| 00:00.05 | stoned | abrotman: I'll let you know when I do |
| 00:00.11 | concept10 | stoned, havent tried yet, but it shouldnt |
| 00:00.28 | abrotman | heh |
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| 00:01.36 | concept10 | stoned, I have it figured out for you man |
| 00:01.43 | stoned | recording? |
| 00:01.45 | eldowan | I've got a problem with sftp in gnome and kde, using both konqueror and nautilus. when I exit the sftp session a ssh process is left behind, which caches the credentials until I manually kill it, or log out of the session. I don't know what to do. I've upgraded ssh and killed ssh-agent. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:01.49 | stoned | concept10: cleared out what |
| 00:01.50 | concept10 | yes |
| 00:01.53 | stoned | er.. figured |
| 00:01.55 | stoned | oh sweet |
| 00:02.01 | stoned | join ##recording |
| 00:02.38 | concept10 | stoned, Your soundcard > JACK > Proper metering > other effects > Recording app |
| 00:02.49 | stoned | jack? |
| 00:02.51 | stoned | as in jackd |
| 00:03.02 | stoned | or wait, what? |
| 00:03.06 | abrotman | jack and jackd are different things |
| 00:03.16 | stoned | jack is sound server innit? |
| 00:03.22 | concept10 | yes |
| 00:03.31 | stoned | ahh |
| 00:03.36 | stoned | ok so I run jack on my sound card |
| 00:03.40 | concept10 | I also found a better program for you to record with |
| 00:03.41 | stoned | and proper metering |
| 00:03.43 | stoned | what is that? |
| 00:03.48 | concept10 | gimme a sec |
| 00:03.49 | stoned | input singla monitor/ |
| 00:03.53 | stoned | ? |
| 00:03.57 | stoned | signal* |
| 00:04.00 | stoned | ok |
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| 00:04.16 | stoned | this is OT btw, so just let me know in ##recording or something |
| 00:04.25 | eldowan | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:04.26 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 00:04.45 | stoned | well.. when you ma ai nvidia |
| 00:04.54 | stoned | it automatically prompts you to download the packages |
| 00:04.57 | concept10 | stoned, http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotew3.png |
| 00:05.02 | stoned | the only one you have to yourself is nvidia-glx |
| 00:05.04 | stoned | for the TLS links |
| 00:05.06 | stoned | thats all |
| 00:05.07 | stoned | afaik |
| 00:05.11 | concept10 | oh, sorry, recording |
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| 00:05.14 | stoned | factoid could be confusing to people |
| 00:05.24 | stoned | nm |
| 00:05.27 | stoned | concept10: ok |
| 00:06.23 | eldowan | can two machines be on the same screen session? i.e using screen -r or something similar? |
| 00:06.32 | stoned | eldowan: sure |
| 00:06.41 | stoned | screen, then ssh to a diff machine |
| 00:06.54 | Caelum | is there a gnome panel applet to control xmms and display the title? |
| 00:06.55 | stoned | screen is wicked |
| 00:07.01 | Caelum | screen rocks |
| 00:07.20 | eldowan | stoned: so I can have a session up at work, and use it while you login and use the window I'm currently in? |
| 00:07.27 | stoned | eldowan: indeed |
| 00:07.34 | concept10 | stoned, that meter shows before EQ, after EQ, and then the capture level |
| 00:08.03 | eldowan | wicked indeed :D |
| 00:08.14 | stoned | concept10: not quite following you |
| 00:08.22 | stoned | concept10: let me absorb the image |
| 00:08.23 | concept10 | stoned, im in recording now |
| 00:08.27 | stoned | oh ok |
| 00:09.01 | libben | everytime my box boots up i geet steady beeeeeeep sound in my headphones.. dident have this problem before. i have alsa installed and choosed. to turn of the enoying beep i just run alsaconf and then exit the configer program insead of finnishing it. |
| 00:09.11 | libben | what do i do now. |
| 00:09.35 | stoned | libben: that is strange behaviour indeed |
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| 00:10.09 | libben | yes,. funny thing is that it was good a day before it happend |
| 00:10.22 | stoned | eldowan: btw, screen -r won't work if you have more than 1 detatched sessions.. screen -r will give a list in that case, just like screen -list |
| 00:10.38 | stoned | eldowan: there numerous docs on how to use screen efficiently |
| 00:10.49 | Keith_S | anyone any good with iptables? |
| 00:10.54 | stoned | eldowan: for a pre configured/sample etc. screenrc check out "dotfiles.org" |
| 00:11.01 | stoned | Keith_S: just ask your question |
| 00:11.03 | ofer0 | Keith_S, ask your question |
| 00:11.29 | stoned | argh |
| 00:11.36 | eldowan | stoned: sweet. linux sw devs never seem to quit amazing me |
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| 00:11.47 | concept10 | stoned, read what i posted |
| 00:11.56 | Palish | Hey, first time linux user.. I'm trying to create a file which executes commands, some kind of batch file |
| 00:11.59 | Palish | what would I google for that? :) |
| 00:12.03 | stoned | eldowan: there are no deadlines, no one is going to get fired.. its passionate and its a hobby |
| 00:12.04 | Keith_S | well... iv created a iptables based firewall... http://pastebin.ca/337795 I currently cannot ping outside world when the rules are active yet as far as i know i have not added any rules to block outgoing traffic? |
| 00:12.11 | stoned | you'll always find the best of the best in OSS |
| 00:12.13 | ofer0 | Palish, #!/bin/bash in the top of the file, that's it. |
| 00:12.23 | Palish | ofer0: How do I execute it, just run the file? |
| 00:12.26 | ofer0 | Palish, look for "how to write shell scripts in linux" |
| 00:12.40 | ofer0 | Palish, you first have to give it the permission to execute: chmod +x file.sh |
| 00:12.45 | ofer0 | Palish, then you run it: ./file.sh |
| 00:12.53 | Palish | I see :) thank you |
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| 00:13.35 | metadata | Palish: #!/bin/bash on the top, then the list of the commands (each on a different line) and then give the file execution permission with chmod +x filename and to run ./file.sh like ofer0 said |
| 00:14.03 | Palish | why the #!/binbash? works without it.. |
| 00:14.06 | Keith_S | stoned: ofer0 any ideas ? |
| 00:14.08 | hatta | Palish, http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 00:14.20 | hatta | that is the best bash scripting intro I've seen |
| 00:14.34 | hatta | don't be put off by the "advanced" either, they start with the basics and work up |
| 00:14.36 | eldowan | Keith_S: have you made sure that you are allowing icp related packeds in? |
| 00:14.41 | eldowan | s/icp/icmp/ |
| 00:14.42 | stoned | Keith_S: I dunno nuthin' 'bout 'puters man |
| 00:14.46 | ofer0 | Palish, use the #!/bin/bash anyway. |
| 00:14.59 | stoned | haha |
| 00:15.07 | stoned | icp related packets |
| 00:15.15 | stoned | Insane Clown Possee related packets |
| 00:15.16 | stoned | lol |
| 00:15.17 | stoned | thas wicked |
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| 00:15.29 | ofer0 | Palish, just so you know, the #!/path/to/executable means "Hey UNIX! Take the rest of this file, stick it as STDIN to /path/to/executable and provide this filename as the first argument, got it?" |
| 00:15.44 | Palish | okay, thank you :) |
| 00:15.52 | Keith_S | eldowan: well i can ping the host inquestion. |
| 00:16.11 | ofer0 | if you run it using bash, it might work. but if you try it using any other command line tool or GUI tool, it will fail, and may cause serious errors. |
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| 00:16.39 | eldowan | Keith_S: sorry, i mis understood you |
| 00:16.39 | Keith_S | seems to block all outgoing traffic. |
| 00:16.43 | ofer0 | iptables -I OUTPUT ACCEPT |
| 00:17.01 | Gnurdux | ofer0: it puts it as STDIN? |
| 00:17.06 | Keith_S | ofer0: ? |
| 00:17.06 | ofer0 | Gnurdux, yeah |
| 00:17.14 | Gnurdux | you sure? |
| 00:17.15 | danf_1979 | to upgrade to sid, all I have to do is change "etch" to "sid" and comment the security repos? |
| 00:17.18 | ofer0 | Gnurdux, 100% |
| 00:17.28 | ofer0 | Keith_S, try running: iptables -I OUTPUT -j ACCEPT |
| 00:17.41 | Keith_S | i tired that already. no joy |
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| 00:18.05 | ofer0 | Keith_S, please try it now, I have some more things for you, and this is the first step |
| 00:18.09 | hello_hello_hel | what do i apt-get install to install the gtk+ librarys for compiling gtk+ programs? i have checked both packages.debian.org and www.google.com |
| 00:18.15 | Keith_S | ofer0: ok iv tried it. |
| 00:18.17 | eldowan | Keith_S: pastebin iptables-save |
| 00:18.29 | ofer0 | danf_1979, basically, yeah. and then running aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 00:18.42 | danf_1979 | yes, thanks... |
| 00:18.51 | ofer0 | hello_hello_hel, *gtk*-dev, depends on what you need. |
| 00:19.12 | hello_hello_hel | well i want the latest gtk+ dev |
| 00:19.31 | ofer0 | hello_hello_hel, what exactly do you want to compile? |
| 00:19.38 | hello_hello_hel | a simple hello world :) |
| 00:19.55 | Keith_S | eldowan: ofer0 http://pastebin.ca/337829 |
| 00:20.23 | Keith_S | eldowan: running iptables-save wont save those ruels any where and load them at boot will it ? |
| 00:20.31 | abrotman | hello_hello_hel: apt-cache search libgtk |
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| 00:21.05 | ofer0 | hello_hello_hel, aptitude install libgtk-dev |
| 00:21.36 | abrotman | ofer0: i think you need a version in there |
| 00:22.09 | eldowan | Keith_S: no, it will output your current ruleset. try with iptables-save > iptables.txt |
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| 00:23.43 | danf_1979 | what gnome version runs sid? |
| 00:23.54 | Keith_S | eldowan: iv pasted it |
| 00:24.01 | ofer0 | Keith_S, it can't be that iptables -A OUTPUT -j ACCEPT isn't accepting outbound connections. |
| 00:24.33 | ofer0 | Keith_S, the thing is, I'm not sure you can get the ACK back. |
| 00:25.00 | eldowan | Keith_S: reading now. |
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| 00:26.05 | eldowan | Keith_S: sorry, could you re-post the issue you are having? |
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| 00:26.28 | ofer0 | -A INPUT -j DROP, this is the problem |
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| 00:26.38 | abrotman | danf_1979: packages.debian.org .. go look |
| 00:26.41 | ofer0 | remove this line and you'll be fine. |
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| 00:27.06 | Keith_S | eldowan: when the rules are enabled. i cant ping from the box out to say google etc or get any connection it would seem. |
| 00:27.09 | danf_1979 | I'm looking already... |
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| 00:27.30 | denny | http://dennyd.livejournal.com/594281.html |
| 00:27.34 | eldowan | Keith_S: have you tried web browsing or wget? is it just affecting icmp? |
| 00:28.01 | Keith_S | wget and ping + ssh i have tried |
| 00:28.44 | Keith_S | if i remove -A INPUT -j DROP |
| 00:28.47 | Keith_S | it works. |
| 00:29.46 | h3sp4wn | danf_1979: all of 2.14 few parts of 2.16 |
| 00:30.19 | ofer0 | Keith_S, of course it does. |
| 00:30.19 | tonb | any idea why apt-setup quit when i select ftp or http ? |
| 00:30.26 | tonb | just quit without error. |
| 00:30.39 | ofer0 | tonb, check $? |
| 00:30.42 | Keith_S | but its also not firewalling any thing off :p |
| 00:30.46 | stoned | tonb: it does't like you |
| 00:30.53 | Keith_S | which sort of makes it usless! |
| 00:31.01 | tonb | ofer0. i'm root. ;) |
| 00:31.09 | tonb | stoned yea. but i want like him |
| 00:31.14 | stoned | lol |
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| 00:31.52 | eldowan | Keith_S: you need to allow established connections to incomming |
| 00:31.52 | stoned | tonb: try apt-spy |
| 00:31.57 | ofer0 | tonb, I mean, check the contents of the variable named "$?" right after apt-setup fails. |
| 00:32.17 | stoned | tonb: make a list of the mirrors closest to you that way it will be faster |
| 00:32.29 | stoned | tonb: with apt-setup.. you on etch/sid? or stable? |
| 00:32.34 | eldowan | Keith_S: and possibly related? |
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| 00:33.09 | siimo | anyone know when debian sid will get gtk 2.10? this annoying problem i have has been fixed in 2.10 :X |
| 00:33.20 | stoned | tonb: you laucned apt-setup through bash.. check your console for any output errors.. if it really did quit without saying anything.. try it again.. see if you can reproduce the error |
| 00:33.22 | tonb | stoned : stable and quit error: 10 |
| 00:33.32 | Caelum | my ~/.Xauthority is invalid, how do I regenerate it? |
| 00:33.43 | tonb | stoned i'm lunching it from console, remote via ssh. |
| 00:33.48 | karsten | Caelum: man xauth |
| 00:33.49 | Athas | Doesn't Debian's XDM run the .xinitrc of the user logging in? |
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| 00:33.56 | stoned | tonb: not sure what error code 10 is |
| 00:33.59 | tonb | i get menu to chose what mettod i want. ftp/http etc |
| 00:34.00 | stoned | someone else might |
| 00:34.17 | tonb | ok ;> where i can find source.list for stable ? |
| 00:34.19 | karsten | Caelum: >~/.Xauthority; xauth -f ~/.Xauthority generate :0 . |
| 00:34.26 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 00:34.27 | dpkg | debian mirrors is, like, use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 00:34.34 | stoned | you can get a list there |
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| 00:34.51 | stoned | it is fairly simple, deb URLofMIRROR release repositories |
| 00:35.00 | tonb | mm. ok thanks. and one more thing |
| 00:35.01 | stoned | deb blah.com stable contrib etc. etc. |
| 00:35.11 | tonb | i have /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.pl.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 00:35.17 | tonb | but aptitude update give me |
| 00:35.21 | Caelum | karsten: thank you! |
| 00:35.32 | tonb | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.pl.debian.org stable/main Packages (patch_to_this_file) |
| 00:35.51 | tonb | u know how to handle this error? maybe |
| 00:35.53 | stoned | tonb: what else is the message.. usually its caused by package not existing or wrong Url |
| 00:36.04 | tonb | stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 00:36.14 | stoned | tonb: yeh.. that package was probably taken off |
| 00:36.30 | siimo | tonb: if your in PL use this mirror its usually very current: http://mirror.icis.pcz.pl/debian/ |
| 00:36.32 | stoned | tonb: you could just download the package from somewhere and install it with dpkg -i |
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| 00:36.47 | abrotman | tonb: try another mirror |
| 00:36.48 | stoned | tonb: or specify the correct repo |
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| 00:37.48 | tonb | ok. correcting repo |
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| 00:38.41 | tonb | duch... |
| 00:39.16 | eldowan | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:39.17 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is, like, update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 00:39.27 | stoned | Sepultura - Roots - Ratamahatta |
| 00:39.31 | stoned | this is a badass song btw |
| 00:39.39 | stoned | just you know.. for general knowledge |
| 00:39.41 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 00:39.48 | dvs | unlawful? |
| 00:39.55 | tonb | stoned could you check this ? http://wroclaw.net.pl/~seire/error.txt |
| 00:40.24 | eldowan | stoned: :D Roots is a good album :D |
| 00:40.34 | stoned | tonb: seems like its not a valid repo |
| 00:40.42 | stoned | it is unable to get a package list |
| 00:40.54 | stoned | so it doesn't know if there are packages there or not |
| 00:41.26 | siimo | tonb: you need to add /debian to the end of it |
| 00:41.29 | stoned | !tell eldowan about msg the bot |
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| 00:42.03 | siimo | tonb: like this: deb http://mirror.icis.pcz.pl/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
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| 00:42.26 | tonb | siimo i have entry like that |
| 00:42.31 | tonb | deb http://mirror.icis.pcz.pl/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 00:42.45 | siimo | tha is working for me without problems |
| 00:42.57 | Caelum | firefox is giving me: 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)' wtf? |
| 00:43.09 | tonb | ... yea. something wrong with my apt.. |
| 00:43.24 | drako | Hello |
| 00:44.20 | _paulfm | can someone please give me a good repository like Universe on Ubuntu? |
| 00:44.47 | stoned | Caelum: when does this happen? |
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| 00:45.04 | hexoffset | hi all, i have a problem could use some help |
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| 00:45.23 | stoned | _paulfm: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 00:45.35 | _paulfm | stoned: thanks |
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| 00:45.54 | stoned | yup |
| 00:46.09 | hexoffset | any takers? |
| 00:46.18 | stoned | !tell hexoffset about ask |
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| 00:46.52 | hexoffset | ok so im having an intermitten issue when in gnome, doing something, doesnt really matter what, and sometimes x resets by itself and brings me back to the login prompt |
| 00:46.56 | hexoffset | driving me nuts |
| 00:47.29 | stoned | hexoffset: /var/log/Xorg.0.log (if not using sarge) check for errors around bottom |
| 00:47.32 | tonb | heheeee.. where i can find libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 ? anyone know ? |
| 00:47.37 | stoned | hexoffset: might have some info in dmesg |
| 00:47.41 | tonb | it's testing probably right ? |
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| 00:47.54 | stoned | tonb: packages.debian.org |
| 00:48.00 | eldowan | did Keith_S get the firewall issue taken care of? |
| 00:48.04 | stoned | if its older than current |
| 00:48.08 | stoned | !snapshots |
| 00:48.08 | dpkg | somebody said debian snapshot was http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
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| 00:48.12 | stoned | !snapshot |
| 00:48.12 | dpkg | from memory, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 00:48.13 | tonb | stoned yea i |
| 00:48.13 | stoned | doh |
| 00:48.16 | siimo | _paulfm: you probably want contrib |
| 00:48.19 | tonb | stoned yea i'm searching right now |
| 00:48.24 | Caelum | stoned: when I run firefox |
| 00:48.37 | stoned | Caelum: upon run.. or a certain thing you do within firefox |
| 00:48.50 | Caelum | just running it |
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| 00:49.09 | tonb | eh.. i have mixed system stable and testing. it's sux |
| 00:49.12 | eldowan | it is soo good to be back on a fresh reload, instead of on a tiny 10" tablet. :D |
| 00:49.24 | tonb | !mirror |
| 00:49.38 | stoned | !tell tonb about mirrors |
| 00:49.46 | tonb | thank you |
| 00:49.49 | hexoffset | this is repeating over and over for about 30 lines on the bottom of Xorg0.log |
| 00:49.50 | hexoffset | (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024" |
| 00:49.56 | hexoffset | (II) Configured Mouse: ps2EnableDataReporting: succeeded |
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| 00:50.02 | Caelum | !fuck esd |
| 00:50.09 | stoned | Caelum: hmm.. let me see if I can find anything.. not sure though.. |
| 00:50.17 | _paulfm | siimo: thanks... I think contrib is what Im looking for |
| 00:50.33 | karsten | eldowan: How'd you do that? |
| 00:50.38 | karsten | NM... |
| 00:50.47 | eldowan | karsten: :) i don't have balance online |
| 00:50.47 | karsten | Where are kernel boot options doc'd? |
| 00:50.58 | stoned | Caelum: ESD runs on my Windows XP.. laptop exports audio over the network to ESD on windows.. I use Xming+ XDMCP to access my linux desktop with sound.. not choppy or laggy at all.. needs a little bit of tweaking in buffering |
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| 00:51.15 | stoned | karsten: good question.. boot cd ! :) hehe i dunno |
| 00:51.34 | Caelum | stoned: yeah, it does have its uses :) |
| 00:51.57 | Caelum | stoned: I think it's something I did with xauth...a bunch of progs are giving me a BadWindow error |
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| 00:52.51 | metadata | have fun people, time to go :) |
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| 00:53.24 | stoned | oh man |
| 00:53.27 | stoned | I'm hungry |
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| 00:53.44 | karsten | bootparam (answering my question). |
| 00:53.46 | tonb | eat something |
| 00:53.49 | eldowan | stoned: still no food? |
| 00:53.52 | karsten | stoned: Lay off the pot. |
| 00:54.10 | stoned | karsten: no I have not eaten anything since 2.5 days |
| 00:54.16 | stoned | the roads are not that iced up anymore |
| 00:54.17 | eldowan | karsten: snowed in |
| 00:54.20 | stoned | I think i'll go out and buy some food |
| 00:54.26 | tonb | !downgrade |
| 00:54.27 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 00:54.39 | stoned | !tell tonb about msg the bot |
| 00:54.48 | karsten | stoned: Ah. |
| 00:54.55 | karsten | stoned: OK, right? |
| 00:54.57 | tonb | stoned type. i just started write msg to bot |
| 00:54.58 | Caelum | stoned: 2.5 days? holy shit |
| 00:54.59 | stoned | yes |
| 00:55.00 | tonb | typo |
| 00:55.00 | eldowan | stoned: don't ruin the car before the big drive. drive safe. |
| 00:55.01 | tonb | ;> |
| 00:55.06 | stoned | friggin OKC |
| 00:55.12 | stoned | eldowan: I might take a uhaul down there |
| 00:55.15 | karsten | stoned: call for pizza! |
| 00:55.18 | stoned | buy a new car when I get there |
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| 00:55.24 | stoned | karsten: no one was delivering |
| 00:55.25 | reind | is there anyway that i can get a list of packages that are installed with when you chose "base system" (or something similar) when installing? |
| 00:55.25 | eldowan | stoned: !u |
| 00:55.26 | stoned | it was that bad |
| 00:55.31 | stoned | I said u |
| 00:55.32 | stoned | ? |
| 00:55.34 | stoned | no |
| 00:55.34 | eldowan | uhaul |
| 00:55.36 | stoned | I couldn't have |
| 00:55.40 | stoned | oh |
| 00:55.42 | eldowan | you-haul you mean? :D |
| 00:55.43 | karsten | reind: tasksel, dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:55.43 | stoned | yeh, thas what its called |
| 00:55.47 | stoned | U-Haul |
| 00:55.49 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:56.04 | karsten | stoned: They suck BTW. |
| 00:56.41 | stoned | they are cheap, plus I think they gotta special going on |
| 00:56.41 | Keith_S | eldowan: i need to make a rule for every port i want to use outing incoming ? |
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| 00:56.41 | stoned | anyway my sis is finding out about all that shell call and let me know |
| 00:56.41 | stoned | I'm trying to sell all my furniture |
| 00:56.41 | stoned | stuff I won't take with me |
| 00:57.01 | reind | karsten: unfortunately tasksel doesnt give the "base system" (sorry i forget the proper name) option |
| 00:57.10 | stoned | i gotta clean my one hitter bat |
| 00:57.16 | eldowan | Keith_S: there should be a directive to allow all incoming traffic so long as it is part of an established connection. i.e. to let the ping packet come back in , because a machine inside the FW initiated the connection. |
| 00:57.17 | stoned | its clogged |
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| 00:59.05 | Keith_S | eldowan: i see... guess i need to look that up |
| 00:59.37 | eldowan | Keith_S: look for a masquerade howto, I forget which one, but they give a sample script you can edit to get exactly what you are looking for. |
| 00:59.57 | karsten | reind: Isn't base everything priority "required"? 188 packages or so AFAICT |
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| 01:00.50 | hagg1 | Could a bad ps/2 connection to the motherboard cause a kernel Oops? My etch install just hard locked with kernel oops but I think it might be a hardware problem. My ps/2 mouse port died and the keyboard port might have issues too. |
| 01:01.33 | eldowan | hagg1: havent heard of that before. do you have a usb kb/mouse to test with? |
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| 01:03.00 | _paulfm | I need to build an audio driver, it says I need kernel-headers.... they are not in usr/src.. but aptitude says "i".. installed... what should I do? |
| 01:03.19 | hagg1 | eldowan: im using USB mouse but I don't have a USB kb. I'm not good on kernel internals so I don't how to analyze the oops to see what triggered it. I just noticed that my KB went completely dead when it locked and the lights went out |
| 01:03.26 | tonb | what is diff bettwen upgrade and dist-upgrade ? and if i upgrade from stable to testing i need do aptitude upgrade then aptitude disc-upgrade. or i just can type aptitude disc-upgrade :> ;? |
| 01:03.33 | karsten | _paulfm: dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 01:03.43 | karsten | tonb: man aptitude |
| 01:03.44 | tonb | sorry but i can't get the diff bettwen this two when change stable to testing |
| 01:03.46 | stoned | _paulfm: install module-assistant and m-a prepare |
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| 01:03.55 | Alibaba1 | hi |
| 01:03.56 | Alibaba1 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com.. |
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| 01:04.00 | _paulfm | karsten: thanks |
| 01:04.00 | eldowan | hagg1: the same thing happened to me, but it was a bad hdd causing it. |
| 01:04.01 | stoned | alindeman: thanks |
| 01:04.04 | stoned | er.. |
| 01:04.05 | stoned | !ops |
| 01:04.06 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
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| 01:04.14 | stoned | nm |
| 01:04.16 | stoned | what a tool |
| 01:04.18 | dvs | it worked! |
| 01:04.19 | stoned | I don't see joints/parts |
| 01:04.20 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@88.232.54.143] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:04.22 | _paulfm | stoned: thanks... is this similarto dpkg -L packagename? |
| 01:04.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 01:04.26 | eldowan | yeah, dpkg is a tool. :D |
| 01:04.36 | stoned | stoned: module assistant will help you prepare the system for building stuff |
| 01:04.38 | Keith_S | eldowan: recon it's worth using shorewall ? |
| 01:04.41 | karsten | dondelelcaro: did you catch the earlier ezb spammer? |
| 01:04.50 | stoned | dpkg -L shows what files are in what package |
| 01:04.50 | dpkg | ii shows what files are in what package 3.3-11.2 stoned's private porn collection |
| 01:04.59 | stoned | er.. |
| 01:05.00 | stoned | lol |
| 01:05.03 | stoned | dpkg you asshole |
| 01:05.19 | stoned | wait, dpkg is a chic I'm pretty sure |
| 01:05.19 | eldowan | Keith_S: I'm happy with shorewall for my network of 30-50 users. |
| 01:05.40 | Keith_S | eldowan: i heard it s a bitch to setup on debian ? |
| 01:05.43 | eldowan | chicks can be asswhoes too. |
| 01:05.44 | bintut | anybody here running ejabberd and openldap on debian etch? |
| 01:05.45 | _paulfm | stoned: hahhhhhhaaaaaaaa |
| 01:05.53 | Keith_S | any chance of some sample configs eldowan ? |
| 01:05.57 | eldowan | Keith_S: nope aptitude install shorewall. then edit /etc/shorewall/rules. |
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| 01:06.12 | eldowan | Keith_S: yeah, I will modify my /etc/rules and post them in a pastebin for you. |
| 01:06.17 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.18 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows what files are in what package |
| 01:06.23 | Keith_S | eldowan: i just did apt-get install eldowan |
| 01:06.27 | Keith_S | ffs |
| 01:06.32 | stoned | lol |
| 01:06.33 | stoned | omg! |
| 01:06.37 | Keith_S | i ment apt-get install shorewall |
| 01:06.47 | Keith_S | lol. |
| 01:06.49 | pingouin | what is the name of this tool that allow me to see the partitionning of my hard drives ? (part-something) |
| 01:06.49 | stoned | holy shit man! get a room |
| 01:06.50 | stoned | :) |
| 01:06.51 | eldowan | Keith_S: forever more i'll be with you. |
| 01:06.52 | reind | karsten ah, thanks very much |
| 01:06.59 | stoned | haha foreever more |
| 01:06.59 | eldowan | until I get purged I guess |
| 01:07.00 | stoned | lol |
| 01:07.05 | Gnurdux | stoned, how did you make dpkg do that? |
| 01:07.06 | _paulfm | stoned: what is "an m-a prepare" |
| 01:07.12 | stoned | Gnurdux: dpkg liks me |
| 01:07.17 | Keith_S | :D |
| 01:07.17 | stoned | likes* |
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| 01:07.23 | Kuko | Hello ^_^ |
| 01:07.29 | Kuko | Which kernel is currently running in testing? |
| 01:07.30 | eldowan | Keith_S: aptitude will automatically remove unused packages that apt-get won't. |
| 01:07.35 | eldowan | Kuko: 2.6 |
| 01:07.37 | Kuko | .etchkernel |
| 01:07.37 | stoned | Kuko: 2.6.18-3 |
| 01:07.41 | stoned | afaik |
| 01:07.42 | reind | karsten curious behavior: on one box tasksel -r works as expected, on another (etch) i get the usages output... any ideas? |
| 01:07.44 | Kuko | hmm |
| 01:07.46 | Keith_S | never used aptitude |
| 01:07.47 | stoned | oh |
| 01:07.48 | stoned | nevermind |
| 01:07.52 | stoned | no it isn't |
| 01:07.56 | stoned | I'm on sid, I forgot |
| 01:07.56 | stoned | sorry |
| 01:07.59 | eldowan | Kuko: on you machine? uname -r |
| 01:08.01 | stoned | oops! |
| 01:08.04 | abrotman | it's the same in etch |
| 01:08.06 | eldowan | stoned: 2.6.18-3 is in etch |
| 01:08.07 | Kuko | Umm no not on my machine yet |
| 01:08.08 | karsten | reind: NFC, I don't use tasksel. |
| 01:08.10 | stoned | oh ok |
| 01:08.12 | stoned | cool then |
| 01:08.14 | Kuko | I had to wipe my hd |
| 01:08.17 | Gnurdux | dpkg -L shows what files are in what package |
| 01:08.18 | dpkg | ii shows what files are in what package 1.5-1 gnurdux's private gamp collection |
| 01:08.18 | karsten | !tell Keith_S about aptitude |
| 01:08.22 | Gnurdux | ahhh |
| 01:08.23 | Kuko | I need to know which kernel to install with the distupgrade |
| 01:08.24 | Kuko | =\ |
| 01:08.32 | Gnurdux | dpkg -L stoned |
| 01:08.33 | dpkg | ii stoned 2.1-1 gnurdux's private porn collection |
| 01:08.34 | reind | karsten: thanks anyways |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | Gnurdux: you can stop now |
| 01:08.42 | Kuko | theres a factoid in dpkg telling you about etch kernels |
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| 01:08.47 | Keith_S | eldowan: did you have to move a bunch of conf files to /etc/shorewall ? |
| 01:08.53 | abrotman | Kuko: you're doing a dist-upgrade ? |
| 01:08.56 | Kuko | Yeah |
| 01:09.02 | Kuko | sarge >> testing |
| 01:09.08 | stoned | Kuko: nice |
| 01:09.16 | Kuko | Umm well its not the first time |
| 01:09.17 | abrotman | Kuko: install the metapackage for you kernel |
| 01:09.18 | eldowan | Keith_S: not that I remember |
| 01:09.26 | Kuko | Like i said my hd needed to be wiped |
| 01:09.32 | Kuko | metapackagte? |
| 01:09.34 | Kuko | * |
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| 01:09.48 | abrotman | Kuko: uname -a .. |
| 01:09.49 | Ratty | IS there a version of debain out with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:09.54 | abrotman | Ratty: yes |
| 01:09.57 | karsten | !metapackage |
| 01:09.57 | dpkg | methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. |
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| 01:10.03 | grew | can someone tell me what is loading my soundcard drivers in 2.6 unstable when i plug the soundcard in via pcmcia? |
| 01:10.08 | Kuko | .etch |
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| 01:10.21 | Kuko | I want to do what i did like a month ago |
| 01:10.21 | dondelelcaro | grew: udev, typically. |
| 01:10.24 | Kuko | It worked |
| 01:10.25 | karsten | dpkg: metapackage is also Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. |
| 01:10.25 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 01:10.32 | grew | dondelelcaro: how do i configure it? i dont want it loading the oss modules |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | Kuko: okay .. |
| 01:10.40 | abrotman | !tell Kuko about sarge->etch |
| 01:10.47 | dondelelcaro | grew: it should be loading the alsa modules and the oss compatibility modules. |
| 01:10.50 | Ratty | abrotman, Can you send me a link to that release, or tell me wher eI can find that at ? |
| 01:10.56 | grew | dondelelcaro: i dont want it loading the oss compat modules |
| 01:11.00 | dondelelcaro | grew: why not? |
| 01:11.03 | grew | dondelelcaro: its not working correctly and i want to figure out why |
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| 01:11.13 | Kuko | but you also need to update the kernel for udev |
| 01:11.13 | Kuko | =\ |
| 01:11.18 | dondelelcaro | Kuko: no you don't. |
| 01:11.21 | abrotman | Ratty: sarge/etch/sid all have a 2.6 |
| 01:11.23 | eldowan | could the factoids paster pastebin and paste be combined? |
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| 01:11.28 | grew | my soundcard is registered by alsa but does not get recognized by userspace tools |
| 01:11.34 | abrotman | Kuko: are oyu running gnome ? |
| 01:11.40 | dondelelcaro | grew: so rmmod them after you've inserted the card to test |
| 01:11.41 | Kuko | Currently im running nothing |
| 01:11.41 | Kuko | lol |
| 01:11.48 | dondelelcaro | grew: or rather modprobe -r; them. |
| 01:12.02 | Keith_S | eldowan: any chance i can be a pain and ask wat files you have in /etc/shorewall/ |
| 01:12.10 | dondelelcaro | grew: if your soundcard has been registered by alsa, you'll be able to use alsamixer et al. to control it. |
| 01:12.19 | stoned | eldowan: you can do it yourself |
| 01:12.21 | abrotman | Kuko: so jsut use the etch netinst |
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| 01:12.26 | Kuko | I dont have one |
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| 01:12.31 | Kuko | I used the sarge netinst |
| 01:12.33 | dondelelcaro | grew: the oss compatibility modules don't do anything but provide /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer, so they aren't the problem. |
| 01:12.37 | Kuko | so im just dist upgrading from it |
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| 01:12.42 | adrakoa | hi |
| 01:12.43 | Kuko | Never borked before |
| 01:12.47 | lunaphyte | README.Debian for netbase says to use net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 - commented out line in sysctl.conf says to use net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1. what is the difference? |
| 01:12.53 | abrotman | Kuko: is there an error you can show us ? |
| 01:13.02 | eldowan | Keith_S: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5251 is various rules I have allowed for my shorewall /etc/shorewall/rules file. |
| 01:13.02 | Kuko | Hasnt borked yet either |
| 01:13.05 | Kuko | lol |
| 01:13.23 | Kuko | Im simply looking for the name of the kernel the 2.6.x.x-i686 |
| 01:13.23 | Kuko | thing |
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| 01:14.00 | dondelelcaro | Kuko: you just want linux-image-2.6-686 or similar. |
| 01:14.58 | Kuko | last time i did a dist upgrade from sarge to testing |
| 01:15.09 | Ratty | abrotman, Sorry, but where do I find these branches at ? I right now use gentoo :/ |
| 01:15.10 | Kuko | i couldnt use any usb stuff until i did a update of my kerenel |
| 01:15.13 | Kuko | kernel* |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | Ratty: at debian.org |
| 01:15.30 | eldowan | Keith_S: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5252 for my shorewall/masq fiel |
| 01:15.57 | Ratty | abrotman, Very helpful lol :P |
| 01:16.01 | Ratty | :( |
| 01:16.08 | eldowan | Keith_S: and shorewall/interfaces http://channels.debian.net/paste/5253 |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | !d-i Ratty |
| 01:16.14 | dpkg | Ratty, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 01:16.28 | abrotman | Ratty: is it for a desktop/workstation ? |
| 01:16.29 | lunaphyte | where do people typically keep their iptables configs? |
| 01:16.40 | Ratty | abrotman, Yes |
| 01:16.47 | crazy_rzt | i have a question about iproute command... who can do this? |
| 01:16.47 | abrotman | Ratty: then i'd use the second URL in that factoid |
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| 01:16.55 | abrotman | crazy_rzt: just ask |
| 01:16.58 | grew | im assuming alsa-source puts the drivers in /usr/src/alsa-driver.tar.bz2? |
| 01:17.01 | Ratty | abrotman, Yeah I know I am lazy... I could of done that myself, but... |
| 01:17.37 | eldowan | Keith_S: you don't need the first URL unless you are doing port forwarding IIRC, but the others are a simple 1-5 line edits on the config files. I've been very happy, it does great logging for my purposes, and setting up port forwarding is easier than I used to do with manually editing the iptables rules directly. YMMV of course, but it should work for you very well |
| 01:17.43 | Ratty | abrotman, Firefox likes to lock up when downloading fast files at fast speeds.. :( |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | they make fast files ? |
| 01:17.56 | crazy_rzt | abrotoman: With this line(and others...) i have Load-Balance and redundancy working 100%: ip route add default table 222 proto static nexthop via $GW1 dev $IF1 nexthop via $GW2 dev $IF2 |
| 01:18.08 | Caelum | hmm, if I renice esd to -10 it doesn't skip as much |
| 01:18.11 | abrotman | crazy_rzt: i didn't mean to ask me :) |
| 01:18.17 | crazy_rzt | that's really a wonderfull thing |
| 01:18.29 | eldowan | abrotman: well, if the aren't on a 2.5" 4200RPM drive, i'd wager tehy would be fast enough. :D |
| 01:18.38 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 01:18.41 | Ratty | abrotman, Downloading ubuntu for the hell of it, and it is taking up most of my bandwith.. Firefox likes to lock up after loading each page |
| 01:18.48 | abrotman | Ratty: maybe use wget ? |
| 01:18.51 | crazy_rzt | abrotoman: But, i dont need this Load-Balance, only redundancy. |
| 01:19.00 | crazy_rzt | do u have some idea? |
| 01:19.09 | Keith_S | eldowan: is that the only 3 files you have in there? |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:19.14 | crazy_rzt | ok |
| 01:19.37 | Ratty | abrotman, I am not all that good with commands yet... Although elinks may work |
| 01:19.46 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:19.55 | eldowan | Keith_S: there are more, but those are the only ones I have edited. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5251 http://channels.debian.net/paste/5252 http://channels.debian.net/paste/5253 |
| 01:20.08 | reind | im trying to apt-get remove <package> (that was half-installed), now during the remove it tries to start it (this is mysql btw) and fails, thus failing the remove... anyway around this? |
| 01:20.40 | eldowan | Keith_S: IIRC, the interfaces tells shorewall which interface is outside, inside, dmz, etc. and i forget what the masq is used for. |
| 01:21.09 | adrakoa | reind: dpkg --purge <package> ? |
| 01:21.14 | Ratty | abrotman, You dont need 21 cds for the debian install, do you? You can just download the first item on the mirror right ? |
| 01:21.16 | eldowan | I think it says to mask the inside as the outside, but i'm not sure anymore. each of those files are extrememly well documented, and you shouldn't have any problems setting it up. |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | Ratty: you have broadband ? |
| 01:21.38 | reind | adrakoa: thanks |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | Ratty: if so .. use the netinst |
| 01:21.45 | Ratty | abrotman, Yes |
| 01:21.46 | eldowan | Keith_S: each have like over 100 lines of examples and explanations, and the website is very informative too. |
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| 01:22.48 | Ratty | abrotman, Ahh, thanks |
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| 01:24.42 | adrakoa | M-x list-colors-display |
| 01:24.53 | Keith_S | eldowan: im looking on there site now. |
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| 01:26.24 | grew | can anyone tell me why im getting this when trying to load my soundcard: FATAL: Module snd_indigoio not found. when i have this: /lib/modules/2.6.17.4/kernel/sound/pci/echoaudio/snd-indigoio.ko |
| 01:26.40 | reind | anyone have any problems getting mysql-server-5.0 installed? fails on starting. :-/ |
| 01:26.42 | grew | nevermind |
| 01:26.45 | grew | depmod -a fixed |
| 01:26.58 | grew | is there a debian package for the alsa firmware? |
| 01:27.44 | abrotman | !search |
| 01:27.44 | dpkg | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 01:27.53 | _paulfm | ok I got my soundcard to work! - but its really quiet... how can I turn up to volume... using cli? |
| 01:28.51 | abrotman | alsamixer |
| 01:29.05 | grew | apparently not |
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| 01:29.11 | grew | why doesnt the debian alsa faq talk about the firmware |
| 01:29.23 | dondelelcaro | grew: because most alsa cards do not require firmware. |
| 01:29.41 | _paulfm | abrotman: I am using an oss driver... will alsa mixer work? |
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| 01:29.57 | abrotman | _paulfm: then 'aumix' |
| 01:30.05 | grew | dondelelcaro: where should i have the firmware installed for udev to find it |
| 01:30.08 | abrotman | i've never heard of any sound card needing firmware |
| 01:30.15 | grew | abrotman: tons do |
| 01:30.20 | grew | well a few do |
| 01:30.27 | grew | alsa has a driver package, and my soundcard requires it |
| 01:30.32 | justin | grew: /lib/firmware? |
| 01:30.32 | dondelelcaro | grew: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ |
| 01:30.33 | abrotman | grew: you're the first i've *ever* heard of .. and i've been doing this a while ;) |
| 01:30.35 | _paulfm | abrotman: cool.. sounds good |
| 01:30.44 | grew | abrotman: first time for everything i guess |
| 01:30.52 | grew | i have a pro soundcard thats probably why |
| 01:30.56 | dondelelcaro | I do know soundcards which have firmware, but not ones that require it to be uploaded. |
| 01:30.59 | abrotman | granted ..i'm not really a sound person .. as long as it beeps .. it's good enough for me :) |
| 01:31.22 | dondelelcaro | and generally, they're soundcards which are so cheap that the manufacturer won't spend any money at all on an prom for the firmware. |
| 01:31.39 | abrotman | oh .. i thought it would be the really highend cards :) |
| 01:31.40 | grew | all the echo audio cards seem to require it |
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| 01:31.45 | grew | and they are the high end cards |
| 01:31.46 | grew | really high end |
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| 01:32.06 | dondelelcaro | meh; if you're going to spend money on an echo, you should get a hammerfall instead. |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | 10k ? |
| 01:32.36 | MatBoy-[ph] | Echo what ? |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | sound card |
| 01:32.42 | eldowan | wjat |
| 01:33.06 | MatBoy-[ph] | 10k ? |
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| 01:33.07 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I think they top out at somewhere in the 2-3K range. |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | i thought i'd seen some $10k ones .. |
| 01:33.30 | Palish | hmm |
| 01:33.48 | Palish | so I cant do BASE="/some/path/"; FOO=$BASE + "myfolder"; ? |
| 01:33.50 | MatBoy-[ph] | Man there are so many expensive cards like that |
| 01:33.54 | Palish | where ; is a newline. |
| 01:34.00 | Palish | in a shell script. Hehe. |
| 01:34.36 | Caelum | blech, winamp on xp barely ever skips, xmms+esd skips all the friggin' time, even if I try to renice things... |
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| 01:35.12 | eldowan | !no public key |
| 01:35.12 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 01:35.24 | MatBoy-[ph] | I have been told that xmms is not inder good dev anymore |
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| 01:35.44 | eldowan | Caelum: have you tried xmms2? |
| 01:35.58 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: actually, it seems that they don't even break 1K anymore. |
| 01:36.16 | MatBoy-[ph] | Cheap shit :p |
| 01:36.24 | Caelum | eldowan: not yet |
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| 01:36.39 | Azar | heh my xmms rocks |
| 01:36.42 | MatBoy-[ph] | Or try amarok |
| 01:37.11 | Azar | playx s3m, xm files? |
| 01:37.14 | CHodapp | XMMS never skipped on me even on a Pentium 120 with plugins running... |
| 01:37.18 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: that takes all the fun out of it :) |
| 01:37.22 | CHodapp | odd. |
| 01:37.24 | Azar | plays* |
| 01:37.33 | MatBoy-[ph] | I have some common problems with karakters and the import |
| 01:37.33 | Caelum | it's this cheap shitty built-in intel video card that makes X eat all the cpu probably... |
| 01:37.43 | Azar | eldowan: does amarok play s3m and xm files? |
| 01:37.43 | CHodapp | what card? |
| 01:37.53 | Caelum | i810 |
| 01:38.01 | CHodapp | ah, I had one of those |
| 01:38.04 | CHodapp | slow indeed |
| 01:38.05 | eldowan | Azar: don't know. never used them. never even heard of them. |
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| 01:38.35 | CHodapp | eldowan: look like modules from trackers |
| 01:38.38 | Azar | so far only xmms I know to play them... maybe other players too but I never heard |
| 01:38.47 | MatBoy-[ph] | Echo... I just heard that you are worth 10k |
| 01:39.13 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: see, now http://www.rme-audio.de/english/premline/adi6432.htm <-- this is a real audio card. ;-) |
| 01:39.16 | CHodapp | they are uncommon formats, I rarely see a player handle those and other digital audio at the same time |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: my computer doesn't have that type of slot :) |
| 01:39.45 | unlink | can someone recommend a live cd which has >= 2.6.19 available, that supports amd64? |
| 01:40.00 | Caelum | I hope this tiny dell desktop they gave me for a linux box at work can handle an agp or pci video card... |
| 01:40.01 | MatBoy-[ph] | I'm tired and the keys are getting too small... Cu all later |
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| 01:40.06 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: but how much is it ? |
| 01:40.15 | eldowan | unlink: why do you need it? |
| 01:40.35 | unlink | eldowan: because only kernels that new support my hardwrae |
| 01:40.37 | Caelum | unlink: that's highly unlikely, given the speed at which livecds are updated... you'd have to build your own |
| 01:40.47 | eldowan | !custom sarge |
| 01:40.49 | unlink | Caelum: well, knoppix 5.1.1 gives me hope |
| 01:40.51 | eldowan | !sarge custom |
| 01:40.54 | unlink | Caelum: but that's x86 |
| 01:41.02 | eldowan | unlink: what arch? |
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| 01:41.13 | unlink | eldowan: amd64 |
| 01:41.22 | unlink | eldowan: em64t technically... |
| 01:41.27 | Azar | unlink: 2.6.18 is well known to support newer hardware unless you got a "future PC" with 3 cpus |
| 01:41.41 | unlink | Azar: what livecd has 2.6.18? |
| 01:41.43 | eldowan | unlink: em64t, isn't that intels anem? |
| 01:41.44 | Azar | wait no, 4 cpus |
| 01:41.48 | unlink | eldowan: yes |
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| 01:42.04 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: ouch .. $4500 |
| 01:42.14 | Azar | unlink: not sure etch just uploaded 2.6.18.. not sure if is already on a live cd |
| 01:42.15 | eldowan | unlink: amd64 was out over a year or two before em64t was. amd64 was first :D |
| 01:42.22 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Happy birfday (tomorrow). |
| 01:42.33 | dondelelcaro | heh. thanks |
| 01:42.35 | eldowan | Azar: isn't there a factoid about a custom sarge installer with new kernels? |
| 01:42.44 | Azar | yay we gotta eat dondelecaro's cake |
| 01:42.49 | abrotman | cakebutt ? |
| 01:42.56 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yes, but you're really better off using the new d-i's to do the install |
| 01:43.00 | Azar | eldowan: only on backports |
| 01:43.27 | unlink | d-i doesn't work with my box |
| 01:43.29 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: It came in useful before when etch didn't detect my HW, and teh custom sarge isntaller did. |
| 01:43.36 | eldowan | s/teh/the/ |
| 01:43.52 | Azar | **~~** Happy Birthday to You , Our Beloved Dondelecaro **~~** |
| 01:44.07 | abrotman | beloved? |
| 01:44.20 | Azar | well you too are beloved abrotman |
| 01:44.29 | Azar | eldowan: once a year |
| 01:45.02 | eldowan | aah, so today is happy azar brown-nosing day! then we celebrate tomorrow too for dondelelcaro's bday. sweet |
| 01:45.06 | abrotman | you missed my bday |
| 01:45.08 | Azar | hey at my workplace, we celebrate each of us... with cake and music |
| 01:45.09 | eldowan | s/azar/Azar/ |
| 01:45.16 | eldowan | Azar: here too. |
| 01:45.31 | Azar | abrotman: I did and indeed I feel sorry |
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| 01:46.49 | Azar | eldowan: at my b-day my boss sang my B-day with his guitar |
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| 01:47.15 | abrotman | you work at ChiChis ? |
| 01:47.17 | eldowan | Azar: ouch. here one of the ladies makes a cake, and some people sing a song. then we eat. |
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| 01:47.40 | Azar | cheap: we get the cakes ordered at Portos bakery |
| 01:47.52 | Azar | abrotman: nah, in an Accounting office |
| 01:48.10 | Azar | Nestle |
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| 01:48.52 | abrotman | heh .. my boss used to work for nestle |
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| 01:50.53 | Azar | wow this is big! http://www.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUSN0219839720070202 |
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| 01:52.04 | xp_prg | how can I tell what distro of debian I am running? |
| 01:52.10 | abrotman | !version |
| 01:52.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 01:52.14 | concept10 | stoned, ping pang pong |
| 01:52.43 | Azar | what you guys play pong? |
| 01:52.47 | xp_prg | debian_version contains 4.0 |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | that's etch or sid |
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| 01:53.08 | xp_prg | abrotman how do I tell which one exactly? |
| 01:53.09 | eldowan | Azar: thanks for the read. very interesting. :D |
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| 01:53.41 | abrotman | xp_prg: look at your sources |
| 01:54.13 | Azar | eldowan: yep, I am on the fences... something "should" happen |
| 01:54.16 | xp_prg | in my sources.list? |
| 01:54.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:54.50 | xp_prg | well the first line says: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main |
| 01:55.04 | eldowan | Azar: I'm not sure where I stand on the issue. I don't really know much of the details myself |
| 01:55.05 | xp_prg | does that tell me? |
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| 01:55.42 | abrotman | that's testing .. which is currently etch |
| 01:55.53 | Miesco | abrotman: What file manager do you use? |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | i don't |
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| 01:56.22 | Miesco | abrotman: Oh I see, just command line? |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | usually |
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| 01:56.45 | xp_prg | ok thanks |
| 01:56.48 | Miesco | abrotman: Can I have a screenshot of your desktop |
| 01:56.55 | krenin | Howdy. |
| 01:56.58 | abrotman | get your own |
| 01:57.03 | Miesco | I do go tmy own |
| 01:58.17 | Miesco | It would mean so much to me |
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| 01:59.45 | amphi | heh |
| 02:00.37 | Azar | eldowan: its about the "taste" |
| 02:01.09 | Azar | hehehe nice bash eggs : http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/blog/2007/02/improving_bash.html?CMP=OTC-0O724Z062301&ATT=Improving+bash |
| 02:01.44 | Palish | Mm.. |
| 02:01.49 | Azar | yea, I bet abrotman's screen is awesome |
| 02:01.53 | Palish | Is there a way to get it so that I don't need to type ./ before running programs? |
| 02:02.20 | karsten | Palish: Add the directory to your $PATH |
| 02:02.39 | Azar | Palish: read the link I just posted |
| 02:02.46 | Palish | hm..er, where would I put that, so that it's added each time the server reboots? |
| 02:03.16 | karsten | Palish: ~/.bashrc |
| 02:03.41 | karsten | Palish: or /etc/environment, or /etc/bash_profile |
| 02:03.47 | Palish | separate paths with :? |
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| 02:03.59 | karsten | Palish: man bash |
| 02:04.10 | amphi | Palish: it's not a great idea to add ./ to your PATH |
| 02:04.41 | Palish | well, the situation is I made a script that I like, which wraps a long command into a short one. Now I need to put it somewhere.. |
| 02:04.51 | Palish | then type "scriptname" to run it. no matter where I'm at :) |
| 02:05.04 | karsten | Palish: What amphi said. Adding /home/username/bin to your path is fine. Adding '.' to path means that someone could drop a (potentially hostile) executable or shell script somewhere and wait for you to run it. |
| 02:05.16 | karsten | Palish: ~/bin or /usr/local/bin are the usual hautns. |
| 02:05.21 | karsten | haunts. |
| 02:05.24 | Palish | right, okay :) |
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| 02:05.32 | Palish | if I want it global should I put it in /bin? |
| 02:05.38 | karsten | Palish: No. |
| 02:05.42 | karsten | Palish: /usr/local/bin |
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| 02:06.07 | karsten | Palish: Debian manages most of your system, *except* /usr/local/ Stuff you put there is guaranteed to be yours, per Debian Policy. |
| 02:06.36 | Palish | I see |
| 02:06.38 | Palish | thank you :) |
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| 02:06.46 | etrask | What options do I have for video card drivers for my computer if both "ati" and "radeon" make X11 crash? |
| 02:06.53 | etrask | (I have a Radeon 9550SE) |
| 02:07.05 | karsten | etrask: Well, there's always vesa. |
| 02:07.11 | karsten | etrask: Not fast, but stable. |
| 02:07.23 | etrask | That a different window manager? |
| 02:07.36 | etrask | or, what i'm asking is, could I still use Gnome with it? |
| 02:07.38 | Gnurdux | no, a driver |
| 02:07.41 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 02:07.44 | etrask | oh, sweet |
| 02:07.56 | amphi | etrask: look at man radeon and try some of the options in there, perhaps |
| 02:07.57 | etrask | so I just put "vesa" in the driver part of xorg.conf? |
| 02:08.00 | etrask | or whatever that file's called |
| 02:08.12 | etrask | (I know it when I see it) |
| 02:08.21 | etrask | amphi: I'll do that too, thanks |
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| 02:08.25 | etrask | I don't really need speed, here |
| 02:08.29 | etrask | I don't plan on gaming or anything |
| 02:08.30 | karsten | etrask: No, it's an X11 graphics driver, generic extended sumething mumble |
| 02:08.45 | karsten | !vesa |
| 02:08.45 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 02:09.15 | Azar | anyone going to watch superbowl this weekend? |
| 02:09.29 | amphi | superbowl? |
| 02:09.37 | etrask | karsten: so how would I enable VESA? |
| 02:09.41 | Azar | nfl games |
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| 02:10.06 | amphi | oh, spr0t, ugh - what is 'nfl'? |
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| 02:10.22 | karsten | Azar: No. That's why the advertising cost-per-minute is only $0.25 this year. |
| 02:10.30 | karsten | etrask: add it to your xorg.conf |
| 02:10.39 | flg | sup, someone good in proliant + debian? |
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| 02:10.44 | flg | i have a ML 370 G2 but it doesn't go with sarge. any idea? |
| 02:10.52 | abrotman | tried both kernels ? |
| 02:10.54 | Azar | karsten: you did not see the news :) |
| 02:11.02 | karsten | etrask: "Device" section, "Driver" |
| 02:11.07 | karsten | Azar: ? |
| 02:11.09 | Azar | karsten: http://techdirt.com/articles/20070201/140812.shtml |
| 02:11.13 | lunaphyte | what do these ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready and ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth1: link becomes ready messages mean? is something trying to do something with an interface that shouldn't be yet? |
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| 02:11.59 | eldowan | Azar: I heard about that today. Isn't the NFL threatening to sue a church? |
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| 02:12.07 | arkham | HELLO |
| 02:12.10 | abrotman | flg: did you try them both ? |
| 02:12.13 | Azar | yep hehe |
| 02:12.18 | arkham | what do you use gnome or KDE ? |
| 02:12.18 | etrask | karsten: so change what is right now "radeon" to "vesa"? |
| 02:12.22 | azeem | hrm, nice |
| 02:12.25 | karsten | Azar: Shoot your television. |
| 02:12.28 | arkham | i want to choose one now |
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| 02:12.29 | flg | sry, both? |
| 02:12.34 | amphi | !:e |
| 02:12.35 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 02:12.39 | abrotman | flg: the sarge installer has two kernels available |
| 02:12.41 | karsten | atrus: You do the math. I gave up babysitting a long time ago. |
| 02:12.50 | Azar | karsten: hey I have other good things to watch with my friends.. :) |
| 02:12.54 | xp_prg | anyone know what package contains ar? |
| 02:13.00 | arkham | gnome or KDE ? |
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| 02:13.05 | karsten | !tell xp_prg about search |
| 02:13.07 | abrotman | !tell xp_prg about search |
| 02:13.07 | flg | it works with woody but i have other issues then there |
| 02:13.22 | flg | no case to not work with sarge i think... ? |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | flg: so you didn't try them both ? |
| 02:13.37 | xp_prg | apt-cache search ar gives me a huge amount |
| 02:13.37 | flg | abrotman ok |
| 02:13.40 | flg | not yet |
| 02:13.51 | flg | sry |
| 02:13.52 | flg | did |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | you did ? |
| 02:14.00 | flg | a friend is on it |
| 02:14.03 | abrotman | the 2.4 and the 2.6 ? |
| 02:14.05 | pipeline | flg: binutils |
| 02:14.11 | xp_prg | so does anyone know the package name? |
| 02:14.11 | pipeline | xp_prg: binutils |
| 02:14.12 | abrotman | pipeline: wrong person |
| 02:14.15 | flg | 2.6 hangs on via82cxxx |
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| 02:14.32 | flg | 2.4 does not see cdrom ide and pci ide raid |
| 02:14.35 | abrotman | flg: did you try some installer options ? |
| 02:14.37 | Azar | 2.6 in woody? using backports? |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | Azar: no |
| 02:14.45 | ma3x | I just saw on my machine the user identd running a process called identd |
| 02:14.52 | Azar | ah I see |
| 02:14.52 | ma3x | and it's gone now |
| 02:14.57 | karsten | !tell xp_prg about search |
| 02:15.00 | karsten | xp_prg: ^^ |
| 02:15.02 | ma3x | I also see a line for identd in /etc/passwd |
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| 02:15.09 | ma3x | has somebody hacked into my system? |
| 02:15.14 | ma3x | I don't have identd installed |
| 02:15.17 | abrotman | hopefully |
| 02:15.20 | pipeline | karsten: heh, there's no safe way to search for "ar" :P |
| 02:15.22 | ma3x | can you explain me? |
| 02:15.24 | Azar | :) |
| 02:15.32 | abrotman | !find bin/ar$ sarge |
| 02:15.32 | karsten | pipeline: Full path. |
| 02:15.46 | Azar | ma3x: anythingd endingd in d is a daemon... |
| 02:15.49 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ar' (6 of 7): (/usr/avr/bin/ar) in devel/binutils-avr ;; (/usr/m68hc11/bin/ar) in devel/binutils-m68hc1x ;; (/usr/arm-palmos/bin/ar) in otherosfs/prc-tools-arm ;; (/usr/m68k-palmos/bin/ar) in otherosfs/prc-tools-m68k ;; (/usr/i586-mingw32msvc/bin/ar) in devel/mingw32-binutils ;; (/usr/bin/ar) in devel/binutils,devel/binutils-multiarch. |
| 02:15.59 | flg | 2.6 in woody? using backports? ... could work.... right? |
| 02:16.06 | pipeline | flg: Upgrade. |
| 02:16.15 | Azar | flg, yep upgrade |
| 02:16.15 | flg | upgrade? |
| 02:16.19 | karsten | pipeline: dpkg -S $( which ar ) |
| 02:16.19 | Azar | to sarge |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | !woody 2.6 |
| 02:16.22 | dpkg | [bunk 2.6] You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 02:16.26 | ma3x | Azar: but I don't have ident server, how come that deamon is running? |
| 02:16.29 | abrotman | which i doubt is still there |
| 02:16.30 | flg | when i cant set a 2.4 cause of missing cdrom |
| 02:16.36 | flg | and pci ide |
| 02:16.44 | Azar | ma3x: don't worry is part of the processes in the system |
| 02:16.55 | flg | *set up a 2.4 |
| 02:17.02 | flg | when u would do an upgrade? |
| 02:17.09 | flg | no system existing yet |
| 02:17.11 | karsten | !u |
| 02:17.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:17.29 | eldowan | should I assume that since a copy operation is using 100% of my CPU, that the hdd isn't the bottleneck? |
| 02:17.32 | ma3x | Azar: but why was it running just for an instance, and the next minute it was gone.. ? |
| 02:17.36 | flg | no u3 discs yet, so we try to use pci ide raid... |
| 02:17.49 | flg | someone with me still? :) |
| 02:17.59 | Azar | ma3x: do not worry nobody hacked into your system.. yet |
| 02:18.13 | ma3x | Azar: what do you mean? how do u know |
| 02:18.15 | karsten | isn't 'help' a bash built-in? |
| 02:18.57 | eldowan | I thought so |
| 02:19.02 | ma3x | karsten: yes |
| 02:19.04 | abrotman | man bash doesn't say ? |
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| 02:19.58 | karsten | !@#$%^&*() default prompts here use '$' for c-style shells. |
| 02:20.12 | karsten | !@#$%^&*() annoying. |
| 02:20.25 | eldowan | is there a reputable comparison of the different shells available? featureset, etc... |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | reputable ? |
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| 02:20.50 | eldowan | unbiased, well written... |
| 02:21.10 | flg | how should a upgrade sarge work when i cant install runnin 2.4 cause of lack of drivers |
| 02:21.14 | Azar | flg: apt-get install aptitude. Change your sources.list by replacing all "woody" to "sarge" in the lines. aptitude update // aptitude upgrade // aptitude dist-upgrade // apt-cache search kernel-image (look in the list for the kernel 2.6.8 specific for your cpu - note down the line) // aptitude upgrade kernel-image-2.6.8-xxx-xxxx-xxxx << the line you noted down. Follow the kernel installation and take note to edit your lilo.conf file with |
| 02:21.31 | flg | 2.6 in woody using backports... is that changeable on install of woody? |
| 02:21.48 | karsten | eldowan: man bash ;-) |
| 02:22.14 | eldowan | karsten: my scarcasm detector is broken. was that a joke or for real? |
| 02:22.19 | flg | azar: but theres no running system yet |
| 02:22.31 | karsten | eldowan: parse recursively until you get it. |
| 02:22.34 | Azar | flg then install sarge |
| 02:22.41 | flg | doesnt work |
| 02:22.54 | flg | hangs up on via82cxxx |
| 02:22.57 | Azar | then install woody then upgrade the way I showed you |
| 02:23.00 | karsten | eldowan: Seriously: for general interactive work unless you're running either bash or zsh you should have your head examined. Everything else is hoplessly primitive. |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | !ig |
| 02:23.08 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 02:23.14 | Azar | yeah sarge kicks sometimes, woody is more forgiving |
| 02:23.17 | karsten | eldowan: bash has the advantage of being Linux's standard scripting shell as well. |
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| 02:23.21 | flg | woody doesnt install because it lacks the ide pci raid card and onboard ide |
| 02:23.22 | flg | ... |
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| 02:23.38 | abrotman | so both sarge kernels fail ? |
| 02:23.45 | timmarhy | can any explain to me why apt (sarge) is driving me insane |
| 02:23.48 | Azar | bull... woody installs on almost anything "but" macs |
| 02:23.56 | flg | yes both fails |
| 02:23.58 | timmarhy | it's not resolving the apt server |
| 02:23.59 | karsten | eldowan: You should also be aware of some of the special-purpose and/or small shells, particularly dash and sash (first a small Bourne-compatible shell, second a stand-alone shell with builtins useful for emergencies). |
| 02:24.00 | eldowan | so is debian's default bash posix compliant? |
| 02:24.18 | karsten | eldowan: Cose. |
| 02:24.21 | timmarhy | but when i ping the server, it responds and then apt will work |
| 02:24.31 | karsten | eldowan: Close, even. Note that POSIX is actually an RMS initiative. |
| 02:24.32 | eldowan | karsten: as close as you were to spelling close correctly? |
| 02:24.46 | timmarhy | it's like apt-get is screwing up where it's getting it's resolv info or something |
| 02:24.48 | eldowan | I'll have to take a look and see what RMS is. |
| 02:24.54 | karsten | eldowan: You might say they gave it an 'l of a shot ;-) |
| 02:24.57 | karsten | !RMS |
| 02:24.58 | dpkg | [rms] Richard M. Stallman |
| 02:25.06 | flg | well, wait for the scsi disks to get around :( or still some idea? |
| 02:25.15 | abrotman | !vrms |
| 02:25.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms |
| 02:25.17 | dondelelcaro | heh. everyone should rather quickly learn who RMS is and what he has done. |
| 02:25.20 | flg | live cd that could work? :D |
| 02:25.21 | karsten | eldowan: The guy who started GNU, FSF, LPF, etc. |
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| 02:25.36 | Azar | flg: back when I learned to install woody, I used a lot "modconf" and get the right hardware |
| 02:25.43 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... and the words to the free software song ;-) |
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| 02:25.44 | flg | true |
| 02:25.45 | eldowan | karsten: AAh, trying to push for universal compatability and freedom? |
| 02:25.53 | unlink | what's the simplest way to get my machine running? it has a sata controller only supported by 2.6.18, and it's running amd64. So the latest knoppix works fine, but debootstrap only goes so far (since chrooting is impossible from 32 bit -> 64 bit) |
| 02:25.59 | timmarhy | also, is there a way from the prompt to view all available packages from apt |
| 02:26.07 | flg | well yeah, wait for u3 disks and get round the ide until the sys is up, thanks |
| 02:26.22 | eldowan | unlink: use the etch installer, and once you get running upgrade to 64bit? |
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| 02:26.44 | unlink | eldowan: etch installer doesn't have a new enough kernel |
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| 02:27.07 | eldowan | unlink: just a sec |
| 02:27.11 | Azar | unlink: who cares about the latest kernel? see if it works first |
| 02:27.12 | karsten | unlink: chroot install 32bit, upgrade to 64 bit. |
| 02:27.19 | abrotman | unlink: etch installer has 2.6.18 |
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| 02:27.43 | eldowan | Azar: I have had HW that didn't install with the etch installer, and I have to use a custom sarge installer with the 2.6.18 or 2.6.19 kernel |
| 02:27.45 | flg | thanks peeps |
| 02:27.47 | flg | l8r |
| 02:27.49 | flg | ;) |
| 02:28.01 | Azar | eldowan: HW? what is that? |
| 02:28.12 | fantomas | Hi. On my 20Gb hdd which I partitioned using debian installer in automatic mode, /tmp size is only 500Mb, while /home is about 10Gb. Does it mean that 500Mb /tmp is enough for any system? |
| 02:28.15 | timmarhy | how is it that apt-get can resolve a name incorrectly when the rest of the system does it fine? |
| 02:28.16 | unlink | karsten: how do you upgrade to 64 bit (cleanly)? |
| 02:28.29 | eldowan | Azar: hardware |
| 02:28.42 | karsten | unlink: Ask channel. I'm pretty sure it's supported but haven't done it myself. |
| 02:28.53 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: apt-get and libapt just use nslookup. Most likely it's something else that you're seeing causing a rpoblem. |
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| 02:29.21 | dondelelcaro | s/nslookup/gethostbyname/ |
| 02:29.25 | timmarhy | the rest of the system resolves name perfectly |
| 02:29.26 | unlink | how do you upgrade to 64 bit (cleanly)? |
| 02:29.27 | Azar | eldowan: besides sata, 64bit, fireware stuff, what else could be so new that a 2.6.18 can't handle? |
| 02:29.41 | timmarhy | it's just apt that's shit about it |
| 02:29.48 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: which name? how is it misresolving it? what does ping do? |
| 02:29.48 | fantomas | I'me going to install/configure a mysql database server with 80Gb hdd and is thinking how much space I should left for /tmp. Is 500Mb enough? |
| 02:29.50 | eldowan | Azar: it was the nic, and sata drivers that it wouldn't touch |
| 02:29.53 | unlink | i get awful ahci errors with the etch installer |
| 02:30.00 | unlink | it doesn't see my hard drive |
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| 02:30.12 | karsten | fantomas: Should be. Usually even less. |
| 02:30.14 | timmarhy | dondeleclaro - it pings, and resolves properly everytime |
| 02:30.14 | Azar | ewwww the allways "newest" nic firmware that is as new as buggy |
| 02:30.24 | unlink | should i try a daily? |
| 02:30.25 | fantomas | karsten: okay, thank you. |
| 02:30.38 | eldowan | unlink: try here http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 02:30.38 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: which name? What does apt misresolve it to? |
| 02:30.52 | eldowan | unlink: sarge-custom-1115.iso uses 2.6.19 |
| 02:31.00 | timmarhy | apt thinks any server address i put into sources.list resolves to 1.0.0.0 |
| 02:31.10 | unlink | sarge? hmm... |
| 02:31.12 | unlink | weird |
| 02:31.21 | timmarhy | untill i ping that address, then suddenly it works |
| 02:31.28 | eldowan | unlink: install it, then change your sources.list to etch|testing and update; upgrade; dist-upgrade |
| 02:31.34 | eldowan | !when will sarge release |
| 02:31.35 | dpkg | somebody said wwsr was It is released: http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 02:31.37 | karsten | timmarhy: Odd. Sounds like a resolver bug. |
| 02:31.52 | timmarhy | yeah it was driving me batshit as you can imagine |
| 02:32.08 | timmarhy | especially since i used net install |
| 02:32.10 | unlink | eldowan: i plan on simply using it for chroot |
| 02:32.13 | Caelum | anyone know if the small dell desktops like the gx260 have an agp or pci slot for a graphics card? |
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| 02:32.36 | timmarhy | mind you debian is the only distro that even completed an install so thumbs up there |
| 02:32.52 | timmarhy | i'm used to freebsd, which is flawless |
| 02:32.57 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: do you have a proxy set? what does the output of apt-get look like? |
| 02:32.58 | Azar | interesting, your connections might be screwed up, dns maybe |
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| 02:33.16 | abrotman | timmarhy: which mirror are you using ? |
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| 02:33.23 | timmarhy | dond - no proxy, well i guess my dsl router WOULD be called a proxy |
| 02:33.34 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: nah, that'd be a router unless it's doing proxying. |
| 02:33.36 | timmarhy | abrotman - mirror.qld.3fl.net |
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| 02:33.53 | timmarhy | dond - the router has a proxy dns if thats what you meant |
| 02:34.05 | eldowan | unlink: if you need a new kernel to see your HDD, then it should hopefully work for you. |
| 02:34.07 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: and you're using the router's dns server? |
| 02:34.08 | timmarhy | it's doing dhcp for the system |
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| 02:34.16 | timmarhy | yeah, maybe i shouldn't |
| 02:34.18 | unlink | eldowan: thanks for the link |
| 02:34.22 | Azar | ack I remember when I used to use a router, my linux box was not recognized I had to config the router from a win machine |
| 02:34.24 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: try switching that for starters |
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| 02:34.56 | dondelelcaro | it's possible that the router is insanely returning 1.0.0.0 instantly until the dns request has a chance to come back |
| 02:34.59 | eldowan | unlink: yeah, there used to be a dpkg factoid with it, but I think it got "unlink"ed |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | eldowan: that did what ? |
| 02:35.28 | timmarhy | yeah i know it's not the bestest in the world, it doesn't forward MX lookups correctly i know that i had a big email exchange with dlink about THAT little gem |
| 02:35.31 | Azar | timmarhy: is a d-link with a firewall built-in? |
| 02:35.46 | eldowan | abrotman: I don't understand |
| 02:35.54 | abrotman | eldowan: what factoid are you looking for ? |
| 02:36.04 | timmarhy | azar - it's firewall is turned off but i suppose that might not mean much |
| 02:36.06 | eldowan | the one that points here: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 02:36.15 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 02:36.16 | dpkg | well, custom netinst is http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 02:36.16 | timmarhy | a lot of these dsl routers have voodoo magic in them |
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| 02:36.47 | Azar | timmarhy: can you check your d-link settings online? to log some tests? |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | eldowan: the sarge uni should give you more stuff ... |
