| 00:00.06 | stoned | notice the technicality, the meter signatures used, how amazing progressive it is |
| 00:00.08 | stoned | but yet |
| 00:00.17 | stoned | it remains within the confines of the western harmonic system |
| 00:00.21 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:00.23 | karmatronic | still downloadind |
| 00:00.24 | stoned | but its badass |
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| 00:01.14 | karmatronic | stoned, ron thal ? |
| 00:01.18 | stoned | i can plys songs while I download em |
| 00:01.23 | stoned | huh? |
| 00:01.33 | karmatronic | stoned, like hin? |
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| 00:01.53 | karmatronic | stoned, yeah this necro is cool ! |
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| 00:02.31 | karmatronic | stoned, but it sounds like improved malmsteen :) |
| 00:02.38 | stoned | man |
| 00:02.44 | karmatronic | just a joke |
| 00:02.45 | stoned | when muhammad gets on the stage weilding his Axe |
| 00:02.49 | stoned | people shut up |
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| 00:02.55 | stoned | they listen |
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| 00:02.57 | wimpies | Hi all, I have been trying to figure out how to create a bootable CD using k3b. It seems I need a boot.bin which seems to be a floppy image or something. Since I have no more PC with floppies I wonder How to get a boot.bin |
| 00:03.11 | karmatronic | stoned, yeah it s cool stuff |
| 00:03.12 | stoned | yes |
| 00:03.18 | stoned | he is a student of malmsteen's i think |
| 00:03.31 | stoned | lots of the swept arpeggios come from the school of malmsteen style sweeping |
| 00:03.41 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 00:03.54 | Guerin | we call it the school of narcissistic guitar-wankery' |
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| 00:04.00 | karmatronic | :) |
| 00:04.23 | stoned | yeh |
| 00:04.30 | stoned | thats what you probably say about Paganini too |
| 00:04.34 | stoned | people put him down as well |
| 00:04.35 | Guerin | yep |
| 00:04.39 | stoned | cuz he was a wanker on the violin |
| 00:04.42 | stoned | but you know nothing of music |
| 00:04.43 | stoned | my friend |
| 00:04.51 | Guerin | that's not quite true |
| 00:04.56 | stoned | you can listen |
| 00:05.01 | stoned | but do you really know? |
| 00:05.06 | stoned | sorry to make an assumption |
| 00:05.08 | jelly-home | still technique is not the only thing that makes music |
| 00:05.09 | stoned | but I dont' think I'm wrong |
| 00:05.15 | stoned | jelly-home: it isn't |
| 00:05.16 | Guerin | i don't know any of the *technical* side of music but I know quite a lot about the historical and aethetic aspects of it. |
| 00:05.21 | stoned | but one's technique shouldn't limit them |
| 00:05.38 | karmatronic | stoned, you dont have to be a musical expert to judge a musician |
| 00:05.44 | karmatronic | or a music |
| 00:05.46 | stoned | of course not |
| 00:05.50 | Guerin | stoned: the point being that technique for the sake of technique is useless |
| 00:05.52 | stoned | I completely agree |
| 00:05.59 | stoned | to you maybe |
| 00:06.04 | stoned | not to people who like listening to that stuff |
| 00:06.11 | stoned | its all subjective |
| 00:06.12 | stoned | :) |
| 00:06.13 | Guerin | well, there's no accounting for taste |
| 00:06.21 | karmatronic | luckily |
| 00:06.31 | Guerin | what I mean is techniqque which doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the ouvre |
| 00:06.34 | enouf | what's brown and sits under the piano bench? .. beethoven's last movement |
| 00:06.49 | stoned | then again meaningful is also relative |
| 00:06.59 | Guerin | it's not relative, it's arguable |
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| 00:07.14 | stoned | I feel the music that high high octane speed and shred and insanely technical finger gymastics on the notes |
| 00:07.16 | jelly-home | compiling grub? |
| 00:07.19 | stoned | I love that stuff |
| 00:07.23 | Diego_ufpr | hi, i have a problema with alsa. On each boot, i have to execute /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload. rc2.d is OK, i try to execute alsaconf + alsactl store, but without sucess. Some sugestion? |
| 00:07.30 | Guerin | relative would imply there is no actual way to measure it, when in fact there is a very long tradition of musical history |
| 00:07.31 | enouf | wimpies: go grab isolinux/syslinux from somewhere |
| 00:08.05 | stoned | no |
| 00:08.09 | stoned | it is relative. |
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| 00:08.28 | enouf | it's "subjective" |
| 00:08.30 | Guerin | stoned: `relative' is a cop-out for people who don';t want to explain themselves. |
| 00:08.30 | jelly-home | muh2000: a) why are you trying to compile grub? b) /msg dpkg b-e |
| 00:08.41 | stoned | quality of music is not measured by anything but the listener |
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| 00:08.46 | stoned | you dont' like it, you don't have to |
| 00:08.51 | Guerin | subjective is closer to being correct, but even that implies there's no way of actually evaluating it |
| 00:08.54 | stoned | but dont' sit there and say technical wankery is not good |
| 00:08.56 | robin_sz | sigh, I can tell I'm going to have to listen to this now, just to be sure ... sigh |
| 00:08.58 | stoned | or it is useless |
| 00:09.01 | Guerin | stoned: that's exactly the cop-out I'm talking about. |
| 00:09.04 | stoned | it is not, because there are peopel who like it |
| 00:09.12 | stoned | cop out? |
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| 00:09.38 | quintin | can somsone explain how to make newegg wish list plz |
| 00:09.41 | quintin | I'm confused :p |
| 00:09.43 | Guerin | stoned: the point being not whether I (or anyone) *likes* it, but whether they can perceive value in it beyond `sounds k3wl d00d' |
| 00:09.54 | Guerin | ~htfswk quintin |
| 00:10.01 | Guerin | !htfswk quintin |
| 00:10.01 | dpkg | quintin: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 00:10.19 | quintin | oh I forget |
| 00:10.20 | cast | ha! nice initialization |
| 00:10.21 | stoned | Guerin: some tonalities produced by the ultimate technical wankers of death metal has made me so emotional at times. |
| 00:10.27 | quintin | you use the computers provided by your communist government |
| 00:10.29 | stoned | I don't understand what you're talking about |
| 00:10.33 | Guerin | stoned: that says more about you than anything else. |
| 00:10.33 | quintin | forgive me :( |
| 00:10.47 | Guerin | quintin: ? |
| 00:10.49 | stoned | and their ability to percieve has nothing to do with the music |
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| 00:10.55 | Guerin | stoned: nope. |
| 00:10.56 | stoned | the music is not responsible for their perception |
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| 00:11.47 | stoned | someone like me, percieves every piece of music, microscopically. I sit there and think why this note was chosen or used and I can hear every single note and I wondery why |
| 00:11.55 | stoned | based on what I know, base don my schemas |
| 00:11.57 | Guerin | if you can argue that shred contributes in some substantial way to the ouvre of guitar music, by all means do so. WHat I'm saying is that it doesn't come down to `i like it therefore it's valuable' |
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| 00:12.14 | stoned | someone who just knows music as a listener, probably couldn't appreciate it |
| 00:12.14 | wimpies | enouf : how does syslinux help me in creating a bootable CD ? |
| 00:12.29 | robin_sz | well, music is art ... and by the same token you then have to accept that the Mona Lisa is 'good' too .. and a little further down the line you end up tinking that someone who pickles a cow in formaldeyhde or arranges 100 bricks in a pile is a great artist also ... |
| 00:12.33 | stoned | technical wankery means simply this. Your technique does not limit the kind of sound you want to produce. |
| 00:12.37 | enouf | wimpies: rtfm |
| 00:12.42 | stoned | it has nothing to do with showing off finger gymnastics |
| 00:12.44 | Guerin | stoned: and PLEASE don't try to assert some sort of superiority because you like something others don't. That's just retarded. |
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| 00:12.56 | stoned | Guerin: when did I say this? |
| 00:13.06 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.14 | stoned | exactly |
| 00:13.15 | stoned | it is true |
| 00:13.28 | jelly-home | stoned: perhaps one can't appreciate the effort put into creating it, but can surely appreciate the result |
| 00:13.45 | Guerin | that's you saying `shred is too complicated for your puny brain to understand, therefore it must be valuable' |
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| 00:14.24 | stoned | if you know music very good, and you listen to it, the awe is more.. oh wow, so hes doing this now, ahh and hes doing this now.. you can vizalize what is being done on theinstrument, it makes it eve more enjoyable. as a listener, its only like, oh, that sounds good, and that sound good. |
| 00:14.29 | stoned | what is hard to understand |
| 00:14.31 | stoned | thats it |
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| 00:14.35 | stoned | Guerin: your assuming things and putting words in mymouth |
| 00:14.36 | stoned | don't do that |
| 00:14.42 | stoned | and no I'm not saying that |
| 00:14.47 | deb_noob | can anyone link me to a wine chroot how-to page? |
| 00:14.50 | Guerin | stoned: no, you just explained exactly what I'm trying to say. |
| 00:14.57 | robin_sz | OK, I listened. yes its guitar, but a bit sloppy |
| 00:15.02 | Guerin | deb_noob: ask in #debian-amd64 |
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| 00:15.21 | stoned | Guerin: what/ |
| 00:15.26 | stoned | you're attacking me |
| 00:15.31 | Guerin | no, i'm not at all |
| 00:15.31 | wimpies | enouf : was reading it but is VERY terse. man page says it can be used but does not explain how ... will check google now for howto |
| 00:15.31 | stoned | I'm simply discusisng music |
| 00:15.59 | Supaplex | let's call the waaahhhhbulance |
| 00:16.04 | Guerin | stoned: your whole argument here is `im more 1337 tahn u bcoz i leik teh shred' |
| 00:16.20 | stoned | Guerin: no.. that is your defensive perpection |
| 00:16.28 | stoned | now is becomeing personal instead of a discussion |
| 00:16.34 | Guerin | nope |
| 00:16.37 | Supaplex | so drop it! |
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| 00:17.14 | robin_sz | stoned, the last time I fell out with you was baecause you took someting personally that was notintended, so I dont think you have room to talk on that one |
| 00:17.30 | stoned | robin_sz: I have no idea what you're on about |
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| 00:17.42 | enouf | !paranoid stoned |
| 00:18.02 | enouf | :-p |
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| 00:18.03 | deb_noob | Guerin: nobody is answering in debian-amd64 |
| 00:18.03 | mikearthur | how can I make make-kpkg build a linux-kernel-image package rather than linux-image? |
| 00:18.03 | Kevin25 | hi |
| 00:18.12 | Kevin25 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com |
| 00:18.14 | Kevin25 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com .. |
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| 00:18.18 | Supaplex | !ops keith80403 |
| 00:18.19 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: supaplex complains about: keith80403 |
| 00:18.21 | stoned | all I'm saying is that other musicians can appreciate a fellow musician better than non musicians |
| 00:18.24 | Supaplex | er Kevin25 |
| 00:18.25 | jelly-home | Supaplex: oops |
| 00:18.26 | Guerin | deb_noob: piav |
| 00:18.27 | stoned | its not hard to understand |
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| 00:18.33 | deb_noob | piav? |
| 00:18.34 | LoRez | asshat. |
| 00:18.36 | Gnurdux | TurkTelekom |
| 00:18.36 | Guerin | stoned: ... and all I'm saying is that's elitist bullshit |
| 00:18.45 | Supaplex | let's just ban that part of turkey |
| 00:18.47 | muh2000 | jelly-home build-essential is installed and newest |
| 00:18.48 | stoned | Guerin: no its logic |
| 00:18.48 | Gnurdux | both of the Exotics people are from TurkTelecom |
| 00:18.56 | Gnurdux | inetnum: 88.232.64.0 - 88.232.127.255 |
| 00:19.31 | enouf | Supaplex: er .. /nick wrong .. hehe .. and also, next time, post a reason --> "spamming porn" |
| 00:19.34 | stoned | Guerin: take a guy, whos never known anything about classical music.. have him listen to a a few pieces and then ask him to comment on it. Its style, texture, technique, strategies used, theory involved and used. |
| 00:19.48 | stoned | Guerin: his opinion wil be of a listener. he will say ok, it sounded good or it didnt |
| 00:19.57 | Supaplex | enouf: yea, tabcomplete missed just as he left. my bad. :) |
| 00:19.57 | stoned | Guerin: now ask another classical musician the same thing |
| 00:20.03 | jelly-home | muh2000: can you do echo "main(){return 0;}" > a.c; cc a.c ? |
| 00:20.06 | stoned | and he will be able to appreciate the music better |
| 00:20.11 | stoned | it is not a hard concept |
| 00:20.14 | enouf | clarify to ops then .. somehow |
| 00:20.15 | deb_noob | Guerin: nobody is answering, do you have the link? |
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| 00:20.29 | Supaplex | k |
| 00:20.33 | Guerin | stoned: don't try to convince me of this, I went to film school and have had the same argument a hundred million times with snooty film geeks. The issue I take is not with your overall analysis but with your definition of `better'. |
| 00:20.41 | muh2000 | jelly-home well no response from bash with that |
| 00:20.45 | Guerin | deb_noob: no. Google does. |
| 00:21.20 | jelly-home | muh2000: did it create an executable called "a.out"? |
| 00:21.30 | stoned | Guerin: ok, let is discuss better.. we must reach clarity on the subject. I mean better as in, a more involved analysis of the piece of music. More in depth. |
| 00:21.50 | muh2000 | jelly-home yes |
| 00:21.59 | stoned | Guerin: if knowledge of music more, the perception towards music changes and becomes a lot more critical |
| 00:22.11 | Supaplex | enouf: can we atleast blacklist the url? :) |
| 00:22.13 | jelly-home | muh2000: well, cc works then. |
| 00:22.24 | Guerin | stoned: this is off-topic. All I'll say is that things other than analysis are important, and things other than the actual notes are important, too. |
| 00:22.38 | stoned | Guerin: and I don't disagree |
| 00:22.47 | stoned | texture, feel, timing, stroke |
| 00:22.50 | stoned | everything is important |
| 00:22.50 | muh2000 | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 00:22.52 | deb_noob | does anyone know what packages the 32bit opengl are? |
| 00:23.07 | stoned | its the same thing |
| 00:23.18 | stoned | a linux noob comes in here and starts to critisize linux |
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| 00:23.28 | Guerin | stoned: again; you're talking about purely technical things. This is the point: you're privileging technical aspects over everything. This is characteristic of shredders. |
| 00:23.37 | stoned | you're gonna be like, dude stfu cuz you don't know about linux |
| 00:23.42 | stoned | same thing applies to music |
| 00:23.55 | MatBoy | someone else successfull with mounting a Nokia Phone for storage ? |
| 00:23.58 | stoned | a listener is not the same perception as another musician |
| 00:24.02 | Supaplex | stoned: more like stfu because you can't take this OT where it blongs :p |
| 00:24.05 | Guerin | MatBoy: very unlikely, unless it's UMS. |
| 00:24.18 | muh2000 | jelly-home with another ./configure...:checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 00:24.18 | jelly-home | muh2000: I think configure creates a log of some sort... try looking at it to see what was the exact command used |
| 00:24.29 | MatBoy | Guerin, Nokia :) |
| 00:24.42 | stoned | Guerin: umm... feeling the music is universal.. not only shredder |
| 00:24.48 | jelly-home | muh2000: do you have TMPDIR pointing to a non-writable directory perhaps? |
| 00:25.11 | stoned | ad hominum |
| 00:25.14 | stoned | Guerin: I understand |
| 00:25.17 | stoned | I'll shut up now |
| 00:25.24 | stoned | have at it |
| 00:25.31 | robin_sz | tfft |
| 00:25.36 | MatBoy | wow it does :D |
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| 00:25.43 | justin | muh2000: don't guess. read config.log |
| 00:25.45 | muh2000 | jelly-belly TMPDIR ? config.log: configure: exit 77 |
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| 00:26.08 | jelly-home | muh2000: you'll have to read and understand more than just the last line. |
| 00:26.33 | jelly-home | muh2000: pastebin it, or at least last 200 lines of it. |
| 00:26.41 | MatBoy | Guerin, it's seen as SCSI :P |
| 00:26.46 | mikearthur | how can I make make-kpkg build a linux-kernel-image package rather than linux-image? |
| 00:27.26 | HornyPony | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --append-to-version=-some-string-here kernel-image ? |
| 00:27.33 | jelly-home | muh2000: TMPDIR is an environment variable which programs, gcc among them, use as a pointer where to store temporary files. |
| 00:27.48 | HornyPony | mikearthur, try that |
| 00:27.52 | jelly-home | muh2000: echo $TMPDIR in shell would show its value if it was set |
| 00:27.55 | HornyPony | i dont know much of debian-based |
| 00:28.02 | HornyPony | my primary desktop is freebsd |
| 00:28.28 | mikearthur | HornyPony: doesn't work |
| 00:28.41 | jelly-home | HornyPony: you can delete that "--append-to-version=-some-string-here " part, it'll still work |
| 00:28.55 | jduggan | hi, how would one add static routing entries to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:28.55 | muh2000 | jelly-home http://nopaste.info/6f4dc45251.html |
| 00:29.00 | jduggan | would like to know the syntax |
| 00:29.13 | mikearthur | jelly-home, HornyPony: that makes a linux-image, not linux-kernel-image |
| 00:29.30 | jelly-home | mikearthur: yeah, it was changed some time ago |
| 00:29.42 | mikearthur | why is that, and how do I change it? |
| 00:29.49 | jelly-home | mikearthur: because Debian runs on more than just Linux |
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| 00:30.05 | jelly-home | mikearthur: so kernel-image is not really accurate |
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| 00:30.27 | mikearthur | jelly-home: then why is it used for the kernel-packages in etch? |
| 00:30.47 | HornyPony | btw, why does firefox crash, whenever it trys to load macromedia flash? |
| 00:30.48 | mikearthur | woops, I lied |
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| 00:30.55 | mikearthur | I meant how do I make linux-kernel-headers |
| 00:30.59 | jelly-home | mikearthur: My etch has linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 ... |
| 00:31.07 | mikearthur | sorry, my mistake |
| 00:31.11 | mikearthur | I have been mistyping |
| 00:31.31 | mikearthur | I want a linux-kernel-headers, and make-kpkg gives me linux-headers instead |
| 00:31.36 | stoned | hi |
| 00:31.39 | justin | mikearthur: why do you care? |
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| 00:31.45 | HornyPony | uhm |
| 00:31.47 | jelly-home | mikearthur: nothing wrong with that, either |
| 00:31.52 | mikearthur | justin: because everything depends on linux-kernel-headers |
| 00:31.53 | HornyPony | just add kernel-headers to my line |
| 00:31.54 | stoned | i don't know anything about debian.. I've never used it... but i know it sucks |
| 00:31.56 | HornyPony | it will make both |
| 00:32.16 | mikearthur | HornyPony: it will make linux-headers, not linux-kernel-headers |
| 00:32.27 | quintin | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811156187 |
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| 00:33.18 | jelly-home | muh2000: Looks like you're crosscompiling or at least trying to compile a 32bit binary on a 64bit system, I have little experience with that. |
| 00:33.21 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:33.47 | jelly-home | muh2000: why are you trying to compile grub anyway? |
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| 00:34.09 | stoned | my grub looks nice |
| 00:34.21 | stoned | I got evil looking multicolored logos |
| 00:34.30 | stoned | nice dark color theme |
| 00:34.42 | Mark_Iron | HI - I have problems with installing etch on ASUS P5B Deluxe WiFi mainboard ... any hints ? - thank you in advance |
| 00:34.50 | stoned | I wonder how I would make grub do blinking text.. I might |
| 00:34.52 | jduggan | where do i store static routing entries, /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:34.53 | stoned | try to find out |
| 00:35.04 | muh2000 | just testing for PXE |
| 00:35.04 | stoned | jduggan: routing entries? |
| 00:35.14 | jelly-home | jduggan: I just call route add ... in an up ... line |
| 00:35.18 | stoned | jduggan: what are you trying to do |
| 00:35.18 | jduggan | stoned: static routes that i want to come up on next boot |
| 00:35.30 | stoned | you want static ip and not dhcp? |
| 00:35.35 | jduggan | can i do it in interfaces |
| 00:35.37 | stoned | wtf has that go to do with routing |
| 00:35.41 | jduggan | or do i just |
| 00:35.48 | jduggan | add a bash script to add them on boot |
| 00:36.44 | jduggan | just thought debian might have had a file that can store them, like the interfaces file in /etc/networking |
| 00:37.04 | jduggan | oh well, will just add it in an rc script |
| 00:37.17 | justin | jduggan: use post-up lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:38.24 | HornyPony | also |
| 00:38.33 | pstickne | never |
| 00:38.34 | HornyPony | does 802.3ad work on debian? |
| 00:38.36 | stoned | is aticonfig the same as fglrxconfig? |
| 00:38.36 | jelly-home | jduggan: like this http://pastebin.ca/340779 |
| 00:38.58 | HornyPony | im going to combine both intel management nics |
| 00:39.01 | multi_io | jduggan: I don't think you can do that in interfaces |
| 00:39.17 | jelly-home | multi_io: you can do anything in interfaces ;-) |
| 00:39.26 | stoned | if you don't specify monitor refresh range freq. in xorg.conf, how are they correctly detected from the monitor? |
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| 00:39.32 | justin | HornyPony: yep, linux calls it bonding |
| 00:39.58 | pstickne | java+vmware=notfun |
| 00:40.01 | stoned | what packages do I need in order to have detection of monir scan ranges |
| 00:40.11 | stoned | monitor* |
| 00:40.34 | pstickne | stoned, just use X -configure :) |
| 00:40.57 | stoned | and apt-cache show doesn't tell me the diff. between discover vs. discover1 |
| 00:41.05 | enouf | Why wouldn't dpkg know anything about the ia32-libs pkg? I tried info and find , nothing , yet I'm looking at it on p.d.o |
| 00:41.10 | jelly-home | or some of those mentioned in /msg dpkg install x |
| 00:41.18 | jelly-home | read-edid |
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| 00:41.32 | multi_io | jelly-home: ah, in an "up" line you mean |
| 00:41.46 | stoned | thats the one |
| 00:42.01 | stoned | jelly-home: you know the diff. between discover vs. discover1 |
| 00:42.33 | jelly-home | stoned: discover1 is older, apparently obsoletish but used everywhere ;-) |
| 00:42.38 | enouf | asme as dbus and dbus-1 I guess |
| 00:42.44 | enouf | er same |
| 00:42.56 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:43.01 | azeem | no |
| 00:43.10 | azeem | the -1 in dbus represents the API I think |
| 00:43.12 | Ineedhelpwithubu | excuse me, but I unintsalled gij but it's still there |
| 00:43.20 | stoned | gij? |
| 00:43.22 | azeem | discover1 is just the old codebase |
| 00:43.27 | multi_io | any superbowl watchers here? |
| 00:43.33 | stoned | azeem: ok |
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| 00:43.53 | jelly-home | !any |
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| 00:44.53 | jelly-home | multi_io: I have a big fruit bowl on my table but it's not really super. |
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| 00:45.33 | Ineedhelpwithubu | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.33 | Ineedhelpwithubu | Usage: gij [OPTION] ... CLASS [ARGS] ... |
| 00:45.39 | Ineedhelpwithubu | how can I remove that |
| 00:45.42 | stoned | I have the realtek sound chip on my gigabyte 965p s3 motherboard. it came with windows driver cd for the HD audio, lot sof nice options about how to set the output sound, like room, living room, equalizers, and stuff of that nature. Is there any software in linux that will allow me to do the same? |
| 00:45.57 | stoned | I've installed alsa and almixergui doesn't control the 3d sound features |
| 00:46.02 | enouf | thanks azeem .. anyways .. stoned , just use hwinfo --monitor |
| 00:46.03 | stoned | I hear absolutely no diff. at all |
| 00:46.05 | stoned | please advise |
| 00:46.13 | stoned | enouf: got ya |
| 00:46.28 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk |
| 00:46.34 | stoned | enouf: I just lookedup my monitor specs and specified the min/max ranges myself in xorg |
| 00:46.55 | enouf | stoned: that's the typical way ;-) .. me too, long ago |
| 00:47.18 | Reiser_X | i can't believe nobody here know gnugk |
| 00:47.27 | stoned | i dunno what it is |
| 00:47.27 | enouf | nice lameometer contestant there |
| 00:47.30 | stoned | !gnugk |
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| 00:47.53 | robin_sz | gatekeeper? |
| 00:48.00 | robin_sz | the h323 thing? |
| 00:48.11 | stoned | i think so |
| 00:48.15 | stoned | thats what google says anyway |
| 00:48.18 | stoned | but i know it lies to me |
| 00:48.34 | robin_sz | just to you? |
| 00:48.49 | stoned | it wants me to buy stuff related to the webpage im on |
| 00:48.56 | stoned | it lies cheats |
| 00:48.59 | stoned | ahhh fuck google |
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| 00:49.51 | stoned | j/k |
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| 00:50.16 | stoned | of course so anyway.. I applied and got a free washington phone number for free voip use |
| 00:50.18 | MrKeuner | hi, why wouldn't procmailrc call spamassassin for some of the files? |
| 00:50.27 | stoned | now I need to setup asterisk and all, and get it back on this machine |
| 00:50.45 | Reiser_X | robin_sz: yeah |
| 00:50.47 | stoned | free stuff rocks |
| 00:50.55 | Reiser_X | robin_sz: do you know gatekeeper? |
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| 00:52.09 | robin_sz | Reiser_X, I tried it, failed to get it to work ... this was with some crappy non working phones in *, and sccp or someting .. i forget, anywya, i fialied to get it to work and went back to SIP for everything |
| 00:52.27 | Reiser_X | SIP? |
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| 00:52.37 | stoned | sophisticated internet porn |
| 00:52.42 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 00:53.10 | robin_sz | Reiser_X, as I remember it looked liek ti shoudl work, but the documentation was too crap to allow anyone other than the author to configure it |
| 00:53.13 | stoned | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol |
| 00:53.26 | robin_sz | yeah, that |
| 00:53.39 | Reiser_X | yeah |
| 00:53.43 | Reiser_X | i think that |
| 00:54.13 | robin_sz | I just gave up ... life was WAYYYYY too short back then |
| 00:54.16 | Reiser_X | the problem is , i think because i am using DHCP to both PCs |
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| 00:54.29 | Reiser_X | i guest the server need a static IP |
| 00:54.41 | stoned | I go with static dhcp on the router |
| 00:54.51 | stoned | then just dhcp on machine.. |
| 00:55.02 | stoned | I only have like 7 machines and sometime sI do reinstalls and other lot sof OS |
| 00:55.14 | robin_sz | actually, no .. servers shoudl be static IP if you possibly can |
| 00:55.20 | stoned | static dhcp makes it easy, cuz I don't have to configure anything, AND I know which machine has which ip, all the time |
| 00:55.20 | Reiser_X | i want to configure a proxy |
| 00:55.23 | robin_sz | static DHCP is a really crap idea |
| 00:55.26 | stoned | its based on MAC ip |
| 00:55.29 | stoned | id |
| 00:55.31 | robin_sz | I know |
| 00:55.34 | robin_sz | its still crap |
| 00:55.34 | stoned | robin_sz: why? |
| 00:55.41 | robin_sz | well ... say, for example ... |
| 00:55.41 | stoned | this is the best way it works fo rme |
| 00:55.46 | stoned | extremely easy to manage |
| 00:55.52 | stoned | in years it has not faile dme |
| 00:56.02 | stoned | your opinion is your opinion, not my experience |
| 00:56.09 | robin_sz | you have a router and server in hard to get at place ... |
| 00:56.10 | Reiser_X | ok, to use gnugk the server that run daemon should be static IP? |
| 00:56.12 | robin_sz | power goes off |
| 00:56.16 | stoned | ok |
| 00:56.16 | robin_sz | power comes back ... |
| 00:56.20 | stoned | alright |
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| 00:56.25 | stoned | I'm with ya |
| 00:56.29 | robin_sz | router comes up slower than server ... |
| 00:56.34 | stoned | uhuh |
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| 00:56.49 | robin_sz | server searches for DHCP ... finds none ... |
| 00:56.58 | stoned | ok |
| 00:57.03 | robin_sz | gives up and leaves the i/f unconfigured |
| 00:57.08 | robin_sz | router is now up ... |
| 00:57.13 | robin_sz | so now what? |
| 00:57.30 | twobitsprite | how do I find out what nameservers I was given via dhcp? |
| 00:57.33 | Guerin | robin_sz: put `sleep 60' into a pre-up command? |
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| 00:57.43 | Guerin | twobitsprite: less /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 00:58.48 | robin_sz | Guerin, and that will ONLY save it if the router is up in 60 seconds ... in my case the poxy DSL thing sometimes doesnt come back up on a poweron ... which thne leaves the server up, but not contactable |
| 00:58.53 | stoned | robin_sz: its never happened here. My router is like whoah super fast. In that scenario it is understandable. but there are way to get around it. you can add a cron job to check if eth(x) is up or not, if not, bring it up |
| 00:59.18 | robin_sz | aor you can just set the static IP in interfaces file ... |
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| 00:59.39 | stoned | yeah see thas too much work for me |
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| 00:59.47 | robin_sz | for desktops, yeah, you can reboot them and get at them DHCP rocks |
| 01:00.02 | stoned | I did static dhcp 3 years ago.. and on my 7 machines now 8 machines. I've never ever had to configure networking EVEr |
| 01:00.02 | Ubuh-Huntuh | help! how can I find out which process is writting to this file "x" |
| 01:00.02 | robin_sz | but for things like servers .. nah. |
| 01:00.12 | stoned | so either I can do all the work you're telling me for each machine |
| 01:00.16 | stoned | or I can stay the way I am |
| 01:00.19 | stoned | and not do anything |
| 01:00.25 | stoned | I think I'll go with not doing anything |
| 01:00.27 | robin_sz | shrug ... I use static DHCP for things like printers and phones |
| 01:00.59 | robin_sz | but the core servers are always static |
| 01:01.18 | Ubuh-Huntuh | someone has hacked into my box and installed a sniffer program. And the program is writting to this log file called "x." How can I find out which process is writting to "x" ? |
| 01:01.38 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, which version of debian? |
| 01:01.45 | stoned | robin_sz: #ubuntu |
| 01:01.53 | Supaplex | Ubuh-Huntuh: lsof |
| 01:01.57 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ty |
| 01:01.59 | stoned | robin_sz: I think it was a typo |
| 01:02.07 | stoned | robin_sz: you meant to say #ubuntu :D |
| 01:02.44 | robin_sz | stoned, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt ... |
| 01:03.19 | stoned | well I guess |
| 01:03.25 | jelly-home | whichever version of debian, the answer would still be lsof (or fuser) |
| 01:03.34 | stoned | so I downloaded every episode of Thundercats in a torrent. Its quite nice. |
| 01:03.41 | stoned | I am trying to find the Silver Hawks next |
| 01:03.47 | stoned | and then the Bionic Six |
| 01:03.51 | robin_sz | jelly-home, and for Ubuntu? |
| 01:04.05 | stoned | jelly-home: I was being difficult |
| 01:04.30 | Ubuh-Huntuh | I typed: lsof |grep -i x but there is not matching entry |
| 01:04.32 | Ubuh-Huntuh | no* |
| 01:04.43 | stoned | if someone here with a nickname around ubuntu asked me how to list files in a directory, I'd say "#ubuntu" |
| 01:04.44 | jelly-home | robin_sz: I don't know, this is not #ubuntu |
| 01:05.01 | Ubuh-Huntuh | but i know the file is open because i just logged in with a new password and that file x recorded my new password |
| 01:05.04 | robin_sz | jelly-home, the correct answer for Ubuntu would have been: |
| 01:05.10 | robin_sz | "bwahahahahaha" :) |
| 01:05.18 | stoned | lol |
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| 01:05.54 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: the sniffer might not be the only new app installed. Think kernel modules hiding processes from your view. |
| 01:06.01 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, it may well be root-kitted now, the kernel is hiding the process from you .. ther eis now only ONE option. you kow that. |
| 01:06.17 | Ubuh-Huntuh | arrhh!! |
| 01:06.41 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: lsof must be run as root, that's a given |
| 01:06.44 | robin_sz | step 1. MOST IMPORTANT ... disconnect, physically, from the external network |
| 01:06.51 | Ubuh-Huntuh | yeah i'm in as root |
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| 01:07.07 | robin_sz | on the console? |
| 01:07.12 | Ubuh-Huntuh | through ssh |
| 01:07.23 | Supaplex | Ubuh-Huntuh: and change all your passwords ASAP (after cleanup) |
| 01:07.25 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: if you have it, run chkrootkit and/or rkhunter |
| 01:07.33 | stoned | I have the realtek sound chip on my gigabyte 965p s3 motherboard. it came with windows driver cd for the HD audio, lot sof nice options about how to set the output sound, like room, living room, equalizers, and stuff of that nature. Is there any software in linux that will allow me to do the same? |
| 01:07.38 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ok i'll try ty |
| 01:08.00 | robin_sz | personally, I would burn and re-install |
| 01:08.05 | xtknight | is there any way to execute an application every time the screen saver exits? (my gamma profile is getting wiped when the screensaver exits) |
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| 01:08.26 | deb_noob | is the flash install for 64 the same as 32? |
| 01:08.26 | stoned | diable the screensaver the start turning off your monitor when you get up |
| 01:08.32 | stoned | then* |
| 01:08.44 | Guerin | deb_noob: ask macdobedia |
| 01:08.50 | Guerin | deb_noob: nothing to do with debian |
| 01:09.06 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, you have physical access to the machine? |
| 01:09.11 | stoned | I was told there is no flash for 64bit debian |
| 01:09.15 | stoned | if thts wha tyou're talking about |
| 01:09.32 | deb_noob | so it doesn't work? |
| 01:09.36 | Ubuh-Huntuh | no, it's in the isp server room |
| 01:09.41 | stoned | I am not sure.. this is what I was told |
| 01:09.49 | stoned | I was on AMD64 |
| 01:10.07 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, oh, then you have problems. you will probably need to bring it up in single-user mode to remove the rk, |
| 01:10.30 | stoned | Wyzard was running that as well and he told me that.. I have not verified as I don't think he is likely to tell a fib |
| 01:10.37 | xtknight | stoned: i actually do both at the moment. i'm going to try disabling the screen saver as it is worthless now |
| 01:10.39 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ah... |
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| 01:10.44 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: I'd reboot from clean media, dump the contents of the disks to analyze later, and reinstall |
| 01:10.55 | stoned | xtknight: good idea |
| 01:11.18 | jelly-home | (also, buy servers with remote access ;-) |
| 01:11.20 | stoned | xtknight: btw, I didn't have to go through any bullshit to get my jmicron motherboard working |
| 01:11.27 | stoned | xtknight: I just used the daily etch installer |
| 01:11.48 | xtknight | stoned: hm do i remember you? you saw my thread i assume? |
| 01:11.52 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, and go on, just for our amusement, how did it happen? |
| 01:11.54 | stoned | 2.6.18 in debian works just fine with Jmicron and the Marvel gigabit ethernet |
| 01:12.10 | xtknight | ahh daily etch |
| 01:12.10 | stoned | xtknight: no, I went to #ubuntu to ask weather 2.6.19 was in it yhet |
| 01:12.13 | xtknight | not sarge though |
| 01:12.17 | xtknight | yeah |
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| 01:12.26 | xtknight | i just used kmuto's sarge images |
| 01:12.29 | xtknight | same difference i guess |
| 01:12.43 | stoned | xtknight: kenshi's images did not work for me unfortunately |
| 01:12.47 | Ubuh-Huntuh | I haven't been monitoring it often |
| 01:12.55 | stoned | I just installed grub and netbooted |
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| 01:13.15 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, this is debian sarge or etch? |
| 01:13.43 | robin_sz | seems unlikely to be etch ... |
| 01:13.48 | robin_sz | I mean srage |
| 01:13.48 | stoned | Ubuh-Huntuh: /exec -o echo `cat /etc/debian_version` |
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| 01:14.25 | robin_sz | stoned, you know hes not going to tell us |
| 01:14.31 | stoned | i know :) |
| 01:14.56 | jelly-home | You guys still hung on the Ubu Hunter running a shiny non-Debian system? :-) |
| 01:15.15 | stoned | jelly-home: its just entertaining, I could give less than half a rats buttcheek |
| 01:15.17 | robin_sz | s/shiny/owned/ |
| 01:15.49 | stoned | i mean |
| 01:15.59 | Supaplex | jelly-home: we all know how much stoned savors rat buttcheeks |
| 01:16.13 | stoned | if ubuntu is so 'for humans' how come the users of ubuntu come to #debian to ask questions |
| 01:16.20 | jelly-home | I heard they're nice when sauteed |
| 01:16.23 | stoned | it really makes you wonder about the people in #ubuntu |
| 01:16.31 | stoned | are they able to support their own distro |
| 01:16.32 | amphi | stoned: ;) |
| 01:16.35 | stoned | apparantly not |
| 01:16.40 | stoned | its sad |
| 01:16.40 | Ubuh-Huntuh | This is very interesting |
| 01:16.42 | stoned | quite sad |
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| 01:16.52 | robin_sz | they are very good on "ooh shiny .. but not so good on "htf did this get rooted" |
| 01:16.54 | jelly-home | stoned: I bet commercial support is decent |
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| 01:17.27 | stoned | jelly-home: well of course it is |
| 01:17.27 | stoned | it better be |
| 01:17.27 | stoned | you're paying for it |
| 01:17.27 | Ubuh-Huntuh | I know the guy installed a program called "mjy" to cloak his log entries and he used it too as shown in .bash_history. However, chkrootkit could not detect anything. |
| 01:17.33 | Ubuh-Huntuh | so watch out, chkrootkit might be outdated.. |
| 01:17.52 | robin_sz | and ... the other question? |
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| 01:18.11 | stoned | hes not on debian man |
| 01:18.12 | stoned | c'mon |
| 01:18.21 | stoned | isn't it obvious |
| 01:18.27 | stoned | he won't tell us which version of debian |
| 01:18.33 | stoned | and the nickname |
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| 01:18.39 | robin_sz | go on, confess its not Debian and we will take the pi$$ but we might still help you |
| 01:18.44 | stoned | I mean.. I am stoned, yes, but I CAN add 2 and 2 |
| 01:18.57 | jelly-home | stoned: you CAN'T be stoned all the time? |
| 01:19.02 | stoned | dude |
| 01:19.07 | stoned | if I'm not sleeping |
| 01:19.07 | unlink | what does this mean: http://rafb.net/p/QwW9Tf81.html (i get these messages after INIT boots, and they are periodically repeated) |
| 01:19.10 | stoned | I'm high as shit |
| 01:19.11 | Supaplex | stoned: but there are 10 types of people in the world. those that understand binary, and those who don't |
| 01:19.15 | diskus | if someone doesn't use debian and asks help here, it may very well mean that he's going to break his distro with help from this channel :P |
| 01:19.24 | stoned | Supaplex: thats a stupid t shirt btw |
| 01:19.26 | stoned | it makes no sense |
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| 01:19.33 | stoned | its a play on words and its humor only morons can get |
| 01:19.35 | stoned | not I |
| 01:19.36 | robin_sz | diskus, if there is soem way we can arraange it , yes |
| 01:19.40 | jelly-home | There are three types of people, those that can count, and those that can't. |
| 01:19.44 | unlink | these error messages don't appear if i have CONFIG_RCU_TORTURE_TEST set |
| 01:19.47 | stoned | Supaplex: thats my opinion of that saying |
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| 01:20.09 | Supaplex | well, we know you're the kind that don't huh? :) |
| 01:20.22 | stoned | actually yes |
| 01:20.33 | stoned | I can understand binary |
| 01:20.43 | stoned | I just haven't taken the time to learn |
| 01:20.52 | stoned | I think i know the binary character/bits for letter 'a' |
| 01:20.57 | jelly-home | stoned: that joke is just anoter variation on elitist crap like the one you and Guerin were discussing earlier |
| 01:20.58 | stoned | in standard ascii |
| 01:21.19 | Supaplex | stoned: convert 10 from binary to base 10. |
| 01:21.37 | stoned | Supaplex: my math is horrible.. you can't ask me to do that man |
| 01:21.43 | diskus | 2? |
| 01:22.09 | jelly-home | stoned: no need to do any math to get it though |
| 01:22.15 | Wyzard | unlink: What kernel are you using? |
| 01:22.25 | Ubuh-Huntuh | what? u think im using ubutu? hahahhaha |
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| 01:22.38 | Supaplex | !think |
| 01:22.39 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 01:22.39 | Ubuh-Huntuh | uber-hunter = diablo gamer |
| 01:22.41 | stoned | jelly-home: umm, I failed math a lot when I was a kid.. I got A's in art/history/literature/social studies |
| 01:22.42 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: cat /etc/debian_version ;-) |
| 01:22.46 | stoned | math .. bleh |
| 01:22.50 | unlink | Wyzard: 2.6.19/2.6.20 |
| 01:22.51 | Ubuh-Huntuh | if you played diable u owuld know |
| 01:22.57 | stoned | I play diablo 2 |
| 01:23.00 | stoned | wonderful fun |
| 01:23.02 | jelly-home | stoned: well, 10(binary) == 2. |
| 01:23.12 | Wyzard | unlink: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/15/6 |
| 01:23.12 | Ubuh-Huntuh | did u hunt ubers? |
| 01:23.12 | stoned | jelly-home: thats great man |
| 01:23.15 | Ubuh-Huntuh | to get the charm? |
| 01:23.20 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, OK, quaick search of the 'ent found what mjy is and does |
| 01:23.20 | stoned | umm |
| 01:23.23 | stoned | i only play single player mods |
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| 01:23.26 | Ubuh-Huntuh | there used to be a channel here for uber hunters |
| 01:23.33 | diskus | stoned: you don't need any math to convert that |
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| 01:23.37 | Wyzard | unlink: seems to be a known bug in 2.6.20 |
| 01:23.45 | stoned | diskus: la de da |
| 01:23.51 | diskus | stoned: just memory :P |
| 01:24.02 | stoned | da. |
| 01:24.04 | Wyzard | unlink: Why not stick with the packaged kernels, anyway? |
| 01:24.07 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk and ohphone |
| 01:24.16 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, you are running bind 8.2.x right? |
| 01:24.23 | stoned | check thi sout btw.. www.d2mods.com |
| 01:24.37 | stoned | best mods for d2.. I'm talking some seriously heavy stuff |
| 01:24.45 | Supaplex | Reiser_X: define help. check bts. (one of my bugs is/was there for kphone) |
| 01:24.48 | stoned | way too much fun, can't go back to battlenet and vanilla d2 |
| 01:24.54 | stoned | its just not fun anymore by itself |
| 01:24.56 | MarcoPau | karsten: I eventually made it with the printer, the drivers had problems so I had to manually copy some libs and install unknown dependencies... sucked but now working :) |
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| 01:25.02 | azeem | stoned: keep it on-topic, please |
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| 01:25.11 | stoned | azeem: sorry |
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| 01:25.42 | stoned | hey on topic! I got diablo 2 to work in wine |
| 01:25.47 | stoned | not even cedega needed |
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| 01:25.55 | jelly-home | :-F |
| 01:26.08 | unlink | Wyzard: earlier kernels do not work |
| 01:26.16 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, read this: http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/lion.shtml ... you are now the proud owner of a fully working copy of the Lion worm. |
| 01:26.21 | Wyzard | !doesn't work |
| 01:26.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 01:26.23 | diskus | stoned: diablo 2 was great like 5 years ago or something :P |
| 01:26.42 | Reiser_X | Supaplex: i can't run it |
| 01:26.49 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, you've only had since 2001 to patch that box, I can see how you missed it |
| 01:26.55 | stoned | diskus: cedega would always ask me for a cd even when it was in the drive... with wine, it read it fine |
| 01:27.13 | stoned | diskus: I still play classic doom too.. my sid machine is my main desktop |
| 01:27.19 | Supaplex | Reiser_X: try running it from a shell. What does it do? |
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| 01:27.30 | stoned | it does pretty much everything, from burning cds/dvs/to multimedia to whatever |
| 01:27.31 | Reiser_X | http://www.pastebin.ca/340828 |
| 01:27.37 | stoned | I still enjoy old games and I play new games too |
| 01:27.40 | Reiser_X | that is what i get |
| 01:27.57 | Ubuh-Huntuh | robin_sz: why do you think it's the worm? mjy=lion worm? |
| 01:28.02 | Reiser_X | i have gnugk in Server , it have 192.168.1.1 |
| 01:28.10 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, have you rad that page? |
| 01:28.14 | robin_sz | read |
| 01:28.19 | Ubuh-Huntuh | because he used "mjy" to cloak himself, i doubt it's a worm |
| 01:28.20 | Reiser_X | client is getting IP from DHCP |
| 01:28.32 | robin_sz | idiot |
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| 01:29.00 | robin_sz | sorry, |
| 01:29.04 | excelblue | does debian come with the graphical installer these days? |
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| 01:29.07 | Ubuh-Huntuh | im an idiot or you can't read what i pasted? |
| 01:29.13 | Ubuh-Huntuh | said* |
| 01:29.13 | excelblue | or is it still dependent on that ol' text-based stuff? |
| 01:29.20 | stoned | diskus: I just bought my first ATI card, because of plaing oblivion.. X1900XT is the best 200$ card I could get and its rated better tan 7900GT for oblivion etc. soon I ask find a list of device options/parameters for xorg for fglrx i'll have a better card experience in linux.. btw, it was trivial to install dual head config on fglrx, without using the aticonfig tool |
| 01:29.29 | stoned | wow I typed a long line |
| 01:29.47 | robin_sz | two things, first you can't identify the debian verison you are using, this does not bode well for your sysadmin skills |
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| 01:30.07 | diskus | stoned: I throw away my ati, and got myself nvidia... |
| 01:30.09 | Ubuh-Huntuh | let me give you some adivce |
| 01:30.16 | Ubuh-Huntuh | not everything is caused by lion worm |
| 01:30.22 | robin_sz | secondly, the Lion work has at least some of the charecteristics of what you have described |
| 01:30.28 | robin_sz | using mjy |
| 01:30.39 | Supaplex | excelblue: I know www.goodbye-windows.com is using one, so there should be a native gui around some place. |
| 01:30.39 | robin_sz | logging to a file named x |
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| 01:30.43 | gravity | excelblue: It will with the etch release |
| 01:30.48 | Reiser_X | Supaplex: the only time it work is when i use gnomemeeting |
| 01:30.54 | azeem | goodbye-microsoft.com I thought |
| 01:30.58 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: dude, provide as much data as you can if you want better help. pinpointing your release can help in finding out the entry point. |
| 01:31.02 | azeem | excelblue: the next version will have an optional graphical installer |
| 01:31.04 | stoned | nvidia has been great.. but I dunno, I overclocked my 7600GS from 400/800 to 575/1000 on stock cooling/voltage |
| 01:31.07 | diskus | Ubuh-Huntuh: http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/lion.shtml just read this and try to fix your Leeenux :P |
| 01:31.12 | stoned | under the nvidia linux tool |
| 01:31.18 | Reiser_X | but when i use 192.168.1.1 in server and client get DHCP, it doesn't work |
| 01:31.24 | Ubuh-Huntuh | this is not lion worm |
| 01:31.25 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, go on.. what version of BIND are you running?? |
| 01:31.30 | Ubuh-Huntuh | the file is /usr/sbin/mjy |
| 01:31.38 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ok i'll look |
| 01:31.40 | stoned | but my x1900xt, I clocked it to just at x1900xt speeds and its fine, past it, I get artifacts and it runs too hot |
| 01:31.54 | stoned | fglrx does give 3d support in debian eh? |
| 01:32.27 | Ubuh-Huntuh | 9.2 |
| 01:32.28 | stoned | maybe now that I have a halfway decent card I could give xgl a shot |
| 01:32.42 | robin_sz | fairy nuff, probably not Lion then |
| 01:32.43 | RhastaW | anyone want to suggest a video editing package that will be in apt |
| 01:32.49 | stoned | kino? |
| 01:32.54 | RhastaW | sold |
| 01:32.55 | stoned | RhastaW: kino maybe |
| 01:32.57 | zinx | Ubuh-Huntuh: what is your question? |
| 01:32.59 | gravity | cinerella? |
| 01:33.00 | Ubuh-Huntuh | and I can tell which os i'm using. I just dont think its relevant :-) |
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| 01:33.09 | diskus | Ubuh-Huntuh: it is |
| 01:33.13 | diskus | Ubuh-Huntuh: at least in some way |
| 01:33.16 | excelblue | ah... |
| 01:33.19 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: it IS relevant if you want help in this channel |
| 01:33.26 | xcc666 | can anyone help me with postfix+sasl having problems with sasl and plugin sql? (auth.log says could not connect to host) |
| 01:33.27 | excelblue | hmm, so sarge uses the classical debian-installer, right? |
| 01:33.46 | gravity | excelblue: No, it uses the new one, but it doesn't have a graphical version |
| 01:33.49 | stoned | typo, xt to xtx speeds oc |
| 01:33.52 | Ubuh-Huntuh | zinx: a password sniffer is writting to a log file. And it doesn't show up in "lsof" Im trying to findout which program writes to it so I can kill it |
| 01:33.55 | Supaplex | xcc666: as a sql error, or something else? |
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| 01:34.17 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, its probably NOT a programme, its wuite probably a kernel module |
| 01:34.21 | zinx | Ubuh-Huntuh: the course of action you take now is 1) turn the machine off/unhook it from the internet/power/etc. 2) back up the drives (for forensics use only, if you don't care about that, then don't bother - in particular, don't use any of the data), 3) install from scratch |
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| 01:34.39 | robin_sz | zinx, we told him that already |
| 01:34.44 | zinx | Ubuh-Huntuh: killing the process is not what you do. |
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| 01:35.13 | stoned | also |
| 01:35.18 | stoned | learn to secure your machine/network |
| 01:35.20 | Ubuh-Huntuh | Ok, just trying to find a quick way cos the box is is not at my home |
| 01:35.29 | zinx | Ubuh-Huntuh: what i told you is the quick way. |
| 01:35.38 | stoned | if yo uhave root access, shut it down |
| 01:35.45 | Ubuh-Huntuh | alrighty thanks for the help |
| 01:36.03 | robin_sz | once root-kitted, you can never trust that install again |
| 01:36.04 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: also, I'd like to know which OS release you're running to see if I have something that might be vulnerable too |
| 01:36.13 | Supaplex | nuke it from orbit |
| 01:36.25 | Guerin | it's the only way to be sure |
| 01:36.28 | Ubuh-Huntuh | I can't shut it down many people will complain, although i have used iptables to restrict ssh access to my ip only. |
| 01:36.33 | xcc666 | Supaplex: i believe something else :S |
| 01:36.41 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, no,. you haent |
| 01:36.41 | Guerin | Ubuh-Huntuh: you MUST shut it down IMMEDIATELY |
| 01:36.46 | Supaplex | xcc666: nuke the admin? ;) |
| 01:36.48 | zinx | Ubuh-Huntuh: you are not following the proper course of action |
| 01:36.51 | Guerin | Ubuh-Huntuh: give people 30 seconds to save their work. |
| 01:36.51 | xtknight | anyone here try ingo molnar's realtime patches? |
| 01:36.58 | excelblue | gravity: hmm... since when was that installer in place? was it in -testing about a year ago? |
| 01:37.04 | gravity | excelblue: Yes |
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| 01:37.07 | jelly-home | Guerin: he doesn't have phys. access |
| 01:37.16 | excelblue | ah, ok... guess like I've tried it then :) |
| 01:37.16 | Guerin | jelly-home: man shutdown :) |
| 01:37.23 | Deselect | Hello, I am having a problem upon startup and was hoping someone would be able to help me... I get this: http://paste.debian.net/21393 |
| 01:37.26 | zinx | jelly: he should call someone who does have physical access. |
| 01:37.31 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, you might THINKyou have restricted access with iptables, you havent and anyway, it probably has many other backdoors open by now, not just SSH |
| 01:37.38 | stoned | stoned> if yo uhave root access, shut it down |
| 01:37.38 | zinx | the machine needs to be powered off. |
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| 01:37.57 | Guerin | stoned: even though you're stoned, you're not as stupid as him :) |
| 01:38.00 | zinx | it's not uncommon that shutdown is replaced with something that just denies connections from the IP that requested it |
| 01:38.11 | Ubuh-Huntuh | robin: unless he hacked iptables or the version of ssh is buggy, he can't do anything?? |
| 01:38.29 | Guerin | Ubuh-Huntuh: if he has a packet logger running, he has root. |
| 01:38.37 | Guerin | Ubuh-Huntuh: if he has root, he owns you. |
| 01:38.40 | Reiser_X | fustrated |
| 01:38.48 | stoned | Guerin: being intoxicated has no bearing on my reasnoning and judgeemnt and intellectual horsepower |
| 01:39.14 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, rootkits often bypass stuff, iptables include, they replace anyting from ls and ps with "special" versions, they open backdoors, they bypass iptables .. the lot |
| 01:39.23 | Guerin | stoned: sheriously, occifer, there'sh noshing wrong wish my logicsh! |
| 01:39.29 | stoned | heh |
| 01:39.37 | jelly-home | Ubuh-Huntuh: also, if you have more machines with the same OS version and/or a similar set of applications, I'd be wise to shut it down and not infect your other machines or other machines on the internet |
| 01:39.46 | Deselect | Okay let me rephrase. Upon start up, Linux loads into TTY 1 or 2 by default and TTY 7 doesn't do anything... I also get some error codes, which are in the posted link |
| 01:39.54 | xcc666 | Supaplex: ouch! xD |
| 01:40.07 | lunaphyte | where are kernel modules stored? |
| 01:40.23 | Guerin | lunaphyte: in /lib |
| 01:40.26 | amphi | lunaphyte: /lib/modules-$KERNEL_VERSION |
| 01:40.26 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ |
| 01:40.29 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, get the data cebtre to de-power it .. that way there is at least some chance than when you drive there, the files will still exist |
| 01:40.31 | Supaplex | xcc666: oops, got my wires crossed with Ubuh-Huntuh illogic. sorry. :) |
| 01:40.46 | stoned | lol |
| 01:40.56 | Supaplex | xcc666: I have some ideas for sql issues, but not the other. try strace, see if you dig up any clues. |
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| 01:41.42 | lunaphyte | Guerin, amphi, Wyzard: thanks. |
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| 01:41.51 | diskus | Ubuh-Huntuh: I'm not security expert at all, but I would shutdown my machine right away if I were you |
| 01:42.26 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ok |
| 01:42.28 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, does the box hos t other sites, for clients etc? |
| 01:42.34 | Ubuh-Huntuh | i just executed "shutdown" |
| 01:42.38 | Ubuh-Huntuh | it says "nice try" |
| 01:42.41 | robin_sz | oh. |
| 01:42.43 | Guerin | yes |
| 01:42.45 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, does the box hos t other sites, for clients etc? |
| 01:42.48 | Guerin | hence power-off |
| 01:42.51 | diskus | Ubuh-Huntuh: shutdown -h now?-) |
| 01:42.57 | Ubuh-Huntuh | yes: clients will kill me |
| 01:43.11 | Guerin | Ubuh-Huntuh: not as much as they'll kill you if they get blacklisted for spamming, etc. |
| 01:43.13 | zinx | Ubuh-Huntuh: the rest of the collective internet will kill you if you don't. |
| 01:43.20 | xcc666 | Supaplex: what type of sql issues? :S |
| 01:43.26 | Supaplex | starting with us! |
| 01:43.30 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, well, will they kill you more if they find out all their user passwords have been leeched and you didnt power-down the box? |
| 01:43.32 | Guerin | Ubuh-Huntuh: why are you still thinking about this? |
| 01:43.37 | Guerin | pull the fucking plug, immediately |
| 01:43.45 | zinx | because he's a retard |
| 01:43.47 | diskus | he can't probably |
| 01:43.47 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: How about "telinit 0" instead of shutdown? |
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| 01:43.51 | Supaplex | Guerin: it's colo, he's not there. |
| 01:43.54 | zinx | diskus: he can call whoever can |
