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| 00:00.15 | sorl_ | jello, yes... |
| 00:00.19 | nethenson | can i use axel instead of the normal apt-get download program? |
| 00:00.33 | sorl_ | jello, but i have root on md2 so i need to change it |
| 00:00.46 | deb_noob | what do i do if there is a lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 00:00.59 | deb_noob | unable to lock the administration directory |
| 00:01.04 | jello | deb_noob: find the process holding it... |
| 00:01.13 | deb_noob | how? |
| 00:01.18 | deb_noob | kpackage isn't running |
| 00:01.33 | jello | deb_noob: `ps -ef` will give you a list |
| 00:01.47 | jello | deb_noob: or just `cat /var/lib/dpkg/lock` |
| 00:02.15 | deb_noob | nothing is displayed for cat /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 00:02.57 | deb_noob | and i don't know what i'm looking for with ps -ef |
| 00:03.18 | jello | something using the pkg db... dpkg, apt, aptitude... |
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| 00:05.50 | deb_noob | nothing is running |
| 00:05.57 | deb_noob | jello: can i kill it somehow? |
| 00:06.17 | jello | deb_noob: just `rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock` |
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| 00:07.51 | sorl_ | deb_noob, are u running as root? or using sudo? |
| 00:07.52 | deb_noob | jello: still i get the error |
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| 00:07.59 | deb_noob | sorl_: yes i am |
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| 00:08.45 | deb_noob | brb |
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| 00:14.05 | tuvwx | why isn't firefox/iceweasel in the list of update-alternatives --config gnome-www-browser ? |
| 00:14.35 | jello | tuvwx: file a wishlist bug |
| 00:14.45 | jello | never heard of gnome-www-browser before |
| 00:14.53 | jello | the standard is sensible-browser |
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| 00:15.42 | crazy_penguin | night to all |
| 00:16.18 | majhoul | jello how can i disable qoutas? :( |
| 00:16.33 | jello | majhoul: take out the options in /etc/fstab |
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| 00:17.03 | tuvwx | jello, sensible-browser starts firefox, but still some programs start e.g. galeon instead of firefox. i found out that /etc/gnome-www-browser points at galeon |
| 00:17.07 | k-man_ | j #adempiere |
| 00:17.46 | majhoul | jello i take it out, but after rebooting the option is readding again on fstab |
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| 00:18.53 | jello | tuvwx: file a bug on the stupid programs then... |
| 00:19.05 | jello | tuvwx: progs in debian should use sensible-browser... |
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| 00:19.23 | jello | majhoul: that's very strange |
| 00:19.30 | tuvwx | jello, i don't have any /etc/alternatives/sensible-browser |
| 00:19.44 | tuvwx | jello, although sensible-browser does start firefox |
| 00:19.52 | jello | tuvwx: it's a script |
| 00:19.57 | ericP | how do i tell my sid box that my hw clock is in GMT rather than localtime? |
| 00:20.00 | jello | it tries a couple of alternatives |
| 00:20.23 | jello | ericP: hwclock(8) |
| 00:20.29 | ericP | jello, tx |
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| 00:20.48 | tuvwx | jello, ok. sensible browser seems to choose between www-browser and x-www-browser |
| 00:20.59 | tuvwx | jello, both are setup ok here |
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| 00:21.30 | ericP | jello, i meant that when my laptop boots, i want it to apply the localtime offset to the system clock |
| 00:21.33 | jello | tuvwx: like i said |
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| 00:21.58 | jello | 00:14 < jello> the standard is sensible-browser |
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| 00:22.05 | jello | 00:19 < jello> tuvwx: progs in debian should use sensible-browser... |
| 00:22.39 | ericP | jello, currently, my bios clock is set for GMT but when my system boots, it assumes that's local time (one hour off) |
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| 00:23.41 | jello | ericP: --utc |
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| 00:26.11 | thug | nima whats the permission for /home/vmail ? |
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| 00:32.30 | sniffle | i have a dell wireless card, the orinoco driver is loaded correctly and seems to be working, kdewifi wont find any networks, how can i connect to a wireless network? |
| 00:33.15 | Guerin | sniffle: depends on the network |
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| 00:33.43 | sniffle | WEP |
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| 00:33.57 | sniffle | trying to set it manually with iwconfig gives me error resource busy |
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| 00:35.53 | kjas | hello |
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| 00:36.06 | ccoder_ | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"., /usr/bin/compiz.real: GLX_SGIX_fbconfig is missing, /usr/bin/compiz.real: Failed to manage screen: 0 , /usr/bin/compiz.real: No manageable screens found on display :0.0 |
| 00:36.11 | ccoder_ | How do i enable those ? |
| 00:36.42 | kjas | hi |
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| 00:37.17 | nethenson | can I use 3ddesktop with a Nvidia binary driver? |
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| 00:39.42 | jello | karsten: what was the URL that website again? |
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| 00:44.42 | linux_user400354 | how can i change what is in this proc file? ive been able to add things to it but not delete. i need to be able to change whats in it for sound to work in certain apps. /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss |
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| 00:45.34 | Bogus8 | need to transfer a lot of data off an ntfs partition to an ext3 |
| 00:45.42 | Bogus8 | I got it mounted |
| 00:46.09 | Bogus8 | so I'm assuming rsync is the best way |
| 00:46.20 | Bogus8 | since I don't want to screw it up what is the best way |
| 00:46.57 | Bogus8 | maybe -r and -l ? |
| 00:48.22 | Bogus8 | should I do it as root or a regular user... it's all going to be user files |
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| 00:50.01 | eisen_ | I was just wondering, when etch will be released will there be a big transation when I stay on testing? |
| 00:50.12 | Guerin | !punish thunderbird, sylpheed and evolution for barfing on SSL certificates without CN entries |
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| 00:50.27 | Bogus8 | eisen_: I've been told there won't be able to tell |
| 00:50.34 | Bogus8 | that* |
| 00:50.48 | eisen_ | unstable will become testing then, won't it? |
| 00:51.03 | Bogus8 | Guerin: my man... trying out your Rsync stuff... what options are essential to get all the files? |
| 00:51.11 | Bogus8 | eisen_: that I'm not sure of |
| 00:51.14 | eisen_ | I don't remember from the last release. It was some time ago ;-) |
| 00:51.33 | Guerin | Bogus8: -a |
| 00:51.51 | Bogus8 | Guerin: that's it... no need for r or l |
| 00:51.58 | Guerin | Bogus8: you also want to exclude some stuff, like /dev and /sys and /proc and whatever your mount is |
| 00:52.07 | Guerin | Bogus8: read the description for -a |
| 00:52.39 | Bogus8 | Guerin: it's an external drive from a windows laptop |
| 00:52.54 | Bogus8 | so the only odd thing is that it's ntfs |
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| 00:53.18 | Bogus8 | and I can just rsync it to a sub dir of another drive mounted in there ... seems cake |
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| 00:55.04 | Bogus8 | Guerin: and being root or not shouldn't matter right? |
| 00:55.10 | Bogus8 | better to do as one vs the other? |
| 00:55.14 | Guerin | um |
| 00:55.16 | raf256 | what in the fucks name |
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| 00:55.23 | Guerin | you won't be able to read many files without root |
| 00:55.31 | raf256 | suddenly my mouse whell stoped working wtf |
| 00:55.32 | Bogus8 | that was my thoughts |
| 00:55.42 | Bogus8 | dirt in the optic wheel thing |
| 00:56.02 | raf256 | Bogus8: no, it works but it is recognized as "next" not as Z-up |
| 00:56.18 | liable | even as root, if you are using the rsync daemon, it needs read privilidges |
| 00:56.28 | Bogus8 | raf256: woah, hthat is odd |
| 00:56.35 | eisen_ | you can mount it with the uid option |
| 00:56.38 | raf256 | Bogus8: I was playing with xmodmap |
| 00:56.45 | eisen_ | all files will be owned by that uid then |
| 00:56.52 | Bogus8 | liable: I'll just be running the command once to back up this drive |
| 00:56.57 | jelly-home | is there a way to put FUSE based filesystems into fstab? |
| 00:57.04 | Bogus8 | I need to format it ext3 and swap out the drives in there |
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| 00:57.35 | Bogus8 | eisen_: so just umask it? |
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| 00:57.57 | raf256 | it worked, prise the lord |
| 00:57.58 | eisen_ | mount -o uid=myusername,users ... |
| 00:58.07 | raf256 | Bogus8: it was indeed messed up xmodmap |
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| 00:58.52 | Bogus8 | raf256: that would have been my first guess.. but I'm such a newb I wasn't going to go on a limb with it ;) |
| 00:59.00 | eisen_ | there might be the numerical uid required, I'm not sure. |
| 00:59.33 | eisen_ | since files will be owned by that uid, rsync would work normally as that user. |
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| 01:00.31 | concept10 | someone save me, Im in a infinite loop of learning new vim commands and adding mappings |
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| 01:00.45 | eisen_ | use emacs ;-) |
| 01:01.00 | stojic | I'll have to second that :) |
| 01:01.56 | concept10 | eisen_, I really tried emacs during the last two weeks, and the only thing I liked about it was syntax hightlighting. |
| 01:02.02 | linux_user400354 | what is the advantage of using emacs instead of vim? |
| 01:02.11 | PingFloyd | vim has syntax highlighting though |
| 01:02.13 | concept10 | umm, none |
| 01:02.21 | concept10 | :) |
| 01:02.24 | Guerin | linux_user400354: emacs isn't shit |
| 01:02.25 | PingFloyd | linux_user400354: none, it's just more bloated |
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| 01:02.49 | liable | notepad ftw! |
| 01:02.50 | concept10 | I did give emacs a honest shot |
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| 01:03.06 | mithro | whats the best way to detect a debian system (as appose to redhat or gentoo?) |
| 01:03.10 | PingFloyd | oooo, but it can be a web browser an email client, it slices it dices |
| 01:03.16 | Guerin | mithro: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:03.17 | concept10 | even though, I admit, I do not want to learn an entire set of commands |
| 01:03.20 | pipeline | mithro: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:03.38 | PingFloyd | concept10: just find a quick reference of vim command on the web |
| 01:03.46 | stojic | I have a GPU that has 128MB of memory, but "can use up to 256MB" so it steals 128MB from my main memory. This is a laptop (nforce2 chipset, GPU is NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300) so there are virtually no BIOS. I am running Debian Testing. How could I reclaim that memory? |
| 01:03.52 | PingFloyd | concept10: there are all sorts of them all the place |
| 01:03.55 | mithro | hrm, /etc/debian_version also exists on ubuntu? |
| 01:03.59 | PingFloyd | all over* |
| 01:04.07 | stojic | no BIOS settings, that is |
| 01:04.08 | Guerin | mithro: yes, on almost all debian-based distros |
| 01:04.36 | garotosopa | hi there. is it possible to enable delay_pools in the squid3 package available in etch? |
| 01:04.41 | mithro | so is there a way to find out if a system is ubuntu, debian, or other? |
| 01:04.42 | concept10 | PingFloyd, been there for two hours already, learned about 10 commands, enough for today |
| 01:04.48 | Guerin | mithro: there's no *definitive* way to detect debian over anything else. Since it's free software anyone can, and usually does, adopt any such means in their own distro. |
| 01:04.56 | linux_user400354 | how can i change what is in this proc file? ive been able to add things to it but not delete. i need to be able to change whats in it for sound to work in certain apps. /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss i tried messing around with sysctrl but that doesnt seem to be how to do it. |
| 01:04.56 | thug | what better to use for name server my domain registrar provide my name servers and my isp too which one should i use ? to make the domain i buy to point to my ip ? |
| 01:05.08 | mithro | Guerin: i was hoping there was a LSB standard or something |
| 01:05.15 | Guerin | thug: whichever's faster |
| 01:05.20 | Guerin | mithro: keep hoping. |
| 01:05.21 | PingFloyd | linux_user400354: echoing into it |
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| 01:05.49 | mithro | Guerin: dang... I guess i'll check for /etc/debian_version then and just hope apt-get does the right thing |
| 01:05.50 | thug | Guerin name server its like NS1.MYDOMAIN.COM, NS2.MYDOMAIN.COM but where do i tell to point to my ip ? |
| 01:05.50 | eisen_ | your sources.list might indicate where you get your packages from |
| 01:06.00 | thug | Guerin this is what my domain registrar provide my |
| 01:06.11 | litage | [other than manually running ``shutdown'',] what could cause 3 machines, each running different software, each on different subnets, to all reboot at the *exact* same time? |
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| 01:06.15 | Guerin | thug: you run two nameservers and you don't know this? |
| 01:06.25 | PingFloyd | kind of scary huh |
| 01:06.32 | thug | Guerin i dont run them ... thats what they gave me |
| 01:06.43 | Guerin | thug: then they're fucking idiots. |
| 01:06.52 | thug | whys that ? |
| 01:06.56 | PingFloyd | probably windows admins |
| 01:07.01 | thug | :)) |
| 01:07.07 | thug | Unless otherwise indicated, you must use: NS1.MYDOMAIN.COM, NS2.MYDOMAIN.COM, NS3.MYDOMAIN.COM, NS4.MYDOMAIN.COM name servers for these services to function properly |
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| 01:07.14 | thug | thats what they`re saying |
| 01:07.15 | concept10 | Guerin, are you saying thugs shouldnt be handed servers? |
| 01:07.28 | Guerin | thug: because those should only be used if you actually RUN nameservers. |
| 01:07.30 | linux_user400354 | PingFloyd: i tried that already, but it doesnt overwrite what is in the file already. i need to remove what is already there and replace it. # cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss et.x86 0 0 disable # cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0c/oss et.x86 0 0 disable |
| 01:07.30 | linux_user400354 | a 0 0 |
| 01:07.38 | deb_noob | can anyone help me? the nvidia drivers are not showing up with apt-cache search or in kpackage |
| 01:07.50 | Guerin | thug: ask your eejit registrar to explain why you are supposed to point at YOUR OWN nameservers that you don't run |
| 01:07.53 | PingFloyd | linux_user400354: echo with what you need to replace it with |
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| 01:08.06 | thug | Guerin i only want to get rid of zoneedit ... i want to tell www.mydomain.com (the place i buy my domanin) to point to my ip |
| 01:08.09 | Guerin | thug: or better yet, get a proper registrar |
| 01:08.13 | linux_user400354 | PingFloyd: it doesnt replace what is already there. instead it appends to what is already there. |
| 01:08.17 | eisen_ | deb_noob: add non-free to your stanza in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 01:08.17 | linux_user400354 | ive tried that already |
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| 01:08.31 | deb_noob | eisen_: can you tell me what line/lines to add? |
| 01:08.33 | Guerin | thug: so set its A record. If you don't know how, ask your regiustrar for support. |
| 01:08.46 | PingFloyd | linux_user400354: usually, startup scripts take of things like that |
| 01:08.57 | PingFloyd | linux_user400354: like when you install a package etc |
| 01:09.07 | linux_user400354 | PingFloyd: i need to change it a few times after i start my computer manually |
| 01:09.07 | deb_noob | eisen_: what are the lines to add? |
| 01:09.35 | thug | Guerin well i can also use the ISP one .. they gave ne nameserver too |
| 01:09.37 | eisen_ | deb_noob: at the end of the main deb line, just add it there. |
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| 01:09.53 | thug | Guerin if i put that will my domain point to my ip ? |
| 01:09.55 | deb_noob | just non-free? |
| 01:09.59 | eisen_ | deb_noob: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free |
| 01:10.04 | eisen_ | e.g ^^ |
| 01:10.05 | Guerin | thug: if you put is *where*? |
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| 01:10.15 | PingFloyd | deb_noob: yeah, seperated from main and anything else with whitespace |
| 01:10.17 | Guerin | thug: i have no idea what you're actually trying to do |
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| 01:10.35 | thug | Guerin into Name Servers section from www.mydomain.com |
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| 01:11.08 | linux_user400354 | i have created a ~/bin. how can i add it to my user's path? |
| 01:11.15 | Guerin | thug: if you're using a web interface, talk to whoever designed it |
| 01:11.21 | thug | Guerin i want to tell www.mydomain.com to not point nameserver to zoneedit.com and then zoneedit to my ip ... i want www.mydomain.com to point to my address direct |
| 01:11.22 | Guerin | they vary *wildly* in quality |
| 01:11.28 | thug | damm |
| 01:11.31 | thug | you dont get it |
| 01:11.32 | thug | :) |
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| 01:11.38 | nsunzofma | anybody familiar w/grub bootloader |
| 01:11.39 | Guerin | no, i don't |
| 01:11.44 | Bogus8 | hey Guerin I did a quick test and it all got root ownership :( |
| 01:11.51 | thug | they dont ask me for ip to point to they ask for name server |
| 01:12.02 | Guerin | nsunzofma: no, it's one of life's enduring mysteries, like how santa claus gets arouns the world with so much cheap tat |
| 01:12.10 | Bogus8 | when I mountd I did -t ntfs -O umask=1000 |
| 01:12.14 | Guerin | thug: so tell it a fucking nameserver! |
| 01:12.16 | Bogus8 | guess that's not good enough |
| 01:12.23 | Guerin | thug: in principle any nameserver should do |
| 01:12.24 | thug | Guerin and as name server i used zoneedit .... and in zoneedit i could tell them to point to my ip |
| 01:12.31 | eisen_ | Bogus8: -o uid=1000 |
| 01:12.35 | thug | Guerin :)))))))))) |
| 01:12.40 | Bogus8 | eisen_: Ah! |
| 01:12.47 | thug | Guerin never mind .. have a nice day .. night whatever |
| 01:13.06 | deb_noob | thank you eisen_ |
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| 01:13.21 | deb_noob | eisen_: if i install the k8 kernel, why is it not listed at grub? |
| 01:13.24 | Bogus8 | eisen_: and 1000 is the "octal" UID right? |
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| 01:13.55 | eisen_ | Bogus8: no it's the number of your first user, in denary. |
| 01:14.14 | eisen_ | Bogus8: look at /etc/passwd |
| 01:14.22 | Bogus8 | eisen_: because it said umask is to be the value in octal... and that just confuses me |
| 01:14.28 | PingFloyd | or type id under the user you want |
| 01:14.45 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: so what is the "octal" all about? |
| 01:14.53 | eisen_ | Bogus8: umask determines permissions of the files. those are octal |
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| 01:15.01 | Vituz | hmmm is there something I'm missing besides apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 to migrate to 2.6? |
| 01:15.02 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: octal for what? |
| 01:15.02 | Bogus8 | this is on a math guru's pc and he doesn't get it either ;) |
| 01:15.11 | Vituz | cause when I boot up I'm missing a bunch of modules apparently |
| 01:15.17 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: for mounting ntfs umask |
| 01:15.23 | PingFloyd | oh umask |
| 01:15.42 | eisen_ | Bogus8: the default should be fine. It's read only anyway. |
| 01:16.05 | Vituz | anybody? |
| 01:16.13 | Bogus8 | eisen_: default what? |
| 01:16.19 | eisen_ | the default umask |
| 01:16.31 | Bogus8 | eisen_: I'm looking to rsync it to a user directory and I want that user to own it |
| 01:16.35 | Bogus8 | recursively |
| 01:16.52 | eisen_ | ownership and permissions are seperate |
| 01:17.26 | Bogus8 | eisen_: well, it was like 500 on perms |
| 01:17.28 | Bogus8 | for root |
| 01:17.30 | Guerin | Bogus8: but you're trying to rsync it to a ntfs partition? |
| 01:17.37 | Bogus8 | so only root could read or write |
| 01:17.48 | eisen_ | due to the umask you provided maybe |
| 01:17.48 | maddash | Vituz: what's the err msg? |
| 01:17.51 | Bogus8 | Guerin: FROM an ntfs |
| 01:17.56 | Vituz | mostly just modules not loading.. |
| 01:17.58 | Guerin | oh |
| 01:18.01 | Vituz | via rhine etc.. |
| 01:18.02 | Bogus8 | eisen_: I'll remount and try again |
| 01:18.06 | Vituz | it runs but no net or anything |
| 01:18.22 | maddash | Vituz: what's your network card? |
| 01:18.25 | ericP | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.35 | Vituz | uhmm uses via rhine but forgot the actual card |
| 01:18.43 | Vituz | 0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT86C100A [Rhine] (rev 06) |
| 01:18.52 | Dembug | hmm debootstrap failed :( i hate this compaq sp750 |
| 01:18.53 | maddash | Vituz: ah. is that lspci? |
| 01:18.53 | Vituz | moving from 2.4 to 2.6 |
| 01:19.06 | Vituz | running 2.4 right now |
| 01:19.10 | Vituz | this is on sarge btw |
| 01:19.14 | maddash | Vituz: try lspci from inside 2.6? |
| 01:19.33 | Vituz | im thinking of just staying in 2.4 :P |
| 01:19.44 | Bogus8 | well, it is now 777 but it's still owned by root |
| 01:20.01 | eisen_ | what was your mount line? |
| 01:20.04 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: what is 777, the umask? |
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| 01:20.16 | Vituz | I'm sure I just missed something... musta needed to build something else call I did was apt-get install kernel-image nothing else |
| 01:20.16 | Bogus8 | anyway to fix that when sync'ing or via the mount? or do I just need to chown and chgrp it all after? |
| 01:20.24 | Vituz | theres no modules or anything I need to install? |
| 01:20.29 | eisen_ | that would work too |
| 01:20.29 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: the perms on the files moved |
| 01:20.31 | Dembug | if file descriptors are left open due to bad support ... can that stop reading of physical volumes? |
| 01:20.50 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: that means full access for owner,group, and other |
| 01:20.55 | Bogus8 | my mount is mount -t ntfs -o umask=1000 /dev/hdg1 250/ |
| 01:21.13 | eisen_ | uid=1000... |
| 01:21.17 | Vituz | gonna boot up 2.6 one sec.. |
| 01:21.40 | Bogus8 | eisen_: ok, I'll put that...s hould I swap that or add that |
| 01:21.54 | eisen_ | add that |
| 01:22.08 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: yeah, I'm just trying to get ownership... though I don't htink I want 777 just for the fact that everything would be green in dircolors |
| 01:22.13 | eisen_ | umask=1000 gives the 777 permissions. It's the complement of what you want. |
| 01:22.23 | deb_noob | what video players have software mixing for audio? |
| 01:22.34 | Bogus8 | eisen_: is there a way to not make it executable? |
| 01:22.44 | maddash | Vituz: chk /lib/modules/(name of 2.6 kernel) |
| 01:23.02 | eisen_ | 1007 probably, but you want execute on folders |
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| 01:23.20 | nsunzofma | anybody familiar w/grub boot loader? |
| 01:23.29 | abrotman | nsunzofma: just ask |
| 01:23.30 | Bogus8 | eisen_: true |
| 01:23.37 | Vituz | hmm |
| 01:23.46 | PingFloyd | the first octal digit sets suid and guid and sticky |
| 01:23.48 | Bogus8 | eisen_: but I have a find command saved somewheree that fixes dir's to x ;) |
| 01:23.48 | Vituz | bootup to the 2.6 kernel looks funky |
| 01:23.53 | Vituz | all kinds of misbehaving |
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| 01:24.03 | maddash | Vituz: are you using grub? |
| 01:24.03 | Vituz | looks like it keeps trying to load the same modules like 10 times |
| 01:24.06 | Vituz | yah |
| 01:24.06 | abrotman | maddash: for reference .. /lib/modues/$(uname -r)/ |
| 01:24.22 | maddash | abrotman: yeah, but he wasn't on th 2.6 at that point |
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| 01:24.30 | abrotman | okeedokee |
| 01:24.36 | Vituz | should I use lilo? |
| 01:24.37 | maddash | abrotman: thanks, though |
| 01:24.39 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: AH, I get octal now... 0-7 on each segment |
| 01:24.47 | maddash | Vituz: no. enable the bootlogd, then reboot the 2.6 |
| 01:24.50 | eisen_ | deb_noob: that's not dependend on the video player |
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| 01:25.18 | deb_noob | it's depended on hardware? |
| 01:25.25 | Vituz | uhmm bootlogd? :P I never used it |
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| 01:25.31 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: first octal is for what I describe a second ago, second octal sets owner permissions, third sets group, and 4th sets for others |
| 01:25.37 | deb_noob | how can i set kplayer to not adjust system volume then? |
| 01:25.40 | maddash | abrotman: actually, you could spoil your fingers some more by using "`uname [...]`" instead of the "$([...])" counterpart |
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| 01:25.49 | nsunzofma | abrotman:ok, I recently installed knoppix 5.1 (HD install) and it seems to kernel panic due to dma. I'm not able to modify menu.1st, as I can't boot from CD. Is there a means to edit the menu.1st file via grub command line? I suppose i could boot from a floppy instead. |
| 01:25.50 | PingFloyd | 4=r 2=w 1=x, add them together for what you want |
| 01:25.51 | eisen_ | deb_noob: oh, that is a different matter. |
| 01:26.09 | abrotman | nsunzofma: please ask #knoppix |
| 01:26.10 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: right-e-o |
| 01:26.19 | PingFloyd | for instance 5 would mean write plus execute |
| 01:26.20 | nsunzofma | abrotman: channel is dead |
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| 01:26.28 | nsunzofma | abrotman: nobody home |
| 01:26.30 | eisen_ | deb_noob: setting volume per application has been on my wishlist for a long time. |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | be patient .. or install debian |
| 01:26.32 | PingFloyd | erm read plus execute |
| 01:26.47 | maddash | Vituz: `sudo nano /etc/default/bootlogd` |
| 01:27.37 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: sounds like you grok now |
| 01:27.37 | deb_noob | well kde could sure use one, because kaffeine has volume bugs at 0% volume |
| 01:27.37 | Guerin | mm, i need to write a shell script to get a bunch of files and make them all nice - like |
| 01:27.37 | Vituz | yah just checked it |
| 01:27.37 | Vituz | turned it on |
| 01:27.37 | Vituz | rebooting now |
| 01:27.37 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: now umask act like sort of a filter |
| 01:27.46 | PingFloyd | think of it as for the permission you don't want |
| 01:27.57 | Toki | can someone help me with a boot error, i get the lines "bcm43xx: PHY disconnected, bcm43xx: PHY connected, bcm43xx: failed to load kernel module "some-obscure-module.fw", now it occasionally prevent me from finishing the boot sequence |
| 01:28.01 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: right.. so I should do 1007 for umask? and then uid=1000 ? |
| 01:28.07 | PingFloyd | usually it has an effect for things like making directories |
| 01:28.07 | eisen_ | deb_noob: with jack you can do this nicely but the setup is not obvious. |
| 01:28.08 | Toki | prevents* |
| 01:28.11 | PingFloyd | what they default to |
| 01:28.23 | deb_noob | is jack for kde? |
| 01:28.37 | maddash | Vituz: pastebin the bootlog |
| 01:28.46 | deb_noob | jack is the application? |
| 01:28.56 | PingFloyd | uid should be for the user you want to operate as the owner |
| 01:29.33 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: right and that is the user I want |
| 01:29.39 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: don't know about ntfs, but with fat it's often necessary in order to make up for lack of permissions in it's filesystem |
| 01:29.46 | Bogus8 | i'll give it ago and see how it goes |
| 01:29.55 | maddash | Toki: enable the bootlogd via `sudo [text-editor of choice] /etc/default/bootlogd` and reboot. then post up /var/log/boot |
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| 01:30.07 | eisen_ | deb_noob: jack is a sound daemon. It works with alsa. You can connect apps together with that. Also provides nice effects with no latency. |
| 01:30.16 | PingFloyd | your umask, would disable sticky, and enable all permission for owner,group, and other |
| 01:30.20 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: I think it is that way with ntfs because be fore I learned about umask I copied som stuff from ntfs and it is all executable |
| 01:30.23 | eisen_ | deb_noob: I used it mostly for fooling around on voip |
| 01:30.25 | PingFloyd | oops |
| 01:30.29 | PingFloyd | you said 1007 right |
| 01:30.41 | PingFloyd | in that case it gives full access to user and group, and none to other |
| 01:30.42 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: that is what eisen_ suggested |
| 01:30.54 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: it's a good default that he suggested |
| 01:31.11 | deb_noob | is it jack or jackd |
| 01:31.11 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: hmmm some of this will end up in web accessed directories |
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| 01:31.28 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: but it depends on how you want user,group, and other to have access to the object in question |
| 01:31.30 | eisen_ | deb_noob: jackd probably. Haven't used it in debian yet |
| 01:31.31 | Vituz | checking |
| 01:31.35 | maddash | how do I tell aptitude to play nice with bzip2? |
| 01:31.39 | Vituz | sorry slow system :P |
| 01:31.53 | Vituz | k6-2 450 :) |
| 01:32.04 | eisen_ | Bogus8: it's likely easier to do a chmod afterwards. |
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| 01:32.16 | deb_noob | i look into it, thanks for all the help eisen_ |
| 01:32.24 | maddash | Vituz: that's the 2.6 kernel / etch that you're booting, right? |
| 01:32.45 | eisen_ | deb_noob: it's probably overkill for your purpose though. |
| 01:32.52 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: if you want to be real heavy handed you could go 1077 which give only owner access and group and other none |
| 01:32.52 | Vituz | no sarge |
| 01:32.57 | Vituz | thought I told you that.. sorry |
| 01:33.01 | Vituz | 2.6 in sarge |
| 01:33.01 | deb_noob | i'll just use kaffeine for now |
| 01:33.07 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: read up on chmod |
| 01:33.14 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: the man page and info pages |
| 01:33.20 | maddash | Vituz: that's odd, b/c 2.6.18.3 is obscenely fast on my k6 / 450. |
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| 01:33.30 | Bogus8 | eisen_: I get the uid and gid now... just don't want +x on them right now |
| 01:33.42 | Bogus8 | I'lll do my find trick on all the directories later |
| 01:33.45 | Vituz | using kernel-image-2.6.8-3 |
| 01:33.46 | Vituz | :| |
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| 01:34.02 | eisen_ | Bogus8: understanding permissions will help you much in the future, especially if you work with a webserver later. |
| 01:34.05 | Vituz | the precompiled stuff cause I was too lazy to do it manually |
| 01:34.08 | Vituz | biting my tongue now.. |
| 01:34.22 | Bogus8 | eisen_: agreed |
| 01:34.51 | Bogus8 | eisen_: so, 1000 did 777 and 1007 did 770.. so is it like reverse switches |
| 01:35.03 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: the best way is to understand them, then you can set for exactly how you feel is best |
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| 01:35.21 | maddash | Vituz: the boot log should show up in /var/log/boot |
| 01:35.25 | eisen_ | Bogus8: yes, the umask is the complement of the resulting permissions |
| 01:35.30 | Vituz | yeh looking it up right now |
| 01:35.40 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: right, and I'm trying to gain this insight... I've done chown chmod and all sorts of that stuff before and I get it in those contexts |
| 01:35.49 | PingFloyd | in a way, you can kind of think of umask as the opposite of when you type in the octal in chmod |
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| 01:36.14 | deb_noob | amarok is not starting |
| 01:36.25 | deb_noob | or openeing |
| 01:36.26 | PingFloyd | umask is subtracting the permisson, in other words |
| 01:36.29 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: yeah, thats what I was thinking was happening... ok, I get it all now |
| 01:36.31 | deb_noob | opening* |
| 01:36.38 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: cool.. thanks |
| 01:36.47 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: np |
| 01:36.47 | Bogus8 | eisen_: thanks to you too man! |
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| 01:37.13 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: the stuff is really simple, it's just that a lot of documentation is long winded |
| 01:37.18 | eisen_ | Bogus8: 6 would be rw. I leave it to you to figure out the umask digit as an excercise ;-) |
| 01:37.34 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: long winded on explanation, and short on providing straight forward examples |
| 01:37.43 | deb_noob | brb |
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| 01:37.53 | Vituz | sending to pastebin now.. taking a lil bit of time |
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| 01:38.24 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: also, I've found some good series of articles on IBM's site |
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| 01:38.40 | Vituz | http://pastebin.com/869899 |
| 01:38.41 | PingFloyd | one of the authors has a "by example" series about a few different topics |
| 01:39.12 | Vituz | using kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 |
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| 01:41.51 | sox_ | hello all |
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| 01:42.30 | sox_ | I have a problem concerning booting on a scsi support in hard |
| 01:42.47 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd: yes, long winded sometimes you are right! |
| 01:42.55 | sox_ | can you help me ? |
| 01:43.44 | Bogus8 | PingFloyd, eisen_ : I got it now... did umask=1111 which makes it all rw across the board then I'll run a find that returns directories and chmods them to +x |
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| 01:44.32 | maddash | Vituz: judging from line 60 and a few of its friends, you probably do not have the appropriate modules in /lib/modules/linux-2.6.8/ |
| 01:44.50 | Vituz | figured as much.. |
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| 01:45.36 | Vituz | all I did was apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 like that migrate doc says... I knew it couldnt be that simple :P |
| 01:45.37 | PingFloyd | Bogus8: if I were you, I would be stringent about write access to others at least |
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| 01:46.20 | lemao | what is the preferred way to set an executable in the system path when creating a DEBIAN package? |
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| 01:46.40 | dondelelcaro | lemao: you install it into /usr/bin or /usr/sbin/ |
| 01:47.16 | lemao | dondelelcaro: you mean create a link in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin to the install bin? |
| 01:47.28 | lemao | dondelelcaro: what is the diff between /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 01:47.33 | maddash | Vituz: I don't think a simple cp from /lib/[2.4 kernel] to /lib/[2.6 kernel] would work...you might need to compile some modules yourself |
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| 01:47.45 | Vituz | hmm |
| 01:48.07 | Vituz | I might as well do the whole kernel from scratch.. |
| 01:48.07 | dondelelcaro | lemao: policy explains it, but basically, sbin is for things that are only useful for the super user or administrator, /usr/bin is for things normal users would use. |
| 01:48.09 | maddash | Vituz: I could try to help you get the network card working. on the 2.6, what does `ifconfig -l` give? |
| 01:48.15 | Vituz | any down side to building kernel from scratch? |
| 01:48.26 | Vituz | just gives me local loopback |
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| 01:48.55 | lemao | dondelelcaro: I see. makes sense. For a moment I was wondering whether the /etc/default was the right place to set a path, but I think it is only used for daemon scripts in init.d, right? |
| 01:49.26 | abrotman | probably /etc/profile |
| 01:49.28 | dondelelcaro | lemao: that's only used for specific scripts. |
| 01:49.34 | dondelelcaro | and no, packages should not munge with /etc/profile either |
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| 01:49.43 | Vituz | dont suppose apt-get install kernel-headers-2.6.8-3 would fix the problem eh :) |
| 01:49.44 | dondelelcaro | (although, that would be the place to set a systemwide default) |
| 01:50.04 | lemao | dondelelcaro: I am creating a maven2 DEBIAN package since I havent found any on the web. Do you know where I could contribute the package? |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | !tell lemao about mentors |
| 01:50.34 | dondelelcaro | Vituz: your problem isn't that the module doesn't exists, it's that the module fails to load because there's no such device. |
| 01:50.42 | lemao | abrotman: sorry, I didnt parse it... |
| 01:50.52 | lemao | what is mentors |
| 01:50.54 | abrotman | lemao: the dpkg bot should have told you something |
| 01:51.04 | dondelelcaro | Vituz: it either doesn't support your card, or your card is broken. [probably the former] |
| 01:51.30 | Vituz | it works in 2.4 |
| 01:51.36 | abrotman | lemao: in a /msg |
| 01:51.54 | Vituz | after apt-get install 2.6 and booting into 2.6 thats when the errors come up |
| 01:51.57 | Vituz | the card is working.. |
| 01:52.00 | Vituz | the card is there... |
| 01:52.05 | Vituz | and those are the right modules :) |
| 01:52.07 | maddash | Vituz: you could build the kernel from scratch, though I would suggest doing that on your 450...it takes about 3 hrs... |
| 01:52.13 | lemao | abrotman: sorry, I didnt see any bot messages. |
| 01:52.22 | Vituz | yah I know.. :| |
| 01:52.34 | Vituz | which is why I've been trying to do it using the binaries.. |
| 01:52.38 | dondelelcaro | Vituz: yes, and for whatever reason they appear not to support your card. You can try a more recent kernel, or you can switch back to 2.4 |
| 01:52.42 | Vituz | dont know about 3 hours though :) |
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| 01:52.43 | maddash | Vituz: sorry...the correct cmd from before was `ifconfig -a` |
| 01:52.53 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 01:52.53 | dpkg | i heard mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 01:53.16 | abrotman | lemao: try the last URL |
| 01:53.23 | Vituz | yah well just lo came up anyway :P |
| 01:53.30 | lemao | I see. sorry, I didnt realize it was off topic... |
| 01:53.36 | abrotman | lemao: it's not .. |
| 01:53.36 | slept | hello, i got a bit confused i installed some usb camera stuff and now dmesg gives me sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 BIOS EDD facility v0.16 2004-Jun-25, 1 devices found - with google i just found a lot of people having problems with it .... how can I find out a bit more about EDD and what it is good for and how it is related to usb webcams ? |
| 01:53.54 | Vituz | I'll probably end up giving in and building the kernel myself :| |
| 01:54.01 | Vituz | I'm just so lazy |
| 01:54.10 | Vituz | gonna try to build the headers first though see where that gets me |
| 01:54.26 | abrotman | lemao: the last URL is a place where people can ask a DD to sponsor their packages |
| 01:55.19 | lemao | abrotman: I see. I will follow up with them then... thanks a million |
| 01:55.37 | abrotman | isn't maven an applicatoin server ? |
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| 01:56.48 | Vituz | hmm |
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| 01:57.24 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
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| 01:59.36 | Vituz | # |
| 01:59.36 | Vituz | Sun Jan 28 15:29:01 2007: modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting pciehp (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/pci/hotplug/pciehp.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 01:59.41 | Vituz | Im thinking thats my problem right there.. |
| 02:00.01 | Vituz | pci isn't even being loaded :| |
| 02:00.18 | Vituz | but operation not permitted? |
| 02:00.51 | Vituz | nm me I'll go back to my hole :P |
| 02:01.08 | deb_noob | I edited fstab and restarted, but my hard drive is not mounted |
| 02:01.10 | deb_noob | can anyone help me? |
| 02:01.25 | sparr | how can i make my right Alt key behave like (Right) Alt instead of like meta/ae/whatever? |
| 02:01.56 | deb_noob | this is the line I added |
| 02:01.57 | deb_noob | /dev/sdb1 /media/Smith ext3 rw,noauto,user,sync 0 0 |
| 02:02.24 | eisen_ | deb_noob: "noauto", that's why |
| 02:02.31 | deb_noob | remove that line? |
| 02:02.35 | deb_noob | or switch it to auto? |
| 02:02.47 | eisen_ | remove the "noauto" yes |
| 02:02.59 | deb_noob | reboot or logout? |
| 02:03.13 | eisen_ | you can just mount /media/Smith anytime |
| 02:03.35 | deb_noob | so just type mount /media/Smith in terminal? |
| 02:03.41 | eisen_ | yes |
| 02:04.05 | eisen_ | next time it will mount automatically without the noauto option. |
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| 02:08.08 | maddash | sparr use xmodmap. |
| 02:09.14 | raf256 | debian contains bugs which where fixed by upstream in 2004... what the fuck? |
| 02:09.52 | sparr | raf256: whats that? youre volunteering to take over as maintainer of the package, you say? |
| 02:10.05 | raf256 | sparr: kopete seem to be maintained |
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| 02:11.03 | eisen_ | stable does not necessarily mean bugfree |
| 02:12.07 | Guerin | mm, how do I grab everything between STRING1 and STRING2, discarding the rest of a textfile |
| 02:12.20 | Guerin | when the content spans an arbitrary number of lines, etc. |
| 02:12.24 | karsten | Guerin: by line, or w/in a line? |
| 02:12.37 | Guerin | karsten: over many lines |
| 02:12.38 | karsten | Guerin: sed -ne '/STRING1/,/STRING2/p' |
| 02:12.46 | Guerin | ooh, , |
| 02:13.02 | raf256 | eisen_: testing |
| 02:13.16 | raf256 | why debian testing kopete have bugs which where fixed YEARS AGO? |
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| 02:13.28 | raf256 | hello? all devels in hibernation |
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| 02:13.34 | slava | which package has tunctl? |
| 02:13.41 | karsten | !tell slava about search |
| 02:13.48 | slava | thanks |
| 02:14.02 | slava | uml-utilities |
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| 02:15.03 | karsten | raf256: If you're concerned, check BTS / file a bug / chat on debian-devel list. |
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| 02:15.25 | raf256 | karsten: I filed a bug and gaved URL to upstream info (bugs.kde) |
| 02:15.34 | karsten | raf256: OK. |
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| 02:16.32 | maddash | what bug are we talking about? |
| 02:16.52 | raf256 | maddash: meany |
| 02:16.52 | Draconicus | I'm trying to use gparted to create a fat32 partition on this USB hard drive, but it will only let me create ext2, ext3, swap, or reiserfs. Does anyone know why? Do I need some other libs for parted or something? |
| 02:16.59 | raf256 | maddash: vCard is not editable |
| 02:17.18 | raf256 | maddash: encrypted message forgets to escape html characters |
| 02:17.33 | eisen_ | Draconicus: dosfstools |
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| 02:17.59 | maddash | raf256: ouch. |
| 02:18.06 | Draconicus | eisen_: Thankies. |
| 02:18.32 | Guerin | karsten: thank you. |
| 02:18.43 | karsten | Draconicus: Seems to me the package could recommends dosfstools but doesn't. |
| 02:18.45 | karsten | Guerin: NP. |
| 02:19.01 | Draconicus | karsten: Hmm.. Might want to do something about that in the future. |
| 02:19.10 | karsten | Draconicus: wishlist bug |
| 02:19.15 | Draconicus | Hm. |
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| 02:19.29 | Draconicus | If I wasn't physically and mentally sick right now I'd do that. :P |
| 02:19.30 | Guerin | karsten: i'm automating the download and conversion to text of several hundred very ugly HTML files :) |
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| 02:22.28 | gnat_x | hi folks. i just recieved a Creative media player thing as a gift. a bit of googling turned gnomad2 as a package that is said to be able to sync files to the device. i installed the repsoitory version of the gnomad2 app, and fired it up, both as myself and root both return the error "No jukeboxes found on USB bus" Was wondering if anyone had experience or insight to lend. |
| 02:23.36 | gnat_x | i should add that it is detected in lsusb and given an address (dmesg|tail) |
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| 02:24.53 | raf256 | maddash: do you use jabber a lot? |
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| 02:25.31 | maddash | raf256: por que? |
| 02:26.11 | muhoo | bold text is unreadable on my etch system, but it looks fine on my sarge system. i'm obviously missing a font. but how can i find out which one? |
| 02:26.16 | muhoo | http://www.restivo.org/misc/unreadable-font.png sample here |
| 02:26.56 | raf256 | maddash: well nothing I just wanted to have more linux dudes online ;) my JID is raf256@jabber.cc |
| 02:27.38 | maddash | raf256: lostirc. |
| 02:27.39 | litage | to delete all files in a given dir [and subdirs], which of these is better? find . -type f | xargs rm -r or find . -type f -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 02:30.04 | eisen_ | depends, xargs should be faster but beware of filenames with spaces. |
| 02:30.24 | dondelelcaro | find . -type f -print0|xargs -0|rm -f; is best. |
| 02:30.31 | dondelelcaro | s/0|/0 / |
| 02:30.58 | dondelelcaro | (specifying the -r for files is nonsensical) |
| 02:31.08 | gnat_x | does anyone know what repository might have libmtp? aptitude search and my iceweasel deb search aren't turning anything up. |
| 02:31.24 | dondelelcaro | !+find libmtp |
| 02:31.25 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:31.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libmtp' returned no results. |
| 02:31.51 | dondelelcaro | it's not in Debian. Try google. |
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| 02:32.07 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, not in i386 Debian) |
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| 02:32.50 | maddash | why not just rm -r? |
| 02:32.59 | adrakoa | hi |
| 02:33.15 | raf256 | maddash: lostirc? |
| 02:33.16 | dondelelcaro | maddash: if you want to delete files, not directories |