| 02:37.01 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: hahaha. the MX lookup thing is brilliant. |
| 02:37.09 | eldowan | aaah sarge 2.6.18 was the factoid. |
| 02:37.27 | Caelum | what's the best 2d graphics card for linux? |
| 02:37.42 | timmarhy | donde - i was running my mail server behind it and i couldn't understand why i could recieve but not send emails |
| 02:37.46 | eldowan | Caelum: any with which 2d accelartion is supported on. |
| 02:37.46 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: matrox or ati ones are fairly good |
| 02:37.49 | timmarhy | every mx lookup failed |
| 02:38.07 | timmarhy | i changed the dns server to my isp's, and it worked |
| 02:38.17 | eldowan | stoned: you around? |
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| 02:38.29 | Azar | nah I guess stoned is away tonight |
| 02:38.31 | Caelum | dondelelcaro: do the newer ATI cards work fine with DRI? |
| 02:38.48 | eldowan | Caelum: I have my x1900AIW working with it |
| 02:38.50 | timmarhy | i emiled dlink about it and actually got a reply |
| 02:38.52 | zention | any program used to determine max write speeds of cd writers? |
| 02:38.54 | Caelum | cool :) |
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| 02:38.57 | eldowan | timmarhy: fuck dlink |
| 02:39.01 | timmarhy | yep |
| 02:39.03 | timmarhy | in their ass |
| 02:39.11 | timmarhy | wasted hours of my time on that issue |
| 02:39.31 | Azar | timmarhy: you can't access the online configuration with a linux box.. need a win box |
| 02:39.33 | eldowan | timmarhy: I bought 7 of their IP cameras, and when they broke, they accused me of modding the circuitry, b/c it was impossible that they all broke |
| 02:39.42 | timmarhy | haha |
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| 02:39.55 | eldowan | Azar: I've had good experienced with galeon and dlink equipment |
| 02:40.00 | timmarhy | did you ask for them to show you where you modded it |
| 02:40.13 | eldowan | timmarhy: no, I started screaming at the guy. |
| 02:40.17 | timmarhy | haha |
| 02:40.19 | timmarhy | i would to |
| 02:40.24 | Azar | eldowan: for some reason I never got to be able to login with a linux box.... have no idea why |
| 02:40.31 | karsten | ... as a regex. |
| 02:40.33 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 02:40.33 | timmarhy | like they can't replace them |
| 02:40.43 | eldowan | I don't usually get angry, but when someone acuses me of something like that, over the phone, and a level1 tech. it just made me explode. |
| 02:40.57 | eldowan | Azar: which model? |
| 02:41.10 | timmarhy | if i was that techy i'd just pass that sucker on. level 1 pay isn't worth being yelled at |
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| 02:41.37 | eldowan | timmarhy: I take that back, i think it was level 2 or 3 |
| 02:41.47 | eldowan | and their managed router support sucks balls too |
| 02:41.54 | Azar | eldowan: D-I 604 |
| 02:42.01 | concept10 | anyone knows what that browser identification plug in for firefox is? |
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| 02:42.12 | cluck | hi |
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| 02:42.33 | Azar | old model, but eldowan I can say the customer support was excellent back then.. like 3 years ago |
| 02:42.52 | eldowan | aah, I have had luck with teh 2100 series WAP. |
| 02:43.06 | Caelum | concept10: probably just changes the useragent...you can do that without a plugin too |
| 02:43.07 | concept10 | ive heard of stupid, but turbotax.com only recommends firefox 1.0.7 |
| 02:43.11 | eldowan | Azar: I did hit one gem in dlink, actually knowledgable, and a pleasure to talk to. |
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| 02:43.28 | Azar | concept10: I do my taxes with a pen on mailed forms :) |
| 02:43.35 | Azar | worx |
| 02:43.51 | concept10 | Azar, and slower |
| 02:43.58 | timmarhy | this guy i talked to about my MX problem was pretty good. usually in those call centers you have 50 guys without a clue and just 1 person in the department who carries them all |
| 02:44.08 | Azar | concept10: I get my return in 3 weeks, I am done :) |
| 02:44.15 | concept10 | Azar, try 7 days |
| 02:44.29 | Azar | eh.... I am not bleeding for that money yet |
| 02:44.35 | concept10 | Azar, I am |
| 02:44.44 | Caelum | concept10: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2004/04/24/changinguseragent.html |
| 02:44.47 | concept10 | but ive been sitting on it fortwo weeks |
| 02:44.58 | eldowan | timmarhy: yeah, thats been my experiences with them. I'm just about banning the purchase of dlink equipment for my personal and work needs. |
| 02:45.06 | Azar | eh I finished them in one day |
| 02:45.17 | Caelum | why bother with dlink when there's WRT54G |
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| 02:45.45 | timmarhy | eldowan - for work i'm essentially always using cisco |
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| 02:46.06 | concept10 | Caelum, thanks for the link |
| 02:46.20 | timmarhy | i don't like to penny pinch |
| 02:46.24 | concept10 | Azar, I used to do it that way, matter of fact I wish I had the forms |
| 02:46.31 | eldowan | timmarhy: Neither would I, but I have no budget. |
| 02:46.32 | timmarhy | the people i work for usually ARE tight though |
| 02:46.38 | etrask | karsten: vesa seems to be working much better, thank you |
| 02:47.00 | concept10 | I guess it doesnt help that I have LINUX MUTHERF*CKER as my browser string |
| 02:47.05 | timmarhy | sarge is the latest release of debian isn't it? |
| 02:47.15 | Caelum | heh |
| 02:47.19 | etrask | alright, I'm a moron.... how do I install .deb files? |
| 02:47.30 | Caelum | etrask: sudo dpkg -i file.deb |
| 02:47.32 | zention | any program used to determine max write speeds of cd writers? |
| 02:47.32 | eldowan | timmarhy: latest released, but etch is very stable |
| 02:47.38 | Palish | I have an interesting command to write, if anyone would like to help with a challenge |
| 02:47.40 | etrask | thanks Caelum |
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| 02:47.56 | Palish | I'm trying to write a command which checks a PID file to see if a certain process is running, and if not, run a command |
| 02:48.03 | timmarhy | eldowan - i can install newer apt repo stuff into sarge thought can't i? |
| 02:48.18 | timmarhy | like lastest stable python and xorg? |
| 02:48.18 | Palish | is there some sort of "exists" debian function which checks to see if a process in a PID file is running? |
| 02:48.26 | dondelelcaro | Palish: kill -0 is the command to use. |
| 02:48.32 | Caelum | zention: use a cdwriting program, see how high the write speed will go... |
| 02:48.36 | timmarhy | apt has a similar upgrade method to bsd ports? |
| 02:49.04 | dondelelcaro | Palish: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/base/.bashrc has an example |
| 02:49.09 | eldowan | timmarhy: /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:49.10 | Palish | dondelelcaro: I don't want to kill it though.. |
| 02:49.44 | Palish | ah |
| 02:49.50 | dondelelcaro | Palish: man kill |
| 02:49.52 | timmarhy | i don't need cutting edge stuff just stable and supported |
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| 02:50.30 | zention | Caelum: yes, I suppose that is one way, prefer to use something that most of the windows programs use to determine max speed |
| 02:51.08 | eldowan | timmarhy: the backports factoid should point you in the direction you are looking for. |
| 02:51.10 | chrisjs169 | I finally got Beryl installed (after what....3 hours?) but it can't start, saying that it 'couldn't open display.' Any ideas, or would this be better on the beryl channel/forum? |
| 02:52.24 | Palish | so in a shell script.. I could do |
| 02:52.30 | Palish | if kill -0 $(cat $PIDFILE) |
| 02:52.46 | Palish | that returns true when a process is running? |
| 02:53.20 | dondelelcaro | kill -0 exits with 0 if it would have been possible to send a signal to that process. |
| 02:54.28 | dondelelcaro | (returning true makes no sense in the context of shell programming; things have exit statuses, and 0 is success.) |
| 02:54.34 | eldowan | chrisjs169: I don't think beryl is in debian, so you might not get much in the way of help. Though there is a discussion on beryl on oftc currently |
| 02:54.52 | Palish | dondelelcaro: so it should be if not 0? |
| 02:54.54 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 02:55.26 | dondelelcaro | Palish: no; it's just if kill -0 $(cat $PIDFILE); then dosomething; fi; or similar. |
| 02:55.34 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: for stable, you just use the Debian mantra to keep yourself upgraded. |
| 02:55.36 | dondelelcaro | !debian mantra |
| 02:55.37 | dpkg | somebody said debian mantra was "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
| 02:55.56 | dondelelcaro | timmarhy: you may also find it useful to install apt-cron to have yourself automatically notified when there are security updates to install. |
| 02:56.02 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: I wonder if !moo should be updated to ...join us all... aptitude moo! |
| 02:56.18 | dondelelcaro | well, aptitude moo isn't quite as funny. |
| 02:56.25 | Palish | well I have if sudo kill -0 $(cat $PIDFILE) |
| 02:56.27 | eldowan | yeah, I know. bad joke:D |
| 02:56.31 | Palish | and it only does the action when the process IS running |
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| 02:56.49 | Palish | unless sudo blah doesn't exit with what blah exits with. |
| 02:57.00 | dondelelcaro | Palish: if you want it to happen when the process isn't running, use if ! sudo kill -0 ... |
| 02:57.19 | Palish | oh. so kill -0 happens when a process is running. I was confused by that. |
| 02:57.42 | dondelelcaro | Palish: you really should read man kill; |
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| 02:58.22 | archpollux | hi |
| 02:58.22 | Palish | would you happen to know what command would I use to check and see if a file exists? :) |
| 02:58.29 | dondelelcaro | -e |
| 02:58.35 | dondelelcaro | Palish: help test; |
| 02:58.36 | archpollux | hi |
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| 02:58.47 | archpollux | when i'm using the evdev driver for the keyboard, in KDE the Up Arrow is mapped to Print Screen, anybody knows a fix for this? |
| 02:58.54 | eldowan | Palish: stat <path/to/file> |
| 02:59.06 | eldowan | Palish: or file <path/to/file> |
| 02:59.32 | eldowan | archpollux: I believe xev and key remapping might be of use... |
| 02:59.34 | Commander-Crowe | Hi! I'm in Xubuntu and I'm tring to recompile my kernel |
| 02:59.36 | Palish | eldowan: is there something which returns a 0 or 1 for doesn't exist or exists? |
| 02:59.48 | Commander-Crowe | but i keep getting a unclarafied kernel panic |
| 03:00.00 | Commander-Crowe | it jsut says kernel panic |
| 03:00.12 | dondelelcaro | Palish: that's what test does. |
| 03:00.15 | Commander-Crowe | I used both the normal way and the make-kpkg way |
| 03:00.28 | dondelelcaro | [ -e foofile ]; or test -e foofile; |
| 03:00.32 | Palish | dondelelcaro: okay, I will use test :) thank you. I was confuzzled with stat and file. |
| 03:01.05 | Commander-Crowe | anyone willing to help out? |
| 03:02.14 | archpollux | eldowan: xev doesn't show an KeyPress event for Up Arrow, but it does for Space |
| 03:02.33 | archpollux | it show this instead: |
| 03:02.33 | archpollux | KeymapNotify event, serial 32, synthetic NO, window 0x0, |
| 03:02.33 | archpollux | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.33 | archpollux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:02.52 | archpollux | sorry about that |
| 03:02.58 | archpollux | i'm gonna paste in #flood |
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| 03:07.19 | archpollux | dammit |
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| 03:09.11 | zention | hmmm looks like K3b can do it |
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| 03:11.29 | zention | nvm found the answer |
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| 03:14.23 | dirkson | Hey all. Can someone remind me how to mount something in /mnt so that your average user has read/write access? |
| 03:15.16 | karsten | !rwvfat |
| 03:15.17 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 03:15.41 | karsten | dirkson: otherwise, user-perms within and ext2/3 / reiser or other sane filesystem. |
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| 03:16.05 | krenin | Hello. |
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| 03:16.41 | dirkson | Alrighty : ) (It's a fat32 I'm working with... If I move a directory over there, will its permissions be perserved?) |
| 03:16.49 | dellthinker | I just did a fresh install of apache but cant find the conf file |
| 03:17.03 | amphi | dirkson: fat will not preserve unix perms |
| 03:17.07 | karsten | dirkson: No. |
| 03:17.08 | dellthinker | Is it named under apache.conf or httpd.conf ? |
| 03:17.15 | karsten | dirkson: fat has no concept of user/group/world perms. |
| 03:17.20 | dellthinker | locate and whereis isnt finding neither |
| 03:17.21 | dirkson | karsten, amphi Well, drat. Kinda figured. |
| 03:17.43 | karsten | dirkson: it's got r/w but only as global values. Hence the umask/dmask mount options |
| 03:17.51 | amphi | dirkson: you could tar stuff up and through it on the fat thing |
| 03:18.03 | dirkson | karsten, I kinda hoped that once I moved it back to a linux style partition, it would remember all the old permissions data |
| 03:18.06 | amphi | s/through/throw |
| 03:18.13 | dirkson | amphi, Clever! |
| 03:18.13 | karsten | dirkson: it's got r/w but only as global values. Hence the umask/dmask mount options |
| 03:18.19 | karsten | dirkson: tar for that. |
| 03:18.21 | karrotx | is there a problem with limiting access to a /home/user to 750, and then chowning user:apache ? |
| 03:18.45 | dellthinker | Apache good subject |
| 03:18.56 | dellthinker | Anyone know where the conf file is? |
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| 03:19.09 | karrotx | it's in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 03:19.14 | dellthinker | nope |
| 03:19.21 | Palish | dondelelcaro: Thank you, that worked great! |
| 03:19.28 | Palish | cron job is checking to see if my website's down every 5 minutes now |
| 03:19.29 | dellthinker | It compiled under a different folder |
| 03:19.31 | ttate | Does anyone know where you can recycle those plastic six pack containers? |
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| 03:19.37 | dellthinker | And its not there |
| 03:19.49 | ttate | the ones that kill fishes |
| 03:19.54 | karrotx | dellthinker: `find / -name "httpd.conf"` |
| 03:20.14 | dellthinker | karrotx: tried that, even locate and whereis |
| 03:20.16 | dellthinker | Nothing |
| 03:20.20 | dondelelcaro | ttate: most places will recycle them; you can also use them to make things |
| 03:20.31 | dondelelcaro | best not to buy six packs in the first place, though. |
| 03:20.36 | amphi | ttate: or just don't buy them |
| 03:20.37 | peterS | dellthinker: apache installs its config files in /etc/apache/, apache2 puts them in /etc/apache2/ |
| 03:20.38 | karrotx | dellthinker: `find / -name *pd.co*` |
| 03:20.50 | dirkson | karsten, Does tar automatically tar directories recursively? |
| 03:20.55 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: yes. |
| 03:21.10 | karsten | dirkson: man tar |
| 03:21.17 | karsten | dirkson: I'm outtahere. |
| 03:21.28 | dirkson | karsten, See you! Thanks! |
| 03:21.30 | abrotman | ttate: they don't anymore |
| 03:21.35 | dellthinker | peterS: well for some reason it made /var/apache2 |
| 03:21.35 | dirkson | dondelelcaro, Lovely! : ) Thank you |
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| 03:21.55 | dellthinker | The conf is no where to be found |
| 03:21.59 | peterS | dellthinker: uh are you using Debian? the Debian package does _not_ make /var/apache2 |
| 03:23.35 | dellthinker | peterS: /var/run/apache2 |
| 03:23.48 | dellthinker | And yes its debian |
| 03:23.48 | peterS | oh that has nothing to do with the conf |
| 03:24.01 | dellthinker | I took the old apache off because it was too frustrating to configure |
| 03:24.08 | peterS | the debian package certainly should have created /etc/apache2. if it didn't, I wonder what you are using |
| 03:24.12 | dellthinker | apt-get remove |
| 03:24.34 | dellthinker | The debian package i didnt like |
| 03:24.42 | peterS | oh so you want to do it yourself |
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| 03:24.43 | dellthinker | So i wanted to do it the old fashioned way |
| 03:24.46 | peterS | fine, create your own config file |
| 03:24.58 | dellthinker | Thats what i have to do eh |
| 03:25.05 | peterS | that's what you CHOSE to do |
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| 03:25.16 | peterS | you could have used the debian package instead, but no, you didn't want that |
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| 03:25.43 | dellthinker | Is there some way i can d/l it instead? |
| 03:25.56 | peterS | download _what_? |
| 03:25.58 | etrask | Is there a way to make Linux remount a partition while it's running? (there's nothing on this partition, it shouldn't be a problem) |
| 03:26.00 | dellthinker | The debian package doesnt work like the apache im used to |
| 03:26.17 | dellthinker | the httpd.conf |
| 03:26.32 | peterS | anyway, dellthinker - since you refuse to use the debian package because you like your own way better, don't expect any help about it in this channel. go get your help somewhere else |
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| 03:27.15 | peterS | you know so much about how apache should behave - get the config file from the same place you usually do. or create it from scratch. |
| 03:27.16 | dellthinker | peterS: no. anyway the debian pkg doesnt work the way im used to |
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| 03:27.28 | peterS | so GO GET THE CONFIG FILE YOU ARE USED TO and stop bothering us |
| 03:27.52 | dellthinker | Yeesh, you geek. calm down before you give yourself a heat attack |
| 03:27.59 | dellthinker | heart* |
| 03:28.23 | peterS | I'm confused about you. you think you know how apache is supposed to work ("the way im used to") yet you can't find a httpd.conf file? |
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| 03:28.37 | dellthinker | Wheather its a debian package or not its still a issue. So whatever. |
| 03:28.40 | dellthinker | I'll figure it out |
| 03:28.44 | peterS | you do that |
| 03:29.16 | abrotman | i lost my httpd.conf! |
| 03:29.41 | dellthinker | no you lost your social-life.conf |
| 03:29.48 | dellthinker | peace dweebs |
| 03:29.59 | peterS | a bitchx user. shocking. |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | win32 build! |
| 03:30.49 | peterS | "I got my apache from somewhere else because I don't like how yours is configured. so now I can't figure out how to configure it. help!" |
| 03:31.13 | abrotman | isn't there an RC bug on apache2 in etch about a missing httpd.conf ? |
| 03:31.13 | bintut | anyone here running ejabberd? |
| 03:31.45 | peterS | missing httpd.conf? I don't think so |
| 03:31.57 | abrotman | peterS: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398535 |
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| 03:32.04 | etrask | ...anyway |
| 03:32.13 | etrask | is there a way to remount a partition without rebooting? |
| 03:32.26 | hagg1 | sometimes when I bring up my tty1, I get IP packet logging information leaking into my terminal as if its my keyboard input. I assume this is a bug and not a feature? |
| 03:32.27 | etrask | there's nothing on this partition but I changed the mount options, would like them to take effect without rebooting |
| 03:32.29 | abrotman | peterS: however .. i wasn't following the screaming match .. so i'm not sure what he was whining about ;) |
| 03:32.49 | peterS | abrotman: he isn't using the debian package because it's "not what im used to" |
| 03:33.00 | abrotman | peterS: so why is he asking us about it ? |
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| 03:33.12 | peterS | abrotman: so presumably he built from source or something. which _really_ makes you wonder why he can't find an httpd.conf file, if he has the source |
| 03:33.18 | bintut | is there a way i can connect to ejabberd from a console terminal just for testing? |
| 03:33.30 | abrotman | it's in /usr/local/etc/ :) |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | bintut: centericq |
| 03:34.21 | bintut | abrotman: ah.. using a jabber client for console like that one.. |
| 03:34.32 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:34.43 | bintut | abrotman: i want to test my ejabberd setup if it works now.. |
| 03:34.55 | abrotman | so use a jabber client .. like centericq |
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| 03:35.03 | bintut | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:35.49 | bintut | is there an equivalent service command in debian for checking status like this one ==> service daemon status |
| 03:36.00 | dirkson | "File size limit exceeded" - For what? Samba? Fat32? Tar?!! |
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| 03:39.04 | amphi | dirkson: fat I expect |
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| 03:39.31 | dirkson | amphi, Ah? What size limit does it have? |
| 03:39.51 | amphi | dirkson: 2gb? I forget |
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| 03:40.16 | parsonsd | exit |
| 03:40.23 | parsonsd | *sigh* |
| 03:40.28 | amphi | heh |
| 03:40.40 | dirkson | amphi, That'd do it alright. My FLASH drive is bigger... than..... Ah. Alright then |
| 03:41.11 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: that's why my flash drives are almost all ext2 with no partition table... |
| 03:41.55 | dirkson | dondelelcaro, Gotcha. |
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| 03:46.47 | |zetetic| | hi all. How can I delete a pastebin I have uploaded on http://channels.debian.net/paste ? |
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| 03:47.37 | dirkson | |zetetic|, It should go away automatically, eventually. Why, is there something you don't want seen in it? :D |
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| 03:48.16 | cchanc1 | clint@clint-desktop:~$ sudo ntfsmount /dev/hda2 /media/windows |
| 03:48.16 | cchanc1 | Volume is dirty. |
| 03:48.16 | cchanc1 | Run chkdsk and try again, or use the --force option. |
| 03:48.16 | cchanc1 | Mount failed. |
| 03:48.16 | cchanc1 | How do i run chkdsk |
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| 03:48.21 | |zetetic| | disrkson: yes it is, my ip address. It should go away after how much time? |
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| 03:48.38 | |zetetic| | dirkson: yes it is, my ip address. It should go away after how much time? |
| 03:48.53 | cchanc1 | how many lines am i able to post before getting booted? |
| 03:49.04 | dirkson | |zetetic|, Depends on the pastebin site. I'm not sure about that one- Others drop pastes in anywhere from 1 day to 2 weeks. |
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| 03:50.04 | amphi | |zetetic|: we can all see your ip address... |
| 03:50.16 | hagg1 | cchanc1: use #flood to paste into |
| 03:50.23 | jetscreamer | you ip is showing! |
| 03:50.30 | jetscreamer | !pal |zetetic| |
| 03:51.18 | |zetetic| | dirkson: ok, thanks. I think debian should state on the pastebin site the expire time for the posts |
| 03:52.02 | dirkson | |zetetic|, Aye, true : ) Your ip usually isn't much to worry about- I've got mine statically linked to dirkson.homelinux.com : ) |
| 03:53.56 | |zetetic| | dirkson: ok, thanks. It's really not very important, but it could be the case...and so the pastebins should expire, by default, after a brief period |
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| 03:54.20 | jetscreamer | or at least an option would be nice |
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| 03:55.27 | abrotman | paste.debian.net has one |
| 03:55.31 | abrotman | but the one he said .. doesn't |
| 03:55.35 | dirkson | |zetetic|, Yup : ) |
| 03:55.42 | parsonsd | arg. xterm won't let me use the alt key to swap between channels in irssi. i've set the xterm.eightbitinput & meta sends escape, an then xrdb loads Xresources.what'd i screw up? |
| 03:55.59 | ToxicSun | hello |
| 03:56.07 | abrotman | doesn't irssi use ctrl-p/n ? |
| 03:56.10 | Palish | what's wrong with: #!/usr/bin/env "/home/palish/src/classbug/script/runner -e production" |
| 03:56.23 | Palish | I'm trying to pass the "-e production" part to the program script/runner |
| 03:56.40 | parsonsd | abrotman: "ctrl-p/n"? |
| 03:56.53 | abrotman | in irssi .. to switch windows |
| 03:56.55 | ToxicSun | hello abrotman long time no see |
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| 03:57.00 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: that's just wrong |
| 03:57.05 | dondelelcaro | s/parsond/Palish/ |
| 03:57.05 | abrotman | ToxicSun: hello |
| 03:57.07 | parsonsd | what's p/n? |
| 03:57.16 | abrotman | the letter p and the letter n |
| 03:58.00 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 03:58.00 | abrotman | and the number 5 |
| 03:58.00 | Palish | dondelelcaro: okay.. do you know how to do it? :) |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | Sunny day .. sweeping the clouds away .. |
| 03:58.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: it does, as well as the meta-number stuff |
| 03:58.01 | ToxicSun | abrotman are you knowledgable about etch? |
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| 03:58.01 | dondelelcaro | Palish: is this a shell script? |
| 03:58.01 | abrotman | ToxicSun: depends on the rest of the question :) |
| 03:58.16 | Palish | yeah... script/runner is a script which runs ruby commands |
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| 03:58.37 | Palish | they told me if I wanted to use it to run multiple lines, to make it a script, and use #!/bin/bash/env script/runner |
| 03:58.43 | Palish | but now I can't figure out how to pass arguments to that. |
| 03:58.49 | parsonsd | abrotman, someone in here suggested this bit of messaging to get xterm to stop using printable chars but accept meta key to switch channels |
| 03:58.52 | ToxicSun | well i was running sarge and people told me to uprgade to etch. shortly after my computer crashed... sometime between thanksgiving and christmas. so after using a livecd for about 2 months i installed etch and unlike sarge... it makes my computer slow as shit. |
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| 03:59.10 | dondelelcaro | Palish: you pass arguments to it when you call the original script; ala /foo/bar/thingthathasenvshebang -e production |
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| 03:59.21 | Palish | I tried.. lemme print the results |
| 03:59.22 | quintin | Can I hotplug internal SATA hdd? |
| 03:59.27 | abrotman | ToxicSun: i've not heard anything like that |
| 03:59.31 | parsonsd | this worked, and this is what i have of it.... i did something half asleep to whomp X last night and X quit on me |
| 03:59.33 | abrotman | quintin: depends on the controller |
| 03:59.41 | ToxicSun | i have an older P4 2GHZ with 768 mb ram so I don't see any real problems with my hardware |
| 03:59.42 | Palish | odd..works now |
| 03:59.42 | parsonsd | i must have dozed off on to the keybd |
| 03:59.43 | quintin | what is the worst that will happen? |
| 04:00.03 | abrotman | quintin: crash |
| 04:00.14 | ToxicSun | ok, that was an exaggeration its not slow as shit but its sluggish, abrotman |
| 04:00.14 | dondelelcaro | Palish: if you mean that the script runner has to have options, well, you can specify them right after it, like #!/home/you/foo/script/runner -e production |
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| 04:00.27 | quintin | abrotman: no hardware damage? |
| 04:00.31 | dondelelcaro | using env to run the script is just a craptacular idea when you know the exact path. |
| 04:00.36 | abrotman | quintin: i wouldn't do it |
| 04:00.38 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 04:00.39 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 04:00.47 | Palish | dondelelcaro: it's not that though.. it's #!/bin/bash/env /some/path/to/script/runner |
| 04:00.49 | Palish | (note the space) |
| 04:00.57 | Palish | putting -e production after that seems to fail |
| 04:01.07 | dondelelcaro | Palish: it is just enough. You don't need to use /env at all. |
| 04:01.17 | Palish | oh..I was told to.. |
| 04:01.42 | dondelelcaro | Palish: the only reason why you use /usr/bin/env to execute things is when whatever you're executing is in an unknown location, and you'd like to use PATH to find it. |
| 04:01.53 | Palish | Oh |
| 04:01.57 | Palish | so if it's fully known I don't need that.. |
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| 04:02.08 | dondelelcaro | exactly. |
| 04:02.14 | parsonsd | sunofagun |
| 04:02.21 | Palish | well, that didn't work |
| 04:02.22 | quintin | abrotman: pussy :P |
| 04:02.27 | quintin | guess I'll have to reboot |
| 04:02.38 | Palish | getting syntax errors now.. |
| 04:02.39 | quintin | I droped this 120g hdd a few times and I need to see if it's still alive |
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| 04:02.55 | dondelelcaro | Palish: if you're getting syntax errors, then it's working, but something is wrong with your script. |
| 04:03.06 | Palish | did'nt change that part of it. |
| 04:03.09 | parsonsd | `xrdb -load .Xresources` didn't get run in the initial instance of xterm. |
| 04:03.26 | parsonsd | quintin : are you TRYING to lose bits? |
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| 04:04.26 | unlink | d-i installed lilo and gives me no chance to add parameters to the kernel command line, but i need to pass them to the kernel to boot |
| 04:04.41 | unlink | additionally, i cannot coerce my computer to boot from cd |
| 04:04.51 | dondelelcaro | unlink: lilo is perfectly capable of passing kernel command line options. |
| 04:05.03 | dondelelcaro | unlink: specify the kernel you want to boot, and append the options to it. |
| 04:05.11 | unlink | dondelelcaro: it doesn't wait for me |
| 04:05.17 | dondelelcaro | unlink: hold shift or tab. |
| 04:05.39 | quintin | parsonsd: hmm? |
| 04:06.24 | parsonsd | quintin: just seems like you are trying to force the drive to give off some data (unrecoverably) |
| 04:07.12 | unlink | dondelelcaro: it doesn't change anything |
| 04:07.32 | parsonsd | quintin : well, if you dropped the drive several times, i mean |
| 04:08.24 | unlink | dondelelcaro: i don't even get a menu |
| 04:08.35 | dondelelcaro | unlink: you won't get a menu. You should just get a prompt. |
| 04:08.47 | unlink | dondelelcaro: i don't get one |
| 04:10.08 | dondelelcaro | unlink: and you held shift from the post? |
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| 04:11.34 | unlink | dondelelcaro: yues |
| 04:11.38 | unlink | *yes |
| 04:11.54 | dondelelcaro | unlink: hrm... that definetly doesn't sound like a debian default lilo.conf file. |
| 04:11.54 | unlink | dondelelcaro: i made the mistake of picking XFS for my root FS |
| 04:12.14 | unlink | this is the daily build of the etch installer |
| 04:12.30 | dondelelcaro | unlink: uh... what architecture? |
| 04:12.33 | unlink | amd64 |
| 04:12.51 | dondelelcaro | that should be using grub too. |
| 04:12.59 | unlink | it warned me against using grub |
| 04:13.00 | dondelelcaro | (well, unless you explicitely select lilo) |
| 04:13.24 | unlink | it said often grub doesn't work with an XFS root filesystem |
| 04:13.41 | unlink | at this point, i would love to reinstall my whole system using grub and an ext3 root fs |
| 04:13.49 | unlink | but i cannot get my system to boot anything |
| 04:13.52 | dondelelcaro | yeah, so you specifically selected lilo. ;-) |
| 04:14.02 | unlink | uh, no |
| 04:14.04 | unlink | it selected it for me |
| 04:14.12 | unlink | i tried selecting grub, and it said "no" |
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| 04:14.24 | dondelelcaro | it'll suggest not installing it, but you can trivially override it. |
| 04:14.44 | unlink | the default is not to install it. |
| 04:14.50 | dondelelcaro | only on XFS |
| 04:14.52 | unlink | you can override it, but it suggests not to. |
| 04:14.54 | unlink | right. |
| 04:15.09 | unlink | which is what i chose. |
| 04:15.19 | dondelelcaro | are you using a usb keyboard? |
| 04:15.23 | unlink | yes |
| 04:16.34 | dondelelcaro | is there a bios option to change the type of usb keyboard support you have? [It's possible that lilo isn't able to see it because the bios isn't supporting it like a "normal" ps2 keyboard, and because of that, shift won't interrupt the lilo boot process.] |
| 04:16.45 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, plugging in a ps2 keyboard may help. |
| 04:17.04 | unlink | there is no keyboard option in bios. |
| 04:17.09 | unlink | and, i only have this one keyboard |
| 04:17.25 | dondelelcaro | well, if shift doesn't work, then you'll have to figure out how to boot off of the cdrom. |
| 04:17.27 | unlink | I really hate it. |
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| 04:18.54 | cchanc1 | Volume is dirty. |
| 04:18.54 | cchanc1 | Run chkdsk and try again, or use the --force option. |
| 04:18.55 | cchanc1 | Mount failed |
| 04:19.05 | cchanc1 | How do i run chkdsk |
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| 04:19.56 | Kevin_1 | ADULT FORUM , EXOTICS FORUM ::::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com ... |
| 04:20.22 | cchanc1 | Hello!!! |
| 04:20.25 | cchanc1 | ANY ONE HOME |
| 04:20.31 | unlink | hmm, the machine finally booted |
| 04:20.38 | unlink | i wasn't waiting long enough (30 minutes) |
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| 04:20.54 | unlink | however, i keep getting ata timeouts |
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| 04:21.56 | unlink | tag 0 cmd 0x60 emask 0x4 stat 0x40 err 0x0 timeout |
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| 04:23.00 | hark | cchanc1: uh.. you'll have to boot to Windows to run chkdsk.. |
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| 04:23.10 | azahid | can somebody tell me how to enable mp3 preview in nautilus |
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| 04:24.08 | hark | azahid: it's in preferences somewhere |
| 04:24.09 | cchanc1 | HARK, I cant it wont boot |
| 04:24.36 | azahid | my preference is set correctly in nautilus |
| 04:25.00 | azahid | it is set to preview always |
| 04:25.12 | hark | azahid: i think it depends on mpg123 |
| 04:25.24 | hark | try installing that |
| 04:25.29 | azahid | i have that installed too. |
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| 04:25.36 | _paulfm | I just want to say thanks to everyone who helped me the past 3 days.. my problems are solved |
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| 04:26.11 | hark | cchanc1: what wont boot? |
| 04:26.14 | _paulfm | stew, dendrite to name a few |
| 04:26.40 | _paulfm | a massive thanks to you! |
| 04:27.09 | cchanc1 | Windows |
| 04:27.14 | azahid | any other idea? |
| 04:28.20 | hark | try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 04:29.10 | hark | or ##gnome here |
| 04:29.33 | azahid | thanks |
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| 04:29.46 | dga | is there a sid repository somewhere? |
| 04:30.01 | hark | dga: for what? |
| 04:30.04 | stoned | uhh yeah |
| 04:30.35 | dga | where at? |
| 04:30.43 | hark | !tell dga about sid faq |
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| 04:31.48 | dga | i was told sid images are available somewhere from a third-party |
| 04:31.57 | hark | cchanc1: fix teh windows then.. |
| 04:32.35 | hark | dga: that's not a repository.. |
| 04:32.49 | dga | ok |
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| 04:34.41 | quintin | How do I know if I have PHP with PCRE ??? |
| 04:34.48 | hark | dga: there nmay be unofficial images fo sid, but it dosen't make sense. I'd recommend getting the etch images instead. |
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| 04:35.11 | hark | quintin: phpinfo? |
| 04:35.27 | dga | the kernel in the sid images does not recognize my harddrive |
| 04:35.32 | dga | etch i mean |
| 04:35.42 | hark | dga: both have the same kernel |
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| 04:36.25 | hark | dga: the daily images for etch might have 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.17 for the RC1 |
| 04:37.48 | dga | thank you |
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| 04:44.00 | martibs | how do I make my linux "recognize" the changes I've made in /etc/environment? |
| 04:45.11 | Supaplex | source /etc/environment |
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| 04:46.41 | martibs | Supaplex: aah, thx |
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| 04:50.29 | Supaplex | martibs: np. and FYI, that is the shell, not linux. Eg, bash runs on FreeBSD, Win32, Solaris, and other platforms I'm sure. |
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| 04:52.52 | sander | Anyone know how to remove addons from firefox2 (debian etch)? |
| 04:53.41 | Supaplex | is the addon part of a seperate debian package? |
| 04:53.48 | hark | can't you uninstall them from the Extensions menu? |
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| 04:55.15 | Supaplex | format! reinstall! oh wait, that's windows. |
| 04:55.18 | alterego | I've made a bit of a mess of my DNS configuration. What package installs bind9 configuration files? I really only need the /etc/bind directory to be repopulated. |
| 04:56.08 | hark | should be bind9.. |
| 04:56.16 | hark | !tell alterego about search |
| 04:56.20 | alterego | Hmm .. Doesn't seem to do it. |
| 04:56.31 | hark | !confmiss |
| 04:56.31 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 04:57.07 | alterego | Funky. |
| 04:58.00 | Supaplex | confmiss > purge+reinstall |
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| 05:01.25 | spyroboy | !dpkg unofficial |
| 05:01.31 | spyroboy | bah |
| 05:01.35 | spyroboy | Oh cool |
| 05:01.37 | spyroboy | I foud it anyway |
| 05:01.40 | spyroboy | ^_^ |
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| 05:04.21 | sid | I installed squirrelmail, how can I have it show up at http://localhost ? |
| 05:06.12 | Supaplex | check /etc/apache* for crumbs/includes for squirrelmail. |
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| 05:07.02 | sid | Supaplex: What is a good imap server to use? |
| 05:07.06 | hark | or read /usr/share/doc/ |
| 05:07.22 | sid | yea, I read /usr/share/doc |
| 05:08.02 | Supaplex | I use postfix for smtp, and courier for pop3,pop3+ssl/tls,imap,imap+ssl/tls,sqwebmail |
| 05:08.13 | Supaplex | but, that's just me. YMMV. |
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| 05:10.28 | twobitsprite | what do you all use for backups? |
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| 05:10.47 | krazykit | twobitsprite, tar and an external hard drive |
| 05:11.04 | twobitsprite | krazykit: that's all? |
| 05:11.28 | krazykit | twobitsprite, some people have much much more elaborate backups, but for a very simple full-system backup, yes, that's all |
| 05:11.31 | sid | Supaplex: ok, I install courier-imap and postfix, Where in /etc/apache2? crumbs/includes? where is crumbs? |
| 05:11.38 | scv | should we put our backup data on the soft-raid? |
| 05:12.42 | twobitsprite | krazykit: you back up your whole directory tree? |
| 05:12.50 | Supaplex | crumbs isn't literal |
| 05:13.20 | krazykit | twobitsprite, no. i usually back up a couple folders on my home drive |
| 05:13.21 | scv | krazykit, are you talking about the network storage... save your data on evil g00gle/yah00? |
| 05:13.31 | krazykit | scv, no... |
| 05:13.35 | scv | hahaha |
| 05:13.37 | Supaplex | if you're really running sid, you should have enough handle on how you'd find it. eg, dpkg -L, ar -x foo.deb |
| 05:14.30 | twobitsprite | how is ar different from tar? |
| 05:14.30 | sid | I'm just messing about with a web-based mail server, I've always used yahoo/gmail since I've been using computers and I know very little about the e-mail system. so I wanted to learn a little and set it up |
| 05:15.02 | twobitsprite | sid: how old are you/how long have you been using computers? |
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| 05:15.30 | sid | twobitsprite: I've been using computers for about 5 years. |
| 05:15.36 | scv | oh |
| 05:15.59 | twobitsprite | sid: ahh... right on, your statement just made me think back to the time before google/yahoo, etc |
| 05:17.10 | scv | when was g00gle/yah00 born? |
| 05:17.53 | twobitsprite | not sure, but they sure as hell didn't exist when I was hacking around on my Amiga |
| 05:17.57 | scv | does ar mean "archive"? |
| 05:18.03 | Supaplex | !ar |
| 05:18.03 | dpkg | [ar] argon or a program to create, modify, and extract from archives (man ar), or in binutils, or argentina |
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| 05:18.16 | scv | lol |
| 05:18.53 | Supaplex | a little information overload there... yea, just archive. man ar =) ar (1) - create, modify, and extract from archives |
| 05:19.09 | scv | I guess ar was useful in the unix time |
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| 05:19.21 | Supaplex | it's still used today |
| 05:19.29 | debfanman | does the source from kernel-source-2.6.8 already have the patches from kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 applied? |
| 05:19.31 | twobitsprite | but, it sounds a lot like tar... I'm wondering what the difference is |
| 05:20.01 | Supaplex | eg, one storage format for libs use it to pack their object files. |
| 05:20.50 | scv | I saw the ar description on my recycled old unix handbooks |
| 05:20.56 | scv | o.o |
| 05:21.24 | debfanman | nobody build debianized kernel around here? |
| 05:21.29 | Supaplex | I'm sure you saw C, atleast one shell, shell scripting, perl, and a handfull of other stuff. :) |
| 05:21.34 | Supaplex | !tell debfanman -about kp |
| 05:21.56 | Supaplex | debfanman: itchy trigger finger. hold on :) (reading backlog) |
| 05:21.56 | scv | I guess ar is the black wizardry for slackware guys now |
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| 05:22.36 | theblue | ar? |
| 05:22.41 | scv | ... |
| 05:22.43 | Supaplex | debfanman: you could download both sources and compare. I don't have first hand knowledge of your question, I'd have to do the same. |
| 05:22.48 | theblue | Ah. |
| 05:22.50 | debfanman | Supaplex: doesnt help much. im curious as to if the patches from kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 are already applied to that? |
| 05:22.51 | sander | die die!.. if it was possible to do rm -rf /*flash* I whould do it!. |
| 05:22.52 | Supaplex | theblue: as in /usr/bin/ar |
| 05:23.00 | theblue | scv: Sorry. |
| 05:23.02 | sander | can someone help me remove flash from firefox2? |
| 05:23.08 | sander | libflashplayer.so <--!! |
| 05:23.10 | scv | hahaha, never mind |
| 05:23.14 | Supaplex | debfanman: any specific patch in mind? |
| 05:23.15 | theblue | scv: Would you like a beer to make up for it? |
| 05:23.41 | ChompWzrd | scv: debian packages use ar |
| 05:24.02 | debfanman | Supaplex: nope. just curious if they are applied. do you not know? |
| 05:24.09 | sid | hmm, I still can't seem to get localhost to show squirrelmail |
| 05:24.20 | scv | flash is nothing for seamonkey/firefox, you just need to do a link by yourself |
| 05:24.36 | Supaplex | debfanman: read what I just said. |
| 05:24.45 | scv | theblue, beer? |
| 05:24.51 | debfanman | Supaplex: you didnt answer the question though :/ |
| 05:24.53 | theblue | scv: Yes. |
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| 05:25.01 | theblue | scv: Combustible beverage. |
| 05:25.14 | scv | no clue |
| 05:25.45 | parsonsd | "Combustible beverage" hahah |
| 05:25.46 | Supaplex | debfanman: one minute manager. (read it someday). "I don't have first hand knowledge of your question." = No, I do not know. Was that so hard to understand? |
| 05:25.51 | debfanman | Supaplex: you send me a link telling me about the programs that make kernel images and apply patches, not if the patches from kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 are already applied to kernel-source-2.6.8. |
| 05:25.54 | parsonsd | proper autofuel |
| 05:26.11 | debfanman | Supaplex: ill give you a minute to read |
| 05:26.40 | theblue | scv: Hand-made? |
| 05:27.21 | spiritraveller | a poll... which browser is better, iceweasel or firefox? I'm voting iceweasel because it has a cooler name and a better icon. |
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| 05:27.28 | debfanman | Supaplex: if you need help, try: apt-cache show kernel-source-2.6.8, then try: apt-cache show kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 |
| 05:27.37 | scv | well, I have a quick question. what's the most stable kernel in the 2.6.x branch? |
| 05:27.45 | scv | how do you think? |
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| 05:27.51 | twobitsprite | spiritraveller: no way d00d firefox is teh shizit foo |
| 05:28.04 | scv | twobitsprite, ??? |
| 05:28.30 | scv | twobitsprite, I have used IE7, it sucks more |
| 05:28.48 | spiritraveller | IE7 definitely sucks big donkey balls |
| 05:28.53 | scv | hahaha |
| 05:29.00 | twobitsprite | scv: hmm... I thought was was being exaggerative enough to ensure everyone caught the sarcasm... |
| 05:29.14 | debfanman | anyone know if the multiple patches in kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 are already applied to the source tarball from the package kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 05:29.25 | debfanman | seems to be a tough one :( |
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| 05:30.07 | twobitsprite | debfanman: I think it would stand to reason to assume they were already applied, unless there was a seperate package for the patches |
| 05:30.09 | debfanman | wow, dont usually have to use a mailing list for package questions :( |
| 05:30.10 | spiritraveller | I tried running Vista and it locked up in the first 30 seconds... not joking at all. |
| 05:30.21 | concept10 | concept10 |
| 05:30.26 | twobitsprite | twobitsprite |
| 05:30.30 | scv | I think 2.6.8 is too old... |
| 05:30.32 | concept10 | oops |
| 05:30.34 | spiritraveller | spiritraveller |
| 05:30.36 | Supaplex | debfanman: one last thought. /msg dpkg repeat (eg, nobody answers = we don't know). learn diff, and you'll find some hints. If you want the newest and latest and greatest, you're barking up a sorrowful tree. |
| 05:30.58 | debfanman | twobitsprite: well, the packge for the pacthes says they can only be applied to the orig tarball for 2.6.8, i assume thats the kernel-source-2.6.8 package? |
| 05:31.13 | Supaplex | debfanman: at any rate, good idea with the mailing list. best of luck. |
| 05:31.25 | concept10 | My expert IT advice of the year: Do not ever buy a wireless mouse |
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| 05:31.37 | twobitsprite | debfanman: I would assume that "original tarball" refers to the tarball retrieved from kernel.org |
| 05:31.44 | concept10 | not even for $1.00 |
| 05:31.45 | debfanman | Supaplex: repeat? cause i asked if someone else knew because i gave up on you? :( |
| 05:31.48 | Supaplex | I doubt there's any package that's a pristine kernel, unless it was make fro kp. |
| 05:31.50 | scv | some new hardware (after 2003) even cannot be supported on 2.6.8 |
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| 05:32.15 | debfanman | twobitsprite: no, they spifically mention not the vanilaa 2.6.8 |
| 05:32.27 | Supaplex | debfanman: we're making progress now, only because you are more specific then earlier |
| 05:32.30 | spiritraveller | I have a wireless mouse that I'm quite fond of... a bit paranoid for the wireless keyboard though. |
| 05:32.38 | twobitsprite | debfanman: how does that preclude the 2.6.8 retrieved from kernel.org? |
| 05:33.02 | debfanman | Supaplex: i just rephrased the question so you could seemingly understand it, nothing new was added to the original question though. :/ you ok? |
| 05:33.06 | concept10 | spiritraveller, the amount of money I spent on batteries was insane |
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| 05:33.23 | debfanman | twobitsprite: sec, ill grab a paste, brb |
| 05:33.28 | concept10 | spiritraveller, but the keyboard still has the original batts (2 months) |
| 05:33.43 | Supaplex | debfanman: ok, fine. |
| 05:33.49 | twobitsprite | concept10: I would recommend a rechargable mouse |
| 05:33.56 | scv | spiritraveller, I used to consider these so-called "wireless" mouses/keyboards = the un-licence bluetooth |
| 05:34.16 | spiritraveller | looking for a solar-powered mouse |
| 05:34.16 | insmod | concept10: all my wireless kb and mice work great |
| 05:34.17 | twobitsprite | one that has a craddle... just drop it in there everynow-and-then for a smoke/coffee/heroine/whatever break |
| 05:34.26 | scv | spiritraveller, I used to consider these so-called "wireless" mouses/keyboards = the un-licence bluetooth |
| 05:34.36 | timmarhy | do your self a favour, and don't ever own a wireless kb/mouse |
| 05:34.38 | concept10 | they work great, just ate 8 batteries a week |
| 05:34.49 | timmarhy | all they lead to is pain |
| 05:34.49 | insmod | concept10: i even got the hotkeys working |
| 05:34.50 | scv | O.o |
| 05:34.52 | alterego | The /var/named directory is missing where the chroot env is supposed to be. Is there a way to install what is required? |
| 05:35.05 | insmod | concept10: rechargable -- and not that bad |
| 05:35.05 | concept10 | insmod, my hotkeys work well too |
| 05:35.34 | concept10 | insmod, no thanks buddy, gimme a logitech with a cord everytime |
| 05:35.34 | debfanman | twobitsprite: says that the patch file contains the patchs used for packaged 2.6.8 source. i assume that means that they are applied to kernel-source-2.6.8 and thus dont need to be installed? |
| 05:35.43 | timmarhy | the problem i had with the recharge ones, is the contacts wore down in the cradle where you sat the mouse |
| 05:35.45 | twobitsprite | hmm... does cron like ~ in paths in crontabs? |
| 05:35.53 | danf_1979 | Is there any way I could dump a list of all installed packages? |
| 05:36.02 | timmarhy | corded is way better, and more responsive |
| 05:36.11 | twobitsprite | debfanman: you're asking the wrong person, I was just stating my assumptions |
| 05:36.16 | insmod | concept10: i need it because i wired an svideo cable to the tv upstairs so the wireless is needed |
| 05:36.21 | debfanman | twobitsprite: ok, thanks |
| 05:36.35 | spiritraveller | it does seem that the batteries always run out at the worst possible times. |
| 05:36.53 | twobitsprite | debfanman: you could always try to apply the patches and if patch tells you "it seems as though this patch is already applied" well... ... |
| 05:37.13 | scv | insmod, you can just buy another good tv |
| 05:37.24 | timmarhy | i'm talking to you on a 70" hd tv right now, what i did was i strapped a k/b to a board with a little room on the side for a mouse, and i put a small usb hub on the board and ran an extention to the computer |
| 05:37.31 | debfanman | twobitsprite: well, i figure that would be a bug in the "description" if i was forced to debug something just to get a simple question answered ;) |
| 05:37.42 | timmarhy | it works so well |
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| 05:38.01 | JoelR | Hi, is there a tcp wrappers package in testing? |
| 05:38.04 | insmod | concept10: ? how does that help when my computer is a floor away |
| 05:38.05 | scv | 70" o.o |
| 05:38.12 | twobitsprite | debfanman: as my mamma used to say, "quitchyerbitching" |
| 05:38.18 | insmod | scv: ? how does that help when my computer is a floor away |
| 05:38.20 | insmod | sorry |
| 05:38.21 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 05:38.25 | n0dl | twobitsprite: lucky |
| 05:38.28 | n0dl | my mom just slaps me |
| 05:38.36 | timmarhy | insmod, you can run a cable down and put a usb point in the wall still |
| 05:38.40 | twobitsprite | n0dl: well... my mom would say that after slapping me |
| 05:38.48 | timmarhy | it'd work better i imagine |
| 05:38.58 | timmarhy | scv - jealousy is an ugly emotion haha |
| 05:39.06 | spiritraveller | (wishing I had a 70" LCD)... ahh someday. |
| 05:39.13 | debfanman | twobitsprite: i can see it now, 5 years from now ill graduate some univerity with a degree in computers just cause i had to become a programmer because i hand in to preinstall, test, debug and troublshoot every app in debian before i decided on its use simply becuase of lackin descriptions ;p |
| 05:39.15 | timmarhy | yeah it's pretty sweet |
| 05:39.17 | insmod | timmarhy: wireless works fine |
| 05:39.18 | scv | hahaha |
| 05:39.21 | JoelR | Hi, is there a tcp wrappers package in testing? |
| 05:39.42 | timmarhy | insmod - how do you find it's responsivness though? i play games on mine wireless would drive me nuts |
| 05:39.42 | concept10 | omg, there is no experience better than a new third mouse wheel. The tactile feel of a new microswitch. Im in heaven! |
| 05:40.05 | concept10 | insmod, in that case use wireless |
| 05:40.06 | scx | hello, I can detect with Nessus an open port in my firewall but I don't see anything listening there |
| 05:40.20 | timmarhy | plus, i can plug in a usb headset to my hub |
| 05:40.31 | insmod | timmarhy: the best was a logitec wireless ps/2 i use a microsoft one now -- not as good |
| 05:40.35 | scx | how can I check what is running there? netstat -l didn't show anything for that port |
| 05:41.02 | twobitsprite | debfanman: I know it's so horrible, it's a wonder anyone ever uses it... sometimes when I look at the description of a package, its even drawn in crayon... I usually just end up blindly installing packages and then smashing my keyboard until something interesting happens |
| 05:41.03 | spiritraveller | what is the best way to get a keyboard's multimedia keys working? Using XFCE as desktop. |
| 05:41.05 | timmarhy | what i hate atm is how they are putting all the features into wireless mice |
| 05:41.20 | twobitsprite | debfanman: seriously though, your dramatism falls on deaf ears around here. it's really not that bad |
| 05:41.31 | twobitsprite | debfanman: man reportbug if you thinks it's really a problem |
| 05:41.36 | scx | I am not even sure it is a false alarm 'cause it sais Windows syslog but I'm not in Windows and VMware is down |
| 05:41.36 | debfanman | twobitsprite: you heard it oh' deaf one ;p |
| 05:41.47 | timmarhy | xfce ftw i'm installing it right now, used it for years on my fbsd system |
| 05:41.51 | concept10 | see you fellas later, time to test out this new mouse across someones ass in true combat |
| 05:42.04 | benje | scx, netstat -tnaup and fuser -v -n tcp 988 if tcp port number 988 |
| 05:42.09 | concept10 | xfce is friggin great |
| 05:42.16 | concept10 | they make the best apps |
| 05:42.30 | spiritraveller | it's so light and functional at the same time |
| 05:42.41 | nvz | I encountered an error upgrading, not sure what to do http://channels.debian.net/paste/5254 |
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| 05:43.34 | concept10 | nvz, first off make sure you dont have a cordless mouse |
| 05:43.49 | nvz | concept10: nope |
| 05:43.59 | nvz | what the hell does a cordless mouse have to do with anything :P |
| 05:44.00 | twobitsprite | nvz: is your refigerater running? |
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| 05:44.05 | concept10 | heh |
| 05:44.11 | twobitsprite | !spelling-lessons |
| 05:44.13 | twobitsprite | damn |
| 05:44.23 | nvz | heh |
| 05:44.36 | spiritraveller | their terminal is great too. in fullscreen it fits on top of everything... you can get rid of the menubar and it's like being on a console... but when you switch to another desktop app you can see the bottom of the term as things scroll-by... very handy. |
| 05:44.42 | concept10 | nvz, I looked, I dont have an answer buddy |
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| 05:44.58 | nvz | concept10: I'm not sure wtf that even means :P |
| 05:45.01 | concept10 | spiritraveller, we think the same way |
| 05:45.05 | nvz | 2.6.1620060622 |
| 05:45.16 | timmarhy | concept - i've tried every desktop out there and xfce is by far the cleanest and fastest |
| 05:45.23 | twobitsprite | nvz: sounds like a kernel snapshot or something? |
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| 05:45.34 | concept10 | spiritraveller, Thunar is the fastest GUI file manager |
| 05:45.37 | twobitsprite | (although, I didn't look at the paste, just guessing) |
| 05:45.38 | timmarhy | gnome was a nightmare |
| 05:45.45 | bamzin | hi.. i've just finished installing debian on my laptop and the ethernet chipset cant be recognised. anyone can help me? 'lspci' says that my chipset is a "marvell technology goup.. Unknown device 4352.." |
| 05:45.47 | timmarhy | kde was bloated up good |
| 05:45.57 | siimo | concept10: yeah it is but it still has some bugs / issues with copy paste etc |
| 05:46.01 | nvz | twobitsprite: thats my uname -r the paste shows the error |
| 05:46.01 | timmarhy | twm is too sparse |
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| 05:46.17 | sander | Anyone know how to remove a flash plugin from firefox? |
| 05:46.19 | nvz | twobitsprite: says something about the glibc upgrade failing because the kernel revision was expected to be lower than 255 or some shit |
| 05:46.21 | timmarhy | siimo - i don't find any issues? |
| 05:46.27 | twobitsprite | timmarhy: fluxbox works great for me |
| 05:46.34 | timmarhy | yeah flux is ok |
| 05:46.42 | timmarhy | pretty light |
| 05:46.46 | spiritraveller | sander: delete the files from ~/.mozilla/plugins if that's where they are installed |
| 05:46.49 | siimo | timmarhy: when i copy a file from desktop and try to paste it into thunar it seems its not in clipboard then i have to copy again and it works |
| 05:46.55 | twobitsprite | sander: you might have better luck in ##firefox or something |
| 05:46.58 | nvz | personally I dont see what any of these things have to do with one another |
| 05:46.59 | siimo | its a bit random |
| 05:47.04 | concept10 | siimo, I copy/paste files by dragging them into the navigation boxes, its so nice |
| 05:47.14 | siimo | sander: how did you install it |
| 05:47.15 | concept10 | and it has mouse gestures |
| 05:47.16 | sid | I'm getting "ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server." from localhost/squirrelmail, What is a simple way to test if my imap is working? |
| 05:47.18 | timmarhy | oh file copy, yeah i've never used that i guess |
| 05:47.26 | sid | courier-imap that is |
| 05:47.44 | siimo | concept10: that doesnt work either sometimes... especially with desktop thunar to thunar is ok but desktop to thunar is sometimes flaky |
| 05:48.10 | sander | spiritraveller, thanks.. was about the only directory I overlooked.. damn.. and I used locate to try to find it. |
| 05:48.15 | concept10 | siimo, make sure you have the newest version 0.8 .. one oh is coming soon |
| 05:48.32 | sander | siimo, I installed it from http://www.adobe.com/go/getflashplayer |
| 05:48.48 | siimo | 0.8 has been out since 4.4 release that i compiled myself i dont use the one in apt |
| 05:49.05 | nvz | ugh my box is probably toast.. heh |
| 05:49.25 | siimo | sander: as user? its probably in your ~/.mozilla/plugins or something similar |
| 05:49.40 | concept10 | siimo, i havent had any problems with the new version. You may want to try PCman file manager also |
| 05:49.50 | sander | siimo, yeap. I figured it out. was in that directory. |
| 05:50.02 | sander | siimo, do you know if the .tgz and the .rpm is the only way to install firefox2? |
| 05:50.13 | sander | ops.. install the flash plugin for firefox2 |
| 05:50.21 | sander | the new version 9 plugin. |
| 05:50.23 | siimo | sander: huh? its in debian's archive |
| 05:50.48 | insmod | sander: i have it |
| 05:50.54 | siimo | sander: oh wait but i run sid .. you might be running stable? |
| 05:50.58 | concept10 | the best way to install flash is get rid of all old libraries and copy the library into the directories yourself |
| 05:51.02 | sander | siimo, I run etch |
| 05:51.03 | spiritraveller | if you creat the plugins directory under .mozilla it will install with firefox's plugin installer |
| 05:51.29 | siimo | sander: it should be called iceweasel but installing firefox should still do it |
| 05:51.31 | concept10 | and get rid of gnash |
| 05:51.44 | sander | siimo, yeah.. I got iceweasle.. and firefox2. |
| 05:51.47 | spiritraveller | s/firefox/iceweasel/ |
| 05:51.58 | siimo | iceweasel is firefox 2 |
| 05:52.13 | sander | ah.. ok. |
| 05:52.20 | sander | ofc. |
| 05:52.36 | insmod | spiritraveller: 9 never had an installer for me |
| 05:52.38 | siimo | because mozilla didnt allow debian to use the name as debian adds its custom patches to firefox |
| 05:53.41 | twobitsprite | siimo: I thought it had to do more with the copyright of the logo...? |
| 05:53.41 | concept10 | spiritraveller, the only reason I dont use xfce full time is because the fonts are weird, some are too big, and some of too small |
| 05:53.54 | stoned | concept10, I use kde and the fonts are great |
| 05:54.21 | concept10 | stoned, I see the fonts are nice on my qt apps, they look so smooth and detailed |
| 05:55.27 | concept10 | the roller on this mouse has a rocker (for left and right) I wonder how to config this with firefox (nice pron browsing) |
| 05:55.53 | stoned | lol |
| 05:56.01 | spiritraveller | jeez, this whole time I thought when people's names were yellow that they were messaging me... I guess it just highlights when my name is in the message. (using irssi) |
| 05:56.16 | stoned | spiritraveller, yes |
| 05:56.21 | timmarhy | really oyu had font problems in xfce4? |
| 05:56.36 | timmarhy | could be a debian thing? fbsd was perfect |
| 05:56.40 | stoned | I stopped liking gtk so I don't use xfce |
| 05:56.51 | stoned | if it wasn't for kde i'd use xfce.. I never had problems with it |
| 05:56.54 | concept10 | I think I just screwed the font config |
| 05:56.54 | stoned | it was great |
| 05:57.04 | siimo | i <3 gtk2 |
| 05:57.06 | spiritraveller | concept10, I installed from the Etch - XFCE install cd and fonts are great |
| 05:57.08 | stoned | xfce is bomb |
| 05:57.11 | siimo | except for its file picker |
| 05:57.19 | stoned | yes |
| 05:57.21 | concept10 | both of them make me mad |
| 05:57.23 | stoned | horrible dialog design |
| 05:57.29 | stoned | kde is sane |
| 05:57.37 | siimo | wish they'd just copy windows like kde's |
| 05:57.39 | concept10 | KDE > too many options GTK > not enough options |
| 05:57.48 | stoned | too many is never a bad thing |
| 05:57.48 | sander | siimo, any idea where I should install the flash plugin? |
| 05:58.02 | sander | siimo, like /usr/lib/mozilla |
| 05:58.06 | timmarhy | is there a way from the command line that i can see what packages are avaliable through my apt-get repo |
| 05:58.08 | concept10 | sander, do this: locate libflash |
| 05:58.11 | stoned | I run a very very small kde. not even kde core.. just whatever I need |
| 05:58.20 | siimo | sander: depends.. i just copy mine into /opt/firefox/plugins cos i install my firefox myself |
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| 05:58.22 | stoned | and its fast a shit man |
| 05:58.33 | stoned | for a modern machine it is not bloatware |
| 05:58.37 | concept10 | sander, and remove the old libraries, and install the new ones wherever you see it |
| 05:58.52 | stoned | yeah, don't expect it to run good on p2 with 128m ram |
| 05:59.14 | sander | concept10, I just removed every libflash plugin on the system. But locate didnt index my home dirs.. so I didnt find it untill 2 min ago. |
| 05:59.22 | siimo | i run xfce4.4 + abiword + firefox 2.0.0.1 + gaim + audacious on this lightweight system |
| 05:59.30 | concept10 | sander, Ive got libflash in six different folders |
| 05:59.32 | scv | lol |
| 05:59.41 | stoned | concept10, lol |
| 05:59.48 | stoned | man |
| 05:59.49 | scv | I like abiword |
| 05:59.56 | scv | abiword > oo.o |
| 05:59.57 | stoned | I just watched the return of the kind |
| 06:00.01 | stoned | the end of this movie is so sad |
| 06:00.04 | stoned | I almost wept |
| 06:00.07 | stoned | :( |
| 06:00.08 | sander | concept10, yeah.. same here.. I've been removing libflash plugins for a long time now ;-) |
| 06:00.14 | concept10 | but everything works |
| 06:00.16 | stoned | someone cheer me up |
| 06:00.38 | scv | can I ask oo.o to get rid of java? |
| 06:00.47 | stoned | sure |
| 06:00.49 | stoned | ask away |
| 06:01.10 | spiritraveller | did sun release java under gpl yet? |
| 06:01.14 | sander | concept10, does the flashplugin on passit.no work.. I had problems with that one before.. even with the version 9 plugin (I dont know if I had an old plugin hanging around). |
| 06:01.40 | concept10 | sander, passit.no ? whats that? |
| 06:01.46 | sander | concept10, I managed to get the passit.no to work on firefox1.. but not on firefox2 |
| 06:01.55 | scv | it would be funny, they took out java and put back python |
| 06:01.57 | insmod | sander: you have to remove the old one |
| 06:02.01 | scv | hahaha |
| 06:02.01 | sander | concept10, its a norwegian record label website. |
| 06:02.15 | scx | netstat -tnaup and fuser -v -n tcp 514 netstat -nap | grep 514 doesn't show anything listening to that port, but nessus still detects it |
| 06:02.20 | sander | insmod, yeah. think i've done that now.. trying to install the new one again now :-) |
| 06:02.29 | concept10 | what the hell is that? |
| 06:02.33 | sander | insmod, at the moment.. NO flash plugins works. |
| 06:02.36 | scx | it's udp btw, |
| 06:03.02 | insmod | sander: where are cp it to |
| 06:03.07 | sander | concept10, the flash player is on the right. does it work? |
| 06:03.17 | cchanc1 | How do i view my partinos |
| 06:03.24 | sander | insmod, I dont know where to install the plugins. |
| 06:03.29 | scv | is port 514 a trojan port? |
| 06:03.36 | Supaplex | with a big microscope |
| 06:03.54 | concept10 | sander, works for me |
| 06:03.54 | spiritraveller | flash makes me mad... the videos are all I need it for... and usually I can get those without it. |
| 06:03.57 | sander | think I found out. |
| 06:03.57 | Supaplex | scv: udp or tcp? I think udp is syslog, but grep /etc/services to find out. |
| 06:04.16 | concept10 | sander, im telling you how to do it, dont fight it! |
| 06:04.20 | scv | iirc, 514 is the "submission"? |
| 06:04.22 | Supaplex | cchanc1: fdisk |
| 06:04.27 | concept10 | copy paste copy paste |
| 06:04.29 | sander | concept10, okok. hehe :-p |
| 06:04.31 | concept10 | /home/concept10/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so /home/concept10/.netscape/plugins/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 06:04.33 | spiritraveller | gnash will be great when it's done... just turn that junk off when I don't want to see it. |
| 06:04.42 | sander | /usr/lib/firefox was not the right path to install the flash plugin into. |
| 06:05.09 | siimo | /usr/lib/iceweasel maybe? |
| 06:05.10 | scv | flash has a bad installer... |
| 06:05.15 | scx | Supaplex: yes, syslog |
| 06:05.16 | n0dl | sander: you can just cp it to the plugins folder of firefox just locate firefox | grep plugins |
| 06:05.23 | n0dl | scx: indeed |
| 06:05.29 | concept10 | and another: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 06:05.40 | insmod | sander: /usr/lib/mozilla mozilla-firefox etc or ~.mozilla/plugins ~.firefox/plugins |
| 06:05.41 | scx | udp, but do I really need it? and it is a real danger? |
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| 06:05.49 | concept10 | unless you want to use symlinks |
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| 06:05.57 | scx | I mean, if I need it listening to udp |
| 06:06.06 | scv | you can use flash9 on seamonkey/firefox, I am sure |
| 06:06.11 | concept10 | I posted all of the directories, you put new flash there, flash works everywhere |
| 06:06.25 | hark | just install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 06:06.28 | sander | n0dl, insmod, concept10: Now I just managed to install the plugin. |
| 06:06.29 | insmod | sander: /usr/lib/ is for everyone -- and ~.xxx/plugins is user |
| 06:06.35 | Supaplex | scx: no, not unless you have other machines using remote syslog. danger is low, worst that would happen is lots of noise in your syslogs, fill up /var/log/... |
| 06:06.38 | scv | scx, you can just turn it off |
| 06:06.48 | sander | insmod, damn, I used the .xxx one ;) |
| 06:07.05 | insmod | sander: that is just for that user |
| 06:07.09 | sander | j/k.. /usr/lib/iceweasel works perfect |
| 06:07.11 | concept10 | sander, what is passit.no, is that your site? |
| 06:07.15 | mboso | how can i set it so that only the tasks for each work space are shown? I don't want all tasks from all workspaces in my taskbar |
| 06:07.27 | scx | Supaplex: I better do, it is useless if I have a single not networked machine right? |
| 06:07.30 | sander | insmod, hehe.. and I belived you had an hidden porn dir there.. hehe ;-p |
| 06:07.31 | scv | awesome flash!!! you would need flash for utube :P |
| 06:07.34 | scx | just to be sure... |
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| 06:07.49 | siimo | flash 9 is in contrib |
| 06:07.51 | insmod | sander: that too |
| 06:07.54 | spiritraveller | you can watch youtube vids without flash |
| 06:07.55 | Supaplex | scx: yea, filter it. no biggie. |
| 06:07.59 | scx | I came bored about utube... |
| 06:08.01 | hark | mboso: gnome/kde or ? |
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| 06:08.10 | scx | Supaplex: oki |
| 06:08.12 | scv | I wish we had a free flash clone... |
| 06:08.13 | scx | :) |
| 06:08.15 | sander | concept10, its not mine site, but someone I know runs it. |
| 06:08.21 | mboso | hark: sorry, thought i was in the gnome channle. gnome |
| 06:08.35 | concept10 | sander, they need some of my hard hitting beats on there |
| 06:08.43 | spiritraveller | gnash gnash gnash - it's in unstable |
| 06:08.47 | scx | there should be an opensource flash, after all flash is made from standards |
| 06:09.02 | sander | concept10, tell me, I was supposed to help them abit with a few things... like web. |
| 06:09.11 | spiritraveller | though it's far from being good enough yet |
| 06:09.13 | scv | flash can do a ton of works with little code |
| 06:09.30 | sander | concept10, I still cant get the flash player on passit.no to work. |
| 06:09.35 | scx | but abuse of flash is nasty |
| 06:09.46 | concept10 | sander, re-start your browser |
| 06:09.49 | scv | sander, hahaha, a loser |
| 06:09.54 | sander | concept10, I've done it. |
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| 06:10.13 | sander | concept10, for 2 min ago.. NO flash site worked. |
| 06:10.18 | concept10 | sander, sometimes flash is stupid, ive had to log out and back in |
| 06:10.24 | scv | odd |
| 06:10.26 | sander | concept10, means i've removed every flash plugin |
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| 06:10.28 | concept10 | sometimes ive had to reboot |
| 06:10.44 | scv | sander, did you logout first? |
| 06:11.05 | insmod | sander: works here |
| 06:11.09 | sander | scv, kidding.. log out.. maybe you want me to reboot too :-p |
| 06:11.17 | sander | insmod, your using firefox2? |
| 06:11.21 | scv | hahaha |
| 06:11.29 | scv | dude, this is not windows |
| 06:11.33 | sid | How can I test courier-imap and see if it's working properly? |
| 06:11.35 | concept10 | flash is a stubborn proprietary bastard sometimes |
| 06:11.42 | insmod | sander: no mozilla with flash9 |
| 06:11.46 | pstickne | s/sometimes// |
| 06:11.49 | sander | insmod, since I tried it in forefox1.. and got it to work. |
| 06:11.51 | insmod | sander: should still work |
| 06:12.04 | sander | dosnt work in firefox2 |
| 06:12.19 | scv | at this time, I am tired of installing java on linux/bsd |
| 06:12.30 | insmod | sander: ya you just don't have the right plugins dir |
| 06:12.39 | scv | who is using java now? |
| 06:12.44 | siimo | sander: what are you doing you shouldn't have multiple versions of firefox on your system.. they will all use one profile and **** it up |
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| 06:13.08 | scv | I guess... flash would be a java-killer |
| 06:13.09 | sander | siimo, I didnt install firefox1.. I just ran it from inside the source directory. |
| 06:13.24 | siimo | sander: doesnt matter it will still use the same profile |
| 06:13.27 | hark | mboso: ah, you can right click the window list applet and set it there, iirc |
| 06:13.37 | concept10 | someone explain this to me. I buy a microsoft mouse, plug it in with linux it works right out the box, boot up windows and it has to call home to mama and search for drivers? |
| 06:14.00 | sander | siimo, then explain why it worked within firefox1.. but not firefox2 |
| 06:14.05 | scv | my m$ mouse is working well o.o |
| 06:14.20 | spiritraveller | what does a mouse need drivers for? |
| 06:14.22 | siimo | sander: because you may have put the plugin inside firefox1's plugins dir |
| 06:14.41 | spiritraveller | I mean, I've never had a mouse that needed more than default drivers |
| 06:15.01 | insmod | sander: your .firefox profile points to the old one i bet |
| 06:15.01 | scv | teh m$ mouse likes imps2 |
| 06:15.02 | siimo | profile is not the same as plugins fir.... |
| 06:15.02 | siimo | dir |
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| 06:15.02 | pinks | does rsync only update the content differences by default, or do I need to specify an option for that? |
| 06:15.03 | sander | yeap. And the same plugin is now inside firefox2's dir |