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| 01:44.06 | azeem | zinx: stop calling people names, please |
| 01:44.12 | zinx | they'll be *HAPPY* to pull the plug on a compromised box, i assure you. |
| 01:44.22 | Guerin | Supaplex: they invented these things called `phones' which you can use to talk to people and make them go push a button on the outside of the computer which makes it go bye-bye |
| 01:44.40 | Supaplex | Guerin: direct it to Ubuh-Huntuh, thanks...... |
| 01:44.40 | jelly-home | Guerin: A novel idea! |
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| 01:44.59 | zinx | azeem: this has been going on long enough that i think i'm within my rights, but i'll avoid doing it again :) |
| 01:45.02 | lunaphyte | i'm using 2.6.18, in /usr/lib/modules i also have 2.6.8-1-386, for some reason. can this be safely deleted? |
| 01:45.10 | robin_sz | Ubuh-Huntuh, just remember, as each one of your clients cutomers logs in, does a crdit card transaction through SSL etc, they could be being logged and passed on .. you owe it to your clients to act promptly |
| 01:45.15 | diskus | I've seen some small datacenters where there's no people sitting during night shifts |
| 01:45.20 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: That's Debian's stock 2.6.18 kernel |
| 01:45.22 | azeem | zinx: you think you have the right to call people retards? |
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| 01:45.26 | zinx | azeem: no |
| 01:45.31 | azeem | ok |
| 01:45.32 | Guerin | azeem: when they're being retarded, sure. |
| 01:45.36 | zinx | azeem: just people who ignore everything said to them for hours |
| 01:45.40 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: What does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:45.41 | Guerin | spade = spade |
| 01:46.02 | lunaphyte | Wyzard: 2.6.8 is? uname -r is 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 01:47.09 | excelblue | how does the old debian installer differ from the new one? |
| 01:47.13 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: So you're running the current sid kernel but you apparently still have an old sarge kernel installed too |
| 01:47.35 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: 2.6.8 and 2.6.18 are kernel versions; 2.6.8-1-386 and 2.6.18-3-686 are Debian packages of those kernels |
| 01:47.42 | streuner_ | excelblue: there were many between :-) |
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| 01:47.47 | lunaphyte | Wyzard: i'm wondering if it's vestigal - i don't have any other kernels (any longer) formally installed. |
| 01:47.59 | excelblue | ah |
| 01:48.02 | stoned | it is possible to add an equalizer to alsa before the sound goes to /dev/dsp or something |
| 01:48.07 | stoned | not really sure how the internals on that work |
| 01:48.07 | excelblue | were they all complete rewrites (almost)? |
| 01:48.10 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: No kernel-image-2.6.18-1-386 package installed? |
| 01:48.11 | excelblue | or were they just different versions? |
| 01:48.14 | stoned | like a 10 band eauzlieer of sorts |
| 01:48.42 | streuner_ | excelblue: why do you ask? |
| 01:48.43 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: dpkg -S 2.6.8-1-386 |
| 01:48.44 | Guerin | Supaplex: jackd might have something like that - otherwise you'd be looking at ladspa |
| 01:48.55 | excelblue | I'm just curious |
| 01:48.57 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: If that says the directory is provided by a package, uninstall that package |
| 01:49.03 | excelblue | they said the old debian installer was awful... |
| 01:49.11 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: If not, and it's just leftover for some reason even though the package was removed, you can go ahead and delete it |
| 01:49.20 | Guerin | stoned: see above to Supaplex, who is going to get this a lot (sorry) |
| 01:49.30 | Wyzard | excelblue: "they" ? |
| 01:49.35 | stoned | uhh |
| 01:49.42 | lunaphyte | Wyzard: just the 2.6.18 linux image package, and friends. nothing regarding 2.6.8 |
| 01:49.42 | Guerin | stoned: BTW, eauzlieer is an awesome word ... I almost can figure out what it means |
| 01:49.43 | stoned | where |
| 01:49.43 | stoned | what? |
| 01:49.44 | streuner_ | stoned: is it true, you're going to marry? |
| 01:49.50 | stoned | lol |
| 01:49.51 | stoned | shaddup |
| 01:49.53 | Guerin | stoned: jackd might have something like that - otherwise you'd be looking at ladspa |
| 01:50.04 | stoned | streuner_: ye |
| 01:50.12 | streuner_ | stoned: oh |
| 01:50.23 | stoned | its weird I feel butterflies and I've been wanting to get this girl sicne I was a kid |
| 01:50.27 | stoned | heh |
| 01:50.36 | Guerin | stoned: and you already have a kid with her |
| 01:50.37 | excelblue | Wyzard: (from rumors) |
| 01:50.40 | Wyzard | excelblue: Debian's installer was never particularly "bad"... it just had a reputation for being difficult because it never had a fancy GUI like some other distros do, and some people are intimidated by anything that doesn't have buttons and icons |
| 01:50.47 | excelblue | ah |
| 01:50.48 | streuner_ | Guerin: dude |
| 01:50.58 | Wyzard | excelblue: Nonetheless, the new installer is more powerful and a bit more streamlined than the old one |
| 01:50.59 | amphi | Wyzard: dselect frightened some sensitive people ;) |
| 01:51.00 | stoned | Guerin: you know.. shit happens |
| 01:51.11 | excelblue | did it start out as something very similar to a command-line with questions, then the TUI dialogs were there? |
| 01:51.12 | Wyzard | amerej: I think he's referring to boot-floppies though |
| 01:51.16 | Guerin | stoned: :) |
| 01:51.18 | excelblue | or were all the installers quite similar? |
| 01:51.19 | dvs | amphi: oh come on! dselect was a rite of passage. |
| 01:51.20 | stoned | Guerin: I am greatful for my family :) I cherish them |
| 01:51.21 | streuner_ | Guerin: we all learning still, my teacher said: "We are all kids, no matter how old you are..." |
| 01:51.29 | amphi | dvs: ;) |
| 01:51.42 | Guerin | streuner_: ... |
| 01:51.53 | dvs | stoned: hey! |
| 01:51.58 | sobersabre | guys, is there a debian on mac channel ? |
| 01:52.00 | Guerin | stoned: yeh, it's awesome. People are all jaded about the idea of marriage these days. |
| 01:52.02 | Wyzard | excelblue: In the very early days it was probably "command-line with questions", but it's bee TUI dialogs for as long as I can remember |
| 01:52.04 | stoned | Guerin: I dunno why smoking pot is sucha negative thing.. I've not noticed myself getting any stupider or anything, or maybe thats a sign |
| 01:52.17 | Supaplex | sobersabre: ppc or intel? |
| 01:52.51 | pstickne | !java |
| 01:52.51 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 01:52.51 | Wyzard | excelblue: The old "bad" installer was TUI dialogs, and the current one is also TUI dialogs (though there's an optional GTK interface instead) |
| 01:52.52 | Guerin | stoned: that's the thing: YOU don't notice. |
| 01:52.52 | sobersabre | Supaplex mactel |
| 01:52.52 | stoned | whatever..lol |
| 01:52.52 | Guerin | :) |
| 01:52.52 | Wyzard | sobersabre: #debian-ppc or something like that, I believe |
| 01:52.53 | sobersabre | :) |
| 01:53.01 | Supaplex | sobersabre: mactel. cute. |
| 01:53.06 | Wyzard | sobersabre: As for x86 Macs, I imagine it'd be much the same as Debian on any other x86 PC |
| 01:53.11 | excelblue | do the old "bad" one and current TUI one feel similar? |
| 01:53.48 | sobersabre | Wyzard I'd like to bug one such user with questions about osx-gnu/linux interoperability etc. |
| 01:53.49 | diskus | when I tried etch it was different |
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| 01:54.02 | gravity | excelblue: Sort of. The old one didn't have any hardware detection. The new one does, so it's a lot easier to install. The new one also does a few other automatic things to make life easier on you by default. |
| 01:54.03 | diskus | excelblue: at least I remember it was a bit different |
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| 01:54.26 | sobersabre | stoned as towards pot, I can argue with ya, man. |
| 01:54.30 | streuner_ | gravity: ever tried TV-OUT with 'nv'? |
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| 01:54.34 | gravity | streuner_: No |
| 01:54.39 | streuner_ | fuck |
| 01:54.45 | sobersabre | but that's yet another holywar |
| 01:54.46 | stoned | sobersabre: it was rhetoriacal.. not the right place here |
| 01:54.52 | troubleboy | somebody familiar with openbox? |
| 01:54.55 | sobersabre | yepz |
| 01:55.00 | stoned | so about adding an equalizer to my sound |
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| 01:55.03 | stoned | any ideas? |
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| 01:55.19 | sobersabre | stoned start using good recording equipment 1st. |
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| 01:55.20 | sobersabre | :) |
| 01:55.22 | stoned | the thign is its the reaktel "hd" sound thing on my obherboard |
| 01:55.39 | troubleboy | i've got opera on my machine, but it starts offset like way too high, so all i see of the window is the status bar, therefore i cant resize it properly, what do i do? |
| 01:55.59 | stoned | and the windows drivers give an option for stuff like eq, chanigng surround settings like room, padded cell, hall, etc. etc. |
| 01:56.06 | stoned | something like that I can do in linux/ |
| 01:56.14 | robin_sz | troubleboy, use the alt key and the mouse to move it |
| 01:56.22 | stoned | I basically want the 3d sound to be controlled, but alsamixer gui makes no diff. on the 3d sound bars |
| 01:56.26 | stoned | in windows it works |
| 01:56.37 | stoned | alsa detected as a regular intel ich8 audio |
| 01:56.49 | sobersabre | stoned do you mean hda ? |
| 01:56.58 | stoned | yes |
| 01:57.03 | sobersabre | high definition crap ? |
| 01:57.06 | stoned | "hi-def" uaido |
| 01:57.10 | stoned | audio( |
| 01:57.12 | stoned | * |
| 01:57.12 | sobersabre | yep, sure |
| 01:57.16 | stoned | fuck my keyboard sucks |
| 01:57.19 | stoned | oh great, do tell |
| 01:57.19 | troubleboy | robin_sz: i've been trying to figure that out forever, so fucking simple, thank you |
| 01:57.36 | sobersabre | I have only heard bad things about that card. |
| 01:57.39 | sobersabre | :)\ |
| 01:57.46 | stoned | well im cheap ok |
| 01:57.52 | stoned | thats whats on my mobo |
| 01:57.53 | sobersabre | even such cases when it didn't work with linux at all |
| 01:57.56 | stoned | I have to deal with it |
| 01:58.04 | robin_sz | stoned, try replacing your sound card with a Avid Media Composer and a AMS/Neve desk |
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| 01:58.19 | robin_sz | troubleboy, no problem |
| 01:58.50 | Wyzard | stoned: The HDA isn't bad, afaik, but Linux support for it doesn't seem to be really mature yet -- it works for basic sound but that's about it |
| 01:59.14 | sobersabre | robin_sz ? wtf is avid media composer ? |
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| 01:59.27 | sobersabre | I have heard about RME, M-Audio, |
| 01:59.35 | sobersabre | MOTU for crying out loud |
| 01:59.47 | sobersabre | or Lynx ( which still doesn't work with linux ) |
| 01:59.57 | Wyzard | stoned: On my motherboard (also ICH8) and 2.6.18, it even gets the mixer channels wrong, so that (for example) the "rear" slider controls the front left speaker or something like that |
| 01:59.58 | sobersabre | what is Avid Media Composer ? |
| 02:00.02 | Guerin | sobersabre: man lynx :) |
| 02:00.31 | stoned | awe |
| 02:00.34 | stoned | Wyzard: :( |
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| 02:01.05 | sobersabre | stoned I think a 150$ M-Audio card will serve you really well |
| 02:01.08 | stoned | decapitated is good |
| 02:01.08 | Wyzard | stoned: Someone here told me a few days ago that that's fixed in 2.6.20, but it doesn't really affect my ability to play sound so I'll wait for 2.6.20 to be packaged |
| 02:01.22 | stoned | yeh |
| 02:01.23 | stoned | lets wait |
| 02:01.35 | stoned | sobersabre: I need a spare 5000$ to build a studio |
| 02:01.43 | stoned | no money right now |
| 02:01.43 | robin_sz | sobersabre, never heard of Avid? high end pro audio and video post prod stuff |
| 02:01.57 | stoned | 500-1000 to a cheapo pc based |
| 02:02.13 | robin_sz | avid starts at 50K |
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| 02:02.41 | sobersabre | robin_sz I don't believe in "high end pro audio 100K$", but not used by anybody |
| 02:02.47 | robin_sz | and a Neve DFC will set you back twice that, for a small one |
| 02:02.51 | sobersabre | RME serves one's home studio just fine |
| 02:03.14 | robin_sz | sobersabre, well, you probably never worked in TV post production then |
| 02:03.26 | diskus | soundblaster live, cost me 10 euros ... |
| 02:03.39 | crn | how do i set the xterm defaults? .Xdefault .Xresources don't seem to work. |
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| 02:03.42 | sobersabre | robin_sz ... I'm sorry, I don't know what TV is, I don't have one |
| 02:03.50 | sobersabre | what is a TV? |
| 02:03.56 | robin_sz | sobersabre, well, its used for films too |
| 02:03.58 | diskus | television |
| 02:04.02 | dvs | !lart sobersabre |
| 02:04.04 | sobersabre | ah, telly :) |
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| 02:04.14 | sobersabre | I don't have that one too |
| 02:04.17 | Wyzard | stoned: http://www.behardware.com/art/imprimer/555/ seems interesting |
| 02:04.30 | diskus | well noone is using TV for movies anymore, it's projector probably now |
| 02:04.32 | dvs | sobersabre: you don't have a television? |
| 02:04.38 | robin_sz | well, im sure your 78rpm vinyl discs are jus great |
| 02:04.39 | stoned | peeking |
| 02:04.40 | sobersabre | dvs no |
| 02:05.00 | sobersabre | do you think this is bad ? |
| 02:05.01 | robin_sz | me neither, but I know how to work and Avid film composer :) |
| 02:05.26 | dvs | sobersabre: well, you'll probably end up smarter than people who do. ;-) |
| 02:05.28 | sobersabre | Is it better than Logic Audio Pro ? |
| 02:05.45 | robin_sz | http://www.ams-neve.com/html/models/Film__Post/DFC%20Gemini/index.php |
| 02:05.50 | robin_sz | look at that and drool |
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| 02:05.57 | haggz | I'm haing some keyboard issues and I have this several times in /var/log/messages 'atkbd.c: Unknown key released (translated set 2, code 0xe0 on isa0060/serio0).' Where do I start debugging? With xorg.conf or kernel modules/config? Using cheap generic 104 key ps/2 and Etch. |
| 02:06.01 | dvs | So neither one of you is watching the Super Bowl right now? |
| 02:06.12 | Deselect | Can anyone help me with a problem I am having with startup? http://paste.debian.net/21396 |
| 02:06.13 | robin_sz | SuperBowl? |
| 02:06.18 | dvs | ... |
| 02:06.20 | Wyzard | I doubt I'd be watching even if I did have a TV |
| 02:06.23 | robin_sz | some sort of cookery programme? |
| 02:06.23 | sobersabre | robin_sz I don't need more than 1 mackie :) |
| 02:06.28 | Deselect | I keep logging into TTY1 or TTY2 and KDM fails |
| 02:06.37 | Deselect | But only some of the time |
| 02:06.39 | crn | does the superbowl know how to set xdefaults? |
| 02:06.40 | robin_sz | Mackie ... ick :) I rememberthose |
| 02:06.51 | sobersabre | Deselect ... you have a startup and you want some help with it ? |
| 02:06.52 | robin_sz | analogue things :) |
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| 02:07.10 | sobersabre | robin_sz ... do you have anything against them ?! |
| 02:07.11 | Wyzard | robin_sz: It's a championship football (aka "soccer" in the rest of the world) game in the US |
| 02:07.13 | Deselect | sobersabre: Sorry, I am having problems with starting up |
| 02:07.16 | Deselect | At times. |
| 02:07.30 | sobersabre | starting up what ? |
| 02:07.49 | crn | Wyzard, no soccer ne football, noway no how |
| 02:07.50 | robin_sz | sobersabre, they were cheap and nasty .. OK for news suites and low end stuff |
| 02:08.10 | Deselect | sobersabre: the entire OS. It loads up, fails and logs into TTY1 or TTY2 instead of TTY7, KDM doesn't load, so switching to TTY7 gives a black screen |
| 02:08.29 | sobersabre | Deselect and ... what is the error you get ? |
| 02:08.39 | sobersabre | what is written in /var/log/X*.0.log ? |
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| 02:09.30 | robin_sz | sobersabre, to be fair, ours were not the best models mackie did .. ours had the connectors coming up vertically at the back of the desk, OK for quick lash-ups on portable use in hotels etc |
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| 02:09.40 | Deselect | sobersabre: I will check and be right back, okay? |
| 02:09.45 | Dembug | morning all |
| 02:09.50 | robin_sz | sobersabre, but not for permanent isntalls |
| 02:10.09 | sobersabre | robin_sz I need what I need at home. |
| 02:10.26 | sobersabre | and I don't need what you showed me at AMS-NEVE :) |
| 02:10.28 | Dembug | will hard linking a file in /var/www/html/user allow the user to see it without using ln -s ? :D |
| 02:10.32 | Dembug | is this good practice? |
| 02:10.35 | robin_sz | yeah, for home they are OK |
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| 02:10.53 | robin_sz | sobersabre, oh but the neve gemini is *lovley* ... |
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| 02:11.15 | sobersabre | it brings up only pain of paying, and no gain |
| 02:11.20 | sobersabre | in a home studio |
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| 02:11.30 | Deselect | sobersabre: Should I send the error log in a link? |
| 02:11.37 | robin_sz | shed loads of DSP ... its a "virtual" mixer, you have so much DSP resource and you just allocate it around, so much to effects, so many channels of this .. so many sub mixes ... |
| 02:11.58 | sobersabre | Deselect you should read the log file, and see anything extraordinary/suspicious... and understand that. |
| 02:12.17 | robin_sz | store the entire deck, recall it .. play the faders back thruogh a mix ... it rocks |
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| 02:12.36 | sobersabre | if you don't understand SOMETHING specific, ask about IT, don't be a badger, spill all the log file and ask us to read it all.. it isn't nice of you. |
| 02:12.43 | Deselect | sobersabre: The only thing I see is an error for a X11 font. But surely that wouldn't cause this issue? |
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| 02:13.10 | sobersabre | Deselect look for a string EE ( meaning error ) |
| 02:13.18 | Deselect | sobersabre: I wasn't meaning to be rude. I am new to this and sometimes I am unable to verify what I should be looking for. |
| 02:13.35 | Deselect | sobersabre: Right, there aren't any is what I am saying. |
| 02:13.48 | Deselect | Only a warning |
| 02:13.56 | Reiser_X | help with gnugk, is driving me crazy |
| 02:14.17 | dvs | Deselect: Did you look for (EE) in the file? (using the search feature)? |
| 02:14.19 | Deselect | sobersabre: humblest apologies... I didn't scroll ') |
| 02:14.28 | Deselect | sobersabre: I see some now, yes. |
| 02:14.29 | diskus | Deselect: you had other link with error, can you past it again? |
| 02:15.08 | Deselect | http://paste.debian.net/21396 was the original link... But I have now found somethins in the log starting with EE |
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| 02:17.35 | Deselect | The errors are here: http://paste.debian.net/21397 |
| 02:20.11 | Deselect | Those are only the errors marked (EE) |
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| 02:20.33 | Deselect | But it still doesn't explain why it isn't a persistent problem... Some startups are fine. |
| 02:20.34 | diskus | well seems everyone is sleeping who maybe knows answer to that |
| 02:21.33 | diskus | Deselect: was it right from the start when you installed debian that random startups failed? |
| 02:21.54 | Deselect | diskus: No. It's been fine by and large. Only with the last for updates I have been getting the problem |
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| 02:22.52 | pstickne | err, what's the nifty program for creating a screen capture again? |
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| 02:24.26 | diskus | Deselect: I don't know much about X and debian, last time I installed X on my machine was like 2 years ago |
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| 02:25.19 | Deselect | diskus: Yeah... Thanks. I am getting some assistance in another channel. I think I have somehow offended some of the people here. |
| 02:25.27 | Deselect | diskus: Have a good night. |
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| 02:26.52 | jelly-home | pstickne: scrot? |
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| 02:30.55 | pstickne | oh, yeah, thanks jelly-home! (I always forget the name) |
| 02:31.24 | jelly-home | pstickne: I always remember "scrotum" for some reason O:-) |
| 02:33.12 | Ubuh-Huntuh | my ass smells |
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| 02:41.25 | kritical | Does anyone know a way to transfer files faster than ftp? |
| 02:42.03 | Wyzard | Faster than FTP? |
| 02:42.03 | Dewi | kritical: FTP should be pretty fast, although logging into it is slow |
| 02:42.12 | Wyzard | FTP doesn't really limit the speed of your transfer |
| 02:42.13 | dvs | kritical: if you are refreshing files that are already there, you can try rsync. |
| 02:42.37 | Dewi | kritical: if you are transferring files available from many sources, you can try bittorrent |
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| 02:44.16 | kritical | Just moving files from one box to another at the tune of 13 gig |
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| 02:44.43 | Wyzard | You can use tar and netcat together to transfer files without needing to set up an FTP server |
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| 02:44.55 | prower | Hello :> Anyone here using the testing release as their main desktop? Just curious about the stability, etc. |
| 02:44.56 | Wyzard | but it won't really be any faster... you're limited by the speed of your network in either case |
| 02:45.05 | kritical | Well the ftp server was already running.. |
| 02:45.26 | Wyzard | prower: testing is close to being relased so it should be fine... lots of people run it already |
| 02:45.30 | kritical | Cheers |
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| 02:45.56 | Wyzard | prower: I run unstable and even that's fine most of the time |
| 02:46.46 | madd_matt | prower, I run testing, and its more stable than most distros. I haven't had any troubles with it at all. |
| 02:47.03 | prower | Ahh, okay...thanks everyone :> Just wanted to make sure it was reasonably stable before making the switch over, ha |
| 02:47.36 | jelly-home | prower: it won't eat your cat |
| 02:47.37 | madd_matt | I wouldn't run a mission critical server on it, but an everyday desktop, it'll do just fine. |
| 02:48.10 | jelly-home | prower: probably. To be safe, I don't have a cat. |
| 02:48.27 | prower | madd_matt: Ahh...I'm assuming security updates are available for testing though? :> |
| 02:48.40 | prower | jelly-home: I'll have to keep that in mind ;> |
| 02:49.06 | madd_matt | prower, testing isn't officially supported with the security updates, but they do come. |
| 02:49.09 | jelly-home | oh yes, no real security updates either |
| 02:49.51 | dvs | huh? not even from security.debian.org ? |
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| 02:50.06 | dvs | deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:50.12 | dvs | ? |
| 02:50.22 | Dewi | dvs: that exists but usually you just have to get the next version of the package |
| 02:50.29 | dvs | oh ok |
| 02:51.06 | Dewi | dvs: which obviously happens way more often, and often requires human intervention too, so I certainly don't do it as often as I ought |
| 02:51.32 | Dewi | but I don't run testing in production. Just at home. |
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| 02:51.44 | prower | Hmm...that doesn't sound too encouraging :/ Sounds like getting security updates for testing is a pain |
| 02:51.55 | Firestarter- | What are the packages needed by kde to play sounds? |
| 02:52.14 | dvs | prower: getting it is not a pain but they are much less frequent. |
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| 02:54.17 | TTT_Travis | is sarge latest? |
| 02:54.30 | dvs | TTT_Travis: officially |
| 02:54.36 | TTT_Travis | k |
| 02:54.41 | Wyzard | TTT_Travis: yes, though etch is getting ready for release |
| 02:54.57 | dvs | Wyzard: then where is it????? ;-) |
| 02:55.10 | TTT_Travis | k |
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| 02:55.35 | prower | Will it be difficult to "switch" over to etch (stable) from testing once it's finally out? (Whenever that will be ;>) |
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| 02:55.54 | dvs | prower: no. that's one thing they test for. |
| 02:56.09 | prower | dvs: Ahh, well that's good to hear |
| 02:57.21 | AI_coder | two unrelated questions, both pretty specific and i don't expect anyone actually to know but i'll ask anyway |
| 02:57.23 | AI_coder | 1. where should namevirtualhost go in /etc/apache2? the individual sites in /etc/apache2/sites-available/site.com or elsewhere? |
| 02:57.28 | AI_coder | 2. is there a way to delete songs from the xmms gui? |
| 02:58.15 | dvs | it's over. Colts win. |
| 02:58.26 | Wyzard | AI_coder: "NameVirtualHost *" is in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 02:58.34 | Wyzard | AI_coder: so you don't need to add it yourself |
| 02:58.51 | Wyzard | AI_coder: Unless I added that there in my installation and forgot about it... |
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| 02:58.56 | jelly-home | Wyzard: unless you disable the default entry |
| 02:59.03 | Wyzard | true |
| 02:59.13 | Wyzard | but why do that? |
| 02:59.23 | AI_coder | yeah i don't use 000-default and also i mix ip based and name based virtual hosts |
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| 02:59.36 | AI_coder | so i've got 4 ip's and 5 sites |
| 02:59.38 | Wyzard | There's always a default, so you might as well have it explicit rather than just whatever other vhost happens to get loaded first |
| 03:00.17 | Wyzard | AI_coder: You'd probably want to comment out the "NameVirtualHost" in the default vhost, then |
| 03:00.58 | Wyzard | AI_coder: and I guess put IP-specific NameVirtualHost entries in your individual vhost files, right above the corresponding <VirtualHost> |
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| 03:01.39 | pipeline | How can I get debootstrap running on redhat? |
| 03:02.04 | AI_coder | Wyzard: what would you do if two vhost files use the same namevirtualhost? |
| 03:02.13 | AI_coder | it errors out if you put them in both files... |
| 03:02.14 | Wyzard | pipeline: If you look in the Debian install guide for the section on how to install using debootstrap, there's a link to an RPM of it, IIRC |
| 03:03.16 | Wyzard | AI_coder: dunno in that case, sorry... maybe consolidate your NameVirtualHost directives in a file in mods-enabled or something |
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| 03:03.50 | AI_coder | yeah, was thinking of something like that or just commenting out the namevirtualhost in the second, third and so on vhost files |
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| 03:04.05 | AI_coder | but it would still be there so i could see it |
| 03:04.05 | pipeline | Wyzard: sweeeet |
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| 03:06.51 | pipeline | I installed Redhat on my desktop in order to get a working kernel and initrd; now I have to reconstruct my old debian userland :\ |
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| 03:18.42 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 03:21.25 | stoned | hey I fixed my font problem |
| 03:21.30 | dvs | yay! |
| 03:21.33 | stoned | I got DejaVu Serif Condensed |
| 03:21.51 | stoned | I just copied DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf to DejaVuSerif.ttf |
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| 03:22.15 | stoned | apparantly it was the fontfamily tag being changed in fontconfig 2.4.2 |
| 03:22.32 | stoned | well the way it handles preferred family tags |
| 03:23.02 | stoned | I could isntall fontconfig 2.4.1 or I could just use it like this |
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| 03:24.19 | Azar | heh Testing Release 20 CDs (Etch) $52.97 ++ |
| 03:24.26 | dvs | ouch! |
| 03:24.40 | Azar | http://www.1stdebian.com/testing.html |
| 03:24.40 | excelblue | gee... ouch |
| 03:24.43 | excelblue | download... and run |
| 03:24.58 | Azar | it's not about the money... I was just curious to see if I can get Etch on CDs |
| 03:25.28 | Azar | I am download/burn disabled... |
| 03:25.36 | dvs | disabled? |
| 03:25.56 | Azar | dvs, I never ever was able to handle burning cds not even on windows |
| 03:26.02 | Azar | I simply do not get it |
| 03:26.09 | dvs | Azar: get a DVD writer? |
| 03:26.18 | Azar | dvs I have one |
| 03:26.31 | stoned | lol |
| 03:26.36 | Azar | I destroyed 27 CDs back when I tried to burn Woody |
| 03:26.46 | stoned | wow |
| 03:26.51 | Azar | now, if stoned would move in with me and teach me... |
| 03:26.57 | stoned | lol |
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| 03:27.59 | excelblue | heh, did you burn them as iso and fixate? |
| 03:28.15 | Azar | I am curious since I installed ok from Woody CD1 but was not able to install from the Sarge installer... want to see if I can handle Etch installer |
| 03:28.30 | excelblue | heh, it's quite similar |
| 03:28.33 | jelly-home | Azar: do you have an internet connection? |
| 03:28.35 | excelblue | go gui though :) |
| 03:28.42 | Azar | excelblue: I tried all variants, told you already: destroyed 27 CDs |
| 03:28.54 | Azar | jelly-home: I guess so, I am here no? |
| 03:29.21 | jelly-home | Azar: you don't need all the cds then, just the first one (or netinst) |
| 03:29.33 | jelly-home | Azar: use a cd-rw. |
| 03:29.34 | Azar | no wait, first I broke my CD-RW and replaced it, then I broke all remaining CDS |
| 03:29.35 | excelblue | hmm... how did you destroy 27 CDs? |
| 03:29.49 | dvs | excelblue: coasters? |
| 03:29.50 | dendrite | That's a lot of coasters... |
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| 03:30.17 | excelblue | I remember when I got a pack of Made in India CDs by Moser Baer... |
| 03:30.23 | excelblue | in a 100-pack, 60 of them were coasters |
| 03:30.30 | stoned | lol |
| 03:30.38 | excelblue | after a bit, I thought: maybe fedex overnight + online is a better deal |
| 03:30.49 | excelblue | (ended up getting the Riteks - haven't had a problem so far) |
| 03:30.53 | jelly-home | or use a normal brand |
| 03:31.06 | stoned | hey what the hell happaend to firefox in debian |
| 03:31.14 | dvs | stoned: it got iced |
| 03:31.17 | stoned | I figured they'd leave it in non-free maybe |
| 03:31.17 | stoned | ? |
| 03:31.19 | predder | you mean iceweasel? |
| 03:31.23 | dvs | yup |
| 03:31.40 | stoned | well I've heard of a shit load of problems in iceweasel |
| 03:31.45 | stoned | I think I'll download firefox |
| 03:31.51 | dendrite | Azar: Go to http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/index.html and search for etch |
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| 03:32.02 | predder | I havent come across any thus far stoned :) |
| 03:32.15 | predder | well, at least not any that werent already in firefox 2 |
| 03:32.23 | jelly-home | predder: I don't like the icon. :-> |
| 03:32.46 | dendrite | Azar: etch netinst, US$5, etch 3 DVD: US$15 |
| 03:32.57 | stoned | is there some sort of an 'screen' thingy for X? |
| 03:33.04 | stoned | s/an/a |
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| 03:33.17 | jelly-home | stoned: what would it do? |
| 03:33.19 | dvs | stoned: multiple desktops? |
| 03:33.31 | stoned | it would like screen, for X apps |
| 03:33.46 | stoned | like you ssh somewhere, start xterm in screen, and kill the X server |
| 03:33.55 | stoned | restart X server and it should be still be there |
| 03:34.02 | stoned | that kinda screen thingy for X |
| 03:34.05 | stoned | is that possible? |
| 03:34.14 | jelly-home | stoned: there's ratpoison, a "windows manager" that hates the mouse and keeps all the windows maximized |
| 03:34.27 | stoned | no |
| 03:34.44 | stoned | I mean screen type attach/detach functionality but for ssh -X (X clients) |
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| 03:35.07 | dendrite | stoned: VNC is about as close as I can think of. |
| 03:35.54 | stoned | what are some nice console font packages? |
| 03:35.56 | stoned | fixed width |
| 03:36.28 | Azar | hmm ok what is netinst? |
| 03:36.39 | stoned | Azar: umm.. you serious? |
| 03:36.50 | Azar | stoned: yep , never used stuff like that |
| 03:36.56 | dendrite | Azar: A minimal CD, designed to install a basic system and then download the rest as needed. |
| 03:37.06 | Azar | ah the base install... |
| 03:37.12 | stoned | Azar: its a cd with the debian base system on it which installs merely the base system |
| 03:37.16 | Azar | yep that sounds good |
| 03:37.34 | dendrite | Azar: You at cheapbytes.com? :-) |
| 03:37.36 | Azar | since I never install all the other cds |
| 03:37.45 | Azar | not yet holdon |
| 03:38.51 | Azar | ok |
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| 03:39.25 | Azar | I only need the 1st CD, the base that also has the recover stuff |
| 03:39.43 | dendrite | Azar: Netinstall should do. |
| 03:39.52 | Azar | dendrite: don't see it |
| 03:40.01 | Azar | http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011377.html |
| 03:40.41 | Azar | RC1? don't we already reached a higher version of the installer? |
| 03:40.42 | dvs | Azar: http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011376.html |
| 03:40.45 | dendrite | http://shop.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070011376.html |
| 03:42.29 | Azar | allright :) thanks guys |
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| 03:43.07 | abrocadabro | where do I enable nat in 2.6.20 kernel config? |
| 03:43.09 | Azar | got it, |
| 03:43.24 | dvs | Azar: that's fast shipping! |
| 03:43.28 | Azar | heck 2.6.20 maybe only in sid? |
| 03:43.35 | Azar | dvs hehehe noo... I just boughtit |
| 03:43.38 | jelly-home | stoned: If you like the font, console-terminus |
| 03:44.04 | jelly-home | is 2.6.20 out? |
| 03:44.12 | abrocadabro | Azar: not yet, got it from kernel.org, |
| 03:44.58 | twobitsprite | hmm... does someone know offhand the driver for a "Dell Wirelss 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI card"? |
| 03:45.00 | Azar | abrocadabro: are you using sid? |
| 03:45.07 | twobitsprite | (That's all lspci tells me) |
| 03:45.08 | abrocadabro | Azar: yes |
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| 03:45.21 | Azar | twobitsprite: stoned is your helper there |
| 03:45.23 | jelly-home | to answer my question, yes, fresh out of the oven: 2.6.20 2007-02-04 19:00 UTC |
| 03:45.25 | Azar | :) hehe |
| 03:45.27 | abrocadabro | Azar: but I didn't get 2.6.20 from sid repo |
| 03:45.35 | twobitsprite | stoned: ping? :) |
| 03:45.49 | Azar | abrocadabro: well that for is sid to test all crazy stuff from the net on |
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| 03:46.37 | jelly-home | Azar: upstream released it 8 hours ago, and you want it in Debian already? |
| 03:46.52 | dvs | jelly-home: it's the Microsoft way! |
| 03:46.57 | black_13 | does compiling the kernel create the kernel headers? |
| 03:47.03 | twobitsprite | dvs: since when? |
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| 03:47.12 | jelly-home | dvs: it is definitely NOT. |
| 03:47.14 | twobitsprite | black_13: some of them |
| 03:47.18 | black_13 | or how do install the vmware server on debian etch |
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| 03:47.28 | dvs | twobitsprite: getting the x.0 version of more things is risky. |
| 03:47.42 | twobitsprite | black_13: ahh yeah... you need to do a config, and a build on your linux sources |
| 03:48.05 | twobitsprite | dvs: eh? |
| 03:48.11 | jelly-home | black_13: just install an appropriate kernel-headers-* (or linux-headers-*) package matching your installed kernel |
| 03:48.20 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: no you don't |
| 03:48.29 | twobitsprite | so... is there a site which will help me map what lspci tells me to what driver I need? |
| 03:48.32 | black_13 | sorry which is it? |
| 03:48.45 | jelly-home | black_13: uname -r |
| 03:48.53 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: it seemed to me when I was installing vmware it wanted me to build the sources |
| 03:49.18 | black_13 | twobitsprite, for the vmmon services |
| 03:50.18 | twobitsprite | black_13: yeah... I seem to remember having to at least partially build the sources to get all the headers, etc... but I could be wrong... you're probably better off listening to jelly-home |
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| 03:50.21 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: hm, you could be right, I don't have it here to verify that headers only are enough |
| 03:50.30 | twobitsprite | hmm |
| 03:50.45 | twobitsprite | black_13: try it with just the headers, and if that doesn't work, try it my way :) |
| 03:50.46 | Azar | hey is anyone good with programming Java here? |
| 03:50.54 | Azar | cuz I got something fun to read |
| 03:51.04 | Guerin | Azar: you want #java |
| 03:51.15 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: I mixed up - my machine with vmware has a custom kernel, and the one with debian kernel doesn't have vmware |
| 03:51.16 | Azar | fun no.... hysterical |
| 03:51.25 | scv | is java still alive? |
| 03:51.25 | Azar | Guerin: I don't have friends in #java |
| 03:51.31 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: ahh |
| 03:51.58 | twobitsprite | scv: yeah... all of those early adopters to java who got rolled up in all the hype are kind of stuck there now |
| 03:52.06 | Azar | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/So_Bad_It_Needs_An_Apology.aspx |
| 03:52.09 | jelly-home | black_13: paste the output of uname -r |
| 03:52.14 | black_13 | sure |
| 03:52.14 | scv | the free java has completed? |
| 03:52.22 | Guerin | scv: no. |
| 03:52.27 | scv | -_- |
| 03:52.29 | black_13 | 2.6.18 |
| 03:52.45 | jelly-home | black_13: that's not a debian kernel |
| 03:52.57 | black_13 | custom kernel |
| 03:53.03 | Azar | Mr. Guerin what how you gonna spend the valentine day? |
| 03:53.03 | black_13 | from the debian sources |
| 03:53.09 | jelly-home | black_13: then you already have the sources |
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| 03:53.50 | black_13 | but vwmare keeps asking for /usr/src/linux/include |
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| 03:53.53 | Guerin | Azar: I have an paper to hand in two days befre and an exam two days after. |
| 03:53.55 | scv | when is the valentine day? 02/13? |
| 03:54.03 | jelly-home | black_13: you could make a symlink or point it to where the source is actually palaces |
| 03:54.07 | jelly-home | placed* |
| 03:54.10 | Guerin | scv: 14 |
| 03:54.13 | scv | oh |
| 03:54.21 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: if you like your guest machines to run slow yeah |
| 03:54.28 | Azar | Guerin: awwww your wife could be dissapointed if you don't allocate at least 3 hours for her |
| 03:54.31 | scv | I think I am too young to play that |
| 03:54.33 | Supaplex | SerajewelKS: kqemu |
| 03:54.46 | jelly-home | Supaplex: kqemu is as free as vmware server |
| 03:56.17 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: kqemu is (1) not as fast as vmware, and is (2) also nonfree |
| 03:56.18 | Azar | I have moved my valentine day on halloween.... is more proper for me |
| 03:56.18 | scv | Supaplex, are you using qumu? |
| 03:56.18 | black_13 | build -> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 03:56.18 | Supaplex | it's not foss, but it's closer then vmware will ever be. |
| 03:56.19 | Supaplex | scv: yea |
| 03:56.19 | excelblue | heh, vmware is way better IMO |
| 03:56.19 | excelblue | when you want something that just works well |
| 03:56.19 | scv | can qemu run vista? |
| 03:56.19 | jelly-home | black_13: no, cd /usr/src; ln -s linux-source-2.6.18 linux |
| 03:56.19 | excelblue | I don't think it can - not too stable |
| 03:56.19 | SerajewelKS | Supaplex: once qemu has an accelerated video driver i will consider it |
| 03:56.19 | scv | hahahaha |
| 03:56.19 | Supaplex | never had vista |
| 03:56.19 | excelblue | vmware can run vista though without problem |
| 03:56.19 | Guerin | scv: bigger question: who cares? |
| 03:56.20 | scv | lol |
| 03:56.32 | excelblue | * well, with the exception of lack of 3d, vmware can handle it |
| 03:56.37 | jelly-home | black_13: funny, if you have correct links under /lib/modules/`uname -r`, vmware should be able to find your kernel |
| 03:56.47 | excelblue | in the spirit of free software, qemu w/o kqemu is proably the best |
| 03:57.00 | excelblue | you could try qvm86 (or what was it called again) |
| 03:57.01 | jelly-home | excelblue: Xen! :-) |
| 03:57.03 | scv | Supaplex, what's the speed of your qemu box? |
| 03:57.08 | SerajewelKS | excelblue: or kvm if you have a VT chip |
| 03:57.14 | excelblue | oh yeah |
| 03:57.20 | SerajewelKS | which i don't sadly |
| 03:57.24 | black_13 | jelly-home, yeah "funny" |
| 03:57.25 | Guerin | freeness isn't just about license, it's abuot functionality |
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| 03:57.40 | Guerin | free software is trustworthy and fixable. Proproetary software ain't. |
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| 03:57.44 | Supaplex | scv: try it yourself and find out. |
| 03:57.47 | excelblue | best combo of function/license is vmplayer or vmware server IMO |
| 03:57.54 | excelblue | but give KVM a shot too |
| 03:58.05 | black_13 | vmware is a better product than qemu |
| 03:58.07 | jelly-home | Guerin: I haven't inspected the source of gcc for backdoors, have you? |
| 03:58.10 | Guerin | i just don't get why people obsess about virtualisation so much |
| 03:58.15 | Supaplex | scv: well, what? |
| 03:58.17 | Guerin | jelly-home: no, but I could. |
| 03:58.18 | excelblue | meanwhile... KVM - omg, they integrated KDE into the kernel, end of the world! |
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| 03:58.29 | Guerin | jelly-home: if I were a programmer ;) |
| 03:58.43 | black_13 | keeps looking for /usr/src/linux/include |
| 03:58.45 | Guerin | black_13: that's a question of utility. |
| 03:58.47 | jelly-home | Guerin: that must really make you trust open source more. ;-) |
| 03:58.47 | lindenle | has anyone here ever had problems with tcp_window_scaling and can explain what exactly it is? |
| 03:58.54 | Guerin | jelly-home: yes, it does. |
| 03:59.05 | Supaplex | black_13: sure, it's better, but you can't fix it. hah :p |
| 03:59.08 | black_13 | but right now its moot if i cant get to install |
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| 03:59.24 | lindenle | never mind Bug#407735 |
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| 04:00.14 | Azar | hey stoned.. |
| 04:00.15 | jelly-home | black_13: do you have an old version of vmware, perhaps? |
| 04:00.24 | black_13 | 5.5.3 |
| 04:00.33 | jelly-home | workstation? |
| 04:00.36 | black_13 | si |
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| 04:01.15 | Azar | you are not only smart.... but have good instincts too |
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| 04:02.31 | black_13 | ok im going to start over |
| 04:02.37 | jelly-home | black_13: hmm, that's the current release. No idea. My free vmware server finds the sources and compiles nicely. |
| 04:02.47 | stoned | yo |
| 04:02.57 | stoned | Azar: how's that |
| 04:03.04 | black_13 | jelly-home, where do i get the free vmware server |
| 04:03.06 | scv | is vmware open-source? |
| 04:03.07 | hark | black_13: try the any-any update |
| 04:03.18 | Azar | you left Dell in time man: http://news.com.com/2100-1047_3-6156069.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news |
| 04:03.18 | excelblue | scv: no |
| 04:03.22 | scv | ... |
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| 04:03.28 | black_13 | what is any-any (please excluse my ignorance) |
| 04:03.29 | jelly-home | black_13: also, if you have tampered with the source after compiling (make menuconfig or something), it might not recognize it. |
| 04:03.32 | excelblue | well, it's partially open-source |
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| 04:04.30 | black_13 | jelly-home, so i should download the linux-image then linux headers and try over |
| 04:04.32 | jelly-home | black_13: google for vmware-any-any, it's a third party set of patches for the vmmon/vmnet modules that usually fixes common problems and sometimes adds features |
| 04:04.34 | stoned | you know |
| 04:04.36 | scv | jelly-home, could you give me a price-discount on vmware? |
| 04:04.38 | stoned | Dell's eyes are really close together |
| 04:04.45 | wickers | Hey guys, I need a bit of direction in configuring my pure-ftpd server on etch. |
| 04:04.45 | stoned | he kinda looks like a money |
| 04:04.46 | wickers | This the place? |
| 04:04.49 | stoned | monkey* |
| 04:04.51 | jelly-home | scv: not a reseller, sorry |
| 04:04.51 | Azar | yep man, that's weird |
| 04:04.51 | stoned | or bush |
| 04:04.55 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 04:05.02 | stoned | :D |
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| 04:05.03 | scv | jelly-home, o.o |
| 04:05.15 | black_13 | jelly-home, what does it patch? |
| 04:05.15 | hark | black_13: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/ |
| 04:05.16 | sohail | i don't suppose anyone can help me debug a kernel panic on the net install |
| 04:05.25 | Azar | whos left now at Dell will starv if don't get the pink slip |
| 04:05.35 | sohail | it happens after its done searching for hardware for the cdrom (or something to that effect) |
| 04:05.37 | jelly-home | black_13: it brings new versions of module sources and patches some scripts |
| 04:05.50 | debfanman | black_13: meanwhile, the vmware-any-any patches are a clevery placed download that jelly-home placed on the net 5 minutes prior ;) |
| 04:06.00 | jelly-home | debfanman: HUSH |
| 04:06.07 | hark | there's also supposed to be an open source alternative to vmware. VirtualBox.. should be in Debian soon |
| 04:06.16 | stoned | well |
| 04:06.23 | stoned | I quit after I got my paycheck |
| 04:06.29 | Azar | hehe smart |
| 04:06.31 | stoned | then after I quit I got 3000$ more |
| 04:06.37 | debfanman | jelly-home: you know, qa quicker person would have noted my spello's by now ;p |
| 04:06.37 | stoned | and then a week later 800$ |
| 04:06.46 | stoned | and just a few days ago 200$ |
| 04:06.52 | scv | I want an emulator/whatever to let me play my favorite games... |
| 04:06.55 | stoned | they keep giving me money even after quitting |
| 04:07.11 | Azar | awwww how nice |
| 04:07.15 | wickers | stoned: for what? |
| 04:07.20 | Azar | for quitting |
| 04:07.24 | debfanman | stoned: isnt that called welfare? |
| 04:07.24 | stoned | lol |
| 04:07.25 | jelly-home | debfanman: Eh, I think little of speling Nazis |
| 04:07.36 | Azar | man I think you got them crazy that they paid you to stay home |
| 04:07.37 | stoned | umm |
| 04:07.41 | stoned | welfare |
| 04:07.48 | stoned | that the commission and bonuses I earned |
| 04:07.54 | stoned | wtf has that go to do with welfare |
| 04:08.02 | stoned | don't jump in a conv. you have no idea about |
| 04:08.04 | scv | welfare? |
| 04:08.06 | Azar | see the article: read dell's lips: no mo bonuses |
| 04:08.14 | stoned | you're like a child who wonders into the middle of a movie and starts asking questions |
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| 04:08.17 | stoned | geez. |
| 04:08.30 | sohail | stoned, don't companies start doing that after they make lots of money? |
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| 04:08.37 | stoned | sohail |
| 04:08.38 | scv | do you like dell computers? |
| 04:08.39 | debfanman | stoned: wow, touchy person you are :/ |
| 04:08.40 | trelane | where's the list of outstanding bugs to stabilize etch? |
| 04:08.47 | stoned | nice name |
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| 04:08.54 | sohail | stoned, thats my real name |
| 04:08.57 | sohail | :) |
| 04:08.59 | stoned | one of my real good friends back home is called sohail |
| 04:09.02 | stoned | Sohail Butt |
| 04:09.11 | stoned | hes one of those big time gangsters or someting |
| 04:09.14 | scv | sohail? |
| 04:09.16 | sohail | fortunately I was not blessed with that last name |
| 04:09.21 | stoned | lol |
| 04:09.26 | Guerin | stoned: OMGZ, you know the Karachi Mafia! |
| 04:09.35 | stoned | Guerin: of coruse I do man |
| 04:09.42 | scv | what's that? |
| 04:09.48 | Guerin | scv: what's what? |
| 04:09.55 | scv | the mafia |
| 04:09.57 | stoned | Guerin: my uncle is the supertendant of police in karachi, another uncle is with the Rangers, and my aunt is a magistrte |
| 04:09.57 | sohail | do you also know why i get "fatal exception in interrupt" when booting debian net install? |
| 04:10.05 | Guerin | scv: this world is a very confusing place for you, innit? |
| 04:10.13 | sohail | stoned, small world! my uncle went to jail |
| 04:10.15 | sohail | there |
| 04:10.21 | sohail | lol |
| 04:10.22 | scv | maybe |
| 04:10.23 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:10.24 | sohail | in a sad way |
| 04:10.30 | stoned | small world indeed |
| 04:10.32 | Guerin | stoned: awesome. I'll need to drop your name when I get arrested for drunk & disorderly next time I'm there... |
| 04:10.56 | stoned | when I get picked up from the air port in karachi, there is usually 10 security cars, police and rangers involved |
| 04:10.59 | stoned | its great |
| 04:11.05 | stoned | I think my uncle might be corrupt though |
| 04:11.12 | stoned | hes too rich to be a cop |
| 04:11.15 | Azar | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ << still over 100 |
| 04:11.18 | stoned | or too rich for a cop |
| 04:11.20 | stoned | whatever |
| 04:11.21 | Guerin | and yet you stay in buttfuck-nowhere Oklahoma? |
| 04:11.23 | black_13 | jelly-home, is there an any-any for 5.5.3 |
| 04:11.31 | jelly-home | trelane: you feel lucky searching for "release.critical bugs" ... or http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 04:11.46 | scv | can the cop job make somebody rich? |
| 04:11.58 | stoned | if you accept bribes |
| 04:12.02 | Guerin | scv: depends on the cop. |
| 04:12.02 | scv | hahaha |
| 04:12.04 | jelly-home | black_13: just use the latest, I think. on that .cz site mentioned above |
| 04:12.04 | Azar | hey they don't pay taxes! |
| 04:12.07 | stoned | its bad over there.. you can pay the police to kill soeone for you |
| 04:12.12 | stoned | or pay them double to kill em yourself |
| 04:12.16 | stoned | they make up a false report |
| 04:12.22 | stoned | its pretty bad |
| 04:12.34 | jelly-home | black_13: <hark> black_13: http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/ |
| 04:12.38 | scv | can these say "I am the law"? |
| 04:12.41 | sohail | stoned, i wouldn't be surprised if your uncle was |
| 04:12.48 | sohail | bribes are normal |
| 04:12.54 | scv | oh |
| 04:12.55 | black_13 | jelly-home, color me clueless |
| 04:13.09 | Guerin | when I was in Viet Nam, we stayed at the hotel owned by a local traffic cop |
| 04:13.21 | scv | hehe |
| 04:13.22 | stoned | oh |
| 04:13.32 | stoned | the traffic police in pakistan is horrible |
| 04:13.37 | Guerin | ninety rooms, all in stone and stainless steel, double-glass, a garden and a fountain |
| 04:13.40 | trelane | jelly-home, thanks! |
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| 04:13.43 | stoned | they stop mostly rich people and tell em to pay a fine right then and there |
| 04:13.47 | scv | that's nothing, even in chinas |
| 04:13.48 | Guerin | this is in a town with an average annual income around $1000 |
| 04:14.00 | black_13 | jelly-home, im looking but its not jumping out at me |
| 04:14.01 | jelly-home | black_13: go there, download vmware-any-any-update107.tar.gz , try to use it? |
| 04:14.11 | Guerin | scv: yeah, that was this guy's deal. `Tolls' for using the local road. |
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| 04:14.46 | black_13 | yeah i downloaed that one and it built |
| 04:14.59 | stoned | sohail: one of my dad's childhood friends, one of teh biggest heroin smugglers in pakistan, in jail in karachi |
| 04:15.10 | stoned | Chauhdrey Naveed Iqbal |
| 04:15.12 | jelly-home | Guerin: bet they follow the traffic regulations very well! |
| 04:15.14 | sohail | stoned, sounds about right |
| 04:15.38 | Azar | that's nothing guys: a friend from romania just told me that the govt put a law that require all automobiles to be equiped with a first-aid box. but not any first-aid box but only one approved by the govt. and that box does not exist yet so police is enjoying giving fines to all drivers :D |
| 04:15.42 | sohail | now dude... wtf with my kernel panic |
| 04:15.49 | Guerin | jelly-home: yeah ... right :) |
| 04:15.51 | scv | Guerin, iirc, if you want to know some cheap ladies/chicks, you can just give the PLA soldiers a phon |
| 04:15.52 | stoned | my dad says his family was so poor, they would save up a whole week, and then eat meat on friday |
| 04:15.56 | scv | e call in china |
| 04:16.06 | sohail | stoned, that sounds about right too |
| 04:16.09 | sohail | stoned, so where are you now? |
| 04:16.10 | scv | sorry for my typos |
| 04:16.16 | stoned | sohail: he also says him and his friends pooled oney together and sent naveed to switzerland so he can study and make money |
| 04:16.17 | Guerin | scv: yeah, because it's hard to find whores in china. |
| 04:16.19 | sohail | butt fucking or something scrolled by |
| 04:16.20 | scv | Guerin, iirc, if you want to know some cheap ladies/chicks, you can just give the PLA soldiers a pho |
| 04:16.29 | scv | phone call |
| 04:16.32 | black_13 | sohail language |
| 04:16.33 | Guerin | scv: a guy offered us his daughter in Luoyang. |
| 04:16.44 | sohail | black_13, repeating what was scrolled! |
| 04:16.44 | stoned | hah, he came back with loads of money and started making frequent tips.. his mom got him started.. she said.. i need to marry off a daugher.. go son sell heroin and make money |
| 04:16.48 | stoned | sad story really |
| 04:16.48 | Azar | man thats sad |
| 04:16.54 | stoned | I met the lot when I was a kid |
| 04:17.03 | sohail | stoned, its that or free software |
| 04:17.09 | stoned | lol |
| 04:17.10 | stoned | yup |
| 04:17.10 | jelly-home | sohail: lol |
| 04:17.28 | Azar | nasty stories all over the globe... |
| 04:17.43 | Guerin | Azar: the world's a miserable place, *shock* |
| 04:17.44 | wickers | Hey guys, I need a bit of direction in configuring my pure-ftpd server on etch. |
| 04:17.49 | wickers | This the place? |
| 04:17.57 | wickers | #pureftpd is dead |
| 04:17.57 | scv | maybe |
| 04:17.58 | Guerin | wickers: aptitude install vsftpd pureftpd- |
| 04:18.02 | stoned | hah |
| 04:18.05 | Azar | Guerin: yep, hard to find a peaceful and civilized place |
| 04:18.05 | stoned | vsftpd > * |
| 04:18.16 | wickers | stoned: why? |
| 04:18.18 | stoned | Very Secure/Small ftpd |
| 04:18.19 | jelly-home | it has "very secure" in the NAME |
| 04:18.25 | sohail | hey guys I need help to not get whipped by this damn debian install |
| 04:18.30 | stoned | its quick and easy to setup |
| 04:18.33 | stoned | very featurefull |
| 04:18.37 | stoned | supports virtual users |
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| 04:18.41 | stoned | etc. etc. and the list goes on |
| 04:18.44 | wickers | stoned: does it have a small footprint? |
| 04:18.48 | stoned | very small |
| 04:18.54 | jelly-home | size 6 |
| 04:18.58 | stoned | try 43 |
| 04:18.58 | wickers | the target system is an NSLU2. |
| 04:18.59 | stoned | 4 |
| 04:19.03 | scv | some fake routers has a built-in ftp |
| 04:19.07 | wickers | so it needs to be 'small' |
| 04:19.09 | sohail | ok so it dies when "Searching for Debian installation media" in the net install |
| 04:19.10 | jelly-home | 43 is about size 9 |
| 04:19.13 | sohail | whats it searching for? |
| 04:19.14 | stoned | 4 |
| 04:19.15 | stoned | ! |
| 04:19.20 | jelly-home | 4! = 24 |
| 04:19.24 | stoned | huh? |
| 04:19.29 | sohail | factorial |
| 04:19.30 | Azar | man I got all my webmailed filled with ads about stuff that gets you to 9 inch |
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| 04:19.38 | scv | 4x3x2x1? |
| 04:19.39 | stoned | who said 24 |
| 04:19.39 | jelly-home | stoned: ! is a math operation... factorial |
| 04:19.51 | stoned | no its a fucking exclamination mark! |
| 04:19.56 | sohail | no really |
| 04:19.58 | Azar | :D |
| 04:19.58 | sohail | its factorial |
| 04:19.59 | stoned | emphasizes and captures the mood! |
| 04:20.04 | stoned | like !!! |
| 04:20.06 | stoned | dun dun dun |
| 04:20.09 | stoned | you kow |
| 04:20.10 | stoned | :D |
| 04:20.16 | sohail | I have an idea |
| 04:20.25 | scv | go ahead |
| 04:20.26 | sohail | lets pool our resources and help me get the net install to not kernel panic |
| 04:20.32 | stoned | lol |
| 04:20.34 | jelly-home | stoned: no dude, the high school maths spoiled ! signs after numbers for me, forver |
| 04:20.38 | SKaReCRoW | I just did a new install of Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6, and for some odd reason I can't su to root. I keep getting the su: Authentication failure error. I can login as root, and su to any user, but not to root. I've never had that happen to me on a Debian install before, and I've done a few dozen setups. Can anyone tell me why it might be doing that? |
| 04:20.38 | scv | ... |
| 04:20.43 | stoned | jelly-home: i know |
| 04:20.55 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:20.59 | stoned | sudo su passwd maybe |
| 04:21.03 | Azar | sohail: well, see if the kernel that comes with can support your hardware first right? |
| 04:21.04 | jelly-home | 4! is like 24, not "four, you sodding fart!" |
| 04:21.07 | stoned | did you disable root logins in insaller? |
| 04:21.10 | SKaReCRoW | stoned sudo wasn't installed. |
| 04:21.33 | stoned | SKaReCRoW: su -c "apt-get install sudo && nano visudo" |
