| 00:00.17 | kerneloops | mfrisch, Sorry, Luks? |
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| 00:00.56 | mfrisch | kerneloops: for encrypted partition dm-crypt uses luks to store pass keys |
| 00:01.22 | kerneloops | :O! |
| 00:01.30 | kerneloops | mfrisch, have no idea about it |
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| 00:01.48 | Stevie-O | There is a package with a newer release that doesn't have a Debian package yet. I managed to create one, based on the debian package of an older version. What would be the proper method to provide my updated diff to the maintainer? |
| 00:01.49 | kerneloops | mfrisch, you really give me a huge clue |
| 00:01.51 | jsoftw | Is there a centos/redhat like 'setup' util for debian? |
| 00:01.52 | mfrisch | kerneloops: its an option on the newer install media |
| 00:01.53 | Stevie-O | (the package in question is Xen) |
| 00:02.11 | rahul | jsoftw: dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 00:02.14 | karsten | How do I know if my exim4 mail config is split or non-split? |
| 00:02.16 | stew | jsoftw: what does the centos/redhat "setup' util do? |
| 00:02.25 | kerneloops | mfrisch, thanks a lot, I'm going to find info about luks then |
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| 00:02.33 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: file a wishlist bug against the package requesting a new version, and supply the interdiff between the versions |
| 00:03.13 | mfrisch | http://luks.endorphin.org/ |
| 00:03.35 | kerneloops | mfrisch, :))) |
| 00:03.55 | kerneloops | mfrisch, I assume you worked with this stuff before, right? |
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| 00:04.36 | jsoftw | stew: basically it provides some central config thing, where you can change network settings, enable/disable daemons, etc. |
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| 00:04.44 | Jaus1 | Hi, trying to use some script I have got this error, Can't locate WWW/Curl/Easy.pm any idea how to solve is? or how to install? I use debian sarge |
| 00:04.47 | jsoftw | What about debians service httpd start equiv ? |
| 00:04.56 | stew | jsoftw: the closest debian has is being able to run "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" |
| 00:05.14 | jsoftw | How does one normally start/stop daemons? |
| 00:05.26 | kerneloops | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.31 | mfrisch | kerneloops: I have used them I have one setup on my desktop. Get at least rc1 and do it from an install have a seperate /boot a encrypted disk and then use lvm to seperate the encrypted disk |
| 00:05.36 | kerneloops | Jaus1, seems to be a perl package |
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| 00:05.44 | kaffien | what is a good .deb search engine where i can find / dl specific package? |
| 00:05.55 | karsten | kaffien: packages.debian.org |
| 00:06.09 | rahul | karsten: aptitude |
| 00:06.10 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: I actually have the .dsc and .diff.gz files. Should I post those? |
| 00:06.19 | karsten | rahul: That too. |
| 00:06.22 | karsten | kaffien: ^^ |
| 00:06.40 | rahul | karsten: vv |
| 00:07.19 | kaffien | wierd |
| 00:07.24 | kaffien | it says 3.3.8 is in testing |
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| 00:07.29 | kerneloops | mfrisch, In fact, I'm using an usb storagekey |
| 00:07.32 | kaffien | i guess my sources are not keeping up to date |
| 00:07.41 | kaffien | is there a generic 'testing' source? |
| 00:07.45 | kerneloops | mfrisch, but you really give me a huge clue |
| 00:08.02 | kerneloops | mfrisch, now I can start searching for certain info :) |
| 00:08.23 | kerneloops | mfrisch, thanks again! |
| 00:09.06 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: you don't need the whole diff.gz, just the interdiff between the diffs is good enough |
| 00:09.12 | mfrisch | kerneloops: yes but I couldn't get a usb to work with luks because I guess usb-mass storage isn't loaded when the luks prompt comes up |
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| 00:10.27 | Rug | Is there anyway to change the default term that opens on Konq from konsole to xterm? |
| 00:10.30 | kerneloops | mfrisch, oh oh, now I get your point |
| 00:10.35 | kerneloops | abrotman, welcome back |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:10.50 | kerneloops | :) |
| 00:11.04 | abrotman | how does he know i was here before ? |
| 00:11.05 | kerneloops | abrotman, In fact, it's "welcome home" :) |
| 00:11.10 | kerneloops | lol |
| 00:11.36 | mfrisch | kerneloops: I think he's here even when he is not at home |
| 00:11.58 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: a diff of diffs! Oh, the metaness |
| 00:12.31 | kerneloops | mfrisch, yes, that's right. I meant "welcome home", 'cause he spends a lot of time here :) |
| 00:13.32 | dererk | :) |
| 00:13.35 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: so I should use interdiff to generate the diff, or what? |
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| 00:13.53 | dererk | abrotman, doing fine? |
| 00:13.59 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: yeah; interdiff -z first.diff.gz; second.diff.gz; |
| 00:14.01 | abrotman | uh ..yeah |
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| 00:14.17 | mfrisch | abrotman: cold enough? |
| 00:14.19 | dererk | great :) |
| 00:14.24 | dererk | Cold?! |
| 00:14.28 | abrotman | did i miss something ? |
| 00:14.31 | Stevie-O | original.diff.gz mine.diff.gz I take it |
| 00:14.46 | dererk | Oh, god... I'd love to be in a cold wheather right now |
| 00:14.52 | mfrisch | abrotman: its cold here and going to snow you get some of what we get |
| 00:14.59 | dererk | It's about 37ÂșC now |
| 00:15.15 | abrotman | mfrisch: i don't get what you get .. i'm not that far north |
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| 00:15.16 | Stevie-O | hrm |
| 00:15.20 | kaffien | its about errrr -15 c now |
| 00:15.33 | Stevie-O | wtf, I don't have a diff.gz for my newly built package |
| 00:15.34 | dererk | :( |
| 00:15.37 | jbjuly | Help, I have a problem with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesn't autodetect any videocard, it only use the previous choice of videocard even if I delete the xorg.conf file, anyone knows how to solve this? |
| 00:16.31 | mfrisch | abrotman: I'm in cincinnati south ohio |
| 00:16.46 | abrotman | mfrisch: i know .. i'm not north enough to get your weather |
| 00:17.26 | mfrisch | abrotman: my friend farmed in central penn for the summer I have driven through only |
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| 00:17.41 | abrotman | mfrisch: i don't live in central PA :) |
| 00:17.57 | mfrisch | abrotman: I know ;-) |
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| 00:18.22 | abrotman | mfrisch: though i lived there for quite some time .. |
| 00:19.10 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: when you mentioned 'policy' - were you referring to the debian policy manual? |
| 00:19.14 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: yes |
| 00:19.31 | lunaphyte | it is loooongg :) |
| 00:19.38 | mfrisch | abrotman: I was on the turnpike a couple of times going here and there, my friend like the area |
| 00:20.00 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: you're looking for the 'package maintenance scripts' section |
| 00:20.02 | abrotman | it's a nice area if you like country living .. harrisburg isn't a bad place |
| 00:20.05 | dererk | I miss cold wheather :( |
| 00:20.24 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:20.25 | sparr | heh, i preferred OH cold weather to PA cold weather |
| 00:20.44 | sparr | northwest OH vs central PA |
| 00:20.46 | Thug-N-Me | where the f is the line that i can specify the index file of apache ? i cannot find it in apache2.conf :( |
| 00:20.50 | sparr | PA gets more cold. OH gets more snow. |
| 00:21.01 | abrotman | i don't get much cold |
| 00:21.03 | justin | Thug-N-Me: what is at the end of your apache2.conf? |
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| 00:21.12 | mfrisch | abrotman: very different than the Big city. sparr no snow in the valley |
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| 00:21.22 | sparr | Thug-N-Me: httpd.conf |
| 00:21.27 | abrotman | !tell Braintix about away |
| 00:21.30 | Thug-N-Me | sparr no thats empty ;) |
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| 00:21.46 | Thug-N-Me | justin the include vhost config |
| 00:21.47 | sparr | Thug-N-Me: grep -ri index.html /etc |
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| 00:22.15 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: grep -R DirectoryIndex * |
| 00:22.31 | abrotman | erm .. assuming hyou're in /etc/apache2/ :) |
| 00:22.48 | abrotman | mfrisch: what is very different ? |
| 00:22.54 | Thug-N-Me | hehe its in /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf |
| 00:22.56 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. Quick question: opeoffice out of the blue decided to segfault at start, on the splash. What could have inconvenienced it? i already cleaned /tmp/ |
| 00:22.59 | Thug-N-Me | thanks all |
| 00:23.14 | Guerin | Jimmymaniac: /home full? |
| 00:23.15 | abrotman | Jimmymaniac: did you upgrade it in etch today ? |
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| 00:23.48 | Jimmymaniac | abrotman: in this pc i haven't upgraded it for a while |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:23.56 | Jimmymaniac | Guerin: no, still 1Gb free |
| 00:24.08 | Stevie-O | okay, I tried to generate the debian source .diff.gz and the result was 27MB. |
| 00:24.53 | abrotman | emacs eh ? |
| 00:24.59 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: i've managed to get the script to return exit 128, but of course, no errors printed to stdout/stderr. it's a perl script, so set -e or set -x don't apply, do they? |
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| 00:25.12 | Jimmymaniac | installed version: 2.0.1-2 <-- I know, i know, should upgrade, but i'm gonna reinstall the whole machine soon, after getting the new harddisk |
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| 00:25.32 | mfrisch | abrotman: just different lives different problems |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | mfrisch: i meant the weather! |
| 00:25.49 | abrotman | mfrisch: oh .. you mean country living :) |
| 00:25.56 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: oh; right. Best thing to do then is to run it in the debugger |
| 00:26.21 | danf_1979 | why has exim and not postfix been chosen in a default installation? |
| 00:26.35 | danf_1979 | is exim lighter? |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | danf_1979: someone picked one |
| 00:26.57 | mfrisch | abrotman: yeah country life can be good I half do it I'm out some |
| 00:27.14 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: primarily because the debconf configuration for exim was more advanced at the time a default was chosen. |
| 00:27.22 | abrotman | mfrisch: i livedin the country |
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| 00:27.37 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: you can of course install whatever MTA you want, be it postfix, exim, nullmailer, sendmail or whatever. |
| 00:27.43 | JordiGH | Is there a free tool for filling in PDF forms? |
| 00:27.48 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: pdftk |
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| 00:28.17 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Hm. That's command-line, isn't it? I was kind hoping something I could give to my girlfriend. :-/ |
| 00:28.25 | danf_1979 | Ok, so it has nothing to do with exim itself. Yes dondelelcaro, I just was wondering about Exim's capabilities for beeing chosen as default. I dont really know Exim... |
| 00:28.29 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it is, but it's fairly easy to use |
| 00:28.34 | Jimmymaniac | didn't knew about pdftk, looks useful |
| 00:28.46 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: really how is it pdf of pictures like faxes support? |
| 00:29.05 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: eh? that's not how fillable pdfs work. |
| 00:29.27 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: it's not really exim itself, it's the debconf based configuration that made it preferable at the time the default was decided. |
| 00:29.40 | dondelelcaro | err; nevermind. misread your first part there. |
| 00:29.51 | danf_1979 | :) |
| 00:29.53 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: kword can put in text in text boxes right? |
| 00:30.06 | dondelelcaro | mfrisch: possibly; I haven't used kword |
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| 00:30.30 | mfrisch | dondelelcaro: I think its only good functtion |
| 00:30.31 | jbjuly | Hello, I have a problem with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesn't autodetect any videocard, it only use the previous choice of videocard even if I delete the xorg.conf file, anyone knows how to solve this? |
| 00:30.37 | JordiGH | Ooh, I like the weasel-humping logo. :-) |
| 00:30.59 | abrotman | jbjuly: you sohuld be able to select it on your own |
| 00:31.25 | rahul | weasel humping? |
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| 00:31.44 | rahul | where is this? |
| 00:31.51 | JordiGH | !iceweasel |
| 00:31.52 | dpkg | well, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 00:32.13 | mfrisch | JordiGH: try kword |
| 00:32.23 | JordiGH | mfrisch, really? |
| 00:32.37 | Stevie-O | is there a way to apply a .rej file with patch? |
| 00:32.55 | JordiGH | Oy, Iceweasel isn't obeying the GTK fonts I specified in Kcontrol... |
| 00:32.59 | jbjuly | abrotman: the installation will be used in alot of university computers, and it's a live-cd with installer |
| 00:33.15 | abrotman | jbjuly: liveCD with installer ? |
| 00:33.19 | rahul | JordiGH: I see no weasel-humping |
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| 00:33.37 | mfrisch | JordiGH: if its a actual pdf with fill ins I think will work but when it was a fax it would just be a pdf with a picture |
| 00:33.46 | rahul | !hump JordiGH |
| 00:34.01 | jbjuly | yes, it's a custom live-cd, I installed all xorg related packages, but I can't make it autodetect any video card. |
| 00:34.08 | JordiGH | Before I apt-get anything, can we coinfirm/deny that Kword can do pdf forms? |
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| 00:34.27 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: a .rej is just a nomal diff file |
| 00:34.37 | rahul | first show me wtf this weasel humping is about |
| 00:34.49 | thelostbutler | hello folks i have installed a flash plugin version from adobe's site. i got this error when running iceweasel. LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /home/dummy/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so [/home/dummy/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: failed to map segment from shared object: Operation not permitted] would appreciate any help |
| 00:34.55 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: you can try higher fuzz if that helps |
| 00:34.56 | streuner | JordiGH: you want put text into pdfs, right? |
| 00:34.57 | mfrisch | JordiGH: its just as easy to take it off |
| 00:35.34 | JordiGH | My .mx government has a pdf form online. I want to write to it, save my changes to the form, keep modifying it later. |
| 00:36.00 | rahul | wtf |
| 00:36.05 | rahul | don't tease me |
| 00:36.10 | streuner | gimp can handle pdfs |
| 00:36.15 | Guerin | badly |
| 00:36.23 | mfrisch | streuner: really |
| 00:36.23 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yeah, pdftk is the thing to use for that |
| 00:36.27 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: I think the problem is that the original source's top-level dir isn't named the way dpkg wants |
| 00:36.31 | streuner | Guerin: heh, better ideas? |
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| 00:36.32 | Guerin | JordiGH: the only thing which does pdf forms is acrobat |
| 00:36.39 | streuner | nah |
| 00:36.39 | Guerin | streuner: printer |
| 00:36.39 | rahul | JordiGH: you arese |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | jbjuly: does -plow help ? though i doubt it |
| 00:36.42 | rahul | arse, too |
| 00:36.42 | Stevie-O | -rw-r--r-- 1 stevie stevie 26K 2007-01-31 19:36 xen-3.0_3.0.4-1.diff.gz |
| 00:36.42 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: oh, that doesn't really matter much |
| 00:36.47 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: pdftk does them. |
| 00:36.54 | Guerin | huh, since when? |
| 00:36.55 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: Well, this one looks much better. |
| 00:36.56 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro, listen, my girlfriend is smart, but I really don't want to have to make her learn how to use pdftk from the console. |
| 00:37.17 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's like three commands. You run it, you get a form, you edit with a text editor, you run it again to assemble. |
| 00:37.19 | JordiGH | Guerin: CutePDF (proprietary) can also do forms. |
| 00:37.20 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it's easy. |
| 00:37.35 | Guerin | JordiGH: on *n?x? |
| 00:37.46 | JordiGH | Guerin: I'm not sure it has a POSIX port. |
| 00:37.57 | Guerin | JordiGH: if you don't care about proprietary,. why not just use acrobat? |
| 00:38.34 | streuner | gimp is easy and opensource :-) |
| 00:38.44 | JordiGH | Guerin: I don't have access to Acrobat. My girlfriend has Acrobat *Reader* on her Windows partition. |
| 00:38.52 | streuner | you could use cups-pdf to create the pdf then. |
| 00:38.57 | Guerin | acrobat reader should do forms |
| 00:38.59 | JordiGH | Anyways, I'll have a look at Kword anyways. |
| 00:39.03 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fill pdf forms is <reply> pdftk input foo.pdf generate_fdf > foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk input foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
| 00:39.03 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 00:39.08 | rahul | JordiGH: the one where the weasel is wrapped around the globe? |
| 00:39.20 | JordiGH | Guerin: Acrobat Reader can't *save* forms. CutePDF can save forms impractically in the trial version. |
| 00:39.26 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:39.26 | JordiGH | rahul: yeah, that humping. |
| 00:39.32 | rahul | !penixstrike JordiGH |
| 00:39.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking JordiGH to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:39.34 | Guerin | see, this is why adobe is fucking evil |
| 00:39.34 | rahul | bleh, wtf |
| 00:39.39 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:39.54 | rahul | that was useless. wild weasel chase. |
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| 00:40.06 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: if it's really a serious problem, you can even generate the fdf yourself, send it to your girlfriend, have her edit it, then reasemble it. |
| 00:40.22 | dondelelcaro | (but it's not like running two console commands and using an editor is all that difficult) |
| 00:40.27 | Stevie-O | dondelelcaro: one other thing: it would seem you need to use -p1 |
| 00:40.29 | Stevie-O | with interdiff |
| 00:40.42 | dondelelcaro | Stevie-O: ah, yeah; depends on the diff. |
| 00:40.50 | sark_OSI | NO ONE IS INNOCENT |
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| 00:40.59 | Stevie-O | I was innocent until you just said that. |
| 00:41.02 | rahul | EVERYONE IS IMPOTENT |
| 00:41.17 | jbjuly | abrotman: It doesn't work |
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| 00:41.47 | abrotman | jbjuly: if hand edit the conf file . does X work ? |
| 00:42.06 | abrotman | jbjuly: why aren't you using the regular installer ? |
| 00:42.14 | jbjuly | abrotman: yes it work. |
| 00:42.36 | abrotman | holy jeez .. those xserver-xorg scripts are big |
| 00:43.18 | streuner | its prolly a nightmare, poor gravity... |
| 00:43.40 | jbjuly | abrotman: It's a college project, lots of customization. and made it into a live-cd. |
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| 00:45.59 | abrotman | jbjuly: # We're going to autodetect, so clear out the old values |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.59 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.09 | mfrisch | jbjuly: I think there are projects that help in making live cd's of debian |
| 00:46.11 | abrotman | seems to be what it's trying to to do |
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| 00:47.37 | streuner | Guerin: is everything ok? |
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| 00:49.26 | Night_oath | hey guys, I'm recommending linux to a friend and for the first distro i'm going to help them install debian. On the debian cd image page (for downloading the install cd), there are lots of instances of debian, mainly binary1-15, I dont need all of these do I? and whats the difference between tehm |
| 00:49.29 | JdGordon | can anyone help me get speedstep working on my ibm thinkpad? im using debian etch and modprobe cpufreq-userspace isnt doing anything |
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| 00:50.02 | dvs | Night_oath: the most popular packages are on the first CDs. |
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| 00:52.08 | streuner | JdGordon: /msg dpkg laptop(s) |
| 00:52.57 | streuner | JdGordon: there are usually a lot of trics about laptops, if you cannot find something just subsribe to a ML and ask, plenty of debian users use 'thinkpads' |
| 00:53.06 | JdGordon | great.... im already at thinkwiki and not getting anytwhere |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | Night_oath: does your friend have broadband? |
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| 00:55.12 | streuner | JdGordon: what kind of model do you have? |
| 00:55.27 | JdGordon | r40 |
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| 00:56.04 | JdGordon | i had it working yesterday, but now its stuck at 1300mhz (instead of 600mhz) even tho its at 2% usage |
| 00:56.50 | Night_oath | sorry i appear to have d/c at some point, did my previous message got through or not? ( i dont want to flood ) |
| 00:57.09 | litage_ | i remember seeing a file that apt or dpkg wrote to with timestamps of when each package was installed. which file is that? |
| 00:57.12 | JdGordon | # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor cat: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory |
| 00:57.13 | JdGordon | # lsmod | grep cpufreq |
| 00:57.13 | JdGordon | cpufreq_ondemand 6636 0 |
| 00:57.39 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Sorry for being such a n00b, but last time I tried using pdftk myself, I ran into troubles. If I have the pdf form, what do I need to do in order to create something I can edit, and then how do I merge this back? |
| 00:57.50 | dvs | Night_oath: about what's on which CD? |
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| 00:57.56 | dondelelcaro | !fill in pdf forms |
| 00:57.59 | streuner | JdGordon: http://www.geocities.com/tivarsson/linux.html |
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| 00:58.08 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fill pdf forms |
| 00:58.09 | dpkg | pdftk input foo.pdf generate_fdf > foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk input foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
| 00:58.13 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: ^^ |
| 00:58.16 | Night_oath | dvs: Yeah, i dont need all the cds do I? |
| 00:58.21 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fill in pdf forms is <reply> see fill pdf forms |
| 00:58.21 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 00:58.24 | dvs | Night_oath: no, |
| 00:58.36 | dvs | Night_oath: if you have a fast internet connection, I'd recommend the netinst CD |
| 00:58.48 | Caelum | can a 32bit app link to a 64bit lib? |
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| 00:59.20 | jbjuly | abrotman: I would like to reset the xserver-xorg values using debconf, how can I do that? |
| 00:59.24 | JordiGH | Thanks, dondelelcaro. |
| 00:59.28 | mfrisch | Caelum: no |
| 00:59.37 | dvs | what happened to security.debian.org? |
| 00:59.41 | streuner | JdGordon: or alternative, modprobe <module> and apt-cache search speedstep |
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| 01:00.16 | Night_oath | dvs: Its not for me... im doing it tomorrow on a friends laptop... On http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/bt-cd/ it lists debian binarys 1-15. Is there any difference between them? |
| 01:00.18 | JdGordon | streuner: ive done all that the geocities page said and nothing |
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| 01:00.39 | streuner | JdGordon: did you try the second methode? |
| 01:00.40 | dvs | Night_oath: the most popular programs are on the earlier CDs |
| 01:00.49 | JdGordon | ... doing |
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| 01:01.00 | streuner | JdGordon: that only works, if your CPU supports this... |
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| 01:01.13 | Night_oath | dvs: Is there anywhere where it explains whats on each? |
| 01:01.17 | JdGordon | it does. |
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| 01:01.35 | streuner | ok, just try the second suggestion then |
| 01:01.38 | dvs | Night_oath: yes, but I forgot where it is. |
| 01:01.42 | Caelum | mfrisch: that's what I thought |
| 01:01.42 | Nwallins | why does apt want to install packages after: `apt-get remove apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils` really, I just want to remove packages right now |
| 01:01.59 | Nwallins | apt responds: The following extra packages will be installed: debhelper libdb4.4 libreadline5 libruby1.8 libslang2 libssl0.9.8 python python-central python-minimal python-support python2.4 python2.4-minimal |
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| 01:02.07 | Nwallins | wtf? |
| 01:02.13 | snowbird | i cant get flash to isntall |
| 01:02.21 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: run apt-get -f install; and you'll see those packages being installed, most likely. |
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| 01:02.38 | JdGordon | streuner: ive got both cpufreq_userspae and _ondemand modprobed, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq still doesnt exist |
| 01:02.49 | Night_oath | dvs: Ok thanks anyway, lastly just out of interest, your saying that i could install with just binary-7 but it would have different programs? |
| 01:03.00 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: no nontrivial output from `apt-get -f install` |
| 01:03.02 | dvs | Night_oath: i said netinst CD |
| 01:03.28 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: hrm; well, you can trather easily stop them from being installed by asking for them to be removed. |
| 01:03.41 | Nwallins | interesting.. |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | jbjuly: -plow should do that AFAIK |
| 01:04.21 | Nwallins | dondelelcaro: added 'python' to the remove list and it helped... thx |
| 01:04.29 | dondelelcaro | Nwallins: as to why they're being installed, most likely something depends on them. |
| 01:04.35 | JdGordon | streuner: AH! sppedstep_centrino wasnt loaded |
| 01:04.36 | JdGordon | thanks |
| 01:06.07 | JordiGH | Argh, I hate my government. Its webpage is flash-based, with .asp, and the forms there are self-extracting .exes that contain pdfs that I cannot edit with free software. |
| 01:06.25 | JordiGH | This website just fucked my Debian system in the ass four different ways. |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | stop running X as root |
| 01:06.59 | JordiGH | Can I extract a self-extracting exe with Debian? |
| 01:07.07 | dendrite | JordiGH: try unzip on it. |
| 01:07.08 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: unzip often works on them |
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| 01:07.11 | mfrisch | JordiGH: use adobe unless its 64bit for flash and pdf |
| 01:07.21 | De_Mon | dpkg --set-selections \* is listing a lot of packages as purged |
| 01:07.21 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, De_Mon |
| 01:07.42 | De_Mon | how can I remove them from dpkgs list |
| 01:08.20 | JordiGH | Ok, three different ways. But I do wonder if I could convince anyone in government that making a flash-based website is educated evil and stupid. |
| 01:08.22 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: there's no need to bother with that |
| 01:08.29 | JordiGH | (http://www.timecube.com) |
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| 01:09.16 | dendrite | JordiGH: What government? |
| 01:09.24 | De_Mon | Im trying to compare lists, guess I'll just grep them out instead |
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| 01:09.38 | De_Mon | actually, all I want is installed... |
| 01:09.47 | dondelelcaro | !installed |
| 01:09.48 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 01:09.51 | trombo_ | hello, I used iptraf for checking who was file-sharing in the lan, great, but now I need something non-interaktive for a skript? Do you know such a tool? |
| 01:10.17 | JordiGH | dendrie: .mx. Microsoft sure has us by the short and curlies around here. |
| 01:10.28 | dendrite | JordiGH: Ugh. |
| 01:10.34 | dvs | mem |
| 01:10.40 | fantomas | Hi. I have problem with mounting CD. It is bootable CD with HDD testing tool called MHDD ( www.hddguru.com ) which is made from Windows98 floppy I guess. When I mount it, I see the only file in the root called readme.txt saying its need to be booted. What do I need is to get all file from this CD. |
| 01:11.06 | snowbird | did you get adobe flash to work i failed |
| 01:11.41 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: the easy way in the US is to nail them with the accessibility argument; I don't know what the requirements are in MX for that |
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| 01:12.14 | streuner | snowbird: sure |
| 01:12.25 | JordiGH | I don't think we know what "accessibility" means. |
| 01:12.36 | Nwallins | apt keeps complaining that /bin/sh: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: No such file or directory what to do? |
| 01:12.40 | snowbird | i cant on my box streuner how u do it?\ |
| 01:12.48 | fantomas | In other words is there a special methodics of mounting bootable CDs? |
| 01:12.54 | streuner | Nwallins: apt-get install apt-listchanges? |
| 01:13.01 | Nwallins | streuner: worth a shot :) |
| 01:13.02 | mfrisch | snowbird: install the package worky worky |
| 01:13.22 | snowbird | not like that for me apt get what package |
| 01:13.25 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: it's the same as mounting any other cd |
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| 01:13.44 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: however, it's quite easy for someone to create a cd which does not have a normal filesystem on it |
| 01:14.12 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: not normal but still iso9660? |
| 01:14.25 | lncast | i sometimes burn avi's directly to cd, then use mplayer /dev/cdrom :> |
| 01:14.27 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: doesn't even have to be iso9660 |
| 01:14.46 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: but in any event, since it's just a hard drive tester, it's most likely just a single floppy image on the disk. |
| 01:15.15 | JordiGH | lncast: How do you burn, with dd? |
| 01:15.18 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: then why could I see a single file but none of the others? Just wondering |
| 01:15.41 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: because there is a single filesystem which just has one file. |
| 01:15.45 | lncast | JordiGH: just with cdrecord, |
| 01:15.49 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, do you happen to know whether i can scale text together with the graphic in pgf? |
| 01:16.08 | JordiGH | tuvwx: are you talking about LaTeX? |
| 01:16.18 | tuvwx | JordiGH, yes |
| 01:16.35 | dvs | fantomas: ya burned it wrong! |
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| 01:17.03 | Nwallins | streuner: didn't work. still have: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/apt-listchanges: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.03 | Victor_1 | HI ALL...THIS IS THE EXOTICS FORUM :::::::::::::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com |
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| 01:17.27 | mfrisch | you gotta be kiding |
| 01:17.32 | fantomas | dondelelcaro, dvs: But I booted from it several times with this cd drive |
| 01:17.32 | dvs | nope |
| 01:17.33 | JordiGH | Why does pdftk need libgcj7-0? |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | how many is that today? |
| 01:17.47 | tuvwx | JordiGH, i discovered pgf yesterday (hint by dondelelcaro) and just loved it |
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| 01:17.49 | dvs | damn Vista! |
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| 01:18.04 | abrotman | JordiGH: does it matter? either use it or don't |
| 01:18.11 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: again, the bootloader doesn't have to be on the filesystem. |
| 01:18.23 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: oh |
| 01:18.36 | mfrisch | abrotman: I have never seen that adds yes plugging yes |
| 01:18.44 | Nwallins | streuner: nevermind, fixed. |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | mfrisch: happens |
| 01:19.33 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: I see now I'm not experienced user of CDROM's :) |
| 01:19.36 | mfrisch | abrotman: people have cybersex with irc |
| 01:19.47 | JordiGH | abrotman: Because I'd love to file a bug against it :-) |
| 01:19.47 | abrotman | maybe |
| 01:19.57 | abrotman | JordiGH: because it uses gcj ? |
| 01:20.03 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: if bootleader is not on the filesystem then... where could it be? |
| 01:20.19 | JordiGH | tuvwx: pgf is nice. Much nicer than graphicx. |
| 01:20.41 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: somewhere on the cd that eltorito specifies |
| 01:20.42 | Miesco | Whats a good desktop invironment? |
| 01:20.47 | Stevie-O | I like KDE |
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| 01:20.58 | abrotman | Miesco: xwinman.org .. pick one |
| 01:20.59 | tuvwx | JordiGH, well i used to use xfig, and still am until i figure out the text scaling in pgf |
| 01:21.01 | Stevie-O | KDE is excellent if you're accustomed to Windows |
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| 01:21.14 | JordiGH | Stevie-O: Huh? |
| 01:21.25 | snowbird | my flash i broken cause of x org not x86 |
| 01:21.28 | Miesco | Something FAST lightweight, and has a desktop enviornment |
| 01:21.29 | snowbird | ahh |
| 01:21.32 | JordiGH | Stevie-O: I like pizza myself. |
| 01:21.37 | Stevie-O | mmm pizza |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | Stevie-O: go to Vito's! |
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| 01:22.01 | JdGordon | hmm... how do i get ndswrapper to load automatically when i plug my pcmcia wlan card in? |
| 01:22.10 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: are there tools which explore such images? Is it possible to "disasseble" this CD, make changes and asseble it back? |
| 01:22.12 | Stevie-O | abrotman: actually I was gonna hit Taco Hell |
| 01:22.14 | Miesco | I cant go to xwinman.org cause I need to get a windows manager loaded before I start going to web pages |
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| 01:22.19 | mattfury | anyone got any quick ftp mirrors to the latest version of debian? |
| 01:22.19 | abrotman | Stevie-O: ewww! |
| 01:22.24 | Stevie-O | Miesco: lynx |
| 01:22.26 | mattfury | (stable) version |
| 01:22.32 | Stevie-O | mattfury: ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:22.39 | mattfury | au servers? |
| 01:22.40 | fantomas | !eltorito |
| 01:22.43 | abrotman | Stevie-O: i don't know how excited you are about driving .. i ate at Tortugas in Collegeville over the weekend .. it was pretty damn good |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 01:22.51 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 01:22.58 | dondelelcaro | fantomas: dd or hexdump will do it; but it's clearly a proprietary application. Ask them for the information to make the cd. |
| 01:23.00 | Miesco | Whats a desktop environment that is more lightweight then gnome? |
| 01:23.01 | mattfury | abrotman, thanks :) |
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| 01:23.13 | tuvwx | JordiGH, xfig scales the text so that it appears as it does while drawing in xfig, although it is rendered by latex |
| 01:23.15 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: not having one at all. Try ion or openbox or xfce |
| 01:23.16 | dvs | Miesco: anything? |
| 01:23.25 | abrotman | Miesco: xwinman.org .. there are dozens you can try |
| 01:23.44 | Miesco | I know let me load one so I can go to the website and look at screenshots |
| 01:23.51 | tuvwx | JordiGH, pgf leaves the text completely to latex, so it might not fit well if the graphic is scaled |
| 01:24.08 | Stevie-O | The number of X window managers available is exceeded only by the number of Linux distributions |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | i'm not sure about that |
| 01:24.21 | Stevie-O | http://bbspot.com/News/2000/4/linux_distros.html |
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| 01:24.51 | mattfury | whats latest debian? etch? |
| 01:25.00 | Stevie-O | the 'latest' is always sid. |
| 01:25.01 | streuner | mattfury: why? |
| 01:25.03 | dvs | mattfury: sarge, officially |
| 01:25.17 | fantomas | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks. |
| 01:25.18 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: the font scaling happens with the same commands that you use to scale fonts in latex |
| 01:25.32 | dendrite | mattfury: Sarge is stable, best for servers. Etch is up and coming, and probably best for non-mission-critical desktop type systems. |
| 01:25.39 | Miesco | Okay im downloading fluxbox xfce4, and openbox |
| 01:25.41 | streuner | mattfury: don't use sid/unstable if you haven't any experience... |
| 01:25.42 | dendrite | mattfury: Forget you ever heard about Sid. |
| 01:25.44 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, is that all? that's pretty manual |
| 01:25.45 | Azar | yeee!!! Reporting Debian bugs without a working MTA http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/490 << which is my case too |
| 01:25.56 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: there may be some more advanced ways to specifically scale it and/or scale the text overall, but I've never even looked for them |
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| 01:26.07 | Somethingelse | hi everyone |
| 01:26.10 | streuner | Azar: there is always smarthost |
| 01:26.17 | mattfury | well, i've used sid before, but not etch |
| 01:26.24 | Azar | streuner: huh? how goes smarthost? |
| 01:26.24 | dvs | Somethingelse: is that you? ;-) |
| 01:26.31 | mattfury | etch has any ati support for x? |
| 01:26.32 | lepine_h | which repository do i have to add in order to have access to mysql5 ? |
| 01:26.33 | mattfury | :P |
| 01:26.42 | streuner | Azar: you tell your MTA to use the one of your ISP |
| 01:26.47 | abrotman | mattfury: yes |
| 01:26.51 | abrotman | lepine_h: which version of debian ? |
| 01:26.53 | Somethingelse | dvs: yes, it's me. who are you? |
| 01:26.54 | lepine_h | 3.1 |
| 01:27.06 | abrotman | !tell lepine_h about bpo |
| 01:27.09 | mattfury | abrotman, are you talking about 3d render support or 2d? |
| 01:27.09 | Azar | streuner: even though I do not have the MTA port available? |
| 01:27.14 | dvs | Somethingelse: me! |
| 01:27.16 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: it looks like the scale node commands affect the text, though. |
| 01:27.19 | Miesco | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure exim4, choose smarthost |
| 01:27.22 | abrotman | mattfury: both |
| 01:27.34 | Azar | ok guys, thanks Miesco, streuner |
| 01:27.37 | abrotman | mattfury: which card do you yhave ? |
| 01:27.40 | lepine_h | thanks abrotman |
| 01:27.46 | mattfury | 9250 |
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| 01:27.47 | mattfury | SE |
| 01:27.51 | Somethingelse | dvs: who exactly? |
| 01:27.58 | streuner | !smarthost |
| 01:27.58 | dpkg | methinks smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 01:27.59 | abrotman | mattfury: you'll be fine |
| 01:28.00 | Somethingelse | wtf, is everyone from frostzone here or somethin? |
| 01:28.03 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: see 11.5 on page 96 of the pgf manual |
| 01:28.04 | mattfury | (i know i need a upgrade!) |
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| 01:29.23 | mattfury | so far in this ftp i've gone: /disks/10/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/ |
| 01:29.29 | mattfury | where do i find the iso's? |
| 01:29.49 | Azar | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 returns nothing |
| 01:29.58 | Guerin | mattfury: cdimage.debian.org |
| 01:30.05 | abrotman | !d-i mattfury |
| 01:30.06 | dpkg | mattfury, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:30.06 | streuner | Azar: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:30.20 | Guerin | Azar: exim4-config |
| 01:30.26 | Somethingelse | guys, my friend has this lil problem with sound...it doesn't work. he's using 64bit version of debian. is there a problem with 64bit libraries? |
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| 01:30.36 | Somethingelse | anyone had this issue before? |
| 01:30.38 | streuner | Guerin: yes, Guerin is right... |
| 01:30.43 | Azar | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:30.45 | streuner | Azar: yes, Guerin is right... |
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| 01:30.49 | streuner | oh |
| 01:30.53 | Azar | !beer Guerin |
| 01:31.03 | streuner | Azar: in this case dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 01:31.04 | mfrisch | Somethingelse: use a new iso |
| 01:31.11 | Caelum | what could cause ctrl+c to show a ^C instead of breaking out of a program? |
| 01:31.17 | Somethingelse | you mean re-install? |
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| 01:31.23 | Nwallins | dpkg is reporting all kinds of grave bugs, such as "#406137 - ssh: upgrade causes etch dpkg to segv" should I just wait a couple days and try to upgrade then? |
| 01:31.23 | Guerin | streuner: don't reinstall |
| 01:31.30 | Azar | Guerin: bash: exim4-config: command not foun |
| 01:31.31 | Guerin | mfrisch: that's the stupidest advice ever |
| 01:31.41 | Guerin | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 01:31.53 | dendrite | Caelum: If the program doesn't catch SIGBRK... |
| 01:31.54 | streuner | Azar: postfix is easier |
| 01:31.58 | asulao | hello. sshd listens on 2 different computers, 1 NATed by the other. both ssh listen on 22. however PC 1 forwards requests on port 23 to PC 2 port 22. problem is client ssh gets confused because .ssh/known_hosts stores same host IP. can I specify host:port in known_hosts? or is there other way to make this config work? |
| 01:31.59 | Guerin | Somethingelse: /msg dpkg sound |
| 01:32.09 | Azar | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: exim is broken or not fully installed |
| 01:32.10 | mfrisch | Guerin: amd-64 has changed alot over the last year |
| 01:32.17 | Guerin | !alot |
| 01:32.18 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 01:32.20 | Caelum | dendrite: this is for all programs though, I think it's something with my stty settings |
| 01:32.23 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, there is no 11.5 on page 96 on the version i have (from testing). what's the section title? |
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| 01:32.29 | streuner | Azar: apt-get install postfix ;-) |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | streuner: don't do that |
| 01:32.49 | mattfury | i wish i was bender.. |
| 01:32.52 | mattfury | :( |
| 01:33.05 | dendrite | Caelum: Ah, that's also possible. I guess CTRL+C got unmapped ?? |
| 01:33.05 | dvs | mattfury: Futurama? |
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| 01:33.12 | Azar | streuner: awwwww :( useless I asked my ISP to cut my mail port |
| 01:33.13 | streuner | abrotman: trust me ;-) |
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| 01:33.22 | streuner | heh |
| 01:33.36 | abrotman | streuner: uhm .. no |
| 01:33.38 | Azar | postfix or anything else mta related will never work, port is cut |
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| 01:33.55 | abrotman | Azar: use exim's smarthost to send through their smtp server |
| 01:34.01 | Miesco | Okay I got openbox running I can use the browser now |
| 01:34.02 | mattfury | dvs, what kind of quote would thyth be if it'th not! |
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| 01:34.24 | Somethingelse | anyone have any problems with improper links to libraries in 64bit debian? |
| 01:34.25 | Azar | abrotman: sorry for being an ass.... where can I find smarthost? |
| 01:34.35 | Somethingelse | because i know that was a big issue with 64bit suse... |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | !drec Azar |
| 01:34.35 | dpkg | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
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| 01:34.45 | dvs | mattfury: kiss my shiny metal... ;-) |
| 01:34.49 | Azar | ok honorables |
| 01:35.01 | Nwallins | is it just me or are there a ton of grave bugs on etch? I haven't upgraded in a while, and thought today would be a good day to do so. what is the best thing to do now? sit tight and attempt an upgrade tomorrow/next week/next year? |
| 01:35.09 | amphi | Miesco: openbox is quite comfortable, I find |
| 01:35.11 | streuner | Azar: where smarthost = SMTP server of your ISP |
| 01:35.13 | Azar | !beer dpkg |
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| 01:36.05 | Miesco | amphi: What desktop manager do you use? |
| 01:36.10 | Azar | mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail? |
| 01:36.13 | amphi | Miesco: huh? |
| 01:36.18 | mattfury | what i dont understand is how linux os's get such good mirrors :| |
| 01:36.29 | Azar | hmm rather "no local mail" |
| 01:36.29 | Miesco | amphi: What desktop invironment do you use? |
| 01:36.41 | mattfury | kde= sux0rz, gnome = r0x0rz |
| 01:36.43 | amphi | Miesco: I don't; just openbox |
| 01:36.49 | lepine_h | abrotman: , apt-get is complaining about failed dependancies, i traced it back to mysql-common ( req 5.-0+ ) ... but apt-cache search mysql-common does not offer such a version |
| 01:36.57 | lepine_h | is that yet another repository? |
| 01:37.01 | danf_1979 | I need to repartition my disk (remotely) in a dedicated server. The server has one large / partition and swap. I need to generate /tmp /var /usr and /home, is this possible? May I just resize / and then create the other partitions? I ask because / partition will be in use at that time. What should I do ? |
| 01:37.02 | Miesco | amphi: openbox is not a desktop invironment? |
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| 01:37.11 | amphi | Miesco: no, just a window manager |
| 01:37.13 | streuner | Azar: you can run that command (drec) whenever you want... |
| 01:37.17 | lncast | mattfury: whats the linux os? |
| 01:37.30 | Miesco | amphi: Okay, where do windows go when you minimize them? |
| 01:37.31 | mattfury | debian :p |
| 01:37.42 | mattfury | im getting 180kb/s pretty good |
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| 01:37.47 | abrotman | lepine_h: did you follow the instructions at backports.org ? about pinning ? |
| 01:37.53 | Caelum | hooray for stty sane |
| 01:37.54 | kupesoft | I'm setting up a debian ip-masquerading router with three network interfaces, two attached to hubs with many computers connected, and one with the broadband connection attached. How should I set this up at the network level. Should I bridge the two devices acting as the clients and interface them as one to iptables? |
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| 01:37.55 | amphi | Miesco: they vanish - I rarely do that |
| 01:38.08 | streuner | Miesco: usually into panel, if you don't have one, apt-get install pypanel |
| 01:38.59 | asulao | hello. sshd listens on 2 different computers, 1 NATed by the other. both ssh listen on 22. however PC 1 forwards requests on port 23 to PC 2 port 22. problem is client ssh gets confused because .ssh/known_hosts stores same host IP. can't just replate remoteip with remoteip:remoteport in known_hosts file. is there other way to make this config work? |
| 01:38.59 | Miesco | streuner: Okay |
| 01:39.38 | amphi | Miesco: or live without one; a panel is quite redundant IMHO |
| 01:39.50 | lepine_h | abrotman: whoops, no i havent ... |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | lepine_h: now would be a good time :) |
| 01:40.08 | Miesco | amphi: But how would I live with out one... virtual desktops? |
| 01:40.23 | Miesco | amphi: How do I switch virtual desktops in openbox |
| 01:40.29 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, ok.. got it |
| 01:40.33 | mattfury | am i able to watch porn on debian etch? |
| 01:40.39 | dvs | o_O |
| 01:40.45 | amphi | Miesco: use whatever keybinding you like - I forget what the default is |
| 01:40.48 | Nwallins | is it just me or are there a ton of grave bugs in etch right now? |
| 01:41.00 | Miesco | amphi: How do I find them out? |
| 01:41.03 | mattfury | because, for most people porn would be the only thing they use their computers for :p |
| 01:41.13 | Guerin | mattfury: you have my permission, but you might want to ask your mum. |
| 01:41.24 | mattfury | su |
| 01:41.29 | Guerin | mattfury: i think that's only true of *losers* |
| 01:41.29 | mattfury | ****** |
| 01:41.33 | amphi | Miesco: do you have more than one? |
| 01:42.13 | mfrisch | Guerin: we're all losers sometime |
| 01:42.19 | Guerin | mfrisch: are we? |
| 01:42.23 | Miesco | amphi: More then one what? |
| 01:42.33 | dvs | mfrisch: Blasphemy! |
| 01:42.52 | amphi | Miesco: workspace |
| 01:43.08 | Miesco | amphi: I guess 4 |
| 01:43.17 | Miesco | amphi: Yea 4 |
| 01:43.23 | De_Mon | do I have to install a smp kernel to see multiple processors in a system? |
| 01:43.23 | Miesco | amphi: How do I execute a command? |
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| 01:43.38 | amphi | Miesco: try alt-ctrl-fn, alt-fn |
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| 01:44.05 | Miesco | amphi: fn, dont have that |
| 01:44.17 | amphi | Miesco: you get an application menu if you right-click on the root window; I have a keybinding for grun, which I find works quite well |
| 01:44.36 | amphi | Miesco: 'fn' means F1, F2, F3, ... |
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| 01:47.43 | JordiGH | Hm, this is odd... My fonts in IceWeasel are tiny in the rendering window but large in the menus and dialogues.... |
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| 01:48.07 | JordiGH | I know the large menus has something to do with gtk-qt-engine |
| 01:48.15 | JordiGH | But why would the render window become smaller? |
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| 01:48.35 | abrotman | because the web developer wanted it that way |
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| 01:49.53 | JordiGH | Google wants tiny fonts? |
| 01:50.20 | Guerin | JordiGH: dpi settings |
| 01:50.21 | bbelt16a1 | hey peeps i got this list of servers.. |
| 01:50.26 | JdGordon | is OO.org broken or does it just not want to play nice with xfce4? the window borders are not drawn correctly |
| 01:50.31 | bbelt16a1 | one server host name per line.. |
| 01:50.36 | bbelt16a1 | like 140 of them |
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| 01:50.46 | bbelt16a1 | and i want to take that list and pipe it to netselect.. |
| 01:50.50 | bbelt16a1 | one problem.. |
| 01:51.08 | mattfury | Guerin, when you dont have a girlfriend porn=great, i'd agree if you had a girlfriend tho.. |
| 01:51.16 | bbelt16a1 | it doesnt do them all at once like netselect server.com server.net |
| 01:51.33 | Guerin | !wayttd bbelt16a1 |
| 01:51.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, bbelt16a1? |
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| 01:51.35 | bbelt16a1 | its like netselect server.com /newline netselect server.net |
| 01:51.44 | bbelt16a1 | i am trying to explian to you what i am doing |
| 01:51.45 | Guerin | mattfury: how do girlfriends become relevant to thins? |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | bbelt16a1: try it on ONE line |
| 01:51.54 | Guerin | bbelt16a1: no, what's your ultimate objective |
| 01:52.09 | bbelt16a1 | to get it to likke like the first example |
| 01:52.24 | bbelt16a1 | i got 140 server i am not typing them all out . |
| 01:52.24 | Azar | I finally found out the real definition for "aptitude" command: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 01:52.25 | bbelt16a1 | or going through and deleting /n |
| 01:52.30 | Guerin | bbelt16a1: no, why are you trying these 140 servers? |
| 01:52.40 | bbelt16a1 | i want to see which one is the best |
| 01:52.42 | bbelt16a1 | ... |
| 01:52.45 | Guerin | bbelt16a1: use apt-spy |
| 01:52.53 | bbelt16a1 | apt-spy? |
| 01:52.56 | Miesco_ | amphi: alt+F2 wont work |
| 01:52.56 | Miesco_ | streuner: How do I load pypanel? |
| 01:53.20 | JordiGH | !tell bbelt16a1 about apt-spy |
| 01:53.54 | Guerin | bbelt16a1: or tr '\n' ' ' < oldlist > newlist |
| 01:54.03 | bbelt16a1 | well. that works for the repos but what if theese are 150 everquest servers i wannated to test? |
| 01:54.07 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 01:54.11 | Guerin | (presuming only \n line terminators |
| 01:54.14 | Guerin | ) |
| 01:54.20 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
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| 01:54.24 | bbelt16a1 | hmmm |
| 01:54.28 | Miesco_ | amphi: Where are the openbox config files? |
| 01:54.30 | bbelt16a1 | whats tr app? |
| 01:54.36 | Guerin | bbelt16a1: then you're lame and need to be pointed at and laughed at |
| 01:54.37 | abrotman | bbelt16a1: man tr |
| 01:54.39 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 01:54.46 | bbelt16a1 | hey! |
| 01:54.48 | amphi | Miesco_: so make/edit the config file and set the keybindings you like; ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml |
| 01:54.50 | bbelt16a1 | thats not nice! |
| 01:54.50 | Guerin | writing a script to test eejitquest servers, wtf. |
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| 01:54.56 | Azar | Miesco: ObConf on the menu |
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| 01:55.51 | Guerin | bbelt16a1: you can go and join mattfury in the loser's corner any time now |
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| 01:56.30 | mattfury | am not! :p |
| 01:56.53 | amphi | Azar: you can't set keybindings in obconf |
| 01:56.54 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: The fill pdf form factoid has the wrong syntax. :-( |
| 01:57.05 | Azar | amphi: ah keybindings.. |
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| 01:57.20 | Miesco_ | amphi: How many xterms can you fit on your screen in openbox? |
| 01:57.41 | Azar | amphi: I only have one issue with openbox: everytime I install a new package or I remove a package openbox does not automatically update |
| 01:57.46 | amphi | Miesco_: I tend to run mrxvt fullscreen |
| 01:58.01 | amphi | Miesco_: this is a 1024x768 laptop panel |
| 01:58.17 | amphi | Azar: update what? the menu? |
| 01:58.23 | Azar | amphi: yep the menu |
| 01:58.31 | abrotman | JordiGH: so offer a fix |
| 01:58.36 | amphi | Azar: I never use the menu |
| 01:58.42 | JordiGH | abrotman: Reading the man page now... |
| 01:58.58 | Azar | amphi: I do not have anything else on by plain X and openbox |
| 01:59.23 | amphi | Azar: I have a keybinding to spawn grun |
| 01:59.35 | Azar | no menu: no access to packages via X |
| 01:59.36 | amphi | Azar: I find it more convenient |
| 01:59.52 | amphi | Azar: huh? |
| 02:00.01 | Azar | amphi: unfortunately I do not know anything about keybinding |
| 02:00.32 | amphi | Azar: it's in the docs |
| 02:00.43 | bbelt16a1 | tyrm |
| 02:01.00 | amphi | Azar: /usr/share/doc/openbox has the info IIRC; otherwise the internets |
| 02:01.01 | Miesco_ | How do I load pypanel?? |
| 02:01.08 | bbelt16a1 | i got it working ty gurian i just didnt know about the tr command or i would of had it tried to do it with sed |
| 02:01.54 | danf_1979 | I need to repartition my disk (remotely) in a dedicated server. The server has one large / partition and swap. I need to generate /tmp /var /usr and /home, is this possible? May I just resize / and then create the other partitions? I ask because / partition will be in use at that time. What should I do ? No one has done this???? |
| 02:01.59 | Azar | amphi: I use startx only.. are you sure I can find something on the docs? |
| 02:02.02 | JordiGH | wtf... the fdf generated by pdftk doesn't look like anything I can edit with a text editor. Looks like it contains binary data! |
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| 02:02.17 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: You lied. You said this would be easy. :-) |
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| 02:02.53 | PupUserfaa491 | DONDELELCARO IS EASY IN THE BEDROOM |
| 02:03.03 | amphi | Azar: /usr/share/doc/openbox/details.html |
| 02:03.05 | marvil07 | hi, anyone knows a url where to process my lspci output? |
| 02:03.14 | Azar | amphi: ah I was reading the docs on their website.. ok going to look |
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| 02:03.35 | Azar | hahaha wow dondelecaro got publicity |
| 02:03.39 | Miesco | I closed the panel in gnome and now gnome wont load, how do I run gnome? |
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| 02:04.02 | PupUserfaa491 | AZAR I HERE U HAVE A BIG DICK |
| 02:04.11 | Azar | way thank you honorable |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | HEAR |
| 02:04.18 | amphi | !penixstrike PupUserfaa491 |
| 02:04.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking PupUserfaa491 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:04.22 | rahul | heh |
| 02:04.32 | rahul | I'm flattered |
| 02:04.56 | PupUserfaa491 | AZAR DO U WANT TO GET NAKED ON WEBCAM WIOTH ME |
| 02:05.09 | abrotman | !ops PupUserfaa491 |
| 02:05.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: PupUserfaa491 |
| 02:05.13 | Azar | ;) |
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| 02:05.20 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:05.26 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@d205-250-245-108.bchsia.telus.net] by mentor |
| 02:05.28 | *** kick/#debian [PupUserfaa491!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | mentor: thank you |
| 02:05.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 02:05.38 | Azar | thanks mentor |
| 02:05.49 | abrotman | golly .. guy joined with tard .. and left with tard .. i wonder ... |
| 02:05.49 | amphi | rahul: 'penixstrike' is yours? |
| 02:05.50 | mentor | abrotman: I have been told I was out of line the other day. You have my apologies. |
| 02:06.08 | abrotman | mentor: oh no .. it was all my fault |
| 02:06.13 | rahul | amphi: yeah |
| 02:06.17 | abrotman | mentor: i'm a right bastard! |
| 02:06.25 | Miesco | Gnome isn't loading its just blank, what do I do? |
| 02:06.30 | mentor | abrotman: Fair point, I suppose :p |
| 02:06.34 | abrotman | mentor: no worries .. thanks for apologizing :) |
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| 02:06.51 | amphi | rahul: penix just vanished into RL? |
| 02:07.07 | abrotman | amphi: it happens .. he's not the only regular to have done that |
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| 02:07.20 | amphi | abrotman: aye |
| 02:07.27 | abrotman | amphi: don't you remember bob2 ? |
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| 02:07.40 | toad_ | any ideas why NFS is so slow? i'm using nfs-kernel-server, and i get 50kB/sec to 300kB/sec on a gigabit network with very little disk i/o going on |
| 02:07.55 | amphi | abrotman: yeah - ISTR someone saying he was alive and well and in some other channel |
| 02:08.07 | Miesco | The failsafe gnome wont even load |
| 02:08.20 | abrotman | amphi: i'm not sure he does much IRC at all anymore .. |
| 02:08.23 | abrotman | or any |
| 02:08.25 | rahul | hell, I vanished for a couple years |
| 02:08.33 | abrotman | rahul: yeah .. but you're weird |
| 02:08.35 | toad_ | system cpu usage is low... |
| 02:08.47 | rahul | abrotman: and we're talking about bob2 and penix... |
| 02:08.56 | abrotman | rahul: bob2 was fairly normal on IRC |
| 02:08.58 | mfrisch | Miesco: gnome is finicky use kde for a solid start, gnomes files in /home can get messed easily |
| 02:09.09 | rahul | eh somewhat |
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| 02:09.34 | Azar | amphi: there a way to read html files from documentation as reg text files, hard to read them with html tags showing |
| 02:09.34 | rahul | maybe it was just my influence :P |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:09.51 | mfrisch | Miesco: or xfce4 |
| 02:10.03 | amphi | Azar: install w3m or some other console browser |
| 02:10.12 | Azar | ah cool I will use links |
| 02:10.26 | Azar | bah |
| 02:10.44 | Azar | trying to figure out how to paste all that stuff there |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | mentor: you probably did the right thing .. that conversation would have dragged on for hours :) |
| 02:11.06 | Miesco | mfrisch: I loaded kde and closed it and tryed gnome and it still does not work |
| 02:11.11 | mentor | Well, I think possibly in all cases it could have been handled better :) |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | mentor: i don't believe in guns! |
| 02:11.38 | Azar | shit cpu at 100% ? |
| 02:11.48 | Azar | I am getting down |
| 02:11.51 | mentor | processing OR IO wait? |
| 02:11.51 | mfrisch | Miesco: you probally have bad configurations in your /home gnome will work if you remove them and then restart |
| 02:12.01 | perl_cont | yo |
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| 02:13.02 | ShockSMX | how can i set up an ethernet card with on debian if it only has windows drivers? |
| 02:13.09 | abrotman | ShockSMX: such as ? |
| 02:13.16 | jello | ndiswrapper? |
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| 02:13.30 | buchan | Anyone know of a red version of the 'debblue', I really like the GTK theme used in the GUI installer. |
| 02:13.40 | ShockSMX | WPC54G |
| 02:13.43 | ShockSMX | v3 |
| 02:13.45 | rahul | who synergy works with direct x games |
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| 02:13.49 | Miesco | mfrisch: Remove my gnome configs? |
| 02:13.51 | rahul | er whoa even |
| 02:13.57 | abrotman | rahul: engrish ? |
| 02:14.20 | Azar | guys some hint? the command "whiptail --backtitle Debian Configuration --title Configuring Exim takes 98.7 from my cpu???? |
| 02:14.22 | mfrisch | Miesco: from your /home/user/. |
| 02:14.28 | rahul | synergy server running on linux, client on windows, full-screen game in windows |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | ShockSMX: ndiswrapper can be used .. but i think that's a pretty popular card .. i'd guess it has linux drivers of some sort |
| 02:14.33 | perl_cont | dunno |
| 02:14.36 | rahul | I can move back and forth at will |
| 02:14.36 | abrotman | rahul: oh .. that :) |
| 02:14.46 | rahul | heaven |
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| 02:14.55 | rahul | I can work and play games at the same time! |
| 02:14.56 | amphi | Azar: seems odd |
| 02:15.00 | Azar | damn I remove exim4 |
| 02:15.01 | Miesco | How do I list the files/directories (not whats in them) using wildcards? |
| 02:15.02 | rahul | and IRC! |
| 02:15.09 | Miesco | Like ls ~/.gnome* |
| 02:15.18 | dvs | Miesco: ls -A |
| 02:15.20 | dvs | ? |
| 02:15.29 | jello | Miesco: ls -d |
| 02:15.37 | rahul | doh, although the mouse edge scrolling doesn't quite work :P |
| 02:15.39 | toad_ | 152496338 bytes (152 MB) copied, 3.88765 seconds, 39.2 MB/s (on server); 21102592 bytes (21 MB) copied, 123.189 seconds, 171 kB/s (on client) ; bing shows around 100Mbps |
| 02:15.43 | Miesco | jello: Thanks |
| 02:15.46 | rahul | not that I should exect it to |
| 02:16.07 | ShockSMX | abrotman: i googled the card name + linux, but i'm only getting ndiswrapper-related hits. no driver hits. |
| 02:16.14 | Azar | damn since I installed exim4 is eating all my cpu resources |
| 02:16.19 | ShockSMX | abrotman: looks like i might have to wrap it |
| 02:16.20 | abrotman | ShockSMX: then that's how you do it i guess |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 02:16.25 | dpkg | hmm... ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:16.27 | jello | Azar: use postfix instead? |
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| 02:16.35 | Azar | jello: no need for email, too buggy |
| 02:16.48 | Azar | gotta reboot, I got stucked with cpu at 99% |
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| 02:18.08 | Miesco | Okay gnome works now |
| 02:18.16 | toad_ | no suggestions as to why my NFS is several orders of magnitude slower than it should be? |
| 02:18.34 | JordiGH | toad_: Your network cables are old? |
| 02:18.51 | Miesco | How do I get higher resolutions? |
| 02:19.01 | toad_ | JordiGH: they're not that great, but hundreds of kB/sec?! |
| 02:19.14 | JordiGH | hundreds? Is that slow? |
| 02:19.29 | toad_ | yes considering it's over gigabit and there's no other network or disk load |
| 02:19.55 | toad_ | bing shows something in the tens of megabits range |
| 02:20.37 | toad_ | over gigabit it ought to be something vaguely close to disk speeds - which are tens of megs per second |
| 02:20.41 | Miesco | How do I change my resolution? |
| 02:21.25 | lunaphyte | how can i install linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 , when it is not available in apt-get anymore? |
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| 02:21.31 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:21.32 | dpkg | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 02:21.43 | Miesco | Whats that package xf86-server or something |
| 02:22.18 | abrotman | for what ? |
| 02:22.21 | abrotman | !drxx Miesco |
| 02:22.21 | dpkg | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:22.37 | lunaphyte | abrotman: if it was once installed, might it be cached somewhere on the machine? |
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| 02:22.56 | toad_ | what i'm after is simply is there a known software issue that might cause drastically slow NFS? |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | lunaphyte: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 02:22.57 | Miesco | abrotman: It did not give me any menus... |
| 02:23.03 | Palish | Hey.. What's a command that I can use to kill a process based on a PID file? |
| 02:23.05 | abrotman | -plow |
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| 02:23.12 | Palish | lighttpd.pid contains "6245" |
