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| 00:00.31 | ji1 | dondelelcaro: plz check http://jindal.pastebin.ca/329717 |
| 00:00.31 | karsten | EvilDin: Write a script to do that. Call it from cron. |
| 00:00.56 | mortal5 | if I tell fstab to mount my ext3 partitions as ext2, do you think that would work? |
| 00:01.15 | mortal5 | or does linux do something special when mounting the root fs? |
| 00:01.18 | EvilDin | am how i can i write shell scipt that will read this that get from order iptables -nvL |
| 00:01.27 | jelly | zoddan: you didn't provide that information before... so as long as you're using your unnecessary root services at home, in a separate VLAN, not accessible by any other exploitable machine, I guess you're ok. |
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| 00:01.51 | zoddan | mmm |
| 00:01.53 | simontol | hi I'm a newbie |
| 00:02.05 | azeem | hi |
| 00:02.14 | simontol | I whant to setup a Debian system with KDE |
| 00:02.27 | abrotman | aptitude install kdm kde x-window-system |
| 00:02.28 | simontol | wich CD do I have to download? |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | simontol: do you have broadband ? |
| 00:02.50 | simontol | Yes |
| 00:02.53 | abrotman | !d-i simontol |
| 00:02.54 | dpkg | simontol, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 00:03.16 | Shadowcat | wlan is evil mmmk |
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| 00:03.30 | jelly | Shadowcat: who cares about wlan. |
| 00:03.35 | myren_ | how do i lookup the MX record for a server? |
| 00:03.44 | zoddan | Shadowcat: not wlan.... but vlan |
| 00:03.45 | myren_ | i dont know how to do arbitrary DNS queries like that |
| 00:03.52 | abrotman | man dig |
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| 00:03.55 | Miesco | myren_: dig -q mx SERVER |
| 00:03.57 | simontol | abrotman : I haven't a base installation |
| 00:03.57 | zoddan | Shadowcat: not the same thing |
| 00:04.14 | zoddan | jelly: my 24P switch have vlan :P |
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| 00:04.17 | Miesco | How do I set up my sensible-browser? |
| 00:04.22 | Arafangion | How do I modify the margins for my printer? I have a Lexmark E230 and the pages come out slightly rotated (and offset) |
| 00:04.28 | abrotman | simontol: the netinst will give you that |
| 00:04.53 | Arafangion | (Using CUPS) |
| 00:05.05 | jelly | zoddan: have fun configuring 802.1q and access lists :-P |
| 00:05.14 | myren_ | Miesco: invalid /win close |
| 00:05.16 | simontol | Do netinst have PPP support? |
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| 00:05.26 | abrotman | you mean pppoe ? |
| 00:05.43 | simontol | no PPP I have HSDPA modem |
| 00:05.48 | jelly | dialup. |
| 00:05.56 | jelly | basically. |
| 00:06.01 | abrotman | yes it's there |
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| 00:06.13 | Miesco | How do I set up my sensible browser? |
| 00:06.18 | robin_sz | ahh thats better ... firefox has its logo back |
| 00:06.19 | simontol | I'll try |
| 00:06.26 | simontol | thanks |
| 00:06.27 | abrotman | Miesco: in what sense ? gnome or what ? |
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| 00:06.37 | azeem | Miesco: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 00:06.45 | jelly | simontol: IF the kernel has the correct driver for your card... and if the card doesn't need any additional setup to work |
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| 00:07.04 | jelly | simontol: like entering a PIN |
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| 00:07.31 | zoddan | jelly: ye |
| 00:07.53 | simontol | I think it's better if I already have a more complete CD |
| 00:08.18 | zoddan | jelly: http://lurix.net/bilder/index.php?dir=%2FDatorer%2Fswitch |
| 00:08.18 | jelly | simontol: which card do you have? |
| 00:08.19 | simontol | Is there a possibility to do an offline installation? |
| 00:08.38 | simontol | Option Globetrotter Icon |
| 00:09.17 | jelly | simontol: Vodatel/vodafone? |
| 00:09.35 | simontol | I have to use a script to switch from usb-storage to modem |
| 00:09.40 | simontol | Yes Vodafone |
| 00:09.50 | jelly | hmm |
| 00:10.13 | simontol | I'm using it now with Ubuntu |
| 00:10.34 | jelly | simontol: right... how do you enter the PIN in ubuntu? |
| 00:10.57 | simontol | I have disbled pin request with Windows |
| 00:11.15 | simontol | So I don't need to enter the pin |
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| 00:12.28 | jelly | how does one see if a xxx-module-2.6.yy is present on the installer CD? |
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| 00:12.42 | simontol | I use a ppp chat script and "pon" command |
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| 00:13.11 | simontol | Is there a possibility to do an offline installation of Debian Sid? |
| 00:13.14 | jm|laptop | jelly: just mount it and `find` |
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| 00:13.29 | abrotman | simontol: there are CDs/DVDs for etch |
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| 00:13.33 | thug | is there any autoremove for apt available ? like when removing packages all the time .. after a while i can run apt-get autoremove and i get rid of all the unneeded packages ... depends from the removed packages .. ? |
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| 00:13.54 | simontol | I can't figure out wich one to choose... |
| 00:13.58 | sid | simontol: sid and etch are basically the same right now. so you might as well use etch if you're offline |
| 00:14.12 | abrotman | he should just use etch .. |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | thug: use aptitude |
| 00:14.54 | thug | ok |
| 00:15.12 | simontol | There are 22 CDs + kde and xfce CDs |
| 00:15.30 | abrotman | yep .. a lot of stuff |
| 00:15.52 | azeem | simontol: get the first or maybe the first two |
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| 00:16.36 | jelly | simontol: what jm|laptop said above, if there's a "nozomi" driver available on the cd, you should be able to load it during the installation and use your HSDPA card. |
| 00:16.37 | simontol | is thi enough for basesystem w/Kde? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 00:16.53 | simontol | jelly : I don't need nozomi |
| 00:16.59 | craigevil | yes that install a working KDE desktop |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | simontol: yes .. a base KDE system .. you might need more stuff form the internet later |
| 00:17.10 | simontol | I'm using option driver |
| 00:17.28 | simontol | abrotman : Yes is what I need |
| 00:17.32 | simontol | Thanks |
| 00:17.42 | jelly | simontol: uh, that's not in Debian afaict. |
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| 00:17.56 | killfill | hey |
| 00:18.02 | killfill | anyone happend to use getmail? |
| 00:18.11 | jelly | simontol: best to do the kde installation then |
| 00:18.36 | simontol | jelly : "option" driver is in the official 2.6 kernel tree |
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| 00:19.04 | simontol | so I think is in the Debian kernel too like |
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| 00:19.47 | simontol | I have to go |
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| 00:19.55 | simontol | Thanks to all |
| 00:19.59 | simontol | Bye |
| 00:20.05 | killfill | canont make it download mails from multiple acounts.. |
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| 00:20.34 | bcstv | how do I set Debian up to see network shares? |
| 00:20.46 | sid | !tell bcstv about samba |
| 00:21.01 | valdyn | !samba |
| 00:21.01 | dpkg | it has been said that samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 00:21.54 | valdyn | bcstv: using which desktop environment? |
| 00:22.05 | bcstv | Thanks sid I have samba smbclient smbfs etc |
| 00:22.25 | valdyn | bcstv: you don't need 'samba' for this. |
| 00:22.26 | bcstv | gnome |
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| 00:23.10 | N0S3 | hello i need , i proxy https and ftp with bandwidth limitation, that they recommend to me? , some package in special? |
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| 00:23.52 | bcstv | I am running 64studio based on debian |
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| 00:24.05 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 00:24.05 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 00:24.06 | abrotman | ask them for help |
| 00:24.12 | jm|laptop | Bulldog :/ |
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| 00:24.21 | thug | jm|laptop ? |
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| 00:24.39 | jm|laptop | thug: they still owe me money |
| 00:24.44 | jm|laptop | thug: left them for Zen - Yay! |
| 00:24.53 | thug | :)) |
| 00:24.57 | grendal_prime | hey we got this werid box here...says the mem is 90% ustilized, however, there are no processes running..and...whats a good app that we can run to see what is using what in memory? |
| 00:25.05 | valdyn | bcstv: nautilus sees windows shares. Click 'Computer' on your Desktop, then 'Network' in that window |
| 00:25.38 | valdyn | grendal_prime: top, Shift-M to sort be memory usage |
| 00:25.46 | valdyn | s/be/by/ |
| 00:26.05 | bcstv | valdyn: thats the problem nautilus does not show the shares. |
| 00:26.27 | abrotman | doesn't studio64 have their own channel ? |
| 00:26.34 | bcstv | just get a blank screen |
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| 00:27.01 | bcstv | it is probably a distribution related problem as others here have stated |
| 00:27.22 | valdyn | bcstv: if that is the case, we can't help you, as you are not using debian |
| 00:27.51 | jm|laptop | thug: connection issues? ;) |
| 00:28.53 | manuhack | when apt-get install something, it returns Depends ... something ... but it is not going to be installed, why would this happen? |
| 00:28.58 | thug | jm|laptop nope i was trying some spelling and need to restart xchat to take effect ;) |
| 00:29.13 | jm|laptop | thug: is it working now? |
| 00:29.20 | thug | yes |
| 00:29.25 | jm|laptop | aspell-en ? |
| 00:29.34 | thug | thats right |
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| 00:30.08 | thug | streamtuner its cool |
| 00:30.09 | jm|laptop | oresum |
| 00:30.34 | thug | but why im not able to record with it ? |
| 00:31.18 | bcstv | Thanks anyway |
| 00:31.30 | thug | does anyone know how to record stream with streamtuner ? |
| 00:31.39 | jm|laptop | not me |
| 00:31.49 | jm|laptop | mplayer/mencoder suit most of my needs |
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| 00:32.11 | thug | ok |
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| 00:32.36 | N0S3 | some can help me? |
| 00:32.40 | jm|laptop | there are crazy rpm streamers/recorders in apt, too |
| 00:32.59 | N0S3 | i proxy https and ftp with bandwidth limitation, that they recommend to me? |
| 00:33.07 | thug | i have a look |
| 00:33.09 | Arafangion | jm|laptop: rpm? Never! |
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| 00:33.10 | abrotman | bcstv: maybe try #linuxaudio |
| 00:33.25 | lunaphyte | sometimes i just don't get package dependencies. wtf would nagios need lprng? |
| 00:33.26 | jm|laptop | Arafangion: not roothat :P |
| 00:33.40 | jm|laptop | Wheelplayer Media |
| 00:33.44 | victori_ | besides adding http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib is there anything more I can add for a larger pool of software? |
| 00:33.47 | abrotman | bcstv: though i'm not sure it's the real linuxaudio channel |
| 00:33.52 | victori_ | I am missing out on freevo, pyxml etc |
| 00:33.54 | abrotman | victori_: adding it to what ? |
| 00:33.59 | victori_ | to sources.list |
| 00:34.01 | stoned | hey |
| 00:34.03 | azeem | victori_: python-xml |
| 00:34.04 | stoned | is this freenode? |
| 00:34.04 | abrotman | for which version of debian ? |
| 00:34.16 | lunaphyte | abrotman: thanks for the clues, btw. |
| 00:34.19 | victori_ | azeem: ah thanks |
| 00:34.21 | victori_ | unstable |
| 00:34.23 | stoned | oh nm, my statusbar was wierd |
| 00:34.25 | abrotman | lunaphyte: get it figured out ? |
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| 00:34.26 | stoned | it is freenode |
| 00:34.26 | victori_ | sid or go home ;-) |
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| 00:34.55 | valdyn | lunaphyte: does it? |
| 00:35.07 | azeem | victori_: we don't advise to install 3rd party packages |
| 00:35.18 | tictac | is there a way to use udev and hotplug together? |
| 00:35.21 | victori_ | and that is fine, I know what I am doing |
| 00:35.24 | bcstv | Thanks abrotman! I will check there! I thought that the network share in nautilus would work out of the box like other distributions |
| 00:35.25 | tictac | im running etch. |
| 00:35.35 | valdyn | tictac: nope |
| 00:35.45 | jm|laptop | tictac: TURNCOAT! |
| 00:35.59 | tictac | hmm. i need hotplug for my wifi card and udev for the kernel. |
| 00:36.06 | jm|laptop | (I'm only in here to catch you turncoats) |
| 00:36.08 | valdyn | tictac: udev includes hotplug functionality, the hotplug package is only for people who insist that they do not want udev functionality |
| 00:36.10 | sid | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch ; 150 etch rc bugs! the number keeps going up. heh. How long has etch been frozen? |
| 00:36.12 | lunaphyte | abrotman: sort of. each script appeared to run successfully when done manually before adding set -x. so i'm not sure what "magic" happened when i wasn't looking. ;) |
| 00:36.24 | sid | etch has been frozen about a month right? |
| 00:36.25 | victori_ | has anyone streamed X11 fullscreen with opengl over 100mbit lan? work ok? |
| 00:36.53 | tictac | valdyn: well can udev load firmware suchas the one for intel 2100 mpci-cards? |
| 00:37.03 | valdyn | tictac: yes |
| 00:37.12 | tictac | oh. well alright. ill just figure that out then. |
| 00:37.14 | tictac | thanks. :) |
| 00:37.18 | azeem | victori_: it works better than software rendering, I guess |
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| 00:37.40 | lunaphyte | valdyn: indirectly, not that i look closer. nagios common requires lsb-core, which requires lprng. |
| 00:37.43 | twobitsp3ite | hmm... so many linux hardware compatability sites that all seem so newbish... any suggestions for where I would find the most complete list of supported network adaptors? |
| 00:37.44 | lunaphyte | *now |
| 00:37.56 | valdyn | lunaphyte: no |
| 00:38.07 | lunaphyte | sorry? |
| 00:38.12 | stoned | hey |
| 00:38.20 | stoned | I came across this linux hcl type test |
| 00:38.23 | valdyn | lunaphyte: lprng | cupsys-client is the depend |
| 00:38.25 | stoned | is on kenshi muto's website |
| 00:38.27 | eldowan | Was thunderbird changed to icedove with the whole firefox fiasco? |
| 00:38.27 | stoned | kmuto.jp |
| 00:38.36 | twobitsprite | noone? |
| 00:38.40 | stoned | it required you paste the output of lspci to it |
| 00:38.42 | tictac | eldowan: yep. guessing so. |
| 00:38.45 | stoned | I don't know it works, I didn't use it |
| 00:38.53 | lunaphyte | valdyn: i don't have package cupsys-client |
| 00:39.22 | abrotman | !tell stoned about which driver |
| 00:39.37 | stoned | abrotman: yeh I just said it |
| 00:40.01 | abrotman | stoned: right .. we already knew :) |
| 00:40.08 | stoned | abrotman: I did not know that |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | stoned: or /msg dpkg hcl :) |
| 00:40.19 | stoned | word |
| 00:40.21 | stoned | thanks man |
| 00:41.00 | stoned | kmuto == DD? |
| 00:41.12 | abrotman | he is |
| 00:41.18 | stoned | thats what I thought |
| 00:41.33 | war | What is a good PHP upload/download script w/ password authentication +SSL? |
| 00:41.37 | karsten | Anyone know how to get detailed process reporting from sar (or related utilities)? |
| 00:41.40 | eldowan | stoned: that hcl list displayed all the correct information about my system :D |
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| 00:41.48 | stoned | eldowan: course it did |
| 00:42.02 | abrotman | i wish kmuto would update it to use the 2.6.18 pcimap |
| 00:42.05 | eldowan | stoned: Yeah, it *IS* Debian, after all. |
| 00:42.09 | karsten | war: "good", "PHP", password auth, and SSL. One sentence. ENOSENSE. |
| 00:42.14 | stoned | :) |
| 00:42.33 | stoned | karsten: eh? |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | war: ask #php |
| 00:42.51 | karsten | stoned: eh what? |
| 00:42.52 | stoned | ENOSENSE? |
| 00:42.59 | stoned | I've never heard that word before |
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| 00:43.11 | karsten | stoned: Get used to it. |
| 00:43.18 | dendrite | stoned: As in ECRAZY |
| 00:43.26 | rahul | or EWTF |
| 00:43.33 | stoned | ok... |
| 00:43.35 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:43.36 | karsten | stoned: Local car spotted with a license plate: ENOTTY |
| 00:43.40 | stoned | ya'll are weird :) |
| 00:43.43 | karsten | !win rahul |
| 00:43.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, rahul! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:43.48 | karsten | stoned: ENONORMAL |
| 00:43.54 | stoned | EMO normal |
| 00:43.55 | stoned | lol |
| 00:44.05 | dendrite | !console rahul |
| 00:44.07 | rahul | ENOSMELLINGSALTS |
| 00:44.19 | stoned | or my socks |
| 00:44.21 | stoned | same diff. |
| 00:44.34 | rahul | no, opposite effect :) |
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| 00:44.42 | stoned | thas why i said same diff. |
| 00:44.44 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:44.46 | stoned | OT |
| 00:44.53 | rahul | HEH |
| 00:44.58 | x_link | Hi |
| 00:45.06 | x_link | opps wrong channel |
| 00:45.16 | x_link | no right channel |
| 00:45.17 | rahul | yeah, you don't say hi on this channel |
| 00:45.28 | x_link | I want to upgrade my KDE 3.5.5 to KDE 3.5.6. |
| 00:45.38 | rahul | x_link: man aptitude |
| 00:45.41 | x_link | I just did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:45.42 | stoned | omg! |
| 00:45.47 | stoned | I just read man appetite |
| 00:45.47 | stoned | lol |
| 00:45.49 | rahul | if your release has it, get it |
| 00:45.51 | x_link | But that didn't help |
| 00:45.51 | rahul | heh |
| 00:45.55 | rahul | stoned: are you stoned? |
| 00:46.03 | stoned | no, groggy with nyqui |
| 00:46.06 | stoned | sick |
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| 00:46.08 | rahul | x_link: then your release doesn't have it |
| 00:46.13 | rahul | heh |
| 00:46.17 | rahul | stoned: same effect :P |
| 00:46.19 | x_link | rahul: is it cause of my repo or? |
| 00:46.29 | eldowan | stoned: are you *still* sick? |
| 00:46.30 | stoned | there will be tons of UA in houston for work. I must clean my system. |
| 00:46.36 | rahul | x_link: it's because you release doesn't have it |
| 00:46.42 | x_link | Okey. |
| 00:46.45 | stoned | eldowan: oh no, I had some stuff last night just like I did a week ago |
| 00:46.51 | x_link | rahul: Thanks alot for your help, I appreciate it! |
| 00:46.53 | stoned | eldowan: its a pattern, my neighbour |
| 00:46.59 | stoned | his payday is thursdays |
| 00:47.04 | eldowan | stoned: just after you said 'never again'? hehhhh :D |
| 00:47.13 | stoned | like I said he comes over here an parties with me, cuz he had kids and a wife |
| 00:47.19 | stoned | has* |
| 00:47.43 | stoned | eldowan: yeh, no more. I'm done. I swear. |
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| 00:47.49 | rahul | and then you make sweet love and get the clap from him? |
| 00:47.50 | mystic_touch | Hello :) |
| 00:48.02 | rahul | !botsex stoned |
| 00:48.05 | eldowan | stoned: sure :D |
| 00:48.10 | twobitsprite | so, does anyone here have a pci wireless adaptor in their box? |
| 00:48.39 | rahul | twobitsprite: no |
| 00:49.23 | twobitsprite | I can't seem to find any wireless cards that are both listed on any of the h/w support sites and available on tigerdirect/etc |
| 00:50.17 | sid | twobitsprite: usb? minipci? pcmcia? |
| 00:50.38 | twobitsprite | pci.. |
| 00:50.48 | sid | twobitsprite: For a desktop? |
| 00:50.50 | twobitsprite | i.e. for my desktop |
| 00:50.51 | twobitsprite | yeah |
| 00:50.57 | twobitsprite | I'm gonna turn it into a gateway |
| 00:51.10 | sid | twobitsprite: 802.11 a/b/g? |
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| 00:51.21 | twobitsprite | I'm tired of dealing with shitty wireless routers (a la mine) and good ones are expensive |
| 00:51.27 | stoned | I was reading earlier, about 802.11 N |
| 00:51.29 | twobitsprite | sid: b, g or both |
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| 00:51.40 | stoned | seems pretty good |
| 00:51.58 | stoned | linux support, I dunno |
| 00:53.42 | lunaphyte | why might libapache2-mod-php5 insist it must have apache2-mpm-prefork, rather than apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 00:53.42 | sid | twobitsprite: http://www.pricewatch.com/networking/wireless_pci.htm |
| 00:54.09 | stoned | !win sid |
| 00:54.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, sid! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:54.19 | sid | twobitsprite: Compare the card model # to this website: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ to find out the chipset(the most important part) |
| 00:54.48 | sid | twobitsprite: Realtek, Atmel, RALink are all awesome chipset makers that give documentation to the free software community so they're very well supported. |
| 00:54.48 | twobitsprite | sid: thanks (all I needed was that second site :) |
| 00:54.58 | stoned | twobitsprite: I always bought from tigerdirect. I recently tried newegg and their prices are lower, shipping is great, service is great, nothing DOA |
| 00:54.59 | twobitsprite | cool, thanks |
| 00:55.12 | twobitsprite | stoned: I'll check them out, thanks |
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| 00:55.19 | sid | Marvell, Broadcom those are horrible chipset makers. |
| 00:55.24 | stoned | ugh |
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| 00:55.27 | stoned | I have a marvell |
| 00:55.31 | sid | They don't give any documentation to us, so basically if you buy their hardware they won't tell you how to use it. |
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| 00:55.57 | sid | ie, memory registers and other documentation for the linux kernel to interface to the chipset |
| 00:55.57 | stoned | sky2 supports marvel as I found out a few days ago |
| 00:55.59 | twobitsprite | sid: I love that... it's great |
| 00:56.00 | stoned | so its not as bad |
| 00:56.06 | stoned | broadcom I dunno about |
| 00:56.41 | stoned | actually 2.6.18 support the marvel card |
| 00:56.44 | stoned | chipset |
| 00:56.58 | stoned | now I have one problem remaining for my motherboard |
| 00:57.14 | stoned | jmicron 363 PATA controller drivers. I tried kmuto's di images with no luck |
| 00:57.24 | stoned | PATA gets detected properly, however upon boot it hangs indefinitely |
| 00:57.38 | sid | twobitsprite: I wouldn't go too cheap, above $20 USD is a safe bet. |
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| 00:58.00 | sid | If it's a gateway you want reliability. |
| 00:58.05 | twobitsprite | sid: yeah? any specific suggestions? I only need coverage over my apt... |
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| 01:02.16 | stoned | I think I'll go buy some hotpockets and powerade |
| 01:02.22 | stoned | must.. procure... nourishment... |
| 01:02.33 | rahul | I'll make your pocket hot |
| 01:02.37 | sid | twobitsprite: http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=MS-6852&c=pw |
| 01:02.40 | stoned | no thanks |
| 01:02.41 | stoned | lol |
| 01:03.10 | stoned | man I can't wait to go back home for mardi gras in louisiana |
| 01:03.14 | sid | twobitsprite: $29.78 with free ups ground; It has the RALink chipset. so it will work out of the box on pretty much any GNU/Linux system within the last few years |
| 01:03.17 | stoned | I haven't had my mom's cooking in almost a year |
| 01:03.33 | rahul | I had your mom for a year |
| 01:03.34 | rahul | I mean |
| 01:03.37 | sid | twobitsprite: It also has bluetooth if you ever want to mess with that, ie have your phone grab e-mail from your gateway or whatever. |
| 01:03.43 | stoned | rahul: no dude. stop |
| 01:03.45 | rahul | heh |
| 01:03.52 | stoned | bluetooth |
| 01:03.53 | twobitsprite | sid: interesting... I've never seen one with a standup antena like that |
| 01:03.54 | stoned | WTF is bluetooth |
| 01:03.59 | stoned | WHY do they call it bluetooth |
| 01:04.04 | stoned | its stupid and it pisses me off |
| 01:04.05 | stoned | :( |
| 01:04.08 | rahul | because it's blue and it's a tooth |
| 01:04.25 | abrotman | why do they call it a mouse ? |
| 01:04.28 | rahul | can't you see the radio waves? |
| 01:04.31 | sid | twobitsprite: Well you can buy antennas and wires and do anything you want. |
| 01:04.43 | stoned | abrotman: it looks like one and usually has a tail |
| 01:04.47 | sid | twobitsprite: If you don't like that antenna you can just get another one and plug it in.(make sure to buy the right connector for it) |
| 01:04.50 | stoned | you hold it backwards and move it around |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | i don't have a mouse at all .. |
| 01:04.53 | twobitsprite | sid: right... I've seens some jerry-rigged stuff like that, but nothing ootb like that |
| 01:04.59 | abrotman | why do they call it a monitor ? |
| 01:05.03 | stoned | abrotman: when I was growing up, I had a macs |
| 01:05.11 | rahul | because it monits |
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| 01:05.20 | stoned | my favorite before a pc was the LC400series 475 powerpc |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | oh yeah .. the great monits! |
| 01:05.26 | rahul | my monitor is moniting me right now |
| 01:05.36 | stoned | abrotman: I had a electronic pad |
| 01:05.39 | stoned | and a pen as a pointing device |
| 01:05.58 | stoned | it was great, kinda like a tablet, but not the system itself |
| 01:06.15 | stoned | you push a button on my pen on the side with a finger to use mouse click |
| 01:06.20 | stoned | macs only need one button |
| 01:06.32 | stoned | it was the greatest thing ever! |
| 01:06.37 | rahul | EVER |
| 01:06.57 | stoned | EVER is used to emphasize the mood |
| 01:07.00 | rahul | ooo |
| 01:07.01 | stoned | ! is used to capture the mood |
| 01:07.03 | rahul | The Dream |
| 01:07.07 | stoned | proper punctuation |
| 01:07.08 | stoned | :D |
| 01:07.11 | rahul | by TBM |
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| 01:08.24 | twobitsprite | rahul: do they have IRC in the astral world? |
| 01:08.33 | rahul | she never did they told her to / they'll never see her dream come true |
| 01:08.40 | rahul | twobitsprite: yes, but it's cooler |
| 01:08.44 | twobitsprite | awesome |
| 01:08.54 | stoned | twobitsprite: I almost went there once.. I was like 16 years old and had this book called The Metaphysical and they tought you how to OOB |
| 01:09.05 | stoned | it was retarded now that I look at it, but I was young.. |
| 01:09.11 | rahul | david bowie gave me an OOB |
| 01:09.38 | rahul | it's very subtle. gotta have your eyes closed, body motionless, and listen to something kinda atmospheric |
| 01:09.46 | rahul | TBM is great for it |
| 01:09.56 | rahul | well, now I can OOB without the music. |
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| 01:10.00 | stoned | I laid on my bed, and did all they said and I could start feeling my whole body tingle but that was about it... then I lost my patience and said to hell with the Astral world |
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| 01:10.06 | rahul | heh |
| 01:10.24 | rahul | music is essential for getting into it, I think |
| 01:10.34 | rahul | kinda mellow, atmospheric stuff |
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| 01:10.52 | stoned | I think anything is possible. We just haven't figure out how |
| 01:10.57 | stoned | yet. |
| 01:11.06 | rahul | nah, there are always rules |
| 01:11.13 | stoned | like what? |
| 01:11.22 | rahul | like basic conservation laws |
| 01:11.25 | stoned | current laws of physics will more than likely be broken |
| 01:11.29 | stoned | when we need new physics |
| 01:11.32 | rahul | not significantly |
| 01:11.36 | stoned | maybe some laws will get changed around |
| 01:11.40 | karsten | stoned: I doubt that. |
| 01:11.47 | stoned | the thing is, we can't percieve beyond perception |
| 01:11.54 | stoned | so most we can speculate about htis |
| 01:12.00 | stoned | is what we know based on what we know |
| 01:12.01 | karsten | stoned: phyysical laws aren't frequently "broken" so much as refined. |
| 01:12.22 | stoned | karsten: like I'm saying.. we don't know |
| 01:12.28 | karsten | BTW: OT. |
| 01:12.29 | stoned | as of right now, yes, sure, you're right |
| 01:12.45 | rahul | stoned: anyway, OOB isn't about physics. it's a separate metal state. |
| 01:12.59 | stoned | rahul: I wasn't talking in context to that |
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| 01:13.56 | stoned | rahul: if you modify your CNS, you can have an alternate reality within the real world |
| 01:14.02 | rahul | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-body_experience |
| 01:14.12 | rahul | yeah, you can get stoned ;) |
| 01:14.16 | karsten | rahul: #debian-offtopic |
| 01:14.42 | rahul | well, I'm done with the topic. I'm sure the article describes it better than I can. :) |
| 01:14.43 | stoned | so about my jmicron 636 controller |
| 01:15.00 | stoned | kmuto's di images fail |
| 01:15.05 | stoned | despite my sincerest efforts |
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| 01:18.22 | rahul | maybe you need to make sarcastic efforts |
| 01:18.30 | lunaphyte | should /etc/hostname contain the fqdn? |
| 01:18.39 | rahul | you know, like a nice slap on the ass can turn a girl on |
| 01:18.48 | thug | its nvidia full supported in linux inst it ? |
| 01:18.50 | karsten | lunaphyte: No. |
| 01:19.03 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 01:19.03 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 01:19.09 | rahul | thug: #nvidia. the drivers are not open source. |
| 01:19.16 | karsten | thug: No. |
| 01:19.17 | rahul | and yeah, don't use their installer. |
| 01:19.26 | lunaphyte | karsten: i can't figure out how my machine got it's head on backwards as to what it's hostname and fqdn are during a dist-upgrade. |
| 01:19.42 | rahul | lunaphyte: /etc/hosts? |
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| 01:19.51 | thug | rahul im going to get me a video card no clue what would be best unde linux :( |
| 01:20.01 | stoned | nvidia |
| 01:20.05 | rahul | thug: don't expect functioning 3d. |
| 01:20.12 | thug | no ? |
| 01:20.13 | rahul | then you'll be good with anything. |
| 01:20.15 | thug | :( |
| 01:20.17 | karsten | lunaphyte: /etc/hostname just defines the local hostname. DNS lookup is defined on the controlling DNS server. |
| 01:20.26 | karsten | lunaphyte: Check /etc/hosts as well, yeah. |
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| 01:21.24 | amphi | thug: see man radeon perhaps, for ati cards fully supported by xorg |
| 01:21.30 | lunaphyte | what do either have to do with telling a machine what it's fqdn is? |
| 01:21.51 | rahul | lunaphyte: /etc/hosts is used in name resolution |
| 01:22.01 | lunaphyte | right - nut not in telling a machine what it's fqdn is. |
| 01:22.05 | lunaphyte | *but |
| 01:22.12 | thug | amphi i heard ati are crap under linux |
| 01:22.13 | rahul | actually, what calls dnsdomainname at startup? |
| 01:22.19 | rahul | I heard my ass is hot |
| 01:22.24 | thug | ati drivers in linux are crap |
| 01:22.35 | rahul | nvidia drivers in linux are crap |
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| 01:22.56 | abrotman | ati/nvidia are crap |
| 01:22.57 | amphi | thug: my old radeon works ok |
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| 01:23.13 | thug | amphi with 3d acceleration ? |
| 01:23.17 | amphi | thug: 3d accel supported by the xorg driver |
| 01:23.18 | jason^ | if i'm upgrading from stable to testing, is there anything special i need to do other than apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | !tell jason^ about sarge->etch |
| 01:23.30 | azeem | jason^: read the release notes |
| 01:23.53 | azeem | amphi: can one still buy those ATI cards? |
| 01:23.55 | amphi | thug: you couldn't accuse the card of being 'modern' though ;) |
| 01:23.56 | h3sp4wn | jason^: make sure it doesn't remove your kernel without installing a new one (may happen if you currently use sarge 2.4) |
| 01:24.16 | mmlj4 | kernels are overrated |
| 01:24.26 | stoned | ? |
| 01:24.26 | amphi | azeem: never looked, but perhaps |
| 01:24.30 | thug | amphi :) |
| 01:24.41 | PingFloyd | mmlj4: some make good popcorn though |
| 01:24.45 | stoned | colonel's chicken is probably overrated |
| 01:24.48 | h3sp4wn | azeem: there is no r200 pci-e cards you can still get agp ones though |
| 01:25.31 | justin | mmlj4: especially on debian when you could delete one and not notice for at least 6 months |
| 01:25.31 | amphi | thug: it runs celestia, stellarium, and googleearth ok |
| 01:25.31 | mmlj4 | bwahaha |
| 01:25.31 | PingFloyd | the colonel would be rolling over in his grave if he saw how KFC is run these days |
| 01:25.35 | thug | amphi googleearth runs on my intel chipset i180 too ... but this built-in graphic aint good |
| 01:25.51 | lunaphyte | this is so weird. why does hostname -d and dnsdomainname think my domain name is 'net'? |
| 01:25.59 | lunaphyte | where does it derive this from? |
| 01:26.09 | amphi | thug: how does it disappoint you? |
| 01:26.35 | thug | amphi 3d acceleration for games ... and i want to get me a nvidia with 512 MB |
| 01:26.44 | thug | amphi this has only up to 64 MB :)) |
| 01:26.50 | stoned | PingFloyd: did you catch the bit about thier short name change from Kentucky Fried Chicken to Kitchen Fresh Chicken OT doh |
| 01:27.07 | amphi | thug: oh, games... get a console ;) |
| 01:27.08 | stoned | thug: why 512 mb |
| 01:27.12 | PingFloyd | stoned: didn't know that |
| 01:27.32 | thug | stoned why not ? the more i have the better it is isnt it ? |
| 01:27.38 | stoned | thug: no games out there really use more than 200MB of texture memory |
| 01:27.39 | thug | better the 64 MB or 256 MB |
| 01:27.49 | azeem | it's also more expensive |
| 01:27.52 | stoned | thug: performance degradation.. |
| 01:27.55 | thug | yeah but still i dont wanna buy another card next year |
| 01:27.56 | stoned | slightly |
| 01:28.04 | stoned | gpu becomes a bottleneck |
| 01:28.07 | thug | 60 £ |
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| 01:28.19 | stoned | and then it also depends on how fast the ram is |
| 01:28.19 | thug | you mean cpu ? |
| 01:28.21 | stoned | clocked |
| 01:28.24 | stoned | no gpu |
| 01:28.26 | shwag | can I delete the contents of /var/log/mysql ? |
| 01:28.28 | thug | ok |
| 01:28.31 | stoned | thug: gpureview.com |
| 01:28.35 | stoned | go there and read stuff |
| 01:28.44 | stoned | research a little before you make your decision |
| 01:29.04 | stoned | plus you have to see if you're getting gddr2 or 3 |
| 01:29.07 | stoned | or just ddr |
| 01:29.19 | stoned | on the card etc. etc. how many shaders, how many pixel pipelines |
| 01:29.25 | thug | ohh you`re telling me now to many things mate |
| 01:29.29 | stoned | depending the the most stressing game you're playing |
| 01:29.41 | stoned | I just bought an ATI X1900XT over Nvidia for my oblivion gaming |
| 01:29.41 | PingFloyd | thug: the idea is deciding on how you want to be fucked in the ass by the proprietary world |
| 01:29.50 | stoned | precicely for the graphics eyecandy factor |
| 01:30.02 | thug | PingFloyd why`s that ? :) |
| 01:30.42 | PingFloyd | thug: not sure, I guess they feel that the hardware business also means being in the software business |
| 01:31.08 | thug | prob. |
| 01:31.21 | thug | nVIDIA GeForce 6200 LE 512MB PCI Express Video Card 512 for only 60 £ |
| 01:31.22 | thug | :)) |
| 01:31.28 | stoned | LE == crap |
| 01:31.33 | PingFloyd | not sure why they do that, but it's a slap in the face for their customers none the less |
| 01:31.43 | stoned | its the equivalent of a celeron compared to a pentium |
| 01:31.47 | thug | stoned is it ? |
| 01:31.51 | stoned | yeh |
| 01:31.52 | stoned | its crap |
| 01:32.01 | karsten | MSFT responds to Apple's "I'm a Mac" ads: http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/imapcandimarmed.jpg |
| 01:32.03 | stoned | don't waste 60 pounds on it |
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| 01:32.14 | thug | AXLE nVidia GeForce 6200TC 512 MB Grafikkarte 6200 PCIe |
| 01:32.18 | thug | what about this ^^ |
| 01:32.21 | stoned | thug: go to #hardware for this stuff |
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| 01:32.52 | thug | ok |
| 01:35.43 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have openvpn which brings up a tun0 device but openvpn starts after shorewall so shorewall crashes when it tryes to load can someone pls help? |
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| 01:41.10 | lunaphyte | where does dnsdomainname get it's information from? |
| 01:41.23 | rahul | that's what I've been wondering |
| 01:41.52 | karsten | rahul: DNS? |
| 01:41.56 | lunaphyte | i can't for the life of my find the string 'net' in any of the "logical" places, yet it insists that what it is. |
| 01:42.14 | rahul | karsten: don't think so |
| 01:42.29 | rahul | mine is blank |
| 01:42.38 | lunaphyte | aha! it does get it from dns :) |
| 01:42.39 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.42 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.45 | rahul | hmm |
| 01:42.53 | lunaphyte | sonofa... |
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| 01:45.14 | lunaphyte | it looks up the ptr record for the machine's address, and grabs the string following the last dot. |
| 01:45.34 | rahul | hrm |
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| 01:45.39 | rahul | not on my box :P |
| 01:46.00 | rahul | oh wait, I'm masq'd |
| 01:46.14 | rahul | and which address would it use? |
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| 01:47.37 | vick | Does debian 'etch' have xgl ? |
| 01:47.42 | abrotman | no .. aiglx |
| 01:47.51 | vick | abrotman: What's that ? |
| 01:47.56 | abrotman | !aiglx |
| 01:47.56 | dpkg | well, aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 01:47.57 | vick | abrotman: something simmilar ? |
| 01:48.26 | vick | abrotman: Does it have cool effects like xgl ? |
| 01:48.34 | abrotman | i believe so .. i don't use it |
| 01:48.40 | vick | Nice. |
| 01:48.49 | vick | so just apt-get install aiglx, and i am set ? |
| 01:48.54 | vick | Worth a try i guess. |
| 01:48.59 | streuner | vick: Do you know what xgl is? |
| 01:49.11 | vick | streuner: Technically, not really. |
| 01:50.00 | vick | streuner: Why ? |
| 01:50.33 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl |
| 01:50.44 | abrotman | vick: so why do you want it ? |
| 01:50.58 | rahul | all the cool kids have it! |
| 01:50.58 | karsten | abrotman: It's Shiny! |
| 01:51.08 | streuner | yeah |
| 01:51.08 | vick | abrotman: Looks modern, i am not going to use it forever i guess. |
| 01:51.23 | vick | I would like to try it out, see what it is capable of. |
| 01:51.31 | abrotman | you don't "see" xgl/aiglx .. you see the window manager that takes advantage of it |
| 01:51.36 | rahul | "modern"? |
| 01:52.18 | streuner | well, more featurefull, i guess |
| 01:52.21 | vick | rahul: Yeah |
| 01:52.22 | rahul | OpenGL is quite old |
| 01:52.27 | PingFloyd | vick: it's capable of novelty |
| 01:52.47 | vick | rahul: How can i have simmiliar effects with something that is new ? |
| 01:52.59 | rahul | vick: do you know what effects you want? |
| 01:53.01 | vick | abrotman: What do you mean ? |
| 01:53.09 | stoned | what is #debian-overflow |
| 01:53.15 | streuner | rahul: you know that pretty sure :-) |
| 01:53.23 | abrotman | stoned: where you go when too many people have joined here in too short of a time |
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| 01:53.25 | abrotman | roughly |
| 01:53.32 | vick | rahul: Yeah, something like the turn when you switch tab |
| 01:53.36 | streuner | stoned: well, in case of flooding, people joins there... |
| 01:53.42 | rahul | vick: huh? |
| 01:53.46 | rahul | tab? |
| 01:53.53 | stoned | abrotman: #debian(+JLPcflnt 10,3 #debian-overflow 693) |
| 01:53.53 | rahul | turn what? |
| 01:53.56 | streuner | stoned: the whole thing is explained (irc-server) at freenode.net |
| 01:54.01 | stoned | this is what irssi constantly shows in my statusbar |
| 01:54.09 | rahul | tabs aren't windows. |
| 01:54.09 | stoned | where are we? |
| 01:54.11 | abrotman | stoned: yeah .. |
| 01:54.17 | vick | rahul: Have you seen it before ? |
| 01:54.17 | rahul | streuner: over there ---> |
| 01:54.20 | stoned | are we in #debian? |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:54.23 | rahul | vick: have I see what before? |
| 01:54.26 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:54.29 | streuner | stoned: YES :-) |
| 01:54.35 | vick | rahul: xgl ? |
| 01:54.37 | stoned | ok ok I blieve you |
| 01:54.37 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:54.44 | rahul | vick: it's a library |
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| 01:54.52 | streuner | stoned: no, you are actually in matrix :-P |
| 01:54.53 | rahul | vick: what's there to see in a library? |
| 01:55.20 | vick | rahul: Aside from being technical when you clearly understand what i am refering to. |
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| 01:55.38 | streuner | stoned: well, debhelper kicks you out in #debian-overflow, so just wait 5 minutes ;-) |
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| 01:55.42 | vick | rahul: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cb/Compiz_quinn_09-14-2006.png/180px-Compiz_quinn_09-14-2006.png |
| 01:55.43 | rahul | vick: there is nothing to SEE |
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| 01:55.53 | rahul | it does nothing without something else doing it |
| 01:56.08 | rahul | vick: so now you say you're talking about compiz |
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| 01:56.17 | streuner | vick: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | streuner: he's not in there .. but it's in the channel status in his irrsi .. that's why he's asking |
| 01:56.21 | rahul | vick: what do you think a WM will do with tabs? |
| 01:56.26 | stoned | streuner: technically this is a matrix of sorts. How do we know what we percieve is actual reality? Substances alter it. Who can say people not on drugs are under a mass delusion of sorts |
| 01:56.28 | streuner | abrotman: i know |
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| 01:56.29 | JohnQ | I'm setting up my masqing firewall. My external net is configured by DHCP... does anyone have a decent script I can use to start from? |
| 01:56.30 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 01:56.33 | vick | rahul: compiz, can it work on Xorg ? |
| 01:56.42 | stoned | abrotman: you are correct |
| 01:56.48 | stoned | abrotman: why does irssi shows this? |
| 01:56.54 | rahul | vick: you could ask the bot |
| 01:57.00 | rahul | or just look in debian, ffs |
| 01:57.06 | streuner | stoned: because that's the parameter it told you |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | stoned: when there are join floods .. you go to #debian-overflow |
| 01:57.17 | streuner | stoned: getting from irc-server |
| 01:57.21 | vick | rahul: i don't think so. |
| 01:57.24 | stoned | streuner: I see |
| 01:57.33 | vick | rahul: i am unfammiliar with the bot syntax. |
| 01:57.37 | cougar` | Hello all, I need some BASH Scripting help... I got a variable declared as Temp="One Two Three" and I have a for loop which says for i in Temp; do ... done - Probem is, I don't know why this is working. Temp is not declared as an array. |
| 01:57.41 | rahul | vick: just msg it the string you want to know about |
| 01:57.48 | streuner | stoned: we told you before, there is at freenode.net a nice explantation ;-) |
| 01:57.48 | rahul | there is no syntax needed for basic stuff |
| 01:57.50 | stoned | so if I part and the join again I will not get this |
| 01:57.51 | vick | cougar`: Clearly that's not the place |
| 01:58.00 | stoned | streuner: I must have missed it |
| 01:58.11 | streuner | stoned: well, abrotman too :-) |
| 01:58.18 | cougar` | vick: Not the place? Please explain... |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | cougar`: try #bash |
| 01:58.24 | cougar` | okay. |
| 01:58.25 | vick | rahul: extra, extra, read all about it, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 01:58.37 | vick | rahul: that's what i mean |
| 01:58.44 | vick | anyway i got to go |
| 01:58.47 | rahul | ... |
| 01:58.49 | vick | Thanks all. |
| 01:59.05 | vick | rahul: *it can only run on xgl and aiglx" |
| 01:59.15 | rahul | vick: and? |
| 01:59.26 | vick | rahul: There is no and to it ? |
| 01:59.31 | stoned | it can only? |
| 01:59.36 | stoned | I never read that |
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| 01:59.44 | rahul | vick: so use it, wtf. |
| 01:59.45 | stoned | it says it runs on |
| 01:59.45 | karsten | cougar`: Briefly: the expanded variable is parsed as four words, defined by IFS, defaulting to any whitespace (sapce, tab, newline). |
| 01:59.46 | vick | rahul: To get compiz running, you have to have xgl or aiglx |
| 01:59.52 | rahul | vick: so what's the problem? |
| 01:59.57 | karsten | cougar`: man bash. |
| 02:00.00 | stoned | only |
| 02:00.06 | shwag | how can I display the uptime for all my users when the login. motd doesnt do it, and .login only works on a per users basis. |
| 02:00.08 | vick | rahul: nevermind |
| 02:00.22 | rahul | Just Do It. |
| 02:00.29 | vick | just do what ? |
| 02:00.47 | cougar` | karsten: Okay I will, I'm trying to create a script for help with Moblock, I'm not a BASH programmer |
| 02:00.56 | rahul | whatever the hell you're trying to do. how am I supposed to figure out what you're trying to accomplish here? |
| 02:00.57 | stoned | shwag: that is a good question |
| 02:01.07 | vick | rahul: i want to get compiz running |
| 02:01.09 | stoned | I should find that out |
| 02:01.10 | streuner | rahul: he want compiz or beryl |
| 02:01.12 | rahul | vick: so install it! |
| 02:01.13 | vick | rahul: Can i do it on xorg ? |
| 02:01.24 | vick | rahul: Dont i need aiglx first ? |
| 02:01.57 | rahul | ... |
| 02:02.02 | streuner | vick: its part of X |
| 02:02.03 | rahul | !aiglx |
| 02:02.03 | dpkg | somebody said aiglx was an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. ... |
| 02:02.14 | streuner | vick: we asked you before... |
| 02:02.15 | streuner | vick: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:02.29 | vick | streuner: sorry, i'm not on debian now. |
| 02:02.38 | rahul | vick: what part of "X.org" drivers did you not understand? |
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| 02:02.45 | adrakoa | hi |
| 02:03.10 | vick | rahul: You clearly have way too much time, I MUST GET AIGLX INSTALLED FIRST |
| 02:03.13 | vick | now i have to go |
| 02:03.14 | vick | laterz |
| 02:03.15 | streuner | vick: the driver MUST support 'GLX' |
| 02:03.16 | karsten | cougar`: Spend some time in #bash and/or buy yourself a decent scripting book. |
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| 02:03.33 | streuner | vick: if you running NVIDIA, for example 'nv' won't work... |
| 02:03.34 | lunaphyte | karsten, rahul: thanks for indulging my grumblings. :) |
| 02:04.13 | streuner | vick: so make sure the driver supports in any case 'GLX' otherwise you don't have much fun with compiz or beryl |
| 02:04.37 | rahul | all drivers support glx |
| 02:04.50 | rahul | it's accelerated glx that he needs |
| 02:04.58 | streuner | vick: compiz is part of debian, but not in all releases, beryl (/msg dpkg beryl) is non-official... |
| 02:05.13 | rahul | he's gone |
| 02:05.23 | rahul | ssh :) |
| 02:05.25 | karsten | cougar`: don't privmsg |
| 02:05.27 | streuner | rahul: 'nv' doesn't support GLX |
| 02:05.33 | rahul | streuner: sure it does. |
| 02:06.04 | rahul | GLX needs no support from the driver, in fact. |
| 02:06.06 | streuner | so wth nobody denies my statements so far? :-) |
| 02:06.30 | shwag | stoned: /etc/profile was the answer |
| 02:07.08 | stoned | shwag |
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| 02:10.40 | streuner | oh, time to install compiz or beryl :-) |
| 02:10.41 | adrakoa | fbpanel is cool |
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| 02:11.19 | streuner | some distros wait till those stuff is ready... |
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| 02:11.33 | streuner | it seems everyone wants this... |
| 02:11.47 | madd_matt | The nvidia debian guy has nvidia 9631 for sid, can I install that on etch? |
| 02:12.02 | adrakoa | madd_matt: yes |
| 02:12.23 | abrotman | madd_matt: you can try! :) |
| 02:12.39 | azeem | !info nvidia-glx unstable |
| 02:12.46 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (sid), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 02:13.04 | h3sp4wn | 9631 is only on snapshot.debian.net (was in experimental a while ago) |
| 02:13.10 | streuner | yes, azeem ist right... |
| 02:13.38 | streuner | oh |
| 02:13.43 | karsten | Is there a tool that logs all processes invoked, time, and user? |
| 02:13.59 | madd_matt | The only drivers that work with my card are the 96** series of drivers -- earlier drivers have problems with my motherboard, older ones have dropped support for my card. |
| 02:14.16 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx experimental |
| 02:14.18 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9746-2 (experimental), Packaged size: 4103 kB, Installed size: 13048 kB |
| 02:14.21 | h3sp4wn | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/12/08/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/ |
| 02:14.24 | abrotman | karsten: process accounting maybe ? |
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| 02:14.41 | karsten | abrotman: Googling. Found an LJ article and HOWTO. |
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| 02:14.45 | karsten | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6144 |
| 02:14.51 | karsten | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Process-Accounting/index.html |
| 02:15.00 | karsten | 2001. May be stale. |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | karsten: it might .. not sure |
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| 02:15.33 | karsten | Ah... Acct, not sar. |
| 02:15.50 | h3sp4wn | madd_matt: do you need 9631 because the card is no longer supported by 9746 ? |
| 02:15.54 | GeorgeS069 | is there a good How-To for getting wireless networking and WPA working? I installed etch on my laptop and wireless is the only thing that doesn't work |
| 02:15.58 | madd_matt | h3sp4wn, yes. |
| 02:16.25 | deb_noob | can anyone help me with a problem? my computer keeps powering off |
| 02:16.40 | madd_matt | h3sp4wn, and there was a bug in previous drivers that prevented my hardware from working, so I am limited to 96** series drivesr. |
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| 02:17.10 | adrakoa | when a package go from experimental to unstables? |
| 02:17.27 | h3sp4wn | often never |
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| 02:17.43 | karsten | deb_noob: When? Doing what? |
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| 02:17.49 | karsten | deb_noob: ... how often? |
| 02:17.58 | karsten | deb_noob: ... and what sort of system? Laptop? Server? Dekstop? |
| 02:18.07 | karsten | s/ks/sk/ |
| 02:18.19 | adrakoa | h3sp4wn: debian-mentors accepts package there? |
| 02:18.24 | deb_noob | desktop system |
| 02:18.32 | deb_noob | it happens about twice a day |
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| 02:18.38 | deb_noob | some days it doesn't happen |
| 02:18.42 | karsten | deb_noob: Same time of day? Different? |
| 02:18.51 | deb_noob | different |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | karsten: the 'acct' package won't do it ? |
| 02:19.10 | karsten | deb_noob: Check /var/log/messages, /var/log/syslog for any system messages around that time. |
| 02:19.15 | karsten | abrotman: That's it. Investigating. |
| 02:19.41 | karsten | abrotman: 'ac' and 'sa' output options are ... dense. |
| 02:20.02 | h3sp4wn | adrakoa: If it fits the criteria presumably - but someone else couldn't be maintaining the same app in unstable for example |
| 02:20.03 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:21.50 | Miesco_ | abrotman: What do you use to play music? |
| 02:22.09 | abrotman | Miesco: again with the polls! |
| 02:22.18 | GeorgeS069 | his guitar |
| 02:22.25 | abrotman | one of them anyways :) |
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| 02:22.38 | abrotman | Miesco: xmms or quod libet i guess |
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| 02:22.47 | adrakoa | h3sp4wn: it's good logic, thx |
| 02:22.48 | Miesco | What kind of guitar? |
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| 02:22.54 | abrotman | i have four guitars |
| 02:23.22 | GeorgeS069 | it's a mean guitar :) |
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| 02:23.41 | deb_noob | karsten, i'm not finding anything for around that time saying anything about shutdown |
| 02:23.58 | deb_noob | Jan 26 20:17:01 smith /USR/SBIN/CRON[3873]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 02:24.02 | karsten | deb_noob: That's not what you're looking for. |
| 02:24.12 | deb_noob | thats the only thing i can find around that time |
| 02:24.15 | karsten | deb_noob: ... you're looking for anything at about that time. Consistently. |
| 02:24.23 | deb_noob | okay than this is it... |
| 02:24.26 | deb_noob | Jan 26 20:17:01 smith /USR/SBIN/CRON[3873]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
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| 02:24.51 | Miesco | abrotman: What kinds of guitars |
| 02:25.00 | karsten | deb_noob: Could be hardware flakiness. I've got a laptop with a wiring fault that's exercised if I hold it just write (or wrong). |
| 02:25.10 | karsten | deb_noob: ... and occasionally just spontaneously. |
| 02:25.12 | abrotman | a classical, an electric, regular six string acoustic, and a 12 string acoustic |
| 02:25.19 | karsten | deb_noob: Random issues are frequently hardware. |
| 02:25.23 | karsten | abrotman: #debian-offtopic |
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| 02:25.34 | abrotman | karsten: i'll just get banned from there too! |
| 02:25.47 | Miesco | abrotman: You play classical? |
| 02:25.54 | deb_noob | karsten: this does not happen in windows |
| 02:26.06 | vick | Hello, i tried apt-get install aiglx and i got 'package csm needs to be reinstalled, but i cant find any archive for it' |
| 02:26.23 | abrotman | Miesco: i have one .. i play it |
| 02:26.24 | deb_noob | karsten: which hardware would you say is causing it? |
| 02:26.30 | karsten | deb_noob: is acpi configured? Try: 'acpi=off' as a boot option. |
| 02:26.34 | karsten | abrotman: Not my problem ;-) |
| 02:26.35 | abrotman | vick: apt-get update |
| 02:26.38 | abrotman | karsten: hehe |
| 02:26.39 | karsten | Miesco: Off-topic. |
| 02:26.45 | deb_noob | karsten in which file? |
| 02:26.47 | abrotman | karsten: don't send anymore! |
| 02:26.48 | vick | abrotman: tried it. |
| 02:26.53 | deb_noob | i have noapic in kernel option |
| 02:27.00 | Miesco | abrotman: I have 4 also |
| 02:27.03 | karsten | deb_noob: grub/lilo configuration. cat /proc/cmdline for current value. Paste (it's just one line). |
| 02:27.10 | cast | uh, mind my engrish. |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | cast: you've never been there! |
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| 02:27.24 | karsten | cast: denrada. |
| 02:27.37 | deb_noob | karsten: wait, i'm lost, where do i set this? |
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| 02:27.50 | karsten | deb_noob: In your bootloader. Which is grub or lilo. Do the math. |
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| 02:28.08 | karsten | deb_noob: Probably /boot/grub/menu.lst if that file exists, kernel line. |
| 02:28.10 | deb_noob | so on system bootup? |
| 02:28.14 | concept10 | abrotman, have you been to sleep lately ? |
| 02:28.20 | vick | abrotman: when i opened synaptic i got the same message and internal error opening cache |
| 02:28.24 | karsten | !acpi |
| 02:28.24 | dpkg | [acpi] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 02:28.28 | karsten | deb_noob: Yes. |
| 02:28.29 | abrotman | concept10: let's not talk about my recent sleep disfunction |
| 02:28.36 | karsten | deb_noob: Ask channel, I'm busy. |
| 02:28.40 | GeorgeS069 | on-topic: I just installed Etch on my laptop and the wireless is not working....I need a doc and/or How-To for setting up wirless and WPA |
| 02:28.43 | karsten | !sleep abrotman |
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| 02:28.47 | karsten | Feh. |
| 02:28.49 | abrotman | there is no aiglx package |
| 02:28.53 | deb_noob | i'll try a reboot, thank you karsten |
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| 02:29.05 | concept10 | abrotman, im in the same boat brother |
| 02:29.17 | vick | abrotman: no aiglx in debian 'etch' ? |
| 02:29.27 | abrotman | it's not a package |
| 02:29.31 | stoned | we're still going on about aigl |
| 02:29.36 | stoned | I go out for like half n hour |
| 02:29.39 | stoned | I come back and we're still on it |
| 02:29.40 | abrotman | concept10: i've been up since 2AM .. i'm EST .. i went to bed at 1130pm :) |
| 02:29.42 | stoned | awesome |
| 02:30.00 | vick | abrotman: what is it's name then |
| 02:30.19 | vick | abrotman: anyway why is there is this cach problem ? |
| 02:30.31 | Miesco | abrotman: quodlibet is the best music player ever! Thanks, wayy better the rythymbox |
| 02:30.36 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 02:30.41 | vick | so strange, first time to encounter something like that. |
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| 02:31.48 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz .. rea dthe part about enabling aiglx |
| 02:32.03 | concept10 | abrotman, you like quodlibet ? |
| 02:32.13 | vick | abrotman: Thanks. |
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| 02:32.19 | abrotman | i don't play much music on my computer .. but it's good enough |
| 02:32.35 | vick | any ideas about that error ? |
| 02:32.45 | stoned | my desktop is my media center |
| 02:32.57 | stoned | I've got it connected to my home theater system |
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| 02:33.37 | stoned | I like amarok |
| 02:33.51 | concept10 | I need to get raid out of my boot config |
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| 02:34.15 | stoned | concept10: sup |
| 02:34.33 | concept10 | stoned, whatsupper |
| 02:34.40 | vick | it seems i cannot use 'apt-get install' for anything it gives me the same error over and over again |
| 02:34.44 | vick | i tried apt-get clean |
| 02:34.50 | stoned | thinking about hot pockets and poweraid |
| 02:35.06 | concept10 | stoned, im thinking about beer and cigarettes |
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| 02:35.13 | stoned | ugh |
| 02:35.26 | stoned | beer is ok I guess |
| 02:35.28 | concept10 | beer: check, cigs: check, okay, im good |
| 02:35.34 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:35.42 | stoned | I don't like smoking |
| 02:35.43 | twobitsprite | vick: what error? |
| 02:35.47 | stoned | I can't really stand cig smoke either |
| 02:35.51 | stoned | the smell gets to me |
| 02:35.55 | concept10 | me either |
| 02:36.09 | vick | twobitsprite: "E: The package csm needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it." |
| 02:36.16 | stoned | no I mean I don't smoke cigs and I don't like smoking cigs |
| 02:36.19 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:36.24 | twobitsprite | vick: try removing that package? |
| 02:36.43 | stoned | goddamn this motherboard has given me some serious greif |