| 06:15.24 | siimo | exit all firefox windows then run firefox2 and type: about:plugins |
| 06:15.33 | insmod | siimo: no but the conf file pionts to the location |
| 06:15.35 | sander | insmod, does it matter?.. when flash didnt work at all.. I assume its removed |
| 06:15.38 | concept10 | oh well, im off to shoot some folks |
| 06:15.46 | piper69 | hi |
| 06:15.53 | scv | concept10, O.o |
| 06:16.02 | pinks | concept10: you know where to find them? |
| 06:16.26 | n0dl | i wonder where are concepts 1-9 |
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| 06:16.33 | scv | hi, piper69 |
| 06:16.43 | pinks | what about rsync? do I need to force it to only update content differences? |
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| 06:17.04 | sander | insmod, what got the old .firefox profile got to do with this? |
| 06:17.09 | scv | I have used rsysc on bsd... only one word... |
| 06:17.31 | sander | insmod, siimo.. OK.. now i'm going to remove flash totally again. |
| 06:17.44 | insmod | sander: check your prefs.js file |
| 06:17.55 | mboso | hark: thanks, got it. |
| 06:17.55 | sander | how can I do that? |
| 06:17.55 | scv | rsync+ssh = only one word |
| 06:18.01 | piper69 | i am using etch and when i do ifconfig eth0 up i get "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No sucj device" please help |
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| 06:18.59 | scv | piper69, what's your nic? |
| 06:19.07 | insmod | sander: if you don't care about bookmarks etc just rm the folder then restart see it it works |
| 06:19.20 | Supaplex | piper69: eg, lspci | grep -i net |
| 06:19.26 | sander | insmod, I care about the bookmarks. |
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| 06:19.45 | siimo | sander: first i would nuke all versions of firefox except the one i was interested in |
| 06:20.01 | piper69 | scv: 02:0a. cardBus bridge: Ricoh Co Ltd RL5c475 (rev 80) that what i got from lspci |
| 06:20.07 | scv | siimo, huh? |
| 06:20.18 | Supaplex | save the bookmarks. for only 49 cents a day, you can save poor starving newborn bookmarks in some third world country. |
| 06:20.22 | scv | siimo, the seamonkey? |
| 06:20.23 | siimo | he is running multiple versions installed with tar.gz instllers or some crap |
| 06:21.09 | siimo | sander: actually uninstall all of them... then apt-get install iceweasel flashplugin-nonfree , and you are done |
| 06:21.19 | Supaplex | siimo: mmmm distro/package orgy. yay! ;-) |
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| 06:21.57 | sander | siimo, ok.. how do I know flash is totally removed? |
| 06:22.19 | scv | piper69, ricoh? |
| 06:22.19 | sander | about:plugins dosnt display anything when I search for "flash" |
| 06:22.29 | hark | piper69: that's not it. check ifconfig -a and man 5 interfaces |
| 06:23.08 | scv | piper69, I didn't know ricoh made nics |
| 06:23.15 | sander | Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Macromedia's Flash Player. Get the latest flash player |
| 06:23.21 | sander | Thats youtube.com |
| 06:23.41 | Supaplex | piper69: apparently it's in the kernel. Do you have modconf installed? |
| 06:23.48 | sander | Then I must have an old version of the flash plugin? :-\ |
| 06:24.14 | piper69 | Supaplex no |
| 06:24.17 | sander | ok.. i'll remove all directories of firefox and stuff.. |
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| 06:24.38 | spiritraveller | Iceweasel only!!! Die Forefox die! |
| 06:24.43 | hark | sander: check about:plugins |
| 06:24.48 | Supaplex | piper69: I'm hunting it down. might take a few min. |
| 06:24.48 | scv | piper69, maybe your pcmcia chip cannot be identified |
| 06:24.53 | Supaplex | !shoot firefox |
| 06:25.02 | sander | hark, no flash in about:plugins (as i've said) :-) |
| 06:25.14 | scv | lol |
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| 06:25.28 | hark | sander: why not just install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 06:25.49 | siimo | hark: thats what i been telling him .. |
| 06:25.51 | twobitsprite | hmm... I seem to remember seeing reference to something like "reportpraise" (as opposed to reportbug) somewhere, but can't find anything... anyone remember something like that? |
| 06:26.03 | sander | hark, yeah.. but when I do that.. passit.no's flash mp3 player (at the right) dosnt work. |
| 06:26.30 | piper69 | scv it was working before i tried to install a second nic , but now it doesn't work even after i removed the second nic |
| 06:26.41 | scv | sander, oh |
| 06:26.43 | sander | hark, oops. That didnt work. |
| 06:26.54 | hark | dosen't work as in no sound or no flash at all? |
| 06:26.54 | Supaplex | piper69: is i82365 loaded? |
| 06:27.18 | scv | sander, flash is amazing, it can make a mp3 player |
| 06:27.36 | pstickne | flash sucks nuts. it's proprietary. |
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| 06:27.58 | piper69 | Supaplex where can i check on that |
| 06:28.05 | sander | hark, I see the flash.. and I got no sound, and no reaction when I push the buttons who's there. |
| 06:28.08 | piper69 | lspci |
| 06:28.09 | Supaplex | piper69: lsmod | grep 82365 |
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| 06:28.32 | sander | scv, yeah. I love flash, thats why I want it to work :-) |
| 06:28.37 | hark | sander: flash9 requires ALSA, 7 is OSS afaik. |
| 06:28.46 | piper69 | Supaplex no it's not loaded |
| 06:28.50 | Supaplex | FOSS > flash |
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| 06:28.55 | scv | (hehe... steal flash?) |
| 06:28.58 | Supaplex | piper69: modprobe i82365 |
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| 06:29.01 | insmod | piper69: does ifconfig list eth0 if not check your interfaces file |
| 06:29.10 | sander | hark, I got flash9 to work on firefox1.. as I said.. so thats not the problem! |
| 06:29.14 | piper69 | should i modprobe |
| 06:29.21 | hark | piper69: ifconfig -a list it? |
| 06:29.33 | Supaplex | piper69: yea. |
| 06:29.36 | sander | hark, I mean.. I got passit.no to work. |
| 06:29.45 | Supaplex | hark: his earlier post was "eth0: no such device" |
| 06:30.03 | piper69 | Supaplex it's eth1 sorry not eth0 |
| 06:30.06 | hark | hmm, must .. use .. lastlog |
| 06:30.07 | maddash | chk /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:30.22 | sander | so if passit.no got a fucked up flash mp3 player, that might be the reason. |
| 06:30.26 | piper69 | maddash it is there |
| 06:30.46 | insmod | sander: no because it worked for me |
| 06:30.53 | scv | I can use alsa, oss and esound at one time d^_^b |
| 06:30.58 | sander | insmod, in another browser! |
| 06:31.15 | sander | insmod, cant you check in firefox2? |
| 06:31.21 | insmod | sander:ya but still there player isn't at fault |
| 06:31.39 | scv | is ff2 hot? |
| 06:31.40 | maddash | piper69: what's the entry for eth1 look like? |
| 06:31.42 | sander | insmod, another guy earlier tried in firefox2 too.. and didnt get it to work. |
| 06:31.53 | maddash | piper69: and did you `sudo ifconfig eth1 up`? |
| 06:31.54 | sander | exactly the same error as me. |
| 06:32.17 | insmod | sander:then i wouldn't uses ff2 |
| 06:32.22 | scv | lol |
| 06:32.39 | sander | damn you. I want it to work in firefox2:-p |
| 06:32.47 | scv | lone live seamonkey!!! |
| 06:32.58 | piper69 | yes and i did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 06:32.59 | n0dl | scv: mines never live for very long |
| 06:33.03 | sander | scv, you got it working in firefox2? |
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| 06:33.12 | scv | no |
| 06:33.24 | maddash | !seamonkey |
| 06:33.25 | dpkg | methinks seamonkey is the new project name for the Mozilla Application Suite, but it's not officially from Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla Application Suite is over, the new name is seamonkey, if you are using Mozilla Application Suite then you are using very old outdated code, check http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ : The reason Mozilla Foundation is not developing on the Mozilla Application Suite anymore is to focus on Firefox and Thunderbird. |
| 06:33.37 | sander | have you tried, or dont you got it working? :-p |
| 06:33.48 | scv | if I used ff2, I would be on windows |
| 06:34.18 | pstickne | swiftfox2 is a big step up from ff1.5 on deb |
| 06:34.27 | sander | ff2 works like a charm on debian etch atleast.. (without this problem) |
| 06:34.50 | sander | scv, you should upgrade. |
| 06:35.10 | scv | a odd thing is, mozilla.org seems to make more good products on windows rather than linux/bsd |
| 06:35.14 | scv | s/a/an |
| 06:35.45 | deadcat | is it possible to reg a domain with let say godaddy and host it on my dyn ip server? what would i need to accomplish this? |
| 06:35.52 | scv | sander, don't set me up, man |
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| 06:36.39 | sander | ;-p |
| 06:37.07 | scv | hehe |
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| 06:39.17 | sander | Hm. all those tests you guys did in other browsers dosnt mean a shit.. it dosnt work in ff2 anyway. |
| 06:39.34 | sander | and none else have tested it in ff2 |
| 06:39.58 | sander | besides me, and another guy in another channel (both didnt work) |
| 06:40.19 | sander | I mean.. we both tested it.. and the flash player didnt work. |
| 06:40.26 | sander | Hmz. |
| 06:40.31 | sander | I'm stuck. |
| 06:40.43 | piper69 | scv any idea what else i can do |
| 06:41.07 | metrics | sander, whst sre you testing? |
| 06:41.09 | sander | pipeline, yeah.. push scv to the frontline.. just like he did to me. |
| 06:41.15 | sander | :-p |
| 06:41.55 | sander | metrics, i'm checking out if the sound of the flash 9 plugin works on passit.no in ff2 |
| 06:42.16 | sander | metrics, its the flash mp3 player to the right. |
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| 06:42.30 | Supaplex | piper69: ok, I missed alot while chasing down a few leads. is eth1 alive? |
| 06:42.50 | metrics | ahh, okay specific site. works on other sites for me. unfortunately not in front of pc at the mo. |
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| 06:43.14 | Supaplex | metrics: you like it on top eh? |
| 06:43.19 | piper69 | Supaplex acually when i reboot and i did ifconfig it shows as eth0 now |
| 06:43.38 | sander | metrics, well.. it works in firefox1.. and a few more other browsers. |
| 06:43.47 | Supaplex | cool. is i82365 loaded now? |
| 06:43.55 | metrics | Supaplex, ? |
| 06:43.58 | sander | scv, and insmod can confirm that! |
| 06:44.10 | sander | Right? |
| 06:44.19 | sander | And I also got it to work in firefox1 |
| 06:44.29 | sander | but not in firefox2 |
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| 06:45.22 | Supaplex | metrics: the pc. off color pun. :-x |
| 06:45.29 | sander | metrics, can it be a browser issue? |
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| 06:45.35 | sid | Supaplex: When I go to login to squirrel mail it tells me |
| 06:45.54 | sid | 'ERROR: Could not complete request.' and 'Query: SELECT "INBOX"' and 'Reason Given: Unable to open this mailbox.' |
| 06:46.20 | sid | To get this far I had to create "Maildir" directory first in ~ |
| 06:46.25 | Supaplex | I'm no webmail nut. I use sqwebmail. check your maildir perms |
| 06:46.37 | piper69 | Supaplex no and when i try to modprobe i82356 i get /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.ko):no such device |
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| 06:47.10 | Supaplex | piper69: humm. well, if it works, *sigh* all is well. :-x |
| 06:47.15 | sid | Supaplex: How should the Maildir perms be? |
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| 06:47.59 | timmarhy | i know this has probably been said before, but hell man debian packages are way too far behind in their releases |
| 06:48.24 | scv | sander, I used flash on seamonkey/ff1 of linux/bsd/windows without any problem |
| 06:48.26 | timmarhy | packages in unstable are 2 years behind the applications current stable build |
| 06:48.44 | piper69 | Supaplex Fatal: error: inserting i82365no and when i try to modprobe i82356 i get /lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.ko):no such device |
| 06:48.44 | Supaplex | timmarhy: are you willing to help? |
| 06:48.57 | sander | scv, but not ff2? |
| 06:49.02 | timmarhy | i might be if it's not a battle i can't win? |
| 06:49.03 | Supaplex | piper69: nm that. if eth1 is working, it's no matter. |
| 06:49.08 | sid | Supaplex: I did chmod +xrw Maildir -R; and that didn't seem to fix it. heh |
| 06:49.13 | scv | sander, never trying |
| 06:49.21 | timmarhy | is it a matter of man power or politics tha tit's so far behind |
| 06:49.27 | sander | scv, ok. cause thats the problem. |
| 06:49.38 | scv | sander, you can do that for us |
| 06:49.55 | timmarhy | there is one package i use in development work that's 2 years behind where it should be |
| 06:49.58 | Supaplex | timmarhy: what packages appear stale to you? |
| 06:50.05 | timmarhy | wxpython |
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| 06:50.30 | timmarhy | stable is 2.4, which is eol'd by the project, unstable is 2.6 which is soon to be eol'd |
| 06:50.38 | timmarhy | it should be at 2.8 |
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| 06:50.50 | Supaplex | timmarhy: does bts look like the maintainer isn't doing their job? each package has their own maintainers. you can join them. uupdate comes to mind. |
| 06:50.52 | sander | scv, Ok.. getting a dude in #firefox on the case now :-) |
| 06:51.09 | timmarhy | i might have to ifi get serious about using it |
| 06:51.24 | scv | sander, lol |
| 06:51.29 | timmarhy | i've been compiling my own installs for wx for years |
| 06:52.04 | timmarhy | on bsd, wx on debian is probably a matter of different names / deps |
| 06:52.20 | Supaplex | timmarhy: ask the maintainers what help they would like. if you have a repo, or even a public www area for your debs and source debs, that'll help. |
| 06:52.28 | piper69 | lspci |
| 06:52.32 | piper69 | opps |
| 06:52.34 | timmarhy | k i'm going to |
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| 06:52.54 | Supaplex | piper69: is your issue with that network card resolved now? |
| 06:52.54 | timmarhy | i'm gonna have to do something with pyparallel to maybe |
| 06:53.08 | piper69 | Supaplex nope |
| 06:53.17 | piper69 | Supaplex still can't get it to work |
| 06:53.35 | Supaplex | piper69: is the interface shown from ifconfig -a ? |
| 06:53.42 | Supaplex | yes/no - don't paste. :) |
| 06:53.50 | piper69 | Supaplex yes |
| 06:53.55 | piper69 | ;) |
| 06:54.36 | timmarhy | right off i go |
| 06:54.44 | sander | scv, i'll make it a classified document ;-) |
| 06:55.03 | Supaplex | piper69: ok. does it use dhcp? and, how's it setup in /etc/network/interfaces? (man 5 interfaces) |
| 06:55.43 | piper69 | Supaplex yes it use dhcp |
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| 06:56.14 | piper69 | it is setup in the interfaces file the same way it was b4 and it was working then |
| 06:56.19 | Supaplex | piper69: ok, you should see "auto eth1" and "iface eth1 inet dhcp" in that interfaces file. what's eth0 being used on, and do you use it? |
| 06:56.20 | warjest` | with inetd it forwards what it receives on the connections, but if i bind to *:port how do i know what the destination IP is? |
| 06:56.26 | warjest` | its not passed afaik know |
| 06:57.35 | spyroboy | Hello |
| 06:57.48 | spyroboy | Does Debian have a sources.list generator like Ubuntu? |
| 06:58.01 | piper69 | Supaplex i see allow-hotplug eth0 , there is no auto and there is not eht0 |
| 06:58.37 | spyroboy | Also, if I use the Ubuntu sources.list generator, can I use them in my debian sourceslist? |
| 06:58.48 | spyroboy | !pkg |
| 06:59.00 | spyroboy | !dpkg sources.list |
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| 06:59.30 | Supaplex | spyroboy: don't comingle debian with any other distro's packages. you'll eaisly end up with a mess. |
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| 07:00.11 | timmarhy | ok, this is fucking retarded, wx2.6 wants to REMOVE my kernel |
| 07:00.31 | Supaplex | timmarhy: eek. :P I wonder why. |
| 07:00.40 | timmarhy | it's the package |
| 07:00.43 | timmarhy | it's stupid |
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| 07:00.49 | Supaplex | the snake is grabbing hold! |
| 07:00.55 | sander | scv, the #firefox dude belived it was an ff2 bug, but he was not too confident. |
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| 07:01.02 | Locals | hi |
| 07:01.10 | timmarhy | this is just stupid |
| 07:01.18 | spyroboy | Supaplex, ermm.. what do you suggest? |
| 07:01.38 | Supaplex | spyroboy: there's apt-setup, among others. (or an editor) |
| 07:01.39 | spyroboy | My sources.list is quite a mess as I've been told. |
| 07:01.40 | piper69 | Supaplex i got it to now when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart and i get DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 t0 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 8 and interval 9,14 |
| 07:01.48 | spyroboy | oh? |
| 07:02.02 | Locals | is there a utility to map my programs that are connected to the internet |
| 07:02.20 | insmod | spyroboy: just make your own -- i did |
| 07:02.30 | spyroboy | insmod, How do I go about doing that? |
| 07:02.39 | Locals | anyone? |
| 07:02.39 | Xenguy | Locals: netstats |
| 07:02.41 | spyroboy | I've been looking for some kind of list for the past 2 hours. |
| 07:02.47 | Xenguy | Locals: netstat ? |
| 07:02.59 | insmod | spyroboy: edit in an editor and add your own mirror sites |
| 07:03.08 | Supaplex | spyroboy: quite a mess? are all your packages debian only? |
| 07:03.13 | Locals | netstat specifies the protocols and ports , not the programms |
| 07:03.19 | spyroboy | Supaplex, not sure. |
| 07:03.32 | Xenguy | Locals: I thought you could display those |
| 07:03.36 | Supaplex | spyroboy: not sure? how come? |
| 07:03.40 | spyroboy | I see a few ubuntus |
| 07:03.40 | Xenguy | Locals: dunno for sure |
| 07:03.43 | spyroboy | but only for beryl |
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| 07:04.11 | spyroboy | and I mean mess because I can find packages in my apt-get but they don't appear on packages.debian.org |
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| 07:04.13 | haiger | Supaplex: i got it to work this is "piper" |
| 07:04.14 | spyroboy | or vice versa |
| 07:04.32 | Supaplex | spyroboy: ok. can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 07:04.45 | Locals | Xenguy maybe tis can be with certain switches but i dont know it |
| 07:04.51 | spyroboy | http://rafb.net/p/36NnIU48.txt |
| 07:05.23 | spyroboy | That's my sources.list |
| 07:05.34 | Xenguy | Locals: I don't use it enough to remember I confess - always one of those utilities that was 'on my list' :-) |
| 07:06.01 | Xenguy | Locals: I guess there is also tcpdump/ethereal, but dunno if they identify apps or not |
| 07:06.37 | spyroboy | Supaplex, that's my sources.list.. (not sure if you saw me link it.) |
| 07:06.42 | Locals | Xenguy: thanx alot, i figured it out, it does actualy : netstat -tp |
| 07:06.52 | Xenguy | Locals: joy :-) |
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| 07:07.14 | Supaplex | spyroboy: yea, 1m. |
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| 07:07.35 | spyroboy | oh sure |
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| 07:08.04 | piper69 | scv Supaplex thank you for helping me it is working now |
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| 07:08.33 | Supaplex | piper69: reboot to test now if you'd like. |
| 07:09.21 | timmarhy | zomg i can't believe this installing wxpython 2.6 on debian will foobar your system |
| 07:09.37 | timmarhy | that's unreal |
| 07:09.39 | twobitsprite | what are some good linux games? |
| 07:10.04 | haiger | Supaplex: i will as soon as i finsh from update |
| 07:10.23 | insmod | twobitsprite: try loki |
| 07:10.40 | Xenguy | Locals: apparently 'lsof' can do some cool/similar stuff too |
| 07:11.07 | Supaplex | timmarhy: please use reportbug for that, ok? :) |
| 07:11.47 | timmarhy | yeah i know the response i'll get - "what do you expect it's in unstable" |
| 07:11.53 | Supaplex | spyroboy: editing sources.list isn't the way to switch to debian (if you were already running ubuntu). The active sources are mostly etch with some extras (which is pretty much ok). I think you still have ubuntu packages installed on your system. What's been done since you installed ubuntu? Did you install debian over it? |
| 07:12.09 | spyroboy | Supaplex, I was previously running Slackware |
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| 07:12.17 | spyroboy | Don't ask me where I got those ubuntu things |
| 07:12.18 | spyroboy | :/ |
| 07:12.20 | timmarhy | is there a way i can bypass apt removing things when i install a package |
| 07:12.24 | insmod | twobitsprite: http://www.lokigames.com/ |
| 07:12.35 | Supaplex | timmarhy: bts would be pointless if that were the case. |
| 07:12.37 | twobitsprite | insmod: yeah, I found it... all commercial though |
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| 07:13.02 | timmarhy | i don't think there's a valid reason for removing the running kernel to install a gui tool set |
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| 07:13.43 | Supaplex | I agree. I don't work with the package, but if I did, I'd try to ask them why. |
| 07:13.58 | madd_matt | i know `uptime` tells me my current uptime, but is there any way to find out when my longest uptime was? |
| 07:14.02 | Supaplex | anyway, i need to recharge the greymatter. nite folks, and good luck. =) |
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| 07:14.20 | insmod | twobitsprite: demoes http://www.lokigames.com/products/demos.php3 |
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| 07:14.30 | insmod | twobitsprite: great ones |
| 07:14.30 | Supaplex | madd_matt: possibly with last. or /msg dpkg search |
| 07:15.14 | madd_matt | Supaplex, that works. |
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| 07:19.22 | twobitsprite | insmod: their online store is closed, and the only two american retailers have "limited availability" |
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| 07:21.06 | insmod | twobitsprite: i just play the demoes lol |
| 07:21.23 | twobitsprite | insmod: ahh |
| 07:21.37 | twobitsprite | insmod: demos are always a pain... they just tease you |
| 07:22.23 | insmod | twobitsprite: i'm not a gamer -- well pong and duke 3d were cool |
| 07:22.58 | twobitsprite | insmod: I'm not much of a gamer either, but every now and then I get a hankering for a good game... |
| 07:23.15 | quintin | So, I'm setting up a new server |
| 07:23.32 | madd_matt | the demo of doom was long enough :P I never even played the full game |
| 07:23.38 | quintin | and I'm thinking of using a 512m usb disk for /, and putting the rest of partitions on a raid1 SATA. |
| 07:23.42 | quintin | good idea ? |
| 07:24.02 | rpc | morning/evening all |
| 07:24.15 | bakfupai | Which encryption would you guys say is stronger? Blowfish or AES? |
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| 07:24.21 | rpc | aes256 |
| 07:24.23 | madd_matt | usb drive might wear out faster than a normal hard drive quintin, but it should work. I would rather use the disks for everything. |
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| 07:24.33 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 07:24.37 | lkthomas | I got problem with sasl |
| 07:24.44 | quintin | I was planning on mounting it RO though |
| 07:24.48 | lkthomas | Feb 3 15:24:11 debian courierpop3login: authdaemon: starting client module |
| 07:24.48 | lkthomas | Feb 3 15:24:11 debian courierpop3login: authdaemon: REJECT |
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| 07:25.05 | madd_matt | quintin, you might try using hdparm to test speeds on the drives too. USb drives can be randomly slow. |
| 07:25.46 | quintin | madd_matt: it would only be /, nothing else. once exec images of daemons are loaded I don't think disk speed matters .. ?? |
| 07:26.48 | madd_matt | quintin, you could just have /boot on the thumbdrive |
| 07:27.11 | lkthomas | help |
| 07:27.16 | lkthomas | does anyone try to config sasl ? |
| 07:27.44 | stoned | images of demons |
| 07:27.46 | stoned | morbid. |
| 07:28.08 | stoned | I like images of humans but.. whatever. To each thier own |
| 07:28.17 | quintin | madd_matt: well, my goal is to still have the machine working mostly as it should should there be a hard disk failure |
| 07:28.36 | spyroboy | hm? |
| 07:28.41 | spyroboy | I'm out |
| 07:28.43 | spyroboy | seeya |
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| 07:30.03 | bakfupai | rpc: what makes you say that? i saw this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption_Standard#Side_channel_attacks <- should that be a concern? |
| 07:31.48 | mzperx | Hi ! I would like to add different nameserver addresses to the existing ones given my ISP dynamically (pppd). What is the best way for that ? |
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| 07:34.23 | twobitsprite | hmm... lxdoom is looking for /dev/sequencer... any ideas on how I would get one of those? |
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| 07:38.11 | quintin | How do I convert my old mbox and put that stuff into my Maildir ? |
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| 07:42.18 | dendrite | quintin: man procmail |
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| 07:44.36 | dendrite | SELinux. trying to use selinux-policy-refpolicy-src to build refpolicy-strict. Fails, per bug # 406165. The maintainer response makes no sense to me. Anyone been here? |
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| 07:45.57 | quintin | How do I turn on peruser Maildir ? it looks like it is already on.. but it is not |
| 07:46.11 | rpc | hm |
| 07:46.32 | rpc | is it normal that when taring up a big file on dual core amd 50% of cpu is unused? |
| 07:46.52 | rpc | does it work as a single core then? |
| 07:46.58 | quintin | rpc: your CPU is faster than your disk, obviously |
| 07:47.09 | rpc | lol |
| 07:47.23 | quintin | rpc: I do not believe tar is a real stress on even an old CPU |
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| 07:47.28 | rpc | it might be well possible but still... those are sata drives |
| 07:47.38 | dendrite | rpc: iostat. |
| 07:47.45 | rpc | oh |
| 07:48.05 | rpc | dendrite don't have this on Etch |
| 07:48.15 | rpc | looks like i will need it |
| 07:48.29 | stoned | unless you have a raid of two 15k drives don't expect much |
| 07:48.30 | quintin | rpc: what is your concern, exactly.. :P |
| 07:48.32 | dendrite | rpc: sysstat |
| 07:48.36 | dendrite | rpc: package. |
| 07:48.38 | rpc | basically i'm not too sure if both cores work, trying to find out |
| 07:48.45 | rpc | dendrite thank you, installing now |
| 07:48.46 | mzperx | My /etc/resolv.conf is always rewritten by the nameserver IP's from my ISP. Where can I set fix nameserver IP's additionally ? |
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| 07:49.05 | quintin | mzperx: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:49.25 | rpc | dendrite: sda 0.67 13.41 105.19 |
| 07:50.17 | quintin | can somsone tell me why exim4 config is split into 97 different five line files? |
| 07:50.45 | stoned | quintin, you don't have to split it up |
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| 07:51.07 | mzperx | quintin: OK , I suppose something should be added under "iface dsl-provider inet ppp" entry ? |
| 07:51.38 | scv | mzperx, ??? |
| 07:51.44 | scv | mzperx, rewrite? |
| 07:52.02 | quintin | mzperx: fuck if I know. I don't have modems plugged directly into any of my machines. modem is plugged into the router, and the router sets NS for machines. and it runs freebsd :P but something in there sure |
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| 07:52.26 | scv | mzperx, your isp can overwrite your files on the hdd? |
| 07:52.53 | mzperx | scv: surely no |
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| 07:53.04 | scv | it's odd |
| 07:53.11 | quintin | mzperx: hmm... I'm not sure here... it looks like my interfaces is just stuff for the IP address. maybe make /etc/resolv.conf RO? |
| 07:53.20 | mzperx | quintin: than what should I do with my interfaces file ? |
| 07:53.27 | scv | iirc, they only do this by dhcp or pppoe |
| 07:53.29 | quintin | mzperx: nothing. |
| 07:54.00 | mzperx | quintin, scv : yes I have pppoe |
| 07:54.05 | scv | but your router can easily just ignore it |
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| 07:55.48 | mzperx | I tried to remove the "usepeerdns" entry in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider, but after reconnection /etc/resolv.conf was rewritten again... |
| 07:56.00 | quintin | mzperx: did you try making it RO? |
| 07:57.09 | scv | what's the reason to do that? |
| 07:57.10 | mzperx | quintin: no, but I would like to still have the dynamically received ones, in addition to the fix ones I set (for a fallback option ) |
| 07:57.47 | quintin | mzperx: oic. dunno then |
| 07:57.47 | scv | if you did that, you would kill your pppoe |
| 07:57.47 | Bogus8 | I got a Toshiba Tecra M3.... I'd like to install debian, or some interesting version of linux, to a 512mb SD card |
| 07:57.47 | Bogus8 | it has a built in SD slot |
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| 07:58.10 | Bogus8 | and I think it's bootable as the boot menu looks like it has an image of an SD card on top of the floppy |
| 07:58.13 | scv | Bogus8, made-in-china? |
| 07:58.34 | Bogus8 | scv: yes sir |
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| 07:59.00 | Bogus8 | scv: why is that? |
| 07:59.15 | scv | I am not here now... |
| 07:59.21 | mzperx | scv: which program is than responsible for those entries in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 07:59.31 | scv | hahaha |
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| 07:59.52 | scv | Bogus8, you can try the Puppy linux |
| 07:59.57 | Bogus8 | ok, so... what is the trick to get the installer to see the SD card? |
| 08:00.12 | Bogus8 | scv: hmm, that don't sound to spiffy, but I'll take a gandar |
| 08:00.15 | Bogus8 | gander* |
| 08:00.44 | scv | mzperx, iirc, pppop would change your resolv.conf |
| 08:01.17 | quintin | Bogus8: I don't see why there would be a trick involved. Trick might be hiding it. |
| 08:01.23 | scv | mzperx, it must do this |
| 08:01.39 | Bogus8 | quintin: well, when the installer got to partitioning disk it wasn't an option |
| 08:01.51 | scv | s/pppop/pppoe |
| 08:01.58 | quintin | Bogus8: What were you trying to install? |
| 08:02.05 | Bogus8 | quintin: debian |
| 08:02.09 | Bogus8 | etchy testing |
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| 08:02.50 | scv | can debian install on an usbkey? |
| 08:03.01 | quintin | scv: yes |
| 08:03.10 | quintin | Bogus8: Did you try ctrl+alt+f2 and looking for it? |
| 08:03.12 | scv | I mean.... easily |
| 08:03.16 | quintin | scv: yes |
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| 08:03.20 | scv | oh |
| 08:03.25 | Bogus8 | quintin: that would have made too much sense :( |
| 08:03.40 | Bogus8 | quintin: and if I would have found it, then what? |
| 08:03.41 | ipfreely | setup a bridge from the bridge i can ping the gw and everything behind it but not outside |
| 08:03.43 | quintin | Bogus8: ... :P |
| 08:03.54 | ipfreely | from inside i can ping the bridge but not the gw or internet |
| 08:03.55 | quintin | Bogus8: One step at a time, my son :p |
| 08:04.03 | Bogus8 | it would have been /dev/sdX right? |
| 08:04.04 | scv | but I doubt debain can put everything into ram as possible |
| 08:04.11 | quintin | Bogus8: I should think so, yes |
| 08:04.14 | scv | no more and no less |
| 08:04.35 | Bogus8 | quintin: just making sure I'm remembering right that it would see it as a scsi device |
| 08:04.38 | Phil|ZZZzzz | I'm having a slight apt problem guys... |
| 08:04.39 | Phil|ZZZzzz | http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=393 |
| 08:04.45 | Phil|ZZZzzz | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 08:04.45 | quintin | Bogus8: yep |
| 08:04.52 | ipfreely | anybody ? |
| 08:04.52 | quintin | Bogus8: also look at dmesg perhaps |
| 08:04.55 | Bogus8 | cool |
| 08:04.58 | mzperx | scv: it is pppoe than on my machine, that is why was lookin for some nameserver related enties in /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider file.... |
| 08:05.18 | Bogus8 | yeah, I'm on it now so hard to try "real quick" but I'll get to it in a sec |
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| 08:06.22 | ipfreely | help plz |
| 08:06.22 | quintin | Why does dpkg want to remove courier when I install postfix? |
| 08:06.25 | insmod | Phil|ZZZzzz: df -hH ---- you are out of room |
| 08:06.26 | scv | mzperx, you dislike your isp? |
| 08:06.44 | insmod | No space left on device |
| 08:06.50 | Phil|ZZZzzz | I thought that insmod |
| 08:06.52 | mzperx | scv: no |
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| 08:07.25 | Phil|ZZZzzz | insmod: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=394 |
| 08:07.26 | dirkson | Hey all. I've got an intel graphics controller. What are my chances of getting hardware acceleration (At least enough to play video) out of the thing? |
| 08:07.29 | scv | mzperx, you can buy a good router and do the trick |
| 08:07.48 | Phil|ZZZzzz | / has been reporting as full for a few months now and I haven't had any problems with apt-get upgrade |
| 08:07.59 | quintin | dirkson: which intel ? and very very good |
| 08:08.01 | insmod | /dev/hda1 250M 250M 0 100% / |
| 08:08.24 | Phil|ZZZzzz | yes, as I said, it's been that way for a few months and it's never had a problem yet |
| 08:08.29 | mzperx | scv: why would I buy a HW to solve a SW issue ?! |
| 08:08.31 | scv | mzperx, remember, AP != router |
| 08:08.41 | insmod | Phil|ZZZzzz: finally maxed |
| 08:08.46 | dirkson | quintin, Awesome! ^.^ lspci is listing it as a " 946GZ/GL" card... But that returns few google hits. Where else can I look? |
| 08:08.55 | Phil|ZZZzzz | oh wait, I think I see, this is actually installing onto that partition |
| 08:09.09 | scv | mzperx, to get a good REAL router is important |
| 08:09.10 | mzperx | scv: what is AP ? |
| 08:09.13 | quintin | dirkson: If all you're concerned aobut is playing video, just use whatever driver X picks and it will work fine. |
| 08:09.18 | scv | access point |
| 08:09.29 | quintin | scv: prefer building my own routers :p much nicer |
| 08:09.39 | Bogus8 | mzperx: I fought buying a HW router for a long time... I'm glad I finally wised up ;) |
| 08:09.49 | scv | we used to consider AP is a router, the fact, it's not |
| 08:09.49 | Phil|ZZZzzz | insmod: how do I actually find out what is on that partition, since if I do "du -sh /" it reports all the other partitions also |
| 08:09.51 | dirkson | quintin, It's using the vesa driver, and it runs like molasses. (1280x1024 fullscreen video) |
| 08:10.11 | scv | an AP can leak your info to your isp/hackers |
| 08:10.26 | insmod | df -hH / |
| 08:10.37 | quintin | dirkson: shitty. I might be wrong (probably) but can you use the i810 driver? |
| 08:10.42 | scv | by some evil packets... |
| 08:10.57 | quintin | dirkson: what is picked when you do hardware autoselection in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 08:10.59 | Phil|ZZZzzz | insmod: that says /dev/hda1 263M 262M 0 100% / |
| 08:11.18 | insmod | Phil|ZZZzzz: full |
| 08:11.25 | dirkson | quintin, DAMN. None. |
| 08:11.38 | Phil|ZZZzzz | insmod: I really want it to tell me the size of the dirs which are truly on /dev/hda1 as opposed to du -sh which tells me the sizes of /home /var etc. also |
| 08:11.58 | quintin | dirkson: really? odd. try i810 |
| 08:12.10 | dirkson | quintin, Doing so : ) Brb for xserver restart |
| 08:12.30 | insmod | Phil|ZZZzzz: du -hH / |
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| 08:12.44 | Phil|ZZZzzz | whooooa |
| 08:13.12 | mzperx | scv: OK convinced about the HW solution but any idea for the SW solution ? |
| 08:14.26 | tictac | hmm. i cant seem to figure out how to tell apt to ignore version conflicts.. |
| 08:14.36 | sid | Does courier-imap come working out of the box, after apt-get install courier-imap? |
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| 08:15.31 | quintin | sid: no. |
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| 08:15.54 | Quarupt | Hello |
| 08:16.03 | Bogus8 | quintin: well, no other sdX devices besides the hd |
| 08:16.12 | Quarupt | I am an Ubuntu user, what advantages are there of switching to Debian? |
| 08:16.14 | quintin | Bogus8: what about dmesg? |
| 08:16.14 | rpc | 2.6.18-3-k7 #1 SMP <---doesn't #1 mean that the dual core cpu is working as single core one? |
| 08:16.18 | quintin | Quarupt: none. |
| 08:16.25 | Bogus8 | fuck fuck fuck... forgot :p |
| 08:16.35 | quintin | Quarupt: well wait, desktop, or server ? |
| 08:17.12 | Quarupt | lol a little of both |
| 08:17.13 | rpc | Quarupt ubuntu - mostly home user and great desktop system, debian - production servers |
| 08:17.15 | Quarupt | I run Apache |
| 08:17.27 | quintin | Quarupt: I wouldn't suggest switching. |
| 08:17.28 | Quarupt | but use my system for desktop as well |
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| 08:17.36 | rpc | Quarupt i can hardly see any advantages when you move to debian, it's basically same thing from your point of view |
| 08:17.43 | Quarupt | What are you guys at stable now? Sarge? |
| 08:17.45 | Quarupt | Sid? |
| 08:17.58 | quintin | Quarupt: 'sid' is always the development vesrion. |
| 08:18.05 | quintin | Quarupt: /topic |
| 08:18.05 | rpc | many people use sarge, some of them use etch as the current pre is very stable already |
| 08:18.08 | Quarupt | Except it is not built for a specific DE right? |
| 08:18.21 | quintin | Quarupt: DE ? |
| 08:18.30 | Quarupt | Desktop Enviroment |
| 08:18.48 | rpc | yes, something like that - ubuntu is just all in one, ready to use out of the box |
| 08:18.53 | Quarupt | Like Ubuntu doesn't really have a base install, just gnome |
| 08:18.56 | rpc | but still it's debian "engine" in there |
| 08:19.10 | Quarupt | But with more up to date packages |
| 08:19.20 | rpc | when you want to form a system on your own you choose debian |
| 08:19.24 | Quarupt | Do you guys support GCC 4 out of the box or 3.9? |
| 08:19.29 | quintin | Quarupt: you want a cookie now ? |
| 08:19.36 | Quarupt | huh? |
| 08:19.40 | Phil|ZZZzzz | insmod: I'm still none the wiser as to which are actually stored on /dev/hda1 |
| 08:19.40 | rpc | Quarupt what do you need gcc4 for? |
| 08:19.49 | Quarupt | I am not flaming I am seriously inquiring |
| 08:20.07 | quintin | Quarupt: just don't state the obvious, kthnx. |
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| 08:20.14 | Quarupt | I love debian in the Potato days I was a solid user |
| 08:20.16 | rpc | Quarupt if you judge the value of a distro by software revisions available out of the box then you better stay with ubuntu :) |
| 08:20.24 | quintin | gcc (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13) is my gcc |
| 08:20.40 | hark | !info gcc etch |
| 08:20.43 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 08:20.46 | Quarupt | Actually I find GCC 4 breaks things more than 3 |
| 08:20.55 | rpc | Quarupt correct |
| 08:21.05 | Quarupt | So like I said I am not flaming |
| 08:21.12 | Quarupt | Sorry if I cam e of that way |
| 08:21.13 | rpc | so what is your point? :) |
| 08:21.53 | Quarupt | But if I wanted to I could install debian latest unstable with Gnome latest and be just as good but have a more stable server side of things? |
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| 08:22.18 | quintin | Quarupt: no. don't install sid unless you are a masochist or developer. kind of dumb. |
| 08:22.25 | rpc | how can you expect a stable server on unstable distro? |
| 08:22.29 | quintin | Quarupt: you'd want to install 'etch' |
| 08:22.46 | Quarupt | But then I would have to use repos with older packages, or..? |
| 08:22.53 | Quarupt | I am confused |
| 08:22.58 | Phil|ZZZzzz | insmod: nevermind, I deleted 3 .bak files from /boot and freed up a whole 16Mb which seemed to be enough to fix the problem. I've got a new drive coming soon which I intend to move /home onto so I'll expand / into some of the free space |
| 08:23.03 | Phil|ZZZzzz | thanks for the help :) |
| 08:23.06 | quintin | Quarupt: Yes, the packages in sarge are older. in etch, it would be about the same as ubuntu |
| 08:23.06 | rpc | just install etch and see for yourself what you like better, Quarupt |
| 08:23.08 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: older is stable. newer is not. |
| 08:23.20 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: if you want newer and stable you are out of luck. |
| 08:23.28 | Quarupt | So SID is not very stable at this point? |
| 08:23.29 | rpc | for some people the stability is all that matters |
| 08:23.34 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: sid is never stable |
| 08:23.44 | SerajewelKS | !tell Quarupt about sid |
| 08:23.44 | rpc | Quarupt sid = devel. |
| 08:23.53 | Quarupt | I don't mean officially stable, I mean close to being released as "stable" |
| 08:24.02 | rpc | Etch |
| 08:24.04 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: sid is never released |
| 08:24.10 | rpc | you were told that 2 times already, Quarupt |
| 08:24.10 | Quarupt | I know this |
| 08:24.16 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: so stop asking |
| 08:24.20 | Quarupt | Nevermind you guys do not listen |
| 08:24.22 | rpc | you want pre-stable then go Etch |
| 08:24.23 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: pick stable or pick new |
| 08:24.28 | rpc | Quarupt no, you don't listen |
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| 08:24.50 | Quarupt | I understand that SID is the one that is being developed but at some point you take that snapshot and call it stable right than its no longer sid? |
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| 08:24.58 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: no |
| 08:25.02 | quintin | Quarupt: no |
| 08:25.03 | dirkson | quintin, No luck at /all/. |
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| 08:25.10 | quintin | Quarupt: quit asking dumb questions. |
| 08:25.11 | rpc | Quarupt you can't read, sorry to say that |
| 08:25.18 | Phil|ZZZzzz | SerajewelKS: what happens when Etch goes stable? Do they invent a new name to use as the "Testing" distro? |
| 08:25.20 | Quarupt | Yes you are very ignorant no wonder you guys are losing all your users |
| 08:25.22 | Quarupt | goodbye |
| 08:25.24 | SerajewelKS | Phil|ZZZzzz: yes |
| 08:25.29 | rpc | quintin we told you many times that the stable is sarge |
| 08:25.30 | karsten | Phil|ZZZzzz: Yes. |
| 08:25.34 | rpc | err Quarupt* |
| 08:25.35 | Phil|ZZZzzz | SerajewelKS: ok, thanks :) |
| 08:25.45 | rpc | a troll after all :/ |
| 08:25.50 | hark | Quarupt: /msg dpkg releases |
| 08:25.57 | scx | flame trolls in fire |
| 08:25.58 | quintin | Quarupt: are you dense? three people have answered your question! |
| 08:25.59 | rpc | and i just thought he really wanted to learn something |
| 08:26.00 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: yes, me, someone who submits a package to debian, has less clue how it works than you do |
| 08:26.13 | quintin | Quarupt: read http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 08:26.16 | rpc | SerajewelKS he he |
| 08:26.32 | Quarupt | You make no sense, after tou develop a new release its not called SID anymore its called etch right? |
| 08:26.39 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: no |
| 08:26.52 | quintin | Quarupt: STFU, read that link , then you can ask more questions |
| 08:26.58 | rpc | Quarupt just look around. 10 people tell you same thing and you keep telling us that we make no sense :) |
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| 08:27.10 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: packages uploaded to sid migrate to testing after some days if no bugs are filed. testing is released as stable at some point, at which point a new testing is created. |
| 08:27.16 | Quarupt | Cause your all re fucking tarded |
| 08:27.20 | Quarupt | and make no sense |
| 08:27.20 | rpc | oh lol |
| 08:27.22 | Quarupt | so you STFU |
| 08:27.25 | karsten | !ops Quarupt troll |
| 08:27.26 | quintin | !ops |
| 08:27.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: Quarupt troll |
| 08:27.26 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 08:27.29 | Quarupt | god debian has gone to hell |
| 08:27.29 | Phil|ZZZzzz | Quarupt: as I understand it, Sid is where packages are tested before moving over to testing before stable |
| 08:27.36 | rpc | someone get him out of freenode please :/ |
| 08:27.38 | quintin | !ops quarupt idiot |
| 08:27.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: quintin complains about: quarupt idiot |
| 08:27.46 | rpc | we need to keep the network clean |
| 08:27.49 | karsten | quintin: It's been done. |
| 08:27.50 | Quarupt | oo please boot me why would I want to be here anyways |
| 08:27.52 | quintin | Quarupt: I gave you link. Go read it. |
| 08:27.55 | sid | peace Quarupt |
| 08:27.59 | dirkson | quintin, Any ideas for anything else to try? |
| 08:28.02 | Quarupt | Go power trip somewhere else |
| 08:28.05 | SerajewelKS | Quarupt: you know you can /part any time rightL |
| 08:28.07 | Quarupt | Jesus |
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| 08:28.13 | rpc | !ops Quarupt flaming and insulting users |
| 08:28.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: rpc complains about: Quarupt flaming and insulting users |
| 08:28.16 | quintin | dirkson: sorry, what is problem? |
| 08:28.20 | scx | Quarupt: mabe you'd like to see here: #winblows |
| 08:28.29 | dirkson | quintin, The hardware accelerating an intel guy? |
| 08:28.29 | karsten | SerajewelKS: stop feeding it |
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| 08:28.34 | Quarupt | If you guys would get off your high horse maybe you would lose half your users in a 6 month period, huh? |
| 08:28.47 | quintin | dirkson: ah yea. put your IRC client ina screen so it doesn't get lost :P did i810 work? if it doesn't, try i815 |
| 08:29.01 | rpc | SerajewelKS just /ignore him, because there is no spoon ;) |
| 08:29.11 | scx | !spoon |
| 08:29.12 | dpkg | There is no spoon. |
| 08:29.22 | Quarupt | Yea ignore your problems, because god forbid you face them |
| 08:29.45 | SerajewelKS | rpc: nah, that wastes valuable RAM, i'd rather filter them out in the brain |
| 08:29.46 | Quarupt | !ops please ban me from this pile of shit you call a distro |
| 08:29.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: quarupt complains about: please ban me from this pile of shit you call a distro |
| 08:29.58 | Quarupt | lol |
| 08:30.00 | Quarupt | sad |
| 08:30.10 | dondelelcaro | Quarupt: can you please stop? |
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| 08:30.25 | rpc | SerajewelKS i did already, let's get over it |
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| 08:30.35 | SerajewelKS | rpc: i am over it, stop bugging me |
| 08:30.37 | dondelelcaro | folks, there's no reason to use !ops more than once. |
| 08:30.45 | quintin | dirkson: right?! right |
| 08:30.50 | rpc | ok |
| 08:31.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 08:31.31 | dirkson | quintin, Oops! I found a walkthrough for my chipset! Lemmegotry ^.^ BRB |
| 08:31.56 | rpc | let me ask this again: 2.6.18-3-k7 #1 SMP <--- does it mean that my Dual Core will use both cores, or #1 stands for single core cpu even though smp seems to be running in kernel |
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| 08:32.15 | valdyn | rpc: will use both cores |
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| 08:32.24 | karsten | rpc: SMP means your dual core will be seen as 2 CPUs. |
| 08:32.28 | rpc | valdyn thank you, but still why #1? |
| 08:32.36 | valdyn | rpc: problem is though that -k7 indicates that its for AMD k7, not for cure 2 duo |
| 08:32.37 | rpc | karsten thank you |
| 08:32.48 | rpc | valdyn because there is no other one on 32-bit debian |
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| 08:32.59 | rpc | i was adviced to use k7 kernel then instead of 686 |
| 08:33.00 | Bogus8 | quintin: well, nothing in dmesg and nothing in /proc/ that looked of interest either :( |
| 08:33.01 | SerajewelKS | rpc: wtf yes there is |
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| 08:33.08 | freespace | #1 means the first time the kernel has been compiled using that source tree iirc |
| 08:33.11 | SerajewelKS | rpc: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 08:33.15 | rpc | SerajewelKS hm |
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| 08:33.28 | rpc | SerajewelKS that will install 686 kernel for intel cpus |
| 08:33.33 | valdyn | !info linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 etch |
| 08:33.38 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-3-686: (Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18-7 (etch), Packaged size: 16318 kB, Installed size: 49588 kB |
| 08:33.41 | rpc | freespace arrgh |
| 08:33.45 | dondelelcaro | quintin: in the future, if someone like that is causing you problems, please /ignore them instead of exacerbating the entire issue. |
| 08:33.51 | freespace | rpc: mine is Linux emmap-smhs 2.6.7 #2 SMP Wed Jul 28 04:25:36 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:33.52 | quintin | Bogus8: sux. |
| 08:34.04 | freespace | cause its the 2nd compiled i made, since the first one screwed up, hehe |
| 08:34.12 | rpc | valdyn that's right... then am i better with intel optimised kernel on 32-bit debian and amd64 cpu or shall i use k7 kernel? |
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| 08:34.23 | Bogus8 | so any clue to allow me to see/install to that SD card? |
| 08:34.26 | rpc | freespace thank you so much, now i do understand |
| 08:34.36 | quintin | Bogus8: nope. must be non-standard hw |
| 08:34.43 | valdyn | rpc: -686 is right for you, k7 may not work at all |
| 08:34.46 | Bogus8 | quintin: bitches |
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| 08:35.03 | rpc | valdyn so you really recommend 686 kernel over k7 one for amd64 dual core? |
| 08:35.04 | dondelelcaro | Bogus8: if you know you have the proper modules loaded, and you've plugged/unplugged the SD card and nothing has changed, then yeah, it's not supported. |
| 08:35.05 | quintin | I'm curious how you got a k7 installed |
| 08:35.11 | rpc | it just works fine |
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| 08:35.15 | freespace | rpc: i think, unless you are doing a lot of floating point calculations etc, using i386 won't matter much |
| 08:35.27 | valdyn | rpc: no, i thought i read core duo, guess im wrong, k7 is fine for amd64 cpus |
| 08:35.36 | tictac | bah. gtkpod doesnt work (libgpod is borked) |
| 08:35.38 | rpc | i'm trying to fix a proper kernel on amd64 since 2 days already |
| 08:35.51 | rpc | valdyn it's AMD X2 4600+ |
| 08:36.02 | rpc | and i don't like 64-bit debian for some reasons |
| 08:36.09 | valdyn | rpc: use k7. |
| 08:36.10 | PDani | hi |
| 08:36.13 | rpc | and i'm clueless what kernel to choose then |
| 08:36.17 | PDani | i have a little problem. i have a vfat partition from windows with filenames special hungarian characters in them. I would like to mount, and backup some files, but when i try to copy a file with special filename, i get an error. How should i mount this partition to be able to backup the content of it? |
| 08:36.17 | dondelelcaro | rpc: what's wrong with 64 bit Debian? |
| 08:36.21 | insmod | Bogus8: load mass storage drivers |
| 08:36.32 | quintin | PDani: you get what error |
| 08:36.35 | Danielss89 | hi, how do i create a link.. ive got the same problem as yesterday with php5 not working, now i installed libapache2-mod-php5 and just need to link the 2 files from mods-available to mods-enabled |
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| 08:36.36 | Bogus8 | insmod: say who, what? |
| 08:36.40 | dondelelcaro | rpc: for the few reasons that it may be suboptimal (32 bit binaries) you can trivially work around with 32 bit chroots. |
| 08:36.47 | rpc | dondelelcaro hm, i read up a few stories about probs with 64-bit os, don't know after all |
| 08:36.48 | karsten | PDani: Two possible issues: codepages, and r/w access to the vfat partition. |
| 08:36.54 | SerajewelKS | Danielss89: a2enmod php5 |
| 08:37.01 | dondelelcaro | (and eventually if multiarch ever gets properly supported, even that will go away) |
| 08:37.10 | rpc | correct, i also read up on chroot 32bit or even IA-32 that solves most problems |
| 08:37.12 | Danielss89 | oki SerajewelKS thanks |
| 08:37.22 | rpc | so shall i go for etch 64 then? |
| 08:37.23 | Bogus8 | insmod: is there a command I'm supposed to throw at it at some time? |
| 08:37.31 | PDani | karsten: codepage, of course |
| 08:37.31 | valdyn | i'd use 32-bit if speed or any 64-bit features aren't critical |
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| 08:37.40 | dondelelcaro | rpc: well, it's a valid concern for many 64 bit architectures where the 32bit instruction set isn't total crap... but unfortunatly that doesn't apply to IA32 |
| 08:37.45 | insmod | Bogus8: what are you trying to do |
| 08:37.46 | rpc | valdyn i was told that there isn't really a big diff |
| 08:37.56 | rpc | dondelelcaro hmm |
| 08:38.03 | valdyn | rpc: that's true for most cases yes |
| 08:38.07 | Bogus8 | insmod: install to an SD card in a built in reader on a Toshiba Tecra M3 |
| 08:38.28 | rpc | i also heard that in some cases 32-bit apps will in fact work slower on 64-bit os |
| 08:38.35 | valdyn | rpc: also true |
| 08:38.36 | rpc | that's because bigger mem overhead and all that |
| 08:38.47 | rpc | so it got me scared to hell and back :) |
| 08:38.52 | dondelelcaro | valdyn: yeah, the speed thing really only applies to 32/64 bit architectures where the 32 bit instruction set doesn't suck horribly, like ppc and sparc. |
| 08:38.55 | siimo | i just use 32bit |
| 08:39.15 | PDani | quintin: Could not make folder /media/sda1/Keres?képtelenség és keres?képesség elbírálása az orvosi alapellátásban_elemei. |
| 08:39.18 | insmod | Bogus8: hmm |
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| 08:39.29 | Bogus8 | insmod: word, any suggestions? |
| 08:39.30 | rpc | siimo hm you seem to be another proof that 64bit isn't really this needed, are you on k7 kernel as well? |
| 08:39.30 | Danielss89 | !en |
| 08:39.30 | dpkg | english |
| 08:39.47 | insmod | Bogus8: goto a tty load mass storage mount it then install to it |
| 08:39.48 | Bogus8 | or other distro's that might play better w/ my hardware? |
| 08:39.54 | quintin | PDani: what is your local ? |
| 08:39.55 | valdyn | rpc: 32-bit intel chips have verious extensions, optimised algorithms will use those, so its even more complicated ( sse / 3dnow etc are up to 128 bit instructions even available to 32-bit debian ) |
| 08:40.10 | siimo | rpc: actually i compiled my own kernel and specified k8 in the processor setting tho its 32bit |
| 08:40.15 | rpc | valdyn so that's why i don't want to use 686 on amd64 then? |
| 08:40.25 | rpc | siimo oh |
| 08:40.26 | valdyn | rpc: sure use k7 |
| 08:40.32 | Bogus8 | insmod: any man files or websites on doing that? |
| 08:40.44 | rpc | how about siimo solution? i could in fact specify k8 cpu... |
| 08:40.56 | rpc | siimo's* |
| 08:40.58 | PDani | quintin: the actual setting of LC_ALL and LANG is "C" |
| 08:41.01 | valdyn | rpc: that's mostly pointless |
| 08:41.07 | insmod | Bogus8: just first see if the moduales are loadable |
| 08:41.08 | valdyn | rpc: no benefit in that |
| 08:41.10 | rpc | so there is no spoon, ok |
| 08:41.23 | Bogus8 | insmod: ok, back that up a little more ;) |
| 08:41.27 | Bogus8 | how do I do that ;) |
| 08:41.38 | siimo | but specifying k8 will make use of the extra resisters that are available on k8 prolly? |
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| 08:41.44 | rpc | i still think that there is something wrong with k7 kernel on amd64 as that's a diff architecture |
| 08:41.45 | valdyn | siimo: no |
| 08:41.50 | rpc | but... there is no choice |
| 08:41.53 | valdyn | siimo: not possible to use those |
| 08:41.59 | valdyn | siimo: ( in 32-bit mode ) |
| 08:42.21 | rpc | siimo they are not being used much anyway... even if this was possible on 32-bit |
| 08:42.25 | siimo | well ok i dont care |
| 08:42.51 | rpc | can't hurt setting the cpu for k8 though it seems :) |
| 08:43.14 | siimo | i didnt find enough speed gain to run 64bit more the hassle of binary drivers and multimedia codecs plugins |
| 08:43.19 | valdyn | siimo: k8 would probably be useful if gcc created instructions using sse2 i guess |
| 08:43.20 | insmod | Bogus8: configure the kernel for it |
| 08:43.30 | rpc | correct, that's what i was told as well, siimo |
| 08:43.52 | Bogus8 | insmod: yikes, that's like building an installer basically |
| 08:44.11 | siimo | and programs seemed to use slightly more memory as well in 64bit |
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| 08:44.22 | rpc | siimo indeed, again i was told that |
| 08:44.29 | rpc | mem overhead is bigger |
| 08:44.49 | insmod | Bogus8: just try modprobe usb-storage |
| 08:44.54 | rpc | scv thanks ;) |
| 08:44.59 | scv | ^_^ |
| 08:45.00 | Bogus8 | insmod: will do |
| 08:45.08 | Bogus8 | bbias |
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| 08:45.33 | rpc | all in all... amd64 on 32bit = k7 smp kernel |
| 08:45.42 | rpc | and i keep it like that for a while |
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| 08:46.03 | rpc | but will have an eye on amd64 kernel in the future :) |
| 08:46.16 | dirkson | quintin, Ok, so I followed the guide- No dice >.< I'm not 100% confident that my chipset is close enough |
| 08:46.24 | rpc | finally the decision is made, after 2 days of moaning and growning |
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| 08:46.36 | scv | moaning? |
| 08:46.37 | rpc | thank you guys |
| 08:46.48 | quintin | dirkson: what were results of using i810 and i815? |
| 08:46.55 | rpc | scv it was really hard to decide on the right kernel |
| 08:47.03 | siimo | rpc: yeah i was really excited about running 64bit when i got my first 64bit processor 2 yrs ago but then after a day of messing about i reinstalled 32bit os |
| 08:47.06 | scv | umm |
| 08:47.30 | dirkson | quintin, Ah! i815! Forgot that. i810, no matter how I fiddle with it, comes back with a message saying it cannot allocate enough ram |
| 08:47.31 | quintin | How do I give someone scp access but not ssh login access? |
| 08:47.34 | rpc | siimo exactly same here, i went for 64-bit all at once and was surprised to find out that i gain nothing but possible hassle with that option |
| 08:47.38 | valdyn | !scponly |
| 08:47.46 | valdyn | quintin: apt-cache show scponly |
| 08:47.55 | dirkson | quintin, And I'm not seeing i815 in the list |
| 08:48.10 | siimo | rpc: it will get better once windows vista 64 becomes more common and companies release 64bit versions of binary codes etc |
| 08:48.11 | scv | rpc, hahaha |
| 08:48.15 | hark | dirkson: use i810 |
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| 08:48.32 | rpc | siimo yes, it's too early now, at least for me |
| 08:48.33 | quintin | dirkson: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 08:48.36 | dirkson | hark, How? It errors out. |
| 08:48.42 | rpc | siimo and i get absolutely nothing out of 64-bit os |
| 08:48.50 | rpc | as most apps will be 32-bit |
| 08:49.01 | scv | siimo, but, you need more than 4GB ram then |
| 08:49.06 | dirkson | quintin, xserver-xorg-video-i810 is already the newest version. |
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| 08:49.16 | rpc | siimo and what kernel rev are you running, if you don't mind this question? that's the last thing to decide on |
| 08:49.30 | hark | dirkson: what chipset? |
| 08:49.36 | Caelum | if xp64 could run 32bit drivers, a lot more people would use it... |
| 08:49.47 | dirkson | hark, 946gz |
| 08:49.53 | quintin | dirkson: hmmmm... is this on a laptop or desktop? |
| 08:49.53 | siimo | scv: what? why would you need 4gb |
| 08:49.56 | rpc | Caelum true |
| 08:50.01 | dirkson | quintin, Desktop! |
| 08:50.12 | siimo | rpc: 2.6.19-beyond2 |
| 08:50.19 | rpc | siimo very nice |
| 08:50.26 | valdyn | siimo: 4GB ram is where another advantage of 64-bit pays off |
| 08:50.42 | rpc | siimo but then someone told me that anything above 2.6.17 is evil... i'm confused |
| 08:50.50 | hark | dirkson: i know that the i810 driver atleast supports upto i945. what errors are you getting? |
| 08:50.57 | rpc | especially as someone else tells me that 2.6.18 is buggy :) |
| 08:51.07 | dirkson | hark, It says it cannot allocate enough memory. |
| 08:51.14 | siimo | valdyn: not really.. even with 2GB ram running a 64bit system it wasnt even using 512MB with kde firefox and a few other programs |
| 08:51.26 | valdyn | rpc: 2.6.18 is fine. |
| 08:51.34 | rpc | valdyn oh really? i might be running 4GB soon on that particular amd64 box... |
| 08:51.35 | valdyn | rpc: at least the debian kernel |
| 08:51.46 | rpc | valdyn so staying with 2.6.18-3 won't hurt? |
| 08:52.04 | quintin | dirkson: advise purchasing a shiny new nvidia vid card |
| 08:52.07 | valdyn | rpc: no |
| 08:52.14 | rpc | i hear about mysterious bug in the 2.6.18-3 |
| 08:52.21 | valdyn | rpc: that's fixed |
| 08:52.32 | siimo | quintin: choosing nvidia is a good choice. |
| 08:52.32 | valdyn | rpc: by teh linus himself ;) |
| 08:52.33 | rpc | in debianised kernel that is? |
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| 08:52.36 | rpc | he he |
| 08:52.50 | dirkson | quintin, Yeah, I'm already making plans. I bought a bum audio card; I'll return that and get a graphics card instead. This mobo has decent sound. |
| 08:52.51 | rpc | so that's why they keep 2.6.18-3 in rep still for etch |
| 08:52.56 | quintin | siimo: thank you CAPTAIN OBVIOUS |
| 08:53.09 | quintin | dirkson: I sell you a gfx card real cheap <3 |
| 08:53.19 | valdyn | rpc: you wouldn't hit that bug anyway, unless you use the program 'rtorrent' |
| 08:53.23 | siimo | whats happening to the kernel ? i heard they were going to reject binary drivers within a year or something? then we wont be able to use nvidia as well? :\ |
| 08:53.25 | dirkson | quintin, Aye? Model number, price? : ) |
| 08:53.40 | valdyn | siimo: you heard wrong |
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| 08:53.46 | quintin | dirkson: gf4ti4200 128m agp8x | whatever street price is... |
| 08:53.47 | rpc | valdyn he he i used to use it before but not much, more like curiosity |
| 08:53.52 | hark | what's wrong with intel? |
| 08:53.54 | oohal | siimo, no, linus put his foot down, they're not going to ban binary modules |
| 08:54.02 | rpc | valdyn and what was that bug all about? i'm really curious |
| 08:54.12 | dirkson | quintin, pcie board. I've already got one of those, I thinkl : ) |
| 08:54.23 | siimo | oohal: i heard they were.. but only from future versions of the kernel you'd still be able to use old kernels |
| 08:54.26 | quintin | dirkson: d'oh. no pcie stuff of any flavor in stock. |
| 08:54.27 | valdyn | rpc: zeroes instead of the real data would get written to disk occasionally |
| 08:54.29 | dirkson | quintin, Awesome card. I wish this board had AGP. |
| 08:54.39 | rpc | valdyn that's sweet |
| 08:54.44 | haggz | i just gave into the non-free temptation and installed the nVidia drivers and stopped using nv. Fixed lots of glitches but I feel impure. |
| 08:54.48 | dirkson | quintin, I work at best buy. I get like 40% off on video cards. |
| 08:54.50 | quintin | dirkson: yea, I wish my new machine did too.. :P but I guess I gotta spend $100 on a new board |
| 08:54.58 | quintin | dirkson: ORLY |
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| 08:55.03 | valdyn | rpc: but only under very special circumstances, so hitting that bug almost required using rtorrent |
| 08:55.04 | quintin | dirkson: want to be my best friend? |
| 08:55.07 | krenin | Hi. |
| 08:55.20 | rpc | valdyn really special bug :) |
| 08:55.22 | siimo | im running a radeon 9250 with open source R250 drivers |
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| 08:55.38 | dirkson | quintin, Aye. I moved from an 800 mhz PIII to a dual core 2.8 ghz machine. I think it was time to upgrade |
| 08:55.51 | dirkson | quintin, *laughs* With any luck, I won't work there much longer |
| 08:55.54 | quintin | dirkson: neat-o |
| 08:56.02 | rpc | ok thank you very much for help again people - i'm much more happy now than an hour ago |
| 08:56.05 | dirkson | quintin, But I've gtg. See you! |
| 08:56.10 | krenin | I saw refurbished Pentium III PCs for less than $100 recently. |
| 08:56.19 | quintin | dirkson: my main desktop at home was a coppermine piii@1ghz... new machine is p4/800/3000/1m/ht |
| 08:56.23 | quintin | krenin: where? |
| 08:56.24 | krenin | There's still a lot of power there really. |
| 08:56.35 | krenin | Surplus Computers |
| 08:56.42 | quintin | krenin: ja. I like to sell old things like that to people who want cheap computers. |
| 08:56.54 | quintin | and of course a piii @1.4ghz is faster than p4 @ 1.4ghz too :P |
| 08:56.55 | rpc | krenin $100 is a bit too much for P3 system but still not too bad |
| 08:57.03 | krenin | I've still got a Pentium-MMX 233 and a K6-2 450 in use. |
| 08:57.06 | quintin | rpc: well, depends on what it has in it |
| 08:57.09 | rpc | unless those are dual P3s :) |
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| 08:57.13 | rpc | right, quintin |
| 08:57.26 | quintin | krenin: not a pentium2? didn't know the pentium went that hi |
| 08:57.27 | rpc | and dual P3 server is pretty powerful btw |
| 08:57.34 | krenin | there was an 833 mhz one for around $60 and a 1 ghz one for around $85 |
| 08:57.50 | krenin | quintin: It's still a Pentium 1 + MMX extensions. |
| 08:57.57 | rpc | krenin that's a good price |
| 08:57.58 | krenin | er, MMX instructions. |
| 08:58.03 | quintin | krenin: is this a website? |
| 08:58.05 | krenin | Yea. |
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| 08:58.10 | krenin | www.surpluscomputers.com |
| 08:58.16 | siimo | damn router! |
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| 08:58.39 | rpc | it might be a P1+MMX but the core is slightly better :) |
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| 08:58.48 | krenin | I have bought some stuff there before, it's a good price. |
| 08:58.53 | krenin | I mean they have good prices. :) |
| 08:58.53 | rpc | 1ghz P3 is basically as fast as P4 1.6 |
| 08:59.02 | quintin | krenin: mmmm. deskpro. |
| 08:59.10 | krenin | Yeah I heard about that before; what was the deal with the first P4s? |
| 08:59.14 | Bogus8 | well, I'm running puppy on this laptop right now... how can I get the SD card up now? |
| 08:59.23 | quintin | krenin: the p4 in general mostly sux |
| 08:59.31 | rpc | krenin first P4 was so crappy that most P3s could outperform them :) |
| 08:59.35 | Bogus8 | if I can figure out how to get it up with this maybe I can get the debian installer to see it |
| 08:59.43 | quintin | all p4s are crapy |
| 08:59.54 | rpc | still even P4 2.0 can be easily outperformed by dual P3 1ghz box |
| 08:59.55 | grew | is there any way to force reinstallation of a package? |
| 08:59.56 | krenin | I recently decided to try the apt-build way of doing things to see what it's like to have packages compiled for specific CPU architectures. It's turning out to be quite a bit more responsive... |
| 09:00.00 | grew | like apt-get reinstall |
| 09:00.06 | quintin | rpc: I think that might be pushing it :P |
| 09:00.10 | valdyn | grew: apt-get install --reinstall |
| 09:00.10 | rpc | he he |
| 09:00.18 | grew | valdyn: thanks |
| 09:00.27 | krenin | Is Intel Core much better than P4? |
| 09:00.28 | skandaleras | Hi, I have a strange problem. A machine with a debian/sarge says that the load average is "load average: 5.03, 5.03, 5.12" and the CPU usage is "Cpu(s): 99.7% " . The strange thing is I don't see any process with more than 0.0% ~ 1% in the output of 'top' |
| 09:00.33 | quintin | krenin: yes |
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| 09:00.38 | rpc | well in server box it's much better to have dual P3 1ghz than a single P4 2.0 |
| 09:00.43 | krenin | quintin: I see. |
| 09:00.47 | rpc | it surely will be more stable and more powerful |
| 09:00.49 | quintin | krenin: core is based on the p-m, which is much more efficient |
| 09:00.53 | valdyn | skandaleras: using 'top' ? |
| 09:01.01 | krenin | What's the P-M? |
| 09:01.07 | skandaleras | yes valdyn |
| 09:01.15 | liran_ | krenin: pentium m - for laptops. |
| 09:01.17 | krenin | Oh, Pentium-M |
| 09:01.20 | krenin | I see. |
| 09:01.21 | krenin | Interesting. |
| 09:01.35 | rpc | skandaleras did you scan for rootkits and such? |
| 09:01.41 | valdyn | skandaleras: paste the Cpu(s) line |
| 09:01.44 | liran_ | I actually started to see embedded computers/boards with a pentium m architecture which is kind of funny. |
| 09:01.45 | rpc | skandaleras just the first idea that came to my mind |
| 09:01.46 | krenin | I have a few Intel machines but they're usually more expensive so I buy AMD usually. |
| 09:01.56 | krenin | :) |
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| 09:02.06 | skandaleras | yes, I have a few rootkit detectors, I've seem this behaviour more than once :( |
| 09:02.11 | rpc | mobile p4 is just great |
| 09:02.20 | skandaleras | rpc: Cpu(s): 99.3% us, 0.7% sy, 0.0% ni, 0.0% id, 0.0% wa, 0.0% hi, 0.0% si |
| 09:02.32 | quintin | uhm |
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| 09:02.35 | skandaleras | rpc: top - 10:02:01 up 36 days, 5 min, 1 user, load average: 5.62, 5.00, 5.06 |
| 09:02.36 | rpc | skandaleras hm |
| 09:02.45 | liran_ | skandaleras: check /var/log/syslog, dmesg |
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| 09:02.50 | valdyn | skandaleras: are you using any special driver? |
| 09:02.57 | quintin | I installed scponly and told it to chroot into homedir before doing its work, ... but when I login as the user they can still go above their homedir ... how do I fix this? |
| 09:03.01 | skandaleras | no, I don't valdyn |
| 09:03.08 | skandaleras | let's see liran_ |
| 09:03.40 | valdyn | skandaleras: paste the whole output of top ( not here, /msg dpkg paste ) |
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| 09:05.11 | krenin | Do any of you guys use apt-build? |
| 09:05.28 | valdyn | krenin: no benefit, on amd64 |
| 09:05.36 | skandaleras | I've seen this behaviour a few times when the machine runs a web server with apache+zope, I'm not sure if there is relation |
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| 09:06.00 | krenin | I've been doing apt-builds for a Pentium-MMX, a K6-2, and an Athlon XP. |
| 09:06.38 | grew | woohooo |
| 09:06.39 | grew | alsa works |
| 09:06.47 | skandaleras | valdyn: the output is here http://pastebin.com/874214 |
| 09:07.16 | valdyn | skandaleras: this kind of load would usually cause less us and more i/o related load |
| 09:07.16 | skandaleras | the last line contains the python process which runs zope |
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| 09:07.49 | valdyn | skandaleras: hit Shit-P in top |
| 09:07.51 | valdyn | skandaleras: hit Shift-P in top |
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| 09:08.05 | skandaleras | ok valdyn |
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| 09:09.35 | skandaleras | when I hit Shit-P :P the top process appears in the first line, the rest is the same |
| 09:09.48 | Ebbs | Hi. Whe Im starting withe my new compiled kernel 2.6.19.2 (stable), startup stops with line: /drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c .... What can I do to prevent this and what causes this fault? |
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| 09:10.10 | skandaleras | 22421 root 15 0 2064 1060 1852 R 2.3 0.2 0:00.19 top |
| 09:10.10 | valdyn | skandaleras: that sorts by cpu usage, that's all, |
| 09:10.10 | skandaleras | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.32 | valdyn | skandaleras: doesnt change anything in your case, as its already sorted by cpu then |
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| 09:10.58 | skandaleras | :) |
| 09:11.09 | valdyn | skandaleras: uname -r |
| 09:11.18 | skandaleras | 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 09:11.37 | siimo | is that sarge? |
| 09:11.42 | valdyn | yea |
| 09:11.43 | skandaleras | yes, it is |
| 09:11.50 | Ebbs | enouf, any ideas? |
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| 09:12.05 | siimo | no wonder the kernel is so ancient :X |
| 09:12.39 | valdyn | skandaleras: no idea, this is a hidden process using cpu, maybe a rootkit, maybe uh, |
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| 09:13.02 | skandaleras | :( |
| 09:13.30 | valdyn | skandaleras: and it seems to be a couple processes too, see your load of 5 |
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| 09:13.48 | ThomasPorter | Hi, I'm not sure how it works.. but when will Etch be released as stable? |
| 09:13.54 | valdyn | !wwir |
| 09:14.00 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: /topic |
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| 09:14.19 | ThomasPorter | !wwir |
| 09:14.24 | skandaleras | it is quite strange and I'm almost sure this is not a rootkit |
| 09:14.25 | siimo | !wwer |
| 09:14.26 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 09:14.26 | ThomasPorter | Does something for me i'm fraid. |
| 09:14.34 | skandaleras | anyway thank u very much valdyn ;) |
| 09:14.37 | ThomasPorter | There it is.. |
| 09:14.44 | krenin | So probably we'll see etch this year you think? |
| 09:15.15 | ThomasPorter | Would etch be stable at the moment? |
