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| 00:00.33 | phorce1 | dooglus: I was just wondering if the two will fight each other so that I have to wait a week to see if it's doing what I want. It seems the default handling in syslogd-listfiles might end up rotating them again right after logrotate if they're both trying to do it. |
| 00:01.09 | phorce1 | dooglus: I know how to set up logratate entries in cron.daily |
| 00:01.38 | phorce1 | s/logratate/logrotate |
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| 00:02.31 | jelly-home | eltornado: hmm, start by checking which output plugin is used in xmms |
| 00:02.57 | eltornado | jelly-home, ok |
| 00:03.36 | eltornado | jelly-home, it's OSS |
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| 00:03.39 | dooglus | phorce1: does syslog rotate its own logs? I thought logrotate did that. |
| 00:03.52 | jelly-home | eltornado: does it work if you switch to alsa? |
| 00:03.53 | phorce1 | dooglus: I thumped a spamming customer with a "being a pain in my a$$" charge and forgot to save the logs of his activity right before I left for a 10 day vacation. Luckily the idiot used our webmail server to shove his spam out the door and I have all of his "sent items" and "deleted" |
| 00:04.22 | eltornado | jelly-home, i have no alsa on my choice list |
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| 00:04.51 | jelly-home | eltornado: eh. Ok, does lsmod | grep snd- show anything? |
| 00:04.52 | phorce1 | dooglus: type this '/usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles' |
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| 00:05.15 | phorce1 | that will show you a list of the log files that syslogd itself rotates daily |
| 00:05.23 | eltornado | jelly-home, no |
| 00:05.23 | jelly-home | eltornado: sorry, lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 00:05.52 | Niosop | Hello, I was going to use aptitude to install something, but when I pressed 'g' to view what it would install, there's a ton of things it wants to install/uninstall/upgrade, etc. How can I clear all the pending actions? |
| 00:05.54 | phorce1 | dooglus: '/usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles --weekly' will show (I think you can figure that one out) |
| 00:05.55 | eltornado | jelly-home, no |
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| 00:06.38 | jelly-home | eltornado: then you're using oss. I'm not sure if the new flash plugin can work with that... and I definitely don't know how to change it |
| 00:06.42 | lvalue | can somebody explain to me why do i need the tetex packages to install mediawiki?? http://rafb.net/p/hApEqq77.html |
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| 00:07.11 | eltornado | jelly-home, ok thx man |
| 00:07.20 | nethenson | hello |
| 00:08.28 | dooglus | phorce1: see /etc/syslog.conf - that lists all the files which syslog manages |
| 00:08.45 | nethenson | from ( http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=checkinstall ): Why is package checkinstall not in testing yet? checkinstall is in freeze. |
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| 00:08.54 | nethenson | what does 'in freeze' mean? |
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| 00:09.58 | dvs | ew |
| 00:10.00 | Niosop | How do you tell aptitude to forget all it's pending actions? |
| 00:10.33 | sparr | I have a new motherboard with onboard sound, intel hda realtek acl883. "music apps" play audio of all sorts just fine, but "games" have static in the audio. what might cause that? |
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| 00:12.41 | markit | hi, was looking at /etc/updatedb.conf, and found a strange setting: PRUNEPATHS="/tmp /usr/tmp /var/tmp /afs /amd /alex /var/spool /sfs /media" wondering if "/alex" is really widespread dir filename |
| 00:12.47 | markit | (debian sid) |
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| 00:13.18 | blondie | only if you're leet enough to be called alex :D |
| 00:13.46 | phorce1 | dooglus: right, I still want syslogd to manage putting information into the files based on facility. But I want it NOT do the rotation on some of them that it writes to. |
| 00:13.47 | jelly-home | sounds like some old and rare filesystem |
| 00:13.55 | slept | are pearl expressions the same as their regular expessions equivalent , eg for renameing ? |
| 00:14.10 | phorce1 | dooglus: there are no "rotation" directives in syslog.conf |
| 00:14.13 | blondie | do you mean perl? |
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| 00:14.27 | markit | jelly-home: a rare filesystem, or just something the developer / manteiner has on his HDU? |
| 00:14.42 | dooglus | phorce1: no, but syslogd-listfiles consults syslog.conf to decide which files to rotate |
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| 00:15.18 | jelly-home | marco_: I give more credit to maintainers of base packages. |
| 00:15.27 | jelly-home | err, markit ^^ |
| 00:15.28 | phorce1 | dooglus: and if I remove the mail*.log files from syslog it will no longer write to those files at all |
| 00:15.31 | dooglus | slept: Perl regular expressions are a bit different than other types of regular expressions, but not massively so |
| 00:16.08 | dooglus | phorce1: yes, that's right. I think you'll need to edit syslogd-listfiles to stop it touching the mail files |
| 00:16.09 | slept | dooglus, will /WHATEVER/lg change to lower case globally ? |
| 00:16.19 | slept | in perl |
| 00:16.38 | phorce1 | dooglus: Oh, waitaminit. I can just create a separate copy of syslog.conf (say .. syslogrotate.conf) with the mail*.log files chopped out and use the -f switch in syslogd-rotate to read that for rotation purposes |
| 00:16.38 | jelly-home | markit: probably something in the same vein as /afs or /sfs ... I've even used that last one at one time |
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| 00:17.13 | phorce1 | dooglus: there is no config file for syslogd-listfiles, it uses syslog.conf by default |
| 00:17.49 | phorce1 | dooglus: AHH! crap -- missed another switch too |
| 00:18.06 | dooglus | slept: I don't think so, no |
| 00:18.42 | slept | shit, would have been too easy... well, google here i come , thanks anyway |
| 00:18.53 | phorce1 | dooglus: there is a -s switch to note files that "must NOT be listed" I missed the word "NOT" on the first read. This has been a bad brain freeze day working with spamassassin and amavis too long |
| 00:18.56 | jelly-home | markit: see /usr/share/doc/findutils/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 00:18.58 | dooglus | phorce1: how about using the "-s pattern skip files matching pattern" flag to syslogd-listfiles ? |
| 00:19.47 | phorce1 | dooglus: Spotted it just now |
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| 00:20.04 | archpollux | hi |
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| 00:20.50 | archpollux | does anyone know why fglrx-driver conflicts with nvidia-glx? i have an AGP nvidia video card and a PCI ati one, i want to use them both |
| 00:20.57 | dooglus | phorce1: how does syslogd-listfiles get run? which crontab runs it? |
| 00:21.12 | phorce1 | dooglus: yep, '/usr/sbin/syslogd-listfiles -s mail*.*' works for the listing |
| 00:22.32 | phorce1 | dooglus: it's in the sysklogd entry in /etc/cron.[daily, weekly, monthly] |
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| 00:23.01 | dvs | archpollux: I don't think the fglrx driver works with anything below a Radeon 9600 |
| 00:23.10 | phorce1 | dooglus: make that [daily, weekly] and NOT monthly |
| 00:23.48 | thug | ls there no libapache2-mod-security available in etch ? |
| 00:23.59 | thug | or im searching for the wrong package ? |
| 00:24.48 | archpollux | dvs: hmm, what about a radeon 9250? |
| 00:24.53 | markit | jelly-home: you mean, alex is Andreas Metzler probably? :) |
| 00:25.04 | dvs | archpollux: uhhh... that's below 9600 |
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| 00:25.15 | dooglus | slept: matching a regular expression with /REGEXP/ will never change the matched string. |
| 00:25.31 | archpollux | dvs: i know, i meant what driver do i need for that? |
| 00:25.43 | dvs | archpollux: radeon should be fine. |
| 00:25.59 | dvs | fully supported too |
| 00:26.04 | archpollux | dvs: thanks man! |
| 00:26.09 | dvs | no prob |
| 00:26.15 | archpollux | dvs: is that the open source one? |
| 00:26.18 | dvs | yes |
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| 00:26.39 | archpollux | dvs: cool. does tv out work with it? |
| 00:26.52 | dvs | archpollux: I don't know about that |
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| 00:27.06 | threat2 | I want to encrypt a hard disk drive, is cryptoloop or dm crypt a better approach? if so, what are the advantages? |
| 00:27.08 | phorce1 | So, my logging question is answered via the usual method. Needed a place to bounce questions that I keep answering myself after some 'why this' and 'how that' prompting from others. Thanks dooglus |
| 00:27.09 | archpollux | dvs: ok, thanks anyway, i guess i'll have to see by myself :) |
| 00:27.10 | shafire | how can i start in a background a screen session with a command? |
| 00:27.16 | shafire | how can i start in the background a screen session with a command? |
| 00:28.02 | leiar | Anybody with wine-experience? |
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| 00:28.38 | slept | dooglus, oh no i wa about to use rename, and the solution was tr/A-Z/a-z/ but thanks , this was just a more general question because i am not familiar with perl but i learned some sed stuff and i wasn't sure if i can reuse it or if i would have to learn new things ... |
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| 00:28.48 | dooglus | phorce1: no worries. glad I could help you answer your own question! |
| 00:29.18 | dooglus | slept: $x = "\L$x" will make it lowercase, too. or you can use $x = lc $x too |
| 00:29.18 | leiar | Anyone with wine-experience? |
| 00:29.24 | threat2 | shafire: screen -S your command |
| 00:29.28 | shafire | thanks |
| 00:29.44 | shafire | i am using apt-get are there tools that looks at all packages that has no depends will deleted? |
| 00:29.45 | threat2 | shafire: however when your command finishes the screen will terminate itself and you wont beable to see the output |
| 00:30.05 | dooglus | leiar: I've enough wine experience to know that if I want to run a Windows program, I boot Windows... |
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| 00:30.10 | slept | dooglus, thanks |
| 00:30.21 | phorce1 | dooglus: It's what usually happens in here. I get brain dead working on something else and forget which questions to ask of myself when I have to switch gears. I've been reading/comparing spamassassin headers in spam and good-mail all day when this came up |
| 00:30.42 | dooglus | good-mail? wossat? |
| 00:30.59 | threat2 | shafire: the best way is to type in screen -S nameofscreen, run your comand, press CTRL+A+D to detach from the screen, then screen -r nameofscreen to attach back to it |
| 00:31.09 | phorce1 | dooglus: non-spam |
| 00:31.23 | shafire | threat2, but i want to start it every reboot |
| 00:31.25 | dooglus | ooh, I see. "ham" |
| 00:31.36 | shafire | its python script.py |
| 00:31.38 | threat2 | shafire: why? |
| 00:31.52 | threat2 | shafire: just get it to email you the output |
| 00:31.54 | phorce1 | dooglus: working on raising scores in spamassassin for rules that none of the non-spam is hitting but some of the spam does hit |
| 00:32.06 | threat2 | shafire: you don't need to run it in a screen |
| 00:32.13 | shafire | mhm |
| 00:32.14 | shafire | ok |
| 00:32.16 | leiar | I run 100 thin clients at a school. I've got one edu-pogramme which the teachers really want to use. To get them quiet, I'd love to get this programme working.. |
| 00:32.24 | shafire | how can i remove a package with all its depends? |
| 00:32.27 | threat2 | shafire: what are you trying to do anyway? what does your script do ? |
| 00:32.31 | dooglus | phorce1: I've found the most effective thing to do with spamassassin is tell it a few good blacklists to use |
| 00:32.37 | threat2 | shafire: why do you think you need to run it in a screen for? |
| 00:32.38 | shafire | threat2, start a scgi wsgi server |
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| 00:32.50 | threat2 | shafire: a what? |
| 00:32.53 | shafire | threat2, because it blocks my console |
| 00:33.01 | shafire | scgi wsgi server |
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| 00:33.05 | phorce1 | dooglus: no, ham is non-spam that gets flagged as spam and has to be moved back to a non-spam mailbox. I'm using only mail that was never flagged as spam in the first place but DID hit some of the rules |
| 00:33.11 | threat2 | shafire: run it in the background then |
| 00:33.15 | shafire | how? |
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| 00:33.26 | shafire | python colubrid.fcgi -B |
| 00:33.26 | shafire | 2007-01-28 01:34:50 : WSGIServer starting up |
| 00:33.29 | shafire | blocks my console |
| 00:33.30 | threat2 | shafire: yourscriptname.py > /dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 00:33.34 | shafire | impossible |
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| 00:33.43 | dooglus | phorce1: I think 'ham' just means 'non spam'. non-spam that is flagged as spam is still ham... |
| 00:33.48 | threat2 | shafire: that will run it in the background sending output and error messages to /dev/null |
| 00:33.58 | shafire | cool thx |
| 00:33.58 | phorce1 | dooglus: actually, since I don't use bayes 'ham' is just a term I've never used |
| 00:34.00 | threat2 | shafire: you can change dev null to a file if you want to log the output |
| 00:34.07 | shafire | cool thanks |
| 00:34.09 | agent | i have a usb stick that has is recognized as two seperate drives, one having a normal rw partition yet the second is a small drive with a read-only partition, in fact, it is not listed in fdisk but i can mount it r-only and see files in it - how do i destroy this second drive? is it possible? |
| 00:34.20 | phorce1 | dooglus: it's usually applied when training bayes |
| 00:34.57 | jelly-home | markit: :-P |
| 00:34.58 | threat2 | shafire: I mean you still can run it in a screen if you like, but do you really need to detach backto the screen? or the reason why you wanted to screen it was because it just blocked the console? |
| 00:35.14 | threat2 | attach backto the screen even |
| 00:35.16 | threat2 | samn typos |
| 00:35.17 | threat2 | damn |
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| 00:35.28 | phorce1 | agent: what you have is one of the new --- uhhh, can't recall the term -- I think its "U3" sticks |
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| 00:36.07 | threat2 | phorce1: U3? |
| 00:36.14 | shafire | how to kill it threat2 ? |
| 00:36.34 | shafire | threat2, yes because it blocked my console |
| 00:36.35 | threat2 | shafire: use ps aux to find its PID number, then type in kill PID |
| 00:36.37 | adioe3 | Does anybody know a good mailing lists manager other than mailman? |
| 00:36.43 | phorce1 | agent: You can lod software on them and that second partition acts as a boot drive for windows machines. Plug the stick in and it runs everything just like you stuck in a CD with autorun |
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| 00:36.52 | threat2 | shafire: then use the & method I told you, not screen |
| 00:37.00 | shafire | python colubrid.fcgi > /dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 00:37.02 | shafire | this? |
| 00:37.04 | phorce1 | threat2: lemme look it up I'm not sure because I've only seen one |
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| 00:37.36 | threat2 | phorce1: ps aux | grep colubrid.fcgi |
| 00:37.36 | phorce1 | yep, U3 -- http://www.u3.com/ |
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| 00:37.47 | dooglus | adioe3: pommo is allegedly very good |
| 00:37.52 | shafire | okay thanks |
| 00:37.56 | threat2 | np |
| 00:38.02 | shafire | thanks threat2 |
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| 00:38.07 | shafire | mhm other problem :) |
| 00:38.11 | adioe3 | dooglus, got a link? |
| 00:38.36 | shafire | how can i remove a package with all dependes if it depends not on other packages without using aptitude? |
| 00:38.42 | dooglus | adioe3: http://pommo.org/Main_Page |
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| 00:38.50 | adioe3 | k. thanks very much |
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| 00:39.09 | karsten | shafire: ... or 'ps aux | awk '$NF = "<commandname>" {print $2}' | xargs kill |
| 00:39.18 | jello | sb clear |
| 00:39.28 | jello | a |
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| 00:40.02 | dooglus | adioe3: list of features here: http://pommo.org/Features |
| 00:40.06 | karsten | leiar: ... got an answer yet? |
| 00:40.06 | shafire | thanks karsten |
| 00:40.19 | adioe3 | dooglus, I'm checking it out. seems fancy :) |
| 00:40.21 | agent | phorce1: so is there a way i can destroy that hidden drive? i do not want some closed source who-knows-what running and plugged into sensitive information |
| 00:40.36 | phorce1 | threat2: agent: with specially written software it can run and keep log files and other info directly from the USB stick. My co-worker has one that he keeps a copy of putty with configs for several of our servers and his copy of Trillian IM and all it's logs on. Walk up to a Winblows box, plug in the stick, and Trillian fires up. |
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| 00:41.02 | adioe3 | dooglus, did you try mlmmj? |
| 00:41.04 | phorce1 | agent: Once again, no idea. I'm the same way as you so I won't buy one |
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| 00:42.06 | leiar | karsten: no, seems you are norw, from your name. I'm trying to install Drillpro, I very meuch used programme in norw schools.... |
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| 00:42.17 | karsten | leiar: Nope WRT first. |
| 00:42.26 | shafire | how can i remove a package with all dependes if it depends not on other packages without using aptitude? |
| 00:42.28 | karsten | leiar: Not familiar at all with it. Windows? Linux? What? |
| 00:42.37 | karsten | shafire: Carefully. |
| 00:42.56 | leiar | karsten: It's a windows programme I want to get running in linux.. |
| 00:43.02 | agent | phorce1: thank you for your help... i bought two for a very low price and the box never said that it had a hidden drive or anything of that sorts, it just said that it came with software on a cd (which it did) :( |
| 00:43.02 | shafire | karsten, yes... :( |
| 00:43.02 | leiar | with wine |
| 00:43.17 | phorce1 | agent: See if you can find a Windows user who will trade you a non U3 unit for yours |
| 00:43.24 | karsten | leiar: Basic options: wine, rdesktop, or emulation (Xen, VMWare). |
| 00:43.53 | sparr | I have a new motherboard with onboard sound, intel hda realtek acl883. "music apps" play audio of all sorts just fine, but most "games" have static in the audio(cube, neverball, lincity-ng, savage do. enigma, egoboo dont). what might cause that? it doesnt seem cpu related, egoboo uses much more than lincity. |
| 00:44.06 | phorce1 | agent: I think they normally cost a bit more than the non U3 units so it shouldn't be hard |
| 00:44.06 | threat2 | shafire: use apt-get ? |
| 00:44.07 | karsten | shafire: You can find deps through listing packages, or with IIRC a dpkg-ish awk/grep tool. |
| 00:44.07 | agent | phorce1: im going to take it back and get a refund (bought it at a non-online store) |
| 00:44.19 | thug | cron: can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 5424: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 00:44.27 | shafire | karsten, do you know a tool? |
| 00:44.29 | shafire | good tool? |
| 00:44.30 | thug | i try Set up cron job for awstats |
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| 00:44.39 | agent | phorce1: well, i did wipe the other partition that had software so it will be useless for a windows user i take it :) |
| 00:44.42 | karsten | shafire: Or you can just nuke the package, run deborphan, see what's orphaned (libs installed w/ no packages depending on them) and remove those. |
| 00:44.45 | jelly-home | sparr: does it use snd-hda-intel driver? |
| 00:44.49 | phorce1 | agent: I actually just use SD cards and a pen-sized reader because I can use the cards in my digital SLR as well |
| 00:44.50 | agent | phorce1: plus i do not know any windows users :D |
| 00:44.53 | karsten | shafire: ... that's pretty much what I know off the top of my head. |
| 00:45.01 | shafire | karsten, but deborphan is only looking at libs? |
| 00:45.04 | shafire | or all packages? |
| 00:45.09 | karsten | shafire: dpkg-query is one of the tools. |
| 00:45.14 | karsten | shafire: ... I don't use it much. |
| 00:45.24 | karsten | shafire: WRT deborphan: RTFM. I don't recall. |
| 00:45.25 | agent | vrms: the deborphan of freedom ;) |
| 00:45.27 | karsten | !deborphan |
| 00:45.27 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 00:45.35 | phorce1 | agent: The software can be reinstalled using a Winbox |
| 00:45.36 | thug | i try Set up cron job for awstats cron: >>> can't lock /var/run/crond.pid, otherpid may be 5424: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 00:45.52 | sparr | jello: yes |
| 00:45.57 | sparr | jelly-home: yes |
| 00:46.13 | shafire | karsten, but i want to remove other packages too |
| 00:46.22 | karsten | thug: Find and kill the offending process. |
| 00:46.27 | karsten | shafire: Um. Then do it. |
| 00:46.28 | agent | phorce1: i see, but in truth its too much of a hasstle... im going to ask for a refund instead - luckly i only opened one up (the second one was for someone else) |
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| 00:46.57 | jelly-home | sparr: try loading the module with different position_fix=X parameters (0, 1, 2, 3) |
| 00:47.16 | shafire | karsten, but i don't know the names of it |
| 00:47.24 | phorce1 | agent: I can carry 6 Sd cards and the reader in the same space as two normal pen drives |
| 00:47.32 | jelly-home | sparr: position_fix=2 removed jittering on my laptop |
| 00:47.39 | thug | karsten did .. cron awstat doesnt let me insert anything into the cron job any idea ? |
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| 00:48.41 | karsten | thug: Nope. |
| 00:49.03 | agent | phorce1: nice! i did not know readers were that small... and isnt an sd card thinner, but much wider than a normal usb thumb drive? |
| 00:49.40 | phorce1 | random question for the day -- anyone have a source for a complete set of old Sun AXMP+ user/troubleshooting guides? I have a quad processor monster that powers up but will not POST |
| 00:50.14 | phorce1 | agent: yes -- the card plugs into the SIDE of a reader that is about the same size as a single usb thumb drive |
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| 00:51.36 | agent | phorce1: neat.... in a similar vein, i have a usb->ide converter.... really nice for those old hard drives! quick backup solution |
| 00:51.40 | dooglus | adioe3: I've only got one person on my mailing list, so I administer it by hand... :) |
| 00:51.41 | phorce1 | agent: you can probably find a better price but -- http://www.shop.com/op/~SanDisk_Mobile_Mate_SD+_5_in_1_Reader_SDDR_103_A10M_SDDR103A10M-prod-37087233-49545684?sourceid=298 |
| 00:51.52 | sparr | is there any way to recursively rmmod? so i dont have to manually remove dependent modules |
| 00:52.04 | dvs | sparr: modprobe -r |
| 00:52.19 | dooglus | adioe3: I noticed pommo being mentioned on slashdot a few days ago - hadn't heard of it before. |
| 00:52.23 | agent | phorce1: i found on google a thread that talks about removing this u3 garbage, but it requires windows o_O |
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| 00:52.59 | phorce1 | agent: I have a couple of those with power supplies. Very neat with a laptop 2.5" drive as no power is needed. I have an external 60Gig drive set up like that |
| 00:53.05 | drako | where I can remove a driver that is being loaded every boot, is a wireless module, bcm43xx |
| 00:53.10 | agent | phorce1: that sandisk is pretty small :) |
| 00:53.28 | adioe3 | dooglus, I'm basically looking for something to sort my archives so that I can have different previews but so far nothing seems intuitive enough. Mostly mainman copies and a few lousy ideas. Maybe I should write something myself? |
| 00:53.56 | sparr | jelly-home: should i be able to rmmod snd_hda_intel? its in use, but i cant fathom by what |
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| 00:54.09 | agent | phorce1: i like it a lot especially since my main computer is an ultra portable without any cd/dvd drive (although i do have a portable, usb-powered cdrw) |
| 00:54.22 | jelly-home | sparr: you'll have to stop any processes using it, first |
| 00:54.29 | agent | phorce1: so i just use usb for everything :D |
| 00:54.32 | sparr | jelly-home: nothing is playing sound, and ive killed artsd |
| 00:54.34 | jelly-home | sparr: as root, lsof -n |grep /dev/snd |
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| 00:55.13 | agent | phorce1: and that is a good tip: i did not think of laptop drives not needing extra power |
| 00:55.14 | threat2 | agent: I like ultra portable, what brand and model to you have? I am after an ultra portable lappy. |
| 00:55.26 | sparr | jelly-home: aha, kmix! |
| 00:55.30 | agent | threat2: thinkpad x series |
| 00:56.50 | threat2 | agent: thinkpad ay, it doesn't have one of those dildo mouse sticks stuck between three keys does it? |
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| 00:56.51 | jelly-home | threat2: sure it does :-) |
| 00:56.51 | agent | threat2: i would not buy anything else.... would rather get a used thinkpad than a new xyz laptop for the same price... for not only linux compatibility and solid build, but also because parts for them are everywhere and pretty good prices, plus they have manuals and even videos showing you how to take them apart :) |
| 00:56.52 | dooglus | adioe3: I'm not with you. you have a bunch of email, and you want to sort it - into folders? or what? and what do you mean about previews? |
| 00:56.52 | threat2 | agent: heh |
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| 00:57.08 | phorce1 | agent: Still thinking I might want a powered USB hub though. When traveling with the laptop I frequently have a USB mouse, external drive, GPS receiver, and other things plugged in. Worried that I'm going to toast the USB power bus one day. |
| 00:57.15 | deb_noob | does anyone think with the release of vista this tuesday there will be a release of a 64bit flash plugin? |
| 00:57.21 | threat2 | agent: I didn't know that, thank you :) |
| 00:57.44 | threat2 | agent: does it at least have a touch pad? or just the stick thing? |
| 00:57.57 | agent | threat2: thinkpoint is awesome one you get used to it btw... and the nickname for that is the "nipple" ;) it really is much much more efficient than a mouse or touchpad |
| 00:58.00 | krazykit | deb_noob, not likely. flash sucks. |
| 00:58.07 | agent | threat2: no touchpad :) |
| 00:58.09 | adioe3 | dooglus, I need a web interface to preview that mail sorted by months, years, posters, blah blah blah. And an easy way to search the archive. |
| 00:58.11 | threat2 | agent: ok |
| 00:58.18 | deb_noob | can the 32bit flash plugin work on x86_64? |
| 00:58.26 | jelly-home | threat2: the clit, er, nipple, er, _trackpoint_ was one of major points for me choosing a Thinkpad. |
| 00:58.29 | agent | threat2: there would be no room for one - it has a really good sized keyboard |
| 00:58.35 | threat2 | jelly-home: ok :) |
| 00:58.47 | threat2 | agent: I am interested, how much do they go for? |
| 00:59.01 | sparr | jelly-home: no luck with position-fix, tried all 4 values |
| 00:59.05 | phorce1 | adioe3: if you have all the mail in an mbox file then look at installing/using lurker |
| 00:59.09 | sparr | err, position_fix :) |
| 00:59.15 | phorce1 | adioe3: apt-cache search lurker |
| 00:59.24 | jelly-home | sparr: dunno then, ask in #alsa maybe |
| 00:59.26 | agent | phorce1: that's a lot you carry with a laptop. i just carry the laptop in an ultraportable case (snug fits the laptop with 3 small pockets) |
| 00:59.26 | adioe3 | phorce1, debian lists use lurker, right? |
| 00:59.52 | phorce1 | adioe3: I have no idea -- been a while since I looked at the archives |
| 01:00.00 | agent | threat2: it all depends which one you want.... a brand new one is probably $1,300+ |
| 01:00.07 | threat2 | agent: my compaq presario 800 has died up the ass, the keyboard is gone and they are no longer supported by compaq (I cant get any parts), it is a 2000 model. |
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| 01:00.22 | threat2 | they = there |
| 01:00.22 | agent | threat2: i carefully bought mine used :) |
| 01:00.33 | threat2 | agent: same |
| 01:00.35 | phorce1 | agent: I use it as my gps (17" screen easy to see) when driving and to watch downloaded shows when parked if I have nothing elase to do. |
| 01:00.40 | threat2 | agent: well not carefully obviously |
| 01:01.02 | agent | threat2: see, if you had a thinkpad you could buy a keyboard for $30-40 and replace it yourself.... they even mark the screws you need to unscrew :) |
| 01:01.04 | threat2 | agent: how is the battery life? |
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| 01:01.44 | phorce1 | agent: I'm a Volkswagen collector/nut and I drive 3000+ (U.S.) miles to show/campout events several times each year. I usually try to make the drive completely off of the Intersate Hihgway system. All back roads |
| 01:02.06 | agent | threat2: my battery is almost 3.5 years old and i still get 1 hour or so |
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| 01:02.18 | threat2 | phorce1: insane |
| 01:02.23 | agent | threat2: it can get up to 13 or so hours with extended battery i think |
| 01:02.29 | jelly-home | agent: what model? |
| 01:02.34 | deb_noob | can the 32bit flash plugin be used on x86_64? |
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| 01:02.41 | agent | threat2: normal battery is about 3-4 hours |
| 01:02.46 | threat2 | agent: extended batery makes it chuckier doesnt it? |
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| 01:02.55 | robin_sz | chuckier? |
| 01:03.00 | robin_sz | easier to chuck? |
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| 01:03.06 | agent | threat2: yes it does, but still less so than a non-portable |
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| 01:03.15 | jelly-home | robin_sz: that would be more chuckable |
| 01:03.19 | agent | threat2: but i never used an extended battery so i do not really know |
| 01:03.23 | agent | jelly-home: i have the thinkpad x31 |
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| 01:03.30 | agent | jelly-home: made in 2003 |
| 01:04.05 | agent | i guessed "heavier" or "larger" |
| 01:04.08 | agent | :) |
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| 01:04.36 | robin_sz | larger => chuckier ... coo. some typo ;) |
| 01:04.38 | agent | threat2: look on lenovo.com for more info |
| 01:05.07 | agent | threat2: ibm sold its whole laptop division to lenovo |
| 01:05.08 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.19 | jelly-home | www.thinkiwiki.org is a good resource for Linux on Thinkpads |
| 01:05.22 | agent | threat2: even though lenovo has made them for ibm for the past few years anyway |
| 01:05.27 | agent | jelly-home: yep :) |
| 01:06.08 | drako | Hello, I'm trying to set up my wireless network with ndiswrapper but I have 2 problems, first one module (wrong) is being loaded and it doesn't work, second ndiswrapper modules are not being loaded. |
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| 01:06.25 | agent | threat2: just be careful about the wireless cards 1) you can only buy certified ibm/lenovo ones due to stupid american laws and 2) some require non-free drivers to work :( although they all work in linux from what i know |
| 01:06.46 | threat2 | agent: wtf? |
| 01:06.48 | monokrome | drako: bcm42xx is the one that doesn't work, right? |
| 01:06.54 | dooglus | adioe3: ah, I see. so not really a mailing list manager, but a web email client? |
| 01:06.55 | agent | threat2: no ndiswrapper silliness, but binary blobs, etc. |
| 01:07.02 | threat2 | agent: what american law? well I dont live in america |
| 01:07.03 | drako | monokrome, yes |
| 01:07.13 | adioe3 | dooglus, something like that, yeah |
| 01:07.31 | threat2 | agent: oh you mean the laws about not being able to change the radio frequency? |
| 01:07.43 | monokrome | in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist you need to add a new line that says: |
| 01:07.45 | jelly-home | threat2: even if you don't live there, the BIOS still has blacklists and doesn't allow just any mini-pci card to work |
| 01:07.47 | monokrome | blacklist bcm43xx |
| 01:08.01 | agent | threat2: yes, but you still pay the price because those silly americans require specific emmissions and well, ibm/lenovo did not want to produce seperate hardware for american and everyone else |
| 01:08.25 | agent | threat2: yes, the laws about frequency changes |
| 01:09.52 | sparr | how can i get rid of a package that failed post-install, but also fails pre-removal? i cant seem to install, uninstall, or purge it, using apt or dpkg. |
| 01:10.06 | threat2 | agent: ok, same laws apply in AU too |
| 01:10.16 | threat2 | ell I have to go |
| 01:10.18 | threat2 | BBL |
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| 01:10.43 | agent | threat2: that's too bad :( |
| 01:10.46 | adrakoa | hi |
| 01:11.25 | agent | sparr: it's possible, you just have to play around with it - the answer is "depends on your package/error" :) |
| 01:11.47 | joaop | some ideia where is the "ant" program in debian ? on packages.debian.org it's says it's in ant package, but this package exist anymore.. some ideia? |
| 01:12.03 | thug | anyone tried out Merak or Atmail email server ? |
| 01:12.08 | sparr | agent: is there any way to just remove it from the queue so apt stops trying to finish the process? |
| 01:12.24 | jelly-home | thug: Merak is for Windows, isn't it? |
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| 01:12.33 | agent | sparr: that i do not know... maybe but i never did it that way |
| 01:12.50 | thug | jelly-home linux too |
| 01:13.06 | stoned | I love this cheapo realtek HD audio |
| 01:13.09 | stoned | its crazy |
| 01:13.28 | stoned | my system sounds better, a lot better |
| 01:13.46 | jelly-home | thug: didn't know that... well, judging from our Windows admins' experiences, I would put it _near_ any of my Linux servers. |
| 01:13.52 | sparr | stoned: i love it when its not full of static :( |
| 01:13.58 | agent | sparr: the problem with doing that is your package is already installed and you do not want to leave it like that even if you could make dpkg forget that it exists... you may end up breaking something else either now or in the future (and it sucks if in the future because you will not remember why) |
| 01:14.00 | stoned | its not full of static |
| 01:14.06 | sparr | agent: quite annoying. i need "dpkg --LEAVEITALONE" |
| 01:14.08 | jelly-home | wouldn't* |
| 01:14.13 | thug | jelly-home so is it good then .... |
| 01:14.49 | sparr | stoned: mine is, about 30% of the time. and i cant figure out why |
| 01:15.09 | stoned | hey I can't seem to understnad this behaviour, why. |
| 01:15.21 | jelly-home | thug: not really... well, it kinda works. But every now and then they release a build with some random regressions and then release another one in a matter of hours |
| 01:15.28 | ragno3 | hi. I have sarge. In gnome sound works. If I run a kde game, a window pops up saying that arts cannot be started... If I disable gnome sound, the sound in kde game works. How can I have both audio in gnome and in kde? |
| 01:15.30 | jelly-home | thug: that's what I heard |
| 01:16.02 | stoned | I am importing a kdm session from laptop to desktop's X server. However, if I login through ssh to laptop, I can't access dcop server. |
| 01:16.13 | thug | jelly-home :) |
| 01:16.21 | agent | sparr: did you try dpkg -P --force-all package? |
| 01:16.26 | PerfDave | stoned: Why not just run a konsole window in your exported X session? |
| 01:16.38 | stoned | PerfDave: I don't like konsole |
| 01:16.43 | stoned | plus some other reason |
| 01:16.49 | stoned | so how come I can't access the dcop server like this? |
| 01:16.54 | jelly-home | stoned: "importing"? |
| 01:17.07 | PerfDave | stoned: OK, why don't you just run a terminal window in your exported X session? |
| 01:17.08 | stoned | xdmcp |
| 01:17.24 | jelly-home | stoned: that's starting a new session, isn't it? |
| 01:17.29 | stoned | PerfDave: yes I don't want to.. I need to be able to access dcop while logged in through ssh |
| 01:17.37 | stoned | jelly-home: I'm not sure |
| 01:17.46 | sparr | agent: i did now. no improvement. |
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| 01:18.20 | PerfDave | stoned: I'd ask #kde if I were you, sadly I just stopped doing exactly that ;) |
| 01:18.25 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:18.28 | stoned | ok thanks bro |
| 01:18.43 | ChrisW | *grunt* even though I did aptitude install -R postfix, it still seems to have installed resolvconf, which has broken my dns, how do I get rid of the damn thing? :-( |
| 01:19.04 | PerfDave | stoned: You may want to look at the output of "set | grep -i dcop" |
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| 01:19.55 | jelly-home | Can I forward tcp nfs through ssh? |
| 01:20.03 | stoned | PerfDave: nothing |
| 01:20.31 | stoned | however dcopserver is running as a process under my account |
| 01:21.11 | stoned | let me try something |
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| 01:22.06 | jelly-home | stoned: but that dcopserver is bound to laptop's :0 session, isn't it? |
| 01:22.28 | ChrisW | hmm, okay, my bad, rackspace debian mirrors look like they were jus ttemporarilly unavailable... |
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| 01:23.25 | stoned | ahh |
| 01:23.26 | stoned | nm |
| 01:23.27 | stoned | I got it |
| 01:23.29 | agent | sparr: don't give up :) man dpkg may give you some ideas and you may be able to fix it by removing a a file for example... just guesses... be careful not to break your system anymore than it already is though |
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| 01:24.03 | stoned | I just had to start a screen session |
| 01:24.10 | stoned | in the kdm xdmcp session |
| 01:24.19 | stoned | then ssh into it, screen -r and I'm good |
| 01:24.23 | stoned | i can ge to dcop now |
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| 01:26.29 | drako | FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 01:27.41 | PerfDave | stoned: That makes me think it's related to an environment variable, possibly $DISPLAY rather than anything specifically DCOP-related. |
| 01:28.09 | stoned | PerfDave: well I asked kde |
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| 01:28.31 | stoned | fid out exatly how it works |
| 01:28.33 | PerfDave | stoned: What happens if you SSH in, set $DISPLAY to be the same as your XDMCP session, and then try? |
| 01:28.35 | stoned | find*exactly |
| 01:28.41 | stoned | hold on |
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| 01:29.31 | stoned | nope |
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| 01:30.20 | Atomy | maybe someone can help me here, i installes postfix with sqwebmail but everytime i wanna start sqwebmail it says: Starting Courier webmail daemon: /usr/sbin/webmaild: line 14: /etc/courier/sqwebmaild: No such file or directory |
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| 01:30.48 | stoned | PerfDave: I set the display to where the xserver is runnign but no dice |
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| 01:43.25 | justin | w0rd55: force your cpu to the lowest setting and leave it there |
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| 01:47.41 | ChrisW | *sigh* (again) I've apt-pinned fail2ban by twiddling /etc/apt/preferences, but when I try to do "aptitude install fail2ban", it's decided it wants to remove my kernel package. Why would it do that? |
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| 01:49.12 | liable | ChrisW: why dont you just install the .deb? i think its only a python script |
| 01:49.53 | ChrisW | *shrugs* I want aptitude to take care of getting new releases |
| 01:50.51 | agent | ChrisW: aptitude may be confused because you may have made changes without it knowing about it |
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| 01:51.36 | ChrisW | I don't think I have |
| 01:51.36 | agent | ChrisW: try aptitude --keep-all to have aptitude forget everything and "start over" |
| 01:51.47 | ChrisW | I managed to install it with apt-get instead |
| 01:51.56 | ChrisW | just doing an aptitude update && aptitude upgrade now |
| 01:52.05 | liable | dont mix and match apt-get and aptitude |
| 01:52.24 | ChrisW | I try not to |
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| 01:52.36 | ChrisW | but aptitude just doesn't do it on the odd occasion |
| 01:52.45 | ChrisW | but 99.9% of the time I do stick to aptitude |
| 01:52.50 | ChrisW | why is mixing and matching bad? |
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| 01:53.23 | karsten | Any suggestions on getting a TRENDnet 802.11g. Label on the back says TEW-421PC W/W:B1. Mixed results googling, doesn't look particularly good. |
| 01:53.39 | karsten | Um. Wifi card, and getting it working, to unmangle my grammar. |
| 01:53.59 | liable | aptitude goes nuts sometimes and wants to remove shitloads, then you have to do what agent suggested. |
| 01:54.34 | agent | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de has a nice aptitude beginners guide write-up |
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| 01:55.15 | karsten | Looks as if acx100-source may be the recommended solution. |
| 01:55.16 | ChrisW | okay, thanks for the help! :-) |
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| 01:58.44 | Math^ | hello, when I install sudo it precisely works as in ubuntu? |
| 01:59.57 | liable | yep, but you have to set it up |
| 02:00.07 | Math^ | liable: ok |
| 02:00.08 | liable | man visudo |
| 02:00.09 | karsten | Math^: Mostly. Root is configured differently (you can get to root directly). |
| 02:00.28 | karsten | Math^: ... you'll also need to add your standard user account to sudoers manually. |
| 02:00.44 | Math^ | karsten: ok |
| 02:00.46 | Math^ | thnx |
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| 02:01.05 | Math^ | me @ all ? |
| 02:01.15 | Math^ | just like the root permissions? |
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| 02:03.31 | Math^ | math ALL = (ALL) ALL |
| 02:03.37 | Math^ | or isnt that safe |
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| 02:06.38 | pe3r | how do you lock a user? |
| 02:07.03 | pe3r | i mean lock its directory |
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| 02:08.30 | rock_feng | How to change the directory's owner created by anonymous in pureftpd ? |
| 02:08.41 | dendrite | pe3r: What do you mean "lock" a user directory? |
| 02:08.44 | lvalue | can somebody explain to me why do i need the tetex packages to install mediawiki?? http://rafb.net/p/hApEqq77.html |
| 02:09.16 | pe3r | dendrite, like every time he logins, i just want him in that directory |
| 02:09.26 | pe3r | or set him a default directory |
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| 02:11.00 | Spoodged | i have a silly question about find (1). can i use find to list, say, the 10 most recently created/accessed files in /mnt ? ive been trying for a while but cant come up with a solution |
| 02:11.48 | dondelelcaro | Spoodged: yes, you can. |
| 02:11.56 | dondelelcaro | Spoodged: but you're going to use find coupled with head to do that. |
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| 02:13.06 | dondelelcaro | Spoodged: please keep it in the channel; I'm apt to disapear at any time |
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| 02:14.02 | Roey | Spoodged: heh, nice nick |
| 02:14.06 | Spoodged | dondelelcaro: I'll play some more with head, thanks for the tip |
| 02:14.12 | Spoodged | Roey: thx lol, thx |
| 02:14.45 | rfrank | .. |
| 02:14.50 | raf256 | !gay |
| 02:14.51 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 02:15.17 | thug | raf256 aint for me man i had to ignore him |
| 02:16.14 | gpogo | is anyone familiar on how to get bibtex working? I have latex installed, but pdflatex chokes saying natbib.sty is not found |
| 02:16.53 | Roey | thug: oh no, a "gay", ban him |
| 02:17.12 | thug | Roey cannot ban him .. just ignore ;) |
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| 02:17.26 | Roey | maybe you're just hiding your inner insecurities. |
| 02:17.37 | dondelelcaro | gpogo: you need the natbib.sty file somewhere in your latex path |
| 02:17.40 | dkr_ | with a fresh etch install I can play the hd trailers at apple.com/trailers but totem isn't buffering enough so it pauses every few seconds. So I changed network-buffer-threshold from 2 to 20 seconds in config editor. but that change is not being recognized as it continues to play in 2 seconds with pauses. Any idea how to get totem to notice the gconf change? (already restarted iceweasel) |
| 02:17.47 | Roey | thug: anyting new in Debian |
| 02:17.48 | Roey | ? |
| 02:17.53 | thug | aint hiding shit |
| 02:18.06 | thug | Roey what do you mean " anyting new in Debian " ? |
| 02:18.10 | Roey | just the fact that you can't let that statement out without resorting to cursing |
| 02:18.14 | gpogo | dondelelcaro: is that in a debian package that I need to install? |
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| 02:18.23 | Roey | thug: it's like stammering. |
| 02:18.26 | Roey | thug: *stuttering |
| 02:18.29 | dondelelcaro | gpogo: you can start with \bibliogrophystyle{plain} \bibliograph{foo.bib} |
| 02:18.32 | Roey | thug: know yourself. |
| 02:18.36 | dkr_ | (I also increased buffer-size to 20 in case that had a limit on the network buffer |
| 02:18.45 | Roey | thug: anyway, I was asking about a page for newly-added packages |
| 02:18.45 | thug | Roey heh |
| 02:18.52 | Roey | a page that lists them |
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| 02:18.59 | dondelelcaro | gpogo: no, it's something that is available from CTAN and from nature. Unless you're submitting a paper to nature there's no need to use it, though. |
| 02:18.59 | ljlolel | i have an iso, I don't want to mount it, how do I make it a device itself, like in /dev/cdrom? |
| 02:19.02 | thug | Roey use synaptic :) |
| 02:19.07 | jrl | is the sun-java packages only available for x86? |
| 02:19.07 | Roey | thug: ohhhhhh |
| 02:19.15 | Roey | thug: apt-get is fine for me but thanks :) |
| 02:19.20 | dkr_ | Roey: package managers have a section for newly added packages |
| 02:19.28 | dondelelcaro | Roey: do you mean to the archive? |
| 02:19.43 | Roey | to the repos. |
| 02:19.46 | thug | Roey synaptic can list the installed packages .... upgraded ... available .. and so on :D |
| 02:19.54 | Roey | how can I get a list of new packages added this month? |
| 02:19.56 | Spoodged | sory dude, didnt see the joke... i cant fingure out how to list what i want though, any help ? |
| 02:20.01 | dondelelcaro | Roey: that's the archive; anyway, debian-devel-changes is the place where those are announced. |
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| 02:20.10 | Roey | dondelelcaro: oh ok, thanks |
| 02:20.17 | Roey | dkr_: thanks |
| 02:20.19 | thug | Roey on mon or tue ?:)) |
| 02:20.25 | Roey | but there's no apt-get list-new |
| 02:20.26 | Roey | or something |
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| 02:20.33 | Roey | thug: ??shrug?? |
| 02:20.44 | thug | Roey nmind |
| 02:20.52 | Roey | aye |
| 02:21.10 | Roey | thug: speaking of which, this is the first time I see you in here, are you a new Debian user? |
| 02:21.32 | thug | Roey not really , no |
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| 02:21.45 | Roey | thug: oh, ok |
| 02:22.00 | Thug-N-Me | this is me |
| 02:22.18 | Roey | ohhhhh ok |
| 02:22.21 | Thug-N-Me | Password accepted - you are now recognized |
| 02:22.23 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 02:22.24 | Roey | right now I remember you |
| 02:22.25 | Roey | heh |
| 02:22.26 | Roey | :) |
| 02:22.27 | Roey | hi! |
| 02:22.30 | Thug-N-Me | hi |
| 02:22.32 | Roey | k gotta go back to studying |
| 02:22.37 | Roey | tkaing gre on wednesday. |
| 02:22.39 | Thug-N-Me | aight do that |
| 02:22.49 | Roey | my butt hurts, I've been sitting since 10:00 |
| 02:22.51 | Roey | now it's 21:22 |
| 02:22.53 | gpogo | dondelelcaro: ah, thanks. I just assumed what my advisor sent would work fine without even checking the tex file |
| 02:23.28 | Roey | Thug-N-Me: triangles, triangles, alice and bob raking leaves at different rates, how long will it take for them to finish, etc. GAHHHHHHH FUCK IT |
| 02:23.43 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 02:24.02 | Thug-N-Me | what do you study ? |
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| 02:24.57 | dondelelcaro | gpogo: ah; it would work just fine if you had natbib.sty... but you have to have it, of course. |
| 02:26.22 | gpogo | dondelelcaro: right, thanks for the help :) |
| 02:26.37 | hellop | is there a command to see the size of an entire directory tree? |
| 02:26.41 | dkr_ | du |
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| 02:27.46 | hellop | du --maxdepth=1 |
| 02:27.49 | hellop | cool tks dkr |
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| 02:29.03 | Spoodged | I stumbled onto this nice script, if anybody cares: http://www.pixelbeat.org/scripts/newest |
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| 02:31.34 | Spoodged | dondelelcaro: he used tail, but head could have worked too :-) |
| 02:31.35 | hellop | Spoodged is that better then ls -t? |
| 02:31.55 | Spoodged | hellop: with a few edits it seems to make a nice script for me |
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| 02:33.36 | dkr_ | oooh. I was annoyed that xchat devs changed nick completion suffix from the standard ":" to a "," but now I see that they added "nick completion sorted" by "Last-spoke order" instead of alphabetic so now I think they rock. :) |
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| 02:34.24 | muhoo | /proc/interrupts tells me there are 3 interrupts for libata: the traditional 14 & 15, and also 19. how can i determine which one is used for my SATA drive? |
| 02:34.50 | dkr_ | poke it and watch which counter goes up? ;) |
| 02:35.04 | muhoo | ah, lspci -v says it's IRQ 19 |
| 02:35.17 | muhoo | shit. |
| 02:35.33 | muhoo | that's bad. that IRQ is shared with my firewire port |
| 02:35.35 | hellop | I made $240 today! |
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| 02:36.08 | muhoo | that'd explain a lot, actually. like why the firewire audio is getting mangled |
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| 02:36.48 | dkr_ | hellop: isn't that a normal salary? |
| 02:37.08 | dkr_ | wel, ok, a bit above average. ;) |
| 02:37.08 | hellop | I think I might be forced to use windows for my Car-PC, since touchscreen drivers are nearly impossible to install. |
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| 02:37.48 | hellop | dkr_, if only it was every day |
| 02:37.49 | mfrisch | hellop: are you using a comercial X server? |
| 02:37.50 | dkr_ | tell me about it. I ended up using drivers from manufacturers for my kiosks sometimes |
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| 02:38.09 | hellop | mfrisch, no just xorg |
| 02:38.18 | dkr_ | or ugly hacks with event device drivers |
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| 02:38.44 | hellop | well, I ran out of space on my 1GB flash drive, so I'll probably keep trying with a reg hard drive |
| 02:38.53 | hellop | There seems to be not difinitive how-to out there |
| 02:39.31 | justin | 1G wasn't enough? what did you install? |
| 02:39.53 | hellop | justin, trying to unbzip the kernel |
| 02:39.55 | mfrisch | hellop: you should check out X manufacturers hardware lists to see if its supported there, |
| 02:40.20 | hellop | mfrisch, I think 7" touch screens are pretty universal |
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| 02:41.03 | justin | hellop: the kernel SOURCE? |
| 02:41.14 | Dewi | I am trying to use 'find' to generate a shell script... how would I go about escaping filenames so bash recognises them? |
| 02:41.23 | Draconicus | brb |
| 02:41.34 | hellop | mfrisch, there's the xorg-evtouch driver, the eGalax, driver, and my manufacturer driver |
| 02:41.43 | hellop | justin yes, linux-source |
| 02:41.48 | justin | hellop: why? |
| 02:41.49 | hellop | to recompile kernel |
| 02:41.53 | mfrisch | hellop: I don't think many are supported by x.org I use it though, 1 gb is plenty for a rocking system. How much do you think 'doz wil take? |
| 02:41.56 | justin | hellop: compile it on another machine |
| 02:42.04 | dendrite | Dewi: Are there spaces in the file names? |
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| 02:42.31 | Dewi | dendrite: yes, spaces, quotes, etc |
| 02:42.34 | hellop | Dewi, use RegEx |
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| 02:42.57 | Dewi | hellop: like... use perl to backslash single quotes? |
| 02:43.04 | dendrite | Dewi: Save way is probably find /path -print0 | xargs -0 command ... |
| 02:43.13 | hellop | mfrisch, I know I thouht maybe Windows embedded, or Win98 Light = 35MB installed |
| 02:43.13 | dendrite | Dewi: Safe way, that is. |
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| 02:43.33 | Dewi | dendrite: not if the target files are on another machine |
| 02:43.40 | dendrite | Dewi: You can also do find -exec command {} \; |
| 02:43.40 | Dewi | dendrite: I need a script I can transport |
| 02:43.55 | Dewi | oh... unless I do that pipe step over ssh |
| 02:43.57 | Dewi | that might be saner |
| 02:44.04 | Dewi | hmmmm :P |
| 02:44.08 | dendrite | Dewi: But you'll have to deal with spaces. |
| 02:44.22 | dendrite | Maybe "{}" -- but that will break if the file name has a quote in it... |
| 02:44.30 | Dewi | dendrite: nah, I can pipe.... find /path -print0 | ssh xargs -0 command ... |
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| 02:45.04 | dendrite | Dewi: No, it'd be | xargs -0 ssh command ... |
| 02:45.11 | dendrite | or ssh "command" |
| 02:45.21 | Dewi | dendrite: I don't want to run 100,000 ssh's |
