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| 00:01.57 | Horst_Flemming | hi. my etch installation hangs on "Configuring openbsd-inetd", any hints? |
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| 00:02.16 | Horst_Flemming | looks like it's waiting for input, but it's impossible to do so ;) |
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| 00:02.46 | abrotman | might be entropy |
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| 00:03.23 | dkr | band on the kb a bunch to create entropy? ;) |
| 00:03.28 | dkr | bang |
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| 00:10.28 | hensch | good evening, i have a yakumo dvbt stick and cant find the original driver. anyone knows a alternative? |
| 00:10.31 | whadar | hello... i used chroot to customize an etch environment, and used aptitude for massive install... after i exit, dpkg db seems to ignore the new packages, though the new packages' files are there! |
| 00:10.45 | whadar | how can I refresh dpkg db? |
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| 00:12.45 | cooner750 | My Debian box has been off for about 2 weeks. I went to boot it back up (this is a server machine), and it's stopping at "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem... ..." -- What do I do? |
| 00:13.25 | h2n51 | cooner750: check the bootloader startup options |
| 00:13.36 | h2n51 | grub? or lilo? syslinux? something else? |
| 00:13.42 | Xenguy | cooner750: I'm no hardware guru, but could it be some kind of hardware failure? |
| 00:13.44 | cooner750 | h2n51: GRUB |
| 00:14.03 | cooner750 | It may be possible that the hard drive has decided to bite the dust, it's getting quite old. |
| 00:14.11 | karsten | cooner750: Doesn't mean it's not HW. |
| 00:14.23 | whadar | where dpkg keeps the list of installed packages anyway? |
| 00:14.24 | h2n51 | how would grub load the kernel? :) |
| 00:14.25 | belkin | running courier-imap-ssl and courier-imap why i cannot telnet to 993 and only 143 works ? |
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| 00:14.46 | jetscreamer | i'm changing my local network from 192.x.x.x to 10.x.x.x . however the default route or gateway or whatever isn't changing. what file do i edit |
| 00:14.47 | karsten | cooner750: Drive stiction? Try removing the HD and *gently* spinning the disk about its axis of rotation a fwe times. |
| 00:15.03 | karsten | jetscreamer: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:15.08 | karsten | jetscreamer: man 5 interfaces |
| 00:15.10 | h2n51 | stiction? is that a work? |
| 00:15.12 | jetscreamer | thankee |
| 00:15.15 | h2n51 | er, word... |
| 00:15.25 | cooner750 | It may be the drive, the first two times I attempted to turn the machine on, the drive refused to spin up and the HD LED on the case just stayed lit constantly. I took the drive out and moved it back in, wiggled the cable a few times, and it started working |
| 00:15.25 | karsten | h2n51: Google "drive stiction" |
| 00:15.36 | h2n51 | !google drive stiction |
| 00:16.09 | cooner750 | But I think the drive refusing to spin was because of a data issue, because when I unplugged the IDE cable it spun right up |
| 00:16.29 | jetscreamer | karsten: the dhcp works fine, which is all that is set in interfaces. i get the new ip, just the gateway or route needs changing |
| 00:16.29 | h2n51 | karsten: he already said the kernel loaded. |
| 00:16.33 | karsten | cooner750: Must've been a sticky bit. |
| 00:16.43 | h2n51 | fun! |
| 00:16.58 | cooner750 | It's a drive from an old Dell |
| 00:17.03 | cooner750 | Samsung I believe |
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| 00:17.16 | cooner750 | Or possibly Seagate, I know it's either |
| 00:17.28 | karsten | h2n51: hrm. Right. Usually you can diagnose stiction by listening to the drive. You'll hear the servo spin up, fail, stop, spin up again, fail, stop, spin up... |
| 00:17.42 | cooner750 | The CPU fan is faulty yet again and I'll be replacing it tomorrow |
| 00:17.49 | cooner750 | The bearings in them always fail on me |
| 00:17.56 | cooner750 | This is the second one I've been through in 6 months |
| 00:17.56 | karsten | h2n51: Goes something like "Rvvvvt..shh Rvvvt..sh Rvvvt..sh ...." |
| 00:18.08 | h2n51 | yea, I'm all too aware :-| |
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| 00:18.42 | karsten | cooner750: Had that happen on a couple of Seagate Baraccudas. They're fine once they're warmed up, but if they've been offline for a while I need to hand-spin 'em first. |
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| 00:18.59 | karsten | jetscreamer: Um, then set it on the dhcp server. |
| 00:19.09 | cooner750 | I really hated it turning the machine on and hearing that rattling of the CPU fan bearings yet again so recently |
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| 00:19.38 | cooner750 | It cant have as much stress on the bearings as it does when the tower is sitting in the upright position, I sit it on it's side |
| 00:19.50 | cooner750 | So the fan is facing up |
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| 00:20.47 | jetscreamer | karsten: let me rephrase then: i set the dhcp server to the new, i get an ip but the intarweb 'don't werk' . i set it BACK in the dhcp server (dsl router) and the intarweb werks. |
| 00:21.35 | h2n51 | the webcam package seems to be fetching snapshots off my webcam, but they're all black. >:-| argh. |
| 00:21.55 | jetscreamer | AHA |
| 00:22.00 | jetscreamer | karsten: resolv.conf |
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| 00:22.22 | stew | h2n51: take the lens cover off |
| 00:22.30 | h2n51 | it is off! |
| 00:22.39 | h2n51 | I can see the pretty lens <3 |
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| 00:23.24 | Woosta | I just installed from the stable netinst, but elected to install the 2.6 kernel. However this machine seems to have real problems with the 2.6 kernel and so won't boot. Is there any way to install the 2.4 without reinstalling the entire OS? |
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| 00:24.09 | h2n51 | Woosta: yes |
| 00:24.36 | Woosta | exccellent .. how? |
| 00:24.44 | h2n51 | Woosta: boot the installer cd with 2.4, detect drives, switch to a shell, mount the drive, chroot into, and install the proper kernel. |
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| 00:25.06 | Woosta | bah .. forgot I could switch to a shell :) |
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| 00:26.17 | bcstv | where is the .icons folder to install new mouse cursor |
| 00:27.12 | h2n51 | stew: http://199dhcp.daxal.com/~supaplex/webcam/2007-01/29_17/25:15.jpeg :-/ |
| 00:28.27 | stew | 500 Can't connect to 199dhcp.daxal.com:80 (Bad hostname '199dhcp.daxal.com' |
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| 00:29.28 | h2n51 | stew: 166.70.62.199 |
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| 00:31.30 | belkin | where is the location of the MySQL libraries ? |
| 00:31.40 | rahul | belkin: same place all other libs are |
| 00:31.44 | abrotman | belkin: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 00:31.49 | rahul | which is where anything looks for it by default |
| 00:32.07 | belkin | ./usr/lib/mysql |
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| 00:33.26 | stew | Woosta: boot the cd, hit alt-f2 to get to a shell, in that shell, run "mkdir /target ; mount /dev/yourrootpartition /target ; chroot /target ; mount /proc ; mount /sys ; mount /boot ; apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-386 |
| 00:34.04 | Woosta | ahh .. missed mounting proc sys and boot |
| 00:34.42 | Woosta | proc already, others don't exist .. but I did mount /usr and others |
| 00:34.54 | stew | Woosta: skip /boot if don't have /boot on a separate partition. and actually you can probably skip /sys for 2.4 kernel |
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| 00:37.06 | eldowan | I'm on etch. Is it possible to grab the sources for a package in experimental, and compile it for my machine? The package in question is picard, http://packages.debian.org/experimental/sound/picard |
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| 00:37.34 | abrotman | should be |
| 00:37.45 | h2n51 | eldowan: in theory yea. caveat emptor :) /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:37.50 | h2n51 | adjust for exp* |
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| 00:40.59 | Zescom | wenas |
| 00:41.10 | Zescom | hablan Espaņol? |
| 00:41.12 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:41.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:41.24 | JochenA | Has anyone got a sarge 2.6.8 kernel running on a machine that is forwarding IPv6 traffic? |
| 00:41.30 | Zescom | thanks you |
| 00:41.35 | h2n51 | humm xawtv shows only a boring black nothing image. *sniff* |
| 00:41.58 | h2n51 | JochenA: I'm sure lots do. I did at one time, but it's just a novelty to me. (don't use it right now) |
| 00:42.17 | JochenA | Since I changed from 2.4 to 2.6 I have packet corruption in one way only. |
| 00:42.40 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 00:42.41 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 00:42.56 | JochenA | I have a tunnel endpoint and forward into a VLAN that is a bridge with a few UML instances and openVPN attached. |
| 00:43.00 | h2n51 | ipmasq for ip6? hah. |
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| 00:43.30 | abrotman | do you know that it doesn't work ? |
| 00:43.38 | rahul | h2n51: for when you need more than one IP address for each atom in the universe! |
| 00:44.05 | h2n51 | rahul: my thoughts exactly. |
| 00:44.06 | JochenA | when I ping out from the server itself I have no problems. Also inside the VLAN there isn't a problem. But when I ping from a machine on the internal network the pings go out, come back fine but get corrupted as they go onto the bridge and the tap-devices. |
| 00:44.11 | JochenA | I checked with tcpdump |
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| 00:44.17 | stew | we might need them. we don't know how many universes there are yet |
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| 00:44.52 | h2n51 | stew: I hope we have something else before we fully consume ipv6. |
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| 00:45.16 | JochenA | on the sixxs device the traffic is fine, but when I listen on the br1 bidge or the tap0 which is openvpn I see corrupt packages with 0-length headers. |
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| 00:45.46 | JochenA | the sixxs device is the tunnel endpoint (6in4) |
| 00:46.09 | Woosta | OK, that's done and it look like we're booting OK .. now .. how come I can't run 2.6 on this machine? |
| 00:46.38 | stew | Woosta: what happens when you try? |
| 00:46.41 | h2n51 | Woosta: because you were blissfully vague in your symtom description. |
| 00:46.54 | Guerin | Woosta: i disallowed it |
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| 00:47.09 | Guerin | i have CONFIG_PISS_ON_WOOSTA * in your config |
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| 00:47.14 | h2n51 | !smash Woosta's 2.6 kernel |
| 00:47.19 | Woosta | LOL |
| 00:47.26 | karsten | Woosta: Insufficient tuits. |
| 00:47.51 | karsten | !tell Woosta about smart questions |
| 00:47.53 | Woosta | OK, I select it frob grub. I get about 10 lines of output to the console and then a freeze |
| 00:47.56 | Guerin | karsten: there are plenty of twits in here! |
| 00:47.58 | Woosta | I can tell you what it freezes on in a minute |
| 00:48.38 | karsten | Not that that could possibly matter or anything. |
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| 00:48.43 | Woosta | As I said .. I'll tell you what it was in a minute .. no need to be a smart arse |
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| 00:48.47 | abrotman | faster! |
| 00:48.56 | Guerin | Woosta: better a smar arse than a dumb arse |
| 00:49.01 | Guerin | smat, even |
| 00:49.10 | Woosta | lol |
| 00:49.13 | stew | Woosta: VFS: can't mount root? |
| 00:49.24 | Guerin | hm, i think my keyboard is faulty |
| 00:49.29 | Guerin | yeah, that is |
| 00:49.41 | tictac | heh |
| 00:49.50 | kritical | I'm trying to add scp to my ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file... does anyone know how to do this? if not does anyone know what command scp executes remotely? |
| 00:50.00 | Woosta | stew: IIRC it was just 'boot' .. but the setup is finishing up and so downloading apt sources |
| 00:50.09 | Guerin | kritical: google `ssh unattended' |
| 00:50.29 | Guerin | kritical: if you actually want to only allow scp to run, it gets a fair bit more complex |
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| 00:50.40 | kritical | Guerin, yeah.. I've got the unattended part working |
| 00:50.45 | Guerin | kritical: oh, ok. |
| 00:50.55 | kritical | Guerin, hmm yeah that's where I'm stuck =) |
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| 00:51.12 | Guerin | kritical: i'd be inclined to dedicate an account to it and use scponly as the shell |
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| 00:52.02 | darrend | is it possible o have a global procmail recipe in /etc/procmailrc that delivers to a directory for the current user? (if so, how to specify the current user?) |
| 00:52.22 | kritical | Guerin, oh okay.. I didn't realise there was an scponly shell.. I currently have a dedicated user which does two things.. I guess I could try and work with that.. thanks |
| 00:53.00 | Guerin | darrend: you'd be saner to just put a .procmailrc in /etc/skel/ and each homedir |
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| 00:53.42 | darrend | Guerin: I have that, but I want to force a particular recipe for each user and not have to include it in all ~/.procmailrc files |
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| 00:54.07 | darrend | the recipe works ok, but I need it do something user specific after matching |
| 00:54.08 | Guerin | grr |
| 00:54.17 | Guerin | !system wide |
| 00:54.17 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
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| 00:54.46 | darrend | lol, thanks. But it's for convenience, not control |
| 00:54.51 | darrend | (mine obviously) |
| 00:55.08 | Guerin | yeh, i know sod-all about procmail |
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| 00:57.53 | karsten | Guerin: http://despair.com/loneliness.html |
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| 00:58.19 | Guerin | !gothsmite karsten |
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| 00:59.04 | stew | i think i might make myself some red wine in a goblet |
| 00:59.07 | scx | Hello I have few problem sinstalling Debian in a usb-flash card, the installer's partitioner simply refuses to show my usb-stick, knoppix does the same, right now I'm in knoppix, and can see and mount the usb partitions but nothing about the installer leting me to install there |
| 00:59.20 | abrotman | stew: more! .. |
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| 00:59.28 | h2n51 | scx: which release of the installer are you using? |
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| 01:00.07 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.20 | scx | #h2n51: 3.1 something |
| 01:00.45 | h2n51 | yucky usb syslog msg |
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| 01:00.58 | stew | scx: using the 2.4 kernel or the 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:01.02 | scx | in dmesg |
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| 01:01.08 | h2n51 | did you replug it in after unmounting it? might need a fsck if anything was running at the time. |
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| 01:01.18 | scx | 2.6 2.4 just freezes at boot |
| 01:01.19 | abrotman | h2n51: why the nick change ? |
| 01:01.27 | stew | you aren't going to fsck it without getting it to accept a usb adress |
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| 01:01.36 | Supaplex | for fun? |
| 01:01.39 | stew | that's like you need to use uhci instead of ohci or some such nonsene |
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| 01:02.06 | Supaplex | I wanted to bug some folks. didn't think to switch it back. *shrug* |
| 01:02.17 | scx | stew: yah, and why it is? |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | stew: that wine can be your prize for not having to invade texas :) |
| 01:02.31 | scx | knoppix acceptsd it but the installer does the same |
| 01:02.51 | Supaplex | a daily build of d-i might fair better, but who knows. |
| 01:02.55 | scx | all modules are loaded correctly, I modprobe 'em all |
| 01:03.23 | Supaplex | that's like putting on every piece of clothing in your wardrobe |
| 01:03.33 | stew | abrotman: i did a nice one, i got the machine takenover using debootstrap, got it reobooted successfully into debian and on the network before i remembered to set a root passwd |
| 01:03.46 | scx | srry for the spelling, this is an spanish keyboard |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | stew: like that's a bad thing! |
| 01:04.34 | Supaplex | scx: made in new york city?! ;o) |
| 01:04.57 | stew | abrotman: i had also forgotten ssh so maybe not so bad this time. yay for minigetty working on the first boot for a serial console |
| 01:05.07 | scx | Supaplex: dunno, I'm in Mexico now |
| 01:05.17 | abrotman | stew: see .. they pay you for a reason! :) |
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| 01:06.19 | scx | I just don't see why the usb address is not accepted, it works fine everywhere else |
| 01:06.35 | stew | scx: it and your usb controller don't like eachother |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | or it loaded the wrong driver |
| 01:07.08 | scx | so I need another installer version (other kernel) |
| 01:07.22 | scx | #abrotman: mmm, might be |
| 01:07.34 | karsten | How do I see depends in an RPM? |
| 01:07.49 | scx | but usb_storage should be all needed basically right? |
| 01:07.53 | pipeline | karsten: rpm -qp, IIRC |
| 01:08.05 | pipeline | karsten: maybe qap |
| 01:08.12 | stew | scx: see which of ohci-hcd, ehci-hcd, uhci-hcd are loaded. unload it and try the other two |
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| 01:08.24 | scx | karsten: apt-get install rpm |
| 01:08.30 | Supaplex | scx: nopaste lspci output? |
| 01:09.10 | karsten | pipeline: No, 'qa' is all installed RPMs. |
| 01:09.20 | karsten | scx: I've got RPM native under the RHEL4 chroot. |
| 01:09.35 | scx | #stew: well suse shows ehci-hcd ohci-hcd uhci-hcd usbserial usb_storage hci_usb |
| 01:09.44 | scx | I manually modprobe 'em all |
| 01:09.55 | scx | none seemed to be loaded at boot |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | something's bound to stick eh ? |
| 01:10.44 | karsten | Ah: rpm -qiR <packagename> |
| 01:11.03 | scx | btw, what's ohci-hcd, e, u ? |
| 01:11.04 | karsten | Supaplex: Technically, this is a "how do I port my RH-crap to Debian to run appropriately under Debian". |
| 01:11.19 | karsten | scx: This is a locally-generated RPM I'm going to try to convert. |
| 01:11.25 | karsten | scx: NM> |
| 01:11.29 | karsten | supp^^ |
| 01:11.39 | karsten | Supaplex: Um. Above. |
| 01:11.40 | scx | rpm -Uivh my package |
| 01:11.53 | scx | or smart, it manages apt + rpm |
| 01:11.59 | Supaplex | karsten: I see. no deb src for it? ;`( |
| 01:12.02 | karsten | scx: No, I didn't say I wanted to install it, yet. |
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| 01:12.21 | scx | srry I wasn't paying attention |
| 01:12.27 | karsten | Supaplex: I'm checking on that, but seeing as I recognize the installer and he sits across the office, likely not ;-) |
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| 01:12.42 | karsten | Supaplex: s/installer/package maintainer/ |
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| 01:14.24 | scx | oooh! I just could see in knoppix the device is mounted ro ! :o |
| 01:14.51 | scx | I'l try dletingall in that disk |
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| 01:15.19 | karsten | Supaplex: Actually, it's a third-party thing: http://www.padl.com/OSS/ldapprofile.html |
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| 01:15.50 | xerophyte | does anybody know how to change the sourceforge forum view to flat view then tread view ?? |
| 01:15.52 | Woosta | OK, back to my 2.6 issue now setup has finished |
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| 01:16.16 | Supaplex | maybe grab the .src.rpm, and fixor it up for a deb. |
| 01:16.16 | Supaplex | so alien:(rpm,tgz,etc)->deb, ??? -> apt-get source? |
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| 01:16.31 | scx | crAp, didn'yt work :( |
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| 01:16.43 | wes_ | Hey can someone give me a hand installing the nvidia drivers |
| 01:16.52 | Woosta | It comes up with the root HDD, the kernel vmlinuz the initrd, then says "savedefault" and "boot" and then stops |
| 01:17.00 | Supaplex | !tell wes_ -about nvidia |
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| 01:17.21 | scx | !tell scx -about nvidia |
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| 01:17.44 | stew | Woosta: sounds like its not booting at all. that info is all from the grub settings. |
| 01:18.03 | Woosta | interesting |
| 01:18.04 | Supaplex | scx: you can just /msg the bot. I posted it to the # so others don't bother repeating. /msg dpkg self tell (iirc) |
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| 01:18.12 | Woosta | so .. what does that mean for using 2.6 then? |
| 01:18.33 | Supaplex | Woosta: what type of drive are you booting from? |
| 01:18.35 | Woosta | I just installed 2.4 and it boots just fine. It's only 2.6 (even selecting the rescue mode one) |
| 01:18.39 | Supaplex | sata?scsi?ide? |
| 01:18.46 | stew | Woosta: ^ |
| 01:18.47 | Woosta | IDE iirc |
| 01:18.47 | scx | easier to copy paste >) |
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| 01:19.06 | wes_ | Supaplex, if I have a single source with contrib non-free will that be sufficient or do they all have to have that |
| 01:19.07 | stew | Woosta: the 2.6 kernel is from the install cd? |
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| 01:19.23 | Woosta | Yeah, it's an IDE on the primary master |
| 01:19.29 | Woosta | yeah, 2.6 from the install CD |
| 01:19.30 | Supaplex | wes_: 1 should be enough. tyis |
| 01:19.37 | scx | 3.1 is the latest installer right ? |
| 01:19.44 | Supaplex | er TIAS no tyis. |
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| 01:20.55 | karsten | Supaplex: I was trying to work out "tyis" and figured "thank you in spades". |
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| 01:21.46 | Supaplex | :P |
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| 01:22.20 | scx | 'cause I am thinking in build a custom installation kernel, but don't have a clue on how, any link or help out there? |
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| 01:22.32 | Supaplex | !tell scx -about kp |
| 01:22.59 | krypnos | Man, off all the linux channels I've been to, the msg dpkg thing is the most handy. Take care, folks. |
| 01:23.04 | krypnos | s/off/of |
| 01:23.44 | scx | I wknow how to compile a kernel, but dunno how to use it to sustitute the instalation kernel |
| 01:23.56 | OrangeRoot1k | is etch in freeze.... if so when is the release date if known |
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| 01:24.05 | Supaplex | kp will build the .debs, and just dpkg -i foo.deb |
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| 01:24.13 | karsten | OrangeRoot1k: Yes. /msg dpkg WIR. |
| 01:24.18 | scx | I have the kernel, I open the iso, and know what ? |
| 01:24.23 | karsten | OrangeRoot1k: ... Second of which would translate to "no". |
| 01:24.44 | Supaplex | scx: which iso is this? dpkg -i will install one or more packages. |
| 01:24.49 | Supaplex | from local files. |
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| 01:25.02 | scx | Supaplex: Debian instalation iso (3.1) |
| 01:25.08 | Woosta | Anyone with any ideas on my 2.6 problem? |
| 01:25.18 | scx | the one I'm trying to install from |
| 01:25.38 | Supaplex | scx: yea, there's something that can go in /etc/apt/sources.list for that, but I haven't used a cd for this in so long. :p |
| 01:26.34 | scx | well my f**ing ISP cutted me up without any reason two months ago, so in dial-up it is like... imposible to make a net install |
| 01:26.34 | bigdaddyjace | is there an easy way to install kerio mailserver on debian? |
| 01:26.56 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: What's the kerio mailserver? Is it packaged for Debian? |
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| 01:27.15 | scx | kerio? |
| 01:27.17 | Supaplex | !tell scx -about apt-setup |
| 01:27.58 | bigdaddyjace | no it is packaged as an rpm for suse |
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| 01:28.30 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: Well, seeing as it's not a Debian package, and we've got no idea what it is ... |
| 01:28.50 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: ... your best bet would be to ask around on a kerio mailserver-specific channel looking for directions. |
| 01:28.54 | wes_ | Supaplex, I installed etch rc1, but then to get my nic working I had to install 2.8.18r4 and now when I try to m-a auto-install nvidia after doing the other steps that you sent me it gives me an error about kernel headers |
| 01:29.04 | bigdaddyjace | thanks |
| 01:29.07 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: You might also try Googling. Or using alien to convert the package. |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | or try apt-get.org |
| 01:29.24 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: ^^ what abrotman said. |
| 01:29.30 | abrotman | bigdaddyjace: why do you want that SMTP server ? |
| 01:29.42 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: ^^ what abrotman said. Again ;-) |
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| 01:30.18 | Rug | Howdy all |
| 01:30.21 | bigdaddyjace | because it is an excellent groupware alternative to exchange |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | oh .. it's totally non-free AFAICT |
| 01:31.16 | bigdaddyjace | do you have any free alternative suggestions that would give me a complete groupware solution |
| 01:31.16 | scx | #Supaplex: ok, I can add the cdrom as apt-source, even so, as the cd's kernel doesn't work, I need to make my own and boot it from somewhere, I don't have where to install it, do partitions left in this PC, and what I want is just to keep the instalation cdrom as is, but just modify the kernel adding my own |
| 01:31.37 | Rug | I was just playing a game when the game locked-up. I was able to switch to a different tty and kill the game. Now my mouse isn't working. Is there a command I can run to re-initialize my mouse? |
| 01:31.54 | abrotman | bigdaddyjace: F/OSS groupware kind of sucks .. there are a few, though you'd have to evaluate them |
| 01:32.01 | Guerin | Rug: usb or ps/2? |
| 01:32.01 | scx | bigdaddyjace: I've eard about kontact suite |
| 01:32.10 | Rug | Guerin: USB |
| 01:32.14 | scx | PS2 |
| 01:32.31 | Guerin | Rug: remove your usb modules, then reload them |
| 01:32.43 | Guerin | Rug: using modprobe |
| 01:32.46 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: Define "complete groupware". |
| 01:32.49 | Rug | Guerin: ok thanks |
| 01:33.11 | abrotman | bigdaddyjace: apt-cache search groupware .. or check freshmeat.net |
| 01:33.21 | bigdaddyjace | sharable contacts, calendar, mail, tasks |
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| 01:33.26 | bigdaddyjace | etc |
| 01:33.35 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: I suspect you mean email + calendaring, which is the usual rubric for this. Sadly it's a bit of a hole in the FS/OS market. |
| 01:33.36 | Guerin | bigdaddyjace: evolution + ldap? |
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| 01:33.56 | scx | I just dunno how to install the kernel in the installation cd, that's all, I don't have a clue, not even know how to googleit |
| 01:33.56 | karsten | Guerin: evo's not a shared calendar, per se. |
| 01:33.58 | Guerin | probably something like horde would be what you're after, though it's insanely ugly |
| 01:34.13 | scx | evolution is not good |
| 01:34.20 | Guerin | karsten: mm, can you not store the calendar stuff in the central server? |
| 01:34.23 | abrotman | Guerin: you left out iCal |
| 01:34.25 | Guerin | scx: i agree entirely. |
| 01:34.30 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: look for "chandler", then find out what's described as similar, but actually 1) exists and 2) works. |
| 01:34.32 | scx | there's kgroupware |
| 01:34.35 | bigdaddyjace | i tried to configure horde for this about a year ago but it sucked |
| 01:34.38 | karsten | Guerin: I don't believe so. |
| 01:34.42 | Guerin | oh |
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| 01:35.37 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: You may have your one workable solution then. There's HP's old OpenMail system or similar now sold by a Japanese company. |
| 01:35.42 | scx | :( I'll hang around... see ya. |
| 01:35.54 | Guerin | yes, horde does indeed suck |
| 01:36.06 | Guerin | that much php simply can't be good for you |
| 01:36.07 | abrotman | hell .. even lotus runs on linux |
| 01:36.13 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/groupware.html |
| 01:36.14 | abrotman | Guerin: write something better ... |
| 01:36.21 | karsten | abrotman: Server, yeah. Not client AFAIC. |
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| 01:36.34 | Guerin | abrotman: i'm a political scientist, not a programmer. |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | karsten: eh .. wait .. it's coming RSN .. if it didn't already happen |
| 01:36.39 | dvs | jim |
| 01:36.39 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: Samsung Contact. |
| 01:36.44 | abrotman | Guerin: you're in the wrong country |
| 01:36.54 | Guerin | abrotman: ? |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | you guys don't do anything fun |
| 01:37.05 | karsten | abrotman: What's coming? And I sincerely hope this isn't personal. |
| 01:37.07 | abrotman | try invading something! |
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| 01:37.11 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:37.20 | concept10 | not. so. fun. |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | karsten: lotus client for linux .. might have already come |
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| 01:37.38 | Guerin | we spend most of our time rebuffing overtures from Australia |
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| 01:38.07 | dexemna | What's the best way to view the diff (changelog?) between the currently installed version of a given package and the latest available one? |
| 01:38.08 | archpollux | h |
| 01:38.10 | mx-zoom | anyone here has Nvclock? |
| 01:38.10 | archpollux | hi |
| 01:38.19 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: SuSE OpenExchange Server. |
| 01:38.26 | Guerin | dexemna: the changelog should be in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | or online |
| 01:38.42 | dondelelcaro | dexemna: the best way is to download both .dsc's and the corresponding .diff and orig.tar.gz, and then using debdiff. |
| 01:38.42 | dexemna | For example I have openoffice.org-calc installed at version 2.0.4dfsg.2-3 but 2.0.4dfsg.2-4 is available. |
| 01:38.43 | karsten | abrotman: That's all I need to hear from you about coming in the lotus position .... |
| 01:38.43 | archpollux | i'm trying to use the evdev driver for a keyboard with Xorg and in KDE when i press the up arrow it starts ksnapshot |
| 01:38.55 | dexemna | Now the software itself hasn't changed but the package was altered in some way |
| 01:39.01 | Wyzard | !tell mx-zoom about anyone use |
| 01:39.02 | dondelelcaro | dexemna: if you're just wondering what the maintainer thinks has changed, use apt-listchanges |
| 01:39.04 | bigdaddyjace | is there an Suse openexchange server package for debian |
| 01:39.14 | Guerin | dexemna: that signifies there's been no change, it's just been built against a slightly different set of libs |
| 01:39.19 | archpollux | bigdaddyjace: apt-cache search openexchange |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | karsten: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060710-7222.html |
| 01:39.22 | karsten | bigdaddyjace: Dunno. Check that linuxmafia link I gave you. |
| 01:39.28 | Guerin | dexemna: the -2 or -3 or whatever is a binary compatibility indicator |
| 01:39.34 | karsten | abrotman: My eyes! |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | cry .. whiny bitch! |
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| 01:40.02 | archpollux | if anyone knows what's up with my evdev keyboard, please include my nick in the message, thanks |
| 01:40.07 | dexemna | Guerin: That's all? I mean the files that get installed on your system can be different though. |
| 01:40.19 | abrotman | archpollux: i don't .. but that's impressive |
| 01:40.21 | Guerin | dexemna: typically not. |
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| 01:41.11 | dexemna | dondelelcaro: Hmm, apt-listchanges doesn't appear to be a command... |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | it has to be installed |
| 01:41.26 | bigdaddyjace | I'll give some of these suggestions a go. thanks all for the suggestions. |
| 01:41.34 | Guerin | abrotman: the passive voice must be used |
| 01:41.48 | dexemna | dondelelcaro: Nevermind, apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:41.54 | abrotman | Guerin: i don't have one |
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| 01:42.28 | Guerin | abrotman: itym `one isn't possessed by me' |
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| 01:42.49 | abrotman | Guerin: eh .. no |
| 01:42.57 | Guerin | ... |
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| 01:44.07 | MatBoy | how easy is it to install beryl when I use XFCE ? just APT-get it ? |
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| 01:44.29 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Beryl is not packaged in Debian, though Compiz is |
| 01:44.29 | Xenguy | Hi - I notice that Debian currently provides both apache and apache2 versions. I have no complicated needs for a webserver, does it matter which one I install? Are there any particular advantages or disadvantages? Opinions? |
| 01:44.30 | Guerin | MatBoy: if you have to ask, beryl ain't for you |
| 01:44.49 | Guerin | Xenguy: unless you have a good reason, use apache2 |
| 01:45.08 | MatBoy | Guerin, I think you knew everything already when you came out of your mother ;) |
| 01:45.14 | Wyzard | Xenguy: Use apache2 unless you have a good reason not to... 1.3 is retained because there are a lot of sites that still use it and switching can be a big task if the configuration is highly customized |
| 01:45.18 | dvs | Xenguy: apache1 is no longer supported |
| 01:45.23 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I saw it inded, but what do you prefer ? |
| 01:45.30 | rahul | Guerin: he's talking about your mother! |
| 01:45.34 | Guerin | MatBoy: yeah, I was born with a keyboard up my arse |
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| 01:45.40 | rahul | eew |
| 01:45.42 | Guerin | still there, actually |
| 01:45.47 | Xenguy | Guerin: Wyzard dvs thanks |
| 01:45.48 | rahul | not easy to type on it |
| 01:45.49 | Guerin | makes long bus rides a bit tricky |
| 01:45.59 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I don't use either of them... they're flashy tech previews, not really day-to-day software |
| 01:46.01 | rahul | I'd think it makes typing trickier. |
| 01:46.26 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I just saw it today on Ubuntu with a guy from ebay... very nice ! |
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| 01:46.47 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I'm content to wait until Metacity (GNOME's window manager) starts to utilize compositing in useful and unobtrusive ways |
| 01:47.05 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I totally understand it |
| 01:47.31 | abrotman | see .. that's where you went wrong .. you are trying to use technology from a guy on ebay using ubuntu .. |
| 01:47.41 | rahul | heh |
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| 01:48.06 | shadowarts | apt-get upgrade is telling me "1 not upgraded" how can i see what package that is? |
| 01:48.27 | wes_ | http://pastebin.ca/332534 I get this while trying to m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 01:48.27 | wes_ | and ideas? |
| 01:48.27 | MatBoy | abrotman, hehe, jalous people that never have been in de Dataroom of Ebay and their other companies will always complain ;) |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | -u |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: engrish ? |
| 01:48.47 | MatBoy | abrotman, don;t know that language :D |
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| 01:50.33 | Wyzard | wes: You don't have the headers installed for your kernel |
| 01:51.05 | Wyzard | wes: Every "linux-image" package has a corresponding "linux-headers" package that's needed for compiling new modules for use with that kernel |
| 01:51.23 | wes_ | ah |
| 01:51.29 | dvs | oh |
| 01:51.31 | jmd | How can I configure X on my laptop to be multiheaded ? |
| 01:51.46 | wes_ | Wyzard, how do I get the headers? |
| 01:52.10 | wes_ | Wyzard, 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 01:52.18 | mx-zoom | anyone here ever used NvClock |
| 01:52.19 | mx-zoom | ? |
| 01:52.32 | Wyzard | wes_: linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 01:52.42 | belkin | why postfix doesnt create the user maildir anymore ? i create a new user into the mail database then i should be able to login , but im not chdir localhost/lol/: No such file or directory |
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| 01:52.57 | Miesco__ | What is rxvt-xpm and what is rxvt-xterm and how do I find out what one I am using? |
| 01:53.09 | Wyzard | wes_: btw, ideally you should install the version-agnostic metapackages (linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-headers-2.6-amd64), which will always depend on the latest actual kernel |
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| 01:53.34 | Wyzard | mx-zoom: If you have a question about nvclock, just ask the question |
| 01:53.39 | wes_ | Wyzard, Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 01:54.05 | dvs | !depends linux-headers-2.6-amd64 |
| 01:54.07 | Wyzard | wes_: I see it on my system... have you updated recently? |
| 01:54.19 | wes_ | no |
| 01:54.31 | wes_ | aptitude update? |
| 01:54.43 | wes_ | is that what you mean? |
| 01:54.45 | Wyzard | yes |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | you didn't have to tell us! |
| 01:55.04 | wes_ | I just did that, then reran the command and it gave me the same thing |
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| 01:56.04 | mx-zoom | Wyzard: lol. even though I admit the question wasn't exactly productive you answer wasn't too :D. anyways, anyone knows if by removing nvclock the changes on the graphics card are lost or not |
| 01:56.07 | Miesco | How do I get rid of the rxvt scrollbar? |
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| 01:56.36 | Guerin | Miesco: urxvt --help |
| 01:56.36 | xtknight | is there a good front-end GUI for making debian packages? |
| 01:56.49 | Guerin | xtknight: we call it `xterm' |
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| 01:57.00 | jmd | xtknight, debhelper |
| 01:57.27 | xtknight | thx, brb |
| 01:57.32 | Wyzard | wes_: You're running 64-bit sid, right? |
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| 01:57.49 | zachhale | how do i enable unstable in apt? |
| 01:57.52 | Miesco | Guerin: I mean like while in the program |
| 01:57.54 | wes_ | Wyzard, etch |
| 01:58.15 | Wyzard | wes_: etch doesn't have 2.6.18-4 |
| 01:58.21 | Guerin | Miesco: no. |
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| 01:58.25 | zachhale | anyone? |
| 01:58.25 | Wyzard | wes_: Where did you get that kernel from? |
| 01:58.33 | Miesco | Guerin: No? |
| 01:58.35 | Guerin | zachhale: if you have to ask, you don't. |
| 01:58.48 | Guerin | Miesco: can't be done; you have to start it with the option set |
| 01:58.59 | wes_ | Wyzard, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 01:59.02 | Miesco | Guerin: Okay |
| 01:59.19 | Wyzard | wes_: so you don't have unstable sources, but you installed that single specific package from unstable |
| 01:59.25 | wes_ | Wyzard, .17 didnt have support for my nic driver (e1000) and I saw that .18 did so I got the new kernel |
| 01:59.26 | Wyzard | wes_: so do the same thing for the headers one |
| 02:00.04 | wes_ | What do you mean I dont have unstable sources |
| 02:00.08 | Miesco | Guerin: Whats the command for xrources again |
| 02:00.17 | Guerin | Miesco: ? |
| 02:00.22 | Miesco | Guerin: Like rgdb --merge or something |
| 02:00.28 | Wyzard | wes_: You're running etch... your sources.list points to etch so aptitude only knows about etch packages |
| 02:00.31 | Guerin | Miesco: xrdb -merge |
| 02:00.37 | Miesco | k |
| 02:01.06 | Guerin | rrr, my mail server seems to have lost connectivity |
| 02:01.07 | Wyzard | wes_: You installed one particular package from sid so aptitude knows about your installed version of that, but it doesn't know about the headers one because that's not in etch either |
| 02:01.17 | Guerin | hm, nope |
| 02:01.22 | Guerin | just going verrrry slow |
| 02:01.24 | Miesco | Guerin: How do I make my .Xresources file go in affect? |
| 02:01.35 | wes_ | Wyzard, ah that makes sense so I need the sid headers then |
| 02:01.43 | Guerin | Miesco: xrdb -merge .Xresources ? |
| 02:01.44 | Wyzard | wes_: exactly |
| 02:02.05 | Wyzard | wes_: Anytime you install a kernel package, it's a good idea to install the corresponding headers package too |
| 02:02.08 | Miesco | Guerin: Okay |
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| 02:05.21 | Miesco | Whats a window manager that can be tiled and dynamic |
| 02:05.34 | rahul | "dynamic"? |
| 02:05.50 | Guerin | Miesco: all wondow managers are dynamic, so a tiled WM is something like Ion |
| 02:05.59 | wes_ | Wyzard, once I have downloaded the depends, I just need to dpkg -i packagename.deb right? |
| 02:06.22 | Wyzard | wes_: Yes, the same thing you did for the kernel itself |
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| 02:06.27 | belkin | can anyone please help me with postfix ? looks like it doesnt create the user maildir anymore, i can access the already addded user but not any new ones (which does exist in mysql database) |
| 02:06.29 | Miesco | Guerin: Yea I know, but I dont like ion, looking for something else, if evilwm was able to be tiled that would be good |
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| 02:06.39 | zachhale | what's a good ssh server? |
| 02:06.39 | xtknight | you always need root for installing packages, no? |
| 02:06.50 | parsonsd | zachhale : sshd |
| 02:06.54 | Guerin | Miesco: anything can be tiled quite trivially |
| 02:07.06 | Guerin | zachhale: this has to be a trick question |
| 02:07.17 | Wyzard | xtknight: yes, though getting root can be done through something like sudo to allow specific non-root users to install packages if you want |
| 02:07.21 | Guerin | zachhale: since there is only one common ssh implementation in use |
| 02:07.27 | wes_ | Wyzard, ok when I do that the last thing it says is Setting up packagename.deb . . . it doesnt do any install that I see |
| 02:07.35 | wes_ | Wyzard, is that correct, sorry just starting out here |
| 02:07.56 | Miesco | Guerin: trivially? |
| 02:08.09 | Wyzard | wes_: It installed the package... there's not much to "see" since that package doesn't have any configuration questions or anything |
| 02:08.32 | belkin | anyone ? |
| 02:08.39 | Guerin | Miesco: step 1: open a window. step 2: resize the window according to your needs. step 3: move the window someplace on the desktop where it doesn't cover anything else |
| 02:08.47 | Guerin | Miesco: repeat as desired |
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| 02:10.01 | chris_go1 | good morning |
| 02:10.11 | karsten | !good morning |
| 02:10.12 | dpkg | i heard good morning is the only good morning is a dead morning. |
| 02:10.26 | chris_go1 | I'm suspecting a memleak in smbd, at least here on this box |
| 02:10.27 | john___ | quick question, with a usb based external harddrive, what would be the file system type for the fstab file |
| 02:10.30 | MatBoy | !good night |
| 02:10.30 | dpkg | Good night, matboy ! |
| 02:10.30 | Ronin | wrong, any morning you wake up is a good morning :) |
| 02:10.36 | Miesco | Guerin: Thats a lot of work though |
| 02:10.45 | chris_go1 | smbd is still running - can I use gdb to track it down somehow? |
| 02:10.52 | xtknight | john___: whatever filesytem you formatted the drive as |
| 02:10.54 | MatBoy | karsten, hehe, not that nice for you this morning :p |
| 02:10.57 | Guerin | Miesco: not compared to how much you've spent thinking about it |
| 02:11.22 | parsonsd | john___ : i'd start with trying just -t auto settings and then i'd try vfat |
| 02:11.28 | karsten | MatBoy: This is a fine morning. |
| 02:11.38 | karsten | MatBoy: The best mornings are early evenings. |
| 02:11.39 | chris_go1 | ok, then s/good morning/hello/ next time :) |
| 02:11.42 | john___ | k thank you |
| 02:11.50 | MatBoy | karsten, ytou are right ! |
| 02:11.52 | MatBoy | -t |
| 02:12.33 | chris_go1 | 23734 nobody 0 872m 158m 713m 1.0 71.1 43:48 /usr/sbin/smbd -D |
| 02:12.43 | Miesco | Guerin: Yea I guess, im going to try dwm |
| 02:12.45 | chris_go1 | ...is too much I'd say |
| 02:12.48 | kritical | I'm trying to extract /dev/null from a tar file and I get a mknod error "operation not permitted".. does anyone know why? |
| 02:13.08 | Guerin | kritical: because that's not how /dev works |
| 02:13.20 | chris_go1 | kritical: to which fs are you trying to extract? |
| 02:13.35 | kritical | I'm backing up and restoring vservers from tar |
| 02:13.43 | chris_go1 | kritical: to which fs? |
| 02:13.49 | kritical | etx3 |
| 02:13.59 | kritical | ext3* |
| 02:14.00 | Guerin | kritical: why on earth would you back up /dev? It's created by the kernel and/or userspace tools |
| 02:14.01 | chris_go1 | mounted with -o nodev? |
| 02:14.16 | chris_go1 | but Guerin is right anyway |
| 02:14.25 | chris_go1 | no sense in backup up /dev |
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| 02:14.28 | kritical | Guerin, I'm backing up the root directory of my vservers |
| 02:14.37 | chris_go1 | --exclude /dev then :) |
| 02:14.53 | Guerin | kritical: --exclude /dev, /proc, /sys at the very least |
| 02:14.58 | kritical | How would I go about restoring /dev then? |
| 02:15.03 | chris_go1 | use MAKEDEV |
| 02:15.09 | chris_go1 | or: udev |
| 02:15.13 | Guerin | kritical: you don't, the kernel does it on boot |
| 02:15.13 | chris_go1 | udev |
| 02:15.22 | kritical | Guerin, even for vservers? |
| 02:15.45 | wes_ | Wyzard, you there? |
| 02:15.47 | Guerin | kritical: depends on the vserver implementation, I suppose. But /dev isn't really what you expect. |
| 02:16.22 | Wyzard | wes_: yes |
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| 02:17.16 | kritical | Basically what I'm trying to do is automate the vserver creation process based on a template vserver.. my script tars a template vserver and pushes it to a remote host... archiving the vserver is easy, extracting it gives me those errors... |
| 02:17.53 | chris_go1 | however, I just tar'ed up /dev and restored it again somehwere else |
| 02:17.56 | wes_ | Wyzard, the auto-install worked this time, thanks. And I installed the nvidia-glx which it says to here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
| 02:18.02 | chris_go1 | and it succeeded |
| 02:18.23 | chris_go1 | kritical: how is this ext3 mounted? |
| 02:18.28 | kritical | chris_go1, I wonder what would happen if you were to tar it on one machine and extract it on another? |
| 02:18.40 | Wyzard | wes_: nvidia-glx is the actual X driver |
| 02:18.51 | chris_go1 | kritical: why should that be idfferent? |
| 02:18.59 | Wyzard | wes_: nvidia-kernel provides the kernel-mode facilities that nvidia-glx needs |
| 02:18.59 | chris_go1 | it's just (special)files? |
| 02:19.00 | wes_ | Wyzard, Ah alright. . so now I need to edit xorg.conf? |
| 02:19.12 | kritical | chris_go1, how do I find out how it's mounted? |
| 02:19.21 | chris_go1 | mount |
| 02:19.30 | Wyzard | wes_: Yes... in the Device section, change "Driver" from whatever it is now (probably "vesa" or "nv") to "nvidia" |
| 02:19.50 | kritical | chris_go1, I can't see any entry for /dev .... I can see root? |
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| 02:20.19 | chris_go1 | kritical: send me the output of mount as a query if you like |
| 02:20.24 | wes_ | Wyzard, Do I need to add a load "nvidia" line to the modules? and also comment out the dri in the modules? |
| 02:20.25 | kritical | okay cool |
| 02:20.38 | stoned | !paster kritical |
| 02:20.38 | dpkg | kritical: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 02:20.44 | wes_ | Wyzard, load glx I mean, not load nvidia |
| 02:21.50 | stoned | wes_: comment out glx and dri |
| 02:21.54 | chris_go1 | kritical: ok, so your /dev is no devfs nor udev, it's just the special files on the same fs of your "/" |
| 02:22.25 | chris_go1 | and you're getting an error when restoring dev/null? |
| 02:22.28 | wes_ | stoned, really? in that link I posted it says to keep load glx |
| 02:22.40 | kritical | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5208 <- chris_go1 |
| 02:22.46 | stoned | wes_: what link? |
| 02:22.47 | chris_go1 | but don't bother with tar, really |
| 02:22.51 | chris_go1 | MAKEDEV |
| 02:22.59 | Wyzard | wes: no, those don't matter |
| 02:23.03 | wes_ | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries |
| 02:23.06 | kritical | chris_go1, that shows mounts from both boxes, the one the vserver is archived on, and the one it's getting extracted to |
| 02:23.19 | kritical | chris_go1, problem is it's not just dev I'm backing up... its the entire root of the vserver |
| 02:23.22 | wes_ | Wyzard, ok then it says to # grep -q ^nvidia /etc/modules || echo nvidia >> /etc/modules |
| 02:23.23 | wes_ | which I did |
| 02:23.32 | stoned | ahh |
| 02:23.34 | stoned | my bad |
| 02:23.37 | stoned | glcore/dri |
| 02:23.39 | wes_ | this will load the nvidia module correct? |
| 02:23.40 | Wyzard | wes_: You need the Load "glx" line, but it's almost certainly already there |
| 02:23.42 | stoned | comment those out |
| 02:23.45 | stoned | leave glx in |
| 02:23.46 | wes_ | yes, it is |
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| 02:23.48 | wes_ | alright |
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| 02:24.01 | stoned | I didn't remmeber correctly I'm sorry |
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| 02:24.12 | kritical | chris_go1, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5209 <-- this is the output when extracting the tar |
| 02:24.13 | chris_go1 | and you're getting which errors again? |
| 02:24.18 | chris_go1 | ok, wait |
| 02:24.19 | wes_ | its fine stoned . . now do I just modprobe nvidia ? |
| 02:24.24 | cool_sun | hi guys, i am facing... Invalid option: "single-pic-base" |
| 02:24.25 | stoned | just modprobe it |
| 02:24.36 | Wyzard | wes_: Putting "nvidia" in /etc/modules will force it to be loaded automatically at boot time, but that isn't necessary since it'll be loaded automatically by the X driver when it's needed |
| 02:24.41 | cool_sun | what the error is |
| 02:24.43 | stoned | it should get modprobed right after you build themodule with module assistant |
| 02:25.16 | cool_sun | single-pic-base???? |
| 02:25.19 | wes_ | oh I see |
| 02:25.25 | wes_ | so now I guess I restart fluxbox? |
| 02:25.34 | Wyzard | wes_: restart all of X |
| 02:25.44 | wes_ | wwhats the best way to do this? |
| 02:25.51 | stoned | alt + ctrl + backspace |
| 02:26.09 | Wyzard | wes_: Does your system use a graphical login screen? |
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| 02:26.26 | wes_ | yes |
| 02:26.28 | Wyzard | wes_: Or do you log in at the console and run "startx" ? |
| 02:26.36 | chris_go1 | kritical: do "cd /var/tmp/var/lib/vservers/template-vserver/dev/ && ls -l null" |
| 02:26.43 | wes_ | actually, I did have to startx |
| 02:26.44 | stoned | //etc/init.d/*dm restart |
| 02:26.49 | stoned | eitherway |
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| 02:27.11 | Wyzard | wes_: You just answered "yes" to two questions that are supposed to be mutually exclusive... graphical login screen or not? |
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| 02:27.26 | wes_ | I had to log startx from the console |
| 02:27.41 | wes_ | I had to startx from the console* |
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| 02:27.44 | Wyzard | stoned: better to use "reload" than "restart" since it doesn't abruptly kill the session... tell it to reload, then log out and it'll restart the server |
| 02:27.48 | kritical | chris_go1, ls: null: No such file or directory |
| 02:27.49 | kritical | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.52 | stoned | Wyzard: really |
| 02:27.56 | stoned | I did not know this |
| 02:27.58 | Wyzard | wes_: ok, just quit X back to the console however you normally do, then start it again |
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| 02:28.22 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:28.45 | stoned | jo |
| 02:28.47 | stoned | hi |
| 02:28.52 | Azar | ;) |
| 02:28.58 | karsten | Azar: s/nora/rribal/ |
| 02:29.10 | Azar | Dell bailer |
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| 02:29.22 | Azar | :D |
| 02:29.34 | stoned | hey |
| 02:29.35 | stoned | man |
| 02:29.37 | stoned | :( |
| 02:29.38 | wes_ | that didnt work as I thougth it would |
| 02:29.42 | Wyzard | karsten: horribalbles? |
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| 02:29.48 | wes_ | I am now in gnome. . |
| 02:29.53 | wes_ | instead of fluxbox |
| 02:29.56 | Azar | hi mister karsten |
| 02:30.04 | cool_sun | any one pls help to solve this compile errror "Invalid option: single-pic-base" |
| 02:30.09 | chris_go1 | kritical: are you root? |
| 02:30.18 | Wyzard | wes_: You just ran startx again, right? |
| 02:30.20 | De_Mon | whats that program that gives memory info like top does? |
| 02:30.29 | stoned | free |
| 02:30.32 | Wyzard | wes_: And you didn't install or remove any other software at the same time as your nvidia driver? |
| 02:30.35 | De_Mon | i thought it was sysinfo |
| 02:30.36 | wes_ | Wyzard, ctrl,alt, backspace just brought me back to my login screen |
| 02:30.39 | stoned | free |
| 02:30.39 | kritical | chris_go1, umm no :S |
| 02:30.45 | chris_go1 | because I just saw that I could only "mknod null c 1 3" as root :( |
| 02:30.47 | wes_ | the graphical login screen |
| 02:30.53 | wes_ | not back to my command prompt |
| 02:30.54 | kritical | chris_go1, lol =) |
| 02:30.54 | chris_go1 | i did not know this either... |
| 02:30.55 | karsten | Wyzard: Horrible, innit? |
| 02:31.00 | stoned | De_Mon: man free |
| 02:31.06 | chris_go1 | yeah, lol indeed |
| 02:31.11 | kritical | chris_go1, one moment, lets give it another try |
| 02:31.14 | Wyzard | wes_: I thought you said you didn't have a graphical login screen, that you logged in at a console and ran startx? |
| 02:31.18 | karsten | Azar: My friends call me mister. |
| 02:31.26 | karsten | Azar: ... I don't have any friends. |
| 02:31.31 | stoned | hey |
| 02:31.32 | De_Mon | free could have been what Im thinking of |
| 02:31.33 | Azar | karsten: honored to feel your friend |
| 02:31.33 | stoned | thats not true |
| 02:31.38 | stoned | karsten: I'm your firne |
| 02:31.39 | stoned | awee |
| 02:31.41 | stoned | c'mere |
| 02:31.42 | stoned | !hug |
| 02:31.43 | De_Mon | it was like free and uptime combined |
| 02:31.49 | daedalus_ | De_Mon: Uh, top? (when in top, hit shift+o, then n, <enter>) |
| 02:31.49 | stoned | !hug karsten |
| 02:31.51 | wes_ | Wyzard, I thought I did too, the first time which was only just before I started talking to you I had just installed xorg and fluxbox, so I did startx and it brought me to a graphical login screen |
| 02:31.54 | stoned | goddamn bot |
| 02:31.58 | karsten | stoned: See: You can't even spell it and you take the hugs for yourself. |
| 02:32.11 | stoned | its my keybaord man |
| 02:32.13 | stoned | I swear to god |
| 02:32.13 | Azar | xorg brings the ugly xdm with it |
| 02:32.14 | Wyzard | wes_: startx doesn't take you to a login screen |
| 02:32.15 | stoned | I can spell |
| 02:32.18 | chris_go1 | mknod("null", S_IFCHR|0666, makedev(1, 3)) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
| 02:32.26 | wes_ | Wyzard, then I am not sure what happened |
| 02:32.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:32.32 | stoned | he said 666 |
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| 02:32.36 | stoned | uhuh huh huhhuh |
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| 02:32.43 | kritical | chris_go1, no errors ;O |
| 02:32.50 | chris_go1 | phew... |
| 02:32.57 | kritical | chris_go1, what was that last thing you posted there? |
| 02:33.00 | Azar | Wyzard: tell him how to disable the .dm |
| 02:33.12 | chris_go1 | when running mknod with strace |
| 02:33.12 | stoned | apt-get --purge remove kdm gdm xdm |
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| 02:33.22 | PraiseChaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.24 | PraiseChaos | Pfft. |
| 02:33.28 | stoned | hahaha |
| 02:33.30 | PraiseChaos | I suck. |
| 02:33.33 | Azar | well some don't want to remove .dm just disable it |
| 02:33.35 | Wyzard | Azar: He's not trying to disable the DM; I was just trying to figure out whether he has one or not so I could tell him how to restart X |
| 02:33.36 | stoned | thas awesome |
| 02:33.39 | chris_go1 | still dunno why mknod is not allowed for null |
| 02:33.40 | stoned | and here I thought I was the pothead |
| 02:33.41 | stoned | lol |
| 02:33.49 | stoned | PraiseChaos: j/k |
| 02:33.57 | Azar | Wyzard: with .dm enabled he allways login to a gui screen |
| 02:34.05 | chris_go1 | I could imaging for not allowing to create hda and stuff |
| 02:34.05 | kritical | chris_go1, well it appears to have worked now as it should? |
| 02:34.06 | wes_ | Azar, are you talking about me |
| 02:34.15 | Azar | or, he can use the Fn keys to move to a console |
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| 02:34.24 | Wyzard | Azar: Yes, I know, which is why I was confused when he told me yes, he has a graphical login screen, and yes, he uses startx to run X |
| 02:34.25 | PraiseChaos | Lol. Seriously.... I stuck an extra space in there like a tard. |
| 02:34.36 | Azar | ah cool |
| 02:34.39 | stoned | well thats weird then |
| 02:34.45 | stoned | thats like how the hell |
| 02:34.55 | kritical | chris_go1, the script that's executing has sudo access using SSH authorized_keys and a seperate user.. so it's fairly locked down.. |
| 02:34.56 | chris_go1 | kritical: you'd have to be root anyway to preserver ownerships when extracting the tarball (-p) |
| 02:35.29 | Wyzard | wes_: It sounds like you installed GDM (the graphical login screen program) at some point but hadn't actually run it yet |
| 02:35.29 | kritical | chris_go1, preserve ownership isn't the default? |
| 02:35.29 | chris_go1 | not as user |
| 02:35.36 | kritical | chris_go1, how about as root? |
| 02:35.38 | chris_go1 | a user cannot chown() |
| 02:35.51 | chris_go1 | yes, as root it's the default...should be |
| 02:35.56 | chris_go1 | the manpage knows best |
| 02:36.06 | Wyzard | wes_: but I can't think of any way that "startx" would launch GDM and give you a graphical login screen, rather than just running your session (Fluxbox or whatever) directly |
| 02:36.08 | kritical | chris_go1, I dunno I seem to think you might know best =) |
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| 02:36.23 | stoned | modem |
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| 02:36.38 | Guerin | kritical: yeah, tar automatically preserves ownership when invoked as root |
| 02:36.41 | Guerin | for sanity's sake |
| 02:36.48 | kritical | chris_go1, thanks for helping me with this one, greatly appreciated! |
| 02:36.53 | chris_go1 | np |
| 02:37.07 | stoned | Guerin: I'm watching lord of the rings |
| 02:37.15 | stoned | nice landscapes |
| 02:37.34 | rahul | when you're stoned |
| 02:37.42 | chris_go1 | hm, initially I joined the channel because I have some problems over here. hmpf. |
| 02:37.48 | Guerin | stoned: yeh. I live 10km from the studios :) |
| 02:38.00 | Guerin | and 30km from Helm's Deep |
| 02:38.00 | stoned | Guerin: I know man.. I've love to come visit |
| 02:38.02 | chris_go1 | 23734 nobody 0 872m 152m 719m 2.0 71.6 44:08 /usr/sbin/smbd -D |
| 02:38.05 | stoned | I would* |
| 02:38.14 | stoned | I could live my life out like a hobbit |
| 02:38.16 | chris_go1 | anybody knows how to track down memleaks? |
| 02:38.16 | wes_ | Wyzard, so what should I do/ |
| 02:38.16 | chris_go1 | gdb? |
| 02:38.18 | Guerin | heh |
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| 02:38.45 | Wyzard | chris_go1: valgrind |
| 02:39.01 | Guerin | Supaplex: things like remote controls ... cellphones when the battery is dead ... pens ... screwdrivers |
| 02:39.13 | chris_go1 | Wyzard: can I attach this to a still running process? |
| 02:39.19 | rahul | stoned: yeah, hobbits get stoned a lot |
| 02:39.23 | curt | Supaplex, that's what wives are for .. finding stuffs. |
| 02:39.24 | Supaplex | Guerin: right! |
| 02:39.38 | Wyzard | chris_go1: no, it's a CPU emulator so you have to launch the program within it |
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| 02:39.54 | belkin | why postfix downt create the user maildir until it receive the first email ? |
| 02:39.56 | Supaplex | curt: I thought they were for spending $$$ |
| 02:40.07 | Supaplex | belkin: by design |
| 02:40.08 | chris_go1 | hm, no good then. it could be non-reproducible |
| 02:40.09 | Guerin | belkin: because it's not needed until then |
| 02:40.16 | jmd | Anyone know if it's possible to configure a laptop as a multi-headed X server ? |
| 02:40.17 | Wyzard | wes_: If you're using GDM (graphical login) now, go back to the login screen and look at the "Sessions" menu... you should see Fluxbox there |
| 02:40.27 | Guerin | belkin: the first thing you should do after setting up an account is test it anyway |
| 02:40.39 | Guerin | jmd: sure, if the hardware supports it |
| 02:40.42 | wes_ | Wyzard, is there a way to make it the default manager? |
| 02:40.43 | belkin | Supaplex well if i want to send ? i cannot login into the web interface because the user maildire doesnt exist |
| 02:40.51 | Azar | hehe stoned did you see this? http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 02:40.57 | Guerin | belkin: send a mail! |
| 02:41.04 | belkin | Guerin yeah but i dont want to test 100 mails |
| 02:41.07 | Supaplex | belkin: oh pity. then either make the directory, or send a test message. |
| 02:41.08 | Wyzard | wes_: When you choose the Fluxbox session and log in, GDM will ask you whether you want that to be your default |
| 02:41.12 | Guerin | belkin: why not? |
| 02:41.13 | wes_ | Wyzard, and I did glxinfo|grep rendering and it returned Yes . . this means that I have 3d accel with nvids drivers now? |
| 02:41.18 | Guerin | you'll have to eventually |
| 02:41.35 | belkin | Guerin so there is no way i can change this ? |
| 02:41.37 | Azar | Guerin! my respects to missus |
| 02:41.43 | Guerin | belkin: yes. SEND A MAIL. |
| 02:41.50 | jmd | Guerin: If the laptop has a internal LCD and an external SVGA port, then it must support it, since these are two different technologies, then there must be two video drivers ?? |
| 02:41.53 | Guerin | Azar: missus? |
| 02:41.58 | Azar | Guerin, look at that site |
| 02:42.04 | stoned | not yet |
| 02:42.05 | Azar | Guerin: your wifey |
| 02:42.05 | stoned | hold on |
| 02:42.07 | Guerin | jmd: that logic ain't |
| 02:42.15 | Guerin | Azar: yes, i've seen it |
| 02:42.18 | belkin | Guerin is thre not a way to send a mail automatically to a all new users ? |
| 02:42.21 | gnat_x | are there docs out there for best practices with compiling stuff in debian? is there a way to specify when doing so what dependent packages are being used from the apt repository. or a way to tell apt-get or aptitude to use a user compiled lib? |
| 02:42.23 | Wyzard | wes_: Sounds like it... try some 3D stuff |
| 02:42.37 | Guerin | belkin: the script I use does, yes. Almost all scripts do. |
| 02:43.07 | belkin | Guerin what script ? |
| 02:43.11 | Wyzard | jmd: The video driver is for the GPU, not the screen, and there's almost certainly only one GPU in a laptop, so no, you don't need two drivers |
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| 02:43.45 | gnat_x | what i'm trying to do is use the gnomad2 package from the etch repositories, but in order to it to work with my mp3 player i need libmtp. which isn't in debian (yet). |
| 02:43.49 | Wyzard | jmd: You may need to add two "Device" sections in your xorg.conf, for the two outputs of the same GPU |
| 02:43.57 | belkin | Guerin give it to me :) |
| 02:44.18 | Wyzard | jmd: Alternatively, if the GPU is made by nVidia or ATI, you can use their TwinView or Hydravision features |
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| 02:44.45 | wes_ | Wyzard, I did not see the place at my login screen |
| 02:44.46 | zmef420 | hi all |
| 02:44.54 | jmd | Wyzard: Yes. I've got an additional Device section. |
| 02:44.58 | wes_ | Wyzard, it was just a debian screen with a username and password input fields |
| 02:44.59 | belkin | Guerin thank you ;) |
| 02:45.10 | Azar | yeee!!! The Top Ten Reasons to Come to the So Cal Linux Expo http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/79626/index.html |
| 02:45.28 | Wyzard | wes_: There should be some additional clickable options, usually on the bottom or one of the sides of the screen |
| 02:45.54 | zmef420 | i am trying to install debian sarge via floppies on an old laptop and need help with an old wireless card |
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| 02:46.39 | Azar | zmef420: did you picked the linux 2.6 option? |
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| 02:46.51 | cockroach | am i right in assuming that in order to use distcc, all machines need the same versions of the libraries involved? |
| 02:46.55 | zmef420 | didn't see it |
| 02:47.04 | wes_ | Wyzard, nope, there is nothing there except the debian logo on my login screen and two fields |
| 02:47.10 | enouf | wes: try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager as root |
| 02:47.16 | Azar | zmef420: its at the beginning of the install, you got to type : linux26 or linux2.6 |
| 02:47.35 | zmef420 | with the boot floppy even? |
| 02:47.35 | enouf | wes_: what does cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? |
| 02:47.43 | jmd | Wyzard: Thing is, If I configure X with the nv driver, then the external screen is garbage. If I run it with the vesa driver it's ok, but both screens are really crappy quality. Is there any way I can get the crappy quality on the external screen, but the high quality on the LCD ?? |
| 02:47.48 | zmef420 | i'll try it, thanks |
| 02:47.51 | zmef420 | brb |
| 02:48.09 | wes_ | enouf, /usr/bin/X11/xdm |
| 02:48.14 | linux2 | Azar: have i been summoned? |
| 02:48.19 | Malf | xdm ftw |
| 02:48.25 | enouf | wes_: ok .. so xdm is your DM, not gdm |
| 02:48.27 | Azar | linux2: nope, read up ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:48.48 | Wyzard | eww, XDM |
| 02:48.55 | Wyzard | That's why :-) |
| 02:49.01 | Supaplex | !dm |
| 02:49.01 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 02:49.02 | wes_ | Haha this is bad? Should I uninstall that |
| 02:49.03 | Wyzard | Use GDM |
| 02:49.16 | Supaplex | !start a dm war |
| 02:49.16 | dpkg | gdm is the one true way! |
| 02:49.18 | wes_ | Ok |
| 02:49.21 | Malf | psh |
| 02:49.25 | wes_ | How do I uninstall :) |
| 02:49.26 | enouf | wes: try update-alternatives --config x-session-manager as well |
| 02:49.27 | Malf | XDM will set you free |
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| 02:49.39 | Azar | wes_: if you don't care for a bloated desktop, yes. I only run X with no .dm only openbox |
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| 02:50.00 | wes_ | Azar, Well I want to run fluxbox |
| 02:50.04 | Wyzard | Azar: So you log in at the console and run startx? |
| 02:50.09 | Azar | put a cool Myst picture on my background and that all |
| 02:50.11 | Malf | wes_: I'm running flux with xdm up front |
| 02:50.13 | rahul | *dm has nothing to do with "bloated desktop" |
| 02:50.18 | Azar | Wyzard: yes |
| 02:50.30 | rahul | it's just like a getty that uses X instead. |
| 02:50.33 | enouf | wes_: man update-alternatives .. theres one option that'll walk you through all te alternatives available .. something like update-alternatives --all or somesuch |
| 02:50.41 | wes_ | Whats the difference between xdm and fluxbox? newb question I know. . . |
| 02:50.45 | Azar | wes_: then remove all .dm (ask dpkg how) put a bgimage and install fluxbox |