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| 09:15.23 | ThomasPorter | As in enough to install on a server.. |
| 09:15.24 | siimo | krenin: yeah definately.. it was initially scheduled for 2006 december but has been moved forward |
| 09:15.31 | krenin | Oh cool. |
| 09:15.43 | krenin | I'm using it anyway, but once it goes stable I think I'll use that for a while. |
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| 09:16.32 | StormBlade | can anyone tell me why is /dev/sequencer not found |
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| 09:17.56 | ThomasPorter | If I get etch now.. how easily can I upgrade to the stable version> |
| 09:18.19 | siimo | anyone know the proper way to load the module: snd-pcm-oss on boot? |
| 09:18.25 | scv | downgrading? |
| 09:18.27 | valdyn | ThomasPorter: very easily |
| 09:18.29 | enouf | ebbs no idea how to fix it .. but see http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c?v=2.6.18 (note 2.6.18 source, not .19) .. maybe build from kernel.org sources instead |
| 09:18.30 | quintin | Should I use this motherboard's builtin HW raid controller, or software raid? |
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| 09:18.39 | quintin | siimo: vi /etc/modules |
| 09:18.55 | valdyn | siimo: you don't need to load it explicitely by default |
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| 09:19.11 | ebbs | enouf, its a kernel from kernel.org, but thx! |
| 09:19.16 | siimo | my system loads all other sound modules except that |
| 09:19.18 | enouf | ebbs: don't recall if you used a 2.6.8 config or what .. erm oh yeah .. a GCC 3.3? .. |
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| 09:19.37 | cahoot | StormBlade, snd-seq-midi not loaded? |
| 09:19.45 | enouf | ebbs: ok .. have you tried the Debian way? make-kpkg, kp mantra and such? |
| 09:19.53 | valdyn | quintin: you don't have a hw raid controler at all most likely |
| 09:19.59 | valdyn | !sata raid |
| 09:20.00 | dpkg | The FAQ for linux SATA RAID is at http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html also a how-to for software SATA RAID can be found at http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
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| 09:20.22 | ebbs | enouf, make-kpkg linux_image --initrd --revision=custom.1 |
| 09:20.52 | enouf | ebbs: also check this out http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html ..see how it jibes with "/msg dpkg kp mantra" and "/msg dpkg make-kpkg" info |
| 09:20.55 | ebbs | enouf, and now I installed my deb package! |
| 09:21.07 | sxpert | had to add a separate ATA controller on a pci card (SIL based) |
| 09:21.20 | enouf | ebbs: you updated grub appropriately I presume? |
| 09:21.41 | siimo | sh*t check this out: http://xtramsn.co.nz/homepage2/imageLargeView/0,,6894300,00.jpeg worlds tallest man |
| 09:21.50 | kvaneesh | ok |
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| 09:22.24 | pstickne | siimo, framed against people of relatively small stature... |
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| 09:22.37 | Phil4 | that's one big guy siimo |
| 09:22.39 | fantomas | hi all. I can't find mysql documentaion in apt repository. Is it not there or I just missed it? |
| 09:22.52 | ebbs | enouf, yes deb package made it itself |
| 09:23.25 | siimo | pstickne: ok that might be true but he is 2.36 metres |
| 09:23.33 | siimo | (7ft 8.95inches) |
| 09:23.40 | quintin | krenin: Surplus Computers seems a bit shady. I don't like that they don't show upfront shipping prices. :P |
| 09:23.48 | pstickne | I never said he wasn't tall; but how tall are tall basketball players? |
| 09:24.01 | krenin | quintin: I've always had good luck with them. |
| 09:24.22 | StormBlade | Playmidi 2.4 Copyright (C) 1994-1997 Nathan I. Laredo, AWE32 by Takashi Iwai |
| 09:24.22 | StormBlade | This is free software with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. |
| 09:24.22 | StormBlade | For details please see the file COPYING. |
| 09:24.23 | StormBlade | open /dev/sequencer: No such file or directory |
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| 09:24.26 | enouf | ebbs: only thing is ro peruse the lkml, and find the enormous changelog for diffs between .18 and .19 .. like linus' announcement and such , maybe even ##kernel can help a bit |
| 09:24.28 | siimo | basketball players are around 1.9 m - 2.1m i think |
| 09:24.29 | pstickne | "The Houston Rockets' Yao Ming, the Western Conference's 7'5"" |
| 09:24.34 | enouf | s/ro/to |
| 09:24.41 | quintin | krenin: hmm.. maybe I am spoiled by newegg. :P |
| 09:25.00 | krenin | Hehe... I was looking at video cards on Newegg earlier tonight. |
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| 09:25.16 | krenin | Thinking about getting a NVIDIA Geforce 7600... |
| 09:25.21 | pstickne | Anyway, that's pretty tall. It looks like it sucks though. |
| 09:25.23 | ebbs | enouf, k thx |
| 09:25.32 | pstickne | ...using crutches and all. |
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| 09:25.52 | quintin | krenin: $12.99 stun gun?!?! count me in!!! |
| 09:26.01 | enouf | ebbs: OR .. take Debian sources for 2.6.18-4 or so from Sid repo/devel pages |
| 09:26.02 | krenin | I'll be back in a few. |
| 09:26.09 | siimo | that man has the guniess offical record .. but appearently this guy is taller than him : http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/05/02/430_stadnyk,0.jpg |
| 09:26.22 | quintin | krenin: what have you purchased from them? |
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| 09:26.41 | witless | my college room mate made a stungun in the early 80's with a beer can and some electrical stuff |
| 09:27.14 | ice63 | hello |
| 09:27.17 | ice63 | :) |
| 09:27.18 | enouf | ebbs: I would think the make-kpkg steps are assuming Debian kernel sources .. so .. try with that instead of kernel.org |
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| 09:28.02 | enouf | ebbs: as I had said earlier .. all after .16 are using gcc 4.0 and better |
| 09:28.23 | quintin | Should I use builtin motherboard hardware SATA raid 1 or software SATA raid 1? |
| 09:28.28 | enouf | so even a .17 kernel should be fine for you |
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| 09:29.05 | capiira | hi, how good is "testings" stability compared to bleeding edge distros like fedora,suse & co.? would you say badder, better or equal ? :) i mean comparing the problems they have. |
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| 09:29.30 | enouf | ebbs: I think the .16-39 even has a Jmicron controller patchset already (IDE JMC3xx issues) |
| 09:29.43 | denny | capiira: testing is usually just fine |
| 09:30.10 | denny | although I'm a bit pissed off with it today on account of the COMPLETELY FUCKING USELESS web-browser it installed last night over the top of my perfectly functional copy of firefox |
| 09:30.31 | capiira | what webbrowser? |
| 09:30.34 | denny | Iceweasel |
| 09:30.35 | scv | ??? |
| 09:30.38 | Coweater | they're the same damn thing |
| 09:30.38 | capiira | heh |
| 09:30.52 | denny | http://dennyd.livejournal.com/594281.html |
| 09:30.56 | denny | I have a few bugs to file on it |
| 09:31.06 | denny | tempting |
| 09:31.12 | streuner | !shoot scv |
| 09:31.17 | scv | hahaha |
| 09:31.17 | denny | I have IE6 installed on Linux at work, it's very weird. |
| 09:31.25 | denny | serious cognitive dissonance |
| 09:31.31 | denny | useful for testing though |
| 09:31.47 | scv | oh |
| 09:31.50 | capiira | hmm denny would you say testing is fine even when lenny starts? |
| 09:31.59 | streuner | no |
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| 09:32.07 | scv | IE7 makes a big change on IE6 |
| 09:32.10 | siimo | IE7 renders differently tho its slightly better standard follower than IE6 |
| 09:32.17 | streuner | testing sucks after debian release the new stable... |
| 09:32.45 | capiira | i want it as desktop |
| 09:32.47 | scv | I only know IE7 eat another 64M ram |
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| 09:33.17 | scv | that's the bad news |
| 09:33.21 | siimo | i read the other day microsoft is already working on IE8 |
| 09:33.42 | scv | +another 64MB ram |
| 09:33.46 | capiira | i would like to use testing and let it grow but dunno if i will run into massive problems when etch stable get released |
| 09:34.15 | capiira | how was that in the past? |
| 09:34.25 | siimo | capiira: i run unstable on desktop and havent had any major problems i upgrade often so to avoid huge upgrades breaking stuff |
| 09:34.31 | scv | does m$ know the ram of some laptops are limited at 2GB? |
| 09:34.37 | streuner | capiira: just *use* 'etch' in your sources.list and NOT 'testing'... |
| 09:34.38 | scv | god |
| 09:34.58 | capiira | i dont want to stay wth etch |
| 09:34.59 | cahoot | scv, is this really on interest in #debian? |
| 09:35.12 | scv | oh |
| 09:35.24 | siimo | even my desktop is limited to 2gb :X |
| 09:35.32 | streuner | capiira: well, wait some weeks after the releases, it usually normalize the situation pretty fast... |
| 09:35.34 | capiira | i would prefer testing so i get newer packages too |
| 09:35.45 | quintin | I want a USB mouse, that has retractable cord, but is NOT a mini or travel size mouse.. |
| 09:35.49 | quintin | anyone know of such a thing? |
| 09:36.01 | quintin | scv: that's 'MS', kthnxbie. |
| 09:36.08 | capiira | you mean wait a few weeks before changing etch to testing in the sourcees.list? |
| 09:36.17 | scv | MS is patiented |
| 09:36.35 | quintin | scv: you mean trademarked. idiot. |
| 09:36.40 | scv | hahaha |
| 09:36.55 | scv | they would charge you some money |
| 09:37.16 | quintin | scv: do you have something against money? I like it |
| 09:37.21 | streuner | capiira: for example, install in any case 'apt-listbugs' and 'apt-listchanges'... |
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| 09:37.29 | scv | quintin, no |
| 09:37.44 | capiira | never heard of that |
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| 09:38.04 | capiira | some kind of app that display changes and packages that got removed? |
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| 09:38.22 | streuner | !info apt-listbugs |
| 09:38.24 | dpkg | apt-listbugs: (Lists critical bugs before each apt installation), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.73 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
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| 09:39.12 | krenin | /back |
| 09:39.14 | streuner | capiira: apt-listchanges shows the 'changelog' of a package, but ONLY when the maint thinks its important. |
| 09:39.22 | krenin | Oops. Anyway, I'm back |
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| 09:39.36 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 09:39.43 | krenin | quintin: I've bought a bunch of stuff from there: SD cards, odds and ends. |
| 09:40.13 | capiira | i hope everything goes well if i use testing as desktop |
| 09:40.20 | octoberdan | Is there something I can apt-get to make a net install boot disk? |
| 09:40.23 | capiira | i mean in the future |
| 09:40.23 | capiira | hehe |
| 09:40.54 | capiira | i really like the a idea of a growing distro |
| 09:41.38 | capiira | btw how to i get notified if debian remove a package from testing that i installed before? |
| 09:41.42 | Wyzard | Nifty feature of gnome-power-manager that I discovered accidentally: if there's a UPS plugged into the system via USB, g-p-m displays its battery level in a tray icon |
| 09:41.57 | capiira | *d |
| 09:42.00 | quintin | octoberdan: download iso image from debian.org |
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| 09:44.14 | deadcat | which content management software is more secure? |
| 09:44.16 | streuner | capiira: that's not the *normal* situation, only common for libs, you can remove those via deborphan (/msg dpkg deborphan) |
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| 09:44.31 | capiira | ahh ok |
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| 09:44.55 | octoberdan | quintin: Is there a way to only download what I need? All I've been able to find are cd images and the entire install. I need the floppy images |
| 09:45.12 | quintin | octoberdan: you need to buy a new computer |
| 09:45.31 | capiira | does debian already have xfce 4.4 |
| 09:45.36 | deadcat | yes |
| 09:45.38 | nocti | octoberdan, openbsd still has floppy images available |
| 09:45.49 | quintin | octoberdan: put disk in a machine that isn't a piece of crap that won't boot from cd. boot netinst disc. install. move disk back to old crap machine. |
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| 09:45.55 | capiira | in unstable ? |
| 09:46.00 | quintin | octoberdan: make sense? or would that not work for you? |
| 09:46.00 | capiira | or testing |
| 09:46.05 | Arafangion | deadcat: The correct response is "duh". |
| 09:46.16 | fanTEMAs | My database server had crashed recently but I managed to save /var/lib/mysql dir. Now I'm configuring another server and want to plug those databases. Will it work if I just substitute /var/lib/mysql/ dir of the fresh server with an old copy? The fresh server's version is 5.0.32, the old's one is 4.xx probably. Sure its a mysql question, so sry for offtopic. |
| 09:46.21 | hark | capiira: RC2 atleast in unstable |
| 09:46.33 | capiira | thx |
| 09:46.42 | scx | fanTEMAs: #mysql |
| 09:46.45 | quintin | fanTEMAs: /join #mysql |
| 09:46.49 | scx | I guess no |
| 09:47.03 | deadcat | Arafangion: i dont know.. i want one thats simple and secure. |
| 09:47.04 | scx | postgre has dropdb :) |
| 09:47.10 | Phil4 | fanTEMAs: I think there were some changes since 4.x so you'd be better installing v4 then upgrading it with apt |
| 09:47.23 | scx | err: dumpdb :p |
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| 09:48.01 | fanTEMAs | scx: quintin I know I said |
| 09:48.02 | Arafangion | deadcat: "duh" is a simple answer, not sure about secure. :) |
| 09:48.07 | octoberdan | quintin: I'll download the whole thing and use the tool for creating net-install boot disks like I did last time I installed linux. Thank you for the help anyways, I figured there was an easier way |
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| 09:48.26 | fanTEMAs | Phil4: good idea... So, mysql4 is still in apt repo? |
| 09:48.50 | fanTEMAs | Phil4: sure I can check it myself so feel free to ignore my question :) |
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| 09:49.23 | Phil4 | I'd only have to check fanTEMAs, so it's probably easier if you do ;) |
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| 09:49.58 | Arafangion | dasein: (You might want to check my /join time) |
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| 09:50.09 | Arafangion | deadcat: (You might want to check my /join time) |
| 09:50.17 | Arafangion | dasein: Ignore me. |
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| 09:51.05 | deadcat | Arafangion: ya . just dont type my nick because the irssi is showing red. |
| 09:51.38 | octoberdan | mMm irssi |
| 09:52.26 | Arafangion | deadcat: Sorry, force of habit - irssi never shows red on my terminal, though :) |
| 09:53.14 | Arafangion | deadcat: Only happens with your nick, though ;) |
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| 09:53.47 | stoned | when I use aptitude to search for linux kernels I see nothing but amd kernels |
| 09:53.49 | stoned | why is this? |
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| 09:54.17 | stoned | aptitude search linux|grep kernel |
| 09:54.26 | octoberdan | Ah hah! Found what I was looking for. http://linux.simple.be/debian/floppy |
| 09:54.49 | stoned | i get only amd stuff |
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| 09:55.24 | stoned | is anyone around? |
| 09:55.49 | enouf | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 09:55.55 | stoned | nothing |
| 09:56.03 | stoned | the thing is |
| 09:56.09 | enouf | stoned: using AMD install? |
| 09:56.17 | stoned | I guess |
| 09:56.22 | enouf | duh |
| 09:56.22 | stoned | I used the debian.exe |
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| 09:56.32 | stoned | apparantly it installed amd64 |
| 09:56.35 | enouf | stoned: oh .. XPoop |
| 09:56.38 | stoned | however it is strange |
| 09:57.10 | enouf | stoned: there's been many changes a buzzin with that crapola .. over in debian-boot . go squat |
| 09:57.10 | stoned | kenshi muto's di don't work for me, neither does debian di... this is the only way I can get my pata/gb eth to work under debian |
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| 09:57.23 | stoned | and apparantly it installs this amd bullshit |
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| 09:57.33 | schme`` | stoned: what CPU do you have .. ? |
| 09:57.37 | stoned | intel! |
| 09:57.45 | schme`` | 64 bit? |
| 09:57.45 | stoned | who the fuck was the moron who made this debian.exe |
| 09:57.47 | enouf | stoned: which Mobo make/model? |
| 09:57.52 | stoned | its an e6300 |
| 09:57.58 | enouf | ASUS i bet with Jmicron controller? |
| 09:58.00 | stoned | enouf: doesn't matter |
| 09:58.05 | Diamond | Hi :) how do i mount a'n partition |
| 09:58.05 | stoned | Jmicron JMB363 |
| 09:58.10 | enouf | hahaha |
| 09:58.15 | Diamond | or how do i format a partition |
| 09:58.21 | stoned | and sky2 apparantly doesn't work for my net either |
| 09:58.22 | Diamond | first format then mount ? |
| 09:58.25 | enouf | stoned: see the patchset in .16-39 |
| 09:58.31 | schme`` | I think the windows installer autodetects and choses the "appropriate" install. For intel EMT64 that could very well be the AMD64 install. |
| 09:58.54 | Wyzard | stoned: The JMicron has some issues that I think were solved in kernel 2.6.18 |
| 09:58.56 | stoned | schme``: why? |
| 09:59.08 | Wyzard | stoned: 2.6.17 doesn't seem to support CD-ROM drives attached to that controller |
| 09:59.10 | stoned | Wyzard: yes but none of the debian di work for me |
| 09:59.27 | stoned | not even 2.6.19 ala kmuto.jp |
| 09:59.31 | Wyzard | stoned: I worked around that by installing from a USB stick rather than a CD |
| 09:59.40 | stoned | Wyzard: I'm installing from grub |
| 09:59.41 | schme`` | stoned: because it's the same instructions sets and what not. EMT is an intel extension to their 32bit cpus to make 'em work like amd64 :) |
| 09:59.55 | stoned | the point is.. but my network dont' get detected |
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| 10:00.22 | Wyzard | stoned: How does one use GRUB to install Debian? |
| 10:00.23 | stoned | apparantly sky2 provides the driver but when I select it, di still says no network device found |
| 10:00.27 | schme`` | ): |
| 10:00.29 | stoned | Wyzard: /msg dpkg install guide |
| 10:00.33 | enouf | I'm going to have to either kill my ISP, or break the www worse than it's brked already .. what a dump! |
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| 10:01.16 | stoned | schme: so how do I install the intel kernel. or do I need to? |
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| 10:01.36 | stoned | schme: apparantly this is the only way my network will work on debian |
| 10:01.45 | stoned | the drivers present with that particular initrd |
| 10:02.18 | Wyzard | stoned: If you're talking about -686 vs. -k7 or whatever, I don't think the set of drivers differs between them |
| 10:02.34 | stoned | I downloaded the etch netboot images, linux/initrd.gz and they show sky2 (GA 965P S3 Gigabyte) boards.. I forgot the name of the gb eth controller |
| 10:02.52 | schme | stoned: From what I understand you are right now running a x86_64 system. Some drivers might not be ported :S You might have to do a reinstall with 32bit userland + kernel |
| 10:02.54 | stoned | but it doesn't work |
| 10:03.08 | schme | hmmm |
| 10:03.14 | stoned | I would be glad to |
| 10:03.17 | enouf | stoned: either .18-1 (but you need netinstaller/busineescard and expert mode and choose sid) or .16-39 should have the fix |
| 10:03.22 | stoned | but this is the only way to get debian on my system is with a netboot |
| 10:03.25 | enouf | stoned: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/sid/linux-2.6/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
| 10:03.31 | schme | it's messed up with autodetection :S |
| 10:03.37 | stoned | enouf: I gave the expert option |
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| 10:03.56 | deadcat | what debian package is this? Base class package "HTTP::Server::Simple::CGI" is empty. |
| 10:03.58 | schme | does the etch installer use 2.4 kernel or what? |
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| 10:04.09 | stoned | 2.6 I think |
| 10:04.11 | Tallu | 2.6 |
| 10:04.12 | stoned | etch doesn't use 2.4 |
| 10:04.18 | enouf | stoned: scan/search that for "jmicron" |
| 10:04.29 | enouf | schme: only |
| 10:04.33 | stoned | enouf: I don't care about it right now |
| 10:04.37 | schme | goody goody. |
| 10:04.39 | stoned | I need my network to work |
| 10:04.41 | Wyzard | stoned: That looks like a P965-based motherboard... both other P965 boards I have experience with have RTL8168 gigabit ethernet controllers, which are supported by the "r8169" driver in 2.6.18, but don't work in 2.6.17 and earlier |
| 10:04.43 | enouf | heh NumLock is borked |
| 10:04.45 | stoned | I forgot the name of the controller |
| 10:04.57 | enouf | stoned: then shutup :-) |
| 10:05.05 | stoned | Wyzard: I don't think its realtek |
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| 10:05.17 | Arafangion | realtek's will just work, these days. |
| 10:05.27 | Wyzard | stoned: Check with lspci? |
| 10:05.32 | stoned | how do i see which one i'm using right now |
| 10:05.34 | stoned | the driver that is |
| 10:05.45 | enouf | Wyzard: catch the svn changelog I posted above? |
| 10:05.58 | stoned | marvall gigabit eth |
| 10:06.01 | Wyzard | Arafangion: You're thinking of the ubiquitous 8139 10/100 chip, but I can say from experience that the 8168 gigabit chip does not work in 2.6.17 |
| 10:06.07 | Diamond | Hi someone that can help me here |
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| 10:06.18 | stoned | lspci says unknown device |
| 10:06.25 | Arafangion | Wyzard: That's unfortunate :( |
| 10:06.38 | Diamond | whats the command to howmany hdds there are in my server |
| 10:06.41 | liable | update-pciids |
| 10:07.07 | Wyzard | enouf: yeah, JMicron support |
| 10:07.57 | stoned | the thing is, when I run the etch installer, I can't install cuz nothing gets detected.. but I can install and use my hardware with the kernel debian.exe installed which is |
| 10:08.05 | stoned | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 10:08.08 | Wyzard | enouf: I thought it was just a Linux thing, but I've heard people talking about "JMicron issues" on P965 boards even in Windows... and I got the impression that the "issues" might be more than Windows just not having a driver |
| 10:08.25 | enouf | Wyzard: teh newegg testimonials attest to that :-P |
| 10:08.27 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Unless it's vista. |
| 10:08.35 | cyzie | hello, how do i configure microphone ? |
| 10:08.54 | Wyzard | stoned: The etch installer uses 2.6.17, so it doesn't support the JMicron and doesn't support the RTL8168 |
| 10:08.59 | stoned | ahh |
| 10:09.03 | Wyzard | stoned: 2.6.18 does |
| 10:09.06 | stoned | Wyzard: well what do I do then |
| 10:09.12 | enouf | Wyzard: he "doesn't care" ..lol |
| 10:09.17 | stoned | Wyzard: which di can I use that does use 2.6.18 |
| 10:09.30 | stoned | enouf: don't quote me out of context please |
| 10:09.38 | Wyzard | stoned: On my system that I recently built, I worked around those problems by temporarily installing a different network card, and installing from a USB stick instead of a CD |
| 10:09.42 | enouf | I already tiold him .. grab a daily netinstall stoned |
| 10:09.42 | stoned | optical media I care less for right now |
| 10:10.21 | stoned | Wyzard: yes.. I am install from an already present grub.. running the installer isn't a problem.. however what good/use is a machien to me where networking isn't working |
| 10:10.21 | enouf | <stoned> enouf: I don't care about it right now <- how is that out of context? |
| 10:10.29 | stoned | next line |
| 10:10.34 | stoned | "I need my network to work" |
| 10:10.42 | enouf | ok |
| 10:10.43 | stoned | stop arguing with me ffs |
| 10:10.47 | Wyzard | stoned: Well, if your NIC is the Realtek one, it'll work once you upgrade to 2.6.18 |
| 10:10.55 | stoned | Wyzard: one sec |
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| 10:11.02 | Wyzard | stoned: If it's something else that's still not supported by Linux, well, you're stuck until there's a driver for it |
| 10:11.02 | enouf | !cheesesteak stoned |
| 10:11.03 | sleon | sorry for stupid questions |
| 10:11.11 | sleon | but which debian release is stable right now ? |
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| 10:11.19 | enouf | see /topic |
| 10:11.27 | stoned | Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8056 |
| 10:11.30 | stoned | this is the one I have |
| 10:11.35 | concept10 | I want one one those |
| 10:11.45 | stoned | would the realtek driver work for this' |
| 10:11.46 | stoned | ? |
| 10:11.50 | concept10 | *one of |
| 10:11.52 | concept10 | heh |
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| 10:12.06 | sleon | putato? |
| 10:12.11 | sleon | okok :) |
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| 10:12.32 | stoned | Wyzard: I was told/read that sky2 is the driver for the marval gigabit eth |
| 10:13.07 | stoned | Wyzard: let me try what enouf suggested |
| 10:13.09 | Wyzard | stoned: According to http://kerneltrap.org/node/7135 (which I found with a Google search for "Marvell 88E8056 Linux"), it looks like sky2 support *might* be in 2.6.18 |
| 10:13.30 | stoned | Wyzard: how do I see which driver is currently running my network |
| 10:14.01 | Wyzard | stoned: You can use lsmod to see which drivers are loaded, but I don't know how to find which driver is responsible for, say, the eth0 interface |
| 10:14.03 | Diamond | HI |
| 10:14.13 | stoned | something to do with getting the pciid and then checking in the pci map in //modules// somewhere |
| 10:14.18 | Diamond | are there ppl intrested to help me just got 2 simple questions |
| 10:14.18 | stoned | i can't quite recal |
| 10:14.27 | Diamond | want to know if you guys can help me |
| 10:14.55 | Diamond | i want to format my new hdd and mount it so i can reache it |
| 10:15.28 | Wyzard | stoned: Anyway, it doesn't really matter... if your NIC isn't supported by the installer, it's the issue of whether it can be made to work later is irrelevant to the installation |
| 10:15.44 | Arafangion | Diamond: mk23fs -j /dev/newhdd should do it. |
| 10:15.50 | Wyzard | stoned: Stick in a spare 10/100 card to install with, and once you've installed and upgraded to 2.6.18, see if your sky2 works |
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| 10:15.52 | haggz | Diamond: I like Gparted live CD and Knoppix live CD for hdd work |
| 10:16.11 | Wyzard | stoned: If it does, take out the 10/100 card; if it doesn't, leave the card in until a driver becomes available |
| 10:16.18 | stoned | Wyzard: i don't have one |
| 10:16.19 | quintin | Diamond: System Rescue CD |
| 10:16.33 | octoberdan | Alright! Time to say good bye to windows... |
| 10:16.55 | stoned | Wyzard: running the amd64 kernel/drivers won't cause a problem with e6300 would it |
| 10:17.01 | Wyzard | stoned: You can get them at computer stores... rtl8139 cards often go for around $5 USD |
| 10:17.07 | Diamond | hmm how can i see which hdds there are attached in my debian pc ? |
| 10:17.18 | stoned | Diamond: fdisk 0l |
| 10:17.20 | stoned | er.. -l |
| 10:17.25 | Wyzard | stoned: I don't know what "e6300" is, but I'm running an amd64 system right now... no driver problems here |
| 10:17.29 | concept10 | what is the best way to modify your run levels? there is some cmd line app but I cant remember what its called. |
| 10:17.38 | stoned | Wyzard: core 2 duo e6300 |
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| 10:18.09 | pstickne | Diamond, I find /proc/partitions handy ... although it looks at a different level. |
| 10:18.16 | Wyzard | stoned: I'm running unstable amd64 Debian on an E6600 |
| 10:18.30 | stoned | Wyzard: and how is it |
| 10:18.41 | liable | concept10: to change runlevel, or modify start up scripts? |
| 10:18.45 | Wyzard | stoned: This is the system with the rtl8168 NICs I mentioned, and the JMicron that I worked around by using a USB stick at installation time |
| 10:19.06 | Wyzard | stoned: but now that I've upgraded the kernel to 2.6.18, it works fine |
| 10:19.19 | stoned | Wyzard: im on sid with gigabyte 965p s3 motherboard and e6300 cpu |
| 10:19.21 | stoned | right now |
| 10:19.33 | concept10 | liable, modify start up scripts |
| 10:19.35 | krenin | Goodnight... |
| 10:19.39 | stoned | just wondering if that kernel will be ok with this cpu |
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| 10:19.45 | liable | !services |
| 10:19.46 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 10:19.50 | Wyzard | stoned: Abit AB9 Pro here, which is also P965-based |
| 10:19.51 | Diamond | i see that /dev/hdb is my second hdd |
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| 10:19.56 | Diamond | how do i mount it ? |
| 10:19.58 | stoned | Wyzard: nice mobo |
| 10:20.00 | Diamond | to |
| 10:20.03 | stoned | Wyzard: oc |
| 10:20.03 | stoned | ? |
| 10:20.05 | pstickne | Diamond, is `mount' :) |
| 10:20.05 | Diamond | ./media/hdb ? |
| 10:20.06 | Wyzard | nah |
| 10:20.11 | Wyzard | though I might try it at some point |
| 10:20.23 | stoned | Wyzard: I got 3500 with 500fsb at c5 timings |
| 10:20.27 | stoned | :D |
| 10:20.28 | concept10 | liable, thanks, i cant remember nothing |
| 10:20.39 | pstickne | mount /dev /path # simplest form which might work ... unless you have a fstab entry |
| 10:20.40 | liable | concept10: no problem |
| 10:20.42 | stoned | thas a 1700mhz overclock fully stable |
| 10:20.56 | Wyzard | not bad |
| 10:21.17 | Wyzard | I know someone who's OCed this same processor I have, on this same motherboard, up to 3.05GHz with stock cooling |
| 10:21.24 | Diamond | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 10:21.26 | Wyzard | so I might try it... but he has better-quality RAM than I do |
| 10:21.31 | pstickne | Wyzard, which processor, what is final clock? |
| 10:21.51 | Wyzard | E6600, which is 2.4GHz |
| 10:22.06 | cyzie | just curious, linux is known to be non virus OS. but lately i see some antivirus for linux, what is that so ? |
| 10:22.23 | Wyzard | clocked up to 3.05GHz, I believe |
| 10:22.35 | pstickne | Wyzard, ahh, read that as "an extra 3Ghz" |
| 10:22.47 | Wyzard | lol, no, I wish :-) |
| 10:22.50 | stoned | Wyzard: I got corsair xms2, however I got jipped cuz I didn't get the Micron d9 chips.. so my ram tops out at 430FSB, past it, I get errors. with my 800 ddr2 I can hit 500fsb. if I leave my window open a bit my mobo stays very cool cuz its next to it and i can oc the mch a bit and hit 530fsb but i can't get it to be stable enough |
| 10:23.05 | chris_goe | cyzie, imagine a linux fileserver, serving files for windows clients... |
| 10:23.16 | stoned | Wyzard: I'm trying to reach 4.0ghz |
| 10:23.16 | Diamond | i am getting this when i mount /dev/hdb /media/hdb "mount: you must specify the filesystem type" |
| 10:23.33 | ThomasPorter | who can I install etch using a net install disk? |
| 10:23.37 | quintin | cyzie: to keep viruses from going from yoru email to a windows user... and yes there are linux viruses too |
| 10:23.40 | chris_goe | Diamond, do you want to mount /dev/hdb or /dev/hdb1 ? |
| 10:23.41 | pstickne | cyzie, it's just not as easy a target... but there are viruses and worms for just about any system and they work at different levels. it's also nice of you not to pass around viruses. |
| 10:23.48 | Wyzard | ThomasPorter: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 10:24.23 | stoned | Wyzard: so you're running the same kernel as I on the same line of cpus and same chipset. Have you experienced any issues with anything |
| 10:24.24 | pstickne | Diamond, you need to specify a partition, not the entire device |
| 10:24.31 | cyzie | thanks chris_goe , quintin pstickne |
| 10:24.38 | Diamond | chris_goe : /dev/hdb1 1 19457 156288321 83 Linux |
| 10:24.39 | hark | Diamond: specify it with -t. how are you using the command? |
| 10:24.43 | pstickne | Diamond, `cat /proc/partitions` |
| 10:24.49 | ThomasPorter | Wyzard: I have an older copy of a net int.. will it still work, just a different command? |
| 10:24.51 | pstickne | mount /dev/hdb1 /media/hdb1 |
| 10:24.52 | stoned | Wyzard: is there a reason that you're running amd64 on a core 2 duo? |
| 10:24.53 | Wyzard | stoned: Aside from 2.6.17's lack of JMicron and RTL8168 support, no problems |
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| 10:25.15 | stoned | Wyzard: 64 is what? better? its not true 64 bit is it? |
| 10:25.24 | stoned | never delved into that kinda stuff |
| 10:25.29 | stoned | kinda clueless really |
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| 10:25.37 | Wyzard | stoned: What do you mean by "true" 64-bit? |
| 10:25.49 | chris_goe | kernel+userland |
| 10:25.49 | Wyzard | amd64 is a 64-bit instruction set architecture |
| 10:25.52 | pstickne | it really depends how you define 64-bit ;) |
| 10:25.55 | stoned | I mean its got 64 bit extentions its not exclusively 64 is it |
| 10:26.14 | stoned | Wyzard: I'm talking about the core 2 duo |
| 10:26.27 | sxpert | stoned, once in 64 bits mode, the architecture is very different from x86. |
| 10:26.28 | concept10 | stoned, same as amd |
| 10:26.28 | Wyzard | It's 64-bit in the same sense that Pentium processors are 32-bit even though they can still execute 16-bit code |
| 10:26.37 | sxpert | all registers become non-specific |
| 10:26.52 | stoned | Wyzard: you said you were running amd64 kernel on e6600 cpu |
| 10:27.02 | Wyzard | yes |
| 10:27.03 | stoned | what is the reason you're not using an intel kernel? |
| 10:27.28 | Wyzard | There's no difference |
| 10:27.28 | stoned | oh |
| 10:27.28 | stoned | really? |
| 10:27.36 | concept10 | intel uses amd's spec for 64 bits |
| 10:27.39 | stoned | so why are there two different kernels then |
| 10:27.49 | xingu | stoned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD64 |
| 10:27.55 | Wyzard | In fact, there are "-em64t" kernel packages which are just transitional packages that install the corresponding -amd64 kernels |
| 10:28.01 | quintin | Wyzard: I'm using rtl8100 and it works super..... |
| 10:28.17 | stoned | but why use the amd64 kernel |
| 10:28.21 | Wyzard | The more generic name is "x86_64", but AMD invented it so it's commonly called "amd64" |
| 10:28.26 | stoned | is there any advantage to using it on core 2 duo cpu? |
| 10:28.36 | stoned | I see |
| 10:28.59 | stoned | so right now I'm running a 64 bit os? |
| 10:29.01 | xingu | stoned: depends on instruction mix; more gp registers are always good. |
| 10:29.10 | Wyzard | Debian has an entire port called "amd64", alongside the more common "i386", and "ppc" and "sparc", etc. |
| 10:29.15 | stoned | Linux desktop 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri Feb 2 14:28:35 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:29.17 | xingu | stoned: but read the wiki page, all this stuff is in it. |
| 10:29.18 | stoned | this is my kernel |
| 10:29.25 | stoned | xingu: can't right now |
| 10:29.27 | stoned | but I will soon |
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| 10:29.52 | stoned | so right now I'm running a 64 bit os? |
| 10:29.59 | Wyzard | If you're running amd64 Debian, yes |
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| 10:30.03 | stoned | wow |
| 10:30.12 | stoned | welcome stoned to the 21'st century |
| 10:30.16 | stoned | yippy! |
| 10:30.29 | Wyzard | 32-bit Debian is called "i386" but you don't think you're doing something wrong if you're running it on an AMD processor rather than an Intel 386 |
| 10:30.43 | Wyzard | same goes for amd64... Intel and AMD both implement it |
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| 10:31.06 | stoned | so if you want to use ia_64 debian, you'd install the amd64 port? |
| 10:31.11 | pstickne | it's kind of a shame it is still shackled to IA32 |
| 10:31.20 | Wyzard | No, IA64 is a different, incompatible 64-bit architecture |
| 10:31.22 | pstickne | no, IA64 != AMD64 |
| 10:31.26 | Wyzard | That's Itanium |
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| 10:31.30 | stoned | ah |
| 10:31.39 | stoned | let me rephrase |
| 10:31.39 | Wyzard | It flopped because it wasn't very backward-compatible |
| 10:31.40 | Arafangion | stoned: intel made a 64-bit arch, then AMD took the competition, then Intel copied it. |
| 10:31.57 | stoned | so if you want to use 64 bit intel debian, I'd use amd64 debian os? |
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| 10:32.13 | Wyzard | AMD made a better 64-bit arch that *is* backward-compatible, and Intel copied it but called it "em64t" so it wouldn't look like they were just following AMD's lead |
| 10:32.15 | xingu | ia64 is also intel and 64bit |
| 10:32.19 | pstickne | stoned, unless you have an IA64 chip ;) |
| 10:32.29 | stoned | pstickne: don't confuse me or i'll spank you |
| 10:32.33 | xingu | the term you're grappling for is PNI or em64t |
| 10:32.37 | stoned | I have core 2 duo |
| 10:32.39 | Wyzard | For a Core 2 Duo, amd64 is the correct arch to use if you want to run 64-bit Debian |
| 10:32.48 | xingu | core2duo is PNI |
| 10:32.49 | stoned | ok |
| 10:32.54 | stoned | thats all i needed to know |
| 10:32.57 | pstickne | xingu, PNI? |
| 10:33.04 | stoned | Wyzard: thanks.. guys: thanks |
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| 10:33.07 | xingu | prescott new instructions |
| 10:33.09 | Wyzard | pstickne: Prescott New Instructions, I believe |
| 10:33.28 | stoned | here is another question. Is there an advantage of using 64 bit debian vs. 32 bit? |
| 10:33.35 | Wyzard | In most cases, no |
| 10:33.51 | stoned | 64 bit is not better? or faster? |
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| 10:33.57 | stoned | why does it exist? |
| 10:34.03 | pstickne | Wyzard, although I don't know if I'd call AMD's 64-bit implementation better... backwards compatibility aside. |
| 10:34.04 | Wyzard | There are some potential slight performance advantages and some potential slight performance drawbacks |
| 10:34.05 | Arafangion | stoned: Supports more memory. |
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| 10:34.15 | stoned | Arafangion: is that it? |
| 10:34.28 | xingu | no, read the wiki page |
| 10:34.43 | Arafangion | stoned: Pretty much, speaking from the perspective of a consumer, and allows you to use larger, contigious chunks of memory as well. |
| 10:34.45 | xingu | prescott means a bump to the simd set, support for nx, more gp registers, and vte. |
| 10:34.49 | Wyzard | stoned: It makes a difference to certain programs that need to work with large datasets, such as large files or lots of data in memory |
| 10:35.15 | Wyzard | For other stuff, it doesn't matter |
| 10:35.30 | stoned | if i have an ati card and don't want 3d what oss driver would I use? |
| 10:35.33 | stoned | this is my first ati card ever |
| 10:35.37 | xingu | it's all good, and most of it unavailable unless ring0 is set up for em64t. |
| 10:35.37 | stoned | x1900xt |
| 10:35.46 | gcbirzan_ | stoned: You don't, most likely. |
| 10:35.47 | stoned | or do i need fglrx? |
| 10:36.03 | stoned | gcbirzan_: what |
| 10:36.04 | stoned | ? |
| 10:36.08 | gcbirzan_ | Though. Not sure on that one. I have an 1400 and I have to use fglrx. |
| 10:36.12 | enouf | xingu: IINM prescott is/was p4 (and their 8xx D series) tech .. core2duo is diff |
| 10:36.17 | Arafangion | stoned: Try the default, oss driver, if that works well for you, great. |
| 10:36.23 | Wyzard | Some newer ATI cards aren't supported by the free ATI driver |
| 10:36.25 | Arafangion | stoned: Otherwise try the proprietary driver. |
| 10:36.28 | stoned | enouf: the daily etch di images use which kernel? |
| 10:36.37 | Wyzard | so fglrx might be the only option, depending on how new your card is |
| 10:36.44 | stoned | X1900XTX |
| 10:36.45 | enouf | stoned: you're already running it .. .18-4 |
| 10:36.57 | Arafangion | stoned: Just don't run vesa. |
| 10:37.04 | xingu | enouf: nocona; but the arch bump is prescott. |
| 10:37.19 | enouf | stoned: you'll need keren;.org sources for higher .. or delve into experimental ,aybe |
| 10:37.30 | xingu | enouf: s/arch/isa/ whatever. |
| 10:37.46 | enouf | xingu: I need to look into the more .. ok |
| 10:37.47 | stoned | well my hw works, apparantly im running a 64 bit debian |
| 10:37.49 | stoned | same as wiz |
| 10:37.55 | stoned | so I guess I'm good |
| 10:38.01 | stoned | let me finish setting it up |
| 10:38.04 | stoned | read the wiki |
| 10:38.09 | stoned | then i'll be back later |
| 10:38.22 | enouf | yep .. no flashcrap for you without ia32-libs and /or a chroot :-P |
| 10:38.34 | xingu | it's not a bug, it's a feature! |
| 10:38.38 | hark | or ..codecs |
| 10:38.40 | stoned | huh? |
| 10:38.40 | enouf | hah! |
| 10:38.41 | stoned | flash? |
| 10:38.47 | Wyzard | There's no 64-bit Flash |
| 10:38.51 | stoned | you mean like web anims? |
| 10:38.53 | Wyzard | right |
| 10:39.00 | stoned | who gives a shit about flash anyway |
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| 10:39.06 | enouf | attaboy! |
| 10:39.16 | Wyzard | There's also no 64-bit Java plugin, oddly |
| 10:39.23 | stoned | don't need java |
| 10:39.24 | enouf | !hug stoned with Guerin |
| 10:39.26 | Wyzard | even though there's 64-bit Java, there's no browser plugin |
| 10:39.33 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Odd. |
| 10:39.38 | stoned | you know |
| 10:39.41 | stoned | on second thought |
| 10:39.42 | xingu | this is the /real/ hidden story for pni though - http://www.intel.com/technology/itj/2006/v10i3/1-hardware/6-vt-x-vt-i-solutions.htm |
| 10:39.44 | hark | wine too |
| 10:39.49 | stoned | google video/youtube uses flash |
| 10:40.01 | Wyzard | yep |
| 10:40.02 | valdyn | Wyzard: there's java-gcj-compat-plugin |
| 10:40.05 | stoned | and I use frostwire |
| 10:40.06 | enouf | see nvz |
| 10:40.11 | stoned | so I guess i'd need java too |
| 10:40.18 | Wyzard | valdyn: Good point... I mean Sun Java |
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| 10:40.29 | stoned | Wyzard: oh no browser plugin |
| 10:40.33 | stoned | I can still use frostwire eh? |
| 10:41.00 | Arafangion | Bah, Java's multi-platform - write once, run anywhere. It'll run on any platform and system. |
| 10:41.26 | xingu | must be imagining it. |
| 10:41.45 | Wyzard | xingu: Recently released? |
| 10:41.47 | psyco-obiwan | what could reduce the total mem free ^ti 906716 in a machine with 1GB Ram ? |
| 10:41.58 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Or they could make Safari 64-bit, and get it to use 32-bit plugins via another process, using IPC. |
| 10:42.05 | robin_sz | bah, why is MRTG confusing me so? |
| 10:42.27 | robin_sz | d |
| 10:42.34 | Wyzard | xingu: Last I checked was a few months ago, but lack of a 64-bit Java browser plugin was the second-highest-rated item on Sun's list of user-submitted-and-voted feature requests |
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| 10:42.39 | Arafangion | psyco-obiwan: It's normal to operate with only 4 or 8 MB of ram free. |
| 10:42.50 | Arafangion | psyco-obiwan: The rest is either used by applications, or the disk cache. |
| 10:42.55 | pstickne | psyco-obiwan, huh? |
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| 10:43.18 | psyco-obiwan | Arafangion: no i mean i have 2*512MB Ram in the machine, but it shows only a total 0f 906'716 when issueing free |
| 10:43.20 | quintin | pstickne: you're not supposed to have any free ram |
| 10:43.28 | robin_sz | Arafangion, assuming that the machine is doing all you need, then yes thats fine .. after all, there is still the cache to shuffel stuff off that is not needed right now |
| 10:43.29 | quintin | psyco-obiwan: duh |
| 10:43.31 | pstickne | quintin, no, I was wondering what the question was about |
| 10:43.32 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: that's default in kernel.org sources for 32-bit systems, you could use a debian kernel or enable High Memory Support |
| 10:43.34 | quintin | psyco-obiwan: free ram is wasted ram |
| 10:43.43 | psyco-obiwan | total, reads to me as TOTAL, that means sth near 1024-kernel |
| 10:43.55 | psyco-obiwan | i talk about TOTAL not free |
| 10:43.59 | Arafangion | psyco-obiwan: Using shared graphics memory? |
| 10:44.01 | pstickne | quintin, although ... I have ~590MB free, 120MB buffers and 404MB cached ;) |
| 10:44.16 | robin_sz | mmm buffers! |
| 10:44.19 | psyco-obiwan | Arafangion: thx, how can i check that possibly except bios ? |
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| 10:44.38 | pstickne | psyco-obiwan, /proc/meminfo |
| 10:44.39 | xingu | Wyzard: jre-6-solaris-amd64.sh ? |
| 10:44.49 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: oh and in sarge i think high memory support is still off be default, so you'd have to compile your own for instance |
| 10:45.04 | Arafangion | valdyn: You sure about that? |
| 10:45.05 | pstickne | psyco-obiwan, and unless something is telling the kernel to limit the memory somehow... |
| 10:45.11 | valdyn | Arafangion: yes |
| 10:45.13 | pstickne | 1GB isn't high memory.. |
| 10:45.15 | quintin | valdyn: this is foolish for 1g |
| 10:45.24 | valdyn | quintin: why? |
| 10:45.26 | Arafangion | valdyn: From memory, the limit in that case was 840M or thereabouts. |
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| 10:45.38 | Wyzard | xingu: I never said there's no 64-bit JRE... I can run Azureus and Eclipse just fine on this amd64 system |
| 10:45.38 | Arafangion | valdyn: He's got just over 900 MB. |
| 10:45.40 | valdyn | Arafangion: no, its about what you said |
| 10:45.43 | enouf | xingu: http://mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ104.htm#Prescott and http://mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ306.htm#Conroe to get an idea of the relationship .. not much |
| 10:45.48 | valdyn | Arafangion: no, its about what he said |
| 10:45.52 | Wyzard | xingu: But the 64-bit JRE lacks the *browser plugin* for running applets in a browser |
| 10:46.05 | scv | I guess you need 2GB ram to get vista smooth |
| 10:46.09 | Wyzard | xingu: unless they've added one in the past few months |
| 10:46.12 | valdyn | !906716/1024 |
| 10:46.13 | dpkg | 885.46484375 |
| 10:46.15 | pstickne | scv, that's kind of sad :p |
| 10:46.18 | valdyn | Arafangion: ^^^ |
| 10:46.25 | scv | and each patch... +512M |
| 10:46.42 | valdyn | Arafangion: that's not 900MB |
| 10:46.49 | Arafangion | valdyn: I remembered about 8xxMB, so 885.46 MB sounds about right :) |
| 10:46.50 | psyco-obiwan | ok, so which value would tell me how much has been reserved from system use in /proc/meminfo ? |
| 10:46.54 | scv | so, vista SV3 ~= 3.5GB |
| 10:47.04 | Arafangion | valdyn: Sorry, was using ISO standard MB's. |
| 10:47.07 | quintin | Wyzard: azureus sux |
| 10:47.15 | pstickne | scv, on the other hand, the slow migration to a proper accelerated window server is sad too :( |
| 10:47.27 | pstickne | psyco-obiwan, you can't see *that* |
| 10:47.30 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: uname -r |
| 10:47.34 | Arafangion | valdyn: If you want to use 1024's, use MiB, but I digress. |
| 10:47.42 | quintin | scv: it runs fine with 512m |
| 10:47.45 | pstickne | psyco-obiwan, so take what you have installed, minus what it says is max, and that is system-reserved |
| 10:47.46 | Wyzard | quintin: works well enough for me, and it's a lot more flexible than btdownloadcurses |
| 10:47.46 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 10:47.47 | valdyn | Arafangion: yea, true. |
| 10:47.50 | scv | MIB? |
| 10:47.54 | scv | hahaha |
| 10:48.02 | quintin | Wyzard: rtorrent is the best |
| 10:48.12 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: use a different kernel, 2.6.8-3-386-smp should have high memory support, or build your own |
| 10:48.13 | Wyzard | scv: MiB, not MIB |
| 10:48.17 | scv | oh |
| 10:48.17 | pstickne | I used utorrent in wine... |
| 10:48.21 | Wyzard | scv: mebibytes |
| 10:48.22 | quintin | MIB?! ohnoz |
| 10:48.33 | scv | I dislike |
| 10:48.34 | pstickne | valdyn, I don't know what you're talking about... |
| 10:48.42 | Arafangion | scv: The ISO standard is that the 'M' prefix indicates "million", ie, million bytes. |
| 10:48.49 | valdyn | pstickne: im not talking to you, np |
| 10:48.51 | Wyzard | not 1048576 |
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| 10:48.56 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: i thought highmem support is an issue from 1GB and above ? |
| 10:48.56 | pstickne | valdyn, with default-build kernels from sarge I've NEVER had a problem with 1.5GB |
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| 10:49.07 | Wyzard | so a mebibyte is 1048576 bytes |
| 10:49.08 | valdyn | pstickne: that's wrong |
| 10:49.10 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:49.11 | pstickne | valdyn, so it seems really silly that this would affect 1GB |
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| 10:49.28 | valdyn | pstickne: ops, nm |
| 10:49.31 | pstickne | valdyn, I installed the latest 2.4 default then upgraded to like 10 2.6 kernels later |
| 10:49.33 | valdyn | pstickne: that's wrong |
| 10:49.38 | valdyn | fuck nick completeion |
| 10:49.42 | Arafangion | Guys, I'll confirm that, with OldStable at least, the 1GB limit is *definetly* there. |
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| 10:49.45 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: that's wrong ) |
| 10:49.47 | pstickne | valdyn, and in each case I was able to see all my memory... |
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| 10:50.31 | pstickne | Wyzard, I don't even know what "NX" does ^^ |
| 10:50.39 | Wyzard | No Execute |
| 10:50.44 | valdyn | pstickne: but you're wrong too anyway, the standard uniprocessor sarge kernels do not have high memory support |
| 10:50.46 | Wyzard | aka XD, for Execute Disable |
| 10:50.46 | scv | can NX bit be done in software? |
| 10:50.49 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: do you have some background reading links for me handy, its a productive site and i can't just swap kernels without prior justification ;-( |
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| 10:51.00 | Arafangion | Wyzard: I'm sure the OpenBSD kernels also do that ;) |
| 10:51.03 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: ok |
| 10:51.05 | enouf | nice read for those who care http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/core.ars/4 |
| 10:51.12 | Wyzard | It's a safeguard against buffer overflows -- don't allow instructions to be executed out of data pages |
| 10:51.12 | pstickne | valdyn, I could access all my 1.5GB of memory just fine. so bigmem isn't an issue with just 1.5GB (on my lowly p-m) |
| 10:51.14 | Arafangion | scv: No. |
| 10:51.15 | scv | Arafangion, hehehe |
| 10:51.22 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: you can just ignore that few mb 'lost' ram |
| 10:51.30 | scv | Arafangion, obsd +1 |
| 10:51.32 | Wyzard | scv: It can, and it's implemented by the "grsecurity" patch, but there's a performance hit |
| 10:51.36 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: i said high memory support |
| 10:51.40 | xingu | Wyzard: aah, you're quite correct - oh well. :) |
| 10:51.41 | pstickne | Wyzard, sounds kind of like magic-quotes in PHP ... don't fix the language, fix the problems :p |
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| 10:51.46 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: oh i can well, but the site owner is making a big thing of it ;-) |
| 10:51.47 | Wyzard | Arafangion: NX is a hardware feature, not a kernel feature |
| 10:51.58 | scv | who cares> |
| 10:51.58 | valdyn | pstickne: HIGHMEM4G |
| 10:52.10 | pstickne | valdyn, why is it needed for 1GB? |
| 10:52.14 | psyco-obiwan | the story is, its a sun v20z, and another 1GB ram would cost roughly 700US$.... |
| 10:52.17 | Arafangion | Wyzard: So? |
| 10:52.30 | xingu | Wyzard: I was thinking of a sol8x86 system which is obviously a 32bit userland and getting confused with the sol10x86 amd64 userland. |
| 10:52.32 | Wyzard | pstickne: Actually it's just correcting a historical omission in the x86 design... my understanding is that most other processor architectures already have the equivalent |
| 10:52.37 | scv | I don't think fake64 can do too much thing in 4GB ram |
| 10:52.43 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Ahh, you must have the wrong nick. :) |
| 10:52.53 | raz0 | pstickne, Yeah. Let's fix every buffer overflow bug in every piece of software every made... |
| 10:53.03 | raz0 | *ever |
| 10:53.11 | Wyzard | Arafangion: No, I was responding to "I'm sure the OpenBSD kernels also do that" |
| 10:53.13 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: you can read german? |
| 10:53.14 | pstickne | raz0, nah, I'm not saying it's not good--I was just making a comparison. |
| 10:53.24 | raz0 | A bad one. :( |
| 10:53.29 | pstickne | raz0, :( |
| 10:53.30 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: im swiss, so i guess yeah ;-) |
| 10:53.32 | Wyzard | Arafangion: OpenBSD probably does support NX, but only in "bigmem"-enabled kernels |
| 10:53.35 | scv | Wyzard, obsd has some extra protection |
| 10:53.39 | psyco-obiwan | im just reading http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 10:53.46 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: http://wiki.debianforum.de/LinuxSpeichermanagement |
| 10:53.58 | Wyzard | Arafangion: The NX bit is part of the PAE page table, so it only works when the processor is in PAE mode |
| 10:54.15 | scv | oh |
| 10:54.20 | scv | really? |
| 10:54.23 | Arafangion | Wyzard: Very well. :) |
| 10:54.37 | scv | so, it's a fraud? |
| 10:54.39 | psyco-obiwan | oh, yeah, thx...that is this page which has in big letter written above "JUSTIFICATION FOR REBOOT" ;-)) THX for the help and expert advice! |
| 10:54.43 | Wyzard | scv: probably similar to what grsecurity does, I'd imagine... software execution prevention, which works by TLB hackery and incurs a performance penalty |
| 10:55.11 | Wyzard | NX provides a hardware feature so you don't need the TLB hackery and can avoid the performance hit |
| 10:55.12 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: if you can read german, that url explains it nicely |
| 10:55.35 | scv | lol |
| 10:55.40 | psyco-obiwan | valdyn: yeah, it perfectly explains my case, thx a lot! |
| 10:55.44 | Wyzard | but only in PAE mode, so you need a "-bigmem" kernel (since those are the ones built with the CONFIG_64G option, which is really the "enable PAE" option) |
| 10:56.16 | Arafangion | Wyzard: I always wondered what was the difference between the 8GB option, (Or wasit 4GB?), and the 65G option. |
| 10:56.18 | enouf | PAE is only needed on bit kernels though |
| 10:56.27 | enouf | er 32 |
| 10:56.38 | Wyzard | right |
| 10:56.39 | enouf | fscken NumLock |
| 10:56.43 | scv | how many people have 64GB ram on their mobos |
| 10:56.48 | scv | I doubt |
| 10:57.09 | valdyn | scv: 5 is enough to need this feature |
| 10:57.18 | scv | 4GB ram = lot of money now |
| 10:57.24 | scv | s/lot/lots |
| 10:57.33 | pstickne | scv, not too much money... |
| 10:57.37 | valdyn | not much ram for a big server.. |
| 10:57.40 | Wyzard | Arafangion: 4GB, but I don't remember exactly what that option does... IIRC it adjusts the boundary between userspace and kernelspace in a process's 4GB address space, or something to that effect |
| 10:57.41 | scv | oh |
| 10:57.57 | Wyzard | scv: I have 2GB in this box and it's just a (high-end) desktop |
| 10:58.07 | Arafangion | Wyzard: That can't be it, the 2/2, 3/1, and 4/4 splits are elsewhere. |
| 10:58.09 | valdyn | scv: kernel.org runs on 2 '24 GB of RAM' servers |
| 10:58.14 | Wyzard | scv: I know someone who bought an additional 1GB for his Macbook just a few days ago |
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| 10:58.17 | enouf | Arafangion: there's 2 one for 4GB 32bit limitation and one for 64GB |
| 10:58.19 | pstickne | I'd guess you could get 4GB for about $400USD or less.. |
| 10:58.21 | czr | Wyzard, it allows to allocate each userspace process max 4GiB virtual space. changes the mapping tables in kernel (making traversal slightly slower) |
| 10:58.30 | scv | my recycled low-end pc has 2GB too |
| 10:58.36 | czr | mainly useful if you run xen even with less than 4GiB memory |
| 10:58.46 | czr | since that way the kernel can be mapped directly within the vm. |
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| 10:59.30 | scv | 4GiM ram + high-clock cpu = good for an enmulator |
| 10:59.36 | scv | emulator |
| 10:59.39 | CharminTheMoose | does anyone know if there is a kernel option in the 2.4.27 kernel to support booting raw images? |
| 10:59.42 | scv | hehehe |
| 10:59.53 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: to WHAT? |
| 11:00.03 | enouf | many consumer Mobos crap out at 3.5ish GB because they have no memmap IO , into upper mem quadrant and that area needs reserving |
| 11:00.14 | Arafangion | CharminTheMoose: Why do you want to boot raw images? |
| 11:00.15 | Thms | hello, I just installed phpmyadmin but when I go to localhost/phpmyadmin username root and no pass that give me "#1045 - Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO" how can I do ? |
| 11:00.18 | valdyn | CharminTheMoose: uncompressed kernel images? what's a raw image? |
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| 11:00.32 | enouf | IOW, the consumer boeards can't remap it ans make use of it |
| 11:00.32 | scv | can linux use all 4GiB ram? |
| 11:00.34 | Wyzard | Arafangion: dunno offhand then... I've never paid much attention to that 4GB option |
| 11:00.41 | valdyn | scv: yes |
| 11:00.41 | enouf | ofcourse |
| 11:00.46 | scv | umm |
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| 11:00.54 | Wyzard | scv: Linux can use up to 64GB of RAM, with a PAE-enabled kernel |
| 11:00.57 | czr | all and all. some will be reserved :-) |
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| 11:01.08 | enouf | certain chipsets/mobo combos (consumer grade mostly) can't handle it |
| 11:01.16 | Arafangion | Thms: Many programs deny root, for excellent security reasons. DO NOT USE ROOT. |
| 11:01.25 | enouf | but I've seen Dual Xeon setups with the sisue |
| 11:01.43 | czr | enouf, older xeons didn't have iommu anyway |
| 11:01.55 | Thms | Arafangion: it's phpmyadmin ! |
| 11:02.02 | Arafangion | Thms: So? |
| 11:02.03 | enouf | czr: ahh .. how old ? :-) |
| 11:02.10 | czr | enouf, anything with P4-core |
| 11:02.15 | czr | enouf, and older |
| 11:02.34 | Wyzard | iommu... last place I heard that mentioned was in the Xen FAQ where it says an iommu is needed to be able to use 3D cards with Windows guests |
| 11:02.35 | scv | P4 is a failure |
| 11:02.39 | czr | enouf, but if you run them with long-mode, it's not that bad. |
| 11:02.54 | enouf | right .. and I've even seen a Dual opteron tyan board poop out at 3.5ish |
| 11:02.59 | CharminTheMoose | nvm... |
| 11:03.05 | enouf | ok |
| 11:03.12 | xingu | enouf: hmm, so pni is just the enhanced simd isa; still, there's no denying that the merom micro-arch is worth letting out of the bag by turning on sse3 and em64t featuresets. |
| 11:03.30 | xingu | enouf: ... and that for some instruction mixes it will be thunderingly fast if you do so |
| 11:03.34 | czr | enouf, I just hope most of the hw-problems will slowly disappear with newer hw once people start installing vista and getting more memory and such. |
| 11:03.47 | scv | I am waiting for intel's fast core 1 |
| 11:03.56 | scv | single core |
| 11:04.04 | xingu | I'm waiting for the 45nm die shrink. :) |
| 11:04.08 | scv | nothing useless else |
| 11:04.08 | Arafangion | czr: Got a friend buying a computer with 256 MB of *video* memory. Vista's hardware req's are insane! |
| 11:04.21 | czr | I'm waiting for a hardware setup that doesn't contain bugs. been waiting for last 10 years. |
| 11:04.27 | xingu | hah |
| 11:04.30 | Wyzard | scv: Wouldn't that be the Core 2 Solo? |
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| 11:04.38 | scv | 45nm + single core + high-clock = the future |
| 11:04.38 | czr | Arafangion, that's besides the point :-) |
| 11:04.46 | Arafangion | czr: Get a Palm PDA ;) |
| 11:04.46 | Wyzard | scv: There's already a Core Solo |
| 11:04.46 | stoned | alright so I'm on 32 bit debian now |
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| 11:04.56 | stoned | /bin/sh: 2.6.18-4-686: command not found |
| 11:04.59 | stoned | doh |
| 11:05.01 | scv | +single channal ram + no sli/crossfire |
| 11:05.02 | czr | Arafangion, err, I have one (palm III), that too, is besides the point :-) |
| 11:05.08 | stoned | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 11:05.29 | stoned | net/jmb works now |
| 11:05.37 | stoned | I used a daily etch di |
| 11:05.39 | Wyzard | stoned: You're going to skip out on running a 64-bit OS just for the sake of YouTube? :-P |
| 11:05.39 | pstickne | scv, mkay... |
| 11:05.45 | stoned | Wyzard: yup |
| 11:05.45 | scv | I think they are used the clone pc market for testing... |
| 11:06.06 | scv | thay made some sh!t to us |
| 11:06.07 | Arafangion | czr: No, it's not besides the point, not when my Palm T|X is much faster and has more RAM than my first PC. |
| 11:06.18 | stoned | Wyzard: you said there isn't really a difference |
| 11:06.36 | stoned | Wyzard: I use this as my main desktop machine.. I need entertainment |
| 11:06.37 | czr | Arafangion, fast/more ram is besides the point. containing no hardware bugs was the point. |
| 11:06.50 | Wyzard | stoned: Currently there isn't, though as time goes on 64-bit will likely become more important |
| 11:06.56 | pstickne | I think most bugs come from software ... :/ |
| 11:07.02 | Arafangion | pstickne: Incorrect. |
| 11:07.06 | enouf | Arafangion: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130072 only 550 After MOR .. lol |
| 11:07.11 | stoned | Wyzard: what is the factoid for sourcing .bashrc |
| 11:07.12 | enouf | er MIR |
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| 11:07.15 | pstickne | Arafangion, most bugs _I_ have run into are software. |
| 11:07.38 | Arafangion | pstickne: Probably because the kernel guys are very clever. |
| 11:07.39 | stoned | where do I specify source ~/.bashrc again? I forgot |
| 11:07.40 | scv | who is the boss of newegg? |
| 11:07.42 | enouf | HDCP approved! ..w00t |
| 11:07.50 | Thug-N-Me | why Places > NetworkServers donest browser the windows machine ? |
| 11:07.52 | enouf | I am! |
| 11:07.54 | valdyn | !dotfiles |
| 11:07.54 | dpkg | i guess dotfiles is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles |
| 11:07.56 | scv | O.o |
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| 11:08.06 | scv | no, you are just a salesman |
| 11:08.06 | pstickne | Arafangion, I stand by my statement anyway. Maintain a fleet of windows machines.... |
| 11:08.09 | scv | hahaha |
| 11:08.23 | stoned | valdyn: can you just tell me? |
| 11:08.27 | Arafangion | pstickne: Actually, Windows XP isn't too bad. |
| 11:08.34 | Arafangion | pstickne: (Especially now that Vista's out) |
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| 11:08.52 | pstickne | Arafangion, and all the windows programs... |
| 11:08.56 | xingu | means you can balance contention between batch and interactive workloads with zero effort... |
| 11:09.00 | stoned | !bashrc |
| 11:09.00 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. |
| 11:09.13 | stoned | ok so I was right |
| 11:09.15 | sander | Anyone know what's inside my .mozilla folder which causes my flash player 9 plugin to not work correctly? |
| 11:09.15 | scv | XP is fast than 98, and Vista is faster than XP.... and so on |
| 11:09.20 | pstickne | Arafangion, there are MANY programs I've used with bugs (not even counting the ones... and patches or lack thereof in the OS itself) |
| 11:09.24 | stoned | I did this already, however my .bashrc isn't being read |
| 11:09.38 | hark | that's because you're using a dm |
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| 11:09.52 | czr | pstickne, all programs have bugs :-) |
| 11:09.53 | scv | hahaha |
| 11:09.54 | Christoffer | does anyone know how to see the bandwidth that's incomming/outcomming? |
| 11:09.59 | xingu | scv: up to a point; some of the older OS's now fit entirely in cache. |
| 11:10.02 | stoned | ifconfig |
| 11:10.05 | sander | When I move the .mozilla folder away.. the flash player 9 plugin is working correctly. |
| 11:10.08 | stoned | kinda |
| 11:10.13 | scv | hahahahaha +1 |
| 11:10.15 | Wyzard | Christoffer: bwm or bwm-ng |
| 11:10.27 | stoned | any idea |
| 11:10.30 | sander | scv, this problem I got.. seems impossible to solve.. :-p |
| 11:10.38 | stoned | I've sourced my .bashrc but it isn't being read |
| 11:10.41 | pstickne | czr, I don't know if `all' fits but it is definitely the case that not all bugs are equal... |
| 11:10.44 | stoned | I logged out and back in |
| 11:10.56 | Christoffer | not working Wyzard, tried to install it too - no success. |
| 11:11.14 | Wyzard | Christoffer: You're unable to install either of those packages? |
| 11:11.21 | stoned | oh |
| 11:11.22 | stoned | nm |
| 11:11.33 | stoned | goddamnit, I forgot to rename .bashrc.bak to .bashrc |
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| 11:11.46 | czr | pstickne, of course. I've found it quite funny to see how end-users have slowly learned to expect unexpected behaviour in programs. "blue-screen? again? well, i'll just reboot", etc. |
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| 11:13.01 | Christoffer | yes Wyzard |
| 11:13.26 | Wyzard | Christoffer: Well, what happens when you try to install them? |
| 11:13.34 | scv | Wyzard = wizard? |
| 11:13.41 | Wyzard | Christoffer: Packages randomly failing to install isn't a normal occurrence that you should just shrug off |
| 11:14.12 | Wyzard | scv: No, I am not really a wizard -- magic unfortunately does not exist :-( |
| 11:14.21 | Wyzard | If this were Middle Earth I'm sure I would be, though |
| 11:14.23 | scv | hahaha |
| 11:14.39 | czr | Wyzard, locate magic -> lot of magic :-) |
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| 11:15.01 | Christoffer | Wyzard, nothing - doesnt find the package |
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| 11:15.07 | dog | goodmorning |
| 11:15.14 | scv | hi, Doat |
| 11:15.21 | Christoffer | morning |
| 11:15.21 | scv | ... |
| 11:15.28 | xingu | enouf: aah, I was right; the em64t stuff first turned up in xeon aka nocona - which is a prescott core. |
| 11:15.32 | scv | it's 11:20 now |
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| 11:15.57 | stoned | awe I need a 500gb disk |
| 11:16.04 | Wyzard | Christoffer: bwm-ng is only in testing/unstable, but bwm is in sarge |
| 11:16.15 | scv | 500gb? |
| 11:16.17 | stoned | so I can format it as ext3 and move all my data to it.. so then I can wipe these ntfs drives clean |
| 11:16.20 | scv | for what? |
| 11:16.22 | czr | I just bought a 320GiB usb2/lacie disk. crap performance (the usb-translator is very slow in the device) |
| 11:16.24 | dog | when i try to connect telnet to a smtp service it says to me No trace to route |
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| 11:16.32 | Hamish | hello |
| 11:16.36 | stoned | so I can go back to linux |
| 11:16.37 | dog | do you know why? |
| 11:16.37 | Diamond | Hi |
| 11:16.37 | Wyzard | czr: yeah, USB isn't great for hard drives |
| 11:16.46 | czr | Wyzard, it could be better |
| 11:16.47 | Hamish | when i change the locale on my debian dedicated server |
| 11:16.48 | enouf | xingu: but that has nothing to do with the design of coreduo and how it works |
| 11:16.48 | stoned | I'd been using windows for a while cuz of hw problems |
| 11:16.50 | Hamish | it doesnt have any effect |
| 11:16.50 | Diamond | i have a simple question i suppose.. |
| 11:16.55 | Hamish | even though i set it to en_GB |
| 11:16.57 | Wyzard | czr: 1394 or eSATA are much better |
| 11:16.58 | xingu | enouf: no, but pni is isa, not implementation. |
| 11:17.00 | Hamish | everything is still in german |
| 11:17.01 | czr | Wyzard, it's the translator chip in lacie. the bus coule easily handle more |
| 11:17.05 | Diamond | when i add a new user how do i change his home dir ? |
| 11:17.06 | stoned | or if I can find good rw support for ntfs |
| 11:17.17 | xingu | enouf: that much I agree on, but pni is the full shebang, even if bits are masked off on the prescott itself. |
| 11:17.25 | enouf | xingu: yeah .. they somehow managed to cram netburst and p-m archs together |
| 11:17.30 | hark | stoned: ntfs-3g |
| 11:17.37 | dog | can you help me? |
| 11:17.37 | czr | Wyzard, the 1394 ones that I've seen aren't much better either. maybe you've been lucky :-) |
| 11:17.45 | Christoffer | oh, worked now Wyzard |
| 11:17.50 | Diamond | like : adduser nickname / and his home dir should be : /media/hdb1 |
| 11:17.51 | enouf | xingu: oh I see what you're saying |
| 11:17.54 | Thug-N-Me | can anyone please help me mounting my shared folders from the other windows machine with samba ? |
| 11:17.55 | Diamond | is that possible ? |
| 11:18.03 | Thug-N-Me | mount //192.168.0.1/linux /media/sharename/ -o username=myusername,password=mypassword,dmask=777,fmask=777 |
| 11:18.07 | Thug-N-Me | doesnt do anything |
| 11:18.12 | Christoffer | thx Wyzard |
| 11:18.12 | xingu | enouf: targetting pni on nocona would be a dubious benefit; but on merom and later... it's worth it; because the implementation makes the isa sing. |
| 11:18.20 | enouf | xingu: all I remember is that prescotts were room heaters lol |
| 11:18.24 | xingu | :) |
| 11:18.37 | Diamond | someone ? |
| 11:18.41 | czr | enouf, I have two itanium 2:s. talk about room heaters ;-) |
| 11:18.54 | xingu | enouf: ironic - they had the cheek to call the m68060 hot late and slow |
| 11:18.55 | enouf | czr: heh .. you bastage |
| 11:19.13 | czr | enouf, although I hear from a friend that power4 are much much worse. 175W per module. |
| 11:19.23 | scv | O.o |
| 11:19.30 | Diamond | where can i change home dir of some user? |
| 11:19.39 | enouf | omg .. no wonder they have a turbo-type BMX designed cases |
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| 11:19.49 | stoned | does the ati cards have some sort of a twinview optin like nvidia does? |
| 11:19.55 | stoned | do* |
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| 11:20.19 | stoned | or do I have to manually do two monitors in xorg.conf? |
| 11:20.20 | Diamond | Ronin : your there ? |
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| 11:20.28 | stoned | with nvidia its easy, you just twinview it |
| 11:20.30 | Diamond | someone else mabye ? |
| 11:20.31 | scv | twinview = twin money? |
| 11:20.36 | enouf | aticonfig? |
| 11:20.37 | sander | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library .....libNPSVG3.so [libgtksuperwin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] |
| 11:20.45 | stoned | twinview == dual monitor config |
| 11:20.57 | stoned | now I'm pissed off |
| 11:21.01 | sander | anyone know why I get that when loading a flash page in firefox? |
| 11:21.02 | scv | oh |
| 11:21.23 | czr | enouf, I have to confess though. I rather like the itaniums :-). maybe because they've contained zero problems so far. |
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| 11:21.42 | scv | sander, you are in #firefox? |
| 11:21.47 | sander | yes! |
| 11:21.53 | scv | ^_^ |
| 11:22.12 | sander | :-) |
| 11:22.31 | Keith_S | This is going to sound really dumb but how do you extract a .gz ? |
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| 11:22.45 | Thug-N-Me | mount -t smbfs -o username=Administrator //GEORGE/D$ /mnt/george/ whats wrong with this ? |
| 11:22.45 | robin_sz | Keith_S, a tar.gz? |
| 11:22.52 | Thug-N-Me | doesnt let me mount it |
| 11:23.01 | Keith_S | robin_sz: no just .gz |
| 11:23.09 | robin_sz | gunzip <file> |
| 11:23.09 | czr | Thug-N-Me, $ -> \$ |
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| 11:23.38 | Thug-N-Me | czr mount -t smbfs -o username=Administrator //GEORGE\D$ ???????????? |
| 11:23.38 | czr | Thug-N-Me, also check with smbclient that you can actually access the shares first |
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| 11:23.57 | robin_sz | Thug-N-Me, as root? |
| 11:23.59 | czr | Thug-N-Me, no. //george/d\$ |
| 11:24.05 | Thug-N-Me | robin_sz sure |
| 11:24.19 | Thug-N-Me | czr whats that for ? " \$ " ? |
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| 11:24.22 | czr | Thug-N-Me, also check that you have smbfs-package installed |
| 11:24.24 | robin_sz | well, then .. .when it "doesnt let you mount it" .. what does it say ? |
| 11:24.44 | czr | Thug-N-Me, $ = special character for your shell. hence you need to escape it in order for mount to get it |
| 11:24.59 | Thug-N-Me | czr //george/d\$ == You specified an invalid share name |
| 11:25.24 | Thug-N-Me | czr //george/d$== works but invalid pass ... there is no god dam pass required to connect :) |
| 11:25.45 | xingu | x$ shares are hidden in 'doze, usually a local admin equiv credentials are required to connect |
| 11:25.50 | czr | as said, use smbclient first to test out the authentication issues. once that works, use mount |
| 11:26.10 | robin_sz | xingu, noted. |
| 11:26.31 | xingu | would suggest you reshare the path as something saner and not rely on the x$ share at all |
| 11:27.02 | robin_sz | shares with $ in sound like a recipie for trouble |
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| 11:27.09 | Thug-N-Me | czr i dont know how to use smbclient |