| 04:21.35 | SKaReCRoW | stoned no, I didn't disable root logins... I can login as root with no problem... I can even ssh in as root, which I need to disable. |
| 04:21.41 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:21.44 | Azar | so sohail see which kernel version is installing, then research to see if that kernel can handle your hardware |
| 04:21.53 | sohail | Azar, I don't even know why its dying, except that I think its something to do with the cdrom which doesn't make sense since its reading from the cdrom? |
| 04:21.58 | kingsley | Is it just me, or do others also have trouble with rdiff-backup? First it stopped backing up my msdos filesystem, and now it won't restore a remote ext3 filesystem. |
| 04:22.06 | jelly-home | sohail: how old is your machine? |
| 04:22.15 | sohail | jelly-home, possibly older than my daughter |
| 04:22.21 | sohail | I got it from work |
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| 04:22.30 | SKaReCRoW | but as the machine doesn't have a keyboard or monitor hooked up to it, I can't disable root ssh logins until I'm able to su to root. |
| 04:22.30 | stoned | hah |
| 04:22.33 | stoned | I've got one too |
| 04:22.37 | jelly-home | sohail: try booting with disabled acpi |
| 04:22.41 | Azar | hmm you switch to cdrom in bios for using the installer... then when is done, do you switch back to the normal bootable device? |
| 04:22.42 | stoned | shes a wee girl of 7 |
| 04:22.44 | sohail | jelly-home, tried that one |
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| 04:22.50 | black_13 | btw debian make-live works pretty well |
| 04:22.58 | scv | oh |
| 04:23.00 | sohail | stoned, mine is 5 |
| 04:23.03 | stoned | word |
| 04:23.12 | sohail | I'm guessing my computer is around 1999 conservatively |
| 04:23.14 | stoned | you in pk? |
| 04:23.24 | stoned | hows it back home now |
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| 04:23.24 | scv | pk? |
| 04:23.24 | sohail | nope .bc.ca |
| 04:23.26 | stoned | I have not visited in alost a decade |
| 04:23.30 | stoned | ahh |
| 04:23.32 | jelly-home | sohail: yah, if it even has acpi it's going to be borken |
| 04:23.43 | sohail | jelly-home, why is that? |
| 04:23.55 | sohail | jelly-home, so something like boot: linux acpi=off ? |
| 04:24.03 | jelly-home | sohail: well, the first implementations weren't that good |
| 04:24.08 | stoned | i need food |
| 04:24.15 | stoned | im very hungry |
| 04:24.16 | sohail | jelly-home, I see |
| 04:24.28 | jelly-home | sohail: acpi=off noacpi ... I think both of them do something |
| 04:24.29 | SKaReCRoW | stoned any ideas? |
| 04:24.31 | sohail | stoned, food will solve that real nice |
| 04:24.41 | sohail | jelly-home, ok I'll try it again if it barfs |
| 04:24.44 | stoned | SKaReCRoW: not at all |
| 04:24.45 | jelly-home | !acpi |
| 04:24.46 | dpkg | i heard acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 04:25.03 | SKaReCRoW | Anyone else have any idea at all why I can't su to root on a fresh Debian install? |
| 04:25.03 | jelly-home | another unuseful factoid |
| 04:25.05 | stoned | I think I'll do a big mac and supersized fries |
| 04:25.07 | stoned | lots of fat |
| 04:25.07 | scv | my acpi is always on |
| 04:25.08 | jelly-home | !noacpi |
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| 04:25.15 | kiba_ | Hmm |
| 04:25.21 | scv | no problem |
| 04:25.22 | kiba_ | I seem to accidently exit out of the panel stuff |
| 04:25.25 | stoned | jelly-home: jelly. |
| 04:25.28 | jelly-home | scv: good for you. Do you have a 1999 machine? |
| 04:25.33 | stoned | boinky boinky |
| 04:25.38 | kiba_ | how do you start that KDE panel stuff at the bottom? |
| 04:25.40 | scv | no |
| 04:25.43 | sohail | it says "missing modules 'ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-floppy" |
| 04:25.44 | stoned | =) |
| 04:25.45 | sohail | don't know if that matters |
| 04:25.47 | scv | 2001 maybe |
| 04:25.59 | sohail | stoned, your wife will let you? |
| 04:26.04 | scv | mine has no y2k problem |
| 04:26.20 | jelly-home | scv: there was a y2k problem too? |
| 04:26.25 | stoned | sohail: uhh.. yeah.. I can jump on anything I want |
| 04:26.33 | sohail | stoned, good stuff |
| 04:26.45 | stoned | sohail: I'm not married |
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| 04:26.48 | stoned | so .. |
| 04:26.48 | jelly-home | scv: actually I don't want to know, sorry |
| 04:26.58 | wickers | w00t! vsftpd is 1/5th the installed footprint of pure-ftpd! :D |
| 04:27.03 | wickers | good call stoned |
| 04:27.14 | black_13 | jelly-home, so it should be the linux-headers-xxx and linux-image-xxx (should be) |
| 04:27.19 | stoned | !! yayayayayeyeeeeeeee !! |
| 04:27.26 | jelly-home | wickers: how do you measure footprint... Installed-Size? RSS memory? |
| 04:27.28 | kiba_ | my kde stuff disppear |
| 04:27.34 | jelly-home | black_13: yeah |
| 04:27.41 | stoned | kiba_: kicker & |
| 04:27.43 | kiba_ | well the panel stuff |
| 04:27.44 | stoned | kiba_: #kde |
| 04:27.47 | kiba_ | don't know where the went |
| 04:27.53 | stoned | kicker is the name of the executable panel |
| 04:27.56 | sohail | ok my call stack is like this http://rafb.net/p/zXpje623.html |
| 04:27.57 | stoned | kiba_: ask in #kde |
| 04:27.59 | sohail | I copied and pasted that |
| 04:28.00 | wickers | jelly-home: as in, unpacked filesystem space used footprint. |
| 04:28.04 | black_13 | and linux-image does also install initial ramd disk? |
| 04:28.05 | kiba_ | thanks |
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| 04:28.10 | sohail | stoned, nice |
| 04:28.17 | sohail | err I copied and typed that |
| 04:28.30 | stoned | food, away |
| 04:28.32 | SKaReCRoW | hrm, I can do sudo su root now that I installed sudo... Why can't I just su to root though? |
| 04:29.20 | jelly-home | wickers: Yeah. You can get that even before installing with apt-cache show foo |grep -i ^Installed-Size |
| 04:29.22 | dendrite | SKaReCRoW: Because su and sudo are two different things. |
| 04:29.39 | sohail | maybe I should just install ... dum dum dum dum ... ubuntu... and see if that works |
| 04:30.24 | wickers | jelly-home: I know, I just never bothered to look... I'm going to do some quick 'active' memory comparisons later, but now it's off to configin' the bugger. |
| 04:30.40 | nite613 | What happened to secure-testing? |
| 04:30.42 | SKaReCRoW | dendrite I am well aware sudo and su are two different things... My problem is, on a fresh Debian install, I can login as root and su to any user, but I can't su to root. It prompts me for a password, but it doesn't work. |
| 04:31.20 | dendrite | SKaReCRoW: Ah. Well, that is a more specific question, isn't it? Usually, this is caused by mistyping the root password. |
| 04:31.30 | jelly-home | SKaReCRoW: it should work if you know the password |
| 04:31.33 | SKaReCRoW | dendrite I asked my more specific question twice already. |
| 04:31.48 | SKaReCRoW | jelly-home no, it does not work with the correct password, or ANY password at all. |
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| 04:32.05 | SKaReCRoW | dendrite no, I did not mistype the password. |
| 04:32.06 | Quiznos | hi folks, is there anyone in Maryland here? |
| 04:32.13 | Guerin | !nickometer SKaReCRoW |
| 04:32.15 | dpkg | 'SKaReCRoW' is 97.370% lame, guerin |
| 04:32.16 | SKaReCRoW | Quizzy! lol |
| 04:32.20 | squisher | skarecrow: is this a new install? Otherwise check if maybe /etc/pam.d/su has been edited |
| 04:32.31 | dendrite | Quiznos: VA here, next door. :-) |
| 04:32.34 | route_ | squisher I just installed the box today. |
| 04:32.37 | Quiznos | SKaReCRoW what's funny? i have a guest in a radio station with dire need |
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| 04:32.46 | Quiznos | dendrite what's funny? i have a guest in a radio station with dire need |
| 04:32.54 | Quiznos | (ignore the 2 words |
| 04:33.01 | dendrite | Quiznos: Did I say something was funny? |
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| 04:33.07 | sohail | IM GOING TO SWEAR |
| 04:33.08 | route_ | Quiznos just laughing that you're always in the same channel as me. |
| 04:33.08 | Guerin | Quiznos: wtf? |
| 04:33.08 | sohail | ubuntu |
| 04:33.15 | Quiznos | route_ ah |
| 04:33.22 | dendrite | !confuse Quiznos |
| 04:33.22 | dpkg | No, them was your ferret yesterday, Quiznos? lederhosen of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 04:33.34 | Quiznos | dendrite no bot an outwit me :) |
| 04:33.49 | dendrite | Quiznos: There are several possible reasons why you cannot be outwitted... |
| 04:33.50 | sohail | he can out spell you! |
| 04:33.51 | jelly-home | pants with extra cream were more funny |
| 04:34.09 | Quiznos | i have a guest in Maryland, inexperienced with linux used to run radio stations. needs suse assistance; power outage, box wont boot, resierfs |
| 04:34.24 | Quiznos | this doesnt sound a dist prob |
| 04:34.35 | sohail | who sensibly uses reiserfs? |
| 04:34.43 | Quiznos | i duno |
| 04:34.43 | dendrite | Quiznos: And this SUSE, with a hosed reiserfs, is a Debian question??? |
| 04:34.49 | route_ | squisher /etc/pam.d/su should be exactly how it was after the fresh install... I never touched it. |
| 04:34.59 | nite613 | Quiznos is lost |
| 04:35.03 | dendrite | Quiznos: Tell 'em to restore from backup. |
| 04:35.05 | Quiznos | dendrite i'm looking for someone to make a "house call" to the company's shack |
| 04:35.09 | sohail | point Quiznos to #suse |
| 04:35.15 | Quiznos | been there, no answer |
| 04:35.17 | nite613 | #maryland ? |
| 04:35.22 | dendrite | Quiznos: And consider using a more stable/robust fs next time. |
| 04:35.23 | jelly-home | uh, reiserfs and power outage doesn't sound too good. reiserfsck can take hours (or days if in 100+GB territory) |
| 04:35.28 | Quiznos | dendrite not a choice |
| 04:35.37 | Quiznos | this guy needs recovery service |
| 04:35.49 | sohail | as in journaled? |
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| 04:35.58 | jelly-home | Quiznos: boot from a livecd and do fsck |
| 04:36.02 | Quiznos | the guest is in Baltimore |
| 04:36.12 | sohail | Quiznos, do a webcam |
| 04:36.16 | Quiznos | jelly-home would you join ##Linux and walk him through? |
| 04:36.22 | sohail | debian supports lots of webcams |
| 04:36.50 | route_ | I just did a new install of Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6, and for some odd reason I can't su to root. I keep getting the su: Authentication failure error. I can login as root, and su to any user, but not to root. I've never had that happen to me on a Debian install before, and I've done a few dozen setups. Can anyone tell me why it might be doing that? |
| 04:36.56 | jelly-home | Quiznos: unf. no, it's 5am here and I ahve to be awake at 8am |
| 04:37.02 | Quiznos | ok |
| 04:37.05 | Quiznos | ty |
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| 04:37.12 | sohail | route_, fix it like this: sudo su; passwd; done |
| 04:37.24 | sohail | jelly-home, are you sleep-irc'ing |
| 04:37.37 | route_ | sohail tell me how that would fix it. (which it wouldn't) |
| 04:37.37 | jelly-home | sohail: almost. |
| 04:37.48 | sohail | route_, I dunno |
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| 04:39.51 | black_13 | brb |
| 04:39.55 | rx | whats a good irc client |
| 04:40.31 | rx | or what do u guyz use> |
| 04:41.07 | sohail | an easy way to find out is to type /ctcp #debian version |
| 04:41.15 | route_ | BitchX |
| 04:41.37 | sohail | rx ^^ |
| 04:41.40 | sohail | quickest answer |
| 04:41.50 | rx | commandline is nice. but what about in more gui |
| 04:42.04 | route_ | gooeys are for lazy ppl |
| 04:42.06 | justin | rx: irc is all text, what is a gui going to do for you? |
| 04:42.18 | sohail | justin, colours! |
| 04:42.18 | dendrite | rx: Use irssi. |
| 04:42.18 | sohail | oh wait |
| 04:42.19 | route_ | justin lol, you got a point there. |
| 04:42.26 | route_ | BX has colors. |
| 04:42.36 | justin | irssi has better colors :) |
| 04:42.45 | route_ | BitchX has byte! |
| 04:43.22 | sohail | rx just type that in |
| 04:43.30 | sohail | /ctcp #debian version |
| 04:43.36 | sohail | that'll do a good job for you |
| 04:43.40 | bujin | somebody knows about an irc msn messenger gateway? |
| 04:43.48 | route_ | So I guess nobody at all knows anything about su in here. :-( |
| 04:44.03 | route_ | bujin are you asking or telling? |
| 04:44.11 | bujin | asking |
| 04:44.24 | bujin | route_, Im askin |
| 04:44.30 | justin | bujin: bitlbee |
| 04:44.33 | rx | alrighty...one more question.... so i run sarge, but some progs i need arn't in the stable repository.....whats the best/easiest way to install them, without upgrading? |
| 04:44.48 | rx | example - wifiradara |
| 04:45.20 | dendrite | rx: Ask dpkg about "simple sid backport" |
| 04:45.21 | route_ | rx when you installed sarge, were you able to su to root? |
| 04:45.29 | rx | yea |
| 04:45.33 | dendrite | rx: Or, ask dpkg about backports |
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| 04:45.43 | route_ | Which kernel did you install with, 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 04:45.46 | rx | 2.4 |
| 04:46.01 | route_ | The only thing I did differently this time is install kernel 2.6, and now I can't su to root. |
| 04:46.09 | route_ | Makes no sense. |
| 04:46.52 | rx | and how do i ask dpkg about backports |
| 04:47.09 | bujin | thanks justin |
| 04:48.02 | rx | dp |
| 04:48.09 | rx | dpkg backports |
| 04:48.09 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 04:49.36 | rx | dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:49.36 | dpkg | i guess simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
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| 04:50.34 | pppoe_dude | hi. is there a nice meta package that would install everything i need to run a fluxbox environment? |
| 04:50.47 | pppoe_dude | from netinst |
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| 04:51.32 | black_13 | jelly-home, got it working thanks for your help |
| 04:52.18 | black_13 | actually thanks to everyone ! group hug! |
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| 04:54.26 | palomer | hello |
| 04:54.32 | palomer | I keep losing my sound when I browse youtube |
| 04:54.41 | palomer | the only way to get it back is to restart x |
| 04:54.49 | palomer | I lose the sound in firefox only |
| 04:54.51 | palomer | how do I fix this? |
| 04:54.58 | route_ | Stop browsing youtube. |
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| 04:55.11 | route_ | youtube does the same thing with Firefox for Windbloze. |
| 04:55.18 | pppoe_dude | route_, :) |
| 04:55.27 | pppoe_dude | palomer, u need flash9 |
| 04:55.33 | pppoe_dude | or stop browsing youtube |
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| 04:55.41 | rx | pppoe-dude |
| 04:55.58 | rx | x-window-system flubox |
| 04:56.00 | rx | those 2 |
| 04:56.09 | pppoe_dude | rx, thanks! |
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| 04:56.35 | palomer | flash9 will fix everything? |
| 04:56.37 | palomer | is it out yet? |
| 04:56.43 | rx | i use a 600mhz laptop w/fluxbox |
| 04:56.47 | pppoe_dude | palomer, it won't fix everything |
| 04:57.02 | pppoe_dude | rx, i just got a 500mhz, 128mb, 20gb iMac |
| 04:57.36 | pppoe_dude | pretty cool but ubuntu won't install |
| 04:57.36 | pppoe_dude | or too much of a hassle. |
| 04:57.37 | pppoe_dude | so... Debian to the rescue!! |
| 04:57.54 | rx | i wish ubuntu had a floppy install procedure like debian |
| 04:58.17 | pppoe_dude | i just want to setup a lamp on my imac |
| 04:58.31 | pppoe_dude | and have fluxbox just in case i wanna occasionally use it |
| 04:58.41 | raf256 | heh |
| 04:58.58 | route_ | down with smak-n-squash! |
| 04:59.07 | pppoe_dude | palomer, it is out |
| 04:59.16 | pppoe_dude | at least beta |
| 05:00.58 | hark | It's out of beta |
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| 05:04.36 | route_ | dammit this is really pissing me off! |
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| 05:07.13 | route_ | ok, so I can use "sudo su" to change to root now. fine, whatever, NOT what I want to do, but it was working. Now disabling root ssh logins won't work... Why is Debian totally fucked when installing with 2.6 kernel? |
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| 05:07.40 | twobitsprite | route_: what is the problem? |
| 05:08.55 | route_ | twobitsprite I'll repeat again... |
| 05:09.06 | route_ | I just did a new install of Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6, and for some odd reason I can't su to root. I keep getting the su: Authentication failure error. I can login as root, and su to any user, but not to root. I've never had that happen to me on a Debian install before, and I've done a few dozen setups. Can anyone tell me why it might be doing that? |
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| 05:09.36 | twobitsprite | route_: bad password? have you tried sudo passwd? |
| 05:09.51 | route_ | I installed sudo, and added my user to the config, and _WAS_ able to use sudo su, until I turned off root logins in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:10.33 | route_ | twobitsprite I am 100% certain I am typing the correct password... I can login as root, with the root password, su to a regular user, then try to su back to root and I get Authentication failure. |
| 05:11.16 | route_ | now I can still ssh in as root (which I'm TRYING to disable), but I can't even sudo su back to root from a user. |
| 05:11.40 | twobitsprite | you've disabled ssh root login, but you can still ssh as root? |
| 05:11.49 | route_ | Right, makes no sense. |
| 05:11.53 | rx | so how would i install a etch package in a sarge box? |
| 05:12.19 | twobitsprite | are you sure you're sshing to the right box? :P |
| 05:12.32 | twobitsprite | rx: It's ill advised, FWIH |
| 05:12.46 | route_ | twobitsprite again, 100% certain. |
| 05:13.08 | twobitsprite | route_: I've never seen that before... |
| 05:13.53 | twobitsprite | rx: why/what are you trying to install into sarge from etch? |
| 05:14.10 | twobitsprite | route_: check logs and everything? |
| 05:14.24 | rx | wifi-radar tilda |
| 05:14.41 | rx | not in the sarge package list |
| 05:15.03 | route_ | I just did a fresh Debian install earlier today on the box because the old hard drive was failing... Copied over the user's home directories, and a few other things from the old drive, and removed it from the box. |
| 05:15.03 | route_ | twobitsprite I've never seen Debian act like this before either... But I've never installed with a 2.6 kernel either... Well, maybe once, but I don't remember having this problem. |
| 05:15.04 | sohail | hey I have an idea! |
| 05:15.04 | sohail | can I use the net installer to install from an existing os? |
| 05:15.06 | route_ | Not that the kernel version should be causing any problems. |
| 05:15.26 | sohail | which kernel does etch have? |
| 05:15.26 | sohail | 2.6? |
| 05:15.31 | lkthomas | what the fuck |
| 05:15.32 | lkthomas | SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: FAILED! |
| 05:15.32 | lkthomas | Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours. SAVE ALL DATA. |
| 05:15.42 | route_ | twobitsprite What should I be checking the logs for? Please, any help is greatly appreciated... This server is really pissing me off now. |
| 05:15.46 | twobitsprite | rx: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
| 05:15.56 | rx | sohail...2.6 |
| 05:16.28 | sohail | rx do you know if 2.6 should support a ATAPI CDROM that would work in 2.4 using the ide-cdrom driver? |
| 05:16.32 | twobitsprite | route_: not sure... some kind of clue? |
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| 05:16.49 | twobitsprite | route_: I really don't know, but its what I do when I don't know what else to do :P |
| 05:16.57 | twobitsprite | you might see something interesting |
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| 05:17.42 | twobitsprite | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.46 | binbash | is sun's gpl'ed java included in debian? |
| 05:18.11 | twobitsprite | binbash: do you see it in apt-cache? |
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| 05:18.14 | pstickne | sohail, yes. it will be supported. |
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| 05:19.50 | binbash | i see sun-java5-*, sun-java6-* |
| 05:20.15 | binbash | but it doesn't specify the license in the description |
| 05:20.16 | pstickne | binbash, not yet afaik; but don't trust me :). I believe those are still non-free. |
| 05:20.39 | Supaplex | well who pays for them anyway? ;) |
| 05:20.43 | twobitsprite | binbash: are you running etch? |
| 05:20.47 | binbash | ipstickne: i think so too (that they're the non-free version) |
| 05:20.49 | pstickne | non-free as in speech, not beer |
| 05:20.52 | binbash | i'm running unstable |
| 05:20.59 | gba | Can someone help me, please, with setting the time in my box? I am using Etch now and if I type 'date' at the console I get 05:19 but the clock of KDE tells me that it is 06:19. The right would be 06:19. How can I change it on the console, please? |
| 05:21.15 | pstickne | gba, it sounds like a TZ if off... |
| 05:21.21 | route_ | ok, I figured out why sudo su stopped working, and I fixed that. |
| 05:21.30 | pstickne | gba, make sure KDE isn't using something funky... |
| 05:21.34 | twobitsprite | gba: sounds like kde might be doing some timezone adjustments? |
| 05:21.44 | pstickne | route_, why was that? |
| 05:21.46 | twobitsprite | route_: what was it? |
| 05:22.01 | gba | Yes, the clock at the console is set to UTC but I live in the timezone of Berlin. |
| 05:22.27 | Supaplex | gba: tzselect |
| 05:22.44 | gba | Supaplex, Okay, I will try that |
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| 05:24.39 | twobitsprite | heh... holycow... |
| 05:24.42 | gba | Thank you all, tzselect helped me. |
| 05:24.54 | route_ | pstickne I tried editing /etc/pam.d/su to only allow members of a specific group to run su, but that doesn't seem to work for shit. |
| 05:24.57 | pstickne | cursedducksonafence! |
| 05:25.11 | pstickne | route_, not just sudoers? |
| 05:25.28 | route_ | I don't want to use sudo |
| 05:25.33 | twobitsprite | route_: ahh... I was going to ask you if your config limited su usage... but I thought I had asked you enough stupid questions :P |
| 05:25.41 | route_ | I just want to be able to su to root. Since when was that too much to ask? |
| 05:26.07 | twobitsprite | route_: never was... although some feel is it safer in general to use sudo... I personally find it to be more convenient |
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| 05:26.26 | twobitsprite | route_: noone is stopping you from useing su |
| 05:26.28 | route_ | I've never used sudo before, and have no desire to. |
| 05:26.43 | route_ | twobitsprite yes, the default Debian installation is stopping me from using su |
| 05:26.43 | Supaplex | it's syntax can be hairy :p |
| 05:26.57 | Supaplex | route_: uhm... how so? |
| 05:27.05 | route_ | I just did a new install of Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6, and for some odd reason I can't su to root. I keep getting the su: Authentication failure error. I can login as root, and su to any user, but not to root. I've never had that happen to me on a Debian install before, and I've done a few dozen setups. Can anyone tell me why it might be doing that? |
| 05:27.08 | twobitsprite | route_: works for me... I don't remember having to change anything to make it work |
| 05:27.11 | route_ | Supaplex ^^^ |
| 05:27.31 | Supaplex | yea, I see. anything in syslog? |
| 05:27.32 | route_ | twobitsprite Right, I've never had to change anything in the past either, but for some reason it's not working on this fresh install. |
| 05:28.09 | Supaplex | fwiw, it's always worked for me. as designed, as expected. |
| 05:28.31 | dendrite | Hmmm. I have a package source (policycoreutils, part of selinux) that has a debian/control file, but not a DEBIAN/control file. What's up with that? |
| 05:29.09 | twobitsprite | dendrite: did you get the package from somewhere weird? |
| 05:29.19 | route_ | I've always found Debian's installer to be very random. Every single installation I've EVER done has been completely different... Even installing on the exact same hardware 3 times in a row will have varied results. |
| 05:29.21 | dendrite | twobitsprite: No. apt-get source policycoreutils |
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| 05:29.37 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Etch. |
| 05:29.39 | twobitsprite | route_: never seen that... it's always flawless for me |
| 05:29.41 | stoned | route_: dependson your choices |
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| 05:29.59 | stoned | route_: don't run the expert install |
| 05:30.18 | route_ | stoned I've had it give me totally different choices on every install. |
| 05:30.29 | twobitsprite | route_: I highly doubt the debian installer is readding from /dev/random... |
| 05:30.41 | route_ | twobitsprite lol, sometimes it seems it is. |
| 05:30.43 | twobitsprite | computers don't do things randomly |
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| 05:31.45 | pstickne | twobitsprite, yes they do! |
| 05:31.52 | twobitsprite | pstickne: suchas? |
| 05:32.00 | zinx | twobitsprite: broken computers do things randomly |
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| 05:32.26 | pstickne | like uh, ^^ HOLY COW TWO BIT, YOU SUCK! |
| 05:32.26 | zinx | twobitsprite: damaged transistors tend to act rather funny |
| 05:32.26 | pstickne | wow, that was random! :) |
| 05:32.30 | pppoe_dude | hi... k, quick question... i am installing debian on an iMac (old one)... how would i go about adjusting the screen position and size? |
| 05:32.35 | pstickne | zinx, or not at all :( |
| 05:32.36 | pppoe_dude | it is cuttin off on the sides |
| 05:32.38 | mosty | is there a way to pipe data to a console process that is trying to read from a tty? |
| 05:32.47 | twobitsprite | zinx: well... I assumed that when I said "computer" people would realize I meant "functioning computer" |
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| 05:33.08 | zinx | twobitsprite: then don't talk to a tech support channel ;) |
| 05:33.11 | mosty | pppoe_dude: try XF86Setup if it still exists |
| 05:33.18 | twobitsprite | zinx: heh... good point |
| 05:33.45 | pppoe_dude | mosty, will try |
| 05:35.24 | stoned | im using fglrx and mplayer doesn't work with -vo xv but only with x11. x11 won't let me fullscreen it, anyone know how to enable software zooming. I can't find the flag for it |
| 05:35.35 | stoned | or if anyoen can tell me how to get xv output working |
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| 05:37.00 | Cuddles_in_KY | evening folks. can someone point me to a tutorial on setting up apcusbd, or something similar? |
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| 05:43.16 | stoned | !ping |
| 05:43.17 | dpkg | pong |
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| 05:44.00 | Supaplex | !lart stoned for funs sake |
| 05:44.25 | stoned | hehe |
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| 05:45.39 | dendrite | Hmm. I wonder what virtual machine technology I should play with... |
| 05:46.21 | Supaplex | xen |
| 05:46.29 | dendrite | Supaplex: Not qemu? |
| 05:46.43 | Supaplex | well, if you want. |
| 05:46.47 | Supaplex | sure, why not |
| 05:46.47 | dendrite | Supaplex: I'm interested in your opinion. |
| 05:47.06 | dendrite | Supaplex: Both! :-) |
| 05:47.09 | Supaplex | someday I'll discover xen. until then, the hype will get me through. |
| 05:47.13 | Supaplex | yea |
| 05:47.29 | dendrite | Supaplex: You use any VM? |
| 05:47.41 | Supaplex | just qemu. |
| 05:47.59 | dendrite | Supaplex: What do you use qemu for? |
| 05:48.36 | Supaplex | testing stuff like amilda.org, but for x86 |
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| 05:49.14 | dendrite | Supaplex: Toy machine is a dual Athlon |
| 05:49.14 | Supaplex | and -snapshot on the win32 partition to toture test stuff in windows. :) see how I can break+fix things. |
| 05:49.19 | sohail | i don't see whats the big thing about xen |
| 05:49.31 | sohail | isn't its big thing that it lets you virtualize linux? |
| 05:49.33 | sohail | whooo |
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| 05:50.25 | dendrite | sohail: It'll do Linux, *BSD, Windows XP, 2,3. |
| 05:50.31 | sohail | oh |
| 05:50.35 | sohail | then thats a big thing |
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| 05:51.04 | dendrite | sohail: Yeah, I can finally try BSD without completely destroying a machine... |
| 05:51.05 | twobitsprite | isn't xen what ibm ships with thier servers? |
| 05:51.46 | sohail | does xen do dynamic instruction translation? |
| 05:52.02 | twobitsprite | can xen run ontop of an existing os, or does it have to be master? |
| 05:52.05 | lenin | hi anyone of theirs using compaq presario? |
| 05:52.06 | dendrite | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen_%28virtual_machine_monitor%29 |
| 05:52.22 | sohail | I don't like links |
| 05:52.24 | sohail | too abstract |
| 05:52.31 | Dacicus | ... |
| 05:52.44 | dendrite | Hmm. Maybe not windows. Not sure about this wikipedia page... |
| 05:52.48 | sohail | alright who wants to take bets that the ubuntu live cd will work |
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| 05:53.06 | sohail | i've got a tiled splash screen! |
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| 05:53.50 | dendrite | Ah, 3.0+ can virtualize for windows. |
| 05:53.59 | sohail | \ |
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| 05:54.13 | sohail | I think I broke it |
| 05:54.34 | Supaplex | sohail: what's wrong with the debian live one? |
| 05:54.45 | sohail | Supaplex, oh nothing. I just had one cd left |
| 05:55.10 | Supaplex | no cdrw eh? :) |
| 05:55.27 | sohail | well the hardware is but not the media |
| 05:55.29 | Supaplex | I still have arm fulls of blank cdr |
| 05:55.44 | sohail | I'm still getting rid of my cd-rs from 3 years ago |
| 05:55.49 | sohail | at one point I bought like 1000 |
| 05:55.55 | sohail | this was my last one |
| 05:56.02 | Supaplex | wow. |
| 05:56.03 | dendrite | Well, xen shows ~ 56 packages relating to it, while qemu shows.... 4! |
| 05:56.05 | sohail | yep |
| 05:56.06 | sohail | milestone |
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| 05:57.08 | sohail | awesome |
| 05:57.12 | sohail | its hanging |
| 05:57.47 | dendrite | !prize sohail |
| 05:57.47 | sohail | so anyone knows how ot install from the live cd via mounting? |
| 05:57.48 | sohail | I have ipcop on there already for some reason |
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| 06:04.32 | olsen | hi |
| 06:04.46 | Supaplex | welcome to #debian olsen |
| 06:04.51 | olsen | is debian etch up to date? |
| 06:04.56 | olsen | Supaplex: thanks |
| 06:04.59 | olsen | :) |
| 06:05.21 | Supaplex | it's frozen. bug fixes only. |
| 06:05.28 | litage | when i run ``apt-cache show apache-common'', it says "Filename: pool/main/a/apache/apache-common_1.3.33-6sarge3_i386.deb". however, the correct path to download the file is pool/updates/... . why is the path that apt-cache shows not correct? |
| 06:05.30 | olsen | i been thinking in trying etch, i been using ubuntu but i think i prefer debian |
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| 06:06.29 | olsen | Supaplex: ok |
| 06:07.00 | Supaplex | olsen: check the about/why on debian.org for more info. |
| 06:07.28 | olsen | i also installed slackware 11 recently, and though about compiling kde, php5, mysql5, postgresql, sqlib, ruby, gems, rails, mplayer, latest vim/gvim, etc but i think is too much work |
| 06:07.34 | haggz | olsen: I think you will find debian etch to be superior to Ubuntu in almost every way. You might need to configure a bit more after install, but I think you will find Debian to be far more reliable and functional. |
| 06:07.42 | olsen | i'm kinda undeciced |
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| 06:08.09 | awdamn | I'm installing on a MacBook. I have rEFIt installed. If I simply gptsync /dev/sda && sudo sfdisk -c /dev/sda 4 84 (root file system is on /dev/sda4 here) then I simply do grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda ??? |
| 06:08.25 | olsen | haggz: i see |
| 06:08.34 | olsen | haggz: yeah thats what i though too |
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| 06:08.44 | Supaplex | all the debian /like/ distros are wannabes to most extents. yea, they have a frill or two, but they don't last. |
| 06:08.55 | litage | awdamn: just follow these instructions: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 06:09.25 | olsen | can i have all those packages in debian? |
| 06:09.30 | olsen | all the ones that i mentioned |
| 06:10.04 | Supaplex | olsen: yea. some are in a different repo, but most are on packages.debian.org ; or /msg dpkg search |
| 06:10.11 | olsen | i also been using gentoo, but i don't like it much |
| 06:10.11 | spiritraveller | I actually found Debian's printer configuration (foomatic) to work better than Ubuntu's gnome-print-gui (or whatever it's called). |
| 06:10.26 | olsen | i don't want to stress cpu/hdd while compiling all my entire system |
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| 06:11.02 | olsen | i think debian will be a fine system for me |
| 06:11.05 | haggz | olsen: yes, Debian has good packages for the applications you mentioned, although I don't personally use ruby so I'm taking that on faith. |
| 06:11.15 | Supaplex | !gentoosmite pc |
| 06:11.22 | spiritraveller | Gentoo is fun for a while, but then compiling gets old... and the stability isn't so good. |
| 06:11.22 | olsen | haggz: ok |
| 06:11.31 | olsen | what release of debian should i try? |
| 06:11.37 | haggz | olsen: etch |
| 06:11.42 | predder | I'd suggest etch too |
| 06:11.53 | olsen | ok, i'm gonna download it now |
| 06:11.55 | olsen | thanks guys! |
| 06:12.07 | Dacicus | How can you determine which packages a certain package requires to be able to work? |
| 06:12.17 | olsen | btw, i been using lfs, slackware, gentoo, etc |
| 06:12.24 | olsen | lfs for around ~1.5 year |
| 06:12.32 | olsen | the last debian i tried was woody |
| 06:12.38 | dendrite | olsen: Just grab the netinstall, it is a minimal cd, that then installs the rest over the net, so you only dl what you really need. |
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| 06:12.42 | predder | Dacicus, apt-cache show packagename |
| 06:12.51 | olsen | dendrite: ok |
| 06:12.54 | olsen | dendrite: sounds nice |
| 06:12.56 | predder | that will list dependancies |
| 06:13.02 | predder | dependencies* |
| 06:13.03 | olsen | i really like APT |
| 06:13.03 | stoned | or list-depends |
| 06:13.09 | olsen | more than any other package management |
| 06:13.10 | stoned | it a better way actually |
| 06:13.26 | tuv | Dacicus, or apt-cache depends <packagename> |
| 06:13.31 | haggz | olsen: you'll have no problems, learn a little bit about dpkg/apt/aptitude/synaptic and be amazed at how simple configuration and installation is for anything in the main repos. |
| 06:13.45 | olsen | haggz: :) |
| 06:13.51 | stoned | apt-cache depends pkgname |
| 06:13.53 | stoned | etc. etc. |
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| 06:14.01 | spiritraveller | olsen: There is a KDE install cd for testing (etch). You should get that one, and you can use APT to install anything else you want. |
| 06:14.18 | olsen | spiritraveller: alright :D |
| 06:14.32 | stoned | !package basics |
| 06:14.33 | dpkg | i guess package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 06:14.37 | stoned | !grounding |
| 06:14.37 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 06:14.43 | stoned | read to your heart's content |
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| 06:14.51 | stoned | us.debian.org/doc as well |
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| 06:15.06 | carebear666 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:15.20 | twobitsprite | so... isn't make-live supposed to output an iso image? |
| 06:15.30 | Supaplex | carebear666: email addresses are spoofable. |
| 06:15.51 | olsen | what it bothers me on ubuntu is the default orange artwork |
| 06:15.59 | dendrite | carebear666: It's trivial, and common, for spammers to send email with fake From: addresses. |
| 06:16.01 | olsen | and some per installed things that i don't want |
| 06:16.11 | olsen | pre* |
| 06:16.27 | Dacicus | hm, this is troublesome |
| 06:16.39 | dendrite | carebear666: So, the short answer is, no. |
| 06:17.26 | dendrite | OK, when playing with qemu, is it common to just build images with debootstrap, or is there some more trivial way to get going? |
| 06:17.35 | olsen | what kernel version does etch uses? |
| 06:17.50 | olsen | can i use 2.6.20 with it? |
| 06:17.52 | awdamn | litage Are they more sane than the Ubuntu instructions? |
| 06:17.57 | pstickne | olsen, why not? |
| 06:17.59 | Dacicus | Is there a good (preferably free) reference for learning Linux? I installed Debian in VMWare Server yesterday, and I need to learn how to install more programs and other such things. |
| 06:18.07 | spiritraveller | olsen: default is 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 06:18.08 | pstickne | olsen, I'm at 2.6.18-3 now. |
| 06:18.09 | Supaplex | !tell olsen -about kp |
| 06:18.16 | olsen | ok |
| 06:18.24 | olsen | 2.6.18 is good enough for me |
| 06:18.31 | olsen | i think |
| 06:18.35 | haggz | olsen: 2.6.18-3 is kernel version, you can use the .20 kernel if you want to install it yourself |
| 06:18.35 | litage | awdamn: no idea. read them |
| 06:18.42 | dendrite | olsen: Patching up from 18 to 20 is very easy. |
| 06:18.43 | pstickne | Daveman, apt-get, dselect, dpkg, aptitude, etc, read up ;) |
| 06:18.45 | Supaplex | olsen: I hear .20 is borderline buggy. I'd stick with what you have until you know it's clear. |
| 06:18.52 | olsen | ok |
| 06:18.59 | pstickne | bigger question: what does it add? |
| 06:19.02 | olsen | but will etch be always "up to date"? |
| 06:19.03 | dendrite | Supaplex: you use qemu -- do you build your own linux vm images? |
| 06:19.12 | olsen | always be* |
| 06:19.20 | dendrite | olsen: No, once etch releases, it'll be stable. |
| 06:19.21 | haggz | olsen: no, that is not the debian system, it will be up to date for bug fixes and security |
| 06:19.34 | dendrite | olsen: If you want continuously renewed stuff, stay with "testing" |
| 06:19.44 | olsen | ok, i see |
| 06:19.58 | haggz | so there will be patches, but it will be frozen in terms of the features/versions. you can create a debian sid partition to track the additions to the "unstable" branch |
| 06:20.00 | carebear666 | HELP I WANT TO SUBMIT MY FRIEND'S EMAIL TO SPAM LIST |
| 06:20.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 688] by debhelper |
| 06:20.02 | carebear666 | HOW CAN I DO THAT |
| 06:20.04 | spiritraveller | it will be **stable**... but you can always install from the testing or unstable distros |
| 06:20.08 | dendrite | carebear666: You can't. |
| 06:20.10 | pstickne | testing is awesome until there is a half-propagated dependency chain the breaks half the programs you use the most frequently :( |
| 06:20.25 | pstickne | carebear666, nice "friend" you are |
| 06:20.48 | stoned | hahahahahaha |
| 06:20.51 | dendrite | carebear666: Spam is not filtered on sender address any more. Welcome to the 21st century. |
| 06:21.02 | dendrite | If spam ever was filtered that way... |
| 06:21.03 | stoned | care bear six 6 VI |
| 06:21.05 | stoned | lol |
| 06:21.09 | scv | ??? |
| 06:21.10 | stoned | thats hilarious |
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| 06:21.23 | spiritraveller | satanic carebear |
| 06:21.26 | stoned | evil carebear haha I get it its awesome |
| 06:21.29 | pstickne | but if you really wanted to get someone on spam lists... |
| 06:21.37 | dendrite | stoned: Sort of a cute, cuddly beast of the devil, eh? |
| 06:21.43 | pstickne | stoned? |
| 06:21.46 | stoned | hehe yup dendrite sir |
| 06:22.14 | Supaplex | carebear666: while you're at it, ask your computer makeer for a refund. you don't need one. |
| 06:22.55 | LinuxNIT | hey guys gnome-power-manager wont suspend my laptop.... any idea why or what to check? |
| 06:23.02 | numist | I'm thinking of installing etch on an opteron system. how much am I going to hate my life in terms of packages? is x86_64 reasonably supported these days? |
| 06:23.28 | haggz | linuxnit: look at the acpi report from dmesg |
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| 06:24.13 | Guilt | will etch get the .20 kernel sometime? |
| 06:24.14 | Guilt | :D |
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| 06:24.26 | blimpdude | is xvidtune available in debian repos? |
| 06:24.43 | carebear666 | I WANT TO SEND SPAM TO MY FRIEND |
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| 06:24.52 | carebear666 | AND I WANT TO SUBMIT HIS ADDRESS TO FREE SEX PICTURES MAILING LIST |
| 06:25.02 | Gnea | carebear666: then go suck a dick |
| 06:25.19 | muhoo | heh |
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| 06:25.33 | dendrite | carebear666: Please go away, you're not really contributing here. |
| 06:25.39 | LinuxNIT | haggz, i dont see any thing new appear in dmesg when i tell it to suspend |
| 06:25.44 | Thms | !xmms2 |
| 06:25.45 | dpkg | [xmms2] currently in development state. check http://wiki.xmms2.xmms.se/index.php/Download_XMMS2#Debian |
| 06:26.05 | carebear666 | if you ever try to kick me or ban me i will get my uncle(irc opp) after you and by the way i have a nuke and a mail bomb on the way asshole |
| 06:26.08 | Guilt | think of a bot that could go onto a random channel in freenode, like #debian |
| 06:26.19 | muhoo | oh god, it's kiddiez |
| 06:26.24 | Guilt | then it'd whois everyone or do /ns info on everyone |
| 06:26.26 | muhoo | "my dad will beat up your dad" |
| 06:26.30 | Gnea | carebear666: you're about as hallow as a carved out orange |
| 06:26.33 | carebear666 | if you ever try to kick me or ban me i will get my uncle(irc opp) after you and by the way i have a nuke and a mail bomb on the way asshole |
| 06:26.37 | haggz | linuxnit: no, what im saying is that dmesg contains information about what power management the kernel has detected |
| 06:26.47 | Guilt | then retrieve all possible email ids and sign them up on a nice good ol' fashioned pr0n spam site |
| 06:26.52 | Gnea | carebear666: please, stop now, nobody believes you. |
| 06:26.58 | Supaplex | !ops carebear666 threatens us with nonsense |
| 06:26.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: supaplex complains about: carebear666 threatens us with nonsense |
| 06:27.02 | LinuxNIT | haggz, i can suspend with echo mem >/sys/power/state |
| 06:27.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:27.17 | carebear666 | ONLY MUSLIMS HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE |
| 06:27.17 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@host-212-149-255-251.kpylaajakaista.net] by peterS |
| 06:27.17 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:27.29 | peterS | no need to kick or ban, +q works fine |
| 06:27.33 | LinuxNIT | haggz, anywah what exactly am i looking for in dmesg? |
| 06:27.35 | Gnea | indeed |
| 06:27.35 | Supaplex | hehe yup. |
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| 06:27.38 | Gnea | !beer peterS |
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| 06:28.01 | Gnea | another brainwashed douchebag |
| 06:28.02 | blimpdude | hmmm |
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| 06:28.10 | blimpdude | maybe i am using the wrong version of X |
| 06:28.14 | muhoo | or douchewashed brainbag |
| 06:28.14 | haggz | linuxnit: if you can suspend properly but just not with gnome manager then dmesg isn't relevant, sorry, ddn't realize you had any acpi controls working |
| 06:28.27 | blimpdude | anyone here familiar with xvidtune? |
| 06:28.29 | Gnea | bag o' washed douches |
| 06:28.34 | LinuxNIT | haggz, no worries... any other ideas? |
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| 06:29.10 | blimpdude | it seems like it's supposed to be a part of another package, |
| 06:29.16 | olsen | what xorg version does etch uses? |
| 06:29.52 | blimpdude | supposed to be in xbase-clients |
| 06:30.00 | blimpdude | but that is already installed on my computer |
| 06:30.05 | Supaplex | peterS: I take it +b includes +q (you did +b) |
| 06:30.06 | blimpdude | im using sarge btw |
| 06:30.14 | haggz | linuxnit: ive had some flaky gnome behavior myself that I think has to do with correctly interpereting the xml files it uses for configuration |
| 06:30.29 | blimpdude | oh wait |
| 06:30.30 | peterS | Supaplex: look closely at the +b mask, it starts with % which means it is _really_ a +q |
| 06:30.30 | blimpdude | im stupid |
| 06:31.03 | Supaplex | hummm ok |
| 06:31.03 | peterS | Supaplex: the difference is that +q does not prevent you from joining the channel |
| 06:31.50 | Supaplex | I figured a +q would literally be +q. the % part is new for me. |
| 06:31.57 | haggz | linuxnit: so ive experienced various administrator-level actions not working when called from gnome apps, but i havent succeeded in debugging the issue. standard "try creating a new user and trying from that account" has sometimes worked for me. |
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| 06:32.31 | LinuxNIT | haggz, ok ill give that a shot |
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| 06:34.00 | peterS | Supaplex: the existence of +q is a freenode-specific feature. it used to be visible as +q but they later changed the implementation to show it as a % prefix on the ban mask |
| 06:34.26 | peterS | well, I say freenode-specific, but the irc.oftc.net IRC servers have recently gained the same feature.. |
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| 06:35.29 | Guilt | peterS: are yu sure he wasn't using a dynamic address? |
| 06:35.31 | Guilt | :D |
| 06:35.41 | Guilt | then u'd be depriving another guy of #debian |
| 06:35.46 | Guilt | which is pretty unlikely though |
| 06:35.48 | Guilt | :D |
| 06:35.53 | peterS | Guilt: he probably was. most people do use dynamic addresses. we clean out the ban masks every now and then |
| 06:36.09 | Guilt | oh okay. :) |
| 06:36.11 | peterS | Guilt: fortunately, troll attention spans tend to be shorter than their IP address lease times |
| 06:36.39 | Supaplex | :) |
| 06:36.41 | Guilt | i wouldn't say that. my ISP gets disconnected all the time. |
| 06:37.22 | Supaplex | there are expections, for Guilt... :o) |
| 06:37.22 | Guilt | Or, if he restarted his ADSL, he'd come back for more. |
| 06:37.22 | DimmuR | morning |
| 06:37.22 | spiritraveller | so.... do irc bombs work on computers running debian? (carefully tiptoes away from computer) |
| 06:37.22 | Guilt | the guy you banned now |
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| 06:37.22 | Guilt | Supaplex: ja |
| 06:37.23 | LinuxNIT | haggz, nope new user didnt work :( |
| 06:37.34 | Guilt | spiritraveller: give it a try? |
| 06:37.36 | Guilt | :D |
| 06:37.40 | peterS | Guilt: yeah occasionally someone with way too much time on his hands does that, then we ban him again. usually they're too lazy to bother, they take their puberty issues somewhere else |
| 06:37.49 | Guilt | haha |
| 06:37.51 | Guilt | :D okay |
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| 06:38.15 | haggz | linuxnit: im digging through the gconf editor looking for stuff but this "windows registry style" thing really doesn't do it for me... |
| 06:38.23 | Supaplex | peterS: it takes more then a dist-upgrade to grow out of that sort of thing. :-) |
| 06:38.27 | Supaplex | but we know that... |
| 06:38.39 | peterS | Guilt: a bigger problem than dynamic addresses is open proxies - possibly from hax0red windows boxes - so that some trolls can jump around through quite a few IP addresses quite quickly. then we sigh and take heavier-handed action |
| 06:39.44 | Guilt | peterS, such as? |
| 06:39.51 | Guilt | block ISP traffic? :) |
| 06:40.06 | Supaplex | !penixsmite Guilt |
| 06:40.08 | debfanman | peterS: The the federal government steps in, blames them for a dosen other felony crimes carried out from that IP, and tosses them in jail for a timeout ;) |
| 06:40.12 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:40.26 | peterS | depends on the access pattern, we do whatever is necessary to stop the disruption while inconveniencing as few people as possible |
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| 06:40.47 | debfanman | peterS: evenin' |
| 06:40.48 | Guilt | i hope a botnet owner shows his attention to #debian one day. |
| 06:40.50 | Guilt | :D |
| 06:41.01 | Supaplex | tsk tsk |
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| 06:41.23 | Guilt | around 20% of all computers are under one botnet or the other, according to statistics |
| 06:41.24 | peterS | Guilt: oh they've done it before. not 'cause they care about debian, but because it's a big channel on a popular network. I wonder why you hope this though. are you under the age of 14 yourself? |
| 06:41.34 | Guilt | no, no. |
| 06:41.39 | Guilt | what happened back then? |
| 06:41.44 | Guilt | were you able to prevent them? |
| 06:41.45 | debfanman | 10 years from now we'll find out there was only 10 of us in the channel with a bunch of bots at our disposal :) |
| 06:41.46 | spiritraveller | I would think a botnet owner would have better uses for it than trolling irc... not that I would know or anything. |
| 06:42.10 | peterS | Guilt: happens all the time, really. I am not particularly pleased that you want to see what happens when the ops suddenly have a lot more annoying work to do, though |
| 06:42.25 | Guilt | spiritraveller: better uses such as? sending email about cheap penis enlargement? |
| 06:42.32 | spiritraveller | zactly |
| 06:42.33 | Guilt | actually. i wonder who buys them |
| 06:42.40 | Supaplex | fools |
| 06:42.54 | Supaplex | well, those that clearly don't understand how spam works |
| 06:43.00 | peterS | Guilt: in summer 2004 all of freenode came under botnet attack while the college freshmen were sitting home bored between school years. freenode staff actually wrote a counter-bot to detect and kill the one they were using |
| 06:43.01 | craigevil | the same ones that buy from the late night infomercials |
| 06:43.14 | Guilt | if i actually signed up for all those enlargement emails, i wonder how big mine would be |
| 06:43.15 | Guilt | :D |
| 06:43.27 | Guilt | peterS: wow |
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| 06:43.32 | Guilt | so it's just war? :) |
| 06:43.41 | peterS | you think it's a game, don't you? |
| 06:43.53 | peterS | I don't think it's a game at all. I think it's an annoyance that I would much rather not have to deal with |
| 06:43.59 | Guilt | no. i mean. i've heard it's pretty serious |
| 06:44.01 | Guilt | like, umh |
| 06:44.08 | Guilt | some guys could take a whole thing down. |
| 06:44.13 | Guilt | you remember blue frog? |
| 06:44.26 | pstickne | Guilt, bots aren't "war" |
| 06:44.34 | Guilt | they had to show the white flag because ONE guy brought their whole network down. |
| 06:45.01 | peterS | no. also, this is off-topic. IRC bot wars don't give me adrenaline, they just make me shake my head and sigh. you can discuss irc warfare elsewhere, we actually have a purpose here beyond demonstrating the level of our testosterone and scripting abilities |
| 06:45.08 | debfanman | peterS: dont you wish you could just mask traffic based on a specific person? :/ |
| 06:45.10 | Guilt | that could happen on any of these networks. :/ if he had like zillions of machine spamming every channel with cheap enlargement pill ads |
| 06:45.18 | pstickne | War is where people die. Bots are just stupid. Trying to take down a network is like lighting a fart on fire. |
| 06:45.22 | Guilt | ah okay |
| 06:45.32 | Guilt | pstickne: i wouldn't say that if i were you |
| 06:45.34 | Guilt | :/ |
| 06:45.41 | Guilt | it could be serious. |
| 06:45.44 | pstickne | Oh, no! |
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| 06:45.51 | Guilt | no. IRC is fine |
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| 06:45.57 | Guilt | but any other network, no. |
| 06:46.05 | pstickne | Not my AIM! |
| 06:46.13 | pstickne | geeze. kids. |
| 06:46.15 | Guilt | especially banks. or when something happens when you pay with your credit card |
| 06:46.15 | peterS | it's true though. attacking an irc network demonstrates that your maturity level is on par with people who light farts on fire. it proves nothing, it accomplishes nothing, it annoys people you don't know and have no reason to hate. |
| 06:46.20 | Guilt | geeze. pstickne |
| 06:47.05 | Guilt | hmm. |
| 06:47.14 | Guilt | i've heard that the IRC protocol is easy. |
| 06:47.36 | peterS | it's easy in the sense that it's text-based and it looks a lot like what an IRC client actually presents to the user |
| 06:47.36 | Guilt | so the next time a guy finds a SMB vulnerability or somethin |
| 06:47.37 | pstickne | Guilt, it is. You can IRC in telnet. Read the RFCs. |
| 06:47.53 | pstickne | Guilt, oh no, not ANOTHER windows exploit! |
| 06:47.55 | Guilt | and decides to put enough code to write an IRC spam bot |
| 06:47.57 | Guilt | lol |
| 06:47.58 | Guilt | :D |
| 06:48.03 | peterS | Guilt: you _are_ 14, aren't you? |
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| 06:48.06 | Guilt | that'd be the day |
| 06:48.12 | pstickne | peterS, shooting high today? |
| 06:48.14 | Supaplex | see, he's 11 |
| 06:48.15 | Guilt | peterS: not at all. |
| 06:48.37 | haggz | if the statistic that 25% of computers connected to the internet are part of botnets, the whole internet could be held up for ransom by a network wide ddos attack on the most impotant DNS servers |
| 06:48.40 | Guilt | i'm saying it could happen. you never know. |
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| 06:48.58 | Guilt | but i doubt it'd be #debian, of all channels in all irc networks around the world |
| 06:49.22 | dendrite | Guilt: Consider that it takes a lot more creativity and talent to create and cooperate than it does to destroy. |
| 06:49.42 | Supaplex | 74% of statistics are inflated and useless |
| 06:49.47 | litage | if a box is running Sarge and only has "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main" in sources.list, will running ``apt-get update'' modify anything? |
| 06:49.52 | Guilt | dendrite: true. but there ought to be a way against these attacks. |
| 06:49.56 | pstickne | haggz, I'd like to see it happen. Network administrators like things working. It wouldn't last for long; even if it meant cutting off huge swabs until they were fixed. |
| 06:49.57 | Guilt | maybe at the router level. |
| 06:50.07 | sep | statistics can say exactly what you want them to say. it's a huge waste of time :) |
| 06:50.12 | Supaplex | litage: it could. |
| 06:50.15 | Guilt | like, control how many connections an IP address can have. which is itself flawed |
| 06:50.17 | Guilt | :P |
| 06:50.19 | debfanman | haggz: offtopic, but if there were to be an all of a sudden world DoS war between botnet owners, what companies/countries/domains would get nailed? |
| 06:50.22 | litage | Supaplex: what could be updated in Sarge? |
| 06:50.28 | Guilt | i mean. botnets. |
| 06:50.29 | peterS | Guilt: ok now take it elsewhere, this IRC channel is not about IRC, it's about Debian |
| 06:50.35 | Guilt | yea . |
| 06:50.36 | Guilt | okay |
| 06:50.51 | peterS | IRC channels about IRC are probably almost as boring as blogs about blogging |
| 06:50.51 | Supaplex | litage: it'll show you before you finally commit (unless you went out of your way to configure some preference to override it) |
| 06:51.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm not saying you can't |
| 06:51.04 | haggz | I think only the Debian servers would survive a worldwide botnet war.O:-) |
| 06:51.14 | peterS | haggz: elsewhere. thanks. |
| 06:51.15 | debfanman | lol |
| 06:51.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oops |
| 06:51.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wrong channel |
| 06:51.29 | Guilt | debfanman: perhaps akamai |
| 06:51.30 | Guilt | :D |
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| 06:51.37 | Guilt | i'd like to see them take akamai down |
| 06:51.39 | Guilt | :D |
| 06:51.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 06:51.45 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@allegro/user/Guilt] by peterS |
| 06:51.45 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
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| 06:51.57 | peterS | I said take it elsewhere |
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| 06:52.29 | Supaplex | he must like the taste of foot. |
| 06:52.35 | spiritraveller | haha |
| 06:52.47 | debfanman | peterS: ah, that was my fault prolly ehhe. i started the topic :( sry |
| 06:53.17 | peterS | I dunno. talking about botnets and channel attacks just makes me tired. that sort of 'warfare' might be fun for some people, but I turned 15 a long long time ago, so. |
| 06:53.20 | debfanman | peterS: i was looking for more humourous feedback for what its worth though :) |
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| 06:54.42 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@allegro/user/Guilt] by peterS |
| 06:54.43 | debfanman | peterS: you know what makes me tired though? |
| 06:54.46 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 06:55.01 | debfanman | peterS: 1:55 A.M. ;p |
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| 06:55.11 | peterS | that sometimes does it too |
| 06:55.28 | Supaplex | killall5 -SIGSLEEP -u debfanman |
| 06:55.36 | peterS | Supaplex: coke with a dash of rum for me, please, while you're up |
| 06:55.43 | spiritraveller | am I the only one that sees iceweasel/firefox crashing a lot? My gut tells me that Flash is causing it (all proprietary software is suspect), |
| 06:56.02 | Supaplex | all I have is diet coke. want some mentos with it? |
| 06:56.05 | peterS | spiritraveller: a lot of folks have complained about firefox/iceweasel 2.0 being unstable. I don't use it mysefl. |
| 06:56.09 | peterS | Supaplex: yes! |
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| 06:56.24 | Supaplex | well, and koolaid+sugar+water (lots of that;hey, it's cheap) |
| 06:56.38 | spiritraveller | peterS: what do you use for web browsing? |
| 06:56.47 | Supaplex | I use minefield :) |