| 02:36.53 | dvs | stoned: is it a Dell? ;-) |
| 02:36.58 | stoned | no |
| 02:37.09 | vick | twobitsprite: apt-get remove csm gives the same error |
| 02:37.11 | stoned | its the jmicron 363 pata controller chip |
| 02:37.12 | twobitsprite | dvs: are dells known for having mb problems? |
| 02:37.27 | dvs | twobitsprite: Dell have problems in general. |
| 02:37.31 | stoned | dvs: is on the ga 965p s3 mobo |
| 02:37.49 | dvs | stephans: S3? They're still around? |
| 02:38.00 | stoned | hi |
| 02:38.02 | stoned | its stoned |
| 02:38.04 | vick | twobitsprite: dpkg -r csm, gives me E: The package csm needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it., E: The package csm needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. reinstall it before attempting a removal. Errors were encountered while processing: csm" |
| 02:38.05 | stoned | and yes |
| 02:38.27 | concept10 | I just heard a Windows Vista commercial on the way home, and it says "The Wow starts now." I thought it started last year with XGL, am I wrong? |
| 02:38.47 | stoned | concept10: you're not wrong |
| 02:38.48 | stoned | but... |
| 02:39.01 | stoned | does xgl have multicolored butterflies? |
| 02:39.08 | stoned | I don't think so |
| 02:39.21 | vick | twobitsprite: Any ideas ? |
| 02:39.23 | concept10 | Oh, okay, thats the problem |
| 02:39.30 | stoned | xgl doesn't have millions of dollars of marketing backing them up |
| 02:39.31 | stoned | so.. |
| 02:39.36 | stoned | :D |
| 02:39.42 | stoned | yup, multicolored butterflies |
| 02:39.45 | stoned | root of all evil |
| 02:39.49 | twobitsprite | vick: I assume you tried "apt-get install --reinstall csm", etc? |
| 02:40.38 | vick | yep |
| 02:40.40 | unlink | is there currently any way to install debian with a marvell IDE interface? (6101) |
| 02:40.45 | concept10 | this is a problem, many VCs spend millions daily on failed web start ups, I wonder why no one invests that heavily in Linux |
| 02:40.48 | twobitsprite | vick: and --fix-broken |
| 02:41.33 | vick | hold on a sec |
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| 02:41.49 | deb_noob | karsten are you here? |
| 02:41.51 | unlink | i have an Intel DGW965WH motherboard and IDE hard disks...is it possible to install debian? |
| 02:42.06 | vick | twobitsprite: apt-get --fix-broken ? |
| 02:42.28 | twobitsprite | vick: apt-get --fix-broken install csm, I think |
| 02:42.37 | vick | same |
| 02:42.42 | vick | :( |
| 02:42.45 | deb_noob | can anyone please help, with apci=off on the kernel line the computer freezes after a couple seconds after bootup, but i also have noapic and nolapic on the same kernel line. |
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| 02:43.17 | adrakoa | deb_noob: and the screen? |
| 02:43.26 | deb_noob | yes, screen just freezes |
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| 02:43.41 | deb_noob | is that what you're asking? |
| 02:43.49 | adrakoa | i don't remenber |
| 02:43.51 | adrakoa | wait |
| 02:44.07 | deb_noob | should i only use one or the other on the kernel line? |
| 02:44.14 | deb_noob | is apic used when acpi is not |
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| 02:45.10 | twobitsprite | vick: no ideas, sorry |
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| 02:45.36 | twobitsprite | vick: I've had similar problems, but I can't remember how I solved them |
| 02:46.07 | Coweater | deb_noob: apic and acpi are two different things, one's for power management, the other is for interupt control |
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| 02:46.44 | h3sp4wn | Coweater: They are at least in one situation I know of related |
| 02:46.48 | deb_noob | Coweater: well when acpi=off the computer freezes |
| 02:46.58 | deb_noob | what should i do? |
| 02:47.05 | deb_noob | are there any other things i can try? |
| 02:47.26 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: Try for a new bios |
| 02:47.37 | deb_noob | i have the latest |
| 02:47.54 | h3sp4wn | using etch or sarge ? |
| 02:47.56 | deb_noob | etch |
| 02:48.03 | adrakoa | deb_noob: and a video=vga16 ? |
| 02:48.17 | adrakoa | or vga=xxx |
| 02:48.21 | deb_noob | i had it at vga=751 |
| 02:48.22 | Coweater | isn't the kernel option noacpi? |
| 02:48.27 | deb_noob | still had problems |
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| 02:48.40 | deb_noob | Coweater: is it? |
| 02:48.42 | adrakoa | i don't find , but in F[1-6] it was the option |
| 02:48.43 | h3sp4wn | acpi=off is the option |
| 02:48.52 | adrakoa | perphaps |
| 02:48.55 | deb_noob | should i change acpi in bios? |
| 02:49.03 | deb_noob | s1 or s3 |
| 02:49.09 | Quintin | Can GRUB load an OS that is not on a primary partition? |
| 02:49.17 | deb_noob | suspend to ram, suspend to power |
| 02:49.26 | peterS | Quintin: should be able to, yes. I haven't tried it |
| 02:49.44 | Coweater | try it with noacpi, i had some problem, and i can't remember now which one actually fixed it |
| 02:49.49 | Quintin | I am wanting 4 OS on 1 disk. + swap + /home |
| 02:49.52 | Quintin | pretty easy to do ? |
| 02:49.59 | vick | anybody know how to fix problems like that in apt-get ? |
| 02:50.00 | deb_noob | okay, brb |
| 02:50.05 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: is it a laptop ? |
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| 02:50.28 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: no |
| 02:50.32 | adrakoa | vick: .. |
| 02:50.33 | peterS | Quintin: well, any time you set up multiple OSes you have to deal with how to set up grub (or whatever boot loader), since all OS installers generally want to do the boot loader setup themselves |
| 02:50.38 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: what motherboard chipset ? |
| 02:50.53 | deb_noob | gigabyte with nvidia |
| 02:51.01 | deb_noob | amd x2 dual core |
| 02:51.05 | deb_noob | 4600 |
| 02:51.08 | vick | adrakoa: whenever i try anything with apt-get i get "package something needs to be reinstalled, cannot find archive for it' |
| 02:51.16 | dvs | deb_noob: so nforce? |
| 02:51.17 | Quintin | peterS: jaja. will install winxp and macosx first, naturally. the first linux I will setup grub and the second I will say "leave mbr alone" ... I think .. |
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| 02:51.23 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: nforce 550 ? |
| 02:51.25 | deb_noob | yes, nforce4 |
| 02:51.50 | adrakoa | vick: apt-get -f install ? |
| 02:52.04 | vick | adrakoa: same message |
| 02:52.13 | adrakoa | vick: what package? |
| 02:52.21 | vick | adrakoa: xgl |
| 02:52.22 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: Ask gigabyte for a new bios (they gave me one within a day of asking) |
| 02:52.41 | deb_noob | i have the latest |
| 02:52.46 | deb_noob | what is a new bios going to do? |
| 02:53.07 | adrakoa | vick: and where do you download the installed .deb? |
| 02:53.25 | peterS | Quintin: I'm not sure grub supports any hardware that runs OS X |
| 02:53.30 | vick | adrakoa: a script did it, it downloaded something .rpm and used alien to convert it and then used dpkg |
| 02:53.33 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: ACPI_HPET to do with that |
| 02:53.38 | vick | adrakoa: i have the .deb tho |
| 02:53.46 | twobitsprite | peterS: good point, yaboot is the de-facto, no? |
| 02:54.09 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: what? |
| 02:54.11 | peterS | twobitsprite: well, for PowerPC. the fact that he wants to put XP on the same box tells me it's probably a mactel though |
| 02:54.44 | Quintin | peterS: os x runs on regular peecees, silly man! |
| 02:54.45 | adrakoa | vick: sorry, i don't know about rpm. |
| 02:54.46 | peterS | Quintin: Apple Intel boxes use EFI for their BIOS interface, and I don't think grub supports EFI |
| 02:54.58 | deb_noob | brb |
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| 02:55.00 | peterS | Quintin: oh, they support non-Apple machines now? I thought they supported only Apple PCs |
| 02:55.03 | vick | adrakoa: any other way to fix like errors like that generally ? |
| 02:55.08 | adrakoa | vick: perphaps it's a suse package.. |
| 02:55.14 | adrakoa | ? |
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| 02:55.36 | vick | adrakoa: i think it is |
| 02:55.37 | cyzie | anyone has done shrink winxp partition before? |
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| 02:55.57 | vick | adrakoa: ERROR: SuSEconfig or requested SuSEconfig module not present! |
| 02:56.08 | vick | adrakoa: when i tried to remove it using dpkg |
| 02:56.09 | h3sp4wn | deb_nood: Its because of nvidia breaking stuff previously |
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| 02:56.29 | Quintin | peterS: EFI ? intel's firmware thingie? I don't know.. I successfully installed osx in vmware though |
| 02:56.32 | adrakoa | cyzie: partiton magic or ntfs-3g in a knoppix ? |
| 02:56.42 | vick | adrakoa: what happens if it's a suse package ? |
| 02:56.43 | liable | or parted |
| 02:56.46 | unett_ | ok, i just installed debian a few days ago. have the nvidia driver working and pretty much everything except the wirless. can someone help me figure out what i need to do to get it working ? |
| 02:56.48 | Quintin | cyzie: yes. |
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| 02:56.58 | Quintin | unett_: is it a supported chipset ? |
| 02:57.01 | deb_noob | okay i'm trying it now with noacpi |
| 02:57.09 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/acpi/earlyquirk.c |
| 02:57.12 | unett_ | Quintin : lspci say atheros ar5211 |
| 02:57.14 | abrotman | it's noapic and acpi=off IIRC |
| 02:57.18 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: what is that? |
| 02:57.23 | cyzie | adrakoa, Quintin i have downloaded knoppix livecd yesterday. apparently when i execute the shrinking process, it has error. i tried on gparted on ubuntu. same error |
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| 02:57.40 | deb_noob | abrotman: what? |
| 02:57.42 | vick | adrakoa: are you there ? |
| 02:57.46 | unett_ | Quintin : but there is no interface like eth0 or i think it may be ath0 |
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| 02:58.04 | adrakoa | vick: dpkg --purge package? |
| 02:58.07 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: what was that last comment? |
| 02:58.21 | liable | unett_: you want the madwifi-source package |
| 02:58.28 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: You can either comment out the hack in that file that relates to nvidia and rebuild a kernel or ask gigabyte for a fixed bios - with HPET enabled I did this only last week |
| 02:58.33 | Quintin | unett_: apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 02:58.41 | liable | unett_: in non-free iirc, you need to build it with module assistent |
| 02:58.48 | deb_noob | how do i comment it out? |
| 02:58.54 | vick | adrakoa: i got package is in very bad inconsistent state you should reinstall it before attempting removal |
| 02:58.55 | unett_ | okay, i will try that out, build it like the nvidia drivers ? |
| 02:59.03 | liable | yep |
| 02:59.03 | cyzie | adrakoa, any idea how ? |
| 02:59.10 | deb_noob | how can i comment it out? |
| 02:59.12 | deb_noob | or where? |
| 02:59.48 | h3sp4wn | install linux-source-2.6.18 |
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| 02:59.58 | victori | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. ???? |
| 03:00.09 | adrakoa | cyzie: the (knoppix & ubuntu) kernel haven't write ntfs module |
| 03:00.37 | vick | adrakoa: any ideas ? |
| 03:00.43 | cyzie | adrakoa, i dont understand |
| 03:00.54 | adrakoa | vick: you should purge, it's a suse package |
| 03:00.55 | cyzie | adrakoa, or should i use partition magic instead ? |
| 03:01.03 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: then i need to be using the 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 03:01.09 | adrakoa | cyzie: apt-cache search ntfs-3g |
| 03:01.18 | vick | adrakoa: How do i force it ? |
| 03:01.29 | cyzie | adrakoa, i have knoppix live-cd and it came with ntfs-3g |
| 03:01.30 | unett_ | okay, just built the madwifi package, i guess i should reboot now |
| 03:01.36 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: etch should be using 2.6.18 anyway |
| 03:01.57 | vick | purging doesn't work |
| 03:01.58 | liable | unett_: no, just modprobe the module |
| 03:02.00 | vick | :( |
| 03:02.07 | vick | i think i might have to reinstall debian |
| 03:02.12 | liable | unett_: ath_pci |
| 03:02.15 | unett_ | liable, hmm okay |
| 03:02.20 | adrakoa | cyzie: and you set up /etc/fstab correctly? |
| 03:02.32 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: i'm using k7 |
| 03:02.34 | adrakoa | vick: it's the last |
| 03:02.40 | unett_ | okay its in lsmod now |
| 03:02.41 | vick | adrakoa: what ? |
| 03:02.41 | liable | unett_: theres some good newbie docs at madwifi.org |
| 03:02.57 | cyzie | adrakoa, i have not install any linux on this laptop yet. because all the partition is format to NTFS, so now i want to shrink it so it has room for linux debian |
| 03:02.57 | unett_ | i'll check it out |
| 03:03.04 | unlink | i have an Intel DGW965WH motherboard and IDE hard disks...is it possible to install linux? The IDE interface is a Marvell 6101 |
| 03:03.07 | unlink | 1 root=/dev/sda1 all-generic-ide |
| 03:03.11 | vick | can apt-get or dpkg rebuild its db or something ? |
| 03:03.24 | adrakoa | cyzie: yes but from the live-cd, you could do it |
| 03:03.37 | cyzie | adrakoa, does it have GUI ? |
| 03:03.43 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: so you are not running amd64 ? |
| 03:03.47 | vick | cyzie: You can get parted |
| 03:03.52 | vick | cyzie: it have nice gui |
| 03:03.53 | cyzie | adrakoa, cuz i dont know the command , i prefer somethign like gparted |
| 03:03.54 | unlink | er, sorry |
| 03:04.05 | adrakoa | cyzie: it's a module to write, after you launch gparted |
| 03:04.06 | unett_ | liable, Quintin : thanks alot, i may be able to take it from here... |
| 03:04.07 | vick | cyzie: i meant gparted :D |
| 03:04.08 | cyzie | vick does it use the driver, ntfs-3g? |
| 03:04.20 | vick | cyzie: i've shrinked ntfs with it before |
| 03:04.20 | liable | unett_: cool |
| 03:04.20 | adrakoa | cyzie: !google ntfs-3g |
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| 03:04.27 | vick | adrakoa: any more ideas ? |
| 03:04.36 | adrakoa | !google ntfs-3g |
| 03:04.47 | adrakoa | vick: don't use suse package |
| 03:04.52 | vick | heh. |
| 03:04.53 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: yes |
| 03:04.58 | adrakoa | !g ntfs-3g |
| 03:05.03 | vick | i won't, i just want to fix it atm |
| 03:05.04 | vick | :( |
| 03:05.14 | cyzie | vick, yes, so am i on dell laptop. but on this HP laptop, i couldnt |
| 03:05.20 | twobitsp2ite | ohh, random question... some of the guys at my workplace were saying that linux boxes should be rebooted on a weekly basis... how do you all feel about that? They're production web/java/etc servers... |
| 03:05.27 | h3sp4wn | deb_noob: i.e the 64 bit Debian |
| 03:05.35 | deb_noob | no |
| 03:05.37 | deb_noob | 32bit |
| 03:05.43 | liable | vick: what package are you trying to purge?? |
| 03:05.50 | vick | liable: xgl |
| 03:05.55 | liable | vick: paste your dpkg/apt errors to a pastebot |
| 03:06.02 | vick | pastebot ? |
| 03:06.14 | liable | vick: dont follow that frech guide by aliening suse rpms :P |
| 03:06.15 | twobitsp2ite | !paste |
| 03:06.16 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 03:06.16 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: 32bit |
| 03:06.18 | liable | !paste |
| 03:06.26 | twobitsp2ite | liable: beat ya! :P |
| 03:06.35 | liable | heh |
| 03:06.36 | twobitsp2ite | !win twobitsp2ite |
| 03:06.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, twobitsp2ite! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:06.41 | deb_noob | gunna restart, brb |
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| 03:06.59 | cyzie | adrakoa, vick does gparted use ntfs-3g driver? |
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| 03:07.59 | adrakoa | cyzie: use partition magic is easier |
| 03:08.10 | cyzie | okie, downloading |
| 03:08.23 | adrakoa | cyzie: after you learn all this |
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| 03:08.31 | cyzie | adrakoa, partition magic the trial allow you to shrink it ? |
| 03:08.40 | twobitsp2ite | woah... did grub.conf get moved somewhere weird since the last time I looked for it... it's not in /etc or /boot |
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| 03:10.01 | adrakoa | cyzie: i'm not a proprietary support sorry |
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| 03:10.16 | stoned | twobitsp2ite: dpkg -L grub|grep filename |
| 03:10.51 | twobitsp2ite | stoned: I don't see a conf file |
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| 03:11.01 | adrakoa | cyzie: you are alone with that software ... |
| 03:11.02 | cyzie | adrakoa, previosuly i have done the resize using gparted on the dell laptop. why isnt i can do on HP lapotp ? the drive isnt mounted |
| 03:11.26 | stoned | twobitsp2ite: you're looking for menu.lst? |
| 03:11.38 | twobitsp2ite | !ping |
| 03:11.38 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:11.39 | twobitsp2ite | k |
| 03:11.47 | twobitsp2ite | (gaim got disconnect... odd.. |
| 03:11.49 | twobitsp2ite | ) |
| 03:11.53 | stoned | twobitsp2ite: /boot/grub/menu.lst I don't know of a grub.conf |
| 03:11.58 | adrakoa | cyzie: stfw |
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| 03:12.44 | adrakoa | #knoppix #debian #ubuntu #xml ##java #eclipse |
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| 03:13.35 | twobitsp2ite | adrakoa: shut the fucking window? |
| 03:13.48 | cyzie | twobitsp2ite, LOL |
| 03:14.13 | cyzie | anyway, other than gparted, any other similar tools with GUI ? |
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| 03:15.44 | adrakoa | cyzie: but the problem is the similar, the kernel could write in ntfs.. |
| 03:16.41 | cyzie | adrakoa, could or could not ? |
| 03:16.41 | adrakoa | you can make a live-cd with a compiled kernel with ntfs write support.. |
| 03:16.46 | adrakoa | yes |
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| 03:16.54 | unseensoul | hi |
| 03:17.01 | NsOmNiAc | is there an alternative to webmin since it's no longer in the apt repository for debian ? |
| 03:17.22 | cyzie | adrakoa, i have the same CD which i done on dell laptop no problem. |
| 03:17.35 | cyzie | so does not look like kernel related? |
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| 03:17.59 | deb_noob | h3sp4wn: so you think it's the kernel? |
| 03:18.01 | h3xis | NsOmNiAc, why dont you just build it from source? |
| 03:18.10 | adrakoa | ok |
| 03:18.15 | unseensoul | i installed openoffice and myspell package, but openoffice isn't spellchecking. how can i solve this? |
| 03:18.17 | adrakoa | cyzie: sorry i don't know |
| 03:18.29 | deb_noob | why can't i get the k8 kernel? |
| 03:18.42 | NsOmNiAc | I could just wondered if there was something else out there |
| 03:19.07 | zinx | deb_noob: why can't i get a glass of grape juice? |
| 03:19.08 | twobitsp2ite | hmm... so I upgraded my kernel, but I don't see 2.6.18, only 2.6.16 in my /boot dir.... |
| 03:19.13 | jelly | cyzie: can you access the disk at all from gparted? |
| 03:19.22 | deb_noob | lol, seriously |
| 03:19.33 | adrakoa | twobitsp2ite: ls -la /boot/vm* |
| 03:19.47 | zinx | deb_noob: vagueness kills. |
| 03:20.01 | deb_noob | well is it in any repos? |
| 03:20.03 | abrotman | there is no k8 kernel in 32bit etch |
| 03:20.12 | twobitsp2ite | adrakoa: same stuff, and the mod dates are from 2006 |
| 03:20.28 | deb_noob | well i'm trying the 485 again, but i fear a shutdown |
| 03:20.35 | NsOmNiAc | h3xis: It's still available as a *.deb package just no longer in the apt tree |
| 03:21.01 | PingFloyd | NsOmNiAc: yeah, taking a sledge hammer to your system |
| 03:21.01 | zinx | deb_noob: it's in the sid amd64 repository |
| 03:21.07 | deb_noob | can it be used on 32bit etch? |
| 03:21.23 | zinx | deb_noob: the sid one? no |
| 03:21.31 | zinx | deb_noob: as for others.. doubtful |
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| 03:21.58 | deb_noob | but you think that kernel will fix power off issues? |
| 03:22.15 | adrakoa | good night |
| 03:22.18 | stoned | I got my hotpockets chicken cheese and steak and poweraid |
| 03:22.20 | stoned | bye bye |
| 03:22.22 | zinx | deb_noob: what kernel are you using right now? |
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| 03:22.23 | snowbird | power off check bios |
| 03:22.26 | deb_noob | 485 |
| 03:22.31 | zinx | 486? |
| 03:22.32 | snowbird | power setting a |
| 03:22.36 | zinx | deb_noob: try a k7 kernel |
| 03:22.57 | deb_noob | i was using that and had/have power off issues |
| 03:23.30 | zinx | yeah, check the bios :/ |
| 03:24.17 | deb_noob | for what setting? i've tried s1 and s3 options for acpi |
| 03:24.17 | zinx | deb_noob: it's possible a k8 kernel would fix it, but i don't know how well those support 32-bit, or how well etch's 32-bit supports the 64-bit kernels |
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| 03:24.35 | PingFloyd | I've got hotpocket's older brother -- frozen burrito |
| 03:24.36 | cyzie | jelly, yes i can ? it has a lot of /dev/cloopx , where x = 0 , 1, 2, - 7 and /dev/hda and /dev/sda |
| 03:24.48 | snowbird | i got steak and lobster |
| 03:25.14 | zinx | i've got chocolate icecream |
| 03:25.15 | deb_noob | well then i cant use wine and flash on 64bit |
| 03:25.16 | zinx | ha ha ha |
| 03:25.34 | snowbird | rum@coke here |
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| 03:26.30 | criminy | I installed testing a couple days ago. if you actively put binaries in /usr/local/bin, should you have that at the end of $PATH? |
| 03:26.31 | jelly | cyzie: which one is your designated device, hda or sda? |
| 03:26.48 | abrotman | criminy: that's idea |
| 03:26.49 | abrotman | ideal |
| 03:26.53 | cyzie | sda cuz it is sata drive on my laptop |
| 03:27.03 | criminy | it is reversed in /etc/profile |
| 03:27.07 | criminy | so I was confused |
| 03:27.51 | liable | /usr/local should be in your path |
| 03:28.16 | jelly | cyzie: ok. does gparted see the current partitions available on it? |
| 03:28.51 | criminy | I know, but I just wasn't sure where it should be placed. |
| 03:29.00 | deb_noob | can i use 32bit wine on 64bit etch, and will it be in repos |
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| 03:29.15 | cyzie | jelly, yes. the drive is 120GB in total where , 20 GB for softwares stored and 100GB for windows . this 100 GB i woudl like 70GB for linux |
| 03:29.49 | liable | should 'already' be in your path |
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| 03:30.27 | jelly | cyzie: funny, it worked for me. I used gparted's own livecd. |
| 03:30.31 | snowbird | hey laible |
| 03:30.42 | liable | hi |
| 03:30.52 | cyzie | jelly, yes it work for me on the dell laptop with no problemo. but with this HP. it dont work as expected. |
| 03:30.54 | jelly | cyzie: a 30MB or so iso image. |
| 03:31.21 | cyzie | jelly, ?? |
| 03:31.36 | jelly | cyzie: gparted livecd |
| 03:31.54 | cyzie | :O |
| 03:31.55 | criminy | It /is/ already in my path, but It looked out of order. and it was. |
| 03:32.42 | deb_noob | is wine usable and in repos to 64bit users? |
| 03:32.43 | jelly | cyzie: I always used their own since it's bound to be the newest... who knows how old is the version you have on ubuntu's cd. |
| 03:32.55 | abrotman | why would you want wine ? |
| 03:33.03 | deb_noob | to play games |
| 03:33.05 | jelly | to get drunk! |
| 03:33.09 | abrotman | use a PS2 |
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| 03:33.33 | deb_noob | so it's not? |
| 03:34.00 | chizang | how do i convince dpkg to remove a package (lighttpd) if the pre-removal script is failing? |
| 03:34.01 | Pupeno | What's the smallest image I can download to burn into a CD that would be able to bring up a raid and do an fsck on the partition ? |
| 03:34.05 | abrotman | i can't get wine to play a game that is Win98 capable .. so i'm the wrong person to ask :) |
| 03:34.10 | PingFloyd | use a console and boycott devs that write only for windows |
| 03:34.17 | chizang | i'm basically seeing exactly the same problem as described here: http://pftqg.hates-software.com/2006/07/13/66803d8e.html |
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| 03:34.41 | abrotman | PingFloyd: and support ones that only write for console ? |
| 03:35.08 | cyzie | jelly, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php // is this one ? |
| 03:35.18 | deb_noob | can anyone answer the wine question |
| 03:35.36 | abrotman | ia32-libs |
| 03:35.42 | abrotman | maybe ask #winehq |
| 03:35.55 | Pupeno | What if I take raid out of the question ? |
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| 03:36.08 | jelly | cyzie: if that's their homepage, yes. I just type in gparted.net and click ;-) |
| 03:36.14 | drako | Hi |
| 03:36.24 | PingFloyd | abrotman: boycott them all then |
| 03:36.33 | adrakoa | xgl problem ? |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | PingFloyd: board games! |
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| 03:36.41 | PingFloyd | them too |
| 03:37.07 | drako | How I can save battery on my laptop? |
| 03:37.08 | PingFloyd | except the mad magazine game |
| 03:37.22 | adrakoa | abrotman: who had the suse xgl problem? |
| 03:37.27 | drako | which packages can I install to slow down the CPU clock and other stuff |
| 03:37.41 | abrotman | adrakoa: huh ? |
| 03:37.56 | abrotman | adrakoa: oh .. vick .. i think |
| 03:38.02 | Pupeno | is there same way to do maintainance to a Debian box that is failing to mount the partitions *without* the root password ? |
| 03:38.02 | drako | vick? |
| 03:38.03 | liable | adrakoa: vick |
| 03:38.07 | deb_noob | is anyone here running 64bit? |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | drako: turn down the screen birghtness! |
| 03:38.15 | adrakoa | but he left the channel.. |
| 03:38.20 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:38.36 | deb_noob | can you tell me if you can see wine in repos? |
| 03:38.38 | jelly | cyzie: I would save the partition table before messing with gparted... an older version misread the disk geometry and made XP partition not end on cylinder boundary. |
| 03:38.39 | chizang | ah ha, solution is to edit /etc/init.d/lighttpd and just make it exit with status of 0 for case 'stop' |
| 03:38.42 | chizang | annoying |
| 03:38.52 | chizang | but now i can dist-upgrade |
| 03:39.03 | abrotman | chizang: that's one way :) |
| 03:39.24 | adrakoa | bye again |
| 03:39.29 | chizang | abrotman: well, i think the lighttpd package was b0rken somehow |
| 03:39.34 | jelly | deb_noob: there is also #debian-amd64 |
| 03:39.40 | abrotman | bugfile! |
| 03:39.56 | chizang | do they accept ubuntu bugs? ;) |
| 03:40.25 | abrotman | they do in #ubuntu |
| 03:40.42 | cyzie | jelly, okie, if it not end on cylinder boudary, what will happen ? |
| 03:40.44 | jelly | Pupeno: yes there is. Did you forget the password? |
| 03:40.56 | Pupeno | jelly: I never knew it. |
| 03:41.02 | chizang | abrotman: yeah, well, there is too much noise there, and my question was really related to figuring out how to trick dpkg... |
| 03:41.05 | chizang | anyhow, problem solved |
| 03:41.17 | jelly | cyzie: in my case, XP always bluescreened on shutdown until I fixed it. |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | chizang: you should still file a bug on the ubuntu package |
| 03:41.41 | jelly | Pupeno: funny, someone else installed it? |
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| 03:42.43 | cyzie | jelly, i see. so how can i save the partion table for windows ? |
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| 03:43.11 | Pupeno | jelly: yes. The boss has the password. The boss is in vacation. |
| 03:43.43 | Pupeno | jelly: I have my user, with sudo and all that. That was enough untill the electricity was cut off and the system didn't restart. |
| 03:43.54 | jelly | cyzie: read up gparted's doc, it's somewhere in there. I usually do sfdisk -d /dev/whichever > some-file |
| 03:44.07 | jrbobdobbs | Nr7800-a |
| 03:44.17 | Pupeno | jelly: some parameter to the boot that would send straight to a shell, no passwords asked ? |
| 03:44.26 | Pupeno | to the kernel I mean. |
| 03:44.48 | jelly | Pupeno: there are more ways to do it. a) boot from a livecd b) kernel parameter init=/bin/sh |
| 03:45.02 | chizang | abrotman: ah, found it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lighttpd/+bug/68401 |
| 03:45.10 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:45.11 | chizang | abrotman: i should have checked there first i guess |
| 03:45.25 | abrotman | probably a good place to start |
| 03:45.49 | Pupeno | jelly: to make it worst, I believe the computer has a raid0, and I am not in front of the computer, the computer is 500km away and the person in front of it can barely use a keyboard. Building a raid0 to do the fsck in this conditions can take more than traveling to the location. |
| 03:45.53 | jelly | abrotman: is there a lost root password factoid? |
| 03:45.59 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 03:45.59 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 03:46.03 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | we should probably make an ifrp-lilo and ifrp-grub or something |
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| 03:46.56 | jelly | Pupeno: I'd suggest the livecd bit, then. The tape monkey can boot it up, start networking and ssh. |
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| 03:48.14 | jelly | dpkg, forgot root password is <see> ifrp |
| 03:48.14 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
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| 03:49.11 | cyzie | jelly, thanks |
| 03:49.30 | abrotman | !i forgot root's password |
| 03:49.30 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 03:49.35 | abrotman | jelly: ^^ |
| 03:49.59 | jelly | abrotman: I'd never remember to add 's |
| 03:50.00 | jennam | Hello, I am following an xinetd services configuration example but it seems to be made for Fedora - i was wondering if someone could tell me if configuration in the file would work in debian such as service servicename { args } ? |
| 03:50.15 | abrotman | jelly: that's why we came up with ifrp ;) |
| 03:50.36 | abrotman | jennam: anything in /usr/share/doc/xinetd/ |
| 03:51.02 | jennam | doesnt exist o.O |
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| 03:51.50 | jelly | abrotman: also neither listvalues or listkeys root password did show it. |
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| 03:52.28 | abrotman | i think that only takes one param ? |
| 03:52.46 | abrotman | jelly: oh well ... |
| 03:53.10 | jelly | abrotman: I think ' is a word delimiter... |
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| 03:53.41 | abrotman | ah well .. now you know how to find it .. |
| 03:53.45 | jelly | yup |
| 03:53.49 | abrotman | now if only i could find the stabbing one ... |
| 03:54.02 | abrotman | !shell access |
| 03:54.03 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 03:54.07 | abrotman | yeah .. that one :) |
| 03:54.13 | jelly | !ponies |
| 03:54.18 | abrotman | !pony |
| 03:54.21 | Roey | :) nice |
| 03:54.23 | Roey | !pony |
| 03:54.24 | abrotman | !nopony jelly |
| 03:54.25 | dpkg | jelly: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 03:54.31 | jelly | waah |
| 03:54.45 | Roey | I love that picture :) |
| 03:54.50 | Roey | !abrotman |
| 03:54.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, abrotman is someone we want to win the calendar poll on http://www.itsallpetesfault.org/ is also abrotman is http://abrotman.needs.help/, or obsessed with useless factoids, or "<abrotman> sgeigerbot: are you still sore at me?" |
| 03:54.57 | sid | !abuse |
| 03:54.57 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 03:54.59 | jelly | sooo cute |
| 03:54.59 | peterS | Pony, Poni, Poné |
| 03:55.04 | Roey | !peterS |
| 03:55.04 | dpkg | i heard peters is tired |
| 03:55.07 | Roey | ah |
| 03:55.09 | Roey | !Roey |
| 03:55.19 | Roey | !treyf |
| 03:55.22 | jelly | !tell Roey -about selftell |
| 03:55.22 | peterS | it's ... bacon! |
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| 03:55.33 | peterS | Roey: ok you can stop bosturbating in public any time now |
| 03:55.39 | Roey | LOL |
| 03:55.41 | Roey | ok fine. |
| 03:55.43 | Roey | btw, hi :) |
| 03:56.29 | peterS | abrotman: indeed, I misspelled it, the word is botsturbate |
| 03:56.31 | liable | i like it though :) |
| 03:57.18 | abrotman | no .. i meant the 'btw' :) |
| 03:57.24 | peterS | hehe |
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| 03:57.47 | liable | acronym? |
| 03:59.25 | abrotman | we've got more! |
| 03:59.25 | itchi | How can i extract a mdf file? |
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| 03:59.39 | abrotman | itchi: it's not something you extract |
| 04:00.11 | itchi | abrotman: Somethings to burn with alcohol (in MS). But i just want to get the music of it. |
| 04:00.13 | snowbird | let some on box is nasty dead box or ident theft |
| 04:00.34 | abrotman | mdf is Access or SQLServer i believe |
| 04:00.39 | liable | huh? |
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| 04:00.49 | jelly | abrotman: mdf in this case is a cd image |
| 04:01.00 | itchi | Downloaded a free music cd, but it's in a diabolic format i guess :-s |
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| 04:01.12 | jelly | itchi: uh, burn it? |
| 04:01.24 | PingFloyd | snowbird: what you talkin' 'bout Willis? |
| 04:01.33 | itchi | jelly: eeuhm, no, just want to extract it to add it to my collection |
| 04:01.35 | snowbird | yeah |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | jelly: why can't they just call it ISO ? |
| 04:01.46 | jelly | itchi: burn it and rip it :-) |
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| 04:01.51 | jelly | abrotman: because it's not |
| 04:01.58 | itchi | jelly: Yeah, live the polution! |
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| 04:02.21 | snowbird | PingFloyd, abougt dpkg said about shell acsess |
| 04:02.24 | abrotman | jelly: i realize that |
| 04:04.23 | jelly | itchi: well then, giyf |
| 04:04.45 | deb_noob | abrotman: i missed what you last typed to me |
| 04:04.52 | itchi | We can not burn it too with k3b, looks not a reconized format :-( |
| 04:04.53 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 04:05.14 | itchi | At least, open it with k3b |
| 04:05.58 | itchi | How do you burn then that mdf file? |
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| 04:06.25 | kupesoft | is there any way to format or mount an ext3 partition as "permissionless" |
| 04:06.31 | Guerin | kupesoft: no. |
| 04:06.40 | Guerin | kupesoft: if you want permissionless, use vfat |
| 04:06.42 | liable | kupesoft: why? |
| 04:06.44 | abrotman | umask 000 ? |
| 04:06.49 | abrotman | would that work ? |
| 04:07.12 | liable | isnt umask for vfat? |
| 04:07.37 | Guerin | liable: yes, if you mount it. Not if you use it to create directories. |
| 04:08.37 | liable | how do you create a dir with umask? |
| 04:08.58 | Guerin | liable: if you set a stock umask, directories get created with it. |
| 04:08.59 | peterS | you set the umask in your shell, then run 'mkdir' |
| 04:09.01 | liable | i thought it was like the opossite of permissions ie, 000 is 777 |
| 04:09.05 | peterS | yes |
| 04:09.05 | Guerin | the default is 002 i think |
| 04:09.11 | deb_noob | can any 64bit users tell me if wine is available in their repos? |
| 04:09.17 | Guerin | deb_noob: it isn't. |
| 04:09.26 | Guerin | deb_noob: because it's not 64-bit sane |
| 04:09.28 | cast | deb_noob: nope |
| 04:09.34 | Guerin | though apparently some recent source will build |
| 04:09.51 | deb_noob | a 64bit version will be released? |
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| 04:10.01 | Guerin | deb_noob: one would presume so |
| 04:10.01 | abrotman | ask #winehq .. like i told you to do hours ago |
| 04:10.08 | jelly | itchi: I won't waste your time by suggesting kiso.sf.net cause a) I haven't tried it and b) you know how to use google too, so please ignore this line ;-) |
| 04:10.12 | deb_noob | yeah but who knows how long that could take |
| 04:10.25 | Guerin | deb_noob: but since it's essentially only useful to emulate crappy legacy 16 and 32-bit crap, i don't see why ... |
| 04:10.36 | itchi | Does not matter, gona mail the moron |
| 04:10.40 | jelly | itchi: btw, where's that free music mdf? |
| 04:10.45 | deb_noob | Guerin: can you/do you have 32bit wine installed? |
| 04:11.01 | itchi | jelly: A know person of my |
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| 04:11.08 | itchi | jelly: Who runs some satanic stuff |
| 04:11.27 | jelly | itchi: ah, no public url, ok |
| 04:11.44 | Guerin | deb_noob: i probably can, but I don't, since I don't have any worthless legacy windows crapola to support |
| 04:11.45 | itchi | jelly: Not yet, it gona come maybe, it's his stuff |
| 04:12.08 | cyzie | can i make / in logical partition ? |
| 04:12.20 | Guerin | cyzie: you have our permission |
| 04:12.40 | cyzie | lol |
| 04:12.42 | jelly | deb_noob: you were also pointed in the general direction of the x86-64 specific channel which might or might not provide more help with 32/64bit issues |
| 04:12.42 | itchi | jelly: I need to test his stuff, but ... i can not :-) |
| 04:12.55 | liable | cyzie: grub cant boot a /boot in lvm |
| 04:13.01 | liable | cyzie: though iirc, lilo can |
| 04:13.15 | Guerin | wtf does lvm have to do with logical partitions? |
| 04:13.27 | liable | doh |
| 04:13.29 | jelly | It has an l |
| 04:13.29 | Kom[AFK] | can anyone help with a pretty general question? |
| 04:13.32 | Guerin | oh, is this lvm, or logical/extended? |
| 04:13.33 | liable | brain fart |
| 04:13.35 | itchi | jelly: Are you 'jelly-home'? |
| 04:13.47 | Guerin | well, it's ambiguous |
| 04:13.58 | jelly | itchi: only when I'm at home |
| 04:14.00 | Kom[AFK] | My computer wich is a dualboot debian/xp cannot perform any 'graphical' linux operation anymore. Neither from the installed debian, neither from the knoppix live cd, not even the debian graphical installer.. everything makes it crash |
| 04:14.03 | liable | i just seen logical, and presumed lvm |
| 04:14.05 | itchi | jelly: hehe ;-) |
| 04:14.44 | Kom[AFK] | anyone an idea what could be wrong? the windows os works fine nothing wrong with graphics even when playing 3d games |
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| 04:14.59 | deb_noob | Guerin: would you test installing an i386 wine package for me and seeing if it worked? |
| 04:15.03 | unlink | is there an amd64 live cd that runs 2.6.19? |
| 04:15.06 | Quintin | If I microwave my cappuchino tomorrow morning.. will it still be tasty? |
| 04:15.11 | cyzie | Guerin, liable thanks guys |
| 04:15.23 | Guerin | deb_noob: no. |
| 04:15.36 | Guerin | unlink: nttbomk |
| 04:15.40 | Guerin | Quintin: no |
| 04:15.42 | sAkUrAgI | gnome |
| 04:15.47 | stephans | anyone use azureus hera |
| 04:15.49 | stephans | ? |
| 04:15.51 | Quintin | ..... |
| 04:15.51 | Guerin | stephans: no |
| 04:15.53 | jelly | Quintin: if Helen Keller falls in the woods and noone hears it, does she make a sound? |
| 04:16.15 | liable | lol |
| 04:16.33 | unlink | i was so close...knoppix 5.1.1 has 2.6.19 |
| 04:16.41 | abrotman | try #knoppix |
| 04:17.11 | jelly | !anyone use azureus |
| 04:17.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses azureus, not even the people who use it. |
| 04:17.24 | itchi | jelly: no, amule :-p |
| 04:18.17 | jelly | ... but doesn't condone piracy in any way. |
| 04:18.21 | itchi | Someone tried the pytone? Very nice btw |
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| 04:18.43 | itchi | jelly: Copyright does not exist :-) |
| 04:18.49 | peterS | uh, right. this isn't actually a warez channel. if you want to talk about warezing, please to be doing it somewhere else. |
| 04:18.59 | De_Mon | jelly the latest BSG doesnt come on till sunday |
| 04:19.02 | jelly | itchi: say that when you write your first app or book |
| 04:19.15 | liable | thank you, come again |
| 04:19.20 | Guerin | deb_noob: the definition of `latest' is `last one which actually aired' |
| 04:19.22 | jelly | De_Mon: I don't even have the last week's ep |
| 04:19.23 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:19.25 | Guerin | De_Mon: |
| 04:19.50 | De_Mon | Guerin I dont watch it, just know its not on till tomorrow |
| 04:19.50 | Guerin | and why would anyone want to watch BSG anyhow? |
| 04:19.59 | De_Mon | I gave up on it last season |
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| 04:20.01 | Guerin | it's fucking Bible Stories for Children in sci-fi drag |
| 04:20.05 | tictac | hmm. ive been looking and i cant seem to find out how to install something from an upstream version. |
| 04:20.07 | hark | people watch BSG...? |
| 04:20.09 | itchi | jelly: What about the copyright of the almost basic tools. If i had money, i put a copyright on a hammer the people are screwed. But yeah, i drop this conversation. Not my fault that you think i got illegal crap when it is not! |
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| 04:20.22 | De_Mon | bible stories? thats a stretch |
| 04:20.24 | peterS | tictac: ask upstream, that's what they're there for |
| 04:20.33 | Guerin | De_Mon: not at all, if you know anything about the bible. |
| 04:20.34 | jelly | Guerin: err.. doesn't compute. BSG should be Bible Stories for Grownups |
| 04:20.42 | tictac | ask upstream? |
| 04:21.02 | Guerin | jelly: but it's not, it's so ridiculously oversimplified and transparent, children are clearly the target audience |
| 04:21.07 | peterS | tictac: if you want to use some software that isn't in debian, ask the people who wrote the software how to install it. you'll probably get back a "RTFM n00b" answer for not reading their INSTALL or README files |
| 04:21.14 | Guerin | jelly: not like Samurai Jack :) |
| 04:21.31 | tictac | oh. well i had the incorrect wording. :P i mean something that is in sid.. but im running etch |
| 04:21.32 | De_Mon | Guerin I do, anyways... |
| 04:21.34 | Guerin | jelly: oh, you made a funneh. |
| 04:21.44 | Guerin | !punsmite jelly |
| 04:22.04 | peterS | tictac: oh, that isn't upstream, that's unstable. you can use apt pinning to selectively upgrade to unstable. not that I'd particularly recommend it |
| 04:22.48 | tictac | well, for some reason the package i want is in both sarge and sid, but not etch. (xlockmore) |
| 04:23.14 | liable | !tell tictac about simple sid backport |
| 04:23.14 | Xenguy | tictac: I thought you had drupal in mind ;-) |
| 04:23.21 | tictac | i could easily go out and install the package, i just wanted to see how it's done with apt-get. |
| 04:23.26 | peterS | tictac: right, it was removed from etch for rather dubious reasons - I think the release managers intend to put it back in |
| 04:23.29 | jelly | itchi: you're confusing (c) and patents |
| 04:23.44 | itchi | jelly: Does not matters, i not care about it |
| 04:24.13 | tictac | hmm, alright. thanks guys. :) |
| 04:24.17 | jelly | itchi: and I was referring to my own activities, but am glad that you recognized yourself <g> |
| 04:24.53 | peterS | itchi: you're displaying your ignorance about the most basic aspects of what you are talking about. best to quit while you're behind. if you want to have opinions like "copyright does not exist", that's fine, but you should be embarrassed to express things like that when you know as little about it as you apparently do. |
| 04:24.54 | itchi | jelly: no matters, drop it |
| 04:25.25 | itchi | no matters, 3x time |
| 04:25.43 | peterS | tictac: for the simple case, if you don't want to set up apt pinning (it's annoying), just download the package from packages.debian.org/xlockmore and install with dpkg -i. |
| 04:26.15 | peterS | tictac: if dpkg -i complains that it cannot set up xlockmore because of missing dependencies, run 'aptitude -f install' or similar. |
| 04:26.25 | tictac | yep. normal stuff. thanks. |
| 04:28.08 | Guerin | fuckinghell, why do all stupid player programs want to make a fucking database of files? |
| 04:28.48 | liable | eh, photo viewers have that annoying habit too |
| 04:29.38 | Guerin | yeah |
| 04:30.30 | Guerin | it's like the designer thought `hey, if people are just looking at this app to see if they like it, why not piss them off as much as possible by aggressively thrashing disk and using as much resources as possible, preventing them from actually using it until it's done' |
| 04:30.46 | liable | hehe |
| 04:30.53 | jelly | xmms doesn't create a db |
| 04:31.00 | Guerin | jelly: xmms is not stupid. |
| 04:31.04 | mystic_touch | why the apache2 on debian etch don't restart?! |
| 04:31.17 | Guerin | mystic_touch: because you didn't do it right. |
| 04:31.26 | peterS | Guerin: not necessarily, it has known issues with that |
| 04:31.29 | jelly | Automatic updates of db can be disabled in Amarok . |
| 04:31.41 | mystic_touch | Guerin look`s to me i make the same thing then the old debian lol |
| 04:31.47 | Guerin | peterS: EWORKSFORME |
| 04:32.10 | peterS | Guerin: it seems to have issues particularly for people who have SSL websites, but I'm not sure if that's the only problematic case |
| 04:32.12 | mystic_touch | o0 |
| 04:32.13 | mystic_touch | 0o |
| 04:32.17 | mystic_touch | puf :x |
| 04:32.19 | Guerin | mm, ok |
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| 04:32.37 | jelly | etch has 2.0 or 2.2? |
| 04:32.40 | peterS | 2.2 |
| 04:32.44 | Guerin | i just replaced all my ssl certs (with some which expire in 2034) and thunderbird is *freaking* about it |
| 04:32.45 | jelly | hmm |
| 04:33.14 | jelly | well, upstream calls is stable so who am I to argue? |
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| 04:33.25 | Guerin | first complaining about the cert being invalid, then erroring without explanation, then accepting it |
| 04:33.36 | Guerin | jelly: haha |
| 04:33.56 | peterS | jelly: indeed. some people need to serve DVD images (Debian CD mirrors need this, for example), and apache 2.0 won't serve any file larger than 2 GB |
| 04:34.43 | jelly | peterS: wow, they finally fixed that? |
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| 04:34.57 | peterS | jelly: of course there is always the option of using some non-Apache server for your static content that includes DVD images, but anyway.... |
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| 04:35.35 | mystic_touch | Guerin a2enmod "now need" look's |
| 04:35.41 | peterS | jelly: I think the 2GB file size limitation was the main reason to move to apache 2.2. there are other benefits, like a refactored (i.e., saner) authentication/authorization framework. |
| 04:35.55 | Guerin | mystic_touch: your mystic_touch definitely needs to be applied to your english |
| 04:36.10 | Guerin | peterS: woah, they got rid of htaccess? |
| 04:36.25 | peterS | jelly: but if it weren't for the large file support, I don't think anyone would have tried to push 2.2 into etch. the transition was a bit painful, and came at a bad time for the release process |
| 04:36.44 | peterS | Guerin: no, that still exists. the difference is in the apache modules that implement auth. |
| 04:37.26 | Guerin | peterS: oh. |
| 04:37.34 | jelly | Users wouldn't like if their precious .htaccess weren't working any more. |
| 04:37.35 | mystic_touch | Guerin i don`t bealiver is english problem .i prefer portuguese that is my language then speck bether english then portuguese :) |
| 04:37.52 | mystic_touch | specially us english |
| 04:37.53 | Guerin | well, your english is better than my portuguese |
| 04:38.09 | Guerin | jelly: mm, thast's true. |
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| 04:38.24 | peterS | Guerin: the main thing is that in apache 2.2, authentication ("who are you? can you prove it?") is now separate from authorization ("ok so you're Guerin, what should you be able to read?"). |
| 04:38.34 | Guerin | peterS: right. |
| 04:38.43 | peterS | Guerin: thus modules with "authn" or "authz" in their names, to do only one of the two functions. |
| 04:39.01 | jelly | peterS: Separate like PAM "separate", or...? :-) |
| 04:39.32 | jelly | never mind, I need to take a good look at it anyway |
| 04:39.42 | mystic_touch | lol |
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| 04:40.33 | peterS | jelly: separate as in, separate apache modules. mod_authn_dbm, for example, does authentication from a flat-file user/password database. but then you use for example mod_authz_dbm to read some other flat-file database which grants specific users the ability to read specific content |
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| 04:42.03 | fixing | Why I can not write on Windows partition? |
| 04:42.31 | fixing | I mounted it and when I want to make it writeable it tels me that its unmolunted... |
| 04:42.42 | fixing | but it was mounted before that |
| 04:42.58 | fixing | I use Knoppix and I ask here because this is the best channel |
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| 04:43.31 | hark | fixing: #knoppix is the best channel for knoppix ;) |
| 04:43.36 | peterS | jelly: pam pretty much only handles authentication. authorization is done by the Unix kernel after you've logged in, for filesystem access and such. |
| 04:44.26 | fixing | hark, nobody naswering there :( |
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| 04:45.10 | jelly | peterS: grumble limits grumble |
| 04:45.13 | psh | i just messed up my install and it freezes on boot now, i think (i only have ssh) |
| 04:45.18 | psh | last log: kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 04:45.59 | psh | after that, i have no idea what it does |
| 04:46.24 | itchi | fixing: That's not a reason to ask here |
| 04:46.30 | peterS | jelly: yes, some modules like pam_limits do _some_ authorization stuff, but still most authorization is done by the kernel after you've logged in |
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| 04:47.03 | peterS | i.e., pam doesn't set some special flag in your process "Not authorized to edit /etc/passwd" |
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| 04:47.07 | jelly | peterS: agreed. still it mixes stuff not in a very nice way |
| 04:48.14 | jennam | can anyone recommend a VNC server that is just as fast as microsoft's TS which will run on debian? Or are they all slow :/ |
| 04:48.21 | jelly | also, pam_selinux.so... I don't want to know. Even though it's a logical place to put it. |
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| 04:48.59 | psh | jennam, X thru ssh is pretty fast for me |
| 04:49.36 | jennam | X thru ssh? does that mean I type the commands in shell and it happens in X? |
| 04:50.05 | psh | jennam, no you tunnel xserver thru ssh |
| 04:50.36 | jennam | so i'll still get a GUI? |
| 04:50.54 | psh | jennam, of course it is normal x11 |
| 04:51.08 | jelly | jennam: you can run single X apps with that setup. |
| 04:51.20 | jelly | s/single // |
| 04:51.21 | peterS | jennam: that's the basic idea. I would use "ssh -C -X -o ciphers=arcfour" for setting up such a tunnel, for speed reasons |
| 04:51.58 | jennam | Okay.. I'll look for howtos >< thanks |
| 04:52.16 | peterS | -C and -o ciphers=arcfour both improve speed, which is more important when you're tunneling large amounts of graphical data than it is for a simple login session |
| 04:52.47 | psh | can i turn on some extreme logging to find out what goes wrong during boot? |
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| 04:53.41 | psh | i have a machine that doesnt start the ssh server anyway... ive been in the recover shell too many times now :) |
| 04:53.45 | erpo | How can I limit the outgoing bandwidth for ssh/scp/sftp on my machine? |
| 04:54.04 | psh | erpo, i beleive it is called port shaping |
| 04:54.20 | psh | donnu much about it tho |
| 04:54.34 | erpo | psh: I'd prefer an option I can set inside ssh's configuration rather than using traffic control (traffic shaping) in the kernel, if possible. |
| 04:54.36 | jelly | erpo: for a single run, or always? |
| 04:54.46 | jelly | erpo: try trickle |
| 04:54.51 | jennam | so can i use x thru ssh if the client computer is a windows machine? |
| 04:54.53 | erpo | Always. |
| 04:55.10 | psh | jennam, then u need an x client |
| 04:55.11 | jelly | jennam: you'd have to run an X server on the windows machine. |
| 04:55.12 | erpo | jennam: Do you understand what the term client means in the X world? |
| 04:55.19 | jelly | psh: server. |
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| 04:55.32 | psh | jennam, i think cygwin has that |
| 04:55.40 | psh | free option |
| 04:55.52 | jelly | !xming |
| 04:56.07 | jennam | All I want to do is connect to a remote server from windows with GUI |
| 04:56.14 | psh | yes x server it is |
| 04:56.16 | jennam | but packages like tightvnc were far too sluggish |
| 04:56.25 | erpo | jennam: X will be way worse than vnc. |
| 04:56.26 | Xenguy | freenx is worth a look, but I haven't had it working on debian so far |
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| 04:56.55 | psh | well...yes vnc is probably the best option if on slow connection |
| 04:57.08 | jelly | jennam: hm, install an X server (like xming) and run putty (or other ssh client) with X11 forwarding. |
| 04:57.18 | jennam | no no its highspeed.. its like the technology is slow or something |
| 04:57.22 | Xenguy | jennam: freenx comment was meant for you ^^^^^ |
| 04:57.28 | jennam | I have a windows server on the same remote network which isnt so slow.. |
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| 04:57.50 | psh | jennam, well i run x over ssh on lans and it is amazing of course |
| 04:57.56 | jelly | jennam: yeah, remote desktop is much more usable. |
| 04:58.14 | jennam | I just want to bash the screen when it takes 10 minutes to move the pointer |
| 04:58.15 | jennam | lol |
| 04:58.28 | cast | ssh uses up alot of cpu time i noticed |
| 04:59.19 | jelly | jennam: while using vnc, did you reduce the color depth and disable automatic block compression style? |
| 04:59.44 | jennam | jelly: yes.. still no help :/ |
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| 05:00.17 | jelly | jennam: I do that, tunnel the vnc connection thru ssh (with compression), and it's kinda usable. |
| 05:00.20 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am having problems with cifs when i mount my cifs directory it mounts it and gives it permissions for root:1118 which makes it inacessable for me ignores my uid an gid options can someone please help? |
| 05:00.47 | jelly | the mouse moves in a second, not 10 mins ;-) |
| 05:01.33 | jennam | hm |
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| 05:02.01 | d0uglas | possible to do a businesscard netinstall over wifi on an open network? |
| 05:02.08 | d0uglas | or do i need to be wired in |
| 05:02.16 | jennam | what VNC server do you use jelly |
| 05:02.18 | jelly | jennam: I'm usually connected over a 1Mbps DSL line when doing this. |
| 05:02.24 | jennam | ah |
| 05:02.29 | jennam | im on vdsl2 |
| 05:02.37 | jennam | so it should be just as effective if I can duplicate it |
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| 05:02.57 | jelly | jennam: x11vnc to connect to already running X at work |
| 05:03.11 | jennam | hmm i used that originally |
| 05:03.17 | jennam | and it was very slow :/ |
| 05:03.29 | jennam | so these config options, they are in the server side, not the client side? |
| 05:03.36 | hark | d0uglas: it depends on your wireless card. |
| 05:03.54 | jelly | was using x0vnc4server before that, subjectively I think x11vnc is better |
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| 05:04.13 | d0uglas | okay hark, let's say i got the "right" one.. which installer might i want to use and which startup options should i try? 'cause i ain't seeing nothing on expert mode |
| 05:04.51 | hark | d0uglas: has your card been detected? |
| 05:04.56 | jelly | jennam: client side. |
| 05:05.05 | jennam | hm so i did it right |
| 05:05.09 | d0uglas | i'll try to keep an eye out for it this time, hang on |
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| 05:05.53 | jelly | jennam: I do ssh -C -L 5900:localhost:5900 remote-machine and then run "x11vnc -display :0 -rfbauth .vnc/passwd -localhost" there |
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| 05:06.19 | jennam | jelly but you have a linux connecting to linux right? |
| 05:06.24 | jelly | jennam: also cipher blowfish is used instead of the default |
| 05:06.38 | jelly | jennam: yes, but putty can do the same thing. |
| 05:07.03 | jennam | so, let me get this accurate - putty can act as a gui viewer? |
| 05:07.21 | jelly | jennam: no, putty does compression and port forwarding. |
| 05:07.58 | jennam | oh so the vnc viewer, i connect to localhost |
| 05:08.03 | jennam | which goes through putty |
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| 05:08.22 | jelly | jennam: after putty's logged in and vnc server is started, connect with the vnc client to :0 (or localhost:0) on your local machine |
| 05:08.45 | jennam | ok |
| 05:09.29 | Guerin | you'll probably need to be running a local X server, no? |
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| 05:10.00 | jelly | jennam: as for the tunnel settings, SSH -> Tunnels, add Source port: 5900, Destination localhost:5900, keep "Local" and "Auto" settings at default. [Add] new forwarded port. |
| 05:10.10 | jelly | Guerin: no, vnc is forwarded |
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| 05:10.19 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:11.01 | jennam | ok so I have done that an enabled compression.. so all I need to do is initiate the SSH connection to the remote host and then run x11vnc |
| 05:11.06 | jelly | Guerin: they also use the "host:display-number" format |
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| 05:11.23 | Guerin | oh, it's not actually x |
| 05:11.27 | jelly | but :0 is vnc server 0 on localhost here |
| 05:11.32 | Guerin | yet more mud in the waters |
| 05:11.36 | jelly | yeah. |
| 05:11.59 | jennam | I dont need to enable x11 forwarding this way do I? |
| 05:11.59 | jelly | and it's a tcp/5900 + display, not tcp/6000 + display number ;-) |
| 05:12.04 | jelly | jennam: nope |
| 05:12.09 | jennam | ok |
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| 05:19.20 | Palish | Hey.. I did an apt-get install lighttpd..where do you suppose that put it? |
| 05:19.32 | Palish | I"m trying to install a mod now for it, and it says 'put these source files where lighttpd is'. |
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| 05:20.07 | itchi | Palish: dpkg -L foo |
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| 05:20.45 | jennam | thats awesome thanks - much faster |
| 05:20.46 | Palish | I did apt-get, not dpkg |
| 05:21.04 | jennam | (thanks jelly and others) |
| 05:21.09 | itchi | Palish: dpkg -L foo show you where the stuff is located after installing it |
| 05:21.15 | Palish | it says it's not installed. |
| 05:21.17 | Palish | even though it is |
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| 05:21.26 | Palish | is there a way to see a list of everything installed? |
| 05:21.29 | itchi | Palish: See /msg dpkg foo maybe |
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| 05:21.55 | jelly | Palish: what is the exact error you got with dpkg -L lighttpd ? |
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| 05:22.07 | Palish | Package 'lighttpd' is not installed. |
| 05:22.17 | jelly | well, then it's not. |
| 05:22.21 | jennam | although , i do not understand... there is sound, this server has no soundcard LOL |
| 05:22.21 | Palish | well |
| 05:22.25 | Palish | I'm running a lighttpd server right now |
| 05:22.28 | Palish | so it must be installed. |
| 05:22.33 | Palish | lighttpd -f works. |