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| 02:34.33 | maddash | raf256: yes, it's quite minimal |
| 02:34.43 | raf256 | maddash: I dont know what do you mean =) |
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| 02:35.11 | maddash | dondelelcaro: thanks. should be useful in the future. |
| 02:35.30 | adrakoa | xpenguins is a excelent tool :) |
| 02:35.42 | maddash | raf256: minimal, ie, it's not console-based, but it doesn't chew up 20M of physmem like xchat |
| 02:36.25 | adrakoa | xpenguins -t Bill |
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| 02:38.40 | criminy | how can I, on the debian testing installation cd, disable loading of a module? |
| 02:39.07 | litage | why would Debian's ``find'' command not have -time while Fedora's does? |
| 02:39.16 | criminy | It's aic7xxx, I tried aic7xxx.aic7xxx=no_probe like it said in the menu |
| 02:39.50 | maddash | criminy: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 02:40.38 | twobitsp1ite | litage: find has -amin -atime -cmin -ctime -mmin and -mtime as well |
| 02:40.40 | deadcat | i am playing poker (powerkth) all i do it "all in" hahahha |
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| 02:40.41 | criminy | I meant on the kernel command line. I have no debian system to blacklist modules with |
| 02:41.09 | litage | twobitsp1ite: yup, i know. but i'm asking specifically about -time |
| 02:42.33 | twobitsp1ite | litage: http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?find |
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| 02:43.05 | twobitsp1ite | litage: sounds like redhat hacked up the find command? |
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| 02:44.23 | twobitsp1ite | litage: the standard gnu find doesn't have a -time... http://www.gnu.org/software/findutils/manual/html_node/find_html/Age-Ranges.html#Age-Ranges |
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| 02:44.41 | maddash | criminy: this is #debian... |
| 02:45.24 | twobitsprite | maddash: I think he's asking about the debian install cd |
| 02:45.35 | litage | twobitsprite: yeah i found the standard GNU one and noticed that |
| 02:45.41 | Guerin | criminy: the kernel doesn't load modules; either the initrd or userspace tools do |
| 02:45.52 | twobitsprite | yeah... it's redhat specific, you should be asking redhat why the mess everything up |
| 02:46.04 | roue | hola |
| 02:46.24 | Guerin | you can't blacklist modules per se, in the installer, but by choosing `expert' you can get a good deal of control over them |
| 02:46.32 | roue | I'm running sarge with a self compiled 2.6.19.2 kernel. anyone know what /dev/.static is for? seems odd. |
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| 02:46.57 | AWOSLappy | Hello. |
| 02:47.22 | twobitsprite | AWOSLappy: is the supposed to be a play on word with AWOL? |
| 02:47.22 | litage | twobitsprite: did you find -time listed on that unixhelp.ed.ac.uk page? |
| 02:47.23 | AWOSLappy | Does Debian ANYTHING support Broadcom 4312 Air Force One 54g wireless cards? |
| 02:47.38 | twobitsprite | litage: no |
| 02:47.39 | litage | twobitsprite: hrmmz |
| 02:47.49 | AWOSLappy | twobitsprite no, AWOS is the name of my project. #AWOS . AndreW Operating System. |
| 02:48.01 | twobitsprite | AWOSLappy: interesting... |
| 02:48.09 | Supaplex | YAOS YetAnother .. ;) |
| 02:48.16 | AWOSLappy | hehe |
| 02:48.28 | EnsignRedshirt | Should formatting a floppy disk be as simple as 'sudo fdformat /dev/fd0'? The floppy drive light up and makes noise when I do this, but I get this error: Could not determine current format type: No such device |
| 02:48.37 | twobitsprite | AWOSLappy: does it have a website? |
| 02:48.46 | AWOSLappy | Does Debian ANYTHING (meaning Sarge/Etch/whatever) support Broadcom 4312 Air Force One 54g wireless cards, like my Linksys WPC54G v3? |
| 02:48.56 | maddash | Guerin: i've never tried the expert install before. does it allow you to install your own compiled of the debian kernel? |
| 02:48.59 | gnat_x | does mentors.debian.net offer an apt repository? |
| 02:49.05 | AWOSLappy | twobitsprite: yes, http://awos.sf.net and an IRC channel here on Freenode... #AWOS |
| 02:49.23 | gnat_x | i would like to add a lib that i know to be there and not in debian (yet_ |
| 02:49.33 | litage | AWOSLappy: it's not a matter of whether or not Debian supports it. it's whether or not your kernel version does |
| 02:49.35 | twobitsprite | AWOSLappy: heh, not much there at the site :P |
| 02:49.57 | Draconicus | hmm.. |
| 02:50.02 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 02:50.02 | dpkg | well, bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 02:50.15 | twobitsprite | AWOSLappy: this might be a good place to start http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/Hardware_Support/ |
| 02:50.33 | abrotman | however .. i think the air force one is unsupported .. try asking #wireless |
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| 02:51.55 | Draconicus | Should a copy of a 2.3GB rar file to a USB hard drive formatted with fat32 take more than 15 minutes? |
| 02:51.55 | Supaplex | and be sure to ask $hardware-vendor |
| 02:52.26 | Supaplex | Draconicus: depends. my usb2 to sata convertor can pump put 21mb/s - but I've seen lots slower. |
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| 02:55.09 | Draconicus | Mm... I'm gonna do it graphically so I can see the progress. |
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| 02:55.36 | EnsignRedshirt | I don't understand the 'device' option in 'man fdformat |
| 02:55.53 | EnsignRedshirt | What is, for example, /dev/fd0H1440? |
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| 02:56.19 | Supaplex | what's a floppy disk? |
| 02:56.29 | Supaplex | DEAD :-x heh |
| 02:56.35 | maddash | huh? |
| 02:57.01 | h3xis | maddash <3 |
| 02:57.06 | maddash | EnsignRedshirt: the floppy drive has a device name, ie, it has a name in /dev/ |
| 02:57.21 | maddash | EnsignRedshirt: try `ls /dev/fd*` |
| 02:57.31 | maddash | h3xis: ! |
| 02:58.16 | EnsignRedshirt | maddash: Right, and it is /dev/fd0. But 'man fdformat' lists things like /dev/fd0H1440, /dev/fd0h720, etc. |
| 02:59.42 | maddash | EnsignRedshirt: interesting. have you tried `fdformat /dev/fd0`? |
| 03:00.16 | EnsignRedshirt | maddash: Yes, and I get this error: Could not determine current format type: No such device |
| 03:01.03 | EnsignRedshirt | maddash: But I'm pretty sure it's fd0, because the drive light came on and it made some noise when I gave the fdformat command. |
| 03:01.33 | EnsignRedshirt | maddash: I'm looking into setfdprm now... |
| 03:02.06 | Supaplex | EnsignRedshirt: well, 720k would be fd0h720 right? |
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| 03:02.43 | EnsignRedshirt | Supaplex: That *seems* reasonable... |
| 03:03.57 | EnsignRedshirt | Supaplex: And I am *guessing* that fd0H1440 is 1.4meg, but if I try to use fdformat as suggested by the man page, I get this error: /dev/fd0H1440: No such file or directory |
| 03:04.27 | Dembug | jello: definately a ram issue there. |
| 03:04.35 | Dembug | damn, pc800 rambus dimms are so expensive! |
| 03:04.41 | Dembug | :-( |
| 03:04.43 | Supaplex | EnsignRedshirt: looks like bug 973, wth... humm |
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| 03:05.18 | Supaplex | nm that. |
| 03:05.40 | Supaplex | Dembug: rid yourself of that crap, and get something current for 1/5 the price. |
| 03:06.13 | Supaplex | EnsignRedshirt: are you just trying to toss a filesystem on it? |
| 03:06.46 | Supaplex | http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/bootdisk.html |
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| 03:07.00 | EnsignRedshirt | Supaplex: I'm trying to follow some instructions for making a boot disk image for Deli Linux. |
| 03:07.09 | Yoques | !es |
| 03:07.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:07.31 | maddash | way to go, dpkg. |
| 03:08.05 | Supaplex | dpkg: mr know it all! ;) |
| 03:08.10 | Snake-Eyes | hmm |
| 03:08.13 | Snake-Eyes | !en |
| 03:08.13 | dpkg | english |
| 03:08.21 | Snake-Eyes | damn |
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| 03:08.42 | Supaplex | Snake-Eyes: were you expecting a ... translation? |
| 03:08.52 | guk | how would I list the amount of files in a dir ... like when I go ls how would I get it to tell me how many files are there ? |
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| 03:09.10 | Snake-Eyes | Supaplex, nah, more of a smart alec answer |
| 03:09.13 | EnsignRedshirt | Supaplex: Thanks for the link, but it still looks like fdformat tries to find an actual device called /dev/fd0u1440, and there isn't one. |
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| 03:09.40 | Guerin | guk: ls -l |
| 03:09.58 | thug | its this entry right INSERT INTO user (Host, User, Password) VALUES ('localhost','user',password('postfix')); |
| 03:10.03 | thug | ? |
| 03:10.04 | maddash | lol Guerin |
| 03:10.06 | guk | that tells me permissions and stuff ... but I want a count of the amount of files in the directory |
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| 03:10.09 | guk | ;) |
| 03:10.17 | Guerin | guk: did you read the output? |
| 03:10.17 | maddash | guk: ls -l [...] |grep total |
| 03:10.19 | Supaplex | mother%*@$(input focus |
| 03:10.22 | guk | ah |
| 03:10.44 | EnsignRedshirt | Supaplex: I'm searching at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, and it does not find bug 973. Is that number correct? |
| 03:10.47 | guk | awsome ... it's at the top |
| 03:10.48 | Guerin | you could also use wc -l, but this can cause off-by-one errors |
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| 03:10.53 | guk | heh thanks :) |
| 03:10.55 | spldart | I grabbed the torrents for 386 stable dvd from debian website... disc 2 downloads completely but disc 1 has been failing a hash check and re-downloading piece 2061 for 3 days now... bittornado on debian stable |
| 03:11.00 | guk | sorry bout that ... thanks guys :) |
| 03:11.03 | Supaplex | EnsignRedshirt: I saw it on a mailing list. might be a fluke. *shrug* |
| 03:11.06 | spldart | Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 03:11.07 | drako | how I can compile the cpufreq module? |
| 03:11.08 | Guerin | EnsignRedshirt: very unlikely, since bug numbers are currently 6 digitds |
| 03:11.10 | maddash | guk: anytime |
| 03:11.23 | EnsignRedshirt | Guerin: The number did seem awfully small... |
| 03:11.28 | maddash | Guerin: wc -l? how? wc -l ./ does nada. |
| 03:11.39 | Guerin | maddash: ls |wc -l |
| 03:11.45 | Yoques | Hi. Somebody knows how can I watch videos in Totem? |
| 03:11.50 | Yoques | *DVD's |
| 03:12.03 | Supaplex | and totem is? |
| 03:12.13 | Yoques | a reproducer video |
| 03:12.17 | h3xis | Yoques, do you have libdvdcss installed? |
| 03:12.20 | maddash | Guerin: oh. LOL. count \n 's ? |
| 03:12.30 | Guerin | maddash: why not? |
| 03:12.40 | Guerin | just watch out for the o-b-os |
| 03:12.47 | maddash | Guerin: I guess... |
| 03:12.49 | Yoques | y put apt-get install libdvdcss but it don't install nothing |
| 03:13.10 | Draconicus | Supaplex: Would you believe it's taking half an hour? |
| 03:13.13 | maddash | Yoques: chk your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:13.38 | Yoques | what I have to change in sources? |
| 03:13.49 | Supaplex | Draconicus: yikes. :-p |
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| 03:13.53 | Yoques | someone idea? Someone direction? |
| 03:14.41 | Supaplex | !any idea |
| 03:14.41 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little vegemite, and a handful of rabid dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 03:15.55 | Roey | !any more witty comments |
| 03:16.02 | liable | Yoques: there is a script in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread |
| 03:16.03 | Roey | hi all |
| 03:16.20 | liable | that will download it, or get it from debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:16.55 | maddash | Yoques: gah. libdvdcss is not a package. |
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| 03:17.26 | Yoques | ... |
| 03:17.32 | Yoques | english is too hard for me |
| 03:17.46 | Yoques | can you explain with simplicity, please? |
| 03:17.54 | Dembug | thats too bad :> |
| 03:18.31 | Dembug | Yoques: Maybe try in a channel that is more suited to your language requirements? |
| 03:18.45 | Supaplex | parsing error, brain meltdown in 10 seconds |
| 03:18.48 | spldart | http://www.debianadmin.com/install-libdvdcss-and-w32-video-codecs-in-debian-and-ubuntu.html#more-85 |
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| 03:18.58 | Dembug | heh |
| 03:19.06 | Dembug | i installed ntpd the other day.. |
| 03:19.12 | Dembug | made my laptop scream and claim the cpu failed |
| 03:19.16 | Dembug | wasnt that funny actually |
| 03:19.17 | Dembug | :> |
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| 03:19.31 | Dembug | actually no, it was hillarious |
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| 03:20.33 | liable | why doesnt libdvdread have the install script anymore?? |
| 03:20.48 | liable | Yoques: go visit debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:21.46 | Yoques | OK |
| 03:21.47 | Yoques | ... |
| 03:22.01 | Dembug | sigh |
| 03:22.08 | Dembug | !any idea |
| 03:22.08 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of condoms, a little cod liver oil, and a handful of sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 03:22.28 | Dembug | ahh |
| 03:22.29 | Dembug | i love dpkg |
| 03:22.59 | spldart | KGB and PETA |
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| 03:23.11 | maddash | LOL @ Dembug |
| 03:23.11 | Dembug | LOL |
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| 03:23.23 | Dembug | ;< sorry couldn't resist |
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| 03:33.21 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 03:33.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:33.44 | maddash | LOL |
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| 03:33.51 | maddash | try aptitude moo |
| 03:33.51 | Dembug | !moo |
| 03:33.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:34.21 | maddash | Dembug: be frugal when abusing dpkg |
| 03:34.23 | Dembug | Etch seems to be disabling ssh by default |
| 03:34.26 | Dembug | sorry ;< |
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| 03:35.19 | abrotman | did you install openssh-server ? |
| 03:35.27 | niru | hello abortman and all |
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| 03:35.46 | Dembug | abrotman: nope fella, im used to installing sarge with it preinstalled. |
| 03:35.49 | niru | we had our public ip that we used to give for url |
| 03:35.50 | Guerin | abort! abort! |
| 03:35.56 | niru | now we got a dns name |
| 03:35.58 | snerfu | that was kind of odd running ntpdate killed my xsession |
| 03:36.01 | abrotman | it's not preinstalled with sarge either |
| 03:36.05 | niru | how can I configure it or setup that |
| 03:36.11 | niru | could naybody help me |
| 03:36.14 | Dembug | abrotman it is ;< |
| 03:36.30 | EnsignRedshirt | Supaplex, maddash: I had to run MAKEFLOPPIES (no, I'm not shouting, that's the command) to create /dev/fd0u1440, etc. |
| 03:36.32 | Guerin | niru: talk to your registrar' |
| 03:36.33 | Dembug | ssh remote login works with sarge basem but not etch.. |
| 03:36.46 | abrotman | is not |
| 03:37.00 | maddash | EnsignRedshirt: nice. I'll remember that. |
| 03:37.01 | niru | Guerin:isnt there any document for that available |
| 03:37.08 | Dembug | abrotman, ;/ |
| 03:37.20 | stoned | snerfu: its because of this one thing |
| 03:37.24 | snerfu | are you running dns on your webserver niru? |
| 03:37.33 | stoned | I can't quite remember, run ntpdate before starting X |
| 03:37.34 | Dembug | i use the netboot sarge from dec 06, and have used netboot for sarge before that i have NEVER had to install opensshd or add to init.d myself. |
| 03:37.34 | maddash | how come #debian doesn't suffer as many attacks as #ubuntu? |
| 03:37.34 | snerfu | bind? |
| 03:37.37 | Guerin | niru: no. You have a name, now you get your registrar to host dns for it, and it works |
| 03:37.42 | Dembug | etch is clearly different somehow :< |
| 03:37.43 | Guerin | niru: nothign to do with debian |
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| 03:37.53 | Dembug | anyway alll fixed dude, thanks! |
| 03:37.57 | Guerin | snerfu: yeah, because he has ONE domain name and he's going to run a named for it |
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| 03:38.35 | niru | Guerin,snerfu:the registrar has registered that name |
| 03:38.58 | niru | Guerin,snerfu:no I am not running the dns on my webserver |
| 03:39.10 | snerfu | if the register doesn |
| 03:39.13 | snerfu | woops |
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| 03:39.33 | EnsignRedshirt | Arghhh... now I can run the fdformat command, but when verifying I get: Read: : Input/output error Problem reading cylinder 0, expected 18432, read -1 |
| 03:40.12 | snerfu | if the registrar doesn't offer to run dns for your domain, google bind config and set that up and point the dns servers to your bind server. |
| 03:40.15 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: what was the command you used and what is the media? |
| 03:40.33 | Dembug | slawmaster |
| 03:40.39 | Dembug | check for lm-sensors - :D |
| 03:40.50 | Dembug | I just had a thought, thats probably what was causing the alarm, |
| 03:41.05 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: Media is 3.5in HD floppy. The command was: fdformat /dev/fd0u1440 |
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| 03:42.05 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: looks right to me, did you try a different floppy? |
| 03:42.17 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: I've tried two so far. |
| 03:42.22 | slawmaster | Dembug: Will do, thanks very much |
| 03:42.53 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: makes me wonder if there is problem with your drive |
| 03:43.41 | Dembug | np slawmaster: was just thinking it might explain for the autoshutdown procedure too :D |
| 03:43.45 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: That could be. I haven't tried using it for, oh, let's see, 4 or 5 years :) |
| 03:43.47 | Dembug | and goodluck ;-) |
| 03:44.00 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: do you have a spare you can test with? |
| 03:44.57 | Supaplex | EnsignRedshirt: wierd :) |
| 03:45.31 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: another thing you can try is using a more newbie friendly one like gnome has, just to rule out any possibility of brain fart, for shits and giggles |
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| 03:46.53 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: Hey, look at that: Applications -> System Tools -> Floppy Formatter. How long has that been there? :) |
| 03:47.26 | Supaplex | EnsignRedshirt: the WHOLE time hahaha. |
| 03:47.39 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: as long as I can remember :) |
| 03:48.03 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: give that one a shot to see what happens |
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| 03:49.28 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: After some noise from the drive, an error window pops up: Could not determine current floppy geometry. |
| 03:49.53 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: I left the device as /dev/fd0 |
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| 03:50.30 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: that's like the equivilent as it not being able to work out /dev/fd1H1440 for instance |
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| 03:52.59 | kj092589 | add me at yahoo dont4getme25 |
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| 03:53.16 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:53.37 | kj092589 | anybody there? |
| 03:53.44 | Supaplex | FOAD |
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| 03:54.43 | zorton | In the land of "experimental" therein lies a package I wish to use, how should I travel this road? |
| 03:55.29 | EnsignRedshirt | Verily, with care and trepidation, for the path you seek is fraught with peril. |
| 03:55.38 | markybob | !experimental |
| 03:55.39 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 03:55.41 | cast | i'd grab the src pkg personally |
| 03:56.09 | zorton | I shall fight this dragon, I thank the great sages of #Debian for their advice |
| 03:56.11 | abrotman | zorton: they sometimes don't work very well |
| 03:56.19 | abrotman | or at all :) |
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| 03:56.46 | StevegPent3 | Hey |
| 03:56.54 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: did you try superformat? |
| 03:57.06 | Supaplex | hay's for livestock, we'll feed you later. |
| 03:57.11 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: Nope. |
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| 03:57.31 | PingFloyd | EnsignRedshirt: according the fdutils faq fdformat is obsolete and has been replace by superformat |
| 03:57.43 | cast | zorton: so what's the pkg anyway? |
| 03:57.45 | StevegPent3 | hows everyone? |
| 03:57.50 | black_13_ | how do view tiff images embedded in a web page? |
| 03:58.55 | zorton | cast: KeePassX |
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| 03:59.20 | Roey | EnsignRedshirt: hahahahahahaha |
| 03:59.27 | Roey | EnsignRedshirt: nice nick |
| 03:59.46 | EnsignRedshirt | Roey: ;) |
| 03:59.58 | StevegPent3 | I have a question, i am using a athlon xp 2400+ in my desktop now, what kernel is best to use, one marked i686 or k7? |
| 04:00.06 | cast | k7 |
| 04:00.07 | Roey | =) |
| 04:00.18 | stew | StevegPent3: k7 |
| 04:00.43 | StevegPent3 | Will it offer any improvement over the default kernel? |
| 04:00.54 | abrotman | .525% |
| 04:01.00 | stew | StevegPent3: it will be very marginally faster |
| 04:01.25 | cast | i wish people would benchmark these things |
| 04:01.31 | abrotman | cast: go for it :) |
| 04:01.33 | cast | i got 50% improvements with ifc |
| 04:01.35 | zorton | I fear it hasn't even made it to the Packages.gz for experimental yet |
| 04:01.40 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: I tried 'superformat /dev/fd0 hd', and that gives me: Fatal error while measuring raw capacity |
| 04:01.42 | cast | [with a computationally heavy program] |
| 04:01.51 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd: followed by some numbers. |
| 04:01.55 | StevegPent3 | Yea, it will be a Athlon Xp 2400+ on a MSI KT6V when that mobo arrives in the mail |
| 04:02.04 | StevegPent3 | i fried the AGP on the KT4V with a overheating vid card |
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| 04:02.46 | cast | abrotman: its a tricky thing, to benchmark things then present them to other people without them going "OH BUT YOU DIDNT DO XYZ", they're right sometimes - unfortunately |
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| 04:03.17 | abrotman | cast: that's fine .. then they can make their own |
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| 04:04.04 | cast | that said, i would have expected a gentoo user to try and have proved there was merit to the hours many of them spend looking for something slightly faster |
| 04:04.10 | EnsignRedshirt | PingFloyd, Supaplex, maddash: Thanks for your suggestions and help. I've had enough fun for tonight. |
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| 04:05.23 | xerophyte | how does this domain name sounds www.sorugames.com for online flash games ? |
| 04:05.35 | StevegPent3 | anybody here use debian on a VIA KT600 chipset? |
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| 04:06.14 | abrotman | ask your real question |
| 04:06.29 | abrotman | xerophyte: flashsucksbutiwanttoplay.com ? |
| 04:06.55 | xerophyte | abrotman, nice name .. ;) |
| 04:07.01 | abrotman | truth hurts :) |
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| 04:11.35 | piper69 | i keep getting eth1_rena when i do ifconfig now my internet is not working |
| 04:12.28 | Supaplex | which make/model/bus/driver for the card? |
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| 04:13.15 | piper69 | Supaplex Rico Co Ltd RL5c475 |
| 04:13.33 | Supaplex | I know there's two usb ports on this motherboard, but there's nothing in lspci to suggest what my usb host controller is... humm |
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| 04:18.36 | Supaplex | humm |
| 04:19.08 | Rusty1 | Supaplex: lsusb -v any help? |
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| 04:24.12 | Supaplex | just waiting for some filesystems to fsck. thing hasn't been checked in ages :p |
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| 04:43.01 | cast | hmm, can't seem to get wake on lan to work with this asus nforce 2 integrated nic, any ideas? |
| 04:43.01 | LoneWlf | what was that command again for listing all of the packages installed on a debian box? |
| 04:43.09 | LoneWlf | I can't seem to remember it for the life of me |
| 04:43.19 | LoneWlf | aptitude something or apt-get something |
| 04:43.25 | abrotman | !installed |
| 04:43.25 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 04:43.31 | cast | all ive done is turned on waking from pci, was the only thing in the bios that mentions wol, then used wakeonlan |
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| 04:44.06 | LoneWlf | abrotman : danka |
| 04:44.07 | Van-SUPERBUSY | what is the comand to know Disk space trough shell again? |
| 04:44.12 | cast | df -h |
| 04:44.12 | abrotman | df |
| 04:44.15 | Van-SUPERBUSY | thanks |
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| 04:44.39 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 04:44.58 | lkthomas | does debian postfix binary contain quota patch ? |
| 04:45.11 | abrotman | it has a changelog |
| 04:45.23 | dondelelcaro | which is easily viewable from packages.debian.org/postfix |
| 04:45.51 | abrotman | and /usr/share/doc/postfix/ |
| 04:45.59 | dondelelcaro | (if you've got it installed)) |
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| 04:47.47 | johnjacky | Hi guys.. Can someone help me in telling what could be the reasons a file of size 12K in one server when copied to another server shows 16K and still with same contents ? |
| 04:47.57 | johnjacky | I thought of difference in block size, and used the command blockdev --getbsz and --getss for sector size and they are the same |
| 04:48.02 | johnjacky | md5sum matches |
| 04:48.17 | johnjacky | It is some difference in filesystem settings for sure..it is ext3 |
| 04:48.34 | peterS | johnjacky: how are you determining file size? 'ls -l' should show the same size for both files |
| 04:48.37 | johnjacky | on both. Can someone help in identifying the difference ? |
| 04:48.58 | johnjacky | yes, ls -lSh does show correct size. But du -sh differs |
| 04:49.17 | johnjacky | with around 100000 files, it affects the quota |
| 04:49.36 | peterS | johnjacky: oh, du doesn't show file size, du shows disk usage. as you can see, the two aren't the same. what size does 'ls -l' report? (is it greater or less than 12k?) |
| 04:49.59 | johnjacky | it is exactly same peterS |
| 04:50.16 | peterS | johnjacky: what size does 'ls -l' report? |
| 04:51.03 | johnjacky | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12667 Jan 28 20:37 /home/atuti/www/terms.htm |
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| 04:51.32 | peterS | johnjacky: as you can see, that is greater than 12kB (12288). so you'd expect it to take 16kB on disk. |
| 04:52.08 | peterS | johnjacky: the reason it only takes 12kB on one filesystem is that this file is "sparse". you can use 'cp --sparse=always' to copy it as a sparse file |
| 04:52.20 | johnjacky | But why is this difference |
| 04:52.24 | d0uglas | does the devel businesscard/netinstall iso installer detect and use wifi? ... if i'm lucky, that is? no encryption, basic setup, linux-friendly (i think) wifi adapter |
| 04:52.34 | johnjacky | ls -l /home/atuti/www/terms.htm |
| 04:52.34 | johnjacky | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12667 Jan 28 20:37 /home/atuti/www/terms.htm |
| 04:52.48 | johnjacky | du -sh /home/atuti/www/terms.htm |
| 04:52.48 | johnjacky | 16K /home/atuti/www/terms.htm |
| 04:52.53 | johnjacky | that is on one server |
| 04:52.58 | johnjacky | second server shows as below |
| 04:53.23 | johnjacky | ls -l /home/roadsi/www/terms.htm |
| 04:53.23 | johnjacky | -rw-r--r-- 1 roadsi roadsi 12667 Oct 19 13:32 /home/roadsi/www/terms.htm |
| 04:53.24 | d0uglas | For a netinstall do i need to be plugged in or can debian's netinstaller do wifi? |
| 04:53.33 | johnjacky | du -sh /home/roadsi/www/terms.htm |
| 04:53.33 | johnjacky | 20K /home/roadsi/www/terms.htm |
| 04:53.45 | peterS | johnjacky: sparse files sometimes take less space than the whole size of the file indicates. 12667 bytes rounds to 16kB, but if one block is full of nothing but 0 bytes, it is _not stored_ in a sparse file. thus you get a file of 12kB even though the file contents are longer than that |
| 04:53.54 | duo_ | quick question guys |
| 04:54.07 | johnjacky | peterS, I can't explain the difference of 16K on du -sh on one server and 20K on another |
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| 04:54.29 | peterS | johnjacky: that wasn't your original question, your original question was about 12kB vs. 16kB. were you lying? |
| 04:54.35 | duo_ | my buddy is running windows xp and i want him to beable to remote desktop into my linux, how would i go bout doing that? |
| 04:54.39 | johnjacky | peterS, I understand the 16K usage because block size is 4K |
| 04:55.12 | johnjacky | Sorry for my english. I misdrafted the question then |
| 04:55.13 | avtobiff | duo_, ssh. |
| 04:55.27 | avtobiff | duo_, or you mean graphically? |
| 04:55.33 | peterS | duo_: tell him to run a local X server. you can buy one or you can use Xorg |
| 04:55.46 | johnjacky | duo, vnc will be a easy setup |
| 04:55.49 | duo_ | graphically |
| 04:56.08 | avtobiff | duo_, vnc (tightnvc) or let him install a x server (cygwin for example) and ssh in (ssh -X host, run commands) |
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| 04:56.19 | avtobiff | duo_, vnc is probably the easiest way to go. |
| 04:56.34 | duo_ | i can remote into my xp box but i have no idea how to remote into my linux lol |
| 04:56.49 | avtobiff | duo_, now you know. |
| 04:57.14 | duo_ | vnc got it, thanks guys, much appreciate the help :) |
| 04:57.20 | avtobiff | no problem. |
| 04:57.26 | peterS | most of the time when people want to 'remote desktop' it is because they have no idea they could run X apps natively instead |
| 04:57.31 | avtobiff | duo_, you should really look into that ssh business to |
| 04:57.33 | duo_ | now maybe i can get him interested in linux. lol |
| 04:57.36 | peterS | i.e., running a local X server and going that way |
| 04:57.40 | avtobiff | peterS, no |
| 04:57.42 | avtobiff | exactly |
| 04:58.02 | avtobiff | peterS, but you have to have X11 forwarding then right? |
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| 04:58.09 | avtobiff | and not be behind a NAT etc |
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| 04:58.17 | avtobiff | or any firewall that blocks blabla |
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| 04:58.41 | peterS | avtobiff: duh, it stands to reason you can't be behind a firewall that blocks a particular protocol if you want to use that protocol. that applies to ssh, X11, and vnc equally |
| 04:58.43 | jim19^ | whats the command to reload a certain services eg. syslog,named in debian? in fedora its services |
| 04:58.47 | johnjacky | peterS, I hope you are not angry for the reason that my original question was different ? |
| 04:58.56 | avtobiff | peterS, yes. of course. |
| 04:59.10 | avtobiff | jim19^, /etc/init.d/servicename restart ? |
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| 04:59.27 | jim19^ | thanks |
| 04:59.36 | peterS | johnjacky: when I ask for specific information related to your question and you give me that information, and I give you an answer that matches what you told me, then you tell me that your information was incorrect, yes, I get annoyed |
| 04:59.59 | avtobiff | peterS, but is it not more common that ssh is open than X11 |
| 05:00.05 | avtobiff | heh. |
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| 05:00.23 | peterS | avtobiff: I would expect most firewalls to have neither one open by default. either one would require administrative action |
| 05:01.10 | avtobiff | well yes. i will go to bed now. god night :-) |
| 05:01.59 | peterS | avtobiff: to say nothing of the xdmcp port, which is the handiest way to get a "remote desktop" |
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| 05:02.48 | johnjacky | okay peterS . I couldn't get the time to tell you that I am calculating the disk usage or file usage on disk using du -sh. Anyways I do apologize. If you know the answer for the difference in du -sh in both machines even when block size is 4K , I would like to hear it |
| 05:03.53 | johnjacky | ls -lSh 12K on both servers, but du -sh shows 16K and 20K on the servers even when block size of partition is 4K |
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| 05:04.54 | peterS | wow, poor AWOSLappy |
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| 05:06.12 | peterS | johnjacky: no, offhand I do not know why a filesystem would allocate 20kB for a file of 12667 bytes. is it ext3 or what? |
| 05:06.23 | johnjacky | it is ext3 |
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| 05:09.33 | Daveman | Hi PeterS |
| 05:09.40 | peterS | Daveman. |
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| 05:09.48 | dirkson | Hey all. Do you suppose I could make linux see a usb/usb connection as a valid network device? |
| 05:10.23 | Daveman | Supposing it was, and you load the appropriate respective module for it to interface, yes. |
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| 05:11.16 | peterS | dirkson: there are usb<->usb adapters that have drivers in linux, yes. you can't just plug a cable in to two machines directly, USB doesn't work that way - you need some sort of device in the middle (possibly built into a special cable) |
| 05:11.59 | dirkson | peterS, Daveman, Gotcha. Likely be easier just to buy a usb/ethernet adaptor and plug an extra nic in, eh? |
| 05:12.33 | peterS | dirkson: should be about equally difficult, really. a matter of finding a device that has a linux driver, and making sure that driver loads when it's supposed to |
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| 05:13.14 | peterS | dirkson: I don't know that market, so I can't give you any recommendations of brands or models to buy, of either type of device |
| 05:13.21 | dirkson | peterS, Yeah, but I've got more PCI slots than I have usb slots : ) |
| 05:13.38 | Daveman | Purchase a USB hub? |
| 05:13.42 | peterS | heh. but each USB hub can handle up to 128 devices, if you plug enough hubs in! |
| 05:13.49 | Daveman | heh |
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| 05:14.01 | dirkson | peterS, All at full speed? O.o |
| 05:14.10 | peterS | dirkson: that might cost a bit more |
| 05:14.20 | Daveman | Throughout varies |
| 05:14.34 | dirkson | Alrighty : ) Thanks guys! |
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| 05:14.37 | peterS | if you really want to be perverse you can buy a PCI card with USB ports on it |
| 05:14.49 | Diabolo | hey guys somebody work with postfix + ldap? |
| 05:15.00 | Diabolo | i have some issues |
| 05:15.01 | peterS | it might come with a FireWire (ieee1394) port, too, and _that_ you can also use for networking |
| 05:15.16 | dirkson | *blinks* I could even buy a pcmcia card with ethernet, eh? That has better throughput than usb1, right? |
| 05:15.22 | peterS | FireWire, unlike USB, can be used as a network just by plugging a cable directly into 2 PCs |
| 05:15.53 | dirkson | peterS, Ahhh, cool.... But none of my computers are new enough to have firewire. |
| 05:15.58 | peterS | no special cable, I mean, it just has to have the right ends that plug into the computers |
| 05:16.05 | dirkson | peterS, My best computer is an 800 mhz model :*( |
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| 05:17.22 | dirkson | I'm converting an old laptop to be a sound server and terminal emulator |
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| 05:18.17 | va | hi to all.. |
| 05:18.51 | va | can anybody tell me which debian version is supporting resize partitioning |
| 05:19.15 | cast | alright. i've isolated my WOL problem |
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| 05:19.53 | cast | if i boot that computer to winxp first, then go shutdown. wol will work, once. if i boot to debian then go shutdown wol will not work. likewise if i boot as far as grub and shutdown the computer. |
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| 05:22.42 | hark | va: the etch installer should be able to do so |
| 05:25.51 | va | hark:but for that purpose is it require to add libreiserfs package |
| 05:27.26 | va | hark:due to lack of some supporting to resizing packages..i created image is doing auto resizing |
| 05:28.05 | va | hark: my image is not supporting resizing |
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| 05:33.46 | cast | oh damn. i think my mums etch install just assploded |
| 05:35.22 | hark | va: ah, not sure about ReiserFS |
| 05:35.43 | peterS | that's the problem, nobody is ever sure about reiserfs |
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| 05:36.20 | cast | aptitude install fails with Uncaught exception: ../../../src/generic/problemresolver/problemresolver.h:2216: generic_problem_resolver....now aptitude update works, but apt-get install and aptitude install both come up with a huge list of 'Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) but it is not installable' etc.. |
| 05:36.23 | markybob | va you should probably just use a live cd that's made for that sort of thing |
| 05:37.29 | markybob | va http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=313 |
| 05:38.14 | hark | va: don't think the installer supports it. |
| 05:38.23 | hark | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/debian-installer/libparted1.7-udeb |
| 05:39.12 | hark | as libreiserfs0.3-0 has been removed from Sarge.. |
| 05:40.26 | va | hark:just now i downloaded that is it require any other packages.. |
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| 05:41.15 | cast | ill do a fsck and check /var for corrupted files, seems odd. i haven't really done anything on that box except an occassional aptitude update/upgrade |
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| 05:41.46 | hark | va: downloaded what..? |
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| 05:43.30 | va | hark:libreiserfs0.3-0_0.3.0.5-1_i386.deb |
| 05:43.57 | va | hark:parted_1.7.1-5_i386.deb |
| 05:44.00 | MjolnirHOT | There is a guy who is having trouble with his keyboard. I occasionally have the same problem The kb will seem to freeze then display a bunch of chars |
| 05:44.25 | draco | \quit |
| 05:44.45 | va | hark:but these r .deb packages so we can not create image which will do resize at the time of installation |
| 05:45.52 | va | hark:is there any way to convert these .deb to .udeb so that at the time of installation 1 option will come for auto resize like suse.. |
| 05:45.59 | hark | va: yes, the page says that reiserfs support is not compiled in. Probably, just use a live cd like markybob suggested |
| 05:46.41 | hark | or try #debian-boot at oftc |
| 05:47.58 | va | hark:is there any way to convert .deb to .udeb? |
| 05:51.08 | cast | what the hell. apt-get -f install returns '10 upgraded, 171 newly installed, 4 to remove and 2 not upgraded.', but all those pkgs are already installed |
| 05:52.09 | markybob | cast, obviously not fully. try dpkg --configure -a |
| 05:52.26 | cast | hmm, removing the au debian mirror from sources.list and leaving just the isp debian mirror fixed things it seems |
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| 05:56.23 | cast | markybob: no, they were/are all fully installed. this is a recent problem, like last 10 minutes |
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| 05:57.11 | njkt | Hi, i have a problem with my system crashing constantly. I've been trying to get debian installed onto my laptop for quite some time, the install usually goes fine but then the system becomes very unstable, it crashes constantly when booting and if it makes it passed booting it may crash anywhere between 1-40 minutes of uptime, its an amd turion 64 X2 processor so i have the amd64 kernel currently. I'm not sure where to check for kern |
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| 05:57.39 | markybob | njkt, hp pavillion dv6000, by chance? |
| 05:57.48 | njkt | dv6119 |
| 05:57.53 | markybob | knew it :) |
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| 05:58.17 | markybob | i had problems, too, until i upgraded to 2.6.20rc5. roll your own 2.6.20rc kernel and you'll be fine |
| 05:58.34 | njkt | is that on etch or sid |
| 05:58.42 | njkt | i mean, the system you used it on |
| 05:58.42 | markybob | no. that's why i said roll your own |
| 05:58.46 | markybob | sid |
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| 05:59.24 | njkt | alright, i noticed that the mkinitrd utility is not on sid but mkinitramfs is, is that an upgraded version? |
| 06:00.04 | markybob | njkt, i forget which kernel version changed how initrd's are handled. been a little while now. |
| 06:00.27 | njkt | ah, ok |
| 06:00.33 | markybob | njkt, i can dcc you my kernel image deb, if you'd like. same system here |
| 06:01.01 | njkt | ok |
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| 06:01.51 | mo00 | how do you install packages from unstable? "apt-get install -t unstable tofrodos" doesn't work |
| 06:02.08 | markybob | mo00, probably because you dont have unstables sources in your sources.list |
| 06:02.28 | mo00 | how do i add it? |
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| 06:03.20 | markybob | !unstable |
| 06:03.21 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 06:03.29 | dexemna | How do I tell how close the Beryl package is to making it into sid? |
| 06:03.34 | njkt | markybob, no worries... i seem to be able to compile fine if i use an ssh tunnel to my laptop lol |
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| 06:12.44 | Bogus8 | Guerin: you around? |
| 06:12.56 | njkt | hey markybob; i don't suppose you have a copy of the kernel config file you used do you? |
| 06:13.01 | Guerin | frighteningly |
| 06:13.04 | Guerin | i just sat down |
| 06:13.08 | Bogus8 | Guerin: haha |
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| 06:13.11 | markybob | njkt, absolutely do. |
| 06:13.27 | markybob | njkt, dcc? or pm me your email if you want it that way |
| 06:13.39 | Bogus8 | Guerin: man, that file system is acting flaky ... it had a ton of weird errors on rsync |
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| 06:14.35 | cast | wow. that was obscure, i got wol to work with int nic on this nforce 2. i had to ethtool -s eth1 wol g in debian after debians booted. but aside from that, i have to *reverse* the mac address for it to boot if the last booted OS was debian [forcedeth bug it seems] |
| 06:14.40 | Guerin | Bogus8: i have no experience with rsync on ntfs, but it doesn't surprise me |
| 06:14.56 | Bogus8 | now, some history... this is an old dell Optiplex Gx1 and it has fucked up some partition tables before, BUT, I put in a promise pci ide card assuming that the mobo didn't handle large drives well |
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| 06:15.44 | Bogus8 | now if I ls the mounted ext3 drive that I was dumping to it says "ls: reading directory .: Input /output error" |
| 06:16.07 | Bogus8 | both drives were on different channels of the pci IDE card |
| 06:18.08 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 06:18.09 | dpkg | i/o error is probably if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 06:19.07 | Bogus8 | hmm, drives are practically new.. 200gig and 250 gig |
| 06:20.03 | Bogus8 | 80 pin cables... now, controller I'm unsure of but seems odd that I would have similar stuff happen on mobo also... that was when it was windows so errors I got there manifested in very odd ways since windows doesn't report any usable errors |
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| 06:21.58 | RyanT5000 | is it possible to have multiple versions of the same library installed? i want to run wine from unstable (actually feisty), and all its associated libraries with it, but i don't want those libraries unstable for everything else |
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| 06:27.30 | niru | is there any way to do resizing at the time of installation in debian |
| 06:27.36 | niru | I mean through d-i |
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| 06:36.33 | niru | nayyares:are you there |
| 06:36.35 | niru | is there any way to do resizing at the time of installation in debian |
| 06:36.38 | niru | I mean through d-i |
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| 06:43.58 | niru | hi laptop |
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| 06:45.47 | hark | niru: yes, read the install guide. depends on the fs, though |
| 06:46.21 | Supaplex | bah, usb just bomed out on a huge file transfer :-/ GAH |
| 06:46.48 | sparr | is there a way to use wildcards with apt-get and have it pick (at random, i dont care how) between conflicting matches? |
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| 06:47.06 | Daveman | Supaplex, so much for your Unreliable System Bus :p |
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| 06:47.47 | Supaplex | I bet it's this shittacular sata deathstar drive |
| 06:48.06 | Supaplex | atleast it was practly free after the rebates |
| 06:48.40 | Guerin | Supaplex: nttbomk |
| 06:48.45 | Guerin | sparr: nttbomk |
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| 06:50.29 | Daveman | :D |
| 06:50.44 | niru | hark:there its mentioned that currently you cannot resize the partitions |
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| 06:51.01 | markybob | niru use something made for it. http://gparted-forum.surf4.info/viewtopic.php?id=313 |
| 06:51.55 | hark | !ig |
| 06:51.55 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 06:52.00 | dexemna | How do I tell how close the Beryl package is to making it into sid? |
| 06:52.08 | hark | niru: section 6.3.2 |
| 06:52.46 | dexemna | Quoth the Beryl wiki: |
| 06:52.47 | dexemna | "As of January 11th, 2007 beryl has been submitted for upload to Debian unstable. This will take a week to appear on the mirrors and will contain the beryl 0.1.4 release ONLY." |
| 06:52.48 | niru | hark:which url are you seeing |
| 06:53.02 | niru | hark:http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/users-guide/users-guide.en.html |
| 06:53.59 | hark | !tell niru about ig |
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| 06:56.22 | Supaplex | Daveman: http://rafb.net/p/DfrsWt64.html = ouch :P |
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| 06:57.22 | Daveman | :o |
| 06:57.36 | Daveman | Supaplex :x :( |
| 06:57.59 | Daveman | rut roh, spaghettios |
| 06:58.05 | Supaplex | yeah |
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| 06:59.22 | concept10 | dexemna, just use the svn beryl if you want the newest |
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| 07:00.17 | dexemna | concept10: I'm not interested in running the latest Beryl as much as I am seeing it finally become officially part of Debian. |
| 07:00.50 | concept10 | dexemna, thats fine, you wait, I run :) |
| 07:01.23 | dexemna | I run Beryl already |
| 07:01.28 | dexemna | 2.0 beta 2 |
| 07:02.05 | dexemna | Some people I know that I've given testing to aren't savy enough to compile and install it theirselves though. |