| 02:45.36 | Dewi | dendrite: might give sshd a nice stress test tho :P |
| 02:45.58 | dendrite | Dewi: I'm not clear how | ssh xargs would work. I think not as you expect. |
| 02:46.22 | Dewi | dendrite: piping a zero-delimited stream of filenames over a single ssh session which it will suck into xargs and continue |
| 02:46.22 | dendrite | Dewi: Can you be more specific? |
| 02:46.37 | Dewi | I think it can be convinced to work. Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 02:46.49 | dendrite | Dewi: Then you'll need cat. |
| 02:46.56 | Dewi | dendrite: yes, probably |
| 02:46.57 | dendrite | Or maybe - |
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| 02:47.36 | dendrite | Dewi: You comparing file lists on two machines? |
| 02:47.58 | Dewi | dendrite: no... I want to do that, and I want to use timestamps in the comparison |
| 02:48.09 | Dewi | *but* I forgot to preserve them when I copied roughly a terabyte of data |
| 02:48.23 | dendrite | Dewi: You *might* try rsync, it could probably be hacked to do that, in dry-run mode... |
| 02:48.46 | Dewi | dendrite: it would touch timestamps in dry-run mode? |
| 02:48.58 | dendrite | Dewi: Ah, if updating, then rsync *not* in dry-run mode. :-) |
| 02:49.08 | Dewi | I don't want to copy or update or even scan data |
| 02:49.08 | dendrite | Dewi: Worth a peek into the man page, eh? |
| 02:49.11 | Dewi | I just want to transfer timestamps |
| 02:49.18 | Dewi | I don't think rsync will be up to it |
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| 02:49.22 | dendrite | Dewi: Maybe not. |
| 02:49.24 | peterS | Dewi: anyway, instead of 'find' piped to a shell, I would use Perl with the "File::Find" module |
| 02:50.03 | peterS | Dewi: I'd have it emit a shell script full of 'touch' and 'chown' and such, then move the shell script to the other machine and run it |
| 02:50.03 | dendrite | Dewi: It'd almost be worth setting up a nfs mount... |
| 02:50.12 | Dewi | peterS: hmm. that almost sounds sensible, even if dealing with any kind of time reference in perl gives me horrible cramps |
| 02:50.18 | dendrite | peterS: That's probably what I'd do to, actually... |
| 02:51.02 | Dewi | peterS: how do I make perl generate filenames bash can handle? s/'/\\'/g ? |
| 02:51.21 | dendrite | Dewi: If you're doing perl, just do it in perl, don't use bash. |
| 02:51.25 | peterS | Dewi: yeah replace every ' by '\'' and enclose in ' ' |
| 02:51.51 | Dewi | dendrite: perl writing perl is no easier than perl writing bash. In fact, it's harder |
| 02:52.09 | drako | Ok how I can make the laptop use the VGA output to display with a video beam? |
| 02:52.10 | dendrite | Dewi: I mean, use direct calls. |
| 02:52.15 | Dewi | peterS: oh yeah, \' isn't enough. good point |
| 02:52.21 | peterS | Dewi: if you can be sure filenames do not contain \n, you could just put one-file-per-line with other parameters before that, and have a script at the other end that reads the data in |
| 02:52.33 | teledyn_ | i put set noautoindent in /etc/vim/vimrc but it is being ignored. the new debian config for vim is causing a lot of annoying problems like this |
| 02:52.38 | Dewi | peterS: yeah |
| 02:53.11 | Dewi | dendrite: I'd have to muck around with nfs then... and nfs annoys me |
| 02:53.18 | Dewi | dendrite: the security situation is horrendous |
| 02:53.36 | dendrite | Dewi: Nah, I agree, nfs is not worth it. |
| 02:53.50 | Dewi | dendrite: I've actually considered samba though |
| 02:53.53 | dendrite | Dewi: I was imagining moving a script across and running it. |
| 02:56.23 | peterS | Dewi: problem with samba is that SMB/CIFS is fundamentally based on one-user-per-connection, so directories that feature different file owners don't map to it very well. there are ways around this but they're complex and ugly |
| 02:57.03 | peterS | whereas NFS assumes you are local root and will enforce your own file permissions on the client side, so the server can expose all usernames. that is an equally clumsy assumption (: |
| 02:58.00 | peterS | yeah, well, at least nfsv4 includes support for kerberos tickets, such that the server no longer has to trust the client to do proper file authorization.. |
| 02:58.10 | justin | peterS: in theory :) |
| 02:58.19 | peterS | yeah ... if you take the time to set it up. |
| 02:58.19 | Dewi | peterS: I wasn't going to do anything with perms though |
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| 02:58.30 | justin | in practice I've managed to get my solaris box to crash twice, but have yet to get a fs to actually mount |
| 02:58.37 | cyzie | just curious, for the screen reso of 1280 x 800, do i need special packages ? |
| 02:58.47 | Math^ | hello, when I want to startup firefox it says: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 02:59.01 | peterS | cyzie: you might, if it's an Intel graphics chip, you might need the '915resolution' package |
| 02:59.22 | Dewi | peterS: I've found that it's possible to make a windows client *not* muck up permissions as long as to turn off some of the stupid "compatibility" options |
| 02:59.22 | peterS | cyzie: this is a workaround for some video BIOSes not giving access to all the interesting display modes |
| 02:59.42 | Dewi | peterS: mainly that one where samba translates the windows 'archive' bit into a unix +x |
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| 02:59.55 | cyzie | peterS, it has geforce go 7400 |
| 03:00.02 | NickIsAGoodName | hhh |
| 03:00.11 | peterS | NickIsAGoodName: uh, what? |
| 03:00.23 | NickIsAGoodName | just testing |
| 03:00.29 | NickIsAGoodName | however.. |
| 03:00.39 | peterS | conserve your h's, sometimes we run out around here 'cause people tend to waste them |
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| 03:01.12 | NickIsAGoodName | I need to download from my camera, and print |
| 03:01.28 | Dewi | oh, you need lots of h's for that |
| 03:01.35 | Dewi | loooots |
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| 03:01.40 | NickIsAGoodName | I suppose I could have used x's |
| 03:02.04 | Dewi | NickIsAGoodName: is your camera a USB mass storage device? |
| 03:02.16 | NickIsAGoodName | I know, I have been at it off and on for 12 wks |
| 03:02.35 | NickIsAGoodName | yes - an HP947 |
| 03:02.54 | NickIsAGoodName | It can be set as a disk |
| 03:03.21 | peterS | NickIsAGoodName: the downloading from camera part is usually pretty easy, if your camera is supported by gphoto2. 'gphoto2 -P' downloads everything to the local disk. frontend gui programs can do more interesting things than that. |
| 03:03.47 | peterS | NickIsAGoodName: ...but I don't see anything about a "HP 947" in 'gphoto2 --list-cameras', so who knows |
| 03:04.07 | NickIsAGoodName | gphoto2? never heard of it. where? |
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| 03:04.14 | peterS | NickIsAGoodName: it's a debian package |
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| 03:04.29 | NickIsAGoodName | all right! |
| 03:04.54 | peterS | if your camera is supported, it should autodetect it with no configuration and no problem. USB is nice that way |
| 03:05.06 | NickIsAGoodName | typo -- hp945 |
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| 03:05.12 | peterS | oh, the HP945 is mentioned, yes. |
| 03:05.19 | peterS | so you're probably good to go |
| 03:05.40 | peterS | at least, it mentions the "HP PhotoSmart 945 (PTP mode)". PTP means picture transfer protocol. |
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| 03:05.54 | NickIsAGoodName | how about the printer? hp4110 Officejet - no typos |
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| 03:06.45 | NickIsAGoodName | i have tried to connect with cupsys, but no go |
| 03:06.46 | peterS | NickIsAGoodName: I don't know anything about that type of printer. someone else'll have to jump in. but it will probably involve installing the 'foomatic-db-hpijs' package |
| 03:07.03 | eleftherios | how can I downgrade to firefox 1.5 again? Even since I upgraded to firefox 2 my machine hangs after a bit of browsing and I have to press the power off button to reboot. I am on Etch. |
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| 03:07.25 | NickIsAGoodName | I have hpijs partly installed |
| 03:07.45 | peterS | eleftherios: good luck, it's a matter of pulling down the sarge packages, since etch does not have ff1.5, and convincing the system you really do intend to remove the one and install the other |
| 03:07.56 | DOlores | hello, anyone here have problem installing msttcorefonts?? dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig -> result is "failed" for me :S anyone else had this problem?? |
| 03:08.04 | eleftherios | peterS, oh shit.. |
| 03:08.45 | eleftherios | I am sure other people are having problems with firefox |
| 03:08.48 | eleftherios | hm |
| 03:09.00 | NickIsAGoodName | also, how do I turn up the sound? |
| 03:09.05 | streuner | eleftherios: what does BTS say about? |
| 03:09.20 | NickIsAGoodName | I am using Firefox |
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| 03:09.32 | Math^ | what repositories I need to install irssi on my laptop? |
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| 03:09.37 | NickIsAGoodName | debian 3.1 |
| 03:09.48 | eleftherios | NickIsAGoodName, I am on 4.0 with ff 2.0 |
| 03:09.50 | streuner | Math^: official? |
| 03:09.52 | peterS | Math^: just the regular debian repositories. depending on your deb version it may be named 'irssi' or 'irssi-text'. |
| 03:10.14 | unseensoul | is there a vnc gui client for gnome? |
| 03:10.15 | Math^ | is there some source-o-matic for debian? |
| 03:10.26 | peterS | Math^: uh, what do you mean by 'source-o-matic'? |
| 03:10.28 | streuner | !tell Math^ about search |
| 03:10.38 | Math^ | I realy dont know wich repositories I need to add to install most things :/ |
| 03:10.53 | Math^ | sorry peterS its propably some ubuntu thing |
| 03:10.53 | peterS | Math^: for "most things" you don't need to add anything. the official Debian repository is quite huge |
| 03:11.10 | Math^ | ok, than it most be irssi-text |
| 03:11.11 | NickIsAGoodName | I am using ff2 |
| 03:11.13 | Math^ | and not irssi |
| 03:11.33 | streuner | Math^: read the factoid |
| 03:11.33 | Math^ | it is irssi-text indeed :) |
| 03:11.38 | streuner | sure |
| 03:11.48 | Math^ | there's no autocomplete :/ |
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| 03:12.03 | DOlores | anyone else has a font problem?? |
| 03:12.06 | Math^ | streuner: factoid? |
| 03:12.42 | pressureman | can someone please help me understand something about the number of inodes in ext2/3 fs creation? |
| 03:12.48 | streuner | Math^: !tell Math^ about search (t)bot tell <nick> about search (factoid) |
| 03:13.12 | pressureman | if i have a large number of inodes, are they eating up space (ie, wasting space)? |
| 03:13.52 | peterS | pressureman: yes, they are. each inode takes ... I think 128 bytes. so that means every 32 inodes requires a 4kB block. |
| 03:14.03 | DOlores | :(((( |
| 03:14.04 | peterS | those blocks cannot be used for anything else |
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| 03:14.13 | pressureman | ahh... that make a bit more sense |
| 03:14.25 | streuner | Math^: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 03:14.35 | pressureman | i've been trying to do the math (mkfs man page says default inode size is 128 bytes) |
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| 03:15.21 | pressureman | so if i don't use the "largefile" option to reduce the inode ratio, and it creates an fs with about a billion more inodes than i'll ever need, those inodes are actually wasting space.../ |
| 03:15.22 | pressureman | ? |
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| 03:15.36 | peterS | pressureman: correct |
| 03:16.05 | peterS | pressureman: jfs behaves better in this regard, I believe - I think it allocates inodes on a more or less as-needed basis. but last time I tried jfs it was horribly slow, so that's not worth it |
| 03:16.09 | pressureman | thank you... i finally understand :) |
| 03:16.32 | pressureman | i've been using reiserfs for many years, so it hasn't been an issue |
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| 03:16.50 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 03:16.52 | pressureman | but my company has stipulated we can no longer use rfs |
| 03:16.57 | DOlores | how can i fix this?? ---- > dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig ---- > "Regenerating fonts cache... failed." |
| 03:17.05 | pressureman | (murderfs as it's becoming known...) |
| 03:17.29 | peterS | good policy. reiserfs is a fair-weather filesystem, it's fine as long as nothing ever goes wrong with your system |
| 03:17.30 | DOlores | why does it fail? can't find any info :/ anyone have an idea? |
| 03:17.51 | pressureman | ext3 might be slow(er), but at least it's rock solid... kinda like a WW II russian tank |
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| 03:18.21 | peterS | pressureman: yeah. and as for speed - when I compared it to jfs, ext3 was way faster. such that I began to suspect that my system might not be normal, jfs was so slow. |
| 03:18.30 | w0rd55 | wtf is xfs about? |
| 03:18.36 | pressureman | i'll just have to dream of zfs one day being ported to linux |
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| 03:19.10 | peterS | xfs is ... well, in theory xfs is wonderful, but in practice it's still slightly alien to the linux world (it doesn't look quite like "native" filesystem code) and occasionally something happens like kernel 2.6.17 where everyone loses data |
| 03:19.37 | peterS | 2.6.17 made a lot of people lose faith in xfs, I think |
| 03:19.47 | Math^ | hello, can someone help me with firefox? It says: (firefox-bin:1750): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 03:20.23 | peterS | Math^: that's usually caused by trying to run firefox in some environment other than straight from an X window login |
| 03:20.31 | peterS | Math^: for example, trying to run it over ssh, or after doing 'su' |
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| 03:20.40 | DOlores | what fonts u guys use?? |
| 03:21.09 | w0rd55 | yeah |
| 03:21.17 | peterS | pressureman: zfs is as foreign to linux as xfs is, I wouldn't count on it being any more reliable. until someone does a _lot_ of porting and testing work on it |
| 03:21.22 | w0rd55 | these guys we are using email product from reccommend xfs |
| 03:21.32 | Math^ | peterS: when I want to startup firefox from X nothing happend, when I try to start it from the x-term I get that |
| 03:21.34 | w0rd55 | we just started using kern 2.6.18 on that box so it's a fresh start |
| 03:21.44 | Azar | hehehe funny this latest Debian News.. hahahaha |
| 03:21.54 | peterS | pressureman: and the fact that it uses 128 bit fields for absolutely everything cannot be good from a performance perspective. I asked the designer about that, she insisted that 64 bits wouldn't be enough for more than a few years |
| 03:22.40 | pressureman | peterS: 2.6.10 and later support larger inode sizes, so that xattrs can be stored more efficiently |
| 03:22.42 | peterS | also, its insistence on doing cryptographic checksums for everything - I guess that's good for robustness, but it can't be good for performance either |
| 03:23.02 | w0rd55 | yeah this athlon xp doesn't support cpufreq settings I don't think |
| 03:23.09 | w0rd55 | the other box I'm trying this on is a celeron.....I hope it does |
| 03:23.22 | w0rd55 | trying to cut down on power consumption on 2 of my fileservers |
| 03:23.35 | w0rd55 | I set spindown time, but can't seem to find many more settings |
| 03:23.56 | Azar | "45% of the readers assume that etch will be released whenever it is ready." yeeppps! |
| 03:24.40 | streuner | "Propaganda works" :-) |
| 03:25.01 | Azar | :) man I agree 100% with the other 45% |
| 03:25.10 | peterS | I hope the other 55% don't think that etch will _not_ be released when it is ready |
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| 03:25.20 | Azar | hahaha |
| 03:25.25 | peterS | I mean, if it's ready, why wouldn't we release it? |
| 03:25.33 | Azar | just for kicks? |
| 03:25.47 | Azar | to make them more nervous about? |
| 03:25.51 | peterS | "hello world! we have a release ready, but we are going to not release it! bwahahahaha" |
| 03:26.24 | Azar | the "debianex" comment is very candid as well |
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| 03:26.56 | thug | shouldnt be a line " AUTHMODULES="..." in /etc/courier/imapd ? |
| 03:27.09 | pressureman | pfft, i've been using etch for about 18 months now |
| 03:27.32 | pressureman | debian stale is too old for most development work i do |
| 03:27.44 | Math^ | exit |
| 03:28.02 | thug | does anyone know ? |
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| 03:31.06 | Azar | the Measuring Development Progress seems so strikingly alike with an accounting spreadsheet.. |
| 03:31.29 | Azar | what next, time punching cards? |
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| 03:33.35 | Thug-N-Me | telnet localhost 143 >>> a NO Login failed. |
| 03:33.47 | Azar | what a PPPoE is, a regular dial-up? |
| 03:33.49 | Thug-N-Me | shouldnt be a a OK LOGIN Ok ? |
| 03:34.08 | liable | Azar: no |
| 03:34.23 | streuner | Azar: usually DSL |
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| 03:35.05 | Azar | thanks guys... hmmm then this guy brags for being able to do a full D-I on a DSL, .. that means no burning CD |
| 03:35.27 | SmartUnix | Hello |
| 03:35.44 | streuner | Azar: uh, did he read ig? |
| 03:35.54 | SmartUnix | Can i write in NTFS partitions using Linux? |
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| 03:36.14 | streuner | no |
| 03:36.42 | Azar | streuner: I am still reading, trying to understand the catch: http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/01/and-it-works-from-d-i-like-charm.html |
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| 03:40.22 | math_ | peterS: about the cannot open display message in firefox: www.thejackol.com/2004/11/24/firefox-on-suse <- this page helped me out :) |
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| 03:41.01 | math_ | peterS: I had to add xhost + in the beginning of the firefox script, and xhost - at the end |
| 03:41.07 | peterS | math_: they suggest 'xhost +'? w. t. f. |
| 03:41.17 | math_ | yes... but now it works |
| 03:41.36 | peterS | if 'xhost +' were a reasonable default behavior, don't you think debian would make it the default? |
| 03:41.47 | math_ | hmm yes :/ |
| 03:41.52 | peterS | basically it means "anyone logged into this machine is allowed full access to my X display" |
| 03:41.56 | math_ | peterS: what do you suggest? |
| 03:42.28 | peterS | I suggest only running firefox from your X login session, rather than running it from 'su' or 'ssh' or whatever you are actually doing |
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| 03:42.45 | math_ | peterS: im not running it as root... |
| 03:42.56 | peterS | you're doing _something_ other than running it from a fresh X login |
| 03:43.16 | math_ | weird... |
| 03:43.20 | peterS | that, or firefox is horribly buggy, but I would think others would notice if that were the case |
| 03:43.32 | math_ | peterS: true |
| 03:43.44 | peterS | you're saying you can log in, run a terminal app and then type 'firefox' and it refuses to work? |
| 03:44.00 | math_ | yes |
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| 03:44.09 | math_ | using fluxbox, but that must not be the problem I gues?\ |
| 03:44.18 | peterS | well, you didn't mention the "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" part, so I guess your problem is something other than that.. |
| 03:44.34 | dendrite | math_: is your DISPLAY variable set? |
| 03:44.43 | math_ | dendrite: I dont know |
| 03:44.52 | dendrite | math_: echo $DISPLAY |
| 03:45.08 | math_ | :0.0 it says |
| 03:45.21 | unseensoul | how can i add a launcher to the applications->internet menu? i'm using gnome... |
| 03:45.23 | peterS | dendrite: it's pretty odd that 'xhost +' would make a difference in any case, though. xhost should have the same access problem that firefox has |
| 03:45.40 | Azar | speaking of which.... I just upgraded a fresh patch for firefox 10 min ago |
| 03:45.41 | dendrite | math_: And you're running X in a default setup, i.e., on VT7? |
| 03:45.46 | peterS | I wonder if the firefox script is redefining HOME or something dumb like that |
| 03:46.02 | peterS | I don't have firefox installed so I can't check |
| 03:46.03 | math_ | dendrite: sorry i dont know what u mean :X |
| 03:46.34 | math_ | default setup? |
| 03:46.37 | Atomy | can i force an deinstallation with apt-get? |
| 03:46.47 | peterS | Atomy: apt-get remove packagename |
| 03:47.09 | Atomy | won't remove the one caus the process can't be stopped but the process is not running |
| 03:47.24 | Azar | peterS: I can see that people get hard at moving up with "aptitude" command |
| 03:47.25 | peterS | I think you need to be more specific then |
| 03:47.45 | math_ | this is a fresh new install, and this are the things i did: installed debian, installed sudo, installed xwindow-manager, installed fluxbox, installed firefox |
| 03:48.03 | Azar | math_: how are you accessing X? automatically at bootup, or by using the startx command? |
| 03:48.07 | Atomy | i installed sqwebmail but it was not working something went wrong starting it and the installer tried to stop it but don't even the stop worked so apt-get remove aborted i think |
| 03:48.15 | math_ | Azar: automatically |
| 03:48.16 | dererk | do anyone know a bash command to truncate a decimal number ? |
| 03:48.18 | math_ | with xdm |
| 03:48.28 | dererk | For example, 21.2 to 21 |
| 03:48.34 | Azar | math_: ah I see.... I don't have .dm |
| 03:48.46 | peterS | dererk: oh if you want to truncate to an integer, just ${foo%.*} |
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| 03:48.52 | peterS | where $foo is your number |
| 03:48.59 | math_ | hmm it was there without knowing |
| 03:49.32 | dererk | peterS, let me check |
| 03:49.36 | Azar | math_: xdm comes as default, I forced removed it just because.... not for other reason |
| 03:49.54 | peterS | dererk: so for example: foo=21.2; echo $foo becomes ${foo%.*} |
| 03:50.00 | math_ | Azar: but that must not be the problem I gues? |
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| 03:50.15 | Azar | math_: I am curious, how you access root then? |
| 03:50.27 | math_ | how? |
| 03:50.28 | Azar | ... if you boot in X? |
| 03:50.43 | math_ | im not running as root |
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| 03:51.00 | Azar | yes, but if you need to go root.... how you do it? |
| 03:51.12 | math_ | ah |
| 03:51.16 | math_ | from the xdm? |
| 03:51.27 | math_ | I think it cant :P |
| 03:51.32 | Azar | I guess from xdm, no other way.. |
| 03:51.36 | Azar | haha |
| 03:51.38 | math_ | :P |
| 03:51.49 | Azar | well there is a way I guess |
| 03:51.59 | Azar | get a F term without X on it |
| 03:52.01 | math_ | well yes... I removed it also :P |
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| 03:52.39 | Azar | I guess from F1.. up to F6 is possible |
| 03:52.41 | math_ | anyway... when you have sudo isntalled, u dont need to login as root I gues? |
| 03:52.44 | user01 | has anyone tried crossover office? |
| 03:53.13 | peterS | math_, Azar: why are we talking about root or sudo at all? apparently math_ is not using sudo here. |
| 03:53.20 | peterS | at least, that's what he said |
| 03:53.28 | math_ | peterS: true |
| 03:53.37 | Azar | peterS: just curious, never used xdm... |
| 03:53.42 | math_ | :) |
| 03:54.00 | user01 | im trying to figure out a way to trick program into thinking an iso image is a cdrom device |
| 03:54.00 | peterS | I wonder if the /usr/bin/firefox script is doing something stupid with the HOME variable |
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| 03:54.04 | Azar | when I get the gui login I panic, so I removed xdm |
| 03:54.09 | peterS | that's like the only thing I can think of, if you aren't using sudo or anything like that |
| 03:54.13 | math_ | anyway... its not the best option to add xhost + and xhost - I gues? |
| 03:54.23 | peterS | user01: what, you want to eject your iso image? |
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| 03:54.38 | dendrite | math_: xhost idea is very ... icky. |
| 03:54.46 | SogniX | can someone point me to documentation or provide me with help on how to mont my hard drive from the installer CD? I need to go in and fix a corrupt boot file. |
| 03:54.51 | math_ | yes well... I cant find another option |
| 03:55.03 | Azar | math_: firefox is better kept secure, and I would think that move was not very safe |
| 03:55.12 | peterS | math_: xhost + works as a workaround, but it would be nice to track down the actual bug |
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| 03:55.21 | user01 | peterS: no i have it mounted in a directory...and when i run it i want the windows program to see it as a cd-rom device |
| 03:55.44 | peterS | user01: ask in some other channel then, this is #debian |
| 03:55.51 | peterS | we're not too interested in windows programs |
| 03:56.00 | math_ | hmm yes... also when I type 'whoami' it says math :/ |
| 03:56.00 | dendrite | math_: Did you pastebin the output of a shell session where you try to run ff (without the xhost hack) ? |
| 03:56.19 | user01 | peterS: im running it under cross over office under debian :P |
| 03:56.21 | streuner | haha |
| 03:56.27 | math_ | dendrite: I will pastebin it, sec. :) |
| 03:56.38 | peterS | user01: that sounds like a question for codeweavers, then (the people who sell crossover office) |
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| 03:56.52 | user01 | well im trying it under wine too... |
| 03:56.54 | peterS | user01: in general you can't pretend a file is a CD-ROM drive, but maybe they have code for this |
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| 03:57.19 | user01 | peterS: i was looking for a program like daemon tools |
| 03:58.00 | math_ | dam i forgot where the firefox start-up script is :P |
| 03:58.11 | peterS | type 'which firefox' |
| 03:58.21 | math_ | /usr/bin/firefox ... nvm :) |
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| 03:59.21 | user01 | cdemu maybe . .. |
| 03:59.37 | resistance | what does inetd do? |
| 03:59.48 | math_ | oh, btw one thing, peterS and dendrite : firefox's about says its version 1.0.4 (a bit old dont u think?) :/ |
| 03:59.57 | peterS | resistance: starts up daemons when people try to connect to specific network ports on your machine |
| 04:00.00 | PerfDave | resistance: man inetd |
| 04:00.10 | math_ | why it installed that old version btw |
| 04:00.24 | peterS | math_: probably because you're running debian stable |
| 04:00.30 | dendrite | math_: What flavor of Debian? Sarge? |
| 04:00.30 | math_ | peterS: true |
| 04:00.34 | math_ | sarge |
| 04:00.41 | streuner | math_: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 04:00.57 | math_ | paster bot? |
| 04:01.02 | streuner | !paste |
| 04:01.02 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 04:01.23 | math_ | i did that command streuner |
| 04:01.30 | math_ | nothing happend...? |
| 04:01.44 | kupesoft | Where can I read up about turning a debian installation in to a wireless router? |
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| 04:01.59 | streuner | DOH, his browser doesn't work, i forgot |
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| 04:02.25 | Azar | links :) |
| 04:02.28 | dendrite | streuner: I guess he could use a text-mode browser... |
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| 04:02.35 | Math^ | back, sorry |
| 04:02.44 | Math^ | paste bot? |
| 04:02.48 | streuner | sure, but do you think really he set that up actually? |
| 04:02.49 | dendrite | Math^: Try a text mode browser, maybe lynx, links, or w3m |
| 04:03.03 | smatt | I've pieced an old server together and managed to netinstall debian today. i'd like to attempt making a raid-0 with the two identical scsi drives that are unused in this system |
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| 04:03.17 | streuner | Math^: or just /j #flood |
| 04:03.33 | Math^ | what about: /msg dpkg paste |
| 04:03.34 | dendrite | Math^: Or, if when you run 'firefox' it only generates one or two lines, then just paste those lines directly in the channel... |
| 04:03.37 | smatt | can anyone recommend a good tutorial on how to do this? |
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| 04:03.44 | Math^ | !paste |
| 04:03.44 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 04:05.21 | smatt | i tried to set it up when i was installing debian, but it would never autodiscover anything |
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| 04:05.36 | smatt | it does see the drives though |
| 04:05.48 | teledyn_ | i put set noautoindent in /etc/vim/vimrc but it is being ignored. the new debian config for vim is causing a lot of annoying problems like this |
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| 04:06.10 | Math^ | I dont know who asked to pastebin my sources.list, but here it is: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5188 |
| 04:06.37 | liable | smatt: http://www.jochem.name/Debian-Sarge-Raid1-mdadm |
| 04:06.42 | dendrite | Math^: I was more interested in the error messages your firefox session (without the xhost hack) generates... |
| 04:06.47 | dererk | peterS, Thanks bud, it worked cool! :) |
| 04:06.53 | Math^ | dendrite: ok |
| 04:06.53 | smatt | liable: thanks |
| 04:06.55 | peterS | dererk: good deal |
| 04:07.18 | Math^ | dendrite: omg... |
| 04:07.21 | user01 | peterS: this looks like it might work: http://www.serve.com/xywwweb/oed.shtml#linux |
| 04:07.26 | Math^ | dendrite: wait |
| 04:07.40 | streuner | Math^: hm, how did you do that without a browser? |
| 04:07.49 | Azar | another string of gossips about the Etch release: http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39285649,00.htm |
| 04:07.58 | dendrite | streuner: He put xhost + at the start of his ff startup script. |
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| 04:08.30 | Math^ | streuner: i used that script |
| 04:08.33 | Math^ | erm |
| 04:08.43 | Math^ | I added the xhost + and xhost - in firefox |
| 04:08.46 | Math^ | but now... |
| 04:08.54 | Math^ | ive removed it from the firefox script |
| 04:09.05 | Math^ | and it works now without that :/ |
| 04:09.10 | Math^ | realy strange |
| 04:09.21 | kupesoft | Where can I read up about turning a debian installation in to a wireless router? |
| 04:09.23 | Math^ | maybe he made a new config for me |
| 04:09.41 | liable | kupesoft: google hostap |
| 04:09.43 | dendrite | Math^: *shrug* |
| 04:09.49 | streuner | Math^: that's a desktop system, right? |
| 04:09.58 | Math^ | what i have? |
| 04:10.02 | streuner | Math^: yes |
| 04:10.06 | Math^ | fluxbox |
| 04:10.26 | Math^ | how weird |
| 04:10.45 | streuner | Math^: /msg dpkg backports |
| 04:11.08 | Math^ | so I had to add: xhost + and xhost - in the firefox script so I could run firefox, now he made a new config and I can remove the xhost +/- from the script :/ |
| 04:11.22 | liable | gah, why would you bother with sarge and backports now? i would rather have any potential bugs from etch than bugs from backports |
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| 04:12.02 | Math^ | streuner: what? |
| 04:12.09 | Math^ | ./msg dpkg backports ? |
| 04:12.23 | streuner | !backports |
| 04:12.23 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 04:12.48 | user01 | peterS: Tell Wine that /oed is a CD-ROM: make this entry in the config file: is there just one universal config file for wine? |
| 04:13.01 | Math^ | streuner: what you mean by that? |
| 04:13.11 | Math^ | streuner: need to add something to my sources.list? |
| 04:13.17 | streuner | Math^: just visit backports.org |
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| 04:13.22 | PerfDave | Azar: Good god. A poll on debian-administration is now news? Next zdnet headline will be "Slashdot users rebel against site owners, calling them insensitive clods in a poll" |
| 04:13.29 | peterS | user01: that's a question I think you can find the answer to on your own |
| 04:13.43 | user01 | peterS: im searching . . . |
| 04:13.50 | peterS | user01: especially if you've paid for a copy of crossover office, surely it comes with either documentation or tech support.. |
| 04:14.02 | Azar | haha |
| 04:14.06 | user01 | peterS: im using wine right now not crossover office |
| 04:14.10 | streuner | liable: why not... (etch...) |
| 04:14.25 | Azar | streuner I found this, maybe same issue that math_ has: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2005/08/03/0001.html |
| 04:14.34 | Math^ | streuner: ah ok... can i use non-stable ? |
| 04:15.04 | liable | streuner: i said I would use etch, not backports |
| 04:15.08 | Math^ | streuner: if is change stable to non-stable in my sources.list thats all i need to change? |
| 04:15.22 | dendrite | Math^: Is your system working OK for you? If so, I'd think twice about changing stuff.... |
| 04:15.28 | streuner | liable: yes. |
| 04:15.35 | Math^ | dendrite: this is just a fresh install :) |
| 04:15.45 | user01 | peterS: my question b4 was if anyone had used it |
| 04:15.46 | streuner | Math^: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 04:16.15 | Math^ | ha |
| 04:16.25 | Math^ | what does /msg dpkg do? |
| 04:16.36 | Math^ | nothing happend here |
| 04:16.43 | streuner | Math^: the package called nowadays 'iceweasel' NOT firefox |
| 04:16.45 | dendrite | Math^: sends a PM to the bot, asking about "stable->testing" in that case. |
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| 04:16.58 | Math^ | ooh |
| 04:17.01 | inono | whats the package name for manuals of common C functions like gets, strcmp, etc? |
| 04:17.11 | dendrite | Math^: do /msg dpkg ... in your IRC client, not on the command line shell. |
| 04:17.13 | streuner | Math^: what irc-client do you use? |
| 04:17.21 | Math^ | irssi |
| 04:17.31 | streuner | so listen to dendrite |
| 04:17.45 | Math^ | oh... |
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| 04:17.59 | Math^ | everything after /msg dpkg will be send? |
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| 04:18.26 | dendrite | Math^: Anyhow, so "/msg dpkg stable->testing" pm's the bot, and the bot will PM you back with useful info. |
| 04:19.07 | Math^ | dendrite: ah thats why... i use irssi for some days |
| 04:19.19 | dendrite | Math^: irssi rocks. :-) |
| 04:19.21 | Math^ | but how can i go to my pm |
| 04:19.33 | streuner | TAB |
| 04:19.36 | dendrite | Math^: <esc># where # is the screen number with the pm. |
| 04:19.43 | inono | anyone? |
| 04:20.05 | dendrite | Math^: or CTRL+n to go to next irssi window... |
| 04:20.14 | Math^ | ooh |
| 04:20.21 | Math^ | thnx :D |
| 04:20.35 | dendrite | Math^: irssi window 1 is usually server messages, and so on... |
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| 04:20.41 | Math^ | :) |
| 04:20.43 | Math^ | thnx |
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| 04:21.25 | Math^ | but ok... i want to install the latest release of firefox, can I just add unstable in my sources.list? |
| 04:21.34 | dendrite | Math^: NO |
| 04:21.53 | Math^ | not only for firefox |
| 04:22.04 | dendrite | Math^: Avoid unstable. |
| 04:22.10 | sid | Math^: that would be a foolish thing to do. |
| 04:22.21 | Math^ | yes but I am a bit foolish :) |
| 04:22.24 | dendrite | Math^: Avoid, avoid, avoid. Until you know why you should avoid, avoid. |
| 04:22.37 | Math^ | no, this is just a fresh install and I want to try debian with fluxbox on it :) |
| 04:22.41 | sid | !tell Math^ about backports |
| 04:22.57 | Azar | streuner: back in 2004 there is a similar firefox bug reported :) |
| 04:22.59 | dendrite | Math^: I suggest migrating to etch. Etch is "testing" |
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| 04:23.34 | streuner | Math^: etch have everything you need. |
| 04:23.37 | Math^ | ok |
| 04:23.40 | streuner | s/have/has/ |
| 04:23.56 | dendrite | Math^: Backports would probably just muddy the waters for you, so I don't know that I'd do that... |
| 04:24.16 | streuner | he want newer 'firefox'... |
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| 04:24.23 | Azar | ahhhh I see |
| 04:24.31 | willzzz | ok i need someone here who's an expert on iptables, sshd |
| 04:24.41 | willzzz | my debian server recently stopped responding to remote ssh logins |
| 04:24.42 | Math^ | well if someone can help with my sources.list using pastebin? |
| 04:24.44 | dendrite | willzzz: Just ask your question. |
| 04:24.52 | Azar | hehe I won't be surprised that the bug found in 2004 never be fixed on our Debian Sarge firefox version |
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| 04:24.55 | dendrite | Math^: Did you /msg dpkg ? |
| 04:25.02 | willzzz | i know have it physically connected to my monitor, i can login locally for ssh (localhost) but not remotly |
| 04:25.12 | willzzz | ip networking is working fine since i can connect to other services on my server |
| 04:25.24 | Azar | Math^: you might want to read how to prepare for the upgrade to etch? |
| 04:26.09 | Azar | Math^: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:26.12 | dendrite | willzzz: is sshd bound to foreign address 0.0.0.0:* ? |
| 04:26.40 | willzzz | not bound to any address, i have that option in my config commented out |
| 04:26.49 | willzzz | well i'm assuming it's bound to the default eth0 |
| 04:26.57 | dendrite | willzzz: I mean, is it configured to allow remote connections? |
| 04:27.09 | Math^ | Azar: thnx for the link |
| 04:27.22 | dendrite | willzzz: Local address, I mean. |
| 04:27.34 | willzzz | yes |
| 04:27.42 | Math^ | but its not a problem to install debian again, this is just a fresh new install |
| 04:27.57 | dendrite | willzzz: And you say you have iptables configured... Are you allowing inbount TCP on the port that sshd is listening on? |
| 04:28.06 | Math^ | but if it is just a way of adding new repositories, that would be fine |
| 04:28.08 | streuner | PerfDave: well, true, but he found the way to #debian... |
| 04:28.11 | Azar | awww ok.. |
| 04:28.23 | willzzz | i don't have any rules @ all on the iptables (this server is for my internal network testing, i have a router doing the real firewall work) |
| 04:28.27 | dendrite | Math^: That's a good place to be when learning, but you may learn more if you actually try to avoid reinstalling. |
| 04:28.43 | Math^ | dendrite: yes, ok :P |
| 04:28.47 | willzzz | it's just not responding to remote ssh requests |
| 04:28.58 | willzzz | it's weird, i can ssh into localhost on the machine and it works fine |
| 04:28.59 | dendrite | willzzz: And does ssh -v (on remote) give any clues? |
| 04:29.02 | PerfDave | dendrite: Yeah, like learning how to end up with an unbootable system :) |
| 04:29.05 | liable | suppositories?? haha |
| 04:29.11 | Math^ | dendrite: its true... but it is double hard for me, becouse my english is also not that realy good |
| 04:29.16 | dendrite | PerfDave: Hopefully not. |
| 04:29.27 | Xenguy | willzzz: /etc/hosts.allow ? |
| 04:29.29 | dendrite | Math^: You could have fooled me, your English seems fine. :-) |
| 04:29.35 | Azar | liable, you have not been around when the "suppositories" guy did his number here |
| 04:29.45 | Math^ | dendrite: thnx for the compliment :) |
| 04:30.20 | liable | Azar: what are you talking about? |
| 04:30.21 | Math^ | most dutch people can speak and write better english then I do |
| 04:30.53 | Math^ | so yes... in my country im not that realy good at english ;) |
| 04:31.00 | Dewi | I've noticed that too |
| 04:31.08 | dendrite | willzzz: What does "netstat -plunt | grep -w 22" say? |
| 04:31.18 | willzzz | i think i fixed it |
| 04:31.25 | dendrite | willzzz: Ah, what was it? |
| 04:31.33 | Azar | liable: about two years ago we got a stalker here... I think he was having that speech impairment, anyways, I hope someone logged it it was damn funny... |
| 04:31.36 | willzzz | the hosts.allow, i configured it wrong and the new config applied when i rebooted the server for a kernel upgrade |
| 04:31.48 | Xenguy | willzzz: mwuhaha |
| 04:31.50 | Azar | too sad I did not logged it |
| 04:31.57 | willzzz | made a silly mistake in the ip rules... i put 192.168.0.0./255.255.255.0 |
| 04:32.10 | willzzz | should have been 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 (my local network) |
| 04:32.26 | Azar | eh wait for ipv6 hex numbers.. that gonna be fun |
| 04:32.43 | Math^ | anyway, i want to do the easy way, and thats installing debian again, the testing one, where should I download it? |
| 04:32.58 | Azar | Math^: upgrading is easier |
| 04:33.04 | Math^ | oh :X |
| 04:33.17 | Math^ | im using sarge |
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| 04:33.23 | willzzz | remember: always double check your firewall rules when related to networking.. or else you can firewall yourself out of your server |
| 04:33.29 | dendrite | Math^: Where did you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 04:33.40 | Math^ | dendrite: lets scroll up :) |
| 04:33.41 | Azar | Math^: yep just read the link I gave you... skip what you do not think applies for you: backups and stuff.. |
| 04:33.41 | Math^ | brb |
| 04:33.42 | Xenguy | willzzz: remember - always thank the people who help you on IRC =) |
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| 04:34.52 | Math^ | well ok... lets read the whole text :P |
| 04:35.04 | Math^ | oh one thing |
| 04:35.12 | Math^ | how do i setup the time? |
| 04:35.21 | streuner | !set time |
| 04:35.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple (or just ntp in >= etch) to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 04:35.22 | Math^ | (the terminal way) |
| 04:35.32 | Azar | Math^: upgrading is not so hard... and I guess it goes faster, just need to inform yourself about some points.. on that text |
| 04:35.33 | Math^ | ok! :) |
| 04:35.50 | Math^ | Azar: ok, thnx :) |
| 04:35.59 | streuner | Math^: read the releases-notes what Azar told you before |
| 04:36.23 | streuner | Math^: in case something doesn't work, just come back here. |
| 04:36.25 | Xenguy | Math^: this may work: /usr/sbin/rdate -s time.nrc.ca && /sbin/hwclock --systohc |
| 04:36.53 | Math^ | dont have rdate :P |
| 04:37.01 | Xenguy | Math^: oh well |
| 04:37.10 | Math^ | streuner: ok |
| 04:37.50 | streuner | Math^: keep a 'Rescue-System' handy |
| 04:37.55 | willzzz | thanks xenguy... just got my server all settled now :) |
| 04:37.56 | streuner | always |
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| 04:38.23 | Xenguy | willzzz: heh - happy to hear it |
| 04:38.24 | streuner | grml is find or knoppix |
| 04:38.29 | streuner | s/find/fine/ |
| 04:38.32 | Math^ | streuner: I got 2 other pc's here :) |
| 04:38.36 | streuner | ok |
| 04:38.39 | Math^ | ;) |
| 04:40.02 | stoned | happy happy joy joy |
| 04:42.27 | streuner | PerfDave: satisfied now? ;-) |
| 04:43.30 | streuner | PerfDave: and wth are you awake at this time? :-) |
| 04:43.49 | streuner | So 28. Jan 05:43:52 CET 2007 |
| 04:45.15 | stoned | hey man |
| 04:45.20 | stoned | what is that? |
| 04:45.26 | stoned | CET |
| 04:45.45 | streuner | Central-European-Time |
| 04:45.48 | stoned | oh |
| 04:46.21 | stoned | its sunday in europe/ |
| 04:46.28 | streuner | sure |
| 04:46.35 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:46.58 | stoned | I have a fry |
| 04:48.44 | Azar | hi stoned.. |
| 04:48.58 | stoned | hello |
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| 04:49.05 | stoned | how are you doing this feind evening |
| 04:49.06 | stoned | doh |
| 04:49.07 | stoned | fine* |
| 04:49.15 | Azar | reading about Dell? |
| 04:49.17 | stoned | wtf feind that one hulluva typo |
| 04:49.18 | Azar | :) |
| 04:49.21 | stoned | dellsucks.org |
| 04:49.22 | stoned | or net |
| 04:49.23 | stoned | something |
| 04:50.02 | nima | How do I change how XChat handles links? |
| 04:50.27 | streuner | nima: well, look harder in Menu |
| 04:50.28 | nima | I remember seeing it somewhere, but I can't find it |
| 04:50.48 | curt | settings > advanced > url handlers |
| 04:50.54 | nima | Ah, Thanks! |
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| 04:53.00 | streuner | interesting, shows opera, and it isn't installed here :-) |
| 04:53.50 | stoned | I can't stand opera. Did people really communicate that way ? |
| 04:53.53 | stoned | like sing to each other? |
| 04:54.00 | stoned | its seems awful incovenient |
| 04:54.04 | stoned | slow... |
| 04:54.17 | stoned | and what if someone couldn't sing, did you have to listen to em anyway? |
| 04:54.25 | stoned | opera sucks. |
| 04:54.33 | nima | I don't mind opera |
| 04:54.42 | nima | I'm not sure about the browser, thoug |
| 04:54.42 | stoned | I liek phantom of the opera |
| 04:54.43 | nima | h |
| 04:54.45 | stoned | I love the sound track |
| 04:56.36 | Azar | hmmm win32 loader for Debian Installer? wtf? |
| 04:56.47 | dendrite | Azar: url? |
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| 04:57.08 | Azar | dendrite: http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2007/01/msg01083.html << what is that good for? |
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| 04:57.56 | Azar | to install Debian with a windows PC? |
| 04:58.22 | dendrite | Azar: Could be the basis for an interesting worm... =) |
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| 04:59.27 | Azar | hmm I needed that like four years ago... now is to late.. I got to do it myself on a brand new PC |
| 04:59.35 | Azar | os-less pc I mean |
| 05:01.14 | Azar | hehe: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ nice |
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| 05:01.28 | BrianSteffens | hi, anyone here ever used poptop vpn server? |
| 05:02.43 | Azar | wow grub for dos... |
| 05:05.03 | Math^ | lol |
| 05:05.19 | Math^ | it seems everything works fine bytheway |
| 05:05.46 | Math^ | i got a lot of questions... i just answered what it was on |
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| 05:06.18 | streuner | sure, you can change that later if needed |
| 05:06.24 | Math^ | uhu |
| 05:06.45 | Math^ | in ubuntu i only had to do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade I think |
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| 05:07.14 | Mulder_ | when compiling from debian sources, how do you add ./configure options in? |
| 05:07.47 | liable | in the debian/rules file |
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| 05:09.04 | Mulder_ | alright cheers |
| 05:09.41 | Azar | mr Towns gives explanations to the media about "why Etch was not released in time (Dec 4).. heh |
| 05:09.46 | Math^ | !portmap |
| 05:09.46 | dpkg | i heard portmap is for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
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| 05:10.21 | Math^ | think i have to reboot :) |
| 05:10.28 | Math^ | new kernel and stuff installed |
| 05:11.21 | streuner | Math^: wait |
| 05:11.27 | Math^ | streuner: yes |
| 05:11.30 | streuner | Math^: don't touch portmap |
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| 05:11.45 | streuner | it doesn't hurd (installed) |
| 05:11.48 | Math^ | streuner: I got some question about it |
| 05:11.55 | Math^ | i just entered the default |
| 05:12.05 | Math^ | default option |
| 05:12.44 | Math^ | think i can reboot now? |
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| 05:13.02 | Azar | awwww, guys you have read the interview? just for kicks? |
| 05:13.38 | bucky | Azar: url? |
| 05:13.56 | Azar | http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=189708751&rid=-219 |
| 05:14.17 | bucky | tnx |
| 05:14.23 | Mulder_ | when you apt-get source <package> and it unpacks the source for you, does it apply the debian .diff to that unpacked source? or is unpatched? |
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| 05:14.31 | streuner | mathez: if you want a gurantee everything works well? Well, nobody could say that... |
| 05:14.34 | Azar | haha: if it did not worked (the timeline) blame it on the French.. funny |
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| 05:15.01 | Math^ | hello, back again |
| 05:15.05 | Azar | yee! wb Math |
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| 05:15.09 | Math^ | got some grub prob? |
| 05:15.15 | streuner | heh |
| 05:15.18 | Azar | me? never |
| 05:15.23 | Math^ | no me |
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| 05:15.29 | Math^ | cant startup the laptop |
| 05:15.34 | Azar | aw.. grub... |
| 05:15.42 | Azar | !spank grub |
| 05:15.54 | Math^ | minial bash-like ... |
| 05:15.58 | Math^ | dont know what to do? |
| 05:16.11 | Azar | Math^: what kernel version? |
| 05:16.13 | Math^ | grub>_ |
| 05:16.20 | Math^ | erm... |
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| 05:16.35 | liable | Math^: try the old kernel |
| 05:16.35 | Math^ | dont know |
| 05:16.47 | Azar | I have the feeling that the kernel should have been upped as well |
| 05:17.01 | Azar | that what I did when I upgraded to Etch |
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| 05:17.11 | Math^ | liable: how |
| 05:17.14 | Azar | but I use lilo, don't know about grubbie |
| 05:17.22 | bwlang | Math: grub is your friend... you just need to learn to use it. I can read your disk so you'll be able to search for your kernel |
| 05:18.29 | bwlang | Math: first step is to do root (hd0,0) -- assuming /boot is your first partition |
| 05:19.05 | bucky | Mulder_: sometimes you've got to export PATCH_THE_KERNEL=AUTO before you fakeroot make-kpkg |
| 05:19.18 | Math^ | ok root (hd0,0) done |
| 05:19.53 | bwlang | math: now you want to use the kernel command |
| 05:20.04 | bwlang | kernel /vmlinuz-blah blah |
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| 05:20.54 | Math^ | ./vmlinux-blablablablah doesnt work :) |
| 05:21.04 | bwlang | that name is going to depend on your particular system.... you'll also need to pass a couple of arguments, eg root=/dev/hda2 |
| 05:21.08 | Mulder_ | bucky, alright thankks |
| 05:21.19 | bwlang | or whatever your / is located |
| 05:21.25 | liable | normally, just a setup (hd0) works |
| 05:21.37 | bwlang | Math: try tab completion ... |
| 05:21.41 | grendal_prime | hey ...you know ive never paid that much attention to this..but at work someone got all werid cause the memoroy utilization was so high on the linux box..linux will use as much memory as it cann correct? |
| 05:21.46 | liable | root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); quit |
| 05:21.50 | bucky | Mulder_: sometimes --added-patches=mypatch just works |
| 05:22.06 | liable | grendal_prime: yes |
| 05:22.07 | Math^ | setup (hd0) works, now what...? |
| 05:22.11 | bwlang | grendal_prime - yep ... it will use whatever it can for disk cache |
| 05:22.15 | grendal_prime | like i mean will it run at 70% pretty consistantly? |
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| 05:22.23 | Math^ | when I type boot it says: kernel must be loaded first |
| 05:22.35 | bwlang | Math^: so you got a good kernel line? do you need an initrd? |
| 05:22.55 | bwlang | Math^: so you did not get a good kernel line... |
| 05:23.07 | bwlang | Math: what's the path to your kernel |
| 05:23.15 | Math^ | bwlang: i realy dont know |
| 05:23.42 | bwlang | math: well... use the tab completion force - what happens when you do kernel /<tab> |
| 05:23.50 | Math^ | erm nothing...? |
| 05:23.55 | liable | bwlang: are you sure you need to do that? i havent ever added the kernel line when using the grub shell |
| 05:24.07 | Math^ | bwlang: kernel <TAB> ? |
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| 05:24.14 | grendal_prime | ya...use grub...what the hell |
| 05:24.15 | brad_ | speaking of memory, in linux, files are pulled into memory when they are be ran, where as winblows is puts a lock on a file which makes it easy for backups and editing hard to do. Does anyone disagree with that? |
| 05:24.34 | brad_ | easy + hard |
| 05:24.39 | Math^ | ah yes kernel /<TAB> got a whole list |
| 05:24.40 | bwlang | liable: well you have to tell it somehow where the kernel is... |
| 05:24.44 | brad_ | easy = hard |
| 05:24.45 | grendal_prime | tobin? |
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| 05:25.24 | Math^ | bwlang: kernel /....? |
| 05:25.38 | bwlang | brad_: i don't think it's hard to do backups in linux.. you just need to do a snapshot (i use xfs) |
| 05:25.53 | bwlang | Math: do you see a reasonable kernel in your list? |
| 05:26.00 | Math^ | bwlang: nothing there |
| 05:26.05 | Math^ | only subdirectories |
| 05:26.20 | bwlang | Math: well... is one of the boot? |
| 05:26.30 | Math^ | yes |
| 05:26.38 | bwlang | Math: your kernels are probably in there |
| 05:26.42 | Math^ | k |
| 05:26.51 | Math^ | but pressing tab again it gives me grub |
| 05:26.53 | grendal_prime | Math^: how exactly did you wind up with this linux thing? |
| 05:26.55 | Math^ | /boot/grub |
| 05:27.12 | bwlang | Math: only grub? |
| 05:27.16 | Math^ | yes |
| 05:27.34 | bwlang | Math: uhhhh... i don't know where your kernels are... |
| 05:27.47 | bwlang | Math: do you have multiple partitions? |
| 05:28.21 | Math^ | grendal_prime: Im using Ubuntu for an half year from now, Im just curious :) |
| 05:28.38 | Math^ | curious to other distros and stuff |
| 05:28.50 | Math^ | bwlang: erm just the home part |
| 05:29.00 | Math^ | think I did something wrong :P |
| 05:29.02 | bucky | in ubuntu when you press tab twice it erases all your kernels |
| 05:29.06 | Xenguy | Math^: I just switch back to Etch... |
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| 05:29.14 | liable | hehe |
| 05:29.22 | Math^ | its not a big prob |
| 05:29.22 | bwlang | bucky: BS - grub is only reading the filesystem |
| 05:29.28 | Math^ | this system is for testing |
| 05:29.33 | Xenguy | ... from ubu |
| 05:29.48 | Math^ | well ok... |
| 05:29.51 | bucky | bwlang: you're defending ubuntu? |
| 05:30.10 | Math^ | I think its better to do a new install ;) |
| 05:30.13 | liable | Math^: for shits and giggles. root (hd0,0); setup (hd0); quit reboot |
| 05:30.42 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:30.46 | bwlang | Math: well - that's good. You could probably boot from a rescue disk (eg RIP) and replace the kernel |
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| 05:31.33 | bwlang | liable: that setup command just installs grub to the mbr... it's already there if he has access to the grub command line |
| 05:31.37 | Azar | bucky you read that interview? |
| 05:31.41 | brad_ | bwlang: I was it's easy because of the way linux handles memory, but it's a pain with Windows. |
