| 00:02.11 | troubled | critch: thats cool, but not the word i was lookin for still :/ it used a 50pin amphenol connector |
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| 00:03.12 | vydd | hm...guys....how do I get sound with flash plugin 9 on etch? |
| 00:03.20 | critch | troubled: not sure what you are thinking of then, but I also like supporting Junghans, he has been supporting asterisk for a LONG time |
| 00:03.23 | troubled | critch: then each line from the board (up to 24 ports per device) plugs it was rj-11 like a switch |
| 00:03.53 | critch | troubled: sounds like you are referring to a channel bank |
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| 00:04.00 | troubled | thats it :) |
| 00:04.03 | troubled | ty hehe |
| 00:04.41 | grumbel | does anybody know a image viewer that can work with different non-square pixel displays properly? |
| 00:04.45 | critch | troubled: I have a couple of those as well, I don't use them anymore. Most of our call load is answered by the computer and never ends with a person or handset on our end of the PSTN |
| 00:04.45 | troubled | critch: sorry, dont talk about em often and only know of them in theory :) |
| 00:05.31 | critch | troubled: NP, I had to learn quick and mostly by spending my own money. Work is making a good bit of money off of my investment now and therefore I make money off of it |
| 00:05.49 | troubled | critch: ya, i would have loved some of those since the 80 or so lines i wanted to tap needed to terminate normally if the box went down. (apartment building). would have loved to be able to jack into the lines for lobby entry system :/ |
| 00:06.09 | troubled | critch: how you think i got the dev kit and the iaxy's? :( |
| 00:07.00 | critch | sorry, I have to get back to work now. Short maintenance window coming up. |
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| 00:07.23 | troubled | critch: later |
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| 00:10.20 | infantaside | stew: how long should the ATP take? |
| 00:10.48 | stew | infantaside: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 00:10.50 | r3m | Hi my laptop computer is always connected to a close LAN from mine, so i put static instead of dhcp, but the close network use the same IP range, how to prevent my computer from connecting to another network than mine? |
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| 00:11.14 | infantaside | stew: i run the command that you suggested and it has started downloading updates. |
| 00:11.20 | vulture | r3m: I don't understand your question. |
| 00:11.38 | stew | infantaside: its still downloading? |
| 00:12.03 | infantaside | stew: yes its on package 403 |
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| 00:12.09 | stew | infantaside: how long it will take is largely going to depend on the speed of your internet connection. I would expect you to be given some indication of the progress though |
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| 00:12.16 | tt | hello |
| 00:12.50 | infantaside | stew: there is a time in the bottom right of the screen but it is jumping up and down |
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| 00:15.55 | arnon | how can I create symbolick link /home/aaa/link that connect to /home/bbb/somedirectory ? how does the permission need to be setup ? |
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| 00:16.35 | Shadowcat | you don't need proper permissions to setup a symlink |
| 00:16.44 | Shadowcat | you DO need proper permissions in order to follow it |
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| 00:17.06 | stew | arnon: ln -s /home/bbb/somedirectory /home/aaa/link |
| 00:17.32 | bobby | can dd be used to send wholesale to another device...I want bit for bit from one 40gig hdd to another without using an image in between :| |
| 00:17.37 | Shadowcat | stew: I think me meant what modes he needs so that one user can access the other dir |
| 00:17.59 | critch | bobby: yes, but make sure the total capacity is the same |
| 00:18.01 | arnon | stew, I got permission denied |
| 00:18.14 | bobby | critch, the same or more? |
| 00:18.26 | stew | arnon: you need to have write permission on /home/aaa |
| 00:18.27 | critch | bobby: the target needs to be identical or more |
| 00:18.28 | arnon | stew, both aaa and bbb are in wheel group, and I already given rwx permission to wheel on /home/bbb/somedirectory |
| 00:19.56 | arnon | stew, I also did chgrp wheel for /home/bbb/somedirectory |
| 00:20.29 | stew | arnon: none of that matters for creating the symlink |