| 02:50.51 | Wyzard | Azar: so if someone comes along and presses Ctrl-Alt-F1 or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace they have a shell, even if you've locked your display with a screensaver? |
| 02:51.02 | rahul | wes_: it's the difference between linux and bash |
| 02:51.03 | Malf | wes_: xdm is basically a graphical login |
| 02:51.03 | wes_ | fluxbox is already installed somewhere |
| 02:51.13 | rahul | wes_: they're totally different things |
| 02:51.16 | wes_ | Well I dont care about the login screen |
| 02:51.17 | Malf | wes_: Whereas fluxbox is what actually manages your desktop once you log in |
| 02:51.22 | Wyzard | wes_: XDM and GDM are login display managers... Fluxbox is a window manager that gets run once you've logged in |
| 02:51.24 | Azar | Wyzard: hmm nobody has phisical access to my boxes |
| 02:51.31 | wes_ | I would just assume to have a console login |
| 02:51.42 | wes_ | I don't need a graphical login |
| 02:52.00 | Azar | my openbox run only if I call it with the mouse |
| 02:52.03 | Wyzard | ok, then remove (and preferably purge) xdm |
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| 02:52.08 | Malf | wes_: Yeah. Mine is up since the gf uses this box right now and she prefers the login to learning a command or two |
| 02:52.18 | enouf | apt-get --purge remove xdm gdm kdm as stoned said earlier |
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| 02:52.27 | wes_ | Ah I see |
| 02:52.29 | Malf | but yeah definitely purge it |
| 02:52.58 | Supaplex | E: Couldn't find package as |
| 02:53.01 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 02:53.02 | Wyzard | It'd be nice if aptitude had a "purge by default" option |
| 02:53.22 | Azar | Wyzard: aptitude had a moment of screwup when I removed xdm, it refused to recognize xfree86 and allways offered to remove it |
| 02:53.32 | Malf | I've done it to temporarily uninstall something here and there in case I wanted to jump back to it without having to reconfigure. Although there are admittedly few programs that I custom configured enough for that to matter |
| 02:53.42 | wes_ | ok enouf so you say to update-alternatives now? |
| 02:53.53 | Azar | I installed xfree86 with aptitude (which brought the xdm with it) then removed xdm with apt-get. Aptitude got mad |
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| 02:54.12 | Azar | ;0) |
| 02:54.16 | Malf | hah |
| 02:54.20 | enouf | wes_: yep .. that'll set your default -whatever- you choose |
| 02:54.21 | Wyzard | Malf: I've done that maybe once or twice over the course of about 6 years running sid... not enough to warrant a special (and on-by-default) feature in the package manager |
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| 02:54.43 | Malf | Wyzard: Indeed. |
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| 02:54.55 | enouf | wes: guess you want this for fluxbox update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
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| 02:55.22 | Malf | Wyzard: I've stayed testing since my start and only been going for around 4 years but I definitely agree. It's a rare case at best |
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| 02:55.35 | wes_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.35 | wes_ | There is only 1 program which provides x-session-manager |
| 02:55.35 | wes_ | (/usr/bin/gnome-session). Nothing to configure. |
| 02:55.39 | fantomas | Hi. Is there a tool which scans a HDD for bad blocks and marks them as BAD? |
| 02:55.45 | wes_ | What the heck, I was just running fluxbox a minute ago |
| 02:55.53 | enouf | wes: try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
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| 02:56.10 | talisein | fantomas: badblocks will tell you where they are. |
| 02:56.13 | Supaplex | fantomas: badblocks |
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| 02:56.21 | Wyzard | fantomas: Hard drives do that internally, invisibly to software |
| 02:56.24 | enouf | slippery lil' bastage those alternatives |
| 02:56.25 | Supaplex | fantomas: and tune2fs |
| 02:56.49 | wes_ | enouf ah that did it |
| 02:56.53 | Supaplex | media read errors on hdd's are a sign it's time to be replaced |
| 02:56.53 | enouf | wes_: you can ls -al /etc/alternatives to see what you can configure as an alternative |
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| 02:57.07 | fantomas | Supaplex: thats what happened to me |
| 02:57.10 | enouf | wes_: review the man pages as well :-) |
| 02:57.12 | Wyzard | fantomas: If you ever see bad sectors on a modern hard drive, even a few, it means there were already so many that the drive ran out of spare sectors to remap them with, and you should replace the drive because it's only going to continue getting worse |
| 02:57.13 | talisein | fantomas: but remember the blocks you find with badblocks are only the same blocks your filesystem sees if you choose the same blocksize |
| 02:57.31 | wes_ | enouf, ok now what is the ebst way to restart x and drop me back to the command prompt |
| 02:57.50 | fantomas | so many info :) |
| 02:58.15 | enouf | erm .. could either ctrl-alt-f1 is you logged in a tty |
| 02:58.48 | bier_ | does anybody know of a good debian cryptfs howto? |
| 02:58.56 | Azar | this is cool, we used to learn html by building colortables, here is Agave for whomever is interested http://home.gna.org/colorscheme/screenshots.shtml |
| 02:58.58 | bier_ | s/of/about |
| 02:59.11 | fantomas | I've installed and investigated smartmontools and many interesting facts abount my hdds have been revealed :) |
| 02:59.11 | Wyzard | bier_: The etch installer supports creating encrypted partitions at install time |
| 03:00.11 | bier_ | Wyzard: thx, i'll give it a try |
| 03:00.12 | Supaplex | fantomas: in summary, 1. backup 2. no backup? see #1. 3. RMA (if in warranty) 4. replace (if you can afford it) 5. vendor sector format+recovery (destructive; might work; YMMV; caveat emptor) 6. badblocks+tune2fs (last hope) |
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| 03:00.52 | wes | enouf: It said there was already a server running and to remove /tmp/.Xo0-lock or something, then start again, but now when I startx it says a panel is already running I will now exit |
| 03:01.11 | enouf | wes_: or .. use f{2..6} for other logins .. (ttys) .. or grep -r X /etc/init.d/ and see if tyou have a /fluxbox file (I never used it) .. |
| 03:01.32 | zmef420 | Debian pwns! |
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| 03:01.45 | wes | sigh |
| 03:02.01 | enouf | wes: you likely then didn't login through a tty first .. so /etc/init.d/fluxbox reload or similar |
| 03:02.21 | Wyzard | enouf: fluxbox has an initscript? |
| 03:02.29 | enouf | Wyzard: nfc .. heh |
| 03:02.44 | enouf | Wyzard: what's the "proper" way to restart X? |
| 03:02.52 | Wyzard | sounds like he was logged into GNOME through gdm, then switched to a console and ran startx |
| 03:03.10 | Wyzard | enouf: If using GDM, "/etc/init.d/gdm reload", then log out -- that'll restart the X server |
| 03:03.15 | enouf | Wyzard: say if no DMs were involved .. |
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| 03:03.44 | enouf | Wyzard: then a console login would've taken place .. right? |
| 03:03.59 | Wyzard | enouf: Then just log out (in the normal way, through the WM's or DE's menu or whatever) and you get your console back |
| 03:03.59 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 03:04.14 | Supaplex | ps, top. all great utils... |
| 03:04.20 | wes | ARgh gnome started again |
| 03:04.30 | Supaplex | !shoot gnome |
| 03:04.33 | fantomas | Wyzard: is remapping program a part of SMART? If so does it work when smart does not enabled in BIOS? |
| 03:04.45 | Supaplex | !smart |
| 03:04.45 | dpkg | i heard smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure, or see the smartmontools package. |
| 03:05.02 | enouf | finally .. dpkg is carrying a shotgun |
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| 03:05.05 | Supaplex | fantomas: no, it's generally detection only. |
| 03:05.06 | fantomas | Supaplex: much info, yeah |
| 03:05.11 | Wyzard | fantomas: No, the drive does the remapping entirely on its own; SMART just lets you check how much remapping has been done |
| 03:05.18 | fantomas | ok |
| 03:05.20 | enouf | instead of an uzi or ak or somesuch |
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| 03:05.51 | Wyzard | fantomas: Normally the drive will remap defects that it finds during normal operation, reading and writing sectors that the OS asked it to |
| 03:06.20 | Wyzard | fantomas: Some drives may also do their own surface scans when they aren't servicing I/O requests |
| 03:06.34 | Wyzard | and that'll find defects in sectors that the system isn't actually trying to access |
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| 03:07.32 | fantomas | One question left: are SMART counters updated when SMART is disabled in BIOS? |
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| 03:08.01 | fantomas | s/counter/attributes/ |
| 03:08.03 | Supaplex | enouf: behold, |
| 03:08.05 | Supaplex | !literal CMD: shoot (.*?) |
| 03:08.05 | dpkg | "cmd: shoot (.*?)" is "($1): <action> blows $1 away with (a double-barreled shotgun|a German Luger|an Uzi|a BFG 9000|a wand of fireballs|an Elephant gun loaded with Badgers)" |
| 03:08.10 | Wyzard | fantomas: I'm not sure about that... it's a possibility, but I wouldn't say probably |
| 03:08.20 | Wyzard | fantomas: The BIOS setting might also control whether the drive does those self-scans |
| 03:09.07 | Supaplex | I would think they are regardless. they're just ignored by the bios if it lacks/ignores smart support. |
| 03:09.39 | fantomas | Wyzard: judging from my 3 drives - they did't perform any tests ever until I've launched first with smartctl :) |
| 03:09.44 | enouf | Supaplex: heh |
| 03:09.55 | Wyzard | yeah, only some drives do it |
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| 03:10.35 | Supaplex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Monitoring%2C_Analysis%2C_and_Reporting_Technology#Background |
| 03:10.40 | Wyzard | Anyway, if you look at the raw value for remapped sectors, that'll tell you how many defects have actually been found |
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| 03:10.54 | Supaplex | say all those letters in one breath :P |
| 03:10.54 | Wyzard | The mapped value is nominally 100 on most drives, and lower numbers mean worse condition |
| 03:11.22 | enouf | IIRC, only >2.6.15? kernels dsupport smart on sata drives |
| 03:11.29 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:11.32 | Wyzard | libata passthrough |
| 03:11.45 | DJ_Stefan0 | is there a direct manual on how to upgrade to debian unstable (sid), examples of a sources.list? |
| 03:12.02 | blahdeblah | Hi all! Is it possible to use rsnapshot to backup to an smbfs filesystem? |
| 03:12.02 | blahdeblah | It uses hard links, so i assume not, but just wondering if there's a workaround. |
| 03:12.17 | Wyzard | DJ_Stefan0: Just replace the references to "stable" or "testing" or "etch" or whatever with "unstable" or "sid", then run apt-get update |
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| 03:12.36 | abrotman | if you have to ask .. you shouldn't |
| 03:13.02 | enouf | DJ_Stefan0: I concur with abrotmoo |
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| 03:13.12 | Malf | I third that motion |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | Doctor: Do you concur? |
| 03:13.26 | Malf | Any discussion on the matter? |
| 03:13.42 | Malf | No? Then lets bring it to a vote |
| 03:14.12 | DJ_Stefan0 | abrotman: i have to upgrade due to a driver issue |
| 03:14.14 | Malf | All in favor of DJ_Stefan0 switching to unstable, say aye |
| 03:14.22 | Wyzard | hehe... Lite-On has a Blu-Ray drive for $570 USD |
| 03:14.28 | abrotman | DJ_Stefan0: try etch |
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| 03:14.42 | Wyzard | compared to the plain DVD burner which is $37 |
| 03:14.44 | Wyzard | ridiculous |
| 03:15.06 | dondelelcaro | the DVD+-RW 16x burner... |
| 03:15.12 | DJ_Stefan0 | abrotman: etch is not released yet |
| 03:15.18 | Malf | DJ_Stefan0: or possibly consider backporting the driver |
| 03:15.18 | enouf | ith ludicruth |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | DJ_Stefan0: sid will *ever* release |
| 03:15.24 | abrotman | erm ..never |
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| 03:16.08 | enouf | !tell DJ_Stefan0 -about sarge->etch |
| 03:16.40 | Supaplex | DJ_Stefan0: enouf has elected to provide you with endless on demand lifetime support of sid. |
| 03:16.52 | Supaplex | for $99 a minute. |
| 03:16.57 | fantomas | Wyzard: I guess its called "Reallocated Sector Ct" in smartctl -A output... |
| 03:17.05 | fantomas | Wyzard: back to mapping |
| 03:17.06 | fantomas | re |
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| 03:17.17 | Supaplex | fantomas: what's your count? yea, it's Reallocated_Sector_Ct |
| 03:17.30 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The $37 one is their SATA DVDÂąRW drive that I recently bought... works great and no stupid ribbon cables :-) |
| 03:17.52 | enouf | Supaplex: $3.99 per min! now that I've got these female voices to oblige |
| 03:18.08 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 03:18.24 | wes_ | Wyzard, when I do update-alternatives --config x-session-manager , the only session manager that shows up is gnome even though fluxbox is installed, could this be the reason why gnome gets started over fluxbox |
| 03:18.36 | Supaplex | enouf: we never promised effective support now did we? :) |
| 03:18.41 | fantomas | Supaplex: hm.. its strange. For a drive which feel ok its 100/100/36, while for a drive which is almost dead it equals same: 100/100/36 |
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| 03:18.55 | enouf | wes_: perhaps you have gnome preconfigured to auto-login |
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| 03:19.10 | Wyzard | wes_: Fluxbox is a window manager, not a session manager, so that's not surprising |
| 03:19.11 | Supaplex | fantomas: RAW_VAL |
| 03:19.15 | wes_ | can I just purge gnome haha |
| 03:19.22 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, I've got about 5 of their drives |
| 03:19.23 | enouf | wes_: may be able to change that in / running gnome-control-center |
| 03:19.33 | DJ_Stefan0 | meh im no n00b im just lazy.. id rather upgrade to unstable then compile everything i need the latest from source.. |
| 03:19.33 | wes_ | haha |
| 03:19.38 | DJ_Stefan0 | :P |
| 03:19.42 | enouf | !remove gnome |
| 03:19.43 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 03:19.43 | DJ_Stefan0 | but thanx for your help guys |
| 03:19.52 | fantomas | Supaplex: oops :) You are genious :) for OK drive = 37, for BAD one = 3 |
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| 03:20.10 | Supaplex | mine is brannew and it's 0. |
| 03:20.17 | lkthomas | anyone using postfixadmin now ? |
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| 03:20.40 | Supaplex | !tell lkthomas -about anyone |
| 03:20.42 | Supaplex | !tell lkthomas -about ask |
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| 03:21.25 | lkthomas | ok, let me ask the question, I installed postfixadmin, postfix seems work very well, but courier-authdaemon showing authdaemond.mysql: failed to connect to mysql server (server=localhost, userid=postfix..) |
| 03:21.28 | lkthomas | anyone have idea why ? |
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| 03:22.04 | Wyzard | enouf, wes_: It looks like the default Xsession (/etc/X11/Xsession) defaults (via /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common-determine-startup) to running x-session-manager if one exists, otherwise falling back to x-window-manager |
| 03:22.04 | Wyzard | enouf, wes_: but of course you can override it with ~/.xsession |
| 03:22.17 | Malf | or carefully placed items in ~/.xinitrc |
| 03:22.28 | Wyzard | enouf, wes_: so either uninstall gnome-session (why do you have GNOME installed if you only want to use Fluxbox, anyway?) or create a ~/.xsession that runs fluxbox |
| 03:22.29 | fantomas | Supaplex: then it makes no sense -- bad driver (which error count [smartctl -l error -d ata /dev/sda] is about 12000!) has 3 while good driver (error count ~= 200) had 37 |
| 03:22.33 | enouf | Wyzard: ahh .. thanks |
| 03:22.42 | Supaplex | fantomas: http://rafb.net/p/eIgoY842.html is mine. As you see on line 15, it's not even 1 month old. |
| 03:23.06 | blahdeblah | Does Debian have a repository for newer kernels, a-la SUSE's "Kernel of the Day"? |
| 03:23.17 | Wyzard | Malf: Or that, but the default xinitrc just runs the default Xsession, which has a bunch of other infrastructure that you probably don't want to override (such as auto-starting things like ssh-agent if they're installed) |
| 03:23.26 | Supaplex | blahdeblah: what's wrong with kp? |
| 03:24.02 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: newer kernels get uploaded to unstable; if you want even newer ones, build them using make-kpkg |
| 03:24.02 | Malf | Wyzard: Yeah, hence mentioning it as being "carefully placed" |
| 03:24.48 | Wyzard | fantomas: Are you talking about raw values or mapped values? |
| 03:25.06 | squisher | I have two gigabit computers talking to each other over a gigabit switch. Now if I repeatedly wget the same relatively small file (25MB), I still only get a throughput of 11MB/s max... why could that be? |
| 03:25.18 | blahdeblah | Supaplex: just asking :-) I would prefer just to point to an appropriate repository and get kernel updates that way. |
| 03:25.18 | fantomas | Wyzard: raw |
| 03:25.18 | Supaplex | humm I wonder how I can give raw access to this dvdrw drive to another box on the network. |
| 03:25.21 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
| 03:25.49 | Supaplex | blahdeblah: wet your noodle, /msg dpkg kp |
| 03:25.56 | Supaplex | =) |
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| 03:26.15 | blahdeblah | Supaplex: :-) Yeah - know about that already |
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| 03:26.24 | Wyzard | fantomas: All three of my new drives have zero for their raw value there |
| 03:26.31 | squisher | ethtool tells me both are in gigabit mode... what throughput can I expect with http over gigabit? |
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| 03:26.53 | Wyzard | Supaplex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISCSI |
| 03:27.05 | RhastaW | squisher, what cable are you using |
| 03:27.26 | squisher | RhastaW: hmmm, cat5 I think. |
| 03:27.33 | Guerin | !think |
| 03:27.33 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 03:27.40 | RhastaW | that is your problem then |
| 03:27.49 | Supaplex | lol |
| 03:27.50 | Wyzard | squisher: You may be limited by the transfer rate of the hard drives themselves |
| 03:27.50 | fantomas | Wyzard: which argues for 'more is worst' while my case witness for opposite point ) |
| 03:27.50 | squisher | RhastaW: I was pretty sure cat5 can do gigabit |
| 03:27.53 | RhastaW | you need Cat5E or Cat6 i believe |
| 03:28.05 | squisher | Wyzard: a small file with repeated downloads should get cached |
| 03:28.24 | enouf | Wyzard: wes_ interesting man Xsession.options |
| 03:28.35 | squisher | RhastaW: Then I should be seeing a lot of TX/RX errors... let me check |
| 03:28.37 | tictac | RhastaW: you are correct. 5e and 6. |
| 03:28.54 | enouf | !tell wes_ -about root |
| 03:29.00 | Wyzard | fantomas: Generally, yes, but I think vendors are free to do whatever they want with the raw values, and it's only the mapped value that you can really expect to have any particular meaning |
| 03:29.38 | squisher | RhastaW, tictac: ifconfig tells me I have 0 errors on those interfaces |
| 03:29.40 | Wyzard | RhastaW, squisher: cat5E is physically identical to cat5, just certified for gigabit... cable that calls itself cat5 can very well be sufficient for gigabit too, just not guaranteed to be |
| 03:30.13 | abrotman | especially for shorter distances |
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| 03:31.57 | squisher | one cable is cat5e, the other just cat5 |
| 03:32.10 | CompWizrd | cat5's supposed to be good for 25M at gigabit, compared to 100M for cat5e.. think it's 15M for cat5e at 10gbit.. assuming of course it was actually put together properly |
| 03:32.11 | squisher | But shouldn't I be seeing a lot of errors if the cable is not sufficient? |
| 03:32.35 | fantomas | Wyzard: yep. Anyway, having 2 identical hdds in RAID with ~12000 and ~200 messages in their error logs is an alert :) Its time to sell these drives :) |
| 03:32.37 | RhastaW | dont think so? |
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| 03:32.50 | squisher | RhastaW: hmm, why not? |
| 03:33.03 | Wyzard | squisher: If ethtool says they negotiated gigabit and you're not seeing lots of errors, I don't think your Ethernet is the problem |
| 03:33.05 | belkin | does Postfix and Postfixadmin mysql database needs to be same isnt it ? |
| 03:33.10 | tictac | squisher: try and transfer a bigger file... see what the throughput is |
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| 03:33.21 | Wyzard | squisher: though maybe your switch just sucks... try connecting the two computers together directly with the cat5e cable |
| 03:33.21 | abrotman | belkin: that doesn't make sense |
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| 03:33.43 | squisher | tictac: problem is I'm also having harddrive throughput issues on one of the machines.... so that might not be the best test |
| 03:33.52 | Wyzard | squisher: and power-cycle the switch -- I've seen a case where the switch was just confused |
| 03:33.54 | tictac | hmm. enable dma. |
| 03:34.05 | squisher | Wyzard: hmm, might be - a home Netgear switch, not too expensive, but not the cheapest one either |
| 03:34.09 | belkin | abrotman no ?, hows postfixadmin colect the data with users then ? |
| 03:34.14 | tictac | netgear is junk. |
| 03:34.32 | Wyzard | tictac: If you want a raw throughput test, use /dev/null as your source and sink so you're not constrained by the disk I/O |
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| 03:35.01 | squisher | tictac: you think? What would you recommend for a reasonable price (just my home network) |
| 03:35.25 | CompWizrd | might wanna look at testing the connection with iperf |
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| 03:35.32 | Wyzard | tictac: I have an 8-port Netgear switch and I've noticed the same problem while transferring files from my old computer to a new one, but at a friend's place with another switch of the same model, I've gotten much faster speeds |
| 03:35.37 | tictac | squisher: reasonable price? umm. *shrugs* |
| 03:35.59 | abrotman | right .. that's the problem |
| 03:36.00 | squisher | tictac: *grin* Exactly that's the problem |
| 03:36.25 | squisher | Wyzard: so you too think the netgear switches suck? |
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| 03:36.26 | Wyzard | tictac: My friend's switch is the one that was confused and had to be power-cycled before it'd work right, though... prior to that it kept negotiating 100, or repeatedly renegotiating as if I was unplugging the cable |
| 03:36.34 | fantomas | Supaplex, Wyzard, talisein -- thank you |
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| 03:36.59 | Wyzard | squisher: no, I've seen good throughput through an 8-port Netgear gigabit switch |
| 03:37.03 | tictac | Wyzard: there you have it. netgear is junk. :P |
| 03:37.22 | abrotman | it's fucking commodity hardware .. just like dlink and linksys |
| 03:37.33 | tictac | although, i have seen really shitty linksys switches too. |
| 03:37.34 | abrotman | PC hardware sucks too .. get over it |
| 03:37.37 | squisher | Wyzard: so how did you say I could just test raw throughput? How do I just send junk data over the network? |
| 03:37.48 | CompWizrd | who is the OEM for dell's powerconnect 2724's? i've gotten 900mbit through those via rsync before |
| 03:37.53 | CompWizrd | squisher: try iperf |
| 03:37.55 | CompWizrd | it's even a debian package |
| 03:37.59 | squisher | ok, thanks |
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| 03:38.18 | Wyzard | squisher: Use netcat |
| 03:38.30 | Wyzard | squisher: On host1: "nc -l -p 11235 < /dev/null" |
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| 03:38.39 | Wyzard | squisher: On host2: "nc host1 11235 > /dev/null" |
| 03:38.50 | Wyzard | squisher: Use a tool like bwm (or bwm-ng) to see the throughput |
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| 03:39.59 | Wyzard | squisher: Oops, make that /dev/zero on the input end, not /dev/null |
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| 03:40.28 | squisher | Wyzard: let me try that (after opening a port in the fw...) |
| 03:41.12 | Wyzard | squisher: Any port will do... I just use 11235 out of habit :-) |
| 03:41.27 | Wyzard | (I use tar and netcat for bulk transfers between machines on my LAN) |
| 03:41.33 | squisher | Wyzard: yeah, but I don't have any unused ones open, you know... |
| 03:41.41 | Wyzard | fair enough |
| 03:42.34 | Wyzard | I'm running that test right now between my laptop and my desktop, btw, and it says it's transferring 120MB/sec |
| 03:42.38 | Wyzard | through my Netgear switch |
| 03:42.51 | squisher | mine says 11500KB/s |
| 03:43.04 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 03:43.28 | Wyzard | Power-cycle the switch and see if that helps |
| 03:43.51 | squisher | aha! |
| 03:43.52 | Wyzard | and/or just connect the two machines together directly -- all gigabit cards can deal with crossover issues |
| 03:44.09 | squisher | One side switched to 100MB/s auto-negotiation (it was 1000MB before, I'm sure...) |
| 03:44.31 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:44.34 | Wyzard | the cat5 side? |
| 03:44.34 | squisher | yeah, let my try cross-over |
| 03:44.37 | squisher | yup |
| 03:45.34 | CompWizrd | check that cat5 cable.. does it have all 8 wires? :) |
| 03:45.42 | CompWizrd | i've seen more than a few cat5 cables with just 4 wires |
| 03:45.44 | Wyzard | ooh, that's a good point |
| 03:45.48 | stoned | hi |
| 03:45.51 | CompWizrd | which follows the spec, but won't work on gigabit, as that needs all 8 |
| 03:45.57 | stoned | streuner: poptart |
| 03:46.05 | Wyzard | 10mbit and 100mbit ethernet only actually use the orange and green pairs, but gigabit uses all of them |
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| 03:46.31 | squisher | true, I'll check that. The cat5e cable using it as crossover brings me up to 20MB/s... |
| 03:46.41 | Wyzard | still shouldn't be that slow |
| 03:46.45 | abrotman | driver buffer iessue ? |
| 03:46.45 | squisher | I did have to re-crimp one end though, b/c the cable was damaged |
| 03:46.45 | Wyzard | unless one of the computers is just slow |
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| 03:47.07 | Wyzard | Check the interfaces' error counts again |
| 03:47.10 | squisher | One of the computers is an Via Epia 1GHz |
| 03:47.18 | CompWizrd | oh. |
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| 03:47.23 | CompWizrd | your'e a bit cpu limited there, i'd think? |
| 03:47.31 | RhastaW | heh |
| 03:47.33 | CompWizrd | that, and i'm suspicious of self terminated cables :) |
| 03:47.38 | squisher | no errors though |
| 03:47.54 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: My cables are all self-made and I was just doing 120MB/sec through them |
| 03:47.57 | CompWizrd | did you at least swap wires 3 and 5 like you're supposed to on both ends? |
| 03:48.01 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: you might be doing them right :) |
| 03:48.04 | squisher | of course |
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| 03:48.17 | wgb | !tell wgb about alsa |
| 03:48.27 | abrotman | !tell wgb about selftell |
| 03:48.28 | Wyzard | If they were wired wrong they wouldn't work at all, would they? |
| 03:48.29 | squisher | let me remove all load from the epia |
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| 03:48.41 | Wyzard | or if only the blue and brown pairs were wired wrong, it wouldn't negotiate gigabit |
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| 03:48.58 | CompWizrd | if you didn't swap the pairs over, you'd get a lot of crosstalk/etc, and it'd work slowly |
| 03:49.08 | CompWizrd | learned that one the hard many many years ago |
| 03:49.12 | CompWizrd | hard way |
| 03:49.24 | squisher | Nah, but I did that, I'm sure of it. |
| 03:49.39 | squisher | Plus I only crimped one end, and then ran it through a really simple tester - which said it was fine |
| 03:49.42 | squisher | so my wiring is ok |
| 03:49.53 | Wyzard | What sort of tester? |
| 03:50.01 | squisher | with no load I still only get ~20MB/s, but it is 99% cpu load apparently |
| 03:50.09 | Wyzard | ah, OK, so you're CPU-limited after all |
| 03:50.19 | squisher | A crappy one, that only tests if the wires are paired up correctly |
| 03:50.23 | squisher | It seems |
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| 03:50.27 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:50.33 | CompWizrd | yeah, via isn't exactly a powerhorse.. designed for low power, and that's about it |
| 03:50.48 | squisher | But they make such nice and small servers! |
| 03:50.51 | squisher | Sigh |
| 03:50.52 | wgb | I did not get alsaconf from alsa-base or alsa-utils |
| 03:50.56 | Guerin | a 1GHZ chip should manage more than 20MB i/o |
| 03:50.57 | Wyzard | I have a little loopback tester that just bridges two pairs of pins together so the computer at the other end receives its own link beat back along the wire |
| 03:51.01 | wgb | and I cannot apt get it |
| 03:51.01 | CompWizrd | yeah, i was looking at using one for a dumb terminal |
| 03:51.01 | Guerin | even over a bad nic and ide |
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| 03:51.13 | Wyzard | Guerin: Not if it's a VIA processor |
| 03:51.17 | Guerin | i used to run that much into a p2-233 with a laptop hard disk |
| 03:51.58 | squisher | Guerin: I'd think so too, it's not that old of a CPU |
| 03:52.16 | Guerin | mm |
| 03:52.24 | Guerin | unless you mean 20m bytes/sec |
| 03:52.27 | Guerin | not 20 megabit |
| 03:52.37 | squisher | I mean 20 megabytes per sec |
| 03:52.41 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 03:52.49 | CompWizrd | 20mbyte isn't that horrible for the via |
| 03:52.49 | Guerin | that strikes me as reasonable, then |
| 03:53.05 | squisher | I really would not have thought that that was the bottleneck |
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| 03:53.12 | CompWizrd | i wonder if it can even hit 1gbit on localhost :) |
| 03:53.24 | squisher | good idea, let me try |
| 03:53.59 | belkin | abrotman postfix and postfix admin are using the same database also courier-imap |
| 03:54.15 | Guerin | squisher: cpu was always the bottleneck for me when running a bittorrent hub on my p3-700 |
| 03:54.36 | CompWizrd | i tested iperf on localhost last year, was doing 2.5gbit on a p4/3.2, and 5.7 gbit on a dual opteron 265 |
| 03:54.42 | squisher | Guerin: well, I'm usually running bt also on that poor machine, and it is working reasonably well - just not the LAN filetransfers |
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| 03:55.07 | Wyzard | squisher: might be faster to just take the hard drive out of the VIA box and connect it to the other box temporarily |
| 03:55.14 | Guerin | squisher: on 100MBit internet, while serving hundreds of files totalling about 30G :) |
| 03:55.39 | Guerin | about 100G per day, on average. |
| 03:55.45 | squisher | Guerin: nice :-) |
| 03:55.57 | squisher | yeah, on localhost I get 30MB/s, that's it |
| 03:56.22 | CompWizrd | sounds like cpu for sure then.. that's probably a decent network stack if it only goes from 30 to 20mbyte |
| 03:56.24 | squisher | Anyone interested in buying a VIA Epia? ;-) |
| 03:56.37 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 03:56.38 | CompWizrd | at least you didn't get one of the 600mhz models |
| 03:56.40 | squisher | Yes, I agree, that difference seems reasonable |
| 03:56.41 | Wyzard | depends on how much it costs |
| 03:56.47 | CompWizrd | was looking into one, but it couldn't boot off the onboard CF slot |
| 03:57.02 | squisher | Wyzard: it's a nice one with two 100Mbit onboard nics |
| 03:57.29 | Wyzard | I've been thinking about getting one to replace my WRT54GL as my primary Internet router, but my main reason to do so would be for IPv6 and OpenVPN support, which aren't really essential |
| 03:57.53 | Wyzard | and Debian's stock kernels still don't include the modules needed for stateful IPv6 firewalling, for some reason |
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| 03:58.06 | CompWizrd | actually, what kernel is running on this epia? |
| 03:58.16 | squisher | A self-compiled one |
| 03:58.30 | CompWizrd | 2.6.something? |
| 03:58.33 | squisher | of course I targetted it for the C3 cpu... that's the first thing I tried |
| 03:58.41 | squisher | 2.6.17.8 |
| 03:58.43 | CompWizrd | ok |
| 03:59.06 | Wyzard | hmm, that's a good point -- I wouldn't want to use a stock kernel on a C3 anyway |
| 03:59.21 | squisher | but that must then also explain the really low I/O rates I get... I guess it's really not a good choice for a fileserver |
| 03:59.47 | Wyzard | though even with a custom kernel with nf_conntrack for stateful IPv6, I still don't know of any decent firewall packages that support IPv6... grr |
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| 04:00.08 | squisher | Wyzard: what are you looking for in a firewall? |
| 04:00.09 | CompWizrd | i've got a cp -a that's been going for about two days now, using 260 meg of memory.. glad i'm ont doing it on your server :) |
| 04:00.12 | CompWizrd | it's going to take another week at this rate |
| 04:00.41 | squisher | I really like shorewall, I haven't used it with ipv6, but I'd imagine it is supported. Shorewall is pretty low-level though |
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| 04:00.48 | Wyzard | squisher: Just basic NAT and port forwarding for a home network, but I'd like to have IPv6 support (via 6to4) |
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| 04:01.32 | Wyzard | squisher: Shorewall supports stateless IPv6 firewalling, but not stateful |
| 04:01.44 | squisher | http://www.shorewall.net/6to4.htm |
| 04:02.00 | Wyzard | since with 6to4 I'd be giving all my internal machines globally-unique IP addresses that people |
| 04:02.12 | Wyzard | "outside" can connect directly to, I don't want to do that without a *stateful* firewall |
| 04:02.16 | Wyzard | seems too risky otherwise |
| 04:02.26 | squisher | makes sense, yeah |
| 04:02.36 | squisher | Well, shorewall is a frontend to iptables, that's about it |
| 04:02.48 | Guerin | eew, shorewall |
| 04:02.54 | Wyzard | All Linux firewall packages are frontends to iptables |
| 04:03.01 | Wyzard | I prefer FireHOL, but that doesn't support IPv6 either |
| 04:03.21 | Wyzard | and IPv6 isn't important enough on my home LAN to be worth the effort of rolling my own custom firewall script |
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| 04:03.21 | squisher | Wyzard: true. |
| 04:03.28 | Guerin | Wyzard: do you need ipv6 capable DNS service for that? |
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| 04:03.36 | squisher | Guerin: what do you have against shorewall? |
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| 04:03.53 | Wyzard | so I'm sticking with my IPv4-only WRT54GL as router for now :-) |
| 04:03.57 | Guerin | squisher: it's horrible to configure, and like all firewall `simplifiers' it does unpredictable things |
| 04:04.04 | Wyzard | Guerin: probably |
| 04:04.12 | Guerin | i'll keep my iptables.sh, thanks |
| 04:04.17 | Wyzard | Guerin: well, inasmuch as DNS is actually "necessary" at all |
| 04:04.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:04.35 | squisher | Guerin: it's easy to configure, the author is really active, fixes problems quickly and does the best support I've ever seen for a linux proggy |
| 04:04.58 | Guerin | squisher: i found it a dog. |
| 04:05.08 | Wyzard | squisher: I prefer FireHOL because its config files are far more straightforward and succinct |
| 04:05.37 | squisher | Guerin: well, that's not enough detail to respond :-). Might be preference, but I'm very happy with it |
| 04:05.51 | squisher | Wyzard: I haven't tried that one yet |
| 04:06.00 | Guerin | yeah, i'm not really into having an argument about it |
| 04:06.15 | squisher | Guerin: ok with me... |
| 04:06.23 | Guerin | all I know is that I installed it, tried to set up a simple NAT with a few holes, and it did stupid shit |
| 04:06.40 | Guerin | so I uninstalled it and tried firehol, same sort of problems |
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| 04:07.06 | Guerin | so I got an iptables.sh off the interwebs and learnt the syntax in 15 minutes :) |
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| 04:07.44 | squisher | Guerin: I found it to be a good level of abstraction, and have not had it do stupid stuff, unless I mistakenly told it to do stupid stuff ;-). But yeah, enough of that |
| 04:07.57 | Wyzard | squisher: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5212 |
| 04:08.09 | squisher | I had bought a VIA Epia to save some electricity because I have it on 24h, I guess that's going to go bye-bye now... |
| 04:08.12 | jimd | After installing the cupsys package I'm trying to add an printer via the http://localhost:631/admin interface ... and it's asking for a username and password. I've tried root and my own (which are known to be correct) and it's not working. What do I do? |
| 04:08.14 | Wyzard | squisher: Even though you've never read any FireHOL docs, I'll bet you can understand what most of that means |
| 04:09.19 | jimd | cupsys version 1.2.7-2 (stock Debian apt-get installation) |
| 04:09.20 | Wyzard | squisher: I like the maintainability of being able to just list what services I want, rather than having to manage a bunch of tables spread across several files |
| 04:09.30 | squisher | Wyzard: does look pretty simple, yeah. |
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| 04:10.02 | squisher | Wyzard: true, but I don't find it to be very cumbersome. And shorewall has excellent docs inside the files, readily available |
| 04:10.10 | archpollux | i'm trying to use the evdev driver for a keyboard with Xorg and in KDE when i press the up arrow it starts ksnapshot |
| 04:10.18 | belkin | its Disk Swap ever going to be used ? or i waste 2Gb for nothing ? :) |
| 04:10.29 | benignbala | hello all, Can anyone tell when etch stable will be released? |
| 04:10.56 | Wyzard | squisher: I used shorewall on another home router a few years ago... switched to firehol, but I wouldn't mind switching back to shorewall (on the LAN router, not on the individual PCs) if it could do stateful IPv6 :-) |
| 04:11.05 | cat_ | blah my freaking internet is going freaking slow |
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| 04:11.22 | abrotman | benignbala: when it's done ... |
| 04:11.25 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 04:11.25 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 04:11.29 | Malf | typically it wants a root login for cups admin, or an account with permissions for certain groups which I don't remember off the top of my head |
| 04:11.40 | Malf | but if your root login failed as well then I'm not too sure what's up |
| 04:11.43 | squisher | Wyzard: I see. Hmm, maybe I'll ask on the mailing-list sometimes. That 6to4 tunnel sounded interesting that you mentioned |
| 04:12.16 | benignbala | dpkg: thanks. i will check it out. |
| 04:12.17 | dpkg | bitte, benignbala |
| 04:12.24 | archpollux | i.e. my keys are not mapped correctly, did anyone encounter this problem before? |
| 04:12.34 | Wyzard | squisher: yeah... I think NAT is an ugly hack and I'd love to have a way to be able to address my individual machines directly while I'm away from home... though as Guerin pointed out, I'd still need IPv6 DNS |
| 04:13.01 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 04:13.01 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 04:13.18 | jimd | !cupsyss |
| 04:13.18 | squisher | Wyzard: but that should not be very hard to setup, I'd say. If you have your own domain, you could just run it on your own server |
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| 04:13.32 | abrotman | !cups |
| 04:13.32 | dpkg | i guess cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999., or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see cups-unstable, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see cups setup |
| 04:13.58 | jimd | !cups setup |
| 04:13.58 | dpkg | i heard cups setup is Install cupsys, cupsys-bsd, cupsomatic-ppd and foomatic-db. Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy!, or or you can try printconf |
| 04:14.29 | wgb | erm, Wyzard I have read the dpkg message, but mind helping me get alsa working? |
| 04:14.37 | Wyzard | squisher: Well, the tricky part is that the IPv4 address is part of the 6to4 IPv6 address, and the IPv4 address is dynamic since I'm on residential broadband, which means all my IPv6 addresses can spontaneously change |
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| 04:15.13 | squisher | Wyzard: Oh, i see. That sucks |
| 04:15.22 | squisher | Wyzard: would be the same for me, unfortunately... |
| 04:15.31 | Wyzard | wgb: Load the driver for your sound card, then run alsamixer and unmute everything |
| 04:16.42 | Wyzard | squisher: DHCPv6 provides a way for the server to tell clients "your lease is hereby terminated, you must renew now" so I could probably propagate the change to the machines on the LAN |
| 04:16.45 | wgb | Wyzard, I found what my card is through lspci but how do I translate that to a driver |
| 04:16.59 | Wyzard | squisher: but I'd need a way to get the DNS to update itself accordingly |
| 04:17.00 | wgb | i.e 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 04:17.15 | wgb | that is my card, but how do I figure out what driver is for that? |
| 04:17.41 | Wyzard | wgb: The driver for that is "snd-hda-intel" -- I know this because I have one of those too -- but if you have udev installed, that should be loading the driver for you automatically |
| 04:17.52 | squisher | Wyzard: Hmm, no idea if any of the dyndns packages support that... but definitely should be possible, since bind has dyn-dns support |
| 04:17.53 | Wyzard | wgb: /sbin/lsmod | grep hda |
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| 04:18.37 | Wyzard | squisher: I have a domain and I could create a subdomain that's served by my router, so it'd just be a matter of reconfiguring a local instance of bind, I guess |
| 04:18.52 | wgb | Wyzard, snd_hda_intel ? underscores or dashes |
| 04:18.56 | wgb | lspci shows underscores |
| 04:18.57 | Wyzard | squisher: I don't know if dyndns supports IPv6 at all |
| 04:19.05 | Wyzard | wgb: Either works |
| 04:19.28 | squisher | Wyzard: No idea either... I've always wanted to try ipv6 out, but since I can't take any advantage of it w/ my internet running over v4, I never did... |
| 04:19.45 | squisher | Wyzard: but now that you mentioned that 6to4, it might be worth the effort |
| 04:19.52 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps is it possible to crack/recover public keys so i can decrypt some files? there is no way i got the .pubs or private keys |
| 04:20.13 | Wyzard | bbelt16ag: Sure, just run a brute-force cracker and wait a few trillion years |
| 04:20.27 | bbelt16ag | heh |
| 04:20.38 | bbelt16ag | i guess it would be easier to download the damn file eh? |
| 04:20.42 | bbelt16ag | oh well |
| 04:20.44 | wgb | Wyzard, I tried to get fancy and did echo snd-hda-intel > /etc/modules but I overwrote it haha, I remember one of the drivers was nvidia, but there were two more, do you know what they may have been? |
| 04:20.51 | wgb | was loopback one? or did I make that up |
| 04:21.06 | Wyzard | wgb: no, I don't know what they may have been, sorry |
| 04:21.23 | wgb | ok no worries |
| 04:21.27 | bbelt16ag | Wyzard: so i would be waiting forever evenif i know the passphrase |
| 04:21.42 | wgb | Wyzard, so after loading that driver, is there anything I should need to do? |
| 04:21.43 | Wyzard | wgb: but if lsmod shows snd_hda_intel, that means the module is already loaded, which means udev loaded it automatically |
| 04:21.52 | Wyzard | wgb: so you don't need to put it in /etc/modules anyway |
| 04:21.58 | wgb | oh ok |
| 04:22.12 | Wyzard | wgb: Just run alsamixer and unmute the channels and turn them up -- they default to zeroed and muted |
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| 04:22.47 | Wyzard | bbelt16ag: If you lost the private key then you're stuck |
| 04:23.09 | bbelt16ag | what would one be called the extension for the windows app pgp? like back in the day? |
| 04:23.13 | bbelt16ag | .pri? |
| 04:23.15 | Wyzard | bbelt16ag: The passphrase isn't what the file is encrypted with, it's what the private key is encrypted with, as a safeguard against someone stealing the keyfile |
| 04:23.16 | bbelt16ag | .key |
| 04:23.24 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 04:23.25 | wgb | Wyzard, should it just be 'alsamixer' ? I have the package but it says invalid argument |
| 04:23.35 | Wyzard | bbelt16ag: IIRC, Windows PGP called them "pubring.pkr" and "secring.skr" |
| 04:23.53 | Wyzard | It may vary with different versions though |
| 04:24.02 | bbelt16ag | k |
| 04:24.04 | squisher | Wyzard, Guerin, CompWizrd and everyone else that helped me out: thanks a bunch, you helped me solve a long-ongoing mystery :-) |
| 04:24.15 | bbelt16ag | will check my database for it |
| 04:24.17 | Wyzard | squisher: glad to help |
| 04:24.34 | Wyzard | wgb: alsamixer is in the "alsa-utils" package |
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| 04:24.43 | wgb | Wyzard, I know, I have it installed. |
| 04:24.53 | Wyzard | then you should be able to run alsamixer |
| 04:24.57 | wgb | Wyzard, but when I run alsamixer it says invalid arguement |
| 04:24.59 | CompWizrd | how long is long-ongoing? :) |
| 04:25.17 | squisher | CompWizrd: Hmm, 6 month at least? |
| 04:25.18 | Wyzard | unless maybe your user doesn't have permission to do sound stuff... run "groups" and see if you see "audio" in there |
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| 04:25.39 | wgb | nope |
| 04:26.03 | Wyzard | OK, then you need to add yourself to the audio group... supposing your login name is "wgb" like your IRC nick, you'd do "adduser wgb audio" as root |
| 04:26.05 | Wyzard | then log out and back in |
| 04:26.22 | Wyzard | then alsamixer should work |
| 04:26.24 | squisher | CompWizrd: I knew the CPU was not really enough to also run Bittorrent on the same machine, but it all worked out except that I had very slow I/O, so I didn't really consider the CPU to be the reason afterall |
| 04:27.37 | marvil07 | hi , anyone knows where to find video driver for Intel D945GNT mother board? (I'm using vesa and it works, but someone said me I'm not using very well my integrated video card) |
| 04:27.51 | jimd | Apparently printconf is only for print locally connected (USB or parport) printers. |
| 04:27.56 | wgb | Wyzard, alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 04:28.06 | marvil07 | hi , anyone knows where to find video driver for Intel D945GNT mother board? |
| 04:28.09 | marvil07 | (I'm using vesa and it works, but someone said me I'm not using very well my integrated video card) |
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| 04:28.25 | jimd | I'm trying to add a network printer (IPP protocol) to my cupsys env via the http://localhost/631 mechanism |
| 04:29.03 | Wyzard | wgb: dunno about that, sorry |
| 04:29.18 | hark | marvil07: if it works, why change? If it's intel try the i810 driver |
| 04:29.45 | Wyzard | marvil07: looks like that board uses the GMA950 GPU |
| 04:30.12 | marvil07 | hark, that was my 1st try, and it was not work |
| 04:30.13 | hark | marvil07: lspci |grep VGA |
| 04:30.17 | Wyzard | marvil07: The i810 driver is used for GPUs i810 through i915, and *might* support the 950, but I believe the 950 has its own separate driver |
| 04:30.45 | Wyzard | marvil07: I remember seeing an article on Digg or Slashdot a few months ago saying that the 950 driver had been released |
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| 04:31.10 | Wyzard | marvil07: but I don't know whether Debian yet has a version of xorg which includes that driver -- we're in a freeze right now |
| 04:31.44 | hark | it supports upto i945, iirc |
| 04:31.56 | Wyzard | hark: i810 does? |
| 04:32.50 | hark | !info xserver-xorg-video-i810 sid |
| 04:32.57 | Wyzard | According to http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_950 the 950 might just need a newer version of the i810 driver |
| 04:33.04 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-i810: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:1.7.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 157 kB, Installed size: 416 kB |
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| 04:33.29 | Wyzard | so try xserver-xorg-video-i810 and see if it works, and if it doesn't, either use vesa for now, or download the updated driver from Intel and compile it yourself |
| 04:34.16 | marvil07 | Wyzard, my VGA is Intel Corporation 945G/GZ, but I'll search on slashdot and the unstable version, then I'll came back |
| 04:34.34 | Wyzard | marvil07: 945 is the chipset... 950 is the GPU it contains |
| 04:35.01 | Wyzard | marvil07: (Take a look at http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_950 and see where it says "Integrated into the following chipsets: Intel 945GM") |
| 04:36.11 | marvil07 | Wyzard, ok |
| 04:36.19 | Wyzard | http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/d945gnt/index.htm says your GPU is the 950, too |
| 04:37.13 | Wyzard | (and I considered buying that board for my new system a few months ago, until I realized it only has VGA output, not DVI) |
| 04:37.53 | enouf | !tell marvil07 -about which driver |
| 04:38.46 | enouf | marvil07: please go there, test (enter your lspci -n output) and see if it yields the expected results... if not, then please send an update to the site |
| 04:39.13 | enouf | er, once you get yours working correctly ofcourse :-) |
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| 04:41.36 | Wyzard | enouf: interesting... that site tells me that my "Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge" is supported by the "hw_random" and "i810_rng" modules, and although I've seen those names before, those modules don't seem to exist on this system |
| 04:41.37 | Bogus8 | does apt have a log of what has been installed? |
| 04:42.22 | Wyzard | Bogus8: aptitude does... dunno about apt-get |
| 04:42.24 | enouf | Wyzard: hrm .. which kernel? |
| 04:42.42 | Wyzard | enouf: 2.6.18 |
| 04:42.45 | enouf | Bogus8: dokf -l |
| 04:42.51 | enouf | erm dpkf -l |
| 04:42.54 | enouf | bahw;okughf;kludsf |
| 04:43.05 | Bogus8 | enouf: thanks |
| 04:43.31 | enouf | Bogus8: dpkg -l | grep ii will show all installed (or most) |
| 04:43.42 | enouf | Wyzard: wow .. hrm |
| 04:44.01 | Bogus8 | enouf: sweet |
| 04:44.09 | enouf | Wyzard: they may be for older kernels .. lemmee grep my older modules here |
| 04:44.19 | Wyzard | enouf: turns out "hw_random" is the name of a *directory* in the modules tree, and it contains no i810-rng.ko, but it does contain an intel-rng.ko |
| 04:44.25 | Wyzard | enouf: though that module fails to load |
| 04:44.42 | soobnauce | sorry stupid question: im using easy editor to edit some text files... what keys do i have to hit to save the file and get back to terminal? |
| 04:45.11 | enouf | Wyzard: modprobe -l | grep hw_random |
| 04:45.14 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko |
| 04:46.33 | enouf | Wyzard: also |
| 04:46.34 | enouf | grep -r hw_random /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/* |
| 04:46.34 | enouf | Binary file /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random.ko matches |
| 04:46.54 | enouf | so .. that's a Sarge kernel and a 2.6.16 which I run now |
| 04:48.08 | Wyzard | enouf: /lib/modules-2.6.18-3-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/hw_random is a directory which contains {amd,geode,intel}-rng.ko |
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| 04:48.41 | Wyzard | I guess they refactored the hw_random drivers a bit |
| 04:48.42 | soobnauce | wow im dumb, nvm on my question |
| 04:48.50 | drako | where I put a module to be loaded in every boot? |
| 04:49.12 | Wyzard | drako: /etc/modules, but it often isn't necessary because udev automatically loads drivers for your hardware |
| 04:49.13 | enouf | Bogus8: if you want a real complete list using dpkg (apt is the front end to her) , then .. /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 04:49.33 | Bogus8 | enouf: will do |
| 04:49.56 | enouf | Bogus8: glean from that what uyou can after reviewing rthe relevant manpages :-) |
| 04:50.11 | enouf | !typosmite me |
| 04:50.33 | Bogus8 | enouf: yeah I looked at apt's pages but was looking for something like a log file so that is why I wasn't finding it |
| 04:50.42 | Bogus8 | enouf: what about on a fedora box that used apt? |
| 04:51.06 | enouf | Bogus8: I "think" that uses yum or rpm -q to query |
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| 04:51.11 | Wyzard | Bogus8: I believe apt-rpm is no longer maintained, and yum is preferred on Fedora boxes |
| 04:51.27 | enouf | Bogus8: oh .. dunno .. an apt-get based fedora? .. wtf? |
| 04:51.48 | Bogus8 | enouf: yeah, I have an FC3 box I'm working on decommisioning and was trying some experiments on it first |
| 04:52.04 | enouf | !offtopicsmite Bogus8 |
| 04:52.09 | enouf | heh |
| 04:52.12 | concept10 | stoned, you around? |
| 04:52.12 | Bogus8 | Wyzard: yeah, I was refferent to an fc3 box |
| 04:52.15 | Bogus8 | enouf: :p |
| 04:53.24 | drako | Wyzard, is for ndiswrapper |
| 04:53.44 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:53.45 | enouf | Bogus8: dpkg is very low-level and powerful, get to knowher well :-) /msg dpkg reference {apt howto} .. but also familiarize yourself with aptitude .. install aptitude-doc-en {en-doc?} |
| 04:54.10 | Bogus8 | enouf: :( I like CLI |
| 04:54.21 | enouf | Bogus8: aptitude is CLI |
| 04:54.27 | enouf | :-p |
| 04:54.37 | enouf | Bogus8: but i use dpkg/apt |
| 04:54.49 | Bogus8 | enouf: I thought that was the front end... oh wait thtat's synaptic right? |
| 04:55.03 | enouf | Bogus8: you cn use aptitude as CLI or ncurses (whatever it's called0 |
| 04:55.10 | hark | !confuse Bogus8 |
| 04:55.11 | dpkg | No, those is our bacon yesterday, Bogus8? trousers of the republic of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 04:55.13 | Bogus8 | ah |
| 04:55.21 | enouf | Bogus8: yeah .. forget synaptic (IMHO) |
| 04:55.24 | Bogus8 | mmmmm, cheese |
| 04:55.47 | Bogus8 | I'm with ya... especially the cheese part |
| 04:55.56 | enouf | !cheesesteak hark |
| 04:55.59 | hark | !fishsmite enouf |
| 04:56.07 | enouf | puny :-p |
| 04:56.29 | hark | ~mhallsmite enouf |
| 04:56.41 | apt | Fuck enouf. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
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| 04:57.11 | hark | woah, that has changed! |
| 04:57.19 | enouf | yeah .. sure .. |
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| 04:57.50 | hark | !comfort enouf |
| 04:57.51 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:58.08 | enouf | !botslap hark |
| 04:58.10 | dondelelcaro | stop with the bot abuse, please. |
| 04:59.40 | enouf | oh yeah .. it's botabuse, not botslap .. my bad (tried once too many) |
| 04:59.48 | squisher | Does anyone here know anything about an AMD socket 740? I can find some CPUs for it, but no motherboards anywhere... |
| 05:00.09 | enouf | squisher: sure but it's s754 |
| 05:00.20 | enouf | squisher: and s939 |
| 05:00.39 | squisher | enouf: nope, 740... or newegg has a listing error: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819105082 |
| 05:00.39 | hark | try #hardware |
| 05:00.50 | squisher | thanks, hark, will do |
| 05:00.59 | enouf | squisher: listing error |
| 05:01.05 | enouf | squisher: http://fab51.com/cpu/guide/opn-64-e.html |
| 05:01.16 | enouf | squisher: AND a 940 |
| 05:02.09 | enouf | squisher: AMD makes (recently) the s754, s939, s940, newer are gonna be Socket F (1407? pins) |
| 05:02.18 | Wyzard | squisher: That page says socket 940, not 740 |
| 05:02.31 | enouf | heh |
| 05:02.39 | Wyzard | 940 is Socket AM2, I believe |
| 05:02.44 | squisher | enouf, Wyzard: yeah, sorry 940 of course |
| 05:02.48 | enouf | Via must've fogged his eyes |
| 05:02.48 | CompWizrd | 940 is older opterons |
| 05:02.54 | Wyzard | oh |
| 05:02.55 | squisher | enouf: and 940 is listed on the fab51 page... |
| 05:03.05 | enouf | not necessarily .. AM2 is s940 IIRC |
| 05:03.16 | squisher | CompWizrd: that's what I thought, but how come you can't find any links to motherboards for it anywhere? |
| 05:03.33 | litage_ | i have a sarge box with network access but without internet access. how can i determine which packages on it have security updates available? |
| 05:03.34 | Wyzard | squisher: You're replacing your VIA box with an Opteron? |
| 05:03.34 | enouf | squisher: what? google google is loaded |
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| 05:03.51 | CompWizrd | ah, both opteron and am2 use 940 pin sockets |
| 05:03.57 | Wyzard | You don't need *that* much CPU for gigabit transfers :-P |
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| 05:04.00 | squisher | Wyzard: doesn't that sound like a good choice? :-) |
| 05:04.01 | CompWizrd | but not compatible |
| 05:04.09 | squisher | enouf: sigh, if I wasn't so dumb to put 740 also into google... |
| 05:04.21 | enouf | heh .. |
| 05:04.57 | Wyzard | squisher: If it's a one-time transfer, just take out the hard drive and connect it directly to the other box |
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| 05:05.15 | msn | i am getting the following error when i install any deb |
| 05:05.23 | msn | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kpf_4%3a3.5.5-5_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 05:05.25 | msn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.27 | msn | Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/ppp_2.4.4rel-5_i386.deb ... |
| 05:05.29 | msn | debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. |
| 05:05.29 | squisher | Wyzard: oh yeah, you had mentioned that before... but no, it's my fileserver/router/bittorrent for my lan |
| 05:05.31 | msn | |
| 05:05.40 | enouf | !paster msn |
| 05:05.40 | dpkg | msn: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 05:05.41 | Wyzard | A better network card might help too -- higher-end ones do more of the work (like TCP checksum verification) on the card rather than leaving it for the CPU |
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| 05:06.38 | Supaplex | msn: topic, public key ... |
| 05:06.46 | squisher | Wyzard: true (I am using a realtek right now), but a newer CPU would also help me for bittorrent, and a good NW card costs some money also |
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| 05:07.05 | Wyzard | and if your network is all gigabit, you may be able to increase the MTU to something bigger than 1500 to reduce overhead by sending fewer packets |
| 05:07.05 | hark | msn: do you have debsig-verify installed? |
| 05:07.18 | msn | nothing is installing |
| 05:07.24 | Wyzard | though 10/100 devices, and some gigabit devices, don't support that |
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| 05:07.38 | msn | yes |
| 05:07.40 | hark | msn: remove it |
| 05:07.45 | msn | okey |
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| 05:07.54 | ClintChance | Can some one help me out here, i want to do a Dj setup to stream to another server. but i need GUI apps |
| 05:07.55 | Supaplex | Wyzard: jumbo frames (9000+mtu) |
| 05:07.59 | squisher | Wyzard: yeah, I haven't looked into that. I thought huge packet support would be enabled by default for gigabit, but I never checked... |
| 05:08.00 | Wyzard | squisher: A better network card won't cost as much as a whole new processor and motherboard and possibly new RAM |
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| 05:08.25 | bbelt16ag | Wyzard: i found a.pkr looking for .skr |
| 05:08.37 | squisher | Supaplex: yeah, that's what I meant... do you know where to check / enable that under Linux? |
| 05:08.37 | enouf | CompWizrd: yeah .. AMD did their part earlier (as far as compatibility) between the s939 single and DC models for upgrades .. AM2 is another transitional socket, like s754 was |
| 05:08.38 | Wyzard | Supaplex: except my RTL-8168s only support 7000, and my laptop can't do jumbo at all |
| 05:08.39 | Supaplex | squisher: make sure the hardware has linux support before you buy =) |
| 05:08.41 | msn | hark: thanks |
| 05:08.56 | Wyzard | bbelt16ag: Public keys aren't useful for decrypting files |
| 05:09.04 | squisher | Wyzard: I have a 8168 also... |
| 05:09.07 | Supaplex | squisher: man 5 interfaces, else man ifconfig (hint, mtu) |
| 05:09.16 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: oddly enough, i've had no problems with mixing jumbo and non jumbo |
| 05:09.26 | zooted_ | Hello, quick question here. Under Fedora I can use "yum provides ppracer" or "rpm -q --whatprovides /usr/bin/ppracer" to determine which package provides the file in question. Is there any similar foo using apt-get? |
| 05:09.40 | Supaplex | zooted_: apt-file |
| 05:09.47 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: It only presents a problem if you actually send large packets... small packets like IRC don't make a difference at all |
| 05:09.50 | Supaplex | zooted_: or, ifit's installed right now, dpkg -S |
| 05:10.03 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: yeah, but it sends large packets to the ones that support it, and small to the rest |
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| 05:10.09 | CompWizrd | verified with iptraf :) |
| 05:10.16 | CompWizrd | can't remember the term.. mtu discovery? |
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| 05:10.32 | squisher | Wyzard: buying a new NW card has the problem that I don't know if that will really help my throughput / IO problems though. And if it doesn't I spent the money in vein... |
| 05:10.42 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: I'm pretty sure it doesn't work that way... Path MTU Discovery is something that's done at the IP level, from one router to the next |
| 05:10.43 | zooted_ | Supaplex: Thank you. A similar question got Radio Shack style blank stares in #ubuntu. |
| 05:10.53 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: A given Ethernet segment should have the same MTU configured on all devices |
| 05:10.59 | enouf | ClintChance: perhaps see linuxtoys.org for ideas |
| 05:11.09 | enouf | ClintChance: see version 2 |
| 05:11.16 | ClintChance | will do |
| 05:11.31 | CompWizrd | well, either way it works, i was rather surprised |
| 05:11.46 | enouf | ClintChance: stuff like icecast and shoutcast come to mind .. maybe mythtv even |
| 05:12.02 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: I did some testing and determined that my NICs would reject frames larger than their current configured MTU, even though they do "support" the large frames but currently aren't configured to send them |
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| 05:12.28 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.36 | Supaplex | zooted_: hehe. np. they bumbed our tools, but they forgot the take a copy of the docs with them. ;) |
| 05:12.38 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:12.39 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: which means you can't mix MTUs... everything has to be configured the same or you start getting connectivity problems with large transfers |
| 05:12.47 | CompWizrd | yeah, i have a bunch of nic's that definitely don't support large frames.. some are even 10baseT.. but it'll talk quite happily to the jumbo frame using server, while other clients that support jumbo frame worked properly |
| 05:12.48 | ClintChance | i can do it in windows fast but i have no clue in linux |
| 05:12.49 | bbelt16ag | its in a new briefcase folder... |
| 05:12.52 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:13.06 | squisher | oddly enough increasing the MTU to 7000 decreases my throughput with netcat... |
| 05:13.52 | enouf | zooted_: man dpkg (hint -S) |
| 05:14.03 | enouf | oh .. late again :-P |
| 05:14.15 | ClintChance | enouf, i see nothing about dj stuff on linuxtoys.org |
| 05:15.06 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: What sort of "talking to the server" do you mean? SSH sessions or large file transfers? |
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| 05:15.22 | Supaplex | ClintChance: thats because you subconciously typed sextoys.org ;) |
| 05:15.58 | enouf | ClintChance: I don't know about "DJ" stuff .. but networking and broadcasting detups are discussed (icecast-shoutcast) .. but you may want something more specific, therefore i'm guessing .. maybe videohelp.com can provide a list of apps .. or look into apt-cache search <keyword> |
| 05:16.09 | enouf | s/detups/setups |
| 05:16.15 | ClintChance | yeah yeah..., |
| 05:16.41 | dga | Whenever I try to install Debian from the stable netinst cd, the installer doesn't recognize my harddrive and tells me I have no partitionable media. This is on a Dell Inspiron 1501. Anybody know what's wrong? |
| 05:16.44 | drako | ClintChance, checkout dyne project |
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| 05:17.18 | bwlang | anybody know how to locate which files are using an inode? |
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| 05:17.40 | Wyzard | dga: looks like that laptop's hard drive is SATA |
| 05:17.40 | squisher | Wyzard: would you consider an Intel desktop gigabit card already to lessen the CPU load? |
| 05:17.40 | dga | Wyzard: not mine. |
| 05:17.43 | Dewi | bwlang: I'd like to offer my condolences |
| 05:18.00 | Dewi | bwlang: but I don't know the answer |
| 05:18.06 | Wyzard | dga: sarge has limited SATA support... you could try installing etch, or find one of the unofficial sarge install CDs that uses a newer kernel with better SATA support |
| 05:18.10 | bwlang | Dewi: no problems... i'm just curious. |
| 05:18.13 | Supaplex | bwlang: maybe lsof, stat... debug2fs |
| 05:18.25 | Wyzard | dga: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/inspn_1501?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs says it does |
| 05:18.27 | Dewi | bwlang: oh, your data isn't dying then? |
| 05:18.38 | Wyzard | dga: on the "tech specs" tab |
| 05:18.40 | Dewi | bwlang: I withdraw my sympathy :) |
| 05:18.41 | bwlang | Dewi: actually i'm just running xfs_fsr and see that i had one file with 1000 fragments... and i wonder which one it was. |
| 05:19.09 | dga | Wyzard: yeah, but it lets you customize it or whatever. The 80GB non-SATA was the cheapest of the bunch. |
| 05:19.38 | Wyzard | squisher: I've never used an Intel NIC, only 3Com and Realtek |
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| 05:20.11 | squisher | Wyzard: so in your experience the 3Com cause much less CPU usage than realtek? |
| 05:20.24 | dga | hi njkt |
| 05:20.37 | Wyzard | dga: Well, in either case it's a SATA controller on the motherboard, and that's where the problem lies... doesn't matter that it's talking to a PATA drive |
| 05:20.38 | bwlang | Supaplex: hah! find -inum 35076858 |
| 05:20.48 | dga | Wyzard: Ah |
| 05:20.48 | Wyzard | squisher: I think so, though I haven't done careful tests |
| 05:20.56 | bwlang | Supaplex: too easy ;) |
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| 05:21.04 | Wyzard | dga: You can get 3c905 cards pretty cheap, like $5 or so |
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| 05:21.40 | dga | Huh? |
| 05:21.52 | Wyzard | dga: oops, sorry |
| 05:21.56 | enouf | bwlang: find has an -inode option |
| 05:21.58 | Wyzard | squisher: You can get 3c905 cards pretty cheap, like $5 or so |
| 05:22.06 | enouf | dunno if that helps thouh bwlang |
| 05:22.40 | Supaplex | bwlang: imagine that. :) |
| 05:22.41 | squisher | Wyzard: 3c905 is not gigabit though, is it? |
| 05:22.47 | enouf | dga: do you need to use sarge? for a production workstsion or server ? |
| 05:22.50 | Supaplex | enouf: yea, he just said that. :) |
| 05:22.53 | enouf | er workstation |
| 05:22.56 | enouf | doh! |
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| 05:23.01 | Wyzard | squisher: good point |
| 05:23.06 | bwlang | enouf: helps.. just a few lines late |
| 05:23.11 | enouf | !latesmite me |
| 05:23.20 | Wyzard | squisher: but you could at least do a comparison between 3Com and Realtek at 100mbit to see if it's worth getting a better gigabit card |
| 05:23.20 | Supaplex | I'd read the driver support for the 3coms' they're still flakey |
| 05:23.41 | Supaplex | eg, little to no support for the accelerated layer |
| 05:23.58 | bwlang | i guess even xfs doesn't like it much when you get to 95% file usage... but man this online defragmenter is mighty nice |
| 05:24.05 | squisher | Wyzard: but if I got up to 11MB/s under load already, then comparing a 100Mbps would not really get me much data, since it'll max out at 8MB/s anyways |