| 05:31.55 | bucky | Azar: yup.. i laughed a little |
| 05:31.56 | brad_ | fuck i cannot write tonight |
| 05:32.06 | Azar | bucky: yep it is funny |
| 05:32.28 | bwlang | brad_: can't speak for windows... but it's not trivial to do a coherent backup in linux without snapshots, because files can be written as they are read |
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| 05:32.40 | bucky | i just used the etch installer for amd64 and it was really nice |
| 05:32.55 | Azar | all I got was: "yep they were right, but in a final their way gets Debian better" lol |
| 05:33.02 | Math^ | so... is there some way to download the etch version iso? or do i just have to upgrade? |
| 05:33.22 | streuner | Math^: try to fix that first |
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| 05:33.30 | Azar | Math^: feel free to experiment with both if you got the time |
| 05:33.36 | streuner | Math^: you'll need it soon or later, anyway... |
| 05:33.40 | Math^ | too much time :) |
| 05:33.54 | Azar | Math^: it is said that the Etch installer is fun |
| 05:34.02 | bucky | with new the hardware detection scheme i didn't end up with every possible module loaded whether i have the hardware or not... which was nice |
| 05:34.38 | streuner | Math^: you could install every kernel via chroot, if they aren't exist anymore |
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| 05:35.03 | bucky | i used to have to recompile the kernel without the modules i didn't want because just blacklisting them didn't work |
| 05:35.04 | Math^ | well... lets try again :P |
| 05:35.20 | bucky | so.. i feel like it was worth waiting for |
| 05:35.27 | Azar | heck I remember I upgraded to Etch back in July and I haven't had one single hiccup.. ofcourse I upgraded the kernel right away.. |
| 05:35.29 | Math^ | I dont care... gonna install sarge again, then I will read all stuff over again ;) |
| 05:35.55 | Azar | Math^: that release-notes for upgrading are really good ... help a lot |
| 05:36.01 | Math^ | uhu |
| 05:36.05 | Math^ | can u give me that link again? |
| 05:36.09 | Azar | sure |
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| 05:36.28 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 05:36.46 | bucky | i love debian.. i just don't like bloaty distros |
| 05:36.48 | Math^ | Im just... sometimes a bit inpatient :) |
| 05:36.57 | Azar | eh, take time |
| 05:37.00 | Math^ | impatient |
| 05:37.10 | streuner | not only you :-) |
| 05:37.12 | bucky | i was an inpatient |
| 05:37.13 | Math^ | hehe |
| 05:37.30 | Xenguy | bucky: patience conquers all :-) |
| 05:37.31 | bucky | on a lock down ward |
| 05:37.31 | Azar | ofcourse I am running Sarge without a desktop... just X and openbox... so I do not know how gnome or kde and other stuff behave on an upgrade.. |
| 05:37.40 | Xenguy | hah |
| 05:37.44 | Math^ | yes well... honest am I ha? |
| 05:38.25 | streuner | Azar: KDE or GNOME? ;-) |
| 05:38.29 | Math^ | anyway since I use Ubuntu my patient is better now :) |
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| 05:39.09 | Math^ | friend of mine still uses windows... he already get mad when the cdrom-drive cant load in 1 sec. |
| 05:39.16 | Math^ | :X |
| 05:39.20 | Xenguy | Math^: I just switched back to Debian and have never been happier |
| 05:39.29 | Math^ | Xenguy: nice :) |
| 05:39.45 | Math^ | im just curius |
| 05:39.51 | Math^ | i like to test things |
| 05:39.52 | streuner | Everything works fine, if you know HOW :-) â„¢ |
| 05:39.58 | Xenguy | Math^: it's a question of bugginess IMHO |
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| 05:40.23 | Math^ | man IMHO |
| 05:40.25 | Math^ | lol |
| 05:40.32 | Xenguy | wtf imho |
| 05:40.42 | Math^ | ok the wtf part I understoot :P |
| 05:40.45 | Xenguy | in my humble opinion |
| 05:40.49 | Math^ | :o |
| 05:41.06 | hark | !wtf |
| 05:41.08 | Xenguy | apt-cache show wtf |
| 05:41.11 | Math^ | hark lol! |
| 05:41.25 | Math^ | sudo apt-get install wtf |
| 05:41.43 | Math^ | hmm... bytheway Xenguy |
| 05:41.45 | hark | ~wtf |
| 05:42.00 | Math^ | I heard people talking about freebsd |
| 05:42.12 | Math^ | that it was better then linux and things |
| 05:42.31 | streuner | apt, start a OS war |
| 05:42.40 | hark | ah, that factoid is gone.. |
| 05:42.40 | Math^ | they also have seen lot of people switching to freebsd |
| 05:42.40 | streuner | apt, hi |
| 05:42.42 | apt | hello, streuner |
| 05:42.58 | Xenguy | Math^: that's not true anymore (since kernel 2.6 I think), but freebsd is a cousin to linux if you will... |
| 05:43.08 | Math^ | uhu |
| 05:43.20 | Math^ | they said freebsd is not a linux distro, but unix |
| 05:43.24 | teledyn_ | i put set noautoindent in /etc/vim/vimrc but it is being ignored. the new debian config for vim is causing a lot of annoying problems like this |
| 05:43.25 | Xenguy | Math^: IMHO the advantage is with linux because of the GPL license |
| 05:43.31 | madd_matt | Uh, I didn't know this, but debian uses a debian-sys-maint user for mysql. I accidentally changed the password. How do I find out the correct password for the account? |
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| 05:43.47 | Xenguy | Math^: yah, bsd unix, from the old days |
| 05:44.10 | Math^ | can i have the link again please? |
| 05:44.17 | Math^ | for upgrading to etch |
| 05:44.21 | teledyn_ | anyone? |
| 05:45.07 | Math^ | sorry |
| 05:45.10 | Math^ | got the link :) |
| 05:45.17 | teledyn_ | Math^: why not use google.com ? search for upgrading to etch |
| 05:45.22 | madd_matt | BSD has some advantages of that it is much less split, as linux is. There are 5-ish distros, all of which are fairly different. Linux, on the otherhand, is like a broken sheet of glass, with pieces all ove the place ;P |
| 05:45.40 | Xenguy | teledyn_: set noautoindent |
| 05:45.41 | Math^ | teledyn_: I thought it would be easier to ask :) |
| 05:45.50 | Xenguy | teledyn_: in ~/.vimrc |
| 05:46.35 | Xenguy | madd_matt: this may be a strength, not a weakness =) |
| 05:46.37 | teledyn_ | Xenguy: maybe, but "If you wish to change any of those settings, you should do it in this file (/etc/vim/vimrc)" |
| 05:46.40 | streuner | Math^: care to use d-i (debian-installer) etch? |
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| 05:47.06 | madd_matt | Xenguy, there's a reason i'm in ##linux and #debian; not #freebsd :P |
| 05:47.07 | Xenguy | teledyn_: do you want the changes to be local or global? |
| 05:47.14 | streuner | !d-i Math^ |
| 05:47.14 | dpkg | Math^, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 05:47.15 | teledyn_ | Xenguy: global, of course |
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| 05:47.22 | Xenguy | madd_matt: preaching to the converted again - oh well ;-) |
| 05:47.45 | Xenguy | teledyn_: then you have the right file - what I'm suggesting I guess is a 'local' test |
| 05:48.18 | streuner | Math^: you need to learn how to use grub, when something went wrong, how to use a rescue system, no matter which distro you use... |
| 05:48.25 | Azar | hehe streuner.. sorry I was trying to look at a video parody about windows 386 but heck Im not gonna use adobe |
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| 05:48.37 | teledyn_ | Xenguy: ah, i just noticed something, my set noautoindent occurs at the top of the file, before runtime! debian.vim. i think i know what's happening here. |
| 05:48.50 | Xenguy | teledyn_: aha! |
| 05:49.03 | Math^ | streuner: true... but ok |
| 05:49.21 | Azar | Xenic? |
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| 05:54.29 | jetscreamer | hey so if i have 2 nic's in one computer, connected to two different local routers, will/could the ip's assigned to each nic be a duplicate, if both networks were based on 192.x.x.x? and would the computer melt or something, or be able to keep the two seperate, and not accept from dhcp an ip that it already has assigned to another nic? |
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| 05:56.32 | Math^ | how I can run the netinstaller ? |
| 05:56.45 | Math^ | netboot.tar.gz |
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| 05:59.08 | Math^ | from a usb disk |
| 05:59.17 | Math^ | erm usbpen |
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| 06:00.07 | bwlang | jetscreamer: they would have to be different in order to route the packets properly... you could have 2 nics with the same ip and only one with a default route |
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| 06:00.49 | Bou-kun | www.lost.eu/17d63 |
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| 06:01.46 | linux_jones | how do i use xset to speed up my cursor? i know its xset m but i dont know how to form the rest of it |
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| 06:03.02 | Math^ | ;P |
| 06:03.10 | malf | Anyone know offhand if there's a standalone flash player I can grab for debian? |
| 06:03.23 | linux_jones | anyone? |
| 06:03.23 | malf | I saw what looked to be a plugin in non-free but didn't see anything standalone |
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| 06:05.15 | liable | linux_jones: xset m number |
| 06:05.30 | liable | linux_jones: play with it till you get a value you like |
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| 06:06.00 | linux_jones | liable, ya, but theres the acceleration and a thresh hold, and i dont know what the number represents |
| 06:06.08 | bucky | malf: kino can play flash movies.. like if you dl a youtube movie |
| 06:06.20 | Atomy1 | hi i'm reconfigure my locales i wonder how to select a language from the list ? pressing enter closes the config |
| 06:06.31 | liable | linux_jones: the threshold is how many pixles it moves before the acceleration is multiplied by number |
| 06:06.48 | liable | linux_jones: play with it |
| 06:06.59 | linux_jones | liable, ok thanks |
| 06:07.10 | malf | bucky: good to know. Thanks |
| 06:07.44 | Atomy1 | someone knows? =) |
| 06:08.10 | linux_jones | liable, do you by chance know what an average number is? just as a referance |
| 06:09.01 | liable | linux_jones: i think i set mine to 8, i have a trackpoint and i like it fast, or maybe it was 4, sec |
| 06:09.14 | linux_jones | liable, and do i have to restart x for the changes to take effect? |
| 06:09.32 | liable | linux_jones: no, and yeah, i set mine to 8 |
| 06:10.17 | linux_jones | hmm.. dosent seem to be doing anything |
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| 06:14.54 | bucky | liable: xset m 7 10 will set your mouse speed very fast. It may feel a bit jumpy on some systems |
| 06:15.28 | liable | bucky: yeah, it takes a while to get used to, but i like it (as i said i have a trackpoint) |
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| 06:18.22 | JordiGH | So if I want to get rid of those annoying boxes with hex codes in Firefox, specifically the ones relating to IPA symbols... what should I apt-get? |
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| 06:19.20 | liable | locales utf8? |
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| 06:26.18 | JordiGH | locales, wtf? |
| 06:26.23 | JordiGH | Maybe I should just apt-cache search for the IPA. |
| 06:26.43 | pabs3 | JordiGH: dejavu has em |
| 06:26.44 | d0uglas | most debian-like os to put on a pocket pc/smartphone? |
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| 06:47.58 | ferguscan | Can anyone describe how I can set up cpu frequency scaling, such that my CPUs are rigidly scaled all the way down when I'm on battery power, and scaled all the way up when I'm on AC power? |
| 06:48.02 | scx | how you tell the bot dto add something to the reply? |
| 06:48.22 | scx | like kill scx <reply> dpkg kills scx |
| 06:48.32 | scx | like kill everyone <reply> dpkg kills everyone |
| 06:48.34 | scx | ? |
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| 06:51.19 | proqesi | dto is a person |
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| 06:53.14 | Gokee2 | When compiling tiemu "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 06:54.51 | liable | is that all it says? x includes? |
| 06:55.13 | Gokee2 | Yes |
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| 06:55.48 | liable | not very helpfull |
| 06:55.54 | bucky | is xserver-xorg-dev installed? or xorg-dev? |
| 06:56.01 | liable | theres lots of x-dev stuff |
| 06:56.17 | bucky | xorg-dev is smaller |
| 06:56.58 | Gokee2 | xorg-dev needs 2 upgraded and 48 newly installed! |
| 06:58.12 | liable | yup |
| 06:59.00 | Gokee2 | At least I will be slightly happer compiling things after today seeing I have been forced to compile 5 things now |
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| 06:59.17 | Gokee2 | ti calculaters are a pain on linux |
| 07:00.12 | Gokee2 | Where is my config.log? |
| 07:01.03 | bucky | in your working directory? |
| 07:02.00 | Gokee2 | Ah! Yes it is :) |
| 07:02.26 | Gokee2 | less help then the compile script :/ |
| 07:02.44 | Gokee2 | It is really quite around here.... |
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| 07:06.04 | enouf | !tell Red_Cloud -about root |
| 07:06.36 | Gokee2 | Ouch, I have had that happen to me before |
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| 07:07.20 | enouf | !abromoo |
| 07:07.28 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 07:07.29 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 07:07.46 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
| 07:08.13 | Gokee2 | "checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!" I just tried libqt4-dev, what is it? |
| 07:09.10 | enouf | Gokee2: got build-essential installed? |
| 07:09.23 | Gokee2 | No... |
| 07:09.33 | enouf | !build-essential |
| 07:09.34 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 07:09.42 | Gokee2 | I mean yes |
| 07:09.56 | liable | the qt error has always been confusing |
| 07:09.57 | Gokee2 | "build-essential is already the newest version." |
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| 07:10.14 | enouf | Gokee2: how about kernel headers? |
| 07:10.16 | liable | Gokee2: theres qt3 one to iirc |
| 07:10.31 | Gokee2 | enouf, I don`t know... |
| 07:10.45 | Gokee2 | liable, iirc? I need iirc? |
| 07:10.49 | liable | enouf: why would he need kernel headers? |
| 07:10.52 | liable | !iirc |
| 07:10.52 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 07:10.55 | enouf | dunno |
| 07:12.20 | enouf | the message is a bit vague -> (headers and libraries) ,, but maybe it needs a certain glibc/g++/gcc version to build |
| 07:12.25 | liable | Gokee2: because obviously the qt4-dev package didnt have what the thing is looking for |
| 07:12.31 | hark | !confuse Gokee2 |
| 07:12.31 | dpkg | No, how is our mushroom tomorrow, Gokee2? shirts of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cheese |
| 07:13.06 | Gokee2 | libqt3-dev: Depends: libqt3-headers (= 3:3.3.4-3) but 3:3.3.7-3 is to be installed Depends: qt3-dev-tools (= 3:3.3.4-3) but 3:3.3.7-3 is to be installed |
| 07:13.15 | enouf | !cheesesteak hark |
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| 07:13.30 | hark | !cheesesmite enouf |
| 07:13.36 | enouf | heh |
| 07:13.38 | hark | aw |
| 07:13.51 | enouf | !comfort hark |
| 07:13.51 | dpkg | There, there, hark. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:15.04 | enouf | !tell ferguscan -about laptop |
| 07:15.58 | enouf | !tell ferguscan -about cpufreq |
| 07:16.16 | Gokee2 | How am I going to get libqt3-dev? apt-get says its impossible |
| 07:17.29 | enouf | Gokee2: check the BTS? ... also why are you building instead of pkg? |
| 07:17.43 | Gokee2 | BTS? |
| 07:18.05 | enouf | !tell Gokee2 -about bts |
| 07:18.15 | Gokee2 | enouf, Because there is no TiEmu 3 with GDB pck |
| 07:18.35 | enouf | Gokee2: /msg dkg bts .. and /msg dpkg search |
| 07:18.57 | enouf | Gokee2: ok .. dunno what those arwe nor what they do |
| 07:19.33 | Gokee2 | Its a TI calculater emulator |
| 07:19.33 | Gokee2 | I want to be able to write Ti Basic |
| 07:20.42 | enouf | Gokee2: /msg Chanserv list #qt* .. then /join one |
| 07:20.52 | Gokee2 | But have not found a way to in linux. Although tilem works I would need to click each number...... making it slower then programing on the calculater itself |
| 07:21.43 | hark | !info tiemu etch |
| 07:21.58 | dpkg | tiemu: (Texas Instruments calculators emulator), section math, is optional. Version: 2.00-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1663 kB, Installed size: 3512 kB |
| 07:22.11 | hark | ^^ there! |
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| 07:24.20 | Gokee2 | thats tiemu not tiemu3 with GDB |
| 07:24.34 | Gokee2 | I already install and uninstalled that pkg |
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| 07:24.42 | Gokee2 | installed* |
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| 07:25.25 | hark | hmm, try a build-dep with that maybe? |
| 07:26.17 | Gokee2 | build-dep? |
| 07:26.26 | Guerin | Gokee2: apt-get build-dep |
| 07:26.44 | Gokee2 | But I don`t use apt-get to compile? |
| 07:26.54 | Guerin | so? |
| 07:27.07 | Guerin | man apt-get |
| 07:27.12 | Guerin | read the bit about build-dep |
| 07:27.33 | liable | thats a good idea |
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| 07:27.53 | concept10 | gosh I hate tango icons, they look too cartoonish |
| 07:28.41 | kupesoft | I just installed the madwifi module and wish pass a parameter to the module when it's loaded. How do I do that? It doesn't seem to be listed in /etc/modules |
| 07:29.36 | liable | kupesoft: ask in #ubuntu, we dont know how ubuntu does it, and as you have already seen, it is a different package to the debian one |
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| 07:31.06 | sparr | don't you love it when the first hit on google for a question is yourself asking the same question on the relevant mailing list? :( |
| 07:31.19 | liable | heh |
| 07:31.26 | Gokee2 | "build-dep causes apt-get to install/remove packages in an attempt to satisfy the build dependencies for a source package." But there is no source pkg? |
| 07:32.26 | Guerin | Gokee2: what are you trying to build? |
| 07:32.29 | liable | Gokee2: the source package is the one you installed then removed. apt-get build-dep tiemu |
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| 07:32.51 | Gokee2 | Guerin, tiemu3 with gdb |
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| 07:33.15 | Guerin | Gokee2: the deps should be the same as tiemu, as liable said |
| 07:33.21 | Gokee2 | "E: Unable to find a source package for tiemu" |
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| 07:33.34 | Guerin | but if you don't grok this basic idfea, I have no idea why you're bothering to build something with GDB suppor |
| 07:33.37 | Guerin | t |
| 07:33.47 | liable | Gokee2: do you have source lines in source.list? |
| 07:33.48 | Gokee2 | If they were I would already have them from installing tiemu? |
| 07:33.49 | Guerin | Gokee2: you need a deb-src line in sources.list |
| 07:33.51 | teledyn_ | sparr: :-) |
| 07:34.02 | Bogus8 | I'm having problems with rw on an NFS share |
| 07:34.18 | Guerin | nfs for the hate |
| 07:34.19 | Bogus8 | It's giving me "pemission denied" when I try mkdir |
| 07:34.24 | Guerin | Bogus8: don't be root |
| 07:34.35 | Bogus8 | I tried setting the anonuid and gid |
| 07:34.40 | Bogus8 | I tried squash all |
| 07:34.48 | Guerin | fuck no |
| 07:34.57 | Bogus8 | nothing works... I feel like I've tried it all but obviously I haven't |
| 07:35.16 | Guerin | root_squash is evil |
| 07:35.21 | Guerin | just set your perms right |
| 07:35.26 | Bogus8 | Guerin: well, I didn't want to be accused of not trying ;) |
| 07:35.30 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:35.39 | Bogus8 | problem is my users ID's are different |
| 07:35.42 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:35.49 | Bogus8 | name and pass are the same |
| 07:36.00 | Guerin | so you probably want to leverage your ability to use groups |
| 07:36.04 | Bogus8 | nfs is surely secure as fuck but not easy ;) |
| 07:36.10 | Guerin | or synchronise your uids somewhat |
| 07:36.24 | Guerin | no, nfs is horribly INsecure despite all its evilness |
| 07:36.25 | Bogus8 | so there is no way to just check u/p ? |
| 07:36.37 | Guerin | you can use sshfs |
| 07:36.43 | Bogus8 | guess I'm just lame then ;) |
| 07:36.44 | Guerin | but it's quite immature |
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| 07:36.50 | Supaplex | !fuse |
| 07:36.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels. |
| 07:37.20 | Bogus8 | interesting |
| 07:37.20 | Guerin | all the other filesystem sharing infrastructure is even harder to set up than nfs, really |
| 07:37.33 | teledyn_ | wow sshfs is that new? |
| 07:37.38 | Guerin | sshfs is good, though it does introduce quite a lot of overhead |
| 07:37.47 | Bogus8 | I got samba working, but I'm getting less and less window boxes in my house ;) |
| 07:37.50 | Guerin | teledyn_: not *really8 new, but not old either |
| 07:37.59 | sparr | where/how can i modify a package's pre/post-install/uninstall/purge scripts? |
| 07:38.20 | Guerin | sparr: in the .deb or on the filesystem? |
| 07:38.23 | Supaplex | if you don't trust your network... don't use transparent file systems like nfs :p |
| 07:38.36 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: I do, it's my home network |
| 07:38.53 | Gokee2 | where do I find a src source? |
| 07:39.09 | Bogus8 | I hand those passwords out to everyone |
| 07:39.09 | sparr | Guerin: preferably on the filesystem. the install has already failed, i was under the impression that i can go edit the files in a cache somewhere for it to read next try |
| 07:39.24 | Guerin | sparr: yeah, they live in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 07:39.27 | Bogus8 | but ssh is on a different port and locked up with a DSA key |
| 07:39.45 | Guerin | Bogus8: you can run a second sshd on another port, on your internal network |
| 07:39.53 | StormBlade | hi all. how can i see flash apps in iceweasel |
| 07:40.00 | Guerin | you can even run an alternate implementation like lsh |
| 07:40.00 | liable | Gokee2: same as the ordinary ones, but instead of starting with deb, start with deb-src |
| 07:40.06 | Guerin | StormBlade: /msg dpkg flash |
| 07:40.09 | Bogus8 | Guerin: it's normal IN the network.. just the natted port is odd |
| 07:40.28 | Guerin | Bogus8: oh, no worries, then. As long as your client boxen have the key ... |
| 07:40.47 | Bogus8 | Guerin: yes, pain in the ass as I get more and more boxes running linux ;) |
| 07:40.53 | Bogus8 | and the need to scp things around |
| 07:41.05 | sparr | Guerin: ok, assuming i cant fathom how to fix them... got any tips for making apt/dpkg forget about the package so it stops trying to install/uninstall it? |
| 07:41.11 | Bogus8 | even though the world only sees one box they are all keyed |
| 07:41.27 | Guerin | sparr: which script is failing? |
| 07:41.39 | insmod | anyone install the new gtk-gnutella --- what happened to the Active portion on Downloads -- GONE |
| 07:41.48 | sparr | Guerin: 'old pre-removal' and 'new-preremoval' |
| 07:41.50 | sparr | err |
| 07:41.52 | Gokee2 | liable, So is every source in my sources list a src source too? |
| 07:42.03 | sparr | pretend i punctuated that last one correctly :) |
| 07:42.05 | Gokee2 | liable, And why not tell my about auto-apt eh? |
| 07:42.17 | Guerin | insmod: bigger question: why does anyone bother with gnutella in this day and age? |
| 07:42.26 | liable | Gokee2: not neccesarily, i dont know anything about auto-apt |
| 07:42.42 | insmod | Guerin: your a torrent guy |
| 07:42.46 | Guerin | sparr: you can just move them away, rename them or such |
| 07:42.57 | Guerin | insmod: i use tools which work, yes |
| 07:42.57 | Bogus8 | Guerin: so, is there anything I can do in exports to allow just u/p checks? |
| 07:43.12 | Gokee2 | Ah, it will get the files I need for a command http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-search.en.html#s-auto-apt Looks really cool |
| 07:43.18 | Guerin | Bogus8: no, nfs doesn't work that way |
| 07:43.24 | insmod | Guerin: gnutella rocks for fast d/l torrents have there play as well |
| 07:43.28 | Bogus8 | Guerin: what a pain in the ass |
| 07:43.45 | Guerin | Bogus8: nfs works on an utterly different paradigm |
| 07:43.58 | Bogus8 | Guerin: and it won't even matter after I finish with this box because all the new ones I'm building or debian so my user has the same gid and uid |
| 07:44.10 | Guerin | it works on machine authentication, not user authentication, and is intended for systems where the users and such are static across machiners |
| 07:44.23 | sparr | Guerin: thanks |
| 07:44.25 | Guerin | Bogus8: you can redo that, you know |
| 07:44.33 | Guerin | Bogus8: change the uids and such, i mean |
| 07:44.34 | Bogus8 | well, fuck, if I change the UID on that fc3 box it will break other things I think |
| 07:44.41 | Guerin | unless you have a lot of users it's quite simple |
| 07:44.53 | Guerin | heh, fc3 |
| 07:44.56 | Guerin | all bets are off |
| 07:44.59 | Bogus8 | haha |
| 07:45.06 | liable | sparr: remove the set line should help too (from the script) |
| 07:45.09 | Bogus8 | note, I'm installing debian on all new builds ;) |
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| 07:46.19 | Guerin | mm, i need to play more go |
| 07:46.43 | Bogus8 | mmm, go... that game kicks my ass |
| 07:47.04 | Bogus8 | Guerin: is there a good AI version in linux? |
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| 07:47.15 | Guerin | Bogus8: yes, gnugo is pretty good |
| 07:47.21 | Guerin | at least, *I* can't beat it :) |
| 07:47.32 | Bogus8 | my understanding is that it's one of the hardest game engines to program |
| 07:47.36 | Guerin | yes |
| 07:47.59 | Bogus8 | I had one on my palm pilot (very old one) and it kicked my ass for days |
| 07:48.07 | Guerin | i picked it up when living in Korea and, after three years, still got thrashed routinely by 12 year-old kids |
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| 07:48.21 | Bogus8 | hehe I can imagine |
| 07:48.32 | Bogus8 | I first noted it in the movie pi |
| 07:49.16 | Bogus8 | ok, well fuck it.. let's see what I can break... how do you change UIDs and GIDs |
| 07:49.33 | Guerin | man usermod |
| 07:49.37 | Guerin | :) |
| 07:49.49 | Bogus8 | damn you Guerin, I knew you wouldn't make it easy for me :p |
| 07:49.53 | Guerin | you also want to read info coreutils and look at chown and chmod too |
| 07:50.18 | Bogus8 | I get those two... used them quite often |
| 07:50.31 | Bogus8 | as a newb I end up piddling around in root more than I should ;) |
| 07:50.31 | Guerin | ok |
| 07:50.59 | Bogus8 | finally set up sudo on all my boxes (well, almost all) so I use it less |
| 07:51.03 | Guerin | make sure you also understand shell globbing, because you'll need to change the ownership of ALL the files (hint: * doesn't match dotfiles) |
| 07:51.07 | Bogus8 | err, use root less |
| 07:51.49 | Bogus8 | Guerin: cool, I'll have to look for that switch while I'm ready |
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| 08:01.32 | TbbW | anyone know if there are any imaging tools like ghost so i can move my installation from one drive to a new and bigger drive ? |
| 08:01.50 | Guerin | TbbW: use rsync |
| 08:01.53 | Guerin | and tar |
| 08:01.53 | TbbW | well dont care if the partition remains the same size as it had on the old hdd |
| 08:01.59 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 08:02.20 | TbbW | coz i can put the unused space at /home as a new partition |
| 08:02.26 | Guerin | the problem is that transferring partitions with something like dd is hairy |
| 08:02.26 | liable | !hard drive upgrade |
| 08:02.26 | dpkg | hard drive upgrade is probably http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html |
| 08:02.41 | Guerin | and if you transfer the whole disk, you'll lose the extra space |
| 08:03.48 | Guerin | so yeah, I use rsync -a --exclude={/dev,/tmp,/proc,/sys} |
| 08:03.57 | TbbW | mjeah well i got a 6gb one in it now |
| 08:04.02 | TbbW | i whas thinking to upgrade to a 80gb one |
| 08:04.06 | Guerin | that's not a synbtax, BTW, it's shorthand |
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| 08:04.21 | TbbW | exept i split / and /home up |
| 08:04.40 | Bogus8 | Guerin: good to know though, I will be upgrading some data drives soon |
| 08:04.49 | TbbW | coz i dont even want to count the times i by "mistake" filled the drive and got wierd errors at something else coz the haddisk is full XD |
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| 08:12.45 | Bogus8 | Guerin: just for future reference that rsync will swap out grub and all that is needed to run your system onto the new bigger disc? |
| 08:13.26 | liable | not grub, only files, not the partition table |
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| 08:13.51 | Bogus8 | liable: so the system would not start with just the new drive |
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| 08:14.17 | Bogus8 | how do you make that happen, I thought I was going to have to dot hat but I went a different route.. but still would like toknow how |
| 08:14.20 | Mooi | Hello, does anyone know of a way to generate graphical images of formulas? Like some kind of small rendering application, MathML etc. or anything like that would be nice |
| 08:14.31 | liable | Bogus8: nope, you would need to chroot and install grub |
| 08:14.39 | Guerin | Bogus8: hell no, rsync is 100% filesystem, grub's MBR is bitwise. You need to run gruib-install on the drive |
| 08:15.03 | Bogus8 | ah, so just rsync the files then chroot and install grub... fair enough |
| 08:15.13 | Bogus8 | though I've never been good at installing grub :( |
| 08:15.21 | Bogus8 | luckily install disc do it for you :D |
| 08:17.54 | Guerin | Mooi: use LaTeX |
| 08:18.24 | Guerin | Mooi: yes, I know it's overkill, but it's worth learning :) |
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| 08:19.01 | Mooi | I'd better create .svg images than .pngs |
| 08:19.06 | Mooi | for accessibility and standards ;) |
| 08:19.24 | Guerin | i'd use postscript, but whatever tickles you |
| 08:19.25 | Bogus8 | Guerin: so, if I'm readnig this right I can't usrmod remotely, as that is the user I need to change |
| 08:19.56 | Mooi | yeah, Guerin, I want to do math formulas on a live web environment, so runtime latex rendering is not the best choice |
| 08:20.53 | bkankur | i am installing debain sarge 3.1r1 and couldnot able to get startx running.. i am getting error in detecting the mouse device file. the log shows /dev/input/mice file missing. I am using serial logitech mouse. any suggestions |
| 08:23.07 | Bogus8 | well, I'm spent... gonna go crash out... pieces everyone |
| 08:23.14 | Mooi | thanks, bye |
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| 08:23.19 | nvz | bkankur: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:23.26 | nvz | bkankur: try using the right mouse device |
| 08:23.58 | bkankur | nvz : thank you.. but how can i find my mouse device ? |
| 08:24.39 | liable | imps for serial iirc |
| 08:24.45 | bkankur | i tried the above command and in that i can select the mouse device from the devices listed..but i dont know which one i am having. |
| 08:24.49 | nvz | bkankur: probably /dev/ttyS0 I'd check dmesg |
| 08:25.14 | nvz | /dev/ttyS0 would be the first serial port |
| 08:25.19 | Supaplex | hd /dev/ttyS0 - move mouse, viola. |
| 08:25.45 | liable | bkankur: if it let you chose dev/input/mice, then you got the wrong protocol i think |
| 08:25.46 | Supaplex | no output, try a different port. /dev/ttyS1, /dev/psaux, /dev/input... |
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| 08:26.51 | bkankur | hum..thank you.. and one more question.. i am having SAMTRON (samsung) monitor and i am selecting vesa driver..is it fair ? |
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| 08:27.47 | nvz | bkankur: sounds fair to me, to assume that none of that made sense |
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| 08:28.04 | nvz | what monitor you have has absolutly nothing with the X driver you use |
| 08:28.05 | liable | bkankur: the driver depends on your graphic card, not monitor |
| 08:28.17 | Supaplex | vesa drives the video card. lspci | grep -i graph |
| 08:28.19 | bkankur | hum.. |
| 08:28.31 | liable | but vesa is a safe bet |
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| 08:28.47 | Supaplex | about as safe as text only. :p |
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| 08:29.27 | atom | hi everyone |
| 08:29.49 | Supaplex | did you know dpkg is an atom smasher? |
| 08:30.18 | bkankur | In xF86config file under "Inputdevice" section its written its written for protocol :: Option"Protocol""ImPS/2", do i need to change this ? |
| 08:30.37 | Supaplex | that's for a wheel mouse on ps2 |
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| 08:31.13 | bkankur | oooohh.. so what should i use ? |
| 08:31.23 | Supaplex | what do you have? |
| 08:31.30 | bkankur | i hve 3 button mouse.. |
| 08:31.35 | liable | serial |
| 08:31.39 | bkankur | yes |
| 08:31.48 | bkankur | Logitech 3 button serial mouse |
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| 08:32.41 | Supaplex | I forget altogether. The ps2 land erased the serial mouse part of my brain. hehe |
| 08:32.44 | atom | anything in particular I should watch out for when building a headless server (i'm looking into debian because it's an old machine). I thought I'd ask here before I search for an hour and find that debian isn't the distro to use. |
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| 08:33.16 | Supaplex | atom: should work ok. x86 right? any serial ports? |
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| 08:33.34 | atom | Supaplex: there are, but they aren't used. |
| 08:33.42 | bkankur | supaplex : m sorry.. anyone else..can try |
| 08:34.10 | liable | bkankur: explorerps2 and ttyS0 |
| 08:34.14 | atom | Supaplex: it's a 300MHz 128MB 20Gig machine. |
| 08:34.21 | Supaplex | atom: you could use one for a "serial console" incase something awry happens in the future. setup might be a little tricky. Is the harddisk removable? |
| 08:34.33 | nvz | Mail Center |
| 08:34.33 | nvz | Inbox |
| 08:34.39 | nvz | heh |
| 08:34.44 | nvz | oops :P |
| 08:34.47 | Supaplex | nvz: 4842 spam messages. |
| 08:34.50 | atom | Supaplex: I can hook up a normal monitor no problem, it just won't be used for most of the time. |
| 08:34.57 | nvz | Supaplex: heh |
| 08:35.07 | atom | Supaplex: the HD is removable. |
| 08:35.07 | Supaplex | atom: oh, then no problem. |
| 08:35.28 | Supaplex | atom: I assumed no video card when you said headless :-) |
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| 08:36.08 | atom | Supaplex: i'm a gentooist, and I have very little experience with other distros. I'd install gentoo but then I'd have to deal with compiling everything which isn't an option because of the hardware. |
| 08:36.57 | atom | Supaplex: Is debian the way to go with such a server? |
| 08:37.12 | Supaplex | atom: yea, it should work just fine. What's the role of the server? |
| 08:38.11 | atom | Supaplex: serving a REALLY low-traffic website. ftp/sftp as well. |
| 08:38.46 | Mark_Iron | Hi - I've modified tasksel (source package), created binary package, customized the etch InstallCD .. I have new choices in the tasksel-menu .. but the choices don't work (the packages are not installed) ... ANY idea what could be the reason? - thank yoi in adnvance for any hints ;-) |
| 08:38.47 | atom | Supaplex: apache/mysql(won't be used much)/php |
| 08:38.49 | Gokee2 | auto-apt is awsome! I might start enjoying compiling programs :) |
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| 08:40.10 | atom | Supaplex: before I start, any pointers on what pitfalls to avoid (for instance, not installing X never ever) |
| 08:40.14 | Supaplex | atom: I'd grab the sarge debian installer. There's the etch debian installer to, which is more advanced. since etch hasn't left testing, it's suggested for more advanced users. I don't think a gentoo user would have much trouble with etch, you'll just have to get the hang of how debian manages things. (we rarely hold hands for testing or unstable) |
| 08:40.36 | Supaplex | just install what you need. |
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| 08:40.49 | atom | Supaplex: does sarge have php5.2? |
| 08:41.18 | Supaplex | maybe as a backport, but I don't think so. (I'm a perl head myself). see http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:42.25 | Supaplex | you can message the bot dpkg for common factoids, or visit http://wiki.debian.org for most of the basics. I think there's some other docs around to, but I haven't needed much of them in recent years. :) |
| 08:42.39 | atom | Supaplex: it's just that I've heard that debian stable is quite behind time with packages, and I and a friend both run gentoo unstable. I've come to expect to have features very soon. |
| 08:43.00 | craigevil | Etch is pretty simple to install |
| 08:43.36 | atom | craigevil: thanks, but that's not my concern. in my experience binary packages rarely play nice with eachother. |
| 08:43.53 | Supaplex | backports are good for that. stable might be overkill in what we expect for stability for your taste. it's not that testing isn't suitable for your task, we're just a tad cautious :) |
| 08:44.19 | nvz | atom: because of how they are updated.. debian eliminates this which is the reason its not bleeding edge |
| 08:44.36 | Supaplex | yea, that's what sid is for! |
| 08:44.43 | nvz | atom: you figure out a way to have both bleeding edge and binary compatability, then you can make your own distro |
| 08:44.52 | stoned | hello at 2:44am |
| 08:44.57 | Supaplex | !time |
| 08:44.57 | dpkg | well, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2007.01.28 8:44:57, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 08:44.59 | atom | nvz: yeah, that's debian's strength. Without debian linux would be years behind with its adoption. |
| 08:45.09 | stoned | Supaplex: I know what time it is |
| 08:45.16 | stoned | I just looked at my watch |
| 08:45.19 | stoned | but thanks |
| 08:45.23 | stoned | I suppose |
| 08:45.36 | Supaplex | :P |
| 08:45.50 | hellop | I love debian |
| 08:45.56 | Supaplex | <3 |
| 08:45.56 | stoned | I hate it |
| 08:46.02 | stoned | absolutely loath it |
| 08:46.06 | stoned | with every fiber of my being |
| 08:46.11 | stoned | you have noooo idea |
| 08:46.13 | hellop | to easy for ya? |
| 08:46.18 | stoned | easy? |
| 08:46.22 | Supaplex | stoned: yet you're still here. |
| 08:46.36 | stoned | Supaplex: yeh its kinda weird innit |
| 08:46.42 | atom | stoned: even if you are sarcastic, please stop the pointless debate. please. with sugar on top? |
| 08:46.57 | stoned | atom i loath you too |
| 08:47.07 | atom | hence the name :) |
| 08:47.17 | stoned | there is no sarcasm |
| 08:47.30 | atom | stoned: get some prozac then. |
| 08:47.33 | stoned | why |
| 08:47.52 | stoned | when did you recieve your psychiatry degree? |
| 08:47.57 | liable | because your being a dick? |
| 08:47.59 | atom | or some weed. Then you won't hate the world in general. |
| 08:48.00 | Supaplex | behold, the sword of /ignore - all mighty and .. yea you know. |
| 08:48.01 | stoned | you wanna show me a diploma and a lisence |
| 08:48.12 | stoned | liable: oh c;mon man im kiddin |
| 08:48.42 | atom | and here we go, half a page of... mindless banter. I'm sorry I ever opened my mouth. |
| 08:48.47 | liable | stoned: i thought so at first, then you kinda convinced me otherwise. did seem a little out of character.. |
| 08:48.56 | stoned | i know |
| 08:49.03 | stoned | thats WHY it shoulda been obvious |
| 08:49.07 | stoned | :) |
| 08:49.10 | Supaplex | who needs a licence when you're this obvious. |
| 08:49.10 | hellop | Well, I've tried Slack, Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, Knoppix.. I like netinst since it installs nothing.. except everything I need to install everything else. |
| 08:49.22 | nvz | atom: I dont even want to know why you opened your mouth.. all I have to do is move my fingers |
| 08:49.25 | stoned | hellop: i was kidding dude |
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| 08:49.28 | stoned | debian is the shit |
| 08:49.30 | stoned | chil |
| 08:49.31 | hellop | yeah ok |
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| 08:50.29 | stoned | nvz: I'm still waiting on that app man |
| 08:50.44 | atom | nvz: i meant the ``theoretical'' mouth. You know, the one you speak with? in this case, the fingers are my mouth. but I still speak, as far as I'm concerned. Writing uses a different register and everything... |
| 08:50.56 | stoned | nvz: see |
| 08:51.00 | stoned | no not nvz |
| 08:51.04 | stoned | just see in general |
| 08:51.06 | hellop | Nice to hear that |
| 08:51.11 | stoned | thats draggin a lame joke wayy too long/far |
| 08:51.13 | stoned | so anyway |
| 08:51.15 | stoned | debian pwnz! |
| 08:51.22 | stoned | nvz: what you been upto |
| 08:51.27 | craigevil | use gaim with the festival plugin and you can "hear" what people type |
| 08:51.29 | atom | ok. etch here I come. thanks Supaplex |
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| 08:51.45 | stoned | craig christ! |
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| 08:51.49 | liable | craigevil: is it worth trying? |
| 08:51.58 | g00se | Please remind me what the web gui for Sanba's called |
| 08:52.06 | stoned | oh man |
| 08:52.12 | stoned | I used to know it |
| 08:52.14 | liable | craigevil: how does it cope when the channel scrolls fast? |
| 08:52.15 | stoned | but it sucks |
| 08:52.21 | GeorgeS069 | g00se: SWAT |
| 08:52.23 | liable | g00se: swat |
| 08:52.24 | stoned | just read the comments on /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 08:52.29 | stoned | its a fairly easy to understand file |
| 08:52.29 | g00se | Ta all |
| 08:52.32 | Supaplex | atom: you'll need bugs.debian.org, reportbug and apt-listbugs to. incase you want to confirm/report bugs. |
| 08:52.38 | craigevil | it works, i use it when im studying so i can still know whats going on in irc, the voice is rather annoying though |
| 08:52.49 | stoned | apt-listchanges is helpful |
| 08:52.52 | stoned | if you're anal |
| 08:53.16 | liable | apt-listbugs is becoming annoying too, due to the server lag |
| 08:53.18 | stoned | I got em all on my sid box |
| 08:53.24 | atom | Supaplex: thanks. the two commands I'll look out for. |
| 08:53.26 | stoned | never upgrade a package without em |
| 08:53.38 | Supaplex | atom: most of the nasty bugs won't make it to testing, because of the time it takes for a package to migrate to testing from unstable. there's some docs on the whole process, but I don't recall where. |
| 08:53.41 | atom | Supaplex: is there a way to remove a dependency in debian? |
| 08:53.48 | craigevil | -listchanges is a pain. listbugs can be a life saver when running Sid |
| 08:54.11 | stoned | craigevil: like I said, if you're anal about it |
| 08:54.13 | atom | Supaplex: like, for instance, if I want something without x |
| 08:54.26 | atom | x meaning the x server |
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| 08:54.44 | atom | or without kde/gnome components or other stuff. |
| 08:55.09 | Supaplex | atom: well, there's equivs, but generally you don't have to install everything X to support some apps that may depend on fonts (eg, like analog) |
| 08:55.17 | stoned | x-window-systemc-core |
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| 08:55.21 | stoned | -c |
| 08:55.48 | atom | Supaplex: i'm worrying about loading too many libraries. I'm kind of short on memory. |
| 08:56.07 | stoned | Supaplex: well forget about gnome/kde etc. then |
| 08:56.15 | stoned | just go with a simple wm |
| 08:56.17 | atom | stoned: it's a headless machine. that's the thing. |
| 08:56.18 | Guerin | atom: just don't install metapackages, and tur off recommends |
| 08:56.22 | Supaplex | atom: how much memory do you have? I have a radius (yes, it's fairly critical) box running on 60mb of ram. |
| 08:56.23 | craigevil | how short on memory? |
| 08:56.26 | stoned | atom: I also have a headless |
| 08:56.30 | Guerin | atom: but what you have *installed* has no bearing on your *memory* use |
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| 08:56.32 | stoned | atom: I just vnc it |
| 08:56.33 | Supaplex | stoned: flwm's pretty light. |
| 08:57.00 | stoned | I how much memory are you working with? |
| 08:57.13 | atom | stoned: 128, i *think* |
| 08:57.17 | stoned | bah |
| 08:57.21 | stoned | its plenty to run gnome or kde |
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| 08:57.27 | stoned | yeh its gonna be a tad bit lagy |
| 08:57.36 | stoned | but you can run xfce or flux or wmaker |
| 08:57.42 | stoned | fvwm whateer you want |
| 08:57.45 | atom | stoned: i just need ssh |
| 08:57.55 | stoned | !wayttd |
| 08:57.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 08:57.56 | atom | stoned: no need for a gui. ever. |
| 08:58.15 | Supaplex | atom: I'd be more worried about your php apps that require more then one sql connection :) but you said it's low traffic, so maybe you'll do fine anyway. |
| 08:58.19 | atom | dpkg: just an apache/php/mysql install to stick in my basement. |
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| 08:58.25 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 08:58.25 | stoned | ahh |
| 08:58.26 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 08:58.49 | stoned | atom: that is fairly trivial |
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| 08:59.23 | stoned | don't need gui you're right.. just ssh will make everything work |
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| 08:59.34 | stoned | so what exactly are we talking about? |
| 08:59.40 | stoned | I'm confused |
| 08:59.47 | stoned | you seem to already know what to do yeah? |
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| 09:00.48 | atom | stoned: i'm a gentoo person. I like to compile only what I need, and I very much like turning off any compilation and loading of gnome libraries when I'm only using kde (for instance). Call me ricer if you want, but that's how I like do do things, and that's how I program. |
| 09:00.55 | Supaplex | atom: FWIW, that radius box running with 60mb of ram is only using 20kb of swap. It has a handfull of instances of freeradius and mysql. 31mb of ram is for disk cache. :P wow. |
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| 09:01.17 | stoned | atom: thats cool dude, I was just wondering |
| 09:01.32 | stoned | atom: so why move to debian now? |
| 09:01.33 | atom | Supaplex: cool. |
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| 09:01.58 | Supaplex | atom: it's a cyrix PII 225. I'll upgrade it when demand requires >:) |
| 09:01.58 | atom | stoned: the machine I'm working on now is a 300mhz thing. gcc alone would take a day to compile. |
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| 09:02.14 | stoned | oh boy |
| 09:02.22 | Eva_ | hi,everyone |
| 09:02.24 | atom | Supaplex: cool :) |
| 09:02.27 | stoned | hi |
| 09:02.27 | Eva_ | i'm a newbie |
| 09:02.31 | stoned | so am I |
| 09:02.37 | Eva_ | hehe |
| 09:02.42 | Mark_Iron | Hi Eva |
| 09:02.45 | Supaplex | and he's stoned on debain already. |
| 09:02.46 | Eva_ | i'm even a new mac user |
| 09:03.00 | Eva_ | i got my macbook last Nov. |
| 09:03.03 | Supaplex | linux on the mac = fun. |
| 09:03.13 | stoned | I've got a powerbook with sarge on it |
| 09:03.16 | atom | Supaplex: if unneccessary :) |
| 09:03.26 | hellop | atom, a day? |
| 09:03.32 | Eva_ | no, i'm not using linux |
| 09:03.35 | Supaplex | when you have 120gb /dev/hda, you play a little, cmon :p hehe |
| 09:03.43 | stoned | Eva_: so what brings you to #debian? |
| 09:03.46 | atom | hellop: not sure what you mean... |
| 09:03.49 | Mark_Iron | so what is your problem Eva_ ? |
| 09:03.51 | Supaplex | in a g4 ibook nonetheless |
| 09:03.59 | Eva_ | i don't know |
| 09:04.03 | atom | hellop: oh, the gcc thing. |
| 09:04.05 | stoned | oh |
| 09:04.06 | Eva_ | i just feel bored, |
| 09:04.08 | Supaplex | fanfare |
| 09:04.12 | stoned | Eva_: happens to me a lot |
| 09:04.15 | Eva_ | so i randomly picked a chatroom |
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| 09:04.20 | stoned | well |
| 09:04.30 | stoned | it would do you good to read the freenode irc network guidelines |
| 09:04.34 | stoned | its not really a chat network |
| 09:04.35 | atom | hellop: well, it's not just the hertz, it's the bus speeds and everything. |
| 09:04.48 | stoned | its mainly for ontopic support |
| 09:04.56 | stoned | but thanks to assholes like me, it goes OT a lot |
| 09:04.57 | Guerin | test: does http://secure.feayn.org yield `you shouldn't see this file'? |
| 09:04.57 | stoned | :/ |
| 09:05.08 | atom | hellop: gcc takes about half an hour on my 3.2HT p4 |
| 09:05.21 | Eva_ | ok, i can leave, if i'm not welcome |
| 09:05.28 | stoned | i didn't say that |
| 09:05.37 | Mark_Iron | wait Eva_ :-) |
| 09:05.39 | Supaplex | that's a funny quit quote of obnauticus |
| 09:05.53 | stoned | Eva_: im sure there are some guys who'd love to chat with you |
| 09:05.56 | Guerin | Supaplex: that rarest of things, a good /quit |
| 09:06.00 | atom | Eva_: it's not that you're not welcome, it's that channels like this are for support and not chat. |
| 09:06.23 | Eva_ | i c |
| 09:06.28 | stoned | you can join #hardware |
| 09:06.32 | stoned | we talk about ware that is hard |
| 09:06.35 | GeorgeS069 | Guerin: works |
| 09:06.36 | stoned | its interesting stuff |
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| 09:06.49 | atom | Eva_: if you ever need some, feel free to joint us. Otherwise, I'd find a local ircnet server and join the channel #your_city |
| 09:06.57 | stoned | joint us |
| 09:06.57 | stoned | lol |
| 09:06.58 | atom | your_city being, of course, your city. |
| 09:06.59 | Eva_ | bye bye |
| 09:07.01 | stoned | THAS aweaome! |
| 09:07.09 | stoned | yeh |
| 09:07.11 | stoned | come joint me baby |
| 09:07.13 | stoned | lol |
| 09:07.13 | Eva_ | you guys are helpful |
| 09:07.16 | stoned | omg! |
| 09:07.18 | Mark_Iron | Eva_: you have a private channel .. look around |
| 09:07.23 | Mark_Iron | *lol* |
| 09:07.36 | Eva_ | private channel? |
| 09:07.40 | atom | Eva_: i saind this is a support channel :) its purpose is for us to be helpful. |
| 09:07.41 | Eva_ | wut do you mean? |
| 09:07.57 | stoned | Guerin: did I wake up and join an alternate universe's #debian |
| 09:08.18 | Mark_Iron | a button somewhere at the bottom Eva_ |
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| 09:08.42 | atom | stoned: not unless you found major Carter somewhere along the way... |
| 09:08.46 | stoned | Eva_: just type /msg Mark_Iron hi a/s/l? c2c? |
| 09:08.54 | Guerin | GeorgeS069: by `works' you mean you get that result? |
| 09:09.00 | GeorgeS069 | yes |
| 09:09.07 | Guerin | GeorgeS069: cheers. |
| 09:09.13 | Guerin | (it's not just me, then :) |
| 09:09.35 | Supaplex | *YAWN* 2am. humm. |
| 09:10.15 | Supaplex | yes yes, you know the time, so what. :-d |
| 09:10.49 | stoned | heh |
| 09:10.55 | stoned | I'm so very bored |
| 09:11.05 | stoned | lets have a party in debian |
| 09:11.10 | stoned | lets get crazy in here |
| 09:11.16 | Supaplex | !party |
| 09:11.17 | dpkg | party is probably Lego, and alcohol |
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| 09:11.21 | stoned | haha |
| 09:11.38 | stoned | that factoid musta been made by a mamas boy |
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| 09:11.50 | stoned | someone who sounds like he still lives in his parents basement |
| 09:11.53 | stoned | lego and alcochol wtf |
| 09:12.14 | stoned | I'm going to go find other means of entertainment |
| 09:13.29 | Supaplex | stoned: don't look now, but non stick TiffOn just joined. |
| 09:13.44 | stoned | huh? |
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| 09:13.58 | stoned | other means!! |
| 09:14.00 | stoned | bye! |
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| 09:30.45 | seb_k | hello all, |
| 09:30.46 | seb_k | i have a an "little" problem with my debian installation. |
| 09:30.46 | seb_k | i run apt-get dist-upgrade and forgot to install the network part. |
| 09:30.46 | seb_k | now i'm writing from kantonix. |
| 09:30.46 | seb_k | i want to copy the needed parts of ftp.debian.org to my disk. |
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| 09:33.05 | liable | seb_k: which networking part? |
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| 09:33.55 | seb_k | kernel modul for the network card. |
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| 09:34.52 | liable | which is?? |
| 09:34.55 | hark | what card? |
| 09:35.38 | seb_k | liable: now i've no internet connection and can't download the needet packages. |
| 09:36.07 | liable | seb_k: chroot into your debian install and install whatever you need |
| 09:36.20 | seb_k | an intel on-board card |
| 09:37.21 | liable | ffs, tell us what it is, stop giving us half answers |
| 09:37.58 | seb_k | i'm loocking for it... |
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| 09:39.44 | liable | seb_k: lspci will tell you |
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| 09:40.45 | seb_k | is is RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
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| 09:41.36 | liable | seb_k: which version of debian did you install? |
| 09:42.33 | seb_k | the old was stable |
| 09:42.33 | seb_k | the new testing |
| 09:43.10 | liable | so you just upgraded, or did a complete reinstall? |
| 09:43.36 | seb_k | id did apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 09:44.09 | liable | seb_k: cant you boot into your old kernel? then you should have the driver and can install whatever you need |
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| 09:45.16 | seb_k | i tryed it by i thing the network config was damaged. |
| 09:45.58 | liable | the config shouldnt have changed. boot into it, make sure the module is loaded, and then try ifconfig |
| 09:46.21 | seb_k | ok i try it. |
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| 09:50.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this? http://pastebin.ca/330832 |
| 09:51.01 | qwertz | Hi, did a dist-upgrade to etch, when I now start kde kcontrol I just get an empty field without any controls and the cli shows "kcontrol: WARNING: No K menu group with X-KDE-BaseGroup=settings found ! Defaulting to Settings/" - any hints what could be wrong? |
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| 09:55.14 | cyzie | hello, which package shoud i use to give cpu throttling ? |