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| 05:22.42 | jelly | jennam: no idea about that... which app makes sound? :-) |
| 05:22.43 | Palish | is there a way to get a list of all packages installed? |
| 05:22.49 | itchi | Palish: Maybe btw, look to dpkg -l lighttpd |
| 05:22.56 | jennam | jelly: vncviewer makes all the X sounds lol |
| 05:22.58 | jelly | Palish: dpkg -l |grep '^.i' |
| 05:23.04 | jennam | (tightvnc package) |
| 05:23.09 | jelly | jennam: I mean, which remote app? |
| 05:23.14 | jennam | oh |
| 05:23.16 | jennam | GDM |
| 05:23.43 | Palish | this is really weird.. |
| 05:23.47 | jelly | jennam: maybe it's just the system beep |
| 05:24.37 | Palish | oh. |
| 05:24.37 | tuxt1 | Using Etch, I set my Fn keys using Keyboard Shortcuts, how would I set the volume keys? Laptop, compaq presario v3020au |
| 05:24.37 | jennam | its playing all the messages too hehe |
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| 05:25.48 | Palish | thanks jelly |
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| 05:26.05 | tuxt1 | Oh, sorry, stupid question, I just press the button I want when setting keyboard shortcuts |
| 05:26.13 | tuxt1 | D'oh |
| 05:26.29 | tuxt1 | Debian rox (ex-ubuntu user) |
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| 05:26.53 | jennam | thanks again jelly.. much better :) |
| 05:27.12 | jelly | jennam: yw |
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| 05:27.59 | jelly | jennam: honestly I have no idea why sound works, maybe try disabling it client side. |
| 05:28.14 | jennam | Oh its not a problem, I just found it curious |
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| 05:28.33 | jelly | it might be eating up precious bandwidth ;-) |
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| 05:36.20 | markybob | rahul, damnit, man! just because it's a friday night doesnt give you the right to not be chattin' away in here! |
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| 05:38.05 | nocti | this is a kind of inane but... AGP or PCI video card? which one should i buy? thanks |
| 05:38.21 | peterS | nocti: AGP if you have an AGP slot free in your computer. PCI if you don't. |
| 05:38.26 | markybob | nocti, unless you have a specific reason not to, agp kills pci |
| 05:38.33 | peterS | nocti: they're usually the same price and the AGP one will be more efficient |
| 05:38.45 | jennam | unless its PCI-E!! |
| 05:38.56 | peterS | he didn't say PCI-E, now, did he? |
| 05:39.09 | markybob | pci-e is not pci, damnit |
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| 05:39.26 | jennam | nope, but I've been asked about PCI when people have meant PCI-E |
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| 05:39.50 | Arafangi1n | How do I get KDE to auto-mount any media, such as CD's? |
| 05:40.06 | Arafangi1n | I have inserted a CD drive, but nothing comes up (using etch) |
| 05:41.32 | Arafangi1n | I can mount and umount it manually, so that's not the problem. |
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| 05:42.21 | markybob | Arafangi1n, /j #kde |
| 05:42.30 | nocti | thanks peterS markybob |
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| 05:44.48 | fox911 | DCC SEND twasbrilligandtheslithytovesdidgyreandgimbleinthewabe |
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| 05:46.09 | markybob | dondelelcaro, am i drunk, or are you? ;) |
| 05:46.18 | peterS | markybob: dondelelcaro's line made sense |
| 05:46.26 | markybob | damnit. guess it's me. |
| 05:46.32 | peterS | markybob: it was a reply to fox911's obnoxious bit |
| 05:46.35 | liable | irt fox? |
| 05:46.37 | dondelelcaro | markybob: you're just not a Lewis Carol fan. |
| 05:46.38 | karsten | Beware the jabberwock, my son, the jaw that bite, the claws that snatch |
| 05:46.53 | dondelelcaro | Beware the jubjub bird, and shun the frumious bandersnatch. |
| 05:46.58 | markybob | dondelelcaro, very true. no idea who that is. on lewis i really know of is c.s. lewis |
| 05:47.10 | Arafangi1n | Well, the #kde guys are saying that my auto mounting should Just Work. |
| 05:47.12 | peterS | markybob: those lines they've been quoting are from a nonsense poem called "Jabberwocky" |
| 05:47.15 | Arafangi1n | So any suggestions? |
| 05:47.20 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's not nonsense. |
| 05:47.26 | karsten | markybob: This is a song about Alice. |
| 05:47.33 | karsten | markybob: You remember Alice, don't you? |
| 05:47.36 | dondelelcaro | it's a story about capturing a jabberwocky, and no, it's not about alice. |
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| 05:47.55 | markybob | karsten, i dont know what you're talking about. i think this may be a cultural thing...i'm brazilian. who's alice? |
| 05:48.00 | karsten | dondelelcaro: You can get anythign you want, at lilo's restaurant. |
| 05:48.16 | peterS | markybob: the book is "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" or perhaps its sequel |
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| 05:48.30 | karsten | markybob: http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices.shtml |
| 05:48.35 | karsten | markybob: ... and http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberwocky.html |
| 05:48.37 | dondelelcaro | peterS: nah; it's mentioned in Adventure's in Wonderland, but the poem is actually elsewhere. |
| 05:48.45 | markybob | aye, thanks |
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| 05:48.58 | dondelelcaro | (alice sees it, and asks humpty dumpty to explain it to her, iirc) |
| 05:49.15 | peterS | I haven't read any of those books for the longest time |
| 05:49.36 | karsten | markybob: ... the other bit was a reference to Arlo Guthrie's song "Alice's Restaurant", no relation to Lewis Carrol's work other than the name of the protagonist. |
| 05:49.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: The full poem *is* in Alice IIRC. |
| 05:50.02 | Arafangi1n | What do I need to get the CD disk to automount? |
| 05:50.16 | karsten | Arafangi1n: A vorpal blade. |
| 05:50.19 | dondelelcaro | karsten: the full poem is about 1000 lines long iirc. |
| 05:50.25 | karsten | Arafangi1n: ... or an automounter. |
| 05:50.29 | dondelelcaro | which goes sniker snak. |
| 05:50.29 | markybob | Arafangi1n, i dont know about kde, sorry man. you do have hal installed? |
| 05:50.45 | Arafangi1n | karsten: Excellent, I'm getting somewhere. What kind of automounter? Yes, hal, and dbus are both installed. |
| 05:50.52 | karsten | dondelelcaro: What base? |
| 05:51.05 | karsten | Arafangi1n: autofs IIRC. amd is deprecated. |
| 05:51.28 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I get 37 lines, base ten, including inter-stanza blank lines. |
| 05:52.27 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... I cannot tell a lie. Yes, I did put that poem underneath that pile of garbage... |
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| 05:52.33 | markybob | Arafangi1n, check this out http://www.cuberick.com/?p=25 |
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| 05:52.43 | Arafangi1n | Thanks markybob |
| 05:53.05 | dondelelcaro | karsten: I'm making a mistake, actually... I'm mixing jaberwocky up with the hunting of the snark. |
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| 05:55.01 | dondelelcaro | sprit |
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| 05:55.15 | karsten | Point. |
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| 05:56.28 | Cyis | okay... having a brain fart... which package in etch can I re-run dpkg-reconfigure on to reset the locale |
| 05:56.35 | dondelelcaro | Cyis: locales |
| 05:56.35 | peterS | locales |
| 05:56.41 | peterS | don wins |
| 05:56.46 | dondelelcaro | but you really only need to set LANG. |
| 05:57.13 | Arafangi1n | Thanks karsten, markybob, turns out I did not have hal-device-manager |
| 05:57.26 | markybob | Arafangi1n, good. glad you got it :) |
| 05:57.32 | karsten | Arafangi1n: I'm sorry, Arafangi1n, I'm afraid I can't let you do that. |
| 05:57.48 | Arafangi1n | karsten: So, stop me? |
| 05:58.04 | karsten | Arafangi1n: Daisy, Daisy.... |
| 05:58.15 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
| 05:58.16 | peterS | Arafangi1n: he's imitating a character named Hal from a Stanley Kubrick movie |
| 05:58.23 | karsten | Arafangi1n: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/cantdo.wav |
| 05:58.26 | craigevil | !bts |
| 05:58.27 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 05:58.45 | Arafangi1n | peterS: I realise, and I was pretending to be a macho guy who does it anyway :) |
| 05:58.57 | Arafangi1n | peterS: 2000, a space odessy, or something, wasn't it? |
| 05:59.06 | peterS | 2001. I haven't seen it. I did read the book. |
| 05:59.19 | karsten | peterS: http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/better.wav |
| 05:59.42 | Arafangi1n | peterS: Never read the book, saw the movie - a pity, the book is probably better. |
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| 06:00.09 | peterS | Arafangi1n: well, the book was based on the screenplay, rather than vice versa, so who knows. A.C. Clarke co-wrote the screenplay then wrote the book |
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| 06:00.28 | GeorgeS069 | !wireless |
| 06:00.29 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 06:02.17 | peterS | so uh ... did 2001 come out before or after Frank Herbert's "Destination: Void"? the dramatic concept seems awfully similar |
| 06:03.25 | Gokee2 | How do I give myself(user) access to /dev/ttyS1 for using my calculater (Ti 83 plus)? |
| 06:03.35 | karsten | peterS: 1967 / 1968, thereabouts. |
| 06:03.50 | peterS | hmmm, just after. 2001 is from 1968, Destination: Void is from 1966. |
| 06:03.52 | karsten | Gokee2: add yourself to the owning group, chmod 660 /dev/ttyS1 |
| 06:04.58 | Gokee2 | karsten, Why is "dialout" the group...? This is the usb port? |
| 06:05.13 | karsten | Gokee2: Legacy. It thinks its a com port. |
| 06:05.20 | markybob | wtf? no. ttyS1 is not usb |
| 06:05.22 | karsten | Gokee2: COM == modem == dialout. |
| 06:06.10 | Gokee2 | markybob, Then what is? And why is that what tilp thinks is a usb port? |
| 06:06.12 | peterS | a USB TTY device is usually labeled as ttyUSB0 and similar |
| 06:06.29 | markybob | Gokee2, i havent a clue. check your syslog |
| 06:06.54 | Arafangi1n | How do I change the default, system-wide locale? |
| 06:07.04 | Gokee2 | hmmm |
| 06:07.21 | karsten | Arafangi1n: What default? |
| 06:07.22 | markybob | /etc/default/locale ? |
| 06:07.35 | markybob | Arafangi1n, --^ |
| 06:07.37 | peterS | Arafangi1n: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'. |
| 06:07.52 | karsten | Arafangi1n: ... and/or /etc/environment |
| 06:08.06 | Arafangi1n | peterS: Duh, thanks :) |
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| 06:09.13 | littleboy | hello |
| 06:09.19 | littleboy | is it possible to bring ipless interface on debian ? |
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| 06:09.40 | littleboy | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 06:09.43 | littleboy | this usualy works. |
| 06:09.53 | littleboy | ifconfig interface up |
| 06:09.59 | Gokee2 | ah it was thinking it was a com port and had not switched to usb yet |
| 06:10.04 | karsten | littleboy: Load the NIC module. |
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| 06:10.47 | littleboy | the nic module ? can you be more specific please... |
| 06:11.22 | Guerin | !hcl |
| 06:11.22 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 06:11.36 | Guerin | littleboy: check your nic against that to see which module it needs |
| 06:11.39 | Guerin | littleboy: the last link |
| 06:11.51 | peterS | littleboy: what you want is, in /etc/network/interfaces, 'iface eth0 manual' or similar. then you can just 'ifup eth0' |
| 06:11.53 | karsten | !nic littleboy |
| 06:12.06 | karsten | !tell littleboy about nima |
| 06:12.10 | karsten | !tell littleboy about nic |
| 06:12.13 | peterS | karsten, Guerin: I don't think his problem is lack of a driver |
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| 06:12.22 | littleboy | l;) |
| 06:12.24 | karsten | peterS: I do. |
| 06:12.38 | littleboy | karsten oh .. |
| 06:12.42 | littleboy | no it's not. |
| 06:12.51 | littleboy | i want to bring ipless alias interface |
| 06:13.00 | karsten | littleboy: what's not what? |
| 06:13.07 | nima | littleboy, I'm a 16 year old high school student living in Michigan |
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| 06:13.30 | littleboy | karsten, lack of driver. |
| 06:13.33 | littleboy | i do have a driver |
| 06:13.34 | liable | littleboy: be a little more specific |
| 06:13.34 | karsten | nima: Heh, I was trying to tab-complete "NIC" for some reason.... |
| 06:13.40 | nima | :-) |
| 06:13.41 | littleboy | i just need a alias interface |
| 06:13.47 | littleboy | without ip address ... |
| 06:13.55 | karsten | littleboy: lspci | grep -i eth; ifconfig eth0. Paste that to a pastebin. |
| 06:14.03 | dendrite | littleboy: You want the alias, e.g., "eth0:1" to have no IP address? |
| 06:14.03 | karsten | littleboy: ... and lsmod while you're at it. |
| 06:14.09 | littleboy | dendrite, yes |
| 06:14.11 | dondelelcaro | littleboy: what's the point of an alias without an adress? |
| 06:14.14 | Arafangi1n | Hmm, I guess building ALL locales was not a good idea ;) |
| 06:14.26 | karsten | Arafangi1n: Doesn't hurt much, just takes time. |
| 06:14.30 | karsten | Arafangi1n: ... and disk. |
| 06:14.30 | dendrite | littleboy: Add a stanza in /etc/network/interfaces for etho:1, and specify there what you want. |
| 06:14.47 | littleboy | ok |
| 06:14.51 | jelly | littleboy: d'oh, alias is pretty much just the ip address. What do you want to do with it? |
| 06:15.00 | peterS | Arafangi1n: nothing wrong with it, it just takes awhile and uses a bit of disk in /usr/share/i18n/ |
| 06:15.43 | peterS | Arafangi1n: umm, I mean, /usr/lib/locale/. /usr/share/i18n doesn't change when you generate locales |
| 06:15.57 | Arafangi1n | peterS: I have my eye on df -h ;) |
| 06:16.00 | dendrite | littleboy: Come to think of it, an address-less *alias* is a bit ... odd... |
| 06:16.16 | Arafangi1n | peterS: Will probably get my server to host and export /var/cache/apt/archives. |
| 06:16.39 | peterS | dendrite: maybe he wants to bring up an interface only for use with non-IP protocols such as PPPoE |
| 06:16.46 | dendrite | jelly: I expect littleboy is heads down in his interfaces file. |
| 06:16.54 | dendrite | peterS: I was wondering if that was the case. |
| 06:17.10 | littleboy | dendrite, and what about address-less interface ? |
| 06:17.29 | littleboy | is that odd to you ? just wanna know... |
| 06:17.37 | dendrite | littleboy: What are you trying to do with this interface? |
| 06:17.52 | dendrite | littleboy: Only odd in the sense that it's not a common technical requirement. |
| 06:17.54 | karsten | dendrite: Enroll it in the federal witness protection program? |
| 06:18.12 | littleboy | i don't need the damn ip on it since the protocol that i will be using is not using ip addresses |
| 06:18.15 | dendrite | karsten: Heh. "Nope, nobody here by that name." |
| 06:18.32 | peterS | littleboy: so, the 'manual' method in /etc/network/interfaces is what you want, then. |
| 06:18.33 | dendrite | littleboy: I'd read the man page for interfaces. |
| 06:18.36 | jelly | noone forbids dumping any weird ethernet frame out to the interface, IP or not |
| 06:18.48 | jelly | littleboy: but why an alias? |
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| 06:19.00 | karsten | dendrite: eth0:1, a/k/a "Rocky". |
| 06:19.11 | dondelelcaro | it's not like an alias will help you with doing that anyway. |
| 06:19.15 | dendrite | karsten: Ssssshhhh! ;-) ;-) |
| 06:19.24 | littleboy | jello, because my main interface is connected to Access Point ... from where the clients will be sending pppoe frames. |
| 06:19.26 | jelly | I suspect eth0:2 is Rocky 2, then |
| 06:19.32 | littleboy | so, i thought using alias |
| 06:19.35 | littleboy | instead |
| 06:19.39 | littleboy | but without ip. |
| 06:19.53 | dendrite | jelly: <grin> |
| 06:20.28 | littleboy | since like i said, pppoe doesn't need ip. |
| 06:20.37 | jelly | littleboy: it's not "connected" to anything. It only has an IP address assigned, so if by any chance something decides to use it for IP traffic, kernel will know what to put in src address field |
| 06:20.45 | dendrite | littleboy: I don't think an IP on an if prevents pppoe however? |
| 06:21.45 | dendrite | littleboy: An IP interface doesn't prevent non-IP usage. |
| 06:21.47 | jelly | littleboy: you can run IPX or IP or raw frames on it regardless of the assigned IP address. |
| 06:21.56 | littleboy | dendrite, it won't prevent it. however, it's recomended to work without ip on interface where you are binding pppoe |
| 06:22.04 | littleboy | here's the quotation |
| 06:22.34 | jelly | littleboy: probably meaning "if you don't need it, don't use it". |
| 06:22.43 | littleboy | don't know where i read it. |
| 06:22.44 | littleboy | anyway |
| 06:22.51 | jennam | is there any reason audio would not be listed in lspci | grep audio ? |
| 06:23.07 | littleboy | jello, well ... yes, you can say that. |
| 06:23.16 | dendrite | littleboy: I'd say go ahead and try to get it working with the eth0 standard interface, and if you run into trouble, then we'll do our best to sort it out with you. |
| 06:23.25 | jelly | littleboy: btw please don't distrub jello, he's not me |
| 06:23.41 | cyzie | hello , how do i install nvidai graphic card geforce go 7400 driveR? |
| 06:23.46 | littleboy | oh ... sorry. |
| 06:23.46 | dendrite | jelly is British for jello... |
| 06:23.54 | littleboy | dendrite, well, it will work.. i already did it. |
| 06:23.57 | littleboy | i was just curious ... |
| 06:24.00 | jelly | dendrite: just the opposite, my old chap |
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| 06:24.02 | dendrite | littleboy: Ah. Good. |
| 06:24.31 | dendrite | jelly: Oh. I thought Brits called that jiggly "food" jelly... |
| 06:24.39 | jelly | jello is American for jelly |
| 06:24.50 | dendrite | jelly: Aaaaah. I see. |
| 06:25.03 | littleboy | jelly ... you are close to me... i mean, geographical location |
| 06:25.06 | dendrite | jelly: How very provincial of me to not see it that way. |
| 06:25.07 | jelly | or so I'm told |
| 06:25.07 | littleboy | or something like that... |
| 06:25.40 | littleboy | we speak same language even. heh, interesting |
| 06:25.55 | dendrite | if the British want to take credit for sweetened gelatine, they can have it as far as I'm concerned! =) |
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| 06:26.40 | deb_noob | does anyone here know how to chroot? |
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| 06:27.06 | jelly | littleboy: seems so, even though it's at least 3 languages now |
| 06:27.11 | dendrite | deb_noob: man chroot? |
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| 06:27.32 | erle | nick eap |
| 06:27.33 | littleboy | yeah, well anyway, we still can understand each other l;) |
| 06:28.20 | jelly | inetnum: 87.250.102.0 - 87.250.102.255 |
| 06:28.28 | itchi | deb_noob: Look on the debian's wiki about it |
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| 06:28.54 | liable | deb_noob: whats the actual problem? |
| 06:29.07 | littleboy | yeah, i'm from ... Bosnia. Well... to be more exact, from RS. |
| 06:29.27 | deb_noob | i want to run wine32 on a 64bit system |
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| 06:29.30 | jelly | littleboy: heh, whois says |
| 06:29.31 | jelly | descr: PPPoE end users in Sarajevo,BA |
| 06:29.49 | deb_noob | 64 isn't installed yet, but i want to make sure everything will work out before i switch |
| 06:29.55 | liable | deb_noob: oh, a 32bit chroot. try the guys in #debian-amd64 |
| 06:30.24 | liable | deb_noob: surely google has a ton of info on this |
| 06:30.31 | littleboy | that's not correct. |
| 06:30.35 | peterS | we wanted to have our next Debian conference in your part of the world, in Sarajevo, but in the end Edinburgh, Scotland was chosen instead |
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| 06:30.46 | littleboy | i have my own ip class...well, part of it. |
| 06:30.52 | littleboy | 192/28 |
| 06:30.56 | Arafangi1n | littleboy: So do I :) |
| 06:31.01 | liable | when is that debconf anyway? i should be in scotland in october i think |
| 06:31.04 | Arafangi1n | littleboy: I have 192.168.4.x :) |
| 06:31.05 | jelly | littleboy: w00t, the whole 14 usable ips |
| 06:31.16 | littleboy | jelly l;)) yeah l;) |
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| 06:31.29 | littleboy | gonna ask for more l;) some day. |
| 06:31.41 | peterS | littleboy: 17-23 June 2007 |
| 06:31.43 | Arafangi1n | What is "l;)"? |
| 06:31.59 | jelly | Arafangi1n: slick hairdo |
| 06:32.00 | dendrite | littleboy: I was also wondering what the 'l' in your smiley was. |
| 06:32.05 | liable | smiley face with a combover? |
| 06:32.07 | dendrite | Aaaah. |
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| 06:32.26 | Arafangi1n | jelly: I see, with the whole tub of gell? |
| 06:32.34 | jelly | Arafangi1n: or a brick |
| 06:32.36 | littleboy | haha l;) anyone who met me asked me that question .. i mean on irc. |
| 06:32.46 | littleboy | it's a ... forhead. |
| 06:32.51 | littleboy | l;) |
| 06:32.55 | peterS | Arafangi1n: make sure not to forget Tamil as spoken in India, Arabic as spoken in Tunisia, and English as spoken in Ireland |
| 06:32.58 | dendrite | =8-o |
| 06:33.05 | Arafangi1n | peterS: I did option 1 |
| 06:33.33 | jelly | peterS: wow, he sure has a real melting pot of users |
| 06:33.35 | Arafangi1n | Generating gez_ER.UTF-8@abegede at the moment. |
| 06:33.49 | peterS | Arafangi1n: yeah, that one is pretty important on your server, I'm sure |
| 06:34.00 | Arafangi1n | peterS: This isn't the server. |
| 06:34.16 | Arafangi1n | peterS: For my server I just use en_AU, en_AU.UTF-8, and C |
| 06:34.23 | jelly | Arafangi1n: dude, locales-all - GNU C Library: Precompiled locale data |
| 06:34.52 | jelly | !pol Arafangi1n |
| 06:35.12 | Arafangi1n | It'll be done before I get back after dinner, I'm sure :) |
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| 06:35.49 | jelly | !pal me |
| 06:36.42 | Roey | !pal intifada |
| 06:36.47 | Roey | *grin* |
| 06:37.03 | peterS | Arafangi1n: wow, I had to look up _both_ gez (the Geez language) _and_ ER (Eritrea). I hadn't heard of either one! |
| 06:37.15 | Roey | peterS: oh come on |
| 06:37.26 | Roey | ge'ez is the root language or Eritrean and Amharic |
| 06:37.34 | jelly | Arafangi1n: I mean, why compile it all again when you have a ready made package? |
| 06:37.46 | Roey | Arafangi1n: you speak geez?!?! |
| 06:37.56 | peterS | see, Amharic, at least I know what that is, where they speak it, and something of what the (rather huge) alphabet looks like. |
| 06:38.07 | jelly | Roey: geez, ya don't? |
| 06:38.10 | Arafangi1n | Roey: Fluently. Geeze! |
| 06:38.15 | protoss | hello |
| 06:38.24 | jelly | /nick zerg |
| 06:38.29 | protoss | hahaha |
| 06:38.51 | Roey | peterS: here in DC, all the parking lot attendents smile when you greet them with "Indemina" and thank them with "Amisegenalo" |
| 06:39.01 | Roey | (I love language) |
| 06:39.06 | peterS | but I haven't been to that whole half of Africa, so I must admit my knowledge is pretty thin |
| 06:39.40 | dendrite | Roey: Falls Church here. |
| 06:43.21 | Roey | dendrite: awesome |
| 06:43.25 | cyzie | hello , how do i install nvidai graphic card geforce go 7400 driveR? |
| 06:43.26 | Roey | dendrite: I used to live there when we came to America |
| 06:43.30 | Roey | dendrite: back in '85 |
| 06:43.33 | Roey | er, 84.5 |
| 06:43.38 | Roey | dendrite: and I work there now, too |
| 06:43.53 | Roey | dendrite: right off of exit 50 & williams drive on arilngton blvd. |
| 06:44.03 | Roey | cyzie: #nvidia knows |
| 06:44.12 | dendrite | Roey: Raytheon? |
| 06:44.33 | Roey | dendrite: heh, right across the street |
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| 06:44.44 | protoss | do we really need high-end nvidia cards in bsd/linux? |
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| 06:44.51 | Roey | I'm in the building where General Dynamic is currently (they're moving out though) |
| 06:44.55 | Roey | I'm with another ocmpany though |
| 06:44.59 | dendrite | Roey: Ah, in that building that looks like a smoky quartz crystal... |
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| 06:45.15 | Roey | dendrite: what, Williams I and II? |
| 06:45.16 | Roey | hehee |
| 06:45.19 | Roey | I LOVE that area |
| 06:45.20 | Roey | it's so nice |
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| 06:45.29 | Gokee2 | Anyone here know about linking TI calculatersand tilp? I am having a problem getting the USB cable to work in tilp it keeps giving my a error |
| 06:45.32 | Guerin | protoss: whdayamean `we', white man? |
| 06:45.43 | Roey | I love the cozy little service roads that get me to the bank without having to go on Rt. 50 |
| 06:45.53 | Roey | and which let me get to Prosperity Drive without getting on Rt. 50 |
| 06:45.53 | dendrite | Roey: :-) |
| 06:45.53 | Roey | too |
| 06:46.01 | jpinks | I'm looking for dns help please. I have a connection and ping and ssh bu IP but not by name, my dial-up ISP's dynamic DNS does not seem to be working. - Any ideas? |
| 06:46.03 | protoss | ??? |
| 06:46.05 | Roey | dendrite: I wish Gaithersburg werelike that |
| 06:46.18 | Guerin | jpinks: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 06:46.20 | dendrite | Roey: What kind of work? You hiring? |
| 06:46.27 | Roey | dendrite: information security! |
| 06:46.39 | Roey | we hack government computers for fun and profit!</russian accent> |
| 06:46.49 | protoss | ... |
| 06:46.52 | dendrite | Roey: Sounds like fun! |
| 06:46.55 | peterS | we heard that |
| 06:47.17 | jpinks | Guerin: thanks -- reading ..... |
| 06:47.22 | Roey | dendrite: we have a few branches; operations, certification & accreditation ("C&A") and vulnerability assessments in general |
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| 06:47.55 | Roey | "a-ok" by the new definition of what exactly is legal for the Government to do? |
| 06:48.03 | Roey | dendrite: note: I am not liberal |
| 06:48.17 | Roey | dendrite: so it's a-ok with me. Find them terr'ists, kill em good. |
| 06:48.35 | dendrite | Roey: Well, I'll steer clear of a political discussion here... |
| 06:48.39 | Roey | oh, ok |
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| 06:48.46 | Roey | dendrite: so what's yourbackground? |
| 06:48.52 | Roey | you work across the street? |
| 06:48.57 | dendrite | Roey: May I PM you? |
| 06:49.05 | Roey | sure! |
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| 06:49.24 | jelly | !confuse protoss |
| 06:49.24 | Roey | tip: google for "angela" "Shangri-La" -- it's a wonderful anime track |
| 06:49.24 | dpkg | Yes, those are your hamster today, protoss? shirts of the monarchy of micronesia with extra herring |
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| 06:52.05 | dendrite | Mmmm. Extra herring. |
| 06:52.13 | erle | whowas eap |
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| 06:54.16 | Guerin | yeah, herring FTW |
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| 06:55.00 | liable | stinky! |
| 06:55.16 | Guerin | depends on the herring |
| 06:55.16 | dendrite | jelly: And a parade of penguins in tow? |
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| 06:55.36 | Guerin | jelly: you could have little cowrie-shell buttons! |
| 06:55.45 | dendrite | Awwwww. |
| 06:56.12 | jelly | dendrite: can penguins swim up to, er, down to micronesia? |
| 06:56.32 | jelly | maybe is their Foreigner's Legion |
| 06:56.45 | stoned | where is micronesia |
| 06:56.57 | jelly | modem |
| 06:56.57 | Guerin | stoned: west of polynesia |
| 06:57.06 | Cyis | gotta hate moving hosting providers... having to get everything setup on the new one just so |
| 06:57.06 | stoned | where is polynesia |
| 06:57.09 | Guerin | and southeast of indonesia |
| 06:57.14 | stoned | and dont' say to the east of micronesia |
| 06:57.15 | dendrite | jelly: I don't know if penguins hang in Micronesia, but it's possible, since it's in the southern hemisphere, I believe... |
| 06:57.17 | stoned | lol |
| 06:57.18 | stoned | ok |
| 06:57.19 | Guerin | i hope you know where indonesia is |
| 06:57.22 | liable | pacific |
| 06:57.27 | Guerin | dendrite: too hot |
| 06:57.28 | stoned | of course I do |
| 06:57.36 | Guerin | dendrite: they don't make it far past the North Island of NZ |
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| 06:57.38 | dendrite | Guerin: Magellanic penguins can handle heat. |
| 06:57.48 | stoned | hey |
| 06:58.04 | Guerin | dendrite: true. But most don't choose to. |
| 06:58.08 | stoned | if life began with one man, how come we have black people and asian people |
| 06:58.14 | stoned | they are way to different than the original man |
| 06:58.18 | Guerin | dendrite: i live quite near a very northern penguin colony, at about 42° north |
| 06:58.19 | stoned | nm |
| 06:58.30 | dendrite | Guerin: Nice. |
| 06:58.32 | jelly | stoned: it's called evolution |
| 06:58.38 | stoned | jelly: over 8000 yeas? |
| 06:58.39 | stoned | nah |
| 06:58.42 | Guerin | stoned: answer: it depends who you believe |
| 06:58.44 | jelly | stoned: yah. |
| 06:58.44 | jpinks | Guerin: Sorry to butt into this, but I've been rewriting /etc/resolv.conf by hand after the connection is established and it makes no difference. :/ |
| 06:58.46 | dendrite | jelly: It's called ELVIS-lution!!! |
| 06:58.50 | stoned | jelly: nah |
| 06:59.03 | stoned | that kind of evolution takes more than 8k yars |
| 06:59.05 | stoned | years* |
| 06:59.10 | stoned | damnit I can't type tonight |
| 06:59.10 | Guerin | jpinks: what servers have you been using? use 4.2.2.[123456] |
| 06:59.16 | liable | jpinks: it should.. |
| 06:59.23 | jelly | stoned: how d'ya figure, have you seen it happening? |
| 06:59.30 | jpinks | I have my own nameservers in UK |
| 06:59.37 | stoned | jelly: have you? how do you know it happened cuz of that? |
| 06:59.39 | jpinks | 193.110.88.147 |
| 07:00.20 | jpinks | I'll try again with 4.2.2.x |
| 07:00.33 | jelly | stoned: obviously because I've seen dark and yellow skinned people. |
| 07:00.40 | liable | whats the x? |
| 07:00.48 | liable | shouldnt it be 1? |
| 07:00.57 | stoned | x could be 1 |
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| 07:01.16 | stoned | x could be anything. x is like the father of algebra |
| 07:01.20 | stoned | or something |
| 07:01.28 | jelly | that's a very nice IP |
| 07:01.54 | Guerin | jpinks: it's one of the original rood namesevers, i think |
| 07:02.08 | Guerin | jelly: |
| 07:02.22 | Guerin | stoned: you're stoned, I'm jealous |
| 07:02.27 | jpinks | cool -- tyring it now |
| 07:02.42 | jpinks | I'm in New Zealand - -everything takes for ever.......... |
| 07:02.43 | stoned | I'm just being goofy |
| 07:03.03 | Guerin | jpinks: heh. Try 121.73.1.241 |
| 07:03.06 | stoned | course I'm not really serious or being sarcastic or anything |
| 07:03.13 | Guerin | jpinks: it's in Wellington, and I run it so I know it works |
| 07:03.23 | Guerin | stoned: no, really? |
| 07:03.59 | stoned | hehe |
| 07:04.13 | jpinks | Guerin: 4.2.2.1 and 168.126.63.1 don't work...... :( |
| 07:04.37 | dendrite | jpinks: Do you have a packet filter set up on this machine? |
| 07:05.01 | Guerin | jpinks: what does host debian.org 121.73.1.214; say? |
| 07:05.27 | jpinks | domain.name could not be found |
| 07:06.00 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:06.17 | Guerin | jpinks: ok, your dns queries aren't getting out |
| 07:06.18 | jpinks | dendrite: don't know - - i'm a noob |
| 07:06.28 | dendrite | jpinks: Ah. Then never mind, probably not. |
| 07:06.38 | Guerin | jpinks: if you're running a firewall, rutn it off; if you're behind a router or something, make it forward udp packets |
| 07:06.43 | Guerin | jpinks: else call the isp |
| 07:06.50 | Guerin | s/rutn/turn/ |
| 07:07.06 | jpinks | I have managed to get debian running on my laptop and ppp |
| 07:07.16 | jpinks | but that's about the limit of my expertise...... |
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| 07:07.31 | jpinks | Guerin: how can I tell if there's a firewall |
| 07:07.58 | Guerin | jpinks: do you run on? |
| 07:08.01 | Guerin | one |
| 07:08.03 | dendrite | jpinks: Pastebin your /etc/resolv.conf file somewhere? |
| 07:08.12 | dendrite | !paste |
| 07:08.13 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 07:08.27 | dendrite | jpinks: Or http://pastebin.ca/ works ... |
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| 07:08.40 | jpinks | dentrite: which version -- mine or the one pppd writes when it connects? |
| 07:08.48 | Guerin | not relevant |
| 07:08.57 | Guerin | your dns queries aren't getting out |
| 07:08.57 | dendrite | jpinks: The one you're now trying to debug. |
| 07:09.17 | Guerin | if they were, then host domain.name dns.ser.ver.add would work |
| 07:09.18 | dendrite | Guerin: Not relevant unless there's a syntax error. |
| 07:09.20 | jpinks | Guerin: How can I tell if there's a firewall? |
| 07:09.24 | Guerin | dendrite: nope. |
| 07:09.26 | dendrite | Guerin: Ah, true. |
| 07:09.30 | Guerin | jpinks: do you run a firewall? |
| 07:10.31 | dendrite | jpinks: By the way, after you get this DNS sorted, (and you will, I'm sure), you can tell ppp to not clobber your /etc/resolv.conf when it connects. |
| 07:10.36 | jpinks | I've looked through dmesg and I can see nothing that looks like a firewall being established |
| 07:10.57 | Guerin | jpinks: ok. Call your ISP and make them give you a nameserver which works. |
| 07:11.02 | Guerin | hm, wait |
| 07:11.08 | Guerin | that won't work either |
| 07:11.19 | jpinks | the ISP nameservers work just fine with XP (spit) |
| 07:11.29 | Guerin | this is definitely a problem with your ppp connection |
| 07:11.45 | jpinks | I used pppconfig to set it up |
| 07:11.48 | dendrite | jpinks: You said you can ping by IP address? |
| 07:11.52 | jpinks | and I use pon/poff to make it |
| 07:12.01 | jpinks | I can ping and ssh by IP |
| 07:12.11 | jpinks | but now by name |
| 07:12.16 | jpinks | *not |
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| 07:12.22 | dendrite | libc issue? |
| 07:12.28 | liable | ppp connections dont use resolv.conf |
| 07:12.31 | jpinks | wtf is that? |
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| 07:12.45 | liable | err |
| 07:12.47 | stoned | point to point protocol |
| 07:12.49 | dendrite | jpinks: Just me thinking aloud. |
| 07:12.56 | jpinks | :) |
| 07:13.05 | Guerin | liable: oh, rilly? |
| 07:13.22 | dendrite | jpinks: What flavor of Debian are you running? |
| 07:13.54 | jpinks | sarge |
| 07:13.57 | jelly | jpinks: grep usepeerdns /etc/ppp/peers/provider (or however you called the config in pppconfig) |
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| 07:14.13 | liable | Guerin: ignore me |
| 07:14.18 | Guerin | i still don't see it working, since manual host lookups don't |
| 07:14.19 | jpinks | jelly: ok - and what am I looking for? |
| 07:14.20 | liable | Guerin: not rly |
| 07:14.30 | jelly | jpinks: does it show a line? |
| 07:14.41 | Guerin | liable: argh. Do they or don't they? |
| 07:14.52 | liable | Guerin: they do |
| 07:15.02 | Guerin | dialup has always Just Worked for me (except on win95 and openbsd) |
| 07:15.11 | liable | jpinks: what does syslog say about your ppp connection (when it connected) |
| 07:15.17 | jpinks | johnp@laptop:~$ grep usepeerdns /etc/ppp/peers/52cross |
| 07:15.18 | jpinks | usepeerdns |
| 07:15.34 | jelly | jpinks: ok, so at least it's configured to work |
| 07:15.55 | jpinks | liable: syslog shows the remote and local IP's and the nameservers IP's |
| 07:16.04 | jpinks | all provided by the ISP |
| 07:16.37 | dendrite | jpinks: Can you ping your ISP's nameserver by IP? |
| 07:16.39 | jelly | jpinks: do those nameservers appear in /etc/resolv.conf after the connection is set up? |
| 07:16.51 | jpinks | I have ALL: ALL in /etc/hosts.deny and ALL: LOCAL in /etc/hosts.allow |
| 07:17.20 | jpinks | I can ping the ISP nameservers and they do appear in the rewritten resolv.conf |
| 07:17.41 | Guerin | jelly: host debian.org 4.2.2.2; doesn't look the name up -> no packets are getting through; I theorise that this means tcp/icmp is working but udp isn't |
| 07:17.53 | jelly | Guerin: possible. |
| 07:18.40 | dondelelcaro | you can of course do dig +tcp debian.org @4.2.2.2; or whatever. |
| 07:18.42 | jpinks | I've managed to get connected to this IRC by making the entries in /etc/hosts manually |
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| 07:18.55 | liable | jpinks: its certainly not the dns servers problem |
| 07:18.57 | dendrite | jpinks: Have you played with setting up security stuff? |
| 07:19.12 | liable | jpinks: iptables -L |
| 07:19.24 | jpinks | dendrite: only the entries in /etc/hosts.deny and .allow |
| 07:19.29 | dendrite | jpinks: iptables -L -n |
| 07:19.40 | B_Raven | Ooooh, Etch is in RC1? |
| 07:19.47 | jelly | (iptables needs to be run as root) |
| 07:19.58 | jelly | B_Raven: no, but its installer is. |
| 07:20.06 | jpinks | yep - what am I looking for |
| 07:20.17 | jpinks | it's long... |
| 07:20.21 | dendrite | jpinks: Anything besides Policy allow |
| 07:20.25 | dendrite | Ah. Hm. |
| 07:20.27 | liable | jpinks: then you have a firewall |
| 07:20.29 | jelly | jpinks: pastebin it. |
| 07:20.29 | B_Raven | Awww. |
| 07:20.46 | dendrite | jelly: Did you install firestarter, or some other security tool? |
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| 07:21.11 | jelly | jpinks: an empty iptables would have only 8 lines output. |
| 07:21.19 | navaladi | Hi All, I have problem Resuming the movie link in wget.pls help out. |
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| 07:21.27 | Guerin | jpinks: try iptables -F; iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
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| 07:21.45 | Guerin | jpinks: which will turn your firewall off for the time being |
| 07:21.47 | navaladi | Here is the link, http://tamilfiles.net/download.aspx?todo=film&file=/A/Aalwar/Aalwar.CD.1.VCD.Rip.[TamilCinema.DK].wmv |
| 07:21.49 | jpinks | 4 entries of Chain INPUT (policy .... |
| 07:21.57 | Guerin | jpinks: just try what I said |
| 07:22.04 | Guerin | then try your dns lookup again |
| 07:22.10 | liable | now! |
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| 07:22.17 | Guerin | yesterday! |
| 07:22.20 | jelly | and again |
| 07:22.27 | Guerin | a firewall is pointless on a dial-up connectiona anyhow |
| 07:22.38 | jelly | Guerin: it's not |
| 07:22.52 | liable | you still get random scans |
| 07:23.08 | Guerin | liable: but a firewall doesn't protect the box it runs on, so ... |
| 07:23.22 | jelly | Guerin: it does, a bit |
| 07:23.26 | Guerin | jelly: ok, *I* have run NAT for other machines ove dial-up, but I'm stupid |
| 07:23.34 | Guerin | jelly: not meaningfully |
| 07:23.57 | Guerin | jelly: unless you run lots of servers which you don't want to run, in which case you ouight just turn 'em off |
| 07:24.00 | dendrite | Guerin: Well, it helps keep things from listening that don't need to be. |
| 07:24.04 | navaladi | Here the link for the error from wget http://pastebin.com/868518 |
| 07:24.10 | Guerin | dendrite: see above. |
| 07:24.13 | liable | hah, i had one laptop uding dialup then natting over its wireless to my rouer, then through ethernet to a windows box :) |
| 07:24.14 | alkerbobo | navaladi you should be able to just use wget -c the_partially_downloaded_file |
| 07:24.23 | jelly | Guerin: well, just having a local firewall prevents your sshd listening on 0.0.0.0 from being bruteforced |
| 07:24.30 | dendrite | Guerin: Yes, but sometimes stuff happens, and iptables makes a nice net. |
| 07:24.39 | Guerin | jelly: yeah, because that happens. |
| 07:24.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:24.52 | jpinks | Guerin: ok -- that worked :D |
| 07:25.19 | Guerin | this is the Handwaving School Of Security |
| 07:25.19 | Guerin | !win me |
| 07:25.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 07:25.19 | dendrite | jpinks: OK, did you install firestarter? |
| 07:25.19 | navaladi | alkerbobo - I can not able to download yaar, not the problem with resume.. |
| 07:25.19 | jpinks | dunno |
| 07:25.19 | Guerin | jpinks: ok, now you get to choose: remove the firewall, or fix it. |
| 07:25.21 | jpinks | I just installed debian |
| 07:25.30 | jpinks | I'd like to fix it |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | jpinks: ok, put it on a paster then |
| 07:25.42 | navaladi | alkerbobo - Look at this http://pastebin.com/868518 |
| 07:25.48 | jelly | Guerin: happens all the time, really... and least one doesn't get junk in auth.log ;-) |
| 07:25.59 | jpinks | Guerin: ok -- coming up |
| 07:26.04 | alkerbobo | navaladi: Ahh it's just having trouble understanding the link then |
| 07:26.17 | dendrite | My question is what created that filter set... |
| 07:26.18 | liable | jpinks: look in your menu for guarddog or firestarter |
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| 07:26.25 | Guerin | jelly: oh, attempted breakins, sure. But seriously, if your passwords are bruteforceable, you shouldn't be running a sshd. |
| 07:26.27 | navaladi | alkerbobo - What should i do now? |
| 07:27.26 | alkerbobo | navaladi: it looks like that's not an actual link to the file you want |
| 07:27.45 | alkerbobo | navaladi: it appears to be an asp page that is supposed to start a download once you submit a form on that asp page |
| 07:28.27 | jpinks | liable: what menu? I'm using XFCE .... |
| 07:28.27 | alkerbobo | navaladi: So you'd need to visit the website to find your way to the actual downloadable link |
| 07:28.28 | navaladi | alkerbobo - Any work around to get that in debian? |
| 07:28.28 | liable | jpinks: xfce has a menu... |
| 07:28.28 | jpinks | Guerin: http://pastebin.com/868522 |
| 07:28.32 | liable | jpinks: dpkg -l|grep guard |
| 07:28.53 | alkerbobo | navaladi: I don't follow. Get what in debian? You should be able to just visit that website in a browser |
| 07:29.03 | navaladi | alkerbobo - no yaar , the link is good because i can download that in firefox GUI downloader, i can resume it somehow. |
| 07:29.18 | Guerin | jpinks: that's an EMPTY firewall. You need to actually find the script and put it up, or fix it from within whatever UI it wants you to use |
| 07:29.37 | Guerin | jpinks: i recommend just forgetting about it and removing whatever retardedness blocks dns queries by default |
| 07:29.52 | navaladi | alkerbobo - but that is n't i wanted, i have to use CLI based to resume it. |
| 07:29.53 | Guerin | if it's written by people that fucking stupid it's very likely to just be a liability |
| 07:30.02 | jpinks | liable: ohnp@laptop:~$ dpkg -l|grep guard mentions GNU privacy guard -- and -- KDE System Guard Daemon |
| 07:30.51 | jpinks | Guerin: is your fix permanent? |
| 07:31.08 | dendrite | jpinks: No, that's why we need to figure out where that packet filter came from. |
| 07:31.09 | Guerin | jpinks: nope, you'll have to uninstall the program |
| 07:31.12 | Guerin | look like Lokkit |
| 07:31.36 | Guerin | which, apart from being a stupid name, deserves a merciful bullet between the eyes |
| 07:31.38 | alkerbobo | navaladi: I'm not sure what to tell you exactly, but that link you're sending to wget, doesn't point to the wmv file |
| 07:31.44 | alkerbobo | navaladi: it points to a webpage |
| 07:31.46 | jelly | I think lokkit plays nice with dialup? |
| 07:31.52 | Guerin | jelly: apparently not |
| 07:32.04 | navaladi | alkerbobo - yeah thanks alkerbobo |
| 07:32.09 | alkerbobo | navaladi: that is set up to redirect your browser to the actual file |
| 07:32.31 | alkerbobo | navaladi: So if you can figure out where the file is actually located you can wget it without a problem |
| 07:32.42 | navaladi | alkerbobo - then wget is not doing it? |
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| 07:33.01 | navaladi | alkerbobo : oh ok |
| 07:33.43 | alkerbobo | navaladi: wget will basically grab whatever you tell it to off of the internet, in this case you pointed it to a webpage, so it downloaded that webpage for you |
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| 07:34.20 | navaladi | alkerbobo - yeah , how can i figure out |
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| 07:34.34 | jelly | navaladi: you can also use a text based web browser... but they have poor support for javascript so it might not work on sites like rapidshare |
| 07:34.50 | navaladi | alkerbobo - looks like , it stops at & simple, can i replace & simple with anything? |
| 07:35.10 | navaladi | jelly - yeah |
| 07:35.20 | deb_noob | can any 64bit users tell me if there is wine in repos? |
| 07:35.29 | dendrite | navaladi: Does your url have '&' chars in it? |
| 07:35.29 | jelly | navaladi: what's your url? |
| 07:35.44 | jelly | deb_noob: have you tried #debian-amd64 ? |
| 07:35.46 | dendrite | navaladi: If so, put the url in quotes. |
| 07:35.54 | deb_noob | jelly: yes i have |
| 07:36.07 | alkerbobo | the problem is he's sending wget to a page to the effect of: |
| 07:36.19 | navaladi | http://tamilfiles.net/download.aspx?todo=film&file=/A/Aalwar/Aalwar.CD.1.VCD.Rip.[TamilCinema.DK].wmv |
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| 07:36.24 | alkerbobo | http://somewebsite.aspx?dowload=blah&file=etc |
| 07:36.25 | alkerbobo | yeah |
| 07:36.39 | navaladi | dendrite - quotes is not working. |
| 07:36.49 | deb_noob | jelly, i've tried that channel |
| 07:36.50 | dendrite | navaladi: yeah, it's redirecting. |
| 07:37.01 | Guerin | navaladi: try http://tamilfiles.net/A/Aalwar/Aalwar.CD.1.VCD.Rip.[TamilCinema.DK].wmv |
| 07:37.02 | navaladi | dendrite : for u? |
| 07:37.03 | jelly | deb_noob: if noone answers, just stay on the channel, there's a lot less users but one of them is bound to read your question sooner of later |
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| 07:37.31 | dendrite | navaladi: I'm not trying it, just looking at that url and guessing. |
| 07:37.32 | deb_noob | okayokay |
| 07:37.44 | dendrite | navaladi: Never mind. |
| 07:37.49 | hyphenex | hi gang. I need to recompile my kernel (I think) to support tuntap for hamachi to work, how would I go about doing that? |
| 07:38.09 | navaladi | dendrite - yeah thanks for trying it. |
| 07:38.19 | Guerin | hyphenex: read a kernel howto, then forget it all and use make-kpkg instead ;) |
| 07:38.20 | liable | debian kernels should have tun enabled |
| 07:38.21 | navaladi | Guerin - Not working http://tamilfiles.net/A/Aalwar/Aalwar.CD.1.VCD.Rip.[TamilCinema.DK].wmv |
| 07:38.36 | navaladi | Guerin : 23:37:29 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 07:39.13 | hyphenex | I don't know... I just installed off that net install CD |
| 07:39.24 | hyphenex | maybe it didn't have it in that cut down version? |
| 07:39.28 | liable | hyphenex: modprobe tun |
| 07:39.30 | hyphenex | is there an easy way to install tun? |
| 07:39.34 | Guerin | navaladi: oh well. UTSL. |
| 07:40.11 | hyphenex | modprobe tun worked |
| 07:40.24 | jelly | navaladi: doesn't work for me in elinks, Konqueror or Firefox 1.5.0.9 |
| 07:40.43 | alkerbobo | yeah it's some website you have to register for first |
| 07:40.58 | alkerbobo | or so it seems |
| 07:41.21 | hyphenex | tap() connect still fails |
| 07:41.25 | hyphenex | no file or directory? |
| 07:42.08 | liable | i thought tun did tap too? |
| 07:42.19 | hyphenex | this is all so confusing |
| 07:42.27 | jelly | alkerbobo: I bet it checks the referrer and does other anti-leeching stuff. |
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| 07:42.48 | alkerbobo | jelly: most likely |
| 07:42.55 | jelly | alkerbobo: works when you browse to the file in a gui browser |
| 07:42.58 | erpo | I need a desktop workspace switcher with real previews of the contents of each desktop. Any suggestions? |
| 07:43.32 | janttsu | beryl? |
| 07:43.43 | hyphenex | ok |
| 07:44.03 | erpo | janttsu: I'll check it out. Thanks. |
| 07:44.04 | navaladi | jelly : Actually this link is being forwarded to the link i posted..http://www.tamilcinema.dk/films/download.asp?filmid=769&part=1 |
| 07:44.11 | hyphenex | plan b. how do I use that make-kpkg thing so I can try and get tap in my kernel? |
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| 07:44.40 | liable | hyphenex: tap is provided by the tun module, its the program that needs to create the dev |
| 07:44.54 | liable | hyphenex: just double checked in the kernel docs.. |
| 07:45.21 | hyphenex | liable: I did modprobe tun like you said, but hamachi still won't start without complaining about having no tap |
| 07:45.27 | liable | When a program opens /dev/net/tun, driver creates and registers corresponding net device tunX or tapX. |
| 07:45.39 | navaladi | dendrite : any idea? |
| 07:46.03 | liable | hyphenex: dunno, check docs for hamachi |
| 07:46.08 | hyphenex | liable: sorry, I'm lost... so how do I go about getting hamachi to work |
| 07:46.23 | liable | hyphenex: i dont even know what hamachi is.. |
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| 07:47.53 | hyphenex | ok, I'm looking at the docs now |
| 07:48.03 | hyphenex | ... and don't know what version of the kernel I'm running |
| 07:48.17 | Supaplex | man uname |
| 07:48.43 | liable | hyphenex: uname -r |
| 07:48.47 | hyphenex | Thanks 2.6 |
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| 07:49.02 | hyphenex | so... where is the kernel source tree? |
| 07:49.10 | hyphenex | apparently there's a text file in there for me to read |
| 07:49.37 | hyphenex | tuncfg: cannot stat() /dev/net/tun -- No such file or directory |
| 07:49.39 | hyphenex | tuncfg: visit http://www.hamachi.cc/tuntap for more information |
| 07:50.44 | Guerin | hyphenex: if you install linux-headers-$(uname -r), it will be in /usr/src/something |
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| 07:51.16 | resistance | how can i tell what ports a listening on my machine? |
| 07:51.18 | hyphenex | Guerin: so I use 'apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)'? |
| 07:51.24 | liable | hyphenex: do you have udev installed? |
| 07:51.32 | hyphenex | liable: I don't know |
| 07:51.43 | hyphenex | resistance: netstat |
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| 07:52.37 | liable | if the dev isnt there, looks like not |
| 07:53.33 | hyphenex | liable: I've got /etc/udev |
| 07:53.50 | resistance | can anyone tell me why after i've shut postfix down, my server is still accepting smtp connections, sendmail is not install but HELO says sendmail oo? |
| 07:53.57 | liable | hyphenex: have you got /dev/net/tun |
| 07:54.56 | Supaplex | how do I boot grub to a cd? (from hda) |
| 07:55.01 | Guerin | resistance: netstat -plaunt |grep :25 |
| 07:55.10 | Guerin | Supaplex: mm, can you? |
| 07:55.17 | Guerin | Supaplex: that would be cool if you can |
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| 07:55.31 | Supaplex | yes, now it's time to shoot qemu. :-/ |
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| 07:57.41 | hyphenex_ | sorry, I got disconnected |
| 07:57.53 | hyphenex_ | liable: I havn't got the /dev/net directory |
| 07:57.57 | resistance | Guerin: what is inetd |
| 07:59.03 | hyphenex_ | resistance: If you want help on something like a command, 'man inetd' generally gives good information |
| 07:59.59 | liable | hyphenex_: hrm, i dont recall having to make that on this box. mkdir /dev/net; mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200;chmod 0666 /dev/net/tun |
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| 08:00.21 | resistance | inetd is listening on port 25, could this be why my server is still accepting smtp connections |
| 08:00.22 | jelly | hyphenex: is kernel module tun loaded? |
| 08:00.42 | hyphenex | jelly, how do I tell? |
| 08:00.44 | Guerin | resistance: inetd is a service which starts other services on demans |
| 08:00.45 | Guerin | d |
| 08:00.50 | Guerin | so, yes, it would |
| 08:00.51 | liable | though i do remember making it on my other laptop to get qemu qorking |
| 08:00.51 | jelly | hyphenex: lsmod|grep tun |
| 08:01.02 | Guerin | resistance: edit /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 08:01.24 | liable | hyphenex: i thought you said you loaded the module? |
| 08:01.39 | hyphenex | liable: That big command you gave me seemed to have done the trick |
| 08:01.48 | hyphenex | I'll need to do that ever time after reeboot, right? |
| 08:02.13 | liable | if you have udev, i'm not sure actually, quite possibly. |
| 08:02.36 | liable | though it may save it |
| 08:02.40 | jelly | # This file does not exist. Please do not ask the debian maintainer about it. |
| 08:02.41 | jelly | # You may use it to do strange and wonderful things, at your risk. |
| 08:02.45 | liable | i am surprised it didnt make it for you |
| 08:02.55 | liable | ah |
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| 08:03.40 | deb_noob | is ia64 debian for amd64? |
| 08:03.48 | jelly | and it was in there, making udev create directories and devices even though no modules are loaded |
| 08:03.48 | liable | hyphenex: though i didnt have to do it for this box.. so you might be lucky, i think udev does save devs at shutdown |
| 08:03.58 | jelly | deb_noob: no |
| 08:04.07 | deb_noob | what is it? |
| 08:04.12 | hyphenex | liable: Thanks, I'll give it a try soon, I'm just going to save that to a script first |
| 08:04.14 | jelly | deb_noob: amd64 is amd64 |
| 08:04.24 | deb_noob | is it the 64bit version? |
| 08:04.46 | jelly | deb_noob: ia64 is Itanium |
| 08:05.01 | deb_noob | well there isn't an amd64 anywhere on the netinstall page |
| 08:05.08 | liable | jelly: do you know what the M flag is in that file? |
| 08:05.15 | deb_noob | can i install it and just switch the kernels? |
| 08:05.23 | jelly | liable: "make it?" No idea ;-) |
| 08:05.30 | liable | hyphenex: do you have that file that jelly was talking about? |
| 08:05.47 | deb_noob | jelly, can i install it and just switch the kernels? |
| 08:05.48 | liable | jelly: udev is still kinda voodoo to me :) |
| 08:06.16 | jelly | liable: D is obviously directory and M looks like a definition for mknod |
| 08:06.33 | jelly | liable: I have about the same knowledge of udev |
| 08:06.42 | jelly | liable: pretty much none |
| 08:07.05 | jelly | deb_noob: which one? |
| 08:07.16 | deb_noob | ia64 |
| 08:07.24 | jelly | deb_noob: no dude, that's not a pc. |
| 08:07.35 | liable | jelly: yeah, i would say your guess looks about right for the flags, wonder why he didnt have /dev/net.. |
| 08:07.47 | jelly | deb_noob: you're looking for amd64. |
| 08:08.25 | deb_noob | there aren't any amd64 net installers? |
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| 08:08.32 | jelly | deb_noob: on which page? |
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| 08:08.48 | deb_noob | www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 08:09.07 | liable | !d-i deb_noob |
| 08:09.07 | dpkg | deb_noob, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 08:09.20 | connecta | can someone tell me why it is important to write shell scripts as a superuser (question on a test). I don't know because it seems like it doesnt really matter who you write it as right? |
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| 08:09.26 | liable | deb_noob: the second link |
| 08:09.40 | jelly | connecta: you ar right. |
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| 08:10.03 | connecta | jelly: thanks, so if there was a reason, what would it be? |
| 08:10.06 | liable | but it will run as owner? |
| 08:10.08 | jelly | connecta: ... the second part i right, I mean. |
| 08:10.18 | deb_noob | thanks |
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| 08:10.28 | smhar | hello |
| 08:10.39 | jelly | connecta: can't think of one. Maybe it's a misquote or taken out of some strange context. |
| 08:10.50 | connecta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.40 | smhar | my system si getting very slow, and I think it is because many services are running in the background, is there an application to list and allow me to stop them? I am using etch |
| 08:11.56 | liable | htop |
| 08:12.30 | jelly | connecta: It would make more sense as s/writing/executing/ |
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| 08:13.08 | connecta | im just going to say, The important thing when writing scripts are the file permissions. A script cannot be executed and tested until the proper permissions are set. To set permissions on such a file, it's best to be in superuser mode. |
| 08:13.22 | Guerin | well, no |
| 08:13.27 | Guerin | that's pure bullshit |
| 08:13.32 | Guerin | and insecure to boot |
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| 08:13.47 | Guerin | never write scripts as super-user |
| 08:14.15 | jelly | connecta: you can write them anywhere and set appropriate ownership and permissions later. |
| 08:14.24 | connecta | well this professor says different (not my professor, the professor whowrote the test |
| 08:14.26 | Guerin | if you need to *test* them as root, sure, but Best practice is to prepend anything that might get executed with `echo' until it's working how you want it to |
| 08:14.45 | Guerin | connecta: the professor is simplifying things for dumb students, or is dumb himself |
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| 08:14.55 | Guerin | you get to choose whether to be dumb as well |
| 08:15.05 | connecta | yah thats what i thought, but to answer his question, i simply put what i wrote above, and added that "however, scripts can be written by any user and permissions can be changed afterward. |
| 08:15.40 | Guerin | seems fair |
| 08:16.27 | hark | a trick question? |
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| 08:22.36 | jelly | 42 |
| 08:23.28 | liable | 7 |
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| 08:23.39 | hark | !42 |
| 08:23.39 | scx | hark: egg or chicken? |
| 08:23.40 | dpkg | i guess 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 08:23.57 | stew | egg |
| 08:24.01 | jelly | "Define the purpose" sounds to me more like "create a scenario where doing this would make sense" |
| 08:24.14 | hark | man, excessive information there.. |
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| 08:24.22 | scx | anything has a pourpose? |
| 08:25.46 | jelly | scx: define: a porpoise |
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| 08:26.25 | liable | swimming mammal considered quite intelligent |
| 08:26.50 | scx | jelly: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3A+porpoise&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 08:26.58 | Palish | quite intelligent and tasty too! |
| 08:27.13 | scx | jelly fish is not that smart though |
| 08:27.18 | jelly | cheater |
| 08:28.16 | jelly | so long, and thanks for all the fish |
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| 08:33.15 | liable | must be close to beer o clock |
| 08:33.59 | stew | dude you missed it by quite a while |
| 08:34.18 | liable | heh, not here, tis only 1733 |
| 08:36.11 | scx | this bot is the best :0 |
| 08:36.17 | scx | :) |
| 08:36.23 | stew | 03:36 |
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| 08:37.11 | liable | stew: thats still beer time if you havent gone to bed yet :) |
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| 08:37.26 | liable | if you just woke up, thats a different story |
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| 08:41.35 | xpurple | Which version of gcc should I install? |
| 08:41.51 | xpurple | 2.95, 3.3 or 3.4? |
| 08:42.45 | jelly | xpurple: whichever the default in your release is |
| 08:42.58 | jelly | xpurple: just install gcc |
| 08:43.05 | xpurple | Ahh, 3.3 |
| 08:43.11 | xpurple | Cool, so simple I missed it. |
| 08:43.39 | xpurple | I installed woody on my iBook. So far so good, but the airport card tends to stop working from time to time. |