| 05:24.28 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: either/or :) |
| 05:24.29 | Wyzard | squisher: 11 is the limit for 100mbit, not 8 |
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| 05:24.56 | enouf | Wyzard: have you checked you modinfo parameters? to se if you can configure your card correctly for jumbo frames? |
| 05:24.56 | Supaplex | trunk it! |
| 05:25.14 | Wyzard | anyway, it just seems like overkill to replace your cheap power-efficient system with an Opteron just for BT and gigabit transfers :-) |
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| 05:25.32 | njkt | dga: yo' |
| 05:25.35 | squisher | Wyzard: ok, nonetheless, I got 11MB/s already |
| 05:26.04 | enouf | Intel ProWireless are supposed to be good cards I thought .. are they blobular? |
| 05:26.04 | CompWizrd | opteron cpu in idle mode probaly uses more than the epia box wide open :) |
| 05:26.04 | enouf | er ,, doh |
| 05:26.09 | Supaplex | FC HBA's are cheap now a days to. The Emulex LP's are supported in Linux. |
| 05:26.20 | squisher | CompWizrd: Hmm, good point. 940 boards were expensive anyways, since I'm on budget, I might just go for turion 64 |
| 05:26.37 | dga | enouf: i can use whatever works. |
| 05:26.37 | Wyzard | enouf: I can enable jumbo frames just fine, up to 7000 bytes on the Realtek 8168... problem is that when the card isn't configured to *send* jumbo frames, it refuses to *receive* them too |
| 05:26.52 | Wyzard | enouf: ipw2100 and ipw2200 have free drivers but firmware blob |
| 05:26.52 | bwlang | squisher: 11? why isn't it 100 M bits/sec * 1byte/8 bits = 12.5 M bytes/sec (minus some for overhead depending on frame size)? |
| 05:27.18 | Supaplex | latency |
| 05:27.21 | dga | After a bit of googling all I can find is people using acpi=force irqpoll but it seems to be troublesome for most people and not a real solution. |
| 05:27.25 | Wyzard | enouf: ipw3945 has a userspace daemon blob too |
| 05:27.28 | enouf | Wyzard: I see. .. didn't mean "wifi' .. I goofed |
| 05:27.30 | squisher | Wyzard: true, but cpu was a bottleneck already, so maybe I'll try to do something about it and I don't think I have the money for a newer Epia right now |
| 05:27.43 | squisher | bwlang: 11MB/s was my actual throughput |
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| 05:27.53 | bwlang | squisher: got it . |
| 05:27.53 | squisher | Supaplex: what is a FB HBA? |
| 05:28.03 | dga | pci=nomsi doesn't do anything either. |
| 05:28.10 | Supaplex | squisher: Fibre Channel Host Based Adapter. |
| 05:28.33 | squisher | Supaplex: yeah, that totally sounds like something i need to hook up to my Epia ;-) |
| 05:28.34 | enouf | Wyzard: back to your realtek 8168, can you configure to Tx jumbo? |
| 05:29.36 | squisher | Supaplex: plus, wouldn't FC be point-to-point? I'd like to support more than one PC at higher speeds |
| 05:29.41 | Supaplex | squisher: I bought 10 1gbit FCHBA's for $70usd after shipping. |
| 05:29.51 | Supaplex | you can get a FC switch |
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| 05:30.03 | enouf | squisher: I'm sure any AMD64 (s754/s939) single core setup will outperform that Via easily and clearly beyond recognition .. they're cheap now too (mobo/CPU/RAM) |
| 05:30.03 | Wyzard | enouf: There's no modprobe parameter for it... I control it with "ip link set eth0 mtu", but that controls both Rx and Tx |
| 05:30.05 | squisher | Supaplex: and how much is the cable? |
| 05:30.31 | bwlang | squisher: there are FC switches - but they're like 3k minimum |
| 05:30.35 | Supaplex | varies. I got a armfull of the 3 meter cables for $25 shipped. |
| 05:30.38 | enouf | Wyzard: hrm .. ok .. knew you were smart enough to look/notice/implement anyways |
| 05:30.44 | Supaplex | bwlang: that's for new. |
| 05:30.57 | Wyzard | Supaplex: I'm a little confused... I thought FC was for talking to hard drives, not other computers |
| 05:30.59 | Supaplex | my FC switch only cost $35 :) eBay++ |
| 05:31.10 | Wyzard | as a SCSI alternative |
| 05:31.15 | Supaplex | Wyzard: they support IP |
| 05:31.22 | bwlang | wyzard: it doens't really matter, it's all bits. think iSCSI |
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| 05:31.36 | Supaplex | think of it like ethernet. |
| 05:31.42 | dga | Wyzard: Any idea on what parameters to pass to the installer or am I SOL? Judging by these threads I'm reading it seems to be the latter. |
| 05:31.43 | Wyzard | iSCSI is SCSI over TCP/IP, not TCP/IP over SCSI |
| 05:31.53 | Wyzard | I haven't heard of doing general-purpose communication over it |
| 05:32.08 | enouf | dga: Sarge installer? |
| 05:32.14 | Supaplex | the kernel drivers are getting, shal we say, interesting :) |
| 05:32.32 | Wyzard | dga: Your motherboard has a SATA controller that the sarge kernel doesn't support... either use an unofficial sarge installer with a newer kernel, or install etch |
| 05:32.41 | bwlang | Wyzard: i just mean you can pass bits over lots of stuff - the type of "wire" doesn't really matter that much these days |
| 05:32.41 | enouf | dga: try Etch .. or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 05:32.48 | dga | I'll try etch |
| 05:32.55 | dga | Thanks |
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| 05:33.02 | Bsims | I am having problems with the webcam function in kopete, I click to accept and it tries to pull the wrong persons cam... any ideas? |
| 05:33.11 | enouf | !nie dga |
| 05:33.15 | enouf | !nie |
| 05:33.15 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: See what's New In Etch http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch .. changes from Sarge, technical issues when doing a Sarge2EtchUpgrade, etc .. |
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| 05:33.28 | enouf | dga: ^^^ |
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| 05:33.32 | dga | Thank you :) |
| 05:34.12 | squisher | Supaplex: what speed do you get over FC? |
| 05:37.23 | squisher | enouf: yeah, AMD64 would be the way to go. I can reuse the RAM, but would need new CPU/Mobo and case... which I guess I could get for around $100. So that's not too bad, but I wonder how it does in power usage |
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| 05:39.08 | Wyzard | squisher: FWIW, my Core 2 Duo box with three hard drives draws about 160 watts, plus 40 more for the monitor |
| 05:39.10 | enouf | squisher: how efficient is your PSU is what matters mostly, and obviously the newer CPUs/RAM use (slightly )less voltages |
| 05:39.51 | squisher | Wyzard: hmm, good to know. I think the epia draws about 70W, but that's just with one HDD |
| 05:40.01 | squisher | enouf: good point, but an efficient PSU is expensive :) |
| 05:40.33 | enouf | squisher: not necessairly .. 80% should be your goal .. go to the egg :-) look at enermax (to name one) |
| 05:40.52 | squisher | enouf: Newer, faster CPUs at least draw lots of power again... (not that I'm getting one of those...) |
| 05:40.53 | Wyzard | Seasonic is good too |
| 05:40.57 | Wyzard | for PSUs |
| 05:41.01 | CompWizrd | a core2duo at my office with 5 320gig drives all active is currently using 250 watts, and it'll be doing so for the next week or so until the cp -a is done :) |
| 05:41.02 | enouf | squisher: Yes .. server grade are (ones over 80%) .. but well .. ya know |
| 05:41.17 | squisher | I have a Seasonic in my desktop, was the best at efficiency at some test I read back then |
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| 05:41.40 | Wyzard | I'm using one now, in the 160W system I just mentioned |
| 05:41.44 | squisher | enouf: egg lists the efficiency? that's new to me... |
| 05:41.49 | enouf | squisher: no .. not if they are not the DCs (coreDuo AMD X2) |
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| 05:42.00 | enouf | squisher: yep |
| 05:42.01 | ivl_ | ejka: hello. I sent you email yesterday. Did you get it? |
| 05:42.02 | TimeX | I cannot use fvwm95 on debian |
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| 05:42.15 | squisher | enouf: nice |
| 05:42.17 | TimeX | the error message is cannot open display |
| 05:42.23 | enouf | ivl_: I got it .. when can I come over |
| 05:42.31 | Wyzard | TimeX: Where are you running it from? |
| 05:42.31 | enouf | oh .. :_p |
| 05:42.42 | enouf | ivl_: apologies |
| 05:42.49 | TimeX | Wyzard: console |
| 05:43.01 | TimeX | Wyzard: I apt-get install fvwm95 |
| 05:43.02 | Wyzard | TimeX: It can't connect to X if X isn't running |
| 05:43.21 | TimeX | Wyzard: I am confused, |
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| 05:43.47 | TimeX | Wyzard: I don't quit know the relationship between X and windows manager |
| 05:44.11 | enouf | squisher: I've heard the ebay resellers are selling (AMD64) CPU+mobo on the cheapola .. YMMV (and better trust who you buy from .. caveat emptor) |
| 05:44.24 | Bsims | TimeX: X is the foundation and a windowmanager is the house |
| 05:44.29 | Wyzard | X is what talks to the video card and actually gets things drawn on the screen... it's the "X server" because it provides the service of displaying graphics |
| 05:44.40 | Wyzard | Applications, including the window manager, are "clients" which talk to the X server and tell it to draw things |
| 05:44.56 | TimeX | Bsims: so, I must install X first? |
| 05:44.59 | squisher | enouf: thanks for the tipp, and yeah, you need to watch it on ebay (that's why I'm not using it very often anymore...) |
| 05:45.02 | Wyzard | right |
| 05:45.21 | TimeX | Wyzard: what software should I apt-get first? |
| 05:45.30 | Wyzard | Are you running sarge or etch? |
| 05:45.30 | squisher | enouf: btw, the efficiency is only sometimes listed on newegg, see http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817103455 |
| 05:45.41 | TimeX | Wyzard: sarge |
| 05:45.53 | enouf | squisher: sure .. if the PSU manu is worthy :-) |
| 05:46.10 | Bsims | TimeX: X should be a dep of it... try startx and see what you get |
| 05:46.17 | Wyzard | Installing the "xerver-xfree86" package should pull in everything you need, IIRC |
| 05:46.25 | Wyzard | but I haven't used sarge in a long time so I'm not sure |
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| 05:46.29 | TimeX | command not found |
| 05:46.40 | hark | x-window-system-core |
| 05:46.44 | TimeX | Wyzard: I will try |
| 05:47.12 | Wyzard | TimeX: hark is right, install x-window-system-core -- that'll get xserver-xfree86 plus some other important things |
| 05:47.27 | TimeX | Wyzard: all right |
| 05:47.31 | jdavis_ | I am trying to install debian, but I have a JMicron SATA controller (and JMicron PATA controller). I have tried the netinst image, but no luck. I know that there's support in the latest kernel. Any suggestions? |
| 05:47.32 | squisher | enouf: do you happen to know what to search for on ebay to get to those combo's? AMD64 combo / bundle does not yield much... |
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| 05:47.39 | TimeX | hark: thanks |
| 05:47.47 | hark | np |
| 05:48.02 | enouf | squisher: lemmee ask a buddy .. hold a sec |
| 05:48.05 | Bsims | squisher: try a search for 939 chipset |
| 05:48.07 | TimeX | hark: it takes about 90M space, |
| 05:48.09 | enouf | or a few :-) |
| 05:48.10 | TimeX | so big |
| 05:48.12 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Only 2.6.18 and newer support JMicron, and there's no installer with that yet |
| 05:48.36 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: do you have a suggestion about what I might do to get it going? |
| 05:48.39 | nevyn | can anyone reccomend a information management system thingy they've used and liked? (asset management issue tracky thingy)? |
| 05:48.43 | Supaplex | humm |
| 05:48.57 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: or is that really a challenge? |
| 05:49.14 | Wyzard | jdavis_: My Abit AB9 Pro motherboard recently had a BIOS update which updated the JMicron controller's BIOS too, and the new JMicron BIOS has AHCI support |
| 05:49.40 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: yeah, I think I have that option in my BIOS already, what should I do with that? |
| 05:49.41 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Look in your BIOS settings to see if there's a way to put the JMicron controller in AHCI mode, and if not, see if your motherboard manufacturer has a BIOS update availabile which might add that feature |
| 05:49.48 | TimeX | Wyzard: can I read PDF file under console? |
| 05:50.11 | squisher | enouf: hmm, I'm finding some stuff, but it's still more than I want to spend. I'll rather get a Turion64 and a brand mobo, I think. Even though for the server I guess athlon64 might really be better |
| 05:50.12 | Wyzard | jdavis_: AHCI is well-supported in Linux, and it's pretty much the preferred type of SATA controller -- you get full support for NCQ and hotplug with AHCI |
| 05:50.22 | dga | TimeX: you can with pstotext iirc |
| 05:50.22 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: if I do that will the netinst just work? I thought I had tried that but I'd try again. |
| 05:50.53 | enouf | squisher: Turion is a mobile CPU iirc |
| 05:50.54 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Assuming you're installing etch and not sarge, yes, it's possible |
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| 05:51.20 | enouf | squisher: Sempron are the cheaper AMD64 models .. but be careful .. older ones are 32bit only |
| 05:51.32 | Bsims | squisher: get a ASUS A8N-E its a last gen board, will take Ath64 Opts in single or dual core, has two IDE and like 4 or five SATA... and it works perfectly on Sid |
| 05:51.37 | squisher | enouf: oh yeah, of course, mistaking names here again... sorry |
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| 05:51.56 | enouf | squisher: naturally, they are not quite as nice as the other AMD64 athlons |
| 05:52.03 | Wyzard | jdavis_: I recently installed Etch onto a system with AHCI, so I know the kernel will find the hard drives |
| 05:52.19 | squisher | enouf: yeah, I think for my use more cache really might help a bit, but then again, I don't know if it's worth the price for me |
| 05:52.27 | enouf | squisher: I bought my AMD64 3000+ s754 + ECS Mobo for $150 over a year ago |
| 05:52.40 | Bsims | squisher: I can run anything with a 939 chipset |
| 05:52.52 | Wyzard | jdavis_: However, that system's PATA port was connected to a JMicron controller that didn't yet have the AHCI feature, and the installer's kernel couldn't find the CD-ROM drive due to a bug in 2.6.17, so I couldn't install from CD; had to use a bootable USB stick |
| 05:53.10 | squisher | enouf: interesting, that's not too bad. I'll look around a bit |
| 05:53.14 | Bsims | I bought the board a gig of ram a 3800+ single core and a videocard for like 300 |
| 05:53.23 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Assuming your CD drive is also connected to your JMicron, you might have the same problem -- I don't know whether AHCI will fix that, since your CD drive is probably not SATA |
| 05:53.39 | squisher | Bsims: that's cheap, the board is already 130 on newegg |
| 05:53.45 | enouf | squisher: my bud must be sleeping atm .. so keep looking round the web for deals :-) |
| 05:54.03 | squisher | enouf: that's ok, thanks for trying |
| 05:54.03 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: right, that's what I'm experiencing now. I have JMicron for both SATA and PATA. I could try hooking up a PATA CD, would that help? |
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| 05:54.38 | Bsims | squisher: and that included a nvida 6600 GT |
| 05:54.49 | Wyzard | jdavis_: You're using a SATA CD drive now? |
| 05:54.53 | squisher | Bsims: where did you buy it from? |
| 05:54.58 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Yes, and I'm in the shell in the install. |
| 05:55.01 | Bsims | squisher: local computer shop |
| 05:55.13 | Wyzard | jdavis_: OK, you're past the bug I ran into, then |
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| 05:55.19 | enouf | squisher: the s939 sockets allow for either Single or DualCore .. so consider that (not to mention the large RAM fixes at better Command Rates, etc) |
| 05:55.26 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: well it can't find my CD |
| 05:55.28 | Bsims | Computer Deli in peoria IL |
| 05:55.35 | squisher | Bsims: that's some price, can't really imagine how you got all of that for 300, but anyways |
| 05:55.40 | kritical | How can I find out if RAID1 is enabled in my kernel? |
| 05:55.51 | Wyzard | jdavis_: with the JMicron controller set to AHCI mode in the BIOS? |
| 05:55.56 | Bsims | LOL I got it the week after they announced the AM2 |
| 05:56.07 | Wyzard | kritical: All Debian's stock kernels have RAID1 support |
| 05:56.20 | kritical | Wyzard, thanks =) |
| 05:56.29 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: yup, AHCI, and I don't even see my HD at the shell. |
| 05:56.42 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Are you installing sarge or etch? |
| 05:56.52 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: /dev/scsi is empty, and I can't "modprobe ahci" |
| 05:56.59 | Bsims | Gah neber mind it was 482 |
| 05:57.09 | enouf | squisher: 3 sites I used to frequent for deals were bensbargains.net, fatwallet.com, and erm .. one more .. oh slickdeals.net , and maybe even cheapstingybastard.com or similar |
| 05:57.13 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: am I using the wrong CD somehow? I would think "modprobe ahci" should work. |
| 05:57.18 | Bsims | I didn't incude the vid card |
| 05:57.19 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Yes, it should |
| 05:57.32 | squisher | enouf: thanks, sounds interesting |
| 05:57.38 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: this is debian 3.1R4 netinst |
| 05:57.57 | enouf | squisher: anyone you see/like, check them out on resellerratings.com for the good, teh bad, and the fugly |
| 05:58.02 | Wyzard | jdavis_: OK, that's sarge, the current stable release... it has very limited SATA support and probably won't work on this system |
| 05:58.20 | Wyzard | jdavis_: though there are some unofficial sarge installers available that use newer kernels with better SATA support |
| 05:58.40 | mynullvoid | I run sid fine |
| 05:58.45 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Ok, looking for one now. |
| 05:58.46 | Wyzard | jdavis_: You'd be better off installing etch, the current "testing" branch which is in preparation to be released soon |
| 05:58.50 | Bsims | mynullvoid: same here |
| 05:59.08 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: do they have bootable ISOs for that? |
| 05:59.10 | Wyzard | jdavis_: That uses a much newer kernel (2.6.17 currently; will be 2.6.18 when it's released) which has much better SATA support |
| 05:59.19 | peterS | jdavis_: yeah, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has some |
| 05:59.30 | Bsims | Wyzard: Heh I am running 2.6.17 myself |
| 05:59.32 | peterS | jdavis_: it has rc1 but I understand rc2 will be out fairly soon (a few days?) |
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| 05:59.52 | squisher | enouf: thanks for all the help, I'll have look around a bit and find out how much I can get for the epia first, then I can really see. |
| 06:00.04 | Wyzard | peterS: Will RC2 finally have 2.6.18? |
| 06:00.10 | jdavis_ | Wyzard, peterS: thanks guys! I'm going to burn it right now. |
| 06:00.21 | squisher | enouf: need to take off now though, have a great night! |
| 06:00.23 | peterS | Wyzard: yes, that's the main thing it was waiting on. 2.6.18-4 finally made it to unstable a few days ago |
| 06:00.40 | peterS | Wyzard: previous 2.6.18's weren't quite etch material, we hope -4 will be. |
| 06:01.05 | Wyzard | peterS: good, finally :-) |
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| 06:01.12 | enouf | ok you too squisher |
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| 06:02.13 | Bsims | the battery life seems good and it appears to work with Linux better than most |
| 06:02.14 | Wyzard | peterS: and I'm glad for 2.6.18-4 because it fixes a rather major data-corruption bug in encrypted-raid5 configurations... now I don't have to build a custom patched kernel anymore :-) |
| 06:02.15 | enouf | peterS: I believe fjp uploaded -4 for all arches like today |
| 06:02.39 | xerophyte | does anybody use ossec, if so does it monitor the log file constantly and take action against bruteforce ?? or does it works in a time frame from the daemon ?? |
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| 06:02.52 | jetscreamer | -4 is since at least yesterday |
| 06:03.14 | Supaplex | xerophyte: I use iptables -m recent (read up on it) |
| 06:03.15 | enouf | erm .. for the installer .. sorry debian-installer: fjp * r44665 installer/ (18 files in 6 dirs): Switch all architectures to 2.6.18-4. (In record time, w00t\!) |
| 06:03.31 | peterS | enouf: most archs were uploaded already before today, alpha was lagging because the build daemons were offline for awhile |
| 06:03.41 | xerophyte | Supaplex, ?? |
| 06:03.45 | enouf | peterS: ok .. thanks |
| 06:03.47 | peterS | enouf: anyway, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-2.6 indicates that it might be a bit of work for the release managers to wedge it into etch at present... |
| 06:04.17 | xerophyte | Supaplex, i was wondering how does ossec handle the monitoring of logs |
| 06:04.27 | enouf | peterS: yes .. also see (if you haven't already) http://people.debian.org/~fjp/RC2_mail.txt |
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| 06:04.50 | Supaplex | xerophyte: I don't know |
| 06:05.19 | jetscreamer | i've changed my local network's ip range, from 192.x.x.x to 17..x.x.x ... but the intearweb douznt werk when i change it. i get an ip from the dhcp server in the dsl modem but no net. if i change it back to 192.x.x.x it works again.. what am i missing... |
| 06:05.30 | peterS | Bsims: hey if it's good enough to come out of experimental just use it from there, right? |
| 06:05.49 | Bsims | peterS: Heh I went debian because I am lazy <g> |
| 06:06.03 | enouf | peterS: If I weren't such a putz, I'd even try to do more than wait for the call for testeer announcement (when ready) to be posted at d-d-a .. and then test what I can .. |
| 06:06.26 | Bsims | peterS: Heh It all Just Works... that is why I love Debian |
| 06:06.27 | biatche | what controls the loading of init scripts at bootup in debian? |
| 06:06.32 | Wyzard | Bsims: :-P |
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| 06:06.46 | Bsims | Wyzard: Heh I run KDE apps in wmaker |
| 06:06.52 | jetscreamer | biatche: the symlinks in /etc/rc.2 basically |
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| 06:07.01 | Bsims | Wyzard: though I must say I use mrxvt instead of konsole |
| 06:07.09 | biatche | symlinks to init.d? |
| 06:07.13 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:07.17 | dendrite | biatche: /etc/inittab is a good place to start. |
| 06:07.17 | biatche | ok thanks |
| 06:07.40 | Bsims | mrxvt loaded faster than a straight xterm for me and its tabable |
| 06:07.45 | peterS | biatche: the 'init' program runs the stuff in /etc/inittab, including '/etc/init.d/rcS' and then '/etc/init.d/rc 2'. /etc/init.d/rc runs all the S* scripts in /etc/rc2.d/ and so forth. |
| 06:08.16 | biatche | ok, ill figure it out.. thanks. |
| 06:08.17 | detectivebob | How can you make a folder that is writable but not deletable? |
| 06:08.37 | Wyzard | detectivebob: Deletion is controlled by write permission on the parent directory |
| 06:08.42 | jetscreamer | buy a metal one from office depot? |
| 06:08.46 | Wyzard | detectivebob: so put a writable directory inside a non-writable directory |
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| 06:09.02 | peterS | detectivebob: chmod +w the directory name. 'deletable' is actually a property not of the directory itself but of the write permission in its _parent_ directory |
| 06:09.32 | detectivebob | no i mean I need some files that can be modified but not deleted |
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| 06:10.14 | stoned | hm |
| 06:10.19 | Wyzard | detectivebob: "chattr +a" might have that effect, though I'm not sure |
| 06:10.23 | stoned | that debian.exe installer kinda blows bungholes |
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| 06:10.36 | stoned | first thing I notice is the menu.lst that gets generated |
| 06:10.37 | Wyzard | detectivebob: but I don't know whether append-only is acceptable to you |
| 06:10.40 | stoned | it has errors |
| 06:10.44 | Azar | stoned did you tried it? |
| 06:10.46 | raj | hi all |
| 06:10.54 | detectivebob | Wyzard, nup, only allows appends, saving in any txt editor doesnt work |
| 06:10.54 | stoned | Azar: I gave it a go on a old machine |
| 06:11.09 | peterS | detectivebob: same thing. set +w permission on the files but don't set +w permission on the directory they are in |
| 06:11.10 | enouf | stoned: you have your calling ;-) |
| 06:11.10 | stoned | Azar: basically it automates the grub for NT installation and gets the netboot kernel/initrd |
| 06:11.12 | raj | is it possible to recover formated linux partition |
| 06:11.19 | Azar | stoned: I don't have windows, I am curious it sounds fun |
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| 06:11.29 | stoned | Azar: and that automation is pretty useless because it doesn't work |
| 06:11.30 | danf_1979 | Is this command wrong? |
| 06:11.33 | danf_1979 | dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq ? |
| 06:11.40 | peterS | danf_1979: dpkg --force-help |
| 06:11.42 | Wyzard | detectivebob: Well, permission to delete a file comes from write permission on the directory the file is in, so you'd remove write permission on the directory |
| 06:11.46 | stoned | it creates a "broken" menu.lst as well |
| 06:11.52 | danf_1979 | I did read that, but it isn't clear |
| 06:11.55 | Wyzard | detectivebob: then people can modify the files within it, but not create or delete files |
| 06:12.00 | Azar | gah, you could tell the guy who made it |
| 06:12.08 | jetscreamer | why doesn't my internet work when i change my network |
| 06:12.09 | stoned | I would like to |
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| 06:12.12 | Wyzard | detectivebob: If you need to be able to create files but not delete them, maybe +a the directory... |
| 06:12.13 | stoned | it a good automation too |
| 06:12.18 | stoned | tool* |
| 06:12.22 | stoned | it is* |
| 06:12.25 | stoned | fuck I can't type tonight |
| 06:12.34 | enouf | Bsims: hiccup in your backip :-P |
| 06:12.35 | Azar | beer |
| 06:12.41 | peterS | jetscreamer: are you still using an rfc 1918 private IP range? |
| 06:12.42 | stoned | nah, powerade |
| 06:12.52 | stoned | btw |
| 06:12.54 | peterS | jetscreamer: (172.16.x.x through 172.31.x.x) |
| 06:13.00 | Bsims | enouf: I blame the rum |
| 06:13.01 | jetscreamer | peterS: yes |
| 06:13.02 | Azar | jetscreamer: I assume you have to halt it, then restart it |
| 06:13.02 | biatche | i wanna change my nic ip config, what file(s) should i be looking at? |
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| 06:13.13 | Bsims | enouf: take a look at the script and tell me what you think |
| 06:13.24 | Wyzard | biatche: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:13.29 | biatche | thx |
| 06:13.29 | peterS | jetscreamer: and the debian box is using DHCP, right? so the _only_ thing you changed was the configuration on your NAT box? |
| 06:13.40 | enouf | Bsims: I would, but I'm not qualified .. and not happy about that :-( |
| 06:13.40 | jetscreamer | peterS: correct |
| 06:13.40 | danf_1979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.44 | stoned | peterS: jmicron JMB363 ATA controller was detected with 2.6.18-3 for AMD64 kernel. |
| 06:13.45 | danf_1979 | It says that |
| 06:13.47 | peterS | jetscreamer: then I'd blame the NAT box (: |
| 06:13.52 | danf_1979 | But this doesn't work! |
| 06:13.56 | danf_1979 | dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 06:13.56 | stoned | Azar: debian.exe also installed the AMD 64 kernel on my intel machine |
| 06:14.04 | biatche | hmm... and just where do i set the ips rather than use dhcp? |
| 06:14.05 | Bsims | enouf: It works well, it mounts my usb hard drive, does its thing and then unmounts when done |
| 06:14.07 | stoned | ! |
| 06:14.14 | jetscreamer | same place biatche |
| 06:14.16 | Azar | stoned: I am confused, did it worked or not? |
| 06:14.24 | stoned | yeh it worked, but it was bogus |
| 06:14.25 | biatche | ok. man interfaces |
| 06:14.26 | enouf | Bsims: cool .. :-) perhaps others can test too .. |
| 06:14.29 | jetscreamer | biatche: man 5interfaces |
| 06:14.41 | Bogus8 | stoned: please don't take my name in vain ;) |
| 06:14.42 | jetscreamer | thankee all |
| 06:14.48 | peterS | stoned: ah yeah, that sounds familiar - I forget the details of the problem you were having earlier with that |
| 06:14.57 | Bsims | enouf: man script sometime if you want to log stuff |
| 06:14.59 | Azar | bogus means is good for nothing: does not work |
| 06:15.01 | Guerin | bah, fucking idiots |
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| 06:15.11 | Bogus8 | Azar: I resent that! |
| 06:15.12 | Azar | psssttt Guerin is back |
| 06:15.16 | Azar | :) |
| 06:15.18 | stoned | Bogus8: I resent you |
| 06:15.23 | Bogus8 | damn you all! |
| 06:15.24 | enouf | Bsims: gotcha .. and bookmarking your link .. |
| 06:15.28 | stoned | no thanks |
| 06:15.32 | stoned | I'm well blessed |
| 06:15.34 | biatche | wow, its a bit confusing.... map HOME? map WORK? |
| 06:15.38 | Azar | Bogus8: get a decent nickname |
| 06:15.39 | jetscreamer | bye |
| 06:15.39 | Guerin | my mother's ISP refuse to tell me the address range from which they draw dynamic IP addresses `for security reasons' |
| 06:15.49 | Guerin | as if an ip range is a security issue |
| 06:15.52 | stoned | Guerin: get a court order... they will comply! |
| 06:15.55 | jelly-home | Guerin: bwahaha |
| 06:16.18 | jelly-home | also, good morning/evening/day |
| 06:16.38 | Azar | Guerin: they may be rightfully paranoid: anyone can call them saying he is the son of your mother |
| 06:16.48 | danf_1979 | Anyone knows the right syntax for this??? |
| 06:16.50 | danf_1979 | dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 06:16.52 | insmod | Guerin: they use to publish it at whois i believe |
| 06:17.05 | danf_1979 | dpkg courier-authlib --force-remove-reinstreq |
| 06:17.12 | danf_1979 | I need to get rid of that package |
| 06:17.15 | Guerin | Azar: i said no such thing. What I wanted was to know a range of ip addresses. No customer information. |
| 06:17.19 | Guerin | insmod: mm, ok |
| 06:17.33 | Hobz | did you explain why? |
| 06:17.43 | Bsims | danf_1979: why not use apt? |
| 06:17.45 | Bogus8 | Azar: btw, Azar is a descent nick? Bwahaha |
| 06:17.47 | Azar | Guerin: like insmod said: there are better means to access and find out than the ISP boobs |
| 06:17.54 | danf_1979 | the package is **** up |
| 06:17.56 | danf_1979 | I can't |
| 06:18.11 | Guerin | Azar: please find me the dynamic ip range for paradise.net.nz |
| 06:18.25 | Guerin | Azar: just for dial-up, i'll make it easy |
| 06:18.33 | Azar | no IP address? |
| 06:18.36 | Azar | get her in the irc |
| 06:18.38 | mynullvoid | hi guys |
| 06:18.40 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:18.41 | azeem | danf_1979: post the error message to a pastebin |
| 06:18.44 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 06:18.44 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 06:18.48 | stoned | Azar: oh... and it installed Gnome on my machine too. Installer took almost 1.4 hours to download everything. After install, I changed the rep to sid, updated tried to upgrade, but um... there was kernel package for intel! only am64 packages were there. I checked everything.. no dice. Then I wasn't able to build my ati modules. BTW, menu.lst in broken in a sense that it doesn't give the option between auto/install/expert.. it just boots |
| 06:18.49 | Azar | I mean IP numbers |
| 06:18.52 | enouf | Guerin: dnsstuff.com perhaps? |
| 06:19.05 | mynullvoid | I am using syslog, how can I disable the kern logs appearing at my TTY? |
| 06:19.18 | stoned | Azar: I passed out and woke up in my chair an hour later and the installer was still running |
| 06:19.27 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:19.28 | stoned | Azar: then it pissed me off and I was like fuck it |
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| 06:20.14 | danf_1979 | azeem, |
| 06:20.19 | stoned | there was NO kernel package for intel |
| 06:20.20 | danf_1979 | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error' |
| 06:20.20 | danf_1979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.24 | stoned | I was befuddled |
| 06:20.40 | azeem | danf_1979: and that happens when you do what? |
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| 06:21.41 | danf_1979 | I'm trying to get rid of that package... I can't use apt, it dies with that error, everytime |
| 06:21.57 | azeem | danf_1979: please paste the full output of apt then |
| 06:22.03 | azeem | to a pastebin, of course |
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| 06:22.57 | khaleel5000 | hey I am teacheig a n00b about linux , he doesnot even know the concept of 'packages ' etc , so you guys have a handy hoow-to there? (i mean a link to one such ) |
| 06:23.07 | khaleel5000 | i am teaching him over chat |
| 06:23.23 | Bsims | khaleel5000: teach him man man |
| 06:23.33 | azeem | Bsims: how does that help with packages? |
| 06:23.41 | litage_ | how can you list all but the first n lines of a file? ``head -n -4'' lists all but the last 4, and tail doesn't allow "-4"... |
| 06:23.45 | Bsims | azeem: its teh manual for the manua; |
| 06:23.50 | Bsims | er for the manual |
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| 06:23.55 | stoned | tail -n X |
| 06:23.59 | azeem | Bsims: and where is the manual which teaches about packages? |
| 06:24.01 | Bsims | then show him man apt-get |
| 06:24.24 | Bsims | azeem: there isn't one but tell him its like a exe and dil files |
| 06:24.31 | stoned | you can't tail/head the last negative 4 lines |
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| 06:24.47 | stoned | lol |
| 06:24.47 | azeem | Bsims: oh, so you're just making things up, alright |
| 06:24.49 | litage_ | stoned: ``tail -n X'' lists the last X lines, not all but the first X lines |
| 06:24.54 | Bsims | hrm man dpkg |
| 06:25.04 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I tried with the ETCH RC1 and now I get the ahci driver and ata_piix but it doesn't detect my CD. I tried loading a bunch of modules but nothing obvious appeared under /dev. |
| 06:25.18 | Bsims | azeem: you mean to explain what a package is? or how to use one |
| 06:25.23 | jelly-home | litage_: tail -n +5 |
| 06:25.53 | khaleel5000 | Bsims: err.... concept of packages in linux ? |
| 06:25.54 | azeem | Bsims: I mean it's pretty useless to answer "man man" to a question which is not directly linked to one command anyway |
| 06:26.03 | jelly-home | litage_: also, rtfm :-> |
| 06:26.15 | Wyzard | jdavis_: OK, you might be having the same problem I did after all, then |
| 06:26.20 | Bsims | I know but I have always felt that is the most important command |
| 06:26.20 | azeem | khaleel5000: what do you think is the concept of packages in linux? |
| 06:26.31 | stoned | lol |
| 06:26.31 | Wyzard | jdavis_: If that's the case, you'll need to use something other than a CD for installing, such as a USB keydrive |
| 06:26.35 | stoned | man man thats awesome |
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| 06:26.55 | Wyzard | jdavis_: The page where you downloaded the etch CD also has a download for a bootable USB stick |
| 06:27.00 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Oh, wow, I think I have one of those (hopefully I can find it!). |
| 06:27.01 | Bsims | stoned: two things came out of Berkley in the 70's unix and acid |
| 06:27.21 | Wyzard | needs to be at least 256MB, I believe |
| 06:27.26 | stoned | acid came out long ago bro.. try 40s LSA production in labs |
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| 06:27.47 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I'll give it a shot. Anything to add before I attempt? (yeah, it's 512, assuming I can find it). |
| 06:27.53 | Bsims | a package is a executable and/or associted librarys |
| 06:28.01 | litage_ | thanks jelly-home, didn't see the "+" option |
| 06:28.24 | Bsims | stoned: Heh I know but for a cute sound bite at 12:28AM it was close enough |
| 06:29.08 | jelly-home | litage_: yeah, it's a bit hidden |
| 06:29.12 | Wyzard | jdavis_: You'll be raw-writing a file to the flash drive's block device using dd, so be careful not to mix up your devices and accidentally overwrite your hard drive or something... that's something I had to be careful with on my laptop, where the hard drive is SATA so it's sda and the flash drive is sdb |
| 06:29.17 | stoned | actually not only lsa, but lsd was produced well before the 70s.. ANYWAY! I have to contact the maker of debian.exe its got problems |
| 06:29.27 | twobitsprite | does mutt automatically recognize new mail, or is there a key to reload/recheck? |
| 06:29.32 | insmod | Bsims: ah no it's not |
| 06:29.36 | Guerin | twobitsprite: yes. |
| 06:29.39 | Wyzard | jdavis_: basically, you raw-write the boot.img to the flash drive, then mount the flash drive and copy the netinst iso onto it |
| 06:29.45 | twobitsprite | Guerin: yes which? |
| 06:29.47 | jelly-home | ... oh my, "info tail" (or anything else from coreutils) still doesn't work? |
| 06:29.49 | Guerin | twobitsprite: both. |
| 06:30.06 | twobitsprite | Guerin: ahh... well, I just sent myself mail, and I don't see it |
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| 06:30.11 | Wyzard | jdavis_: btw, you mentioned ata_piix... does this system have an Intel SATA controller too? |
| 06:30.14 | Bogus8 | I'm trying to mess with Azureus .... I want to eventually have it on a headless/X'less machine |
| 06:30.28 | Bogus8 | I'm told it's better to set it up w/ the GUI then go headless |
| 06:30.46 | Guerin | azureus ... why? |
| 06:30.50 | Bogus8 | I'm just trying to understand what is the most basic stuff I need |
| 06:30.51 | Azar | Wyzard: I am sitting on line for my turn with a question |
| 06:30.55 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I don't think so... I think I was trying that before I realized it was JMicron |
| 06:30.58 | stoned | ooh, thats bloatware |
| 06:31.00 | Bogus8 | Guerin: because I like CLI |
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| 06:31.10 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I have an ASUS P5B |
| 06:31.11 | khaleel5000 | azeem: well each disstro has precompilted 'setups ' aaccording to its gcc and stuff = packges ( was away ) |
| 06:31.11 | khaleel5000 | azeem: so over look the reply-delay |
| 06:31.15 | Guerin | Bogus8: that's a good reason to not use azureus, ever |
| 06:31.16 | stoned | azureus is cli? thats java crap |
| 06:31.17 | Wyzard | jdavis_: OK... I was going to tell you to put the Intel controller in AHCI mode too :-) |
| 06:31.27 | Bogus8 | Guerin: then what would you suggest |
| 06:31.39 | Bogus8 | stoned: it can run as a CLI or web interface |
| 06:31.52 | Wyzard | jdavis_: The P5B Deluxe is the board I was considering before I changed my mind to the Abit AB9 Pro |
| 06:31.54 | stoned | Bogus8: what about rtorrent? |
| 06:32.02 | azeem | khaleel5000: sounds fine as an answer to me, just teach him that :) |
| 06:32.02 | Guerin | Bogus8: rtorrent |
| 06:32.03 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Ok, so it's gotta be USB then... or maybe network boot would work? |
| 06:32.04 | Bogus8 | stoned: I'm open to anything |
| 06:32.08 | jetx | peterS: it's not the nat/dhcp server's fault, it works in windows :/ |
| 06:32.20 | azeem | khaleel5000: otherwise, point him at http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 06:32.21 | Bogus8 | I asked a while back and everyone said azureus |
| 06:32.24 | Wyzard | jdavis_: It has P965 chipset like my AB9, so you probably *do* have Intel SATA in addition to the JMicron, just like my AB9 |
| 06:32.37 | Bogus8 | I used to use bittornado but it's not very supported in the torrent world anymore |
| 06:32.39 | stoned | Bogus8: rtorrent is nice |
| 06:32.42 | peterS | jetx: so what's the failure mode, then? what can debian do and what can it not do, on the network |
| 06:32.48 | jetx | azureus has a problem with making pictures of your interface and torrenting them out |
| 06:32.54 | Bogus8 | so I had been using Utorrent on a windos box and was liking it.. but I've converted that box to debian now |
| 06:33.09 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: really? How do I use the intel one then? Find another SATA connector? |
| 06:33.10 | stoned | Bogus8: is it going to run a gui desktop on it |
| 06:33.17 | stoned | append ? |
| 06:33.21 | Wyzard | jdavis_: If so, I'd suggest connecting the drives to that instead of to the JMicron... seems preferable to use the chipset's built-in SATA, and for the optical drive, it *might* solve the problem with the kernel not seeing the drive |
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| 06:33.24 | jetx | peterS: it's pebkac somewhere, just a file i need to amend i guess? |
| 06:33.24 | Guerin | Bogus8: i ran rtorrent serving 100G per day over a 100Mbit internet connection, about 30G on disk, for nearly six months on a p3-733 with 384MB which was also serving KDE sessions to my wife |
| 06:33.30 | Bogus8 | stoned: I don't want to have a front end |
| 06:33.31 | Guerin | Bogus8: it's harder than a coffin nail |
| 06:33.50 | azeem | Bogus8: how are some torrent clients "not very supported"? I thought what client you'd use wouldn't matter? |
| 06:33.50 | lkthomas | Guerin, woo |
| 06:33.52 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Ok, I'll look. |
| 06:33.55 | biatche | ldap-utils: Depends: libldap-2.3-0 (= 2.3.29-1) but 2.3.30-2 is to be installed |
| 06:33.58 | biatche | what do i do in such situations? |
| 06:34.01 | Bogus8 | Guerin: does it support "dead" torrents and such? |
| 06:34.07 | stoned | dead? |
| 06:34.09 | Wyzard | jdavis_: I'd take a look in the manual to see what SATA ports it points out |
| 06:34.12 | azeem | biatche: are you running unstable? |
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| 06:34.19 | biatche | yes |
| 06:34.21 | peterS | jetx: well if you aren't going to say what works and what doesn't, it's pretty hard to get a handle on the troubleshooting |
| 06:34.23 | azeem | biatche: you wait till that bug fixed |
| 06:34.23 | Guerin | Bogus8: it doesn't do DHT bullshit, if that's what you mean |
| 06:34.34 | Bogus8 | azeem: bittornado would have like 2-3 seeds/peers and utorrent would have 30+ |
| 06:34.35 | biatche | bug fixed... uhm :< |
| 06:34.39 | Guerin | or whatever that broken peer-tracking stuff is |
| 06:34.43 | azeem | Bogus8: hrm |
| 06:34.54 | insmod | Bogus8: qtorrent is ok |
| 06:35.02 | Azar | so Wyzard... regarding what we talked like three hours earlier: X no .dm what you were refering at about me not running .dm? screensaver and stuff? |
| 06:35.10 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I'm really not sure the terminology... I just know utorrent would find shit that the trackers didn't even have control of anymore |
| 06:35.11 | jetx | peterS: i can browse to the router's web interface, via 172.x.x.x but not beyond |
| 06:35.24 | jetx | there i went finally |
| 06:35.26 | Bogus8 | insmod: I shall check that out also |
| 06:35.29 | jetx | dual boot box |
| 06:35.43 | Wyzard | Azar: A common use for a screensaver is to password-protect your workstation so that others who walk by can't use it |
| 06:35.46 | danf_1979 | azeem, http://www.pastebin.ca/332730 |
| 06:35.46 | insmod | Bogus8: i am using it right now! |
| 06:35.55 | peterS | jetx: so first narrow it down to whether it's DNS or IP that isn't going through |
| 06:36.02 | Wyzard | Azar: but if you launched X via startx, you still have an unprotected login on one of your text consoles |
| 06:36.03 | Azar | Wyzard: remote, or physical access? |
| 06:36.04 | Bogus8 | azeem: the new trackers have moved in new directions and bittornado never kept up |
| 06:36.07 | Wyzard | Azar: physical |
| 06:36.11 | khaleel5000 | azeem: first i will have to tell him whats SSOURCE CODE , why m$ progs arent packages, why cant u use slak's source on debian , whats gcc . but will try to contrive , thankjs |
| 06:36.14 | khaleel5000 | thanks* |
| 06:36.30 | azeem | khaleel5000: keep it up! |
| 06:36.37 | jetx | Bogus8: research who own's utorrent btw |
| 06:36.38 | azeem | Bogus8: I see, thanks |
| 06:36.48 | jetx | google it |
| 06:36.53 | Bogus8 | jetx: negative |
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| 06:36.57 | jetx | you should |
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| 06:37.00 | Azar | Wyzard: ahhhhh well the chance someone gets physical with my Debian box is minimal: 1. nobody here never 2. would just steer at a screen with a picture on it, would not know how to use openbox |
| 06:37.01 | jetx | is my point |
| 06:37.04 | stoned | jetx: who? |
| 06:37.05 | Bogus8 | jetx: I just know it worked well and was VERY small |
| 06:37.25 | jetx | yes it was/is good |
| 06:37.46 | azeem | danf_1979: and what does apt-get install --reinstall courier-authdaemon say? |
| 06:37.50 | Wyzard | Azar: That's fine if you're aware of the vulnerability and are willing to accept the risk |
| 06:38.01 | jetx | bittorrent bought utorrent and bittorrent has a contract with time warner i 'think' |
| 06:38.13 | Wyzard | Azar: Security is all about tradeoffs, so there's nothing wrong with accepting a known risk in order to gain a benefit which outweighs it |
| 06:38.19 | Azar | Wyzard: second question what screensaver? I do not have one.. |
| 06:38.34 | jetx | k anyway |
| 06:38.44 | Wyzard | Azar: I don't see much benefit in not using a DM, but if you don't see any risk in leaving a text login open, then it can be worth it |
| 06:38.51 | Wyzard | Azar: xscreensaver or gnome-screensaver |
| 06:38.54 | Azar | interesting so a .dm is acting as a protection |
| 06:39.19 | Azar | Wyzard: I do not have any of it |
| 06:39.27 | Wyzard | yep, by not requiring you to log in on the console |
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| 06:39.47 | Azar | and I usually sit on my "user" X session with no bars, menus or icons... just a pretty picture background |
| 06:39.52 | sniffle | my default screen when booting is very small, maybe 640x420 is there anyway to change this? |
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| 06:40.19 | Wyzard | jdavis_: I just downloaded the P5B manual, and it says you should have six SATA ports connected to the Intel chipset... the JMicron controller supports one additional internal SATA port in addition to your eSATA port and your PATA |
| 06:40.35 | insmod | sniffle: why care it's booting |
| 06:41.12 | sniffle | insmod because im running a virtual machine and its going to run console most of the time |
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| 06:41.12 | sniffle | so it being stuck in a small form is a bit debilitating |
| 06:41.13 | Azar | I would assume only a linux savy person would find how to open openbox, get an xterm and try to login sudo if he can guess the password |
| 06:41.56 | Wyzard | Azar: Someone who wants to attack your system is either going to be, or hire someone who is, Linux-savvy |
| 06:42.07 | insmod | Azar: gah -- just reboot in single user :P |
| 06:42.22 | TimeX | I cannot start fvwm after installing x-window-system-core |
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| 06:42.29 | TimeX | same problem above |
| 06:42.43 | Wyzard | TimeX: That's because X still isn't running |
| 06:42.44 | insmod | sniffle: with lilo it was a param -- grub not sure |
| 06:42.46 | enouf | Wyzard: right .. and of the ICH8 4 sata-capable ports, only 3 are there (phsically) where they expect you to use the new Sil43xx(?) in conjusnction with the Intel ports (3 on intel, 1 on Sil) to setup the new wionderful RAID10 intel "Matrix" |
| 06:43.02 | Wyzard | TimeX: You need to start it, with "startx" or with a display manager (graphical login screen) such as xdm or gdm |
| 06:43.27 | sniffle | insmod heh my problem exactly, i know it in lilo, deb uses grub default |
| 06:43.31 | enouf | Wyzard: that 4th port (actually #2 on the Mobo) is split off to the Sil controller (of which has 2 separate ports, 1 for exh RAID type/use) |
| 06:43.43 | insmod | sniffle: ya |
| 06:44.04 | sniffle | ill just ssh to it, forget solving a problem, ill just use laziness ! |
| 06:44.22 | TimeX | Wyzard: I installed fvwm, can I start fvwm under console |
| 06:44.23 | enouf | Wyzard: I loooked a t a similar issue for someone else in another channel , but can't recall the nice docs I found (a mobo review) that outlined all this |
| 06:44.28 | Wyzard | enouf: I haven't looked into the "matrix RAID" because I use Linux software RAID, but the P5B doesn't seem to have a SiI controller, just the Intel and JMicron |
| 06:44.35 | enouf | Wyzard: and that was atleast a few days ago |
| 06:44.42 | Wyzard | TimeX: No, you have to start X, and run FVWM within X |
| 06:45.09 | enouf | Wyzard: I believe it was a P5 xxx-VM model that uses the 975x Chipset |
| 06:45.14 | hark | TimeX: what does startx do? |
| 06:45.39 | enouf | Wyzard: that's the thing I can't recall .. it was about a week ago |
| 06:45.49 | Wyzard | enouf: My Abit AB9 Pro (P965-based) has a SiI in addition to the Intel and JMicron... but the Asus P5B doesn't seem to, according to the manual |
| 06:45.53 | CompWizrd | enouf: this conversation seems vaguely familar :) |
| 06:45.53 | peterS | hark: it starts x |
| 06:46.10 | enouf | Wyzard: but as you say .. the ICH should handle the Optical Sata Drives .. I would think |
| 06:46.10 | hark | peterS: heh |
| 06:46.23 | enouf | CompWizrd: mr Ping?! |
| 06:46.26 | enouf | :-P |
| 06:46.30 | peterS | hark: seriously, that's exactly what it does. if you don't want X to start, don't run startx. |
| 06:46.34 | Wyzard | enouf: Anyway, the P965 provides six SATA ports, not four, so I don't see much need to use either JMicron or SiI SATA |
| 06:46.50 | enouf | CompWizrd: it occured in ##linux at that time |
| 06:46.59 | CompWizrd | ah, i don't hang out in #linux on any network though |
| 06:47.02 | TimeX | Wyzard: startx takes care of X server and fvwm takes care of the windows |
| 06:47.06 | Wyzard | enouf: I really have no idea why my AB9 Pro has a SiI controller for the sake of one additional SATA port when it already has eight from the Intel and JMicron |
| 06:47.12 | enouf | Wyzard: yes .. but the ICH is only capable of 4 IINM |
| 06:47.15 | hark | peterS: /lastlog Timex |
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| 06:47.46 | TimeX | hark: wut? |
| 06:47.46 | enouf | Wyzard: hardware buffoonery is all I can gether |
| 06:47.50 | Wyzard | enouf: I think the 4 is a limitation of the 975 chipset... both 965-based boards I've looked at (the P5B and the AB9) have six |
| 06:48.06 | enouf | Wyzard: ahh .. ok .. thanks for clarifting |
| 06:48.19 | TimeX | x is ruuning good and I click the mouse, there was a menu |
| 06:48.23 | peterS | Wyzard: interesting - 'cause it implements the AHCI spec which allows for up to 32 sata devices (: |
| 06:48.30 | Wyzard | TimeX: startx launches the X server and runs a program as the "session" -- that's typically a window manager such as FVWM |
| 06:48.48 | jetscreamer | peterS: pinging by ip is fine, it's the (dns lookup's?) doing by fqdn that doesn't work. i can ping my isp's dns server, by ip, but lookups seem to fail? |
| 06:48.48 | TimeX | but the char on the menu cannot be recognized, maybe it has something to do with my location settings |
| 06:48.50 | Wyzard | TimeX: When the "session" program ends, such as by picking "quit" from a menu, the X server terminates too, and you get your text prompt back |
| 06:48.56 | hark | TimeX: try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager, and make sure the wm you want is selected |
| 06:49.02 | enouf | Wyzard: lemmee see if Ican find the newegg image I was looking at .. |
| 06:49.22 | TimeX | OK, thanks hark |
| 06:49.23 | peterS | jetscreamer: so it's a DNS thing, check /etc/resolv.conf to see if you've hardcoded 192.168.anything for your dns servers |
| 06:49.40 | Wyzard | peterS: Yeah, but Intel's not going to stuff that much logic into a chip when most people will never need more than a few ports |
| 06:49.42 | jetscreamer | peterS: i did check, it seems to be changing dynamically |
| 06:50.04 | peterS | jetscreamer: is it using the correct IPs then? |
| 06:50.10 | Wyzard | peterS: Did you know that X11 supports up to 32 buttons on a mouse? :-P |
| 06:50.23 | jetscreamer | yes resolv.conf did change to the correct ip's |
| 06:50.27 | Azar | insmod: that what I use :) I was just curious about the topic, interesting, I was thinking that a .dm could rather be more vulnerable |
| 06:50.36 | peterS | Wyzard: I did not know that. I knew there was a limit of 5 buttons for one of its protocols, but XInput has much larger limits and perhaps that's what modern drivers use |
| 06:50.41 | CompWizrd | Wyzard: how many keys does it support on a keyboard? |
| 06:50.50 | Wyzard | CompWizrd: no idea |
| 06:51.10 | Wyzard | peterS: I don't mean drivers for PS/2 or whatever, I mean the actual X11 protocol, for communication between clients and server |
| 06:51.16 | peterS | Wyzard: that's what I mean too |
| 06:51.20 | insmod | Azar: i never said a thing |
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| 06:51.47 | Azar | < insmod> Azar: gah -- just reboot in single user :P |
| 06:51.51 | Azar | :) |
| 06:51.52 | Azar | ok |
| 06:51.58 | insmod | Azar: ah |
| 06:52.22 | peterS | Wyzard: I've done _very_ little programming at the Xlib level. I moved on to toolkits (Motif, Gtk) almost immediately |
| 06:52.39 | Wyzard | I've done none at all, just GTK and a very tiny bit of Motif |
| 06:53.09 | concept10 | peterS, c or python (with GTK) ? |
| 06:53.13 | peterS | I should say the same, really, the only things I've done with Xlib were type in example source and build and run it. I have read some of the xlib manual but I never used it for anything serious |
| 06:53.15 | Azar | oh my god what I just did and what I got!!! |
| 06:53.38 | peterS | concept10: mostly perl with Gtk. obviously C with Motif, but I didn't do very much of that |
| 06:53.48 | Azar | instead of typing http://www.google.com on the firefox address field I typed "Debian Etch Bugs" and guess WHAT? |
| 06:53.57 | Azar | the page came out |
| 06:53.57 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Ok, I found the problem. There *was* another option that I could put in AHCI mode. I must have looked through the BIOS 30 times before I realized those options were different. I set that and now it's booting. Still having problems with my network card, however. I think it's a realtek. |
| 06:53.58 | jetscreamer | it worked? |
| 06:54.00 | concept10 | I am starting my first GTK stuff with python right now |
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| 06:54.11 | peterS | Azar: firefox has this habit of noticing when you put spaces into a URL, and turns it into a search |
| 06:54.24 | Azar | peterS: that is so cool! |
| 06:54.27 | Azar | thanks |
| 06:54.32 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Did you see what I said earlier about your SATA ports? |
| 06:54.38 | concept10 | they make money from that |
| 06:54.38 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: there was an AHCI option under both "IDE Config" and "ObBoard devices config" |
| 06:54.44 | peterS | Azar: yeah, I've been doing the same in galeon for years now. if I only have one search term I put a space before it |
| 06:54.54 | Wyzard | jdavis_: According to the P5B manual, you should have six from the Intel and one (internal) from the JMicron |
| 06:55.04 | Wyzard | jdavis_: The JMicron also handles the eSATA and the PATA |
| 06:55.07 | Azar | yay!! supercool thanks for the tip peterS |
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| 06:55.17 | azeem | epiphany runs google even if you don't have spaces in it, but don't input a valid URL |
| 06:55.19 | Wyzard | jdavis_: OK, the "IDE Config" one would probably be the Intel, and "onboard devices" would be the JMicron |
| 06:55.21 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: oooohhh... the JMicron is there just for the RAID one I think... |
| 06:55.29 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Yup, that's it! |
| 06:55.34 | Wyzard | jdavis_: The Intel supports RAID too |
| 06:55.35 | enouf | Wyzard: yep http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025 < that's the one .. Yes, 975x (not 965) and ICH7(not ICH8) |
| 06:56.17 | enouf | Wyzard: nice pic .. showing all http://tinyurl.com/22ryqm |
| 06:56.25 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: ok. I think I either need to install completely from a full CD then, or I need to find out what driver supports my GigE. |
| 06:56.27 | Wyzard | jdavis_: In fact, the only RAID you can do with the JMicron is between an eSATA Drive and one internal SATA, because those are the only two SATA ports connected to the JMicron controller |
| 06:56.39 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Oh, weird. |
| 06:56.56 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: By the way, thanks again. You've been an amazing amount of help here. |
| 06:57.07 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Anyway, if you connect your SATA CD drive to one of the Intel ports, you might be able to avoid the need for the USB-stick thing |
| 06:57.15 | Wyzard | jdavis_: and I'd connect the hard drive to the Intel too |
| 06:57.27 | Wyzard | jdavis_: I just happened to go through all this about a month ago :-) |
| 06:57.51 | enouf | jdavis_: listen to what Wyzard is saying |
| 06:58.26 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Yeah, I've got them both on the Intel I think. The group of 4 SATA ports together. I didn't see the other 2, but I think I know which ones are the JMicron |
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| 06:58.45 | enouf | Wyzard: BTW ,.. Model is " ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP" on that one I just posted |
| 06:58.54 | Wyzard | jdavis_: should be 6, not 4, according to the manual, but whatever |
| 06:59.12 | peterS | jdavis_: you're trying to figure out what your gigabit ethernet is? |
| 06:59.34 | jdavis_ | peterS: Yeah, I think so. I think it's a realtek chipset, but none of the drivers loaded. |
| 06:59.47 | peterS | jdavis_: realtek gigabit usually means r8169 |
| 06:59.50 | Wyzard | enouf: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?Image=13%2D127%2D004%2D02%2Ejpg%2C13%2D127%2D004%2D03%2Ejpg%2C13%2D127%2D004%2D04%2Ejpg%2C13%2D127%2D004%2D06%2Ejpg%2C13%2D127%2D004%2D07%2Ejpg%2C13%2D127%2D004%2D08%2Ejpg&CurImage=13%2D127%2D004%2D04%2Ejpg&Description=ABIT+AB9+Pro+LGA+775+Intel+P965+Express+ATX+Intel+Motherboard+%2D+Retail is mine |
| 06:59.56 | Wyzard | argh, didn't realize that was so long, sorry |
| 07:00.03 | jetscreamer | holy fuxored url batman! |
| 07:00.06 | peterS | jdavis_: do you have linux up on the box now? you can find out what the chip is |
| 07:00.30 | jdavis_ | peterS: That's the first one I tried. Let me see if I can lspci it from the installer after launching a shell. |
| 07:00.36 | Wyzard | jdavis_: mine's r8169, but the manual for yours says it's "AI NET2 Marvell" |
| 07:00.42 | Wyzard | and I don't know what the driver for that is |
| 07:00.54 | peterS | jdavis_: I don't think lspci is available in the installer actually. but 'awk' is, we can use that |
| 07:01.05 | enouf | Wyzard: hehe .. why I use tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/yvmxec <-- that seems like the P5B that jdavis_ has |
| 07:01.21 | TimeX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:01.36 | enouf | 4 orange and 2 black ports grouped together |
| 07:01.38 | jetscreamer | you need a wm timex i believe |
| 07:01.50 | Wyzard | enouf: Thanks, I was about to look that one up myself :-) |
| 07:01.56 | jetscreamer | like apt-get install icewm or something |
| 07:01.57 | enouf | :-) |
| 07:02.16 | enouf | I did that with a newegg url about a wek ago .. that's how I knew :-P |
| 07:02.20 | jetscreamer | TimeX: the X is your mouse, right? |
| 07:02.25 | Wyzard | weird that it doesn't have the six Intel SATA that the manual says it does, but whatever... we don't need six in this case anyway |
| 07:02.36 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: He has fvwm95 |
| 07:02.39 | jetscreamer | o |
| 07:02.44 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: and was trying to run it without X |
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| 07:02.51 | peterS | jdavis_: specifically: awk '/10ec/{print $2}' /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 07:02.55 | jdavis_ | peterS: lspci worked, and it's RTL8111/816B PCI-Express gigabit ethernet |
| 07:03.17 | Wyzard | That's 8168, 816B |
| 07:03.22 | Wyzard | driver is "r8169" |
| 07:03.24 | enouf | Wyzard: the separated black port (ner the PCIe buses is what I think is the silly jmicron |
| 07:03.29 | karsten | Wyzard: tinyurl is your friend. |
| 07:03.30 | enouf | near* |
| 07:03.39 | peterS | jdavis_: r8169 claims to handle that chip, in 2.6.18 at least |
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| 07:03.50 | karsten | Wyzard: ... but you already knew that ;-) |
| 07:03.51 | Wyzard | oh... hehe, I forgot about that |
| 07:03.56 | enouf | karsten: that one caught your eye though :-) |
| 07:04.02 | Wyzard | jdavis_: 2.6.17 does not support that card, but 2.6.18 does |
| 07:04.13 | Wyzard | jdavis_: I had to put in a spare PCI NIC for my installation |
| 07:05.02 | jetscreamer | and the etch installers now have 2.6.18b eh |
| 07:05.02 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 07:05.03 | karsten | enouf: ayup. Was trying to sort who was spamming channel. |
| 07:05.04 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: only when RC2 is released, which is apparently not yet |
| 07:05.04 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Oh, I see. I should be able to find a workable nic then. |
| 07:05.04 | Wyzard | jdavis_: so you can either dig up a spare NIC, or wait for D-I RC2 |
| 07:05.34 | enouf | karsten: i did it (accidentally) last week too .. but it was a ## channel . so .. hehe |
| 07:05.34 | jdavis_ | Wyzard, again, thanks for the help. I should be able to take it from here. |
| 07:05.34 | peterS | jdavis_: hrrrm, sorry, I mean in 2.6.19. apparently debian's 2.6.18 is patched, because the non-patched kernel source doesn't show that ID in r8169.c |
| 07:05.34 | hark | TimeX: did you pick fvwm* when you ran update-alternatives? |
| 07:05.34 | Wyzard | jdavis_: good luck with it |
| 07:05.40 | peterS | jdavis_: anyway, debian kernel 2.6.18 r8169 claims to handle it. I don't have debian 2.6.17 handy to check that. |
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| 07:06.27 | Wyzard | I can attest that Debian's 2.6.18 definitely supports the RTL8168 NIC because I'm IRCing through one right now |
| 07:06.57 | jdavis_ | peterS: Thanks. If I can't find a NIC I can install from CD, transfer kernel source by CD, and then compile |
| 07:06.59 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah I was just thrown off because my debian 2.6.18-4 says it supports it but I didn't see it in the source code until 2.6.19. must have been patched by debain. |
| 07:07.10 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Don't transfer source, just get the 2.6.18 package from unstable |
| 07:07.48 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I am also trying to do amd64, will there be that package for the AMD64 target/ |
| 07:07.48 | peterS | jdavis_: right, I agree with Wyzard. if you can sneakernet a kernel image over from another machine (cd-r or USB stick or something), that'll work fine, if you already have an etch install |
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| 07:08.13 | Wyzard | jdavis_: I'm running it right now :-) |
| 07:08.30 | peterS | jdavis_: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 - download that |
| 07:08.30 | enouf | peterS: that RC2_mail earlier discusses the issue at the very bottom (jmicron) .. if you can pas along any info we all have gathered here may be helpful .. or maybe they already know |
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| 07:08.52 | jdavis_ | peterS, Wyzard: Ok, package it is. No need to compile ;) |
| 07:08.58 | Wyzard | jdavis_: but it'd be much simpler to just find a spare NIC (or go to an electronics store and buy a cheap one) |
| 07:09.07 | peterS | enouf: I thought you said 2.6.18 supports the jmicron already. in which case there's either no issue, or it's a different issue |
| 07:09.23 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: yeah, I think I might just borrow one from work tomorrow :) |
| 07:09.36 | peterS | jdavis_: well I pointed you to a web page, not the actual download, you have to follow a couple links from there. but anyway - have fun |
| 07:09.38 | enouf | peterS: it's supposed to be ficed upstream .. perhaps ot's just a patch for now |
| 07:09.43 | enouf | fixed* |
| 07:09.58 | Wyzard | The rtl8139 is a cheap and easy-to-find 10/100 card... it's good to have a few of them around as spares |
| 07:10.04 | jdavis_ | Wyzard, peterS: so the goal is to get a NIC, network install, upgrade using that package, and then I can ditch the old NIC? |
| 07:10.04 | TimeX | I installed x-window-system-core |
| 07:10.04 | Wyzard | They usually cost around $5 USD |
| 07:10.08 | Wyzard | yep |
| 07:10.10 | TimeX | But command user cannot run startx |
| 07:10.24 | peterS | enouf: also, why doesn't ahci.ko handle it no questions asked? it's easy to probe for an ahci-compatible controller, you don't need specific PCI IDs |
| 07:10.54 | peterS | jdavis_: I guess that's the theory. or if you have another PC sitting around, and a USB flash drive, I'd just download the image that way and plug the drive in and mount it and 'dpkg -i' the .deb file |
| 07:11.04 | enouf | peterS: good question .. way beyond me to answer though .. I'm just trying to follow along :-) |
| 07:11.21 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Oh, one more thing... the file /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules "remembers" your network cards by MAC address and assigns them names like eth0, eth1, etc. |
| 07:11.22 | peterS | enouf: I note that ahci _does_ have a list of PCI IDs, I just wonder why, since it shouldn't need them |
| 07:11.53 | Wyzard | jdavis_: After you install, the spare NIC will probably be eth0 and the 8168s will be eth1 and eth2, and those names will stay even after you remove the spare NIC |
| 07:12.01 | enouf | peterS: ah .. I see your point .. still I resign any opinion for now .. |
| 07:12.03 | Wyzard | jdavis_: so you'll probably want to edit that file to rename eth1 to eth0 and eth2 to eth1 |
| 07:12.07 | TimeX | when I use root to run startx, and there is only an X on the gray background |
| 07:12.32 | peterS | enouf: ...and the list includes the jmicron jmb363 (isn't that the chip you guys are discussing?) in vanilla 2.6.18 |
| 07:12.38 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: ok, that would have caught me off-guard |
| 07:12.52 | Wyzard | peterS: I think the JMicron is only special when it's in "IDE mode" so it has its own specific driver... when it's set to AHCI it has a different PCI ID and it's just generic AHCI |
| 07:13.02 | jdavis_ | Wyzard, peterS: Oooh! just found a NIC. I'll see if it works. |
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| 07:13.11 | enouf | peterS: yep .. JMicron JMB363 .. there's a (few) bug report about it as well |
| 07:13.38 | peterS | enouf: of course there's the strong possibility that the reason we're discussing this is that they don't implement ahci in a bug-free manner, so driver quirks are required |
| 07:13.53 | Wyzard | peterS: My 2.6.17 JMicron problem was that I couldn't use a PATA optical drive with the controller *not* in AHCI mode... I couldn't use it in AHCI mode at the time because that took a BIOS update that wasn't released until later |
| 07:14.04 | enouf | peterS: #407759 - JMicron CD controller on Intel 965 motherboards not supported by current kernel |
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| 07:14.33 | peterS | Wyzard: ah, I see. so it couldn't be put in ahci mode except by a bios update |
| 07:14.45 | Wyzard | right |
| 07:14.58 | enouf | peterS: quoted --> "Basically it is up to the kernel team to determine if this can be resolved for Etch. We've seen at least three recent reports though, so it is likely to hit quite a few users" |
| 07:15.01 | peterS | Wyzard: odd, I would have thought a chipset implementing ahci would not depend on the bios _thinking_ it implements ahci |
| 07:15.13 | Wyzard | I got the impression that jdavis_ had problems even with a SATA optical drive connected to a JMicron in AHCI mode, but I could be misunderstanding that |
| 07:15.36 | Wyzard | peterS: Well, no, it's effectively a completely different device in AHCI mode, with a different hardware interface |
| 07:15.38 | peterS | enouf: makes me wonder what a "CD controller" is. PATA? SATA specifically talking about ATAPI? |