| 02:23.16 | toad_ | Palish: kill |
| 02:23.19 | Miesco | !xmd5 Miesco |
| 02:23.23 | jello | Palish: kill -9 $(cat pidfile) |
| 02:23.24 | Palish | kill /path/to/pid.pid? |
| 02:23.27 | Miesco | !xmd5 |
| 02:23.28 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 02:23.39 | Palish | kill -9 $(cat /path/to/pid.pid)? |
| 02:24.02 | toad_ | yep |
| 02:24.02 | jello | Palish: yeah, something like that |
| 02:24.10 | abrotman | Miesco: msg the bot |
| 02:24.18 | pinks | does mkfs have a "mkfs.ntfs" - or is there some other way I can make a NTFS filesystem? |
| 02:24.28 | jello | pinks: ntfs-3g |
| 02:24.39 | pinks | jello: ta |
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| 02:25.08 | pinks | jello: no man pages for that..:( |
| 02:25.19 | jello | pinks: install it first perhaps? |
| 02:25.21 | Miesco | Says the files are identical |
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| 02:25.24 | ShockSMX | what's this syntax here: module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 02:25.38 | pinks | jello: k |
| 02:25.42 | Azar | man, I swear... any mta form is evil |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 02:25.42 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 02:25.51 | Azar | I got rid of all of them |
| 02:25.54 | ShockSMX | yeah |
| 02:26.00 | jello | Azar: postfix is non-evil |
| 02:26.04 | ShockSMX | what is that? |
| 02:26.06 | Azar | all are evil |
| 02:26.17 | Azar | they get you attacks with spam |
| 02:26.20 | pinks | jello: "couldn't find package" |
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| 02:26.25 | Miesco | Is there a program to set up xfree86? |
| 02:26.27 | Ronin | Azar: thats called an email address :) |
| 02:26.34 | jello | pinks: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:26.37 | Azar | Ronin: hahahah yep |
| 02:26.40 | mfrisch | Azar: never heard of mailscanner? |
| 02:26.54 | jello | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:27.00 | Azar | I just installed exim4 to try that bug report thing... and my cpu got stucked at 99%.. |
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| 02:27.08 | Ronin | basically though im almost down to no spam between greylisting and validrecippt or what ever its really called :) |
| 02:27.10 | jason__ | hey |
| 02:27.12 | Azar | mfrisch: no.. |
| 02:27.12 | pinks | jello: 3.1 |
| 02:27.15 | jello | Azar: try using postfix+postgrey |
| 02:27.20 | jello | pinks: it's not in sarge... |
| 02:27.24 | Miesco | jello: Still nothing |
| 02:27.29 | Azar | jello: I had my isp BLOCK port 25 |
| 02:27.34 | jason__ | How can i set my resolution higher than 800x600? |
| 02:27.44 | Azar | I do not have a connection to my mailserver |
| 02:27.48 | pinks | jello: any way to create an NTFS in Sarge? |
| 02:27.48 | amphi | !drxx jason__ |
| 02:27.49 | dpkg | jason__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:27.53 | Guerin | Ronin: what is valdreceipt? |
| 02:27.58 | jello | Azar: you can configure postfix to not accept outside email if you wish |
| 02:28.11 | Miesco | Isn't there a program to edit the xf86config file? |
| 02:28.23 | Azar | jello thanks... I hate using PC based email on any form |
| 02:28.25 | Ronin | validrcptto actually but you guys cant run it, only RichiH and i can |
| 02:28.25 | mfrisch | Azar: a couple of edits and a separate process to spamassassin + virus scanners with postfix its takes one change on the server to get up |
| 02:28.58 | Ronin | if fixs that qmail thang where it accepts all address's , now it has to be a valid address before acceptance |
| 02:29.23 | Guerin | Ronin: oh, so it makes qmail like every other MTA ever written. |
| 02:29.31 | Miesco | Guerin: Whats your resolution? |
| 02:29.34 | Azar | mfrisch: i got a webmail account somewhere on the net, I guess is enough for me |
| 02:29.44 | jello | pinks: ntfsprogs |
| 02:29.48 | Guerin | Miesco: I don't believe in them, I just try to live right every day. |
| 02:29.49 | lunaphyte | if i've installed linux-image-2.6.15-1-686, do i need a matching headers package to reboot using this kernel? |
| 02:29.53 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 02:30.02 | pinks | jello: looking.... |
| 02:30.02 | Azar | Guerin's resolution: quit drinking coffee? |
| 02:30.04 | Guerin | lunaphyte: not to reboot, only to build modules |
| 02:30.04 | Miesco | Whats the resolution after 1600x1200 |
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| 02:30.13 | Guerin | Azar: i don't drink very much coffee |
| 02:30.15 | Ronin | Guerin: not quite,its still better just fixes somethign that was valid when it was written and updates it to todays needs |
| 02:30.22 | Guerin | Ronin: haha |
| 02:30.25 | jello | lunaphyte: you only need the headers to build modules, not to use the kernel |
| 02:30.34 | Miesco | Whats the resolution after 1600x1200 |
| 02:30.39 | Guerin | Ronin: tell yourself that, if you want. It's been standard in sendmail since the year dot. |
| 02:30.41 | Ronin | hot damn, warming up to -1 this weekend bout time |
| 02:30.43 | jello | !tell Miesco about repeat |
| 02:31.03 | Miesco | !tell jello about no one answering |
| 02:31.06 | Azar | Miesco: I guess it gives you a list of them on dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xwhatever |
| 02:31.09 | Ronin | shall we agree to disagree? |
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| 02:31.27 | Miesco | Azar: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 dont work |
| 02:31.29 | Guerin | Ronin: you're wrong, I'm right, i think we can agree to that :) |
| 02:31.44 | Azar | damn let me look at mine |
| 02:31.47 | rpc | guys, which is the better choice for a dedicated server? debian 3.1 minimal or debian pre-4.0 minimal? or shall i decide on ubuntu 6.06 instead? |
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| 02:31.50 | Ronin | Guerin: odd, you have that backwards i thought you were smarter then that ;) |
| 02:31.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:32.00 | daf_ | Where can I go to see if my hardware is supported under certain kernels? |
| 02:32.11 | Guerin | rpc: either, but not ubuntu |
| 02:32.38 | Ronin | on that we agree |
| 02:32.38 | Guerin | rpc: if it's immediately going into production, choose sarge. If you can afford to live a little loos for a while, go etch. |
| 02:32.52 | Guerin | daf_: /msg dpkg hcl |
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| 02:32.55 | lncast | why someone would use ubuntu on a server is beyond me |
| 02:33.07 | Ronin | lncast: its done on an oddly regular basis actually |
| 02:33.08 | rpc | ok debian then. 3.1 or 4.0? |
| 02:33.12 | daf_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.16 | Guerin | rpc: see above |
| 02:33.21 | Ronin | rpc: Guerin actually answered that all ready |
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| 02:33.23 | JordiGH | lncast: You must think I dumb for using Debian on the desktop too. |
| 02:33.34 | Ronin | JordiGH: you rebel |
| 02:33.39 | lncast | JordiGH: nope. i use debian on all my desktops :) |
| 02:33.43 | Azar | Miesco: 1792x1344 |
| 02:33.46 | Miesco | Hold on |
| 02:33.50 | rpc | Guerin did? i don't see that to be honest |
| 02:33.54 | Miesco | I only have 1280x1024 |
| 02:33.58 | Ronin | <Guerin> rpc: if it's immediately going into production, choose sarge. If you can afford to live a little loos for a while, go etch. |
| 02:33.59 | Miesco | I want 1600x1200 |
| 02:34.04 | Miesco | How do I get that? |
| 02:34.09 | rpc | Ronin strange, it's not here, i'm sure |
| 02:34.12 | Ronin | not sure what loos is mind you |
| 02:34.13 | Guerin | Miesco: get a better GPU/display |
| 02:34.17 | Guerin | loosE |
| 02:34.29 | peterS | Guerin: I had to look twice, I thought I saw "GNU/display" |
| 02:34.31 | Ronin | went to the Ronin school of typing i see |
| 02:34.32 | rpc | thanks very much, choosing sarge then |
| 02:34.37 | Guerin | hehe |
| 02:34.56 | Guerin | i have evolved from hunt and peck to `mash randomly and hit deleta a lot' |
| 02:35.06 | ShockSMX | will a v5 diver work with a v3 card? |
| 02:35.09 | Azar | Miesco: maybe thats all your hardware gives |
| 02:35.16 | dvs | !prize Guerin |
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| 02:35.25 | Guerin | !8ball will a v5 diver work with a v3 card? |
| 02:35.26 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 02:35.26 | Miesco | Guerin: No I mean how would I change my resolution? |
| 02:35.31 | Guerin | ShockSMX: yes. |
| 02:35.35 | peterS | ShockSMX: PCI slot voltage has little to do with drivers. so probably. as dpkg said. |
| 02:36.33 | Wyzard | or rather, why PCI slot voltage is relevant to ShockSMX's question |
| 02:36.36 | Azar | I would think lcd screens will offer more resolution because they are shitty, while a nice flat screen crt does not need too much |
| 02:36.56 | Miesco | Azar: What program do I use to change my resolution? |
| 02:37.00 | Azar | am I right Guerin? |
| 02:37.00 | ShockSMX | cool. thanks. |
| 02:37.14 | Azar | Miesco: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:37.21 | Miesco | Azar: THat does not work |
| 02:37.23 | ShockSMX | peterS: v5 is voltage, not version? |
| 02:37.27 | Azar | Miesco: WHY? |
| 02:37.30 | abrotman | wtf .. he's talk about the version .. not the voltage |
| 02:37.32 | Miesco | Azar: I dont know |
| 02:37.39 | Wyzard | ShockSMX: Are you talking about hardware versions for your wireless card? |
| 02:37.39 | peterS | ShockSMX: what is a "v3 card" then? |
| 02:37.42 | Azar | you did not installed the xserver? |
| 02:38.02 | ShockSMX | peterS: WPC54G v3 vs. v5 |
| 02:38.05 | mfrisch | Miesco: you have xorg |
| 02:38.11 | Azar | Miesco: in /etc/X11 do you see xfree86 ? |
| 02:38.19 | Azar | eww he doesss? |
| 02:38.23 | ShockSMX | the drivers up on the linksys site are v5, from what i can see |
| 02:38.31 | Wyzard | ShockSMX: Sometimes those version numbers signify minor changes, but sometimes the card changes completely between versions |
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| 02:38.36 | Miesco | Azar: Wait I can upgrade the server |
| 02:38.49 | ShockSMX | so i might be better off with a v3 driver? |
| 02:38.50 | mfrisch | Miesco: someone was walking him through flux or something |
| 02:38.56 | Wyzard | ShockSMX: There's a difference between the version of the *driver*, and the version of the *card* that the driver is meant for |
| 02:39.00 | Azar | Miesco: mfrisch I think knows to guide you better.. |
| 02:39.27 | Wyzard | ShockSMX: Look up the card on the Linksys website, and go to driver downloads, and if it just gives you a driver, use that |
| 02:39.35 | mfrisch | Miesco: its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:39.40 | ShockSMX | Wyzard: the linksys site doesn't seem to distinguish between different versions of the card. it's just the WPC54G |
| 02:39.49 | Miesco | Okay I upgraded xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:39.51 | ShockSMX | ok |
| 02:39.52 | Wyzard | ShockSMX: then you should be fine |
| 02:40.17 | Azar | Miesco: try either xorg or xfree86 see which works on dpkg-reconfigure stanza |
| 02:40.26 | Miesco | xorg works |
| 02:40.33 | Azar | !victory |
| 02:40.33 | dpkg | i guess victory is http://wiki.ffii.org/Ep050706En |
| 02:40.39 | Wyzard | ShockSMX: If you were to try to download drivers for a Netgear WG511, the website would have you actually look at the card to see whether it's the original kind or the newer version, because the cards are completely different despite having the same product name |
| 02:40.59 | Azar | haha |
| 02:41.01 | Wyzard | ShockSMX: If Linksys's site doesn't do something like that, then presumably you don't have different drivers for different variants of the card |
| 02:41.29 | Azar | guys |
| 02:41.43 | Azar | now I cann see you all better got new prescription eyeglasses |
| 02:41.49 | dvs | heh |
| 02:41.56 | Azar | feels soooo good |
| 02:42.08 | ShockSMX | Wyzard: good to know |
| 02:42.09 | Miesco | Now do I need to restart X? |
| 02:42.32 | Azar | kaboom yes |
| 02:42.59 | Azar | be prepared to get shocked at the new view |
| 02:43.00 | Miesco | Okay restarted |
| 02:43.23 | Miesco | Hey its not working |
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| 02:43.33 | Azar | how come is not working? |
| 02:43.49 | Azar | no video driver installed? |
| 02:43.57 | Miesco | It shows all the resolutions I selected that are smaller then 1600x1200 but not 1600x1200... |
| 02:44.18 | Azar | Miesco: did you got higher resolutions on reconfigure to pick from? |
| 02:44.21 | Wyzard | Miesco: How do you know your monitor is capable of 1600x1200? |
| 02:44.36 | Miesco | Azar: Yes |
| 02:44.45 | Miesco | Wyzard: Dont know, but its a pretty new monitor |
| 02:44.52 | Wyzard | Miesco: LCD or CRT? |
| 02:44.55 | Miesco | CRT |
| 02:45.02 | Azar | Miesco: I guess you did not read the instructions and questions carefully.... some are tricky and tells you to pick the ones you will NOT use |
| 02:45.15 | zinx | most new monitors are not capable of 1600x1200 |
| 02:45.17 | Azar | and you maybe .... picked them |
| 02:45.22 | zinx | LCD *or* CRT |
| 02:45.28 | zinx | CRTs have gotten downright crappy |
| 02:45.40 | Azar | **ding** the penny drops |
| 02:45.48 | Wyzard | zinx: I have a six-year-old generic-brand 17" CRT that can do 1600x1200 just fine |
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| 02:46.02 | zinx | Wyzard: It's 6 years old. |
| 02:46.12 | zinx | Wyzard: that's hardly new. |
| 02:46.20 | Wyzard | Miesco: When configuring X, did you enter refresh rates for your monitor? |
| 02:46.22 | Azar | some two three year old crts with flat screen are awesome |
| 02:46.42 | Wyzard | zinx: You're saying current CRTs are less capable than old cheap ones? |
| 02:46.56 | zinx | Wyzard: Unless you get a really expensive one, yes. |
| 02:47.06 | Miesco | Wyzard: Yes |
| 02:47.06 | Azar | alas we got not anymore CRTs on our stores.. |
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| 02:47.19 | Wyzard | Miesco: Where'd you get the refresh-rate numbers from? |
| 02:47.29 | Miesco | Wyzard: They were already there by default |
| 02:47.46 | dvs | Miesco: did you get a new monitor? |
| 02:47.48 | Azar | the hz? |
| 02:47.53 | Wyzard | Miesco: Those are a set of safe defaults which probably don't match your monitor's actual capabilities |
| 02:48.09 | Wyzard | Miesco: X is probably refusing to do 1600x1200 because it thinks your monitor isn't capable of it |
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| 02:48.21 | Miesco | Wyzard: Okay |
| 02:48.35 | zinx | Miesco: what monitor, and what drivers? |
| 02:48.45 | Wyzard | Miesco: You need to configure it with the correct refresh rates for your monitor, which you can find in the monitor's manual -- or you can choose the alternative option (during configuration) where you pick a monitor type from a list |
| 02:48.56 | Wyzard | Miesco: but looking up and entering the actual refresh rates is preferable |
| 02:49.18 | Miesco | I can do 1440x1024 |
| 02:49.39 | Wyzard | Miesco: Actually, you probably don't need to tell X the refresh rates at all, because it can get them directly from the monitor in most cases, but I'm not sure how to do that with dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:49.40 | abrotman | zinx: xfree doesn't IIRC |
| 02:49.54 | Azar | he is running xorg |
| 02:50.01 | Miesco | Wyzard: I'll just use the resolution I have now, its fine |
| 02:50.09 | Miesco | Just cant fit 2 rxvt's side by side |
| 02:50.21 | Miesco | Probably should use a smaller font or something |
| 02:50.22 | Azar | my samsung lcd does 1600x1200 but heck the text is getting as small as an ant penix |
| 02:50.36 | Wyzard | Miesco: Just check your monitor's manual for its supported frequencies -- they should be on the technical details page, along with the size and weight and other stuff -- and reconfigure with those numbers |
| 02:50.59 | Miesco | Wyzard: I think it found it all, I let it search |
| 02:51.05 | Miesco | I dont think my monitor goes that high |
| 02:51.05 | lunaphyte | aarrgg.. all of these linux-image packages are barfing on their post-removal scripts exit status 128. what gives? |
| 02:51.20 | zinx | Azar: don't force 100DPI or whatever it is that debian forces :) |
| 02:51.35 | Wyzard | zinx: 96 |
| 02:51.54 | Azar | zinx: man I just love my X settings, the way Debian got it |
| 02:52.29 | dondelelcaro | 100dpi is more reasonable for 1600x1200 than 72dpi. |
| 02:52.30 | zinx | /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 02:52.49 | zinx | yay forcing dpi /o\ |
| 02:52.53 | Azar | lunaphyte: clean with aptitude remove next time? |
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| 02:53.10 | Wyzard | zinx: Interesting... gdm apparently ignores that, and starts X with "-dpi 96" instead |
| 02:53.20 | zinx | Wyzard: hah, wouldn't doubt it |
| 02:53.32 | lunaphyte | Azar: how do i do that? |
| 02:53.43 | Azar | guys please find more bugs, Etch needs them all to be fixed |
| 02:53.57 | Wyzard | zinx: I removed the "-dpi 96" from GDM's settings so now my server knows the correct DPI, but amusingly, GTK apparently ignores the server's DPI and defaults to 96 anyway for the text it renders |
| 02:54.03 | dvs | Azar: I'd prefer if the ones that were already there were fixed |
| 02:54.13 | Azar | lunaphyte: I will ask for a clarification: are you saying that removed packages are creading problems? |
| 02:54.18 | zinx | Wyzard: gtk's always paid attention to the DPI here |
| 02:54.37 | zinx | Wyzard: note that themes can specify the font size in pixels |
| 02:54.37 | dbindner_ | I assume the correct 'upgrade path' is still 'aptitude dist-upgrade' because mine didn't want to go. Something about libmesa-glu. |
| 02:54.43 | Wyzard | zinx: "Font" control panel, "Advanced" button |
| 02:54.44 | zinx | Wyzard: (or anything else for that matter) |
| 02:54.53 | Azar | dvs I love perfection: my wish is that Etch be the perfect one, the most perfect of all distros |
| 02:54.55 | Wyzard | zinx: Mine says 96 even though that's not the server DPI, and I didn't set it to that |
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| 02:55.02 | zinx | Wyzard: if it's specified in pixels, it won't change depending on the DPI |
| 02:55.04 | dvs | Azar: heh. dream on! |
| 02:55.05 | lunaphyte | Azar: when i do a apt-get remove [packagename], it still appears in dpkg -l . when i do a dpkg -P [packagename], it barfs. |
| 02:55.14 | zinx | Wyzard: erh, that sounds more like gimp or gnome |
| 02:55.17 | Wyzard | Azar: My wish is that etch get released so sid can get 2.6.20 and GNOME 2.16 :-) |
| 02:55.35 | Azar | lunaphyte: try using "aptitude remove" and "aptitude install" from now on, if want to know why read here: |
| 02:56.01 | Azar | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
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| 02:56.34 | lunaphyte | Azar: thanks. i'll read. |
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| 02:57.17 | cld2 | how do I configure/change what WM will be launched via GDM, I installed a wm via apt and its not showing up in the wm selection portion of the gdm screen. thanks. |
| 02:58.22 | dondelelcaro | cld2: that's actually not a WM selection screen, that's a session selection screen. Not all WM provide gdm sessions. |
| 02:59.07 | dondelelcaro | if you use the Debian session (or whatever it's called now), you can have a .xsession which exec's your WM. Other methods of doing similar stuff are also available. |
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| 02:59.44 | Nwallins | how do I upgrade packages that are kept back after dist-upgrade? |
| 02:59.57 | Nwallins | is it a bad idea to try? |
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| 03:00.04 | Wyzard | Nwallins: "apt-get install" them individually |
| 03:00.23 | Nwallins | ah, thanks |
| 03:00.23 | cld2 | dondelelcaro: thanks for the schooling. |
| 03:00.56 | Wyzard | Nwallins: Packages get held back when apt is unable or unwilling to meet the new version's dependencies... in the "unwilling" case, it's usually because the new version conflicts with something else that apt doesn't think it should remove |
| 03:01.16 | Wyzard | Nwallins: so tell it to install one of the held-back packages, and take a look at its list of proposed changes to make sure it's OK |
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| 03:01.32 | Wyzard | Nwallins: btw, you should use aptitude rather than apt-get |
| 03:02.02 | Nwallins | Wyzard: i can't stand aptitude's interface... never got the hang of it. synaptic is pretty nice tho |
| 03:02.29 | Nwallins | Wyzard: well, the ncurses/graphical aptitude interface. i guess it's useful on cmd line too |
| 03:02.46 | Wyzard | Nwallins: The nice thing about aptitude is that it keeps track of which packages are installed just because of dependencies from something else, and removes them automatically when nothing depends on them anymore |
| 03:02.48 | Nwallins | apt-get is hardwired into my fingers, though ;) |
| 03:02.51 | Xenguy | Wyzard: I would like to migrate to aptitude, but I read somewhere that it is sometimes too aggressive when removing stale dependencies (programs it thinks are no longer necessary) -- is there any truth to this? |
| 03:02.54 | eldowan | Nwallins: I find the cli version quite lovely. :D |
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| 03:03.16 | Wyzard | Nwallins: apt-get and synaptic don't do that, so you can end up with lots of old packages sitting around that nothing actually uses anymore |
| 03:03.29 | Nwallins | Wyzard: yeah, I've been cleaning them out all afternoon :) |
| 03:03.39 | Nwallins | Wyzard, eldowan: thanks for the tip |
| 03:04.02 | Xenguy | !aptitude |
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| 03:04.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 03:04.27 | Wyzard | Xenguy: If a package is marked as automatically-installed and nothing depends on it anymore, aptitude will mark it for removal... but as with apt-get, it tells you what it's going to install/uninstall and waits for confirmation before doing it, so if you see it's going to remove something you want, you just tell it to keep it installed, and it'll remove the auto flag and keep the package |
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| 03:04.55 | Wyzard | Xenguy: so as long as you look at the list of proposed changes before telling it to go ahead -- which you probably already do with apt-get anyway -- you're fine |
| 03:05.14 | Xenguy | Wyzard: OK, good to know :-) |
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| 03:06.03 | eldowan | is there a way of getting aptitude to not show what is being held back? or barring that, having that displayed first, so I can see what is to be added/removed on a system that has many things being heldback? I know I can use aptitude <blah> | less but I would prefer not to have to. |
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| 03:06.47 | Nwallins | after installing udev, should I remove hotplug? |
| 03:06.52 | Wyzard | Xenguy: A tip for when you first switch to aptitude: mark *everything* as automatically installed by highlighting the "installed packages" heading and pressing 'M', then go through the list and tell it to keep the individual packages you want to keep (by highlighting them and pressing '+') |
| 03:07.20 | Wyzard | Xenguy: That way you get auto-installed flags where appropriate on your existing set of packages, and probably some cruft marked for removal |
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| 03:07.24 | niles | eldowan: can you restate your question but instead, please substitute blah with foo |
| 03:07.39 | eldowan | niles: aptitude isntall iptraf | less |
| 03:07.42 | Wyzard | Nwallins: In etch/sid, yes |
| 03:07.47 | eldowan | s/isntall/install/ |
| 03:08.23 | Nwallins | Wyzard: actually I think that was handled.. i saw prompts, but they are saying to purge hotplug (hotplug has already been removed) purging... |
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| 03:09.42 | squisher | Hi, has anyone here installed a custom latex style before? I'm following the instructions and putting it in ~/texmf & run mktexlsr, but latex still doesn't find it |
| 03:10.21 | Wyzard | squisher: I believe custom styles go in ~/texmf/tex/latex/base |
| 03:10.44 | jstevens | Anyone have a favorite price comparison site for computer goodies? |
| 03:11.03 | magyar | tgz is gzip with tar, what is bzip2 and tar extension? |
| 03:11.04 | squisher | Wyzard: hi again :-). So the subdirectories are mandatory? Let me try that |
| 03:11.15 | Wyzard | magyar: tbz2 |
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| 03:11.25 | magyar | Wyzard: thank you |
| 03:11.29 | Wyzard | magyar: but .tar.gz and .tar.bz2 are preferable |
| 03:11.42 | eldowan | magyar: I concur with Wyzard |
| 03:11.49 | lunaphyte | how can i "unhold" all packages? |
| 03:12.01 | Xenguy | Wyzard: thanks again |
| 03:12.09 | eldowan | lunaphyte: loosen your grip? |
| 03:12.22 | Xenguy | heh |
| 03:12.56 | squisher | Wyzard: thanks a lot, that worked. It was my own style file, so I didn't know what subdirectory to put it in |
| 03:13.56 | lunaphyte | eldowan: bash: loosen: command not found |
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| 03:14.47 | eldowan | lunaphyte: sorry, it was a joke. i.e. release the grip your hands have on the packages. |
| 03:15.03 | lunaphyte | i know. :P |
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| 03:16.11 | eldowan | would there be a reason that I cannot change file permissions on a nfs mounted share as root?? |
| 03:16.34 | Nwallins | I have emacs21 installed, but no X system. xaw3dg is installed, and emacs21 'depends' on it. can I remove xaw3dg? |
| 03:17.14 | jello | g'night all |
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| 03:19.19 | JordiGH | Nwallins: Probably you can. Is space that tight? |
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| 03:19.34 | eldowan | stoned, you around? |
| 03:19.39 | stoned | yessir |
| 03:19.55 | eldowan | want to give me a hand with nfs? |
| 03:20.04 | Desiac | found a project a while ago for wireless meshing, enableing wifi nic to associate wit multiple APs for the life of me cant find it again, anyone else come across it? |
| 03:20.08 | stoned | sure |
| 03:20.08 | JordiGH | Nwallins: You're in for a world of pain, though. apt won't let you do anything if you forcibly remove a package. |
| 03:20.22 | Nwallins | JordiGH: that's all the encouragement I needed :) |
| 03:20.27 | JordiGH | Well, it might let you do stuff, but it's going to bitch and moan every step of the way. :-) |
| 03:20.31 | stoned | eldowan: but I'm afraid I don't know anything about NFS. I'm just a dumb IRC stoner. |
| 03:20.38 | eldowan | stoned: I can't get root to be able to chmod any files on the share. |
| 03:21.02 | eldowan | stoned: thats OK, sometimes not knowing about the subject lets you think in ways experts wont think. :D |
| 03:21.09 | JordiGH | How can I know what DPI my X fonts are using? |
| 03:21.31 | stoned | eldowan: I'm not in a pleasant mood. I don't want to be rude to you unintentionally. I need to get high first. I'll talk to you in a bit bro. |
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| 03:21.56 | JordiGH | Speaking of stoning, my flatmates just got 250g worth of Mexican brick weed. :-) |
| 03:21.56 | eldowan | stoned: cool, though I'll be out in about 10 minutes. if you are on tomorrow, i'll ask then. |
| 03:22.09 | Nwallins | JordiGH: how does mexi-weed get over there? |
| 03:22.14 | stoned | eldowan: I'm really sorry.. I'm just very irritable right now. |
| 03:22.20 | JordiGH | Nwallins: Get where? To .mx? |
| 03:22.28 | eldowan | stoned: no probs. everyone gets their rag once in a while :D |
| 03:22.34 | stoned | yup |
| 03:22.34 | Nwallins | JordiGH: heh, I assumed you were in EU |
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| 03:22.44 | stoned | I'll be off the rag here soon as I get plastered! |
| 03:22.44 | eldowan | JordiGH: brick = seeds and stems? bah. |
| 03:22.46 | stoned | :) |
| 03:22.47 | JordiGH | Assume again! |
| 03:22.58 | Nwallins | eldowan: brick means highly compressed |
| 03:23.01 | stoned | let us not discuss pot in here eh? |
| 03:23.04 | JordiGH | eldowan: Yeah. |
| 03:23.08 | stoned | guys... |
| 03:23.18 | JordiGH | eldowan: For the vapouriser. |
| 03:23.43 | eldowan | JordiGH: I actually agree w/ stoned on this one... too OT for this channel I think. |
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| 03:23.49 | JordiGH | Hehehe... |
| 03:24.08 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.12 | JordiGH | I don't think stoned is worried about the OTishness... He just doesn't want to get a craving. -) |
| 03:24.14 | stoned | goddamn my lap is filthy now |
| 03:24.31 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 03:25.20 | JordiGH | Right, so let's get back to increasing my X fonts. |
| 03:25.29 | stoned | -dpi X |
| 03:25.31 | stoned | XX |
| 03:25.32 | stoned | XXX |
| 03:25.39 | stoned | I use -dpi 132 with font size 8 |
| 03:25.40 | stoned | :) |
| 03:25.44 | eldowan | now we get free pr0n? |
| 03:25.50 | stoned | now/how? |
| 03:25.56 | stoned | nm |
| 03:25.59 | Wyzard | eww, don't set your DPI with "-dpi" |
| 03:26.00 | stoned | I just caught on |
| 03:26.03 | Nwallins | what's a good way to see reverse dependencies in aptitude? without drilling through every submenu to find the particular pkg? |
| 03:26.08 | stoned | Wyzard: why not |
| 03:26.23 | stoned | Wyzard: I'm SURE they have it there for a reason... |
| 03:26.28 | Wyzard | Let X just calculate it from the monitor's dimensions |
| 03:26.36 | stoned | no |
| 03:26.42 | stoned | I don't want to |
| 03:26.51 | JordiGH | Nwallins: use apt-cache dotty |
| 03:26.52 | Wyzard | which it can query directly from the monitor in many cases, and you can set with "DisplaySize" in the config file otherwise |
| 03:26.56 | eldowan | Wyzard: how would I go about doing that for a TV that has a 640x480 resolution? a monitor looks fine with it, but on the TV it is atrocious |
| 03:27.15 | JordiGH | Nwallins: or apt-cache rdepends, I believe... |
| 03:27.31 | JordiGH | Nwallins: apt-cache dotty is nice. It'll give you a dependency graph! |
| 03:27.31 | Nwallins | JordiGH: hmm.. no idea what dotty is telling me yet |
| 03:27.44 | Nwallins | JordiGH: is that for like graphviz? |
| 03:27.47 | Nwallins | dot, etc |
| 03:27.48 | eldowan | Nwallins: don't forget to cross your t's |
| 03:27.50 | JordiGH | Nwallins: It is. |
| 03:27.57 | Wyzard | eldowan: Provide the size of the TV as a "DisplaySize" argument in the config file and X will calculate its DPI |
| 03:28.21 | eldowan | Wyzard: in x.org? displaysize being diagonal size in inches? |
| 03:28.27 | Wyzard | yep |
| 03:28.57 | eldowan | Wyzard: Aahhh, hopefully now I will be able to use a terminal emulator without spending 5 minutes increasing the font size! Thanks for the tip bud |
| 03:29.05 | stoned | Wyzard: and what happens if you're not satisfied with the dpi that is calculated |
| 03:29.16 | eldowan | stoned: easy, go by a new TV |
| 03:29.23 | stoned | why |
| 03:29.28 | stoned | I can save money with -dpi |
| 03:29.53 | Wyzard | stoned: Well, then you'd have to use "-dpi" I guess -- I was about to say that "-dpi" is a hack for telling the server to pretend the monitor's DPI is something other than what it really is |
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| 03:30.13 | stoned | exactly! :) |
| 03:30.14 | eldowan | stoned: bah, thats the easy way. |
| 03:30.31 | JordiGH | Wyzard: I have an old monitor. It has knobs instead of a fancy schmancy built-in menu. :-) |
| 03:30.31 | Wyzard | DPI isn't some freeform value that you're supposed to choose automatically... it's an inherent characteristic of the display |
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| 03:30.52 | JordiGH | So if I put in a good monitor size, X will make my fonts bigger? |
| 03:31.10 | Nwallins | or maybe your monitor will start smoking? |
| 03:31.10 | eldowan | Wyzard: unless the display can change its dpi... |
| 03:31.21 | Wyzard | JordiGH: If you put in the physical size of your monitor, X will know its DPI and that should affect the size of the fonts |
| 03:31.28 | JordiGH | Sweet. |
| 03:31.37 | JordiGH | The physical size of my monitor is "tiny". |
| 03:31.37 | Wyzard | eldowan: The only way to do that is to change either the physical size or the number of pixels, and a TV can't do either |
| 03:31.49 | JordiGH | Can I guess? Does the size even have to be in 3:4 ratio? |
| 03:32.02 | eldowan | Wyzard: true, I was thinking of laser TVs and such. or maybe in the future with new tech. |
| 03:32.19 | Wyzard | JordiGH: Look it up in the monitor's specs sheet, or just measure with a ruler |
| 03:32.21 | Nwallins | laser TVs? sweet! |
| 03:32.35 | Wyzard | eldowan: IIRC, when you change video modes, X recalculates the DPI based on the new pixel dimensions |
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| 03:32.40 | JordiGH | Wyzard: Specs sheet, heh. When was the last time anyone got second-hand hardware with manuals included? |
| 03:32.51 | eldowan | Nwallins: yeah, new tech, larger color gamut than CRT, less power than LCD, thinner than LCD / plasma. |
| 03:32.54 | Wyzard | JordiGH: You can probably look it up on the manufacturer's website |
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| 03:33.01 | Wyzard | eldowan: Do you mean DLP? |
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| 03:33.15 | eldowan | Wyzard: dlp as opposed to? |
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| 03:33.43 | Wyzard | eldowan: DLPs don't necessarily use lasers... I don't think even most do |
| 03:33.45 | Nwallins | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_TV |
| 03:33.50 | Nwallins | news to me |
| 03:34.00 | eldowan | Wyzard: no they are actually using a lazer instead of a color wheel. |
| 03:34.04 | eldowan | s/lazer/laser/ |
| 03:35.09 | Wyzard | eldowan: I think the defining characteristic of a DLP is the use of a micromirror array, not the illumination source, but I've read that DLP TVs are starting to use colored LED banks instead of incandescent lamps with color wheels |
| 03:36.01 | eldowan | Wyzard: yes, that is correct IIRC. laser TV will eliminate the backlight and color wheel, using a set of micromirrors i believe |
| 03:36.28 | JordiGH | Hm, this is odd. Sometimes aptitude refuses to install a recommends, but after it installs everything else, I can ask it to install that recommends, and it won't report a conflict. |
| 03:36.34 | stoned | eldowan: get some shit ready man |
| 03:36.37 | Wyzard | The micromirrors aren't a replacement for the bulb and color wheel... they're what reflect the light onto the screen, regardless of where the light comes from |
| 03:36.40 | stoned | eldowan: I dunno anyone over there |
| 03:36.48 | eldowan | stoned: on tap |
| 03:36.53 | stoned | you know what I'm talking about |
| 03:36.54 | stoned | :) |
| 03:37.19 | Nwallins | what is 'pn' status in dpkg -l ? |
| 03:37.21 | eldowan | Wyzard: I'm not disagreeing with you. I believe we just made the same point. |
| 03:37.26 | eldowan | Nwallins: pinned? |
| 03:37.38 | stoned | !pinning |
| 03:37.39 | dpkg | well, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 03:37.49 | Nwallins | reading... thanks |
| 03:38.02 | Nwallins | ah, yes, I had pinned from sid |
| 03:38.06 | Wyzard | eldowan: It sounded like you meant that laser TVs will use micromirrors, unlike non-laser TVs, and that the micromirrors remove the need for a bulb |
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| 03:38.27 | stoned | Wyzard: you're a bult |
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| 03:38.31 | stoned | bulb |
| 03:38.39 | stoned | you know its very strange |
| 03:38.41 | Wyzard | eldowan: What I meant is that laser-based DLP will still use micromirros, just like all other DLPs, but the laser will replace the bulb |
| 03:38.48 | eldowan | Wyzard: aah, sorry for the bad syntax. maybe one day I'll learn how to speek tood engrish |
| 03:38.48 | stoned | i KNOW the "T" key is upthere |
| 03:38.55 | stoned | but I always move my finger down to B |
| 03:38.57 | stoned | and vice versa |
| 03:38.58 | Wyzard | np :-) |
| 03:39.02 | stoned | its crazy man |
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| 03:39.13 | eldowan | Wyzard: yep, same point. :D |
| 03:39.20 | stoned | get a room! |
| 03:39.26 | decoherence | i'm a bulb |
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| 03:39.29 | eldowan | stoned: not makeout point. |
| 03:39.30 | stoned | no you're not |
| 03:39.40 | stoned | Wyzard is a bulb |
| 03:39.40 | decoherence | oh okay |
| 03:39.44 | stoned | there can be only One! |
| 03:40.35 | decoherence | i'm a bolt |
| 03:40.35 | stoned | makes me wanna watch highlander again |
| 03:40.37 | eldowan | hmmm. I read something somewhere about squash root in context with nfs. Could it be that I need to play around with that to get root chmod/chown access over nfs? |
| 03:40.40 | Nwallins | hmm... I removed a pinned package, but I'm still getting it in dpgk -l dpgk -P didn't work on it, as it had already been removed. how do i remove it such that dpkg -l no longer lists it? |
| 03:40.46 | stoned | i would like to see a modern 3d game with highlander stuff |
| 03:40.50 | stoned | it would be cool |
| 03:40.54 | Wyzard | well, very little of it |
| 03:41.10 | eldowan | I used to be addicted to highlander |
| 03:41.19 | eldowan | movies, the series, etc... |
| 03:41.20 | peterS | Nwallins: dpkg -l lists all packages dpkg has seen before. if it is installed the first two columns will be 'ii'. if not it will be 'np' or similar |
| 03:41.24 | stoned | I used to have multiple personality disorder |
| 03:41.31 | stoned | but now we're okay |
| 03:41.31 | Wyzard | eldowan: Are you talking about squashfs? |
| 03:41.36 | eldowan | stoned: are y'all OK now? |
| 03:41.41 | stoned | lol |
| 03:41.42 | stoned | yup |
| 03:41.50 | Nwallins | peterS: hmm... it doesn't show me other packages that it has seen and have since been removed/purged |
| 03:41.55 | eldowan | Wyzard: I think it was something like no_squash_root or squash_root |
| 03:42.05 | peterS | Nwallins: what are the first two letters on the dpkg line, then? |
| 03:42.09 | Wyzard | oh... haven't heard of that, nevermind |
| 03:42.09 | peterS | I mean the 'dpkg -l' output line |
| 03:42.13 | Nwallins | peterS pn |
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| 03:42.25 | Wyzard | I was going to point out that squashfs is read-only so you certainly can't do chmod/chown on it |
| 03:42.38 | eldowan | Wyzard: that is good to know for the future. |
| 03:42.50 | Nwallins | the AptPinning page on debian wiki mentions /etc/apt/preferences which I don't have |
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| 03:43.06 | eldowan | Love, peace, and chicken grease. I'm out. |
| 03:43.10 | tboatman | eldowan: export with no_root_squash - root is mapped to "nobody" by default |
| 03:43.20 | Nwallins | peterS: pn rails <none> (no description available) |
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| 03:43.44 | Nwallins | peterS: crap, just kidding |
| 03:43.58 | eldowan | tboatman: so I need to make sure no_root_squash on the nfs server? |
| 03:44.00 | peterS | Nwallins: this is legacy behavior based on the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/status. I suppose you could edit that file to remove references to the packages you don't want to see |
| 03:44.04 | Nwallins | peterS: I am used to doing dpkg -l | grep 'foo' and this time I did dpkg -l foo |
| 03:44.15 | peterS | Nwallins: heh, quite different (: |
| 03:44.19 | Nwallins | dpgk -l | grep rails does not show the package |
| 03:44.24 | JordiGH | Lefties... |
| 03:44.25 | tboatman | eldowan: yup...and then re-export...that should do the trick...had the same issue |
| 03:44.35 | eldowan | tboatman: sweet, thanks a lot |
| 03:44.45 | tboatman | eldowan: np...good night :) |
| 03:44.46 | peterS | Nwallins: right 'cause plain old 'dpkg -l' only shows packages which are installed in some way |
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| 03:45.27 | Balsamic_Chicken | hi, is there some deb repo from where i can just apt-get install the newest openoffice version? |
| 03:45.51 | Balsamic_Chicken | silent night =) just kidding |
| 03:46.03 | JordiGH | Uh, any? |
| 03:46.13 | Balsamic_Chicken | what |
| 03:46.14 | JordiGH | Unless by "newest" you mean CVS. |
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| 03:46.19 | JordiGH | Any repo has OO.o. |
| 03:46.29 | Balsamic_Chicken | hmm i meant the openoffice 2.1 |
| 03:46.50 | Balsamic_Chicken | i use kubuntu/ubuntu and apt-get upgrade doesn't upgrade my openoffice 2.0 to 2.1 |
| 03:46.51 | eldowan | tboatman: would I need to remount on the client after I run exportfs -a? |
| 03:46.53 | peterS | Balsamic_Chicken: debian experimental has 2.1. probably don't want to try it unless you're already running unstable, though |
| 03:47.07 | Guerin | Balsamic_Chicken: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:47.22 | tboatman | eldowan: most likely, but I'm honestly not sure on that |
| 03:47.28 | Guerin | Balsamic_Chicken: maybe you want to run flighty fish or whatever it's called |
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| 03:47.39 | eldowan | tboatman: nope, just checked. Once the exportfs has been done, it is all gravy |
| 03:47.44 | eldowan | !prize tboatman |
| 03:47.46 | Balsamic_Chicken | what's flight fish |
| 03:47.51 | Balsamic_Chicken | and thx for the inputs |
| 03:47.52 | abrotman | Balsamic_Chicken: ask #ubuntu |
| 03:47.55 | Balsamic_Chicken | btw i asked in ubuntu |
| 03:47.57 | Balsamic_Chicken | they said come here |
| 03:47.58 | Guerin | Balsamic_Chicken: it's my made-up ubuntu distro name |
| 03:48.03 | Balsamic_Chicken | ic |
| 03:48.11 | Guerin | Balsamic_Chicken: you're running ubuntu, not debian? |
| 03:48.15 | Nwallins | Balsamic_Chicken: if you really want to find a debian package, try http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages use "Search package directories" down below, and distribution: unstable |
| 03:48.26 | Balsamic_Chicken | k thx |
| 03:48.30 | Greyscale | can I determine the drive's DMA setting from within linux(I think I got it stuck at 33Mb/s) |
| 03:48.33 | Balsamic_Chicken | i'm running kubuntu edgy |
| 03:48.46 | Greyscale | then go ask in ubuntu |
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| 03:48.51 | Greyscale | this is -debian- |
| 03:48.55 | Guerin | Balsamic_Chicken: go back to #ubuntu and tell whoever told you to come here that #debian says they're a fucking idiot |
| 03:49.02 | Wyzard | Balsamic_Chicken: There's no such thing as "kubuntu edgy" |
| 03:49.18 | decoherence | huh? |
| 03:49.22 | Guerin | no, it'd be kubuntu krokodile or something |
| 03:50.19 | Wyzard | Balsamic_Chicken: Debian and Ubuntu have similar infrastructure, but they don't use the same package repositories... you're looking for Ubuntu packages, not Debian packages |
| 03:50.24 | decoherence | means kubuntu edgy egret or whatever |
| 03:50.53 | Wyzard | oh, nevermind, ignore me about edgy... I mis-read "kubuntu edgy" as "kubuntu etch" |
| 03:51.04 | Wyzard | silly 4-letter names that start with 'E' |
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| 03:52.05 | Wyzard | wow... newegg still sells SB16 cards? |
| 03:52.22 | decoherence | how much? |
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| 03:52.58 | Dewi | does procmail have a 50MB limit for spools or something? It is suddenly complaining it can't write a spool... |
| 03:52.58 | Wyzard | ~$20 |
| 03:53.13 | abrotman | PCI i hope :) |
| 03:53.19 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 03:54.29 | peterS | abrotman: sb16 isn't PCI |
| 03:54.44 | abrotman | Wyzard said it! |
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| 03:54.47 | kakalto | how can I set up eth0 to a static IP address? |
| 03:54.56 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
| 03:55.12 | peterS | abrotman: Creative didn't go PCI until the SBLive! series. sb8, sb16, awe32, awe64 were all ISA/EISA |
| 03:55.36 | abrotman | PCI128 was before AWE i think |
| 03:55.37 | Dewi | peterS: I think there were PCI ones available, but they weren't common |
| 03:55.55 | peterS | I guess you don't need to push all that many bits to a sound card at a time, so there was no compelling need for a PCI bus |
| 03:56.00 | kakalto | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:56.10 | peterS | even CD quality sound is only 176 kB/s, that's peanuts even for ISA |
| 03:56.26 | Dewi | peterS: and that is all any of those cards could do |
| 03:56.45 | peterS | well even if you did surround sound you wouldn't much more than double that bit rate. so ISA is still plenty fast |
| 03:56.58 | abrotman | nope .. AWE was long before PCI128 |
| 03:57.01 | Dewi | does ISA have a fixed clock? |
| 03:57.11 | peterS | it's not like anyone can actually tell the difference between 44/48 kHz 16-bit and 96 kHz 24-bit |
| 03:57.22 | Wyzard | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102182 |
| 03:57.25 | abrotman | and there was a PCI SB16 |
| 03:57.26 | peterS | Dewi: I think it's something like 12 MHz |
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| 03:57.42 | Dewi | peterS: you could specially craft a signal, for children, that might be detectably different. :) |
| 03:57.52 | Dewi | peterS: but it might be important if you're doing editing |
| 03:57.54 | peterS | Dewi: and effective bandwidth was something like 3 MB/s, but I can't remember for sure |
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| 03:58.15 | Dewi | peterS: repeated rounds of quantisation noise and all that |
| 03:58.40 | peterS | Dewi: we're not talking about editing, we're talking about input and output. speakers and microphones. seriously if you need a mic that goes higher than 48 kHz 16 bit, you're not buying off the shelf PC sound cards, you're paying real money |
| 03:59.03 | Dewi | peterS: indeed |
| 03:59.05 | Wyzard | peterS: See the newegg link I just pasted: PCI SB16 with built-in amplifier |
| 03:59.13 | williamham | whileon the subject of sound any apps that can push audio out of multiple cards at once. Same audio and different. Plan is to have multiple cards in a machine for cventral music server for house |
| 03:59.16 | peterS | Wyzard: weird, I had no idea Creative made a PCI version of that card |
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| 03:59.31 | Dewi | peterS: I'm just saying there is a good reason for those formats/rates to exist, but there's no reason for them to get marketed to home users. |
| 03:59.40 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster |
| 03:59.47 | Wyzard | peterS: Well, they would'be be able to sell ISA cards these days, but I'm surprised they still sell SB16s at all |
| 03:59.51 | peterS | Dewi: sure, good reason for those formats to exist - but you don't send them to and from a consumer level sound card (: |
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| 04:00.42 | Dewi | peterS: bigger numbers = better!!!! |
| 04:00.45 | Dewi | :) |
| 04:00.57 | Dewi | kind of like wattage with speakers, hehe |
| 04:01.00 | peterS | Dewi: kinda like trying to sell a graphics card or monitor that can display 48-bit color. graphic artists and photographer types certainly have use for 48-bit color in their applications, but nobody needs it on the monitor |
| 04:01.32 | abrotman | noone needs 48-bit color |
| 04:01.40 | Dewi | peterS: I think the human limit for colour is probably between 16 and 24 bit... |
| 04:01.47 | Dewi | peterS: so 32 is probably plenty for editing |
| 04:01.52 | abrotman | Dewi: we're analog! |
| 04:01.57 | peterS | abrotman: they use 48-bit color to avoid accumulated round-off errors as they edit their pretty pictures |
| 04:02.19 | Dewi | abrotman: yep, but we can still detect quantisation error at 16bit... kind of |
| 04:02.26 | Wyzard | Dewi: well, 32-bit color doesn't actually display any more than 24-bit... the extra 8 bits are just for alpha |
| 04:02.27 | abrotman | peterS: and they'll find some silly reason to justify 64bit color too :) |
| 04:02.28 | peterS | Dewi: and yet there do exist 16bit x 3channel graphics formats and apps |
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| 04:02.50 | peterS | Dewi: possibly 12bit x 3channel is all they really need though |
| 04:02.52 | Dewi | peterS: probably for byte-alignment convenience more than anything |
| 04:02.54 | concept10 | there is a streaming server with a gnome front end, I cant remember what its called... Ideas anyone |
| 04:03.03 | Guerin | concept10: use vlc |
| 04:03.06 | Dewi | peterS: the algorithms would be a lot faster... if you've got the RAM |
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| 04:03.16 | Wyzard | concept10: Server? Or client? |
| 04:03.17 | concept10 | Guerin, its called m4 something |
| 04:03.23 | concept10 | Wyzard, I meant client |
| 04:03.25 | Dewi | peterS: you don't want to be doing a couple of shifts every time you get or put a pixel-channel |
| 04:03.28 | peterS | concept10: 'apt-cache search' does not help you? |
| 04:03.29 | Guerin | concept10: i don't do gnome, but I can recommend vlc. |
| 04:03.41 | Wyzard | concept10: streamtuner and quodlibet can play streams |
| 04:03.43 | Guerin | concept10: there's also gnump3d, which has a shiny html interfaces |
| 04:03.45 | Dewi | peterS: shifts and masks I mean |
| 04:03.53 | concept10 | peterS, not when i dont know the name |
| 04:04.14 | peterS | concept10: that is the difference between 'apt-cache search' and 'apt-cache show'. the latter requires that you know the name. the former doesn't. |
| 04:04.26 | abrotman | there's mpd ? |
| 04:04.33 | concept10 | mpd! |
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| 04:04.38 | concept10 | thats what I was looking for! |
| 04:04.40 | concept10 | thanks!!!! |
| 04:04.46 | peterS | !!!!! |
| 04:04.46 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 04:04.53 | gilbert_ | hi all |
| 04:04.56 | concept10 | !mpd |
| 04:04.56 | abrotman | yeah .. a '4' looks like 'p' |
| 04:04.56 | dpkg | methinks mpd is multiple personality disorder |
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| 04:05.11 | concept10 | abrotman, it was m something :) |
| 04:05.20 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:05.30 | stoned | concept10: hi |
| 04:05.36 | concept10 | stoned, hey bud |
| 04:05.39 | gilbert_ | how to make apache send out mail using FQDN, eg., www-data@mydomain.com instead of www-data |
| 04:05.41 | stoned | I can't get a good sound |
| 04:05.44 | williamham | thanks all I will do some more digging on the above suggestions |
| 04:05.46 | gilbert_ | thx in advnace |
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| 04:05.49 | abrotman | concept10: apt-cache search stream | grep ^m |
| 04:05.58 | stoned | concept10: it sounds great on my amp.. but when recorded, its shrill |
| 04:06.08 | abrotman | concept10: YOU MADE A FUNNY! |
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| 04:06.36 | concept10 | heh |
| 04:06.52 | concept10 | stoned, you may need a di box |
| 04:07.35 | gilbert_ | plus, i'm using postfix, any configuration on MTA side |
| 04:08.15 | Guerin | gilbert_: postfix should need no config. no clue how to make apache send mail; think it's done by whatever script you use |
| 04:08.20 | Guerin | gilbert_: ask #apache |
| 04:08.30 | gilbert_ | thx, guerin |
| 04:09.05 | abrotman | might depend on the scripting language |
| 04:09.09 | abrotman | if there's one involved |
| 04:09.28 | gilbert_ | postfix on other side rejects any non-FQDN sender... and i see apache using <www-data> only when send email out |
| 04:09.46 | gilbert_ | i have no control of the script .. it's written by 1 of my customer |
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| 04:13.51 | maddash | if I'm able to run a vanilla kernel (2.6.19), as opposed to the debian stock kernel on my debian setup, then what characterizes debian apart from anything else? |
| 04:14.05 | gilbert_ | he's using a cgi as "contact us" form to send mail... i guess the "From:" header is therefore not set |
| 04:15.05 | peterS | maddash: uh ... I don't get your question. and OS is a great deal more than just a kernel. |
| 04:15.41 | Guerin | gilbert_: ask #postfix to see if you can rewrite that header |
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| 04:15.49 | maddash | peterS: what makes debian etch a "debian"? |
| 04:16.02 | Guerin | maddash: the packages |
| 04:16.27 | maddash | Guerin: you mean apt? |
| 04:16.34 | Guerin | maddash: no, apt is a library. |
| 04:17.02 | Guerin | maddash: i mean the packages programs built and installed according to debian's policy |
| 04:17.33 | Guerin | policy is the essential thing which differentiates debian from any other distro; this finds its manifestation in the packages |
| 04:17.39 | peterS | though a lot of people seem to think debian's sole contribution to the world is apt, and once apt was ported to rpm, debian had nothing left to offer |
| 04:17.51 | peterS | the fools |
| 04:18.36 | maddash | Guerin: I'm not sure I understand your use of "policy" |
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| 04:19.12 | maddash | Guerin: are you referring to developmental cycle? |
| 04:19.35 | dondelelcaro | !policy |
| 04:19.35 | dpkg | i heard policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimpliment it, poorly. |
| 04:19.38 | dondelelcaro | maddash: see above. |
| 04:19.42 | peterS | maddash: no. Debian Policy is a document which sets quality standards for everything in debian. the fact that we have quality standards (and we take them seriously) and most other distributions do not is what sets us apart. |
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| 04:20.01 | predder | I'm using mon with linux-ha on a debian box to failover services to another machine on certain failure scenarios. Without using ICMP is there a way I can check if the link is down on a box short of looking for "link is down" in the logs? |
| 04:20.07 | Guerin | !policy |
| 04:20.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimpliment it, poorly. |
| 04:20.14 | Guerin | bah, lag |
| 04:20.26 | peterS | maddash: without Policy, debian would be little more than a random collection of tarballs. many people don't understand this, they think it's all about "what packages do you have". |
| 04:20.36 | Guerin | peterS: like slackware! |
| 04:20.39 | peterS | heh |
| 04:20.56 | Guerin | cynics would say policy is the reason debian requires 1000 developers, instead of just one |
| 04:21.20 | Nwallins | what about # of users? |
| 04:21.27 | Guerin | Nwallins: what about it? |
| 04:21.34 | Nwallins | higher or lower because of policy? |
| 04:21.40 | peterS | we wouldn't have any users if we didn't have something to set us apart from the crowd. once again, that's mostly Policy |
| 04:21.45 | Guerin | impossible to tell, and irrelevant to boot |
| 04:22.15 | peterS | no, it's very relevant. we have users because we have high-quality packaging, lots of attention to detail. and that's mostly because of our culture of having a package policy. |
| 04:22.24 | Nwallins | Guerin: i would argue that debian's popularity, as well as its large workforce, is due to policy |
| 04:22.42 | Nwallins | the fact that other distros are based off it, too |
| 04:22.44 | Guerin | Nwallins: how do you explain red hat's much greater popularity, then? |
| 04:22.45 | cyzie | is intel wireless 3945 already in kernel ? |
| 04:23.00 | Nwallins | Guerin: comfort with the corporate model |
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| 04:23.08 | peterS | cyzie: depends on how you mean "in". it is available as debian binary packages. it is not in the linux kernel tarball itself. |
| 04:23.33 | peterS | cyzie: ...as of 2.6.18, at least - that is the newest kernel that exists, because nothing exists outside of ftp.debian.org.... |
| 04:23.54 | cyzie | peterS, thanks. but how do i get my wireless 3945 to work ? |
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| 04:24.33 | peterS | cyzie: apt-cache search 3945 |
| 04:24.55 | cyzie | okie. thanks |
| 04:25.14 | cyzie | peterS, when in modconf, i icant find 3945, only ipw2100 and ipw2200 |
| 04:25.16 | maddash | I just perused the intro. now I'm left wondering why such policy is required |
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| 04:25.35 | peterS | cyzie: I said, apt-cache search 3945 |
| 04:25.42 | Guerin | maddash: read the rest |
| 04:25.46 | dondelelcaro | maddash: it's not strictly required, but if you don't have it, there's no way to get 18000 packages working together. |
| 04:26.02 | Nwallins | maddash: it keeps things sane and reliable |
| 04:26.07 | cyzie | peterS, okieeee |
| 04:26.09 | dondelelcaro | you'll end up with packages that don't cooperate properly, stomp over your system, and do things that are bad. |
| 04:26.33 | Guerin | i suppose you could eventually boil the reson for policy down to `segfaults' |
| 04:26.35 | cyzie | hey peterS , did you ever get webcam installed? |
| 04:26.58 | maddash | so slackware trips over a ton of segmentation faults? |
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| 04:27.22 | rellik | is 3c59x the best driver to use for my 3com soho100-TX? |
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| 04:27.30 | Nwallins | maddash: by intro, do you mean chapter 1? there is no real content in chapter 1 any way |
| 04:27.36 | Guerin | maddash: no, not really. |
| 04:27.43 | maddash | Nwallins: I'm up to link 5 |
| 04:27.47 | peterS | maddash: not segmentation faults so much as "why the #@&^$ isn't this package configured sanely by default? why doesn't it have a manpage? why do I have to configure such-and-such in four places instead of just one?" |
| 04:27.47 | Guerin | maddash: i was being facetious |
| 04:27.59 | BrownFrog | I recently repartitioned one of my SATA drives (sdc), but my Debian in hda can't see all the partitions; /dev/sdc16 and up don't exist! parted sees them just fine. Any idea what's wrong and how I can solve it? |
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| 04:28.17 | Guerin | 16 partitions, eew |
| 04:28.24 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: ...you actually have more than 16 partitions on a single disk? |
| 04:28.28 | maddash | BrownFrog: `lsmod|grep ata` |
| 04:28.29 | BrownFrog | Guerin: I like testing out lots of Linux distributions ;) |
| 04:28.50 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Debian itself is on /dev/hda20 |
| 04:28.56 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:29.10 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: It's possible that the kernel only recognizes up to 16 partitions because the developers anyone making more than that would be crazy |
| 04:29.27 | peterS | maddash: if all you want is a pile of packages, you can use any distribution. if you want them to look like a coherent whole, everything where you expect it to be, configuration in reasonable places, and smooth upgrades from one version of the distro to the next, even when you've customized your system to hell and back, then you need something like debian. |
| 04:29.34 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: Are you using udev? |
| 04:29.58 | BrownFrog | maddash: (or anyone) http://channels.debian.net/paste/5229 |
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| 04:30.08 | olskolirc | ? |
| 04:30.12 | olskolirc | h |
| 04:30.14 | olskolirc | ? |
| 04:30.24 | olskolirc | how do i convert .rar into .iso please? |
| 04:30.29 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: unrar it. |
| 04:30.32 | BrownFrog | maddash: whoops; wrong clipboard |
| 04:30.37 | maddash | BrownFrog: it's "grep ata", not "ata" |
| 04:30.40 | olskolirc | n then? |
| 04:30.54 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: figure out what is actually in the rar, and convert it or mkisofs it. |
| 04:30.57 | Nwallins | maddash: though, debian policy does create headaches when trying to get support from the original dev group, if debian has heavily patched the vanilla source |
| 04:30.57 | Wyzard | olskolirc: .rar is a compressed archive, like .zip |
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| 04:31.06 | BrownFrog | maddash: ok, this should be better: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5230 |
| 04:31.10 | olskolirc | i know Wyzard |
| 04:31.13 | Wyzard | olskolirc: You can use the "unrar" package to extract it |
| 04:31.24 | maddash | peterS: thanks. I think I'm closer to understanding than before, when I was googling '* vs. debian' |
| 04:31.26 | Wyzard | olskolirc: If it contains an .iso, then you'll have an .iso |
| 04:31.35 | BrownFrog | maddash: re: grep, I know, I just typed it in wrong in the title ;) |
| 04:31.46 | olskolirc | i want to turn a rar file INTO an iso |
| 04:31.48 | Wyzard | olskolirc: but that's not "converting"... talking about "converting" .rar to .iso doesn't make any sense |
| 04:31.57 | Guerin | olskolirc: man mkisofs |
| 04:32.03 | olskolirc | thanks Guerin |
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| 04:32.07 | maddash | Nwallins: ah, this brings me to my next question? what does the debian patch do, and why is it necessary? |
| 04:32.10 | Wyzard | olskolirc: If you want to make an iso containing the files that are in the rar, extract it and use mkisofs |
| 04:32.17 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: ps -A | grep udev -> 1732 ? 00:00:00 udevd |
| 04:32.18 | Nwallins | maddash: debian patch implements policy |
| 04:32.24 | olskolirc | shut up now Wyzard |
| 04:32.29 | Guerin | olskolirc: but it's like taking a bag of flour and saying I want to make this into a loaf of bread |
| 04:32.31 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: so I assume that means I'm using udev |
| 04:32.37 | Wyzard | olskolirc: ? |
| 04:32.38 | peterS | maddash: it is not at all uncommon to see some HOWTO giving like 15 steps to set something up, where the Debian equivalent is 'apt-get install some_package' and some_package asks you a couple of questions as it installs itself. I can't give any obvious examples, but I seem to see that sort of thing often. |
| 04:32.57 | dondelelcaro | olskolirc: Wyzard has given you perfectly reasonable advice. If you want to be abusive, go elsewhere. |
| 04:33.19 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: Try creating the device files manually and see if they work... that'll tell you whether it's a kernel bug or a udev bug |
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| 04:33.23 | olskolirc | Wyzard didn't tell me anything that I didn't alreay know and 2 that wasn't my question |
| 04:33.33 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: as in, touch /dev/sdc16? |
| 04:33.37 | olskolirc | the rest of the class understood |
| 04:33.38 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: and if I was actually *being* abusive, I would understand that |
| 04:33.43 | Guerin | olskolirc: if you know so much, whyd you need to ask, clever clogs? |
| 04:33.45 | dondelelcaro | BrownFrog: nah, as in makedev. |
| 04:33.49 | maddash | BrownFrog: sorry, I just reread your question...seems like sata detection isn't the problem, since you can detect some of the sdc* |
| 04:33.56 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: no, device files have to be created manually... use the makedev script, or mknod manually |
| 04:34.00 | BrownFrog | maddash: indeed |
| 04:34.17 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Ah, ok; I had no clue how udev worked, thanks ;) |
| 04:34.30 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Here goes nothing... |
| 04:34.43 | olskolirc | ok i'll finish this tomorrow |
| 04:34.50 | maddash | Nwallins: so by running a vanilla kernel, do I screw myself over? |
| 04:34.52 | danf_1979 | My (potential) dedicated server provider states that its debian server installation comes with default debian partitions? what is the default debian scheme?? |
| 04:34.53 | olskolirc | i wasted my last bit of energy on Wyzard |
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| 04:35.11 | Nwallins | maddash: not at all. you just don't get to use apt* to manage it |
| 04:35.18 | kakalto | how do I copy directories like .kde ? |
| 04:35.26 | Guerin | danf_1979: that means nothing. |
| 04:35.35 | Guerin | danf_1979: ask them what they mean |
| 04:35.40 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: dunno; not worth thinking about. |
| 04:36.06 | Nwallins | maddash: if you compile your own stuff, you're basically wandering into unsupported territory -- nothing wrong with that at all |
| 04:36.18 | danf_1979 | Ok Guerin |
| 04:36.20 | peterS | maddash: in fact if you use the 'kernel-package' infrastructure, you can build your own kernel, make a debian package out of it, and install/uninstall it just like any other package. a lot of people do this, it makes things convenient - like automatically managing /boot/grub/menu.lst as you install and uninstall the kernel package |
| 04:37.59 | niles | gcc -> gcc-3.3 how can i tell if that is a hard link or a soft link |
| 04:38.02 | BrownFrog | hmm; I tried both ./MAKEDEV and ./MAKEDEV update and no changes |
| 04:38.23 | Wyzard | niles: That's a soft link (aka symlink) |
| 04:38.34 | Wyzard | niles: Hard links just look like ordinary files |
| 04:38.36 | maddash | peterS: i know, because my "home-base" kernel is a custom compiled 2.6.18.3 :) I'm just wondering about running 2.6.19, and possibly adapting the 2.6.18 patch to it. |
| 04:38.42 | niles | oh ok |
| 04:38.44 | niles | thanx pal |
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| 04:39.48 | peterS | maddash: yeah, we recommend using the 'make-kpkg' program from the 'kernel-package' package, to compile your 2.6.19. it'll spit out a .deb file which you can install with 'dpkg --install' and later remove with 'dpkg --remove'. |
| 04:40.11 | dondelelcaro | maddash: /msg dpkg kp; and /msg dpkg kp mantra; for details. |
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| 04:42.08 | witless | hi. would anyone care to recommend a good VPS hosting service that offers debian as the OS? |
| 04:42.11 | maddash | dondelelcaro: whats the "debian way"? doesn't make-kpkg just `make` and then pipe the results of a subsequent `make install` into a .deb? |
| 04:42.19 | maddash | dondelelcaro: like checkinstall? |
| 04:42.47 | maddash | dondelelcaro: well, a heavily modified checkinstall, since the .deb will also need to manage the menu.lst |
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| 04:43.55 | niles | ln gcc-3.4 gcc results in the error ln: `gcc': File exists |
| 04:43.56 | BrownFrog | Wyzard, maddash: makedev didn't seem to do anything; now what? |
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| 04:44.16 | niles | yet the syntax is . ln <target> <linkName> |
| 04:44.41 | niles | now gcc does not link to anythink |
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| 04:44.46 | niles | *anything |
| 04:44.51 | Guerin | niles: rm gcc |
| 04:44.55 | Guerin | niles: try again |
| 04:44.56 | dondelelcaro | niles: you want ln -sf gcc-3.4 gcc |
| 04:44.56 | niles | ohok |
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| 04:45.23 | dondelelcaro | but mucking with the gcc symlink is stupid. Set CC, HOSTCC instead. |
| 04:45.44 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: mknod /dev/sdc17 b 8 49 |
| 04:45.44 | thinkmassive | hey, anyone familiar with ntfsresize? |