| 06:56.56 | peterS | I go through enough kool-aid that I actually pre-mix several packets plus sugar and keep it in a plastic canister so I can just scoop it into a water pitcher |
| 06:57.11 | peterS | spiritraveller: elinks and galeon, depending on whether I want to bother with a gui |
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| 06:57.43 | peterS | in other words: elinks for most sites, galeon for sites that aren't useful without graphics and/or javascript |
| 06:57.55 | sep | spiritraveller, im running iceweasel all the time, and it's not crashing more then once a week. |
| 06:58.18 | sep | spiritraveller, install flashblock |
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| 06:58.28 | debfanman | peterS: least the attackers dont have to work so hard with you ;P j/k |
| 06:58.29 | g333k_laptop | Hi, I want to transfer files to my cellphone via infrared port, do I have to use some app? how can I know if my infrared port was successfully recognized by debian? I use etch |
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| 06:58.47 | peterS | debfanman: how do you mean? |
| 06:58.54 | haggz | spiritraveller: i was having frequent iceweasel crashes until I switched from free 'nv' driver to nVidia proprietary, so I think the stability might relate to xserver use. |
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| 06:59.00 | debfanman | peterS: nm, late, im tired ;) |
| 06:59.15 | spiritraveller | sep: I've a mind to just uninstall flash altogether... I mostly just use it for videos, and there are firefox add-ons that you can usually use to download them. |
| 06:59.16 | peterS | are you saying elinks is easier to attack than iceweasel? |
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| 06:59.52 | predder | spiritraveller, I'd suggest sticking with firefox 1.5.9 if you can. Though I recently upgraded from 2.0 to 2.0.0.1 and had most of my stability issues dissapear. Flash still makes my box crawl though |
| 06:59.59 | predder | youtube is in slow-mo :( |
| 07:00.01 | debfanman | peterS: i would explain it, but the time it would take would put me past sleep, and thus is impossible to tell you tonight. sorry |
| 07:00.21 | sep | flash is just the worst idea ever, but i need it for a few sites. so blachblock it is |
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| 07:01.41 | spiritraveller | peterS: does elinks do javascript or frames? |
| 07:02.09 | peterS | spiritraveller: frames yes, javascript ... the source code supports it but it's disabled for the debian build as it's unstable and not terribly useful |
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| 07:02.17 | debfanman | sep: flash is the crack of web site design |
| 07:02.40 | stoned | thats a lot of crackheads int he world the |
| 07:02.42 | stoned | then* |
| 07:02.47 | Supaplex | debfanman: you mean plumbers crack of ... |
| 07:02.50 | stoned | I mean a LOT of crackheads |
| 07:02.53 | stoned | lol |
| 07:02.54 | sep | indeed :) |
| 07:03.07 | g333k_laptop | infrared |
| 07:03.10 | g333k_laptop | !infrared |
| 07:03.15 | stoned | infredead |
| 07:03.19 | g333k_laptop | !irda |
| 07:03.20 | dpkg | it has been said that irda is (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. |
| 07:03.23 | stoned | thats a cool band name eh |
| 07:03.28 | stoned | Infradead |
| 07:03.37 | g333k_laptop | yep.. cool |
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| 07:03.57 | g333k_laptop | I want to transfer files to my nokiaaaaa |
| 07:04.24 | Supaplex | peterS: I find the flavor doesn't clump if you completly disolve the sugar first. I have a few 1gal bottles (they were for apple juice). I pour in the sugar, add filtered water (unfiltered tap water is nasty here), shake until it's disolved, then add the flavor. |
| 07:05.04 | peterS | Supaplex: since my sugar and kool-aid are quite well mixed before I start, I don't seem to get much clumping either |
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| 07:05.22 | Supaplex | spiffy. |
| 07:05.32 | debfanman | you guys have your sugar intake down to a science it would seem |
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| 07:05.58 | excelblue | I'm surprised... Debian-testing /w the GUI installer feels just as user-friendly as Ubuntu |
| 07:06.06 | excelblue | it has really come a far way since woody |
| 07:06.35 | debfanman | excelblue: you tryin to say debian wasnt user friendly before?! Heretic! |
| 07:06.54 | excelblue | heh, it felt more like slackware back in the woody days |
| 07:07.04 | litage | i was under the impression that security updates are only made available from security.debian.org , but that doesn't seem to be the case: apache-common_1.3.33-6sarge3_i386.deb is available from security.debian.org and from standard Sarge mirrors... |
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| 07:07.15 | debfanman | how slackware doin these days? |
| 07:07.27 | maheem | hi2all. i have trouble with fonts in gtk-1. non latin symbols are huge |
| 07:07.31 | excelblue | still your KISS distro... need to be somewhat knowledgable to use... |
| 07:07.33 | sep | excelblue, are you kidding me, i avoid the gui installer it's significantly slower, and less intuitive then the ncurses one |
| 07:07.40 | olsen | debfanman: i installed slackware 11 just a few minutes back |
| 07:07.49 | excelblue | heh, I like the ncurses better |
| 07:08.15 | debfanman | olsen: heh, good timing :) package system still same? still bsd init? |
| 07:08.21 | excelblue | though when I evaluate an OS, I always tend to try to forget everything I know about Linux just to see how newbie-friendly it would probably be |
| 07:08.28 | olsen | debfanman: is still very nice, i like it a lot, but some packages were a bit outdated and i feel a bit lazy to compile/install by myself |
| 07:08.29 | sep | ofcourse i see the need of a gui installer eg for right to left languages. but personaly i do without |
| 07:08.36 | olsen | debfanman: yeah, same old sysvinit |
| 07:08.38 | excelblue | debfanman: yep... bsdinit, same packaging, everything same |
| 07:08.42 | excelblue | just updated apps |
| 07:08.47 | olsen | deface: pkgtool the same too |
| 07:08.53 | excelblue | I'm just disapointed on how Slackware's still on 2.4 |
| 07:09.05 | olsen | excelblue: i've compiled 2.6.20 :) |
| 07:09.17 | olsen | excelblue: and removed all the precompiled modules and 2.4 kernel |
| 07:09.25 | excelblue | there hasn't been much radical changes - Slackware is extremely true to its principals about being a simple midbie/expert-oriented OS |
| 07:09.42 | excelblue | heh, that's what I always did on Slackware |
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| 07:09.59 | Supaplex | debfanman: it's so fun to see the way the flavor packet mixes in the water :) |
| 07:10.04 | excelblue | (though I switched to ArchLinux after a bit due to the fact that I must have a packaging system, and apt was too elaborate for my likes) |
| 07:10.18 | Supaplex | peterS: have you tried their tamirnido or jamacia flavors? |
| 07:10.19 | excelblue | s/must/started to prefer |
| 07:10.24 | peterS | no |
| 07:10.28 | debfanman | Supaplex: ? coolaid? |
| 07:10.35 | Supaplex | yes koolaid |
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| 07:11.03 | Supaplex | i think it's for south of the border only, but I bought some from a local reclimation store |
| 07:11.04 | stoned | is there a way to restrict the kernel to use only one core for ALL i/o processes |
| 07:11.09 | stoned | or force it |
| 07:11.12 | stoned | somehow |
| 07:11.12 | debfanman | sry, was just a lil random :/ |
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| 07:11.57 | stoned | say for example I want all HDD acticity to only be restricted to one cpu core while the other is free and my system is not unresponsive |
| 07:12.08 | Supaplex | stoned: one core? as in scheduling? |
| 07:12.10 | spiritraveller | peterS: elinks tells me that cookies are enabled, but there is a site I am trying to access that says they aren't. Maybe they are going by the browser-identification? |
| 07:12.20 | stoned | Supaplex: I would think so |
| 07:12.46 | excelblue | though, when comparing the debian TUI and GUI installers... they seem to be the same |
| 07:12.50 | excelblue | except in looks |
| 07:12.51 | peterS | spiritraveller: the site is on crack. I dunno. |
| 07:12.52 | Supaplex | stoned: someone was just mentioning how you can tie cpu affinity to a process. I wonder how you do that to... maybe a kernel thread? |
| 07:13.03 | peterS | Supaplex: prctl can do it |
| 07:13.04 | excelblue | main differences is that one renders using dialogs, while another uses GTK+ and DirectFB |
| 07:13.10 | excelblue | * are |
| 07:13.18 | debfanman | stoned: dont you want pam? |
| 07:13.19 | stoned | Supaplex: I am copying HDD right now, many of them, 300-500GB each and both cores are at constant 100% and system is horribly lagging |
| 07:13.25 | excelblue | I don't quite get how the TUI one would be more intuitive... faster, I understand, but more intuitive? hmm |
| 07:13.36 | stoned | debfanman: I don't know, that is why I ask here |
| 07:13.45 | debfanman | stoned: for niceness levels that is |
| 07:14.00 | Supaplex | stoned: w/ or w/o dma? w/ or w/o 32bit hdd access? (hdparm, unless it's sata) |
| 07:14.00 | stoned | can you renice to a particular core |
| 07:14.07 | stoned | it is sata |
| 07:14.26 | debfanman | stoned: well, check into it if you just looking to govern everyuthing to maintain control easier |
| 07:14.45 | spiritraveller | peterS: I agree... the site is westlaw... they are very protective of their data, so it's weird. Would be nice to use it with the speed of elinks though. |
| 07:14.49 | haggz | stoned: I have an article here about restricting processes to various cpu cores. It mentions Open MPI to create processor affinity locks and controlling them with taskset. |
| 07:15.01 | stoned | hmm |
| 07:15.07 | stoned | linky linky pweeze |
| 07:15.26 | debfanman | isnt mpi a clstering api? |
| 07:15.34 | debfanman | clustering* |
| 07:15.51 | haggz | debfanman: yeah but i think its toolset is applicable to multi-core processors |
| 07:16.22 | debfanman | haggz: just suggesting it might imply recompile of apps for benifit |
| 07:16.39 | haggz | debfanman: article is about benchmarking a multi-core cpu, linux journal january 2007 douglas eadlin author -- and yeah definitely this stuff requires recompilation to use |
| 07:16.47 | stoned | how does the kernel handle a multicore cpu? |
| 07:17.11 | debfanman | no clue actually |
| 07:17.22 | stoned | hmm |
| 07:17.26 | stoned | googlin time for moi |
| 07:17.37 | stoned | that is when my hdd is done being copied |
| 07:17.44 | stoned | system is very very slow right ow |
| 07:17.45 | debfanman | back in my day, a man was faithful to one core (although, sometimes extra cpu's are brought into the mix:) |
| 07:17.56 | stoned | heh |
| 07:18.14 | stoned | I have a 3500mhz core 2 duo man.. and my system is lagged beyong shit |
| 07:18.19 | stoned | beyond |
| 07:18.30 | debfanman | stock kernel? |
| 07:18.36 | stoned | right nwo yes |
| 07:18.42 | stoned | just installed debian last night |
| 07:18.50 | haggz | stoned: does top look right? |
| 07:18.51 | debfanman | damn. hope you get that figured out |
| 07:19.19 | stoned | recently disovered linux driver support. htop is looking great.. both cores show at a constant 100%.. still got 120GB left to copy |
| 07:19.23 | stoned | :( |
| 07:20.18 | stoned | and I'm using the ntfs-fuse(3g)driver to copy from ntfs partition to ext3 |
| 07:20.28 | stoned | almost all are 1GB+ files |
| 07:20.31 | debfanman | so your just doin some hd io and the cores show 100%? |
| 07:20.34 | haggz | stoned: i know its pretty easy to restrict the kernel to disable second core and run from just one. you might try that to see how it affects performance |
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| 07:20.56 | stoned | I wonder if its the ntfs driver causing that much cpu |
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| 07:21.40 | debfanman | cross drive copy? or partition? |
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| 07:22.11 | Supaplex | !nice |
| 07:22.12 | dpkg | nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity |
| 07:22.13 | stoned | well, data copy.. not exactly a 1:1 copy of the whole part/drive |
| 07:22.31 | Supaplex | fix my bugs, if there be any. |
| 07:22.48 | stoned | yes I asked earlier if somehow one could renice a process to a particular cpu |
| 07:22.55 | stoned | that kinda functionality would be very convenient |
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| 07:23.22 | Supaplex | indeed |
| 07:23.35 | debfanman | cant set affinity thorugh top/proc? |
| 07:23.45 | Supaplex | peterS: ever try splenda? |
| 07:23.56 | stoned | its tasty |
| 07:24.02 | stoned | a bit to powdery for my taste |
| 07:24.05 | stoned | I'm not peterS |
| 07:24.08 | stoned | but I like splenda |
| 07:24.09 | stoned | :D |
| 07:24.11 | Supaplex | I wonder how it is with koolaid, instead of sugar. |
| 07:24.19 | stoned | its good |
| 07:24.25 | stoned | it tastes just like sugar |
| 07:24.34 | stoned | especially good on french toast |
| 07:24.35 | Supaplex | yea, splenda is one of the only alternative sweetners I actually like. |
| 07:24.54 | bucky | it causes cancer in rats |
| 07:24.56 | Supaplex | aspertame can trigger migranes for me. |
| 07:25.01 | Supaplex | bullocks |
| 07:25.01 | stoned | bucky: bah |
| 07:25.05 | Supaplex | FUD |
| 07:25.05 | stoned | what to rats know of sugar |
| 07:25.11 | stoned | fear |
| 07:25.14 | stoned | uncertainty |
| 07:25.16 | stoned | doubt |
| 07:25.20 | stoned | the FUD man |
| 07:25.24 | stoned | he gave him the FUG!omg! |
| 07:25.29 | haggz | stoned: www.novell.com/collateral/4622016/4622016.pdf is about optimizing dual-core linux performanc, it looks relevant to your interests. its a novell document i googled up. |
| 07:25.38 | Supaplex | stoned: G ? what's that for? |
| 07:25.48 | stoned | Supaplex: G stands for Typo |
| 07:25.55 | Supaplex | better to google up, then down? |
| 07:25.59 | stoned | lol |
| 07:26.06 | haggz | stoned: it also focuses on AMD opteron but it has info on the general kernel-level core controls |
| 07:26.06 | bucky | Rats fed Splenda had shrunken thymus glands and enlarged kidneys and livers |
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| 07:26.50 | Supaplex | but do rats fed spelnda taste sweet? |
| 07:27.12 | bucky | i don't know.. but clowns taste funny |
| 07:27.22 | debfanman | heh |
| 07:27.26 | stoned | wait what |
| 07:27.39 | stoned | that grammatically did not make sense |
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| 07:27.48 | stoned | do rats fed splenda taste sweet |
| 07:27.48 | debfanman | *slap* |
| 07:27.55 | stoned | wait |
| 07:28.03 | stoned | are you asking if the rats taste sweet |
| 07:28.08 | stoned | cuz thats an odd question |
| 07:28.25 | Supaplex | shall I ask another to make it even? |
| 07:28.31 | stoned | no |
| 07:28.32 | stoned | no no |
| 07:28.36 | stoned | one is quite enough |
| 07:28.36 | Supaplex | too late. |
| 07:28.42 | stoned | hehe |
| 07:29.02 | haggz | stoned: apt-cache show schedutils is HIGHLY relevant to you |
| 07:29.14 | stoned | haggz: you da man |
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| 07:29.55 | stoned | 16GB left to copy on this disk 8 minutes remaining |
| 07:30.06 | stoned | I check out the pdf and the package after its done |
| 07:30.07 | chealer | hi. is any op at OFTC's #debian? |
| 07:30.08 | comsa | A male penguin sits on its offspring in the snow 4 mnths and saves one meal so it can survive then hopes the wife comes home with more food !!! |
| 07:30.22 | chealer | s/op at/op looking at/ |
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| 07:31.32 | karsten | chealer: Ask at oftc |
| 07:31.35 | debfanman | chealer: quick, say something stupid and find out |
| 07:31.44 | debfanman | s/say/do/ |
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| 07:33.14 | debfanman | comsa: you gotta stop watchin them documentaries. then get to you man *tear* ;) |
| 07:33.49 | debfanman | comsa: you dont wanna know how emotional i get when i see tux first appear on my screen on a reboot |
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| 07:34.39 | comsa | ha ha |
| 07:34.55 | comsa | 48 deg cl on sat |
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| 07:41.53 | raza2 | Hello I need some help on kernel installation on debian with scsi support |
| 07:42.12 | raza2 | I have enabled the scsi support and every thing goes fine untill I do mkinitrd |
| 07:42.24 | raza2 | then it gives me error sd_mod module not found |
| 07:42.27 | Supaplex | modules or not modules? |
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| 07:43.14 | raza2 | exact error "module sd_mod not found" |
| 07:43.16 | stoned | Question the is that, module to not or modules to |
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| 07:43.31 | daxxar | Hm, what decides wether apt-get pulls 32bit or 64bit binaries? |
| 07:43.35 | raza2 | but sd_mod.o is there in the scsi dir |
| 07:43.36 | spiritraveller | peterS: elinks is great! I spoofed the User Agent string as Internet Explorer 6, and text.westlaw.com lets me log in now. |
| 07:43.40 | peterS | raza2: sd_mod is 'scsi disk support', you either forgot to enable it or you compiled it in |
| 07:43.46 | stoned | hey |
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| 07:43.52 | stoned | elinks is graphical? |
| 07:43.56 | sexshun | how can i get perl working with apache... AddHandler cgi-script .pl |
| 07:44.03 | peterS | stoned: no. links2 is |
| 07:44.04 | stoned | I can't recall it to be |
| 07:44.07 | stoned | links2 -g |
| 07:44.09 | stoned | yeah |
| 07:44.15 | sexshun | i added that but it doesn't seem to work, i get permission denied |
| 07:44.25 | raza2 | peterS: I surely enabled it |
| 07:44.31 | debfanman | spiritraveller: id laugh if MS found a way to sue you under DCMA now or something equaly silly :) |
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| 07:44.48 | spiritraveller | stoned: text only I think. if I recall, there was a text-based browser that had a simplified gui mode. not sure if it was elinks or not. |
| 07:44.55 | peterS | debfanman: what has westlaw.com to do with microsoft? |
| 07:45.01 | stoned | spiritraveller: links2 |
| 07:45.14 | spiritraveller | stoned: ah, that was it then. |
| 07:45.43 | debfanman | peterS: forged its UA as IE6 |
| 07:45.50 | Supaplex | spoofing your UA won't get the DMCA on you. yiesh. |
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| 07:46.00 | peterS | debfanman: so uh, what does that have to do with the DMCA? do you understand what the DMCA says? |
| 07:46.00 | daxxar | If I change APT::Architecture to 32bit on a 64bit system - can I reinstall a live system to 32bit binaries? (then downgrade the kernel to 32bit) |
| 07:46.06 | debfanman | god you guys take things too serious lol |
| 07:46.21 | spiritraveller | pretty lame that they were saying I had cookies disabled just because they didn't recognize the UA string. |
| 07:46.22 | route_ | yay, su works again! |
| 07:46.31 | stoned | route_: what was the problem? |
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| 07:46.35 | stoned | route_: how did yo fix it |
| 07:46.36 | Supaplex | route_: how'd you unbreak it? |
| 07:46.59 | route_ | chmod u+s /bin/su |
| 07:47.05 | stoned | hahaha |
| 07:47.08 | peterS | spiritraveller: yeah I sometimes get popups on galeon because someone wants to warn me that since I'm not using {opera,msie,firefox} the site probably won't work. this is usually incorrect. |
| 07:47.10 | stoned | word man |
| 07:47.15 | mynullvoid | hi guys |
| 07:47.19 | stoned | hell |
| 07:47.20 | stoned | o |
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| 07:47.33 | route_ | Actually it was fixed a while ago, but I was watching Polterguist 3 and working on some other stuff. |
| 07:47.46 | raza2 | any idea how can I fix the sd_mod problem |
| 07:47.55 | route_ | Got root ssh logins disabled, and I can su to root only from certain accounts, just as I wanted. :-) |
| 07:47.56 | stoned | I recently saw killer clowns from outer space again |
| 07:47.58 | stoned | it was great |
| 07:48.09 | route_ | Psycho 3 is coming on right now. |
| 07:48.13 | peterS | raza2: if you're building a custom kernel, why are you bothering with an initrd at all? I wouldn't bother, I'd just compile in what needs to be compiled in |
| 07:48.18 | stoned | ugh |
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| 07:48.23 | peterS | raza2: unless you have root on raid or lvm or encrypted |
| 07:48.25 | stoned | those movies were moronic |
| 07:48.45 | stoned | suspense ooh whats gonna happen now, I can't deal with it.. Shit needs to happen right then and there and lots of it |
| 07:48.48 | stoned | :D |
| 07:49.02 | route_ | I never saw Poltergeist 3 before. It's sad that little girl died after filming it. |
| 07:49.04 | mynullvoid | at the moment I can see shorewall logs both at my TTY and my syslog, how do I disable shorewall logs? |
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| 07:50.07 | Supaplex | mynullvoid: setterm -msglevel 1 will curb them off your tty, but you'll have to edit your rules to not log to keep them out of syslog to. |
| 07:53.23 | route_ | stoned don't like suspense? |
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| 07:56.30 | ekimus | hi anyone has information on how te create a single sign on. especially when not all all applications can use pam, ldpap, database (even there I'm forced to different databases, mysql, postgres) I was thinking about using soap as a login part and writing a webinterface that will allow users to change their password which will then populate the different authentication sources. what do you think of that (is there even a pam_soap opti |
| 07:56.30 | ekimus | on)? |
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| 07:59.38 | stoned | what the debian ntp server |
| 07:59.44 | stoned | ntp.debian.org isn't working |
| 07:59.55 | stoned | !ntp |
| 07:59.55 | dpkg | well, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntpdate ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 08:00.09 | stoned | ah |
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| 08:00.22 | route_ | Several debian mirror sites are down today. |
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| 08:01.39 | siimo | huh |
| 08:02.04 | siimo | is it some sort of strike day |
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| 08:04.17 | karsten | route_: Such as? |
| 08:04.41 | karsten | ekimus: LDAP's probably your best bet. |
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| 08:07.07 | route_ | karsten mirrors1.debian.org has been very unreliable today, and the rutgers.edu mirror has been non-existant all day, and 1 other was not answering, but I forget which. |
| 08:08.01 | siimo | i am on http://debian.planetmirror.com and its working without any hassles |
| 08:09.03 | route_ | I tried setting my apt source earlier to rutgers, cuz it's only a few miles from here, and it was totally dead. |
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| 08:11.26 | siimo | i find http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/pub/linux/debian/ to be a very fast mirror too |
| 08:12.18 | route_ | yeah, I'm getting good ping times from that one. |
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| 08:15.14 | siimo | i tend to stay away from tier 1 mirrors as they receive a lot of hits |
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| 08:19.53 | ekimus | karsten: I would use ldap if all our apps could use it. I'm more seeking the glue for all the stuff that is there. soap seems a good option as it abstracts the authentication and i can change a service withou having to populate the changes everywhere (e.g. if our time sheet application changes and then uses postgres instead of mysql the authentication will be the same for users but i only have to change the single point where the so |
| 08:19.53 | ekimus | ap interfaces access the application) |
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| 08:23.13 | karsten | ekimus: I really don't know if there's a good solution or not. My read is that LDAP is where most of the stuff that _is_ focusing on SSO is headed. Dunno if SOAP is going to give you the flexibility to make that happen elsewhere, really outside my expertise. |
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| 08:26.05 | ekimus | well then i'll have to go and http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/ some more... |
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| 08:31.01 | mynullvoid | Supaplex: where can I refer to so that I can edit the rules to not to log them in syslog? |
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| 08:32.32 | silya | Hi all! Why after running /etc/init.d/squid reload permissions to /var/spool/squid/swap.state changes from proxy.proxy to root.proxy. Or I must run this command as user proxy? |
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| 08:33.50 | silya | And the second question :) : acl aclname proxy_auth username - howto to use it for some subnet? |
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| 08:42.26 | Supaplex | mynullvoid: well, I only recall straing up iptables. eg, iptables-save > editthis ; $EDITOR editthis ; and iptables-restore < editthis |
| 08:42.40 | Supaplex | s/straing/striaght/ |
| 08:42.43 | mynullvoid | oic |
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| 08:43.09 | mynullvoid | Supaplex: how can I set the shorewall logs only shown in TTY4 alone? |
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| 08:44.17 | crm__ | hi... im getting errors when the debian installation gets to the partitioning part the error is "input/output error duing read on /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/disc" |
| 08:44.42 | xand | crm__: sounds like a dodgy disk |
| 08:44.54 | Supaplex | AFAIK shorewall is just an interface to setup iptables. You'd have to have capture iptables in syslog in a specific subsystem/loglevel, and have syslog dump those to tty4. eg syslog.conf. good luck with that. |
| 08:45.14 | crm__ | windows can .. well did use it xand ? |
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| 08:47.10 | sep | crm__, if you want to test, you can use mkfs -t ext3 -c /device the -c will check your drive, it will take a while. |
| 08:47.34 | crm__ | when detecting hardware.. the following modules wheren't found: IDE-scsi emulation layer.. ide-mod ide-probe-mod ide-generic |
| 08:48.05 | crm__ | but both hdds were detected |
| 08:48.22 | crm__ | sep... how do i get out of the installation to try that? |
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| 08:48.52 | crm__ | found it i think "execute a shell"? |
| 08:49.33 | sep | crm__, i just use alt+F2 |
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| 08:50.15 | fs-a | any idea how to xmodmap "alt" and a letter to e.g. "Right"? |
| 08:50.22 | crm__ | damn.. can't find mkfs2 sep |
| 08:50.33 | crm__ | err mkfs |
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| 08:50.42 | sep | mkfs.ext3 perhaps ? |
| 08:50.54 | crm__ | yea =) |
| 08:51.23 | sep | then you should skip -t ext3 :) |
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| 08:53.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:53.32 | dpkg | qotd161 is probably * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
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| 09:09.53 | sparr | [when] did xorg become the default x server in debian? |
| 09:10.28 | dondelelcaro | sparr: quite a while ago |
| 09:10.45 | sparr | guesstimate? |
| 09:10.46 | sparr | 2 years? |
| 09:10.50 | misreckoning | how is debian 4 progressing ? |
| 09:10.59 | xand | who knows |
| 09:11.20 | dondelelcaro | sparr: about 1 year. |
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| 09:11.43 | sparr | thanks |
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| 09:11.54 | dondelelcaro | misreckoning: you can find out by seeing the outstanding release critical bugs that affect etch. |
| 09:13.06 | danf_1979 | is there a way to redirect stdout and stderr to a file and at the same time to stdout (screen?) I want to see, but want to log everything too... |
| 09:13.12 | dondelelcaro | danf_1979: tee |
| 09:13.24 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, redirect, then tail. |
| 09:13.29 | karsten | dondelelcaro: ... for two? |
| 09:13.46 | danf_1979 | I'll check tee, thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 09:15.19 | schultzconsult | Hi, I got a very big problem... I'm root but I cannot do a chmod on some directories |
| 09:15.39 | schultzconsult | I can not even do a rm -fR on those directories |
| 09:15.43 | karsten | schultzconsult: r/o mounts? |
| 09:15.51 | karsten | schultzconsult: ... or immutable bits set? |
| 09:16.08 | karsten | schultzconsult: What directories? |
| 09:16.10 | schultzconsult | how may i check the directory? |
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| 09:16.44 | streuner_ | hm |
| 09:16.54 | stoned | has anyone any info on 3d desktop like Xgl/compiz or Beryl on debian.. I've tried it all.. can't seem to get it working.. fglrx driver with X1900xt video card ATI |
| 09:16.58 | schultzconsult | it's not the /tmp dir but a tmp dir for courierimap |
| 09:17.02 | karsten | schultzconsult: lsattr |
| 09:17.21 | streuner_ | stoned: #beryl |
| 09:17.25 | schultzconsult | lsattr: Permission denied while trying to stat tmp |
| 09:17.44 | schultzconsult | how do I set the immutable bit? |
| 09:17.49 | stoned | join #beryl |
| 09:17.51 | stoned | doh |
| 09:17.54 | karsten | schultzconsult: dmesg or less /var/log/messages |
| 09:18.00 | karsten | schultzconsult: .. any sign of disk errors? |
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| 09:18.47 | schultzconsult | warning: is_leaf: free space seems wrong: level=1, nr_items=25, free_space=65524 rdkey |
| 09:18.48 | schultzconsult | f.eks. |
| 09:18.58 | karsten | Interesting. |
| 09:19.00 | schultzconsult | hda1: warning: vs-5150: search_by_key: invalid format found in block 295097. Fsck? |
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| 09:19.13 | SlayerXP | schultzconsult: what fs are you sing? |
| 09:19.16 | SlayerXP | using |
| 09:19.27 | schultzconsult | it's reiserfs |
| 09:19.43 | SlayerXP | schultzconsult: reformat and restore from backup. |
| 09:20.06 | schultzconsult | Ohhhheeee NNOOOOO |
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| 09:20.25 | SlayerXP | you have a abckup, right? |
| 09:20.35 | schultzconsult | Yep, I do |
| 09:20.44 | SlayerXP | so no problem then |
| 09:20.46 | schultzconsult | but It's rather timeconsuming |
| 09:20.50 | schultzconsult | I hate it |
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| 09:21.08 | SlayerXP | you'll lose less time in the future by not using shoddy filesystems |
| 09:21.12 | concept10 | !seen concept10 |
| 09:21.13 | dpkg | concept10 is currently on #debian (9s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen concept10'. |
| 09:21.17 | schultzconsult | but I'm happy it's a LVM, so it can be done remotely |
| 09:21.44 | schultzconsult | is reiserfs shoddy? should I use Ext3 instead? |
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| 09:24.28 | schultzconsult | SlayerXP: ? |
| 09:24.56 | SlayerXP | schultzconsult: ext3 is as near to bulletproof as makes no odds |
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| 09:26.02 | schultzconsult | okay, wi'll use it in the future... Have always trusted ReiserFS as a stable fs |
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| 09:26.14 | aidehua | I have 1GB of data that I want to burn to CD. What do I do? |
| 09:27.21 | sep | !reiserfs |
| 09:27.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: government-sponsered, highly scientific and secretive. |
| 09:28.13 | sep | schultzconsult, make sure you have good backups :) |
| 09:28.13 | schultzconsult | damn, now I belong to the ex-fans ;-) |
| 09:28.32 | gustav3d | and ZFS ? |
| 09:28.40 | schultzconsult | We have toons of backup... about 4-5 disks of raw data |
| 09:28.54 | sep | gustav3d, are there packages for sarge ? |
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| 09:29.20 | gustav3d | probably only good implemented on solaris atm ?. |
| 09:29.43 | schultzconsult | will a fsck be a try to check it and might repair it and then roll a backup, if if fails? |
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| 09:30.23 | sep | schultzconsult, just mkfs on ext3 and roll in a backup |
| 09:30.57 | schultzconsult | I'll do that... |
| 09:31.16 | sep | schultzconsult, trying to fix a reiserfs is plain painful, will state that it succeeded and youll find corrupted files all over the place |
| 09:31.49 | sep | had it atlest stated that it failed it would not be so bad :) |
| 09:31.58 | schultzconsult | damn I'm beginning to hate reiserfs now |
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| 09:32.32 | sep | don't |
| 09:32.40 | sep | hate leads to the dark side. ! |
| 09:32.46 | SlayerXP | schultzconsult: i'm up to about 8 years. |
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| 09:33.22 | schultzconsult | But fsck for ext3 does work? |
| 09:33.27 | schultzconsult | just to be sure |
| 09:33.32 | SlayerXP | yes |
| 09:33.51 | SlayerXP | as opposed to effectively being a symlink to mkfs |
| 09:34.02 | sep | SlayerXP, hehe :) |
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| 09:35.47 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 09:43.34 | schultzconsult | Then I'll be on this recovering process untill late this night... |
| 09:43.49 | eatnumber1 | is it possible to install debian from a gentoo livecd? |
| 09:44.31 | streuner | eatnumber1: why? |
| 09:44.52 | streuner | eatnumber1: (why do you think you need a gentoo livecd) |
| 09:44.59 | eatnumber1 | streuner, because the debian install media does not support lvm or luks which my drive is formatted using |
| 09:45.00 | sparr | eatnumber1: almost certainly, although it may be complex |
| 09:45.24 | eatnumber1 | streuner, oh, my mistake, i believe it does support lvm |
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| 09:45.56 | sparr | eatnumber1: in theory, you could download the netinstall files and load them onto a ramdisk, then chroot to it, and install from there. |
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| 09:46.16 | eatnumber1 | sparr, hmm... never thought of that. i'll try it |
| 09:47.34 | schultzconsult | May i check the filesystem to see, how many places it's broken without fixing anything... Will the fsck tool work that well on a reiserfs? |
| 09:48.04 | schultzconsult | Just to find out which places to look for, when the backup is roled in |
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| 09:48.57 | sanmarcos | I have a couple of scripts in /etc/networking/if-up.d/, but they dont get executed when the network interface goes up, any ideas? |
| 09:49.25 | karsten | sanmarcos: Are they executable? |
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| 09:49.44 | sanmarcos | yes |
| 09:49.48 | sanmarcos | 755 |
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| 09:50.45 | robin_sz | is Debian for Vista out yet?? or will the XP version work? |
| 09:51.02 | sanmarcos | karsten, do I need to specify it anywhere so that if-up.d/ scripts are executed? |
| 09:51.15 | karsten | sanmarcos: I don't believe so. |
| 09:51.20 | karsten | sanmarcos: OTOH, it's bedtime. |
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| 09:52.25 | streuner | robin_sz: heh? |
| 09:52.28 | sparr | robin_sz: thank you, thats the funniest thing i have heard all day |
| 09:52.40 | eatnumber1 | sparr, I downloaded the businesscard netinst cd image and mounted it, but it doesn't seem to be possible to chroot into it... am I missing something? |
| 09:52.47 | sparr | schultzconsult: running fsck without fixing anything can miss problems |
| 09:52.47 | karsten | robin_sz: http://www.goodbye-microsoft.org/ |
| 09:53.05 | sparr | eatnumber1: not sure, id have to try it myself to figure out the specifics |
| 09:53.13 | eatnumber1 | sparr, k |
| 09:53.23 | schultzconsult | sparr: okay, but it would be nice to know how many places it's broken |
| 09:53.52 | robin_sz | karsten, OK, let me try that on my clients workstation ... ;) |
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| 09:54.06 | karsten | robin_sz: ;-) |
| 09:54.20 | karsten | robin_sz: There's also colinux |
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| 09:56.07 | Knight_Lord | I have a 3ware RAID card that I use for software RAID. I also have smartctl running. Smart uses the 3ware driver to access drives. I got a smart error on /dev/twa0 [3ware_disk_05]. How do I know which /dev/sd? that corresponds to? |
| 09:57.08 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: parse error at or near " I have a 3ware RAID card that I use for software RAID" |
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| 09:58.21 | karsten | SlayerXP: As JBOD it's possible, though ... confused. |
| 09:58.33 | sep | Knight_Lord, perhaps tw_cli ? |
| 09:58.35 | hark | !qotd129 |
| 09:58.36 | dpkg | hmm... qotd129 is <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
| 09:58.48 | hark | i thought that was familiar ;) |
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| 10:05.39 | indraveni | hi, can some one help me, in solving realplyer error in debian etch |
| 10:05.49 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP you should see the problem we got with drivers for the hardware raid |
| 10:06.13 | indraveni | the installation went smoothly, but when I tried to execute using realplay command, the error is as follows |
| 10:06.20 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP There's still a nice open bug on the rhel website |
| 10:06.26 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: i've been using 3ware cards with debian for _years_ |
| 10:06.27 | indraveni | /usr/bin/realplay: line 75: 20394 Segmentation fault $REALPLAYBIN "$@" |
| 10:06.51 | sep | Knight_Lord, you can't possibly have problems with 3ware card drivers, i have been using them sine 2.2 and the drivers have been great all along |
| 10:07.02 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP also I get a lot more space using software raid |
| 10:07.17 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: que? |
| 10:07.56 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP because I can't have 16 drives in the same array |
| 10:08.42 | Malagmyr | !vfatrw |
| 10:08.43 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 10:08.45 | SlayerXP | so, you not buying the right raid card means that the wrong raid card you did buy is flawed |
| 10:08.54 | SlayerXP | yes, I can see the logic there |
| 10:09.16 | Knight_Lord | SlayerXP there were no 3ware cards with 16 ports at the time. I don't know how it is now |
| 10:09.36 | Knight_Lord | The nice bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=121434 |
| 10:10.07 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: 3ware have been shipping 24 port cards for several years |
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| 10:11.44 | Knight_Lord | Nothing on the 9000 series yet |
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| 10:12.55 | SlayerXP | Knight_Lord: http://store.3ware.com/?category=10&subcategory=11&productid=9550SX-16ML |
| 10:13.08 | Knight_Lord | Yes that one is new and you were saying 24 |
| 10:13.29 | Knight_Lord | There are 2 16 ports card that did not exist at the time |
| 10:13.39 | SlayerXP | http://store.3ware.com/?category=10&subcategory=8&productid=9650SE-24M8 |
| 10:13.58 | SlayerXP | there were older series cards that did, though |
| 10:14.16 | Knight_Lord | Ok, but maybe they were not SATA |
| 10:14.42 | Knight_Lord | I know that when i tried to get one, there was no such thing available, so i get 2 cards of 8 |
| 10:15.16 | sep | Knight_Lord, there was, but only with multi-line. |
| 10:16.06 | Knight_Lord | sep from the tw_cli i can get the sd? device? |
| 10:17.04 | Knight_Lord | I can get the serial number but i don't know how to get the serial number from the sd device |
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| 10:17.46 | sep | Knight_Lord, hmm naw only the portnumber on the card. and the card |
| 10:18.00 | sep | i guess you must map major/minor from /proc/partitions |
| 10:18.30 | sep | or perhaps your 9000 cards have more info in /proc/scsi/3w-9xxx then i have in mine 3w-xxxx |
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| 10:20.19 | Knight_Lord | sep i'm afraid not |
| 10:20.51 | indraveni | hello , can I ask debian multimedia queries here , or is there any other channel |
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| 10:23.23 | Knight_Lord | sep what do you mean by maping from /proc/partitions? How can i get the major/minor from the twa? |
| 10:23.28 | olsen | hi |
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| 10:23.46 | olsen | i know that i would like debian more than ubuntu, but why do you think i would like it more? |
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| 10:24.31 | Knight_Lord | olsen no mind readers around at the moment i'm afraid |
| 10:24.39 | karmatronic | olsen , cos debian packages are more reliable |
| 10:24.54 | karmatronic | olsen: cos |
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| 10:25.22 | ebbs | Hi. I've got the problem, that with my new kernel (2.6.19.2 on etch), my agere et131x ethernet adapter doesn't work anymore. Ifconfig even isn't interested, if the module is loaded or not. When I did ifup eth0, ifconfig says Protocol:UNSPEC and Hardware Address: "a very long address, too long for a Mac Address". What can I do? |
| 10:25.31 | karmatronic | olsen: there are a lot of distros based in debian |
| 10:25.32 | olsen | karmatronic: yeah, i experienced many problems with ubuntu packages, many were broken |
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| 10:25.41 | karmatronic | olsen: cos |
| 10:25.49 | zophyx_ | bienviendo |
| 10:25.54 | streuner | ebbs: use an official kernel? |
| 10:26.00 | karmatronic | olsen: understanding debian is really not difficult |
| 10:26.00 | zophyx_ | comparadeos |
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| 10:26.06 | olsen | karmatronic: i know |
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| 10:26.25 | zophyx_ | olsen: where's your twin ? |
| 10:26.29 | ebbs | streuner, no Im using my compiled kernel, but from kernel.or, if you mean this. |
| 10:26.38 | karmatronic | ebbs: ipv6 problem maybe .... |
| 10:26.43 | olsen | the only problem i see is that i don't have a good internet connection and i'm getting the netinstall |
| 10:26.43 | ebbs | *kernel.org |
| 10:26.47 | olsen | zophyx_: i don't have a twin |
| 10:26.47 | yolkaplexus | hi there, anyone know why 2.6.x (2.6.20) can not use synaptics drivers on x11 ? |
| 10:27.02 | ebbs | karmatronic, im not using IPv6 |
| 10:27.44 | karmatronic | ebbs: try lsmod | grep ipv6 just to be sure |
| 10:27.46 | vlt | Hello. What could be a reason for `mount -t nfs` taking exact 106 seconds to finnish from differnet clients? |
| 10:28.58 | ebbs | karmatronic, ok, ok module is loaded and I Cant unload it; FATAL: Module in use. |
| 10:29.02 | vlt | different* |
| 10:29.12 | karmatronic | ebbs: neither can i so my mistake |
| 10:29.26 | karmatronic | ebbs: but still , do you know your ethernet driver ? |
| 10:29.28 | olsen | how is apt compared to portage? |
| 10:29.39 | karmatronic | olsen: better ,really better |
| 10:29.48 | karmatronic | olsen: it s not the same approach though |
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| 10:30.00 | ebbs | karmatronic, the driver is the right one, I already used it before with my old kernel. |
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| 10:30.05 | karmatronic | olsen: portage is meant to compiling |
| 10:30.13 | olsen | karmatronic: yeah |
| 10:30.14 | karmatronic | olsen: with apt,you get binaries |
| 10:30.20 | olsen | karmatronic: i know |
| 10:30.27 | olsen | karmatronic: but, why is it better? |
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| 10:30.42 | karmatronic | olsen: so apt is obviously faster but less optimised |
| 10:30.55 | karmatronic | olsen: i prefer apt because |
| 10:31.21 | karmatronic | olsen: for most applications , you dont need optimised code |
| 10:31.45 | karmatronic | olsen: and if you really need it , just get the source and proceed the standard way |
| 10:31.53 | olsen | karmatronic: yeh |
| 10:31.59 | olsen | karmatronic: i agree |
| 10:32.04 | karmatronic | olsen: i use apt whenever it s possible |
| 10:32.12 | karmatronic | olsen: but although i m debian fanatic |
| 10:32.20 | schultzconsult | SlayerXP: before I do anything I just want to verify that a cp -Rpv will copy everything from one source to the destination preserving all permissions set on the directories |
| 10:32.35 | karmatronic | olsen: the good old ./configure ; make; make install always suppsoed to work |
| 10:32.46 | SlayerXP | karmatronic: you know, it's quite possible that you were born to serve as a warning to everyone else. |
| 10:32.50 | karmatronic | olsen: and if it doesnt , there s a problem with the APP |
| 10:33.02 | karmatronic | SlayerXP: didnt get you |
| 10:33.03 | olsen | karmatronic: in gentoo for example you use the USE flags for dependencies, like, if you need mysql, postgresql support in php you specify those flags, what about in debian? you install php-mysql, php-postgresql, etc? |
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| 10:33.14 | olsen | karmatronic: yeah |
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| 10:33.35 | karmatronic | olsen: about gentoo |
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| 10:33.45 | karmatronic | olsen: i think it s really a good debian |
| 10:33.54 | olsen | karmatronic: hm? |
| 10:34.03 | karmatronic | olsen: and if i had time , i would put it on some computer |
| 10:34.06 | ilf | hmm, why does unstable still have 2.6.18 (-4 yesterday) while 2.6.20 is out already. is development stalling because of etch release madness? |
| 10:34.20 | karmatronic | olsen: it s just that i cant stand 10 hours first compilation |
| 10:34.33 | olsen | yeah |
| 10:34.33 | olsen | same |
| 10:34.34 | karmatronic | olsen: when debian gets installed in 13 minutes |
| 10:34.35 | vlt | Second try mounting nfs on the same machine tool 105 seconds. |
| 10:34.42 | olsen | i don't like to waste time like that too |
| 10:34.46 | vlt | s/tool/took/ |
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| 10:35.21 | karmatronic | olsen: the two times i tried to install gentoo, compilation failed during the night |
| 10:35.27 | karmatronic | olsen: so i just gave up |
| 10:35.41 | olsen | i never really had problems with gentoo, i just didn't like it |
| 10:35.53 | karmatronic | olsen: installed ubuntu in the morning ,in 10 minutes |
| 10:35.59 | olsen | i been using lfs on my desktop for ~ 2 years |
| 10:36.01 | karmatronic | olsen: but still i wasnt convinced |
| 10:36.07 | robin_sz | hark, nah, that was the old joke, I updated it for vista :) |
| 10:36.13 | olsen | i prefer something like debian for this days |
| 10:36.27 | olsen | karmatronic: yeah, i'm running ubuntu right now |
| 10:36.30 | indraveni | can some one help me, in installing realplayer in debian etch |
| 10:36.31 | indraveni | pelase |
| 10:36.31 | karmatronic | olsen: so im stuck to debian foreevr i guess |
| 10:36.32 | indraveni | please |
| 10:36.35 | olsen | karmatronic: but i don't like the default theme in gnome |
| 10:36.39 | zophyx_ | linux vista is very good |
| 10:36.48 | karmatronic | olsen: i dont like ubuntu either |
| 10:36.50 | jm|work | vlt: did you install portmap? |
| 10:37.09 | karmatronic | olsen: really , there are only few linux that i really like |
| 10:37.26 | olsen | karmatronic: yeah |
| 10:37.33 | karmatronic | olsen: debian , red hat (but cant stand fedora) , gentoo and thats it |
| 10:37.44 | olsen | karmatronic: i can't stand fedora too |
| 10:37.45 | karmatronic | olsen: maybe crux |
| 10:37.57 | olsen | karmatronic: fedora looks to bloated and fat |
| 10:38.03 | olsen | karmatronic: you have good taste :p |
| 10:38.11 | karmatronic | olsen: maybe in 10 years yumex will be able to compete with apt |
| 10:38.40 | olsen | yeah |
| 10:38.42 | olsen | but apt rocks |
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| 10:38.45 | karmatronic | olsen: the ease of install of programs should be major force in linux world |
| 10:39.06 | olsen | yeah |
| 10:39.15 | karmatronic | olsen: compared to windows users who are scared (or should be ) whenever they insztall a program |
| 10:39.17 | vlt | jm|work: Not that I knew ... I'll check. |
| 10:39.21 | olsen | cant wait for install debian |
| 10:39.36 | olsen | karmatronic: yeah |
| 10:39.39 | karmatronic | olsen: yeah you have good taste too :) |
| 10:39.45 | olsen | karmatronic: thanks :) |
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| 10:40.13 | olsen | karmatronic: btw. what do you do with debian, just curious, do you develop software? |
| 10:40.48 | karmatronic | olsen: i do network administration and devellop some python applications from time to time |
| 10:41.00 | olsen | nice, netadmin :) |
| 10:41.09 | karmatronic | olsen: but i basically do service installation and configuration |
| 10:41.10 | vlt | jm|work: Yes, portmap is installed as a dependency: nfs-kernel-server -> nfs-common -> portmap |
| 10:41.27 | hark | indraveni: where did you install realplayer from? |
| 10:41.29 | karmatronic | olsen: openvpn,openldap,openswan,squid,postfix... |
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| 10:41.40 | olsen | karmatronic: :) |
| 10:41.51 | indraveni | I tried from realplayer website and also from debian.miltimedia.org also |
| 10:42.00 | olsen | karmatronic: i also used to do a bit of syadmin/netadmin, but only samba, squid, iptables, etc |
| 10:42.22 | indraveni | hark, http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main |
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| 10:42.41 | olsen | karmatronic: although i'm still very interested, with openvpn, openldap, openssl, etc |
| 10:42.42 | jm|work | vlt: the other issue could be one of resolution |
| 10:42.45 | jm|work | check dns |
| 10:42.52 | karmatronic | olsen: openvpn is really cool |
| 10:42.59 | olsen | karmatronic: really? |
| 10:43.00 | karmatronic | olsen: and easy ! |
| 10:43.14 | olsen | karmatronic: i would try it out :) |
| 10:43.28 | karmatronic | olsen: really easy to install and it will allow you to bypass most firewalls |
| 10:43.34 | karmatronic | :) |
| 10:43.36 | vlt | jm|work: What to check there? (I'm accessing from LAN only.) |
| 10:43.37 | olsen | karmatronic: do you have all that running in debian? |
| 10:43.42 | karmatronic | yeah ! |
| 10:43.46 | olsen | karmatronic: nice :D |
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| 10:43.59 | indraveni | hark, I am able to install but during the execution using realplay command the following is the error |
| 10:44.09 | indraveni | /usr/bin/realplay: line 75: 20394 Segmentation fault $REALPLAYBIN "$@" |
| 10:44.24 | jm|work | vlt: start tcpdump on the nfs server and see what it's trying to do when you connect the nfs client |
| 10:44.26 | olsen | karmatronic: this days i been learning some web development with CSS, and doing some freelance jobs with PHP, mysql, postgresql, etc |
| 10:44.27 | dirkson | Hey all. Stupid question - How do I make debian allow me to set a user's password to a blank value? I've created a public account, and I'd like it to be accessable without a password |
| 10:44.37 | olsen | karmatronic: i want to learn python/ruby too |
| 10:44.41 | olsen | karmatronic: and asterisk :D |
| 10:44.42 | xand | dirkson: accessible how? |
| 10:44.51 | karmatronic | olsen: i have asterisk running too |
| 10:44.56 | olsen | karmatronic: wow, really? |
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| 10:44.59 | dirkson | xand, ssh, and localmachine login |
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| 10:45.12 | olsen | karmatronic: how does it work? |
| 10:45.14 | karmatronic | olsen: yeah but only the basics (sip to sip clients ) |
| 10:45.21 | olsen | karmatronic: nice |
| 10:45.26 | karmatronic | olsen: my initial plan was to use bluetooth |
| 10:45.33 | karmatronic | olsen: as a gateway |
| 10:45.38 | olsen | karmatronic: very cool... |
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| 10:45.44 | olsen | karmatronic: is it hard to configure? |
| 10:45.48 | karmatronic | olsen: i configured anything |
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| 10:45.58 | olsen | karmatronic: nice :) |
| 10:45.59 | karmatronic | olsen: now it s easier than it seems |
| 10:46.07 | vlt | jm|work: Can I give any more specific filters to tcpdump ;-) ? |
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| 10:46.18 | karmatronic | olsen: the worst thing was to properly compile chan_bluetooth |
| 10:46.24 | dirkson | xand, Any ideas? : ) |
| 10:46.26 | olsen | karmatronic: i havent sleep yet because i'm so excited to try the real debian :D |
| 10:46.28 | jm|work | vlt: well: the nfs ports, and 53, I'd say? |
| 10:46.29 | karmatronic | olsen: although it s not working :( |
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| 10:46.38 | vlt | jm|work: Ok, thx. |
| 10:46.42 | olsen | karmatronic: im downloading it with my slow connection :D |
| 10:46.48 | jm|work | or at least host $nfscliient AND port 53 |
| 10:46.52 | olsen | karmatronic: hm |
| 10:47.00 | jm|work | so you can see what's going to and from the nfsclient and see if DNS is in fact being performed |
| 10:47.26 | xand | er |
| 10:47.34 | olsen | karmatronic: do you know why is not working? |
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| 10:48.17 | dirkson | xand, Nvm, fixed! |
| 10:48.29 | karmatronic | olsen: sorry , what s your problem? |
| 10:48.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | What are the commands for The Debian Wayâ„¢ of compiling kernels? |
| 10:48.46 | olsen | karmatronic: hm? |
| 10:49.05 | olsen | karmatronic: i asked you why is your asterisk not working |
| 10:49.19 | karmatronic | olsen: no , i didnt find out at the moment |
| 10:49.33 | olsen | karmatronic: ok |
| 10:49.46 | karmatronic | olsen: but from what i saw , nobody has been able to use bluetooth with asterisk |
| 10:49.48 | hark | indraveni: hmm, do a strace and find out why? or use something like mplayer. afaik with w32codecs, you should be able to play rm files.. |
| 10:49.55 | olsen | karmatronic: i see |
| 10:49.57 | karmatronic | olsen: so i just gave up |
| 10:50.10 | karmatronic | olsen: AND #ASTERISK just dont care |
| 10:50.14 | olsen | karmatronic: :/ |
| 10:50.15 | indraveni | hark, I am able to play rm files using vlc player etc |
| 10:50.23 | olsen | karmatronic: there are debian packages for asterisk? |
| 10:50.24 | karmatronic | olsen: cos bluetooth in asterisk is not supported |
| 10:50.29 | karmatronic | olsen: yeah |
| 10:50.36 | hark | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about kp |
| 10:50.37 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 10:50.37 | indraveni | hark, but there are some sites which are using realplayer for wtching the online news or movies |
| 10:50.38 | olsen | karmatronic: i see |
| 10:50.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: Thanks |
| 10:50.53 | olsen | karmatronic: debian looks pretty cool |
| 10:50.58 | indraveni | hark, so i need realplayer only in me system |
| 10:51.04 | karmatronic | olsen: you love it |
| 10:51.13 | olsen | karmatronic: i hope so :) |
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| 10:51.15 | vlt | jm|work: "AND port 53" => syntax error. Do you know the correct syntax? |
| 10:51.30 | olsen | karmatronic: what wm/de do you use in debian btw? |
| 10:51.30 | jm|work | er |
| 10:51.42 | karmatronic | olsen: gnome or xfce |
| 10:51.51 | karmatronic | olsen: i cant stand kde either :) |
| 10:51.52 | hark | indraveni: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=/usr/bin/realplay%20segmentation%20fault |
| 10:51.58 | olsen | karmatronic: nice |
| 10:52.12 | jm|work | jamie:/home/jamie# tcpdump -n host 127.0.0.1 and port 53 |
| 10:52.12 | jm|work | tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol decode |
| 10:52.12 | jm|work | listening on eth0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96 bytes |
| 10:52.18 | jm|work | works here :/ |
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| 10:52.38 | vlt | jm|work: assume that was for me ;-) |
| 10:52.44 | jm|work | ya |
| 10:52.59 | olsen | karmatronic: what version of debian do you use? |
| 10:53.06 | karmatronic | olsen: now that vista was launched i guess i ll try enlightenment to convince people 3d desktops were available for 10 years in linux |
| 10:53.20 | olsen | karmatronic: :) |
| 10:53.29 | karmatronic | olsen: i use etch on my pc and my laptop |
| 10:53.37 | olsen | karmatronic: i showed my dad beryl and he was like (O_O impressive!!) |
| 10:53.44 | karmatronic | cool |
| 10:53.49 | olsen | karmatronic: :p |
| 10:53.50 | vlt | jm|work: It was the capital-letter "AND" ... |
| 10:53.57 | karmatronic | olsen: i also use sarge on two pcs |
| 10:54.02 | jm|work | vlt: sorry. Been SQL coding over the weekend :/ |
| 10:54.12 | olsen | karmatronic: cool |
| 10:54.13 | hark | indraveni: something like mozilla-mplayer should also work |
| 10:54.27 | jm|work | SO I'M sort OF thinking.abit LIKE this. |
| 10:54.45 | indraveni | hark, ok I will check |
| 10:55.51 | olsen | karmatronic: i would probably need this packages at first: php 5, ruby (irb, gems, rails), mysql 5, postgresql 8, sqlib, asterisk, mplayer, vlc, are all those packages available in debian? |
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| 10:56.05 | olsen | karmatronic: oh, and vim/gvim 7 :) |
| 10:56.33 | sep | olsen, you can search for packages at http://www.debian.org |
| 10:56.39 | olsen | sep: ok |
| 10:56.41 | oNLYFORHOBBY | yakuale is kconsole? |
| 10:56.49 | sep | or just use apt-cache search (once you have installed debian) |
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| 10:57.05 | karmatronic | olsen: they all are |
| 10:57.11 | olsen | karmatronic: cool!!! :D |
| 10:57.24 | jelly-home | Hi, (how) can I make a process and its children not use disk cache? I have a backup process running and would prefer it not to use the cache... can I do this without messing with source to use O_DIRECT on open()? |