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| 00:22.49 | stew | arnon: you only need write permission in the directory you are creating the link in in order to create the link |
| 00:22.51 | stew | arnon: please don't /msg me |
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| 00:23.40 | arnon | stew, but it says permission denied here, and I can do touch ha.txt |
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| 00:24.14 | arnon | stew, I'm logged in as bbb by the way |
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| 00:24.15 | stew | arnon: "touch /home/arnon/tomcat-5.0.28/webapps/aorc-2/ha.txt" works? |
| 00:24.34 | arnon | stew, no.. |
| 00:24.50 | superlinux | hi all |
| 00:24.52 | superlinux | how can i build group policies in samba? or is it possible? |
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| 00:24.53 | stew | arnon: what did you mean by "I can do touch ha.txt" then? |
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| 00:25.23 | arnon | stew, touch ha.txt work in the home folder of aaa |
| 00:25.35 | stew | arnon: what command fails then? |
| 00:25.51 | arnon | ln -s Secure /home/arnon/tomcat-5.0.28/webapps/aorc-2/Secure |
| 00:25.52 | bobby | thanks critch :) |
| 00:25.57 | arnon | stew, ln -s Secure /home/arnon/tomcat-5.0.28/webapps/aorc-2/Secure |
| 00:26.02 | arnon | that fails |
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| 00:26.13 | stew | arnon: you need write permissions on /home/arnon/tomcat-5.0.28/webapps/aorc-2/ if you want to create a synlink in that directory |
| 00:26.14 | critch | bobby: np, karma return for my venting here earlier |
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| 00:26.26 | bobby | :) |
| 00:26.56 | stew | arnon: it sounds like you have the command backwards, and you want ln -s /home/arnon/tomcat-5.0.28/webapps/aorc-2/Secure ./Secure |
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| 00:29.45 | arnon | stew, how can I make so that user aorc can have write access in /home/arnon ? |
| 00:30.13 | stew | !permissions |
| 00:30.14 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 00:30.22 | kiba | hmm |
| 00:30.24 | stew | arnon: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions |
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| 00:30.41 | kiba | I wonder what do you need to try first in trying to get a printer working |
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| 00:32.01 | xp_prg | if I want to alter the profile for all users I just alter /etc/profile right? |
| 00:32.41 | mehul | xp_prg: yes. |
| 00:32.44 | xp_prg | k |
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| 00:33.07 | arnon | what's the command to show what group am I in ? |
| 00:33.15 | peterS | groups |
| 00:33.27 | peterS | or 'id' |
| 00:33.48 | mehul | arnon: you can use 'id -g' |
| 00:34.13 | mehul | or you can use 'id -nG' |
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| 00:34.46 | xp_prg | can someone point me to a place that tells me how to install postgresql 8.2.1 from a package? |
| 00:34.51 | mehul | which will print out the name (n), as well as all the groups (G) rather then just the effective group (g) |
| 00:34.59 | bonez44 | Are there any FOSS based games...that I could lure my 11 yo son....over to linux...away from windows with? |
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| 00:35.26 | peterS | xp_prg: http://backports.org/ |
| 00:35.34 | critch | xp_prg: is 8.2.1 packaged already? |
| 00:35.41 | archpollux | FOSS? |
| 00:35.59 | peterS | archpollux: "free software" |
| 00:36.01 | stew | archpollux: free / open-source software |
| 00:36.05 | arnon | as root I did usermod -gwheel aorc, and then executing id as aorc doesn't show me 'wheel' |
| 00:36.20 | archpollux | stew: oh that... :P well there are a lot of them |
| 00:36.26 | critch | xp_prg: are you already tracking experimental? |
| 00:36.28 | peterS | xp_prg: oh, never mind, 8.2 is not at backports.org, I was thinking of 8.1. 8.2 is available from experimental, if you are running unstable (may also work with etch) |
| 00:36.32 | archpollux | stew: not necessarily amazing, though |
| 00:36.53 | stew | arnon: logout and back in to get the new credentials |
| 00:36.58 | critch | later all, thanks for the time and brain cycles |
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| 00:38.13 | arnon | stew, thanks |
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| 00:44.13 | lunaphyte | if i have 2 disks, split up as follows: http://rafb.net/p/ytMM7k84.html - can i dd them, or otherwise combine them onto a single larger disk and end up with a booting system? |