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| 04:45.47 | maddash | BrownFrog: makedev is out of my league, but it might be better to elucidate the "[didn't do anything]" part |
| 04:46.05 | Wyzard | thinkmassive: I've used it once or twice from Ubuntu's installer... it seems to work well enough |
| 04:46.14 | maddash | thinkmassive: defrag first |
| 04:46.24 | niles | thanx fellaz |
| 04:46.38 | thinkmassive | thanks, I successfully resized, now I just need to move the ntfs filesystem to the end of the partition |
| 04:46.42 | thinkmassive | any ideas? |
| 04:46.59 | niles | dondelelcaro: it works now. but it would be nice if apt would update the link for me too |
| 04:47.09 | niles | but i dont think thats apts job |
| 04:47.12 | Wyzard | thinkmassive: GNU Parted is probably the best/only way to safely do that |
| 04:47.22 | Wyzard | thinkmassive: aside from a non-free tool such as Partition Magic |
| 04:47.33 | BrownFrog | maddash: hmm; basically, it complains that there udev is already active (despite /etc/init.d/udev stop, and ps -A | grep udev showing a blank), and that "udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/" |
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| 04:47.38 | maddash | so the new etch release people are always asking about is the debian-ized 2.6.19? |
| 04:47.39 | thinkmassive | wyzard: cool, I'll try parted |
| 04:47.50 | niles | dondelelcaro: i did do an echo $CC first and got a blank line |
| 04:48.00 | BrownFrog | maddash: (yet /dev/.static/dev still shows only /dev/sdc[1-15]) |
| 04:48.07 | thinkmassive | I have PM on my windows system, but I accidentally erased the partition with grub and I don't have a windows cd here |
| 04:48.36 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: Use the mknod command I mentioned a minute ago to create sdc17 directly |
| 04:48.41 | dondelelcaro | niles: it's not set by default, of course. You'd just go make CC=gcc-3.4 or whatever. apt-get does set gcc if you have gcc installed, and it's set to gcc-4.1 on modern systems |
| 04:48.44 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: (makedev is just a script that calls mknod for you) |
| 04:48.45 | peterS | maddash: etch is debian 4.0. it has thousands of packages in it, like sarge (debian 3.1) did. it will ship with kernel 2.6.18. (2.6.19 has not been tested nearly enough to release it in a debian stable release at this time) |
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| 04:49.46 | BrownFrog | maddash: I looked at its manpage, and it's a bit confising; I assume it would be a block device, so "mknod /dev/sdc16 b", but what to put for MAJOR and MINOR? |
| 04:49.50 | niles | why does apt only provide 3.1 ? |
| 04:50.01 | niles | is debian sarge that old? |
| 04:50.07 | dondelelcaro | niles: if you're using stable, 3.1 was the version of gcc that was released and "stable" then |
| 04:50.18 | maddash | peterS: isn't etch unstable? why would 2.6.19 need to be released into debian stable? |
| 04:50.27 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: 8 and 49, as I mentioned a minute ago |
| 04:50.29 | Guerin | maddash: no. |
| 04:50.33 | dondelelcaro | maddash: etch is going to be released soon. |
| 04:50.36 | maddash | peterS: I'm assuming that "debian stable" = "sarge" |
| 04:50.41 | peterS | maddash: no. etch will be the name of the new debian stable, 4.0. currently it is not yet released. but it is not the same thing as unstable. |
| 04:50.49 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: Run "ls -l /dev/sdc15" and you'll see "8, 47" there |
| 04:51.07 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: sdc16 would be 8,48 and sdc17 would be 8,49 |
| 04:51.11 | niles | does anyone here program in Ada? |
| 04:51.14 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: ah, ok; thanks :) |
| 04:51.38 | maddash | BrownFrog: pipe everything over to Wyzard... |
| 04:51.55 | BrownFrog | maddash: Will do ;) |
| 04:52.01 | niles | gcc said it need gnats to compile ada programs. so i use apt to install it and i get the following crap. Setting up gnats (4.1.0-0) ... No packages found matching qmail. |
| 04:52.04 | peterS | maddash: _current_ debian stable is debian 3.1 "sarge". _next_ debian stable will be debian 4.0 "etch". etch has existed in a pre-released state ever since sarge was released. etch is a sort of "semi-tested" shadow of unstable. packages are first put in unstable, then if no serious bugs are found, they are eventually moved into etch. when we think etch is ready for the public, we call it stable. |
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| 04:52.08 | niles | like email is relevent to programming |
| 04:52.27 | maddash | peterS: ok. and sarge would be "obsolete"? |
| 04:52.35 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: So just increase by MINOR by two for every partition? |
| 04:52.44 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: by one, not two |
| 04:52.45 | maddash | peterS: and sid will take etch's current status? |
| 04:52.56 | peterS | maddash: when etch becomes "stable", sarge becomes "oldstable", and woody (the current "oldstable", debian 3.0) goes away from our view. |
| 04:53.01 | Wyzard | maddash: no, sid is always the unstable branch |
| 04:53.04 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: d'oh, didn't see you showed two there; ok, that makes sense |
| 04:53.05 | kingsley | Why would files restored by rsync have wrong uids and gids? (Both are 1002.) |
| 04:53.07 | Wyzard | maddash: A new name will be created for testing |
| 04:53.18 | peterS | maddash: no, sid is unstable and sid will always be unstable, a new codename will be implemented for the next release, "lenny". |
| 04:54.01 | maddash | that implies that "sid" is not in the same category as {"etch","sarge","woody",...} |
| 04:54.15 | thinkmassive | ah man, parted can move filesystems, but not ntfs |
| 04:54.16 | dondelelcaro | it is in some senses, but not in others. |
| 04:54.29 | dondelelcaro | it's definetly not the name of a release, but it is a codename of a part of the repository. |
| 04:54.54 | h3xis | who was lenny in toy story? i dont remember |
| 04:55.00 | dondelelcaro | h3xis: binoculars |
| 04:55.15 | h3xis | dondelelcaro, ah right |
| 04:55.19 | peterS | maddash: correct. sid is a special case, it is the permanent unstable, it never changes to a different state. the 'testing' release (currently etch) pulls its updates from sid until we declare testing -> stable. |
| 04:55.27 | maddash | thinkmassive: maybe you could use an ubuntu installer cd |
| 04:55.41 | h3xis | maddash <3 |
| 04:55.45 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Hmm; mknod worked fine, but when I try to mount, it says: mount: /dev/sdc16 is not a valid block device |
| 04:56.00 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: OK, I guess it's a kernel limitation then |
| 04:56.01 | maddash | thinkmassive: also qtparted on the knoppix cd worked for me... |
| 04:56.04 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: I'm not too surprised |
| 04:56.08 | peterS | maddash: so when etch is released, it will effectively be copied to lenny, the new 'testing', and then lenny will start getting updates from sid. etch will no longer get any updates, after it becomes stable, except by a special procedure used for security updates and such. |
| 04:56.11 | maddash | h3xis: hey! |
| 04:56.16 | h3xis | ^^ |
| 04:56.21 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: You should consider using LVM instead of lots of partitions |
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| 04:56.42 | maddash | peterS: so the question I ought to ask is when *lenny* will be released? |
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| 04:56.52 | thinkmassive | maddash: I'm using ubuntu 5.10 livecd now, but parted doesn't do ntfs |
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| 04:57.07 | maddash | peterS: which is rather ironic, considering that linus called it the "rare 'perfect' kernel" |
| 04:57.08 | Wyzard | maddash: lenny doesn't even exist yet |
| 04:57.09 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: What advantage does LVM have? |
| 04:57.16 | Wyzard | maddash: so, maybe 2 years from now |
| 04:57.31 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: And why does that many partitions work fine on my IDE drive? |
| 04:57.33 | peterS | maddash: heh. sarge was in June 2005, etch was supposed to be December 2006 but it's on track to be 2 or 3 months late. we hope to keep the same 18-month release cycle for lenny, I think, so think in those terms. |
| 04:57.38 | maddash | Wyzard: 2 years?! |
| 04:57.53 | peterS | maddash: as for Linus calling kernels perfect - he says that sort of thing all the time (: |
| 04:57.58 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: as many logical volumes as you want, and you can create/remove/resize logical volumes while the system is running |
| 04:58.03 | maddash | LOL |
| 04:58.13 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: That does sound useful |
| 04:58.25 | maddash | peterS: well to be precised, he called it "rare [and] perfect"... |
| 04:58.32 | justin | plus with lvm partitions have names, not numbers |
| 04:58.33 | Wyzard | maddash: Debian has a slow release cycle, targeted more at servers that want reliable stuff than desktops that want the latest stuff |
| 04:58.35 | maddash | peterS: precise* |
| 04:58.37 | predder | maddash, Etch isn't even out yet, why are you focussed on Lenny? |
| 04:58.53 | peterS | maddash: oh perhaps, but it's not the first time he's bragged about a kernel having no bugs in it. almost a running joke with him |
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| 04:59.02 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: The disadvantage is that only Linux supports it, so you can't access LVM logical volumes from Windows |
| 04:59.50 | predder | Wyzard, so LVM has no *bsd or solaris support? |
| 04:59.50 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: I am a bit concerned about that; I don't need to access the mostly ext3 partitions from Windows, but I like to use Acronis to manage partitions, and don't know if it can handly LVM or not |
| 05:00.04 | maddash | thinkmassive: hmm. I think i actually moved a fat32 part, not a ntfs...sorry. |
| 05:00.05 | peterS | maddash: anyway - because of our 3-tier release system (unstable trickles into testing which eventually becomes stable), the 'testing' release is both up-to-date and reasonably usable most of the time. users who want up-to-the-minute packages but don't want to be on the 'unstable' bleeding edge often run 'testing' (currently etch, soon lenny) |
| 05:00.10 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: There's a fair chance it can't... it's very flexible but Linux-specific |
| 05:00.56 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: but keep in mind that you can do things like resizing LVM volumes without needing a tool like Acronis |
| 05:01.16 | maddash | predder: 2.6.19 has some new stuff I want to try out |
| 05:01.28 | apierre | Is there a script which can probe my hardware and build a kernel based on what it finds for etch? |
| 05:01.50 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: That's true; how does LVM look to partioning tools? i.e.: can I have, say, the "real" /dev/sdc5 be LVM, then /dev/sdc6 (which is now /dev/sdc17) be an NTFS volume? |
| 05:02.07 | maddash | peterS: thanks. probably should stick with the etch I have now and learn more about it. |
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| 05:02.31 | peterS | BrownFrog: an LVM volume is made up of one or more physical partitions, so /dev/sdc5 can participate in an LVM (either as the only partition, or with other disks/partitions). |
| 05:02.32 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: It's kinda like an extended partition -- you make one big partition that LVM calls a "physical volume", and then create logical volumes within it |
| 05:02.57 | peterS | BrownFrog: so yeah it can certainly coexist with NTFS volumes. but sdc17 cannot exist, as SCSI disks can only have up to 15 partitions, in Linux |
| 05:02.58 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: Within that partition you have complete flexibility from Linux, but to everyone else it's just a big opaque block of data |
| 05:03.19 | maddash | thinkmassive: why don't you copy your data to a backup partiton, then create a new ntfs @ the end of the HD? |
| 05:03.19 | peterS | maddash: good plan |
| 05:03.28 | BrownFrog | peterS: Shame that the Linux kernel does not differentiate SCSI, which can't, from SATA, which clearly can |
| 05:03.52 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: Well, SCSI itself doesn't know or care about partitions... it's just a limitation of the Linux kernel's SCSI subsystem |
| 05:04.01 | peterS | BrownFrog: needing that many partitions on one disk but not being willing to run LVM is very much a niche case. |
| 05:04.05 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: I'm not overly concerned with acces from Windows, so that just might work :) |
| 05:04.38 | BrownFrog | peterS: I might be willing to use LVM, I'm just reading a HOWTO on how it works now |
| 05:04.43 | peterS | BrownFrog: by running LVM you can have up to 255 "partitions" inside a single LVM volume group in a single physical partition |
| 05:05.07 | peterS | possibly more than 255, but I think the default 'vgcreate' command formats an LVM volume group that has a max of 255 volumes in it |
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| 05:05.28 | BrownFrog | peterS: Still, I don't see why the Linux kernel can't just see if it's "real" SCSI or not, and treat it just like an IDE drive if it's really SATA, but then I'm not a Kernel hacker so what do I know |
| 05:05.36 | kingsley | Which utility can restore a mirrored backup to a fresh disk, without infinitely looping on symlinks like scp, and without substituting uids and gids like rsync? |
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| 05:05.51 | Guerin | kingsley: rsync doesn't. |
| 05:06.00 | Guerin | kingsley: in other words, rsync works fine/ |
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| 05:06.51 | peterS | BrownFrog: the partition limit of 16 for SCSI is just a historical accident - for some reason somebody figured nobody would need more than 15 partitions. I agree, actually, it seems quite unmanageable to make _that many_ little partitions on one disk and not use a simpler solution like LVM. the fact that the IDE subsystem sets the limit at 31 is similarly arbitrary. they could both be 15 or they could both be 31, it ... |
| 05:06.53 | thinkmassive | maddash: I only have 20gb free on a 60gb hdd... plus that would take forever |
| 05:06.57 | peterS | ... wouldn't really affect the rest of the kernel at all |
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| 05:07.03 | kingsley | Guerin: It seems to me that rsync sometimes substitutes uids and gids for user and group names. man rsync explains this under "--numeric-ids". |
| 05:07.03 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: The higher-level parts of the Linux SCSI subsystem are really more like a generic disk subsystem that's not tied to SCSI at all |
| 05:07.23 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: A number of things use it -- USB flash drives appear as SCSI disks, for example |
| 05:07.34 | Guerin | kingsley: if you used -a to make ther backup, and -a to restore it, there should be no such substitution |
| 05:07.40 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Yup, my USB flash drive appears as /dev/sdd |
| 05:07.45 | Guerin | kingsley: why you would NOT use -a for such an operation is beyond me |
| 05:07.59 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: It's just a way to use generic code that was first written for SCSI but really isn't SCSI-specific |
| 05:08.04 | DarKSidE_ | anyone been able to get librsvg 2.16 installed on woody? i have been fighting the deps like redhat rpm hell. |
| 05:08.04 | peterS | BrownFrog: indeed, if you want to be insane, pay some kernel hacker to spend 5 minutes changing the partition scheme so that SCSI disks get up to 255 partitions. a pretty trivial change. just nobody thinks it would be particularly useful. |
| 05:08.18 | maddash | thinkmassive: it seems to be your only other option besides sayonara-ing your old data |
| 05:08.23 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: The original IDE subsystem is completely independent of the SCSI subsystem, but it only supports PATA |
| 05:08.30 | Guerin | DarKSidE_: why woody? |
| 05:08.44 | DarKSidE_ | its a server at work |
| 05:08.48 | kingsley | Guerin: I created the backup with rdiff-backup and restored with rsync -a. |
| 05:08.53 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: There's a new IDE subsystem called "libata" that supports both PATA and SATA, and it uses the upper parts of the SCSI subsystem |
| 05:08.54 | Guerin | DarKSidE_: suggest you get about upgrading it |
| 05:08.55 | thinkmassive | maddash: I suppose I can wait until tomorrow, when I have a winxp cd to restore the mbr |
| 05:09.03 | thinkmassive | I'm going to install fluxbuntu tomorrow |
| 05:09.08 | BrownFrog | peterS: Never underestimate the capability of some people to have border cases ;) I'm just kinda a hobbyist, but it seems perfectly managable for me. Whenever I install a new Linux distribution, I just edit GRUB and a text file on /dev/hda1 |
| 05:09.11 | thinkmassive | since etch still isn't out |
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| 05:09.17 | BrownFrog | peterS: Takes me all of 5 minutes |
| 05:09.19 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: That's why SATA disks appear as SCSI disks in Linux -- they're handled by libata and presented to the user via the SCSI disk layer |
| 05:09.27 | maddash | thinkmassive: it always helps to backup your mbr with a simple dd |
| 05:09.39 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Ah, that makes sense :) |
| 05:09.42 | DarKSidE_ | love to but its a production box |
| 05:09.45 | Guerin | thinkmassive: because ubuntu is so much more stable than testing |
| 05:09.55 | DarKSidE_ | they really dont want it upgraded |
| 05:09.57 | maddash | Guerin: it is? |
| 05:10.07 | Guerin | maddash: </sarcasm> |
| 05:10.28 | thinkmassive | mbr isn't the issue, I deleted the ext3 partition with grub on it |
| 05:10.28 | Guerin | DarKSidE_: then why do they want stuff installed on it? |
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| 05:10.46 | thinkmassive | guerin: I had nothing but trouble trying to upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 05:10.47 | peterS | BrownFrog: the fact that partitions cannot be moved around and resized without considerable pain means that you have to leave lots of unpartitioned space on your hard disk in order to do what you do. moving and resizing partitions in LVM is much simpler. what if you have 12 partitions and you think /dev/hda7 should be bigger? what do you do? LVM gives a simple answer. managing your pile of partitions makes that sort of ... |
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| 05:10.48 | Guerin | DarKSidE_: that's cake and eating it |
| 05:10.52 | maddash | Guerin: haha I'm surprised that you didn't chase him back to #ubuntu |
| 05:10.55 | peterS | ... thing really difficult. |
| 05:11.13 | Guerin | thinkmassive: so why not run etch now? |
| 05:11.21 | BrownFrog | peterS: True, I guess if my Gentoo begins to outgrow its partition or something that could be useful |
| 05:11.27 | Guerin | thinkmassive: not as much as you'll have switching ubuntu releases, I can guarantte |
| 05:11.38 | thinkmassive | can I do a netinstall of etch from the start? |
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| 05:11.43 | Guerin | of course |
| 05:11.44 | maddash | omg LVM...that's my answer! |
| 05:11.48 | DarKSidE_ | a project came up that needed that package but only librsvg 2.14 is in apt-get |
| 05:12.09 | peterS | BrownFrog: yeah. so I can imagine really needing 25 partitions. what I can't imagine is needing 25 partitions and knowing in advance exactly how big each one of them should be. I'll want to be able to change my mind later. |
| 05:12.15 | cplx | can someone tell me why I can view webmin locally.. ie: 127.0.0.1:10000 and not from another machine ie. 192.168.50.100:10000 |
| 05:12.17 | thinkmassive | hmm can I install etch using a sarge netinstall cd? |
| 05:12.23 | cplx | any ideas guys? |
| 05:12.31 | maddash | oh crap that machine uses windows |
| 05:12.32 | peterS | thinkmassive: you can install sarge and then upgrade to etch over the net |
| 05:12.55 | thinkmassive | I tried and things got so messed up that I zapped the installation |
| 05:12.58 | terran | what's windows? |
| 05:13.00 | BrownFrog | peterS: Albeit Acronis can resize partitions pretty well already; takes a while though, while I assume LVM would be a lot quicker (I assume it's kinda "virtualizing" the partitons or something, right?) |
| 05:13.15 | DarKSidE_ | your right, probably best to just upgrade...how hard is it to upgrade from one release to another in debian? would it be better to just install sarge then move over the data |
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| 05:13.40 | cplx | can someone tell me why I can view webmin locally.. ie: 127.0.0.1:10000 and not from another machine ie. 192.168.50.100:10000 |
| 05:13.43 | peterS | BrownFrog: well, there's resizing the partition, but what if you want to make it bigger - you have to move the other partitions out of the way first. annoying. and what if you want to make it smaller? now you have a gap, what do you do with that? too much headache all around. |
| 05:14.08 | BrownFrog | peterS: Yeah, doable, but it is indeed a bit of a pain, depending on circumstances |
| 05:15.04 | ShockSMX | i'm getting this error: visudo: specified editor (nano --smooth ..etc) doesn't exist! |
| 05:15.06 | peterS | BrownFrog: with LVM you just allocate partitions a lot like files in a filesystem. each one takes up X amount of room, you can make them bigger or smaller, create, delete, and LVM worries about where the bits and pieces are stored. you don't have to worry about it until you fill up the LVM volume group (VG). and then if you want you can extend the VG onto another partition and keep going. |
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| 05:15.08 | ShockSMX | but it does, because i can launch it |
| 05:15.16 | ShockSMX | why am i getting the error? |
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| 05:16.06 | BrownFrog | peterS: That does sound nifty |
| 05:16.18 | peterS | ShockSMX: not all programs agree about how to handle things like $EDITOR and $VISUAL and $PAGER - whether they can be full shell commands or just executables. sounds like you got caught in the middle of one of those cases |
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| 05:16.54 | ShockSMX | yeah, it's 'nano --somecommands' in .bashrc |
| 05:17.02 | ShockSMX | that might be the issue. i'll take it out. |
| 05:17.09 | jetscreamer | die vi die |
| 05:17.10 | peterS | BrownFrog: the other fringe benefit of lvm is that each "partition" gets a name, rather than just a number, so they're a bit easier to keep straight. so like /dev/myvg/fc5_usr instead of /dev/hda13 |
| 05:17.32 | peterS | (where 'myvg' is the name of the volume group that the volume is stored in) |
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| 05:18.52 | ShockSMX | peterS: took the commands out, works fine. |
| 05:20.02 | BrownFrog | peterS: So now I've just got to see how hard this thing is to set up... I have Etch 64-bit there (running Sid 32-bit now), that should be pretty easy to reinstall if needs be; not looking forward to reinstalling Gentoo though! |
| 05:20.18 | Azar | hmm ok now that I removed exim4 and exim I have a strange feeling something gonna go bad.. |
| 05:20.18 | Azar | I recall somehow the system needs some form of mta ? am I right? |
| 05:20.20 | BrownFrog | peterS: (Maybe I'll just leave Gentoo out of the LVM; it's just one partition after all!) |
| 05:21.44 | peterS | BrownFrog: nobody ever looks forward to reinstalling gentoo (: dealing with LVM mainly involves understanding the containers. a volume group (VG) holds logical volumes (LV). each LV is like a partition, you put a filesystem on it. the VG physically lives in one or more physical volumes (PV), which are just regular disk partitions formatted with 'pvcreate'. |
| 05:22.18 | peterS | BrownFrog: so the lvm tools include lots of things that begin with 'lv', 'vg' and 'pv', for managing those 3 types of objects |
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| 05:23.32 | peterS | BrownFrog: step 1 is to set one or more partitions to partition type 8E, denoting an lvm PV, then run 'pvcreate /dev/hdawhatever' on them. step 2 is to run 'vgcreate' to create a VG from the PV or PVs. |
| 05:24.06 | peterS | BrownFrog: then you can use 'lvcreate' to create LVs, and then you can 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/myvgname/mylvname' to your heart's content |
| 05:24.44 | peterS | BrownFrog: with a reasonable distribution, if you have the LVM tools installed, they should scan your partitions and find your VGs at boot time, so 'mount' will be able to mount your filesystems |
| 05:24.59 | BrownFrog | peterS: And I assume it's easy enough to modify an existing GRUB to reach inside the LVM to boot the new partitions? |
| 05:25.22 | peterS | BrownFrog: I don't think grub supports lvm. you still want a physical "/boot" partition to hold the grub files and kernels |
| 05:25.46 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: The kernel and GRUB have to be on a plain partition, but the initramfs handles a root filesystem that's in LVM |
| 05:25.48 | peterS | but of course that's like 50 MB or less, not that big of a deal to have that sitting out there |
| 05:26.18 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: That's a problem though; if I have to have 15 /boot partitions, that doesn't help with my problem |
| 05:26.46 | peterS | BrownFrog: how do you manage 15 /boot partitions anyway? I mean, like, which one takes control of the system when you cold boot? |
| 05:26.54 | peterS | and how does it hand off control to the others? |
| 05:26.58 | BrownFrog | peterS: My main GRUB is on a mini partition of 2GB, with just command-line tools on it, for rescue purposes and my main GRUB |
| 05:27.30 | BrownFrog | peterS: The main GRUB then chainloads into the other GRUB's, which are all installed on the disto's home partition |
| 05:28.00 | BrownFrog | peterS: /dev/hda1 is my one and only partition with Debian STABLE on it; I don't want to lose it ;) |
| 05:28.19 | peterS | grub chainloading grub ... ick. I guess if you insist on installing so many OSes that you'll be too busy rebooting between systems to actually get any work done on your computer, that might actually be the least painful way to do it |
| 05:28.43 | BrownFrog | peterS: lol as I said, it's a hobby of mine |
| 05:28.53 | peterS | and that's what I don't get about you "600 distributions on one machine" guys. you have to keep rebooting all the time. that would drive me nuts, I'm used to going 3 months between reboots |
| 05:28.57 | jetscreamer | grub can just boot any kernel on any partition |
| 05:29.01 | BrownFrog | peterS: When I want to do work, I stay in Debian 32-bit or in Windows |
| 05:29.09 | jetscreamer | where is groot though |
| 05:29.59 | BrownFrog | peterS: I tend to "test out" a distro for a week or two, then if it works reasonably well, keep it |
| 05:30.00 | peterS | BrownFrog: I'd suggest putting all your other grubs in subdirectories of the one /boot partition. that seems more scalable. the only problem there is convincing stubborn linux installers to play ball |
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| 05:30.14 | BrownFrog | peterS: It's to Debian's credit that it usually seems to be the one I always come back to |
| 05:30.30 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: btw, if you don't mind using non-free(-as-in-speech) software, VMware Server is free(-as-in-beer) |
| 05:30.32 | deadcat | are there usb sound card that works on linux? |
| 05:30.35 | witless | i'm looking for a debian VPS hosting provider. are any virtualization technologies generally considered superior/inferior, eg virtuozzo, xen, uml, etc ..? |
| 05:30.36 | deadcat | cheqp |
| 05:30.47 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: You could just install VMware on your stable system and run all your other distros within it |
| 05:30.48 | peterS | witless: xen is all the rage these days |
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| 05:31.00 | peterS | uml is totally 2002 |
| 05:31.06 | deadcat | whats xen? |
| 05:31.14 | stoned | oh geez I think I swallowed broken glass by accident |
| 05:31.15 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Yeah, I thought about virtualization, but even with my reasonably fast/modern hardware (Athlon 64 X2 3800+), it seems slow |
| 05:31.17 | witless | hehe ok |
| 05:31.21 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Maybe I'm just picky that way |
| 05:31.44 | witless | how about providers? are there any known good-guys out there? |
| 05:31.47 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: (Albeit I've only tried VirtualBox [as I believe it's called], not VMware yet) |
| 05:31.48 | stoned | oh nm its just cracked |
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| 05:33.15 | BrownFrog | peterS: And you hit the nail on the head there; Debian and Gentoo are very flexable with that, but I'm not sure how, say, openSuSE could be configured to use a custom GRUB location |
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| 05:33.41 | BrownFrog | peterS: And doesn't GRUB itself only look at (hdX,Y)/ and (hdX,Y)/boot? |
| 05:34.21 | peterS | BrownFrog: I guess when it's having you mount filesystems, you drop to a shell and mount /dev/grubdev as "/foo" and then run something like 'mkdir /boot/opensuse; mount --bind /foo/boot/opensuse /boot' - then tell it to continue |
| 05:34.47 | peterS | BrownFrog: your master grub could just load kernels out of the subdirectories, no need to worry about the chain-grubs at all, you just ignore those |
| 05:35.11 | BrownFrog | peterS: That's true; that only works if I don't change kernels too often, but thankfully, I don't ;) (If it ain't broke...) |
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| 05:35.49 | peterS | BrownFrog: yeah. the chain-grub approach I guess lets each OS have some autonomy in its boot process, but it does come at the expense of needing a little partition for each one |
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| 05:36.26 | BrownFrog | peterS: With LVM at any rate, yeah (with no LVM, it works just fine having no separate /boot partition) |
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| 05:36.50 | peterS | BrownFrog: oh, true - without lvm you need those separate partitions _anyway_ so I guess the price in that case had already been paid |
| 05:37.03 | BrownFrog | peterS: Yup |
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| 05:38.14 | BrownFrog | peterS: So I guess that, with LVM, each distro will *think* it has its own /boot (and actually it will, it will just never be used), but my master /dev/hda1 GRUB will be controlling it all |
| 05:39.05 | Acu | guys I have a stupid question - why debian doesnot promote as first web browser choice Firefox? - and if it is renamed - why is not then configured to play multimedia (at least with wathever player and codecs are "legal" and open source ? |
| 05:39.06 | peterS | BrownFrog: basically. the other problem would be convincing your average Linux installer to use a preexisting LVM volume group and put its partition(s) inside it as logical volumes. that's the sort of use case a lot of installers probably didn't take into account |
| 05:39.30 | peterS | Acu: why _should_ debian promote firefox? it is not the best browser for everybody |
| 05:39.54 | Azar | stoned ! |
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| 05:40.00 | stoned | hello |
| 05:40.11 | peterS | Debian has probably a dozen web browsers. each one exists because some people think it's the best one for their needs. I am not convinced that firefox is better than all the others for a majority of people |
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| 05:40.14 | BrownFrog | peterS: Yeah, 600-distro people like me are not too common as you mentioned, and without that, no need for LVM (though it sounds nifty in any case) |
| 05:40.15 | Azar | honorable stoned I have good news for you |
| 05:40.21 | stoned | yessir? |
| 05:40.34 | Azar | stoned: Dell CEO Resigns, Michael Dell Returns |
| 05:40.43 | Azar | you can go back now, gonna be ok |
| 05:40.51 | stoned | Michael Dell is an evil motha fucka |
| 05:41.01 | peterS | BrownFrog: well, debian-installer will set up LVM for you. but even debian-installer might have some trouble detecting someone else's existing VG and putting its root volume inside that. I have not tested this. I could be wrong, it might work brilliantly. |
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| 05:41.08 | Azar | :) aww maybe he was the good one before |
| 05:41.34 | Acu | peterS: that's a vague answer - when you write your code for websites many times you need to customize it for all browsers - to my knowledge none of the other debian browsers are considered - firefox is open source and is spreading fast forcing some standards |
| 05:41.35 | stoned | I'm installing The Matrix: Path ofNeo |
| 05:41.42 | stoned | it is supposed to a good game |
| 05:41.44 | Azar | wow nice |
| 05:41.53 | Azar | I got music for it if you want it |
| 05:41.59 | stoned | what? |
| 05:42.04 | Azar | the bg music |
| 05:42.07 | Azar | of Matrix |
| 05:42.12 | stoned | unless you got some kicking dnb or some hardcore technical death metal |
| 05:42.13 | BrownFrog | peterS: Yeah, I have a feeling this will either work brilliantly or bomb bigtime; I'm hopeing the former ;) |
| 05:42.22 | stoned | I won't listen to much else while playing this game |
| 05:42.26 | peterS | Acu: customize a site for all browsers? bah, just use w3c standards and don't worry about which browser your user is using. if your site is standards-compliant it _should not matter_. if you then have to warn users that they might experience bugs in their browser, fine, do that |
| 05:42.32 | Azar | hmmm |
| 05:42.38 | Wyzard | peterS, BrownFrog: You can make Debian use existing LVM stuff if you choose the "manual partitoning" step... in the partitioner, choose the "configure LVM" option and then just exit the LVM menu, and it'll recognize your existing LVs |
| 05:43.04 | peterS | BrownFrog: so there you have it, Wyzard reports that debian can use an existing VG. who knows if other distribution installers can do the same. |
| 05:43.06 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: That's good; now I hope that the other distros can be as accomodating! |
| 05:43.09 | stoned | I'm not happy with my system Azar |
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| 05:43.49 | stoned | I got like 3.5Ghz stable with different ram, but i only got 512 of it. and my vram is only 256mb and I think someof my games need a bit more than 256 |
| 05:43.52 | Azar | why not? |
| 05:44.22 | stoned | I think I'm gonna sell this system, and go make me a 4ghz c2d with a 512mb/48 pipeline card |
| 05:44.35 | stoned | I tried my first ati (x1900xt) and I don'tlike it |
| 05:44.38 | BrownFrog | peterS, Wyzard: Ubuntu can use d-i (at least for now), so it should be no problem either |
| 05:44.40 | stoned | I think i'll go back with nvidia |
| 05:44.43 | Azar | ah, this box is home made has 512 ram but the new one sitting unused under the table has 1 gig ram |
| 05:44.46 | stoned | nvidia doesn't give me shit under debian |
| 05:44.49 | peterS | Acu: your kind of thinking leads sites like amazon to pop up a dialog box warning me that my browser doesn't seem to be firefox/opera/MSIE and things might not work. yet things seem to work anyway, because my browser follows the relevant standards, or at least close enough. |
| 05:44.52 | stoned | ati is a piece of crap when it comes to linux |
| 05:44.57 | Azar | yep nvidia is workable |
| 05:45.09 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: yeah, the "alternate" install CD literally *is* D-I |
| 05:45.12 | azahid | i am new to debian and have a question on apt sources.lst. Is deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free is same as deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free? Isn't it better to use 'tesing' as a name instead of etch; that way i don'y have to change the sources.lst in the future? |
| 05:45.13 | peterS | BrownFrog: yeah, since the ubuntu installer is based on debian-installer, I'd expect most things that work in debian-installer to work in the ubuntu installer |
| 05:45.16 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: dunno about Fedora/SuSe/etc. though |
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| 05:45.19 | stoned | Azar: 3.5ghz stable from e6300 :) |
| 05:45.24 | Azar | stoned: all my boxes are designed to work on almost any OS |
| 05:45.31 | BrownFrog | peterS, Wyzard: Gentoo...well, that will keep its own partition in any case; yup, it's the RPM-based distros I'd worry about |
| 05:45.35 | blame | hello, can anyone please help me setup my wireless wpc54g pcmcia card for internet access? |
| 05:45.41 | stoned | Azar: I have a few linux boxes i keep a windows box handy for gaming |
| 05:45.43 | Wyzard | azahid: If you want to continue running testing ("lenny") when etch is released, yes |
| 05:45.45 | stoned | compatability etc. |
| 05:46.20 | Wyzard | azahid: If you want to stay with etch when it's released, so that you're using the stable release at that point, keep "etch" there |
| 05:46.31 | jetscreamer | lenny? |
| 05:46.39 | Azar | I am picky when it comes at gaming: I need a huge TV screen a big couch front of it and remote controls... nothing less |
| 05:46.40 | Wyzard | the name of etch+1, I've heard |
| 05:46.42 | jetscreamer | omg how ghey |
| 05:46.46 | peterS | jetscreamer: right, lenny is the release after etch |
| 05:46.49 | Wyzard | It was mentioned here not long ago |
| 05:46.49 | azahid | ok. thanks |
| 05:46.54 | Azar | lenny sounds cool |
| 05:47.08 | jetscreamer | lini |
| 05:47.15 | jetscreamer | linix |
| 05:47.41 | jetscreamer | s'ok |
| 05:47.44 | kcarun | Hi all sorry to disturb you ! I have one simple question that which browser supports spell check? |
| 05:47.46 | Azar | I like lenny better than etch |
| 05:47.47 | jetscreamer | sid |
| 05:48.02 | BrownFrog | blame: From a quick Googling: http://www.linuxcompatible.org/thread28636-1.html |
| 05:48.04 | peterS | lenny lenni lenné |
| 05:48.12 | BrownFrog | blame: (look about 3/4 the way down the page) |
| 05:48.22 | BrownFrog | blame: It's a Broadcom chipset, apparently |
| 05:48.31 | jetscreamer | lenni lenni len-eye |
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| 05:50.09 | blame | BrownFrog it is indeed, Im reading trough this but cant be certain which of those things apply to my case exactly, can you help me assess please? |
| 05:50.54 | BrownFrog | blame: I can do my best, but I have an Atheros chipset wifi card, so am not intimately familiar with it; what's your question? |
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| 05:51.08 | zee568 | hi |
| 05:51.16 | zee568 | anyone ever setup l2ptns |
| 05:51.18 | zee568 | ? |
| 05:52.04 | maddash | lenny's out? |
| 05:52.16 | peterS | maddash: what? weren't you listening to me an hour ago? |
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| 05:52.34 | peterS | maddash: I explained that lenny will probably be released about 18 months after etch is, and etch will be released probably next month |
| 05:52.35 | maddash | peterS: of course. which is why I asked |
| 05:52.48 | maddash | 00:47:46 <Azar> I like lenny better than etch |
| 05:52.55 | peterS | maddash: oh he just means the name |
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| 05:53.11 | jetscreamer | lol@18months |
| 05:53.18 | maddash | peterS: shucks. i had my hopes up for a second |
| 05:53.19 | b0xii | lenny? |
| 05:53.25 | Wyzard | peterS: "next month" meaning February or March? |
| 05:53.27 | g333k_laptop | hello hi do I check the integrity of my filesystem? |
| 05:53.34 | peterS | yeah |
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| 05:53.43 | danf_1979 | what is lenny? |
| 05:53.45 | jetscreamer | shutdown -Fr now or unmount it and fsck it |
| 05:53.47 | maddash | g333k_laptop: assuming ext2/3 fs, use e2fsck |
| 05:54.07 | g333k_laptop | maddash, e2fck /dev/hda ? |
| 05:54.16 | peterS | danf_1979: something that doesn't exist yet. the release after debian 4.0 "etch". |
| 05:54.16 | jetscreamer | you can just type fsck /dev/whatever |
| 05:54.28 | maddash | g333k_laptop: are you using ext2/3? |
| 05:54.33 | b0xii | oh, thought that was sid |
| 05:54.36 | g333k_laptop | jetscreamer, my hda is busy |
| 05:54.41 | jetscreamer | you do need to unmount it |
| 05:54.47 | peterS | no, sid will never be released, it just spawns other releases like etch and lenny |
| 05:54.51 | jetscreamer | or do shutdown -Fr now |
| 05:54.57 | g333k_laptop | jetscreamer, how.. I'm inside de system |
| 05:54.58 | danf_1979 | When etch is released, then etch will be stable, SID still unstable, and who'll be testing? |
| 05:55.02 | b0xii | gotcha |
| 05:55.04 | jetscreamer | or touch /forcefsck |
| 05:55.08 | Wyzard | danf_1979: lenny |
| 05:55.09 | peterS | danf_1979: lenny. as I just said. |
| 05:55.11 | Azar | stoned: try to see if you like this one: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/xr-game.zip |
| 05:55.15 | danf_1979 | Ok... |
| 05:55.17 | g333k_laptop | jetscreamer, its a ext3 fs |
| 05:55.26 | danf_1979 | Lenny is a testing copy? |
| 05:55.30 | maddash | danf_1979: a pair of binoculars. walking binoculars. |
| 05:55.32 | jetscreamer | g333k_laptop: if you want to fsck root do shutdown -Fr now |
| 05:55.43 | peterS | danf_1979: as I said, it does not exist yet. it will be testing after etch is released. |
| 05:55.55 | jetscreamer | /\ |
| 05:56.39 | Azar | curly moe and toe |
| 05:56.43 | jetscreamer | there are 3 categories, unstable, testing and stable, and the releases that are assigned to each category have code names |
| 05:56.48 | Azar | sarge etch and sid |
| 05:56.58 | jetscreamer | atm sid etch sarge.. but sid's name never changes |
| 05:57.07 | jetscreamer | or sid never moves |
| 05:57.14 | jetscreamer | or something |
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| 05:57.33 | jetscreamer | /end noobtalk |
| 05:57.43 | jetscreamer | err noobspeak |
| 05:58.01 | danf_1979 | ;) |
| 05:58.14 | danf_1979 | I just got etch yesterday |
| 05:59.07 | maddash | isn't sid the crazy sadistic kid? |
| 05:59.12 | Wyzard | yep |
| 05:59.12 | peterS | yes |
| 05:59.15 | markybob | anyone know of any good code morphing c programs? code morphing as defined by wikipidia, not transmeta's thing :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscated_code |
| 05:59.22 | peterS | maddash: he breaks toys. hence, debian unstable. |
| 06:00.20 | maddash | peterS: way to name a debian release. |
| 06:00.28 | BrownFrog | peterS, maddash: Though ironically, I generally find Sid to be more stable than most RPM-based distros ;) |
| 06:00.32 | rpc | anyone using virtualbox? |
| 06:00.33 | Azar | damn I need to move to another state, California gets in the dark |
| 06:00.46 | peterS | maddash: technically sid isn't a release - it's never-will-be-released. |
| 06:00.52 | rpc | Azar what's wroing with cali, btw? :) |
| 06:00.53 | peterS | but I know what you mean |
| 06:00.57 | markybob | Azar, i moved from san diego to chicago. every day of my life i regret that move |
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| 06:01.15 | maddash | peterS: I can't wait until rc3.40 or something - when they run out of names and have to resort to calling the next one "troll" |
| 06:01.27 | Azar | BrownFrog: No wonder coming from a ex-gentoobie I am sure you like playing with sid rather than stay with stable/testing |
| 06:01.35 | peterS | BrownFrog: well there are 2 definitions for 'stable'. one is 'never breaks', the other is 'never changes'. of course debian stable is supposed to be both. but unstable is called that specifically because it 'changes often' rather than because it 'breaks often' |
| 06:01.50 | Azar | markybob: don't cry, this is on the news: California Proposes to Ban Incandescent Lightbulbs |
| 06:01.54 | zee568 | is there l2tpd package for debian sarge? |
| 06:02.01 | BrownFrog | Azar: Well, I'm not an ex-gentoobie per-se; my first distro was actually Mandrake (yes, Mandrake, not Mandriva) |
| 06:02.06 | maddash | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Troll |
| 06:02.10 | rpc | Azar err? |
| 06:02.15 | zee568 | rerr |
| 06:02.21 | BrownFrog | Azar: I only tried Gentoo *after* Debian (or actually, Libranet) |
| 06:02.30 | Wyzard | Azar: Nothing wrong with that... you can already buy more energy-efficient bulbs that screw into standard sockets in place of incandescents |
| 06:02.31 | markybob | Azar, i saw. i actually think that's a Good Thing. like mandating by law that people wear seat belts. helps everyone |
| 06:02.36 | peterS | maddash: lenny will probably be the last toy story name. the only other character in the toy story movie who actually had lines (other than Andy, perhaps) is the radio-controlled car known as 'RC Buggy'. we can't call a release Debian Buggy. people would get the wrong idea. |
| 06:02.53 | Azar | BrownFrog: sorry if I tend to stereotype but the freedoms a gentoo user takes to tweak around is only happy working on an unstable environment |
| 06:03.04 | maddash | peterS: haha. |
| 06:03.04 | Wyzard | peterS: lol |
| 06:03.20 | peterS | maddash: we've already used: buzz rex bo hamm slink potato woody sarge etch lenny |
| 06:03.56 | Wyzard | There's always Toy Story 2... that had new characters, right? |
| 06:04.03 | Azar | Wyzard: nobody yet thinks at the thousands of tons of paper California wastes with aggresive mailing advertisement, now THAT would make a difference if they would ban it |
| 06:04.04 | rpc | ok can someone please tell me if it's possible to install win2k on a remote debian box using virtualbox? i can't access that box physically and all i can do is upload the damn win iso in there |
| 06:04.22 | BrownFrog | Azar: No problem :) I like sid not because of the freedom aspect (though it's nice), but because I like to use the latest versions of software, as long as it doesn't break down too often |
| 06:04.28 | peterS | maddash: actually it gets better: for the purpose of figuring out when to release, we label specific bugs as "release-critical", so an "RC bug" is one we're supposed to not have any of in the release. thus "Debian RC Buggy" is even worse than "Debian Buggy" |
| 06:04.31 | Azar | Wyzard: awww, saw it at least 3 times |
| 06:04.36 | BrownFrog | Azar: If sid really broke as much as its reputed to, I'd be using Etch instead |
| 06:04.55 | Wyzard | rpc: I believe VirtualBox is for running virtual machines locally, not remote administration |
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| 06:05.17 | rpc | Wyzard mmmmh |
| 06:05.41 | maddash | peterS: so what happens after the toy story references are depleted? |
| 06:05.46 | BrownFrog | Azar: Sid, running for ages no problem for me; Fedora, stuff crashes all the time. I really don't get it. I guess the Debian maintainers are just that good. |
| 06:05.53 | BrownFrog | maddash: I've heard rumors of a Toy Story 3 ;) |
| 06:06.17 | peterS | maddash: the release managers, who have way too much work and way too little glory -- well, one of their privileges is choosing release names. they'll decide. they might move on to Toy Story 2 characters, or they might do something completely different. |
| 06:06.21 | Azar | BrownFrog: the packaging thing is good in debian, aptitude too |
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| 06:06.31 | maddash | BrownFrog: sadly, "This is a list of characters from the Disney/Pixar films, Toy Story, Toy Story 2, and Toy Story 3." (cf the previous wikipedia link) |
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| 06:07.01 | peterS | maddash: you should've seen Steve Langasek, one of the release managers, at the last debian conference, announce that one of the last TS character names was RC Buggy. the room exploded in laughter. |
| 06:07.03 | BrownFrog | maddash: oops, didn't notice that |
| 06:07.09 | Azar | Debian is saving the forgotten toys |
| 06:07.23 | Wyzard | ...as long as they don't move on to naming releases after DBZ characters |
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| 06:07.33 | peterS | Wyzard: that seems more a gentoo thing to do |
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| 06:07.52 | Wyzard | lol... Debian Goku |
| 06:07.53 | Azar | gentoo should use beast wars characters hehe |
| 06:08.20 | peterS | Wyzard: shhh, make sure you don't insult buu in this channel |
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| 06:08.27 | theblue | ? |
| 06:08.33 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 06:08.34 | Azar | which in fact was my first favorite animated movie |
| 06:09.14 | BrownFrog | Azar: Actually, the *one* thing unstable I've seen lately is any Gecko-based browser (Ice*, Epiphany) crashing on webmail.aol.com; that doesn't happen to me on any other distro, so perhaps I should file a bug |
| 06:10.33 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: I don't have an account there so I can't log in, but Epiphany doesn't crash for me on the front page, FWIW |
| 06:11.22 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Nah, not the front page; it crashes after you log in, just before it would show your actual mail |
| 06:11.26 | Wyzard | ah |
| 06:11.40 | Wyzard | You could use strace to investigate that |
| 06:11.41 | Azar | bugs yeeee file bugs !! |
| 06:12.22 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: I suppose I could try :) |
| 06:12.25 | Azar | ati still does not help with linux drivers bah |
| 06:12.40 | maddash | "debian stabler." lol. |
| 06:13.48 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Gah, this is just like taking a car into an auto mechanic; the one time I *want* it to crash it doesn't |
| 06:14.01 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Perhaps a recent update fixed it or something |
| 06:14.37 | Wyzard | peterS: You know, regarding "RC Buggy", that'd be a good name for a place to move packages in testing that have unfixed RC bugs, rather than just removing them entirely :-) |
| 06:14.55 | rpc | lmao: http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/vbox_under_vista_in_vbox_under_xp.png |
| 06:15.05 | rpc | now this is absolutely crazy :) |
| 06:15.10 | peterS | Wyzard: I don't see much benefit, let people use unstable and pin their crap |
| 06:15.30 | Wyzard | peterS: Nor do I, but it'd be a fitting application of that last name |
| 06:15.37 | peterS | yeah, I guess (: |
| 06:16.04 | maddash | !vbox |
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| 06:16.22 | Wyzard | rpc: Interesting... VMware can't be nested like that |
| 06:16.38 | Wyzard | rpc: though I don't see why one would want to do that anyway |
| 06:16.44 | maddash | whoa...so vbox is like a richman's replacement to wine? |
| 06:17.00 | Wyzard | maddash: more like a VMware alternative, I think |
| 06:17.01 | rpc | Wyzard well just for the damn fun of it :) |
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| 06:17.16 | rpc | maddash it's not... it's a full blown windose machine |
| 06:17.20 | rpc | or else :) |
| 06:17.26 | Wyzard | maddash: It doesn't reimplement Windows; it just lets you run a real copy of Windows in a virtual machine |
| 06:17.53 | maddash | rpc,wyzard: that's hot. maybe it'll let me finally run autocad inside debian. |
| 06:18.01 | rpc | now i only need to know if i would be able to run a vbox on a remote host assuming that i'm able to hook up to its X session remotely |
| 06:18.12 | rpc | maddash it will, why not |
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| 06:18.26 | Wyzard | maddash: You could probably do that already with VMware |
| 06:18.28 | rpc | maddash i'mn getting ready to try it myself, especially as it's free like a bird |
| 06:18.44 | rpc | i read up that vbox runs faster than vmware.. which is really amasing |
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| 06:19.14 | Wyzard | rpc: It probably requires a processor with virtualization support, then |
| 06:19.26 | rpc | Wyzard hm why? |
| 06:19.58 | rpc | http://www.virtualbox.org/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/virtual-disk-image-manager.png |
| 06:20.02 | rpc | now that's really crazy |
| 06:20.14 | rpc | you can use isos instead of real cds... |
| 06:20.25 | Wyzard | rpc: As I understand it, most of VMware's performance hit comes from the hacks it has to use to fool the guest OS into thinking it's running on real hardware, like trapping certain CPU instructions and emulating them rather than letting them execute natively |
| 06:20.41 | rpc | Wyzard of that you mean |
| 06:20.42 | rpc | oh* |
| 06:20.45 | maddash | Wyzard: vmware isn't free... |
| 06:21.06 | lncast | didnt vmware report that the virtualization instructiosn result in slower performance? |
| 06:21.18 | Wyzard | rpc: The hardware virtualization support in newer processors lets the hypervisor set things up so that running those instructions natively will do the right thing, so they don't need to be trapped and emulated |
| 06:21.20 | lncast | intel wasn't aiming for speed, they were aiming for correctness afaik |
| 06:21.33 | rpc | Wyzard very smart thing in fact |
| 06:22.21 | Wyzard | lncast: I haven't heard anything like that, but that's not to say it's untrue |
| 06:23.01 | Wyzard | grr... I bought spare batteries for my cordless keyboard and now I can't find them :-/ |
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| 06:23.15 | lncast | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/12/2028223 |
| 06:23.26 | lncast | 'Those you keeping up with the latest virtualization techniques being offered by both Intel and AMD will be interested in a new white paper by VMWare that comes to the surprising conclusion that hardware-assisted x86 virtualization oftentimes fails to outperform software-assisted virtualization. ' |
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| 06:24.02 | lncast | ahh, maybe not slower. just sometimes slower, but then /. article summaries are someone *cough* wrong at times |
| 06:24.33 | rpc | but damn it, it won't work on debian sarge |
| 06:25.40 | lncast | i do like vmware. shame its only free as in beer [gsx,player] |
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| 06:27.05 | Wyzard | I pirated Workstation for several years when I was in college and then bought a license when I graduated and got a job and could afford it |
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| 06:27.11 | Wyzard | It's worth it IMO |
| 06:27.16 | linux_jones | is there a way to remote desktop into a windows box from debian? |
| 06:27.34 | Wyzard | linux_jones: See the "rdesktop" package, and "tsclient" for a nice GUI frontend to it |
| 06:27.51 | Wyzard | linux_jones: It's very similar to the Windows Remote Desktop client |
| 06:27.52 | linux_jones | Wyzard, thanks |
| 06:28.05 | rpc | anyone running virtualbox on sarge? |
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| 06:29.49 | JeffH | still no etch in stable eh? |
| 06:30.37 | lncast | JeffH: ...etch isn't stable, no. |
| 06:31.09 | linux_jones | what do people mean when they say its frozen |
| 06:31.30 | Wyzard | Packages don't automatically propagate to testing from unstable anymore |
| 06:31.35 | JeffH | I'd ask when but I'm sure some smart ass will just say 'when its ready'. |
| 06:31.38 | Wyzard | only for bugfixes |
| 06:31.57 | Wyzard | During a freeze the focus is on fixing all RC bugs rather than adding new software and new versions |
| 06:32.22 | dendrite | linux_jones: A freeze is sometimes known as a "feature freeze." |
| 06:32.28 | lncast | JeffH: what other possible answer can one give? |
| 06:32.32 | linux_jones | so that just means its getting close |
| 06:32.36 | bucky | i use etch... it won't be much different when it does go stable |
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| 06:33.29 | lncast | indeed. read the release blocking bug list, notice it probably doesnt effect you, and install etch :) |
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| 06:35.39 | JeffH | lncast: how about a little project management and planning to come to a date then stick to that date? |
| 06:35.46 | linux_jones | do i have to set up remote desktop on the windows computer? |
| 06:35.59 | Wyzard | JeffH: What happens if you reach that date and there are still some RC bugs? |
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| 06:36.45 | JeffH | ship it.. then patch it later. |
| 06:36.58 | linux_jones | thats the windows method |
| 06:37.17 | JeffH | hm.. 90+% market share... must work.. |
| 06:37.18 | Wyzard | That leads to people burning (and even pressing) install CDs with known RC bugs on them |
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| 06:38.13 | linux_jones | that depends on how you define "work" |
| 06:39.13 | deadcat | are there usb sound card that works on linux? |
| 06:39.18 | JeffH | dates are good for accountability.. otherwise very little would get done. |
| 06:39.31 | lncast | JeffH: given the choice between releasing something that's broken, and something late, there's nothing wrong with late - its not like sarge is going to break, |
| 06:40.03 | dendrite | JeffH: In fact, all the perfectly happy Sarge admins would probably rather see Etch delayed. |
| 06:40.20 | dendrite | JeffH: Since oldstable is supported for only a year... |
| 06:40.25 | parsonsd | i dunno -- obsd keeps scheduled release dates..... |
| 06:40.32 | tarzeau | deadcat: check the alsa-project.org info for that? i guess so |
| 06:40.37 | whaq_ | i wonder how many _happy_ sarge admins there actually are.. |
| 06:40.41 | Wyzard | parsonsd: obsd also has a much smaller set of software to support |
| 06:41.08 | JeffH | software in sarge is ANCIENT! |
| 06:41.13 | dendrite | whaq_: Heh heh. Happy in the sense that Sarge doesn't take their attention away from deleting user accounts. =) |
| 06:41.21 | parsonsd | Wyzard - true. everything else is a port |
| 06:41.51 | lncast | i don't much want to upgrade my server from sarge to be honest, its working fine :\ |
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| 06:41.56 | parsonsd | Wyzard - but there are a lot of wacky drivers in there. :) |
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| 06:42.01 | whaq_ | dendrite: i used to be a happy woody admin... then the requirement grows.. and debian just doesn't catch up fast enough.. |
| 06:42.24 | dendrite | whaq_: Yeah, it's a balancing act. |
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| 06:43.38 | whaq_ | ubuntu seems to be a good middleground.. |
| 06:44.00 | Wyzard | Ubuntu is a good balance for desktops... not so much for servers |
| 06:44.18 | lncast | ubuntu is is too buggy for me. would rather use etch |
| 06:44.55 | dendrite | I sometimes get the sense that daemons and desktops should be on different release cycles. |
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| 06:44.58 | deadcat | etch rocks |
| 06:45.33 | g333k_laptop | hello, what happened with the "kdocker" pkg for testing? |
| 06:45.40 | dendrite | I also think that VM technology is changing the whole server upgrade thing... |
| 06:45.53 | whaq_ | maybe debian has to underline their niche (server) market bolder in their propagandas, so as to manage ppl's expectation better.. |
| 06:46.41 | dendrite | whaq_: A lot of folks wouldn't agree with your characterization of Debian as a server-only distro... |
| 06:47.33 | EdwardElric | hahah |
| 06:47.38 | Wyzard | Well, I think relatively few people run Debian *stable* on a desktop |
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| 06:47.40 | whaq_ | dendrite: well, i've been using debian for awhile (potato, woody, sarge) and on many boxes.. |
| 06:47.55 | EdwardElric | debian doesnt make a bad desktop really... |
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| 06:48.00 | EdwardElric | i run one |
| 06:48.08 | Wyzard | On centrally-managed desktops in a company, maybe, but not personally-owned systems, I'd imagine |
| 06:48.10 | EdwardElric | i started off running DSL... |
| 06:48.17 | EdwardElric | but then switched to Debian |
| 06:48.46 | whaq_ | it feels like running windows 98SE while XP or vista are out.. (in terms of features) |
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| 06:48.54 | parsonsd | Wyzard - i did for a long while -- i went to testing so i could get a hold of two or three packages |
| 06:49.11 | Wyzard | parsonsd: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 06:49.14 | parsonsd | EdwardElric - that is a very disconcerting comment. |
| 06:49.20 | EdwardElric | comparing it to windows...hehehe |
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| 06:49.42 | dendrite | EdwardElric: He was saying Sarge is backward like Win95 is. |
| 06:49.52 | parsonsd | Wyzard - i'll have to look it up. i don't even remember what it was that I wanted testing for... *shrug* |
| 06:50.06 | whaq_ | in terms of its features |
| 06:50.22 | concept10 | I need some opinions on something, specifically user interface. Would you guys hate an app that changed the default look of your window manager? (GTK) |
| 06:50.28 | parsonsd | i meant going from DSL to Debian.... |
| 06:50.34 | parsonsd | I don't even know what it means.... |
| 06:50.45 | whaq_ | no complaints whatsoever in regards to stability, package mangement, security patches and other things pertaining to core-OS functions.. |
| 06:50.48 | dendrite | concept10: Hate? Dunno. There would have to be a good reason. |
| 06:51.06 | concept10 | but also you have the option to customize the look |
| 06:51.10 | Acu | at times Debian as desktop needs adjustments more like Windows 3.11 - I think is so little difference between 98 and XP - |
| 06:51.13 | whaq_ | concept10: yeah. i'd be annoyed. |
| 06:51.18 | Wyzard | concept10: Are you talking about a GTK theme chooser? |
| 06:51.26 | Wyzard | concept10: Those already exist |
| 06:51.27 | g333k_laptop | !kdocker |
| 06:51.29 | dendrite | concept10: Video and graphics editors tend to have muted designs, so you can focus on the image your'e editing... |
| 06:51.29 | parsonsd | concept10 - i get aggravated that so many wms have started making things look like windows. |
| 06:51.49 | concept10 | Im talking about a GTK application that will have a different look than the rest of your apps |
| 06:51.57 | dendrite | concept10: Why? |
| 06:52.08 | concept10 | because im sick of this grey |
| 06:52.11 | parsonsd | concept10 - openlook was actually a look that i liked! (of course, that is a long time ago hazy Sun memory) |
| 06:52.19 | EdwardElric | parsonsd what i mean was, i liked DSL, but it wasnt very easy to keep updated...so i switched to Debian...this is an older machine... |
| 06:52.22 | dendrite | concept10: Then why not just change your overall theme? |
| 06:52.38 | concept10 | black is the new black.. I want my application to be black by default |
| 06:53.04 | concept10 | Im talking about one application black and the others normal color |
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| 06:53.19 | parsonsd | EdwardElric - i must have missed something cos all I could think of was DSL as it relates to an ISP. threw me for a loop! |
| 06:53.23 | dendrite | concept10: I bet you get email about it. :-) |
| 06:53.27 | EdwardElric | oh |
| 06:53.31 | EdwardElric | DamnSmall Linux |
| 06:53.36 | EdwardElric | hehe |
| 06:53.44 | Wyzard | concept10: so you want your program to use a specific GTK theme regardless of what theme everything else is using |
| 06:53.51 | parsonsd | EdwardElric oh. i see. makes a LOT more sense now... :-/ |
| 06:53.57 | EdwardElric | haha ;) |
| 06:53.58 | Wyzard | concept10: just because you think black looks nicer? |
| 06:54.02 | concept10 | Wyzard, exactly |
| 06:54.19 | dendrite | concept10: Sounds annoying. |
| 06:54.20 | Wyzard | concept10: If other users think black looks nicer they'll be using black themes already |
| 06:54.26 | parsonsd | concept10 - i'd like xmms to look more viewable.... :-/ |
| 06:54.26 | concept10 | Wyzard, I want to ship it black, but allow users to be able to change to what ever color |
| 06:54.32 | whaq_ | concept10: what's the application about? |
| 06:54.37 | Wyzard | concept10: Your app should use the theme the user has already selected as a preference |
| 06:54.41 | concept10 | xmms is only viewable double-size |
| 06:54.50 | Wyzard | concept10: Don't override the user's preferences with your own preferences |
| 06:54.56 | Acu | the disadvantage of open source is that is too scattered, redundant and at times too disorganized to maintain a good enough pace for ordinary users to accept it (in terms of learning curve) - I wonder what is the solution ? Is Canonical like appoach the best and most efficient approach ? |
| 06:54.58 | whaq_ | concept10: it reminds me of all those media players on windows and fruity instant messengers that come w/ their own themes |
| 06:54.59 | concept10 | whaq_, music app |
| 06:55.13 | whaq_ | concept10: oh hell, go for it then. the 'market' is already like that. |
| 06:55.19 | parsonsd | concept10: SOMEwhat viewable in doublesize. |
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| 06:55.35 | concept10 | Not Linux, except for XMMS and BMP |
| 06:55.52 | whaq_ | Acu: the solution is to look at it as it is... it's a huge development cycle that's not product-centric :) |
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| 06:56.31 | concept10 | XMMS2 is not going to be the same as the old version, and BMP just doesnt do what I want, but its coming along nicely |
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| 06:56.54 | Wyzard | concept10: Have you seen bmpx? |
| 06:57.05 | concept10 | Wyzard, yep, i meant bmpx |
| 06:57.14 | whaq_ | Acu: the customer is mostly mainly the developers themselves.. which definitely has a different priorities (skill sets, expectations, etc) than a 'normal' market defined by windows\apple computers.. |
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| 06:57.33 | Acu | whaq_: indeed in most of the cases is an esoteric exercise - but look there are one hundred text editors and openoffice and some very simple features are missing as everyone reinvents the universe |
| 06:57.44 | Wyzard | concept10: Anyway, yes, it would annoy me if an app ignored my configured GTK theme and went off using its own theme instead |
| 06:58.25 | concept10 | Wyzard, bmp is a gtk app with a different look |
| 06:58.31 | concept10 | dont you agree? |
| 06:58.52 | concept10 | There are too many music players on linux, I know this. But I none have what I call a 'master buss' |
| 06:59.08 | concept10 | except for xmms |
| 06:59.11 | whaq_ | Acu: thus the weakness of decentralized effort.. if only there's an agent that can focus the effort.. |
| 06:59.14 | concept10 | its the closet |
| 06:59.22 | Wyzard | concept10: bmp (not bmpx) doesn't really use GTK for its main UI... it's all custom-drawn, because it's cloning xmms/winamp |