| 07:15.42 | Wyzard | It's like you took out one card and put in another |
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| 07:16.00 | peterS | Wyzard: so that in turn makes me wonder why jmicron bothered with a legacy mode at all |
| 07:16.07 | peterS | i.e., non-ahci |
| 07:16.42 | Wyzard | same reason Intel does: AHCI is new and not well-supported yet |
| 07:16.57 | peterS | also, the AHCI spec includes a way to switch in or out of AHCI mode, in case you do want to implement a legacy mode, and a way to tell which mode you're in. at least I think that's what I recall from reading it |
| 07:17.00 | enouf | peterS: me too .. I "think" it's a sata cd drive in question, but maybe not .. I reviewed the bug report quickly, but came away with a funny odd looking blank stare |
| 07:17.20 | Wyzard | I doubt WinXP's installer would recognize an AHCI controller on its own, without a driver floppy |
| 07:18.03 | enouf | Wyzard: and indeed there -is- a fix for the windmills users .. from the newegg page itself no less |
| 07:18.05 | TimeX | user not authorized to run the X server |
| 07:18.06 | Wyzard | Intel's SATA controllers default to legacy ICH5-compatible mode, where they use the "ata_piix" driver and don't support any of the nifty stuff that AHCI does |
| 07:18.14 | Wyzard | (namely NCQ and hotplug) |
| 07:18.14 | TimeX | How to solve the problem |
| 07:18.56 | Guerin | !wayttd TimeX |
| 07:18.57 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, TimeX? |
| 07:19.08 | Wyzard | He's trying to start X and have it run fvwm95 |
| 07:19.16 | Wyzard | on sarge |
| 07:19.24 | Guerin | as root? |
| 07:19.29 | Wyzard | as a normal user |
| 07:19.44 | Guerin | using startx? |
| 07:19.50 | Wyzard | He started out trying to run fvwm95 from a console, and I told him he needed to install xfree86 |
| 07:19.52 | Wyzard | yes |
| 07:19.56 | peterS | Wyzard: count me in the camp of hoping everyone in the world just implements ahci sanely. then sarge will be the last debian system people can't install on their new hardware due to old kernels not being able to find the disk controller |
| 07:20.04 | Wyzard | so he has xfree86 installed, but possibly not configured right |
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| 07:20.18 | Guerin | TimeX: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 07:20.18 | Wyzard | Unfortunately I don't remember enough of sarge/xfree86's quirks to be able to provide detailed help at this point |
| 07:20.31 | Guerin | istr is Just Workin |
| 07:20.32 | Guerin | g |
| 07:20.33 | Wyzard | peterS: indeed :-) |
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| 07:21.47 | peterS | Wyzard: the dumb thing is that the world had a "standard disk controller interface" long before ahci. it was called PCI IDE. for some reason the Linux driver insisted on being able to recognise the _specific_ PCI IDE chipset, probably due to the developers having seen one too many data corruption bugs in random PCI IDE chipsets |
| 07:21.54 | Wyzard | peterS: btw, Lite-On now has a native SATA dual-layer DVD burner that you can get from Newegg for about $37... I bought one recently and it works quite nicely |
| 07:22.31 | peterS | Wyzard: if I needed to burn DVDs I'd think about it. but I don't, I don't even use my two CDRW drives all that often (: |
| 07:22.44 | Wyzard | I thought Linux did support "generic" PCI IDE, but just not with advanced features like DMA? |
| 07:23.09 | Wyzard | peterS: I don't burn DVDs often either, but it's nice to have an optical drive that doesn't have a ribbon cable coming out of it |
| 07:23.19 | TimeX | Guerin: yes |
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| 07:23.41 | peterS | Wyzard: it does, if the driver recognises your chip. check out the 'modinfo generic' command, note the list of PCI IDs |
| 07:23.45 | Wyzard | peterS: and now that I've finally figured out how get packet writing to work, I might start using UDF-formatted DVD+RW discs as big floppies |
| 07:23.54 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
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| 07:24.45 | peterS | Wyzard: I've never really felt cramped with my 256 MB usb flash stick thing, so I doubt I'll feel the need for "big floppies" larger than 700 MB.... |
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| 07:26.28 | Wyzard | same here... and if I want to transfer big files I just use the network |
| 07:26.29 | peterS | Wyzard: hmm - the 'generic' module does have a wildcard entry to find PCI IDE chips it doesn't already know about. I wonder why this doesn't allow sarge to install on _all_ IDE hardware.. |
| 07:26.29 | Wyzard | or put the files on my laptop and carry to someone else's network |
| 07:26.47 | Wyzard | and I have a 1.5TB RAID-5 array here so I don't need them for storage |
| 07:27.00 | Wyzard | but I have a spindle of DVD+RWs so I'll have to find *something* to do with them :-) |
| 07:27.16 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah, some people have tried using CD-R and DVD-R media for backups, but the size of modern hard disks makes that a bit of a losing race |
| 07:28.27 | enouf | Wyzard: fwiw .. if you happen to see th Review entitled "Fixed JMicron PATA Operation" (I think they rotate them, so some diggin may be necessary) here .. (again the P5B 965/ICH8) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131045 .. heh (20 out of 20 found it helpful) |
| 07:30.02 | Wyzard | interesting... so it needs a driver update in Windows too |
| 07:31.15 | Wyzard | Incidentally, on the topic of AHCI... I've read that hotplug is supported, in the sense that you can just yank the cable, so I tried that with my SATA optical drive when I got it |
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| 07:31.51 | Wyzard | The kernel handled it gracefully, aside from a warning message because there was a mounted CD in the drive at the time |
| 07:32.06 | Wyzard | but HAL didn't notice the change, and hal-device-manager still showed the drive as being present |
| 07:32.19 | Wyzard | so I'm wondering if the kernel forgot to generate a userspace hotplug event or something |
| 07:33.12 | peterS | yeah who knows |
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| 07:33.24 | peterS | nice to know the kernel didn't have a cow, though |
| 07:33.36 | Wyzard | yeah, it's pretty cool |
| 07:33.56 | peterS | did hal get a hotplug even when you plugged it back in? |
| 07:33.59 | Wyzard | It didn't complain when I reconnected it either, though HAL was still stuck so GNOME didn't notice CDs put into the drive anymore |
| 07:34.39 | Wyzard | I think I fixed it by restarting hald, though I don't remember for sure |
| 07:34.51 | peterS | does the corresponding thing work correctly for yanking out a USB stick or USB CDROM drive? |
| 07:34.59 | peterS | (I don't use gnome or hal so I can't easily check) |
| 07:35.02 | TimeX | How to kill x |
| 07:35.08 | peterS | TimeX: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 07:35.09 | TimeX | My xserver hang up |
| 07:35.09 | Wyzard | I believe so, though I haven't tried it lately |
| 07:35.14 | jetscreamer | ctrl+alt+bckspace timex |
| 07:35.22 | jetscreamer | left ctrl+alt |
| 07:35.29 | Wyzard | TimeX: If you have FVWM running, right-click on the desktop and look for a "quit" option... that's the preferred way |
| 07:35.31 | TimeX | peterS: won't work |
| 07:35.42 | hark | TimeX: you have to be less cryptic. What happens when you run startx? |
| 07:35.43 | TimeX | jetscreamer: doesn't work |
| 07:35.44 | Wyzard | TimeX: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace is the ungraceful, forceful way |
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| 07:36.09 | jetscreamer | using the ctrl+alt on the left side? |
| 07:36.10 | TimeX | hark: only grey background and a Big X show up |
| 07:36.15 | Wyzard | ooh, this is interesting... another review from that same P5B page on Newegg that enouf mentioned: |
| 07:36.21 | TimeX | Wyzard: nothing happen |
| 07:36.22 | jonaskoelker | with libsdl1.2debian-all, can I dynamically select the sound backend? How? |
| 07:36.25 | jetscreamer | TimeX: do you have gdm installed? |
| 07:36.29 | TimeX | jetscreamer: exactly |
| 07:36.32 | Wyzard | "There are a large number of problems with the Sound chip and it seems to vary with each and every board. For my board 5.1 Doesn't work. Side front speakers get routed to the center and rear speakers get routed to the Sub. Absolutely no way to fix it" |
| 07:36.34 | TimeX | jetscreamer: fvwm |
| 07:36.41 | hark | TimeX: did you run update-alternatives? |
| 07:36.42 | jetscreamer | TimeX: but do you have gdm |
| 07:36.58 | TimeX | hark: negative, bash told me command not found |
| 07:37.01 | Wyzard | I have that problem with the sound on my AB9 Pro and I thought it was a kernel thing... someone here told me it was fixed in 2.6.20 |
| 07:37.09 | hark | TimeX: as root! |
| 07:37.16 | jetscreamer | TimeX: the path for user isn't the same as the one for root |
| 07:37.25 | peterS | Wyzard: heh. I wonder if snd_ac97_codec.ko has a workaround yet (: |
| 07:37.49 | peterS | Wyzard: typically it's a sound chip problem that snd_ac97_codec works around by recognizing the specific mixer chip |
| 07:37.50 | TimeX | hark: it is root |
| 07:38.04 | Wyzard | nice to know it's a hardware quirk and not a Linux quirk |
| 07:38.05 | hark | TimeX: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager; select fvwm and then run startx as root. |
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| 07:38.07 | Guerin | TimeX: why are you not running debian? |
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| 07:38.20 | TimeX | jetscreamer: wut do you mean by user path ? |
| 07:38.29 | hark | TimeX: startx as user (sorry) |
| 07:38.29 | peterS | Wyzard: well I don't _know_ that, this is a guess. but it is why ac97_codec.c has functions named patch_cm9738(), patch_ad1886(), etc., etc. |
| 07:38.39 | jetscreamer | i mean the path |
| 07:38.40 | TimeX | Guerin: I am running right on the Debian |
| 07:38.50 | jetscreamer | the path for user isnt' the same as the path for root |
| 07:38.56 | TimeX | hark: user don't have authorization to run |
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| 07:39.08 | TimeX | jetscreamer: path to wut program |
| 07:39.15 | Wyzard | but it's kinda ridiculous if Intel's shipping all these shiny new P965 chips with such an obvious bug in them |
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| 07:39.34 | jetscreamer | anybody have a good definition for path? |
| 07:39.42 | hark | TimeX: check /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 07:39.49 | peterS | Wyzard: well, the sound/pci/ac97/ac97_patch.c source file, specifically. all kinds of good stuff in there for specific mixer chips |
| 07:40.01 | enouf | Wyzard: I only trust reviews so far .. (something like the distance one can shake a stick at them), but some can provide some insightful info sometimes .. Found the tech docs on P965/ICH8 and it does indeed support -6- Sata devices |
| 07:40.06 | TimeX | hark: I am rebooting |
| 07:40.08 | jetscreamer | TimeX: the 'path' is the directories that will be searched when you issue a command |
| 07:40.10 | hark | TimeX: wait, or better run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common |
| 07:40.30 | hark | TimeX: and make sure console users are allowed to run X |
| 07:40.30 | TimeX | hark: all right, as you wish |
| 07:40.31 | Wyzard | enouf: My board definitely has six Intel SATA ports |
| 07:40.51 | Wyzard | enouf: I think the P5B might actually have six in that corner, but only four are red, and the other two are black like the JMicron one near the back |
| 07:41.03 | enouf | Wyzard: funny, the 975x is supposed to be a "peeformance" chipset ,, but combined with ICH7 appears to support only 4 (not even sure at this point anymore0 |
| 07:41.13 | jonaskoelker | y'all know how people say "don't ask to ask, just ask". That doesn't seem to work in here (in my eyes) |
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| 07:41.32 | TimeX | hark: how to check if the common user have the right to run x |
| 07:41.39 | TimeX | which one should I choose, root only, console user or anybody? |
| 07:41.44 | enouf | Wyzard: right Orange(red) and Black .. i mentioned that earlier |
| 07:41.47 | Wyzard | TimeX: console users only |
| 07:42.01 | Wyzard | enouf: ah, sorry, I must've overlooked it |
| 07:42.06 | enouf | heh pee-formance |
| 07:42.14 | enouf | Wyzard: hety .. no biggy :-) |
| 07:42.19 | peterS | jonaskoelker: it does work. "can I ask a question about foo?" does not work, it doesn't do anything useful. if you just ask, you either get an answer or not get an answer, but asking-to-ask doesn't really change this |
| 07:42.22 | TimeX | Wyzard: done, and the nice value |
| 07:42.42 | hark | TimeX: console users |
| 07:42.43 | Wyzard | TimeX: use whatever the default is |
| 07:43.00 | jonaskoelker | peterS: when I come in here and ask a rather specific question, people don't answer. When I say "I have a question", people ask what it is, and answer it |
| 07:43.26 | jonaskoelker | peterS: ... at least that's what has happened the last handful of times |
| 07:43.50 | TimeX | Wyzard: and next? |
| 07:44.01 | TimeX | Wyzard: I returned to the bash again |
| 07:44.38 | Wyzard | TimeX: Start X again, I guess... you should have permission to run it now |
| 07:45.23 | enouf | peterS: sanity check http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/20/2 |
| 07:45.38 | TimeX | Wyzard: as user? |
| 07:45.38 | jonaskoelker | I have a question |
| 07:45.43 | Wyzard | TimeX: yes |
| 07:46.03 | TimeX | Wyzard: right, thanks |
| 07:46.18 | peterS | enouf: what is that? |
| 07:46.24 | TimeX | Wyzard: But I have nothing but a gray background and an X |
| 07:46.50 | TimeX | Wyzard: there was a menu poping up when I click the mouse |
| 07:46.51 | jetscreamer | try startx -e fvwm95 or something |
| 07:46.53 | enouf | peterS: upstream kernel http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/20/4 .. libata goodness and such |
| 07:46.54 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 07:47.06 | TimeX | jetscreamer: OK, as you wish |
| 07:47.13 | Wyzard | TimeX: If you have a right-click menu, fvwm is running |
| 07:47.18 | jetscreamer | or twm |
| 07:47.22 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 07:47.23 | peterS | enouf: that patch mentions devres which looks like a great idea but mainly as a cleanup, it doesn't seem to add any functionality |
| 07:47.26 | TimeX | Wyzard: only left click |
| 07:47.28 | Wyzard | TimeX: It just doesn't display anything initially... use the menu to launch some programs |
| 07:47.43 | jetscreamer | try icewm |
| 07:47.49 | Wyzard | TimeX: well, any click at all... I don't use FVWM so I don't know the details of its menus |
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| 07:48.04 | hark | TimeX: i don't think you've run that update-alternatives command yet, right? |
| 07:48.05 | TimeX | Wyzard: I use ctrl+ alt+ backspace, but the system hang up |
| 07:48.14 | Wyzard | TimeX: hang up in what sense? |
| 07:48.19 | TimeX | hark: right |
| 07:48.41 | enouf | bah peterS .. what the hell do I know .. it's mostly chinese to me right now .. but seems like progress |
| 07:48.45 | Wyzard | hark: He gets a popup menu on the root window in X, so *something* is running, presumably fvwm |
| 07:48.45 | hark | TimeX: well, if you want the right wm, atleast do so |
| 07:48.46 | jonaskoelker | what is the purpose of libsdl1.2debian-all? |
| 07:48.56 | hark | twm maybe |
| 07:49.17 | jonaskoelker | AFAICT, the stuff in /usr/share/doc/libsdl1.2debian-all/ is the same as in /usr/share/doc/libsdl1.2* |
| 07:49.20 | Wyzard | enouf: What is devres, out of curiosity? |
| 07:49.33 | enouf | Wyzard: good question :-) |
| 07:49.33 | TimeX | Wyzard: the upper of the screen is black, and the lower part is gray with dots |
| 07:49.33 | TimeX | Wyzard: I click mouse and keyboard, nothing responds |
| 07:49.33 | TimeX | hark: OK, it seems to require another reboot |
| 07:49.45 | enouf | !nfc |
| 07:49.46 | dpkg | methinks nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 07:49.52 | hark | TimeX: no, it shouldn't |
| 07:50.04 | peterS | Wyzard: resource management a bit like garbage collection - when one thing is freed (like a sata interface hot-unplugged) the IO memory ranges and such go away automatically |
| 07:50.13 | TimeX | hark: update-alternatives , would you tell me the whole command |
| 07:50.21 | TimeX | hark: my sys hanged up |
| 07:50.39 | hark | TimeX: /lastlog hark |
| 07:50.43 | Dembug | uber:/usr/bin# proftpd |
| 07:50.44 | Dembug | localhost.localdomain - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket |
| 07:50.49 | Dembug | Can anyone tell me what that means exactly? |
| 07:51.01 | Dembug | im wrestling with plesk on 3.1 sarge :) |
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| 07:51.05 | Wyzard | peterS: hmm, cool |
| 07:51.25 | Dembug | i'm pretty sure the problem is revoling around my /etc/hosts file, but how I don't know :( |
| 07:51.40 | enouf | Wyzard: peterS I somehow ended there when reviewing this thread http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/25/190 |
| 07:51.53 | enouf | about IRQ0 assingment or not |
| 07:53.24 | jetscreamer | wtf is /etc/issue for |
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| 07:53.57 | peterS | jetscreamer: it's printed at your console login prompt |
| 07:54.17 | peterS | jetscreamer: it can say things like "UNAUTHORIZED USE PROHIBITED", which is redundant but looks pretty. or use ansi escapes to print some art |
| 07:54.40 | enouf | peterS: motd stuff? |
| 07:54.41 | peterS | jetscreamer: the 'linuxlogo' package has perhaps the best use for /etc/issue |
| 07:54.46 | jetscreamer | that and motd eh? |
| 07:54.56 | peterS | enouf: /etc/motd is printed after you log in, so it's a similar but not identical purpose |
| 07:55.02 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:55.04 | enouf | ah.. |
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| 07:55.32 | peterS | see also /etc/issue.net which I think telnetd honors, for those 7 people still using that |
| 07:55.49 | Wyzard | My video card says it's on IRQ 169 |
| 07:55.56 | enouf | heh |
| 07:56.04 | enouf | remapped .. i'm usre :-) |
| 07:56.05 | Wyzard | I assume I can thank APIC for the fact that PCs are not limited to 16 IRQs anymore? |
| 07:56.10 | enouf | sure* |
| 07:56.23 | enouf | Wyzard: supposedly only 23/24 |
| 07:56.29 | Wyzard | still that few? |
| 07:56.44 | enouf | Wyzard: but virtuality is a wondrous thing I suppose |
| 07:56.54 | enouf | Wyzard: yep .. added another 8 |
| 07:57.06 | Wyzard | I guess if drivers can be expected to support IRQ sharing these days then it's not too bad |
| 07:57.13 | Bogus8 | anyone know if there is a way to auto start an app in XFCE and make it launch in terminal? |
| 07:57.19 | Bogus8 | I found the autostart application |
| 07:57.22 | enouf | Wyzard: atleast in the "physical' sense .. ain;'t no pro though |
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| 07:57.29 | Bogus8 | but it doesn't have an option for "run in terminal" |
| 07:57.38 | Wyzard | but I would think an "advanced" interrupt controller should support something like 256 IRQs, not a piddly 24 |
| 07:57.55 | Bogus8 | I want to launch conky -d and I need it to prompt me for my pop3 password like it does from the command line |
| 07:58.25 | jetscreamer | i get irq209 so it's not 23/24 i guess |
| 07:58.33 | enouf | Wyzard: I'm with you .. heh |
| 07:59.02 | enouf | read the apic spec folks .. I know I've seen it as such |
| 07:59.14 | jetscreamer | i just know i get irq 209 and such |
| 07:59.37 | Wyzard | ...and my laptop has just hard-locked :-/ |
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| 07:59.49 | Wyzard | It's been doing that occasionally lately... I hope it's not a hardware problem |
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| 08:00.26 | enouf | some info .. I could be mistaken , but |
| 08:00.28 | enouf | http://www.osdever.net/tutorials/mp.php?the_id=59 |
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| 08:01.05 | Wyzard | wow, that's pretty cool |
| 08:01.11 | jetscreamer | the output of route is different |
| 08:01.20 | Wyzard | I wish I had more time to learn low-level stuff like this |
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| 08:03.18 | incorrect | how do i apply a .diff.gz ? |
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| 08:04.11 | psyche__ | say your opinion about forbidden thing called "Vista" |
| 08:04.19 | Wyzard | incorrect: unzip it and feed it into patch |
| 08:04.21 | jonaskoelker | incorrect: zcat x.diff.gz | patch |
| 08:04.48 | Wyzard | psyche__: I had forgotten that the Vista launch was tonight because I was busy talking here in #debian :-) |
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| 08:05.56 | craigevil | had one of the invites to the launch of Vista but the closest location was a 3 hr drive |
| 08:05.57 | incorrect | thanking you |
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| 08:08.08 | kmap | What is the "Debian" way of running a script during startup, like rc.local on other distros? |
| 08:08.18 | enouf | welp .. maybe it was an earleir implementation I know of (or just xp related or somesuch, where at one time, another 8 sufficed) .. but anyway, I satnd corrected Wyzard and jetscreamer "Newer x86 systems integrate an APIC that conforms to the Intel APIC Architecture. These APICs support a programming interface for up to 255 physical hardware IRQ lines per APIC, with a typical system implementing support for only around 24 total hardware lines. |
| 08:08.24 | kmap | Is adding an entry to init.d and update-rc.d the only way? |
| 08:08.51 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 08:09.23 | Wyzard | so 256 entries in the interrupt table but only 24 hardware interrupt lines... that makes more sense |
| 08:09.24 | enouf | Wyzard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt_request .. yeah .. the other link wasn't clear about it (or too involved) |
| 08:09.51 | Wyzard | though my video card is a piece of hardware, so apparently the 24 lines don't necessarily have to map to IRQs 0-23 |
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| 08:10.30 | enouf | Wyzard: you're familiar with the cascade at IRQ 2/3 I'm sure .. to give the higher IRQs (9-15) more precedent |
| 08:10.43 | Dembug | oh ffs plesk is shite ;< |
| 08:11.18 | Wyzard | enouf: yeah, but that was just a hack to support more IRQs by connecting two PICs together, wasn't it? |
| 08:11.44 | enouf | Wyzard: yep .. |
| 08:11.46 | Wyzard | enouf: I know *of* it, but I don't know all the details of low-level PC design back then |
| 08:12.14 | enouf | Wyzard: I recall some bits and pieces I learned in earlier times is all |
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| 08:12.35 | Wyzard | yeah, some old Norton book |
| 08:12.40 | enouf | heh |
| 08:12.44 | Dembug | heh ;> |
| 08:12.48 | Wyzard | and "DOS 5.0 Power Tools" |
| 08:12.54 | peterS | Wyzard: then there's the PCI 2.2 (?) spec "MSI", message-signaled interrupts, which are interrupts implemented as regular PCI traffic, so drivers and devices that support MSI don't need actual physical interrupt lines |
| 08:12.58 | Wyzard | back when computer books actually taught fundamentals |
| 08:13.22 | peterS | though the PCI controller might still need at least one IRQ line into the APIC, I'm not sure how that is handled |
| 08:13.37 | enouf | and the amount and cost of RAM, made coders really streamline their code .. ahh days of yore |
| 08:13.39 | Dembug | :> |
| 08:13.51 | Dembug | i used to play prince of persia on the computers at almex when i was a kid. |
| 08:13.52 | Dembug | ;-) |
| 08:14.04 | Dembug | sometime ago now actually |
| 08:14.25 | Wyzard | peterS: I've heard of MSI but didn't know much about it... that sounds cool though |
| 08:14.43 | enouf | they make motherboards :-p |
| 08:15.01 | peterS | Wyzard: yeah the idea is to save a bit of motherboard wiring real estate by not requiring dozens of IRQ lines going into the CPU |
| 08:15.07 | Wyzard | peterS: so I guess the PCI controller uses one hardware interrupt that's shared by all PCI devices, and its handler reads the real IRQ number from the PCI controller and calls the real handler? |
| 08:15.15 | Wyzard | enouf: not that one :-P |
| 08:15.40 | peterS | Wyzard: probably. I don't know much more than I've already said. it only works if the OS and the PCI devices and the PCI controller all use it |
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| 08:16.12 | Wyzard | enouf: Interestingly, I have two AGP GeForce 6200 cards, one from Asus and one from MSI, and the MSI one is actually better |
| 08:16.37 | peterS | heh, MSI the brand name is not MSI the PCI standard (: but you knew that |
| 08:16.51 | Wyzard | The Asus one has noticeable ghosting at high resolutions, and doesn't support 1280x1024 vesafb for some reason |
| 08:16.54 | Wyzard | oh, I know |
| 08:17.16 | enouf | my bad play on our lovely acronym stew we swim in daily |
| 08:17.33 | peterS | Wyzard: so one vendor used a cheaper ramdac, and skimped on the VGA BIOS support as well. lovely. |
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| 08:18.13 | Wyzard | peterS: yep, and that vendor was Asus, who I'd thought was "better" than MSI |
| 08:18.47 | peterS | yeah I have no idea. I don't buy a lot of motherboards - I think I've only ever bought one raw motherboard, a gigabyte, and I'm still using it. before that I just bought a used PC |
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| 08:19.26 | Wyzard | I used to have a Gigabyte motherboard in one of my boxes |
| 08:19.31 | Wyzard | then I accidentally fried it by inserting a DIMM backward |
| 08:19.37 | peterS | I have no complaints with mine, actually |
| 08:19.53 | peterS | I don't use the firewire or the sata, everything I do use seems to work with no trouble |
| 08:19.55 | Wyzard | killed the board, the processor, and the SCSI card, but oddly enough, the RAM was undamaged |
| 08:20.00 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Hey, great news! I am debian-amd64 right now, talking to you over my GigE! |
| 08:20.06 | Wyzard | jdavis_: cool :-) |
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| 08:20.14 | peterS | and it's not like I require high-quality sound, with my $20 computer speakers, so the onboard VIA sound is good enough |
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| 08:20.56 | peterS | jdavis_: so the 2.6.18-4-amd64 r8169 driver found your chip, then. cool. |
| 08:21.01 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Now that was a fast install! And it asked me to update to 2.6.18 as soon as I booted. I did, I rebooted, grub picked up the install, and I DHCP my eth1 and here I am |
| 08:21.13 | yxa | hi i'm trying to create a root-only debian system using bootcd. instead of creating an iso, how can i burn the image into a ide-flash-drive? |
| 08:21.31 | jdavis_ | peterS: yeah, before that I was on my old NIC, but when I booted it asked me to get .18 |
| 08:21.40 | peterS | ahh |
| 08:21.40 | Wyzard | yxa: You don't "burn" it, you just partition the drive, mount it, and copy the files to it |
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| 08:22.12 | jdavis_ | peterS: got the .18, rebooted into the .18 kernel (which grub picked up right away), and now I can use my GigE card. |
| 08:22.15 | yxa | Wyzard so i would need to mount that iso? |
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| 08:22.30 | jdavis_ | peterS: You have no idea how impressed I am with Debian now. |
| 08:23.02 | peterS | jdavis_: nice when it works smoothly. and if you have a kernel that supports all your hardware, these days it's more often smooth than not |
| 08:23.24 | jdavis_ | peterS: I have been using debian a long time but it's been equally long since I installed it. Almost 8 years using debian on my desktop without reinstalling 'til today. |
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| 08:23.40 | Wyzard | yxa: If you already have the iso, yeah, you'll need to loop-mount it so you can copy files out of it |
| 08:23.41 | peterS | and you reinstalled in order to run native amd64? |
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| 08:24.00 | Bogus8 | is there a way to do an `xterm -e conky -d` and have it wait till conky has forked to the background before trashing the xterm session? |
| 08:24.03 | Wyzard | yxa: As for the flash drive, just partition, make a filesystem, mount, and copy, just like you'd do with any other hard drive |
| 08:24.03 | jdavis_ | peterS: exactly. Before that I would just "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 08:24.22 | peterS | right, cool. |
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| 08:24.27 | Wyzard | jdavis_: You should use aptitude rather than apt-get |
| 08:24.29 | yxa | Wyzard you sure copy will work? do i need to use dd or some block level writing? |
| 08:24.44 | jdavis_ | peterS: But this went so smoothly after you guys helped me with the hardware |
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| 08:24.50 | Wyzard | yxa: nope, just copy... those flash drives act like hard drives, so you use them like hard drives |
| 08:24.50 | peterS | yxa: nah it's just like he said. you partition the disk, make the right type of filesystem, mount it, then copy the files |
| 08:24.58 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: so aptitude is the new thing? What is it? |
| 08:25.11 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I've heard of it but not really used it. |
| 08:25.11 | blondie | apt-get > aptitude ;) |
| 08:25.23 | Wyzard | jdavis_: It's an alternative to aptitude that has an interactive mode for browsing and selecting packages |
| 08:25.25 | yxa | and how do i make it boot? i know just copying won't create the boot block |
| 08:25.41 | peterS | jdavis_: apt-get was intended to be a sort of demo app for the apt library - it wasn't originally intended as production code. it got very popular before any other apt-using programs were available. anyway, aptitude is like apt-get but more sophisticated. it has a command-line mode and a curses UI mode |
| 08:25.50 | iLLf8d | can someone software raid knowledgeable tell me what the scoop is if the host os partition or the mobo tanks? is it possible to then move the raid array to another machine? |
| 08:25.51 | Wyzard | jdavis_: but more importantly, it remembers the difference between packages that are installed because you want them to be installed, and packages that are just installed as dependencies of other things |
| 08:26.18 | Wyzard | jdavis_: so when you remove a package, it'll automatically mark for removal any other packages that are no longer needed because nothing depends on them anymore |
| 08:26.36 | Wyzard | jdavis_: great way to keep a system clean |
| 08:27.00 | peterS | jdavis_: so for example: 'aptitude install aaa' - it might pull in libaaa2 as a dependency, but it will remember that you didn't specifically ask for libaaa2. so if you later 'aptitude remove aaa' it will notice that libaaa2 isn't needed by anything anymore and remove that too |
| 08:27.33 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I like the sound of that. |
| 08:27.35 | peterS | jdavis_: this only works if you always use aptitude to install packages - if you use apt-get, those indirect dependencies don't get marked as such |
| 08:27.39 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Since you've just installed, now is an ideal time to do this: launch aptitude, and with the cursor on the "installed packages" heading, type 'M' to mark everything as auto-installed |
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| 08:27.58 | peterS | Wyzard: well not everything, everything he doesn't specifically want |
| 08:28.14 | Wyzard | jdavis_: aptitude will mark everything for removal... then go through the installed packages and type '+' on the things you want to keep |
| 08:28.24 | Wyzard | jdavis_: ('+' is "mark package for installation") |
| 08:28.54 | Wyzard | jdavis_: The result will be that aptitude will know which packages you want, and everything else that was installed by default, but that you don't want and isn't actually necessary, will be marked for removal |
| 08:28.58 | peterS | jdavis_: the curses UI (running 'aptitude' with no command-line options) takes some getting used to, but once you do get used to it it's quite nice. if you ever loved and hated dselect at the same time, because it had nice features but was annoying to use, you'll probably like aptitude because it has the same features (and more) but isn't as annoying |
| 08:29.13 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Press 'g' to review the list of changes to be made, and 'g' again to do it |
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| 08:29.35 | Wyzard | peterS: If you type 'M' on the "installed packages" heading, it'll mark *everything* as auto-installed |
| 08:30.10 | enouf | wait .. I wnet to heat some chicken soup .. what happened to jdavis_ 's Jmicron issue ? |
| 08:30.12 | peterS | Wyzard: oh I never tried that. no reason it shouldn't work, I just wouldn't have thought to do that. I have a lot of packages installed, I'd have to unmark a lot of them afterward |
| 08:30.13 | Wyzard | peterS: The standard installation doesn't have any auto flags, so I do this as a first step after installation -- flag everything as auto, then unflag the important packages |
| 08:30.39 | peterS | enouf: he hasn't said anything about jmicron, at the moment it's all about how 2.6.18 saved his christmas by letting him use his r8168 gige chip |
| 08:30.42 | Wyzard | It's easiest to do right after installation because there aren't many packages on the system yet |
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| 08:31.23 | enouf | peterS: right .. but we started at jmicron sata sontroller issues |
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| 08:31.49 | Wyzard | though it'd be nice if the auto/manual flags were understood by dpkg itself and not just aptitude, and the standard installation had them already set |
| 08:32.24 | jdavis_ | enouf: I plugged into the Intel SATA ports, and found a new option in my BIOS to set it to AHCI rather than IDE that was separate from the same option for JMicron |
| 08:32.36 | Dembug | Can someone help me :< for some reason proftpd wont start :< I'm used to using the old inet.d which is "approaching deprecation" im trying to start it manually in "ServerType standalone" but after running "proftpd" and "ps aux" nothing? any ideas? please ;< |
| 08:33.02 | peterS | Dembug: the usual thing to do is not run 'proftpd' by itself but run '/etc/init.d/proftpd start' |
| 08:33.11 | enouf | jdavis_: thanks for that update .. so pluging into ICH8 port, and BIOS AHCI "mode/on" |
| 08:33.14 | Wyzard | jdavis_: You're lucky to have a SATA optical drive... when I installed my system, I only had a PATA one, so I could only connect it to the JMicron where it didn't work |
| 08:33.16 | jdavis_ | enouf: then that worked like a charm. Then I just went with a cheapo spare NIC to do the netinst, then upgraded when I booted |
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| 08:33.26 | Dembug | peterS: mm, that is what i am used to, it is this damn plesk crap. |
| 08:33.29 | peterS | Dembug: but why is inetd deprecated? works fine for me for several services, always has, I assume always will |
| 08:33.33 | enouf | jdavis_: right .. I got all the NIC stuff .. |
| 08:33.55 | Dembug | Ahh yeah peterS I was just referring more to the fact that inet.d used to be there because there wasnt enough memory to run everything at once ;-) iirc |
| 08:33.57 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I see now. I actually picked up the samsung optical SATA from Fry's for $60... not a bad price (CD/DVD RW everything) |
| 08:34.00 | enouf | jdavis_: congrats .. so was it your HDD? .. or CD/DVD drive that was the sata issue? |
| 08:34.20 | Wyzard | jdavis_: $60 USD? |
| 08:34.21 | Dembug | Sorry, ive been up all night, not exactly making sense. |
| 08:34.32 | peterS | Dembug: it's also there to simplify my life. daemon management is a lot simpler, no worrying about how to restart something if it happens to die, etc. |
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| 08:34.48 | jdavis_ | enouf: both were SATA, which turned out to make things easier because the only PATA on the board was JMicron. By the way, JMicron is supported in 2.6.19. |
| 08:34.56 | peterS | Dembug: no worrying about restarting a service if I edit the config file. no worrying about restarting the service if I rotate the log files |
| 08:34.59 | Dembug | peterS aye I agree, if only plesk did *curses* |
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| 08:35.24 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Yup, $60 USD. It was marked $80, but the cashier rang it up as $60. I don't really know why, to be honest. |
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| 08:35.29 | Wyzard | jdavis_: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106046 |
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| 08:35.52 | enouf | jdavis_: I see .. but did the CD Boot and not find the HDD? or was it that the CD did boot , then the installer couldn't locate the HDD, or CD/DVD or both? |
| 08:36.15 | Wyzard | jdavis_: The first review shown is one that I wrote this past afternoon :-) |
| 08:36.16 | peterS | Dembug: it's true that some people see no need for inetd anymore and want to sort of get rid of it - but I happen to like it still, even if the original issue about conserving memory no longer really makes sense |
| 08:36.25 | Dembug | mm |
| 08:36.28 | Dembug | Me too duder |
| 08:36.33 | enouf | jdavis_: and that board has BOTH a jmicron controller AND a Sata controller? |
| 08:36.33 | Dembug | I use it on all my production servers |
| 08:36.38 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: well, you're obviously smarter than I am. |
| 08:36.47 | Dembug | peterS: its not uncommon for somebody to turn around and say "my servers broke" |
| 08:37.01 | jdavis_ | enouf: It has Jmicron PATA, JMicron SATA, and Intel SATA |
| 08:37.09 | Dembug | simple su /etc/init.d/proftp restart and there we go :D |
| 08:37.10 | Wyzard | jdavis_: nah, I just don't pay attention to optical drive makers besides Plextor and Lite-On, and I just waited for Lite-On to release a SATA DVD burner :-) |
| 08:37.11 | jdavis_ | enouf: ASUS P5B. |
| 08:37.14 | Dembug | localhost:/etc/init.d# /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 08:37.14 | Dembug | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 08:37.17 | Dembug | sigh :D |
| 08:37.23 | Dembug | at least i got the error :D |
| 08:37.35 | Dembug | before, just nothing. The advantage of init.d , like you say. |
| 08:37.36 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: are those brands good or cheap? |
| 08:37.45 | enouf | jdavis_: right .. thanks .. that's what I thought .. and now "which" device had previously been plugged into JMicronSata - the Samasung Optical? |
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| 08:38.21 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Plextor is expensive and calls itself the "King of Quality", and they do make good products, but they're not as great as they used to be |
| 08:38.34 | peterS | Dembug: your sentence is slightly confusing because I think you're confusing 'init.d' (as in /etc/init.d/proftpd) with 'inetd' (as in /etc/inetd.conf and such) |
| 08:38.38 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Lite-On actually has a very good reputation, close to Plextor's even though they're much less expensive |
| 08:38.39 | jdavis_ | enouf: probably everything. I was in a state of confusion randomly trying every combination of BIOS settings and drive plugs and bootable CDs |
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| 08:38.47 | Dembug | peterS aye :( |
| 08:38.48 | Wyzard | jdavis_: which is why I waited for them to release a drive like this |
| 08:38.57 | Dembug | i actually mean init.d , sorry. |
| 08:39.02 | peterS | ah, right |
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| 08:39.32 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: hmm... I wanted a drive right away and Fry's only had the one drive. |
| 08:39.32 | Dembug | peterS: it has been an all nighter, first i tried etch rc1 and Plesk and BOY THAT WAS A MISTAKE. |
| 08:39.40 | peterS | I don't know anything about plesk so I'll have to take your word for that |
| 08:39.40 | Dembug | peterS: just moving onto the 3.1 sarge backport i have here.. |
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| 08:39.57 | Dembug | peterS: ahh dude.. it's a nightmare.. dependancy nightmare. |
| 08:39.58 | Wyzard | jdavis_: Nothing wrong with that... $60 still isn't bad, especially considering that Plextor's is like $90 or more |
| 08:40.12 | Dembug | I bet a lot of the support is still in incoming/ , so sod that. |
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| 08:40.48 | enouf | jdavis_: funny thing is.. 1st thing I tell most when they have those types of issues (and usually they're IRQ related and the owner start passing kernel parameters like noapic, acpi=off, pci=routeirq and such) is to make sure they have ACPI, AHCI, and APIC enabled in the BIOS |
| 08:40.51 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: Oh, ok. I am so out of touch with hardware stuff right now. I h |
| 08:41.30 | enouf | jdavis_: without those .. many DualCore,and SMP/MP systems have issues even if they can boot |
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| 08:41.44 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: I think that's why I was scared to do a fresh install for so long. |
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| 08:42.12 | enouf | anyway .. congrats! jdavis_ .. enjoy :-) |
| 08:42.31 | Wyzard | jdavis_: That's understandable... Linux has a reputation (deserved or not) for not supporting hardware as well as other OSes do |
| 08:43.05 | Wyzard | jdavis_: These new P965-based systems work a lot better out-of-the-box than my previous desktop did when I built it back in 2000... |
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| 08:43.44 | Dembug | thanks for trying to help anyway peterS ;-) |
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| 08:43.54 | jdavis_ | enouf, thanks! |
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| 08:44.31 | jdavis_ | Wyzard: yeah, I think I installed my other desktop system with debain back in '99 or early 2000. That was very different. |
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| 08:45.04 | jdavis_ | Wyzard, enouf: I really have to sleep though. Thanks again for getting me going! |
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| 08:45.23 | enouf | .. me too .. soon will be zzzzzzzzz |
| 08:45.31 | Wyzard | jdavis_: You're welcome, and have a good night |
| 08:45.41 | Wyzard | yeah, I need to go to bed at some point too :-) |
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| 08:46.07 | enouf | you've been at it for a while now Wyzard .. time to take off that pointy hat :-P |
| 08:46.18 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 08:47.41 | hobbz | oh man, I've really missed debian |
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| 08:56.12 | SpeedyG | hey, i've got an intel 1Gbit Pro1000GT nic, but all lspci gives me is this: 0000:00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 107c (rev 05) |
| 08:56.15 | SpeedyG | can anyone suply me with correct output for an intel 1Gbit nic? :) (it's for an essay.. want it to look pretty ;) ) |
| 08:57.16 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: Those names are looked up from the raw PCI IDs (which you can see with "lspci -n") by looking in the file /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 08:57.37 | Wyzard | SpeedyG: You can run "update-pciids" to download the latest version of that file, which hopefully will have an entry for your NIC |
| 08:57.50 | SpeedyG | Wyzard: thanks :) I just found that out thanks to enouf :) |
| 08:57.55 | SpeedyG | and it did :) |
| 08:58.18 | enouf | SpeedyG: heh .. channel-hopper :-) |
| 08:59.02 | enouf | Wyzard: go to bed .. and use your other head on your spouse :-) |
| 08:59.17 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 08:59.23 | Wyzard | Unfortunately, I'm single |
| 08:59.27 | Wyzard | but I do need to sleep |
| 08:59.37 | Wyzard | so, goodnight :-) |
| 08:59.40 | enouf | Wyzard: hence, the remove the pointy hat comment .. nyuck nyuck |
| 08:59.57 | SpeedyG | enouf: yeah, thought #linux was a bit busy, so better try it here as well.. (busy channels make questions disappear like data in a corrupted i/o bus ;) |
| 09:00.02 | enouf | I am drifting away me self |
| 09:00.19 | enouf | SpeedyG: yep .. it was real busy here earlier |
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| 09:00.56 | SpeedyG | and I dont want to be distracted too long :) so i'll detach my screen again and continue the essay (has to be finished in 36 hours) |
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| 09:01.48 | concept10 | Could someone tell WTF is juice? I grew up on grape drink and my girlfriend keeps offering me apple juice? ? |
| 09:02.00 | concept10 | what is juice? |
| 09:02.13 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: I have a 1000sx intel adapter I think. |
| 09:02.16 | rumpl | Just some sort of fish |
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| 09:09.44 | dazgard | hi |
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| 09:18.16 | mcnaft | after having installed a compiled kernel deb package, how do you "uninstall" the kernel properly so it also gets erased from grub/menu.lst? |
| 09:18.37 | norc | mcnaft: you could just remove it from your grub/menu.lst by editing the file |
| 09:18.38 | norc | ;) |
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| 09:19.03 | Dembug | hi guys i am new to inetd.conf : ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd in.proftpd - does this look right? because proftpd is not running |
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| 09:19.25 | Dembug | i am spoilt and used to init.d doing this for me ;< |
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| 09:20.12 | norc | Dembug: looks good |
| 09:20.34 | norc | Dembug: are you sure about the `in.proftpd' ? |
| 09:20.45 | peterS | Dembug: if in.proftpd is in the default path inetd uses, which I think is mainly just /usr/sbin |
| 09:21.04 | peterS | Dembug: I'd expect it to be called proftpd rather than in.proftpd, but since I don't have it installed, how would I know] |
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| 09:21.36 | valdyn | +- |
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| 09:22.14 | Supaplex | apt-file :) |
| 09:22.18 | peterS | Dembug: errr, when I said 'default path inetd uses' I really meant 'default path tcpd uses' |
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| 09:22.46 | qwertz | Hi, how can I get the max number of open files a process can have and how could I changed that value? |
| 09:23.22 | Dembug | :> |
| 09:23.28 | Supaplex | qwertz: some /proc entries, and/or ulimit (man bash) |
| 09:23.49 | Dembug | localhost:/etc# whereis in.proftpd |
| 09:23.49 | Dembug | in: /usr/sbin/in.identtestd /usr/sbin/in.proftpd |
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| 09:23.55 | Dembug | Does that look okay? (sorry for paste) |
| 09:24.12 | peterS | Dembug: yeah if /usr/sbin/in.proftpd exists, you can pass just 'in.proftpd' to /usr/sbin/tcpd |
| 09:24.28 | Dembug | mmm for some reason inet.d doesnt want to start my proftpd up |
| 09:24.33 | Dembug | and init.d gives me a rather unhelpful error |
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| 09:24.53 | Dembug | which is "ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration." |
| 09:25.00 | Supaplex | *achoo*strace*achoo* |
| 09:25.12 | Dembug | already done it , but i suck :( |
| 09:25.14 | the_plumber | trying to get grub to be in a 1mb root partition (/dev/hda1) but after i run grub root and grub setup i get a ton of lines and an ASCII char with no boot |
| 09:25.19 | peterS | Dembug: so uh make sure proftpd is configured correctly, I guess |
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| 09:25.24 | Dembug | heh :> |
| 09:25.28 | Dembug | i fucking hate plesk :< |
| 09:25.31 | Dembug | excuse the outburst. |
| 09:25.36 | qwertz | Supaplex, thanks will have a look |
| 09:25.40 | peterS | this isn't an inetd question but a proftpd configuration question |
| 09:25.51 | Dembug | its possible ;) |
| 09:25.52 | Supaplex | ~toture plesk |
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| 09:26.03 | peterS | there's also the possibility that proftpd needs a specific command-line flag to tell it to go into inetd mode |
| 09:26.05 | Dembug | ahhh that sounds believable |
| 09:26.08 | Supaplex | or something in /etc/default/ |
| 09:26.10 | peterS | many programs auto-detect that they are being run by inetd, but not all do |
| 09:26.16 | the_plumber | anyone know what im doing wrong? I have my stage files setup correctly and menu.1st is pointed to my deb kernels on (hd0,1) |
| 09:26.29 | Supaplex | hda2? |
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| 09:26.36 | the_plumber | yah |
| 09:26.37 | Dembug | I'm not sure what the bloody hell is wrong :( tbh peters, its either the plesk-proftpd package, something to do with dpkg-config, a service isssue.. ahh hthe list goes on |
| 09:26.41 | the_plumber | yeah hda2 |
| 09:26.49 | the_plumber | want hda1 for grub |
| 09:27.12 | Supaplex | nopaste it |
| 09:27.14 | the_plumber | i get this crap all the time when i try to clone anything containing grub |
| 09:27.16 | peterS | Dembug: yeah I'd check the proftpd config file to see what can be done. also 'man in.proftpd' to see which command-line flags exist that might be interesting |
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| 09:27.29 | Dembug | peterS: thanks dude |
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| 09:27.44 | the_plumber | only thing nice about lilo is its simplicity |
| 09:28.23 | Dembug | No manual entry for in.proftpd |
| 09:28.24 | the_plumber | do you -need- a kernel in the same paritition that grub resides on? |
| 09:28.25 | Dembug | uaua |
| 09:28.27 | Dembug | *haha |
| 09:29.00 | the_plumber | grub just shuttles out to whatever right? |
| 09:29.18 | Supaplex | no need for a /boot partition (on modern machines) |
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| 09:29.40 | Supaplex | shuttles out to .. yea, that's a clear as mud. |
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| 09:29.51 | Supaplex | try the debian wiki? |
| 09:29.59 | Dembug | Right it's not the proftpd.conf im sure of it ;-) |
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| 09:30.07 | Dembug | i just suck :) thx for the help, nn |
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| 09:31.34 | the_plumber | Supaplex: so i made a 1mb /dev/hda1 part (ext2) and copied stage* files to it (1 and 2), copied menu.1st to it after i editted it to tell it where the kernel/system parition is (/dev/hda2), ran grub (root (hd0,0), setup(hd0)), says it found its stage files but it will not boot |
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| 09:31.44 | zhou_rock | ... |
| 09:31.56 | Dembug | before I go, 111/inetutils-inet |
| 09:31.56 | Dembug | tcp6 0 0 :::21 :::* LISTEN 2 |
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| 09:32.10 | Dembug | what is this "inetutils-inet"? |
| 09:32.54 | the_plumber | Supaplex: do i need to put a kernel in the boot loader partition? |
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| 09:33.34 | Supaplex | the_plumber: afaik, no. |
| 09:33.53 | Supaplex | the_plumber: is /boot its own partition on your machine? |
| 09:34.00 | the_plumber | Supaplex: yes |
| 09:34.26 | the_plumber | Supaplex: (hd0,0)/boot |
| 09:34.36 | the_plumber | Supaplex: has stage files and menu.1st also |
| 09:34.39 | Supaplex | grub's reference to root is the partition it's loading the kernel from |
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| 09:34.55 | Supaplex | the kernel's reference to rootfs etc is another mater. |
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| 09:35.10 | the_plumber | but what if there are different kernels? (win+lin) |
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| 09:36.05 | the_plumber | Supaplex: doesnt grub just use the menu.1st config to find the kernels? |
| 09:36.49 | Supaplex | the_plumber: http://rafb.net/p/eo0qfv11.html |
| 09:37.05 | Supaplex | that's mine. my /boot and / are on the same part. |
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| 09:38.13 | Miesco | Guerin? |
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| 09:40.21 | Supaplex | the_plumber: btw, lines with one # affect update-grub, lines with two ## are ignored. |
| 09:40.29 | the_plumber | Supaplex: cool, i guess what im trying to figure out is can you just have a boot partition and windows (without the linux?).... does grub -rely- on having a linux kernel? |
| 09:40.49 | Supaplex | no, it don't care |
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| 09:41.41 | Supaplex | but why? :) |
| 09:41.42 | the_plumber | Supaplex: cool.... then i am not getting grub into the mbr correctly then, because it is not booting, just showing me lines then it stops at an asci char |
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| 09:42.05 | Supaplex | yea, sounds like it wasn't installed correctly. |
| 09:42.20 | Supaplex | I'm spoiled, because it never breaks for me. works the first setup every time. |
| 09:42.35 | the_plumber | i have so many machines right now....... backing up my jukebox |
| 09:43.28 | the_plumber | all my servers are lilo so its pretty easy to clone, plus the machine im setting up will be just for fun old OS crap (old dos and wfw |
| 09:43.40 | the_plumber | wfw on a 2.6 gig proc |
| 09:43.48 | the_plumber | thats laughable |
| 09:45.12 | the_plumber | Supaplex: so what does gubs "root" command description of -the- kernel be if its not a linux kernel? |
| 09:45.30 | Supaplex | immaterial |
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| 09:46.29 | Supaplex | does windows have a root= from grub? bzzt. hello chainloader. |
| 09:46.56 | Supaplex | the top of the menu.lst has lots of good reading to |
| 09:47.27 | the_plumber | yeah i checked that link, gotta get back to in a sec, rebooting systemrescuecd |
| 09:48.16 | the_plumber | stup ascii char smiling at me, im inclined to bash its head in |
| 09:49.01 | Supaplex | oh, so the menu is missing. |
| 09:49.15 | Supaplex | try menu [TAB][TAB][TAB] |
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| 09:49.37 | the_plumber | yeah |
| 09:49.50 | the_plumber | oh its more than that |
| 09:49.55 | Supaplex | anything? |
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| 09:50.46 | jetscreamer | peterS: if you're still awake, it was the firewall |
| 09:51.10 | peterS | jetscreamer: I told you to blame the one thing you changed! (: |
| 09:51.16 | jetscreamer | on my computer not the nat/router/dsl modem's |
| 09:51.17 | Supaplex | speaking of awake, I shal retire. |
| 09:51.23 | peterS | oh, that firewall. nice. |
| 09:51.55 | Supaplex | the_plumber: good luck. I'm outies. |
| 09:52.11 | the_plumber | Supaplex: thx man |
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| 09:53.53 | Supaplex | hehe, whois me |
| 09:55.47 | jetscreamer | course it wasn't until after i reinstalled a fresh debian that i thought about it |
| 09:56.30 | dusty_ | Hey guys, I have a draytek vigor 2800G router, and I want to configure my debian box as the server that connects to the internet.. so really i want to plug the router into one nic on the linux box, have it pass the internet ip to the linux box and use the linux box as the router with iptables, how would i go about configuring the router to pass the ip to the network interface on the linux box? |
| 09:56.44 | jetscreamer | brbbl |
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| 10:00.13 | streuner | dusty_: why not just use the router iself (Draytek) as router? |
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| 10:01.15 | streuner | dusty_: You want use Draytek Router only as modem and use the linux box as router, right? |
| 10:01.26 | dusty_ | That is correct. |
| 10:01.31 | dusty_ | As I prefer the linux box to do the routing. |
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| 10:04.13 | streuner | you can, of course, disable LAN/IP routing in the Router itself, plus DHCP as well, if the Draytek works as modem only then its another question :-) |
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| 10:04.56 | dusty_ | streuner, Hrm, any ideas how to do that |
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| 10:05.43 | streuner | did you read draytek's manual? ;-) |
| 10:05.53 | dusty_ | I don't have it, downloading it now. |
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| 10:08.11 | lokip_93 | hi |
| 10:08.17 | lokip_93 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:08.44 | norc | lokip_93: google.. |
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| 10:09.58 | sxpert-work | lokip_93: imho, you're screwed |
| 10:10.15 | lokip_93 | tought so.... |
| 10:10.46 | norc | lokip_93 |
| 10:10.49 | norc | http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
| 10:10.56 | norc | "Your only hope is to "grep" for parts of your files that have been deleted and hope for the best." |
| 10:11.59 | lokip_93 | ya..thanks |
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| 10:12.11 | norc | lokip_93: there was a tool .. from dd to recover lost data .. |
| 10:12.17 | norc | oh well |
| 10:12.26 | norc | lunaphyte: never mind.. |
| 10:12.32 | signius | Dusty if you have some public IP address just allow all traffic through the Draytek give the linux box a public IP address and do it that way thought to be honest it sounds like a fucked up way to do things although the way draytek firewalls work are a bit awkward they do work very well i would stick to using the draytek but its your choice i guess |
| 10:14.01 | signius | Dusty if you going to do things that way seems like a complete waste of money to have paid for a 2800 IMHO you could have just bought a real cheap ADSL modem and done it the way your trying to do it now which would have been the proper way to do it |
| 10:14.26 | danf_1979 | Is there any docs I could read to be able to repartition debian remotely? |
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| 10:16.52 | Diamond | hellow |
| 10:17.59 | Diamond | i made a mistake i did chmod -R 777 /bin/ :/ must i change that back to original ? |
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| 10:19.04 | Diamond | thats not good i suppose does anyone knows that default rights for that dir ? |
| 10:19.21 | dusty-sts | Hey streuner, I read the manual, and have setup the router into bridge mode, now i need to configure the debian box to do the PPPoA/PPPoE login, any ideas how I would go about doing that |
| 10:19.22 | dusty-sts | ? |
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| 10:20.14 | streuner | dusty_: well, do you have pppoeconfig installed? |
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| 10:20.37 | Mavez-San | !ironmaiden |
| 10:20.37 | dpkg | methinks ironmaiden is the best band |
| 10:20.37 | Miko-Chan | FEAR OF THE DARK!!! |
| 10:20.43 | Mavez-San | yes |
| 10:21.00 | Diamond | someone ? |
| 10:21.39 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 10:21.39 | Miko-Chan | If you spell Jack Bauer in a Scrabble game, you win. Forever. |
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| 10:21.41 | Polleke | I updated my dedicated box (ie. no console access) to kernel-image-2.4.27-10sarge1 and grub0.95+cvs20040624-17sarge1. It failed to came back online after the recommeneded reboot. The support desk reported "Your server keeps on rebooting itself at the load of the debian image.". IS this a known thing with these updates? |
| 10:22.26 | streuner | known in BTS prolly... |
| 10:23.17 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 10:23.17 | Miko-Chan | The Black Eyed Peas were just The Peas until Jack Bauer heard their music. |
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| 10:30.07 | dusty-sts | streuner, No I don't have it installed. I am in the UK too, so we don't use PPPoE I have to use PPPoA, any ideas? |
| 10:30.23 | dusty-sts | streuner, Is it just configuring PPPoA (pppd) as normal? |
| 10:30.32 | jetscreamer | <S>treuner---> |
| 10:31.02 | dusty-sts | ? |
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| 10:33.55 | zoddan | hi i need some quick help, what do i type to show the connected IDE devices? |
| 10:33.59 | zoddan | ex CD-ROM |
| 10:34.17 | petemc | you can look in dmesg for a start |
| 10:34.31 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 10:34.32 | Miko-Chan | Jack Bauer wasn't born, he was unleashed. |
| 10:34.53 | petemc | zoddan: also hwinfo might tell you something |
| 10:35.40 | zoddan | well i need to know where the device is so i can mount it |
| 10:35.49 | petemc | dmesg |grep hd |
| 10:36.18 | zoddan | not HD :P |
| 10:36.19 | zoddan | CD-rom |
| 10:36.24 | diskus | well if it's primary master then it's hda, if primary secondary hdb, secondary mastery hdc... |
| 10:36.54 | zoddan | ok |
| 10:37.19 | zoddan | it is a external controler |
| 10:37.57 | streuner | dusty-sts: no idea, just google for an HOWTO about |
| 10:38.20 | petemc | zoddan: did you look at hwinfo yet? |
| 10:38.25 | diskus | zoddan: does you're dmesg even show your external controller? |
| 10:38.43 | zoddan | well i didnt have time to fix it so im just connectin another device |
| 10:38.45 | zoddan | thanks anywayu |
| 10:38.59 | petemc | ... |
| 10:39.48 | zoddan | petemc: i said, quick, the server must go NOW |
| 10:39.55 | zoddan | so we are solving it in a temp way |
| 10:40.13 | streuner | dusty-sts: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LinuxPPPoA , just try the "Configuration" section |
| 10:40.16 | petemc | you didnt try any of the advice given to you, so i dont see why you asked |
| 10:41.23 | zoddan | yes i did |
| 10:41.32 | zoddan | not working, linux does not support the external controler |
| 10:41.36 | zoddan | so, thanks anyway |
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| 10:42.49 | dusty-sts | streuner, thanks will take a look. |
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| 10:43.59 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 10:43.59 | Miko-Chan | When you open a can of whoop-ass, Jack Bauer jumps out. |
| 10:44.15 | streuner | dusty-sts: PPPoA support is in every official kernel (pppoatm) |
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| 10:46.01 | jetscreamer | Bruce Schneier kicked jack bauer's ass |
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| 10:46.45 | Mavez-San | no wai |
| 10:46.47 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 10:46.48 | Miko-Chan | Jack Bauer played Russian Roulette with a fully loaded gun and won. |
| 10:47.07 | scx | Anyone remembers about a problem I had installing in a usb stick ? |
| 10:47.19 | Mavez-San | installing? |
| 10:47.23 | Mavez-San | loel |
| 10:47.55 | scx | I did: modprobe -r ehci_hcd |
| 10:48.09 | scx | and then the installer finally worked |
| 10:48.17 | Eclipser | installer? |
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| 10:48.31 | scx | just wanted to communicate it in case soemeone else needs it |
| 10:48.59 | Eclipser | there generally aren't any installers associated with those |
| 10:49.23 | scx | yes, the kernel refused to dinstall my usb stick: usb 4-9:device not accepting address 10, error -71 |
| 10:49.49 | jetscreamer | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/bruce-schneier-facts |
| 10:49.59 | scx | scuse moi, I have keyboard flu |
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| 10:52.10 | scx | perturbating... |
| 10:53.05 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 10:53.06 | Miko-Chan | When Jack Bauer plays dodgeball, the ball dodges Jack Bauer. |
| 10:55.18 | dusty-sts | streuner, hrm, ok. Followed that tutorial, and did everything it asks, but when I run ./ppp_on_boot I get the following in /var/log/messages: pppoatm.so loaded. Kernel: PPP Generic driver version 2.4.2 pppd[7088]: pppd 2.4.4. started by root uid 0. pppd[7088]: Exit. |
| 10:59.25 | Mavez-San | !tyme |
| 10:59.25 | Miko-Chan | Tue, 30 Jan 2007 11:02:17 |
| 10:59.42 | nvz | Miko-Chan: you are really gonna have to stop that now |
| 10:59.57 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 10:59.58 | nvz | er Mavez-San |
| 10:59.58 | Miko-Chan | If you spell Jack Bauer in a Scrabble game, you win. Forever. |
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| 11:00.11 | Mavez-San | nvz luls |
| 11:00.27 | nvz | ~ops Mavez-San && Miko-Chan |
| 11:00.30 | apt | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Mavez-San && Miko-Chan |
| 11:00.36 | Mavez-San | !jb |
| 11:00.36 | Miko-Chan | Jack Bauer sleeps with a pillow under his gun. |
| 11:00.37 | buscon | Hi, I need a network monitor and graphing tool, like cacti or mrtg: what do you advise? |
| 11:00.59 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
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| 11:01.00 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 11:01.09 | petemc | thank fuck for that |
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| 11:01.15 | nvz | heh |
| 11:01.38 | azeem | !hi |
| 11:01.39 | dpkg | hello, azeem |
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| 11:02.40 | scx | how can I make the bot to respond that way? |
| 11:02.51 | scx | I mean adding a variable, |
| 11:03.06 | azeem | scx: you say "dpkg: foo is [...]" |
| 11:03.07 | scx | can bee done for me or I need acces to the bot's source? |
| 11:03.24 | jetscreamer | can be |
| 11:03.29 | scx | azeem: :) thanks |
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| 11:03.36 | vaio | anyone know the all time largest number of participants on #debian ? |
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| 11:03.46 | graytron | 42 |
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| 11:04.00 | vaio | but they limit the connecyions |
| 11:04.06 | jetscreamer | there's a stat page somewhere but i forget the addy |
| 11:04.07 | nvz | vaio: debstats.dontexist.org |
| 11:04.11 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 11:04.13 | azeem | scx: everybody can contribute it, but some people might get banned from it if they abuse it |
| 11:04.14 | vaio | more than 42 |
| 11:04.16 | nevele | was wondering if someone could paste me their sources.list for etch? seems my mirror is having issues.. |
| 11:04.25 | graytron | the others were idling |
| 11:04.26 | nvz | vaio: the eggdrop bot changes the limit automatically |
| 11:04.30 | vaio | 42 is the wrong answer |
| 11:04.30 | valdyn | nevele: so use a different mirror |
| 11:04.34 | nevele | or, a url where they are listed |
| 11:04.36 | nvz | vaio: its to stop join flooding |
| 11:04.43 | vaio | ah |
| 11:04.47 | scx | azeem: sure, I just wanted to know, but that doesn't tellsme how |
| 11:04.48 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 11:04.55 | nvz | vaio: 42 is never the wrong answer, its the answer to the meaning of life, the universe, and everything |
| 11:05.04 | nvz | vaio: get your facts straight |
| 11:05.06 | nevele | valdyn : where is an up to date list? |
| 11:05.14 | scx | azeem: I know about !remember and <reply> just dunno how to add a variable |
| 11:05.22 | vaio | nvz: that wasn't the question i asked |
| 11:05.24 | valdyn | nevele: ftp.<cc>.debian.org |
| 11:05.31 | vaio | i was very specific |
| 11:05.32 | valdyn | nevele: cc = 2 letter country code |
| 11:05.48 | jetscreamer | scx something about CMD |
| 11:06.17 | scx | cmd? |
| 11:06.19 | azeem | scx: what kind of variable? |
| 11:06.25 | jetscreamer | yeh someting like that |
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| 11:07.07 | vaio | scx: 42 |
| 11:07.17 | scx | i.e.: !shoot azeem ---> *dpkg kills azeem |
| 11:07.40 | nvz | scx: $who, $1 |
| 11:07.50 | scx | ah! |
| 11:07.54 | Raging_Hog | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.54 | nvz | !literal cmd: yinzersmite (.*?) |
| 11:07.55 | dpkg | "cmd: yinzersmite (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (runsover $1, wif an ambleelunce gowen a hunnert mallanahr.|pooshes $1 aht da winda an yells "chawt dahnere". |pahds $1 fer behavin like an ig'nent yinzer.|rode $1 dahntahn ta go gall-a-vantin' da norside wif a Gian Iggle buggy like da rest of da bums.|pinches $1 fer hawkin' stoled Stiller's tickets.|rilly wisht $1 conjagated sharn once in awhile.|$1: yinz a jagoff)" |
| 11:08.11 | nevele | valdyn : http://pastie.caboo.se/36680 this is what i have now.. i think i need a bit more info on syntax than that... |
| 11:08.15 | scx | what is $1 ? reply one? |
| 11:08.27 | scx | so $2 is a variation of the reply? |
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| 11:08.33 | nvz | scx: I programmed it saying dpkg, yinzersmite $1 is .. blah |
| 11:08.40 | nevele | valdyn : i can keep the rest of the syntax the same? |
| 11:08.44 | nvz | scx: has to be called with an argument $1 |
| 11:08.50 | nvz | !yinzersmite scx |