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| 00:44.49 | ctp | hi folks. after chrooting i'm missing all the /dev/hdX nodes. chroot is running kernel 2.6.10, so no udev possible. anyone here has a hint, what's going wrong? |
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| 00:45.23 | abrotman | lunaphyte: you could tar or the like .. and remember to install the bootloader correctly |
| 00:45.33 | abrotman | lunaphyte: or rsync |
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| 00:46.17 | lunaphyte | so a "simple" tar or rsync, as long as i got grub right, would be as complicated as it needed to be? |
| 00:46.25 | lunaphyte | just do the partitions on the other disk manually? |
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| 00:48.27 | abrotman | lunaphyte: if you want them i suppose .. yes |
| 00:48.29 | xp_prg | peterS what is the entry I need in my source.list to get the experimental postgres 8.2.1? |
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| 00:48.37 | superlinux | hello guys |
| 00:48.45 | peterS | !experimental |
| 00:48.45 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 00:49.15 | peterS | xp_prg: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian experimental main". then do 'aptitude install postgresql-8.2/experimental' or so |
| 00:49.36 | superlinux | which level of group policies i can enforce with samba? win2k or win2k3? |
| 00:49.41 | peterS | 8.2.1 is packaged for the amd64 architecture but not the i386 architecture, though. for i386 you get 8.2.2. |
| 00:49.58 | xp_prg | wow cool I realy want 8.2.2 |
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| 00:50.01 | lunaphyte | abrotman: gotcha. thanks. |
| 00:50.04 | peterS | superlinux: win2k, I believe. I'm not even sure how much of that is supported, group policies are kinda complex |
| 00:50.06 | kiba | hello |
| 00:50.20 | kiba | why cups server doesn't recongize the usual root name and password? |
| 00:50.32 | kiba | Enter your username and password or the root username and password to access this page. |
| 00:50.33 | abrotman | superlinux: a question better suited for #samba |
| 00:50.42 | kiba | that what it say |
| 00:51.08 | kiba | never mind |
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| 00:51.30 | xp_prg | I see this when I do apt-cache search postgres |
| 00:51.32 | xp_prg | postgresql-8.2 - object-relational SQL database, version 8.2 server |
| 00:51.37 | xp_prg | is that 8.2.2? |
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| 00:52.26 | stew | xp_prg: "apt-cache policy postgresql-8.2" should tell you the full version string |
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| 00:52.59 | xp_prg | wow that is cool! |
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| 00:54.42 | superlinux | peterS, thanks.. however i am still searching how to download the poledit of win2k |
| 00:54.49 | superlinux | can u help me get it |
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| 00:55.00 | peterS | superlinux: uh ... I guess you install it from your win2k CD? |
| 00:55.10 | superlinux | aha |
| 00:55.11 | superlinux | ok |
| 00:55.19 | abrotman | or ask #samba! :) |
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| 00:55.26 | peterS | don't tell me you're interested in pirating microsoft tools you haven't paid for. that wouldn't be nice. |
| 00:55.32 | superlinux | abrotman, no body is responding |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | so be patient |
| 00:55.56 | superlinux | tell that to my manager! |
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| 00:56.00 | superlinux | LOL! |
| 00:56.17 | gholm | hey all, I'm installing FAM by apt-get install fam and it wants to delete all of my KDE? why? |
| 00:56.17 | abrotman | you mean the one that is paying you to know this stuff ? |
| 00:56.45 | stew | gholm: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:56.54 | superlinux | yea!! LOL! |
| 00:57.09 | gholm | stew: using Mepis which isn't exactly debian, but similar enough |
| 00:57.10 | abrotman | no so super |
| 00:57.41 | stew | gholm: ask #mepis |
| 00:57.48 | gholm | stew: no one of any use there |
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| 00:57.56 | stew | gholm: try a mepis mailing list |
| 00:58.14 | gholm | stew: yeah cool |
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| 00:59.09 | abrotman | !fix simonrvn |
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| 01:01.25 | xp_prg | peterS I try apt-get install postgresql-8.2 and it says it cannot install cuz it is impossible, I am running on etch |
| 01:01.31 | xp_prg | how might I fix that? |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | show us the error |