| 09:55.45 | threat2 | wtf? --> /usr/share/kernel-package/rules:1637: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again.. Stop. |
| 09:56.22 | liable | cyzie: apt-cache search freq, some of the modules dont even need a daemon to do it |
| 09:56.35 | threat2 | any ideas? |
| 09:56.45 | threat2 | I am trying to use make-kpkg |
| 09:56.48 | liable | bts |
| 09:56.51 | hellop | qwertz is menu installed? |
| 09:56.52 | cyzie | okie, thanks liable |
| 09:56.53 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: isn't splashy in the repositories? |
| 09:57.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Apparently, not for AMD64 |
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| 09:58.11 | liable | cyzie: google ondemand or conservative governors |
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| 09:58.49 | cyzie | liable, http://wizah.blogspot.com/2007/01/debian-how-to-cpu-frequency-management.html |
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| 09:59.35 | liable | cyzie: i just load the conservative governor, it takes care of itself |
| 10:00.00 | cyzie | mmmm.. okie.. liable the page i have given to u , it last update is yesterday. ;) |
| 10:00.32 | liable | cyzie: i am doing other stuff, and dont fell like reading it :P |
| 10:01.05 | cyzie | hehehehe |
| 10:01.44 | drako | When using dual display (integrade LCD) and VGA output from a laptop it does consume more power? |
| 10:02.00 | cyzie | liable, other than cpu frequency throttling, any other method u configure to enhance the battery lifetime ? |
| 10:02.22 | liable | cyzie: check out 'laptop-mode-tools' package |
| 10:02.33 | cyzie | okie |
| 10:02.40 | liable | cyzie: and if your graphics card does power saving |
| 10:02.57 | liable | turning your lcd down will save a fair bit |
| 10:03.30 | cyzie | liable, yes, the LCD dim the light is hardcoded to the motherboard. |
| 10:03.32 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: it's in sid. |
| 10:03.39 | cyzie | liable, does Geforce go 7400 has power saving ? |
| 10:03.40 | hark | !depends splashy |
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| 10:03.47 | dpkg | splashy: depends on libc6 |
| 10:03.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: For AMD64? |
| 10:03.52 | liable | cyzie: dunno, sorry |
| 10:03.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | (No jokes about glibc :P ) |
| 10:03.59 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: yes |
| 10:04.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, ok. Great |
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| 10:04.31 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah, i found it quite ironic ;) |
| 10:04.45 | qwertz | hellop, in which package should this be? |
| 10:04.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hey, those errors are just minor locale errors, no big deal. I can live with them. :) |
| 10:04.59 | hark | but the deb should install |
| 10:05.12 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: got the game running? |
| 10:05.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nope |
| 10:05.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Tried compiling it, but it won't run |
| 10:05.39 | hark | try gnibbles or something ;) |
| 10:05.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Strangely enough, it works fine on my old 32-bit box |
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| 10:06.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: The only apps that start with 'g' that I use are GNU apps. |
| 10:06.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Other than that, K all the way. :) |
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| 10:07.28 | hark | well, ksnake then! |
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| 10:09.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Somehow, it just doesn't provide the adrenaline that Warsow does. :) |
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| 10:10.11 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: hours and hours of mindless fun! |
| 10:10.30 | threat2 | weee |
| 10:10.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
| 10:11.04 | concept10 | someone oldschool tell me this: Why would someone want to ROT 13 a file in the buffer of VIM? to hide from co workers? |
| 10:11.40 | sadafds | hi all http://www.super-ptp.com/index.php?view=mcf&mcfref=confucio342 please click this! |
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| 10:12.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | concept10: Composting to help grow plants? |
| 10:12.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | (ROT :)) |
| 10:12.30 | threat2 | concept10: to fool the romans |
| 10:12.38 | Caitriona | concept10: spoilers too. |
| 10:12.55 | threat2 | concept10: ceaser will never guess to shift the alphebet by 13, instead of 3. |
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| 10:13.13 | nedesemki | meraba millet |
| 10:13.15 | parsonsd | interesting -- firefox is behaving oddly and things are slowing down, so i `top` -- what is "artsd"? |
| 10:13.20 | concept10 | heh |
| 10:13.28 | parsonsd | man returns 'undocumented' |
| 10:13.31 | hark | !artsd |
| 10:13.32 | dpkg | artsd is, like, the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 10:13.51 | nedesemki | hey |
| 10:13.57 | nedesemki | konu015fsan0131za |
| 10:13.59 | nedesemki | :D |
| 10:14.01 | parsonsd | hark - thnx. wacked |
| 10:14.09 | concept10 | parsonsd, firefox is probably slowing down because of its own fat |
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| 10:14.17 | hark | it's the KDE sound daemo |
| 10:14.19 | hark | n |
| 10:14.21 | craigevil | artsd shouldnt have anything to do with firefox "slowing" down |
| 10:14.31 | Caitriona | usenet and mailing list tradition says that spoilers and other posts that someone might not wish to accudently read are to be rot13 encoded... and a lot of people use vim to compose email and usenet wessages. |
| 10:14.33 | concept10 | I had firefox open this morning and it was using 453 mbs |
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| 10:15.02 | hark | concept10: that's normal behavior!! |
| 10:15.14 | concept10 | Caitriona, thats a good use |
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| 10:15.29 | concept10 | Caitriona, i didnt think about email |
| 10:15.30 | parsonsd | concept10 : not surprising that firefox might be burnt, and indeed, synaptic did a general update of which firefox was one of the updated items. |
| 10:15.32 | Mulder | are there any compiler show stopping bugs in etch? |
| 10:15.38 | Mulder | compiler/bulid environment |
| 10:16.01 | christopherl | I have some trouble to send files to a remote computer using ssh. Is this not correct?: ssh /home/christopherl/thefile server |
| 10:16.16 | Joachim_ | add server: |
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| 10:16.44 | Caitriona | christopherl: s/ssh/scp/ and it might work. |
| 10:16.48 | parsonsd | hm. juk use artsd? |
| 10:16.50 | Joachim | That is do scp src server:dest |
| 10:16.58 | liable | christopherl: you want scp |
| 10:17.14 | parsonsd | firefox is monster, but artsd is consuming yet more |
| 10:17.18 | raveneye | does anyone know why in etch the sshd_config PasswordAuthentication has changed from default no to yes? |
| 10:17.22 | Joachim | or you can do i via tar |
| 10:17.38 | x_link | Hi.. I have a GeForce 6150 128MB onboard card. in my BIOS the frame buffer size is set on 32M, those 32M is used from my system RAM. But I already have 128MB on my video card and I don't play games etc. |
| 10:17.39 | Joachim | tar cf - src | ssh server tar xfv - -C destdir |
| 10:17.42 | liable | raveneye: hrm, has been that way for ages |
| 10:17.47 | x_link | Could I not set the frame buffer size on 16M instead? |
| 10:17.54 | x_link | SO that it won't use that much from my system RAM ? |
| 10:18.05 | x_link | Cause I just have 512MB DDR2 ram right now. |
| 10:18.22 | hark | yes you can |
| 10:18.33 | raveneye | not in sarge. in sarge it was enough to comment UsePam to disable paswordauthentication |
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| 10:18.59 | liable | raveneye: wasnt on my sarge box |
| 10:19.14 | x_link | hark: Will my video card be worse then or what? |
| 10:19.19 | underfl0w | hi :) |
| 10:19.34 | hark | raveneye: following upstream i guess.. |
| 10:19.57 | hark | x_link: try it out. shouldn't make much of a difference.. |
| 10:20.16 | liable | raveneye: i remember because it drove me nuts figuring out wtf disabled it |
| 10:21.41 | x_link | hark: Alright, then I will leave it as it is =) |
| 10:21.51 | x_link | hark: But why does my video card need those 32M ? |
| 10:22.00 | x_link | It already has 128MB. |
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| 10:22.54 | threat2 | so, should I re-ask my question? It doesn't look like anybody saw it. |
| 10:23.42 | pstickne | x_link, why would it want to use system ram for a fb if you have dedicated? |
| 10:24.06 | war | Using FTP or NFS I can get 110-122 megabytes per second over my LAN from box A to box B; however, using the same boxes and Samba I only get 30-50 megabytes per second, are there any Samba tweaks for fast networks? |
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| 10:24.23 | x_link | pstickne: I didn't understand your question ? sorry |
| 10:24.25 | pstickne | x_link, how much ram does your system report total? remember that 1024bytes = 1kb |
| 10:24.45 | pstickne | (so it will report a little lower if you expect it to be a 1000/1 ratio) |
| 10:25.09 | x_link | I have 512MB, But it reports like472MB |
| 10:25.20 | x_link | ~472MB, I don't remember exactly. |
| 10:25.33 | x_link | I know that 32M is for the frame buffer size |
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| 10:26.22 | pstickne | I've never heard of a video setup with dedicated using system (for the fb); something seems fishy. |
| 10:26.24 | x_link | But 512-32 is not 472, it should be 480 |
| 10:26.42 | x_link | pstickne: It's an onboard card, they use from teh system ram |
| 10:26.48 | hark | x_link: it shouldn't affect your 2d performance. Anyway, you can always set it back. |
| 10:26.56 | x_link | Alright |
| 10:27.00 | Gathond | x_link: the kernel uses some itself, so the reported free space will be a bit less |
| 10:27.00 | pstickne | x_link, then it's not a 128MB dedicated. it might be a 16-128MB shared |
| 10:27.02 | x_link | Well. I will have it on 32M. |
| 10:27.31 | x_link | hrm this is tricky =) |
| 10:27.43 | pstickne | (that is, if it does use system memory, it does NOT have it's own memory) |
| 10:27.45 | hark | is it one of those nvidia turbocache cards? |
| 10:27.47 | x_link | I will get my GeForce 6600GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI EXpress x16 this week |
| 10:28.06 | x_link | hark: No.. I'm pretty sure it's not. |
| 10:28.15 | x_link | hark: I know that those uses from the system RAM as well. |
| 10:28.19 | x_link | This is an onboard card. |
| 10:28.35 | x_link | Asus M2PNV-VM that's my motherboard. |
| 10:28.40 | hark | yeah, that's pretty common as well |
| 10:29.33 | hark | w00t!! i have a 256MB graphics card. yeah right. |
| 10:32.08 | x_link | hark: ? Why wouldn't you have that? |
| 10:32.14 | pstickne | he doesn't. |
| 10:32.23 | x_link | hmm ok. |
| 10:32.40 | pstickne | x_link, he was making a joke on increasing the shared memory to 256MB :p |
| 10:33.10 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 10:33.16 | x_link | heheh |
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| 10:33.24 | x_link | Thanks for the help guys! |
| 10:33.34 | x_link | I really appreciate that you guys in #Debian helps me this much. |
| 10:33.37 | threat2 | ok never mind I fixed it |
| 10:33.52 | threat2 | kernel-package from stable doesn't like gcc-4.1 from unstable when trying to compile a kernel |
| 10:34.08 | threat2 | it complains about unknown ach |
| 10:34.10 | threat2 | arch |
| 10:34.12 | christopherl | I'm on a remote server and want to send a file to my home computer, but I don't know what I should write, someone? |
| 10:34.20 | threat2 | christopherl: scp |
| 10:34.38 | threat2 | christopherl: scp filename username@yourip: |
| 10:34.52 | threat2 | christopherl: i am assuming you have a SSH server running on port 22 on your IP address |
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| 10:35.29 | christopherl | how do I know what's my computer's name to the outside world? |
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| 10:35.41 | threat2 | christopherl: if you dont have a ssh server running directly on your ip address you may need to port forward to your internal linux server |
| 10:35.54 | threat2 | christopherl: do you use your linux box to connect to the internet for you? |
| 10:35.57 | threat2 | christopherl: or do you use a router? |
| 10:36.10 | christopherl | openssh |
| 10:36.28 | threat2 | ? |
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| 10:36.40 | christopherl | a linux |
| 10:37.05 | threat2 | christopherl: how do you connect to the Internet? |
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| 10:38.03 | threat2 | christopherl: any way, good luck with that :) |
| 10:38.05 | christopherl | threat2: 24mbit through telephone wire |
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| 10:38.13 | threat2 | christopherl: ok, and how do you make the connection? |
| 10:38.26 | threat2 | christopherl: you have a router? |
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| 10:38.30 | christopherl | threat2: dchp |
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| 10:38.57 | threat2 | christopherl: ok, and which computer is it connected to ? |
| 10:39.02 | threat2 | christopherl: is it a linux computer? |
| 10:39.04 | threat2 | or a switch/ |
| 10:39.04 | threat2 | ? |
| 10:39.14 | christopherl | threat2: yes it's linux |
| 10:39.26 | threat2 | christopherl: ok, do you have a firewall running on your linux computer? |
| 10:39.35 | threat2 | christopherl: if so, is port 22 open? |
| 10:39.44 | christopherl | threat2: yes |
| 10:40.02 | garo | I'm going to install a dnsserver, does anybody know sites with good information other then tldp.org and debian-administration.org ? |
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| 10:40.08 | threat2 | christopherl: ok great, just scp to it then |
| 10:40.27 | christopherl | threat2: thanks |
| 10:40.28 | threat2 | christopherl: what computer are you trying to copy seomthing from? and internet compuiter? or a local internal network computer? |
| 10:41.02 | christopherl | threat2: remote computer far far away |
| 10:41.10 | threat2 | and that remote computer is running unix? |
| 10:41.13 | threat2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:41.22 | christopherl | yeah |
| 10:41.25 | threat2 | ok great |
| 10:41.27 | threat2 | use scp then :) |
| 10:41.30 | threat2 | just do it |
| 10:41.34 | nocti | hello, i installed an nvidia agp card, X wont start. what should i do? thanks |
| 10:41.37 | christopherl | ok |
| 10:41.42 | threat2 | scp filename username@yourip: |
| 10:41.44 | pstickne | nocti, try to reconfigure X? |
| 10:41.51 | xingu_ | christopherl: re - giving your floating address a static hostname - see ddns.org, ddclient |
| 10:41.59 | threat2 | or scp username@remote.computer.far.far.away . |
| 10:42.09 | threat2 | christopherl: if you want to copy a whole directory use the -r flag |
| 10:42.17 | threat2 | easy as |
| 10:42.21 | christopherl | thanks |
| 10:42.57 | threat2 | enjoy |
| 10:43.22 | xingu | give us this day our daily spam |
| 10:44.14 | garo | ch/wc |
| 10:44.18 | garo | sorry |
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| 10:48.06 | threat2 | hey is it possible to compile a kernel module and make a deb package just for that module? |
| 10:48.18 | robin_sz | yes |
| 10:48.34 | threat2 | I did a make-kpkg and I forgot to add in a module to it, instead of having to redo the whole deb package I would like to just make a seperate deb package with the missing module |
| 10:48.44 | threat2 | robin_sz: ok great |
| 10:48.48 | robin_sz | but but you wouldnt want to |
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| 10:49.05 | christopherl | threat2: in terminal how can I find out what my ip adress are? |
| 10:49.07 | robin_sz | thats what module-assistant is for |
| 10:49.17 | threat2 | christopherl: ifconfig |
| 10:49.23 | christopherl | ok |
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| 10:49.25 | robin_sz | christopherl, #ifconfig |
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| 10:49.46 | threat2 | robin_sz: ok, I though that just compiled in external modules, I didn't know you could do modules in the current kernel tree with it |
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| 10:50.27 | robin_sz | threat2, sorry, I presumed it was an external module |
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| 10:50.44 | xingu | !ops bots at 218.152.166.175, 85.155.45.98, 59.13.79.70, 193.220.52.3, others.. (/join-flood w/ rnadomised nick, /part with string constant message) |
| 10:50.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: xingu complains about: bots at 218.152.166.175, 85.155.45.98, 59.13.79.70, 193.220.52.3, others.. (/join-flood w/ rnadomised nick, /part with string constant message) |
| 10:50.44 | threat2 | robin_sz: no, I forgot to compile in tun :) |
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| 10:51.57 | threat2 | robin_sz: any ideas how to add in tun? or do I need to do a make modules and somehow tell kernel-package to just package it |
| 10:54.21 | robin_sz | im trying to remember if it does a make clean first ... if it doesnt then just compiling again with tun added and repackaging might by quick and simple ... if it does a clean first it will take forever |
| 10:54.36 | xingu | threat2: you'll wind up fighting kpkg; horses/courses - kpkg tends to cleans state that kbuild needs to do partial rebuild |
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| 10:55.19 | EvilDin | hi i compile vanilla source kernel and i get error mount: unknow filesystem type "devfs" |
| 10:55.24 | EvilDin | what can i do |
| 10:55.31 | xingu | threat2: if you want many recompiles vs same tree and config with minimal rebuild - you probably don't want kpkg, just let kbuild do its thing; if you want a single stable image produced for a given config - use kpkg and let it build end to end |
| 10:55.43 | christopherl | threat2: I got some trouble, my port 22 wasn't open, so you know how to open it? |
| 10:55.51 | xingu | threat2: in your current situation - I'd suggest you're about to do a full build. :) |
| 10:56.31 | robin_sz | xingu, he cold just build a a .deb for his missing module ... |
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| 10:57.12 | robin_sz | in the end, its just one .ko file |
| 10:57.25 | xingu | robin_sz: there's more than likely going to be one file that kbuild now sees as newer than the tree he's already built; I'd bet you a uk sized tinnie that he ends up rebuilding the whole tree no matter what |
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| 10:57.47 | robin_sz | could be |
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| 10:58.06 | robin_sz | and decent beer comes in bottles :) |
| 10:58.14 | xingu | decent beer comes out of a cask |
| 10:58.21 | robin_sz | ahh, true |
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| 11:00.53 | Jemt | Greetz. I have a problem with VMWare Player. I downloaded the most recent version and the Linux Headers (linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686). I ran the VMWare Player Installer as I have done so many times before (this time I didn't have to install gcc-4.0 and 'make' though). VMWare Player installed succesfully, but when I start it and is presented with the license agreement, the program just freezes. Does anyone have a solution to this problem? |
| 11:01.36 | Jemt | I used to run kernel 2.6.16-2-686 - that pretty much the only difference from earlier installations - I now use kernel 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 11:01.46 | Jemt | "that's pretty much" |
| 11:02.04 | hark | Jemt: try #vmware |
| 11:02.15 | Jemt | hark: oh, of cause - thanks :) |
| 11:03.25 | EvilDin | hi i compile vanilla source kernel and i get error mount: unknow filesystem type "devfs", what should i do? |
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| 11:04.21 | christopherl | I trying to send a file from remote computer to my computer, but I got: port 22: Connection refused? |
| 11:04.38 | xingu | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 11:04.38 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
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| 11:06.04 | cahoot | christopherl: anything listening on port 22? |
| 11:06.23 | christopherl | cahoot: I don't know |
| 11:06.38 | cahoot | christopherl: i e - do you have a ssh srver running on reote? |
| 11:06.53 | cahoot | server and remote |
| 11:06.55 | hark | !connection refused |
| 11:06.56 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 11:07.06 | x_link | Damn.. I can't use Firestarter anymore. |
| 11:07.35 | x_link | It doesn't open, when I wrote my root password it told me that something is wrong and that I need to contact the developers so that they can fix it. |
| 11:07.43 | christopherl | cahoot: yes |
| 11:07.51 | x_link | Is there is any other firewall I can use now? |
| 11:08.00 | x_link | Something that doesn't use much CPU/RAM ? |
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| 11:08.24 | cahoot | christopherl: so you *can* ssh to it? |
| 11:08.46 | christopherl | cahoot: yes I am logging in know |
| 11:09.56 | christopherl | I want to tell port 22 to accept file on my computer |
| 11:10.02 | cahoot | christopherl: if that's the case I can't see why scp would be a problem |
| 11:11.16 | EvilDin | hi, how an i replace devfs with anything else, please help |
| 11:11.32 | x_link | Does anybody here know of any small firewall that I can use that doesn't use much CPU/RAM? |
| 11:12.24 | xingu | what does "firewall" mean to you? |
| 11:12.32 | liable | x_link: use iptables directly, or if you want something a little easier try shorewall or one of the other text file based scripts |
| 11:12.38 | christopherl | how do I list in terminal what ports are open/closed? |
| 11:12.51 | underfl0w | x_link: u can try shorewall as a tool for configuring Netfilter, or better took a look at: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 11:12.56 | x_link | I used Firestarter, but I can't open it anymore. |
| 11:13.01 | xingu | christopherl: netstat -anp |
| 11:13.06 | christopherl | thanks |
| 11:13.08 | x_link | It told me to contact the developers and tell them what happend, I don't know what happened. |
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| 11:13.17 | raveneye | x_link : I am running IP cop on a 64MB P200 |
| 11:13.29 | x_link | raveneye: Is it good? |
| 11:13.29 | raveneye | hmmm IpCop even |
| 11:13.36 | x_link | apt-get install ipcop ? |
| 11:13.51 | raveneye | nope download the iso from their site... |
| 11:14.09 | x_link | Alright, is that a good firewall raveneye ? |
| 11:14.09 | raveneye | its a standalone firewall |
| 11:14.24 | x_link | Alright, I hope it's easy to set all the settings |
| 11:14.47 | raveneye | and i think it does a great job... it comes with webinterface.. the docs on the site should get you up and running fast. |
| 11:15.07 | underfl0w | x_link: maybe fireflier is the best for you, apt-cache search fireflier |
| 11:15.16 | x_link | underfl0w: Alright thanks |
| 11:15.31 | underfl0w | x_link: works like standard end-user firewalls |
| 11:15.37 | x_link | ok |
| 11:15.48 | x_link | But which one is best, fireflier or ipcop ? |
| 11:16.07 | underfl0w | x_link: I haven't tried ipcop, so can help you sorry |
| 11:16.23 | xingu | !best |
| 11:16.24 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 11:16.51 | underfl0w | x_link: but if you look at: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls you can see a little descriptions for all the "firewalls" available as packages |
| 11:16.58 | x_link | underfl0w: apt-cache search fireflier, don't know which one to pick there |
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| 11:17.04 | x_link | underfl0w: Thanks |
| 11:17.14 | raveneye | dunno firefly... |
| 11:17.40 | raveneye | lol fireflier even. |
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| 11:18.43 | underfl0w | x_link: you welcome, hope that helps. But if you really like firestarter you can try to contact developers or try to remove and purge and reinstall |
| 11:18.43 | x_link | fireflier even |
| 11:18.43 | raveneye | vi /etc/pam.d/su |
| 11:18.43 | raveneye | ehrm... oops. |
| 11:19.02 | x_link | underfl0w: I did apt-get remove firestarter, and then I did apt-get install firestarter |
| 11:19.05 | x_link | Still didn't work |
| 11:20.00 | raveneye | x_link : did you apt-get install as root? or through sudo? |
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| 11:21.29 | x_link | raveneye: I did apt-get remove firestarter, then I did apt-get insall firestarter as root |
| 11:21.43 | x_link | But when I tried to open firestarter I still got that mesage |
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| 11:22.59 | raveneye | x_link : ok try "as root" apt-get remove --purge firestarter and then "again as root" apt-get install firestarter |
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| 11:23.51 | chaosr | how can you 'activate' another network connection, i want to use this computer as a router, but eth1 won't activate (don't know how to), i've set a static ip for eth1, but i can't ping that ip |
| 11:24.39 | xingu | well bugger me, netgear finally released 3.0.31 for dg834g |
| 11:24.39 | Thug-N-Me | how do i get rid of one package with all the conf file ? |
| 11:25.07 | chaosr | dpkg: tell me about network |
| 11:25.52 | hellop | chaosr ifconfig eth1 up ? |
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| 11:25.59 | chaosr | hellop: no |
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| 11:26.30 | Malagmyr | damn I love linux. Went from ATI to nVidia, and all it takes is changing a single word in the X config file. No driver downloads, no hassle, no nothing. |
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| 11:26.53 | chaosr | hellop: doesn't do anything |
| 11:27.04 | cyberix | How can I search for orphaned (lacking maintainer) packages? |
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| 11:28.02 | liable | cyberix: follow the links in the devel section at debian.org |
| 11:28.03 | chaosr | hellop: actually, it gave me an ipv6 address :/ |
| 11:28.16 | EvilDin | how if i don't have any support for devfs anymore should i change anything in fstab for line none /proc/bus/usb usbdevfs defaults |
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| 11:29.13 | Vaan | hi |
| 11:29.20 | Jemt | Does anyone know which version of gcc I should use when installing VMWare Player (it compiles some modules, you see) ? No one is answering at #vmware - so I've moved the question back to this channel |
| 11:29.28 | Vaan | does anyone have a motherboard with vt8237? |
| 11:29.41 | Vaan | its via based chipset |
| 11:29.41 | Thug-N-Me | first time i installed courier-imap i was asked if i want the conf files all in one ... and i said no .. now i would like to remove it and einstall it again and answek yes ... but looks like the question doesnt promt no more any idea ? |
| 11:29.51 | Jemt | !anyone Vaan |
| 11:29.57 | Jemt | !someone Vaan |
| 11:30.01 | Jemt | Never mind >.< |
| 11:30.08 | liable | Jemt: if it has kernel modules, the same version as your kernel is built with |
| 11:30.09 | Jemt | Vaan: Better just ask you actual question |
| 11:30.33 | Vaan | have you gotten it to work? |
| 11:30.36 | chaosr | plz, can someone help me, i want my internet back |
| 11:30.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried installing Splashy via the Sid deb (I'm on etch). It didn't run when I rebooted. When I ran splashy test, I got this: |
| 11:30.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | FATAL: splashy_video.c <725>: |
| 11:30.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.42 | Jemt | liable: I have just fetched the kernel from repositories (kernel-2.6.18-3-686). How can I check which compiler it was build with ? |
| 11:30.43 | Vaan | sata driver just freezes |
| 11:30.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm using a nVIDIA card. |
| 11:30.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
| 11:31.00 | Vaan | i know 2.6.18 this issue has been fixed |
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| 11:31.04 | Jemt | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about enter |
| 11:31.06 | liable | Jemt: cat /proc/version |
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| 11:31.20 | Vaan | sata_ahci reccomended to use instead of sata_via |
| 11:31.21 | Jemt | liable: Thank you :) |
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| 11:31.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Jemt: Sorry. Normally I don't do that, but for some reason, I picked up that as a habit when using IRC. |
| 11:31.56 | Jemt | Dark_Apostrophe: Just a reminder then :) |
| 11:31.59 | Vaan | so, can i get that chipset to work without brainsurgery? |
| 11:32.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Jemt: Okay. :) |
| 11:32.13 | Vaan | given i install newest debian |
| 11:32.37 | Vaan | or do i find alternatives? |
| 11:32.50 | Jemt | liable: Hm, my kernel is build using gcc-4.1.2 - so that's what I should use to build the VMWare modules, right ? |
| 11:33.09 | liable | Jemt: 4.1, yep |
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| 11:33.26 | liable | Jemt: i dont think the minor version matters |
| 11:33.44 | Jemt | liable: Ok, weird. VMPlayer gives me the following error message - does that say anything to you? : (vmplayer:5676): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Cannot load module `/usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libfile.so' (/usr/lib/vmware/lib/libgcc_s.so.1/libgcc_s.so.1: version `GCC_4.2.0' not found (required by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6)) |
| 11:34.02 | Jemt | liable: Note the GCC_4.2.0 part |
| 11:34.59 | liable | Jemt: guess it wants gcc-4.2 then.. |
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| 11:35.11 | shafire_ | hi |
| 11:35.25 | shafire_ | python colubrid.fcgi > /dev/null 2>&1 & i need to start this in screen session |
| 11:35.27 | liable | Jemt: the docs dont mention anything? |
| 11:35.30 | shafire_ | because when i close the console |
| 11:35.36 | shafire_ | its down, or not? |
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| 11:35.47 | Jemt | liable: It comes with no documentation, which is quite annoying |
| 11:36.01 | Jemt | liable: I've been trying to find answers to this problem for some hours now you see |
| 11:36.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please give me a hand? I asked my question a few minutes ago. |
| 11:36.15 | liable | Jemt: oh, that *is* annoying |
| 11:36.26 | Joachim | Is there some tool in debian to unconditionally start a programm as another user and group? And no I don't mean su which uses all groups of the user and neither do i mean start-stop-daemon which does all kind of nasty checking before deciding to really start the program. |
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| 11:36.37 | EvilDin | hi what happend if i remove devfsd ??? |
| 11:36.52 | hellop | Jemt your PC wants gcc 420 |
| 11:36.58 | Jemt | liable: Very :) |
| 11:37.17 | shafire_ | can i start a command that will not closed when i close my console? |
| 11:37.19 | Jemt | hellop: Ok, I'll try installing it if it is available through the unstable repository |
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| 11:37.47 | Jemt | liable: Do you by any chance know how to make 'gcc' point to gcc-4.2.0, if I manage to get it installed ? |
| 11:38.17 | liable | Jemt: it should point to it automatically |
| 11:38.28 | Maliuta | Joachim: you mean somthing like a properly configured sudo? |
| 11:38.33 | liable | Jemt: if not, export CC=gcc-4.2.0 |
| 11:38.35 | Jemt | liable: Okay, great. But how do I point it back then? |
| 11:38.40 | Jemt | liable: Perfect! :) |
| 11:38.43 | Jemt | liable: Thanks :) |
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| 11:39.55 | Jemt | Maliuta: ? |
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| 11:40.04 | Maliuta | <Jemt> liable: Okay, great. But how do I point it back then? |
| 11:40.09 | Maliuta | use an unset |
| 11:40.16 | liable | for an export |
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| 11:40.33 | Jemt | Ah yes, 'export' is only tempory - session based :) |
| 11:40.33 | Jemt | Thanks |
| 11:40.43 | Jemt | temporary* |
| 11:40.50 | Maliuta | if you have to resort to "export foo", then "unset foo" removes it |
| 11:40.58 | Jemt | Yep :) |
| 11:41.10 | Maliuta | if your shells hang around like mine do (ie months and months at a time) .... |
| 11:41.40 | Maliuta | Jemt: it's not session based at all, it is a shell enviroment thing |
| 11:41.42 | hellop | Why do you guys use colons where commas should go? Bob, how are you. Steve, I think the answer is 42. |
| 11:41.48 | Maliuta | it lives as long as the shell |
| 11:41.54 | Maliuta | which is not "a session" |
| 11:41.57 | Jemt | Maliuta: Well, that's what I call a session ;) |
| 11:42.02 | liable | hellop: for commands? |
| 11:42.15 | azeem | liable: to address people in here |
| 11:42.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Jemt: Would this be a good time to repeat my question? |
| 11:42.29 | liable | hellop: oh, in irc, because our clients do that when we nicktab |
| 11:42.33 | hellop | Liable, no. Punctuation for directly addressing someone. |
| 11:42.39 | hellop | oh |
| 11:42.42 | Maliuta | hellop: not here |
| 11:42.43 | azeem | hellop: it's tradition |
| 11:42.46 | hellop | mine doenst.. |
| 11:42.47 | Jemt | Dark_Apostrophe: I think so |
| 11:42.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Alrighty. |
| 11:42.53 | shafire_ | can i start a command that will not closed when i close my console? |
| 11:43.06 | hellop | it just puts the name, and colon requires 2 button presses while comma, just 1 |
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| 11:43.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | I tried installing Splashy via the Sid deb (I'm on etch). I modified /boot/grub/menu.lst as the Splashy page said. I didn't see Splashy after I rebooted. I ran splashy test, and got this error: |
| 11:43.47 | liable | hellop: irssi does it, xchat can be configured, they should all be configurable, but irssi does it by default, and a lot of people here use it. |
| 11:43.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | FATAL: splashy_video.c <725>: |
| 11:43.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:44.00 | Jemt | Dark_Apostrophe: Or wait half an hour. Suddently someone with the right knowledge will be online. You could also try to explain your problem in greater details - that makes it easier to help you |
| 11:44.16 | hellop | liable, oh heh is it ok if I use correct punctuation? ;) |
| 11:44.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | Jemt: There are no more details to say. :P |
| 11:44.24 | Jemt | Okay :) |
| 11:44.46 | liable | hellop: hah, yeah, you are the first person i have seen say anything about it.. :P |
| 11:44.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh yeah, I'm on AMD64 X2 and have a GeForce 7600GT |
| 11:45.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | 2.6.18-3 via debian packages |
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| 11:45.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Jemt: Forgot those details :) |
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| 11:45.40 | Jemt | :) |
| 11:46.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh, and if anyone knows anything about it, please check the Wikipedia article on Splashy. I wrote the whole thing, but I don't know if all of the statements are true. |
| 11:46.34 | Jemt | liable: Thanks for your help - seems I can just start VMPlayer using a GTK engine shipped with the installation. If you are interested, it is explained shortly in post #2 here : http://www.vmware.com/community/message.jspa?messageID=549774 |
| 11:46.38 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: cat /proc/fb ? |
| 11:46.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: No output |
| 11:46.54 | liable | Jemt: ah, nice |
| 11:46.59 | Jemt | :) |
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| 11:47.28 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: that's your problem; you need vesafb. |
| 11:47.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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| 11:48.26 | Joachim | Maliuta: Hmm, at man sudo. But I don't see where to specify the group of the process to start |
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| 11:48.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Do I need to recompile the kernel to get it? |
| 11:49.23 | Joachim | Maliuta: No this seams to have the same limitation as su. As in I can |
| 11:49.32 | Maliuta | Joachim: try man sudoers and look at the preserve groups |
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| 11:50.01 | Maliuta | Joachim: or the RunAs stuff |
| 11:50.10 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: not if you're using a debian kernel - just add vga=791 or whatever to kernel boot args |
| 11:50.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: I already did that |
| 11:50.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: But it didn't run |
| 11:50.37 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: are you using a debian kernel? |
| 11:50.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oops, there I go overusing the enter button again. >.< |
| 11:50.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Yes |
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| 11:51.16 | Thug-N-Me | how do i get new config files for one package ? |
| 11:51.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | purging it then reinstalling it? |
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| 11:51.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | If that's what you mean |
| 11:51.51 | Maliuta | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 11:51.57 | xingu | !confmiss |
| 11:51.58 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 11:52.12 | Thug-N-Me | Dark_Apostrophe did that already but it doesnt prompt for a question like it did first time ... i want to install courier-imap |
| 11:52.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maliuta: Very few packages are configurable with that |
| 11:52.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hmm... No idea. |
| 11:52.51 | BrianSteffens | hi everyone :) i have a dualboot debian etch + winxp pro. i keep the winxp for games and compatibility. my xp installation is in dire need of a fresh format. my debian install is (of course) still flawless :). so i'd rather not reinstall debian too. is there a way to reinstall xp without having it overwrite grub? |
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| 11:53.12 | Gathond | BrianSteffens: no |
| 11:53.35 | Gathond | BrianSteffens: but you can always restore grub afterwards using the debian installer CD as a rescue CD |
| 11:53.56 | BrianSteffens | Gathond: from the debian installer i can -just- install grub? |
| 11:54.00 | Gathond | or any other linux bootale CD actually |
| 11:54.07 | Gathond | BrianSteffens: I dont think so |
| 11:54.21 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe you need to explicitly load vsesafb via /etc/modules - I don't know, I package my own kernels and CONFIG_FB_VESA=y for me |
| 11:54.25 | Gathond | but using the installers kernel you can boot you installed linux system (with the installer kernel) |
| 11:54.40 | Thug-N-Me | Maliuta i want courier-imap-ssl courier-imap to prompt again with the question ..about the conf file.. how do i want them all in one or split..how do i do that ? |
| 11:54.45 | Gathond | and from there you can install grub again |
| 11:54.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Ok. :/ |
| 11:54.53 | BrianSteffens | Gathond: where exactly in the debian install process is the option to do that? |
| 11:55.09 | Gathond | there is no option in the install process |
| 11:55.24 | Gathond | but at the Cd boot prompt you can provide arguments for the kernel it boots |
| 11:55.40 | Gathond | at least you could in the older versions I do not expect this to have changed |
| 11:56.01 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: but in any case - splashy uses directfb and if your console is attached to a 7900 the only pragmatic approach is vesafb until x11 starts; the blessed vendor doesn't ship a linux fbcon driver... |
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| 11:56.10 | Gathond | so basically you can boot the install CD's kernel with you installations harddisk as the root filesystem |
| 11:56.12 | iuso | what's the latest word on releasing lenny? |
| 11:56.25 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: 7600gt, not 7900 |
| 11:56.35 | xingu | tomahto, tomayto |
| 11:56.40 | Gathond | note that if you removed the /lib/modules directory for that kernel there is probably alot of modules that will fail to load |
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| 11:57.13 | aidehua | stat(1) returns "Free blocks available to non-superuser". How big is a block? What does block size depend on? Is it always the same? |
| 11:57.17 | liable | potato! |
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| 11:58.59 | azeem | aidehua: it depends on the file system, usually 4KB I think |
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| 11:59.37 | aidehua | OK: I shall have to be careful then :) |
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| 12:00.06 | xingu | azeem: except for !@$$%!# isofs |
| 12:01.30 | Gathond | actually I think the 4KB is a fat thing mostly, mkfs.ext3 claims to choose one automatically from 1-4KB |
| 12:01.31 | Thug-N-Me | need to change AUTHMODULES for install courier-imap ls /etc/courier/authdaemonrc the conf file i need ? |
| 12:02.02 | Gathond | well xfs defaults to 4K so that is probably a common option |
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| 12:02.32 | azeem | Gathond: mke2fs uses 4KB for file system bigger than 512MB or so |
| 12:02.38 | idan | how can i take a mirror of ftp files (copy all dir+subdir to my local folder) |
| 12:02.46 | aidehua | Ah: I'll use "df" to programatically find the amount of free space left on my filesystem. |
| 12:03.05 | azeem | aidehua: that's the recommended way, yes |
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| 12:03.16 | aidehua | (The reason I was trying to use stat(1), which only reports free space as number-of-blocks, is because df split output across multiple lines for my long LVM device names... |
| 12:03.17 | azeem | see df -h for nicer output |
| 12:03.25 | aidehua | ...but I've now found the "-P" POSIX option to df :) |
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| 12:03.35 | aidehua | df -Pk, to be precise :) |
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| 12:03.50 | xingu | aidehua: df just uses statfs interally. |
| 12:03.58 | xingu | aidehua: and pretty prints the result |
| 12:04.37 | aidehua | Right. And df works out block sizes and stuff for me. Ace. |
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| 12:06.31 | x_link | Ahh.. now Firestarter works =) |
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| 12:07.30 | frafra | hi all |
| 12:08.17 | Thug-N-Me | telnet localhost 143 failed the error is " a NO Login failed. " any idea ? should be a OK LOGIN Ok |
| 12:08.17 | frafra | I've installed splashy on sid, but when the bar arrives to 95%, it doesn't load anything... |
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| 12:08.24 | idan | i want to connect to ftp server, download all things to my local folder and they sould stay the same on the local (ftp mirror). how can i do that? |
| 12:08.29 | silvertip257 | I could use some assistance recovering data from a hdd that has a bad MBR & part table |
| 12:08.32 | xingu | aidehua: would also suggest for robustness that you explicilty use -t |
| 12:08.37 | azeem | frafra: does it boot fine without splashy? |
| 12:08.43 | frafra | azeem, yes |
| 12:09.03 | xingu | aidehua: `df...` type constructs can wait for godot on network filesystems where the peer is mia |
| 12:09.18 | azeem | frafra: then file a bug if there's none already |
| 12:09.25 | frafra | ok |
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| 12:09.36 | aidehua | xingu: Thanks for the tip. (I'm explicitly passing the FS to be checked as an arg to df though.) |
| 12:09.36 | jelly-home | xingu: df /one/fs/only |
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| 12:09.56 | xingu | jelly-home: people do the dumbest things; your /one/fs/path might be cifs |
| 12:10.04 | xingu | jelly-home: .. on their system |
| 12:10.25 | jelly-home | xingu: well, then it's legit to wait for it. |
| 12:10.33 | jelly-home | depends on the app, probably |
| 12:10.44 | xingu | mmm; explicit exception handling is the gist. |
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| 12:10.55 | Thug-N-Me | anyone fam with courier-imap ? |
| 12:11.16 | jelly-home | xingu: in shell scripts? Riight :-) |
| 12:11.55 | DarkCow | with LVM, if I have 3 PVs made into one VG, then one big LV off of that, then one PV fails without warning, what happens to the other 2/3rds of the data? Can I recover it? |
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| 12:13.47 | xingu | DarkCow: something that may tangentially be of interest: http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-raif.html |
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| 12:14.28 | xingu | DarkCow: but I suspect the answer depends on what raid level you've used to combine the pv's into a vg |
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| 12:14.33 | ding1 | hello |
| 12:14.59 | DarkCow | xingu, I'm not using raid |
| 12:15.05 | DarkCow | at least, I don't think I am |
| 12:15.14 | xingu | DarkCow: if it's a concat, then the answer is filesystem dependant; ufs-like fs's for instance can ~sort-of deal with that sort of truncation event |
| 12:15.18 | DarkCow | but that site looks very interesting... |
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| 12:16.22 | jelly-home | xingu, DarkCow: based on my quick check, raif is an academic exercise at the moment... it'll take a lot of work to make it usable |
| 12:16.30 | DarkCow | yeah... |
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| 12:16.39 | xingu | DarkCow: debugfs and fsck using one of the remaining replica superblocks might get you a coherent image. |
| 12:16.51 | xingu | DarkCow: ... for ext2/ext3 |
| 12:17.05 | DarkCow | okay |
| 12:17.25 | jelly-home | lvm folks themselves would probably know better |
| 12:17.33 | xingu | DarkCow: as with everything else in data recovery - don't touch the broken fs at all, buy a new drive and dump onto it and mangle the copy. |
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| 12:18.16 | xingu | and yeah, raif is a pipe dream at the moment, but it's one of the more interesting ones |
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| 12:18.37 | DarkCow | the thing is, I'm not sure what method LVM uses to write data to the PVs, if it's just concatenation or what |
| 12:19.35 | xingu | DarkCow: it does what you tell it to do; configure a concat, it's a concat. |
| 12:19.57 | DarkCow | looks like I have a bit more manual-reading to do, then :P |
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| 12:20.10 | Jemt | Does anyone know of a program that graps the sound being played from any other program? |
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| 12:20.41 | cahoot | arecord, ecasound |
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| 12:20.51 | cahoot | presuming alsa |
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| 12:22.56 | idan | how can i add alias host (means idan will go to 127.0.1.2) with debian (think its /etc/hosts) and what sould i do after i add something to there? thanks |
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| 12:24.04 | shafire_ | can i start a command that will not closed when i close my console? |
| 12:24.09 | shafire_ | without screen |
| 12:24.43 | karmatronic | shafire_: nohup |
| 12:24.46 | jelly-home | shafire_: nohup some-command & |
| 12:25.01 | jelly-home | !win karmatronic |
| 12:25.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, karmatronic! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:25.13 | karmatronic | cool |
| 12:25.25 | Dunedan | I've a problem with my memory usage. "118388k: PID 9235 (/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_files-2.3.6.so)" <- that couldn't be normal. Does somebody know how to avoid that situation? |
| 12:25.31 | blondie | who's excited about the launch on Tuesday?! |
| 12:25.43 | jelly-home | what launch |
| 12:25.48 | karmatronic | blondie: what launch ? |
| 12:25.55 | blondie | new OS! |
| 12:25.57 | karmatronic | !win jelly-home |
| 12:25.57 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won the US presidency! |
| 12:26.02 | blondie | the best |
| 12:26.05 | cahoot | etch? |
| 12:26.19 | blondie | no, vista |
| 12:26.26 | karmatronic | :( |
| 12:26.30 | cahoot | vista what? |
| 12:26.33 | blondie | no-one will want etch anymore. |
| 12:26.42 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.57 | capiira | hehe |
| 12:27.02 | blondie | awww. |
| 12:27.10 | Thug-N-Me | the Debian package for Courier Imap is statically compiled without support for vpopmail. |
| 12:27.14 | liable | heh |
| 12:27.14 | Thug-N-Me | dam diddnt know |
| 12:27.27 | karmatronic | blondie: maybe it wont be that bad |
| 12:27.31 | Jemt | cahoot: Thanks a lot :) |
| 12:27.35 | capiira | why should we be excited, not even windows software works well in vista |
| 12:27.42 | blondie | don't worry, it is that bad |
| 12:27.43 | Jemt | cahoot: Which is the better, you think ? |
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| 12:28.00 | karmatronic | blondie: maybe windows users will be even to launch more than 4 programs at the same time :) |
| 12:28.11 | cahoot | Jemt: arecord is smallest, ecasound is a much more versatile tool |
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| 12:28.23 | CharminTheMoose | what's the dpkg command to list the less used debian packages installed on your system? |
| 12:28.27 | Jemt | cahoot: Okay, I'll go with arecord then :) |
| 12:28.28 | Jemt | THanks |
| 12:28.32 | CharminTheMoose | possibly with the oldest used first? |
| 12:28.35 | cahoot | np |
| 12:28.41 | capiira | as a windows user i would stick to xp one more year |
| 12:28.49 | acidblood | Hi, which package should I install to get accelerated 3D drivers for Intel GMA950 (i915 chipset) onboard video? |
| 12:29.01 | karmatronic | capiira: as a windows user i would kill myself |
| 12:29.44 | ding1 | hi, how to deny gnome's animation when minimum the window. |
| 12:29.45 | raveneye | As a windows user I would give up and take up knitting. |
| 12:30.14 | Thug-N-Me | ls it tru that the Debian Courier-IMAP package does not come with "authvchkpw" support built in ? |
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| 12:30.41 | capiira | heh i use both |
| 12:31.04 | capiira | need to much that dont exist for linux :/ |
| 12:31.10 | jelly-home | capiira: vista AND xp? Damn you.re slick |
| 12:31.24 | capiira | nah etch and xp |
| 12:31.43 | xingu | at least there's some hope that vista will start to displace the ball shrivellingly bad ip stack in its predecessors |
| 12:32.12 | hark | acidblood: xserver-xorg-video-i810 for etch/sid |
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| 12:34.16 | capiira | sad that most big commercial companys dont really develop for linux |
| 12:34.24 | karmatronic | capiira: what do yuo need that isnt available on linux? |
| 12:34.31 | CAiRO | what do i have to install so nautilus can handle zip files? |
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| 12:35.04 | CAiRO | if i double click on a zip files it says "cannot display file".. even though i didn't want to display it |
| 12:35.05 | capiira | i use a lot of video editing, 3d stuff and music for example |
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| 12:35.44 | capiira | propellerhead software |
| 12:35.44 | karmatronic | capiira: 3d ->blender ? |
| 12:35.44 | hellop | cingular stopped support for SMS messages from the web |
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| 12:35.44 | karmatronic | capiira: music ->qjackd |
| 12:35.44 | capiira | blender is a joke |
| 12:35.56 | karmatronic | capiira: too complicated? |
| 12:36.02 | capiira | nah too feature less |
| 12:36.11 | karmatronic | capiira: and music ? |
| 12:36.21 | capiira | propellerhead reason |
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| 12:36.38 | hark | capiira: file-roller should handle it |
| 12:36.45 | capiira | lol |
| 12:36.49 | capiira | :) |
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| 12:37.07 | hark | CAiRO-: file-roller should handle it |
| 12:37.40 | capiira | http://www.propellerheads.se/products/reason/index.cfm?fuseaction=get_article&article=whatisreason |
| 12:37.52 | CAiRO- | ok, thanks |
| 12:38.15 | capiira | ahh was a typo |
| 12:38.16 | capiira | hehe |
| 12:38.19 | hark | CAiRO-: but zip should be installed as well |
| 12:38.23 | capiira | i was thinking a joke |
| 12:38.40 | CAiRO- | hark: yes, i've already installed zip, thus i couldn't understand nautilus cannot handle them |
| 12:38.44 | capiira | that i can replace reason with file-roller |
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| 12:39.35 | CAiRO- | can i somehow get nautilus to handle them transparently? like with a virtual filesystem or somethign? i don't want a new window to pop up when i click on a zip file, i want to access its contents |
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| 12:40.44 | hark | CAiRO-: try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org for that |
| 12:40.53 | CAiRO- | ok |
| 12:40.55 | CAiRO- | thanks |
| 12:42.05 | Thug-N-Me | whats this tar jxvf courier-authlib-0.59.1.tar.bz2 tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory ??? |
| 12:42.24 | CharminTheMoose | have you typed it correctly? |