| 07:02.37 | dexemna | I mean I don't feel as if I need to justify the importance of a package entering the main section in Debian, especially one as important as this. |
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| 07:04.24 | hark | !beryl |
| 07:04.24 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are available here http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/index.php |
| 07:04.59 | markybob | c'mon. beryl. really? "as important as this" ? that's the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard |
| 07:05.05 | crink | is there anything like pdftopng or pdftojpg for linux platform? |
| 07:05.13 | deadcat | beryl deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/3v1deb debian-unstable beryl-svn |
| 07:05.26 | hark | convert.. maybe? |
| 07:05.28 | markybob | crink, yes |
| 07:05.30 | Supaplex | crink: yea. what platform are you from? |
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| 07:06.04 | markybob | crink, convert is a binary in imagemagick. install that |
| 07:06.28 | crink | linux |
| 07:06.35 | hark | heh |
| 07:07.07 | crink | thx |
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| 07:07.39 | Supaplex | crink: over specific way to ask in a linux channel hehe. |
| 07:08.23 | crink | i am using plan9port as my linux wm, considering to migrate to real plan9 env.. |
| 07:09.11 | crink | anything is just c, no fscking c++ at all.. |
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| 07:17.21 | crazy_penguin | good morning (hopefully) |
| 07:18.26 | frenchninja | evening :) |
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| 07:21.54 | kupesoft | I'm trying to set up a Debian installation as a wireless and wired router/gateway. Where's a good starting point for tutorials/documentation? |
| 07:22.33 | markybob | kupesoft, google. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3467111 |
| 07:22.54 | kupesoft | markybob: google hasn't really helped because I don't know what exactly I'm looking for, |
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| 07:26.29 | ice_cream | considering buying an external hd... would it be silly to then partition it and perhaps put 5 or so different OS's on it for testing? |
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| 07:27.14 | Supaplex | only if said OS's can boot from that media. |
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| 07:27.30 | cast | not that i suggest non-free things...but vmware server is free |
| 07:27.44 | cast | as in dollars. |
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| 07:27.54 | Supaplex | qemu is FOSS (well, mostly) |
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| 07:28.13 | cast | but the kernel module to make it run at decent speed isn't, iirc? |
| 07:28.17 | ice_cream | well i'm also suffering w/ space |
| 07:28.36 | Supaplex | cast: hence, mostly. |
| 07:28.49 | cast | Supaplex: my bad :> |
| 07:29.02 | ice_cream | but is running linux off of hd relatively fast? |
| 07:29.28 | ice_cream | liveCDs from cdrom are very slow, but for some reason i'm assuming through usb should be much faster... |
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| 07:30.00 | ice_cream | people reporting ~750mb/min transfer speeds |
| 07:30.05 | cast | usb2 hds are slowish, i think mine goes at 40megs/second, |
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| 07:30.22 | cast | natively hd might do around 65mb/second |
| 07:30.24 | Supaplex | mine's 21mb/s on usb2 |
| 07:30.32 | ofer0 | cast, depends which HD. |
| 07:30.37 | Supaplex | ditto cast =) |
| 07:30.47 | cast | ofer0: hence the 'mine goes at' ;) |
| 07:30.52 | Supaplex | actually, I have a few. |
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| 07:31.28 | ice_cream | and how would you compare it qualitatively to a livecd from cdrom? |
| 07:31.29 | ofer0 | cast, so I'm asking, which USB HD do you have ? |
| 07:31.40 | ice_cream | oh, btw, have you booted an os from your usb? |
| 07:31.49 | ofer0 | ice_cream, not all machines can do it |
| 07:31.54 | ofer0 | ice_cream, you better check your BIOS |
| 07:32.07 | Dembug | usb is always slower than the native speed of a hdd im told |
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| 07:32.32 | ice_cream | well i have a dell laptop maybe 2 yrs old |
| 07:32.35 | cast | ofer0: i have sata drives, samsung 300gb sata i believe i measured the read speed of |
| 07:32.53 | ice_cream | i havent checked bios lately, but i guess i will on next reboot |
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| 07:33.08 | Dembug | if its usb1 750MB/minute sounds about right |
| 07:33.10 | ice_cream | supposedly newer boards have a usb option in bios |
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| 07:33.23 | dj_nemo | Use USB 2.0 |
| 07:33.37 | Dembug | 12.5MB/s == 750/60 |
| 07:33.48 | Supaplex | that's megaBIT |
| 07:33.55 | Dembug | cough :< |
| 07:34.03 | Dembug | *Mb |
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| 07:34.37 | ice_cream | right, arent the units usually in megabits/second? |
| 07:34.45 | ice_cream | er, megabits/min |
| 07:34.45 | Dembug | well.. yeah.. |
| 07:34.57 | Dembug | i think usb1 is well under 300mbit |
| 07:35.11 | Dembug | i was trying to make the point that if your users are getting 750MB / minute |
| 07:35.21 | Dembug | and that 750MB/ 60 secs = 12.5MB/s |
| 07:35.26 | Dembug | approximately USBv1 speeds IMO |
| 07:35.30 | Dembug | maybe i did a booboo.. |
| 07:35.41 | ice_cream | ok |
| 07:36.05 | Dembug | soo yeah id personally be hoping i was using usb 1 and could turn on usb2 support :) |
| 07:36.23 | ice_cream | hypothetically, if i get an hd and my laptop supports booting from usb, will it be much _much_ faster than if i boot from cdrom? |
| 07:36.37 | ice_cream | heh |
| 07:36.43 | Dembug | well if its a laptop your using... disk access is quite slow anyway |
| 07:36.46 | cast | Dembug: USB does 12Mbit, |
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| 07:36.57 | Dembug | cast ah... so if hes getting 750MB per minute.. |
| 07:37.01 | Dembug | he cant be using USBv1 |
| 07:37.12 | Dembug | ice_cream: your answers there. |
| 07:37.39 | ice_cream | oh, idk how fast cdrom is in numbers |
| 07:37.55 | ice_cream | i just can remember how slow it seemed when i was trying out diff OS's on livecd |
| 07:38.04 | Dembug | heh cdrom? well 1X is 150KB/s i think |
| 07:38.08 | Supaplex | usb1.x is butthugging slow. |
| 07:38.35 | Dembug | hehh yeah |
| 07:38.48 | Supaplex | besides, you're asking for real world *throughput* |
| 07:39.04 | ice_cream | 'throughput' ? |
| 07:39.11 | Dembug | which is something youd be pushed to get with usb v2 and a desktop machine |
| 07:39.11 | Dembug | heh |
| 07:39.15 | ice_cream | i'm just uninformed =/ |
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| 07:39.25 | Dembug | lol :D throughput dude, how fast it can push |
| 07:39.33 | ice_cream | but thx for all of your input so far, guys ;) |
| 07:39.45 | Dembug | meh np, my input has been rather unhelpful |
| 07:40.00 | Supaplex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throughput |
| 07:40.14 | dj_nemo | IN THE WORLD WITHOUT WALL YOU DON'T NEED GATES AND WINDOZ |
| 07:40.40 | Dembug | hmm |
| 07:41.06 | Dembug | not sure i follow dj_nemo |
| 07:41.09 | Guerin | dj_nemo: in a world without fucking idiots, you don't need CAPSLOCK keys |
| 07:41.13 | Dembug | ROFL |
| 07:41.23 | dj_nemo | tanX |
| 07:41.32 | Supaplex | dj_nemo: that's what http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/ is for :) |
| 07:41.49 | Guerin | a small part of me wishes I had a windows box to try it on |
| 07:42.08 | Dembug | "<Supaplex> parsing error, brain meltdown in 10 seconds " |
| 07:42.15 | ice_cream | hahaha |
| 07:42.37 | ice_cream | hey, if linux will someday support d3d... |
| 07:43.08 | ice_cream | is that some virus, Supaplex ? =P |
| 07:43.28 | Supaplex | ice_cream: which? |
| 07:43.33 | dj_nemo | U R Funny Dear |
| 07:43.44 | Dembug | !any idea |
| 07:43.45 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged dairy cows. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 07:43.45 | dj_nemo | or don't know what s goin on |
| 07:43.45 | ice_cream | the 'click _here_ to install Debian' |
| 07:44.09 | wireddd | is there something like etherape that uses opengl? |
| 07:44.19 | dj_nemo | MelTTTTTTTTTTTTT |
| 07:44.19 | ice_cream | ok nvm, i guess it looks trustworthy |
| 07:44.21 | Supaplex | ice_cream: check the source under more details |
| 07:44.48 | Supaplex | it's legit. upload it to virus total if you're worried. |
| 07:44.50 | dj_nemo | w8 |
| 07:44.58 | Dembug | dj_nemo: tbh 7 words for you: There are no easter eggs in debian! |
| 07:45.06 | dj_nemo | why to use Windows :(on by One) |
| 07:45.17 | Dembug | !any troll |
| 07:45.20 | Dembug | :< |
| 07:45.23 | Dembug | !dpkg troll |
| 07:45.31 | Supaplex | !trollsmite Dembug |
| 07:45.37 | hark | !rape |
| 07:45.39 | Dembug | :< |
| 07:45.53 | Supaplex | bot's taking a smoke break. |
| 07:46.09 | ice_cream | nice, i love it |
| 07:46.11 | dj_nemo | .exe files and platforms |
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| 07:46.11 | Dembug | ahh bastid thing, im trying to give up.. thats just not fair. |
| 07:46.18 | ice_cream | windows is for gaming |
| 07:46.32 | Dembug | windows is like a really broke version of "testing" |
| 07:46.37 | Dembug | ;-> |
| 07:46.50 | dj_nemo | yeah it for Supporting 100% .exe files |
| 07:47.03 | Dembug | well ..no..actually |
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| 07:47.18 | Supaplex | Dembug: correction, windows a broken version of ham |
| 07:47.23 | Dembug | heh |
| 07:47.27 | dj_nemo | what more give me some Idea for my new Distru |
| 07:47.50 | Dembug | Supaplex: could be worse I suppose.. |
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| 07:47.56 | Supaplex | dj_nemo: call it distro orgy. install random packages from any repo while ignoring dependencies and force installing. |
| 07:48.04 | ice_cream | lol |
| 07:48.14 | dj_nemo | shit |
| 07:48.16 | Dembug | call it distro angry and install testing over stable |
| 07:48.25 | incorrect | hello, I am looking at zenoss, zabbix, nagios, cacti. can anyone recommend one? |
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| 07:48.44 | dj_nemo | :)) Problem on typein |
| 07:49.28 | ice_cream | emulate windows, then on windows emulate linux, and within that emulate windows again, then linux.... |
| 07:49.32 | Supaplex | incorrect: zabbix is a halfbaked attempt to do what cacti and nagios do, but nagios is far superior in reliability. |
| 07:49.48 | _Newbie0_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.58 | positrix | /msg dpkg no public key |
| 07:50.01 | Supaplex | nice password there. |
| 07:50.04 | Dembug | lol |
| 07:50.07 | _Newbie0_ | lol |
| 07:50.08 | Dembug | hes copy pasted |
| 07:50.10 | dj_nemo | :)) Have A Fun Kiddddddddie |
| 07:50.18 | Supaplex | oh, it's a secure one. we can't read it. I get it! |
| 07:50.24 | Dembug | _Newbie0_ may i say your nickname and your paste are quite complimentary |
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| 07:50.25 | Dembug | ;-) |
| 07:50.30 | ice_cream | /msg nickserv identify blah! |
| 07:50.33 | incorrect | Supaplex, i used to use cacti and nagios all the time, just would be nice to have one app that does all |
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| 07:50.48 | _Newbie0_ | hows? |
| 07:50.54 | Dembug | dj_nemo: the /usr/bin is over there go run rm in your root. |
| 07:50.56 | Dembug | :< |
| 07:51.00 | Dembug | bah |
| 07:51.04 | ice_cream | rm -r? |
| 07:51.16 | ice_cream | -rf |
| 07:51.22 | Dembug | uhh well rm -rf i suppose but i wanted to refer to teh binary itself since he was so obsessed with "exe's" |
| 07:51.57 | Dembug | sigh why am i in such a bad mood... i know... ive been working with scsi and a netfinity for the last few days.. |
| 07:52.07 | Supaplex | incorrect: I tollerate zabbix, but I'm still pretty annoyed it's tedious to setup every little thing. the agent likes to die if your test results take too much time. the internal interpreter isn't exposed well, so it's write everything yourself day... |
| 07:52.07 | ice_cream | there are some good windows .exe s |
| 07:52.12 | Dembug | It is so not fun when rambus dies on a compaq board - pairs only |
| 07:52.13 | ice_cream | cmd.exe |
| 07:52.14 | ice_cream | =P |
| 07:52.26 | Dembug | lol |
| 07:52.28 | ice_cream | ouch |
| 07:52.41 | incorrect | Supaplex, have you used zenoss? |
| 07:52.51 | Dembug | so once that box a down it aint never coming back up till you find a repacement dimm |
| 07:52.52 | Dembug | :< |
| 07:52.52 | Supaplex | no, never heard of the animal. |
| 07:53.12 | Dembug | cough, rimm. |
| 07:53.13 | Supaplex | Dembug: unless you scrap it and buy NON rambus. |
| 07:53.14 | incorrect | Supaplex, well i've been put off zabbix |
| 07:53.25 | Dembug | Supaplex ahh yes. but i missed out on rambus.. :D |
| 07:53.27 | Supaplex | incorrect: ditto. :) |
| 07:53.31 | Dembug | nows my chance with the compaq sp750! |
| 07:53.41 | Dembug | Dual xeon 733, ooooo 256KB L2 a pleasure.. |
| 07:53.45 | Dembug | onboard scsi3 u160! |
| 07:53.54 | Dembug | this stuff is still kinda expensive.. |
| 07:55.21 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:55.46 | Supaplex | dimir: only 6 minutes to go! |
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| 08:00.39 | dimir | Supaplex: well, 10 am here. :-P |
| 08:01.57 | Supaplex | 1am here |
| 08:02.19 | Supaplex | Dembug: lvd or hvd? |
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| 08:03.06 | dimir | Far away somewhere in America? |
| 08:03.19 | Supaplex | yup |
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| 08:11.23 | bokey | itchi, ping |
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| 08:13.12 | deadcat | is this bad? http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/qube3/kernelchoke |
| 08:13.36 | Dembug | <abrotman> it's not preinstalled with sarge either |
| 08:13.40 | Dembug | wrong! |
| 08:13.52 | Dembug | openssh-server is installed with sarge :> just checked |
| 08:13.53 | Dembug | heh |
| 08:14.07 | Supaplex | deadcat: looks like a kernel panic. |
| 08:14.21 | Supaplex | via syslog from medusa? |
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| 08:14.33 | deadcat | Supaplex: what might cost it? i think it might be the buggy eth |
| 08:14.43 | deadcat | Supaplex: ya. |
| 08:14.54 | Supaplex | ksymoops |
| 08:14.56 | Supaplex | !ksymoops |
| 08:14.56 | dpkg | ksymoops is, like, every time modutils loads a module it saves the current kernel symbol table in /var/log/ksymoops, to help debugging kernel oops's. ksymoops is the program that interprets an oops using this data. |
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| 08:15.35 | deadcat | Supaplex: install it? |
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| 08:15.41 | mcaustria | hi there |
| 08:15.48 | Supaplex | deadcat: yea. I'm looking for docs to, 1m. |
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| 08:17.43 | mcaustria | just trying a bit round in shell: do for i in x y z; do $i=5; done; printf ..... |
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| 08:17.52 | deadcat | Supaplex: could this be the problem? http://linux.404ster.com/projects.php?action=view&id=8 although i am using 2.6.19 |
| 08:18.35 | Supaplex | deadcat: oops-tracing.txt.gz in kernel docs. |
| 08:18.41 | mcaustria | error-retun is x=5: command not found ...wtf |
| 08:19.04 | cool_sun | Hi guys where can i download ipcs binary source code |
| 08:19.11 | Supaplex | deadcat: or if you're adventurous, can reproduce the bug consistantly, consider BUG-HUNTING.gz in kernel docs to. |
| 08:19.15 | deadcat | mcaustria: i=5 not $i |
| 08:19.47 | Dembug | oki |
| 08:19.51 | deadcat | Supaplex: screw that.. i am tire as hell (=.. i will complain to the cobalt channel tomorrow.. thanks. heheh |
| 08:20.17 | Supaplex | deadcat: I don't think that e100 patch has much to do with it. the ksymoops will most clearly tell where the fault was. |
| 08:20.30 | mcaustria | deadcat i want to rename x y z not i |
| 08:20.39 | deadcat | Supaplex: whats the command option i want? so i can save the output for tomorrow |
| 08:20.52 | deadcat | mcaustria: man rename |
| 08:20.55 | Bogus8 | What is a good way to stress a hdd and see if it gives up some i/o errors or dma timing things |
| 08:21.06 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to isolate where my problem is |
| 08:21.29 | Bogus8 | so I'm swapping out drives now to see if it's the controller or drive |
| 08:21.39 | Supaplex | ksymoops has a man page. you just tell it the kernel, and paths to some resources, cat the trace into it, and capture the new output from it. |
| 08:21.40 | cast | bonnie++? |
| 08:22.14 | cool_sun | cool_sun here!!!...i need ipc command source code..pls give informaition |
| 08:22.27 | mcaustria | crap... the shell should give the value 5 to x,y & z variable |
| 08:22.34 | Supaplex | Bogus8: badblocks. if you're not too woried about the data, try the write mode (write mode destroys data) |
| 08:22.51 | Supaplex | Bogus8: but the readonly mode should put some stress on it. |
| 08:23.01 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: that is a util? |
| 08:23.08 | Supaplex | Bogus8: yes. |
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| 08:23.21 | Supaplex | badblocks (8) - search a device for bad blocks |
| 08:23.26 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: coool, I'll check it out |
| 08:23.41 | Bogus8 | it's formatted NTFS right now but I don'[t need the data |
| 08:23.46 | Supaplex | !tell cool_sun -about search |
| 08:23.50 | Bogus8 | it's all finally been backed up |
| 08:24.11 | Supaplex | Bogus8: good luck. I'm turning in for the night. =) |
| 08:24.21 | Bogus8 | Supaplex: thanks... later |
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| 08:25.09 | cool_sun | hi Supaplex..i need this ipc command to be cross-compiled to mipsel-linux |
| 08:25.22 | deadcat | Supaplex: my kernel is a vmlinux.bz2 |
| 08:25.22 | cool_sun | where can i get the source code |
| 08:25.39 | deadcat | Supaplex: i think it wants me to reboot is needed. |
| 08:25.50 | deadcat | Supaplex: and i dont have /proc/ksyms |
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| 08:36.03 | Dembug | nn chaps |
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| 08:38.37 | Guerin | mm, i have a bunch of filenames with \n in them. How can I rename them all in a nice automated fashion |
| 08:38.41 | Guerin | rename barfs |
| 08:39.53 | Quintin | "There's no appreciable amount of Linux on client systems anywhere in the world," |
| 08:40.00 | Quintin | quoth the Ballmer |
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| 08:40.57 | dazgard | hi |
| 08:41.07 | ma3x | is there any player that can slow up music in percentage? |
| 08:41.21 | Guerin | ma3x: mplayer |
| 08:41.24 | ma3x | say play it for %60 slower |
| 08:41.31 | ma3x | Guerin: does it play .ape? |
| 08:41.49 | dazgard | i have 2 integrated NICS, (same cards so same kernel module). how can i tell the system to use one of them (always the same one) as eth0 ? |
| 08:42.04 | Guerin | ma3x: no, because ape is shit and nobody in their right mind uses it |
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| 08:42.30 | ma3x | can I somehow convert that ape to mp3? |
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| 08:42.34 | Guerin | dazgard: they should automatically do so via interrupts |
| 08:42.35 | Quintin | dazgard: I think it would be eth1 and eth2 .. eth0 is usually reserved for a pci card |
| 08:42.36 | NeWorld | hello |
| 08:43.01 | dazgard | i have eth0 and eth1 |
| 08:43.03 | Guerin | ma3x: decode it to wave and re-encode. The only saving grace there is that ape is (usually) lossless. |
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| 08:43.10 | Guerin | Quintin: no |
| 08:43.20 | mcaustria | so I'll give it a second try: why does the shell: "do for i in x y z; do $i=5; done; printf ...." not work? the shell should give the value 5 to x,y & z variable -> The error-retun is x=5: command not fond....that simply doesnt make sence to me when x=5 directly surely works |
| 08:43.29 | Guerin | Quintin: eth0 is the first ethernet device, either by interrupt or by module loading |
| 08:43.31 | ma3x | Guerin: how do I decode it to wave? |
| 08:43.43 | dazgard | the cards are labelled NIC1 and NIC2 on the server, and i would like linux to attached eth0 to nic1 and so |
| 08:43.48 | Guerin | ma3x: using an ape player |
| 08:44.05 | Guerin | dazgard: boot. Does it do so? |
| 08:44.21 | ma3x | Guerin: xmms can play ape. but how to decode it? |
| 08:44.26 | dazgard | Guerin: no |
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| 08:44.51 | dazgard | i could use index-2 when loading the module, but the module are the same |
| 08:45.56 | Guerin | ma3x: i recommend using the command line player, you can find it at rarewares or possibly marillat |
| 08:46.00 | Guerin | dazgard: change the labels? |
| 08:46.24 | Guerin | dazgard: unless there's a bios setting, it's just done by IRQ, there's not much I know of that you can change there |
| 08:47.06 | dazgard | cant i tell linux with irq to assign to eth0? or samething like that ? |
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| 08:49.27 | ma3x | Guerin: command line player of xmms? |
| 08:49.52 | Guerin | no, command line player for monkey's audio |
| 08:50.00 | Guerin | i think it's /usr/bin/mac |
| 08:50.18 | Guerin | dazgard: dunno. |
| 08:50.39 | dazgard | ok, no problem Guerin, thanks |
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| 08:50.54 | cydork | dazgard: i think if you set the right mac in e got 1024x768(for a 15 inch, that's the best |
| 08:50.58 | cydork | comfortable res.), but without 3D accel( i.e. no DRI). all i can do is hope |
| 08:51.06 | cydork | that the OS DRI manages to reverse engineer the memory handling routines, or |
| 08:51.06 | cydork | (Gasp ...) ati releases the spec. othserwise, since it is an office desktop, |
| 08:51.07 | cydork | damn.. |
| 08:51.34 | cydork | dazgard: you can edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and set the mac address there. |
| 08:51.39 | metrics | Anyone know what's happening with updated kernel sources in unstable? Are we waiting on etch release? |
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| 08:52.59 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
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| 08:57.28 | AeonLibrarian | gooooooodmorning vietnam! |
| 08:58.17 | AeonLibrarian | ouch |
| 08:58.26 | Guerin | really |
| 08:58.30 | AeonLibrarian | i have 3 of em in my backyard |
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| 08:58.54 | Guerin | when you spend a while in viet nam, you get *really* fucking pissed off with every twat saying that first thing *every* morning |
| 08:59.08 | AeonLibrarian | =) hell yes |
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| 09:01.13 | ra2 | hello, has anybody had any luck with installing debian sarge on a sun fire x2100? |
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| 09:02.23 | Guerin | ra2: i suggest you grab the mbox of the install reports from bugs.debian.org and grep it thoroughly |
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| 09:03.34 | streuner | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/423 |
| 09:03.37 | Quintin | Guerin: you were in viet nam? |
| 09:04.12 | Guerin | Quintin: yeah, last year |
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| 09:04.34 | Quintin | Guerin: I mean like... for the war. that would explain a lot.. |
| 09:04.39 | Guerin | haha |
| 09:04.45 | Guerin | hell no |
| 09:05.11 | streuner | Since when were .nz in war with vietnam? |
| 09:05.22 | Guerin | streuner: since 1965 or so |
| 09:05.30 | streuner | ra2: read the URL above, it seems he had luck ;-) |
| 09:05.32 | streuner | heh |
| 09:05.34 | Guerin | though it ended in 1975 with the rest |
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| 09:06.38 | biatche | im new here. to use debian k7 kernel, should i just apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 or headers also as well? |
| 09:07.18 | Guerin | biatche: headers only if you're building extra modules or something |
| 09:07.44 | metrics | AeonLibrarian: You don't need to re-install. |
| 09:07.51 | ra2 | streuner: indeed |
| 09:07.55 | ra2 | thanks Guerin |
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| 09:08.10 | AeonLibrarian | haha :P thanks metrics |
| 09:08.26 | ra2 | unfortunately sarge does not see hard disks or nic |
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| 09:08.45 | metrics | AeonLibrarian: I'd just check to make sure you have all the dependencies, and try starting amarok from a terminal and check the output. |
| 09:09.11 | mcnaft | Can someone help me to get alsa sound to work on a 2.4 kernel? |
| 09:09.12 | ma3x | Guerin: is the tool called Apple Lossless decoder? http://rarewares.org/lossless.html |
| 09:09.32 | Guerin | ma3x: no, the package is monkeys-audio |
| 09:10.00 | biatche | Guerin: buliding as in making my own customized modules? |
| 09:10.24 | Guerin | biatche: yes, or building some extra ones which aren't in the mainline kernel |
| 09:10.51 | biatche | btw, is the latest version only .18? |
| 09:11.09 | Guerin | biatche: 2.6.18, yes. .19 will be in soon enough |
| 09:11.19 | biatche | oh, i thought my mirror is outdated |
| 09:11.26 | biatche | as im using an asian mirror |
| 09:11.41 | Guerin | nah, they're fine |
| 09:12.07 | Guerin | well, the ones I used to use kaist, kornet and sarang |
| 09:12.08 | Dembug | well.. i have a 2.6.19-rc1 backport running fine.. |
| 09:12.10 | Dembug | mostly :) |
| 09:13.02 | AeonLibrarian | Metrics: im running from a terminal all the time =) |
| 09:13.08 | ma3x | Guerin: I've added deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main to the sources, but it still can't find monkeys-audio |
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| 09:13.23 | Guerin | it may not be in main; i think it's non-free |
| 09:13.57 | ma3x | oh ok |
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| 09:14.51 | metrics | AeonLibrarian: Maybe pastebin the output? |
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| 09:15.13 | ma3x | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.debian-multimedia.org_dists_sid_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 09:15.56 | streuner | haha |
| 09:16.17 | ma3x | what are you laughing? |
| 09:16.25 | AeonLibrarian | metrics: i'm sorry i'm a linux-n00b, really have no idea what that means xD |
| 09:16.27 | streuner | marillat's stuff is non-free by default... |
| 09:16.41 | streuner | there is no need to make an EXTRA entry :-) |
| 09:16.42 | Yage | I'd like to create a (non transparent) proxy with authentication, i can't use ntlm or digest, but i need security, i'd like to use a captive portal in https, is that possible? I also need to reauth the user every time browser is closed and reopened. Is this allready done? |
| 09:16.48 | ma3x | what do you mean non-free? I should pay to use them? |
| 09:16.52 | AeonLibrarian | metrics: i'm using it yet 4 weeks and i seem to like amaroks skin |
| 09:16.53 | streuner | no |
| 09:17.03 | streuner | ma3x: /msg dpkg nonfree |
| 09:17.04 | ma3x | well I won't do anything else but use them |
| 09:17.19 | metrics | AeonLibrarian: Copy the text from the terminal, go to pastebin.ca and follow instructions...then drop the link here. |
| 09:17.30 | SubStack | freedom++ |
| 09:17.37 | ma3x | Guerin: it just can't find that monkeys-audio |
| 09:18.17 | streuner | dpkg, find monkey |
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| 09:18.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'monkey' (5 of 41): (/usr/bin/viewurl-seamonkey.sh) in net/licq ;; (/usr/share/games/xmahjongg/layouts/monkey) in games/xmahjongg ;; (/usr/share/php-getid3/module.audio.monkey.php) in web/php-getid3 ;; (/usr/share/menu/spidermonkey-bin) in interpreters/spidermonkey-bin ;; (/usr/share/horde3/themes/graphics/avatars/monkey.jpg) in web/horde3. |
| 09:19.02 | ma3x | streuner: it's not that. it's in marillat's packages, but it can't find it |
| 09:19.03 | streuner | ma3x: use apt-cache search foo |
| 09:19.10 | ma3x | I did |
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| 09:20.49 | AeonLibrarian | metrics; ok thanks |
| 09:20.59 | hjubal | hi, today my notebook running Etch complains: |
| 09:21.00 | hjubal | error: '/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow |
| 09:21.00 | hjubal | INIT: Sending processes the KILL signal |
| 09:21.00 | hjubal | Give root password for maintenance |
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| 09:22.16 | psh | what is a strong firewall? i am used to shorewall.... i just thought there might be a reason to switch |
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| 09:23.05 | ma3x | streuner: ok found it |
| 09:23.33 | SlayerXP | psh: locate the network cable going in to the back of the machine in question |
| 09:23.46 | SlayerXP | psh: grab hold of the cable firmly, then pull it as hard as possible |
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| 09:24.09 | streuner | ma3x: so? |
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| 09:24.29 | ma3x | streuner: so nothing. if I have a problem using it, I'll message you later :p |
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| 09:24.35 | diesel | hi |
| 09:24.45 | diesel | how can i mount an external hd in debian?? |
| 09:24.48 | biatche | so that's one downside of debian... they dont use the latest of everything :/ |
| 09:25.08 | psh | SlayerXP, wow now i have wireless networking, cool |
| 09:25.36 | crazy_bus | I'm using kubuntu, but the people aren't sure on how to fix this problem so I thought I'd ask here. apt-get seems doesn't install or remove files anymore, because when I do I get these error messages E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code |
| 09:25.42 | hjubal | why does Etch complain "error: '/etc/init.d/rc' exited outside the expected code flow"? |
| 09:26.24 | streuner | diesel: /msg dpkg usb storage |
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| 09:27.14 | diesel | struener does not work |
| 09:27.25 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 09:27.25 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 09:28.00 | biatche | my pc doesn't work. why? |
| 09:28.02 | diesel | dpkg needs an action |
| 09:28.07 | streuner | diesel: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 09:28.30 | diesel | Linux version 2.6.8-3-386 (pbuilder@dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Wed Dec 6 00:38:53 UTC 2006 |
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| 09:28.51 | crazy_bus | dpkg, was that directed at me? |
| 09:29.03 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 09:29.03 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 09:29.26 | streuner | diesel: so give us more details, what command fails, are you getting any errors? |
| 09:29.38 | diesel | with dpkg you mean? |
| 09:29.57 | streuner | diesel: did you try what the bot told you (usb storage)? |
| 09:30.30 | diesel | !usb storage |
| 09:30.30 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 09:31.03 | diesel | debian:/etc# mount usb-storage |
| 09:31.03 | diesel | mount: can't find usb-storage in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 09:31.50 | liable | ... |
| 09:31.54 | streuner | diesel: ok, just get a backport (kernel) |
| 09:32.00 | liable | diesel: do you have that dir to mount to? |
| 09:32.13 | diesel | how getting a backport? |
| 09:32.17 | streuner | diesel: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:32.17 | diesel | !backport |
| 09:32.18 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 09:32.38 | liable | !selftell |
| 09:32.39 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 09:33.10 | streuner | diesel: modinfo usb-storage tell you nothing at all? |
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| 09:33.27 | diesel | yes it does |
| 09:34.25 | diesel | /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-386/kernel/drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.ko |
| 09:34.31 | streuner | diesel: and 'modprobe usb-storage' fails? |
| 09:34.31 | crazy_bus | can anyone help with my dpkg error? more details at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5201 |
| 09:34.44 | diesel | i doesnt do anything |
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| 09:35.02 | diesel | i does not fail no |
| 09:35.35 | streuner | diesel: grep via lsmod, for example 'lsmod | grep usb' and see its listed or not... |
| 09:35.59 | diesel | usb_storage 59328 0 |
| 09:36.01 | diesel | it is |
| 09:36.06 | diesel | in it but how to open it? |
| 09:36.41 | SlayerXP | diesel: the "0" means nothing is using the module |
| 09:36.52 | diesel | ok and now? |
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| 09:37.36 | diesel | usbcore 104292 6 usb_storage,ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,ndiswrapper |
| 09:37.39 | diesel | this one? |
| 09:38.41 | liable | diesel: dmesg |grep sda |
| 09:39.00 | diesel | did it |
| 09:39.04 | diesel | nothing happens |
| 09:39.29 | liable | diesel: paste your dmesg output to a pastebot |
| 09:39.34 | liable | !paste |
| 09:39.34 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:39.38 | streuner | diesel: lsusb shows you the HD, right? |
| 09:40.08 | diesel | yes |
| 09:40.19 | diesel | Bus 003 Device 002: ID 059f:0651 LaCie, Ltd |
| 09:40.25 | diesel | and so on |
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| 09:40.31 | liable | paste dmesg |
| 09:40.40 | streuner | ok, so the kernel regonises the HD and can use it, you just need to make an entry in /etc/fstab |
| 09:40.41 | diesel | dmesg doesnot doing anything |
| 09:40.48 | diesel | yes i mthought so |
| 09:40.54 | diesel | but which? |
| 09:40.56 | liable | bullshit |
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| 09:41.19 | liable | diesel: type dmesg in a terminal and paste the output |
| 09:42.48 | diesel | liable done |
| 09:42.56 | liable | and the url is? |
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| 09:43.17 | diesel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5202. |
| 09:43.30 | diesel | how can i name the hd in etc/fstab? |
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| 09:43.56 | liable | blah |
| 09:44.05 | _FeelFree_ | eisen_: re u there? |
| 09:44.10 | liable | you have a buggy sound driver |
| 09:44.21 | diesel | can i fix that? |
| 09:44.32 | liable | diesel: unplug the drive, then replug it, then repaste |
| 09:45.26 | liable | diesel: are you using a modem? |
| 09:46.00 | diesel | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5203 |
| 09:46.06 | diesel | no wireless |
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| 09:47.20 | liable | diesel: mkdir /mnt/usb; mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
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| 09:47.35 | liable | diesel: what windoe manager/desktop do you have? |
| 09:47.45 | diesel | kde |
| 09:47.50 | diesel | mkdir done |
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| 09:48.11 | liable | kde is teh suck for automounting |
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| 09:48.15 | Math^ | hello, wich imageviewer is a lightweighted one? |
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| 09:48.19 | liable | they say it should work, but it doesnt |
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| 09:48.26 | liable | Math^: feh |
| 09:48.31 | diesel | it works now found the disk |
| 09:48.32 | Math^ | liable: feh? |
| 09:48.33 | diesel | thanx |
| 09:48.37 | liable | !feh |
| 09:48.37 | dpkg | i guess feh is the poor man's bah, or an excellent imlib2-based image viewer |
| 09:48.45 | Math^ | alright |
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| 09:49.07 | _FeelFree_ | ? |
| 09:49.09 | dondelelcaro | I don't know how lightweight feh is, but it is one of the best |
| 09:49.18 | diesel | liable thanx |
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| 09:49.33 | diesel | is it always working now when i put in a hd |
| 09:49.34 | liable | diesel: ask in a kde channel why it doesnt automount. you might want to look into ivman too |
| 09:49.35 | diesel | ? |
| 09:49.56 | liable | diesel: no, you need to add a fstab line or try ivman as i said |
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| 09:50.02 | diesel | its just mount /dev/sda1? |
| 09:50.09 | liable | diesel: or get the silly kde people to fix there automount |
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| 09:50.32 | Math^ | liable: and a viewer where i can press pgup/dwn for viewing the next/previous image? |
| 09:50.55 | _FeelFree_ | hi |
| 09:50.57 | dondelelcaro | Math^: feh uses the arrow keys or n and p, which is what is normal. |
| 09:51.08 | Math^ | k nice :) |
| 09:51.33 | dondelelcaro | in fact, the only major annoyance I have is that there's no way to scroll without using the mouse |
| 09:51.52 | Math^ | dondelelcaro: doesnt work in here |
| 09:52.17 | Math^ | arrow keys or n/p ? |
| 09:52.43 | dondelelcaro | Math^: if it doesn't, then you're not using feh, or the window isn't focused. |
| 09:53.03 | dondelelcaro | (or you're only viewing one image, in which case, what did you expect?) |
| 09:53.16 | Math^ | ah ofcourse |
| 09:53.30 | Math^ | i have to load them all first? |
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| 09:54.46 | crazy_bus | Does anyone know where I could find the answer to my problem?http://channels.debian.net/paste/5201 |
| 09:54.57 | dondelelcaro | Math^: no, but you have to specify them on the command line or recursion. Read the manpage already. |
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| 09:55.17 | Math^ | dondelelcaro: im reading :) |
| 09:55.23 | Math^ | i see |
| 09:55.40 | dondelelcaro | crazy_bus: something is wrong with /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgtop2-common.list |
| 09:55.56 | Math^ | feh -r * works |
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| 09:56.01 | NeWorld | hi |
| 09:56.07 | dondelelcaro | crazy_bus: see if that file exists, and if it looks ok |
| 09:56.14 | Math^ | only with n and p not the arrowkeys |
| 09:56.19 | Math^ | but that's ok |
| 09:57.20 | dondelelcaro | p, P, <BACKSPACE>, <LEFT> Goto previous slide n, N, <SPACE>, <RIGHT> Goto next slide |
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| 09:57.48 | NeWorld | i ve a problem with my modem linux driver (can't be recongnized by Linux) and im downloading etch RC1 release so do you think this release may contain the fit drivers? |
| 09:57.51 | NeWorld | (model ZXDSL 852) |
| 09:58.13 | NeWorld | and its good for someone newbie? |
| 09:58.18 | dondelelcaro | NeWorld: if 2.6.17 actually supports it, yes. Otherwise, no. |
| 09:59.21 | NeWorld | etch RC1 whats its kernel? |
| 09:59.35 | dondelelcaro | NeWorld: it appears that support for that card was only added in 2.6.19-rc3. |
| 09:59.41 | crazy_bus | dondelelcaro: I can see libgtop.list and libgtop2-common.md5 but not the file you said? |
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| 09:59.43 | dondelelcaro | so no, it won't work. |
| 10:00.04 | dondelelcaro | crazy_bus: well, that's why it's failing. touch /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgtop2-common.list, and try again. |
| 10:00.14 | liable | NeWorld: not many winmodems are supported in linux |
| 10:00.30 | liable | NeWorld: check out the linmodems.org web page and mailing list |
| 10:00.45 | rza | is there a separate channel for package maintainers? |
| 10:01.10 | NeWorld | so :s im unlucky,i wnt to use linux for the 1st tme and when i got it i find this styupid problem |
| 10:01.11 | dondelelcaro | rza: what's your question? |
| 10:01.26 | rza | dondelelcaro: actually im looking for one maintainer |
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| 10:01.30 | rza | a shot in the dark |
| 10:01.35 | dondelelcaro | rza: who? |
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| 10:01.41 | rza | Ryuichi Arafune |
| 10:01.48 | liable | NeWorld: eh, if its supported in newer kernels, you might be lucky, and can just install a newer kernel after install (that is, if you can install via another way to connect to the net) |
| 10:01.50 | rza | maintainer of the imagemagick |
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| 10:02.30 | dondelelcaro | he doesn't IRC to my knowledge; your best bet is to e-mail him. |
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| 10:02.38 | NeWorld | so to download netinst isnt suitable now? |
| 10:02.45 | rza | dondelelcaro: ok, thank you |
| 10:02.49 | dondelelcaro | NeWorld: you can always try it, but don't expect it to work |
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| 10:02.59 | helloyo | i have just returned to debian after a few years, just what i'm looking for! dang fast! could somebody please point me towards the "standard" repos? |
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| 10:03.05 | crazy_bus | dondelelcaro: do I type this into the terminal? "touch /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgtop2-common.list" |
| 10:03.23 | Arafangio1 | NeWorld: Downloadding the first CD is a good compromise. |
| 10:03.36 | NeWorld | if i try it ,it won't damage my system?as i ve dual booting!n im affraid to lsoe xp part |
| 10:03.38 | dondelelcaro | crazy_bus: yes. |
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| 10:03.55 | liable | NeWorld: is dial up the only way you have to connect? |
| 10:04.00 | NeWorld | first cd of etch or sarge? |
| 10:04.09 | Arafangio1 | NeWorld: You're installing the damn OS, of course you're going to risk loosing XP. |
| 10:04.09 | dondelelcaro | NeWorld: etch is more likely to support it |
| 10:04.20 | NeWorld | i ve dial up and dsl connexion |
| 10:04.33 | liable | if you have dsl, you should be fine |
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| 10:04.44 | crazy_bus | because when I did it came with the error "touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/dpkg/info/libgtop2-common.list': Input/output error" |
| 10:04.44 | Arafangio1 | liable: Depends on his connection. |
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| 10:04.49 | liable | well, as long as you dont have some exotic ethernet card |
| 10:04.53 | NeWorld | in wich case? |
| 10:04.57 | Arafangio1 | liable: USB DSL adapters are popular here, for example. |
| 10:05.07 | liable | Arafangio1: ^^ |
| 10:05.10 | helloyo | could somebody please point me to the standard repos |
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| 10:05.21 | EdLin | helloyo: apt-setup |
| 10:05.23 | Arafangio1 | helloyo: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:05.41 | liable | EdLin: not in etch (fyi, in case you didnt know) |
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| 10:05.50 | NeWorld | but i didnt understand if mien is ppeo or usb these new terms in linux world |
| 10:06.03 | EdLin | liable: hmm, I didn't know that. |
| 10:06.04 | helloyo | Arafangio1: thanks, but its only got the bare minimum in there that i added |
| 10:06.07 | liable | NeWorld: how do you plug dsl in? |
| 10:06.13 | Arafangio1 | NeWorld: pppoe is a protocol, usb is a physical connection. |
| 10:06.30 | NeWorld | usb but i to access to my isp i need lgin wih password |
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| 10:06.46 | EdLin | I remember trying to explain to someone that "USB" wasn't a wireless adaptor manufactorer. |
| 10:06.47 | liable | !win Arafangio1 |
| 10:06.47 | dpkg | Congratulations, Arafangio1! You have won the US presidency! |
| 10:07.00 | helloyo | !repositories |
| 10:07.04 | sorush20 | hi |
| 10:07.11 | Arafangio1 | dpkg: My! *thankyou* |
| 10:07.14 | sorush20 | Can't find font: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 10:07.17 | Arafangio1 | dpkg: Don't mention it. |
| 10:07.18 | liable | !tell helloyo about mirrors |
| 10:07.19 | rza | dondelelcaro: mailed :) |
| 10:07.21 | sorush20 | I keep getting that erroro |
| 10:07.24 | NeWorld | ? |
| 10:07.24 | sorush20 | any ideas? |
| 10:07.29 | helloyo | thanks liable |
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| 10:07.36 | liable | np |
| 10:07.46 | crazy_bus | dondelelcaro: what does this error mean? touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/dpkg/info/libgtop2-common.list': Input/output error |
| 10:07.46 | sorush20 | I'm trying to run xmbmon |
| 10:07.49 | AmirMohammad | I've a ridiculous problem, I've sshed to another box with French locale, (I don't want to alter it's locale settings), I've invoked adduser but as as you guessed it's talking with me in france and I've no clue about it, the bux I'm runing already is a Gentoo and doesn't have the adduser, would someone invoke it on his box and say me what I should to do step by step? |
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| 10:08.21 | niru | I system is not playing vcd |
| 10:08.28 | NeWorld | liable |
| 10:08.29 | EdLin | AmirMohammad: if all else fails there's vipw |
| 10:08.31 | niru | nether it is opening my default |
| 10:08.35 | mcnaft | When building a custom kernel, how do you know if you need initrd RAM disk? |
| 10:08.36 | NeWorld | araf? |
| 10:08.41 | niru | EdLin:any idea |
| 10:08.44 | liable | AmirMohammad: you can google the man page btw |
| 10:08.53 | janttsu | how could i remotely logout from a gnome session? |
| 10:09.04 | Arafangio1 | NeWorld: You should probably get a more supported network connection, Debian's got exceptional drivers, far more than windows has, but it's the third-party windows-only companies that suck. |
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| 10:09.07 | EdLin | niru: try using mplayer with codecs from the marillat repository |
| 10:09.14 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 10:09.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen rabid weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 10:09.18 | liable | mcnaft: if you are making a custom one for a particular box, then making an initrd is really quite pointless |
| 10:09.32 | niru | EdLin:marillat? |
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| 10:09.40 | EdLin | !tell niru about marillat |
| 10:09.48 | mcnaft | what exactly is it? |
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| 10:09.53 | astraanger | HI PEOPLE |
| 10:09.56 | astraanger | HOW ARE YOU |
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| 10:10.03 | astraanger | I AM GEORGE BUSH |
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| 10:10.14 | liable | EdLin: dude, you are behind the times atm :P its debian-multimedia now :) |
| 10:10.15 | astraanger | N I AM VERY SMART |
| 10:10.27 | liable | dondelelcaro: `^^ |
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| 10:10.30 | astraanger | N VERY GENÝUS |
| 10:10.39 | EdLin | liable: I call it marillat anyway, and that's what the factoid is labeled as. |
| 10:10.39 | astraanger | YA THAT'S ME!! |
| 10:10.45 | Arafangio1 | astraanger: Sorry, I'm president. |
| 10:10.48 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
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| 10:10.55 | liable | ta |
| 10:11.01 | fireba11 | :-) |
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| 10:11.25 | haary | Anyone knows a good free groupware system which works with a decent windows client (not Outlook, not web-based)? |
| 10:11.30 | EdLin | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 10:11.49 | Arafangio1 | haary: good, free, groupware... pick any two. |
| 10:11.55 | rahul | um |
| 10:12.06 | rahul | I have random children of diplomats at my place |
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| 10:12.12 | rahul | hpoe I don'tget killed |
| 10:12.34 | EdLin | someone forgot to tell #debian that its not Sunday anymore. |