| 11:09.01 | scx | ah, ok |
| 11:09.02 | nvz | scx: $who is who called the factoid |
| 11:09.09 | nevele | valdyn : sorry, a bit new to debian.. normally on gentoo, this is anothers machine.. |
| 11:09.25 | vaio | when did dpkg become a jewish mother ? |
| 11:09.27 | valdyn | nevele: if you current mirror looks like this, yes |
| 11:09.42 | scx | yah, I can guess the $who |
| 11:10.05 | vaio | i never call her |
| 11:10.10 | valdyn | nevele: if your current mirror follow this pattern, just change cc |
| 11:10.14 | scx | what is it btw? python? |
| 11:10.16 | nevele | valdyn : and if i am in the US, would i most likely want a mirror outside the US to get around restrictions.. not sure if they still do that or not.. |
| 11:10.29 | nvz | scx: blootbot is very obfusticated perl |
| 11:10.32 | dondelelcaro | $1 is just the first capture in the regex; $2 is the second. |
| 11:10.35 | valdyn | nevele: no point, don't bother, laws changed in the U.S. |
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| 11:10.47 | dusty-sts | streuner? |
| 11:10.52 | scx | dondelelcaro: what I guessed |
| 11:10.54 | valdyn | !non-us |
| 11:10.54 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 11:11.00 | scx | great! |
| 11:11.08 | nevele | jetscreamer : what link? did i miss something in the scroll? |
| 11:11.14 | dondelelcaro | a command is left side is basically a regex, and the right side is basically evaluated. [It's slightly more complex than that, but that's the basic idea.] |
| 11:11.15 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
| 11:11.26 | nevele | jetscreamer : sorry.. missed it |
| 11:11.37 | dondelelcaro | nvz: it's not really obfuscated perl, it's just not really good perl. |
| 11:12.25 | nevele | sid? is that the new etch? |
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| 11:12.28 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh, I don't see the difference. You just missed someone trying to steal dpkg's thunder.. and being a menace to #debian until azeem pulled out the guns :P |
| 11:12.34 | jetscreamer | there's some etch ones there |
| 11:12.49 | valdyn | nevele: sid is the development branch, it always is the development branch |
| 11:12.50 | jetscreamer | i meant dondelelcaro was funny, not you, btw |
| 11:12.52 | nevele | jetscreamer : yes there are, the same ones im having the problems with :) |
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| 11:12.59 | valdyn | !etch+1 |
| 11:13.00 | dpkg | Ask me about <lenny>. |
| 11:13.03 | valdyn | !lenny |
| 11:13.04 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 11:13.05 | jetscreamer | well there's the format |
| 11:13.21 | nevele | jetscreamer : just need a working mirror for etch.. |
| 11:13.28 | jetscreamer | they all work |
| 11:13.30 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 11:13.37 | jetscreamer | !apt-spy |
| 11:13.37 | dpkg | apt-spy is probably a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 11:13.43 | streuner | dusty-sts: read changelog of "ppp" or/and README.debian |
| 11:13.45 | nevele | jetscreamer : not the ones you have listed in that file.. |
| 11:13.53 | nevele | jetscreamer : i get gpg errors |
| 11:14.05 | jetscreamer | wel that is different |
| 11:14.09 | jetscreamer | !apt-key |
| 11:14.12 | valdyn | nevele: read the /topic |
| 11:14.17 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 11:14.24 | streuner | dusty-sts: in /usr/share/doc/<package>/ |
| 11:15.07 | nvz | jetscreamer: everyone's a critic.. pfft |
| 11:15.32 | nevele | ok.. not sure i even understand the topic.. |
| 11:15.45 | jetscreamer | nevele: the sources are working |
| 11:15.54 | valdyn | nevele: type '/msg dpkg no public key' in your irc client |
| 11:15.58 | jetscreamer | nevele: it's an ignorable error until you add the key |
| 11:16.09 | jetscreamer | dpkg doens't seem to be taking any calls |
| 11:16.15 | valdyn | !test |
| 11:16.16 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:16.19 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 11:16.27 | valdyn | dpkg, apt-key |
| 11:16.39 | valdyn | dpkg: apt-key |
| 11:16.42 | valdyn | ah |
| 11:16.43 | jetscreamer | or the db is offline |
| 11:16.50 | valdyn | !no public key |
| 11:16.51 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 11:17.14 | jetscreamer | or restructured_yet_again |
| 11:17.40 | jetscreamer | !tell nevele -about 2006 key |
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| 11:17.51 | jetscreamer | wel that works i guess |
| 11:17.52 | valdyn | he needs the etch key |
| 11:18.03 | jetscreamer | !tell nevele -about etch key |
| 11:19.46 | MindCr | !etch key |
| 11:19.46 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 11:20.06 | nevele | installed it, so how do i add the missing key? |
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| 11:20.21 | jetscreamer | try apt-get update and see if it's fixed |
| 11:20.29 | nevele | not, tried.. |
| 11:20.49 | nevele | still get that gpg error |
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| 11:21.09 | nevele | GPG error: http://mirrors.kernel.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 11:21.28 | hark | nevele: try another mirror |
| 11:21.48 | nevele | hark: can you paste me your sources.list? |
| 11:21.49 | gerpion | hi, strange thing, i stopped my windows 2000 server and then i wasnt able to do a telnet on my linux servers. Any clue ? |
| 11:21.59 | nevele | telnet? |
| 11:22.01 | nevele | yikes... |
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| 11:22.10 | valdyn | !2006 key |
| 11:22.10 | dpkg | from memory, 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:22.10 | nevele | yea, dont telnet |
| 11:22.58 | hark | nevele: when you update, is it able to 'get' the release.gpg? |
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| 11:23.23 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=A70DAF536070D3A1&restrict=linux |
| 11:23.29 | jetscreamer | try that |
| 11:23.34 | jetscreamer | first link |
| 11:23.50 | belkin | does postfix and postfixadmin are using the same database ? |
| 11:25.58 | Fox | belkin: if you tell them to do so, yes, and it's a good idea to tell them |
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| 11:26.00 | nevele | jetscreamer : perfect. thanks a million.. sorry for seeming a little thick, i rarely am forced to think outside the box of gentoo and ruby on rails.. guess im getting old.. |
| 11:26.04 | nevele | thanks everyone. |
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| 11:26.25 | belkin | Fox so thats the only way i can get postfixadmin workin isnt it ? |
| 11:26.45 | Fox | belkin: why would you like to use 2 different databases ? |
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| 11:27.11 | Fox | belkin: you could use mysql replication, ask postfix to query the slave and postfixadmin to query/insert the master |
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| 11:28.28 | belkin | Fox well i tried with two different database and did work .. postfixadmin didnt find any domain and users .. so i think i must use the same so it can get the information |
| 11:30.22 | Fox | belkin: seems obvious |
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| 11:32.06 | janttsu | i used debootstrap but can't chroot to the location.. it complains that /bin/sh can not be found |
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| 11:33.14 | valdyn | janttsu: tell us which commands your are running and the ls /path/to/bin/sh |
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| 11:33.59 | janttsu | valdyn: oh, there is no /bin .. maybe debootstrap did fail? |
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| 11:35.45 | janttsu | i tried to debootstrap etch /target |
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| 11:36.29 | janttsu | "couldn't download package apt" ... ouch |
| 11:36.53 | janttsu | should debootstrap be working with etch already? |
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| 11:37.35 | valdyn | !deboostrap |
| 11:37.40 | valdyn | !debootstrap |
| 11:37.40 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 11:37.44 | hark | ha, mirrors.kernel.org is indeed flaky. Got the gpg error now. |
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| 11:37.57 | valdyn | janttsu: no idea, probably not |
| 11:38.13 | belkin | i just dont understand why do i have to use localhost for the htpasswd " AuthUserFile /usr/local/www/<domain.tld>/admin/.htpasswd " like this example says |
| 11:38.33 | belkin | shouldnt just be the full path whereever the htpasswd is ? |
| 11:38.55 | janttsu | valdyn: i'll try with sarge.. |
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| 11:41.53 | nvz | hmm why might i not get sound from a flash applet if i can play music with cplay/mpg321 and hear it? |
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| 11:44.03 | hark | maybe cos' it uses OSS instead |
| 11:44.22 | mosty | i have a problem with dhcp3-server on a machine with multiple network cards. it works fine on one but not on the other- i get send_packet no such device errors |
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| 11:45.18 | nvz | hark: cplay/mpg321 definatly uses OSS |
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| 11:45.31 | mosty | i am serving different subnets on each interface, but one of those interfaces in particular never works even if i comment the other one out. i can manually setup clients on that network fine though, what could be wrong? |
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| 11:46.07 | nvz | hark: the flash player is a playin, but I am hearing nothing.. but if I start a song in cplay it plays and I hear it even with the adobe flash player still playing |
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| 11:46.43 | hark | nvz: is it flash v9? |
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| 11:50.30 | giupy | hi all |
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| 11:51.19 | giupy | how can i do to use 2 kernel parameters at same time? append="noapic nolapic ad186=xxxxx" , is that correct ? |
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| 11:55.07 | nvz | hark: I have no idea I just now installed it using the FF plugin finder thingy in sarge |
| 11:55.28 | nvz | hark: yeah its adobe flash player 9 |
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| 11:55.48 | valdyn | giupy: yes |
| 11:56.38 | hark | about:plugins would tell, but afaik flash 7 used OSS. The new one uses ALSA and I haven't had a problem with sound with it so far. |
| 11:57.08 | hark | I installed flashplugin-nonfree from marillat, i think |
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| 11:58.09 | nvz | yeah I have the flashplugin-nonfree but it was still tellin me that I dont have flash installed so I used the firefox plugin finder |
| 11:58.23 | nvz | I had the flash package installed from ages ago |
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| 11:58.51 | nvz | the flash plays just dont hear the sound.. which is the whole reason I installed the damn thing to hear a song :P |
| 11:59.14 | hark | heh, flash just sucks.. |
| 11:59.17 | nvz | I have ALSA and OSS Emulation modules.. I normally use OSS sound apps which are working fine. |
| 11:59.27 | nvz | yeah no kidding I call it Adopehead Flashback |
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| 11:59.46 | nvz | but its what this music player is written in.. |
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| 12:00.16 | nvz | its also what all these video sites use now for the most part |
| 12:00.35 | hark | dunno, just check /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/* as usual , and maybe try restarting firefox? |
| 12:00.42 | nvz | I wish people would just stop supporting it by using content |
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| 12:01.02 | amphi | nvz: did you try gnash? I'm not sure it has support for flash video yet though |
| 12:01.09 | nvz | I did try restarting firefox.. |
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| 12:01.33 | hark | hexk, even google moved to flash from ?vlc |
| 12:01.36 | nvz | amphi: I dont know what a gnash is.. and I am just trying to hear a song on this girl's myspace page |
| 12:01.45 | amphi | *snort* |
| 12:02.13 | amphi | http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ |
| 12:02.24 | cast_ | ahh i see the problem, myspace. |
| 12:02.30 | nvz | heh |
| 12:02.40 | nvz | yeah both myspace and flash are teh suck |
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| 12:03.07 | cast_ | there isn't some site that'll rip the audio like you can with youtube and video? |
| 12:03.24 | nvz | but it works on Casey's pc which is using sarge too |
| 12:03.36 | nvz | but I think she's got the old macromedia player that was in sarge |
| 12:03.52 | nvz | that one didnt seem to be working so I used firefox plugin finder to install adobe's flash 9 |
| 12:04.15 | nvz | heh |
| 12:04.18 | nvz | I do it all the time |
| 12:04.23 | nvz | well I used to |
| 12:04.31 | nvz | I kinda lost interest in #debian as of late |
| 12:04.59 | nvz | its sad cause this used to be my peaceful retreat.. comming in here and solving simple problems |
| 12:05.20 | nvz | and lately I've been all bored and shit and havent been spending much time doing it |
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| 12:08.55 | stoned | nvz: I kinda lost it too |
| 12:09.03 | stoned | now I just goof off |
| 12:09.04 | cast | how are the packages split up across the 3 etch dvds? via popularity? [info from popcon?] |
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| 12:14.32 | mcnaft | if I compile a kernel, are the kernel headers automatically installed? |
| 12:14.39 | nvz | stoned: yeah. I've been all depressed lately lack of shit to occupy my mind. I require constant stimulation to be healthy.. heh.. #debian used to be my therapy. I think not having a desk right now and not having my own quiet place has a lot to do with it. Staying with my folks right now just makes me much rather leave the house than sit here and offer support for debian |
| 12:15.10 | nvz | mcnaft: kernel headers are part of the source |
| 12:15.28 | mcnaft | cool |
| 12:15.33 | nvz | mcnaft: if you compile using kernel-package (make-kpkg) you can tell it to make a kernel-headers package |
| 12:16.00 | nvz | mcnaft: which you should always compile as a normal non-root user using fakeroot and kernel-package.. but thats a whole different story |
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| 12:17.02 | AlexJ | hello...what is the latest version of debian? |
| 12:17.06 | AlexJ | 3.1? |
| 12:17.18 | nvz | mcnaft: I normally do something like make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage, which will run menuconfig, then compile and build using fakeroot. Buildpackage target implies clean and binary targets which cleans the source tree and makes a headers, source, docs, and image packages |
| 12:17.20 | Irrumator | latest version of debian stable, yes |
| 12:17.33 | AlexJ | but it's rather old isn't t? |
| 12:17.35 | Irrumator | though debian 4 is coming rsn |
| 12:17.40 | nvz | AlexJ: yes. debian 4.0 is frozen and in the process of becoming stable |
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| 12:18.26 | AlexJ | so i should expect 4 any time soon |
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| 12:18.48 | Irrumator | more or less, see the topic regarding the etch release |
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| 12:19.01 | AlexJ | thanks a lot |
| 12:19.14 | FaithX | Is there a way to capture flash output to avi file in linux? |
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| 12:20.33 | aubi | Hi i have 2 hdd's one is named /dev/hda and the other /dev/hdb. Now i have a new gentoo installation on hdb but the actual system with grub runs on hda. How can i boot from hdb ? |
| 12:20.36 | nvz | AlexJ: you could use it now, its just still considered testing. but no drastic changes are being made in the form of packages comming from sid/unstable |
| 12:20.51 | nvz | AlexJ: its fully usable and considerably newer than Sarge 3.1 |
| 12:20.58 | cydork | FaithX: you can convert .flv to .avi if that's what you mean. |
| 12:21.30 | Deepa | the opposite is possible too |
| 12:21.49 | cydork | yep |
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| 12:23.54 | cahoot | aubi: you definitely want to boot from hdb - bootin the system on hdb isn't enough? |
| 12:24.22 | cast | aubi: that is the bios's choice, surely? [thus a bios option perhaps] |
| 12:24.25 | mcnaft | nvz: I usually do "make-kpkg clean, make-kpkg kernel_image" |
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| 12:26.59 | mcnaft | nvz: so to include kernel headers (needed for nvidia) the order is now # make menuconfig # make-kpkg clean, # buildpackage, # make-kpkg kernel_image |
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| 12:31.19 | mcnaft | nvz: oh I misread |
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| 12:33.16 | mcnaft | I can exclude --config=menuconfig if I run make menuconfig first? |
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| 12:33.22 | nvz | mcnaft: you dont have to make multiple commands with kernel-package its an all in wonder one-liner |
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| 12:33.40 | Alptraum- | hi there. got a simple question |
| 12:34.02 | blondie | where? |
| 12:34.08 | nvz | mcnaft: you can just specfiy all steps to make-kpkg on one line.. revisioning, configuring, patching, compiling, and packaging. its all done in one line |
| 12:34.12 | nvz | blondie: heh |
| 12:34.13 | Alptraum- | i want to create a task when booting. i want a specific user foo to start a specific scipt ./bar test |
| 12:34.35 | mcnaft | nvz: what about make-kpkg kernel_image? |
| 12:34.57 | Alptraum- | how is the command for that and where to put it? /etc/profile? |
| 12:35.18 | nvz | mcnaft: that just compiles and makes a kernel_image. you can specify multiple targets like make-kpkg clean kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 12:36.06 | nvz | mcnaft: you really should get in a habbit of using --rootcmd=fakeroot and never compiling anything as root. you never know if someone will put a . in the wrong place in a makefile and you will rm -rf / without realizing it |
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| 12:36.37 | mcnaft | ok |
| 12:36.43 | mcnaft | thanks |
| 12:36.45 | nvz | mcnaft: you should avoid escalating privlages at all costs at all times when using a POSIX system |
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| 12:38.27 | mcnaft | so the new way now is: make-kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage --rootcmd=fakeroot kernel_image |
| 12:38.38 | Diamond | Hi |
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| 12:38.58 | Diamond | does anyone have experiece with proftpd with virtual users |
| 12:39.07 | Diamond | i have it running |
| 12:39.14 | Diamond | but don't know how to add users |
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| 12:43.39 | Skiver | !xgl |
| 12:43.39 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 12:43.59 | nvz | mcnaft: the --rootcmd is only needed once. it tells kernel-package that it needs to use fakeroot to create files owned by root during packaging. and you dont need buildpackage and kernel_image. buildpackage implies the targets clean, and binary, and binary implies all of kernel_image, kernel_headers, kernel_source, and kernel_doc |
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| 12:44.49 | nvz | mcnaft: you dont need buildpackage if you dont also want source and docs. but I make all 4 packages then delete my source tree and my source tarball cause I now have the source in deb format |
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| 12:45.11 | Alptraum- | just found some info about /etc/rcX.d for the boot process. but i still dont know how to start a process with a specific user |
| 12:45.28 | valdyn | !wayttd Alptraum- |
| 12:45.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Alptraum-? |
| 12:45.41 | mcnaft | alright |
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| 12:46.04 | Nterprais | hi |
| 12:46.13 | hjubal | I have 2 ethernet cards... eth0 works, eth1 doesn't. Have I to configure eth1 in '/etc/modutils/aliases'? |
| 12:46.26 | valdyn | hjubal: no |
| 12:46.30 | Alptraum- | simple: i have a user foo that has to start a script ./foo_script start while/after booting |
| 12:46.36 | Alptraum- | @ valdyn |
| 12:46.46 | mcnaft | "make -kpkg --config=menuconfig --rootcmd=fakeroot buildpackage" is all I need? and the dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.***.deb |
| 12:46.59 | mcnaft | make-kpkg |
| 12:47.00 | valdyn | Alptraum-: use crontab -e as that user, @reboot is the 'time' |
| 12:47.20 | mcnaft | s/the/then |
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| 12:48.38 | hjubal | valdyn: "ifconfig eth1 192.168.2.2" returns "IOCSIFADDR: No such device" "eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
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| 12:49.13 | Polleke | hjubal, dmesg | grep eth1 |
| 12:49.33 | hjubal | Polleke: "e100: eth1: e100_probe: addr 0xfe9fd000, irq 193, MAC addr 00:30:48:10:7C:CC" |
| 12:49.48 | valdyn | hjubal: ifconfig -a |
| 12:50.19 | dusty-sts | Hey guys, I am having some issues trying to get my linux box online. I have this Draytek Vigor 2800g Router - Which I have switched into Bridged Mode (e.g. it is just acting as a bog standard modem), I have a ethernet cable going from the first port on the router to the NIC in the debian linux box. I have configured /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider and /etc/ppp/pap-secrets then ran /etc/ppp/dial_ppp_on_boot and in /var/log/messeges the pppd just exits, and n |
| 12:50.52 | valdyn | dusty-sts: why the hell would you RUN /etc/ppp/dial_ppp_on_boot ? |
| 12:51.09 | hjubal | valdyn: naaahhh "it's named 'eth1_rena Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:30:48:10:7C:CC'" |
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| 12:51.13 | hjubal | :\ |
| 12:51.21 | valdyn | dusty-sts: run pppoeconf |
| 12:51.24 | Mazingaro | please is anyone using wxmaxima on debian unstable: it cannot read help files, path is completely wrong... |
| 12:51.27 | dusty-sts | valdyn, I followed a tutorial that streuner gave me. |
| 12:52.01 | dusty-sts | valdyn, I tried pppoeconf but that fails to find the access concentrator. By the way i am in the UK and we use PPPoA not PPPoE here. |
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| 12:52.21 | valdyn | hjubal: reboot to see if this happens again, that eth1_rena should not exist after booting |
| 12:52.41 | valdyn | !pppoa |
| 12:52.58 | dusty-sts | valdyn? |
| 12:53.15 | valdyn | dusty-sts: ok.., i cant help you with pppoa |
| 12:53.21 | dusty-sts | valdyn, I followed the configuring ppppoa here: http://www.wlug.org.nz/LinuxPPPoA |
| 12:53.31 | dusty-sts | valdyn, its practically the same.. |
| 12:53.36 | Hyber[at]Work | Hi Guys, I have a adaptec controller 1210 sata controller that I try and install with a mirror, but Debian see the raw disks and not the mirrored disk.. does anyone have a good idea? I use the aacraid driver.. |
| 12:54.17 | hjubal | valdyn: I've never heard of such name |
| 12:54.27 | hjubal | valdyn: Polleke http://dark-code.bulix.org/fuhwae-31874 |
| 12:54.38 | valdyn | hjubal: its an artifact of failed renaming of your interface |
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| 12:55.17 | Polleke | hjubal, what valdyn said, something tried renaming your device |
| 12:55.19 | hjubal | valdyn: ok, "# ifconfig eth1_rena 192.168.2.2" fails, "# ifconfig sit0 192.168.2.2" is ok |
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| 12:55.45 | Polleke | hjubal, how does it fail? |
| 12:55.46 | hjubal | ok, I' rebooting |
| 12:56.14 | hjubal | Polleke: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device eth1_rena: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
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| 12:56.54 | valdyn | dusty-sts: uncomment the 'debug' in /etc/ppp/options and try again |
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| 12:57.17 | valdyn | hjubal: run ifconfig -a after rebooting |
| 12:57.22 | hjubal | ok |
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| 12:59.37 | valdyn | dusty-sts: that tutorial gives a wrong module path, did you correct that? |
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| 13:00.02 | valdyn | dusty-sts: s/module/plugin/ |
| 13:00.46 | valdyn | hjubal: sit is something else |
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| 13:05.02 | mcnaft | I thought devfs was removed in kernel 2.6.19 ? but I get kernel panic spewing messages about devfs |
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| 13:06.30 | el_mexicano | hi there |
| 13:06.49 | el_mexicano | hot to check wich ports are open from INSIDE to outside? |
| 13:07.04 | sulo | Hi, I've got a very annoying problem: Just got my wireless card working and connected to the LAN. Used dhcp to retreive information. However, I only stay connected for a couple of minutes at a time, after which I'm kicked off the net again and have to reconnect. Can someone shed some light on this, please? |
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| 13:07.35 | Polleke | el_mexicano, I guess you want nmap |
| 13:07.42 | Skiver | microsoft is going to make a lot of enemies with this vista release. |
| 13:07.44 | Coke | Hello. I have two PCI slots, when I insert two cards into them one is completely ignored by the system (it looks as if it wasn't there). How do I fix this? |
| 13:07.57 | valdyn | el_mexicano: netstat -plunt |
| 13:08.01 | valdyn | !nmap |
| 13:08.01 | dpkg | hmm... nmap is a Free Software port scanner written by Fyodor. It is used to evaluate the security of computers, and to discover services or servers on a computer network. http://www.insecure.org/nmap or don't do anything you wouldn't want done to yourself. |
| 13:08.03 | el_mexicano | yes, but how? i know to do it on remote machines? |
| 13:08.34 | valdyn | el_mexicano: nmap is the worst choice for this, use netstat |
| 13:09.22 | valdyn | el_mexicano: if you have an ( embedded ) router you need an external portmap service ( see google ) |
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| 13:10.35 | el_mexicano | my problem? i use the policywightd for postfix, wich want's to query some blacklists (i heared it does it on port 53 (DNS)). but all queries are failing. We got an Remotly Managed Firewall (Watchguard) |
| 13:10.41 | valdyn | el_mexicano: oops, s/portmap/portscan/ |
| 13:11.23 | el_mexicano | i can't look on the configuration of the FW |
| 13:11.27 | bkankur | i have setup debain 3.1r1 repository..and now my disc # 1 got corrupted.. i tried to find the debian 3.1r1 disk #1 . iso but i couldnt can anyone help me..from where i can download the first one as i want to install in new machine ? |
| 13:11.40 | Ronin | bkankur: www.debian.org |
| 13:11.44 | valdyn | el_mexicano: you need to look for a portscan service, you cant scan from the firewalled box |
| 13:11.56 | el_mexicano | i htink a portscan look just on the remote machine for open ports? |
| 13:12.09 | valdyn | el_mexicano: right |
| 13:12.10 | hjubal | valdyn: after reboot I have eth0, eth1_rena, sit0, lo |
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| 13:12.30 | hjubal | can I configure sit0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:12.38 | bkankur | ronin.. friend i tried but couldnt reach to it.. the folder under debian 3.1r1/i386/cd image/ where there is no iso images.. |
| 13:12.40 | valdyn | hjubal: sit0 is something else |
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| 13:13.07 | Alptraum` | valdyn: i'm still trying to do that with crontabs, but no result so far. does the script execute when rebooting the machine although i didnt login with that specific user? |
| 13:13.17 | valdyn | Alptraum`: right |
| 13:13.25 | valdyn | Alptraum`: man crontab |
| 13:13.32 | Ronin | then try a different mirror |
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| 13:13.48 | hjubal | valdyn: would you mind to tell me more? |
| 13:14.03 | valdyn | hjubal: does /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules exist? |
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| 13:14.26 | bkankur | ronin : i am talking of the mirrors too.. thats the reason i came here..please |
| 13:14.37 | hjubal | valdyn: yes |
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| 13:14.56 | valdyn | hjubal: look at that file... |
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| 13:15.21 | hjubal | valdyn: yes.. "SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:30:48:10:7c:cc", NAME="eth0"" and "SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTRS{address}=="00:04:75:b6:09:0f", NAME="eth0"" |
| 13:15.39 | bkankur | thank you.. i found from http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/3.1_r1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:15.42 | hjubal | eth0 it's used for both card? |
| 13:16.26 | valdyn | hjubal: yea, that's the error, move one to eth1, the one with the MAC of your eth1_rena |
| 13:16.42 | hjubal | valdyn: eheh yep |
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| 13:17.38 | ChaosR | How can you lookup which type of ram your box has? |
| 13:17.42 | knoxy | is possible to use motorola V3 to connect on internet from usb device using debian? |
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| 13:18.26 | larsl | How do I get all text in Iceweasel/Firefox to be antialiased? |
| 13:18.29 | valdyn | ChaosR: dmidecode |
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| 13:20.16 | jifix | i have been using synaptic since yesterday when i start using apitude but i have a problem |
| 13:20.30 | sulo | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.42 | jifix | in synaptic i can see the history of the packages that i have install |
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| 13:21.16 | ChaosR | valdyn: thanks |
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| 13:21.21 | jifix | how can i do it on aptitude |
| 13:21.22 | jifix | ? |
| 13:21.30 | jifix | is it possible |
| 13:22.29 | o0Olli | any psyBNC users out there? |
| 13:22.36 | ChaosR | valdyn: you just saved me $140, i WAS sure this box had DDR ram, it seems it still has SDRAM |
| 13:22.39 | belkin | does anyone know how do i enable courier-imap-ssl 993 with postfix ? iv done the settings in main.conf of postfix and imap-ssl its up and running but when i telnet localhost 993 doesnt look same as i telnet to 143 |
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| 13:23.21 | bier_ | how can i choose which initrd-tool to use when i dpkg -i a kernel package? |
| 13:23.37 | y0hm | no°b Q : Any news on Debian 4 |
| 13:23.39 | y0hm | ? |
| 13:24.51 | Ronin | y0hm: when its ready |
| 13:25.01 | sett | i'm gonna freeze myself and wake up when deb 10.0 releases |
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| 13:26.21 | y0hm | Ronin so , nothing specific for the moment then ? |
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| 13:26.32 | y0hm | just in progress |
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| 13:27.11 | Ronin | y0hm: shortly ;) all depends on the progress of bug squashing |
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| 13:27.28 | y0hm | just cos' I remember a december 2006 or jan 2007 release date when i checked a month or two ago |
| 13:27.38 | y0hm | ok thx |
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| 13:27.43 | Ronin | ya it was supposed to be last december, but they ran into delays |
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| 13:28.06 | y0hm | and I couldnt find ANY news on the site so I thought i'd check here :) |
| 13:28.26 | y0hm | cos me luv debian ;) |
| 13:28.32 | blondie | the debian site says dec 2006 :) |
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| 13:28.52 | hark | y0hm: --> bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
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| 13:35.52 | y0hm | thx hark |
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| 13:36.51 | y0hm | hark lol only 600 more bugs to squash :) |
| 13:37.34 | hark | no, not quite ;) |
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| 13:38.15 | hark | check 'The number concerning the next release..' |
| 13:38.56 | dusty-sts | valdyn, sorry was afk (in work) Yes i corrected the plugin path and i just uncommented the debug line, will have to reconnect to see if it works i'll be right back. |
| 13:39.38 | der0b | Hey all, I'm going to be setting up a debian etch server at home for some play. When it becomes stable, will I need/want to update the apt repo config to point to stable or will pointing to etch keep me up to date with patches? |
| 13:40.14 | hark | just make sure it says etch and not testing |
| 13:40.17 | justin | der0b: you may need to doublecheck the presense and correctness of the security.debian.org entry |
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| 13:40.48 | der0b | thanks guys, making a note of it. much appreciated |
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| 13:43.10 | lkthomas | I got a problem to use saslauthd on debian |
| 13:43.14 | lkthomas | it does not start |
| 13:43.22 | lkthomas | when I run /etc/init.d/saslauthd start |
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| 13:43.45 | cahoot | bier_: you probably want to read the debian linux kernel handbook |
| 13:44.43 | dustyr | Hey valdyn, nope that didn't work. I get the following in /var/log/messages: pppd[1041]: Plugin /usr/lib/pppd/2.4.4/pppoatm.so loaded. pppd[1041]: pppd 2.4.4 started by root, uid 0. pppd[1041]: Exit. <-- Any ideas why it does this? |
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| 13:45.57 | hxizan | lkthomas: how about mechanisms? |
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| 13:50.13 | dustyr | valdyn, streuner? |
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| 13:53.20 | SerajewelKS | beryl motion blur is surprisingly nice on the eyes |
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| 13:56.20 | incorrect | is it possible to have a user create a file with file permissions of another user? |
| 13:56.44 | blondie | don't think so |
| 13:56.51 | blondie | that would cause security issues |
| 13:57.19 | PingFloyd | incorrect: only root can do that afaict |
| 13:57.23 | jelly | !beryl |
| 13:57.23 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages are NOW in debian (unstable.sid) ... maybe |
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| 13:57.55 | jelly | Hi... this "packages are NOW in debian" in !beryl means what, exactly? |
| 13:58.02 | hark | !info beryl sid |
| 13:58.22 | jelly | apt-cache search beryl show nada |
| 13:58.43 | hark | part of it is still stuck in the NEW, last i remember |
| 13:58.50 | jelly | similarly, incoming.d.o is deberyllized too |
| 13:58.52 | hark | *queue |
| 14:00.02 | hark | yup, beryl-plugins, beryl-settings still there |
| 14:00.09 | hark | !factinfo beryl |
| 14:00.10 | dpkg | beryl -- last modified 15h 4m 41s ago by streuner!i=foobar@p54A5ECE1.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 6 times, last by jelly, 2m 47s ago. |
| 14:00.26 | jelly | I added the "... maybe" ;-) |
| 14:00.32 | hark | heh |
| 14:00.43 | mosty | incorrect, the only way to do that would be with a suid root program, such as sudo |
| 14:01.44 | justin | actually, I think you can delegate things like that if you are using selinux or such |
| 14:01.51 | incorrect | shame |
| 14:02.31 | incorrect | would chmod -R t+1 ./* set the sticky bit for all files and dirs? |
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| 14:07.32 | Knight_Lord | How can I get LDAP to work with TLS? I'm getting a strange error when i restart slapd |
| 14:07.44 | hjubal | valdyn: ok, it works.. it was a matter with "/etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules" |
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| 14:09.01 | incorrect | all i needed was chmod g+s |
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| 14:11.57 | Diamond | Hi |
| 14:11.59 | PingFloyd | incorrect: I think that sets setguid |
| 14:12.01 | Diamond | i'v got a problem |
| 14:12.13 | Diamond | i lost my root password from my debian server |
| 14:12.22 | incorrect | PingFloyd: it is, however i have been able to do what i wanted to achieve |
| 14:12.23 | Diamond | how can i change it back the way it whas |
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| 14:12.41 | PingFloyd | Diamond: boot it into single user mode |
| 14:12.48 | Diamond | how ? |
| 14:13.12 | Diamond | recovery mode workz |
| 14:13.22 | Diamond | with my old root password |
| 14:13.32 | Diamond | but its not working on normal mode |
| 14:14.27 | Diamond | PingFloyd : can you help me with this |
| 14:14.30 | PingFloyd | how are you trying to log in as root? |
| 14:14.50 | Diamond | i am in recovery mode now |
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| 14:14.52 | Diamond | there i am root |
| 14:14.57 | Diamond | with my old password |
| 14:15.04 | PingFloyd | type passwd |
| 14:15.07 | Diamond | but its not the same as normal mode |
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| 14:15.19 | dusty-sts | Hey guys, once I have put my ADSL Router into bridged mode, and hooked it up to the linux box via ethernet cable, how would I go about making the linux box login so that the linux box is doing the routing? |
| 14:15.24 | Diamond | when i change there my password normal mode wont get the command |
| 14:15.30 | dusty-sts | I'm in the UK so we used PPPoATM? |
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| 14:16.01 | Diamond | PingFloyd : how do i login as single user ? |
| 14:16.14 | thomas__ | Diamond: try passwd |
| 14:16.17 | thomas__ | as root |
| 14:16.30 | Diamond | yes but thats in recovery mode |
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| 14:16.40 | PingFloyd | try it |
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| 14:16.45 | Diamond | i have tryed it |
| 14:16.47 | Diamond | won't help |
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| 14:17.00 | Diamond | i changed the password back to empty |
| 14:17.11 | Diamond | in recov mode the password is now empty |
| 14:17.19 | Diamond | but not in normal debian startup |
| 14:17.43 | Diamond | strange... |
| 14:17.59 | Diamond | but how do i login as single user ? |
| 14:18.01 | PingFloyd | Diamond: did you make it empty when you tried before? |
| 14:18.19 | dusty-sts | Anyone? |
| 14:18.25 | Diamond | PingFloyd : its empty now |
| 14:18.34 | PingFloyd | Diamond: you don't want it empty |
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| 14:18.49 | PingFloyd | Diamond: you want it to be as secure as possible |
| 14:19.02 | Diamond | have cleaned it in "recovery mode " but normal mode won't get that |
| 14:19.07 | nmmachado | olÃĄ alguem poderia me ajudar no programa de configuraçÃŖo de teclas? |
| 14:19.24 | Diamond | when i start debian normaly it still keeps the old password |
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| 14:19.29 | Diamond | that i don't know.. |
| 14:19.31 | Diamond | ;( |
| 14:19.32 | nmmachado | Desculpe entrei em sala errada. |
| 14:19.37 | Knight_Lord | nmmachado #debian-br |
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| 14:19.46 | nmmachado | /q |
| 14:19.49 | Diamond | PingFloyd : how do i strat in single user mode |
| 14:19.52 | Diamond | tell me |
| 14:19.53 | ctp_ | hi folks. i try to debootstrap out from a rescue system, but i get this error "E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source" executing ./debootstrap --arch i386 etch /deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian. anyone here has a hint whats going wrong? |
| 14:20.12 | PingFloyd | Diamond: I believe recovery mode is single user mode |
| 14:20.19 | Diamond | hmm |
| 14:20.24 | Diamond | ah.. |
| 14:20.33 | Diamond | so passwd there |
| 14:20.37 | Diamond | and change my password |
| 14:21.05 | Diamond | hmm.. ok lets give one last change |
| 14:21.05 | PingFloyd | Diamond: but give it a password |
| 14:21.06 | PingFloyd | Diamond: a good one |
| 14:21.40 | Diamond | but why does normal mode does not see the password for single user mode.. |
| 14:21.40 | Diamond | ;/ |
| 14:21.50 | non-free | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 14:21.53 | non-free | doesnt work |
| 14:21.57 | PingFloyd | Diamond: are you logged in as root anywhere else? |
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| 14:22.09 | Diamond | ope |
| 14:22.10 | Diamond | nope |
| 14:22.16 | non-free | any idea about the missing key ? i try what dpkg gave me with no success |
| 14:22.21 | Diamond | i whas.. |
| 14:22.24 | Diamond | but exited |
| 14:22.36 | Diamond | restarted the system a copple of times |
| 14:22.42 | Diamond | now i am with this problem |
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| 14:22.50 | rotine | hi |
| 14:22.54 | Diamond | i am gonna give it a try :) |
| 14:23.20 | rotine | if i install debian etch(testing) i can update it without fresh install after 4.1 released? |
| 14:23.22 | valdyn | !etch key |
| 14:23.23 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 14:24.18 | valdyn | rotine: yea, jsut make sure you use literally 'etch', not 'testing' |
| 14:24.45 | valdyn | rotine: only you want to get the new testing ( lenny ) |
| 14:24.52 | non-free | W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 14:24.52 | valdyn | rotine: _unless_ you want to get the new testing ( lenny ) |
| 14:25.01 | non-free | need help please to get rid of that |
| 14:25.20 | non-free | i couldnt find the key on the main site http://debian-multimedia.org doesnt let me import it ;( |
| 14:25.23 | valdyn | non-free: that's not the key you used above, now use your brain and replace the 2D230C5F |
| 14:25.50 | non-free | valdyn its not what ? |
| 14:26.06 | cydork | non-free: /msg dpkg apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 14:26.13 | valdyn | non-free: 2D230C5F is not 1F41B907 |
| 14:26.50 | non-free | which one i need ? |
| 14:26.54 | cydork | non-free: and it's give in the faq on that site too! |
| 14:27.02 | valdyn | non-free: READ! |
| 14:27.04 | non-free | dpkg gave that |
| 14:27.11 | valdyn | almost funny |
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| 14:27.23 | non-free | valdyn i can see without caps too |
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| 14:27.38 | valdyn | non-free: maybe, but read before you ask us |
| 14:27.52 | non-free | cydork gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; doesnt no anything |
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| 14:28.36 | non-free | valdyn the reason i ask is because the dpkg commands to receive the key doesnt wok |
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| 14:29.03 | valdyn | non-free: which error are you getting? |
| 14:29.09 | non-free | no error |
| 14:29.15 | non-free | hanging |
| 14:29.16 | valdyn | non-free: which output? |
| 14:29.22 | non-free | doesnt show anything |
| 14:29.23 | non-free | NOTHING |
| 14:29.25 | non-free | :) |
| 14:29.33 | valdyn | non-free: ok. use a different keyserer, maybe the one in marillat faq |
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| 14:29.45 | non-free | did already |
| 14:29.59 | non-free | i wouldnt come ask for help if it worked like the faqs shows |
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| 14:30.26 | Diamond | PingFloyd : its not working |
| 14:30.35 | Diamond | normal mode still keeps the old password |
| 14:30.36 | Diamond | ;( |
| 14:30.37 | valdyn | non-free: gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 is the line, is that what you ran? |
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| 14:31.06 | non-free | valdyn yes .. this too |
| 14:31.07 | Diamond | but in recov mode i can change it but normal mode will not get this change.. |
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| 14:31.37 | valdyn | non-free: try this line: http_proxy="" gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 |
| 14:32.08 | non-free | valdyn ok works , thanks |
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| 14:32.24 | valdyn | non-free: are you by incident using privoxy? |
| 14:32.28 | valdyn | non-free: or any proxy? |
| 14:32.55 | non-free | i think its setup somethig in my router ... |
| 14:33.07 | non-free | not sure . i didnt set anything in debian , |
| 14:33.14 | non-free | so it might be from there |
| 14:33.14 | mc__ | sorry for the OT question but dou you think mediawiki will be to bloated for a VPS with 128mb RAM ? |
| 14:33.16 | valdyn | non-free: you router shouldn't have an impact there.. |
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| 14:33.43 | valdyn | non-free: ...unless you set up automatic proxy configuration |
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| 14:34.09 | non-free | valdyn i have a look , why would i use proxy for ? |
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| 14:34.32 | valdyn | non-free: either way, privoxy breaks this, what i gave you with that line disabled you using a proxy |
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| 14:34.50 | Diamond | ppl |
| 14:34.52 | Diamond | help me out |
| 14:34.53 | valdyn | non-free: someone must have enabled you using a proxy |
| 14:34.56 | Diamond | i lost my root password |
| 14:35.03 | valdyn | !i lost root's password |
| 14:35.06 | Diamond | how can i change it back thats workz in normal mode |
| 14:35.13 | cydork | Diamond: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 14:35.14 | valdyn | !i lost roots password |
| 14:35.24 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 14:35.24 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 14:35.27 | valdyn | ah! |
| 14:35.31 | cydork | :) |
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| 14:36.47 | mosty | how can i get daemontools to start earlier in the boot process? it seems to be started from /etc/inittab and not from an init script |
| 14:36.54 | non-free | valdyn what would you go for courier or dovecot ? (using it with postfix) |
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| 14:37.34 | mosty | non-free, use the first one that works |
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| 14:38.23 | non-free | mosty use the one that works you mean ? both it will |
| 14:38.29 | mosty | non-free: flip a coin/use whichever you find easier |
| 14:38.34 | Diamond | cydork : its a bit complex what dpkg says |
| 14:38.51 | Diamond | can you give me a better way to do |
| 14:38.59 | Diamond | i mean.. |
| 14:38.59 | non-free | mosty yeah , i flip a coin ;)) thanks |
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| 14:39.22 | valdyn | non-free: dovecot is very nice, never used courier |
| 14:39.31 | Diamond | i must boot from debian cd and hold shift f2 right |
| 14:39.39 | mosty | courier is very nice, i've never used dovecot ;) |
| 14:39.43 | Diamond | should this be good? |
| 14:39.44 | Diamond | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=259& |
| 14:39.49 | valdyn | Diamond: cant you read? |
| 14:39.53 | cydork | Diamond: you can just boot it from grub/lilo |
| 14:40.09 | valdyn | Diamond: i don't see a boot cd mentioned in what dpkg said |
| 14:40.10 | Diamond | grub/lilo ?? |
| 14:40.15 | Diamond | ok |
| 14:40.33 | Diamond | sorry guys but i am not that experincet with linux ;p |
| 14:40.52 | Diamond | how do i boot from grub/lilo |
| 14:40.59 | jmg | hi, just upgraded a package and lost some functionality, read some forums and they recommend using a previous version ... is it posible to rollback to a previous version, or select which version to install ? |
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| 14:41.39 | Diamond | valdyn ? |
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| 14:41.44 | Diamond | cydork ? |
| 14:41.48 | mosty | jmg: which releases are you using in your sources.list ? |
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| 14:41.59 | jmg | i'm using sid |
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| 14:42.20 | deb_noob | when i switch the sata ports for my hard drive that boots debian it does not boot. Can I fix this somehow? |
| 14:42.27 | mosty | jmg: then you can try installing the old package (plus dependencies) with dpkg |
| 14:42.45 | jmg | mosty: magic ... thanks |
| 14:42.55 | deb_noob | anyone? |
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| 14:44.16 | cydork | Diamond: when see the grub you can just press e and add init=/bin/sh at the end of it |
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| 14:45.57 | daviey | Hi, does anybody know how i can mount FTPS / ftp-ssl? |
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| 14:47.13 | signius | oops |
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| 14:50.29 | Diamond | ok |
| 14:50.31 | Diamond | cydork : |
| 14:50.35 | Diamond | i am in the grub now |
| 14:50.56 | Diamond | which one must i edit |
| 14:50.58 | PingFloyd | I don't get why it's telling to run fsck |
| 14:51.15 | cydork | Diamond: the kernel line |
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| 14:51.18 | PingFloyd | why have that step? |
| 14:51.27 | Diamond | root / kernel / initrd / savedefault /boot ? |
| 14:51.31 | Diamond | so kernel ? |
| 14:51.35 | Diamond | okay |
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| 14:52.11 | bwlang | anybody know what snhelper is? i get this segfault snhelper[2093]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 0000000008099677 rsp 00000000ffffd24c error 4 google is confused about some windows dll |
| 14:52.30 | Diamond | its giving me this : grub edit> kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 14:52.38 | Diamond | what must i make from it ? |
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| 14:52.52 | badbugs | Hello |
| 14:53.05 | cydork | Diamond: now add "init=/bin/sh" at the end of that, without quotes. |
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| 14:54.37 | Diamond | oke |
| 14:54.49 | Diamond | done.. |
| 14:54.54 | Diamond | what to do next ? |
| 14:55.11 | cydork | Diamond: press b as factoid says! |
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| 14:56.45 | Diamond | yes i have done that |
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| 14:57.14 | drako | Anyone know about a good SIP client? |
| 14:57.33 | Diamond | i am now in a kind of shell |
| 14:57.41 | Diamond | sh-2.05b# |
| 14:57.46 | Diamond | what must i do therE? |
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| 14:59.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've noticed something. popcon.u.c jumped to like 6500 from like 1500... |
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| 14:59.14 | Diamond | how do i do this |
| 14:59.15 | Diamond | 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | you mean 'dropped' ? |
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| 15:01.18 | Diamond | cydork : what must i do next |
| 15:01.22 | Diamond | 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', |
| 15:01.30 | Diamond | whats fsck ? |
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| 15:01.40 | zaher | has anyone been able 2 run compiz in sid? |
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| 15:03.05 | cydork | Diamond:run mount -o remount,rw / |
| 15:03.36 | Diamond | done |
| 15:03.38 | Diamond | what now ? |
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| 15:04.26 | Diamond | its giving EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19, 19 august 2002 on ide0(3.1), internal journal |
| 15:04.40 | Diamond | cydork : what must i do next? |
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| 15:05.34 | Polleke | Diamond, you lost your root password? |
| 15:05.49 | Diamond | yes |
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| 15:06.15 | Polleke | Diamond, I hope you know how to use vi(m) |
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| 15:06.22 | Polleke | do vi /etc/passwd |
| 15:06.34 | Polleke | ehhh /etc/shadow |
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| 15:07.29 | x-- | boot from a livecd, mount your / partition, chroot it it, passwd |
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| 15:08.07 | Polleke | x--, he booted into single user mode.. he's fine |
| 15:08.37 | Diamond | x-- : i have done it from recovery mode |
| 15:08.41 | Diamond | but its not working |
| 15:08.59 | Polleke | Diamond.... did you open /etc/shadow with vi |
| 15:09.08 | Diamond | changed the /etc/shadow |
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| 15:09.10 | Diamond | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=259& |
| 15:09.14 | Diamond | thats the way i have done it |
| 15:09.18 | Diamond | in recof mode |
| 15:09.27 | Diamond | but its not working for normal mode |
| 15:09.28 | Diamond | ;/ |
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| 15:09.40 | Trewas | tarzeau: ubuntu installs popularity-contest in feisty by default, that probably explains sudden jump |
| 15:09.43 | Polleke | you most likely did a wrong edit of /etc/shadow Diamond |
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| 15:10.13 | tarzeau | Trewas: without asking if they may? |
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| 15:10.27 | tarzeau | Trewas: but yes, that's an interesting sort of spyware |
| 15:10.28 | darthxaher | boot from live cd, mount / partition, chroot to that partition and then #passwd |
| 15:10.42 | cydork | Diamond: didn't you read the factoid. you are supposed to do passwd now |
| 15:10.46 | darthxaher | then enter new passwd for the new account |
| 15:11.11 | Diamond | so i need to do passwd |
| 15:11.11 | Diamond | ok |
| 15:11.23 | darthxaher | yep |
| 15:11.34 | valdyn | Diamond: that forum text is from 2004 |
| 15:11.58 | valdyn | Diamond: no idea why you'd just copy that... |
| 15:11.59 | Diamond | hhehe |
| 15:12.10 | Trewas | tarzeau: it asks viadebconf, and defaults to "yes" if the user just presses enter... I don't how it goes in a new install though |
| 15:12.18 | Polleke | ehhh... we're now giving the poor guy about 4 different ways to fix this... and they dont mix... |
| 15:12.26 | tarzeau | Trewas: ah thanks |
| 15:12.26 | Assassin5 | anyone know of any programs that can scan like nmap on a mac address? |
| 15:12.57 | valdyn | Assassin5: how should that work? |
| 15:13.16 | valdyn | Assassin5: nmap result varies by IP, there may be several IP on the same MAC |
| 15:13.38 | Diamond | passwd is not working cydork |
| 15:14.07 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: nmap scans on a mac address are nonesensical. |
| 15:14.11 | cydork | Diamond: huh? any errors? is / partition mounted ? |
| 15:14.11 | Assassin5 | well, I've got an IP conflict and I want to scan the mac address to see whats running on it. Might help me work out what it is |
| 15:14.17 | Diamond | but i have cleaned the /etc/shadow to something like this root::12324:0:99999:7::: |
| 15:14.36 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Services don't run on MAC addresses. |
| 15:14.45 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Services run on a network protocol. |
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| 15:14.58 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: A MAC address is not related to network protocols. |
| 15:15.26 | Assassin5 | but it is related to a network device and that device is attached to a machine which would have services running on it. |
| 15:15.26 | sett | why not, ip and mac are there for protocols to work :) |
| 15:15.30 | markw | Assassin5: best bet is to check the switch's mac table. |
| 15:15.40 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Maybe, maybe not. |
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| 15:16.05 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Maybe your MAC address has IPX/SPX running on it only. |
| 15:16.12 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Or NetBEUI. Or AppleTalk. |
| 15:16.17 | markw | Assassin5: if you're running a managed switch like a cisco, it's pretty easy to find what port a mac is on. |
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| 15:16.23 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Or YourMomGoesToCollege network protocol. |
| 15:16.45 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Or any combination of those. And perhaps multiple instances of some. |
| 15:16.46 | Assassin5 | maybe, but thats what I'm trying to find out. if I could scan the mac address it might tell me the vendor of the network device. |
| 15:16.56 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: You can't *scan* mac addresses. |
| 15:17.06 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Any more than you can scan an oak tree for a street address. |
| 15:17.08 | karmatronic | Flimzy_: you can |
| 15:17.14 | Flimzy_ | karmatronic: How? |
| 15:17.23 | karmatronic | Flimzy_: with nmap |
| 15:17.28 | Flimzy_ | nmap is an IP scanner. |
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| 15:17.43 | markw | if it's on the same subnet and there are no routers, the arp table should show it. |
| 15:17.55 | Flimzy_ | yes, the arp table should show it |
| 15:18.01 | Flimzy_ | that's entirely different than scanning a mac address, tho. |
| 15:18.03 | markw | arp -n will give you all the mac addresses and IP's known by a machine.. |
| 15:18.09 | Flimzy_ | You can address a network packet to a MAC address. |
| 15:18.14 | Flimzy_ | Taht's all you can do with a mac address. |
| 15:18.20 | Flimzy_ | No scanning is involved in such an operation. |
| 15:18.24 | Assassin5 | ok. it's completely different. is there a way I can scan the mac address? |
| 15:18.31 | Surferdude | Hm, this is strange. I'm installing Debian to a Compact Flash card and the installer seems to screw up the filesystem every time i attempt |
| 15:18.36 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: No. |
| 15:18.40 | Assassin5 | fine. |
| 15:18.43 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: explain |
| 15:18.56 | Surferdude | fsck throws back some strange "short read errors" |
| 15:19.04 | Diamond | ppl i can't find a way to set root password back to |
| 15:19.07 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: what filesystem? |
| 15:19.11 | Diamond | old one or can't clean it |
| 15:19.12 | Surferdude | ext3 |
| 15:19.28 | Diamond | can someone say what i must exacly by commands |
| 15:19.33 | valdyn | Assassin5: you can scan the ip and analyze the traffic ( by MAC ) |
| 15:20.00 | Diamond | am not that experienced with linux though |
| 15:20.06 | valdyn | Assassin5: or just run arp -n after scanning the ip |
| 15:20.07 | Diamond | someone that can help me with this |
| 15:20.08 | Diamond | ? |
| 15:20.15 | valdyn | !ifrpw |
| 15:20.18 | valdyn | !ifrp |
| 15:20.18 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 15:20.28 | valdyn | Diamond: which part of the above isnt clear ? ^^^ |
| 15:20.56 | Surferdude | i know its not my card because i put a new filesystem on, did an fsck on that and it came back ok |
| 15:21.15 | Surferdude | but whenever debian does it, it gets screwey |
| 15:21.31 | Diamond | valdyn : i thing 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', |
| 15:21.35 | Diamond | think |
| 15:21.36 | Diamond | * |
| 15:22.01 | Diamond | so.. i am booting again.. uhmz |
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| 15:22.12 | valdyn | Diamond: the fsck means, the test the integrity of you root file system. Skip that step, its not needed. |
| 15:22.22 | Diamond | ok |
| 15:22.23 | valdyn | Diamond: the fsck means, to test the integrity of you root file system. Skip that step, its not needed. |
| 15:22.42 | ctp_ | hi folks. anyone here knows what pkgdetails is exactely for using debootstrap? |
| 15:22.49 | valdyn | Diamond: mount -o remount,rw will rebind / to make it read-writable instead of read-only |
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| 15:23.11 | valdyn | Diamond: just copy down that step and do precisely as dpkg said |
| 15:23.15 | Diamond | so i have to do mount -o remount,rw now ? |
| 15:23.19 | Diamond | ok |
| 15:23.30 | valdyn | Diamond: 'mount -o remount,rw /' |
| 15:23.43 | Diamond | ok |
| 15:24.10 | darthxaher | here is what i do, #shutdown -rF now, this reboots my pc and forces my root partition to be checked at next boot |
| 15:24.26 | Diamond | now its saying EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19 date... on ide0(3,1), internal journal |
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| 15:24.33 | santibiotico | hi |
| 15:24.36 | dasein | what are the config file/s for the mouse in deb 3.0? |
| 15:24.41 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: How large is your USB stick? |
| 15:24.41 | valdyn | Diamond: that looks fine to me |
| 15:24.48 | Diamond | ok valdyn |
| 15:24.56 | Diamond | passwd root now ? |
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| 15:25.00 | Surferdude | Its Compact Flash, 256 MB |
| 15:25.00 | santibiotico | i'm using etch and i want to install ghostscript....however, i can't find any 'ghostscript' package.... |
| 15:25.08 | valdyn | Diamond: yea |
| 15:25.09 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Hrm. |
| 15:25.14 | Surferdude | it installs with about 40mb to spare |
| 15:25.16 | santibiotico | i remember using stable versions and installing ghostscript package |
| 15:25.18 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: I'm working on a similar project. |
| 15:25.25 | Diamond | passwd command not found |
| 15:25.26 | Surferdude | please elaborate |
| 15:25.30 | santibiotico | has it changed its name in etch?? |
| 15:25.43 | stew | Diamond: do you have a separate partition for /usr ? |
| 15:25.46 | valdyn | Diamond: '/usr/bin/passwd root' |
| 15:25.49 | stew | santibiotico: gs |
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| 15:26.25 | stew | which is actually just a dummy package for gs-gpl |
| 15:26.28 | Muisje | Hello, for some reason by first partition is completely full |
| 15:26.36 | Muisje | How can i see what is takin the most space? |
| 15:26.42 | Diamond | its says exacly this sh: /usr/bin/passwd: no such file or dir |
| 15:26.49 | valdyn | Muisje: cd /; du -hs * |
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| 15:27.10 | valdyn | Diamond: type 'mount /usr/' |
| 15:27.11 | Surferdude | I'm actually trying to get a full install of debian going on one of these: http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html |
| 15:27.14 | rolf | how can i delete the pppoe config created by pppoeconf as well as the cached data within pppoeconf? |
| 15:27.19 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: I'm developing a system to boot Debian from USB flash, but run in ram, so it doesn't write anything to the flash memory. then I can commit changes to the flash when necessary. |
| 15:27.23 | santibiotico | thx |
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| 15:27.31 | Flimzy_ | rolf: dpkg --purge ?? |
| 15:27.46 | valdyn | Diamond: how did you get that system loaded? via the method dpkg told you or via some kind of boot or install disk/cdrom ? |
| 15:28.09 | rolf | Flimzy_: I don't want to delete pppoeconf, just the configuration for the pppoe connection currently used |
| 15:28.13 | Diamond | valdyn |
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| 15:28.15 | Diamond | done.. |
| 15:28.20 | Diamond | no restart right ? |
| 15:28.23 | Surferdude | thats a good idea, live distro's are a b**** though |
| 15:28.24 | Flimzy_ | rolf: /etc/ppp/* then |
| 15:28.26 | Diamond | and start into normal mode? |
| 15:28.26 | valdyn | Diamond: no |
| 15:28.28 | Flimzy_ | rolf: it's in there somewhere, I believe. |
| 15:28.36 | dkr | we should modify debian to have variable package names instead of all these oldname newname oldname-to-newname migration packages, :) |
| 15:28.36 | valdyn | Diamond: you did 'passwd root' yet? |
| 15:28.40 | Diamond | yes |
| 15:29.19 | rolf | ok, i'll have a look, thanks |
| 15:29.19 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Not if they act like a real distro :) |
| 15:29.19 | Diamond | i did passwd root |
| 15:29.20 | Diamond | and changed that password |
| 15:29.20 | Surferdude | true |
| 15:29.20 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: If you can dist-upgrade, and everything... on a live distro... |
| 15:29.20 | valdyn | Diamond: you forgot' mount -o remount,ro / ' |
| 15:29.20 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: then it should be cool. |
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| 15:29.25 | Surferdude | yeah |
| 15:29.27 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: I'm trying to think of a good name for that concept... My coworker came up with NIPPLE (Non-volotile In-Place Persistent Linux Extension). tehehe |
| 15:29.29 | Diamond | valdyn : so what do i have to do now ? |
| 15:29.36 | Diamond | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 15:29.37 | Diamond | again ? |
| 15:29.40 | Muisje | valdyn can i sort that filesize? |
| 15:29.47 | Surferdude | rofl |
| 15:29.48 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Plus, by using squashfs, a 256mb flash stick can hold roughly 500mb of an operating system :) |
| 15:29.52 | Diamond | i have done that btw |
| 15:30.05 | valdyn | Muisje: maybe |
| 15:30.10 | Diamond | [16:24:06] <Diamond> now its saying EXT3 FS 2.4-0.9.19 date... on ide0(3,1), internal journal |
| 15:30.17 | Diamond | thats what it saying then |
| 15:30.21 | valdyn | Muisje: i'd just read that list, its not to much |
| 15:30.34 | valdyn | Diamond: same for /usr/ |
| 15:30.43 | valdyn | Diamond: mount -o remount,ro /usr/ |
| 15:30.46 | Muisje | Do you know what mysql-bin.0***** |
| 15:30.47 | Surferdude | looks like i either need to run over to BestBuy and get a CF card or order up one of those IDE to CF things |
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| 15:30.49 | Muisje | is good for? |
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| 15:31.25 | Diamond | ,rw or ,ro ? |
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| 15:31.30 | Diamond | valdyn ? |
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| 15:31.46 | valdyn | Diamond: ro on both, you have to stop writes before rebooting, thats what ro does ( read-only ) |
| 15:32.12 | Diamond | ok done |
| 15:32.17 | Diamond | its saying nothing |
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| 15:32.21 | Diamond | can i reboot now ? |
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| 15:32.35 | Flimzy_ | Does syslinux understand VFAT long filenames? |
| 15:32.58 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Does your BIOS not support USB booting? |
| 15:33.01 | fantomas | Hi all. Is -D option of e2fsck usefull? Anybody uses it? |
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| 15:33.24 | valdyn | Diamond: that's good, 'nothing' means 'command run successfully' on linux |
| 15:33.27 | valdyn | Diamond: reboot.. |
| 15:33.28 | Diamond | valdyn : i have done ,ro on / and /usr/ |
| 15:33.33 | Diamond | ok |
| 15:33.40 | Surferdude | It does, but i prefer using CF because the BIOS detects it as a hard drive |
| 15:33.54 | Surferdude | only supports usb1.1 so its slow |
| 15:34.47 | Surferdude | my eventual plan is to make it into a CUPS IPP server |
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| 15:35.19 | Surferdude | and probably do some other stuff with it |
| 15:35.20 | Surferdude | i dont know what else could run in 200Mhz |
| 15:35.20 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: If you can boot from USB, then it doesn't matter what your BIOS thinks, because Linux handles it from there. |
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| 15:35.32 | Surferdude | Not exactly |
| 15:35.42 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Uh, yeah exactly :) |
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| 15:35.48 | Flimzy_ | 200Mhz is not a good idea for a print server. |
| 15:35.53 | Flimzy_ | It's plenty for a firewall/router, tho |
| 15:35.54 | Flimzy_ | or DNS |
| 15:36.01 | Surferdude | Live distros have a slightly different way of booting from what i have read |
| 15:36.15 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Yes, they do have a different way of booting. |
| 15:36.26 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: But who cares? |
| 15:36.57 | Surferdude | With a traditional debian install i can use tools that are farmiliar to me |
| 15:37.04 | Surferdude | like apt-get and the like |
| 15:37.16 | christopherl | Is it possible to unmount a partition that my Linux is currently on? |
| 15:37.21 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: If you boot Debian from a USB stick, you can use tools familiar to you as well. |
| 15:37.42 | jjazz | Flimzy_: I had my home print/dns/dhcp server on a 33 Mhz box. Worked just fine in such a low stress environment. |
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| 15:37.48 | Surferdude | but as you said, all of your changes are reversed as soon as you reboot |
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| 15:38.00 | madjpm | hi |
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| 15:38.07 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: Well there's lot of uknowns... but probably not, if you're asking the question. |