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| 12:42.32 | Thug-N-Me | yeah |
| 12:42.37 | _JusSx_ | courier-... can't be found |
| 12:42.54 | _JusSx_ | are you sure it's in current path? |
| 12:43.03 | capiira | i hope someday bigger distros starts to work together :) and rational define linux standards and not just see things from their point of view |
| 12:43.09 | Thug-N-Me | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.11 | Thug-N-Me | its there man |
| 12:43.12 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 12:43.18 | _JusSx_ | type ls |
| 12:43.30 | Thug-N-Me | courier-authlib-0.59.1.tar.bz2 |
| 12:43.32 | Thug-N-Me | its here |
| 12:43.38 | _JusSx_ | ahh it can't find bzip2 |
| 12:43.46 | _JusSx_ | type bizp2 -v |
| 12:43.46 | capiira | but dream, dream, dream |
| 12:43.56 | _JusSx_ | bzip2* |
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| 12:44.24 | _JusSx_ | did you install it? |
| 12:44.29 | Thug-N-Me | bash: bizp2: command not found |
| 12:44.37 | Thug-N-Me | its not |
| 12:44.38 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 12:44.42 | _JusSx_ | lol |
| 12:44.42 | CharminTheMoose | are you using debian? |
| 12:44.44 | _JusSx_ | install it |
| 12:44.48 | CharminTheMoose | heh evidently... |
| 12:44.52 | CharminTheMoose | apologies |
| 12:45.07 | shafire_ | nohup? |
| 12:45.12 | liable | erm, bizp2? |
| 12:45.14 | shafire_ | i need dis package jelly-home karmatronic ? |
| 12:45.35 | Jemt | cahoot: Hm, my wave file seems to be empty when executing this command - any suggestions? : arecord -d 10 -f cd -t wav wave.wav |
| 12:45.45 | karmatronic | shafire_: no it s part of standard system |
| 12:45.56 | karmatronic | shafire_: you already have the command |
| 12:46.09 | Jemt | cahoot: I'm not sure whether I should specify my sound device or configure my mixer (?) |
| 12:46.14 | shafire_ | karmatronic, nohup |
| 12:46.19 | shafire_ | oh ok |
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| 12:47.08 | shafire_ | when i close putty |
| 12:47.11 | shafire_ | its down :( |
| 12:47.14 | shafire_ | nohup python /home/dennis/typex/colubrid.scgi > /dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 12:47.27 | cahoot | Jemt: try arecord -f cd -t wav -D hw:0,0 -o file.wav |
| 12:47.39 | Jemt | cahoot: Okay, I'll give it a try :) |
| 12:48.06 | cahoot | Jemt: err skip the -o |
| 12:48.15 | Jemt | Couldn't find it in the man either ^^ |
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| 12:48.54 | Jemt | cahoot: Still empty |
| 12:48.59 | Thug-N-Me | courier imap needs to be compiled by a NON-ROOT USER >>>> aint fuc... true :) |
| 12:49.10 | cahoot | Jemt: works here - just tested |
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| 12:49.24 | Jemt | cahoot: Ok, weird :-/ |
| 12:49.34 | cahoot | Jemt: you have only one sounddevice? |
| 12:49.36 | Jemt | cahoot: arecord will be able to grap sound from ie. a website ? |
| 12:49.53 | Jemt | cahoot: Jep - but 'arecord -L/-l' displays several cards |
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| 12:50.00 | cahoot | Jemt: it grabs from you sounddevice |
| 12:50.06 | Jemt | cahoot: Okay, good |
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| 12:50.26 | cahoot | Jemt: what does cat /proc/asound/cards say? |
| 12:50.52 | jelly-home | Thug-N-Me: still, compiling as root is just unnecessary |
| 12:51.12 | Jemt | cahoot: It displays a sound device and a modem - paste.ca'ing it |
| 12:51.28 | Jemt | pastebin.ca* |
| 12:51.37 | jelly-home | .ca, eh? |
| 12:51.56 | Jemt | cahoot: http://pastebin.ca/330961 |
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| 12:53.49 | cahoot | Jemt: ok I suppose that card doesn't do hw mixing - try -d plug:dmix instead of -D hw:0,0 |
| 12:54.00 | Jemt | cahoot: Okay :) |
| 12:54.52 | Jemt | cahoot: -d should be -D, right ? |
| 12:54.57 | cahoot | no -d |
| 12:55.03 | Jemt | But.. that's duration (?) |
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| 12:55.35 | cahoot | yes sorry |
| 12:55.48 | Jemt | cahoot: That's okay :) -D then ? |
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| 12:56.17 | Jemt | cahoot: -D plug:dmix gives me : arecord: main:550: audio open error: Invalid argument |
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| 12:57.12 | cahoot | Jemt: try -D plug:dsnoop |
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| 12:57.17 | Jemt | cahoot: Okay :) |
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| 12:58.25 | Jemt | cahoot: Still empty. But I think it could be Flash reserving the device for playback - let me just close all instances of Firefox |
| 12:58.26 | Dewi | When I pipe commands to sh, I am finding that it chokes on brackets () even though they are wrapped in '' single quites |
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| 12:58.43 | Dewi | and yet I can type in such a command manually just fine |
| 12:58.45 | Dewi | what's the deal? |
| 12:58.54 | cahoot | Jemt: if it's flash it might actually use /dev/dsp |
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| 12:59.17 | cahoot | Jemt: unless flash9 |
| 12:59.27 | Jemt | cahoot: I'm using Flash 0 |
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| 12:59.30 | Jemt | 9 even |
| 12:59.38 | christopherl | how do I install aptitude on a GNU/Linux computer? |
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| 13:00.23 | cahoot | Jemt: the thing is I tested using a local player and reocrding it's output i e no flash ivolved |
| 13:00.24 | streuner | apt-get install aptitude? |
| 13:00.40 | christopherl | I don't have the apt-get command |
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| 13:01.20 | Jemt | cahoot: Okay - I'll test it using XMMS playing something |
| 13:01.21 | streuner | christopherl: what distro? |
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| 13:01.35 | Thug-N-Me | jelly-home does /usr/local/sbin/authdaemond start goes into /etc/rc.local ? |
| 13:01.56 | christopherl | streuner: It's a remote computer, all I know it's a GNU/Linux |
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| 13:02.24 | Jemt | cahoot: LOL, it seems it is recording everything that goes through my microphone :) |
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| 13:02.30 | streuner | christopherl: find out and tell us, we need more details |
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| 13:03.04 | christopherl | streuner: is there something I can type in terminal to find out what distro? |
| 13:03.06 | cahoot | Jemt: ok now tested using flash9 works as advertised |
| 13:03.27 | cahoot | Jemt: mightbe a local mixer setting wrt capture |
| 13:03.38 | Jemt | cahoot: Oh, okay. I'll check my mixer |
| 13:03.52 | streuner | christopherl: in debian it would be 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 13:03.59 | christopherl | ok |
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| 13:04.40 | streuner | christopherl: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:05.17 | cahoot | Jemt: might also berelevant that I have an audigy which makes alsa bloom |
| 13:05.18 | streuner | christopherl: if you don't get any result its not even debian based |
| 13:05.28 | christopherl | ok |
| 13:05.37 | Jemt | cahoot: Uh, nice card :) |
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| 13:06.46 | cahoot | Jemt: simplifies a lot - but might be useless as a base for recommendation to other wrt their sound issues |
| 13:07.13 | christopherl | streuner: I got nothing, so it's not Debian |
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| 13:07.28 | Jemt | cahoot: Well, this is a laptop - not easy to change soundcard on this machine ;) |
| 13:07.32 | hark | christopherl: try cat /etc/version or /proc/version |
| 13:07.40 | Jemt | cahoot: .. and I don't really expect USB soundscards to work very well on Linux |
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| 13:08.01 | Math^ | hello i want to use a font from: dafont.com, where do I have to place it? in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ ? |
| 13:08.02 | streuner | christopherl: prolly rpm-based, try #redhat or #suse or #fedora then |
| 13:08.23 | Jemt | cahoot: There we go! It works :) I just changed the recording device to "Vol" in Aumix :) |
| 13:08.28 | Jemt | cahoot: Thank you SO much :D |
| 13:08.31 | cahoot | np |
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| 13:09.23 | christopherl | aha it's a Red Hat |
| 13:09.26 | streuner | christopherl: look into /usr/bin or /bin for 'rpm' |
| 13:09.34 | streuner | ok |
| 13:09.45 | Math^ | streuner: you know where to place some TTF font? |
| 13:09.53 | Math^ | /usr/share/fonts/truetype? |
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| 13:10.09 | streuner | Math^: yep |
| 13:10.18 | Math^ | streuner: ok |
| 13:10.26 | Math^ | now I have some other question |
| 13:10.47 | hark | i hate math questions ;) |
| 13:11.08 | Math^ | im using fluxbox and want to add the font in a style... but how do i know what the font name is? |
| 13:11.15 | Math^ | <-- Matthew |
| 13:11.21 | Math^ | not mathematics :) |
| 13:11.43 | streuner | Math^: why not just try some different themes, its easier? |
| 13:12.07 | Math^ | well, this is a cool font, just want to use it :P |
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| 13:13.04 | Math^ | the font name is 04B_08__.TTF but when I try to set it to this font it doesnt work |
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| 13:13.29 | Math^ | so I gues I need the name of the font, not the font-filename it self? |
| 13:14.14 | Math^ | if so, how can i see the fonts name? |
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| 13:14.24 | jelly-home | Math^: try ftinfo |
| 13:14.28 | streuner | Math^: http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/962/ |
| 13:14.29 | Math^ | k thx |
| 13:14.55 | jelly-home | ftinfo -n /d/windows/Fonts/comic.ttf |less seems to dump some interesting information |
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| 13:16.59 | jatt | :q1 |
| 13:17.05 | jatt | ops |
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| 13:18.10 | Thug-N-Me | debian and the start up script goes to /etc/rc.d/init.d or /etc/init.d ? |
| 13:18.28 | asg | Thug-N-Me: the latter |
| 13:18.42 | Thug-N-Me | thanks |
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| 13:18.57 | adrakoa | hi |
| 13:19.03 | streuner | Math^: if you want to 'alter' themes, here is something you might need http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docs/en/newdoc.themes.php |
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| 13:21.49 | Jemt | !lame |
| 13:21.49 | dpkg | lame is probably : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> |
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| 13:22.19 | liable | !lgpl |
| 13:22.19 | dpkg | [lgpl] the GNU Lesser General Public License, or at http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/lesser.html |
| 13:22.26 | Dewi | how can I do the same as: >file ... but with a utility? |
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| 13:22.46 | streuner | wb(r) abrotman |
| 13:22.47 | Dewi | with a pipe instead of a redirect |
| 13:22.51 | abrotman | hi |
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| 13:23.28 | xingu | Dewi: tee |
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| 13:23.52 | Dewi | xingu: yeah, I've been using tee. But it writes to stdout which is very noisy |
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| 13:24.10 | Dewi | xingu: I guess I could pipe stdout to dev/null after tee |
| 13:24.21 | xingu | Dewi: why isn't cmd >outfile sufficient? |
| 13:24.22 | Dewi | I mean redirect |
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| 13:24.30 | Dewi | xingu: need sudo |
| 13:24.31 | predius | hey guys, when I suspend to ram using thhibernate script, i can't scroll anymore using the touchpad. |
| 13:24.36 | predius | it's synaptics touchpad |
| 13:24.47 | xingu | Dewi: (sudo ...) >outfile |
| 13:24.54 | Dewi | xingu: nope |
| 13:25.11 | Dewi | xingu: that's how it already works |
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| 13:25.21 | Dewi | xingu: I need to sudo to hit the outfile |
| 13:25.23 | dvs | is it out yet? |
| 13:25.26 | dvs | ;-) |
| 13:25.27 | pt | hi, i just install debian from DVD. I found that /etc/modules.conf was not there. however i still can lsmod and find many modules install...now my question is how the modules load (with initrd)? i need to add nvidia modules to the modules.conf but i dont know about the alias & so on. so the where the new modules should be address in modules.conf? |
| 13:26.13 | xingu | Dewi: sudo -c ... \> outfile? |
| 13:26.23 | xingu | err, not -c |
| 13:26.24 | pt | is there any tool to do this? nvidia need some specific parameters, the default seems doesnt work on my notebook... |
| 13:26.25 | xingu | but whatever. |
| 13:26.56 | Dewi | xingu: that would make them parameters to the program |
| 13:26.56 | xingu | pt: /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 13:27.32 | liable | or /etc/modules |
| 13:28.53 | liable | has etch deprecated modules.conf |
| 13:28.53 | liable | ? |
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| 13:28.53 | xingu | Dewi: I'm not understanding your issue I guess, the fault as described seems to be solveable by parking sudo inside a subshell and capturing its output, or, by passing redirection args to the shell spawned by sudo |
| 13:28.53 | pt | xingu : do we need modules.conf at all? |
| 13:28.54 | xingu | pt: not in the modern universe |
| 13:28.54 | pt | liable : yes, it is etch. i just downloaded and no idea why the modules.conf missing. |
| 13:28.54 | xingu | Dewi: the only functional difference between the two is which uid is writing to the logfile |
| 13:29.12 | liable | pt: it been deprecated for a while, was wondering if they have finally just gotten rid of it |
| 13:29.31 | liable | hrm, i have modules.conf, and i used the etch installer (though a very old one) |
| 13:29.57 | Dewi | xingu: that's what I'm trying to change - which uid is writing to the logfile |
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| 13:30.15 | Dewi | xingu: > gives you no control over that, it will always be myself |
| 13:30.27 | Dewi | xingu: anyway tee works, it just needs extra silencing |
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| 13:31.31 | xingu | Dewi: it should be if you escape it in the interactive shell context such that it's passed as an arg to sudo |
| 13:31.34 | Alptraum- | i need a good source list for debian |
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| 13:31.46 | Alptraum- | i just reinstalled my vserver-account |
| 13:31.48 | asg | Alptraum-: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples |
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| 13:32.11 | Alptraum- | asg ty |
| 13:32.12 | xingu | Dewi: if not, you'll need a shellscript wrapper that is wrapper:arg >cmdfile - and run as sudo wrapper |
| 13:32.34 | garo | Is it right that debian's default configuration for bind9 doesn't allow requests (except from localhost) ? |
| 13:33.04 | pt | liable : mmm....i found the nvida module is there inside modprobe.conf but not with lsmod. i install nvidia kernel but after reboot it was gone. and not working with insmod or modprobe. i have to use nvida-installer and specifiy the kernel path & lib, then it works but the module disappears again when i reboot. |
| 13:33.06 | xingu | Dewi: that seems less gross to me than using tee, but whatever works. |
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| 13:33.52 | Alptraum- | where can i put theat sourc list in? |
| 13:33.55 | Alptraum- | *that |
| 13:34.05 | asg | Alptraum-: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:34.07 | liable | pt: it dissapears from /lib/modules? |
| 13:34.14 | Alptraum- | asg thx again, trying |
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| 13:34.40 | xingu | sudo really should stop using paths in its config and should start using md5sums |
| 13:34.54 | pt | liable : nope. it was still there but not reload after reboot. |
| 13:35.08 | asg | xingu: interesting idea |
| 13:35.12 | xingu | certifying a path in this wonderful era of multiple namespaces is a total waste of time |
| 13:35.23 | liable | pt: modprobe says what when you try and load it? |
| 13:35.34 | pt | liable : so anytime i reboot the system, this nvidia kernel module is gone. |
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| 13:36.18 | Alptraum- | asg: all of the source lists in the example file are in sources.list |
| 13:36.32 | Alptraum- | asg: but if i search the lists for php5 i get no results |
| 13:36.42 | Alptraum- | asg: so it must be better sources |
| 13:36.44 | asg | Alptraum-: if you are using sarge, there will be no php5 |
| 13:36.53 | Alptraum- | asg: why that? |
| 13:37.02 | asg | Alptraum-: because it isn't in the stable release. |
| 13:37.11 | asg | Alptraum-: /msg dpkg php5 |
| 13:37.11 | alexc1990 | why debian net inst haven't a driver for my integrated net card (my mobo is a gigabyte ga-k8nf-9) |
| 13:37.55 | abrotman | alexc1990: and which NIC ? |
| 13:38.02 | pt | liable : modprobe say nothing. and it allow to install the module with modprobe but this module doesnt work. and the modules doesnt be installed. |
| 13:38.03 | abrotman | and which netinst ? |
| 13:38.11 | Alptraum- | thank you |
| 13:38.14 | alexc1990 | x86 |
| 13:38.20 | abrotman | there is more than one version |
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| 13:38.49 | alexc1990 | so i must download a 64 bit version? |
| 13:39.00 | alexc1990 | (i have a 64 bit cpu |
| 13:39.02 | abrotman | no .. there is the sarge netinst and the etch netinst |
| 13:39.08 | alexc1990 | ah |
| 13:39.10 | abrotman | which did you get ? |
| 13:39.13 | alexc1990 | the stable version |
| 13:39.21 | abrotman | for a workstation ? |
| 13:39.27 | alexc1990 | yep |
| 13:39.33 | abrotman | use the etch netinst |
| 13:39.45 | alexc1990 | ok |
| 13:39.45 | Thug-N-Me | any idea about courier-imap error >>> * BYE Temporary problem, please try again later ? |
| 13:39.48 | pt | liable : i found that in the module/2.6.x/ consists of nvida, kernel and modules.xxxx,where the graphic module specifed? |
| 13:39.54 | Thug-N-Me | i had to compile it myself but no success |
| 13:39.59 | alexc1990 | thanks |
| 13:40.09 | liable | pt: in /usr/lib somewhere iirc |
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| 13:40.12 | alexc1990 | sorry for my bad english but i am italian :) |
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| 13:42.00 | Jemt | Does anyone know of a console tool from repositories (that does not include ie Lame) that makes me convert a wave file to a MP3 file? Something like : program -i input.wave -o output.mp3 |
| 13:42.09 | alexc1990 | i cant find the etch veriso o,o |
| 13:42.21 | abrotman | !d-i alexc1990 |
| 13:42.21 | dpkg | alexc1990, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:42.23 | alexc1990 | can someone indicat me the link? |
| 13:42.27 | hellop | I'd like to be able to programmatically control the volume of some mp3 player. Anyone have any ideas how/what player? |
| 13:42.29 | liable | Jemt: not in the debian repos you wont find one |
| 13:42.30 | abrotman | second link |
| 13:42.38 | liable | Jemt: why not convert to ogg? |
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| 13:42.47 | cahoot | mpg321? |
| 13:42.47 | alexc1990 | ok thnks |
| 13:42.56 | Jemt | liable: Because there is no players out there that supports OGG :-/ |
| 13:43.11 | hellop | cahoot, so you can play something, then use the CLI to change volume? |
| 13:43.14 | liable | personal ones? |
| 13:43.18 | cahoot | Jemt: you don't *want* to use lame? |
| 13:43.19 | Jemt | liable: I wants to buy a normal handhold MP3 player you see |
| 13:43.44 | Jemt | cahoot: I do - but I have to compile it myself - and that usually equals a lot of dependency problems |
| 13:43.46 | abrotman | Jemt: actually .. there are |
| 13:43.47 | liable | Jemt: i have recently been looking my self, panasonic and iriver are two that support ogg |
| 13:43.52 | Jemt | abrotman: Oh ? |
| 13:43.58 | cahoot | Jemt: else you can get it from debian-multimedia.org (IIRC) |
| 13:43.58 | abrotman | AH! |
| 13:44.09 | asg | Jemt: neurosaudio.com |
| 13:44.29 | Jemt | liable: Oh, interesting! I'll check out their websites - all my CD are imported and converted into ogg |
| 13:44.35 | abrotman | Jemt: google is good http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers |
| 13:44.45 | Jemt | cahoot: Great, thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 13:44.51 | Jemt | abrotman: :) |
| 13:45.08 | pt | liable : i tried with modprobe the nvidia kernel (nvidia.ko) and it doesnt work. but if i used nvidia-installer, it work and i can see the nvidia module is installed. anyone has an idea about this nvidia module? |
| 13:45.16 | shafire_ | how can i look at a programm and kill it? |
| 13:45.23 | shafire_ | want to kill soldatserver |
| 13:45.29 | liable | pt: not me, sorry |
| 13:45.36 | asg | shafire_: pkill |
| 13:45.40 | liable | shafire_: pkill fooprogram |
| 13:45.45 | shafire_ | okay |
| 13:45.57 | liable | or ps and kill -6 |
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| 13:46.34 | liable | abrotman: i wish i knew about that wiki page the other day |
| 13:47.11 | Thug-N-Me | is there any non-free or something similar package for courier-imap with authvchkpw module ? |
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| 13:47.25 | abrotman | liable: google is good! |
| 13:47.43 | liable | my google foo must have been weak that day :) |
| 13:47.43 | abrotman | liable: google "ogg players" .. third link |
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| 13:48.18 | shafire_ | restart) |
| 13:48.18 | shafire_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.18 | shafire_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.18 | shafire_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.18 | shafire_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:48.25 | shafire_ | sry |
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| 13:48.30 | shafire_ | but why don't work this? |
| 13:48.41 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:48.42 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 13:49.03 | markit | hi, I've updated Sid today, and now I have very often Xorg eat 99% CPU and computer freeze... is it a known problem? |
| 13:49.10 | saint-takeshi | what's the command to configure glx |
| 13:49.17 | sylvanthis | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.28 | asg | markit: the bts would know |
| 13:49.31 | PerfDave | markit: Have you checked the BTS? |
| 13:49.36 | shafire_ | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5190 |
| 13:49.36 | saint-takeshi | it seems to be trying to use mesa, but my display adapter is using the savage driver... |
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| 13:49.49 | Dewi | xingu: sudo won't pass a parameter '>' to some kind of internal bash; it will pass it as a parameter to the program |
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| 13:50.05 | Dewi | xingu: unless I'm doing sudo bash -c 'asd > foo' |
| 13:50.08 | markit | PerfDave: I will try, I guess is reachable from debian home |
| 13:50.15 | PerfDave | !bts |
| 13:50.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 13:51.08 | Dewi | xingu - example: sudo echo asd \>/dev/null isn't silent |
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| 13:52.11 | Dewi | xingu: but the point here is that I don't *want* to sudo the entire command |
| 13:52.32 | Dewi | xingu: I often want to run some complicated and dangerous program as non-root, and then save the results in a root area |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | shafire_: so what doesn't work ? |
| 13:52.48 | Dewi | xingu: or even just to some other non-root user |
| 13:52.48 | shafire_ | restart |
| 13:52.52 | shafire_ | it only stop |
| 13:52.56 | shafire_ | but don't start it again |
| 13:53.10 | Dewi | xingu: with sudo and pipes you can run every pipe section under a different UID which is very handy |
| 13:53.20 | abrotman | maybe you need a longer sleep ? |
| 13:53.23 | asg | shafire_: is $0 stop calling exit somewhere? |
| 13:53.30 | garo | Is it right that debian's default configuration for bind9 doesn't allow requests (except from localhost) ? |
| 13:53.45 | Dewi | garo: sounds like a sensible default. But I don't know |
| 13:54.18 | Dewi | garo: have a look for a README.Debian under /usr/share/docs/*, or comments in a script in /etc/defaults/* |
| 13:54.21 | shafire_ | asg, i don't know |
| 13:54.25 | saint-takeshi | xorg.conf device says "savage" glx is detecting mesa x11 which has no direct rendering available...i need to fix this somehow |
| 13:55.37 | pt | is graphic & video is the char device? how can i know their major & minor(?) number to be specify? |
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| 13:58.37 | Thug-N-Me | no support in latest courier-imap-[authdaemon-imap-ssl-etc'] package for vpopmail authentication why debian packagers disabled that feature ? |
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| 13:59.03 | fasta | I changed browser.blink_allowed to false in Iceweasel, but it still shows a blinking cursor. |
| 13:59.11 | fasta | Bug? Or do I need to restart? |
| 13:59.22 | shafire_ | nohup python /home/dennis/typex/colubrid.scgi > /dev/null 2>&1 & <-- doesn't work how to do that it will work? |
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| 14:01.02 | markit | bts reports Xorg freeze problems of august 2006, nothing recent looking for "xorg freeze". Forgive my ignorance, but is there a way to just have a look to "most recent" bugs reported? i.e. in the last 7 days |
| 14:01.26 | bwlang | I need to set up some group calendaring. I tried opengroupware a couple of years ago, but it didn't seem all there... I particularlly need outlook connectivity |
| 14:01.38 | bwlang | Anybody have a suggestion? |
| 14:01.49 | markit | bwlang: try zimbra |
| 14:01.59 | hark | markit: what driver are you using? |
| 14:02.12 | markit | bwlang: http://www.zimbra.com/ |
| 14:02.30 | markit | hark: let me check, ATI related, in any case, and the debian one, NOT proprietary |
| 14:03.41 | markit | hark: in xorg.conf I've "ati" as Driver |
| 14:05.18 | xingu | Dewi: fair enough; in that case cat >/file is a better pick than tee |
| 14:05.18 | hark | markit: hmm, anything in the log? |
| 14:06.58 | shafire_ | how do i start a command in the background and kill it? |
| 14:07.40 | PerfDave | shafire_: You can use job control to run in the background of a shell (but it'll have to go when the shell goes) or use something like nohup or disown. |
| 14:08.28 | markit | hark: hard to tell... seems ok to me, but now is not eating 99% cpu.. it happens with zsnet (or whatever.. the nintendo emulator) or with flash sites (I had to install Adobe 9 for my children to play games sites) |
| 14:08.48 | xingu | bash is a bit funny in terms of nohupcl, from memory it only behaves that way if you're on a tty, not a pty |
| 14:08.50 | markit | hark: but worked fine some days ago for sure, they play a lot with it, so are good testers ;) |
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| 14:09.32 | biatche | hi, i wanna try debian, i like up to date stuff, should i begin with 3.1r4 or testing? |
| 14:09.33 | shafire_ | is screen good to? |
| 14:09.44 | hark | markit: ah, and what graphics card btw? |
| 14:09.44 | xingu | cmd & for pty is ~functionally equiv to nohup on tty from what I see anyway |
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| 14:09.53 | x-- | screen > * |
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| 14:10.11 | hark | biatche: if it's not a server, go with etch then |
| 14:10.18 | biatche | its a server |
| 14:10.26 | x-- | the one and only: screen! |
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| 14:10.52 | ram____ | does any one have problem installing debian on VMWARE, ? |
| 14:11.18 | x-- | describe your problem |
| 14:11.29 | PerfDave | ram____: No, I don't use VMWare ;) |
| 14:11.35 | shafire_ | how to start a screen session in the background? |
| 14:11.39 | biatche | im primarily a gentoo user, but maintenence sucks. ive tried archlinux, it's just not complete, there are some stuff missing. im trying to setup samba+ldap, that dont work too well there. I only 2 more choices now. debian and opensuse which i've never tried before. any recommendations? |
| 14:11.41 | shafire_ | how to close this screen session? |
| 14:11.48 | x-- | shafire_: man screen |
| 14:11.50 | asg | shafire_: start with the manpage |
| 14:11.55 | ram____ | i have created Virtual Maching Debian, in the CD rom kept, Bussineess CD, for network installation |
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| 14:12.02 | x-- | or google for some short screen tutorials |
| 14:12.06 | shafire_ | screen -S colubrid /command don't work |
| 14:12.07 | xingu | or perhaps its sshd that's setting -hupcl, a quick experiment suggests that |
| 14:12.22 | x-- | shafire_: go read on GNU screen |
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| 14:12.28 | xingu | gnome-term has hupcl in termios, ssh login is -hupcl |
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| 14:12.35 | ram____ | when iam going through the installation, when iam entering ip address press ENTER, Enter key taking Twise and going to Gateway ? |
| 14:12.36 | ram____ | why ? |
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| 14:13.04 | x-- | ram____: check your keyboard |
| 14:13.05 | x-- | =/ |
| 14:13.16 | x-- | does it happen only at that phase? |
| 14:13.21 | PerfDave | ram____: I'd ask VMWare for support with their product. |
| 14:13.25 | mx-zoom | hey... anyone here knows the CFLAG for a Centrino Duo? prescott or pentium-m? |
| 14:13.47 | PerfDave | biatche: It's pretty likely that if you ask on #debian for recommendations between Debian and OpenSUSE, people will recommend Debian. |
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| 14:14.02 | xingu | mx-zoom: centrino duo is a brand name; do you mean core2 or core? |
| 14:14.05 | ram____ | x--: it happends when iam making partion, and finish and go.. for instlalation, the same menu keeping coming, becoz of Enter key |
| 14:14.26 | xingu | well... not exactly brand, but not specific anyway |
| 14:14.30 | mx-zoom | xingu: core solo |
| 14:14.33 | ram____ | PerfDave: i have asked VMWARE channel also same question but no reply |
| 14:14.52 | PerfDave | ram____: Well, I suspect you're having a VMWare problem rather than a Debianone... |
| 14:15.22 | ram____ | PerfDave: i dont think so, since iam able to install RHEL in the same VMware works great |
| 14:15.45 | PerfDave | ram____: Well, I'm able to install Debian outside VMWare without problems ;) |
| 14:15.46 | x-- | ram____: try with a different media |
| 14:15.53 | mx-zoom | xingu: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows it is a T2500 family 6 |
| 14:15.59 | ram____ | yes.. same issue.. |
| 14:15.59 | xingu | mx-zoom: yonah is pentium-m, sse3 |
| 14:16.24 | ram____ | i changed 3 CD, the same CD works great in desktop installtion, but in VM ware i have this problem ? |
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| 14:16.51 | x-- | ram____: install the vm elsewhere than move it over |
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| 14:17.05 | mx-zoom | xingu: that's what is confusing me. I've read a gentoo faq and they tell to use the prescott as arch :/ and I have also read in many places that I should use pentium-m |
| 14:17.39 | ram____ | x--: could catch ur answer |
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| 14:18.14 | asg | everytime ram____ and x-- are around, I get the sudden urge to play hangman |
| 14:18.38 | mx-zoom | xingu: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags#Intel_Core_Solo.2FDuo_.28Yonah.29 ... would there be any great difference between the two? |
| 14:18.48 | x-- | ram____: if you have a second pc with vmware, create a virtual machine, and try to install debian on it (if your current host is Linux, use windows as host) |
| 14:18.58 | x-- | asg: explain |
| 14:19.01 | liable | mx-zoom: pentium m is the correct one |
| 14:19.17 | x-- | i'm never around |
| 14:19.20 | x-- | =/ |
| 14:19.30 | xingu | mx-zoom: I doubt it - prescott should be ok, just had to read exactly what it turns on; I bet that the two issue equivalent code |
| 14:19.30 | x-- | rarely to be honest |
| 14:20.02 | bwlang | markit: i don't find zimbra in the debian archives... is there some reason it's not there? |
| 14:20.03 | mx-zoom | xingu: thanks :) |
| 14:20.06 | asg | x--: hangman(6) in the bsdgames package |
| 14:20.30 | x-- | i know hangman, why how can that be related to me? |
| 14:20.41 | asg | x--: your nick |
| 14:20.49 | x-- | oh |
| 14:20.51 | x-- | =[ |
| 14:20.51 | markit | bwlang: don't know, not all programs are into debian, and don't even know if zimbra produces .deb, just that seems to be really cool program, have you seen their site? |
| 14:21.19 | Dewi | xingu: cat isn't helpful either... the following still opens 'file' as me, *not* root: sudo foo | sudo cat > /file |
| 14:21.36 | bwlang | markit: it does put out a deb... i bet there's some philosophical problem - thought they claim to be open source |
| 14:22.33 | xingu | Dewi: oic, you need something that writes out without redirection; fair do - tee it is. |
| 14:22.57 | Dewi | xingu: exactly. |
| 14:22.59 | xingu | Dewi: pardon my denseness this morning, it's been a long one |
| 14:23.09 | Dewi | xingu: hehe |
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| 14:23.43 | Dewi | xingu: I'm a terrible shell scripter, but I am quite a shell fu junkie :P |
| 14:23.54 | Dewi | (perhaps *because* I'm a terrible shell scripter) |
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| 14:24.14 | markit | bwlang: they don't "claim", they are Mozilla Public License... don't know if debian dislikes it, think no |
| 14:24.48 | markit | bwlang: maybe the ZPL part is not good |
| 14:24.55 | markit | http://www.zimbra.com/license/ |
| 14:25.02 | bwlang | markit: MPL is fine i think... maybe it's because the open source version is a red headed stepchild compared to the enterprize edition? |
| 14:25.10 | xingu | Dewi: there's another solution you may not have thought of; use logger and syslog for notification - let syslog do what its designed to do. |
| 14:25.11 | markit | "It requires Zimbra attribution for any products derived from the source code." |
| 14:25.25 | Dewi | markit: it is still potentially a "claim"... if they stole the code for example |
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| 14:25.39 | bwlang | markit: sounds like BSD... not a problem i don't think |
| 14:25.48 | markit | bwlang: go in the site, there is a version comparison, open source editio seems not for children at all to me |
| 14:25.55 | Dewi | markit: normally attribution is not a problem. but it depends on how attribution is required to be made |
| 14:25.57 | saint-takeshi | if i were to replace my video card (put in a PCI card instead of using onboard) would xorg.conf automatically detect it and configure drivers, etc? |
| 14:26.07 | abrotman | is there an RFP for zimbra ? |
| 14:26.36 | asg | abrotman: request for pricing? |
| 14:26.40 | asg | abrotman: :p |
| 14:26.47 | abrotman | non-free must die! |
| 14:27.22 | bwlang | markit: not for children... it means that it doesn't get the same love as the "real children" ( pro edition) |
| 14:27.47 | liable | saint-takeshi: automatically? no |
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| 14:28.07 | saint-takeshi | so i'd have to edit xorg.conf myself, or...? |
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| 14:28.09 | bwlang | abrotman: according to markit, it is free |
| 14:28.15 | markit | bwlang: I don't know, I don't use it myself, but some people described it to me as a good product |
| 14:28.17 | Dewi | !drxx saint-takeshi |
| 14:28.17 | dpkg | saint-takeshi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | but what's the license ? |
| 14:28.53 | markit | abrotman: http://www.zimbra.com/license/ does not describe it for various components involved? |
| 14:28.57 | Dewi | abrotman: part mozilla, part proprietary bsdlike |
| 14:29.02 | bwlang | abrotman: a derivative of mpl according to http://www.zimbra.com/license/ |
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| 14:29.53 | abrotman | if you want to know if it's DFSG capatible .. ask the debian-legal mailing list |
| 14:29.58 | abrotman | and/or file an RFP |
| 14:31.56 | shafire_ | mhm |
| 14:32.13 | shafire_ | how do i start python /home/dennis/typex/colubrid.scgi in the background and kill it later?! want to make a startscript!! |
| 14:32.28 | PerfDave | shafire_: When do you want to start it? |
| 14:32.47 | shafire_ | systemstart |
| 14:32.58 | PerfDave | shafire_: Running as your local user, or as root? |
| 14:33.03 | shafire_ | local |
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| 14:33.16 | PerfDave | shafire_: Then probably your best option is an @reboot cronjob. |
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| 14:33.31 | shafire_ | PerfDave, and how do i do that? |
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| 14:33.36 | PerfDave | shafire_: man 5 crontab |
| 14:33.45 | shafire_ | don't help me |
| 14:33.49 | shafire_ | this man |
| 14:34.00 | sam_uk | is there a gui for all (or many of) the video transcoding utilities in linux? something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaCoder |
| 14:34.02 | shafire_ | -bash: man: command not found |
| 14:34.19 | abrotman | your computer is broken |
| 14:34.25 | shafire_ | no |
| 14:34.27 | asg | yes |
| 14:34.28 | shafire_ | fresh install |
| 14:34.44 | PerfDave | shafire_: Which version of Debian have you installed? |
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| 14:34.53 | shafire_ | 4.0 |
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| 14:34.56 | giupy | hi all |
| 14:35.20 | PerfDave | shafire_: How did you install it? |
| 14:35.33 | giupy | if i have this line in my lilo.conf: "append=noapic nolapic" , where must i add the line for the framebuffer ? |
| 14:35.39 | shafire_ | only the base installation without any other things |
| 14:35.48 | Dewi | the base install includes man though, I think |
| 14:35.53 | shafire_ | only ssh |
| 14:35.54 | abrotman | does |
| 14:35.58 | PerfDave | shafire_: apt-get install man-db |
| 14:36.18 | shafire_ | mhm |
| 14:36.22 | Dewi | maybe shafire_ still has some pending package installations? |
| 14:36.28 | abrotman | possibly |
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| 14:36.30 | Dewi | or configures |
| 14:36.58 | shafire_ | nohup python /home/dennis/typex/colubrid.scgi <--- how to kill this process |
| 14:37.05 | shafire_ | pkill colubrid doesn't work |
| 14:37.08 | Dewi | shafire_: try running 'aptitude install' as root |
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| 14:37.40 | biatche | so anyways, i wanna do a samba+ldap pdc server. im totally totally new in debian...and debian does support this, right? should i use 3.1r4 or testing? |
| 14:37.45 | PerfDave | shafire_: ps auxww | grep colubrid, kill the PID. Or use killall. |
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| 14:37.59 | PerfDave | !version samba sarge |
| 14:38.12 | shafire_ | PerfDave, and how do i it when i want to put it into a startscript? |
| 14:38.23 | PerfDave | shafire_: You want to kill something in a startscript? |
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| 14:38.30 | bwlang | okay... zimbra is out. is opengroupware the best choice for a group calendar system? |
| 14:38.37 | Dewi | PerfDave: presumably he means in the stop) section |
| 14:38.49 | PerfDave | Dewi: He's not being very clear what he means. |
| 14:38.50 | shafire_ | PerfDave, yes /etc/init.d/script stop <-- should kill a process |
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| 14:39.02 | abrotman | bwlang: out why ? |
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| 14:39.47 | PerfDave | shafire_: It would help if you were more explicit about what you were trying to achieve. I thought you wanted it to run as your local user? |
| 14:39.47 | bwlang | abrotman: i don't think it has a compatible license, on top of that I want something that works now. |
| 14:39.56 | Dewi | bwlang: groupware is a sector full of really immature and/or broken stuff. I couldn't recommend anything - do some testing. |
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| 14:39.59 | abrotman | bwlang: ah ok |
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| 14:40.15 | shafire_ | PerfDave, i want to start and stop a python process ... |
| 14:40.16 | PerfDave | biatche: Both 3.1r4 and 4.0 have Samba 3.0 or greater, which means they should both be good for LDAP / PDC stuff. |
| 14:40.33 | PerfDave | shafire_: What is this python process? |
| 14:40.59 | bwlang | Dewi: bummer... i need something that works - i'd rather spend my time on other things. is nothing reliable for group calendaring? |
| 14:41.00 | Dewi | shafire_: look at the other examples in /etc/init.d |
| 14:41.07 | biatche | PerfDave: i have no idea in their differences, if you were to pick, which would you go for and why? |
| 14:41.13 | olleolleolle | I'm a beginner at sources.list editing, and on amd64, in DK. I wonder what servers to add to my sources.list. I'd like newer software. (netselect and netselect-apt were unable to help me, they couldn't get through some firewall, I think) |
| 14:41.13 | shafire_ | what example |
| 14:41.27 | asg | shafire_: /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 14:41.37 | Dewi | bwlang: well... I use webcalendar for my calendaring... a lot of the groupware projects forked it to integrate it in |
| 14:41.44 | PerfDave | There's an /etc/init.d/README which shafire_ might find interesting, but that will involve running as root without some script hackery. |
| 14:41.57 | shafire_ | Dewi, it is a process that don't start in the background it blocks my full ssh console i want to start this fucking shit in the background and kill it later when i doesn't need it anymore |
| 14:42.12 | Dewi | bwlang: the problem with fullblown groupware projects is that they tend to be "do everything" solutions with no clear goals, and it's far too much for them to bite off at one time |
| 14:42.32 | Dewi | shafire_: do you need a whole start-stop-script for that? |
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| 14:42.37 | Dewi | shafire_: or just do it manually? |
| 14:42.39 | xingu | do one thing and do it well |
| 14:42.48 | asg | shafire_: 1) install screen. 2) start screen. 3) run the process 4) ctrl+a+n |
| 14:42.49 | Yagami | hi , can i get some help installing debian into a fakeraid and lvm disk ? |
| 14:42.58 | PerfDave | Dewi: Or just edit the script and stick a & in it ;) |
| 14:43.06 | Dewi | bwlang: so I just use webcalendar - it states its aim clearly and seems to work *reasonably* |
| 14:43.13 | bwlang | Dewi: all i need is a calendar sharing program that can support outlook sync. |
| 14:43.14 | shafire_ | Dewi, whole start stop script because i need it every restart |
| 14:43.23 | bwlang | dewi: i'll check it out |
| 14:43.33 | Dewi | shafire_: pidfiles are normally the best approach. I'm just not sure how to make one for python |
| 14:43.33 | asg | shafire_: sorry, 4) ctrl+a+c |
| 14:43.45 | PerfDave | In shafire_'s position, I'd use an @reboot cronjob |
| 14:43.47 | Dewi | bwlang: you might not be in luck there |
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| 14:43.53 | olleolleolle | (Say, getting unstable for amd64. Am running Sarge. My questions are not very sharp, I can tell.) |
| 14:44.00 | PerfDave | !sid faq |
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| 14:44.01 | dpkg | it has been said that sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 14:44.04 | asg | olleolleolle: try #debian-amd64 |
| 14:44.05 | Dewi | bwlang: MS is a lot further along than open source when it comes to calendar sharing and that kind of thing (sorry guys) |
| 14:44.12 | stephane | Hello Everybody |
| 14:44.14 | olleolleolle | asg: Thanks. |
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| 14:44.23 | PerfDave | Dewi: Have you used MS's calendar sharing stuff? |
| 14:44.23 | bwlang | Dewi: this looks like a possibility http://sourceforge.net/projects/webcal-outlook/ |
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| 14:44.44 | bwlang | Dewi: i'm not about to start using exchange... |
| 14:44.45 | Dewi | PerfDave: actually no. Is it all hype and no working code like the opensource stuff? :D |
| 14:45.07 | PerfDave | biatche: Depends what you want really. 3.1r4 is the current stable release, it has very few bugs and good security infrastructure. 4.0 will be there soon (in a month or two hopefully) but is a little turbulent currently. |
| 14:45.09 | Dewi | PerfDave: anyway, just outlook itself is a lot better than mozilla sunbird |
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| 14:45.32 | PerfDave | Dewi: It *works*, but it's fucking painful to use. |
| 14:45.33 | Dewi | PerfDave: which kind of surprises me because I daresay I could duplicate Outlook's calendar myself given a month or two off work |
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| 14:45.51 | biatche | ok, and the downside of 3.1r4? its really out of date? |
| 14:45.52 | stephane | Where can i get Webmin for Debian/etch ? |
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| 14:45.57 | xingu | Dewi: ... and another brokensourceforget project is born... |
| 14:46.03 | Dewi | PerfDave: I actually run outlook JUST for the calendar. And the todo list. But I use it for nothing else. |
| 14:46.12 | PerfDave | biatche: Depends on your definition of "really out of date". It's perfectly usable. |
| 14:46.29 | Dewi | PerfDave: hmmmm. |
| 14:46.30 | PerfDave | Then again, at least the Free stuff is better than GNU/Linux-based propriatery software like Groupwise, Notes etc. |
| 14:46.33 | biatche | ok |
| 14:46.39 | Dewi | PerfDave: to be honest, dave... I have to install a LOT of backports onto sarge |
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| 14:46.44 | Ronin | !tell stephane about webmin |
| 14:46.54 | PerfDave | Dewi: What for? |
| 14:47.02 | xingu | calendaring is life's way of telling you that you spend far too much time dealing with events that intrinsically don't matter |
| 14:47.09 | Dewi | PerfDave: Postgres and PHP for starters |
| 14:47.20 | Dewi | PerfDave: nobody has used PG7.4 or PHP4 in a looooong time now |
| 14:47.23 | PerfDave | Dewi: I don't use PHP, and the Postgres in Sarge is fine for me. |
| 14:47.33 | PerfDave | Dewi: I don't think that's actually true :) |
| 14:47.34 | Dewi | 3+ years iirc |
| 14:47.44 | biatche | i assume i should be getting i386 for x86 platform? speaking of which.... doesn't this mean it's really unoptimized for modern machines? |
| 14:47.45 | Dewi | as in PHP5 was out a year before sarge shipped |
| 14:48.00 | PerfDave | PHP was out but not stable when Sarge shipped. |
| 14:48.24 | Dewi | PerfDave: oh, don't get me wrong |
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| 14:48.34 | Dewi | PerfDave: their definition of stable is VASTLY different from my idea, or debian's |
| 14:48.42 | Dewi | I don't think PHP is stable NOW |
| 14:48.44 | PerfDave | biatche: No. The x86 version of Debian contains kernels optimised for most x86 processors, as well as a glibc optimised for 686 or better. |
| 14:48.47 | Dewi | I don't think it ever WILL be :P |
| 14:49.00 | PerfDave | s/x86/i386/ |
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| 14:49.11 | biatche | PerfDave: im talking about the packges. as for kernel, ill most likely build my own customized kernel. |
| 14:49.33 | PerfDave | biatche: Why would you build your own customised kernel when Debian provides such lovely ones for you? |
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| 14:50.04 | Dewi | biatche: to be honest, I'm not sure how much benefit compilation for the latest instruction sets really gets you... apart from places like the kernel and maybe glibc |
| 14:50.09 | biatche | i like clean kernels, and i also like different schedulers from -ck kon kolivas kernels |
| 14:50.10 | Dewi | biatche: or specific programs that really NEED it |
| 14:50.27 | shafire_ | ************************ community |
| 14:50.30 | PerfDave | biatche: Debian kernels are *very* clean. |
| 14:50.31 | Dewi | biatche: but there's really no reason to say "all software must run k7 instruction sets" or something like that |
| 14:51.06 | Dewi | personally I'd much rather my software working than running 0.00001% faster :) |
| 14:51.14 | biatche | you guys are experienced, im still earning.. well ill give debian kernel a go |
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| 14:51.44 | biatche | you see, im previously from gentoo.... and we have everything pretty much optimized for the machine :/ |
| 14:51.52 | PerfDave | biatche: If I were you, I'd go for 4.0 - it's pretty damn good at the moment, and will be more future-proof. What are you going to use the machine for other than Samba? |
| 14:51.57 | dvs | !gentoosmite biatche |
| 14:52.01 | PerfDave | biatche: No, Gentoo has everything hand-compiled for the machine, not optimised. |
| 14:52.35 | biatche | samba+ldap pdc (wanna play with this and see how far i can get), lan mail server.... thats about it |
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| 14:53.04 | biatche | PerfDave: yes, but shouldn't that mean its optimized for the machine? |
| 14:53.21 | asg | biatche: not necessarily; optimization can often introduce hard to track down bugs |
| 14:53.28 | PerfDave | biatche: It *should*, but it rarely does unless you're intimately familiar with the source of each individual app and know a lot about how compilers work. |
| 14:53.41 | PerfDave | biatche: It's the fallacy of Gentoo :) |
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| 14:54.16 | biatche | I don't really like one thing about gentoo is that it takes toooo much time to compile, it's not easy to maintain |
| 14:54.21 | Thug-N-Me | /etc/init.d/inetd restartbash: /etc/init.d/inetd: No such file or directory |
| 14:54.31 | Suprano | how to start a program without Windowmanager ? |
| 14:54.37 | biatche | I tried a clean distro like arch, but it just wasn't complete. |
| 14:54.38 | Thug-N-Me | any idea ? apt-get install inetd no such file |
| 14:54.38 | Suprano | .. a second X |
| 14:54.40 | asg | Thug-N-Me: it's /etc/init.d/inet |
| 14:54.45 | Thug-N-Me | ok |
| 14:54.58 | Thug-N-Me | bash: /etc/init.d/inet: No such file or directory |
| 14:55.00 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 14:55.01 | biatche | And here, I'm thinking maybe debian could be great for servers? ... either this or opensuse..... both which i've never tried before. |
| 14:55.02 | asg | Thug-N-Me: hmm, my mistake it isn't |
| 14:55.10 | asg | Thug-N-Me: apt-cache search inetd |
| 14:55.27 | giupy | does debian source kernel have the bootsplash patch too ? |
| 14:55.36 | PerfDave | biatche: IME Debian's great for everything, my desktop, server and laptop all run it :) |
| 14:56.09 | PerfDave | Along with my girlfriend's desktop and her work laptop before she had to give it back :( |
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| 14:57.06 | biatche | ok. so and so... ill give 4.0 a try |
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| 14:57.16 | biatche | i hope it ain't too hard to setup :x |
| 14:57.26 | Thug-N-Me | asg /etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd Inetd is the daemon that listens on various TCP and UDP ports and spawns programs that can't or won't do it for themselves. |
| 14:57.32 | Thug-N-Me | asg that must be it |
| 14:57.46 | asg | Thug-N-Me: are you running unstable or etch? |
| 14:57.52 | Thug-N-Me | etch |
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| 14:58.21 | asg | Thug-N-Me: I think they changed it to openbsd-inetd |
| 14:58.38 | PerfDave | biatche: Takes me about 15 minutes to install from DVD |
| 14:58.54 | asg | Thug-N-Me: it used to be netkit-inetd. Pretty sure openbsd-inetd is the one in etch now. |
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| 14:59.03 | asg | !info openbsd-inetd etch |
| 14:59.13 | dpkg | openbsd-inetd: (The OpenBSD Internet Superserver), section net, is important. Version: 0.20050402-4 (etch), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 14:59.51 | Thug-N-Me | whats OpenBSD got to do with debian ? |
| 14:59.51 | Dewi | I'm so glad they finally did that |
| 15:00.00 | Thug-N-Me | installing that will The following packages will be REMOVED inetutils-inetd |
| 15:00.03 | Dewi | the old inetd was needlessly useless |
| 15:00.14 | asg | Thug-N-Me: they ported the OpenBSD inetd implementation and added some Debian specific stuff. |
| 15:00.33 | asg | PerfDave: true, xinetd has some nice features |
| 15:00.42 | Thug-N-Me | so should i got for openbsd-inetd or stick with inetutils-inetd ? |
| 15:00.58 | Dewi | PerfDave: I have a feeling openbsd added a lot of the shininess with less bloat, or something |
| 15:01.04 | asg | Thug-N-Me: try them both, decide which suits your needs. Or look at xinetd. |
| 15:01.20 | Thug-N-Me | aight |
| 15:01.23 | biatche | Should I take the etch RC1 release or current weekly snapshot? |
| 15:02.15 | Dewi | biatche: probably rc1. It doesn't install much (if you opt not to install heaps at the start) |
| 15:02.25 | Dewi | biatche: and it's a good bootstrap for uploading to latest |
| 15:02.46 | biatche | Clean and bare is good |
| 15:03.16 | biatche | I know nothing bout debian right now, so sorry for asking these questions :X |
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| 15:04.28 | Dewi | biatche: it will invite you to install big blocks of packages like "desktop environment" or "file server" |
| 15:04.43 | Dewi | biatche: check none of those boxes and you'll get quite minimal |
| 15:04.58 | Dewi | (has perl but doesn't even have ssh) |
| 15:05.03 | biatche | Ya, I hope to work my way from minimal. Shouldn't be too hard. |
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| 15:05.52 | biatche | damn, aren't there mirrors on debian official site. |
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| 15:06.00 | andriijas | how can i add custom DNS servers to use on my debian machine? my isps are down. cant seem to find in man interfaces what to add |
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| 15:06.25 | Dewi | biatche: I installed it the other day and immediately added: ssh, debian-archive-keyring (to remove apt crypto warnings), sudo, less |