| 06:59.25 | parsonsd | and xmms is a pain to use. |
| 06:59.44 | Wyzard | concept10: but bmp's "Open Files" dialog, for example, is a standard GTK dialog using the configured GTK theme |
| 06:59.54 | concept10 | Wyzard, okay |
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| 07:00.20 | concept10 | I also said that the user can pick what color he wants the app to be |
| 07:00.29 | concept10 | I just want to override the default look |
| 07:00.34 | karsten | Wyzard: Quod Libet Libet? |
| 07:00.44 | lncast | Acu: i agree completely. there should be only vim |
| 07:00.48 | Wyzard | concept10: The user already picked what color he wants the app to be, when he picked the color he wants *all* GTK apps to be, when he chose the theme |
| 07:01.12 | concept10 | I know consistency is a big topic |
| 07:01.13 | Wyzard | concept10: Why is this app so special that its theme needs to be configured separately? |
| 07:01.36 | Acu | whaq_ thats Shutelworth and Canonical, which is extraordinary - however I will stick with Debian - maybe I can "evanghelize" and get few more hundred users (future programers) and when I will run my own worldwide corporation I might do something more for Debian - |
| 07:01.39 | concept10 | Wyzard, just because I want to do that, I get sick of stock widgets |
| 07:01.52 | whaq_ | concept10: why don't you hide a switch, way deep in the preference to disable that feature? |
| 07:01.58 | Wyzard | If it's because *you* think black looks better, that's a non-reason -- you're forcing your own personal preference on users, overriding their own configured preferences |
| 07:02.27 | concept10 | whaq_, one again I said that users will be able to change it |
| 07:02.33 | peterS | concept10: the way to "override the default look" is to _change_ the default look. that is what theming is all about, and it is much bigger than your app. |
| 07:02.41 | whaq_ | Acu: i'll drink to that. the community needs more of that defnitely. |
| 07:02.45 | Wyzard | concept10: If you're doing custom-drawn stuff like bmp does, sure, custom-draw whatever you want |
| 07:03.10 | Wyzard | concept10: though it'd be a good idea to stick with the themed colors even if you don't use stock GTK widgets |
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| 07:03.24 | Wyzard | concept10: but if you use stock GTK widgets, do not override their theme |
| 07:03.40 | whaq_ | concept10: well, you have two options. make it fixed, and get the users who don't care about this. or give this option (albeit you hide it deep in pref) and gain the former audience AND those who also want to keep their desktop sane looking. |
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| 07:04.16 | whaq_ | concept10: in terms of mindshare, i really suggest option B. |
| 07:04.57 | whaq_ | it'll also help alleviate any technical\visual glitches since you can always drop back to 'default'.. |
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| 07:06.34 | concept10 | okay, look at the black equalizer gui in this screenshot http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3nd0.png |
| 07:06.36 | Acu | berfore I go to sleep I want to remind everyone that I am thinking to organize a WORLDWIDE DEBIAN ETCH INSTALLFEST and soon I am going to need some sugestions - we need to do that badly - Vista is receiveing so much fanfare about 64 bit - the problem is 4 years late - how ignorant the World is - and it is ONLY OUR GUILT - is as the cure for aging and cancer is out - but people do not know about it |
| 07:06.56 | concept10 | look at the GTK music player, looks boring as crap |
| 07:07.15 | parsonsd | concept10 - what is that one called? |
| 07:07.34 | concept10 | parsonsd, the music app or eq? |
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| 07:07.44 | whaq_ | Acu: put a tagline.. "64bit compliant since Y2K" or some such :> |
| 07:07.50 | parsonsd | concept10, the gtk music player name |
| 07:07.53 | Wyzard | concept10: partly because it's using an ugly theme... it'd look nicer with Clearlooks IMO |
| 07:08.06 | Wyzard | concept10: (which is why I have Clearlooks configured as my GTK theme, btw) |
| 07:08.15 | concept10 | parsonsd, gtk is exaile |
| 07:08.23 | concept10 | but all GTK players look the same |
| 07:08.30 | concept10 | just about |
| 07:08.55 | Acu | I am thinking: DEBIAN ETCH - POWER and FREEDOM! |
| 07:08.59 | concept10 | I want a custom GUI with knobs and other good stuff |
| 07:09.06 | Wyzard | concept10: Doesn't bother me... that screenshot looks similar to Quod Libet in album-view mode, and I like Quod Libet's UI |
| 07:09.16 | whaq_ | concept10: the gui is neat, but I question your taste in music (jk). |
| 07:09.22 | parsonsd | concept10 - gnome-cd would be nice if it would go back to cddb (or whichever db) on cd load, as it doesnt now. i play all variety of cds and they are all titled the same as the first. |
| 07:09.24 | concept10 | haha |
| 07:09.32 | Wyzard | concept10: If you're doing full custom-draw stuff then you're not really using GTK in the first place, at least not for the main UI |
| 07:09.33 | Acu | sorry Debian GNU/Linux - Power and Freedom |
| 07:09.41 | Wyzard | concept10: just for dialogs like "open file" |
| 07:10.11 | Wyzard | concept10: so you can be like xmms and bmp in that regard... but people who like visual consistency won't like the look of your app |
| 07:10.14 | whaq_ | and put 'I have a mancrush against Busta Rhyme' in the About window ;) |
| 07:10.25 | concept10 | lol |
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| 07:10.47 | concept10 | Wyzard, first off there will be no File, Edit, Help type menus |
| 07:11.29 | karsten | concept10: Sleazy, diseased, but with cool gimpish widgets? |
| 07:11.45 | karsten | concept10: WRT: but all GTK players look the same |
| 07:11.56 | Gokee2 | Does anyone here know of a way to play daisy fomatt book in linux? Such as the ones from http://www.rfbd.org? I have pooked around on google and came up with a lot a daisy stuff, even a daisy open source project. But have not found a daisy player. |
| 07:11.59 | concept10 | they do look the same |
| 07:12.21 | Wyzard | concept10: so you're throwing UI conventions and consistency out the window to make an app that looks pretty in screenshots |
| 07:12.23 | concept10 | I want icons across the top like Cocoa apps, no stupid file menus |
| 07:12.37 | Wyzard | concept10: You should do some reading, or take a class, on usability design |
| 07:12.42 | Gokee2 | format* |
| 07:13.02 | concept10 | Wyzard, and the whole gnome community needs to take that class with me |
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| 07:13.14 | Wyzard | concept10: The reason most apps have things like a File menu is because people are used to them... people know what sort of things to expect to find on the standard menus |
| 07:13.30 | Wyzard | concept10: People know what a button looks like, because it looks the same in all their apps |
| 07:14.03 | concept10 | Wyzard, well I will make it where you can hide that menu |
| 07:14.29 | dendrite | !start a UI design holy war |
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| 07:14.47 | concept10 | Wyzard, for example this app (on the right) looks decent: http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xfce010307ex3.png |
| 07:15.30 | Wyzard | concept10: Yes, it does look decent, and fairly intuitive |
| 07:15.54 | concept10 | Wyzard, thats Sonata, no File menu, etc .. Right click only |
| 07:15.57 | Wyzard | concept10: I see standard tabs there, and I'm familiar with tabs so I'd know intuitively how to navigate that program even though I've never used it before |
| 07:16.55 | Wyzard | concept10: However, if I wanted to open a Preferences window, I'd be a bit confused, because I'd expect that option to be on an Edit menu like it is in most other apps, and there's no such menu here |
| 07:17.19 | concept10 | Wyzard, thats where the icons across the top come in |
| 07:18.05 | Wyzard | concept10: but the icons are something new and unique -- you have to look at them and figure them out; there's no feeling of "oh, this is what I'm used to, I know how to do this already" |
| 07:18.42 | concept10 | Wyzard, I agree with that |
| 07:19.21 | Wyzard | concept10: You're saying that music players often look similar... they do, for the same reason that most TVs have their controls in a row of buttons on the bottom, and lightswitches almost universally follow the "up is on" convention, and digital watches from different manufacturers often have the same meanings for their buttons |
| 07:19.23 | concept10 | Wyzard, I guess its just me, I hate that File menu bar, I hate using it in ANY application |
| 07:19.52 | Wyzard | concept10: People feel comfortable using interfaces that are familiar to them, and people like using things they're comfortable with |
| 07:20.03 | parsonsd | i want pushbutton lightswitches to come back |
| 07:20.08 | concept10 | Wyzard, most Linux apps are just taking a generic page out of iTunes design, thats it |
| 07:20.26 | parsonsd | ...or windows design |
| 07:20.35 | parsonsd | why is there a menu labelled |
| 07:20.38 | Wyzard | concept10: That's because Apple did a pretty good job with the iTunes UI, and because a lot of people are familiar with iTunes |
| 07:20.41 | parsonsd | "help"? |
| 07:21.03 | concept10 | Wyzard, thats why im trying to follow Apples HIG and not GNOME HIG |
| 07:21.04 | parsonsd | why not something different? |
| 07:21.18 | Wyzard | parsonsd: I know, some of the "standard" menu options are kinda weird... like File/Quit and Edit/Preferences |
| 07:21.35 | concept10 | Wyzard, last screenie.. I want the app to look like this one: http://www.newsgator.com/img/ss/netnewswire-1.jpg |
| 07:22.17 | Wyzard | concept10: That app *does* have a menu bar... it's just at the top of the screen rather than the top of the app window, like all Mac apps |
| 07:22.30 | concept10 | Wyzard, yep, I know. |
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| 07:22.43 | Wyzard | GNOME doesn't do that; in a GNOME app you'd put that menu bar within the window |
| 07:23.24 | concept10 | Wyzard, I been having this debate for ages.. I work in a studio, and me and other engineers always have discussions about this. I hate people that have to go into the menu and search for an option |
| 07:23.48 | concept10 | I like to learn to control the appliation from the shortcut keys in that context |
| 07:23.49 | Wyzard | It's fine to turn to Apple's HIG in places where the GNOME HIG doesn't provide guidance, but don't try to make your app look and feel like a Mac app at the expense of making it look and feel *unlike* a GNOME app |
| 07:24.13 | Wyzard | concept10: Either that, or write it for OSX rather than GNOME, so that it can look and feel like a Mac app without being inconsistent with everything else |
| 07:24.58 | pstickne | I think Gnomes only requirements on HIG is removing all useful options ^^ |
| 07:24.58 | concept10 | Wyzard, I guess I just have to have a toggle on that menu, to hide it, like the GNOME terminal |
| 07:25.13 | concept10 | pstickne, great one, :) |
| 07:25.18 | Wyzard | Explicitly contradicting the GNOME UI conventions in a GNOME app defeats the whole purpose of having a HIG |
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| 07:25.55 | Wyzard | It's fine to have an option to hide the menubar as long as it defaults to showing it |
| 07:26.07 | concept10 | Wyzard, no one follows that much, thats the only thing I hate about the GNOME platform, they focus on usable, simple apps, and they still end up rubbish (sometimes) |
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| 07:26.57 | concept10 | Wyzard, but thanks for your opinions and insight |
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| 07:27.34 | Wyzard | You're right that the GNOME HIG isn't perfect, and you might consider joining the effort to improve it |
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| 07:28.09 | concept10 | Wyzard, do you use the GNOME terminal? |
| 07:28.15 | Wyzard | but I think following Apple UI conventions *at the expense* of GNOME UI conventions is counterproductive if you're trying to make an app that's usable to people accustomed to GNOME |
| 07:28.24 | Wyzard | concept10: Yep, I have three of them open right now |
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| 07:28.44 | concept10 | Do you have the File menu on? |
| 07:28.49 | Wyzard | yep |
| 07:29.02 | concept10 | right click and take it off |
| 07:29.20 | Wyzard | ok, done |
| 07:29.24 | Wyzard | It looks weird not having it there |
| 07:29.29 | concept10 | so less clutter, just a black terminal screen |
| 07:29.39 | concept10 | like xterm? |
| 07:29.41 | Wyzard | Well, mine's black-on-white, not white-on-black |
| 07:30.00 | concept10 | im cyan on black :) |
| 07:30.03 | Wyzard | but you call the menubar "clutter"... I don't see it as clutter |
| 07:30.14 | concept10 | I guess its just my opinon |
| 07:30.27 | PingFloyd | toolbars are more clutter |
| 07:30.27 | cyzie | hello, i have install 3945modules. now what i need to install in order to get the inet connection via wireless using gui ? |
| 07:30.42 | concept10 | +1 for less clutter! |
| 07:30.53 | Wyzard | It's certainly a matter of preference, and I see no problem with having an option to hide your toolbar, like gnome-terminal has |
| 07:31.01 | Wyzard | but it should default to shown, like it does in gnome-terminal |
| 07:31.21 | Wyzard | Let the user elect to violate UI conventions rather than violating them by default |
| 07:31.35 | PingFloyd | I use aterm these days since I needed something a little more zippy |
| 07:31.41 | concept10 | Xchat has the same options, you can remove all of that stuff, its better to me, nothing but text scrolling, no Menubar |
| 07:31.55 | PingFloyd | I like gnome terminal, but it's a bit demanding |
| 07:32.05 | Wyzard | I'm using xchat with it menubar visible |
| 07:32.14 | Wyzard | It's never even occurred to me to want to hide the menubar in xchat or gnome-terminal |
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| 07:32.43 | concept10 | Wyzard, you offer the option, im using it |
| 07:32.59 | concept10 | allows me more text on the screen |
| 07:33.01 | PingFloyd | I use aterm with screen |
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| 07:33.51 | PingFloyd | for irc, I'm using curses based irssi |
| 07:34.53 | concept10 | I saw Windows media player 10 and I thought it was slick, it was default black |
| 07:35.28 | Wyzard | That's also custom-drawn and inconsistent with other Windows apps |
| 07:35.38 | Wyzard | I haven't used WMP10, but I don't like the UI in 9 |
| 07:36.19 | concept10 | Wyzard, but I agree with you somewhat, when I used windows, i used to hate when apps switch the default look, but lately I think its good if you have a vision |
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| 07:39.03 | Wyzard | I don't like gmplayer's UI either... I prefer Totem even though gmplayer probably supports more media formats, because Totem looks like a GNOME app and gmplayer looks like an alien spaceship |
| 07:39.38 | PingFloyd | I hate gmplayer |
| 07:40.40 | PingFloyd | the whole idea of skins is the dumbest one ever invented |
| 07:40.46 | Wyzard | PingFloyd: well, per-app skins at least |
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| 07:40.57 | PingFloyd | whoever came up with the concept should be shot creating a UI idea that is the worst of both worlds |
| 07:40.58 | concept10 | I dont want to have a skin, I just want to get rid of the Menubar, and be able to override the color of the windows and widgets |
| 07:41.01 | Wyzard | Desktop-wide skins are called "themes" and they're a good thing :-) |
| 07:41.20 | PingFloyd | themes are ok |
| 07:41.28 | PingFloyd | but "skin" are gay as hell |
| 07:41.35 | Wyzard | concept10: Default to showing the menubar and using the themed colors, and provide options to hide the menu and change the colors if the user wants to |
| 07:41.38 | concept10 | Themes are great |
| 07:41.52 | PingFloyd | yeah, I actually like themes, because they save a lot of time |
| 07:41.54 | concept10 | Wyzard, thats what i'll do |
| 07:42.12 | Wyzard | concept10: You can even provide "color themes" in your app, pre-configured sets of colors that you've chosen to look nice, as long as the first (and default) color theme is "system colors" |
| 07:42.18 | PingFloyd | it's nice to have something close to how you like and you just need to do a couple of tweaks to it to get just how you want |
| 07:42.19 | concept10 | I wish you could change the individual colors of different apps |
| 07:42.32 | concept10 | PingFloyd, I agree |
| 07:42.46 | parsonsd | concept10 - set it to a .conf file and let someone save or modify with $EDITOR |
| 07:42.46 | PingFloyd | sets of colors in apps wouldn't bother me |
| 07:43.03 | PingFloyd | but what I hate is when they give something some assanine shape |
| 07:43.16 | concept10 | For example, app 1 uses gtk theme 1 and app2 uses gtk theme 2 |
| 07:43.24 | concept10 | running at the same time |
| 07:43.26 | PingFloyd | that finds a whole new high in wasting desktop space |
| 07:43.39 | PingFloyd | like gmplayer is a prime example |
| 07:43.43 | Wyzard | concept10: I would hate that... why would I want different apps to use different themes? |
| 07:43.49 | concept10 | hmm, i never seen that app before |
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| 07:44.16 | concept10 | Wyzard, just to be different |
| 07:44.51 | parsonsd | erg. totem doesn't handle RealVideo 4.0 |
| 07:45.00 | Wyzard | concept10: btw, you might want to take a look at the "Sweep" audio editor... it's a mix between GTK stock stuff and custom-drawn, but I like the way it provides color themes for the waveform display (since GTK themes don't provide for that sort of thing anyway) |
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| 07:45.19 | PingFloyd | having presets like that could be handy |
| 07:45.24 | concept10 | Wyzard, thanks for the recommendation |
| 07:45.35 | PingFloyd | sometimes I find that different theme lend better with different apps than others |
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| 07:45.54 | concept10 | PingFloyd, exactly, thats my point |
| 07:46.33 | PingFloyd | I think it would only be useful with the toolkit itself though, but the problem is that it would probably create more overhead |
| 07:46.38 | rpc | when ordering an AMD X2 4200+ based dedicated server, should i choose 32 or 64-bit debian 3.1? |
| 07:46.41 | concept10 | I have this mac theme in firefox because it gets rid of the menu bar |
| 07:46.42 | rpc | is there a diff? |
| 07:47.14 | concept10 | exactly 32 bits of diff |
| 07:47.17 | Wyzard | rpc: probably doesn't matter unless you're dealing with very large databases or something |
| 07:47.34 | concept10 | j/k :) |
| 07:47.35 | rpc | concept10 hm does it mean that 32-bit debian will run but won't make use of the dual core on amd? |
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| 07:47.51 | rpc | Wyzard hmm |
| 07:47.55 | concept10 | rpc, no it doesnt mean that |
| 07:47.57 | Wyzard | rpc: no, dual-core has nothing to do with 64-bit |
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| 07:48.09 | czr | how do I switch the console keyboard layout permanently? I have a friend with an us-keyboard and he selected finnish during installation. |
| 07:48.17 | rpc | honestly i just ordered 64-bit... and now i'm worried it wasn't all this good idea |
| 07:48.18 | czr | (console = text mode) |
| 07:48.19 | Wyzard | rpc: Dual-core is SMP... just install an SMP kernel |
| 07:48.31 | Wyzard | rpc: SMP works on both 32-bit and 64-bit |
| 07:48.45 | rpc | hm so perhaps i should decide on 32-bit debian after all... |
| 07:48.54 | Wyzard | Well, there's no harm in using 64 |
| 07:49.07 | Wyzard | It's better than having to reinstall later if you find you need it |
| 07:49.11 | rpc | how about software issues on 64bit? the one designed for 32bit |
| 07:49.16 | PingFloyd | doesn't using 64-bit induce more memory overhead? |
| 07:49.38 | czr | PingFloyd, it does |
| 07:49.41 | rpc | i'm basically wondering, if the box is 64-bit then is there a point in installing 32-bit debian on it? |
| 07:49.49 | Wyzard | I'm running a 64-bit desktop right now and the only compatibility issues I've encountered are with closed-source apps: there's no 64-bit Flash plugin, no 64-bit Java plugin, and no 64-bit Google Earth |
| 07:50.01 | Wyzard | None of those things are likely to matter on your server |
| 07:50.06 | rpc | mhm |
| 07:50.14 | rpc | uhh that's some good news then :) |
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| 07:50.38 | PingFloyd | I guess the big question is what's the advantage to going 64bit |
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| 07:50.52 | czr | PingFloyd, it's faster with a lot of workloads |
| 07:50.53 | rpc | anyway i'm surprised to hear that 64-bit distro has nothing to do with dual core, i was sure i would need one |
| 07:51.00 | czr | assuming the workloads are not I/O bound |
| 07:51.03 | rpc | czr is it? |
| 07:51.11 | Wyzard | Unless you're using apps that use very large amounts of memory or deal with very large files, there's not much difference |
| 07:51.24 | czr | rpc, depends on workloads obviously. as I just said |
| 07:51.27 | rpc | czr there is going to be some load for sure... then i'm glad i have decided on 64-bit |
| 07:51.31 | rpc | mysql especially |
| 07:51.33 | Wyzard | 64-bit can actually be slightly slower due to the overhead PingFloyd mentioned, though it's not likely to be enough of a difference to worry about |
| 07:51.48 | rpc | mhm |
| 07:51.55 | rpc | <--still confused |
| 07:51.56 | Wyzard | 64-bit isn't about speed, not directly |
| 07:52.20 | Wyzard | It enables programs that work with large data sets to use more efficient algorithms in some cases, algorithms that aren't possible on 32-bit systems |
| 07:52.30 | rpc | oh i read you |
| 07:53.07 | rpc | but can it be that some older programs will in fact run slower or not run at all? |
| 07:53.07 | Wyzard | most notably, random access on files bigger than 3GB can be done in a way that's much more efficient |
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| 07:53.28 | rpc | well this isn't something that i might need daily :) |
| 07:53.43 | czr | changing console keyboard layout permanently, anyone? |
| 07:54.13 | rpc | so what would you recommend if i had the choice of reinstalling that system? should i stay with 64bit debian or go to 32bit one? |
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| 07:55.10 | czr | nm (the keyb question), solved. |
| 07:55.26 | PingFloyd | czr: locales? |
| 07:55.40 | czr | PingFloyd, no. keyboard. |
| 07:55.46 | czr | anyhow, it's solved. nm. |
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| 07:56.13 | Wyzard|TP | grr... my keyboard batteries just died |
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| 07:56.55 | Wyzard|TP | rpc: anyway, large (multi-gigabyte) databases are a prime example of things that can benefit from 64-bit |
| 07:56.57 | rpc | Wyzard did you find the fresh batteries yet? |
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| 07:57.04 | Wyzard|TP | nope :-/ |
| 07:57.28 | rpc | hm so most likely i will never see any difference between 64 and 32-bit debian on that X2 cpu |
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| 07:58.05 | rpc | which is fair, unless i will step into compatibility problems with older software designed for 32-bit |
| 07:58.09 | sep | rpc, unless you use more then 4 GB ram, |
| 07:58.17 | rpc | i will use 2GB there |
| 07:58.45 | Wyzard|TP | You might find it to be slightly faster just because 32-bit Debian is compiled for compatibility with 486 processors, so can't use some of the features only found in newer processors |
| 07:58.53 | fantomas | Hi. I've installed debian on AMD Athlon 64 but can't find suitable kernel for this CPU. Do I need to some additional repository to apt? |
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| 07:59.24 | rpc | Wyzard so would you agree with my current choice of 64-bit debian? |
| 07:59.30 | Wyzard|TP | The 64-bit packages may be better optimized due to being able to take advantage of newer processor features; there's no such thing as a 64-bit 486 |
| 07:59.33 | sep | fantomas, you dont see any 2.6-k7- kernels ? |
| 07:59.44 | rpc | if not k8 |
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| 08:00.03 | Wyzard|TP | On the other hand, it might be slightly slower because 64-bit pointers take more space in the CPU cache so it's as if you have less cache |
| 08:00.12 | Wyzard|TP | I'm not sure which of those outweighs the other |
| 08:00.13 | rpc | Wyzard but are you sure that those old packages will run smoothly in 64-bit env? |
| 08:00.30 | Wyzard|TP | rpc: Well, you don't run 32-bit packages in 64-bit Debian... you run 64-bit packages |
| 08:00.39 | Wyzard|TP | which are the same software, but compiled natively for the 64-bit environment |
| 08:00.46 | rpc | mhm |
| 08:01.08 | Wyzard|TP | Unless you have to run closed-source programs that are only available as compiled 32-bit executables, there shouldn't be much difference in that regard |
| 08:01.08 | rpc | and what do i do if there is no 64-bit package? |
| 08:01.30 | rpc | hm nope, only open source |
| 08:01.44 | Wyzard|TP | You can run 32-bit programs if you have the necessary 32-bit libraries... amd64 Debian has packages with 32-bit versions of the core libraries, like libc and xlib |
| 08:01.46 | rpc | but then if i need a deb or two that is designed for 32-bit system... i can't use it |
| 08:01.48 | sep | rpc, then you must compile it yourself. just like any non packaged software. |
| 08:01.59 | rpc | sep hrhm :/ |
| 08:02.22 | Wyzard|TP | Within the Debian archive, there are very few packages that exist on i386 but not amd64 |
| 08:02.30 | Guerin | rpc: by and large, anything which will run in amd64 has been built |
| 08:02.42 | sep | rpc, but since your not using 4 GB ram, and i assume you dont do too much random access in >3GB files you gain nothing from using 64bit :) |
| 08:02.54 | Guerin | rpc: those few which are missing from the amd64 arch are generally things which are broken on 64\-bit |
| 08:02.58 | Wyzard|TP | If you're talking about third-party unofficial debs, that's a possibility, but I think all the major third-party repositories (like backports and debian-multimedia) have 64-bit stuff |
| 08:03.01 | rpc | you are of a great help guys, seriously |
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| 08:03.36 | Wyzard|TP | All in all, the choice of 32 or 64 isn't likely to make a big difference in most cases |
| 08:03.40 | rpc | sep i might add some mem in the near future so it would be 4GB |
| 08:03.46 | concept10 | Wyzard, this one looks nice: http://www.potionfactory.com/tangerine/ |
| 08:04.02 | rpc | but all in all... if i chose 32-bit i would loose nothing it seems :) |
| 08:04.04 | Wyzard|TP | Personally I'd choose 64 just because even if you don't need it now, you might find that you need it later |
| 08:04.16 | Wyzard|TP | right... 32 would most likely be fine |
| 08:04.32 | rpc | but still 64 won't hurt so can stay as well :) |
| 08:04.36 | Wyzard|TP | btw, the limit isn't 4GB of physical RAM, it's 4GB of memory (actually 3GB effectively, I believe) used by an individual process |
| 08:04.47 | Wyzard|TP | You can have up to 64GB physical, but no process can use more than 4 of it |
| 08:04.48 | Guerin | concept10: god, that looks evil |
| 08:05.00 | rpc | oh i read you Wyzard |
| 08:06.04 | pstickne | 64-bit could also execute ~10% faster ;) (theoretical not counting other overheads) |
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| 08:06.29 | Wyzard|TP | You'll need a "bigmem" kernel for that, but on a new system that's a good idea anyway since the "bigmem" variant is needed to support the "NX" aka "XD" feature that AMD and Intel have introduced |
| 08:06.35 | Wyzard|TP | for protection against buffer overflows |
| 08:07.01 | rpc | nice lesson :) |
| 08:07.03 | Wyzard|TP | pstickne: Where did that number come from? |
| 08:07.38 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, reduction in operations required with the addition of the extra registers |
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| 08:08.15 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, I think I said a bit high (hence the ~); there is a good article on Anandtech about it somewhere... |
| 08:08.32 | Wyzard|TP | pstickne: And how does that balance with the extra CPU cache used by the larger pointers? |
| 08:08.44 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, "not counting extra overheads" |
| 08:09.03 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, still, I think they were showing a solid 5%+ gain. |
| 08:09.29 | sep | but one loose the overhead of PAE and moving the memory window. on 4+GB systems so there is atleast a minor reason for going 64bit |
| 08:09.48 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, hey, could be |
| 08:10.09 | fantomas | So, if I have amd64 I'b better to switch to 64bit repository? Or no? |
| 08:10.15 | Wyzard|TP | +5% is good to hear, but as a conservative guess I'd assume the two balance each other out |
| 08:10.30 | pstickne | fantomas, do you need it? does everything work if you switch? |
| 08:10.41 | pstickne | fantomas, if either of those are true then, by all means, switch :) |
| 08:10.43 | Wyzard|TP | fantomas: You don't *have* to run 64-bit Debian just because your processor is 64-bit-capable |
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| 08:11.07 | Wyzard|TP | fantomas: and there are some remaining issues for desktop systems, like the nonexistence of 64-bit Flash |
| 08:11.10 | Guerin | in fact, if you don't have a good reason to (ie, if your computer is fast enough), don't bother |
| 08:11.15 | Wyzard|TP | (not counting the free clones that don't work very well) |
| 08:11.19 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, who uses that crappy player anyway? |
| 08:11.25 | Guerin | it's not an unmitigated gain |
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| 08:11.59 | Wyzard|TP | pstickne: I avoid it, and that's why I run amd64 Debian on my desktop, but I occasionally do need to watch a Flash video so I use my 32-bit laptop for that |
| 08:12.03 | fantomas | Wyzard|TP: you mean if I switch them some apps wont work? For example, I need to run CEDEGA and games. |
| 08:12.11 | fantomas | s/them/then/ |
| 08:12.24 | Guerin | !need |
| 08:12.24 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 08:12.30 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, there is always WMWare I suppose ... Flash 7 or whatever is available for *ix is an uber-crappy version, that's all. |
| 08:13.00 | Guerin | pstickne: you have some extra words in there ... should be `Flash [...] is [...] uber-crappy' |
| 08:13.06 | pstickne | hehe |
| 08:13.08 | Wyzard|TP | fantomas: The games are all 32-bit so Cedega would be 32-bit too... it can run if you install 32-bit versions of any libraries it needs, but it might depend on some libraries that amd64 Debian doesn't provide 32-bit builds of; I dunno |
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| 08:13.28 | fantomas | Okay, thanks Wyzard|TP and all |
| 08:13.31 | Wyzard|TP | pstickne: Not Flash 7... Flash 9 is available for Linux now |
| 08:13.44 | Wyzard|TP | pstickne: but there's no 64-bit version, neither of 7 nor 9 |
| 08:13.59 | Wyzard|TP | nor 64-bit Windows, afaik |
| 08:13.59 | pstickne | Wyzard|TP, shows how much I care. Stupid closed-protocols can fall over dead. |
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| 08:14.38 | detectivebob | i have a simple test for a script: if[$(date +%a)="Mon"];then echo something, but it comes up with "[Thu=Mon] command not found" |
| 08:14.45 | hark | pstickne: but, it's not. You're just not allowed to make a player, iirc |
| 08:15.22 | pstickne | hark, I don't know about the legalities, but it's the same BS. |
| 08:15.37 | Wyzard|TP | hark: You're not allowed to use Adobe's Flash player to compare against your own Flash player to test how well your implementation is working, I belive |
| 08:16.03 | Guerin | detectivebob: #bash |
| 08:16.13 | Wyzard|TP | hark: It's in the EULA... along with the provision that they have the right to audit your use of the Flash player at any time, and if they find you in violation of the license, you pay all the costs of their audit |
| 08:17.36 | fantomas | sep: (to make things clear) so if I have AMD 64 I'm better to install 2.6.18-3-k7 kernel, right? I mean its "better" for me then generic kernel? |
| 08:18.24 | hark | Wyzard|TP: yes, but mainly it prevents your making a SWF player |
| 08:18.28 | Wyzard|TP | fantomas: If you're using 32-bit Debian on an amd64 processor, yes |
| 08:18.39 | fantomas | Wyzard|TP: yes |
| 08:18.54 | sep | fantomas, yes |
| 08:19.00 | rpc | i'm still reading here and i just realised that 64-bit might be a bit of a pain |
| 08:19.01 | hark | hence, the gnash stuff |
| 08:19.09 | rpc | in case of apps that will need 32-bit libs |
| 08:19.12 | fantomas | rpc: same feeling |
| 08:19.24 | sep | rpc, those must run in a 32bit chroot, |
| 08:19.30 | rpc | sep hm |
| 08:19.36 | sep | (yes a pain) |
| 08:19.48 | sep | especialy since running 64bit dont give you anything on your system :) |
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| 08:20.03 | rpc | wish i asked here before ordering the damn dedicated box |
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| 08:20.13 | Wyzard|TP | rpc: What 32-bit apps are you likely to encounter, though? |
| 08:20.20 | rpc | not sure if i would be able to change the distro for free once the box arrives |
| 08:20.37 | Wyzard|TP | rpc: Nearly everything in Debian has native 64-bit packages |
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| 08:20.45 | rpc | Wyzard can't tell you off-hand, just trying to get the best i can |
| 08:21.13 | rpc | so there really isn't much to worry about |
| 08:21.22 | rpc | i just "dunno" after all lol |
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| 08:21.49 | sep | rpc, sound like you did spotty work on your requirements prior to ordering :) |
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| 08:21.55 | sep | :) |
| 08:22.00 | rpc | he he |
| 08:22.13 | Wyzard | OK, so my keyboard batteries aren't dead after all |
| 08:22.21 | Wyzard | no idea why it just stopped working awhile ago |
| 08:22.29 | rpc | nah, i just thought that choosing 64-bit debian when ordering 64-bit box made sense... |
| 08:22.46 | hark | for a server it should not be much of a problem. No need for wine, codecs, flash etc. |
| 08:22.48 | rpc | now i realised i was damn wrong about that |
| 08:23.04 | rpc | hark in fact, mostly server jobs |
| 08:23.10 | Wyzard | rpc: It makes sense to me... and I'm running a 64-bit desktop system right now |
| 08:23.17 | rpc | but still... if i play with something one day and it won't work... |
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| 08:23.38 | Wyzard | rpc: Look at it this way... the industry is moving to 64-bit |
| 08:23.42 | rpc | Wyzard i'm glad to hear that |
| 08:24.02 | Wyzard | rpc: "One day", some arbitrary day years in the future, the problem you're more likely to encounter is that there's no 32-bit version of some new app, only 64 |
| 08:24.11 | rpc | he he |
| 08:24.53 | BrownFrog | Random question: Does it matter, in a PCI-Express-based system, whether the (PCI Express) graphics card and the (PCI) sound card share the same IRQ? As in, will it degrade the performace of either? |
| 08:25.04 | Wyzard | And if the need arises, you *can* run 32-bit apps on 64-bit Debian -- straightforward and simple in some cases; more difficult but still possible in others |
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| 08:25.17 | Wyzard | But you *cannot* run 64-bit apps on 32-bit Debian |
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| 08:25.54 | rpc | mhm so possibly even if choosing 64-bit was a bit ahead... this may change in the next half a year or so |
| 08:26.02 | H2S04 | Wyzard I just run 32 bit :-p |
| 08:26.03 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 08:26.07 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: Slightly, probably... it means that anytime either piece of hardware needs attention, both drivers need to wake up and check their respective device |
| 08:26.25 | rpc | H2S04 you like acids, don't you :) |
| 08:26.34 | Wyzard | rpc: At some point in the future, 32-bit will be obsolete while 64-bit will not |
| 08:26.38 | hark | heh, will take much more than half a year |
| 08:26.45 | Wyzard | of course |
| 08:26.46 | H2S04 | caustic bases are fun too :-p |
| 08:27.10 | rpc | H2S04: NaOH? :) |
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| 08:27.12 | H2S04 | Saltpeter + sulfur is fun too |
| 08:27.16 | H2S04 | :-D |
| 08:27.46 | hark | H2S04: are you concentrated? |
| 08:27.50 | H2S04 | well hark its getting better |
| 08:27.58 | H2S04 | yes 10 m solution |
| 08:28.13 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Hmm; my box is cramped as-is; maybe I'll see if there's a way in the BIOS to change IRQ's |
| 08:28.16 | rpc | Wyzard, hark: well if i asked here first i would probably decide on 32-bit, but once i have 64-bit in there... i will keep it and see what happens :) |
| 08:28.26 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: You don't need to configure IRQs in the BIOS |
| 08:28.33 | H2S04 | 64 bit is cool |
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| 08:28.47 | rpc | there is nothing cool about 64-bit :) |
| 08:28.54 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: On modern systems that's all configured in the OS, and ACPI makes IRQs plentiful |
| 08:28.57 | rpc | i have just learned this :) |
| 08:29.05 | H2S04 | I ran it for a long time :-p just went back to 32 because of all the compatibility issues |
| 08:29.13 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: My video card is on IRQ 169... |
| 08:29.13 | rpc | like what? |
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| 08:29.54 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: I wonder why it configured the video card and the sound card to share the IRQ then, unless I'm reading lspci wrong (which is always possible) |
| 08:30.22 | rpc | H2S04 can you name a few problems you had with 64-bit? compatibility ones that is |
| 08:30.24 | kakalto | anyone else have debian etch ask to login for maintenance or push CTRL D to continue, on bootup? (just after ALSA during boot) |
| 08:30.28 | BrownFrog | H2S04: Me too for the same reason, though I'm hedging my bets and have both installed, I tend to run 32-bit more for the time being ;) |
| 08:30.34 | H2S04 | well Flash |
| 08:30.46 | H2S04 | windows video compatibility |
| 08:30.46 | BrownFrog | rpc: Flash and w32codecs mostly |
| 08:30.53 | rpc | mhm |
| 08:30.54 | H2S04 | well and some other apps |
| 08:30.58 | BrownFrog | d'oh, beaten to the punch ;) |
| 08:31.01 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: yeah, I seem to have a few devices sharing IRQs too... I wouldn't worry about it though |
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| 08:31.29 | Wyzard | rpc: Like I said, closed-source stuff that's only available as 32-bit binaries :-) |
| 08:31.41 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Yeah, I guess if it's just a slight slowdown, it's not a big deal anyway; Guild Wars runs fast enough as-is, and nothing can save Oblivian performance ;) |
| 08:31.56 | rpc | Wyzard and is it sure that such apps won't run at all? or only those badly written ones? |
| 08:32.06 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: It's marginal... IRQ sharing is not going to make or break the performance of a video game |
| 08:32.07 | rpc | just in case... but i don't think i would need one of those |
| 08:32.25 | Wyzard | rpc: You can run them in a chroot if you need to |
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| 08:32.49 | rpc | well yes, i wouldn't run them in other way anyway :) |
| 08:32.55 | rpc | then it's cool |
| 08:32.58 | BrownFrog | Wyzard: Oh, and thanks for your help with LVM's earlier; it's too late tonight to do anything about it, but I think I'll give it a whirl tomorrow :) |
| 08:33.05 | Wyzard | rpc: You can't use the 32-bit Flash plugin with a 64-bit browser, but you can create a chroot install of 32-bit Debian and use that to run a 32-bit browser |
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| 08:33.15 | Wyzard | BrownFrog: cool... have fun with it |
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| 08:33.24 | rpc | or just a virtualbox with 32-bit |
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| 08:33.31 | rpc | just had this idea for a while |
| 08:33.36 | H2S04 | well.... |
| 08:33.40 | H2S04 | eh |
| 08:33.47 | H2S04 | there are other compatibility issues |
| 08:33.54 | H2S04 | not all apps are ready to port to 64 bit |
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| 08:34.03 | Wyzard | H2S04: nothing a chroot can't solve |
| 08:34.07 | H2S04 | and its a pain to port an app when you have other work to do |
| 08:34.14 | H2S04 | yeah but then you still have a 64 bit kernel |
| 08:34.28 | Wyzard | H2S04: Literally, even if there's no other way, any 64-bit compatibility problem can be solved by just running the app in a 32-bit chroot |
| 08:34.31 | H2S04 | Wyzard, it depends on what you do with it |
| 08:34.39 | hark | hmm, is virtualbox is debian already..? |
| 08:34.47 | rpc | but then isn't it really easier to have a VS inside my 64-bit box and run debian 32-bit in there? i will give it its own IP and it should be cool as ice ;) |
| 08:34.49 | H2S04 | I needed to get my production machine back up when my hard drive died |
| 08:34.51 | Wyzard | H2S04: Having a 64-bit kernel makes no difference to 32-bit apps |
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| 08:34.58 | H2S04 | I know |
| 08:35.01 | H2S04 | its just me being anal |
| 08:35.02 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 08:35.05 | rpc | hark yes... hopefully debian 64 as well ;) |
| 08:35.20 | Wyzard | rpc: You could very well do that... have a 64-bit OS with a 32-bit VM inside |
| 08:35.31 | H2S04 | Wyzard, my distro of choice is also slackware |
| 08:35.34 | rpc | just wondering if virtualbox will work on 64-bit lol |
| 08:35.41 | H2S04 | and I haven't been pleased with Slamd :-p |
| 08:35.46 | H2S04 | BlueWhite was ok |
| 08:35.51 | rpc | and how much resources will it take |
| 08:36.02 | rpc | but hell, worth trying for sure |
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| 08:36.42 | Wyzard | rpc: You could use Xen |
| 08:36.56 | rpc | Wyzard you recommend Xen instead of virtualbox? |
| 08:37.05 | H2S04 | qemu :-p |
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| 08:37.11 | rpc | i need to read up on that one then, forgot yesterday |
| 08:37.21 | Wyzard | rpc: I've never used virtualbox and barely used Xen, so I can't say I "recommend" one over the other... just pointing out another possibility |
| 08:37.29 | rpc | oh i read you |
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| 08:37.40 | hark | rpc: Xen supports windows with Intel's hardware virtualization atleast |
| 08:37.43 | Wyzard | rpc: but I can say from experience that VMware Server definitely runs on 64-bit Debian and can definitely run 32-bit OSes within it |
| 08:37.49 | rpc | H2S04 that works as well from what i have heard |
| 08:37.59 | rpc | hark hmm |
| 08:38.02 | H2S04 | I use it for building my live cd |
| 08:38.10 | rpc | Wyzard very nice |
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| 08:38.33 | H2S04 | Wyzard, is the server free? isn't it just the player? |
| 08:38.37 | rpc | Wyzard does vmware server use alot of resources? |
| 08:38.41 | H2S04 | did you pay for a license? |
| 08:38.42 | Wyzard | H2S04: free as in beer, yes |
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| 08:38.52 | rpc | he he |
| 08:39.03 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
| 08:39.05 | Wyzard | rpc: no, it's not all that heavy |
| 08:39.21 | H2S04 | I have like eight machines :-p i'd just use a different machine for it if it did :-p |
| 08:39.27 | rpc | Wyzard was going to rephrase... how heavy is it :) |
| 08:39.37 | H2S04 | qemu works for now |
| 08:39.48 | rpc | so: vmware, vbox, xen and qemu |
| 08:40.07 | rpc | and there is yet this vs software for debian, forgot the name |
| 08:40.27 | rpc | anyway something will work, that's for sure :) |
| 08:42.10 | Wyzard | and all of this is just in case you have an urgent need to run some 32-bit-only software |
| 08:42.17 | rpc | that's right |
| 08:42.27 | Wyzard | If you just want a server to run apache or something, you don't need to create VMs at all |
| 08:42.36 | rpc | right |
| 08:42.50 | rpc | in fact there is going to be some more fun than httpd in there |
| 08:42.59 | rpc | but still nothing that will stop me from using 64-bit i hope |
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| 08:44.06 | rpc | i believe that things like vsftpd or perl work fine on 64 :) |
| 08:44.25 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 08:44.50 | rpc | ok then, 64 all the way :) |
| 08:44.57 | Wyzard | With rare exceptions, you can generally assume that any free software in Debian will work fine on 64 |
| 08:45.07 | rpc | mhm |
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| 08:45.15 | Wyzard | I'm running xorg and GNOME and xchat and oggenc here |
| 08:45.50 | Wyzard | all 64 |
| 08:45.56 | streuner | !Wyzard++ |
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| 08:45.59 | rpc | all in all... 64 bit exists to be used, not to be avoided :) |
| 08:46.15 | Wyzard | on an all-SATA system with 1.5TB encrypted RAID-5 with LVM on top, no less :-) |
| 08:46.24 | Wyzard | yep |
| 08:46.31 | rpc | he he nice |
| 08:47.16 | rpc | and what do you say about a system based on dual P3-1000 with 2GB of ram? |
| 08:47.24 | rpc | just wondering what you think of it |
| 08:47.35 | rpc | someone told me that this setup would be very powerful as well |
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| 08:48.01 | Wyzard | sounds like a decent system to me |
| 08:48.14 | rpc | i'm wondering because it's two times cheaper |
| 08:48.28 | Wyzard | unless you're running really CPU-intensive stuff in which case you might want newer processors than P3s |
| 08:48.30 | rpc | and i know that dual p3 can be quite powerful |
| 08:48.55 | Wyzard | but most server tasks aren't really all that CPU-intensive, afaik |
| 08:49.04 | rpc | that's right |
| 08:49.33 | rpc | well i might order this other system too, just for fun, and will try to compare them |
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| 08:53.05 | pippijn | hi all |
| 08:53.37 | pippijn | could someone point me at documentation or a howto that explains how to get mplayer and jackd to work in debian? |
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| 08:54.37 | rpc | Wyzard your kind help is greatly appreciated |
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| 08:54.49 | Wyzard | np |
| 08:54.50 | rpc | thanks to all other guys as well |
| 08:55.05 | pippijn | I installed jackd and mplayer, but although jackd is running, mplayer does not play (though it does connect) |
| 08:55.23 | pippijn | jack_lsp shows the MPlayer connections |
| 08:56.00 | pippijn | Wyzard: esd is different? |
| 08:56.07 | Wyzard | no, esd has the same fault |
| 08:56.09 | Guerin | who said esd was any good? |
| 08:56.12 | pippijn | exactly |
| 08:56.13 | Guerin | yeesh |
| 08:56.16 | pippijn | ok |
| 08:56.26 | pippijn | so what sound daemon is system-wide? |
| 08:56.37 | Wyzard | and so does pulseaudio |
| 08:56.44 | Guerin | pippijn: by `sound daemon', what do you want to achieve? |
| 08:57.00 | pippijn | Guerin: play music and hear sounds from irssi at the same time |
| 08:57.08 | Guerin | pippijn: ah. /msg dpkg dmix |
| 08:57.13 | Wyzard | pippijn: none that I know of... if you want to be able to play sounds from multiple login sessions at the same time, use dmix |
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| 08:57.25 | Guerin | still userspace, but it's transparent ans works quite trivially |
| 08:57.27 | pippijn | Guerin: thanks :-) |
| 08:57.29 | pippijn | that is usable |
| 08:57.38 | Wyzard | which isn't enabled by default for some reason |
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| 09:00.05 | Guerin | mmm, calexico are great |
| 09:00.16 | Guerin | they're playing down the road in 3 weeks, too |
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| 09:00.43 | Guerin | it's good to be back in the concert capital of the southern hemisphere |
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| 09:01.53 | pippijn | *sigh* |
| 09:02.33 | b0xii | austin? |
| 09:02.48 | Ebbs | Hi. Does anybody know a good tool to replace single parts of text AND works with wildcards? |
| 09:02.57 | b0xii | oh wait hemisphere... |
| 09:02.58 | Wyzard | b0xii: Texas isn't in the southern hemisphere |
| 09:03.00 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 09:03.01 | Ebbs | in a txt file |
| 09:03.12 | b0xii | Wyzard it's late... |
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| 09:03.29 | b0xii | that was a brain fart |
| 09:03.30 | Guerin | Ebbs: wtf do you mean by `single parts of text'? |
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| 09:04.40 | Ebbs | I mean a text replacement toll, like every normal program like gedit or oowriter has, but it should work with wildcards! |
| 09:04.45 | Ebbs | *tool |
| 09:05.00 | Guerin | Ebbs: sed? |
| 09:05.11 | Ebbs | oowriter and gedit don't work with wildcards |
| 09:05.13 | Ebbs | k |
| 09:05.18 | Guerin | oh |
| 09:05.24 | Guerin | emacs does wildcards |
| 09:05.31 | Ebbs | k |
| 09:05.34 | Ebbs | thx |
| 09:05.42 | Ebbs | Ive got emacs |
| 09:05.44 | Guerin | though I still don't get what precisely you're trying to achieve |
| 09:05.46 | pippijn | to someone who knows dmix: http://pip.one09.net/files/txt/64793059490e86bd991500e641ff9281.txt |
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| 09:08.53 | PingFloyd | vim will do it also |
| 09:09.03 | Guerin | yeah, any real editor should |
| 09:09.07 | PingFloyd | yeah |
| 09:09.17 | Guerin | vim barely meets that categorisation ;) |
| 09:09.38 | PingFloyd | I know you're joking |
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| 09:09.47 | pippijn | Guerin: do you use dmix? |
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| 09:10.26 | henden | will Vista bury Linux for good? |
| 09:10.32 | Guerin | pippijn: um ... maybe |
| 09:10.38 | Guerin | pippijn: not consciously :) |
| 09:10.43 | Guerin | henden: no, why would it? |
| 09:10.55 | pippijn | Guerin: can you play multiple things at the same time? |
| 09:11.13 | Guerin | henden: if anything it'll hand disgruntled media consumers to the free software industry on a silver platter |
| 09:11.18 | Guerin | pippijn: lemme see |
| 09:11.22 | henden | Guerin: people are queuing up to pay for it. nobody queues to acquire Linux eventhough it is free. |
| 09:11.41 | PingFloyd | henden: you don't have to queue for Linux |
| 09:12.05 | PingFloyd | henden: FSF doesn't make you jump through hoops like a poodle like that |
| 09:12.22 | Guerin | henden: people queue up for all sorts of stupif shit. It'll pass. |
| 09:12.32 | Guerin | pippijn: yes, it seems I can! |
| 09:12.36 | Wyzard | henden: I uploaded 100GB worth of Fedora and Ubuntu isos during the month of November, seeding torrents... doesn't seem to be any shortage of demand |
| 09:12.41 | pippijn | Guerin: do you use a sound daemon? |
| 09:12.54 | Guerin | pippijn: nope ... and I don't have a .asoundrc either |
| 09:13.02 | tarzeau | Wyzard: and debian? |
| 09:13.07 | pippijn | Guerin: what are you playing with? |
| 09:13.24 | Guerin | pippijn: mplayer and (i think) madplay |
| 09:13.25 | Wyzard | tarzeau: I'll start seeding that once etch is released... I didn't feel like downloading sarge at this point |
| 09:13.35 | henden | is there any version/distro of Linux that comes close to Vista? |
| 09:13.38 | tarzeau | Wyzard: 26 GB last month: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-lzma/ |
| 09:13.50 | pippijn | Guerin: mplayer.. |
| 09:13.57 | pippijn | Guerin: try aplaying anything |
| 09:13.58 | PingFloyd | henden: thankfully, no |
| 09:14.00 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Also, Debian is bigger, and I was short on disk space; I have a new computer now with plenty of space for storing lots of Linux isos |
| 09:14.01 | tarzeau | henden: livecd.gnustep.org comes close to Mac OS X |
| 09:14.17 | Guerin | henden: `comes close'? No, they all stay far away from the DRM, broken driver spec, absurd hardware requirements and broken 3d UI |
| 09:14.30 | tarzeau | Wyzard: what network connection do you have? some official debian mirrors have webalizer stats: |
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| 09:14.45 | henden | Wyzard: that is no indication of anything. since it is freely available, people may just acquire and leave it aside or seldom use it. |
| 09:14.46 | PingFloyd | however, Vista is trying to come close to some things that Linux does |
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| 09:14.48 | Wyzard | tarzeau: Just residential broadband... I was just seeding torrents with azureus, not running a full mirror |
| 09:15.11 | Guerin | henden: yes, they `may' do whatever they wish with it. That's the point. |
| 09:15.14 | tarzeau | Wyzard: i see. see here: bugs.debian.org/386812 (the jp one is outdated though) |
| 09:15.17 | cast | PingFloyd: shame it still lacks the best feature ;) |
| 09:15.18 | Guerin | pippijn: oo, white noise! |
| 09:15.31 | pippijn | Guerin: aplay playing mp3? |
| 09:15.41 | Guerin | pippijn: yes. Same mp3 as before. |
| 09:15.44 | henden | can i have 3D desktop in Linux? |
| 09:15.46 | tarzeau | PingFloyd: vista copies stuff from mac os x in a 80% of way |
| 09:15.50 | pippijn | Guerin: aplay does not play mp3 |
| 09:15.54 | Guerin | oh. |
| 09:15.58 | Guerin | that'll be it :) |
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| 09:16.10 | pippijn | it just feeds raw streams to the soundcard |
| 09:16.27 | Guerin | henden: there are some 3d widgets for X |
| 09:16.42 | Guerin | mm, do I have any wave files about |
| 09:16.52 | henden | Guerin: any for debian? |
| 09:17.22 | pippijn | Guerin: don't bother, white noise means it works |
| 09:17.26 | Guerin | henden: dunno, I have no use for such flim-flammery |
| 09:17.32 | Guerin | pippijn: yeah. |
| 09:17.43 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:17.49 | tarzeau | did anyone play kq ? |
| 09:17.57 | pippijn | oh well |
| 09:17.59 | pippijn | I will use esd |
| 09:18.03 | nvz | tarzeau: what's a kq? |
| 09:18.04 | Guerin | pippijn: :( |
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| 09:18.14 | dav_ | elo |
| 09:18.19 | tarzeau | nvz: apt-cache show kq |
| 09:18.20 | dimir | ehlo |
| 09:18.21 | henden | Guerin: that's a case of sour grapes. |
| 09:18.22 | pippijn | I would like to use jackd |
| 09:18.23 | Guerin | oh, he's from singapore. That explains a lot. |
| 09:18.27 | Guerin | henden: it is? |
| 09:18.50 | nvz | tarzeau: you're always finding new games people never heard of :P |
| 09:18.59 | henden | Guerin: why does coming fr sigapore explains a lot to you? |
| 09:19.06 | dav_ | someoneknow a Terminal Server Solution for linux that could accept RDP (Windows Terminal Client Protocol) or ever be able to compile the xrdp source |
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| 09:19.07 | dav_ | . |
| 09:19.28 | dimir | LTSP |
| 09:19.31 | Guerin | henden: i know a few people from singapore, and spent a lot of time in various parts of asia. |
| 09:19.40 | dimir | dav ^^ |
| 09:19.52 | henden | Guerin: don't be a Kiwi. grow wings and learn to fly. :D |
| 09:19.59 | nvz | tarzeau: I never seen that and I usually browse through the debian games once in awhile looking for new stuff. |
| 09:20.11 | dav_ | dimir, i founded it but i don't think it accept RDP connection, it look like it only include a rdp CLIENT isn't it ? |
| 09:20.20 | Guerin | henden: oh, but I did. 14 hours each way. |
| 09:20.30 | nvz | tarzeau: I might check it out.. not really my type of game, but I have played zelda before.. |
| 09:21.33 | dimir | DaveyB: excuse me, isn't rdp used to connect to windows? |
| 09:21.38 | dimir | dav_ too |
| 09:22.24 | dav_ | dimir, ok but is it realy needed to have a NFS running on the box etc ... ? have u ever use it ? |
| 09:22.37 | PingFloyd | henden: I'll sum the whole thing of how Vista relates to Linux in one sentence... |
| 09:22.46 | henden | there are times, when I do 'apt-get upgrade', it indicates that 100+ meg of download with only a few megs used. why is that so? |
| 09:22.52 | PingFloyd | Silly Billy, GPL licensed software isn't for sale |
| 09:23.13 | cast | PingFloyd: sure it is |
| 09:23.19 | Guerin | henden: because the packages you downlaod replace other packages |
| 09:23.30 | Guerin | henden: it's not cumulative, it's deletive |
| 09:23.31 | henden | uhmm... |
| 09:23.51 | nvz | PingFloyd: umm.. thats ridiculous |
| 09:24.13 | nvz | PingFloyd: GPL software is on sale all over the place.. |
| 09:24.28 | cast | gnu.org for a start :) |
| 09:24.43 | nvz | ever heard of redhat, they make their living off this shit.. heh |
| 09:24.43 | PingFloyd | nvz: you miss my point |
| 09:24.58 | PingFloyd | it can't be monopolized :p |
| 09:25.03 | nvz | PingFloyd: points made with false statements are usually worth missing |
| 09:25.06 | nvz | heh |
| 09:25.09 | Guerin | PingFloyd: not the same |
| 09:25.18 | Guerin | !rmssmite PingFloyd |
| 09:25.25 | dav_ | dimir, sorry but after verification LTSP doesn't seem to support anything else than the rdesktop CLIENT |
| 09:25.44 | pippijn | has anyone here got jackd to work? |
| 09:26.44 | henden | pippijn: what does jackd do? |
| 09:26.44 | dimir | DaveyB: I have used it. |
| 09:26.47 | dimir | dav_ |
| 09:26.59 | pippijn | henden: it is an audio daemon |
| 09:27.10 | henden | uhm. |
| 09:27.12 | dimir | dav_: what do you need it for? |
| 09:27.29 | dimir | dav_: what exactly is it that you need? |
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| 09:28.32 | dav_ | dimir, ok i need a server on my linux to be able to connect from a windows box with the mstsc (windows terminal server client) with an auth like in kdm that's all :) |
| 09:29.02 | dav_ | dimir, just as if i connect with XDMCP |
| 09:29.24 | dav_ | dimir, but XDMCP use udp ... |
| 09:29.25 | dimir | dav_: there is not Microsoft Terminal Server for Linux. :-) |
| 09:29.38 | dav_ | dimir, hehe but there is xrdp |
| 09:29.46 | dav_ | dimir, but no way to get it comiled |
| 09:29.51 | dav_ | dimir, compiled |
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| 09:30.26 | pippijn | . |
| 09:30.40 | pippijn | dav_: xrdp might be a client instead of a server :-) |
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| 09:31.13 | dav_ | pippijn, no no xrdp is a server don't be confused with krdc :) |
| 09:31.20 | dimir | dav_: OK, but then LTSP is not what you need. It's needed for a disk-less thin clients to boot over Network. |
| 09:31.21 | pippijn | okay |
| 09:31.26 | pippijn | =) |
| 09:31.48 | dav_ | dimir, yes and that's not what i wat for that i have the X Terminal Servr HOWTO :) |
| 09:32.24 | pippijn | in fact, suse's vnc server has kdm in it |
| 09:32.25 | dav_ | pippijn, no because the prolem with VNC is that it doesn't run a new session (perhaps i m wrong but that is the case on a windows system) |
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| 09:32.37 | pippijn | dav_: suse's thing did that |
| 09:32.42 | pippijn | or maybe it still does |
| 09:32.47 | pippijn | I have not seen suse for years |
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| 09:33.09 | dav_ | pippijn, what i love with vnc is that is is possible to connect froma java compatible browser wow |
| 09:33.10 | dav_ | :) |
| 09:33.17 | pippijn | yeah |
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| 09:34.26 | dav_ | pippijn, my idea is to only run a ssh server for outside and to forward the remote (vnc ?) port for secure connection over ssh |
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| 09:36.39 | nvz | Does anyone know how I can troubleshoot my problems with Adobe Flash 9 I installed through Firefox's plugin service or how I can remove it to try using the debian sarge macromedia flash 7 again? |
| 09:36.49 | nvz | I dont get any sounds on it |
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| 09:37.19 | dav_ | nvz, you can perhaps try to reinstall firefx ? |
| 09:37.26 | Guerin | nvz: solution: don't use flash |
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| 09:39.18 | dav_ | Guerin, flash is necessary nowadays :) |
| 09:39.18 | Guerin | nvz: but I think it only uses alsa, and won't do OSS at all |
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| 09:39.18 | Guerin | dav_: no, flash is absolutely not necessary. |
| 09:39.19 | dav_ | Guerin, and what about thing like dailymotion :) |
| 09:39.19 | Guerin | dav_: smtp is necessary. http is necessary. you could *almost* argue javascript is necessar, but flash is nowhere near |
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| 09:39.19 | Guerin | dav_: never heard of it |
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| 09:39.23 | dav_ | Guerin, hehe :) you are right the better use of linux is a 3270 terminal running links on a 2 color screen :) |
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| 09:39.27 | Guerin | if you have to resort to argumentatum ad absurdum, you've already lost |
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| 09:41.23 | Palish | So I have a script running "lighttpd -f lighttpd.conf", which creates an instance of the lighttpd server. Then the script exits. Unfortunately, when it does, lighttpd also exits. |
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| 09:41.38 | Palish | Anyone have any idea how to get a process spawned by a script to run after the script is done? |
| 09:42.07 | Guerin | Palish: use an init script. Calling a httpd manually is braindead. |
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| 09:42.20 | Guerin | Palish: /etc/init.d/lighttpd start would be usual' |
| 09:42.28 | Palish | It's not on startup though |
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| 09:42.33 | Palish | it's when I deploy my rails application. |
| 09:42.37 | Palish | so it has to stop, then restart lighttpd. |
| 09:42.44 | Guerin | Palish: so? |
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| 09:42.50 | Palish | the restarting part is the trouble. Whenever the script exits, lighttpd exits with the script. |
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| 09:42.59 | Guerin | Palish: ... |
| 09:43.03 | angel | quiero en españolñ |
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| 09:43.07 | Guerin | Palish: don't use the script. Delete it now. |
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| 09:43.12 | Guerin | !es |
| 09:43.12 | _FeelFree_ | !seen eisen |
| 09:43.13 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 09:43.13 | dpkg | eisen <~eisen@xdsl-81-173-184-121.netcologne.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 57m 51s ago, saying: 'darren: tvants should work in wine according to google. I may have confused the apps and the other one was the one that did not work.'. |
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| 09:43.33 | Palish | Guerin: How can my script call an init script? |
| 09:43.38 | Palish | run /etc/init.d/lighttpd? |
| 09:43.41 | Guerin | Palish: instead of that stupid script, call /etc/init.d/lighttpd [re]start |
| 09:43.41 | Palish | start. |
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| 09:43.48 | Guerin | Palish: the same way as it calls anything else? |
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| 09:44.02 | Guerin | Palish: man invoke-rc.d |
| 09:44.23 | Palish | I'll have to figure out how to create an init.d script.. |
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| 09:44.27 | Guerin | why? |
| 09:44.34 | Palish | because I don't know how, and lighttpd doesn't come with one. |
| 09:44.43 | Guerin | there's one already, it comes with the install |
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| 09:45.01 | Palish | not on debian sarge/etch |
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| 09:45.11 | angel | debian-es |
| 09:45.21 | angel | #debian-es |
| 09:45.23 | Guerin | Palish: look in /usr/share/doc/examples |
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| 09:45.29 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 09:45.30 | nvz | Guerin: yeah my drivers are ALSA.. though all apps I normally use sounds on are OSS. I have OSS emulation modules loaded |
| 09:45.31 | Guerin | angel: /joing #debian-es |
| 09:45.36 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:45.39 | Ramattack | I have a little problem... |
| 09:45.41 | Guerin | Palish: look in /usr/share/doc/lighttpd/examples |
| 09:45.54 | Palish | "examples" isn't a file/folder. |
| 09:46.02 | Palish | er |
| 09:46.08 | Ramattack | I have a box with an ide disk for booting but with a 3ware sata raid controller for one partition that squid uses |
| 09:46.12 | Palish | .. /usr/share/doc/lighttpd doesn't exist, I mean |
| 09:46.14 | nvz | Guerin: I dont get any sound from flash 9 and I can even start playing something with cplay/mpg321 while flash is playing and it works without bitching the sound is in use.. I have no idea what the problem is.. aside from the obvious flash sucks |
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| 09:46.34 | Ramattack | when it's booting fcsk says can access to sata raid partition |
| 09:46.48 | Ramattack | and its normal because it loads modules after fcsk |
| 09:47.09 | Guerin | Palish: use a debian package. Or don't bother asking for help here. |
| 09:47.14 | Palish | listen dude |
| 09:47.18 | Palish | I did apt-get install lighttpd |
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| 09:47.26 | Palish | It simply does not come with /etc/init.d/lighttpd |
| 09:47.38 | Ramattack | how could I do for not to check for this partition or how could I do for kernel to load as part of it this module? I'm running kernel-2.6.19.2 but cant set it as * only M |
| 09:47.41 | Palish | nor does it come with /usr/share/doc/lighttpd |
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| 09:47.50 | oswaldo | angel friki |
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| 09:47.52 | mrynit | i installed etch but i set the screen resolution to high for my monitor. how can i change the resolution with out booting to GUI? |
| 09:47.53 | Guerin | Palish: then either a) there's a /usr/share/doc/lighttpd dir or b) it's not a policy-compliant debian package and you probably got it from an external source |
| 09:48.23 | Palish | except the only time I did apt-get install lighttpd was right after a fresh install of debian sarge |
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| 09:48.33 | Palish | so I didn't get it from an external source. |
| 09:48.40 | Guerin | !find lighttpd sarge |
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| 09:48.52 | Palish | yes, I'm tired, you're right |
| 09:48.57 | Palish | I didn't use a package, I remember now. |