| 08:43.57 | xpurple | I'm sure I'll get it figured out. |
| 08:44.00 | jelly | xpurple: if you're going to use it to build stuff from sources, you can also install build-essential |
| 08:44.23 | xpurple | Nice |
| 08:44.25 | liable | xpurple: why woody? its not supported anymore (security wise) |
| 08:44.29 | xpurple | Err, sarge |
| 08:44.35 | xpurple | The latest. |
| 08:44.37 | xpurple | That was my error :) |
| 08:44.41 | xpurple | I ran woody for so long. |
| 08:45.04 | xpurple | I only plan to compile a few programs that are not in the apt system. |
| 08:45.12 | xpurple | mplayer being the big one. |
| 08:45.26 | xpurple | xv as well. |
| 08:46.04 | jelly | xpurple: there are good third party repositories fro mplayer |
| 08:46.05 | liable | xpurple: you can get it from debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:46.10 | scx | marillat |
| 08:46.14 | xpurple | For PPC? |
| 08:46.22 | jelly | possibly |
| 08:46.28 | liable | hrm, dunno for ppc actually |
| 08:46.37 | jelly | elinks www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:46.38 | scx | don't thik so |
| 08:46.47 | liable | me either |
| 08:46.55 | jelly | 18/10/2006 : |
| 08:46.55 | jelly | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.10 | liable | \0/ |
| 08:47.14 | Guerin | yeah, mplayer is for ppc |
| 08:47.20 | Guerin | only w32codecs ain't |
| 08:47.28 | Guerin | no great loss |
| 08:47.29 | scx | as far as I know thos dlls doesn't run in ppc |
| 08:47.36 | scx | lol, |
| 08:47.36 | jelly | mplayer is for teh win! |
| 08:47.36 | xpurple | Right |
| 08:47.57 | liable | i have started to prefer vlc now |
| 08:48.01 | Gathond | they definetely does not run, as they are ia32 binaries, you might be able to emulate that somehow I suppose |
| 08:48.04 | liable | when the fucker works properly |
| 08:48.13 | xpurple | mplayer is faster. |
| 08:48.24 | Guerin | xpurple: eh? |
| 08:48.25 | xpurple | My desktop is a Duron 750mhz. Speed matters :) |
| 08:48.44 | scx | xine is very good also |
| 08:48.47 | Guerin | no |
| 08:48.51 | xpurple | no? |
| 08:48.51 | Guerin | xine is a POS |
| 08:48.53 | scx | a bit slower but not that much |
| 08:48.57 | cyzie | if there is a page shows howto install driver for the laptop devices? |
| 08:48.58 | Guerin | !qotd82 |
| 08:48.58 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
| 08:49.05 | jelly | point of sale? |
| 08:49.08 | Guerin | xpurple: ↑ |
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| 08:49.12 | Guerin | piece of shite |
| 08:49.17 | Guerin | no, that's too harsh |
| 08:49.20 | Guerin | xine is ok |
| 08:49.22 | liable | cyzie: depends on the device |
| 08:49.29 | Guerin | just not as good as vlc or mplayer |
| 08:49.33 | scx | what that bot is made of? |
| 08:49.40 | Guerin | scx: perl and madness |
| 08:49.42 | scx | postgre + perl? |
| 08:49.46 | jelly | perl code and mysql database |
| 08:49.46 | liable | 0's and 1's |
| 08:49.48 | scx | oh? |
| 08:49.49 | Guerin | in roughly equal measures |
| 08:49.54 | Guerin | scx: mysql |
| 08:49.56 | scx | err: oh! |
| 08:50.25 | scx | :) |
| 08:50.37 | jelly | hash tables with sql API! |
| 08:50.41 | cyzie | liable, have bluetooth, nvidia , infrafred, remote control, firewire, card reader, 56k modem, monitor out |
| 08:51.00 | liable | heh |
| 08:51.04 | liable | thats quite a list |
| 08:51.26 | jelly | cyzie: say hi to infrafred |
| 08:51.35 | cyzie | LOL |
| 08:51.38 | cyzie | infrared ;) |
| 08:51.54 | liable | bluetooth should be ok, infrared too (who uses that?) firewire also ok, card reader prolly, modem (if your lucky) |
| 08:51.56 | jelly | eh, no superheroes |
| 08:51.57 | Guerin | cyzie: ir == remote control; firewire Just Works; nvidia Just Works, monitor out Just Workd |
| 08:52.00 | Guerin | s |
| 08:52.06 | cyzie | liable, exactly. so im looking for a page that show hwoto install for these devices |
| 08:52.07 | Guerin | xpurple: eeew |
| 08:52.23 | liable | cyzie: you wont find it all in one place |
| 08:52.26 | jelly | xpurple: didn't you hear? zsh is in, tcsh is out |
| 08:52.28 | karsten | xpurple: ye gads. bash is so much better... |
| 08:52.34 | xpurple | Guerin: I worked at a place for years that used tcsh for everything. With vi keybindings. It was creepy. |
| 08:52.42 | karsten | xpurple: Yeah, what jelly said, try zsh if you're a c-type. |
| 08:52.43 | Guerin | cyzie: the onyl ones you need to look at are the bluetooth, the modem (give up now), and maybe the reader, if it's not a virtual UMS device |
| 08:52.50 | Guerin | xpurple: noes! |
| 08:53.00 | Guerin | xpurple: sounds like Uberkeley |
| 08:53.02 | cyzie | UMS ? |
| 08:53.05 | xpurple | heh |
| 08:53.09 | Guerin | cyzie: usb mass storage |
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| 08:53.31 | Guerin | cyzie: what laptop? |
| 08:53.34 | cyzie | okie.. |
| 08:53.57 | cyzie | Guerin, HP pavilion DV6126TX |
| 08:54.09 | Guerin | cyzie: linux-laptop.net |
| 08:54.22 | Guerin | and also google that model number and `linux' |
| 08:55.03 | xpurple | Ahh, much better. |
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| 08:55.10 | xpurple | I'll play with zsh at a later time. |
| 08:55.12 | cyzie | Your search - dv6126tx debian - did not match any documents. |
| 08:55.17 | cyzie | LOL |
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| 08:55.35 | larsl | Is Glade 3 packaged for Debian? The only Glade packages I find with apt-cache search seem to be version 2 or earlier. |
| 08:56.59 | xpurple | Oh yeah, any ideas on how I can emulate three buttons with an apple one button mouse? |
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| 08:57.41 | Freenet | hello |
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| 08:57.48 | cyzie | http://forum.notebookreview.com/member.php?s=e51764b519d908b077640d630a996f86&u=45042 // only found this dude has the same model as i |
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| 08:59.13 | Freenet | I'm newbie and i havent aknowloedge with Linux OS so do you think Debian is better for me to start with? |
| 08:59.40 | schme` | Freenet: Yes. |
| 08:59.42 | xpurple | Freenet: Debian is a good start. |
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| 08:59.50 | Gathond | better than what? |
| 08:59.59 | Gathond | better is not an absolute:) |
| 09:00.07 | Freenet | than other distro! |
| 09:00.14 | Freenet | as i'm newbie! |
| 09:00.18 | nayyares | OT- i want to download richard stallman videos, is there any repository? |
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| 09:00.30 | xpurple | nayyares: I have a few! |
| 09:00.41 | hark | heh |
| 09:00.43 | schme` | geek porn |
| 09:00.46 | xpurple | hehehe |
| 09:00.48 | nayyares | xpurple, you have on net? |
| 09:00.52 | xpurple | I do not. |
| 09:01.03 | navaladi | Guys, Is there any way to tell firefox to use different IP address, Because proxy is not allowing my address. |
| 09:01.08 | nayyares | xpurple, where i can get it |
| 09:01.18 | Gokee2 | Freenet, Debian is awsome, some new people like ubuntu (debain based), I am glad I started with debian though. |
| 09:01.19 | xpurple | I do have I do have Revolution.OS-2001-About.the.rise.of.FSF-GNU-Linux--DVDRip-XviD.avi |
| 09:01.29 | xpurple | nayyares: Check btjunkie |
| 09:01.30 | navaladi | I can n't set IP because i m not admin. |
| 09:01.30 | Freenet | so what the last release of Debian? |
| 09:01.49 | karsten | Freenet: There hasn't been one yet. |
| 09:01.49 | xpurple | Freenet: sarge |
| 09:01.58 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:01.59 | karsten | Freenet: ... the latest stable release is sarge. |
| 09:02.15 | karsten | Guerin: Straight out of the Economist's style guide. |
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| 09:02.24 | Guerin | karsten: heh |
| 09:02.29 | Freenet | Gokkee2: they adviced me to start with ubuntu and i downloaded it(1CD) but dunno if thats right choices to start as im newbie! |
| 09:02.35 | Guerin | karsten: The Economist has its own style guide? |
| 09:02.40 | xpurple | I do not like ubuntu |
| 09:02.43 | karsten | Guerin: yep. |
| 09:02.46 | Guerin | karsten: sorry, you've started me on a rant |
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| 09:03.01 | xpurple | ubuntu is like debain, but with all the meat taken out. |
| 09:03.05 | xpurple | Plus it uses gnome by default. |
| 09:03.09 | karsten | Guerin: Rich and right ;-) |
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| 09:03.30 | karsten | Guerin: http://www.economist.com/research/StyleGuide/ |
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| 09:03.41 | Guerin | karsten: why the FUCK does every journal have a slightly different style, requiring a different 100k latex document made up mostly of punctuation to format a freaking document for? |
| 09:03.54 | karsten | Guerin: Why do websites use stylesheets? |
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| 09:03.56 | Guerin | this question is rhetorical, but ... |
| 09:03.57 | Freenet | :s so ? |
| 09:04.13 | Guerin | karsten: i mean, why can't they just agree on one fucking style |
| 09:04.53 | Guerin | this irks me because the prof who'll be marking my MA next year requires MODIFIED oxford citation style, and a few other things |
| 09:05.00 | Gokee2 | Freenet, If you have a ubuntu disk around you might want to have fun with it at least until you get real debian. But if you do you need to go to #ubuntu to get help.... |
| 09:05.15 | Guerin | which mean I can ALMOST get there with jurabib/jox, but not quite |
| 09:05.47 | xpurple | Freenet: My wife used ubuntu for quite a while and loved it. |
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| 09:07.13 | Freenet | ok i think i ll start wit it and when ill get some bases & aknowledges i ll use Debian ! |
| 09:07.17 | danf_1979 | My mom uses ubuntu... |
| 09:07.27 | Guerin | my mum uses debian |
| 09:07.33 | Freenet | thanks ! |
| 09:07.33 | Guerin | so does my sister and my wife |
| 09:07.36 | xpurple | Freenet: ubuntu and debian are pretty similar at some levels. |
| 09:07.44 | Guerin | but my brother uses windows, he's a graphic designer |
| 09:07.44 | xpurple | My mom uses WinXP :( |
| 09:08.08 | xpurple | She likes Excel too much to switch. |
| 09:08.14 | scx | buy a Mac! |
| 09:08.15 | maddash | my frog uses gentoo |
| 09:08.18 | larsl | xpurple: Has she tried gnumeric? |
| 09:08.25 | xpurple | larsl: no |
| 09:08.26 | Guerin | maddash: my fish uses a bicycle! |
| 09:08.34 | scx | gnumeric is nasty |
| 09:08.40 | maddash | Guerin: I tip my hat to you, sir. |
| 09:08.41 | larsl | It's supposed to be almost completely compatible with Excel. |
| 09:08.50 | Guerin | yeah, unfortunately, gnumeric ain't a patch on excel |
| 09:08.55 | xpurple | Nice |
| 09:09.08 | Guerin | which is saying something, since excel is an abomination |
| 09:09.10 | scx | use Wine man |
| 09:09.12 | maddash | xpurple: openoffice-calc? |
| 09:09.15 | Gokee2 | xpurple, Get her crossover office exel runs great :) |
| 09:09.20 | xpurple | ooo |
| 09:09.27 | Gokee2 | excel* |
| 09:09.32 | xpurple | She tried OO for a while, but said it wasn't the same. |
| 09:09.36 | scx | without crossover, with just wine you can make it run smoothly |
| 09:09.39 | Guerin | xpurple: no shit |
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| 09:09.50 | Freenet | when they launch the last release of Debian?i think it's 'etch' |
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| 09:10.02 | xpurple | Freenet: When it's good and ready. |
| 09:10.06 | scx | we had it that way @job |
| 09:10.07 | YaleR | trying to install nvidia binary driver, it tells me I don't have my libc header files? I have my kernel headers, and libc installed - what am I missing |
| 09:10.12 | Gokee2 | Freenet, Start with stable! |
| 09:10.28 | maddash | YaleR: maybe a symbolic link? |
| 09:10.29 | xpurple | s/stable/stale |
| 09:10.30 | Guerin | YaleR: build-essential |
| 09:10.30 | Freenet | xpurple:lol good answer :p |
| 09:10.43 | Gokee2 | Night all |
| 09:10.51 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:10.54 | YaleR | Guerin: niceeee |
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| 09:11.13 | xpurple | Stable is good though. |
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| 09:11.40 | concept10 | good enough for a server |
| 09:11.40 | xpurple | Yep |
| 09:11.46 | xpurple | I run it on my server. |
| 09:12.03 | xpurple | http://typewriter.xpurple.com |
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| 09:12.05 | Zap-W | is there a reason why it's a custom to create a swap space 1.5-2x times the system memory |
| 09:12.20 | xpurple | Zap-W: That's the old rule of thumb. |
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| 09:12.27 | Freenet | so if i download the 'sarge'release i just need to make update to be like 'etch'release?(when they lauch it of curse) |
| 09:12.43 | xpurple | Freenet: Yes, the apt system will help you upgrade to the latest release when it's ready. |
| 09:13.13 | Guerin | Zap-W: for machines with suspend-to-disk, swap must be greater than ram to use it as a suspend space |
| 09:13.23 | Guerin | (ignoring swapfiles) |
| 09:13.38 | Guerin | but the main reason is just `that's a useful size' |
| 09:13.52 | larsl | My sources.list sources say "etch", not "testing" - I assume that means that it will be pulling packages from the stable repositories when Etch becomes Stable? |
| 09:14.01 | Freenet | ok thank you all for your help n advices:) |
| 09:14.12 | xpurple | larsl: Yes |
| 09:14.15 | Guerin | ~etch upgrade path |
| 09:14.20 | Guerin | !etch upgrade path |
| 09:14.20 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades will work once etch has stabilised: If your sources.list says "sarge" you'll stay with sarge. If it says "etch", you'll upgrade to etch. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to etch, the new stable. If it says "testing", your etch boxwill upgrade to lenny, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 09:14.45 | xpurple | dpkg: How do I get winning lottery numbers? |
| 09:15.02 | larsl | xpurple: Use the N first primes. |
| 09:15.07 | xpurple | Ahh |
| 09:15.13 | scx | !lotto |
| 09:15.18 | larsl | xpurple: It won't increase your chances, but if you do win it will be really really cool. |
| 09:15.24 | xpurple | roffle |
| 09:15.33 | Guerin | larsl: and you'll have to share the prize with 10 other geeks |
| 09:15.39 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 09:15.42 | scx | heuristics ? |
| 09:15.46 | Freenet | !msg the bot>Freenet |
| 09:15.52 | Guerin | people who can do math don't play games of chance |
| 09:15.52 | Zap-W | Guerin: useful size? what you mean |
| 09:16.12 | Zap-W | Guerin: what happens if i make it 1.6 size the ram ? |
| 09:16.15 | scx | then I don't know math |
| 09:16.28 | Guerin | Zap-W: it's generally useful at that size. Not so big you miss the drive space, not so small you commonly use it all. |
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| 09:16.47 | Guerin | Zap-W: sure, make it 1.314 times your ram for all I care |
| 09:17.07 | xpurple | No, no. It must be 3.14x the ram! |
| 09:17.28 | Guerin | bah, that was my typing |
| 09:17.59 | liable | hrm, does it actually have to be bigger than ram, or just bigger than used ram? |
| 09:18.02 | liable | Guerin: ^^ |
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| 09:18.10 | liable | swap, for suspending.. |
| 09:18.25 | xpurple | You don't need swap at all really. |
| 09:18.33 | scx | wha's bad with too much ram? isn't as much ram better? |
| 09:18.40 | Guerin | liable: unsure. I would guess the latter, since it's compressable and would probably be a sparse file |
| 09:18.44 | liable | thats something i never considered, i guess a swapfile is useless for suspend to disk |
| 09:18.51 | liable | Guerin: yeah |
| 09:19.04 | Guerin | liable: yeah, but suspend2 can suspend to a file, so ... |
| 09:19.20 | liable | Guerin: ah, correct, swusp doesnt though |
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| 09:19.34 | liable | suspend2 isnt in debian kernels yet is it? |
| 09:20.00 | xpurple | How good is suspend to disk? I've never tried it. |
| 09:20.06 | Freenet | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:20.23 | liable | xpurple: its ok, seeing as it saves state, but not so fast |
| 09:20.27 | Guerin | xpurple: awesome |
| 09:20.31 | liable | Freenet: it should |
| 09:20.33 | Guerin | xpurple: i speak of suspend2 |
| 09:20.33 | xpurple | I'll try it. |
| 09:20.35 | xpurple | Ahh |
| 09:20.45 | Guerin | xpurple: which isn't in mainline (yet) |
| 09:20.49 | Guerin | but it's choice |
| 09:20.52 | xpurple | I'll use my old testing laptop. A P150 with 48 megs of ram :) |
| 09:21.03 | Guerin | you do have to tell some drivers and such to unload, but it's ok |
| 09:21.08 | Freenet | yeah sorry! |
| 09:21.12 | liable | i need to get that shit working on this box, but i think fglrx is the bastard |
| 09:21.32 | Guerin | liable: yeah, binary stuff is the hate |
| 09:21.53 | Guerin | i think my ipw2100 doesn't like it because of firmware |
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| 09:23.00 | karsten | Guerin: There are a number of relatively widely adopted styles. |
| 09:23.01 | liable | havent heard of that problem, though i got ipw3945, but that should be sortable in the suspend conf files |
| 09:23.12 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, a very large number. |
| 09:23.12 | liable | xpurple: full of fibre? |
| 09:23.13 | karsten | Guerin: Eg: AP style. |
| 09:23.24 | karsten | Guerin: ... which has its own distinct set of annoyances. |
| 09:23.25 | xpurple | liable: Well, bits and bytes really. |
| 09:23.30 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, APA, MLA, Chicago, Oxford, and some others |
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| 09:23.45 | karsten | Guerin: Why can't there be just One True Linux Distro? |
| 09:24.00 | Guerin | karsten: but then each journal has its own ... and worse, some have a style which is *almost* the same as another |
| 09:24.19 | xpurple | I think it's the same problem. |
| 09:24.22 | karsten | Guerin: Not quite _that_ bad. But yeah. |
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| 09:24.38 | Guerin | karsten: this might be true if preference was relevant, but the fact is that citation exists solely to provide information, and it's not that hard to agree. |
| 09:24.42 | liable | because its made by egocentric geeks? |
| 09:24.45 | Guerin | correction, it SHOULDN'T be that hard |
| 09:24.46 | yang_ | which package belongs to firefox mail reader? |
| 09:25.07 | liable | yang_: /msg dpkg search |
| 09:25.10 | Guerin | liable: yeah, it is. Does the 3945 need firmware? |
| 09:25.18 | liable | Guerin: yep |
| 09:25.19 | Guerin | yang_: firefox is not a mail reader |
| 09:25.20 | karsten | Guerin: Read the Economist's guide and you'll find it's reasonably sane. |
| 09:25.23 | yang_ | yeah,the search throws me 100 packages |
| 09:25.24 | Guerin | (thank god) |
| 09:25.32 | liable | Guerin: and a stupid fucking binary daemon |
| 09:25.36 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, it's a good reference |
| 09:25.40 | yang_ | Guerin: do i need thunderbird? |
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| 09:25.45 | scx | oops, srry |
| 09:26.06 | Guerin | karsten: i recently sent strunk's guide around to everyone at work |
| 09:26.31 | Guerin | karsten: i work in a media analysis office, and sending out media alerts with bad apostrophe's and things just makes for the lose |
| 09:26.41 | Guerin | yang_: nobody needs thunderbird. |
| 09:27.05 | Guerin | liable: man, that's evil |
| 09:27.07 | yang_ | Guerin: then which one comes with firefox....in mozilla there is mozilla-email combined |
| 09:27.25 | Guerin | yang_: thunderbird, or icedove, is the mozilla email client' |
| 09:28.50 | karsten | Guerin: Quite. |
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| 09:29.28 | yang_ | so you suggest enigmail? |
| 09:29.29 | Guerin | yang_: if you want encryption, yes. |
| 09:29.29 | Guerin | if not, no |
| 09:29.42 | karsten | yang_: mutt |
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| 09:30.35 | yang_ | Guerin: you know i am not familiar with mozilla -> firefox changes...i still keep mozilla on my computer with all tools installed - mail reader, composer etc. |
| 09:30.45 | Palish | bla |
| 09:30.58 | Palish | is there a way to recursively set the permissions of an entire folder and subfolder and items? |
| 09:31.01 | karsten | yang_: FF largely unbundles the Mozilla components. |
| 09:31.18 | karsten | Palish: There's a way. Safe or not really depends. '-R'. |
| 09:31.27 | liable | there was a new text client in the repos, ?pine |
| 09:31.29 | Palish | chmod 755 -R |
| 09:31.30 | Palish | ? |
| 09:31.41 | Guerin | liable: alpine |
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| 09:31.49 | karsten | Palish: argument first, then mode. |
| 09:31.55 | Guerin | liable: i find it utterly incomprehensible, and it lacks documentation |
| 09:32.02 | liable | hah |
| 09:32.03 | Palish | thanks :) |
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| 09:32.36 | liable | damn, i missed the simpsons |
| 09:32.45 | Guerin | liable: for instance: I can't figure out how to make it check an imap folder. It seem to only do local mail. Although it has imap config options, so ... |
| 09:32.47 | liable | stupid beer and irc |
| 09:33.18 | liable | Guerin: dunno, havent tried it yet |
| 09:35.50 | maddash | ...and then, there was silence... |
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| 09:37.43 | scx | anyone has tried ixwebhosting |
| 09:37.47 | scx | ? |
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| 09:40.49 | muhoo | how would i boot off of a SATA drive withou having to resort to a RAMDISK? |
| 09:41.19 | muhoo | i can't seem to do it. i get panics at boot, unable to mount VFS, unknown_block 8,3 |
| 09:41.20 | liable | build your own kernel |
| 09:41.24 | muhoo | i already did that |
| 09:41.25 | scx | making it bootable with cfdisk? |
| 09:41.34 | liable | muhoo: then you did it wrong |
| 09:41.34 | muhoo | it is bootable using stock etch kernel |
| 09:41.57 | muhoo | well, yeah, i know i did i wrong. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 09:42.13 | muhoo | i have =y for all the modules i should need |
| 09:42.15 | liable | muhoo: you didnt compile in the neccesary drivers |
| 09:42.30 | liable | muhoo: obviously not all of them |
| 09:42.40 | muhoo | ok, which ones are missing? how would i find out? |
| 09:42.56 | liable | muhoo: keep recompiling, by the time you get it right, you will learn why we tell people not to compile them :) |
| 09:43.26 | muhoo | the kernel config i started with is supposedly the correct one for this hardware. |
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| 09:44.14 | muhoo | well i've been compiling kernels since 2.2.something |
| 09:44.32 | muhoo | i try to do it exactly once per machine, then never again unless some security issue comes about |
| 09:44.36 | liable | muhoo: depends, if you are building a 2.6.19 with a 2.6.18 config, then things changed in the config. i found that out the hard way |
| 09:44.49 | muhoo | really? that's exactly the situation |
| 09:44.59 | muhoo | the config is from 2.6.16. i'm on 2.6.19.1 |
| 09:45.02 | Shadowcat | bad liable! |
| 09:45.10 | liable | its the sata menu |
| 09:45.14 | muhoo | yes |
| 09:45.15 | liable | !kill Shadowcat |
| 09:45.25 | Shadowcat | !whack liable |
| 09:45.27 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 09:45.28 | liable | Shadowcat: havent been abused by you for a while! |
| 09:45.30 | cahoot | muhoo, sata is one of the changes |
| 09:45.35 | scx | what's the average data transfer for an standard mainstream apt server? |
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| 09:45.47 | scx | 2000 ? |
| 09:45.50 | christianp | hi all |
| 09:45.52 | muhoo | ok, so what exactly changed and how should i deal with it? there's a sata menu, and ide menu, and an ata menu |
| 09:46.14 | liable | muhoo: read my son! :P |
| 09:46.18 | muhoo | and a pata menu, just for fun. how are these inter-related and how shall i determine which to use? |
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| 09:46.33 | muhoo | read... what, specifically? i'm waiing for someone to msg the bot to send me to an FAQ |
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| 09:46.34 | Shadowcat | muhoo: if you can't determine how to work make xconfig |
| 09:46.38 | liable | muhoo: you obviously, just need the right driver |
| 09:46.44 | Shadowcat | you shouldn't be compiling this kernel |
| 09:47.14 | liable | muhoo: if you have been compiling since 2.2, then you must have been very lucky all this time :P |
| 09:47.17 | muhoo | dude, i know how to use make menuconfig. what i don't know is what all these new options are, for sata vs. pata vs. ide vs. ata |
| 09:47.27 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 09:47.28 | muhoo | qualitatively. |
| 09:47.30 | Shadowcat | READ |
| 09:47.40 | liable | you need the driver for your chipset, what else can we tell you? |
| 09:47.41 | muhoo | read... what? the help in menuconfig? not helpful. |
| 09:47.42 | Shadowcat | I really don't get this, go through the darn options |
| 09:47.50 | Freenet | could someone give a link for Downloading Debian CD images with BitTorrent?(last release stable) |
| 09:47.53 | cahoot | muhoo, see - don't discuss kernel config here - you just get ridiculed |
| 09:47.56 | Shadowcat | the help that comes with the kernel is very helpful |
| 09:48.09 | Shadowcat | I compiled my own kernel from knowing zero just by reading the help |
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| 09:48.15 | Shadowcat | so I suggest you READ it |
| 09:48.23 | liable | cahoot: um, how and why are we supposed to do his reading for him? |
| 09:48.25 | muhoo | cahoot: i've discovered that. this is new to me. |
| 09:48.43 | muhoo | cahoot: in the old days, it wasn't an object of ridicule to ask kernel config questions |
| 09:48.47 | Shadowcat | honestly, if you have to ask questions about replacing the heart of any linux system |
| 09:48.48 | cahoot | muhoo, see - don't discuss kernel config here - you just get ridiculedi suggest that? |
| 09:48.52 | Shadowcat | then you shouldn't be doing it |
| 09:48.53 | muhoo | sorry about that folks, no faux pas intended |
| 09:49.01 | xpurple | heh |
| 09:49.03 | cahoot | liable, did I suggest that? |
| 09:49.05 | xpurple | Tis true |
| 09:49.05 | liable | muhoo: for the first kernel for a box, in one terminal should be lspci output, and yes, read every damn help in the whole config |
| 09:49.25 | Freenet | ? |
| 09:49.47 | liable | cahoot: you seemed to suggest that we ridicule people just for the hell of it. excuse me if i misunderstood |
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| 09:50.01 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 09:50.07 | cahoot | liable, well some tend to do just that |
| 09:50.08 | Shadowcat | we only ridicule liable for the hell of it |
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| 09:50.16 | muhoo | ridiculing people just for the hell of it is *not* new to #debian, it's a time-honoured tradition |
| 09:50.21 | xpurple | Hey, hey. I need some of that too! |
| 09:50.29 | xpurple | Ridicule that is. |
| 09:50.40 | Shadowcat | pfft, you're not 1337 enough xpurple |
| 09:51.05 | xpurple | Not 1337 enough? I've built kernels for m68k and sparc! ;) |
| 09:51.21 | Shadowcat | that's n3rd, not 1337 |
| 09:51.24 | liable | muhoo: it takes me about an hour in menconfig for the first kernel for a box, and for major kernel upgrades, because i actually go through all the help items |
| 09:51.26 | Shadowcat | 1337 == having a life :P |
| 09:51.28 | xpurple | hehehe |
| 09:51.31 | xpurple | Shadowcat: I have a wife |
| 09:51.44 | xpurple | Better than most geeks :) |
| 09:51.48 | Shadowcat | xpurple: that's not a life, that's having a ball and chains |
| 09:52.01 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 09:52.03 | xpurple | Shadowcat: I bow my head in shame as you speak the truth. |
| 09:52.20 | Freenet | could you help me with direct link foor Downloading Debian CD images with BitTorrent? |
| 09:52.20 | xpurple | ooo |
| 09:52.26 | muhoo | but long before the array of options exploded to the bewildering level it is at now. |
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| 09:52.40 | Shadowcat | yawn there aren't that many options |
| 09:52.50 | Shadowcat | only around 2000-2500 of them |
| 09:52.54 | muhoo | hah! |
| 09:52.58 | xpurple | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 09:53.04 | Shadowcat | so do 2500! and you figure out the worst possible scenario |
| 09:53.12 | Shadowcat | and yes, that's a factorial |
| 09:53.22 | Freenet | thanks xpurple |
| 09:53.26 | xpurple | Freenet: I assume you want x86. |
| 09:53.32 | xpurple | Why the name freenet? |
| 09:53.58 | Freenet | sorry? |
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| 09:54.02 | muhoo | ok, well off i go for 2500x2500 rounds of trial and error. or slightly less, if any of the one-sentence "documentation" for these options is helpful |
| 09:54.05 | xpurple | Freenet: The nick, why the nick? |
| 09:54.15 | xpurple | Freenet: Any relation to the project? |
| 09:54.20 | Shadowcat | muhoo: damnit, factorial |
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| 09:54.24 | muhoo | heh |
| 09:54.34 | Shadowcat | 2500*2499*2498*2497.... |
| 09:54.38 | Shadowcat | you get the picture |
| 09:54.41 | Freenet | lol no! just i like it its easy to say it:) |
| 09:54.47 | xpurple | Ahh |
| 09:54.55 | muhoo | bignum |
| 09:55.12 | xpurple | 38968818735000 |
| 09:55.20 | Freenet | lkol xpurple why?you know Freenet project? |
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| 09:55.31 | Shadowcat | xpurple: err no |
| 09:55.40 | Shadowcat | it goes on until you hit 1 |
| 09:55.48 | liable | muhoo: dude, look in the sata chipset section. |
| 09:55.50 | Shadowcat | I just didn't feel like typing the other 2496 entries |
| 09:56.00 | xpurple | Freenet: I used it for a while. It's horrible. |
| 09:56.04 | liable | muhoo: theres very few modules that need to be compiled in. |
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| 09:56.16 | xpurple | hmm |
| 09:56.19 | Freenet | lol xpurpe!and what do you think about Tor? |
| 09:56.26 | xpurple | Freenet: It's amusing. |
| 09:56.28 | muhoo | liable: will do. |
| 09:56.45 | xpurple | Freenet: But like anything else, the net is not anonymous. |
| 09:57.02 | xpurple | Freenet: There are ways to figure out who hits which pages. |
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| 09:57.23 | Freenet | oh my god so no security? |
| 09:57.32 | xpurple | Freenet: It's better than nothing ;) |
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| 09:58.26 | Freenet | i had a problem with ity that i couldnt make it working so when i checked of my ip so nothing hidden!:s |
| 09:59.07 | xpurple | Freenet: You also need to use a proxy DNS program to hide your DNS querys. |
| 09:59.23 | Freenet | privoxy? |
| 09:59.26 | xpurple | Yeah |
| 09:59.42 | Freenet | lol as im nul in this domain i didnt know howit works! |
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| 09:59.53 | xpurple | It's magic. |
| 09:59.55 | Freenet | shame!:$ |
| 10:00.00 | xpurple | :) |
| 10:00.05 | muhoo | ok, at risk of getting dogpiled, i have to bitch about this |
| 10:00.14 | muhoo | liable: your "documentation" in the sata section, here it is: |
| 10:00.17 | muhoo | "This option enables support for old(?) PIIX PATA support." |
| 10:00.35 | muhoo | great. that's helpful. how old is "old"? how do i know if my chipset is "old" or "new"? |
| 10:00.43 | liable | muhoo: i am gonna slap you for making me look myself. which chipset? |
| 10:00.51 | christianp | i'm trying to install a zope product inside my python (2.3.5 on etch AMD64), but starting python2.3 setup.py install (python isn't upgraded becouse my zope needs 2.3) i obtain this error: |
| 10:00.53 | christianp | http://cut.and.paste.org/index.php?id=301 |
| 10:01.00 | muhoo | Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 02) |
| 10:01.04 | Freenet | xpurple the url that you gave me i should start downloading file by fie? |
| 10:01.07 | liable | gah |
| 10:01.18 | Freenet | file* |
| 10:01.27 | muhoo | and |
| 10:01.28 | muhoo | Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 02) |
| 10:01.44 | liable | muhoo: do you have exp drivers enabled in config? |
| 10:01.51 | muhoo | yes sir |
| 10:01.53 | muhoo | even |
| 10:01.56 | xpurple | Freenet: That link contains a list of torrent files. You need to pick the one you need. |
| 10:02.00 | xpurple | Freenet: Probably disk1 |
| 10:02.03 | muhoo | "Very experimental" are showing up. i like that. |
| 10:02.07 | liable | muhoo: device drivers/serial ata/ahci |
| 10:02.14 | muhoo | right there |
| 10:02.36 | muhoo | i have he Intel PIIX/ICH SATA support enabled, good |
| 10:02.44 | Freenet | but i foud binary files |
| 10:02.47 | Freenet | [ ] debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 10:02.51 | xpurple | Yeah |
| 10:03.03 | Freenet | so that whati shoud download? |
| 10:03.04 | muhoo | what i'm not sure is if i need any of the other piix-related ones. the cdrom is PATA not SATA |
| 10:03.04 | xpurple | Those are torrent files for iso images. |
| 10:03.05 | liable | muhoo: you have ahci and piix? |
| 10:03.07 | xpurple | The file you posted. |
| 10:03.12 | scx | what's the average data transfer for an standard mainstream apt server? |
| 10:03.14 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.25 | scx | dunno if is enough to be useful |
| 10:03.38 | Freenet | i mean if i should donwload all what listed on the page |
| 10:03.40 | liable | muhoo: the pata cdrom wont stop the box booting if it not detected |
| 10:03.51 | xpurple | Freenet: If you want. You don't have to . |
| 10:03.54 | liable | muhoo: you need you hard drive drivers |
| 10:04.02 | muhoo | liable: according to etch's ramdisk i have piix, because the ramdisk loaded it |
| 10:04.06 | tiolxpe | anyone here installed truecrypt on etch |
| 10:04.08 | muhoo | but, according to lspci, no piix |
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| 10:04.13 | muhoo | Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03) |
| 10:04.20 | xpurple | Freenet: It would be simpler to do so, but you will burn more CDs and waste more bandwidth than needed. If you just get the first disk you can do a net install for everything else. |
| 10:04.24 | liable | muhoo: just build that module in, and ahci |
| 10:04.37 | Freenet | xpurple: so wich one i should download it? |
| 10:04.56 | Freenet | cpurple you know im newbie and nul in the linux domain |
| 10:04.56 | xpurple | Freenet: Get them all, it will be simpler. |
| 10:05.20 | xpurple | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 10:05.21 | xpurple | Or this one. |
| 10:05.28 | xpurple | That will be the simplest of them all. |
| 10:05.32 | muhoo | gotta find AHCI first |
| 10:05.35 | christianp | can anyone explain me how can i install python2.3-dev in my etch AMD64? |
| 10:05.46 | muhoo | used to be in the old days, there was a PCI section ,where all the north/southbridge drivers would be located |
| 10:05.51 | xpurple | Freenet: That one will do a netinstall for everything. One file, one install. |
| 10:05.53 | liable | muhoo: its right at the top |
| 10:05.54 | christianp | 2.3 it's not in the repositories |
| 10:06.09 | liable | muhoo: in the sata section, above pciix |
| 10:06.19 | liable | piix |
| 10:06.37 | muhoo | thanks! |
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| 10:06.46 | Freenet | also i think i couldnt use the net via my linux :( as i had mandriva and cant recongnized my dsl modem :( |
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| 10:07.01 | xpurple | Freenet: Then the net install will not work. |
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| 10:07.08 | muhoo | now that's helpful. prolly never would have known to enable that |
| 10:07.14 | xpurple | Freenet: Is your dsl modem PPPoE or PPPoA? |
| 10:07.25 | Freenet | sorry whats mena that? |
| 10:07.30 | xpurple | Freenet: What model is it? |
| 10:07.51 | Freenet | just i know its mark (ZXDSL 852) ZTE company |
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| 10:08.02 | xpurple | Freenet: You would have to call your ISP on that. |
| 10:08.03 | esters | when will debian move to gtk+ 2.10 ? |
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| 10:09.19 | Freenet | unfortunately, i sent many mails for my isp but no reply! |
| 10:09.40 | xpurple | Call them, or better yet stop by the office. |
| 10:10.40 | Freenet | linux in my country is not known!u can find some peple who know whats Linux and how using it!all they use win:s |
| 10:11.31 | Freenet | not just some!so u can count them by urself |
| 10:13.26 | Freenet | i contacted the ZTE company(chinese) but they told me in the forum wich serie i have and wich linux ,etc finally they told me that they appolgize for this incovinience so no driver for Linux os:s |
| 10:13.49 | xpurple | Ahh |
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| 10:14.07 | RvGaTe | How can i save the settings that are made with alsaconf ? |
| 10:14.24 | RvGaTe | so it will have those settings on reboot |
| 10:14.51 | Freenet | its a joke n stupid to produce a modem and cant work on Linux :s |
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| 10:15.17 | EvilDin | hi, how do i configure kernel of vanilla source for this kind of processor: http://pastebin.com/868554 |
| 10:15.32 | EvilDin | could someone please help to optimize my kernel configurations |
| 10:15.33 | xpurple | Freenet: Get a cisco ;) |
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| 10:16.33 | itchy | hello |
| 10:16.43 | Freenet | the problem my isp offers just this model so i don't know if i change it ,it ll be compatible with my isp |
| 10:16.43 | itchy | please help a bit |
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| 10:17.41 | itchy | I'm trying to install Debian 3.1.4 and at the very beginning the installer freezes at "Loading module 'die-disk' for 'Linux ATA DISK'... |
| 10:17.45 | itchy | and nothing happens.. |
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| 10:18.00 | itchy | does anybody know what's the matter? |
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| 10:19.09 | Freenet | xpurple: you don't think the last relase 'tech' contain the suit driver for my modem? |
| 10:19.15 | liable | itchy: try in expert and only load what you need |
| 10:19.23 | xpurple | Freenet: I have no idea. |
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| 10:20.27 | Freenet | ok so sif i havent the net what i should install?all links listed on the download page? |
| 10:20.38 | itchy | thank you liable, I'll try it, like, what is the command line? like "linux expert"?.. however how is it then gonna read from disk if it fails 'loading it'? |
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| 10:21.09 | liable | Freenet: laptop modems are horribly supported in linux, unless you are lucky and have one supported by the alsa drivers |
| 10:21.29 | liable | itchy: sarge was expert26, dunno for etch, hit f1 |
| 10:21.40 | itchy | thanks |
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| 10:22.14 | Freenet | ok!but now which lick i should use for downloading? |
| 10:22.17 | liable | itchy: is it an ide hard drive? |
| 10:22.42 | Freenet | link* |
| 10:22.43 | itchy | now, I guess the installer means my DVD Drive from which it is actually started.. |
| 10:22.43 | liable | Freenet: you only have dialup? |
| 10:23.07 | Freenet | ive dsl 128 kbps |
| 10:23.08 | itchy | oh.. I dunno.. |
| 10:23.23 | liable | itchy: sata disk and ide cd drive? |
| 10:23.25 | itchy | I have a Serial ATA |
| 10:23.33 | itchy | and a DVD-RW |
| 10:23.44 | Freenet | i can use dial up so but now im using dsl connection |
| 10:23.46 | itchy | (actually two serial ata drives) |
| 10:23.49 | liable | itchy: is your bios set to compatibilty mode for the disk? |
| 10:24.29 | itchy | well.. I'm not sure, mandriva for example, had no problems installing (I'm talking now from mandriva), but if that's the point I will check it.. |
| 10:24.54 | liable | itchy: what chipset is it? |
| 10:25.06 | itchy | NVidia nForce 4-4x |
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| 10:25.29 | Freenet | ? |
| 10:25.39 | liable | Freenet: get iso1 |
| 10:26.07 | Freenet | debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 10:26.10 | Freenet | tahts all? |
| 10:26.12 | liable | itchy: see if your bios has ahci mode, if it does, set it to that |
| 10:26.18 | Freenet | thats* |
| 10:26.22 | liable | itchy: newer nvidia are ahci |
| 10:26.22 | itchy | ok thanks! |
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| 10:26.53 | esters | http://youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI |
| 10:27.11 | itchy | can you please say in two words what is ahci..? If not I will google it |
| 10:27.18 | liable | itchy: theres also a libata option in the boot menu (of the installer) try that too if ahci fails |
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| 10:28.00 | liable | itchy: open protocol of the chipset |
| 10:28.06 | Freenet | ok thanks so much xpurple n you too liable! |
| 10:28.11 | liable | dunno if protocol is the right word actually |
| 10:28.32 | liable | specification |
| 10:28.39 | itchy | thanks a lot! Going to try out |
| 10:29.21 | liable | its how it talks to the kernel anyway :) |
| 10:30.48 | RvGaTe | How can i save the settings that are made with alsaconf, so it will have those settings on reboot?? |
| 10:31.07 | cahoot | rvalles, etch? then alsa-utils |
| 10:31.19 | cahoot | RvGaTe, ^^ |
| 10:31.31 | RvGaTe | cahoot, let me try |
| 10:32.24 | liable | alsactl store (for mixer settings) |
| 10:32.26 | cahoot | RvGaTe, sound on etch is: install alsa-utils && dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 10:33.13 | cahoot | liable, alsa-utile manages alsactl AND unmutes by default |
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| 10:34.23 | RvGaTe | cahoot, i dont have the command alsa-utils, altho it is installed :S |
| 10:34.32 | liable | cahoot: alsa-utils is a package though, not an app |
| 10:34.48 | cahoot | RvGaTe, well - invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart |
| 10:35.05 | surekha | How to deactivate the echo service? By default the echo service is active on debian based servers |
| 10:35.23 | liable | ping echos? |
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| 10:36.12 | surekha | liable: What does that do? |
| 10:36.14 | Maliuta | liable: I think he means the inetd echo service |
| 10:36.33 | RvGaTe | cahoot, that will just restart all current devices... the thing is, when i do alsa-conf, my soundcard gets detected and useable, but will be removed again with reboot... |
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| 10:36.47 | liable | Maliuta: oh. |
| 10:36.59 | surekha | Maliuta: thats correct |
| 10:37.09 | cahoot | RvGaTe, don't run alsaconf |
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| 10:37.22 | cahoot | RvGaTe, sound on etch is: install alsa-utils && dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
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| 10:37.27 | Maliuta | surekha: go look at /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 10:37.34 | RvGaTe | cahoot, i did that, but with no results |
| 10:37.47 | surekha | Maliuta: sure |
| 10:37.53 | liable | man update-inetd |
| 10:37.57 | liable | i think... |
| 10:38.06 | cahoot | RvGaTe, no result meaning what? |
| 10:38.08 | Maliuta | vim /etc/inetd.conf |
| 10:38.21 | liable | sure, or vim.. |
| 10:38.25 | CyberGabber | RvGaTe: Ik heb precies hetzelde probleem, na rebooten moet ik alsaconf draaien om geluid te hebben, alsof hij de settings niet opslaat. |
| 10:38.40 | RvGaTe | cahoot, it will just excute the command, give me a choice (i choose alsa) and then just returns to the console |
| 10:38.42 | liable | CyberGabber: english gabber? |
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| 10:38.56 | RvGaTe | liable, cahoot: CyberGabber has the same problem |
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| 10:39.20 | liable | RvGaTe: its an old problem, that i havent ever really seen an answer to |
| 10:39.31 | CyberGabber | sorry, RvGaTe : I have the same soundproblem, after reboot i hav to run alasconf to get sound. |
| 10:39.43 | Loady | hi.. do anyone know if there is python bindings for apt/dpkg ? |
| 10:39.44 | liable | RvGaTe: run alsaconf, run alsamixer, alsactl store |
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| 10:40.27 | cahoot | RvGaTe, is this an upgraded sarge or a etch install? |
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| 10:40.41 | RvGaTe | cahoot, etch |
| 10:41.07 | liable | the modules should be added to /etc/modprobe.d |
| 10:41.19 | cahoot | RvGaTe, strange - done a few etch installs never encountered what you describe |
| 10:41.19 | liable | add your sound modules to /etc/modules |
| 10:41.27 | liable | should work (TM) |
| 10:41.47 | yang | is it normal for icedove to take 120Mb of Virtual memory on startup? |
| 10:41.49 | RvGaTe | liable, ill go give it a try, at least it all happend without errors, ill go reboot now to try it out |
| 10:42.36 | Maliuta | yang: anything based on mozilla anything is going to be a resource whore |
| 10:42.40 | liable | yang: 105 here, so prolly |
| 10:42.46 | liable | true |
| 10:42.51 | yang | liable: or should i watch the SHR size, which is calculated with my memory? |
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| 10:43.38 | yang | liable: if i have 250MB memory, which memory task do i need to watch to calculate - VIRT, RES, SHR? |
| 10:44.18 | scx | what the hell is SHR ? |
| 10:44.40 | yang | scx: it from the "top" command |
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| 10:45.19 | scx | o.O |
| 10:45.39 | RvGaTe | liable, it did not save the settings |
| 10:45.55 | scx | ah! |
| 10:46.02 | RvGaTe | liable, its now only using my usb headset |
| 10:46.07 | cahoot | RvGaTe, what kind of device? |
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| 10:46.30 | itchi | Loady: Try apt-cache search python-apt |
| 10:46.30 | liable | yang: virt |
| 10:46.50 | itchi | RvGaTe: Is your sound module been loaded at boot time? |
| 10:46.59 | liable | yang: man top |
| 10:47.02 | yang | my bash uses 5MB of VIRT |
| 10:47.14 | RvGaTe | itchi, hold on |
| 10:47.22 | itchi | RvGaTe: no :-p |
| 10:47.31 | RvGaTe | cahoot, Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01) as discribed by lspci |
| 10:47.32 | itchi | !YACOC |
| 10:47.32 | dpkg | well, yacoc is Yet Another Cup Of Coffee |
| 10:47.34 | liable | RvGaTe: bugger |
| 10:48.22 | cahoot | RvGaTe, /proc/asound/cards lists you sounddevices? |
| 10:48.58 | RvGaTe | cahoot, no |
| 10:49.07 | RvGaTe | cahoot, only the usb headset |
| 10:49.14 | cahoot | only the usb one? |
| 10:49.18 | cahoot | ok |
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| 10:50.57 | cahoot | RvGaTe, if you modprobe snd-cs46xx (or whatever) |
| 10:51.32 | cahoot | RvGaTe, does /proc/asound/cards lists your sounddevices now? |
| 10:51.54 | RvGaTe | cahoot, if i would know the correct module to load, i could execute that command :P |
| 10:51.59 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe you will like the 'modconf' tui. Useful to search which module for what |
| 10:52.22 | itchi | RvGaTe: Not that you get many info with modconf, but it wil help a bit |
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| 10:55.04 | RvGaTe | itchi, not giving me any usefull information, altho snd-cs46xx is listed... |
| 10:55.06 | liable | itchi: get it booted? |
| 10:55.18 | RvGaTe | liable, no, i dont know the correct module to use |
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| 10:55.41 | RvGaTe | liable, but maybe i know wich one to use when i do an alsaconf |
| 10:56.07 | cahoot | RvGaTe, if you modprobe snd-cs46xx does it show up in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 10:56.15 | liable | RvGaTe: sure run alsaconf and see what lsmod shows |
| 10:57.02 | RvGaTe | liable, cahoot, alsaconf shows me: "Configuring snd-cs46xx" |
| 10:57.14 | liable | its funny, i have seen this asked many times, and no real answer, or, if people work it out, they never come back and mention it.. |
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| 10:57.23 | liable | RvGaTe: so load it.. |
| 10:57.35 | itchi | liable: How so? |
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| 10:57.45 | liable | itchi: ? |
| 10:57.52 | itchi | 11:55:06 < liable> itchi: get it booted? |
| 10:58.06 | liable | itchi: there was an imposter! itchy |
| 10:58.12 | RvGaTe | liable, cahoot: After doing alsaconf, lsmod gives me this line: snd 45412 9 snd_cs46xx,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer |
| 10:58.14 | itchi | liable: There's no alcohol im my coffee ;-) |
| 10:58.30 | cahoot | RvGaTe, does it show up in /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 10:58.47 | RvGaTe | cahoot, yes, but now the usb headset is gone |
| 10:58.59 | liable | itchi: i thought it was you... |
| 10:59.04 | RvGaTe | cahoot, let me unplug/plug it back in |
| 10:59.33 | itchi | liable: No |
| 10:59.38 | RvGaTe | cahoot, now i have two cards listed |
| 10:59.42 | liable | yes, i know now... |
| 10:59.43 | itchi | Not me :-) |
| 10:59.44 | cahoot | RvGaTe, try to put snd-cs46xx and snd-usb-audio in /etc/modules |
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| 11:00.38 | cahoot | RvGaTe, though you really shouldn't need to ... |
| 11:01.00 | RvGaTe | cahoot, i think i could leave the usb out of it, never had problems with that one |
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| 11:01.23 | RvGaTe | cahoot, allright, saved, goig for a reboot again, brb |
| 11:01.32 | christopherl | I want to make a new partition with gparted, my partitions on /dev/hda is /dev/hda1 (27gb, used 3,5gb, ext3, here is my linux system) and /dev/hda2 . |
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| 11:01.39 | anapivirtua | Hi all, Bye all ;) |
| 11:01.39 | liable | RvGaTe: the usb may well be causing it |
| 11:01.56 | cahoot | how so? |
| 11:02.00 | christopherl | I never done a new partition anyone knows? |
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| 11:02.46 | liable | cahoot: grabbing the dev and pointing it to the usb output? i dunno, you tell me a better explanation |
| 11:04.58 | liable | christopherl: you need to resize it then? |
| 11:05.11 | liable | christopherl: does gparted let you do that? |
| 11:05.15 | RvGaTe | ok, lets see if it worked |
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| 11:05.45 | christopherl | liable: I don't destroy any used data if I resize /dev/hda1? |
| 11:06.18 | liable | christopherl: you might. its a dangerous thing to do |
| 11:06.27 | liable | christopherl: ext3 can be a problem |
| 11:06.39 | liable | you might need to remove the journal to do it |
| 11:06.47 | RvGaTe | liable, cahoot, again, only the usb headset is listed |
| 11:07.06 | christopherl | liable: I want a new partition on my harddrive, you have any tips that are riskfree? |
| 11:07.44 | liable | christopherl: there arent any riskfree ones. |
| 11:07.46 | cahoot | RvGaTe, snd-cs46xx isn't loaded? |
| 11:07.54 | liable | christopherl: except for adding a new drive |
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| 11:08.01 | liable | christopherl: thats what backups are for |
| 11:08.09 | christopherl | ok |
| 11:08.10 | RvGaTe | cahoot, its listed in lsmod |
| 11:08.31 | liable | christopherl: though i haven't lost data doing it, doesnt mean you wont though |
| 11:08.52 | cahoot | RvGaTe, but not in /proc/asound/cards? |
| 11:08.58 | RvGaTe | cahoot, nope |
| 11:09.19 | christopherl | liable: what program are you using for creating new partitions? |
| 11:09.22 | cahoot | RvGaTe, I'd look at bootlog for any error |
| 11:09.24 | CyberGabber | RvGaTe: Do you have sound without running alsaconf again after each reboot ? |
| 11:09.34 | RvGaTe | CyberGabber, yes |
| 11:09.40 | RvGaTe | CyberGabber, i mean no |
| 11:09.56 | itchi | RvGaTe: What happend if you unplug the USB and boot so? |
| 11:10.07 | liable | christopherl: i used qtparted |
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| 11:10.17 | liable | christopherl: same as gparted |
| 11:10.22 | RvGaTe | itchi, nice one, let me give it a try... (you reading it cahoot ?) |
| 11:10.23 | christopherl | ok |
| 11:10.27 | CyberGabber | RvGaTe:after every reboot i need to run alsaconf as root to get sound. |
| 11:10.38 | RvGaTe | CyberGabber, just keep listening for the answer :P |
| 11:10.51 | itchi | CyberGabber: Is that also with usb stuff? |
| 11:12.23 | CyberGabber | itchi: , RvGaTe : Yesterday-evening i spoke to marcels about my problem with mounting USB-devices. |
| 11:12.27 | itchi | CyberGabber: Was there a different with the loaded modules before running alsaconf and after? |
| 11:13.35 | CyberGabber | itchi: Yes, sorry i just cleaned up 'before alsaconf' and 'after alsaconf', but i remember there was difference between before / after |
| 11:13.56 | RvGaTe | cahoot, my soundcard gets listed ! |
| 11:13.57 | ArmEagle | OK.. so i finally did a long due upgrade/update of packages. and at the end it mentions there were errors with some packages. |
| 11:13.58 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: You just need to make the usb headset have a low priority - forget alsaconf |
| 11:14.07 | ArmEagle | any place where i can read about that? |
| 11:14.15 | itchi | CyberGabber: Have you added these modules too? Or just modprobe these modules after a fresh reboot (without making use of alsaconf) |
| 11:14.38 | itchi | RvGaTe: Priority troubles, next |
| 11:14.46 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, so i got to somehow make sure the soundcard gets loaded before the headset does ? |
| 11:14.51 | itchi | RvGaTe: How to get it first listen :-s |
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| 11:14.54 | liable | RvGaTe: does it work or not? |
| 11:15.01 | h3sp4wn | echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2 | tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 11:15.17 | RvGaTe | liable, yes, soundcard got detected |
| 11:15.20 | h3sp4wn | (that presumes the headset uses dns-hda-intel) |
| 11:15.23 | liable | good |
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| 11:15.25 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, ? |
| 11:15.38 | CyberGabber | itchi: Please help RvGaTe first, i will follow the chat... |
| 11:15.48 | itchi | CyberGabber: I dunno the solution :-) |
| 11:15.56 | h3sp4wn | That is how to do it - I dunno how better to explain it |
| 11:16.15 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, i forgot what module the usb headset uses :S |
| 11:16.22 | CyberGabber | RvGaTe: itchi : Later we can go to debian-nl for follow-up.. |
| 11:16.23 | cahoot | snd-usb-audio |
| 11:16.43 | ArmEagle | OK.. so i finally did a long due upgrade/update of packages. and at the end it mentions there were errors with some packages. Is there any log of the errors? |
| 11:16.54 | itchi | CyberGabber: No problem ;-) |
| 11:17.34 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: So run 'echo options snd-usb-audio index=-2 | tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (and that should stop it grabbing being the primary card) |
| 11:18.21 | h3sp4wn | RvGaTe: See the comment at the file - # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0 |
| 11:18.57 | mruiz | ping anibal |
| 11:19.00 | h3sp4wn | that is for modems but in your case also what you want for your headset (I fail to see how complicated this seems to be) |
| 11:19.09 | RvGaTe | h3sp4wn, ah :) now i know what im doing |
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| 11:20.29 | anibal | mruiz, pong |
| 11:20.32 | liable | ArmEagle: only one your console if you have sarge |
| 11:20.59 | liable | ArmEagle: if you have >=etch the dpkg.log |
| 11:21.07 | ArmEagle | ok lets see |
| 11:21.42 | ArmEagle | ok thanks got that file. would be nice if all errors/warning were put in a separate file though |
| 11:22.17 | liable | ArmEagle: so supply the patch that does that :) |
| 11:22.18 | RvGaTe | \o/ it works ! \o/ |
| 11:22.33 | EvilDin | hi, is it possible to test kernel before actual reboot |
| 11:22.51 | liable | no |
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| 11:23.44 | RvGaTe | liable, cahoot, h3sp4wn, itchi: thank you for your time and help... it was indeed a priority problem, both devices get listed now in /proc/asound/cards |
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| 11:23.52 | ArmEagle | oh darn.. it just writes 'status' lines in there |
| 11:23.53 | RvGaTe | now i gotta see if they actually produce sound :P |
| 11:24.11 | bobedong | hi buddy |
| 11:24.14 | ArmEagle | liable well yeah.. see something like that shouldnt be just a patch :P |
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| 11:24.38 | ArmEagle | anyway.. lets hope at least the mysql thingy still is in scrollback |
| 11:24.48 | ArmEagle | was something about needing an extra config option. |
| 11:24.48 | itchi | RvGaTe: Cooool |
| 11:24.59 | liable | ArmEagle: uh, ok, i have neer really checked dpkg log for install errors, guess you have to get em from console then |
| 11:25.03 | itchi | CyberGabber: You got your anwer too |
| 11:25.26 | ArmEagle | liable yeah no luck there.. running in screen with not too much lines configured |
| 11:25.28 | liable | ArmEagle: if its a config thing, check the debian.news or changelog |
| 11:25.33 | ArmEagle | ok |
| 11:25.41 | bobedong | ye |
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| 11:26.50 | CyberGabber | itchi: Sorry, im having lunch right now with family. cant follow chat right now...Later i ask you for the resoluiton.. (if you agree '-) |
| 11:27.05 | itchi | CyberGabber: ;-) |
| 11:27.28 | liable | lastlog |
| 11:27.53 | RvGaTe | you guys made my day, nothing can ruin it now \o/ haha |
| 11:28.05 | RvGaTe | been having this sound problem for over 3 weeks now |
| 11:28.22 | itchi | RvGaTe: Man, why have you not tell it before? haha |
| 11:28.54 | RvGaTe | itchi, i did, but it never worked out, maybe i just explained it wrong.... after that, i couldn't be bothered asking again... untill today |
| 11:29.28 | itchi | RvGaTe: I not remember |
| 11:29.36 | RvGaTe | you dont have to :P its fixed now |
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| 11:30.08 | RvGaTe | cya |
| 11:30.12 | RvGaTe | and thx again \o/ |
| 11:30.22 | itchi | RvGaTe: CyberGabber have complain about it this week, but he have not tell me he have 2 sound cards, i had support him a bit, and finaly he have not tell me if it have worked. So i had conclude it worked |
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| 11:31.01 | RvGaTe | im off now :) |
| 11:31.06 | itchi | RvGaTe: Have a nice day ;-) |
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| 11:32.27 | itchi | g8m: ;-) |
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| 11:39.39 | ArmEagle | liable ok. mysqld runs again thanks. What was that patch you were talking about? |
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| 11:39.52 | ArmEagle | oh and i forgot.. how do i check what debian version i have? |
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| 11:40.06 | ArmEagle | i always forget simple stuff like that |
| 11:40.12 | Guerin | !what version |
| 11:40.12 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 11:40.13 | liable | ArmEagle: the one you were going to submit to make dpkg log errors :) |
| 11:40.19 | ArmEagle | haha |
| 11:41.24 | ArmEagle | ok got sarge then |
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| 11:41.32 | ArmEagle | euh.. etch |
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| 11:42.55 | ArmEagle | liable it would be an interesting thing to do.. I dont do real programming that much. |