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| 10:12.53 | rahul | hic |
| 10:13.03 | Arafangio1 | EdLin: Yeah, it's _still_ crazy hour :( |
| 10:13.04 | rahul | shit |
| 10:13.16 | rahul | yeah, um... oy? |
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| 10:13.29 | rahul | who wants a kernel made? |
| 10:13.42 | rahul | never mind. the girls are getting restless |
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| 10:14.26 | Arafangio1 | rahul: Unless they are deperately wanting to use Debian, I'm sorry but that's off topic. |
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| 10:15.47 | haary | well, my boss told me: see if you can find a free groupware, otherwise we have to buy a commercial system for $$$ |
| 10:15.51 | liable | oh, c'mon |
| 10:16.11 | Arafangio1 | haary: Did he... you know, give *actual needs*? |
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| 10:17.19 | petemc | Arafangio1: you would assume calendering and messaging, if he wants groupware |
| 10:17.22 | fantomas | Hi all. I have problem with installing debian Etch RC1 via netinst. I got 120Mb netinst ISO image and start installation. All goes fine until installing packages. In tasksel I select last item (standard system), installer downloads 171 packages and to the end of their installation at 86% it just stops. Last message under progress bar is "openbsd-inetd installed". |
| 10:17.25 | haary | Arafangio1: Yes, it should habve features like shared folders, group calendar, etc. And it shouldn't scare our windows users off :-) |
| 10:17.45 | Arafangio1 | petemc: It's the nature of the calendering that's sometimes the issue. |
| 10:17.50 | petemc | Arafangio1: it is? |
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| 10:18.26 | crazy_bus | what does this error mean? touch: cannot touch `/var/lib/dpkg/info/libgtop2-common.list': Input/output error |
| 10:18.31 | fantomas | I repeated installation twice with exact same result. Wtf? |
| 10:18.35 | helloyo | is there a "standard" restricted formats repo? |
| 10:18.49 | Arafangio1 | petemc: Yes... Do you want it to automatically book rooms, schedule meetings, etc, or can everybody just basically export their calendars and manage it themselves? |
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| 10:19.48 | petemc | Arafangio1: well, its a fairly moot point, linux groupware sw sucks ass |
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| 10:20.14 | Arafangio1 | petemc: The koffice suite is quite decent, as is evolution. |
| 10:20.24 | petemc | Arafangio1: those are clients |
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| 10:20.41 | Arafangio1 | petemc: He did ask for a non-web-based system. |
| 10:20.52 | Arafangio1 | petemc: And they do calendering using webDAV |
| 10:20.55 | liable | fantomas: hrm, thats not the first time i have seen someone complaining about inetd |
| 10:20.58 | liable | lately |
| 10:21.30 | liable | fantomas: unplug the net, install base, then update after reboot |
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| 10:22.10 | haary | Problem with Evolution and Kontact is, they don't run well on Windows |
| 10:22.11 | helloyo | sorry to repeat myself, i know this is asked all the time, but is there a safe restricted format repository available? |
| 10:22.11 | fantomas | liable, you mean I can select nothing in tasksel and system will install?? |
| 10:22.34 | Arafangio1 | haary: Find some other calendar client that uses the ical standard. |
| 10:22.37 | liable | fantomas: just base install, yep |
| 10:23.04 | liable | fantomas: standard install is base |
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| 10:23.31 | fantomas | liable, definitely I'll try it right now |
| 10:26.22 | liable | what do you put in b.d.o to see installer bugs? |
| 10:26.28 | dondelelcaro | crazy_bus: uh... if you're getting that error, it means that either something is wrong with the drive, or something is wrong with the filesystem. |
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| 10:26.40 | dondelelcaro | crazy_bus: best to back up any important data on that drive, and fsck the filesystem. |
| 10:27.26 | crazy_bus | dondelelcaro: will fsck fix the apt-get problem? |
| 10:27.30 | EdLin | !tell helloyo -about marillat |
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| 10:28.02 | helloyo | EdLin: thanks a lot! just getting back into debian, absolutely perfect for me |
| 10:28.15 | Arafangio1 | crazy: At this point, apt-get is the least of your concerns. |
| 10:28.29 | EdLin | helloyo: np |
| 10:29.03 | liable | 118 bugs to go! |
| 10:29.14 | liable | hrm, it was that the other day iirc.. |
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| 10:29.44 | crazy_bus | rebooting to fsck |
| 10:30.44 | mcnaft | when I do apt-get update, it keeps stopping at 99% [19 Sources gzip 0] |
| 10:31.05 | liable | kill it, should be ok, or try another mirror |
| 10:31.34 | liable | mcnaft: i had that a whils back, just ^c and then upgrade still worked |
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| 10:32.51 | mcnaft | ok |
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| 10:33.44 | mcnaft | I removed opera: deb http://deb.opera.com/opera testing non-free and it works now |
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| 10:36.39 | liable | !seen simonrvn |
| 10:36.40 | dpkg | simonrvn <i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 10d 9h 55m 50s ago, saying: 'ohnoz, covenience'. |
| 10:37.36 | mcnaft | which linux-source-2.6.* should I install? |
| 10:37.56 | liable | the one for your kernel version.. |
| 10:38.43 | crazy_bus | fsck has come up with; what should I do? has deleted/unused inode 195503. Clear<y> |
| 10:39.23 | liable | ewww, when you get that from fsck, things arent too rosy |
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| 10:39.38 | mcnaft | liable: how do I find that out? |
| 10:39.44 | liable | dont touch the disk, back it up and then play |
| 10:39.51 | liable | mcnaft: uname -r |
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| 10:40.17 | mcnaft | I have 2.4.27-2-386, so how does that tell me what to install? |
| 10:40.24 | scx | Hey guys I want to make a Debian bootable usb but I wander what makes the Knopppix to boot succesfully in so may environments, is it just the Kernel? |
| 10:40.24 | crazy_bus | liable, what do you mean? |
| 10:40.43 | liable | crazy_bus: you have a disk thats not happy |
| 10:40.58 | liable | mcnaft: kernel-source-2.4.27 |
| 10:41.09 | crazy_bus | I know. What should I do about it? |
| 10:41.17 | liable | back it up |
| 10:41.27 | crazy_bus | then what? |
| 10:41.44 | liable | throw it away? |
| 10:41.51 | crazy_bus | why? |
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| 10:42.20 | crazy_bus | the errors only appear on my "/" partition. Never on my "/home" one |
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| 10:42.27 | mcnaft | liable: I don't understand, I have 2.4, and want 2.6.*, shouldn't I install linux-source-2.6.*? |
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| 10:42.53 | liable | mcnaft: why do you want the source for a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 10:43.05 | mcnaft | so I can build a 2.6 kernel? |
| 10:43.06 | liable | crazy_bus: continue then. |
| 10:43.16 | mcnaft | am I missing something? |
| 10:43.19 | liable | mcnaft: why do you want to *build* one? |
| 10:43.30 | scx | What should I do? 1) install Knoppix and 'Debianize' it, or 2) Start with Debian and customize it ? |
| 10:43.31 | crazy_bus | should say yes to clear or no? |
| 10:43.33 | utab | I read the manual for sources.list but one point is not clear for me. What is the difference between "deb" and "deb-src" because on my local mirrors I am getting some error messages |
| 10:43.44 | mcnaft | liable: I want to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 10:43.59 | liable | utab: deb-src is for downloading debian source packages |
| 10:44.10 | liable | mcnaft: why nor just install a debian image? |
| 10:44.31 | mcnaft | because it didn't work for some reason, so I'm going to compile instead |
| 10:44.36 | utab | liable: and deb for debian packages |
| 10:44.48 | mcnaft | plus so I can customize more |
| 10:45.07 | liable | utab: deb for binaries, yes. most people dont use deb-src very much |
| 10:45.41 | mcnaft | I just want to know which version of 2.6 to install |
| 10:45.48 | mcnaft | which one is stable |
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| 10:46.55 | mcnaft | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.19.2 |
| 10:46.56 | utab | liable:that was the question, my problem is that after update I am getting a warning that there are duplicate entries, when I comment out the line with "deb-src" it is ok but I am not sure if it is downloading some files because it is not giving any size or file indications |
| 10:46.58 | mcnaft | says kernel.org |
| 10:47.29 | liable | utab: paste your sources.list i'll brb in a sec |
| 10:47.34 | liable | !paste |
| 10:47.34 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 10:47.39 | liable | utab: paste the error too |
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| 10:48.35 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know any software to organize and search your PDF files? |
| 10:49.10 | petemc | swish-e can index them |
| 10:50.11 | Knight_Lord | Anything better than that? |
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| 10:50.19 | nysosym | hi all |
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| 10:50.49 | nysosym | debian is so much faster than ubuntu, wow :D |
| 10:51.19 | liable | really? |
| 10:51.38 | nysosym | liable: yes |
| 10:52.10 | nysosym | firefox/iceweasel, starts i the half time, synaptic run so fast etc... |
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| 10:53.31 | badbugs | Gnome too |
| 10:53.35 | fireba11 | hm .. shouldn't make that much fo a difference .. ah well |
| 10:53.44 | utab | liable: the src:http://de.pastebin.ca/331876 and messages:http://de.pastebin.ca/331877 I used the kuleuven mirrors for these messages |
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| 10:55.56 | liable | utab: what are those kuleuven mirrors for? |
| 10:56.11 | liable | utab: those are the problem |
| 10:56.27 | liable | free isp mirrors? |
| 10:57.53 | utab | liable: since I am in Belgium Leuven , these are the mirrors provided by the university and debian website they seem to be secondary mirrors |
| 10:58.16 | liable | utab: just comment them for a day or two |
| 10:58.46 | utab | liable : this problem persists with these mirrors for over two weeks maybe more |
| 10:58.53 | liable | utab: mirrors often get out of whack, when they do, just try another |
| 10:59.02 | liable | utab: mail the admin |
| 10:59.08 | utab | liable: where are u now in europe ? |
| 10:59.21 | liable | utab: no, i live in .au |
| 10:59.52 | utab | liable :hmmm, I try German mirrors then but commentin out "deb-src" s |
| 11:00.51 | liable | utab: the duplicate is because you have one line with main, then one with main contrib non-free, just delete the one that only has main |
| 11:01.07 | liable | for the same mirror |
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| 11:10.21 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:10.21 | dpkg | <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
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| 11:10.52 | EdLin | !botabuse |
| 11:10.52 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 11:11.02 | liable | !fuck EdLin |
| 11:11.15 | liable | goddamn whover deleted that cmd |
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| 11:11.31 | EdLin | !ginzersmite liable |
| 11:11.36 | liable | !curse whoever deleted the fuck cmd |
| 11:11.37 | dpkg | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, whoever deleted the fuck cmd! |
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| 11:12.10 | EdLin | !yinzersmite liable |
| 11:12.23 | liable | EdLin: get it right! |
| 11:13.16 | liable | gian iggle doesnt seem to make sense to me |
| 11:13.39 | EdLin | yeah, I can't figure that one out either. |
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| 11:14.42 | liable | wheres nvc when you need him.. |
| 11:14.47 | liable | nvz |
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| 11:16.27 | EdLin | !smite liable |
| 11:16.50 | pe3r | !lwresd |
| 11:16.54 | EdLin | darned, I haven't been here in a while - forgot all the *smites |
| 11:16.58 | pe3r | what is lwresd? |
| 11:17.02 | pe3r | !lwres |
| 11:17.36 | liable | EdLin: you cant call !botabuse and then abuse the bot! |
| 11:17.52 | EdLin | liable: heh |
| 11:18.24 | pe3r | lwresd is the daemon providing name lookup services to clients that use the BIND 9 lightweight resolver library. It is essentially a stripped- down, caching-only name server that answers queries using the BIND 9 lightweight resolver protocol rather than the DNS protocol. |
| 11:18.26 | pe3r | google helps |
| 11:18.27 | pe3r | :) |
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| 11:18.47 | liable | !irritate EdLin |
| 11:18.48 | dpkg | EdLin: Y iz debain so old? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 11:18.57 | pe3r | lol @ ^ |
| 11:19.00 | liable | thats enough! stop it! |
| 11:19.09 | liable | :P |
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| 11:19.18 | EdLin | !lol |
| 11:19.18 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 11:19.58 | pe3r | hahahaha @ ^ then |
| 11:20.04 | liable | heh |
| 11:20.10 | EdLin | liable: I've found a neat firefox extention, conkeror (conkeror.mozdev.org), it makes Iceweasal keyboard-driven and look like Emacs. |
| 11:20.22 | liable | eeek |
| 11:20.29 | liable | i have never tried emacs |
| 11:20.39 | liable | i dont really want to either |
| 11:20.51 | EdLin | liable: it doesn't really make it into Emacs, just a few of the keyboard commands. |
| 11:20.53 | liable | unless theres some damn good reason to |
| 11:20.56 | cydork | EdLin: it's not useful if you use other extensions.. |
| 11:21.14 | cydork | hit-a-key is much better. |
| 11:21.53 | EdLin | cydork: I haven't tried hit-a-key. |
| 11:21.53 | liable | what is hit-a-key? |
| 11:22.04 | liable | a extension? |
| 11:22.06 | liable | an |
| 11:22.17 | EdLin | liable: it also has a vi mode... |
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| 11:22.38 | cydork | liable: yep |
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| 11:23.02 | Assassin5 | if i've added an entry to my proxy server's hosts file, which service should I restart to make it work? |
| 11:23.12 | giupy | i have recompiled my kernel, 2.6.18, without alsa but only with oss, for my ad1816a card, it is corretcly installed, how can i see on dmesg, and nmixer let me choose volume, however i can't listen audio |
| 11:23.12 | nvz | liable: I'm right here |
| 11:23.12 | liable | for firefox, i dont mind using my mouse |
| 11:23.12 | giupy | any idea ? |
| 11:23.12 | nvz | liable: the question is, what the hell would you need me for |
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| 11:23.27 | giupy | with precompiled 2.6.18 i didn't use alsa |
| 11:23.31 | liable | nvz: decode the yinzersmite for me :) |
| 11:23.40 | nvz | liable: oh.. Gian Iggle is a Grocery Store |
| 11:23.48 | liable | ah! |
| 11:24.01 | nvz | liable: the bums in pittsburgh push the buggies around with all their stuff in it |
| 11:24.02 | liable | htf do you get grocery store from that? |
| 11:24.31 | nvz | http://www.gianteagle.com/main/home.jsp |
| 11:24.50 | stew | the iggle is where you buy jumbo |
| 11:24.53 | liable | heh, okie, make sense just reading the url :) |
| 11:25.33 | liable | nvz: go back to bed! :) |
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| 11:25.34 | JarJarBinks | I set most of my environment in my .zshrc, and I would like to call a program (wyrd) where the variables are not set, so I try xterm zsh which should set the environment, and I can run zsh -c wyrd, wich start my calendar, but running "xterm /bin/zsh -c wyrd" gives "xterm: bad command line option '/bin/zsh'", how would I make xterm start with the shell zsh, which again starts the program wyrd? |
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| 11:26.16 | liable | giupy: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp noise?? |
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| 11:27.37 | JarJarBinks | giupy: that would equal sweet music |
| 11:27.55 | giupy | ? |
| 11:28.01 | giupy | don't understand you.... |
| 11:28.26 | giupy | liable: |
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| 11:28.38 | crazy_bus | Does fsck -c tell you if it found bad blocks? |
| 11:28.42 | EdLin | JarJarBinks: xterm -e foo |
| 11:28.44 | liable | yes |
| 11:28.59 | giupy | liable: i don't understand what do you mean |
| 11:29.11 | liable | giupy: its a command |
| 11:29.19 | JarJarBinks | EdLin: :) indeed it works, thank you |
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| 11:29.31 | liable | giupy: type what i wrote, but without 'noise' |
| 11:29.33 | crazy_bus | for me it just said "/dev/hda1: ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****" does that mean I have bad blocks? |
| 11:29.36 | giupy | liable: yes but .... |
| 11:29.46 | giupy | liable: nothing happends |
| 11:29.48 | liable | no buts or ifs! |
| 11:29.59 | liable | giupy: then you have no sound! |
| 11:30.09 | liable | giupy: are you in audio group? |
| 11:30.17 | giupy | liable: yes |
| 11:30.30 | liable | giupy: and you didnt just add yourself? |
| 11:30.31 | giupy | however root too canìt listen sound |
| 11:30.40 | liable | root cant? |
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| 11:30.46 | giupy | liable: no |
| 11:30.58 | giupy | liable: ehehhe |
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| 11:31.05 | giupy | Sound: DMA (output) timed out - IRQ/DRQ config error? |
| 11:31.08 | giupy | from dmesg |
| 11:31.10 | giupy | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.13 | liable | yikes |
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| 11:31.27 | giupy | i must set the right params |
| 11:31.39 | liable | giupy: i dunno much about irq issues |
| 11:31.48 | liable | someone else here might |
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| 11:32.00 | giupy | liable: i dunno too |
| 11:32.02 | antlarr | hi |
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| 11:32.20 | giupy | liable: how can i see the right paramsa restarting with the kernel that goes ? |
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| 11:33.15 | valdyn | crazy_bus: it was modified while you ran fsck ? |
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| 11:33.42 | antlarr | I'm using unstable in an x86 system, and openoffice is acting weird. Everytime I run any of the apps of the suite it tells me there's another instance using my personal configuration or the configuration is blocked |
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| 11:33.57 | crazy_bus | valdyn, I ran fsck -c and it went though all the stages and then came up with the modified message |
| 11:34.09 | valdyn | crazy_bus: was /dev/hda1 mounted? |
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| 11:34.21 | antlarr | I already tryied removing the ~/.openoffice.org2 directory and /tmp/OSL_PIPE_* |
| 11:34.24 | Mazingaro | please, how can I change xchat/iceape/... application fonts from kde? |
| 11:34.31 | antlarr | any idea? |
| 11:34.36 | crazy_bus | It was not mounted |
| 11:34.38 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 11:34.39 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 starving hamsters. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 11:34.39 | nvz | liable: you're the 2nd person to suggest going back to bed this morning. however I am not going to tell you that because I got you to talk to, I dont need to sleep to dream. |
| 11:35.02 | antlarr | hehe |
| 11:35.10 | nvz | liable: I already used that line, and you're not all that dreamy to me.. sorry. |
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| 11:35.27 | crazy_bus | valdyn, do you know if it means I have bad blocks? |
| 11:35.28 | liable | nvz: what line? |
| 11:35.35 | valdyn | Mazingaro: a) you use the gtk theme that 'emulates' kde, or b) you edit ~/.gtkrc-2.0 by hand |
| 11:35.52 | Mazingaro | valdyn: which theme? |
| 11:36.02 | Mazingaro | valdyn: how can I install it? I'm using kde |
| 11:36.27 | liable | nvz: what? you dont find a person you kinda know over irc, that could be a freak for all you know, at all sexy??? :( |
| 11:36.32 | valdyn | Mazingaro: apt-get install gtk2-engines-geramik |
| 11:36.57 | valdyn | Mazingaro: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch |
| 11:37.14 | craigevil | Mazingaro: apt-get install gtk-qt-engine then open kcontrol |
| 11:37.16 | valdyn | Mazingaro: and run gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 11:37.29 | Mazingaro | ok thanks |
| 11:37.33 | nvz | liable: no, but then again I'm already in love and all shook up |
| 11:37.34 | valdyn | Mazingaro: ops, i gave you the wrong theme |
| 11:37.38 | valdyn | Mazingaro: rest is ok |
| 11:37.46 | Mazingaro | I'm running plastik |
| 11:38.07 | valdyn | Mazingaro: whatever you run the right gtk2 theme will make gtk look like the current kde theme |
| 11:38.13 | EdLin | Mazingaro: gtk qt-curve seems to be a good theme for that |
| 11:38.18 | nvz | liable: and for all I know we dont have a compatible hardware interface anyhow.. heh |
| 11:38.40 | valdyn | Mazingaro: or you can leave themes be as they are and just pick a different font with gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 11:38.55 | liable | nvz: we dont indeed at all.. it was what i like to think was a mix of sarcasm and humour :P |
| 11:39.01 | nvz | man I amaze myself sometimes with my similies and metaphors |
| 11:39.14 | herbi | hi guys, as part of xserver-xorg-core pkg in deb unstable, the file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so is included |
| 11:39.20 | valdyn | Mazingaro: gtk2-engines-qtpixmap is one theme that 'emulates' kde |
| 11:39.21 | liable | you confuse and annoy me :P |
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| 11:39.27 | herbi | and i have removed this file and symlinked to the libglx.so provided by NVIDIA drivers |
| 11:39.32 | nvz | you should have heard me talking about orchestra instruments last night.. heh |
| 11:39.32 | Mazingaro | valdyn: thanks |
| 11:39.43 | jelly-home | nvz: hey, your last three lines weren't referring to any song lyrics, are you losing it? |
| 11:39.45 | herbi | but everytime i do an apt-get upgrade and xserver-xorg-core is included, the symlink gets overwritten |
| 11:39.55 | nvz | jelly-home: haha |
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| 11:40.01 | herbi | anyone got any ideas how i can stop apt/dpkg from overwriting this single file? |
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| 11:40.49 | valdyn | Mazingaro: hmmm gtk-qt-engine is probably better for you, use whatever you like, i guess |
| 11:40.52 | herbi | anyone? |
| 11:41.00 | liable | herbi: put the package on hold. you have a ati or nvidia card? why dont you want it overwriten? |
| 11:41.27 | herbi | liable, because if you overwrite it then it uses the non nvida glx module |
| 11:41.33 | liable | right |
| 11:41.42 | herbi | but i dont want to put the package on hold |
| 11:41.43 | valdyn | herbi: why don't you install nvidia drivers the debian way ? |
| 11:42.05 | herbi | nevermind ill just add a line to rc.local |
| 11:42.10 | liable | nvz: nice to see you have found love |
| 11:43.43 | nvz | liable: eh.. I dunno about that. I found it a long time ago. I just feel like I can express it now :P |
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| 11:45.53 | Ebbs | Hi. What can I do to show xhtml files in the internet properly? : !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 ..... If Im opening the file from the internet, I only get the source code. If I copy the source code to an empty file and if im starting this file, normal look works. What can I do to see the internet page in its normal way? |
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| 11:46.15 | Thug-N-Me | hi |
| 11:46.20 | Ebbs | what packages ive got to install? |
| 11:46.27 | Thug-N-Me | does anyone have a nice guide to install postfixadmin ? |
| 11:47.00 | liable | Ebbs: try restarting your browser |
| 11:47.30 | Ebbs | liable, thats not the problem! |
| 11:47.46 | herbi | also |
| 11:47.57 | herbi | i have linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 installed |
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| 11:48.06 | liable | Ebbs: ok! |
| 11:48.11 | herbi | anyone know what is the correct deb package that contains the source tree used to build this kernel? |
| 11:48.19 | herbi | all i could find was linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 11:48.30 | Thug-N-Me | anyone ? |
| 11:48.37 | Ebbs | liable, maybe its the page, which does not work fine, because on another PC it doesnt work neither! |
| 11:48.55 | herbi | oh nvm figured it |
| 11:48.59 | metrics_ | Ebbs: The web server is configured incorrectly. |
| 11:48.59 | metrics_ | And no need to yell! |
| 11:49.10 | Trewas | Ebbs: sounds like the web server is sending wrong mime-type so the browser thinks it shouldn't render it as html |
| 11:49.26 | Ebbs | an example: http://fsn.by.schule.de:81/svn/arktur4/Dokumentation/html-Version/Administratorhandbuch/Ftp.htm |
| 11:49.37 | Mazingaro | valdyn: where can I configure gtk-qt-engine? |
| 11:50.21 | Trewas | Ebbs: I was right, the http server says that the page is "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8" |
| 11:50.35 | Ebbs | Trewas, and ??? |
| 11:50.47 | craigevil | Mazingaro: open kcontrol>Appearance & Themes> Gtk Styles |
| 11:51.02 | Ebbs | Trewas, .. it should be html? |
| 11:51.25 | Mazingaro | craigevil: there's no gtk styles :( |
| 11:51.40 | Trewas | Ebbs: the browser shows the page as normal text, like the server says it should... some other browsers (IE) guess the type based on the content, so it may work there, the right way is to fix the server to send correct mime-type |
| 11:51.47 | craigevil | Mazingaro: did you install gtk-qt-engine |
| 11:51.56 | Mazingaro | craigevil: yes |
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| 11:52.18 | Ebbs | thx |
| 11:52.23 | craigevil | try looking under kmenu>Settings |
| 11:52.36 | Mazingaro | craigevil: is there |
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| 11:54.10 | Ebbs | Trewas, yeah, it works with IE, thx |
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| 11:54.48 | Trewas | Ebbs: my firefox has View / View as / Web Page option which also works, probably from an extension though |
| 11:56.27 | Ebbs | Trewas, k thx |
| 11:56.38 | Trewas | that extension http://www.spasche.net/mozilla/ if anyone cares, quite useful when some servers use weird mime-types for source code files etc |
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| 11:58.49 | Mazingaro | craigevil: xchat and firefox are ok, but iceape not... :( |
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| 12:01.09 | Thug-N-Me | is it better to send all outgoing mail via another SMTP server which my isp provide me , or send them by myself ? |
| 12:01.15 | Thug-N-Me | talking about postfix |
| 12:01.58 | petemc | Thug-N-Me: depends if your ip is on any rbls |
| 12:02.11 | Thug-N-Me | only what ? |
| 12:02.20 | petemc | whos das dogs dead? |
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| 12:05.21 | fantomas | liable: well, I've installed debian finally - done as you said: deselected everything in tasksel. Now I have working system (chatting from it). But there is one more issue with installation: right after tasksel (where I delesected all items) installer marked to download 17 packages. But after it downloaded the last one ("retreiving 17 of 17.." message under progress bar) it stoped. I waited for about 20 minutes but nothing goes on. Then I killed the proce |
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| 12:06.18 | fantomas | I've saved install syslog, need I send it somewhere? |
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| 12:09.14 | fantomas | does anybody see what I type? |
| 12:09.19 | loca|host | am trying to connect to my debian box from putty on windows, it's saying access denied and keyboard-interactive authentification ... |
| 12:09.21 | loca|host | any idea ? |
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| 12:10.47 | pitillo | loca|host, how is your server configured?, do you allow pass autentication? did you take a look to hosts.deny? |
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| 12:10.53 | fireba11 | fantomas: yes of course |
| 12:11.05 | valdyn | loca|host: keyboard-interactive just means that you can enter a password to authenticate |
| 12:11.18 | ma3x | what package should I install to have libtcl? |
| 12:11.18 | fantomas | fireba11: fine, just to be sure :) |
| 12:11.27 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.48 | valdyn | !tell ma3x -about search |
| 12:11.52 | ma3x | in what packages are libtcl.so tcl.h to be found |
| 12:12.04 | fireba11 | fantomas: that seems to ahve been apt-get downloading security updates .. just run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade again |
| 12:12.05 | ma3x | valdyn: I tried, it gives me some useless package |
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| 12:12.13 | liable | fantomas: i meant to install without the network connected at all. but glad it worked |
| 12:12.18 | valdyn | ma3x: gives what? |
| 12:12.36 | valdyn | ma3x: why aren't you able to find tcl.h? |
| 12:12.45 | liable | fantomas: its obviously a bug, i dunno how to chose a different mirror for the installer, or even which one it uses |
| 12:12.47 | valdyn | !find tcl.h |
| 12:12.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tcl.h' (6 of 36): (/usr/lib/perl5/Tk/pTk/tcl.h) in perl/perl-tk ;; (/usr/include/oop-tcl.h) in libdevel/liboop-dev ;; (/usr/include/plplot/pltcl.h) in math/plplot-tcl-dev ;; (/usr/include/kde/keditcl.h) in libdevel/kdelibs4-dev ;; (/usr/include/tcl8.4/expect_tcl.h) in devel/expect-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/saods9/xpadoc/tcl.html) in science/saods9. |
| 12:13.13 | ma3x | so what is it perl-tk |
| 12:13.29 | valdyn | ma3x: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 12:13.41 | liable | fantomas: s/bug/probably something wrong with the mirror/ |
| 12:13.44 | ma3x | can't you just tell me which one is the right package? |
| 12:13.48 | valdyn | !find tcl\.h |
| 12:13.54 | DougK | Hi ! i just installed debian sarge to my sony vaio pcg-955c laptop with Vesa... the resolution goes only up to 640x480... how can i get a different resolution? |
| 12:14.27 | liable | DougK: chose the correct driver for your graphics chipset |
| 12:14.45 | liable | DougK: personally, if its a personal laptop, i would install etch |
| 12:14.59 | liable | DougK: its pretty damn close to being released |
| 12:15.43 | valdyn | ma3x: dpkg doesnt list the complete results, use apt-file for that |
| 12:15.51 | liable | ma3x: dude, surely we have told you the search factoid a hundred times now? ARE YOU JUST SLOW OR LAZY? |
| 12:16.02 | DougK | thx |
| 12:16.02 | liable | whoops |
| 12:16.13 | liable | that wasnt supposed to be CAPS |
| 12:17.04 | liable | though perhaps caps is relevant :) |
| 12:17.04 | ma3x | liable: shut up man |
| 12:17.08 | ma3x | don't you see that's not the problem |
| 12:17.22 | ma3x | valdyn: it might be that the path containing Tcl library should be set |
| 12:17.33 | valdyn | ma3x: hardly |
| 12:17.42 | valdyn | ma3x: install the right package |
| 12:17.46 | ma3x | it says so bash/ksh: |
| 12:17.46 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.18 | ma3x | valdyn: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5204 |
| 12:18.21 | ma3x | there ya go |
| 12:18.22 | valdyn | ma3x: you don't need this, just install the right package |
| 12:18.27 | valdyn | ma3x: geez |
| 12:18.29 | ma3x | valdyn: I want to compile it |
| 12:18.36 | mcnaft | Any graphical programs to monitor cpu & ram? |
| 12:18.48 | valdyn | ma3x: you want to compile tcl? |
| 12:19.03 | ma3x | valdyn: no, eggdrop! |
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| 12:19.12 | valdyn | ma3x: so install tcl |
| 12:19.30 | valdyn | ma3x: i'll be quiest, you got told everything |
| 12:19.48 | strid | according to the wireshark downloads page, wireshark is a standard package in Debian; how do I access it on a debian system? |
| 12:20.00 | valdyn | strid: in sarge? |
| 12:20.14 | ma3x | valdyn: what package? |
| 12:20.20 | ma3x | and how do you use apt-get to find tcl.h ? |
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| 12:20.30 | valdyn | ma3x: that's not funny |
| 12:20.34 | valdyn | !tell ma3x -about search |
| 12:21.00 | valdyn | strid: in which debian release? sarge? |
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| 12:21.37 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My network interface has got 3 static IP adresses. I need one more ip address on that interface, which would be set via dhcp. Is it possible such configuration? How would the 'interfaces' file look like? |
| 12:22.19 | strid | valdyn: it doesn't say |
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| 12:22.30 | valdyn | strid: 'cat /etc/debian_version' |
| 12:22.39 | valdyn | strid: im sure it 'sais' on your console |
| 12:22.46 | strid | 3.1 |
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| 12:23.13 | valdyn | strid: ok, sarge, run 'apt-get install ethereal', wireshark is just a new nname |
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| 12:23.29 | ma3x | valdyn: it was tcl8.4-dev and I hadn't run apt-file update. thanks got it now |
| 12:23.31 | strid | ah yes, I don't have root either |
| 12:23.33 | strid | am I out of luck? |
| 12:23.53 | valdyn | strid: yes, cant install debian packages w/o root |
| 12:23.57 | strid | oh well |
| 12:24.03 | valdyn | strid: beside that, that program is quite useless w/o root |
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| 12:24.10 | strid | oh |
| 12:24.36 | valdyn | strid: its a network sniffer, only root can sniff. |
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| 12:26.51 | strid | I think I'm going to have to apply tear gas to the windows lab so I can get a computer and finish this assignment, then |
| 12:28.12 | liable | some people you cant seem to teach.. |
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| 12:28.21 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 12:28.32 | liable | hi dr nick! |
| 12:28.34 | valdyn | assignment to 'sniff' public networks.. funny |
| 12:28.41 | Thug-N-Me | how do i use MD5 passwords ? |
| 12:28.50 | valdyn | Thug-N-Me: why bother? |
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| 12:28.59 | Thug-N-Me | valdyn why not ? |
| 12:29.09 | valdyn | Thug-N-Me: because its the default in debian? |
| 12:29.24 | Thug-N-Me | valdyn INSERT INTO mailbox (username,password,name,maildir) VALUES ('user@domain.tld','$1$DOrHOomo$U6MleaFKGwWLB3iS9P1Yx0','Mailbox User','user@domain.tld/'); |
| 12:29.35 | Thug-N-Me | valdyn will that table know about it ? |
| 12:29.37 | Thug-N-Me | ^^^ |
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| 12:30.23 | valdyn | Thug-N-Me: i cant help you, guess pam has a plugin for that, but im not familiar with it |
| 12:30.38 | faber3 | whats a good package to quickly setup an ftp server for non-passwd users ? |
| 12:30.41 | valdyn | Thug-N-Me: 'that' = storing user data in a sql db |
| 12:30.45 | Thug-N-Me | so i better use text password |
| 12:31.05 | Thug-N-Me | valdyn yeah .. but mysql needs to know to use MD5 with the system |
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| 12:31.41 | nysosym | hi there |
| 12:32.00 | valdyn | faber3: why must you use ftp for this? |
| 12:32.18 | nysosym | i have a problem, i cannot mount my ntfs drives |
| 12:32.23 | nysosym | here are the line in fstab |
| 12:32.25 | nysosym | /dev/sda1/media/musikntfs-fuse fmask=0111,dmask=0,locale=de_DE.utf8 0 0 |
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| 12:33.08 | nysosym | when i click on the specific icon in nautilus, these failure pops up mount: only root can mount /dev/sda1 on /media/musik |
| 12:33.13 | nysosym | whats wrong? |
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| 12:33.26 | valdyn | nysosym: add 'user' to the options in fstab |
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| 12:33.51 | nysosym | only user? |
| 12:34.14 | nysosym | /dev/sda1/media/musikntfs-fuse fmask=0111,dmask=0,locale=de_DE.utf8,user 0 0 thats all? |
| 12:34.21 | valdyn | nysosym: right |
| 12:34.29 | nysosym | thx, brb :) |
| 12:34.40 | faber3 | valdyn: it does not have to be ftp. i nned a way to get a windows user access to upload a huge file. but i dont want him to be able to logon to the maschine. |
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| 12:35.18 | valdyn | !winscp |
| 12:35.39 | valdyn | !scponly |
| 12:35.43 | valdyn | !test |
| 12:35.43 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 12:35.46 | liable | winscp needs ssh? |
| 12:35.48 | faber3 | valdyn: winscp needs an account on the maschine |
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| 12:35.56 | liable | yes |
| 12:36.01 | valdyn | faber3: yea, sure, use scponly |
| 12:36.09 | valdyn | faber3: easier than setting up an ftp server |
| 12:36.19 | faber3 | valdyn: how does scponly work? |
| 12:36.52 | valdyn | faber3: replace the shell in /etc/passwd and that user can only copy, not login |
| 12:37.10 | faber3 | valdyn: ok, copy does not need the shell |
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| 12:37.43 | valdyn | faber3: logging in does, he will login, but that shell called 'scponly' restricts user access to only doing scp or sftp |
| 12:37.50 | faber3 | valdyn: but that user could copy to /tmp, right? |
| 12:38.02 | valdyn | faber3: yea |
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| 12:41.16 | liable | valdyn: is scponly newish? |
| 12:41.31 | valdyn | liable: don't think so |
| 12:41.36 | valdyn | !info scponly woody |
| 12:41.45 | valdyn | !info scponly sarge |
| 12:41.52 | dpkg | scponly: (Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.0-1sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 12:42.00 | liable | valdyn: another case of finding out something that my googlefoo was too weak to find :) |
| 12:42.09 | liable | oh |
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| 12:50.11 | nysosym | valdyn: hmmm now, nautilus says, that i didn't have permissions to read the content :-/ |
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| 12:52.19 | faber3 | valdyn: scponly does not work for me. i did the whole setup procedure (including compiling! the faked group.c), but still winscp does not connect (complaining about groups) |
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| 12:57.34 | valdyn | faber3: compiling? why? its all in debian |
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| 12:57.47 | valdyn | !wikifaq nysosym Permissions |
| 12:57.47 | dpkg | nysosym: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:58.25 | faber3 | valdyn: yes, the groups.c is, :-) the mere scponlyc does not work for me, you need a chroot environment |
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| 12:58.57 | nysosym | dpkg: thx, but these line works "out of the box" in ubuntu, /dev/sda1/media/musikntfs ro,user,auto,nls=utf8,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 12:59.27 | liable | nysosym: dpkg is a bot, and debian isnt ubuntu |
| 12:59.44 | faber3 | valdyn: are you talking about /usr/sbin/scponlyc or scponly ? |
| 13:00.03 | valdyn | faber3: scponly |
| 13:00.36 | nysosym | liable: ohh sry, thx valdyn. I know that debian isn't ubuntu, but ubuntu based on debian... :-/ |
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| 13:01.00 | valdyn | @based on |
| 13:01.05 | Ronin | based on not is |
| 13:01.25 | drako | Why I don't have ndiswrapper after installing the packages? |
| 13:01.36 | drako | erm ndiswrapper _modules_ |
| 13:01.56 | asg | drako: install module-assistant ; run m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 13:02.05 | liable | nysosym: its quite similar, but ubuntu does stuff that debian doesnt, though that fstab line looks fine to me |
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| 13:02.51 | liable | nysosym: you of course have a dir named /media/musik? |
| 13:02.57 | nysosym | Ronin: sure, sure, but there must only be a little failure in these fstab line, mounting and reading works like a chram with the root terminal... |
| 13:02.57 | valdyn | nysosym: those are 2 entirely different fstab lines |
| 13:03.04 | valdyn | nse: what does one have to do with the other? |
| 13:03.12 | nysosym | liable: yes |
| 13:03.46 | valdyn | nysosym: missing part is that you don't understand permissions |
| 13:03.49 | liable | nysosym: what does dmesg say when you plug the drive in? |
| 13:05.00 | nysosym | liable: NTFS-fs error (device sda1): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option locale. |
| 13:05.19 | faber3 | valdyn: but your binary is called /usr/sbin/scponlyc ? |
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| 13:05.37 | liable | nysosym: get rid of that nls bit (i cant say i have used it myself) |
| 13:05.43 | valdyn | faber3: nope |
| 13:06.00 | liable | nysosym: or seen it in man mount |
| 13:06.10 | faber3 | weird, scponly installs the scponlyc program for me, which does not work |
| 13:06.17 | liable | not to say it doesnt exist, and i'm too lazy to check |
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| 13:06.37 | Thug-N-Me | davecot or courier-imap ? |
| 13:06.39 | Thug-N-Me | :) |
| 13:06.41 | nysosym | liable: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7123/ |
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| 13:07.23 | valdyn | faber3: scponly: usr/bin/scponly |
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| 13:08.56 | faber3 | no i get "invalid characters in scp command!", it does not like the ~ |
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| 13:09.14 | valdyn | faber3: using which scp program? |
| 13:09.43 | valdyn | faber3: scp file computer: will go to the ~/ on computer, scp file computer:directory will go to ~/directory/ |
| 13:09.48 | faber3 | valdyn: yes, for testing |
| 13:10.21 | valdyn | faber3: only 'scp file computer:/<dir> will go to the root dir |
| 13:10.36 | faber3 | valdyn: ok, /usr/bin/scponly works now with scp but winscp still complains about groups |
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| 13:11.34 | valdyn | faber3: /usr/share/doc/scponly/README.Debian |
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| 13:12.54 | faber3 | the group patch i can only use in the chroot version which i dont use, cause it does not work (even with the groups program). so i cannot really get this working. |
| 13:12.58 | toad_ | anyone here use the nvidia driver? on sarge, it isn't working for me... i just reinstalled it, it appears to be installed, the debian packages don't work (won't build) so i used the download from the web site... glxgears is showing 5-11fps... |
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| 13:13.07 | Thug-N-Me | Postfix Configuration General type of configuration? what should i select ? |
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| 13:13.25 | christopherl | someone know what's the ant command do in command line? |
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| 13:13.49 | valdyn | christopherl: read the manpage? |
| 13:14.15 | pingouin | Thug-N-Me: that's depends your needs |
| 13:14.38 | Thug-N-Me | pingouin i would like to enable it so people from outisde can connect o my mail server |
| 13:14.39 | christopherl | thanks |
| 13:14.46 | Thug-N-Me | pingouin accessing they account s |
| 13:14.58 | toad_ | christopherl: it builds java apps |
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| 13:15.03 | toad_ | christopherl: like make |
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| 13:15.40 | toad_ | maybe it would be easier to get the nvidia drivers working if i upgraded to etch? they seem to work on my other system... |
| 13:15.47 | christopherl | I have java sdk, but not cannot do the ant command in command line |
| 13:15.48 | toad_ | (which runs etch) |
| 13:16.03 | toad_ | christopherl: apt-get install ant? :) |
| 13:16.14 | christopherl | ok |
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| 13:20.21 | roe | any idea how to best diagnose what caused a kernel panic? |
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| 13:30.18 | Thug-N-Me | need a nice guide for postfix + mysql + web interface |
| 13:30.50 | Ronin | Thug-N-Me: www.google.com seriously :) |
| 13:31.24 | Thug-N-Me | looking already with not that much success |
| 13:31.34 | dorel__ | Thug-N-Me: try freshmeat |
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| 13:32.12 | Ronin | Thug-N-Me: then change your search pattern, as theres a ton out there |
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| 13:33.15 | Thug-N-Me | maybe but the onec i found are not completed |
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| 13:33.31 | Thug-N-Me | at some point it stops with the guide ;) |
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| 13:34.20 | idan | how can i check a if a password i've entered from my program maches /etc/passwd (lets say test user). what encryption it use? |
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| 13:35.04 | Ronin | Thug-N-Me: what do you mean a web interface? |
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| 13:35.28 | Thug-N-Me | Ronin squirrelmail |
| 13:35.33 | Thug-N-Me | horde .. |
| 13:35.36 | Thug-N-Me | roundcubemail |
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| 13:35.51 | Ronin | http://linux.justinhartman.com/Postfix_and_Courier_Installation_using_MySQL |
| 13:36.07 | Ronin | none easier then squirrelmail, hordes a major pain in the butt |
| 13:36.53 | streuner | some people prefer NON-PHP based webmail stuff |
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| 13:47.20 | dusty-sts | Hey guys I have an odd problem installing debian. I boot off the net install disk, hit linux or linux 2.6 at the boot prompt, it boots to the installed, I get to the part about partitioning disks and it errors saying: No Partionable Media Were Found, please check that a hard disk is attached to this machine. I'm guessing thats because I need to load the sata drivers first so it detects the disks in the install, how would I go |
| 13:48.16 | roe | is anything bad going to happen if I run memtest on a production machine? |
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| 13:49.03 | dusty-sts | roe, no |
| 13:49.09 | dusty-sts | roe, it doesn't harm the memory |
| 13:49.28 | streuner | dusty-sts: where did you download the iso (URL)? |
| 13:49.30 | roe | I'm not worried about it harming the memory I am worried about it upsetting the running proccesses |
| 13:49.52 | dusty-sts | streuner of the debian site |
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| 13:50.06 | streuner | dusty-sts: what's the exact URL? |
| 13:50.11 | cahoot | roe: AFAIK you have to boot into memtest |
| 13:50.16 | scx | Hello, I need few help installing Debian in a USB stick |
| 13:50.28 | roe | cahoot: oh... well that ain't gonna work |
| 13:50.33 | dusty-sts | streuner, two seconds. |
| 13:50.50 | scx | the installation fails to show me the sdb (which is my usb) |
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| 13:51.00 | dusty-sts | streuner, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 13:51.06 | roe | any way of testing the ram without rebooting? |
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| 13:51.15 | scx | I can only see hda and sda |
| 13:51.26 | scx | roe: noway |
| 13:51.27 | streuner | dusty-sts: how about to d-i (debian installer) etch? |