| 11:27.12 | czr | I normally suffix with $ so that regular windows users won't see the shares. makes it easier (for them and me) |
| 11:27.33 | czr | Thug-N-Me, smbclient -U Administrator -L hostname, start with that |
| 11:27.34 | pstickne | grr. how can I keep my USB HDD from changing device numbers? |
| 11:27.38 | Thug-N-Me | czr Places > NetworkServers should do this things for me while samba its installed |
| 11:27.43 | czr | Thug-N-Me, that will request a list of shares accessable with that username |
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| 11:27.55 | pstickne | one boot it's /dev/sda, another it's /dev/sdb, etc |
| 11:27.58 | Thug-N-Me | czr works |
| 11:28.20 | czr | Thug-N-Me, then try this: smbclient -U Administrator '//server/d$' |
| 11:28.36 | czr | (smbclient = interactive ftp-like file-transfer program, quite nifty in some cases) |
| 11:28.42 | robin_sz | pstickne, it doesnt matter waht the device is, ignore it |
| 11:29.00 | pstickne | robin_sz, it matters when I have an fstab entry that works 50% of the time |
| 11:29.05 | Thug-N-Me | czr smbclient -U Administrator -L //george/d$ works too ... without any user and pass ;) |
| 11:29.12 | Thug-N-Me | czr how do i mount it ? |
| 11:29.26 | DarkCow | pstickne, look at /dev/disk/ |
| 11:29.30 | robin_sz | pstickne, the whole point of the Linux/Unix filesystem is that it doesnt matter .... stop using the device in fstab, asign a label to the drive, mount using the label, NOT the device |
| 11:29.37 | pstickne | DarkCow, ohh, cool |
| 11:29.49 | czr | Thug-N-Me, try without the -L |
| 11:30.02 | liable | pstickne: write a udev rule for it, so its always named the same |
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| 11:30.20 | pstickne | where would I read on these udev rules? |
| 11:30.35 | robin_sz | I still say adding label to the drive is the correct answer |
| 11:30.43 | pstickne | how do you add a label to the drive? |
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| 11:31.12 | robin_sz | e2label |
| 11:31.38 | Arafangion | pstickne: I think you can only add labels to partitions, using a tool that supports that format. |
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| 11:32.07 | xingu | most filesystems support a guid |
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| 11:33.01 | Thug-N-Me | wtf mount: no such partition found |
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| 11:33.12 | Thug-N-Me | czr aint working man |
| 11:33.26 | robin_sz | using labels, or guids, it works when you add more drives, or move them about. as long as you pick uniques names for your disks, you can always be sure of where they will mount, particualrly handy with arrays of scsi discs where the scsi ID is set by the slot you plug the disc cartridge into |
| 11:33.45 | Thug-N-Me | czr mount -t smbfs -L -U Administrator //george/d$ /mnt/george/ == mount: no such partition found |
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| 11:34.03 | czr | Thug-N-Me, you're mixing smbclient with mount. not a good idea. |
| 11:34.11 | JoelR | is there a tcp wrappers package in etch? |
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| 11:34.21 | czr | Thug-N-Me, you have created /mnt/george/ (mkdir)? |
| 11:34.24 | xingu | JoelR: libwrap |
| 11:34.48 | Thug-N-Me | czr yes its there |
| 11:34.53 | xingu | JoelR: or tcpd; depending on what you want and why |
| 11:35.00 | liable | yeah |
| 11:35.01 | czr | Thug-N-Me, join #wrench |
| 11:35.05 | xingu | JoelR: most debian packages are linked with libwrap anyway |
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| 11:36.21 | azeem | hrm, is there a way to remove grub and reinstate the WindowsXP boot loader from a GNU/Linux rescue disc? |
| 11:36.41 | pstickne | how can I refer to a partition with a label or view the labels of the filesystems I have? |
| 11:37.10 | nvz | azeem: thats what a windowsxp boot media is for. fixmbr |
| 11:37.13 | pstickne | err, doh. |
| 11:37.19 | xingu | pseubodot: mount -l |
| 11:37.23 | azeem | nvz: I don't have any |
| 11:37.27 | nvz | can't go installing os's you dont have boot media for :( |
| 11:37.44 | enouf | azeem: a win98 fdisk /mbr will do it |
| 11:37.48 | nvz | azeem: cant just boot to windows from grub anymore? |
| 11:37.55 | azeem | nvz: it's installed, it's just that grub is busted and won't boot anymore |
| 11:38.12 | pstickne | note to self: be careful with hard-links |
| 11:38.21 | nvz | pstickne: heh |
| 11:38.23 | azeem | well, I asked about possiblities from GNU/Linux because I'm not sure I have any Windows boot media around |
| 11:38.34 | azeem | anyway, I'll burn some netinst and try from there |
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| 11:38.56 | enouf | azeem: info here http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 11:39.24 | nvz | azeem: check out the ms-sys package *shrug* |
| 11:39.28 | nvz | !info ms-sys |
| 11:39.30 | azeem | enouf: grub can't load stage2 |
| 11:39.34 | dpkg | ms-sys: (Write a Microsoft compatible boot record), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 19 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 11:39.39 | azeem | because "somebody" removed the partition it was on |
| 11:39.47 | azeem | nvz: cool, thanks |
| 11:39.51 | enouf | azeem: hehe .. not good |
| 11:40.17 | azeem | ah, and ms-sys is on this knoppix rescue CD, excellent |
| 11:40.18 | nvz | azeem: I just dug that up on a quick apt-cache search mbr.. dont know, never tried it |
| 11:41.01 | nvz | azeem: ms-sys and mbr seem to be the most likely candidates |
| 11:41.32 | azeem | yeah, ms-sys seems to be exactly what I need |
| 11:41.59 | nvz | azeem: cool. I will have to remember that factiod |
| 11:43.02 | xingu | pstickne: if fs label seems abstruse, another strategy is mounting by partition uuid; for recent userland, see /dev/disk/by-* |
| 11:43.10 | enouf | pstickne: if you want to delve into uder rules http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html ..also know hal, dbus can play a part in how your devices get recognized via desktop |
| 11:43.15 | azeem | nvz: it worked cancy |
| 11:43.17 | azeem | candy |
| 11:43.21 | azeem | ms-sys -m /dev/sda |
| 11:43.25 | enouf | s/uder/udev |
| 11:43.28 | pstickne | xingu, I am using by-label; that's where the labels are supposed to end up, right? :) |
| 11:43.39 | liable | dont spam it all |
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| 11:43.44 | pstickne | xingu, problem was I created a hardlink (and on top of that, I later moved the hardlink ;) |
| 11:44.07 | enouf | I think we have disk-by-id? or somesuch now |
| 11:44.26 | xingu | pstickne: yep; but a uuid is generated for all partitions; a label must be assigned to a given fs. |
| 11:44.47 | enouf | ah .. many choices .. /// by-id by-label by-path by-uuid |
| 11:44.54 | pstickne | xingu, I cheated; it's a vfat and it already had one ^^ |
| 11:45.03 | enouf | in /dev/disk/* |
| 11:45.28 | pstickne | I should read up on all this stuff at large... |
| 11:45.36 | xingu | pstickne: tomayto/tomahto, but I like the idea of mounting a specific partition, not a specific instance of an fs |
| 11:45.47 | enouf | plus i presume e2label works only with e2/e3 FSs |
| 11:46.10 | xingu | yep, but there's equivalencies for xfs and reiserfs and mount grocks vfat labels too. |
| 11:46.18 | xingu | s/ck/k/ |
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| 11:46.20 | metadata | hi :) |
| 11:46.33 | enouf | pstickne: it's messy .. be prepared .. also pmount can be a bear .. hehe |
| 11:46.34 | pstickne | there isn't a fslabel wrapper is there? |
| 11:46.47 | xingu | I prefer mount to not do mapping tricks; let udev build stable paths - then mount those paths |
| 11:47.31 | xingu | but it's all a matter of taste and opinion - whatever works for you across failures is what matters |
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| 11:52.31 | nvz | what would be a lightweight (sounds kinda funny in this context) IRCd I could use? I am currently using dancer because this was a sarge box and there werent many to choose from but I am upgrading to etch and I am not running a huge distrubted network.. I am a single node and dont forsee more than like 20 or so users total probably far fewer at any given time |
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| 11:52.50 | nvz | looking for simplicity in config and whatnot compared to dancer which is designed for huge networks |
| 11:54.37 | bokey | nvz, what about hyperion ? |
| 11:55.01 | nvz | bokey: that is just a fork of dancer and also designed for huge distributed networks |
| 11:55.11 | bokey | nvz, unreal ? |
| 11:55.14 | freespace | its also a wonderful sci-fi series |
| 11:55.22 | freespace | and now i kinda-sorta get the joke, hehe |
| 11:56.05 | nvz | I will be using hyperion if I cant find something simpler |
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| 11:56.05 | xingu | nvz: etch has ... http://ngircd.barton.de "ngircd" |
| 11:56.07 | nvz | I just rather not study a 500lb manual about how to setup a huge network for a small single-node server with very few users |
| 11:56.43 | xingu | nvz: -ENOCLU as to utility though; but it's a rewrite, not a ircd descendant. |
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| 11:58.09 | nvz | I was kinda thinking of offering services but that doesnt seem to be an issue on a network of this size |
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| 11:59.20 | nvz | as long as I the admin have some means of controlling things like gaining operator status and if need be |
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| 12:00.29 | nvz | I will look into that ngircd more once my dist-upgrade is all done I guess |
| 12:00.38 | ubinsp | hello. Who knows how to download a video on video.google.xxx and to watch it offline? |
| 12:00.39 | freespace | use write, it will be great |
| 12:00.44 | nvz | heh |
| 12:00.48 | nvz | thats not an option |
| 12:01.12 | Tallu | ubinsp: you can get a plugin for firefox i think, not sure though |
| 12:01.16 | nvz | I am already using apache-httpd and cgiirc on my site I need it to speak IRC protocol whatever it is |
| 12:01.22 | Phil4 | nvz: I use UnrealIRCD which I find to run very well, use little resources and can handle large user loads |
| 12:01.36 | ubinsp | ok Tallu. in fact it is a flash video |
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| 12:01.38 | scx | anyone can tell me what's the diference between AMD X2 64 and AMD FX 64 ? |
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| 12:02.34 | nvz | Phil4: my main two concerns are simplistic configuration and some means of regaining conrtol of my channels should I leave and someone else accidentally become operator.. preferably be able to prevent that from happening in the first place like a chanserv service would |
| 12:02.47 | Phil4 | ah I see |
| 12:03.00 | Phil4 | I run Anope services alongside UnrealIRCD |
| 12:03.10 | Phil4 | in my opinion, they are a very good combination |
| 12:03.14 | nvz | Phil4: dancer/hyperion are way too complex for my really small server. so far I have had 4 clients including myself and a bot since I launched it last month.. heh |
| 12:03.24 | metadata | scx: I think AMD X2 64 are the dual core, and FX 64 single core |
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| 12:03.48 | Phil4 | I run Unreal + Anope on a 14 user server |
| 12:03.53 | nvz | the load isnt bad at all using dancer, the configuration is just way too sophisticated for this type of small server |
| 12:03.56 | scx | metadata: yes but why FX are more expensive and recomended for games? |
| 12:04.09 | Phil4 | I find then very easy to configure, but I have done it many times |
| 12:04.22 | Phil4 | I have written a tutorial on Unreal+Anope setup if you'd like a look |
| 12:04.39 | nvz | Phil4: sure is it posted online? |
| 12:04.44 | Phil4 | yes |
| 12:04.48 | metadata | scx: because games don't usually benefit from the dual cores, and more from "raw" power |
| 12:04.50 | Phil4 | is this for Windows or *nix? |
| 12:05.01 | nvz | Phil4: debian.. heh I am in #debian |
| 12:05.08 | Phil4 | oh, yes, stupid question, sorry |
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| 12:05.19 | Phil4 | http://pchowtos.co.uk/index.php?page=tutorials&action=view&id=15 |
| 12:05.30 | scx | isn't it this Mac ? |
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| 12:05.47 | nvz | dpkg, welcome back |
| 12:05.47 | dpkg | it's good to be home :) |
| 12:06.03 | Phil4 | that covers all you need to get it running, then there are extensive docs for tweaking the little things that you might want to make it feel a bit nicer |
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| 12:06.31 | Kerr | dpkg = unaffiliated O.o |
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| 12:07.06 | Kerr | dpkg: you defected from the true cause, It's not personal, but now you must be purified, by fire. |
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| 12:07.16 | nvz | Phil4: yeah I just dont want to put much effort into something right now that half the people I intend to use it still arent embrasing at this point. I just want enough functionality to prevent someone else from (un)knowingly taking control of any normal channels or the server |
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| 12:07.20 | Baco | Gocmenlerin ve Genclerin tek bulusma noktas0131 (www.gocmeniz.net) |
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| 12:08.11 | nvz | Kerr: dpkg is a bot, it wouldn't really be right to say it's affiliated |
| 12:08.13 | nvz | dpkg, bot |
| 12:08.14 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 12:09.06 | stoned | !paster me |
| 12:09.06 | dpkg | stoned: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 12:09.16 | Phil4 | nvz: it really isn't much effort |
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| 12:09.24 | Kerr | nvz: he's not a bot, he's a toaster |
| 12:09.42 | Kerr | !toaster |
| 12:09.42 | dpkg | toaster is, like, an SGI O2 |
| 12:09.44 | Phil4 | I can normally config unreal+anope enough to run on Windows in about 8 mins |
| 12:09.46 | nvz | Phil4: I wouldnt know I havent looked into anything yet.. I am waiting on a dist-upgrade to finish and get into xorg before looking at anything |
| 12:09.55 | Phil4 | clearly it's a little more on *nix since it needs compiling |
| 12:09.57 | Kerr | !ptlink |
| 12:10.00 | Kerr | :/ |
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| 12:10.17 | stoned | hey |
| 12:10.18 | Kerr | imo ptlink is the simplest/stablest ircd for a small network |
| 12:10.20 | stoned | whats up nvz |
| 12:10.29 | Kerr | has it's own services |
| 12:10.29 | nvz | Phil4: I think its in debian.. and if not I am certainly not compiling a 3rd party ircd, I will just swap out dancer for hyperion and call it a day |
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| 12:11.13 | Phil4 | Unreal and Anope aren't in Debian last time I checked |
| 12:11.16 | nvz | stoned: not much. just finishing some upgrades this morning to allow me to use a stinkin blootbot without having to compile it |
| 12:11.17 | Thug-N-Me | can anyone please help me mounting a shared folder from my other windows machine ? when i try to mount it i get tree connect failed: NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
| 12:11.50 | stoned | #debian: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5255 <-- I manually configured xorg.conf and I got both my monitors to come on. However, I think both are in clone mode. Both display the same thing. Could anyone possibly guide me as to how I can have a single desktop where I can drag windows across monitors. |
| 12:11.55 | Phil4 | are you using smbclient Thug-N-Me? |
| 12:11.56 | simkin | hi, how the hell do i solv the ata1(0): WARNING: ATAPI is disabled, device ignored. problem?? |
| 12:12.21 | Thug-N-Me | Phil4 yes |
| 12:12.24 | stoned | it is fairly simple in nvidia cards, you just enable Twinview.. how do I accomplish this with fglrx |
| 12:12.29 | Thug-N-Me | Phil4 smbclient -ousername=Administrator,password='' '//george/d$' /mnt/george |
| 12:12.33 | stoned | Please advise. |
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| 12:13.00 | shafire | hello is there a debian version that has all python2.5 packages with libs |
| 12:13.00 | Phil4 | hmmmm |
| 12:13.01 | Thug-N-Me | Phil4 basic. i dont need a password to connect to the windows machine ... |
| 12:13.26 | Kerr | iirc ptlink is in debian :/ |
| 12:13.53 | Phil4 | I do it like this Thug-N-Me |
| 12:13.59 | Phil4 | /bin/mount -o password= -t smbfs //192.168.0.120/share /windows/nas/ |
| 12:14.50 | nvz | hmm ircd-hybrid seems nice |
| 12:15.49 | stoned | woah |
| 12:15.53 | stoned | this is strange |
| 12:16.20 | stoned | I've got kicker on both monitors, I can't drag windows across monitors, but I can jump from one monitor to another with mymouse |
| 12:16.21 | stoned | wtf |
| 12:16.38 | stoned | I want windows to go across monitors |
| 12:17.07 | RvGaTe | stoned, Twinview has that |
| 12:17.17 | RvGaTe | stoned, hi btw |
| 12:17.19 | stoned | ati doesn't have twinview |
| 12:17.27 | stoned | its nvidia only |
| 12:17.43 | RvGaTe | oh |
| 12:17.47 | RvGaTe | sucks to be you, hehe :P |
| 12:17.53 | RvGaTe | im taking a shower, brb |
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| 12:18.35 | liable | aticonfig --help ?? |
| 12:20.25 | stoned | i don't want aticonfig to mess with my xorg.conf |
| 12:20.36 | stoned | I based my xorg.conf on its skeleton |
| 12:20.43 | liable | its a tool as well, not just for writing the conf.. |
| 12:20.44 | stoned | I did specify dual head config |
| 12:21.14 | stoned | liable, I got both monitors to work |
| 12:21.21 | stoned | I just can't seem to drag windows across |
| 12:21.34 | stoned | I can go to the other monitor with my mouse and start apps on that monitor |
| 12:21.56 | stoned | but windows won't go |
| 12:22.14 | psyco-obiwan | stoned, i think you need clone off or sth like that and with mga i also need xinerama on |
| 12:22.29 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5255 |
| 12:22.32 | stoned | here is my file |
| 12:22.56 | stoned | I cant find xorg specific config options for fglrx |
| 12:23.03 | stoned | if i can find em, I can build my xorg.conf |
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| 12:25.14 | liable | the docs mention that it doesnt play nice with xinerama and extended desktop |
| 12:25.27 | stoned | :( |
| 12:25.46 | stoned | I could load xinerama extention |
| 12:25.51 | stoned | see what happens |
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| 12:26.02 | drizzd | Since growisofs doesn't work any more, I'm trying to use widom now. Everything seems to work fine and widom exists after fixation, but when I try to mount the DVD I get "attempt to access beyond end of device". |
| 12:26.56 | drizzd | When I read disc information using dvd+rw-mediainfo it says "State of Last Session: incomplete" |
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| 12:28.24 | drizzd | When I execute 'wodim -fix', appending an empty track in the process, I can mount and access the disk. |
| 12:28.53 | drizzd | Any ideas what I might be doing wrong? |
| 12:30.59 | Zvpun | Is there a program to change simple things of pictures. It has to be extremly simple to use since my mother will never understand gimp. |
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| 12:31.50 | Thug-N-Me | what the option do i need to add to the mount command of a shared folder from windows machine to have write permission for the user not for root ? |
| 12:31.53 | drizzd | Zvpun: Do you just want to change brightness/contrast and such? |
| 12:32.07 | Zvpun | drizzd: yes, very simple stuff like the picture is too dark |
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| 12:32.27 | Zvpun | drizzd: anything more complicated is just impossible to explain :-( |
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| 12:33.21 | shafire | where can i find debian sid? |
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| 12:33.47 | abrotman | shafire: you don't |
| 12:33.56 | shafire | i want |
| 12:34.03 | shafire | too old packages in etch |
| 12:34.05 | abrotman | why? |
| 12:34.06 | stoned | how do you specify vsync on in xorg.conf for fglrx |
| 12:34.21 | abrotman | shafire: well .. you'll be disappointed then |
| 12:34.27 | stoned | abrotman, !! past midnight! |
| 12:34.29 | stoned | whoah |
| 12:34.36 | drizzd | Zvpun: maybe imagemagick will serve your purpose. It's pretty spartan, but I'm not sure if it's user friendly enough. |
| 12:34.40 | abrotman | stoned: uhm .. it's 730 |
| 12:34.53 | stoned | oh |
| 12:35.01 | stoned | my clock is wrong |
| 12:35.06 | stoned | I have no sense of time |
| 12:35.13 | abrotman | your sun will be up in an hour :) |
| 12:35.23 | stoned | well |
| 12:35.29 | stoned | do you know how to turn vysnc on |
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| 12:35.41 | abrotman | man xorg.conf has no details ? |
| 12:35.46 | Zvpun | drizzd: I'll try. |
| 12:36.15 | abrotman | shafire: which packages are newer in sid that you want ? |
| 12:36.20 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 12:36.20 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 12:36.34 | shafire | python2.5 |
| 12:36.37 | shafire | python-imaging |
| 12:36.40 | shafire | for python2.5 |
| 12:36.40 | stoned | +VSync" and "-VSync" can be used to select the polarity of the VSync signal |
| 12:36.45 | stoned | thats pretty much all it says |
| 12:36.56 | stoned | can't figure out where/how to specify it |
| 12:37.33 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 12:37.37 | stoned | hmm |
| 12:37.51 | stoned | factoid got removed I guess |
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| 12:38.23 | phogg | shafire: sid is trouble. If you have to ask how to find it, you wont be able to extracate yourself from the troubgle that you *will* get in to (sooner or later). |
| 12:38.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: you're broken! |
| 12:38.34 | stoned | dpkg dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> |
| 12:38.34 | dpkg | stoned: okay |
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| 12:39.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: eh, running xrandr twice in a row makes X barf... and i have the irc client automatically running |
| 12:40.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: doesn't happen for me! |
| 12:40.19 | jelly-home | abrotman: had to confirm the crash a couple of times ;-) |
| 12:40.19 | stoned | I guess I don't need to turn vsync on.. its just that I'm using 1280x1024@85 and its kinda just freaky |
| 12:40.28 | stoned | seems like its got 60hz refresh rate |
| 12:40.33 | stoned | I can't figure out why |
| 12:40.53 | c1|freaky | freaky |
| 12:40.53 | c1|freaky | :D |
| 12:40.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: maybe it doesn't like being left side up. |
| 12:40.54 | stoned | I notice a difference between 60 and 85 I tried both but its no better |
| 12:41.09 | stoned | I can push 1024x768@115hz |
| 12:41.14 | stoned | I guess I could try that |
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| 12:41.32 | abrotman | hehe .. it even inverts the mouse |
| 12:42.13 | abrotman | stoned: that's not vsync |
| 12:43.34 | drizzd | abrotman: What is it if it's not vsync? |
| 12:43.43 | abrotman | refresh ? |
| 12:43.52 | drizzd | What's the difference? |
| 12:44.04 | abrotman | man xorg.conf .. |
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| 12:47.11 | jelly-home | brb |
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| 12:48.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: do all xrandr actions cause it ? |
| 12:48.17 | drizzd | abrotman: So your point is to differentiate between vsync the signal and its frequency, the refresh rate? |
| 12:48.26 | LoRe | i cannot find the reason why my backports have a priority of 1, i have moved /etc/apt/preferences away, run apt-get update, and it's still at 1 |
| 12:48.28 | stoned | I have the dejavu font packages installed, and I have the dejavu serif condensed fonts, but they don't show up under kde |
| 12:48.30 | abrotman | drizzd: huh ? |
| 12:48.35 | dav_ | just one question guys how can i check if my webcam is workin, im just looking for a soft that open me a window with my webcam view |
| 12:48.36 | dav_ | ? |
| 12:48.39 | stoned | dpkg -L shows the condensed versions of the fonts |
| 12:48.39 | dpkg | ii shows the condensed versions of the fonts 3.6-3.1 stoned's private stamp collection |
| 12:48.52 | dav_ | because it seems to work in the dmesg messages |
| 12:48.59 | stoned | wth |
| 12:49.26 | abrotman | dav_: apt-cache search webcam .. see what's there .. i htink ekiga does webcams |
| 12:49.39 | dav_ | abrotman, thks |
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| 12:49.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: it was the i810-modesetting driver (i810 works now), and it was crashing on any xrandr action after the first -o change. |
| 12:51.42 | abrotman | jelly-home: that sounds fun! |
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| 12:53.35 | jelly-home | abrotman: the driver didn't want me to look at my portrait oriented pron collection :-( |
| 12:54.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: i only use it to type upside down! |
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| 12:55.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: ah, combining physical exercise (hanging upside down) with online activities? |
| 12:55.11 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's healthy |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: makes my nose run! |
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| 12:56.46 | LoRe | http://data.rbfh.de/policy.txt anybody an idea of why the priority of backports is 1? |
| 12:57.31 | stoned | I have ttf-dejavu installed however I cannot see the fonts anywhere in X, kde or gtk apps. Any thoughts? |
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| 12:59.11 | stoned | dpkg -L ttf-dejavu shows the .ttf files for the fonts |
| 12:59.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching ttf-dejavu shows the .ttf files for the fonts |
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| 12:59.42 | abrotman | LoRe: perhaps need to run apt-get update again ? |
| 13:00.21 | LoRe | abrotman: i've done that > 10 times |
| 13:00.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:02.12 | stoned | ok so regen the fc cache again |
| 13:02.14 | stoned | lets see |
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| 13:03.03 | stoned | man what the shit is going on |
| 13:03.33 | stoned | can anyone help me with getting my ttf-dejavu condensed fonts to show up in X |
| 13:03.47 | abrotman | LoRe: apt-cache gencaches ? |
| 13:05.02 | LoRe | abrotman: doesn't help, also apt-get check |
| 13:05.29 | abrotman | yeah .. same thing |
| 13:05.32 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
| 13:05.40 | stoned | anyone? |
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| 13:06.01 | adsf | is there any place where i can obtain specific kernel-headers? |
| 13:06.21 | scx | marvel comics? |
| 13:06.22 | dererk | adsf, for example? |
| 13:06.51 | adsf | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 13:06.56 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 13:06.56 | dpkg | sdn is probably go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 13:07.08 | dererk | adsf, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 13:07.17 | abrotman | adsf: is there a reason you're not using 2.6.18 ? |
| 13:07.17 | dererk | oh... abrotman runs :) |
| 13:07.25 | adsf | that a server for apt.sources? |
| 13:07.35 | abrotman | adsf: it can be |
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| 13:07.44 | abrotman | adsf: but why aren't you using the 2.6.18 in etch/sid ? |
| 13:07.44 | Zap-W | hey |
| 13:08.14 | dererk | hi :) |
| 13:09.08 | LoRe | damn, only "apt-get -t sarge-backports update" is showing the updates |
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| 13:09.42 | adsf | abrotman: when i apt-get upgrade it holds back that image version, could that be the problem? |
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| 13:10.16 | abrotman | adsf: which CPU do you have ? |
| 13:10.24 | dererk | adsf, can't you dist-upgrade? |
| 13:10.29 | scv | the fake64? |
| 13:10.30 | abrotman | adsf: apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:10.34 | adsf | well i'm on etch right now |
| 13:10.44 | HardDisk_WP | Why is Webmin removed in etch? |
| 13:10.48 | adsf | so why should i dist-upgrade? |
| 13:10.49 | abrotman | it sucks |
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| 13:11.08 | abrotman | adsf: will install held packages (usually) |
| 13:11.21 | LoRe | no ideas anymore? :) |
| 13:11.42 | dererk | HardDisk_WP, Huge problems with maintainers. As a resume: it went orphaned |
| 13:11.49 | HardDisk_WP | oh... |
| 13:11.51 | stoned | there are no relevant bugs for ttf-dejavu |
| 13:12.03 | stoned | does no one here know wtf is going on? |
| 13:12.09 | abrotman | LoRe: so actually installing the package gets the worng one ? |
| 13:12.13 | adsf | abrotman: will the update to linux-image-2.6.-686 destroy drivers or settings? |
| 13:12.17 | dererk | stoned, I don't, sorry |
| 13:12.41 | abrotman | adsf: only custom drivers .. things you had to setup outside the kernel |
| 13:12.46 | dererk | adsf, destroy no, It's a package that depends on the lastest kernel |
| 13:12.54 | abrotman | adsf: however .. you might as well do it now |
| 13:13.13 | abrotman | though another kernel is scheduled to enter etch soon |
| 13:13.24 | dererk | abrotman, really? |
| 13:13.27 | dererk | .19 ? |
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| 13:13.35 | abrotman | no |
| 13:13.38 | dererk | I thought Etch was froozen... |
| 13:13.39 | adsf | could u assist me on getting the old kernel-headers from snapshot |
| 13:13.40 | LoRe | abrotman: if i doesn't add "-t sarge-backports" yes |
| 13:14.02 | abrotman | dererk: -4- |
| 13:14.05 | dererk | ! tell adsf about sdn |
| 13:14.06 | stoned | I have installed ttf-dejavu. I have regen the font cache, and restarted X. I cannot see the condensed versions of dejavu serif anywhere in X. It doesn't show up in kde/gtk apps. dpkg -L ttf-dejavu shows that the .ttf files for the condensed versios were are there. Can anyone help me figure out whats going on? |
| 13:14.14 | dererk | abrotman, Oh oh oh |
| 13:14.42 | abrotman | adsf: we told you where for that .. but honestly .. etch isn't going to release with that kernel you're using and it will *never* have security support from debian |
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| 13:15.52 | adsf | abrotman: well if i update the kernel now i'll probably have to reconfigure the whole fucking system |
| 13:16.37 | abrotman | adsf: why? do you have some super secret special setup? |
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| 13:17.44 | stoned | can anyone help me? |
| 13:17.51 | adsf | abrotman: nah, i'm just a linux newbie and afraid of fucking everything up |
| 13:17.58 | stoned | or should I just continue asking incessantly? |
| 13:18.09 | stoned | I could get very annoying |
| 13:18.24 | jelly-home | stoned: think that would help? |
| 13:18.24 | abrotman | adsf: you've paid your support contract .. right? |
| 13:18.30 | abrotman | stoned: could get you banned |
| 13:18.51 | stoned | yes I do think that it will help |
| 13:19.14 | Azar | good day honorables |
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| 13:19.29 | stoned | if no one who knows about it is around, then I must ask repeatedly |
| 13:19.41 | stoned | until someone knows something |
| 13:19.48 | metadata | stoned: google.com |
| 13:20.05 | stoned | been searching for almost an hour mate |
| 13:20.10 | adsf | well why does apt-get upgrade hold back that kernel image? |
| 13:20.12 | abrotman | adsf: you really should update that package |
| 13:20.12 | kiba | any recommanded bitorrent client? |
| 13:20.13 | Azar | condensed fonts.... boil them |
| 13:20.20 | abrotman | adsf: because it wants to install another package .. |
| 13:20.35 | abrotman | kiba: the one that works |
| 13:20.38 | adsf | abrotman: what do u mean by another package |
| 13:20.53 | abrotman | adsf: another package .. something not currently installed .. it's not a big deal |
| 13:20.53 | liable | adsf: man apt-get (search dist-upgrade) |
| 13:21.22 | IC__ | how i can set encoding in mcedit or nano |
| 13:21.28 | IC__ | i need cp1250 |
| 13:21.31 | IC__ | not iso-8859-2 |
| 13:21.31 | IC__ | :| |
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| 13:22.28 | jelly-home | IC__: windows codepages don't really work on Linux that well, you'll have to convert your data, use iso-8859-2, then convert back |
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| 13:22.31 | lkthomas-home | guys |
| 13:22.32 | lkthomas-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.47 | jelly-home | IC__: use recode or iconv |
| 13:22.54 | IC__ | fuck off |
| 13:22.58 | IC__ | i need to edit script live |
| 13:23.50 | liable | nice way to stop people helping .. |
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| 13:24.27 | glontu | hello |
| 13:24.29 | IC__ | please |
| 13:24.30 | IC__ | :| |
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| 13:24.47 | chris_goe | "fuck off, please"? lol |
| 13:24.57 | amphi | hah |
| 13:25.03 | amphi | !pal IC__ |
| 13:25.05 | glontu | i am runung a webserver on the domain www.example.com and i would like to add the subzone www.subzone.example.com ... how can i do this ? |
| 13:25.32 | rhalff | hi, any pointers for must haves in a mult server hosting environment ? like I like opennms, more tools that are very usefull ? |
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| 13:27.01 | stoned | I'm simply amazed |
| 13:27.17 | stoned | like no one has any fucking idea as to what is going on with these fonts |
| 13:27.22 | IC__ | liable: sorry |
| 13:27.26 | stoned | wow |
| 13:27.31 | abrotman | glontu: you config apache and your dns |
| 13:27.45 | abrotman | have you tried kfonttool ? |
| 13:28.10 | IC__ | i`m so crazy from requirenment from company |
| 13:28.14 | jelly-home | abrotman: wtf is kfonttool? |
| 13:28.28 | stoned | abrotman, you talking to me? |
| 13:28.43 | stoned | it not a kde issue, fon'ts don't even show up in gnome apps |
| 13:28.51 | rhalff | hm almost sounds like #php in here wtf, fucking.. |
| 13:29.00 | hark | fc-cache -f ? |
| 13:29.08 | stoned | it exists on disk, in the package |
| 13:29.15 | stoned | yes I've done -fv |
| 13:29.20 | adsf | abrotman: i'mm installing linux-image-2.6-686 now, we'll see what happens ;) |
| 13:29.20 | adsf | now after i installed linux-image-2.6-686, is that enough to be using that kernel or am i mistaken (reboot?) |
| 13:30.11 | liable | reboot |
| 13:30.16 | stoned | what does this mean fontwise? /var/cache/fontconfig: not cleaning unwritable cache direc |
| 13:30.18 | abrotman | adsf: should magically work! |
| 13:30.25 | jelly-home | stoned: bad perms? |
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| 13:30.46 | abrotman | rhalff: "Why would you want to use ruby?!!" |
| 13:30.52 | stoned | could be a perm issue |
| 13:30.57 | stoned | you think? |
| 13:31.21 | stoned | also says thsi /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu: caching, 21 fonts |
| 13:31.33 | stoned | so I figure its all good |
| 13:31.34 | adsf | well i'll reboot ;) |
| 13:31.50 | stoned | but I can't select them, they don't show up |
| 13:31.52 | abrotman | he's never coming back |
| 13:31.57 | rhalff | abrotman: why not, and how ya know thy hacker ? |
| 13:32.11 | abrotman | rhalff: you want stuff to monitor servers ? |
| 13:32.12 | jelly-home | abrotman: qouth the raven |
| 13:32.23 | abrotman | caw ? |
| 13:32.28 | jelly-home | ya |
| 13:32.46 | betel | Hello all. How do I check that my system uses UTF-8? |
| 13:33.03 | nvz | anyone offhand know the config option to tell a blootbot which channel to join? |
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| 13:33.13 | rhalff | abrotman: yeah just some pointers to good tools to keep track of what is running etc. opennms does a good job, just wondering some other standard tools hosting companies are using, or most is custom build probably huh. |
| 13:33.24 | betel | and most inportantly. if the system doesn't use UTF-8. How do I make it use it? |
| 13:33.50 | abrotman | rhalff: as far as managing accounts .. they use things that aren't in debian |
| 13:34.06 | jelly-home | betel: "locale" command shows you the current settings. There should be mention of .UTF-8 in its output |
| 13:34.26 | rhalff | abrotman: ah ok, thought some pointers to apt-getters :) |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | betel: to reconfigure .. dpkg-reconfigure locales .. choose UTF8 as your default |
| 13:34.56 | abrotman | rhalff: but things like SNMP are useful |
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| 13:35.19 | jelly-home | betel: maybe /msg dpkg locales |
| 13:35.25 | rhalff | abrotman: ah yeah opennms is utilizing that, have to set it up on every host yet though, guess opennms is enough for now |
| 13:35.32 | Azar | is java proprietary software? I thought Sun released it to open source ? |
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| 13:36.02 | retard | waiting for something to release is not healthy. |
| 13:36.15 | stoned | I have installed ttf-dejavu. I have regen the font cache, and restarted X. I cannot see the condensed versions of dejavu serif anywhere in X. It doesn't show up in kde/gtk apps. dpkg -L ttf-dejavu shows that the .ttf files for the condensed versios were are there. Can anyone help me figure out whats going on? |
| 13:36.20 | rhalff | retard, like etch ? :p |
| 13:36.30 | retard | rhalff...yes |
| 13:36.31 | jelly-home | retard: your answer does not suit your nick |
| 13:36.35 | abrotman | Azar: not fully |
| 13:36.46 | Azar | abrotman: ah thanks |
| 13:36.53 | retard | jelly. ok |
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| 13:37.19 | Tenkawa | rofl |
| 13:37.32 | abrotman | Tenkawa: it'll be out of date tomorrow ... |
| 13:37.41 | abrotman | unless you sync it again |
| 13:37.45 | Tenkawa | abrotman: its set to update hourly |
| 13:37.45 | Azar | stoned: maybe there is a kde configuration somewhere for them |
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| 13:37.51 | Brujah | moin |
| 13:37.52 | betel | jelly-home, abrotman: I seem to use en_US.UTF-8. will try switching to sv_US.UTF-8. I have problems with my swedish åäö |
| 13:37.53 | stoned | its not a kde specific thing |
| 13:37.56 | abrotman | Tenkawa: okay .. that might be a bit much though |
| 13:38.12 | Azar | stoned: but which needs to render them? not the desktop application? |
| 13:38.14 | stoned | Azar, don't show up in gnome/gtk apps either |
| 13:38.16 | Tenkawa | I use it so damn much its actualy beneficial to keep a local copy |
| 13:38.24 | Tenkawa | sad as that is |
| 13:38.30 | stoned | Azar, it doesn't even show up for me to even select as a font! |
| 13:38.31 | rhalff | abrotman: what's wrong with ruby anyways |
| 13:38.32 | hark | stoned: check your font path in xorg.conf, fc-cache -fvs, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig.. |
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| 13:38.42 | abrotman | Tenkawa: yeah .. but you're pulling a lot of data for minimal use |
| 13:38.54 | abrotman | Tenkawa: remember .. someone is paying for you to sync every hour |
| 13:39.03 | abrotman | rhalff: i was joking |
| 13:39.11 | rhalff | abrotman: ah ok :p |
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| 13:39.18 | Brujah | We installed debian "testing" at work and the fonts seem to look strange. Small ones are hard to read. Do we have to activate antialiasing by hand? |
| 13:39.20 | hark | if all else fails, use defoma |
| 13:39.23 | Tenkawa | abrotman: I only plan on benchmarking the hourly thing |
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| 13:39.27 | abrotman | rhalff: every language has a place .. i think :) |
| 13:39.33 | [H]3b0R | hello, anyone here using fluxbox? |
| 13:39.35 | Tenkawa | I'll probably set it to once at midnight tomorrow |
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| 13:39.46 | Tenkawa | I just wanted to run the numbers. |
| 13:39.49 | abrotman | Tenkawa: how many computers does your mirror serve ? |
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| 13:40.00 | abrotman | [H]3b0R: just ask |
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| 13:40.09 | Tenkawa | abrotman: about 8 |
| 13:40.18 | Tenkawa | at this time |
| 13:40.19 | abrotman | Tenkawa: you probably should have used apt-proxy |
| 13:40.23 | Tenkawa | will be increasing |
| 13:40.45 | [H]3b0R | anyone here running fluxbox with transparency? |
| 13:40.55 | abrotman | does fluxbox support transparency ? |
| 13:40.59 | abrotman | did you try asking #fluxbox ? |
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| 13:41.18 | adsf | i think it does |
| 13:41.29 | Azar | stoned, bug: http://lists.zerezo.com/mandrake-cooker/msg33725.html |
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| 13:41.56 | [H]3b0R | abrotman: yes there are an howto for transparency in fluxbox on their wiki, but, its hard to use since its not distro specified... |
| 13:42.02 | adsf | abrotman: thx for the kernel help, worked so far, now how do i get rid of all the old libs and images |
| 13:42.05 | hark | Azar: he's not here |
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| 13:42.53 | stoned | I added fontpath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/dejavu/" etc. and did all that and I still am unable to even see in font selection |
| 13:42.55 | abrotman | adsf: old libs ? |
| 13:42.57 | stoned | still nothing |
| 13:43.02 | abrotman | Azar: tell him now! |
| 13:43.14 | stoned | this is mind boggling an |
| 13:43.16 | stoned | man |
| 13:43.36 | stoned | I am simply lost. I've tried everything I know of |
| 13:44.02 | Azar | stoned: http://pdimitar.wordpress.com/2006/11/30/gnu-emacs-use-ttf-font-even-if-it-is-looks-like-not-installed/ |
| 13:44.15 | Azar | learn to google mate |
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| 13:44.36 | adsf | abrotman: never mind |
| 13:44.40 | abrotman | adsf: ? |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | adsf: btw .. did you get your headers now? :) |
| 13:44.56 | stoned | ohh |
| 13:45.04 | stoned | maybe the freetype module isn't loaded |
| 13:45.07 | stoned | I check |
| 13:45.26 | adsf | under /var/lib/dpgk/info/linux-..... i got a lot of old stuff from 2.6.17 that's what i meant |
| 13:45.47 | abrotman | adsf: you can remove that package if you want |
| 13:45.52 | abrotman | or purge it |
| 13:46.23 | stoned | Azar, I'm good on everything there |
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| 13:46.33 | stoned | pretend I'm not a fucking noob for a minute please |
| 13:46.41 | PAK-9 | how do i list the startup output from the console? I need to see which hdd's are attached |
| 13:46.42 | stoned | I've exchausted every venue I know of |
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| 13:47.01 | Azar | well, heck I never used that stuff, just googled for you thought you might have missed some config line or something |
| 13:47.01 | jelly-home | stoned: tried cleaning up that cache directory? |
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| 13:47.14 | stoned | jelly-home, yeah, no dice |
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| 13:47.26 | bokey | i have a strange directory called NONE in lots of places.. How do I know where it came from ? anyone ? tia |
| 13:47.39 | hark | stoned: bts! |
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| 13:47.51 | stoned | Azar, and that has nothing to do with what my problem is |
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| 13:47.59 | jelly-home | stoned: eh, file a bug and hope the maintainer will be able to help |
| 13:48.02 | stoned | hark, did not find any releant bugs |
| 13:48.08 | stoned | yeh |
| 13:48.12 | stoned | I guess I'll have to |
| 13:48.29 | stoned | I've just about had it with fucking free software |
| 13:48.30 | hark | stoned: file one. it should work without having to do anything.. |
| 13:48.50 | stoned | or pay software |
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| 13:48.54 | stoned | or ware of any fucking digital kind |
| 13:48.56 | stoned | fuck computers |
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| 13:49.01 | stoned | I fucking hate em |
| 13:49.05 | abrotman | stop using them |
| 13:49.11 | stoned | ehh.. shaddup |
| 13:49.13 | stoned | :/ |
| 13:49.14 | adsf | abrotman: yeah i got madwifi installed now, but it wont detect my pcmcia card, another reboot now :) |
| 13:49.15 | Azar | get a beer |
| 13:49.20 | bokey | !beer |
| 13:49.21 | dpkg | well, beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 13:49.24 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 13:49.25 | dpkg | somebody said madwifi-install was to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 13:49.47 | adsf | i got that done already, but nice try |
| 13:50.00 | Tenkawa | Any of you set up a network with a bridged wifi gateway hard connected to another wifi access point/router |
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| 13:50.16 | Tenkawa | finding wpa2 support in linux is abyssmal |
| 13:50.18 | kiba | I have virtually no experience in developing softwares in linux |
| 13:50.28 | hark | stoned: fonts:// drag and drop them. Should work until there's a fix or something.. |
| 13:50.51 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: hmm, #wireless ? |
| 13:51.14 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: it was more of a rhetorical q than an actual one |
| 13:52.05 | h3sp4wn | Tenkawa: atheros works fine with wpa2 (hostapd or wpasupplicant) |
| 13:52.05 | Mark_Iron | Hi ... looking for help - adding of new tasks to the tasksel-menu in etch - http://paste.debian.net/21295 .. thank you in advance for hints ;-) |
| 13:52.06 | Tenkawa | h3sp4wn: yeah.. unfortunately all 3 of my cards are of |
| 13:52.06 | bokey | abrotman, the directory seems to be some sort of cached dir for fonts. very strange. :/ |
| 13:52.06 | Tenkawa | "odd" drivers |
| 13:52.06 | abrotman | bokey: ? |
| 13:52.32 | jelly-home | Tenkawa: fire the person who bought them! :-) |
| 13:52.33 | stoned | hark, umm what? |
| 13:52.34 | Tenkawa | I didnt think ahead enough when I got the cards |
| 13:52.34 | bokey | abrotman, <bokey> i have a strange directory called NONE in lots of places.. How do I know where it came from ? anyone ? tia |
| 13:52.44 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: heh.... hard to do |
| 13:52.54 | h3sp4wn | Tenkawa: ralink is ok if you rebuild your own hostapd (and use rt2x00) |
| 13:53.06 | hark | stoned: hmm, i though you were using gnome |
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| 13:53.15 | abrotman | bokey: oh .. imissed it .. |
| 13:53.18 | bokey | abrotman, it's all over the places. |
| 13:53.24 | bokey | abrotman, :) |
| 13:53.31 | Tenkawa | howhmm.. maybe I'll have to try again because thge one I was testing the most was ralink |
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| 13:53.45 | Tenkawa | and I wasnt having much luck.. granted its been a while |
| 13:53.52 | stoned | hark no |
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| 13:56.05 | Tenkawa | h3sp4wn: there a specific hostap patch for wpa2/wpasupplicant compat? |
| 13:56.11 | adsf | cs: pcmcia_socket0 cardbus cards are not supported, what's that supposed to be |
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| 13:56.17 | adsf | in dmesg |
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| 13:58.05 | Tenkawa | ok this sucks |
| 13:58.16 | Tenkawa | its 10 degreesF with a -4F windchill :( |
| 13:58.26 | stoned | wow |
| 13:58.34 | stoned | you need a college degree just to file a fucking bug |
| 13:58.36 | dvs | Tenkawa: welcome to my world! ;-) |
| 13:58.41 | stoned | this is awesome |
| 13:59.08 | abrotman | Tenkawa: leave wisconsin! |
| 13:59.13 | Tenkawa | tomorrows HIGH suppose to be 13F/-11C |
| 13:59.21 | Tenkawa | abrotman: ohio but close enough |
| 13:59.36 | abrotman | Tenkawa: sadly .. it is :) |
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| 13:59.54 | dvs | Tenkawa: could be worse. could be... Buffalo! |
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| 14:00.06 | Kerr | hmm,, my new mp4 player isn't being detected when i plug it in (usb) .. sudo fdisk -l doesn't show it. What could be going wrong? |
| 14:00.10 | Tenkawa | dvs: ouch.. yeah |
| 14:00.10 | xand | Tenkawa: think on the bright side... it's 260 kelvin! |
| 14:00.15 | adsf | !madwifi |
| 14:00.16 | dpkg | from memory, madwifi is for ATHEROS chipset wireless devices more information can be found at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian, or type "/join #madwifi" in your client now, or http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/madwifi, or to install madwifi drivers built against standard Debian kernel images (woody/sarge only) see '/msg dpkg madwifi-install' see also madwifi.one.liner |
| 14:00.27 | Tenkawa | xand: man if thats the bright side I dont want to see the dark side |
| 14:01.23 | Tenkawa | I'm just glad I decided not to go to the outdoor swap meet I was supposed to go to today |
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| 14:03.56 | Mark_Iron | Hi ... looking for help - adding of new tasks to the tasksel-menu in etch - http://paste.debian.net/21295 .. thank you in advance for hints ;-) |
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| 14:10.17 | stoned | this is ridiculously amazing |
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| 14:10.43 | Tenkawa | stoned: what is? |
| 14:10.44 | lunaphyte | dpkg left me hanging :) |
| 14:10.56 | stoned | is anyone here on sid? can you install the ttf-dejavu package and see if the dejavu serif condensed font shows up in X. |
| 14:10.58 | lunaphyte | or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 14:11.16 | lunaphyte | read what? i'm dying to know! |
| 14:11.42 | Tenkawa | lunaphyte: what dpkg keyword did you use? |
| 14:11.46 | abrotman | Ronin: FIX IT! |
| 14:11.52 | Tenkawa | I'll query the bot |
| 14:11.59 | lunaphyte | Tenkawa: iptables |
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| 14:12.26 | stoned | I can't use debian without this font |
| 14:12.30 | Tenkawa | http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 14:12.35 | stoned | its just not poossibleee |
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| 14:12.45 | stoned | makes my eyes bleed |
| 14:12.49 | Tenkawa | lunaphyte: your client is cutting it off |
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| 14:13.26 | Tenkawa | hope that helps |
| 14:13.43 | h3sp4wn | Tenkawa: |
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| 14:14.23 | Mark_Iron | can I use such syntax for override.extra tasks lines: ??? e.g.; "ntp Task backbone-dns mona-master mona-slave" |
| 14:14.48 | Mark_Iron | or should I use "," as a field separator ? |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | lunaphyte: /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 14:15.21 | Tenkawa | abrotman: or that howto article I just posted |
| 14:15.22 | jeffwheeler | I just switched from a PCI ethernet port to the integrated one on my machine (I think it's Broadcom, but I'm not sure), and now about every 30 seconds it'll disconnect for about two seconds, and then reconnect after about two seconds. |
| 14:15.26 | lunaphyte | stupid client. thanks. |
| 14:15.33 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: hi .. should I look over there ? |
| 14:15.47 | abrotman | over where ? |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | Tenkawa: no .. why?! |
| 14:15.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:15.58 | Mark_Iron | refer to my question abrotman |
| 14:16.01 | Mark_Iron | can I use such syntax for override.extra tasks lines: ??? e.g.; "ntp Task backbone-dns mona-master mona-slave" |
| 14:16.03 | Tenkawa | abrotman: haaahaahaa |
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| 14:16.15 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: i've not intentionally messed with tasksel |
| 14:16.30 | Mark_Iron | oh .. thank you abrotman ;-) |
| 14:16.38 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: why would you?! |
| 14:16.44 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: you could just as easily make a metapackage |
| 14:17.01 | Mark_Iron | hmm ... |
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| 14:17.12 | jeffwheeler | There, it just disconnected briefly again, and reconnected about one second later. GNOME tells me. |
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| 14:17.32 | jeffwheeler | What is this a problem with? |
| 14:17.43 | stoned | fuck it |
| 14:17.46 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: do the lights go dark ? |
| 14:17.49 | stoned | im going back to windows |
| 14:17.59 | abrotman | \o/ |
| 14:18.09 | Tenkawa | some people are so impatient |
| 14:18.21 | stoned | yeh well when shit starts working i'll be back |
| 14:18.21 | jeffwheeler | On the port itself? Hadn't thought to check. Let me look. |
| 14:18.23 | Mark_Iron | what is the problem stoned ?... may I help you? |
| 14:18.27 | stoned | I'll go play oblivion or something |
| 14:18.42 | stoned | go fuck yourself you goddamn anti ms bandwagonin bitch |
| 14:18.45 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: either on the NIC or the switch |
| 14:19.02 | Tenkawa | ok.. I sense a ban coming soon |
| 14:19.03 | jeffwheeler | Let me wait for it to do it again. |
| 14:19.17 | Mark_Iron | well stoned ... it is not possible to help you ... it is very pitty *ggg* |
| 14:19.20 | graytron | stoned :(((((( |
| 14:19.21 | stoned | Mark_Iron, well I'm not sure you can. I filed a bug.. gonna wait on it |
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| 14:19.41 | Mark_Iron | what kind of bug stoned ? |
| 14:19.47 | stoned | Mark_Iron, waiting on the maintainer to see whats up |
| 14:20.04 | stoned | ttf-dejavu is isntalled, however the condensed fonts are not showing up in X at all |
| 14:20.13 | stoned | the rest of the fonts are fine. |
| 14:20.20 | stoned | just the condensed versions |
| 14:20.32 | stoned | I've done pretty anything anyone has come up with in here |
| 14:20.34 | Mark_Iron | if you new to debian you colud consider to start with a liveCD debian distribution like kanotix or sidux ... |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:20.39 | stoned | nothing has helped me to get the fonts in |
| 14:20.42 | Mark_Iron | @ stoned ^^ |
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| 14:20.45 | stoned | yeh |
| 14:20.49 | stoned | I'm brand new to debian |
| 14:20.53 | stoned | first day on it |
| 14:20.57 | enyc | stoned: meepmeep ;-) |
| 14:20.59 | Mark_Iron | wait a moment please stoned |
| 14:21.00 | stoned | in fact its my first day here |
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| 14:21.23 | graytron | stoned: i saw you here yesterday! |
| 14:21.35 | abrotman | he was just testing! |
| 14:21.51 | Mark_Iron | stoned: I would recommend you: http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/KANOTIX-2006-01-RC4.iso |
| 14:22.06 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: please don't |
| 14:22.07 | stoned | Mark_Iron, thank you :) |
| 14:22.11 | abrotman | bungnugget! |
| 14:22.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:22.17 | stoned | thas me |
| 14:22.23 | Mark_Iron | stoned: OR - http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-1098.html |
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| 14:22.31 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: really .. please stop .. |
| 14:22.39 | stoned | !stoned |
| 14:22.51 | stoned | omg! I've got a factoid! |
| 14:22.54 | freespace | batman smells |
| 14:23.01 | abrotman | do i have one ? |
| 14:23.09 | Grub_Now | checking for main in -lcrypto... no |
| 14:23.12 | freespace | !freespace |
| 14:23.13 | dpkg | from memory, disk space usage is 'df -k' For a more readable output, try 'df -h' |
| 14:23.13 | Grub_Now | what do i need? |
| 14:23.22 | abrotman | Grub_Now: apt-cache search lib crypto |
| 14:23.29 | Mark_Iron | why abrotman ? .. do you have a problem ? |
| 14:23.41 | stoned | yeh |
| 14:23.44 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: you do |
| 14:23.52 | stoned | don't recommend non debian in #debian |
| 14:23.55 | stoned | /topic |
| 14:23.59 | stoned | read guidelines |
| 14:24.01 | Mark_Iron | I don't think so *lol* |
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| 14:24.37 | stoned | abrotman, oh btw, my JMB363 PATA controller works |
| 14:24.38 | stoned | bling bling |
| 14:24.40 | jeffwheeler | Of course, after hours, the first time it takes forever to die is the time after I ask. :P |
| 14:24.49 | Mark_Iron | well ... kanotix and sidux are based on debian SID ... one step further than etch @ stoned + abrotman |
| 14:24.52 | abrotman | wtf is JMB ? |
| 14:24.54 | stoned | 2.6.18-4 on a daily etch DI |
| 14:24.56 | stoned | Jmicron |
| 14:25.06 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: that's great .. go to ##linux :) |
| 14:25.16 | abrotman | stoned: oh .. those damn things that have been broken ? |
| 14:25.18 | stoned | and Sky2 got my Marvel Gigabit Eth working |
| 14:25.28 | stoned | abrotman, horrible linux support |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | go figure |
| 14:25.38 | Mark_Iron | thank you for your advice abrotman :-) |
| 14:25.40 | stoned | 965 chipset doesn't support PATA |
| 14:25.45 | stoned | intel took it out |
| 14:25.50 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: to fix your problem .. i'd use a metapackage .. but i'm lazy like that :) |
| 14:25.52 | stoned | it has a 3rd party pata controller on it by jmicron |
| 14:25.56 | Mark_Iron | well stoned .. you have to help yourself .. and read a bit more |
| 14:25.58 | stoned | fucking blows assholes if ya ask me |
| 14:26.09 | stoned | Mark_Iron, thank you. I appreciate it |
| 14:26.24 | stoned | the motherboard |
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| 14:26.38 | stoned | and I see a lot of motherboards with that chipset and the same ata controller |
| 14:26.42 | Mark_Iron | yes abrotman .. I should consider using a metapackage .. however tasksel should also do the job .. |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: can't you just add a task without rebuilding the package ? |
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| 14:27.22 | stoned | now if I can only get my font to show up |
| 14:27.26 | stoned | I'll be a happy camper |
| 14:27.31 | stoned | much happier than I am now |
| 14:27.31 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, I guess it's whenever I start using Iceweasel; it died immediately, then. |
| 14:27.39 | jeffwheeler | The lights remained on, on the NIC. |
| 14:27.48 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: paste your task somewhere |
| 14:27.53 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: really ? |
| 14:27.55 | Mark_Iron | no abrotman ... I need the new task name in the tasksel menu .. I have the name there allready .. but not all packages of the tasks will be installed |
| 14:27.56 | Grub_Now | i installed libcrypto* files |
| 14:27.57 | Grub_Now | dont help |
| 14:28.05 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: yep |
| 14:28.06 | Grub_Now | configure: error: libcrypto required but not found |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | Grub_Now: you need the -dev package |
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| 14:28.51 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: the docs about tasksel is a bit short .. particulary for such beginner like me |
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| 14:29.07 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: great .. paste your task somewhere |
| 14:29.21 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: clearly it doesn't stay dead as long as I'm using it, but me switching to it certainly did make it die very quickly, after having been using GAIM and it running fine for a while |
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| 14:29.34 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: i blame flash! |
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| 14:29.44 | jeffwheeler | Flash? |
| 14:29.46 | stoned | I blame canada |
| 14:29.54 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: is it actuall disconnecting you? or just the little gnome thing says so ? |
| 14:29.54 | Mark_Iron | stoned: I'm reading much about different linux topics ... and would recommend it to you too ;o) |
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| 14:30.21 | jeffwheeler | I think it's disconnecting; the page will stop loading half-way, then continue in a second. |
| 14:30.22 | Reiser_X | where can i find the place where is $ATH variable? |
| 14:30.26 | Reiser_X | $PATH |
| 14:30.34 | stoned | Mark_Iron, I was kidding around. I've been here for years and I'm not new with *nix or Debian |
| 14:30.37 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: try something like ssh to another host .. then start FF |
| 14:30.49 | abrotman | Reiser_X: your .bashrc or /etc/profile for systemwide |
| 14:30.59 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 14:31.09 | Mark_Iron | *lol* @ stoned *ggg* |
| 14:31.31 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: Hmm, start FF just with SSH running in the background, like a persistent connection or something? |
| 14:31.37 | tam | OT: does anyone knoiw how to get in touch with someone through del.icio.us? |
| 14:31.43 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: yep |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | tam: ask them on their page ? |
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| 14:31.57 | stoned | you know |
| 14:32.06 | stoned | I could just export my laptop over via xdmcp |
| 14:32.16 | jelly-home | Reiser_X: Global default? Try /etc/profile |
| 14:32.17 | stoned | at least I'll have debian with good looking fonts |
| 14:32.17 | tam | abrotman: i was thinking that...but then i'd have to leave them a bookmark |
| 14:32.22 | abrotman | so do it ? |
| 14:32.24 | stoned | Mark_Iron, please do not msg me |
| 14:32.25 | Reiser_X | yeah |
| 14:32.39 | Reiser_X | i need to add jdk path |
| 14:32.45 | Mark_Iron | stoned: *sorry* |
| 14:32.49 | Reiser_X | so when i use javac, it find it |
| 14:32.50 | stoned | Mark_Iron, kanotix blows |
| 14:32.58 | stoned | Mark_Iron, any debian but debian blows |
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| 14:33.10 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: do you have *any* intention on showing me your task? or are you going to keep pushing kanotix on people ? |
| 14:33.12 | Reiser_X | i will add it to thi line PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11" |
| 14:33.19 | abrotman | Reiser_X: NO |
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| 14:33.20 | stoned | I won't use another OS as my main desktop even on pain of death |
| 14:33.21 | jelly-home | !start a distro war |
| 14:33.22 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
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| 14:33.32 | stoned | cuz knowing me, everything else is too painful to use anyway |
| 14:33.32 | Reiser_X | where? |
| 14:33.36 | Mark_Iron | no abrotman ! .. sorry .. it was a private message to stoned .. not to this channel |
| 14:33.44 | abrotman | Reiser_X: wait .. yes .. i misread it :) |
| 14:33.45 | Reiser_X | stoned: Hi |
| 14:33.46 | stoned | debian > * |
| 14:33.49 | Reiser_X | jejejej |
| 14:33.51 | Reiser_X | heheh |
| 14:33.54 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: i don't give a shit .. stop doing it |
| 14:34.01 | jelly-home | Reiser_X: how did you install java? |
| 14:34.05 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: YES .. what kind of info do you need about the new task ? |
| 14:34.18 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: paste the actual task |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:34.21 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:34.33 | Reiser_X | i download from sun |
| 14:34.36 | Mark_Iron | ok abrotman .. wait a moment please ... |
| 14:34.37 | Reiser_X | a binary file |
| 14:34.58 | Reiser_X | if [ "`id -u`" -eq 0 ]; then |
| 14:34.58 | Reiser_X | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.58 | Reiser_X | else |
| 14:34.58 | Reiser_X | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.59 | Reiser_X | fi |
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| 14:35.16 | Reiser_X | sorry |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | Reiser_X: the first PATH is for root .. second is for everyone else |
| 14:35.29 | Reiser_X | yes |
| 14:35.32 | Reiser_X | i think so |
| 14:35.35 | Reiser_X | thanks |
| 14:36.14 | stoned | i got a mosquito bite on my back |
| 14:36.17 | stoned | and I can't reach! |
| 14:36.22 | stoned | goddamit |
| 14:36.42 | abrotman | fat ass |
| 14:36.46 | jelly-home | how can I see when was a process started? |
| 14:36.51 | stoned | dude I weigh like 140 lbs |
| 14:37.06 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: the task: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5256 |
| 14:37.11 | Zap-W | how many kgs is that |
| 14:37.19 | Tenkawa | Zap-W: not many |
| 14:37.21 | stoned | devided roughly by 2 |
| 14:37.28 | stoned | I'd say 70? maybe |
| 14:37.31 | Mark_Iron | a bit less ... stoned |
| 14:37.32 | stoned | 75 |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | jelly-home: maybe in /proc/ ? |
| 14:37.37 | stoned | 1.8 |
| 14:37.38 | stoned | ? |
| 14:37.41 | Mark_Iron | i mean less than 70 kg .. stoned |
| 14:37.45 | stoned | 65? |
| 14:37.48 | jelly-home | more like 2.2 |
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| 14:37.51 | jelly-home | so 60-65 |
| 14:37.54 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: and what doesn't work ? |
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| 14:37.58 | stoned | my math is horrible |
| 14:38.02 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.13 | stoned | dude |
| 14:38.15 | Zap-W | that isnt much |
| 14:38.15 | cb | ?? |
| 14:38.17 | stoned | I eat big macs everyday |
| 14:38.19 | stoned | supersized |
| 14:38.21 | stoned | ! |
| 14:38.27 | stoned | with a diet coke of course |
| 14:38.31 | Tenkawa | especially when I weighed 272 1.3 years ago |
| 14:38.32 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 14:38.35 | stoned | gotta worry about those calories you know |
| 14:38.45 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: the listed packages (except the Key package) will be not installed .. even I've choose the task |
| 14:38.47 | stoned | need diet coke |
| 14:38.48 | jelly-home | stoned: tzah, try something green. |
| 14:38.59 | Mark_Iron | choosen ... |
| 14:39.01 | stoned | actually I drink either water or powerade |
| 14:39.21 | Tenkawa | yeah all I drink is diet, water, propel |
| 14:39.25 | graytron | i don't drink |
| 14:39.26 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: and where's your email to joey ? |
| 14:39.34 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: chosen :) |
| 14:39.50 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: just now I will try another method .. "list" instead of "task-fields" in the the "^Packages:"-Line |
| 14:39.52 | Tenkawa | oh and occasionally soy milk |
| 14:39.57 | Mark_Iron | thank you abrotman |
| 14:40.45 | Mark_Iron | I did .. mailed it to joey .. didn't receive any answer till now *well it was few hours ago* |
| 14:40.47 | Tenkawa | damn my dvr is loud |
| 14:40.53 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 14:41.02 | stoned | im going to windows |
| 14:41.04 | Reiser_X | is there any pastebin page |
| 14:41.04 | Tenkawa | I can hear its drive across my living room |
| 14:41.05 | Reiser_X | ? |
| 14:41.11 | Reiser_X | pastebin.com is alow |
| 14:41.13 | Reiser_X | slow |
| 14:41.13 | graytron | stoned: use the door, man |
| 14:41.22 | Tenkawa | Reiser_X: pastebin.ca |
| 14:41.24 | Mark_Iron | It makes me nearly creazy .. I can not sleep ... @ abrotman ;-) *really* |
| 14:41.26 | graytron | oh no.. he's jumping? |
| 14:41.32 | graytron | out of the window |
| 14:41.43 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: drink beer |
| 14:41.47 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:41.48 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:41.50 | abrotman | Reiser_X: ^^ |
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| 14:42.10 | Ronin | abrotman: fix what? |
| 14:42.43 | abrotman | Ronin: HOLY CRAP LIONS IS GONE! |
| 14:42.48 | Mark_Iron | thanks for your idea abrotman - I don't drink any alkohol .. becouse of such targets like ironman competiton |
| 14:42.49 | Ronin | ahh |
| 14:42.58 | Grub_Now | checking for main in -lcrypto... no |
| 14:42.58 | Tenkawa | lions? |
| 14:43.03 | Grub_Now | i installed the dev package |
| 14:43.04 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: what kind of dork are you ? |
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| 14:43.09 | Reiser_X | http://www.pastebin.ca/338513 |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | Grub_Now: which package ? |
| 14:43.13 | Grub_Now | yet, what else do i need? |
| 14:43.18 | Reiser_X | i change the lines in profile |
| 14:43.33 | Reiser_X | but when i use javac it says command not found |
| 14:43.36 | Mark_Iron | let's me see whar "dork" does mean ;-) @ abrotman |
| 14:43.38 | Grub_Now | abrotman: libcrypto++-dev |
| 14:43.40 | Mark_Iron | waht ... |
| 14:43.55 | abrotman | Grub_Now: i wonder if it's looking for ssl dev libraries |
| 14:44.01 | Grub_Now | hmm |
| 14:44.08 | Mark_Iron | dict.leo.org |
| 14:45.03 | Mark_Iron | oh abrotman .. thank you *ggg* --- for the "dork" *lol* |
| 14:46.15 | Reiser_X | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/338513 |
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| 14:46.41 | abrotman | !install java |
| 14:46.42 | dpkg | somebody said install java was First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
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| 14:47.34 | Tenkawa | er are |
| 14:47.34 | Reiser_X | abrotman: java is installed |
| 14:47.41 | abrotman | Tenkawa: we have lots! |
| 14:47.44 | Reiser_X | i already compiled a program |
| 14:47.45 | abrotman | Reiser_X: echo $PATH |
| 14:47.47 | krazykit | Tenkawa, don't be. ohio is almost as backwards as west virginia :-P |
| 14:47.51 | Tenkawa | abrotman: wi right? |
| 14:47.58 | Tenkawa | krazykit: good point |
| 14:48.02 | abrotman | Tenkawa: no .. that's where my mom is .. i'm outside philly :) |
| 14:48.07 | Tenkawa | oh yeah |
| 14:48.10 | Reiser_X | humm |
| 14:48.10 | Tenkawa | philly is a colo mecca |
| 14:48.14 | sgeigerbot | Tenkawa: what kind of options? political options? First Criminal Convictions From Ohio's Stolen 2004 Election Confirm Recount Was Rigged by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman From: http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2379 January 27, 2007 |
| 14:48.16 | Reiser_X | there is no the line i modified |
| 14:48.22 | Tenkawa | I go to philly twice a year at least |
| 14:48.27 | abrotman | Tenkawa: you don't have sites in cinci/columbus/cleveland ? |
| 14:48.35 | Tenkawa | abrotman: very few... its sad |
| 14:48.38 | abrotman | Tenkawa: Phillies! |
| 14:48.55 | sgeigerbot | I don't understand: Why would you use vcdimager to rip a CD? Why not just use dd? |
| 14:49.01 | Tenkawa | and the ones we do have are catering to businesses.. not to individuals |
| 14:49.30 | abrotman | Tenkawa: find a local ISP .. some of them do hosting |
| 14:49.35 | sgeigerbot | ahahahhh.... |
| 14:49.39 | Tenkawa | I could drive to troy michigan to one I've used before but damn its a long drive |
| 14:49.46 | abrotman | Tenkawa: like in central PA they have pa.net |
| 14:50.05 | Tenkawa | abrotman: I have been.. most of them are all consolidating to the cogent and big data centers here :* |
| 14:50.08 | Tenkawa | er :* |
| 14:50.11 | Tenkawa | er :( dangit |
| 14:50.17 | abrotman | or they used to anyways |
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| 14:50.41 | Tenkawa | the one colo that use to be decent here wont return my email |
| 14:50.47 | Tenkawa | and noone ever answers the phone |
| 14:50.49 | jeffwheeler | Hmm, I guess this time it did not disconnect; perhaps it is only GNOME sometimes. |
| 14:50.57 | Tenkawa | so thats already a bad sign |
| 14:51.06 | ads1 | cs: pcmcia_socket0 cardbus cards are not supported ->>> could somebody tell me what the cs stands for? |
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| 14:53.24 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: did you try a perisstent connection ? |
| 14:53.32 | abrotman | card services IIRC |
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| 14:55.30 | Reiser_X | how can i get a channel to me? |
| 14:55.34 | Reiser_X | \registered one |
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| 14:55.48 | ads1 | well i 've been working on this for hours now and i can't get that stupid wlan card to work. It worked well on debian sarge, but doesnt on etch. |
| 14:55.56 | streuner | Reiser_X: /msg chanserv help |
| 14:56.00 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: interesting; this time everything disconneccted, and required that I disconnect manually |
| 14:56.19 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: but only when you start FF/IW ? |
| 14:56.44 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: seems rather spurradic, but that's the most often cause, it seems |
| 14:56.55 | jeffwheeler | that time, I had already been in IW for a while |