| 11:43.07 | staticxsource | if i have tiscali broadband setup in my home, is it still possible to use aol if i have an aol account aswell, or do ISP need to change some settings for it to work |
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| 11:43.35 | liable | ArmEagle: yeah, i dont do it at all. |
| 11:43.39 | ArmEagle | heh |
| 11:44.16 | liable | but i am <----------> this close to getting off my lazy ass and learning.. as soon as i finish this beer.. :P |
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| 11:44.31 | itchi | hehe |
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| 11:44.59 | ofer0 | liable, heh :P |
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| 11:46.44 | liable | i actually really want to do wireless driver stuff, but i cant learn just from reading books and stuff off the net, and i dont have time to go to uni. |
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| 11:49.09 | karmatronic | liable: maybe read linux druvers , the book |
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| 11:49.26 | liable | karmatronic: i need to learn c first |
| 11:49.31 | liable | i guess |
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| 11:49.34 | karmatronic | liable: right.... |
| 11:49.53 | karmatronic | liable: i know C , and i d like to write a linux driver someday |
| 11:50.11 | liable | and i really only learn well in a classroom environment. i guess i am just too lazy to learn it off my own back |
| 11:50.14 | karmatronic | liable: it s like of my ultimate goals |
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| 11:50.41 | karmatronic | liable: learning from books is cool too |
| 11:50.58 | karmatronic | liable: that s the way i learnt python and C |
| 11:51.05 | karmatronic | liable: if you like the language it s easy |
| 11:51.17 | liable | karmatronic: i cant seem to do it. i think i have 3 c books, including K&R |
| 11:51.26 | karmatronic | try python |
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| 11:51.36 | karmatronic | seriously |
| 11:51.46 | ArmEagle | everyone speaks in terms of 'need to learn [programming language]'. Though the languages are not too different. The problem lies in knowing an API you'll be using a lot to interface to hardware/other systems. Not the language itself.. |
| 11:51.47 | karmatronic | liable: or bash |
| 11:51.49 | liable | yeah, a lot of people say that actually |
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| 11:52.27 | karmatronic | ArmEagle: yeah iagree but knowing the APIs without the core language wont help you a lot |
| 11:52.43 | xingu | functional languages take a whole lot of getting used to. |
| 11:52.49 | karmatronic | ArmEagle: plus |
| 11:52.53 | ArmEagle | karmatronic yeah true.. C had its perks :P |
| 11:53.04 | liable | i need to enrol in a class that makes me do shit, otherwise i just waste my time drinking beer and ircing |
| 11:53.14 | karmatronic | ArmEagle: you learn API when you need it |
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| 11:53.57 | ArmEagle | ah i just hack away anyway :P |
| 11:53.58 | xingu | best way to learn a new language is to tackle a non-synthetic problem with it |
| 11:54.30 | liable | bug fixing no good? |
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| 11:54.33 | ArmEagle | will change soon though, when i'll have to work with the devil-OS for my master thesis. |
| 11:55.27 | xingu | bug fixing teaches you syntax but nothing about data structures |
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| 11:58.50 | karmatronic | ArmEagle: doing a thesis? |
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| 11:59.25 | CyberGabber | Sorry for offtopic, but is it possible to read the history of a irc-channel conversation, AFTER i reboot my system ? |
| 11:59.45 | karmatronic | CyberGabber: dont think so |
| 11:59.54 | karmatronic | xingu: :) |
| 12:00.07 | tiolxpe | CyberGabber, only if you logged it |
| 12:00.32 | xingu | why haven't one of you slack arses created an irc<->wiki gateway yet? |
| 12:01.24 | CyberGabber | tiolxpe: If i login, then reboot, can i than 'pickup'the conversation where it was left... |
| 12:01.32 | xingu | for additional brownie points, break it down to an irc<->xmlrpc listener, and an xmlrpc<->wiki paster |
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| 12:02.17 | tiolxpe | CyberGabber, that depends on a few factors #1 if you remember what you was talking about #2 what irc client you are using #3 wether it had logging enabled |
| 12:02.53 | liable | CyberGabber: huh? |
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| 12:03.57 | jamesbrink | i have a question, why can i not view the files in /var/log as a regualr user, as far i know i set the right permisions |
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| 12:04.17 | liable | xingu: if my memory serves me correct you have a t60p? |
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| 12:04.55 | CyberGabber | tiolxpe: #1 ;-) short memory, but not SO short... I want this possibility, for this : If you got tips from others, need to run several commands, and to reboot, my IRC-client (irssi) is of course lost the converstaion-text. |
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| 12:05.48 | tiolxpe | CyberGrabber tell your irc client to log then |
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| 12:06.12 | liable | you cant pick up a convo if your box is turned off... |
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| 12:06.59 | jamesbrink | does anyone know what keeps a regular user out of /var/log ? |
| 12:07.16 | cahoot | perms |
| 12:07.52 | jamesbrink | my user is in the root group and i did a chmod -R 740 on logs and i still cannot cd into it |
| 12:08.15 | itchi | CyberGabber: What want you to know exactly? |
| 12:08.23 | cahoot | user is in root group? whats do you mean? |
| 12:08.27 | jamesbrink | root is the user owner and group on /var/log |
| 12:08.44 | scx | anyone can reccomend me a Xen hosting? |
| 12:08.59 | jamesbrink | i ran usermod -g root myusername |
| 12:09.18 | cahoot | don't do such |
| 12:09.38 | cahoot | learn to use sudo' |
| 12:09.50 | liable | jamesbrink: adm lets users see most logs |
| 12:10.01 | scx | I don't want to be forced into RedHat |
| 12:10.13 | xingu | liable: nope, uniwill p53in |
| 12:10.23 | jamesbrink | liable should i run chgrp adm on /var/log ? |
| 12:10.33 | scx | and the Xen hostings I've seen have too low value |
| 12:10.36 | liable | xingu: huh? |
| 12:10.39 | itchi | CyberGabber: If you want, i can give you my big logs :-) |
| 12:11.09 | xingu | liable: I've been looking at the z61p though - need to replace the missus' notebook this year |
| 12:11.17 | jamesbrink | the user is just somthing for a script the account is disabled |
| 12:11.46 | xingu | liable: http://www.uniwill.com/products/performance/p53in/p53in.php <-- sold by all sorts of noname co's. |
| 12:11.58 | liable | xingu: hrm, i thought you had one, have vague recolections of talking about ipw3945 with you |
| 12:12.09 | xingu | liable: yep, is ipw3945 |
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| 12:12.34 | liable | xingu: but i also vaguely reacll you mentioning the stinkpad |
| 12:12.36 | CyberGabber | itchi: Sometimes you got al lot of info, spreaded over 3-2 pages in my IRC-window. I do some commands, then a reboot. SO IRC-client closes. After reboot i will pickup the conversation, but that text is than gone / renewed. Howto see back that older text ? tiolxpe advised me to use IRC-logging, i'm testing it right now. |
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| 12:13.08 | xingu | liable: I've been looking at them is all - I use a real old t-series at work though, t21 I think |
| 12:13.21 | itchi | CyberGabber: I have heard that you can place 'tags' in irssi, to mark some stuff, but have not yet try that |
| 12:14.03 | itchi | tags or marks, dunno how it's called |
| 12:14.06 | liable | jamesbrink: no, aduuser foo adm |
| 12:14.14 | liable | adduser |
| 12:14.15 | CyberGabber | itchi: Aha, like breakpoints / placemarkers...something like that. |
| 12:14.16 | liable | gah |
| 12:14.24 | itchi | CyberGabber: Yeah |
| 12:14.25 | liable | wtf do i keep doing that lately |
| 12:14.27 | jamesbrink | i did im still gettin access denied |
| 12:14.46 | liable | jamesbrink: you need to log out and in again |
| 12:15.00 | cahoot | or at least su user |
| 12:15.47 | itchi | CyberGabber: But, you can configure irssi so that he log everything, each channel in a separeted log, and then grepping on it |
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| 12:18.16 | liable | xingu: then you are no help to me, you slacker! |
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| 12:19.30 | allefant | what packages do i need so firefox will display mathml? |
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| 12:22.14 | OpenStandards | hi, does anyone know what programming language is used for the debian etch installer by any chance |
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| 12:22.46 | splaine | i'd get either perl, python or bash |
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| 12:23.34 | liable | OpenStandards: #debian-boot on oftc |
| 12:23.53 | OpenStandards | will they know |
| 12:23.53 | liable | or just poke through it.. |
| 12:23.57 | OpenStandards | ok |
| 12:24.00 | liable | they wrote it... |
| 12:24.06 | OpenStandards | ahh ok cool |
| 12:24.08 | OpenStandards | thanks |
| 12:24.35 | liable | though they arent very talkative to users |
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| 12:24.46 | liable | its mostly a dev channel |
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| 12:28.05 | itchi | What's the default resolution without x? |
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| 12:28.22 | splaine | for console? what is in lilo vga= |
| 12:28.26 | liable | depends if you set a vga value |
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| 12:28.48 | itchi | splaine: He not like vga=791 :-s |
| 12:28.56 | liable | 640x380? or something like that |
| 12:29.07 | itchi | liable: I was think that value too |
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| 12:29.21 | itchi | ow 640x480 i mean |
| 12:29.46 | Shadowcat | 791 is 1024x768 |
| 12:29.59 | itchi | Yup, i have a list here, i try each value :-) |
| 12:30.07 | itchi | Backwards :-s |
| 12:30.18 | liable | vga=ask |
| 12:30.24 | Shadowcat | hmm we have itchi, where's scratchy |
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| 12:30.38 | liable | !irritate Shadowcat |
| 12:30.39 | dpkg | Shadowcat: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 12:30.42 | itchi | Shadowcat: On #debian-nl :-) scratchi is the bot |
| 12:30.48 | sam_uk | if a debian based system (64studio.com) starts freezing up completely is there any way to troubleshoot it? logs i could look at etc? |
| 12:30.55 | itchi | I'm the dumb person using it; shuuut |
| 12:30.57 | craigevil | !ot |
| 12:30.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 12:30.57 | Shadowcat | !windowssmite liable |
| 12:31.03 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 12:31.12 | liable | sam_uk: yes, ask the #debian-based channel |
| 12:31.16 | splaine | itchi if the vga= isn't working i think you have to set a kernel config option or something |
| 12:31.50 | liable | vga=ask |
| 12:31.58 | liable | dont make me say it again |
| 12:32.11 | itchi | splaine: I hoped a resolution of 1024x768 on my server, dumb gfx card :-( |
| 12:32.17 | monokrome | Anyone know any articles on learning about writing window managers? |
| 12:32.32 | itchi | liable: He not want more as 771 :-( |
| 12:32.45 | liable | itchi: then thats all you get |
| 12:32.46 | itchi | (800x600) |
| 12:32.53 | itchi | yup :-( |
| 12:33.01 | liable | itchi: it depends on your framebuffer driver |
| 12:33.10 | sam_uk | umm #debian-based doesn't exist does it? was that a joke? |
| 12:33.27 | itchi | liable: eeuhm, what's framebuffer? :-) |
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| 12:33.58 | liable | sam_uk: sorry, not a joke, i meant to ask your channel for your 'debian-based' distro. |
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| 12:34.12 | itchi | !beer abrotman |
| 12:34.13 | itchi | :-p |
| 12:34.16 | liable | sam_uk: we cant possibly support all of them |
| 12:34.32 | abrotman | itchi: hi |
| 12:34.59 | liable | abrotman must be like the debian mascot or something |
| 12:35.18 | abrotman | liable: i don't even need shots! |
| 12:35.21 | abrotman | erm .. vet shots |
| 12:35.29 | liable | baaaa |
| 12:35.35 | sam_uk | liable there is no irc for 64studio |
| 12:35.52 | liable | sam_uk: then try there mailing list |
| 12:35.56 | liable | their |
| 12:36.01 | abrotman | there is #linuxaudio .. but i'm not sure how related it is .. or sam_uk: try ##linux .. a general linux channel |
| 12:36.51 | sam_uk | hmm i think i might just re-install it with 'pure' debian |
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| 12:37.05 | liable | sam_uk: good idea |
| 12:37.35 | splaine | itchi - you have to have kernel source to config the framebuffer for you specific video card - do you have it? |
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| 12:38.17 | liable | itchi: framebuffer drives your vga bits |
| 12:38.53 | itchi | splaine: no |
| 12:38.59 | liable | splaine: its enabled in debian kernels |
| 12:39.05 | itchi | liable: I dunno what framebuffer is :-s |
| 12:39.15 | liable | itchi: so go google it |
| 12:39.21 | itchi | liable: yup ;-) |
| 12:39.59 | abrotman | he can be taught! |
| 12:40.08 | asg | abrotman: by spanking? |
| 12:40.18 | itchi | liable: To expand the RAM of my gfx card? |
| 12:40.24 | liable | itchi: no |
| 12:40.31 | abrotman | asg: i would never! |
| 12:40.44 | liable | thats not what i heard |
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| 12:43.35 | itchi | It's a VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) I'm sure, i can not boost it :-s |
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| 12:44.16 | kokoa | in kde desktop my netwrok card is work |
| 12:44.22 | kokoa | but in gnome no why ? |
| 12:44.36 | asg | ENOPARSE |
| 12:44.50 | StormBlade | how can i see the file names with international characters in an ntfs file system |
| 12:45.06 | Draconicus | Hey, I've had the same problem twice now during installation. The first time I went to select a mirror I chose ftp.us.debian.org. The progress for scanning the mirror jumped to 40% and stayed there for well over an hour. Frustrated, I tried reinstalling and chose ftp.debian.org instead. It seems to be doing the same thing. |
| 12:45.09 | Draconicus | What's going on? |
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| 12:45.15 | StormBlade | how can i see the file names with international characters in an ntfs file system |
| 12:45.27 | abrotman | StormBlade: you're going to have hve linux use an encoding NTFS can understand |
| 12:45.29 | liable | kokoa: if it works in kde, and not gnome, then the gnome config stuff seems broken, use the low level tools |
| 12:45.34 | kokoa | i want to download debian how ? |
| 12:45.38 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 12:45.39 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 12:45.41 | kokoa | i dont want the 15 CD |
| 12:45.42 | liable | asg: what does that actually mean? |
| 12:45.58 | asg | liable: what? ENOPARSE? |
| 12:46.00 | abrotman | Draconicus: sounds like one of the mirrors isn't responding .. try a different mirror |
| 12:46.03 | liable | yeah |
| 12:46.11 | abrotman | he didn't get it |
| 12:46.13 | itchi | asg: ENOCRISTALBALL?? |
| 12:46.15 | asg | liable: I haven't a clue what he was talking about |
| 12:46.32 | asg | itchi: ENOCRYSTALGAIL |
| 12:46.36 | abrotman | EVAGUEINTERNETJOKE |
| 12:46.46 | abrotman | asg: my mom ikes her |
| 12:46.47 | itchi | asg: I'm grald for you :-p |
| 12:46.54 | abrotman | asg: and i think it's gayle :) |
| 12:46.54 | itchi | oeps, glad* |
| 12:47.03 | asg | abrotman: yeah, and it's early |
| 12:47.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 12:47.20 | Draconicus | abrotman: I should have gone with a different mirror that second time... Now I have to go through the whole install process a third time. >_< |
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| 12:47.39 | Draconicus | Is the system bootable into shell at this point? Can I just configure the apt repo manually? |
| 12:48.08 | abrotman | Draconicus: it's not that long of a process |
| 12:48.18 | abrotman | Draconicus: yes it would be .. if you used CD1 or the netinst |
| 12:48.26 | abrotman | and yes you can configure them later :) |
| 12:48.29 | Draconicus | Installing The Base System takes an awful long time, but anyway.. |
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| 12:48.40 | liable | Draconicus: which installer do you have? |
| 12:48.42 | asg | abrotman: if he had CD1, he wouldn't need to be installing it from the intarweb now would he |
| 12:48.43 | Draconicus | I'm doing a very basic install, anyway. |
| 12:48.44 | Draconicus | CD1 |
| 12:48.56 | liable | Draconicus: disconnect your ethernet |
| 12:49.01 | Draconicus | liable: No. :) |
| 12:49.04 | Draconicus | I'll just reinstall. |
| 12:49.13 | liable | Draconicus: let it install then bring it up |
| 12:49.17 | Draconicus | I had to fight with three different cards to get ethernet to work. I'm not pulling it now. |
| 12:49.17 | liable | Draconicus: dude |
| 12:49.22 | liable | thats stupid |
| 12:49.23 | abrotman | asg: you can choose your source |
| 12:49.38 | liable | Draconicus: the cable, not the card.... |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | doesn't need to pull the cable either |
| 12:49.57 | Draconicus | liable: I know. Network is not the problem right now. Even if I did, the installer would not continue, I'll bet you. |
| 12:49.58 | asg | abrotman: he can also do that after getting a base install up and running |
| 12:50.02 | splaine | ifconfig ethx downn |
| 12:50.08 | abrotman | asg: EDUH |
| 12:50.08 | liable | Draconicus: it will |
| 12:50.23 | liable | Draconicus: how much? |
| 12:50.40 | Draconicus | Uhuh. Well anyway, thanks for the help. I think I've got this figured out. |
| 12:50.51 | Draconicus | Bad mirror, that's all. It's your default mirror selection. You guys should check that out.; |
| 12:51.24 | Draconicus | Newbies will likely just go with the default, and if it's not working there will be big problems. |
| 12:51.31 | abrotman | Draconicus: it's not a single mirror .. it's four or five |
| 12:51.34 | liable | mirrors break at random times |
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| 12:51.59 | abrotman | Draconicus: and if you've caching DNS .. you're likely to get the same broken one repeatedly |
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| 12:52.24 | liable | big problems eh? |
| 12:52.31 | asg | nah |
| 12:52.50 | wsjunior | hello, i just installed debian with gnome and now i would like to install kde and completely remove gnome. what is the best way to do so?! |
| 12:53.06 | asg | wsjunior: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 12:53.16 | asg | wsjunior: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 12:53.17 | itchi | wsjunior: See /msg dpkg install kde /msg remove gnome |
| 12:53.21 | liable | and apt-get install kde-core |
| 12:53.28 | wsjunior | thanks guys |
| 12:53.31 | liable | eeek |
| 12:53.51 | Draconicus | liable: If this mirror is down for any length of time and people who have never used Debian before are unable to install because they simply chose the default mirror that's first highlighted on the list, then yes, there will be problems - mainly lots of people complaining on the channels, forums, etc. |
| 12:53.54 | itchi | yeah did typo again :-p |
| 12:54.01 | Draconicus | Anyway, thanks. |
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| 12:54.50 | liable | i hate it when people have a big whine and /part immediately |
| 12:55.05 | abrotman | admittedly .. the mirror shouldn't be in the roundrobin if it's broken |
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| 12:55.09 | itchi | liable: hehe, i was going to reply to him to |
| 12:55.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried compiling Warsow (a game). When I ran it, it just output the text: ERROR: Could not find any shaders! |
| 12:55.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
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| 12:55.50 | liable | abrotman: well, do you know which mirror he is talking about? are you sure he actually meant the miiror he was talking about? |
| 12:55.59 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: compile glibc again ;) |
| 12:56.01 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: ask them .. not us .. |
| 12:56.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Very funny. :) |
| 12:56.18 | liable | abrotman: ftp.debian.org is working here atm |
| 12:56.18 | abrotman | liable: ftp.us.debian.org .. i think |
| 12:56.46 | liable | he mentioned ftp.debian.org to |
| 12:57.12 | itchi | Here to, it should be his dns |
| 12:58.13 | liable | abrotman: not having a go at you, i just dislike people coming here and mouthing off without us being able to debug and explain |
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| 12:58.31 | craigevil | ftp.us.debian.org works just fine |
| 12:58.34 | abrotman | liable: i do too ... but he'll be back .. hopefully ;) |
| 12:58.46 | abrotman | craigevil: ftp.us.d.o is five machines or so |
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| 12:58.59 | asg | abrotman: if he comes back, alt+f4 and find out what the problem is is my suggestion |
| 12:59.05 | abrotman | Address: 204.152.191.7 |
| 12:59.05 | abrotman | Address: 35.9.37.225 |
| 12:59.06 | abrotman | Address: 128.101.240.212 |
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| 13:01.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Asking in #warsow (on quakenet) is completely useless. 99.9% of the people there are just gamers who probably don't even know the meaning of the word "compilation" |
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| 13:01.51 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: warsow isn't in debian .. |
| 13:02.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I know, that's why I tried compiling it myself |
| 13:02.20 | splaine | it is in polond? |
| 13:02.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I don't know where else to ask... |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: email the developers |
| 13:02.32 | frafra | hi all. does exist a control manager like yast in debian? |
| 13:02.39 | abrotman | splaine: it's a game |
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| 13:02.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: That's pointless, they don't bother to read their email. |
| 13:03.03 | asg | frafra: we prefer to use vi and edit the config files directly |
| 13:03.11 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: try anyways |
| 13:03.27 | frafra | asg: yes, I know... :D but it's for a debian derivate distro for newbies |
| 13:03.31 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: The only way to get in touch with them is the Warsow forum |
| 13:03.37 | abrotman | okay .. so do it! |
| 13:03.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: And I forgot my password |
| 13:03.46 | abrotman | make a new account or have it sent to you |
| 13:03.49 | asg | frafra: ask the #ubuntu folks; debian itself doesn't have one |
| 13:03.55 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: that's a silly excuse.. |
| 13:03.56 | frafra | ok, thansk |
| 13:03.58 | frafra | *thanks |
| 13:04.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: I tried having it sent to me, the email never arrived. :/ |
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| 13:04.50 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: then make a new account |
| 13:05.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Argh, fine. |
| 13:05.04 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: There seems to be a .deb for elive.., anyway check the forums. |
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| 13:05.32 | abrotman | hark: has nothing to do with elive .. he's been trying to play a game for weeks .. |
| 13:05.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Is it 64-bit? |
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| 13:06.05 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: i don't know. just did a google search. |
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| 13:06.41 | hark | abrotman: i know, and about his misadventures as well :) |
| 13:07.00 | abrotman | hark: compile the game for him!\ |
| 13:07.17 | StormBlade | how can i see the file names with international characters in an ntfs file system |
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| 13:07.58 | splaine | mount the ntfs file system with the ISO international character set |
| 13:08.02 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: send me a 64 bit machine,and I'll compile a binary for you :) |
| 13:08.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
| 13:08.44 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: but seriously, try the forums. They would know. |
| 13:09.03 | asg | or give up on the game and find something else to play |
| 13:09.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: They don't, really. I asked before about a different issue, and got no replies at all. |
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| 13:09.30 | hark | too bad.. |
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| 13:11.18 | splaine | Dark* - did you post in all caps 'that it runs under windows xp and it should run under linux ...' |
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| 13:18.35 | asg | :E |
| 13:18.39 | asg | !:E |
| 13:18.39 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 13:18.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | If I had a job, and therefore money, I might have |
| 13:19.03 | Cthulhu[SLP] | bl |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: then beg ? :) |
| 13:19.30 | asg | offer sexual favors? |
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| 13:19.47 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375430 |
| 13:19.49 | adrakoa | hi!! |
| 13:20.18 | adrakoa | hi cyzie: |
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| 13:20.49 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-games/packages/trunk/warsow/?rev=0&sc=0 |
| 13:20.56 | cyzie | adrakoa, ? |
| 13:21.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Already seen it |
| 13:21.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | But my problem isn't compiling it, it's making it run... |
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| 13:21.45 | splaine | Dark* are you missing a library? |
| 13:22.06 | adrakoa | cyzie: ntfs-3g problem? |
| 13:22.38 | boodie | Hi - I intend to buy: a webcam, a sound/midi board and a IEEE1394 board ... I can't find any useful compatibility list for them. Can anybody give me a hint? |
| 13:22.45 | cyzie | adrakoa, u have answer nwo ? |
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| 13:23.34 | abrotman | splaine: if he were missing a library .. it shouldn't have compiled |
| 13:23.51 | splaine | there are run time libraries - no? |
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| 13:24.02 | abrotman | shuldn't it check for thos ? |
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| 13:24.04 | abrotman | those |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | cyzie: i thought we had you trained ... |
| 13:24.54 | Kom[AFK] | hola, i have a very weird general linux problem. I have this system running dualboot xp/debian. Since last night it's impossible to boot debian in graphical mode. It even locks up b4 i can witch to console. I have a linux live cd that also locks up even at boot.. probably becaus those live cd's use framebuffer and bootsplash aswell. XP runs fine, even 3d games.. no problem at all. Anyone got any idea why linux just suddenly cannot boot using anything related to |
| 13:25.04 | hark | !fix cyzie |
| 13:25.23 | splaine | Dark* run ldd pgm and see if a library is missing |
| 13:25.32 | abrotman | Kom[AFK]: where does it stop booting ? |
| 13:25.51 | cyzie | abrotman, heehehe.. |
| 13:25.58 | Kom[AFK] | the installed debian os when it launches gdm |
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| 13:26.18 | Kom[AFK] | i try to ctrl-alt-f2 but it just locks up to fast |
| 13:26.30 | eisen | does it boot without bootsplash? |
| 13:26.32 | Kom[AFK] | the live cd after loading the initrd |
| 13:26.49 | liable | live cd? |
| 13:27.07 | Kom[AFK] | yes it boots without bootsplash however it uses framebuffer and bootsplash is enabled but never actualy worked |
| 13:29.29 | Kom[AFK] | live cd uses a bootsplash |
| 13:29.30 | Kom[AFK] | so that hangs straight away |
| 13:29.30 | eisen | you can pass "s" to the kernel to boot into single user mode I believe |
| 13:29.31 | Kom[AFK] | eisen yes but does that mean directly to console too? |
| 13:29.33 | eisen | yes |
| 13:29.33 | Kom[AFK] | ok thx |
| 13:29.34 | eisen | no network though |
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| 13:29.34 | Kom[AFK] | oh |
| 13:29.34 | Kom[AFK] | well that i can miss |
| 13:29.34 | hark | but you can disable gdm then |
| 13:29.34 | eisen | you'd have to start it manually then |
| 13:29.34 | Kom[AFK] | yup idd |
| 13:29.35 | AI_coder | what is a good easy to use blog? |
| 13:29.35 | Kom[AFK] | from there on i know |
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| 13:29.37 | Kom[AFK] | did not know single user mode would be basic enough |
| 13:29.56 | Kom[AFK] | thx heaps |
| 13:30.22 | Kom[AFK] | is there a known update or something that causes this problem on ati cards? |
| 13:31.02 | hark | Kom[AFK]: fglrx or the radeon driver? |
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| 13:31.17 | Kom[AFK] | i was using the fglrx |
| 13:31.36 | Kom[AFK] | but that one had no kernel modules matching the kernel lately when using xorg 7 |
| 13:31.52 | Kom[AFK] | basicly all i lost was 3D rendering |
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| 13:32.08 | Kom[AFK] | for games |
| 13:33.18 | Kom[AFK] | any thx for info gonna change drivers in xorg.conf or run a reconfigure |
| 13:33.27 | Kom[AFK] | and test a bit :[ |
| 13:33.42 | Kom[AFK] | cya soon maybe |
| 13:33.45 | Kom[AFK] | hehe |
| 13:33.56 | eisen | do you use the bootsplash rc script from unstable? |
| 13:34.09 | Kom[AFK] | no i use testing |
| 13:34.16 | Kom[AFK] | etch |
| 13:34.21 | eisen | ah, was just interested |
| 13:34.53 | Kom[AFK] | have enough work on etch sometimes when some updates screw certain things up |
| 13:34.56 | boodie | Hi - I intend to buy: a webcam, a sound/midi board and a IEEE1394 board ... I can't find any useful compatibility list for them. Can anybody give me a hint? |
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| 13:35.09 | Kom[AFK] | l8erz |
| 13:35.42 | abrotman | google "linux driver <device>" |
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| 13:36.09 | itchi | boodie: Maybe look also in the 'modconf' ?? |
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| 13:36.51 | eisen | suse has a nice compatibility database |
| 13:36.59 | apfel | ls -l --color highlights directories (ugly background color) which have write permissions for everyone set. How can I change this? |
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| 13:37.07 | eisen | http://cdb.suse.de/ |
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| 13:37.30 | abrotman | eisen: which is useful for the SuSE distro ... |
| 13:37.44 | eisen | it's still a linux kernel |
| 13:37.46 | splaine | apfel - do you want to change the ugly background color? or the write permissions on the directories? |
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| 13:38.35 | abrotman | eisen: they also allow more DFSG-non-free drivers/etc |
| 13:38.42 | boodie | itchi: modconf? |
| 13:39.05 | abrotman | boodie: it's a command in debian .. you can read about modules |
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| 13:39.20 | eisen | abrotman: true |
| 13:39.26 | itchi | boodie: You need maybe first install it btw |
| 13:39.35 | cahoot | boodie, wrt sound - stay away from the latest creative like xfi - no hope for alsa support presently |
| 13:39.36 | abrotman | eisen: however .. boodie didn't ask about using debian on the box :) |
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| 13:41.41 | boodie | Well - this is THE problem ; I hate to first buy a device and THEN have to struggle with it, without knowing whether it works or not. If I was sure it worked, I would then find the way, but I don't want to buy it first and then discover after a month of headache that it's hopeless |
| 13:42.03 | apfel | splaine: the background color |
| 13:42.33 | cahoot | boodie, you'll have to spende month googling before you by |
| 13:42.40 | boodie | cahoot: this is good information ... |
| 13:42.46 | Plow | dpkg is down :P |
| 13:42.47 | eisen | cheap often works best |
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| 13:43.02 | abrotman | Plow: the bot ? |
| 13:43.03 | abrotman | !hi |
| 13:43.14 | abrotman | not down .. just gone ... |
| 13:43.17 | Plow | * dpkg has quit IRC (Excess Flood) |
| 13:43.22 | boodie | this is where a good linux magazine should help (problem is they don't) |
| 13:43.32 | abrotman | Plow: he'll come back |
| 13:43.39 | splaine | apfel -> /etc/DIR_COLORS |
| 13:43.42 | cahoot | boodie, it's a moving target |
| 13:44.48 | boodie | Here we have several, but all they do is including the latest gentoo, xubuntu, kubuntu, wubuntu an all that jazz distribution and comment on and on about the beauties of themlike |
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| 13:45.36 | apfel | splaine: thanks. That gives me something to search for. |
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| 13:46.39 | boodie | Honestly, I have my distro on and I don't spend time testing fedora, ubuntu, gentoo and all their possible flavours ... |
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| 13:47.17 | splaine | boodie - i don't see mandriva there |
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| 13:48.16 | itchi | boodie: A bit time wasting, only debian is sooo good :-) |
| 13:48.18 | boodie | Oh, yes, of course, what would you do without it ... |
| 13:48.40 | splaine | boodie - asus a8n-vm csm (dual core) is cheap and perfect |
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| 13:49.05 | boodie | Well, I found debian the simplest, I'm a "goat" in every sense, and not an IT professional |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | cast: why ? |
| 13:49.35 | boodie | spaline: is it a motherboard? |
| 13:49.52 | cast | was going to get it to tell me the link to the graph of release blocking etch bugs |
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| 13:50.08 | abrotman | cast: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 13:50.09 | Quibus | hi all |
| 13:50.12 | asg | cast: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchTODOList |
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| 13:50.29 | cast | :) |
| 13:50.32 | Quibus | Is it me, or is the RC bug number not going down, lately? |
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| 13:50.43 | abrotman | it's been up |
| 13:50.45 | Quibus | wb, dpkg |
| 13:50.46 | asg | Quibus: been going up in fact |
| 13:51.01 | Quibus | asg: yes, what's going on? Trouble? |
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| 13:51.16 | asg | Quibus: no, just people finding more bugs and reporting them. |
| 13:51.23 | Quibus | That's good |
| 13:51.32 | Quibus | Freeze is in progress, so that means higher quality |
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| 13:52.24 | Quibus | that TODO list is quite long |
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| 13:53.52 | splaine | yes boodie |
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| 13:54.34 | Quibus | I have the feeling some of thsoe issues have already been taken care of, actually |
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| 13:57.03 | Zonneken | hi, here i'm again. Single user mode does start gdm aswell. However i got lucky and had been confronted with the possibility to "enter root pass for maintenance" and reconfigured the xorg there |
| 13:57.14 | Zonneken | gdm does boot again now |
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| 13:58.01 | Zonneken | but gnome however hangs on the splash screen |
| 13:58.12 | Quibus | Zonneken: that sounds familiar |
| 13:58.38 | Zonneken | can move my mouse but can't even swat tty anymore again |
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| 13:58.56 | Zonneken | Quibus, u have sollution? or could help me a bit further |
| 13:59.01 | Quibus | I don't |
| 13:59.17 | Quibus | If you wait a few minutes, the splash screen might go away |
| 13:59.26 | Zonneken | I noticed in syslog the a lot of 'radeonfb' loading |
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| 13:59.35 | joeamined | hi |
| 13:59.57 | joeamined | how can i set an environment variable ? |
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| 13:59.59 | Zonneken | in xorg.conf there is not a single line pointing to radeon |
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| 14:00.13 | Quibus | Zonneken: 'fb' stuff is not related to Xorg |
| 14:00.16 | joeamined | i tried export NAME=VALUE but when i close the terminal, the value is lost |
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| 14:00.40 | asg | Zonneken: often, framebuffer consoles and X don't get along. Try booting with vga=normal and see if that doesn't help things. |
| 14:01.01 | Quibus | joeamined: you want it permanent? Put it in a file like ~/.bashrc, so it will get set whenever you open your bash shell |
| 14:01.05 | tonyb2006 | radeonfb+ati X drivers = fail |
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| 14:01.14 | Quibus | and use export NAME=VALUE |
| 14:01.55 | joeamined | quibus : in bashrc i just add its name ? |
| 14:02.02 | Zonneken | 'console switching to colour frame buffer device80x30 radeonfb... |
| 14:02.17 | Quibus | no, .bashrc is just a script that gets executed |
| 14:02.17 | joeamined | in fact it's a variable used by bouml (a uml modelling application) |
| 14:02.19 | Zonneken | what does control this and how can i get rid of it? |
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| 14:02.36 | Quibus | E.g, I have this in my .bashrc: |
| 14:02.38 | Quibus | export EDITOR=gvim |
| 14:02.48 | asg | Zonneken: add 'vga=normal' to your kernel options in lilo.conf or grub's menu.lst |
| 14:03.04 | h3sp4wn | radeonfb has never been enabled automatically for me in debian |
| 14:03.20 | Quibus | joeamined: you can also run that application from a little script that first sets the variable and then starts the real app |
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| 14:03.38 | Zonneken | ok |
| 14:03.38 | joeamined | quibus : i did it but still the same problem |
| 14:03.50 | Quibus | use export |
| 14:03.56 | joeamined | actually it's not a console application |
| 14:03.57 | Quibus | you did what? |
| 14:04.02 | Quibus | that doesn't matter |
| 14:04.13 | Thms | is there a good graphical bandwidht monitor ? |
| 14:04.14 | Zonneken | omg |
| 14:04.19 | joeamined | i added export BOUML_ID=2 in ~.bashrc |
| 14:04.36 | Zonneken | i get some sort of misformed bootsplash after triggering 'reboot' |
| 14:04.40 | Quibus | joeamined: that only works if you start that application from a terminal |
| 14:04.49 | joeamined | ah ok |
| 14:05.04 | joeamined | and how to set the variable for non terminal apps ? |
| 14:05.18 | Quibus | The only way I know is how I described the 2nd option: |
| 14:05.21 | Quibus | joeamined: you can also run that application from a little script that first sets the variable and then starts the real app |
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| 14:06.38 | Zonneken | ok rebooted but the gnome & kde keep hanging on the splash screen |
| 14:07.12 | Quibus | Zonneken: maybe you have some files in your home dir that are owned by root now |
| 14:07.17 | Zonneken | actualy : the whole box hangs on it |
| 14:07.23 | Quibus | oh |
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| 14:07.33 | Zonneken | all i can do is move the mouse |
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| 14:07.48 | Zonneken | quibus this system has been working for a long while with no problems |
| 14:08.02 | Quibus | what did you do then? |
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| 14:08.05 | Zonneken | you know that i can't even start the gui installer from the debian dvd anymore... |
| 14:08.27 | Zonneken | i tried to install a wifi usb |
| 14:08.35 | Zonneken | wich failed and removed the module |
| 14:08.39 | Quibus | 'the debian dvd'? The RC? |
| 14:09.03 | Zonneken | as when plugging in ifconfig had cpu load 98% forever.. |
| 14:09.14 | Zonneken | i use jigdo testing |
| 14:09.18 | Zonneken | weekly builds |
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| 14:09.45 | Zonneken | the one i tried was DEBIAN ETCH 64b build 19-12-06 |
| 14:09.47 | Quibus | why do you need the installer if you have the system already installed? |
| 14:10.18 | Zonneken | i was just trying to get a view on the problem witch i still don't know |
| 14:10.49 | Zonneken | the weirdest thing is : NOTHING that has the name LINUX is capable of doing anything graphical anymore |
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| 14:11.02 | Zonneken | weither its installed or a live cd or even debian install dvd |
| 14:11.06 | dxy | does the official website has lists of hardwares support, esp. sarge 3.1 |
| 14:11.23 | valdyn | !hcl |
| 14:11.24 | dpkg | methinks hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 14:11.28 | Zonneken | and it can't be the vid card as i already tought that and bought a new one :[ |
| 14:11.52 | dxy | thanks |
| 14:11.57 | Zonneken | also i can play guildwars on the xp boot |
| 14:12.11 | Zonneken | that uses directx9 and direct3d |
| 14:12.23 | dxy | i hope ati 9200 is supported |
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| 14:12.41 | valdyn | Zonneken: why do you think that X is the problem when its obviously not ( splashscreen shows ) ? |
| 14:12.59 | valdyn | dxy: it is |
| 14:13.08 | Zonneken | valdyn, becaus i realy don't know it anymore |
| 14:13.22 | Zonneken | i can work on the box in console |
| 14:13.38 | dxy | valdyn: thanks |
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| 14:13.47 | Zonneken | but even a live cd or debian gui installer make the system simply hang all of a sudden |
| 14:14.03 | Quibus | sounds like broken hardware |
| 14:14.07 | Zonneken | so it aint anything to do with files installed on the hd neither |
| 14:14.11 | valdyn | Zonneken: some of your or the driver for it is borked |
| 14:14.17 | valdyn | Zonneken: some of your hardware or the driver for it is borked |
| 14:14.23 | SpoonMeiser | if I upgraded something using aptitude -t <something> install <package>, how do I change it back to the original version? |
| 14:14.24 | Zonneken | i replaced the video card.. |
| 14:14.38 | Zonneken | same thing |
| 14:14.38 | valdyn | Zonneken: the video card never was the issue as X starts fine.. |
| 14:14.50 | dxy | if i fetch xorg from backports mirror, will xorg work on sarge? |
| 14:15.03 | blondie | just use etch |
| 14:15.09 | valdyn | dxy: that xorg from backports.org is just for sarge only |
| 14:15.10 | Quibus | Might be a network problem. See if you have a lo device. |
| 14:15.10 | Zonneken | why can i play games without even an issue on windows then? |
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| 14:15.18 | Zonneken | its a dual boot and using the same hardware |
| 14:15.31 | valdyn | !whine |
| 14:15.31 | dpkg | methinks whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
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| 14:15.48 | valdyn | Zonneken: now remove that hardware you added, that usb wifi for instance |
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| 14:16.05 | Zonneken | yup thats off.. |
| 14:16.07 | Quibus | Yeah, remove anything you added |
| 14:16.11 | Zonneken | even been swapping mem |
| 14:16.23 | Zonneken | removed all disks to boot from live cd |
| 14:16.36 | dxy | valdyn: ok i have the minimal install iso for sarge, does xorg work here? |
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| 14:16.42 | Zonneken | only mobo and processor left |
| 14:16.56 | liable | dxy: no xorg in sarge |
| 14:17.10 | valdyn | dxy: sarge is sarge, doesnt matter what you install it with |
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| 14:17.57 | valdyn | !xorg sarge |
| 14:17.58 | dpkg | from memory, xorg sarge is now available at http://backports.org/, or ask me about <bpo> |
| 14:18.30 | liable | let me rephrase, no xorg in debians repos for sarge |
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| 14:18.54 | craigevil | if you dont already have sarge installed why not install etch |
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| 14:19.26 | Thms | what can i use for gnutella on debian ? |
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| 14:19.40 | valdyn | !tell Thms -about search |
| 14:19.44 | abrotman | Thms: apt-cache search gnutella |
| 14:19.51 | Thms | I know -_- |
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| 14:19.58 | abrotman | _-_ |
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| 14:20.00 | Thms | but gift is too bad :s |
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| 14:20.03 | SpoonMeiser | anyone? how do I replace a package I installed from backports with the package not from backports? |
| 14:20.10 | abrotman | !info gtk-gnutella etch |
| 14:20.17 | asg | SpoonMeiser: remove the former, install the latter |
| 14:20.22 | valdyn | SpoonMeiser: purge the backports.org package first |
| 14:20.26 | abrotman | !info gtk-gnutella sid |
| 14:20.28 | dxy | so xorg runs without a problem with sarge? |
| 14:20.30 | dpkg | gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section net, is optional. Version: 0.96.1svn12109-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2261 kB, Installed size: 7668 kB |
| 14:20.37 | valdyn | SpoonMeiser: just remove isn't really safe |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | Thms: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:20.46 | Thms | thanks |
| 14:20.53 | abrotman | or just try to install that directly from sid |
| 14:20.59 | abrotman | erm .. packages.d.o |
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| 14:24.10 | Thms | thanks abrotman I make a simpe backport |
| 14:24.31 | Thms | abrotman: but now I am still on etch but with 1 sid package ? |
| 14:24.35 | SpoonMeiser | valdyn, asg: thanks. I'm using aptitude and was hoping I could do it with that without it automatically removing orphaned packages at the same time |
| 14:24.46 | SpoonMeiser | but nevermind, it's done now |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | Thms: yeah .. but the binary package might install .. etch and sid are simlar at this point |
| 14:25.23 | abrotman | Thms: let me try it on my box |
| 14:25.37 | Thms | okay abrotman thanks |
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| 14:26.46 | abrotman | Thms: yep .. i just grabbed the package from sid .. installed fine on my etch box (mixing is normally VERY bad) |
| 14:26.57 | stephans | what is the advantage of debian over say ubuntu or other derivatives? |
| 14:27.15 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 14:27.15 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:27.15 | valdyn | !why debian |
| 14:27.17 | splaine | you get to chat with liable |
| 14:27.18 | asg | stephans: it doesn't have a lot of crap by default and maintains the DFSG |
| 14:27.22 | valdyn | !win valdyn |
| 14:27.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, valdyn! You have won the US presidency! |
| 14:27.32 | Thms | abrotman: but is this mixing bad ? no ? |
| 14:27.40 | stephans | DFSG? |
| 14:27.45 | asg | !dfsg |
| 14:27.45 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 14:28.14 | liable | SpoonMeiser: ah newer debian package should be a higher release number and replaced automatically |
| 14:28.18 | valdyn | Thms: in the case of just installing a single application its not big deal, worst case just that app wouldnt work |
| 14:28.20 | abrotman | Thms: it is mixing .. but the package installs cleanly .. and there's no current veresion in etch because someone decided to do it ..and sid and etch are so close right now |
| 14:28.22 | liable | s/ah/a/ |
| 14:28.33 | valdyn | Thms: standard libraries could be ugly |
| 14:28.42 | liable | like siamese twins |
| 14:28.49 | abrotman | Thms: and still you'll have to play games with it .. grrr .. /me misses gnut |
| 14:29.12 | stephans | asg so in practice... i want to set up a server.... is debian easier? more stable? Better configuration tool? |
| 14:29.12 | liable | splaine: ?? |
| 14:29.13 | Thms | okay I hope it's not bad for my debian :( |
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| 14:29.43 | splaine | if he used ubuntu he'd go to #ubuntu |
| 14:29.57 | Quibus | Thms: if it installs, one app can't hurt. Never do so with libraries though |
| 14:29.58 | stephans | asg also I need to setup unattended builds etc... |
| 14:30.02 | asg | stephans: it depends on your level of skill. Debian is ideal for stable server platforms |
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| 14:30.12 | liable | splaine: whats that got to do with me? |
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| 14:30.18 | Thms | okay Quibus |
| 14:30.39 | Quibus | Thms: just don't do it unless you really know what you're doing |
| 14:30.51 | valdyn | stephans: debian/stable is reliable and very well tested compared to any other distro |
| 14:30.52 | abrotman | i said it's okay! :) |
| 14:31.06 | Thms | abrotman: I can't run it |
| 14:31.11 | Quibus | Thms: if abrotman says it's OK, it's OK :-) |
| 14:31.13 | abrotman | Thms: why not ? |
| 14:31.19 | Quibus | It's probably too old |
| 14:31.23 | stephans | asg, I have several windows admins that will be transitioning to the linux platform... |
| 14:31.25 | Thms | abrotman: yes too old |
| 14:31.28 | abrotman | Thms: does it tell you to put that line in your file ? |
| 14:31.30 | Quibus | gtk-gnutella is unusable at the moment |
| 14:31.35 | stephans | On the server side |
| 14:31.36 | abrotman | ancient_version = <blahblahblbha> |
| 14:31.37 | Quibus | There's a bug report for this |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | yeah .. add the line .. it runs fine |
| 14:31.45 | Thms | yes abrotman but it don"t stay :x |
| 14:31.47 | Quibus | gtk-gnutella neesd debian-volatile |
| 14:31.50 | stephans | they have little or now skill in unix |
| 14:31.56 | abrotman | Quibus: mine works fine |
| 14:31.56 | valdyn | stephans: i wouldnt go as far as recommending debian/testing or sid over ubuntu/stable ( for a server ) |
| 14:32.00 | stephans | no skill sorry |
| 14:32.08 | Quibus | abrotman: that line is not recommended, it can break the network etc. |
| 14:32.23 | abrotman | Quibus: then maybe they shouldn't have it say that when it dies eh ? |
| 14:32.37 | stephans | valdun ok |
| 14:32.37 | Quibus | it does, but only when you run it from the cmdline |
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| 14:32.44 | stephans | valdyn ok |
| 14:32.55 | Thms | abrotman: I edited but the line don't stay on the file :s I used :wq but no way |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | ancient_version_force = "gtk-gnutella/0.96.2u (2006-09-23; r0; GTK2; Linux i686)" |
| 14:33.14 | Quibus | see e.g. bug 394876 |
| 14:33.35 | Quibus | I have a more recent built here |
| 14:34.09 | abrotman | !info gnut woody |
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| 14:34.17 | Thms | abrotman: works now |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | ack ... it's gone! |
| 14:34.20 | Thms | thanks a lot |
| 14:34.21 | Quibus | http://lumatec.be/joost/debian/gtk-gnutella_0.96.3-0.1_i386.deb |
| 14:34.28 | Quibus | Try that package |
| 14:34.29 | abrotman | Thms: okay .. good .. |
| 14:34.35 | abrotman | Quibus: it works for him .. leave it go |
| 14:34.37 | Quibus | You don't need the ancient stuff |
| 14:34.37 | zavie | Hi folks, do you know where should I ask for help for an OV511 based webcam installation on Debian? |
| 14:34.44 | Quibus | abrotman: but it's bad to use that ancient_version flag |
| 14:34.55 | abrotman | Quibus: bad for who? |
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| 14:35.08 | zavie | (sorry for the dumb question ^^; ) |
| 14:35.17 | Quibus | abrotman: for the gnutella network. Also, the user running such a version can get banned from the network. |
| 14:35.18 | abrotman | you can ask here |
| 14:35.19 | liable | zavie: its a kernel module problem, which does it use? |
| 14:35.26 | abrotman | Quibus: why is it bad for the network ? |
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| 14:35.42 | abrotman | Quibus: i don't use it much .. but i've never had an issue |
| 14:36.23 | Thms | abrotman: why mixing is sometime bad ? because it upgrades some libs ? |
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| 14:36.26 | zavie | liable: I've tried both kernel 2.6.{17|18} module and upstream src, and none work, so I guess porblem is me... |
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| 14:36.35 | abrotman | Thms: yeah ... all kinds of things can break |
| 14:36.52 | Thms | abrotman: and how do you know it is bad or good ? |
| 14:36.56 | abrotman | if you don't do it 'properly |
| 14:37.05 | valdyn | Thms: mixing in sid libraries may pull all kinds of sid things in, which in turn will bring you all the bugs of sid |
| 14:37.11 | abrotman | Thms: for the rasons i listed above |
| 14:37.22 | liable | zavie: which driver does it use? |
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| 14:37.40 | abrotman | Thms: you didn't need any other libraries or anything for gtk-gnutella .. you've only brought in that app |
| 14:37.47 | Quibus | abrotman: http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/en/?page=faq#gnet5 |
| 14:37.47 | zavie | liable: ov511/ovcamchip |
| 14:38.22 | abrotman | Quibus: i'm not getting "Harmful version" warning .. just ancient version |
| 14:38.46 | liable | zavie: and what are you trying to use it with? are you sure its the driver, or the app to use it? |
| 14:38.47 | Quibus | the version in sid is a CVS version, which gets banned relatively soon |
| 14:38.56 | Thms | abrotman: when i installed gtk-gnutella that installed me some libs |
| 14:39.10 | abrotman | Quibus: unless you use that string |
| 14:39.17 | abrotman | Thms: from etch though |
| 14:39.23 | Thms | okay abrotman |
| 14:39.34 | Quibus | abrotman: sigh... Ask a gnutella dev if you don't believe me :-) |
| 14:39.38 | zavie | liable: It's the driver: a cat /dev/video0 tells me there is no device. |
| 14:39.39 | abrotman | Quibus: regardless .. it seems to work for him |
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| 14:40.17 | abrotman | Quibus: i see the FAQ .. but i've been using an older version than the one in sid .. noone killed me yet |
| 14:40.28 | Quibus | You got results? |
| 14:40.32 | liable | zavie: whats dmesg say when you plug it in |
| 14:40.36 | abrotman | Quibus: of course i did |
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| 14:41.10 | Quibus | OK. Did you read the text when you start gtk-gnutella from the cmdline without that ancient_version thing enabled? |
| 14:41.13 | SpoonMeiser | how do I find out what version of a package is installed? |
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| 14:41.20 | asg | SpoonMeiser: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 14:41.26 | SpoonMeiser | thanks |
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| 14:41.42 | zavie | liable: "usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4" \n "usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice" |
| 14:41.48 | abrotman | Quibus: and i was justing gtk-gnutella 0.96.1svn11444-3+b1 |
| 14:41.51 | abrotman | erm .. using |
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| 14:41.54 | abrotman | Quibus: yes i read it |
| 14:42.07 | zavie | liable: it does not seem to be recognized by the driver, does it? |
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| 14:42.30 | abrotman | Quibus: i'll even paste it for you if yu'd like ;) |
| 14:42.33 | Quibus | abrotman: I still think using the stable 0.96.3 version would be better :-) |
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| 14:42.45 | abrotman | Quibus: but not everyone likes to compile |
| 14:42.52 | Quibus | I pointed you to a .deb |
| 14:42.55 | abrotman | Quibus: if it becomes problematic later .. he can |
| 14:43.05 | abrotman | Quibus: for which version of debian ... |
| 14:43.08 | nicomen_ | I have a debian unstable syste running and for some reasons poll and select calls stall or take a long time. are there any gotchas in this regard I could look into? |
| 14:43.10 | Quibus | etch |
| 14:43.16 | nicomen_ | (2.6.18-3) |
| 14:43.19 | abrotman | keep it in your pocket :) |
| 14:43.23 | Quibus | it installed on my etch machine at least |
| 14:43.29 | abrotman | Quibus: or make a factoid for it |
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| 14:43.53 | Quibus | abrotman: um, how? :-) |
| 14:44.03 | asg | Quibus: /msg dpkg help |
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| 14:44.16 | abrotman | !gtk-gnutella |
| 14:44.22 | dpkg | i heard gtk-gnutella is semi-automatic warezing, or a p2p client, http://gtk-gnutella.sourceforge.net/, or if your client refuses to start becuase it is too old, try the debs from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=4467 |
| 14:44.25 | abrotman | how's that ? |
| 14:44.31 | Quibus | hey hey |
| 14:44.38 | Quibus | even more debs :-) |
| 14:44.45 | Quibus | hmm |
| 14:44.47 | Quibus | no debs there |
| 14:44.50 | Amadeo | Hey guys, I installed Etch last night and keep getting an atkbd.c error that tells me to use setkeycodes to fix. I have a standard US keyboard and the errors come up when I hit just about any key on it. I'm a Linux newbie, so I'd appreciate any help on a fix :) |
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| 14:49.44 | liable | zavie: doesnt seem so |
| 14:50.41 | adrakoa | emacs tip: (C == control && M == alt ) C-x 2 M-x shell |
| 14:50.45 | liable | time for sleep |
| 14:51.48 | zavie | liable: Oh, I was expected more verbosity. When I lsmod, I see ov511 and ovcamchip used by 0. Any idea where could it come from? |
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| 14:52.16 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 14:52.58 | liable | zavie: looks like udev/hotplug loaded the module, but it should have made the video dev. dunno what to suggest other than the driver documentation |
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| 14:55.38 | zavie | liable: ok I'll continue to dig (I'm quite surprised by the way because I read on forums making this webcam work was straight forward). Thank you for your help. |
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| 14:59.12 | zavie | liable: do you think V4L1/V4L2 could have anything to do with this ? |
| 15:00.11 | Skooter | my X wont use the ati-driver i've installed... can someone help? |
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| 15:02.32 | skooter | when i start x it says: (EE) fglrx(0): [agp] unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV" (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP |
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| 15:04.09 | CyberGabber | skooter: i also had problems installing the ATI-drivers. After days of trying, i found a (dutch) article, which helped me : http://www.blicbox.be/node/168. If reading dutch is a problem, i can translate for you... |