| 15:38.14 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Not if you have Debian installed directly on the USB stick. |
| 15:38.20 | madjpm | I m looking for a replication process using dpkg.status |
| 15:38.22 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Or if you use the system I'm developing :) |
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| 15:38.41 | Diamond | hmm thnx |
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| 15:38.45 | christopherl | I tested, but it said the device is busy can't unmount |
| 15:38.47 | Diamond | but one thing don't work |
| 15:38.51 | Diamond | i can login as root |
| 15:38.58 | Diamond | but when i type : su |
| 15:39.03 | Surferdude | thats true |
| 15:39.04 | Diamond | the password won't work |
| 15:39.12 | Diamond | why is that ? |
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| 15:40.01 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: There's no difference between booting off of USB vs. booting off of flash with an IDE adaptor |
| 15:40.13 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: The only reason to use the IDE adaptor is if your BIOS doesn't support USB booting |
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| 15:40.26 | Surferdude | To the bios there is no difference, to the kernel there is |
| 15:40.46 | Diamond | someone : i can login as root but why is that when i type su i can't use my root password? |
| 15:40.53 | damog | is it possible to build a module using m-a with a non-running kernel? |
| 15:41.29 | soobnauce | im trying to get apache working with php4, when i go to restart apache i get the error: /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so No such file or directory. There is no libphp4.so file in that directory... how can i get that lib in there? |
| 15:41.51 | madjpm | anyone know the fastest way to replicate existing debian installation using the backup file /var/backups/dpkg.status ? |
| 15:41.55 | thug | tar xvfz package.tar.gz am i doing something wrong ? why doesnt extract the files ? |
| 15:42.00 | Diamond | ?? |
| 15:42.02 | thug | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 15:42.24 | mosty | soobnauce: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 15:42.30 | ofer1 | thug, "f" must be the last |
| 15:42.36 | Surferdude | Flimsy_: Also another problem is that the device I'm using only has 128mb ram |
| 15:42.36 | ofer1 | thug, as in: tar xzvf blah.tar.gz |
| 15:42.36 | soobnauce | thx mosty, ill try that |
| 15:42.38 | cydork | madjpm: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 15:43.03 | thug | ofer1 it doesnt matter :)) same error anyway |
| 15:43.26 | Surferdude | by copying the entire distro to ram, it would almost instantly lock up |
| 15:43.26 | ofer1 | thug, it does matter. give output for "file blah.tar.gz" |
| 15:43.28 | madjpm | cyberdo: thx |
| 15:43.28 | soobnauce | mosty: thanks that worked :) |
| 15:43.54 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Then you should just boot off of USB flash directly, and not use the method I'm developing. |
| 15:44.14 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: My system won't copy everything to RAM, BTW. It will only store FS writes to RAM. But still 128mb is going to be pretty tight. |
| 15:44.26 | thug | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 15:44.26 | thug | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 15:44.26 | thug | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 15:44.31 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Just use your USB stick as a hard drive, and disable syslog if possible--or syslog to a netwrok device instead of to the HD. |
| 15:44.38 | ofer1 | thug, try tar xvf blah.tar.gz |
| 15:44.59 | thug | ofer1 tar: This does not look like a tar archive |
| 15:45.09 | ofer1 | thug, so what the heck do you want? read the errors man |
| 15:45.15 | ofer1 | !rtfem |
| 15:45.22 | ofer1 | read the f... error messages! |
| 15:45.25 | thug | i want to extract the fucking file |
| 15:45.33 | ofer1 | thug, the file is damages, or not in tar.gz format. |
| 15:45.35 | thug | it is a tar archive |
| 15:45.37 | cydork | thug: type file filename |
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| 15:45.59 | Flimzy_ | Is there any reason to keep e2fsprogs installed on a system that doesn't use ext2 or ext3? |
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| 15:46.10 | ofer1 | Flimzy_, yes. |
| 15:46.20 | Flimzy_ | ofer1, What usefulness does it provide? |
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| 15:46.22 | Diamond | valdyn : why is it when i type su in my normal shell i can't give up the root password? |
| 15:46.35 | ofer1 | Flimzy_, maybe you'll need it one day. and how much will that cost you? 1.3MB? |
| 15:46.43 | Flimzy_ | ofer1: That's a BS reason. |
| 15:46.48 | ofer1 | Flimzy_, nope. |
| 15:47.07 | Flimzy_ | ofer1: I'll never need it on a system that has no physical hard disk. |
| 15:47.07 | ofer1 | Flimzy_, e2fs progs are extremely useful when bad stuff happen. |
| 15:47.13 | Flimzy_ | ofer1: Like to fsck my ramdisk? |
| 15:47.19 | Surferdude | A live distro doesnt treat a usb drive as its storage medium. It allocates a seprate userspace and uses the drive for the os |
| 15:47.25 | Flimzy_ | ofer1: I'm looking for an *actual* reason to keep it. |
| 15:47.32 | Surferdude | * seprate userspace in memory |
| 15:47.37 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: I'm not suggesting you use a live distro. |
| 15:47.46 | Surferdude | i might just be confusing myself... >_> |
| 15:47.49 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: I'm suggesting you install Debian on the USB stick. Treat it like a standard hard drive. |
| 15:48.02 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Here, this tells how to do it: http://feraga.com/node/25 |
| 15:48.08 | Surferdude | the installer supports that> |
| 15:48.13 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: No. |
| 15:48.18 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: But debootstrap does. |
| 15:48.44 | Surferdude | ah, this makes sense |
| 15:49.00 | Surferdude | I have used debootstrap before, was considering using it |
| 15:49.19 | Surferdude | for this project |
| 15:49.26 | Flimzy_ | On a system without ext2, is there any reason to keep e2fsprogs installed? |
| 15:49.51 | Flimzy_ | The only filesystems in use on the system will be vfat, squashfs, and unionfs. |
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| 15:55.19 | Assassin5 | onyone got any other recomendations that will help me solve an IP address conflict? |
| 15:55.34 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: Change the IP address on one of the machines in conflict. |
| 15:55.40 | dkr | Assassin5: don't do it. :) |
| 15:56.04 | Assassin5 | problem is, the one it's conflicting with is one of the main servers. |
| 15:56.17 | vulture | Assassin5: So change it (on your end, not on the main server).. |
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| 15:56.52 | gustav3d | does etch offer driver upgrades or does that only come with a new kernel release ?. |
| 15:57.12 | Assassin5 | no no... there is a conflict on the network somewhere with the main server. I want to find out what the other machine is. |
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| 15:57.43 | Assassin5 | just wondered if there was anything I |
| 15:57.45 | Assassin5 | oops |
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| 15:58.20 | Assassin5 | just wondered if there was any progs that would show anything about the machines on that IP |
| 15:58.49 | Flimzy_ | Assassin5: take the main server offline, then try to ssh to that Ip |
| 15:59.29 | Assassin5 | gonna have to. just wondered if there was a way without doing that. |
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| 16:00.29 | Diamond | someone knows why i can't use the : su command for login root ? |
| 16:00.40 | Diamond | the password for root will not work there? |
| 16:00.58 | Flimzy_ | Diamond: Then you either have root logins disabled, or you're typing the wrong password. |
| 16:01.08 | ofer1 | Flimzy_, or both |
| 16:01.22 | cahoot | Diamond: or running gentoo? |
| 16:01.24 | Flimzy_ | ofer1: that was an OR, not an XOR |
| 16:01.37 | Surferdude | While I'm waiting for that to install, can anyone recommend a good G Wireless adapter that is compatable with debian |
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| 16:01.47 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Atheros |
| 16:02.00 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Seems to have the best drivers in the world. Mmmm |
| 16:02.10 | Surferdude | they actually make linux drivers |
| 16:02.17 | Flimzy_ | Their linux drivers are awesome. |
| 16:02.26 | Flimzy_ | You can set up multiple virtual APs |
| 16:02.36 | Flimzy_ | I believe you can even run an AP and connect to another AP simultaneously |
| 16:02.38 | Surferdude | ooh, cool |
| 16:02.44 | Flimzy_ | with the same card |
| 16:02.50 | Diamond | Flimzy_ : i have lost my root password |
| 16:03.02 | Flimzy_ | Diamond: that would be a problem. Time to boot from a rescue disk! |
| 16:03.19 | Diamond | have changed it back now |
| 16:03.28 | Diamond | i can login as root but not with su |
| 16:03.30 | Diamond | anymore |
| 16:03.35 | Flimzy_ | odd |
| 16:03.38 | Flimzy_ | never heard of that before |
| 16:04.27 | Assassin5 | Diamond, so if you go to the first console you can login there? |
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| 16:05.07 | Surferdude | damn, they dont sell atheros adapters on newegg |
| 16:05.16 | Diilbert | Where is cron activity normally run ? |
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| 16:06.19 | Surferdude | wait... atheros is the chipset i though |
| 16:06.25 | Surferdude | *thought |
| 16:06.57 | Diamond | Assassin5 : yes i can login with putty |
| 16:06.59 | Diamond | on root |
| 16:07.14 | Diamond | in debian grafish i can't login |
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| 16:07.40 | christopherl | how do I change permission for a partition? |
| 16:07.54 | Diamond | only with main account |
| 16:07.58 | Diamond | but not with root |
| 16:08.07 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: I got my atheros adaptor on NewEgg :) |
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| 16:08.25 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Although I saw one at CompUSA for about half the price... But I'm not 100% confident they were the exact same card. |
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| 16:08.31 | Diamond | but when i try to reach the root console its saying password incorrect |
| 16:08.32 | Diamond | ;( |
| 16:08.40 | Diamond | i can only login with putty on root |
| 16:08.47 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: Generally speaking, partitions don't have permissions. What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:08.49 | Diamond | not in debian .. |
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| 16:09.00 | Assassin5 | Diamond, ahh not with ssh, what about if you go to your first console on <CTRL>+<ALT>+<F1>. Use <CTRL>+<ALT>+<F7> to get back. |
| 16:09.01 | Diilbert | OOps I ment, where does the cron normally log details... such as if a process was completed successfully? |
| 16:09.05 | santibiotico | is anyone using asterfax??? |
| 16:09.19 | cahoot | Diamond: maybe farfetched but - unusual characters that are mapped differently in the putty console vs the debian console? |
| 16:09.28 | Flimzy_ | Diilbert: /var/log/syslog or /var/log/cron* I suspect. |
| 16:09.38 | Flimzy_ | Diilbert: rgrep cron /var/log/* would tell you pretty quickly. |
| 16:09.45 | Diamond | ;/ |
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| 16:10.15 | christopherl | Flimzy_: I'm using Partimage for saving my Linux partition to a usbdisk, but it says I have no permission to save on the usbdisk |
| 16:10.29 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: then you don't have permission on the usbstick... |
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| 16:12.04 | christopherl | Flimzy_:Do you know how to get permission? |
| 16:12.16 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: Ask nicely? :) |
| 16:12.25 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: What filesystem is on your usb stick? |
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| 16:12.57 | christopherl | Flimzy_:It was Fat32, but I formatted it with ext3s |
| 16:14.12 | omry | installing a new server (etch), for some reason php is not working in the apache, even though I installed php5 and the apache2 module for it. somehow I only got php4 files in the /etc/apache2/mods-available dir, any idea? |
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| 16:14.27 | ofer1 | omry, give output for ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-available |
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| 16:15.20 | omry | ofer1: I got a whole bunch there. both php4 and 5 and conf and load files. |
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| 16:15.34 | ofer1 | omry, alright, paste the output in rafb.net/paste |
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| 16:15.49 | omry | ofer1: I tried to purge the php4-apache2 pachage, but the php4.* is still there. |
| 16:15.57 | fasta | Is there a browser-plugin for vlc? |
| 16:16.01 | cyzie | hello, how do i integrate java plugin to the iceweasel? |
| 16:16.05 | plutonas | i remember i have changed something in my system, so that the fonts and everything becomes bigger, how can i find out what to set it normal again? i can't remember what it was |
| 16:16.05 | ofer1 | omry, you can purge libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 16:16.17 | rahul | cyzie: same way you integrate it into any other browser |
| 16:16.32 | cyzie | how ? |
| 16:16.37 | rahul | put the plugin .so in the plugins dir, which is what should be done by the package already. |
| 16:16.44 | omry | http://rafb.net/p/ikB3sn31.html |
| 16:17.10 | christopherl | Flimzy_: Can't I chmod the usbdisk in command line to change permissions? |
| 16:17.13 | omry | ofer1: Package libapache2-mod-php4 is not installed, so not removed |
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| 16:17.20 | benluo | hi |
| 16:17.26 | cyzie | rahul, , no i don tthink so. |
| 16:17.29 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: Maybe. |
| 16:17.34 | ofer1 | omry, paste output for: dpkg -l | grep ii | grep php4 |
| 16:17.40 | ofer1 | omry, and run: a2enmod php5 |
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| 16:17.42 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: This isn't a Debian related issue, though... you need to ask someone on a partimage support forum or something. |
| 16:17.45 | cyzie | cuz when i load the java site, iceweasel complaint it does not find the jre |
| 16:17.53 | Flimzy_ | christopherl: I have no idea how a partimage boot does things |
| 16:18.03 | christopherl | ok |
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| 16:18.42 | rahul | cyzie: you think wrong. |
| 16:18.54 | rahul | cyzie: use debian and things will work. |
| 16:18.56 | omry | ofer1: it down't output anything. but I do have rc libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 16:19.16 | omry | ofer1: and a2enmod says its enabled. |
| 16:19.23 | cyzie | rahul, i AM using debian... |
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| 16:20.04 | incorrect | whats happened to embedian? |
| 16:20.33 | rahul | cyzie: then you have no problem |
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| 16:21.11 | Kaffien | does anyone know where I can find libical? im having issues finding it |
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| 16:21.55 | ofer1 | omry, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; aptitude purge libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 16:21.59 | ofer1 | omry, run it |
| 16:23.00 | cydork | incorrect: you mean emdebian? |
| 16:23.10 | incorrect | cydork: yes you are right |
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| 16:23.16 | fasta | Is Java 1.6 already released? |
| 16:23.17 | jelly | cyzie: did you install the sun-java5-plugin, or...? |
| 16:23.29 | incorrect | oh |
| 16:23.30 | incorrect | i see |
| 16:23.35 | incorrect | its been swallowed |
| 16:23.47 | Diilbert | Flimzy: Thanks.. that was what I was looking for ;) |
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| 16:26.05 | cyzie | jelly, thanks, i miss that package ;) |
| 16:26.15 | StarWars | hi all |
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| 16:27.16 | StarWars | How i must Configure my Sendmail to send mails to Inbox ...at this moment he send in "Bulk". |
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| 16:29.31 | bier_ | some hints on ati-driver and xorg 7.1.1? |
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| 16:30.09 | Ronin | bier_: some questions as to what is giving you problems |
| 16:30.55 | christopherl | how do I change the owner of a file in command line? |
| 16:31.07 | blondie | chown |
| 16:31.10 | bier_ | Ronin: the installer just says: X Server: Unknown X Window |
| 16:32.21 | bier_ | Xorg -version says X Window System 7.1.1 |
| 16:33.15 | Surferdude | wow... i think my computer is allergic to debian |
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| 16:33.47 | Surferdude | just tried a standard hard drive install, got grub error 17 on boot |
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| 16:35.17 | omry | ofer1: after some fiddling, I now have php5.load and conf in the enabled mods and not php4, but the server still not recognising the php code (phpmyadmin) |
| 16:35.40 | ofer1 | omry, you will have to associate the filename with the module. |
| 16:36.14 | Azar | good day honorables |
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| 16:36.27 | ofer1 | omry, using AddHandler. consult the docs for more info. if you're stuck with it, ask me again. I just don't remember it now, and I'll have to check it myself - which you can do on your own. |
| 16:36.30 | omry | mods-available/php5.conf: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 |
| 16:36.54 | Azar | interesting read for who has the time: What if Hardware Vendors are Trapped Too? http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/01/what_if_hardware_vendors_are_t.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=What+if+Hardware+Vendors+are+Trapped+Too |
| 16:37.08 | omry | ofer1: I would expect that the php5-apache2-mod do it for me |
| 16:37.08 | ofer1 | Azar, from slashdot? |
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| 16:37.21 | Azar | ofer1: no ^^^^^ O'Reilly |
| 16:37.32 | ofer1 | Azar, thanks, will read |
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| 16:39.20 | bokey | Azar, what is it about ? |
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| 16:40.19 | Azar | bokey: is kinda explaining why some hardware are not compatible with the spirit of free software, open source..etc |
| 16:40.36 | Azar | ati, nvidia etc... |
| 16:40.45 | bokey | Azar, right |
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| 16:41.06 | dhuv | hello all |
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| 16:41.36 | ofer1 | Azar, nvidia is far more FOSS-compliant than ATI. |
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| 16:41.53 | dkr | very slightly more |
| 16:41.53 | bokey | agreed |
| 16:42.07 | dhuv | I am running debian stable and installed perl with the debian packages, but since spamassassing was having problems I upgrade perl via cpan, the upgrade worked fine and it installed 5.8.8 but I need to install Debconf::Db.pm |
| 16:42.10 | RvGaTe | Where is the Home folder icon normally located ? |
| 16:42.19 | dkr | I'd say "linux friendly", not "FOSS-compliant" |
| 16:42.26 | Azar | ofer1: well "it just works" but free software ideology does not go well with proprietary hardware politics |
| 16:42.38 | bokey | dkr, :) |
| 16:42.57 | dkr | e.g.g the special "linux exception" they have in their license |
| 16:43.20 | bokey | itchi, ping |
| 16:43.33 | jelly | dhuv: perl is a rather crucial part of the Debian system, you shouldn't just upgrade all of it via CPAN... |
| 16:43.35 | Alptraum` | i'm searching a good tutorial for setting up a mail server on debian including procmail, anti-spam, etc. anybody knows one? |
| 16:43.50 | Alptraum` | should include imap too |
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| 16:43.55 | ofer1 | dhuv, paste output for "perl -MDebconf::Db -e1" |
| 16:43.57 | dhuv | jelly: I realize that, but I was hopeing it would also upgrade the other modules |
| 16:44.22 | ofer1 | Alptraum`, check debian-administration.org, I think I've seen something there. |
| 16:44.24 | dhuv | ofer1: PAST IT WHERE? |
| 16:44.27 | dhuv | sorry |
| 16:44.31 | jelly | !pastebin |
| 16:44.31 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 16:44.31 | dhuv | paste it where? |
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| 16:44.38 | ShredZ | Anyone got XGL working on etch in a fully accelerated way with nvidia ? |
| 16:44.45 | dkr | dhuv: you have to install the other modules throguh cpan as well. the debian package dmodules will be in 5.8.old version, not in 5.8.8 @INC path your new perl is looking for them |
| 16:44.57 | vince36 | hi all , im setting up a squid to block ads on a debian box, does anyone has something like this here ? |
| 16:45.17 | Azar | Alptraum`: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/debianserver.htm |
| 16:45.41 | dkr | vince36: I think privoxy is better suited to that. it's designed as ad filtering proxy |
| 16:45.44 | dhuv | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5215 |
| 16:46.36 | ofer1 | dhuv, paste output for "updatedb; locate Debconf/Db" |
| 16:46.37 | vince36 | dkr, thx , i know privoxy, but i need squid , because it's the same as a network that i managed , in another place |
| 16:46.38 | dkr | dhuv: as i said, it's looking in 5.8.8 dirs |
| 16:46.46 | dhuv | dkr: I know |
| 16:46.50 | Azar | ShredZ: nvidia on Etch.... not sure if it has it yet |
| 16:46.55 | dhuv | I wanted to know how I can install it for 5.8.8 |
| 16:47.01 | dkr | dhuv: so just install it to the right place, :) |
| 16:47.22 | ShredZ | Azar: you mean nvidia or xgl using nvidia ? |
| 16:47.24 | Alptraum` | Azar: that looks really nice, thank you. ofer1, ty too |
| 16:47.32 | dhuv | dkr: i am not able to go into cpan and do "install Debconf::Db |
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| 16:47.43 | dkr | dhuv: why not? |
| 16:47.44 | dhuv | doing "i Debconf" returns nothing |
| 16:47.58 | Azar | ShredZ: not sure, I use nvidia but I upgraded to Etch from Sarge and it works. |
| 16:48.03 | vince36 | is there an update list anywhere of some words to block , like "doubleclick" and others ? |
| 16:48.19 | ShredZ | Azar: ah good, cause my nvidia drivers seem to work fine in etch thanks |
| 16:48.19 | dhuv | dkr: "No objects found of any type for argument Debconf" |
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| 16:48.51 | Azar | !etch nvidia |
| 16:48.51 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php. |
| 16:48.54 | dkr | dhuv: ahhh, because Debconf is not in CPAN |
| 16:49.05 | Azar | ah cool |
| 16:49.20 | dhuv | dkr: great :) |
| 16:49.27 | ShredZ | !etch xgl |
| 16:49.32 | dhuv | dkr: is there anyway I get get it for 5.8.8? |
| 16:49.59 | dhuv | or tell only spamassassin to use 5.8.8 and everything else to use the old one? |
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| 16:50.18 | ShredZ | Azar: cause vista just came out here, I wanted to 'celebrate' on the 'new' features :) |
| 16:51.03 | Azar | ShredZ: not sure what you need but by googling :Debian Etch xgl gives you lots of stuff.. |
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| 16:51.10 | dkr | dhuv: maybe change your /usr/bin/perl back to perl5.8.4 and modify spamassassin to use /usr/bin/perl5.8.8 instead of /usr/bin/perl? thatw ay you system scripts will cotninu eusing debian version and packages |
| 16:51.21 | dkr | but sa will use newer stuff |
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| 16:51.37 | ShredZ | Azar: ye was trying one of the solutions, but just thought I'd ask here if it was worth trying before smashing into a brick wall somewhere |
| 16:51.47 | incorrect | which is the best tool to use? distcc? icecream? another? |
| 16:52.01 | Azar | ShredZ: I quit using mswindows three years ago and I won't go back for any other new version... I don't care about vista |
| 16:52.06 | dkr | dhuv: oh, heh, that's what you just said. I shouldn't be looking at kb when I type. :) |
| 16:52.10 | dhuv | dkr: any idea how I can tell sa to use 5.8.8? |
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| 16:52.40 | ShredZ | Azar: I haven't used windows for a lot longer than 3 years, but I'm a sucker for eye candy |
| 16:52.46 | dkr | dhuv: it's just a perl script. edit the first line |
| 16:52.46 | snowbird | when i run stream tuner i get error |
| 16:52.50 | snowbird | Failed to execute child process "xine" (no such file or directory). |
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| 16:52.58 | Azar | ShredZ: you should know by now that any linux distro will have issues with proprietary hardware, mostly with video.... workable though. |
| 16:53.26 | jelly | HP has packaged some of their Proliant management tools for sarge: http://h71028.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/433096-0-0-0-121.html |
| 16:53.58 | dkr | dhuv: btw, I resolved your situation by just going with etch on my mail server since it has perl5.8.8 latest spamassassni and all. :) |
| 16:54.01 | ShredZ | Azar: nvidia has always worked for me, but xgl needs some beta version to get full acceleration. Otherwise I really can't complain about the support for the geforce3 |
| 16:54.19 | dhuv | dkr: so I have to update to etch from sarge? |
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| 16:54.30 | dkr | dhuv: you don't have to, just giving you a possible alternative |
| 16:54.55 | dhuv | dkr: I was asking if I have to update the entire system, can't I just install perl 5.8.8? |
| 16:55.01 | Azar | ShredZ: I guess you could look at the unstable packages then try using backports to force what you want in Etch, but you might be expecting issues.... is a tester's field |
| 16:55.02 | dhuv | or it has other dependencies? |
| 16:55.09 | dkr | dhuv: yes, you can |
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| 16:55.45 | craigevil | if you want eyecandy use beryl, compiz or project looking glass |
| 16:55.45 | ShredZ | Azar: I'll be able to tell you in an hour or so I hope |
| 16:55.55 | thug | does dovecot support mysql ? |
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| 16:56.19 | Azar | ShredZ: http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm |
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| 16:56.28 | Thms | how can I have the "man sudo" in french ? |
| 16:56.41 | ShredZ | craigevil: working on installing latest nvidia driver, xgl and compiz atm, if all that works I'll try beryl |
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| 16:56.44 | cahoot | monsieur sudo? |
| 16:56.49 | dkr | thug: considering it depends on libmysqclient, I epect so |
| 16:57.05 | ShredZ | Azar: was trying this one http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~sta/howto/xgl-debian.html |
| 16:57.10 | craigevil | beryl is more stable than compiz |
| 16:57.27 | ShredZ | craigevil: ah, that's good to know |
| 16:57.53 | thug | dkr in the dovecot config does show any mysql entry .. i need to tell dovecot to connect to my mysql database |
| 16:58.00 | plutonas | Shadur, everyone seems to try to do the same thing these days |
| 16:58.09 | Azar | ShredZ: I keep my stuff at miniman and very simple, lack of time to enjoy testing stuff, working 6 days/week 10 hrs /day.. |
| 16:58.10 | plutonas | sorry ShredZ |
| 16:58.29 | dkr | thug: sounds like you need to read the dovecot documentation for instructions on how to do so, then. :) |
| 16:58.39 | thug | dkr hell yeah |
| 16:59.04 | Azar | :) you guys already started testing the future "testing" version of Debian |
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| 16:59.58 | snowbird | can some one help me with stream tuner? |
| 16:59.58 | dkr | incidentally, dovecot is a cool name. It's the word for a place where carrier pigeons live, so makes sense for a progam that lets you retrieve your mail. :) |
| 17:00.01 | plutonas | Azar, the future testing is sid? |
| 17:00.11 | ShredZ | plutonas: what do you expect, all those beryl movies on youtube look totally horny to eye candy fans |
| 17:00.25 | craigevil | sid is always sid |
| 17:00.43 | plutonas | ShredZ, well yes, i am not an eye candy fan, thats why i dont like it :P |
| 17:01.07 | Ronin | plutonas: etch +1 is lenny |
| 17:01.34 | plutonas | but i hear about 4-5 people a day (in other channels too) that try to install beryl |
| 17:01.58 | dkr | Ronin: for real? yuck, reminds me of that guy who bites his hand from Laverne & Shirley |
| 17:02.04 | plutonas | i think i am gonna try it too, to look what all that people use |
| 17:02.04 | snowbird | xine" (no such file or directory |
| 17:02.32 | ShredZ | plutonas: all I really want from this stuff is exposÊ on linux :/ Once you get used to that on mac it's silly to use an os that doesn't have it (in the same fluently decent way) |
| 17:02.40 | Azar | plutonas: no, I forgot the name but is not sid. Sid will be the forever unstable |
| 17:02.47 | cahoot | snowbird: you've obviously alread installed xine? |
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| 17:02.55 | snowbird | yeah |
| 17:03.09 | snowbird | cant get it to play music in strem tuner |
| 17:03.15 | plutonas | :D |
| 17:03.23 | cahoot | snowbird: ok was just going for the obvious |
| 17:03.24 | Azar | Sid is the sandbox where you go and detonate any gadget you want |
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| 17:03.40 | snowbird | cahoot, should i try reinstall xine? |
| 17:04.06 | cahoot | snowbird: can you execute xine standalone? |
| 17:04.17 | snowbird | il try |
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| 17:05.03 | snowbird | cahoot if i try to run it on own it fails |
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| 17:05.11 | Gargoyle | Greetings. |
| 17:05.20 | thug | dovecot need to re reuilb to get mysql support ? |
| 17:05.24 | cahoot | snowbird: run it from a term - look for errors |
| 17:05.33 | snowbird | kk |
| 17:05.43 | jelly | find / -name \*base\* -uid you -print0 | xargs chown -R we |
| 17:06.13 | Gargoyle | If I wanted to filter mail for other SMTP servers, is the correct way to have a MX (10) record that points hostx to my server. Then on my server have an entry in /etc/hosts that points hostx back to the real destination server? |
| 17:06.52 | snowbird | cahoot, what would comand be |
| 17:06.59 | cahoot | xine? |
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| 17:07.10 | snowbird | wont run when i typew that |
| 17:08.48 | thug | apt-get install dovecot doesnt exist any idea how do i get mysql support for dovecot ? |
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| 17:09.27 | jelly | Gargoyle: depends on your MTA, but probably not. You'll have to somehow create an explicit route for those mails to push them to the destination |
| 17:09.46 | cahoot | snowbird: that's rather uninformative |
| 17:10.02 | snowbird | yeah trying someting from google |
| 17:10.04 | Gargoyle | jelly: I alreay have my server acting as a backup MX. |
| 17:10.13 | snowbird | maybe try xmms insterad |
| 17:10.34 | eisen | is there a command to get an overview over the init scripts (enabled/disabled and runlevel)? |
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| 17:10.56 | jelly | Gargoyle: hmm, but if it's only backup MX, then if it is down mail will not get filtered |
| 17:12.20 | Gargoyle | yeah, but if I change the DNS to point the high priority to me also, but have a local hosts entry, would my server not think it was just receiving the backup emails, then try to forward them using the IP address in my hosts file? |
| 17:13.07 | jelly | Gargoyle: depends on your MTA. |
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| 17:13.16 | Gargoyle | postfix! |
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| 17:13.29 | jelly | Gargoyle: ... #postfix might be a better place to ask |
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| 17:13.39 | snowbird | cahoot |
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| 17:13.41 | Gargoyle | asking therer too! :) |
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| 17:13.47 | snowbird | maybe should rinstall xine? |
| 17:13.54 | dhuv | dkr: is there anyway to tell apt to use /usr/bin/perl5.8.4 instead |
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| 17:14.49 | thelostbutler | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.15 | christopherl | the owner of my new usbdisk(ext3) is to root, how can I change the owner? |
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| 17:16.02 | dimir | LOL |
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| 17:16.08 | eisen | great password |
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| 17:16.16 | Ronin | thanks |
| 17:17.53 | dhuv | how can I have apt use a different version of perl than the rest of the system? |
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| 17:18.54 | Azar | ok the next Debian testing after Etch will be released is called LENNY :) |
| 17:19.08 | Azar | cool name |
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| 17:19.19 | lunaphyte_ | how can i troubleshoot a spontaneously rebooting server? it is suddenly doing this following a dist-upgrade. |
| 17:19.32 | dhuv | Azar: when is Etch expected to become the next stable? |
| 17:19.48 | cydork | dhuv: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 17:20.08 | Azar | dhuv: when is gonna be ready |
| 17:20.22 | Azar | might be few weeks, a month, two months.. |
| 17:20.23 | valdyn | dhuv: apt-get uses perl? |
| 17:20.37 | dhuv | valdyn: debconf |
| 17:20.57 | Azar | "With the upload of the new kernel for Etch, we can now start seriously preparing the RC2 release of Debian Installer." which kernel version? |
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| 17:21.11 | dhuv | I have 2 versions of perl, 1 that came with debian and debconf, 2 for spamassassin because it had a bug with 5.8.4 |
| 17:21.20 | Azar | 2.6.18? |
| 17:21.27 | cahoot | -4 |
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| 17:22.15 | valdyn | dhuv: 2 doesnt work with the usual scripts? |
| 17:22.45 | dhuv | valdyn: spamasssassin has a problem with the Net::DNS module in 5.8.4 |
| 17:22.56 | dhuv | so I upgraded to 5.8.8, but there is no debconf in cpan |
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| 17:23.15 | dhuv | and I cannot install 5.8.8 on sarge without going to a lot of other crap |
| 17:23.25 | valdyn | dhuv: ok, now i see, you can install cdebconf |
| 17:23.31 | stew | dhuv: you really don't want to be installing newer versions of perl |
| 17:23.48 | stew | dhuv: does the spamassassin in volatile have the same problem with 5.8.4? |
| 17:23.57 | dhuv | stew: it was either that or lots of HAM gets flagged as spam |
| 17:23.59 | valdyn | dhuv: better solution would probably be to ONLY let sa use the new release, nothing else |
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| 17:24.12 | Azar | news: Debian Installer RC2 kick-off http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2061 |
| 17:24.19 | valdyn | dhuv: cdebconf doesnt need perl anyway |
| 17:24.35 | dhuv | valdyn: I would not mind, but the filter program is /usr/bin/spamc and I dont know how to tell it to use perl5.8.8 |
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| 17:25.17 | dhuv | valdyn: I can use cdebconf to replace the perl implementation? |
| 17:25.57 | dhuv | why is it not being used in the first place? |
| 17:25.58 | valdyn | dhuv: yea |
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| 17:26.10 | valdyn | dhuv: probably not tested as well, i don't know |
| 17:26.45 | dhuv | valdyn: it is asking to remove almost everything else in order to install cdebconf, I cannot do that |
| 17:27.02 | valdyn | dhuv: weird, i have that installed fine |
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| 17:27.53 | Azar | dependencies? |
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| 17:28.52 | garotosopa | Hi! When the computer crashes and Alt+SysRq+K doesn't work is it more like to be a kernel/hardware problem only or could also be caused by a user land program? Debian Etch kernel 2.6.18. Any ideas? |
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| 17:32.46 | valdyn | garotosopa: userland cant crash your computer, if it does, that's a kernel bug |
| 17:32.53 | plutonas | garotosopa, it is possible that only the window manager crashes. |
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| 17:33.30 | plutonas | and the keyboard becomes unusable |
| 17:33.30 | Kaffien | X is suddenly gone |
| 17:33.30 | valdyn | garotosopa: ( except for a few selected retarded things like writing to /dev/kmem etc ) |
| 17:33.30 | Kaffien | xserver-xorg is the package that contains X right? |
| 17:33.30 | x_link | Hi |
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| 17:33.31 | x_link | Does all apt-get install packages come to /usr/bin ? |
| 17:33.34 | plutonas | garotosopa, you should try to ssh on the mashine the next time that happens |
| 17:33.37 | valdyn | Kaffien: no, it contains part of X |
| 17:33.37 | ofer1 | x_link, no |
| 17:33.43 | x_link | ofer1: Okey, thanks. |
| 17:33.48 | Kaffien | what package contains it |
| 17:33.51 | Kaffien | the actually binary |
| 17:34.01 | plutonas | and then you can find out, if it is the wm or the kernel |
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| 17:34.44 | garotosopa | plutonas, while listening to amarok on kde, would it also stop on WM issues? |
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| 17:35.09 | snowbird | need audio help |
| 17:35.16 | Ronin | !tell snowbird about ask |
| 17:35.18 | plutonas | garo, i dont think so... |
| 17:35.28 | plutonas | have to restart X now by the way :P |
| 17:35.33 | garotosopa | plutonas, so it might be something worst :S |
| 17:35.36 | snowbird | i need help with stream tuner |
| 17:35.40 | plutonas | something doesnt work as it should... |
| 17:35.47 | plutonas | after a sleep session |
| 17:35.48 | Kaffien | anyhow X is not in /usr/bin/X11 anymore |
| 17:35.54 | Azar | snowbird: state your Debian version, kernel version, player name and if you got alsa installed.. |
| 17:36.21 | snowbird | debian etch k kernal alsa insalled amaorock |
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| 17:36.40 | snowbird | azar alsa play system sounds |
| 17:36.49 | Azar | snowbird: and you never had sound since you installed etch? |
| 17:36.50 | snowbird | here is error for amorock |
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| 17:37.09 | snowbird | have sound now no stream tuner |
| 17:37.22 | Azar | eeeekk.. is your regular player working? say something like xmms...etc |
| 17:37.24 | garotosopa | valdyn, considering the computer crashed due to the kernel, is it usually a bug or hardware problems? already tried others vga and memory tho... not temperature problem too... |
| 17:37.25 | StarWars | How i must Configure my Sendmail to send mails to Inbox ...at this moment he send in "Bulk". |
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| 17:37.40 | snowbird | Failed to execute child process "amorock" (no such file or directory). |
| 17:37.57 | Azar | bah, try installing that thing again |
| 17:38.00 | snowbird | azar in firefox live wont play |
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| 17:38.21 | snowbird | what that error? |
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| 17:39.01 | Azar | "no such file or directory" hmmmm either is not there either you got to add your username to the group audio? |
| 17:39.34 | snowbird | how would i add user name to group for audio? |
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| 17:39.43 | jethro | adduser $user audio |
| 17:39.45 | snowbird | should i reinstall amorock? |
| 17:39.47 | Flimzy_ | Are there any ready-made packages that make it simple to load-balance between multiple ISPs in Linux? Specifically with squid? I want to set up a squid cache with 2 or 3 Internet connections, and take advantage of all available connections for downloads... |
| 17:39.53 | Dual-MAn | I have a server 2003 proxy with isa firwall for internet control and filtering/logging per user, is it possible to replace my windows box with debian and have the same capability? |
| 17:39.56 | AeonLibrarian | Does someone has a nice MKV player for me? |
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| 17:40.08 | Azar | snowbird: if it is installed it might be your username does not have access to the feature |
| 17:40.17 | Flimzy_ | Dual-MAn: isa firewall? |
| 17:40.40 | Azar | hahaha hi karsten :) |
| 17:40.41 | Dual-MAn | internet security and accelleration |
| 17:40.43 | karsten | ... gives a new meaning to time-limited account. |
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| 17:40.53 | karsten | Azar: EINSUFFICIENTCOFFEE |
| 17:41.08 | Azar | ganze kofee hier |
| 17:41.10 | AeonLibrarian | Does someone has a nice MKV player for me? please? very very please? |
| 17:41.22 | wad | Bah. Coffee. My life is exciting enough without artificial stimulants. |
| 17:41.24 | karmatronic | Dual-MAn: yeah |
| 17:41.30 | Azar | very please? whatever could be a MKV player? |
| 17:41.42 | karmatronic | Dual-MAn: minima debian install + iptables + proxy squid |
| 17:41.43 | snowbird | jethro, add suer not work |
| 17:41.45 | Dual-MAn | karmatronic: thanks, what would i use for filtering logging? |
| 17:41.51 | AeonLibrarian | sorry a MKV supported media player |
| 17:41.59 | rahul | !mkv |
| 17:41.59 | Azar | snowbird: suer? |
| 17:41.59 | dpkg | Matroska container for audio and/or video, streamable. supports chapters, vobsub subtitles and multiple streams (mkv for video/audio, mka for audio only). high error recovery rate. see matroska.org |
| 17:42.03 | AeonLibrarian | Matroska Video |
| 17:42.03 | snowbird | user |
| 17:42.08 | karmatronic | Dual-MAn: you could use row LOGGING from iptables |
| 17:42.17 | rahul | that's all anyone knows about it |
| 17:42.24 | Azar | snowbird: adduser "IvanTheTerrible" audio |
| 17:42.30 | Dual-MAn | how about per user logging and bandwidth control? |
| 17:42.31 | karmatronic | snowbird: what s the matter? |
| 17:42.34 | Azar | ... if that's your username |
| 17:42.36 | AeonLibrarian | so i cant watch my anime =( |
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| 17:42.50 | rahul | aww |
| 17:42.52 | karmatronic | karmatronic: dont know about bandwidth control |
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| 17:43.04 | snowbird | karmatronic, |
| 17:43.05 | Dual-MAn | how about user logging |
| 17:43.07 | ness | hi, on debian/amd64 testing (etch), I do "ld -b elf32-i386 --oformat elf32-i386 -r -o foo.o bar.o", which causes the rather weird error "ld: Relocatable linking with relocations from format elf32-i386 (arch/ia32/boot.o) to format elf32-i386 (t.o) is not supported". Ideas? |
| 17:43.09 | karmatronic | Dual-MAn: what do you mean with per user logginf |
| 17:43.10 | Azar | AeonLibrarian: sorry that is some awesome player but never heard of.. |
| 17:43.16 | jethro | snowbird: works for me |
| 17:43.22 | snowbird | my stream tuner wont play or amorock but i get system sounds |
| 17:43.31 | snowbird | didn't work for me' |
| 17:43.36 | karmatronic | Dual-MAn: everybody has to put its login/password in order to surf the web ? |
| 17:43.46 | Dual-MAn | yes |
| 17:43.50 | AeonLibrarian | Azar: Thanks anyway =P |
| 17:43.51 | Azar | snowbird: did you tried to see if a regular player works? |
| 17:43.58 | karmatronic | Dual-MAn: easy with squid |
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| 17:44.06 | snowbird | il try as root |
| 17:44.21 | karmatronic | Dual-MAn: plus you can use squid log files to check websites visited |
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| 17:44.29 | karmatronic | snowbird: ? |
| 17:45.15 | snowbird | already a member of audio |
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| 17:45.32 | Azar | snowbird: did you unmuted the channels with alsamixer? |
| 17:45.49 | snowbird | how i check |
| 17:45.59 | Azar | type: alsamixer in console |
| 17:46.10 | snowbird | karmatronic, error Failed to execute child process "amorock" (no such file or directory). |
| 17:46.42 | Azar | snowbird: might be you do not have it installed? |
| 17:46.49 | snowbird | i am in alsa mixer |
| 17:47.00 | snowbird | azar dont know what aint installed? |
| 17:47.09 | Azar | snowbird: that amorock thing |
| 17:47.20 | snowbird | i have icon bye clock |
| 17:47.24 | jethro | snowbird: are you sure you'r enot looking for amarok instead of amorock ? |
| 17:47.26 | snowbird | and its in my players |
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| 17:47.39 | snowbird | maybe |
| 17:47.55 | Azar | icons... |
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| 17:48.40 | snowbird | i can play a test file |
| 17:49.10 | Azar | we still hang on icons... by now we could have systems that will open apps at voice command... |
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| 17:49.44 | jethro | or mind reading |
| 17:49.51 | snowbird | azar any ideas how i would get stream player to play? |
| 17:49.55 | Azar | yea better that, what about the ones who can't speak |
| 17:50.00 | jethro | :] |
| 17:50.36 | Azar | snowbird: I never used a stream player, but for your peace of mind, install xmms and see if it works... to figure out if is an alsa issue, or an application issue |
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| 17:50.53 | snowbird | ok |
| 17:51.01 | Azar | snowbird: did you instruct your amarok thing to use alsa? |
| 17:51.02 | snowbird | apt get xmms? |
| 17:51.09 | snowbird | no alzar |
| 17:51.10 | Azar | aptitude install xmms |
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| 17:51.45 | Azar | well I had to go on xmms and switch its settings from oss to alsa... I assume amarok would have the same settings? maybe not |
| 17:51.58 | snowbird | it did |
| 17:52.32 | Azar | well install xmms, switch to alsa see if it works or not.. |
| 17:52.57 | hark | snowbird: this stream player is a part of amarok? |
| 17:53.03 | snowbird | yes |
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| 17:53.15 | Azar | maybe you need to replace the oss modules with alsa ones ( ..._snd) |
| 17:53.20 | |zetetic| | Hi. No matter what I do I have port 1863 open! I'm behing a router and I don't have any incoming traffic allowed on the router. Besides I have Firestarter denying all incoming connections! So I don't understand why all port scanners are saying I have port 1863 open. I'm running debian etch. Can anyone help me on this issue please? |
| 17:54.03 | Azar | |zetetic|: maybe there is a legit process using this port |
| 17:54.39 | |zetetic| | I scanned my computer from another computer, with a port scanner. I also scanned my ports on PCFlank, PcAudit and Grc.com! all are saying I have port 1863 open! |
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| 17:54.58 | Azar | sure it is used by some appcrap on your PC |
| 17:55.12 | snowbird | were i change also to oss |
| 17:55.21 | Azar | oss to alsa you mean |
| 17:55.26 | |zetetic| | Azar: nope, because I have all incoming ports blocked on the router! |
| 17:55.40 | Azar | |zetetic|: I am taliking outbound |
| 17:55.51 | |zetetic| | Azar: I'm talking inbound |
| 17:56.19 | Azar | snowbird: what is the name of your audio module? |
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| 17:56.36 | snowbird | what you mean? |
| 17:56.39 | Azar | snowbird: paste the output of your /etc/modules content in a paster |
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| 17:57.06 | Azar | snowbird: less /etc/modules |
| 17:57.21 | |zetetic| | Does a fressh install of debian etch has applications listening on port 1863? |
| 17:57.30 | bokey | |zetetic|, no |
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| 17:57.43 | Azar | |zetetic|: depends of what applications you chosen to install with it.. |
| 17:57.54 | jjazz | zet: sudo netstat -plunt |
| 17:58.10 | |zetetic| | Azar: I have all incoming connections blocked on the router |
| 17:58.19 | Azar | |zetetic|: you could google for port1863 to see what is its use |
| 17:58.27 | |zetetic| | Azar: and I also have all incoming connections blocked on Firestarter... |
| 17:58.39 | Azar | what about "outgoing" ? |
| 17:58.41 | snowbird | azzar loop and rt2500 |
| 17:58.59 | Azar | snowbird: paste the /etc/modules in a paster |
| 17:59.00 | dimir | !nickometer |zetetic| |
| 17:59.01 | dpkg | '|zetetic|' is 26.000% lame, dimir |
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| 17:59.09 | bokey | |zetetic|, it's not of your incoming connections. it's simply that you have a process that's listening at port 183 |
| 17:59.20 | |zetetic| | Azar: any malware can use port 1863. But if you are talking about "legitimate software", I know port 1863 is used by msn service |
| 17:59.26 | Azar | Gnea you l33t ipv6 |
| 17:59.43 | Azar | msn? you use msn? |
| 17:59.46 | Azar | ewwwwwwww |
| 17:59.59 | karmatronic | Azar: sometimes you have to..... |
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| 18:00.14 | Azar | karmatronic: why? |
| 18:00.21 | karmatronic | Azar: i have ejabberd installed and gateway to msn |
| 18:00.21 | jethro | to get the chicks |
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| 18:00.39 | |zetetic| | nstat -plunt doesn't show any process listening on port 1863! |
| 18:00.47 | Azar | well then that might be: the process has to connect out all the time? |
| 18:00.52 | sxpert | jethro, NCIS fan ? |
| 18:00.53 | |zetetic| | Azar: I use kopete |
| 18:00.54 | karmatronic | so i canchat with my friends fond of msn sucking network |
| 18:00.54 | bokey | |zetetic|, "netstat -anp | less" |
| 18:01.00 | jethro | sxpert: not at all. |
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| 18:01.13 | karmatronic | jabber rules |
| 18:01.16 | jethro | sxpert: why? |
| 18:01.35 | Azar | well some stuff are well hidden and still listening, connecting to "home" damn am I glad I quit windows |
| 18:01.50 | karmatronic | Azar: yeah! |
| 18:01.53 | Azar | craps calling "home" |
| 18:02.03 | sxpert | jethro, there's a "Jethro Gibbs" character in there |
| 18:02.11 | Azar | then you sigh and accept you clicked Yes on that Eula |
| 18:02.12 | karmatronic | saw than in order to run vista you need a pc not older than 2 years |
| 18:02.16 | Thms | can I use compiz with nv ? |
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| 18:02.22 | jethro | sxpert: the first jethro ever was a relative to moses, it doesn't make me a bible fan either |
| 18:02.26 | bokey | never got around this jabber thingy. 0..0 |
| 18:02.28 | karmatronic | how can people buy that crap |
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| 18:02.42 | sxpert | jethro, ah well :D |
| 18:02.50 | Ronin | karmatronic: easy, some have no choice |
| 18:03.05 | |zetetic| | bokey: netstat -anp | less doesn't show any process listing on port 1863 either |
| 18:03.35 | Ronin | |zetetic|: i missed it earlier, but aren't you connecting to teh msn network on something? |
| 18:03.36 | cydork | Thms: nope. compiz needs aiglx(/xgl), which needs stupid nvidia drivers. |
| 18:03.36 | snowbird | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5216 |
| 18:03.42 | Azar | Id say people still using mswindows and ms apps should accept that some apps will continously use ports to call home and give reports about their well being |
| 18:03.47 | snowbird | my pastte azzar |
| 18:03.56 | bokey | |zetetic|, are you sure ? paste the output @ pastebin. |
| 18:03.56 | Azar | snowbird: ok one moment |
| 18:04.26 | bokey | cydork, aiglx works on ati as well no ? |
| 18:04.33 | Thms | cydork: okay it's so stupid... cydork do you know any good theme for gnome, kde, xfce or other so ? |
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| 18:04.50 | JordiGH | Is there a place to pester knowitalls with newbie and wannabe DD questions? |
| 18:04.52 | Azar | snowbird: that rt2500 is your sound module? |
| 18:05.03 | snowbird | nope wifi |
| 18:05.05 | JordiGH | I mean, besides debian-mentors. I want a chat. |
| 18:05.05 | cydork | bokey: not all afaik. there is a list of supported cards somewhere .. |
| 18:05.08 | bokey | cydork, i think it's more about xorg than the drivers per se. |
| 18:05.16 | |zetetic| | Ronin: no, I am not connecting to the msn network. Besides I havve all incoming traffic blocked on the router... So even If I had something listening on port 1863 the router would block it and so the web scan should't show that port as opened |
| 18:05.25 | Azar | snowbird: so you got no sound module, did you ran alsaconf yet? |
| 18:05.32 | snowbird | yeah |
| 18:05.34 | Flimzy_ | Is there any danger in zapping /var/cache/apt entirely? Or should I strictly use apt-get clean? |
| 18:05.45 | snowbird | get system sounds |
| 18:05.52 | cydork | Thms: no idea about that, google for gnome-look or kde-look |
| 18:05.53 | Azar | sucks, id did not put your alsa sound module up yet |
| 18:06.09 | Flimzy_ | Specifically, I'm wondering if I should include /var/cache/apt in a minimalistic boot disk... heh |
| 18:06.09 | bokey | |zetetic|, as i said, it's your damn computer listening for "incoming" connections at port 1863. |
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| 18:06.25 | Ronin | |zetetic|: wouldnt trust those web scan places as far as i could throw them |
| 18:06.30 | bokey | !pastebin | |zetetic| |
| 18:06.52 | cydork | |zetetic|: you mentioned that you have router running, if you are doing web scan it will scan the router.. |
| 18:06.55 | Azar | snowbird: try running "alsaconf" command again then check /etc/modules to see if you got the sound module |
| 18:07.05 | snowbird | ok |
| 18:07.09 | |zetetic| | Ronin: but a also scanned my computer from another computer, with a port scanner, and it also showed port 1863 opened |
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| 18:07.21 | bokey | |zetetic|, yes unless you have port forward running on your router for port 1863 |
| 18:07.24 | jjazz | |zetetic|: sudo netstat -plunt |
| 18:07.32 | |zetetic| | bokey: I don't now how to use pastebin :( |
| 18:07.52 | Ronin | |zetetic|: man, just copy and paste to pastebin.ca then tell us the url |
| 18:08.02 | |zetetic| | cydork: yes, it would scan the router. that's why this is so strange... |
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| 18:08.33 | Azar | jjazz: nah he is just scared because he does not know what windows did to his ports |
| 18:08.47 | cahoot | Azar: it might be so that the alsamodules are in /etc/modules.d/alsa-base (at least if this is an etch) |
| 18:08.49 | jjazz | Azar: <|zetetic|> bokey: I don't now how to use pastebin :( |
| 18:08.49 | |zetetic| | bokey: I don't have port forward or virtual servers on the router, neither I have the router on dmz |
| 18:08.57 | jjazz | Azar: I mean, come on. |
| 18:09.06 | secher | Has there been a resolution on the dependencies between phpgroupware needing php4 and testing providing only php5? |
| 18:09.11 | Azar | jjazz: not everyone use irc on a daily basis.. |
| 18:09.17 | jjazz | Azar: Fair enough. |
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| 18:09.42 | bokey | !pastebin |
| 18:09.42 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 18:10.17 | snowbird | building card database |
| 18:10.18 | bokey | |zetetic|, copy the output of "netstat -plunt" and paste it to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 18:10.34 | jjazz | |zetetic|: Run it as root |
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| 18:11.37 | cahoot | Azar: err /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
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| 18:14.10 | |zetetic| | bokey: http://pastebin.ca/333100 |
| 18:14.29 | snowbird | cahoot no file or directory should i try lpci? |
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| 18:15.03 | Azar | |zetetic|: you could also try to turn off the windows service that uses that port, do a scan again and see.. and if you need that service turn it in 'manual" from "auto" ? |
| 18:15.08 | |zetetic| | bokey: anyone else have tested port 1863 on a port scanner? |
| 18:15.28 | cahoot | snowbird: huh? |
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| 18:15.46 | snowbird | does not work that comand |
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| 18:15.56 | garotosopa | will 32bits packages run with 64bits libraries? |
| 18:15.58 | erchache | hi... |
| 18:16.00 | |zetetic| | Azar: I don't know what service is using that port |
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| 18:16.10 | erchache | i have a raid-0 scsi mount for / |
| 18:16.15 | earthian | hello, where do I set swap priority? |
| 18:16.18 | Azar | |zetetic|: simple google for that port and will get the answer |
| 18:16.25 | erchache | and randomly put on readonly mode and dont show any error |
| 18:16.28 | erchache | why? |
| 18:16.43 | |zetetic| | Azar: as far as I know only msn messenger uses thar port |
| 18:16.43 | erchache | can anybody tell me a solution? |
| 18:16.57 | cahoot | snowbird: what command? |
| 18:17.02 | snowbird | working |
| 18:17.03 | Azar | |zetetic|: then is the msn messenger keeping the port open |
| 18:17.03 | petemc | erchache: nothing in dmesg or messages? |
| 18:17.05 | jjazz | |zetetic|: You didn't run that netstat command as root, did you? |
| 18:17.11 | erchache | petemc: nothing |
| 18:17.22 | erchache | this is most strange |
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| 18:17.28 | snowbird | hold on |
| 18:17.32 | Demosthenex | what's a valid sources line for etch? |
| 18:17.33 | Thms | http://88.191.40.44/~jacko/emails.php how to solve this ? |
| 18:17.37 | erchache | grown errors is > than zero |
| 18:17.44 | erchache | rest of raid set is 0 |
| 18:17.46 | |zetetic| | jjazz: sorry, no I didn't. I will run it again |
| 18:17.48 | snowbird | xmms plays live raido |
| 18:17.56 | snowbird | amorock and stream tuner wont |
| 18:18.02 | Azar | Demosthenex: the one that contains the / etch stanza in it |
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| 18:18.09 | jjazz | Demosthenex: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 18:18.33 | erchache | if make a touch test.txt |
| 18:18.35 | Azar | .. or / testing :) |
| 18:18.42 | erchache | say readonly filesystem |
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| 18:18.59 | |zetetic| | jjazz: should I use instead this command: "sudo netstat -pan --inet" ? |
| 18:19.09 | jjazz | |zetetic|: sudo netstat -plunt |
| 18:19.24 | snowbird | cahoot should i remove amorock? |
| 18:19.35 | erchache | smartmontools doesnt run for scsi? |
| 18:19.39 | Demosthenex | jjazz: thanks,i blew my sources.lsit :P |
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| 18:19.57 | petemc | erchache: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 18:20.05 | jjazz | Demosthenex: Might I suggest backups? Maybe even just backup /etc? |
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| 18:20.10 | cahoot | snowbird: sorry I've no real idea what the cause of and soulution to your problems are |
| 18:20.26 | earthian | I have two swap partitions, where do I set swap priority so that kernel would use both at the same time like RAID0 ?? |
| 18:20.26 | snowbird | me either |
| 18:20.37 | erchache | petemc: but why happs this? |
| 18:20.45 | Azar | snowbird: your first question to yourself should be: are my alsa modules set? second: do a normal player work? third: is my amarok player installed/broken? .. |
| 18:20.48 | petemc | erchache: if theres nothing in the logs i would have no idea |
| 18:20.55 | petemc | erchache: it doesnt do that automatically |
| 18:20.56 | erchache | hardware error? |
| 18:20.57 | petemc | ? |
| 18:20.58 | petemc | ermm |
| 18:21.02 | petemc | earthian: ^^ |
| 18:21.14 | petemc | damn nick completion.. |
| 18:21.17 | snowbird | azar think amorock broken |
| 18:21.18 | earthian | :o |
| 18:21.29 | petemc | earthian: have you verified its not using both swap spaces? |
| 18:21.34 | Azar | snowbird: see? you jumped to the last one first. |
| 18:21.47 | snowbird | yeah |
| 18:21.58 | snowbird | read outher last one looks right |
| 18:21.59 | Thms | http://88.191.40.44/~jacko/emails.php how to solve this ? |
| 18:22.06 | |zetetic| | jjazz: http://pastebin.ca/333108 |
| 18:22.14 | Azar | snowbird: so you do not know the answer to the first and second question, but you jump to the third? |
| 18:22.34 | snowbird | also looks set normal palyer works |
| 18:22.41 | earthian | petemc: |
| 18:22.44 | earthian | Filename Type Size Used Priority |
| 18:22.44 | earthian | /dev/hda2 partition 522104 1604 -1 |
| 18:22.44 | earthian | /dev/mapper/via_ibaefechf5 partition 2008084 0 -2 |
| 18:22.44 | Azar | you do not know if you got the alsa modules set but you want to reinstall amarok? |
| 18:23.02 | earthian | here you see one partition have -1 and another -2 priority |
| 18:23.07 | earthian | i want them both have -1 |
| 18:23.15 | Azar | snowbird: ok is not harm to remove / install again amarok |
| 18:23.23 | snowbird | right |
| 18:23.46 | jjazz | |zetetic|: It's not that box. Nothing on that box is listening on port 1863. |
| 18:23.51 | Azar | even though you do not have a single sound module in /etc/modules :) |
| 18:23.55 | libben | ~sound |
| 18:24.03 | Ronin | jjazz: router, any bets? |
| 18:24.11 | jjazz | Ronin: I won't take that one. |
| 18:24.19 | secher | Ok, phpgroupware still has not fixed it's incompatability with php5. There's a work around, but that's not good enough. Can I get a few suggestions for replacements for phpgorupware? |
| 18:24.28 | snowbird | try xmms |
| 18:24.41 | |zetetic| | Azar: I dont have msn messenger installed. I'm running debian etch and I hate microsoft. I have kopete installed but the port sacnners shows port 1863 open even without kopete started. I also have Firestarter blocking any incomming connections |
| 18:24.46 | cahoot | jjazz: pointless to nmap the router? |
| 18:25.32 | bokey | cahoot, unless it's his/her router that's playing up |
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| 18:25.39 | jjazz | cahoot: Never pointless, But from inside the LAN, it might give different answers than from outside, which is what |zetetic| is concerned about. |
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| 18:25.58 | erchache | petemc: and how i can do a fsck.ext3 on the wild? |
| 18:26.01 | bokey | |zetetic|, did you check your private message ? |
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| 18:26.17 | snowbird | thanks so far lots of progress |
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| 18:26.36 | petemc | erchache: touch /forcefsck and reboot ? |
| 18:26.44 | |zetetic| | jjazz: could it be microsoft server the culprit? perhaps it is microsoft server who is listening to that port and not my computer... |
| 18:26.52 | erchache | :-S |
| 18:26.54 | vulture | |zetetic|: wtf? |
| 18:27.05 | Ronin | |zetetic|: microsfot server? |
| 18:27.08 | bokey | |zetetic|, so you have a virtual server running ? |
| 18:27.23 | lol | hi all. Is there a way the packaged version of mysql can use utf8 on woody? |
| 18:27.28 | vulture | |zetetic|: the only thing that can be listening for incoming connections to your computer is.. your computer. |
| 18:27.37 | jjazz | |zetetic|: I don't know what else is on your LAN or what else you have running. All I know is that your Debian box is not listening on port 1863, so if you're worried about somebody getting to your Debian box on that port, you can stop worrying. |
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| 18:28.24 | erchache | i reask question |
| 18:28.25 | |zetetic| | bokey: no, I don't have any virtual servers running |
| 18:28.32 | erchache | how i can use a fsck on a mounted partition? |
| 18:28.35 | Thms | http://88.191.40.44/~jacko/emails.php how to solve this ? |
| 18:28.43 | Ronin | |zetetic|: what microsoft server? |
| 18:28.47 | vulture | erchache: um.. you don't? (so far as I know) |
| 18:29.01 | erchache | livecd boot and do it? |
| 18:29.04 | erchache | vulture |
| 18:29.09 | |zetetic| | jjazz: ok, thank you very much. bokey is now scanning my 1863 port |
| 18:29.14 | jjazz | |zetetic|: np |
| 18:29.23 | bokey | |zetetic|, patience |
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| 18:29.59 | |zetetic| | Ronin: well, for me to chat on msn I need to connect to msn instant messenger service, with kopete |
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| 18:30.25 | snowbird | amarock screwed me up |
| 18:30.28 | snowbird | xmms palys fine |
| 18:30.37 | vulture | |zetetic|: right.. and? |
| 18:30.37 | snowbird | we fixed it |
| 18:30.42 | bokey | jjazz, |zetetic| indeed has 1863 open. |
| 18:30.44 | blondie | wiggle |
| 18:30.47 | Ronin | so you do have that port active then |
| 18:30.57 | snowbird | hand rum/coke to my helpers |
| 18:31.01 | vulture | |zetetic|: It's your local client that listens on local ports - a server can listen to ports _on the server_ not on your machine |
| 18:31.10 | snowbird | aspins too |
| 18:31.20 | bokey | umm... |
| 18:31.23 | vulture | (some protocols will of course have the server request that the client listens on a port to accept an incoming connection - eg: active FTP does this) |
| 18:31.38 | |zetetic| | How my, this is wierd. netstat says the port 1863 is't open, but bokey port scanner syays it is open |
| 18:32.02 | bokey | |zetetic|, what does your modem/router say ? does it have iptables ? |
| 18:32.05 | |zetetic| | vulture: you are right |
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| 18:32.07 | cahoot | if you close kopete? |
| 18:32.07 | Azar | snowbird: then you should search on google info about amarok, and learn how to set it up to work |
| 18:32.22 | snowbird | yes will azar |
| 18:32.36 | bokey | |zetetic|, log into your modem and check what's happening there. |
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| 18:32.48 | mike-e | anyone know if acpi is responsible for how hard the fans in my laptop work? |
| 18:32.55 | vulture | |zetetic|: you are scanning the same machine? or you are scanning your router & using netstat on a machine behind the router? |
| 18:33.20 | jjazz | vulture: The latter. |
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| 18:33.24 | bokey | vulture, he/she is behind the router. it's the router |
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| 18:33.32 | |zetetic| | I habe a U.S: Robotics router |
| 18:33.55 | bokey | |zetetic|, log into your router and check the firewall if you can. |
| 18:34.04 | vulture | Ok, so the router's got the port forward, & netstat tells you Debian doesn't. So from that it seems it's not a Debian issue at all.. |
| 18:34.08 | |zetetic| | bokey has scanned my router, I gave him my external ip adress |
| 18:34.22 | vulture | |zetetic|: right - so go check your NAT/oruter's configuration.. |
| 18:34.23 | bokey | vulture, it's not |
| 18:34.31 | vulture | perhaps there's an explicit rule for that port for some reason |
| 18:34.36 | |zetetic| | vulture: ok, I'm checking it know |
| 18:35.11 | mike-e | anyone know if acpi is responsible for how hard the fans in my laptop work? |
| 18:35.35 | snowbird | has to be xmms no xine for stream tune |
| 18:35.49 | valdyn | mike-e: maybe, maybe not, that is not the same for different laptop models |
| 18:35.52 | jjazz | mike-e: I believe that is the case. |
| 18:36.09 | jjazz | mike-e: At least, on my last lappy it was true. |
| 18:36.14 | mike-e | whenever i'm booted into linux the fans won't stop, in windows they seem to relax more |
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| 18:36.47 | valdyn | mike-e: fans slow down automatically when you cpu slows down. |
| 18:36.52 | bokey | mike-e, that can be attributed a fact that you are using more CPU. ;-) i.e., if you can infer. |
| 18:36.56 | mike-e | valdyn : apparently not |
| 18:36.57 | valdyn | mike-e: ( at least in many laptops they do that ) |
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| 18:37.07 | valdyn | mike-e: is your cpu even scaling down? |
| 18:37.12 | cahoot | mike-e: does the temp motivate the fans work? |
| 18:37.19 | mike-e | so you're saying debian uses more cpu than windows? |
| 18:37.29 | valdyn | mike-e: hehe |
| 18:37.47 | valdyn | mike-e: no, you misunderstand, cpu scaling means that the speed of it is throttled |
| 18:37.48 | sorl | how do i port forward every port but 24 to another machine? |
| 18:37.52 | mike-e | cahoot : i don't know, i asked first |
| 18:38.09 | mike-e | where can i throttle the speed of the cpu? |
| 18:38.10 | snowbird | sweet |
| 18:38.13 | valdyn | !cpu scaling |
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| 18:38.45 | mike-e | ? |
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| 18:38.54 | valdyn | mike-e: tried google yet? |
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| 18:39.05 | mike-e | i googled acpi and linux |
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| 18:39.19 | pickcoder | mike-e: which processor brand |