| 14:57.05 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: and only since you switched from the onboard NIC ? |
| 14:57.25 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: yes |
| 14:58.33 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: the solution is clear .. go back to the onboard NIC :) |
| 14:58.47 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: what is the driver for the PCI NIC ? |
| 14:58.59 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: other way around; I went from the PCI one to the onboard one |
| 14:59.05 | abrotman | oh |
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| 14:59.13 | abrotman | ok ... same thing .. which driver for each :) |
| 14:59.14 | Reiser_X | why to detect some videocards is so dificult in Debian, because ubuntu detect easy |
| 14:59.27 | jeffwheeler | Uh, not sure. How do I check? |
| 14:59.42 | krazykit | Reiser_X, sarge or etch? etch has good detection. |
| 14:59.48 | jeffwheeler | (I've been on Debian for a while, but I'm not too experienced on the low-level stuff.) |
| 14:59.49 | jeffwheeler | etch |
| 14:59.57 | Reiser_X | sarge |
| 14:59.58 | abrotman | ethtool should work |
| 15:00.14 | abrotman | Reiser_X: sarge still uses Xfree .. |
| 15:00.25 | Reiser_X | what use etch ? |
| 15:00.29 | abrotman | xorg |
| 15:00.33 | streuner | Reiser_X: just install a backport (/msg dpkg backport) |
| 15:00.33 | Reiser_X | hummmm |
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| 15:00.51 | Reiser_X | but etch is no stable |
| 15:01.00 | abrotman | should be soon .. hopefully .. maybe |
| 15:01.10 | Reiser_X | well |
| 15:01.21 | Reiser_X | by now my laptop detect fine |
| 15:01.37 | Reiser_X | the only problem is i can't use 1024 x 768 |
| 15:01.48 | streuner | VESA? |
| 15:01.57 | Reiser_X | and can't switch to external Widescreen monitor |
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| 15:02.08 | abrotman | streuner: no .. i am a citizen |
| 15:02.13 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: driver is b44, version 1.01, no given firmware-version |
| 15:02.26 | Reiser_X | IBM ThinkPAd T30 |
| 15:02.29 | abrotman | b44 doesn't require firmware for all models |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: and the other one ? |
| 15:02.36 | streuner | Reiser_X: are you using VESA? |
| 15:02.50 | Reiser_X | i don't know |
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| 15:02.51 | kiba | firefox take forever on linux and fast on window |
| 15:02.53 | loesje | hi |
| 15:02.54 | kiba | what is up with that? |
| 15:03.02 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: I don't have it in my machine any more; hard for me to test. I think it was Broadcom. |
| 15:03.08 | loesje | how can i format an external harddisk in kde |
| 15:03.16 | abrotman | kiba: same versions ? |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: oh ok |
| 15:03.21 | krazykit | loesje, qtparted |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: you could try the binary broadcom driver . |
| 15:03.32 | capiira | hmm hi i need to add an option to modprobe.conf where can i find that file on debian ? the one in /etc says that i should not manuly add stuff to it |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: or check the BTS for your kernel version |
| 15:03.49 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: BTS? |
| 15:03.52 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:03.53 | dpkg | [bts] the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:04.19 | ads1 | why can my system say cardbus cards are not supported, this is bs, cause they are, help me :( |
| 15:04.36 | Reiser_X | http://www.pastebin.ca/338545 |
| 15:04.51 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: I'm not sure if the integrated NIC is the Broadcom one or if it was the PCI one; how can I check? I just remember from a while back that I had trouble with it originally. |
| 15:05.00 | streuner | Reiser_X: http://people.via.ecp.fr/~alexis/t30/ |
| 15:05.01 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: you only have one now right ? |
| 15:05.03 | xingu | capiira: etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 15:05.10 | capiira | ahh thx |
| 15:05.16 | capiira | brb |
| 15:05.19 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: Yes, eth0. |
| 15:05.36 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: if you only have one .. then b44 is what is driving it |
| 15:05.41 | kiba | abrotman: yup |
| 15:05.48 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: is that Broadcom driver, then? |
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| 15:06.07 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: there is b44 and tg3 that are free ... and then there is a binary one from broadcom.com |
| 15:06.12 | streuner | Reiser_X: its a ATI Radeon inside |
| 15:06.25 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: ah, ok. I didn't realize b44 was for Broadcom. |
| 15:06.34 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: let me look at the binary |
| 15:06.46 | Reiser_X | yeah |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: modinfo b44 |
| 15:07.07 | loesje | qtparted /mnt/usb krazykit? |
| 15:07.22 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: ah, okay. |
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| 15:07.50 | Reiser_X | the problem is resolution and change to external monitor, when i press a Key in ThinkPad to change to external monitor |
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| 15:08.27 | capiira | thx worked |
| 15:08.32 | streuner | Reiser_X: pastebin your x config file |
| 15:09.57 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: http://broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/faq_drivers.php#tg3; it seems like they make b44 |
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| 15:11.28 | krazykit | loesje, no, just run qtparted and click on /dev/sdX, where X is the external drive. |
| 15:12.51 | loesje | i dont have qtparted |
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| 15:13.10 | allefant | is it possible to add something to a bugreport? |
| 15:13.14 | Reiser_X | http://www.pastebin.ca/338553 |
| 15:13.34 | allefant | i mean, if i don't got it by mail, but only found it on bugs.debian.org |
| 15:13.39 | Reiser_X | streuner: pasted, please review |
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| 15:14.23 | ilf | why does incoming take so long to accept packages? http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 15:14.24 | krazykit | loesje, uh, install it? you could just use fdisk or parted if you wanted. |
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| 15:14.26 | allefant | (specifically, i'm the upstream author and have some additional info to a bug reported to debian) |
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| 15:15.08 | streuner | Reiser_X: you didn't choose another resolution, other than 800x60, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose others as well. |
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| 15:15.38 | ads1 | what's the difference between 686 and 386 ? |
| 15:15.42 | ads1 | in kernel versions |
| 15:15.47 | streuner | i386 |
| 15:15.50 | streuner | !i386 |
| 15:15.50 | dpkg | somebody said i386 was the designation for the "common ordinary garden-variety PC" architecture. Runs on everything from the 80386SX (woody) or 80486SX (sarge) and up. If you don't know what arch you want, you want this one. |
| 15:16.27 | streuner | "386" supports 80386 and any other x86 box as well |
| 15:16.43 | Thug-N-Me | streuner and what does 686 support ? |
| 15:16.54 | krazykit | Thug-N-Me, anything newer than a pentium II |
| 15:17.03 | streuner | !686 |
| 15:17.03 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel, or if you want to take advantage of hyperthreading support, you should install a -smp kernel. |
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| 15:17.17 | Thug-N-Me | krazykit so pentium 4 box should get 686 then |
| 15:17.22 | krazykit | Thug-N-Me, yup |
| 15:17.41 | Thug-N-Me | krazykit and what if they get 386 on a pentuim $ ? |
| 15:17.43 | Thug-N-Me | 4 |
| 15:17.46 | streuner | there is libc6-686 as well... |
| 15:17.51 | streuner | !info libc6-686 |
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| 15:17.59 | Reiser_X | but i have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 with xfree closed |
| 15:18.10 | Reiser_X | ? |
| 15:18.10 | kiba | YES |
| 15:18.13 | krazykit | Thug-N-Me, can't say there's really a huge difference between the two, but then, i've not done any benchmarks |
| 15:18.15 | kiba | lighting fast download! |
| 15:18.43 | streuner | !info libc6-i686 |
| 15:18.49 | dpkg | libc6-i686: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries [i686 optimized]), section libs, is extra. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 1090 kB, Installed size: 2476 kB |
| 15:18.54 | Thug-N-Me | krazykit would the system be slower for a box with pt 4 whos running 386 ? |
| 15:19.00 | ads1 | what's meant by a -smp kernel? |
| 15:19.12 | streuner | Thug-N-Me: very likely |
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| 15:19.21 | Thug-N-Me | streuner ok |
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| 15:19.30 | streuner | Thug-N-Me: if you have a 686 machine just install libc6-i686 as well |
| 15:19.32 | h3sp4wn | In etch all kernels are smp |
| 15:19.34 | ebbs | enouf, Now I know whats the fault...: When I start with the new kernel, it recognizes my Harddisk as hda, but it should be sda! Any idea, why the kernel does not know whats right? |
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| 15:20.03 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme, what iso should i download to install debian on a sparc64 workstation ? |
| 15:20.06 | streuner | Thug-N-Me: if it can't use those it just uses libc6 then |
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| 15:20.22 | Thug-N-Me | netinst CD image (100-150 MB) |
| 15:20.22 | Thug-N-Me | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc |
| 15:20.26 | deadbeef | i downloaded debian-31r4-sparc-netinst.iso, is it ok ? |
| 15:20.28 | Thug-N-Me | there is no 686 |
| 15:20.39 | streuner | Thug-N-Me: i386 |
| 15:20.42 | Thug-N-Me | deadbeef you need i386 |
| 15:20.48 | Thug-N-Me | streuner ok |
| 15:20.50 | deadbeef | Thug-N-Me: no, i don't |
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| 15:22.56 | h3sp4wn | deadbeef: sparc is a 64 bit kernel with a 32 bit userland |
| 15:23.31 | h3sp4wn | deadbeef: Only ubuntu has a full sparc64 port |
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| 15:24.08 | deadbeef | no problem |
| 15:24.18 | justin | ...because a 64bit userland runs slower than a 32bit one |
| 15:24.43 | streuner | h3sp4wn: why do you suggest another distro here? |
| 15:25.16 | ebbs | Hi my new self-compiled Kernel recognizes my Harddisk as hda, but it should be sda! Any idea, why the kernel does not know whats right? |
| 15:25.55 | streuner | ebbs: why not using an official kernel? |
| 15:26.14 | Reiser_X | i have an screenchoot with the problem when select 1024x768 |
| 15:26.21 | Reiser_X | where can i send it? |
| 15:26.23 | ebbs | streuner, just so! |
| 15:26.30 | Reiser_X | streuner: |
| 15:26.36 | streuner | if you want play, play elsewhere |
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| 15:26.45 | streuner | Reiser_X: imageshack.us |
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| 15:27.11 | jelly-home | ebbs: what kernel version |
| 15:27.23 | h3sp4wn | streuner: why not ? - I see no problem with at least giving people options (I wouldn't use it) |
| 15:27.54 | streuner | modern kernels have more than 500 options to configure, if you want break your hardware, just do so... |
| 15:27.54 | ebbs | jelly-home, 2.6.19.2 |
| 15:28.05 | ebbs | jelly-home, lat stable from kernel.org |
| 15:28.07 | Reiser_X | http://img160.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenjg2.png |
| 15:28.27 | Reiser_X | i can shoose 1024 but screen drive bad |
| 15:28.44 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: did you try hda=noprobe ? |
| 15:29.02 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, no, would that solve my problem? |
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| 15:29.19 | streuner | h3sp4wn: did you read the /topic yet? |
| 15:29.30 | jelly-home | ebbs: did you perhaps mean the opposite, the hda is now sda? |
| 15:29.36 | streuner | h3sp4wn: this is *#debian* NOT ##linux |
| 15:29.52 | Reiser_X | streuner: do you saw the picture? |
| 15:30.04 | streuner | Reiser_X: yes |
| 15:30.29 | jelly-home | ebbs: if that's it, that's normal for 2.6.19 |
| 15:30.38 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, no, with my functional kernel its sda, and the new recognizes hda, and when Im switching all to hda (in fstab and in grub) all things run very slow! |
| 15:30.41 | xingu | sparcv7 has no vis though, right? how could that target be faster on anything less crusty than a sun4m ? |
| 15:30.48 | streuner | Reiser_X: did you try 'fglrx'? |
| 15:30.56 | Reiser_X | what is that? |
| 15:31.04 | hark | Reiser_X: is it an LCD? |
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| 15:31.19 | Reiser_X | yes |
| 15:31.24 | Reiser_X | is a laptop |
| 15:31.26 | streuner | Reiser_X: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 15:31.27 | Reiser_X | IBM T30 |
| 15:31.34 | hark | Reiser_X: what's the native res? |
| 15:31.49 | xingu | oh, I see, libc6-sparcv9 |
| 15:31.52 | xingu | fair do. |
| 15:32.06 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, ill try it |
| 15:32.06 | davi__ | Is there an apache2-ssl-certificate or similar ? |
| 15:32.08 | Reiser_X | 800x 600 |
| 15:32.32 | streuner | davi__: did you read README.Debian about? |
| 15:32.58 | hark | Reiser_X: no, get hwinfo and run hwinfo --monitor. |
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| 15:33.25 | davi__ | streuner, no. I am going to read it. thanks |
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| 15:33.32 | streuner | davi__: anyway, just read /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian - usually there are some nice trics and infos ... |
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| 15:33.48 | davi__ | streuner, great |
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| 15:36.19 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: also the location of the sata stuff changed - unless you specifically re add the stuff you won't be able to boot |
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| 15:37.15 | davi__ | streuner, There is not any README.Debian at these packages: apache2 apache2.2-common apache2-doc apache2-utils apachetop ! |
| 15:37.21 | davi__ | just changelog etc |
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| 15:38.14 | Reiser_X | http://pastebin.ca/338574 |
| 15:38.16 | hark | davi__: there's a manual in apache2-doc |
| 15:38.20 | deadbeef | ok |
| 15:38.25 | Reiser_X | hark: http://pastebin.ca/338574 |
| 15:38.29 | deadbeef | i'm installing debian on the UltraSPARC workstation |
| 15:38.42 | Tallu | deadbeef: good luck :) |
| 15:38.50 | deadbeef | it seems to work |
| 15:38.57 | davi__ | thanks hark |
| 15:39.01 | itrebal | how can I add/remove services to start by default (that are in /etc/init.d)? and what mail server is generally installed? |
| 15:39.18 | hark | Reiser_X: just hwinfo --monitor :) |
| 15:39.19 | Thug-N-Me | is there etch rc2 out ? |
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| 15:40.20 | Reiser_X | no output |
| 15:41.17 | hark | Reiser_X: ah, and you have an external monitor as well? |
| 15:41.21 | metadata_ | itrebal: man update-rc.d |
| 15:41.36 | Reiser_X | yeah |
| 15:41.43 | Reiser_X | buy i am not using it now |
| 15:41.46 | itrebal | metadata_: thanks |
| 15:41.54 | itrebal | and is any mail server installed by "default"? |
| 15:41.54 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: soon |
| 15:42.08 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman ok |
| 15:42.10 | Reiser_X | my laptop comes with a button to switch between external monitor |
| 15:42.17 | Reiser_X | and laptop monitor |
| 15:42.23 | Reiser_X | at windows it work ok |
| 15:42.27 | Reiser_X | but debian no |
| 15:42.28 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ .. Frans Pop sent an email the other day |
| 15:43.01 | abrotman | Thug-N-Me: on 30/01 |
| 15:43.27 | jelly-home | itrebal: you can check which one you have by doing dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 15:43.36 | hark | Reiser_X: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T30 <-- this one? |
| 15:43.37 | Thug-N-Me | abrotman looking now |
| 15:43.41 | krazykit | Reiser_X, my laptop has that button too. as far as i can tell, all it does is mess up the X |
| 15:43.42 | itrebal | jelly: thanks |
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| 15:44.26 | Reiser_X | yeah |
| 15:44.28 | Reiser_X | T30 |
| 15:45.01 | hark | do you hve the XGA or the SXGA+ one? |
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| 15:45.16 | Reiser_X | extrenal monitor? |
| 15:45.24 | Reiser_X | external monitor? |
| 15:45.25 | xingu | do any of the x extentions even allow you to select active screen? I mean you could possibly abuse the monitor layout thing such that each screen only supported one screen mode and just toggle modes to select which screen was in use... |
| 15:45.54 | xingu | but in general... even randr isn't really designed for dynamically selecting which screen is active, just what res is in use right? |
| 15:45.59 | hark | Reiser_X: no, i mean the one with 1024x768 or 1400x1050? |
| 15:46.19 | Reiser_X | humm |
| 15:46.26 | Reiser_X | is the monitor LCD of laptop |
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| 15:47.50 | xingu | Reiser_X: modulo what anyone else knows I bet you're going to find that if there's an answer to that question, it's a specific driver's feature. |
| 15:48.01 | hark | damn you hwinfo!! |
| 15:48.23 | xingu | Reiser_X: ... and not generic to the x server at all; so the important question starting with that perspective in mind is - what display driver are you using? |
| 15:49.13 | Reiser_X | ati |
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| 15:49.33 | xingu | Reiser_X: certainly in my experience anyway the x11 way is to have all screens active all the time - even if they're not attached/ switched on |
| 15:49.49 | Reiser_X | hummm |
| 15:50.28 | streuner | davi__: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ssl/ssl_faq.html#ownca |
| 15:50.44 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 15:50.50 | Reiser_X | i connect external monitor |
| 15:50.54 | Reiser_X | WideScreen |
| 15:51.02 | Reiser_X | i can see both monitor actived |
| 15:51.19 | Reiser_X | hummm |
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| 15:52.15 | mrec | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.24 | mrec | god I hate that whole mozilla project so much |
| 15:52.35 | hark | heh |
| 15:53.00 | Reiser_X | the resolution of WideScreen have to be 1440 |
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| 15:53.04 | Reiser_X | but there is no such resolution |
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| 15:53.23 | streuner | mrec: looks like 'flash' or a very bad website you just visited :-) |
| 15:53.30 | mrec | streuner: I have no flash here |
| 15:53.55 | mrec | it's just the usual crap this happened for the last 4 years now |
| 15:54.03 | CHodapp | meh, flash |
| 15:54.13 | davi__ | thanks streuner |
| 15:54.15 | mrec | there's no improvement at all |
| 15:54.17 | krazykit | mrec, nobody's making you use it. konqueror, epiphany, dillo, opera (if you're fine with non-free) |
| 15:55.28 | boka | dildo |
| 15:55.28 | mrec | I usually use konqueror, but it doesn't work with everything |
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| 15:55.28 | fraudster | quick survey :P how many of you in here are female? |
| 15:55.28 | abrotman | krazykit: epiphany uses the same engine |
| 15:55.29 | jelly-home | fraudster: who cares? |
| 15:55.29 | abrotman | fraudster: wrong channel |
| 15:55.29 | mrec | you cannot adjust some settings in googlemail with konqueror for example |
| 15:55.29 | krazykit | abrotman, yeah, but no heavy XUL |
| 15:55.29 | abrotman | krazykit: XUL isn't that bad |
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| 15:55.33 | fraudster | heh |
| 15:55.39 | fraudster | that is a easy way to say no |
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| 15:55.55 | jelly-home | fraudster: no, that's an easy way to say "offtopic" |
| 15:56.00 | krazykit | abrotman, i'm only irritated that it eats all my memory :-( |
| 15:56.19 | abrotman | krazykit: dunno .. i use opera/epiphany .. |
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| 15:57.33 | hark | how do you make epiphany use ctrl+(shift)+enter for urls ? |
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| 15:58.46 | abrotman | hark: i had to go to the epiphany channel to get stuff like that answered :) |
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| 15:59.09 | hark | abrotman: and you got the answer..? |
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| 15:59.53 | abrotman | hark: not to that one .. but i got a plugin for ctrl-tab tab cycling .. and a few other tidbits .. however they couldn't tell me how to get the close button off the tab |
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| 16:00.19 | hark | abrotman: ah, i know that one ;) |
| 16:00.34 | abrotman | hark: you know how to get the button off ? |
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| 16:01.19 | hark | yes, just a min.. |
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| 16:01.59 | maddash | die X die!!!! |
| 16:02.09 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-bksp |
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| 16:03.11 | hark | abrotman: http://www.sstuhr.dk/epiphany-extensions/ , but haven't yet tried it. |
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| 16:03.52 | abrotman | hark: that's odd .. that's where i got the ctrl-tab plugin |
| 16:03.53 | Reiser_X | well, finally i am using 1024 |
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| 16:04.28 | laza | Hi! I'm trying to get a wireless usb adapter with a rt2571w chip to work on a debian powerpc box. The device/chip does not seem to be supported on debian, but there is a linux driver from the vendor (2.6.8), which I can't manage to get compiled with kernel 2.6.18. Anyone got some hints? |
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| 16:05.50 | hark | abrotman: it's the *first* extension! |
| 16:05.51 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, it didnt work with hda=noprobe! What else can I do. In grub Im starting with root=/dev/sda2 ,but a minute later it shows: ALERT! /dev/sda2 does not exists? What is this ..? |
| 16:06.03 | hark | Reiser_X: and the screen is OK now? |
| 16:06.03 | abrotman | hark: not sure i like how that works ... |
| 16:06.04 | Reiser_X | yeah |
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| 16:06.04 | Reiser_X | but can't use 1440 |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | hark: i have no close button at all |
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| 16:06.28 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, a little shell then opens: (initramfs) and there you can use the basic linux commands |
| 16:06.41 | Reiser_X | because X think i am in 1024x768 monitor and desktop move live i have a big space |
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| 16:07.05 | valdyn | laza: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/ |
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| 16:07.29 | valdyn | laza: driver from there is in debian too |
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| 16:07.41 | Reiser_X | but i can live with 1024 |
| 16:07.56 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: Did you explicitly reenable the sata stuff ? |
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| 16:08.21 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, in menuconfig? |
| 16:08.24 | Zap-W | is there a sweden site for debian |
| 16:08.27 | Zap-W | i mean channel |
| 16:08.40 | amphi | !se |
| 16:08.41 | dpkg | methinks se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 16:09.02 | laza | valdyn: Thanks! I will have a look! |
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| 16:09.03 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: yep - CONFIG_ATA=y and whatever driver you need |
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| 16:09.37 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, Config_ATA was not compiled! |
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| 16:09.49 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: using sata ? |
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| 16:10.10 | abrotman | hark: those are some buggy extensions :) |
| 16:10.17 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, my actual kernel dfines my HDD as sda, so yes! |
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| 16:10.37 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: could have been using libata pata |
| 16:10.41 | hark | abrotman: hmm, yeah I'm trying them out. damn! |
| 16:10.54 | abrotman | hark: the middle click scroll one only seems to work on certain pages |
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| 16:11.27 | abrotman | hrm .. that was odd |
| 16:11.30 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, ??? in menuconfig? |
| 16:11.35 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: easiest way is to just statically put in the sata driver you need and scsi disk support - if you don't maybe you need to define the modules esplicitly in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 16:12.32 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, ah, ok, and how Im making this, and why it runs with my old kernel? |
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| 16:12.36 | hark | abrotman: the middle click scroll is already a part of epiphany-extensions afaik |
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| 16:12.59 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: if you started with the .config of 2.6.18 some things were renamed |
| 16:13.04 | abrotman | hark: nah .. i think it's part of gnome :) |
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| 16:13.36 | luckie | hi |
| 16:13.37 | hark | !info epiphany-extensions etch |
| 16:13.38 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: libata (sata) was removed from the scsi part into its own section |
| 16:13.40 | dpkg | epiphany-extensions: (Extensions for Epiphany web browser), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.14.1.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 523 kB, Installed size: 1996 kB |
| 16:13.52 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, for menuconfig, I went in the dir of linux-2.6.19.2 and then made make menuconfig! |
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| 16:14.24 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, must I clean something first?? |
| 16:14.30 | luckie | i need some help im tryin to free up some space on my first partition i ran out of space installing new packages... how can i safely uninstall a package |
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| 16:14.33 | criminy | if I wanted to setup routing with iptables (with testing), do I need to recompile my kernel for the "net" module? |
| 16:14.35 | Petrov | what are the system requirements for debian? |
| 16:14.41 | hark | abrotman: but yeah, the close button extension is no good. well out with it ;). |
| 16:14.42 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, make clean, perhaps? |
| 16:14.44 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: starting from scratch or using another .config to start with |
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| 16:15.09 | abrotman | hark: heh |
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| 16:15.35 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, what is scratch? |
| 16:15.46 | luckie | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:15.47 | luckie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.48 | luckie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.57 | maddash | ouch. |
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| 16:16.00 | luckie | sorry |
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| 16:16.54 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: find out with lsmod which drivers you need and add them |
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| 16:17.25 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, add them where? by modprobe... |
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| 16:17.35 | abrotman | luckie: apt-get clean |
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| 16:17.56 | luckie | i did that already |
| 16:18.03 | luckie | it did not help any |
| 16:18.08 | abrotman | luckie: look in /var/log/ .. are there lots of .gz files ? |
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| 16:18.35 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: to the kernel config |
| 16:18.58 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: with make menuconfig or by editing /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| 16:19.23 | luckie | there was one that was pretty big but its still at 0% free |
| 16:19.31 | Laserl | hi |
| 16:19.35 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, a little summary: you think my fault was with menuconfig, CONFIG_ATA=n, should be yes, so that my sata works? |
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| 16:20.23 | cusco_ | yo! |
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| 16:20.35 | abrotman | luckie: sync change it at all ? |
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| 16:20.46 | enouf | ebbs |
| 16:20.56 | ebbs | enouf, yes? |
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| 16:21.09 | enouf | ebbs: hello /.. did anyone answer you yet? |
| 16:21.34 | Laserl | fast question: Can i preserve update of certain files if I add that to /var/lib/dpkg/info/xxx.conffiles ? |
| 16:21.54 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: CONFIG_ATA=y + whatever driver you need (I use CONFIG_SATA_NV=y) You also need scsi disk support =y |
| 16:21.58 | enouf | ebbs: change your /etc/fstab to read /dev/sda instead of hda |
| 16:21.59 | ebbs | yes, but if you would ... : The fault is that my new kernel recognizes my HDD as hda, should be sda! |
| 16:22.09 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, k |
| 16:22.21 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, so I must recompile. |
| 16:22.31 | luckie | type sync ? |
| 16:22.43 | luckie | naw didnt do nuthin |
| 16:22.50 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: The issue is with the renaming of the stuff initramfs-tools won't just do it automatically - you can still use modules for everything |
| 16:22.54 | ebbs | enouf, yes, yes in fstab its all sda, but 2.6.19.2 makes hda.. |
| 16:23.01 | hark | Laserl: no, not there. /msg dpkg hold |
| 16:23.05 | enouf | h3sp4wn: ebbs I see .. |
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| 16:23.31 | jelly-home | ebbs: why not just update fstab? |
| 16:23.55 | hark | Laserl: or man aptitude. look for hold |
| 16:24.09 | Laserl | but i don't want to hold full package |
| 16:24.14 | ebbs | jelly-home, when Im switching all to hda, the system boots, but it is very, very slow then! |
| 16:24.16 | Laserl | only some files of it |
| 16:24.16 | Cuddles_in_K | morning all. |
| 16:24.25 | hark | Laserl: ah, i get it |
| 16:24.55 | Cuddles_in_K | anyone here got a good tutorial for setting up a smtp/pop server? |
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| 16:25.26 | jelly-home | ebbs: this sounds like a kernel driver problem |
| 16:26.01 | enouf | ebbs: as i was trying to pointout about major changes between 2.6.8 ->2.6.18 kernels, with initramfs, udev changes and such .. you likely want to roll your initrd with any sata driver support you need built in, though modules should work .. hrm.. |
| 16:26.08 | Laserl | hark: can I? |
| 16:26.19 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: The issue is he doesn't have the serial ata drivers even enabled so its falling back to something else |
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| 16:26.38 | jelly-home | enouf: between 2.6.18 and 2.6.19 sata and pata support was overhauled |
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| 16:26.45 | abrotman | luckie: cd / && ls | du -sh |
| 16:26.46 | ice_cream | hi, i get weird cpu spikes whenever i run bt--running both it and a movie can cause mplayer to pause/skip every once in a while...any ideas? |
| 16:26.56 | jelly-home | enouf: everything uses libata drivers now, at least by default |
| 16:27.06 | abrotman | ice_cream: stop stealing movies ? |
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| 16:27.10 | enouf | jelly-home: heh .. that too .. I knew somewthing major changed .. was that for the AHCI compliancy? |
| 16:27.27 | jelly-home | enouf: I have no idea |
| 16:27.30 | enouf | jelly-home: right and any libata issues |
| 16:27.43 | enouf | ebbs: see linux-ata.org for more about that |
| 16:27.55 | ebbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.02 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: by default only sata uses libata - the old ide stuff is still used for the pata stuff |
| 16:28.05 | unlink | how do i build an x86_64 kernel on an i686 machine? |
| 16:28.08 | krazykit | ice_cream, if they're doing things on the same hard drive, you may habe some problems |
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| 16:28.17 | hark | Laserl: hmm, not sure. |
| 16:28.34 | h3sp4wn | unlink: build a cross compiling toolchain |
| 16:28.39 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: hm, are you sure about that? |
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| 16:29.12 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: I've misread the release notes probably |
| 16:29.15 | ice_cream | krazykit, why is that? i even attempted to set mplayer to priority -20 to no avail...any other possible tricks i could do? |
| 16:29.16 | unlink | h3sp4wn: the x86 debian gcc can build elf_x86_64 natively |
| 16:29.18 | Laserl | since I replaced /usr/sbin/sendmail with /usr/sbin/ssmtp, I need to hold that file |
| 16:29.29 | h3sp4wn | unlink: On a 64 bit kernel |
| 16:29.31 | enouf | ebbs: I wouldn't think so .. but go over your menuconfig and enable any all scsi, ahci, ata stuff .. and make sure that in your BIOS, you have AHCI mode, ACPI, and any (IO)APIC all Enabled |
| 16:29.38 | xingu | unlink: make-kpkg --arch |
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| 16:30.02 | krazykit | ice_cream, it's a hard-drive thing, not a cpu thing. there's only so much seeking that can be done at once. if a torrent is going especially fast, it'll commit to disk more, possibly causing mplayer to skip |
| 16:30.13 | h3sp4wn | jelly-home: In my testing that is what happened (they are still tagged as experimental the pata ones) |
| 16:30.17 | enouf | ebbs: take sata/ata out of "compatibiltity mode" in the BIOS and enable ahci, if applicable .. see that site i posted |
| 16:30.49 | ebbs | enouf, but ATA normally includes SATA, because I cant find any SATA options in menuconfig, only a experimental one for SATA and Parallel ATA... |
| 16:31.20 | enouf | ebbs: hrm .. did you use an oldconfig? |
| 16:31.29 | ice_cream | krazykit, ah, good explanation, thx, but what do you mean by 'seeking'? |
| 16:31.46 | kiba | hmm |
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| 16:31.48 | ice_cream | the committing to disk part? |
| 16:31.48 | enouf | ebbs: the "experimental" ones shouldn't kill ya .. try them |
| 16:31.56 | kiba | where you get all these cool applets on the desktop? |
| 16:32.09 | ebbs | enouf, maybe I dont know!! Should I delete the .config and remake it ? |
| 16:32.23 | krazykit | ice_cream, the way the hard disk works. i think it's called seeking. either way, it's the total read/write throughput at any one time |
| 16:32.34 | enouf | ebbs: heh .. yeah .. that might help too .. which Mobo is this? |
| 16:32.34 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: It says SATA (Prod) PATA (Experimental) |
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| 16:32.42 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 16:32.57 | ice_cream | krazykit, thx! |
| 16:32.59 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, yes |
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| 16:33.11 | ebbs | enouf, Mobo? |
| 16:33.20 | h3sp4wn | ebbs: So the Serial ATA stuff is not experimental (Production) |
| 16:33.25 | enouf | I recall many having that hda renaming to sda durring the .15->.16 transition though .. or so i thought |
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| 16:34.02 | enouf | or mainly whenevr they finally stepped up to all udev instead of hotplug .. iirc |
| 16:34.02 | ebbs | oh |
| 16:34.02 | ebbs | h3sp4wn, ok, so thats MY fault... at last! |
| 16:34.19 | ebbs | okok, ill try it! |
| 16:34.45 | ebbs | This recompiling will take a while |
| 16:35.13 | enouf | ebbs: I still don't get why you won't use a stock debian kernel? |
| 16:35.23 | ebbs | enouf, :-) |
| 16:35.48 | ebbs | enouf, maybe the proud to have an own-compiled one. ;-) |
| 16:36.04 | h3sp4wn | No debian kernels with a 1000hz timer or PREEMPT |
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| 16:36.21 | itrebal | to install QMail, must I compile it? I don't see any package for it |
| 16:36.24 | jelly-home | h3sp4wn: so let him compile his own 2.6.18 |
| 16:36.28 | ebbs | Thank you all. We'll see... |
| 16:36.42 | Gathond | itrebal: I think so, its license enforces that I think |
| 16:36.53 | enouf | h3sp4wn: 1000hz ? that doesn't do anything anyway |
| 16:37.00 | itrebal | Gathond: thanks |
| 16:37.10 | enouf | h3sp4wn: there's also a nice PREEMPT patch |
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| 16:37.39 | h3sp4wn | enouf: Noticable when you want to keep a desktop responsive when you are doing lots at once |
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| 16:37.55 | h3sp4wn | enouf: The PREEMPT patch is in debian ? |
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| 16:38.18 | kiba | umm |
| 16:38.26 | kiba | where you launch kdeaddons stuff? |
| 16:38.34 | kiba | I want to install applets |
| 16:38.45 | hark | kiba: try #debian-kde |
| 16:38.48 | adrakoa | !flame kde |
| 16:38.49 | dpkg | kde: YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 16:38.59 | dvs | !!!! |
| 16:39.00 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 16:39.10 | enouf | h3sp4wn: I can't say for sure .. but I call the HZ timer thing bs .. since it doesn't have the affect one might think .. but whatever .. and no the patch set for preeempt isn't in Debian .. that's another issue |
| 16:39.28 | enouf | Not that I know of anyways |
| 16:39.49 | jelly-home | enouf: even if it was packaged, one'd still have to recompile. |
| 16:40.03 | enouf | yep .. ok |
| 16:40.30 | enouf | but atleast the Sata/ATA stuff wouldn't be broken .. it's easy enough to apply a Patch |
| 16:40.47 | enouf | than it is to go through the whole Config and get all the settings right |
| 16:41.19 | luckie | fk |
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| 16:41.31 | abrotman | luckie: what did you find with that command ? |
| 16:41.47 | enouf | kiba: see kde.org and learn how to use apt-cache search |
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| 16:42.24 | enouf | kiba: /msg dpkg search |
| 16:44.23 | luckie | with what command ? |
| 16:44.46 | luckie | sync ? |
| 16:44.54 | luckie | just returned, didnt help free any space |
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| 16:45.42 | abrotman | luckie: cd / && ls | du -sh |
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| 16:46.28 | h3sp4wn | enouf: the Sata/ata stuff would be broken still because it has moved to somewhere else |
| 16:47.01 | enouf | h3sp4wn: where'd it go? |
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| 16:47.34 | kiba | enouf: I know how to do that |
| 16:47.47 | h3sp4wn | enouf: It was under SCSI - but after the libata pata merge now its in Sata (Prod) pata (experimental) |
| 16:47.58 | xingu | enouf: classic ide support is dead, libata now has chipset drivers for most stuff. |
| 16:47.58 | enouf | !clap kiba |
| 16:48.21 | xingu | however, this is 2.6.19 stuff, which afaik isn't a current debian image yet |
| 16:48.29 | xingu | so it's not a problem for #debian, right? |
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| 16:49.00 | enouf | xingu: h3sp4wn but there's no reason that ebbs needs a .19 kernel .. he only wanted a kernel compiled with gcc 4.0 or higher |
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| 16:49.20 | pippijn | hi all |
| 16:49.32 | xingu | enouf: exactly, he'd be better off grabbing the debianised 2.6.18 source package and just rebuilding it. |
| 16:49.38 | jelly-home | enouf: but, Debian's kernel is compiled with gcc-4.1 |
| 16:49.43 | enouf | xingu: exactly my point .. |
| 16:49.46 | luckie | LiNuXStaTioN:/# cd / && ls | du -sh |
| 16:49.47 | luckie | 301G . |
| 16:49.47 | luckie | LiNuXStaTioN:/# |
| 16:49.57 | enouf | jelly-home: that's fine 4.1 is good too :-) |
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| 16:50.23 | enouf | jelly-home: my .16 used 4.0 :-) |
| 16:50.25 | abrotman | luckie: you only have one partition ? |
| 16:50.30 | luckie | no |
| 16:50.34 | luckie | 3 |
| 16:50.43 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:50.46 | abrotman | luckie: cd / && ls | xargs du -sh |
| 16:50.48 | abrotman | that's better :) |
| 16:50.51 | abrotman | !paster |
| 16:50.51 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 16:51.00 | glontu | hello |
| 16:51.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: du crosses filesystem boundaries unless asked not to |
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| 16:51.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: it'll be close enough! |
| 16:51.29 | glontu | what do i need to install in order for the mail() function in php to work ? |
| 16:51.33 | Laserl | hark: found the way, dpkg-divert |
| 16:51.38 | pippijn | does anyone here use jackd? |
| 16:51.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: i want to see the dir structure .. not the filesystem fullness |
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| 16:51.55 | luckie | 288M usr |
| 16:52.03 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 16:52.04 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 16:52.07 | xingu | abrotman: coming late into this one but is it the good old "unlink(2) doesn't reclaim until the last fd with the inode open is closed?" jobbie? |
| 16:52.11 | luckie | its mostly in /usr but i thought i did something to move /usr/ to /mnt/ |
| 16:52.15 | enouf | xingu: obviously they are working on .19, and even .20 stuff (the debian kernel team, but that's all experimental) .. the Sid one that's available is .18-4 afaik |
| 16:52.27 | jelly-home | glontu: it should work by default, I think |
| 16:52.30 | xingu | enouf: ack that, just updated this morning |
| 16:52.36 | enouf | don't mind me .. my NumLock is puking on itself and not working anymore |
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| 16:53.21 | hark | Laserl: ah yes. nice :) |
| 16:53.22 | luckie | this is running debian on a external HD NAS 400gb |
| 16:53.24 | luckie | Linux LiNuXStaTioN 2.6.19.2-kuroboxHG #9 Fri Jan 12 07:52:20 CET 2007 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 16:53.26 | glontu | it dosn't ; any ideea what logs i can check in order to find out what is happening ? |
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| 16:53.41 | enouf | xingu: my mouse stopped working last night, but a modprobe -r psmouse and mousedev, and subsequent reload fixed it fine :-) .. but the Keyboard NumberPad is still not working at all |
| 16:53.47 | jelly-home | glontu: does sending mail from that machine work at all? |
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| 16:54.03 | enouf | all standard ps2 stuff |
| 16:54.12 | jgw2001 | I have an issue and seek some basic advice or direction......... |
| 16:54.14 | xingu | sounds like it lost sync |
| 16:54.23 | Cuddles_in_K | ok folks, i'm trying to install postfix, but i get this error: Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory |
| 16:54.27 | Cuddles_in_K | any ideas? |
| 16:54.31 | xingu | psmouse in 2.6.16/17 is ropey |
| 16:54.43 | enouf | yeah .. before that the CapsLock button would inflict the inverse functionality of what it was supposed to do |
| 16:54.58 | enouf | Caps lock on == Caps Off .. how weird |
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| 16:55.10 | jgw2001 | I have just purchased a new webcam, I know what module drivers it used, and also have not of the vendor/prodoct id, how can i force the kernel --- |
| 16:55.18 | xingu | is it a usb keyboard on a usb->ps2 converter? |
| 16:55.30 | jgw2001 | module to this hardware |
| 16:55.40 | enouf | xingu: indeed when I modprobe psmouse the rodent came to life once again :-0 |
| 16:55.54 | hark | jgw2001: what's the driver name? |
| 16:55.57 | enouf | xingu: not at all . no fancy chmancy stufff |
| 16:56.07 | xingu | jgw2001: you probably can't, lsusb is the tool to id it (number that matters is vendor and device id |
| 16:56.11 | jgw2001 | stv0680, I have a pencam type camera |
| 16:56.20 | jelly-home | Cuddles_in_K: did you by any chance delete everything from /etc/postfix? |
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| 16:56.40 | jgw2001 | however due to the vendor/product id it cant pick up the cam |
| 16:56.43 | Cuddles_in_K | jelly-home, it's a fresh install |
| 16:56.43 | xingu | jgw2001: if udev isn't autoloading it it's probably not supported by anything in-kernel; update-usbids, but it's a bit of a hail mary. |
| 16:57.07 | Daveman | Hi abrotman |
| 16:57.08 | xingu | jgw2001: if you google for the vendor/product id you might turn up an out-of-tree driver |
| 16:57.09 | enouf | xingu: but the kyboard controller is built into the mobo afaik and static in the kernel IINM .. so I can't reload it .. been looking at loadkeys, dumpkeys, keymap and such .. but not making much progress |
| 16:57.25 | enouf | basically i said bahhh , F it :-p |
| 16:57.30 | enouf | for now |
| 16:57.31 | h3sp4wn | jgw2001: You could possibly add them to the driver (I had to so I could get a usb -> serial phone cable to work) |
| 16:57.32 | jelly-home | Cuddles_in_K: hm. Did it install without any problems? |
| 16:57.50 | enouf | something like serio/atkbd or somesuch |
| 16:57.51 | xingu | enouf: *nod* I think it supports classic sleep states if you're brave, you can s3/s4 and resume it... |
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| 16:57.58 | Cuddles_in_K | jelly-home, no. i keep getting that same error during the install |
| 16:58.05 | xingu | enouf: obviously, do this over a network login |
| 16:58.16 | jgw2001 | h3sp4wn, that what I tried, entered the vendor/product id into the driver it self, |
| 16:58.19 | quintin | if almost every inode on a disk has problems |
| 16:58.21 | quintin | is this bad ??? |
| 16:58.26 | bamzin | hi! how do I start the graphic mode on my debian? |
| 16:58.28 | quintin | smartctl sez the drive is healthy :-S |
| 16:58.31 | jgw2001 | however have issues compiling the kernel.... thats another problem |
| 16:58.38 | jelly-home | Cuddles_in_K: pastebin the whole output of apt-get -f install |
| 16:58.39 | quintin | bamzin: gdm ? |
| 16:58.40 | glontu | jelly-home : when i try to sendmail from my bash command line i get an exim4 message saying that exim4 is not usually called from the command line ; How can i send a test mail from my command line ? |
| 16:58.50 | enouf | xingu: hehe .. I'm one of those Pioneer types :-) .. |
| 16:58.55 | quintin | glontu: apt-get install sendEmail |
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| 16:59.08 | enouf | if it don't do what I want .. I beat it till it does :-) |
| 16:59.11 | jelly-home | quintin: what? |
| 16:59.25 | enouf | xingu: it's older hw .. so .. no biggy .. thanks though |
| 16:59.38 | abrotman | Daveman: hey |
| 16:59.44 | jelly-home | quintin: Debian doesn't have package names with uppercase letters |
| 16:59.52 | jgw2001 | So there is no way in linux to (force) assign a module to a device |
| 16:59.53 | unlink | how do i get grub to boot from a kernel on a usb flash disk? |
| 16:59.55 | Daveman | abrotman, how goes it? |
| 16:59.56 | pippijn | does anyone here use jackd? |
| 16:59.59 | abrotman | it's cold!!! |
| 17:00.37 | enouf | !bankey abrotman |
| 17:00.47 | jelly-home | glontu: something like echo test | mailx -s "test subject" recipient@emai.l |
| 17:00.55 | abrotman | !fruitsmite enouf |
| 17:00.59 | Cuddles_in_K | jelly-home, http://pastebin.ca/338677 |
| 17:01.06 | Neeesat25 | I am using kernel 2.6.19.2 do I have to patch it to use bootsplash? |
| 17:01.16 | abrotman | ask #kernel ... |
| 17:01.20 | Neeesat25 | Ah ok |
| 17:01.21 | bamzin | quintin: it says 'gdm command not found' |
| 17:02.51 | quintin | bamzin: apt-get install gdm then. |
| 17:02.54 | abrotman | aptitude install gdm |
| 17:03.25 | xingu | enouf: /sys/module/{psmouse,serio}/parameters/... <= some magics possible in there. |
| 17:03.37 | jelly-home | Cuddles_in_K: I'd suggest purging and reinstalling it. This is a package from unstable which I have little experience with. File a bug report. |
| 17:03.41 | bamzin | quintin, okay, another problem. debian didn't find my laptop's ethernet chipset. what to do? :P |
| 17:04.02 | Cuddles_in_K | jelly-home, and how do i purge it? |
| 17:04.03 | enouf | xingu: ok .. me looks there .. thanks .. I have the .18 /Documentation right in front of me too .. |
| 17:04.17 | quintin | bamzin: have you installed the drivers for it? what is the chipset? |
| 17:04.46 | adrakoa | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=emacs-snapshot;dist=unstable |
| 17:04.47 | quintin | is running e2fsck -y an ok thing ? |
| 17:05.10 | adrakoa | do you see this site well? |
| 17:05.16 | enouf | xingu: just can't help think .. wtf caused this shite? .. visiting a corrupt ms unknowledge base site .. never occured before, liek this anyway |
| 17:05.19 | jelly-home | Cuddles_in_K: aptitude purge foo or apt-get --purge remove foo or dpkg -P foo. You really shouldn't use unstable with your level of Debian expertise. |
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| 17:05.33 | bamzin | quintin, typing 'lspci' it returns: 'Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd.: Unknown device 4352 (rev 14).' how do I install a driver? |
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| 17:05.40 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 17:05.57 | quintin | bamzin: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdrive3/book/index.csp |
| 17:06.07 | quintin | bamzin: marvell? wtf? lame. :P look on google |
| 17:06.21 | xingu | enouf: no idea, but there was a huge input layer checkin in 2.6.18 afaik. |
| 17:06.30 | bamzin | quintin, yes.. marvell, weird uh O.o heheh thanks anyway |
| 17:06.41 | xingu | enouf: for mouse - switch proto will reset the driver state machine |
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| 17:08.53 | xingu | enouf: for kb might be a bit trickier |
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| 17:13.13 | enouf | well .. last night I got the mouse working right away quickly (thank goodness), and dmesg attests to the loading (tail end) .. but I can't help but wonder about soem kde funkiness combined with my perl-based irc client, and bootable CD in the drive, and whatever else .. I even flushed my swap partition using swapoff/on .. but I know it's one of those 'twilight zone' incidents .. been up now for--> 12:04:01 up 26 days, 23:08, 1 user, load |
| 17:13.14 | enouf | average: 0.45, 0.27, 0.21 (which ain't a lot), but I've put quite a load ontpo this Bessy in that time :-) |
| 17:14.10 | xingu | check to see if the clock is slewing |
| 17:14.26 | xingu | ie, time of day being differently wrong as a function of uptime |
| 17:14.35 | enouf | bootable cd crap is hal/dbus crap related .. many errors flooding dmesg .. and things like hwinfo, lshw, etc alwatys ant to try and scan it as well, even when inquiring about other specific hardware only (piping to grep) |
| 17:16.43 | adrakoa | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5257. |
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| 17:16.59 | enouf | xingu: time of day is correct, just that it did slew about a month off accidentally some few days ago, but that was likely a function of the priority/interrupts/etc as I was viewing the date/clock settings only(from the systray applet type thing). it's a non-issue don't your fret :-) I blew out my other keyboard when it locked up and I had sarge installed some 6-8 months ago, and got a bit violent with it all :-) |
| 17:17.06 | xingu | enouf: my initial guess would be a soft fault; buggy acpi, buggy apic; I'd be looking for other matching quirks, like slewing clock, unexpected nmi's, etc. |
| 17:17.29 | enouf | xingu: indeed .. no worries .. thanks for your time and support :-) |
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| 17:18.36 | enouf | azeem: so ms-sys did the trick? |
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| 17:20.01 | adrakoa | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5258. |
| 17:20.14 | adrakoa | with the pakage version |
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| 17:26.17 | xingu | luckie: just out of interest what is that thing? |
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| 17:26.50 | luckie | a buffalo linkstation 400gb |
| 17:26.55 | luckie | network storage drive |
| 17:27.02 | luckie | running debian |
| 17:27.13 | xingu | ta |
| 17:27.24 | luckie | i need to free up some space |
| 17:27.33 | abrotman | !deborphan |
| 17:27.33 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
| 17:28.07 | luckie | i dont think i have enough freespace to even install it |
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| 17:28.42 | abrotman | luckie: so uninstall something else to make room .. or delete some large file you don't need |
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| 17:30.26 | luckie | LiNuXStaTioN:~# deborphan |
| 17:30.26 | luckie | libperl5.8 |
| 17:30.29 | luckie | ? |
| 17:31.27 | abrotman | only one ? |
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| 17:33.00 | xingu | I'm tempted to buy a pair of those things and build an aoe/lvm mirror set |
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| 17:33.58 | luckie | yeh |
| 17:34.00 | luckie | only one |
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| 17:36.30 | luckie | i free'd 7mb |
| 17:36.32 | luckie | heh. |
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| 17:37.26 | abrotman | man deborphan |
| 17:37.41 | christopherl | I got an incompatible extension error, when I try to install the extension for 1.0-2.0 to a 2.0.01. Is there someway to get around this, because I think it's going to work. |
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| 17:37.57 | kingsley | Is it reasonable to expect that backups made by rsync -a and rdiff-backup, which uses rsync, shouldn't change data? |
| 17:38.54 | nitro4ce | kingsley: no |
| 17:39.35 | kingsley | nitro4ce: Why? |
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| 17:40.20 | nitro4ce | kingsley: well, depends. |
| 17:40.35 | nitro4ce | kingsley: if u use it correctly, no data should be changed. |
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| 17:41.48 | christopherl | Is there any program out there, that checks my webmail and tells me when new mails arrive? |
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| 17:43.36 | karsten | christopherl: Several. |
| 17:43.49 | nitro4ce | can anyone add Code::Blocks to the debian repo? it is a lightweight C++ ide. http://codeblocks.org/ |
| 17:43.51 | karsten | christopherl: ... they'll even fetch it for you. Eg: yahoo, gmail services. |
| 17:43.59 | karsten | !tell christopherl about search |
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| 17:44.13 | nitro4ce | !tell me about search |
| 17:44.23 | karsten | nitro4ce: /msg bots please. |
| 17:44.27 | karsten | !tell nitro4ce about self tell |
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| 17:44.50 | karsten | !tell nitro4ce about selftell |
| 17:45.12 | nitro4ce | karsten: can anyone add Code::Blocks to the debian repo? it is a lightweight C++ ide. http://codeblocks.org/ |
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| 17:46.09 | christopherl | !tell christopherl |
| 17:46.09 | karsten | nitro4ce: You can file a wishlist request to package (not sure that's the proper term). |
| 17:46.42 | karsten | christopherl: /msg the bots. |
| 17:47.02 | nitro4ce | karsten: where? |
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| 17:47.09 | christopherl | ok |
| 17:48.07 | karsten | nitro4ce: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ |
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| 17:48.23 | nitro4ce | karsten: ok. thank you. |
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| 17:49.50 | karsten | !good morning |
| 17:49.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, good morning is the only good morning is a dead morning. |
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| 17:50.57 | magyar | why do i need to run alsaconf every reboot on sid to get sound working on kde? |
| 17:51.28 | azeem | enouf: yes |
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| 17:52.14 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 17:52.14 | karsten | magyar: Um, have you configured alsa to save settings? |
| 17:52.14 | karsten | !sledgehammer |
| 17:52.14 | dpkg | somebody said sledgehammer was You could have a steam train / If you'd just lay down your tracks / You could have an aeroplane flying / If you bring your blue sky back. |
| 17:52.37 | jelly-home | Hi, after rebooting with 2.6.18-4-686 my trackpoint and -pad don't work. /dev/input/mice exists, psmouse is loaded, but there's no mention of the devices in dmesg. |
| 17:52.59 | karsten | jelly-home: BIOS settings? |
| 17:53.01 | magyar | karsten: how do i do that? |
| 17:53.19 | karsten | magyar: erm, not sure, possibly dpkg-reconfigure ? |
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| 17:53.29 | jelly-home | karsten: haven't touched them... Just rebooted to 2.6.18-4-686 instead of the previous 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 17:53.53 | karmatronic | magyar, alsaconf |
| 17:54.34 | magyar | karmatronic: i do that, the next reboot no sound again, so i run alsaconf again |
| 17:55.05 | karmatronic | magyar, whats your problem exactly ? |
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| 17:55.25 | olskolirc | ? |
| 17:55.26 | piper69 | i am using a text-mode irssi, is there is a gui version |
| 17:55.35 | olskolirc | c |
| 17:55.35 | olskolirc | ? |
| 17:55.56 | karmatronic | olskolirc, xchat |
| 17:55.57 | magyar | karmatronic: i need to run alsaconf every reboot on sid to get sound working on kde |
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| 17:56.07 | olskolirc | what about xchat karmatronic |
| 17:56.32 | xingu | jelly-home: what's /proc/cmdline? |
| 17:56.36 | karsten | piper69: Yes. Run it in a terminal ;-) |
| 17:56.42 | karmatronic | olskolirc, it s cool |
| 17:56.52 | olskolirc | can someone tell me how to get beryl on debian stable? |
| 17:56.56 | karsten | jelly-home: NFC, sorry. Check device / udev settings. |
| 17:57.08 | olskolirc | SpamBlocker: Message from dpkg blocked. |
| 17:57.10 | olskolirc | dammit |
| 17:57.16 | piper69 | karsten: hahahhaahah that is what i am doing now |
| 17:57.30 | karsten | piper69: You win ;-) |
| 17:57.42 | karmatronic | magyar, you know your sound module ? |
| 17:57.49 | karsten | piper69: IMO irssi (textmode) rawks harder than anything else. Run in screen FTW. |
| 17:58.07 | clever | karsten: im in irssi and screen |
| 17:58.18 | karmatronic | so am i |
| 17:58.22 | jelly-home | xingu: root=... ro vga=0x369 video=intelfb resume=... combined.mode=libata libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
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| 17:58.28 | magyar | karmatronic: snd_emu10k1 |
| 17:58.36 | jelly-home | xingu: unchanged from 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 17:58.38 | karmatronic | magyar, sure? |
| 17:58.43 | clever | i have buttons on my gnome toolbar to run xterm -e ssh -t otherboxip screen -x |
| 17:58.57 | clever | which opens an xterm ssh's to another box and attaches to screen |
| 17:59.08 | karmatronic | magyar, several sound cards maybe ? |
| 17:59.13 | abrotman | olskolirc: backports.org perhaps |
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| 17:59.23 | xingu | jelly-home: any psmouse options in /proc/cmdline or modprobe.d/ or wherever? |
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| 17:59.32 | jelly-home | xingu: nope |
| 18:00.12 | xingu | jelly-home: dmesg | fgrep input ? |
| 18:00.18 | cahoot | magyar: you have alsa-utils installed? |
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| 18:00.42 | olskolirc | do i need xorg to have beryl abrotman? |
| 18:00.48 | abrotman | uhm .. yeah |
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| 18:01.04 | jelly-home | xingu: hmm |
| 18:01.12 | abrotman | olskolirc: i don't see it there |
| 18:01.21 | luckie | abrotman |
| 18:01.27 | abrotman | luckie |
| 18:01.29 | luckie | is there something i can use to compare dirs |
| 18:01.33 | olskolirc | you don't see what where? |
| 18:01.35 | abrotman | compare for what ? |
| 18:01.37 | luckie | to see what folders are different |
| 18:01.40 | abrotman | olskolirc: beryl at backports.org |
| 18:01.46 | olskolirc | oh |
| 18:01.47 | abrotman | !tell olskolirc about simple sid backport |
| 18:01.47 | luckie | kinda tryin to sync them |
| 18:02.00 | olskolirc | i can't get it anyway i see, im on debian stable |
| 18:02.01 | luckie | but i want to view the diff |
| 18:02.02 | abrotman | rsync doesn't work ? |
| 18:02.05 | olskolirc | what can't i msg dpkg |
| 18:02.09 | abrotman | luckie: cmp i think |
| 18:02.25 | jelly-home | xingu: ah, the touchpad is there (but on a different device than one in my xorg.conf), only the trackpoint is missing. I have switch to a console based irc client to paste... |
| 18:02.27 | magyar | cahoot: yes |
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| 18:02.55 | olskolirc | any news about the stable version of etch release |
| 18:03.02 | abrotman | !wir |
| 18:03.03 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:03.10 | cahoot | magyar: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base unless already done so |
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| 18:03.56 | olskolirc | i can get xorg on here just get it from back ports abrotman? |
| 18:04.03 | olskolirc | i tried it before and wound up reinstalling |
| 18:04.11 | luckie | does cmp do dirs ? |
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| 18:04.29 | krins | hai |
| 18:04.30 | krins | all |
| 18:04.57 | abrotman | olskolirc: follow the instructions this time |
| 18:05.00 | abrotman | luckie: i think so ... |
| 18:05.03 | olskolirc | k :-( |
| 18:05.19 | olskolirc | someone give me the backport repository |
| 18:05.24 | xingu | jelly-home: anything under sys/devices/plaform/i8042/serio0/serio2/ ? |
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| 18:05.32 | abrotman | luckie: nope .. let me find it |
| 18:05.58 | abrotman | luckie: it's diff |
| 18:06.16 | karmatronic | diff -r <dir1> <dir2> |
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| 18:07.50 | xingu | jelly-home: anything under sys/devices/plaform/i8042/serio0/serio2/ ? |
| 18:09.16 | jelly-home | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:09.42 | xingu | jelly-home: they're the knobs for the trackpoint so I read |
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| 18:10.29 | jelly-home | xingu: description says "Synaptics pass-through" which might be correct |
| 18:11.02 | xingu | jelly-home: how many mice have you got under /dev/input/ ? |
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| 18:12.19 | jelly-home | xingu: only one. |
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| 18:13.12 | Gecko | Hey there. Has anyone got experience with a multi-users system, where each user's mail is delivered in Maildirs and you are applying quotas to the file system? Because I see a litle problem here, as each user can actually fill his file system up, and therefore not getting any mail. I don't want to go back to spool delivery. Any ideas? |
| 18:13.23 | jelly-home | xingu: that's the touchpad I think. |
| 18:14.01 | jelly-home | xingu: on 2.6.18-3-686, I got "input: TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint as /class/input/input3" ... which is now missing. |
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| 18:15.31 | jelly-home | xingu: funny thing is it would appear maybe 20-25 lines after the synaptics touchpad showed up in the log, maybe it used some other driver |
| 18:15.31 | twobitsprite | so... is the debian installer for dspam smart enough to set itself up has the LDA? |
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| 18:16.13 | xingu | jelly-home: "psmouse" |
| 18:16.28 | xingu | jelly-home: staticaly linked in, according to Kbuild |
| 18:16.42 | xingu | jelly-home: is psmouse loaded? I think you said it was |
| 18:17.28 | jelly-home | xingu: it is. |
| 18:19.07 | xingu | jelly-home: try adding proto=imps to psmouse module options? |
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| 18:20.25 | xingu | jelly-home: trackpoint detection is only done at proto >IMEX; actually you'll need "proto=any" |
| 18:20.56 | jelly-home | xingu: funny. both trackpoint and touchpad work after reloading with proto=imps |
| 18:21.04 | xingu | damn I'm good. :) |
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| 18:21.21 | xingu | try with =any, that should be the correct parm. |
| 18:21.26 | jelly-home | xingu: still, no mention of trackpoint in dmesg |
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| 18:21.50 | Mtraker | nas |
| 18:21.55 | Mtraker | sorry |
| 18:21.59 | Mtraker | hi |
| 18:22.07 | jelly-home | xingu: yes, proto=any did the right thing |
| 18:22.19 | xingu | including the message? |
| 18:22.53 | jelly-home | xingu: (yes) apparently trackpoint detection is done a bit later |
| 18:23.14 | xingu | jelly-home: psmouse/proto has been a total pita; for >IMEX, the probe alone can lock up some controllers and some kvm's |
| 18:23.19 | jelly-home | xingu: I've got the impression it got detected only when |
| 18:23.32 | xingu | jelly-home: on some designs the i8042 is /entirely/ software emulated |
| 18:23.33 | jelly-home | xingu: ... I tried to use it |
| 18:24.15 | jelly-home | xingu: gross... I guess that's why the default is to be safe and not do proto=any? |
| 18:24.22 | xingu | ... yes. |
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| 18:24.37 | jelly-home | !beer xingu |
| 18:25.05 | xingu | jelly-home: and yes, it's changed in late 2.6.{16,17,18}-stable - there was a big input layer checkin, and then a lot of gnarly faults started showing up... |
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| 18:25.48 | xingu | jelly-home: and yes, it's changed in late 2.6.{16,17,18}-stable - there was a big input layer checkin, and then a lot of gnarly faults started showing up... |
| 18:25.57 | xingu | that'll learn me |
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| 18:26.40 | IC__ | how to set the time on linux -5 minutes? |
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| 18:27.00 | xingu | IC__: from memory, date understands "now" |
| 18:27.04 | karsten | IC__: date |
| 18:27.11 | IC__ | i need to move date -5 minutes back |
| 18:27.12 | karsten | IC__: date -d "now + 5 minutes" |
| 18:27.27 | karsten | IC__: ... or date -d "$( date ) - 5 minutes" |
| 18:27.38 | karsten | IC__: .... and why aren't you using ntpd or ntpdate? |
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| 18:27.59 | kiba | hello |
| 18:28.02 | kiba | 01:31 < Gramlath> btw: in the American revolution, the colonies were "individualist" and classical liberal |
| 18:28.05 | kiba | 01:31 < Gramlath> versus the corporate (empire-minded) society of England |
| 18:28.07 | kiba | whoops |
| 18:28.10 | kiba | whoops |
| 18:28.12 | kiba | wrong one |
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| 18:28.32 | kiba | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svnroot/dynpet' |
| 18:28.32 | kiba | svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/dynpet': could not connect to server (https://dynpet.sourceforge.net) |
| 18:28.34 | IC__ | ns:/home/rayczadmin/# ntpdate |
| 18:28.34 | IC__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:28.37 | kiba | whoops |
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| 18:29.04 | UgoBoss | good evening.. i need some help :) |
| 18:29.14 | kiba | oh |
| 18:29.15 | kiba | nvm |
| 18:29.28 | karsten | IC__: man ntpdate. pool.ntp.org |
| 18:29.28 | kiba | that is the error I encountered when trying to checkout something |
| 18:29.31 | quintin | I'm getting segfaults when I try to run e2fsck ??? wtf?? help! |
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| 18:29.49 | karsten | quintin: hw failure? |
| 18:29.49 | xtknight | how do I cross compile for a 32bit architecture when on a 64-bit host? |
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| 18:29.58 | quintin | karsten: of what? |
| 18:30.04 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: you can just use linux32 |
| 18:30.06 | kiba | maybe I just have bad luck with sourceforge.net |
| 18:30.25 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: linux32 on which commands? |
| 18:30.47 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: just on "make" i assume. configure and make install as normal? |
| 18:30.48 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: linux32 will setup the enviroment and then whatever command you want to run |
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| 18:31.05 | karsten | quintin: Well, could be pretty much anything. Any other segfaults or oopses? |
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| 18:31.14 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: linux32 ./configure && linux32 make etc |
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| 18:31.49 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: is this different from specifying "--build=BUILD " , "--host=HOST ", "--target=TARGET " on the configure line, or is it just easier? |
| 18:32.00 | boknoy | hell where to download free debian?what website? |
| 18:32.09 | boknoy | a live cd also |
| 18:32.12 | karsten | boknoy: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 18:32.19 | quintin | karsten: nope.. |
| 18:32.21 | karsten | boknoy: "getting debian" |
| 18:32.25 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: Just easier |
| 18:32.27 | boknoy | karsten they allow free cd shipping? |
| 18:32.34 | karsten | boknoy: Via wires. |
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| 18:32.49 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: awesome. just to provide some context, i'm building 32bit firefox on a 64bit system (and im actually going to use the 32bit firefox for flash and what not). does this sound like the best approach? |
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| 18:33.07 | karsten | boknoy: Suggestion: use a netinst or boot floppies for a quick start. |
| 18:33.40 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: You would need to use ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk (and make sure they are in ld.so.conf the locations) |
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| 18:33.55 | boknoy | karsten: i want live cd only sir |
| 18:34.15 | boknoy | karsten; its my first time. im using win98 here in philippines |
| 18:34.37 | karsten | boknoy: knoppix. Possibly Ubuntu, who does ship, but can take their sweet time doing it. |
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| 18:34.53 | karsten | !live cd |
| 18:34.54 | dpkg | live cd is probably http://live.debian.net/ |
| 18:35.03 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: great. that's the kind of info i'm looking for. like how the libs are going to conflict etc...what i need in lib32.. ia32-libs and ia32-libs-gtk provide everything i need? |
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| 18:35.19 | boknoy | thanks |
| 18:35.33 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: I think so you would probably need the -dev packages also |
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| 18:35.57 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: oh, 32bit dev packages right? |
| 18:36.05 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: or are dev packages independent arch anyway? |
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| 18:36.49 | unlink | knoppix works fine. except, it's 32 bit. a very similar kernel--with everything compiled in that knoppix loaded--built for amd64 has ahci sata timeout issues. |
| 18:36.50 | ice_cream | is there a mud channel or similar... having a stupid terminal prob.. |
| 18:37.11 | janttsu | if i need only gnome, do i have to install xorg or is xserver-xorg enough? |
| 18:37.17 | janttsu | i understand it takes less space.. |
| 18:37.21 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: They should be - I dunno whether they have to be tweaked at all though |