| 15:06.27 | pt | hi, do we need to do anything about /etc/modules to load the modules in debian? i found /etc/modprobe.d and /etc/modutils, do we really need this /etc/modules file? |
| 15:06.33 | Dewi | biatche: so it really didn't start with much. |
| 15:07.22 | biatche | woops didn't notice the top right corner... so thats what they got rather than mirrors :/ |
| 15:07.27 | Dewi | biatche: um, there are various mirrors but they wait for the actual release to have big lists of mirrors |
| 15:07.39 | Dewi | for that particular iamge |
| 15:07.40 | Dewi | image |
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| 15:08.06 | PerfDave | biatche: I'd download the weekly snapshot, since you'll be updating to it anyway. |
| 15:08.27 | Dewi | PerfDave: I'm always tempted but it doesn't have a netinst listed |
| 15:08.32 | Dewi | PerfDave: so... 700mb? |
| 15:08.40 | Dewi | seems a bit much |
| 15:08.44 | PerfDave | Dewi: I never use netinst, I normally just jigit a DVD |
| 15:08.48 | skandaleras | pt: add your module to /etc/modules if you want it to load in boot time |
| 15:08.58 | Dewi | PerfDave: I have a big pipe but not that big :P |
| 15:09.11 | biatche | Btw, why the heck are there 20 over cds for FULL version :/ |
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| 15:09.11 | biatche | that's....... so.... massive |
| 15:09.12 | Dewi | biatche: because that's how much software is available |
| 15:09.15 | PerfDave | biatche: Debian has a *lot* of software, plus source. |
| 15:09.38 | PerfDave | Dewi: My pipe is quite small, that's why I'd rather download 700Mb overnight and not have to wait for stuff while I'm actually sat at the machine :) |
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| 15:09.52 | agent | what program checks a raw source code of a program (not src deb) and tries to install the required dependencies needed to build said source code? |
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| 15:10.34 | pt | skandaleras : e.g. if i need just nvidia module, can i just simply say nvida ? i found that i have also my nic card module (b44) but after i modprobe it, i dont need to add this manually in /etc/modules, previously we have modules.conf but i heard that it was removed from etch. |
| 15:10.41 | asg | agent: gnu autoconf, though it won't install required bits, only point out the ones that are missing |
| 15:10.42 | Dewi | agent: running the configure script should complain about whatever's missing |
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| 15:10.56 | biatche | ouch, main link too slow for me. so there no mirrors now for daily snapshot? |
| 15:10.58 | Dewi | agent: and if it doesn't have a configure script, use gnu autoconf |
| 15:11.16 | andriijas | how do i configure the dns servers that the system uses? (i wish to not setup my own dns server) please. |
| 15:11.32 | Dewi | biatche: dunno about the dailies. You might have to explore the bigger mirrors and see what you see |
| 15:11.32 | graytron | andriijas: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:11.47 | PerfDave | andriijas: /etc/resolv.conf or /etc/network/interfaces if you have the resolvconf package installed |
| 15:11.51 | skandaleras | pt: removed from etch? I'm over a etch rigth now :_O |
| 15:11.53 | agent | asg, Dewi: i thought there was a debian specific program that will check the configure script or whatnot and will try to apt-get required build dependencies.... i used something like that before but i forgot the name of the program :( |
| 15:12.16 | Dewi | agent: they might be but I've not heard of it |
| 15:12.29 | Dewi | agent: you should however install 'build-essential' to get your basic tools |
| 15:12.36 | asg | agent: yeah, not familiar with any util like that |
| 15:12.44 | agent | asg, Dewi although it may have been autoconf and i am not remembering it correctly.... regardless, thank you for your help, i will just try autoconf :) |
| 15:12.46 | andriijas | PerfDave: ty |
| 15:12.58 | skandaleras | pt: if you need a module called just "nvidia", just add nvidia to this file |
| 15:13.13 | pt | skandaleras : yes, i meant /etc/modules.conf, i just installed etch from dvd and i cannot find this file anymore. |
| 15:13.13 | x_link | When would it be good to install Debian amd64 ? |
| 15:13.14 | Dewi | agent: autoconf isn't meant to identify dependancies if nobody has given you a 'configure' script. |
| 15:13.19 | Dewi | agent: sorry IS meant |
| 15:13.27 | x_link | A guy told me to not install it yet cause i's not done yet. |
| 15:13.36 | fasta | x_link: For what purposes? |
| 15:13.36 | asg | agent: maybe something in the devscripts package; not sure though |
| 15:13.55 | Dewi | x_link: amd64 does tend to lag behind a bit |
| 15:13.59 | CharminTheMoose | how do i take my root filesystem and make root.gz out of it? |
| 15:14.01 | agent | Dewi: i have the configure scripts needed so im okay :) |
| 15:14.04 | skandaleras | pt: /etc/modules.conf is generated automatically by update-modules |
| 15:14.05 | PerfDave | x_link: Debian 3.1 has an unofficial amd64 port which is good. Debian 4.0 has an official amd64 port, but 4.0 isn't released yet. |
| 15:14.07 | pt | skanaleras : i already added it but after i reboot, the module does not be loaded properly unless i call nvidia-installer from nvidia. |
| 15:14.08 | fasta | x_link: I have been running it over at least on year, I think. |
| 15:14.14 | PerfDave | x_link: However, 4.0 is still very usable. |
| 15:14.25 | fasta | x_link: (even before it was released) |
| 15:14.31 | andriijas | PerfDave: do i need to restart networking afterwards? |
| 15:14.41 | Dewi | agent: let me put it this way, if configure spits the dummy and you can't easily 'apt-cache search' the -devel package it is talking about, just ask in here |
| 15:14.48 | pt | skandaleras : okie, i will try with update-modules, brb. |
| 15:14.48 | skandaleras | pt: but you shouldn't touch /etc/modules.conf |
| 15:14.58 | PerfDave | andriijas: If you edited /etc/resolv.conf then no, if you edited /etc/network/interfaces then yes |
| 15:15.09 | x_link | PerfDave: 4.0 ? |
| 15:15.18 | x_link | fasta: Is amd64 better than 32? |
| 15:15.27 | fasta | x_link: define better |
| 15:15.29 | andriijas | PerfDave: wierd. i added some dns servers to resolf.conf but ping google.com still doesnt work. pinging its ip does work though |
| 15:15.32 | x_link | Is it faster/more stable ec. |
| 15:15.33 | PerfDave | x_link: Debian 4.0, codename etch. Currently the testing branch, soon (hopefully) to be the new stable release. |
| 15:15.34 | agent | Dewi: will do :) |
| 15:15.47 | x_link | PerfDave: Hrmm ok. Should I upgrade to that? |
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| 15:15.53 | x_link | I don't know which Etch version I have |
| 15:15.55 | PerfDave | x_link: You can just install it straight off. |
| 15:16.17 | PerfDave | x_link: Etch == 4.0 (or at least it will be after release). |
| 15:16.33 | Dewi | anyway, I'm not going to get any sleep talking to you fellows. Have a nice day, everyone. |
| 15:16.36 | pt | skandaleras : i dont have this file at all after i install debian etch, built some weeks ago. this makes me surprised and someone told me that the module.conf is not used anymore...but i have to refer to modprobe.d |
| 15:16.40 | fasta | x_link: hard to tell, but it should be about the same (getting codecs to work is somewhat more difficult) |
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| 15:17.15 | x_link | ok |
| 15:17.15 | PerfDave | amd64 is faster for some purposes, slower for others. Some (particularly non-Free) software has issues with it still. |
| 15:17.25 | skandaleras | pt: I have a Debian Etch too, but that file exists |
| 15:17.38 | x_link | hrmm I think I will stay with Debian 32. |
| 15:17.42 | fasta | amd64 applications take more memory often |
| 15:17.49 | Dewi | skandaleras: maybe you installed before the change |
| 15:17.56 | Dewi | skandaleras: I seem to have both |
| 15:17.59 | PerfDave | x_link: What are you intending on doing with your machine? |
| 15:18.01 | skandaleras | pt: Dewi: :_O |
| 15:18.11 | Dewi | pt: tried running modconf? |
| 15:18.14 | x_link | PerfDave: I'm a newbie, so I'm just learning. |
| 15:18.48 | Dewi | pt: assuming your module didn't automatically probe |
| 15:18.48 | x_link | PerfDave: Waching movies, music, irssi, firefox, reading, and Beryl |
| 15:18.48 | pt | skandaleras : i am using etch too but i encouter this prob on my notebook. |
| 15:18.48 | asg | Dewi: aren't you supposed to be sleeping? |
| 15:18.48 | pt | Dewi : okie, good idea : ) |
| 15:18.48 | fasta | x_link: if you want to learn what chroot is you should take the 64 bits route |
| 15:18.49 | x_link | PerfDave: The Etch version I use now will be stable or what? |
| 15:19.06 | x_link | fasta: chroo? |
| 15:19.11 | x_link | chroot? |
| 15:19.19 | fasta | x_link: yes |
| 15:19.23 | fasta | !chroot |
| 15:19.23 | dpkg | i heard chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 15:19.25 | Dewi | asg: Yeah I'm a completely shameful liar. |
| 15:19.26 | x_link | What does that mean |
| 15:19.30 | pt | dewi: i dont have modconf |
| 15:19.47 | x_link | How can I see which Debian Etch version I use? |
| 15:19.50 | PerfDave | x_link: You won't get any particular benefit from amd64 for those purposes. |
| 15:19.51 | pt | dewi: is it part of some utililities ? |
| 15:20.08 | PerfDave | x_link: What do you mean by "stable" and "the Etch version"? |
| 15:20.25 | x_link | PerfDave: I will stay with 32 system. |
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| 15:20.43 | x_link | PerfDave: I use Debian Etch. But somebody said something about Etch 4.0 |
| 15:20.49 | PerfDave | x_link: Etch is a release-in-preparation. The software in it is mostly frozen now, but a few major bugs are still being fixed. |
| 15:21.00 | PerfDave | x_link: When Etch is deemed to be stable, it will be released as Debian 4.0. |
| 15:21.05 | PerfDave | !nomenclature |
| 15:21.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nomenclature is how we refer to Debian releases, branches and versions - see http://sparky.ox.compsoc.net/~grimoire/howto/nomenclature.html for a guide |
| 15:21.13 | PerfDave | x_link: Try reading that link :) |
| 15:21.19 | x_link | PerfDave: Okey... |
| 15:21.21 | Dewi | somebody tell pt how to install a module. I'm not sure if modconf is still the most up-to-date approach. |
| 15:21.24 | x_link | Thanks for explaining. |
| 15:21.24 | Kerr | fk |
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| 15:21.35 | x_link | PerfDave: But will my Etch version become stable or what? |
| 15:21.52 | x_link | Or will it just be the new version of Etch? |
| 15:21.59 | pt | dewi: i found in the apt-cache search, i will install this package. |
| 15:22.05 | Dewi | x_link: etch becomes stable. Testing does not' |
| 15:22.12 | Dewi | pt: yeah, worth a try |
| 15:22.27 | Dewi | pt: I have always used it; I am just worried about giving you out of date info |
| 15:22.27 | x_link | Dewi: But Testing is Etch ? |
| 15:22.32 | x_link | I use DEbian Etch/Testing |
| 15:22.56 | Dewi | x_link: etch is currently MARKED testing. But etch will become stable, testing is always testing |
| 15:23.10 | PerfDave | x_link: Really, try reading http://sparky.ox.compsoc.net/~grimoire/howto/nomenclature.html and see if that helps. |
| 15:23.15 | Dewi | x_link: you can actually use one term or the other in your /etc/apt/sources.list depending on which you want to track |
| 15:23.49 | Dewi | x_link: in other words, on release day "testing" and "etch" will start to mean different things. Today they are identical |
| 15:24.13 | pt | dewi, skandaleras : many thanks, brb. i have only one cable (another cable was just broken), gotta unplug this pc....brb... |
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| 15:24.23 | x_link | hrmm ok |
| 15:24.31 | x_link | But if I want to continue using what I use right now. |
| 15:24.38 | x_link | What should I do then? |
| 15:24.42 | skandaleras | pt: saludos ;) |
| 15:25.05 | skandaleras | pt: I hope I can help u nex time |
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| 15:25.31 | PerfDave | x_link: Do you want to continue using Etch after it goes stable, or do you want to continue using the Debian testing release no matter what it's called? I suspect you want the former, since "testing" will be pretty rocky after release as new packages come flooding in from unstable. |
| 15:26.10 | x_link | PerfDave: Hrmm I don' know what/which to use. |
| 15:26.23 | enouf | x_link: stop . and think a moment |
| 15:26.25 | x_link | I read that site a little bit.. Sill don't understand it 100% |
| 15:26.38 | PerfDave | Try reading it a big bit. It has nice clear examples. |
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| 15:26.43 | x_link | Etch will become stable.... |
| 15:26.50 | jachin | how can i install debian without cd from ftp |
| 15:27.13 | fasta | jachin: it makes more sense to tell what options you do have |
| 15:27.16 | x_link | Testing will be the "unstable" version then |
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| 15:27.39 | enouf | right now .. sarge=stable / etch=testing / sid=unstable .. afterward the 4.0 Release --> etch=stable / larry=testing / sid=unstable |
| 15:27.39 | jachin | i can use floppy |
| 15:27.52 | PerfDave | x_link: When etch is released, stable and testing will be the same thing. Then packages will flow from unstable into testing, and the two will start to diverge. |
| 15:28.01 | PerfDave | jachin: Read the Debian Installation Manual for your installation options. |
| 15:28.19 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 15:28.52 | x_link | THen Testing will have newer versions of apps than Etch will have, right? |
| 15:28.52 | CJari | hey, any one know how to setup null modem connection? |
| 15:28.52 | x_link | Then I guess I would like to have Testing. |
| 15:28.54 | CJari | or null cable |
| 15:28.56 | cahoot | my god ins't etch/testing matter chewed enough anytime? |
| 15:28.59 | PerfDave | x_link: Yes. The stable release doesn't get newer software, just security updates. |
| 15:29.01 | jachin | will debian work good on a Celeron CPU? |
| 15:29.11 | x_link | cahoot: Sorry mate =/ |
| 15:29.11 | PerfDave | jachin: It should be fine. |
| 15:29.31 | x_link | jachin: Debian worked on my Intel PII 450Mhz =) |
| 15:29.44 | enouf | x_link: Smart move would be to wait a few months to change etch to testing in sources.list, unless you want to help work out the bugs from incoming |
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| 15:29.51 | PerfDave | x_link: I would *recommend* that you stick with Etch until you have a pressing need not to. Newer does not always mean better, and tracking Debian's stable release gives you better security and less concerns about random packaging bugs. |
| 15:30.14 | PerfDave | Debian works on my 133MHz Pentium :) |
| 15:30.40 | enouf | x_link: you have read the info from a --> /msg dpkg releases .. yes? |
| 15:32.44 | jachin | i cant find the floppy images for debian |
| 15:33.01 | PerfDave | jachin: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
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| 15:33.33 | jachin | yes, it says you can install debian with a few image floppies but not where i can find it |
| 15:33.51 | x_link | enouf: Okey, then I will stick with the version that I have. |
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| 15:34.34 | enouf | x_link: ;-) |
| 15:34.34 | PerfDave | jachin: Which release of Debian are you trying to install? |
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| 15:34.44 | PerfDave | x_link: Make sure that your sources.list contains "etch" instead of "testing" then |
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| 15:34.47 | jachin | i want to install the latest stable version |
| 15:35.14 | x_link | PerfDave: I have Etch in my sources.list righ now |
| 15:35.16 | x_link | right now |
| 15:35.19 | christopherl | how can I search for a file using command line? |
| 15:35.31 | asg | christopherl: find(1) |
| 15:35.45 | enouf | christopherl: locate, find, grep |
| 15:35.58 | PerfDave | x_link: Good good |
| 15:36.05 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/331105 |
| 15:36.06 | christopherl | thanks |
| 15:36.11 | x_link | PerfDave: Take a look at tha if you want. |
| 15:36.25 | x_link | My "t" button doesn't work that good. |
| 15:37.08 | enouf | !tell x_link -about apt howto |
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| 15:37.21 | PerfDave | x_link: It's OK, I trust you ;) |
| 15:37.27 | cahoot | debian reference too |
| 15:37.58 | blondie | 234 |
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| 15:39.56 | PerfDave | jachin: OK, so that's four clicks off the debian.org homepage - "latest stable release", "installation information", an arch name under "other images (netboot, usb stick, floppy, tape, etc)" and then "floppies" |
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| 15:40.34 | shafire | start-stop-daemon --start --background --chuid dennis --exec "python /home/dennis/typex/colubrid.scgi" |
| 15:40.36 | shafire | whats wrong? |
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| 15:44.40 | shafire | so thanks for help |
| 15:44.46 | Thug--N-Me | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.48 | shafire | enjoy this movie |
| 15:44.48 | shafire | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaHtA89RHUQ&eurl= |
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| 15:44.54 | Thug--N-Me | dam qmail doesnt let me send email |
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| 15:46.53 | cyzie | is there any gui / ncurses which allow me to build the module ? so i dont need to modprobe everytime |
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| 15:47.50 | asg | cyzie: module-assistant (maybe, depends on the module in question) |
| 15:47.52 | Eclipser | module-assistant |
| 15:48.03 | x_link | PerfDave: USian? hehe |
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| 15:48.06 | x_link | What is that? |
| 15:48.30 | asg | x_link: someone from the US |
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| 15:49.07 | giupy | when i try to mount an external hd with ntfs created with gparted or with xp i see this msg on dmesg |
| 15:49.08 | giupy | NTFS-fs error (device sdb1): load_system_files(): $LogFile is not clean. Mounting read-only. Mount in Windows. |
| 15:49.22 | giupy | and i ca't write on it.....what can i do ? |
| 15:49.28 | x_link | asg: ahh ok hehe |
| 15:49.29 | Eclipser | mount it in windows |
| 15:49.32 | Eclipser | as it says |
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| 15:49.35 | x_link | PerfDave: I live in Sweden, bu I'm armenian. |
| 15:50.28 | PerfDave | x_link: OK, I just noticed that your sources.list had ftp.us.debian.org and assumed. I'm not sure about in Sweden, but most of the debian-multimedia repository is illegal in the US. |
| 15:50.35 | hark | giupy: try #ntfs |
| 15:50.44 | cyzie | asg modconf |
| 15:50.52 | Eclipser | PerfDave, who cares about that? :) |
| 15:50.59 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Lawyers? |
| 15:51.19 | PerfDave | Oh, and politicians, software developers and large corporations. |
| 15:51.29 | asg | cyzie: never used it myself. I've always just added modules I wanted to load to /etc/modules |
| 15:51.31 | Eclipser | I'm a software developer and I don't care! |
| 15:51.40 | Eclipser | though I'm not american (thank god for that) eitehr |
| 15:51.55 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Well, you should :) |
| 15:52.00 | x_link | PerfDave: Do you know a better repo ? |
| 15:52.06 | Eclipser | PerfDave, why I wonder |
| 15:52.12 | PerfDave | x_link: What do you mean by "better"? |
| 15:52.13 | x_link | PerfDave: If you know any better than please tell me so that I know. |
| 15:52.37 | cyzie | asg, that ncurses allow u to build it into the kernel. i think its good |
| 15:52.42 | Eclipser | !u |
| 15:52.43 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:53.11 | x_link | PerfDave: I don' know.. forget about i. |
| 15:53.14 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Because software patents affect the Free Software community worldwide, stopping developers from creating software and users from benefitting from it. |
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| 15:53.41 | PerfDave | Eclipser: And because large corporations are constantly trying to force software patents on other countries, so we need to be eternally vigilant against that. |
| 15:53.48 | Thug--N-Me | how do i add Secure IMAP (TLS) : false to SquirrelMail config ? |
| 15:53.49 | asg | cyzie: oh, that just installs a module. It doesn't build it in the sense we thought you were talking about |
| 15:53.52 | Eclipser | PerfDave, that's another matter, I just don't care if software is "illegal" or not |
| 15:54.28 | PerfDave | Eclipser: That's not another matter. The stuff in debian-multimedia is illegal in the US because it infringes software patents. |
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| 15:55.51 | Eclipser | PerfDave, sure but who actually cares about if it's illegal when they use it? most regular people won't and as long as there's no software patents here I don't have to worry about the dumb americans do |
| 15:56.19 | xored | why is my DNS server not able to resolv adresses, when i set him behind a firefall ? he can resolv the internal zones i defined, but not the rest.. when i set him up as router, not behind the other router, he is able to resolve |
| 15:56.38 | christopherl | anyone know how to save a file using vim in command line? |
| 15:56.47 | asg | christopherl: :w |
| 15:56.51 | christopherl | thanks |
| 15:56.52 | Eclipser | christopherl, huh? |
| 15:57.03 | asg | christopherl: make sure to hist ESC a few times to get out of insert mode |
| 15:57.05 | Eclipser | "using vim in command line"... |
| 15:57.06 | asg | *hit |
| 15:57.14 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Users should be aware that by using the repository they are risking a large lawsuit. |
| 15:57.16 | asg | Eclipser: as opposed to gvim with its menus and crap |
| 15:57.23 | christopherl | ok |
| 15:57.38 | Eclipser | asg, it just sounded like he wanted to use vim as a middlehand to something else :) |
| 15:57.41 | asg | christopherl: you might prefer using nano until you learn about vi |
| 15:57.51 | christopherl | ok |
| 15:58.10 | PerfDave | Eclipser: The global development process of the software you use is being harmed by what the "dumb americans" do, so it does affect you. |
| 15:58.12 | Eclipser | PerfDave, after all american money has been drained by the corporations, they'll fall miserably :) |
| 15:58.12 | asg | Eclipser: hard to say :) |
| 15:59.05 | PerfDave | Eclipser: And to be honest, it's pretty selfish of you to say "other people are being harmed, but it doesn't affect me so I don't care". |
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| 15:59.24 | Trewas | Eclipser: actually there are even some finnish patents mentioned in mpeg-4 patent list, for example, so it is not strictly restricted to software patents |
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| 15:59.44 | Eclipser | PerfDave, anyone who claims not to be selfish is a hypocrite |
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| 16:00.13 | Eclipser | Trewas, even so, I couldn't care less |
| 16:00.18 | amphi | Trewas: the .eu patent office blithely issues sw patents, apparently, but they have no legal force (yet) |
| 16:00.27 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Anyone who thinks it's cool to be selfish is an ass. |
| 16:00.27 | Trewas | Eclipser: neither do I :) |
| 16:00.36 | x_link | baaah. how to kick/ban a user with irssi? |
| 16:00.43 | PerfDave | x_link: /kick user |
| 16:00.51 | x_link | PerfDave: okj |
| 16:00.53 | PerfDave | x_link: /knockout user |
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| 16:01.00 | shafire | how can i start this command every restart="/etc/init.d/colubrid start" |
| 16:01.11 | x_link | PerfDave: /knockout user = bann? |
| 16:01.14 | PerfDave | shafire: update-rc.d |
| 16:01.18 | PerfDave | x_link: /help knockout |
| 16:01.21 | Eclipser | PerfDave, I never said so, everyone who thinks that a man can be selfless is living in clouds though |
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| 16:01.37 | PerfDave | Eclipser: There are degrees of selfishness. |
| 16:02.07 | PerfDave | And ignoring software patents because they're not currently enforced in your country is foolish. |
| 16:02.11 | Eclipser | everyone is selfish and yet everyone says it's not nice to be selfish |
| 16:02.19 | x_link | PerfDave: Ahh thanks alot mate! |
| 16:02.23 | Eclipser | PerfDave, I never said I'm ignoring them.. |
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| 16:02.30 | Thug--N-Me | Bad sequence of commands Server replied: 503 AUTH command used when not advertised |
| 16:02.31 | malf | With the discussion on software patents having successfully been circumvented via comments about selfishness, Malf wanders off |
| 16:02.37 | Thug--N-Me | anyone knows what wrong with that ? |
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| 16:03.07 | PerfDave | Eclipser: But you're not worried abou thtem. |
| 16:03.24 | Eclipser | PerfDave, if I were, I wouldn't have any time to code |
| 16:03.43 | Eclipser | if I hear something about them and I can do something about it then I'll act |
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| 16:03.56 | Eclipser | I'm not actively following it because I have other things to do |
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| 16:06.27 | PerfDave | I don't find it takes much time to be aware of something. |
| 16:06.44 | Eclipser | well you're not me and I'm not you :) |
| 16:06.52 | PerfDave | Eclipser: Thankfully. |
| 16:06.54 | Eclipser | I don't even have the time to follow the news |
| 16:07.23 | Eclipser | got better things to do |
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| 16:08.00 | CHodapp_ | let me summarize... BUSH TERRISM TERRISM (oil) TERRISM TERRISM NUKULAR (oil) PATRIOTISM |
| 16:08.01 | Eclipser | haha |
| 16:08.08 | Eclipser | CHodapp_, thanks! |
| 16:08.36 | CHodapp_ | in other news, drugs are still being sold, the terrorists haven't lost, people still die, people still do sick stuff, and politicians still lie. |
| 16:08.51 | Malf | WOAH WOAH WOAH |
| 16:08.54 | Malf | HOLD THE PHONE |
| 16:08.57 | Malf | people still die? |
| 16:08.57 | Thug--N-Me | how do i tell smpt to disable authentication ? |
| 16:09.05 | CHodapp_ | Malf: yeah. |
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| 16:09.31 | Malf | CHodapp_: brb then... I have a few calls to make |
| 16:09.39 | ankon | hi. is there a special channel for the debian.exe tool? |
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| 16:09.51 | Eclipser | what is debian.exe tool? :) |
| 16:10.03 | CHodapp_ | Is that the Win32 installer for Debian? |
| 16:10.15 | ankon | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/27/2053250 |
| 16:10.24 | khaleel5000 | Hi I have debian etch , I have an Imate smartphone 2 (which uses windows ce ) is there a way I can syncronyze this phone and access its contents and stuff in linux? |
| 16:10.34 | ankon | http://andreas.syndrom23.de/dump/debian .. yes, it is, and it is doing extremly evil things. |
| 16:11.04 | CHodapp_ | HERE! It...oh, that's only Win31 |
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| 16:12.21 | ankon | thing is, writing things to the root drive on windows isn't really something that one should do, especially not on vista. afaics, the installer is targeted at these people, so they will get strange 'he, you not admin!' errors very early. |
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| 16:13.04 | CHodapp_ | What does this installer use, loopback or UMSDOS or something? Or do you mean writing to the partition record? |
| 16:13.12 | miwi | hi friends |
| 16:13.30 | CHodapp_ | hey miwi |
| 16:13.54 | ankon | well, it seems to create c:\debian, downloads things, tries to create c:\gldr, and then does i-don't-know-what-magic to boot into that debian |
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| 16:15.29 | Malf | khaleel5000: At a quick glance there appears to be jpilot for syncing with palm pilots (I don't know that it will necessarily work with your phone however) and sylpheed (an email client) has a plugin: sylpheed-claws-gtk2-synce-plugin - Addressbook synchronization with Windows CE devices |
| 16:15.29 | ankon | all with really not that many questions about 'are you sure', which i'd expect for a os-install, even if it just was a linux-on-windows. but, that's the reason for the original question, if you knew some channel where the devs hang around |
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| 16:16.10 | Thug--N-Me | SMTP STARTTLS is enabled in SquirrelMail configuration, but used SMTP server does not support it |
| 16:16.13 | khaleel5000 | Malf: thanks , any suggestion where I can khwow furthur about this thing (I mean you said QUICK GLANCE ) so is there any specific plaace where I can dig up this matter (except google , I have searched alot ) |
| 16:16.13 | Thug--N-Me | dam |
| 16:16.19 | Thug--N-Me | everytime a new error ;) |
| 16:16.22 | astinus | What's the easiest way to force Debian to recognize my SAS and U320 controllers *before* any SATA controllers? Otherwise I end up with my root filesystem being on like /dev/sdm, and GRUB isnt' liking that too much! |
| 16:16.39 | astinus | ie: I need aic79xx to load /before/ sata_mv |
| 16:16.47 | Malf | khaleel5000: I just searched the package list for smartphones and for palm pilots and came across those |
| 16:17.06 | khaleel5000 | Malf: which repo you using ? |
| 16:17.07 | Malf | khaleel5000: I'm honestly not too sure where to look other than perhaps looking up documentation on those packages to see if they do what oyu need |
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| 16:18.07 | Malf | khaleel5000: I've got a couple used at the moment: mirrors.kernel.org and ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:18.39 | Malf | khaleel5000: Basically though I've never tried anything like that before so I'm not too sure where to look really |
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| 16:20.12 | khaleel5000 | Malf: thanks for your help , will dig there |
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| 16:21.27 | jooopyme_ | can I create Debian apt repository with password? |
| 16:22.41 | Thug--N-Me | does php have SSL and TLS support compiled in ? |
| 16:23.22 | Thms | I want to do export display, I am on ssh -X, I just installed xfce4 and gdm, now how can I see the desktop ? |
| 16:23.55 | Thug--N-Me | does php have SSL and TLS support compiled in ? |
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| 16:27.06 | roue | hello |
| 16:27.44 | nethenson | Thms: you can't see the desktop, but you can launch remote applications and see them in your screen. |
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| 16:28.08 | Thms | nethenson: with what can I see the desktop so ? |
| 16:28.21 | roue | hmm |
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| 16:28.46 | nethenson | !tell Thms about vnc |
| 16:29.17 | nethenson | hi roue |
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| 16:29.49 | Thms | thanks nethenson |
| 16:29.52 | roue | I'm having color problems |
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| 16:30.07 | sphenxes | -. |
| 16:30.15 | nethenson | :) |
| 16:30.18 | ankon | whois nyu |
| 16:30.21 | ankon | err sorry |
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| 16:32.53 | roue | that's better. |
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| 16:34.04 | roue | I'm trying to change the color of directory names when using LS. I have created and modified the .dir_colors file in my home directory. .bash_rc evals "`dircolor -b .dircolor`" and outside of Xwindows it works. When I do an LS from rxvt everything is still blue. |
| 16:34.59 | roue | xterm gets the dir color right. blarg. |
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| 16:38.21 | elshaa__ | hi |
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| 16:39.03 | elshaa | How can I target the file / process responsible for filling my hard disk up ? |
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| 16:39.42 | piper69 | good morning everyone |
| 16:39.44 | elshaa | I have a partition that is filled very quickly, and I would like to know what is responsible for that |
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| 16:43.11 | roue | e1shaa what is the partition being filled with? |
| 16:44.25 | elshaa | roue: with data :) Seriously, I have no idea |
| 16:44.43 | roue | you know where the data is? |
| 16:44.57 | roue | as in, which directory, etc? |
| 16:45.05 | roue | or is that what you're trying to discover? |
| 16:45.33 | elshaa | no, I've tried "du" for several repertory, but it seems to use some cache and does not compute the size of the dir in real-time ... |
| 16:45.43 | Thms | is there any tutorial to install vnc server and connect to it and see xfce ? Because I installed it but when I connect I see a grey screen with the mouse |
| 16:45.47 | elshaa | I'm trying to discover which dir is filled |
| 16:45.50 | elshaa | first step |
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| 16:46.02 | dendrite | elshaa: du -sh /mountpoint |
| 16:46.21 | elshaa | dendrite: that's what I did |
| 16:46.31 | roue | what did you find? |
| 16:46.41 | elshaa | but it shows the same size if I run the command several times |
| 16:46.53 | elshaa | while I'm almost sure that it's growing |
| 16:47.03 | dendrite | elshaa: df shows the disk filling? |
| 16:47.22 | elshaa | dendrite: yes, df yes. |
| 16:47.23 | roue | e1shaa cd /mnt-point ; du -h --max-depth=1 |
| 16:47.39 | roue | then follow the largest directories till you find the source. |
| 16:47.59 | piper69 | in etch how can i allow root to login GUI gnome |
| 16:48.12 | dendrite | elshaa: So df shows increasing usage, but du shows no such thing... Perhaps a dot directory? |
| 16:48.38 | dendrite | elshaa: find /mountpoint -maxdepth 1 -exec du -sh {} \; |
| 16:48.53 | elshaa | dendrite: du does show some directory increasing, but not in real time. |
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| 16:49.25 | piper69 | i keep getting "The system administrator is not allowed to login from this screen" |
| 16:49.25 | elshaa | if I execute du twice, size is the same. If I wait 2 minutes, it shows a different size |
| 16:49.26 | dendrite | elshaa: Well, it scans the fs, and reports. It's not like top. |
| 16:49.50 | elshaa | I wonder if there is such 'top' things for FS usage |
| 16:49.57 | roue | piper69 you shouldn't be using gnome as root. sudo is your friend. |
| 16:50.43 | elshaa | dendrite: thanks for the idea of a hidden directory... smart. |
| 16:50.46 | dendrite | elshaa: If you saw a directory grow, then follow that directory tree down, and repeat until you find the location. |
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| 16:51.28 | predius | p/wc |
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| 16:52.51 | Thms | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. -> What does that mean ? I done adduser user video |
| 16:53.05 | piper69 | roue well i tried to do so, but still i can't run /etc/debian_version i get Permission denied |
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| 16:53.13 | piper69 | !sudo |
| 16:53.13 | dpkg | i guess sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 16:53.58 | roue | piper69 debian_version is not executable. it's just a text config file. |
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| 16:55.01 | piper69 | roue thanks |
| 16:55.59 | valdyn | dendrite: files can use space when no longer or not yet existing for du / ls |
| 16:56.02 | piper69 | well i need help with my network , my box was connected wirelessly to internet and i installed another nic to that box now it's not connecting to the internet can someone help me |
| 16:56.10 | piper69 | both card show in lspci |
| 16:56.28 | dendrite | valdyn: Tell it to elshaa ... |
| 16:56.38 | valdyn | elshaa: files can use space when no longer or not yet existing for du / ls |
| 16:57.10 | valdyn | elshaa: play a movie, delete the movie while its playing, use df / du, stop the player, df / du again |
| 16:57.41 | dendrite | valdyn: Not sure about the "not yet existing" part... |
| 16:59.00 | dendrite | psychicfs? |
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| 16:59.16 | enouf | cache,cache,cache |
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| 16:59.46 | piper69 | ifconfig list "eth1_rena" what is that please? |
| 17:00.12 | valdyn | dendrite: i think you could try dd with a huge block size for that |
| 17:00.38 | dendrite | valdyn: You're stretching. :-) |
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| 17:02.02 | enouf | !8ball dendrite |
| 17:02.02 | dpkg | No. |
| 17:02.06 | enouf | bah |
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| 17:02.35 | valdyn | piper69: a bug in udev, should only be a temprorary name that you don't actually get to see |
| 17:02.42 | Thms | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" |
| 17:02.43 | Thms | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.47 | Thms | what does that mean ? |
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| 17:07.33 | elshaa | valdyn: thanks for the tip |
| 17:08.26 | valdyn | elshaa: idea just popped that this could simply a mv operation on the same fs, assuming du doesnt cover your whole fs |
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| 17:13.29 | EvilDin | hi, please help me how to install kernel with support for vservers |
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| 17:17.01 | vick | I am getting Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so, what could have went wrong ? |
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| 17:19.05 | Malf | xorg is configured to use a video driver that isn't present and/or isn't properly installed |
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| 17:21.40 | wsjunior | hi, does anybody know a good reference for beryl + debian etch?! (already checked google but the tutorials doesnt really works like expected) |
| 17:22.48 | wsjunior | http://www5.autistici.org/debian-xgl/ used to work, but not anymore. |
| 17:22.51 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 17:22.51 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 17:23.29 | wsjunior | !xgl |
| 17:23.30 | dpkg | xgl is, like, the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 17:23.35 | Ny-Ty | scanner in debian |
| 17:23.36 | Ny-Ty | how to |
| 17:23.36 | Ny-Ty | ? |
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| 17:29.00 | EvilDin | hi, please help me how to install kernel with support for vservers |
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| 17:29.19 | Ny-Ty | if i compiling kernel |
| 17:29.23 | Ny-Ty | i want to have GUI menuconfig |
| 17:29.28 | Ny-Ty | make menuconfig is normal menuconfig |
| 17:29.30 | Ny-Ty | how to do GUI ? |
| 17:29.35 | xored | anybody can help me with tunderbird enigmime (GPG), which does not work..if the tb profile is located on a debian sarge through NFS ( he is not able to start the service)..but is working on the client, when the profile is located local |
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| 17:33.52 | hark | Ny-Ty: gconfig or xconfig |
| 17:34.01 | bucky | EvilDin, on sarge? |
| 17:34.07 | EvilDin | yes |
| 17:34.47 | bucky | EvilDin, there's a repos for OpenVZ http://wiki.openvz.org/Installation_on_Debian |
| 17:36.12 | Ny-Ty | What packages |
| 17:36.13 | Ny-Ty | i need |
| 17:36.15 | Ny-Ty | to gconfig |
| 17:36.21 | bucky | EvilDin, if you want to run some other flavor that link shows how to build a kernel |
| 17:36.24 | Ny-Ty | sirius:/usr/src/linux# make gconfig |
| 17:36.24 | Ny-Ty | * |
| 17:36.24 | Ny-Ty | * Unable to find the GTK+ installation. Please make sure that |
| 17:36.24 | Ny-Ty | * the GTK+ 2.0 development package is correctly installed... |
| 17:36.24 | Ny-Ty | * You need gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0. |
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| 17:36.52 | Ny-Ty | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `scripts/kconfig/.tmp_gtkcheck', needed by `scripts/kconfig/gconf.o'. Stop. |
| 17:36.55 | Ny-Ty | this |
| 17:36.58 | hark | !tell Ny-Ty about enter |
| 17:37.10 | EvilDin | will there at this relase be any problem with devfs |
| 17:37.32 | abrotman | devfs was long ago deprecated |
| 17:37.38 | Ny-Ty | please |
| 17:37.41 | Ny-Ty | what packages |
| 17:37.53 | abrotman | you need -dev packages |
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| 17:39.12 | Ny-Ty | of what? |
| 17:40.05 | peterS | Ny-Ty: libgtk2.0-dev for a start |
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| 17:40.45 | Ny-Ty | ? |
| 17:40.48 | Ny-Ty | for a start? |
| 17:40.51 | Mark_Iron | starnge behavior of tasksel after modifying of the pool on the etch InstallCD (incl. creating new Packages.gz and Release Files) - tasksel DOES NOT install the choice .. any idea WHY? .. thank you a lot in advance ;-) .. it is possible to install this packages with the manual option ... |
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| 17:40.56 | peterS | yes, for a start |
| 17:40.58 | Mark_Iron | strange |
| 17:41.02 | peterS | I don't know what other packages you have installed now |
| 17:41.11 | peterS | so I cannot say with confidence that you have what it takes to compile a kernel |
| 17:41.27 | Ny-Ty | i have it |
| 17:42.27 | Thug--N-Me | rmuser ? |
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| 17:42.29 | hark | Ny-Ty: and..? |
| 17:42.45 | Ny-Ty | nothing |
| 17:42.55 | peterS | if "nothing" is your question, then "nothing" is my answer |
| 17:43.02 | peterS | if you need more specific help, you need a more specific question |
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| 17:43.18 | hark | try libglade2-dev too.It told you what is needed |
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| 17:43.34 | hark | !gconfig |
| 17:43.56 | hark | !xconfig |
| 17:43.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xconfig is for kernels in the 2.4 series and earlier, apt-get install tk8.3, or for 2.6 and newer kernels, apt-get install libqt-dev (woody) or libqt3-mt-dev (sarge or sid), or for GNOME-heads, see gconfig |
| 17:44.07 | Ny-Ty | yeah |
| 17:44.17 | Ny-Ty | it works |
| 17:44.35 | Ny-Ty | thankz |
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| 17:46.06 | Thug--N-Me | remove user's primary group ? pw groupdel group ? |
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| 17:47.59 | abrotman | why? |
| 17:49.35 | xerophyte | does anybody know how does the MacID get recorded in the kernel log for this log Jan 28 15:45:33 host kernel: Firewall: *ICMP_IN Blocked* IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=srcMacID:dstMacID?? is that right |
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| 17:51.42 | resistance | how can i stop programs from starting at boot? |
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| 17:52.09 | valdyn | resistance: like what? |
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| 17:53.25 | resistance | valdyn: inetd |
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| 17:54.06 | valdyn | resistance: remove the package or chmod -x /etc/init.d/*inetd |
| 17:54.20 | Gecko | Hey there. I have a tar.gz backup. When I extract the tar file from it, it's about ~8G, when I untar the archive it only extracts about 600M of data and stops without errors. Any ideas on what to do? |
| 17:54.56 | xored | which keyserver could i use under sarge, (GPG) |
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| 17:56.47 | roue | what do folks use for command line image viewing? gimp takes too long to load. I usually use xv, but it's no longer packaged and is ugly to compile by hand. |
| 17:57.01 | piper69 | how can i get rid of eth1_rena |
| 17:57.07 | azeem | roue: display from imagemagick e.g. |
| 17:57.12 | valdyn | roue: xli |
| 17:57.20 | abrotman | roue: feh or eog |
| 17:57.45 | xored | abrotman: could you help me ? |
| 17:57.52 | bucky | Gecko, which filesystem are you using? |
| 17:58.02 | abrotman | sarge doesn't have gpg keys for apt |
| 17:58.23 | piper69 | ifconfig return eth0 and eth1_rena, lo etho should be my internet connection but it's not working anymore can i get help |
| 17:58.51 | xored | abrotman: no i mean i want to run a keyserver on my debian machine to let my thunderbird enigmail clients store there keys there |
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| 17:59.03 | abrotman | i don't think you need a key server for that ... |
| 17:59.24 | roue | thanks. will any of those let you set the desktop background image? |
| 17:59.40 | blondie | WHY HELLO THERE |
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| 18:00.28 | piper69 | abrotman can you help me |
| 18:00.37 | valdyn | xerophyte: you addded a firewall rule that enables logging, or your firewall tool did |
| 18:00.42 | abrotman | why doesn't eth0 work ? |
| 18:00.45 | xored | abrotman: why the people in here everytime want to discuss about needs ? |
| 18:00.57 | xored | abrotman: its really getting strange.. |
| 18:01.28 | piper69 | abrotman it was working fine untill i installed a second NIC , now i get eth0 and eth1_rena |
| 18:01.29 | abrotman | xored: ? |
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| 18:01.41 | abrotman | piper69: right .. that will happen |
| 18:01.47 | Ny-Ty | What is ScaleMP |
| 18:01.55 | Ny-Ty | ScaleMP |
| 18:01.55 | piper69 | abrotman how can i fix it |
| 18:01.56 | Ny-Ty | in kernel |
| 18:01.58 | xored | abrotman: <abrotman> i don't think you need a key server for that ... |
| 18:02.01 | krazykit | xored, because if something can be set up with significantly less work, why bother? |
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| 18:02.06 | valdyn | piper69: paste /etc/udev/z25_persistent-net.rules on a paste site |
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| 18:02.46 | pieman | odd question, but can iceweasel be installed on gentoo? |
| 18:02.50 | Ny-Ty | What is ScaleMP |
| 18:02.52 | piper69 | valdyn i will not be able to do so since that problem is in a diffrent box |
| 18:02.57 | Ny-Ty | ScaleMP Vsmp |
| 18:02.59 | Ny-Ty | please |
| 18:03.00 | krazykit | pieman, ask #gentoo |
| 18:03.02 | xored | krazykit: if you would even know what i NEED, this would be logical.. |
| 18:03.04 | valdyn | piper69: so copy that file over |
| 18:03.04 | abrotman | pieman: get the source package and build it on gentoo |
| 18:03.16 | pieman | aye |
| 18:03.18 | valdyn | piper69: usb stick / disk / cdrom / network / whatever |
| 18:03.31 | abrotman | xored: okay .. but i don't thikn you need a key server to use keys locally in t-bird |
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| 18:04.07 | xored | abrotman: but if you would know, that i have several unix / windows clients..which should use the same keys..you would not think that way |
| 18:04.15 | abrotman | ah that's a different story |
| 18:04.31 | valdyn | xored: why would you use a local key server at all? just use a popular remote keyserver |
| 18:04.33 | piper69 | valdyn you can tell me what are you looking for on that file |
| 18:04.50 | xored | valdyn: why should i trust them ? |
| 18:04.50 | dendrite | xored: The reason you're not getting good answers is because you're leaving out MAJOR important details in your line of questioning. |
| 18:04.59 | abrotman | xored: why should anyone trust yours ? |
| 18:05.00 | valdyn | piper69: maybe eth1_rena, maybe just something i might see |
| 18:05.06 | valdyn | piper69: does that file exist at all? |
| 18:05.17 | xored | dendrite: wrong. Iam not asking wheather i "should use a server"..i asked which one.. |
| 18:05.31 | xored | dendrite: the rest is my decision, aint ? |
| 18:05.36 | piper69 | valdyn nope |
| 18:05.43 | xored | abrotman: i dont want to set the server online ? |
| 18:05.48 | dendrite | xored: You're being quite vague. Try to look at it from the point of view of people who have no idea what you're trying to do until you tell them. |
| 18:05.50 | valdyn | piper69: which debian release are you on? |
| 18:05.51 | xored | abrotman: i dont want others to use it ? |
| 18:05.57 | piper69 | valdyn etch |
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| 18:06.08 | valdyn | piper69: /etc/udev exists ? udev is installed? |
| 18:06.11 | abrotman | !info onak etch |
| 18:06.15 | resistance | how do i upgrade a single package, lets say dovecot? |
| 18:06.18 | dpkg | onak: (OpenPGP Key Server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 159 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 18:06.20 | abrotman | xored: like that ^^ ? |
| 18:06.24 | piper69 | valdyn yes |
| 18:06.33 | xored | <xored> which keyserver could i use under sarge, (GPG) <- this was my question dendrite ..i dont need to state a "do i really need one, if i know i need one ) |
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| 18:06.35 | abrotman | which is one of many afaik |
| 18:06.48 | Ny-Ty | plase |
| 18:06.50 | xored | abrotman: thank you |
| 18:06.51 | Ny-Ty | What is |
| 18:06.57 | Ny-Ty | ScaleMP_ |
| 18:06.58 | abrotman | Ny-Ty: ask google .. not us |
| 18:06.58 | valdyn | keyservers don't really need 'trust' anyway? |
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| 18:07.13 | xored | everytime the same... |
| 18:07.17 | xored | discussion about needs. |
| 18:07.20 | piper69 | valdyn there is a persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 18:07.26 | valdyn | piper69: yea, ok. |
| 18:07.39 | valdyn | piper69: try rebooting, z25_persistent-net.rules should be generated |
| 18:07.54 | valdyn | piper69: uh, 'uname -r' first |
| 18:08.35 | piper69 | valdyn 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 18:08.38 | xored | abrotman: thank you anyway |
| 18:08.48 | valdyn | xored: point being that keyservers have no mechanism or way to ensure 'trust' that's not what they do, they just share files by an ID value |
| 18:08.48 | peasse | hi everyone, how could i rename multiple files in midnight commander? anyways, the rename command is quite obscur to me, is there a good manual for it ? |
| 18:09.00 | Moosebot | peasse: use the mv command |
| 18:09.02 | Moosebot | mv foo bar |
| 18:09.20 | tonsofpcs | so does D-I-L load deb off of a image file on the windows filesystem or is it just a loader for the installation system? |
| 18:09.20 | abrotman | man rename |
| 18:09.33 | piper69 | valdyn i don't see any z25 file |
| 18:09.39 | peasse | Moosebot, can mv rename multiple files? |
| 18:09.45 | Moosebot | no sorry |
| 18:09.49 | abrotman | peasse: use the rename command |
| 18:09.54 | valdyn | piper69: after rebooting you mean? |
| 18:09.57 | krazykit | tonsofpcs, afaict, it uses a couple of files as loopback devices for the filesystem. |
| 18:10.01 | peasse | hi abrotman, man rename is quite ... poor |
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| 18:10.15 | piper69 | valdyn do you want me to reboot |
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| 18:10.16 | abrotman | it's a pretty simple command |
| 18:10.22 | peasse | really |
| 18:10.24 | MrKeuner | hi, can a separate file be defined for some specific part of procmailrc? such as a separate file listing the wildcards that will be sent to /dev/null |
| 18:10.32 | valdyn | piper69: rebooting should trigger the regeneration of that file |
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| 18:10.36 | krazykit | tonsofpcs, so /root and /swap are seen by windows as files, and seen as normal filesystems in debian. it's rather clever, really |
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| 18:10.58 | valdyn | piper69: eth1_rena is just an artifact of that generation and interfae renaming process gone wrong |
| 18:10.58 | tonsofpcs | krazykit: so it just makes an image file on the windows partition and doesn't need to repartition? |
| 18:11.11 | tonsofpcs | [kinda like the old "BeOS for Windows" thing? |
| 18:11.12 | tonsofpcs | ] |
| 18:11.13 | krazykit | tonsofpcs, from what i gather, right. |
| 18:11.27 | peasse | abrotman, how would you rename just 2 files in a directory containing other files, from *.ext to 0*.ext? |
| 18:11.32 | tonsofpcs | ya, i wasn't sure if they were doing that for the entire system or just for the installer |
| 18:11.33 | krazykit | tonsofpcs, to uninstall, you delete the C:\Debian dir and edit boot.ini |
| 18:11.40 | abrotman | peasse: are they the only two .ext files ? |
| 18:11.46 | peasse | no |
| 18:11.57 | abrotman | is there a way you can isolate those two ? |
| 18:12.06 | tonsofpcs | nice, now if only I could figure out what's wrong with my colinux setup |
| 18:12.10 | peasse | hum, they just hav edifferent names |
| 18:12.16 | peasse | but same extension |
| 18:12.18 | valdyn | peasse: mrename or mmv |
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| 18:12.32 | peasse | mmv is quite hard to understand |
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| 18:12.42 | peasse | i look at mrename |
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| 18:12.52 | abrotman | or since it's only two .. you could just use mv |
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| 18:14.55 | piper69 | valdyn i rebooted and still getting that eth1_rena |
| 18:15.16 | minerale | So, I have a friend (at my current university) who is a debian developer?/package maintainer... I asked him to vouch for me to sign up -- and sign my key, he denied it; argument: at our last LUG meeting I gave a presentation using my macbook pro (using nonfree os x), and the one debin system I maintain is debian `stable` (he claims I need to be running at least testing) |
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| 18:15.56 | piper69 | valdyn still no z25 |
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| 18:18.21 | abrotman | minerale: is there a question in that ? |
| 18:18.55 | minerale | ! |
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| 18:18.58 | abrotman | !tell minerale about mentors |
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| 18:21.58 | jordan_ | I'm trying to run this: SUNWUTU="`echo sunwutu_*`"; deb-reversion -k 'mv usr/X11R6/bin usr/; rmdir usr/X11R6' "${SUNWUTU}" 'move Xnewt to /usr/bin' && rm "${SUNWUTU}" but I get this error: /usr/bin/deb-reversion: eval: line 94: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' |