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| 09:49.00 | cast | so under what conditions do i end up in #debian-overflow? |
| 09:49.01 | Guerin | ... |
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| 09:49.17 | cast | [then after 5 minutes, get kicked it seems] |
| 09:49.25 | Guerin | cast: when there are too many joins in a set amount of time, debhelper or chanserv or something redirect to prevent floodage |
| 09:49.31 | cast | ahh. |
| 09:49.38 | Guerin | Palish: so uninstall it and get the debian package |
| 09:50.22 | Palish | Guerin: Oh..is there a debian package with etch now? |
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| 09:50.23 | Palish | there wasn't with sarge when I installed it a few months ago.. |
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| 09:50.24 | Guerin | Palish: there's one in sid, unsure about etch |
| 09:50.24 | Guerin | Palish: none in sarge, though |
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| 09:50.24 | Palish | right :/ |
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| 09:50.25 | Palish | Well, I'm on etch now..so I'll check that out. |
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| 09:50.32 | cydork | debhelper is a blootbot? or something else? |
| 09:50.40 | dondelelcaro | debhelper is an eggdrop. |
| 09:50.50 | cydork | dondelelcaro: ahh thanks. |
| 09:50.56 | dondelelcaro | if you end up in #debian-overflow though, it's just because you've hit the +J limiter. |
| 09:51.41 | dondelelcaro | debhelper is only responsible for setting the +l and/or +i in the event of some sort of flood. |
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| 09:55.07 | mcnaft | I compiled and boot kernel 2.6.19.2, but I get this error: http://phpfi.com/199393 |
| 09:55.41 | SlayerXP | mcnaft: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs'" |
| 09:55.52 | Guerin | mcnaft: that error means`you don't know enough about /dev to be building kernels' |
| 09:55.56 | Ramattack | does anybody know how to load a driver as part of kernel please? |
| 09:55.56 | SlayerXP | your first error was actually "I compiled" |
| 09:56.08 | Guerin | Ramattack: modprobe modulename |
| 09:56.27 | mcnaft | I downloaded the bz2 from kernel.org and compiled it |
| 09:56.37 | Guerin | mcnaft: yes, that's what he means |
| 09:56.44 | tarzeau | nvz: i found it by accident too... and it's the kind of game like mystic quest. a pleasure to play :) |
| 09:56.47 | kakalto | what groups would a user need to be in, to have kde detect cds being inserted? |
| 09:56.50 | kakalto | plugdev? |
| 09:56.55 | Ramattack | guerin the problem is... I run boot from an ide disk but /opt is mounted on a 3ware sata raid controller |
| 09:57.14 | Guerin | Ramattack: /opt isn't needed for boot |
| 09:57.23 | Palish | Heh.. Is there a command that runs commands? |
| 09:57.24 | Ramattack | guerin : and booting fcsk stops booting because tells cannot mount it, I assume because it hasn't loaded yet the 3ware driver |
| 09:57.40 | Palish | something echo "blah" |
| 09:57.40 | mcnaft | So what do I need to know about /dev |
| 09:57.41 | Guerin | Ramattack: put the modulename in /etc/modules |
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| 09:57.50 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah well I'd take pleasure in being able to play flash in firefox with sound right now.. heh |
| 09:57.52 | Guerin | Palish: ? |
| 09:58.01 | Guerin | Palish: xargs? |
| 09:58.08 | Ramattack | guerin : and with that it will be loaded before fcsk? |
| 09:58.14 | Guerin | Ramattack: suck and see. |
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| 09:58.25 | Ramattack | ok then |
| 09:58.25 | nvz | I setup my friend's pc with sarge and firefox and their damn flash works and they dont evn have speakers ffs.. yet I cant get my own shit working.. heh |
| 09:58.28 | Ramattack | thanks a lot |
| 09:58.30 | Ramattack | gonna see |
| 09:58.35 | raf256 | hm |
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| 09:58.52 | Ramattack | bye thanks again |
| 09:59.00 | Guerin | nvz: you have my condolences for spending so much of your life caring about flash |
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| 09:59.14 | raf256 | what severity should be set for "help, thunderbird have some lameass green-white blurred blob instead for icon" |
| 09:59.20 | raf256 | wish? |
| 09:59.45 | Guerin | raf256: wishlist. |
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| 09:59.59 | raf256 | is the new icon official, or are ppl happy wellcommed contirube better icons? |
| 10:00.01 | Guerin | raf256: it's barely even a bug. |
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| 10:00.27 | Guerin | raf256: please contribute. The moz.org icons are offlimits, so whatever anyone makes is what will get used. |
| 10:00.54 | raf256 | for me this icons reassembles a white face with green hair |
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| 10:03.18 | sep | raf256, isnt that what it it's suposed to be ? |
| 10:03.18 | nvz | Guerin: heh. well I dont know how the hell else I am suppose to see all this video and audio content encoded in flash. My dad just sent me some hilarious videos and I have to go out of my way to view them on somone elses computer.. to me its easier just to have the shit work on my computer then to not only have to use flash, but have to run around and find a damn pc that it will work on.. thats twice as bad IMO |
| 10:04.05 | raf256 | sep: why a photo of mutated white boy should be the new logo? I thought they made some ice bird something a logo, and the witeh blob should be eath, while green blob should be this bird |
| 10:04.12 | Guerin | or you could just say `fuck it, it's just fat people falling over and desperate teenagers flashing their tits, who cares' |
| 10:04.34 | raf256 | Guerin: the new logo is simply confusing, when browsing open windows by icons (alt+tab) |
| 10:04.49 | Guerin | raf256: it still only counts as `wishlist' |
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| 10:04.59 | raf256 | ok |
| 10:05.04 | sep | raf256, make a better one :) |
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| 10:05.14 | raf256 | sep: ok, one moment |
| 10:05.34 | nvz | Guerin: yeah well I'd love to be that ignorant.. but thats not the case. thats just what most of the people do with it. |
| 10:05.34 | Guerin | raf256: you could argue that any system which giuves you no way of knowing what a program is except by its icon is buggy ... |
| 10:05.35 | raf256 | sep: ok done |
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| 10:05.57 | sep | raf256, write the bug and attach it as a patch then :) |
| 10:06.01 | mrynit | how do i change screen resolution with out booting into GUI in etch? |
| 10:06.04 | raf256 | heh |
| 10:06.12 | Guerin | raf256:y you want to rename `icedove' to `pimplyarse'? |
| 10:06.19 | Guerin | that's hardly intuitive |
| 10:06.39 | Guerin | mrynit: console screen mode? pass vga=791 or something to kernel |
| 10:06.48 | raf256 | he said GUI |
| 10:06.51 | mrynit | i installed etch but i set the screen resolution to high for my monitor. how can i change the resolution with out booting to GUI? |
| 10:07.02 | Guerin | mrynit: he said WITHOUT gui |
| 10:07.08 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 10:07.22 | raf256 | mrynit: configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf and remove too high resolutions, or bettter dpkg-reconfigure something |
| 10:07.25 | Guerin | your X is busted because you set the resolution too high? |
| 10:07.29 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 10:07.30 | dpkg | somebody said drxx was dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 10:07.40 | mrynit | mmy monitor wont support high rez |
| 10:08.26 | mrynit | so uh, have to get into terminal with out it loading into GUI? im new to linux |
| 10:08.39 | mrynit | i could use knoppix? |
| 10:09.23 | kakalto | how can I change user details from the terminal? |
| 10:09.35 | petemc | kakalto: which details? |
| 10:09.43 | petemc | chfn might be what you're after |
| 10:09.44 | kakalto | uid |
| 10:10.15 | petemc | why do you want to do that? |
| 10:10.35 | kakalto | I was just messing around with it in kuser, and want to mess it back |
| 10:10.37 | kakalto | heheh |
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| 10:10.58 | kakalto | I'm having fun, alright? ;-) |
| 10:11.00 | Guerin | kakalto: usermod |
| 10:11.11 | kakalto | Guerin: in which package? |
| 10:11.21 | kakalto | nvm, root -_-; |
| 10:11.30 | Guerin | kakalto: ... dunno. If it's not installed, you uninstalled it. |
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| 10:11.42 | kakalto | that was what I was looking for earlier, I just clicked that I have to be root to find it |
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| 10:14.15 | Aeonlibrarian | !hello Aeonlibrarian |
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| 10:16.32 | Ramattack | guerin are you there folk? |
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| 10:18.21 | Ramattack | I've done that and set too the depending modules on /etc/modules but keeps failing |
| 10:18.29 | mcnaft | where do you find a log of the boot? |
| 10:18.34 | Ramattack | it doesn't boot says ext2 file system corrup |
| 10:18.35 | Ramattack | t |
| 10:18.50 | Ramattack | what could I'm doing wrong? |
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| 10:20.44 | mark`- | anyone good with Plesk? ive got a box that was running Plesk on sarge and some idiot upgraded it to etch and now plesk is hosed. how difficult is it to migrate email accounts out of plesk into a usable format so we can rebuild the box? |
| 10:21.09 | Ramattack | mark use qmail instead of plesk |
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| 10:21.19 | mark`- | plesk uses qmail as far as i know |
| 10:21.28 | mark`- | but aren't the mail accounts themselves stored in the mysql database? |
| 10:21.40 | Ramattack | plesk in comercial |
| 10:21.45 | Ramattack | I know it uses qmail |
| 10:21.58 | Guerin | Ramattack: WTF |
| 10:22.05 | Guerin | DO NOT use qmail, ever |
| 10:22.18 | Ramattack | I don't accomplish with guerin |
| 10:22.22 | Ramattack | lol |
| 10:22.23 | Guerin | mrynit: plesk isn't in debian, go buy support for it |
| 10:22.26 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:22.30 | Guerin | mark`-: plesk isn't in debian, go buy support for it |
| 10:22.50 | mark`- | thanks Guerin, thats very helpful. i would never have thought of that myself. |
| 10:23.31 | Ramattack | don't know how plesk would be compiled |
| 10:23.34 | Aeonlibrarian | vista's sticking on my ass |
| 10:23.39 | Ramattack | my own qmail auths against mysql mark... |
| 10:23.45 | Guerin | mark`-: glad to be of service. |
| 10:24.04 | mark`- | Ramattack: where are the mailboxes held? |
| 10:24.19 | concept10 | Does any distros still use Xfree86 ? |
| 10:24.21 | Guerin | mark`-: in /var/djb/is/a/fuck/wit |
| 10:24.27 | Ramattack | mark in qmail unless on filesystem |
| 10:24.28 | Guerin | concept10: nttbomk. |
| 10:24.36 | Ramattack | normally in vpopmail |
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| 10:24.48 | asg | concept10: Slackware may |
| 10:24.55 | Ramattack | mark they normally are in /home/vpoopmail |
| 10:24.58 | Ramattack | vpopmail sorry |
| 10:25.03 | mark`- | thanks Ram |
| 10:25.16 | Ramattack | ese... take a look too where vpopmail is |
| 10:25.17 | concept10 | just wondering about that, I dont see it anywhere anymore |
| 10:25.30 | Ramattack | you're welcome |
| 10:25.36 | Ramattack | guerin my friend!!!! lol |
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| 10:25.52 | Aeonlibrarian | !vista |
| 10:25.53 | dpkg | i heard vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 10:26.02 | Guerin | the bot speaks truth |
| 10:26.10 | Aeonlibrarian | oui |
| 10:26.11 | Guerin | asg: pubfi? |
| 10:26.12 | Ramattack | what could I'm doing wrong? I've st those mdulesin /etc/odules |
| 10:26.26 | Ramattack | and it loads at the needed time |
| 10:26.28 | Ramattack | but |
| 10:26.33 | Guerin | Ramattack: you probably need them built into the kernel if you want it loaded any earlier. |
| 10:26.36 | streuner | !pubfi |
| 10:26.42 | Guerin | Ramattack: or in initrd |
| 10:27.03 | streuner | Guerin: wth is 'pubfi'? :-) |
| 10:27.13 | Ramattack | guerin : I've made mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd /lib/modules/2.6.19.2 for building initrd |
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| 10:27.20 | Guerin | !pubfi is what asg does ... goes to the pub and uses their wifi |
| 10:27.20 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 10:27.31 | Ramattack | guerin : and I can't do those drivers as part of the kernel |
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| 10:27.38 | Guerin | 'roh ... you're not using a debian kernel. You lose. |
| 10:27.53 | Guerin | Ramattack: whyever not? |
| 10:28.07 | Ramattack | guerin : because I can't set it as * only as M |
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| 10:28.15 | Ramattack | guerin : don't know why... |
| 10:28.24 | Guerin | Ramattack: because you don't grok menuconfig. |
| 10:28.39 | Ramattack | guerin : I run make menuconfig |
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| 10:28.50 | Guerin | Ramattack: *clap* *clap* |
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| 10:29.04 | Ramattack | guerin : sorry for my english whats grok? |
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| 10:29.19 | Guerin | Ramattack: grok isn't english; it mneans `understand thoroughly' |
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| 10:30.20 | Ramattack | guerin : well... I assume I'm not a kernel master.... I take debbian kernel-2.6.8-3-686 config file |
| 10:30.32 | Ramattack | and then later compile it... setting proccesor... |
| 10:30.35 | Ramattack | and nothing else... |
| 10:31.16 | Guerin | ... |
| 10:31.36 | Ramattack | guerin : and what should I understand exactly for getting this? |
| 10:32.06 | Ramattack | guerin : the problem is can't set as part of the kernel 3ware module |
| 10:32.11 | Ramattack | also... one moment |
| 10:32.23 | Ramattack | guerin : I'm running initd image |
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| 10:32.31 | Ramattack | why is not working it?? |
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| 10:34.05 | Ramattack | don't need to be run it as part of kernel isn't it guerin??? |
| 10:34.12 | Guerin | Ramattack: there will be some other setting which needs to be * before that module can be * |
| 10:34.17 | Guerin | Ramattack: you'll have to go looking |
| 10:34.25 | Guerin | i suggest reading the help thoroughly |
| 10:35.05 | Ramattack | ok then guerin |
| 10:35.07 | Ramattack | thanks a lot |
| 10:35.20 | Ramattack | I'll take a look to it... I supposed it... too... |
| 10:35.23 | Ramattack | thanks again |
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| 10:47.12 | Hoxzer | Does somebody know how do I enable url support in urxvt? |
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| 10:54.11 | DavidProck1981 | Does any one know a good GUI for C++ that will work on Debian Etch? |
| 10:54.43 | Hoxzer | anjuta is pretty cool editor |
| 10:55.14 | DavidProck1981 | how can I use aptitude to get it |
| 10:55.36 | Hoxzer | I'm not sure does debian have a package for it |
| 10:55.46 | DavidProck1981 | don't know |
| 10:55.58 | DavidProck1981 | I just want a good gui for c++ |
| 10:56.03 | Hoxzer | however it has nice graphical installer |
| 10:56.12 | Ronin | DavidProck1981: man apt-get |
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| 10:56.15 | dimir | DavidProck1981: if you need a really 1337 IDE, try eclipce |
| 10:56.19 | Ronin | its in sarge for sure |
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| 10:56.23 | dimir | DavidProck1981: eclipse even |
| 10:56.30 | mrynit | i did a net install of etch but now i cant run ephany |
| 10:56.53 | dimir | davi: but be warned, it might eat all you ram. :-) |
| 10:57.01 | dimir | DavidProck1981 ^^^^ |
| 10:57.14 | DavidProck1981 | why |
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| 10:57.26 | dimir | DavidProck1981: eclipse is in Debian repository. |
| 10:57.34 | DavidProck1981 | I have 2Gig of ram |
| 10:57.47 | dimir | DavidProck1981: then it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 10:57.48 | mrynit | i have no internet connection etch now |
| 10:57.57 | dimir | DavidProck1981: Because it's written in Java. |
| 10:58.12 | dimir | DavidProck1981: (as to why eat much ram) |
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| 10:58.18 | DavidProck1981 | but it does c++ projects? |
| 10:58.21 | dimir | yes. |
| 10:58.29 | dimir | it's veeeeery feature rich. |
| 10:58.31 | DavidProck1981 | does it do any others |
| 10:58.35 | dimir | yes. |
| 10:58.38 | DavidProck1981 | like? |
| 10:58.41 | dimir | thousands of plugins. |
| 10:58.49 | dimir | DavidProck1981: check the web site. |
| 10:58.56 | DavidProck1981 | what is it |
| 10:58.57 | dimir | don't be such a lazy (&()& |
| 10:58.59 | dimir | :-) |
| 10:59.12 | dimir | www.eclipse.org |
| 10:59.19 | dimir | aptitude install eclipse |
| 10:59.21 | dimir | will do |
| 10:59.21 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 10:59.46 | dimir | No problemo. |
| 11:00.18 | neiljp | anyone a clue why the icewm debian menu doesn't exist in testing? |
| 11:01.26 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:01.32 | Mazingaro | is anyone using rekall?? |
| 11:01.33 | DavidProck1981 | what is emacs |
| 11:02.04 | hark | !googlesmite DavidProck1981 |
| 11:02.29 | DavidProck1981 | lol |
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| 11:03.09 | asg | !tell DavidProck1981 about grounding |
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| 11:03.19 | Guerin | !tell asg about futility |
| 11:03.20 | hark | neiljp: do you have menu and menu-xdg installed? |
| 11:04.15 | neiljp | hark: yup |
| 11:04.27 | asg | Guerin: let's hope it doesn't invoke another round of idiot questions |
| 11:04.46 | DavidProck1981 | !tell asg about pussy |
| 11:04.55 | Guerin | asg: the farce is strong in this one |
| 11:05.12 | asg | Guerin: davidprock1981 wants you to know: Read: asg |
| 11:05.27 | tarzeau | nvz: flash 9? it crashes my browser when the sound device is not already used by some other program in sid, with iceweasel.. :( |
| 11:06.12 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah I am using sarge and firefox. |
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| 11:06.29 | tarzeau | nvz: same here, works |
| 11:06.37 | tarzeau | nvz: ff 2 or 1.5.0.9? |
| 11:07.13 | nvz | tarzeau: I had flashplugin-nonfree installed which works on my friends box I setup which I guess gives you the old macromedia flash 7.. but on my machine firefox was still saying it needed a plugin for flash so I let it find and install it using its plugin service and it found and installed adobe flash 9 |
| 11:07.27 | tarzeau | nvz: alsa or not? 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
| 11:07.40 | nvz | tarzeau: I guess 1.5.0.9 its the official sarge package.. and yeah sarge 2.6 with alsa |
| 11:07.53 | tarzeau | do you run any of that software mixer crap? |
| 11:08.29 | nvz | tarzeau: nope. I dont even use alsa really.. I mainly only use xine and cplay/mpg321/ogg123..etc and they all use OSS.. I got the oss emulation loaded |
| 11:08.54 | tarzeau | i see. i mainly use ocp (opencubicplayer) |
| 11:09.15 | nvz | tarzeau: maybe for the hell of it I should remove the flashplugin-nonfree though I dont see how it could be causing problems with the sound on the plugin firefox installed |
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| 11:10.28 | CVirus | the majority of the Linux apps come shipped with files like "README" "COPYING" "AUTHORS" ... are there standards for packaging any linux applications ? I mean I want to start packaging my application .. what can I do ? |
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| 11:10.53 | tarzeau | CVirus: put it online, and let others have a look at it |
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| 11:11.04 | tarzeau | CVirus: it's a good idea to also have a makefile to build, install, remove the software |
| 11:11.13 | tarzeau | CVirus: often there's an INSTALL file too |
| 11:11.19 | tarzeau | CVirus: and a changelog |
| 11:11.37 | CVirus | tarzeau: yeah those are the files I'm talking about ... is there a standard that packagers follow ? |
| 11:11.44 | Palish | is there a way to send a restart signal to a process? |
| 11:11.44 | tarzeau | CVirus: no .svn/.cvs files, softwarename-major.minor.tar.gz is a good name and have it unpack into softwarename-major-minorversion/ |
| 11:11.59 | tarzeau | CVirus: yes, they have those files |
| 11:12.07 | tarzeau | Palish: kill can send signals |
| 11:12.27 | Palish | do you know which option is 'restart'? |
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| 11:12.31 | tarzeau | Palish: init scripts have often a restart parameter which does nothing else but end and start a process |
| 11:12.39 | tarzeau | Palish: there's no such signal, see man trap |
| 11:12.43 | Palish | okay |
| 11:12.49 | CVirus | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 11:13.10 | Palish | well, what's going on is, I have this nebulous script that ruby on rails is running... It "restarts" lighttpd fcgi processes. Only this "restart" causes them to totally wig out and do the wrong thing. |
| 11:13.11 | tarzeau | Palish: or rather man 7 signal |
| 11:13.17 | Palish | killing them then restarting them fixes that |
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| 11:13.20 | Palish | so I have no idea what it's doing. |
| 11:14.49 | stoned | argh it is snowing outside |
| 11:15.01 | asg | stoned: yep |
| 11:15.05 | stoned | I got woken up |
| 11:15.10 | stoned | I went to bed at midnight |
| 11:15.12 | nvz | tarzeau: no change purge/removing flashplugin-nonfree and restarting firefox *shrug* |
| 11:15.12 | tarzeau | stoned: photo? webcam? |
| 11:15.20 | stoned | then I woke up at 4:30 am |
| 11:15.31 | stoned | cuz my neighbours upstairs won't stop fucking! |
| 11:15.38 | nvz | stoned: heh |
| 11:15.39 | stoned | I had to take my broom handle and bang on my cieling |
| 11:15.44 | tarzeau | nvz: i avoid videos on the web. and rather use my own mplayer |
| 11:15.45 | stoned | I was like dude, cut it the fuck out! |
| 11:15.46 | stoned | goddamit |
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| 11:15.58 | tarzeau | nvz: heck i even avoid using firefox and prefer links2 :) |
| 11:15.58 | asg | stoned: take the broom handle to the source |
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| 11:16.28 | nvz | tarzeau: its not just videos.. its audio too.. there are embedded players written in firefox, and pages that are pure flash without html alt pages.. etc |
| 11:16.28 | stoned | asg: i wish i could |
| 11:16.36 | stoned | asg: long time no chat |
| 11:16.39 | stoned | whats been going on man |
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| 11:17.04 | tarzeau | nvz: yeah i just don't use those pages. do you know about the mplayer plugin? i know it doesn't do flash... there's gnash but i haven't seen it work ever |
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| 11:17.59 | x_link | Sometimes when I do apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade it wants to liberate space. |
| 11:18.05 | nvz | tarzeau: yeah I know about the mplayer plugin but I have no use in the world for it.. the only content I want to view is flash. I dont view movies and audio that I can play in my mplyaer/xine..etc in my browser, I just download it |
| 11:18.06 | x_link | Should I press Y those times or no? |
| 11:18.25 | x_link | Or does it depend on the files it wants to liberate? |
| 11:18.32 | nvz | tarzeau: right now all the content I am needing to see that I can't is flash.. now I can see it using flash 9, but not hear it |
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| 11:19.13 | stoned | x_link: liberate mei! |
| 11:19.59 | stoned | in that movie, event horizon, if I was gonna send a distress signal I woulda used english |
| 11:20.05 | stoned | fuck latin.. |
| 11:20.28 | stoned | i guess people start speaking latin in the future eh |
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| 11:22.59 | asg | stoned: usual, been busy though. |
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| 11:24.10 | stoned | ssdd |
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| 11:28.26 | x_link | stoned: What do you think? |
| 11:28.42 | stoned | x_link: I think many things. |
| 11:28.44 | x_link | Should I choose yes to free space or what I say no |
| 11:28.53 | stoned | some not so interesting as others. |
| 11:29.06 | x_link | Okey.. forgot about my question. |
| 11:29.09 | stoned | go fo rit |
| 11:29.14 | x_link | ok |
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| 11:29.27 | x_link | So I should press Y everytime when apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade wants to delete files? |
| 11:29.38 | stoned | sure |
| 11:29.48 | stoned | (like I know what I'm talking about anyway) |
| 11:29.51 | stoned | :) |
| 11:30.13 | stoned | I've no idea man, apt has never asked me anything like that |
| 11:30.22 | stoned | x_link: you have low diskspace? |
| 11:30.52 | stoned | x_link: maybe apt cache of downloaded packages is too much big and your drive has no more space to download new ones |
| 11:30.58 | stoned | apt-get clean takes care of that |
| 11:32.05 | cableroy | Is there a repos that have xen 3.0.4 amd64 ? i need 3.0.4 |
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| 11:34.11 | stoned | xen.. hmm innit that virtualizating/emulatoring software |
| 11:34.28 | cableroy | stoned, yes |
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| 11:34.51 | ece_ | hi, what is the release date of stable Etch ? |
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| 11:35.17 | stoned | ece_: there isn't one |
| 11:35.23 | tarzeau | !wir |
| 11:35.24 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:35.37 | neiljp | what's the recommended way to setup wpa under etch? |
| 11:35.38 | tarzeau | ece_: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org can be a hint |
| 11:35.56 | tarzeau | ece_: and also http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (when it says RC2) |
| 11:36.08 | stoned | well |
| 11:36.17 | stoned | actually when the number of release critical bugs is 0 |
| 11:36.21 | stoned | essentially |
| 11:36.32 | x_link | stoned: My drive that Debian is installed on is 250GB, I just use that hard drive for Debian. |
| 11:36.34 | stoned | its at about 50 something I think right now |
| 11:36.45 | tarzeau | stoned: more like 100? |
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| 11:36.49 | stoned | x_link: I've no idea mate.. |
| 11:36.52 | ece_ | tarzeau thnx |
| 11:37.02 | x_link | Sometimes when I do apt-get upgrade it wants to install files and sometimes remove files. |
| 11:37.03 | stoned | tarzeau: really |
| 11:37.04 | stoned | damn |
| 11:37.12 | tarzeau | stoned: here's another info page: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
| 11:37.35 | tarzeau | stoned: yes but i'm not sure which really are bugs, and which already have a patch and which are just not so important |
| 11:38.03 | tarzeau | stoned: however i think rc2 of d-i needs be released, then it should have about a week time and then .. |
| 11:38.43 | stoned | if everyone contributed to debian at the pace I do, it would NEVER even get finished |
| 11:39.06 | tarzeau | stoned: what do you contribute? bugs? bugfixes? |
| 11:39.11 | stoned | localization |
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| 11:39.39 | stoned | its not in and work is slow and there are only a handful of people working on it |
| 11:39.45 | stoned | like 3 others besides me |
| 11:39.46 | deb_noob | i'm trying to switch the connection on the motherboard for the sata drive to another location and it doesn't boot properly |
| 11:39.49 | stoned | lang-Ur |
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| 11:40.18 | stoned | Im also doing KDE alongside debian |
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| 11:40.33 | stoned | and there a few more people from ubuntu working on kde localization in my language |
| 11:40.39 | stoned | not enough debian dudes |
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| 11:41.31 | cydork | stoned: they should work with kde directly, shouldn't they? |
| 11:41.38 | stoned | they are |
| 11:41.42 | stoned | we are |
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| 11:41.56 | stoned | but kde users are spread across many distros |
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| 11:42.53 | deb_noob | stoned, can you help me? i'm trying to switch the connection on the motherboard for the hard drive that I boot, and when I do it doesn't boot properly |
| 11:43.05 | stoned | #hardware |
| 11:43.11 | stoned | im there |
| 11:44.30 | ctp | hi folks. is is normal that my / will be mounted as sysfs after chrooting into a debootstrap'ped environment? |
| 11:44.44 | stoned | deb_noob: join #hardware |
| 11:44.54 | deb_noob | thanks. |
| 11:46.21 | nvz | stoned: hmm.. I'm impressed. you are topic-aware.. coulda fooled me sometimes :P |
| 11:46.36 | cydork | heh |
| 11:46.49 | nvz | stoned: you came in here talking about your neighbors fucking.. heh |
| 11:46.59 | nvz | cydork: ;) |
| 11:47.13 | stoned | nvz: I'm not sure what you mean |
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| 11:47.36 | nvz | stoned: you asked that person to come talk about hardware with you in #hardware |
| 11:47.44 | stoned | heh :) |
| 11:48.05 | nvz | yet you told us about your neighbors sex life in #debian.. |
| 11:48.06 | stoned | I'm not a moron nvz as my nickname and my general demeanor would have others believe |
| 11:48.11 | nvz | that's funny to me |
| 11:48.22 | stoned | its just that I am fucked in the head |
| 11:48.25 | stoned | like totally :) |
| 11:48.30 | nvz | heh |
| 11:48.38 | cydork | stoned: we have no doubts about that! :) |
| 11:49.02 | stoned | lol |
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| 11:52.43 | neiljp | wow, wpa is very easy :) now just to figure out why my sound doesn't work :| |
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| 11:53.01 | Ulixes | i've just installed debian in my desktop, but aftet driver load my lcd says frequency not supported, can you help me?? |
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| 11:55.56 | Danmer | hi all |
| 11:56.22 | Danmer | dumb question, but when will Etch be out? :) I really need to know :) |
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| 11:58.21 | _FeelFree_ | !msg the bot |
| 11:58.21 | dpkg | well, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 11:59.25 | xand | Danmer: when it's ready |
| 11:59.28 | tarzeau | Danmer: nobody knows. but check http://dunc-bank.zoy.org |
| 11:59.41 | xand | release date is december 2006 |
| 11:59.52 | Danmer | aaarghh...xand, you are not the first who tells this to me =( |
| 12:00.05 | tarzeau | Danmer: why do you need to know? |
| 12:00.06 | xand | Danmer: well there's no other information |
| 12:00.46 | tarzeau | xand, Danmer you can help fix rc bugs :) |
| 12:00.59 | xand | fix them yourself |
| 12:01.11 | tarzeau | xand: i don't want etch. |
| 12:01.20 | xand | why do you assume I do? |
| 12:01.28 | tarzeau | xand: you're right, i shouldn't |
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| 12:01.35 | Danmer | tarzeau, teacher of "information technology" (if it can be called this way) wants to install Linux on new server |
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| 12:01.53 | Danmer | I think Debian can be used for it :) |
| 12:01.56 | tarzeau | Danmer: he can install the current stable, and later upgrade to the etch stable? |
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| 12:02.10 | tarzeau | Danmer: depends what the server needs to do |
| 12:02.13 | Danmer | no, there is only dial-up there +) |
| 12:02.38 | tarzeau | Danmer: so software package size matters? where are you? |
| 12:03.03 | Danmer | tarzeau, you mean country? |
| 12:03.06 | tarzeau | Danmer: yes |
| 12:03.09 | Danmer | Russia |
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| 12:04.07 | tarzeau | Danmer: dial-up is like 4kb/s download? |
| 12:04.11 | Danmer | School has only dial-up connection :) and connection to local big net, but there are no debian updates there |
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| 12:04.18 | Danmer | tarzeau, exactly |
| 12:04.30 | tarzeau | Danmer: can the school not set up a debian mirror? |
| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'lighttpd' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.53 | Danmer | tarzeau, no |
| 12:06.21 | xand | how would that help? |
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| 12:06.32 | Danmer | i hoped than debian dvds would be out soon :) |
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| 12:14.23 | TTT | hi, how do I lowercase a file in debian? |
| 12:14.42 | TTT | file contents i mean |
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| 12:15.12 | xand | TTT: maybe using sed |
| 12:15.17 | xand | or a perl script |
| 12:15.27 | TTT | sed, ok, using sed how? |
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| 12:16.17 | Jazon | hi guys. i have a perplexing problem with ssh. I can log into my account on the server from every computer except my laptop! the laptop saysssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 12:16.20 | xand | dunno |
| 12:16.26 | TTT | nevermind |
| 12:16.36 | blame | Could anyone please help me configure my wireless pcmcia card (linksys wpc54g). GUI tool in Gnome detects the card itself but when I configure it and try to initiate it reports:Determining IP information for eth0... failed; no link present. Check cable? . Any help? |
| 12:16.36 | xand | Jazon: sounds like hosts.deny is blocking it |
| 12:16.49 | xand | Jazon: check /var/log/auth.log on your server |
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| 12:18.11 | caahoy | ćȘćżæmplayerçć
ïŒ |
| 12:18.33 | xand | what? |
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| 12:21.53 | caahoy | äžșä»äč debiançł»ç»ćźèŁ
ćźæćéœæŻstable, èäžæŻ testing ? |
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| 12:22.24 | deb_noob | does anyone know where i can get libmp3lame for 64bit? |
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| 12:28.09 | multi_io | are all packages in testing and unstable signed these days? |
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| 12:30.15 | caahoy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:30.51 | garo | How can i mount a dir on a nfs-server without becoming root on the client ? |
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| 12:31.37 | tarzeau | garo: you can't really. |
| 12:31.42 | sep | garo, specify it in fstab, with the noauto,users argument ? |
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| 12:31.59 | tarzeau | garo: have automount configured, or sudo (but that's by becoming root really) |
| 12:32.21 | garo | sep: doesn't work since the name of the dir on the server changes often |
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| 12:33.26 | garo | ah well, bad luck for me... |
| 12:33.28 | garo | nevermind |
| 12:33.31 | RvGaTe | There is a screenshot database website soemwehre, i forgot the url, anyone knows what im talking about? :) |
| 12:33.43 | sep | garo, automount on the client, with the mount data in ldap. then when you change the dir on the server you update the automount data in the ldap |
| 12:34.20 | sep | or just export a symlink and point the symlink to the real data (that keeps moving around for some reason) |
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| 12:34.41 | Mazingaro | is anyone using rekall |
| 12:34.43 | Mazingaro | ? |
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| 12:45.47 | narutosan | how do u apt-get world?? |
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| 12:46.12 | freespace | you add the right apt-repo which contains world |
| 12:46.23 | freespace | try apt.christ.org |
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| 12:46.27 | freespace | :P |
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| 12:46.59 | Ronin | apt-get world? heh |
| 12:47.00 | TTT | what do you mean apt-get world? |
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| 12:50.14 | Ronin | thats what i was wondering |
| 12:50.29 | Ronin | narutosan: you know this is #debian and not #gentoo? |
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| 12:51.52 | christopherl | I see that some people write ~/folder and some /folder, what's that all about? |
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| 12:52.54 | sep | ~ means your HOME dir. so ~/folder is in your homedir /folder is in the root and it's called directory ! |
| 12:53.04 | apt | sep: okay |
| 12:53.11 | christopherl | aha ok |
| 12:53.12 | sep | apt, noo ! |
| 12:53.46 | streuner | !listauth sep |
| 12:53.52 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'sep' (8): dreck ;; pin ;; imhe ;; apt-mirror ;; loadbalance ;; debian-legal ;; jelly ;; bootchart. |
| 12:53.52 | streuner | apt, listauth sep |
| 12:53.54 | apt | factoid author list by 'sep' (1): means your home dir. so ~/folder. |
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| 12:54.22 | streuner | apt, forget means your home dir. so ~/folder. |
| 12:54.22 | apt | streuner: i didn't have anything called 'means your home dir. so ~/folder.' to forget |
| 12:54.27 | streuner | apt, forget means your home dir. so ~/folder |
| 12:54.27 | apt | streuner: i forgot means your home dir. so ~/folder |
| 12:54.40 | sep | thanks streuner |
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| 12:54.53 | cydork | !useless factoid |
| 12:54.53 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a Ubuntu user, or any factoid concerning factoids |
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| 12:55.16 | iwkse | hi all, anybody with a phoenix bios(laptop)? |
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| 12:56.03 | iwkse | i'm tryin to figure out how to select USB from boot |
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| 12:56.50 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I accidently ran chown -R www-data:www-data /. Then I changed back all the ownership (according to my recent backup copy). However, when I try to `su`, it says Authentication failure. I'm still able to login as root directly. Is it possible somehow to solve this? |
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| 12:58.04 | cgbirzan | hid3: Maybe look in the logs? /var/log/auth.log |
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| 12:58.38 | hid3 | thanks, will try it.. |
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| 13:00.34 | zamuro | I'm looking for fast repos... any suggestion? ftp.us.debian.org is not an option for me. |
| 13:00.55 | cydork | zamuro: try apt-spy . |
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| 13:01.30 | cydork | zamuro: netselect-apt can be use to.. |
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| 13:01.43 | cydork | hid3: you had backups of /bin ? |
| 13:02.00 | multi_io | can I determine whether a certain package is signed, without installing it? Maybe via debian.org? |
| 13:02.03 | hid3 | nope.. |
| 13:02.14 | cydork | hid3: what does ll /bin/su say? |
| 13:02.16 | hid3 | what could have changed in /bin? |
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| 13:02.31 | hid3 | btw, I found this when i tried to su myself: unix_chkpwd[25990]: check pass; user unknown |
| 13:03.09 | hid3 | cydork: you mean ls /bin/su? |
| 13:03.25 | cydork | hid3: na nevermind. |
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| 13:05.48 | cydork | hid3: what happens if you try su - username? |
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| 13:06.28 | hid3 | It also says authentication failure. I'm sure the password is ok. |
| 13:07.12 | cydork | hid3: permissions for /etc/shadow and /etc/passwd are ok? |
| 13:07.24 | hid3 | yes, double checked it.. |
| 13:08.52 | RvGaTe | How can i convert a .bin/.cue image to an .iso file ? |
| 13:09.32 | cgbirzan | bchunk - CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr |
| 13:09.46 | RvGaTe | great |
| 13:09.47 | jelly | RvGaTe: google for bin2iso |
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| 13:10.50 | jelly | ... or not |
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| 13:11.14 | RvGaTe | jelly sorry :P but i think bchunk will do just fine |
| 13:11.31 | RvGaTe | cgbirzan, thx |
| 13:11.37 | jelly | RvGaTe: yeah, better to use something in the distro |
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| 13:14.05 | dusty-work | Hrmm, I have an ubuntu server, it has an onboard crappy nic and a pci gigabyte nic (which i am currently using) the onboard one just sits there and does nothing, but looking through the logs I see lots of errors regarding this onboard nic eth1, is there a way to disable it or tell linux to ignore it as it is not going to be used? |
| 13:14.26 | sep | dusty-work, disable it in the bios ? |
| 13:14.52 | De_Mon | dusty-work where do the warnings come from? |
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| 13:15.18 | ctp | hi folks. i try to install grub from grub-shell. "setup (hd0)" results in "Error 12: Invalid device requested". but "setup ("+TAB suggests me hd0 and hd1. any idea what's going wrong? i'm trying it inside a chroot env. |
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| 13:16.30 | dusty-work | sep: Can;t reboot the server its in production... |
| 13:16.50 | dusty-work | De_Mon: nothing in particular its just some dhcp stuff and some IRQ stuff |
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| 13:17.31 | ndee | hello there, how can I make that when a user logs in per SSH, that he can only stay in his home directory? |
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| 13:18.03 | asg | ndee: look at libpam-chroot |
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| 13:19.12 | YogSothoth | Hi |
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| 13:21.41 | sep | dusty-work, unload the kernel module ? |
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| 13:23.51 | Alpha232 | when building a dpkg, if the build rules have multiple packages, is there a wya to tell dpkg-buildpackage to only build a specific one? |
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| 13:28.57 | Keith_S | how does a backup mail server work? say for example you have two mx records mail.blah.com 5 / mail2.blah.com ... and your mail client is set to get mail from mail.blah.com now mail.blah.com fails over |
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| 13:29.08 | Keith_S | how do they get email for mail2.blah.com |
| 13:29.19 | Keith_S | they would have to reconfigure the mail client ? |
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| 13:29.46 | petemc | Keith_S: the secondary mx waits for the primary to come back up, usuallu |
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| 13:30.21 | Keith_S | I see. |
| 13:30.34 | Keith_S | petemc: so if mx1 is offline mail wont get sent |
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| 13:30.48 | Keith_S | well it wont get recieved |
| 13:30.55 | infernixx | heya. I've written a script for debian boxes behind firewalls that uses netcat (which is suid executable) to connect to my IP so I can execute commands on the box (ssh access is not possible). however, the problem is that a suid netcat gives me uid=1000,gid=1000,euid=0,egid=0. if I then run apt-get update, it complains it can't write to /var/cache/apt/. i've been trying to work around this by wrapping apt-get inside su, but su 'requires a lo |
| 13:30.55 | infernixx | gin shell'. |
| 13:30.56 | Keith_S | to the users client. |
| 13:31.01 | petemc | Keith_S: the client wont get it, it will be recieved by the secondary and stored until such a time as the primary is up |
| 13:31.19 | Keith_S | petemc: I see. |
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| 13:31.20 | infernixx | does someone know of other methods to convert uid and gid to 0 when euid and egid are 0 already? |
| 13:31.30 | Tenkawa | is the apt bot flaking out or just ignoring me? |
| 13:31.35 | Keith_S | petemc: if there was no backup it would just try and resend it? |
| 13:31.43 | infernixx | and no, i'm not hacking the box, i own it :) |
| 13:31.50 | petemc | Keith_S: the sending server should retry for up to 4 days |
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| 13:33.32 | Tenkawa | someone refresh my memory |
| 13:33.46 | Tenkawa | whats the dpkg or apt output to create a list of packages to clone a system's layout? |
| 13:33.55 | Pons | guys, i'm having trouble with sendmail right now after upgrading today. Mail from smtp works fine but local mail (send from roundcube for example, using php's mail function) give me this error: WARNING: RunAsUser for MSP ignored, check group ids (egid=8, want=108) / can not chdir(/var/spool/mqueue-client/): Permission denied/ Program mode requires special privileges, e.g., root or TrustedUser.// group 8 is mail and group 108 is smmsp. Any advices on change |
| 13:33.55 | Pons | s arround this? |
| 13:34.47 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: it's in the manpage: dpkg --get-selections >myselections |
| 13:34.55 | Tenkawa | thank ya tarzeau |
| 13:34.57 | tarzeau | Tenkawa: on the ohter host dpkg --set-selections <myselections |
| 13:35.16 | Tenkawa | I couldnt remember if it was a dpkg or apt cli to prep it |
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| 13:36.41 | dos | ludu duĆŒo |
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| 13:37.06 | b_52Centos | hi |
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| 13:38.09 | darkskiez | does anyone use an 80Gb ipod with linux? if so, what software/version do you use? |
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| 13:40.54 | Kesha_NNM | Çäđàâńòâóéòć! òóò ćńòü đóńńêîăîâîđÿùèć? |
| 13:41.08 | Ronin | !de |
| 13:41.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 13:41.21 | Ronin | or at least theyre coming ffrom .de |
| 13:41.43 | Kesha_NNM | i'm sorry |
| 13:42.08 | Kesha_NNM | !ru |
| 13:42.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 13:45.35 | vlt | Hello. I have mounted an NFS share into my FS. When I open a directory in Konqueror a new file doesn't appear instantly in the browser window. would that be possible? |
| 13:45.36 | ndee | asg: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html <-- that's what I've tried but I don't want to set "UsePrivilegeSeparation no |
| 13:45.50 | ndee | " to yes. Do you know of maybe another way to get it running? |
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| 13:46.56 | rss | hi, I am having a weird problem here... when I click Open in Gimp or Firefox, they freeze and they have to be killed forcibly. |
| 13:47.12 | rss | is this been experienced before? |
| 13:47.47 | darkskiez | ndee: well u need to have that to yes, not no. |
| 13:48.04 | darkskiez | belm |
| 13:48.36 | justin | rss: do you have any broken mounted remote filesystems? |
| 13:48.50 | darkskiez | you need to set that to no, not yes, so you're ok with that |
| 13:48.58 | ndee | darkskiez: I have that set to yes |
| 13:49.12 | ndee | I mean I don't wanna set it to no, sorry |
| 13:49.34 | darkskiez | ndee: "In newer OpenSSH versions, however, the PAM code has been modified and do_pam_session is called before dropping priviledges so it will work even with Privilege separation is on" |
| 13:49.55 | ndee | darkskiez: OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian-8.sarge.6 is installed |
| 13:50.01 | darkskiez | is that newer? |
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| 13:50.10 | ndee | darkskiez: I think so, yes |
| 13:50.18 | ndee | newer than 3.6.1.p2 |
| 13:50.25 | darkskiez | sooooo, whats the problem? |
| 13:50.46 | ndee | it happens what is described in If you have Privilege Separation set to yes and your OpenSSH version does not behave properly you will need to disable it. If you don't, users that try to connect to your server and would be chrooted by this module will see this: |
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| 13:51.44 | darkskiez | tried addeding debug ? |
| 13:51.52 | darkskiez | thats a real verb |
| 13:52.16 | ndee | darkskiez: I don't know where to put the debug word in the /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 13:52.31 | darkskiez | after the chroot module line |
| 13:52.43 | ndee | just "debug"? |
| 13:52.56 | darkskiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.09 | ndee | okay |
| 13:53.11 | ndee | gonna try that |
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| 13:53.24 | adrakoa | hi |
| 13:53.42 | ctp | if i use /boot on softraid-1 array /dev/md0 how to define root in grub's menu.lst? root (hd0,0)? |
| 13:54.14 | ndee | darkskiez: where would I then see the debug output? I tried tail -f /var/log/debug |
| 13:54.20 | darkskiez | auth.log perhaps |
| 13:54.20 | ndee | but it had no entry. |
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| 13:55.06 | ndee | do you know any paste service? |
| 13:55.35 | ndee | darkskiez: http://rafb.net/p/24po6i87.html <-- that's the output |
| 13:55.56 | Fox | http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:56.30 | darkskiez | nothing wrong looking there i suppose |
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| 13:56.58 | darkskiez | u could run sshd with debug on and watch that on a connection |
| 13:56.58 | Neeesat25 | Hello to all |
| 13:57.24 | darkskiez | can you chroot to that jail OK when logged in as root? |
| 13:57.30 | darkskiez | and su to the user ? |
| 13:57.36 | Neeesat25 | I have asus with AMD 64 CPU and I was wondering which net install to use. Is it ia64? or i386? |
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| 13:57.47 | ndee | darkskiez: no. |
| 13:58.10 | darkskiez | ndee: why not ? |
| 13:58.22 | fireba11 | Neeesat25: amd64 ? |
| 13:58.25 | ndee | darkskiez: don't know, I followed the instructions in the link. |
| 13:58.32 | Neeesat25 | yes amd64 |
| 13:58.33 | darkskiez | what does chroot say ? |
| 13:58.44 | ndee | when I'm logged in and do a "su username", I don't end up in the jail |
| 13:59.02 | fireba11 | Neeesat25: no, i mean use amd64 tree or i386 if you want 32-bit |
| 13:59.36 | Neeesat25 | I still can use 32bit with this CPU with no problems? |
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| 13:59.56 | ndee | freespace: hm? :) |
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| 14:00.21 | freespace | i thought the "su someuser and don't end up in jail" was amusing |
| 14:00.24 | freespace | :P |
| 14:00.29 | freespace | try su NSA :P |
| 14:00.32 | ndee | ah :D |
| 14:00.43 | debfanman | hello |
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| 14:01.28 | debfanman | do I need to reg with nickserv for anything special? |
| 14:01.41 | fireba11 | Neeesat25: yes |
| 14:02.04 | Neeesat25 | fireball11: Thanks |
| 14:02.26 | kingsley | What's a good way to clone a disk on a remote box? |
| 14:02.45 | darkskiez | ndee: when your logged in as root, can you "chroot /home/user/jail" |
| 14:03.13 | debfanman | can you guys see me? or do I gotta reg with nickserv before I can talk? |
| 14:03.17 | vlt | kingsley: _on_ or _to_ a remote box? |
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| 14:03.41 | cahoot | or from? |
| 14:04.35 | ndee | darkskiez: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 14:04.45 | kingsley | vlt: Thanks for asking. Either is OK for me. My main concern is preserving file permissions faithfully, which is a problem when one box is running a live CD with different /etc/passwd and /etc/group files. |
| 14:05.02 | debfanman | hey, can you guys see me now? :) |
| 14:05.08 | vlt | no |
| 14:05.08 | asg | debfanman: yes |
| 14:05.10 | scv | no |
| 14:05.19 | ndee | debfanman: nope |
| 14:05.32 | debfanman | lol, sorry, not used to forced nickserv reg. when did that take affect? |
| 14:05.33 | cahoot | hilariuos |
| 14:05.34 | asg | kingsley: dump / restore over ssh is one way if your partition schemes match |
| 14:05.36 | scv | you are stealthy |
| 14:06.06 | scv | s/stealthy/cloak |
| 14:06.17 | kingsley | asg: The two boxes have different size disks and partitions. |
| 14:07.23 | asg | kingsley: maybe rsync over ssh then or tar. Either will save permissions / ownerships. differing passwd / group files shouldn't matter since they just map uid/gids to names |
| 14:07.25 | kingsley | rep -i mail |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | debfanman: it's not forced |
| 14:07.37 | kingsley | Oops, wrong window. |
| 14:07.57 | debfanman | abrotman: thanks, helpful as always around here you guys |
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| 14:08.29 | carbon60 | Anyone know of an email reporting/archiving solution that would just take mail via SMTP? |
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| 14:09.26 | kingsley | asg: Like you, I assumed that rsync would work, but what I've learned is that rsync running under a live CD on the destination box has different /etc/passwd and /etc/group files, which causes rsync to replace user names and groups with their corresponding numbers from the source box. |
| 14:09.51 | asg | kingsley: hmm, I thought there was an option to prevent that. |
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| 14:11.01 | asg | kingsley: --numeric-ids |
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| 14:13.10 | kingsley | asg: It seems to me that rsync's "--numeric-ids" option causes it to transfer gids and uids, however, I want to copy files with their correct user and group names. |
| 14:14.32 | asg | kingsley: hmmm |
| 14:15.14 | kingsley | asg: But I haven't tried it, and the man page may be vague, so I could be wrong. |
| 14:15.27 | debfanman | anyone know of any local or state laws forbidding me from drinking this much coffee? |
| 14:15.42 | justin | kingsley: so then wouldn't you just leave out that option? |
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| 14:16.04 | asg | kingsley: since you are cloning, once the files are on the other drive and, presuming the passwd and group files are cloned also, it shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 14:16.42 | abrotman | debfanman: depends how you acquired said coffee |
| 14:17.20 | debfanman | abrotman: legally you can be sure of that heh |
| 14:17.59 | azeem | debfanman: do you have a Debian question? |
| 14:18.03 | debfanman | anyways, came here lookin for anyone who might have noticed slow network connections in a vmware environment |
| 14:18.04 | kingsley | justin: Yes, of course, and I've tried not using --numeric-ids, but, when I don't, and rsync can't find a file's user on the destination box, it substitutes a number like "1002" for user names, and I want files to keep their user names, which may require a more sophisticated cloning utility that copies /etc/passwd and /etc/groups first. |
| 14:18.39 | azeem | kingsley: as soon as you have finished cloning, passwd will know that "1002" is the appropriate user |
| 14:18.50 | azeem | or rather ls will know through passwd |
| 14:19.52 | kingsley | azeem: I suspect that rsync wrote "1002" as a text string, rather than retained it as a binary formated number. |
| 14:19.55 | debfanman | azeem: aside from a vmware question which prolly isnt supported here, curious, which irc server should I be on for debian? this one or the debian specific one? |
| 14:19.59 | azeem | kingsley: eh? |
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| 14:20.12 | azeem | kingsley: the uid is part of the inode/Unix standard |
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| 14:20.31 | azeem | debfanman: your choice |
| 14:20.44 | justin | kingsley: ah, of course.. if the user isn't found, rsync would need to ADD it, which is out of its scope. look into ldap or like you said, manually syncing /etc/passwd |
| 14:21.09 | kingsley | azeem: In any case, I'm certain that after copying the files with rsync, and listing them with "ls -l", instead of seeing user and group names like "azeem", I see "1002 1002". |
| 14:21.24 | azeem | kingsley: that means you haven't synced passwd yet |
| 14:21.47 | azeem | one you have a /etc/passwd which references "1002" as "azeem", ls will display "azeem" again |
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| 14:22.29 | kingsley | justin: I'm glad you understand my dilemma. It seems to me that I must not be the first person who wants to remotely clone a disk, and this problem has almost certainly been solved before. |
| 14:23.22 | debfanman | kingsley: clone as in "dd"? i think i missed your initial question though, but maybe I could help a bit. |
| 14:23.44 | justin | kingsley: if you are wanting to clone everything, clone /etc/passwd first, then the rest should work out fine |
| 14:23.54 | kingsley | azeem: Correct. rsync is running on the destination box with a live CD with a different /etc/passwd file. |
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| 14:24.09 | azeem | kingsley: are you getting any errors? |
| 14:24.58 | kingsley | debfanman: Like you, I considereed dd, but I'm concerned that the disks are different sizes, and I might waste disk space by dd'ing a small file system to a larger one. |
| 14:25.23 | kingsley | debfanman: s/larger one/larger disk/ |
| 14:25.42 | debfanman | kingsley: true, but the unused space could be allocated easily later with fdisk/cfdisk |
| 14:26.14 | tonb | hai! ppl |
| 14:26.19 | stew_ | but why use dd if rsync is working correctly for him? |
| 14:26.30 | debfanman | kingsley: or something like fips couldnt be used I would imagine to resize it to the full disk |
| 14:26.44 | kingsley | azeem: Yes, persmission errors. |
| 14:26.57 | azeem | like? |
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| 14:27.39 | debfanman | stew_: sorry, i kinda came in mid conversation. i gather he's using rsync now :) Im sure rysnc works, but every solution has its pitfalls. And it seems like he ran into one or he wouldnt be asking |
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| 14:27.59 | stew | debfanman: yes, but dd wouldn't fix the problem he's complaining about |
| 14:28.00 | kingsley | azeem: Like more errors than the American neocons have made since 2003. |
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| 14:28.15 | azeem | kingsley: can you cite one in full? |
| 14:28.16 | stew | kingsley: can you give a concrete example/ |
| 14:28.17 | tonb | any idea how i can speed up coping hdd to file using dd. ? hdparm -T -t give me on SATA disk (80GB) speed around 65mb/s. i'm using dd if=/dev/sdb of=file bs=1024k and i get 7.2mb/s . without bs i get 2.2 mb/s. with bs=10M i get around 12mb/s up to 15mb/s |
| 14:28.36 | tonb | i have mirrored around 20 hdd's and always i have around 40mb/s . but this new part |
| 14:28.38 | tonb | is weird. |
| 14:28.38 | debfanman | stew: ya, i missed that problem. besides, for a clone i would sooner use an offline soltuion like dd rather than rsync files that could be open and in use like rdbms files etc |
| 14:28.54 | tonb | i can't speed up proces of coping. any help ? |
| 14:28.56 | azeem | debfanman: he's running from a livecd |
| 14:29.24 | debfanman | azeem: ok, that explains the rsync |
| 14:30.04 | azeem | kingsley: dude |
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| 14:30.25 | azeem | kingsley: I say there are no permission errors, just a lack of Unix concepts on your part |
| 14:30.33 | azeem | kingsley: so if you say there *are* errors, please cite them |
| 14:31.00 | debfanman | tonb: ive always wondered about that. ever tried a multiple of of 32k rather than just randomly large size? im thinking it would best be a multiple of the drive's buffer size |
| 14:31.09 | azeem | that the uids are not gettings resolved to login names right now is expected if you passwd database differs to the one your rsycing from/for |
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| 14:32.28 | debfanman | tonb: keep in mind also that you will be prolly half the speed of your copying to/from the device itself as the drive is constantly moving the heads back and forth |
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| 14:32.54 | metaperl | I am planning to reboot the Debian/testing installer in rescue mode, so I can go through setup and choose install grub... does it matter whether I choose rescue or rescuegui? |
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| 14:33.33 | azeem | metaperl: your choice |
| 14:33.39 | azeem | I guess |
| 14:33.40 | sep | metaperl, no, one gives you a ncurses ui, the other a pointy clickity ui |
| 14:33.41 | stew | metaperl: if you choose gui, the fonts and background color will be different, the functionality will bet the same |
| 14:33.53 | metaperl | ok great thanks |
| 14:34.15 | debfanman | kingsley: if your haveing such an issue with passwd names not resolving, ever tried copying your original passwd to the livecd? or is /etc on the ro cdrom isnt of a ramfs? |
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| 14:34.34 | debfanman | s/isnt/instead/ |
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| 14:35.34 | kingsley | debfanman: The live CD has its own /etc/passwd. |
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| 14:36.07 | kingsley | At the risk of appearing rude, I'm going to excuse myself and embark on yet another google research project. |
| 14:36.13 | azeem | kingsley: oh well. |
| 14:36.25 | azeem | kingsley: can you at least say whether the rsync run aborted with an error? |
| 14:36.28 | debfanman | kingsley: i gathered that. i was suggesting that you use the enteries from your old box if they are causing some sort of problem |
| 14:37.01 | debfanman | kingsley: but azeem has a point, if you give us a specific error, your more likely to get an explanation |
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| 14:37.40 | kingsley | azeem: Yes, I can. rsync completed. The permission errors happen after booting the "cloned" disk which rsync changed file owner and groups names of. |
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| 14:38.01 | azeem | kingsley: did you rsync with --numeric-ids? |
| 14:38.12 | kingsley | azeem: No. |
| 14:38.16 | debfanman | kingsley: does rysnc not have an option to use uid #'s instead of names? |
| 14:38.23 | azeem | kingsley: right, so people told you to do so |
| 14:38.28 | azeem | which would solve this problem |
| 14:38.40 | debfanman | i would agree with azeem on that one |
| 14:38.47 | azeem | kingsley: ... after you reboot into the cloned system |
| 14:39.37 | kingsley | I'll reconsider --numeric-ids. |
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| 14:41.23 | metaperl | ok, I chose to install grub to the root partition during initial install of Debian/testing and then tried again via rescue mode (during rescue mode I guess /dev/hda was the root partition, so I might've got that wrong). but anyway, I am getting "DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER" even though in my BIOS, the order of boot preference is CDROM, Floppy Disk, HDD-0 and nothing is in the cdr or floppy drive |
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| 14:42.19 | abrotman | metaperl: do you have some kind of raid ? |
| 14:42.33 | debfanman | metaperl: is it installed to the mbr? or if not mbr, is fdisk set to boot first partition since its installed possibly to partition only instead of mbr? |
| 14:42.35 | metaperl | raid.... I'm not sure... I dont think so |
| 14:42.45 | silya | tc htb question: classid 1:10 rate 33 kbit. filter1 -> 1:10 filter2 -> 1:10 so the question is filter1_speed==33 && filter2_speed==33? |
| 14:42.55 | metaperl | debfanman - during initial install, I told it to install GRUB to MBR |
| 14:43.03 | GeorgeS069 | metaperl: sounds like the partition may not be marked as bootable |
| 14:43.17 | metaperl | oh, not marked as bootable |
| 14:43.34 | metaperl | so I will go into rescuegui and run a shell and then do fdisk |
| 14:43.34 | GeorgeS069 | I could be wrong but,it's worth checking |
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| 14:47.10 | silya | so any ideas? |
| 14:47.30 | sussudio | %any ideas |
| 14:47.31 | badgers | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little thermal paste, and a handful of rabid oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:47.42 | debfanman | sussudio: ;) |
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| 14:48.16 | rpc | badgers did you have a good sleep tonight? ;) |
| 14:48.17 | badgers | rpc: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:48.25 | rpc | oh i see |
| 14:48.28 | debfanman | %sussudio |
| 14:48.28 | badgers | Kiss my shiny metal ass, debfanman! |
| 14:48.29 | rpc | badgers: botsnack |
| 14:48.30 | badgers | :), rpc |
| 14:48.38 | rpc | typical male ;) |
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| 14:48.54 | rpc | badgers: hola! |
| 14:48.54 | badgers | somebody said hola was Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:49.06 | rpc | he he |
| 14:49.13 | Ronin | heh someones a futurama fan i see |
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| 14:51.31 | mangz74 | hey all |
| 14:51.33 | mangz74 | :) |
| 14:52.03 | Grub_now | hi |
| 14:52.44 | mangz74 | this is not ubuntu? |
| 14:52.51 | mangz74 | hehehe |
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| 14:54.27 | pumpkin0 | Which prog extracts images (tiffs) from a pdf again ? |
| 14:55.34 | cydork | pumpkin0: pdfimages from xpdf-utils afaik. |
| 14:56.41 | pumpkin0 | cydork: thanks, works. |
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| 14:57.37 | kingsley | azeem: Do you happen to know how linux, and it particular an ext3 filesystem, would cope with numeric uids that have no entry in /etc/passwd, assuming that rsync can be coaxed to not convert the uids into text strings of numbers with --numeric-ids? |
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| 14:58.04 | azeem | kingsley: rsync doesn't convert them to test strings |
| 14:58.07 | azeem | eh, text strings |
| 14:58.09 | debfanman | kingsley: um, the fs always stores #'s not names |
| 14:58.26 | azeem | and yeah, what debfanman says |
| 14:58.38 | debfanman | kingsley: when you do a ls -l, the ls util looks up the numbers for you. try ls -ln |
| 14:59.29 | kingsley | Assuming you're correct, I find myself wondering what linux's ext3 filesystem would do if it couldn't find a file's uid in /etc/passwd. |
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| 14:59.55 | azeem | kingsley: the file system doesn't do anything |
| 14:59.56 | debfanman | kingsley: ext3 doesnt care about passwd file. the utils that list the names do, like ls or ftp programs |
| 15:00.07 | azeem | it is totally unconcerned with user names |
| 15:00.47 | debfanman | kingsley: and if a util like "ls" cant find a name for say 1003 uid, it will display just that, 1003, instead of a nonexistant nam |
| 15:00.49 | debfanman | e |
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| 15:01.15 | pumpkin0 | errm... got a bunch of pbm-files now. How do i batchconvert these into png ? |
| 15:01.17 | kingsley | OK, what would "ls -l" do with a file whose uid had no matching entry in /etc/passwd? |
| 15:01.29 | debfanman | kingsley: show the number |
| 15:01.31 | stew | kingsley: show the number instead of translating to a name |