| 18:37.45 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: setting LDFLAGS for example |
| 18:37.53 | thomasb | hi, I just burnt Etch dvds. They can be mounted on my desktop and all looks ok. I am installing for a friend. If I try to mount them on his Dell Inspiron 6400 laptop, with DVD/CDRW drive I get the error message "No medium found". Also the dvds were not bootable so I had to use the netinstall cd image to install the base system. Would be gratefull for you tips . |
| 18:38.04 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: yeah i know how to set pkgconfig and what not. shouldnt be much of an issue. have you compiled firefox before, specifically ? |
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| 18:38.30 | xtknight | just wondering if you have any advice on what optimiziations i should use during compile, if any |
| 18:38.38 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: Never compiled firefox |
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| 18:39.05 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: ok. i'll give it a shot then. thanks |
| 18:39.50 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: did you try nspluginwrapper ? that is a pain to compile |
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| 18:40.01 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: is that part of the mozilla package/ |
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| 18:40.18 | xtknight | i'll try .. |
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| 18:40.30 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: No its a wrapper to run 32 bit firefox plygins in a 64 bit firefox |
| 18:40.34 | xtknight | oh? |
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| 18:41.01 | ice_cream | is there a good terminal for muds? i want one that will allow easy choosing of fonts and will not make the commands you're about to type disappear due to game messages.. |
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| 18:41.23 | justin | !tell ice_cream about search |
| 18:41.24 | h3sp4wn | xtknight: But the Makefile assumes that it is to be built on fedora or mandriva |
| 18:41.28 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: well that sounds interesting i'm going to try that instead then. if i get it i'll post debs |
| 18:41.42 | xtknight | i'm ready for a challenge...pumped ;) |
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| 18:41.56 | paolo_ | Hi *. My hard disk had some problems. Now it wouldn't boot and it forces me to fsck /dev/hda4. When I do that, it get stuck at this message "Setting filetype for entry '..' in ??? (445092) to 2."... any solution? |
| 18:42.08 | nn-main | how do i get bzflag to reconize my joysticks buttions ?? it reconizes the acceses but not the buttons. How do i fix this?? |
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| 18:42.27 | justin | paolo_: buy a new hard drive? |
| 18:42.44 | justin | nn-main: axis |
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| 18:43.24 | paolo_ | justin, that is something I didn't think! thanks!! |
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| 18:43.45 | nn-main | how do i fix it it is really weard |
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| 18:45.31 | ice_cream | justin, it's not something that can just be solved with 'search'... i need to know, for example, the term that allows a user to keep typing text, and not have it overrun by game messages (or perhaps a tail -f) |
| 18:46.47 | justin | ice_cream: ffs 'apt-cache search mud' |
| 18:47.00 | ice_cream | ... |
| 18:47.06 | ice_cream | i did, it doesnt help! |
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| 18:47.10 | ice_cream | what's wrong with you |
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| 18:47.18 | justin | ice_cream: then you either didn't fucking do it, or you didn't read the output |
| 18:47.36 | ice_cream | you're not understanding my question, so don't answer it! |
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| 18:48.12 | justin | I understand your question perfectly. if you don't feel like listening to answers, don't ask questions. |
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| 18:49.18 | ice_cream | justin, no, you missed a key pt... i'm not looking for a client, but for a terminal that supports the text-overrun feature, a feature that _can be found in_ muds or tail -f |
| 18:49.54 | justin | 13:40 < ice_cream> is there a good terminal for muds? |
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| 18:50.06 | justin | 13:46 < justin> ice_cream: ffs 'apt-cache search mud' |
| 18:50.09 | ice_cream | _terminal_ != client |
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| 18:50.32 | jelly-home | ice_cream: does something like tintin not do what you want it to? |
| 18:50.43 | ice_cream | tintin needs to be run in a terminal |
| 18:50.50 | justin | ice_cream: so? |
| 18:51.00 | ice_cream | and that terminal is having text problems |
| 18:51.12 | ice_cream | of the nature i described earlier |
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| 18:51.32 | justin | what broken terminal are you using? |
| 18:51.49 | pinks | How do I write a link tag in html that will make firefox open a new tab - not a new window? |
| 18:51.49 | ice_cream | justin, trying konsole atm |
| 18:51.54 | jelly-home | ice_cream: but you type in text below, while the mud output is above... can you post a screenshot of the problem using tintin and your terminal? |
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| 18:52.14 | justin | pinks: you don't |
| 18:52.15 | ice_cream | iirc i got it to work before, i'm not sure what the term is called now |
| 18:52.17 | NiklasH_work | hi, i'm looking for a good package for backing up my root filesystem and uploading it to my box at work. i've looked at a few with apt-cache, but i can't make up my mind. does anyone want to recommend some favourite? |
| 18:52.34 | pinks | justin: :( |
| 18:52.37 | ice_cream | jelly-home, the mud output "floods" my commands |
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| 18:52.52 | justin | pinks: do you mean to ask "How do I make all links open in new tabs instead of new windows?" |
| 18:52.56 | quintin | zomg |
| 18:52.58 | jelly-home | ice_cream: can you use ctrl-l to refresh? |
| 18:53.05 | quintin | fdisk -l no longer works on my drive |
| 18:53.08 | quintin | it should be ext2 |
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| 18:53.10 | quintin | HELPZ |
| 18:53.12 | quintin | MY MUSIC |
| 18:53.15 | quintin | NOOZ |
| 18:53.18 | pinks | justin: no I mean How do I write a link tag in html that will make firefox open a new tab - not a new window? |
| 18:53.25 | jelly-home | !tell quintin about enter |
| 18:53.26 | justin | pinks: you can't |
| 18:53.38 | pinks | Justin: ok thanks |
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| 18:53.59 | quintin | right, but does anyone have anything useful to recommend? |
| 18:54.14 | justin | quintin: a new drive? |
| 18:54.54 | NiklasH_work | quintin: i joined late, but i get that your drive has crashed? |
| 18:54.54 | thomasb | hi, Etch dvds buring with growisofs are not recoginzed by my laptop ("No medium found") though commercial dvds are. Further the same burnt dvds can be mounted on my desktop (sarge) easly . Any ideas why ? |
| 18:55.08 | ice_cream | jelly-home, yes, i guess i could, but do that every time? |
| 18:55.13 | quintin | NiklasH_work: apparentally. smartctl still says "healthy" though |
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| 18:55.37 | justin | ice_cream: try a different mud client |
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| 18:56.07 | deadcat | whats the content management software where the favico is a blue water drop with a H on it? |
| 18:56.19 | _pt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.38 | ice_cream | justin, i've already done too much w/ tintin |
| 18:56.49 | quintin | deadcat: drupal |
| 18:56.55 | deadcat | quintin: any good? |
| 18:56.56 | ice_cream | it's unique in that its commands are not easily portable |
| 18:57.20 | quintin | deadcat: shrug |
| 18:57.26 | NiklasH_work | ok, this is just a tip if all else fails, and i take no responsibility if it nukes your drive totally, but some people say that it can help to seal the drive in a water/airproof container, with as little air as possible in it, and actually put it in the freezer for a few hours, then mount the drive readonly and see if it works just to get the data moved to some other drive |
| 18:57.28 | jelly-home | ice_cream: bts? |
| 18:57.40 | kiba | hi |
| 18:57.52 | kiba | how do you mount a partition? |
| 18:57.53 | NiklasH_work | since i guess you've ran e2fsck and all that on it? |
| 18:57.58 | ofer0 | kiba, man mount |
| 18:58.00 | deadcat | kiba: mount |
| 18:58.06 | ice_cream | jelly-home, bts..? |
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| 18:58.26 | quintin | yes |
| 18:58.28 | jelly-home | ice_cream: bug tracking system, I mean, file a bug report on tintin |
| 18:58.29 | quintin | e2fsck segfaults |
| 18:58.31 | karsten | NiklasH_work: Confirming that that's an option. The main hazard is liquid condensation. Oddly, a risk is when _removing_ the disk from the freezer into a warmer, more humid environment. |
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| 18:58.52 | quintin | and now.. now it doesn't even recognize as e2fs partition ! |
| 18:59.05 | karsten | kiba: /msg dpkg rwvfat / ntfs |
| 18:59.16 | quintin | deadcat: ask #web or #php |
| 18:59.17 | xtknight | is there an easy/recommended way to link g++ to g++ 3.4? i think g++ 4.1 is causing compile problems |
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| 18:59.25 | deadcat | quintin: thanks |
| 18:59.30 | karsten | NiklasH_work: Another issue is sticktion, I've missed the original question. |
| 18:59.30 | ice_cream | jelly-home, well no, i dont think it's tintin's fault at all... terminals should be able to support this feature, and i believe i managed to pull it off in the past |
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| 19:01.00 | jelly-home | ice_cream: terminal emulation can be tricky. If your application assumes xterm/vt100 compatibility and the terminal doesn't have it all, strange things can happen. |
| 19:01.09 | grew | dpkg says for the ati video card driver its fglrx-driver, why doesnt that exist for me? I'm running unstable |
| 19:01.28 | krazykit | grew, iirc, you need the contrib repos |
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| 19:02.12 | grew | i have the contrib repos |
| 19:02.15 | h3sp4wn | grew: non-free it is in |
| 19:02.19 | grew | ahh ok |
| 19:02.28 | krazykit | one of those >_> |
| 19:02.40 | NiklasH_work | karsten, quintin : does the heat stabilize the magnetic particles, or how does it help? |
| 19:02.48 | h3sp4wn | grew: 8.28.8-4 in sid and 8.31.5-1 in experimental |
| 19:03.09 | NiklasH_work | s/heat/cold/ |
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| 19:03.36 | karsten | NiklasH_work: Explanation I've seen is that head flight tolerances are marginal, freezing may help through thermal contraction. |
| 19:03.54 | NiklasH_work | karsten: ah, ok. that actually makes sense |
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| 19:04.12 | karsten | NiklasH_work: Downside is that lubricant breakdown may be exasperated by low temps. |
| 19:04.28 | asulao | hello. asking here, on #fedora and #xen nobody seems to help... |
| 19:04.31 | asulao | hello. starting out with xen on fc5. reading the user manual, and one question arises: I have installed xen rpm. I see there are other xen packages: kernel-xen0 & kernel-xenU. Are these necessary to be installed on host OS to be able to boot a virtual machine? |
| 19:04.33 | ice_cream | jelly-home, could it possibly be a bash issue? |
| 19:04.33 | pipeline | The thing is, by the time you're trying the freezer trick, you've already come up with plans "b" and "c" and you're feeling fucked. |
| 19:04.37 | pipeline | asulao: Install debian. |
| 19:04.40 | karsten | asulao: /msg dpkg not debian |
| 19:04.41 | vlt|home | Hello. I want to run `badblocks` on a non-mounted partition/disk. When running it I get "/dev/hdc is apparently in use by the system", `lsof | grep hdc` returns no match. What could that mean? |
| 19:04.42 | NiklasH_work | karsten: on the other hand, if all you want to do is salvage data, then it should work |
| 19:05.04 | pipeline | vlt|home: Is it, perhaps, used as swap? (swapon -s) |
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| 19:05.33 | karsten | NiklasH_work: Right. Any of these is an emergency measure. Recover your data, trash the disk. |
| 19:05.34 | jelly-home | ice_cream: I don't see how it could be, bash is not the active application |
| 19:05.35 | vlt|home | pipeline: No, there's no data on the disk and it's not used by swapd |
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| 19:05.46 | NiklasH_work | pipeline: yeah, that's why i take no responsibility :) |
| 19:05.54 | karsten | asulao: The FC Xen docs are exceelent, BTW, refer to those. |
| 19:06.09 | paolo_ | Hi *. My hard disk had some problems. Now it wouldn't boot and it forces me to fsck /dev/hda4. When I do that, it get stuck at this message "Setting filetype for entry '..' in ??? (445092) to 2."... any solution? |
| 19:06.09 | vlt|home | pipeline: To be more precise: The disk is full of zeros. |
| 19:06.10 | asulao | where are they? just found user manual |
| 19:06.10 | NiklasH_work | karsten: yep, emergency exit :) |
| 19:06.20 | asulao | karsten: where are they? just found user manual |
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| 19:06.24 | wethiak | !sing abrotman |
| 19:06.24 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 19:06.30 | pipeline | vlt|home: err, if there's no data on the disk, why do you want to mark bad blocks? |
| 19:06.33 | yipe | hi debianers! :D |
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| 19:06.41 | abrotman | yay! |
| 19:06.41 | pipeline | vlt|home: On a modern disk, if there's a non-zero number of bad blocks, you're totally fucked anyway. |
| 19:06.43 | NiklasH_work | !sing debianers |
| 19:06.49 | karsten | asulao: GIYF |
| 19:06.51 | pipeline | vlt|home: The only reason to use badblocks is to get the thing running temporarily to get your data off. |
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| 19:07.03 | asulao | ? |
| 19:07.08 | asulao | karsten: ? |
| 19:07.12 | karsten | !giyf |
| 19:07.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 19:07.14 | pipeline | vlt|home: Modern disks have "spare" sectors, and the drive firmware will reallocate automatically when blocks are, err, "funny" |
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| 19:07.16 | asulao | O_o |
| 19:07.21 | ice_cream | jelly-home, doesnt konsole rely on bash? |
| 19:07.23 | asulao | giyf? what's that? |
| 19:07.26 | NiklasH_work | yaba |
| 19:07.36 | asulao | java? |
| 19:07.37 | jelly-home | ice_cream: no |
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| 19:07.44 | yipe | can someone explain the term "deselect" to me? To me, it sounds like it would be synonymous with un-select, what exactly does this mean in relation to dpkg? |
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| 19:07.55 | asulao | :( |
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| 19:07.57 | karsten | yipe: What you think. |
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| 19:08.01 | asulao | I'm from planet earth! |
| 19:08.02 | NiklasH_work | yet another bloody acronym |
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| 19:08.06 | janttsu | release information of etch.. "Apt downloads small files with update". is these already working or is it coming? |
| 19:08.15 | pickcoder | !deselect |
| 19:08.18 | janttsu | only the differences |
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| 19:08.25 | asulao | !giyf |
| 19:08.26 | dpkg | hmm... giyf is Google Is Your Friend |
| 19:08.32 | asulao | ah ok |
| 19:08.32 | pipeline | NiklasH_work: yaba |
| 19:08.34 | asulao | already tried that |
| 19:08.42 | asulao | searched for FC5 xen and fedora 5 xen |
| 19:08.49 | asulao | just forum messages |
| 19:08.53 | asulao | no fedora docs |
| 19:08.57 | vlt|home | pipeline: I just need the writable sectors of the disk to create a fs where I need to store data to for just 2 hours and then trash that disk. ... Using `badblocks -f` now ... |
| 19:08.58 | jelly-home | ice_cream: you can start an application inside a terminal emulator directly, with no shell at all. Usually with something like xterm -e my_app |
| 19:08.59 | NiklasH_work | pipeline: yet another bloody acronym |
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| 19:09.06 | pipeline | NiklasH_work: yes, YABA |
| 19:09.17 | magyar | is there a way to transfer files through a ssh terminal session? |
| 19:09.19 | NiklasH_work | ah, i thought you were asking :) |
| 19:09.23 | karsten | asulao: Your basic problem is off-topic here. This is #debian. Not #fedora, not #rhel, not #xen. Go to one of those channels and/or use Google. |
| 19:09.28 | pickcoder | deselect is a package selector |
| 19:09.30 | karsten | asulao: Have a nice day, you're /ignored. |
| 19:09.32 | NiklasH_work | magyar: scp |
| 19:09.35 | vlt|home | magyar: You could use scp |
| 19:09.52 | karmatronic | pickcoder, dselect |
| 19:09.53 | magyar | NiklasH_work: while logged in? |
| 19:09.57 | NiklasH_work | magyar: you can do it manually, but it's a lot more cumbersome |
| 19:10.04 | yipe | so, does no one know why it's called deselect instead of something like, I dunno, "select" |
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| 19:10.22 | yipe | was it already selected? why? what's going on today? |
| 19:10.26 | pickcoder | b/c it's for debian? |
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| 19:10.52 | asulao | oh yeah, nice answer... it's like saying "yo! have a nice day asshole!" |
| 19:10.52 | NiklasH_work | magyar: in theory you could while logged in, but not in practice |
| 19:10.56 | yipe | s/today/there, weird slip |
| 19:11.01 | asulao | jesus |
| 19:11.01 | magyar | NiklasH_work: lets say i am logged in to a system somewhere, than i downloaded a file to my system over firefox and i would like to upload it to the system i am logged in |
| 19:11.05 | jelly-home | yipe: what are you exactly talking about? |
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| 19:11.22 | freeone3000 | magyar: scp |
| 19:11.30 | magyar | got it |
| 19:11.50 | yipe | I want to know what the term deselect means, in relation to dpkg |
| 19:11.50 | magyar | lets try it out |
| 19:11.51 | yipe | even just a link to a webpage that explains would be appreciated |
| 19:11.56 | jelly-home | yipe: provide some context. |
| 19:11.56 | karmatronic | yipe, and what does thd in dpkg mean ? |
| 19:11.59 | magyar | thank you NiklasH_work freeone3000 |
| 19:12.04 | NiklasH_work | magyar: scp is your best bet. can't you open another terminal and upload it with that? |
| 19:12.12 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.22 | jelly-home | karmatronic: note that he didn't say "dselect", but deselect |
| 19:12.23 | yipe | I have no clue |
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| 19:12.28 | NiklasH_work | karmatronic: debian, maybe? |
| 19:13.04 | jelly-home | yipe: well, when you're able to provide a context, try asking again |
| 19:13.27 | pickcoder | yipe: it's on packages.debian.org and it's dselect, not deselect |
| 19:13.39 | yipe | when I upgrade, among the terms I see streaming past a mile a minute is "deselect" |
| 19:13.47 | paolo_ | Hi *. My hard disk had some problems. Now it wouldn't boot and it forces me to fsck /dev/hda4. When I do that, it get stuck at this message "Setting filetype for entry '..' in ??? (445092) to 2."... any solution? |
| 19:13.50 | magyar | NiklasH_work: uhh, so i need to open another terminal, i can't just use the existing connection |
| 19:13.55 | jelly-home | yipe: pastebin some of that output. |
| 19:14.12 | karsten | paolo_: Buy a new disk and restore your data onto it from your well-maintained and recently updated backups. |
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| 19:14.20 | NiklasH_work | magyar: if you've got an ssh daemon running on the system you want to copy to, you can use scp on the remote box |
| 19:14.20 | magyar | NiklasH_work: would be kool if i could use a direct upload |
| 19:14.29 | yipe | hm.... I'd have to upgrade again to regenerate it, and I'm afraid I'm all caught up |
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| 19:14.37 | karsten | !backups |
| 19:14.37 | freeone3000 | magyar: You could use netcat. Only no. |
| 19:14.38 | dpkg | I don't need no steenkin backups However, I'm sure at least two other mes in parallel dimensions do, so I'm probably good to go. Hopefully the other mes in the other dimensions aren't counting on me to keep backups. Those idiots. <SlayerXP> there are two types of people in this world, those who take my advice regarding RAID and backups, and those who cry when they lose their data |
| 19:14.51 | magyar | NiklasH_work: from the remote to my system, but my system is behind a firewall |
| 19:15.07 | karmatronic | magyar, are you trying to do ? |
| 19:15.17 | karmatronic | magyar, what are you trying to do ? |
| 19:15.25 | paolo_ | karsten, why do you think that the disk is broken? well-maintained? I really cannot do anything if there was a power shortcut |
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| 19:15.37 | karsten | !lose paolo_ |
| 19:15.37 | dpkg | paolo_: You Lose. |
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| 19:15.55 | NiklasH_work | magyar: on your local system, you could write scp magyar@remote:/path/to/file . |
| 19:16.09 | pickcoder | paolo_: boot with a live CD and try running fsck on the partition |
| 19:16.12 | magyar | karmatronic: i needed to know if there is a possible way to do a file transfer to a system that i am already connected to with ssh from my work system |
| 19:16.17 | NiklasH_work | magyar: then you don't have to worry about the firewall |
| 19:16.26 | karsten | paolo_: Then run diagnostics on the disk. smartmontools is one option. fsck _should_ be able to fix basic filesystem issues. Check /var/log/system or dmesg for any signs of disk errors. And remember, only you can prevent lack of backups. |
| 19:16.33 | paolo_ | pickcoder, I tried that, same problem |
| 19:16.33 | rag3r | hey guys I have a small C program which outputs information to the console, i want it to output it to a file so i do, ./program > output it creates output but its empty and just prints it to the screen. I try > and >> and 2> all don't output it to a file, any ideas? |
| 19:16.34 | pickcoder | magyar: sftp |
| 19:16.38 | jelly-home | yipe: it might be useful to keep logs of upgrades. I sometimes run aptitude upgrade (or dist-upgrade) inside "script". |
| 19:16.41 | freeone3000 | magyar: Use scp. It requires another connection, but since you can use SSH, you can use SCP. |
| 19:16.44 | NiklasH_work | magyar: or am i misunderstanding you? |
| 19:16.51 | magyar | pickcoder: that requires to open another session |
| 19:17.00 | pickcoder | paolo_: then you have major fs corruption |
| 19:17.06 | NiklasH_work | magyar: how is that a problem? |
| 19:17.12 | karmatronic | there s an option when launching ssh which says "use only one socket " |
| 19:17.13 | paolo_ | pickcoder, no solution? |
| 19:17.25 | karmatronic | it s brand new... |
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| 19:17.31 | pickcoder | paolo_: try tar/rsync the partition from live CD to another disk |
| 19:17.40 | pickcoder | you may end up with missing files |
| 19:17.51 | UgoBoss | hello everybody, i've got some audio problems on my old computer |
| 19:17.52 | pickcoder | if mount will even mount it |
| 19:17.55 | karmatronic | PART i ll be back |
| 19:17.59 | vlt|home | pipeline: How would you use `badblocks` to get data from a part. defective disk? |
| 19:18.07 | paolo_ | pickcoder, I don't think that I can mount it.. but let me try |
| 19:18.09 | magyar | NiklasH_work: not really, but i figured there might be a hidden thing that i dont know about and i could just issue a command to download or upload directly over the existing session |
| 19:18.13 | UgoBoss | sound card: ESS-Allegro 1 |
| 19:18.26 | NiklasH_work | magyar: you can, but it's a bit difficult: |
| 19:18.39 | magyar | NiklasH_work: got it |
| 19:18.41 | rag3r | Anyone? |
| 19:18.50 | xingu | some drive firmware only does block sparing while handling a format command |
| 19:18.51 | pickcoder | magyar: sftp is an ssh subservice |
| 19:18.56 | UgoBoss | with DSL it works fine, but after i installed debian it doesn't work |
| 19:19.04 | pickcoder | you can launch it from an existing connection |
| 19:19.08 | xingu | for regular read/write/seek iops, it errors instead. |
| 19:19.09 | magyar | pickcoder: that requires another session to be opened |
| 19:19.16 | UgoBoss | is there a way to install drivers with APT? |
| 19:19.19 | freeone3000 | pickcoder: And again, why is this a problem? |
| 19:19.22 | NiklasH_work | magyar: what scp does is start a regular ssh session, issue 'scp -t -r', write the size of the file, then stream the file |
| 19:19.27 | freeone3000 | UgoBoss: Yep, same way you install everything else. |
| 19:19.30 | pickcoder | ? |
| 19:19.30 | maheem | hi 2 all. people who use non latin locale in 'etch'? cyrillic ex |
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| 19:19.40 | NiklasH_work | magyar: you could try to do that yourself, but i don't think it's very easy :) |
| 19:19.42 | freeone3000 | magyar: And why is this a problem? |
| 19:19.45 | freeone3000 | pickcoder: Sorry. |
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| 19:20.09 | magyar | freeone3000: waist of time, to open another session |
| 19:20.28 | pickcoder | UgoBoss: if the driver is not included with the kernel, then search the package library for a source distro |
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| 19:20.33 | freeone3000 | So... doing it the working way is a waste of time... but doing it the non-working way isn't? |
| 19:20.35 | pickcoder | then review module-assistant |
| 19:20.50 | NiklasH_work | magyar: i have to agree with freeone3000 :) |
| 19:20.56 | jelly-home | maheem: I'd bet there are some in #debian-russian |
| 19:21.28 | maheem | thnx jelly-home |
| 19:21.33 | pipeline | vlt|home: I wouldn't bother. I would use dd_rescue and just let it choke on the bad blocks. |
| 19:21.36 | NiklasH_work | try scp -t -p, C0644, enter the file length and file name, and stream the file. not really meant for humans |
| 19:21.50 | pipeline | vlt|home: But in theory, you would use badblocks to mark them bad so that the kernel doesn't even attempt to read them :) |
| 19:21.53 | magyar | NiklasH_work: its all good, just curious thats all, would be sweet if ssh was a bit more than just a remote console |
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| 19:22.28 | rag3r | hey guys I have a small C program which outputs information to the console, i want it to output it to a file so i do, ./program > output it creates output but its empty and just prints it to the screen. I try > and >> and 2> all don't output it to a file, any ideas? |
| 19:22.31 | NiklasH_work | magyar: like i said, you can do it, it's just a bit painful :) |
| 19:22.46 | pickcoder | rag3r: specify file number 1 in your redirect |
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| 19:22.52 | larsl | rag3r: What stream are you writing it to? |
| 19:22.52 | magyar | NiklasH_work: would you agree if a session between two systems is open, why not enable file transfer |
| 19:22.54 | magyar | ? |
| 19:22.57 | pickcoder | > should use file 1 by default, though |
| 19:23.08 | rag3r | pickcoder, what ya mean? |
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| 19:23.11 | rag3r | larsl, what do you mean? |
| 19:23.16 | pickcoder | 1> myfile.dat |
| 19:23.33 | larsl | rag3r: Which stream are you writing to in your program? stdout? stderr? Something else? |
| 19:23.34 | pickcoder | 2 is for stderr output |
| 19:23.40 | jelly-home | magyar: newer ssh versions have same options to use a single connection for multiple streams more easily |
| 19:24.05 | rag3r | stdout |
| 19:24.20 | larsl | jelly-home: Normal SSH tunneling? Or something else? |
| 19:24.25 | larsl | rag3r: Then > should work. |
| 19:24.30 | jelly-home | larsl: yes. |
| 19:24.46 | rag3r | i know it should, but it doesn't. |
| 19:24.49 | NiklasH_work | magyar: maybe, haven't thought of the need |
| 19:24.50 | jelly-home | larsl: also there's a builtin socks proxy |
| 19:25.03 | NiklasH_work | magyar: i'm happy with ssh/scp |
| 19:25.11 | magyar | np |
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| 19:25.24 | larsl | Isn't scp the "old" way of transferring files over SSH? |
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| 19:25.39 | pickcoder | sftp is older |
| 19:25.44 | magyar | jelly-home: how? |
| 19:25.45 | itrebal | does anyone know of a good tutorial on setting up postfix? |
| 19:25.46 | larsl | Oh. |
| 19:25.57 | pickcoder | itrebal: www.postfix.org |
| 19:26.03 | pickcoder | look at the how-to section under documentation |
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| 19:26.50 | itrebal | ok, thanks |
| 19:27.17 | magyar | jelly-home: "man ssh" on newer versions ? |
| 19:27.23 | jelly-home | magyar: one possible way: ssh -R 16000:localhost:16000 remote-server. Then use nc -lp 16000 | tar xfv - on the local machine and tar cf - files | nc -w1 localhost 16000 on the remote |
| 19:27.24 | magyar | i am on sid |
| 19:28.17 | magyar | nice |
| 19:28.29 | jelly-home | magyar: (the port is arbitrary) but note that anyone logged on to the remote server can use your tunnel back to your local machine |
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| 19:28.41 | pickcoder | rag3r: are you flushing stdout after you write? |
| 19:29.20 | jelly-home | magyar: I usually use tar | nc directly over the network |
| 19:29.25 | magyar | jelly-home: so a tunnel is established between the two |
| 19:29.31 | rag3r | no |
| 19:30.16 | jelly-home | magyar: yes. if there is a listener on the local machine, ssh will forward all the connections on remote's localhost:16000 to your machine |
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| 19:31.15 | jelly-home | magyar: there's also local port forwarding and something called "dynamic port forwarding"... the latter one is found only in 4.1+ I think |
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| 19:32.52 | jelly-home | magyar: if you're doing this at work, beware of breaking your firewall/security policies. you can easily enable access to internal network from some outside machine. |
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| 19:33.35 | jelly-home | scp kinda sucks |
| 19:34.02 | Wyzard | scp isn't bad, but on an trusted network like my home LAN, netcat is preferable since it's a bit faster (no crypto overhead) |
| 19:34.22 | jelly-home | Doesn't do hard links, you have to mess with escaping if you use globbing, etc. |
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| 19:34.59 | jelly-home | If I have to copy a tree over ssh, I usually use rsync. |
| 19:35.37 | itrebal | rsync, scp, sftp are my general tools |
| 19:35.52 | IC__ | please help me in php |
| 19:35.57 | IC__ | i need to reset all sessions for user |
| 19:35.58 | IC__ | how ? |
| 19:36.02 | IC__ | reset_sessions() or how ? |
| 19:36.05 | IC__ | all.. |
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| 19:36.36 | jelly-home | !tell IC__ about enter |
| 19:37.06 | jelly-home | IC__: uh, ##php ? |
| 19:37.29 | itrebal | IC__: ask ##php |
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| 19:40.45 | magyar | itrebal: they are all good, but if it could be combined over one session, it will eliminate another login and so forth |
| 19:40.52 | fasta_ | Is there a real time analyzer + visualizer for network traffic? |
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| 19:40.58 | itrebal | yqea |
| 19:41.55 | magyar | itrebal: if a secure session opened, go nats basically |
| 19:42.01 | magyar | nuts |
| 19:42.04 | magyar | nats :) |
| 19:42.12 | fasta_ | itrebal: was that for me? |
| 19:42.59 | itrebal | faked: no, sorry |
| 19:43.06 | jelly-home | magyar: once upon a time there was fsh. |
| 19:43.18 | itrebal | err.. fasta_ |
| 19:43.19 | jelly-home | fsh is a drop-in rsh-compatible replacement for ssh that automatically reuses ssh tunnels. fsh does not aim at full command line compatibility with ssh. |
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| 19:44.49 | jelly-home | magyar: It was written in python and did not work very well. Subversion had problems using it as a tunnel for svn+ssh:// ... but as a proof of concept, it worked. |
| 19:45.00 | tonb | mmm.. what user is used to run exim4 ? |
| 19:45.11 | tonb | i get in ps aux id of user 107 |
| 19:45.12 | tonb | ;) |
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| 19:45.21 | xingu | fasta_: etherape? |
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| 19:45.40 | jelly-home | tonb: uh, me too. It was "Debian-exim" a while ago... |
| 19:45.58 | jelly-home | tonb: with an uppercase D and more than 8 letters. |
| 19:46.12 | jelly-home | ... |
| 19:46.20 | tonb | yea ;) user dissaper |
| 19:46.25 | tonb | bug ? :> |
| 19:46.33 | jelly-home | tonb: guess what, it still is that user, only ps now displays the uid only. |
| 19:46.38 | jelly-home | tonb: Debian-exim:x:116:125::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
| 19:46.45 | magyar | jelly-home: what about kermit? |
| 19:47.18 | tonb | jelly-home propably u don't have it like me in /etc/passwd |
| 19:47.20 | tonb | right ;? |
| 19:47.41 | jelly-home | magyar: SecureCRT, a commercial serial/telnet/ssh client for Windows has support for Zmodem. It works nice |
| 19:48.01 | pickcoder | zmodem is nice, when it works |
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| 19:48.13 | jelly-home | magyar: just type sz foo and it downloads the file, just like in BBS times |
| 19:48.37 | magyar | jelly-home: thats it, zmodem but that is only for windoz |
| 19:49.07 | magyar | kan zmodem be incorporated in konsole? |
| 19:49.11 | magyar | can |
| 19:49.26 | jelly-home | tonb: I have it. |
| 19:50.16 | tonb | ah. i have it tooo. missed it |
| 19:50.27 | jelly-home | magyar: don't think so |
| 19:50.29 | pickcoder | magyar: just use rz on your end |
| 19:50.47 | tonb | i wonder why ps don't display it |
| 19:51.00 | stew | woah, zmodem |
| 19:51.03 | pickcoder | or look at zssh |
| 19:51.09 | jelly-home | tonb: because it can't fit in 8 characters, probably |
| 19:51.23 | magyar | jelly-home: i got it, "zssh" |
| 19:51.25 | xingu | zmodem sux0rz, jmodem rules |
| 19:51.28 | magyar | da bomb |
| 19:51.29 | pickcoder | magyar: install lrzsz |
| 19:51.35 | pickcoder | on both ends |
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| 19:51.50 | pickcoder | stew: I use zmodem daily for our green screen apps |
| 19:51.52 | magyar | sweet |
| 19:51.52 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: you sure weren't lying about nsplugginwrapper being hard to compile lol |
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| 19:52.14 | tonb | hehehe jelly-home u have right |
| 19:52.15 | tonb | ;D |
| 19:52.15 | xtknight | h3sp4wn: time to recompile gcc without stack smashing protection and try again :) |
| 19:52.19 | pickcoder | except sz is b0rked on RH ES |
| 19:52.28 | tonb | i just checked it ;D |
| 19:52.29 | pickcoder | I have to use kermit instead |
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| 19:53.06 | magyar | pickcoder: that is it zssh, nice solution |
| 19:53.06 | vlt|home | pipeline: [20:21] <pipeline> vlt|home: I wouldn't bother. I would use dd_rescue ... |
| 19:53.08 | vlt|home | pipeline: That's what I would do, too. If you use badblocks before dumping the data, then it's badblocks that lets the kernel touch the badblocks first. But -- in theory -- what would you do with badblock's output to tell whatever dump tool you use not to touch the bad blocks? |
| 19:53.12 | jelly-home | pickcoder: you have no access other than serial? |
| 19:53.24 | pickcoder | jelly-home: who said anything about serial |
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| 19:53.54 | pickcoder | zmodem is nice to use in multi-user environments, regardless of connectivity means |
| 19:53.55 | jelly-home | pickcoder: hm, what do green screen apps mean? |
| 19:54.03 | pipeline | vlt|home: ext2 supports bad block lists, IIRC |
| 19:54.13 | pickcoder | green screen == char screen |
| 19:54.17 | pipeline | vlt|home: If you didn't have things like dd_rescue, you would use badblocks to generate the list. |
| 19:54.26 | pickcoder | Wyse60, Adds, etc |
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| 19:55.11 | magyar | pickcoder: it works like a dream |
| 19:57.22 | pickcoder | magyar: nice. I'll have to play with too sometime |
| 19:57.22 | magyar | ctrl-space and rz tz |
| 19:57.28 | vlt|home | pipeline: And can you tell an existing ext[23] fs to mark bad blocks without creating a new one? |
| 19:57.28 | magyar | rz sz i meant |
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| 19:58.56 | magyar | pickcoder: "lrzsz" has to be installed on both systems |
| 19:59.03 | pickcoder | yes |
| 19:59.44 | xingu | the thing is, that sack-capable tcp on ppp does a better job than zmodem over the same transport; higher overhead, yes, but you gain better noise immunity and multiplexing. |
| 19:59.50 | pickcoder | if you want to use standards with a box you can't admin, use scp and a new session |
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| 20:00.33 | pickcoder | the newer scp protocol has far better compression than zmodem |
| 20:00.58 | magyar | pickcoder: but that is only scp, no ssh capabilities |
| 20:01.11 | magyar | this is two in one |
| 20:01.16 | pickcoder | and slower |
| 20:01.20 | pickcoder | but it's a trade-off |
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| 20:01.44 | xingu | well; "slower", assuming cpu resource is infinite |
| 20:01.45 | magyar | well, winsome and loose some |
| 20:01.50 | pickcoder | huge files will take forever with zmodem |
| 20:02.50 | magyar | never tried it, but i will make some comparing over a T3 with 100MB files |
| 20:03.09 | xingu | the real problem with zmodem is that it's layer-challenged; it's trying to be session, application, network, and datalink layer all at the same time |
| 20:03.11 | pickcoder | gigabit to the T3? |
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| 20:03.41 | magyar | nahh, T3 to T3 |
| 20:03.55 | pickcoder | xingu, but you can use zmodem over just about any media |
| 20:04.02 | pickcoder | and protocol |
| 20:04.24 | xingu | yes, and you're a fool to do so |
| 20:04.44 | xingu | if you want state of the art, try a sctp socket. |
| 20:04.45 | pickcoder | magyar: I mean your box... even with a T3, you will be limited by your nic |
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| 20:05.35 | pickcoder | xingu: I must be a huge fool then |
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| 20:06.24 | bigwig | hi |
| 20:06.41 | bigwig | i am trying to install request-tracker3.6 with apache2 mod_perl2 |
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| 20:07.00 | bigwig | i have followed the instructions in NOTE.Debian |
| 20:07.09 | magyar | :) |
| 20:07.31 | bigwig | and when i open up a browser and go to https://my.site/rt, i get nothing |
| 20:07.43 | eMish__ | In sources.list, is 'deb URL edgy main restricted\ndeb URL edgy main universe' same as 'deb URL edgy main restricted universe' ? |
| 20:08.00 | bigwig | exactly, i get HTTP 200 OK and an empty page |
| 20:08.00 | ToxicSun | what environments do you guys use? |
| 20:08.51 | bigwig | please help |
| 20:09.12 | jelly-home | eMish__: It's a question for #ubuntu |
| 20:09.17 | krazykit | eMish__, /join #ubuntu |
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| 20:09.23 | magyar | xingu: apt-ache search sctp : not found |
| 20:09.33 | jelly-home | eMish__: but in general, yes |
| 20:09.42 | xingu | magyar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_Control_Transmission_Protocol |
| 20:10.12 | jelly-home | xingu: load balancing or failover? |
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| 20:10.44 | shining | hello |
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| 20:11.02 | shining | what happens when you manually delete files installed from a package? |
| 20:11.15 | karsten | shining: They're no longer there. |
| 20:11.20 | karsten | shining: Next question? |
| 20:11.22 | dondelelcaro | shining: nothing in particular; the package may stop working though. |
| 20:11.23 | shining | and can you restore them? |
| 20:11.29 | dondelelcaro | shining: yes |
| 20:11.34 | karsten | shining: ... then they're there. |
| 20:11.40 | karsten | shining: Any _smart_ questions? |
| 20:11.42 | xingu | jelly-home: that would be usage dependant; if you're talking sctp - probably both paths would be hot. |
| 20:11.45 | carterparks | how do i remove apache2 from startup? |
| 20:11.53 | magyar | xingu: is there a client that uses sctp for ssh and file transfer |
| 20:11.54 | magyar | ? |
| 20:11.56 | shining | dondelelcaro: how? |
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| 20:12.07 | ofer0 | carterparks, update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 20:12.14 | carterparks | thank you very mucuh |
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| 20:12.18 | dondelelcaro | shining: with aptitude reinstall foopkg; or similar. |
| 20:12.23 | ofer0 | carterparks, no, thank you. |
| 20:12.25 | karsten | shining: You can reinstall the package, which should then restore any files deleted from the package. |
| 20:12.29 | xingu | magyar: lksctp-tools: withsctp - in sid |
| 20:12.44 | shining | karsten: does this work in every case? |
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| 20:13.00 | karsten | shining: I you've deleted modified files (config files, database files, etc.), you'll naturally be missing any of the changes you've made. |
| 20:13.11 | ks | can you suggest good tutorial on user mode linux under debian ? |
| 20:13.13 | krazykit | shining, this sounds like you did something majorly bad to your system... |
| 20:13.21 | karsten | shining: Well, you'd have a much better estimate of that answer if you simply attempted the process, no? |
| 20:14.29 | shining | I don't know, I think I had a problem once, but I can't remember exactly. I couldn't restore a file by just reinstalling the package |
| 20:14.57 | shining | don't remember if it was config files or not |
| 20:15.00 | karsten | shining: aptitude --reinstall install <package> |
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| 20:15.37 | karsten | shining: If you've got a specific problem, try that, report any specific issues you've got. If this is just "what ifs", it's getting awfully hypothetical form my tastes. |
| 20:16.04 | magyar | xingu: thats a bit over my head, they are devel tools for kernel and sctp protocol |
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| 20:16.14 | xingu | yes. :) |
| 20:16.18 | unlink | how do i upgrade my system from i386 to amd64? |
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| 20:17.21 | _max_ | im having trouble getting sshfs working under debian 3.1 stable, i do apt-get install sshfs and then do the normal mount (that works on ubuntu), under debian stable i get; ls: /mnt: Connection refused |
| 20:17.23 | abrotman | you don't even have a hat! |
| 20:17.24 | magyar | no hat |
| 20:17.35 | magyar | abrotman: roger :) |
| 20:17.40 | _max_ | documentation on sshfs website is less than poor, anyone else have this issue and actually resolved it ? |
| 20:18.03 | jelly-home | _max_: debian stable? |
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| 20:18.23 | magyar | xingu: is there an app? |
| 20:19.20 | _max_ | jelly-home: debian stable 3.1 |
| 20:19.28 | jelly-home | _max_: which kernel / sshfs version are you running? |
| 20:19.40 | Eclipser | I supposed my hair and beard suffices to make me a coder |
| 20:19.47 | Eclipser | but I really would like a wizard hat :< |
| 20:19.53 | Eclipser | or magician hat |
| 20:20.01 | _max_ | everything from 2.6.15 to 2.6.19 and using the sshfs 1.1 that comes with stable respitories. |
| 20:20.27 | jelly-home | _max_: ah, that's too old. you'll have to backport newer fuse and sshfs userspace |
| 20:20.29 | _max_ | tried compiling 1.6 but that needs glib2.0 or greated and thats not available in stable. |
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| 20:20.42 | xingu | my habit of going to lunch of a friday and not coming back makes me a sysadmin :) |
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| 20:21.12 | _max_ | jelly-home happen to have a url with a good howto ? |
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| 20:21.26 | jelly-home | _max_: that one build dependency can be ignored I think... I've built it for i386 sarge without much problems |
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| 20:21.47 | jelly-home | _max_: hmm. /msg dpkg backports , /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:22.17 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 20:22.23 | jelly-home | _max_: if you trust strangers on irc and use i386, I can give you binaries |
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| 20:23.04 | xingu | magyar: the gist of what I'm getting at is that the requirement is odd, from my perspective; you're trying to force a peer to peer flow through the application layer when you have a perfectly functional ip stack on all hosts concerned |
| 20:23.06 | Aubustou_ | !webmin |
| 20:23.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 20:24.21 | xingu | magyar: of course its possible to do it, and probably the least gross approach is port forwarding http; but it's still least worst - why not just route the traffic? |
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| 20:25.50 | _max_ | jelly-home ; i added the backports, downloaded sshfs 1.6-0, still get the same error =( |
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| 20:26.05 | _max_ | using fuse from 2.6.19.2 |
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| 20:26.32 | lepine_h | hey guys, i installed mysql 5 from sarge-backports ... and of course php is complaining that it can't connect ... |
| 20:26.35 | karsten | What's that technical drawing program, Windows tool knockoff? Visio-like.... |
| 20:26.38 | shining | karsten: sorry, for not being specific, it's a friend who made this error, deleting some eclipse files. he reinstalled all eclipse-* packages, but it didn't work. |
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| 20:26.48 | shining | karsten: was just missing libswt.. solved now |
| 20:26.54 | karsten | shining: OK |
| 20:26.56 | xingu | karsten: dia? |
| 20:27.02 | lepine_h | which package would supply the needed stuff for php5 to connect to mysql 5 ? |
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| 20:27.07 | karsten | xingu: Bingo |
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| 20:28.12 | karsten | xingu: Trying to suss out apartment floorplans. |
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| 20:28.47 | xingu | you know you're going to end up open plan, no matter what |
| 20:28.51 | jelly-home | _max_: you also need newer fuse-utils and libfuse2 |
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| 20:29.09 | lepine_h | karsten: , dont waste TOO much time ... sometimes using a tool like visio for that kind of thing will have you spend hours ... and you just end up seeing how things go the day you move in :) |
| 20:29.25 | _max_ | just downloaded fuse-source libfuse2 fuse-utils from backports, didn't help either. |
| 20:29.42 | karsten | lepine_h: looking at places, trying to see which of 'em my sh*t will fit into. |
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| 20:29.49 | lepine_h | ah! |
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| 20:30.09 | _max_ | karsten: tried sketchup ? |
| 20:30.11 | lepine_h | then perhaps it's time to get rid of some of that crap then :) |
| 20:30.12 | jelly-home | _max_: which version of fuse? Mine is 2.5.3-4.1, sshfs is at 1.6 too. |
| 20:30.21 | karsten | _max_: Nope |
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| 20:30.38 | _max_ | karsten : you can draw an apartment in ~10 minutes if you know paint :) |
| 20:30.39 | karsten | lepine_h: Yeah, yeah. |
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| 20:30.51 | karsten | _max_: WTF is sketchup? No packages. |
| 20:30.53 | randomity | does anyone have any idea how I can make a tcp connection to the network's broadcast address. Some fool (not me) configured a switch to think it was 192.168.100.255, and I can't connect to it to reconfigure it. |
| 20:30.57 | _max_ | jelly-home well things is i dont have "fuse" theres only fuser and fusermount |
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| 20:31.14 | jelly-home | _max_: I mean dpkg -l \*fuse\*|grep ^.i |
| 20:31.15 | karsten | randomity: Define a larger network. |
| 20:31.16 | _max_ | fuser = 25.1 |
| 20:31.25 | _max_ | karsten, youle have to use wine, its a winapp |
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| 20:31.39 | xingu | randomity: change your netmask to /23 |
| 20:31.43 | lepine_h | karsten: i know it hurts, but getting rid of so many <5gb HD's old p3 and - mobos, palm pilot crap ... you just feel better after ... |
| 20:31.45 | d00d | I'm having probs with berly, i installed it updated xorg.conf but it wont change theme |
| 20:31.47 | randomity | karsten, xingu, thanks |
| 20:31.52 | xingu | randomity: if the host stack is that broken, it might just work... |
| 20:31.53 | karsten | randomity: There's nothing magic about 255. You may have to disable other devices which are going to respond to what *they* see as broadcast packets. |
| 20:32.06 | randomity | btw, when I do that, do I lose currently existing tcp connections? |
| 20:32.08 | karsten | lepine_h: That's largely not the problem. |
| 20:32.14 | lepine_h | oh |
| 20:32.22 | karsten | lepine_h: Body parts ;-) |
| 20:32.26 | randomity | I'm logged in via ssh, so I kinda want to keep the network up ;-) |
| 20:32.26 | lepine_h | well, forgive me for my misplaced advice |
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| 20:32.36 | lepine_h | haha |
| 20:32.44 | randomity | or should I just wait until I get physical access again (monday) |
| 20:32.52 | karsten | _max_: Ah: google thing. |
| 20:32.59 | xingu | randomity: then don't do it, get someone to power cycle it |
| 20:33.03 | _max_ | fuse-source is 2.5.3 libfuse is 2.2.1-4 |
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| 20:33.27 | karsten | randomity: Yeah, I'd think a local approach might be preferred here. And make sure it doesn't happen again. |
| 20:33.41 | randomity | ok, thanks |
| 20:33.46 | jelly-home | _max_: ah, we can't have that can we. Update the latter to match. |
| 20:33.47 | siikah | could someone throw me a bone about what the debian way of handling .xinitrc .xprofile .xsession ? I can't seem to get anyone of these loading. using gdm, might that be the problem? |
| 20:33.59 | abrotman | .xinitrc! |
| 20:34.02 | abrotman | !xinitrc |
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| 20:34.02 | dpkg | i heard xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 20:34.04 | lovingyou | hello |
| 20:34.05 | lovingyou | 2007-02-03 22:33:23 1HDSVf-00037i-Ii Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim4/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=102 egid=102 |
| 20:34.09 | lovingyou | why I get this error ? |
| 20:34.09 | _max_ | jelly-home http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ#Why_do_I_get_Connection_Refused_after_mountingx3f. |
| 20:34.14 | lovingyou | I am logged with root |
| 20:34.39 | siikah | !xprofile |
| 20:34.42 | siikah | :> |
| 20:34.57 | lepine_h | can someone help me out getting php5 to with with backports' mysql 5 ? |
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| 20:35.09 | xingu | no linux port eh |
| 20:35.10 | _max_ | jelly-home : hotdamn! it worked |
| 20:35.18 | raf256 | I wonder... would it be possible |
| 20:35.24 | _max_ | jelly-home : thanks a bunch! |
| 20:35.32 | raf256 | to have KDE, firefox, etc recognise some popular certs, like CaCert, by default? |
| 20:35.55 | jelly-home | _max_: nice |
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| 20:38.04 | lepine_h | which package would provide the necessities for php5 to connect to backports' mysql 5? |
| 20:38.53 | streuner | lepine_h: /msg dpkg backport |
| 20:39.12 | abrotman | php5-mysql |
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| 20:39.51 | streuner | listen to abrotman, i surely misread that |
| 20:40.16 | abrotman | lepine_h: if the php5 in backports is setup for mysql5 |
| 20:40.39 | lepine_h | good point ... uninstalling php and reinstalling from backports |
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| 20:42.21 | vlt|home | Hello. How can I define the order of classes in the output of `tc show ...`? |
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| 20:47.16 | MarcoPau | hello, do you guys know what blue with green highlighting stands for in the shell? blue is for dirs, but how about that green background? thanks |
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| 20:47.52 | cat | MarcoPau: green background is for symlinks |
| 20:47.53 | lepine_h | green text are executable files i believe |
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| 20:48.24 | MarcoPau | lepine_h: it's not the text being green, but the background. the text is blue (directory) |
| 20:48.44 | MarcoPau | cat: I knew symlinks were red with black background |
| 20:48.54 | lepine_h | oh, sorry, thought you meant colorizing in general, with those two individual examples |
| 20:49.13 | cat | right. green is for executable.. |
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| 20:50.00 | jelly-home | MarcoPau: well, can you ls -l the file in question and find out? |
| 20:50.30 | MarcoPau | jelly-home: example: drwxrwxrwx 4 root root 4096 2006-11-19 04:28 security |
| 20:50.39 | MarcoPau | may it be for those full permissions? |
| 20:51.13 | jelly-home | MarcoPau: maybe it's for writable-for-all |
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| 20:51.28 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 20:51.30 | Mazingaro | please |
| 20:51.49 | Mazingaro | is there a way to insert data in a my sql database via a normal browser |
| 20:51.51 | Mazingaro | ? |
| 20:51.56 | _paulfm | hey all... happy saturday |
| 20:52.02 | abrotman | Mazingaro: ask #mysql |
| 20:52.24 | MarcoPau | jelly-home: maybe... isn't there any useful page to correctly interprete those colors and backgrounds? |
| 20:52.25 | _paulfm | what is a good tool for cloning drives... bootable making images etc |
| 20:52.33 | Mazingaro | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:52.34 | _paulfm | I saw something called G4L? |
| 20:52.41 | jelly-home | MarcoPau: aside from the manual, I have no idea |
| 20:53.33 | jelly-home | MarcoPau: info coreutils dircolors isn't very helpful :-| |
| 20:54.51 | d00d_ | I'm having probs with berly, i installed it updated xorg.conf but it wont change theme |
| 20:55.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem: Are you around? |
| 20:55.47 | lepine_h | how can you see a list of all locally isntalled packages? |
| 20:56.00 | lepine_h | is there a diretory like slack's /var/log/packages? |
| 20:56.34 | karsten | lepine_h: dpkg --get-selections |
| 20:56.37 | jelly-home | MarcoPau: it's not hard to figure out what the different options in LS_COLORS (dircolors output) stand for. For example, this might be ow=34;42 (other - write permission) |
| 20:56.56 | karsten | lepine_h: ... or ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v '[^A-Z]' |
| 20:57.31 | karsten | erm: ls /usr/share/doc | grep -v '[A-Z]' |
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| 20:57.55 | lepine_h | ah, cool |
| 20:57.57 | lepine_h | thanks |
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| 20:58.57 | vlt|home | Hello. Is there a way to interrupt a proces with state, as `man ps` calls it, "D Uninterruptible sleep"? |
| 20:59.18 | karsten | Feh. Why would aptitude update hang, eg: 99% [46 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 20:59.19 | xingu | interrupt... uninterruptable... |
| 20:59.20 | jelly-home | vlt|home: heh |
| 20:59.29 | karsten | vlt|home: reboot |
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| 20:59.46 | vlt|home | karsten: ok ;-) |
| 20:59.48 | karsten | vlt|home: ... or sometimes killing the parent. |
| 20:59.54 | xingu | vlt|home: unplug your storage and squeeze the system for memory |
| 20:59.55 | jelly-home | vlt|home: did it try to access stuff via nfs? |
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| 21:00.08 | karsten | vlt|home: Usually that's hung file / IO access, NFS very frequently. |
| 21:00.15 | twobitsprite | why isn't quake 1 in debian? |
| 21:00.20 | twobitsprite | I only see quake2 |
| 21:00.21 | karsten | twobitsprite: nonfree |
| 21:00.26 | abrotman | quake1 isn't GPL iirc |
| 21:00.36 | shining | what? |
| 21:00.37 | karsten | twobitsprite: ...or excuses, or wnpp |
| 21:00.44 | xingu | vlt|home: d state means blocked in a syscall; linux doesn't have restartable syscalls; basically - you're screwed. |
| 21:00.45 | shining | I think they are all gpl |
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| 21:00.49 | shining | and none of the data is |
| 21:00.55 | twobitsprite | hmm id software claims it's GPL... http://www.idsoftware.com/business/techdownloads/ |
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| 21:01.06 | twobitsprite | shining: right |
| 21:01.13 | _paulfm | has anyone here used G4L (Ghost for Linux) |
| 21:01.27 | vlt|home | karsten, jelly-home, xingu: Thx. It's a `badblocks` process that seems to find a lot of them ... |
| 21:01.59 | karsten | vlt|home: ?? |
| 21:02.29 | karsten | vlt|home: That would suggest disk issues. Check /var/log/messages / /var/log/kern.log |
| 21:03.17 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: The wad files are not free only the code |
| 21:03.29 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: pak files for quake |
| 21:03.31 | vlt|home | karsten: Yes, the drive is full of errors. I'm looking for a way to kill the badblocks process. |
| 21:03.43 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: I know that, but the same is true for quake2, but they still have the quake2 engine in debian |
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| 21:04.43 | shining | and same for q3 |
| 21:04.45 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: All I can see is an installer to allow installing quake2 that you own on cd |
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| 21:05.03 | abrotman | twobitsprite: it's not the actual game |
| 21:05.04 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: on the link I provided? at the bottom, last item |
| 21:05.08 | twobitsprite | abrotman: eh? |
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| 21:05.31 | abrotman | twobitsprite: however .. nexuiz might help you satisfy your craving :) |
| 21:05.40 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: You cannot play the game with just what is there |
| 21:05.52 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: no shit |
| 21:06.03 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: I know the difference between "game data" and "game engine"... |
| 21:06.18 | twobitsprite | h3sp4wn: I'm just saying that the quake2 game engine is in debian, but the quake1 engine isn't |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | check the licenses |
| 21:06.39 | abrotman | also possible it was removed |
| 21:06.43 | shining | quake1 and quake3 engine are gpl |
| 21:06.51 | shining | just like quake2 |
| 21:07.05 | twobitsprite | abrotman: from the id software website: "Full source code for QUAKE. This source code is released under the terms of the GNU Public License." |
| 21:07.16 | abrotman | sounds to me like twobitsprite is volunteering to package them |
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| 21:07.33 | twobitsprite | abrotman: hehe... I might :) |
| 21:07.45 | abrotman | all three! or we feed you to the gentoobies! |
| 21:07.48 | jelly-home | all hail the great future quake1 package maintainer |
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| 21:07.56 | twobitsprite | abrotman: NOOOOO!!!!!!!! |
| 21:08.08 | twobitsprite | abrotman: NOT THE GENTOOIES!!!!! |
| 21:08.16 | sid | !start a distro war |
| 21:08.17 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 21:08.27 | sid | haha, good distro war dpkg |
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| 21:08.44 | twobitsprite | !gentoo rulez!!! |
| 21:08.48 | twobitsprite | hmm |
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| 21:09.05 | abrotman | twobitsprite: the package page for quake2 says why it's in contrib .. while the engine is free .. "This package contains no data files. You will need to either install the commercial data from the Quake II CD-ROM with the ``quake2-data'' package, or install some free data files." |
| 21:09.13 | twobitsprite | abrotman: hmm... I'm running etch and I shows up for me |
| 21:09.24 | abrotman | twobitsprite: aren't you specia |
| 21:09.26 | abrotman | l |
| 21:09.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 21:09.46 | lanchow | anyone know the correct syntax for "nautilus --geometry=800x600" ? |
| 21:09.55 | twobitsprite | lanchow: -geometry |
| 21:10.00 | twobitsprite | methinks |
| 21:10.14 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.14 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.19 | twobitsprite | ahh |
| 21:10.25 | shining | twobitsprite: apt-cache policy quake2 |
| 21:10.54 | twobitsprite | shining: Installed: 1:0.3-1.1 |
| 21:11.05 | shining | twobitsprite: but the url |
| 21:11.18 | twobitsprite | shining: I don't see a url |
| 21:11.27 | abrotman | that might be why he has it :) |
| 21:11.30 | abrotman | !paster |
| 21:11.31 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:11.40 | lanchow | abrotman, that's why i wrote "nautilus --geometry=800x600" :) but it's opening with 1250x800 (i use ion3 with xinerama) |
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| 21:11.53 | shining | I've this line : 500 http://ftp.fr.debian.org sid/contrib Packages, because it's in the sid repo |
| 21:11.56 | debfanman | lanchow: curious, but doesnt geometry require 4 fields for top/bottom x & y? |
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| 21:12.06 | abrotman | debfanman: not always |
| 21:12.25 | debfanman | abrotman: ah thanks, been a while. memory isnt what it used to be ;) |
| 21:12.41 | debfanman | abrotman: that or i was thinking maybe leading 0's or -- --geomertry |
| 21:12.50 | twobitsprite | well... I do have debian-multimedia in my sources... |
| 21:13.10 | JB318 | Is the RC1 release of netinst still the latest for etch? |
| 21:13.43 | abrotman | other than daily .. yes |
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| 21:13.47 | JB318 | Heh, k |
| 21:13.55 | twobitsprite | man nexuiz had better be good, cos it sure takes a long time to d/l |
| 21:13.58 | lanchow | debfanman, you can write 800x600+0+0 |
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| 21:14.30 | shining | twobitsprite: I didn't find it that good :) I prefer warsow personally |
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| 21:14.37 | shining | twobitsprite: but you should try it at least once |
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| 21:14.48 | twobitsprite | shining: is warsow in debian? |
| 21:14.53 | shining | twobitsprite: no |
| 21:15.06 | debfanman | lanchow: but the +0+0 was optional though. couldnt remeber that. didnt you have to "escape" the switch using -- or something though? |
| 21:15.13 | debfanman | !-- |
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| 21:15.20 | JB318 | Is there any indication of when a new release might come out? Should I burn the ISO I downloaded a while ago or wait a week or two for a new one? |
| 21:15.25 | abrotman | shingouz: warsow isn't in debian .. though there is some work on getting it done |
| 21:15.28 | abrotman | JB318: WIR |
| 21:15.28 | shining | twobitsprite: it's the same than the quake games, it isn't free. only the engine (q2 based) is, the data isn't |
| 21:15.37 | shining | abrotman: ah ok |
| 21:15.44 | twobitsprite | shining: ahh |
| 21:15.53 | JB318 | abrotman: Is there any indication of when it will be ready? :8) |
| 21:16.00 | lanchow | debfanman, no |
| 21:16.02 | abrotman | WIR! |
| 21:16.07 | abrotman | SIYH! |
| 21:16.33 | twobitsprite | !siyh |
| 21:16.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 21:16.39 | twobitsprite | ahh |
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| 21:16.43 | debfanman | abrotman: hey, refresh me, what did the "--" mean on a command? |
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| 21:16.46 | unseensoul | hi |
| 21:16.57 | abrotman | debfanman: terminate option list |
| 21:17.00 | JB318 | Hehe |
| 21:17.19 | twobitsprite | what's sid looking like these days? usable? |
| 21:17.33 | JB318 | abrotman: I'll take that as a humble request to get this thing burned and installed on my laptop at my earliest convenience ;) |
| 21:17.36 | debfanman | abrotman: and the options after the -- are considered input yes? |
| 21:17.45 | krazykit | twobitsprite, i think it's usable, others would disagree. |
| 21:18.13 | shining | twobitsprite: I guess it depends on your usage (packages you need, and what stability you need) |
| 21:18.27 | debfanman | abrotman: well, however the program interprets i guess. thanks for refresher though, that rings a bell |
| 21:18.30 | h3sp4wn | twobitsprite: pretty stable but only because anything not intended for etch should now be uploaded to experimental - as soon as etch is released it won't be (unless you are careful) |
| 21:18.35 | shining | twobitsprite: perfectly usable and stable for me as a desktop |
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| 21:19.33 | bigwig | by |
| 21:19.35 | bigwig | bye |
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| 21:21.15 | _|Nix|_ | Hi! I know next to nothing about the debian packaging system. How do I find out which of the many repos in my sources.list provides a particular package ? ... and I don't have man pages at my disposal ... |
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| 21:22.15 | debfanman | _|Nix|_: Today, the role of the manual will be played by #debian? |
| 21:22.22 | h3sp4wn | _|Nix|_: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 21:22.38 | h3sp4wn | _|Nix|_: apt-cache madison if you need to know the source package |
| 21:22.44 | karsten | _|Nix|_: the packages files themselves are themselves stored in /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 21:23.25 | karsten | _|Nix|_: ... named by archive. You can see whence they came. |
| 21:23.37 | karsten | h3sp4wn: Ah, *that* is what madison does. |
| 21:24.03 | karsten | h3sp4wn: ... I guess that makes you my man ;-) |
| 21:24.26 | _|Nix|_ | debfanman: Well, I'm also looking at the debian tutorial, but, sure, if #debian is ready, willing and able, I appreciate the help. |
| 21:24.34 | _|Nix|_ | Thanks! |
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| 21:24.40 | abrotman | _|Nix|_: can you show us your sources ? |
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| 21:25.02 | _|Nix|_ | abrotman: You mean the sources.list ? |
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| 21:25.30 | twobitsprite | hmm... I need a better aim client... gaim just doesn't do it for me... I preferably want one more unixy... i.e. supports readline like keybindings, etc.... any suggestions? |
| 21:25.43 | pipeline | More unixy? |
| 21:25.51 | pipeline | So it should be buggy as shit, hard to use, and totally undocumented? |
| 21:25.53 | karsten | twobitsprite: bitlebee (sp?) |
| 21:26.01 | _|Nix|_ | twobitsprite: I dunno if it's unixy enough for you, but how about centericq ? |
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| 21:26.15 | twobitsprite | pipeline: I never encounter any of those, except maybe on AIX... |
| 21:26.15 | debfanman | pipeline: those are features |
| 21:26.17 | _|Nix|_ | twobitsprite: curses UI. |
| 21:26.35 | _|Nix|_ | twobitsprite: You can stuff it in a screen ... |
| 21:26.38 | twobitsprite | _|Nix|_: tried it... didn't really like it |
| 21:26.39 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: is gaim a gtk app? You can add Emacs keybindings to gtk apps. |
| 21:26.40 | h3sp4wn | bitlbee |
| 21:26.49 | h3sp4wn | (then use irssi for all) |
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| 21:27.01 | karsten | twobitsprite: ... if you manage to spell that right, it's a proxy for irssi / irc that proxies to other chat protocols. |
| 21:27.05 | karsten | !bitlbee |
| 21:27.05 | dpkg | methinks bitlbee is an irc to other chat networks gateway, connect to irc, icq, msn, jabber, aim, etc... with your favorite irc client! |
| 21:27.25 | twobitsprite | interesting |
| 21:27.52 | Guerin | !bitlbee is also /connect im.bitlbee.org ; type `help' |
| 21:27.52 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 21:28.23 | Guilt | Does Debian come with anything for Xen administration? |
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| 21:28.25 | Guilt | :D |
| 21:28.35 | karsten | Guilt: bash, vim. |
| 21:28.37 | Guerin | Guilt: vi, emacs, nano ... |
| 21:28.43 | Guilt | :o |
| 21:28.48 | Guilt | i meant some kinda' program |
| 21:28.54 | Guilt | other than vim |
| 21:28.55 | Guerin | those are a kinda program |
| 21:28.56 | Guilt | and editors |
| 21:28.58 | Guilt | :D |
| 21:29.07 | Guerin | in the case of emacs, it's a multitude of kindsa program |
| 21:29.15 | karsten | Guilt: Search. I'm not aware of any good virtualization management tools. |
| 21:29.23 | Guilt | so, basically. i've got to plan my installation out. |
| 21:29.29 | Guilt | what would you people suggest? |
| 21:29.33 | karsten | Guerin: I always thought of it more as a hypertude. |
| 21:29.41 | Guilt | i've kept a free partition on my hard drive now. |
| 21:29.41 | abrotman | Guilt: apt-cache search xen |
| 21:29.49 | karsten | Guilt: google "virtualization management tools". |
| 21:29.53 | Guerin | 0. read documentation thoroughly; 1. do a dry run |
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| 21:30.03 | h3sp4wn | Guilt: It has xen-tools |
| 21:30.14 | karsten | Guerin: No, no, no: 0. Do a wet run. 2. Repent. |
| 21:30.14 | Guilt | uhm |
| 21:30.23 | Guilt | i dont care what virtualization it is |
| 21:30.24 | Guerin | *schlurp* |
| 21:30.29 | Guilt | as long as it supports Intel VT |
| 21:30.32 | Guilt | and it's fast |
| 21:30.33 | Guerin | ... |
| 21:30.34 | Guilt | :D |
| 21:30.39 | Guilt | what would my best bet be? |
| 21:30.45 | Guerin | Guilt: SEARCH |
| 21:30.47 | debfanman | Guilt: define "fast" |
| 21:30.59 | Guerin | your best bet is to find out by doing research |
| 21:31.00 | Guilt | fast as in, not emulated like VMWare |
| 21:31.06 | Guilt | oh come on :( |
| 21:31.08 | karsten | Guilt: One of the folks responding to you has a fair bit of direct experience in this field. |
| 21:31.14 | Guilt | oh :o |
| 21:31.19 | Guilt | which one? |
| 21:31.20 | karsten | Guilt: .... and there are _no_ good virt management tools in general use at present. |
| 21:31.31 | debfanman | Guilt: you expect virtualized programs to somehow run faster than directly on hardware? |
| 21:31.41 | Guilt | no, no |
| 21:31.43 | Guilt | see. um |
| 21:31.50 | karsten | debfanman: Overhead for Xen is very light, on paravirtualized Linux. 2-4% |
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| 21:32.00 | Guilt | yeah. that stuff |
| 21:32.01 | Guilt | :D |
| 21:32.21 | h3sp4wn | But using the VT is much slower |
| 21:32.27 | Guilt | so, are there any good ways to get started? |
| 21:32.32 | Guilt | h3sp4wn: huh? |
| 21:32.33 | karsten | Guilt: Note that if you're using VT HW and hardware-assisted virtualization, overhead jumps to ~30-40%+ |
| 21:32.35 | debfanman | Guilt: i know what you meant ;p vmware does the job for me (although it can be painfully slow due to bugs/issues) |
| 21:32.43 | karsten | Guilt: Search. Again. Final answer. |
| 21:33.02 | Guilt | there are quite a few options. i just don't know which one. |
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| 21:33.27 | Guerin | Guilt: this is why you have to LOOK AT THEM |
| 21:33.31 | karsten | Guilt: I guess you'll just have to find out. Tell you what, I know *exactly* which one you should use. |
| 21:33.33 | Guilt | :( |
| 21:33.36 | karsten | Guilt: ... The third one. |
| 21:33.40 | debfanman | Guilt: how fast the machine you plan on using it on? |
| 21:33.46 | loesje | anybody can help changing my resolution to 1024 in kde? |
| 21:33.50 | Guilt | er |
| 21:33.51 | karsten | Guilt: See, all the deciding's done for you. It's Best Practices[tm]. |
| 21:33.53 | loesje | i only can choose 600 800 |
| 21:33.56 | Guerin | loesje: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 21:33.56 | Guilt | i don't know. i have a core 2 t7200 |
| 21:34.44 | debfanman | Guilt: let me guess, no need for windows? bought all that to run apache and a rdbms for your fictional company? :) |
| 21:34.45 | Guerin | Guilt: it doesn't matter what sort of virtualisation you use. You have no idea what you need ro want, and no idea what results to expect anyway. So I recommend choosing the simplest. |
| 21:34.56 | Guilt | i saw something called: http://openvz.org/ |
| 21:35.16 | Guilt | debfanman: no. |
| 21:35.35 | loesje | i know but does not work |
| 21:35.47 | Guilt | i just want to work on both. currently i'm not running Debian. i'm booting my from usb drive into something else. |