| 01:01.57 | peterS | xp_prg: I'd run aptitude interactively and figure out what it's having a problem with, and tell it what I want to do to fix that |
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| 01:02.30 | abrotman | or you can just tell the admin "Fix this!" |
| 01:02.44 | stew | xp_prg: there is no postgresql-8.2 in etch |
| 01:02.46 | peterS | I'm guessing it's hung up on the fact that postgresql-8.2 depends on other packages in experimental (namely postgresql-client-8.2 and postgresql-common) |
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| 01:02.59 | stoned | oh man |
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| 01:03.00 | stew | oh, experimental |
| 01:03.05 | stoned | xgl/beryl is sweet |
| 01:03.06 | stoned | hi guys |
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| 01:03.18 | stew | xp_prg: if you don't know how to fix that, you shouldn't use experimental |
| 01:03.29 | xp_prg | ya, I am a mere mortal :( |
| 01:03.35 | peterS | xp_prg: you might be able to unjam it by telling it to also install postgresql-client-8.2/experimental and postgresql-common/experimental, all on the same command line |
| 01:03.41 | stoned | haha, mere mortal |
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| 01:04.19 | stoned | I was looking around but failed to find a reason... Why is Xgl not packaged in debian sid/experimental? |
| 01:04.31 | abrotman | IIRC .. AIGLX just worked |
| 01:04.31 | stoned | I'm sure people must have wanted to upload some packages |
| 01:04.39 | magyar | hi, how can i fix this error in dmesg "EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:05:02.0 failed with error -12" ? |
| 01:04.47 | stoned | abrotman: I've got fglrx/x1900xt so no AIGLX for me |
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| 01:05.03 | abrotman | stoned: blame ATI ? :) |
| 01:05.18 | stoned | abrotman: of course.. its a good card.. beautiful in windows/oblivion |
| 01:05.21 | abrotman | stoned: you're more than welcome to package it and upload it |
| 01:05.37 | stoned | abrotman: oh so thats it? I thought debian rejected Xgl for some reason |
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| 01:05.54 | xp_prg | well what if I do like a dist upgrade to experimental would that help? |
| 01:05.54 | stoned | abrotman: I'm sure people more competent than myself have tried it already? |
| 01:06.00 | stew | there must be an ITP |
| 01:06.06 | stoned | abrotman: yes I suppose I could but I was curiou |
| 01:06.09 | stew | xp_prg: don't use experimental |
| 01:06.21 | xp_prg | stew I need postgres 8.2.2 though :( |
| 01:06.31 | kiba | success! |
| 01:06.36 | kiba | printer working! |
| 01:06.37 | abrotman | stoned: NFC .. check the WNPP |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | xp_prg: *need* for what ? |
| 01:06.57 | xp_prg | adempiere |
| 01:07.07 | abrotman | compiere ? |
| 01:07.14 | stoned | I had to use snapshots and experimental packages etc. to get Xgl/beryl to work.. now my sid is all hacked up |
| 01:07.24 | xp_prg | ya |
| 01:07.28 | stoned | I told you I won't sleep till I ge it to work |
| 01:07.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:08.03 | kiba | strange |
| 01:08.18 | xp_prg | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "postgres-8.2" |
| 01:08.23 | kiba | I tell gvim to send a print job to the printer yet it doesn't work |
| 01:08.25 | xp_prg | but apt-cache search returns that |
| 01:08.30 | kiba | how to fix that? |
| 01:08.35 | xp_prg | that is what I got when I did apttitude install postgres-8.2 |
| 01:08.49 | peterS | xp_prg: how did you go from "posgresql-8.2" to "postgres-8.2"? |
| 01:08.54 | stoned | postgresql-8.1 |
| 01:08.55 | peterS | postgresql-8.2, even |
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| 01:09.07 | stoned | I see this in sid.. you're looking for specifically 8.2? |
| 01:09.17 | peterS | stoned: yeah, he's trying to pull 8.2.2 from experimental |
| 01:09.43 | mehul | What is "compiere" ? I don't see it with apt-cache. |
| 01:09.53 | abrotman | mehul: use google .. CRM system |
| 01:10.14 | troubled | xp_prg: whats compiere? |
| 01:10.25 | kiba | I tell gvim to send a print job to the printer but it doesn't work. I did a test page and it work fine. |
| 01:10.32 | abrotman | troubled: compiere.org |
| 01:10.34 | stoned | peterS: could he not build from source, and try to circumvent the dependencies if that |
| 01:10.38 | xp_prg | well it is adempiere, and it is a free erp system that rocks |
| 01:10.40 | mehul | troubled: you've never heard of compiere ? man its like the most happening CRM system out there !!! |
| 01:10.41 | abrotman | peterS: good shot! |
| 01:10.42 | troubled | abrotman: ty |