| 13:51.38 | streuner | dusty-sts: try* |
| 13:51.40 | cydork | dusty-sts: linux26 didn't work? then go for etch.. |
| 13:51.40 | jelly-home | roe: kernel building with high -j number in a loop for a couple of days |
| 13:51.55 | dusty-sts | cydork, no it did not... |
| 13:51.59 | scx | my flash is already partitioned even |
| 13:52.02 | dusty-sts | streuner, not tried that, where can i get it? |
| 13:52.12 | streuner | !d-i dusty-sts |
| 13:52.13 | dpkg | dusty-sts, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 13:52.21 | streuner | second URL |
| 13:52.28 | roe | well before I have to schedule some downtime for my mail server, any thoughts about how to diagnose a kernel panic? |
| 13:52.34 | dusty-sts | streuner, will that install etch though? I want stable... |
| 13:53.00 | streuner | dusty-sts: ok, just try "kmuto's" installer then |
| 13:53.04 | dusty-sts | ok |
| 13:53.07 | dusty-sts | url? |
| 13:53.13 | streuner | !listvals kmuto |
| 13:53.17 | scx | knoppix did the same so I guess is something with the debian config |
| 13:53.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'kmuto' by value (9): sarge 2.6.14 ;; stable 2.6.16 ;; hwcheck ;; sarge 2.6.12 ;; hcl ;; which driver ;; sarge 2.6.18 ;; driver locator ;; dl. |
| 13:53.26 | streuner | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 13:53.27 | dpkg | [sarge 2.6.18] if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 13:53.48 | craigevil | scx try looking at http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 13:54.10 | scx | craigevil: thanks, checking... |
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| 13:55.07 | dusty-sts | streuner, is this the one I want: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/2.6.19/netboot/netboot.tar.gz <-- is that the netinstall/sarge cd that will work with SATA drives? |
| 13:55.11 | dusty-sts | s/work/detect/ |
| 13:55.29 | jelly-home | roe: well if you cant figure out where in the core the panic happened and it's not something immediately suspicious, I guess the fine folks at lkml could be of help |
| 13:55.40 | jelly-home | roe: s/core/code/ |
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| 13:56.15 | roe | lkml? |
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| 13:57.22 | jelly-home | roe: linux kernel mailing list |
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| 13:58.27 | streuner | dusty: no idea, but you have a better chance with 2.6.18 or 2.6.19 kernels, SATA support is better. |
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| 13:59.00 | jelly-home | roe: if you're lucky, maybe someone from ##kernel could help |
| 13:59.23 | roe | jelly-home: thanks for the advice |
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| 14:01.54 | mcnaft | I just compiled a 2.6.19.2 kernel, and rebooted, and get "atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access hardware directly |
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| 14:02.27 | mcnaft | that line just floods the screen |
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| 14:08.13 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:08.23 | Mazingaro | is there a lightscribe program for debian? |
| 14:08.47 | scx | no, no, the problem is not installing Debian FROM a usb, I can boot the cd, but I can't make it to letme install in sdb1 (usb-stick) |
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| 14:09.15 | scx | I can see in the partitioner just hda and sda |
| 14:09.21 | scx | knoppix did the same |
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| 14:09.46 | scx | I know it is recognized I can mount it and ummount it |
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| 14:10.09 | scx | I tried with ext3 and reiserfs |
| 14:10.36 | scx | Why? |
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| 14:10.38 | valdyn | mcnaft: keeps flooding the screen? |
| 14:10.44 | mcnaft | yes |
| 14:11.01 | valdyn | mcnaft: that should be X doing this |
| 14:11.17 | valdyn | mcnaft: google for the error |
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| 14:11.45 | scx | is it the disk space? I have 1GB it should be enough... |
| 14:12.30 | valdyn | scx: that error has nothing to do with free diskspace |
| 14:12.50 | valdyn | scx: is that stick partitioned at all? |
| 14:12.59 | scx | yes |
| 14:13.12 | scx | I can use it, partitioned and formated |
| 14:13.22 | valdyn | scx: from d-i? |
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| 14:13.31 | scx | 500m fat32 and 1.3GB ReiserFS |
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| 14:13.42 | scx | d-i? |
| 14:13.50 | valdyn | scx: the debian installer |
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| 14:14.04 | niksie | Hi all |
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| 14:14.16 | scx | no, I partiotioned and formated in an installed system |
| 14:14.34 | valdyn | scx: are you certain that that sda isnt really your usb stick? |
| 14:14.35 | niksie | I'm wondering if anyone is using a the MSI K9N platinum motherboard, because I'm thinking about buying it but I'm not sure how compatible it is? |
| 14:14.43 | scx | it is the d-i's partitioner the one that refuses to show the sdb drive |
| 14:14.47 | niksie | It uses the nvidia nforce 570 chipset |
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| 14:14.51 | valdyn | scx: that would be possible if d-i doesnt know your sata controller |
| 14:14.54 | scx | yes, completely sure man |
| 14:14.58 | scx | it should work |
| 14:15.02 | niksie | and some weird sort of dual internet interface thing |
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| 14:15.11 | scx | no, no,no |
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| 14:15.16 | niksie | s/internet/ethernet |
| 14:15.22 | scx | sdb is not a sata, it is a usb-stick |
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| 14:15.26 | gebruiker | Hi all |
| 14:15.35 | valdyn | scx: sda is though |
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| 14:15.48 | valdyn | scx: sdb becomes sda if 'real' sda isnt found |
| 14:15.50 | scx | sda is my sata |
| 14:15.50 | gebruiker | I'm in search of a program that allows me to stress test my PC, like memory,cpu etc... |
| 14:15.55 | gebruiker | what programs can I use? |
| 14:16.00 | scx | that I'm running right now |
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| 14:16.18 | valdyn | scx: look at /proc/partitions from your installer |
| 14:16.27 | niksie | gebruiker: yes > /dev/null |
| 14:16.38 | niksie | for cpu |
| 14:16.51 | scx | no, no, sda is detected properly with all it's partitions, hda also, sdb is detected but can not be sopened by the installer |
| 14:16.59 | valdyn | gebruiker: compile a kernel |
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| 14:17.12 | scx | err: sopened=opened |
| 14:17.12 | gebruiker | I want to test my hardware |
| 14:17.16 | gebruiker | stress test my hardware |
| 14:17.24 | valdyn | gebruiker: sure , you said that |
| 14:17.34 | gebruiker | overload mem and such, |
| 14:17.43 | gebruiker | ok costum kernel compile, any specific options/ |
| 14:17.43 | gebruiker | ? |
| 14:17.44 | scx | I can even mount sdb1 and sdb2 |
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| 14:18.09 | valdyn | scx: lsmod | grep hcd |
| 14:18.25 | valdyn | scx: do it from your currently running system, not the installer.. |
| 14:18.30 | scx | ? |
| 14:18.41 | valdyn | 15:16 < valdyn> gebruiker: compile a kernel |
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| 14:18.46 | mcnaft | I have compiled a 2.6.19 kernel and it is automatically set in grub, but I want to try 2.6.18 instead, so do I need to "uninstall" 2.6.19 now before I compile 2.6.18? |
| 14:18.55 | joyoftech | wouldn't grid computing stress the computer? |
| 14:18.57 | gebruiker | valdyn, yeah so? and then? |
| 14:19.10 | valdyn | gebruiker: nothing else, that IS a stress test |
| 14:19.10 | scx | valdyn: yes, |
| 14:19.16 | valdyn | gebruiker: pretty good one too |
| 14:19.23 | gebruiker | nah, that sucks |
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| 14:19.32 | valdyn | scx: run 'lsmod | grep hcd' |
| 14:19.37 | valdyn | !sucks |
| 14:19.37 | dpkg | Blow me! |
| 14:19.41 | valdyn | !sux |
| 14:19.42 | dpkg | hmm... sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 14:19.43 | gebruiker | valdyn, that doesn't even stress the system |
| 14:19.48 | scx | valdyn: what now? |
| 14:19.57 | scx | storage modules and such |
| 14:19.59 | valdyn | scx: paste the output ( not here ) |
| 14:20.00 | gebruiker | valdyn, doesn't even use all of the memory and overloads it etc.. |
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| 14:20.12 | scx | a sec... |
| 14:20.14 | valdyn | gebruiker: you dont really know what you are talking about. |
| 14:20.30 | valdyn | !memtest86 |
| 14:20.30 | dpkg | from memory, memtest is http://www.memtest.org/ . Also check out http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/, or check out the packages memtest86 and memtest86+, or "aptitude install memtest86+" and read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+, or for cpu temperature testing use the cpuburn package |
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| 14:20.39 | gebruiker | i need to memtest from the linux system |
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| 14:21.02 | scx | valdyn: #flood |
| 14:21.18 | valdyn | gebruiker: there's a 'memtest' program too, but compiling a kernel is better |
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| 14:21.48 | valdyn | scx: i wasn't there, paste again |
| 14:22.04 | niksie | I'm building a server that needs raid support and dual gigabit ethernet, what would be the best motherboard to go with? |
| 14:22.19 | scx | valdyn: done |
| 14:22.23 | gebruiker | valdyn, perhaps I was not clear enough. I need a whole suite of test tools that test my hardware, like benchmarking my hardware, such as mem,video,cpu etc... |
| 14:22.44 | scx | valdyn: usb_storage is loaded properly, I can mount my sdb1 and sdb2 |
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| 14:23.01 | valdyn | scx: tried loading usb_storage from d-i? |
| 14:23.07 | scx | I mean ins the d-i |
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| 14:23.19 | valdyn | scx: which d-i is this? |
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| 14:23.43 | scx | ↑ ::: 3.0 |
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| 14:23.54 | scx | Debian 3.1 r0a i386 Bin-1 |
| 14:24.04 | valdyn | gebruiker: benchmarking is something entirely different than testing |
| 14:24.20 | scx | the drive is not the problem but the installer |
| 14:24.26 | valdyn | gebruiker: apt-cache search benchmark |
| 14:24.31 | niles | when is etch estimated to be stable. |
| 14:24.40 | valdyn | scx: yep, so it seems |
| 14:24.50 | scx | niles: next century |
| 14:25.05 | niles | scx: seems it. |
| 14:25.08 | valdyn | !topicsmite niles |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon niles. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:25.10 | scx | valdyn: anyway to force it or skip it |
| 14:25.17 | scx | ? |
| 14:25.31 | valdyn | scx: you don't need the installer at all, you can use debootstrap |
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| 14:25.54 | niles | whats taking so long. |
| 14:26.04 | niles | there's probobly no one working on it. |
| 14:26.08 | scx | checking debootstrap... |
| 14:26.17 | niles | the wonders of open source. |
| 14:26.19 | valdyn | niles: yea, that's probably it, all 1500 dds are on vacation |
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| 14:27.25 | scx | hehe, well I'm on dial-up... debootstrap might be a bit too much |
| 14:27.35 | scx | dunno if supports cdrom |
| 14:27.37 | valdyn | gebruiker: btw, compiling a kernel is a quite common benchmark too ;), probably is its hard to compare |
| 14:27.41 | scx | don't think so |
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| 14:28.15 | scx | :( |
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| 14:29.54 | vaq | Hey, i know this ain't the right channel or anything but im going to try - Does anybody know what wallpaper this is: http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=78387474031430d25131&p=screen - And where to get it? |
| 14:31.34 | scx | valdyn: to use bootstrap I can just untar it in the partitionj and then make ot bootable, then boot from it, righ? |
| 14:32.04 | scx | ouch, awuful typing... |
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| 14:34.26 | valdyn | scx: i wouldnt know about tarballs, after running deboostrap you install a boot manager, that's all |
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| 14:34.50 | valdyn | scx: i wouldnt know about tarballs, after running deboostrap you chroot to the newly installed debian and install a boot manager, that's all |
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| 14:35.48 | scx | mmm, useless here then :`[ |
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| 14:39.18 | scx | I wander what's the typing speed of anyone here... |
| 14:39.20 | scx | ? |
| 14:39.33 | scx | I'm like 2 wph |
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| 14:41.10 | haary | I think I'll give up on the search for a free groupware solution. Too much is "still in development" (GroupDAV, Evolution for Windows, etc.). |
| 14:41.12 | x-x3 | you should work on your spelling first |
| 14:41.24 | x-x3 | haary: did you try horde? |
| 14:41.43 | x-- | it's a collaboration suite |
| 14:41.45 | scx | very hard, yes |
| 14:41.53 | haary | Yes, my boss wants no web-interface but a "real client" |
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| 14:42.14 | x-- | eh |
| 14:42.23 | x-- | kolab |
| 14:42.25 | x-- | :) |
| 14:42.33 | x-- | didn't try kolab myself yet |
| 14:42.40 | dorel__ | actually, egroupware is a fine solution. |
| 14:42.49 | x-- | i wouldn't use it in a production environment though |
| 14:42.56 | haary | x--: Kolab with what client? Outlook ?;-) |
| 14:43.10 | dorel__ | the dev guys are also really helpful |
| 14:43.32 | x-- | haary: visit their site for more info =/ |
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| 14:43.54 | x-- | they have extensions for thunderbird/lighting or something |
| 14:44.02 | haary | x--: I did, but there is no decent client for Windows (except alpha and beta software) |
| 14:44.09 | x-- | true |
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| 14:44.32 | x-- | that's why i said it's alright to test it, nothing serious |
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| 14:45.10 | dusty-sts | Hey guys, I have a pc with an ATI Radeon Xpress 200 Series Graphics Card in it, what driver would I need to load in order to get X to work properly? |
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| 14:45.13 | x-- | like dorel__ said, did you take a look at egroupware? |
| 14:45.23 | haary | And I can't tell my boss "we will use beta software". Of course he want's something stable |
| 14:45.43 | haary | Yes, egroupware is web-based too. |
| 14:45.45 | x-- | egroupware's been around for a while (some years i think) |
| 14:45.53 | x-- | um |
| 14:45.54 | x-- | =[ |
| 14:45.54 | haary | And it has not all wanted features |
| 14:46.06 | x-- | then horde =/ |
| 14:46.11 | x-- | i like horde |
| 14:46.24 | haary | horde is web-based |
| 14:46.26 | x-- | use horde and write a standalone client =] |
| 14:46.45 | Assassin5 | anyopne know of a prog that will tell me if there is more than one machine on my network with the same IP address? |
| 14:46.51 | iuso | package libapache2-mod-ngobjweb in unstable depends on apache2-common which doesn't exist, effectively preventing me from building opengroupware (for which there isn't proper debian packages available, thanks to opengroupware.org's hopelessly broken repo). anyone care to fix that if possible, pretty please? |
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| 14:47.02 | haary | x--: and who will pay the time for development? |
| 14:47.06 | iuso | or does anyone know how to tell apt to nevermind the broken dependency |
| 14:47.14 | x-- | haary: your boss? :P |
| 14:47.34 | haary | He rather will pay $$$ for a commercial solution |
| 14:47.46 | x-- | liek what? exchange? |
| 14:47.49 | x-- | *like |
| 14:48.04 | haary | No, he is considering Groupwise. At least something that runs on linux |
| 14:48.23 | x-- | maybe thats the best route |
| 14:48.28 | x-- | *that's |
| 14:48.30 | x-- | =] |
| 14:48.57 | justin | exchange is horrible :( |
| 14:49.13 | haary | Yeah, I begin to think so, too. We already have Groupwise 6, a upgrade to Groupwise 7 will cost us about 20.000 $ |
| 14:49.15 | justin | the calendar stuff is half decent, but the email is completely broken |
| 14:49.24 | PingFloyd | haary: he must be under the delusion that if it cost big $ there is some how accountability behind it |
| 14:50.31 | x-- | exchange is evil |
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| 14:50.43 | haary | Nobody wants exchange |
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| 14:51.09 | x-- | unfortunately my pda phone does |
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| 14:51.31 | x-- | stupid windows mobile |
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| 14:51.38 | PingFloyd | my little notepad doesnt :) |
| 14:51.55 | Tartarus | Hmm, is it OK to ask about debian-multimedia.org here? |
| 14:52.12 | biz | how can i force my system to check all filesystems on next reboot that are marked with the sixth field in fstab with >0? wasn't there a file that has to be created in /? and what about the options passed to fsck when run at bootup? this is a remote system i have to be sure it returns |
| 14:52.21 | x-- | i really hope i can install the new OSX for pda's on my phone =/ |
| 14:52.51 | Tartarus | biz, /forcefsck |
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| 14:53.04 | Tartarus | and.. |
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| 14:53.22 | Tartarus | /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:53.29 | Tartarus | first will make fsck happen |
| 14:53.35 | Tartarus | 2nd is where you can set -y to fix any problems |
| 14:53.43 | warlocky | is there a way to list everything from 0- my last command in "history" ? |
| 14:53.44 | biz | ok thanks Tartarus |
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| 14:54.23 | x-- | haary: is a groupware server. It comes with a native web-interface which allowes to access your data from any platform all over the planet. Moreover you also have the choice to access the eGroupWare server with your favorite groupware client (Kontact, Evolution, Outlook) and also with your mobile or PDA via SyncML. |
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| 14:54.37 | x-- | from their official site =/ |
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| 14:55.15 | Komerad | hello, the ' radeonfb ' is making pu computer crash at startup (after init 6) how can i change that? |
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| 14:55.50 | x-- | Komerad: reconfigure xorg |
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| 14:56.19 | warlocky | Is there a way to list everything in "history" command? I only get the stuff from 50-to my last command used |
| 14:56.20 | Komerad | no that is not it. My xorg ain't even having/using radeon driver |
| 14:57.00 | Komerad | its a 'radeon framebuffer device' that loads even befor xorg |
| 14:57.27 | pipeline | Komerad: Lesson learned: Don't use framebuffer. |
| 14:57.55 | Komerad | yeah problem is xorg is reconfigured to not use framebuffer anymore |
| 14:58.09 | Komerad | but that doesnt help :) |
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| 14:58.37 | Komerad | besides that i've been using framebuffer without issues befor |
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| 14:59.03 | Komerad | its since and i don't know when or how it wants to load that ' radeonfb' at boot |
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| 14:59.38 | Komerad | it loads without errors but all graphicals lock up the box instantly |
| 15:00.21 | Komerad | and as its not a part of the xorg configuration I don't know where or how to change that |
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| 15:04.07 | justin | Komerad: easy fix? delete radeonfb.ko |
| 15:04.32 | Komerad | u sure? |
| 15:04.56 | justin | or rename it, whatever |
| 15:05.10 | Komerad | thats a kernel module.. |
| 15:05.13 | justin | so? |
| 15:05.14 | agent | Komerad: do not delete modules, that is a very bad idea... if you do not want to load it, just block it in modules config |
| 15:05.23 | justin | agent: easier said than done |
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| 15:06.27 | agent | justin: why? just add an entry and it will be skipped |
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| 15:06.35 | justin | agent: if you say so |
| 15:06.40 | haary | x--: the access to egroupware with a standalone client is more or less theoretical, since it's "work in progress" |
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| 15:07.42 | agent | justin: i do say so :) that was the point of module blacklist right? |
| 15:07.49 | justin | agent: in theory |
| 15:07.52 | christopherl | how can I see who's the owner of a file in command line? |
| 15:08.23 | Komerad | agent can u be specific how its done? just comment out the radeonfb line? |
| 15:08.26 | PingFloyd | ain't that the truth, theory and practice don't always meet |
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| 15:10.04 | agent | justin: i have never heard it not working in practice so long as it's configured properly |
| 15:10.15 | Dewi | christopherl: ls -l gives you a pretty complete report |
| 15:10.28 | christopherl | thankx |
| 15:11.01 | agent | Komerad: see /etc/modprobe.d/ folder |
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| 15:11.44 | Komerad | ok i'm trying to work around now, this debian 'rescue' mode goves error from bterm when i try to use nano in rescue console |
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| 15:12.31 | agent | Komerad: you can jst add your own file in there and add a line "blacklist yourmodule" - that is best just in case an update overwrites the configs (it will not overwrite the one you make) |
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| 15:13.17 | Komerad | added line in blacklist file |
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| 15:14.08 | agent | Komerad: if it works, remove that line and create your own blacklist file (for example, /etc/modprobe.d/myblacklist and add the line to it (see above for reason) |
| 15:14.28 | Komerad | aah ok :) good idea |
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| 15:16.34 | agent | Komerad: just make sure to give it correct permissions - and i am not sure how it works if a program forces a modprobe - it may still load and in that case you may have to get rid of said program - removing the module is a bad idea for a lot of reasons, one simple reason is that an upgrade will re-add it :) |
| 15:17.15 | Komerad | it keeps loading it |
| 15:18.05 | agent | Komerad: what is? |
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| 15:18.31 | Komerad | the radeonfb |
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| 15:20.00 | Komerad | pff |
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| 15:20.20 | Komerad | this is gonna end with a format |
| 15:20.32 | medc | hello anyone use gdesklets??? |
| 15:20.37 | blondie | !anyone |
| 15:20.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 15:20.46 | agent | Komerad: i mean, what is loading the module |
| 15:21.01 | justin | Komerad: this is why I told you to delete the damn thing |
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| 15:21.10 | Komerad | that is what i'm trying to find out agent :[ |
| 15:21.43 | Komerad | well i gona do that right away justin |
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| 15:22.17 | christopherl | how can I change the access rights of a file using command line? |
| 15:22.22 | Komerad | i've kinda had it by now i'm searching 3 nights in a row on this |
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| 15:27.52 | agent | Komerad: depending on your system, you may also try editing /etc/modules and adding "alias modulename off" if you have hotplug /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/local and add "modulename" and last but not least, /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list adding line "alias modulename off" and make sure when you write modulename your write the module name, not the full filename! |
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| 15:28.11 | agent | christopherl: man chmod |
| 15:28.17 | warlocky | how to exit 'vi' ? |
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| 15:28.36 | warlocky | how to exit 'vi' ? |
| 15:28.37 | agent | warlocky: if you want to save changes :wq if you want to exit w/o saving :q! |
| 15:28.55 | christopherl | thanks |
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| 15:29.10 | warlocky | vi sucks |
| 15:29.31 | cahoot | no but it take some getting used to |
| 15:30.24 | Komerad | agent i'll try that but its a bit hard to work on it now.. the debian rescue boot is to minimal to do most things |
| 15:30.56 | agent | warlocky: http://www.vim.org/about.php |
| 15:31.05 | agent | Komerad: you just have to edit files :) |
| 15:31.12 | grout | nano is the best |
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| 15:32.18 | Hagfish2 | warlocky: "cream" is an extension to vi / vim gvim |
| 15:32.21 | Hagfish2 | non-modal |
| 15:32.27 | Hagfish2 | but the debian package for it seems to have bugs |
| 15:32.28 | Komerad | error opening terminal: bterm. on nano.. |
| 15:32.33 | Hagfish2 | and not work on the commandline |
| 15:33.02 | Komerad | any other editor that does work on that rescue console agent? |
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| 15:34.43 | Komerad | vi is :s |
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| 15:35.04 | agent | Komerad: i have never used it in truth... try vi or the generic editor (which links it to the default editor available) |
| 15:35.21 | agent | generic editor = editor |
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| 15:36.26 | Komerad | only vi works |
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| 15:36.47 | Komerad | and tbh i never used it as its to complex for what it is |
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| 15:36.53 | agent | Komerad: i just use a livecd or some cd that boots for rescue's, not that i have needed to use one in years |
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| 15:37.53 | Komerad | last reboot now |
| 15:37.57 | agent | :) |
| 15:38.00 | Komerad | will be a brand new install |
| 15:38.12 | Komerad | good me i have this in dual boot |
| 15:38.14 | agent | you tried all those module blacklisting methods i mentioned above? |
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| 15:38.38 | Komerad | no |
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| 15:38.42 | agent | oh |
| 15:38.43 | agent | :) |
| 15:38.48 | Komerad | i tried some |
| 15:38.55 | agent | you can try all of them at the same time :) |
| 15:38.59 | agent | to save you reboots |
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| 15:39.15 | gnat_x | hi folks, i'm trying to use gnomad2 to sync with this new mp3 gizmo i got (creative zen), and there is a recent version in etch. however my googling on why it doesn't work has turned up that i need libmtp, which is an implementation of ms(tm) media transfer protocol. this lib is in debian mentors, but not in etch. so my questions are: is there any good docs on building libs to work in debian? will i need to also then compile gnomad2? or libnjb (required lib |
| 15:39.48 | Komerad | but i need to unplug a disk to get prompted for root pass wich gives me a bit more options to edit stuff etc.. the rescue boot of the install dvd eeh is quiet worthless unless you know vi |
| 15:40.14 | agent | vi is ok :) |
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| 15:40.35 | gnat_x | i have never really done much in the way of building stuff that isn't handled by aptitude so i'm not sure what best practice would dictate. |
| 15:40.51 | agent | for simple editing just use 3 commands: i (to enter "edit mode"), ctrl+c (to exist edit mode) and :wq to save |
| 15:40.52 | Komerad | i'm used to nano.. its sipmle and does what an editor has to do |
| 15:41.12 | agent | its simple and does what a *simple* editor has to do :) |
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| 15:41.25 | agent | i would never use nano for anything advanced |
| 15:41.36 | Komerad | ok i give it one last shot |
| 15:41.37 | agent | that would be like using notepad for coding :D |
| 15:42.25 | Komerad | plugged out a disk again |
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| 15:42.35 | Komerad | will try ur last idea |
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| 15:47.29 | Komerad | agent did all you said and here we go... :) |
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| 15:48.38 | Komerad | screen doesn't change yet => thats good |
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| 15:49.18 | Komerad | OMG |
| 15:49.21 | J_P | hi all |
| 15:49.29 | Komerad | agent; you have been recommended for an award |
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| 15:50.57 | agent | Komerad: it worked? |
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| 15:51.50 | Komerad | yes! |
| 15:52.09 | whaq | hola |
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| 15:53.08 | Komerad | I know there are competent people like you onhere :) I spend 3 nights on this (most on locating the problem) |
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| 15:53.45 | agent | Komerad: nice! now you can try to figure out which one of those methods worked... my guess is the last one, but that is just me... the key is knowing how your system is setup - gnu/linux is very customizable which also means things work differently on different systems :) |
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| 15:53.52 | Komerad | agent can you tell me what the consequences are of 'blocking' that module? |
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| 15:54.21 | agent | Komerad: it just will not be loaded (so long as you do not use a different module loading method) |
| 15:54.45 | Komerad | Komerad: depending on your system, you may also try editing /etc/modules and adding "alias modulename off" if you have hotplug /etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/local and add "modulename" and last but not least, /etc/modprobe.d/bad_list adding line "alias modulename off" and make sure when you write modulename your write the module name, not the full filename! |
| 15:54.57 | Komerad | this is what i've done to get it working |
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| 15:56.18 | agent | Komerad: that is the only consequence of blocking modules... the nice thing is so long as you have an entry in the list, even if you upgrad the kernel (which will reinstall all modules) you are sitll safe - well, assuming some crazy kernel dev does not rename the module and that you added the line to a file that is not overwritten when upgraded |
| 15:57.05 | agent | Komerad: yeah, those are 3 different ways of blocking a module, only one of them worked for you and i would try to figure out which one - as i said, it is probably the 3rd one |
| 15:57.17 | Komerad | pasted your sollution to the forum i asked this on too |
| 15:57.22 | agent | :) |
| 15:57.38 | agent | which forum? |
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| 15:57.57 | Komerad | forum.linux.be |
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| 15:58.57 | bigwig | hi |
| 15:59.12 | bigwig | howto setup database quotas in postgresql? |
| 15:59.23 | whaq | Is there a way to get old backported package version from backports.org? |
| 15:59.24 | Komerad | agent : best thing for me to do is to undo this changes once in a while kernel upgrades to see if a new module does work? |
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| 15:59.57 | whaq | I'm particularly loooking for wine 0.9.23 (to 20) dpkg for sarge.. |
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| 16:02.42 | agent | Komerad: you are dutch? :) |
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| 16:02.57 | x-- | .be is not dutch |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | pipeline: ping |
| 16:03.01 | agent | Komerad: sure, you can try to undo the change... or just keep up with the changelog for that kernel |
| 16:03.01 | x-- | it's belgium |
| 16:03.20 | Komerad | hehe yeah |
| 16:03.22 | agent | yes |
| 16:03.24 | agent | i know |
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| 16:03.25 | x-- | gosh.. i hate this crap |
| 16:03.41 | agent | but lots of dutch people in belgium, no? |
| 16:03.46 | Komerad | hehe |
| 16:04.03 | Komerad | northern half of belgium speaks dutch |
| 16:04.13 | Komerad | our country is like canada |
| 16:04.18 | agent | southern french/engish, yes? |
| 16:04.28 | Komerad | southern speaks french |
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| 16:05.00 | agent | i never meant a french belgian... only dutch ones (that also speak french, but secondary) |
| 16:05.03 | agent | met |
| 16:05.14 | Komerad | we are a very very small country with 3 official languages : dutch, french, german |
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| 16:05.50 | agent | never heard of german! i thought it was dutch, french and english because everyone seems to know english there :) |
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| 16:06.05 | Komerad | yup we do :) |
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| 16:06.28 | agent | in america, people have a hard time with one language: english ;) |
| 16:06.39 | Komerad | i only speak dutch, english and have notes of german and french |
| 16:07.28 | Komerad | i can read german forums and understand the most of it but my writing contains lots of gramatical errors ;) |
| 16:07.35 | agent | dutch looks very strange to me: every word seems to be half french and half german :D |
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| 16:08.07 | dusty-sts | Hey guys I tried configuring xserver-xorg via dpkg-reconfigure and when I run startx I get the following error: Fatal server error: could not open default font fixed?? any ideas what this means, and how to fix it? |
| 16:08.09 | Komerad | yea it is :) becaus we are small and right in the middle of those |
| 16:08.11 | Alexc90 | hi! |
| 16:08.17 | agent | warum je ne sprache pas deutsch? :D |
| 16:08.17 | Alexc90 | i have a problem |
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| 16:08.28 | Komerad | hehe |
| 16:08.30 | Alexc90 | when i install the nvidia driver |
| 16:08.44 | Komerad | don't force me to answer in german or ppl will laugh :) |
| 16:08.49 | Alexc90 | the installer say : Unable to find the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel. |
| 16:09.00 | Komerad | lunch time! |
| 16:09.02 | Alexc90 | whitch is the package to intall? |
| 16:09.15 | bigwig | bye |
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| 16:09.17 | agent | lunch time in belgium? that's a late lunch! |
| 16:09.45 | Alexc90 | noboby can help me? |
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| 16:11.17 | Ronin | patience Alexc90 |
| 16:11.33 | Alexc90 | :D |
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| 16:12.36 | pipeline | abrotman: bat |
| 16:12.38 | crazy_penguin | good afternoon |
| 16:12.47 | Alexc90 | hi |
| 16:12.51 | abrotman | pipeline: were you the one whining about the upgrade removing your kernel ? |
| 16:14.09 | pipeline | abrotman: I don't think so. |
| 16:14.21 | abrotman | hrm .. it was p<something> |
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| 16:15.34 | abrotman | pipeline: you sure ? it was a week or two ago ... |
| 16:15.44 | abrotman | pipeline: and i told you to install the metapackage ? |
| 16:16.07 | pipeline | abrotman: Doesn't sound like me |
| 16:16.22 | JordiGH | Can mplayer play dvds? I get "error initialising selected video_out (-vo) device" |
| 16:16.28 | abrotman | hrm .. ok |
| 16:16.34 | pipeline | abrotman: If you want to help me with a kernel problem, what's the recommended method of getting an amd64 kernel with an i386 userland? |
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| 16:16.37 | pipeline | :) |
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| 16:16.49 | JordiGH | Actually, I'm not sure my Mplayer can play anything... |
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| 16:18.13 | JordiGH | No, same error trying to play a .wmv file (and I do have w32codecs and Totem can play .wmv) |
| 16:18.18 | agent | JordiGH: mplayer can play dvd's... not sure about menus, but man mplayer for more info |
| 16:18.20 | Ronin | Alexc90: install your kernel-sources |
| 16:18.27 | Alexc90 | kk |
| 16:18.30 | Alexc90 | yhanks |
| 16:18.34 | abrotman | pipeline: compile it yourself AFAIK .. dunno if the pure64 kernel will work on x86_32 |
| 16:18.58 | abrotman | guess you oculd try it though .. worst that happens .. it doesn't boot :) |
| 16:18.58 | JordiGH | agent: mplayer seems to know about menus and chapters and subtitle/audio tracks. It just won't play anything for me. :-( |
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| 16:21.41 | JordiGH | Hm, I seem to have found some help in the Ubuntu forums. Heh, I love these Ubuntu step-by-step instructions. First three steps are about how to open a terminal. :-) |
| 16:21.45 | christopherl | how do I adjust the time and date using the command line? |
| 16:21.54 | pipeline | christopherl: /sbin/date |
| 16:21.56 | JordiGH | christopherl, date |
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| 16:25.10 | JordiGH | Crap. I'm using Marillat's instead of Debian's mplayer... |
| 16:25.28 | JordiGH | What's the aptitude command to make it install from a preferred source? |
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| 16:26.44 | pipeline | how frustrating; sarge has better 64/32 mixed support than etch :P |
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| 16:27.11 | JordiGH | pipeline: Isn't that because etch is scheduled to have its own full 64 bit distro? |
| 16:27.21 | Roey | pipeline: does it let you run 32-bit apps without chrooting first? |
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| 16:27.42 | Roey | hmm, whatever did happen to that unified 32/64-bit libc ? |
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| 16:30.32 | JordiGH | Hmm... aptitude install mplayer/testing |
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| 16:30.37 | Math^ | hello, how can i restart my fonts? |
| 16:30.55 | Math^ | /sbin/service xfs reload doesn't work |
| 16:31.09 | azeem | Math^: are you running a font servr? |
| 16:31.27 | Math^ | erm, no, just put a new font in the truetype dir |
| 16:31.32 | Math^ | putted |
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| 16:32.03 | azeem | Math^: and it's not picked up automatically? |
| 16:32.13 | Math^ | oh, i dont know |
| 16:32.20 | azeem | check that first |
| 16:32.21 | Math^ | I thought I had to restart fonts |
| 16:32.23 | Math^ | ye |
| 16:32.25 | blondie | it's put not putted |
| 16:32.38 | Math^ | ok thnx blondie ;) |
| 16:32.47 | blondie | unless you're talking about golf |
| 16:32.48 | JordiGH | Unless you're a golf player, perhaps... |
| 16:32.52 | Math^ | nah |
| 16:32.54 | JordiGH | putt putt putt |
| 16:33.07 | Math^ | putt or put? |
| 16:33.19 | azeem | put |
| 16:33.22 | JordiGH | Putt is for playing golf. Put is to place. :-) |
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| 16:33.23 | Math^ | ah |
| 16:33.29 | Math^ | azeem: its there ok :) |
| 16:33.33 | fireba11 | putty |
| 16:33.34 | Math^ | then I mistyped something |
| 16:33.41 | beardy | puter |
| 16:33.42 | Math^ | putta |
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| 16:33.48 | Math^ | @_o |
| 16:33.57 | JordiGH | !info libcaca0 |
| 16:34.02 | Math^ | !put |
| 16:34.05 | JordiGH | caca? |
| 16:34.08 | dpkg | libcaca0: (colour ASCII art library), section libs, is optional. Version: 0.99.beta11.debian-2 (sid), Packaged size: 102 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 16:34.08 | Math^ | !punary |
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| 16:34.40 | beardy | JordiGH: Completely separate from aalib? |
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| 16:35.03 | pipeline | JordiGH: sarge had a pure64 too |
| 16:35.13 | pipeline | Roey: Yes. 100% 32 bit userland. |
| 16:35.15 | JordiGH | pipeline: not officially, no. |
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| 16:35.44 | pipeline | Roey: The point to having the 64 bit kernel is that you don't have to copy memory constantly to do device I/O when you have 4+ G of RAM |
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| 16:36.19 | fantomas | Hi. What MC does need to open .gz text files via F3? %) |
| 16:36.47 | abrotman | gzip ? |
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| 16:37.37 | fantomas | abrotman: installed... |
| 16:38.03 | fantomas | abrotman: along with zip unzip bzip2 |
| 16:38.07 | Roey | pipeline: oh I know the point of 64-bit computing |
| 16:38.16 | Roey | pipeline: I use debian sid/amd64 myself |
| 16:38.19 | JordiGH | Is it possible for Debian to not have gzip installed? |
| 16:38.35 | Roey | pipeline: it's just that it's a nightmare for when I need to use windowsy stuff, like video codecs or flash |
| 16:38.57 | JordiGH | priority: required" |
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| 16:39.00 | JordiGH | " |
| 16:39.01 | JordiGH | so no. |
| 16:39.03 | Roey | pipeline: at present I must chroot into the 32-bit environment before I can run 32-bit apps |
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| 16:39.33 | JordiGH | Roey: flash isn't available for 64-bit Linux. At least not the proprietary flash player. :-/ |
| 16:39.47 | JordiGH | And gnash doesn't look ready to me yet. |
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| 16:41.29 | chops | Roey: Is multiarch dead at this point? I'm running a 64-bit system as well, and from time to time I check on multiarch and find the docs not updated since 2005 or whenever |
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| 16:43.28 | JordiGH | Hm. |
| 16:43.39 | x-- | cool.. as expected.. windows mobile refuses to install MS runtime files |
| 16:44.03 | JordiGH | "mplayer dvd://" plays the dvd. It's gmplayer that won't do it. |
| 16:44.09 | pipeline | Roey: Yeah, I'm definitely not interested in screwing around with a 64 bit userland. |
| 16:44.21 | pipeline | Roey: I just want a 64 bit kernel, nothing else :P |
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| 16:46.16 | RvGaTe747 | wtf |
| 16:46.19 | valdyn | pipeline: see also RESOURCES_64BIT in new kernels, though its flagged experimental |
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| 16:47.27 | pipeline | valdyn: goodness, that's pretty doggone sweet. |
| 16:47.31 | JordiGH | Huh? How are you gonna get anything working if you only want a 64bit kernel? Or are you joking? |
| 16:47.46 | pipeline | JordiGH: Like I said, sarge supports it :P |
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| 16:47.56 | pipeline | JordiGH: amd64 was intended to be backwards compatible so you could do exactly what I want to do |
| 16:47.58 | valdyn | JordiGH: 64 bit kernels can support 32-bit userland |
| 16:48.11 | pipeline | JordiGH: 64 bit kernel, so there's no ridiculous performance hit due to I/O trampolining or PAE |
| 16:48.18 | pipeline | JordiGH: 32 bit userland, so you can run the same binaries you always have |
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| 16:49.04 | JordiGH | Man, that was an easy fix... |
| 16:49.08 | JordiGH | In mplayer, I mean. |
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| 16:49.19 | JordiGH | From preferences, I had to choose a different video output. |
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| 16:49.55 | JordiGH | Hm, but can mplayer do DVD menus? |
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| 16:50.17 | pipeline | JordiGH: yes, so can vlc |
| 16:50.28 | JordiGH | pipeline: how? |
| 16:50.47 | pipeline | JordiGH: mplayer /dev/dvd :P |
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| 16:52.28 | JordiGH | pipeline: that plays the dvd... but doesn't open up the menu? Or maybe I'm being impatient. |
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| 16:53.17 | Math^ | erm... what are the caracters of a space in the terminal? \% / ? |
| 16:53.23 | JordiGH | Nope, no menu. |
| 16:54.22 | valdyn | JordiGH: mplayer does not support dvd menus |
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| 16:54.36 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 16:54.42 | JordiGH | Well... |
| 16:54.52 | JordiGH | What does? Totem is nice, but I want something nicer? |
| 16:55.03 | Math^ | ive got a font, its indentifier is dustBUST Pixeldus, but when I set this font in a fluxbox style it will not load... becouse of the space in the indentifier's name? |
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| 16:55.39 | x-- | Math^: try to quote it: "yoo moo" |
| 16:55.40 | valdyn | JordiGH: xine, vlc |
| 16:55.47 | Math^ | x--: ofcourse :) |
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| 16:55.50 | Math^ | lets try |
| 16:56.05 | pipeline | JordiGH: Heh, my Daewoo dvd players ignore unskippable sections, too :P |
| 16:56.13 | Math^ | x--: still not working |
| 16:56.15 | Math^ | :/ |
| 16:56.15 | pipeline | JordiGH: You just have to be pkcy :) |
| 16:56.24 | JordiGH | be what? |
| 16:56.25 | JordiGH | picky? |
| 16:56.32 | pipeline | c |
| 16:56.39 | pipeline | Real men make typos. |
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| 16:57.17 | Math^ | x--: any idea? |
| 16:57.25 | valdyn | !any idea |
| 16:57.25 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 starving ostriches. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 16:57.42 | Math^ | !valdyn |
| 16:57.49 | JordiGH | Who does dkpg think it is, McGuyver? |
| 16:58.04 | x-- | Math^: no, i wanted to say use %20 (URI) but duplicate the font to a shorter name without spaces |
| 16:58.26 | Math^ | x--: the font is without spaces |
| 16:58.41 | Math^ | x--: only the indentifier is with a space |
| 16:59.16 | mc__ | !McGuyver |
| 16:59.30 | mc__ | !jesus |
| 16:59.30 | dpkg | i heard jesus is cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs) |
| 16:59.34 | spidey | i'm having a problem with the netdebian base install, anyone think they could help? :/ |
| 16:59.40 | JordiGH | eh? |
| 16:59.42 | JordiGH | !emacs |
| 16:59.42 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
| 16:59.47 | Math^ | please... |
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| 17:00.18 | Math^ | hmm I will try some other font |
| 17:00.31 | JordiGH | dpkg, jesus is also a common Spanish name. |
| 17:00.31 | dpkg | JordiGH: okay |
| 17:00.38 | JordiGH | hay-zeus. |
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| 17:01.35 | Math^ | hmm.. what's the big differences between ubuntu and debian? |
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| 17:01.58 | streuner | Math^: find out for youself |
| 17:02.03 | BreakPoint | The weight of the dvd install |
| 17:02.07 | BreakPoint | :) |
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| 17:02.12 | rsg | both install crappy gnome by default |
| 17:02.12 | streuner | Math^: www.debian.org or www.ubuntu.com |
| 17:02.12 | Math^ | streuner: its just the same |
| 17:02.12 | rsg | ;> |
| 17:02.15 | Math^ | :P |
| 17:02.40 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 17:02.40 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 17:02.46 | streuner | here we go! |
| 17:02.47 | JordiGH | they're very different. Or at least they feel very different to me. I tried using Ubuntu the other day, and I felt very lost. |