| 18:39.22 | skymuss | hallo |
| 18:39.27 | valdyn | mike-e: googe linux cpu scaling |
| 18:39.27 | mike-e | pentium mobile 2g |
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| 18:39.40 | |zetetic| | I must reboot. just a moment please |
| 18:39.49 | skymuss | kommt man hier mit deutsch weiter |
| 18:39.55 | valdyn | !de |
| 18:39.56 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 18:40.39 | pickcoder | mike-e: check out powernod |
| 18:40.41 | pickcoder | gah |
| 18:40.42 | pickcoder | powernowd |
| 18:41.04 | enouf | !cpufreq |
| 18:41.04 | dpkg | hmm... cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
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| 18:41.42 | pickcoder | gah.. doens't anyone sell multi-tech modems anymore |
| 18:41.52 | petemc | i still have one |
| 18:42.04 | jelly | mike-e: grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:42.09 | mike-e | the url in that post about cpufreq doesn't even work. |
| 18:42.09 | Gathond | pickcoder: I'm not sure anyone sells actual modems and not just PCI cards with DSP's anymore |
| 18:42.11 | rahul | is there a way to make firefox not emulate IE stupidity? |
| 18:42.22 | pickcoder | Gathond: sure they do |
| 18:42.26 | enouf | mike-e: some pkgs that come to mind are acpi, acoid, acpi-utils, uswsusp, powernowd(pkg?), and suspend2 |
| 18:42.26 | rahul | like, have it tell me what ACTUALLY was the error instead of "something doesn't work"? |
| 18:42.31 | pickcoder | just not the specific brand and model I need for HylaFax |
| 18:42.35 | enouf | s/acoid/acpid |
| 18:42.38 | mike-e | rahul : install windows |
| 18:42.40 | Gathond | or I'm pretty sure connecant and silicon labs does, but only in the stand alone chip form |
| 18:42.53 | rahul | mike-e: how will windows get rid of IE-ness? |
| 18:42.55 | jelly | enouf: dude, what has suspend got to do with cpufreq? |
| 18:42.57 | Gathond | pickcoder: ok, haven't looked, but most modems now adays seem to be winmodems |
| 18:43.03 | mike-e | rahul : apparently that's what you're looking for |
| 18:43.04 | Gathond | ie DSP and a software driver |
| 18:43.08 | rahul | wtf? |
| 18:43.16 | enouf | jelly: most who want scaling want suspend .. that's all |
| 18:43.18 | rahul | mike-e: try again. |
| 18:43.21 | StarWars | zz |
| 18:43.25 | mike-e | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1700MHz |
| 18:43.28 | pickcoder | Gathond: there are still demands for real UART modems on RS-232 and RS-485 |
| 18:43.31 | mike-e | rahul : ok, you like boys? |
| 18:43.32 | valdyn | enouf: he only wants his fan to shut up |
| 18:43.37 | pickcoder | or I wouldn't be looking for one |
| 18:43.38 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:43.45 | rahul | mike-e: what is your native language? |
| 18:43.48 | valdyn | enouf: which may be cpu throttling related or not |
| 18:43.54 | mike-e | i speak wanoobie |
| 18:44.00 | Gathond | pickcoder: sure there are, I just did not think it large enough that anyone actually still produced those:) |
| 18:44.04 | rahul | sorry, I don't |
| 18:44.07 | jelly | mike-e: that is not a mobile cpu afaict |
| 18:44.08 | enouf | pickcoder: BTW .. excellent job on your bug report about the sarge-etch upgrade removing kernel ..glad you found the transitional pkg affected hat |
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| 18:44.09 | petemc | pickcoder: are you using a recent version of hylafax? |
| 18:44.10 | valdyn | mike-e: which CPU is it? |
| 18:44.22 | pickcoder | U.S. Robotics still makes 33.6K fax modems |
| 18:44.24 | valdyn | mike-e: cat /proc/cpuinfo knows |
| 18:44.24 | jelly | valdyn: <mike-e> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1700MHz |
| 18:44.27 | pickcoder | petemc: yup |
| 18:44.28 | enouf | valdyn: ok ..came in late |
| 18:44.29 | Gathond | since I cant remember seeing one since the 90 something, but as I said I have not looked:) |
| 18:44.30 | rahul | so, is there anyone who can understand english who wants to help? |
| 18:44.31 | mike-e | oh yah you're right, dur |
| 18:44.34 | valdyn | jelly: thanks |
| 18:44.42 | mike-e | i did it on this box |
| 18:44.43 | mike-e | lol |
| 18:44.44 | mike-e | hang on |
| 18:44.46 | pickcoder | 33.6K external fax modems |
| 18:44.49 | petemc | pickcoder: oh, i had trouble with some modems that a backported package resolved.. |
| 18:45.12 | rahul | I mean, seriously, I used mozilla because it's NOT retarded |
| 18:45.18 | pickcoder | I had problems with hand shaking on Fax 2.0 until I recently upgraded |
| 18:45.19 | Alptraum` | what's better in your opinion: courier or qmail? i'm installing a mail server from the scratch. should handle imap, much traffic, antispam, procmail, etc. |
| 18:45.20 | mike-e | intel pentium M process |
| 18:45.27 | mike-e | intel pentium M processor 2.00GHz |
| 18:45.31 | pickcoder | hardly no failures from phase B timing errors |
| 18:45.33 | Ronin | Alptraum`: umm courier isnt a mta |
| 18:45.44 | valdyn | mike-e: why did jelly paste something else than pentium M ? |
| 18:45.44 | pickcoder | been a few months now |
| 18:45.52 | jelly | mike-e: your /proc/cpuinfo output does NOT show a pentium M. |
| 18:45.56 | Alptraum` | Ronin: postfix then? |
| 18:46.01 | mike-e | valy: i did it on the wrong machine |
| 18:46.09 | petemc | Alptraum`: neither are great, use postfix or exim |
| 18:46.14 | mike-e | jelly: do you need a fucking snapshot? |
| 18:46.19 | petemc | Ronin: courier has an mta |
| 18:46.32 | Alptraum` | petemc: why those? |
| 18:46.35 | Ronin | Alptraum`: qmail, postfix, exim take you pick |
| 18:46.43 | pickcoder | but then again, I'm biased |
| 18:46.43 | valdyn | mike-e: you 'just' need to load 2 modules, looking for the names |
| 18:46.44 | Ronin | or is it exim4 now a days |
| 18:47.06 | jelly | one is speedstep_centrino |
| 18:47.07 | enouf | jelly: doesn't one need SPEEDSTEP or simialr module or static for that? .. wtf is it called? the celeron speedstep thing or something? |
| 18:47.09 | valdyn | mike-e: but there's a _vast_ number of cpu scaling tools, not going to go into details for each |
| 18:47.11 | Ronin | petemc: well so it does, |
| 18:47.31 | enouf | heh .. |
| 18:47.34 | mike-e | ok |
| 18:47.43 | petemc | Alptraum`: they're probably the most actively developed, certainly the best supported here |
| 18:48.10 | Alptraum` | petemc: and now for the big question, postfix or exim? |
| 18:48.31 | petemc | Alptraum`: i prefer exim, others like postfix - they're both good in their own right |
| 18:48.35 | Ronin | Alptraum`: personal choice mostly, read up on both and make your own decision |
| 18:48.37 | pickcoder | pick one and try it |
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| 18:48.57 | Alptraum` | ok, thanks alot |
| 18:48.57 | pickcoder | just don't get frustrated the first 24 hours and move to the other one |
| 18:48.59 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 18:49.04 | Ronin | pickcoder: indeed |
| 18:49.09 | Alptraum` | i'll try :D |
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| 18:49.23 | jelly | mike-e: the other is any of the cpufreq governors... depends on what userspace tool is used. Try modprobing speedstep_centrino and cpufreq_ondemand and see if that suits you. |
| 18:49.44 | Alptraum` | just for the statistics: what's your favorite mta? got one vote for exim already *g* |
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| 18:50.03 | Ronin | qmail for me |
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| 18:50.12 | pickcoder | postfix |
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| 18:50.21 | cahoot | !popcon |
| 18:50.21 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:50.32 | jelly | mike-e: as for those tools, check out cpudyn, cpufreqd, cpufreq-utils, powernowd, etc etc |
| 18:50.33 | petemc | Ronin: qmail isnt much use in todays email climate |
| 18:50.38 | snowbird | i need adobe flash player how do i get it |
| 18:50.39 | Ronin | petemc: quite teh contrary |
| 18:50.47 | petemc | Ronin: how so? |
| 18:50.55 | jjazz | !flash |
| 18:50.55 | dpkg | methinks flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:50.57 | Ronin | i dont need to see teh dpkg stuff on qmail again either folks :) |
| 18:51.04 | mike-e | what needs to be done after the modprobes? |
| 18:51.05 | Ronin | damn it why cant i type the anymore |
| 18:51.09 | petemc | Ronin: you mean it doesnt blindly accept mail for any localpart? |
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| 18:51.45 | valdyn | mike-e: look at the speed, 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' |
| 18:51.51 | valdyn | mike-e: dmesg for errors |
| 18:51.52 | petemc | Ronin: its fine if you like qmail, but dont be telling people its good asif thats good advice |
| 18:52.00 | enouf | Ronin: 1337 syndrome getting to ya |
| 18:52.06 | Ronin | petemc: ill keep saying its good as it is |
| 18:52.13 | Ronin | enouf: heh never ever been accused of that one |
| 18:52.14 | valdyn | mike-e: if it works fine, add both to /etc/modules |
| 18:52.29 | mike-e | speed is the same |
| 18:52.31 | jelly | mike-e: after the modeprobes cpu will automatically change voltage and freq depending on the load ... that's what cpufreq_ondemand module does. |
| 18:52.37 | jelly | s/will/should/ |
| 18:52.37 | tuv | how can i search for packages by tag? |
| 18:52.45 | enouf | teh .. <-- I do that all the time .. but then again, I could never type correctly either :-p |
| 18:52.46 | mike-e | nothing is changed in cpuinfo and no messages in dmesg |
| 18:53.09 | valdyn | mike-e: cpu MHz : , not model name : |
| 18:53.17 | valdyn | mike-e: but if it does not work, look at 'dmesg' |
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| 18:53.56 | mike-e | they are the same. |
| 18:54.02 | pickcoder | maybe something is running wild and consuming enough ticks to keep the speed up |
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| 18:54.16 | jelly | mike-e: I think modprobing the ..._centrino module should have dropped a line or two in dmesg... is it loaded now? |
| 18:54.20 | valdyn | mike-e: hopefully you system is about dile |
| 18:54.20 | mike-e | i have nothing running |
| 18:54.21 | enouf | heh .. open up kde .. |
| 18:54.29 | valdyn | mike-e: err idle |
| 18:54.58 | valdyn | mike-e: cpufreq_acpi or speedstep_acpi or similar is one driver that might work |
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| 18:55.24 | pickcoder | mike-e: what does iostat say about %idle |
| 18:56.05 | HamidNassiby | Hi all |
| 18:56.15 | mike-e | ok hang on |
| 18:56.28 | HamidNassiby | Is there any release time set for etch till now ? |
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| 18:56.41 | |zetetic| | bokey: I have check my router firewall. I have the following virtual servers: TCP 4664 and UDP 4674 (for amule); TCP 1024-1028 (for irc); 50013 (TCP and UDP) and TCP 6969 (for azureus) |
| 18:57.05 | jelly | HamidNassiby: nope |
| 18:57.27 | |zetetic| | bokey: so I don't have port 1863 open on the router... |
| 18:57.28 | christopherl | someone here using/used Partimage? |
| 18:57.33 | mike-e | those modproblmes i did made a change |
| 18:57.42 | valdyn | mike-e: wrong name, my thinkpad needs: 'acpi-cpufreq' |
| 18:57.45 | HamidNassiby | and no whispers about release date yet ? |
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| 18:57.56 | bokey | |zetetic|, can you log into your modem via ssh ? |
| 18:58.03 | abrotman | HamidNassiby: when it's ready .. no sooner |
| 18:58.09 | mike-e | when i rebooted the mhz was at 1993.686mhz and after te modprobbes it's at 2000.00 |
| 18:58.10 | azeem | HamidNassiby: see today's post to debian-devel-announce for debian-installer advancements related to the release |
| 18:58.14 | TRTint | how many debian CDs do i need of the 15 ? |
| 18:58.20 | jelly | valdyn: hmm, _centrino is better than _acpi, does voltage+freq scaling afair |
| 18:58.29 | beardy | !d-i TRTint |
| 18:58.29 | dpkg | TRTint, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:58.31 | beardy | !netinstall |
| 18:58.32 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 18:58.33 | mike-e | iostat says command not found |
| 18:58.39 | abrotman | install it |
| 18:58.42 | valdyn | jelly: i wouldnt know, only _acpi works for me |
| 18:58.49 | |zetetic| | bokey: I only know to log into my router via Firefox |
| 18:58.55 | TRTint | !netinstall |
| 18:58.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 18:59.10 | beardy | !botmasg |
| 18:59.14 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 18:59.15 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 18:59.17 | abrotman | !massage |
| 18:59.19 | mike-e | should i add speedstep_acpi? |
| 18:59.20 | bokey | |zetetic|, what about telnet'ing ? |
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| 18:59.31 | beardy | abrotman: yes please.. |
| 18:59.32 | drako | !dialup install |
| 18:59.32 | dpkg | dialup install is, like, 64kbps are 650MB per day, or ~1.2GB installed size, maybe more than you will ever have installed at once. You will wait few hours for the install to complete, but shuffling those 5290280948 CDs testing has now will probably take even longer, and can't be run unattended. The 1st binary CD is more than you need. See netinst. |
| 18:59.36 | valdyn | mike-e: one is speedstep-centrino, one is cpufreq-acpi |
| 18:59.38 | mike-e | the centrino module i added made changes in cpuinfo but the mhz went up, is that normal? |
| 18:59.43 | TRTint | i want to install a Linux Server with SAMBA as PDC / DNS/ EXchange Server |
| 18:59.54 | Caelum | if java is gpl, why is sun-java5 still in non-free? |
| 18:59.56 | abrotman | exchange is exchange ... |
| 19:00.02 | abrotman | Caelum: it's not fully GPL yet |
| 19:00.03 | TRTint | its told to me that Debian is the best choice |
| 19:00.05 | valdyn | mike-e: up from where to where |
| 19:00.09 | |zetetic| | bokey: I think I can... it's only a matter of "telnet my.gateway.ip.adress ? |
| 19:00.10 | Caelum | abrotman: I see |
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| 19:00.21 | bokey | |zetetic|, yes |
| 19:00.23 | abrotman | Caelum: sometime soon .. hopefully |
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| 19:00.39 | Caelum | abrotman: they should have done this 10 years ago |
| 19:00.45 | mike-e | vald: before the modprobes it was at 1993mhz and then after it went to 2000 |
| 19:00.53 | bokey | Caelum, Java is not GPL'ed yet imho |
| 19:00.54 | abrotman | Caelum: perhaps .. but it wasn't your decision |
| 19:00.58 | valdyn | mike-e: uh, ignore that tiny change |
| 19:01.10 | mike-e | you said to look for the changes.. |
| 19:01.18 | mike-e | ok so the centrino module didn't do anything? |
| 19:01.23 | mike-e | (fans still cranking btw) |
| 19:01.24 | TRTint | is there an alternative for Photoshop on Linux ? |
| 19:01.28 | TRTint | i need it for my work |
| 19:01.28 | mike-e | and nothing is open except gnome-terminal |
| 19:01.29 | abrotman | gimp |
| 19:01.36 | |zetetic| | bokey: ok :) I think I am loged into my router via telnet |
| 19:01.37 | TRTint | gimp is not powerfull enough |
| 19:01.39 | valdyn | mike-e: yea, but like 800-1200-2000 is scaling values for a pentium M, not a 7mhz change |
| 19:01.41 | mfrisch | TRTint: gimp |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | TRTint: gimp |
| 19:01.56 | mike-e | TRTint :it has nothing to do with the program and all to do with the artist |
| 19:01.57 | Gathond | mike-e: I had to install cpufrequtils on my laptop (that or some other kind of userspace tools) |
| 19:01.58 | valdyn | mike-e: in that order of magnitude, no idea about your cpu |
| 19:02.11 | bokey | |zetetic|, good. now see if you've iptables there. |
| 19:02.13 | zinx | TRTint: what do you need to do specificly? |
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| 19:02.38 | Caelum | photoshop runs in wine |
| 19:02.38 | Gathond | mike-e: that was the only one I've gotten to actually work though, powernowd put it at 1.66 Ghz permanently and cpufreqd kept it at 2 Ghz permanently |
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| 19:02.45 | TRTint | I have a lot of experience with Photoshop |
| 19:02.55 | zinx | TRTint: there's cinepaint and hdrshop too, but those are less powerful, but with HDR support |
| 19:02.58 | valdyn | mike-e: look into /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq, files are quite verbose there |
| 19:03.02 | mike-e | ok which did you say? |
| 19:03.07 | abrotman | TRTint: that's nice .. there's no photoshop for linux .. complain to adobe |
| 19:03.08 | |zetetic| | bokey: how can I see if I have iptables there? what command shuold I enter? |
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| 19:03.22 | bokey | |zetetic|, iptables |
| 19:03.30 | Caelum | TRTint: see www.codeweavers.com |
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| 19:03.55 | |zetetic| | bokey: "iptables v1.2.7a: no command specified" |
| 19:03.57 | zinx | TRTint: gimp can do most stuff photoshop can do, and a few things it can't. usually the "gimp isn't as powerful" stuff comes from people who don't know how to use it... so it helps to know which specific thing(s) you're finding you can't do |
| 19:04.11 | |zetetic| | bokey: so I have iptables there :) |
| 19:04.13 | zinx | TRTint: 'cause it really can't do some things - like rich text editing (the text tool is fairly basic) |
| 19:04.16 | mike-e | cpufrequtils is already installed |
| 19:04.17 | mfrisch | Caelum: there are linux programs that work too. |
| 19:04.21 | Guerin | zinx: the gimp is good, but it's not photoshop. |
| 19:04.21 | bokey | |zetetic|, yeah. |
| 19:04.26 | bokey | |zetetic|, iptables -L -n |
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| 19:04.29 | craigevil | TRTint: you could always try gimpshop |
| 19:04.29 | Gathond | mike-e: ok, try running cpufreq-info then |
| 19:04.44 | zinx | craigevil: i believe that may be windows-only |
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| 19:05.02 | Gathond | it will teel you the CPU's limitations as well as the current control scheme (governor) and the loaded ones |
| 19:05.03 | mike-e | i don't know what this means |
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| 19:05.36 | |zetetic| | bokey: I have entered the command "iptables -L -n" can I show you the output on private chat? |
| 19:05.42 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:05.42 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 19:05.44 | craigevil | there is even a .deb version of gimpshop http://www.gimpshop.com/download.shtml |
| 19:05.52 | zinx | craigevil: crazy |
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| 19:06.00 | mike-e | it says the current policy is within 600mhz and 2000mhz the governor performance will decide on speed, current freq is 2.00GHz |
| 19:06.12 | mike-e | and the fans are cranking..nothing running except gnome-terminal |
| 19:06.19 | valdyn | mike-e: that governer keeps speed a max |
| 19:06.23 | bokey | |zetetic|, paste bin please |
| 19:06.31 | valdyn | mike-e: use ondemand |
| 19:06.40 | mike-e | how? |
| 19:06.50 | valdyn | mike-e: maybe you already have a scaling DAEMON installed, which one? |
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| 19:07.00 | Gathond | mike-e: the performance governor will probably keep it at 2 Ghz no matter what, change it in /etc/defaults/cpufrequtils |
| 19:07.19 | Gathond | mike-e: /etc/default/cpufrequtils anyway |
| 19:07.28 | mike-e | max speed is set to 0 pffft |
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| 19:07.41 | Gathond | 0 probably means maximum |
| 19:08.14 | mike-e | ok i did enable true, governor ondemand, max speed 1500 and min 600 |
| 19:08.17 | mike-e | sound good/. |
| 19:08.19 | mike-e | ? |
| 19:08.30 | mike-e | or should i drop it lower |
| 19:08.31 | Gathond | if 1500 was on the list of supported speeds |
| 19:08.52 | mike-e | o |
| 19:08.53 | valdyn | mike-e: i think you should leave speed values at zero |
| 19:09.06 | Gathond | cpufreq-info lists some available frequency steps, there is no point in going beyond those |
| 19:09.07 | TRTint | it is easy to set up Debian as PDC and DNS with File/Printer Sharing and Windows Workstations |
| 19:09.07 | mike-e | then the point in this program is what? |
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| 19:09.13 | Gathond | or at least this laptop is |
| 19:09.22 | mike-e | this is frustrating. |
| 19:09.37 | valdyn | mike-e: you're not even reading the helptext in the header of that file |
| 19:09.45 | Gathond | you should probably verify that ondemand is available though (cpufreq-info lists those too) |
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| 19:09.54 | mike-e | it is |
| 19:09.55 | |zetetic| | bokey: I have passed the outpout of iptables -L -n on: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5217 |
| 19:10.05 | Gathond | ok |
| 19:10.22 | Gathond | I would just write the lowest step reported as minimum and the highest as maximum |
| 19:10.28 | bokey | |zetetic|, ACCEPT tcp -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 tcp dpts:1863:1864 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:10.32 | bokey | |zetetic|, fix it |
| 19:10.45 | Gathond | but that is just me, this laptop rarely leaves minimum (1Ghz) so I figure that is fine |
| 19:11.07 | valdyn | Gathond: you dont need any limits there unless you want to exclude frequencies your cpu is capable of |
| 19:11.39 | Gathond | valdyn: probably not:) |
| 19:11.41 | |zetetic| | bokey: oh my God! so my router has problems, Because when I configure it vi firefox it doesn't show port 1863 open! |
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| 19:11.54 | mike-e | fan's still cranking. |
| 19:12.12 | Hool | i have a sata raid system that aslo has a cpl of udma133 drives innit.. i have SID adn etch and the thing sometimes locks up and prints garbage to the screen.. i end up having to hard reboot.. is this a known problem or do i just have a common heatproblem? |
| 19:12.18 | valdyn | mike-e: did you think that editing a file will automagically fix this? |
| 19:12.19 | Gathond | mike-e: you need to run /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils |
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| 19:12.23 | Gathond | that or reboot anyway |
| 19:12.36 | bokey | |zetetic|, sue your router |
| 19:12.43 | mike-e | valdyn : i figured a half ass os would cover this on it's own |
| 19:13.03 | Gathond | btw you should probably ensure cpufreqd and powernowd (or other) is not installed |
| 19:13.06 | mike-e | Gathond : i haven't made changes |
| 19:13.12 | valdyn | mike-e: it doesnt, no OS does |
| 19:13.16 | |zetetic| | bokey: I don't know how to fix those holes. can you please give me some hint? I suppose I have to deny tcp 0.0.0.0/0, TCP 1863 and TCP 1864... |
| 19:13.26 | mike-e | valdyn : the fan isn't on when i boot into windows. |
| 19:13.53 | valdyn | mike-e: that proves that you or someone else already installed the cpu driver in windows |
| 19:13.53 | |zetetic| | bokey: I+m a lawyer, so perhaps I will sue my router vendor :) |
| 19:13.54 | Gathond | mike-e: and it is set to ondemand? |
| 19:13.58 | mike-e | Gathond : what should i set the values to in the conf file? |
| 19:14.06 | bokey | |zetetic|, go ahead |
| 19:14.09 | bokey | |zetetic|, :) |
| 19:14.19 | jelly | valdyn: windows has decent default power settings |
| 19:14.25 | bokey | |zetetic|, "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 0/0 -d 0/0 --destination-port 1863 --syn -j DENY" |
| 19:14.27 | Gathond | ondemand as the governor, the rest should be good at 0, and ENABLE == true |
| 19:14.41 | mike-e | valyd: the windows os did, either through the base or updates, and this is windows 2000 pro. |
| 19:14.46 | jelly | valdyn: Ubuntu does too. <g> |
| 19:14.48 | mike-e | gath: ok |
| 19:14.50 | bokey | |zetetic|, same for port 1864 |
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| 19:15.11 | valdyn | jelly: windows needs cpu scaling drivers |
| 19:15.26 | valdyn | jelly: AFTER that it can scale your cpu |
| 19:15.32 | mike-e | HAH |
| 19:15.36 | Gathond | valdyn: actually if one selects the right power scheme in XP it has one of its own it enables |
| 19:15.38 | mike-e | as soon as i reload it the fans shut down |
| 19:15.44 | mike-e | Gathond : thanks man |
| 19:15.53 | Gathond | good, now go check if powernowd of cpufreqd is installed |
| 19:15.55 | jelly | valdyn: eh, mine is OEM and all the drivers are there and work. :-| |
| 19:15.56 | valdyn | Gathond: yea, if it knows the cpu, some deal |
| 19:16.03 | valdyn | jelly: yea, sre |
| 19:16.06 | valdyn | jelly: yea, sure |
| 19:16.07 | Gathond | otherwise they might reset it to performance mode |
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| 19:16.17 | mike-e | valdyn : thanks also |
| 19:16.25 | mike-e | Gathond : no neither are installed, according to locate |
| 19:16.26 | |zetetic| | bookey: so it's easier than I tought :) should I do the same for ports 4443, 5566, 40000 and 40099 (they are also open) |
| 19:16.51 | Gathond | mike-e: ok |
| 19:17.00 | mike-e | ahh silence. |
| 19:17.01 | mike-e | lol |
| 19:17.02 | enouf | mike-e: does lsmod | grep processor show it? and try a /etc/init.d/udev restart .. did you boot without ACPI support .. ala kernel cmdline param? |
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| 19:17.05 | valdyn | mike-e: your fans are obviously temperature regulated, they'll be noisy again when your play a dvd or somesuch, i guess |
| 19:17.23 | enouf | mike-e: locate isn't a good tool here |
| 19:17.28 | |zetetic| | bokey: so it's easier than I tought :) should I do the same for ports 4443, 5566, 40000 and 40099 (they are also open) |
| 19:17.39 | bokey | |zetetic|, sueing your router vendor will do the trick so that we all don't have to waste time with iptables. |
| 19:17.46 | mike-e | lsmod | grep prcoessor shows the centrino module now |
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| 19:18.31 | valdyn | mike-e: btw, did you reboot? |
| 19:18.59 | mike-e | val: no i need to add the modules |
| 19:19.07 | mfrisch | my "high speed" isp has me rocking and rolling at 10.2kbps!! ;-( |
| 19:19.33 | Gathond | mfrisch: hey, compared to ... ohh my 4 year old gprs phone that is blazing:) |
| 19:19.43 | pickcoder | mfrisch: cable? |
| 19:19.57 | Hool | oh i bless my stars for my new isp |
| 19:20.10 | Hool | now it's the drives and the computer that's holding me back |
| 19:20.14 | mfrisch | pickcoder: yeah I'm about to drop them. There are few isp's around here. |
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| 19:20.43 | pickcoder | we had saturation problems with RR here a while back |
| 19:20.53 | pickcoder | too much growth without the network backbone in place |
| 19:21.03 | pickcoder | I went with bellsouth ADSL |
| 19:21.06 | pickcoder | never looked back |
| 19:21.10 | |zetetic| | bokey: yeah, but do you think I should do the same (deny) for ports 4443, 5566, 40000 and 40099 (they are also open) |
| 19:21.12 | pickcoder | 6MB now |
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| 19:21.36 | mike-e | ok i added speedstep_centrino and cpufreq_ondemand to modules |
| 19:21.41 | mike-e | should be good right? |
| 19:21.51 | mfrisch | pickcoder: yep its rr and they droped the bandwidth to 768 kbps but are still raising $$ |
| 19:21.53 | justin | |zetetic|: what do you mean by "open"? |
| 19:21.54 | Gathond | that is basically what I did |
| 19:22.06 | Gathond | once I gave up on cpufreqd and powernowd |
| 19:22.14 | valdyn | mike-e: im not sure you didn't need acpi-cpufreq |
| 19:22.24 | valdyn | mike-e: other than that, right, that's ok |
| 19:22.25 | pickcoder | mfrisch: they don't have the telecom backbone that your local phone service can offer |
| 19:22.36 | |zetetic| | justin: they are in "accept" mode, just like ports 1863 and 1864 |
| 19:22.38 | mike-e | i never modprobed acpi-cpufreq |
| 19:22.42 | enouf | mike-e: cd /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0 has waht? |
| 19:22.43 | valdyn | mike-e: alright then |
| 19:22.48 | pickcoder | unles you already have 2 lines coming in |
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| 19:23.16 | enouf | mfrisch: w00t! |
| 19:23.20 | mfrisch | pickcoder: I agree |
| 19:23.27 | mike-e | enouf: info limit power throttling |
| 19:23.54 | enouf | mike-e: looks like mine :-P .. no throttling here though |
| 19:24.13 | bokey | |zetetic|, if you don't want the services running on those ports, yes |
| 19:24.14 | mfrisch | enouf: hey man I got 9 hours of downloading to get my system up to date ;-) |
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| 19:24.38 | enouf | mfrisch: my High-speed cable sometimes like to taunt me with such fast d/l rates such as you posted |
| 19:24.58 | enouf | mfrisch: try a full CD .. 72 hrs ..lol |
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| 19:25.12 | Alptraum` | i'm not sure which exim setting i should take: http://nopaste.info/80fa6e5d28.html |
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| 19:25.14 | pickcoder | I get ~ 800Kbps transfers |
| 19:25.15 | |zetetic| | bokey: thanks. I don't wnat those services running on those ports. As a matter of fact I think I don't know any services that require those ports to be open |
| 19:25.29 | pickcoder | I had barely 200Kbps with RR |
| 19:25.34 | mfrisch | enouf: they been worse and worse around here |
| 19:25.36 | Alptraum` | what's the solution for webserver with several domains? |
| 19:25.37 | pickcoder | when it was first installed in this area |
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| 19:25.53 | enouf | Petrov: when mine's "working" it's anywhere from 600-1000kB/sec d/l |
| 19:26.13 | enouf | er pickcoder .. not Petrov |
| 19:26.14 | pickcoder | as more people subscribed, the latency got worse and so did the downtimes without any kind of refund |
| 19:26.22 | pickcoder | 4 days out of service once.. no refund |
| 19:26.23 | justin | |zetetic|: so? |
| 19:26.32 | enouf | pickcoder: ouch |
| 19:26.36 | justin | |zetetic|: what do you mean by "accept mode"? |
| 19:27.07 | mfrisch | I'm thinking about some att variant |
| 19:27.20 | mfrisch | but don't want a land line |
| 19:27.45 | enouf | mfrisch: very recent;y verizon FIOS was layed here .. so now some competition .. finally |
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| 19:28.06 | pickcoder | there's even less of a guarantee without a wire |
| 19:28.17 | pickcoder | I considered verizon wireless |
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| 19:28.31 | thug | enouf :) |
| 19:28.35 | pickcoder | but I don't think it's available here.. even though the main customer service center is here |
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| 19:29.34 | mfrisch | enouf: were lucky to have fiber in the buildings I have worked in, I might be able to get there dsl |
| 19:29.35 | enouf | er and glass :-) |
| 19:29.35 | pickcoder | ooo |
| 19:29.37 | pickcoder | that's my next investment here.. fiber backbone for all the departments |
| 19:29.48 | pickcoder | unfortunately there's no fiber drops from teleco's |
| 19:29.58 | enouf | mfrisch: dsl has always been a frowned upon tech by me |
| 19:30.33 | enouf | that whole pppoe thing |
| 19:30.35 | pickcoder | enouf: it's even more touchy than cable, but it works |
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| 19:30.43 | mfrisch | enouf: I just payed $42. for one month of 768kbps service ! |
| 19:30.58 | enouf | pickcoder: very restrictive as far as distances from CO is concerned |
| 19:30.58 | mfrisch | enouf: and I'm not getting sat |
| 19:31.09 | enouf | mfrisch: screw that :-) |
| 19:31.09 | pickcoder | enouf: it's getting better |
| 19:31.16 | pickcoder | but there are still copper limitations |
| 19:31.24 | pickcoder | same as cable |
| 19:31.31 | enouf | pickcoder: rather have Fiber in my diet :-0 |
| 19:31.37 | mike-e | man this is great |
| 19:31.39 | pickcoder | wouldn't we all |
| 19:31.39 | mike-e | =D |
| 19:32.11 | pickcoder | my first appetizer was an equipment room relocation |
| 19:32.52 | Hool | i pay $15/mo for 100/100 |
| 19:33.28 | pickcoder | full duplex single-mode drop between 2 switches. Not very impressive, but it was nice not having to avoid electrical wiring |
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| 19:33.51 | mike-e | i noticed my speakers are a lot louder on the laptop now |
| 19:34.10 | wwallace | how do you recomend a noob to install debian? |
| 19:34.24 | pickcoder | !di |
| 19:34.24 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
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| 19:34.32 | pickcoder | hrm.. someone change that? |
| 19:34.37 | rahul | wwallace: with the debian installer |
| 19:34.38 | pickcoder | oh.. wait.. |
| 19:34.40 | pickcoder | !d-i |
| 19:34.40 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 19:34.46 | enouf | !tell wwallace about ig |
| 19:34.46 | wwallace | thank you |
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| 19:34.59 | mike-e | bleh |
| 19:35.00 | mike-e | get etch |
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| 19:35.15 | Hool | can you ask dpkg about the birds and the bees too? :D |
| 19:35.24 | |zetetic| | justin: accept mode means the port is listening to exterior conenctions |
| 19:35.25 | enouf | !love Hool |
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| 19:35.34 | Hool | hahaha |
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| 19:35.44 | rahul | !birds |
| 19:35.47 | rahul | !bees |
| 19:35.51 | rahul | guess not |
| 19:35.53 | Hool | !beer |
| 19:35.53 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
| 19:36.00 | enouf | !botabuse |
| 19:36.00 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 19:36.00 | justin | |zetetic|: how did you come to this conclusion? |
| 19:36.09 | rahul | you can only get him to SHOW you the birds and the bees |
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| 19:36.13 | wwallace | enouf what r u doing? |
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| 19:36.22 | Hool | enouf: she's gaggin' for it |
| 19:36.24 | enouf | wwallace: what are you doing? |
| 19:36.41 | pickcoder | I know what I'm doing |
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| 19:36.44 | enouf | r ? u ? |
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| 19:37.10 | Hool | pickcoder-brk: get me a coke on the way back? please :D |
| 19:37.14 | c_k_uk | Hi all, anyone here work with iptables just need to figure out a way to get all messages logged by iptables into a mysql database? anyone done that before |
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| 19:37.42 | mfrisch | c_k_uk: you can use ulogd |
| 19:37.43 | mike-e | rahul stop messaging me please |
| 19:38.04 | Petrov | what is the last filesystem ext3 or Reiser 4 or Reiser FS for desktop |
| 19:38.38 | c_k_uk | mfrisch: thanks |
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| 19:38.44 | Guerin | Petrov: last? |
| 19:38.49 | wwallace | Guerin, hi |
| 19:39.08 | Guerin | wwallace: lo |
| 19:39.23 | enouf | Petrov: 3.6 has been around for awhile now .. and 4 is not that well implemented IMO .. and AFAICT |
| 19:39.28 | rahul | mike-e: I never once messaged you |
| 19:39.32 | rahul | mike-e: begone, troll. |
| 19:39.43 | Azar | hehehe rahul you perv |
| 19:39.54 | rahul | I only have cybersex in public. |
| 19:39.55 | enouf | Petrov: reiserfs 3.6 .. but ext3 is the stable mainstay |
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| 19:40.01 | rahul | !botsex |
| 19:40.01 | dpkg | Ok! Drop your pants and bend over!, or http://www.scoutwalker.com/ |
| 19:40.06 | Azar | exhibitionist? |
| 19:40.26 | Petrov | enouf: i will take ext3 |
| 19:40.35 | enouf | Petrov: good choice :-) |
| 19:40.48 | Azar | Petrov: cash , check or c.card? |
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| 19:41.01 | mfrisch | ss # |
| 19:41.05 | Petrov | Azar: ? |
| 19:41.19 | Azar | Petrov: < Petrov> enouf: i will take ext3 |
| 19:41.33 | enouf | Petrov: they're joking |
| 19:41.33 | Azar | how would you like to pay for it? |
| 19:41.51 | Azar | :) |
| 19:42.07 | mfrisch | 4 billion and its yours! |
| 19:42.52 | Azar | I remember my first install, woody I took ext2 and screwed up |
| 19:43.00 | Guerin | oh wait |
| 19:43.06 | bokey | |zetetic|, take it easy. it was merely a joke. :) |
| 19:43.06 | Guerin | 4 billion |
| 19:43.14 | enouf | mike-e: install sysfsutils and see /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 19:43.38 | mike-e | ???? |
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| 19:43.48 | Azar | ah you are here :) |
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| 19:43.53 | mike-e | yeah that was random |
| 19:44.01 | mike-e | i think it was a misfire |
| 19:44.05 | CharminTheMoose | quick question: what's the best way to back up your current linux install onto an externel harddrive? |
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| 19:44.39 | Gathond | CharminTheMoose: depends on your filesystem, if it has some sort of dump util I would say use that |
| 19:44.40 | MALESORI- | hi all |
| 19:45.30 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: rsync and rdiff perhaps .. apt-cahce show backupppc for an enterprise system (mucho config) |
| 19:45.43 | enouf | er apt-cache* |
| 19:45.44 | pumpkin0 | [irda, etch] i try to enable FIR on my laptop. the modprobe of nsc-ircc fails with "nsc_ircc_open(), can't get iobase of 0x2f8" in dmesg. Any ideas what to check first ? |
| 19:46.32 | Azar | man I love this newstitle: How To Become A Better Programmer By Not Programming |
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| 19:47.16 | mfrisch | Azar: I 've been doing that for years then |
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| 19:48.18 | Azar | mfrisch: want to read the article ? :) |
| 19:48.27 | enouf | pumpkin0: dunno what FIR is .. but man depmod perhaps? did you create the module using m-a and then run depmod, then m-a a-i ? |
| 19:48.38 | Tru7h | I'm using Knoppix 5.1.1, and I can't boot with a persistant disk image. Any help? |
| 19:48.39 | Azar | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000543.html |
| 19:48.48 | mfrisch | Azar: no probaly for vb ;-) |
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| 19:48.52 | Azar | Tru7h: we don't know knoppix |
| 19:49.07 | Tru7h | Alright, thanks anyways. |
| 19:49.13 | Azar | sorry man.. |
| 19:49.16 | bokey | |zetetic|, sue them right. ;) |
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| 19:49.23 | enouf | Tru7h: see #knoppix perhaps |
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| 19:49.26 | Tru7h | Yeah, it's fine. I just don't know where to ask. |
| 19:49.33 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the module is part of the stock debian kernel. FIR is the fast mode for irda-ports. The slow version (SIR) works out of the box. |
| 19:49.34 | Tru7h | I'm in #knoppix but nobody ever talks in there. :P |
| 19:49.40 | enouf | Tru7h: knoppix.net also |
| 19:49.56 | pumpkin0 | Tru7h: see why we don't do knoppix ? |
| 19:50.00 | Tru7h | I'll check that out. So far, I haven't found anybody else with the same problem as me. |
| 19:50.13 | Azar | bokey: sue who? did he found the proggy who is calling "home" ? |
| 19:50.16 | enouf | pumpkin0: aksed b/c apt-cacahe show fir turned up zilch here |
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| 19:51.15 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the userland tools for SIR do FIR too. there is no packages for it. |
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| 19:51.35 | enouf | pumpkin0: I see your module now .. |
| 19:51.36 | iratik | For cron to do its jobs - does the user who the cron is for have to be logged in ? |
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| 19:52.14 | CharminTheMoose | how do i check how many words are in a file? |
| 19:52.25 | enouf | pumpkin0: maybe you need other modules that it depends on? .. though perhaps not available/installed? .. hrm |
| 19:52.39 | mfrisch | CharminTheMoose: wc |
| 19:52.40 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: dunno .. never tried it |
| 19:52.52 | enouf | he .. wc== wordcount |
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| 19:54.13 | enouf | pumpkin0: io:Base I/O addresses (array of int) <-- modinfo shows that as one avail param |
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| 19:55.05 | pumpkin0 | enouf: got it to load now. You have to disable all kinds of serial interfaces to the irda-chip first: "/bin/setserial /dev/ttyS1 uart none port 0 irq 0" .... *bangs head on desk* |
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| 19:55.36 | ra2 | hello! |
| 19:55.52 | ra2 | in debian mysql logs all errors to syslog, is there a way to change it? |
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| 19:56.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Why do I always get getaddrinfo(whois.ripe.net): Bad value for ai_flags when I try to whois anything? |
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| 19:56.37 | EvilDI | hi, how can ichange clock settings from console? |
| 19:56.54 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 19:56.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple (or just ntp in >= etch) to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 19:57.34 | EvilDI | what command ? |
| 19:57.46 | dondelelcaro | EvilDI: read what dpkg said above. |
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| 19:57.56 | Roey | Hi, I have four or so tapes I made back in '98 with a Colorado Trakker that's since stopped working, and I'd like to get that data back. Does Debian have any program for reading Colorado Jumbo/Trakker archives? |
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| 19:58.27 | IronMark | hi ;-) question: what are ovee |
| 19:58.33 | IronMark | hi ;-) question: what are ovee |
| 19:58.44 | IronMark | hi ;-) question: what are overrides files good for ? |
| 19:59.04 | dondelelcaro | IronMark: which override file are you talking about? |
| 19:59.22 | Azar | hmmm ms is trying to patent a modular packaging manager like we have in Debian... weird |
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| 19:59.45 | IronMark | from the debian distribution dondelelcaro .. when you are creating a new debian CD |
| 19:59.46 | Roey | heh |
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| 19:59.54 | wsneh | hi! any1 knows of a good Linux proggie that does the same as BadCopy for Windows? Which is basically to recover data from awfully damaged media |
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| 20:00.15 | dondelelcaro | IronMark: you mean the override file that is part of the how archive software creates Packages and Release files? |
| 20:00.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | wsneh: dd? |
| 20:00.27 | IronMark | right dondelelcaro |
| 20:00.31 | Josmar | Hi, I am trying to use a screen on a debian box, but with the same config on fedora, screenrc does not read my ~/.bashrc, any idea how to fix it? |
| 20:00.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | dd_rescue |
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| 20:00.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Or photorec/testdisk |
| 20:00.56 | IronMark | I've tried to find more info about them dondelelcaro ... w/o success ;( |
| 20:00.57 | dondelelcaro | IronMark: it's used to override the section and/or priority of packages in the archive |
| 20:01.30 | IronMark | and what is that good for dondelelcaro ? |
| 20:01.33 | dondelelcaro | IronMark: man dpkg-scanpackages for details. |
| 20:01.40 | dondelelcaro | IronMark: when the packages have the wrong section or priority. |
| 20:01.45 | IronMark | thanks a lot dondelelcaro ! ;-) |
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| 20:01.51 | mfrisch | Azar: does vista have 17000 packages for free :-) |
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| 20:02.19 | wsneh | tnx! does dd_rescue also help w/scratched cds? |
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| 20:04.18 | Azar | mfrisch: you know how we just use apt-get to install any add-on packages for free ofcourse. ms wants to patent for itself this system so when their customers want to upgrade or get some extra, they gotta pay ofcourse |
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| 20:04.41 | Azar | I hope gonna be denied because our packaging system even not licensed is prior art |
| 20:04.49 | stephane | Hello everybody |
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| 20:05.12 | Gathond | Azar: tell them that then, might actually make them deny a patent for once |
| 20:05.13 | mfrisch | Azar: hey they'll get billions for something they should have allready had....great |
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| 20:05.50 | stephane | could anyone explain me the access right for the file statoverride.. go here to check please http://www.pastebin.ca/333244 |
| 20:06.05 | IronMark | re dondelelcaro ... I've created new entries for tasksel ... can choose them ... but nothing has been installed ;-/ |
| 20:06.13 | Azar | I hope they not only get denied, but also prohibited to mimik our packaging management |
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| 20:06.30 | stephane | aptitude install myapplication doesn't work anymore.. cause my statoverride is denied |
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| 20:06.58 | IronMark | dondelelcaro: I've got a short mail from jo (tasksel) ... but I am not able to follow hoim |
| 20:07.01 | IronMark | him |
| 20:07.03 | mfrisch | Azar: does debian have good lawyers? |
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| 20:07.43 | pumpkin0 | enouf: hint: irattach can kill a keyboard first go. Just using it on /dev/tty0 make the keyboard unuseable. using the right dev gives me a FIR enabled irda port. And thanks. |
| 20:07.44 | IronMark | are you OK mfrisch ? |
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| 20:08.28 | Azar | mfrisch: I would guess so, Debian is the most sticked with the GPL than any other linux distros |
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| 20:08.36 | relbs | is there a clean way to prevent a kernel module (e.g. pcskr in my case) from loading on system boot? |
| 20:08.54 | Azar | relbs: comment it on /etc/modules? |
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| 20:09.13 | Caelum | apt-spy is great, went from 80kb/s to almost 2000kb/s :) |
| 20:09.27 | relbs | Azar: it's not in /etc/modules, I'm not sure where it actually gets loaded |
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| 20:09.50 | Azar | relbs: check your bootloader file, heck I guess |
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| 20:10.02 | enouf | pumpkin0: gotcha .. weird though .. wonder what your BIOS com port setup is set too .. also I was going to say cat /proc/ioports .. and no prob :-) |
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| 20:11.16 | Azar | relbs: the best way to find out is man "modulename" gives you some hints |
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| 20:12.52 | enouf | relbs: blacklist it |
| 20:13.05 | enouf | !tell relbs -about blacklist |
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| 20:13.48 | enouf | relbs: modprobe -r it first .. is what I do |
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| 20:14.54 | xpurple | relbs: Tell me about modprobe |
| 20:15.18 | IronMark | thanks again dondelelcaro ;-) |
| 20:15.53 | relbs | trying modprobe.d/blacklist now, thanks |
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| 20:16.46 | relbs | are hotplug and discover not used anymore? |
| 20:17.11 | enouf | relbs: one commandline .. modprobe -r pcspkr; echo pcspkr >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 20:17.24 | enouf | relbs: they are used .. but udev replaces hotplug |
| 20:17.26 | mfrisch | can be used |
| 20:18.00 | Azar | yep udev, gotta learn how to use it now |
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| 20:18.22 | enouf | relbs: I "think" in Sarge udev co-exists, yet is not used per se |
| 20:18.22 | Azar | how you blacklist a module with udev? |
| 20:18.24 | Caelum | if you use a KVM to switch between linux and windows, can you get mouse selection copied between the two? |
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| 20:19.24 | enouf | Azar: you can ..see /etc/udev/rules.d and the various docs about rules writing, etc |
| 20:19.27 | Caelum | there's a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 20:19.45 | Azar | ah cool gonna take a look |
| 20:19.48 | enouf | Azar: as stated thogh .. why would ya :-0 |
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| 20:20.01 | Azar | enouf: for the kicks? |
| 20:20.13 | enouf | kix are for kids :-) |
| 20:20.26 | Azar | hehe they help the kids grow brains |
| 20:20.29 | keith80403 | Running Debian Sarge - how do I force a security update from the command line? "sudo aptitude update" doesn't do anything but refresh package lists, it seems. |
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| 20:20.55 | enouf | Azar: it is certainly worth getting familiar with .. see http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 20:20.59 | Azar | keith80403: aptitude update ....... then ......... aptitude upgrade |
| 20:21.00 | mfrisch | upgrade |
| 20:21.24 | Azar | enouf: thanks going to read it |
| 20:21.37 | keith80403 | Azar, Just security and other updates right, no major changes to Sarge...? |
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| 20:22.12 | Azar | keith80403: yes, once becomeing stable, a Debian version is frozen meaning that only security updates/upgraded get in |
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| 20:22.39 | keith80403 | Azar, Ok, thanks very much. |
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| 20:26.06 | guilherme_jorge | Hello all, I'm trying install gcc compiler in Debian 3.1 RC4, but I didnt have success. I've installed gcc-3.3, cpp-3.3 and libc6, but I dont have gcc binary in the system. Any idea? |
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| 20:27.26 | ji1 | hello guys, i just survived a denial of service attack (my firewall was down.. bringing it up did prevent the attack) ... any general guidelines can ya suggest to prevent future DOS(other than keeping my firewall up). |
| 20:28.12 | stew | ji1: what service was the DOS targetting? |
| 20:28.14 | libben | if i go find my old joypad that connects to the gameport on my soundcard... what do i need to install for getting it work? |
| 20:28.32 | ji1 | stew, DC++ server running at port 5001 |
| 20:28.36 | x_link | Hi.. I want to know how I can set my xfce4-terminal window to 64x23 as default? I know I can drag it to that size, but when I close/open the terminal window it's so big and wide. |
| 20:28.40 | ji1 | stew, dbhub is the server name |
| 20:28.40 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with this |
| 20:28.42 | x_link | Thanks! |
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| 20:29.20 | stew | ji1: and what did your firewall do with that service, just deny all access to it? |
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| 20:29.50 | Azar | x_link: you use xorg? |
| 20:29.56 | ji1 | stew, this firewall prevents bursts of packets.. if thers high it start dropping packs from there |
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| 20:31.05 | x_link | Azar: Yes. |
| 20:31.14 | x_link | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:31.31 | Azar | x_link: I am re-reading your question and try to understand: you talk about your window manager setting? |
| 20:31.53 | x_link | xfce4-terminal. The window size |
| 20:33.00 | Azar | x_link: I guess this will have to do with your window manager xfce4 options.... I never used that so you might want to read your documentation, maybe man xfce4 |
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| 20:33.29 | Azar | x_link: sorry I thought you were talking about font size and such.. |
| 20:33.39 | libben | isnt there a xfce4 chanell x_link |
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| 20:34.41 | JohnQ | There are loads of debian package which contain the words "latex". Which one do I install if I just want to be able to latex a document, and dvips it into a .ps file? |
| 20:34.56 | Guerin | JohnQ: you want either tetex or texlive |
| 20:35.04 | JohnQ | thanks |
| 20:35.11 | Guerin | JohnQ: texlive is maintained, so it's the best option, but tetex is the old standard |
| 20:35.42 | Guerin | you may need some extra bits and pieces as well, but if it throws errors you should be able to figure out what's required |
| 20:35.44 | JohnQ | hmm it says tetex has no installation candidate... hmm |
| 20:35.52 | Guerin | search it |
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| 20:36.07 | Guerin | iut's a range of packages called tetex-* or texlive-* |
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| 20:37.14 | JohnQ | got it. thanks |
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| 20:39.52 | Cooner750 | I've tried about everything hardware-wise from switching ATA cables to switching jumpers. Debian is still hanging at "Begin: Waiting for root filesystem... ..." at bootup. Nothing has been done with the machine other than it's been turned off for about two weeks. Is there anything I can do, or is all lost? |
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| 20:40.48 | enouf | Cooner750: boot a LiveCD .. even sysreccd.com or Insert or testdisk, etc |
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| 20:41.27 | enouf | Cooner750: what's on it anyways? which FS(s) |
| 20:41.33 | Cooner750 | enouf: Website dosen't exist |
| 20:41.38 | enouf | x_link: it's ok .. out here |
| 20:41.45 | Cooner750 | Wait |
| 20:41.47 | enouf | Cooner750: maybe .org .. sorry |
| 20:41.49 | x_link | can't ask it here. |
| 20:41.50 | Cooner750 | it finally showed an error |
| 20:42.00 | enouf | Cooner750: google system rescue cd |
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| 20:42.08 | enouf | x_link: sure |
| 20:42.13 | snowbird | any one use flash player |
| 20:42.15 | enouf | debain related x_link |
| 20:42.18 | Cooner750 | let me type it and put it in Pastebin |
| 20:42.32 | stew | snowbird: probably, why? |
| 20:42.35 | x_link | But this question is not about Debian. |
| 20:42.40 | enouf | Cooner750: also INSERT .. also ANY livecd that can run a fsck |
| 20:42.42 | snowbird | cant get mine to work |
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| 20:43.39 | enouf | x_link: I don't know about xfce4 settings, but maybe Save Session . or Save Profile, or whatever .. check for a ~/.xfce4 file, or DIR |
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| 20:44.02 | enouf | x_link: then yes PM me |
| 20:44.03 | HardDisk_WP | disconnecting... |
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| 20:44.23 | x_link | enouf: Thanks=) |
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| 20:44.53 | Azar | o/t question here: is abrotman in vacation? |
| 20:44.55 | enouf | x_link: ther MUST be a way -) |
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| 20:45.04 | x_link | enouf: Yeah |
| 20:45.08 | Cooner750 | This is what it is displaying on the screen. There is a prompt after the last line http://pastebin.ca/333290 |
| 20:45.11 | x_link | Not even the people in #xfce could help me |
| 20:45.34 | x_link | 2 guys tried to help me but it didn't work, then another guy told me to read xfce4-terminal --help. But I didn't understand anything of it. |
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| 20:48.16 | Azar | x_link: http://wiki.xfce.org/faq << it tells you how to size your windows |
| 20:48.25 | Cooner750 | What is wrong with my Debian box? |
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| 20:48.42 | Azar | and this just googling gets you info faster than wait for people to answer |
| 20:49.13 | x_link | Azar: Thanks alot. |
| 20:49.14 | libben | what do I need if I only want to be able to share files/folders with samba.. i dont need printer stuff and so on... just want to be able to share some folders for for my xbox to read. |
| 20:49.31 | x_link | I really appreicate it Azar ! |
| 20:49.52 | Azar | x_link: you are welcome |
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| 20:50.49 | libben | anyone? ^^ |
| 20:51.02 | AeonLibrarian | !love Azar |
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| 20:51.24 | petemc | libben: install samba, edit smb.conf to add a share, its trivial and there are plenty of guides |
| 20:52.19 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: You still here? |
| 20:52.59 | StarWars | How i must Configure my Sendmail to send mails to Inbox ...at this moment he send in "Bulk". |
| 20:53.41 | x_link | Azar: Where on that site did you find about the window size? |
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| 20:56.16 | deb_noob | is it possible for me to change the sata cable on the motherboard without having to reinstall? |
| 20:56.28 | TurnTheOtherWay | !raid |
| 20:56.28 | dpkg | methinks raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, [Software Raid]. |
| 20:56.41 | TurnTheOtherWay | !dpkg |
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| 20:57.04 | enouf | deb_noob: sure |
| 20:57.16 | Surferdude | Flimzy_: I am now |
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| 20:57.19 | TurnTheOtherWay | debian uses grub i assume? |
| 20:57.23 | Surferdude | yes |
| 20:57.37 | asg | TurnTheOtherWay: unless you installed woody or earlier |
| 20:57.40 | enouf | deb_noob: detach the ATX Power cord from the back .. then open case and replace cable |
| 20:57.42 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Having any luck with your USB project? |
| 20:57.44 | karsten | TurnTheOtherWay: Frequently. |
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| 20:58.00 | deb_noob | enouf: i moved it from sata1 to sata3 and it wouldn't boot |
| 20:58.05 | TurnTheOtherWay | asg: damn cos grub doesnt like my RAID hdd at all |
| 20:58.20 | enouf | deb_noob: what does that mean? |
| 20:58.23 | Surferdude | well, installing debian sarge to my sandbox computer resulted in a grub error |
| 20:58.32 | Azar | x_link: try to find out if you can configure from here: http://wiki.xfce.org/simple_settings << hint look for /terminal/ |
| 20:58.45 | deb_noob | enouf: it means it wouldn't load properly |
| 20:58.49 | enouf | deb_noob: you already moved the cable? |
| 20:58.55 | deb_noob | no, i tried to |
| 20:58.58 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: heh... well my project isn't 100% complete... but if any of it is of use to you, I can give you the URL to the Wiki where I'm documenting my progress |
| 20:59.00 | deb_noob | but it didn't boot properly |
| 20:59.05 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: I'm booting with extlinux. |
| 20:59.07 | TurnTheOtherWay | is there a loader that supports raid? |
| 20:59.11 | Surferdude | Flimzy_: Sure |
| 20:59.13 | x_link | Azar: xfce4-terminal --geomtry 63x24 I wrote that in the COmmand section, but still it doesn't work |
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| 20:59.34 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Go to wiki.flimzy.com. click on the "Debian on USB" link |
| 21:00.23 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: If you find any additional info that's useful, feel free to add to my wiki, too :) |
| 21:00.34 | deb_noob | enouf: any ideas? |
| 21:00.54 | enouf | deb_noob: tried to? |
| 21:01.11 | deb_noob | tried to what? |
| 21:01.13 | Surferdude | alright |
| 21:01.29 | Surferdude | (sorry for the late replies, multitasking) |
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| 21:01.42 | deb_noob | enouf: tried to what? |
| 21:01.58 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: No prob. And bookmark it... it's very much a work in progress... check back tomorrow or the next day, I'll be adding more as I figure out what works and what doesn't. |
| 21:02.44 | enouf | <deb_noob> no, i tried to <-- tried to move the cable? |
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| 21:03.16 | deb_noob | and what happened when you tried to |
| 21:03.17 | enouf | deb_noob: bottom line is you may be on a completely diff Sata Controller |
| 21:03.21 | Azar | x_link: http://www.xfce.org/about/tour >> window manager tweaks? |
| 21:03.34 | x_link | I will take a look |
| 21:03.39 | deb_noob | enouf: and what happens if i am? can i change it? |
| 21:03.50 | x_link | That site didn't work |
| 21:03.54 | enouf | deb_noob: also seee the grub manual .. if you're not |
| 21:04.04 | deb_noob | i think i am |
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| 21:04.16 | enouf | deb_noob: you need to alter your device.map file likely |
| 21:04.46 | Azar | x_link: sure works I am looking at it right now |
| 21:05.02 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: Once I have it working as I like, I will have to test it on low-memory systems to determine the minimum RAM requirements |
| 21:05.02 | Azar | man I am glad I am not using xfce |
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| 21:05.23 | deb_noob | enouf how do i do that? |
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| 21:05.25 | x_link | http://www.xfce.org/about/tour/ |
| 21:05.28 | pablo_ | hi, what has been changed in wireless suport from sarge to etch? |
| 21:05.33 | x_link | Doesn't work for me |
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| 21:06.09 | v_ | hi, how does one specify what base pacakges debootrap installs? |
| 21:06.13 | Flimzy_ | Surferdude: But I suspect it will work in 128mb easily. |
| 21:06.24 | v_ | debootstrap |
| 21:06.24 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.42 | stoned | Azar: xfce == "The Shiz" |
| 21:06.47 | garotosopa | hi there. is it possible to change my 2.6.18 kernel back to 2.6.15 without many headaches? the vmlinuz is still there. can I just modify grub? |
| 21:06.56 | Azar | hey hi stoned |
| 21:06.59 | Alptraum` | i'm not sure which setting for exim i should take: http://nopaste.info/80fa6e5d28.html |
| 21:07.06 | Alptraum` | i'm not sure which setting for exim i should take: http://nopaste.info/80fa6e5d28.html |
| 21:07.08 | Alptraum` | sry |
| 21:07.11 | Alptraum` | for a webserver that has several domains, pop3, smtp and imap support |
| 21:07.13 | stoned | garotosopa: yes you can |
| 21:07.13 | Azar | man, I hate complicating my life with extra stuff on my screen.. |
| 21:07.16 | enouf | deb_noob: how do you do what? |
| 21:07.16 | v_ | i knew an alaskan malamute named Azar. he died of a heat stroke. |
| 21:07.17 | Flimzy_ | garotosopa: if you install a .deb of 2.6.15, and then remove 2.6.18, then the installer will take care of grub for you. It should be pretty painless. |
| 21:07.38 | stoned | garotosopa: if the kernel is still there, then the .18 kernel was prepended to the /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:08.02 | garotosopa | should I expect any modules problem? |
| 21:08.02 | deb_noob | change whatever file i need to to recognize the change in the move of the hard drive |
| 21:08.07 | jelly-home | Alptraum`: internet site... if your server will be the MX for those domains |
| 21:08.09 | enouf | deb_noob: read the manual .. see /boot/grub/device.map or /boot/device.map whatever |
| 21:08.14 | stoned | garotosopa: garotosopa .15 is there so it should be in the menu.lst Just check it, increase the timer, move the entries around whatever |
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| 21:08.20 | pablo_ | hi, what has been changed in wireless suport from sarge to etch? |
| 21:08.21 | Flimzy_ | garotosopa: Not if you install a .deb. Unless you have some custom modules now. |
| 21:08.22 | Alptraum` | jelly: what means MX? |
| 21:08.26 | Azar | lots of people want good looks, movies, music, phone on a PC. Like my father I use a radio, a cd/dvd player, and a TV for that stuff |
| 21:08.26 | stoned | mexico |
| 21:08.27 | Alptraum` | jelly-home |
| 21:08.43 | jelly-home | Alptraum`: the server which receives all mail for a particular domain |
| 21:09.03 | Alptraum` | jelly-home: yes that would fit. what means smarthost then? |
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| 21:09.12 | garotosopa | Flimzy_, I need nvidia module... can it be downgraded as well? |
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| 21:09.22 | Flimzy_ | Alptraum`: MX is Mail Transport. If you're talking about DNS. |
| 21:09.31 | stoned | Azar: in my home in louisiana, I've got HD theater sound built into every ceieling in every room and every wall. I have an mp3 player in the shower and the controls are on the opposite side of the stall |
| 21:09.32 | enouf | deb_noob: IF you added antother drive into sata1 or 2 or whwrver (since you are being EXTREMELY vague) .. then also man /etc/fstab |
| 21:09.34 | garotosopa | stoned, yeah it's there.. I was concerned about modules and stuff |
| 21:09.41 | Flimzy_ | garotosopa: You'll need to install the 2.6.15 version, or compile it yourself. (I always opt to compile it myself) |
| 21:09.48 | stoned | garotosopa: well yeah, if you compiled some modules with .18 source |
| 21:09.49 | deb_noob | no it's the drive i'm using |
| 21:09.54 | jelly-home | Alptraum`: all mail gets sent to your ISP's mail server which delivers it further ... the ISP's server is a smarthost |
| 21:09.54 | deb_noob | the drive the OS is on! |
| 21:09.58 | stoned | you're going to have to recompile to use with .15 |
| 21:10.03 | enouf | !gentoosmite wwallace |
| 21:10.06 | abrotman | Azar: no .. i'm here .. just battling win32 apps :) |
| 21:10.09 | stoned | william wallace! |
| 21:10.13 | Azar | stoned: hehehe I can imagine you getting nakie off the shower to reach the other side of the wall to adjust controls |
| 21:10.14 | Alptraum` | jelly-home: ok thx alot |
| 21:10.16 | stoned | you can take our freedom |
| 21:10.21 | stoned | but you can NEVER take our POT! |
| 21:10.22 | Azar | yay! hi abrotman |
| 21:10.45 | Surferdude | mmm..nothing quite like cracking open a spindle of 50 CD-R's thats going to be gone in a couple months |
| 21:10.54 | enouf | deb_noob: er man fstab .. the file is /etc/fstab .. |
| 21:10.59 | jelly-home | Alptraum`: if you're going to host multiple domains and stuff you'll need to learn about DNS (MX among other stuff) |
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| 21:11.13 | x_link | HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA |
| 21:11.14 | stoned | !mx |
| 21:11.14 | dpkg | well, mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an MTA where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. |
| 21:11.24 | wwallace | enouf, finally i have a new boiler |
| 21:11.27 | deb_noob | and just add another setting? |
| 21:11.27 | wwallace | :) |
| 21:11.28 | x_link | I have spelled it xfce4-terminal --gemtry 63x24 |
| 21:11.29 | Alptraum` | jelly-home: know a good source for the beginning? |
| 21:11.34 | deb_noob | how will i know what to label it? |
| 21:11.41 | enouf | wwallace: it;'s about time you cheapstingybastage |
| 21:11.43 | x_link | It should be "xfce4-terminal --geometry 63x24 |
| 21:11.47 | x_link | I forgot one "e" |
| 21:11.56 | wwallace | my parents paid for it :) |
| 21:11.56 | Azar | !spank x_link |
| 21:12.00 | enouf | deb_noob: go to Staples and buy some stickers |
| 21:12.07 | stoned | bah |
| 21:12.09 | stoned | do as I do |
| 21:12.13 | stoned | print your own debian stickers |
| 21:12.15 | stoned | you got a printer? |
| 21:12.19 | stoned | just get sticker paper |
| 21:12.22 | stoned | cheap setup |
| 21:12.54 | wwallace | vista ultimate 249 |
| 21:13.04 | wwallace | expensive' |
| 21:13.09 | stoned | I don't print Microshit stickers |
| 21:13.16 | stoned | vista is a joke man |
| 21:13.21 | garotosopa | stoned, is it common that the compuer completely crashes (not userland) to be cause of kernel updates? it might be coincidence but it begins to happen after 2.6.18 |
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| 21:13.38 | stoned | garotosopa: why if I may ask, are you wanting to downgrade? |
| 21:13.57 | stoned | oh |
| 21:14.05 | Azar | garotosopa: there might be something you did wrong or did not do while upgrading the kernel .. initrd stuff n such, you use lilo? |
| 21:14.07 | stoned | I guess I should've read the whole thing |
| 21:14.11 | garotosopa | stoned, after changing to 2.6.18 it began to crash and I tested most of my hardware... |
| 21:14.23 | stoned | garotosopa: crash what? |
| 21:14.26 | garotosopa | Azar, grub |
| 21:14.28 | stoned | garotosopa: you've checked dmesg? |
| 21:14.46 | garotosopa | stoned, checked syslog and it seems fine |
| 21:14.50 | Azar | garotosopa: see? with lilo one never crashes cuz we know we have to do something about it |
| 21:14.50 | x_link | Azar: lol =) |
| 21:15.00 | x_link | Damn it's fun learing this GNU/LInux |
| 21:15.02 | x_link | I really love it. |
| 21:15.02 | stoned | Azar: you're a tool lol |
| 21:15.05 | Azar | with grub, I have no idea what to do |
| 21:15.23 | stoned | I'm gonna go procure nourishment |
| 21:15.25 | stoned | I'm starving |
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| 21:15.34 | garotosopa | Azar, the point is that it boots and I'm here now and after a while doing different things it will crash randomly.. not even alt sysrq k will help |
| 21:15.36 | x_link | I will always LOVE KDE the most. But I must learn Xfce now. KDE feels a bit to much like Windows, but not xfce. |
| 21:15.56 | stew | wwallace: please turn that off |
| 21:16.00 | stoned | omg |
| 21:16.02 | wwallace | sorry |