| 10:58.01 | olsen | karmatronic: so debian will be a perfect desktop system? :) |
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| 10:58.52 | karmatronic | olsen: for me it is |
| 10:59.34 | olsen | karmatronic: ubuntu is really nice for me, because in some way is debian, i just don't like some specific ubuntu things, but i love APT |
| 10:59.37 | sep | olsen, debian is very very flexible it can be the perfect anything you configure it for. but it's pretty generic as a default. the flexibility ofcourse also means that new users migth get lost in all the posibilities |
| 11:00.11 | vlt | jm|work: yes, I KNOW that AND should HAVE tried minor OR small letters first ;-) |
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| 11:00.35 | vlt | jm|work: Problem: "and port 53" results in ZERO captured packets |
| 11:00.40 | karmatronic | olsen: i think ubuntu is ok |
| 11:00.44 | sep | ubuntu makes a lot of those choises for you, releaving you of having to decide for yourself. i use it for grandma. |
| 11:00.54 | dirkson | Hmm... I'm trying to remove the password from a guest account and have it still usable... How would I go about that? |
| 11:01.06 | karmatronic | olsen: but apt depots dont work as well as in debian |
| 11:01.17 | karmatronic | olsen: for me it s the only difference |
| 11:01.26 | gustav3d | if stable fast , well supported server distro is wanted, what do you recomend ?. |
| 11:01.30 | olsen | karmatronic: i see |
| 11:01.33 | vlt | jm|work: ... while omitting this captures all of the nfs client's communication. |
| 11:01.43 | karmatronic | olsen: that sudo thing is useless |
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| 11:01.54 | karmatronic | olsen: i mean , as it s done in ubuntu |
| 11:01.55 | vlt | jm|work: I'll try something like "OR" OR "or" ;-) |
| 11:01.57 | olsen | karmatronic: does sudo comes with debian too? |
| 11:02.13 | karmatronic | olsen: no but ou can installit with apt |
| 11:02.31 | karmatronic | olsen: debian s install dont create a sudoed user as in ubuntu |
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| 11:02.40 | olsen | i see |
| 11:02.42 | oNLYFORHOBBY | exit |
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| 11:02.57 | primepie | I added this to sshd_config file : Allowusers username@* however I still get access denied |
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| 11:03.18 | olsen | karmatronic: so debian is more generic, and you can customize it as your heart needs :) |
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| 11:03.23 | jm|work | vlt: I meant or |
| 11:03.32 | olsen | karmatronic: and everything works better on it? |
| 11:03.35 | jm|work | vlt: it's Monday morning. Give me a break :P |
| 11:03.49 | karmatronic | olsen: honestly i dont know |
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| 11:04.03 | sep | where do i find /dev/fd0u1680 on a udev system ? |
| 11:04.05 | karmatronic | olsen: i think debian or ubuntu cant be customized the same way |
| 11:04.12 | karmatronic | s/cant/can |
| 11:04.25 | olsen | karmatronic: i feel a bit restricted with ubuntu |
| 11:04.38 | karmatronic | olsen: ubuntu is designed to the end-user |
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| 11:04.48 | olsen | karmatronic: i like plain shells, where you get things installed and you just run it from there |
| 11:04.55 | primepie | I added this to sshd_config file : Allowusers username@* however I still get access denied |
| 11:04.58 | olsen | karmatronic: yeah |
| 11:05.05 | karmatronic | olsen: but if you already know linux , you should directly go for debian |
| 11:05.17 | olsen | karmatronic: does debian uses udev? |
| 11:05.24 | luisjose | Yes |
| 11:05.27 | karmatronic | olsen: yes |
| 11:05.30 | olsen | nice |
| 11:05.54 | karmatronic | olsen: debian >= ubuntu |
| 11:06.08 | dirkson | Hmm... I'm trying to remove the password from a guest account and have it still usable... How would I go about that? |
| 11:06.09 | olsen | slackware by default uses the MAKDEV script that creates tons of static nodes in /dev |
| 11:06.14 | olsen | i don't like that |
| 11:06.20 | olsen | but you can use udev too |
| 11:06.40 | karmatronic | olsen: internet is full of ubuntu docs but those docs are hardware-oriented |
| 11:06.53 | olsen | yeah |
| 11:06.55 | karmatronic | olsen: like how to configure you sound card in edgy |
| 11:07.10 | olsen | yeah |
| 11:07.18 | karmatronic | olsen: but you dont find howto on "install bind in sledgy" |
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| 11:07.37 | olsen | karmatronic: haha yeah |
| 11:07.40 | karmatronic | or whatever ....dgy |
| 11:07.40 | vydd | hi all...I changed my sources.list to etch, did apt-get update, dist-upgrade....and now I can't run X. I have ATI Radeon 9550 card, and I tried installing ATI proprietary drivers, but it didn't help. I also tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, with selecting vesa and vga, and it didn't work either....X says it fails to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so, GLcore module, speedo...fglrx says that there's no matching device for |
| 11:07.40 | vydd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.57 | olsen | karmatronic: i guess debian have all the modules in /lib/modules and when you boot it, it detects all the hardware it can automatically right? |
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| 11:08.20 | karmatronic | olsen: not always |
| 11:08.20 | karmatronic | olsen: but is a kernel problem,not debian specific |
| 11:08.31 | olsen | karmatronic: ok |
| 11:08.58 | karmatronic | olsen: if you go for sarge , maybe you ethernet card or sata drive wont work out of the box |
| 11:09.15 | olsen | karmatronic: that have kernel 2.4? |
| 11:09.25 | karmatronic | olsen: no no |
| 11:09.33 | karmatronic | olsen: 2.6.10 or something like that |
| 11:09.40 | olsen | ok |
| 11:09.43 | drako | ill say go for etch |
| 11:09.50 | olsen | im getting etch |
| 11:09.54 | drako | i'd |
| 11:10.22 | olsen | once etch is released they freeze the packages or they still continue to mantain with newer packages? |
| 11:10.36 | jduggan | olsen: they freeze apart from security fixes |
| 11:10.43 | jduggan | hence 'stable' |
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| 11:10.54 | olsen | jduggan: i see |
| 11:11.03 | olsen | and if you want bleeding edge? |
| 11:11.09 | janttsu | etch |
| 11:11.10 | jduggan | use sid |
| 11:11.12 | jduggan | :P |
| 11:11.15 | olsen | what is sid? |
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| 11:11.19 | olsen | sid == unstable? |
| 11:11.21 | jduggan | unstable |
| 11:11.22 | jduggan | yes |
| 11:11.24 | olsen | oh |
| 11:11.26 | olsen | cool |
| 11:11.33 | janttsu | :D |
| 11:11.35 | olsen | debian rocks |
| 11:11.37 | olsen | ;p |
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| 11:12.05 | olsen | can you go from stable to unstable? |
| 11:12.12 | olsen | without reinstalling the whole system? |
| 11:12.22 | karmatronic | olsen: yeah |
| 11:12.28 | olsen | wow nice |
| 11:12.35 | janttsu | olsen: just replace sarge with unstable in sources.list and run apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:12.40 | comsa | just get 8 beers in ya thats unstable |
| 11:12.47 | olsen | nice |
| 11:12.51 | olsen | :) |
| 11:13.17 | olsen | i'm going for some coffee, thanks for everyone! :) |
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| 11:13.39 | olsen | thanks karmatronic and janttsu |
| 11:13.47 | elefth | I have problems with python 2.4: dpkg: error processing python2.4-minimal (--configure): |
| 11:14.52 | karmatronic | olsen: welcome |
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| 11:15.51 | karmatronic | elefth: run pat-get update and try again |
| 11:15.57 | karmatronic | apt-get update + |
| 11:16.33 | elefth | karmatronic, I tried 100 times |
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| 11:17.00 | vydd | what do I do if apt reports me unmet dependencies, and advises me to do apt-get -f install (which doesn't help)? |
| 11:17.37 | sep | vydd, paste the output of apt-get -f install into the paster |
| 11:17.39 | sep | !paster |
| 11:17.40 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 11:17.46 | sep | is a good start, ;) |
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| 11:18.23 | karmatronic | elefth: maybe edit lines 112 and 113 of /usr/share/python/pyversions.py |
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| 11:18.30 | karmatronic | elefth: comment them |
| 11:18.49 | vydd | hm....except that my X is not working....but ok... :) |
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| 11:21.30 | elefth | karmatronic, I'll try that |
| 11:22.22 | elefth | karmatronic, why should I do that though? I shouldn't have to hack this file for apt to work properly |
| 11:23.17 | olsen | i heard debian had problems with mplayer for legal reasons some time ago, what was that? |
| 11:23.26 | olsen | and debian didnt distribute mplayer |
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| 11:23.58 | karmatronic | elefth: some bug |
| 11:24.02 | comsa | give me more |
| 11:24.15 | karmatronic | elefth: maybe i m wrong but , it s a good try |
| 11:24.22 | vydd | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5271 |
| 11:24.29 | elefth | karmatronic, I don't want to go hacky solutions |
| 11:24.36 | elefth | karmatronic, but thank you :-) |
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| 11:25.06 | karmatronic | elefth: try i have the feeling it s gonna work |
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| 11:25.57 | compDo | My server has 8GB RAM (indicated by BIOS). Due to some software problems, I had to install a 32bit Etch (and not the 64bit version). When I type "free" I don't get the expected 4GB available RAM but just 885MB. What's wrong? |
| 11:26.02 | elefth | karmatronic, but even if it does, I don't want to do it because (1) I don't know what it does (2) I am pretty sure that users shouldn't have to hack python files for apt to work properly with the dependencies/config of Python |
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| 11:27.25 | vydd | hm...apt works now....strange..... |
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| 11:28.07 | Thms | phallus |
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| 11:28.43 | karmatronic | elefth: if it s a bug , any fix can be considered a hack |
| 11:29.59 | karmatronic | elefth: until bug is fixed in some released version , you can only hac k |
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| 11:30.33 | elefth | karmatronic, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5272 |
| 11:31.47 | indraveni | hark, I am not finding any solutions in google also for debian |
| 11:31.54 | karmatronic | elefth: i would say you also have python2.5 |
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| 11:33.30 | elefth | karmatronic, yes I installed python 2.5 too |
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| 11:34.31 | ebbs | Hi. I just installed my agere et131x driver on my debian/etch with 2.6.19.2. The same driver already worked with debian/sarge (2.6.18.3). Ifconfig doesnt care, if et131x module is loaded or not: I can do ifup eth0 without error, when module is unloaded. After typing ifup eth0, ifconfig show. eth0 Protocol:UNSPEC and Hardware Address: (very long address, too long for a Man Address). Ive got no connection over my ethernet device |
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| 11:34.44 | ebbs | pinging another PC doesnt work |
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| 11:34.56 | karmatronic | elefth: do you need both ? |
| 11:35.10 | ebbs | *Mac Address |
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| 11:35.34 | ebbs | What can I do to reget my ethernet connection? |
| 11:35.38 | elefth | karmatronic, I just purged python 2.5 and python 2.3 |
| 11:35.45 | elefth | karmatronic, still getting the same errors |
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| 11:37.51 | ebbs | enouf, hi any ideas ... |
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| 11:45.19 | stoned | how do I enble direct rendering for ati fglrx x1900xt video acrd |
| 11:45.21 | stoned | card* |
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| 11:48.58 | karmatronic | elefth: tried my fix ? |
| 11:49.24 | jgw2001 | Any decent system tools for debian as yast is for suse |
| 11:50.04 | liable | stoned: i had to do some linkage fuckering, but i am using xgl, so i dunno whether it was cause of that, but see the rage3d wiki |
| 11:50.18 | stoned | liable: nvidia? |
| 11:50.22 | liable | ati |
| 11:50.25 | stoned | liable: im having a hell of a time with ati |
| 11:50.28 | stoned | I have an x1900xt |
| 11:50.34 | stoned | i cant' shit to run |
| 11:50.35 | stoned | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 11:50.35 | stoned | direct rendering: No |
| 11:50.36 | stoned | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
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| 11:50.37 | liable | i got a x1600 i think |
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| 11:50.45 | stoned | so thats what I get |
| 11:50.54 | stoned | I installed fglrx per !fglrx |
| 11:51.01 | stoned | whats going on |
| 11:51.03 | liable | lemme see if i can see where i linked |
| 11:51.05 | jgw2001 | Use beryl, lot better than compiz |
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| 11:51.08 | elefth | karmatronic, no I haven't. I don't want to solve it like this. |
| 11:51.11 | stoned | that won't run either |
| 11:51.15 | elefth | karmatronic, but thank you :-) |
| 11:51.30 | liable | jgw2001: who said anything about compiz? |
| 11:51.54 | stoned | I got Xgl to run |
| 11:51.59 | stoned | but compiz/beryl fail on me |
| 11:52.04 | stoned | they also give this error |
| 11:52.18 | liable | beryl works here nicely, compiz worked also |
| 11:52.21 | jgw2001 | Sorry liable |
| 11:52.29 | stoned | liable: I have X1900xt card |
| 11:52.34 | stoned | what do you have? |
| 11:52.42 | jgw2001 | What card are you using |
| 11:52.59 | jgw2001 | ATI, dont go near...... |
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| 11:53.16 | liable | stoned: x1600 i think |
| 11:53.16 | vydd | how do I uninstall fglrx driver? |
| 11:53.28 | stoned | ok so its the same series I think x 1k |
| 11:53.42 | stoned | using fglrx too liable ? |
| 11:53.59 | stoned | does it require tweaking or !fglrx works just like tht |
| 11:53.59 | liable | vydd: read the docs in /usr/share/fglrx it tells you how |
| 11:54.03 | liable | stoned: yes |
| 11:54.09 | jgw2001 | Had a ATI card and after debians intergration of xgl with xorg, the whole system was no longer stable, same with fglrx drivers |
| 11:54.23 | jgw2001 | moved to nvidia and will never look back |
| 11:54.24 | vydd | thanks liable....gonna read those now |
| 11:54.25 | stoned | liable: so what do I do now? |
| 11:54.26 | liable | stoned: i had problems with the debian packages, so use the ati installer |
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| 11:54.30 | liable | stoned: sec |
| 11:54.32 | stoned | liable: ahh |
| 11:54.37 | stoned | liable: someoen else told me that too |
| 11:55.33 | vydd | liable, I don't have /usr/share/fglrx :S |
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| 11:57.08 | liable | vydd: erm, /usr/share/doc |
| 11:57.08 | vydd | oh, ok ;) |
| 11:57.08 | indraveni | hark, any solution for realplayer installation? |
| 11:57.30 | enouf | ebbs: as root update-pciids to start |
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| 11:59.29 | liable | stoned: its libGL.so but i cant seem to find where i linked it, it links back to the fglrx version though. gimme five |
| 11:59.52 | stoned | sure |
| 12:00.35 | enouf | aomrhing like --> emul/ia32-linux/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 libs/ia32-libs |
| 12:00.43 | enouf | something* |
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| 12:01.23 | stoned | should I install the ati drivers from thier site? |
| 12:01.36 | stoned | or keep the ones I compiled here in debian |
| 12:01.46 | liable | dunno |
| 12:02.03 | stoned | if im in X i can't rmmod the fglrx can I? |
| 12:02.12 | stoned | If i do -w I have to wait until itsnot in use |
| 12:02.14 | stoned | hmm |
| 12:02.15 | liable | nope |
| 12:02.18 | stoned | what do i do |
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| 12:02.41 | stoned | well irssi runs in laptop |
| 12:02.47 | stoned | i'll ssh back from console |
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| 12:07.56 | enouf | hrm .. emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libGL.so.1 libs/ia32-libs,x11/nvidia-glx-ia32 [non-free] |
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| 12:09.32 | liable | stoned: dude, i am freeloading off of a really shitty wireless connection, that seems to be having major issues at one of the telcos routers, go to the rage3d forums, and find where the wiki is, and check for the debian bit |
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| 12:10.17 | stoned | liable: well I installed the official drivers |
| 12:10.20 | stoned | back in Xnow |
| 12:10.32 | liable | hrm, actually, its the dri module |
| 12:10.41 | stoned | should I load or unlaod it |
| 12:10.45 | liable | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so |
| 12:11.05 | liable | thats from a page i wrote back quite a while ago |
| 12:11.22 | stoned | ok |
| 12:11.28 | stoned | so I just what ln it |
| 12:11.31 | liable | wait a sec |
| 12:12.26 | liable | hrm, i still have that link |
| 12:12.45 | liable | though it shouldnt really be in X11R6 any more |
| 12:12.55 | stoned | i was gonna fix it anyway |
| 12:13.40 | stoned | umm |
| 12:13.41 | stoned | dude |
| 12:13.46 | indraveni | hark, debian mulitmedia site is having some problem, not able to do apt-get update, after conencting to that site |
| 12:13.52 | stoned | I don't have this lib anywhere |
| 12:14.39 | liable | stoned: in X11R6? |
| 12:14.54 | stoned | anywhere |
| 12:15.06 | stoned | wait |
| 12:15.14 | stoned | do i need to install the fglrx packages? |
| 12:15.22 | stoned | i installed the drier from ati |
| 12:15.54 | liable | i only use the ati one, it should be there with the debian ones, it just might be in another spot |
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| 12:16.13 | stoned | no I installed the ati drivers from ati's website |
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| 12:16.19 | stoned | i removed all debian ati drivers |
| 12:16.23 | liable | its been so long since i have broken it, i cant remember what the hell i had to do to get it working :) |
| 12:16.33 | stoned | i know it happens to me too |
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| 12:17.27 | liable | do you have /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so? |
| 12:17.39 | stoned | nope |
| 12:17.44 | Knight_Lord | Does anyone know anything about a memory leak in xmms when playing radio stations? |
| 12:17.58 | stoned | oh |
| 12:17.58 | stoned | nm |
| 12:17.59 | stoned | I do |
| 12:18.05 | zophyx | sounds very likely |
| 12:18.07 | liable | !funny |
| 12:18.07 | dpkg | from memory, funny is Bug report #41459; xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty. http://members.lycos.co.uk/ukrock/individual_pages/various/argentina-1.jpg |
| 12:18.09 | vlt | jm|work: I pasted tcpdump of the 105 seconds taking nfs mount: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5274 |
| 12:18.10 | comsa | i have that |
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| 12:18.28 | liable | Knight_Lord: see what dpkg just said :) |
| 12:18.34 | stoned | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2007-02-05 06:07 fglrx_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so |
| 12:18.40 | stoned | liable: already present |
| 12:18.42 | Knight_Lord | liable thanks, just to check if it was me |
| 12:18.52 | Knight_Lord | liable is there a fix? |
| 12:18.54 | liable | Knight_Lord: it wont be helpfull. |
| 12:19.04 | liable | Knight_Lord: just a funny old bug really :) |
| 12:19.10 | stoned | direct rendering: No |
| 12:19.11 | enouf | stoned: seen http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html yet? linked to from wiki.debian.org |
| 12:19.13 | jm|work | vlt: is it still taking ages to connect? |
| 12:19.15 | Knight_Lord | ok :-) |
| 12:19.16 | stoned | still getting this with that |
| 12:19.21 | Knight_Lord | liable anything about a recent bug? |
| 12:19.27 | jm|work | oh yeah 1m45 |
| 12:19.30 | vlt | jm|work: always the same 105-106 seconds. |
| 12:19.40 | vlt | jm|work: from different machines. |
| 12:19.53 | jm|work | vlt: 1.1 is the nfs server? |
| 12:20.08 | liable | stoned: link it to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so |
| 12:20.11 | vlt | jm|work: Yes. |
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| 12:20.18 | jm|work | vlt: can .1.1 do dns lookups? |
| 12:20.20 | liable | Knight_Lord: not that i know of. soory |
| 12:20.23 | stoned | its already linked |
| 12:20.44 | liable | stoned: by you or the package? |
| 12:20.52 | vlt | jm|work: Yes. No problems for other LAn clients. |
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| 12:21.10 | stoned | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so |
| 12:21.17 | stoned | I didn't link it |
| 12:21.19 | stoned | its already there |
| 12:21.35 | stoned | I still get no dri with glxinfo |
| 12:21.37 | jm|work | "Yes. No problems for other LAn clients." << what does that mean? |
| 12:21.52 | liable | stoned: do you have xgl running? |
| 12:21.59 | enouf | should've bought an nvidia .. instead of listening to windopes forums |
| 12:22.02 | stoned | not atm |
| 12:22.08 | liable | stoned: you wont get direct rendering when xgl is running |
| 12:22.11 | stoned | I removed everything |
| 12:22.17 | stoned | I'm on xorg |
| 12:22.24 | vlt | jm|work: The server itself and any other lan client using it as DNS get answers instantly. |
| 12:22.24 | stoned | dri module is loaded |
| 12:22.25 | comsa | ati |
| 12:22.34 | stoned | aiglx is not loaded |
| 12:22.40 | jm|work | vlt: so .1.1 is DNS server too? |
| 12:22.46 | vlt | jm|work: Yes. |
| 12:22.48 | stoned | i dont' even know what that does or is |
| 12:22.52 | jm|work | vlt: does .246 have .1.1 in resolv.conf ? |
| 12:22.56 | vydd | can anyone help me with http://channels.debian.net/paste/5275 |
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| 12:22.59 | vlt | jm|work: No. |
| 12:23.02 | vydd | (xorg problem) |
| 12:23.05 | jm|work | vlt: try it? |
| 12:23.32 | stoned | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 12:23.35 | stoned | what does this mean |
| 12:23.37 | liable | stoned: the only other thing i have is when the mesa libs get upgraded, it overwrites a symlink somewhere, but you shouldnt be having that problem now |
| 12:23.39 | stoned | I'm using xorg |
| 12:24.13 | stoned | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/atiogl_a_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/atiogl_a_dri.so |
| 12:24.18 | stoned | this? |
| 12:24.19 | liable | stoned: you can disable aiglx, it wont work with your drivers anyway |
| 12:24.38 | stoned | liable: its not loaded |
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| 12:24.45 | stoned | liable: why do ati drivers suck |
| 12:24.50 | stoned | nm that |
| 12:24.57 | stoned | rhetorical question |
| 12:25.00 | liable | stoned: google mate, it took me a while to get it all working, and it seems i have forgotten most of it, so i'll leave you to it. :) |
| 12:25.04 | Knight_Lord | liable there seems to be a bug report from 2000, and no fix |
| 12:25.05 | comsa | yes |
| 12:25.09 | stoned | I been googling all night man |
| 12:25.13 | stoned | literally |
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| 12:25.25 | jm|work | "you get what you pay for" |
| 12:25.32 | vlt | jm|work: .246 can now resolve names, but no different behavior. |
| 12:25.41 | stoned | I paid for x1900xt |
| 12:25.45 | jm|work | vlt: odd |
| 12:25.46 | stoned | 250$ video card |
| 12:25.51 | stoned | its not like I bought crap |
| 12:25.52 | stoned | well |
| 12:25.53 | jm|work | vlt: have you considered sshfs; I use it instead of nfs now |
| 12:25.58 | stoned | its ati so maybe it is crap |
| 12:26.02 | stoned | its my first ati card |
| 12:26.16 | stoned | I just wanted to see what the other side of the video card spectrum was like |
| 12:26.23 | liable | stoned: go find that wiki from the rage3d forums |
| 12:26.24 | stoned | I've always had nvidia and they've been great |
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| 12:26.44 | vydd | can anyone help me with this xorg radeon problem http://channels.debian.net/paste/5275 |
| 12:26.44 | jm|work | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] |
| 12:26.46 | jm|work | pity me |
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| 12:29.29 | stoned | get |
| 12:29.31 | stoned | er.. |
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| 12:29.45 | stoned | hey can I use the oss ati drivers with this x1900xt |
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| 12:29.59 | stoned | I don't need 3d support |
| 12:30.07 | stoned | just some basic compiz stuff |
| 12:30.10 | stoned | just wanna check it out |
| 12:30.45 | stoned | iceweasel has problems! |
| 12:30.57 | jm|work | ... |
| 12:30.59 | stoned | the backforward buttons are disabled no matter where I am in history |
| 12:31.04 | stoned | I wonder if this is a bug |
| 12:31.08 | stoned | happens all the time |
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| 12:31.35 | vlt | jm|work: I have one machine that can do the mount in 0.2 seconds. Don't know what's differnt there. |
| 12:31.44 | vlt | jm|work: haven't tried sshfs before. |
| 12:31.55 | jm|work | vlt: do you use packet filters? |
| 12:31.55 | comsa | sht |
| 12:32.06 | jm|work | vlt: state through firewalls can also cause issues |
| 12:32.32 | vlt | jm|work: Shields are down atm in LAN |
| 12:32.32 | jm|work | vlt: is .246 in the same 'domain' as the others? |
| 12:32.50 | vlt | jm|work: Where to check that? |
| 12:33.05 | jm|work | vlt: sshfs uses ssh (dur) so you get more granular support over who and what connects to what - plus you can use proper uids yay |
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| 12:33.10 | jm|work | vlt: hostname |
| 12:33.30 | stoned | liable: I don't think I even have 3d support |
| 12:33.38 | stoned | glxgears is running at like 3 fps |
| 12:33.43 | jm|work | vlt: also diff /etc/resolv.conf on .246 and /etc/resolv.conf .working_box |
| 12:33.45 | stoned | I'm using the fglrx driver |
| 12:33.46 | stoned | heh |
| 12:33.50 | craigevil | stoned there is a post about x1900xt> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=402003&page=16 but its for Slack |
| 12:34.04 | schultzconsult | is there a tool to monitor the healt of a ext3 filesystem? |
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| 12:34.22 | jm|work | "Large delays (more that 10 seconds) are typically caused a problem with name resolution:" |
| 12:34.28 | jm|work | vlt: http://www.openssh.org/faq.html#3.3 |
| 12:34.30 | liable | stoned: dunno, the same drivers are working here, keep trying bloke, you'll get it. |
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| 12:34.49 | schultzconsult | something like apticron |
| 12:34.51 | vlt | jm|work: No difference between the two resov.conf files. |
| 12:35.04 | liable | laters |
| 12:35.11 | vlt | jm|work: Running `hostname` as command on both machines returns their hostname ... |
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| 12:44.03 | stoned | awe |
| 12:44.04 | stoned | he left |
| 12:44.10 | stoned | I smoked half ajoint |
| 12:44.13 | stoned | it was nice |
| 12:44.20 | stoned | $>glxinfo|grep direct |
| 12:44.20 | stoned | direct rendering: Yes |
| 12:44.24 | stoned | !! |
| 12:44.24 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 12:44.25 | stoned | I got it working |
| 12:44.44 | stoned | hah, let me get high and I'll take over the world I swear its awesome |
| 12:45.50 | AussieHatter | stoned: how old are you ? |
| 12:46.11 | stoned | 14 |
| 12:46.14 | stoned | why? |
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| 12:46.28 | AussieHatter | just remembering when i first got stoned |
| 12:46.43 | vlt | jm|work: Tried sshfs but don't know how to keep uids there ... |
| 12:46.49 | stoned | im kiddin |
| 12:46.51 | stoned | I'm 25 |
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| 12:52.10 | jm|work | vlt: hmm? |
| 12:52.28 | olsen | what version of gcc does etch uses? |
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| 12:53.15 | jm|work | vlt: -o idmap=TYPE user/group ID mapping, possible types are: none no translation of the ID space (default) user only translate UID of connecting user |
| 12:53.22 | jm|work | vlt: you really should start to read man files ;) |
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| 12:56.19 | craigevil | olsen: gcc in etch and sid right now is 4:4.1.1-15 |
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| 12:58.19 | vlt | jm|work: I have read it. But I don't see how I could mount a sshfs so that all users on the client can access it (as themselves). Maybe it's monday here, too ;-) |
| 12:58.37 | olsen | craigevil: that means 4.4? |
| 12:58.47 | olsen | or 4.1? |
| 12:58.57 | jm|work | vlt: on the server side make sure they're all in the same group and make sure perms are set properly |
| 12:59.00 | jm|work | meh |
| 12:59.01 | trym|work | anyone seen backports of apache 2.2 ? |
| 12:59.19 | craigevil | got me all I know is what it says Installed: 4:4.1.1-15 |
| 12:59.24 | streuner | trym|work: /msg dpkg backport |
| 12:59.30 | stoned | 9398 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1879.600 FPS |
| 12:59.38 | stoned | fgl_glxgears |
| 12:59.59 | stoned | xv video output in mplayer doesn't work, only X11 works |
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| 13:00.49 | trym|work | streuner: backports.org doesnt have a search engine? |
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| 13:01.30 | craigevil | gcc-4.1 is different from gcc, gcc-4.1 is Installed: gcc-4.1.1-21 |
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| 13:02.34 | bowman | heya. I need to search a working copy for files with a certain extension, then add their sizes - can someone give me a hint on how to do this? I tried piping find's output to some other tool, which hasn't worked out so far. |
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| 13:05.33 | streuner | trym|work: apt-get.org does |
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| 13:07.11 | trym|work | doesnt seem to be anywhere |
| 13:07.15 | trym|work | screw it.. ill go with lighttpd |
| 13:07.55 | streuner | !info apache2 testing |
| 13:07.56 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-3.2 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 13:08.25 | vydd | why does ati driver installer report that it cannot recognize X version? (I upgraded to etch) |
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| 13:13.13 | vlt | jm|work: I don't get it working. No matter if I use "idmap=user" or "idmap=none" I can't access the mounted files as a user (beeing in the same group, yes numeric, as the files). What am I doing wrong here? |
| 13:13.44 | jm|work | vlt: not sure. I'm new to sshfs, myself :) |
| 13:13.49 | jm|work | "works for me" isn't going to help you here. |
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| 13:14.40 | vlt | jm|work: maybe I should stay with nfs now and find out why it takes that long to mount ... |
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| 13:14.56 | jm|work | yeah |
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| 13:16.47 | vlt | jm|work: That was my thought, too, when switching from samba to nfs ... |
| 13:17.09 | jm|work | iSCSI + Radius |
| 13:17.10 | jm|work | j/k |
| 13:18.07 | AussieHatter | on this subject of filesystems, I had a thought yesterday, why would we care about r/w to ntfs when we can mount a smb share ? |
| 13:18.09 | vydd | anyone........why does ati driver installer report that it cannot recognize X version? (I upgraded to etch) |
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| 13:18.36 | AussieHatter | off topic a little. just wanted to talk about it with someone. |
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| 13:18.55 | siikah | AussieHatter, probably due to ppl which uses multiple operatingsystems |
| 13:19.18 | siikah | if I was running windows I REALLY wouldn't want to use fat32 :) |
| 13:19.19 | vlt | AussieHatter: Because we need something that serves the smb??? |
| 13:19.48 | AussieHatter | but a windows share does |
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| 13:20.02 | AussieHatter | oh, right, windows needs to be running |
| 13:20.07 | siikah | :> |
| 13:20.24 | loca|host | hi all, i'm facing a strange problem, i've lost my grub after windows install, so booted on a Kubuntu LiveCD, and in the way of restoring my grub, i've mounted my /dev/sda3 (SATA disk) wich is my old / mount point, i get it mounted but when i list the mounted folder, all folders are marked like this : ?---------- ? ? ? ? ? mymountpoint/root |
| 13:20.26 | AussieHatter | good point, though I wouldn't want to mount ntfs unless I am trying to get data from a windows box |
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| 13:20.56 | vlt | jm|work: BTW, I really like the output of `df /mnt/sshfs` ;-) |
| 13:21.08 | jm|work | 7TB? |
| 13:21.12 | jm|work | or something |
| 13:21.25 | vlt | jm|work: 954 G |
| 13:21.37 | SlayerXP | loca|host: and the reason you're asking about ubuntu in #debian is.... ? |
| 13:21.39 | jm|work | whoa |
| 13:21.44 | jm|work | mine says 7TB :) |
| 13:22.10 | vlt | jm|work: available: 0 |
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| 13:22.27 | siikah | loca|host, sounds like wrong charset. man mount and search for iocharset or something like that. |
| 13:22.35 | loca|host | SlayerXP, who told you that it was a Ubuntu problem ? |
| 13:22.42 | jm|work | available 0? 954G of pron :O |
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| 13:22.55 | loca|host | siikah, k |
| 13:24.11 | siikah | you could try convmv (convert filenames between different charsets) and see which one is working if you don't know which one the partition uses. |
| 13:24.16 | vlt | jm|work: sshfs#dm@192.168.1.1:/ln/share 999999999 0 999999999 0% /mnt/sshfs |
| 13:24.19 | siikah | if convmv is avalible there.. ah |
| 13:24.48 | vlt | jm|work: Aaaah, "pron" ... got it ... |
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| 13:26.31 | MatBoy | cydork, do you still love me ? |
| 13:28.51 | vydd | can I turn etch back to sarge? |
| 13:29.26 | Ronin | vydd: not really, best way is to back up and resinstall |
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| 13:30.03 | vydd | :( I think that I hate etch (or my ignorance really) |
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| 13:30.31 | Ronin | vydd: why? etch is pretty stable by this point |
| 13:31.48 | vydd | well...my X is not working....and I can't get it to run......ati driver can't recognize my X version....maybe you could help me? I have errors pasted somewhere.... |
| 13:32.38 | vydd | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5275 |
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| 13:33.27 | andriijas | how do i check memusage? with top or something? |
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| 13:35.00 | sep | andriijas, the command free |
| 13:35.07 | Ronin | vydd: youve tried reconfiguring x? |
| 13:35.14 | Ronin | !tell vydd about drxxx |
| 13:35.24 | sep | available mem is the sub of whats in the columns free+buffers+cache |
| 13:35.25 | siikah | vydd, isn't that the mouse which messes with you? |
| 13:35.30 | sep | sum |
| 13:35.46 | vydd | siikah, hm....is it? |
| 13:36.02 | vydd | Ronin, I tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:36.19 | siikah | looks like it.. no (ee) tags on (almost) all ati stuff |
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| 13:36.43 | Ronin | heh nice catch siikah |
| 13:36.43 | siikah | No core pointer |
| 13:36.43 | siikah | Fatal server error: |
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| 13:36.50 | siikah | :> |
| 13:37.12 | vydd | hm....hm....so, what do I do? |
| 13:37.12 | HeXiLed | any idea when Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 will be out ? |
| 13:37.31 | Ronin | HeXiLed: when its ready :) |
| 13:37.35 | SlayerXP | HeXiLed: before march 18th, 2017 |
| 13:37.35 | vydd | (cause, I thought that my mouse settings are correct) |
| 13:37.37 | sep | vydd, load your mouse drivers ? modprobe mousedev and modprobe psmouse (or usbmouse) |
| 13:38.07 | andriijas | sep: yeah nice but i would like to see how much each running proccess eats, isnt that possible with top? |
| 13:38.24 | vydd | sep, gonna try that...thanks (got discouraged because noone was here to help earlier....thanks guys) |
| 13:38.25 | sep | andriijas, yes and no |
| 13:38.50 | andriijas | hum oke |
| 13:38.55 | sep | andriijas, it's simply a very complex question. top will show you the memory used by each process. |
| 13:39.07 | andriijas | okey |
| 13:39.09 | sep | andriijas, but it will not take into account shared memory and libraries. |
| 13:39.13 | siikah | vydd, try commening out everything about the mouse and see if X launches |
| 13:39.21 | andriijas | sep: aha. |
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| 13:39.31 | HeXiLed | ahhh the debian embassadors haven spoken ... |
| 13:39.47 | sep | andriijas, so if you have 10 pc's using almost the same shared memories you can easily see that top displayes a memory usage far more then what's availabe on your system |
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| 13:40.10 | sep | s/pc's/processes |
| 13:40.14 | vydd | siikah, ok |
| 13:40.18 | Ronin | HeXiLed: no one really knows so thats as close as we can get |
| 13:40.19 | andriijas | sep: hehe. im on a vps, and it seems like im using all my memory :o |
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| 13:41.28 | tony- | JEWS DID WTC LOL JEWS |
| 13:41.32 | sep | andriijas, http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html |
| 13:41.42 | andriijas | sep: thanks |
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| 13:42.01 | Ronin | !ops tony- is spamming racist garbage |
| 13:42.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ronin complains about: tony- is spamming racist garbage |
| 13:42.20 | tony- | !ops ronin stfu kthnx |
| 13:42.20 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: tony- complains about: ronin stfu kthnx |
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| 13:43.47 | Ronin | too early in the day/week for that :) |
| 13:43.55 | siikah | no kidding :) |
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| 13:44.53 | vlt | Hello. While an nfs client reads/writes with approx. 10 Mbit/s from/to my server its load goes up to 3.x, does any one know why? vmstat log: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5276 |
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| 13:46.31 | siikah | vlt, I assume that it doesn't utilize as much cpu when using 10Mbps at any app ? |
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| 13:47.56 | vlt | siikah: No, cpu is low (0-10% most of the time). |
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| 13:50.45 | Azar | wow already there? DPL election ... let's seeeee |
| 13:51.27 | Azar | Ronin!!! yesss |
| 13:51.29 | jelly | abrotman for the prez! |
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| 13:52.12 | Azar | man is hard to vote one of so many great people here |
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| 13:52.59 | karmatronic | he he |
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| 13:54.09 | WorkRoey | jelly: :) |
| 13:54.10 | WorkRoey | hi all |
| 13:54.24 | WorkRoey | Azar: is DPL just for this channel? (what's DPL?) |
| 13:54.29 | WorkRoey | Debian President for Life? |
| 13:54.52 | Azar | yep that coins it well |
| 13:54.56 | xand | !dpl |
| 13:54.57 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 13:55.18 | WorkRoey | Ronin: that was hilarious what happened with tony- |
| 13:55.22 | WorkRoey | brottman: hi |
| 13:55.36 | WorkRoey | ahhh |
| 13:55.40 | WorkRoey | xand: thanks |
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| 13:56.09 | WorkRoey | Azar: would Alex do it? |
| 13:56.09 | Azar | I have no idea who will come out as a winner but I have a feeling Anthony will not be the one.. |
| 13:56.17 | WorkRoey | or Anthony |
| 13:56.23 | WorkRoey | (abrotman stands for one of those two at least :) |
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| 13:56.46 | WorkRoey | Azar: heh, the number of times I've annoyed him :) |
| 13:56.53 | Azar | :) well I sure hope one of the guys on this channel would get the title |
| 13:56.57 | karmatronic | but what does abrotman do as a job ? |
| 13:57.00 | cyberfr0g | private |
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| 13:57.34 | Azar | omg to come here and talk to the DPL in person!! what a honor! |
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| 13:58.23 | zophyx_ | is etch gonna be stable in 2007 ? |
| 13:58.33 | Azar | on the other hand...what if Anthony is right here under a nickname? wow... imagine |
| 13:58.34 | sep | zophyx_, very likely |
| 13:58.36 | xand | one would hope so |
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| 13:58.48 | vydd | siikah, Ronin, sep YAY! I got my X running (did the modprobes, didn't comment out inputdevice stuff - I reconfigured xserver-xorg with other input device...it's not working now (I mean, the mouse) but I'll try changing it to something which will work...thanks....) |
| 13:59.00 | WorkRoey | Azar: maybe brottman? |
| 13:59.00 | zophyx_ | yay |
| 13:59.07 | WorkRoey | zophyx_: hey :) |
| 13:59.09 | WorkRoey | whatup |
| 13:59.09 | sep | vydd, use /dev/input/mice as the moudedevice |
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| 13:59.26 | Azar | WorkRoey: yep one just never knows.. |
| 13:59.27 | zophyx_ | the sky is up |
| 13:59.34 | WorkRoey | sep: why doesn't my Wacom tablet connect to /dev/stylus0? why is it just one of /dev/mouseN ? |
| 13:59.34 | Azar | speaking of abrotman... |
| 13:59.40 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:59.43 | Azar | good morning honorable |
| 13:59.46 | WorkRoey | abrotman: HEYA |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:59.52 | vydd | sep, that's what I used before...but I'll give it an after-modprobe try |
| 13:59.55 | sep | vydd, to have to work after a reboot add the textllines mousedev and psmoue/usbmouse into the file /etc/modules |
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| 14:00.27 | sep | vydd, /dev/input/mice is created by the modprove mousedev |
| 14:00.34 | vydd | oh! |
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| 14:01.21 | sep | WorkRoey, i have no experience, but i'd assume it fed /dev/input/mice like the other pointy input device |
| 14:01.25 | WorkRoey | arafel: are you israeli |
| 14:01.28 | WorkRoey | or speak hebrew? |
| 14:01.41 | WorkRoey | sep: it should connect as /dev/input/stylus0 I think |
| 14:01.46 | vydd | ok, guys, my mouse is working...thank you very much for your help! |
| 14:02.05 | WorkRoey | sep: the problem with the way it is set up now is that I have no control over which device the stylus will be upon next reboot. |
| 14:02.09 | arafel | WorkRoey: no, sorry |
| 14:02.25 | karmatronic | WorkRoey: arafel is the cat in "the smurfs" |
| 14:02.40 | arafel | karmatronic: it is? didn't know that |
| 14:02.43 | abrotman | no .. that's azreal |
| 14:02.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I'm trying to compile 2.6.20. I remember from the last time I compiled a kernel that I needed to enter a memory split thing, to make full use of my 1GBs of RAM, but now I can't find it |
| 14:02.52 | karmatronic | right abrotman |
| 14:02.55 | karmatronic | you re good |
| 14:03.01 | karmatronic | azrael |
| 14:03.01 | abrotman | so they say ... |
| 14:03.11 | WorkRoey | arafel: arafel means fog in hebrew. |
| 14:03.27 | karmatronic | yeah and falafel means ... |
| 14:03.29 | arafel | WorkRoey: so I've been told, yeah. :) wasn't where I picked the name from though. anyway... |
| 14:03.37 | WorkRoey | heh =) |
| 14:03.40 | WorkRoey | cool nick anyway |
| 14:03.53 | WorkRoey | tzel is shadow for what it's worth. |
| 14:04.11 | WorkRoey | afela = darkness |
| 14:04.20 | vydd | one more thing....where do I put gnome-wm so that it starts with X? /etc/Xsession? |
| 14:04.32 | arafel | probably a silly question, but .. is there a reason why packages (specifically bzr) aren't migrating out of experimental? |
| 14:04.47 | WorkRoey | what's bzr do? |
| 14:05.02 | arafel | WorkRoey: distributed version control, along the lines of git, mercurial, darcs etc. |
| 14:05.42 | abrotman | arafel: they have AFAIK |
| 14:06.03 | arafel | abrotman: packages.qa.debian.org and "apt-cache policy" both show unstable as 0.11-1.1 |
| 14:06.16 | arafel | 0.14-1 was accepted into experimental almost a week ago, 0.13 sometime last year |
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| 14:06.19 | abrotman | well . that's not experimental |
| 14:06.45 | arafel | do I have the wrong end of the stick? :) |
| 14:06.50 | abrotman | no .. they don't |
| 14:06.59 | arafel | okay, that would explain it |
| 14:07.09 | abrotman | they can stay in there for years :) |
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| 14:07.57 | arafel | abrotman: so what's the usual procedure for things ending up in unstable then...? is it on the website somewhere? |
| 14:08.22 | sep | arafel, that the maintainer uploads it there. |
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| 14:08.33 | arafel | ah. these were NMUs, which would probably explain it. |
| 14:08.36 | arafel | thanks both |
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| 14:10.27 | sep | arafel, read abotu experimental here http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s4.6.4 |
| 14:10.47 | arafel | sep: will do, thanks for the help |
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| 14:12.48 | abrotman | arafel: when the maintainer puts it up there .. |
| 14:13.16 | HeXiLed | are there many bugs on etch ? how is the general stability ? |
| 14:14.31 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ .. or bugs.debian.org in general |
| 14:14.45 | abrotman | !maint bzr |
| 14:14.47 | dpkg | bzr: Rob Weir <rweir@ertius.org> |
| 14:14.57 | abrotman | uh .. yeah .. |
| 14:15.15 | abrotman | but there is more than one maintainer |
| 14:15.32 | schultzconsult | SlayerXP: It did not take to the evening... I like cp -pR... the only directories, which was broken was some tmp directories not any vitale stuff, so let the deamons recreate those directories... |
| 14:15.34 | arafel | that's true. I'll nudge them later. |
| 14:15.38 | abrotman | bzr might be in limbo because of etch's freeze |
| 14:15.45 | sep | HeXiLed, i use it for my desktop daily, both at work and home. there are several package upgrades daily |
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| 14:16.32 | tarzeau | HeXiLed: http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ has a curve too |
| 14:16.35 | abrotman | sep: that's only currently |
| 14:16.48 | HeXiLed | sep i installed deb for a healdless server just to run a a dew servers. lamp ftp ircd and a couple more things. do you think i will have issues with etch ? |
| 14:17.32 | sep | HeXiLed, unlikely, but since etch is not released yet it's hard to tell. |
| 14:17.43 | HeXiLed | i guess |
| 14:17.50 | sep | HeXiLed, if you pay attention to what gets upgraded and why you should be ok |
| 14:18.08 | sep | and when etch releases you are pretty much home safe i guess :) |
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| 14:18.34 | HeXiLed | to use etch all i need to do is to change stable main to etch main in sources list right ? |
| 14:18.38 | Tallu | Hey umm, I've connected my debian box to a sparc with a null modem cable, and I'd now like to actually talk to the sparc (it's supposed to drop the console to serial). But well, when I try to start minicom, it says that the device /dev/ttyS1 is locked. Any way around this? |
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| 14:18.47 | Tallu | I've never really used serial connections before. |
| 14:18.57 | abrotman | !tell HeXiLed about sarge->etch |
| 14:19.01 | sep | HeXiLed, if you use sarge now, you should wait until etch released |
| 14:19.12 | HeXiLed | yah . i am with sarge |
| 14:19.15 | tarzeau | Tallu: can you find out locked by who? what? |
| 14:19.16 | sep | HeXiLed, the release notes is the very minimum reading. |
| 14:19.23 | tarzeau | Tallu: is it not ttyS0 ? |
| 14:19.56 | tarzeau | Tallu: did you configure minicom? |
| 14:19.57 | HeXiLed | humm.. u think i should wait ? |
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| 14:20.21 | sep | HeXiLed, i would. |
| 14:20.27 | HeXiLed | humm.. |
| 14:20.35 | HeXiLed | anyone else? |
| 14:20.38 | sep | but im more concerned with stability then with features so.. |
| 14:20.45 | sep | your needs may be different |
| 14:20.56 | HeXiLed | not really |
| 14:21.18 | sep | i will probably wait a few months before upgrading my sarge servers to etch also. just be be safe. |
| 14:21.21 | Tallu | tarzeau: I think it's connected to S1, I've set minicom to do 8n1 earlier but well, now that the cable is plugged in it wont launch anymore |
| 14:21.32 | abrotman | HeXiLed: you can wait .. ideally etch will be released RSN |
| 14:21.36 | sep | a few months [after the release of etch] |
| 14:21.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:22.05 | tarzeau | Tallu: why do you think it's S1 ? |
| 14:22.08 | tarzeau | Tallu: is it com2? |
| 14:22.34 | WorkRoey | abrotman: sarge was released one year ago was it? |
| 14:22.40 | WorkRoey | or two? |
| 14:22.44 | abrotman | !sarge |
| 14:22.44 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 14:22.45 | tarzeau | Tallu: checked with dmesg|grep serial ? |
| 14:22.53 | WorkRoey | thanks |
| 14:23.02 | WorkRoey | !etch |
| 14:23.02 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:23.09 | WorkRoey | !slink |
| 14:23.09 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 14:23.11 | WorkRoey | oh |
| 14:23.13 | WorkRoey | oh wow. |
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| 14:23.23 | WorkRoey | !bo |
| 14:23.24 | dpkg | i guess bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 14:23.28 | WorkRoey | hee hee hee |
| 14:23.34 | WorkRoey | oh, the depravity of old software. |
| 14:24.09 | stoned | I am unable to run the Xgl as anything but root. Can this be fixed by setting the suid bit |
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| 14:24.57 | justin | stoned: no, it can be fixed by running it correctly |
| 14:25.00 | Tallu | tarzeau: syslog seems to be filled with useless packet information |
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| 14:25.24 | stoned | justin: er.. how |
| 14:25.43 | justin | stoned: plenty of guides online that tell you how to set it up |
| 14:26.04 | stoned | so you don't know |
| 14:26.20 | justin | stoned: think whatever you want, you're the one with the problem |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | !tell WorkRoey about release history |
| 14:26.49 | WorkRoey | !thank abrotman |
| 14:26.49 | dpkg | sure thing, WorkRoey |
| 14:27.09 | WorkRoey | if Debian was started in 93 |
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| 14:27.16 | WorkRoey | then what were its previous releases? |
| 14:27.26 | stoned | !history |
| 14:27.26 | dpkg | i heard history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 14:28.00 | stoned | justin: I can't find information on this particular problem anywher eonline |
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| 14:28.23 | stoned | I can run Xgl as root, but not as usere |
| 14:28.28 | justin | stoned: are you starting Xgl from inside of X? |
| 14:28.50 | stoned | no |
| 14:29.02 | justin | stoned: then you're not following instructions |
| 14:29.41 | cydork | xgl inside of X? |
| 14:29.42 | stoned | justin: can you find me a link with some info |
| 14:29.46 | WorkRoey | thanks stoned |
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| 14:30.08 | cydork | justin: you mean aiglx? |
| 14:30.09 | stoned | something that says I should launch Xgl while being inside of Xorg |
| 14:30.32 | justin | stoned: everything tells you to do that |
| 14:30.50 | stoned | so you won't find a link either? |
| 14:31.29 | justin | stoned: find it yourself google.com/search?q=xgl+howto |
| 14:31.48 | sebastianj | !etch |
| 14:31.48 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:31.48 | stoned | I've been searching for debian xgl setup etc. keywords |
| 14:31.59 | stoned | !xgl |
| 14:31.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
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| 14:33.22 | nes1 | hi, what package contains the gcc info documentation? |
| 14:33.35 | scv | gcc info? |
| 14:34.00 | ness | scv: well, that stuff that I'd expect to appear when I type "info gcc" |
| 14:34.04 | stoned | justin: I can't find what your'e saying anywhere |
| 14:34.15 | mindframe | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.30 | scv | iirc, gcc has a good online manual |
| 14:34.59 | ness | scv: sure, and exactly that is generated from the info sources. |
| 14:35.03 | cydork | nes1: it's gcc-version-doc i think. /msg dpkg search |
| 14:35.10 | scv | umm |
| 14:35.41 | scv | I think the online gcc documentation is more easy to read |
| 14:35.59 | stoned | bah. what a dick |
| 14:36.04 | ness | cydork: there's only gcc-2.95-doc, I was looking for something more up to date.. |
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| 14:36.22 | scv | and it's enough for daily compiling |
| 14:36.41 | scv | stoned, a dick? |
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| 14:37.21 | hark | ness: you need contrib/non-free |
| 14:37.34 | ness | hark: wth? |
| 14:37.47 | hark | !info gcc-doc etch |
| 14:37.49 | dpkg | gcc-doc: (documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++)), section contrib/doc, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1.nf3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 14:37.51 | cydork | ness: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 14:38.15 | ness | cydork: etch |
| 14:38.22 | hark | !info gcc-4.1-doc etch |
| 14:38.24 | dpkg | gcc-4.1-doc: (documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++)), section non-free/doc, is optional. Version: 4.1.1.nf3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1776 kB, Installed size: 4944 kB |
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| 14:38.52 | cydork | ness: then as hark said add non-free |
| 14:38.54 | scv | lol |
| 14:39.12 | scv | are you interesting in gcc? |
| 14:39.15 | HeXiLed | quick question. i installed irssi and the irssi-scripts package. but its not loading them by default. what am i missing here? |
| 14:39.38 | ness | argh, yes, I remember some of the gnu docs were declared non-free due to invariant sections |
| 14:40.14 | justin | HeXiLed: the fact that it doesn't load any of them by default |
| 14:40.16 | scv | ness, no clue |
| 14:40.21 | cydork | HeXiLed: the script or link to it is needed in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun |
| 14:40.29 | enouf | variable invariants? |
| 14:40.30 | HeXiLed | ah |
| 14:40.33 | HeXiLed | thanks |
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| 14:40.39 | justin | HeXiLed: /usr/share/doc/irssi-scripts/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:40.44 | hark | invariant variables! |
| 14:40.50 | ness | is there a way to specify in my sources.list "everything from contrib or unfree that is licensed as gfdl"? |
| 14:41.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I'm trying to compile 2.6.20. I remember from the last time I compiled a kernel that I needed to enter a memory split thing, to make full use of my 1GBs of RAM, but now I can't find it |
| 14:41.37 | scv | ness, do you know where is to buy the doc of gnu in cd/dvd or paper type? |
| 14:41.49 | hark | GBs? |
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| 14:42.18 | enouf | core2duo !=duo2core2soloduoduo2quad4duo2coresolo-o-mio |
| 14:42.24 | lilferry | hark: he obviously means GB. |
| 14:42.25 | scv | hahaha |
| 14:42.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: GB* |
| 14:42.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oops :) |
| 14:42.51 | bela | Hi, I want to install Video4Linux2 driver for SN9C1xx PC Camera, but /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/build, is not found, which package contains it |
| 14:42.56 | hark | config_highmem? |
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| 14:43.00 | scv | I an glad to recycle a core2 cpu somedays |
| 14:43.08 | scv | s/an/am |
| 14:43.09 | karmatronic | bela: linux-headres |
| 14:43.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | Might be, I'll look |
| 14:43.16 | karmatronic | bela: linux-headers |
| 14:43.27 | justin | bela: use module-assistant |
| 14:43.36 | scv | does core2 = p3+p4? |
| 14:43.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: It's not there... |
| 14:43.53 | justin | scv: no, it is two p1's... p1+p1=2 |
| 14:44.13 | scv | p3+p4+k7 I think |
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| 14:45.19 | bowman | l8r |
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| 14:46.36 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: what kernel? |
| 14:47.08 | stoffell | can anyone confirm snoopy leading to segfaults on amd64 etch ? (works perfect on i386) |
| 14:47.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: What do you mean? Version? |
| 14:47.16 | stoffell | don't find any bugreport on this |
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| 14:47.56 | hark | enouf: you mean *monitor lizards right? |
| 14:47.57 | Grub_Now | which package owns sshd_config ? |
| 14:48.12 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: 2.6.18 etc. |
| 14:48.13 | abrotman | deepends which version of debian |
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| 14:48.26 | hark | !tell Grub_Now about search |