| 17:03.00 | Math^ | yes I like debian and ubuntu |
| 17:03.16 | rsg | !start a distro war |
| 17:03.16 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 17:03.19 | rsg | pff |
| 17:03.20 | JordiGH | The .com and .org in the domain names are very telling. Ubuntu's philosophy differs vastly from Debian's. |
| 17:03.24 | Math^ | i think ubuntu is just a bit easier |
| 17:03.25 | streuner | !botsnack |
| 17:03.25 | dpkg | thanks, streuner |
| 17:03.26 | rsg | it's fixed? |
| 17:03.50 | JordiGH | Math^, Ubuntu was harder for me because I practically use nothing but Debian. |
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| 17:04.18 | Math^ | JordiGH: yes, but for windows users I gues its easier to use |
| 17:04.35 | Math^ | :D |
| 17:04.55 | BreakPoint | its the same shit when you have to recompile the kernel etc.. |
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| 17:05.13 | fsfdssdf | Err http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch/main Packages |
| 17:05.13 | fsfdssdf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:05.27 | JordiGH | I've never compiled a kernel in my life. :-) |
| 17:05.41 | fsfdssdf | isnt this the right entry ? >> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 17:05.45 | fsfdssdf | im using etch rc1 |
| 17:06.06 | streuner | fsfdssdf: visit debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:06.06 | JordiGH | fsfdssdf, no, put testing instead of etch. I think Marillat doesn't name his distros with the codenames. |
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| 17:06.43 | valdyn | etch works fine |
| 17:07.06 | JordiGH | fsfdssdf, oh, the problem is the www. |
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| 17:07.09 | JordiGH | take it out. |
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| 17:07.22 | nakee | are there back ports of xfce4/gnome2.16? |
| 17:07.29 | valdyn | www is fine too |
| 17:07.38 | Math^ | im not sure wich one Ive got... uname -a gives me nothing about etch or something |
| 17:07.48 | streuner | nakee: i don't think so |
| 17:07.54 | valdyn | fsfdssdf: that directory was indeed missing today, its back though, maybe your proxy ( or transparent proxy ) does not know yet |
| 17:07.54 | JordiGH | Math^, /etc/debian_version |
| 17:08.01 | fsfdssdf | yeah works without thanks JordiGH |
| 17:08.40 | Math^ | JordiGH: dont have that file |
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| 17:08.55 | streuner | nakee: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 17:09.19 | kaffien | what is the command to search for a certain package |
| 17:09.22 | JordiGH | Math^, that's very odd. Are you running Debian? |
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| 17:09.28 | streuner | !tell kaffien about search |
| 17:09.29 | nakee | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.29 | JordiGH | kaffien, apt-cache search packagename |
| 17:09.31 | Math^ | JordiGH: yes |
| 17:09.36 | kaffien | i read through the man pages for apt-get btu i cant find the syntax |
| 17:09.44 | kaffien | ahh |
| 17:09.46 | kaffien | cache |
| 17:09.49 | nakee | upgrading to 2.5 gave very weird errors.. |
| 17:10.06 | streuner | kaffien: read the whole factoid, you'll need it... |
| 17:10.29 | JordiGH | Math^, what does uname -a say? |
| 17:10.37 | streuner | nakee: upgrading to 2.5? |
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| 17:10.57 | streuner | nakee: where did you get those packages? experimental? |
| 17:11.01 | nakee | streuner, yea libc6 2.5 is experimental |
| 17:11.06 | streuner | uh |
| 17:11.10 | dkr | I noticed recent etch installer had option to make/install system on encrypted partitions so I tried it out. I was surprised at how easy it was. and system speed didn't seem impacted much at all. |
| 17:11.10 | streuner | slap yourself |
| 17:11.16 | kaffien | doesnt debian use xorg? |
| 17:11.26 | Math^ | Linux laptop 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:11.36 | streuner | using libc6 out of experimental is just "wild"... |
| 17:11.47 | streuner | kaffien: sure, why? |
| 17:12.11 | streuner | kaffien: its not part of sarge/stable |
| 17:12.13 | JordiGH | Math^, and apt-cache policy says what? |
| 17:12.17 | kaffien | because apt-cache search xorg or Xorg or X-org or x-org doesnt turn up anything |
| 17:12.24 | streuner | kaffien: but there are backports (/msg dpkg backports) for |
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| 17:12.37 | nakee | streuner, I was curious:) |
| 17:12.38 | JordiGH | Math^, better, what does /etc/apt/sources.list say? |
| 17:12.45 | Math^ | JordiGH: yes Debian testing etch |
| 17:12.50 | kaffien | apt-get install emerge ... sige |
| 17:12.58 | Math^ | lol |
| 17:13.08 | kaffien | sigh even ... arg |
| 17:13.09 | nakee | streuner, life is boring during pre release freeze |
| 17:13.12 | Math^ | i think 1 JordiGH |
| 17:13.12 | JordiGH | Math^, so you have etch. But it's very odd that you don't have /etc/debian_version |
| 17:13.19 | kaffien | yay more manuals |
| 17:13.19 | Math^ | hmm |
| 17:13.23 | kaffien | at least someone wrote them |
| 17:13.37 | JordiGH | Math^, how did you install Debian? |
| 17:13.39 | streuner | nakee: life is HARD enought, you don't need to make life HARDER ;-) |
| 17:13.42 | Math^ | /etc/et[TAB] I directly get: /etc/def |
| 17:13.54 | Math^ | from network bootdisks |
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| 17:14.01 | streuner | nakee: specially not with any OS's ... |
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| 17:14.20 | Math^ | /etc/de[TAB] I ment |
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| 17:14.26 | spec | Is Debian's Python Policy ever going to be updated to use eggs? |
| 17:14.39 | kaffien | i thought xorg was regarded as stable now |
| 17:14.42 | bnowell | how do i restart ssh if i dont have a /etc/init.d/ssh on my debian sys? |
| 17:15.02 | JordiGH | Math^, how are you tabbing? cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 17:15.02 | streuner | bnowell: /etc/init.d/ssh restart ? |
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| 17:15.25 | finntroll | I want Icedove to use iceweasel instead of epiphany. anyone know how I do that? |
| 17:15.35 | asg | bnowell: send it a SIGHUP, according to the manpage |
| 17:15.53 | streuner | asg: LTNS |
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| 17:16.01 | asg | streuner: hiya, how are you? |
| 17:16.06 | bnowell | er sorry, if i dont have /etc/init.d/ssh (on etch) |
| 17:16.10 | streuner | asg: Don't ask, too much work... |
| 17:16.21 | asg | streuner: same here ;) |
| 17:16.25 | streuner | bah |
| 17:16.32 | Math^ | JordiGH: lol, its there indeed |
| 17:16.47 | Math^ | i thought I could tab to it |
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| 17:17.08 | Math^ | debian_version 4.0 |
| 17:17.08 | JordiGH | Math^, why should you? It's not marked executable. |
| 17:17.21 | spec | is there a dev channel for debian? |
| 17:17.26 | Math^ | JordiGH: well I use debian for 3 days from now :) |
| 17:17.28 | streuner | spec: why? |
| 17:17.35 | spec | to ask about python policy |
| 17:17.46 | JordiGH | #debian-dev on OFTC. |
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| 17:18.06 | spec | OFTC? none on freenode? |
| 17:18.12 | JordiGH | They tend to be highly offtopic in my experience. |
| 17:18.17 | streuner | no, they moved to OFTC |
| 17:18.43 | spec | alrighty, thanks, i'll try |
| 17:18.45 | streuner | spec: subscribe to #debian-devel ML |
| 17:18.54 | streuner | s/#/ / |
| 17:19.01 | JordiGH | and witness the drama. |
| 17:19.07 | bnowell | asg: send ssh SIGHUP? |
| 17:19.33 | JordiGH | And when they move it to debian-devel-announce, like the dunctank fiasco, it's even better. :-) |
| 17:19.45 | asg | bnowell: yes, upon receiving a HUP signal, ssh will reread its config and restart itself with the commandline options with which it was started. |
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| 17:20.01 | JordiGH | Remember that thread about what gender to put in some pull-down menu? Guaranteed entertainment. |
| 17:20.06 | bnowell | asg: in etch there is no restarting the service from init.d? |
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| 17:20.18 | bnowell | asg: i'm new to Debian :/ |
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| 17:20.24 | asg | bnowell: yes, you probably didn't install the openssh-server package |
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| 17:20.41 | bnowell | asg: oh nice! thanks |
| 17:20.42 | asg | bnowell: if you did install it but don't have an /etc/init.d/ script, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:21.47 | junix|work | how do i force apache2 to isntall |
| 17:22.17 | JordiGH | force? |
| 17:22.18 | fireba11 | junix|work: ? does it refuse ti install normally ? |
| 17:22.24 | junix|work | yes |
| 17:22.39 | fireba11 | junix|work: explain |
| 17:22.42 | JordiGH | junix|work, use aptitude's conflict resolution mechanism and figure out why it won't install. Don't force. |
| 17:22.45 | bnowell | asg: sweet, that was it. |
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| 17:22.51 | asg | bnowell: excellent |
| 17:23.12 | rsg | here's how my xorg.conf looks like |> http://rafb.net/p/R4uLBT74.html , it works on gentoo and (with minimal changes related to mouse) on freebsd, but with debian my screen tells me "Out of range", my screen is a iiyama 19" widescreen lcd, my gfx card is a gf7900gt (pci-e) |
| 17:23.17 | junix|work | fireba11 & JordiGH : http://pastebin.com/870358 |
| 17:24.11 | JordiGH | zomg, can Firefox do Emacs keybindings? |
| 17:24.28 | JordiGH | That's teh awesome! |
| 17:24.31 | rsg | JordiGH: there's an extension for it for sure |
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| 17:25.03 | JordiGH | Too bad ff is so slow on my machine... :-9 |
| 17:25.05 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 17:25.08 | stew | JordiGH: /msg dpkg firefox ; or even better, google for conkeror |
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| 17:25.14 | jeward_ | Hi, I'm having an issue installing SOAP:Lite on a debian sarge |
| 17:25.16 | jeward_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.20 | JordiGH | And should dpkg still think that Firefox is the best browser ever? |
| 17:25.22 | fireba11 | junix|work: pastebin is slloooooooow today ^^ |
| 17:25.33 | dusty-work | Hey guys, I have just installed Debian and setup X. When I try to goto the console by hitting ALT+F (number) I get the following in the error logs: http://rafb.net/p/K8rix171.html Any ideas how to fix this, as I can't switch from console to console in the console either... |
| 17:25.42 | junix|work | fireba11: :-( |
| 17:25.49 | rsg | and my screen is connected via dvi-dsub connector to dvi output of my gfx card |
| 17:25.53 | rsg | any ideas? |
| 17:26.02 | stew | jeward_: apt-get install libsoap-lite-perl |
| 17:26.07 | JordiGH | stew: conkeror? |
| 17:26.11 | mcnaft | Hi, I compiled a 2.6.18.6 kernel, when booting I get kernel panic: http://pastebin.com/870421 |
| 17:26.14 | nakee | junix|work, try to manually stop apache2 and see what it complains about |
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| 17:26.24 | junix|work | nakee: did that, no good |
| 17:26.34 | fireba11 | junix|work: ah, now i see it ... ther is obviously already an apache2 installed, the installer failed to stop it to change the version .. stop it manually and try again ... |
| 17:26.36 | stew | JordiGH: if you want your firefox to be more like emacs, then yeah, google for conkeror |
| 17:26.40 | nakee | junix|work, no good as it works, or no good as it complains? |
| 17:26.51 | JordiGH | !info conkeror |
| 17:26.51 | junix|work | it complains |
| 17:26.57 | nakee | junix|work, about? |
| 17:27.04 | JordiGH | It's not in Debian. :-( |
| 17:27.08 | fireba11 | junix|work: then do a killall apache2 or soemthing |
| 17:27.13 | junix|work | nakee: Stopping apache 2.0 web server...grep: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/perl.load: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.13 | junix|work | grep: /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/perl.conf: No such file or directory |
| 17:27.13 | junix|work | /usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libaprutil-0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:27.19 | stew | JordiGH: not yet packaged, but axel beckert (sp?) filed an itp |
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| 17:27.32 | junix|work | nakee: ?? |
| 17:27.41 | JordiGH | stew: speaking of which, how do you change a rfp to itp? |
| 17:27.54 | nakee | junix|work, kill it manually |
| 17:28.05 | junix|work | ki |
| 17:28.07 | nakee | killall httpd |
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| 17:28.40 | belkin | !sound |
| 17:28.40 | dpkg | i guess sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 17:28.40 | stew | email to control@bugs.debian.org with the body containing, "retitle 123456 ITP: foopackage - short description of a package" |
| 17:28.41 | fireba11 | junix|work: how the hell did you install apache2 in the first place ? |
| 17:28.41 | stew | JordiGH: ^^ |
| 17:28.57 | junix|work | fireba11: i don' remember |
| 17:29.08 | junix|work | nakee: its not running |
| 17:29.28 | fireba11 | junix|work: dpkg thinks it is |
| 17:29.28 | JordiGH | stew: Ah, thanks. Where can I read about other things I can tell control@bugs.debian.org ? |
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| 17:29.58 | stew | JordiGH: http://bugs.debian.org read the "developers" someting and the "manipulating bugs via email" links |
| 17:30.19 | nakee | junix|work, check if it left pid file in /var/run |
| 17:30.20 | JordiGH | Thankee. :-) |
| 17:30.28 | nakee | run |
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| 17:30.59 | junix|work | nakee: nope |
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| 17:31.31 | kaffien | is there a detailed wiki on apt-get / apt-cache id like to be able to check a package and its version number available |
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| 17:32.09 | streuner | !tell kaffien about pdo |
| 17:32.29 | nakee | junix|work, what do you have in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ? |
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| 17:32.52 | junix|work | nakee: cgi.load perl.conf perl.load php4.conf php4.load userdir.conf userdir.load |
| 17:32.52 | junix|work | MEGATRON:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# |
| 17:33.05 | kaffien | thank you, i was looking for something along the lines of emerge -pv packagename |
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| 17:33.24 | nakee | junix|work, are the perl.load and perl.conf broken links by any chance? |
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| 17:34.08 | junix|work | no |
| 17:34.21 | stew | kaffien: what does emerge -pv do? |
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| 17:34.39 | fireba11 | junix|work: any wired rights set on those two ? |
| 17:34.40 | kaffien | shows the package name and what version it will download / install and any dependancies |
| 17:34.44 | stew | kaffien: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 17:34.48 | kaffien | also shows the make flags but thats not important |
| 17:35.02 | junix|work | fireba11: not to my knowledge |
| 17:35.02 | stew | kaffien: and apt-cache show packagename |
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| 17:35.20 | nakee | junix|work, you can try to just erase them |
| 17:35.35 | junix|work | erase...? |
| 17:35.51 | fireba11 | junix|work: delete, remove |
| 17:36.00 | nakee | junix|work, the 2 sym links |
| 17:36.20 | kaffien | ahhh 3.3.2 |
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| 17:36.31 | kaffien | good good thanks .. i was using showpkg |
| 17:36.49 | kaffien | anyhow almost done now ... can i convert over to unstable or do i need another iso all together? |
| 17:37.23 | stew | kaffien: you don't want unstable |
| 17:37.33 | kaffien | well i dont want kde 3.3 |
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| 17:37.36 | kaffien | testing will do |
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| 17:38.46 | junix|work | nakee: which symlinks? |
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| 17:39.29 | nakee | in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ (perl.conf and perl.load) |
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| 17:40.07 | junix|work | ok |
| 17:40.08 | junix|work | thanks |
| 17:40.26 | junix|work | nakee: then what, run apt-get? |
| 17:40.37 | nakee | yea |
| 17:40.40 | junix|work | k |
| 17:43.35 | belkin | why is abiword asking me for a password when i open a doc. ? |
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| 17:43.55 | asg | belkin: some documents can be password protected; perhaps this one is |
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| 17:44.39 | belkin | asg this one is not password protected |
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| 17:45.51 | asg | belkin: then I don't know, sorry |
| 17:46.39 | belkin | asg ok , thanks |
| 17:46.42 | junix|work | nakee: i got the same problem |
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| 17:47.21 | kaffien | so i guess pinning is not recomended? |
| 17:48.28 | stew | kaffien: certainly not between stable and testing. between stable and backports is recommended however |
| 17:48.58 | kaffien | i did not get the backports thingy when it was sent |
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| 17:49.51 | stew | !bpo |
| 17:49.51 | dpkg | hmm... backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 17:50.50 | libben | i have testing... whar repos can/should i use? officials only ? |
| 17:51.19 | libben | i still would like some other packages that is not in the official repos |
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| 17:51.33 | Supaplex | like contrib and non-free? |
| 17:51.43 | stew | libben: what is an example of a package? |
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| 17:51.57 | junix|work | nakee: ?>>?? |
| 17:52.09 | Supaplex | stew: he's dieing for the hello package. ;) |
| 17:52.18 | libben | like beryl or others packages like unrar mp3 things etc etc |
| 17:52.22 | kaffien | apt-get moo ... hahaha thats rich |
| 17:52.26 | nakee | junix|work, and when you try to do /etc/init.d/apache2 stop? |
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| 17:52.44 | libben | i remember that there was repos when i used debian over 2 years ago |
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| 17:52.50 | junix|work | Stopping apache 2.0 web server.../usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libaprutil-0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 17:53.01 | kaffien | if i apt-cache search xorg it just goes to the next line with no error |
| 17:53.26 | libben | that gave me the things that wasnt allowed in officialls repos |
| 17:53.31 | stew | kaffien: becuase you are running stable which has xfree instead of xorg |
| 17:53.41 | kaffien | but i enabled backports |
| 17:53.48 | kaffien | same thing if i do a search on nmap |
| 17:53.53 | junix|work | nakee: Stopping apache 2.0 web server.../usr/sbin/apache2: error while loading shared libraries: libaprutil-0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:53.56 | azeem | kaffien: did you run apt-get update? |
| 17:54.02 | kaffien | i sure dide |
| 17:54.06 | kaffien | i used this in my sources |
| 17:54.08 | kaffien | deb http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/BACKPORTS sarge main |
| 17:54.12 | azeem | eh |
| 17:54.16 | kaffien | hrrrm |
| 17:54.17 | kaffien | brb |
| 17:54.18 | azeem | that's not backports.org |
| 17:54.20 | Supaplex | libben: ask a VAGUE question, and you get ... |
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| 17:54.29 | libben | supa ;) |
| 17:54.30 | nakee | junix|work, what do you have in /usr/lib/libaprutil-0.so* ? |
| 17:54.58 | nakee | junix|work, do you have libapr0 installed? |
| 17:55.00 | junix|work | lots of tuff... |
| 17:55.08 | junix|work | i don't know |
| 17:55.22 | nakee | dpkg -l libapr0 |
| 17:55.22 | dpkg | ii libapr0 2.9-4.3 nakee's private stamp collection |
| 17:55.52 | junix|work | MEGATRON:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# dpkg -L libapr0 |
| 17:55.52 | junix|work | Package `libapr0' does not contain any files (!) |
| 17:56.14 | belkin | did anyone tried the Postfix sources, patch it with the quota patch, build new Postfix .deb packages and install those .deb packages: |
| 17:56.34 | Supaplex | junix|work: try -l on that box. |
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| 17:56.59 | junix|work | nakee: MEGATRON:/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# dpkg -l libapr0 |
| 17:56.59 | junix|work | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
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| 17:57.12 | Supaplex | belkin: quota for virtual mail? I don't think so. I was under the assumption it was already included now. |
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| 17:57.39 | belkin | Supaplex ls it ? so no need path it anymore ? |
| 17:57.46 | libben | how do i get graphical startup loading? i saw a linux-patch-bootsplash. but that dident work.. then i reliased that i had upgraded my kernel to 2.6.18-3 and the bootsplashpatch only work up to 17 |
| 17:57.54 | Supaplex | belkin: don't make me repeat myself |
| 17:58.01 | nakee | junix|work, that's all? |
| 17:58.04 | libben | but when i rebooted with 2.17 i dident get any graphical stuff |
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| 17:58.24 | libben | is there any solution for the new version ? |
| 17:58.26 | belkin | Supaplex aight , thanks i was just going to buil postfix with the pacht |
| 17:58.27 | Supaplex | !tell junix|work -about paste |
| 17:58.29 | belkin | thanks ^^ |
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| 17:58.34 | agentbob | where can i read about differences between aptitude and apt-get |
| 17:58.39 | Supaplex | belkin: try it and see, by all means. |
| 17:58.50 | nakee | junix|work, try to apt-get install it |
| 17:58.56 | Supaplex | belkin: and, if you'd like, submit a patch with a bugreport on postfix, if there isn't one already |
| 17:59.09 | fantomas | How to see what font was loaded by consolechars or is used by TTY? |
| 17:59.48 | junix|work | nakee: dpkg is referred to by a diff package it says |
| 17:59.55 | fantomas | !consolechars |
| 18:00.08 | Supaplex | fantomas: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 18:00.38 | nakee | junix|work, when you try to install it? |
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| 18:00.57 | junix|work | yes |
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| 18:01.20 | fantomas | Supaplex: it could be changed @ runtime, so some direct way would be preferable I guess |
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| 18:02.14 | nakee | junix|work, and if you try to remove it? |
| 18:02.33 | junix|work | the lib? |
| 18:02.36 | Supaplex | fantomas: good question. tell me when you find out :) X dumps me into double line spacing mode, and hides the bottom half of my 50line screen when I exit. I commonly have to run /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh start to fix it :-/ |
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| 18:03.02 | fantomas | Supaplex: sure :) |
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| 18:04.41 | ma3x | why the hell from time to time, my connection gets stuck - just like if I got DoSed. even when I try to load the web page of my routers web interface, it does very slowly at 1kb/s or less. what could be the problem? DoS atack? |
| 18:05.34 | Supaplex | ma3x: not likely if it's just between you and the router. tcpdump can show you the traffic on the line at the time. |
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| 18:06.11 | nakee | junix|work, the lib is there? in /usr/lib? |
| 18:06.19 | ma3x | my /var/log/auth.log got flooded with Jan 29 18:53:06 ma3x sshd[7555]: Bad protocol version identification 'NICK joker' from UNKNOWN |
| 18:07.16 | junix|work | nakee: ok,how about i just force apache to install, how would i do that caue i don't care about apache on this system |
| 18:07.48 | Supaplex | ma3x: that would be an ssh crack in attempt. make sure your passwords are secure, and (iirc) either consider fail2ban, or iptables with -m recent (see the iptables docs) |
| 18:08.15 | ma3x | Supaplex: I have fail2ban but do you see? it cant ban UNKNOWN |
| 18:08.33 | ma3x | it's a spoofed attack somehow |
| 18:08.41 | Supaplex | it disconnected too quick |
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| 18:08.52 | Supaplex | but iptables won't try a dns lookup |
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| 18:09.16 | nakee | junix|work, edit /etc/init.d/apache2 and erase all the lines of the apache_stop function |
| 18:09.20 | torrrrr | hi |
| 18:09.25 | khaleel5000 | Hi doesany one know a good CLI based client for MSN messenger service and Gmail messenger service? |
| 18:09.54 | asg | khaleel5000: bitlbee |
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| 18:10.10 | cydork | khaleel5000: for gmail there is freetalk too.. |
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| 18:10.21 | nakee | junix|work, leave the apache_stop() { and the } in the end of it though |
| 18:10.46 | Supaplex | spiffy |
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| 18:12.06 | ma3x | how do I take notice if I get dossed? I got a router, but it probably doesn't log |
| 18:12.11 | tictac | anyone having problems with debian-multimedia.org? |
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| 18:12.54 | asg | tictac: Get: 3 http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid/main Packages [43.5kB] |
| 18:12.58 | asg | tictac: nope, working here |
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| 18:13.23 | tictac | hmm. |
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| 18:14.04 | concept10 | is unstable stable for the desktop? im serious |
| 18:14.22 | Ronin | concept10: depends on your skill level |
| 18:14.35 | cydork | !iyhtsys |
| 18:14.53 | asg | concept10: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:14.57 | cydork | !iyhtays |
| 18:14.57 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:15.01 | cydork | concept10: ^^ |
| 18:15.05 | tictac | Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 |
| 18:15.08 | tictac | :| |
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| 18:15.34 | concept10 | I have to get on unstable, im going to upgrade after this backup |
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| 18:15.44 | asg | concept10: have to? why? |
| 18:15.47 | Ronin | concept10: have to? why have to |
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| 18:16.01 | DevilChaos | hi folks quick question should my newly installed bluetooth card on my laptop show up through lspci or what other command can i use to see if it is seen by the system? |
| 18:16.13 | junix|work | nakee: bbiab |
| 18:16.32 | concept10 | all distros talk about the same stuff, "dont do this, if you have to ask" I need bleeding edge libraries and I know how to recover from a broken system |
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| 18:16.44 | asg | concept10: then /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 18:17.16 | stew | DevilChaos: does "hciconfig -a" list a device? |
| 18:17.24 | concept10 | Ronin, newer libraries, too many dependencies |
| 18:17.38 | Ronin | concept10: backports wont do it for you? |
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| 18:18.01 | concept10 | Ronin, I might as well wait for etch :) |
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| 18:18.29 | ma3x | how do I change the ssh port of my machine |
| 18:18.35 | Ronin | concept10: umm ok, personally i disagree with that |
| 18:18.47 | concept10 | Ronin, no one backports obscure libraries Im looking for. Thats my point. |
| 18:18.51 | cwheeler | hi anyone use xemacs on etch? I'm missing some fonts but i'm not sure what package they are in |
| 18:19.00 | valdyn | concept10: backports them yourself |
| 18:19.05 | cahoot | ma3x: take a look at sshd_config |
| 18:19.07 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 18:19.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 18:19.40 | concept10 | valdyn, I might as well compile from source |
| 18:19.48 | Ronin | ma3x: edit the sshd.conf iirc |
| 18:20.30 | Ronin | concept10: if theyre so obscure are you sure theyre even in sid too? |
| 18:20.39 | valdyn | concept10: or you might aswell use lfs, probably not a good idea though |
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| 18:21.44 | concept10 | Ronin, im looking at them at packages.debian |
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| 18:23.14 | BrickTop | hello! I'm trying to insall a script that requires |
| 18:23.17 | BrickTop | ooops |
| 18:23.23 | BrickTop | return key too fast :s |
| 18:24.04 | Ronin | addicted to the latest and greatest concept10 ;) |
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| 18:24.16 | BrickTop | a couple of php extensions. What's the default dir for php extensions in debian |
| 18:24.21 | BrickTop | or should it be created manually? |
| 18:24.31 | BrickTop | lol@ Supaplex |
| 18:24.50 | Supaplex | BrickTop: did you install php from a package, or somehow else? |
| 18:24.57 | BrickTop | apt-get |
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| 18:25.07 | Supaplex | !tell BrickTop -about search |
| 18:25.09 | BrickTop | 4.3 |
| 18:25.16 | Supaplex | find the extensions you need, install, viola. |
| 18:25.16 | concept10 | Ronin, no, I just need a fix in a library that was released last month |
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| 18:26.13 | ma3x | what's IGMP snooping, and should I enable/disable it on the router? |
| 18:26.44 | Supaplex | !igmp |
| 18:26.45 | dpkg | igmp is probably Internet Group Management Protocol |
| 18:26.57 | BrickTop | Supaplex : by default hte extensions go to what dir? |
| 18:27.20 | BrickTop | sry but not very familiar with the tree structure of linux. newcomer |
| 18:27.22 | Supaplex | BrickTop: it varies by version. dpkg -L php4-foo will show you. why? |
| 18:27.26 | ma3x | Supaplex: do I need it? |
| 18:27.35 | Supaplex | ma3x: hellifIknow :P |
| 18:28.02 | Supaplex | I've never found igmp to be a critical thing. I wonder why it's still alive. *shrug* |
| 18:29.03 | ma3x | Supaplex: and Quality of service? if I enable that it reduces my speed |
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| 18:30.53 | DevilChaos | stew: bash: hciconfig: command not found |
| 18:31.06 | stew | DevilChaos: install bluez-utils |
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| 18:31.36 | coolzero_ | bonsoir tous le mondes |
| 18:31.38 | Supaplex | ma3x: well yea, it's suppose to reserve some speed for time sensitive traffic (eg, voip) |
| 18:31.50 | libben | hmm... ive installed macromedia plugin... flashplayer_installer that is... but it pointed it all to ~/.mozilla/plugins... wich is wrong. shouldent it be pointed to /usr/local/lib/iceweasel/plugins ? |
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| 18:31.57 | BrickTop | hmm how come my mysql-client api is reported as 4.0 in a phpinfo when I have installed only 4.1 (both server and client) |
| 18:31.59 | coolzero_ | sa parle francais ici ? |
| 18:32.01 | BrickTop | salut cool_sun |
| 18:32.02 | asg | !tell coolzero_ about fr |
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| 18:32.04 | ma3x | Supaplex: but after a few days it reduces it for 10 times |
| 18:32.09 | kaffien | well thats disappointing |
| 18:32.11 | dutche- | hey does anybody knows why when I try to run "gunzip data_dump.dmp" the gunzip says "unknown suffix -- ignored", but I think it is a gzip data...cuz the "file" command says this " gzip compressed data, from Unix" , does anybody knows something that could help? |
| 18:32.12 | kaffien | i cant install kde |
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| 18:32.23 | coolzero_ | do you speak french ? |
| 18:32.24 | justin | ma3x: how big is your network? do you know what multicast is? |
| 18:32.35 | ma3x | justin: it's just me and the router |
| 18:32.41 | ma3x | justin: many ips? |
| 18:32.43 | BrickTop | yep but rules here are not very flexible on that |
| 18:32.44 | justin | ma3x: then you don't need igmp |
| 18:32.52 | kaffien | broken packages / not moved from incomming |
| 18:32.55 | ma3x | justin: what about QoS and upnp? |
| 18:32.58 | kaffien | looks like its 3.3 for me |
| 18:33.10 | justin | ma3x: maybe, and definitely not |
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| 18:33.29 | stew | kaffien: put the exact command your were trying and the exact error into a pastebin |
| 18:33.38 | libben | youtube tells me: Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest flash player. |
| 18:33.40 | Supaplex | upnp tells your systems your router is there, and what services it's providing so it can be managed. not needed if you know how to manage it directly. |
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| 18:33.44 | libben | ive just checked that flashplayer worked |
| 18:33.54 | libben | so it was installed proper |
| 18:33.58 | libben | now i need the java |
| 18:34.06 | CharminTheMoose | Can anyone give a reason to why my cd rom drives have suddenly disappeared? |
| 18:34.07 | justin | libben: javascript != java |
| 18:34.09 | Supaplex | libben: java != javascript |
| 18:34.12 | Supaplex | heh |
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| 18:34.25 | Supaplex | justin: GMTA :) |
| 18:34.29 | justin | libben: just use youtube-dl or something, and watch the videos with mplayer.. it works much better that way |
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| 18:34.33 | CharminTheMoose | one reboot they're there, the second, they're not |
| 18:34.54 | Supaplex | CharminTheMoose: are they in dmesg? |
| 18:35.08 | DevilChaos | stew: would have thought that the system would have picked up the card before i installed any software ? |
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| 18:35.15 | DevilChaos | installing now |
| 18:35.18 | DevilChaos | ................. |
| 18:35.26 | CharminTheMoose | Supaplex: nope |
| 18:35.40 | CharminTheMoose | not even in my bios |
| 18:36.08 | fireba11 | hm .. number of release-critical bugs increased again .. dang |
| 18:36.18 | stew | DevilChaos: it would have, you can also look at dmesg / lspci or lsusb |
| 18:36.35 | DevilChaos | stew: hciconfig -a returns to command prompt |
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| 18:36.43 | DevilChaos | no listing |
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| 18:37.04 | EvilDI | hi, how can i add to root user on mysql additional host ip for connecting |
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| 18:37.15 | kaffien | stew: kde install issue at http://rafb.net/p/pHg80I19.html |
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| 18:38.40 | fireba11 | EvilDI: you shouldn't |
| 18:38.56 | stew | kaffien: what happens if you try "aptitude -t sarge-backports install kde-core" ? |
| 18:39.24 | EvilDI | am then how can i create additional user, which will have privilages as user who can create more bases |
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| 18:40.10 | kaffien | stew, http://rafb.net/p/VkAfkX11.html this happens |
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| 18:40.23 | fireba11 | EvilDI: read the manual at mysql.net |
| 18:40.32 | fireba11 | er .. sorry .. mysql.org |
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| 18:40.36 | Supaplex | CharminTheMoose: hardware issue then. myabe #hardware |
| 18:40.40 | Supaplex | fireba11: mysql.com |
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| 18:41.59 | belkin | by installing amavisd-new where about its the amavisd.conf file ? |
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| 18:42.04 | belkin | i cannot find it anywhre |
| 18:42.06 | belkin | anywhere |
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| 18:42.23 | DevilChaos | stew : how else might i find it dmesg is asking for a extra input -c whatever for the command you gave me? |
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| 18:43.08 | stew | kaffien: what is the output of "apt-cache policy arts"? |
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| 18:43.18 | stew | DevilChaos: dmesg is asking what? |
| 18:43.33 | DevilChaos | -f -c |
| 18:43.35 | DevilChaos | ??? |
| 18:43.42 | blondie | OMGWTF |
| 18:43.47 | DevilChaos | should man page it sorry |
| 18:44.00 | kaffien | stew, http://rafb.net/p/O0Q4WP76.html |
| 18:44.03 | DevilChaos | brain not turned on tonight |
| 18:44.05 | stew | DevilChaos: i'm sorry, i'm not following your question |
| 18:44.09 | zorton | is there a nice way in aptitude to show which distribution a package is comming from? |
| 18:44.20 | DevilChaos | stew: not to worry |
| 18:44.39 | stew | kaffien: hmm, dunno why it doens't want to install that. can you show the output of just "apt-cache policy"? |
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| 18:46.35 | DevilChaos | 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01) |
| 18:46.45 | DevilChaos | still coming up as modem |
| 18:46.49 | DevilChaos | i think |
| 18:47.49 | valdyn | DevilChaos: 'coming up as' ? that IS a winmodem |
| 18:48.05 | DevilChaos | fcuk |
| 18:48.15 | stew | hmm, about to try to reboot this remote redhat box that i'm takingover into debian for the first time, i just know i'm forgetting something |
| 18:48.28 | stew | !which driver |
| 18:48.29 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 18:48.33 | stew | DevilChaos: ^^ |
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| 18:48.39 | DevilChaos | the card did have bluetooth written on it though and the mac adress was there too |
| 18:49.08 | valdyn | DevilChaos: why would that winmodem be your bluetooth card? |
| 18:49.38 | valdyn | DevilChaos: its a winmodem, part of your intel (sound-)chipset |
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| 18:52.16 | abrotman | stew: you forgot that RH is clearly superior! |
| 18:52.41 | stew | its awesome, there is an /etc/grub.conf a /boot/grub/grub.conf and a /boot/grub/menu.lst, all different |
| 18:53.04 | stew | and aparantly i did forget something, its not coming backup |
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| 18:53.46 | asg | stew: Cover previously removed: Hit F1 to continue |
| 18:54.16 | fireba11 | asg :-D |
| 18:54.34 | fireba11 | asg: keyboard not found, press F1 to continue |
| 18:55.14 | asg | fireba11: Dell can go suck it |
| 18:55.29 | stew | the server is in TX |
| 18:55.36 | abrotman | ROADTRIP!!!!!!!! |
| 18:55.38 | fireba11 | asg: that alos happens on other boxes |
| 18:55.52 | asg | fireba11: I know, it particularly happens on Dell boxes though |
| 18:56.00 | abrotman | at least it doesn't say "Keyboard not found, click the mouse to continue" |
| 18:56.20 | stew | it could be saying any of these things and I wouldn't know |
| 18:56.30 | abrotman | stew: no console attached ? |
| 18:56.38 | stew | not until mgetty starts |
| 18:56.41 | asg | stew: filesystem check maybe? |
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| 18:57.22 | abrotman | it was running a RH 2.4 and now oyu're on a debian 2.6 and it's SATA and you forgot to change the bootloader ? |
| 18:57.52 | abrotman | karsten: hit the funny button |
| 18:58.09 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 18:58.13 | asg | the blue pill |
| 18:58.19 | stew | viagra? |
| 18:58.21 | chops | stew: I like lilo -R for those situations |
| 18:58.24 | asg | the ibm access pill |
| 18:58.26 | abrotman | karsten: the funny Fn+<button> to make it swithc video outputs |
| 18:58.38 | abrotman | chops: if you're using lilo |
| 18:58.52 | karsten | abrotman: I've got dual displays ATM, what I'm looking for is not having the display *twinned* on the monitor, but _expanded_. |
| 18:59.04 | concept10 | I swear to god im switching to gentoo |
| 18:59.09 | karsten | abrotman: eg: 1024x768 onboard, 1280x1024 outboard. |
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| 18:59.13 | asg | karsten: the option PanelSize set correctly for the external? |
| 18:59.16 | karsten | concept10: God disapproves. |
| 18:59.22 | karsten | asg: PanelSize? |
| 18:59.43 | asg | karsten: Option "PanelSize" "1280x1024" |
| 18:59.44 | kaffien | stew, http://rafb.net/p/QBUiku68.html is the policy output |
| 18:59.44 | karsten | asg: I'm taking it that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't have dual head in its dialogs? |
| 18:59.47 | asg | karsten: or something similar |
| 18:59.47 | stew | kaffien: http://vireo.org/~stew/xorg.conf.dualhead is my t42 |
| 19:00.00 | karsten | stew: Danke |
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| 19:00.10 | stew | kaffien: you don't have a debian main mirror |
| 19:00.36 | stew | kaffien: uhh, that url was for karsten |
| 19:00.41 | karsten | stew: that's karsten, not kaffien |
| 19:00.45 | stew | yeah |
| 19:01.15 | concept10 | dear APT, why have you forsaken me? When I tell you to get new stuff, just get it or you will perish in the wake of emerge! |
| 19:01.21 | stew | kaffien: you weren't supposed to replace your debian mirror with backports.org but were supposed to just add backports.org |
| 19:01.34 | stew | concept10: /msg dpkg bat |
| 19:01.34 | karsten | ... tea. |
| 19:01.38 | kaffien | i did just add backports |
| 19:01.42 | fireba11 | concept10: lol .. |
| 19:01.44 | cwheeler | is there a way in gnome to keep a window from being raised when I click in it? |
| 19:01.45 | kaffien | debain is still in my list |
| 19:01.56 | karsten | stew: What's your card specifically? |
| 19:02.02 | abrotman | cwheeler: don't click it? use sloppy focus ? |
| 19:02.13 | stew | kaffien: oh, you just have 2 cds ad it probably needs something off some other cd or off a full mirror |
| 19:02.13 | karsten | stew: M10, I presume. |
| 19:02.28 | kaffien | i only have one of the cds |
| 19:02.29 | stew | karsten: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] |
| 19:02.37 | kaffien | i see |
| 19:02.40 | cwheeler | i did that abrotman but clicking in the window still raises it |
| 19:02.42 | stew | kaffien: what country are you in? |
| 19:02.43 | kaffien | what other mirrors do i need then |
| 19:02.44 | kaffien | canada |
| 19:03.04 | abrotman | cwheeler: it actually depends on your WM .. which are you using ? |
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| 19:03.17 | cwheeler | whatever came with gnome, the default |
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| 19:03.28 | stew | kaffien: deb http://debian.uchicago.edu/debian sarge main |
| 19:03.29 | cwheeler | can I use different wms with gnome? |
| 19:03.37 | abrotman | either metacity or sawfish .. it's important to know which .. you're going to have to ask that channel |
| 19:03.41 | concept10 | This guy just told me I should reformat when I upgrade to get rid of "Ghosts" on the harddrive instead of using dist-upgrade. Hilarious! |
| 19:03.44 | abrotman | cwheeler: heck yeah .. it's not KDE! :) |
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| 19:03.55 | karsten | stew: Somewhat different here: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 19:04.02 | cwheeler | cool so i can use fvwm with gnome? |
| 19:04.25 | cwheeler | thanks i'll try that |
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| 19:04.42 | abrotman | if you .. want .. i guess |
| 19:04.52 | kaffien | whoah smashing pumpkins playing in germany in june |
| 19:04.54 | kaffien | nifty |
| 19:04.59 | stew | karsten: i don't seem to have t30 specific configs anymore, that machine died a while ago |
| 19:05.00 | cwheeler | what would you recommend? I' |
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| 19:05.21 | cwheeler | I'm partial to fvwm since it was basically the only wm when i started using linux |
| 19:05.22 | stew | karsten: same driver though, so i'd assume it would be configured the same if your card is actually capable |
| 19:05.27 | karsten | stew: OK. |
| 19:05.33 | karsten | stew: What are the larabie fonts? |
| 19:05.42 | belkin | whats the package i need to be able to use " mail " in terminal ? |
| 19:05.43 | kaffien | so if i get vista business ill be able to use directx 10 games right? |
| 19:06.01 | karsten | !tell belkin about search |
| 19:06.02 | stew | karsten: fiik. |
| 19:06.02 | mne | hi, I set my systemw ide locale to en_US.utf8 using "dpkg-reconfigure locale". Unfortunately, some gnome apps (e.g. gnome-terminal) still set the character encoding to ANSI_X3.4-1968 instead to UTF8. how can I change this, it is really annoying |
| 19:06.15 | stew | kaffien: wrong channel |
| 19:06.21 | kaffien | woops |
| 19:06.23 | kaffien | sigh |
| 19:06.27 | kaffien | two many channels |
| 19:06.38 | markulia | Hello. I have a tftp server thats setup to only give a access to one ip. Now i wanna let it give access to another computer. But i don't remember how i did setup that access limit. |
| 19:06.50 | markulia | Its iptables anyway |
| 19:06.51 | belkin | karsten i know about searching .. the output its too much :) |
| 19:07.07 | karsten | belkin: grep and less are your friends. |
| 19:07.16 | karsten | belkin: ... and you can search for binaries as well. |
| 19:07.21 | eisen | mailx |
| 19:07.27 | justin | markulia: sure it's iptables, not /etc/hosts.deny or such? |
| 19:07.29 | karsten | belkin: /usr/bin/mail or /bin/mail. Use auto-apt search |
| 19:07.46 | markulia | Justin nothint in there. |
| 19:07.50 | karsten | belkin: We've got the same tools you do. We just know how to use 'em. |
| 19:08.01 | belkin | thats right |
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| 19:08.32 | markulia | Im am not exactly sure what tftp server i have.. I thought i had tftp-hpa, But i cant see any start line in inetd.conf |
| 19:09.01 | concept10 | kaffien, you thought you would be able to rile up the zealots with that foolishness? |
| 19:09.22 | justin | markulia: try dpkg -S tftpd |
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| 19:09.26 | harleyg | evening |
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| 19:10.25 | harleyg | i built firefox 1.5.0.9, but the icon in taskbar etc is the X icon. i want the icon to be the favicon of the site i am on (like the debian build). is this an option in a config file or what? |
| 19:10.26 | markulia | justin, Its tftp-hpa.. But how does it start at boot up? |
| 19:11.41 | kaffien | concept10, it was typo man |
| 19:12.02 | kaffien | i really wish debian supported directex 10 :( or even 9 |
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| 19:12.21 | harleyg | ...:/ |
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| 19:12.44 | pipeline | Then get crackin', kaffien. |
| 19:12.47 | pipeline | Nobody's holding you back. |
| 19:12.48 | concept10 | we dont need direct |
| 19:13.01 | concept10 | x 1 .. 10 |
| 19:13.13 | concept10 | it would be nice |
| 19:13.16 | justin | markulia: /etc/init.d/? |
| 19:13.29 | kaffien | ah then how do you propose we play games like wow, ffxi, vanguard, uo everquest, etc etc etc etc |
| 19:13.53 | abrotman | games ? |
| 19:13.58 | fireba11 | kaffien: ffxi is a bad example since it only runs on ps2/3 anyway |
| 19:14.04 | abrotman | kaffien: you use opengl .. or SDL |
| 19:14.07 | markulia | justin, Yes ofcourse:).. but i still not get whats blocking the connection |
| 19:14.15 | markulia | and im think im tired |
| 19:14.18 | concept10 | kaffien, just play the armagetron and everything would be okay |
| 19:14.21 | kaffien | its really to bad none of those games was built upon it |
| 19:14.21 | justin | markulia: is it iptables ? |
| 19:14.34 | kaffien | were built on sdl etc |
| 19:14.40 | pipeline | kaffien: I propose you write a directX for Linux/i386, and not me. |