| 21:16.10 | Azar | garotosopa: I would guess is grub did not take it well (the kernel upgrade) but I have no idea how grub gets fixed |
| 21:16.10 | stoned | so you're not going to use kde cuz it looks too much like windows? |
| 21:16.12 | stoned | c'mon man |
| 21:16.20 | stoned | thats a pretty lame reason |
| 21:16.22 | Azar | hahaha |
| 21:16.23 | enouf | wwallace: that shit don't fly well at all here |
| 21:16.32 | wwallace | i know enouf |
| 21:16.34 | wwallace | i slipped |
| 21:16.40 | garotosopa | Azar, are there anything during boot that may cause a crash after lets say 6 hours? |
| 21:16.48 | stoned | hey |
| 21:16.52 | stoned | i beg to differ |
| 21:17.01 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/kde.jpg |
| 21:17.05 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/desktop.jpg |
| 21:17.11 | Azar | after 6 hours since you rebooted with new kernel? |
| 21:17.27 | Azar | .. I mean you did reboot ok after kernel upgrade? |
| 21:17.46 | stoned | except for the fact that kde has windows, and titlebars, it uses a mouse.. has buttons and menus.. it looks like windows? |
| 21:17.52 | stoned | thats pretty whacked out man |
| 21:17.55 | wwallace | i have so much buggers dont know why |
| 21:17.57 | wwallace | :) |
| 21:18.05 | garotosopa | Azar, yes. |
| 21:18.16 | fireba11 | stoned 2880*1200 ? |
| 21:18.17 | garotosopa | Azar, I'm running the new kernel now and I'm sure it will crash soon |
| 21:18.24 | stoned | yes |
| 21:18.30 | stoned | I like large thigns |
| 21:18.36 | stoned | not women though, their body parts |
| 21:18.38 | garotosopa | Azar, and it is not memory, nor vga, psu, or temperature... so I give up |
| 21:18.41 | stoned | I mean, large resolutions |
| 21:18.46 | stoned | *AHEM* |
| 21:18.46 | Azar | garotosopa: well there is some stinky in there then... if you rebooted ok, is not the grub or the kernel |
| 21:19.10 | fireba11 | stoned: and i thought my 1680*1050 here was a lot :-D |
| 21:19.15 | stoned | hehe |
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| 21:19.39 | Azar | garotosopa: I would say is a stinky package that you might have installed from a third party, I mean not a deb who breaks your system |
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| 21:20.21 | garotosopa | Azar, but could any package break such way Alt+SysRq+K wouldn't work?! |
| 21:20.23 | Azar | something like going on a website and installing some thing from there without being a deb package or a deb package that is not for your Debian version.... |
| 21:20.28 | stoned | alright |
| 21:20.29 | stoned | go away |
| 21:20.32 | stoned | I must go find food |
| 21:20.44 | Azar | go feed yourself stoned |
| 21:20.47 | deb_noob | bbl |
| 21:20.50 | _FeelFree_ | hi |
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| 21:21.35 | Azar | garotosopa: personally? I only install deb packages that are listed on my repository, meaning ment for Debian Sarge and I go 100% stable and secure |
| 21:22.13 | Azar | .. anything less is raising your userlevel to "tester" |
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| 21:22.27 | Azar | errr anything more I ment |
| 21:22.28 | garotosopa | I can't remember installing anything outside apt-get install... |
| 21:22.57 | Azar | garotosopa: what Debian version are you running? |
| 21:23.02 | garotosopa | Azar, etch |
| 21:23.03 | h3sp4wn | I use mplayer from debian-multimedia everything else is official |
| 21:23.05 | Azar | 3.? |
| 21:23.06 | Azar | ah |
| 21:23.18 | stoned | Azar: I'm not really a tester.. I've been running sid for years |
| 21:23.19 | garotosopa | but the point is how can an unprivileged package crash the whole system? |
| 21:23.25 | Azar | ok Etch is still a testing version so you might want to report this to help with the bugs |
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| 21:23.35 | stoned | powerade and hot pockets |
| 21:23.41 | Azar | stoned: you are a gold-level tester then |
| 21:23.54 | enouf | x_link: Konsole has tabs |
| 21:23.57 | zinx | garo: unpriviledged package? o_O |
| 21:24.06 | garotosopa | Azar, yup but report what? like Hi guys my computer freezes and I don't know when nor why nor where. Please fix it asap. regards. :( |
| 21:24.16 | stoned | mxrvt has tabs |
| 21:24.18 | enouf | x_link: i have 9 open now :-) |
| 21:24.19 | stoned | i think |
| 21:24.20 | Azar | garotosopa: Etch is still a testing version and any problems might happen you get the luckyest one to report |
| 21:24.24 | x_link | enouf: Do you use konsole? |
| 21:24.50 | nse | the big point is that you are always here |
| 21:24.54 | Azar | garotosopa: the upgrading of the kernel got you here... so describe all you did and what happened since you upgraded the kernel |
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| 21:25.21 | enouf | x_link: that and ~25 links2 -g windows |
| 21:25.45 | Azar | garotosopa: you went for the 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 21:25.51 | enouf | x_link: and Epiphany with ~8 tabs open |
| 21:25.56 | garotosopa | Azar, yes. from 2.6.15 |
| 21:26.02 | enouf | x_link: all on a pII :-) |
| 21:26.20 | Azar | garotosopa: yep you are good then because the 2.6.18 was just uploaded to Etch for testing.. so you can contribute |
| 21:26.56 | enouf | x_link: not to mention I'm in 9 irc channels using ksirc |
| 21:27.05 | Azar | maybe thanks to your input Etch gonna get released earlier |
| 21:27.53 | x_link | enouf: heeh wow. P II. |
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| 21:28.04 | x_link | Ho wmuch RAM ? and which Mhz? |
| 21:28.15 | x_link | enouf: Do you use any WM ? |
| 21:28.19 | enouf | 350 w/320RAM |
| 21:28.41 | enouf | x_link: kwin for now I guess |
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| 21:28.51 | garotosopa | Azar, I just don't know how to address this issue. there is no log and the only things left were CPU, mother board, lan and hd. I doubt anyone will be able to help without an error message or reproducion steps |
| 21:29.13 | Azar | garotosopa: when you report, state all the specs you can give about your system: Debian version, what kernel you had before , which kernel you upgraded to, you use grub, xorg, desktop, all you got then what is happening now, and possibly include error messages when it crashes |
| 21:29.28 | enouf | x_link: Mem: 322072 272364 49708 0 7192 51976 |
| 21:29.40 | x_link | enouf: I don't know how much/little that is =/ |
| 21:29.41 | enouf | x_link: that's from free |
| 21:29.51 | x_link | Okey |
| 21:29.55 | Azar | hmm there are errors logged, I just don't remember where .. enouf, you have idea where? bootup login messages? |
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| 21:30.15 | Azar | errr logs |
| 21:30.23 | Azar | maybe /var/logs |
| 21:30.54 | enouf | Azar: sorry? what ? lemmee review |
| 21:30.57 | garotosopa | Azar, I thought about /var/log/syslog but it seems like everything was fine then ksyslogd was restarting during boot. not kernel panic or fault or whatever should be there |
| 21:31.43 | Azar | enouf: some snapshots from a crash incident... where could be found? |
| 21:31.45 | abrotman | Azar: or at work ? |
| 21:32.30 | Azar | abrotman: oh... I forgot about that , personally I am on my day off today :) |
| 21:32.30 | abrotman | ok |
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| 21:33.11 | garotosopa | hi enouf, my box just crashes during random tasks and I was just wondering if there is any way to address the problem. it starts after 2.6.15 to .18 kernel but might be coincidence. change most of my hardware and still can't tell. |
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| 21:33.46 | enouf | garotosopa: is there a stable kernel that it doesn't crash on? |
| 21:34.03 | enouf | garotosopa: so everything below 2.6.15? |
| 21:34.10 | enouf | is stable for your box? |
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| 21:34.40 | garotosopa | enouf, well I was about to change back to 2.6.15 when it was not crashing - altough I'm not sure it's due to kernel upgrade or just some hardware and has freaked out in the meanwhile |
| 21:34.50 | enouf | garotosopa: maybe a udev issue .. there were many changes .. hrm .. |
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| 21:35.22 | enouf | garotosopa: try an earlier kernel .. see if it occurs too .. run memetest86+ to chack for bad RAM |
| 21:35.37 | garotosopa | enouf, I have changed the ram already |
| 21:35.51 | garotosopa | as well as the vga and psu |
| 21:36.12 | enouf | garotosopa: dpkg -l hotplug hal udev <-- pastebin results |
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| 21:37.19 | enouf | garotosopa: try an earlier kernel . <-- test that .. have you installed them properly? .. did a dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-XXX afterwards? .. who knows WHAT your sources.list looks like |
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| 21:38.16 | wwallace | !sources |
| 21:38.16 | dpkg | somebody said sources was /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 21:38.20 | garotosopa | enouf, here is dpkg result http://pastebin.ca/333378 |
| 21:38.22 | enouf | garotosopa: apologies .. I'm a bit busy now .. so may not be avaiable from here on |
| 21:38.26 | enouf | looking |
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| 21:38.40 | garotosopa | enouf, thanks anyway I'll try to downgrade ;) |
| 21:38.54 | enouf | !downgrade |
| 21:38.55 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 21:39.14 | enouf | garotosopa: just boor an earlier kernel |
| 21:39.19 | enouf | boot* |
| 21:39.32 | garotosopa | yeah the .15 is still there. |
| 21:39.32 | Nutssh | I have a quick question. A prior version of X (built last july) worked fine. A more recent version (built in Jan) crashes about once a day. How do I get a version of X with debugging symbils so I can make a bugreport? |
| 21:39.42 | garotosopa | I'll just have to play with nvidia modules but that's fine |
| 21:39.53 | enouf | garotosopa: pastebin is fine .. what's cat /proc/cmdline say? |
| 21:40.12 | garotosopa | enouf, root=/dev/hdb2 ro |
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| 21:41.00 | enouf | ok garotosopa .. try the earlier kernels to try an rule out hardware issues |
| 21:41.41 | garotosopa | fine. thanks enouf , Azar. I'll try the other kernel or buy new hardware tomorrow morning =/ |
| 21:41.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I burn an iso in the .img format? |
| 21:42.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | A DVD image* |
| 21:42.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not iso |
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| 21:42.41 | SaintN_a | hey fellas :) |
| 21:42.52 | paulswm | Dark_Apostrophe: is it a DVD video image? |
| 21:42.52 | SaintN_a | can someone please link me up to the etch netinst cd iso? |
| 21:42.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | paulswm: Yes |
| 21:43.01 | Gathond | what makes a DVD image not an iso? iirc DVD uses iso9660 as a filesystem just as CD's does |
| 21:43.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Gathond: It's in the .img format :/ |
| 21:43.24 | paulswm | Dark_Apostrophe: one way is: growisofs -dvd-compat -dvd-video -Z /dev/dvd=yourimagename |
| 21:43.26 | garotosopa | SaintN_a, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:43.32 | SaintN_a | thanks |
| 21:43.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | paulswm: Thanks |
| 21:43.51 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.img |
| 21:44.13 | AeonLibrarian | lol xD |
| 21:44.23 | paulswm | Dark_Apostrophe: yw |
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| 21:44.52 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: substitute /dev/dvd with your actual /dev like hda or sda |
| 21:45.02 | paulswm | Dark_Apostrophe: Always best to do a trial burn on a DVDRW if you have one, of course |
| 21:45.25 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: and man growisofs .. you may need to install dvd+rw-toools |
| 21:45.36 | enouf | Dark_Apostrophe: er dvd+rw-tools |
| 21:45.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I got it installed |
| 21:45.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | paulswm: I don't |
| 21:45.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | paulswm: But I got like 30 empty DVD+rs |
| 21:45.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | So no problem |
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| 21:47.04 | paulswm | Dark_Apostrophe: Ah well - the burn will be OK, I just get a bit anal about testing the image first :) |
| 21:47.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 21:47.14 | paulswm | hey abrotman |
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| 21:52.14 | jelly-home | mindframe: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 21:53.15 | garo | zinx: I am not garotosopa |
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| 21:57.49 | libben__ | i was trying to add a new folder on my external drive.. but it says root:root owns it... and i cant do that.. how do i turn my external drive to libben:libben or proper status like libben:root ? |
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| 22:01.20 | abrotman | !folder |
| 22:01.20 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 22:01.35 | mike-e | what repos do i need for nvu on etch? |
| 22:01.43 | abrotman | mike-e: i believe nvu has been abandoned |
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| 22:01.48 | abrotman | !nvu |
| 22:01.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com with packages in Sarge and newer for most archs. |
| 22:01.58 | abrotman | !why is nvu not in testing |
| 22:01.58 | dpkg | nvu is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvu |
| 22:02.09 | Indephysis | Uh, I just installed goodbye microsoft. Is there any way I can listen to mp3s on my ntfs partition? |
| 22:02.18 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 22:02.18 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
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| 22:02.39 | smimp | !ntfsrw |
| 22:02.40 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs>, or for i386, see <ntfs-3g> |
| 22:02.47 | Indephysis | I don't want to write :o |
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| 22:03.14 | speyer | anyone fam with amavis ? |
| 22:03.22 | abrotman | nor should you attempt a write |
| 22:03.27 | smimp | Indephysis: that was kind of for myself :) |
| 22:03.32 | Indephysis | Ah :O |
| 22:03.34 | mike-e | nice web page that doesn't even load. |
| 22:03.36 | abrotman | smimp: /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 22:03.48 | speyer | The value of variable $myhostname is "", but should have been a fully qualified domain name; perhaps uname(3) did not provide such. |
| 22:03.50 | abrotman | mike-e: nvu hasn't had a release in almost two years |
| 22:03.56 | speyer | thats what i get when i try top start amavis |
| 22:04.04 | abrotman | erm .. 1.5 years |
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| 22:04.32 | mike-e | it still works well |
| 22:04.47 | mike-e | debian isn't one to talk about slow releases. |
| 22:05.13 | mike-e | anyone know of an alternative wysiwyg editor? |
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| 22:05.57 | abrotman | bluefish maybe .. i think there's one in iceape also |
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| 22:06.33 | mike-e | bluefish isn't wysiwyg |
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| 22:06.43 | mike-e | unless it's changed recently |
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| 22:07.12 | abrotman | or you could *gasp* .. learn HTML |
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| 22:08.40 | mikearthur | anyone here use schroot? |
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| 22:08.59 | blondie | !anyone |
| 22:09.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:09.09 | mikearthur | blondie: cheers |
| 22:09.15 | Kaffien | is there a way to tell apt-get to install say kde and all its dependacies? |
| 22:09.25 | mikearthur | apt-get install kde :) |
| 22:09.28 | Kaffien | im having to manually install a dependacy every time it breaks |
| 22:09.31 | jelly-home | Kaffien: like ... apt-get install kde? |
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| 22:09.49 | Kaffien | it said this following package had dependancies but won't be installed |
| 22:09.57 | Kaffien | sorry |
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| 22:10.10 | mikearthur | does anyone know why schroot assigns my chroot name to x86-6bbd497c-3693-4ab6-af01-673fbd95e548 from x86? |
| 22:10.11 | jelly-home | Kaffien: you wouldn't have mixed repositories in your sources.list, would you? |
| 22:10.15 | enouf | mixing repos eh? |
| 22:10.23 | Kaffien | the following packages have unmet dependancies, postgresql depends on postgresql-client but is not going to be installed |
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| 22:10.39 | Kaffien | no just using backports where necisarry |
| 22:10.52 | jelly-home | Kaffien: apt-get -f install |
| 22:11.05 | mike-e | abrotman : why would I waste my time learning html when theres millions of high school students that know more html than most people |
| 22:11.11 | enouf | blondie: it doen't afaik |
| 22:11.13 | jelly-home | Kaffien: will, maybe, fix some dependencies |
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| 22:11.26 | abrotman | mike-e: learning is good ? |
| 22:11.26 | blondie | enouf: Kaffien claims it does |
| 22:11.33 | mikearthur | mike-e: because you want to make websites. It's kinda a prereq to making websites that aren't terrible |
| 22:11.38 | lex | Anyone has a synaptic touchpad enabled laptop? |
| 22:11.43 | mikearthur | lex: yep |
| 22:11.46 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 22:11.46 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:11.51 | lex | I need to decenlty program that thing.... its freakishly unpredictable |
| 22:12.08 | enouf | blondie: "indicates" and "claims" are close .. yes :-) |
| 22:12.11 | jelly-home | lex: are you using the synaptic driver? |
| 22:12.18 | blondie | :P |
| 22:12.20 | mike-e | i'm not going to spend time learning a markup language when all i want to do is modify one thing on one site, some of us have better things to do with our time |
| 22:12.25 | lex | jelly-home, no idea |
| 22:12.27 | mikearthur | lex: man synaptics |
| 22:12.30 | lex | okok |
| 22:12.33 | lex | duh |
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| 22:12.54 | mikearthur | mike-e: it's not like it takes long. And any WYSIWYG HTML editor will screw your site anyway |
| 22:12.55 | matteo | hi all |
| 22:13.03 | matteo | i have two ethernet with the same name |
| 22:13.06 | mikearthur | mike-e: if you just aren't clever enough, say so |
| 22:13.06 | matteo | they are both eth0 |
| 22:13.14 | matteo | http://pastebin.ca/333421 |
| 22:13.22 | mike-e | haha yeah it takes a lot of wit to be a web developer |
| 22:13.34 | mike-e | i'm sure you take great pride in such a thing. |
| 22:13.42 | libben__ | http://www.break.com/index/robot_arm_ride.html |
| 22:13.48 | mikearthur | mike-e: clearly more than you have. HTML has like 20 tags |
| 22:14.19 | blondie | matteo: I don't see how that paste implies you have two eth0s |
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| 22:14.29 | matteo | blondie: sorry |
| 22:14.31 | matteo | http://pastebin.ca/333424 |
| 22:14.35 | matteo | here is it |
| 22:14.40 | n3kl | Hi. I would like to isntall xen and test out virtualization, but I don't know where to start. Can someone please linkn me in the right direction? |
| 22:14.42 | stoned | we used to build robot arms in 9th grade |
| 22:14.52 | mike-e | mikearthur : your pseudo-intellectual bullshit is quite adorable |
| 22:14.57 | mike-e | please continue as i chortle |
| 22:15.00 | stoned | hydrolics, they were used with buffalo syringes |
| 22:15.15 | stoned | we made submarines |
| 22:15.24 | stoned | remote controlled destruction derby vehicles |
| 22:15.33 | stoned | they even tought us how to repair an AC in 9th grade |
| 22:15.36 | blondie | we built robot arms with lego! |
| 22:15.46 | mikearthur | mike-e: good attitude, you'll go far |
| 22:16.26 | mikearthur | enouf: sorry |
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| 22:16.27 | blondie | naughty mikes, stop squabbling |
| 22:16.30 | mikearthur | heh |
| 22:16.37 | stoned | blondie: dye your hair |
| 22:16.43 | blondie | perhaps. |
| 22:16.44 | libben__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAGZiE45FOc |
| 22:16.50 | mikearthur | does anyone know why schroot assigns my chroot name to x86-6bbd497c-3693-4ab6-af01-673fbd95e548 from x86? |
| 22:16.50 | stoned | blondie: natural blondie? |
| 22:17.12 | blondie | do you mean natural blonde? |
| 22:17.23 | rahul | !ops mike-e trolling and insulting users |
| 22:17.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: rahul complains about: mike-e trolling and insulting users |
| 22:17.25 | blondie | anyway I'm sure you've asked me that before |
| 22:17.26 | mike-e | mikearthur : man chroot? |
| 22:17.40 | mikearthur | mike-e: firstly, it's schroot not chroot |
| 22:17.46 | mike-e | !INS rahul |
| 22:17.59 | mikearthur | mike-e: secondly, man schroot doesn't suggest anything remotely helpful |
| 22:18.05 | stoned | yes |
| 22:18.08 | mike-e | gasp, google? |
| 22:18.14 | stoned | but yer nick is with oe |
| 22:18.19 | mike-e | such an intuitive person like yourself can't figure it out?!@ |
| 22:18.24 | mikearthur | yes, I regularly ask questions without Google |
| 22:18.24 | mike-e | you'll go far. |
| 22:18.25 | peterS | mike-e: tone it down please |
| 22:18.30 | stoned | so i thought id say blondie twice in 1 sentence |
| 22:18.42 | mike-e | alright. |
| 22:18.45 | mikearthur | mike-e: the people offering me jobs seem to think so |
| 22:18.46 | speyer | whats amavis default config file ? |
| 22:18.46 | matteo | a faster pastebin: http://qtnode.net/pastebin/2104 |
| 22:19.01 | mike-e | mikearthur : i'll file that under 'who gives a crap' |
| 22:19.03 | stoned | !paster matteo |
| 22:19.03 | dpkg | matteo: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 22:19.16 | stoned | thats the fastest |
| 22:19.20 | matteo | okok |
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| 22:19.58 | speyer | debian amavis configs files its a spaghetti mess |
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| 22:20.19 | matteo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5218 |
| 22:20.19 | stoned | nah |
| 22:20.29 | stoned | you can sort speghetti out |
| 22:20.31 | stoned | :) |
| 22:20.39 | speyer | :) |
| 22:20.59 | speyer | i whish i could replace my old amavus single config file |
| 22:21.17 | speyer | there are many configs file "dure security" hehe |
| 22:21.20 | speyer | *due |
| 22:21.27 | stoned | im just saying, I don't even know what amavas is |
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| 22:21.34 | speyer | :) |
| 22:21.45 | stoned | In my language, Amavas means the one night of the month where there is no moon |
| 22:21.48 | stoned | completely dark night |
| 22:21.52 | stoned | the night of Amavas |
| 22:21.54 | stoned | hindi |
| 22:21.58 | speyer | :)) |
| 22:22.08 | speyer | whats your mother language ? |
| 22:22.15 | stoned | hindi/urdu/arabic |
| 22:22.15 | cafe_roy | exit |
| 22:22.17 | stoned | etc. |
| 22:22.22 | speyer | ok |
| 22:22.29 | speyer | cafe_roy ? |
| 22:22.33 | stoned | north indian languages |
| 22:22.34 | speyer | :) |
| 22:22.37 | speyer | ok |
| 22:22.39 | stoned | I also speak debian |
| 22:22.41 | stoned | :D |
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| 22:22.58 | speyer | help me with the spaghetti mess then |
| 22:23.05 | stoned | how can I |
| 22:23.10 | stoned | I have no idea what amavas is |
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| 22:23.22 | stoned | !amavas |
| 22:23.24 | stoned | how do you spell it |
| 22:23.30 | stoned | !amavis |
| 22:23.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, amavis is a AMaViS (A Mail Virus Scanner) scans e-mail attachments for viruses using third-party virus scanners available for UNIX environments. It resides on a UNIX (Linux) machine and looks through the attached files arriving via e-mail, generates reports when a virus is found and sets the delivery on hold. Located at http://www.amavis.org |
| 22:23.38 | peterS | well, he can't decide whether it is amavis or amavus or amavas |
| 22:23.44 | stoned | lol |
| 22:23.46 | peterS | that would make for a pretty confusing package, I agree |
| 22:23.47 | libben__ | i was trying to add a new folder on my external drive.. but it says root:root owns it... and i cant do that.. how do i turn my external drive to libben:libben or proper status like libben:root ? some say use hald or fstab... i just wanna know what is best solution and smartest |
| 22:23.50 | stoned | lol |
| 22:24.46 | speyer | what file system type ? |
| 22:24.57 | libben__ | ext3 |
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| 22:25.19 | speyer | change the permission to it .. once change no need to change it anymore |
| 22:25.24 | libben__ | ok |
| 22:25.30 | libben__ | simple solution |
| 22:25.30 | Kaffien | so yeah postgresql needs postgresql-client which needs libpq3 7.4 or greater |
| 22:25.32 | speyer | add a entry in fstab to auto mount it at boot |
| 22:25.35 | stoned | as long as you didn't mount it ro you should be able to modify perms |
| 22:25.44 | stoned | just create a folder you need as root |
| 22:25.47 | Kaffien | but I have the most up to date version even after apt-get update |
| 22:25.48 | speyer | stoned eaven if |
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| 22:25.52 | Kaffien | I have like 7.4.6 |
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| 22:25.57 | stoned | then change the perms on tha folder with chown |
| 22:26.04 | stoned | login as user and you'll have access |
| 22:26.15 | libben__ | yeah |
| 22:26.36 | blondie | Kaffien: I thought you wanted to install kde? |
| 22:26.37 | libben__ | but is there anyway to change the whole partition to be libben:root ? |
| 22:27.07 | stoned | why you want to be in group root? |
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| 22:27.22 | stoned | +do |
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| 22:27.50 | thinkmassive | greetings! I'm having some issues with x after attempting a kernel upgrade (which didn't work, so I reverted back to 2.6.9( |
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| 22:28.07 | stoned | thinkmassive: what video card? |
| 22:28.12 | thinkmassive | it seems like some of my devices were deleted |
| 22:28.17 | thinkmassive | geforce2 mx |
| 22:28.22 | stoned | using nvidia or nv? |
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| 22:28.29 | thinkmassive | well vesa for now |
| 22:28.31 | thinkmassive | nv didn't work |
| 22:28.49 | thinkmassive | now I can't even run dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:28.54 | stoned | after kernel upgrade what is he erro rmessage it gives |
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| 22:29.01 | thinkmassive | I mean it "runs" but with no output |
| 22:29.14 | libben__ | stoned: wich group should i add then? |
| 22:29.26 | stoned | libben__: whatever you want |
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| 22:29.35 | stoned | just do all root stuff as sudo or su |
| 22:29.38 | thinkmassive | well the kernel was compiled remotely on an ubuntu machine |
| 22:29.48 | stoned | leave the file grouops to user:user |
| 22:29.57 | thinkmassive | what would cause dpkg-recofigure to not work? |
| 22:30.09 | stoned | thinkmassive: thats funny |
| 22:30.10 | h3sp4wn | spelling it wrong ? |
| 22:30.14 | thinkmassive | when I startx it fails with "no display device" and can't find /dev/psaux |
| 22:30.16 | Kaffien | I was using that as an example blondie |
| 22:30.22 | Kaffien | im trying to install scalix email system |
| 22:30.26 | thinkmassive | haha my bad, I'm definitely spelling it correctly |
| 22:30.38 | stoned | thinkmassive: and you are sure you're x's config is ok |
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| 22:30.56 | thinkmassive | also, after I try to startx and it dumps me back to console, the screen is sort of strobing so I reboot |
| 22:31.11 | Kaffien | it says depends: libpq3 (>=7.4) does this mean that I need higher or less than 7.4? |
| 22:31.12 | thinkmassive | no, I'm not sure the xconfig is okay, but it was fine before |
| 22:31.15 | stoned | strange |
| 22:31.21 | thinkmassive | and I can't run dpkg-reconfigure to fix it |
| 22:31.28 | stoned | paste your config on |
| 22:31.32 | stoned | !paster thinkmassive |
| 22:31.32 | dpkg | thinkmassive: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
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| 22:31.35 | Kaffien | apt-get -f install doesn't fix this |
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| 22:31.57 | Kaffien | and I have libpq3-7.4.6 installed |
| 22:31.58 | thinkmassive | I even tried apt-get remove/install for the entire x systemand it does nothing |
| 22:32.04 | curt | greater than or equal to |
| 22:32.05 | stoned | thinkmassive: you've ever compiled display driver modules? |
| 22:32.23 | thinkmassive | stoned: I'm not sure if I compiled the modules or not, I'm going to guess no |
| 22:32.25 | stoned | device not being present usually means the kernel doesn't have the module loaded |
| 22:32.51 | stoned | try modprobe mousedev for the mouse problem |
| 22:32.53 | stoned | as for the display |
| 22:32.56 | stoned | I'm not too sure |
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| 22:33.34 | thinkmassive | mice: PS/2 mouse device is common for all mice |
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| 22:35.00 | thinkmassive | okay I can modprobe nvidia-agp, but that's not the one I was using |
| 22:35.05 | stoned | thinkmassive: on the new kernel, try compiling the nvidia drivers and load the module |
| 22:35.13 | stoned | see if that fixes your problem |
| 22:35.16 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 22:35.16 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
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| 22:35.24 | curt | thinkmassive, ^c^a f1 and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xorg) |
| 22:35.32 | thinkmassive | I had vesa working, and when I do modprobe vesa I get FATAL: Module vesa not found |
| 22:36.05 | thinkmassive | what's ^c^a f1 ? |
| 22:36.13 | stoned | thinkmassive: ctrl alt f1 |
| 22:36.20 | stoned | and umm |
| 22:36.25 | thinkmassive | well I'm stuck in console |
| 22:36.31 | stoned | if he startx, then startx is not a background process |
| 22:36.35 | stoned | tty1 wont help him to begin with |
| 22:37.24 | thinkmassive | wow dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg seems to be working... |
| 22:37.28 | thinkmassive | I think I did this once though |
| 22:37.30 | stoned | yes |
| 22:37.35 | thinkmassive | should I use a framebuffer or not? |
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| 22:37.41 | curt | I was going to ask why then you couldn't just d-r xserver |
| 22:37.42 | stoned | I think I asked you earlier if you had xorg or xfree |
| 22:37.49 | stoned | !drxx |
| 22:37.50 | dpkg | i heard drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 22:38.09 | stoned | and to paste your x config file on pastebin |
| 22:38.19 | thinkmassive | hmm I know it used to be xfree but now only xorg is working |
| 22:38.26 | curt | say no to framebuffer |
| 22:38.31 | stoned | thinkmassive: you have debian? |
| 22:38.35 | thinkmassive | well I'm not sure how to cut and paste in console |
| 22:38.39 | stoned | you said something about ubuntu earlier |
| 22:38.40 | thinkmassive | stoned: yes |
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| 22:39.09 | thinkmassive | I compiled the kernel in ubuntu, which didn't work on this laptop because something was different between systems |
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| 22:39.24 | Surferdude | anyone know how to get into rescue mode from a boot: prompt |
| 22:39.28 | thinkmassive | !paste |
| 22:39.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:39.40 | twisted` | ey I'm tryin to run apt-get update but I get: E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_sarge_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 22:40.09 | twisted` | (there's some other errors but I can paste those when requested...) |
| 22:40.18 | Surferdude | Either my HD bit the dust, or debian isnt installing GRUB right |
| 22:41.13 | thinkmassive | okay I'm trying to startx, might die for a second |
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| 22:42.21 | twisted` | damn openoffice |
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| 22:42.26 | twisted` | it won't let me update apt |
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| 22:43.11 | SerajewelKS | you don't "update apt" |
| 22:43.27 | karsten | What are the full "iceweasel" suite? Iceweasel, Icedove, and Iceape? Anything else? |
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| 22:43.38 | SerajewelKS | iced tea |
| 22:43.39 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 22:43.45 | karsten | SerajewelKS: ? |
| 22:43.48 | Reiser_X | is there any channel of MySQL? |
| 22:43.54 | SerajewelKS | karsten: joke :) |
| 22:43.59 | karsten | Reiser_X: /msg chanserv list *mysql* |
| 22:44.00 | SerajewelKS | Reiser_X: have you tried #mysql? |
| 22:44.04 | stoned | #mysql |
| 22:44.12 | SerajewelKS | !lart Reiser_X |
| 22:44.13 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 22:44.14 | stoned | hey |
| 22:44.15 | Reiser_X | thanks |
| 22:44.19 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Joke? |
| 22:44.22 | stoned | SerajewelKS: you're in kansas? |
| 22:44.24 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: I do update it's file where i knows to grab it's stuff from |
| 22:44.33 | SerajewelKS | stoned: for the umpteenth time no |
| 22:44.42 | stoned | I never asked you before man |
| 22:44.44 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: you update your package lists |
| 22:44.47 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Correct answer: "Not any more" |
| 22:44.48 | stoned | I just noticed the KS |
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| 22:44.58 | SerajewelKS | stoned: lots of people have :) |
| 22:44.59 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: well I can't, cause something ^$@%@'s up |
| 22:45.08 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: pastebin? |
| 22:45.29 | rahul | uh, hmm. is there some tool that's supposed to unpack the linux-tree-x.x.x? |
| 22:45.31 | stoned | SerajewelKS: take it easy mister I-lost-my-patience |
| 22:45.33 | rahul | and patch it? |
| 22:45.33 | stoned | :) |
| 22:45.35 | SerajewelKS | !SerajewelKS is a male from Indiana. Not a female from Kansas. |
| 22:45.35 | dpkg | ...but serajewelks is already something else... |
| 22:45.38 | thinkmassive | well look at that, x is alive again... only problem now is my tty's disappeared |
| 22:45.41 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 22:45.50 | karsten | SerajewelKS: So, icewm is the new freed Mozilla window manager? ;-) |
| 22:45.56 | SerajewelKS | i'm afraid to check that factoid |
| 22:46.02 | SerajewelKS | karsten: haha yes! |
| 22:46.02 | karsten | SerajewelKS: Yes, toto. |
| 22:46.13 | stoned | you know |
| 22:46.24 | stoned | that and mary poppins have to my all time favs |
| 22:46.25 | SerajewelKS | !serajewelks |
| 22:46.25 | dpkg | hmm... serajewelks is a male from Indiana. So stop asking. |
| 22:46.26 | rahul | does anyone actually use linux-tree-*? |
| 22:46.26 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.ca/333460 |
| 22:46.26 | stoned | even today |
| 22:46.31 | stoned | those two movies kicked ass |
| 22:46.32 | SerajewelKS | hey whaddayaknow |
| 22:46.46 | karsten | rahul: popcon |
| 22:46.56 | stoned | dpkg SerajewelKS is also a tool |
| 22:46.56 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
| 22:46.59 | stoned | :) |
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| 22:47.03 | SerajewelKS | :< |
| 22:47.05 | rahul | frigging linus and his stupid decisions |
| 22:47.09 | rahul | karsten: poocon |
| 22:47.10 | stoned | SerajewelKS: we love you buddy |
| 22:47.11 | stoned | lol |
| 22:47.21 | SerajewelKS | i know :) |
| 22:47.34 | karsten | dpkg: stoned is a primitive tool. |
| 22:47.35 | dpkg | ...but stoned is already something else... |
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| 22:47.35 | SerajewelKS | you fuxxored the factoid though, message the bot |
| 22:47.37 | jelly-home | rahul: what's Linus done again? |
| 22:47.38 | rahul | is it supposed to be used? |
| 22:47.43 | karsten | !stoned |
| 22:47.44 | rahul | jelly-home: gotten rid of stable kernels |
| 22:47.49 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 22:47.50 | jelly-home | rahul: oh that |
| 22:47.55 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: could ya tell me what I can do to *fix* it |
| 22:47.55 | stoned | haha |
| 22:48.00 | thinkmassive | arrrr why are my consoles now blank screens? |
| 22:48.01 | SerajewelKS | !tell twisted` about mmap |
| 22:48.01 | karsten | !karsten |
| 22:48.02 | dpkg | i heard karsten is ladies, run for your lives!, or fine like wine |
| 22:48.03 | rahul | I don't know what I should do to build a kernel any more. |
| 22:48.05 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: tried it on two different debian boxes |
| 22:48.05 | stoned | in yo face! |
| 22:48.06 | jelly-home | rahul: there's 2.6.16.30 but I'm afraid to use it |
| 22:48.09 | stoned | hehe |
| 22:48.16 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: see what dpkg told you |
| 22:48.37 | ShockSMX | why can't i mount a usb drive unless i'm root? |
| 22:48.49 | rahul | ShockSMX: because you're modifying system-wide stuff. |
| 22:48.51 | SerajewelKS | ShockSMX: because only root can mount stuff |
| 22:49.01 | karsten | ShockSMX: 'user' option. Also /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 22:49.02 | SerajewelKS | (unless it's in fstab and "user") |
| 22:49.05 | ShockSMX | so that's generally SOP, su root and then mount? |
| 22:49.08 | jelly-home | rahul: also, grsecurity doesn't care about "stable" 2.6.16.x which makes it much less useful to me |
| 22:49.09 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: thank you :D |
| 22:49.11 | twisted` | let's try |
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| 22:49.16 | twisted` | same error... let's increase it |
| 22:49.20 | karsten | !vfatr2 |
| 22:49.22 | karsten | !vfatrw |
| 22:49.22 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 22:49.30 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: or use aptitude like you are supposed to |
| 22:49.44 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: so now I'm being forced into using X? |
| 22:49.52 | rahul | so I guess I'm stuck on 2.6.9 |
| 22:49.56 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: since when was aptitude an X app |
| 22:50.07 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: aptitude update |
| 22:50.11 | twisted` | that's what I remember anyways, that it's an X program |
| 22:50.12 | twisted` | k lemme try |
| 22:50.18 | rahul | "remember" from what? |
| 22:50.21 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: you are thinking of synaptic |
| 22:50.28 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: ah, yep |
| 22:50.35 | twisted` | get the same error |
| 22:50.49 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: aptitude is a drop-in for apt-get; if you run it with no args it's an ncurses interface |
| 22:50.50 | Sero | I'm having trouble with the installer (etch net-install) when I'm trying to configure RAID. I manage to set up the first disk to be RAID, but when trying the other two disks the option "physical volume for RAID" is not there... |
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| 22:51.39 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: k |
| 22:52.00 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: omg I hate that app, it's what I got after the netinst disc :@ |
| 22:52.04 | Sero | is this a bug in the current installer? |
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| 22:52.19 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: the command-line is still better than apt-get |
| 22:52.22 | rahul | !kernel |
| 22:52.24 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.19.2, prepatch: 2.6.20-rc6, snapshot: 2.6.20-rc6-git2, 2.4: 2.4.34, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc6-mm3 |
| 22:52.28 | rahul | oh bleh |
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| 22:52.47 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: yeah, but, as I said, aptitude update generated the same error as apt-get update |
| 22:53.29 | SerajewelKS | twisted`: i saw that, i'm not sure why that is except that you have a shitload of big repositories in your sources.list |
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| 22:53.41 | twisted` | SerajewelKS: it never made this error before |
| 22:53.45 | twisted` | it just started like now |
| 22:53.52 | stew | twisted`: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 22:54.06 | twisted` | stew: increased it and also using the other app |
| 22:54.12 | SerajewelKS | stew: we did that |
| 22:54.17 | karsten | Is there any good way to test ir a particular TERM value is recognized on a host? |
| 22:54.31 | stew | twisted`: you are getting Dynamic MMap ran out of room? |
| 22:54.35 | jelly-home | karsten: um, tput? |
| 22:55.00 | twisted` | yup |
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| 22:55.19 | karsten | jelly-home: Seems to work. |
| 22:55.31 | jelly-home | wow, and I was only guessing. |
| 22:55.33 | stew | twisted`: what do you have now in "APT::Cache-Limit" ? |
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| 22:56.03 | twisted` | stew: well first it was 12582912 but that seems to be 12M... I've increased it to 120m now just to be sure it won't bitch at me |
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| 22:56.10 | twisted` | and whaddaya now, it doesn't |
| 22:56.10 | thinkmassive | after I rebooted the same problem occurs (x can't start, screen goes into strobe mode) |
| 22:56.17 | twisted` | 12m max... the hell witht hat |
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| 22:56.19 | thinkmassive | something about "this screen doesn't support DRI" |
| 22:56.20 | karsten | jelly-home: So basically: tput -T $TERM reset || tput -T xterm reset |
| 22:56.26 | maxamillion | LordGamer: read the bot output ... |
| 22:56.31 | maxamillion | !why aptitude |
| 22:56.31 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 22:56.43 | thinkmassive | can i remove the Section "DRI" from the xorg.conf ? |
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| 22:57.09 | karsten | jelly-home: ... or less destructively: tput -T $TERM >/dev/null 2>&1 || export TERM=xterm |
| 22:57.19 | sorl | anyone familiar with po/pot files? |
| 22:57.30 | karsten | jelly-home: ... which seems to be reasonable. |
| 22:57.34 | thinkmassive | I'm starting to think my problems have nothing to do with the kernel upgrade, and everything to do with adding the testing repo's to apt then doing upgrade |
| 22:57.37 | sorl | i have a po file but it needs more strings that i want to translate from a new pot file... |
| 22:57.42 | karsten | sorl: 'file foo.po bar.pot'. What sort of files? |
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| 22:57.58 | maxamillion | Maximilian1st: hey there |
| 22:58.05 | sorl | karsten, translations..... |
| 22:58.06 | Maximilian1st | Hi maxamillion :-) |
| 22:58.07 | karsten | sorl: ... which is a roundabou tway of saying "NFC, more info required". |
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| 22:58.10 | twisted` | great! went from the one error of apt into the error of some program that won't install |
| 22:58.13 | rahul | sorl: that's not necessarily a good question for here |
| 22:58.17 | karsten | sorl: From ... ? |
| 22:58.25 | maxamillion | Maximilian1st: i don't see you in #xubuntu ;) |
| 22:58.29 | Maximilian1st | I just followed your discussion in #xubuntu ... |
| 22:58.31 | Maximilian1st | I am. |
| 22:58.33 | maxamillion | Maximilian1st: wait ... jk |
| 22:58.33 | rahul | sorl: it's not very debian specific |
| 22:58.56 | twobitsprite | so, I have postscript running, and I can netcat to it from a remote box, but when I try to send to it from my gmail account, it never gets through? |
| 22:58.58 | sorl | nah its not debian... sorry but...its linux :) |
| 22:59.03 | Reiser_X | how can install my Lexmark E220 Printer |
| 22:59.13 | jelly-home | karsten: there this "longname" option which promises to dump printable chars only, it exists on Solaris too so it's good enough for me |
| 22:59.18 | karsten | Reiser_X: cups |
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| 22:59.27 | Maximilian1st | Nope |
| 22:59.28 | karsten | jelly-home: Yeah, I just told you about it ;-) |
| 22:59.52 | jelly-home | karsten: I should read better then |
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| 23:00.01 | Reiser_X | coomand not found |
| 23:00.20 | rahul | Reiser_X: so install it and read the docs |
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| 23:00.38 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 23:00.49 | Reiser_X | apt-get install cups? |
| 23:00.59 | maxamillion | blondie: uhmmm.... sure, we could be related ... but that would all depend on your definition of "related" |
| 23:01.04 | rahul | where's that page on basic debian tools? |
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| 23:01.08 | Sero | RAID question: Is there any reason why "Physical volume for RAID" is not an option on 2 of my 3 disks? the first disk works like expected |
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| 23:02.25 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 23:02.25 | dpkg | methinks refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 23:02.30 | abrotman | rahul: that ? |
| 23:02.39 | jduggan | Sero: try alt f2 to a shell, cfdisk /dev/disk{2,3} and changing type to fd |
| 23:03.13 | rahul | probably |
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| 23:03.37 | p3rti | hi |
| 23:03.37 | jduggan | Sero: where disk 2/3 are the disk devices |
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| 23:03.54 | Sero | system doesn't seem to have cfdisk |
| 23:03.56 | p3rti | when i try to install a new kernel i get this error |
| 23:03.57 | Sero | #"¤ |
| 23:03.59 | p3rti | linux-image-2.6-k7: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 but it is not installable |
| 23:04.11 | p3rti | i make a aptitude update before |
| 23:04.12 | rahul | abrotman: hmm, would be nice to have an html one, too |
| 23:04.23 | p3rti | and it doesnt work |
| 23:04.37 | abrotman | rahul: have fun with that! |
| 23:04.52 | rahul | oh, damn you firefox for using adobe acrobat reader |
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| 23:05.09 | abrotman | rahul: the source is there in XML/DocBook format .. should be easy to generate something web-readable |
| 23:05.16 | rahul | hmm, no I was looking for something more to do with debian's tools |
| 23:05.24 | rahul | I think markybob made it |
| 23:05.29 | rahul | or did I make it, heh |
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| 23:07.10 | asulao | hello. trying to setup an ftp (vsftp) ssh tunnel. doesn't seem to work. On client: ssh -L 1111:<remote_ip>:21 <remote_ip>. Then try to connecto ftp server at localhost:1111, but it doesn't seem to work. It connects Okay, but ftp client doesn't get to retrieve directory listing. |
| 23:08.31 | Sero | jduggan: any tips on where I find cfdisk? is it on the cd? |
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| 23:09.01 | jduggan | Sero: should be able to run cfdisk durin the installer? |
| 23:09.22 | DarkCow | asulao, can you ftp over normally? |
| 23:09.47 | phogg | Is there a definitive answer to the cannot-start-X-after-reboot problem when you've used the nvidia .run file to install the drivers? I'd be happy to switch to the Debian Way of installing the drivers, but I so far I have had no luck in un-screwing the system |
| 23:10.38 | p3rti | someone can help me? |
| 23:10.39 | DarkCow | phogg, what error does X give? |
| 23:10.40 | Sero | maybe not this early, I find the .udeb file on the cd |
| 23:10.48 | eldowan | phogg: uninstall all nvidia sw from your machine, and look in /etc/rc.d and delete any nvidia scripts there. |
| 23:11.33 | phogg | eldowan: are those scripts put there by nvidia? I thought the debian package did thast |
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| 23:12.11 | lindenle | Hi I am trying to use my cell phone with ppp and I get an error after it dials the isp number...can someone help? |
| 23:12.42 | p3rti | i dont have any kernel installed.. and i cant install any! |
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| 23:12.53 | asulao | DarkCow: no, need to tunnel to a machine that has only ssh port to outside world. |
| 23:12.56 | phogg | p3rti: wow! How do you boot? |
| 23:13.02 | eldowan | phogg: I had the same problem as you are describing, and one of those scripts deleted some .ko files needed to run X. When I deleted those files all was well. Maybe you might just want to rename them instead of deleting them to be on the safe side. |
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| 23:13.13 | DarkCow | asulao, can you ssh in, then "ftp localhost"? |
| 23:13.25 | asulao | gonna try |
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| 23:13.46 | p3rti | phogg, i boot.. but now when i try to install a new one.. i cant! because it say broken package.. and i uninstall the last |
| 23:13.46 | phogg | eldowan: I figure that's what update-rc.d is for. Rempve the link first, the files later if appropriate |
| 23:13.57 | phogg | p3rti: what version of debian? |
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| 23:14.19 | p3rti | phogg, sid |
| 23:14.26 | Kaffien | so does anyone here use Scalix? |
| 23:14.28 | p3rti | phogg, from sarge |
| 23:14.31 | asulao | DarkCow: yes I can ftp localhost |
| 23:14.47 | DarkCow | try: ssh -L 1111:localhost:21 <remote_ip> |
| 23:14.47 | p3rti | phogg, with 2.6.9 kernel installed.. |
| 23:14.49 | karsten | !tell Kaffien about polls |
| 23:14.53 | karsten | !tell Kaffien about ask |
| 23:15.05 | eldowan | phogg: that is a good assumption, I just manually do that type of thing. |
| 23:15.08 | asulao | inside remote server? or from client? |
| 23:15.14 | DarkCow | from client |
| 23:15.15 | phogg | p3rti: if you're pulling from sid you either know how to fix broken package problems or are being naughty |
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| 23:15.27 | asulao | I'd need to add a cat - at the end right? |
| 23:15.37 | p3rti | phogg, lol.. i'm making all i cant. i will try then |
| 23:16.13 | DarkCow | asulao, um, no |
| 23:16.13 | rahul | wtf. I have no clue how to upgrade my kernel any more. where the hell do I get a working source tree? |
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| 23:16.13 | Kaffien | I need help installing scalix on debian, I cannot meet the dependancy for libpq3 |
| 23:16.23 | p3rti | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.36 | Sero | jduggan: how do I install the udeb package? |
| 23:16.56 | asulao | DarkCow: okay that logs me in |
| 23:17.23 | asulao | ssh -L 1111:localhost:21 <remote_ip> logs me into remote server |
| 23:17.23 | DarkCow | now try connecting to localhost:1111 from another terminal |
| 23:17.28 | abrotman | rahul: you get a seed .. and wait |
| 23:17.35 | rahul | !pee on abrotman |
| 23:17.35 | asulao | client side? |
| 23:17.39 | DarkCow | yeah |
| 23:17.41 | asulao | or in server? |
| 23:17.43 | asulao | ok |
| 23:17.56 | asulao | connecto to ftp at localhost:1111 |
| 23:18.11 | DarkCow | yes |
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| 23:18.47 | abrotman | ow! |
| 23:19.04 | asulao | Response:150 Here comes the directory listing. |
| 23:19.05 | asulao | Response:426 Failure writing network stream. |
| 23:19.05 | asulao | Error:Could not retrieve directory listing |
| 23:19.13 | asulao | that's waht filezilla says |
| 23:19.18 | asulao | what |
| 23:19.22 | DarkCow | :-S |
| 23:19.27 | mike-e | stop messaging me rahul i'm getting sick of this. |
| 23:19.30 | DarkCow | are there any other services that you can test on? |
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| 23:19.34 | rahul | is mike-e a bot? |
| 23:19.56 | mike-e | don't start blaming the people around you, take responsibilty for your own problems. |
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| 23:20.08 | rahul | it's a good bot if it is one. |
| 23:20.31 | rahul | in that it has slightly less intelligence than a lemur. |
| 23:21.01 | mike-e | i demand to see your green card rahul. |
| 23:21.19 | rahul | colors are considered impolite on irc. |
| 23:21.19 | Ronin | another day another bot |
| 23:21.52 | DarkCow | asulao, have you tried turning passive mode on/off on the client? |
| 23:22.00 | mike-e | rahul is the efnet liaison for GNAA |
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| 23:22.41 | asulao | DarkCow: yes, it works ok (the version I wrote with -L 1111:remoteip:remoteport), such as VMWare remote service, it works fine |
| 23:23.11 | DarkCow | okay, well, try passive mode on/off |
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| 23:23.38 | asulao | already did, going to try again just in case |
| 23:23.50 | Reiser_X | how can i configure one computer with a shared resource (hard disk) |
| 23:23.51 | asulao | is that pass/act a clientonly thing or is it server too? |
| 23:23.55 | SaintN | quick fix, can someone please send me their sources.list for etch? thanks |
| 23:24.19 | DarkCow | also, it's best to use "ssh -N -L 1111:localhost:21 remotehost". I think that's the most "clean" command |
| 23:24.27 | DarkCow | the -N tells it to not run a command |
| 23:24.42 | eldowan | Reiser_X: what type of system are you going to be connecting it to? |
| 23:24.50 | DarkCow | and localhost will always work, because the server will always get to itself with localhost |
| 23:24.54 | eldowan | Reiser_X: sorry, what OS will be utilizing the share? |
| 23:25.01 | Reiser_X | well |
| 23:25.09 | Reiser_X | ia hev 2 Debian computers |
| 23:25.13 | DarkCow | whereas if you put in its remote IP, it may be behind a NAT or something, which will stop it from working |
| 23:25.20 | twisted` | where can I set the domain name/workgroup in debian? |
| 23:25.27 | Reiser_X | in one compuetr i have an application made in PHP |
| 23:25.30 | twisted` | I've set it once but cannot remember where I did that >_> |
| 23:25.47 | DarkCow | if the passive thing doesn't work, the only other thing I can think of trying is to forward ports 20 and 21 on the server to 20 and 21 on localhost |
| 23:25.54 | eldowan | twisted`: /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 23:25.55 | Reiser_X | this app have a $VAR = routeToSharedResource |
| 23:25.59 | DarkCow | I think ftp is fussy about ports |
| 23:26.04 | DarkCow | I don't like ftp, anyway |
| 23:26.11 | DarkCow | sftp/scp is much better |
| 23:26.31 | asulao | in passive mode it says: Transfer channel can't be opened |
| 23:26.45 | Reiser_X | i want make a test so i can save the docs of application in a shared resource of another debian computer |
| 23:26.58 | stew | twisted`: its the first hostname listed in /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:27.05 | asulao | in active mode: Could not retrieve directory listing |
| 23:27.10 | eldowan | Reiser_X: if it is PHP you are trying to get working with it, there are a couple of options: 1. find out what type of shared resources php can utilize and configure your server for it, or 2 use nfs or smb or something similiar to mount a share in the acceptable path of PHP |
| 23:27.23 | DarkCow | well, sorry I couldn't help, asulao |
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| 23:27.56 | twisted` | eldowan: wasn't there |
| 23:27.56 | asulao | DarkCow: can u point me please to a simple sftp doc? |
| 23:27.59 | twisted` | stew: yep it's there |
| 23:28.07 | DarkCow | asulao, "man sftp" :P |
| 23:28.12 | asulao | or tell me how to quick test an sftp connection? filezilla does support sftp |
| 23:28.19 | DarkCow | it comes with openssh, afaik |
| 23:28.38 | DarkCow | are you on windows or linux for this? |
| 23:28.40 | asulao | but that's client sftp ? |
| 23:28.45 | eldowan | asulao: if you have kde or gnome installed, konqueror and nautilus both support the sftp://<user>@<host> protocol |
| 23:28.48 | ofer0 | what happens when you do dd if=/some/thing of=/dev/abc, and the capacity of /dev/abc > than the capacity of /some/thing ? |
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| 23:29.12 | asulao | eldowan: I'm using ssh2 with no auth, but keys pairs |
| 23:29.12 | Reiser_X | eldowan: i am using NFS, but where is exports files? |
| 23:29.13 | eldowan | ofer0: you will have space left over? |
| 23:29.18 | ofer0 | eldowan, yeah. |
| 23:29.23 | eldowan | Reiser_X: /etc/exports |
| 23:29.25 | ofer0 | eldowan, I mean |
| 23:29.25 | Reiser_X | eldowan: i can't find it in /etc |
| 23:29.38 | ofer0 | eldowan, will the space be unpartitioned ? |
| 23:29.41 | eldowan | Reiser_X: you need to install nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server |
| 23:29.49 | stew | Reiser_X: then you don't have anything exported yet |
| 23:29.58 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 23:30.02 | DarkCow | asulao, sftp runs under ssh |
| 23:30.04 | eldowan | ofer0: you are doing a raw write on a block device? |
| 23:30.09 | ofer0 | eldowan, yeah. |
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| 23:30.22 | DarkCow | if sshd is running, then you should be able to sftp to remotehost |
| 23:30.24 | eldowan | ofer0: if that is the case, then if /some/thing is a partitioned block device, it might be usable after the transfer |
| 23:30.40 | DarkCow | there's a possibility, though, that it's disabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remotehost |
| 23:30.44 | ofer0 | eldowan, alright - thank you |
| 23:30.50 | Reiser_X | what is the diference in nfs-kernel-server nfs-user-server |
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| 23:31.00 | DarkCow | but it's normally enabled, afaik |
| 23:31.04 | asulao | say I connect like ssh user@remote, will sftp user@remote behave just the same? |
| 23:31.11 | Reiser_X | kernel space and user space? |
| 23:31.16 | eldowan | Reiser_X: aptitude show <one>; aptitude show <the other>.... kernel runs in kernel space, and user is in user space. |
| 23:31.22 | loesje | how can i see in terminal kernel version??????????? |
| 23:31.25 | Sero | jduggan: THANX! used fdisk instead of cfdisk, and it worked! ;) |
| 23:31.37 | stew | loesje: "uname -r" |
| 23:31.46 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 23:31.47 | Reiser_X | i see |
| 23:31.47 | asulao | DarkCow: well it does work :) |
| 23:31.56 | DarkCow | that's good |
| 23:32.09 | asulao | I wonder if I could use filezilla browser the same way |
| 23:32.11 | Reiser_X | is not installed, i am installing using Synaptic |
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| 23:32.28 | jduggan | Sero: sorry, went afk.. yea fdisk works to :) |
| 23:32.34 | eldowan | Reiser_X: then the exports file should automagically appear and you are a configuration away from success. |
| 23:32.40 | DarkCow | if you're on linux, konqueror/nautilus handle sftp, and on windows, winscp works for it, too |
| 23:33.37 | loesje | thanx stew |
| 23:33.37 | Reiser_X | yeah |
| 23:33.37 | Reiser_X | no is there |
| 23:33.37 | eldowan | Reiser_X: the file wasn't created? |
| 23:33.37 | Reiser_X | yes |
| 23:33.37 | asulao | I'm on windoze, winscp will read cygwin .ssh files? |
| 23:33.38 | Reiser_X | to export i use? |
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| 23:33.39 | eldowan | Reiser_X: yes it is, or yes it isn't there? |
| 23:33.39 | norc | What modules do I want to unload if I want to disable ide scsi emulation? (2.6 on etch) |
| 23:33.41 | Reiser_X | i installed and now is there |
| 23:33.42 | stew | norc: ide-scsi |
| 23:33.49 | Reiser_X | now i open exports |
| 23:33.52 | eldowan | Reiser_X: look in the file, it will give an example or three |
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| 23:34.28 | peterS | norc: in fact, the debian etch kernels no longer supply the ide-scsi module _at all_. |
| 23:34.40 | stew | that's nice |
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| 23:34.53 | norc | stew: thanks |
| 23:34.57 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 23:35.01 | norc | peterS: yeah, then I guess my problem is somewhere else |
| 23:35.47 | Malf | NOOOOOOOO HOW WILL I BREAK THE CDRECORD REPLACEMENT NOW BY TRYING TO EMULATE SCSI WHEN I DON'T NEED TO ANYMORE |
| 23:35.47 | peterS | Malf: it's still possible to break it, using dev=OLDATAPI:0,0 or similar. |
| 23:35.52 | peterS | this is what xcdroast does, grrrr |
| 23:35.56 | Malf | peterS: Whew.. Thank goodness |
| 23:36.23 | Malf | I was worried I wouldn't still be able to completely confuse myself trying to do a command-line burn |
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| 23:37.20 | peterS | Malf: unfortunately we've fixed the case where you forget to specify dev= at all. we now find the nearest CD-RW drive and use that. so if you were planning to break cdrecord that way, you might have to work harder now |
| 23:37.33 | Malf | That one was a classic |
| 23:37.34 | asulao | DarkCow: thanks a lot. sftp works fine, even if it's text mode, it works for the moment. thanks :-) |
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| 23:37.57 | Reiser_X | eldowan: |
| 23:37.59 | DarkCow | asulao, no problem. are you on linux or windows? |
| 23:38.07 | Reiser_X | i want to share /home/x |
| 23:38.18 | asulao | server is linux, client is windows |
| 23:38.29 | peterS | Malf: here's what you can do, though: try to burn an image larger than 720 MB. the probe code will fail because it will look for a DVD-R drive, so if you only have a CD-R drive it will think you have nothing |
| 23:38.30 | DarkCow | how are you sftping in, then? |
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| 23:38.32 | Reiser_X | so i used mount mypc:/home/x /mnt/home |
| 23:38.33 | DarkCow | cygwin? |
| 23:38.35 | Reiser_X | is ok? |
| 23:38.37 | asulao | with cygwin |
| 23:38.39 | asulao | yes |
| 23:38.40 | DarkCow | I see |
| 23:38.49 | DarkCow | download WinSCP |
| 23:38.49 | DarkCow | it's good |
| 23:38.49 | norc | Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 327244 |
| 23:38.49 | SaintN | very good |
| 23:38.53 | Malf | petersS: Sweet! Thanks for the tip |
| 23:38.53 | norc | meh.. this is spamming my syslog. |
| 23:38.58 | asulao | ok, I will. thanks. |
| 23:39.05 | Malf | Here I was getting all nervous about having to do work |
| 23:39.11 | Malf | just to break something |
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| 23:39.17 | peterS | yeah, we try to meet your needs as best we can |
| 23:39.27 | eldowan | Reiser_X: did you get it to work? |
| 23:40.00 | Malf | and it's the perfect break for me since I've never had a DVD-R drive |
| 23:40.02 | Reiser_X | how can i share? |
| 23:40.02 | Malf | You guys are the best |
| 23:40.13 | Reiser_X | i edited the exports file |
| 23:40.22 | eldowan | Reiser_X: what is the line you added? |
| 23:40.36 | Reiser_X | mount mypc:/home/x /mnt/home |
| 23:41.55 | eldowan | Reiser_X: that is the line for the client. for the server you need to add something like this in the /etc/exports --> /home/x <name or ip of php box>(rw) |
| 23:42.07 | eldowan | Reiser_X: then run exportfs -a on the server |
| 23:42.12 | norc | http://rafb.net/p/tW8Xp519.html < can anyone help me with those messages from my syslog? |
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| 23:42.23 | norc | happens while copying files from a dvd to my harddrive.. |
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| 23:42.40 | eldowan | Reiser_X: After that, then you can use the resources from that machine from the PHP box. |
| 23:42.44 | norc | im pretty sure its somehow connected to scsi.. |
| 23:43.20 | Reiser_X | i have to install nfs-kernel-server in both computers? |
| 23:43.45 | eldowan | Reiser_X: no, only on the fileserver |
| 23:44.09 | eldowan | Reiser_X: on the php box, I'm not sure about. Do you want to mount the fileserver share on the php box? |
| 23:44.24 | eldowan | Reiser_X: or do you want php to directly use the nfs share on the fileserver? |
| 23:45.01 | Plantain | What do I need to setup for tun/tap? |
| 23:45.10 | Reiser_X | no |
| 23:45.31 | eldowan | Reiser_X: I need a better answer than no. I don't know what you are reffering to. |
| 23:45.34 | Reiser_X | PC A have the aplication, PC B will have Shared Resource |
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| 23:46.36 | eldowan | Reiser_X: nfs-kernel-server needs to be on PC B, with the modified /etc/exports. How do you want PC A to access PC B? |
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| 23:47.17 | Reiser_X | the application have a Upload File Button |
| 23:47.32 | Reiser_X | so, all files Uploaded will get there |
| 23:47.32 | Plantain | is the package tun-source all I need to setup tun/tap? |
| 23:47.35 | eldowan | Reiser_X: did you download the application, or did you write it? |
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| 23:47.44 | Reiser_X | i write the app |
| 23:47.50 | eldowan | Plantain: I haven't the slightest idea. |
| 23:48.20 | eldowan | Reiser_X: do you have PHP using the NFS from PC B, or do you have PHP writing to a local folder on the upload? |
| 23:48.59 | Reiser_X | PHP is in PC A |
| 23:49.07 | Reiser_X | i want to save files in PC B |
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| 23:50.50 | eldowan | Reiser_X: ok, but *how* do you want to go about it? do you want PHP to talk directly to PC B, or do you want to mount the nfs share to PC A, and have PHP write to the mount? |
| 23:51.18 | Plantain | What kernel does sarge use? 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 23:51.25 | eldowan | Plantain: both |
| 23:51.41 | eldowan | Plantain: if you have sarge, type uname -r to find out your current kernel |
| 23:51.45 | Reiser_X | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.56 | Plantain | 2.4 :< |
| 23:52.18 | Reiser_X | mount: RPC: No registered program |
| 23:52.20 | eldowan | Reiser_X: OK, you have reached the end of #debian support. You should read up on the resource sharing in PHP form www.php.net or try #php |
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| 23:52.40 | Reiser_X | but |
| 23:52.46 | eldowan | Reiser_X: yes? |
| 23:52.48 | seb- | is this windows installer like cygwin? |
| 23:52.56 | Reiser_X | please tell me how can i see the shared resource from console |
| 23:53.09 | Reiser_X | i making test with console first |
| 23:53.11 | eldowan | Reiser_X: run the mount command from eariler on PC A and see if it works |
| 23:53.22 | eldowan | Reiser_X: I'm glad you decided you wanted to test :D |
| 23:53.34 | Reiser_X | mount: RPC: No registered program |
| 23:54.06 | eldowan | Reiser_X: make sure you have nfs-client installed on PC A |
| 23:54.46 | eldowan | seb-: what are you talking about? |
| 23:55.09 | seb- | eldowan: wasn't there released recently a 'windows installer' for debian? |
| 23:55.11 | Reiser_X | how can install it? |
| 23:55.27 | eldowan | seb-: a graphical installer, yes. |
| 23:55.31 | seb- | eldowan: goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 23:55.46 | eldowan | Reiser_X: aptitude install nfs-client, or apt-get install nfs-client on PC A |
| 23:55.55 | seb- | eldowan: does it wipe out windows or add a new VM kinda like cygwin/VMWARE/etc? |
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| 23:56.25 | Reiser_X | is already installed |
| 23:56.26 | eldowan | seb-: it is a complete new install, you can decide to wipe windows out, or not. It depends on how *you* set it up. |
| 23:56.32 | Reiser_X | apt-get said |
| 23:56.49 | seb- | eldowan: so it will be a dual-boot system if you don't kill windows? |
| 23:56.59 | eldowan | Reiser_X: what line did you add to /etc/exports on PC B? |
| 23:57.04 | eldowan | seb-: yes. |
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| 23:57.12 | seb- | eldowan: ah i see.thanks |
| 23:57.39 | eldowan | seb-: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/GUI |
| 23:57.41 | Reiser_X | "/home 192.168.1.100 (rw)" |
| 23:57.47 | Reiser_X | without quotes |
| 23:57.55 | eldowan | Reiser_X: what is the line you are trying to use on PC A? |
| 23:58.01 | Reiser_X | yes |
| 23:58.04 | asulao | winscp is really nice. you debian guys are always so helpful. good night all. :-) |
| 23:58.24 | Reiser_X | in PC A i am using mount 192.168.1.101:/home /mnt/home |
| 23:58.38 | eldowan | Reiser_X: try running that as root. |
| 23:58.51 | Reiser_X | i am how root |
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| 23:59.08 | eldowan | Reiser_X: Rephrase please, I don't understand 'i am how root' |
| 23:59.20 | Reiser_X | i am root user |
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| 23:59.57 | eldowan | Reiser_X: and PC A is 192.168.1.101? |