| 21:35.53 | Guilt | and i just got my partitions ready now. |
| 21:36.06 | Guilt | i've decided to install a 64 bt smp version of the kernel |
| 21:36.21 | Guilt | now. i've got to figure out how to virtualize windows and linux |
| 21:36.27 | debfanman | Guilt: winxp pro/home? go grab vmware. free and does the job. cept i havent tried X recently in it |
| 21:36.28 | Guilt | preferably if it's hypervisor based |
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| 21:36.44 | Guilt | debfanman: but i don't want to use vmware. |
| 21:36.48 | graytron | vmware free? |
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| 21:36.57 | Guilt | graytron: yup |
| 21:37.00 | debfanman | vmware free as in free for home use |
| 21:37.11 | mirak | hi |
| 21:37.11 | debfanman | has been for ages now |
| 21:37.25 | graytron | ok, but closed |
| 21:37.29 | karsten | debfanman: ~6 months. |
| 21:37.31 | debfanman | of course ;) |
| 21:37.31 | mirak | how do you use exec in find ? I do find -exec chmod 664 {} but it doesnt work |
| 21:37.54 | Guerin | free as in `here's a free sample of dope, you'll be back for more in no time' |
| 21:37.55 | debfanman | karsten: sounds about right. but it was always free to me anyways if you catch my drift ;P |
| 21:38.06 | peterS | mirak: it needs a ; argument at the end. but since ; is special to the shell you have to quote it, either ';' or \; |
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| 21:38.17 | peterS | mirak: find -exec chmod 664 {} \; |
| 21:38.19 | mirak | ah |
| 21:38.41 | debfanman | Guerin: well, its nowhere near what esx etc can do. but for a simple windows boxen, its cheap way to play with debian |
| 21:39.15 | peterS | mirak: I generally prefer xargs though: find ... -print0 | xargs -r0 chmod 664 |
| 21:39.45 | mirak | peterS: I was using it, but there was file with spaces in the name that failed |
| 21:40.00 | Guerin | debfanman: ... except you could just install it. |
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| 21:40.06 | peterS | mirak: yeah that's why I use -print0 and xargs -0, it is safe for files with arbitrary characters in their names |
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| 21:40.14 | mirak | ok |
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| 21:40.27 | peterS | mirak: ...since that makes them use the NUL character as delimiter |
| 21:40.56 | debfanman | Guerin: dual boot a pain. ill stick with windows thanks |
| 21:41.14 | Guerin | debfanman: I agree, dual boot is a pain. This is why I just use debian. |
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| 21:41.31 | debfanman | Guerin: my uses for debian dont require anything more than text mode. vmware can suit my needs just fine |
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| 21:41.57 | Guerin | debfanman: you should probably consider changing your nick to `gatestoolman' |
| 21:41.59 | debfanman | Guerin: now if I wanted a even remotely responsive X setup.... |
| 21:42.01 | graytron | baroni: :q! |
| 21:42.27 | graytron | :) |
| 21:42.42 | h3sp4wn | debfanman: use debian with colinux then |
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| 21:43.30 | debfanman | Guerin: i find it easier to stay in windows and still be able to dabble with debian to its full extent rather than try use linux natively and run windows in a dminished state through vmware. what can i say, linux plays better with others than MS stuff does |
| 21:44.10 | debfanman | but i am takin donations if any of you wanna send me another box to install debian on ;) |
| 21:44.17 | newbie77 | (formerly Guest[somenr]): I'm trying to access an USB HDD, but I can't figure out how to mount it. /dev/sda is my fixed HDD. There is no /dev/sdb, /dev/sg0 or sg[anynumber]. Dmesg returns: usb 1-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 |
| 21:44.17 | newbie77 | usb 1-8: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 21:44.17 | newbie77 | scsi4 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 21:44.18 | newbie77 | usb-storage: device found at 5 |
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| 21:44.20 | Guerin | honestly, I don't get why people waste so much time on trying to shoehorn free software OSen into windows. |
| 21:44.34 | Guilt | okay. i came up with something. |
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| 21:44.40 | Guilt | let me know if some part is wrong. |
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| 21:44.47 | Guerin | the amount of time people spend fretting about performance and incompatibility and bullshit like that, you could just fucking install it and be done. |
| 21:44.48 | Guilt | install debian x64-p4 |
| 21:44.59 | Guilt | run the x64 xen installer |
| 21:45.00 | Guerin | Guilt: why are you telling us? Go do it. |
| 21:45.01 | Guilt | configure |
| 21:45.02 | blackba55__ | i'm new to debian ... and i think my kernel it's not ok .. how do i configure it ? .. cause i can't find it in /usr/src/linux .. cause there is no /linux/ in /usr/src ?? |
| 21:45.05 | Guerin | less talk, more action |
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| 21:45.12 | Guilt | Guerin: i'm asking for guidance. |
| 21:45.18 | Guerin | blackba55__: why are you building your own kernel |
| 21:45.24 | Guilt | i don't want to go into blind alleys without knowing what i'm doing |
| 21:45.26 | h3sp4wn | Guilt: xen is in etch already |
| 21:45.27 | Guerin | Guilt: ask for guidance once you're IN the process. |
| 21:45.32 | glontu | how can i stop exim4 from rewriting my sender header ?!? |
| 21:45.42 | Guerin | Guilt: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:45.42 | newbie77 | hi again. I was kicked from the list. Sorry for the many lines. I wasn't able to see any replies. |
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| 21:45.50 | dondelelcaro | blackba55__: you shouldn't need to build your own kernel. If you think you do, you have to get a kernel source package, and compile it appropraitely. /msg dpkg kp; /msg dpkg kp mantra; |
| 21:45.52 | newbie77 | unfortunately |
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| 21:46.03 | x_link | Hi |
| 21:46.09 | debfanman | newbie77: nobody replied, you arent that special here after a flood it would seem ;) |
| 21:46.12 | Guerin | newbie77: can you see them now? |
| 21:46.23 | x_link | I have tried to get this program called "kooldock" now for like 4 hours, without any success at all. |
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| 21:46.34 | dondelelcaro | newbie77: there should be a few lines below what you posted which lists /dev/sdb or similar. |
| 21:46.53 | x_link | I tried different repositories but those didn't work, I just downloaded it from kde-apps.org, it was a .deb file. |
| 21:46.54 | newbie77 | debfanmail: as I've said, I'm sorry for that. which would be the correct way to post some program output? |
| 21:46.59 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 21:46.59 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 21:47.02 | dondelelcaro | newbie77: see above. |
| 21:47.08 | LinuxNIT | does debian have something comperable mandrake/mandrivas printerdrake for setting up printers? |
| 21:47.13 | x_link | dpkg -i kooldock_0.4.3-1_i386.deb so I did that, but now when I write kooldock in Run Command nothing happens. |
| 21:47.14 | dpkg | package kooldock_0.4.3-1_i386.deb so I did that, but now when I write kooldock in Run Command nothing happens. is already installed |
| 21:47.18 | debfanman | newbie77: pasebin.ca seems popular |
| 21:47.21 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: foomatic-gui or cups |
| 21:47.23 | debfanman | err pastebin |
| 21:47.27 | x_link | Does anybody here have kooldock, or can somebody here please help me getting it? |
| 21:47.33 | x_link | I would really appreicate it alot! |
| 21:47.34 | LinuxNIT | k thanks |
| 21:47.38 | peterS | I'm hungry, I want to use a 'pastabin.ca' |
| 21:47.43 | dondelelcaro | x_link: dpkg -L kooldock; to see what the command to run actually is, and run it. If it doesn't work, talk to upstream. |
| 21:47.44 | Guerin | x_link: dpkg -L kooldock |
| 21:47.47 | newbie77 | Guerin: I can see them now |
| 21:47.52 | debfanman | peterS: :p |
| 21:47.55 | x_link | Guerin: Where should I write that? |
| 21:47.59 | Guerin | peterS: pastiebin! |
| 21:48.04 | Guerin | x_link: in a terminal |
| 21:48.05 | debfanman | ooh! |
| 21:48.06 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, or that |
| 21:48.08 | x_link | ahh ok, sorry. |
| 21:48.15 | peterS | pastrybin.ca |
| 21:48.23 | x_link | Guerin dondelelcaro Thanks !! |
| 21:48.34 | dondelelcaro | peterS: unless you like to eat paste... |
| 21:48.40 | debfanman | Guerin: can i borrow your shoe horn? i need to fire up a few debian sessions ;p |
| 21:48.49 | x_link | Guerin: Alot of lines came up there |
| 21:49.07 | peterS | bah, metar tells me it's still -3°C (27°F) outside. I wonder if I really _have_ to run the errand I was thinking of running. |
| 21:49.15 | Guilt | Guerin: were you telling me something about exim4? |
| 21:49.16 | newbie77 | dondelcare: unfortunatelynothing more comes |
| 21:49.17 | Guilt | :/ |
| 21:49.26 | Guilt | any specific reason? |
| 21:49.38 | newbie77 | dondelelcaro unfortunately nothing more comes |
| 21:49.41 | dondelelcaro | newbie77: unplug the drive and plug it back in. |
| 21:49.43 | jelly-home | peterS: any wind? |
| 21:49.50 | _|Nix|_ | Boo :o( I'm trying to buid maemo-gaim and it can't find bonobo/bonobo-main.h |
| 21:49.56 | peterS | jelly-home: no - it says 3 knot variable direction, which basically means none |
| 21:50.00 | x_or | Anyone here know how to specify dependencies in a debian package when building with checkinstall? Do I have to generate a .deb manually to do this? I don't see anything in the man page. |
| 21:50.07 | newbie77 | dondelelcaro: then the same happens again, I've tried it before |
| 21:50.12 | jelly-home | peterS: go, breathe in the air! |
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| 21:50.17 | peterS | jelly-home: do you use the 'metar' app? it's very nice, if you live close enough to a major airport for the weather data to be reported to METAR |
| 21:50.17 | graytron | x_link: dpkg -L kooldock | grep bin |
| 21:50.29 | dondelelcaro | peterS: sucks to be you. It's 87F now. ;-) |
| 21:50.34 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
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| 21:50.43 | craigevil | 8f with -12f windchill here |
| 21:50.46 | jelly-home | peterS: I use the xfce panel plugin which I suspect takes the data from the same source |
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| 21:51.08 | newbie77 | Guerin: do you have any idea what I could do? |
| 21:51.26 | peterS | jelly-home: yeah, probably - http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/observations/metar/stations/KICT.TXT in my case |
| 21:51.30 | sphenxes | - |
| 21:51.39 | x_link | graytron: Thanks |
| 21:51.39 | peterS | (ICT being my local airport, K meaning it's in the US) |
| 21:51.44 | jelly-home | peterS: the weather station is about 20 minutes from here so it's rather accurate |
| 21:51.54 | newbie77 | debfanman: would it be correct if I send post multiple lines directly to someone I talked before? |
| 21:52.05 | x_link | graytron: I know where the file is, it's in /ysr/share/docs/kooldock |
| 21:52.19 | x_link | err, usr/bin and /usr/bin/kooldock |
| 21:52.26 | debfanman | newbie77: usually you ask them before you proceed to flood them without notice ;p |
| 21:53.01 | graytron | x_link: whats the problem |
| 21:53.01 | jelly-home | peterS: hmm, then it might not be the same. this one is going to something like xml.weather.com |
| 21:53.28 | newbie77 | debfanman: ok. which would be the acceptable limit of lines in the main channel? Thanks (won't happen again) |
| 21:53.29 | peterS | jelly-home: ahh, the Weather Channel. yeah that's the other source of this information |
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| 21:53.35 | x_link | graytron: I don't know how to start the program |
| 21:53.44 | graytron | x_link: kooldock |
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| 21:53.59 | debfanman | newbie77: in this channel? 1 or 2 lines, anything beyond should be posted somehwere imho |
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| 21:54.21 | _|Nix|_ | I wish to have a certain file on my system, but I don't. How can I determine which package I must install in order to get that file ? Is there a way ? |
| 21:54.49 | h3sp4wn | _|Nix|_: apt-file (use -v or you won't know whether its doing anything) |
| 21:54.52 | sid | !tell _|Nix|_ about apt-file |
| 21:54.55 | debfanman | _|Nix|_: heard apt-file can help ppl out. no idea though |
| 21:55.16 | x_link | graytron: I tried that in Run Command and in Konsole, but it doesn't start. |
| 21:55.45 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/339140 |
| 21:55.52 | x_link | I get that message when I try to start it. |
| 21:55.56 | h3sp4wn | Incidently does anyone know a way to get apt-file back to the old way where it has a status thing (so you could tell when it was doing something) |
| 21:55.56 | graytron | x_link: maybe there's some /usr/share/doc/kooldock/README or README.Debian with hints |
| 21:56.28 | graytron | oh |
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| 21:57.16 | peterS | jelly-home: I go to weather.com sometimes too, because they have forecasts, whereas METAR only gives current conditions |
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| 21:57.27 | graytron | x_link: try installing libgnutls |
| 21:57.42 | x_link | graytron: What is that? |
| 21:57.46 | newbie77 | debfanman: did you formerly suggest for me to access www.pasebin.ca? is that spelled correctly? |
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| 21:57.58 | debfanman | newbie77: i believe so |
| 21:58.06 | graytron | x_link: maybe your libc/tls is too old |
| 21:58.08 | TechnoDar | Hello everyone |
| 21:58.25 | x_link | graytron: I couldn't download it |
| 21:58.27 | jelly-home | peterS: somehow it's nice to be able to |
| 21:58.30 | peterS | newbie77: pastebin.ca, it wasn't spelled right |
| 21:58.33 | debfanman | newbie77: but the next line corrected it to pastebin ;) |
| 21:58.38 | x_link | Didn't find package libgnutls |
| 21:58.42 | jelly-home | grrr finish one's sentences |
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| 21:58.57 | graytron | x_link: what version of libtls do you have? "dpkg -l | grep libgnutls" |
| 21:59.01 | x_link | libgnutls-dev maybe |
| 21:59.09 | peterS | x_link: apt-cache search libgnutls |
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| 21:59.29 | x_link | graytron: Hrmm it shows two different ones |
| 21:59.29 | jelly-home | peterS: ... see the weather data as an icon on the desktop instead of looking out the window or, heaven forbid, peeking out the door |
| 21:59.29 | x_link | I will show you |
| 21:59.44 | x_link | peterS: I did that,a couple of them so I don't know which one to pick |
| 21:59.56 | LinuxNIT | thanks Guerin but localhost:631 did a better job of detecting my network printers. :-/ |
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| 22:00.06 | peterS | jelly-home: well I don't mind turning my head 120 degrees to look out the window - but that doesn't tell me the temperature and wind speed, which are what I really care about (wind direction and speed makes a big difference when you get around on a bicycle) |
| 22:00.10 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/339147 |
| 22:00.14 | x_link | graytron: I get that |
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| 22:00.19 | newbie77 | debfanman: sorry and thanks again |
| 22:00.27 | debfanman | newbie77: np |
| 22:00.29 | peterS | x_link: if you want to compile something that uses a library, you want the 'development files', which almost always ends in -dev on Debian |
| 22:00.37 | graytron | x_link: get what? |
| 22:00.51 | x_link | graytron: When I did the command you asked me for, to see the version. |
| 22:00.51 | graytron | x_link: don't get the -dev package |
| 22:00.52 | peterS | x_link: and 'dpkg -l | grep' is no substitute for 'apt-cache search' (: |
| 22:00.59 | x_link | graytron: Okey |
| 22:01.07 | x_link | peterS: Okey |
| 22:01.14 | x_link | This is hard for a newbie like me. hehe |
| 22:01.21 | peterS | x_link: I came into this late - what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:01.21 | x_link | Can't even install one program right =/ |
| 22:01.33 | newbie77 | dondelelcaro: did you get the lines which I sent you directly? |
| 22:01.37 | x_link | peterS: I'm just trying to install this program called Kooldock |
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| 22:01.51 | x_link | But I can't... I tried a couple of repos etc. but none of it helped |
| 22:02.01 | peterS | x_link: yeah if you're trying to compile something from source, you need the corresponding -dev package |
| 22:02.12 | peterS | if not - you don't |
| 22:02.15 | x_link | peterS: I'm not compiling, cause I don't know how to compile. |
| 22:02.30 | peterS | x_link: so what's the deal, you found a package of this but it won't install? |
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| 22:02.52 | x_link | I downloaded from from kde-apps.org |
| 22:03.08 | graytron | x_link: did dpkg / apt-get / aptitude whatever complaing when you installed the package? |
| 22:03.09 | x_link | It was a .deb file, I did dpkg -i "version number etc. |
| 22:03.17 | graytron | complain |
| 22:03.18 | peterS | x_link: ok and what did dpkg complain about? |
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| 22:03.23 | x_link | But then when I did/do kooldock in Rum Command or konsole it doesn't start. |
| 22:03.39 | debfanman | hmmmm, rum..... |
| 22:03.43 | x_link | graytron: I didn't install it with apt-get, cause it doesn't find it |
| 22:03.46 | x_link | I downlaoded it from a site. |
| 22:03.49 | x_link | kde-apps.org |
| 22:03.57 | graytron | x_link: you didn't ansewr |
| 22:03.59 | peterS | x_link: fine. when you installed with dpkg -i, did dpkg complain about anything, or did it just install? |
| 22:04.06 | x_link | http://kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content= |
| 22:04.07 | x_link | 50910&id=2&PHPSESSID=a7a97e5608245c31eee56f1f3a5c6510 |
| 22:04.10 | x_link | I got it from there |
| 22:04.32 | x_link | Then I cd into that directory and did --> dpkg -i kooldock_0.4.3-1_i386.deb |
| 22:04.47 | craigevil | does it give any errors |
| 22:04.53 | x_link | peterS: I didn't see any complainings |
| 22:05.05 | x_link | Should I remove it and re-install it to make sure? |
| 22:05.05 | peterS | x_link: oh that .deb file is *way* messed up |
| 22:05.25 | x_link | peterS: Ahh okey, so that's the reason why it doesn't start maybe? |
| 22:05.31 | peterS | x_link: it was created by a process ('checkinstall') that doesn't tell you anything about what libraries you need. bleh. |
| 22:05.40 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 22:05.46 | x_link | Well, then I guess I can't get that program. hehe |
| 22:05.54 | x_link | I have tried everything I could. |
| 22:05.56 | craigevil | why not just compile it |
| 22:06.04 | peterS | x_link: so now - ldd /usr/bin/kooldock | grep "not found" |
| 22:06.05 | x_link | craigevil: I really don't know how to compile. |
| 22:06.09 | x_link | peterS: Okey |
| 22:06.20 | x_link | "not found" also? |
| 22:06.28 | peterS | yes with the "" quotes |
| 22:06.35 | debfanman | x_link: compiling is usually 90% easier than making a deb package properly |
| 22:06.35 | x_link | ok as root or normal user? |
| 22:06.54 | peterS | normal user is fine |
| 22:07.07 | x_link | peterS: Okey, done now with that command |
| 22:07.12 | x_link | Want to see the output or? |
| 22:07.21 | peterS | x_link: it should list the libraries which are missing, one per line. just tell us what the library names are |
| 22:07.30 | x_link | Okey |
| 22:07.37 | x_link | 2 lines came up, can I paste it here? |
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| 22:07.58 | peterS | I don't mind a 2-line paste but you could just tell us the 2 library names on one line |
| 22:08.28 | x_link | http://www.pastebin.ca/339155 |
| 22:08.31 | x_link | That came up. |
| 22:08.36 | debfanman | of course everyone in the channel will spend 3 or 4 lines telling you a 2 lin paste is taboo ;) |
| 22:08.57 | x_link | hehe |
| 22:09.03 | newbie77 | Could some one else please give me a hand to make my USB HDD work? dmesg says that the device was found and finishes with "usb-storage: device scan complete". But I've |
| 22:09.04 | newbie77 | got no clue how to mount it, cause /dev/sda is my fixed SATA drive and there are no other entries at /dev/ [no sdb or sg[somenumber]) |
| 22:09.06 | peterS | x_link: so the only thing it complained about was that one line, about GLIBC_2.4? |
| 22:09.08 | x_link | I really appreicate that you guys help me |
| 22:09.12 | debfanman | x_link: funny since you spent 2 lines tellin us the paste. kinda innefficient ;) |
| 22:09.27 | jelly-home | newbie77: do you have kernel module usb-storage loaded? |
| 22:09.38 | newbie77 | jelly-home: yes |
| 22:09.46 | x_link | peterS: Like I said before, I don't kow. I didn't take a look when did that command=/ |
| 22:10.01 | jelly-home | hrmph |
| 22:10.11 | x_link | Next time I will look closer when I install something or using dpkg -i command. |
| 22:10.19 | peterS | x_link: that means it was compiled on a system with libc6 version 2.4 or higher. which debian doesn't have. I'm running libc6 2.5 from experimental, though, and it works fine for me. |
| 22:10.27 | peterS | x_link: are you running stable or testing or..? |
| 22:10.47 | x_link | peterS: I'm using Debian Etch, KDE 3.5 |
| 22:10.54 | jelly-home | newbie77: and you do have sd_mod else your SATA drive at /dev/sda wouldn't be there... can you pastebin last 20 lines of dmesg? |
| 22:11.13 | debfanman | newbie77: dmesg | tail -n20 |
| 22:11.21 | peterS | x_link: so if you want you can get the experimental version of libc6 from http://packages.debian.org/experimental/libs/libc6 |
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| 22:11.39 | x_link | peterS: Okey, will that effect my Debian Etch at all? |
| 22:11.41 | peterS | x_link: it has download links for .deb files, you know where to go from there |
| 22:11.55 | x_link | Or I'm just getting a program from experimental? |
| 22:11.59 | peterS | x_link: it is the core library of your entire system, so if it breaks, everything breaks. having said that, I've been using it for a couple months now |
| 22:12.19 | newbie77 | jelly-home: http://www.pastebin.ca/339159 (now will do the command debfanman suggested) |
| 22:12.20 | x_link | peterS: hrmm ok |
| 22:12.38 | x_link | peterS: So if something happens to that package why whole system will get messed? |
| 22:12.44 | jelly-home | newbie77: no need to, that's the same thing ;-) |
| 22:12.53 | peterS | x_link: because _everything_ on the system uses that one package (libc6). or almost everything. |
| 22:13.02 | x_link | ahh ok |
| 22:13.06 | peterS | it's the most important thing on your system besides the kernel |
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| 22:13.14 | x_link | Maybe that's to risky |
| 22:13.21 | newbie77 | :-) |
| 22:13.22 | peterS | yeah you have to make up your own mind about that |
| 22:13.32 | x_link | peterS: Would you do it? |
| 22:13.32 | debfanman | peterS: my pr0n archives are way more important than the kernel or libc6 :) |
| 22:13.33 | graytron | what packages does kooldock depend on? |
| 22:13.37 | peterS | it works fine for me, but OTOH, I generally know how to fix a system when it breaks, so. |
| 22:13.41 | x_link | graytron: I don't know =/ |
| 22:13.56 | twobitsprite | debfanman: have anon ftp running? :P |
| 22:14.01 | x_link | peterS: Exactly, I don't know how to fix a system, so all I can/could do then is to re-install. |
| 22:14.04 | debfanman | twobitsprite: depends ;) |
| 22:14.13 | x_link | And I would go crazy if I had to do that =/ |
| 22:14.16 | jelly-home | what's so good about glibc 2.4+ anyway? |
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| 22:14.34 | Kesha_NNM | !ru |
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| 22:14.54 | debfanman | !ca |
| 22:14.55 | dpkg | ca is, like, a Certificate Authroity. It's required when browsers check your SSL certs with the CA's digital signature. See also SSL, or dog in Mallorquí.... Canada, or see apache rootca |
| 22:14.56 | peterS | jelly-home: I have no idea. I don't know what the new features are. I only installed it for testing - if something happened to break I could report the bug. not because I really wanted a newer libc |
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| 22:15.22 | twobitsprite | when you have an x program which steals the mouse, how do you get it back? |
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| 22:15.51 | x_link | peterS: So there is no other way at all for me to get kooldock? |
| 22:15.54 | debfanman | twobitsprite: kill the process that stole it? or does linux suppport capital punishment? |
| 22:16.04 | x_link | And can I just delete the .deb file I downloaded? |
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| 22:16.20 | peterS | x_link: well you can find someone who has _really_ packaged it for debian. the package you downloaded is so sloppy I wouldn't say it was really built for debian. |
| 22:16.21 | debfanman | yes link |
| 22:16.29 | newbie77 | jelly-home debfanman: this is more from the beginning of system start http://www.pastebin.ca/339164 |
| 22:16.41 | peterS | x_link: or you can build it yourself - I'm sure they have instructions somewhere - but I am not going to walk you through that |
| 22:16.50 | seriouslycgi | has anyone installed flash9 on sarge yet? it keeps telling me my path is wrong when i go to install |
| 22:17.02 | x_link | peterS: hehehe np. |
| 22:17.09 | x_link | peterS: I just hate to be this STUPID. =/ |
| 22:17.16 | x_link | It sucks big time... |
| 22:17.23 | graytron | x_link: you're not stupid |
| 22:17.27 | debfanman | newbie77: try installing hotplug package i think its called? |
| 22:17.52 | graytron | x_link: it's not all that simple, as can be seen from the quality of that package |
| 22:17.55 | x_link | I have been using Linux now for 5 months, and I even don't know how to compile 0/ |
| 22:17.56 | peterS | x_link: well it's not really your fault, people really shouldn't have to know how to build stuff from source, whoever produces kooldock should have cared enough to arrange for proper debian packages to be produced - either in the main debian.org repository, or in some other location |
| 22:17.58 | x_link | =/ |
| 22:18.16 | craigevil | x_link: even compiling kooldock is a pain as it uses autoconf and automake |
| 22:18.20 | peterS | maybe they thought producing 'checkinstall' .debs was enough. but it's not, those are horrible |
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| 22:18.27 | seriouslycgi | x_link lol ive been using it 6 years and never needed to |
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| 22:18.39 | debfanman | x_link: compiling packages is simple, its makin a proper debian package thats the challange |
| 22:18.39 | x_link | seriouslycgi: Okey |
| 22:18.49 | x_link | But it's not just the compiling, I don't know much generally either. |
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| 22:19.05 | x_link | debfanman: I don't know what compiling is either. |
| 22:19.12 | x_link | How you do it, where you do it, when you do it. |
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| 22:19.56 | debfanman | x_link: well, if you dont know how lil' baby *nix packages are born into this OS, i suggest you ask your parent process for the nfo |
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| 22:20.22 | craigevil | arg stupid kooldock package> Can't find X libraries. Please check your install |
| 22:20.24 | x_link | parent process? |
| 22:20.45 | x_link | craigevil: Did you try to install it? |
| 22:20.47 | debfanman | x_link: never been told the birds and the bee's before i take it? :) |
| 22:20.51 | peterS | craigevil: right because it's a checkinstall package and as such it has NO LISTED DEPENDENCIES. so the package manager has no idea what libraries it needs |
| 22:20.56 | craigevil | yeah you got me curious |
| 22:21.04 | craigevil | no im using the source trying to compile it |
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| 22:21.08 | peterS | ahh |
| 22:21.19 | peterS | craigevil: so you probably need libx11-dev and friends |
| 22:21.21 | x_link | debfanman: hehe didn't understand that. |
| 22:21.22 | x_link | =) |
| 22:21.25 | craigevil | thats the error message make gave me |
| 22:21.31 | x_link | craigevil: Okey. |
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| 22:21.34 | margiolas | client for gnutella and fasttrack please no mldonkey! |
| 22:21.42 | x_link | I will try to find a swedish site about how you compile. |
| 22:21.50 | peterS | craigevil: though I'm guessing what you really need is kdelibs-dev and that will pull in the other things you need |
| 22:22.03 | peterS | errr kdelibs4-dev |
| 22:22.04 | debfanman | x_link: go no! |
| 22:22.11 | debfanman | s/go/god/ |
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| 22:22.44 | x_link | debfanman: Why not ? |
| 22:22.56 | newbie77 | debfanman: how could I check if hotplugging is not already installed? |
| 22:22.57 | margiolas | client for gnutella and fasttrack please no mldonkey! |
| 22:22.58 | x_link | Should I not learn how to compile or what? |
| 22:23.02 | nvb | bye bye |
| 22:23.02 | h3sp4wn | x_link: maybe try using cdbs |
| 22:23.11 | debfanman | x_link: as much as I would love to sit down and explain the concept of programming/compiling to you, i think you may find better explanations on a wiki site. try google ;) |
| 22:23.17 | peterS | h3sp4wn: bah don't tell him to start building a debian package, cdbs or otherwise |
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| 22:23.30 | debfanman | newbie77: installing it is one way to find out :p |
| 22:23.35 | craigevil | holy cow kdelibs4-dev wants to pull in a ton of -dev packages and remove gamin libgamin0 |
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| 22:23.43 | peterS | craigevil: that's KDE for ya |
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| 22:24.16 | linux_jones | is there something in debian that will let me look at excel files? (xls) |
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| 22:24.25 | peterS | linux_jones: I use 'gnumeric' |
| 22:24.29 | x_link | debfanman: That's what I said, I will try to find a swedish site about how to compile. |
| 22:24.35 | x_link | With that I mean searching on google =) |
| 22:24.37 | peterS | linux_jones: some people will recommend openoffice.org but I think gnumeric is nicer |
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| 22:24.59 | newbie77 | debfanman: :-) could you please tell me how I do that? (I'm using a rescue CD -- acutally the whole operation is because I want to save data with dd_rescue and dd_rhelp) |
| 22:25.33 | debfanman | newbie77: really depends on the rescue cd :( |
| 22:25.39 | newbie77 | I have apt-get |
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| 22:26.13 | jelly-home | newbie77: is the module sd_mod loaded? |
| 22:26.14 | debfanman | newbie77: well, the easy way would be to apt-get istall hotplug. but i doubt it will work on a rescue cd if the usr dir is ro |
| 22:26.21 | cartesian1984 | Hello. In what package is the gnome-settings-daemon contained? |
| 22:26.47 | peterS | !find bin/gnome-settings-daemon |
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| 22:27.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/gnome-settings-daemon' (1): (/usr/bin/gnome-settings-daemon) in gnome/gnome-control-center. |
| 22:27.05 | peterS | cartesian1984: there ya go |
| 22:27.20 | cartesian1984 | peterS: thanks! |
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| 22:27.36 | agent | is it possible to do a netinstall from an external cdrom (usb)? |
| 22:27.56 | cartesian1984 | Whoa, that package has a lot of dependencies. Are there any other ways to get GTK themes for GTK apps working in flux? |
| 22:28.00 | cartesian1984 | agent: yeah, it is. |
| 22:28.02 | peterS | agent: can your BIOS boot a USB CDROM drive? I think that's the main question |
| 22:28.35 | newbie77 | jelly-home: sd_mod not found! but access to the SATA HDD works |
| 22:28.57 | jelly-home | newbie77: load it pretty please |
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| 22:29.18 | jelly-home | newbie77: er... how DOES your sata drive work if there's no sd? |
| 22:29.25 | x_link | peterS: Do you think I should try another distro, like Kubuntu? |
| 22:29.32 | x_link | Maybe Debian is more for professional people? |
| 22:29.40 | agent | cartesian1984, peterS: yes, bios can boot from usb cdrive... i can boot all kinds of livecd's and the netinstall boots, but hangs at the "detect module for cdrom" part... it says no module can be found and asks me to select one, but the only ones listed are ide modules and they do not work :( |
| 22:30.13 | peterS | x_link: you can certainly try ubuntu / kubuntu, I can't think of any reasons not to. I am not an expert on the matter, not having tried ubuntu myself, but from what I hear they are perfectly reasonable |
| 22:30.30 | graytron | is hello the best hello package in Debian? |
| 22:30.32 | peterS | x_link: I've no idea whether kubuntu includes kooldock, though |
| 22:30.42 | peterS | graytron: no I use hello-debhelper |
| 22:30.58 | graytron | is it the most advanced one? :) |
| 22:31.02 | agent | cartesian1984, peterS: i am using daily netinstall btw (todays) because i would like to get kde-desktop going via boot option (not available in etch rc1 netinstall afaik) |
| 22:31.07 | peterS | graytron: it can read mail. what more do you want from a hello program? |
| 22:31.09 | x_link | peterS: I'm talking with a guy now that uses Kubuntu, and he has Kooldock, but that's not the reason why I want to try Kubuntu |
| 22:31.17 | newbie77 | jelly-home: I have no idea, but /dev/sda3 was mounted successfully |
| 22:31.19 | x_link | peterS: + I don't want to leave this channel if I will change. |
| 22:31.19 | graytron | peterS: wow :) |
| 22:31.29 | x_link | I will want to be in the #Debian channels that I'm in now. |
| 22:31.30 | cahoot | x_link: wouldn't it be a bit overkill to change distro just because you lack one app? |
| 22:31.45 | peterS | graytron: then again so can the other two hello packages - they're all from the same source (GNU hello) |
| 22:31.47 | graytron | peterS: seriously though. is it the best example of the hello examples? |
| 22:32.00 | x_link | cahoot: Like I said, I DON'T want to change cause of that progra, |
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| 22:32.01 | graytron | for debian |
| 22:32.31 | x_link | cahoot: + I never said I will change, I wanted to try it. I will soon get 2-4 P IIIs, I thought I could try to install Kubuntu on of those machines and see what it's like. |
| 22:32.35 | peterS | graytron: the hello package is an example of how to produce a GNU style source code program in C. the three hello packages (hello, hello-dbs and hello-debhelper) demonstrate Debian packaging. most people including me use debhelper for packaging so I'd use hello-debhelper for that purpose |
| 22:33.06 | graytron | peterS: thanks a lot |
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| 22:33.07 | jelly-home | newbie77: my guess is scsi-disk support is compiled in-kernel. |
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| 22:33.35 | debfanman | peterS: became a packager over the years have you? |
| 22:33.36 | peterS | graytron: while you're at it you'll want to investigate dh-make and, most importantly, read the newmaint guide linked from www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 22:33.53 | peterS | debfanman: yeah I started dabbling in that stuff around '99 or 2000 |
| 22:33.53 | jelly-home | newbie77: the simplest thing to do would probably be to boot a livecd which has decent support for USB |
| 22:33.55 | graytron | peterS: ta |
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| 22:34.14 | agent | x_link: I myself am an ubuntu user that is switching to Debian (I have used linux for many years) and you should know that kde is just as good in Debian as in Ubuntu. And if you are missing a package, it is probably available for Debian somewhere just like for Ubuntu. If you want to try another distro, try Fedora or Gentoo. Ubuntu is very, very similar to Debian. |
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| 22:34.30 | debfanman | peterS: never could sit down and learn "proper" debian packaging beyond a simple all in one package |
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| 22:34.34 | newbie77 | jelly-home: which live CD would you suggest? |
| 22:34.50 | peterS | debfanman: before that I was merely a consumer of debian packages, the only work I did for debian was submitting the occasional bug report and/or patch |
| 22:35.08 | newbie77 | jelly-home: is sd_mod necessary for USB even if scsi-disk support is compiled into the kernel? |
| 22:35.08 | debfanman | peterS: about where i am and always have been :) |
| 22:35.16 | x_link | agent: Gentoo is to hard I heard, I LOVE apt-get etc, that's why I want a debian based distro. |
| 22:35.17 | jelly-home | newbie77: I personally like grml.org, but any recent livecd that you can strap dd_rescue on would be sufficient |
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| 22:35.31 | peterS | newbie77: no, sd_mod is the same thing as 'scsi disk support'. |
| 22:35.42 | x_link | agent: I just heard that there is newer versions of progams etc. for Kubuntu, and that Kubuntu is faster, what they meant with faster I don't know. |
| 22:35.43 | agent | debfanman: there is a very good book called "Debian System" by Krafft and is available in the US and EU. It is very informative about Debian and *very* useful. |
| 22:35.53 | debfanman | peterS: :p |
| 22:35.58 | peterS | debfanman: multi-binary packages are stupidly simple when you use debhelper properly. debhelper really does abtract out most of the complexity |
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| 22:36.13 | jelly-home | agent: "The Beauty of the Debian System"? |
| 22:36.13 | [H]3b0R | what do i need to get iwconfig to work? |
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| 22:36.52 | debfanman | peterS: ltns :) |
| 22:37.12 | peterS | I know a lot of debian fans, your nick isn't very descriptive |
| 22:37.32 | newbie77 | jelly-home: do you know that grml really has decent USB support? |
| 22:37.33 | debfanman | lol, sorry. you know how it is :) |
| 22:37.40 | newbie77 | (if) |
| 22:37.49 | agent | x_link: it is definetly *not* faster because Ubuntu just used Debian packages anyway plus they install more stuff which actually makes it slower. And newer version of packages is not true if you cound Debian Testing, Unstable and Experimental (Ubuntu gets their packages mostly from Unstable and Experimental). In fact, it has older packages because Ubuntu has a 6mo release cycle where all packages are *not* updated for 6mo except f |
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| 22:38.32 | x_link | agent: Okey, thanks for telling me this., |
| 22:38.36 | peterS | agent: it's not fair to compare debian unstable with ubuntu stable. ubuntu has an unstable branch too |
| 22:38.48 | debfanman | peterS: not the fastest car on the block though ;P |
| 22:38.52 | agent | jelly-home: no, the book is called "Debian System: Concepts and Techniques" by Martin Krafft (a Debian developer) |
| 22:38.53 | jelly-home | newbie77: well, I installed this machine from an usb disk using it, so I guess yes. But anything like ubuntu or Knoppix should be good enough. |
| 22:38.55 | x_link | the funny thing is this... |
| 22:39.18 | x_link | If you install KDE on 2 machines, but 2 different distros. Then I would proberly think that it's the same distro as well. |
| 22:39.19 | agent | peterS: yes it is fair becase Ubuntu takes their packages from Debian Unstable :) |
| 22:39.32 | newbie77 | jelly-home: I'm on Knoppix 5.1 now |
| 22:39.35 | agent | peterS: Ubuntu stable is nothing even close to Debian stable in terms of "stability" |
| 22:39.45 | x_link | Cause the thing is that I only see the screen, I don't understand much what's going on under the GUI, if yuo understand what I mean. |
| 22:39.46 | peterS | agent: no it is not fair, never mind where they take their packages from, saying "they don't have updated packages" while ignoring their unstable branch is dumb |
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| 22:40.10 | jelly-home | newbie77: ah, I thought you were using a rescue cd and ircing from another machine |
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| 22:42.01 | agent | peterS: Ubuntu does not have an unstable branch like Debian. They do not even have branches. They do not have distribs ala Debian. They have release and pre-release. There is a big difference. Try to use a release version (Edgy) with non-release (Feisty) packages like you can with Debian Testing and Unstable and you will hose your system. It is never done. |
| 22:42.44 | abrotman | why are we even discussing this ? |
| 22:42.50 | agent | No idea |
| 22:42.51 | agent | :D |
| 22:42.51 | peterS | agent: you are ignoring debian stable in the equation. you talk about debian testing and unstable, but in ubuntu you talk about their stable release. |
| 22:43.04 | agent | so |
| 22:43.08 | peterS | agent: don't use stable and unstable packages together, don't use edgy and feisty packages together. |
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| 22:43.22 | agent | how do i do a netinstall via usb cdrom? |
| 22:43.22 | peterS | I don't think either state makes much sense |
| 22:43.56 | abrotman | i believe the sarge installer kind of freaks out .. but works correctly with etch isntaller |
| 22:44.27 | agent | abrotman: so my "cannot load cdrom module" error is just because I am using a daily build? |
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| 22:44.54 | abrotman | perhaps .. |
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| 22:45.04 | abrotman | perhaps ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:45.19 | newbie77 | jelly-home debfanman: I need to get something to eat :-) But thank you very much for your help!! CU later maybe. |
| 22:45.24 | agent | abrotman: ok, thank you. :) |
| 22:46.19 | agent | does the etch rc1 netinstall (non daily) have an option to install kde-desktop or is this a daily only feature for now? |
| 22:46.20 | jelly-home | me hungry eat good. ugh. |
| 22:46.48 | lunaphyte | what methods can i use to figure out why a machine is suddenly spontaneously rebooting following a dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:47.32 | jelly-home | what would I need to build an etch chroot on a stable installation? |
| 22:47.34 | agent | lunaphyte: if it is doing that on boot it maybe a kernel problem or a grub problem... sounds strange that though |
| 22:47.44 | jelly-home | bcakported debootstrap? |
| 22:48.03 | x_link | Some people have told me that I'm "dumb" using LILO, that I should change to GRUB. |
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| 22:48.17 | x_link | I mean, they both just start Linux, what's the difference? |
| 22:48.26 | pci_ | hi |
| 22:48.26 | agent | jelly-home: yeah, deboostrap but not sure it would have to be backported... just wget the deb and use ar to extract it and that may work (instead of installing the deb system wide) |
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| 22:48.38 | dondelelcaro | x_link: that's like asking what the difference is between linux and windows, I mean, they're both just operating systems. |
| 22:48.53 | graytron | x_link: you should really use vim also :) |
| 22:48.55 | Kevin` | grub has filesystem support, you can load a different kernel or other file, load from other partitions, and it doesn't need to be reinstalled when you update the kernel |
| 22:49.03 | lunaphyte | agent: not on boot. there don't appear to be any problems during boot, processes all start fine - the machine runs for what appears to be an arbitrary length of time, then suddenly reboots. |
| 22:49.23 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro some people WOULD ask that, and think like that |
| 22:49.29 | agent | x_link: grub is usually recommended by most distributions because it is kept up to date better and has more options |
| 22:49.33 | agent | lunaphyte: is it a laptop? |
| 22:49.40 | lunaphyte | agent: no |
| 22:49.53 | agent | lunaphyte: oh, i was going to suggest overheating :) |
| 22:50.05 | dondelelcaro | Kevin`: sure; some people think the world is flat too... doesn't make it particularly valid or useful. |
| 22:50.06 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I do get the idea that boot loader developers tend to get an inflated sense of the importance of a boot loader. for most people, it only does one little job, once a month, and so long as it can do that job, we don't need mad features |
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| 22:50.36 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, but there are some things that a bootloader does that are really important, especially when you have a machine that must boot |
| 22:50.37 | peterS | like hpa for example wanted to make syslinux into a sort of miniature OS. wtf. |
| 22:51.07 | x_link | agent: Up to date? |
| 22:51.16 | x_link | I think I need to read about this startprograms. |
| 22:51.23 | Kevin` | peterS that can be very useful in some cases |
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| 22:51.28 | lunaphyte | agent: i'd normally be inclined to think hardware too, but it seems so coincidental. this machine has been running for months - 24x7. i do a dist-upgrade last weekend, suddenly it's acting like this. |
| 22:51.31 | x_link | I thought GRUB and LILO just loaded Linux/Linux kernel |
| 22:51.43 | peterS | Kevin`: we don't need another OS that runs in x86 real mode, we have freedos |
| 22:51.45 | graytron | in an emergency, grub is better |
| 22:51.55 | Kevin` | DOS is crap :) |
| 22:52.09 | dvs | x_link: wait until you have a problem with the master boot record. |
| 22:52.12 | peterS | x_link: the main selling point of grub is that it's more robust - it's harder to break it. even if you misconfigure it, you can still boot linux if you have a bit of grub savvy |
| 22:52.18 | x_link | I just deleted my kooldock dir. |
| 22:52.22 | x_link | rm -rf /use/share/doc/kooldock can I do that now? |
| 22:52.37 | peterS | x_link: whereas lilo is quite fragile - it works great so long as you never screw it up, but when you do, it's time to break out the bootable CDROM |
| 22:52.50 | peterS | x_link: dpkg --purge kooldock |
| 22:52.55 | x_link | ok |
| 22:53.00 | agent | lunaphyte: i do not mean it is purely hardware, it may be that some software stopped working or has some weird option on that makes your hardwar act strange - for example, acpi disabling laptop mode (i know its not a laptop) which causes fans not to come on which causes overheating which causes freeze/reboot |
| 22:53.15 | jelly-home | peterS: otoh, lilo has more workarounds and is easier to configure for RAID setups |
| 22:53.17 | lunaphyte | agent: hmmm. |
| 22:53.35 | x_link | peterS: So far when I have removed files/programs I have done it with apt-get remove "programname" |
| 22:53.37 | peterS | jelly-home: I give you 'easier to configure for raid1' |
| 22:53.38 | graytron | my 3ware raid doesn't care about bootloader |
| 22:53.46 | x_link | But is it not better to do "apt-get remove --purge "programname" ? |
| 22:53.47 | Kevin` | jelly-home will lilo work for raid5? |
| 22:53.47 | jelly-home | peterS: and of course if lilo breaks, that's why I always leave a bootable cdrom with grub in the drive ;-) |
| 22:53.47 | peterS | x_link: well that works too |
| 22:54.06 | x_link | It seems like apt-get remove --purge "programname" removese more files. |
| 22:54.13 | peterS | Kevin`: I don't think any peecee boot loader works for raid5 |
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| 22:54.23 | x_link | peterS: But apt-get remove NEVER removes all the files. I don't get that and that's annoying. |
| 22:54.30 | Kevin` | linux+kexec would I suppose |
| 22:54.30 | x_link | Is there a command that deleted everything? |
| 22:54.38 | Kevin` | like linuxbios |
| 22:54.44 | peterS | x_link: 'apt-get --purge remove' or 'dpkg --purge' does though |
| 22:54.47 | jelly-home | Kevin`: I only do raid1 on boot devices, so I don't know |
| 22:55.05 | x_link | peterS: Okey |
| 22:55.06 | cahoot | x_link: I really think you should benefit from a visit to tldp.org - there are lots of docs on various aspects of linux - 'The Introduction to Linux' might be a good start |
| 22:55.19 | peterS | x_link: the reason 'remove' and 'purge' are two different things is for the convenience of removing a package but leaving all your customizations in place, so that if you ever decide to reinstall it, you don't have to configure it, it's already configured the same as it was before |
| 22:55.23 | x_link | cahoot: I will.. I'm reading this swedish book right now. |
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| 22:55.53 | Reiser_X | Question about gnugk |
| 22:55.58 | x_link | But I will read there as well.. the thing is that the english gets a bit to hard for me when I read that much, alot of things I don't understand and that messes up everything. |
| 22:55.59 | lunaphyte | any thoughts on the output of sensors? http://rafb.net/p/D1VBF172.html |
| 22:56.11 | Reiser_X | i installed gnugk, and use passwd ti define 2 users |
| 22:56.15 | agent | lunaphyte: did you use aptitude to do the upgrade? |
| 22:56.22 | Reiser_X | Computer A have GNUGK installed |
| 22:56.25 | Kevin` | anyone here want to help me port a small linux 2.4 block driver to 2.6? |
| 22:56.32 | Reiser_X | Computer B is a Client |
| 22:56.48 | Reiser_X | in Computer B i am using gnomemeeting to test gnugk |
| 22:56.51 | agent | lunaphyte: also try setting top on and see if any process goes nuts and review your logs |
| 22:57.23 | Reiser_X | i make a call to computer A running gnomemeeting too |
| 22:57.27 | Reiser_X | all work fine |
| 22:57.41 | Reiser_X | but, it don't request password |
| 22:57.59 | Reiser_X | anther question is, how to useit from internet? |
| 22:58.06 | enouf | agent: IIRC , if you boot the etch cd and choose expert, and pass the kernel tasksel=kdesktop you will end up with kde instead of gnome |
| 22:58.50 | graytron | how does Gnome compare to KDE? |
| 22:59.52 | jelly-home | !start a de war |
| 22:59.54 | enouf | agent: oh .. I think also you can't use the GUI installer, ou need text mode only for that |
| 23:00.13 | Kevin` | no kernel developers that want to help me? :( |
| 23:00.23 | agent | enouf: on the normal etch netinstall rc1 release cd? I ask because only on the daily was the task kde-dekstop listed in the help menu on cd boot (F8) |
| 23:00.38 | jelly-home | Kevin`: maybe in ##kernel or on lkml? |
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| 23:01.11 | peterS | Kevin`: you want irc.oftc.net #kernelnewbiew |
| 23:01.14 | peterS | #kernelnewbies even |
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| 23:04.54 | x_link | Hrmm |
| 23:05.12 | enouf | agent: must be a new offering :-) |
| 23:05.20 | x_link | This question is not about deiban, but if somebody that has not registered his nick wants to pm me. |
| 23:05.26 | x_link | is that impossible on Freenode? |
| 23:06.14 | twobitsprite | x_link: tell them to reg thier nick... it's not hard |
| 23:06.27 | agent | enouf: from what I have read, it is indeed a new offering but I am having trouble using daily netinstall right now :( |
| 23:06.29 | enouf | agent: I don;t know for sure if it's available of RC1, but i think it is (but not listed as you say) .. but maybe not on the older etch beta3 installer |
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| 23:07.32 | x_link | twobitsprite: heheeh |
| 23:07.52 | enouf | x_link: apt-get remove <pkg> (no --purge) is for when you want to remove a pkg, but perhaps liked the config you had setup previously, in case you want to reinstall it |
| 23:08.07 | x_link | ok |
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| 23:08.31 | enouf | x_link: now be a good x_link , and read the scroll back about your questions concerning lilo and grub differences, and why a specific bootloader can be important |
| 23:08.43 | enouf | agent: what's the issue? |
| 23:08.59 | mike | Hello, I am having a problem with mysql restarting in debian if anyone could offer some assistance. |
| 23:09.06 | Supaplex | !ntldr |
| 23:09.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntldr is bootstrap Debian Installer into NTLDR from http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 23:09.15 | Supaplex | hah cool. |
| 23:09.17 | x_link | enouf: I will apt-cache search grub now and see if I can get it |
| 23:09.45 | enouf | x_link: you have BACKUPs this tije .. right? |
| 23:09.55 | enouf | er s/tije/time* |
| 23:10.08 | x_link | backup on what? |
| 23:10.11 | x_link | My progams etc? |
| 23:10.14 | enouf | hah! |
| 23:10.23 | Supaplex | your stick shift ;) |
| 23:10.32 | enouf | reverse gears man |
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| 23:10.52 | Supaplex | the wheels on .... eh nm :-D |
| 23:10.58 | enouf | superman inverse rotatonal earth spin supercowpowers |
| 23:11.07 | enouf | er rotational |
| 23:11.08 | x_link | Thanks for explain "remove" "purge". Now I understand why xfce still looked the same and had the same settings when I did apt-get remove xfce4 and then apt-ge inslal xfce4 =) |
| 23:11.15 | x_link | enouf: I don't know what you mean |
| 23:11.17 | x_link | Never min |
| 23:11.19 | x_link | +d |
| 23:11.27 | enouf | x_link: smile .. :-) |
| 23:11.40 | lunaphyte | agent: i used apt-get. i've been watching the logs - the machine seems to just get the carpet yanked out from under it. |
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| 23:11.49 | stoned | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409472 <-- concerning this bug, I have sid on my laptop as well, and it is uptodate, and I can use the proper condensed fonts on KDE. If this is a known KDE bug then its not consistent? What should I do here? I know for a fact DejaVu Serif Condensed shows up in sid and it is selectable in KDE |
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| 23:12.03 | abrotman | still>!!?!? |
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| 23:12.22 | enouf | what's a font? |
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| 23:13.42 | jduggan | Hi, if i install 2.6.18 kernel from backports, will it work automagically for an md0 root |
| 23:13.42 | Supaplex | stoned: reportbug can follow up on bugs. if it works for you, and noone else has said so, let them know |
| 23:14.09 | cbr | can i run a i386 debian on top of linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64? |
| 23:14.10 | stoned | ok |
| 23:14.12 | mike | Hello |
| 23:14.32 | abrotman | cbr: in a chroot |
| 23:14.49 | cbr | abrotman: why is it in the i386 distribution then? |
| 23:14.49 | Supaplex | jduggan: sounds like a safe bet. keep the old kernel around until you're satisfied with the new one. |
| 23:14.54 | abrotman | stoned: or maybe ask #debian-kde ? |
| 23:14.54 | enouf | !ia32-libs |
| 23:15.00 | abrotman | cbr: eh ? |
| 23:15.10 | enouf | oh well |
| 23:15.17 | abrotman | cbr: mment |
| 23:15.25 | abrotman | cbr: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 23:15.31 | abrotman | cbr: see .. not in i386! |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 sid |
| 23:16.06 | jduggan | Supaplex: ive had troubles with building my own kernel that can mount root on md0, ive created correct initrd's and also added everything into the kernel, not as modules, do dont really know where im going wrong... i'll be doing this remotely if someone can confirm that it *shouldnt* have any problems with an md0 root |
| 23:16.08 | abrotman | !+info linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64 sid |
| 23:16.10 | dpkg | Package 'linux-image-2.6.18-4-amd64' does not exist. |
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| 23:16.25 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.25 | cbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.38 | cbr | http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20070202T141726Z.html |
| 23:16.40 | enouf | agent: very recent as in today |
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| 23:16.44 | enouf | er abrotman |
| 23:16.57 | Supaplex | jduggan: ahh, good point. I hadn't considered remote :) |
| 23:17.01 | abrotman | enouf: what?! |
| 23:17.16 | abrotman | enouf: everything is out of date! |
| 23:17.19 | enouf | 2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 23:17.41 | Supaplex | his mom is on a date? wooouuu |
| 23:17.50 | abrotman | cbr: fine ..y es .. you can run a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland |
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| 23:18.10 | Bogus8 | anyone buy a good case lately? |
| 23:18.17 | cbr | abrotman: what about nvidia-kernel? |
| 23:18.17 | Bogus8 | something solid for a business |
| 23:18.22 | Bogus8 | I hate case shopping |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | cbr: nfc |
| 23:18.30 | abrotman | Bogus8: ask #hardware |
| 23:18.40 | Bogus8 | abrotman: your no fun :p |
| 23:18.45 | abrotman | you're |
| 23:18.52 | Bogus8 | abrotman: see what I mean ;) |
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| 23:19.15 | hukerg | K |
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| 23:20.30 | jduggan | so is anyone able to confirm that a backports 2.6.18 kernel will have no problems mounting an md0 root? |
| 23:20.41 | abrotman | try it! :) |
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| 23:21.04 | agent | enouf: it is a bug in the installer and i will debug it later (i talked with the boot devs) |
| 23:21.18 | enouf | jduggan: what is the base system? Sarge? |
| 23:21.20 | agent | enouf: cheers! (and yes, as in todays daily build) |
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| 23:21.32 | enouf | agent: ok .. cool |
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| 23:21.52 | x_link | peterS: Thank you for ALL help and support you gave me today, I really appreicate it ALOT! Thanks |
| 23:22.01 | jduggan | enouf: its sarge yea, at the moment im using kmuto's install cd with a 2.6.19 kernel because of sata/pata problems |
| 23:22.16 | x_link | Now it's dvd time and then bed time |
| 23:22.20 | x_link | Good night everybody! |
| 23:22.21 | enouf | jduggan: I recall some of that info |
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| 23:22.30 | jduggan | enouf: i believe i spoke to you yesterday morning |
| 23:22.41 | enouf | jduggan: yep |
| 23:23.05 | enouf | jduggan: you're trying to get SMP enabled |
| 23:23.14 | jduggan | enouf: im having a horrid time getting my kernel to boot off md0 root, initrd is initialised, i see info on md0.. but i get a kernel panic unknown root device /dev/md0 |
| 23:23.14 | LinuxNIT | what do i need to isntall to get htmlview? |
| 23:23.17 | jduggan | enouf: correct |
| 23:23.39 | jduggan | enouf: where my kernel = a custom built kernel |
| 23:23.46 | abrotman | !tell LinuxNIT about search |
| 23:24.07 | xingu | cbr: in a word - yuck. :) |
| 23:24.09 | enouf | jduggan: you CAN successfuly boot the md0 using kmuto's kernel? |
| 23:24.10 | Supaplex | LinuxNIT: apt-get ;-) |
| 23:24.15 | jduggan | enouf: indeed |
| 23:24.34 | jduggan | enouf: its a completely working system minus smp using kmuto's kernel :( |
| 23:24.43 | enouf | jduggan: then a BPO one should work as long as it has support for your hardware |
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| 23:25.08 | jduggan | enouf: i believe 2.6.18< has all support i need |
| 23:25.09 | Barber3 | hi all |
| 23:25.11 | Barber3 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM :::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com ... |
| 23:25.13 | jduggan | !BPO |
| 23:25.13 | dpkg | backports.org is probably an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 23:25.13 | enouf | jduggan: though IIRC, that's a custom kmuto kernel meant for his personal setup :-) |
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| 23:25.44 | stoned | Supaplex: yes, I know for a fact that it works. http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/kde.jpg |
| 23:25.55 | enouf | !ops Barber3 spamming |
| 23:25.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: enouf complains about: Barber3 spamming |
| 23:26.11 | enouf | just in case you weren't watching .. |
| 23:26.13 | debfanman | wow, pron spam on irc? thats a first for #debian |
| 23:26.15 | stoned | Supaplex: that is the DejaVu Serif Condensed font. |
| 23:26.34 | abrotman | debfanman: not even close |
| 23:26.42 | LinuxNIT | Supaplex, apt-get dosent tell you what package to install to get a certain file |
| 23:27.05 | debfanman | abrotman: they been going to all new lows then recently i take it? |
| 23:27.16 | nvz | LinuxNIT: no, apt-file does |
| 23:27.21 | enouf | LinuxNIT: apt-cache search htmlview |
| 23:27.29 | abrotman | debfanman: yeah |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | enouf: he's gone .. and it's dynamic |
| 23:28.01 | enouf | abrotman: I know .. but the ops always come around later and ban the IP or whatever |
| 23:28.03 | LinuxNIT | i used apt-file and none of them listed a bin file |
| 23:28.16 | abrotman | enouf: maybe |
| 23:28.25 | enouf | abrotman: not that it does anything .. I dunno |
| 23:28.53 | enouf | LinuxNIT: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:28.55 | RvGaTe | OMG |
| 23:28.56 | nvz | enouf: with any luck a staffer klines them. when they are spamming and leaving they are probably doing it across a huge list of servers and channels |
| 23:28.58 | jelly-home | stoned: still no luck with that font? |
| 23:29.00 | stoned | there are two boxes running sid. Each is updated and runs kde. Both have ttf-dejavu installed. The font is selectable in one box, but not the other. Both boxes are pretty much configured the same |
| 23:29.05 | LinuxNIT | enouf, im on etch |
| 23:29.16 | stoned | so replying that this is a kdespecific bug doesn't make sense to me |
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| 23:29.22 | RvGaTe | quote from quakenet : "anyone know how to uninstall windows xp from a hdd (former primary, now seconday) without formatting the hdd? (if its possible..)" |
| 23:29.26 | stoned | I've tried gnome/xfce as well |
| 23:29.34 | stoned | font still doesn't show up, nowhere in X |
| 23:29.46 | stoned | it is bugging the hell outta |
| 23:29.54 | stoned | I need to find out wtf is causing this |
| 23:30.13 | enouf | kalzium-data: /usr/share/apps/kalzium/data/htmlview |
| 23:30.15 | xingu | stoned: how healthy is /var/lib/defoma? |
| 23:30.28 | LinuxNIT | enouf, i installed that |
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| 23:30.55 | jelly-home | stoned: DejaVu Sans Condensed, or DejaVu Serif Condensed? |
| 23:30.55 | enouf | LinuxNIT: a pkg or a binary? |
| 23:30.55 | stoned | xingu: there are degrees? |
| 23:31.04 | xingu | stoned: always. :) |
| 23:31.06 | stoned | jelly-home: any condensed |
| 23:31.36 | stoned | xingu: defoma seems good |
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| 23:31.45 | xingu | stoned: basically you're looking in there to make sure defoma knows about your condensed font |
| 23:31.59 | LinuxNIT | enouf, the cups webintface launcher calls htmlview to open localhost:631 (and i know i can use firefox etc.. but i wanted to see what it was like this way.) |
| 23:32.03 | xingu | stoned: quick grep working v non-working should tell you if there's a problem in that dept |
| 23:32.06 | enouf | LinuxNIT: wjhat do you need ? |
| 23:32.08 | enouf | oh |
| 23:32.10 | enouf | kdelibs4-dev: usr/include/kde/khtmlview.h |
| 23:32.19 | enouf | maybe .. or |
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| 23:33.02 | xingu | stoned: next hop from there is probably xlsfonts |
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| 23:33.38 | enouf | libgtkhtml2-dev: usr/include/gtkhtml-2.0/libgtkhtml/view/htmlview.h .. both this and previous are C header files though |
| 23:34.03 | enouf | LinuxNIT: in Gnome or KDE? |
| 23:34.04 | xingu | stoned: strictly speaking it's not necessary that a ttf font shows in the xlsfonts fontlist but it's a health check by proxy |
| 23:34.06 | LinuxNIT | gnome |
| 23:34.09 | jelly-home | xingu: xfs fonts won't help him with freetype apps, will they |
| 23:34.25 | xingu | jelly-home: precis; but see above |
| 23:34.33 | enouf | ask #cups :-) |
| 23:34.37 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 23:34.38 | LinuxNIT | ok |
| 23:34.43 | enouf | or Gnome |
| 23:34.58 | enouf | irc.gnome.org even maybe |
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| 23:35.29 | enouf | LinuxNIT: apt-file search doesn't appear to be showing anything relevant here |
| 23:35.54 | LinuxNIT | same here |
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| 23:36.29 | enouf | LinuxNIT: well it must be part of one of the cups pkgs since it's web intercrap calls it :-) |
| 23:36.51 | LinuxNIT | the webinterFACE works quite well |
| 23:36.52 | LinuxNIT | ;) |
| 23:37.04 | enouf | or .. a Gnome "embedded" app of your choosing |
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| 23:37.31 | enouf | LinuxNIT: like KDE has .. you can choose from various integrated/embedded apps for certain functions |
| 23:37.47 | LinuxNIT | kde always seems to crash on me |
| 23:37.54 | LinuxNIT | gnome seems more stable for me |
| 23:37.57 | enouf | LinuxNIT: they're jailed/limited that way (controlled via the DE wrappers) |
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| 23:38.31 | enouf | LinuxNIT: that's fine .. just find out what the correct thing is you're looking for |
| 23:38.51 | enouf | LinuxNIT: for many; No DE is fine :-) |
| 23:38.55 | LinuxNIT | :) im working on it |
| 23:38.56 | jelly-home | stoned: eh, DejaVu Condensed fonts are not very well hinted, that is to say, they're rather ugly compared to normal width |
| 23:39.05 | ThomasPorter | I'm configuring a new production server, at this stage would you recommend using Debian Sarge or Etch? As its a web-server I'd like to use PHP5 and its only avaliable on Etc. |
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| 23:39.34 | LinuxNIT | enouf, yeah ive gone the no DE route for a long time.... kind of playing around at the moment |
| 23:40.06 | stoned | jelly-home: I beg to differ. I gave link to my screenshot |
| 23:40.12 | stoned | jelly-home: I think it looks awesome |
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| 23:40.22 | stoned | jelly-home: I can't really live without that font man |
| 23:40.31 | stoned | I NEED that font in order to be on linux again |
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| 23:40.43 | enouf | nvz: apologies .. caught up in other crap .. yeah .. I see what you mean , since the staffers (can usually) control (or have access) to all the server's channels |
| 23:40.45 | Steven1 | hi |
| 23:40.47 | Steven1 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM :::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com |
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| 23:40.52 | stoned | goddamit |
| 23:40.55 | stoned | WHAT THE FUCK! |
| 23:41.01 | ThomasPorter | What the... |
| 23:41.02 | enouf | abrotman: ? |
| 23:41.06 | jelly-home | stoned: I feel the same about Tahoma. ;-) |
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| 23:41.15 | stoned | jelly-home: ugh ! |
| 23:41.16 | Hoxzer | stoned: dont get too exacated |
| 23:41.29 | enouf | excavated? |
| 23:41.32 | stoned | exacated? I'm not sure what that means |
| 23:41.34 | timewriter | hello |
| 23:41.40 | stoned | excavated? dude |
| 23:41.44 | stoned | that .. what the hell? |
| 23:41.48 | stoned | lol |
| 23:41.55 | jelly-home | stoned: dude, your DejaVu Serif Condensed is so fuzzy it makes me cry |
| 23:41.56 | enouf | L-p |
| 23:42.01 | stoned | jelly-home: I love it! |
| 23:42.14 | nvz | enouf: see what I mean.. these people arent going for wrecking this channel.. they are crawling across many channels/servers |
| 23:42.36 | enouf | nvz: I see .. so .. tell ops or no tell ops? |
| 23:42.51 | nvz | enouf: they've hit twice with different nick/user same IP |
| 23:43.01 | enouf | !ircbotattack |
| 23:43.15 | enouf | nvz: right ... so ban the f'n IP |
| 23:43.19 | stoned | jelly-home: thats the whole screenshot.. its a jpg |
| 23:43.34 | nvz | enouf: I'd try get hold of a staffer. they will often respond to !ops if they are here.. but sometimes you just gotta holler at them directly |
| 23:43.55 | nvz | enouf: this needs a kline cause they are no doubt effecting the whole network not just #debian |
| 23:44.00 | enouf | nvz: there were atleast 2 here not 5 minutes before the 1st attacvk |
| 23:44.14 | enouf | nvz: I agree |
| 23:44.28 | enouf | nvz: already used my daily ops call though |
| 23:44.34 | enouf | ^^^ |
| 23:45.11 | xand | a kline? they used completely different iP addresses each time |
| 23:45.28 | Supaplex | same whois range |
| 23:45.32 | xand | ok maybe not completely different |
| 23:45.34 | Supaplex | % Information related to '88.232.64.0 - 88.232.127.255' |
| 23:45.35 | debfanman | well, on the plus side, were slowly chewing away at the open proxies |
| 23:45.39 | nvz | xand: yeah I just realized that now |
| 23:46.33 | debfanman | nm, got a whole subnet do they? :( |
| 23:46.33 | nvz | they are probably using proxies |
| 23:46.44 | jelly-home | stoned: I see, but take a look at eg. small letters i and l in the playlist... their verticals are like 2.5 pixels wide. Also the vertical on the small h is 1.75 pixels wide. They ought to be hinted to exactly 2 pixels and not fuzzy. ;-) |
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| 23:47.47 | craigevil | An incompatible version of install-info has been found, what package is install-info in |
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| 23:48.28 | d00d | Do you know where i can a get 3.5.6 for debian etch source.list ? |
| 23:48.30 | metadata | hi |
| 23:48.32 | jelly-home | stoned: er no, they're all a bit less than 2 pixels, sorry. Unlike that, the normal version of the fonts are nicely hinted at small sizes (but they take too much horiz space). This could be a very nice font. |
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| 23:49.05 | streuner | d00d: What? |
| 23:49.30 | d00d | Do you know where i can get source.list file for KDE 3.5.6 |
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| 23:49.50 | streuner | !info konqueror etch |
| 23:49.53 | h3sp4wn | d00d: Only place it exists is experimental |
| 23:49.55 | niles | there are no man pages for libnet |
| 23:50.01 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-5 (etch), Packaged size: 1967 kB, Installed size: 5296 kB |
| 23:50.22 | abrotman | enouf: different IP |
| 23:50.37 | streuner | h3sp4wn: don't tell people here to use packages out of experimental, thanks. |
| 23:50.47 | h3sp4wn | streuner: stfu |
| 23:51.10 | h3sp4wn | streuner: he asked a question I gave the only correct anser |
| 23:51.24 | streuner | !tell h3sp4wn about experimental |
| 23:51.56 | jelly-home | d00d: why do you want 3.5.6? |
| 23:52.08 | d00d | lastest verson |
| 23:52.13 | streuner | well, there are correct answers and answers which are correct and sucks. |
| 23:52.25 | h3sp4wn | sucks is an opinion |
| 23:52.39 | jelly-home | d00d: ah, you don't want it then. These are not the droids you are looking for. |
| 23:53.39 | d00d | .. |
| 23:54.12 | robin_sz | jelly-home, telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl |
| 23:54.46 | jelly-home | robin_sz: I'm waiting for the next soccer world-cup via ascii, thanks |
| 23:55.05 | robin_sz | it wont be as good |
| 23:55.14 | robin_sz | and it will be banned in Italy |
| 23:55.29 | jelly-home | robin_sz: serves'em right! |
| 23:56.18 | streuner | h3sp4wn: sure, "sucks is an opinion", but keep in mind, many people here are new users and mentioned things maybe give them in a direction which isn't a advantage for them... |
| 23:56.19 | jelly-home | robin_sz: now, if it were in ANSI color.... ;-) |
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| 23:57.04 | robin_sz | jelly-home, we are still inthe days of black-and-white telnet .. color telnet is a thing for the future |
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| 23:57.43 | Supaplex | color? WOW |
| 23:57.53 | jelly-home | robin_sz: dude, I seen color on BBS in 80s - 90s! It exists! |
| 23:58.04 | deepwoodmenace | Hey fellas, does anyone know where /etc/network/routes is called from? I'd assume ifup, but I'm not entirely sure. Googling for "Debian /etc/network/routes" gives a dismal set of results. |
| 23:58.04 | Supaplex | what's it like? |
| 23:58.10 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 23:58.16 | Draconicus | brb |
| 23:58.24 | jelly-home | Supaplex: tastes like chicken |
| 23:58.29 | robin_sz | jelly-home, not on my DEC22 it doesnt |
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| 23:59.28 | Supaplex | deepwoodmenace: does dpkg -S /etc/network/routes show anything? |
| 23:59.28 | jelly-home | robin_sz: tphbbt, buy yerself a shiny new vt520color |
| 23:59.28 | jelly-home | or was it vt510 |
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| 23:59.34 | elshaa_ | hi. |
| 23:59.53 | robin_sz | jelly-home, nah, new fangled technology .. im waiting for the standards to stabilise before commiting |
| 23:59.54 | lunaphyte | is there an easy way to tell cron to stop doing stuff? |