| 15:05.00 | skooter | well it is... im danish so dont understand :-S |
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| 15:05.29 | ahrasyl | nickserv identify !3141592653 |
| 15:05.43 | asg | oops |
| 15:06.34 | cahoot | hmm that's mine |
| 15:06.51 | asg | "That's my pie" -- Revenge of the Nerds |
| 15:06.56 | skooter | CyberGrabber ... thats a pretty short article... currently i installede the driver using apt-get... but i'll try this |
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| 15:09.34 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:09.35 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:10.16 | skooter | CyberGrabber: looks linke babelfish.av.com translate ok... |
| 15:10.24 | asg | abrotman: we should change syslog's MARK to MOO instead |
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| 15:10.29 | skooter | * looks like |
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| 15:10.55 | hark | !abrotmoo |
| 15:10.55 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
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| 15:11.20 | hark | heh, remember that |
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| 15:12.43 | Thms | !hamoo |
| 15:12.48 | Malf | !moo |
| 15:12.48 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 15:13.02 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.02 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.02 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.02 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.02 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.14 | Thms | k exec -o |
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| 15:13.26 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 15:13.38 | asg | abrotman: should be a simple patch ;) |
| 15:13.47 | CyberGabber | skooter: Goto http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and in the 'translate a web page' paste this link http://www.blicbox.be/node/168, then choose : dutch to english |
| 15:14.26 | abrotman | asg: i doubt it would get accepted |
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| 15:14.34 | skooter | CyberGabber: yir ... did that ... thx dude ;-) |
| 15:14.54 | asg | abrotman: I'll have to maintain my own deb then |
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| 15:15.23 | abrotman | asg: just submit a wishlist bug :) |
| 15:15.28 | skooter | CyberGabber: how did u uninstall you current drivers at that time? |
| 15:15.58 | asg | abrotman: just to have it closed wontfix-don't-be-fucking-stupid? |
| 15:16.14 | abrotman | asg: does tarzeau maintain that package ? |
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| 15:16.25 | asg | abrotman: dunno, thought he only maintained games |
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| 15:16.43 | abrotman | asg: and GNUStep .. don't forget that! |
| 15:16.54 | asg | abrotman: joey schultz |
| 15:17.07 | abrotman | asg: for what ? |
| 15:17.12 | asg | abrotman: sysklogd |
| 15:17.37 | abrotman | oh .. tell him that you were paid to submit the patch ... |
| 15:17.53 | asg | abrotman: by the Vista Marketing Team? |
| 15:17.54 | CyberGabber | skooter: I don't know for sure. Please backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf before doing anything else ! |
| 15:18.10 | abrotman | asg: no .. but the DPL :) |
| 15:18.13 | abrotman | erm ..by |
| 15:18.19 | skooter | CyberGabber: ok :-) |
| 15:18.27 | asg | abrotman: Dunc-Tank made me do it |
| 15:18.31 | abrotman | right! |
| 15:18.35 | CyberGabber | skooter: then follow the procedure from that site/link. |
| 15:19.10 | skooter | CyberGabber: yep |
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| 15:19.36 | abrotman | asg: but we should take this to #-ot-private .. |
| 15:19.41 | CyberGabber | skooter: After installing, reboot. When systeem won't boot graphical, you can goto console, en restore xorg.conf |
| 15:19.54 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 15:20.16 | abrotman | asg: you're an instigator! |
| 15:20.19 | skooter | CyberGabber: yes |
| 15:20.24 | asg | abrotman: I've earned the right |
| 15:20.42 | abrotman | figures it'd be the southerner :) |
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| 15:21.56 | zavie | oups |
| 15:21.58 | abrotman | no thanks |
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| 15:35.29 | limpio | hi all, what do i have to install to read a md5sum from a recently burned cd? |
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| 15:36.16 | abrotman | !find bin/md5sum sarge |
| 15:36.33 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/md5sum' (3): (/usr/bin/md5sum) in admin/dpkg ;; (/usr/bin/md5sum.textutils) in utils/coreutils ;; (/usr/lib/maxdb/devtools/bin/md5sum) in devel/maxdb-buildtools. |
| 15:36.47 | abrotman | md5sum is in the dpkg packag e? |
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| 15:38.03 | limpio | solemnwarning, i just type 'md5sum'? |
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| 15:38.15 | limpio | sorry, solemnwarning |
| 15:38.34 | abrotman | limpio: yes |
| 15:38.41 | valdyn | limpio: i'd compare the size of the iso file and the cd content first |
| 15:38.59 | abrotman | running md5sum on CDs/ISOs takes a while |
| 15:38.59 | valdyn | limpio: otherwise md5sum might be wrong but the cd still right... |
| 15:39.08 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here running vmware? |
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| 15:39.18 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: #vmware ? |
| 15:39.31 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: heh, thanks. |
| 15:39.35 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: how have you been? |
| 15:39.35 | limpio | valdyn, i copied the md5sum so i can compare, is that what you mean? |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: you moved eh ? |
| 15:39.45 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: eh... |
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| 15:39.52 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: weren't you outside philly ? |
| 15:39.54 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: still miss philly |
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| 15:39.57 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: heh yah |
| 15:39.57 | abrotman | ah ok :) |
| 15:39.58 | valdyn | limpio: no, compare the file.iso size and the stuff on cd size |
| 15:40.08 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: anything new in your world? |
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| 15:40.13 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: not a darn thing :) |
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| 15:40.37 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: been very busy with this DST shit....can't wait until March, and see what happens. |
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| 15:41.00 | abrotman | DST makes you busy ? |
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| 15:41.22 | valdyn | !padding |
| 15:41.25 | valdyn | !pad |
| 15:41.27 | valdyn | mm |
| 15:41.28 | abrotman | !p |
| 15:41.28 | dpkg | i heard p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton |
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| 15:41.50 | abrotman | valdyn: looking for something ? |
| 15:41.51 | Led_Zeppelin | DST: day light saving time patching. New regulations....so all of my systems have to get patched. |
| 15:42.08 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: you work on airline systems ? |
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| 15:42.20 | limpio | valdyn,abrotman, thanks a lot |
| 15:42.21 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: investment banking. |
| 15:42.25 | valdyn | abrotman: yea, a definition of padding that burning programs do |
| 15:42.32 | abrotman | valdyn: oh ... |
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| 15:42.58 | valdyn | abrotman: which may lead to md5sum being 'wrong' on a cd that is 'right' |
| 15:43.17 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: oh .. that's what my company works in .. but not the transaction part of it (not really) |
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| 15:44.05 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: you guys feeling the pain too, then? |
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| 15:44.13 | badbugs | hello |
| 15:44.17 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: nope .. we don't have to take care of that part :) |
| 15:44.27 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: we have so much shit to do regarding this...have to even update java too, since its keeps its own TZs |
| 15:44.40 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: sounds icky indeed |
| 15:44.42 | Led_Zeppelin | losing sleep man :( |
| 15:45.04 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: is it all for one company .. or via consulting ? |
| 15:45.12 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: company. |
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| 15:45.36 | abrotman | darn DST changes :) |
| 15:45.37 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: actually, lots of companies are doing it now too...we were just ahead of the curve |
| 15:45.49 | Led_Zeppelin | its like the hidden y2k. |
| 15:46.05 | abrotman | except it wasn't hidden .. and was intentionally done by the lawmakers |
| 15:46.30 | Led_Zeppelin | yep, I see their point too. It does save energy (lots of it), meaning it saves money. |
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| 15:46.43 | abrotman | i'm skeptical :) |
| 15:46.52 | Led_Zeppelin | I am all for saving trees and env all...but me losing sleep isn't worth it! |
| 15:46.53 | Led_Zeppelin | hehe |
| 15:47.32 | Led_Zeppelin | like to stepback and see how the debian people are doing. Been a while since I logged into Linux per say. |
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| 15:47.53 | abrotman | we don't have DST problems! |
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| 15:48.06 | Led_Zeppelin | i think it was already addresses. probally; |
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| 15:48.15 | Led_Zeppelin | *addressed |
| 15:48.19 | abrotman | yes AFAIK |
| 15:48.34 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: are you a DBA? or something or developer? |
| 15:48.51 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: sysadmin and part time developer |
| 15:48.59 | Led_Zeppelin | cool. |
| 15:49.01 | abrotman | or i guess network admin ... |
| 15:49.04 | skooter | CyberGabber: still there? now when i start up i get this... dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7) (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No devices detected. |
| 15:49.17 | Led_Zeppelin | i do mostly storage + SA. |
| 15:49.30 | Led_Zeppelin | and PrjMgt too :-( ... |
| 15:49.34 | nicomen_ | so, what do I do to fix hanging poll() and select() calls? say ping for instance, returns only one or two packets then stops. with strace it hangs at poll( |
| 15:49.35 | abrotman | hahah |
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| 15:49.39 | novata_peleona | hi... |
| 15:49.42 | abrotman | !pal Led_Zeppelin the manager |
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| 15:49.57 | Led_Zeppelin | ha! |
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| 15:50.08 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: guessing mostly run debian at work too? |
| 15:50.12 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: i'm going to french creek for some light hiking today! |
| 15:50.21 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: yeah .. but the development is windows-based stuff |
| 15:50.23 | Led_Zeppelin | french creek, where is that? |
| 15:50.34 | abrotman | eh.. chester county |
| 15:50.39 | Led_Zeppelin | aaa |
| 15:50.46 | abrotman | or actually .. border of chester/berks |
| 15:50.48 | Led_Zeppelin | i pass by there, everytime I drive to phil. |
| 15:50.50 | Led_Zeppelin | err no |
| 15:50.55 | Led_Zeppelin | chester county is huge! |
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| 15:51.25 | novata_peleona | what do i need to have voip on kopete¿¿? |
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| 15:51.34 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=birdsboro,+pa&ie=UTF8&z=10&ll=40.221879,-75.787811&spn=0.420475,1.366425&om=1 |
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| 15:52.07 | Ronin | heh sucks to be you abrotman |
| 15:52.13 | Ronin | im getting ready to brew :) |
| 15:52.47 | Paul-Way | Hi, I have problem.. I've installed apache, and now, when i wanna use phpmyadmin, it doesn't work.. but classic <?php echo "..."; ?> works. |
| 15:53.03 | Led_Zeppelin | abrotman: yep, know where that is...you can even stop at Lancaster for shopping ;-) |
| 15:53.40 | skooter | CyberGabber: and libGLcore is actualy there :-S |
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| 15:53.51 | abrotman | Led_Zeppelin: eh .. no |
| 15:53.58 | abrotman | Ronin: it's not -10 here :) |
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| 15:55.46 | Ronin | not here either abrotman make it -27c with the wind |
| 15:56.05 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:56.34 | limpio | OK, ok, i wrote: md5sum /dev/cdrom and it's hanging, as if reading, will it give the figure at the end? |
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| 15:56.48 | Thms | yes limpio |
| 15:57.22 | limpio | Thms, thx pal. Does it take quite a while? |
| 15:57.39 | Thms | limpio: normally no |
| 15:57.53 | Paul-Way | Hi, I have problem.. I've installed apache, and now, when i wanna use phpmyadmin, it doesn't work.. but classic <?php echo "..."; ?> works. |
| 15:57.58 | limpio | Thms, ok |
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| 16:00.02 | limpio | Thms, it gave me this: md5sum: /dev/cdrom: Input/output error |
| 16:00.53 | limpio | Thms, does it mean i wrote the command wrong or re-burn the cd? |
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| 16:03.38 | novata_peleona | how can i do to have kopete with voice? |
| 16:03.50 | novata_peleona | anyone have got it? |
| 16:04.09 | Atomy | hi i am new into linux and i need to reconfigure exim4 but i dont know how somewhere i read "apt-get reconfigure exim4" but theres no reconfigure in exim |
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| 16:04.48 | PerfDave | Atomy: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 16:04.49 | hark | Atomy: exim4-config, iirc |
| 16:05.01 | Atomy | thxs |
| 16:05.03 | CyberGabber | skooter: sorry i can't help any further. This article worked for me. I don't know much about graph.cards installations etc. Please asked your question again on this channel. |
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| 16:05.26 | crazy_penguin | good afternoon to everybody |
| 16:05.39 | hark | limpio: that error is pretty clear.. |
| 16:05.42 | skooter | CyberGabber: ok thanks anyway |
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| 16:06.00 | Plouj | hi |
| 16:07.03 | Plouj | does anyone know of a HOWTO for setting up netboot on a debian system for installation of operating systems? I have a Debian server, and I would to be installing other GNU/Linux variants on systems without removable media drives. |
| 16:07.03 | skooter | I get this error when i start X ... (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 16:07.04 | skooter | (EE) No devices detected. .. Someone knows that problem? |
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| 16:07.33 | hark | skooter: how did you install the driver? |
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| 16:08.16 | skooter | hark: i followed this articale ... http://www.blicbox.be/node/168 ... the orignial ati-driver.. |
| 16:08.22 | Atomy | what configuration type do i need for exim4? i only want it to send mails from php |
| 16:08.36 | hark | !ati |
| 16:08.36 | dpkg | want to use a newer ATI videocard in sarge? for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz Try to avoid using ati's stuff directy unless you have to. |
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| 16:08.44 | irule | hi, what is the difference between nfs-user-server and nfs-kernel-server? |
| 16:09.07 | x-- | internet? |
| 16:09.20 | Bac9 | irule: one is part of the kernel and the other is in userspace |
| 16:09.23 | Gathond | irule: as the name implies the one is a nfs server that runs in the kernel the other in userspace |
| 16:10.03 | irule | Bac9 but if I install one, apt-get asks me to remove the other and viceversa |
| 16:10.05 | Gathond | irule: iirc the userspace one is slightly slower, but then again a NFS server could be said not to belong in a kernel |
| 16:10.09 | skooter | dpkg: i tried that ... didnt work :-S |
| 16:10.24 | Gathond | irule: you can only use one at a time so yes, dpkg enforces only having one installed |
| 16:10.31 | Bac9 | irule: because it's one or the other, they do identical task (differently) |
| 16:11.12 | irule | do I need to restart the server when installing kernel one? |
| 16:11.24 | Bac9 | Gathond: and now with FUSE soon you'd be able to say that about every FS (-: |
| 16:11.46 | Bac9 | irule: "restart when installing"??? |
| 16:11.57 | irule | I configured it and got a time out, I have another linux with opensuse, applied the same configuration there and debian mounted inmediatelly |
| 16:11.58 | Gathond | Bac9: well Fuse at least has most of it in userspace right? |
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| 16:12.44 | Bac9 | Gathond: yes, and it's implementing more and more FSs in userspace, soon there'll not be any FSs in kernel space that don't have a userspace implementation |
| 16:12.51 | skeel | do you guys know of a channel about load balancing setups? I have some questions regarding reverse proxies.. |
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| 16:13.09 | Gathond | Bac9: I would consider that a good thing |
| 16:13.42 | Bac9 | Gathond: But would Linux, considering it would be admitting partial defeat to his professor (-: |
| 16:13.51 | Bac9 | Gathond: But would Linus, considering it would be admitting partial defeat to his professor (-: |
| 16:14.04 | Gathond | Bac9: Ideally I would prefer a micro kernel like architecture, as the idea appeals to me (security wise as well as potentially restart/update core items while the system runs) |
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| 16:14.23 | Gathond | Bac9: I'm not sure tannenbaum has ever been linus professer has he? |
| 16:14.27 | Bac9 | Gathond: have you heard about HURD? (-: |
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| 16:14.44 | Gathond | Bac9: yes, but hurd is HARDLY what I would define as production ready:) |
| 16:14.53 | Bac9 | Gathond: ok, maybe not, but they definitly had an argument over micro/macro and practicallity iirc |
| 16:15.06 | Gathond | unless they solved the 2GB partition limit and so forth in the hurd/mach version |
| 16:15.16 | mikearthur | how would I do a diff, but only show the new lines? |
| 16:15.20 | PerfDave | Gathond: Feel free to submit a patch ;) |
| 16:15.23 | Bac9 | Gathond: HURD and Linux seem to be slowly aproaching the same point from different directions |
| 16:15.28 | PerfDave | mikearthur: diff | grep ^> |
| 16:15.35 | mikearthur | n1, cheers |
| 16:15.37 | Gathond | the hurd/L4 is far far from ready (last I read about it they had just run the very first executable) |
| 16:15.39 | Bac9 | Gathond: HURD being developed and Linux moving stuff into userspace |
| 16:16.07 | Gathond | PerfDave: for now I just use linux, but I might get to it some day |
| 16:16.23 | Bac9 | Gathond: and they were really proud of that first executable (-: |
| 16:16.37 | Gathond | Bac9: I would be as well:) its an important milestone |
| 16:17.03 | Gathond | it just also indicates alot of work and milestones before it being ready to replace linux as a kernel on my laptop:) |
| 16:17.08 | Bac9 | Gathond: but nowhere close to the end... ROS migh get a fully functional OS before HURD does |
| 16:17.27 | PerfDave | HURD keeps getting more usable, then they hit another snag and go back to scratch :) |
| 16:17.32 | skeel | do you guys know of a channel about load balancing setups? I have some questions regarding reverse proxies... using for instance PLB (Pure Load Balancer) or POUND, does it share the workload amongst different connections, so that if I type in an external IP, and then another external IP, does it redirect incoming requests to those machines and let those machines answer the user themselfs, or does it require an answer, and "tunnel" the data back to t |
| 16:17.50 | PerfDave | A friend of mine was running GNU/HURD with X etc. a while back, but now you can't do that ;) |
| 16:18.14 | Bac9 | PerfDave: two steps forward three steps back |
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| 16:18.28 | Gathond | personally I think the L4 version is more promissing than the mach one, but that is just my impression I have not spend any time really looking at the designs |
| 16:18.33 | Bac9 | PerfDave: it's the "development dance" (-: |
| 16:19.11 | Bac9 | Gathond: I recall they were doing a talk on memmory management architecture in HURD way back quite a few years ago |
| 16:19.38 | skooter | Grr.. thats it ... i install the NV-card instead... |
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| 16:25.11 | h4mm3r` | hello everyone, do u guys know which mirror i can use to net-inst etch? |
| 16:25.54 | streuner | you just need to wait, its slow these days... |
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| 16:27.20 | h4mm3r` | mh |
| 16:27.42 | h4mm3r` | my problem is that it says that there are some problems with release files |
| 16:27.54 | Bac9 | h4mm3r`: so pick another mirror |
| 16:28.02 | h4mm3r` | i'm gonna try |
| 16:28.13 | h4mm3r` | i've already tried at least 20 different mirrors |
| 16:28.18 | Bac9 | h4mm3r`: mirrors are supposed to have same files, so picking any should work |
| 16:28.45 | Bac9 | h4mm3r`: what problem are you having? would it be the signature? |
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| 16:28.59 | wad | Hello, #debian, for the first time! |
| 16:29.32 | wad | I am about to embark on a transition from SUSE to debian. |
| 16:29.44 | Malf | thrilling |
| 16:29.52 | wad | Yeah, it is, actually! |
| 16:30.11 | wad | I've got a server running SUSE 10.0. Hosts a bunch of web sites, etc. |
| 16:30.16 | wad | I'm going to convert it. |
| 16:30.35 | h4mm3r` | after having selected the mirror, it starts searching something and finally it returns the error where it says: 'selected mirror is not available or it hasn't a valid release file' |
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| 16:31.05 | wad | My plan: Take another box (currently running SUSE 10.0), install the latest stable debian on it, then put that filesystem over on the second hard drive of my server, then swap the boot order and reboot. |
| 16:31.23 | wad | After, of course, having moved my apps and data over to the new OS. |
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| 16:31.34 | wad | How does this plan sound? Viable? |
| 16:32.23 | embrik | I'd really want to install a new wine version. What should the adresse in sources.list be to get wine from wine HQ? |
| 16:32.41 | Bac9 | h4mm3r`: check your defined paths, I'd be betting on your config being wrong then then mirrors being broken after 20 mirrors |
| 16:32.46 | Malf | more or less. It depends to some extent what exactly you plan on moving over but, aside from having weird platform dependent stuff configured for suse it should be fine I'd think |
| 16:33.04 | embrik | I'm running sarge |
| 16:33.10 | h4mm3r` | what does it mean? |
| 16:33.20 | h4mm3r` | i can't modify mirror, i just can choose between them |
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| 16:34.05 | Malf | embrik: I used #deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/ at one point |
| 16:34.26 | embrik | Malf: then I'll try that.. |
| 16:34.26 | Malf | embrik: I subsequently stopped using wine so I don't know that it still works |
| 16:36.30 | embrik | Malf: didn't work.. |
| 16:37.01 | Bac9 | h4mm3r`: is your source.list file correct |
| 16:37.24 | h4mm3r` | ah boh, i'm in the setup section |
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| 16:37.30 | Malf | embrik: Yeah I'm not sure what to tell you exactly. I have another wine related line commented out though it seems |
| 16:37.37 | Malf | embrik: although it looks to be for dapper |
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| 16:38.04 | Malf | embrik: #deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main and not really from winehq |
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| 16:38.17 | AM|R | hi i just add new hard disk.. how to format/mount it on debian? |
| 16:38.19 | Malf | embrik: so I'd focus on searching through wine's site |
| 16:38.23 | sxpert | hello people, anyone had "hde: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request." (jmicron controller on asus P5B, drive is plextor 760A) |
| 16:38.41 | embrik | Malf: installed on dapper two minutes ago. That worked nice. But I'm trying on a sarge dist, and it doesn's seem to be as smothe.. |
| 16:38.42 | sorl | is there a simple way to restore default file permission on "system" files? |
| 16:38.49 | sxpert | I'm being literally spammed by that message |
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| 16:39.01 | valdyn | sorl: which system files |
| 16:39.32 | embrik | anyone who can help me installing wine on sarge? |
| 16:39.34 | sorl | valdyn, well id like it to set permissions the same as when default installed (all packages) |
| 16:39.53 | sorl | valdyn, some perms got messed up when restoring a backup |
| 16:40.03 | valdyn | sorl: reinstall |
| 16:40.11 | embrik | My children wants to play games they got for christmas :-) |
| 16:40.15 | AM|R | hi i just add new hard disk.. how to format/mount it on debian? |
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| 16:40.18 | sorl | valdyn, not really an option :) |
| 16:40.51 | maddash | quick!! I need a good reason to have a debian distro greater than 800mb large!! |
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| 16:40.54 | AM|R | erm |
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| 16:41.29 | sxpert | maddash, "I need to install everything" |
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| 16:41.56 | valdyn | !install everything |
| 16:42.00 | maddash | sxpert: ok, sounds reasonable. video drivers? |
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| 16:42.16 | sxpert | that's rather small* |
| 16:42.21 | maddash | I need a brilliant excuse to return an 800 mb solid-state drive |
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| 16:42.35 | sxpert | more like "all sorts of video and audio plugins" |
| 16:42.45 | Atomy | is postfix better than exim? |
| 16:42.52 | Bac9 | maddash: you're going to exchange it for an 8000mb drive? (-: |
| 16:43.01 | valdyn | maddash: find something else, your vendor likely wont even know debian, probably |
| 16:43.20 | sxpert | maddash, say you need to install xp embedded :D |
| 16:43.32 | maddash | sxpert: BRILLIANT!!! thanks so much! |
| 16:43.39 | Bac9 | maddash: or maybe that the drive wen past the 1 million writes per sector (assuming it's flash) |
| 16:44.02 | valdyn | Bac9: tell the vendor that you broken it? that would help? heh |
| 16:44.04 | Malf | embrik: I suppose you could set up apt to build that package from source, as pleasant as I'm sure that would be |
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| 16:44.20 | Bac9 | valdyn: I wasn't sure why he was returning it |
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| 16:45.20 | wad | Malf: Thanks for the vote of confidence. |
| 16:45.44 | wad | Malf: Er, that sounded sarcastic, for some reason. No sarcasm intended. |
| 16:45.54 | Malf | wad: hah. Not a problem. |
| 16:46.04 | wad | :) |
| 16:46.11 | Malf | wad: Basically I'd just say make sure you keep a backup handy until you have everything running smoothly |
| 16:46.31 | sxpert | so, any idea "hde: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01). Trying to recover by ending request." |
| 16:46.36 | wad | Malf: That's the beauty: The other hard drive has a fully functional SUSE on it. |
| 16:46.38 | Malf | wad: In case there are weird path issues to resolve between the two distros in the websites/etc that you're hosting |
| 16:46.52 | Malf | wad: ahh so yeah I guess you'd just mount and |
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| 16:47.02 | Malf | wad: Yeah |
| 16:47.06 | bkw | Anybody who have installed swiggle successfully on debian? I get this error http://pastebin.perl.se/0d6c4b787e/ |
| 16:47.49 | valdyn | bkw: install the packages that contain those missing files |
| 16:48.18 | bkw | valdyn: how can I search for a package that contain those files? |
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| 16:48.23 | valdyn | !search |
| 16:48.24 | dpkg | [search] try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 16:48.25 | bkw | I've installed libjpeg already |
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| 16:49.12 | valdyn | !find libexif/exif-data.h |
| 16:49.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libexif/exif-data.h' (1): (/usr/include/libexif/exif-data.h) in libdevel/libexif-dev. |
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| 16:49.45 | valdyn | !find jpeglib.h |
| 16:49.52 | wad | Is there an easy way to take an existing SUSE box, and turn it into debian, without having to burn CDs? There is no data on it, just OS, so nothing needs to be preserved. |
| 16:49.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'jpeglib.h' (4): (/usr/include/jpeglib.h) in libdevel/libjpeg62-dev ;; (/usr/include/lsb3/jpeglib.h) in devel/lsb-build-desktop3 ;; (/usr/include/leptonica/jpeglib.h) in libdevel/libleptonica-dev ;; (/usr/src/ecos/packages/services/gfx/mw/v2_0/src/jpeg-6b/jpeglib.h) in devel/ecos. |
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| 16:50.19 | PerfDave | wad: You might be able to use debootstrap, try reading the Debian Installation Manual. |
| 16:50.27 | wad | Allright, thanks. I'll check into it. |
| 16:51.39 | bkw | valdyn: bkw@venus:~/tmp/swiggle-0.4$ dpkg -S /usr/local/include/libexif/exif-data.h |
| 16:51.39 | bkw | dpkg: /usr/local/include/libexif/exif-data.h not found. |
| 16:51.55 | bkw | valdyn: how do I do the search on my host? |
| 16:52.16 | PerfDave | bkw: apt-file |
| 16:53.09 | valdyn | bkw: read what dpkg said |
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| 16:54.17 | valdyn | bkw: dpkg -S on a file in /usr/local is nonsense, debian stores nothing in /usr/local/, secondly, dpkg -S is for already installed files, pointless as you are looking for missing packages |
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| 16:55.37 | Jemt | Greetz. Where is 'libapache2-mod-auth-mysql' located? It is no longer in Repositories :-/ |
| 16:56.04 | PerfDave | Which repositories? Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 16:56.48 | Jemt | PerfDave: I've installed the most recent stable, performed a dist-upgrade to testing, and using testing repository |
| 16:57.14 | bkw | apt-file search exif-data.h did well. I first forgot to do apt-file update. |
| 16:57.21 | bkw | valdyn: thanks. |
| 16:57.27 | PerfDave | Jemt: Yes, it's not in testing, because of a package bug which looks unlikely to be fixed since nobody's maintaining libapache2-mod-auth-mysql currently. |
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| 16:57.34 | PerfDave | Jemt: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/libapache2-mod-auth-mysql |
| 16:57.35 | war | Question-- is it possible to query the parallel printer to see whether it is out of paper, low toner, etc? I used to use my HP Jet Direct card in my HP 2200DTN, but since it died, I am using lprng+samba to use the printer; however, I do not get the alerts/etc I used to, like out of paper, etc, is there anyway to query that information via lprng? |
| 16:57.48 | PerfDave | Jemt: Sorry, http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-auth-mysql.html |
| 16:57.53 | Jemt | PerfDave: Oh! That's why! Makes sense. Thanks a lot, checking the link |
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| 17:00.04 | Jemt | PerfDave: Is it available in a stable version somewhere that will work with MySQL 5 ? |
| 17:00.54 | PerfDave | Jemt: No idea. You could check http://packages.debian.org/ - I think there's an extant version in the unstable repositories which you might be able to backport. |
| 17:01.24 | Jemt | PerfDave: Okay, sounds good. I'll give it a go :) |
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| 17:06.34 | Bogus8 | I'm I doing something wrong with unrar-free or is this not the program I'm wanting? |
| 17:06.39 | Bogus8 | to extract a rar file |
| 17:06.48 | Bogus8 | it says extracting then says failed for each line |
| 17:06.55 | bkw | unrar e file.rar not working? |
| 17:07.06 | Bogus8 | bkw: don't have "unrar" |
| 17:07.14 | Bogus8 | and apt could only find "unrar-free" |
| 17:07.27 | Bac9 | Bogus8: have you tried 'rar x'? |
| 17:07.39 | Bogus8 | rar wasn't found either |
| 17:07.40 | Bac9 | Bogus8: or was it 'rar e' |
| 17:07.52 | Xenguy | unrar e ? |
| 17:07.52 | Bac9 | Bogus8: rar is in non-free iirc |
| 17:08.00 | Bac9 | Xenguy: rar e |
| 17:08.10 | Bac9 | Xenguy: or what ever the option is to rar to extract |
| 17:08.11 | PerfDave | Bogus8: Depends on what the RAR file is. If it's a recent one, chances are that it's produced using a patent-encumbered algorithm, and you'll need to either give in to non-Free software, or ask the provider of the RAR to use a more open format such as ZIP or tar. |
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| 17:08.32 | Bogus8 | hmmm |
| 17:08.59 | Xenguy | Bac9: unrar e <- works, but this version of unrar is non-free I see |
| 17:09.19 | Bac9 | Xenguy: all rar is non-free... iirc |
| 17:09.19 | RobHu | I have broken something in my ruby configuration, but apt-get remove ruby1.8 && apt-get install ruby1.8 does not overwrite the configuration files (or replace them if they are deleted). Do I need to use some other apt-get option? |
| 17:09.21 | Bogus8 | I don't have any rar or unrar files in my paths |
| 17:09.41 | Bogus8 | any clue what packages might give me those files? |
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| 17:10.02 | hark | Bogus8: don't install rar (it's shareware). Get unrar from non-free instead |
| 17:10.04 | Bogus8 | I had them on my old fedora box but not here and i searched apt's cache and found nothing that looked like itw ould be it |
| 17:10.05 | Xenguy | !info unrar |
| 17:10.07 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 93 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 17:10.28 | Bogus8 | hark: hmm, let me check my apt sources |
| 17:11.18 | Bogus8 | Ah, I didn't have non-free in my sources on this box, DOH! |
| 17:11.54 | Xenguy | Bogus8: unrar has always worked for me when I needed it FWIW |
| 17:12.35 | Bogus8 | Xenguy: yeah, me too... I just needed to get it from non-free... I thought I had selected that when I did my apt.sources but I guess I hadn't |
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| 17:12.37 | hark | unrar-free cannot handle RAR 3.0 files |
| 17:12.56 | Paul-Way | Where I can get "mysql headers"? |
| 17:13.07 | Bogus8 | hark: Yeah, I think that is what my problem is... I'm trashing unrar-free and getting the regular unrar from non-free |
| 17:13.08 | Xenguy | hark: guess I haven't had to contend with those yet, luckily |
| 17:13.17 | RobHu | Is there a switch or something for apt-get to reinstall things? I've been trying this for an hour and a half now, and no luck. |
| 17:13.33 | Malf | apt-get remove --purge the package |
| 17:13.39 | Malf | will remove the config files |
| 17:13.49 | Bogus8 | Malf: hmm, good to know |
| 17:13.50 | Xenguy | RobHu: man apt-get (see the --reinstall option :-) |
| 17:13.54 | hark | RobHu: did you try man apt-get? |
| 17:13.55 | streuner | RobHu: apt-get install --reinstall foo package |
| 17:14.08 | war | What do you think is faster? USB (1.1) or LPT/Parallel Port/ECP+EPP for a printing? |
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| 17:14.15 | war | and POLL: What do you use, CUPS or LPRNG? |
| 17:14.23 | streuner | war: USB |
| 17:14.36 | streuner | Parallel is slow :-) |
| 17:15.01 | war | kk |
| 17:15.19 | RobHu | Xenguy / hark / streuner: Yes, yes, and yes. Didn't help. |
| 17:15.19 | sxpert | is there a way to use the new libata drivers instead of the old stack ? |
| 17:15.31 | Malf | RobHu: remove it with the purge flag |
| 17:15.32 | streuner | !didn't help |
| 17:15.44 | streuner | !doesn't help |
| 17:15.44 | x_link | When I install some games or whatever with apt-get and then when I want to remove them it doesn't remove the whole file. |
| 17:15.53 | Malf | RobHu: or through dpkg instead if you've already dropped the package |
| 17:16.04 | x_link | I just downloaded a game on 80.13MB, but when I just removed it then just ~21MB was removed. |
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| 17:16.08 | x_link | Why is that? |
| 17:16.17 | streuner | apt, doesn't help |
| 17:16.23 | Malf | RobHu: Then when you install it again it shoud rebuild those configs |
| 17:16.42 | streuner | its 'doesn't work' NOT doesn't help... |
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| 17:16.47 | ding1 | help |
| 17:16.50 | RobHu | Malf: It didn't :( |
| 17:16.55 | streuner | ding1: just ask |
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| 17:16.56 | ding1 | I wanna add kde menu into gnome |
| 17:16.58 | h3sp4wn | sxpert: easiest way is to just build a kernel with the libata drivers in statically |
| 17:17.05 | RobHu | I did apt-get remove --purge ruby1.8 ruby1.8-dev and then apt-get install ruby... |
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| 17:17.07 | ding1 | download some deb files , but can not install. |
| 17:17.17 | ding1 | who knows how to add kde menus in gnome easily? |
| 17:17.19 | streuner | ding1: why not using apt-get? |
| 17:17.35 | RobHu | Malf: Any other ideas? |
| 17:17.38 | ding1 | apt-get not found that |
| 17:17.43 | sxpert | h3sp4wn, I tried... can't seem to figure it out ;( |
| 17:17.45 | ding1 | no sourcelist. |
| 17:17.57 | streuner | ding1: sarge/stable? |
| 17:18.04 | ding1 | no source in sourcelist have that deb file |
| 17:18.06 | ding1 | sarge |
| 17:18.11 | yipstar | hi, i'm on etch, and need to recompile my kernel. i'd like to make a backup to a floopy of my current kernel first. following a document online, i'm told to run mkboot path_to_kernel, however mkboot is not finding my lilo command, since i'm using grub. |
| 17:18.11 | hark | ding1: Debian menu not helpful? |
| 17:18.11 | sxpert | the kernel I build somehow hangs at the agpgart stage |
| 17:18.13 | ding1 | gnome2.8.3 |
| 17:18.13 | yipstar | any advice? |
| 17:18.14 | streuner | ding1: run apt-setup |
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| 17:19.26 | Malf | RobHu: My only thought is that perhaps you didn't purge/install the package that contains the config files you're looking for |
| 17:19.28 | ding1 | why run apt-setup |
| 17:19.33 | ding1 | I have apt-get command |
| 17:19.42 | ding1 | but it can not find that package. |
| 17:19.44 | Malf | RobHu: You can also use dpkg-reconfigure |
| 17:19.48 | streuner | ding1: to create '/etc/apt/sources.list'? |
| 17:19.57 | hark | !confmiss |
| 17:19.58 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 17:19.58 | ding1 | yes |
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| 17:20.03 | ding1 | I have source.list |
| 17:20.15 | streuner | ding1: what kind of package is that? |
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| 17:20.28 | ding1 | I wanna add kde menus into gnome's menu |
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| 17:20.30 | RobHu | Malf: Will that be any beter than doing it though apt? What options do I need to run it with? |
| 17:20.30 | streuner | ding1: or where did you download those debs? |
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| 17:20.45 | Malf | RobHu: I'd look at what hark just had dpkg say about confmiss |
| 17:20.49 | streuner | ding1: that's possible in GNOME itself, AFAIK |
| 17:20.51 | ding1 | I download it from a homepage. |
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| 17:20.59 | ding1 | how ? |
| 17:21.08 | RobHu | Malf: Thankyou |
| 17:21.13 | ding1 | the deb files depends on so many package |
| 17:21.20 | ding1 | so I give up to install the deb file. |
| 17:21.28 | ding1 | how to add kde menu into gnome's easily. |
| 17:21.29 | streuner | ding1: well done :-) |
| 17:21.47 | ding1 | AFAIK ? |
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| 17:21.49 | ding1 | what's it |
| 17:21.52 | streuner | !afaik |
| 17:21.52 | dpkg | hmm... afaik is as far as I know |
| 17:22.02 | RobHu | Malf: That didn't work either :S This is so frustrating. I should just reformat and reinstall debian. |
| 17:22.04 | PerfDave | yipstar: Why do you need to recompile your kernel? |
| 17:22.04 | ding1 | well, how to do it. |
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| 17:22.23 | ding1 | kde menu have more software useful. |
| 17:22.29 | ding1 | but gnome doesn't have it. |
| 17:22.30 | streuner | ding1: look in gnome-control-center or such |
| 17:22.45 | streuner | PerfDave: hi :-) |
| 17:23.05 | ding1 | well, |
| 17:23.17 | ding1 | gnome-control-center doesn't have kmenu. |
| 17:23.18 | hark | ding1: the Debian menu is not helpful? |
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| 17:24.15 | ding1 | well,debian menu is ok.but it is not sort as kde's |
| 17:24.30 | RobHu | hark: Is there any other way to force it to rebuild the config files? What you suggested didn't work. |
| 17:24.57 | ding1 | it's ok, use debian menu is ok, |
| 17:25.10 | ding1 | thanks |
| 17:25.16 | hark | RobHu: confnew/confmiss afaik |
| 17:25.31 | ding1 | i just run startkde in gnome |
| 17:25.42 | ding1 | and it's panel is up on gnome's panel. |
| 17:25.53 | ding1 | how can I run only kde's taskbar in gnome. |
| 17:26.16 | hark | ding1: you can add the KDE menus, as they are based on the freedesktop spec as well, but i don't think it'll be easy. |
| 17:26.25 | hark | ding1: kicker |
| 17:26.33 | ding1 | well, if not easy, I will give up. |
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| 17:26.41 | RobHu | hark: Nope that didn't work either. also now it doesnt creat the symbolic link in /usr/bin for ruby from ruby1.8 |
| 17:26.44 | RobHu | This is inane |
| 17:26.46 | RobHu | insane |
| 17:27.00 | RobHu | Why is it so hard to say rebuild a configuration file? |
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| 17:27.39 | maddash | sxpert: thanks for that "must install xp" excuse. worked like a charm. |
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| 17:27.44 | yipstar | Perfdave: i need to enable all the i2o modules so it can recognize my raid card |
| 17:28.19 | ding1 | anyone installed xgl?? |
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| 17:28.30 | ding1 | is it easy to install? |
| 17:28.40 | PerfDave | yipstar: Can't you just modprobe them? |
| 17:28.49 | ding1 | i have installed the 3ddesk, but it's not so good. |
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| 17:29.51 | sxpert | maddash, heh ;D |
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| 17:30.00 | hark | ding1: Xgl is not in the repositories, but if you're on etch/Sid there's AIGLX already with Xorg. |
| 17:30.13 | yipstar | PerfDave: apparently i can. thank you. i'm in a little over my head over here. i should have never purchased this promise raid card |
| 17:30.16 | ding1 | well, I use sarge. |
| 17:30.20 | ding1 | I am in sarge. |
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| 17:30.53 | PerfDave | yipstar: That's OK. Debian kernel-image / linux-image packages generally have just about every module you can think of pre-built, which is why I always ask people why they're trying to compile their own kernel ;) |
| 17:30.57 | sxpert | maddash, when you need something, always blame your closest enemy ;D |
| 17:31.11 | hark | sarge and Xgl.. |
| 17:31.13 | Paul-Way | Where I can get "mysql headers"? PLZ |
| 17:31.31 | yipstar | PerfDave: ah, makes sense, thank you for saving me time. |
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| 17:31.43 | yipstar | now i'm not sure what step to take next heh |
| 17:31.48 | ding1 | well, if XGL is in repos... is good. |
| 17:31.49 | PerfDave | Paul-Way: apt-cache search mysql header |
| 17:31.50 | Plouj | bah |
| 17:31.58 | streuner | PerfDave: is there a special reason, why you cannot say hi? ;-) |
| 17:32.01 | sorl | i am changing root partition in my system to hdc3 from hda3 should i change the root (0,0) directive in grub? |
| 17:32.06 | PerfDave | !hi |
| 17:32.06 | dpkg | hello, perfdave |
| 17:32.13 | Plouj | for some stupid reason my pxe boot server isn't responding to TFTP Read Requests |
| 17:32.13 | streuner | :-P |
| 17:32.19 | ding1 | how to add a program into system services? |
| 17:32.26 | ding1 | /etc/rc.d/init.d?? |
| 17:32.30 | PerfDave | sorl: Yes :) |
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| 17:32.36 | streuner | ding1: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 17:32.41 | giupy | hi all |
| 17:32.43 | ding1 | ok.thanks. |
| 17:32.45 | PerfDave | ding1: What are you trying to do? Get a program to start at bootup? What program is it? |
| 17:33.00 | giupy | what is the usb monitor support present in the compiling menu of the kernel ? |
| 17:33.10 | giupy | are there monitor usb ? |
| 17:33.19 | sorl | Perf, i see i have to change the root=/hda3 but the other one i dont know what it means because it refers to my boot partition on hda (hd0,0) |
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| 17:33.26 | ding1 | maybe some custom programs. |
| 17:33.32 | ding1 | I only wanna know how to do it. |
| 17:33.39 | ding1 | now , I dont have that programs. |
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| 17:34.04 | lvalue | hi, what package do i need to install for /sbin/ip ? |
| 17:34.05 | PerfDave | ding1: What sort of custom programs? |
| 17:34.21 | PerfDave | lvalue: apt-file or http://packages.debian.org/ will tell you. |
| 17:34.35 | lvalue | great, thanks |
| 17:34.39 | ding1 | maybe is some programs like weblogic etc. |
| 17:34.54 | sorl | PerfDave, does the root (hd0,0) refer to where the boot patition is? |
| 17:34.56 | PerfDave | ding1: Weblogic should come with its own initscript. |
| 17:35.05 | ding1 | well, may oracle maybe. |
| 17:35.12 | PerfDave | ding1: So should oracle |
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| 17:35.23 | ding1 | maybe tomcat |
| 17:35.28 | PerfDave | ding1: So should tomcat |
| 17:35.32 | ding1 | tomcat doesn't have in itself. |
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| 17:35.40 | PerfDave | No? |
| 17:35.49 | ding1 | no.tomcat doesn't have |
| 17:35.55 | PerfDave | sorl: Yes. hd0 == hda, and then the partitions are labelled starting from 0 onwards. |
| 17:36.18 | PerfDave | sorl: So you've currently got your /boot on /dev/hda1, and your / on /dev/hda3? |
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| 17:36.44 | PerfDave | ding1: Fair enough. Generally anything like that which should have its own initscript will come with one. |
| 17:36.47 | richee | is etch release? |
| 17:36.56 | PerfDave | richee: /topic |
| 17:37.16 | ding1 | well, but I may wanna know how to add one manually. |
| 17:37.28 | sorl | PerfDave, yes thats the idea |
| 17:37.34 | PerfDave | ding1: You should first learn when it makes sense to have one :) |
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| 17:37.39 | sxpert | ROTFL http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1671/915gm8.gif |
| 17:37.48 | PerfDave | sorl: And you want to change so you've got your /boot on /dev/hda1 and your / on /dev/hdc3? |
| 17:37.59 | sorl | PerfDave, right on |
| 17:38.09 | ding1 | well. debian is faster than fedora core. |
| 17:38.14 | PerfDave | sorl: In that case, you shouldn't need to change the (hd0,0) thing. |
| 17:38.20 | PerfDave | ding1: Faster how? |
| 17:38.27 | ding1 | faster than fc. |
| 17:38.31 | PerfDave | ding1: Faster how? |
| 17:38.44 | ding1 | faster than fedora core. |
| 17:38.51 | PerfDave | ding1: How are you measuring speed? |
| 17:39.00 | sorl | PerfDave, i see, so root (hd0,0) means boot part. should be hda1? condfusing that is says root... |
| 17:39.09 | ding1 | I installed eclipse on fc and debian. |
| 17:39.17 | ding1 | it's faster in debian. |
| 17:39.22 | PerfDave | ding1: How are you measuring speed? |
| 17:39.28 | ding1 | eclipse is faster in debian than fc. |
| 17:39.48 | ding1 | and kde is faster also. |
| 17:40.05 | sorl | fs installes alot more stuff by default |
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| 17:40.18 | PerfDave | sorl: No, (hd0,0) is grub-ese for "the first partition on the first disk", so it means the same as /dev/hda1 - but /dev/hda1 is a Linux kernel-ism, and Grub syntax is independent of your operating system. |
| 17:40.33 | yipstar | does anyone in here have any experience with raid controllers and i2o drivers? |
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| 17:40.34 | ding1 | hi, I download a kde theme, but in kde's control center , it can not recognize that theme format. |
| 17:40.36 | ding1 | why. |
| 17:41.20 | ding1 | one question, if make a server, debian vs centos, which one is better. |
| 17:41.38 | sorl | PerfDave, yes i see, but its just confusing that it says "root (hd0,0)" and not something like "boot (0,0)" |
| 17:41.55 | sorl | PerfDave, thanks for helping out anyway |
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| 17:42.12 | sid | ding1: Which ever one you're more comfortable with is better. |
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| 17:42.22 | giupy | how can i know exactly how much time spend a "make" command? is there some options to pass to it? |
| 17:42.37 | PerfDave | sorl: Not really. The root device, to grub, is where the bootloader will look for a kernel. That's independent of the device which the kernel you boot will mount as /. |
| 17:42.47 | ding1 | I installed freebsd in my pc, then installed debian, after that grub's menu only have debian, so I manually modify the menu.1st, after that , freebsd loaded for 1 minutes, then broke up. |
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| 17:43.35 | hark | giupy: man time |
| 17:43.36 | ding1 | well, thanks. I must off line now. |
| 17:43.43 | ding1 | bye,every one. |
| 17:43.54 | ding1 | robin_sz |
| 17:44.10 | ding1 | my pc running freebsd for about 1 minutes. then it said corrupt. |
| 17:44.16 | ding1 | I dont know what 's the problem. |
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| 17:44.31 | ding1 | before install debian, freebsd running well. |
| 17:44.31 | robin_sz | nothing ... its fine. |
| 17:44.36 | robin_sz | no, really. |
| 17:44.43 | ding1 | well. |
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| 17:44.51 | ding1 | and now freebsd can not boot well. |
| 17:44.54 | robin_sz | dont let me keep you. |
| 17:45.08 | ding1 | ok, bye. |
| 17:45.11 | ding1 | I must sleep now. |
| 17:45.14 | PerfDave | ding1: I'd ask #freebsd about that if I were you, they'll know what the error means. |
| 17:45.14 | ding1 | bye. |
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| 17:45.28 | ding1 | ok, perfdave. |
| 17:45.32 | ding1 | maybe next time. |
| 17:45.35 | ding1 | I must go now. |
| 17:45.36 | adrakoa | ding a grub problem? |
| 17:45.38 | mmlj4 | you installed debian on a freebsd box, and you don't see that that's the problem? |
| 17:45.39 | ding1 | bye everyone. |
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| 17:45.44 | robin_sz | bye |
| 17:45.45 | ding1 | no, not grub problem |
| 17:46.05 | ding1 | grub load freebsd well, freebsd startup problem a |
| 17:46.17 | Zarephath | I now know I need to pass kernel parameters when booting to the network install cd....How do I do this? This is install #4 for me...it worked fine,but after reboot it would be unable to use the nic to connect to the repos... |
| 17:46.22 | adrakoa | but debian cannon't write in ufs2 |
| 17:46.27 | adrakoa | by default |
| 17:46.49 | mmlj4 | Zarephath: what parameters? |
| 17:46.51 | robin_sz | and ... relax. |
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| 17:47.08 | Zarephath | mmlj4: noapic noacpi |
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| 17:47.20 | mmlj4 | oh wait, you're using grub, i can't help you, i don't understand grub at all |
| 17:47.36 | adrakoa | it was impossible |
| 17:47.45 | Zarephath | mmlj4: Uh no..the question was about passing them at boot to net install cd |
| 17:48.09 | mmlj4 | i use grub, but only because it lets me install a kernel and not worry about forgetting to run lilo afterwards |
| 17:48.53 | Zarephath | mmlj4: Grub is simple...however you slice the pie |
| 17:49.34 | mmlj4 | one man's trash, etc. |
| 17:50.15 | xingu | mmm, pie |
| 17:50.33 | mmlj4 | s/simple/powerful and complicated/ |
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| 17:53.17 | Zarephath | xingu: What is the preferred method to pass kernel params at boot cd startup? I am concerned if I choose to go expert then I am going to get stuck elsewhere in the install.. |
| 17:55.24 | Bogus8 | why would a NFS share that is mounted rw and the user/pass are the same on both machines not allow me to write ("Read-only file system") |
| 17:56.28 | Zarephath | Bogus8: Because the UID and or GID don't match between the username |
| 17:56.40 | janttsu | does someone know about rdiff-backup.. can i set it to remove incremented files when there is no more free space? i mean, not remove old files by date but accorfing to free disk space |
| 17:57.01 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: so the "number" in the passwd file would also have to be the same? |
| 17:57.11 | Bogus8 | it doesn't just look at the actual name? |
| 17:57.12 | lunaphyte | why does postfix insist that myhostname is foo.localdomain? |
| 17:57.26 | lunaphyte | where does it get the value from? |
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| 17:58.08 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: if so, then that seems like it would be difficult to manage... or am I just not mounting it correctly? Or do I need to set some ANY permissions in that directory on the host? |
| 17:58.16 | Zarephath | Bogus8: What I am saying is that linux can vary on the user id number that is generated when the user is created...for this reason it may not match up...it is usually 501 or 1000 depending on distro |
| 17:58.50 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: that is what I thought you were saying... doesn't that make peer to peer networking a pain in the ass? |
| 17:58.51 | Zarephath | Also be aware it *could* be a issue with group id numbers not being lined up...probably not though |
| 18:00.25 | Bogus8 | is there anyway around that? other than leaving the share wide open to all? |
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| 18:01.35 | Zarephath | Bogus8: Sure you have to determine if in fact they are different...then you can add umask=xxx to let that user have access... |
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| 18:02.42 | AI_coder | http://tshake.com/letter3.html <-- word fight, teacher student, very cool |
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| 18:02.50 | Zarephath | Bogus8: Please be aware I am by no means a linux guru...I just know because I had a problem one time with OS X HFS filesystem and linux not letting me access it... |
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| 18:03.44 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: ok, that makes sense... with umask then the number part of the ID doesn't matter but it still authenticates the user/pass.. |
| 18:03.47 | Bogus8 | is that correct? |
| 18:04.31 | Zarephath | In your case I am unsure since you are using authentication vs just file access... |
| 18:04.51 | Bogus8 | otherwise it would seem you need an LDAP server on even a small network |
| 18:05.42 | Zarephath | I do know in the case of samba if you haven't created a password using smbpasswd..you can't gain access to other network machines...maybe the authentication method being used for NFS requires something similar |
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| 18:06.50 | Bogus8 | yeah one machine is FC3 so it has UID 500 and the other is etchy and it's UID is 1000 |
| 18:07.02 | Bogus8 | I'll try that umask |
| 18:07.26 | Zarephath | Bogus8: :) |
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| 18:08.22 | mne | hi, I just patched my debian 2.6.18 stock kernel (x86) to use the acrypto layer. unfortunately I get a null pointer dereference when loading the module. Does anyone have experiences with acrypto ? What patches are applied to the debian kernel source, how is the debian kernel source different from a vanilla kernel source ? |
| 18:09.21 | Caitriona | mne: you should be able to download the changes file from packages.debian.org and see. |
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| 18:10.50 | mne | Caitriona, thanks |
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| 18:13.53 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: it wasn't umask for nfs... just so you know |
| 18:14.31 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: for NFS systems it has to be done on the host with the option all_squash... I think.. about to try it |
| 18:14.44 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: oh, and that has to be set in the exports file |
| 18:14.51 | Zarephath | Bogus8: Thanks for sharing...that is how I learn too... |
| 18:15.16 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: and thanks to you for making me think about the UID/GID numbers not matching |
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| 18:16.16 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: also apears that I set them ro in my exports file... seems odd that mount wouldn't check that.. let me try that first |
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| 18:17.47 | Bogus8 | Zarephath: Ah, now I'm getting permission denied... some I'm closer ;) |
| 18:17.50 | Bogus8 | so* |
| 18:19.01 | astronaute | any news on etch being stable ? |
| 18:19.43 | Bogus8 | astronaute: I find it pretty stable ;) |
| 18:19.55 | astronaute | it is official ? |
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| 18:19.56 | mne | I find unstable pretty stable :P |
| 18:21.07 | christopherl | hello all, in terminal, working with folders, how do I go back to the previous folder? If I cd, it goes all back |
| 18:21.08 | astronaute | ok so its still just frozen =) |
| 18:21.11 | astronaute | thanx |
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| 18:23.54 | valdyn | !folder |
| 18:23.54 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 18:24.07 | valdyn | christopherl: cd .. |
| 18:24.10 | dmesg | hi |
| 18:24.19 | dmesg | i want to talk whith the manager |
| 18:25.02 | dmesg | is it posible to change my host mask from netbsd/user to a debian/user? |
| 18:25.30 | christopherl | thankz |
| 18:25.48 | sid | dmesg: /join #freenode |
| 18:25.51 | sid | dmesg: /stats p |
| 18:25.57 | dmesg | ok |
| 18:26.16 | sid | dmesg: I imagine you need a debian.org gpg key also. /msg dpkg ops |
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| 18:26.28 | dmesg | ahh ok |
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| 18:31.29 | lunaphyte | when i updated postfix, i was prompted with a message at one point regarding myhostname and 'localdomain'. how can i see this message again? |
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| 18:34.28 | saint-takeshi | anyone know if there's a driver type thing to make 3d games work with a via/s3 onboard graphics chip |