| 15:01.53 | kingsley | That might work. |
| 15:01.57 | debfanman | ... |
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| 15:02.10 | debfanman | take a leap of faith |
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| 15:02.56 | cydork | pumpkin0: check man of pdfimages or use convert from imagemagick |
| 15:02.57 | debfanman | pumpkin0: xargs? |
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| 15:11.03 | luke-jr | ftp.debian.org isn't working? :( |
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| 15:11.57 | damosu | luke-jr, ftp.fi.debian.org |
| 15:12.01 | damosu | luke-jr, ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 15:12.05 | damosu | .... |
| 15:12.40 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 15:13.37 | luke-jr | thx |
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| 15:17.21 | dromer | hi, I'm having trouble with alsa getting to set up my soundcard (did alsaconf), I have a Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI which should be supported by alsa ( CT5880 (ES1373) ? ) |
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| 15:24.39 | emmenem_TM | is there anyone who can help me? |
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| 15:25.05 | petemc | emmenem_TM: probably, you would need to ask a question first tho |
| 15:25.06 | Ronin | emmenem_TM: did you tell us the problem? |
| 15:25.12 | emmenem_TM | sorry |
| 15:25.26 | emmenem_TM | i am doing some experiments involving ipsec |
| 15:25.45 | emmenem_TM | is this the right room to talk about ipsec + debian? |
| 15:25.59 | giupy | is ther a way to put my desktop in standby like a notebook without passing trugh the bios after recovery ? |
| 15:26.11 | giupy | trough |
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| 15:26.34 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 15:27.42 | Ono | hi. How can i use istanbul? |
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| 15:27.56 | Ono | i try to istanbul but notings to be happen. |
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| 15:28.52 | emmenem_TM | I am doing some experiments about Ipsec: i would like to change some bits in the ip packets. How am i supposed to do it? Is there any suitalble tool ? |
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| 15:29.04 | Ronin | ok ill ask, what is istanbul? other the a city name |
| 15:29.08 | christopherl | #flood |
| 15:29.15 | Ono | !istanbul |
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| 15:30.00 | Ono | istanbul is a desktop session recorder |
| 15:30.05 | Ono | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/istanbul |
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| 15:30.18 | fas3r | i have a local network with 40 computers ( 10 windows and 30 debian ) and i want to creta a little programme for know what ip is in use by computer ? but the problem is windows computers have firewall with ICMP filters ... nobody have an idea ? |
| 15:31.30 | petemc | nmap -P0 |
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| 15:31.46 | stew | fas3r: check the dhcp server logs? |
| 15:32.13 | fas3r | stew i haven't dhcp .. :s |
| 15:32.48 | fas3r | i have test with nmap but it was block by the firewal ... |
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| 15:34.20 | christopherl | is this text tab-delimited? http://channels.debian.net/paste/5231 |
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| 15:36.10 | asg | christopherl: no, it's comma delimited |
| 15:36.15 | curt | Fetched 15.8MB in 2s (7542kB/s) |
| 15:36.47 | christopherl | asg:what's tab-delimited? |
| 15:37.08 | asg | christopherl: tr ',' '\t' </path/to/that/file |
| 15:37.11 | fas3r | petemc, it' don't work |
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| 15:37.43 | asg | christopherl: asg@grep:~$ echo foo,bar,baz | tr ',' '\t' |
| 15:37.44 | asg | foo bar baz |
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| 15:39.04 | fas3r | it's difficult for make just a broadcast in C not a ping just a broadcast ? |
| 15:39.10 | christopherl | ok, thank's |
| 15:39.11 | stew | fas3r: how about running "arp -a" from the router? |
| 15:39.13 | petemc | fas3r: its 10 machines, walk around and look at the ips |
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| 15:39.54 | fas3r | petemc, :) |
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| 15:40.57 | fas3r | stew, it's a simple hub for the windows computer because they haven't internet |
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| 15:41.53 | ChrisGo | i installed using the net installer now i want to ssh to set things up. i keep getting connection refused is there some setup needed before I can use SSH? |
| 15:42.05 | asg | fas3r: the windows machines likely have port 139 open, nmap that |
| 15:42.53 | stew | ChrisGo: yes, you have to install ssh |
| 15:42.55 | asg | fas3r: nmap -P0 -p139 <subnet> |
| 15:42.57 | fas3r | asg, yes but the firewall block port scan too .. |
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| 15:43.20 | stew | fas3r: the machines can't do filesharing then? |
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| 15:43.28 | asg | fas3r: just scan for the single port. If they are blocking port 139, then ... what stew said |
| 15:43.37 | jair | hey guys there is a command to export X if I am trying to ssh to the gui on a remote Linux systems correct? |
| 15:43.44 | jair | it is that secure |
| 15:43.47 | jair | >? |
| 15:43.49 | stew | jair: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 15:43.50 | lepton | ChrisGo: apt-get install ssh |
| 15:44.04 | jair | stew: I am running my connection through a vpn |
| 15:44.08 | azeem | jair: you need to have X running on the local system |
| 15:44.21 | jair | azeem: yes gnome is running |
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| 15:45.09 | ChrisGo | lepton: that is sweet! where can i get a list of apt-get packages? |
| 15:45.11 | stew | ChrisGo: apt-get install ssh |
| 15:45.20 | stew | ChrisGo: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 15:45.26 | jair | !sshx |
| 15:45.26 | dpkg | methinks sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 15:47.40 | lepton | jair: I do it with tightvnc on my debian system; I use ssh port-forwarding to forward port 5901 |
| 15:47.41 | fas3r | asg, stew , thank it's work |
| 15:47.41 | asg | you're welcome |
| 15:47.51 | jair | lepton: how do you do that ?? example? |
| 15:47.55 | fas3r | but why it's work if i specify one port ? |
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| 15:48.10 | dav_ | elo |
| 15:48.39 | asg | fas3r: it was probably hanging while waiting for tcp timeouts on ports that were dropping packets instead of return a RST |
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| 15:48.42 | asg | *returning |
| 15:48.55 | fas3r | asg, oki |
| 15:49.15 | christopherl | asg: so if I want the text to be tab-delimited, I should write: | tr ',' '\t' after each line |
| 15:49.15 | dav_ | someone know a good software (G interface) for sip client on linux ? |
| 15:49.17 | ChrisGo | ssh is working thank you |
| 15:49.32 | fas3r | asg, it's possible it's work with a simple broadcast ? |
| 15:49.40 | asg | christopherl: er, not. just use the TAB key on your keyboard. |
| 15:50.27 | fas3r | asg, or other simple request ? |
| 15:50.27 | fas3r | becaus e 10 computeers is not grave but 100 .. |
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| 15:50.31 | asg | fas3r: you could perhaps use netcat to verify port openness in a while loop |
| 15:50.56 | bloo_sky | I've just done an apt-get upgrade and the program mutt calls to display html is no longer lynx, it's w3m, I can't find it in /etc/Muttrc, nor in /etc/alternatives, where is it set? |
| 15:51.26 | fas3r | asg, do you think it's possible to create a simple sh script for do all of what or i need to dev a little appli in C ? |
| 15:51.28 | asg | fas3r: you can also reduce the timeout time with nmap's options |
| 15:51.37 | asg | fas3r: no, a shell script should suffice |
| 15:51.44 | fas3r | asg, why not .. :) |
| 15:51.50 | fas3r | oki thx :) |
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| 15:52.00 | asg | fas3r: or you would use C if that's your preferred language |
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| 15:52.08 | hark | bloo_sky: try www-browser |
| 15:52.29 | ChrisGo | trying to build a package ./build_apt.sh and I need a no hassle compiler what apt-get would be best for my needs? |
| 15:52.31 | bloo_sky | hark, /etc/alternatives/www-browser still points at lynx |
| 15:52.37 | fas3r | asg, maybe i want to use the more simple and more the more faster :) |
| 15:53.01 | asg | fas3r: whatever works |
| 15:53.16 | fas3r | ^^ |
| 15:53.40 | fas3r | and in python ? |
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| 15:54.55 | laza | Hi! One of my HDs ran out of free space. I removed some large files and used went down, but available stayed at 0. unmoun, fsck, mount or reboot did not help. How can I reclaim the free space (and what is going on)? |
| 15:55.10 | asg | laza: were they log files? |
| 15:55.13 | ChrisGo | if i wanted gcc would i do apt-get install gcc or would i use one of the other version'd packages? |
| 15:55.42 | dav_ | do u know a good SIP software for Debian ? |
| 15:55.59 | asg | laza: oh, nevermind, you said you rebooted. |
| 15:56.03 | laza | asg: no just some archives |
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| 15:56.31 | asg | laza: put the output of df and df -i in a pastebin |
| 15:57.12 | ubinsp | hello! Who knows how to launch an interactive bash script at startup of my nux, before gdm is started? |
| 15:57.38 | tarzeau | ubinsp: in gnu screen from S50autoexec.bat in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 15:57.59 | tarzeau | ubinsp: the thing is it's interactive and you can get to it using screen -x (or -r). but why? |
| 15:58.16 | laza | asg: /dev/hdb3 181713260 173630752 0 100% /var/archive |
| 15:58.22 | laza | asg: /dev/hdb3 23085056 23912 23061144 1% /var/archive |
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| 15:58.30 | nyu_ | hi |
| 15:58.33 | nyu_ | can someone recommend a simple control panel (web+mail+ftp) that is free software, supports etch (wether in debian or not), and has commercial support available? |
| 15:58.34 | dusty-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.41 | dusty-work | s |
| 15:58.43 | dusty-work | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:59.01 | tarzeau | nyu_: to add/remove users? |
| 15:59.03 | asg | laza: remember also that on ext2/3 filesystems, 5% of the space is reserved for root's use |
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| 15:59.12 | justin | dusty-work: reinstall the default smb.conf that comes with the package. it works fine. |
| 15:59.19 | ubinsp | tarzeau: your method dosn't work |
| 15:59.28 | tarzeau | nyu_: yast has a bit of it. and webmin, but both are pretty ugly afaik |
| 15:59.30 | justin | dusty-work: the ONLY change you needed to make was to uncomment the line that said ' writable=yes' |
| 15:59.40 | tarzeau | ubinsp: yes it works for me. but i don't know what you really want to do exactly |
| 15:59.51 | ubinsp | tarzeau: ok |
| 16:00.00 | nachox | guys, is there any way to tell apt-get not to update the kernel? |
| 16:00.22 | asg | laza: man tune2fs ; /-m reserved-blocks-percentage |
| 16:00.27 | nyu_ | tarzeau: and add/remove websites, etc |
| 16:00.33 | dusty-work | justin: how would I do that? |
| 16:00.40 | GeorgeS069 | nachox: /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:00.46 | justin | dusty-work: ummmm, purge and reinstall samba I think should do it |
| 16:00.47 | nyu_ | tarzeau: yast has commercial support? |
| 16:00.52 | bloo_sky | hark, in case it comes up again, it's in /etc/mailcap, I just commented out the lines (2 of 'em) with w3m in, that left lynx as default, |
| 16:00.53 | nyu_ | (and is free sw?) |
| 16:01.24 | tarzeau | nyu_: yes , by suse/novell |
| 16:01.32 | laza | asg: ah, ok that may be the problem. I will check. Thanks for the hint. |
| 16:01.37 | ubinsp | tarzeau: but for me, the script is launched, but I can't speak with it to input a password |
| 16:01.40 | nyu_ | tarzeau: and supports debian? |
| 16:01.52 | asg | laza: you're welcome |
| 16:01.52 | nyu_ | tarzeau: I thought yast was a general system setup tool |
| 16:02.04 | tarzeau | nyu_: i don't think there are debian packages, or debian support |
| 16:02.15 | nyu_ | d'oh |
| 16:02.15 | tarzeau | nyu_: it is, just ignore the rest? |
| 16:02.27 | tarzeau | nyu_: you want something custom or do it right. try www.debian.org/consultants |
| 16:02.32 | nyu_ | tarzeau: I'll have a look |
| 16:03.06 | nyu_ | tarzeau: I need something that works right now, and with someone who can support it for money in the middle term |
| 16:03.26 | tarzeau | nyu_: well it's easy what you want can be done in a day |
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| 16:03.37 | tarzeau | nyu_: sit together with a consultant tell him what you need IN DETAIL |
| 16:03.44 | tarzeau | nyu_: and he should be able to support it |
| 16:03.54 | nyu_ | tarzeau: $boss doesn't see it this way :/ |
| 16:04.02 | tarzeau | nyu_: i can write you such a control panel |
| 16:04.13 | laza | asg: Is it ok to set this to 0? |
| 16:04.25 | nyu_ | tarzeau: for tomorrow? :-) |
| 16:04.37 | tarzeau | nyu_: sure, do you have details what you need besides that stuff you just told? |
| 16:04.51 | nachox | GeorgeS069: thanks :) |
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| 16:05.02 | tarzeau | nyu_: web,mail,ftp isn't hard. you didn't say anything about dns or shell access |
| 16:05.03 | GeorgeS069 | nachox: you're welcome |
| 16:05.20 | tarzeau | nyu_: nor backups |
| 16:05.21 | nyu_ | tarzeau: I need something that looks "reputable", with commercial support etc |
| 16:05.35 | nyu_ | and free software, of course |
| 16:05.49 | nyu_ | if I don't find it, I guess they'll get the first non-free one available :/ |
| 16:06.24 | tarzeau | nyu_: let them get the first non-free one if you can't do it yourself |
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| 16:08.59 | REyM | I have a lot of maps where I want to place a symlinkin. Is there some way to do somehting like this? ln -s /path/to/symlink /home/*/ |
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| 16:10.17 | nyu_ | tarzeau: :( |
| 16:10.55 | tarzeau | REyM: yes using a for loop? |
| 16:11.11 | REyM | how to do that in bash? |
| 16:11.42 | dkr | so my kernel panic turned out not to be a problem with ntfs-3g. I tried copying the file from ntfs to ext3 booted into windows (using nifty ext3 addon support for xp I downloaded) and windows also crashed. Then I tried copying from ntfs to ntfs and it crashed again, so I think there is somethign screwy with the mb's jmicron controller providing the pata bus the old disk is on. |
| 16:11.57 | dkr | REyM: are you sure you don't have your order of arguments reversed? |
| 16:12.34 | cgbirzan | for foo in /home/*/; do ln -s /path/to/symlink $foo |
| 16:12.36 | cgbirzan | ; done |
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| 16:13.31 | REyM | dkr 'ln -s /dir/I/want/to/symlink /in/here/' isn't correct? |
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| 16:14.05 | dkr | yes, just making sure you weren't thinking the first arg was the symlink to be created. 've made that mistake a coupe times, :) |
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| 16:14.26 | dav_ | Noone ever used any SIP client here ? |
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| 16:14.46 | JordiGH | symlinks are always backwards. I haven't found a mnemonic that always works. |
| 16:14.51 | mark123_ | anyone got a guide for rolling etch back to sarge? |
| 16:14.58 | JordiGH | !downgrade |
| 16:14.59 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 16:15.21 | JordiGH | mark123_: reinstall. :-( |
| 16:15.26 | stew | JordiGH: they work the same way as cp |
| 16:15.27 | REyM | cgbirzan does that create symlink in /home/user/? |
| 16:15.36 | stew | REyM: yes |
| 16:15.40 | mark123_ | thanks :) |
| 16:15.43 | REyM | ok, cool |
| 16:16.18 | JordiGH | stew: Yeah, I know it's from "src" to "dest", but I keep forgetting if the symlink to be created is src or dest. |
| 16:16.26 | JordiGH | Anyways, I sued to... |
| 16:16.34 | mark123_ | upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to |
| 16:16.34 | mark123_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.34 | mark123_ | <JordiGH> mark123_: reinstall. :-( |
| 16:16.37 | mark123_ | oops sorry |
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| 16:16.41 | mark123_ | sorry! |
| 16:16.43 | mark123_ | im off, thanks guys |
| 16:17.22 | RvGaTe | moron |
| 16:17.29 | stew | JordiGH: just like cp, the last argument is the new file to be created |
| 16:17.49 | REyM | thanks tarzeau, dkr, cgbirzan and stew :) |
| 16:18.09 | dkr | maybe it's the -s that causes the confusion, makes you think the arg to the -s is the name of the symlink to be created |
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| 16:18.58 | ChrisGo | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables configure failed for srclib/apr Apache build failed (0)... any ideas |
| 16:19.16 | JordiGH | apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:19.34 | JordiGH | Then again... |
| 16:19.38 | JordiGH | !wayc ChrisGo |
| 16:19.40 | dpkg | ChrisGo: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 16:19.46 | curt | hehe |
| 16:19.54 | asg | laza: you can, it just means that if your filesystem gets full, root will not be able to fix things as easily. The choice is up to you. |
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| 16:21.31 | jjazz | dav_: twinkle |
| 16:21.34 | Firestarter- | Is it possible to download a firefox package and remove iceweasel? And where can I get a firefox package? |
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| 16:21.58 | jjazz | dav_: Basically, they all stink, but Twinkle is ok and getting better |
| 16:22.10 | jetscreamer | mozilla.com |
| 16:22.38 | JordiGH | will "su -" transfer X credentials? I don't have the root password on this machine to test it. |
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| 16:22.57 | petemc | JordiGH: dont think so |
| 16:23.01 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: Debian doesn't distribute Firefox anymore. |
| 16:23.07 | svilendotor1 | is Etch installable now? because a few days ago there were problems with cd's |
| 16:23.21 | tarzeau | svilendotor1: yes it is |
| 16:23.27 | tarzeau | svilendotor1: which version? rc1? |
| 16:23.33 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: You can try to get the Ubuntu firefox dotdeb, but caveat downloader. |
| 16:23.34 | tarzeau | daily? i386? |
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| 16:23.36 | stew | Firestarter-: what is wrong with iceweasel? it should behave just like firefox |
| 16:23.37 | nyu_ | Firestarter-: iceweasel *is* firefox |
| 16:23.41 | svilendotor1 | daily builds |
| 16:23.43 | jjazz | JordiGH: no |
| 16:23.45 | svilendotor1 | amd64 |
| 16:23.48 | nyu_ | just with another name due to legal reasons |
| 16:23.53 | svilendotor1 | Etch daily amd64 :) |
| 16:24.50 | Firestarter- | stew: ever since the upgrade I can't hear sound with flash |
| 16:24.51 | JordiGH | Having a full logo now is nice instead of a generic unhumped Earth. |
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| 16:25.12 | craigevil | there is no difference other than the name and logos |
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| 16:25.16 | _NY-TY | does anyoe have winex and cedega in .deb package for amd64? |
| 16:25.20 | _NY-TY | btw hello |
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| 16:25.29 | _NY-TY | wine and cedega |
| 16:25.30 | _NY-TY | please |
| 16:25.39 | craigevil | Firefox 2.0 and Iceweasel 2.0 behave the same |
| 16:25.47 | JordiGH | craigevil: Not true. There are Debian patches in iceweasel. |
| 16:26.01 | Eclipser | craigevil, there's some difference |
| 16:26.10 | Eclipser | some functionality was removed for iceweasel too |
| 16:26.23 | craigevil | removed like? |
| 16:26.34 | curt | ya like my tabs no longer detach in ice like they used to in fire |
| 16:26.51 | JordiGH | craigevil: After all, that's the point. If there weren't any difference, then Mozilla wouldn't have a problem with Debian using the humped Earth logo. |
| 16:27.04 | craigevil | when did tabs detach? thats a konqueror thing |
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| 16:27.34 | curt | craigevil, no happened all the time .. had to close the tab in the main window or fox crashed |
| 16:27.41 | ChrisGo | !wayc |
| 16:27.41 | dpkg | wayc is, like, Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
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| 16:28.05 | innu | Hey. I have 2 versions of libkrb53 in apt-get cache. I want install second one. how can i do it? |
| 16:28.13 | JordiGH | !penixstrike ChrisGo |
| 16:28.14 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ChrisGo to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:28.16 | ChrisGo | it is the mapguide package it doubt its on the stable package list |
| 16:28.35 | ChrisGo | so i have to untar and ./build |
| 16:29.05 | ChrisGo | it installs apache tomecat and everything it needs to run kinda nice but yea have to dink with building it |
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| 16:30.16 | ChrisGo | apt-get install build-essential worked with that would i even need to install gcc seperate? and thanks |
| 16:30.37 | svilendotor1 | tarzeau: i'm asking about the daily builds because the Etch AMD64 daily netinstall didn't want to install |
| 16:30.42 | JordiGH | No, gcc will get pulled in. |
| 16:31.02 | svilendotor1 | tarzeau: so, you think it's fixed now? |
| 16:31.24 | JordiGH | ChrisGo: You're likely to have to apt-get install other dependencies in order to build. Read INSTALL for your source tarball. |
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| 16:31.56 | ChrisGo | this is basically it https://mapguide.osgeo.org/1.1/docs/BuildInstallQuickStartLinux.html |
| 16:32.06 | bigwig | i have a Debian Sarge with kernel version 2.6.19.2 |
| 16:32.21 | innu | Hey. I have 2 versions of libkrb53 in apt-get cache. I want install second one. how can i do it? |
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| 16:32.27 | ChrisGo | only thing im worried about is MapGuide requires the J2SE Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 |
| 16:32.34 | bigwig | the load is getting higher and higher every minute |
| 16:32.56 | bigwig | ps shows that there are a bunch of CRON processes with state 'D' (uninterruptable sleep) |
| 16:33.01 | bigwig | what to do? |
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| 16:33.07 | JordiGH | innu: apt-get cache? You mean /var/apt/cache? |
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| 16:33.23 | innu | apt-cache policy libkrb53 |
| 16:33.25 | JordiGH | innu: And you have a dotdeb in there, and you want to install a particular one? |
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| 16:33.35 | BarryAllen | hi all... somebody knows where i can get an sarge installer, with newers sata supports ? |
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| 16:34.02 | stew | ChrisGo: why are you compiling apache? |
| 16:34.07 | JordiGH | innu: Ah. apt-get install -t [testing|testing|unstable] packagename. |
| 16:34.08 | innu | i have there two versions. one from sarge main, other from testing repo |
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| 16:34.29 | JordiGH | innu: If you want testing, do apt-get install -t testing packagename |
| 16:34.30 | stew | ChrisGo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:34.31 | ChrisGo | stew: it comes with the package so wh not go standard since this server will only run mapguide |
| 16:34.31 | innu | y, ty |
| 16:34.44 | ChrisGo | stew: just did a netinstall today |
| 16:34.46 | BarryAllen | nobody? :( |
| 16:35.01 | stew | ChrisGo: what is standard? |
| 16:35.08 | Ronin | BarryAllen: have you tried the linux26 option when installing sarge? |
| 16:35.08 | stew | ChrisGo: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:35.22 | BarryAllen | Ronin, yes |
| 16:35.48 | BarryAllen | Ronin, and suse 10.2 works fine with the same hardware... but i really want use debian on it |
| 16:35.50 | Firestarter- | /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc contains a line ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" . Should I change this to make the sound work in iceweasel? |
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| 16:36.01 | Ronin | BarryAllen: you may have to go to etch i suspect |
| 16:36.06 | stew | ChrisGo: re-compiling apache everytime a new security patch is released is going to be a pain |
| 16:36.13 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: Are you running KDE? |
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| 16:36.17 | BarryAllen | Ronin, i found some foruns about custom installer with newer kernel... |
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| 16:36.21 | BarryAllen | Ronin, sarge |
| 16:36.26 | Firestarter- | JordiGH: yes |
| 16:36.30 | craigevil | Firestarter-: you shouldn't have to |
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| 16:36.44 | BarryAllen | Ronin, but i just found deadlinks |
| 16:36.51 | ChrisGo | stew: so your saying install as web server and work from there? |
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| 16:37.17 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: The last line in iceweaselrc contains the command that iceweasel actually runs. If you have aRTs enabled, modify that command so that it run "artsdp iceweasel.bin" (or whatever) instead of plain "iceweasel" |
| 16:37.33 | ChrisGo | so debain has a command that updates packages auto? |
| 16:37.42 | ChrisGo | debian sorry |
| 16:37.52 | JordiGH | ChrisGo: apt-get update. But usually not recommended to make it a cron job. |
| 16:38.01 | JordiGH | ChrisGo: Er, apt-get upgrade |
| 16:38.23 | ChrisGo | so apt-get upgrade will find all packages and update them? holy |
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| 16:38.40 | ChrisGo | i think im in love |
| 16:38.43 | Indephysis | Are there any really good mirrors for ftp.debian.org? I'm getting really bad speeds getting packages from it. |
| 16:38.51 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: artsdsp |
| 16:39.04 | GeorgeS069 | Indephysis: You could try using apt-spy |
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| 16:39.16 | HymnToLife | Indephysis, ftp.YOUR_COUNTRY_CODE.debian.org |
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| 16:39.17 | dav_ | what is the microphone device name on Debian ? |
| 16:39.26 | GeorgeS069 | Indephysis: you may want to backup your sources list before you run it though |
| 16:39.29 | HymnToLife | for me : ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 16:39.34 | hark | BarryAllen: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:39.36 | Indephysis | I don't even know where my sources list is. |
| 16:39.47 | Indephysis | It's been quite some time since I've used any Linux :( |
| 16:39.48 | karsten | Indephysis: /etc/apt/ |
| 16:39.53 | GeorgeS069 | Indephysis: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:39.54 | karsten | Indephysis: man sources.list |
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| 16:40.02 | Indephysis | Okay, thanks! :D |
| 16:40.15 | JordiGH | ChrisGo: It will update a lot of packages, but not all of them. Packages move around quite wildly, and sometimes different packages have to be installed to satisfy dependencies, packages can change names, newer packages may conflict with older ones. apt-get upgrade is a conservative upgrade that won't do anything fancy. apt-get dist-upgrade is more aggressive, and will attempt to remove or install packages you previously didn't have if it needs to. |
| 16:40.16 | BarryAllen | hark, tks |
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| 16:40.20 | ChrisGo | whats the diff between update and upgrade? |
| 16:40.35 | hark | ChrisGo: read the man page |
| 16:40.42 | JordiGH | ChrisGo: update updates the list of available packages. upgrade actually installs them. |
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| 16:40.57 | enouf | !tell ChrisGo -about apt howto |
| 16:40.59 | Indephysis | So... ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 16:41.08 | cahoot | dav_: does /proc/asound/pcm imply you have a special mic device? |
| 16:41.14 | ChrisGo | thanks |
| 16:41.25 | GeorgeS069 | Indephysis: that should work fine |
| 16:41.38 | dav_ | cahoot, no it is on my sound card but i m using a SIP software and no way to use the mic ! |
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| 16:41.42 | emmenem_TM | a |
| 16:42.15 | Firestarter- | JordiGH: how can I be sure my system uses artsdsp? |
| 16:42.19 | cahoot | dav_: you use alsa? |
| 16:42.36 | Indephysis | http://security.us.debian.org? |
| 16:42.46 | ChrisGo | so just a shit in the dark you shoud do an update then an upgrade |
| 16:42.53 | ChrisGo | lol shot* |
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| 16:43.06 | enouf | !tell Indephysis -about mirrors |
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| 16:43.29 | bigwig | how can i tell what a process is waiting for? |
| 16:43.31 | enouf | !tell Indephysis -about apt howto |
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| 16:44.02 | zachhale | how do i install a usb module to my kernel so i can write to usb hard drives? |
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| 16:44.14 | dav_ | cahoot, aparently this is art |
| 16:44.19 | zachhale | i get a usb device is not claimed by any active driver when i try to plug one in |
| 16:44.20 | geekbr | hey addict |
| 16:44.24 | enouf | !tell zachhale -about usbstorage |
| 16:44.25 | geekbr | are yo ok ? |
| 16:44.44 | abrotman | !tell zachhale about vfatrw |
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| 16:45.12 | cahoot | dav_: arts is a layer above alsa or possibly oss - do you have a /proc/asound dir? |
| 16:45.22 | zachhale | enouf: how do i install kernel modules? |
| 16:45.33 | dav_ | cahoot, yes i ave |
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| 16:46.06 | cahoot | dav_: the mic is connected to the soundcard or an usb device? |
| 16:46.26 | dav_ | cahoot, no it is connected to the spouynd card but in front of the PC not directly on it |
| 16:46.45 | dav_ | cahoot, s/spouynd/sound |
| 16:46.47 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: Are you getting the cutesy KDE sounds? When you resize a window, for instance? If you are, then you're using aRTs, and aRTs is hogging the sound card. You need to run Fire, er, Iceweasel within aRTs if you want it to produce sound. |
| 16:46.56 | stew | ChrisGo: i'm saying start with "apt-get install apache php5 tomcat" instead of building apache and php yourself |
| 16:47.01 | cahoot | dav_: you use kde I take it? |
| 16:47.05 | stew | ChrisGo: please don't /msg me |
| 16:47.11 | dav_ | cahoot, yes |
| 16:47.26 | cahoot | dav_: tried enabling the mic in the kde mixer? |
| 16:47.32 | dav_ | cahoot, i had the same problem when knoppix was installed but can't remember how i had solve it |
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| 16:48.02 | emmenem_TM | is there anyone who can help me to change bits in ip packets? |
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| 16:49.10 | Firestarter- | JordiGH: artsdsp iceweasel loads iceweasel but still no sound |
| 16:49.21 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 16:49.22 | dav_ | cahoot, i m checking it seems that the MIC was disabled |
| 16:49.28 | dav_ | cahoot, but i m trying |
| 16:49.31 | craigevil | Firestarter-: what kind of sound are you missing in IW? |
| 16:49.37 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: Did you modify the iceweaselrc? artsdsp needs to run a binary, not a shell script. |
| 16:49.58 | jjazz | c |
| 16:49.59 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: Or modify /usr/bin/iceweasel, rather? |
| 16:50.32 | dav_ | cahoot, now my sound doesn't work and my mic doesn t work too :) |
| 16:50.43 | Firestarter- | i added artsdsp iceweasel.bin to the end of iceweaselrc |
| 16:50.52 | emmenem_TM | is there anyone who can help me to change bits in ip packets? |
| 16:50.57 | Indephysis | Can I get package recommendations here too? :o |
| 16:51.06 | Firestarter- | I will do the same with /usr/bin/iceweasel? |
| 16:51.07 | enouf | zachhale: modprobe <module> and add them to /etc/modules for autoload upon reboot |
| 16:51.22 | enouf | zachhale: man modprobe |
| 16:51.24 | craigevil | Firestarter-: What Iceweasel sounds are you trying to get working? |
| 16:51.29 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: Undo that edit. Disable aRTs from the Kcontrol (sound system -> disable sound system). Reload Iceweasel. See if you get sound that way. If not, the problem's elsewhere. |
| 16:51.49 | Firestarter- | craigevil: flash |
| 16:52.06 | dav_ | i m coming back |
| 16:52.13 | craigevil | DOnt use arts add FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" |
| 16:52.17 | JordiGH | Firestarter-: Sorry, you should have never modified iceweaselrc. It was /usr/bin/iceweasel that needed modification. |
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| 16:52.46 | BarryAllen | hark, tks a lot, was it i was looking for |
| 16:52.50 | McGee | Hi, i have to hit the ~ key twice to get a ~. Any ideas ? |
| 16:52.51 | craigevil | to /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc |
| 16:53.31 | craigevil | No need to edit /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 16:53.53 | zachhale | enouf: any ideas: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.18/modules.dep |
| 16:53.53 | zachhale | modprobe: Can't locate module usb-storage |
| 16:53.55 | stew | McGee: inside an ssh session? |
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| 16:54.00 | _NY-TY | i have big problem |
| 16:54.02 | JordiGH | craigevil: But aRTs won't hog the sound card? Permission issues? |
| 16:54.03 | _NY-TY | apt was broken |
| 16:54.07 | _NY-TY | i cant install anythink |
| 16:54.16 | _NY-TY | libc6 depends on |
| 16:54.24 | _NY-TY | i have installed nspluginwrapper not from repository |
| 16:54.25 | JordiGH | _NY-TY: how is it broken? |
| 16:54.26 | JordiGH | !broken |
| 16:54.27 | dpkg | Telling us that something is broken is fairly useless. You need to tell us exactly what is failing, and what you expected it to do. Ask me about <doesn't work> |
| 16:54.28 | _NY-TY | and its shitting it |
| 16:54.30 | craigevil | No, but then again I have most arts sounds turned off even though artsd is running |
| 16:54.36 | stew | !tell _NY-TY about enter |
| 16:54.37 | stew | _NY-TY: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:54.43 | _NY-TY | unstable |
| 16:54.44 | McGee | stew, in X |
| 16:54.46 | _NY-TY | amd64 |
| 16:54.58 | craigevil | sound with flash was supposedly fixed with Flash 9 |
| 16:55.20 | McGee | stew, any app (using gnome) |
| 16:55.22 | Firestarter- | yeah I have 9 |
| 16:55.24 | _NY-TY | it says test apt-get -f install |
| 16:55.26 | Indephysis | Is there any music player for Linux that has a Winamp-style preamp? |
| 16:55.26 | _NY-TY | but it shit it too |
| 16:55.39 | stew | _NY-TY: can you put the acutal errors into a pastebin? |
| 16:55.50 | Indephysis | Er, equalizer |
| 16:55.50 | GeorgeS069 | Indephysis: I think xmms might be what you are looking for |
| 16:55.51 | mc__ | ineiros: xmms |
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| 16:55.59 | _NY-TY | no |
| 16:55.59 | mc__ | Indephysis: or beep |
| 16:56.02 | _NY-TY | it`s in czech language |
| 16:56.03 | _NY-TY | :| |
| 16:56.04 | Indephysis | apt-get sure is convenient. |
| 16:56.10 | JordiGH | craigevil: Hm, that could be it. artsd turns itself off if no KDE app asks to use the sound for a while. |
| 16:56.39 | _NY-TY | ah ok |
| 16:56.49 | _NY-TY | i changed language |
| 16:56.51 | stew | _NY-TY: LANG=c apt-get -f install |
| 16:57.07 | craigevil | FIREFOX_DSP="aoss" was the fix for flash sound when flash 7 was having problems, don't know if you still need it for flash 9 or not |
| 16:57.13 | enouf | zachhale: 2.4 kernel eh? try insmod perhaps .. or you don't have it in 2.4 .. see linux-usb.org for more |
| 16:57.21 | _NY-TY | http://pastebin.ca/335825 |
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| 16:57.28 | dav_ | elo |
| 16:57.29 | cahoot | craigevil: isn't flash9 alsa aware? |
| 16:57.41 | dav_ | cahoot, thank you very much gu |
| 16:57.47 | dav_ | cahoot, it is working |
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| 16:58.02 | cahoot | dav_: hmm - looked more like selfhelp to me |
| 16:58.03 | enouf | zachhale: are you set on staying with 2.4? for any reason? and where the heck did a 2.4.18 come from? |
| 16:58.04 | stew | _NY-TY: can you also paste the output of "LANG=c apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 16:58.17 | enouf | !tell zachhale -about ubuntu |
| 16:58.20 | stew | _NY-TY: it appears that you tried to switch to testing/etch? |
| 16:58.23 | dav_ | cahoot, the problem is that i was looking for a console program to regulate sound |
| 16:58.38 | zachhale | enouf: the server is a couple years old and my raid controller is telling me there are ECC errors so i need to backup ASAP |
| 16:58.41 | _NY-TY | libc6: |
| 16:58.41 | _NY-TY | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.42 | _NY-TY | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.42 | _NY-TY | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.42 | _NY-TY | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:58.42 | dav_ | cahoot, the solution was here in KDE |
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| 16:58.54 | _NY-TY | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.58 | _NY-TY | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.05 | stew | !tell _NY-TY about flood |
| 16:59.09 | _NY-TY | eeeee |
| 16:59.11 | _NY-TY | http://pastebin.ca/335827 |
| 16:59.13 | _NY-TY | sorry |
| 16:59.40 | stew | _NY-TY: so you have some packages installed from unstable, but you don't have an unstable source, you only have an etch source |
| 16:59.42 | geekbr | _NY-TY, asrole |
| 16:59.44 | geekbr | haha |
| 17:00.04 | stew | oh wait |
| 17:00.05 | enouf | zachhale: between linux-usb.org and tldp.org you should be able to easily do it |
| 17:01.10 | stew | _NY-TY: what happens when you run "LANG=c apt-get install libc6" |
| 17:01.11 | _NY-TY | ?? |
| 17:01.14 | zachhale | thanks enouf |
| 17:01.15 | jelly | apt-cache policy says libc6 ... -10 is only in unstable... so "Candidate: 2.3.6.ds1-10" means there must be an unstable line in sources.list |
| 17:01.16 | stew | _NY-TY: and have you run "apt-get update" recently? |
| 17:01.41 | dav_ | just one question if i m trying to make a VPN with openvpn is it possible for the client to be behind a firewall ? |
| 17:01.47 | bigwig | bye |
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| 17:01.49 | stew | dav_: yes |
| 17:01.52 | abrotman | dav_: should be .. barring any strange setup |
| 17:01.55 | _NY-TY | http://pastebin.ca/335829 |
| 17:02.23 | dav_ | and some of yours try the tunnel ipip ? |
| 17:02.33 | zachhale | so i just set up a server with two ethernets to replace another machine and when i plug the cords in only one card lights up, wheni reverse only the same card lights up, any ideas? |
| 17:02.45 | stew | _NY-TY: ahh, ok, so you have to remove nspluginwrapper |
| 17:02.52 | zachhale | er, only the same cord lights up |
| 17:03.29 | abrotman | driver not loaded for the other ? |
| 17:03.41 | emmenem_TM | how can i change the protocol field of ip packets? |
| 17:03.55 | stew | _NY-TY: or you have to get whomever created the nspluginwrapper to fix their package |
| 17:04.01 | jelly | zachhale: the other cable is broken? :-) |
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| 17:04.29 | jelly | zachhale: (or the port on the switch is shut down) |
| 17:04.43 | _NY-TY | yes |
| 17:04.44 | _NY-TY | but how |
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| 17:04.58 | _NY-TY | how to delete nspluginwrapper ? |
| 17:05.03 | _NY-TY | i cant delete it.. |
| 17:05.05 | _NY-TY | as i said |
| 17:05.05 | Diamond | Hi |
| 17:05.11 | Diamond | anyone experienced with vsftpd ? |
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| 17:05.46 | stew | _NY-TY: what happens when you run "apt-get remove nspluginwrapper"? |
| 17:05.47 | ndee | how can I check if I'm currently running woody or sarge? |
| 17:05.52 | _NY-TY | no |
| 17:05.55 | _NY-TY | it dont works |
| 17:06.07 | Diamond | i want to know how i change standard port for vsftpd |
| 17:06.12 | abrotman | ndee: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 17:06.13 | Diamond | ? |
| 17:06.31 | ndee | abrotman: thx |
| 17:07.12 | zachhale | jelly: but it works on the other machine |
| 17:07.14 | zachhale | :S |
| 17:07.55 | Ronin | Diamond: look in the conf file |
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| 17:07.59 | _NY-TY | :| |
| 17:08.02 | _NY-TY | i cant |
| 17:08.15 | _NY-TY | it said some libc6 packages at say: i fuck to you .. :-) |
| 17:08.21 | _NY-TY | unmet depencies:\ |
| 17:08.37 | _NY-TY | try apt-get -f .. |
| 17:08.46 | stew | _NY-TY: please stop hitting enter so much |
| 17:08.52 | geekbr | priscila, i know you ? |
| 17:08.54 | stew | _NY-TY: what error do you get when you run "apt-get remove nspluginwrapper"? |
| 17:08.57 | ChrisGo | i thought i was a noob |
| 17:08.58 | geekbr | i think |
| 17:09.01 | _NY-TY | ok |
| 17:09.02 | _NY-TY | i paste it |
| 17:09.09 | Ronin | ok who let the geekbr bot in? |
| 17:09.10 | priscila | geekbr: i think so |
| 17:09.14 | _NY-TY | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 17:09.25 | geekbr | Ronin, what's up ? |
| 17:09.35 | geekbr | priscila, nice .. |
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| 17:10.26 | stew | _NY-TY: what happens when you run "apt-get remove nspluginwrapper libc6+" |
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| 17:10.27 | geekbr | por que eu odeio ficar vendo esses caras se batendo com o apt priscila |
| 17:10.27 | _NY-TY | error |
| 17:10.27 | stew | !br |
| 17:10.27 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 17:10.34 | earthian | hello, why mdf2iso is not in repositories? :/ |
| 17:10.38 | stew | _NY-TY: what error.... |
| 17:10.39 | _NY-TY | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 17:10.40 | _NY-TY | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.54 | ndee | does java jdk 6.0 work with debian 3.1 yet? |
| 17:10.58 | ndee | or shall I use java 1.5? |
| 17:11.00 | earthian | anyway... i came here to ask if there are any mirrors for security.debian.org repository |
| 17:11.02 | earthian | ? |
| 17:11.05 | stew | _NY-TY: that's the entire output? |
| 17:11.14 | Thomasss_ | how can i reinstall grub after installer windows XP ? Can I boot on a debian CD and go to the step grub installation ? |
| 17:11.15 | jelly | !info sun-java6-jdk sid |
| 17:11.19 | dpkg | sun-java6-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 6-00-2 (sid), Packaged size: 9269 kB, Installed size: 31220 kB |
| 17:11.24 | stew | earthian: none official, ftp.de.debian.org used to have an unofficial one, don't know if they still do |
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| 17:11.38 | _NY-TY | http://pastebin.ca/335836 |
| 17:11.39 | _NY-TY | this is |
| 17:11.43 | jelly | ndee: ^^ does that answer your question? |
| 17:11.49 | earthian | i see. thanks. |
| 17:11.55 | priscila | geekbr: hehe it's just for a time.. apt (i mean apt-get and aptitude) is very easy to use >:) |
| 17:12.02 | Thomasss_ | how can i reinstall grub after installer windows XP ? Can I boot on a debian CD and go to the step grub installation ? |
| 17:12.20 | ndee | jelly: so sid is 3.1? |
| 17:12.23 | _NY-TY | THomasss_: rescue |
| 17:12.25 | earthian | no |
| 17:12.27 | earthian | lol |
| 17:12.27 | jelly | ndee: no. |
| 17:12.31 | cgbirzan | Sid is 42. |
| 17:12.44 | earthian | !info sun-java6-jdk sarge |
| 17:12.46 | _NY-TY | anyoe know wtf ? |
| 17:12.48 | stew | _NY-TY: try "aptitude remove nswrapperplugin libc6+" |
| 17:12.49 | jelly | ndee: there is no ready made java for 3.1 |
| 17:12.49 | RichiH | Thomasss_: boot a knoppix disk, mount /dev/whatev /mnt/point; mount -o bind /dev/ /mnt/point/dev; chroot /mnt/point; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/whatev |
| 17:12.56 | innu | hey. i installed openssh-server to my server. And i have generated key for ssh (id_rsa and id_rsa.pub). What and where i need to put them in server? |
| 17:12.57 | ndee | jelly: oh ok. |
| 17:13.06 | ndee | so, would it be wise to upgrade to sid? |
| 17:13.16 | earthian | ndee, <dpkg> Package 'sun-java6-jdk' does not exist. <-- thats in saarge |
| 17:13.16 | jelly | ndee: but depending on what you need it for, you might as well install it from tar |
| 17:13.30 | RichiH | where the first whatev is your root partition which also contains /boot and the second is your physical device |
| 17:13.34 | stew | Thomasss_: if you have a separate /boot partition, also run "mount /boot" before "grub-install..." |
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| 17:13.39 | _NY-TY | FUCK IT |
| 17:13.42 | jelly | ndee: no, don't upgrade to sid, sid == unstable |
| 17:13.43 | _NY-TY | fucking, depency problems |
| 17:13.49 | ndee | I'm confused haha |
| 17:13.55 | earthian | jelly, could ndee add sid sources to his sources.list and install java6 from sid's sources? |
| 17:14.01 | ndee | ah, so I actually do have the latest version |
| 17:14.06 | jelly | earthian: no idea |
| 17:14.07 | stew | _NY-TY: aptitude is far superior for working out dependency problems |
| 17:14.40 | ndee | I actually tried it like here: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/java.jspx but that didn't work with jdk6, so I'm wondering if it might work with jdk5 |
| 17:14.43 | Thomasss_ | stew: I can't boot on a debian installation CD and go to the step grub install ? |
| 17:14.44 | jelly | stew: why not just let him dpkg --remove offending packages then clean up with apt-get -f install? |
| 17:14.46 | _NY-TY | shit : http://pastebin.ca/335841 |
| 17:14.47 | innu | hey. i installed openssh-server to my server. And i have generated key for ssh (id_rsa and id_rsa.pub). What and where i need to put them in server? |
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| 17:15.20 | ChrisGo | linux is something that burns you out then you revisit each time you revisit you get a bit better but I never got the the functional point yet ;-) |
| 17:15.31 | Nwallins | innu: http://wiki.hcoop.net/wiki/SshConfiguration |
| 17:15.33 | craigevil | using Sid sources to install sun-java6 would probably pull in other Sid package/librarires as well |
| 17:15.38 | _NY-TY | hmm |
| 17:15.40 | _NY-TY | jelly thankz |
| 17:15.42 | _NY-TY | it works :-) |
| 17:15.55 | Diamond | HI |
| 17:15.58 | Nwallins | innu: short answer: id_rsa stays on your system. copy id_rsa.pub to other system's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 17:16.00 | enouf | Thomasss_: RichiH gav good advice, see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm#HOW_TO_MAKE_A_GRUB_CD also and find the Reinstall Grub area there as well |
| 17:16.18 | Diamond | someone that can help me changing standard port of my vsftpd server? |
| 17:16.35 | earthian | damn security.debian.org is sloowww.. :( 14KB/s ... my normal mirror makes me 120KB/s ... |
| 17:16.49 | ojai | Does anyone know if there is an update available for the 2007 DST change that will take effect on 11 March? |
| 17:17.00 | GeorgeS069 | Diamond: Did you try looking in /etc/vsftpd.conf ? |
| 17:17.10 | Diamond | yes i am GeorgeS069 |
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| 17:17.30 | Diamond | but can't find the listen_port |
| 17:17.44 | GeorgeS069 | should be in there somewhere...I've never used vsftpd though :( |
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| 17:18.20 | ChrisGo | ftp.us.debian is fast for me today did a whole netinstall in like 15 minutes |
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| 17:18.52 | Ronin | Diamond: did you look in the conf file? |
| 17:19.01 | Diamond | yes i did Ronin |
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| 17:19.20 | Diamond | etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 17:19.41 | Diamond | but guys in #vsftpd say that its a server question |
| 17:19.44 | Diamond | so i ask you guys |
| 17:20.17 | Diamond | can i change it in /etc/services of uhm.. what whas that other file... |
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| 17:20.44 | GeorgeS069 | Diamond: could look in /etc/init.d/vsftpd and see if it's set there |
| 17:20.55 | Diamond | ok |
| 17:21.25 | earthian | Diamond, i would suggest googleing for "vsftpd port path" or so.. |
| 17:21.31 | ChrisGo | if i wanted to apt-get install apache what would the best package be as far as most standard base |
| 17:21.34 | enouf | Microsoft uses the term "module" throughout the application to describe how it works. The "core function" module (aka, the kernel) comes with a "license validation module" that can authorize the use of additional add-on modules. |
| 17:21.57 | Ronin | Diamond: you run a firewall? you can change it there as well |
| 17:22.27 | Diamond | i do not run a firewall yet |
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| 17:22.35 | ChrisGo | Apache 2.2.4 would be the newest? |
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| 17:23.04 | Diamond | i'v looked in man vsftpd.conf |
| 17:23.14 | Ronin | Diamond: http://www.vsftpdrocks.org/faq/ |
| 17:23.16 | Indephysis | I keep getting the error "C compiler cannot create executables". |
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| 17:23.26 | ChrisGo | so i would assume apt-get install apache2 correct? |
| 17:23.27 | Indephysis | When running ./configure scripts. |
| 17:23.45 | Ronin | Indephysis: why are you compiling? |
| 17:23.45 | pumpkin0 | how can i create a pdf from a set of png-images ? |
| 17:23.49 | Gathond | Indephysis: fix your C compiler then |
| 17:23.55 | stew | !be Indephysis |
| 17:23.56 | hark | !tell Indephysis about b-e |
| 17:24.02 | Indephysis | Gee, Gathond, thanks for the helpful guide! |
| 17:24.06 | stew | err, yeah |
| 17:24.10 | enouf | whoops .. wrong channel |
| 17:24.22 | Indephysis | Ronin - Because some programs... don't have Debian packages? |
| 17:24.24 | hark | !otsmite enouf |
| 17:24.32 | enouf | i was wondering where the looneytunes went to |
| 17:24.39 | Gathond | Indephysis: most likely install build-essential and gcc (if that does not follow) |
| 17:24.39 | dav_ | is it possible to use VNC as a terminal server ( when you connect to the vnc server it opens kdm) as if it was a standart terminal on xdmcp |
| 17:24.51 | enouf | hark: might aswell .. it has to do with DRM nonsense |
| 17:24.57 | Ronin | Indephysis: what packages? if you run stable have you looked at backports? |
| 17:25.08 | debfanman | pumpkin0: and your your putting the images back? Damn, sounds like a pdf project ya got going on there. What sneakyness are you up to anyways? |
| 17:25.16 | Indephysis | ... -_- Iter Vehemens ad Necem, GNGeo, Hengband, Entroband |
| 17:25.28 | debfanman | s/your your/now your/ |
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| 17:26.16 | ChrisGo | is there a reason why php5 is not in the packages? |
| 17:26.17 | pumpkin0 | debfanman: our offfice-network-scanner creates pdf ... i edited the images, corrected 1-2 things, put some logos in. And now i need them as pdf again ... |
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| 17:26.39 | Ronin | ahh roms or something of the like |
| 17:26.44 | Indephysis | Ronin - No. |
| 17:26.51 | Indephysis | GNGeo is a emulator. The rest are standalone games. |
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| 17:27.15 | LabThug | I need to bring up a new server in the upcoming month. Should I go ahead with Sarge or wait for Etch? |
| 17:27.39 | debfanman | pumpkin0: so your setting up an automatic document alteration script of sorts? |
| 17:27.48 | emmenem_TM | etch? When it will be available? |
| 17:27.59 | Ronin | emmenem_TM: when it ready :) |
| 17:28.06 | pumpkin0 | debfanman: yes. I need our logo on top of each page, etc... |
| 17:28.06 | innu | Nwallins, i did what you sayd with id_rsa.pub etc. I can log in but only with root. i copyd .ssh folder with these files to my home folder too, but if trying to log in user@ then Permission denied. |
| 17:28.20 | pumpkin0 | emmenem_TM: etch is available (as testing version). |
| 17:28.22 | RvGaTe | Just wondering, what will the next testing be named after? |
| 17:28.28 | pumpkin0 | RvGaTe: Lenny |
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| 17:28.41 | RvGaTe | pumpkin0, lenny? who was lenny ? :S |
| 17:28.47 | stew | RvGaTe: the binoculars |
| 17:28.50 | RvGaTe | cool |
| 17:29.10 | emmenem_TM | differences between etch stable and etch testing? |
| 17:29.25 | RvGaTe | many :P you cant even count them :) |
| 17:29.27 | pumpkin0 | emmenem_TM: the name and some bugs. |
| 17:29.33 | jelly | emmenem_TM: there is no "etch stable" (yet) |
| 17:29.42 | stew | emmenem_TM: etch stable doesn't exist, etch testing does |
| 17:29.47 | Ronin | emmenem_TM: no such thing as etch stable |
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| 17:30.01 | dkr | amen |
| 17:30.02 | emmenem_TM | do you suggest me install the testing version? |
| 17:30.04 | debfanman | emmenem_TM: think of etch as a symbolic link to testing |
| 17:30.18 | emmenem_TM | ? |
| 17:30.25 | debfanman | emmenem_TM: when "its ready" the link will change to stable |
| 17:30.35 | pumpkin0 | emmenem_TM: for a really, really mission critical server: no. |
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| 17:30.52 | Guilt | :D |
| 17:30.57 | Ronin | earthian: define useful |
| 17:31.05 | earthian | jelly, what is ITP? |
| 17:31.05 | Guilt | hello, all. |
| 17:31.14 | jelly | earthian: I suppose you were told about bchunk? |
| 17:31.16 | amphi | earthian: wtf is mdf? |
| 17:31.23 | earthian | Ronin, usefull = usefull when you have some mdf files lying around |
| 17:31.25 | Indephysis | amphi - Alcohol 120%'s native format |
| 17:31.33 | jelly | amphi: yet another proprietary cd/dvd format |
| 17:31.43 | ndee | mdf is wtf? |
| 17:32.03 | Indephysis | I should write a .wtf file format |
| 17:32.03 | amphi | jelly: ah - where does one find such things? I've never seen one |
| 17:32.03 | amphi | Indephysis: heh |
| 17:32.03 | Indephysis | And have the crashlogs for it be .lol |
| 17:32.04 | jelly | amphi: warez and such ;-) |
| 17:32.05 | ndee | amphi: for backups of games ;) |
| 17:32.11 | ndee | warez? no waaaaay |
| 17:32.13 | amphi | jelly: ah |
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| 17:32.33 | Indephysis | Ugh. I had no idea how ugly cmd was until I came over here |
| 17:32.37 | debfanman | emmenem_TM: should you use testing? _absolutely_ if you plan on creating some project that will be running for years to come. or else if you create it using the current stable debian, you will probably need to redo it all over again when etch becomes stable (hopefully sometime soon) |
| 17:32.56 | Indephysis | Any suggested console replacements with nifty features? |
| 17:32.58 | Ronin | Indephysis: cmd is ugly? do most of my real work on the linux machines on cmd line |
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| 17:33.09 | jelly | Indephysis: cygwin? :-) |
| 17:33.12 | Indephysis | Ronin - XP's cmd with no resizability is <_< |
| 17:33.26 | Nwallins | innu: I can only suggest that you reread the link |
| 17:33.26 | earthian | jelly, Could not open BIN HOMMV.mdf: File too large <-- output from bchunk |
| 17:33.28 | Indephysis | I'm on debian, bud. I don't need no stinkin' extra features for Linux compatibility |
| 17:33.31 | Ronin | Indephysis: theres your first mistake, CP |
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| 17:33.41 | Ronin | xp even |
| 17:33.51 | Indephysis | Ronin - If that was my first mistake I'm a very awesome person |
| 17:33.56 | hark | Indephysis: it can be resized, though it's not obvious |
| 17:34.08 | stew | or on-topic |
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| 17:34.11 | GeorgeS069 | can change the fonts too |
| 17:34.13 | jelly | earthian: I thought it only supported cue/bin |
| 17:34.19 | earthian | hm.. |
| 17:34.22 | earthian | me too |
| 17:34.23 | earthian | :S |
| 17:34.29 | earthian | just tired.. |
| 17:35.06 | bbelt16a1 | all right preeps i got a avi video i want to make into a video cd pls? how do i do it k3b only supports mpegs :( |
| 17:35.30 | amphi | bbelt16a1: vcd is mpeg |
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| 17:35.38 | bbelt16a1 | well |
| 17:35.43 | amphi | and crap |
| 17:35.51 | bbelt16a1 | will new player play avi? |
| 17:35.56 | bbelt16a1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.58 | jelly | Indephysis: #windows might be a better place to ask about cmd.exe replacements |
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| 17:36.15 | Indephysis | I don't want a cmd.exe replacement |
| 17:36.24 | Indephysis | I'm talking about a Linux console replacement with stuff like transparency :o |
| 17:36.25 | amphi | bbelt16a1: some do, some don't |
| 17:36.31 | bbelt16a1 | :( |
| 17:36.33 | Angela | Can somebody help me setup a wireless usb device on a test debian server? |
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| 17:36.40 | Ronin | Indephysis: ahh useless eyecandy ;) |
| 17:36.44 | Indephysis | Yes :D |
| 17:36.45 | jelly | Indephysis: oh, a _terminal emulator_? |
| 17:36.53 | GoPlay- | how can i install php4 and php5 for apache ? if i try to install php4, php5 must be remove :/ |
| 17:36.58 | Indephysis | jelly - I have to leave SOME work for you. |
| 17:37.11 | debfanman | Indephysis: transparency would be controlled by the window manager, has nothing to do with the shell |
| 17:37.27 | Indephysis | Aww. :( |
| 17:37.27 | jelly | Indephysis: nah, it's just there's a distinction between "console" and "terminal". |
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| 17:38.48 | jelly | Indephysis: there's a lot of those... you can use one provided by your desktop environment (if you use KDE, Gnome or XFCE), aterm, mrxvt, rxvt-unicode, you name it |
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| 17:39.09 | Indephysis | I'm using Gnome :o |
| 17:39.29 | jelly | Indephysis: I heard multi-gnome-terminal was nice, but unmantained |
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| 17:41.01 | bbelt16a1 | could i encode avi to .vob for dvd |
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| 17:42.07 | apierre | Hello all, running etch. Is it possible to build a kernel based on my hardware without the need to make menuconfig? |
| 17:42.12 | ChrisGo | is there a package for jdk1.5.0_10? |
| 17:42.37 | jelly | ChrisGo: yes, in etch and sid |
| 17:43.04 | debfanman | apierre: the default kernel has modules for a reason ;p |
| 17:43.06 | stew | ChrisGo: sun-java5-jdk in non-free |
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| 17:43.29 | Guilt | eh? |
| 17:43.34 | Guilt | non free? |
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| 17:43.42 | jelly | !non-free |
| 17:43.43 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 17:43.55 | derblubbe | how can i recover a accidently formatted ext3 partition? |
| 17:44.08 | Guilt | actually, they've released it all, right? |
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| 17:44.13 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 17:44.14 | stew | Guilt: no |
| 17:44.18 | debfanman | apierre: but if you were gonna make a generic kernel, you either customize it to your exact hardware or make a module out of 90% of the options and use a detection script to load your devices |
| 17:44.19 | stew | Guilt: only a few peices |
| 17:44.19 | dazjorz | Is there any way to get a list of all currently installed packages ? |
| 17:44.32 | Guilt | stew: vm, compiler and runtime library |
| 17:44.44 | stew | dazjorz: dpkg -l | grep ^.i |
| 17:44.52 | dazjorz | stew: thanks |
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| 17:45.19 | Guilt | may be some other licensing issue :| |
| 17:45.31 | debfanman | apierre: a specific kernel would require you to set the options in menuconfig (or however you prefer to set them). I assume you want some magical script that looks at whats currently needed/loaded module wise and rebuilds a kernel with just those options built in? |
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| 17:45.54 | apierre | I want a customize kernel, i just apt-get linux-source.2.6.18. |
| 17:45.55 | apierre | yes |
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| 17:46.04 | debfanman | dazjorz: dpkg --get-selections | less? |
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| 17:46.28 | apierre | something in the lines like: look at my hardware and build a kernel based on what dmesg provides |
| 17:46.34 | dazjorz | debfanman, nah, dpkg -l | grep ^.i did exactly what I wanted |
| 17:46.39 | stew | Guilt: no other licensing issues. they just haven't open sourced all of it yet |
| 17:46.53 | stew | Guilt: and they have explicitly disaalloed distributing the free parts without the non-free parts |
| 17:47.02 | debfanman | dazjorz: kk |
| 17:47.32 | ChrisGo | jelly: apt-get install sun-java5-jdk wont work right |
| 17:47.38 | stew | ChrisGo: /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 17:47.43 | Guilt | ooh :/ |
| 17:48.01 | svilendotor1 | what is the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap |
| 17:48.05 | jelly | apierre: not all kernel features are related to hardware. Which filesystems do you want? Which debug features? |
| 17:48.12 | rbonnin | Hi! A big rarity... I make passwd root (enter pass) ->pass successfully changed -> new root login -> the password hasn't changed! What can I do? |
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| 17:48.19 | rbonnin | Its an updated woody |
| 17:48.31 | debfanman | apierre: well, the only this that would accomplish is reduced compile time, but there are just too many decisions when compiling a kernel that only the admin (ie: you) can know. Scripts would only help pick the initial set of modules, but thats only half of what needs to be done when you make your own kernel. |
| 17:48.32 | apierre | i like ext3 |
| 17:48.44 | Guilt | rbonnin: wierd. using pam? |
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| 17:48.58 | Guilt | eh. wait. i thought passwd was file based. |
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| 17:49.01 | Guilt | O_O |
| 17:49.09 | stew | rbonnin: can you look at /etc/shadow before and after running passwd and see if that file gets updated? |
| 17:49.20 | debfanman | apierre: are you just looking to cut down on compile time? cause thats about all I could see this script your after accomplishing |
| 17:49.23 | rbonnin | k |
| 17:49.43 | apierre | yes |
| 17:49.44 | ChrisGo | lol this is where i give up on linux for another year |
| 17:49.45 | debfanman | apierre: it wouldnt help your memory usage or anything beyond what a debian default kernel already does with modules |
| 17:50.36 | jelly | debfanman: what about CPU optimizations, debian only has -486, -686 and -k7 (for i386) |
| 17:50.59 | rbonnin | stew, no diff at all |
| 17:51.12 | rbonnin | Im using pam |
| 17:51.20 | Guilt | ah |
| 17:51.22 | Guilt | :D |
| 17:51.31 | Guilt | /o/ -> \o\ |
| 17:52.02 | Guilt | rbonnin: probably that's why. |
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| 17:52.04 | Guilt | are you authenticating to another machine? |
| 17:52.16 | rbonnin | Guilt: nope |
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| 17:52.18 | Guilt | then you've got to change the password on the other machine. |
| 17:52.20 | Guilt | :) |
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| 17:52.26 | asche | hi |
| 17:52.26 | lindenle | Hi, is installing using lvm and raid0 as root possible? Is tere a better way to just use striping in lvm? Thanks |
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| 17:52.33 | Guilt | wierd. maybe pam caches it |
| 17:52.41 | debfanman | jelly: all im saying to him is that taking the lsmod list and only setting those options in the .config is like half of what needs to be setup in a custom kernel. Im sure a script could futher decide things like arch. but it would have to ask question about timer resolutions, do you plan on accessing > 2tb files, will you ever upgrade the ram past 4g etc. iin the end i think its just easier... |
| 17:52.42 | debfanman | ...to roll your own |
| 17:52.49 | Guilt | just try changing init levels and see? |
| 17:52.51 | asche | to install kde i have to do "apt-get install kde xserver-xorg2 |
| 17:52.54 | asche | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.57 | justin | lindenle: put / on a normal small raid1, make the rest on lvm on raid |
| 17:53.01 | debfanman | jelly: unless of course your looking to make a script for the masses :) |
| 17:53.02 | stew | rbonnin: "getent passwd root" returns a line starting with "root:x:...." or something differeent? |
| 17:53.08 | lindenle | justin: ok |
| 17:53.24 | dazjorz | `ppp` is only needed for dialup right ? |
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| 17:53.32 | lindenle | justin: is that b/c it can only boot radi1 |
| 17:53.43 | asche | it can be pppoe for dsl conections |
| 17:53.54 | justin | lindenle: probably. doing it like I said keeps things simple |
| 17:53.56 | stew | dazjorz: its also needed for pppoe which is used for some dsl, and for pptp to connect to some (usually ms based) vpns |
| 17:54.00 | debfanman | doesnt ipsec tunnels use ppp as well? |
| 17:54.05 | lindenle | justin: ok |
| 17:54.13 | dazjorz | stew: I have neither of those, so it's ok for me to remove them I guess |
| 17:54.17 | debfanman | what stew said :) |
| 17:54.19 | dazjorz | my server just connects through ethernet |
| 17:54.23 | lindenle | justin: im doing raid0 for the rest for speed |
| 17:54.32 | dazjorz | does the tun/tap device require pptp |
| 17:54.32 | dazjorz | ? |
| 17:54.49 | apierre | debfanman: thanks for your input |
| 17:54.53 | Indephysis | What's the X development package called/ |
| 17:55.01 | jelly | debfanman: hm, such a script, even if choosing only hw drivers, might make a good starting point for further menuconfig/xconfig |
| 17:55.19 | stew | Indephysis: for which version of debian? |
| 17:55.29 | stew | Indephysis: or, for which x xserver? xfree or xorg? |
| 17:55.32 | Indephysis | I... have no clue. I just installed off Goodbye Microsoft about two days ago |
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| 17:55.51 | stew | Indephysis: and you are ready to start doing x development already? :) |
| 17:55.52 | Guilt | it's xlorg 7.1 |
| 17:55.52 | debfanman | apierre: np |
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| 17:56.04 | rbonnin | stew: a moment |
| 17:56.17 | Indephysis | stew - I'm ready to compile Hengband so I can play it already. :) |
| 17:56.22 | rbonnin | "getent passwd root" returns a line starting with "root:x:...." |
| 17:56.31 | jelly | Indephysis: what do you need it for? Might be libx11-dev, might be more |
| 17:56.59 | Indephysis | That was it, jelly, I think |
| 17:57.02 | stew | rbonnin: does /etc/pam.d/passwd contain a single line "include @common-password" or a bunch of other stuff? |