| 19:14.48 | kaffien | hehehehe |
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| 19:14.57 | kaffien | i'll need 1.5 errr startup capitol |
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| 19:15.36 | kaffien | 1.5 mil that is |
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| 19:15.39 | pipeline | You go dig up those VCs. |
| 19:15.39 | markulia | justin, No im know that. I have double checked. |
| 19:15.39 | pipeline | Pitch them the promise of the massive 1% userbase. |
| 19:15.40 | concept10 | heh |
| 19:15.40 | pipeline | I'm sure they'll line right up. |
| 19:15.40 | markulia | justin, do you know any other way it could be blocked? |
| 19:15.47 | karsten | stew: Looks like that may have worked. |
| 19:15.51 | x-- | i wonder... having linux instead of this shit windows mobile... |
| 19:15.53 | markulia | exepct hosts.allow (deny? |
| 19:15.59 | x-- | i'd fly so high |
| 19:16.30 | concept10 | Linux will never take over a gaming market, even if Direct X 10 was ported |
| 19:16.33 | karsten | stew: Thanks tens. |
| 19:16.38 | stew | karsten: cool, np |
| 19:16.46 | karsten | stew: Erm, tons. |
| 19:17.14 | concept10 | People will just go bananas and splinter it off into 10 more libraries |
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| 19:17.38 | pipeline | concept10: Don't worry, it's not going to anyway. |
| 19:17.38 | x-- | anyone has experience running linux on smartphones? |
| 19:17.49 | pipeline | x--: Unless your smartphone comes with linux, you're not going to get linux onto it. |
| 19:17.55 | pipeline | x--: If it does come with linux, you're not going to hack it. |
| 19:17.59 | karsten | bbias restarting X |
| 19:18.00 | pipeline | x--: So.... |
| 19:18.19 | tralala | x--, /msg dpkg laptops |
| 19:18.21 | concept10 | pipeline, are you sure it doesnt run linux? |
| 19:18.36 | concept10 | I have sarge running on a beer bottle |
| 19:18.38 | harleyg | i built firefox 1.5.0.9, but the icon in taskbar etc is the X icon. i want the icon to be the favicon of the site i am on (like the debian build). is this an option in a config file or what? <--- 2nd time :P |
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| 19:18.45 | Wettoad | In etch: the php4 cron job is taking out our server about once a month. I do not see a bug on this, is anyone familar with it....? |
| 19:19.11 | fireba11 | Wettoad: it should only clean up stuff afaik ... |
| 19:19.27 | concept10 | harleyg, just replace the icon with the one you like |
| 19:19.30 | belkin | its the entry in /etc/hosts " also required ? 127.0.1.1 |
| 19:19.32 | fireba11 | Wettoad: treid debugging it ? |
| 19:19.45 | harleyg | concept10, you are not understanding the question. |
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| 19:21.07 | fireba11 | harleyg: not sure if that is configurable |
| 19:21.07 | Wettoad | fireba11: I am still looking through the log files, it only happens about once a month and only in the middle of the night.... It may not be php.... |
| 19:21.10 | concept10 | harleyg, a favicon? come on man, this isnt mac os x, you want a bouncing, smiling icon jumping around saying hi, click me!? |
| 19:21.22 | harleyg | no, i just dislike the X icon ;) |
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| 19:21.28 | harleyg | it is plain, and anoying |
| 19:21.34 | fireba11 | Wettoad: "about" ? the cronjobs should run on every 1st ... |
| 19:21.39 | belkin | its the entry in /etc/hosts " also required ? 127.0.1.1 or 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost yourmachine.example.com should do ? |
| 19:21.41 | concept10 | harleyg, are you on gnome? |
| 19:21.51 | harleyg | kde |
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| 19:22.14 | concept10 | im sure kde has an option to change the icon |
| 19:22.22 | harleyg | no, thats the icon to launch it. |
| 19:22.27 | harleyg | i mean in the toolbar + task bar. |
| 19:22.38 | concept10 | harleyg, oh, sorry |
| 19:22.42 | vortec | hi there, can anyone tell me how i get into the setup of exim4 again? i mean these screens with the blue background and red ncurses boxes |
| 19:23.09 | concept10 | harleyg, it may be the type of theme, window border you use |
| 19:23.15 | asg | vortec: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:23.19 | karsten | stew: lurvilinessesness. |
| 19:23.22 | harleyg | hmm |
| 19:23.23 | belkin | how do i reload .. or refresh or whatever /etc/hosts ? |
| 19:23.23 | dendrite | vortec: eximconf or eximconfig, iirc. |
| 19:23.29 | chops | vortec: eximconfig? dpkg-reconfigure exim4? |
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| 19:23.40 | karsten | belkin: You don't. It's accessed directly by the resolver. |
| 19:23.53 | belkin | ok |
| 19:23.57 | vortec | thanks guys! |
| 19:24.10 | concept10 | great success! |
| 19:24.21 | jabka | how can i start the mmc card |
| 19:24.27 | jabka | reader |
| 19:24.27 | harleyg | huzaah! |
| 19:24.33 | belkin | but i still think that unnecessary127.0.1.1 line from /etc/hosts its unnecessary |
| 19:24.35 | belkin | isnt it ? |
| 19:24.43 | asg | jabka: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:24.44 | concept10 | harleyg, did you change the window border? |
| 19:24.59 | harleyg | no but im sure this has nothing todo with it |
| 19:25.12 | harleyg | it is firefox or some type of config. |
| 19:25.22 | harleyg | the debian build (iceweasel) has this |
| 19:25.25 | concept10 | harleyg, you are not sure if you dont try, this happens al the time |
| 19:25.26 | Seb | plapointe: ping |
| 19:25.42 | jabka | asg : i don;t have an entry in /dev |
| 19:25.43 | plapointe | Seb: ping |
| 19:25.54 | jabka | for the mmc device |
| 19:26.00 | Seb | plapointe: ok |
| 19:26.15 | asg | jabka: most mmc card readers expose themselves as usb-storage devices; /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 19:26.41 | jabka | i have lodaed sdhci |
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| 19:26.56 | knoxy | is recommended to use volatile repository? I need upgrade my clamav.. (sarge) |
| 19:27.10 | karsten | What are good config file mgt tools, single-host. Eg: cfengine, what else? |
| 19:27.17 | plapointe | query Seb maintannet |
| 19:27.20 | karsten | knoxy: Yeah, that's what volatile's about. |
| 19:27.38 | asg | karsten: some people like to keep them in rcs,cvs,svn |
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| 19:27.46 | karsten | knoxy: It's the constantly-updated cdata component of packages which need current data. AV and antispam, etc. |
| 19:27.54 | [H]3b0R | hello, where can i get testing netinstall iso image? |
| 19:28.07 | knoxy | karsten hmm.. |
| 19:28.11 | karsten | asg: Yeah, that's probably plan A. |
| 19:28.14 | karsten | !netinst |
| 19:28.14 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 19:28.16 | jabka | asg : there no /dev/sd? and no /dev/mmc* |
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| 19:28.39 | concept10 | [H]3b0R, there probably inst one |
| 19:28.50 | asg | jabka: does the output of 'dmesg' show anything at all related to usb storage? mmc? |
| 19:28.59 | cwheeler | abrotman any hints on changing my wm? I'm looking at the docs on gnome.org now |
| 19:29.08 | jabka | mmc0: SDHCI at 0xc0202800 irq 233 DMA |
| 19:29.11 | [H]3b0R | concept: am i suposed to download like 14 cds then? |
| 19:29.29 | jabka | it loads the modules but won't create a device |
| 19:29.39 | concept10 | [H]3b0R, no, use the sarge netinstall and change the sources to testing |
| 19:29.57 | Seb | karsten: may I ask a favor ? Would you mind PMing me once ? |
| 19:29.57 | [H]3b0R | ok |
| 19:30.01 | fireba11 | [H]3b0R: there is alos a etch netinstall of course |
| 19:30.04 | knoxy | karsten backports and volatile is a secure updated repositories? |
| 19:30.11 | [H]3b0R | fireball: link? |
| 19:30.26 | Seb | karsten: i think i'm might be having ignore problems, so I need a beta tester heh |
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| 19:30.39 | karsten | Seb: Received? |
| 19:30.52 | karsten | knoxy: Dunno. Check repo policies. |
| 19:30.54 | Seb | karsten: thanks a lot, that worked |
| 19:30.58 | karsten | Seb: Cool. |
| 19:31.06 | Seb | karsten: so the problem is on my friend's problem |
| 19:31.10 | fireba11 | [H]3b0R http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:31.21 | Seb | karsten: although I dunno if someone who can't PM correctly should be called a friend anymore heheheheh ;) |
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| 19:31.57 | plapointe | Seb: That hurts |
| 19:32.08 | abrotman | cwheeler: killall <whateveryou'reusingnow> && fvwm |
| 19:32.16 | karsten | Seb: If they're not registered, they can't PM you by default. |
| 19:32.19 | Seb | plapointe: it was the point ;) |
| 19:32.44 | Seb | karsten: that a freenode thing ? |
| 19:32.45 | karsten | Seb: Aye |
| 19:32.53 | concept10 | I need a script that comes in a sweeps this bullshit from my system |
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| 19:33.01 | cwheeler | abrotman that will change it permanantly? |
| 19:33.07 | karsten | cwheeler: What bullshit? |
| 19:33.09 | Seb | karsten: well it seems i picked the right beta tester then, I didn't know that :) |
| 19:33.11 | karsten | concept10: ^^ |
| 19:33.19 | karsten | Seb: Now you do. |
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| 19:33.30 | Seb | plapointe: you heard the man, now go and register you lil' punk... |
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| 19:33.45 | plapointe | Seb: I hate you |
| 19:33.46 | Seb | karsten: PMing between 2 unregistered users is fine, though, right ? |
| 19:33.51 | plapointe | karsten: thanks |
| 19:33.54 | karsten | Seb: Dunno. I think not. |
| 19:33.56 | cwheeler | what karsten ? |
| 19:34.02 | concept10 | karsten, orphaned libraries, config files, hidden folders, |
| 19:34.07 | karsten | cwheeler: ignore my tab complete. |
| 19:34.11 | karsten | concept10: deborphan |
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| 19:34.17 | Seb | karsten: well you helped a good deal already, thanks a lot ! |
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| 19:34.21 | n3kl | Hi. Why would cating /proc/cpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temprature return the same value all the time, even when the tem should be chaning. Is there some package I need to get to make this work correctly? |
| 19:34.29 | [H]3b0R | what is the meta package for xorg 7.1? |
| 19:34.33 | karsten | concept10: ... and purge your uninstalled packages if you want to lose config files. Learn to love Debian Policy. |
| 19:34.37 | karsten | !tell concept10 about debian policy |
| 19:34.50 | karsten | concept10: ... well, that was pretty useless. Google it. |
| 19:34.53 | groony | hello my friends, I'm using a DSL based on debian as far as I know |
| 19:34.59 | concept10 | karsten, I know about deborphan, have you used it? does it actually work? |
| 19:35.01 | karsten | !not debian |
| 19:35.02 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 19:35.08 | karsten | groony: ^^ |
| 19:35.18 | karsten | concept10: It lists orphaned libs. Yes, it works. |
| 19:35.26 | fireba11 | concept10: of course, otherwise it wouln't exist |
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| 19:35.38 | karsten | concept10: There's also some pretty neat apt-cache tricks you can play WRT depends / reverse depends, if you want. |
| 19:35.47 | n3kl | What do I need to get cpu temprature monitoring working correctlty? |
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| 19:36.03 | karsten | concept10: If you want to remove them: aptitude purge $( deborphan ) ( I think ) |
| 19:36.23 | concept10 | karsten wants you to know: somebody said debian policy was Not A Stick To Beat People With |
| 19:36.30 | concept10 | wtf |
| 19:36.32 | concept10 | heh |
| 19:36.33 | groony | But I don't know how to download with ftp or wget, I just don't understand the principle. I try to get rid of depending of GUI app's and want to learn more command line, like bash |
| 19:36.44 | fireba11 | n3kl: first step would be having a CPU that actually has reliable temperature sensors :-D |
| 19:37.04 | groony | when i start ftp, I get a tfp prompt |
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| 19:37.12 | ribasushi | hi |
| 19:37.14 | groony | but I don't know how to download |
| 19:37.22 | karsten | concept10: Yeah, that was a really useless factoid. |
| 19:37.34 | ribasushi | is there a place that holds older version of packages in a distribution? |
| 19:37.35 | tralala | groony, install ncftp and use ncftpget ftp://url |
| 19:37.37 | karsten | concept10: debian-policy is a very useful tool though. |
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| 19:37.42 | ribasushi | for instance http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libdatetime-locale-perl&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 19:37.44 | karsten | !tell ribasushi about backports |
| 19:37.54 | tralala | groony, or even better use wget |
| 19:37.58 | ribasushi | karsten: nope |
| 19:38.00 | n3kl | fireba11: Which I am not sure that this one does. I would just really like to use cpu frequency scaling so that the cpu does not get too hot, but in order to do that, I need to know the temp |
| 19:38.01 | karsten | ribasushi: ...and there's another one. |
| 19:38.09 | n3kl | it may not be possible the |
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| 19:38.15 | ribasushi | karsten: like in the above URL I want stuff inbetween |
| 19:38.19 | groony | ??? pfff, do I miss something? |
| 19:38.26 | wwallace_lap | how do install the nvidia drivers in debian? |
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| 19:38.32 | karsten | ribasushi: snapshot or something like that. |
| 19:38.34 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 19:38.34 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 19:38.42 | groony | how can I download if I don't know how to downlaod in linux from commandline |
| 19:38.50 | karsten | !tell ribasushi about snapshot |
| 19:38.54 | wwallace_lap | karsten: thanks |
| 19:38.56 | karsten | groony: Learn. |
| 19:38.58 | tralala | groony, apt-get install wget; man wget |
| 19:39.14 | groony | I already have ftp and wget |
| 19:39.21 | ribasushi | karsten: this is exactly what I needed |
| 19:39.22 | ribasushi | thanks man |
| 19:39.28 | karsten | ribasushi: NP |
| 19:39.32 | tralala | if you don't know what 'man' does: man man |
| 19:39.38 | n3kl | can anyone tell me what the /var/backups dir is for? |
| 19:39.38 | groony | but don't know how to use 'm, or give me a link with good tutorial |
| 19:39.54 | asg | n3kl: it stores backups of important files like /etc/shadow, etc. |
| 19:40.10 | n3kl | asg: so its a good idear to keep around |
| 19:40.20 | asg | n3kl: I would, the contents won't take up much space |
| 19:40.33 | karsten | n3kl: automated backup repo of some critical system files. It's _not_ a general data backup location for user files. |
| 19:40.50 | groony | hello please, I want to learn linux |
| 19:40.55 | n3kl | asg: thanks |
| 19:41.00 | asg | n3kl: you're welcome |
| 19:41.02 | groony | how to use ftp or wget |
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| 19:41.22 | tralala | groony, man wget |
| 19:41.27 | concept10 | groony, wget URL |
| 19:41.33 | n3kl | I am looking for a good network backup solution, karsten, and I am not sure where to start. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:41.34 | karsten | groony: RTFM. I'd recommend "Running Linux" (by O'Reilly) or another good basic Linux text. |
| 19:41.43 | groony | yes, but I just need an example, not a dictionary tralala |
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| 19:41.49 | karsten | groony: RTFM == Read the Fucking Manual, which is how we all got to where we are. |
| 19:41.56 | karsten | groony: Go back to Windows then. |
| 19:42.04 | n3kl | I am currently using tar and mounting an shfs partition on the remote machine, but I need something different I think. |
| 19:42.09 | karsten | groony: You're going to have to learn a certain degree of self-sufficiency. |
| 19:42.13 | tralala | groony, didn't you say you want to learn? |
| 19:42.47 | concept10 | groony, something like this: wget http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Fa%2Famarok%2Famarok-gstreamer_1.2.3-1_i386.deb&md5sum=8bcdd9f3e111a5627db58eb9d8e33609&arch=i386&type=main |
| 19:43.15 | groony | aaah it's hard to understand me man, it's not because I'm lazy or something, it's because I don't have enough time as a father of two kids. |
| 19:43.37 | groony | I understand your frustration, but if you won't help I can live with that |
| 19:43.44 | concept10 | wget works well with kids |
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| 19:44.57 | concept10 | groony, like I said, just use wget and insert the url afterwards |
| 19:45.10 | groony | if I come from work, I have to eat, play with the kids, wash some dishes and than I'm a bit exhausted. Still yet I love Linux enough to try to learn as fast as possible |
| 19:45.27 | sepski | groony, the first doc you should read is "man man" it explains a lot. and even seasoned linux users consult man pages daily. |
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| 19:45.42 | concept10 | groony, there is no learning linux fast, i promise you that |
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| 19:46.05 | groony | ahaaa ok, tought so. That's what I did with ftp, but than I get ftp prompt and a bunch of key's I can use |
| 19:46.17 | evilbulgarian | hi, i have a bridged openvpn setup. After connecting fine and using tunnel for about couple min i get this http://pastebin.ca/332037 so all traffic stops and then few minutes later it comes back again. Can someone please help? |
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| 19:46.50 | concept10 | groony, if you dont want to learn command line tools, get something like an extension for firefox |
| 19:46.58 | tralala | groony, learing linux is time consuming - if you don't have the time you won't be able to learn it. And asking on irc won't help either because the people will just tell you to read the manuals. |
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| 19:47.29 | _FeelFree_ | !seen eisen |
| 19:47.30 | dpkg | eisen is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 40m 8s, last said: 'mailx'. |
| 19:47.39 | sepski | !reference |
| 19:47.39 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
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| 19:47.46 | sepski | that's also a great read |
| 19:47.47 | groony | well I've read on the websites that I could go to irc channels to ask there for help? but I guess I read wrong |
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| 19:48.01 | fantomas | Hi. What is 'style' of '.psf' font and how to know of what style a font is? |
| 19:48.09 | Seb | groony: help, not doing your homework for you |
| 19:48.17 | groony | but anyway guys, thank you for your help |
| 19:48.18 | junix|work | how do i hold off a package? |
| 19:48.22 | junix|work | like apache2 |
| 19:48.23 | Seb | groony: now if you don't have time, install a graphical application that will do what you need |
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| 19:48.33 | karsten | groony: Specific well-formulated questions: yes. |
| 19:48.34 | sepski | groony, ask for help is ok. but usualy not for trivial things that are easily available in a manpage. if someone say man wget it's usualy so simple you should easily find it in the manpage :) |
| 19:48.39 | Seb | groony: and reserve the command-line tools for when you actuallu do get time to learn them |
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| 19:48.45 | karsten | groony: One-on-one tutoring and handholding: generally not. |
| 19:48.50 | groony | no never GUI, only command line man :) |
| 19:49.00 | concept10 | heh |
| 19:49.06 | plapointe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.11 | Seb | groony: you didn't read what I typed: if you don't have time to properly learn them, you can forget them right away |
| 19:49.13 | karsten | groony: Hell, even we use GUI sometimes.... |
| 19:49.24 | Seb | plapointe: sans l'espace heh |
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| 19:49.41 | groony | well guys, I think it will be error and trial |
| 19:49.44 | jeward_ | I have a strange problem running sudo from within a script. |
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| 19:50.01 | concept10 | groony, the way to use man pages is with grep |
| 19:50.31 | plapointe | Seb: youpi! |
| 19:50.34 | concept10 | I use grep man pages and look for a keyword sometimes, if its not there, I look elsewhere |
| 19:50.39 | groony | I might ask stupid questions you know, but I do have a certain knowledge of how things work, only need to learn the tools |
| 19:50.42 | Seb | concept10: huh ? |
| 19:50.49 | jeward_ | If I run sudo from with a script, it works fine. If I sudo the script that runs sudo, I get an error: jeward is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 19:50.59 | concept10 | Seb, yep, it works my friend |
| 19:51.02 | jeward_ | <within> |
| 19:51.07 | Seb | concept10: grepping manpages is a sorta silly concept, when you can hit / while reading one to search for something |
| 19:51.21 | Seb | concept10: just because "it works" doesn't mean it makes any kind of sense, though |
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| 19:51.40 | groony | by the way, today I wanted to login remotely from my work with putty running on windose |
| 19:51.47 | concept10 | Seb, well thats something I didnt know. |
| 19:51.57 | Seb | concept10: so now you too can use the way that makes sense ;) |
| 19:52.00 | concept10 | See there groony, you learn something new everyday |
| 19:52.05 | groony | but got a message tcp/ip timed out |
| 19:52.17 | groony | is that a familiar problem? |
| 19:52.22 | karsten | groony: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-tutorial/ |
| 19:52.42 | concept10 | Like I said, you dont learn linux fast, ive been using for over two years, and I didnt know about that |
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| 19:52.54 | karsten | Seb: it's actually useful to run a context-grep, say: man bar | grep -C4 <foo> |
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| 19:53.10 | karsten | Seb: .. into a pager, etc. |
| 19:53.12 | CJLucas | does anyone know if the debian install disc has sshd on it? |
| 19:53.18 | Seb | concept10: it's actually a feature of whatever pager you use to read man page ('more" or "less" usually); you can learn many other "tricks" like that by reading the man page for your pager |
| 19:53.25 | karsten | CJLucas: Don't believe so. |
| 19:53.33 | groony | I've configured the firewall for port 22 (ssh) to forward it in my local network at home, but somehow it timed out |
| 19:53.37 | CJLucas | bummer ok |
| 19:53.38 | Seb | CJLucas: i don't think so |
| 19:54.12 | jeward_ | If I sudo a script that in turn calls sudo, I get an error: jeward is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 19:54.20 | jeward_ | sudo works fine in all other ways. |
| 19:54.20 | groony | yes I've forwarded it to the right IPaddress |
| 19:54.27 | stew | CJLucas: which cd are you talking about? |
| 19:54.35 | CJLucas | one of the smaller ones |
| 19:54.40 | CJLucas | the business card one |
| 19:54.40 | jeward_ | Is there a better channel to ask about sudo on a sarge box? |
| 19:54.42 | CJLucas | or the other one |
| 19:54.44 | stew | CJLucas: definately not |
| 19:54.46 | groony | well today is not my lucky day |
| 19:54.47 | CJLucas | k |
| 19:55.05 | stew | CJLucas: those only install base, and ssh isn't in base |
| 19:55.07 | groony | ok thank you guys, maybe next time you're more careful with me |
| 19:55.10 | Seb | jeward_: why would you sudo a script that has sudo calls in it, is the reight question ? |
| 19:55.14 | Seb | s/\?// |
| 19:55.17 | CJLucas | k |
| 19:55.23 | groony | buy |
| 19:55.26 | stew | CJLucas: a cd1 would have a sshd package |
| 19:55.27 | jeward_ | seb: It's not my idea, it's the SocialText Makefile. |
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| 19:55.47 | CJLucas | stew: well my end goal was to be able to do the debian install via ssh |
| 19:55.48 | Seb | jeward_: sudo make install ? |
| 19:55.51 | jeward_ | seb: They say it works on hundreds of mchines. |
| 19:56.08 | stew | CJLucas: is the machine already running linux? |
| 19:56.22 | jeward_ | Seb Right, but their Makefile has: sudo -u nobody blah, blah, blah. |
| 19:56.30 | CJLucas | its not built yet, but no its not going to have any os on it |
| 19:56.37 | CJLucas | fresh install |
| 19:56.52 | concept10 | IRC is only worthwhile when you come on, ask a question, get fustrated and refer to the man page |
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| 19:57.18 | Seb | jeward_: so it's more likely a problem with their install, than one with your sudo install. Search their forums, or whatever support means they offer. |
| 19:57.44 | jeward_ | seb: I've been talking with their support people and they say it works on hundreds of machines as is. |
| 19:57.44 | |zetetic| | hi. I'm running debian etch with Firestarter and I don't have any services running. But when I do the grc.com test this site says I have port 1863 open! Does anybody know what's going on? |
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| 19:58.04 | jeward_ | seb: So they think it's either my particular host or debian. |
| 19:58.11 | chops | |zetetic|: First rule: don't go to grc.com |
| 19:58.17 | vortec | mhm, using dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should make "sendmail" work, or do i also have to mind other things? |
| 19:58.25 | chops | |zetetic|: You can run sudo netstat -nlp to find out what's listening on which ports |
| 19:58.33 | jeward_ | seb: It happens from a shell script as well. |
| 19:58.38 | belkin | anyone using roundcube ? |
| 19:59.20 | Ronin | |zetetic|: you happen to be behind a ISP proxy etc? it may not be scanning you but that |
| 19:59.28 | blondie | !anyone |
| 19:59.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 19:59.43 | jeward_ | seb: I'll test the shel script on one of our other 200 debian servers... |
| 20:00.24 | Taboo | Does any1 know how to amke debian boot quicker. If debian cant match the speed of archlinux I may convert back. |
| 20:00.33 | Taboo | make debian* |
| 20:00.47 | jeward_ | seb: Now that's interesting, it works on another sarge server! |
| 20:00.51 | chops | Taboo: You could remove services you're not using |
| 20:00.52 | libben | Taboo: why do u need to reboot so much? |
| 20:01.01 | libben | ;) |
| 20:01.04 | |zetetic| | chops: when I run netstat -nlp I don't see port 1863 open. But grc.com says port 1863 is open! You say I slhold not rely on grc.com... Can you please tell me why? grc.com test is not accurate? |
| 20:01.09 | junix|work | how do i hold off a package? |
| 20:01.13 | Taboo | libben, I dont need to I just like my system to boot quick |
| 20:01.17 | jeward_ | seb: I'll try reinstalling sudo. |
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| 20:01.22 | jeward_ | seb: Thanks. |
| 20:01.26 | Taboo | chops, debian seems slow in genral compared to arch |
| 20:01.30 | Seb | jeward_: well, then it is your sudo install; OTOH diffing 2 /etc/sudoers files should prove pretty painless :) |
| 20:01.31 | |zetetic| | Ronin: nope, I'm not behing any proxy |
| 20:01.37 | stew | Taboo: remove stuff you don't need, switch your /bin/sh to be dash instead of bash |
| 20:01.40 | libben | Taboo: compile ur own kernel with things u only want. |
| 20:01.43 | Seb | jeward_: reinstalling won't do much, it's most likely your sudo *config* that's hosed |
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| 20:02.35 | chops | |zetetic|: grc.com is not very reliable, no. It might have been open briefly for some reason, and is now closed -- does grc.com say it's open if you try it again? |
| 20:02.37 | |zetetic| | http://www.auditmypc.com also says I have port 1863 open... |
| 20:02.45 | Taboo | stew, libben, thanks for the info but im looking for an easy way of doing this. I guess its back to archlinux |
| 20:02.53 | chops | If netstat -nlp doesn't say it's open, then wherever it's going is not to your PC most likely |
| 20:02.55 | abrotman | what is port 1863 ? |
| 20:02.56 | Ronin | |zetetic|: box from your ISP? |
| 20:03.05 | libben | well, compiling ur own kernel isnt that hard these days |
| 20:03.17 | libben | as long u have some gui on the configuration |
| 20:03.20 | stew | Taboo: make sure your hard drive is using dma |
| 20:03.35 | Ronin | abrotman: msnp what ever the heck that is |
| 20:03.49 | |zetetic| | chops: yes, grc.com and auditmypc both say port 1863 is open, no matter how many times I retry the test |
| 20:03.49 | chops | |zetetic|: I guess it's possible that you have a rootkit that's listening on that port, but that seems unlikely. Can you try shelling to another server somewhere, then doing 'telnet your.ip.address 1863' and see what happens? |
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| 20:03.56 | abrotman | MicroSoft NNTP Protocol |
| 20:04.01 | vortec | |zetetic|: do you have any iptables rules? |
| 20:04.44 | |zetetic| | vortec: yes I have. I'm using Firestarter, and I have configured it to not allow any incoming connections |
| 20:05.18 | vortec | |zetetic|: try random ports then and see if they are shown as open |
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| 20:05.59 | |zetetic| | I'm also using koptete in order to access msn server, for instant messaging. And I know msn uses port 1863, but on firestarter I have that port only opne for outbound connections, not inbound |
| 20:06.23 | curt_ | e2fsck "-y" on a mounted dumped 600+ files into lost+found, is this reversible? |
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| 20:06.42 | Ronin | well that answers that then |
| 20:07.20 | libben | how do i enable my sound? |
| 20:07.31 | libben | i can hear a sound when starting kde |
| 20:07.44 | libben | and watching movies with vlc works |
| 20:07.47 | |zetetic| | chops: I will ask a friend of mine to telnet me on port 1863 and see what happens |
| 20:07.57 | libben | but surfing the web... watch a youtube flashmovie... no sound |
| 20:08.23 | curt_ | I guess that is why e2fsck asks if your sure you want to do that or not... |
| 20:08.38 | vortec | libben: use flash player 9 |
| 20:08.48 | libben | i do |
| 20:08.54 | curt_ | putting them all back where they go might now be though |
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| 20:10.23 | chops | libben: Try running 'aoss firefox' or whatever |
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| 20:10.42 | chops | libben: I know the flash plugin used to use OSS sound, which sometimes caused problems if you were running ALSA |
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| 20:11.10 | Hobz | I love a distro that has "An exhaustive exploration of Anarchist theory and practice" in the documentation |
| 20:11.44 | dkr | Hobz: jesux? |
| 20:12.16 | Hobz | Ironically enough, it's in the stable branch: http://packages.debian.org/stable/doc/anarchism |
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| 20:12.56 | Kyuss | Good afternoon people. I was looking for information on programming a BIOS utility. |
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| 20:13.00 | wes | where can I get the latest etch release minimal install cd? |
| 20:13.17 | karsten | !netinst |
| 20:13.17 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 20:13.30 | wes | I didnt see etch there |
| 20:13.42 | fantomas | wes: there is |
| 20:13.43 | wes | oh nvm |
| 20:13.44 | wes | I see it |
| 20:13.46 | Kyuss | wes, its difficult to get to, but it is there. |
| 20:14.07 | wes | :) |
| 20:14.19 | fantomas | wes: btw, etch netinst failed to installed for me |
| 20:14.32 | fantomas | wes: don't select anythng from 'tasksel' when it asks |
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| 20:14.40 | curt_ | is there some sort of lost+found recovery program? |
| 20:14.53 | fantomas | wes: do it later, after the system will up and running |
| 20:14.54 | wes | hmm alright |
| 20:15.19 | libben | chops: dont have aoss installed,... atleast it doesnt pop when i hit tab after typing aos |
| 20:15.41 | libben | but how can i seriously look on my soundcard and see if its working properly? |
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| 20:15.52 | chops | libben: sudo apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 20:16.03 | chops | libben: This is all assuming that you're using ALSA for your sound, of course |
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| 20:17.28 | Asche | hi, im not very good with english, but .. the word "spection" exists ? |
| 20:17.29 | Kyuss | Is there a better place to ask about programming a BIOS utility? |
| 20:17.30 | libben | chops: then how do i know i use alsa? |
| 20:17.32 | chops | Asche: no |
| 20:17.37 | Hobz | Asche, not that I know of |
| 20:17.44 | krazykit | Kyuss, probably |
| 20:17.45 | chops | libben: dpkg -l 'libasound*' |
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| 20:18.36 | abrotman | Asche: dictionary.com |
| 20:19.34 | curt_ | abrotman, i'm in a pinch .. do you know? (recovering lost inodes) |
| 20:19.47 | abrotman | big magnet! |
| 20:19.51 | curt_ | ha |
| 20:19.52 | abrotman | curt_: how'd you break them ? |
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| 20:20.10 | abrotman | curt_: how many files are in lost+found ? |
| 20:20.12 | libben | weird |
| 20:20.12 | curt_ | abrotman, e2fsck -y /dev/mapper/home |
| 20:20.18 | libben | dont have any sound in my videos anymore |
| 20:20.24 | curt_ | abrotman, 'bout 700 |
| 20:20.25 | libben | ooh.. wait.. ive made a new clean install |
| 20:20.26 | libben | hmm |
| 20:20.29 | _magez_ | how can i install debian? |
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| 20:20.38 | libben | how do i fix my soundcard so it works proper? |
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| 20:20.46 | karsten | !sound |
| 20:20.46 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 20:20.58 | karsten | curt_: Ouch. |
| 20:21.28 | curt_ | karsten, i know .. I was hoping that I wouldn't have to put them back manually |
| 20:21.29 | krazykit | _magez_, http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 20:21.31 | karsten | curt_: You've pretty much got to eyeball them and see if you can recognize where they should go. |
| 20:21.42 | karsten | curt_: .. and while you're at it, buy a new hard drive. |
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| 20:21.59 | _magez_ | so what is this?: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 20:22.06 | curt_ | is the old information stored in the inode? |
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| 20:22.19 | _magez_ | somekind of fake |
| 20:22.19 | krazykit | _magez_, another way of installing debian without having to partition. |
| 20:22.29 | karsten | curt_: No, inode holds file stats, the file's location is actualy stored in the directory entry. |
| 20:22.29 | Asche | i have one problem, when y change my /etc/motd , and save it, when i restart the computer, the /etc/motd changes to the original |
| 20:22.33 | _magez_ | ok |
| 20:22.36 | karsten | curt_: ... which is apparently damaged. |
| 20:23.09 | karsten | Asche: See /etc/fault/rcS |
| 20:23.14 | curt_ | karsten, the drive is fine .. I was changing the size so that df and lvm where the same. |
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| 20:23.26 | karsten | curt_: Your data, your call. |
| 20:23.28 | curt_ | ...size |
| 20:23.46 | mfrisch | curt_: the data is lost the drive may be ok |
| 20:23.56 | Asche | y dont have the dir fault |
| 20:24.01 | Asche | in etc |
| 20:24.08 | libben | karsten: wich file to look in to see what is trying to get loaded? |
| 20:24.29 | curt_ | well i guess i'll start picking through the mess ... thanks |
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| 20:24.58 | libben | do i need to restart kde when i have chosen alsa ? |
| 20:25.10 | libben | in the kde sound system/hardware tab |
| 20:25.11 | libben | that is |
| 20:25.31 | mfrisch | libben: use alsaconf |
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| 20:27.15 | mfrisch | libben: and you have to be in the audio group too |
| 20:27.31 | libben | u mean user groups? |
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| 20:27.36 | chops | libben: Install alsa, make sure aplay works, see if random sound-using apps (kde and whatnot) work, then work on flash. That's my advice. |
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| 20:28.25 | Asche | karsten thanks |
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| 20:30.41 | wes | do I have to do anything special while burning the iso if I am doing it from a mac, and running it on a dell |
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| 20:31.16 | mfrisch | wes: a iso is an iso |
| 20:31.24 | wes | ok |
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| 20:31.36 | abrotman | don't burn more than 8x |
| 20:31.39 | [H]3b0R | whats the kernel-sorce package for my kernel? |
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| 20:31.45 | wes | abrotman: how come? |
| 20:31.49 | abrotman | [H]3b0R: which version of debian |
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| 20:31.56 | abrotman | wes: weird things happen .. burn doens't always work |
| 20:32.02 | [H]3b0R | abrotman: testing |
| 20:32.03 | belkin | anyone using roundcube ? i can read mails while usign it buy cannot send |
| 20:32.26 | abrotman | [H]3b0R: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 20:32.43 | wes | I changed the bios on the pc to boot form the cdrom first. . . but it just stalls out nothing happens on boot. Could that be the reason? Maybe I burned it at too fast of a speed? |
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| 20:34.01 | mfrisch | wes: some dells you goto f112 in startup to select cdrom |
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| 20:35.06 | wes | thats what I did mfrisch |
| 20:35.13 | wes | Hmm. . |
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| 20:36.04 | mfrisch | wes: don't know if mac has md5 to check it against the iso |
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| 20:36.47 | beardy | !seen ravenbird |
| 20:36.48 | dpkg | ravenbird <i=ravenbir@unaffiliated/simonrvn/bot/ravenbird> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11d 19h 10m 13s ago, saying: 'from memory, ! is what my sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not'. |
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| 20:37.22 | [H3b0R | hello, again, ive installed kernel soutrce but the nvidia driver installer still complains about no kernel source... |
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| 20:37.46 | curt_ | ooo . just so happens I have a backup on /dev/hdc .. this won't be that hard. |
| 20:38.10 | stew | asg: it was filesystem check. one of the new partitions i made somehow had a corrupt superblock |
| 20:38.12 | hark | [H3b0R: install the headers instead |
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| 20:39.32 | vulture | [H3b0R: use the debian package (nvidia-kernel-source, or even modules-assistant to do it for you).. |
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| 20:39.44 | jeef | what's the recommended way to load iptables if not initscripts? if-up.d and if-down.d? |
| 20:39.47 | [H3b0R | hark, hmmm it seems like im running 2.6.17 instead of 2.6.18 as teh source coresponds to |
| 20:39.55 | hark | !nvidia |
| 20:39.56 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 20:40.26 | earthian | hello, items in my gnome-panel thing change places after I CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE or if a Wine DirectX app crashes... |
| 20:40.33 | [H3b0R | hark: got no X... |
| 20:40.38 | plapointe | Seb: ping |
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| 20:41.02 | [H3b0R | earthian: lock them |
| 20:41.26 | [H3b0R | vulture doesnt have that package in my repository |
| 20:41.28 | hark | [H3b0R: you can use the nv driver.. or /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 20:41.46 | earthian | [H3b0R, does not work.. they change the places anyway.. to put them back I would need to unlock them first and then move.. :/ |
| 20:42.12 | earthian | and it really gets annoying |
| 20:42.17 | [H3b0R | hark: i have to use teh binary only, if i start xserver, now i will meet an black screen... |
| 20:42.22 | jjazz_ | earthian: I don't use Gnome, so this is just a guess, but perhaps their positions are not saved until you log out. Crashing X results in them going back to their original positions, so your replacing them doesn't get saved. |
| 20:42.58 | earthian | jjazz, the positions are saved etc. |
| 20:43.10 | earthian | its looks like a bug |
| 20:43.18 | [H3b0R | hark: why doesnt debian have the f**** kernel-sorce for my kernel?! |
| 20:43.24 | earthian | as they should not move there.. |
| 20:43.30 | stew | [H3b0R: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:43.36 | earthian | [H3b0R, which version ? |
| 20:43.39 | stew | [H3b0R: and why do you want kernel-source? |
| 20:43.45 | hark | [H3b0R: as i said, install the headers, not the source package |
| 20:44.01 | earthian | !info linux-src |
| 20:44.05 | [H3b0R | stew:2.6.17xxxx |
| 20:44.08 | earthian | !info linux-source |
| 20:44.22 | stew | [H3b0R: 2.6.17 was removed from debian becuase it is obsolete in light of 2.6.18 |
| 20:44.27 | [H3b0R | hark: well give me an package i need to install then... |
| 20:44.49 | stew | [H3b0R: why are you wanting the source for your kernel? |
| 20:44.50 | [H3b0R | stew: well then they should remove the kernel to... |
| 20:44.57 | [H3b0R | stew: nvidia driver... |
| 20:45.01 | earthian | [H3b0R, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 20:45.06 | stew | [H3b0R: the nvidia driver needs headers, not source |
| 20:45.13 | stew | [H3b0R: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:45.24 | [H3b0R | 2.6.17xxxx |
| 20:45.44 | stew | [H3b0R: oh, then in that case, debian doesn't have source for your kernel becuase they didn't compile your kernel, someone else must have |
| 20:46.05 | stew | [H3b0R: if it were a debian kernel, "uname -r" would report both a debian revision and an arch |
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| 20:46.22 | janttsu | i'd like to install debian to ramdisk.. where should i begin? i need to boot from cd, install to ramdisk and eject the cd |
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| 20:47.47 | [H3b0R | okay, dist-upgrade seems to solve this, ill be right back if there is some more issues... |
| 20:48.02 | earthian | janttsu, boot to cd then mke2fs /dev/ram0 or so... then mkdir /ramdisk and mount /dev/ram0 /ramdisk |
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| 20:48.50 | earthian | janttsu, i am not 100% sure where and what is there.. but you should get the idea? |
| 20:49.31 | earthian | and the sizes of ramdisk are defined at boot time of the kernel.. i.e. the command grub or lilo uses when booting the kernel |
| 20:49.32 | janttsu | earthian: yes, that helped me to get started. thanks. |
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| 20:49.39 | belkin | its " svn " no available in debian ? |
| 20:49.43 | mfrisch | earthian: is that for a faster boot? |
| 20:49.57 | earthian | mfrisch, no |
| 20:50.14 | mfrisch | earthian: thin clients? |
| 20:50.33 | jjazz | belkin: package is called subversion |
| 20:51.17 | belkin | jjazz found it |
| 20:51.20 | earthian | i used to install debian once on a ram disk when was doing some weird things with etch/sid packages and isntalling amd64/i386 things there and there.. |
| 20:52.49 | earthian | i think i needed sid's dmraid source which I got by debootstraping sid to a ramdisk and apt-get source dmraid or so... do not remember exactly it was along time ago// |
| 20:53.06 | earthian | mfrisch, does that answers you questions? |
| 20:53.25 | belkin | how am i downloading stuff with " svn " ? |
| 20:53.48 | mfrisch | earthian: just one little one is it a file or something in ram or both? |
| 20:54.01 | earthian | hm |
| 20:54.08 | jjazz | belkin: full instructions are at http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 20:54.12 | earthian | well.. debian devices are files all of them.. |
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| 20:54.37 | earthian | you should better ask someone smarter that :) |
| 20:54.42 | mfrisch | earthian: its a device what constitutes the size |
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| 20:55.22 | [H]3b0R | hello again, how do i install the right kernel-header? ive heard about an trick with using uname -r in the package name, anyone? |
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| 20:55.38 | Simu-Palish | Hey, so, adduser works, but now I can't figure out how to restrict access to only the /home/username folder |
| 20:55.47 | Simu-Palish | I was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction to start reading. |
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| 20:56.05 | earthian | mfrisch, well... its a virtual block device that does not exists in reality but takes the blocks from ram.. and when you make filesystem there it becomes a ramdisk... you could also make a swap there for that matter :D |
| 20:56.06 | tuvwx | [H]3b0R, dumb-easy way: m-a prepaer (install module-assistant if command not found) |
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| 20:56.20 | PWizard | hallo |
| 20:56.22 | tuvwx | [H]3b0R, s/prepaer/prepare |
| 20:56.34 | abrotman | [H]3b0R: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 20:56.37 | jjazz | !nickometer [H]3b0R |
| 20:56.39 | dpkg | '[H]3b0R' is 98.650% lame, jjazz |
| 20:56.52 | abrotman | [H]3b0R: apt-get install linux-source-$(uname -r) |
| 20:56.56 | mfrisch | earthian: I would think that would speed things up in boot. May have to check it out thanks |
| 20:57.03 | stew | abrotman: wake up |
| 20:57.09 | abrotman | i'm up! |
| 20:57.09 | tuvwx | abrotman, he was asking about headers |
| 20:57.12 | Simu-Palish | Basically I need to restrict the view access from all the other folders. |
| 20:57.15 | abrotman | damn you people! |
| 20:57.16 | earthian | mfrisch, ramdisk does not speed up boot. |
| 20:57.18 | stew | abrotman: that won't work |
| 20:57.28 | Simu-Palish | Need to make it so that a user that signs in can't move up any directories |
| 20:57.29 | stew | [H]3b0R: you need to find out where your kernel came from, becuase it didn't come from debian, ask whomever compiled it if they created a -headers package with it, or you should tell us what "uname -r" actually says |
| 20:57.33 | Simu-Palish | Anyone know how to do that? |
| 20:57.33 | stew | abrotman: my servers back up |
| 20:57.40 | earthian | initrd image which loads before the real kernel boot is a mini debian system in ram |
| 20:57.42 | abrotman | stew: what was wrong? or it just took a while ? |
| 20:57.55 | stew | abrotman: superblock on one of the partitions i had created was bunk |
| 20:58.00 | abrotman | doh! |
| 20:58.03 | stew | for the new /boot |
| 20:58.05 | stew | all better now |
| 20:58.11 | stew | byebye centos |
| 20:58.12 | abrotman | no roadtrip for you |
| 20:58.36 | stew | bikeride time for me |
| 20:58.50 | Hobz | pack a bowl and go for a blur |
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| 20:59.05 | abrotman | stew: it's pretty cold outside |
| 20:59.07 | stew | yeah |
| 20:59.17 | PWizard | I want to use a flash thumbdrive for logging on a diskless debian setup; What filesystem should I use on it? I want it to be hardened against fs corruption due to write interruptions, and I would prefer some sort of wear-leveling |
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| 20:59.31 | abrotman | stew: have fun .. and i have biking questions for you later :) |