| 14:48.27 | Grub_Now | abrotman: sarge |
| 14:48.27 | abrotman | Grub_Now: apt-file search sshd_config |
| 14:48.28 | karmatronic | openssh-server |
| 14:48.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: 2.6.20 |
| 14:48.34 | Grub_Now | doesnt show anything |
| 14:48.35 | Grub_Now | etch |
| 14:48.42 | enouf | hark: yes and no .. it's a play on words |
| 14:48.47 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: ask ##kernel |
| 14:48.53 | enouf | metaphorically speaking |
| 14:48.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | [14:41] <Dark_Apostrophe> Hello. I'm trying to compile 2.6.20. <--- As I said there |
| 14:48.58 | hark | enouf: ah, heh |
| 14:49.11 | Grub_Now | abrotman: what does it show to you? |
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| 14:49.36 | siikah | nice vydd :) |
| 14:49.40 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: #kernel if you can't find it |
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| 14:50.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | k... |
| 14:50.11 | vydd | couldn't do it without you guys :) |
| 14:50.20 | francois__ | Hi everyone. I have a problem compiling musescore-0.2 on debian etch. I installed qt4-designer and had qt3-designer installed too and when I type make, I get an error like File generated with too recent version of Qt Designer (4.0 vs. 3.3.7) anyone knows what to do? |
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| 14:50.53 | francois__ | I would like to point make to use the right version but don't know how |
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| 14:50.59 | francois__ | anyone? |
| 14:52.11 | karmatronic | francois__: maybe check the makefile |
| 14:52.46 | cydork | Grub_Now: postinst file creates it check /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssh-server.postinst |
| 14:53.54 | abrotman | Grub_Now: i'm telling you to do it |
| 14:54.08 | abrotman | Grub_Now: or check the postinst .. not all conf files are package files .. some are generated |
| 14:54.26 | karmatronic | is make oldconfig reliable from 2.6.17 to 2.6.20 ? |
| 14:54.42 | abrotman | it will ask you questions that haven't been answered |
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| 14:54.55 | karmatronic | cos i heard there were lot of changes from 2.6.17 to 2.6.18 |
| 14:55.17 | francois__ | karmatronic can I show you my makefile? |
| 14:55.27 | Grub_Now | cydork, abrotman thanks |
| 14:57.16 | karmatronic | francois__: pastebin it just in case |
| 14:57.38 | francois__ | ok |
| 14:57.42 | ma3x | can I play a video with mplayer and specify 700:576? how? |
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| 14:58.30 | bela | karmatronic: ther is neither kernel-headers-2.6.12, nor linux-kernel-headers-2.6.12?? very strange may in another name |
| 14:59.00 | karmatronic | bela: did you compile your kernel ? |
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| 15:00.10 | francois__ | here's my makefile :# Makefile.in generated by automake 1.9.4 from Makefile.am. |
| 15:00.10 | francois__ | # Makefile. Generated from Makefile.in by configure. |
| 15:00.10 | francois__ | # Copyright (C) 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, |
| 15:00.10 | francois__ | # 2003, 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 15:00.11 | francois__ | # This Makefile.in is free software; the Free Software Foundation |
| 15:00.11 | *** kick/#debian [francois__!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 15:00.26 | g333k_work | hello, I need to compile statically the "shutdown" program, can you help me to do that? |
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| 15:00.39 | francois__ | am__cd = CDPATH="$${ZSH_VERSION+.}$(PATH_SEPARATOR)" && cd |
| 15:00.41 | francois__ | INSTALL = /usr/bin/install -c |
| 15:00.43 | francois__ | install_sh_DATA = $(install_sh) -c -m 644 |
| 15:00.45 | francois__ | install_sh_PROGRAM = $(install_sh) -c |
| 15:00.47 | francois__ | install_sh_SCRIPT = $(install_sh) -c |
| 15:00.49 | francois__ | INSTALL_HEADER = $(INSTALL_DATA) |
| 15:00.51 | francois__ | transform = $(program_transform_name) |
| 15:00.51 | Tallu | please dont paste on the channel |
| 15:00.53 | francois__ | NORMAL_INSTALL = : |
| 15:00.55 | francois__ | PRE_INSTALL = : |
| 15:00.57 | francois__ | POST_INSTALL = : |
| 15:01.00 | siikah | holy ... |
| 15:01.01 | DemonJester | francois__: use the pastebin |
| 15:01.01 | francois__ | NORMAL_UNINSTALL = : |
| 15:01.03 | francois__ | PRE_UNINSTALL = : |
| 15:01.05 | francois__ | POST_UNINSTALL = : |
| 15:01.07 | francois__ | build_triplet = i686-pc-linux-gnu |
| 15:01.09 | francois__ | host_triplet = i686-pc-linux-gnu |
| 15:01.11 | francois__ | DIST_COMMON = README $(am__configure_deps) $(srcdir)/Doxyfile.in \ |
| 15:01.13 | francois__ | $(srcdir)/Makefile.am $(srcdir)/Makefile.in \ |
| 15:01.14 | Tallu | francois__: please part |
| 15:01.15 | francois__ | $(top_srcdir)/configure AUTHORS COPYING ChangeLog INSTALL NEWS \ |
| 15:01.17 | francois__ | TODO config.guess config.sub depcomp install-sh ltmain.sh \ |
| 15:01.18 | bela | I've just installed the system, but I looked for in the debian-site for the headers, there are a lot of headers(2.6.8, 2.6.14,2.6.16 ...) but not what I am looking for |
| 15:01.19 | francois__ | missing mkinstalldirs |
| 15:01.21 | francois__ | subdir = . |
| 15:01.23 | siikah | client probably continue |
| 15:01.23 | francois__ | ACLOCAL_M4 = $(top_srcdir)/aclocal.m4 |
| 15:01.25 | francois__ | am__aclocal_m4_deps = $(top_srcdir)/m4/aclocal-include.m4 \ |
| 15:01.27 | francois__ | $(top_srcdir)/m4/qt.m4 $(top_srcdir)/configure.ac |
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| 15:01.31 | francois__ | am__configure_deps = $(am__aclocal_m4_deps) $(CONFIGURE_DEPENDENCIES) \ |
| 15:01.33 | francois__ | $(ACLOCAL_M4) |
| 15:01.33 | Tallu | siikah: parting would take care of that. |
| 15:01.35 | francois__ | am__CONFIG_DISTCLEAN_FILES = config.status config.cache config.log \ |
| 15:01.37 | francois__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.38 | siikah | indeed :) |
| 15:01.38 | zamuro | 11:03 Ignoring ALL from francois__ <-- Friggin bastard |
| 15:01.39 | francois__ | mkinstalldirs = $(SHELL) $(top_srcdir)/mkinstalldirs |
| 15:01.40 | Eclipser | that's idiotic |
| 15:01.41 | francois__ | CONFIG_HEADER = $(top_builddir)/mscore/config.h |
| 15:01.42 | hark | bravo! |
| 15:01.43 | francois__ | CONFIG_CLEAN_FILES = Doxyfile |
| 15:01.45 | francois__ | SOURCES = |
| 15:01.47 | francois__ | DIST_SOURCES = |
| 15:01.49 | francois__ | RECURSI |
| 15:01.51 | francois__ | oups...shouldn't have done that |
| 15:01.53 | francois__ | I see...thanks |
| 15:01.55 | francois__ | don't know what is it |
| 15:01.57 | francois__ | sorry |
| 15:02.01 | francois__ | well thank you very much for the insults |
| 15:02.05 | francois__ | very helpfull |
| 15:02.08 | zamuro | Did anyone tell this asshole about pastebin? |
| 15:02.22 | DemonJester | francois__: just part and come back and use the pastebin |
| 15:02.52 | ft | uarg, he did this on purpose? |
| 15:02.53 | sgeigerbot | what happened to the bot that would have kicked him off? |
| 15:02.56 | francois__ | I don't think it will be necessary, I will just go somewhere where people are more polite and kind..very deceiving really |
| 15:03.00 | francois__ | au revoir |
| 15:03.05 | siikah | byebye |
| 15:03.05 | sussudio | %fist francois__ |
| 15:03.22 | bela | karmatronic: I've just installed the system, but I looked for in the debian-site for the headers, there are a lot of headers(2.6.8, 2.6.14,2.6.16 ...) but not what I am looking for |
| 15:03.23 | sgeigerbot | francois__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette |
| 15:03.26 | sgeigerbot | doh. |
| 15:03.30 | siikah | :> |
| 15:03.38 | zamuro | Did he stopped? |
| 15:03.49 | zamuro | I'd like to insult him without having to ignore him |
| 15:03.53 | stew | zamuro: there is no reason for namecalling |
| 15:03.54 | Fox | if he comes to #debian-fr I might not be polite |
| 15:04.08 | zamuro | stew: Oh... Sorry bout that LOL |
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| 15:04.17 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 15:04.23 | zamuro | Can I use euphemisms instead? |
| 15:04.24 | zamuro | xD |
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| 15:06.03 | sgeigerbot | bela: I typically compile my own kernel from kernel.org sources. I avoid that problem altogether. |
| 15:08.42 | vlt | Hello. is there a cmd line tool to convert quoted orintable (email) to plain text? |
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| 15:09.00 | vlt | s/orint/print/ |
| 15:09.43 | bela | I don't want to compile my kernel, I just want to install Video4Linux2 driver for SN9C1xx PC Camera, which asked for /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/build |
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| 15:12.33 | abrotman | vlt: what format is it in now ? |
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| 15:13.40 | debfanman | abrotman: prolly the s/^>>// kind |
| 15:13.49 | debfanman | abrotman: mornin |
| 15:13.52 | abrotman | well .. he didn't say .. can't assume |
| 15:13.56 | nvz | weird |
| 15:14.24 | debfanman | abrotman: sure ya can, then he can take that assumption and learn something by modifying it to his exact needs :) |
| 15:14.24 | sgeigerbot | vlt: what format is your mail in now? |
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| 15:15.02 | karmatronic | bela: linux-headers? |
| 15:16.03 | sgeigerbot | vlt: you can convert a mailbox to HTML format...and then convert that to text with lynx. |
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| 15:16.34 | abrotman | !tell sgeigerbot about away |
| 15:16.46 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: sorry, I'm away. |
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| 15:22.19 | debfanman | at least he's honest ;) |
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| 15:22.52 | raf256 | wht the fuck happened to debian |
| 15:22.54 | raf256 | k3b can not find mkisoft |
| 15:22.56 | raf256 | apt-cache search segfaults |
| 15:23.06 | raf256 | help |
| 15:23.12 | raf256 | apt-get segfaults |
| 15:23.14 | raf256 | how to fix |
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| 15:24.42 | jelly | raf256: which release are you running? |
| 15:24.48 | raf256 | jelly: testing |
| 15:24.52 | raf256 | I fixed it by apt-get update |
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| 15:25.00 | raf256 | but imho this is a critical bug isnt it |
| 15:25.03 | jelly | !customer |
| 15:25.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 15:25.06 | jelly | ;-) |
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| 15:25.17 | raf256 | yeah but I wanted to donate the bug reprot |
| 15:25.31 | debfanman | raf256: memtest? :) |
| 15:25.37 | raf256 | debfanman: no |
| 15:25.41 | infernix | raf256: funky repos in your sources.list? |
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| 15:25.52 | jelly | well, if you can reproduce it and provide a stack trace i'm sure they would be happy. |
| 15:25.54 | raf256 | infernix: no |
| 15:26.21 | jelly | infernix: no matter what junk one may have in config files apt should _not_ segfault |
| 15:26.26 | vlt | abrotman, sgeigerbot: I have now a plain email text still encoded as "quoted printable". There are a lot of "=3D" that should be "=" only, for ex. |
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| 15:26.44 | abrotman | sed could take pieces out |
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| 15:27.15 | vlt | abrotman: But only if I define each =XY encoding, right? |
| 15:27.20 | infernix | jelly: heh, well i was thinking of him having a brand new libc6 replacement from an ubuntu repo or something :) |
| 15:27.42 | jelly | raf256: I think I had that when some *.bin files in /var/{cache,lib}/apt/* were funny |
| 15:28.07 | raf256 | its the curse of retarded 1990 style linux |
| 15:28.09 | vlt | abrotman: What would "=BF=BF=BD" be then? |
| 15:28.42 | raf256 | 1990's style lame beepingm 1990's style segfaults... use some C++ or other real language god damnit :/ |
| 15:28.54 | jelly | raf256: dude, stop whining and provide a good bug report |
| 15:29.02 | raf256 | I did, it got ignored |
| 15:29.13 | jelly | raf256: for apt? |
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| 15:29.18 | Fox | it whas not good then |
| 15:29.18 | raf256 | for the kopere. upstream fixed the bug in... 1994 |
| 15:29.24 | raf256 | * kopete |
| 15:29.37 | raf256 | erm... I ment 2004 |
| 15:29.46 | raf256 | still its outrages |
| 15:29.46 | jelly | raf256: that's not what you reported now, and probably not the same maintainer. |
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| 15:30.52 | raf256 | jelly: yes. But in general some simple bugs like "upstream fix it 3 years ago, why is it still in debian?!" are ignored - no reply |
| 15:31.18 | raf256 | I even provided link to upstream bug tracer etc |
| 15:31.51 | jelly | raf256: I read that bug a while ago, and I think your style didn't really help either |
| 15:31.58 | abrotman | vlt: probably .. sounds like an HTML encoded mail showing as plain text |
| 15:32.09 | raf256 | jelly: the kopete bug? what was wrong with it |
| 15:32.09 | jelly | raf256: but yes, some bugs lay unfixed for years |
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| 15:33.05 | cydork | raf256: apt-get can segfault if the list file or stat file is corrupted. you can try to strace it. |
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| 15:33.58 | jelly | raf256: oh sorry, I was thinking of some other bug. Shame on ome. |
| 15:34.05 | raf256 | ok |
| 15:34.19 | raf256 | cydork: ok but not this time - Im in a hurry |
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| 15:34.46 | christopherl | How do I know if usb2.0 is enabled on my computer? I move files between my usbdisk and computer, it's very slow. |
| 15:35.22 | raf256 | btw, cydork can I PM you for a minute |
| 15:35.27 | petemc | christopherl: dmesg |
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| 15:38.18 | christopherl | petemc:It says nothing about usb2.0 |
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| 15:38.49 | innu | hey. How can i see if swap is enabled or how much is it used right now? |
| 15:38.54 | petemc | christopherl: does it mention high speed/low speed ? |
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| 15:40.13 | jelly | christopherl: I bet your filesystem is mounted with sync option |
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| 15:40.40 | jelly | christopherl: It's a bad default value |
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| 15:41.35 | jelly | innu: "free" command |
| 15:41.42 | christopherl | petemc: lowspeed |
| 15:42.31 | petemc | that would indicate usb1.1 i believe |
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| 15:44.20 | christopherl | petemc:How could I get usb2.0? |
| 15:44.49 | petemc | a pci usb card? |
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| 15:46.23 | cydork | raf256: sure |
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| 15:49.00 | ofer1 | I have processes running inside a chroot. I want to delete this chroot, how do I seperate the main machine processes from the chrooted procceses ? |
| 15:49.01 | ofer1 | inside the chroot, /proc is equivalent to the main machine's /proc. |
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| 15:50.36 | pickcoder | anyone know if there's a hylafax channel somewhere? #hylafax has 1 person in it here. I tried oftc.net already too. |
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| 15:54.35 | abrotman | pickcoder: doubtful .. the FAQ and old FAQ-O-MATIC are you best bet |
| 15:54.39 | abrotman | or the mailing list |
| 15:54.43 | abrotman | your best bet |
| 15:55.38 | raf256 | actually I think debian is now less stable then say windows 98 |
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| 15:55.59 | petemc | thats bunkum |
| 15:56.01 | raf256 | I have an application crashing each 1-2 days, and expressing bugs daily... is it just me |
| 15:56.05 | petemc | you say some stupid shit |
| 15:56.33 | Ronin | raf256: yes its just you |
| 15:56.36 | HymnToLife | raf256, it is just you :) |
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| 15:57.03 | raf256 | Ronin: HymnToLife others verified the crashing bugs I discovered |
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| 15:57.44 | petemc | raf256: how do you compare the stability of one application to the reliability of an operating system? |
| 15:57.55 | raf256 | petemc: I said "debian" not "linux" |
| 15:59.03 | petemc | raf256: right, what do you think debian is? |
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| 15:59.03 | Ronin | ok then how do you compare the stability to the reliabilty of a distro then |
| 15:59.03 | raf256 | set of apps like any linux distro |
| 15:59.03 | petemc | debian is an operating system |
| 15:59.30 | Tallu | wow. |
| 15:59.36 | raf256 | it might use more QA team members |
| 15:59.56 | petemc | it occurs to me that you have a well known history of making stupid, inflammatory statements, so its probably best to ignore you |
| 15:59.58 | Ronin | funny how its usually you raf256 having thiese problems |
| 16:00.04 | raf256 | perhaps I should start fixing the bugs myselfs since even poiting DD to solution is not enought |
| 16:00.06 | Ronin | petemc: indeed |
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| 16:00.41 | raf256 | Ronin: it takes talent to find corner bugs |
| 16:00.51 | carbon60 | I there a good source for hardware recommendations: I'm looking for a SATA PCI card. |
| 16:01.12 | Ronin | ya talents the word, |
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| 16:01.34 | pickcoder | abrotman: dealing with the mailing list right now.. |
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| 16:01.52 | raf256 | Ronin: others where able to confirm the bugs I discovered. Perhaps one day you will also learn to find such hidden bugs as the krusader FTP crash bug which it took over a year to find |
| 16:01.56 | ks | how do I get out of user mode os ? |
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| 16:02.37 | carbon60 | Can anyone suggest a 2 or 4 port SATA PCI card that is well supported? |
| 16:02.38 | ks | i tried to shutdown and reboot to get back to host os, but got stuck |
| 16:02.56 | raf256 | carbon60: I can't, but can I PM you for a minute |
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| 16:10.17 | DemonJester | what was with raf256 always wanting to PM people for a minute?? I smell TROLL |
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| 16:11.08 | abrotman | pickcoder: good luck .. support is really lacking .. but mine has been running for years without issue |
| 16:11.31 | abrotman | DemonJester: different 'T' word |
| 16:11.36 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:12.08 | zachhale | when i plug in an external hard drive i get this error: "hub.c: USB new device connect on bus2/1, assigned device number 4" "usb.c: USB device 4 (vend/prod bla/bla) is not claimed by any active driver." any ideas on how to get it to recognize my drive? |
| 16:12.21 | DemonJester | abrotman: hehe |
| 16:12.43 | abrotman | !tell zachhale about usb storage |
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| 16:12.46 | abrotman | !tell zachhale about vfatrw |
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| 16:13.20 | zachhale | abrotman: how do i load modules? |
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| 16:14.26 | abrotman | modconf or modprobe |
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| 16:15.02 | abrotman | Ronin: no more #-ot ? |
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| 16:15.31 | Ronin | abrotman: forgot to rejoin |
| 16:15.45 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 16:18.08 | zachhale | abrotman: there is a #usb-uhci in my /etc/modules file. could this mean usb is there just disabled? |
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| 16:19.13 | streuner | zachhale: check out 'lsusb' or/and dmesg |
| 16:20.22 | pickcoder | abrotman: the only issue I have is disabling faxsend for a specific device |
| 16:20.47 | pickcoder | apart from MPS errors (~20 for almost 13K outgoing faxes) |
| 16:21.02 | abrotman | faxsend ? |
| 16:21.09 | abrotman | we really only use ours for incoming |
| 16:21.10 | pickcoder | I can't find any docs on how to take the modem out of faxq for sending |
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| 16:21.23 | pickcoder | well I have 1 server with 3 devices and I need to disable outgoing for one of them |
| 16:21.50 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 16:21.55 | pickcoder | otherwise faxq will do round-robin on all 3 and tie them all up |
| 16:22.01 | zachhale | how do i install new kernel modules? |
| 16:22.01 | pickcoder | when a job fails |
| 16:22.09 | abrotman | pickcoder: moment .. let me peek around |
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| 16:23.21 | pickcoder | I guess I could comment out the modemdialcmd |
| 16:23.49 | Tallu | Hmm okay I got the lock removed. Anyone here happen to be experienced with sparcs? ;) |
| 16:25.22 | pickcoder | zachhale: define install new modules. Do you have 3rd party source? Are you using a .deb source package? etc.. |
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| 16:25.50 | zachhale | pickcoder: i want to install the kernel modules i need for usb support |
| 16:25.56 | zachhale | i'd like to get them from apt |
| 16:26.26 | zachhale | my kernel is too old, gotta upgrade the kernel |
| 16:26.30 | pickcoder | zachhale: look at the usbmgr package. you should already have the modules you need for various usb devices |
| 16:26.35 | pickcoder | how old? |
| 16:26.36 | pickcoder | 2.4.27? |
| 16:26.39 | zachhale | 2.4.18 |
| 16:26.44 | pickcoder | O_o |
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| 16:26.51 | zachhale | yea |
| 16:27.00 | pickcoder | 2.4.27 is the last 2.4 kernel on Sarge |
| 16:27.03 | zachhale | yeah |
| 16:27.04 | pickcoder | you should update to 2.6.8 |
| 16:27.05 | karmatronic | i dont understand why there s still people using 2.4 kernels |
| 16:27.07 | stew | zachhale: what version does "dpkg -l lib6" report? |
| 16:27.11 | zachhale | apt-get upgrade will upgrade the kernel, right? |
| 16:27.16 | stew | zachhale: maybe |
| 16:27.21 | pickcoder | zach: no.. not really |
| 16:27.24 | karmatronic | nops |
| 16:27.33 | Tallu | Do you know if the sparc would drop console to serial port with the debian installer? |
| 16:27.39 | pickcoder | you need to specify the kernel-image to install |
| 16:27.49 | pickcoder | and it will keep 2.4 until you remove it |
| 16:28.02 | zachhale | yeah, thats fine |
| 16:28.13 | pickcoder | make _sure_ you install the meta package instead of the full kernel-image.2.6.8-3 etc |
| 16:28.15 | zachhale | stew: No packages found matching lib6. |
| 16:28.20 | stew | er |
| 16:28.24 | stew | zachhale: libc6, sorry |
| 16:28.25 | pickcoder | I think it's called kernel-image-2.6 |
| 16:28.39 | zachhale | stew: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sar GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone d |
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| 16:28.53 | stew | zachhale: yeah, then you are ok to upgrade to 2.6, /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 16:31.03 | zachhale | so you say do 2.6? |
| 16:31.07 | zachhale | not 2.4.27? |
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| 16:31.13 | zachhale | i have no experience upgrading kernels |
| 16:31.18 | delire | spamassassin has served me well up until recently, where the spam is so sophisticated it could be read as the work of Thomas Pynchon. what are people using to catch this 'prose-like' spam? |
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| 16:31.44 | stew | zachhale: debian is about to release a new stable which will not offer support for 2.4, you are going to have to upgrade to 2.6 sooner or later |
| 16:31.44 | petemc | theres no silver bullet for image spam |
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| 16:32.20 | zachhale | stew: the thing is i'm only doing this to backup onto a usb hard drive because my raid controller is failing |
| 16:32.41 | Tallu | delire: a secretary ;) |
| 16:32.42 | abrotman | karmatronic: hardware support is different |
| 16:32.43 | petemc | delire: i use SA with pyzor and rulesets from rules de jour, some still gets through tho |
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| 16:33.14 | delire | Tallu: hmm, perhaps this is a wise trajectory. |
| 16:33.44 | zachhale | stew: so you're sure it wont cause problems? |
| 16:33.45 | karmatronic | abrotman: what kind of hardware doesnt work on 2.6 but does on 2.4? |
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| 16:33.55 | delire | petemc: i use pyzor, but those rulesets. |
| 16:34.14 | delire | petemc: s/but/but\ not/ |
| 16:34.19 | petemc | they do help |
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| 16:34.37 | petemc | but im off the opinion the spammers are winning the battle atm |
| 16:34.40 | petemc | of |
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| 16:35.23 | Ronin | petemc: unfortinuatly, interesting choice of words though "bullet" |
| 16:35.29 | petemc | :) |
| 16:35.55 | delire | petemc: agreed, if winning the battle also means choking the mailservers they need to deliver their crud. |
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| 16:36.38 | stew | zachhale: it won't cause problems. its not guaranteed to work, although it probably will. if it doesn't, you'll have your old kernel to fall back on |
| 16:36.49 | zachhale | okay |
| 16:37.39 | pickcoder | zachhale: if you install the metapackage that dpkg mentioned then you should have no issues |
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| 16:38.11 | pickcoder | I have upgraded a few sarge testing installs to Etch without major issue |
| 16:38.37 | pickcoder | you will still have your 2.4 boot option |
| 16:38.45 | pickcoder | until you remove it and update grub |
| 16:38.59 | Tallu | I upgraded my server from sarge to etch a few months back, it's worked just fine. Not a single issue |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | karmatronic: older dec NICs |
| 16:39.20 | stew | upgrading to etch if you are still running a 2.4 kernel creates issues |
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| 16:39.30 | abrotman | pickcoder: i can't find anything to do that .. but i don't mess with it that much |
| 16:39.35 | pickcoder | stew: I had no problems before the meta package for 2.6 was created |
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| 16:40.33 | pickcoder | abrotman: ok. thanks. I'll wait and see if Lee responds on the mailing list |
| 16:40.42 | abrotman | pickcoder: perhaps ask ##linux ... |
| 16:40.46 | pickcoder | he watches the list fairly closely |
| 16:41.10 | pickcoder | unfortunately, my submission was done with an old e-mail and it went to the moderator |
| 16:41.55 | karmatronic | abrotman: ok |
| 16:42.07 | pickcoder | stew: I upgraded test sarge (old!) to etch back in october and it went without a hiccup |
| 16:42.43 | karmatronic | pickcoder: sarge to etch isnt too di |
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| 16:42.49 | karmatronic | fficult |
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| 16:43.07 | goodtod | how does apt-setup pick the release to install? i tried using it and it seemed to have picked testing arbitrarily. |
| 16:43.46 | pickcoder | karmatronic: the dist-upgrade doesn't work if you don't have the meta package for 2.6 installed |
| 16:43.57 | stew | huh? |
| 16:44.02 | Ronin | goodtod: depends on your install disks and whats in cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:44.11 | stew | goodtod: what version of the base-config pacakge do you have installed? |
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| 16:44.46 | jair | good morning guys, I was wondering a way of make "x11vnc" to run on my computer this way: 1) run the script remotely 2) the script will open a screen session 3) In the screen session automatically run the command x11vnc -rafbauth -forever -shared /path/to/passwd. |
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| 16:45.10 | goodtod | Ronin: I emptied sources.list before running apt-setup |
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| 16:45.25 | karmatronic | jair: ok just do it |
| 16:45.51 | jair | I notice that when I am running the script, it use one of the terminals it is not a big deal but I wonder if is possible running it or a script that will tell screen "press the spacebar" :( |
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| 16:46.12 | jair | karmatronic: but how can i tell the script to press space bar after start the screen? |
| 16:46.12 | goodtod | stew: Version: 2.53.10.2 |
| 16:46.45 | jair | do i need to use a variable or another programing language like expect or ??? |
| 16:47.08 | CharminTheMoose | jair: press the space bar? |
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| 16:47.35 | karmatronic | jair: man screen |
| 16:47.41 | stew | jair: just write a script that runs "screen x11vnc -rafbauth -forever -shared /path/to/passwd" |
| 16:47.43 | karmatronic | jair: option -e |
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| 16:48.33 | Thms | how to know my uid ? |
| 16:49.15 | jair | stew: that will do it, but I was wondering if I can use a script that will open a screen run the script on screen then deattach |
| 16:49.20 | pickcoder | Thms: "id" |
| 16:49.27 | jair | karmatronic: i will check that :) |
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| 16:49.47 | jair | karmatronic: what about the deattach :) |
| 16:50.06 | stoffell | can anyone confirm snoopy leading to segfaults on amd64 etch ? (works perfect on i386) |
| 16:50.27 | stew | jair: screen -d -m x11vnc... |
| 16:50.35 | stew | stoffell: yes |
| 16:50.45 | stew | stoffell: i'm actually working on a patch |
| 16:50.58 | stew | stoffell: i can tell you how to fix it if you want to rebuild the package |
| 16:51.03 | stoffell | stew; oh, okay, no need to submit bug to bugs/snoopy then? |
| 16:51.20 | stew | stoffell: i've been talking with the maintainer, i'm going to be getting him a patch today |
| 16:51.49 | stoffell | stew; okay, if it goes into testing pretty soon, i can wait.. (unless it's a small patch) |
| 16:51.57 | stew | stoffell: and "echo > /etc/ld.so/preload" will disable it if you've installed it and now everything segfaults |
| 16:52.06 | stew | stoffell: its very small |
| 16:52.17 | stoffell | stew; yeah, disabled it already.. |
| 16:52.24 | karmatronic | jair: why do you need to deattach anyway ? |
| 16:52.38 | karmatronic | jair: since the point is to run x11vnc |
| 16:52.56 | karmatronic | jair: you will connect later graphically to the box |
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| 16:53.05 | stew | stoffell: around line 100 of snoopy.c calls syslog, and the first thing it sends in is "getLogin()" which returns an unusable pointer for some reason on amd64, if you eliminate getLogin from the syslog function, it will not segfault |
| 16:53.39 | stoffell | okay, thanks stew, will try your workaround! thanks! |
| 16:53.59 | pickcoder | unusable pointer? |
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| 16:54.57 | stew | pickcoder: yes, it sometimes returns null, sometimes not, but when its not null, dereferencing the pointer leads to a segfault |
| 16:55.11 | stew | stoffell: the fix will not be in testing soon, becuase this is not an RC bug (and testing is frozen) |
| 16:55.27 | stoffell | and when used in ld.so.preload it messes up everything |
| 16:55.41 | stew | if anything snoopy will be removed from amd64 for etch |
| 16:55.47 | stoffell | stew, oh, that's uhm, bad.. will use the patch then |
| 16:56.03 | stoffell | stew, oh.. funky:p |
| 16:56.11 | stew | snoopy has been dead upstream for longer than amd64 has existed, so its not a regression |
| 16:56.40 | jair | stew: thank you very much I will test all those things |
| 16:56.48 | jair | karmatronic: Thank you very much |
| 16:56.52 | karmatronic | selcome |
| 16:56.53 | stoffell | i see.. good to see someone else is using it though.. :) |
| 16:56.54 | karmatronic | welcome |
| 16:56.56 | stew | stoffell: though you should feel free to reportbug on this one |
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| 16:57.07 | stoffell | stew; thanks! |
| 16:57.12 | stew | i probably should have a while ago |
| 16:57.19 | pickcoder | I'd say I'd look at the code, but if it's being removed there's no point |
| 16:57.42 | stew | pickcoder: not removed permanantly |
| 16:58.10 | pickcoder | I have 1 etch box here with em64t on it |
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| 16:58.20 | jair | karmatronic: i really do not need to deattach but i was just wondering :) |
| 16:58.22 | pickcoder | dual-core Xeon |
| 16:58.39 | karmatronic | jair: x11vnc is cool indeed |
| 16:58.55 | karmatronic | jair: but only if run through ssh tunnel or some vpn |
| 16:59.05 | karmatronic | jair: otherwise it s a suicide |
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| 17:01.03 | stew | pickcoder: if you think you might be able to come up with a better fix, it would be awesome. i have no idea why getLogin is returning something unusable. It seems to work when i call it outside of snoopy |
| 17:01.35 | pickcoder | hrm. .well the compiler doesn't like malloc to start with |
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| 17:02.00 | pickcoder | conflicting types in "log" |
| 17:02.19 | karmatronic | pickcoder: never understood the difference between mallock and callock |
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| 17:03.43 | abrotman | malloc ? |
| 17:04.01 | pickcoder | calloc does contiguous when it can, base on word size |
| 17:04.10 | pickcoder | malloc allocates bytes where ever |
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| 17:04.30 | pickcoder | continuous allocate == calloc |
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| 17:04.51 | Gathond | pickcoder: C's calloc cleares the memory, malloc does not |
| 17:05.03 | pickcoder | Gathond: that too.. it runs memset |
| 17:05.45 | Gathond | other than that I don't think there are any difference seen from the program |
| 17:05.46 | zachhale | what does this mean? usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 |
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| 17:06.01 | airox | hello |
| 17:06.04 | pickcoder | Gathon: well.. not essentially |
| 17:06.13 | pickcoder | unless you are reading and writing huge blocks at once |
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| 17:06.17 | airox | Is there a way to schedule a task immediately with cron or something similar ? |
| 17:06.20 | pickcoder | contiguous blocks are faster |
| 17:06.27 | xand | airox: why not just run it? :P |
| 17:06.37 | airox | I want to run it in the cron context. |
| 17:07.02 | pickcoder | I don't write huge apps in C, so I always use malloc |
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| 17:09.14 | pickcoder | is there any consistency in when getlogin() returns a valid pointer versus a null pointer? |
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| 17:10.50 | zachhale | my uname -a says "Linux darude 2.4.18 #1 Fri Jan 9 15:31:33 PST 2004 i686 unknown" does that mean i need the kernel-image-2.6-686 (pickcoder,stew) |
| 17:12.15 | Arieh | i have a question.... can you helpme?? |
| 17:12.21 | stew | zachhale: what cpu do you have? |
| 17:12.24 | Arieh | is abuot debian... |
| 17:12.31 | zachhale | stew: how do i find out? |
| 17:12.31 | stew | Arieh: just ask your question |
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| 17:13.01 | stew | zachhale: "cat /proc/cpuinfo". is it a p4? a pentium m? and athlon?... |
| 17:13.20 | zachhale | stew: p4 2ghz |
| 17:13.30 | stew | zachhale: then yes, you want -686 |
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| 17:13.47 | zachhale | stew: so i can just apt-get install that? |
| 17:13.55 | stew | zachhale: apt-get install kernel-iamge-2.6-686 |
| 17:13.58 | stew | yeah |
| 17:14.01 | DavidProck1981 | hay how is it that you mount an iso |
| 17:14.09 | zachhale | stew: then run lilo afterwards? |
| 17:14.13 | stew | DavidProck1981: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mountpoint |
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| 17:14.27 | stew | zachhale: yes |
| 17:14.27 | Arieh | thnaks bye |
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| 17:15.24 | DavidProck1981 | ok thanks stew |
| 17:15.30 | DavidProck1981 | later all |
| 17:15.32 | Thms | why is my /var/log/messages in read only ? |
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| 17:15.42 | pickcoder | does snoopy log the execv filename(cmd) correctly? |
| 17:15.59 | stew | pickcoder: yes, its only getLogin that is a problem |
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| 17:16.06 | pickcoder | b/c the filename param of execv isn't even used in log() |
| 17:16.14 | pickcoder | which the compiler is complaining about |
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| 17:17.48 | kastner | Which is the perfered location for setting a user's PATH, .bash_profile (which is read first) or .bash_login ? |
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| 17:23.21 | DavidProck1981 | can someone hepl me solve this problem , Libgtk version >= 1.2.0....FAILED |
| 17:23.43 | pickcoder | stew: try using sprintf() to assign the results of getlogin to an interim var |
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| 17:24.32 | justin | !wayttd DavidProck1981 |
| 17:24.32 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, DavidProck1981? |
| 17:24.46 | DavidProck1981 | install kylix |
| 17:25.21 | DavidProck1981 | Borland Kylix-3.0 Enterprise |
| 17:26.05 | pickcoder | ok.. that don't work |
| 17:26.08 | pickcoder | now I can't ssh in |
| 17:26.11 | pickcoder | gah |
| 17:26.34 | cahoot | DavidProck1981: (guesswork) maybe you need the -dev package? |
| 17:26.56 | DavidProck1981 | what do you maen |
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| 17:27.20 | DavidProck1981 | brb |
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| 17:31.39 | stew | pickcoder: no difference |
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| 17:34.17 | moshii | I need an application that takes raw traffic to and interface an turns it into graphs and stats.. the idea is to push all the traffic around the network and push it to one machine to monitor it |
| 17:34.41 | mzperx | DavidProck1981, install libgtk1.2 or a higher version on your system... |
| 17:36.28 | chrissturm | moshii: mrtg |
| 17:36.49 | sepski | moshii, just trafic counters on interfaces? you can use snmp+mrtg/cricket or something as simple as munin |
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| 17:40.43 | killer | helo. i'd like to test X server, would someone suggest some graphics-intensive application available in Debian, preferably small? |
| 17:41.04 | moshii | sepski: we're going to setup a port that gets a mirror of most of the traffic going around the network, what we want to do is capture it and log what applications people are using and the amount of data they are transfering |
| 17:42.03 | Thms | why is my /var/log/messages in read only ? |
| 17:42.12 | moshii | sepski: we have mrtg running at the moment, but it's hard to split the different applications appart from the data you get from the windows snmp agent etc.. the monitoring machine is debian btw ;) |
| 17:42.14 | stew | Thms: what does "ls -l /var/log/messages" say? |
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| 17:42.35 | xand | Thms: why wouldn't it be? |
| 17:42.55 | stew | xand: becuase if it is readonly, syslog can't write to it |
| 17:43.06 | Thms | stew: -rw-r----- 1 root adm 36573 2007-02-05 18:42 /var/log/messages |
| 17:43.12 | xand | I assume he didn't mean for root |
| 17:43.17 | xand | those permissions are correct |
| 17:43.18 | stew | Thms: ok, that isnt' readonly |
| 17:43.19 | quintin | My SATA drives are not showing up on an Intel D102GGC2 motherboard. |
| 17:43.23 | quintin | Any bright ideas? |
| 17:43.30 | Thms | stew: so why I can't use it with conky ? |
| 17:43.47 | pickcoder | stew: it's not just getlogin() that's broken. getlogin_r() segfaults too. That may be a kernel bug. |
| 17:43.51 | xand | quintin: not showing up how? did you look in dmesg? |
| 17:43.54 | stew | Thms: becuase only users in the "adm" group can read it |
| 17:43.56 | pickcoder | or it could be a glibc buf |
| 17:43.57 | pickcoder | bug |
| 17:43.58 | quintin | xand: yes. don't see anything |
| 17:44.06 | Thms | stew: how can i change it ? |
| 17:44.16 | torrrrr | I have a network problem on ubuntu, can't ping even on the LAN , The network seems to be up though, static IP. Using resolvconf. Can anyone spare a hint? |
| 17:44.20 | xand | quintin: what kernel do you have? I expect you need to load a module, but no idea what |
| 17:44.21 | stew | Thms: "adduser username adm" to give 'username' access to the logs |
| 17:44.28 | stew | Thms: please ask #ubuntu |
| 17:44.30 | stew | torrrrr: ^^ |
| 17:44.32 | stew | Thms: not you |
| 17:44.35 | quintin | xand: linux26 from the 3.1 netinst cd |
| 17:44.42 | xand | stew: such access would be readonly |
| 17:44.43 | Thms | stew: I use debian :o |
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| 17:44.52 | gentgeen__ | Is there a "whois" like app I can use for looking at MX records? |
| 17:44.59 | quintin | torrrrr: This is #debian. not #ubuntu |
| 17:45.01 | xand | quintin: 2.6.8? that's rather old so I'm not too surprise |
| 17:45.02 | xand | d |
| 17:45.04 | stew | xand: afaik, conky would only need read access |
| 17:45.20 | stew | pickcoder: i concur |
| 17:45.21 | xand | stew: he was complaining about it being readonly ;) |
| 17:45.33 | xand | gentgeen__: dig mx domain.com |
| 17:45.41 | quintin | xand: so .. bright ideas? :P my netinst disc is about 6 mo old ? should I get a new one? Or would I need to try etch? |
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| 17:46.06 | Thms | stew: I did adduser thomas adm, now I vi /var/log/messages but it say permission refused |
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| 17:46.07 | gentgeen__ | xand, thanks |
| 17:46.11 | quintin | Thms: cd /var/log && chmod 777 . Problem solved! |
| 17:46.15 | xand | quintin: stable's kernel is old yes... what do you want to use the box for? |
| 17:46.38 | stew | Thms: you would have to logout and back in to get the group privileges. are you wanting to actually modify the log, or just read it? |
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| 17:46.39 | quintin | xand: Network server. Samba, mpd, apache2, php |
| 17:46.50 | xand | production server or at home? |
| 17:46.53 | quintin | xand: Want to have the 2 sata drives in software raid |
| 17:46.53 | cahoot | Thms: logout/logoin or su <user> |
| 17:46.56 | quintin | xand: production |
| 17:47.24 | xand | hm |
| 17:47.27 | particleman | i got i got 2 sata on raid 0 |
| 17:47.30 | xand | dunno |
| 17:47.42 | Thms | yeah thanks cahoot |
| 17:47.42 | xand | etch would work, but it's not 100% stable yet |
| 17:47.49 | xand | well, etch has more chance of working |
| 17:48.03 | quintin | you don't think newer netinst 3.1 disc would do much? |
| 17:48.30 | particleman | etch is way 2 cool |
| 17:48.38 | xand | quintin: no, 3.1 hasn't been updated |
| 17:48.45 | moshii | Ok, I think I've found it,.. I need something like etherape but with an mrtg-like front end :P |
| 17:48.58 | xand | you can install a newer kernel on sarge (3.1) but I don't know how that'd work |
| 17:49.01 | Thms | cahoot: now I can vi /var/log/messages but why I can't tail -n3 /var/log/messages | fold -w50 ? |
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| 17:49.20 | torrrrr | is debian better then ubuntu? |
| 17:49.28 | particleman | debian rocks |
| 17:49.31 | cahoot | Thms: from the same terminal? |
| 17:49.31 | xand | torrrrr: yes. |
| 17:49.34 | quintin | xand: I guess I'll get etch netinst. scarey |
| 17:49.37 | stew | quintin: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 ; look at the kmuto.jp url, you should also read the FAQ on that site about intel sata controllers |
| 17:49.38 | Thms | cahoot: yes |
| 17:49.39 | quintin | if that doesn't work... then it's Gentoo ! |
| 17:49.49 | cahoot | Thms: no idea |
| 17:49.57 | xand | quintin: I wouldn't ever use gentoo on a production server ;) |
| 17:49.57 | Thms | cahoot: hmm scuse me it is good |
| 17:50.07 | particleman | what software raid u using?? |
| 17:50.16 | quintin | xand: me neither. but I need it to work with this board. cause I want the board with hyperthreading! :P |
| 17:50.22 | quintin | particleman: 1, duh |
| 17:50.30 | torrrrr | xand: what would you use? |
| 17:50.37 | xand | debian of course. |
| 17:50.41 | particleman | lol |
| 17:50.43 | xand | and do use |
| 17:50.50 | particleman | silicon image?? |
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| 17:51.07 | torrrrr | xand and if you didn't have debian what would you use? |
| 17:51.18 | pickcoder | stew: username = getenv("LOGNAME"); //swap getlogin() with environment LOGNAME and assign as char * username |
| 17:51.27 | particleman | sili image |
| 17:51.38 | quintin | hm. getting etch netinst disc @ 1600kB/s |
| 17:51.51 | stew | pickcoder: hmm, its a compromise security wise |
| 17:52.04 | stew | pickcoder: well, i guess its no worse than just omitting getLogin |
| 17:52.08 | Thms | anyone knows a good log monitoring ? |
| 17:52.21 | quintin | /usr/bin/grep |
| 17:52.23 | pickcoder | I know |
| 17:52.31 | pickcoder | but atleast it will provide a bit of userinfo |
| 17:52.32 | stew | pickcoder: (thanks for looking at this, btw) |
| 17:52.33 | torrrrr | xand: which distro is in second place? |
| 17:52.33 | pickcoder | you have the UID |
| 17:52.36 | stew | yeah |
| 17:52.40 | pickcoder | that's all you need for sec |
| 17:52.42 | xand | torrrrr: there is none ;) |
| 17:52.49 | quintin | xand: heh, good answer |
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| 17:53.04 | nescius | hello |
| 17:53.08 | nescius | i need to downgrade some packages in debian, but unfortunally i am new user of the distribution, can you tell me where to find php-4.3.9? ..or where do i find version 4.4 pf php for stable branch? |
| 17:53.37 | torrrrr | xand and how is the comunity support in debian? |
| 17:53.50 | pickcoder | I have a strong feeling that the segfault is happening due to the static location of the username. |
| 17:53.59 | pickcoder | getlogin is writing over itself |
| 17:54.07 | pickcoder | but I have no way to verify that |
| 17:54.25 | torrrrr | xand: for a noobie that have a problem, and need directions? |
| 17:54.35 | xand | read the channel ;) |
| 17:54.45 | xand | or, compare this to #ubuntu |
| 17:54.46 | particleman | i want to try pardus |
| 17:54.53 | particleman | anyone used it? |
| 17:55.23 | pickcoder | I really don't have time to sift through the libs on a bug I don't care about. <g> |
| 17:55.58 | nescius | where are old packages stored? |
| 17:56.18 | jair | the name of the device floppy disk is? fb0 |
| 17:56.28 | nescius | jair: usually |
| 17:56.33 | jair | I am trying to extract a driver on linux :) |
| 17:56.35 | jair | ok |
| 17:56.37 | jair | thanks |
| 17:56.46 | jair | just checking I am doing everything good |
| 17:57.06 | stew | pickcoder: ok, do you know off the top of your head how I #ifdef for amd64? |
| 17:57.30 | nescius | jair: fd |
| 17:57.46 | pickcoder | it's no different |
| 17:58.12 | jair | ok thanks |
| 17:58.17 | pickcoder | #if <VAR> |
| 17:58.19 | pickcoder | #endif |
| 17:58.29 | pickcoder | I commented out the IGNORE_NULL block also |
| 17:58.35 | stew | yeah |
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| 17:58.53 | torrrrr | how is installing from the minimal CD? |
| 17:59.08 | quintin | So I have a big software raid... should I put swap space on the sw raid? |
| 17:59.09 | quintin | raid 1 |
| 17:59.23 | Ronin | torrrrr: how is what installing from minimal cd? |
| 17:59.41 | quintin | torrrrr: probably the best way to install. |
| 17:59.49 | rahul | quintin: not really. |
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| 17:59.54 | torrrrr | Ronin: after i install the minimal, how do I continue? |
| 18:00.03 | nescius | i am looking for php-4.3.9, where? |
| 18:00.05 | xand | you use apt-get to install what else you want |
| 18:00.12 | xand | nescius: you tell us |
| 18:00.13 | quintin | rahul: that's what I'm thinking... so, I have hdd, both fully committed to the RAID.. where do I put swap at? |
| 18:00.19 | rahul | quintin: I mean, it's not like sw raid is really that good for handling hot failures. |
| 18:00.21 | fantomas | torrrrr: there is 'tasksel' program which does the rest |
| 18:00.42 | rahul | quintin: shrink both and put two swaps with the same prio on both disks |
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| 18:00.51 | rahul | quintin: the kernel will stripe swaps with the same prio |
| 18:00.59 | fantomas | torrrrr: it even starts at installatin phase so after you finish you'get working system |
| 18:00.59 | torrrrr | ok |
| 18:01.14 | quintin | rahul: so .. I have a little bit of swap space at betginning of each hdd, then rest of hdd is 'physical volume for raid' ? |
| 18:01.25 | rahul | quintin: yeah |
| 18:01.27 | particleman | how much memory you got might not need swap |
| 18:01.39 | torrrrr | debian is the source for ubuntu right? |
| 18:01.43 | rahul | particleman: you should always have swap |
| 18:01.47 | quintin | I probably won't, but it is not pretty when the kernel starts randomly killing things |
| 18:01.53 | particleman | why?? |
| 18:02.00 | rahul | particleman: worst case is it will improve performance by leaving more space for caches |
| 18:02.04 | quintin | rahul: that's debatable... I have machines with no swap that work super |
| 18:02.15 | quintin | particleman: this box will probably have 256mB |
| 18:02.19 | particleman | my raid box has no swap |
| 18:02.25 | rahul | quintin: but less super than it could, otherwise :) |
| 18:02.26 | nescius | xand: dont get it, i was happy user of urpmi |
| 18:02.30 | quintin | torrrrr: ubuntu is based on debian unstable. This is not #ubuntu |
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| 18:03.00 | quintin | rahul: mebbie... that box is 512mB.. there is a 128m swapfile in root's homedir that is sometimes turned on :p |
| 18:03.22 | torrrrr | quintin: so debian stable should be more stable than ubuntu stable? |
| 18:03.36 | rahul | quintin: I think allowing the MM to push pages out to make room for cache is a good idea |
| 18:03.47 | rahul | there's an ubuntu stable? what does that even mean? |
| 18:03.54 | amphi | heh |
| 18:03.56 | norc | Where do I change my nameserver? |
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| 18:04.03 | Dembug | lol |
| 18:04.08 | Dembug | <torrrrr> quintin: so debian stable should be more stable than ubuntu stable? |
| 18:04.08 | vdv | hi all |
| 18:04.10 | rahul | that's like saying it's the stable bleeding-edge... |
| 18:04.11 | quintin | torrrrr: yes. this is not #ubuntu. Please stop |
| 18:04.14 | torrrrr | rahul: I am new at this but the have a LTS version long term service |
| 18:04.19 | particleman | lol |
| 18:04.20 | Dembug | #ubuntu |
| 18:04.20 | vdv | when i transfer files from my usb flash they are all executable flag set |
| 18:04.30 | vdv | which option to mount must i specify to do not interpret files on my usb as executables? |
| 18:04.38 | quintin | rahul: you were saying sw raid is not good at handling hot drive failure? |
| 18:04.40 | particleman | when is etch going stable |
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| 18:04.48 | Dembug | its not like there isnt hundreds of people thatare better suited to answering your questions in ubuntu chan torrrrr |
| 18:04.53 | rahul | quintin: right. there's no real isolation from the host OS. |
| 18:04.55 | torrrrr | quintin: I know, I just have problems with ubuntu, and I want to know with which distro to replace it |
| 18:04.58 | quintin | particleman: /msg dpkg wwer read the topic |
| 18:05.22 | rahul | quintin: some failures could cause kernel lockups |
| 18:05.25 | Dembug | i have a security question for debian sarge stable current. |
| 18:05.28 | quintin | torrrrr: Your problems are quite possibly user error. |
| 18:05.28 | pickcoder | norc: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:05.37 | norc | pickcoder: ah thanks |
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| 18:05.48 | quintin | rahul: Well the most important thing, is having the inventory program and database survive a physical hard disk failure. Will sw raid work for this? |
| 18:05.50 | dav__ | elo |
| 18:05.51 | torrrrr | Dembug: There probably are, just they didn't answer :( |
| 18:05.52 | nescius | do the debian has any kind of package backup? |
| 18:06.06 | Dembug | assuming that there are no updates required , how secure is a sarge default install ignoring the 3DES/SHA and keylength |
| 18:06.17 | rahul | quintin: it should survive failure, yes. it might not keep running till you physically remove the drive. |
| 18:06.18 | Dembug | and basic things such as iptables + port usage |
| 18:06.45 | Dembug | maybe i need a good permissions guide ;> |
| 18:06.48 | rahul | Dembug: a default install installs no daemons. |
| 18:06.54 | rahul | or rather, no network daemons. |
| 18:06.55 | quintin | rahul: That is of a lesser concern. Let's say my first physical hard disk fails... what do I have to do to make the 2nd disk boot? |
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| 18:07.07 | Dembug | so essentially debian is pretty damn secure |
| 18:07.13 | Dembug | by default |
| 18:07.18 | rahul | quintin: plug the second into the first disk's plug, basically |
| 18:07.31 | quintin | rahul: but there's no MBR on it.. |
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| 18:07.33 | rahul | Dembug: yes. install the daemons you want |
| 18:07.39 | quintin | rahul: rather, there is nothing on the MBR |
| 18:07.51 | rahul | quintin: you could install an mbr to it, I guess |
| 18:08.03 | rahul | quintin: root on sw raid is tricky :) |
| 18:08.36 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:08.50 | HardDisk_WP | i've heard of some kind of wine plugin for directx... |
| 18:08.57 | quintin | rahul: I was considering using a read-only flash drive for root, and /home /var be on sw raid 1. Is that advisable? |
| 18:09.07 | HardDisk_WP | does that mean that I can play need forspeed most wanted @ debian etch and how? |
| 18:09.07 | quintin | HardDisk_WP: /join #winehq |
| 18:09.23 | rahul | quintin: that seems reasonable |
| 18:09.33 | nescius | there is a bug in php 4.3.10 which prohibits me to use it |
| 18:09.42 | quintin | rahul: or maybe even.. a CD-R? hah |
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| 18:09.48 | nescius | php bug #33287 |
| 18:09.52 | rahul | quintin: heh, seeking will kill you |
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| 18:09.57 | wmn | hi where can i place a new ttf font file so that i could get that font viewed? |
| 18:10.14 | wmn | ca anyone tell? |
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| 18:10.34 | quintin | rahul: One of the other new machines has SATA RAID 1,0 built-in to the board... would we be better to use that? hardware raid? |
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| 18:10.45 | HardDisk_WP | quintin, btw, I got a old computer which dont support boot from CD. any way to boot the CD via floppy? |
| 18:11.04 | quintin | !fonts > wmn |
| 18:11.28 | quintin | HardDisk_WP: hellifiknow. I'd put the HDD in a computer that doesn't suck, and do a basic install. |
| 18:11.31 | rahul | quintin: that's usually software raid, and not well supported by linux |
| 18:11.40 | quintin | HardDisk_WP: there is a way to do waht you seek, but I don't recall where I found the floppy img |
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| 18:12.01 | rahul | quintin: if you really want something simple and reliable, get a 3ware controller |
| 18:12.04 | nitro4ce | when i try to run a sh file using kde shortcut i get: KDEInit couldnt launch ./*****.sh |
| 18:12.07 | nitro4ce | the path is ok |
| 18:12.08 | quintin | rahul: that is what I was worried about.. linux support. The manual has a 'utility' for making raid within windows. |
| 18:12.14 | rahul | quintin: and then you can even do raid 5 without penalty :) |
| 18:12.32 | rahul | quintin: yeah, it's software raid with bios configuration support, basically |
| 18:12.40 | quintin | rahul: oh! and I notice on a sw raid I setup with debian... my load was almost always @ 1. is this normal? |
| 18:12.45 | rahul | quintin: helps with the issue of how to deal with MBRs and all |
| 18:13.02 | nescius | do the debian has any kind of package backup? are there old packages anywhere? |
| 18:13.11 | quintin | raid1_sync and raid1_xxxxx were listed at top of 'top' page |
| 18:13.21 | rahul | quintin: never tried sw raid myself, but I would think you shouldn't always have something executable unless you installed some sort of background compute task |
| 18:13.23 | madclicker | how can i check if backport has denyhost listed? |
| 18:13.34 | rahul | strange. |
| 18:13.47 | quintin | rahul: nope.. that was a fresh install |
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| 18:13.52 | nescius | can anyone answer me? |
| 18:14.06 | anapivirtua_ | Oyo all. |
| 18:14.17 | quintin | nescius: why do you need version 4.23.2.3.53252.23423423.-323423.r6 of php? Why won't a diff one work? |
| 18:14.38 | rahul | nescius: snapshot.debian.net be careful with those packages. they can be total crap. |
| 18:14.48 | troubleboy | Does somebody in here know how to play VP62 encoded streams in debian????? Please help. |
| 18:14.50 | rahul | they have new versions for a reason :) |
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| 18:15.27 | rahul | troubleboy: google vp62 linux??????????? |
| 18:15.28 | quintin | troubleboy: tried mplayer or vlc? |
| 18:15.45 | quintin | <ahem> |
| 18:15.48 | quintin | troubleboy: tried mplayer or vlc?????????????????????/ |
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| 18:15.55 | rahul | heh |