| 18:34.34 | CharminTheMoose | I've made a serious of changes to various bits n pieces of a source program, what'd be the best way to document them? |
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| 18:35.36 | saint-takeshi | er...i think my board's a asrock k7vm2 which is a via km266 chipset, if that helps...whenever i try and run any 3d (openGL based) game |
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| 18:36.00 | saint-takeshi | the resolution changes, but it just drops back to gnome |
| 18:36.49 | valdyn | lunaphyte: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 18:36.57 | jonaskoelker | question: how do I get core dumps from segfaults? I have $(ulimit -c)=unlimited, /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern = core and /proc/sys/kernel/core_uses_pid=1 |
| 18:37.04 | sid | CharminTheMoose: The changelog? |
| 18:37.22 | jonaskoelker | I've found a wonderful page on teh intarweb which says "use truss". According to apt-{cache,file} search, there is no truss on debian |
| 18:37.25 | sid | CharminTheMoose: Send your changes upstream to the original maintainer. What package is it CharminTheMoose? |
| 18:37.43 | jonaskoelker | .. how do I get core files from SIGSEGV? |
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| 18:38.25 | CharminTheMoose | sid, a window manager called mosquito, not exactly 'Hacking' just making the Makefile a bit more functional |
| 18:38.57 | CharminTheMoose | adding a make install line and making it also install the config file by default to the current user's home directory |
| 18:39.45 | sid | CharminTheMoose: mail patches to erth7411 (at) csd (dot) uu (dot) se |
| 18:39.50 | creature | Hello. I'm using the Mplayer packages from debian-multimedia.org. I did an upgrade today, but now my mplayer gives me the following error: "mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". How can I fix this? |
| 18:39.51 | lunaphyte | i've been told that /etc/hostname should _only_ contain the non-fqdn hostname. is this true? |
| 18:40.30 | sid | CharminTheMoose: http://user.it.uu.se/~erth7411/mosquito/ (the e-mail at the bottom of that page) |
| 18:40.41 | asg | lunaphyte: yes, the fqdn is generally read from /etc/hosts |
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| 18:41.16 | lunaphyte | there appears to be some disconnect between what hostname, hostname --fqdn, and dnsdomainname return and other things, such as postfix's myhostname. |
| 18:42.08 | sid | CharminTheMoose: The project is on freshmeat, http://freshmeat.net/projects/mosquito/ ; maybe in your e-mail tell him to activate a cvs server with freshmeat this way you could each have accounts and be able to easily make changes to the software. |
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| 18:42.19 | asg | lunaphyte: read the FQDN section of hostname(1) |
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| 18:42.40 | lunaphyte | asg: i've been staring at for a while. |
| 18:42.49 | lunaphyte | asg: hostname returns 'under' - hostname --fqdn returns under.groundnoise.net and dnsdomainname returns groundnoise.net |
| 18:42.54 | CharminTheMoose | sid, i'm not a programmer in any shape or form.. |
| 18:43.03 | lunaphyte | it would appear that all is well. |
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| 18:43.05 | asg | lunaphyte: which is what the hostname(1) manpage says it should |
| 18:43.27 | saint-takeshi | i'm assuming openGL is kind of the equivalent of directx, i as much as it handles 3d graphics and sound effects? |
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| 18:43.37 | pipeline | saint-takeshi: Only graphics. |
| 18:43.42 | lunaphyte | asg: right - but posconf myhostname returns under.localdomain. |
| 18:43.53 | pipeline | saint-takeshi: directX also uses a totally different, err, philosophy. |
| 18:43.55 | valdyn | saint-takeshi: equivalent to direct3d |
| 18:44.06 | asg | lunaphyte: that's probably being set by postfix internally then; not sure offhand though, I don't use postfix |
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| 18:44.11 | skooter | Where do i see i X is using the nvidia driver...? |
| 18:44.14 | lunaphyte | asg: postfix's docs say "The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name from gethostname()" |
| 18:44.26 | valdyn | skooter: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:44.39 | jonaskoelker | *meekly* I have a question |
| 18:44.42 | lunaphyte | i can get postfix to return a correct value, but only by supplying under.groundnoise.net as the hostname. |
| 18:44.49 | asg | lunaphyte: yes, gethostname returns only the hostname. It's probably appending .localhost since it can't figure out the domain from that information only |
| 18:45.01 | skooter | ok thanks |
| 18:45.03 | lunaphyte | asg: hmm. |
| 18:45.03 | jae | CharminTheMoose: lots of high-profile contributors started as small as that ("Oh, at first I just hacked a bit on the Makefile...") |
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| 18:45.54 | jae | jonaskoelker: shoot (the meek may inherit the earth, but they're road-kill in #debian ;)) |
| 18:45.56 | asg | lunaphyte: gethostbyname(gethostname()) should return the fqdn, according to hostname(1). If postfix is only calling gethostname(), it will only get the host's name |
| 18:46.01 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 18:46.01 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 18:46.06 | jonaskoelker | jae: how do I get cores from sigsegv? |
| 18:46.28 | jae | there's a setting somewhere, lemme check |
| 18:46.34 | asg | jonaskoelker: help ulimit |
| 18:47.04 | jonaskoelker | asg, jae: I already have ulimit -c unlimited, and /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern equals `core' |
| 18:47.20 | CharminTheMoose | heh jae, but my point is that i'm 16 and I can't program for the life of me. I know a bit of bash and that's it... |
| 18:47.30 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
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| 18:47.52 | Plouj | hi |
| 18:47.52 | jae | jonaskoelker: /proc? Then you already know more than I did, sorry ;) |
| 18:48.14 | jonaskoelker | asg, jae: if I run cat and press C-\, I get a core. So _some_ things can dump core; maybe it's dependent on which signal gets emitted? |
| 18:48.31 | Plouj | this doc ( http://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install#Setup_a_mirror )tells me to use apt-mirror to create a ubuntu mirror, is there an apt-mirror equivalent in Debian for making ubuntu mirrors? |
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| 18:49.01 | jae | CharminTheMoose: just don't expect to be "Mr 1337 programmer I'm better than Linus".... at Ãleast right away ;) |
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| 18:49.21 | asg | jonaskoelker: I get a SIGQUIT here |
| 18:49.24 | jonaskoelker | Plouj: IIRC, the program which mirrors can mirror all four of {ubuntu,debian} on {ubuntu,debian} |
| 18:49.24 | jae | CharminTheMoose: in other words: you seem to have the right attitude, and we all started small |
| 18:49.32 | jonaskoelker | asg: me too, _and_ a core (wrt the cat) |
| 18:49.55 | asg | jonaskoelker: read(0, 0x804e000, 1024) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted) |
| 18:49.58 | asg | --- SIGQUIT (Quit) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 18:50.18 | Plouj | jonaskoelker: thanks, I just found a good how to: http://www.howtoforge.com/local_debian_ubuntu_mirror |
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| 18:52.50 | jonaskoelker | huh, this is strange; if I strace cat, then `kill -SIGSEGV pid-of-cat' from a different xterm, I _do_ get a core file |
| 18:52.59 | jonaskoelker | with the exact same strace output, except of course s/QUIT/SEGV/ |
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| 18:53.40 | jonaskoelker | anyone knows a good way to debug a segfault in a piece of software you haven't hacked before _besides_ starting from a backtrace? |
| 18:53.44 | dexemna | Where can I find what the differenes are between the sid precompiled kernel 2.6.18-3 which I have and the one that just recently made it into the repositories, 2.6.18-4? |
| 18:54.22 | jonaskoelker | dexemna: changelog, diff /boot/config*? |
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| 18:54.27 | asg | jonaskoelker: the best way, since you might have environmental ambiguities, is to get out of X and do it all from a console. |
| 18:54.44 | jonaskoelker | asg: it's an SDL app :\ |
| 18:54.53 | jonaskoelker | I'm thinking valgrind |
| 18:54.55 | creature | How can I find out why a package has been kept back? |
| 18:55.12 | asg | jonaskoelker: oh, I thought you were getting oddness from just ^\ with cat. |
| 18:55.21 | asg | creature: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 18:55.54 | jonaskoelker | in particular, gltron segfaults whenever I change the screen resolution from the in-game menu (but not when I hack the config-file). |
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| 18:55.57 | jonaskoelker | .. that's what I'm trying to debug |
| 18:56.47 | asg | jonaskoelker: well, if it's dumping a core, gdb is probably the best place to start. Otherwise, see if gltron has a mailing list or irc channel. |
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| 18:57.16 | jonaskoelker | the point is: I _want_ to make it dump core. How do I do it? |
| 18:57.47 | asg | jonaskoelker: are you starting it from an xterm or some menu item in a window managery thing? |
| 18:57.53 | jonaskoelker | xterm |
| 18:58.53 | asg | jonaskoelker: hmmm, have you tried attaching gdb directly to the process before it SEGVs? |
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| 18:59.39 | EvilDin | i have made one simple sh script, how do i make cron job out of it that, script wil be run every hour |
| 19:00.02 | PerfDave | EvilDin: man 5 crontab |
| 19:00.08 | cahoot | put it in cron.hourly |
| 19:00.18 | asg | EvilDin: make the script executable and read the crontab(5) manpage |
| 19:00.30 | EvilDin | only this |
| 19:00.57 | jonaskoelker | asg: ... well, that works |
| 19:01.07 | jonaskoelker | I'd still like to know how to get cores from segfaults |
| 19:01.34 | asg | EvilDin: yes. Make sure, though, that you aren't assuming some environment because jobs run from cron are likely not to have the same one as you do while testing. |
| 19:01.47 | jonaskoelker | look rod |
| 19:01.53 | asg | karsten: kinky |
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| 19:02.00 | karsten | jonaskoelker: ulimit -c <memsize> |
| 19:02.01 | EvilDin | are cron jobs runed as root, i need them to be |
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| 19:02.13 | jonaskoelker | karsten: I've _have_ done that |
| 19:02.17 | asg | EvilDin: they can be |
| 19:02.51 | karsten | jonaskoelker: Are these non-stripped binaries? |
| 19:03.01 | CharminTheMoose | damn erik thyren's email address is not in use |
| 19:03.02 | karsten | jonaskoelker: If they are stripped, cores won't be terribly useful. |
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| 19:03.29 | jonaskoelker | karsten: the elf is non-stripped (built from apt-get source), the libraries _are_ stripped (apt-get install'ed) |
| 19:03.40 | jonaskoelker | karsten: I know |
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| 19:03.51 | EvilDin | so i just put my script into /etc/cron.hourly and that's it |
| 19:03.56 | karsten | jonaskoelker: OK. Lemmee catch up on scrollback here... |
| 19:03.58 | EvilDin | or do i have to do anything else |
| 19:04.53 | karsten | jonaskoelker: alternatively, I'd just attach gdb to the process. |
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| 19:05.09 | asg | EvilDin: make sure the name of the script conforms to the filename specification in run-parts(8) |
| 19:05.12 | jonaskoelker | karsten: -.- |
| 19:05.12 | jonaskoelker | scroll back =~ 10 lines |
| 19:05.18 | karsten | jonaskoelker: truss => strace. |
| 19:05.23 | byte__ | i need some help with my mounted phone, i can't access it as a normal user and chmod,chown wont work |
| 19:05.30 | asg | karsten: he'd be in #solaris then |
| 19:05.45 | karsten | asg: No, he's from solaris. |
| 19:05.55 | asg | karsten: he's George Clooney? |
| 19:06.04 | asg | or Lem? |
| 19:06.12 | byte__ | ? |
| 19:06.13 | karsten | asg: You lost me. |
| 19:06.24 | karsten | jonaskoelker: use 'strace'. Does what truss does. |
| 19:06.37 | asg | karsten: thought you were talking about the shitty film, nevermind |
| 19:06.51 | karsten | asg: I never talk about shitty films. |
| 19:06.59 | karsten | asg: Smutty, now that's a whole 'nother story. |
| 19:06.59 | byte__ | could anybody help me with my phone |
| 19:07.03 | asg | karsten: touche |
| 19:07.09 | karsten | asg: Solaris: stanislaw lem. Did clooney do that? |
| 19:07.13 | karsten | byte__: ask |
| 19:07.15 | hark | but great book |
| 19:07.18 | asg | karsten: yes, sadly |
| 19:07.18 | byte__ | i need some help with my mounted phone, i can't access it as a normal user and chmod,chown wont work |
| 19:07.23 | asg | byte__: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 19:07.33 | byte__ | chown: changing ownership of `/mnt/phone': Operation not permitted |
| 19:07.33 | byte__ | k |
| 19:07.51 | karsten | byte__: You can't chmod mountpoints. |
| 19:07.57 | EvilDin | asg: do i have do set anything in crontab, or do i just put the script into cron.hourly |
| 19:08.01 | karsten | byte__: ... or chwon them. You can specify mount perms. |
| 19:08.01 | byte__ | i dont have it in fstab though.. |
| 19:08.05 | byte__ | i dont know what ot put in fstab |
| 19:08.06 | asg | EvilDin: just put it in there |
| 19:08.07 | jelly-home | karsten: you can if you're root |
| 19:08.11 | byte__ | i justm ounted it with mount |
| 19:08.26 | karsten | jelly-home: Um. I don't think so. |
| 19:08.40 | byte__ | what should i put in fstab, the whole line |
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| 19:08.49 | jelly-home | karsten: (ok, not the underlying mount points but root dirs of the fs) |
| 19:08.54 | byte__ | thats the drive |
| 19:08.59 | byte__ | /dev/sda on /mnt/phone type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 19:10.22 | karsten | jelly-home: Nope. |
| 19:12.00 | jelly-home | karsten: why not? A root directory is just like any other directory. |
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| 19:14.13 | jelly-home | karsten: I see no problems with chmod or chowning the root of a fs if the filesystem in question has reasonable unix permissions support |
| 19:14.49 | karsten | jelly-home: You can chmod/chown the mountpoint all you want. |
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| 19:14.59 | karsten | jelly-home: It doesn't change the mode/perms of the mounted filesystem. |
| 19:15.09 | karsten | jelly-home: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5187 |
| 19:15.14 | asg | jelly-home: once the filesystem is mounted, the perms/mode change to that of the root of the mounted filesystem |
| 19:16.00 | jelly-home | asg: sure, but when it's mounted, you're not changing the mount point any more, but the root of that filesystem |
| 19:16.02 | karsten | jelly-home: When you do that on an ext2/3 or other FS with Unix style perms, groups, and ownership, you're actually modifying the values on the *filesystem root*, *not* the mountpoint. |
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| 19:16.21 | asg | jelly-home: yes, that's true |
| 19:16.36 | karsten | jelly-home: For fat/vfat, there is no user/group stat() information, and just global rw permissions (execute is IIRC implied). |
| 19:16.40 | jelly-home | karsten: that's what I meant with <jelly-home> karsten: (ok, not the underlying mount points but root dirs of the fs) |
| 19:16.47 | karsten | jelly-home: Sure. |
| 19:17.03 | asg | then we are all in agreement, group hug |
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| 19:17.19 | karsten | ... using that "special" core rod. |
| 19:17.27 | asg | dvda |
| 19:17.35 | khatahn | hi, is the package installation/uninstallation history saved somewhere? |
| 19:17.40 | jelly-home | asg: eek |
| 19:17.53 | karsten | khatahn: If you use aptitude, yes. |
| 19:17.56 | asg | khatahn: it depends on the version of debian you are running and what utility you used |
| 19:18.11 | karsten | !tell khatahn about aptitude |
| 19:18.14 | khatahn | i used apt-get |
| 19:18.19 | karsten | !lose khatahn |
| 19:18.20 | dpkg | khatahn: You Lose. |
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| 19:18.28 | khatahn | yeah, i know about aptitude :) |
| 19:18.33 | asg | khatahn: /var/log/dpkg.log (>sarge) |
| 19:18.34 | karsten | khatahn: I *very* strongly recommend aptitude |
| 19:18.42 | karsten | asg: Really? |
| 19:18.45 | asg | karsten: yep |
| 19:19.23 | karsten | asg: Coolio. |
| 19:19.41 | asg | karsten: it's not intuitive but the relevant info is there |
| 19:19.44 | khatahn | asg: ahh, great. thank you! |
| 19:19.53 | karsten | "Hug someone with a core sampling rod, learn something new" |
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| 19:20.01 | asg | capital! |
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| 19:20.41 | asg | khatahn: you're welcome |
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| 19:21.27 | saint-takeshi | is there an easy way to install SDL? |
| 19:21.47 | karsten | saint-takeshi: ... as opposed to? |
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| 19:25.20 | saint-takeshi | i don't really understand how SDL works, or even what it actually is....but a game i just downloaded needs it, and comes with source code for it... |
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| 19:26.02 | PerfDave | saint-takeshi: SDL is the Simple DirectMedia Layer, it's a library used by many games |
| 19:26.06 | PerfDave | saint-takeshi: apt-cache search libsdl |
| 19:27.07 | karsten | saint-takeshi: Search for it in Debian packages. If it's not there, you're stuck with whatever third-party install ('./configure; make; sudo make install' if you're lucky) the sources have. |
| 19:27.21 | karsten | saint-takeshi: ... though I'd think twice before installing random third party stuff. |
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| 19:27.55 | karsten | saint-takeshi: Looks like you'll find it in Debian. |
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| 19:28.51 | saint-takeshi | so i can just apt-get install libsdl? |
| 19:29.00 | karsten | saint-takeshi: Sure. |
| 19:29.04 | svilendotorg | can i get some help pls :) |
| 19:29.04 | svilendotorg | i have /dev/hda2 and just debootstrapped a clean debian install on it |
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| 19:29.16 | karsten | !tell svilendotorg about smart questions |
| 19:29.22 | karsten | svilendotorg: Just ask. |
| 19:30.20 | svilendotorg | i have /dev/hda1 with grub installed on it; the question is how to configure /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 19:30.26 | hakin9 | hi |
| 19:30.34 | karsten | svilendotorg: With your favorite editor. |
| 19:30.35 | hakin9 | anybody can help me please ? |
| 19:30.46 | svilendotorg | root (hd0,0) or root (hd0,1) |
| 19:30.52 | karsten | svilendotorg: ... though in general 'update-grub' should sufice. |
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| 19:30.56 | hakin9 | to fix an erroned partition table |
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| 19:31.40 | karsten | svilendotorg: That's the *grub* root. Not your Linux root partition. Wherever grub is installed to. hda1 == (hd0,0), hda2= (hd0,1) |
| 19:31.47 | slept | hi, how can I find out which service is opening the ftp port on my system ? |
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| 19:31.55 | asg | slept: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 19:32.02 | karsten | hakin9: pastebin the table. Describe what the problem is. |
| 19:32.10 | karsten | slept: netstat -tplv (as root) |
| 19:32.26 | hakin9 | how displaying the table . fdisk -l ? |
| 19:32.28 | karsten | hakin9: gpart may help you. |
| 19:32.31 | karsten | hakin9: Yes. |
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| 19:32.40 | lvalue | how can I make an apt-get install --reinstall for all installed packages ? |
| 19:32.44 | svilendotorg | karsten: ok, that's what i needed to know, thanks :) so with root (hd0,0) and root=/dev/hda2 it should boot from /dev/hda1 and then mount / from /dev/hda2 |
| 19:33.19 | PerfDave | lvalue: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 19:33.22 | asg | lvalue: that generally does it, what is the problem? Have you deleted a config file? |
| 19:33.37 | lvalue | rootkit suspicion |
| 19:33.39 | karsten | lvalue: aptitude install --reinstall $( dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" {print 1}' ) |
| 19:33.42 | slept | thanks asg karsten |
| 19:33.50 | asg | slept: you're welcome |
| 19:33.53 | karsten | svilendotorg: Yes. |
| 19:33.58 | asg | lvalue: try debsums |
| 19:34.06 | karsten | slept: NP. |
| 19:34.15 | mirak | hi |
| 19:34.22 | karsten | !saturday |
| 19:34.22 | dpkg | from memory, saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 19:34.28 | mirak | what to do when you have a apackage that you can remove trough apt ? |
| 19:34.30 | lvalue | asg, i will thanks |
| 19:34.35 | hakin9 | gparted don't find the partitions just the whole disk :( |
| 19:34.41 | asg | lvalue: also, look at chkrootkit and rkhunter |
| 19:34.42 | karsten | mirak: Generally take a tea break. |
| 19:34.49 | karsten | mirak: can or cannot? |
| 19:34.53 | hakin9 | dev/hda1 1 1216 9767488+ 83 Linux |
| 19:34.57 | hakin9 | /dev/hda2 * 1217 30401 234428512+ 5 Extended |
| 19:34.57 | hakin9 | /dev/hda3 6208 30401 194338273+ 83 Linux |
| 19:34.57 | hakin9 | /dev/hda5 1217 1277 489919+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 19:34.58 | hakin9 | /dev/hda6 1278 6207 39600193+ e W95 FAT16 (LBA) |
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| 19:35.00 | karsten | hakin9: pastebin |
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| 19:35.06 | mirak | karsten: dpkg fails to remove it |
| 19:35.12 | karsten | !tell hakin9 about pastebin |
| 19:35.17 | karsten | mirak: What error message? |
| 19:35.17 | mirak | karsten: install also fails |
| 19:35.26 | lvalue | asg, the person that claims there is a rootkit says rkhunter is not detecting it :) |
| 19:35.38 | karsten | mirak: pastebin error. |
| 19:35.42 | hakin9 | sorry |
| 19:35.43 | karsten | !tell mirak about pastebin |
| 19:35.58 | svilendotorg | karsten: ok, i'm rebooting now, i hope it will work |
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| 19:36.02 | mirak | karsten: python-freevo |
| 19:36.05 | karsten | lvalue: While that's true, you should be able to find it. |
| 19:36.07 | svilendotorg | because the PC is not around me |
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| 19:36.14 | svilendotorg | it's networked debootstrap |
| 19:36.24 | asg | lvalue: well, that's possible. Does chkrootkit do a better job? Also, is rkhunter being run from an apt-get install on the system or from read-only media compiled on another system? |
| 19:36.26 | mirak | karsten: apt is really not perfect |
| 19:36.33 | karsten | lvalue: Running chkrootkit from alternate media (eg: knoppix) may be advised. |
| 19:36.36 | karsten | svilendotorg: Good luck! |
| 19:36.43 | slept | and how can i find out the ip of the dhcp server that handed out the lease i am using ? arp just knows about the one i am not using ... yes , there are two in the network, and no its not my fault |
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| 19:36.51 | karsten | mirak: What error messages. Pastebin them. |
| 19:36.58 | karsten | mirak: .... and nevermind the irrelevancies. |
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| 19:37.06 | hakin9 | http://pastebin.ca/33027 |
| 19:37.18 | karsten | slept: /var/log/messages should record where the lease came from. |
| 19:37.19 | lvalue | ok, i will combine things a bit, thanks for the tips |
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| 19:38.10 | hakin9 | please i need help impossible to install new system on this /dev/hda disk !! |
| 19:38.13 | x_link | Hi... I just wrote something in KEdit, if I want to save the file on a floppy, what should I do then? |
| 19:38.14 | karsten | !tell mirak about paste. |
| 19:38.15 | slept | karsten, i tought so too but neither that nor dmesg gives me any information ...is there an other way ? |
| 19:38.17 | x_link | I can't find it at all. |
| 19:38.18 | karsten | mirak: Working on that? |
| 19:38.29 | sid | How do I make sure a .iso file matches what I burned to the disc perfectly? md5sum file.iso; md5sum /dev/hdc; will that work? |
| 19:38.32 | karsten | slept: Sec. |
| 19:38.37 | x_link | Same thing when I put in a floppy, I don't know where to go to see the file son my floppy ? |
| 19:38.43 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with this+ |
| 19:38.44 | x_link | + |
| 19:38.46 | x_link | err ? |
| 19:38.47 | karsten | sid: cdrecord has a verify option. |
| 19:39.04 | mirak | karsten: yes |
| 19:39.05 | karsten | x_link: /media/floppy/ by default. 'cat /proc/mounts | grep vfat' |
| 19:39.11 | karsten | ! uuoc | karsten |
| 19:39.45 | x_link | karsten: OK |
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| 19:40.42 | x_link | karsten: So if I right click on my desktop --> Create --> Link To Location -> There I will write /media/floppy. Then if I click on that one I will come to my floppy? |
| 19:41.00 | x_link | Yes, it worked =) |
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| 19:41.15 | karsten | x_link: Egads. Use a shell, man! |
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| 19:41.57 | minkni | etch is a hoax, itsn ever coming out! |
| 19:41.58 | karsten | x_link: That's very WM / desktop dependent. |
| 19:41.58 | svilendotorg | karsten: the machine booted, but i guess i forgot to set root password |
| 19:42.01 | svilendotorg | and now i can't log in |
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| 19:42.04 | svilendotorg | damn |
| 19:42.11 | asg | svilendotorg: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 19:42.17 | karsten | svilendotorg: Should be no password. |
| 19:42.28 | karsten | svilendotorg: ... or you forgot to enable root access in ssh. |
| 19:42.29 | x_link | karsten: It worked, I just wanted to make a link to the floppy on my desktop. |
| 19:42.29 | Leafw | anyone knows precisely which processor architecture is the intel core 2 duo T7600 ? |
| 19:42.32 | Leafw | intel webpage doesn't mention it anywhere |
| 19:42.36 | karsten | svilendotorg: How far away is the box. |
| 19:42.49 | karsten | asg: network chroot debinstall system. |
| 19:43.02 | Leafw | I'm customizing a kernel ... and can't select the proper arch type for it |
| 19:43.04 | minkni | /msg dpkg is etch ever coming out? no!! |
| 19:43.05 | js_ | how do i turn off the thing that makes the screen go blank after some time? |
| 19:43.10 | karsten | Leafw: cat /proc/cpuinfo; dmidecode |
| 19:43.22 | asg | karsten: ouch. |
| 19:43.22 | svilendotorg | karsten: not very but it's not in front of me :( |
| 19:43.29 | karsten | js_: screensaver, tset, bios, xset |
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| 19:43.36 | karsten | svilendotorg: sux0r. |
| 19:43.38 | karsten | bbiam |
| 19:43.59 | svilendotorg | karsten: ? |
| 19:44.00 | Leafw | karsten: cpu_family=6 means i686, I bet? |
| 19:44.55 | x_link | karsten: Thanks alot for your help! =) |
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| 19:48.45 | mirak | is there a standart way to remove manually any broken packages ? |
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| 19:49.45 | asg | mirak: hack the /var/lib/dpkg/info/{pre,post}rm scripts. Generally by making them return '0' |
| 19:50.15 | mirak | asg: ok |
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| 19:50.48 | thug | hi all |
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| 19:51.21 | thug | how do i give read write permission do a mounted disk ext3 partition for all users ? |
| 19:51.41 | SerajewelKS | the best one-liner ever: du -Sx . | sort -n |
| 19:51.52 | thug | ? |
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| 19:52.13 | SerajewelKS | thug: that was just a random comment |
| 19:52.16 | De_Mon | SerajewelKS why -S instead of -s? |
| 19:52.33 | christopherl | anyone knows how to move a file from computer to a remote computer using ssh? |
| 19:52.34 | De_Mon | and forwhatever reason x never seems to work the way I expect it to :( |
| 19:52.47 | De_Mon | christopherl scp filename server: |
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| 19:52.52 | mirak | asg: it doesn't work |
| 19:52.56 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: -x means it won't ever recurse into a different mount |
| 19:53.01 | De_Mon | christopherl or scp filename server:/path/to/whereyouwantit |
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| 19:53.30 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: and -S means if i have a dir structure a/b/c the report for a will not include files in b or c |
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| 19:53.36 | christopherl | De_Mon: thanx |
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| 19:53.45 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: so it finds space-hogging directories on one mount |
| 19:53.48 | De_Mon | SerajewelKS I link to other partitions with ln and such and it always seems to count them.. |
| 19:54.17 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: it shouldn't |
| 19:54.32 | De_Mon | SerajewelKS yeah I know what -S, but why wouldn't you want to know about the child directories, thats always how I track down rogue storage |
| 19:54.47 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: du does not follow symlinks at all by default |
| 19:55.12 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: because often i have many large files in one directory that i forgot about |
| 19:55.35 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: also, if you don't use -S then . is always really big and i'm tempted to delete it :) |
| 19:55.40 | asg | mirak: put the error in a pastebin (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 19:56.12 | De_Mon | heh, i usually do *, actually, I bet thats why x never does what I want |
| 19:56.35 | thug | will this entry in fstab let the user read write to the mounted disk ? defaults,errors=remount-rw 0 0 |
| 19:56.47 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: if you pass du a symlink on the command line it will follow it |
| 19:57.05 | asg | thug: what filesystem is on the disk? |
| 19:57.10 | thug | ext3 |
| 19:57.25 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: and since you are specifying multiple dirs, -x means that it will stay on only the mounts that you pass it. if a symlink goes to another mount, then it's going to go there because you told it to. |
| 19:57.29 | asg | thug: then the user can only read/write to the parts that standard unix permissions allow. |
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| 19:57.55 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: if you don't want that, then use . instead of * |
| 19:58.03 | thug | asg what option do i need to add so i can have full permission to that mounted location ? to the whole disk ? |
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| 19:58.28 | asg | thug: change the permissions of the files / directories to allow the user to do so; man chmod |
| 19:58.35 | SerajewelKS | thug: chmod o+a mountpoint |
| 19:58.55 | thug | asg i want it on fstab ... i dont want to change it everytime i boot into the system |
| 19:59.00 | SerajewelKS | thug: or o+rwX rather |
| 19:59.03 | thug | SerajewelKS ^^^ |
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| 19:59.10 | x_link | karsten: How do I link to trash can? |
| 19:59.12 | SerajewelKS | thug: if it is ext3 then it will use the perms on the disk |
| 19:59.14 | asg | thug: once you change the permissions on a filesystem, they are saved. |
| 19:59.34 | SerajewelKS | thug: if it were FAT then you would need to fuck with fstab. with ext3 you set the perms and walk away. |
| 19:59.49 | thug | ohhh ok |
| 20:00.00 | SerajewelKS | thug: if you want to give everyone permissions to every file: chmod -R a+rwX mountpoint |
| 20:00.12 | asg | !permissions |
| 20:00.12 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 20:00.16 | asg | thug: ^^^^ |
| 20:00.38 | asg | thug: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions is particularly informative |
| 20:00.57 | SerajewelKS | thug: it may be worth noting that the permissions for some mountpoint are actually the permissions on / of the mount |
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| 20:01.36 | SerajewelKS | thug: which means that the permissions on the directiory that being mounted over are irrelevant unless it's not mounted |
| 20:01.48 | SerajewelKS | that's* |
| 20:02.03 | thug | SerajewelKS chmod o+rwX /mount/point doesnt even let me copy files from it |
| 20:02.17 | SerajewelKS | thug: a+rwX |
| 20:02.26 | thug | <SerajewelKS> thug: or o+rwX rather |
| 20:02.30 | karsten | thug: What filesystem? |
| 20:02.34 | thug | ext3 |
| 20:02.35 | asg | karsten: ext3 |
| 20:02.40 | SerajewelKS | thug: i changed it later |
| 20:02.47 | SerajewelKS | thug: chmod -R a+rwX mountpoint |
| 20:03.00 | asg | SerajewelKS: that's not good advice |
| 20:03.06 | Joachim | Can someone try to confirm a bug in libnss-ldap for debian etch |
| 20:03.13 | SerajewelKS | asg: it's what he wants |
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| 20:03.40 | thug | asg why`s that ? whats wrong with that ? |
| 20:03.43 | Joachim | If /etc/libnss-ldap.conf is unreadable for a normal user libnss-ldap gets an assertion |
| 20:03.45 | asg | SerajewelKS: and it's up to us to educate him in the right way. If he was talking about wanting to write to /var, that would have seriously compromised his system. |
| 20:03.51 | Joachim | id joachim |
| 20:03.59 | Joachim | id: ldap-nss.c:1368: do_init: Zusicherung »cfg->ldc_uris[__session.ls_current_uri] != ((void *)0)« nicht erfüllt. |
| 20:04.03 | SerajewelKS | thug: what is this system used for, and what is the mountpoint? |
| 20:04.10 | thug | SerajewelKS yeah thats what i wanted ... works now |
| 20:04.11 | asg | thug: because that would have given everyone access to every directory on that filesystem. |
| 20:04.23 | crono- | thug: you could add the option gid in fstab |
| 20:04.51 | Joachim | I want to know if this is only my system or others are experiencing this too |
| 20:04.53 | thug | asg i only what that for a user named thug :) |
| 20:05.17 | thug | crono- what would that do ? give rw permission to the user that mount the disk ?> |
| 20:05.20 | asg | thug: great. Had you not, you would have been in a pickle. |
| 20:05.35 | crono- | Joachim: google usually tells you whether this is common... not to be all "google it" on you |
| 20:06.08 | asg | Joachim: you might also check the bts to see if someone else has reported the problem (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 20:06.12 | Joachim | crono-: Well making /etc/libnss-ldap.conf world readable fixes this |
| 20:06.20 | crono- | thug: if more than one user needs permission, set gid=usersgid in the fstab options, if only one, uid=userid.. thats what im doing with my windows drives on multiboot systems |
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| 20:06.23 | Joachim | but there is the password for the ldap server in there |
| 20:06.33 | Joachim | and anyway it should use nscd |
| 20:06.45 | Joachim | which can read /etc/libnss-ldap.conf |
| 20:06.56 | crono- | thug: sorry, that would give +r afaik |
| 20:07.22 | thug | crono- so defaults,uid=thug,errors=remount-ro 0 0 ? |
| 20:07.25 | crono- | but they would own the files and be able to change the modes |
| 20:07.42 | crono- | yeah the uid/gid have to be integers |
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| 20:08.10 | thug | so uid/gui=user then or how ? |
| 20:08.18 | thug | gid* |
| 20:08.19 | crono- | e.g. uid=500 |
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| 20:10.22 | RainbowW | is there a way to get new packages of exim to -not- eat my sendmail symlink? |
| 20:10.41 | broyce | anyone running zimbra? |
| 20:11.34 | drako | Heya |
| 20:11.38 | drako | I need save power on my laptop |
| 20:12.12 | asg | drako: check your laptop model on tuxmobile.org for hints/caveats |
| 20:12.47 | asg | RainbowW: eat? |
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| 20:13.28 | drako | asg, stuff like slow down the CPU freq |
| 20:13.44 | Hozer | Can anyone advise me? How can I get apt-get to replace deleted items? |
| 20:13.56 | asg | drako: after checking tuxmobile.org, look at the powernowd package |
| 20:14.03 | asg | Hozer: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:14.12 | RainbowW | asg: rm sendmail ; ln -s /var/qmail/bin/sendmail ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade ; ls -la sendmail: /usr/sbin/sendmail -> exim4 |
| 20:14.42 | asg | RainbowW: did you install qmail from source instead of using the qmail-src package? |
| 20:15.08 | asg | RainbowW: if so, check out the equivs package for use in building a fake package that provides mta dependancies since you already have qmail |
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| 20:15.28 | x_link | Right click on desktop --> Create --> Link To Location --> What should I write there if I want it to be to Trash Can? |
| 20:15.34 | RainbowW | asg: yes because the qmail-src package is unsupported by the qmail list. |
| 20:15.44 | x_link | That's the last thing I need help with, then I'm done with my "work". |
| 20:16.20 | asg | RainbowW: right. Check out the equivs package. The fake package will remove exim4 after installation but still provide the required dependancies to other packages, which are provide by your local qmail install. |
| 20:16.36 | Guerin | RainbowW: don't use qmail, it's broken |
| 20:16.56 | RainbowW | Guerin: don't start flame wars. |
| 20:17.17 | Guerin | RainbowW: i'm not.RainbowW: if they only support the DJB distribution, then you're basically making a spam-tripler |
| 20:17.51 | RainbowW | The supported installation doesn't lead to spam. |
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| 20:18.21 | Guerin | the stock DJPB distro causes two extra emails per spam it receives |
| 20:18.23 | asg | last I checked, the default installation was an open relay out of the box |
| 20:18.43 | azeem | he said "supported installation", not "default installation" |
| 20:18.48 | RainbowW | The stock DJB installation isn't the one that's supported on the qmail list. |
| 20:18.58 | asg | ah, fair enough |
| 20:19.01 | Guerin | azeem: and i said *if* they only support the DJB distro |
| 20:19.08 | Guerin | haha, the irony |
| 20:19.24 | asg | RainbowW: either way, equivs is what you want |
| 20:19.26 | RainbowW | You also issued the blanket statement that qmail is broken, an assertion that is patently false. |
| 20:19.35 | Guerin | even the fanboiz don't use his distro |
| 20:19.45 | azeem | Guerin: please drop it now |
| 20:19.48 | Guerin | RainbowW: no, it is - until you patch it to make it unbroken |
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| 20:21.03 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with that? |
| 20:21.17 | RainbowW | As I said, don't start flamewars, and don't make asinine assumptions. |
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| 20:21.38 | azeem | RainbowW: you should drop it as well |
| 20:21.56 | azeem | x_link: it's ~/.Trash |
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| 20:22.10 | x_link | Ahh ok |
| 20:22.11 | haldrik | hello |
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| 20:22.48 | x_link | azeem: I have tried that. But it doesn't work |
| 20:22.58 | azeem | x_link: what doesn't work? |
| 20:23.55 | x_link | It tells me that it already exist one file like that. |
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| 20:24.23 | x_link | I deleted the trash can before, cause I couldn't change the icon for it. Cause I thought if I made my own link to it then maybe I could change the icon. |
| 20:24.45 | azeem | x_link: is ~/.Trash a directory? |
| 20:24.46 | haldrik | I am installing Debian Etch with netinstaller for amd64 bits, cd have 150MB, I select this repo http://ftp.fr.debian.org. The installation download all pachages, but the progress bar is on 69% and the installer says openbsd-inetd installed. the istallation is stop at this point since two hours. |
| 20:25.49 | x_link | azeem: I don't know? |
| 20:26.28 | x_link | azeem: Where do I choose which programs I want on my desktop? Is there any program like that? I remember it was something like that in Windows. |
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| 20:26.31 | Guerin | haldrik: using ctrl+f[123456], see if there's debug information |
| 20:27.35 | Miesco_ | Where is a registrar |
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| 20:28.11 | azeem | x_link: so check |
| 20:28.22 | azeem | x_link: what does "ls -l ~/.Trash" say? |
| 20:28.47 | x_link | no such file or directory |
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| 20:29.14 | haldrik | Guerin: eth0 link down, :-Þ, a inserted foot on my link |
| 20:29.15 | haldrik | jajaja |
| 20:29.16 | azeem | 21:12 < x_link> It tells me that it already exist one file like that. |
| 20:29.17 | haldrik | thanks |
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| 20:29.31 | krazykit | Miesco_, like, a domain registrar? dreamhost, godaddy, yahoo, etc etc. |
| 20:29.32 | x_link | azeem: Yepp. |
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| 20:29.42 | x_link | azeem: Ahh let's forget about this. |
| 20:29.48 | Guerin | haldrik: hehe |
| 20:29.59 | azeem | x_link: then you better "mkdir ~/.Trash; chmod 700 ~/.Trash" |
| 20:30.03 | Guerin | Miesco_: use gandi.net |
| 20:30.15 | azeem | x_link: anyway, files in ~/Desktop are usually displayed on the desktop by nautilus |
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| 20:33.53 | Joachim | Update on the libnss-ldap situation it seams this bugs hit quite often but in no case is the bugreport filed against libnss-ldap |
| 20:35.05 | Roey | !pony |
| 20:35.12 | Roey | !ponies |
| 20:35.14 | Joachim | itself. But the applications which failed, e.g., tar #375533, cyrus21-imapd #399849. |
| 20:35.17 | Roey | :( |
| 20:35.20 | Roey | what's the trigger? |
| 20:35.24 | Joachim | huh |
| 20:35.29 | Roey | nm |
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| 20:35.49 | Supaplex | !smack Roey with a thousand pink ponies |
| 20:35.53 | Roey | nonono |
| 20:36.02 | Roey | !smegbot pony |
| 20:36.02 | vipersniper | i have installed apache2, where do i add "DirectoryIndex index.php index.html and so o. Do i need to add it to the sites-enabled/000-default or the apache2.conf |
| 20:36.03 | Roey | oof |
| 20:36.05 | Roey | !dpkg pony |
| 20:36.06 | Roey | yes |
| 20:36.13 | Roey | !dpkg ponies |
| 20:36.17 | Roey | whatever. |
| 20:36.54 | EvilDin | oh come one i put one traffic.sh script into cron.hourly but for two hours script wasn't runned. What else should i do* |
| 20:37.14 | vipersniper | anyone |
| 20:37.25 | asg | EvilDin: check /var/log/syslog to see if cron actually ran the file |
| 20:37.47 | asg | EvilDin: if it did, you need to do some debugging ... remember what I said about the environment earlier |
| 20:38.18 | EvilDin | am it seen like it wasn't run |
| 20:38.29 | EvilDin | does anything have to be written into crontab ? |
| 20:38.38 | asg | EvilDin: no, is the script executable? |
| 20:38.42 | EvilDin | into /etc/crontab |
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| 20:39.12 | EvilDin | yes -rwxr-xr-x |
| 20:39.27 | asg | EvilDin: no, as the manpage says, things in /etc/cron.hourly are run hourly if they are executable and meet the naming guildlines in run-parts(8) |
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| 20:40.06 | EvilDin | what naming guidiness ? |
| 20:40.34 | asg | EvilDin: run-parts(8) |
| 20:41.00 | EvilDin | what is this, command ? or what ? |
| 20:41.10 | k-man | when i do an apt-get update, i get an arror about no key for the following id:DCB0AE4729F335B3 |
| 20:41.11 | Guerin | EvilDin: man 8 run-parts |
| 20:41.11 | asg | a manpage, in section 8 |
| 20:41.15 | asg | EvilDin: man man |
| 20:41.19 | k-man | i have tried looking for the key for that id, but I can't find it |
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| 20:41.41 | k-man | any ideas how i can find out which sources.list line is needing that key? |
| 20:42.09 | EvilDin | my script http://pastebin.com/868935 --> what should i fix ? |
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| 20:42.45 | Guerin | k-man: process of elimination |
| 20:43.16 | k-man | ok, thanks |
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| 20:45.25 | angel_ | hi |
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| 20:46.12 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 20:46.23 | Mazingaro | please how can I record mic from kde? |
| 20:48.18 | Guerin | Mazingaro: make sure the mic volume is up, set to capture, and capture is not muted |
| 20:48.29 | Guerin | Mazingaro: then use `rec' or a gui like audacity |
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| 20:50.32 | Mazingaro | Guerin: I'm using krec, I can listen the mic feedback on my speakers, but that's all |
| 20:51.53 | Guerin | Mazingaro: then your capture isn't set up properly |
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| 20:54.17 | connecta | anyone here made a bootable debian usb drive |
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| 20:54.44 | Guerin | connecta: i did, worked just like a hard drive |
| 20:54.57 | Guerin | connecta: install a system, install a bootloader, boot |
| 20:55.04 | Guerin | but I lost it :( |
| 20:55.26 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 20:55.26 | dpkg | usb-install is, like, Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
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| 20:56.28 | opentrinity | cerco aiuto per velocizzare amule........ |
| 20:57.20 | abrotman | !it |
| 20:57.20 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 20:57.26 | abrotman | or speak english here please |
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| 20:58.14 | seriouslycgi | how do i add my regular user to the list of sudoers? i tried it in the users gui but its still not working? debian sarge |
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| 21:01.11 | connecta | Guerin, what i'd like to do is have a few bootable linux OS's on it, but still be able to have ntfs or fat partitions on it |
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| 21:01.42 | xerophyte | how can i configure the logrotate to rotate every 3 days ?? |
| 21:02.56 | Guerin | connecta: yeah, easy enough. You want a big flash drive or a hdd |
| 21:03.06 | hardcoffee | how can i enable the DGA on xorg for my tv card plz ? |
| 21:03.36 | connecta | i have one of those slim usb-powerd 80 giggers here |
| 21:03.42 | connecta | i want to really use the hell out of it |
| 21:03.49 | connecta | do you think this would work... http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/16/1724219 |
| 21:03.53 | abrotman | xerophyte: there's a config for that |
| 21:04.35 | xerophyte | abrotman, i was wondering what was it .. is it daily rotate 3 |
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| 21:05.51 | abrotman | xerophyte: hrm .. it has daily and weekly |
| 21:06.31 | PAK-9 | I am having some issues setting up debian, is anyone availible to give me some help? |
| 21:06.36 | abrotman | PAK-9: just ask |
| 21:06.44 | PAK-9 | thx |
| 21:06.51 | PAK-9 | I am trying to mount my hdds |
| 21:07.02 | PAK-9 | I have two disks |
| 21:07.15 | PAK-9 | they are on different IDE channels |
| 21:07.22 | abrotman | xerophyte: i don't see an option for it .. just daily/weekly/size |
| 21:07.36 | PAK-9 | I tried modifying the fstab file |
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| 21:07.45 | PAK-9 | by adding in /dev/hdc1 |
| 21:07.46 | xerophyte | abrotman, yes it make sense .. you can control it using rotate 3 |
| 21:07.58 | xerophyte | abrotman, so it will keep 3 files |
| 21:08.05 | PAK-9 | but when I mount /dev/hdc1 it tells me unknown device |
| 21:08.22 | abrotman | xerophyte: oh yeah .. but that will keep three daily logs ... |
| 21:08.23 | yipstar | quit |
| 21:08.31 | abrotman | PAK-9: sata ? |
| 21:08.34 | PAK-9 | yes |
| 21:08.44 | abrotman | dmesg .. look for them .. might be /dev/sda |
| 21:09.07 | gammelmark | does anyone know what the max resolution on a UWGA screen is? |
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| 21:09.26 | abrotman | google ? probably depends on the actual device ? |
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| 21:10.02 | wad | I'm just learning debian, so sorry for the newbie question. On my new machine, I changed the IP address from a DHCP-assigned on to a static one, by editing /etc/network/interfaces. That seems to have worked (I rebooted), but now I've lost DNS. /etc/resolv.conf is right, but nothing is resolving. Help? |
| 21:10.06 | gammelmark | might be :S |
| 21:10.35 | Guerin | wad: your dhcp probably assigned nameservers. Ask your isp, or look some up yourself |
| 21:11.02 | wad | I checked my firewall, and the IP addresses it uses for DNS are the same ones I found in resolv.conf. |
| 21:11.04 | Joachim | Try 141.1.1.1 this a DNS server |
| 21:11.10 | abrotman | wad: /etc/resolv.conf to set them |
| 21:11.15 | PAK-9 | ah i think they are hde and hdg for some reason |
| 21:11.25 | seriouslycgi | how do i add my regular user to the list of sudoers? i tried it in the users gui but its still not working? debian sarge |
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| 21:11.31 | Guerin | wad: your firewall has a caching name server, or no? |
| 21:11.36 | wad | Hmm, I can't ping those IPs, even! |
| 21:11.48 | wad | I must have flobbered my edit of /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 21:11.49 | PAK-9 | mkdir /mnt/e1 |
| 21:11.53 | PAK-9 | shit sry |
| 21:11.57 | wad | I didn't specify a value for "network" or "broadcast". |
| 21:11.58 | abrotman | wad: is your route correct ? |
| 21:12.00 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: man sudoers; use visudo to edit |
| 21:12.03 | abrotman | or gateway i mean |
| 21:12.11 | wad | Ah! |
| 21:12.13 | seriouslycgi | thanks Guerin |
| 21:12.17 | Guerin | wad: you should specify at least broadcast |
| 21:12.18 | wad | Where is the gateway set? |
| 21:12.27 | Guerin | wad: in interfaces |
| 21:12.34 | wad | Okay, just another entry in the list? |
| 21:12.53 | wad | Oh,. and after making this change to the file, how do I make it actually happen? |
| 21:12.58 | hardcoffee | how can i enable the DGA on xorg for my tv card plz ? |
| 21:13.03 | wad | Seems like there should be a way other than rebooting. :) |
| 21:13.12 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:13.18 | aleka | do i need to enable any repositories to get proprietery codecs? |
| 21:13.35 | wad | awesome, thanks. |
| 21:13.51 | Guerin | aleka: /msg dpkg marillat |
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| 21:14.13 | PAK-9 | okay I added the drives to fstab and it didnt complain when I mounted them, however selecting the drives in konqueror tells me "Could not enter folder /mnt/g1" |
| 21:14.17 | wad | Okay, I added a gateway line. I'm not sure what to put for broadcast, though.... This box is 192.168.0.5, and the netmast is 255.255.255.0, and the gateway is 192.168.0.1 |
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| 21:14.30 | wad | s/netmast/netmask/ # duh |
| 21:14.53 | wad | My other server (a SUSE box) has the broadcast entry empty. |
| 21:14.55 | Guerin | wad: broadcast should be 192.168.0.255, depending on your network |
| 21:15.04 | wad | Ah, that looks right. Awesome, guys! |
| 21:15.14 | aleka | Guerin: I think I have Sarge, how can I make sure what version I am on? (uname argument option?? uname -a is not giving me the codename of the release) |
| 21:15.21 | abrotman | you don't need broadcast |
| 21:15.24 | abrotman | or network |
| 21:15.27 | wad | What is the "network" parameter? |
| 21:15.31 | wad | Ah, I don't need it. Thanks. |
| 21:15.33 | abrotman | address, gateway, netmask |
| 21:15.39 | Guerin | no, but they're good to specify, for disambiguation |
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| 21:16.18 | wad | Sweet! My DNS is now resolving stuff... I'm good to go. Thanks so much! |
| 21:16.46 | Guerin | !what version |
| 21:16.46 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 21:16.51 | Guerin | aleka: ↑ |
| 21:17.02 | Maakuth | hmmh.. why doesn't samba want to install in my etch system? |
| 21:17.12 | wad | Say, for example, that I wanted to disambiguify the "network" parameter? What should it be set to? |
| 21:17.14 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 21:17.23 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces might be of some help |
| 21:17.31 | wad | As per Guerin's recommendation. :) |
| 21:17.49 | Maakuth | it kind of installs, but nmbd doesn't start, and it doesn't create /etc/samba directory |
| 21:18.01 | wad | Allright, I'll try it. |
| 21:18.02 | Guerin | wad: network 192.168.0.0/24 ; broadcast 192.168.0.255 |
| 21:18.13 | wad | Ah, okay. |
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| 21:18.21 | abrotman | Maakuth: how did you install it ? |
| 21:18.36 | Guerin | suggest you play with ipcalc to grok the idea of a `network' |
| 21:18.39 | Maakuth | apt-get install |
| 21:18.40 | Guerin | it's in apt |
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| 21:19.37 | PAK-9 | any advice on my error? :/ |
| 21:19.54 | abrotman | PAK-9: try it from the command line |
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| 21:19.58 | aleka | Guerin: /etc/debian_version is giving me 3.1 how do you get the codename thogh (sarge,etch) |
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| 21:20.17 | PAK-9 | oh, seems to work |
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| 21:20.29 | PAK-9 | can I not browse it then? |
| 21:21.14 | Guerin | aleka: you don't |
| 21:21.44 | wad | I'm migrating from SUSE. In SUSE, I can control which services are started at boot time using chkconfig. I can start and stop them by using, for example, rcapache2 stop. I assume there is an analogous facility with Debian...? |
| 21:21.57 | azeem | wad: invoke-rc.d |
| 21:22.02 | azeem | wad: update-rc.d |
| 21:22.03 | wad | Thanks, I'll man it! |
| 21:22.07 | wad | s/it/them/ |
| 21:22.22 | Guerin | !/msg dpkg red hat tools for some analogies |
| 21:22.30 | Guerin | huh |
| 21:22.34 | Guerin | s/!// |
| 21:23.14 | seriouslycgi | Guerin, ill just stick to su -- for now lol |
| 21:23.57 | Guerin | seriouslycgi: better that than trying to do sudoers without understanding it |
| 21:23.57 | seriouslycgi | hell yes lol man that looks like its difficult |
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| 21:24.28 | Guerin | well, it's not all that difficult, but it can be a security risk if you get it wrong |
| 21:24.36 | Guerin | so it's good to be sure |
| 21:25.05 | seriouslycgi | is ubuntu pretty secure witht heir preconfigured sudo setup |
| 21:25.13 | Guerin | yes and no |
| 21:25.19 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:25.21 | wad | azeem: I didn't see a way to dump the current settings. This is a fresh install, so I'm not sure what is running by default. |
| 21:25.23 | abrotman | or seriouslycgi |
| 21:25.32 | Guerin | it depends on the use the box is being put to |
| 21:26.09 | seriouslycgi | oh well thanks anyway ill have another go when i know a bit more |
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| 21:28.17 | De_Mon | wait, what? |
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| 21:28.35 | underfl0w | hi |
| 21:28.52 | De_Mon | sudo is less secure than su only when you dont know how to specificy who can sudo |
| 21:29.08 | De_Mon | and if you cant figure that out, you shouldn't be using su either |
| 21:29.49 | Maakuth | that's what my samba installation says: http://pastebin.com/868953 |
| 21:30.03 | abrotman | argh .. pastebin.com! |
| 21:30.14 | dvs | what's wrong with pastebin.com? |
| 21:30.17 | Maakuth | sorry, what's wrong with that? |
| 21:30.17 | seriouslycgi | De_Mon then i cant do anything as root from command! |
| 21:30.22 | abrotman | it's slow .. for 90% of the world |
| 21:30.28 | Maakuth | okay |
| 21:30.29 | dvs | so I C! |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | ah finally came up |
| 21:30.51 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, what about pastebin.ca? |
| 21:30.57 | abrotman | that's better |
| 21:31.00 | dvs | it kicks ass! |
| 21:31.02 | tralala | rafb.net/paste |
| 21:31.03 | abrotman | though it's been getting worse |
| 21:31.04 | seriouslycgi | i cant access pastebin from nz |
| 21:31.07 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:31.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 21:31.27 | abrotman | Maakuth: have you looked in the BTS ? (since you're running testing or unstable) |
| 21:31.27 | Maakuth | but what about my samba :P |
| 21:31.39 | Maakuth | bts? |
| 21:31.43 | abrotman | !bts |
| 21:31.44 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 21:31.58 | Maakuth | ok, i'll check |
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| 21:32.30 | thug | extra virtual host i want to add to apache2 goes to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default ? |
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| 21:32.33 | De_Mon | seriouslycgi sudo is for giving other people root access in limited situations. if its just for you, and your not giving out root password to everyone, youre not doing toooo bad |
| 21:32.52 | abrotman | thug: you can make another 'site' for vhosts if you want |
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| 21:33.53 | thug | abrotman where can i add that ? apache2.conf ? |
| 21:34.56 | thug | # Include the virtual host configurations: |
| 21:34.56 | thug | Include /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
| 21:34.59 | thug | this is it . |
| 21:35.07 | Gokee2 | I am trying to compile tilp11 And its telling me "configure: error: Package requirements (ticables2 >= 1.0.0) were not met. Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix." I was able to apt-get ticables3 but I don`t see any ticables2 can I make it use ticables3? Using the PGK-CONFIG_PATH thingy? I try to stay on the other side of the galaxy from compiling... Anyone? Th |
| 21:35.07 | Gokee2 | anks |
| 21:35.22 | petemc | thug: put it in sites-available/ , name it arbitrarily and a2ensite name |
| 21:35.22 | dvs | !wayttc Gokee2 |
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| 21:35.31 | seriouslycgi | De_Mon sudo just seems easier than su -- because i dont have to exit after im finished. i dont mind doing it im just getting lazy. |
| 21:35.31 | abrotman | thug: sure .. but you can make a vhost in "sites-available" and link it in sites-enabled |
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| 21:35.32 | dvs | damn! who removed that? |
| 21:35.41 | Maakuth | hmmh.. same problem with sid's samba |
| 21:35.43 | abrotman | !wayttc |
| 21:35.47 | abrotman | dvs: PP |
| 21:35.53 | dvs | PP? |
| 21:36.04 | abrotman | politeness police ? |
| 21:36.12 | abrotman | !wayttd dvs |
| 21:36.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, dvs? |
| 21:36.18 | Gokee2 | What did it say? |
| 21:36.21 | dvs | grrr! |
| 21:36.22 | abrotman | !wayc dvs |
| 21:36.22 | dpkg | dvs: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 21:36.31 | dvs | oh there it is |
| 21:36.34 | PAK-9 | when I apt-get update I get this error at the end: "Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 21:36.35 | PAK-9 | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 21:36.49 | PAK-9 | does anyone know how I can fix it? |
| 21:36.55 | mikes1 | debian 4.0 must be close |