| 17:57.13 | debfanman | apierre: you may wanna google around. The concept of automated kernel configs isnt impossible. Heck, debian and other distro's may already use something somewhat similar to what you want. You never know what someone already made on the net |
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| 17:57.45 | rbonnin | stew: /etc/pam.d/passwd contain a single line "include @common-password" |
| 17:57.46 | jelly | Indephysis: does your X angband-like game use gtk, qt, or some other widget? If it does, you'll need -dev for that too. |
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| 17:58.05 | Indephysis | Just X |
| 17:58.12 | Indephysis | I think. ._. |
| 17:58.14 | christopherl | does anyone know how to calculate a timestamp value in UTC time? |
| 17:58.17 | apierre | debfanman: very true indeed |
| 17:58.18 | stew | rbonnin: what does "grep ^password /etc/pam.d/common-password" say? |
| 17:58.33 | Guilt | hell. package search doesnt work |
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| 17:58.55 | Guilt | Indephysis: open aptitude and look under the Desktop environment section |
| 17:59.03 | Guilt | in there, hit x and see. |
| 17:59.17 | rbonnin | stew : password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 |
| 17:59.26 | stew | hmm |
| 17:59.30 | Indephysis | Agh! It compiled into Japanese! |
| 17:59.31 | stew | Indephysis: you want the x-dev package |
| 17:59.34 | Guilt | i couldnt find them in the package repo @ debian site |
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| 18:00.04 | rbonnin | stew : in fact the line in passwd was @include common-password, not include @common-password |
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| 18:00.21 | stew | rbonnin: what about "grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf" |
| 18:00.23 | stew | rbonnin: yeah, my mistake |
| 18:00.35 | jamesbrose___ | How can I get a Belkin USB Wireless Device to work with Debian ? It doesn't want to recognise it :( |
| 18:00.55 | rbonnin | stew : passwd: compat |
| 18:00.56 | stew | jamesbrose___: you need to figure out what chipset it has |
| 18:01.04 | jelly | stew: uh, x-dev gives only x11proto-core-dev ... Could that really be enough for a generic app? |
| 18:01.15 | jamesbrose___ | stew, how would I find that out? |
| 18:01.22 | Guilt | jamesbrose___: google |
| 18:01.38 | cydork | jamesbrose___: you can find out the chipset here too http://linux-wless.passys.nl |
| 18:01.41 | Guilt | first hit dmesg and find out if the ehci driver detected that something was plugged in. |
| 18:01.42 | stew | jelly: hmm, yeah, is it xlibs-dev? |
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| 18:02.15 | cahoot | christopherl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time |
| 18:02.17 | jelly | stew: libx11-dev looks reasonable to me |
| 18:02.24 | stew | Indephysis: make that xlibs-dev not x-dev |
| 18:02.38 | stew | jelly: (which depends on libx11-dev) |
| 18:02.57 | jamesbrose___ | stew, chipset = Atmel |
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| 18:03.08 | innu | looking help. I set up sshd. Copyd my id_rsa etc to my root folder and home folder. I can connect with root user. But if i try to connect with usual user, i get error. I have chmod-ed all like it is needed. So any suggestions? |
| 18:03.16 | lindenle | justin: thanks 4 the advice |
| 18:03.25 | jelly | !info xlibs-dev etch |
| 18:03.26 | justin | !tell innu about debug sshd |
| 18:03.42 | jelly | ... does not exist |
| 18:03.45 | rbonnin | The strange think is that when I use passwd, it leaves the passwd file intact |
| 18:03.51 | stew | jelly: i was assuming this was sarge |
| 18:04.03 | justin | lindenle: yeah, putting / on a separate raid1 will help if the raid0 ever gets messed up |
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| 18:04.17 | lindenle | yep |
| 18:04.18 | jelly | stew: oh, sorry, I thought that goodbye-microsoft.com installed etch |
| 18:04.25 | debfanman | rbonnin: passwd updates affect shadow not passwd.... |
| 18:04.27 | nachox | anyone managing lots of servers around? think more than 30 on your own, i'd like to know how you keep events, just syslog? |
| 18:04.31 | ChrisGo | why is the java sdk free on windows to download and install but NON free on Linux? |
| 18:04.37 | stew | jelly: oh i have no idea, never heard of it |
| 18:04.39 | cydork | jelly: i think it does istall etch |
| 18:04.48 | cydork | s/istall/install |
| 18:05.00 | debfanman | nachox: i hear syslog-ng is handy |
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| 18:05.06 | jelly | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html |
| 18:05.15 | rbonnin | debfanman: sorry, I meant shadow |
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| 18:05.32 | lindenle | justin: Also since lvm is not striped i can add more disks to it |
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| 18:05.39 | rbonnin | grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf gives passwd: compat |
| 18:05.42 | lindenle | justin: if need be |
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| 18:05.47 | stew | rbonnin: i'm stumped |
| 18:05.56 | Guilt | ChrisGo: you cana download it free on Linux |
| 18:06.04 | Guilt | just that it isn't free as free speech |
| 18:06.06 | Guilt | :D |
| 18:06.20 | jelly | stew: it's an etch installer run from Windows like Start -> Run -> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/pub/debian.exe |
| 18:06.39 | chops | Guilt: Isn't it libre now too? I thought Sun GPLed it. |
| 18:06.46 | Guilt | notall of it |
| 18:06.48 | stew | ChrisGo: "free" in the debian world refers to the debian free software guidelines, java doesn't meet these guidelines becuase they don't provide sourcecode to the entire jdk |
| 18:06.54 | Guilt | at least, according to stew |
| 18:06.55 | Guilt | :) |
| 18:06.56 | jelly | chops: not all of it, yet |
| 18:07.10 | nachox | debfanman: does it have any kind of gui to correltate evens and such? |
| 18:07.11 | chops | jelly: Ah, okay. I haven't been keeping up. Thanks. |
| 18:07.30 | jelly | chops: me neither, I just read factoids when bored |
| 18:07.35 | jelly | ;-) |
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| 18:07.54 | jelly | !java |
| 18:07.55 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 18:07.56 | Guilt | chops: probably you could check out the tree from java.net |
| 18:08.02 | Guilt | and let us know if it's available |
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| 18:08.04 | Guilt | :) |
| 18:08.14 | Guilt | then maybe someone might do a deb package |
| 18:08.16 | Guilt | :D |
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| 18:08.18 | tp_ | What's your experience running a Core 2 Duo on Debian? Does Linux properly support the 965 chipset, ICH8, and the JMagic IDE controller (that Asus put on their P5B-E motherboard) now? What about a 975 chipset? Better chance of being supported? Any thoughts (I'm tired of google ;-) )? |
| 18:08.23 | chops | Guilt: What, me do work? No no, that's for DDs. :-) |
| 18:08.27 | stew | afaik the java class libraries haven't been opensourced yet, for instance, the source to java.lang.Runtime |
| 18:08.37 | Angela | stew, chipset = Atmel |
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| 18:08.50 | Guilt | i got a Core 2 duo on a 945. just works fine. |
| 18:08.57 | Guilt | ICH8 ... no idea |
| 18:09.05 | debfanman | nachox: syslog (or ng in this case casue it supports tcp connects instead of error prone udp only with normal syslog) just collects log events from multiple servers. parsing the even log would be up to you to pick a tool. I know there are dosens of tools out there. if your looking to run commands and such based on event from the log, theres a prgram called swatch thats really nice. uses... |
| 18:09.06 | debfanman | ...regex among other features. |
| 18:09.13 | Guilt | ipw3945 works too. |
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| 18:09.26 | stew | Angela: i don't know |
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| 18:09.46 | rbonnin | I found something pwck: cannot open file /etc/shadow |
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| 18:10.05 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.11 | enouf | tp_: the jmicron controller issue is being worked on .. just use the ICH connectors and you'll be fine |
| 18:10.16 | stew | rbonnin: does "lsattr /etc/shadow" return a line with all ---------- or is there an 'i' in there? |
| 18:10.44 | innu | http://pastie.caboo.se/37247 ssh server debug, can somebody tell me how to fix it? |
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| 18:11.13 | tp_ | enouf: so the problem of not being able to boot the installation CD/DVD from an ATAPI drive is a non-issue, or do I still have to fsck around with booting from USB sticks etc ;-) ? |
| 18:11.37 | enouf | tp_: the 975x and ICH8 are supported (as well as the 965 on the other various asus flavors).. just make sure acpi, ahci, apic are all enabled in the BIOS |
| 18:11.52 | Ulixes | can you tell me where can i find a complete sources.list= |
| 18:11.53 | Ulixes | ? |
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| 18:12.14 | debfanman | innu: line 10 stands out :/ |
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| 18:12.31 | Ulixes | ? |
| 18:12.40 | stew | innu: make sure /home/innu and /home/innu/.ssh are owned by innu:innu. make sure /home/innu isn't world writable. make sure /home/innu/.ssh is chmod 700 and the files inside are chmod 600 |
| 18:12.46 | debfanman | innu: ls -la /home/innu? whats the perms on that dir? |
| 18:13.14 | Ulixes | can you tell me where can i find a complete sources.list? |
| 18:13.15 | stew | Ulixes: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:13.21 | Ulixes | etch testing |
| 18:13.23 | enouf | tp_: as I say .. you can boot off any SATA optical or HDD using the ICH conn, but the jmicron IDE connector crapola is being worked on .. a fix/patch may be soon (or already done) .. but the real fix will likely be from upstream and used in etch RC perhaps/hopefully |
| 18:13.28 | enouf | er RC2 |
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| 18:14.13 | stew | Ulixes: deb http://somedebianmirror etch main \n deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main ; /msg dpkg mirrors for a list of possible mirrors |
| 18:14.33 | tp_ | enouf: seems the problems regarding the 965 and JMagic are pretty recent, but I've not seen anything about it being solved *shrugs* I thought I'd go for a 975 since apparently this chip is already well supported, but it's also more expensive and has a lot of crap I don't really need. |
| 18:14.54 | tp_ | enouf: oh well, thanks for the feedback. I'll do some more research before I make up my mind. There's also the issue of *BSD support ;-) |
| 18:14.57 | rbonnin | I havent lsattr command, and e2fs pack is installed |
| 18:15.01 | Ulixes | k |
| 18:15.10 | enouf | tp_: follow the debian-boot, dev-announce, and kernel mailing lists at lists.debian.org (squat over at the various debian irc.oftc.net channels) |
| 18:15.19 | Ulixes | but they're only main |
| 18:15.28 | Ulixes | not universe or multiverse |
| 18:15.33 | tp_ | I already searched the archives, but to no avail. I'll try some more. Thanks. |
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| 18:15.45 | cydork | Ulixes: debian has main, contrib and non-free |
| 18:15.57 | cydork | Ulixes: you can add those if you want :) |
| 18:15.59 | enouf | tp_: here ..see this http://people.debian.org/~fjp/RC2_mail.txt scroll to bottom |
| 18:16.00 | stew | cydork: not really |
| 18:16.06 | Ulixes | stew: can you send me your file please, i'm new..? |
| 18:16.14 | debfanman | rbonnin: etf2progs is installed? lsattr should be in /usr/bin |
| 18:16.16 | stew | rbonnin: lsattr is in e2fsprogs ; can you pastebin the output of "stat /etc/shadow" ? |
| 18:16.16 | cydork | stew: ya well it's not official :P |
| 18:16.22 | debfanman | err e2fsprogs |
| 18:16.37 | tp_ | enouf: 404 |
| 18:17.05 | stew | cydork: :P |
| 18:17.10 | enouf | tp_: hrm .. I still have it open in my browser .. lemmee extract the relevant txt |
| 18:17.16 | stew | Ulixes: you don't need my file. what country are you in? |
| 18:17.21 | Ulixes | italy |
| 18:17.53 | stew | Ulixes: then replace somedebianmirror with ftp.it.debian.org |
| 18:17.53 | Guilt | does etch come with Xfce 4.4 release? |
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| 18:17.59 | Guilt | or is the tree frozen? |
| 18:18.01 | Guilt | :) |
| 18:18.02 | enouf | tp_: #407759 - JMicron CD controller on Intel 965 motherboards not supported by current kernel |
| 18:18.11 | tp_ | Current being? |
| 18:18.14 | enouf | tp_: Basically it is up to the kernel team to determine if this can be resolved for Etch. We've seen at least three recent reports though, so it is likely to hit quite a few |
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| 18:18.39 | cydork | Ulixes: add this -> deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 18:18.45 | tp_ | IOW, when was this article written? ;-) |
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| 18:19.06 | Ulixes | ok cydork thanks a lot |
| 18:19.11 | enouf | is someone speaking to me? |
| 18:19.25 | cydork | enouf: no way! :) |
| 18:19.26 | tp_ | enouf: yes ;-) |
| 18:19.29 | rbonnin | http://pastebin.ca/335906 |
| 18:19.35 | enouf | oh .. huh |
| 18:19.42 | rbonnin | stat /etc/shadow |
| 18:20.00 | stew | rbonnin: that looks correct. i'd really check lsattr |
| 18:20.00 | enouf | tp_: current what? |
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| 18:20.08 | enouf | tp_: ok Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:40:51 +0100 |
| 18:20.21 | Alptraum- | i'm trying to install awstats. i apt-get' it and executed the configuration script. so i have a config file and i updated manually the stats from my access log. but i dont know how to access the stats from my browser. does anybody can help? |
| 18:20.22 | kaffien | can someone please explain to me the basic concept of adding something to my 'path' ? |
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| 18:20.34 | debfanman | rbonnin: i take it you cant change your passwords or something? |
| 18:20.49 | stew | kaffien: do you mean, "how do I add something" or "why would I add something" or "what does the PATH variable do"? |
| 18:21.06 | kaffien | i know why |
| 18:21.07 | tp_ | enouf: ah, so this might take some time to resolve, then. Thank you. |
| 18:21.08 | debfanman | well said stew |
| 18:21.13 | kaffien | but how / what is |
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| 18:21.32 | kaffien | lol googling path shows to many things lol |
| 18:21.35 | enouf | tp_: IIRC the board that uses the 975x/ICH7 combo has a NON-jmicron IDE/ATA controller(s) |
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| 18:21.53 | enouf | tp_: the Asus versions anyway |
| 18:21.57 | stew | kaffien: how: modify ~/.bash_profile ; what is? its a colon separated list of directories to search in for an executable when a user tries to run a command |
| 18:21.58 | tp_ | enouf: yeah, that's why I considered going for that instead. It seems to be better supported (as it's older). |
| 18:22.03 | debfanman | kaffien: are you looking to make it apply only to one account on the system? or make it system wide? |
| 18:22.09 | tp_ | (ASUS PW5 DH Deluxe, IIRC) |
| 18:22.12 | enouf | tp_: just the 965/ICH8 one don't IIRC |
| 18:22.20 | jelly | The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. |
| 18:22.25 | kaffien | for the moment only for root |
| 18:22.31 | kaffien | but knowing system wide is good to know too |
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| 18:22.54 | debfanman | kaffien: /etc/profile might be handy to look at ;) |
| 18:23.08 | kaffien | that would be the global one? |
| 18:23.09 | fabiano | ola |
| 18:23.18 | fabiano | oi |
| 18:23.21 | stew | !br |
| 18:23.21 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 18:23.29 | debfanman | kaffien: ya, or ~/.bash_profile for one account |
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| 18:23.38 | kaffien | kk |
| 18:23.40 | kaffien | thank you |
| 18:23.41 | Alptraum- | !de |
| 18:23.42 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 18:23.42 | debfanman | kaffien: keep in mind, thats just for bash |
| 18:23.50 | Indephysis | woto. 7 minutes for 189 packages |
| 18:23.56 | Indephysis | Woot, not woto |
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| 18:24.08 | rbonnin | debfanman: its ok |
| 18:24.18 | rbonnin | I cant change passwords |
| 18:24.39 | rbonnin | when I make dpkg-reconfigure passwd |
| 18:24.39 | debfanman | rbonnin: what happens as root when you do: echo test >> /etc/shadow? |
| 18:25.00 | rbonnin | -bash: /etc/shadow: Permission denied |
| 18:25.01 | debfanman | rbonnin: NOTE: make SURE you use 2 >'s and not 1 ;) |
| 18:25.07 | stew | rbonnin: check lsattr |
| 18:25.11 | rbonnin | I know |
| 18:25.13 | debfanman | rbonnin: probabbly +i then |
| 18:25.23 | PDani_ | hi |
| 18:25.37 | debfanman | rbonnin: chattr -i /etc/shadow; echo test >> /etc/shadow |
| 18:25.37 | rbonnin | I installed ext2fsprogs, but I havent lsattr |
| 18:25.48 | debfanman | rbonnin: its "e2fsprogs" |
| 18:25.54 | stew | !find bin/lsattr woody |
| 18:26.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/lsattr' returned no results. |
| 18:26.09 | stew | oh wtf |
| 18:26.20 | Indephysis | that is not a good sign |
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| 18:26.24 | PDani_ | can i create a software-raid1 array during debian etch installation, and then install the debian on it? |
| 18:26.34 | JordiGH | What does the ds mean in the libc6-dev version number? |
| 18:26.40 | debfanman | rbonnin: try: /usr/bin/chattr -i /etc/shdow |
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| 18:26.59 | stew | !find bin/chattr woody |
| 18:27.05 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.06 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/chattr' returned no results. |
| 18:27.17 | rbonnin | I'm on sarge... |
| 18:27.23 | debfanman | rbonnin: apt-get install e2fsprogs |
| 18:27.25 | _JusSx_ | rbonnin: sshd and type here your root pwd |
| 18:27.34 | kaffien | thank you for your help |
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| 18:27.39 | innu | hi, im back. strill problems with sshd. ssh server debug is here: http://pastie.caboo.se/37249 All suggestions are welcome :). |
| 18:27.43 | stew | 12:48 < rbonnin> Its an updated woody |
| 18:27.58 | azeem | ... |
| 18:28.07 | stew | rbonnin: what version does "apt-cache policy e2fsprogs" say for Installed: |
| 18:28.16 | rbonnin | e2fsprogs is installed |
| 18:28.20 | stew | rbonnin: what version? |
| 18:28.39 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.39 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.40 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.40 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.50 | rbonnin | Sorry |
| 18:28.53 | debfanman | heh |
| 18:28.56 | stew | !find bin/lsattr sarge |
| 18:29.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lsattr' (1): (/usr/bin/lsattr) in admin/e2fsprogs. |
| 18:29.23 | debfanman | rbonnin: try: updatedb ; locate chattr |
| 18:29.45 | stew | rbonnin: if /usr/bin/lsattr really doesn't exist, try "aptitude reinstall e2fsprogs" |
| 18:29.54 | stew | rbonnin: did you just install e2fsprogs or was it already installed? |
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| 18:30.22 | debfanman | stew: god only knows why his shadow file got chattr'd and then the tools to undo disappeard..... |
| 18:30.24 | rbonnin | I apt-getted it I think |
| 18:30.34 | stew | it looks like rbonnin got hacked, the hacker did something with /etc/shadow, chattr +i /etc/shadow, then removed /usr/bin/lsattr and /usr/bin/chattr |
| 18:31.03 | stew | rbonnin: aptitude reinstall e2fsprogs && lsattr /etc/shadow |
| 18:31.17 | debfanman | stew: that would be a guess. or possible he followed some damn howto guild on securing his system and somehow broke it or borked his environment/path |
| 18:31.52 | stew | debfanman: i'd love to see a howto on securing that thought removing /usr/bin/lsattr would make a system more secure |
| 18:32.03 | rbonnin | Ok. Thanks, What ocurred is that some other person was accessing a server, to do mantaining tasks |
| 18:32.21 | innu | hi, im back. still problems with sshd. ssh server debug is here: http://pastie.caboo.se/37249 All suggestions are welcome :). |
| 18:32.23 | debfanman | rbonnin: curious, when did the password change "break"? you been doing anything on that box lately? is it firewalled? bad/easy to guess root passwords and sshd running? |
| 18:32.58 | debfanman | stew: lol same |
| 18:33.04 | stew | innu: looks like you typed the wrong password |
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| 18:33.19 | debfanman | rbonnin: was this person a stranger to you? |
| 18:33.19 | khaleel5100 | at debian.org they have said The latest stable release of Debian is 3.1. The last update to this release was made on October 28th |
| 18:33.20 | Caitriona | Not the right way to stop attribute changes either.... |
| 18:33.22 | khaleel5100 | so that means that if I download debian 3.1 , I willl get relatively new package versions |
| 18:33.39 | Caitriona | khaleel5100: those are stability updates |
| 18:33.47 | Gathond | khaleel5100: no |
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| 18:34.01 | Caitriona | you'll get old, well tested, mature packages. |
| 18:34.07 | innu | stew, i havent typed password. it even dosent ask password. |
| 18:34.10 | debfanman | Caitriona: but an effective one against a nub admin ;) |
| 18:34.27 | Gathond | khaleel5100: it means you get whatever debian 3.1 had when it was first released + some security and bug fixes |
| 18:34.36 | rbonnin | Ok, it working right now. Thanks lads! |
| 18:34.42 | stew | innu: this is ubuntu? |
| 18:34.47 | khaleel5100 | Caitriona: so that means if 3.1 has say kaffeine 2.0 *for example) , even the one last updated on oct will have kaffeie 2.0 but with bettter better sercuryt +bug fixes |
| 18:34.52 | stew | innu: please ask in #ubuntu not here |
| 18:35.00 | debfanman | stew: go figure, it starts to magically work..... |
| 18:35.01 | innu | stew, logging in from ubuntu. server is debian. and server has probs |
| 18:35.26 | Caitriona | debfanman: yeah... the right way is to mask out the capability or remount the filesystems with options to stop the +i attributes from being removed. |
| 18:35.29 | Caitriona | :) |
| 18:35.34 | stew | innu: /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 18:35.41 | stew | rbonnin: what did you change? |
| 18:35.44 | innu | that i just did |
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| 18:35.51 | innu | that is sshd debug info |
| 18:35.53 | Caitriona | or even better, to load a kernel module that can't be undone without a reboot :) |
| 18:36.09 | rbonnin | I reinstalled e2fsprogs, and chattr reappeared |
| 18:36.14 | debfanman | Caitriona: nah, just put the user in a virtual machine ;p |
| 18:36.37 | ojai | are there still any woody repositories debian.org? |
| 18:36.57 | stew | rbonnin: the fact that your /etc/shadow was chattr +i is an indication that someone was doing something malicious |
| 18:37.02 | debfanman | rbonnin: curious, was thie person that did "maintenance" a stranger to you? ie: some guy off the net that said, give me your root passwd and ill fix it? |
| 18:37.07 | HymnToLife | ojai, Woody has been moved to the archives |
| 18:37.14 | ojai | doh! |
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| 18:37.30 | jjazz | ojai: archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/ |
| 18:37.32 | stew | innu: can you also give the output of "ssh -v" from the client side? |
| 18:37.43 | ojai | jjazz: thanks! |
| 18:37.47 | jjazz | np |
| 18:37.50 | JordiGH | I'm glad Woody is done. It lent itself to too many dumb puns. |
| 18:37.59 | debfanman | lol |
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| 18:38.10 | stew | rbonnin: you might want to run "debsums" and see if anything else looks strange. however, i would no longer trust this box without reinstalling it from trusted media |
| 18:38.11 | rbonnin | Heh, the network people reported possible attacks in that server |
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| 18:38.25 | khaleel5100 | any rough idea when etch will be stable |
| 18:38.38 | stew | khaleel5100: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 18:38.39 | debfanman | rbonnin: who are these "network people"? your isp? |
| 18:38.41 | rbonnin | I came to know right |
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| 18:39.24 | stew | rbonnin: check if /etc/passwd is also +i, see if there are some unexpected accounts in there |
| 18:39.25 | rbonnin | Well the 3com router reported thousands of connection attemps to that server |
| 18:40.02 | dog | do you know a smtp server ican use with telnet to send mail? |
| 18:40.04 | khaleel5100 | stew: thank |
| 18:40.08 | khaleel5100 | stew: thanks* |
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| 18:40.14 | rbonnin | everithing looks ok |
| 18:40.15 | rahul | dog: 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:40.32 | dog | thanks raul |
| 18:40.34 | dkr | dog: you can use telnet with any smtp server |
| 18:40.38 | debfanman | rbonnin: connection attempts dont mean much. and a router would block any incoming SYN packets unless you opened ports on the router or set up that box as DMZ. |
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| 18:41.06 | dog | dkr all i have tried had port 25 filtered |
| 18:41.18 | stew | dog: ask your isp. they should provide one for you |
| 18:41.22 | dkr | mayeb your isp is filtering ort 25 |
| 18:41.22 | rbonnin | debfanman: the root passwd was weak also |
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| 18:41.43 | stew | dog: if your isp is filtering port 25, they definately should be providing one for you |
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| 18:42.03 | dog | so i can't connect my pc on port 25? |
| 18:42.12 | debfanman | rbonnin: but earlier you said you gave someone access to do maintenance on the box. who was this person? I would seriously talk to them. and weak passwords are useless if you have a router since they wouldnt have access to ssh/ftp or anything unless you specifically set it up. or is this a wireless router? if it is, you prolly got hacked |
| 18:42.28 | cyzie | just curious if debian stock kernel has support for suspend2? |
| 18:42.33 | rbonnin | There was ssh access |
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| 18:43.09 | rbonnin | We'll backup/reinstall the server, taking security more seriously |
| 18:43.34 | debfanman | rbonnin: well, regardless, you should assume that everything you said in here is logged, all passwords (including BIOS and router) are comprismised and you should now reformat and reinstalled EVERY OS/COMPUTER ON YOUR NETWORK |
| 18:43.40 | stew | rbonnin: you can maybe look at the modification dates on /etc/shadow to get an idea of when it happened: http://pastebin.ca/335906 |
| 18:44.09 | debfanman | rbonnin: one comprimised machine can hijack all traffic on a network switch. you loose one box, you lostthem all bud. sorry |
| 18:44.30 | stew | debfanman: how can i hijack all the traffic on my switch? |
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| 18:44.45 | stew | debfanman: i don't know of a way without hacking the switch as well |
| 18:44.49 | debfanman | stew: arp poisoning from otehr comprimised machines |
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| 18:45.34 | dog | no route to host |
| 18:45.47 | debfanman | if he were to reinstall one machine with other infected ones on the network and didnt know to check for connections being redirected, all his traffic could be comprimised. thus a clean install should only ever be performed with all other machines disconncted |
| 18:46.00 | rbonnin | Which effect everithing logged here affects our security? |
| 18:46.16 | stew | rbonnin: nothing |
| 18:46.56 | debfanman | rbonnin: you want my advice? go install a bridged |
| 18:47.00 | debfanman | ....nm |
| 18:47.13 | debfanman | reinstall, you be fine :p |
| 18:47.45 | debfanman | stew: heaven forbid they installed trojan'd router firmware or used open wifi to attack him in the first place rofl |
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| 18:49.43 | dog | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host |
| 18:49.58 | dog | ??? |
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| 18:50.17 | stew | dog: you are trying to connect to a host on your own subnet? or another subnet? |
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| 18:50.33 | dog | is my smtp server |
| 18:50.44 | JohnQ | Anyone know the tcsh equivalent of the bash command: foo 2>&1 |
| 18:50.54 | stew | dog: is your smtp server on the same subnet or a different subnet? |
| 18:51.08 | dog | i don't know |
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| 18:51.17 | stew | dog: what is the ip address of the smtp server? |
| 18:51.25 | debfanman | rbonnin: logging traffic affects your security yes. If i were to hack your box for example, and watch your irc traffic and you said "ok, im gonna change my passwords now", then I know, your changin your password and I know what to look out for, and what traffic to log etc. make sense? |
| 18:51.28 | stew | dog: and what is your ip address? |
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| 18:52.21 | rbonnin | debfanman: more or less |
| 18:52.41 | debfanman | rbonnin: curious though, is your router a wifi router? |
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| 18:52.52 | stew | a hacker that could watch for a changed password, but would only do so based on what someone said on irc is not a very clever hacker |
| 18:52.58 | dog | sorry |
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| 18:53.14 | rbonnin | stew: so think I |
| 18:53.16 | debfanman | stew: thats just an example ;) |
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| 18:54.47 | dog | my isp ip is 212.247.156.13 |
| 18:54.47 | stew | dog: can you "ping 212.247.156.13" ? |
| 18:54.47 | debfanman | stew: all im sayin is that if your gonna be sneaky with security, you cant hop on IRC and tell everyone about it. deafeats the purpose |
| 18:54.47 | rbonnin | Well, thanks God I'm not the sysadmin, I'm only helping :-)) |
| 18:54.48 | chimeres | Hi, i'm on ubuntu, i just wanted to know if GNOME is installed by default with the last version of debian? |
| 18:54.48 | dog | yes |
| 18:54.48 | stew | chimeres: no |
| 18:54.48 | Ronin | chimeres: only if you want it to be |
| 18:54.49 | stew | chimeres: only the bare minimum is installed by default |
| 18:54.51 | chimeres | How? |
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| 18:55.01 | chimeres | The 240mb thing? |
| 18:55.08 | stew | dog: then some firewall is blocking your port 25 access |
| 18:55.25 | dog | a firewall on my pc? |
| 18:55.29 | stew | chimeres: how what? how do you install gnome? "apt-get install gnome" |
| 18:55.55 | stew | dog: maybe. it could be your machine, the mail server or any router in between |
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| 18:56.15 | debfanman | dog: prolly a firewall at your isp to prevent spam from residential computers (not unheard of) |
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| 18:56.41 | dog | if i do nmap on my isp mail server nmap says port 25 is filtered |
| 18:57.12 | bluesnow | are debian kernels built with CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC=y ? |
| 18:57.16 | stew | dog: then you have the wrong smtp server. they should provide one for outgoing that isn't filtered. if not, switch isps |
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| 18:57.25 | bluesnow | (I mean is the config file accessible via /proc/config.gz ?) |
| 18:57.27 | debfanman | dog: have you tried telnet to any port 25 for something like hotmail's mx servers? |
| 18:57.37 | dog | yes |
| 18:57.44 | dog | i have tried many smtp server |
| 18:57.55 | dog | but are all filtered on 25 port |
| 18:57.56 | debfanman | dog: and.....? they work? didnt? |
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| 18:58.13 | chimeres | Well, with in Ubuntu, Gnome is installed by default, it is the same with debian? (bad english) |
| 18:58.27 | stew | chimeres: no, gnome is not installed by default in debian |
| 18:58.29 | debfanman | dog: ok, important question, does your isp give you a mail server setup for sending email? do you know the address of their mail server? |
| 18:58.35 | asg | chimeres: Debian has no defaults, only what you choose to install |
| 18:58.39 | stew | bluesnow: newer ones are, i don't believe the ones in stable are. |
| 18:58.49 | debfanman | dog: chances are you can only connect to port 25 to that one server |
| 18:59.12 | bluesnow | stew: do you happen to have access to such a config? (for -unstable would be perfect, but I'll take just about anything atm) |
| 18:59.22 | stew | !kernel configs |
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| 18:59.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
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| 18:59.43 | stew | bluesnow: ^^^ i haven't updated that in a while though |
| 18:59.45 | bluesnow | that sounds perfect |
| 19:00.08 | dog | no theymy isp didn't give me a smtp server |
| 19:00.10 | bluesnow | thanks |
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| 19:00.28 | stew | dog: ask them for one |
| 19:00.49 | cyzie | just curious if debian stock kernel has support for suspend2? |
| 19:01.08 | asche | anyone can help me? when i try to start kde i have this error : http://pastebin.ca/335960 |
| 19:01.13 | dog | stew: there is no other possibility? |
| 19:01.40 | dog | there's no other smtp server opened on port 25? |
| 19:02.07 | hark | asche: make sure xfonts-base is installed |
| 19:02.18 | stew | dog: only your isp would know what servers they are allowing you access to. i certainly wouldn't |
| 19:02.18 | hark | asche: how did you install X? |
| 19:02.47 | asg | dog: they are likely blocking all outbounds to src port 25 except for their own smarthosts. Ask them what their smarthosts are. |
| 19:03.01 | asche | hark: apt-get install kde xserver-xorg |
| 19:03.06 | asche | like that |
| 19:03.10 | asg | *dst |
| 19:03.22 | asche | the package xbase-fonts is not in my repository :s |
| 19:03.25 | bluesnow | stew: thanks a lot, I figured out what I needed |
| 19:03.33 | stew | asche: install x-window-system-core |
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| 19:03.42 | stew | bluesnow: you're welcome |
| 19:03.47 | hark | asche: install xorg |
| 19:04.31 | asche | first x-window-system-core and then xorg ? |
| 19:04.42 | stew | asche: just xorg is fine |
| 19:04.51 | asche | i have installed xorg |
| 19:05.07 | stew | asche: what does "apt-cache policy xorg" say for Installed: |
| 19:05.08 | hark | asche: x-window-system-core is a transitional package now. It installs xorg anyway |
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| 19:05.43 | stew | asche: we are talking about the package named "xorg" not the package named "xserver-xorg" |
| 19:05.51 | asche | aps |
| 19:06.07 | svilendotor1 | finally installed Etch AMD64 with daily netinstall cd, but i had to manually debootstrap because the biuld is broken |
| 19:06.09 | PDani_ | i have a problem. i installed etch with the following partitioning: sda1 + sdb1 for /boot in swraid1, sda2+sdb2 int swraid1 for an lvn physical volume, then on this i created a root and a swap logical volume, then i answered to the "install grub to master boot record" question with yes. then, i got a message, that no bootable device found. what did i wrong? |
| 19:06.16 | svilendotor1 | using raid1+vlm |
| 19:06.25 | hark | asche: and it was xfonts-base (not xbase-fonts) |
| 19:06.40 | asche | hah |
| 19:06.58 | svilendotor1 | PDani_: i had the same problem |
| 19:06.59 | PDani_ | svilendotor1: any solution? :) |
| 19:07.03 | svilendotor1 | PDani_: press Alt+F2 |
| 19:07.13 | PDani_ | svilendotor1: ? |
| 19:07.18 | asche | ok, thanks im going to try |
| 19:07.23 | svilendotor1 | type: mount /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 /cdrom |
| 19:07.34 | svilendotor1 | or something like that |
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| 19:08.14 | asche | how can i see with fdisk -l what thing is mounted in each partition ? |
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| 19:08.39 | xand | asche: what do you mean? |
| 19:08.47 | cld2 | is there any PST/PDT fix I need to do? |
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| 19:08.50 | svilendotor1 | then go back to Alt+F1 and continue the install, but if it gives you an error again you have to manually debootstrap :( |
| 19:08.55 | stew | asche: type "mount" |
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| 19:09.40 | asche | oka |
| 19:09.44 | asche | :D |
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| 19:10.26 | PDani_ | svilendotor1: are these instructions for my problem? |
| 19:10.39 | svilendotor1 | PDani_: i used the netinstall CD to partition my hdds, create my raid1 arrays and lvm partitions on the second raid1 array, then manually debootstrapped Etch on the partitioned drives |
| 19:10.53 | svilendotor1 | PDani_: yes, if it gives you another error |
| 19:11.28 | PDani_ | svilendotor1: i got the error after reboot before grub, i suppose it's the bios |
| 19:11.43 | svilendotor1 | what error? |
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| 19:12.06 | PDani_ | no bootable device found |
| 19:12.47 | GeorgeS069 | PDani: you need a partition marked as bootable that can be read on startup |
| 19:13.08 | PDani_ | GeorgeS069: thx, i will try it |
| 19:13.12 | stew | GeorgeS069: for what? |
| 19:13.22 | stew | PDani_: grub doesn't care about the bootable flag |
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| 19:13.45 | discus | hi |
| 19:13.47 | discus | yesterday my plone was badly configurated ; today can you give me opinion on it at http://petsknowledge.fr ? |
| 19:14.06 | svilendotor1 | PDani_: configure your BIOS to boot from the HDDs? |
| 19:14.26 | xand | discus: is this the right channel? |
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| 19:14.48 | discus | yes i heberge it with sid Linux demudi 2.6.18-3-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Dec 10 19:57:44 CET 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:14.59 | asche | thanks people i solved my problem |
| 19:15.00 | asche | :D |
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| 19:15.28 | xand | discus: sid isn't supported here :) |
| 19:15.40 | stew | xand: sid is supported here. demudi isn't |
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| 19:15.52 | xand | stew: not according to azeem |
| 19:16.08 | xand | and i have no idea what demudi is |
| 19:16.16 | streuner | stew: are you care that Demudi should be integrated into Debian? |
| 19:16.46 | stew | streuner: what does demudi have that debian doesn't (besides a low latency kernel)? |
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| 19:17.05 | Neuron | hi everybody there |
| 19:17.12 | karsten | stew: Innit realtime? |
| 19:17.16 | streuner | stew: a long list of multimedia software :-) |
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| 19:17.30 | stew | karsten: yeah that |
| 19:17.41 | stew | streuner: i didn't know it had stuff that wasn't already packaged for debian |
| 19:18.03 | JordiGH | Is there any method to the madness of the numbers aptitude assigns to each proposed solution? I mean, is it in the docs, or should I examine the source? |
| 19:18.05 | karsten | stew: DEBianMUltimediaDIstribution. Incorporated Marillat repos? |
| 19:18.21 | stew | karsten: oh probably |
| 19:18.40 | stew | karsten: (which is all software that can't be integrated into debian) |
| 19:18.51 | karsten | stew: Google brings up Wikipedia and Slashdot articles, both of which shed some light. |
| 19:18.55 | karsten | http://slashdot.org/articles/01/07/19/1527233.shtml |
| 19:19.26 | markybob | anyone know what was used to turn the 12 days of christmas into the obfuscated mess shown as an example of obfuscation wikipedia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_obfuscation |
| 19:20.20 | stew | markybob: probably lots of caffeine |
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| 19:20.50 | rahul | more like crack |
| 19:21.00 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 19:21.01 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 19:21.17 | rahul | markybob: was it you who created that web page with a list of debian package management tools? |
| 19:21.21 | rahul | various commands |
| 19:21.46 | markybob | i dont know what you're talking about, so probably not. what i do under the influence is beyond my control, though. |
| 19:21.47 | justin | markybob: LSD? |
| 19:22.04 | markybob | damnit! if you dont have a straight answer, dont say anything at all |
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| 19:22.56 | rahul | "under the influence" is very much the answer to your question |
| 19:23.01 | JordiGH | markybob: You really think the code in Wikipedia was obfuscated by a machine? |
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| 19:23.52 | markybob | JordiGH, i'd assume so, yes. if i was going to obfuscate something, i'd probably write a program to do it instead of doing it by hand |
| 19:23.55 | debfanman | JordiGH: i could only imagine trying to make sense of that code through gdb let alone the source :) |
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| 19:24.02 | streuner | stew: http://www.frappr.com/agnula (Flash!) |
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| 19:24.24 | streuner | stew: most of them, so it seems to me, are musicans. |
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| 19:24.27 | goodshit | anyone know work with samba before? I got samba to setup, but i'm having some premission issues, What i want to do is allow all my LAN users to have full previledge to the shared dirve, Can someone take a look at my config file see if this is set correct. http://pastebin.ca/335999 |
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| 19:24.53 | tuvwx | markybob, i believe there are tools for that. i don't know any though |
| 19:25.11 | eisen_ | did you check the permissions in the filesystem? |
| 19:25.18 | markybob | tuvwx, yes, plenty. most of which are crap and cause gcc to barf. which is why i asked what made that, since gcc compiled it with no problem |
| 19:25.27 | goodshit | eisen you mean the file itself? |
| 19:25.32 | debfanman | goodshit: missing [? does the share show up? or just not writable? |
| 19:25.38 | eisen_ | the folder you share, yes |
| 19:25.41 | goodshit | it show up but not writable |
| 19:25.43 | xand | goodshit: did you try it? |
| 19:25.50 | rahul | markybob: true obfuscation isn't something programs have been able to do yet |
| 19:25.52 | goodshit | i tried it |
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| 19:26.07 | goodshit | know why |
| 19:26.08 | xand | goodshit: you're missing a [ in that file |
| 19:26.10 | goodshit | i mean |
| 19:26.18 | goodshit | i got a [ in there |
| 19:26.21 | goodshit | i just didn't copy it all :) |
| 19:26.21 | xand | on line 14 |
| 19:26.23 | goodshit | but its sharing |
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| 19:26.35 | xand | what are the permissions of /home/file/shared? |
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| 19:26.52 | debfanman | goodshit: try writeable = yes? and perms on that dir allow o=rwx? |
| 19:27.04 | goodshit | i see |
| 19:27.10 | goodshit | so its chmod 755 ? |
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| 19:27.16 | goodshit | and set my writeable = yes? |
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| 19:27.22 | xand | goodshit: 777 |
| 19:27.24 | goodshit | should i set it to public |
| 19:27.28 | goodshit | or shared |
| 19:27.32 | debfanman | goodshit: well, somehow samba uid/gid needs full write perm to that dir |
| 19:27.48 | goodshit | well want everyonoe to have full preliedge |
| 19:27.51 | xand | also you need to set create mask |
| 19:27.55 | debfanman | goodshit: uid or gid +w is up to you though |
| 19:27.59 | goodshit | without typing any password.. |
| 19:28.09 | stew | streuner: i don't know of any packages that are in demudi that could be in debian that aren't besides the kernel. i'd like to see a realtime kernel in debian. |
| 19:28.12 | goodshit | i want them to see it without any password |
| 19:28.14 | goodshit | or anything |
| 19:28.38 | tuxedup | I am trying to set up cpu freq scaling but when I modprobe p4-clockmod or acpi-cpufreq it tells me erorr inserter no such device found. I am using a celeron M |
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| 19:29.10 | eisen_ | you should pick a group foo, put "guest account = foo" in smb.conf and make it rw for that group |
| 19:29.25 | eisen_ | or just use the samba group |
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| 19:30.13 | eisen_ | this would map the samba guest to the local group |
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| 19:30.33 | eisen_ | folder should be owned by the group and rw for that group |
| 19:30.37 | JordiGH | Hm, where can I see a package's changelog before apt-getting it? It's a large package, and I want to see if updating it is worthwhile. |
| 19:30.48 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: packages.debian.org |
| 19:31.05 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Ah, right. I can see individual files in there. I forgot. Thanks. |
| 19:31.16 | tuvwx | JordiGH, C in aptitude |
| 19:31.19 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it actually has a link directly to the changelog too. |
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| 19:33.11 | debfanman | i swear you could write a book with all the tips you hear in here on a good day |
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| 19:33.47 | schultzconsult | Hi, is it possible to find a given process being swapped out? |
| 19:33.58 | schultzconsult | I have a system, which is swapping a lot |
| 19:34.03 | cydork | JordiGH: there is apt-listchanges too |
| 19:34.36 | dkr | JordiGH: or push C in aptitude |
| 19:34.55 | dkr | duh, I should have read the whole buffer |
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| 19:35.40 | dkr | schultzconsult: top has a field that shows memory swapped out for each proc |
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| 19:36.20 | JordiGH | My aptitude can't read UTF-8. :-( |
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| 19:36.41 | Eclipser | where's utf-8 in aptitude? |
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| 19:36.56 | dhuv | hello all, have installed wvWare on a i386 and amd64 box, I am using wvRTF to convert the same doc to an rtf, but it seg faults on the amd64 box |
| 19:37.10 | schultzconsult | dkr: which line in top does that? |
| 19:37.29 | dhuv | any adivce on where to ask for help? |
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| 19:37.55 | JordiGH | Eclipser: In people's names. |
| 19:38.02 | dkr | push "f" and from that screen you choose which fields you want displayed |
| 19:38.03 | Eclipser | JordiGH, for example? |
| 19:38.12 | Eclipser | JordiGH, which package? |
| 19:38.35 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: that's not really aptitude, it's the fact that your console can't display UTF8 |
| 19:38.51 | Eclipser | probably so :) |
| 19:39.01 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: aptitude complains about not being able to decode two-byte character. |
| 19:39.07 | eisen_ | schultzconsult: type f, then p |
| 19:39.22 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: with a red error message next to the offending line. |
| 19:39.36 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: which package? |
| 19:39.36 | schultzconsult | dkr: if I activate the swap line it shows information about each program and thats good, but why does it not match the total swap for the system? |
| 19:39.38 | JordiGH | Eclipser: The changelogs usually contain people whose names can't be written in ASCII. |
| 19:39.52 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: the developers-reference changelog, for instance. |
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| 19:39.59 | dkr | schultzconsult: because buffered/cached pages can also be swapped out |
| 19:40.22 | dkr | I think |
| 19:40.47 | debfanman | dkr: not a very useful buffer if it gets swapped out :( |
| 19:40.59 | schultzconsult | dkr: hmm, semes strange to me, why should the totalt swap amount be lower than the sumarized amount for all processes in the list... |
| 19:41.15 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: hrm. works just fine here. |
| 19:41.16 | dkr | schultzconsult: oh, shared mem can also be swapped out |
| 19:42.04 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Do you have UTF-8 locales? |
| 19:42.23 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yes. anything else is useless |
| 19:42.58 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Not for me. Russian usually uses KOI-8. The Spanish-speakig world mostly uses Latin1, not UTF-8. |
| 19:43.27 | holycow | is it possible to tell sshd to accept only connections from a certain ip without resorting to iptables? |
| 19:43.47 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: sure, but they should all switch. It's possible to translate from any of those codings into UTF8, but they are incompatible with eachother. |
| 19:43.53 | debfanman | doesnt sshd use hosts.allow/deny? |
| 19:44.06 | xand | it does, yes |
| 19:44.07 | dkr | yeah, even #debian-ru still use koi-8, I don't see why they haven't switched to utf-8 |
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| 19:44.24 | xand | holycow: yes, edit hosts.allow and .deny |
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| 19:44.33 | holycow | ah! right, thank you :) |
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| 19:44.34 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: for almost anything that you'll actually edit or use, your editor can trivially switch back and forth. [Good IRC clients can also auto-translate for particular channels.] |
| 19:45.01 | xand | in .deny you have sshd: all and in .allow you have sshd: some.ip.address |
| 19:45.53 | debfanman | its funny, all these years playin with computers and char encodings on linux and still a complete fsckin mystery to me :/ |
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| 19:46.32 | JordiGH | Actually, getting Emacs to recognise charsets is sometimes a chore. |
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| 19:46.50 | stew | it is? |
| 19:47.12 | JordiGH | Meh, a little. You have to give it a language environment and reload the document. I always forget how to do it and have to read the docs. :-) |
| 19:47.39 | debfanman | well, i guess ive just been one to only care if my english char's are displayed. I dont give a rats butt if my browser shows chinese/foreign symbols on my screen. nor have i had the need to honour proper storage of them in any kinda of files/db's thus far in my computer existance |
| 19:47.53 | JordiGH | Also, I gotta make sure my X keyboard layout is US, and rely on Emacs instead to switch keyboard layouts. |
| 19:47.58 | freach | I upgraded postgresql-8.1 in debian etch and now postgresql seems to have a startup problem: CET FATAL: password authentication failed for user "postgres" |
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| 19:48.45 | freach | but login with postgres is still the same password |
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| 19:49.22 | debfanman | freach: not that i have had experience with that particular upgrade, but is the ident file or whatever it was that pgsql used set to use specifically md5/plain auth, and did the conf file change it? |
| 19:49.29 | holycow | cool that works |
| 19:49.36 | freach | no |
| 19:49.46 | freach | the only thing to change was crontab |
| 19:50.00 | holycow | whats going to be interesting is that i have denyhosts installed and running ... i wonder if i can get the same ip simultaneously denied and allowed |
| 19:50.01 | holycow | -_- |
| 19:50.11 | holycow | thanks for the help guys |
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| 19:51.11 | freach | [UPGRADE] postgresql-8.1 8.1.5-2 -> 8.1.6-1 |
| 19:51.11 | freach | [UPGRADE] postgresql-client-8.1 8.1.5-2 -> 8.1.6-1 |
| 19:51.11 | freach | [UPGRADE] postgresql-contrib-8.1 8.1.5-2 -> 8.1.6-1 |
| 19:51.17 | solemnwarning | Can I use unrar to extract a file thats been split over 48 rar archives? |
| 19:51.33 | stew | solemnwarning: yes, unrar x /path/to/first/rar |
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| 19:51.36 | solemnwarning | .{rar,r{00-47}} |
| 19:51.40 | solemnwarning | ok |
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| 19:52.02 | debfanman | solemnwarning: let me guess, 1.44mb rar files? |
| 19:52.07 | solemnwarning | Nope |
| 19:52.15 | solemnwarning | 14.3MB, for some reason |
| 19:52.17 | freach | ok that's serious I have no clue about this and the database is very importent and I can't role back to 8.1.5-2 |
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| 19:53.29 | markybob | solemnwarning, what's the problem? just point it to the rar file, not the r00, r01, etc, files. |
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| 19:53.42 | debfanman | freach: the logs give any clues? and when you said "but login with postgres is still the same", did you mean the system login? or the db login? |
| 19:53.42 | solemnwarning | Yeah, I didn't know I was supposed to do that |
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| 19:53.55 | solemnwarning | Was trying to extract them all :\ |
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| 19:54.15 | markybob | solemnwarning, problem solved, then :) |
| 19:54.20 | solemnwarning | :) |
| 19:54.32 | freach | debfanman: i thought that maybe the upgrade reset my password to standart, but it is still the password I set once |
| 19:54.43 | freach | debfanman: i will check the logs again |
| 19:55.01 | abrotman | solemnwarning: or just try it |
| 19:55.07 | debfanman | freach: well, i would help, but its been ages since dabled with good ol pgsql. :/ |
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| 19:56.17 | ChrisGo | I know this isnt the place but is PCLinuxOS any good? |
| 19:56.18 | debfanman | freach: possible that you need to specify the ask for password option for psql? |
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| 19:56.54 | debfanman | ChrisGo: if you knew it wasnt the place, why you ask? :p |
| 19:56.55 | freach | debfanman: I can login with psql |
| 19:57.14 | ChrisGo | want educated answers |
| 19:57.19 | debfanman | freach: what "cant" you log in with? |
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| 19:57.46 | freach | debfanman: If I start postgresql I can't do a complete startup "CET LOG: incomplete startup packet" because of "CET FATAL: password authentication failed for user "postgres"" |
| 19:58.01 | freach | whatever that does the postgresql startup login |
| 19:58.06 | debfanman | ChrisGo: does PCLinuxOS even exist? or you just trolling? |
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| 19:58.40 | stew | ChrisGo: try ##linux |
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| 19:59.50 | schultzconsult | dkr: I just found a very high wa in top, normally it's a very high id, but, what does wa means? |
| 20:00.14 | asg | schultzconsult: waiting on I/O to compelete |
| 20:00.15 | stew | schultzconsult: io wait. things waiting for io to complete (generally on a hard drive) |
| 20:00.28 | stew | !pubtime |
| 20:00.29 | dpkg | from memory, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 20:00.33 | abrotman | wee! |
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| 20:00.46 | asg | stew: :) Been home all day due to snow |
| 20:00.50 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 20:00.50 | schultzconsult | stew: so it might be a buggi harddrive |
| 20:00.55 | stew | i want some |
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| 20:00.57 | abrotman | stew: see .. if you were in #-ot .. you'd know these things! |
| 20:01.13 | stew | schultzconsult: busy harddrive, not likely a buggy harddrive |
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| 20:01.39 | stew | schultzconsult: are you swapping? |
| 20:01.42 | schultzconsult | I have been watching the wa at above 80% for about 1 hour now |
| 20:01.48 | schultzconsult | no swapping |
| 20:01.54 | debfanman | freach: pgsql using some sort of file for auth in ~/ in that new version that you might need to setup for startup? something in /etc/default thats new perhaps? ident file setup to "trust" postgres based on ident? |
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| 20:06.32 | Ebbs | Hi! I just installed beryl successfully with my debian/etch and my ati card (fglrx). There is just a little problem. After startup of the system xgl works not. I have to stop gdm and then start it again to make beryl work! Has anybody an idea why? |
| 20:07.00 | schultzconsult | stew: might be other things than the harddrive? |
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| 20:07.34 | schultzconsult | stew: some processes 99% at reaching a deadlock... |
| 20:07.39 | schultzconsult | ? |
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| 20:08.26 | holycow | Ebbs, the thing about beryl is that its alpha stage software ... depending on your luck it will behave in strange ways |
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| 20:08.43 | Ebbs | k |
| 20:08.47 | Ebbs | thx |
| 20:08.52 | holycow | Ebbs, not sure anyone will know the answer to that especially since your running etch ... very hard problem to diagnose |
| 20:08.57 | holycow | np i hope it helps at least |
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| 20:10.34 | stew | schultzconsult: can you put the output of "vmstat 1 2; vmstat -d" into a pastebin? |
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| 20:10.53 | schultzconsult | yep, will do in 2-5 seconds |
| 20:11.54 | Ebbs | holycow, in this moment ive found this: "Configure GDM to wait long enough for Xgl to start before assuming it is defunct." do you know how to make gdm wait? |
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| 20:13.11 | schultzconsult | stew: www.pastebin.com/873008 |
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| 20:14.51 | JordiGH | Wow. Looks daunting: https://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php |
| 20:15.45 | stew | schultzconsult: do you not have a hard disk? |
| 20:16.28 | stew | wonder why vmstat -d didn't pick one up |
| 20:16.42 | stew | or why "vmstat 1 2" only gave one line instead of 2 |
| 20:17.16 | schultzconsult | stew: what do you mean about that? |
| 20:18.23 | Ebbs | does any body know how to make gdm wait while starting until xgl is started? |
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| 20:18.53 | abrotman | might want to ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 20:19.03 | esters | Hello , how to fix : http://pastebin.se/6729 |
| 20:19.38 | holycow | Ebbs, not off the top of my head, i am righ tin the middle of something |
| 20:19.44 | holycow | Ebbs, i'll try and help out later |
| 20:20.08 | abrotman | !tell esters about search |
| 20:20.20 | esters | abrotman: m4 is installed |
| 20:20.29 | Ebbs | holycow, k, Im sry disturbung you. thx |
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| 20:21.08 | stew | schultzconsult: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:22.10 | schultzconsult | 2.6.11.12-xenU |
| 20:22.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: apt-get install kq |
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| 20:23.41 | stew | schultzconsult: is this machine a domU? |
| 20:24.07 | stew | schultzconsult: "vmstat -d" should have shown disk activity, but didn't show any disks at all, which is confusing to me |
| 20:24.09 | cahoot | Ebbs: this is old news? http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian |
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| 20:25.48 | Ebbs | cahoot, thx |
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| 20:27.09 | schultzconsult | stew: it might be because it's a virtuel server in xen, but there should not be so much wa |
| 20:27.14 | yolkaplexus | any idead when debian 4.0 will be released ? |
| 20:27.35 | CyberGabber | How do i found the right repository for downloading : linux-headers-2.6.17-2-686 ? |
| 20:27.38 | stew | schultzconsult: in that case, we really should be looking at vmstat from the host |
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| 20:28.27 | schwepp | hi, how can i list all installed packets? (or even sorted by size? *g) |
| 20:28.53 | yolkaplexus | dlocate | grep ^ii |
| 20:29.02 | yolkaplexus | dlocate -l | grep ^ii |
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| 20:29.33 | stew | schwepp: install grep-dcrtl ; and man grep-dctrl ; it is one of the exmaples given |
| 20:29.42 | schwepp | ok thanks |
| 20:30.11 | yolkaplexus | or dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 20:31.40 | lindenle | I cannot paste using x2x could this be a problem with X config? |
| 20:32.14 | yolkaplexus | what is x2x ? |
| 20:32.36 | lindenle | Allows you to control multiple x displays with one keyboard and mouse |
| 20:32.49 | Guerin | lindenle: it's likely a problem with x2x |
| 20:32.50 | dkr | lindenle: are you sure x2x has that feature? |
| 20:33.04 | dkr | it didn't when i used it many mango seasons ago. |
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| 20:33.09 | justin | x2x lets you paste primary selection stuff |
| 20:33.13 | justin | probably not things coppied from gtk apps |
| 20:33.28 | lindenle | looks like it is actually a problem in kde on the seond machine |
| 20:33.30 | lindenle | second |
| 20:33.35 | dkr | lindenle: try synergy, it's also cross platform |
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| 20:34.48 | yolkaplexus | um i got an issue with fluxbox, it seems that i can not tabbed windows. the online talk about this feature. but I dont know get this thing work |
| 20:35.09 | yolkaplexus | fluxbox Version: 0.9.14-1.2 |
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| 20:35.58 | emme\ | hi all |
| 20:36.15 | schultzconsult | stew: the host is looking completly normal, no stuff there... but if I look at different virtuel servers there is no problem, so I don't get it.. |
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| 20:37.16 | g333k_work | hello, I'd like to clone my hard drive, I have another scsi hot swap slot and another scsi hard disk identical than mine.. how can I clone it? |
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| 20:37.28 | emme\ | which module i have to load to make work Broadcom 440x ethernet card (CHIP=BCM440x) |
| 20:37.30 | emme\ | ? |
| 20:37.37 | stew | schultzconsult: the output of vmstat that you showed me did not indicate that you had much in a wait state. only 4% |
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| 20:38.51 | schultzconsult | okay, but if I look at top, it shows 80% og above in wa |
| 20:38.53 | stew | g333k_work: its best to do it when no filesystems are mounted on the source hard drive (like from a livecd if you boot from that drive), then just "cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb" (where sda is the source drive and sdb is the target drive) |
| 20:39.41 | mfrisch | stew: you can do that? |
| 20:39.42 | abrotman | emme\: /msg dpkg which driver |
| 20:39.50 | abrotman | emme\: likely b44 or tg3 |
| 20:40.01 | g333k_work | stew, I can use a knoppix live cd.... what would be the process then? |
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| 20:40.10 | biz | is there any other console browser than links2 that can be run in a graphics mode? (eg. display images) |
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| 20:40.23 | stew | mfrisch: sure |
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| 20:40.27 | stew | g333k_work: boot the cd, figure out what drive is which, cp sourcedrive destdrive |
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| 20:41.19 | g333k_work | stew, I heard about the dd command... whats the difference? |
| 20:41.30 | yolkaplexus | emme\: http://mailman.3ti.be/pipermail/clusterknoppix/2003-September/000084.html |
| 20:41.32 | Onur | hi. I installed lm-sensors and run sensors-detect. Everythinks ok but i try sensors its say No sensors found. I modprobe my i2c driver, it is'nt worked. Do you have any idea? |
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| 20:41.56 | stew | g333k_work: none really, you could "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb" and get the same exact results |
| 20:42.14 | emme\ | yolkaplexus,thanks a lot :-) |
| 20:42.15 | stew | g333k_work: (assuming that /dev/sda is your current drive and /dev/sdb is the new drive) |
| 20:42.20 | CmdrChalupa | Has anyone here compiled or have any guidance on compiling a 32-bit openssl on a amd64 system? |
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| 20:42.51 | g333k_work | stew, ok I thought there were some performance differences |
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| 20:44.06 | yolkaplexus | noone is using fluxbox ? :< |
| 20:44.09 | PDani_ | which is the simplest way to edit an initrd image? |
| 20:44.15 | PDani_ | (unpack, edit, repack) |
| 20:44.20 | tarzeau | PDani_: yes |
| 20:44.26 | stew | g333k_work: possibly you can get better performance with dd by specifying a block size with the bs=NNN option to dd, but i don't know |
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| 20:44.43 | esters | yolkaplexus: i have |
| 20:44.52 | yolkaplexus | [reposting] i got an issue with fluxbox, it seems that i can not tabbed windows. the online talk about this feature. but I dont know get this thing work |
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| 20:45.11 | Guerin | yolkaplexus: if anyone knew, they'd have answered |
| 20:45.17 | justin | yolkaplexus: #fluxbox |
| 20:45.30 | yolkaplexus | ^^ |
| 20:45.32 | yolkaplexus | thx |
| 20:46.14 | yolkaplexus | i am using fluxbox out of the box |
| 20:46.18 | PDani_ | tarzeau: easier than that? maybe a little tool, or script, or just a command-line? |
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| 20:46.35 | tarzeau | PDani_: no, isn't that easy enough? |
| 20:46.43 | janttsu | i've tried everything... "Error: Unable to open /dev/sdc - unrecognised disk label. |
| 20:46.43 | tarzeau | PDani_: you can make such a tool though |
| 20:46.47 | twobitsprite | someone in here was recommending that I buy an MSI wireless adaptor... is that person on right now? |
| 20:47.10 | Guerin | !wayttd janttsu |
| 20:47.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, janttsu? |
| 20:47.31 | twobitsprite | or does anyone in here know what driver I need for an MSI wireless adapter? |
| 20:47.46 | janttsu | making a new partition table |
| 20:47.56 | stew | twobitsprite: it depends on the chipset, not the manufacturer |
| 20:48.02 | justin | twobitsprite: what wireless adapter do you actuall have(lspci) |