| 18:16.03 | jelly | !!!! |
| 18:16.04 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 18:16.10 | rahul | heh |
| 18:16.10 | troubleboy | oh i tried google :) and mplayer and vlc, doesnt work |
| 18:16.13 | rahul | ;;;;;;; |
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| 18:16.19 | rahul | troubleboy: then you're using them wrong. |
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| 18:16.31 | rahul | The highlights of this release are native VC-1/WMV3, On2 VP5 and VP62 (used in some Flash video files) decoding, which works even on non-Intel platforms, and SSA/ASS/color subtitles. |
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| 18:16.38 | norc | nescius: if you insist on it, http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 18:16.48 | jelly | troubleboy: can you give an example file using that codec? |
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| 18:17.39 | troubleboy | hiveproductions.com/shoutcast/ pick the stargate stream |
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| 18:17.39 | troubleboy | try that and play it |
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| 18:18.25 | quintin | rahul: so with a hw raid controller.. that is presented to computer as 1 physical drive, yes? how do you know when there is a failure? |
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| 18:18.43 | troubleboy | rahul, quintin: have you tried it? |
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| 18:19.04 | rahul | works for me |
| 18:19.07 | quintin | troubleboy: I refuse. I'm running from a livecd now :p |
| 18:19.13 | particleman | you will know on boot if a mirrired drive fails |
| 18:19.22 | blinx | anyone has a link of a iceweasel32/firefox32 package? |
| 18:19.35 | quintin | rahul: have you used hw sata raid? |
| 18:19.37 | jelly | troubleboy: confirmed, [00000287] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `VP62'. |
| 18:19.42 | particleman | i couldnt find ice weasel this morning either |
| 18:19.47 | rahul | quintin: the driver should whine to you, in dmesg, etc |
| 18:19.53 | rahul | quintin: no |
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| 18:20.05 | rahul | Opening audio decoder: [faad] AAC (MPEG2/4 Advanced Audio Coding) |
| 18:20.12 | rahul | Selected video codec: [ffvp6] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg VP6 decoder) |
| 18:20.13 | jelly | troubleboy: try asking in #mplayer |
| 18:20.18 | rahul | etc, etc. |
| 18:20.22 | rahul | this is using the mplayer in debian |
| 18:20.48 | quintin | so I installed thsi vista shit |
| 18:20.51 | quintin | it was pretty cool |
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| 18:21.07 | quintin | then I tried to do something with my copmuter. slooooooOOOOOOwwwwww. swap swap crunch crunch |
| 18:21.18 | rahul | troubleboy: just install the mplayer in debian. it works. |
| 18:21.19 | stew | !info vista unstable |
| 18:21.24 | stew | no such package |
| 18:21.25 | quintin | readyboost my ass! 512m and it's slow |
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| 18:21.40 | quitte | hi. how can i make ppp retry connecting forever? so that it will reconnect after for example the dsl modem was unplugged for a few hours? |
| 18:22.05 | rahul | quintin: erm... there's a redial option |
| 18:22.17 | quintin | rahul: :o |
| 18:22.25 | particleman | mdadm?? |
| 18:22.27 | jelly | rahul: hmm, that's the first time I see the mplayer from Debian playing something mplayer from marillat (here( can't |
| 18:22.31 | troubleboy | i have that goddamn mplayer installed and it wont work |
| 18:22.42 | prea | troubleboy, how did they do that stream? |
| 18:22.44 | prea | i dont get it |
| 18:22.53 | prea | i thought shoutcast is only audio |
| 18:23.03 | troubleboy | nah it's shoutcast tv |
| 18:23.07 | rahul | the site is broken |
| 18:23.08 | troubleboy | nsv container |
| 18:23.19 | quitte | rahul: ah finally seen it. ill have a look |
| 18:23.22 | rahul | it has a playlist but doesn't tell the browser that it's a playlist |
| 18:23.43 | rahul | mplayer -playlist "http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-tvstation.pls?id=26212" |
| 18:23.51 | jelly | one can always look at the source and use http://64.157.15.135:8040 directly |
| 18:24.09 | nescius | quintin: well, that could be a sollution but, the bug was fixed in 4.4 which is not in stable, its .. what is the word.. chucpe |
| 18:24.42 | rahul | or maybe it's my mailcap |
| 18:25.01 | prea | gotta have the shoutcast tv _o_ |
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| 18:25.20 | jelly | troubleboy: are those stations distributing the content legally? |
| 18:25.43 | particleman | does alsa support ac97?? |
| 18:25.51 | rahul | particleman: yes???!!!! |
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| 18:26.14 | quintin | nescius: you can have a lot of diff php.. are you sure it's not in stable? I have 4.something in mine. |
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| 18:26.19 | particleman | lsmod should show alsa then right?? |
| 18:26.30 | quintin | that's the dumbest question I've seen all day. |
| 18:26.31 | rahul | no???!! |
| 18:26.48 | rahul | "alsa" is not a module |
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| 18:27.13 | stew | particleman: alsa modules all start with "snd-" there is no "alsa" module |
| 18:27.15 | troubleboy | jelly: you can answer that question yourself |
| 18:27.19 | rahul | it's a suite of code that provides audio device support for the linux kernel, including drivers for specific hardware |
| 18:27.20 | nescius | quintin: 4.3.11, the bug was fixed in 4.4 |
| 18:27.25 | RvGaTe | How can i create an .iso image of /media/cdrom0 ? |
| 18:27.38 | stew | RvGaTe: cp /dev/cdrom /path/to/iso |
| 18:27.52 | particleman | how can you tell what sound you are using |
| 18:27.56 | stew | RvGaTe: (assuming that /media/cdrom0 is a cdrom you ahve mounted from somewherein /dev) |
| 18:28.21 | RvGaTe | stew, so cp /dev/cdrom /home/rvgate/cd.iso will do? cant believe its that easy.. |
| 18:28.29 | stew | RvGaTe: its that easy |
| 18:28.33 | RvGaTe | .holy crap |
| 18:28.57 | stew | particleman: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:29.18 | quintin | RvGaTe: dd if=/dev/acd0 of=~/myiso.iso |
| 18:29.24 | stew | same thing |
| 18:29.29 | RvGaTe | quintin, ? whats that? |
| 18:29.33 | rahul | dd will be nicer than cp, in some cases |
| 18:29.40 | stew | it will be no different |
| 18:29.48 | particleman | uname |
| 18:29.52 | rahul | eh. I don't trust cp with that kind of stuff :P |
| 18:29.57 | particleman | 2.6.8.3-386 |
| 18:30.07 | stew | particleman: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 18:30.08 | particleman | -3-386 |
| 18:30.10 | RvGaTe | quintin, rahul, stew, cp looks easyer, so im sticking with that :) |
| 18:30.10 | quintin | acd0... hehe. |
| 18:30.14 | RvGaTe | thx |
| 18:30.27 | rahul | /dev/acid-trip0 |
| 18:30.32 | pickcoder | stew: now I'm getting kernel error code 6 instead of 4 |
| 18:30.58 | pickcoder | I plugged in the extern protos for getlogin and getlogin_r since unistd.h can't be included due to duplicate defs for execv(etc) |
| 18:31.12 | pickcoder | it still bombs, regardless |
| 18:31.22 | RvGaTe | stew, might sound stupid, but now i just got a directory calles sometihng.iso with all the files in it :P |
| 18:31.32 | stew | pickcoder: i just reportbugged. the maintainer is going to see if he can actually locate upstream |
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| 18:31.44 | quintin | RvGaTe: you expected diff? :P |
| 18:31.47 | stew | RvGaTe: did you use /media/cdrom or /dev/cdrom ? |
| 18:31.54 | rahul | RvGaTe: you copied from the device? |
| 18:32.03 | RvGaTe | stew, rahul i took /media |
| 18:32.04 | pickcoder | ok |
| 18:32.14 | rahul | RvGaTe: what did we tell you to do? |
| 18:32.16 | stew | RvGaTe: no, copy right from the device, from /dev/cdrom |
| 18:32.48 | stew | and who said to put a -r or a -a in there! :) |
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| 18:33.05 | jelly | Hi. During a a dist-upgrade on etch, /usr/lib/gamin/gam_server appeared and starting constantly using about 20% CPU... how can I find out what is that and what's the real cause? |
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| 18:33.07 | quintin | zomg |
| 18:33.11 | quintin | etch has a gui installed |
| 18:33.13 | rahul | arrr! scurvy! |
| 18:33.17 | RvGaTe | stew, cp: cannot stat `/dev/cdrom/': Not a directory |
| 18:33.17 | quintin | installer. neat |
| 18:33.19 | rahul | holy scurvy |
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| 18:33.27 | quintin | RvGaTe: /dev/cdrom ... |
| 18:33.37 | rahul | !penixstrike RvGaTe |
| 18:33.37 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking RvGaTe to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:33.40 | rahul | shessh |
| 18:33.41 | quintin | RvGaTe: /foo/bar is a file, /foo/bar/ is a directory |
| 18:33.55 | RvGaTe | gotta wakeup |
| 18:33.56 | RvGaTe | :S |
| 18:34.04 | sgeigerbot | ~sing penix |
| 18:34.06 | apt | Penix, Penix, Penix the bush kangarooooo... Penix, Penix, Penix does smell toooo.... |
| 18:34.06 | quintin | RvGaTe: I've been awake for 48hrs.. :p |
| 18:34.24 | RvGaTe | now its copying |
| 18:34.33 | rahul | heh |
| 18:34.42 | particleman | what does send_pcm_oss mean?? |
| 18:34.43 | rahul | ~sing sussudio |
| 18:34.46 | apt | ACTION sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
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| 18:37.26 | RvGaTe | \o/ it worked, thx stew, rahul and quintin ... :) |
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| 18:39.00 | particleman | why does it call my sound an oss devicve?? |
| 18:39.22 | rahul | "it"? |
| 18:39.25 | particleman | shouldnt it be alsa device?? |
| 18:39.30 | stew | particleman: becuase it's using /dev/dsp which is the oss interface, which alsa will emulate if you have the snd-pcm-oss module loaded |
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| 18:40.14 | stew | RvGaTe: in any case, the actual answer to your oringal question about how you would do it from /media/cdrom0 (instead of the actual device) is "man mkisofs" |
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| 18:41.05 | RvGaTe | stew, ill try not to forget it :) |
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| 18:42.43 | particleman | why would i want nto emulate oss?? |
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| 18:43.02 | RvGaTe | particleman, becouse else you wont have any sound? just guessing :P |
| 18:43.03 | stew | particleman: becuase many audio applications only know how to talk to oss, not to alsa |
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| 18:43.46 | particleman | so alsa uses oss emulation because other programs depend on oss |
| 18:43.48 | quintin | you guys don't kid about etch being a buggy piece of shit huh |
| 18:43.52 | quintin | I mean uhm. 'unstable' |
| 18:44.01 | Ronin | quintin: hardly call etch,never mind |
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| 18:44.29 | pppoe_dude | hi. i just did a netinst of debian (sarge), how would i install esd or enable sound |
| 18:44.36 | pppoe_dude | is there a nice meta package for that? |
| 18:44.47 | particleman | lol |
| 18:44.52 | particleman | more sound stuff |
| 18:44.56 | stew | particleman: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:44.59 | stew | pppoe_dude: ^^^^ |
| 18:45.14 | particleman | 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 18:45.17 | particleman | whyu? |
| 18:45.17 | stew | pppoe_dude: and do you really want esd? or do you really just want to get sound working? |
| 18:45.18 | pppoe_dude | stew, im on power pc... 1 sec |
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| 18:45.40 | pppoe_dude | 2.6.8-powerpc, stew |
| 18:45.41 | quintin | pppoe_dude: I just install alsa |
| 18:45.41 | stew | particleman: (i meant to ask pppoe_dude, not you) |
| 18:45.47 | particleman | lol |
| 18:45.52 | Bonkers | what's a good program like xfontsel that isn't actually xfontsel, I'm looking for one that uses freetype so I can actually see what a font will look like |
| 18:45.53 | stew | pppoe_dude: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 18:46.09 | pppoe_dude | stew, ok... will alsa work fine with music players, etc? |
| 18:46.37 | pppoe_dude | haven't |
| 18:46.59 | stew | pppoe_dude: yes. i'd recommend adding snd-pcm-oss to /etc/modules after you get alsa installed. this makes sure that you have oss emulation loaded for alsa |
| 18:47.00 | jelly | hasn't was correct |
| 18:47.09 | pppoe_dude | cool |
| 18:47.32 | particleman | ok riddle me this |
| 18:47.45 | particleman | can i enable frame buffer afte install? |
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| 18:48.12 | stew | particleman: for x? or for console? |
| 18:48.21 | particleman | console |
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| 18:48.41 | jelly | adding a video=somefbdriver to boot parameters works for me |
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| 18:49.09 | stew | particleman: switch to console, run "hwinfo --framebuffer" pick a mode, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and append "vga=0x305" to the #kopt= line, then run "update-grub". |
| 18:49.10 | quintin | I am trying to setup software raid on etch installer disc. and .. it's not showing all the disks I mark as physical volume for raid when I'm to select which to use. it shows /dev/sdb1 , and nothing else. ... wtf ? |
| 18:49.28 | particleman | this is to cool |
| 18:49.41 | stew | particleman: note: don't actually remove the # from that "#kopt=" line, it needs to be there |
| 18:50.01 | particleman | lol |
| 18:50.04 | particleman | kj |
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| 18:50.59 | pppoe_dude | stew, thnx |
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| 18:51.26 | particleman | i had install issues so i installed w/o frame buffer and apic |
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| 18:52.36 | pickcoder | stew: I think I may have just fixed the bug in snoopy |
| 18:52.55 | stew | pickcoder: oh yeah!? |
| 18:53.10 | pickcoder | I forgot to malloc the string before calling getlogin |
| 18:53.17 | pickcoder | I set the username max length to 255 |
| 18:53.26 | pickcoder | ssh didn't bomb after installing it |
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| 18:53.56 | stew | pickcoder: wait, which string? |
| 18:53.59 | quintin | I have created a software raid device, and put a partition at the start of it, and now installer says that the rest of the space is 'unusable' ... wtf ? |
| 18:54.07 | stew | oh |
| 18:54.16 | pickcoder | I'm using getlogin_r |
| 18:54.28 | pickcoder | assigning it to char * username |
| 18:54.33 | stew | ok |
| 18:54.39 | stew | lemme give it a try |
| 18:54.43 | pickcoder | malloc sizeof(char) * 255 |
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| 18:54.53 | pickcoder | then pass 255 to getlogin_r |
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| 18:57.27 | dendrite | pickcoder: is that an ASCIIZ value? Don't forget to allow a char for the null, if so. |
| 18:57.28 | pickcoder | don't forget to free username before exiting the log() function |
| 18:57.46 | quintin | is this #c or #debian, ffs |
| 18:57.49 | pickcoder | dendrite: that's true |
| 18:57.51 | troubleboy | does apt-show-versions give me the versions of installed pacakges or the versions of the package lists in apt-cache?? |
| 18:58.09 | dendrite | quintin: "bug in snoopy." |
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| 18:58.28 | pickcoder | stew: rename log() to snoopylog() |
| 18:58.33 | pickcoder | and all calls to it |
| 18:58.43 | pickcoder | log already exists as a prototype |
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| 18:58.51 | quintin | OMG STOP |
| 18:58.53 | quintin | HURTS MY HEAD |
| 18:58.56 | quintin | I HATE CODING |
| 18:58.56 | pickcoder | I'll e-mail you the source of it you want it |
| 18:59.08 | stew | pickcoder: #409819 |
| 18:59.12 | stew | pickcoder: send it there |
| 18:59.36 | pickcoder | lemme see if I can write a diff |
| 18:59.40 | pickcoder | er.. build a diff |
| 18:59.43 | pppoe_dude | i add 'non-free' after 'main' in my sources.list for extra packages right? |
| 18:59.44 | karmatronic | quintin: codin is cool |
| 18:59.48 | karmatronic | quintin: when it s done |
| 19:00.19 | stew | pickcoder: send it however, i'll build a proper dpatch for it |
| 19:00.25 | pickcoder | ok |
| 19:00.42 | timely | i'm trying to use apt-get --download-only package_with_dependencies, and it isn't working, when i do apt-get --download-only dependencies (individually, or as a whole), they all download |
| 19:01.06 | timely | package_with_dependencies (just one package name) still won't download |
| 19:01.17 | timely | can someone walk me through how to make it download? |
| 19:01.41 | wmn | hi where can i place a new ttf font file so that i could get that font viewed?can anyone tell? |
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| 19:02.03 | PDani | hi |
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| 19:02.19 | stew | pickcoder: yeah, actually, i think i've got it here |
| 19:02.33 | quintin | !fonts > wmn |
| 19:02.33 | PDani | why can't i create hardlinks to a directory? those are just "special" files, aren't they? |
| 19:02.44 | PDani | directories* |
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| 19:02.58 | wmn | !fonts |
| 19:02.59 | dpkg | fonts is, like, check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
| 19:03.00 | mike1o | hi i installed a netinstall debian iso on a really old desktop pc, what's a good really light graphic environment? |
| 19:03.14 | mc__ | mike1o: there are lots of |
| 19:03.15 | quintin | mike1o: xfce4, blackbox |
| 19:03.18 | quintin | mike1o: twm |
| 19:03.23 | quintin | mike1o: stfw <3 |
| 19:03.24 | mc__ | mike1o: have a look at xfce4 and enlightenment |
| 19:03.31 | quintin | mc__: enlightment is crap |
| 19:03.33 | mike1o | ok cool |
| 19:03.50 | rahul | twm is rather heavy, actually |
| 19:03.53 | mc__ | quintin: do you mean e16 or e17? |
| 19:04.10 | rahul | (similar to how xterm is heavy) |
| 19:04.10 | quintin | mc__: all of them are crap |
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| 19:04.16 | rahul | E is better taken orally |
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| 19:04.19 | mike1o | isnt xfce too heavy? i have like 32M of ram (could upgrade to 64!!) |
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| 19:04.29 | rahul | mike1o: why do you need X, then? |
| 19:04.33 | troubleboy | hello? does apt-show-versions display the cache of apt-get or the actual versions of the installed packages? |
| 19:04.44 | mc__ | mike1o: do you use Xorg? |
| 19:04.45 | quintin | mike1o: use twm or blackbox |
| 19:04.48 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one please help me figure out this as to why the code fails to run as user foobar but works for root. i had mysql 4.1 installed. i had to move to mysql static build 5.0. after that the code started to fail. i recompiled libdbi and libdbd-mysql-perl to reflect the change .http://rafb.net/p/9nhH2W99.html |
| 19:05.01 | mike1o | rahul: because otherwise people will think its switched off |
| 19:05.08 | mike1o | :-) |
| 19:05.19 | rahul | mike1o: that makes no sense... if there's somehting on the screen, it's on |
| 19:05.29 | mike1o | mc__: arent these all xorg ones? |
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| 19:05.38 | rahul | mike1o: and if you use a WM, it won't always be there anyway. |
| 19:05.43 | mc__ | mike1o: you do not need X to watch porn |
| 19:06.30 | mc__ | mike1o: there are all for X yes,but Xorg is a bit heavy for your system,you should use kdrive instead |
| 19:06.31 | mike1o | rahul: u know how people are... im doing this in my friend's bar |
| 19:06.34 | CharminTheMoose | ok, so i'm adding various packages to make stuff run on this small linux distro i'm building. one of the requirements of bsdgames is gcc-3.3-base but gcc-3.3-base merely contains a bunch of textfiles related to the documentation and synaptic lists no dependancies. what's up with this? |
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| 19:06.44 | troubleboy | mike1o: use openbox |
| 19:06.50 | mc__ | mike1o: the best thing would be to get a real computer |
| 19:06.57 | rahul | mike1o: what will it be used for there? |
| 19:06.58 | mike1o | mc__: i have one here |
| 19:07.07 | hatta | mplayer -vo vesa is nice for video from the console |
| 19:07.13 | quintin | mike1o: I have some appliance computers for sale <3 |
| 19:07.13 | rahul | mike1o: it should only be in a staff-accessible area, and tell the staff not to turn it off |
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| 19:07.30 | rahul | staff shouldn't go around randomly turning shit off anyway. |
| 19:07.40 | pickcoder | stew: I'm replying to your bug report with the entire source for snoopy.c |
| 19:07.49 | stew | pickcoder: sounds great |
| 19:07.55 | mike1o | rahul: i just wanted to test it... after which ill just use it as a server to record accesses on postgres |
| 19:07.59 | stew | pickcoder: and thanks |
| 19:08.14 | rahul | mike1o: why do you even need a monitor on it, then? |
| 19:08.15 | mike1o | u think python & postgres can run on it? |
| 19:08.23 | mike1o | rahul: i wont |
| 19:08.26 | mike1o | :-) |
| 19:08.27 | mc__ | mike1o: of course |
| 19:08.29 | rahul | mike1o: then why does X matter? |
| 19:08.34 | quintin | I have created a software raid device, and put a partition at the start of it, and now installer says that the rest of the space is 'unusable' ... wtf ? |
| 19:08.40 | mike1o | rahul: just 4 fun :-) |
| 19:08.44 | rahul | why do you need an X server on a headless box? |
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| 19:09.11 | rahul | so this is a useless conversation. |
| 19:09.11 | mike1o | plus i want to use it as a test for my 1992 laptop |
| 19:09.25 | graytron_ | has qemu improved in speed since version 0.61 in sarge? |
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| 19:09.56 | CharminTheMoose | stew,pickcoder snoopy.c? |
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| 19:10.27 | stew | !dbugs 409819 |
| 19:10.32 | dpkg | #409819:N[snoopy] snoopy: segfaults on amd64; Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:48:03 UTC |
| 19:10.32 | h3sp4wn | graytron_: You can use kqemu for increased performance (but its non-free) (with later versions) |
| 19:11.04 | graytron_ | h3sp4wn: non-free as in no source to be seen? |
| 19:11.26 | CharminTheMoose | graytron_ you can't redistrubute it freely to one and all |
| 19:11.39 | karmatronic | or you can use vmware |
| 19:12.06 | graytron_ | so there's source available for kqemu? |
| 19:12.07 | h3sp4wn | graytron_: binary only kernel module |
| 19:12.23 | graytron_ | right. |
| 19:12.30 | graytron_ | vmware sounds more appealing then |
| 19:12.37 | sepski | graytron_, just install the kqemu-module |
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| 19:13.00 | sepski | make sure you load it with major=0 as argument to make it generate the /dev/kqemu automagicaly |
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| 19:13.31 | h3sp4wn | I don't think it would work with qemu 0.62 though anyway |
| 19:13.33 | dav__ | how to force apt-get to download package from the net and not o ask the cdrom ? |
| 19:13.52 | rahul | dav__: specify a version? |
| 19:14.12 | rahul | dav__: you want something older than the cdrom has? |
| 19:14.18 | dendrite | dav__: Do you have 'net sources listed? |
| 19:14.25 | Detox_at_Work | hey folks, all things considered,,, to have a reliable fileserver to use with a bunch of win pc's should I use debian or would you recommend another distro? |
| 19:14.43 | rahul | Detox_at_Work: why would debian not be fine for that? |
| 19:14.45 | dav__ | rahul, the problem is simple apt-get ask me the cdrom to install xpdf but i lost it |
| 19:14.56 | rahul | dav__: so remove the cdrom from the sources.list |
| 19:14.56 | Detox_at_Work | dont know that is why i am asking |
| 19:15.05 | graytron_ | only unbiased answers here |
| 19:15.06 | rahul | Detox_at_Work: does debian have the software you need? |
| 19:15.11 | dav__ | rahul, noway to do it with the command line |
| 19:15.13 | Detox_at_Work | I think it would go well ,,, but am asking |
| 19:15.23 | Detox_at_Work | all I need is a fileserver |
| 19:15.25 | rahul | dav__: if a source doesn't work, remove it |
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| 19:15.34 | pickcoder | a quick execv test doesn't show an entry in syslog |
| 19:15.41 | Detox_at_Work | and ability to ftp into it remotely |
| 19:15.43 | rahul | dav__: fix the problem, don't fix 100 things that aren't the problem |
| 19:15.53 | keith80403 | Detox_at_Work, You'd install Debian with the Samba packages (included) should work just fine. |
| 19:15.58 | rahul | Detox_at_Work: ok, and does debian have the software you need? |
| 19:16.03 | Detox_at_Work | I know debian fairly well, at least I can navagate it ok, |
| 19:16.16 | rahul | ok, so what is debian missing that you need? |
| 19:16.26 | Detox_at_Work | as far as I knw I need samba and nfs |
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| 19:16.38 | Detox_at_Work | as well as apache and a ftp server |
| 19:16.45 | dav__ | rahul, thks it is working |
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| 19:17.02 | Detox_at_Work | Really, am not trying to tridk anyone |
| 19:17.12 | Detox_at_Work | I think debian would work fine |
| 19:17.13 | rahul | so what is debian missing? |
| 19:17.20 | dav__ | another strange problem i have installed tor and privoxy, andwhen i use privoxy with tor it doesn't hide my ip |
| 19:17.23 | Detox_at_Work | nuttin as far as I knmow |
| 19:17.33 | rahul | so what's the problem? |
| 19:17.39 | dav__ | just as if privoxy just connect me direct to internet |
| 19:17.50 | Detox_at_Work | asking opinion cause you guys provide honest ones |
| 19:18.03 | keith80403 | Detox_at_Work, Install Debian and you should have everything you need - Apache, NFS, Samba, FTP..... |
| 19:18.13 | Detox_at_Work | oki doki then |
| 19:18.14 | zinx | dav__: you have to configure privoxy to use tor |
| 19:18.23 | Detox_at_Work | appreciate the input |
| 19:18.30 | Detox_at_Work | off to load it up |
| 19:18.33 | Detox_at_Work | thanks.................. |
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| 19:18.35 | zinx | dav__: check /usr/share/doc/tor/README.privoxy |
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| 19:18.47 | dav__ | zinx, this is what i done with forward-4asocks / 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:19.01 | dav__ | zinx, but it hasn't change anything... |
| 19:19.08 | zinx | dav__: check /usr/share/doc/tor/README.privoxy |
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| 19:20.11 | pickcoder | never mind.. it's in auth.log on my box |
| 19:20.50 | m0nkeyb0y | hey anyone up for a network question |
| 19:20.51 | m0nkeyb0y | after |
| 19:20.52 | m0nkeyb0y | i um |
| 19:20.54 | m0nkeyb0y | TA this lab? |
| 19:21.12 | stew | m0nkeyb0y: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 19:21.25 | infernix | anyone tried building amarok 1.4.5 (from source) on etch or sid yet? getting some errors here, "undefined reference to QGArray" "undefined reference to `operator<<(QDataStream&, KURL const&)'". |
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| 19:22.08 | pickcoder | stew: that source is still bugged |
| 19:22.10 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 19:22.14 | pickcoder | freaking null arrays |
| 19:22.28 | pickcoder | obviously I don't code C that often |
| 19:22.29 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:22.43 | stew | pickcoder: i think mines working, i'm going to send mine |
| 19:22.51 | pickcoder | it works |
| 19:23.04 | stew | just get some empty getlogin strings? |
| 19:23.14 | pickcoder | unless the uid = 0 |
| 19:23.20 | pickcoder | then you get a null char array |
| 19:23.23 | pickcoder | in the log |
| 19:23.25 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:24.56 | pickcoder | actually.. it's when there is no username that matches a uid |
| 19:25.06 | pickcoder | regardless.. check the int that getlogin_r returns |
| 19:25.17 | pickcoder | if it's not zero then set username to some string or null it out |
| 19:25.41 | pickcoder | I used strcpy(username,"unknown") |
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| 19:27.20 | stew | pickcoder: yea, but i still get empty strings from getlogin_r |
| 19:27.36 | stew | for the stew user, i sometimes get "stew" sometimes get "" |
| 19:28.00 | stew | but this is fine, at least its not segfaulting |
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| 19:28.30 | pickcoder | I see that too |
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| 19:29.51 | gnp_nix | I have kde... in order to test remote desktop do I need to find another user with kde? |
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| 19:30.21 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: euh , need a windows box |
| 19:30.49 | gnp_nix | oh ok |
| 19:30.58 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: what do you mean as remote desktop ? |
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| 19:31.33 | gnp_nix | desktop sharing |
| 19:32.08 | gnp_nix | Im having trouble where no one outside can connect via ssh and wanted to test desktop sharing to see if anyone can connect that way |
| 19:32.46 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: desktop sharing with vnc ? |
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| 19:33.24 | gnp_nix | I guess its like vnc |
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| 19:33.36 | abrotman | it's either vnc or it's not |
| 19:33.41 | gnp_nix | but its built into kde |
| 19:34.01 | gnp_nix | KDE Desktop Sharing allows you to invite somebody at a remote location to watch and possibly control your desktop. |
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| 19:35.05 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: yeah from google, its based on vnc |
| 19:35.17 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: so you need a vnc client on client side |
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| 19:35.52 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: and remote desktop connection on kde is one |
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| 19:36.06 | gnp_nix | so anyone with vnc should be able to conect to my KDE Desktop Sharing if I give them the pass and ip |
| 19:36.35 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: from what i see , i d say yes ª |
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| 19:38.08 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: correcting what i said |
| 19:38.20 | karmatronic | gnp_nix: remote desktop connection on kde is only client side |
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| 19:39.07 | Eclipser | someone recommend a good, entertaining but simple games in debian - please :) |
| 19:39.20 | karmatronic | Eclipser: xsokoban |
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| 19:39.40 | karmatronic | Eclipser: pathological |
| 19:39.47 | WorkRoey | hey all |
| 19:39.50 | WorkRoey | karmatronic whautp |
| 19:40.01 | Phil4 | hi guys, lately I've noticed users seem to be disappearing on my Etch box |
| 19:40.06 | gnp_nix | SO THAT MEANS i CAN ONLY DO IT ON MY LAN? |
| 19:40.09 | karmatronic | Eclipser: codebreaker |
| 19:40.17 | karmatronic | hi WorkRoey |
| 19:40.17 | Phil4 | their groups and home dirs are still there but their users just vanish |
| 19:40.37 | gnp_nix | opps sorry bout the caps |
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| 19:40.45 | karmatronic | Eclipser: street fighter with zsnes :) |
| 19:41.04 | Eclipser | karmatronic, oh yeah... I have hundreds of zsnes modules.. |
| 19:41.09 | Eclipser | thanks for reminding |
| 19:41.40 | karmatronic | Eclipser: xblast |
| 19:41.51 | WorkRoey | Eclipser: I'm looking for an SCP sound player |
| 19:42.26 | pppoe_dude | does dpkg keep a log/history of package installs |
| 19:42.29 | Eclipser | WorkRoey, I found one once and I was going to make a plugin for them for xmms2 but I forgot |
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| 19:43.58 | WorkRoey | Eclipser: ah |
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| 19:44.06 | WorkRoey | Eclipser: I am looking for one. |
| 19:44.13 | WorkRoey | there is nothing available debian-amd64 at all |
| 19:44.21 | WorkRoey | I would take it and convert the output to wav |
| 19:44.23 | WorkRoey | or flac |
| 19:44.38 | WorkRoey | or alternatively.. I'd love an Amarok (or sox?) filter |
| 19:44.54 | WorkRoey | is there a standard set of filters that Amarok and XMMS(2) can share? |
| 19:44.54 | Eclipser | karmatronic, this pathological is weird o.O |
| 19:45.13 | karmatronic | Eclipser: i love it ! |
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| 19:46.26 | Eclipser | karmatronic, I need a simple introduction to it :) |
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| 19:47.10 | karmatronic | Eclipser: put groups of 4 same-color balls in each big circle |
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| 19:47.58 | karmatronic | Eclipser: right click on any little circle in big circle to make it move |
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| 19:48.30 | mo1991 | I am running debian etch and when I do a nessus scan I find that 2 ports are unknown - port 2208 and 1022 |
| 19:48.50 | mo1991 | can someone tell me why nessus shows these ports as open or what could be running on them? |
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| 19:48.59 | zinx | mo1991: uhm, why do that? netstat will tell you what's running on them :/ |
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| 19:50.31 | Eclipser | karmatronic, ah finally passed first level :p |
| 19:50.35 | mo1991 | zina - can you tell me how - the netstat command brings up a huge list? Is there something I need to add to the command |
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| 19:51.18 | zinx | mo1991: netstat -natuwp | egrep -w '(2208|2202)' |
| 19:52.51 | black_13 | i have just built a simple debian etch system with xorg, but i want to automatically login how would i do this? |
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| 19:53.13 | karmatronic | black_13: install a display manager |
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| 19:53.26 | nvz | black_13: install a display manager and configure it for auto login |
| 19:53.53 | mo1991 | zina tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2208 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2660/hpiod |
| 19:54.00 | black_13 | nvz would twm ? allow for this? |
| 19:54.01 | mo1991 | does that mean the hp printer driver? |
| 19:54.11 | mo1991 | zinx above |
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| 19:55.16 | nvz | black_13: has nothing to do with that. |
| 19:55.17 | black_13 | nvz, im trying to get this as small as possible kde gnome would add lot of space i dont have |
| 19:55.18 | nvz | black_13: are you starting X manually? |
| 19:55.19 | black_13 | no |
| 19:55.19 | nvz | black_13: then you already have a display manager |
| 19:55.20 | zinx | mo1991: dpkg -S hpoid |
| 19:55.20 | zinx | erh, iod, whatever. |
| 19:55.26 | nvz | black_13: kdm, gdm, wdm, xdm.. |
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| 19:55.37 | karmatronic | nvz: not always |
| 19:55.41 | nvz | black_13: the display manager is the grapical login screen |
| 19:56.13 | nvz | karmatronic: how would he be using X other than using a display manager or starting X from the command line? |
| 19:56.14 | black_13 | i looks like what is running is "xdm" |
| 19:56.18 | mo1991 | zinx hpoid not found |
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| 19:56.35 | nvz | I have no idea how XDM configuration works or if it supports auto login |
| 19:56.42 | nvz | I am only familiar with KDM and GDM |
| 19:57.01 | stew | xdm in debian doesn't support auto-login, you have to patch it |
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| 19:58.24 | black_13 | nvz, no problem you have given me some ideas an place to look |
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| 19:59.41 | karmatronic | nvz: would be fun to find out how to do that without display manager |
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| 20:02.00 | WorkRoey | hey guys |
| 20:02.30 | WorkRoey | I've just connected my new external USB disk to my laptop. How do I find out the device it's been allocated? I have not yet partitioned it. |
| 20:02.42 | shay | WorkRoey, dmesg |
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| 20:04.14 | rabe | hi |
| 20:04.16 | Zarephath | WorkRoey: If is is like my firewire drive...once formatted it should just show up on the desktop.. |
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| 20:04.30 | rabe | i want to install lyx |
| 20:04.47 | rabe | there a differnt apt packages which is the rifgt one? |
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| 20:04.55 | Zarephath | Where does gnome default to putting the wallpapers? I though .gnome2/share/ I was wrong |
| 20:04.58 | rabe | lyx-qt ? |
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| 20:05.09 | keith80403 | What's the URL for packages that have been removed for Etch that were in Sarge? |
| 20:05.12 | rabe | i use fluxbox filemanager |
| 20:05.19 | cahoot | rabe: if you want qt gui instead of xforms |
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| 20:05.43 | rabe | eehmm xformS? |
| 20:05.52 | rabe | you lost me? |
| 20:06.06 | Zarephath | Supaplex: Are you about? I have a radeon 9000 installed on my Mac..doing a net install as suggested the other day...should I choose ATI or fbdev for the time being? |
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| 20:06.23 | WorkRoey | shay: hey! |
| 20:06.24 | WorkRoey | shaykeh |
| 20:06.27 | cahoot | rabe: different looks - qt is visually nicer (there are some functional differences too IIRC) |
| 20:06.33 | WorkRoey | aww, hara shel baaya. |
| 20:06.50 | ma3x | hello, I'm trying to play 720p .mkv video, and it's saying my CPU is too slow. I tried all of the options offered by the mplayer CPU warning and it improved a bit, but then every 20 secs the audio goes out of sync. Is there a way to play the video somehow with resized resolution? because the original resolution is 1280:692 |
| 20:06.53 | WorkRoey | shay: dmesg shows a weird error |
| 20:06.54 | WorkRoey | something like |
| 20:07.06 | rabe | cahoot, ok than i choose qt thank you |
| 20:07.17 | WorkRoey | shay: device drscriptor read/64, error -71 |
| 20:07.26 | zinx | ma3x: get a faster processor, or reencode the h.264 to something that's easier on the cpu. |
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| 20:08.04 | WorkRoey | shay: didja see that? |
| 20:08.04 | ma3x | zinx: do I have to reencode it? is there no way to directly play it resized? |
| 20:08.14 | Supaplex | Zarephath: fbdev should be more compatible. try something, if it don't work, try ... something else. :) |
| 20:08.16 | zinx | ma3x: not any way that will make it easier on your CPU |
| 20:08.16 | cahoot | rabe: I suppose there are screeshots at lyx.org |
| 20:08.25 | WorkRoey | also, what's debian's policy on upgrading kernel as a part of doing apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 20:08.39 | WorkRoey | hey |
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| 20:08.51 | zinx | ma3x: h.264 is very very cpu-hungry |
| 20:08.54 | rabe | cahoot, i was not sure which one to choose there are lyx common, lyx ... |
| 20:08.56 | Zarephath | Supaplex: Ok thanks..I opted for ati just for grins... if I need to reconfigure what is the command? |
| 20:09.13 | bucky | WorkRoey, you misspelled descriptor |
| 20:09.13 | ma3x | zinx: how do I reencode it? |
| 20:09.21 | zinx | ma3x: google it :/ |
| 20:09.24 | Supaplex | No idea. I have fbdev :) ati wasn't an option, that must be new, or I missed it. |
| 20:09.39 | Zarephath | Supaplex: Kewl thanks again :-) |
| 20:10.10 | shay | WorkRoey, I think that is a usbserial error, I've seen it before |
| 20:10.14 | justin | rabe: just lyx would do, you probably want to install lyx-qt though |
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| 20:10.35 | shay | WorkRoey, you may fix it using the vendor=0x0000 and product=0x00000 options loading the kernel |
| 20:10.48 | rabe | justin, thank you i will try |
| 20:10.56 | shay | WorkRoey, check out google with the external USB disc, maybe you'll find it out |
| 20:11.08 | WorkRoey | oh |
| 20:11.08 | WorkRoey | hmm |
| 20:11.09 | shay | WorkRoey, (is it usbserial the module it trys to load?) |
| 20:11.15 | WorkRoey | let me check |
| 20:11.20 | shay | s/loading the kernel/loading the module/g |
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| 20:11.25 | WorkRoey | shay, I don't see usbserial |
| 20:11.27 | WorkRoey | shay: #israel? |
| 20:11.31 | WorkRoey | this place is too crowded |
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| 20:12.27 | bucky | WorkRoey, do you have a wireless dongle ? |
| 20:12.42 | WorkRoey | em no |
| 20:12.48 | WorkRoey | I do not |
| 20:12.50 | WorkRoey | bucky: it's a disk |
| 20:13.01 | WorkRoey | it's an external disk enclosure I bought separately from the disk drive |
| 20:13.03 | bucky | WorkRoey, are the connectors ok? |
| 20:13.05 | WorkRoey | it's a 2.5" disk drive |
| 20:13.16 | WorkRoey | bucky: I assume so, since lshw shows a lot of USB2 information. |
| 20:13.20 | WorkRoey | it just gives this error: |
| 20:13.22 | WorkRoey | a lot: |
| 20:13.25 | justin | disk drive != serial port |
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| 20:13.34 | WorkRoey | device descriptor read/64, error -71 |
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| 20:13.35 | WorkRoey | and then: |
| 20:13.44 | WorkRoey | scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
| 20:13.51 | WorkRoey | I've googled it |
| 20:13.58 | WorkRoey | haven't found anything useful yet. |
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| 20:14.16 | route_ | damn you ppl, google is _NOT A FUCKING VERB!!!_ |
| 20:14.22 | g333k_work | hi, how can I modify the content of the gdm login window? |
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| 20:14.27 | Ronin | route_: it is now a days |
| 20:14.30 | route_ | Sorry, turrettes of the fingers. |
| 20:14.46 | route_ | But seriously, it's not a verb at all. Never has been, never will be. |
| 20:14.48 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: lets restart from 0: What enclosure did you buy ? |
| 20:14.57 | route_ | It's a poor excuse for a search engine. |
| 20:14.57 | WorkRoey | ah |
| 20:15.02 | WorkRoey | one sec, I have the box here: |
| 20:15.07 | justin | route_: what is the name of the search engine you made? |
| 20:15.13 | WorkRoey | PowerSpec(c) Certified |
| 20:15.21 | route_ | justin I never named any of my search engines. |
| 20:15.23 | WorkRoey | USB 2.0 2.5" Ultra Slim External Hard Drive Enclosure |
| 20:15.32 | Ronin | poor excuse for a search engine? heh what do you suggest then |
| 20:15.33 | rahul | route_: dude, I googled it. google is a verb. |
| 20:15.39 | Ronin | rahul: heh |
| 20:15.40 | karmatronic | route_: the problem is not that it s not a verb , but it doesnt have synonyms |
| 20:15.49 | alleyoopster | hi everyone, are etch questions ok here? |
| 20:15.56 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: run lsmod. Do you see the module "usb_storage" ? |
| 20:16.03 | rahul | I'll show you a pile... |
| 20:16.05 | xand | nothing wrong with using "google" as a verb ;) |
| 20:16.09 | pumpkin0 | alleyoopster: yes. just ask, don't ask to ask. |
| 20:16.19 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: I did not see it loaded, even after I had plugged the drive in, so I loaded it manually |
| 20:16.19 | xand | route_: please explain what "ppl" means |
| 20:16.33 | rahul | pacific power and light |
| 20:16.34 | route_ | xand sound it out. |
| 20:16.38 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: could this thing not be usb2 compliant?!? |
| 20:16.40 | Ronin | im still curious if route_ considers google a poor excuse for a search engihe what a good one would be |
| 20:16.53 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: there is this giant lettering: |
| 20:16.59 | p3er | why am i gettin this error: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5113/untitledwu0.png |
| 20:17.01 | rahul | or maybe it's pennsylvania |
| 20:17.02 | WorkRoey | powerspec(c) certified. |
| 20:17.02 | xand | route_: don't go round claiming that words aren't verbs |
| 20:17.05 | WorkRoey | I don't see a USB2 logo anywhere. |
| 20:17.08 | p3er | can someone tell me why |
| 20:17.08 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: did you see the module "scsi_mod" ? |
| 20:17.22 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: USB or firewire cables ? |
| 20:17.30 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: yes I see this module |
| 20:17.32 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: usb |
| 20:17.37 | rahul | route_: verbing nouns is, btw, a perfectly normal thing in language |
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| 20:17.45 | route_ | Google DOES have some useful services, but their regular search engine is crap. The results it comes back with are rarely related to what you searched for, although they ARE getting better than they used to be. |
| 20:17.50 | xand | indeed |
| 20:17.52 | karsten | pumpkin0: verbing a noun doesn't make it one. |
| 20:18.02 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: ipsgproducts.com |
| 20:18.10 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: the drive spins up and acts normaly ? |
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| 20:18.14 | Ronin | route_: so then what do you suggest/use |
| 20:18.25 | alleyoopster | setting up rt2500 wireless on etch, used serialmonkey.com guide and used module-assistant to build. rt2500 module loads ok and shows up in ifconfig. assign it an ipadress and network manager picks it up, but cannot connect. any ideas? |
| 20:18.26 | route_ | Ronin depends on what I'm looking for. |
| 20:18.31 | rahul | he uses myspace to find information |
| 20:18.32 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: it's a 2.5" laptop drive, so I don't know how much response to expect. It does genrate heat though |
| 20:18.35 | p3er | !paste |
| 20:18.36 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:18.40 | Ronin | p3er: tried removing secsup.org from your source list? |
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| 20:18.45 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: I jsut can't feel it vibrating |
| 20:18.49 | xand | route_: anyway, did you have a debian question? |
| 20:18.52 | karsten | pumpkin0: ... that's called "karstening" BTW. |
| 20:18.52 | route_ | If I'm looking for something linux specific, and I can't find it immediately on dogpile, I'll admit, I do use google.com/linux |
| 20:18.52 | p3er | why remove? |
| 20:19.07 | p3er | Ronin, why remove? |
| 20:19.14 | pumpkin0 | karsten: ? |
| 20:19.44 | Ronin | p3er: because for whatever reason its not working right now according to your screenshot |
| 20:19.45 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: one of these http://ipsgproducts.com/products/external_storage/external_storage.html ? |
| 20:19.55 | p3er | i see |
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| 20:20.09 | p3er | well, sometimes, the main one doesn't work either |
| 20:20.15 | route_ | xand yes, I do have a Debian question... |
| 20:20.16 | Zarephath | Supaplex: Just so you know ATI worked...damned Debian..can't it fsck anything up? lol |
| 20:20.32 | route_ | xand My question is as follows... Why is Debian the best distro ever made? |
| 20:20.32 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: like http://ipsgproducts.com/products/external_storage/Usbhdenclosure_013805.html but for 2.5" |
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| 20:20.43 | stew | route_: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 20:21.19 | route_ | stew I already know it's the best distro ever... Just throwing that question out there. :-) |
| 20:21.31 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: I don't see a USB logo on the packaging |
| 20:21.40 | manimi | apt-get dist-upgrade gives me mplayer kept back, apt-get install -t unstable gives me mplayer is already the latest version |
| 20:21.46 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: unplug the thing, wait 5 sec. plug it back in, wiat 10 secs. Do "dmesg". Do you get the line "usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning" ? |
| 20:21.55 | manimi | help? |
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| 20:21.57 | stew | route_: i'm just throwing out the answer to your question |
| 20:22.06 | route_ | NEwaze, gotta go hop in the shower. |
| 20:22.27 | xand | "newaze" is NOT a word! |
| 20:22.33 | nvz | route_: sounds dangerous |
| 20:22.41 | pumpkin0 | manimi: there are 2 mplayer packages: one from the multimedia-repos and one from offical debian-repos. You may have a problem with that ... |
| 20:22.47 | rahul | it's new age, not newaze.... |
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| 20:22.54 | rahul | whatever that means, anyway. |
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| 20:23.07 | karsten | xand: I prefer @dn/de |
| 20:23.16 | karsten | xand: ... where those are greek deltas. |
| 20:23.21 | karsten | xand: ... that's the n/e rate. |
| 20:23.24 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: I just see the device descriptor read/64, error -71 immediately. |
| 20:23.26 | nvz | hopping in the shower sounds dangerous, you could slip and fall or something |
| 20:23.27 | xand | er |
| 20:23.29 | Ronin | heh doesnt like google as a verb but they use newaze? |
| 20:23.43 | nvz | I generally keep both feet firmly planted in the shower |
| 20:23.50 | WorkRoey | oh |
| 20:23.51 | WorkRoey | yew |
| 20:23.51 | WorkRoey | yes |
| 20:23.53 | WorkRoey | I do see it |
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| 20:24.04 | WorkRoey | :P |
| 20:24.08 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: yes I do see it. |
| 20:24.10 | karsten | !tell WorkRoey about enter |
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| 20:24.17 | alleyoopster | anyone with the wireless problem? |
| 20:24.17 | manimi | pumpkin0 thank u |
| 20:24.20 | WorkRoey | karsten: heh |
| 20:24.21 | WorkRoey | thanks |
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| 20:24.22 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:24.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:24.44 | pumpkin0 | is there a simple, console based tool to remove treble and add a bit of bass from a wav/MP3-file ? |
| 20:25.01 | rahul | pumpkin0: mixing is a simple thing? |
| 20:25.13 | karmatronic | abrotman: do "you" have a script that automatically does that :) |
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| 20:25.20 | abrotman | karmatronic: no |
| 20:25.24 | alleyoopster | guess I'll go and google |
| 20:25.30 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: about 10 lines down it should say: "sd 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb". do you see that one too ? |
| 20:25.43 | karsten | karmatronic: Yes, it's called abrotman |
| 20:25.50 | L4m3r | does anyone know how to make a laptop's scroll buttons work? |
| 20:25.52 | karsten | abrotman: How's chilly philly? |
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| 20:25.59 | rahul | scroll buttons? |
| 20:26.04 | alleyoopster | L4m3r: press it |
| 20:26.05 | rahul | pgup/pgdown? |
| 20:26.13 | stew | pumpkin0: probably sox |
| 20:26.18 | karsten | L4m3r: What laptop, which scroll buttons? Up/down arrows, pgup/pgdown, what? |
| 20:26.22 | abrotman | karsten: it's only 20F today .... windchill probably at 5F if i had to guess .. better than my mom who had -30F windchill this AM |
| 20:26.24 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: it says nothing about "attached scsi removable disk" |
| 20:26.40 | L4m3r | the pseudo-scroll wheel buttons |
| 20:26.40 | pumpkin0 | rahul: a simple "kill everything with a frequency lower then X and higher then Y will do. |
| 20:26.43 | alleyoopster | L4m3r: normally press a funtion key first |
| 20:26.47 | pumpkin0 | stew: thanks, will look at it. |
| 20:26.49 | rahul | pumpkin0: _everything_? |
| 20:27.00 | abrotman | karsten: i was wrong .. weather.com says 16F but feels 0F |
| 20:27.04 | karsten | abrotman: 55F, 76% humidity, light haze, and the QM2's in town. |
| 20:27.09 | pumpkin0 | rahul: everything in that wav-file ... |
| 20:27.12 | JarJarBinks|meta | abrotman: I got 10 K here :) |
| 20:27.14 | L4m3r | this particular touchpad has one with four directions. up registers as LMB, down as RMB, and sides as middle clicks |
| 20:27.17 | rahul | if I knew the mpeg audio format, you could just kill those frequencies |
| 20:27.27 | karsten | 13C for metric weenies. |
| 20:27.29 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: can you get the dmesg-log into a pastebin ? |
| 20:27.42 | abrotman | karsten: so i saw |
| 20:27.51 | JarJarBinks|meta | -263 C for metric weenies |
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| 20:28.18 | abrotman | eh .. Kelvin is metric |
| 20:28.27 | DemonJester | 10F here without wind chill |
| 20:28.43 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: it'd take time to copy the stuff |
| 20:28.59 | abrotman | isn't it ? |
| 20:29.01 | karsten | abrotman: I saw ... the traffic. Took a !@#$%^&*() hour to get 2 miles from GG park to the bridge Sun pm. |
| 20:29.05 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: "dmesg > log" => upload the file log |
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| 20:29.24 | L4m3r | I would assume that configuring the scroll buttons would not be unlike setting up a mouse with a four-way scroll wheel |
| 20:29.32 | karsten | abrotman: Yes, it is, though I'm not sure which is the "official" ISO unit. |
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| 20:30.10 | karsten | L4m3r: There's probably a mouseish config for that. Again, laptop model would help. |
| 20:30.44 | L4m3r | oh... Acer Travelmate 6460 |
| 20:31.49 | karsten | L4m3r: Now google "acer travelmate 6480 mouse buttons linux" |
| 20:31.55 | karsten | rm. 6460. |
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| 20:32.10 | p3er | why am i gettin this error: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5113/untitledwu0.png ? |
| 20:32.11 | karsten | L4m3r: ... which is what one of us would have to do for you anyhow. |
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| 20:32.55 | L4m3r | I've tried that, and the (more generic) tutorials haven't helped much |
| 20:32.56 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: http://rafb.net/p/2i17B575.html |
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| 20:33.15 | WorkRoey | pumpkin0: sorry, was away typing this up |
| 20:33.28 | WorkRoey | bhaal: you know in Hebrew your nick means "master" |
| 20:33.29 | L4m3r | I've gotten as far as trying xev to probe the buttons, but they come up as regular mouse clicks |
| 20:33.32 | WorkRoey | also "husband" |
| 20:33.37 | WorkRoey | and "business owner" |
| 20:33.38 | bucky | WorkRoey, you don't cut and paste |
| 20:33.52 | L4m3r | WorkRoey: those jewish sexists :P |
| 20:33.55 | WorkRoey | bucky: I couldn't cut and paste, I had to type it up. |
| 20:33.59 | WorkRoey | L4m3r: haha |
| 20:34.24 | karsten | L4m3r: Prolly want to do some translate stuff in your xorg.conf |
| 20:34.27 | WorkRoey | Oh my God, there are 724 people here. |
| 20:34.56 | p3er | why am i gettin this error: http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5113/untitledwu0.png ? |
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| 20:35.24 | karsten | p3er: third-party linkage? |
| 20:35.33 | pumpkin0 | WorkRoey: i guess that box has some special features. Tell scsi_mod to scan it a bit more by doing (echo "10" > /sys/module/scsi_mod/parameters/max_luns). And retry. |
| 20:35.42 | karsten | p3er: A lot of image sites don't allow off-site linkage and check the referrer header. |
| 20:36.07 | karsten | p3er: ... or the image doesn't exist and you've goofed the link. |
| 20:36.31 | pumpkin0 | karsten: the image is there, but it is loading dead slow |
| 20:36.35 | karmatronic | p3er: run apt-get update |
| 20:36.49 | karsten | p3er: ... or I've pasted your link w/ a space and question mark included ... |
| 20:36.56 | pumpkin0 | p3er: the mirror you are using has some major problems. switch to another mirror. |
| 20:36.58 | p3er | karmatronic, that's what im doing |
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| 20:37.09 | karsten | p3er: For gods sake, dude, use a pastebin for console messages. |
| 20:37.15 | p3er | i switched, and got the same shit |
| 20:37.26 | karsten | p3er: ... re-run aptitude-update |
| 20:37.35 | pumpkin0 | p3er: switched to which mirror ? |
| 20:37.39 | karsten | !tell p3er about aptitude |
| 20:37.57 | p3er | pumpkin0, most of them |
| 20:37.58 | karsten | p3er: There's times mirrors don't respond well, try again later. |
| 20:38.21 | p3er | fuck it, ill try again later |
| 20:38.25 | pumpkin0 | p3er: i don't know any mirror called "most". |
| 20:38.59 | Zarephath | Supaplex: Does DRC need to be enable to get sound? |
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| 20:40.31 | p3er | pumpkin0, everything that ends with "/debian" |
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| 20:41.35 | pumpkin0 | p3er: the mirror has a problem, you have to change the http://something.somewhere.someTLD part. |
| 20:41.49 | p3er | i did |
| 20:42.04 | p3er | i used like 8 mirrors already |
| 20:42.09 | p3er | and got the same shit |
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| 20:43.34 | justin | p3er: use http.us.debian.org |
| 20:44.07 | Supaplex | Zarephath: No idea. |
| 20:45.22 | pumpkin0 | p3er: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list ... |
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| 20:51.07 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 20:51.23 | xand | ? |
| 20:51.31 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: n8 |