| 21:37.01 | Gokee2 | Ah because the version on apt-get is so old no one wants to help me with it and it does not work. |
| 21:37.09 | abrotman | is old ? |
| 21:37.13 | dvs | mikes1: Vista will beat it to the door! |
| 21:37.16 | Gokee2 | Yes, VERY old |
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| 21:37.28 | mikes1 | dvs: hell I hope not |
| 21:37.29 | abrotman | Gokee2: did you install the -dev package for it ? |
| 21:37.47 | Gokee2 | -dev? I don`t think it has one? |
| 21:38.01 | mikes1 | dvs: I am in it 4.o now ,,Its needs firefox 2.0 |
| 21:38.17 | dvs | mikes1: No one has 4.0. |
| 21:38.19 | mikes1 | so i installed it from uncle sid |
| 21:38.22 | thug | abrotman where do i pecific the vhost name ? |
| 21:38.22 | Gokee2 | abrotman, Nope just the one old tilp in apt-get |
| 21:38.36 | abrotman | Gokee2: get the -dev package |
| 21:38.37 | mikes1 | dvs: ok etch ,,frozen |
| 21:38.38 | De_Mon | seriouslycgi yep, sudo is awesome and not that complicated. You should try harder to understand how it works |
| 21:38.43 | abrotman | thug: you need to read the apache doc |
| 21:38.45 | abrotman | docs |
| 21:39.11 | eldowan | I am using etch with a laptop that has no middle-button. Can I map mouse button 6 or 7 to button 3? |
| 21:39.12 | Gokee2 | abrotman, There is no -dev package, at least that I can find |
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| 21:39.23 | thug | abrotman i did create the link with a new site .. into that file i just changed the root dir .. but what would be the name entry ? what.mysite.com ... where do i put this ? |
| 21:39.29 | dvs | Emulate3Button? |
| 21:39.50 | mikes1 | eldowan: plug in a mouse |
| 21:39.57 | abrotman | Gokee2: apt-cache search ticables .. see a -dev package ? |
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| 21:40.16 | eldowan | dvs: mike-e_ I like the touch pad, and I don't like pressing both buttons to emulate it. |
| 21:40.35 | mikes1 | eldowan: oh ok |
| 21:40.44 | eldowan | I have a four-way button in between buttons 1 and 2 that has buttons 4,5,6,7 |
| 21:40.44 | Gokee2 | abrotman, ah yes! Why does a dev ticables3 help me? |
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| 21:41.07 | abrotman | Gokee2: that's what whatever you're compiling might be looking for |
| 21:41.12 | abrotman | if it's the right version |
| 21:41.28 | Gokee2 | abrotman, The configure still fails |
| 21:41.37 | k-man | is evms equaly as reliable as lvm and raid? |
| 21:41.39 | Gokee2 | Its still the 3 instead of the 2 |
| 21:41.40 | eguzkia | someone know a program to rip dvd video? |
| 21:41.51 | abrotman | Gokee2: it'll only compile with ticables2 ? |
| 21:41.58 | justin | !tell eguzkia about search |
| 21:42.25 | Gokee2 | abrotman, That what it says. "configure: error: Package requirements (ticables2 >= 1.0.0) were not met." |
| 21:42.40 | abrotman | Gokee2: i think you need a newer tilp .. it must be pretty damn old when even sarge has a newer libticables |
| 21:42.56 | abrotman | !info tilp etch |
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| 21:42.57 | Gokee2 | This is the newest tilp.... |
| 21:43.04 | dpkg | tilp: (TI calculator <-> PC communication program for X), section math, is optional. Version: 6.80-3 (etch), Packaged size: 643 kB, Installed size: 1740 kB |
| 21:44.09 | abrotman | Gokee2: your'e compiling tilp or tilp-II ? |
| 21:44.16 | Gokee2 | Thats only tilp-II |
| 21:44.33 | Gokee2 | I mean I am trying to compule tilp-II |
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| 21:46.02 | eguzkia | hello i need to copy a dvd 9gb into a dvd 4gb how can i do? |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | Gokee2: i guess you'll have to compile the library too .. or try to find an apt source |
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| 21:47.01 | mikes1 | eguzkia: hmmmmm |
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| 21:47.01 | Gokee2 | abrotman, :( ok |
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| 21:47.02 | sylvanthis | does anyone know what kernel the newest debian uses? coz i need a 2.6.19.* kernel |
| 21:47.16 | dvs | sylvanthis: etch uses 2.6.18 |
| 21:47.23 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: In sid only |
| 21:47.32 | underfl0w | i think 2.6.18 at least for x86 |
| 21:47.53 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: sidux runs 2.6.19 |
| 21:47.54 | sylvanthis | hmm ok :( |
| 21:48.08 | sylvanthis | ok, sidux is based on debian? |
| 21:48.15 | mikes1 | sid |
| 21:48.22 | mikes1 | yes |
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| 21:48.33 | abrotman | sid is still 2.6.18 |
| 21:48.51 | sylvanthis | oh |
| 21:48.52 | dvs | !depends linux-image-2.6-386 sid |
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| 21:49.32 | sylvanthis | any ideas how to setup debian with a 2.6.19 kernel? because i installed gentoo from the newest knoppix livecd |
| 21:49.35 | dvs | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:49.42 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 21:49.43 | sylvanthis | but i dno how to do that with debian |
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| 21:50.18 | abrotman | dvs: it's -486 now :) |
| 21:50.32 | dvs | poor 386 |
| 21:50.42 | underfl0w | you can always download the latest kernel from kernel.org and compile it yourself |
| 21:50.47 | abrotman | !Kp |
| 21:50.48 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 21:50.48 | drako | which program can i use to slow down the cpu freq? |
| 21:50.56 | Gokee2 | NOw it wants glib! |
| 21:51.04 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1 |
| 21:51.08 | sylvanthis | underfl0w, yes i know however the livecd wont run on my pc if it's not using 2.6.19 |
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| 21:52.41 | dvs | !gentoosmite Gokee2 |
| 21:52.53 | Gokee2 | GRRRRR it wants glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0 |
| 21:53.12 | abrotman | you should have that .. you need the -dev |
| 21:53.20 | abrotman | Gokee2: are you etch or sid ? |
| 21:53.20 | Gokee2 | Ah! |
| 21:53.29 | Gokee2 | er... testing |
| 21:53.48 | abrotman | !info libglib2.0-dev |
| 21:53.52 | dpkg | libglib2.0-dev: (Development files for the GLib library), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.12.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 527 kB, Installed size: 2048 kB |
| 21:53.53 | abrotman | erm .. close enough :) |
| 21:54.21 | Gokee2 | but it wants 2.4.0? |
| 21:54.46 | sylvanthis | i ll guess i setup debian in vmware, copy the fiiles and use my gentoo kernel |
| 21:54.54 | sylvanthis | gentoo kernel will work with debian right? |
| 21:56.45 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite sylvanthis |
| 21:57.05 | abrotman | Gokee2: it wants greater or equal |
| 21:57.08 | Gokee2 | Yay ticables is installed |
| 21:57.12 | Mazingaro | Guerin: I forgot full duplex for arts... Now recording works but it is fragmented... |
| 21:57.15 | Supaplex | sylvanthis: more or less, tias. you'll loose the added benifit of package management. |
| 21:58.06 | Gokee2 | Ah 2.12.6-2 I was thinking .4 and .12... instead of 4 and 12 :) |
| 21:58.17 | sylvanthis | lol |
| 21:58.23 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: sidux iso ,,15 min install |
| 21:58.35 | sylvanthis | i think portage is great, just not for everyone |
| 21:58.55 | mikes1 | Its good in multisport |
| 21:58.55 | sylvanthis | mikes1, ok i ll try that, but i thought someone just said it didn't have 2.6.19 |
| 21:58.57 | mikes1 | hehe |
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| 21:59.37 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: kernel 2.6.19.2 |
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| 21:59.58 | Gokee2 | Now I need ticonv... I did a apt-cache search for it and it was nowhere to be found? |
| 22:00.01 | eguzkia | there is a version of k9copy for debian? |
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| 22:01.09 | sylvanthis | great :) |
| 22:01.10 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=03990 |
| 22:01.32 | abrotman | eguzkia: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:05.24 | sylvanthis | mikes1, do i need chaos or source? |
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| 22:06.21 | Leafw | which is the processor family for the c2d ? perhaps a pentium M ? |
| 22:06.41 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: I d/loadeed chaos |
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| 22:07.18 | muhoo | how can i force apt/dpkg to make a completely botched package go away? i tried dpkg -r --force-all and apt-get remove -f, neither worked |
| 22:07.34 | sylvanthis | mikes1, ok i ll get myself that one too, it's the only one who says "64", which i need |
| 22:07.47 | mikes1 | oh ok |
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| 22:08.06 | muhoo | ah, nevermind i figured it out |
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| 22:08.19 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: I installed gnome as well,,all has been solid |
| 22:08.20 | muhoo | rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-rt.prerm /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-rt.postinst |
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| 22:09.11 | sylvanthis | mikes1, default is X? or fluxbox? xfce? |
| 22:09.20 | mikes1 | kde |
| 22:09.26 | mikes1 | 3.5.5 |
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| 22:09.34 | sylvanthis | mikes1, oh even better :P im kde user |
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| 22:09.48 | jacekowski | WTF you made with firefox? |
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| 22:10.10 | sylvanthis | mikes1, thnx 4 your recommendations and help, i ll get some sleep now or i ll collapse |
| 22:10.12 | sylvanthis | bye |
| 22:10.29 | mikes1 | sylvanthis: take care |
| 22:10.49 | underfl0w | jacekowski: firefox = iceweasel |
| 22:11.08 | jacekowski | i know, but why? |
| 22:11.27 | Supaplex | mozilla bit**ed about our patches etc |
| 22:11.36 | Supaplex | !iceweasel |
| 22:11.37 | dpkg | [iceweasel] the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 22:11.45 | n3kl_ | I have an amd64 x2. Should I use the linux-image-k7? |
| 22:12.07 | thug | test.domain.com point to my router config page .. domain.com doesnt whats wrong ? do i need to add test.domain.com to etc/hosts too ? |
| 22:12.20 | thug | do i need to add the vhostname to /etc/hosts too ? |
| 22:12.20 | jacekowski | so i made my own firefox |
| 22:12.24 | jacekowski | make* |
| 22:12.40 | jacekowski | many independent forks |
| 22:12.41 | Gokee2 | gar gtk+-2.0 >= 2.0.0 I am gussing I need the -dev again |
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| 22:14.29 | mikes1 | jacekowski: You can d/load iceweasel from sid |
| 22:14.33 | YaleR | I'm using compiz with nvidia and xinerama, it's a known issue that this causes an error, a patch was posted, but it looks like it needs to be compiled -- and I wouldn't know what to replace either. Does anyone have experience with this? |
| 22:15.00 | abrotman | Gokee2: duh :) |
| 22:15.37 | Supaplex | YaleR: what's bts say? |
| 22:16.22 | YaleR | bts? |
| 22:16.29 | Supaplex | !btssmite YaleR |
| 22:16.41 | YaleR | ah... |
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| 22:17.08 | rahul | why do people always come in HERE to complain about bugs in compiz? |
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| 22:17.20 | jelly-home | rahul: it's in Debian? |
| 22:17.22 | PingFloyd | because they're idiots |
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| 22:17.36 | rahul | hell, I can bitch about all kinds of bugs then :P |
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| 22:17.42 | dvs | rahul: because compiz must be based on Debian. ;-) |
| 22:17.47 | rahul | haha |
| 22:17.53 | YaleR | I'm not complaining =D |
| 22:18.26 | abrotman | rahul: file bugs! |
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| 22:18.40 | rahul | and why would people use bleeding-edge unfinished software if they don't know how to at least compile it? |
| 22:18.50 | rahul | abrotman: I tend to file them upstream |
| 22:18.51 | jelly-home | eye candy, duh |
| 22:18.57 | rahul | arse candy. |
| 22:18.59 | YaleR | it's in testing =/ |
| 22:19.05 | abrotman | rahul: BTS! |
| 22:19.09 | blackelf | eye candy yuck |
| 22:19.11 | jelly-home | rahul: or was that a rhetorical q. |
| 22:19.15 | blackelf | we debian ppl are spartans |
| 22:19.19 | rahul | jelly-home: I don't know... |
| 22:19.24 | abrotman | we can't even afford vowels! |
| 22:19.38 | blackelf | old software, not user friendly, horrible lame beeping in terminal, 1990 style - Debian \o/ |
| 22:19.39 | rahul | jelly-home: I was hoping there would be a good answer, somehow |
| 22:19.47 | jelly-home | blackelf: Debian is from Mars, Ubuntu is from Venus |
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| 22:20.10 | abrotman | dvs: gonads and strife! |
| 22:20.13 | blackelf | jelly-home: no, debian is simple getting worse then ubuntu it thoes aspects |
| 22:20.24 | dvs | no thanks! |
| 22:20.27 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:20.32 | jelly-home | modem |
| 22:20.41 | Gokee2 | What is diffrent with the -dev? |
| 22:20.51 | dvs | no more horny squirrels for me! |
| 22:21.03 | streuner | oO our housetroll raf256 :-) |
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| 22:21.26 | blackelf | streuner: unfortunatelly, Im not trolling, thoes are facts |
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| 22:21.40 | rahul | heh |
| 22:21.49 | rahul | blackelf: what the hell are you smoking? |
| 22:22.03 | streuner | blackelf: free free to help to solve issues... |
| 22:22.05 | Guerin | blackelf: no. |
| 22:22.05 | rahul | (again) |
| 22:22.06 | Supaplex | rahul: I think it's called LSD |
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| 22:22.14 | rahul | bad trip, I guess |
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| 22:22.18 | Supaplex | yeh |
| 22:22.19 | rahul | 1960 style :P |
| 22:22.22 | Guerin | blackelf: `foo is worse' is not a `fact' |
| 22:22.26 | jelly-home | blackelf: anyway, how come you have two nicknames? I hardly ever remember you're the same person |
| 22:22.27 | PingFloyd | blackelf: there's a difference between making thing easy to manage and hand holding |
| 22:22.34 | blackelf | blackelf: some debian based distros seem to care more about end users then oryginal debian |
| 22:22.52 | rahul | jelly-home: looks like he gets confused, too |
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| 22:22.59 | jelly-home | ... at least until the 3D acceleration on i915 gets mentioned ;-) |
| 22:23.03 | Supaplex | every week there's a new debian like distro. gee wiz. |
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| 22:23.16 | mitanef | hola español? |
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| 22:23.20 | Supaplex | !es |
| 22:23.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:23.32 | jelly-home | Supaplex: Debian is teh new slackware. :-> |
| 22:23.37 | muhoo | ok, how can i save a track tha was highly edited? |
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| 22:23.46 | rahul | a track? |
| 22:23.49 | rahul | track of what? |
| 22:23.55 | muhoo | well, an edit list really |
| 22:23.56 | Supaplex | YaleR: if you don't find what you're after in bts, add something if you think it belongs. |
| 22:23.56 | sshock | Anyone know how to kill the sound after hitting ctrl-c in the middile of playmidi? |
| 22:24.07 | sshock | It gets stuck on the note and won't stop. |
| 22:24.07 | YaleR | Supaplex: okay.. thanks |
| 22:24.18 | rahul | sshock: play another midi file and quit cleanly |
| 22:24.26 | n3kl_ | If I wanted to run the k8 kernel, I would need to run the amd64 release, correct? |
| 22:24.30 | Gokee2 | YES configure worked! |
| 22:24.32 | abrotman | sshock: restart it .. and tell it to stop properly |
| 22:24.34 | sshock | rahul: that may work, but how do I "quit cleanly" |
| 22:24.36 | muhoo | i recorded a track. i highly edited it, split it into many different regions. now i want to save that set of regions, as a track, in case i want to use it again |
| 22:24.43 | Supaplex | YaleR: and be specific about all pieces of software so everyone can reproduce your problem. Then it can be isolated, and fixed in due time. |
| 22:24.47 | rahul | and then file a bug against playmidi because it doesn't have a good handler to clear up the device on ctrl-c |
| 22:24.52 | rahul | sshock: dunno, "q" maybe |
| 22:25.00 | jelly-home | muhoo: so save it in whatever app you used to edit it? |
| 22:25.02 | sshock | I tried pmidi, playmidi, and aplaymidi. Same problem. And I don't know how to quit except ctrl-c. |
| 22:25.04 | rahul | muhoo: why would we know? |
| 22:25.13 | muhoo | i edited it in ardour |
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| 22:25.28 | blackelf | jelly-home: you probably can setup a highlight in editor to keep that in memory, or show users hostnames |
| 22:25.31 | rahul | muhoo: and why would #debian be the place for help with some random app? |
| 22:25.32 | Gokee2 | I have compiled 5 things today, and now the program want starts :) |
| 22:25.40 | muhoo | wrong channel ;-) |
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| 22:25.45 | rahul | well, then |
| 22:25.47 | jelly-home | muhoo: sounds like a question for #ardour |
| 22:25.48 | PingFloyd | sshock: maybe read it's docs |
| 22:26.14 | blackelf | PingFloyd: I see no reason why debian people seem to have problem with adding handholding things if they are no problem for advanced users |
| 22:26.42 | blackelf | rahul: I dont smoke |
| 22:27.04 | Supaplex | blackelf: patches welcome. |
| 22:27.05 | blackelf | streuner: even getting rid of the lame 1990 style beeping was not accepted |
| 22:27.17 | blackelf | Supaplex: + bell-style none |
| 22:27.28 | rahul | the bell exists for a REASON |
| 22:27.29 | jelly-home | blackelf: pcspkr beeping? |
| 22:27.31 | rahul | wtf |
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| 22:27.53 | jelly-home | rahul: dude, pcspkr is very unuseful |
| 22:27.55 | blackelf | rahul: the reason is to piss off users which are too newbie to turn it off? |
| 22:27.58 | sshock | I'll try looking again, but I don't think there was anything about how to quit. |
| 22:28.02 | blackelf | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:28.26 | rahul | blackelf: they should stop causing errors. |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | i like the bell |
| 22:28.38 | blackelf | rahul: how pressing a tab is an error/ |
| 22:28.42 | jelly-home | rahul: I only enable it on my pc at home... at works other people in the room just hate the random beeps. It's a bad default. |
| 22:28.48 | Supaplex | blackelf: how do you plan to address the needs and wants of millions of linux users in that situation? PS, you're only ONE user, so answer wisely. |
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| 22:28.58 | rahul | jelly-home: shrug. windows has the same default. |
| 22:29.04 | rahul | and that's DESIGNED for offices. |
| 22:29.06 | blackelf | OH NOOES YOU PRESSED TAB! and there is more then 1 name mathching! SOUND THE ALARM! go to defcon1! TAKE COVER |
| 22:29.08 | Guerin | every OS has audio alerts |
| 22:29.11 | Guerin | it's HID 101 |
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| 22:29.17 | dvs | heh |
| 22:29.48 | jelly-home | main screen turn on |
| 22:30.32 | blackelf | rahul: no, windows do not use the freaking pcspeaker for default "bell" sound |
| 22:30.39 | blackelf | (as soon as sound card is present) |
| 22:30.44 | rahul | blackelf: so? |
| 22:30.53 | blackelf | user can turn off normal speakers |
| 22:30.59 | Guerin | blackelf: you're suggesting that *n?x use the SOUND CARD for alerts? |
| 22:31.00 | blackelf | he can not turn off pcspeaker |
| 22:31.01 | rahul | user can turn of pc speaker. |
| 22:31.07 | rahul | heh |
| 22:31.08 | pipeline | it's certainly not obvious hohw |
| 22:31.09 | blackelf | no they can't |
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| 22:31.15 | Guerin | they can so |
| 22:31.18 | pipeline | Guerin: err, it's not hard to make your terminal bell use the soundcard. |
| 22:31.18 | blackelf | they can not do it by hand |
| 22:31.24 | Supaplex | it's a teminal setting |
| 22:31.24 | abrotman | unplug the f'in speaker you hardware-impaired tard :) |
| 22:31.27 | rahul | blackelf: you're full of shit, in so many ways |
| 22:31.30 | Guerin | pipeline: sure, but why should it be the default? |
| 22:31.39 | pipeline | Guerin: Why not? |
| 22:31.46 | blackelf | rahul: stop the name calling idiot |
| 22:31.46 | pipeline | Guerin: Many people don't even have PC speakers :P |
| 22:31.55 | pipeline | blackelf: Stop beating your wife. |
| 22:31.55 | rahul | blackelf: I didn't call you a name. |
| 22:32.00 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:32.09 | rahul | blackelf: 1. you CAN turn off the pc speaker. |
| 22:32.13 | Supaplex | trollfest 2007! |
| 22:32.19 | abrotman | no .. it's just blackelf |
| 22:32.22 | Gokee2 | Ok is there a easy way to let a user access the usb port libusb and usbfs? |
| 22:32.29 | blackelf | abrotman: stop rambling |
| 22:32.40 | abrotman | me? |
| 22:32.44 | rahul | blackelf: 2. you're saying that REMOTELY logged-in users should cause beeps to come out of the machine they're logged into? |
| 22:32.47 | rahul | not logged in from? |
| 22:32.49 | humbolto | for wlan roaming, do I need all AccessPoints to have the same channel? |
| 22:32.54 | abrotman | rahul: use mpd! |
| 22:32.56 | blackelf | rahul: yes of course I can turn it off |
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| 22:33.07 | rahul | 17:31 < blackelf> they can not do it by hand |
| 22:33.10 | Guerin | humbolto: #wireless |
| 22:33.18 | rahul | thank you for retracting that statement. |
| 22:33.20 | blackelf | rahul: yes, by hand - as in press the button on the speaker |
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| 22:33.29 | rahul | blackelf: blame IBM. |
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| 22:33.36 | blackelf | rahul: I blame IBM. |
| 22:33.51 | jelly-home | blackelf: sent any patches? |
| 22:33.52 | rahul | but you don't NEED to press a button to turn it off |
| 22:33.58 | rahul | it's purely software-controlled. |
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| 22:34.21 | crn | how do id get alsamixer to save its settings? |
| 22:34.35 | blackelf | jelly-home: I wrote how to change it but devbel didnt agree it should be changed |
| 22:34.35 | crn | do i |
| 22:34.39 | Zarephath | crn: Are you doing it from command line? |
| 22:34.42 | rahul | crn: over reboot? it should by default. |
| 22:34.44 | crn | no |
| 22:34.46 | blackelf | crn: it should be by default |
| 22:34.55 | blackelf | crn: by hand something like alsa-controll soemthing |
| 22:35.02 | jelly-home | blackelf: bug #? |
| 22:35.18 | PingFloyd | crn alsactl store |
| 22:35.19 | dvs | alsactl store? |
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| 22:35.50 | raf256 | 405523 |
| 22:35.54 | raf256 | dvs: yes |
| 22:35.59 | jelly-home | blackelf: dunno, discuss it on debian-users and forward the gerenal consensus to the bug report |
| 22:36.00 | crn | blackelf, PingFloyd ok i'll try everything. |
| 22:36.02 | Supaplex | blackelf: what shell do you use? |
| 22:36.10 | blackelf | Supaplex: bash |
| 22:36.22 | jelly-home | bugs.debian.org/405523 |
| 22:36.27 | abrotman | not that one! |
| 22:36.31 | jelly-home | oops, sorry |
| 22:36.37 | n3kl_ | is there a way in sysctl or some other means to completely disable ipv6 ? |
| 22:36.40 | Zarephath | Hey folks...I have been googling for a good howto on how to install xfce4 as my wm. I am kinda new to debian...I know that apt-get will install it..but am unsure how to do it so that X and all the rest gets installed at the same time. I did a net install of etch WITHOUT installing the desktop option..so I suppose it is just the base install that I have right now..anyone point me to a page? |
| 22:36.41 | Supaplex | blackelf: .bash_profile :) fix it and forget it. |
| 22:36.46 | abrotman | why did blackelf just change nicks mid-conversation ? |
| 22:36.57 | blackelf | abrotman: where did I chane a nick |
| 22:37.05 | abrotman | who is raf256 ? |
| 22:37.06 | jelly-home | Supaplex: I agree with him in that usable defaults are useful |
| 22:37.11 | raf256 | abrotman: I changed a keyboard |
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| 22:37.20 | raf256 | abrotman: "your daddy"? |
| 22:37.23 | abrotman | idiot |
| 22:37.27 | rahul | wtf |
| 22:37.52 | rahul | he SHOULD start smoking whatever he's taking. it's too strong when he snorts it. |
| 22:38.01 | dvs | where's stoned? |
| 22:38.03 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:38.15 | blackelf | Supaplex: I did disabled it. But I think meany newbs can't |
| 22:38.16 | jelly-home | raf256 = blackelf, dude, please don't change the nick at will... makes following you even more painful |
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| 22:38.44 | blackelf | jelly-home: I had to go over to other box to search for the bug id you requested, I am terrible sorry |
| 22:38.55 | PAK-9 | if I want my soundcard to be supported under debian is "apt-get install libasound2 alsa-utils alsa-oss" all I need to do? |
| 22:38.56 | Supaplex | blackelf: oh isn't that too bad. if they can't ask for help, and they can't figure out how to find the help, who cares. |
| 22:39.19 | blackelf | Supaplex: first impression is importants. I think the 90's style beeping is a bad one |
| 22:39.20 | n3kl_ | Is there any way to completely disable ipv6? |
| 22:39.25 | rahul | blackelf: you probably think they can't disable the beep on windows, too |
| 22:39.33 | blackelf | n3kl_: search in /proc/net perhaps? |
| 22:39.42 | jelly-home | blackelf: also, a Subject like "Horrible lame BEEPing scares away all the new users!" is nice for slashot, but a bit too sensationalistic for a bug report ;-) |
| 22:39.47 | PingFloyd | blackelf: the thing of it is, if they don't like it based upon superficial elements, then who cares |
| 22:39.50 | Supaplex | blackelf: tell you what. create a new distro for it. *yawn* make us proud. |
| 22:39.56 | rahul | Supaplex: haha |
| 22:40.01 | rahul | nobeepbuntu |
| 22:40.07 | blackelf | rahul: the windows beep is less annoying 1) on less occasions 2) it is usually by normal speakers and there fore can be turned down or turned off |
| 22:40.11 | blackelf | rahul: heh |
| 22:40.23 | blackelf | STFUx |
| 22:40.34 | rahul | blackelf: actually, it's MORE annoying on MORE occasions |
| 22:40.35 | Supaplex | blackelf: that can be arranged. |
| 22:40.46 | PingFloyd | blackelf: if eye candy type stuff, and having someone make assumptions for them is what they want, then they'd be happier with a mac or windows |
| 22:40.47 | abrotman | windows makes a noise for everything .. which is annoying |
| 22:40.57 | blackelf | STFUx - fork of debian with no pcbeeper kernel driver :P |
| 22:40.57 | abrotman | "Balloon time! .. BOING!" |
| 22:41.20 | dvs | oh no... not boing again |
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| 22:41.57 | rahul | and if they turn off the external speakers, they won't be able to listen to music |
| 22:42.02 | blackelf | jelly-home: yes probably it was, at leaast the bug report itself put smile on few geek faces by the way :) |
| 22:42.22 | rahul | blackelf: no, we probably groaned. |
| 22:42.23 | blackelf | rahul: windows users use iPods and other lameass RDM stuff |
| 22:42.36 | rahul | wtf does that even mean? |
| 22:42.43 | abrotman | DRM he meant i think |
| 22:42.48 | crn | PingFloyd, dvs alsactl store works. I had a misconfigured setting that probably kept the settings from being saved automatically. |
| 22:42.57 | blackelf | danm typo |
| 22:42.58 | rahul | why would you use an ipod when you're on your computer? |
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| 22:43.10 | rahul | and what does DRM have to do with that? |
| 22:43.11 | abrotman | rahul: people do it |
| 22:43.14 | PingFloyd | crn: yeah, that could be |
| 22:43.29 | rahul | abrotman: I can see using it if you're on someone ELSE's computer, meh |
| 22:43.33 | jelly-home | blackelf: and you're wrong in "devel didnt agree it should be changed", he actually never expressed his opinion. |
| 22:43.37 | Supaplex | blackelf: http://www.bash.org/?5300 - now that's a typo. |
| 22:43.39 | abrotman | rahul: they're windows users :) |
| 22:43.43 | rahul | heh |
| 22:44.04 | blackelf | Supaplex: indeed ;) |
| 22:44.05 | jelly-home | blackelf: my bad. He really didn't agree, but he didn't oppose it either. |
| 22:44.08 | Mazingaro | please, what does group "voice" mean on debian? |
| 22:44.21 | rahul | group voice? |
| 22:44.27 | rahul | oh |
| 22:44.33 | blackelf | Mazingaro: can sue audio devices? |
| 22:44.44 | blackelf | erm... use. But in USA probably sue also |
| 22:44.46 | PingFloyd | Mazingaro: a group named voice |
| 22:44.56 | Mazingaro | blackelf: maybe for fax |
| 22:45.10 | abrotman | Mazingaro: possibly for festival |
| 22:45.13 | blackelf | probably things like access /dev/dsp |
| 22:45.19 | Mazingaro | abrotman: mmmmh |
| 22:45.20 | rahul | no |
| 22:45.26 | rahul | /dev/dsp is group audio |
| 22:45.30 | Supaplex | blackelf: bzzt. check the perms :) |
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| 22:45.49 | rahul | I can't see anything in /dev/that's owned by group voice |
| 22:45.57 | blackelf | hm |
| 22:45.59 | Supaplex | find / -gid 22 has no hits here. |
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| 22:46.08 | abrotman | rahul: festival might use it |
| 22:46.12 | Mazingaro | rahul: this is true, but my user is group "audio" and it cannot access "/dev/dsp" via festival :) |
| 22:46.15 | rahul | abrotman: most likely |
| 22:46.22 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: http://ftp.debian.org/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 22:46.32 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: thanks |
| 22:46.33 | abrotman | though festival is a screen reader i think |
| 22:46.36 | PingFloyd | Mazingaro: try adding him to voice |
| 22:46.39 | PingFloyd | :) |
| 22:46.49 | jelly-home | Mazingaro, others: voicemail |
| 22:46.52 | abrotman | oh well |
| 22:47.09 | rahul | Mazingaro: did you log out and back in? |
| 22:47.19 | Mazingaro | rahul: yes, no way |
| 22:47.32 | Mazingaro | rahul: but sound work with this user |
| 22:47.41 | PingFloyd | yes, no way? |
| 22:47.41 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: does "id -a" show you being in the sound group? |
| 22:47.45 | rahul | wha? |
| 22:47.50 | PingFloyd | huh? |
| 22:47.53 | Mazingaro | rahul: only festival whant use /dev/dsp |
| 22:48.06 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: user is in audio group |
| 22:48.07 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: sorry, not sound but audio |
| 22:48.23 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: ok. oss or alsa? |
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| 22:48.31 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: alsa |
| 22:48.43 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: wait |
| 22:48.47 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: now works |
| 22:48.49 | PingFloyd | Mazingaro: do you have alsa-oss set up |
| 22:48.57 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: great. :-) |
| 22:49.18 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: I did nothing to make it work... |
| 22:49.22 | Mazingaro | :) |
| 22:49.33 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: that's what you THINK |
| 22:49.39 | Mazingaro | festival> (SayText "ciao") |
| 22:49.39 | Mazingaro | linux2: can't open /dev/dsp |
| 22:49.46 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: alsa uses /dev/smd |
| 22:49.50 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: alsa uses /dev/snd/pcm* |
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| 22:49.54 | Mazingaro | festival> (SayText "ciao") |
| 22:49.54 | Mazingaro | #<Utterance 0xb7b2aa78> |
| 22:50.18 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: and? |
| 22:50.27 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: you'll have to either a) use alsa-oss' aoss wrapper, or b) load oss compat. modules |
| 22:50.38 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: to use an OSS app. |
| 22:50.49 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: is festival an oss app? |
| 22:50.59 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: if it tries to access /dev/dsp, yes |
| 22:51.15 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: ok |
| 22:51.22 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: try installing alsa-oss and running it like "aoss festival" |
| 22:51.50 | Mazingaro | festival> (SayText "ciao") |
| 22:51.50 | Mazingaro | Segmentation fault |
| 22:52.12 | Supaplex | time to install reportbug :) |
| 22:52.24 | Supaplex | unless it's already on bts... |
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| 22:52.34 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: so it's plan b then |
| 22:52.51 | jelly-home | not all apps can run with alsa-oss wrapper |
| 22:52.55 | Mazingaro | ok |
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| 22:53.17 | Mazingaro | festival it's a nasty piece of work |
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| 22:53.29 | Mazingaro | it recall me the old amiga say |
| 22:53.29 | jelly-home | opera does, that's good enough for me... also flash uses ALSA these days which is kinda nice |
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| 22:54.02 | nvz | I've never used flash and nice in the same sentance before |
| 22:54.04 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: install VICE and download SAM & RECITER for C64 ;-) |
| 22:54.20 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: I got vice too |
| 22:54.28 | dvs | white noise generator! yeah! |
| 22:54.30 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: what about festvox? |
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| 22:54.45 | PingFloyd | and be sure to type in every curse word you can think of, that's really what you want it for huh |
| 22:55.14 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: no idea, haven't messed much with festival. It doesn't have libraries for my language |
| 22:55.32 | Mazingaro | german? |
| 22:55.36 | jelly-home | Croatian |
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| 22:57.40 | sparr | upgrading my kernel from 2.6.17 to 2.6.20 resulted in my promise IDE RAID controller's drives showing up as scsi disks instead of ide disks. any tips on fixing that? |
| 22:58.10 | Mazingaro | is there 2.6.20? |
| 22:58.31 | nvz | nope people make this shit up for attention |
| 22:58.48 | Mazingaro | buahahah |
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| 22:59.12 | underfl0w | there is 2.6.20-rc6, last stable is 2.6.19.2 |
| 22:59.32 | Mazingaro | underfl0w: not in unstable repository |
| 22:59.57 | underfl0w | prepatch |
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| 23:00.07 | drako | !Kp |
| 23:00.07 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 23:00.08 | Rapperz | hello guys |
| 23:00.11 | underfl0w | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/patch-2.6.20-rc6.bz2 |
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| 23:00.43 | Rapperz | I'm a bit new to Linux, so I've a simple question. |
| 23:01.18 | Rapperz | Where can I modify startup scripts? I want sshd running when Linux is booted |
| 23:01.33 | jelly-home | Which virtualization technology should I use on a non-hardware capable P4 machine? I'm looking for something easy to install and don't need every bit of performance. |
| 23:01.33 | x-- | update-rc.d |
| 23:01.42 | x-- | Rapperz: update-rc.d |
| 23:02.14 | Rapperz | aaah thank you |
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| 23:02.22 | x-- | jelly-home: xen, qemu, vmware server |
| 23:02.43 | Rapperz | rc.d and than how to say sshd need to start? |
| 23:02.43 | x-- | !vm |
| 23:02.44 | dpkg | [vm] at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ |
| 23:03.15 | Rapperz | or do I need to uncomment a line or something? |
| 23:03.17 | x-- | make sure ssh server is installed |
| 23:03.18 | jelly-home | x--: vm is a mail reader for emacs :-P |
| 23:03.37 | x-- | ok, didn't know |
| 23:03.38 | x-- | =/ |
| 23:03.39 | Rapperz | yes it is started, only the problem is I've start it manually |
| 23:03.44 | dondelelcaro | Rapperz: if you've installed and enabled openssh-server, it's configured automatically. |
| 23:03.51 | dondelelcaro | s/configured/started/ |
| 23:04.07 | thug | debian apcahe configs file = spaghetti mess |
| 23:04.24 | x-- | update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 23:04.25 | dondelelcaro | thug: they actually make perfect sense if you understand what is being done. |
| 23:04.31 | dondelelcaro | no, don't run update-rc.d ssh. |
| 23:04.33 | thug | dondelelcaro i do |
| 23:04.36 | Rapperz | well, it's not, it is DSL version, because I've a very old PC. |
| 23:04.36 | x-- | Rapperz: update-rc.d ssh defaults |
| 23:04.44 | dondelelcaro | thug: so what's the problem? |
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| 23:04.53 | underfl0w | Rapperz: you can always try with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 23:05.16 | thug | dondelelcaro even people from #apache are saying there is a debian spaghetti mess |
| 23:05.24 | Mazingaro | any finnish girl there? |
| 23:05.34 | x-- | um |
| 23:05.42 | x-- | what's wrong using update-rc.d? |
| 23:05.54 | Rapperz | yeah what is wrong about that? |
| 23:05.56 | dondelelcaro | x--: because it's not needed, and starting it in the default position is the wrong place. |
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| 23:06.03 | thug | dondelelcaro i cannot add vhost because of the ports.conf or something ... main site and vhost its pointing to the same path |
| 23:06.10 | dondelelcaro | assuming you've installed ssh-server, update-rc.d has already been done. |
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| 23:06.33 | Rapperz | ssh-server was with the installation of DSL |
| 23:06.40 | jelly-home | thug: upstream doesn't have experience with anything but the default setup of config files... I find debian's setup to be quite usable. |
| 23:06.51 | x-- | the "default" reverts to the defaul defined levels i think |
| 23:07.09 | x-- | so i don't really see why it's nto appropiate =/ |
| 23:07.15 | thug | is there anyway to get the a new conf file from apache ? |
| 23:07.18 | x-- | what is DSL? |
| 23:07.25 | Supaplex | !dsl |
| 23:07.25 | dpkg | well, dsl is Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 23:07.29 | Rapperz | I haven't installed ssh server, it was already there after I installed it |
| 23:07.40 | dondelelcaro | thug: you can use a single configuration file if you want, but all you actually have to do is set NameVirtualHost * or whatever is appropriate for your setup. |
| 23:08.02 | thug | dondelelcaro i did mate ..... i tried everything |
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| 23:08.23 | dondelelcaro | thug: clearly not. Paste your configuration files and the error messages if you can't figure it out using a paste site. |
| 23:08.32 | Rapperz | on dsl nobody answers, it's a small group I guess and because DSL is based on Debian I than come here to ask |
| 23:08.55 | dondelelcaro | Rapperz: well, we can't really support DSL here, unfortunatly. You won't have this problem if you're running Debian. |
| 23:09.02 | blackelf | jelly-home: perhaps debian could use a tool to fastly confiugre it? and an "assistant" that would user friendly guide in first steps |
| 23:09.08 | jelly-home | thug: my setup is: each virtual host in its separate file under sites-available, and a NameVirtualHost * in the default one |
| 23:09.14 | underfl0w | Rapperz: you can try with dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 23:09.16 | HardDisk_WP | disconnecting... |
| 23:09.18 | jelly-home | blackelf: to configure what? |
| 23:09.32 | thug | dondelelcaro forum.tupacfan.org >>> http://pastebin.ca/330482 tupacfan.org >>> http://pastebin.ca/330483 |
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| 23:09.45 | Rapperz | yeah ok, but I've a very old machine, I installed Debian first as small as possible, but it had booting rpoblem with GRUB |
| 23:09.46 | thug | jelly-home same here |
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| 23:10.13 | jelly-home | thug: hm. Can you describe the symptoms again? |
| 23:10.25 | dondelelcaro | thug: first, get rid of the NameVirtualHost *:80 in typacfan.org. |
| 23:10.37 | dondelelcaro | thug: second, uncomment the NameVirtualHost * in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 23:10.41 | thug | dondelelcaro yeah just seen that now ... thanks a lot |
| 23:10.55 | blackelf | jelly-home: all the things you configure on freshly installed linux to have it suit yurself and its current environment |
| 23:10.57 | dondelelcaro | thug: then restart the server and give us the errors if there are any |
| 23:11.21 | Rapperz | and than I instaled DSL and it works great, I just wanted to know how to start ssh automatically after booting that's all |
| 23:11.31 | thug | dondelelcaro /etc/apache2/httpd.conf its empty |
| 23:11.40 | jelly-home | blackelf: the defaults are supposed to be good enough. |
| 23:11.56 | thug | dondelelcaro works i should add NameVirtualHost *:80 to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 23:11.57 | Rapperz | and I folloow x--'s advise, thank you x-- |
| 23:12.02 | humbolto | I know there is something called invers or reverse ARP, which allows me to get from a MAC to an IP |
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| 23:12.16 | Draconicus | My machine is being hideously slow and it always is like this. I can't figure out why, either. |
| 23:12.23 | Draconicus | I haven't used any java apps since I restarted X. |
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| 23:12.25 | humbolto | How can I execute an inverse arp request on a linux box? |
| 23:12.41 | Draconicus | All I'm running is gthumb, GAIM, X-Chat, and Firefox, along with the usual dual instances of Xfce and such. |
| 23:12.43 | jelly-home | blackelf: one can whip up a custom CD with preseeded debconf database, or even a tar.gz of the whole installed and configured system if multiple installations are required. |
| 23:12.45 | Draconicus | Not really dual instances. |
| 23:12.49 | Draconicus | Just double the desktops and panels. |
| 23:12.50 | dondelelcaro | thug: if you're using apache2 it's /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, which needs to be enabled. |
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| 23:13.15 | Rapperz | anyway thank you for your help guys |
| 23:13.24 | thug | yeah thanks ... |
| 23:13.48 | Draconicus | Somebody please make a suggestion that I haven't thought of... ._. |
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| 23:14.02 | dondelelcaro | thug: and next time, please be less combatitive. You'll end up being banned otherwise. |
| 23:14.09 | jelly-home | humbolto: you need to give a network device its IP via RARP? |
| 23:14.17 | blackelf | jelly-home: yes. I ment it for the people new to linux |
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| 23:14.22 | thug | dondelelcaro ok mate .. sorry about it |
| 23:14.22 | pipeline | humbolto: rarp. |
| 23:14.33 | blackelf | jelly-home: for the first-time config problem, not the problem of moving config between boxes |
| 23:14.35 | pipeline | humbolto: Unsurprisingly, the command to issue RARP requests is "rarp" :P |
| 23:14.38 | Rapperz | By the way, somehow I feel that Debian is the best Linux to work with |
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| 23:14.57 | underfl0w | !rarpd |
| 23:15.04 | jelly-home | blackelf: this is why defaults should be sensible enough. |
| 23:15.04 | Rapperz | And I'll do my best to promote Linux here in Holland and Morocco |
| 23:15.04 | dondelelcaro | Rapperz: well, we think so... |
| 23:15.05 | blackelf | Rapperz: I know debian, ubuntu, fedora, redhat; I prefer debian |
| 23:15.10 | Draconicus | AHG! |
| 23:15.16 | Draconicus | I found the culprit! |
| 23:15.17 | blackelf | jelly-home: and I belive console beeping is not sensible |
| 23:15.25 | blackelf | Draconicus: > |
| 23:15.26 | Rapperz | especially DEBIAN!! |
| 23:15.28 | blackelf | the what? |
| 23:15.29 | Draconicus | What is acg_faah_autodock? |
| 23:15.39 | Rapperz | ok, have nice evening |
| 23:15.42 | Rapperz | ciao |
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| 23:15.49 | Draconicus | It's been running for four hours and leaking like crazy, apparently. |
| 23:15.56 | jelly-home | blackelf: so provide a patch. |
| 23:16.00 | Draconicus | It's maxing out memory and CPU! |
| 23:16.13 | blackelf | Draconicus: who is |
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| 23:16.35 | marco_ | How do I make my home directory only accessible to me and root |
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| 23:16.37 | Draconicus | blackelf: acg_faah_autodock |
| 23:16.44 | dondelelcaro | !shell beep |
| 23:16.44 | dpkg | shell beep is probably man inputrc ; man readline (i.e. edit ~/.inputrc and set bell-style none) - also man setterm. |
| 23:16.45 | marco_ | as it is now other users can see my home directory and everything in it |
| 23:16.46 | blackelf | wtf is that |
| 23:16.49 | Draconicus | I don't know. |
| 23:16.52 | dondelelcaro | blackelf: see above. |
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| 23:17.10 | blackelf | dondelelcaro: ok, now write that in big letters in debian installer so every noob see it |
| 23:17.15 | humbolto | can I tunnel icmp through ssh somehow? |
| 23:17.23 | x-- | marco_: chmod 760 /home/mydirhere |
| 23:17.28 | dondelelcaro | blackelf: feel free to do it yourself |
| 23:17.29 | Roey | heya |
| 23:17.42 | marco_ | x--, as root or as my user? |
| 23:17.45 | x-- | marco_: also see: man chmod |
| 23:17.55 | x-- | marco_: root |
| 23:18.04 | humbolto | I would like to use fping on my machine here to find hosts in the network of a remote machine I can connect to via ssh. |
| 23:18.09 | Roey | #mythtv seems dead. I was wondering if anyone has used these foreign adaptors that strip a signal of HDMI encryption? |
| 23:18.11 | humbolto | how would I best do that? |
| 23:18.27 | dondelelcaro | (you probably also want to read about xset) |
| 23:18.27 | Draconicus | acg_faah_autodock_5.28_i686-pc-linux-gnu is the full process name. |
| 23:18.36 | humbolto | I can't install fping on that remote machine. It is a mac osx machine. |
| 23:18.44 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: if you take a look at his report http://bugs.debian.org/405523, there a number of users who agree with the beep being a bad default. That's why I suggest for him to provide a patch and make it as easy as possible for the maintainer to incorporate it into the release |
| 23:18.51 | Draconicus | err... wcg* |
| 23:19.47 | dondelelcaro | it's just the stupid console bell. If you don't like it, you disable it. |
| 23:19.48 | Draconicus | Every time I kill it, it comes back again! |
| 23:19.50 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: small touches like that make working with an OS a much more pleasurable experience |
| 23:19.52 | Draconicus | Even as root! |
| 23:19.55 | Draconicus | What the hell is this?! |
| 23:20.41 | Thms | what is better, nv, vesa or nvidia ? |
| 23:20.41 | PerfDave | Define "better" |
| 23:20.41 | dondelelcaro | Thms: nv if it does what you want it to do, the others if it doesn't. |
| 23:21.06 | Thms | dondelelcaro: when I scroll down on this page: http://www.keyven.fr/blog/index.php/2006/11/18/128-la-tele-c-est-dangereux with vesa and nv that is laggy |
| 23:21.09 | PerfDave | If you have an nVidia card, nv is probably the best Free driver. nvidia will give you better 3d performance at the expense of stability and Freedom (and possibly security). |
| 23:21.29 | sparr | i have 3 ide channels and 4 swap partitions. one swap is on its own channel. one shares a channel with /home. one shares a drive with /. and one shares a drive with /home. for maximum performance, should i stripe some/all of them? |
| 23:21.51 | Thms | PerfDave: when you scroll down in the page I gave is it laggy ? |
| 23:22.24 | PerfDave | Thms: No |
| 23:22.32 | Thms | PerfDave: what do you use ? |
| 23:23.06 | PerfDave | Thms: savage |
| 23:23.29 | Thms | PerfDave: with me it is laggy with iceweasel but not with opera :o |
| 23:23.43 | PerfDave | Thms: I'm using Konqueror. It may well be browser-specific behaviour. |
| 23:23.45 | sparr | firefox has some speed issues with REALLY complex css |
| 23:23.59 | jelly-home | sparr: stripe? kernel already writes to all the swap partitions by itself |
| 23:24.05 | Thms | okay sparr |
| 23:24.35 | sparr | jelly-home: yes, but it uses them in order of priority. by giving two drives the same priority it does what is essentially the same as RAID striping across them. |
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| 23:24.59 | jelly-home | sparr: x-actly |
| 23:25.40 | sparr | jelly-home: ive done this before in more straightforward situations, but this time ive got very unbalanced expected performance out of each partition so im not sure if the striping is worth it |
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| 23:25.44 | Zap-W | anyone know a tool for editing local.conf fontconfig? |
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| 23:26.05 | resistance | hi everyone, i'm trying to get sendmail out of my life on my debian server but it seems to be lurking in thier somewhere, is there how can i remove it for god |
| 23:26.14 | thug | isnt webmin available in any repos ? |
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| 23:26.28 | sparr | thug: if not, you can fix that :) |
| 23:26.32 | twobitsp2ite | so, I asked this the other day, but I don't remember if I got any responses... how often should one be rebooting a linux server? or should one worry about it at all unless necessary? |
| 23:26.32 | gravity | thug: No. The maintainer got tired of dealing with it, and no one else wanted to maintain it. |
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| 23:26.40 | thug | ok |
| 23:26.46 | thug | i get it from the main site |
| 23:27.01 | jelly-home | sparr: I'd let the kernel handle it, maybe ask lkml for suggestions and/or an explanation of the logic that chooses which swap space is used |
| 23:27.02 | PerfDave | thug: There's a reason nobody else wanted it... ;) |
| 23:27.03 | underfl0w | resistance: sudo dpkg --purge sendmail |
| 23:27.13 | thug | PerfDave what would be that ? |
| 23:27.20 | PerfDave | thug: It's a big pile of crap. |
| 23:27.48 | thug | PerfDave but it makes things easyer |
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| 23:28.06 | resistance | underfl0w: ingnoring request to remove sendmail which isn't installe |
| 23:28.07 | sparr | jelly-home: i already know the logic. thanks though. |
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| 23:29.13 | underfl0w | resistance: you installed sendmail via apt? |
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| 23:29.55 | resistance | underfl0w, i never installed it, i am using postfix, but when i shut down postfix, i can still telnet into my machine and it say Hello from sendmail |
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| 23:30.21 | twobitsp2ite | anyone have any suggestions on how often a linux server should be rebooted? |
| 23:30.35 | gravity | twobitsp2ite: When it has to be (i.e. for kernel updates) |
| 23:30.38 | k-man | is there a recent raid howto? |
| 23:30.43 | k-man | or similar document? |
| 23:30.48 | marco_ | twobitsp2ite, you shouldn't ever have to reboot it |
| 23:30.50 | k-man | i seem to recall seeing one someone, but i cant find it now |
| 23:30.52 | twobitsp2ite | gravity: it shouldn't be rebooted regularly? |
| 23:30.59 | gravity | twobitsp2ite: Why would you want to? |
| 23:31.03 | Mazingaro | twobitsp2ite: possibly never, it depends from your users :) |
| 23:31.06 | marco_ | twobitsp2ite, linux isn't windows |
| 23:31.09 | zinx | marco_: you have to reboot it for kernel updates, and you should update the kernel when security problems are fixed. |
| 23:31.14 | marco_ | zinx, true |
| 23:31.20 | twobitsp2ite | my co-workers (unix admins... at least self described :P) seem to think they need to reboot the linux servers once a week |
| 23:31.29 | zinx | twobitsp2ite: they're windows admins |
| 23:31.39 | gravity | twobitsp2ite: That's weird. Only for kernel updates is the dogma |
| 23:31.56 | zinx | i don't even reboot my home machine that much |
| 23:31.59 | twobitsp2ite | zinx: well... they're state employees... who knows if they even have any background, they just got shuffled into the unix admin team for whatever reason |
| 23:32.05 | gravity | I guess you can make sure a libc update is being used by all running apps too that way |
| 23:32.05 | jelly-home | sparr: I mean if you have pending i/o on a device, will kernel prefer a more idle one or not? |
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| 23:32.58 | resistance | hoe can i tell what is listening on port 25? |
| 23:33.12 | marco_ | gravity, and one really shouldn't update libc every week |
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| 23:33.17 | gravity | marco_: Yeah |
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| 23:33.22 | thug | i run dpkg -i webmin.deb and it didnt install it decause some depends now i dont want to install it anymore and i run apt-get install package and it desnt install anymore because of webmin depends .. how do i fix ? |
| 23:33.22 | robin_sz | netstat -tupan |
| 23:34.34 | jelly-home | thug: dpkg --purge remove webmin |
| 23:34.50 | thug | thanks |
| 23:35.07 | dooglus | rebooting is a good idea if you're worried about leaking memory I guess |
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| 23:35.25 | twobitsp2ite | hmm... if I have a symlink which itself is world writable, but the thing it's linked to isn't, who can write to it? |
| 23:35.29 | jelly-home | robin_sz: nice mnemonic for me, tupan means "dummy" or "moron" here ;-) |
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| 23:35.39 | dooglus | twobitsp2ite: symlinks don't have permissions |
| 23:35.49 | dooglus | twobitsp2ite: the only thing that matters is the permission of the target |
| 23:35.50 | twobitsp2ite | dooglus: but that only makes sense if you're worried about the kernel leaking, right? |
| 23:35.56 | twobitsp2ite | dooglus: ahh, thansk |
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| 23:36.09 | dooglus | twobitsp2ite: well, it's probably quicker to reboot than to stop and start all the apps individually. |
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| 23:37.16 | twobitsp2ite | hmm |
| 23:37.41 | dooglus | twobitsp2ite: it's quite possible that they just got into the rebooting habit from running windows |
| 23:37.57 | twobitsp2ite | well... they are running jsp and java-"servelets" so maybe memory leaks are an issue... |
| 23:38.11 | dooglus | twobitsp2ite: I know a guy who reboots his windows PC before and after using his internet banking - as if that's going to make him any safer! |
| 23:38.20 | twobitsp2ite | dooglus: lol |
| 23:38.35 | dooglus | he's really particular about it - but he will only use IE... |
| 23:38.46 | twobitsp2ite | dooglus: silly |
| 23:38.49 | PingFloyd | dooglus: then he's doomed to begin with :) |
| 23:38.58 | thug | how do i LoadModule php5 ? |
| 23:39.24 | jelly-home | thug: use a2enmod |
| 23:39.25 | dooglus | "but Microsoft are a big famous company - it stands to really that their software is going to be safer than that free rubbish you use" seems to be the attitude. |
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| 23:39.58 | jelly-home | dooglus: free != no cost |
| 23:40.11 | thug | jelly-home nice , thanks |
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| 23:40.32 | PingFloyd | dooglus: he must think they'll be accountable some how |
| 23:40.45 | thug | jelly-home do i need to add myself AddType application/x-httpd-php .php to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf ? |
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| 23:41.13 | crono- | if a process has a memory leak... i mean when... and the process is killed, would that nullify the leak as the dynamic memory belonged to the now-dead process? |
| 23:41.32 | jelly-home | thug: AddHandler is preferred... lemme check if it's already there |
| 23:41.45 | thug | ok |
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| 23:42.09 | jelly-home | thug: it is: /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf |
| 23:42.21 | robin_sz | jelly-home, heh ... I use upant sometimes ... I just remember pants :) |
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| 23:42.53 | jelly-home | thug: though it's not AddHandler... I haven't worked much with apache2 to be honest |
| 23:42.54 | thug | jelly-home so installing php5 with apache support and loading the module there is nothing else i need to do right |
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| 23:43.06 | jelly-home | thug: that should be the case, right |
| 23:43.32 | thug | jelly-home shouldnt /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf containd something like php5 too ? |
| 23:43.47 | thug | theres only php3 |
| 23:44.02 | jelly-home | thug: why, have you seen a app actually using the .php5 extension? |
| 23:44.24 | thug | ok ... but what about 4 ? |
| 23:44.41 | thug | ive seen guides saying to add php4 |
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| 23:44.58 | jelly-home | thug: I haven't really seen *.php4 either, only .php |
| 23:45.06 | drako | !Pk |
| 23:45.10 | jelly-home | thug: and that one is in there |
| 23:45.27 | thug | ok |
| 23:45.29 | thug | thanks |
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| 23:48.01 | eltornado | hello |
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| 23:48.25 | eltornado | can't rhear sound from mozilla firefox on youtube website |
| 23:48.30 | eltornado | anyone have an idea ? |
| 23:49.28 | pe3r | turn your volume up |
| 23:50.06 | eltornado | sorry but i use xmms and i can hear the music |
| 23:50.23 | eltornado | but not in youtube or any other website |
| 23:52.39 | jelly-home | eltornado: which version of flash? |
| 23:53.22 | eltornado | jelly-home, ver 9 |
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| 23:53.52 | jelly-home | eltornado: alsa? |
| 23:54.10 | eltornado | jelly-home, dunno i'm a linux beginner |
| 23:54.26 | phorce1 | away |
| 23:54.32 | eltornado | jelly-home, how can i look is i use alsa |
| 23:54.33 | phorce1 | oops -- sorry |
| 23:55.01 | jelly-home | eltornado: ok then. Try shutting down every other sound using app, firefox too, then restart firefox. |
| 23:55.11 | eltornado | ok |
| 23:55.41 | phorce1 | If I want syslogd to NOT handle the mail.log rotation do I have to disable its handling of ALL the log files it rotates and put them in my cron.daily for logrotate to handle? |
| 23:56.09 | eltornado | jelly-home, no change sounf off |
| 23:56.46 | phorce1 | I want special handling of the mail logs (keep logs longer) without changing the default for things like syslog |
| 23:56.53 | dooglus | crono-: yes. if you kill a leaking process, you get the memory back (assuming the process dies, and doesn't become a zombie) |
| 23:57.48 | crono- | thats what i hoped in that case ill never reboot again |
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| 23:58.47 | phorce1 | crono-: yes you will. You'd be surprised how often a leaky process becomes a zombie when you try to kill it. You stop the leak when it zombies but can't get back what it's already grabbed |
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| 23:58.54 | unseensoul | hi |
| 23:58.54 | dooglus | phorce1: see 'man logrotate' - you can specify different handling for mail logfiles |
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