| 20:59.32 | stew | abrotman: hopefully the roads in the park aren't icy, if they aren't i'll be fine, its still in the 20s |
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| 20:59.46 | Hobz | F or C? |
| 20:59.51 | stew | Hobz: F |
| 20:59.56 | Hobz | freakin' F |
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| 21:00.02 | stew | if it were C, i wouldn't be worried about ic |
| 21:00.04 | stew | ice |
| 21:00.09 | abrotman | or being cold |
| 21:00.16 | Hobz | so what's that in C, -5? |
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| 21:00.40 | abrotman | -6.6 |
| 21:00.46 | PWizard | q |
| 21:00.56 | PWizard | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.59 | PWizard | dammit |
| 21:01.10 | PWizard | q |
| 21:01.12 | earthian | PWizard, /quit without spaces anywhere :D |
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| 21:01.26 | earthian | <3 |
| 21:01.42 | abrotman | curt: there is no easy way ... |
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| 21:02.04 | Simu-Palish | Hello, I'm trying to figure out how to restrict access to only the /home/username directory |
| 21:02.10 | Simu-Palish | so that they can't move up to the parent directory |
| 21:02.15 | Simu-Palish | Does anyone know how to do that? |
| 21:02.20 | PWizard | clearly my warm fuzzy feelings re: ircII were due to selective recall. :( back to xchat |
| 21:02.26 | h2n51 | earthian: not your machine. YOU. don't you know what h2n51 is? :) |
| 21:02.31 | abrotman | !chroot |
| 21:02.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
| 21:02.46 | PWizard | anyway, good FS choices for flash-based logging drive? |
| 21:02.57 | h2n51 | PWizard: there is irssi (for irc) |
| 21:03.36 | earthian | h2n51 is your nickname? well... do you know what earthian means? :D |
| 21:03.38 | Miesco | How do I find what is using my sound card? |
| 21:03.54 | h2n51 | earthian: you're avoiding the question. I see how it is. |
| 21:03.56 | PWizard | h2n51, xchat will do the trick for now |
| 21:04.05 | Simu-Palish | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:04.17 | abrotman | Simu-Palish: it's not really all that helpful though |
| 21:04.20 | tuvwx | Miesco, lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 21:04.30 | Simu-Palish | abrotman: I wasn't going to nag you about it. :) |
| 21:04.40 | abrotman | Simu-Palish: i meant jailing a user |
| 21:04.41 | abrotman | !jail |
| 21:04.45 | tuvwx | Miesco, as root |
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| 21:05.30 | earthian | h2n51, i do not know what does that mean in other cases... and i am not very easy infectable by viruses... i just live a healthy life somewhere where polution levels are extremly low and where internet connection is extremly rare too :D |
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| 21:06.17 | rhsanborn | I'm trying to use the printer utility in (I believe) gnome to connect to an HP laserjet with a network card. Doesn't seem to be responding to ipp://{Ip address} but I can ping it's ip address. Any ideas? |
| 21:06.25 | h2n51 | earthian: execise your favorite search engine |
| 21:06.47 | h2n51 | earthian: exercise* |
| 21:06.56 | tuvwx | rhsanborn, i'd try http://localhost:631 instead of gnome utilities |
| 21:07.05 | mfrisch | RhastaW: dont think hp netcard is ipp I have used smb |
| 21:07.17 | rhsanborn | tuvwx, will do |
| 21:07.28 | h2n51 | I used raw :9100 for hp |
| 21:07.40 | tuvwx | rhsanborn, and yes, use jetdirect instead of ipp |
| 21:07.57 | tuvwx | rhsanborn, ipp is for cups remote print servers |
| 21:08.09 | rhsanborn | tuvwx, Cups makes it all so easy :) |
| 21:08.24 | earthian | ah.. birdflu? :) |
| 21:08.25 | Simu-Palish | Be gentle, I'm a linux noob, so here's a noob question. What's the default shell that debian uses? |
| 21:08.41 | mfrisch | bash |
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| 21:08.45 | tuvwx | rhsanborn, yes. you'll be using cups as the client, but you are connecting to jetdirect: the print server in hp network-ready printers |
| 21:08.45 | Hobz | bourn again shell, isn't it? |
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| 21:08.56 | Simu-Palish | bash, okay. Thanks. |
| 21:09.03 | Miesco | tuvwx: What window manager do you use? |
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| 21:09.10 | tuvwx | Miesco, gnome |
| 21:09.29 | tuvwx | Miesco, -> metacity |
| 21:10.03 | tuvwx | Miesco, and compiz on another machine |
| 21:10.38 | [H3b0R | how do i get full nrowegian lang support? i got partially norwegian, danish and swedish language support... |
| 21:10.56 | Miesco | tuvwx: How do I make iceweasel my default browser? |
| 21:11.14 | tuvwx | Miesco, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 21:11.26 | mfrisch | [H3b0R: help translate |
| 21:12.19 | [H3b0R | mfrisch: i don't think i have full support: if i have maximum lang support, then debian is the worst international distro ever made |
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| 21:15.42 | exspecto | how do i get dpkg to reinstall the default conf files for an already installed package? i've tried dpkg-reconfigure but it doesn't replace/create the config files |
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| 21:16.14 | fireba11 | exspecto: apt-get remove --purge; apt-get install |
| 21:16.31 | exspecto | when i tried that it threatens to uninstall about 100 different packages |
| 21:16.49 | fireba11 | exspecto: what package did you try that on ? |
| 21:16.57 | mfrisch | exspecto: aptitude reinstall doesn't change /etc |
| 21:17.09 | exspecto | well, my acpi events aren't working correctly |
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| 21:17.29 | exspecto | so i'm wanting to reinstall the acpi stuff |
| 21:17.54 | exspecto | i could have sworn there's a way to do what i want without removing first |
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| 21:18.04 | fireba11 | probably |
| 21:18.04 | exspecto | but it was a long command i don't recall any more |
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| 21:18.46 | exspecto | it was a dpkg command |
| 21:18.51 | exspecto | not apt or aptitude |
| 21:18.53 | exspecto | hrm |
| 21:19.00 | rhsanborn | tuvwx, Worked like a charm, thanks |
| 21:19.04 | karsten | exspecto: dpkg-reconfigure ... ? |
| 21:19.08 | exspecto | no |
| 21:19.11 | exspecto | doesn't replace the files |
| 21:19.39 | hark | exspecto: confnew/confmiss? |
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| 21:20.53 | exspecto | are those flags, or abbreviated questions? |
| 21:21.08 | exspecto | actually...confnew sounds familiar |
| 21:22.14 | exspecto | ah, i think that's it "dpkg --force-confnew |
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| 21:25.54 | karsten | Any idea why rdesktop wouldn't create a wmaker icon? |
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| 21:26.47 | Chocobo | Wow, debian rocks... this is my first time using it. :) |
| 21:26.47 | Chocobo | Using Etch RC1 |
| 21:26.53 | mfrisch | Chocobo: did you do the graphical install |
| 21:26.54 | karsten | !win Chocobo |
| 21:26.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, Chocobo! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
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| 21:27.10 | Chocobo | mfrisch, nope, I used the netinstall CD |
| 21:27.28 | mfrisch | Chocobo: linuxgui would have used the gui |
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| 21:27.35 | rhsanborn | Anyone know of a pdf viewer that allows you to select only odd or even pages? My printer doesn't have a duplexer, and I would like to do duplexing through the manual feed |
| 21:27.39 | Chocobo | I have added "main contrib non-free" to my sources, do you recommend anything else? |
| 21:27.51 | karsten | rhsanborn: pdf2ps and gv. |
| 21:27.57 | rhsanborn | karsten, thanks |
| 21:28.00 | karsten | Chocobo: Sounds sane. |
| 21:28.01 | Chocobo | mfrisch, shoot, wish I knew about that. It took me a couple tries to get it right :) |
| 21:28.21 | Chocobo | mfrisch, "linuxgui" as a boot option? |
| 21:28.41 | fireba11 | mfrisch: tried it a few weeks ago .. didn't make any real difference |
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| 21:29.18 | mfrisch | Chocobo: yes as the install boot option. works on my newer nvidia but not on an old intel |
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| 21:29.53 | Chocobo | mfrisch, hmmm... I have both an nvidia and an intel in the same machine. Perhaps it would half work. |
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| 21:30.59 | mfrisch | Chocobo: for newbies it is nice to have a graphical display its the same process either way |
| 21:31.01 | factotum | is there a way i can see how much space on my hard drive is taken up by gnome and nautilus? Not including apps I suppose. |
| 21:31.25 | karsten | factotum: du. Or look at package sizes in package descriptions. |
| 21:31.44 | factotum | yeah, I was just wondering that, if I could just look up pkg info |
| 21:32.15 | karsten | factotum: du -s /usr/lib/gnome-* /usr/lib/kde3 |
| 21:32.21 | karsten | factotum: ... is a rough estimate. |
| 21:32.28 | Chocobo | mfrisch, at what stage did the gui fail during the install? I can reboot and try it... as long as I don't actually need to install the system :) |
| 21:33.05 | factotum | great, thanks karsten |
| 21:33.16 | tuvwx | rhsanborn, acroread can print odd or even pages only, too |
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| 21:33.22 | factotum | im just checking out the du man page |
| 21:33.25 | Chocobo | oops, sorry.. wrong button :) |
| 21:33.33 | fireba11 | mfrisch: it did work for me .. but i think normal installer is better :-D |
| 21:33.34 | mfrisch | Chocobo: as long as you reboot before you touch the partition creation tool you can see the first few windows |
| 21:33.48 | Chocobo | ok... brb |
| 21:33.52 | Chocobo | (thanks) |
| 21:34.04 | mfrisch | fireba11: me too but its cute |
| 21:34.32 | exspecto | thanks hark, i think that answered my question |
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| 21:35.46 | ajs | Does anybody know if it's possible to rebuild the dpkg 'available' file? |
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| 21:36.11 | mfrisch | fireba11: people like my brother-in-law need gui installs because he thinks it reflects what is installed on his computer |
| 21:36.19 | karsten | apt-cache --installed show $( dpkg --get-selecti |
| 21:36.21 | karsten | ons | awk '/gnome/ {print $1}' ) | awk '/^Size:/ {printf( "%s\n", $2)}; /^Package:/ {printf( "%s: ", $2)}' |
| 21:36.38 | Cholito | we have 3 pc's, 2 of them uses windows and see each other in the network, I have Debian etch and I cannot see those pc's in the network (msb://) any idea why I don't see them? |
| 21:36.45 | karsten | Or rather: apt-cache --installed show $( dpkg --get-selections | awk '/gnome/ {print $1}' ) | awk '/^Size:/ {printf( "%s\n", $2)}; /^Package:/ {printf( "%s: ", $2)}' |
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| 21:36.54 | hark | exspecto: ah, you can also pass apt-get this option as well. |
| 21:37.04 | fireba11 | mfrisch: :-D |
| 21:37.04 | karsten | factotum: ... gets close but double-counts a few packages. |
| 21:37.05 | janttsu | earthian: about the ramdisk again.. how in the world can i boot to a ramdisk? :D |
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| 21:37.16 | ajs | apt-cache --installed show |
| 21:37.16 | exspecto | i'm not sure it did what i wanted, but that's the command i was looking for |
| 21:37.16 | ajs | E: No packages found |
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| 21:37.18 | karsten | janttsu: With extreme prejudice. |
| 21:37.40 | karsten | janttsu: grub can handle it IIRC. or a variant of grub. |
| 21:37.56 | earthian | initrd does that. |
| 21:38.05 | earthian | and you do not need to boot into ram disk? |
| 21:38.06 | karsten | earthian: Slightly different situation. |
| 21:38.19 | karsten | earthian: .. though it should work. |
| 21:38.33 | earthian | why on earth would you need to boot into ram? |
| 21:38.35 | exspecto | probably doesn't carry over, but i'm using ubuntu edgy and when i hit the power button (in gnome) the dialog comes up to "ask me" what to do and then a shutdown is automatically initiated without me saying to do it. i figured reinstalling the scripts in /etc/acpi might help (though i don't believe i edited anything in there) |
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| 21:38.45 | earthian | it does boot into ram now anyway |
| 21:39.02 | earthian | all librarier and stuff goes extraced to ram.. and works in ram.. |
| 21:39.05 | janttsu | karsten: .. what i'm trying is to boot once from a cd, setup ramdisk and start using it |
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| 21:39.12 | earthian | and if you have loads of ram you do not need swap. |
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| 21:39.26 | lilliput | hello all |
| 21:39.33 | janttsu | earthian: i'm considering to install 4gb |
| 21:39.33 | earthian | ... nevermind. |
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| 21:40.05 | tuvwx | ajs, maybe you want aptitude search ~i |
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| 21:40.20 | Chocobo | mfrisch, the graphical installer worked like a charm. |
| 21:40.40 | lilliput | dpkg doesn't known xfce4.4 :( |
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| 21:40.54 | ajs | tuvwx, ..very good, thanks. |
| 21:41.08 | tuvwx | ajs, or better yet (much faster): dpkg -l |
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| 21:41.24 | ajs | tuvwx, that's the thing, dpkg -l is broken because it's corrupted |
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| 21:41.57 | tuvwx | ajs, and aptitude still works? |
| 21:42.03 | ajs | Yep! |
| 21:42.13 | tuvwx | ajs, that's good to know |
| 21:42.35 | ajs | Yep, now I just need to figure out how to use aptitude to regenerate the dpkg available file ;-( |
| 21:42.42 | tuvwx | looks like apt's db is different from dpkg's |
| 21:43.10 | tuvwx | ajs, reinstall maybe? |
| 21:43.19 | ajs | tuvwx, dpkg? |
| 21:43.31 | tuvwx | ajs, aptitdue reinstall <installed packages> |
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| 21:43.40 | tuvwx | ajs, it won't overwrite conffiles |
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| 21:45.20 | n3kl | how do you move a user dir? I amdoing usermod -m -d /var/user/user user. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:46.16 | ajs | tuvwx, figured out you need to dpkg --clear-avail, simply deleting the corrupt file isn't adequate. |
| 21:46.17 | libben | hmm.. my sound aint working ... i have made a lshw output. http://rafb.net/p/S5Dmcl46.html and on line 130 and down i see my sound card... when i look in adept in kde i dont have much alsa installed, only these 2, libsdl1.2debian-alsa and libasound2 installed. Should I install alsa-base to get working sound in my system? i have installed kmix also and removed the mute... so its not that holding me back |
| 21:46.24 | ajs | after that I did an apt-get update and it regenerated the file |
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| 21:47.16 | karsten | !sound |
| 21:47.16 | dpkg | sound is probably ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 21:47.32 | karsten | n3kl: mv <dir> <newdir> |
| 21:48.12 | karsten | n3kl: ... to change a user's *home* directory, edit /etc/passwd & /etc/shadow, directly or using appropriate tools. |
| 21:48.27 | tuvwx | ajs, that was easy. apt-get update is smarter than it looks ;) |
| 21:48.57 | karsten | lilliput: /msg dpkg search |
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| 21:49.06 | karsten | lilliput: IIRC xfce is the package. |
| 21:49.23 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 21:49.24 | dpkg | it has been said that alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 21:49.24 | lilliput | I was asking about 4.4 release |
| 21:49.41 | karsten | !tell lilliput about search |
| 21:49.46 | karsten | lilliput: ... as opposed to what? |
| 21:50.28 | karsten | lilliput: Looks like current is 4.0. |
| 21:50.37 | lilliput | karsten, ii xfce4 4.3.99.2 Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environm |
| 21:50.38 | karsten | !excuses |
| 21:50.38 | dpkg | somebody said excuses was Why Its Not In Testing Yet, or http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html, or the cat ate my homework. |
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| 21:50.57 | lilliput | from unstable |
| 21:51.14 | karsten | lilliput: There you ahve it. |
| 21:52.08 | lilliput | karsten, you still not get the question, I was asking if you knew when the 4.4 were going to be released this one is *quiet* old |
| 21:52.25 | karsten | lilliput: /msg dpkg excuses |
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| 21:52.37 | karsten | lilliput: ... and "wir" FWIW |
| 21:52.40 | libben | karsten: the sound url isnt really helping. cause it talks about old kernels and woody and sarge... but ill take it as i only need to install alsa-base and restart x ? |
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| 21:52.52 | karsten | libben: NFC. |
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| 21:53.41 | EvilDI | hi how can enable truetype in php ? |
| 21:53.50 | abrotman | you .. don't |
| 21:54.00 | hark | lilliput: That's RC2 and probably not soon. Try #debian-xfce or atleast the /topic there.. |
| 21:54.05 | abrotman | what does php have to do with fonts ? |
| 21:54.07 | libben | karsten: NFC ? |
| 21:54.28 | streuner | !nfc |
| 21:54.28 | dpkg | from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
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| 21:54.36 | libben | ;) |
| 21:54.44 | lilliput | hark thank you did not think this chan exists ;) |
| 21:56.33 | jm|laptop | hello |
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| 21:56.49 | jm|laptop | I am reading HOWTO on installing Debian onto an Intel Mac Mini |
| 21:57.09 | jm|laptop | I was able to partition my drive into two partitions before I installed Mac OS X - so I have 20GB 'free space' on the drive |
| 21:57.29 | jm|laptop | do I still need to use rEFIt or will Debian's grub work here? |
| 21:57.41 | ajs | I've got another question about apt pinning. I rebuilt a package from the repo without changing any of the rules/config and apt always wants to upgrade to the version in the repo. Can't figure out the Pin: syntax, or it's just not working. |
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| 22:03.21 | janttsu | any idea how i could monitor at what files are currently beign readed / writed? just want to know why my hard drives are keeping that noise all the time.. |
| 22:03.24 | Flimzy_ | What package contains the scripts that are run after the reboot during a fresh install? I've built a chroot, and want to run the standard config scripts now... |
| 22:03.30 | wes | Can someone give me a hand setting up my net, debian couldnt detect the dhcp during install, and I tried to enter my info manually but I couldnt scan a mirror or stat the security repo. I installed without it and now I am in debian, but can someone give me a hand getting my net up |
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| 22:12.32 | idilux | nur mal so ne Frage: Gibt es MFC als freie Version oder alles nur als Zahlemann |
| 22:12.54 | mfrisch | !de |
| 22:12.54 | dpkg | somebody said de was deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 22:15.09 | sousuke | !nl |
| 22:15.10 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 22:15.23 | sousuke | lovely |
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| 22:15.36 | Bogus8 | what package gives you nfs support? is nfs-common the same thing? |
| 22:15.56 | mfrisch | sousuke: that was dutch? |
| 22:16.13 | sousuke | a part of it |
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| 22:16.41 | sousuke | Bogus8, in kernel .. |
| 22:17.01 | crazy_penguin | good night/noapte buna |
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| 22:17.06 | Bogus8 | sousuke: just didn't see anything in /etc/init.d for nfs |
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| 22:18.07 | konkord | hello anyone working with plutohome.org |
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| 22:19.41 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.58 | Ronin | !anyone |
| 22:19.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:20.30 | deadcat | i think i need to diable preempt on my server? |
| 22:20.32 | abrotman | and what does plutohome have to do with debian ? |
| 22:21.05 | sousuke | everything! |
| 22:21.13 | Ronin | near as i can see nothing |
| 22:21.19 | sousuke | it has to do smth with the world too!! |
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| 22:21.44 | Ronin | no wait it has the word linux on that url |
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| 22:22.20 | krazykit | the kick-start CD (which is based on Debian's) |
| 22:22.25 | krazykit | that's as close as it comes |
| 22:22.31 | konkord | dpkg: thanks for the direction...real question: cannot edit /etc/apt/sources.list on a fresh plutohome 2.0.0.43 install, since some other process is constantly accessing it |
| 22:22.31 | dpkg | konkord: pas de quoi |
| 22:23.06 | mfrisch | he's talking to the bot |
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| 22:23.40 | Ronin | konkord: you know this is a debian support channel? |
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| 22:23.46 | Ronin | not a based on debian one |
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| 22:24.21 | konkord | pluto is heavily based on debian. in fact ist is debian with some scripts added |
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| 22:24.31 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 22:24.31 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 22:24.40 | YogSothoth | Good evening! |
| 22:24.41 | Ronin | konkord: but its not debian so we have no idea what theyve changed or modified |
| 22:24.43 | craigevil | it still not Debian |
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| 22:25.10 | konkord | ok got it sorry for disturbing you all |
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| 22:28.13 | concept10 | I just came to the conclusion that IRC is a worthless timewaster |
| 22:28.25 | Ronin | concept10: yet you're still here :) |
| 22:28.47 | concept10 | Ronin: partly because im worthless and wasting time |
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| 22:29.08 | Ronin | not that im denying your statement just pointing out :) |
| 22:29.42 | janttsu | /etc/mtab is being opened all the time.. is this normal? |
| 22:29.45 | streuner | stoned: ! :-) |
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| 22:29.58 | peterS | janttsu: I'm guessing it's being checked by some auto-mount daemon |
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| 22:30.42 | janttsu | peterS: it's causing some noise :D .. can i avoit it? |
| 22:30.45 | janttsu | *avoid |
| 22:31.07 | peterS | janttsu: noise? what sort of noise? it's a small file, shouldn't require a lot of disk access |
| 22:31.36 | janttsu | well.. these disk cause a lot of noice every time they read something :D |
| 22:31.47 | janttsu | 2 x 10000rpm raptors at raid 0 |
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| 22:32.07 | concept10 | Anyone knows what process kills beryl from managing the window? |
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| 22:32.31 | peterS | janttsu: well, I don't know what kind of auto-mount daemons you might have running. presumably something related to the startup of your GUI desktop environment, whatever that might be |
| 22:32.40 | peterS | janttsu: but if you find it, you can probably kill it without ill effects |
| 22:33.00 | janttsu | maybe i'll throw /etc into a ramdisk.. it only takes 5MB.. |
| 22:33.16 | peterS | that's an option |
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| 22:33.32 | peterS | but note that the act of mounting or unmounting the ramdisk will modify /etc/mtab. that might be fun to work with. |
| 22:33.56 | craigevil | concept10: you might want to ask in #beryl |
| 22:33.57 | concept10 | crap! Beryl be gone! |
| 22:34.06 | janttsu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.12 | janttsu | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.18 | concept10 | craigevil i did, no answer |
| 22:34.20 | peterS | I wonder why the kernel patch that eliminates the need for /etc/mtab still hasn't been applied. it has been _years_ since andries brouwer wrote and described the patch |
| 22:34.27 | Ronin | concept10: patience then ;) |
| 22:34.41 | curt | abrotman, it turns out that the lost inodes wasn't that hard because I had a backup on another disk .. mounted that disk and cp -au replaced everything missing |
| 22:35.04 | abrotman | curt: yay for backups! |
| 22:35.17 | hark | concept10: what wm do you want to replace it with? |
| 22:35.44 | concept10 | hark : I want to return to metacity |
| 22:35.58 | hark | concept10: try metacity --replace |
| 22:36.04 | concept10 | beryl isnt working with this new upgrade to stable |
| 22:36.17 | concept10 | i meant sid |
| 22:36.39 | janttsu | i'm using inotifywait now to monitor disk access.. but how do i know what process is using the file? |
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| 22:37.07 | h2n51 | concept10: what's bts say? |
| 22:37.08 | abrotman | concept10: beryl also isn't in debian |
| 22:37.20 | concept10 | hark: I got it, I just went on a killing spree in htop |
| 22:37.33 | h2n51 | isn't it berryl? |
| 22:37.39 | concept10 | abrotman : im running the svn |
| 22:37.43 | craigevil | concept10: try using the repo from here> http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-210.html |
| 22:37.50 | abrotman | concept10: that's ince .. ask them |
| 22:38.11 | concept10 | I got it, I just killed off everything |
| 22:38.16 | h2n51 | nm |
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| 22:38.31 | Jaus1 | Hi, I am using colinux with debian sarge, I use a bridged ethernet and all works fine, but tcpdump and cya cannot 'sniff' packtes from anothers host, any idea how to fix it? |
| 22:40.21 | btiffin | Jaus1; firewall rules? |
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| 22:41.19 | Ash-Fox | Could someone give me a list of common debian stable repositories? I accidently whiped my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:41.27 | h2n51 | Jaus1: is there a switch somewhere that's isolating it by design? you'll have to elaborate more on the topology and where you expect to see the visible traffic |
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| 22:43.32 | hark | Ash-Fox: /msg dpkg mirrors or run apt-setup |
| 22:44.05 | Ash-Fox | Thanks hark. |
| 22:47.10 | Cholito | when I do 'ls -lart /folder' I see the link I just made (in /var/www/) with blue letters and green background and in my web I I don't have access to that folder |
| 22:47.21 | Cholito | any clues? |
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| 22:48.59 | abrotman | apache might not follow symlinks |
| 22:49.05 | abrotman | (in the config file) |
| 22:49.56 | h2n51 | Cholito: check the server error log, it should be more explicit then the web page error |
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| 22:51.02 | Kaffien | How do I go about generating a default Xorg script? was it not X -config ? |
| 22:51.28 | belkin | chmod 777 /dir will change the permission to everything inside the dir ? |
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| 22:52.16 | h2n51 | belkin: only the directory. you might want sticky bit set to, for security. |
| 22:53.00 | belkin | h2n51 i only want to set chmod 777 for anyfile inside there .... i will change it back letter |
| 22:53.14 | belkin | how will i do that ? |
| 22:53.33 | h2n51 | do "that"? which that? |
| 22:53.44 | ofer0 | belkin, this is a BAD BAD BAD idea. |
| 22:54.00 | belkin | h2n51 chmod 777 option /path |
| 22:54.15 | ofer0 | belkin, you do it using chmod -R 777 /path/to/dir, but DO NOT DO IT UNLESS YOU KNOW WHY YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT! |
| 22:54.17 | belkin | only for a few min there is nothing importand into the path anyway |
| 22:54.40 | belkin | thanks |
| 22:54.49 | gabe | belkin: it may be hard to undo if files have various permissions |
| 22:55.09 | h2n51 | belkin: man chmod first, ls -dl /path to know the perms as they are now. |
| 22:55.20 | h2n51 | chmod -R ? are you insane? |
| 22:55.29 | streuner | !no, beryl is <reply> beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages are NOW in debian (unstable.sid) |
| 22:55.30 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 22:56.05 | h2n51 | belkin: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 22:56.24 | belkin | its a munted ext3 disk |
| 22:56.26 | belkin | empty :) |
| 22:56.30 | belkin | nothing can happend |
| 22:56.48 | h2n51 | fair enough. |
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| 22:57.06 | ki | Hello! |
| 22:57.09 | h2n51 | belkin: do you know that +t does for directories? |
| 22:57.34 | Cholito | h2n51: thanks ;) |
| 22:57.44 | ki | I want to know what advantages debian has over ubuntu? |
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| 22:57.56 | ki | I don't really like ubuntu. |
| 22:58.16 | ki | thanks |
| 22:58.29 | h2n51 | ki: there's a why debian on debian.org website. IMO we're less insane about release hype (better stability) |
| 22:58.31 | streuner | !start a OS war |
| 22:58.38 | streuner | !start an OS war |
| 22:58.39 | dpkg | BSD is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 22:58.46 | h2n51 | !start a distro war |
| 22:58.46 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
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| 22:58.49 | ki | hey no, I don't want an os war. |
| 22:58.57 | h2n51 | we're playing :) |
| 22:59.01 | ki | but yes, bsd is better :) AMIGA... er.... |
| 22:59.24 | ki | well in that case... |
| 22:59.28 | ki | anyone seen haiku? |
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| 22:59.39 | h2n51 | !seen haiku |
| 22:59.40 | dpkg | haiku <~joaquinz@200-42-63-44.cab.prima.net.ar> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 947d 5h 34m 38s ago, saying: 'thx u'. |
| 22:59.47 | ki | lol |
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| 22:59.50 | h2n51 | that would be a no. haha |
| 22:59.55 | ki | no I don't mean a guy named haiku. |
| 22:59.58 | ki | haiku the OS. |
| 23:00.01 | ki | opensource beos! |
| 23:00.08 | h2n51 | !haiku |
| 23:00.09 | dpkg | debian woody / stiffs out the competition / no pun intended, or an open-source binary-compatible clone of BeOS, see http://haiku-os.org |
| 23:00.13 | ki | not really finished yet, but it will be really nice I reckon :) |
| 23:00.15 | ki | (beos fan) |
| 23:00.29 | streuner | ki: please ask a debian related question. |
| 23:00.31 | h2n51 | beos has some neat things. |
| 23:00.36 | ki | okay sorry. |
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| 23:01.00 | ki | war finished. I wanted to know more about debian. Just read the docs you say? |
| 23:01.18 | h2n51 | !about |
| 23:01.18 | dpkg | enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client |
| 23:01.25 | h2n51 | er.. no dpkg. :P |
| 23:01.31 | h2n51 | http://www.debian.org/ - about |
| 23:01.40 | ki | Well I don't care too much for stability. Slackware is for that (eugh) I want latest but atleast in RC stage. |
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| 23:02.04 | h2n51 | dpkg: about is also http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
| 23:02.04 | dpkg | okay, h2n51 |
| 23:02.23 | Ronin | dont care about stability? |
| 23:02.33 | h2n51 | ki: sounds like sid, but you'll want to know how to resolve issues from unstable. |
| 23:03.07 | h2n51 | we don't support it, but we might offer more help if you've done your homework. bugs.debian.org is your friend. |
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| 23:03.39 | h2n51 | we're lazy lackies that push stable :P mainly because we don't have to baby everyone :) (no offense) |
| 23:04.08 | Ronin | h2n51: dont have time :) and if theyre running sid they should be able to fix it themselves |
| 23:04.18 | h2n51 | exactly |
| 23:04.31 | Ronin | etch however is a grey area heh |
| 23:04.50 | h2n51 | we help those who ... |
| 23:04.56 | dserban | I'm running a recent version of approx, and everytime I start it via its init script, it pumps a segfault message to the pertinent syslog handler. A segfault isn't exactly descriptive as to what the problem can be, what can I try next? |
| 23:04.59 | Cholito | I get "Directory index forbidden by Options directive" but I have no idea where to change it (I know in the file config, but where?) |
| 23:05.30 | dserban | Cholito: try dpkg -L apache2 |
| 23:05.42 | ofer0 | Cholito, show the Options directive from your /etc/apache2/sites-enables/* |
| 23:05.53 | ofer0 | grep Options /etc/apache2/sites-enables/* |
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| 23:06.24 | h2n51 | grep -i in the rare chance (as directives are not case sensitive) |
| 23:06.45 | h2n51 | <3 grep -ril |
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| 23:13.28 | ewoud | I kinda got a borked system: I had denyhosts from testing installed (together with python-central from testing). Now there's a bug in python-central <0.5.8 which prevents me from uninstalling denyohsts and >0.5.8 requires me to upgrade my whole system to testing. Anyone has python-central-0.5.8_all.deb? |
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| 23:13.51 | Cholito | ofer0: thanks =) checking it out |
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| 23:14.42 | Cholito | ofer0: done, thanks very much |
| 23:14.52 | Cholito | *err "thank you" |
| 23:16.09 | ewoud | or any other solution to my problem? (denyhosts is in a state where I can only reinstall it) |
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| 23:18.21 | beef_ | What terminal program for debian supports high baud rates (> 400000 bits/s)? |
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| 23:18.34 | beef_ | minicom and gtkterm don't seem to. |
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| 23:23.23 | iLLf8d | can anyone using a software raid setup gimme a bit of info about motherboard failure and host os failure, I can't seem to find many docks that address these issues? Can a raid array be physically moved to another pc? |
| 23:23.26 | karsten | beef_: Um, what's feeding bitrates that high? Serial's only good for ~11540 or so, right? |
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| 23:23.39 | iLLf8d | s/docks/docs |
| 23:23.48 | dhuv | hello all |
| 23:23.50 | twobitsprite | hmm... does anyone know of a good mp3 id3 tag editor? preferably one that'll do batch/etc file-renaming, etc... |
| 23:23.59 | iLLf8d | easytag maybe |
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| 23:24.20 | h2n51 | $1/day 9year old .cn worker |
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| 23:25.19 | iLLf8d | .cn? |
| 23:25.19 | karsten | iLLf8d: Chinese. |
| 23:25.19 | stew | !cn |
| 23:25.19 | dpkg | i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 23:25.19 | ki | yeah apparently debian is hard and I'm a bit noob . I just wondered if debian has any real advantages over ubuntu specifically. |
| 23:25.19 | iLLf8d | ah |
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| 23:25.20 | dhuv | I am running sarge on x86 and have apache2 installed, I am trying to compile a module by hand as there is no debian package available for this module, I wanted to know which directory path I should give in the --with-apache= flag |
| 23:25.20 | karsten | h2n51: bad bigot, no donut. |
| 23:25.20 | ofer0 | dhuv, which mod? |
| 23:25.31 | karsten | dhuv: Refer to your source documentation. |
| 23:25.32 | dhuv | ofer0: http://www.genos.org/en/index.php?p=apache |
| 23:25.39 | twobitsprite | ki: depends on why you want to run linux |
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| 23:25.55 | ki | because all the pros seem to gentoo or slackware or debian. Most are debian users who wine "gentoo takes too long to set up.. may as well get LFS" and "slackware is so out of date.. it still has 2.4 kernel" |
| 23:25.55 | dhuv | karsten: the example is /usr/local/apache2 which obviously will not work |
| 23:25.59 | ki | *whine |
| 23:26.07 | iLLf8d | ki more packages, larger knowledgeable community (ie the users usually know more about system administration) |
| 23:26.24 | stew | ki: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:26.27 | stew | ki: please keep it on topic |
| 23:26.29 | dhuv | I have tried /usr/lib/apache2 and /etc/apache2 but I get "checking for Apache directory... configure: error: /etc/apache2/ not found. Check the value you specifiedith --with-apache" |
| 23:26.38 | ki | how am I not on topic? |
| 23:26.42 | karsten | dhuv: Sounds like it's supposed to be your apache config directory, which would be /etc/apache2, possibly your apache libraries directory. What's this supposed to represent. |
| 23:26.53 | iLLf8d | ki just try it and see if its for you |
| 23:26.56 | karsten | ki: You lose by arguing this. |
| 23:27.34 | iLLf8d | ki if not try something else |
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| 23:27.34 | stew | ki: slackware, gentoo, lfs, etc are off topic |
| 23:27.35 | iLLf8d | meh who cares |
| 23:27.35 | ki | oh. suppose. |
| 23:27.54 | karsten | ki: Read Manoj's articl (srivasta). Quite good. |
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| 23:28.13 | ki | well I did try out debian but I didn't get much of a chance as my motherboard blew up not long after and then my sister scratched my cd. |
| 23:28.23 | ofer0 | ki, most "pros" don't talk to kids and tell them which distro is the best. most "pros" are very busy. |
| 23:28.25 | iLLf8d | ki linux dists are very personal it all depends on what you like (even if you don't know it yet) |
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| 23:28.40 | ki | installer was nice.. took a bit long though. sort of like freebsd installer (sorry! I am just describing, not talking about freebsd) |
| 23:29.25 | ki | hey, I'm not asking which is the best! I am just asking why you guys like it so much. Apparently you get a lot more freedom, how so? |
| 23:29.34 | stew | ki: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 23:29.36 | twobitsprite | ki: don't worry about being off-topic.. there are a few people here who'll complain, but no need to walk on eggshells |
| 23:30.00 | twobitsprite | ki: as long as you keep it geeky and generally about linux, or somehow relating to debian, most people won't mind |
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| 23:30.08 | ki | thanks for the why debian thing. |
| 23:30.34 | ki | Maybe I'll give debian another chance. Afterall, it wasn't its fault my motherboard blew up and my sister scratched my cd. |
| 23:31.39 | dkr | don't let your sisterboard scratch your mother's blow |
| 23:31.39 | iLLf8d | ki I like it cause I've been using it for years and am comfortable with it. For me at least its very dynamic and makes it easy for me to change things on the fly and recover from my screwups |
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| 23:32.21 | twobitsprite | iLLf8d: unless you C-C in the middle of an apt install... |
| 23:32.25 | twobitsprite | iLLf8d: that sucks |
| 23:32.48 | ki | And I know it depends on what you like, I'm not that noob at Linux! I've used it for 8 months or so. I just wonder about debian because ubuntu is debian based and it doesn't seem very nice to me. I dont get the point of it because it is noob friendly. Usually, even though you don't get as much freedom, it ballances out because it is out of the box. Except with ubuntu you still have to do everything manually anyway.. |
| 23:32.50 | iLLf8d | install of apt itself? |
| 23:32.53 | iLLf8d | or a package |
| 23:32.54 | ki | just in an "easy" way |
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| 23:32.57 | twobitsprite | iLLf8d: package |
| 23:33.03 | iLLf8d | twobitsprite, I cc often cause I forget things |
| 23:33.14 | iLLf8d | or I spy a recommends or something I wanna add in |
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| 23:33.32 | ki | so I want to know what the actual debian is like, not a debian ripoff. |
| 23:33.41 | iLLf8d | twobitsprite, thats where --reinstall or --purge comes in when things go wrong |
| 23:33.43 | ki | illff8d: every debian user tells me that |
| 23:33.54 | twobitsprite | iLLf8d: if you do it while it's updating the database it seems to screw up... at least I had a hard time fixing that |
| 23:34.05 | ki | what makes it so easy to customise? |
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| 23:34.10 | iLLf8d | ki debian can be very different experiences the way you approach it |
| 23:34.22 | dkr | ki: 20000-ish packages |
| 23:34.24 | iLLf8d | ki if you run stable it'll be one, testing another and sid yet another |
| 23:34.34 | iLLf8d | you really gotta determine where the experience is that you desire |
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| 23:34.55 | Kaffien | what is the latest safe version of apache? |
| 23:35.03 | iLLf8d | ki and since it sounds like you're in the testing phase you should play with them all |
| 23:35.04 | Kaffien | my email system wants apache 2.2 |
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| 23:35.57 | dkr | 2.2.x is the stable branch, which etch defaults to as of a few months ago |
| 23:36.03 | iLLf8d | ki I'd recommend testing or sid but most would probably recommend stable or testing |
| 23:36.21 | iLLf8d | testings a good starting place for most |
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| 23:36.52 | ki | well I guess I'll tell you what sort of OS I usually prefer: One that has a long installer is fine, I prefer it to try and set it up before I go breaking things. I do want out of the box, but I don't want boundaries (I want to be able to change everything with ease... say for example if it comes with kde not have to worry about missing libs and dbus daemon not installed to switch to the latest stable xfce) |
| 23:37.36 | ki | is testing the one with the gui installer? |
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| 23:37.55 | dkr | ja |
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| 23:38.01 | iLLf8d | iirc yes |
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| 23:38.14 | ki | gui installers work better.... sometimes. Suse has a gui installer which is REALLY good. pity it doesn't even let me update kernel (weird unexplainable errors) |
| 23:38.17 | iLLf8d | I don't usually use it since its very similar to the console installer |
| 23:38.26 | ki | oh. |
| 23:38.31 | ki | lol not much point then :P |
| 23:38.37 | dkr | ki gui installers work worse. there are moer things to go wrong and the functionality is the same |
| 23:38.43 | ki | wait.. how much do you install debian to "usually" use anything?????? |
| 23:38.45 | iLLf8d | I had touchpad issues on a few lappys when I tried gui too |
| 23:39.23 | ki | yes very true but when you are bored of waiting gui installers show you flashy pictures of your new OS and tell you about it ;) |
| 23:39.29 | iLLf8d | ki you're just gonna have to play with it to get up to speed theres a definate learning curve involved |
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| 23:39.49 | ki | A learing curve with linux? never! :P |
| 23:40.19 | iLLf8d | I mean alot of your questions are all answered with ... depends on ... |
| 23:40.32 | dkr | ki: alt-F4 and you can watch the system logs to see what the installer is actually doing during the install, :) |
| 23:40.54 | dserban | ok, I've found the following: if running approx, and you define the interface, it segs. wth. |
| 23:41.43 | ki | ooh ! I like that. |
| 23:41.49 | ki | It HAS to tell me what it is doing. |
| 23:42.05 | ki | Some operating systems install dumb things like drivers for wifi cards you don't have "just incase" |
| 23:42.43 | ki | which usually end up wrecking it because of odd conflicts in the end because you don't even know therefore don't understand. |
| 23:42.46 | stew | ki: debian is such an operating system |
| 23:42.53 | ki | ooh good! |
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| 23:43.10 | stew | ki: do you have any debian specific questions? |
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| 23:43.30 | stew | ki: if you are looking for a comparison of various linux distributions, you'd be better off in ##linux |
| 23:43.31 | karsten | stew: How do you spell "debian"? |
| 23:44.12 | tictac | hmm. installing 2 diff repositories with the same root point is a bad idea... and causes Packages collisions. :-/ |
| 23:44.29 | ki | well if you are going to kick me. I just thought it would be better in DEBIAN where poeple wouldn't go "FTW! NO TRY OUT FEDORA!!!" |
| 23:45.04 | karsten | ki: Stop being an annoying ass. |
| 23:45.24 | twobitsprite | stew: chill... ki is just chatting, no biggie |
| 23:45.27 | karsten | ki: We Americans feel that's our core competency and we don't like the competition. |
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| 23:46.59 | ki | stupid americans. |
| 23:47.03 | ki | xD |
| 23:47.10 | ki | bye. |
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| 23:47.15 | karsten | ki: No problems, mate. |
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| 23:48.22 | twobitsprite | hmm... |
| 23:48.57 | dkr | is there still a size limit as to how far from 1st cylinder kernel has to beon disk when using grub? |
| 23:49.34 | h2n51 | dkr: varies by bios. |
| 23:49.34 | twobitsprite | dkr: debian only! |
| 23:49.34 | zinx | dkr: not if you use stage1.5 |
| 23:49.46 | zinx | dkr: but i believe the limit's still there if you don't |
| 23:49.59 | dkr | I did an xp install in 256gb, then debian etch / starting after that. so i was thinking that is reason it wouldn't boot up when I rebooted after install. :) |
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| 23:50.06 | zinx | dkr: stage1.5 may be installed by default with debian.. |
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| 23:50.31 | zinx | dkr: you'll have more luck actually giving details specific to your problem |
| 23:50.39 | zinx | dkr: rather than trying to figure out other potential problems |
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| 23:52.00 | dkr | well, that's pretty much it. / partition starts at 256GB, and it won't boot up. but it was last night at home, I'm still at work now. I tried booting from various disks in case the mbr went to a different place, which resulted in more than one type of grub error, so I didn't remember which was which, :) |
| 23:52.22 | anapivirtua | Night. |
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| 23:54.43 | karsten | dkr: Sounds like you might have a geometry problem there. |
| 23:55.08 | karsten | dkr: I like to create a /boot partition early on the drive of ~50 MB or so. |
| 23:55.22 | dkr | previous installs to same disks worked, e.g. i tried out installnig to encrypted partitions just to see what it was like. (went very smoothly, btw, I was imperssed) |
| 23:55.50 | dkr | yeah, I just didn't think making /boot near start was necessary anymore. but just realized that was probably my problem last night |
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| 23:57.57 | dkr | (installing xp pro was a nightmare, though, no ahci support by default, and I had no floppy drive aside frmo an external usb one, which partially worked but then choked later due to it no bieng A:. ended up having to steal an old floppy from a relative's machine temporarily, :) |
| 23:58.22 | dkr | I was thinking software raid on top of ahci would be nice due to native command queueing |
| 23:58.34 | dkr | mdraid, I mean |
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| 23:59.48 | dkr | I'll be able to benchmark after I make new boot partition tonight, :) |