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| 20:52.02 | thelostbutler | hello folks can some one explain why this error message could appear on a system on and off ? http://rafb.net/p/jTaAiF54.html |
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| 20:58.30 | naitram | got etch net install, only available is i386 version. Want to upgrade the kernal, can i use a i686 kernal or should i match kernal with distribution (386) |
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| 20:58.52 | mrkris | Is anyone having any trouble doing a debian install today? |
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| 20:59.00 | naitram | I actually have a 686 machine |
| 20:59.27 | pumpkin0 | naitram: you can use the 686 w/o any problems. |
| 20:59.34 | naitram | mrkris: I have been for several days, try another mirror |
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| 20:59.46 | naitram | pumpkin0: thanks |
| 20:59.51 | delire | i'm getting a "217.160.253.84:24441 TimeoutError:" with Pyzor. i've tested this on two networks on two laptops (sid and etch), neither of which has this port blocked. any ideas? |
| 20:59.52 | mrkris | naitram: going on 4th mirror. |
| 21:00.19 | delire | googling around reveals many dangling threads on this topic. |
| 21:00.25 | pumpkin0 | mrkris: sarge or etch ? |
| 21:00.30 | mrkris | sarge |
| 21:00.49 | RvGaTe | I have this anying thing within debian etch, whenever i hit the quit button on xfce, i get presented with 3 choices... "Logout" "Restart" and "Shut down"... whenever i click Restart or Shutdown, i need to enter a password, when i enter my root password it says access denied, same with my normal user password... now i would like to have those buttons working... and i have no idea how to fix it... |
| 21:01.28 | naitram | mrkris: well i did a net upgrade distribution today via, ftp.egr.msu.edu, it did take a good long while but got everything |
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| 21:01.42 | mrkris | naitram: awesome, I'll try that, thanks |
| 21:01.46 | abaddon | sendmail question : any idea why define(`SMTP_MAILER_MAXMSGS',`5')dnl doesnt work as expected? im sending a test message and simulating as a mail server with netcat, but the sending server doesnt stop at 5 receipients, it just continues sending me the whole <big> list, am i expecting the wrong behaviour? is that setting just informative? |
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| 21:03.09 | asg | abaddon: #sendmail might know |
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| 21:03.54 | abrotman | RvGaTe: do you use GDM ? |
| 21:04.08 | RvGaTe | abrotman, think so, yes |
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| 21:05.06 | dirkson | Hey all. I'm trying to set up an SSH account so that anyone, anywhere, can log into it without a password. How would I manage that? |
| 21:05.12 | rpc | hm why doesn't scp work as expected? i wish to send a file to a remote host with: scp -P xxxx user@remote filename and it doesn't work |
| 21:05.19 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: what in the world is the point of that? |
| 21:05.36 | delire | dirkson: use an ssh agent is your closest bet. |
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| 21:06.10 | dondelelcaro | if you really want anyone to be able to logon, you can always specify an empty password |
| 21:06.11 | delire | dirkson: give them all a key and they use ssh-add. i don't see the point of doing this though.. |
| 21:06.27 | dirkson | dondelelcaro, I've got the bash enviroment set to ncmpc, and mpc streaming to the internet. I intend to use a guest account as a remote control. |
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| 21:06.35 | dan2 | asg! |
| 21:06.59 | dendrite | dirkson: Can't you just set the login shell to the remote control app, and forget the overhead of ssh? |
| 21:07.09 | dirkson | delire, I'm assuming they'll never have heard of me before logging in, so distrubing a key isn't too great. |
| 21:07.22 | delire | dirkson: oh.. ok. well that's madness ;) |
| 21:07.36 | dirkson | dendrite, Oooh, clever! So when they /try/ to log in via ssh, they get the control app instead? |
| 21:07.40 | dondelelcaro | dirkson: why not just have a telnet server running on some port? |
| 21:07.48 | dendrite | dirkson: Just telnet. |
| 21:08.12 | dendrite | dirkson: set up an account, set the shell up to be your app, and have folks telnet in. |
| 21:08.15 | dirkson | dendrite, dondelelcaro, You're right. Then even windows users could use it, eh? ;) |
| 21:08.32 | delire | rpc: your command is wrong: scp filename -P <port> user@remote:. |
| 21:08.42 | dondelelcaro | well, windows users could use it regardless, but it would make it easier for them |
| 21:09.03 | rpc | delire oh damn, so filename goes first? the scp help says something different, i'm confused |
| 21:09.19 | rpc | thank you, trying now |
| 21:09.24 | dirkson | dondelelcaro, I don't know which windows users you're supporting, but mine wouldn't know how to install putty if I did it for them :D |
| 21:09.56 | rpc | delire heh it doesn't work |
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| 21:10.39 | dendrite | dirkson: If you use telnetd, the thing you want to make sure of is that *only* that account can telnet in. |
| 21:10.42 | dondelelcaro | rpc: you want scp foofile user@remote#<port:. |
| 21:10.46 | dondelelcaro | s/<// |
| 21:10.53 | rpc | wrong again :) |
| 21:10.57 | rpc | just figured it out |
| 21:11.05 | dirkson | dendrite, That was going to be paramount, yes : ) |
| 21:11.06 | dondelelcaro | or use the -P option |
| 21:11.06 | delire | rpc: well it works here just fine as i wrote it above. |
| 21:11.07 | rpc | scp -P port file user@remote:. |
| 21:11.18 | RvGaTe | abrotman, ? |
| 21:11.23 | rpc | there is something wrong with scp, on each host it works diff |
| 21:11.31 | dendrite | dirkson: You may be able to hack something up with netcat, to avoid telnetd entirely... |
| 21:11.52 | rpc | thank you guys, i finally figured it out thus it's really strange that it needs a diff syntax |
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| 21:12.01 | rpc | though* |
| 21:12.01 | dirkson | dendrite, netcat? |
| 21:12.20 | delire | rpc: it shouldn't be any different from host to host. i use scp to move files between several machines. |
| 21:12.32 | dondelelcaro | ah, it's :22: now, not #22; used to be at one point. |
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| 21:12.35 | delire | .. means |
| 21:12.39 | dondelelcaro | !dict impute |
| 21:12.41 | dpkg | Dictionary 'impute' (3 of 10): It was imputed to him for righteousness. --Rom. iv. 22. ;; attribute or credit to; "We attributed this quotation to Shakespeare"; "People impute great cleverness to cats" ;; attribute (responsibility or fault) to a cause or source; "The teacher imputed the student's failure to his nervousness". |
| 21:12.42 | dirkson | dendrite, I think telnet is as hack-ey as I want to get. If I /really/ wanted to go intense, I could hook up apache and some scripts and have an html interface |
| 21:13.00 | delire | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 21:13.11 | bluerabbit | looking for a way fpr my apache/web server to show norwegin letter ? what controlls this? |
| 21:13.23 | Guerin | bluerabbit: locale |
| 21:13.39 | dondelelcaro | bluerabbit: it will show such letters if the page is encoded in an appropriate encoding, like UTF8. |
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| 21:13.47 | dondelelcaro | bluerabbit: it has nothing to do with apache. |
| 21:13.51 | Zarephath | xmms problem streaming audio with xmms...deb-powerpc...output plugin is set to use OSS driver currently..xmms tries to playback streamed audio using streamtuner as the interface to select the station..I am sure I am missing a package..which one? |
| 21:13.53 | bluerabbit | Guerin, I see |
| 21:13.58 | abrotman | RvGaTe: there's an option to make the Action menu not ask for a password |
| 21:14.02 | Guerin | bluerabbit: in httpd config |
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| 21:14.18 | bluerabbit | Guerin, looking |
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| 21:19.20 | delire | rpc: FYI a little known fact: you can also 'reversely' scp a file to your local machine with 'scp user@remote:/path/to/file /local/path/' |
| 21:19.26 | bluerabbit | Guerin, local...what am I looking for exactly ? |
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| 21:19.38 | Wazm | that's a secret |
| 21:20.09 | RvGaTe | abrotman, you want to hear my next big question? :P |
| 21:20.18 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:20.34 | stranger_ | hello |
| 21:20.40 | delire | howdy stranger_ |
| 21:20.59 | RvGaTe | abrotman, damn, becouse i have no idea where to find that option.. |
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| 21:21.30 | abrotman | RvGaTe: gdmsetup maybe ? or whatever it is called "gdm<tab><tab>" |
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| 21:21.52 | abrotman | !find gdmsetup etch |
| 21:21.52 | stranger_ | trying to find a room to discuss openft and Gnutella issues when running apollon on debian |
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| 21:22.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gdmsetup' (1): (/usr/sbin/gdmsetup, /usr/share/gdm/gdmsetup.glade, /usr/share/applications/gdmsetup.desktop) in gnome/gdm. |
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| 21:22.09 | delire | bbl |
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| 21:23.01 | Ny-Ty | hi |
| 21:23.09 | Ny-Ty | please where is package nvidia-glx ? |
| 21:23.34 | h3sp4wn | non-free |
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| 21:24.54 | RvGaTe | abrotman, hmm... not in the gdmsetup... |
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| 21:25.58 | Guerin | bluerabbit: CharSet |
| 21:26.21 | abrotman | RvGaTe: SecureGDMMenu .. or something ilke that .. ask me when i'm at home |
| 21:26.24 | nanoed | RvGaTe: Maybe cutting the password to just 8 chars? It used to work in the old times... |
| 21:26.51 | RvGaTe | nanoed, funny, its exactly 8 ;) |
| 21:27.37 | nanoed | oh |
| 21:28.01 | RvGaTe | abrotman, when will you be home ? |
| 21:28.13 | abrotman | later :) |
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| 21:28.19 | RvGaTe | o'rly? :P |
| 21:28.19 | skyowner | elo |
| 21:28.34 | skyowner | do you know a program to make dvd from several avi files ? |
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| 21:32.46 | nweaver916 | Hey guys, here to see if anyone has ever used SVN to store documents in .doc or .xls formats (SVN reports them as binary) |
| 21:32.57 | nweaver916 | or if there is a better rev control system for office docs |
| 21:33.00 | ugly | I had to kill a process (deluge-torrent), and now there are 120 leftover connections that won't "die" - is there any way to close the connection manually? |
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| 21:33.22 | nweaver916 | ugly...maybe down the interface real quick? |
| 21:33.23 | skyowner | ugly: perhaps with a tool like ettrecap |
| 21:33.29 | x_link | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade OR aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
| 21:33.34 | x_link | Which one is best to use? |
| 21:33.41 | ugly | nweaver916: well, this computer is across the atlantic, so I don't want to risk that :D |
| 21:33.47 | skyowner | x_link, u ave to use them both :) |
| 21:33.51 | ugly | skyowner: I'll look into it |
| 21:34.04 | ugly | I'd rather not reboot, but guess I may |
| 21:34.05 | x_link | skyowner: So I must do aptitude update and apt-get update? |
| 21:34.07 | skyowner | Sniff connection, view conection |
| 21:34.08 | x_link | Why? |
| 21:34.16 | skyowner | and afetr selecting them Kill Connection |
| 21:34.27 | ugly | ah |
| 21:34.37 | skyowner | x_link, no you have to to apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... |
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| 21:34.51 | RvGaTe | abrotman, looks like its xfce specific... |
| 21:35.04 | skyowner | ok noone no a soft i can use to make dvd image ? |
| 21:35.14 | karsten | nweaver916: There is support in SVN for binary file storage, but it's not particularly elegant. You don't get the capabilities you would with textfile storage, say. There are also tools within MS Office for managing revisions, most of which don't port well and pretty much completely suck. |
| 21:35.42 | RvGaTe | skyowner, no-one is a big word, you just asked your question 7 minutes ago |
| 21:35.45 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 21:35.56 | x_link | skyowner: I know.. you didn't read my whole question =) |
| 21:35.57 | DemonJester | karsten: just like the rest of the MS suite ;-) at least they are consistent! |
| 21:36.10 | x_link | Should I use aptitude update/upgrade or apt-get update/upgrade? |
| 21:36.15 | x_link | Is aptitude better to use or apt-get ? |
| 21:36.28 | karsten | !tell x_link about aptitude |
| 21:36.47 | karsten | DemonJester: ayup. |
| 21:36.51 | x_link | karsten: Thanks ! |
| 21:37.33 | RvGaTe | whats the package called to have any gfx when booting, to have something like this: http://www.geofffox.com/MT/images/linux-boot.jpg |
| 21:38.14 | karsten | RvGaTe: framebuffer + a kernel with the boot image tux hack in it. |
| 21:39.07 | justin | RvGaTe: bootsplash? usplash? |
| 21:39.21 | kiba | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 21:39.21 | kiba | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 21:39.22 | kiba | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.22 | kiba | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.22 | kiba | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:39.34 | kiba | sorry |
| 21:39.46 | kiba | sorry if you did not heard me |
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| 21:40.01 | kiba | I got an error something about locale setting and stuff |
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| 21:40.14 | karsten | RvGaTe: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/linux/linux-kernel/2003-19/0648.html |
| 21:40.20 | kiba | and it bug me a lot |
| 21:40.48 | karsten | kiba: export LC_ALL=C in ~/.bashrc |
| 21:40.55 | karsten | !tell kiba about paste |
| 21:41.03 | Ny-Ty | if i installs nvidia drivers |
| 21:41.06 | Ny-Ty | it wants to me nvidia kernel |
| 21:41.15 | Ny-Ty | and nvidia kernel common |
| 21:41.17 | karsten | !tell kiba about locales |
| 21:41.18 | Ny-Ty | where i can get it ? |
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| 21:41.22 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 21:41.22 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 21:41.30 | karsten | !tell Ny-Ty about enter |
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| 21:43.04 | kiba | well... |
| 21:43.37 | AussieHatter | how can i put a list of all the files in a directory into a text file ? |
| 21:43.45 | kiba | well.......dpkg-reconfigure locales doesn't seem to work |
| 21:43.47 | karsten | AussieHatter: ls > file |
| 21:44.07 | karsten | AussieHatter: ... and buy yourself a basic shell howto. |
| 21:44.17 | Ny-Ty | huh |
| 21:44.19 | Ny-Ty | it`s EASY |
| 21:44.19 | DemonJester | lol |
| 21:44.21 | Ny-Ty | i like NVIDIA |
| 21:44.21 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 21:44.24 | AussieHatter | karsten: thx |
| 21:44.39 | justin | karsten: nonono, that isn't how you do it at all! |
| 21:44.45 | karsten | Ny-Ty: <enter> is *not* punctuation. |
| 21:45.05 | chafe | is there an on-screen keyboard? |
| 21:45.23 | karsten | chafe: Not generically. |
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| 21:45.28 | justin | karsten: you run ls | lpr, take a picture of the output, import it with gphoto, then convert it to text with gocr! |
| 21:45.44 | chafe | karsten what do you mean |
| 21:45.48 | chafe | thanks pickcoder |
| 21:46.16 | DemonJester | justin: that sounds so much easier ;-) |
| 21:46.34 | pickcoder | chafe: gok |
| 21:46.46 | pickcoder | for Gnome |
| 21:47.08 | chafe | ok yea im gonna use that one |
| 21:48.22 | karsten | justin: No: ls | mpage -16 | ps2pdf /dev/stdin /dev/stdout | pdftoppm | ppmtojpeg | jpegtopnm | pnmtotiff | ocrtotext | festival |
| 21:48.36 | stew | really? |
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| 21:48.56 | karsten | Moibius-tape. |
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| 21:51.12 | chreekat | I'm trying to install gforge-theme-starterpack, but aptitude says that its dependencies "[are] not installable", even though they are installed. I'd file a bugreport, but I'm not sure to whom it would belong |
| 21:51.13 | chreekat | Oh you know what, lemme check something |
| 21:51.48 | stew | chreekat: put the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 gforge-theme-starterpack foo1 foo2" where foo1 and foo2 are the dependencies in question |
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| 21:53.53 | olsen | hi |
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| 21:54.38 | olsen | ive installed debian etch, im really impressed with it, but i have some problems with my source.list |
| 21:54.43 | olsen | can someone help me? |
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| 21:55.23 | karsten | !tell olsen about ask |
| 21:55.24 | karsten | olsen: Just ask |
| 21:55.44 | olsen | karsten: well, in the installation the mirrors couldnt resolve |
| 21:55.45 | olsen | karsten: and i said "no" |
| 21:55.58 | olsen | karsten: i wanted to install software |
| 21:56.06 | olsen | karsten: but apt-cache search foo can't find anything |
| 21:56.13 | olsen | karsten: i think i need to put something in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:56.25 | karsten | olsen: apt-setup |
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| 21:56.56 | stew | he's on etch, there is no apt-setup |
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| 21:57.22 | olsen | karsten: i dont have that command |
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| 21:57.34 | craigevil | olsen chances are the install only put the cd in your sources.list |
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| 21:57.50 | fredl | hey guys, when I put "request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, host-name;" in my /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, how can it be that for one (external) interface I do get 'routers' but for the other external interface I don't get the 'routers' |
| 21:58.09 | stew | olsen: edit /etc/apt/sources.list ; add a mirror: /msg dpkg mirrors ; then run "apt-get update" |
| 21:58.19 | olsen | stew: ok |
| 21:58.22 | fredl | will some ISP's ignore what you're asking them and give you everything anyway? |
| 21:58.28 | karsten | olsen: echo "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:58.31 | fredl | I mean ISP's DHCP servers. |
| 21:58.43 | chreekat | stew: NM, I know the trouble |
| 21:59.05 | karsten | olsen: ... then: aptitude update; aptitude install apt-setup; apt-setup |
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| 21:59.35 | olsen | karsten: ok |
| 21:59.44 | olsen | karsten: thats working, thanks :) |
| 21:59.56 | fredl | see, I have eth0 and eth2, both are connected to a different ISP. When I ifup eth0 I *do* get a default route, when I ifup eth2 I *don't* get a default route. |
| 22:00.07 | stew | karsten: there is no such pacakge |
| 22:00.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | After one has compiled the kernel with make-kpkg, where are the .debs supposed to be? |
| 22:00.23 | karsten | stew: as? |
| 22:00.24 | SzArAk | one dir up |
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| 22:00.34 | stew | karsten: apt-setup |
| 22:00.42 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: propably it will be /usr/src/ |
| 22:00.46 | olsen | yeah i didnt find apt-setup |
| 22:01.03 | stew | olsen: it doesn't exist. edit sources.list by hand |
| 22:01.07 | karsten | olsen: aptitude install base-config; apt-setup |
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| 22:01.13 | olsen | ok |
| 22:01.14 | stew | karsten: it doesn't exist |
| 22:01.18 | stew | olsen: ignore him |
| 22:01.19 | karsten | stew: It's in base-config, my bad. |
| 22:01.26 | stew | karsten: that package doesn't exist |
| 22:01.42 | karsten | auto-apt search apt-setup : usr/sbin/apt-setupbase/base-config |
| 22:01.45 | stew | !+info base-config etch |
| 22:01.47 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:01.49 | dpkg | Package 'base-config' does not exist. |
| 22:01.53 | karsten | stew: Feh. |
| 22:02.14 | olsen | i really like debian, i always wanted a minimal distro with a good binary package management system, i think i found it :) |
| 22:02.15 | karsten | olsen: Sorry, dude, stuff changes ;-) |
| 22:02.23 | craigevil | edit it by hand or try apt-spy |
| 22:02.23 | olsen | karsten: np, thanks anyway :) |
| 22:02.27 | olsen | installation was really nice |
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| 22:02.41 | olsen | the ncurses based |
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| 22:02.53 | AussieHatter | stew: whare are you in the world ? |
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| 22:03.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: I didn't install them |
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| 22:03.09 | olsen | will always debian use the ncurses based installer? i think i like the ncurses one better than the graphical |
| 22:03.19 | stew | AussieHatter: Brooklyn,NY,USA |
| 22:03.32 | Guerin | olsen: it already has a gui installer, but there are no plans to get rid of the ncurses |
| 22:03.41 | karsten | olsen: It's likely. There are architectures which are supported which don't support graphics. |
| 22:03.42 | olsen | Guerin: the ncurses one rocks :D |
| 22:03.53 | olsen | karsten: yeh |
| 22:03.55 | stew | olsen: for the forseeable future. debian still ships on arches that don't support anything more than ncurses |
| 22:03.55 | karsten | olsen: Eg: mainframe, a bunch of embedded stuff, etc. |
| 22:03.57 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: no matter. when you have compiled a kernel, for instance from /usr/src/linux/ with make-kpkg it should be one dir up, it is /usr/src |
| 22:03.59 | Guerin | olsen: the gui is identical to the ncurses, it's just more shiny |
| 22:04.02 | olsen | karsten: yeh |
| 22:04.10 | AussieHatter | stew: what is your main job that feeds you ? |
| 22:04.23 | karsten | Guerin: Isn't that your motto? |
| 22:04.28 | karsten | Guerin: "More shiny!" ? |
| 22:04.33 | Guerin | karsten: hah |
| 22:04.39 | olsen | i dont know why i didnt try debian before :/ |
| 22:04.47 | olsen | it rocks |
| 22:04.50 | stew | AussieHatter: contract programming / system administration |
| 22:04.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: It's a vanilla kernel |
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| 22:05.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: And it's in my homedir |
| 22:05.12 | karsten | olsen: Yeah, takes a while to see the light sometimes, welcome aboard. |
| 22:05.12 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: still no matter. |
| 22:05.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: I used fakeroot |
| 22:05.42 | ctp_ | how to list all files a .deb would install? something like "apt-xxx xxx apache2"? i mean for not-installed packages. |
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| 22:05.57 | olsen | karsten: thanks ;p |
| 22:06.13 | stew | ctp_: if you have the deb, dpkg -c foo.deb ; if not, "apt-file list pacakgename", /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:06.22 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: so it should be one dir up. if not, propably in current dir. is it now there? |
| 22:06.29 | ctp_ | stew: ah, ok. thx ;-) |
| 22:06.33 | AussieHatter | stew: I am in Gosford, near Sydney, Australia. |
| 22:06.47 | AussieHatter | jm, was saying yesterday he is in Europe |
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| 22:06.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: Ah |
| 22:06.59 | Guerin | jm_ was in here? |
| 22:07.00 | Caelum | what's the command to get xmms title information from the command line? |
| 22:07.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: One dir up indeed :) |
| 22:07.10 | AussieHatter | jm_ : is always in here |
| 22:07.12 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: have you found it? |
| 22:07.13 | karsten | Caelum: xmms-shell |
| 22:07.13 | AussieHatter | as is stew |
| 22:07.15 | Guerin | Caelum: why would you use xmms for anything command-line? |
| 22:07.17 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: hehe :) as i told ya ;p |
| 22:07.19 | AussieHatter | and dondelelcaro |
| 22:07.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: :) |
| 22:07.33 | Caelum | karsten: thank you |
| 22:07.36 | AussieHatter | and chealer |
| 22:07.38 | Guerin | i haven't see jm_ in months |
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| 22:07.52 | reind | how can i check what package installed a file? |
| 22:07.58 | Guerin | reind: dpkg -S |
| 22:07.59 | stew | reind: dpkg -S filename |
| 22:08.00 | Caelum | Guerin: listening to internet radio (di.fm) just wanted a simple way to see what I'm listening to periodically |
| 22:08.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Though there are no source/headers packages |
| 22:08.08 | reind | ah, thanks Guerin & stew |
| 22:08.09 | Guerin | Caelum: use mplayer |
| 22:08.30 | AussieHatter | which has always been handy : - thanks Stew and jm and dondelelcaro and chealer :) |
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| 22:09.51 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: arent they created by other command? |
| 22:10.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: No idea |
| 22:10.07 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: make-kpkg kernel_headers or similar? |
| 22:10.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I didn't do that at least |
| 22:10.34 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: yes. they are :) make-kpkg kernel_headers |
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| 22:10.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: Get me one too |
| 22:11.06 | karsten | Dark_Apostrophe: They're all crazy. |
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| 22:12.11 | Daveman | heh |
| 22:12.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: Thanks :D |
| 22:12.53 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: no problem ;) |
| 22:13.17 | karsten | "So why did you call her 'Psycho'?" "Because she was." "How long did you date her?" "A year and a half." "Why did you date her that long?" "How do you think she got that way?" |
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| 22:13.44 | olsen | W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 22:13.44 | olsen | A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 22:13.44 | olsen | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 22:13.51 | Daemonik | I work at a small company and we're selling machines with Ubuntu GNU/linux pre-installed. We're setting up the Ubuntu section of our site and showing off OpenOffice and Firefox. Would it be in appropriate to use this logo http://fc01.deviantart.com/images2/i/2004/07/e/7/Firefox_dock_icon.png for the Firefox page? As in, is Mozilla going to attack us? |
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| 22:13.55 | karsten | olsen: /topic |
| 22:13.57 | stew | olsen: /topic |
| 22:13.58 | CakerX | sup debian |
| 22:14.07 | Daemonik | I ask in here because people in here tend to know shit. >_> |
| 22:14.20 | olsen | sorry |
| 22:14.25 | Ronin | Daemonik: talk to a lawyer :) |
| 22:14.30 | Daemonik | Damn |
| 22:14.36 | Daemonik | Eh I'll just use the boring logo then |
| 22:14.36 | karsten | Daemonik: You've apparently mistaken #debian for #mozilla-legal-department. |
| 22:14.37 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: they shouldn't |
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| 22:14.43 | olsen | anyone knows how can i fix that? |
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| 22:14.58 | stew | olsen: read the /topic: PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
| 22:15.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | SzArAk: ? |
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| 22:15.03 | Daemonik | karsten: <Daemonik> I ask in here because people in here tend to know shit. >_> |
| 22:15.04 | CakerX | if I manually entered an IP |
| 22:15.06 | karsten | !tell olsen about no pulbic key |
| 22:15.10 | CakerX | I gotta enter DNS servers too right? |
| 22:15.21 | karsten | Daemonik: ... may I introduce you to my good friend ... |
| 22:15.22 | Daemonik | You apparently mistook #Debian for #windows |
| 22:15.25 | karsten | Daemonik: ... sh*t. |
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| 22:15.43 | haggz | cakerx: yes static IP = manual dns so far as i know |
| 22:15.47 | karsten | !customer |
| 22:15.47 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 22:15.52 | sepski | Daemonik, nothing is worth legal issues, use a open/free logo and save you the headache worry. |
| 22:16.05 | karsten | sepski: He's gone. |
| 22:16.15 | sepski | karsten, i noticed |
| 22:16.19 | olsen | stew: thanks |
| 22:16.19 | sepski | (after i hit enter) |
| 22:16.20 | SzArAk | Dark_Apostrophe: sorry, not you |
| 22:16.32 | CakerX | so what to I put in my /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 22:16.47 | karsten | CakerX: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:17.16 | concept10 | Anyone have knowledge or know of xfire? Im wondering if this is compatible with gaim |
| 22:17.16 | CakerX | could you give me an example line so I don't have to dig through man |
| 22:17.29 | karsten | CakerX: There's an examples file under /usr/share/doc/ifupdown as well. The first coupld of entries should work for you. |
| 22:17.30 | CakerX | or at least a a web based version |
| 22:17.38 | CakerX | ok |
| 22:17.39 | CakerX | thanks |
| 22:18.37 | craigevil | concept10: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=841 |
| 22:18.40 | karsten | CakerX: echo -e "auto lo\niface lo inet loopback\n\nauth eth0\niface eth0 inet dhcp" should cover a number of cases, but there's a tad bit more to it if you want. |
| 22:19.45 | CakerX | meh, I am not using DHCP |
| 22:19.45 | madclicker | what tool can i use to move imap folder from one user into the Maildir folder of another user? |
| 22:19.51 | concept10 | craigevil, thanks. Do you use this? |
| 22:19.52 | CakerX | I am using a static IP for my linux box |
| 22:19.59 | CakerX | oh I see |
| 22:20.03 | craigevil | no just googled it when you asked |
| 22:20.11 | karsten | CakerX: Take a look at the example then, basic static IP config is straightforward. |
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| 22:24.28 | twobitsprite | why does reportbug seem to always tell me my package is out of date, but then apt-get tells me its the latest version? |
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| 22:24.42 | concept10 | Do you have to ./configure tarballs when uding checkinstall? |
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| 22:25.08 | karsten | twobitsprite: Clock skew? ;-) |
| 22:25.28 | twobitsprite | karsten: er... what's with the new g/f joke? trying to imply that I have no life because I sit on IRC all the time? |
| 22:25.32 | CakerX | I forgot to specify a gateway |
| 22:25.56 | Guerin | twobitsprite: i don't think he's *implying* |
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| 22:26.39 | karsten | twobitsprite: If that's WRT "core dumped", eg: "foo was dumped by his grilf". So I got core a new grilf. |
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| 22:26.53 | twobitsprite | karsten: ahhh... I get it :P |
| 22:26.54 | karsten | Guerin: Hush, and lend me your wife ;-) |
| 22:27.11 | abrotman | RvGaTe: if you say so |
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| 22:31.08 | michela | hi all, I'm trying to config apache 2.2 on Debian. Any idea what package you need for "DBDriver mysql"? |
| 22:31.32 | karsten | michela: apt-cache search apachy mysql |
| 22:31.38 | karsten | s/apachy/apache/ |
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| 22:32.21 | dirkson | Hey all. Top will tell me which one of my programs is chewing up memory and cpu time. How can I tell where my network bandwidth is going? |
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| 22:32.43 | Guerin | dirkson: ntop |
| 22:32.44 | abrotman | ntop |
| 22:32.55 | michela | did a search, but libapache2-mod-auth-mysql is all I can see... |
| 22:32.57 | dirkson | Guerin, Thanks! |
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| 22:33.17 | abrotman | !wb Bhaal |
| 22:33.17 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Bhaal has returned! |
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| 22:37.26 | olskolirc | ? |
| 22:37.36 | AussieHatter | dirkson: iptraf is good |
| 22:37.51 | AussieHatter | dirkson: and bwm |
| 22:38.05 | concept10 | I hate stinkin' tarballs |
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| 22:38.35 | dirkson | AussieHatter, Thanks : ) |
| 22:38.47 | AussieHatter | dirkson: np |
| 22:39.05 | enouf | iftop is also nice |
| 22:39.05 | AussieHatter | concept10: why ? |
| 22:39.44 | enouf | though haven't fired up ntop in a while .. lessee now |
| 22:39.59 | CakerX | how do I get debian to check for a sound card? |
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| 22:40.49 | concept10 | AussieHatter, even though you have the ./configure && make && make install - everyone has some different config crap that makes it a pain in the arse |
| 22:41.05 | haggz | cakerx: apt-get alsa-base alsa-utis; alsaconf finds and installs for most cases, i think |
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| 22:41.16 | haggz | cakerx: alsa-utils |
| 22:41.46 | CakerX | k |
| 22:41.46 | delire | enouf: iftop is nice. cheers. |
| 22:41.47 | kiba | svn: warning: 'Trunk/rbgooey/lib' is already under version control |
| 22:42.00 | kiba | why does svn think that file is under version control when it is not? |
| 22:42.11 | Guerin | !htfswk kiba |
| 22:42.11 | dpkg | kiba: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 22:43.26 | abrotman | kiba: ask #svn |
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| 22:43.48 | enouf | delire: bottoms up :-) .. someone mentioned it her the other day IIRC, or maybe another channel |
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| 22:43.55 | enouf | s/her/here |
| 22:45.58 | pickcoder | meh |
| 22:46.01 | Xnerde | Hi everyone. Im installing through netinstall 3.1r4 kernel 2.6.8-3(?) and stuck on the following message: "info: Switching console charst mapping to ISO-8859-1 INIT: Id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutos" Guess i did a bad choice when asked to chosse default ispell. any help? |
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| 22:46.16 | delire | enouf: hmm i could've used this for comparitive purposes while developing a network visualisation application recently.. |
| 22:47.06 | delire | enouf: instead i've been sitting on ethereal and 'watch netstat -tupa' throughout the development cycle. |
| 22:47.18 | enouf | delire: ever hear of ethape(or etherape)? .. see sourceforge.net .. pretty cool .. let's here more about your app and developement |
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| 22:47.27 | abrotman | delire: jnettop is interesting |
| 22:47.35 | delire | enouf: etherape is great. the app i wrote is http://packetgarden.com |
| 22:47.42 | enouf | :-) |
| 22:48.18 | enouf | delire: checking out .. |
| 22:48.20 | pickcoder | Xnerde: which console is that error shown? the install screen? |
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| 22:49.54 | delire | abrotman: looks good cheers. |
| 22:49.57 | enouf | delire: nice shit .. |
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| 22:50.22 | delire | enouf: thanks man ;) |
| 22:50.29 | lightcap | I'm looking at BTS and I don't see that this security advisory had been handled in stable: http://www.openssl.org/news/secadv_20060928.txt |
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| 22:50.53 | lightcap | Am I missing something? I got hit with a DoS attack last night and I'm 99% sure this is the culprit |
| 22:50.55 | enouf | delire: though the 2nd and 3rd screenshots remind me of hairy nipples .. O.o |
| 22:51.24 | lightcap | but updating my package still only gives openssl 0.9.7e-3sarge1 and it's only been fixed in 0.9.7l |
| 22:51.25 | enouf | delire: sincerely though, awesome .. thank you for your work! |
| 22:51.26 | grout | i just installed kde and gnome but when i hit startx gnomes starts, how can i change what desktop manager comes up when i type startx |
| 22:51.51 | rahul | grout: man xsession |
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| 22:51.53 | edgarin | hi people |
| 22:52.00 | delire | enouf: hehe cheers. hairy nipples and all. |
| 22:52.03 | grout | thanks |
| 22:52.25 | olskolirc | can i write bash scripts in qt designer? |
| 22:53.01 | abrotman | !tell lightcap about tracker of doom |
| 22:53.14 | olskolirc | abrotmannnnn |
| 22:53.20 | lightcap | thx abrotman |
| 22:53.35 | rahul | you can write bash scripts with cat |
| 22:53.45 | delire | hehe |
| 22:54.06 | enouf | delire: holy cow batman .. your site even works properly in links2 .. friggin fantabulous |
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| 22:54.11 | abrotman | lightcap: they may have backported the fix .. check security.debian.org ... they'll list the CVE if it addresses one |
| 22:54.14 | quik_ | hey folks |
| 22:54.30 | delire | enouf: it should be pretty w3c compliant. |
| 22:54.33 | quik_ | what do you all use for system monitoring (remote servers)? |
| 22:54.59 | abrotman | lightcap: http://www.debian.org/security/2006/dsa-1185 |
| 22:55.04 | lightcap | abrotman: but I was under the impression that putting the security.debian.org entry in sources.list would keep you more or less up to date... |
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| 22:55.20 | abrotman | lightcap: they backport fixes usually .. which they seem to have done in this case |
| 22:55.24 | Supaplex | quik_: nagios |
| 22:55.33 | olskolirc | can i write bash scripts in qt designer? |
| 22:55.44 | abrotman | why would you |
| 22:55.51 | Supaplex | quik_: well, actually I use zabbix, but... it has design issues. |
| 22:55.52 | lightcap | abrotman: so whats the best way to deal with the fact there's backports in addition to the security packages? |
| 22:55.54 | olskolirc | b/c its pretty |
| 22:56.06 | Ronin | abrotman: answer that one :) ^^ |
| 22:56.08 | lightcap | I didn't realize I needed to worry about the backports along with the security packages... |
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| 22:56.46 | lightcap | oh, wait: For the stable distribution (sarge) these problems have been fixed in version 0.9.7e-3sarge4. |
| 22:57.00 | pickcoder | lightcap: <g> yes |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | lightcap: right .. but if you're using backports .. you're on your own/at the mercy of the packager for backports.org |
| 22:57.14 | lightcap | interesting...according to openssl it's fixed in 0.9.7l |
| 22:57.23 | abrotman | lightcap: they *backported* the fix |
| 22:57.30 | pickcoder | lightcap: you can't go by source versions |
| 22:57.38 | pickcoder | search by vulnerability # |
| 22:57.40 | lightcap | *blinks* |
| 22:57.41 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 22:57.41 | dpkg | ok, listen up. "Stable" in debian terminology means "doesn't change". Stable is stable. Unstable, by definition is not, unless you don't update it, which means you're not up-to-date with security fixes. Either way, you're wrong, and you sound stupid, and you're giving a false impression of what sid is REALLY like. See <sid evangelism>. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
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| 22:58.14 | Xnerde | pickcoder: lauching from grub |
| 22:58.29 | quik_ | Cheers folks |
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| 22:58.34 | pickcoder | Xnerde: so you have completed the install and you can get to a shell? |
| 22:58.42 | lightcap | hmm, okay, I think I'm following... |
| 22:59.00 | abrotman | lightcap: do you subscribe the debian-security-announce mailing list or RSS feed ? |
| 22:59.05 | lightcap | jesus, though, I've been using debian for like 6 years...how'd I not follow that earlier |
| 22:59.17 | Xnerde | pickcoder: No. Think install was just completed and i had to reboot the laptop |
| 22:59.27 | lightcap | mailing list...but I tend to, erm, well, forget about it ;-) |
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| 22:59.35 | lightcap | RSS would be way better./ |
| 22:59.37 | CakerX | meh |
| 22:59.42 | delire | olskolirc: is what you're really asking "can i run bash scripts from interface events i write in qt designer?" |
| 22:59.47 | CakerX | what happened to inetd? |
| 22:59.47 | abrotman | the RSS feed isn't bad .. there's a link at security.debian.org for the RSS feed |
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| 23:00.44 | xand | CakerX: I don't know, what did happen to it? |
| 23:00.44 | lightcap | thanks, that's super useful |
| 23:01.03 | karsten | CakerX: xinetd? |
| 23:01.28 | twobitsprite | what's the command to search the bts? |
| 23:01.43 | prea | karsten: nl? |
| 23:01.56 | Ronin | !tell twobitsprite about bts |
| 23:02.03 | Xnerde | pickcoder: Wasn clear. Install was running and i did a reset. It was looping, trying and waiting. |
| 23:02.11 | karsten | prea: Nein. |
| 23:02.18 | lightcap | thanks abrotman |
| 23:02.19 | prea | karsten, okay ;) |
| 23:02.23 | abrotman | lightcap: enjoy |
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| 23:02.30 | karsten | prea: Nicht de auch. |
| 23:02.36 | abrotman | engrish! |
| 23:02.40 | twobitsprite | thanks |
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| 23:02.51 | karsten | abrotman: germlish! |
| 23:02.52 | enouf | spanglish! |
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| 23:03.02 | prea | spanklish! xD |
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| 23:04.13 | abrotman | karsten: shouldn't you be swimming ?> |
| 23:04.21 | karsten | abrotman: 4 hours |
| 23:04.36 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:04.42 | prea | have kids? |
| 23:04.45 | twobitsprite | hmm... either querybts or dialog messed up my terminal and now the cursor doesn't show |
| 23:04.51 | pickcoder | Xnerde: so you rebooted the machine before it finished installing? |
| 23:05.05 | Xnerde | pickcoder: During launch after grub |
| 23:05.17 | Xnerde | pickcoder: Yes |
| 23:05.20 | karsten | prea: Not that I'm aware of |
| 23:05.24 | prea | lol |
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| 23:05.36 | prea | figured :) |
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| 23:06.05 | Xnerde | pickcoder: Should i make a clean install? |
| 23:06.44 | stew | twobitsprite: try "reset" |
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| 23:07.21 | nopealicious | this might sound odd.. |
| 23:07.34 | nopealicious | but when i press ctrl+f in any app |
| 23:07.37 | nopealicious | nothing happens |
| 23:07.45 | twobitsprite | so... I haven't seen any reasonable responses as to why reportbug says a newer version is available when in fact apt-get says it is not |
| 23:07.46 | nopealicious | even tho it should pop the search screen with most apps |
| 23:07.49 | nopealicious | xorg that is^ |
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| 23:08.02 | nopealicious | any ideas what goes wrong? |
| 23:08.15 | nopealicious | before i start hitting my head on the keyboard |
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| 23:08.46 | pickcoder | Xnerde: you can do that or try a live CD, chroot to your / partition and then reconfigure your locales |
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| 23:10.20 | twobitsprite | somehow I get the impression that this is a devious trick to get people to stop submitting bugs while etch is frozen |
| 23:12.08 | concept10 | I just noticed a bug (or feature?) in xhat after reading the above about ctrl+f, you can open an unlimited number of find boxes in Xchat |
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| 23:12.45 | Asche | hi, i cant send files with amsn , any idea? |
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| 23:16.29 | siikah | Asche: firewall is one idea... |
| 23:16.31 | Xnerde | pickcoder: I'll try that. thanks |
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| 23:19.52 | CakerX | how to I list what packages are installed? |
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| 23:20.43 | karmatronic | CakerX, dpkg - l |
| 23:20.53 | Eclipser | dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 23:20.53 | dpkg | ii | grep ^ii 1.8-4.2 eclipser's private stamp collection |
| 23:21.00 | Eclipser | dpkg, argh |
| 23:21.31 | Eclipser | !installed |
| 23:21.31 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 23:21.34 | pickcoder | abrotman: how clear are the faxes you receive in? |
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| 23:23.12 | karsten | installed packages is also: dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "installed" {print $1)' |
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| 23:23.46 | bkw | Anyone who can recommend a pastebin where you can delete your own posts? |
| 23:23.56 | bkw | dpkg: pastebin |
| 23:23.57 | dpkg | pastebin is probably a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 23:24.09 | karsten | bkw: Your own website. |
| 23:24.23 | karsten | bkw: Some pastebins allow you to modify, might be able to delete there. |
| 23:24.34 | Eclipser | pastebin.com = :( |
| 23:24.37 | Tallu | apache2 :P |
| 23:24.43 | Eclipser | lighty! |
| 23:24.53 | bkw | karmatronic: do you mean that I should run a pastebin on my own host? |
| 23:25.09 | bkw | oops |
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| 23:25.19 | bkw | karsten: do you mean that I should run a pastebin on my own host? |
| 23:25.58 | edgarin | Hi people I'm try to install Debian in a laptop Gateway SOLO 5300 in diskette but, the laptop don't detect the network card |
| 23:26.01 | Eclipser | bkw, just put textfiles to your own website and paste them around? |
| 23:26.05 | Eclipser | no need for a "pastebin" |
| 23:26.27 | bkw | uploading files will take to much time. |
| 23:26.40 | Tallu | uh. |
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| 23:26.59 | bkw | hmm /me studies freshmeats archive for pastebins |
| 23:27.31 | karsten | bkw: If you're running your own webserver you can past arbitrary text to a file and serve it. |
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| 23:28.07 | karsten | bkw: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/paste.txt |
| 23:28.21 | karsten | bkw: .. it's just a file under ~/public_html/ in this case. |
| 23:29.31 | bkw | yea, that's a possibility. but it would be good to have a pastebin running on a dedicated server where others can use it too |
| 23:30.03 | Eclipser | markethole! |
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| 23:30.07 | Eclipser | go for it! |
| 23:30.08 | bkw | pasting on localhost webservers doesn't always work. |
| 23:30.12 | karsten | bkw: Whatever floats your boat. |
| 23:30.35 | karsten | bkw: ... it deos if it's your webserver (and your problem doesn't concern functionality such that the server doesn't, er, serve. |
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| 23:32.41 | bkw | it works when one have fully controlled fw/nat , or easier public ip |
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| 23:34.36 | CakerX | how do I re-check for new hardware? |
| 23:34.44 | CakerX | my sound card is not showing up |
| 23:34.52 | karsten | CakerX: discover |
| 23:35.06 | karsten | !discover4 |
| 23:35.08 | karsten | !discover |
| 23:35.08 | dpkg | discover is probably a hardware identification system based on the libdiscover1 library, or see hotplug |
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| 23:35.44 | stew | CakerX: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:36.04 | CakerX | 2.6.17-10-server |
| 23:36.41 | stew | CakerX: ubuntu? |
| 23:36.45 | CakerX | yep |
| 23:36.57 | CakerX | and I am using a sound card in a server enviroment |
| 23:36.58 | stew | CakerX: please ask #ubuntu |
| 23:37.02 | CakerX | meh.... |
| 23:37.11 | Tallu | CakerX: we cant support ubuntu here, really |
| 23:37.23 | CakerX | its similar |
| 23:37.29 | CakerX | its based of debian |
| 23:37.32 | CakerX | it uses .deb packages |
| 23:37.36 | stew | CakerX: we know |
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| 23:37.41 | stew | CakerX: its off-topic here |
| 23:37.43 | Tallu | its still not the same |
| 23:37.47 | Tallu | !based on debian |
| 23:37.48 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 23:38.10 | CakerX | oh whatever |
| 23:38.18 | CakerX | I'll ask ubuntu |
| 23:38.22 | CakerX | #ubuntu |
| 23:38.30 | Tallu | CakerX: no offence meant, that's just the way it is.. |
| 23:38.33 | AussieHatter | cakerx: irc.freenode.net |
| 23:38.40 | AussieHatter | cakerx: its very busy |
| 23:38.50 | AussieHatter | CakerX: plenty of help for you |
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| 23:41.09 | runixd | hello, my deb is very unstable and panics when I run more than one domU on xen |
| 23:41.09 | CakerX | I know enough not to get involved with computer heads and the distro war |
| 23:41.13 | runixd | is there a cure |
| 23:41.14 | runixd | ? |
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| 23:41.35 | Wyzard | CakerX: It's not a distro war, it's just that Ubuntu has differences from Debian that we don't keep track of |
| 23:41.41 | rpc | CakerX it's not about war, it's about keeping the chan clean |
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| 23:41.59 | CakerX | k |
| 23:42.08 | karsten | runixd: ... might also ask on a Xen support list / channel. |
| 23:42.10 | AussieHatter | cakerx: its nothing to do with that. this channel had people familiar with debian, which is different than ubuntu. so answers would be guesses not truths. |
| 23:42.17 | Wyzard | runixd: Interesting... I was planning on setting up the second domU in a system I'm building this evening :-) |
| 23:42.19 | Eclipser | runixd, you're tempting me to throw jokes at this |
| 23:42.22 | CakerX | or mabey the world does change |
| 23:42.26 | runixd | karsten: this is not a xen issue |
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| 23:42.34 | runixd | it runs just fine for me on suse |
| 23:42.34 | haggz | cakerx: for instance, I gave you a sound-configuration solution based on the official debian repositories and default initial configuration. I have no idea what that code would do in relation to ubuntu server, sorry. |
| 23:42.56 | rpc | runixd you might find out about vbox, too |
| 23:43.04 | rpc | might want to* |
| 23:43.26 | runixd | vbox ? |
| 23:43.34 | rpc | virtualbox.org |
| 23:43.34 | Wyzard | rpc: or VMware, or UML, or vserver, or KVM... |
| 23:43.42 | rpc | vbox is open source and free |
| 23:43.55 | runixd | so is xen |
| 23:43.57 | AussieHatter | vmplayer is free, works good. |
| 23:43.58 | rpc | and it runs great - i learned about it just a couple of days ago and i love it so far |
| 23:44.02 | runixd | heh |
| 23:44.09 | Wyzard | vbox is also not packaged |
| 23:44.12 | rpc | vmware is oldfashioned :) |
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| 23:44.14 | runixd | how does it work ? |
| 23:44.15 | rpc | it is |
| 23:44.20 | rpc | apt-get install vbox |
| 23:44.20 | Wyzard | not officially at least |
| 23:44.31 | AussieHatter | oldfashioned ? |
| 23:44.35 | Muisje | Apache is not showing any php file because of premature end of script. (OS: Debian Sarge 3.1, to 4.4.4-8) Anyone can help me? |
| 23:44.37 | Wyzard | rpc: There's no such package |
| 23:44.41 | rpc | vbox is the only virtualisation software to use multithreading |
| 23:44.46 | rpc | Wyzard ETch |
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| 23:45.35 | rpc | AussieHatter vbox has many interesting concepts and is way ahead of the competition so far |
| 23:45.42 | Wyzard | rpc: I'm running sid and there's no such package on either i386 or amd64 |
| 23:45.53 | Wyzard | rpc: packages.debian.org says it's not in etch either |
| 23:45.54 | rpc | Wyzard there is one on Etch |
| 23:46.02 | AussieHatter | rpc: i will check it out, vmware has the advantage of running windows |
| 23:46.10 | rpc | anyway you can just grab vbox from virtualbox.org, what's the prob :) |
| 23:46.10 | Wyzard | rpc: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=vbox&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 23:46.29 | rpc | AussieHatter vbox runs on windows and linux |
| 23:46.42 | rpc | and it can host any kind of os |
| 23:46.52 | rpc | it's just like vmware but better and faster |
| 23:46.55 | rpc | and open :) |
| 23:46.59 | Wyzard | Anyway, there's nothing inherently wrong with vbox, but if someone asks a question about Xen, the first response doesn't need to be "oh, just use vbox instead, it'll solve all your problems" |
| 23:47.16 | rpc | can Xen run headless? |
| 23:47.27 | CakerX | they are pretty much ignoring me in #ubuntu |
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| 23:47.38 | Wyzard | rpc: Xen runs headless by default |
| 23:48.03 | rpc | Wyzard very nice then |
| 23:48.19 | AussieHatter | cakerx: you are asking the wrong questions. try again and state your problem. not an open question. |
| 23:48.21 | rpc | but still use vbox, it will solve all your probs ;) |
| 23:48.28 | rpc | agreed, AussieHatter |
| 23:48.35 | Wyzard | rpc: There are a bunch of virtualization technologies and each has its strengths and weaknesses... VirtualBox does not make Xen obsolete |
| 23:48.42 | Treeform | can you please help me out i need python2.4-imaging installed but its in the debian unstable repository. How can i get it linked up? |
| 23:48.45 | rpc | Wyzard of course not |
| 23:48.59 | runixd | rpc: how is the performance of vbox ? |
| 23:49.00 | AussieHatter | I am in the middle of setting up xen right now. please don't confuse me with choices |
| 23:49.02 | rpc | but you have to try it to understand what makes vbox better |
| 23:49.07 | rpc | runixd pretty good |
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| 23:49.20 | runixd | can I run 12-14 vservers on it ? |
| 23:49.26 | rpc | why not? |
| 23:49.35 | runixd | hmm |
| 23:49.40 | rpc | just join #vbox and ask all your doubts in there |
| 23:49.42 | Wyzard | runixd: What sort of system are you aiming to build? |
| 23:50.13 | rpc | AussieHatter vbox takes no time to setup... :) |
| 23:50.21 | runixd | Wyzard: it is a server, which needs to run environments with different kernels |
| 23:50.29 | rpc | just a few commands |
| 23:51.16 | runixd | takes no time to setup doesn't sound that good actually |
| 23:51.17 | rpc | easily done with vbox, already having 5 machines running |
| 23:51.17 | rpc | runixd you control it from command line |
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| 23:51.34 | AussieHatter | rpc: you have used xen ? |
| 23:51.36 | runixd | rpc: what about networking, are those setup with bridging ? |
| 23:51.40 | gnp_nix | anyone around that can try to ssh into my box to test it? |
| 23:51.45 | rpc | and it really is this fast to begin with... you register a new machine, you mount an iso and you begin installing stuff, also you can connect remotely over rdp |
| 23:52.00 | rpc | runixd yes |
| 23:52.13 | runixd | rpc: sounds alot like vmware/parallels sort of thing ? |
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| 23:52.17 | rpc | and also you can have your own TAP |
| 23:52.21 | Wyzard | It does sound a lot like VMware |
| 23:52.31 | haggz | I think I'm gonna backup my backup partition on my desktop and dist-upgrade it to sid. Any advice on minimizing breakage? Kill X and other unneeded processes before starting? |
| 23:52.34 | rpc | because some concepts are common |
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| 23:52.57 | rpc | it would be a good start to download the manual from virtualbox.org and read up, it's really nice |
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| 23:53.55 | runixd | "VirtualBox (herein referred to as VBox) is similar to VMWare workstation or VMWare server, in that it has a ring0 kernel driver for a linux host." |
| 23:54.02 | runixd | http://ian.blenke.com/vbox/virtualbox/linux/vt/svm/xen/hvm/virtualization/limitations/virtualbox-limitations.html |
| 23:54.09 | AussieHatter | dammmit ! this is my first xen, now i am wondering if i should investigate vbox..,.. |
| 23:54.20 | Wyzard | I was just about to ask whether vbox uses HVM or if it relies on software hackery like VMware does |
| 23:54.23 | rpc | runixd why don't you just give it a try? |
| 23:54.24 | runixd | AussieHatter: no, they seem to be different things |
| 23:54.26 | abrotman | RvGaTe: SecureSystemMenu=false |
| 23:54.29 | runixd | rpc: I will |
| 23:54.33 | rpc | runixd see it first, discuss after :) |
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| 23:56.01 | GNP | If I can ssh from my windows box to my nix box using my internet ip does that mean its going through the router like an incoming request |
| 23:56.32 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like the vbox source code is GPL but the packages they provide for download use a non-free license |
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| 23:56.57 | rpc | Wyzard ask them in #vbox |
| 23:57.44 | runixd | GNP, yeah, although you'd need to setup some forwarding rules on your ruter/firewall and some equipment (cisco for example) doesn't allow to do that |
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| 23:58.19 | Wyzard | rpc: No need to ask; it's right there on the download page |
| 23:58.52 | Wyzard | rpc: "VirtualBox binaries" are covered by their "Personal Use and Evaluation License", and the "VirtualBox Open Source Edition" is just a link to their Subversion repository |
| 23:59.14 | rpc | but what is your point anyway? |
| 23:59.29 | Wyzard | You can't really say "hey, it's open-source, go download the package" |
| 23:59.58 | runixd | yeah, but there is a huge competition for virtualization now |