| 20:48.04 | lepine_h | can someone give me a hand with bind? its complaining about an invalid token in one of my zone files ... thing is, i copy pasted that file from another server one which it works fine ... |
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| 20:48.06 | twobitsprite | stew: lspci says its ralink |
| 20:48.06 | PDani_ | tarzeau: yeah, but i'm too lazy to learn to use cpio... :) |
| 20:48.13 | lepine_h | here is the file it self : http://pastebin.ca/336110 |
| 20:48.21 | janttsu | the disk seems to be 1813.2 GB big :D actually it's 80 gb |
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| 20:48.30 | tarzeau | PDani_: ah wait i think i have something |
| 20:48.30 | Roey | HI |
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| 20:48.59 | tarzeau | PDani_: zcat initrd.gz | cpio -idvm |
| 20:49.02 | mfrisch | janttsu: oh your using that new disk commpression |
| 20:49.07 | tarzeau | PDani_: and find stuff/ | cpio -o -H crc | gzip > initrd.gz |
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| 20:49.32 | janttsu | mfrisch: hehheh |
| 20:49.47 | PDani_ | tarzeau: thx |
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| 20:50.18 | Guerin | janttsu: try cfdisk -z ? |
| 20:50.23 | PDani_ | tarzeau: i owe you one ;) |
| 20:50.53 | stew | it always seems like -i and -o are backwards on cpio |
| 20:51.26 | janttsu | Guerin: Size: 1813212823552 bytes, 1813.2 GB |
| 20:51.30 | janttsu | :D |
| 20:52.02 | stew | janttsu: what does "fdisk -l" say about the drive (if anything)? |
| 20:52.25 | mfrisch | sfdisk has backup restore for part tables |
| 20:52.34 | janttsu | stew: http://pastebin.ca/336134 |
| 20:53.11 | Guerin | janttsu: are you using some sort of disk compression malarkey, or is mfrisch just being an eejit, per usual? |
| 20:53.13 | chops | lepine_h: Are you sure the copy-paste didn't mangle the file? Are you able to copy the file directly and then modify it in place on the new server? |
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| 20:53.56 | mfrisch | Guerin: what sfdisk doesn't have that? |
| 20:53.56 | janttsu | Guerin: no compression |
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| 20:54.02 | twobitsprite | ok, so I know I need the rt2500 driver... but I installed the rt2500 package, but modprobe still doesn't find it, and the only binary that comes with the package errors saying the conf file isn't right |
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| 20:54.38 | lepine_h | chops, thanks for the suggestions ... but it was indeed a syntax mistake ... |
| 20:54.41 | stew | !m-a twobitsprite rt2500 |
| 20:54.42 | dpkg | twobitsprite: to compile and install rt2500 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2500 && modprobe rt2500 ; if this works echo rt2500 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 20:54.45 | Guerin | twobitsprite: m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2500-source |
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| 20:54.51 | lepine_h | my version doesn't like the SOA information on new lines .... |
| 20:54.53 | Guerin | twobitsprite: that should be all that's needed |
| 20:55.03 | lepine_h | SOA ns email ( ... ... ... ... ) |
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| 20:55.11 | twobitsprite | Guerin: cool, thanks |
| 20:55.19 | jelly | janttsu: do you care about any data that was on the drive? |
| 20:55.25 | janttsu | no |
| 20:55.35 | Guerin | twobitsprite: it works well, but there are a couple gotchas. |
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| 20:56.06 | twobitsprite | Guerin: such as? |
| 20:56.13 | jelly | janttsu: then zero out the mbr and start from scratch... dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/w00t bs=512 count=1 |
| 20:56.20 | Guerin | twobitsprite: the most obvious one is that it won't work without encryption - ie, you can't turn WEP off. It CLAIMS WEP is off but in actual fact it's on, and if the other end is non-WEP, it won't associate |
| 20:56.33 | stew | w00t |
| 20:56.34 | Guerin | twobitsprite: i say `obvious' but it took me most of a day to figure out |
| 20:56.48 | twobitsprite | Guerin: not a problem there |
| 20:56.55 | |ac3| | amavis puts its info: "X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at domain.com" in the middle of the received headers. Is this normal? IÂŽm using amavisd-new 2.2.4. |
| 20:56.57 | jelly | janttsu: substitute w00t for the actual device |
| 20:57.03 | janttsu | jelly: tried that, same problem again |
| 20:57.15 | Guerin | twobitsprite: the other is that it won't do master mode without some ninjery, and its ad-hoc mode is limited to 11Mbit, again unless you do some jugger which I haven't bothered to |
| 20:57.27 | janttsu | is my hdd broken? :D |
| 20:57.33 | jelly | janttsu: hrm. Maybe the stupid kernel read out the partition and thinks it's really smart |
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| 20:57.43 | mfrisch | janttsu: NO |
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| 20:58.28 | Guerin | twobitsprite: i haven't yet set up WPA; TBPFH i'm wondering whether to go for ipsec |
| 20:58.49 | jelly | janttsu: can you pastebin the output of hdparm -I /dev/device ? |
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| 20:59.04 | twobitsprite | Guerin: right on |
| 20:59.12 | twobitsprite | Guerin: WEP is fine with me |
| 20:59.22 | janttsu | jelly: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument |
| 20:59.29 | janttsu | can't get any other output |
| 20:59.36 | stew | Guerin: openvpn is easy |
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| 20:59.42 | twobitsprite | Guerin: I usually rotate wireless keys about as often as my passwords, which is every month or so... |
| 20:59.44 | Guerin | janttsu: i think it might be time to get a new drive |
| 20:59.56 | Guerin | twobitsprite: aargh, that's teh evils |
| 21:00.05 | janttsu | Guerin: that just occured to me... :p |
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| 21:00.10 | Guerin | stew: mm, ok. I have to wait until my papers are all in. |
| 21:00.17 | jelly | janttsu: hmm, how is the drive connected? PATA, SATA, SCSI, USB? |
| 21:00.25 | janttsu | USB right now |
| 21:00.27 | mfrisch | janttsu: how old is the drive |
| 21:00.33 | twobitsprite | Guerin: ok, so now how do I configure it? the RaConf tool still says "device not found check rt2500.conf"... |
| 21:00.39 | janttsu | hmm.. maybe 5 years |
| 21:00.52 | stew | janttsu: try it with a different controller maybe? |
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| 21:01.02 | Guerin | twobitsprite: i never used the raconf |
| 21:01.12 | jelly | janttsu: ah, usb doesn't do any of the more advanced features than read, write , identify and "shut down the device" |
| 21:01.14 | janttsu | stew: tried directly on IDE, didn't work there either |
| 21:01.24 | Guerin | twobitsprite: `device not found' means `you don't have this hardware, or you don't have the module instealled' |
| 21:01.34 | twobitsprite | Guerin: well... I have both |
| 21:01.50 | janttsu | jelly: i'll try it again with IDE sometimes.. need to boot for it ;( |
| 21:01.52 | jelly | janttsu: try hdparm -I on IDE. It might not work with USB correctly. |
| 21:01.57 | Guerin | twobitsprite: now the fun starts :) |
| 21:02.06 | twobitsprite | Guerin: yay.... I love this part...... |
| 21:02.19 | jelly | janttsu: also, hope that the usb chipset sucks and not your drive ;-) |
| 21:02.30 | janttsu | yeah.. |
| 21:04.03 | HardDisk_WP | disconnecting |
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| 21:04.20 | twobitsprite | Guerin: will iwconfig do all I need to? |
| 21:04.38 | Guerin | twobitsprite: i configures mine 100% with iwconfig |
| 21:04.45 | Guerin | so, i guess so |
| 21:05.00 | twobitsprite | cool |
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| 21:06.12 | Miesco | My sound card supports hardware mixing, how come it does not? |
| 21:06.26 | Guerin | !htfswk Miesco |
| 21:06.27 | dpkg | Miesco: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 21:10.14 | twobitsprite | Guerin: did you say you had problems with master mode? |
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| 21:11.22 | Guerin | twobitsprite: there is no master mode built into the driver |
| 21:11.40 | twobitsprite | Guerin: er... which mode do I need if I'm turning this box into a wireless gateway? |
| 21:11.42 | Guerin | twobitsprite: various people alaim it is available through some hackery, i'm not sure if it's hostap or what |
| 21:12.12 | twobitsprite | Guerin: the wireless networks howto doesn't seem to cover this... |
| 21:12.28 | amphi | twobitsprite: ad-hoc or master |
| 21:13.28 | twobitsprite | amphi: and ad-hoc will work fine? |
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| 21:14.29 | Thug-N-Me | removing a package does apt take care to remove all hes depends that came with ? |
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| 21:14.49 | Ulixes | can you help me in configuring my tv card please? |
| 21:14.50 | amphi | twobitsprite: yup - I'm ad-hoc'd behind another laptop ATM |
| 21:15.03 | twobitsprite | cool |
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| 21:15.28 | Ulixes | it works with ubuntu but doesn't with debian |
| 21:15.34 | amphi | twobitsprite: just set up NAT and default gw as normal once they're associated |
| 21:15.54 | twobitsprite | amphi: k |
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| 21:16.13 | Ulixes | amphi can you help me? |
| 21:16.20 | amphi | Ulixes: no |
| 21:16.26 | Ulixes | ok thz |
| 21:17.45 | h3sp4wn | Miesco: What soundcard ? the hardware mixing and monitoring that is supported by ice17?? is not the same as the type of hardware mixing supported by creative cards |
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| 21:20.38 | jeffto | hello everybody |
| 21:21.59 | jeffto | somebody hava installed an optical disk drive fujitsu on debian? |
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| 21:23.37 | n3kl | Hi. I need to setup a bunch of shares on my debian network. What is todays standard for sharing data on linux? are there new ways to share that I am not aware of? |
| 21:24.02 | mfrisch | n3kl: there are many choices depending on the situation |
| 21:24.04 | Guerin | n3kl: nfs is still your only real no-work option |
| 21:24.08 | n3kl | I have used shfs, nfs, smbfs, iscsi in the past, but all of those have permission issue |
| 21:24.14 | solemnwarning | !nfs |
| 21:24.14 | dpkg | [nfs] Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about 'ssh tunneled nfs'. |
| 21:24.19 | Guerin | yeah, everything has permission issues |
| 21:24.23 | Guerin | that's just how life is |
| 21:24.24 | twobitsprite | hmm... none of the iwlist commands seem to work with my card, I'm worried that the card/driver isn't working properly... |
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| 21:24.57 | n3kl | twobitsprite: is it up? |
| 21:25.00 | Guerin | twobitsprite: iwconfig. does it show any wireless? |
| 21:25.13 | twobitsprite | Guerin: I see eth1 |
| 21:25.17 | n3kl | Guerin: do you know of any other ones to investigate other than the ones that I mentioned |
| 21:25.26 | twobitsprite | Guerin: says bitrate is !Mb/s |
| 21:25.30 | n3kl | twobitsprite: I think you have to be in monitor mode for that too |
| 21:25.30 | twobitsprite | er, 1Mb/s |
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| 21:25.33 | CmdrChalupa | twobitsprite: what card? |
| 21:25.35 | Guerin | n3kl: afs, but you have to love kerberos long-time |
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| 21:25.42 | twobitsprite | CmdrChalupa: Ralink2500 |
| 21:25.48 | Guerin | twobitsprite: just ignore that for now |
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| 21:26.09 | Guerin | twobitsprite: iwconfig up ip.add.re.ss |
| 21:26.15 | Guerin | twobitsprite: iwconfig mode monitor |
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| 21:26.23 | Guerin | twobitsprite: iwlist scan |
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| 21:26.42 | Goran_ | i used a distro that used apt and it could install software from it's cds using synaptic (without internet connection) |
| 21:26.43 | n3kl | what is the best way to get connected to a wep/wpa network? |
| 21:26.48 | Goran_ | can debian do it? |
| 21:26.48 | n3kl | tools or commands? |
| 21:26.51 | Guerin | Goran_: sounds like debian |
| 21:26.56 | twobitsprite | Guerin: "unrecognized wireless request" |
| 21:27.03 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Modes.gz |
| 21:27.09 | Guerin | n3kl: depoends on the network. |
| 21:27.12 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: ah |
| 21:27.15 | amphi | twobitsprite: iwlist <iface> scan does not need the card in monitor mode |
| 21:27.24 | Ebbs | Hi. After linux (debian/etch) startup xgl does not work. After stopping gdm and starting it again xgl works fine, but why? |
| 21:27.35 | Guerin | amphi: often does nothing without it, though |
| 21:27.38 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: tells you the syntax for /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:27.44 | Guerin | twobitsprite: which command yields that result? |
| 21:27.46 | Goran_ | i don't like downloading a whole rd dvd and then if i install additional software i need interney |
| 21:27.49 | amphi | Guerin: always has for me |
| 21:27.55 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: thats nice. thanks |
| 21:27.55 | Guerin | amphi: mm. |
| 21:28.00 | twobitsprite | Guerin: all of them... "iwconfig eth1 up 192.168.0.1" |
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| 21:28.12 | amphi | twobitsprite: you use ifconfig for that |
| 21:28.15 | Guerin | twobitsprite: oh, duh, that should be ifconfig |
| 21:28.19 | Guerin | sorry |
| 21:28.19 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.29 | amphi | twobitsprite: iwconfig is for the link layer, ie. associating |
| 21:28.29 | Guerin | iwconfig is only for explicitly wireless things |
| 21:28.32 | Guerin | yeah |
| 21:29.57 | Ebbs | Why Xgl works then? |
| 21:29.58 | justin | Goran_: your asking if debian can do something that debian originally implemented? |
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| 21:30.05 | justin | you're too |
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| 21:30.49 | n3kl | Ebbs: is xgl better than beryl? |
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| 21:31.11 | zinx | n3kl: you just made a funny |
| 21:31.22 | n3kl | zinx: are they the same thing? |
| 21:31.36 | zinx | n3kl: they aren't anywhere near the same thing. |
| 21:31.48 | Ebbs | n3kl, xgl is the "improved X". Its not a window manager! |
| 21:31.59 | zinx | n3kl: in fact, beryl requires either xgl or aiglx (in debian, aiglx is greatly preferred - debian does not even package xgl) |
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| 21:32.29 | n3kl | zinx: I don't see aiglx packagedeither |
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| 21:32.42 | amphi | n3kl: xgl is an xserver, I believe, aiglx is in xorg |
| 21:32.43 | n3kl | Ebbs: what sort of improvements? got a link? |
| 21:32.44 | zinx | n3kl: that's because X.org comes with AIGLX support. it's not a separate package or X server. |
| 21:32.56 | n3kl | zinx: ag |
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| 21:33.10 | zinx | n3kl: AIGLX is an extension, Xgl is a completely new X server that runs on top of another X server |
| 21:33.19 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: Its in etch already - or if you use the nvidia-glx in experimental you get equivalent functionality |
| 21:33.23 | n3kl | zinx: is it worth checking out |
| 21:33.30 | zinx | n3kl: not IMHO |
| 21:33.36 | ChrisGo | whoa did somethign change? apt-build ssh doesnt work anymore same woth build-essential |
| 21:33.40 | Ebbs | n3kl, its a cool thing: http://forum.cinefacts.de/archive/index.php/t-168859.html |
| 21:33.45 | zinx | n3kl: but a lot of people seem to like a non-functional desktop as long as it looks pretty |
| 21:33.46 | ChrisGo | apt-get install * |
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| 21:33.58 | Ebbs | n3kl, http://forum.cinefacts.de/showthread.php?t=168859 |
| 21:34.08 | ChrisGo | did the catalogs change in past 2 hours? |
| 21:34.17 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: I am running nvidia-glx in etch |
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| 21:34.41 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: did you install the nvidia-glx from etch or experimental ? |
| 21:34.56 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: etch |
| 21:35.14 | Ebbs | n3kl, take the second link, its with pics |
| 21:35.17 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: you mean sid by experimental? |
| 21:36.12 | ChrisGo | what does [security] mean by the package? |
| 21:36.13 | n3kl | Ebbs: yeah, they are installing beryl in there |
| 21:36.13 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: I mean experimental that is where the 9xxx series of nvidia drivers is |
| 21:36.13 | grummund | apt-get barfs with "fork failed: Cannot allocate memory" when unpacking strace, what's the way to install strace using the least memory? |
| 21:36.24 | ChrisGo | come on hooka bro up this morning I did a apt-get install ssh and now it says it cant find it |
| 21:36.29 | dondelelcaro | grummund: don't use apt-get, just get the package, and dpkg -i it. |
| 21:36.39 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: is there a way to tell what nvidia driver I am running? |
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| 21:36.51 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: or how to get the experimental? |
| 21:36.52 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version |
| 21:36.52 | yolkaplexus | is there a way to save / load the channel openned b xchat ? |
| 21:37.12 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: 1.0-8776, I think thats old |
| 21:37.16 | Ebbs | n3kl, you meant the improvements of xgl? I thought you didnt know yet, what Beryl is... |
| 21:37.32 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: deb-src http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian experimental non-free |
| 21:37.37 | grummund | dondelelcaro: thanks. will apt-get tell the url? |
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| 21:38.12 | dondelelcaro | grummund: if you've already gotten to the unpackaging step, you've got the package. Just dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/foopackagename.deb |
| 21:38.22 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: that will not mess with my etch sources, yeah? |
| 21:38.23 | ChrisGo | what do you use wget then to download and dpkg -i? |
| 21:38.24 | grummund | dondelelcaro: ah yes. ok |
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| 21:38.47 | checkbutton | mist |
| 21:38.48 | checkbutton | hello |
| 21:38.54 | ChrisGo | what is the replacement for apt-get install build-essential? |
| 21:38.56 | checkbutton | does anyone know GyrosGeier? |
| 21:39.03 | dondelelcaro | ChrisGo: there isn't one. |
| 21:39.13 | dondelelcaro | ChrisGo: yes |
| 21:39.18 | ChrisGo | can you tell me why it worked this morning and now it dont? |
| 21:39.21 | dondelelcaro | s/ChrisGo/checkbutton/] |
| 21:39.22 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: Ebbs so beryl just takes advantage of xgl? |
| 21:39.33 | justin | ChrisGo: what debian release are you using? |
| 21:39.36 | n3kl | I have beryl working, its a little to resource intensive to use on my laptop though |
| 21:39.40 | rahul | ChrisGo: ESP machine broke this morning |
| 21:39.41 | tarzeau | abrotman: do they do also crazy shit like that where you live? http://beranger.org/miscb/vista2007ro.jpg |
| 21:39.45 | checkbutton | dondelelcaro: has he been in here today? |
| 21:39.48 | ChrisGo | just got it with netinstall 5 min ago |
| 21:39.48 | rahul | maybe that's related! |
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| 21:40.18 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: apt-get update; apt-get build-dep nvidia-glx; apt-get -b source nvidia-graphis-drivers -t experimental (won't mess with what you have at all0 |
| 21:40.24 | yolkaplexus | VER |
| 21:40.46 | checkbutton | So, does anybody know GyrosGeiers Email address? |
| 21:40.58 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: its only a source repo and experimental for binary has a default priority of 1 anyway (others have 500) |
| 21:41.00 | Guerin | !htfswk checkbutton |
| 21:41.01 | dpkg | checkbutton: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 21:41.21 | grummund | dondelelcaro: thanks. that worked a treat. Now I have strace to figure why apt-get needs so much memory! ;) |
| 21:41.24 | ChrisGo | how do you get the version of your netinstall? |
| 21:41.25 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: ah, thanks |
| 21:41.31 | checkbutton | because it seems that you know him.... |
| 21:42.01 | Ebbs | n3kl, normally beryl works better with aiglx, but the proprietary driver of ati does not support aiglx, but with xgl. |
| 21:42.04 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: I don't know anything about beryl or use it (but use a later kernel because of acpi / apic issues with my motherboard and the later nvidia works better) |
| 21:42.05 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: What sort of things are better about that driver? Multiport support or what? |
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| 21:42.25 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: ah |
| 21:42.30 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: texture_from_pixmap (so you don't need xgl) |
| 21:43.08 | checkbutton | well, hm... was GyrosGeier in here todaY? |
| 21:43.09 | PDani_ | how can i increase the read-speed from a software-raid1? |
| 21:43.09 | n3kl | so you have to load the extention in xorg.conf |
| 21:43.12 | ChrisGo | is it a security thing is that why packages are not available right now? |
| 21:43.13 | tarzeau | checkbutton: i'm not sure but isn't he in #debian-devel ? |
| 21:43.20 | fireba11 | PDani: ? |
| 21:43.32 | Guerin | !seen GyrosGeier |
| 21:43.33 | dpkg | gyrosgeier <~richter@p54993D86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 29d 8h 49m 26s ago, saying: 'any ideas'. |
| 21:43.45 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: No it just works - (you need to use module-assistant to build the kernel module though first) |
| 21:43.51 | pe3r | !seen lilo |
| 21:43.51 | dpkg | lilo <i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 166d 15h 32m 22s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
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| 21:44.02 | fireba11 | haha |
| 21:44.08 | Guerin | pe3r: that's not in very good taste |
| 21:44.14 | pe3r | ? |
| 21:44.21 | pe3r | i aint mean it like that |
| 21:44.45 | fireba11 | funny the last words were "hi" :-D |
| 21:45.20 | dondelelcaro | checkbutton: I don't know if he was in here, but he's been on this network relatively recently. |
| 21:45.26 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: right, for the driver, sorry I was talking about aiglx |
| 21:45.31 | checkbutton | ok, thanks |
| 21:45.34 | ChrisGo | please soneome tell me whats going on... i just installed this morning netinstall ran apt-get on a few things now I reinstalled to finalize the process and everything has changed? |
| 21:45.36 | PDani_ | fireba11: is it possible to read the one half of the data from one partition, and the other half from the other simultaniously? (the read and the write-speed is almost the same, as i checked, and i suppose, the read-speed should be quicker with a mirror) |
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| 21:45.47 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: If you are using nvidia's driver you don't use aiglx at all |
| 21:45.59 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: aiglx is for free drivers only |
| 21:46.16 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: oh |
| 21:46.22 | sam_uk | does anyone have ideas as to how i can stop gnome application browser loading on startup? I am using XFCE |
| 21:46.22 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: forgive my ignorance |
| 21:46.24 | Heston | Hello. ive got an intel 82546EB gigabit ethernet controller that works with debian etch di rc1 but not with sarge 31r4. When i try to install, dhcp does not function correctly and i am not able to get an ip to install. |
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| 21:46.24 | fireba11 | PDani: yes, but that depends a lot on your setup wich i know nothing about |
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| 21:47.20 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: texture_from_pixmap is what is exported by aiglx though and the new nvidia binary driver impliments that in its own way |
| 21:47.52 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: and it looks better, performs faster? |
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| 21:48.12 | Persilon | Hi |
| 21:48.14 | PDani_ | fireba11: i have two discs, with two partitions on them (4 partitions altogether), and i have a software raid1 on sda2 and sdb2 |
| 21:48.16 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: It does what it does without breaking as many things |
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| 21:48.30 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: ah |
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| 21:48.46 | fireba11 | PDani: what you got as read/write speeds ? |
| 21:49.04 | PDani_ | fireba11: and i can read and write with ~50mb/sec |
| 21:49.25 | svilendotor1 | now after base-config is gone in Etch, what can i use instead of it ? |
| 21:49.33 | dondelelcaro | svilendotor1: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 21:49.36 | Persilon | I really need some help, I can't start my vpn tunnels, debian with freeswan |
| 21:49.51 | Persilon | here are the ipsec.conf: server: http://pastebin.ca/336213, client: http://pastebin.ca/336214 |
| 21:49.57 | n3kl | h3sp4wn: I'll read up now. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl) |
| 21:50.03 | dondelelcaro | checkbutton: if you're looking for his email address, check db.debian.org |
| 21:50.20 | fireba11 | PDani: that's already not bad |
| 21:50.27 | ChrisGo | I guess I have the 3.1r4 version and all of a sudden all packages changed lol |
| 21:50.37 | rahul | lol |
| 21:50.41 | ChrisGo | thats cool and confusing at the same time |
| 21:50.42 | rahul | lerskates. |
| 21:50.51 | ChrisGo | netinstall ftl |
| 21:51.14 | g333k_work | hi, I have cloned my hard disk, then when I turned on for 2nd time the pc with the cloned hard disk the network devices appeared disable, why? |
| 21:51.14 | dondelelcaro | !+info build-essential sarge |
| 21:51.14 | h3sp4wn | n3kl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX#AIGLX_on_NVIDIA_Graphics_Cards |
| 21:51.14 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 21:51.15 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
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| 21:51.16 | dondelelcaro | ChrisGo: if you don't have build-essential, then you either don't have a correct sources.list, or you haven't run apt-get update. |
| 21:51.19 | Thug-N-Me | mplayer has a lot faster few days ago wtf happend :) |
| 21:51.32 | dondelelcaro | (or the mirror you're using is jacked) |
| 21:51.40 | ChrisGo | it must be jacked |
| 21:51.53 | PDani_ | fireba11: i know, but it's strage for me, that the read speed is the same as the write speed... |
| 21:52.06 | ChrisGo | even the install was differant it asked me standard or laptop which it didnt do this morning |
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| 21:52.30 | ChrisGo | used us.fedora :( |
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| 21:52.56 | fireba11 | PDani: how big were the files you tried it with ? |
| 21:53.04 | sorl_ | is there a package for a minimal sarge install ? |
| 21:53.07 | ChrisGo | apt-get install ssh has been changed to openssh-server does that sound jacked? |
| 21:53.07 | PDani_ | fireba11: 1gbyte |
| 21:53.30 | Guerin | sorl_: just unselect all the packages in tasksel and you get about 300MB worth |
| 21:53.43 | PDani_ | fireba11: sync; time (dd ...; sync) |
| 21:53.44 | Guerin | ChrisGo: that sounds like etch |
| 21:53.51 | sorl_ | Guerin, tasksel? |
| 21:54.11 | ChrisGo | ahhh so becasue im on the newest version build-essential will not be available forawhile? |
| 21:54.22 | Guerin | sorl_: the thing which says `choose tasks to install', like `desktop', `print server' etc. |
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| 21:54.42 | sorl_ | Guerin, i just bootstrapped a drive... |
| 21:54.52 | sorl_ | Guerin, so im installing it "manually" |
| 21:55.02 | Guerin | sorl_: oh. then you already have a minimal system :) |
| 21:55.16 | Guerin | sorl_: what's the box for? |
| 21:55.22 | ChrisGo | when you do a net install is there a way to grab the stable version and not etch? |
| 21:55.26 | sorl_ | Guerin, yes but..i thought maybe there is some base package ... |
| 21:55.32 | sorl_ | Guerin, webserver |
| 21:55.42 | fireba11 | PDani: hm ... |
| 21:55.49 | ChrisGo | i have to fall back on fedora this is gay |
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| 21:56.01 | Guerin | sorl_: aptitude install apache2 |
| 21:56.33 | Guerin | sorl_: you might want to add screen, an editor that's not nvi or nano, libapache2-mod-{php,perl,etc} |
| 21:56.35 | sorl_ | Guerin, :) yes of courcem im gonna install everything...but i need to set up a base system first...eh them im gonna switch drive... |
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| 21:56.50 | ofer0 | Guerin, libapache2-mod-perl*2* |
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| 21:56.55 | sorl_ | i love vim :) |
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| 21:56.58 | ofer0 | mod_perl is for apache 1.3 |
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| 21:57.07 | sorl_ | perl sux for web anyway |
| 21:57.12 | ofer0 | sorl_, no. |
| 21:57.18 | sorl_ | hehe, sorry |
| 21:57.22 | Guerin | sorl_: well, base is already installed. It's the minimum whjich will work |
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| 21:57.29 | Guerin | ofer0: yeah, yeah, whatever they're called |
| 21:57.30 | ofer0 | sorl_, ever heard of Catalyst and Mason ? |
| 21:57.44 | sorl_ | Guerin, ok good, cause im gonna need it to work... |
| 21:58.16 | sorl_ | ofer0, frameworks? |
| 21:58.27 | sorl_ | ofer0, i prefer django |
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| 21:58.42 | ofer0 | sorl_, I don't care what do you prefer as long as you don't know the alternatives. |
| 21:59.06 | g333k_work | hi, I have cloned my hard disk, then when I turned on for 2nd time the pc with the cloned hard disk the network devices appeared disable, why? |
| 21:59.39 | sorl_ | ofer0, well i dont consider perl the future for webframeworks... som, but not many will |
| 21:59.59 | sorl_ | perl has fantastic libraries |
| 22:00.10 | ofer0 | sorl_, again, I don't care about your opinion, because you don't know shit about Perl or about web frameworks. |
| 22:00.29 | sorl_ | ofer0, well you seem to know alot about me |
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| 22:00.49 | sorl_ | whay be rude? |
| 22:01.11 | ofer0 | you just asked me whether Mason and Catalyst are frame works, and then you stated that Perl has no future in web frameworks. |
| 22:01.32 | xand | does someone need a hug? |
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| 22:02.12 | sorl_ | ofer0, well, that was not on a personal level... |
| 22:03.28 | ofer0 | sorl_, and I've never said it was. I just want to clearify it for you: Perl is not what you think it is. |
| 22:04.11 | rahul | perl is not what perl thinks it is |
| 22:04.27 | Guerin | ooh, lisp v perl deathmatch! |
| 22:04.32 | Guerin | prace your bets! |
| 22:04.32 | sorl_ | ofer0, What i meant was you do not have to attack me on a personal level, instead discuss what you want to discuss |
| 22:04.35 | rahul | it's got all the visual appeal of chimp toenail clippings in grits |
| 22:04.37 | ofer0 | and making statements without knowing what the fuck you're talking about isn't something we need on the internet. there are enough people that do it well. |
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| 22:04.59 | sorl_ | ofer0, youve got problems, i dont think im here to listen to that either |
| 22:05.01 | ofer0 | sorl_, I'm sorry if you were offended, it wasn't my intention |
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| 22:11.01 | boka | take it easy fellas |
| 22:11.04 | boka | :) |
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| 22:14.46 | dav_ | elo |
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| 22:15.33 | dav_ | i tried to install NX (NoMachine) what was very difficult (many dpenedencies) and his client but now when i run nxserver i have this message |
| 22:15.36 | dav_ | ./nxserver: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/NX/lib/perl/IO.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:15.51 | dav_ | what should i do |
| 22:18.13 | mazzanet | mawning |
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| 22:21.28 | Mark_Iron | Hi ... one qeustion about override.extra files .. MAY I have more tasks in the "task" line for a particular package? (s. beow): |
| 22:21.29 | Mark_Iron | bind9 Tag interface::daemon, network::server, network::service, protocol::{dns,ipv6,ssl}, role::program |
| 22:21.29 | Mark_Iron | bind9 Task dns-server |
| 22:21.31 | Mark_Iron | --- |
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| 22:21.47 | Mark_Iron | e.g |
| 22:21.47 | Mark_Iron | bind9 Tag interface::daemon, network::server, network::service, protocol::{dns,ipv6,ssl}, role::program |
| 22:21.47 | Mark_Iron | bind9 Task dns-server |
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| 22:22.40 | Mark_Iron | *sorry* bind9 Task dns-server ANOTHER-TASK_NAME ??? |
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| 22:24.03 | biopyte | hi. intel recently announced the 'santa rosa' mobile platform for may 2007. it will include new technologies like EFI instead of BIOS and NAND Flash. any idea how smooth debian could install on such a machine? or will it take half a year or so after the platform hasbeen launched? any idea? |
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| 22:26.40 | jelly | biopyte: I'd expect no real trouble, but if etch is released in the meantime one will probably have to use an unofficial installer |
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| 22:27.26 | jelly | biopyte: I think Intel Macs already use EFI, don't they? |
| 22:28.26 | jelly | biopyte: this could be easily solved if Intel sent some of their protoypes to Debian. ;-) |
| 22:28.50 | Guerin | not to debian |
| 22:28.50 | Guerin | to lkml |
| 22:28.50 | biopyte | jelly: yep, mac already does. |
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| 22:29.31 | jelly | Guerin: uh, I bet a kernel dev or two already has their hand on it, I was more thinking of boot managers and d-i |
| 22:30.13 | Guerin | it's all commodity software |
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| 22:30.20 | grummund | what low memory alternatives are there to apt-get (that don't use apt-get beneath) |
| 22:30.23 | cereal-killer | what is that efi you're talking about? |
| 22:30.25 | moprilo | hi everyone.. |
| 22:30.26 | Guerin | grummund: none. |
| 22:30.30 | biopyte | a 965GM with GMA X3000 will give a nice debian notebook. :-) |
| 22:30.35 | Guerin | grummund: libapt is at the core of debian |
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| 22:30.55 | biopyte | cerreal-killer: its a replacement for BIOS |
| 22:31.04 | Guerin | electronig fuel injection! |
| 22:31.27 | biopyte | coming up this year on intel centrino 'santa rosa' |
| 22:31.36 | grummund | i can install packages with dpkg fine, but apt-get barfs on lack of memory (with 57MB free!) |
| 22:31.37 | cereal-killer | oh... and what will be the difference? is there somewhere a report or something i could read? |
| 22:31.45 | Guerin | grummund: mmap? |
| 22:31.51 | cereal-killer | biopyte, and what is that santa rosa? |
| 22:32.08 | moprilo | i was installing XEN on my stable version and got this when doing the 'makeinitramfs' (ç=mdadm: /dev/sde1 does not appear to be an md device). could someone explain me what's that?.. :S |
| 22:32.08 | cereal-killer | i mean what is the inovation to pentium M for example |
| 22:32.10 | Guerin | !fgi cereal-killer santa+rosa+intel |
| 22:32.11 | dpkg | cereal-killer: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=santa+rosa+intel |
| 22:32.13 | grummund | Guerin: sorry, i don't follow |
| 22:32.21 | Guerin | grummund: is it a mmap error? |
| 22:32.39 | biopyte | cereal-killer: its just another version of the intel mobile platform. but probably interesting. cool integrated graphics ... |
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| 22:32.51 | biopyte | ... and EFI |
| 22:32.58 | jelly | biopyte: which you want to replace with X3000 ;-) |
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| 22:33.12 | grummund | Guerin: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
| 22:33.15 | biopyte | i dont care for EFI as long debian installs |
| 22:33.17 | Guerin | wtf |
| 22:33.31 | grummund | Guerin: i have an strace log too, but it's 33k lines long |
| 22:33.34 | jelly | biopyte: or does Intel have an X in the newest graphic chips names :-| |
| 22:33.38 | Guerin | grummund: apt-get will run in as little as 16MB, so it's possibly just in need of a config setting |
| 22:33.59 | biopyte | jelly: yep, thats what i read. |
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| 22:34.07 | biopyte | looks promising |
| 22:34.13 | dav_ | just one thing to say: INSTALL NoMachine NX ! |
| 22:34.29 | biopyte | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/09/27/intel_intros_santa_rosa/ |
| 22:34.39 | jelly | biopyte: It's like "dude, X3000 is SOOO much better than your ATI X1400" |
| 22:34.47 | Deepa | sleep 600 |
| 22:34.47 | Deepa | ./lol |
| 22:34.47 | Deepa | sh update.sh |
| 22:34.49 | Deepa | will that do what i want? |
| 22:34.53 | Deepa | if that is the file called update.sh |
| 22:35.12 | Deepa | i just want it to execute ./lol every now and then |
| 22:35.29 | Guerin | Deepa: #bash |
| 22:35.46 | cereal-killer | i didn't like that santa rosa, when it comes out my laptop will have an "old" processor |
| 22:35.49 | Deepa | i'll run it in a screen then |
| 22:36.02 | cereal-killer | :( |
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| 22:36.23 | biopyte | jelly, it means that you dont depend on the ATI stuff and can use the open intel drivers. and gma X 3000 will probably will give you enough power for some little 3D .-I |
| 22:36.25 | biopyte | :-) |
| 22:36.30 | jelly | cereal-killer: I like new generations, means price drop for the previous ones. |
| 22:36.36 | Guerin | jelly: hehe |
| 22:36.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, i want to add some variables to the global profile is there a profile.d directory i should add this too or where would be the best place to do somthing like this? |
| 22:36.58 | biopyte | jelly: exactly |
| 22:37.06 | cereal-killer | jelly, yeah, if you want to buy a previous generation thing, but if you already have one? |
| 22:37.11 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: put it in the stock bashrc or in /etc/environment |
| 22:37.20 | jelly | cereal-killer: but I don't ;-) |
| 22:37.25 | Guerin | cereal-killer: then you don't need another one! |
| 22:37.43 | cereal-killer | you would prefer to have waited, either to get the new generation, or to buy the same stuff cheaper |
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| 22:38.01 | biopyte | i run a PIII 700 MHz. i'm no hardware freak usually. :) |
| 22:38.19 | evilbulgarian | Guerin: ok thanks. whats the format and how is it updated? can i do "export JRE_HOME=/usr/java" ? |
| 22:38.34 | cereal-killer | biopyte, on a laptop? |
| 22:38.41 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: you want me to wipe your arse as well? GO and read the documentation. |
| 22:38.47 | biopyte | no. i dont have a laptop |
| 22:39.00 | evilbulgarian | Guerin: ok thanks for ur help |
| 22:39.03 | jelly | cereal-killer: I have a 1.4 Celeron M machine, second gen. centrino style. Is very nice but eats battery rather fast and kinda heats up. |
| 22:39.08 | biopyte | but this year i'm going to buy one |
| 22:39.27 | Guerin | i find my centrino has much higher power usage in linux than in windows |
| 22:39.35 | Guerin | like, from 4 -> 2.5 hours |
| 22:39.36 | cereal-killer | jelly, that is probably because it is celeron, it doesnt really speed-step |
| 22:39.44 | biopyte | and this santa rosa stuff might be worth waiting for |
| 22:39.55 | cereal-killer | it speeds steps but the power it consumes is the same as if it worked full |
| 22:40.00 | Guerin | this is with powersaved on, noatime on mounts, `powersave' governor |
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| 22:40.02 | biopyte | no you know the reason why i'M asking :) |
| 22:40.25 | jelly | cereal-killer: yeah, it doesn't do voltage switching. |
| 22:40.28 | biopyte | now |
| 22:40.30 | Mark_Iron | re: question about d-i ... how can I set options for the debian installer (like language, keyboard etc) on the boot-line ? - thank you in advance for any hints ! ;o) |
| 22:40.32 | Guerin | oh, it doesn't? |
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| 22:40.44 | Guerin | Mark_Iron: google debian installer preloading |
| 22:40.48 | cereal-killer | well i have pentium m, and i have configured it to undervolt when on battery |
| 22:40.49 | Heston | the new core duo's are not only power friendly but just perform like a beast....i love mine |
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| 22:41.03 | Guerin | cereal-killer: using the undervolt kernel patchset? |
| 22:41.04 | Mark_Iron | merci Guerin ! :-))) |
| 22:41.18 | cereal-killer | and it is then really cool, quiet (no fan) and the battery holds 3:45 |
| 22:41.20 | jelly | cereal-killer: yeah, that is nice. I'd have probably cashed out for a real Centrino if I'd known that. |
| 22:41.29 | cereal-killer | Guerin, yeah |
| 22:41.39 | Guerin | cereal-killer: is it tricky to build/set up? |
| 22:42.00 | cereal-killer | while on windows when it was new it holded 2:30 hours and now it is 1 year old |
| 22:42.06 | Guerin | and are there standard `known good' voltages out there, or do I ahve to test and check and so on |
| 22:42.19 | cereal-killer | Guerin, no, but i set it up only for the lowest frequency |
| 22:42.24 | cereal-killer | and only when on battery |
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| 22:42.46 | Guerin | that's cool, that's all I'd need |
| 22:42.48 | cereal-killer | Guerin, you have to test for your specific proccessor. |
| 22:42.52 | Guerin | ok |
| 22:43.00 | Guerin | yet another thing to do once i get my paper in |
| 22:43.26 | cereal-killer | you have to apply the patch, lock the frequency locked at the lowest... and run a cpu-stress tool |
| 22:43.31 | cereal-killer | for example mprime |
| 22:43.44 | cereal-killer | and then have a script that lowers the voltage every minute |
| 22:43.54 | cereal-killer | and prints on the screen the current one |
| 22:43.56 | Guerin | until it freaks out |
| 22:44.12 | cereal-killer | yeah, and when it crashes (didnt happen here |
| 22:44.31 | cereal-killer | because the hardware limit is 700mV and it kept through till 700) |
| 22:44.33 | cereal-killer | :D |
| 22:44.36 | Guerin | cool |
| 22:44.38 | xand | Hello. |
| 22:44.57 | cereal-killer | you have to run the test for some hours at that voltage and frequency to be sure that it doesnt fail |
| 22:44.59 | cereal-killer | etc... |
| 22:45.05 | cereal-killer | was interesting to do it |
| 22:45.15 | cereal-killer | :D |
| 22:46.06 | Alptraum- | i installed awstats and i'm trying to reach it from the browser. i made a scriptalias for /cgi-bin to /usr/lib/cgi-bin and set the directory and the containing awstats.pl file to root:root with chmod g+rx o+rx |
| 22:46.07 | debfanman | cereal-killer: thank god techies dont have to perform that operation on the mass majority of computers out there just to tweak em on a PC checkup visit |
| 22:46.23 | Alptraum- | now i'm getting a forbidden in my browser and in the apache error log: client denied by server configuration: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl |
| 22:46.35 | Guerin | Alptraum-: #apache |
| 22:46.45 | Alptraum- | k sry... |
| 22:47.01 | cereal-killer | debfanman, well yes i did it only to gain another 15mins battery and have less temperature |
| 22:47.08 | stew | Alptraum-: did you read /usr/share/doc/awstats? |
| 22:47.31 | Alptraum- | stew i didnt found anything in the README.debian |
| 22:47.32 | cereal-killer | it drops to 38 celsius while undervolted, and normally it is 49-50 |
| 22:47.33 | debfanman | cereal-killer: too bad it wasnt more automated :/ |
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| 22:47.54 | Guerin | yeah, it does seem like a trivial thing to script |
| 22:48.01 | cereal-killer | well yeah, i think intel could do it too... |
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| 22:48.27 | debfanman | ya, seems similar to windows mobo utils out there |
| 22:48.34 | cereal-killer | but they had to ship different voltage chips then... |
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| 22:48.50 | debfanman | or am I thinking vid cards. either way, im sure you could script it to an extent |
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| 22:49.07 | cereal-killer | because they are not all the same, so i suppose they just select the bigger voltage that works for all |
| 22:49.14 | robin_sz | so, is there a simple way to see what serial ports I have hanging onto this machine? |
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| 22:49.44 | debfanman | robin_sz: check dmesg? or bios? |
| 22:50.02 | Kai | Whats a good site, preferrably forum, to get help on webcam driver finding, installing, and use? |
| 22:50.09 | Kai | for debian of course |
| 22:50.10 | shpond | I'll find out |
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| 22:50.27 | robin_sz | well, checking the biois is out ... and anyway, that would not know about ports on PCI modem cards for example |
| 22:50.29 | stew | robin_sz: dmidecode should tell you |
| 22:50.36 | robin_sz | dmidecode? |
| 22:50.40 | robin_sz | ok, looking |
| 22:50.46 | debfanman | robin_sz: true |
| 22:51.21 | robin_sz | I know htere are two physical ports, and theres at least on intel-style modem |
| 22:51.24 | stew | robin_sz: i don't know if that would pick up serial ports on a modem card. it should pick up serial ports on your motherboard |
| 22:51.32 | robin_sz | hmmm |
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| 22:52.26 | robin_sz | im just trying to figure out where the kernel thinks the ports on the back of the pc are, I think it thinks the modem is /dev/ttyS0 |
| 22:52.30 | debfanman | robin_sz: perhaps check proc's ioports and devices files for hints? |
| 22:53.08 | debfanman | robin_sz: to see what serial ports are, try dmesg to see what linux put them at during boot up? *shrug* |
| 22:53.55 | robin_sz | yeah, |
| 22:54.02 | robin_sz | | grep tty did it |
| 22:54.11 | debfanman | robin_sz: i know my dmesg tells me where ttyS0 and S1 were assigned to.... |
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| 22:54.19 | frop | hallo |
| 22:54.33 | frop | can someone tell me the "default" mysql unix-socket path? |
| 22:54.42 | robin_sz | the modem seems to be on ttySHSF0 |
| 22:54.43 | frop | in /tmp/mysql.sock with Debian? |
| 22:54.56 | robin_sz | frop, look in /etc/mysql/my.conf |
| 22:54.59 | dav_ | i have a question, i was looking at the NX authentication schemes and i find something strange, it seems that NX use always the samekey for authentication and that key is the same for everybody because the key is given by default withthe soft |
| 22:55.00 | debfanman | frop: netstat any help to ya? |
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| 22:55.01 | stew | robin_sz: perhaps the setserial package could help? |
| 22:55.05 | frop | ehhe |
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| 22:55.10 | frop | i'm using freebsd |
| 22:55.11 | frop | :P |
| 22:55.23 | robin_sz | well, off to #freebsd with you |
| 22:55.30 | frop | i'd like to know where the default debian package put it |
| 22:55.31 | debfanman | frop: and your asking in here because? .... |
| 22:55.54 | frop | debfanman cause we are working on a project that should run everywhere |
| 22:55.57 | dav_ | dav_: that mean that logging is impossible (not sure) but firewall bypassing is possible with port forwarding |
| 22:56.05 | stew | frop: /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock for debian |
| 22:56.12 | frop | stew thanks alot |
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| 22:56.33 | frop | :) |
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| 22:56.39 | frop | cu boys, and thanks again |
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| 22:56.47 | robin_sz | have a nice one :) |
| 22:56.56 | stew | poor pony |
| 22:57.04 | debfanman | bsd boys keeping everyone on their toes i guess :) |
| 22:57.36 | debfanman | no idea how that answer would apply to a bsd user though |
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| 22:59.00 | Varange | hi all. For the BASH experts: how do I extract the tenth line from a text file? |
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| 23:00.15 | stew | Varange: sed -n '10{p;q}' < file |
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| 23:00.24 | Varange | stew, you're a hero |
| 23:00.29 | stew | \*/ |
| 23:00.47 | petemc | sed -n '52p' , no? |
| 23:01.07 | petemc | 52? |
| 23:01.09 | debfanman | more of a sed hero imho |
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| 23:01.55 | stew | petemc: yeah 'sed -n 10p < file' works also, but it will keep reading until the end of the file even after the 10th line, i think |
| 23:02.15 | petemc | stew: ah, q stops? |
| 23:02.18 | petemc | cool |
| 23:02.23 | cydork | so should this sed '10!d' :P |
| 23:02.24 | stew | petemc: yeah, "quit" |
| 23:02.37 | petemc | makes sense.. |
| 23:03.45 | karsten | $ make sense |
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| 23:04.00 | karsten | make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop. |
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| 23:04.20 | Guerin | make common sense? |
| 23:04.34 | rahul | make: *** No rule to make target `common'. Stop. |
| 23:04.42 | rahul | Guerin: you suck |
| 23:04.47 | Guerin | rahul: you lose |
| 23:04.58 | jsan | hi ! . I have a pptpd server but if my personal computer shutdown becouse the ligth my ip is going to be up im my server. so i dont conect again. is possible configure my pptpdserver to close my ip if my personal computer going to be down ? |
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| 23:05.10 | rahul | no, I win |
| 23:05.20 | fantomas | Hi. I can't get NVidia 7600GT working with Xorg (etch). I've installed xserver-xorg-video-nv but it lacks 'nvidia' module. Where to get it? |
| 23:05.20 | rahul | \o/ |
| 23:05.28 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 23:05.29 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 23:05.41 | Keith_S | guys im setting up a postfix secondary mx server (backup mx) and I am wondering if I can feed "relay_domains =" a file e.g relay_domains = /etc/postfix/relay_domains |
| 23:05.42 | rahul | and later tonight, \m/O\m/ |
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| 23:06.04 | fantomas | karsten: thanks |
| 23:06.21 | Keith_S | hi karsten |
| 23:06.25 | karsten | fantomas: Watch out, you might get what you're after. |
| 23:06.50 | anapivirtua | Nighty all. |
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| 23:09.15 | Guerin | Keith_S: #postfix should know |
| 23:09.39 | Keith_S | Guerin: iv already asked in there :D |
| 23:09.43 | jsan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.57 | karsten | jsan: "ligth"? |
| 23:10.12 | karsten | jsan: ... and/or what's your native language? |
| 23:10.13 | Keith_S | jsan: that made no sence to me at all. |
| 23:10.16 | Guerin | Keith_S: you might need hash:/foo or something |
| 23:10.25 | jsan | portuguese |
| 23:10.26 | Miesco | To use usenet do I have to get a login from my ISP? |
| 23:10.28 | Keith_S | Guerin: Yeah i did think that. |
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| 23:10.41 | petemc | Miesco: depends |
| 23:10.45 | jsan | rssr |
| 23:10.48 | karsten | !br |
| 23:10.49 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 23:11.03 | Keith_S | Miesco: if your isp supports usenet, or you could go sign with giganews or use a free one. |
| 23:11.08 | Guerin | Keith_S: the best way to know is to try |
| 23:11.10 | karsten | jsan: ^^ |
| 23:11.34 | jsan | karthen sorry i dont speak portugue very well |
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| 23:11.48 | Ronin | !es |
| 23:11.49 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:11.50 | jsan | i am studing english |
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| 23:11.53 | karsten | jsan: Um, what language *do* you speak? |
| 23:12.04 | jsan | portuguese |
| 23:12.10 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:12.15 | jsan | english i am a student |
| 23:12.35 | Keith_S | lol. |
| 23:12.38 | karsten | jsan: /join #debian-br We can't understand you. |
| 23:12.44 | jsan | ok |
| 23:12.44 | jsan | thanks |
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| 23:13.05 | Miesco | Keith_S: A free one? |
| 23:13.12 | Keith_S | seems he can understand us... |
| 23:13.14 | Miesco | Keith_S: Will that not be usenet? |
| 23:13.21 | Keith_S | Miesco: yrs but shit retention |
| 23:13.24 | Keith_S | yes* |
| 23:13.35 | Keith_S | Miesco: wat do you want to use it for? |
| 23:13.53 | Miesco | Keith_S: No anything binary |
| 23:13.55 | Miesco | Keith_S: not* |
| 23:13.56 | Keith_S | i see. |
| 23:14.05 | Keith_S | free one will most likely surfice. |
| 23:14.27 | Miesco | Keith_S: I think my ISP supports it but its fucking sympatico and they are fuck heads |
| 23:14.53 | Keith_S | lol Miesco where are you to? |
| 23:14.55 | karsten | Miesco: Maybe supernews? |
| 23:14.55 | Keith_S | US? |
| 23:15.05 | Miesco | Canada |
| 23:15.14 | karsten | Miesco: ... as Keith_S said ;-) |
| 23:16.17 | dav_ | what it is possible to do umount a samba because each time ut get blocked |
| 23:16.35 | Miesco | Whats a window manager with no stupid pointless features |
| 23:16.45 | Miesco | How do you get pypanel to run? |
| 23:16.48 | dondelelcaro | Miesco: ion3? |
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| 23:16.59 | streuner | Miesco: fluxbox |
| 23:17.06 | jubuntu | hi, how do i use vixie-cron's crontab non-interactively? |
| 23:17.24 | fantomas | karsten: hell, the only reason why I failed with installation if nvidia driver is backwarded title of the package: nvidia-glx - NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver ---> no Xorg it its name. |
| 23:17.24 | streuner | Miesco: in xsession |
| 23:17.24 | dondelelcaro | jubuntu: crontab foofile |
| 23:17.36 | jubuntu | dondelelcaro: sorry, without a file either? |
| 23:17.36 | karsten | jubuntu: man crontab. Last argument is taken as a file. '-' for stdin. |
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| 23:18.03 | karsten | fantomas: So that package works? NFC here, I don't do nvidia. |
| 23:18.06 | jubuntu | karsten: i'll try that, thanks |
| 23:18.18 | jubuntu | karsten: thank you :) |
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| 23:18.22 | Miesco | dondelelcaro: streuner in xsession? |
| 23:18.26 | streuner | Miesco: aren't you the one who wants openbox to run? |
| 23:18.32 | Miesco | that was for streuner |
| 23:18.39 | Miesco | streuner: Yea |
| 23:18.42 | MatBoy | cydork, :D |
| 23:18.45 | fantomas | karsten: I guess yes. In apt-cache show info this package called for Xorg too |
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| 23:18.49 | Miesco | streuner: Oh I see, in xsession, okay |
| 23:18.52 | Miesco | streuner: I'll try |
| 23:19.02 | streuner | Miesco: well, pypanel isn't bad, but there are others as well, just run apt-cache search panel or such |
| 23:19.09 | dondelelcaro | (but then again, it has the same problems with crontab foofile) |
| 23:19.14 | cydork | MatBoy: hey :) |
| 23:19.23 | karsten | fantomas: You win. |
| 23:19.25 | MatBoy | cyberdo, man, long time ago.. how are you ? |
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| 23:19.47 | Miesco | streuner: So just be like: pypanel &; exec evilwm |
| 23:19.49 | fantomas | karsten: yep. But thanks again for howto, it rocks. |
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| 23:20.08 | karsten | fantomas: NP. |
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| 23:21.06 | Miesco | streuner: Can you run pypanel while your using the wm? |
| 23:21.19 | streuner | Miesco: sure, just start it as 'user' |
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| 23:22.22 | Miesco | streuner: Okay im not using pypanel, I get errors when I run it, I got like fbpanel, fspanel, and perlpanel |
| 23:22.39 | streuner | sure, there are many good ones |
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| 23:26.01 | streuner | Miesco: there is also gnome-panel, you can run gnome-panel as well in any WM |
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| 23:30.20 | Keith_S | some shit is trying to break into my box. |
| 23:30.21 | miller[] | how can I update the os to etch? |
| 23:30.29 | Guerin | Keith_S: over ssh? |
| 23:30.40 | Guerin | miller[]: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 23:30.46 | miller[] | thanks |
| 23:30.58 | Keith_S | Guerin: yeah |
| 23:31.02 | cydork | Keith_S: install denyhosts |
| 23:31.14 | multi_io | Keith_S: happens several times a day here |
| 23:31.14 | Guerin | Keith_S: look into fail2ban, or just run your sshd on an arbitrary port |
| 23:31.17 | Keith_S | its a new VM i just installed logcheck got first email. |
| 23:31.19 | cydork | Keith_S: there is fail2ban too .. |
| 23:31.25 | Guerin | it happens several times a minute for some of my hosts |
| 23:31.48 | Miesco | Guerin: How do I run a program in evilwm? |
| 23:32.01 | Guerin | Miesco: program& |
| 23:32.07 | Keith_S | ill look into those options guys cheers. |
| 23:32.15 | Miesco | Guerin: Okay |
| 23:32.37 | Keith_S | running it on a high port might help i guess. |
| 23:32.53 | miller[] | are you sure going from 'stable' to 'etch' is a good thing? |
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| 23:33.20 | Guerin | miller[]: no. |
| 23:33.53 | miller[] | I think the os is even woody.. but some apt-gets had the word sarge in it. Maybe it's all mixed up |
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| 23:34.15 | daedalus_ | I'm in a bit of a pickle. My colo just brought up a machine for me, and it's running stable. I want to run AMD64, there's no second partition to do it on, and I don't have console access (just remote ssh, etc) |
| 23:34.24 | miller[] | any idea if I should stable->etch? |
| 23:34.31 | daedalus_ | Any bright ideas? |
| 23:34.34 | Guerin | miller[]: 1. uninstall all non-essential stuff |
| 23:34.45 | Guerin | miller[]: 2. upgrade to latest sarge |
| 23:34.55 | Guerin | miller[]: 3. if that works, upgrade to latest etch |
| 23:35.08 | Guerin | miller[]: 4. reinstall all the stuff you had before |
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| 23:35.34 | streuner | miller[]: and read the *FINE* Release NOTES :-) |
| 23:35.36 | helo | daedalus_: you need the amd64 for some specific reason? |
| 23:36.04 | miller[] | thanks |
| 23:36.25 | daedalus_ | helo: I'm looking to get the performance boost. |
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| 23:37.42 | streuner | miller[]: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ |
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| 23:39.47 | helo | daedalus_: hmm... i've never noticed any difference |
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| 23:40.04 | helo | i run i686 instead of x86_64 for the better video codec support |
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| 23:41.14 | streuner | Guerin: there was somebody who did much work, do you want make those people unemployed ;-) |
| 23:41.25 | daedalus_ | helo: we run a 'small' co-op server w/mail,web,etc. the 64-bit will give us double the speed on things like strcmp, etc. |
| 23:41.28 | helo | is amd64 faster because it manages to do two 32-bit ops at once? |
| 23:41.29 | jdavis | Does debian change kernels in the testing distribution? Will it be a long time before they release a kernel with KVM? |
| 23:41.50 | Guerin | helo: no. |
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| 23:42.00 | helo | because i don't see how double-sized registers would actually give you anything but extra precision |
| 23:42.09 | Guerin | jdavis: yes, kernels change. It might be a few months before .20 is in testing, though |
| 23:42.18 | dondelelcaro | helo: it's faster in some cases just because the ia32 instruction set sucks so badly. |
| 23:42.24 | jdavis | Guerin: ok, well, that isn't too bad. |
| 23:42.25 | streuner | Guerin: there is ONE big issue..., "What's better to use a new kernel before or after the upgrade" |
| 23:42.27 | dondelelcaro | normally 64 bit archs should be slower. |
| 23:43.04 | dondelelcaro | (unless you actually need to address more than 4G of memory, anyway) |
| 23:43.04 | helo | more cache misses? |
| 23:43.04 | Guerin | streuner: yeah. |
| 23:43.09 | streuner | Guerin: i would not touch the kernel before, IMHO |
| 23:43.12 | Guerin | multi_io: only because fuckwits like openoffic keep breaking it |
| 23:43.13 | jdavis | Guerin: is it pretty easy to install Xen VMX on debian amd64 so I can boot a 32 bit OS? |
| 23:43.19 | Guerin | jdavis: no idea. |
| 23:43.42 | craigevil | how is copy+paste broken? |
| 23:43.56 | Guerin | craigevil: there are several different kinds which don't talk to each other |
| 23:44.37 | Guerin | craigevil: tag+middle click is different from the `copy' context menu in most apps, which is different again from ^k/^y |
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| 23:44.56 | craigevil | hm never noticed, but then again I use kde and klipper |
| 23:45.02 | Guerin | and then there's the fact that some programs (oo.o) don't even support the most elemental, which is tag+middle |
| 23:45.10 | daedalus_ | helo: certain libc functions have been implemented using assembly etc. So instead of doing 2 32-bit compares it can do just 1 64-bit compare. |
| 23:45.31 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: and worse, programs like firefox which only notice that something is in the X buffer when it's still selected. |
| 23:45.38 | Guerin | right |
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| 23:45.42 | Guerin | madness |
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| 23:46.50 | Guerin | i don't think ff does that |
| 23:46.51 | Guerin | i thgink oo.o does, though |
| 23:46.51 | daedalus_ | helo: that obviously only holds if you were looking at doing a 64-bit compare in the first place, but it's a definite savings if you're doing string matching |
| 23:46.53 | dondelelcaro | ff does (or at least did); try selecting something, then deselecting it, then pasting it. |
| 23:47.01 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: seems to work normally in iceweasel, sid |
| 23:47.13 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: in a terminal? |
| 23:47.21 | helo | daedalus_: hmm, i see :) |
| 23:47.24 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: not from firefox to firefox, but from a terminal to firefox |
| 23:47.29 | dondelelcaro | (or something else to firefox) |
| 23:47.51 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yep. and the reverse. |
| 23:48.23 | helo | daedalus_: well i was hoping i could convince you to just stick with 32-bit, because i can't think of any way to do what you ask... |
| 23:48.23 | dondelelcaro | hrm; doesn't work with xterm |
| 23:48.23 | Guerin | oh, i use rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 23:48.25 | dondelelcaro | yeah, it probably doesn't indicate that it's been deselected |
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| 23:48.44 | Guerin | heh, a collateral benefit of a `minimalist' terminal |
| 23:48.45 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 23:48.50 | helo | daedalus_: you basically want to do a re-install remotely over ssh, with no secondary medium to install to? |
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| 23:49.03 | Reiser_X | stoned: Hi |
| 23:49.44 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: rxvt-unicode-ml isn't very minimalistic... |
| 23:50.02 | Guerin | no, but it's based on one which was |
| 23:50.02 | Reiser_X | i need to know how to configurea mail server, one for internal mail only, no internet |
| 23:50.07 | Guerin | many moons ago |
| 23:50.21 | Guerin | Reiser_X: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 23:50.57 | Reiser_X | Guerin: but what exactly make exim4 ? |
| 23:51.05 | Guerin | Reiser_X: ? |
| 23:51.21 | Guerin | Reiser_X: exim4 is written in C, by people who rpogram computers, ttbomk. |
| 23:51.35 | Guerin | not by scientologist space aliens like qmail |
| 23:51.36 | Reiser_X | ok, but is a mail server? |
| 23:51.41 | Guerin | Reiser_X: yes. |
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| 23:52.10 | azeem | whoa, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SebastianHeinlein?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=webboard-demo.gif is cool as pastebin app |
| 23:52.28 | streuner | did you read the /topic, azeem |
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| 23:52.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:52.59 | azeem | streuner: no, what's new? |
| 23:53.01 | maddash | lol |
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| 23:53.31 | helo | man, Coding Buddy is a quick study! |
| 23:54.09 | streuner | azeem: nothing new, the old same way... |
| 23:54.18 | azeem | streuner: so what's the problem? |
| 23:54.22 | helo | lol |
| 23:54.33 | maddash | ugh ubuntu/gnome |
| 23:55.07 | streuner | azeem: ubuntu is OT, you should know that as OP :-) |
| 23:55.35 | azeem | streuner: how is that connected to Ubuntu? |
| 23:55.37 | Reiser_X | Guerin: exim4 "designed to work efficiently on systems that are permanently connected to the Internet " |
| 23:55.54 | Reiser_X | but, can work in a network with no internet conection ? |
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| 23:56.25 | Guerin | Reiser_X: works fine, as long as there is SOME network for it to bind to. |
| 23:56.51 | Guerin | streuner just has *ubuntu* set to highlight |
| 23:57.02 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 23:57.05 | maddash | no beryl 4 me :( |
| 23:57.15 | h3xis | no beryl 4 u |
| 23:57.25 | streuner | !beryl |
| 23:57.26 | Reiser_X | Guerin: administer quotas too? |
| 23:57.26 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages are NOW in debian (unstable.sid) ... maybe |
| 23:57.51 | Guerin | Reiser_X: why would it work any different than on the interwebs? It's all tcp/ip. |
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| 23:58.22 | maddash | h3xis: :P |
| 23:58.30 | h3xis | maddash \:D/ |