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| 18:25.56 | twobitsprite | is there a way to configure ncurses to use different default colors, etc? for some reason, ncurses apps don't like my aterms... the colors get all weird (i.e. white text on white bg...) |
| 18:26.24 | twobitsprite | "ncurses configuration" doesn't yeild much on google |
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| 18:26.55 | x-- | what about other terminals |
| 18:26.56 | w0rd55 | APIC error on CPU0: |
| 18:27.02 | freach | Is anyone using Cryptobox with Debian ?! |
| 18:27.03 | w0rd55 | getting this in my dmesg |
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| 18:27.37 | twobitsprite | x--: looks ok in rxvt |
| 18:28.26 | jachin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.40 | x-- | it's probably something to do with aterm |
| 18:28.44 | twobitsprite | jachin: looks like you have a typo in your config file |
| 18:28.55 | x-- | mode |
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| 18:29.37 | twobitsprite | x--: yeah i know... have any suggestions for either a) how to fix ncurses, or b) an xterm that has the features of aterm that'll work better? |
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| 18:30.54 | jordan_ | Does anyone know what could be going on with my problem |
| 18:31.30 | x-- | twobitsprite: maybe this could help you; http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Linux_Colors_in_Aterm/rxvt |
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| 18:31.38 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 18:31.42 | dazjorz | I'm having problems playing some media |
| 18:32.03 | dazjorz | my sound card: 00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 18:32.18 | daxxar | Hm. If I have two filesystems, and I want to merge them into one dir, while still retaining some kind of write-support that can write to both (not just one) of the FSes, what should I look at? |
| 18:32.20 | x-- | jordan_: run each line seprately |
| 18:32.34 | daxxar | Seems like AUFS and UnionFS only supports one write-branch? |
| 18:32.34 | dazjorz | when I run `beep', my PC speaker beeps (not sure if this is relevant); but I'm not able to hear any sound from my speakers / headphone |
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| 18:33.29 | jordan_ | http://rafb.net/p/mZ3UVC46.html |
| 18:33.32 | x-- | dazjorz: run alsamixer and unmute the master channel |
| 18:33.51 | dazjorz | x--: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 18:36.15 | x-- | dazjorz: you could try lsmod and make sure your sound cards module is loaded |
| 18:36.33 | dazjorz | x--: I have no idea what my sound cards module is, but I'll check |
| 18:36.42 | dazjorz | snd_ac97 sounds ok |
| 18:36.46 | x-- | ac97 |
| 18:36.50 | x-- | ok |
| 18:36.53 | dazjorz | but it's bound to snd_intel8x0; I don't have an INtel |
| 18:36.55 | dazjorz | Intel* |
| 18:37.03 | dazjorz | ac97_codec is loaded |
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| 18:37.25 | dazjorz | snd_ac97_codec, snd_ac97_bus, snd_pcm, snd, ac97_codec |
| 18:37.43 | kanha | when debian 4.0 is getting out |
| 18:37.53 | krazykit | kanha, read the topic |
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| 18:38.54 | dazjorz | but I just started esd |
| 18:38.55 | x-- | dazjorz: try google or wait for someone else to help you. I'm clueless on this matter, i'm only running debian on servers =/ |
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| 18:39.02 | jordan_ | does anyone in here have any experience with deb-reversion |
| 18:39.04 | dazjorz | the volume meter now shows sound is coming through |
| 18:39.09 | dazjorz | I just don't hear it |
| 18:39.19 | x-- | maybe they are muted |
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| 18:39.35 | x-- | thought you where using alsa, looks like esd =] |
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| 18:39.40 | krazykit | dazjorz, just to make sure, the speakers are on and plugged into the right port, right? |
| 18:39.43 | thug | We add groups and users with special gid (group id) and uid (user id). It is necessary for the security. |
| 18:39.51 | dazjorz | krazykit: Yes. |
| 18:39.58 | dazjorz | krazykit: I heard sound in Windows (dual-boot) |
| 18:39.58 | thug | useradd: unknown group 98 |
| 18:40.01 | piper69 | abrotman are you busy, if not will you help me setup my connection back |
| 18:40.01 | thug | any idea ? |
| 18:40.09 | abrotman | piper69: which connection? |
| 18:40.17 | dazjorz | x--: Yes, I used alsa first |
| 18:40.25 | dazjorz | x--: But now I tried esd, removed alsa |
| 18:40.27 | dazjorz | no difference |
| 18:40.31 | piper69 | i lost my connection to internet after installing a second nic |
| 18:40.38 | x-- | thug: cat /etc/group does gid 98 exist? |
| 18:41.08 | thug | x-- ohh no .. how do i ad it ? |
| 18:41.10 | thug | add |
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| 18:41.20 | abrotman | piper69: dmesg | grep eth .. does your old NIC show up as eth0 ? |
| 18:41.20 | x-- | groupadd |
| 18:42.10 | thug | groupadd: group 98 exists |
| 18:42.13 | thug | useradd: unknown group 98 |
| 18:42.15 | thug | wtf |
| 18:42.31 | x-- | read the manpages |
| 18:42.33 | piper69 | abrotman bash: demsg command not fouind |
| 18:42.45 | x-- | dmesg |
| 18:42.55 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 18:42.56 | marco_ | Does anyone remember what the site of the debian developer with unofficial xfce packages is? |
| 18:43.11 | piper69 | abrotman please shoot me |
| 18:43.14 | abrotman | marco_: check on planet.debian.org .. he just talked about it |
| 18:43.16 | x-- | thug: groupadd -g 98 mygroup |
| 18:43.18 | abrotman | !shoot piper69 |
| 18:44.08 | thug | x-- no clue to what group i will need it i fallow this >>> http://sylvestre.ledru.info/howto/howto_qmail_vpopmail.php#qmail.user |
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| 18:44.42 | x-- | umm... just following it is not enough. you need to know what you are told to do |
| 18:44.59 | piper69 | abrotman i get eth0 timeout -resetting |
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| 18:45.19 | dazjorz | By the way |
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| 18:45.21 | thug | x-- groupadd: group 98 exists should be like this >>>>>>> useradd: unknown group 98 |
| 18:45.29 | abrotman | piper69: use ethtool to make sure that is actually the one you want ot use |
| 18:45.42 | x-- | thug: -g 98 |
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| 18:45.44 | piper69 | abrotman hwo can i do that |
| 18:45.48 | dendrite | piper69: Just curious, what are you planning on using the second NIC for? |
| 18:45.51 | x-- | thug: read properly |
| 18:45.52 | thug | x-- i did |
| 18:45.54 | dazjorz | I'm getting errors when trying to play media |
| 18:46.09 | dazjorz | i'll pastebin them |
| 18:46.14 | abrotman | ethtool -i eth0 |
| 18:46.18 | thug | x-- i did that already |
| 18:46.23 | thug | this is weird |
| 18:46.24 | piper69 | debhelper i am planning to make that box as fire wall |
| 18:46.38 | x-- | thug: cat /etc/group | grep "98" |
| 18:46.46 | x-- | does that return anything? |
| 18:46.54 | x-- | if it does, the group is already added |
| 18:46.56 | x-- | move on |
| 18:46.59 | thug | 98:x:1004: |
| 18:47.09 | wsjunior | how do i change the damn default debian kdm theme? :) i verified that there are two files to control kdm /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and /var/run/kdm/kdmrc. dpkg-reconfigure kdm doesnt works and i also tried to edit those files by hand without success, whats the trick?! |
| 18:47.33 | raveneye | kde control centre? |
| 18:47.36 | piper69 | abrotman ethtool command not found |
| 18:47.41 | wsjunior | raveneye: didnt work |
| 18:47.43 | thug | x-- useradd -u 98 -g 98 -c Vpopmail-Master -d /home/vpopmail -s /bin/false vpopmail >>>> useradd: unknown group 98 |
| 18:47.49 | azeem | wsjunior: there's some bugs about that I think, maybe they got information on how to change things |
| 18:47.49 | abrotman | you have to be root to run it .. and it has to be installed |
| 18:47.56 | x-- | thug: add "vchkpw" infront of that line |
| 18:48.02 | piper69 | abrotman i am |
| 18:48.06 | abrotman | and it is ? |
| 18:48.19 | wsjunior | i also tried without success to install kdmtheme and kde-kdm-themes |
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| 18:48.41 | dazjorz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5194 |
| 18:48.45 | eniac_petrov | hi all |
| 18:48.47 | dazjorz | these are the errors I get when trying to play something |
| 18:48.52 | eniac_petrov | please, help |
| 18:48.56 | shafire | can i put the output stuff from start-stop-daemon into a file? can't find something in the man |
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| 18:49.38 | raveneye | wsjunior : its been a while since i have played with kde/kdm but somewhere you can install new kdm themes. i thought it was the kde controlcenter. |
| 18:49.45 | thug | x-- did with no success |
| 18:50.01 | dazjorz | x--: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5194 - mpg321 *; any ideas? |
| 18:50.02 | eniac_petrov | what was the command for the debian system installer |
| 18:50.08 | eniac_petrov | from the install cd :) |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | base-config ? |
| 18:51.19 | eniac_petrov | maybe... the installer with grey interface and blue background :) |
| 18:51.40 | eniac_petrov | I'll try base-config... |
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| 18:57.11 | dazjorz | Still no sound :'( |
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| 18:58.09 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 18:58.14 | abrotman | !alsa-checklist |
| 18:58.14 | dpkg | hmm... alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 19:03.57 | PAK-9 | I am trying to get synaptic working, but when I try to apt-get it, I get this: |
| 19:03.59 | PAK-9 | http://pastebin.ca/331278 |
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| 19:05.43 | drako | !Kp |
| 19:05.43 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 19:06.29 | hark | PAK-9: cat /etc/debian_version and paste your sources.list as well. |
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| 19:06.50 | PAK-9 | k |
| 19:06.53 | crazy_penguin | Hello everyone! |
| 19:07.13 | PAK-9 | version is 4.0 |
| 19:07.47 | PAK-9 | http://pastebin.ca/331293 |
| 19:08.02 | strk | What's a good and easy package to get an .avi from a DVD ? (ogg isn't good, as my HD player wouldn't play it) |
| 19:08.23 | PAK-9 | I am not sure how I lost synaptic from my kde menu in the first place, I think I screwed something up |
| 19:09.45 | rahul | strk: mencoder |
| 19:10.05 | zamaliphe | when i run beryl the window Bord's disperse and i get no effect what do you think ? |
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| 19:12.07 | strk | rahul: any GUI for it ? |
| 19:12.18 | rahul | strk: like that would help... |
| 19:12.28 | hark | PAK-9: hmm, seems ok, but comment out the last mirror and replace stable with etch. Then run apt-get update |
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| 19:12.40 | strk | rahul: I'm lazy :) |
| 19:12.45 | hark | !lazy |
| 19:12.46 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 19:13.02 | PAK-9 | k will do |
| 19:13.04 | rahul | strk: then use the command line. |
| 19:13.14 | shafire | can i put the output stuff from start-stop-daemon into a file (logging)? can't find something in the man!! |
| 19:13.55 | zamaliphe | any idea any one ? i'm using etch by the way ? |
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| 19:14.53 | abrotman | maybe ask #beryl ? |
| 19:15.01 | valdyn | strk: probably dvdrip |
| 19:15.38 | PAK-9 | hark I get the same error |
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| 19:19.40 | unlink | score! ipw3945 modules in debian! |
| 19:19.51 | nitro4ce | hi. i can't install this in debian: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ospace/OuterSpace-0.5.60.tar.gz?download |
| 19:19.55 | unlink | this is great news. |
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| 19:20.30 | nitro4ce | i cant run that i mean |
| 19:20.42 | mfrisch | nitro4ce: need more info than that |
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| 19:21.57 | nitro4ce | mfrisch: well that program needs python and python-pygame, things that i already have. when i run "python osc.py" to open the program, the window closes after 2 seconds. |
| 19:22.16 | shafire | can i put the output stuff from start-stop-daemon into a file (logging)? can't find something in the man!! |
| 19:23.07 | hark | PAK-9: have you run an apt-get update and upgrade? |
| 19:23.09 | mfrisch | shafire: you can enable bootlogd in /etc/default/ |
| 19:23.28 | shafire | mfrisch, how do i do that? |
| 19:23.44 | mfrisch | nitro4ce: never ran it maybe your missing a dependency |
| 19:24.00 | hark | !bootlog |
| 19:24.01 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 19:24.11 | hark | if that's what you need.. |
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| 19:24.39 | mfrisch | yes |
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| 19:25.05 | nitro4ce | mfrisch: nope i think i have everything |
| 19:25.08 | PAK-9 | hark i ran update not upgrade, I will do that now |
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| 19:25.24 | PAK-9 | same error |
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| 19:25.42 | hark | PAK-9: how did you install etch? |
| 19:26.02 | PAK-9 | sorry you will have to rephrase that for a noob |
| 19:26.26 | PAK-9 | I installed debian(?) |
| 19:26.33 | hark | PAK-9: how did you install Debian testing (the version you seem to have now)? |
| 19:26.49 | shafire | hark but it will log all? |
| 19:26.55 | shafire | i want only logging to daemons... |
| 19:26.56 | mfrisch | PAK-9: what cd did you use |
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| 19:27.09 | PAK-9 | i used the net install |
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| 19:27.20 | mfrisch | PAK-9: rc1? |
| 19:27.26 | PAK-9 | let me check |
| 19:27.28 | mfrisch | PAK-9: how old is it |
| 19:27.36 | PAK-9 | i only downloaded it a couple of days ago |
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| 19:27.57 | PAK-9 | I think i have screwed something up with my system because it doesnt boot into the debian welcome screen anymore |
| 19:28.02 | PAK-9 | I dont know if it is related |
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| 19:28.17 | rahul | welcome? |
| 19:28.25 | mfrisch | shafire: daemons do logging by themselves bootlogd just gives you a log of the boot process |
| 19:28.27 | xaque | what program is the backup user for? and the /var/backups direcorty? |
| 19:28.48 | shafire | mfrisch, where can i find the logging? |
| 19:29.09 | mfrisch | shafire: your logs are in /var/log/ |
| 19:29.28 | shafire | mfrisch, but i think it isn't logging because its a python script written from me |
| 19:29.59 | PAK-9 | (debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso) |
| 19:30.01 | mfrisch | shafire: what are you trying to do |
| 19:30.20 | shafire | mfrisch, script-stop-daemon is starting and stoping my python wsgi server |
| 19:30.26 | hark | PAK-9: what you did was mix your sources. You installed sarge (Stable), but somehow added an etch repository. It has partially upgraded your system. |
| 19:30.30 | shafire | i want to log the output from the wsgi server |
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| 19:30.42 | PAK-9 | I see |
| 19:30.58 | hark | PAK-9: to fix it, you'll have to dist-upgrade to testing (etch) |
| 19:31.26 | PAK-9 | okay |
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| 19:31.27 | mfrisch | shafire: use pythons logging ability or run it through a debugger |
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| 19:31.43 | shafire | mfrisch, and the mini soldatserver |
| 19:32.03 | PAK-9 | should i change my sources.list to reflect that? |
| 19:32.05 | hark | PAK-9: run aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade. There is no downgrade.. |
| 19:32.37 | Freedom | hello |
| 19:32.45 | Freedom | !seen xpurple |
| 19:32.45 | dpkg | xpurple is currently on #debian, last said: 'Freenet: I have no idea.'. |
| 19:32.50 | PAK-9 | ok thanks hark |
| 19:32.51 | hark | PAK-9: yes, like i said, remove the last line, and change stable to etch in the remaining three. |
| 19:33.00 | PAK-9 | ok i did that already |
| 19:33.07 | Freedom | xpurple |
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| 19:33.22 | SpeS | hi people! |
| 19:33.33 | SpeS | how can I monitor my LAN with ra0? |
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| 19:33.42 | SpeS | I can't use iptraf |
| 19:33.43 | PAK-9 | I dont seem to have aptitude |
| 19:33.51 | SpeS | ra0 not supported (?) :( |
| 19:33.59 | hark | PAK-9: apt-get install aptitude |
| 19:34.00 | PAK-9 | can i just apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:34.15 | PAK-9 | ok got it |
| 19:34.16 | hark | PAK-9: aptitude is recommended |
| 19:34.22 | PAK-9 | what is it? |
| 19:34.30 | hark | !aptitude |
| 19:34.31 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 19:34.45 | PAK-9 | i c :P |
| 19:34.53 | hark | ha, that's old. |
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| 19:35.21 | dmesg | hi dudes |
| 19:35.39 | dmesg | is there any grid software in debian ? |
| 19:35.49 | abrotman | computational grid ? |
| 19:35.55 | dmesg | abrotman yeah |
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| 19:36.01 | hark | PAK-9: it's just like aptitude, but has much better dependency handling along with other features |
| 19:36.08 | mfrisch | gnumeric |
| 19:36.11 | hark | s/aptitude/apt-get |
| 19:36.15 | abrotman | mfrisch: huh ? |
| 19:36.39 | mfrisch | abrotman: I though he meant spreadsheet |
| 19:36.44 | hark | mfrisch: heh, no ;) |
| 19:36.46 | enouf | tastes just like chicken |
| 19:36.49 | abrotman | !info mpich-bin etch |
| 19:36.55 | dpkg | mpich-bin: (MPI parallel computing system implementation), section devel, is extra. Version: 1.2.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 198 kB, Installed size: 772 kB |
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| 19:37.14 | mfrisch | its a beowulf? |
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| 19:38.36 | abrotman | mfrisch: beowulf is different than MPI |
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| 19:39.19 | mfrisch | abrotman: but its not failover clusters |
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| 19:39.31 | abrotman | duh |
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| 19:40.50 | mfrisch | redhat is talking about virtualization |
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| 19:42.09 | abrotman | mfrisch: he wasn't |
| 19:43.06 | mfrisch | abrotman: I'm asking in a line what is the difference between them? |
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| 19:44.43 | Ny-Ty | please |
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| 19:45.01 | earthian | hello, how do i make a nice boot debian splash like there is one in Ubuntu or Windows or some other crapware... it looks nice tho. |
| 19:45.16 | abrotman | apt-cache search boot splash |
| 19:45.25 | Ny-Ty | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFC: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 19:45.26 | earthian | thats all? |
| 19:45.27 | mfrisch | earthian: there are a couple |
| 19:45.27 | Ny-Ty | up to |
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| 19:45.36 | Ny-Ty | Please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 19:45.44 | abrotman | Ny-Ty: you screwed up your kernel compile .. ask #kernel |
| 19:45.50 | Ny-Ty | VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 19:45.51 | Ny-Ty | ah ok |
| 19:45.53 | thug | need help to add useradd -u 98 -g 98 -c Vpopmail-Master -d /home/vpopmail -s /bin/false vpopmail = useradd: unknown group 98 === useradd: unknown group 98 |
| 19:45.58 | thug | how do i fix this ? |
| 19:46.01 | thug | groupadd: group 98 exists |
| 19:46.40 | jelly-home | thug: use group symbolic name |
| 19:46.52 | thug | how ? |
| 19:46.54 | earthian | Ny-Ty, it looks like you screwed your grub or lilo... you need to reconfig them. |
| 19:46.54 | eisen | you mixed up gid and name most likely |
| 19:46.54 | thug | Group/user 98 is in use by ident |
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| 19:47.06 | thug | eisen looks like |
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| 19:47.34 | thug | groups and users with special gid (group id) and uid (user id) |
| 19:47.52 | eisen | but then -g looks right, it takes a gid |
| 19:48.16 | nethenson | thug: use another number, different from 98 |
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| 19:48.29 | thug | whys that ? |
| 19:48.30 | jelly-home | eisen: "The group name" |
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| 19:48.50 | thug | here is what i fallow >>> http://sylvestre.ledru.info/howto/howto_qmail_vpopmail.php#qmail.user |
| 19:48.57 | eisen | or just edit /etc/group afterwards |
| 19:49.03 | jelly-home | thug: groups <= 100 are reserved in debian anyway, you shouldn't add any withouy good reason |
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| 19:50.05 | drako | !Kp |
| 19:50.05 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 19:50.17 | jelly-home | thug: custom system user/group range is 100-200 I think |
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| 19:51.10 | eisen | hm, they create lots of users in that howto |
| 19:51.35 | thug | yea |
| 19:51.46 | eisen | qmail must suck then ;-) |
| 19:51.59 | jelly-home | thug: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2 |
| 19:52.01 | mfrisch | qmail is crap |
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| 19:53.11 | thug | whys that ? |
| 19:53.25 | thug | whats better for a mail server ? |
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| 19:53.41 | thug | qmail its well explained .has a good guides |
| 19:53.42 | jelly-home | thug: you might want to use adduser --system --group (man adduser) |
| 19:53.50 | eisen | I had decent experiences with postfix. It wasn't too hard to setup. |
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| 19:53.57 | thug | jelly-home how do i get rid of one group ? |
| 19:54.02 | nima | thug, I like postfix/courier |
| 19:54.10 | mfrisch | thug: depends what you want or need to do I use postfix dovecot and mailscanner. postfix has its problems |
| 19:54.15 | thug | nima and whats you web interface ? |
| 19:54.23 | nima | Squirrelmail |
| 19:54.30 | thug | does it work fine ? |
| 19:54.36 | thug | any howtos for debian ? |
| 19:54.36 | nima | It works perfectly |
| 19:54.48 | nima | thug, yeah, just a second |
| 19:55.01 | GNP | Im new to the world of setting up a home server and from all I have heard and been recomended debian is the way to go... do I need all the cd iso's listed on your torrent page? |
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| 19:55.14 | jelly-home | thug: delgroup / groupdel, but verify that nothing uses it beforehand. |
| 19:55.15 | nima | thug, http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
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| 19:55.20 | thug | there are not many howtos out there so thats why people couldnt start running a postfix server |
| 19:55.23 | tabris|away | GNP: if you have enough bandwidth, just use a netinst image. |
| 19:55.37 | mfrisch | GNP: you could use a netinstall cd |
| 19:55.40 | tabris|away | GNP: then you can just dl that disc, run it, and download only what you need. |
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| 19:55.47 | RTAI | I have set up my pppoe connection with pppoeconf and selected to initiate during boot but everytime i reboot although all interfaces are up (and seem to be working) internet doesnt work.In order to make it work I have to switch off pppoe (poff) and restart pon dsl-provider.Any ideas why this happens? |
| 19:56.11 | GNP | ok Ill look at it. Thanks |
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| 19:56.30 | tabris|away | GNP: and yes, they're available for both sarge and etch. |
| 19:56.55 | thug | nima that should work fine for ecth too inst it ? |
| 19:57.10 | nima | thug, I use it with etch |
| 19:57.32 | thug | good |
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| 19:58.07 | Freedom | i need to download Debian last release via torrent but i found a list of torrents files so what i should download? |
| 19:58.43 | PAK-9 | hark that seemed to fix it, I got synaptic via apt fine, thanks a lot :) |
| 19:58.56 | mfrisch | Freedom: just download the netinstall cd and get the rest of it through it |
| 19:59.57 | Freedom | the problem my DSL modem has no driver on linux :s |
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| 20:00.33 | hark | PAK-9: good :) , but don't mix your sources again. And you're on etch now (soon to be stable) |
| 20:00.40 | GNP | website says netinstall is 180 megs but when I start downloading it says its only 112 megs is this because what Im dl'ing is rar'd and unrar'd will be 180 megs? |
| 20:00.45 | mfrisch | Freedom: you should be able to get it going unless you use pppoe |
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| 20:01.21 | Freedom | sorry i dont know whats pppeo as im newbie and new for linux world! |
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| 20:01.31 | Freedom | could youexplain me what i should do please? |
| 20:01.40 | mfrisch | GNP: it should just be an iso file not compressed |
| 20:01.43 | esters | after getting rid of windows i manages to cfdisk the boot location and switched it to /dev/sda1 , which is my debian partition , after rebooting i get this error : http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00495em6.jpg |
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| 20:02.40 | esters | my partition table : http://pastebin.se/6492 |
| 20:02.56 | Freedom | ? |
| 20:02.58 | mfrisch | Freedom: it should work by just setting up your network in the install use dhcp. pppoe is used by some dsl as a login process |
| 20:03.20 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 20:03.28 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here experienced with using xmgrace? |
| 20:03.36 | esters | anyone ? |
| 20:03.37 | Freedom | yeah my connection to the net is by a username and password |
| 20:04.04 | Freedom | and my modem is an usb model (ZXDSL852) |
| 20:04.32 | mfrisch | Freedom: but some let you on anyways do you have a router |
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| 20:04.56 | Freedom | sorry? |
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| 20:05.35 | mfrisch | Freedom: your modem plugs straight into your computer or is there something else in your network? |
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| 20:06.56 | mfrisch | Freedom: so your on 'doz and want to install debian for what? |
| 20:07.41 | Freedom | what i know just i ve usb modem offers by te ISP and getting access to the net by login & password |
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| 20:08.21 | mfrisch | Freedom: what is the install for .. a desktop system? |
| 20:08.56 | Freedom | i just interested in the Linux and they adviced me that Debian can be nice for me as newbie |
| 20:09.23 | tiolxpe | anyone here successfully installed truecrypt on etch |
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| 20:09.27 | peterrus | hey, can someone suggest me good (gui or curses) configureable firewall, I tried Vuurmuur but I couldnt get bittorrent downloads to work as seemingly they operate on ramdom ports or something >_<, I dont like guarddog at all. |
| 20:09.36 | mfrisch | Freedom: well more now than ever but it is a different world |
| 20:09.46 | thug | nima i just start with postif install and i got the first error :) * ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken |
| 20:09.51 | eisen | tiolxpe: yes |
| 20:10.00 | Freedom | you think is better for me as newbie? |
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| 20:10.05 | thug | nima aint bad .. but wanna show ya |
| 20:10.11 | mfrisch | peterrus: shorewall is a good firewall program |
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| 20:10.15 | omar | anyone know if there is a RBL plugin for client-side spam filtering for Evolution ? maybe something like spampal? |
| 20:10.28 | nima | thug, You might want to remove exim first |
| 20:10.28 | peterrus | mfrisch: yeah, but afaik it has no gui/curses config tool, is it? |
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| 20:10.54 | thug | nima exim its not installed |
| 20:11.04 | Freedom | ? |
| 20:11.12 | mfrisch | peterrus: it has great install docs and could be set up relatively quick |
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| 20:11.34 | nima | thug, exim4? |
| 20:11.38 | RTAI | I have set up my pppoe connection with pppoeconf and selected to initiate during boot but everytime i reboot although all interfaces(eth0+ppp0) are up (and seem to be working) internet doesnt work.In order to make it work I have to switch off pppoe (poff) and restart pon dsl-provider.Any ideas why this happens? |
| 20:11.46 | peterrus | mfrisch: true, but if i can't just see what happends i dont like it. I want something with curses or a gui |
| 20:11.51 | libben | how do i remove anything that is related to a ./makeall ? |
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| 20:12.09 | libben | ive installed beryl from a fubar guide... and now i may have files all over the system |
| 20:12.26 | mfrisch | peterrus: you will know what happens and iptraf or something will show better results |
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| 20:12.30 | Gathond | libben: pray beryl has a make uninstall target |
| 20:12.31 | libben | the apt-get installed packages i can live with... but the beryl folders and configs etc etc i want to get rid of. |
| 20:12.42 | Gathond | that or prepare to track down those files manually |
| 20:12.50 | peterrus | mfrisch: well, lets give it a try them, once again |
| 20:12.51 | Freedom | mfrisch:? |
| 20:13.00 | libben | Gathond: what to type for uninstall? |
| 20:13.09 | libben | ./make uninstall ? |
| 20:13.21 | libben | or ./makeall uninstall? |
| 20:13.23 | Gathond | usually make uninstall (if the project comes with a makefile |
| 20:13.31 | libben | it did |
| 20:13.32 | Gathond | dont knot the makeall thing |
| 20:13.33 | mfrisch | Freedom: get etch downloads give it a try get a good install how to first |
| 20:13.36 | Gathond | its usually make all |
| 20:13.38 | libben | and i installed with ./makeall |
| 20:13.46 | Gathond | just type "make uninstall" |
| 20:13.49 | libben | k |
| 20:13.49 | peterrus | mfrisch: so, its installed now, what to do now, I want too see what the current rules are |
| 20:13.55 | Gathond | and hope it does something usefull:) |
| 20:14.11 | libben | with sudo ? |
| 20:14.15 | libben | i have installed sudp |
| 20:14.19 | libben | sudo |
| 20:14.22 | mfrisch | peterrus: I have it set up on my router and works great . |
| 20:14.22 | Freedom | etch isnt last release? |
| 20:14.39 | peterrus | mfrisch: yeah but I just want it on a client |
| 20:14.41 | streuner | Freedom: /topic |
| 20:14.53 | Freedom | ? |
| 20:14.53 | eisen | Freedom: seems that modem is somewhat problematic |
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| 20:15.04 | mfrisch | Freedom: etch is the next release get at least rc1 and at the first prompt type linuxgui |
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| 20:15.54 | mfrisch | peterrus: it just makes it simpler less zones now goto /usr/share/doc/shorewall/examples |
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| 20:16.14 | thug | dam i cannot get rid of courier-authlib-mysql /var/run/courier/authdaemon/pid.lock: No such file or directory |
| 20:16.23 | mfrisch | eisen: usb networks all are problematic |
| 20:16.34 | eisen | Freedom: I'd recommend to get a recent knoppix and test if it works with that. |
| 20:17.30 | thug | E: courier-authlib-mysql: subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 20:17.40 | thug | can anyone please help me to get rid of it ? |
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| 20:18.22 | mfrisch | thug: touch /var/run/courier/authdaemon/pid.lock then remove it |
| 20:18.29 | Freedom | i installed ubuntu (6.10) n same problem ,despite found someting on the french site talked about zxdsl 852 modem |
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| 20:18.54 | thug | mfrisch touch: cannot touch `/var/run/courier/authdaemon/pid.lock': No such file or directory |
| 20:19.19 | mfrisch | thug: is mysql running? |
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| 20:19.53 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here experienced with using xmgrace? |
| 20:19.54 | peterrus | mfrisch: so, in the one-interface folder are some files, what to do with them? |
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| 20:20.11 | eisen | Freedom: maybe your isp offers you a replacement with an ethernet jack. At least with mine I can get a new one for free. |
| 20:20.54 | mfrisch | peterrus: they are base settings for a one interface firewall they are used /etc/shorewall |
| 20:20.55 | thug | mfrisch no |
| 20:21.19 | Freedom | my isp offers just this model !and i didnt lie to risk to buy another one maybe it wont be compatible with it! |
| 20:21.58 | thug | im sure there is a way to get rid of the package |
| 20:22.04 | linux2 | hey can someone help me |
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| 20:22.07 | linux2 | im trying to setup svn |
| 20:22.09 | linux2 | with apache2 |
| 20:22.11 | peterrus | mfrisch: so i suggest I need those for a normal desktop like client machine, i want some bittorrent downloading, jabber, msn etc,. so what to do with these files? |
| 20:22.16 | linux2 | and i have followed all the tutorials i have found |
| 20:22.28 | linux2 | but whenever i enable dav apache2 won't start |
| 20:22.33 | linux2 | it always failes with the error |
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| 20:22.41 | linux2 | DAV not allowed here |
| 20:22.41 | linux2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.58 | eisen | Freedom: did you try the guide for ubuntu then? |
| 20:23.00 | omar | anyone using Evolution 2.x w/ Spamassassin client side email filtering? |
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| 20:23.25 | eisen | it would work the same in debian, most likely |
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| 20:24.03 | mfrisch | peterrus: what ports or services you allow are in two files policy and rules some services have built in port numbering in shorewall you can also have ranges |
| 20:24.03 | Reiser_X | Hi guys |
| 20:24.26 | Freedom | its in french i could understand a bit but as im newbie i didnt understadn the steps n the installing progress |
| 20:24.34 | Reiser_X | i need some problem to use X in my laptop, the problems is i have a WideScreen monitor externa |
| 20:24.39 | peterrus | mfrisch: okay, thats clear, but what do i have to do with those files in the one-interface folder |
| 20:24.52 | Freedom | do you want to look at this page? |
| 20:24.54 | peterrus | mfrisch: i think it are config files, but where to put them |
| 20:24.55 | eisen | Freedom: of course getting the necessary packages without network is problematic |
| 20:25.05 | Reiser_X | when i want to switch to widescreen the key to change in my laptop no work |
| 20:25.10 | Reiser_X | in other OS it work ok |
| 20:25.17 | eisen | Freedom: yeah, let's see |
| 20:25.27 | mfrisch | peterrus: /etc/shorewall/ I said that you will need to edit them for your needs |
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| 20:25.36 | peterrus | mfrisch: understood |
| 20:25.58 | mfrisch | peterrus: and shorewall will not start until the /etc/default/shorewall is changed |
| 20:26.00 | jelly-home | !list |
| 20:26.00 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to jelly-home |
| 20:26.08 | mikearthur | does anyone know what package provides the debian kdm theme? one of my machines has it and one doesn't, and I'm not sure why |
| 20:26.49 | xingu | mikearthur: kde-kdm-themes? |
| 20:26.49 | eisen | Freedom: it's this, right? -> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/materiel/zxdsl852 |
| 20:26.56 | Freedom | yeah |
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| 20:27.15 | Freedom | could you understand french?as i could help you |
| 20:27.22 | mikearthur | xingu: not installed on either |
| 20:27.34 | eisen | Freedom: if I get this right most of the steps are not necessary if you are on a 2.6.19 kernel. |
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| 20:27.41 | Reiser_X | is there any IRC server to install in my server? |
| 20:27.50 | eisen | Freedom: I can read some french |
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| 20:28.13 | Freedom | eisen: dunno whats my kerner :s shame! |
| 20:28.16 | Reiser_X | how can i get a channel so the users in my page conect in |
| 20:28.30 | Freedom | just i know i ve ubuntu 6.10 |
| 20:28.32 | mikearthur | brb |
| 20:28.41 | eisen | Freedom: type uname -a |
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| 20:29.40 | Freedom | but now im using xp (dual booting) |
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| 20:30.21 | Freedom | 2.6.19 no need to do all steps?why? |
| 20:30.37 | eisen | it's already patched with the necessary driver |
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| 20:31.56 | Reiser_X | Hi |
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| 20:32.17 | Reiser_X | Is there some repository for debian to find UNREALIRCD |
| 20:32.22 | Freedom | u mean 2.6.19 contain the right drivers? |
| 20:32.24 | eisen | Freedom: the latest knoppix uses a 2.6.19 kernel. It might be worthwhile to test with that |
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| 20:33.11 | jay | Synaptic says Dynamic Map ran out of space... is there a fix for this apart from removin things from the sources.list file? |
| 20:33.20 | Freedom | lol im confused now! |
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| 20:33.32 | streuner | !dynamic nmap |
| 20:33.36 | thug | nima u there ? |
| 20:33.42 | streuner | !listkeys dynamic |
| 20:33.44 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dynamic' by key (8): dynamic dns ;; _default dynamic dns ;; #debian dynamic mmap ;; dynamics ;; _default dynamic mmap ;; dynamic-mmap ;; dynamic mmap ;; quantum bogodynamics. |
| 20:33.49 | nima | thug, Hello |
| 20:33.54 | streuner | !dynamic-mmap |
| 20:33.54 | dpkg | from memory, dynamic-mmap is "Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, and if you are still having problems try commenting out everything in /etc/apt/sources.list and doing (as root): "cd /; apt-setup", or increasing cache workaround for shortening sources.list |
| 20:33.59 | Freedom | i installed ubuntu and i want to try debian as they told me is best distro and now knopix :s help me please! |
| 20:34.01 | eisen | Freedom: yes, 2.6.19 has the driver included. It might still need the firmware though |
| 20:34.09 | thug | nima where does mysql-virtual_domains.cf goes into ? |
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| 20:34.35 | nima | thug, let me check |
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| 20:34.48 | eisen | Freedom: knoppix is a live cd. it just runs from cd without install. good for testing hardware and useful in any case. |
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| 20:34.49 | Supaplex | Freedom: grab the netinst debian installer iso from debian.org |
| 20:35.00 | nima | thug, /etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_domains.cf |
| 20:35.03 | thug | nima on that guide says i need to create it myself ... but no clue where does it go to |
| 20:35.08 | thug | ok |
| 20:35.23 | mfrisch | Freedom: knoppix is a live cd it doesn't install anything but you may need a different kernel to connect to the internet with debian all doable |
| 20:35.35 | thug | nima and what about in mysql-virtual_forwardings.cf what the select_field = destination what destination ? |
| 20:35.40 | Freedom | yeah because when i click system and administartion it reconginzed the both(dsl modem n my dial up modem)but the problem couldnt make a connexio via zxdsl modem |
| 20:35.46 | Supaplex | nima: there's a #postfix channel to :) |
| 20:36.09 | Freedom | but if i donwload the netinst how i ll do without connection? |
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| 20:36.58 | mfrisch | Freedom: if it works it makes the connection for you! |
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| 20:37.17 | eisen | the problem is that he still needs the drivers |
| 20:37.23 | eisen | henn&egg problem |
| 20:37.30 | Supaplex | Freedom: does the install machine have network access? |
| 20:37.41 | mfrisch | eisen: he just need the updated kernel deb before |
| 20:37.49 | eisen | yes |
| 20:37.56 | eisen | and the firmware |
| 20:38.13 | nima | thug, leave it as "destination" |
| 20:38.28 | Freedom | supaplex :sorry? |
| 20:38.31 | peterrus | mfrisch: and now I am still configuring just to block http, and it still isnt working, any other suggestions? |
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| 20:38.43 | nima | thug, I believe that's a MySQL field, rather than a destination |
| 20:38.54 | peterrus | oh wait, did it correctly |
| 20:38.56 | peterrus | nvm xD |
| 20:38.57 | thug | ok |
| 20:38.59 | thug | thanks |
| 20:39.06 | Freedom | i conect to the net using xp but on linix the problem! |
| 20:39.06 | nima | thug, :-) |
| 20:39.14 | eisen | Freedom: you just need to follow steps 1 and 3 of that howto. skip step 2 entirely once you have a 2.6.19 kernel. |
| 20:39.21 | Supaplex | !cn |
| 20:39.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 20:40.43 | mfrisch | peterrus: be patient and remember the rules in policy are read first and alot is blocked open by default |
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| 20:40.59 | eisen | Freedom: although dealing with kernels might be a bit intimidating for a beginner. |
| 20:41.03 | peterrus | mfrisch: everything is open in my case |
| 20:41.37 | Freedom | yeah thnanks so much! |
| 20:41.48 | Freedom | eisen |
| 20:41.50 | eisen | Freedom: I recommend getting a knoppix, do steps 1 and 3 there. |
| 20:41.53 | tuxedup | i have installed lm-sensors, but when Irun sensor-detect it tells me no sensors found, but i can look at the temperaturs file under/proc/acpi etc etc and see the temp |
| 20:42.16 | eisen | Freedom: from there people can help you to chroot into your existing install and modify it to work. |
| 20:42.23 | zamaliphe | i have removed the .xcompmgrrc file or DIR from my home DIR now what to do ? |
| 20:42.27 | peterrus | mfrisch: by default (in my case at least) nothing is blocked afaik, it it possible to block everything, and then just set some exceptions? |
| 20:42.28 | mfrisch | peterrus: I think there is a one ethernet how to in the docs, it might be letting everything out |
| 20:42.45 | peterrus | mfrisch: what do you mean? |
| 20:43.57 | tuxedup | does this mean I cannot read my temperatures and there is no way around it? |
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| 20:44.15 | Freedom | eisen:look what i found http://sourceforge.net/projects/accessrunner |
| 20:44.30 | mfrisch | peterrus: in /etc/shorewall/policy are some basic rules for your firewall (if it has been loaded) like what to do on outbound connections it uses zones you have two fw and net |
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| 20:45.18 | mfrisch | peterrus: even if you are telling it to block 80 in rules; the policy file may let it through |
| 20:45.21 | eisen | Freedom: if I understand it correctly, this driver is already included in the newest kernel. |
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| 20:45.35 | SeanTater | My monitor says it's optimum refresh is 60hz, but that it's currently set at 75hz. It does not seem to have any problems, but will that hurt it? |
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| 20:46.02 | eisen | is it a tft? |
| 20:46.06 | mfrisch | SeanTater: it will fry your monitor start flickering fun fun |
| 20:46.14 | Freedom | so eisen coulthat help me too? |
| 20:46.18 | peterrus | mfrisch: okay, i understand that, but does the order of the entrys make a difference, because in that i case i set a rule to block everything above, and below that i set a rule to, for example port 22, is that possible, so in this case only port 22 will be allowed and nothing else? |
| 20:46.24 | Supaplex | SeanTater: check with the manufactuers specifications |
| 20:46.28 | SeanTater | mfrisch: then how do I change it? |
| 20:46.43 | eisen | Freedom: the install of that driver is step 2 in your howto |
| 20:47.04 | mfrisch | SeanTater: dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 20:47.05 | SeanTater | Supaplex: okay |
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| 20:47.35 | SeanTater | mfrisch: is there a way I could do it in xorg.conf ? That's how I got the resolution in there.. |
| 20:47.47 | streuner | abrotman: ping |
| 20:47.49 | Freedom | so i installed the cxacru-fw.bin and then i ll exctract it to firmware folder |
| 20:47.54 | abrotman | streuner: ? |
| 20:48.17 | Freedom | then what? |
| 20:48.19 | eisen | Freedom: you basically just type the commands in that are listed there |
| 20:48.25 | streuner | abrotman: do you have an idea, why only 15 people are in #debianppc and 10 on OFTC on the same channel? |
| 20:48.35 | eisen | are you on you linux install now? |
| 20:48.48 | abrotman | streuner: did they move to something else like #debian-ppc ? |
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| 20:48.59 | Freedom | open the terminal window and wriiting 'cvs -d:ext:anoncvs@cvs.infradead.org:/home/cvs co usbatm |
| 20:49.00 | Freedom | cd usbatm/' |
| 20:49.16 | eisen | this would require network access, Freedom |
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| 20:49.28 | streuner | abrotman: no, both are empty... |
| 20:49.38 | Freedom | so what i should type ? |
| 20:49.51 | mfrisch | peterrus: look at the policy file! you would not allow fw to net or net to fw then make a new rule in the rule file to allow 22 |
| 20:50.20 | eisen | Freedom: have you considered the knoppix way? |
| 20:50.20 | Freedom | sudo lsmod | grep cxacru |
| 20:50.21 | abrotman | weird |
| 20:50.28 | streuner | yeah |
| 20:50.40 | streuner | i think it was really bigger before |
| 20:50.50 | peterrus | mfrisch: i think i am getting it, but for example bittorrent, it uses like, random ports, doesnt that cause trouble? cause with vuurmuur (another firewall with a great config tool) it did |
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| 20:51.10 | Freedom | but eisen dunno how it ll take the time as i ve 128 kbps speed |
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| 20:51.19 | eisen | Freedom: oh |
| 20:51.26 | eisen | hm |
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| 20:51.50 | mfrisch | peterrus: its uses semi random ports it is still part of a range like if you would want to allow sip which uses anything between 10000-20000 |
| 20:51.54 | Freedom | lol you dont know where im living :p its great that i know Lnux :p |
| 20:52.11 | edju | I have vlc 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-1 (on etch). There was a security notice yesterday re: vlc saying to upgrade to (").debian-3. I've run apt-get upgrade and theere is no new vlc. Any advice appreciated. |
| 20:52.19 | peterrus | Freedom: thats true. |
| 20:52.35 | eisen | Freedom: which kernel do you have? |
| 20:52.44 | abrotman | streuner: i thought so too |
| 20:53.07 | peterrus | mfrisch: yes, but wouldnt that allow a trojan @ port 23000 acces to its master? |
| 20:53.34 | eisen | Freedom: somebody might be able to send you his module |
| 20:53.46 | Freedom | Linux here is rarly used in my country ,,all they re drugged by windows |
| 20:53.52 | eisen | you would only have to copy it into the module dir then |
| 20:54.03 | mfrisch | peterrus: as would any firewall |
| 20:54.16 | thug | nima Do not forget to restart the authdaemon process using /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon restart /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon doesnt exist |
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| 20:54.24 | peterrus | mfrisch: so bittorrent is crap? |
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| 20:54.42 | peterrus | I mean, it cant use fixed ports, so whats the use, it renders your system very dangerous |
| 20:54.45 | thug | nima courier-authdaemon its installed |
| 20:54.50 | Freedom | eisen unfortunately i dont know !i should restart my windows to use the Ubuntu parts (dualbooting) |
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| 20:55.11 | mfrisch | peterrus: I have had little use for it, most p2p networks are plagued with problems |
| 20:55.18 | nima | thug, Hmmm... I have it |
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| 20:55.45 | peterrus | mfrisch: "Most linux firewalls are to prevent things getting in, not getting out. I do not think there is any spyware in linux. You can relax and stop thinking in a "Windows World" kind of way." |
| 20:55.52 | peterrus | someone said that |
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| 20:56.03 | Freedom | eisen? |
| 20:56.09 | eisen | Freedom: there's a ext2 driver for windows. You can then mount the partitions of your linux install and drop files there |
| 20:56.12 | thug | nima give it to me :)) i have one here /etc/rc0.d/K20courier-authdaemon |
| 20:56.28 | peterrus | so does this mean it is wise to just let everything to out without restrictions? and only let in what i want? |
| 20:56.36 | nima | thug, is that the file itself, or a symlink? |
| 20:56.50 | Freedom | the file i ve downloaded it and i can read it from Linux part |
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| 20:57.08 | thug | nima symlink |
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| 20:57.40 | mfrisch | peterrus: my router does both its a two nic yes traffic in is more important than traffic out |
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| 20:58.00 | thug | nima why i dont have /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon ? if i did install it ? |
| 20:58.16 | eisen | Freedom: ah, I see. Now you only have to find a modem user that has the exact same kernel as you do. |
| 20:58.33 | eisen | Freedom: ask him to send you the module. |
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| 20:58.42 | mfrisch | peterrus: more importantly I don't think it even starting yet ;-) |
| 20:58.47 | peterrus | mfrisch: I see, but buttorrent downloads mostly, so that would be "in" and that is still on random ports, so if i open a big range of ports it would still be dangerous |
| 20:58.47 | eisen | Freedom: that would be the simplest solution |
| 20:59.05 | Freedom | sorry wich module? |
| 20:59.19 | Freedom | oh my god i feel im stupid ! |
| 20:59.29 | eisen | the file is called cxacru.o |
| 20:59.51 | nima | thug, you should have it if courier-authdaemon is installed |
| 21:00.06 | mfrisch | peterrus: not dangerous a firewall is not going to stop all the attempts to root your system. They could be trying to use ssh to wipe your drive. |
| 21:00.08 | eisen | Freedom: no, not stupid. It's not so easy after all. |
| 21:00.24 | eisen | Freedom: err, cxacru.ko |
| 21:00.25 | nima | thug, if it's not there, I'll just give it to you :-P |
| 21:00.26 | thug | nima i reinstall it and nothing ;( dam this can only hapend to me |
| 21:00.58 | Freedom | eisen: the file that i downloaded is cxacru-fw.bin.gz |
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| 21:01.28 | eisen | Freedom: yes, that's the firmware that isn't shipped with the kernel as it's closed source. |
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| 21:01.36 | Yns | hi all |
| 21:01.40 | eisen | Freedom: you need both |
| 21:01.50 | nima | thug, are you sure you're not typoing? |
| 21:02.01 | Freedom | can i find it on the net? |
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| 21:02.04 | Yns | i installed kdm,kde but after i login with kdm, gnome opens in desktop... |
| 21:02.20 | Yns | i can't login with kde |
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| 21:02.23 | Yns | any idea you have? |
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| 21:02.28 | thug | nima /etc/init.d/co console-screen.sh courier-imap-ssl courier-pop-ssl courier-imap courier-pop |
| 21:02.39 | mfrisch | Yns: use a different session type |
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| 21:03.08 | Yns | sorry i'm newbie..use a different session type? |
| 21:03.09 | Ny-Ty | how much time is Xsane scanning ?:D |
| 21:03.13 | Ny-Ty | xsane scanning ports?:| |
| 21:03.20 | Ny-Ty | 5 minutes it does nothing:| |
| 21:03.26 | eisen | Freedom: it has to match your kernel version, so it's unlikely. Maybe in #ubuntu if you are lucky. |
| 21:03.35 | mfrisch | Yns in your login window you will have an option for different sessions |
| 21:03.53 | nima | thug, http://pastebin.com/869708 |
| 21:04.01 | eisen | Freedom: give them the output of uname -a |
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| 21:04.35 | Freedom | ok excuse me for disturbing you (einsi) |
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| 21:05.17 | Freedom | eisen: thank you so much and each one tried to help me :) |
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| 21:05.25 | Supaplex | you are a disturbance to all that is rolliepollie ;) |
| 21:05.27 | thug | nima dpkg -L courier-authdaemon shows its in /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon but it aint |
| 21:05.40 | eisen | Freedom: np. but as I said it would be much simpler with knoppix. |
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| 21:06.00 | Supaplex | eisen: there's a debian live cd now to. |
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| 21:06.17 | Freedom | but is it good for newbies lol nul is the right word! |
| 21:06.23 | nima | thug, my copy is at that link |
| 21:06.27 | eisen | Supaplex: does it run a 2.6.19? |
| 21:06.47 | Supaplex | is it in sid? |
| 21:06.52 | eisen | Freedom: if you hit hardly supported hardware especially network it's bad luck. |
| 21:07.16 | eisen | slap your isp for handing you such crappy stuff in the first place |
| 21:07.37 | Supaplex | slap the manufactuer! |
| 21:07.43 | mfrisch | slap slap |
| 21:07.45 | sorl_ | how can i remove a drive from a raid array? |
| 21:07.57 | sorl_ | it keeps saying the partition is buzy... |
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| 21:08.08 | Supaplex | I use a sysadmin for that. ;) |
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| 21:08.19 | sorl_ | mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/hdc2 |
| 21:08.21 | sorl_ | mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/hdc2: Device or resource busy |
| 21:08.42 | mfrisch | sorl_: well is something using it? |
| 21:08.43 | Supaplex | a better question is, why is it busy? |
| 21:08.52 | Freedom | i contact them but no reply also the manufacturer ZTE, they asked me firstly for the type and some question but finnaly they told me sorry for the inconvinience,it snt stupid! |
| 21:09.00 | sorl_ | mfrisch, like what? |
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| 21:09.20 | sorl_ | mfrisch, i havent mount the any raid arrays yet.. |
| 21:09.28 | Freedom | to offer a modem doesnt wok on Linux is lsomething wreck |
| 21:09.35 | sorl_ | and i stopped the mdadm service |
| 21:10.04 | mfrisch | sorl_: what kind of array is it it could need the disk for something else |
| 21:10.07 | HardDisk_WP | client disconnected |
| 21:10.29 | sorl_ | mfrisch, i have a process like this: [md1_raid1] |
| 21:10.43 | sorl_ | i tried to kill it even with -9 but its still there :) |
| 21:10.58 | sorl_ | oops i meant [md0_raid1] |
| 21:11.09 | eisen | Freedom: any modem with an ethernet jack will do. If you bug them enough they probably will give it to you. |
| 21:11.14 | Supaplex | sorl_: if it's a kernel thread, it can ignore -9 |
| 21:11.23 | mfrisch | sorl_: are you in single user level 1 |
| 21:11.36 | Freedom | the isp or the manufacturer? |
| 21:11.41 | eisen | Freedom: the isp |
| 21:11.51 | eisen | or did you buy it? |
| 21:11.52 | sorl_ | mfrisch, i have troubles with that because im going thru ssh, and im not sure i will stay connected |
| 21:12.19 | Mark_Iron | IS it a bug or a feature? - strange behavior of tasksel after modifying of the pool on the etch InstallCD (incl. creating new Packages.gz and Release Files) - tasksel DOES NOT install the choice .. any idea WHY? .. thank you a lot in advance ;-) .. it is possible to install this packages with the manual option ... |
| 21:12.46 | Supaplex | Mark_Iron: anything at bugs.debian.org/tasksel ? |
| 21:12.55 | mfrisch | sorl_: someone there would have to get sshd running or you have modules being loaded |
| 21:12.56 | Freedom | yeah i bought it!its under theirs conditions ,to buy it n buy 1 month !i said we rein the 1000 lol maybe Before christ timing! |
| 21:13.07 | Mark_Iron | I will check it Supaplex .. thank you ! ;) |
| 21:13.31 | Supaplex | Mark_Iron: add a descriptive one (reportbug) if you don't already see something. |
| 21:13.37 | sorl_ | mfrisch, ill just try apt-get remove mdadm and reboot... then start from scratch |
| 21:14.07 | Mark_Iron | Supaplex: it would be the first time for me reporting such case |
| 21:14.21 | eisen | Freedom: my isp hands them out without any cost. They don't even take them back when you switch to another one. |
| 21:14.22 | mfrisch | sorl_: so nothings on them yet, remove and remake them. |
| 21:15.02 | sorl_ | mfrisch, exactly nothing is on yet, im going to raid1 from an already installed sys on one disk |
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| 21:15.17 | Supaplex | Mark_Iron: if you can replicate/isolate any of it, let them know. if it's a one time fluke, you still can, but make note of it. speaking of which, I need to followup on a few bugz myself. :) (mac-fdisk on x86) |
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| 21:15.21 | Freedom | eisen:but since when you have the dsl connexion? |
| 21:15.47 | eisen | Freedom: 6 years or so I believe |
| 21:16.02 | Freedom | for us is just now they launched it and not all the country provided with dsl connexion! |
| 21:16.05 | mfrisch | sorl_: they are conflicting somehow because when it loads the mod it its looking for it?' |
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| 21:16.21 | eisen | Freedom: which country do you live in? |
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| 21:16.33 | Freedom | for us 4 eyars maybe more! |
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| 21:16.45 | Freedom | Algeria and you? |
| 21:16.46 | jay | dpkg: 12582912 is 12 mb's? |
| 21:16.47 | dpkg | jay: okay |
| 21:16.48 | Supaplex | eisen: whois suggests china or .dz |
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| 21:17.01 | Supaplex | dpkg: forget 12582912 |
| 21:17.01 | dpkg | Supaplex: i forgot 12582912 |
| 21:17.04 | eisen | Freedom: I see. I'm living in germany. |
| 21:17.15 | mfrisch | Supaplex: is there a .dmz yet |
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| 21:17.28 | sorl_ | mfrisch, mh.. this is weird, im in raid heaven |
| 21:17.33 | Supaplex | jay: use google's calculator :) search: 12582912 bytes to MB |
| 21:17.42 | Freedom | lol u're lucky!!germany is one of the first industrail countries! |
| 21:18.15 | thug | nima one more thing please |
| 21:18.28 | Supaplex | mfrisch: ... what do you .. think? or do you think at all? |
| 21:18.29 | nima | thug, Yeah? |
| 21:18.37 | eisen | Freedom: oh well, probably. I was in algeria once when I was a kid. Beautiful country. |
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| 21:18.57 | eisen | as I remember it at least |
| 21:19.11 | Freedom | yeah thanks ,yours too! |
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| 21:19.36 | mfrisch | whois Supaplex |
| 21:19.52 | jetscreamer | some guy |
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| 21:19.58 | Freedom | you re here a s tourist or you ve family? |
| 21:20.09 | eisen | just a tourist |
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| 21:20.24 | thug | nima create the database entries for my first domain will be in what table from the database i create earlier ? |
| 21:20.31 | Supaplex | mfrisch: did I strike a nerve? we can put this all behind us if you're up to it. |
| 21:20.49 | Freedom | hope you visit us second time :p you're welcome! |
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| 21:20.59 | eisen | Freedom: we went from turkey to marocco |
| 21:20.59 | mfrisch | Supaplex: it was a bad joke relax you will live longer |
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| 21:21.49 | Supaplex | mfrisch: yea, it's all great fun until someone doesn't know better (I'm indifferent) |
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| 21:22.45 | nima | thug, everything's in one database, I think |
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| 21:23.33 | nitro4ce | what package do i have to install to change the language of kde? i go to control center but the language i want is not installed. |
| 21:23.34 | mfrisch | Supaplex: we don't use country domains as much in the us thats all, and each country has its own idea about how the internet should be |
| 21:23.45 | PerfDave | nitro4ce: apt-cache search kde-i18n |
| 21:23.49 | nima | thug, if that's what you're asking |
| 21:24.08 | thug | yeah |
| 21:24.08 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search kde-i18n or apt-cache search kde- |grep i18 |
| 21:24.09 | thug | thanks |
| 21:24.15 | nitro4ce | perfdave thanks |
| 21:24.28 | Supaplex | mfrisch: granted. do you know how to check on an existing tld? |
| 21:24.46 | mfrisch | Supaplex: tld? |
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| 21:24.58 | nitro4ce | jetscreamer thanks |
| 21:25.27 | Freedom | eisen:? |
| 21:25.32 | eldowan | how would I go about setting up a wireless interface for my laptop? I've heard that 2.6.18 has a driver/module for my bcm4318, but I haven't the slightest idea on what to do to get it working. |
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| 21:25.49 | eisen | Freedom: what's up? |
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| 21:26.16 | Supaplex | mfrisch: top level domain. dig is your friend :) |
| 21:27.27 | Freedom | nothing sorry! |
| 21:27.27 | th1 | is there a way to get chkrootkit not to trip about arpwatch so I get a spurious warning mail every day? |
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| 21:27.32 | th1 | other than disabling chkrootkit... ;) |
| 21:27.38 | Freedom | just i wrote to u in the private but you didnt reply so i dont like to disturb you |
| 21:27.53 | jetscreamer | eldowan: no idea. http://www.google.com/linux?q=bcm4318+debian&restrict=linux |
| 21:28.40 | eisen | Freedom: I did not get anything here |
| 21:28.52 | eisen | Freedom: try again |
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| 21:29.24 | Reiser_X | how can i know the version of my Debian |
| 21:29.27 | Reiser_X | ? |
| 21:29.34 | Supaplex | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:29.36 | Ronin | Reiser_X: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 21:29.38 | Ronin | doh |
| 21:29.38 | rahul | Reiser_X: uh, it's what you installed... |
| 21:29.42 | Freedom | u get it? |
| 21:29.53 | mcgreg | hi, I have problem with apt-get |
| 21:30.03 | eisen | Freedom: no |
| 21:30.08 | eisen | Freedom: let me check something |
| 21:30.11 | mcgreg | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 21:30.12 | mcgreg | ead: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 21:30.12 | mcgreg | ead: Error occurred while processing libgnutls12 (NewVersion1) |
| 21:30.13 | Freedom | :s! |
| 21:30.14 | rahul | In Soviet Russia, apt-get has problem with you! |
| 21:30.21 | rahul | !dynamic mmap |
| 21:30.21 | dpkg | it has been said that dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 21:30.34 | mcgreg | thx |
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| 21:30.49 | Reiser_X | 3.1 |
| 21:30.49 | eisen | Freedom: maybe now |
| 21:31.01 | Reiser_X | but, 3.1 is Woody, Potato, ??? |
| 21:31.14 | Reiser_X | 3.1 R1 |
| 21:31.15 | PerfDave | !tell Reiser_X about releases |
| 21:31.27 | Reiser_X | thanks |
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| 21:31.47 | eisen | Freedom: did you register your nick? |
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| 21:32.13 | Freedom | no why? |
| 21:32.37 | Freedom | i use it directly |
| 21:32.40 | Reiser_X | i found UnrealIRCd ircd server for woody at www.apt-get.org |
| 21:32.46 | Freedom | im usint xchat software |
| 21:32.54 | Reiser_X | can i install it in Sarge? |
| 21:32.57 | Freedom | using? |
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| 21:33.47 | eisen | Freedom: you can't msg without being registered I suppose |
| 21:33.55 | eisen | can't query you neither |
| 21:34.08 | eisen | Freedom: /msg nickserv help |
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| 21:34.32 | Freedom | brb eisen |
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| 21:37.17 | Alptraum- | i've a problem configuring proftpd |
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| 21:37.40 | Alptraum- | i installed the binary and configured it to start standalone |
| 21:37.52 | Mark_Iron | Supaplex: I wrote a mail to the tasksel-team |
| 21:38.03 | Alptraum- | i created a user and group ftp which are the default user/group for running the ftp service |
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| 21:38.50 | Alptraum- | and i created a user which is in the ftp group |
| 21:39.13 | Alptraum- | with that user i try to connect via ftp client, but i get an incorrect login answer |
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| 21:41.20 | Alptraum- | look here for the output messages: http://phpfi.com/198366 |
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| 21:41.28 | Alptraum- | i've no idea why |
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| 21:43.44 | shafire | how can i log the start-stop-daemon output? |
| 21:43.57 | Supaplex | shafire: script |
| 21:44.17 | shafire | Supaplex, how? i have a start/stop script |
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| 21:44.22 | shafire | but without logging |
| 21:44.50 | Supaplex | shafire: does it print to the terminal? yes -> man script |
| 21:45.09 | shafire | no background... |
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| 21:45.39 | Supaplex | no background? explain. no pictures? no ^Z? |
| 21:45.57 | shafire | start-stop-daemon --start --background --chuid dennis --chdir /home/dennis/typex --exec /home/dennis/typex/colubrid.scgi |
| 21:46.03 | pluesch0r | evening! i'm using amavis with clamav in etch and would like to disable the quarantine mailing stuff. i just want viruses to be deleted - how do i do that? |
| 21:46.12 | shafire | want to log the output of it |
| 21:46.33 | Supaplex | shafire: ls -la `which script` |
| 21:46.55 | Supaplex | shafire: yes, script is LITERAL do not replace it with anything else. |
| 21:47.38 | Mark_Iron | cool Supaplex ;) ... |
| 21:47.38 | shafire | Supaplex, mhm? don't understand you |
| 21:48.10 | Supaplex | shafire: script (1) - make typescript of terminal session |
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| 21:49.01 | shafire | Supaplex, mhm |
| 21:49.45 | Supaplex | http://rafb.net/p/TUss5m14.html see line 1 where I type script? |
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| 21:53.12 | shafire | mhm Supaplex |
| 21:53.16 | shafire | thats not that i want |
| 21:53.26 | Supaplex | define output :) |
| 21:53.46 | shafire | the log... :-\ |
| 21:53.52 | shafire | it makes no log |
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| 21:54.02 | shafire | when i start the deamon without background parameter |
| 21:54.07 | shafire | it prints that stuff in console |
| 21:54.17 | shafire | i wont have it in console |
| 21:54.25 | Supaplex | but you want it started in the background, and logging. |
| 21:54.33 | shafire | it should print it into file |
| 21:54.37 | shafire | yes |
| 21:55.33 | Supaplex | I don't think start-stop-daemon has that option. what's the scgi written in? |
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| 21:57.32 | Supaplex | shafire: script will allow you to specify a command. maybe you can chain start-stop-daemon to run script in the background |
| 21:57.45 | Freedom | einsen |
| 21:57.52 | shafire | start-stop-daemon --start --background --chuid dennis --chdir /home/dennis/typex --exec /home/dennis/typex/colubrid.scgi |
| 21:57.56 | shafire | it is but no login |
| 21:58.07 | shafire | logging* |
| 21:58.13 | Supaplex | it is what? |
| 21:58.22 | Supaplex | I mean script(1) |
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| 21:59.27 | Surferdude | Does anyone know how to configure networking after you pick the "I dont want to configure networking" on the install |
| 21:59.41 | Surferdude | On sarge with a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:00.14 | Supaplex | Surferdude: by hand, man 5 interfaces, and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:00.27 | pluesch0r | Supaplex: man interfaces, vi /etc/network/interfaces, vi /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:00.32 | pluesch0r | err. .. |
| 22:00.32 | Supaplex | Surferdude: if that doesn't get you up, let us know. |
| 22:00.39 | Freedom | eisen |
| 22:00.43 | pluesch0r | crappy irssi nick completion, sorry. |
| 22:00.49 | eisen_ | isn't there a baseconf in sarge? |
| 22:00.52 | Supaplex | hehe np |
| 22:00.55 | Freedom | eisen:u still there |
| 22:01.03 | eisen_ | yes |
| 22:01.35 | Freedom | eisen without _ ! |
| 22:02.02 | eisen_ | yes, I got disconnected. My isp does this every 12h :/ |
| 22:03.48 | Freedom | how to register |
| 22:03.58 | eisen_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.09 | Freedom | here? |
| 22:04.16 | eisen_ | anywhere |
| 22:05.13 | Freedom | regiser |
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| 22:06.19 | Freedom | REGISTER |
| 22:06.38 | eisen_ | maybe you should try those in a status window, Freedom |
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| 22:07.50 | cosmodad | does anyone know something like resolvconf-for-hosts? That is, a tool that switches /etc/hosts dependent on interfaces-commands? |
| 22:07.52 | Surferdude | That worked, thanks! |
| 22:08.02 | Freedom | I HAD THIS MESSAGE |
| 22:08.04 | Freedom | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.04 | cosmodad | i.e., /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:08.05 | soobnauce | hi, im trying to install a program using wget and when i enter the command, it says that my user is not in the sudo group, i went in and added my user to the sudo group but that didnt seem to fix the problem. can someone please help? |
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| 22:09.22 | stoned | Fair people of #Debian |
| 22:09.27 | stoned | I is here. |
| 22:09.37 | jelly-home | soobnauce: you have to log out and log in again for group membership to update |
| 22:09.55 | soobnauce | ah ok thx jelly, ill try that |
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| 22:10.00 | rahul | who's calling me fair! |
| 22:10.00 | jelly-home | stoned: ave stoned, morituri te salutant! |
| 22:10.04 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 22:10.04 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 22:10.11 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.22 | Supaplex | quick, /ignore *!n=stoned@* ! |
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| 22:12.48 | xored | abrotman: sorry, but could you remember the keyserver question. I could not take care right after it and somehow missed to note how the server you advised, was called. coul you repeat ? |
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| 22:13.12 | Supaplex | xored: the one in the topic? |
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| 22:13.38 | jelly-home | stoned: if I may be so blunt, adding " this is offtopic: " to your lines is quite redundant ole chap |
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| 22:13.49 | stoned | jelly-home: and? |
| 22:13.58 | Freedom | einsen : that doesnt work |
| 22:14.15 | stoned | my sense of self respect was shot years ago bro, you can't really try to piss me off by putting me down |
| 22:14.18 | stoned | it won't work :) |
| 22:14.25 | Freedom | i got this message Vous n'avez encore rejoint aucun canal. Essayez /join #<canal> |
| 22:14.47 | Supaplex | Freedom: from who? |
| 22:15.09 | stoned | is that french? |
| 22:15.11 | jelly-home | stoned: that is all, it'll save you some typing and wasn't really my intention to piss you off |
| 22:15.31 | stoned | jelly-home: hey I appreciate it bro. I wasn't referring to you. |
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| 22:16.50 | Freedom | >nickserv< help |
| 22:17.03 | Supaplex | Freedom: /query nickserv |
| 22:17.11 | Freedom | yeah |
| 22:17.40 | Aubustou_ | Freedom: it says you haven't joined any channel yet. try /join #<channel> |
| 22:17.52 | stoned | but he is in #debian |
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| 22:17.55 | stoned | hes joined a channel |
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| 22:18.11 | Aubustou_ | i dunno, i've just translated the message :D |
| 22:18.14 | stoned | lol |
| 22:18.14 | Freedom | yeah im in this channel |
| 22:18.23 | stoned | what language is it? |
| 22:18.27 | Aubustou_ | french |
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| 22:18.32 | stoned | i knew it |
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| 22:18.36 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:18.49 | Supaplex | JerJer[mobile]: sup :) |
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| 22:20.31 | soobnauce | where is the sudoers file? it says my user is not in the file and wont let me sudo |
| 22:21.03 | Supaplex | man visudo |
| 22:21.18 | soobnauce | ah its in etc |
| 22:21.27 | soobnauce | how can i add my user to sudoers? |
| 22:21.28 | Supaplex | yes, but don't edit it directly |
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| 22:21.40 | vick | What's the package name for libstdc++ 5 ? |
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| 22:21.58 | nOp | libstdc++5 |
| 22:22.10 | ofer0 | isn't that suprising... |
| 22:22.14 | xored | Supaplex: no, i want to run a own server |
| 22:22.23 | vick | ofer0: Wow that is teh real hard! |
| 22:22.43 | vick | nOp: Thanks :D |
| 22:22.47 | nOp | :) |
| 22:22.55 | roadfish | How can I get my memory card detected? I have to unplug my memory card reader and plug in back in. Otherwise, "mount /mnt/sda1" always says "special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist". |
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| 22:23.15 | soobnauce | how can i add my user to the sudoers file? |
| 22:23.19 | Supaplex | vick: cleverly disgisued as the obvious ;) ps, '/msg dpkg search' for more tips. |
| 22:23.47 | Supaplex | soobnauce: run visudo, follow man sudoers |
| 22:24.00 | soobnauce | ok thanks |
| 22:24.11 | Alpha232 | when using dpkg-buildpackage what is the source that it uses for the ./configure script? |
| 22:24.24 | Alpha232 | i am rebuilding an apache and i need to change some of the options |
| 22:24.42 | Supaplex | Alpha232: debian/rules |
| 22:24.51 | xored | wichi keyserver ( own server ) could i use under debian sarge ? |
| 22:24.54 | Alpha232 | ahh thanks |
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| 22:25.23 | ofer0 | soobnauce, I would do it using the wheel group. |
| 22:25.28 | Supaplex | Alpha232: yea, debian, it rules >:) |
| 22:25.32 | Alpha232 | lol |
| 22:25.35 | Alpha232 | don't go there.. |
| 22:25.51 | Alpha232 | i'm using ubuntu and i am fscking sick of hearing the choir of "use the binary" |
| 22:26.05 | ofer0 | Alpha232, if you use ubuntu, try #ubuntu |
| 22:26.06 | Alpha232 | i need to rebuild apache2 to have a shared mod_log_config so i can use mod_log_sql |
| 22:26.13 | Alpha232 | ofer0: ;) lets not go there ;) |
| 22:26.14 | Inkii | hello |
| 22:26.26 | Alpha232 | ofer0: all i hear from them is use the binary |
| 22:26.39 | krazykit | Alpha232, #debian does not support ubuntu. simple as that. |
| 22:26.44 | ofer0 | !ubuntu |
| 22:26.44 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 22:26.46 | Supaplex | Alpha232: this should be fun. /me wanters into there. |
| 22:26.54 | xored | is it possible to use openLDAP as GPG key server ? |
| 22:27.19 | Alpha232 | Supaplex: oh this was from yesterday... |
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| 22:28.21 | Alpha232 | i don't usually deal with packages so never expected to get a tar ball within a tarball within a tarball etc to get to the source |
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| 22:29.51 | stoned | eat some novacaine |
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| 22:29.59 | stoned | then say ubuntu 10 times 3x as fast |
| 22:30.02 | stoned | its freaky |
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| 22:32.22 | edju | OK, I've searched and searched, but acnnot find an answer. I'd appreciate a pointer to a howto on installing debian on a lap with no floppy, no usb and no cd. It is on a LAN with a debian machine. Possible? |
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| 22:33.12 | Supaplex | edju: what's it running right now? is the hdd easily removeable? |
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| 22:33.41 | Supaplex | will it boot from pcmcia? pcmcia cf card? usb memory stick? |
| 22:33.58 | Supaplex | or netboot? (eg, pxe) |
| 22:34.12 | dendrite | edju: Does the machine currently have windows on it? |
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| 22:34.43 | stoned | edju: read carefully the sections 3,4,5 |
| 22:34.47 | stoned | especially 4,5 |
| 22:34.50 | stoned | !install guide |
| 22:34.50 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 22:34.50 | edju | Supaplex, It's running Ubuntu and Win2K - no, hd is not easily removable. PCMCIA will not boot. |
| 22:35.00 | stoned | if it has ubuntu |
| 22:35.01 | stoned | it has grub |
| 22:35.05 | dendrite | edju: http://people.debian.org/~rmh/goodbye-microsoft/pub/debian.exe |
| 22:35.08 | stoned | what is your boot loader? |
| 22:35.15 | stoned | dendrite: eh? |
| 22:35.22 | edju | stoned, grub. |
| 22:35.40 | stoned | edju: you can boot the debian hd-media installer |
| 22:35.43 | stoned | or the netboot installer |
| 22:35.44 | dendrite | edju: http://people.debian.org/~rmh/goodbye-microsoft/more.html |
| 22:35.46 | stoned | with grub |
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| 22:35.58 | stoned | just point grub to the linux/initrd.gz files |
| 22:36.06 | stoned | it will start the network based deb install |
| 22:36.10 | stoned | or do whatever debian.exe does |
| 22:36.17 | sorl_ | any grub maestros here? what does this mean: "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.19.1 root=/dev/md0 md=0,/dev/sdb1 ro" |
| 22:36.20 | stoned | dendrite: thanks for the link |
| 22:36.31 | Supaplex | dendrite: that's fscking cool! |
| 22:36.49 | edju | stoned, Sorry, getting lost 0 which initrd.gz files? Where? |
| 22:36.50 | sorl_ | or with "md=0,/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1" |
| 22:36.59 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:37.01 | stoned | nevermind |
| 22:37.04 | Supaplex | someday someone will write a virus to automatically overtake all windows machines ;) |
| 22:37.07 | stoned | looks like this tool does exactly wha tI'm taling about |
| 22:37.09 | stoned | its automated |
| 22:37.16 | stoned | I don't trust a lot of automation not done by me |
| 22:37.19 | dendrite | Supaplex: I had that thought immediately when I saw that site. :-) |
| 22:37.22 | stoned | I'd rather do it with grub myself |
| 22:37.27 | stoned | but you can do it with that tool if you like |
| 22:37.38 | sorl_ | Supaplex, it has already been done by microsoft |
| 22:37.59 | Supaplex | sorl_: I meant with something NON microsoft :p |
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| 22:39.03 | teknoprep | http://download.opengroupware.org/nightly/packages/debian/dists/sarge/releases/opengroupware-1.0alpha12-ultra/binary-i386/ |
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| 22:39.15 | teknoprep | how would i use that repo for apt in the sources.list |
| 22:39.22 | teknoprep | i am having trouble setting it up |
| 22:39.24 | sorl_ | the only thing desktop users is missing quite badly on linux now is something like native picasa |
| 22:39.26 | g333k_laptop | hi, do you know what happened with the kdocker pkg? |
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| 22:39.58 | teknoprep | i was pretty sure google released picasa for linux |
| 22:40.03 | sorl_ | today openoffice, firefox, flash9, w32codecs makes linux desktop possible |
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| 22:40.19 | sorl_ | teknoprep, yes but its under wine and it doesnt work too good |
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| 22:40.33 | thug | nima Temporary lookup failure any idea about this error ? |
| 22:40.47 | teknoprep | hey any help on that repo ? |
| 22:40.49 | sorl_ | there is f-spot but it kinda sux too |
| 22:40.55 | nima | thug, in what? |
| 22:40.56 | teknoprep | i can't seem to add it into apt correctly |
| 22:41.15 | thug | nima try to send mail from test@tupacfan.org to test@tupacfan.org |
| 22:41.21 | teknoprep | deb http://download.opengroupware.org/packages/debian sarge releases/opengroupware-1.0alpha12-ultra releases/sope-4.4beta.6-voyager releases/ThirdParty |
| 22:41.23 | xored | any chance to get file-locking working with NFS ? |
| 22:41.23 | teknoprep | doesn't work for it |
| 22:41.23 | thug | nima while telnet to localhost 25 |
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| 22:42.46 | nima | thug, does the logfile mention anything? |
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| 22:42.59 | thug | Jan 28 22:41:00 Tupacfan postfix/proxymap[9560]: warning: mysql query failed: Table 'provider.transport' doesn't exis |
| 22:43.05 | thug | need to create the transport table |
| 22:43.09 | g333k_laptop | hi, do you know what happened with the kdocker pkg? |
| 22:43.09 | thug | how will i do that ? |
| 22:44.04 | teknoprep | anyone? lol |
| 22:44.08 | teknoprep | seems like an easy question |
| 22:44.43 | nima | thug, did you use the same database and table names as he did? |
| 22:44.54 | thug | yeah |
| 22:45.02 | thug | but he didnt said anything avout trasport |
| 22:45.04 | thug | about |
| 22:45.09 | thug | have a look yourself |
| 22:45.17 | thug | theres no table transport in the tut. |
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| 22:46.47 | nima | thug, check your config files? |
| 22:47.13 | thug | i need to create the " transport table " which its not on the guide you gave me |
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| 22:47.27 | thug | i need to look somewhere else for it .. how to create it |
| 22:47.45 | nima | thug, do your config files mention "transport" anywhere? |
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| 22:48.16 | thug | nima no |
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| 22:52.27 | roadfish | How does Linux know when you have plugged a memory card into a memory card reader? |
| 22:54.42 | nima | thug, restart everything? |
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| 22:54.52 | thug | yes |
| 22:55.00 | thug | i just disable postconf -e 'transport_maps = ' |
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| 22:55.13 | thug | instead of postconf -e 'transport_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual_transports.cf' |
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| 22:55.28 | thug | because i dont know how to create the transports table in mysql |
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| 22:57.03 | Azio | anybody have any experience with the Compaq SP750 with debian? Getting an issue with debootstrap during the installation :< |
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| 22:57.28 | ofer0 | roadfish, good question. |
| 22:57.30 | jello | Azio: debootstrap isn't really hw-specific... what's the problem? |
| 22:57.45 | Dembug | jello mmm :< well, I'm being an idiot really.. |
| 22:58.03 | Dembug | have been fiddling with the microcode rom patch to get these xeon 733's in it to be recognised. |
| 22:58.11 | Dembug | thats done, and actually totally unrelated to my problem. |
| 22:58.55 | Dembug | Basically I can't seem to get through an installation of either 2.6 or 2.4 on this hardware - and i think its because of the compaq itself.. |
| 22:59.06 | Dembug | (older boxes didnt really like unix/*nix , at all) |
| 22:59.23 | jello | how are you installing? |
| 22:59.33 | Dembug | the netboot install, current (sarge) |
| 22:59.59 | Dembug | Have also tried with some success my backport disk :-) .. and actually managed to install the bugger once.. But something isnt right.. |
| 23:00.16 | Dembug | like... Seek 144800892 limit: 809313 |
| 23:00.24 | jello | Dembug: try the etch one |
| 23:00.29 | Dembug | which let me to suggest it was the scsi3 u160 disks I was using, but it wasnt.. |
| 23:00.38 | Dembug | ahhh good idea ;-> its still a bit buggy... but i will give that a try now |
| 23:00.47 | spacedokke | has anyone had any luck with a daap binary install on debian? |
| 23:01.02 | jello | spacedokke: what is daap? |
| 23:01.19 | spacedokke | *daapd |
| 23:01.21 | Dembug | jello: does etch netboot perhaps have an smp kernel? out of curiosity |
| 23:01.24 | spacedokke | it's basically an itunes server |
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| 23:02.30 | Dembug | i recently acquired a netfinity 5xxx |
| 23:02.30 | jello | Dembug: in etch, there aren't separate smp kernels |
| 23:02.36 | Dembug | ohhhhhhhhh |
| 23:02.38 | Dembug | its automatic? |
| 23:02.41 | jello | it just works :) |
| 23:02.42 | Dembug | oh baby |
| 23:02.46 | Dembug | :D |
| 23:02.55 | Dembug | i wonder if its running at 400hz or 300 hz |
| 23:03.15 | Dembug | heh no :D |
| 23:03.22 | Dembug | im talking about +config freq_hz |
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| 23:04.06 | roadfish | ofer0: when I put a memory card in, I have to unplug and plug in the USB memory card reader. otherwise, "mount /mnt/sda1" gives "special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist". |
| 23:04.07 | Dembug | although at first glance I appear to be a total loser who knows absolutely zero, I'm actually semi-beginner :-D and know a thing or two.. but thats about it ;-) |
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| 23:04.11 | jello | spacedokke: are you having a problem installing a debian package? |
| 23:04.21 | resuDaed | hi, I have just installed debian (testing) to a laptop, and nothing is picking up my usb mass storage device (nothing new is appearing when running dmesg), running 2.6.18-3-686, and udevd is running, any ideas? |
| 23:04.26 | spacedokke | well I can't find the package |
| 23:04.35 | Dembug | resuDaed eek :< |
| 23:04.42 | jello | spacedokke: check packages.debian.org or wnpp |
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| 23:04.46 | spacedokke | i try the apt-cache search for daapd and nothing returns |
| 23:04.48 | Dembug | well udev is a step in the right direction :-) |
| 23:04.56 | spacedokke | but everwhere just tells me to do the regular install |
| 23:05.02 | Dembug | spacedokke |
| 23:05.05 | Dembug | look for a regular package |
| 23:05.10 | Dembug | and do dpkg -i |
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| 23:05.18 | Dembug | thats really a last resort though duder |
| 23:05.20 | slawmaster | Hi everyone. This is kind of an out-there question to ask, probably coincidence, but let's see. Just this afternoon I did an apt-get upgrade for the first time in months. I left, and by the time I came back the upgrade had completed, but my roommates informed me that the computer had shut itself off and began making a siren-like beeping. It /sounds/ like an overheating problem, but is there any chance that some strange new software upgrade has screwed som |
| 23:05.45 | Dembug | heh slawmaster |
| 23:05.46 | spacedokke | by look for a regular package, you mean googilify and download then run that? |
| 23:05.49 | astronaute | anyone know if there is flash or actionscript channel on freenode please ? |
| 23:05.50 | Dembug | once i installed ntpd on a laptop |
| 23:05.55 | Dembug | whole thing went berserk |
| 23:05.57 | thug | nima are the users dirc created automaticly ? |
| 23:05.58 | Dembug | and i got a "cpu failure" message |
| 23:06.05 | jello | resuDaed: hmm |
| 23:06.06 | michela | hi, I'm having a package not found prob as well - ttf-dejavu |
| 23:06.18 | Dembug | slawmaster: tell me the machine will boot ;-) |
| 23:06.21 | slawmaster | Dembug: I can boot into Linux and go along fine for quite a while without any problems |
| 23:06.23 | jello | resuDaed: it doesn't get recognized at all? |
| 23:06.28 | nima | thug, /etc/vmail? |
| 23:06.29 | roadfish | slawmaster: that latest Debian upgrade has some pretty hot software |
| 23:06.32 | jello | resuDaed: does it work in other machines? |
| 23:06.43 | thug | nima no /home/vmail |
| 23:06.45 | slawmaster | roadfish: Ah, I see... |
| 23:06.50 | Dembug | slawmaster: if its an older machine it could be upset.. just as much as if its a recent one.. |
| 23:06.51 | nima | Oh, that one |
| 23:06.53 | nima | Check |
| 23:06.56 | nima | I'm not sure |
| 23:06.59 | slawmaster | Dembug: It's a couple years old |
| 23:07.09 | thug | nima it should create the usrs home dir autom. isnt it ? |
| 23:07.15 | michela | if apt-get update and trying with --fix-mising doesn't work, what's the next option for installing a missing archive? |
| 23:07.22 | nima | thug, if it's not, create it |
| 23:07.22 | Dembug | hmmm, Most of my problems are with really old boxxen, or the latest stuff, which is why ive ended up using etch of backports on both! |
| 23:07.25 | slawmaster | Dembug: I thought it was an overheating problem, so I pulled out the heatsing and cleaned it, then reseated it with new paste |
| 23:07.36 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.37 | Dembug | slawmaster haha ;-) |
| 23:07.38 | thug | nima how do i give postfix write permissions to /home/vmail. |
| 23:07.40 | resuDaed | jello : yes, it works under other machines. Works under the same machine when running windows. Nothing happens at all |
| 23:07.41 | jello | michela: what's the error? |
| 23:07.47 | sparr | is there a way to use wildcards with apt-get and have it pick (at random, i dont care how) between conflicting matches? |
| 23:07.48 | Dembug | slawmaster: I'd find that hard to believe. or a unique coincidence on your behalf. |
| 23:08.01 | nima | thug chown postfix:postfix /home/vmail |
| 23:08.02 | slawmaster | Dembug: The beeping that was being produced matched the overheat warning for my motherboard |
| 23:08.03 | Dembug | slawmaster: Wheres a temperature laser pointer when you need one eh? :-) |
| 23:08.09 | slawmaster | Dembug: And stranger things have happened |
| 23:08.10 | slawmaster | But yeat |
| 23:08.11 | slawmaster | yeah |
| 23:08.18 | jello | resuDaed: add the line "*.* -/dev/tty8 |
| 23:08.20 | Dembug | yeah dude that sucks.. |
| 23:08.30 | michela | jello, 404 error for ttf-dejavu archive referenced for ftp.fi.debian.org unstable/main |
| 23:08.44 | jello | resuDaed: to your /etc/syslog.conf and reload syslog |
| 23:08.45 | nima | thug, or chown vmail:vmail /home/vmail |
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| 23:08.56 | slawmaster | Dembug: So what do you suggest? You think it'll be fixed in apt soon, or what? |
| 23:09.00 | Dembug | slawmaster: like you say, unless for some godly and overwhelming coincidence and the software upgrade caused your CPU to hover at 100% for too long i cant see how they could be related.. ;-) |
| 23:09.07 | jello | michela: bad/slow mirror, just use another |
| 23:09.09 | Dembug | that beeping is a BIOS signal , id imagine. |
| 23:09.20 | resuDaed | jello : is that with a closing " ? |
| 23:09.27 | slawmaster | Dembug: Well, I've been running my processor at 100% for weeks now (MPrime) |
| 23:09.31 | Dembug | slawmaster: ofc that overwhelming coincidence would require the heatsink to be dodgy too, like you say :-) |
| 23:09.39 | Dembug | slawmaster: ahhh mprime ftw :-) |
| 23:09.45 | slawmaster | The heatsink has worked solidly for me for several years |
| 23:09.52 | slawmaster | 4 or 5, actually |
| 23:09.57 | Dembug | see, i find it hard to believe it'd be the heatsink tbh |
| 23:10.01 | jello | resuDaed: you don't need the quotes actually |
| 23:10.19 | slawmaster | Dembug: Well, I may be banished to Windows for a while. |
| 23:10.21 | resuDaed | jello : yeah, figured that when I opened the file :-) |
| 23:10.30 | Dembug | :( that sucks dude |
| 23:10.30 | slawmaster | Dembug: I guess I'll boot to XP and see if it resets again |
| 23:10.41 | Dembug | slawmaster: my moneys on its a software issue tbh |
| 23:11.00 | Dembug | slawmaster: although unlikely, i see no reason why certain software making certain calls could upset your hardware at the bios level |
| 23:11.00 | slawmaster | Dembug: eh, probably. You think it's likely to be fixed soon? |
| 23:11.20 | resuDaed | brb |
| 23:11.23 | Dembug | maybe best of asking someone a bit more experienced in here ;-) |
| 23:11.29 | jello | resuDaed: you shouldn't have to reboot |
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| 23:11.38 | slawmaster | Dembug: I'd make a bug report, except that I don't really have any info on what happened |
| 23:11.42 | michela | jello, what's the process for adding new archive mirror called? Can't find instructions |
| 23:11.51 | Dembug | slawmaster: aye.. that is very strange I have to say |
| 23:11.56 | jello | michela: just change your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:12.04 | michela | thanks jello |
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| 23:12.41 | resuDaed | jello : plugging/unplugging is not adding anything to tty8 |
| 23:13.00 | jello | resuDaed: modprobe usb-storage |
| 23:13.10 | Dembug | i got debian sarge working with my dell l400 the other day |
| 23:13.20 | Dembug | very nicely actually.. with X and pointer |
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| 23:13.38 | resuDaed | jello : already tried that |
| 23:13.44 | jello | Dembug: why sarge and not etch? |
| 23:14.03 | Dembug | uhh well i lied slightly |
| 23:14.08 | Dembug | have had debian on the laptop for sometime :D |
| 23:14.14 | Dembug | but i decided to go X recently |
| 23:14.14 | spacedokke | does anyone know how to change the X resolution of a vnc server? |
| 23:14.24 | Dembug | actually so i could monitor customers next to my bed. :< |
| 23:14.43 | Dembug | another sad but true :) |
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| 23:16.52 | resuDaed | for some reason, there are still things waiting to be upgraded (not sure how, but hey) so I'll let that upgrade, restart and get back to you |
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| 23:19.47 | jeef | what's the easiest way to get a module to load on startup? |
| 23:19.53 | michela | any ideas on this? Can't upgrade because dependancy ttf-dejavu_2.14-1_all.deb doesn't seem to appear on any mirror. Getting 404s on apt-get upgrade but the mirrors seem fine - possible typo?? 2.13 seems to be latest |
| 23:20.00 | majhoul | hello, i get this message every boot and everytime that i use apt |
| 23:20.02 | majhoul | Turning off quotasquotaoff: Cannot find quota file on / [/dev/hda1] to turn quotas on/off. |
| 23:20.02 | majhoul | quotaoff: Cannot find quota file on / [/dev/hda1] to turn quotas on/off. |
| 23:20.02 | majhoul | . |
| 23:20.03 | majhoul | Checking quotas... |
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| 23:20.09 | jello | jeef: /etc/modules |
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| 23:20.32 | majhoul | sorry |
| 23:20.50 | thug | nima ooks to me like i have to get rid of postfix it doesnt create the user mail dir automatically |
| 23:21.03 | nima | Why? |
| 23:21.05 | jeef | aha |
| 23:21.06 | jello | michela: i downloaded it today |
| 23:21.11 | michela | mmm |
| 23:21.13 | jeef | jello: thanks, i kept checking in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 23:21.27 | jello | np |
| 23:21.34 | michela | jello, which mirror? Can't find on google or uk mirrors I use |
| 23:21.51 | jello | michela: deb http://ike.egr.msu.edu/debian/ unstable main |
| 23:21.57 | michela | cheers |
| 23:22.16 | majhoul | hello, i get this message every boot and everytime that i use apt: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5197 |
| 23:23.27 | jello | majhoul: post your /etc/fstab |
| 23:24.43 | majhoul | jello: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5198 |
| 23:25.09 | jello | majhoul: are you intentionally enabling quotas? |
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| 23:26.12 | majhoul | jello: i am using admin webinterface that need quota |
| 23:26.13 | bwlang | my df is showing a completely different number from my du -sm . (when in /)... I just deleted a 40 gig file. Could there be some delay? df says 103G used, du -sm . says 61G used... |
| 23:26.13 | jello | majhoul: that is, do you want quotas or not |
| 23:26.26 | deb_noob | I've installed the k8 kernel, but it's not listing on bootup in grub |
| 23:27.08 | majhoul | jello: i am using admin webinterface that need quota. |
| 23:27.14 | spacedokke | bwlang: by default doesn't du show only numbers in blocks, not bytes? |
| 23:27.31 | jello | majhoul: do you have quota installed? |
| 23:27.41 | spacedokke | bwlang: maybe du -hsm would give you the answer you're looking for |
| 23:27.45 | deb_noob | anyone know? |
| 23:28.00 | majhoul | jello; yes i have it installed |
| 23:28.36 | Dembug | bah jello: etch says its the ram in the box causing it :( |
| 23:28.37 | Dembug | sad face! |
| 23:29.01 | jello | Dembug: what was that? |
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| 23:29.38 | Dembug | jello: the issue i was getting with debootsrap |
| 23:29.45 | Dembug | Its the ram! |
| 23:29.51 | bwlang | spacedokke: du -sm = 61623 = du -hsm |
| 23:29.52 | Dembug | no wonder i thought the discs were broke. |
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| 23:30.16 | jello | majhoul: quotacheck -c |
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| 23:30.38 | jeef | seems that putting ndiswrapper in /etc/modules makes network-manager break :( |
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| 23:31.04 | jello | Dembug: why am i not suprised... |
| 23:31.04 | majhoul | jello: Bad number of arguments. |
| 23:31.13 | jello | majhoul: read the manpage then |
| 23:31.13 | Supaplex | ndiswrapper murders FOSS |
| 23:31.25 | jeef | is there any proper way to make ndiswrapper start on boot without ruining networkmanager? |
| 23:31.28 | jello | majhoul: you need to create the initial quota file |
| 23:31.37 | jeef | ndiswrapper is the only option for a broadcom airforce one 54g |
| 23:31.41 | jello | jeef: why in the world are you using networkmgr? |
| 23:31.46 | jeef | bcm43xx is broken for this card |
| 23:32.11 | bwlang | spacedokke... i guess it's time for an xfscheck |
| 23:32.13 | jeef | jello: because it allows quick configuration between several networks |
| 23:32.25 | deb_noob | does anyone know why the k8 isn't listing at grub bootup? |
| 23:32.27 | majhoul | jello: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5199 |
| 23:32.37 | jeef | it works fine if it boots then ndiswrapper is loaded manually |
| 23:33.07 | jello | majhoul: so? do what it tells you... |
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| 23:34.49 | deb_noob | k8 kernel not listing at bootup, why? |
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| 23:35.03 | resuDaed | jello : not done any good, got any more ideas |
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| 23:35.57 | karmatronic | resuDaed: what s the matter ? |
| 23:36.07 | jeef | jello: dare you suggest anything better? |
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| 23:36.22 | jeef | it's convenient; it monitors your signal, and monitors nearby networks |
| 23:36.34 | karmatronic | anyone knows how to reduce CPU load on a owned-compiled program ? |
| 23:36.35 | jeef | albeit through iwlist |
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| 23:36.54 | resuDaed | karmatronic : can't get usb to work, nothing appearing in dmesg when plugging/unplugging usb devices, fresh install |
| 23:37.20 | karmatronic | resuDaed: etch,sarge? |
| 23:37.45 | karmatronic | resuDaed: dual boot,working on windows partition ? |
| 23:37.46 | bwlang | karmatronic... nice or renice if it's already running |
| 23:38.06 | resuDaed | karmatronic : etch (2.6.18), dual booting - works under windows |
| 23:38.07 | karmatronic | bwlang: yeah but that doesnt work .... |
| 23:38.55 | karmatronic | bwlang: it says priority changed but cpu applet in gnome still shows 100% |
| 23:38.59 | michela | yikes, any idea how to resolve this? The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 23:39.01 | michela | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.02 | bwlang | karmatronic: it changes the scheduler to give other programs access if they want it... 20 is *lower* priority than 0 (the default) |
| 23:39.03 | michela | E: Broken packages |
| 23:39.14 | karmatronic | bwlang: i know |
| 23:39.28 | michela | I upgraded my dist and all packages |
| 23:39.30 | bwlang | karmatronic: if your system is otherwise idle, then the niced program will use 100% |
| 23:39.46 | karmatronic | bwlang: i reniced and then launched firefox |
| 23:39.54 | karmatronic | bwlang: but firefox was hanging |
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| 23:40.01 | karmatronic | bwlang: so ....doesnt work |
| 23:40.19 | bwlang | karmatronic: it doesn't last across program runs... yo uhave to renice everytime you start... or change your starup script to nice it |
| 23:40.25 | jello | thug: i just helped someone with postfix |
| 23:40.29 | jello | where were you? |
| 23:40.55 | thug | jello postfix doesnt create the user mail dir automatically |
| 23:40.59 | karmatronic | bwlang: i m not renicing firefox ... |
| 23:41.03 | jeef | jello: no response? |
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| 23:41.08 | karmatronic | anyway |
| 23:41.30 | jello | thug: that should be done by the MDA (procmail, usually), iirc |
| 23:41.35 | bwlang | karmatronic: uh..." bwlang: i reniced and then launched firefox" - so what are you renicing? |
| 23:41.53 | jello | jeef: huh? i lost track. what are you asking me? |
| 23:41.59 | karmatronic | bwlang: i m renicing an other program |
| 23:42.09 | jeef | jello: dare you suggest anything better? |
| 23:42.18 | jeef | (than networkmanager) |
| 23:42.23 | jello | oh |
| 23:42.27 | jello | anything? |
| 23:42.34 | karmatronic | bwlang: i renice program A and then launch program B since renicing is supposed to allow me to launch program B |
| 23:42.35 | bwlang | karmatronic: try this experiment... run burnMMX (or some other cpu burn program )... renice it to 20. Then run another copy niced to 0... see which one get the cpu |
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| 23:43.03 | bwlang | karmatronic: it should launch even without renicing |
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| 23:43.20 | jeef | jello: yeah, as in.. networkmanager provides a nice interface for switching between networks; nothing else really does that. sure, wpa_supplicant configured properly will let you hotswap between several networks given priorities are set right, but nothing as advanced as networkmanager |
| 23:43.20 | bwlang | karmatronic: just slower |
| 23:44.26 | jello | jeef: actually, for your exact scenario it sounds okay |
| 23:44.38 | jello | jeef: however, it's very fragile from what i recall |
| 23:44.46 | jello | and that's my real problem with it |
| 23:44.59 | jeef | eh, it seems to not want to detect my wifi card anymore now that ndiswrapper starts at boot |
| 23:45.12 | tuvwx | why isn't firefox/iceweasel in the list of update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser ? |
| 23:45.13 | karsten | What's the licensing of the Debian windows-based installer, anyone? |
| 23:45.33 | karmatronic | bwlang: what i mean is that nice doesnt have to do anything with cpu loading ... |
| 23:45.35 | jello | karsten: URL? |
| 23:45.58 | jello | karsten: never heard of such a beast |
| 23:46.25 | jeef | goodbyemicrosoft.com |
| 23:46.31 | jeef | jello ^ |
| 23:46.41 | bwlang | karmatronic: yes it does... it sets process priority, which allows the scheduler to decide with process gets access to the cpu - if there is enough load then the cpu will always be at 100%... what are you expecting it to do? |
| 23:46.41 | jeef | wait, one sec.. that's not it |
| 23:46.54 | deb_noob | why isn't the k8 listed at grub bootup |
| 23:47.01 | jeef | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 23:48.01 | karmatronic | bwlang: i want my program to run with 50% cpu use |
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| 23:48.08 | tuvwx | is this the same as Debian GNU/w32, or is it something else? |
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| 23:48.51 | tuvwx | karmatronic, install another cpu ;P |
| 23:49.00 | jello | karsten: check the source? |
| 23:49.30 | bwlang | karmatronic: i don't think there is any way to do that without control over the program's source code... run for 2 ms wait for 2ms run for 2ms wait for 2ms. But i can't think of any reason you might want to do that it's just a waste |
| 23:49.32 | karmatronic | cpulimit seems to be able to do the trick |
| 23:49.34 | deb_noob | can anyone tell me a repo to add that will have the nvidia driver? |
| 23:50.03 | jello | !tell deb_noob about nvidia |
| 23:50.26 | deb_noob | jello: i just need the repo and where to add it |
| 23:50.32 | deb_noob | where is the repo list located? |
| 23:50.53 | tuvwx | hmm.. that goodbye-microsoft.com is nothing but debian-installer that can run from within windows. there is a windows port of Debian, like cygwin debian that runs on top of windows |
| 23:51.05 | karmatronic | yeah cpulimit is what i was searching,thanks buddies |
| 23:51.07 | jello | deb_noob: ask it about the one-liner |
| 23:51.18 | pipeline | bwlang: heat :) |
| 23:51.23 | deb_noob | deb_noob about nvidia |
| 23:51.37 | deb_noob | can you message me it again |
| 23:51.45 | bwlang | pipeline: just slow down your cpu then... |
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| 23:52.06 | karsten | jello: www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 23:52.36 | pipeline | bwlang: Heh, you misunderstand: What if you WANT to generate heat? :P |
| 23:52.36 | deb_noob | jello: message me that again |
| 23:52.38 | michela | Does anyone know how to install libapache2-mod-auth-mysql ? This post describes the prob I'm having but no answers I can find anywhere http://vhcs.net/new/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6808 |
| 23:52.43 | jello | !tell deb_noob about nvidia |
| 23:52.57 | bwlang | pipeline: then you'd want it to use 100% right? |
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| 23:53.00 | teknoprep | libfoundation1.1: Depends: libobjc-lf2 (>= 2.95.3.svn161) but 2.95.3.svn146-1 is to be installed |
| 23:53.03 | teknoprep | anyway to fix that ? |
| 23:53.12 | pipeline | bwlang: No accounting for taste. |
| 23:53.27 | Supaplex | michela: do you not know how to install packages, search, or is there a specific issue you're having with this one? (and what's bugs.debian.org say for it?) |
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| 23:53.46 | deb_noob | jello: where is sources.list locate |
| 23:53.48 | deb_noob | located? |
| 23:54.07 | michela | Supaplex, not very helpful... the Specific issue is in the URL above |
| 23:54.12 | teknoprep | /etc/apt |
| 23:54.25 | jello | karsten: GPL2+ |
| 23:54.36 | karsten | jello: Based on an ubuntu project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe |
| 23:54.44 | jello | karsten: very cool |
| 23:54.53 | karsten | jello: ... which is a wiki page, not a Win32 EXE despite name. |
| 23:54.57 | karsten | jello: Quite. |
| 23:56.02 | Supaplex | michela: nopaste your sources.list |
| 23:57.13 | michela | Herre's my sources.list - http://paste.turbogears.org/paste/930 |
| 23:57.32 | michela | Can't find any mention of libapache2-mod-auth-mysql in bugs.debian.org db |
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| 23:57.34 | deb_noob | after changing sources.list do i have to update it anywhere for it to be noticed? |
| 23:57.45 | jello | deb_noob: apt-get update |
| 23:58.03 | sorl_ | whatn does kernel parameter md=0 mean? |
| 23:58.21 | sorl_ | root=/dev/md0 md=0,/dev/sda1,/dev/sdb1 ro |
| 23:59.24 | jello | software raid? |
| 23:59.42 | deb_noob | EdwardElric: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 23:59.58 | deb_noob | what do i do for that? |