| 01:10.44 | kiba | what it would be? |
| 01:10.49 | peterS | stoned: wtf. why would you want to do that if packages already exist in experimental |
| 01:10.51 | stoned | peterS: I was unable to use experimetnal packages to et my Xgl to work.. I had to build a few new versions fro source |
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| 01:10.52 | xp_prg | peterS I am a mere mortal can you help me some more? |
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| 01:11.16 | peterS | xp_prg: you haven't said what the problem is, now that you fixed your typo |
| 01:11.29 | stoned | peterS: I don't know, that is why I was asking |
| 01:11.31 | magyar | hi guys, anyone using audigy soundlaster with sid?.... I keep getting errors like such "EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:05:02.0 failed with error -12" after every reboot |
| 01:11.34 | xp_prg | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 01:11.35 | xp_prg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.38 | mhik1 | how to set environment setting permanently? |
| 01:11.38 | kiba | hmmm |
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| 01:11.51 | xp_prg | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 01:11.51 | xp_prg | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:12.07 | abrotman | !compiere |
| 01:12.07 | dpkg | Compiere is an integrated Enterprise Resource Planning (ERP) and Customer Relations Management (CRM) software solution that combines the power of point of sales (POS), distribution, inventory, e-commerce, accounting, and workflow systems within one robust application. http://www.compiere.org/ |
| 01:12.11 | peterS | xp_prg: go back to step 2, where I told you that I would run aptitude interactively and figure out what it's demanding and figure out how to tell it to do what it needs to do |
| 01:12.28 | mhiku | how to set environment setting permanently for a specific user? |
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| 01:12.30 | peterS | xp_prg: the thing about packages from experimental, they don't get installed automatically via dependencies, you have to ask for the specifically, aptitude is smart like that |
| 01:12.31 | abrotman | peterS: how about step0 where you evaluate software? :) |
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| 01:12.39 | xp_prg | oh ok |
| 01:12.46 | dvs | is it out yet? ;-) |
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| 01:12.48 | xp_prg | sound like I need to try to get common |
| 01:12.49 | stoned | mhiku: er.. export it in the user's .bashrc? |
| 01:12.52 | LOLZebra | Hello |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | ACK.. LION! |
| 01:13.26 | stew | gravity: does XSF have any plans wrt xgl? |
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| 01:13.38 | xp_prg | aptitude install postgresql-common gives No candidate version found for postgresql-common] |
| 01:13.44 | gravity | stew: None. We're sticking with AIGLX. Anyone who wants to work on Xgl can contact debian-x though. |
| 01:13.46 | stoned | stew: a just question |
| 01:13.56 | stoned | gravity: I might do that |
| 01:14.02 | gravity | stoned: Ok |
| 01:14.34 | stoned | I gotta get moved out by sat. though |
| 01:14.39 | kiba | how do I get gvim to print a document? |
| 01:14.40 | mehul | xp_prg: use aptitude interactively, really, it wont bite ! :) |
| 01:14.45 | kiba | print doesn't seem to work |
| 01:14.45 | abrotman | probably a bad time to start then eh ? |
| 01:15.01 | stoned | abrotman: not gonna start till I get fully moved in the new house |
| 01:15.06 | xp_prg | mehul how do I use it interactively please? |
| 01:15.18 | stoned | abrotman: I'm still learning about Xgl.. first time I got it to work was last night |
| 01:15.30 | xp_prg | mehul do I just type aptitude? |
| 01:15.35 | mehul | just type aptitude |
| 01:15.36 | abrotman | stoned: i thought you were going to your sister's ? |
| 01:15.45 | xp_prg | ok I am in there |
| 01:15.47 | dvs | stoned: you still in OK |
| 01:15.48 | mehul | yes, it will open up a curses based gui. |
| 01:15.55 | mehul | now, press 'g' |
| 01:16.00 | stoned | abrotman: yes, and with my income combined she can afford a house and I can finally get a room.. no more apartments for me |
| 01:16.06 | Xenguy | kiba: :hardcopy |
| 01:16.14 | Xenguy | kiba: or just :ha |
| 01:16.16 | abrotman | stoned: uhm .. you don't own the house |
| 01:16.44 | stoned | abrotman: nope.. shes divorced, older, has a kid.. I think I should take care of her |
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| 01:17.00 | bobby | what would happen if I had a drive that was 40 gig and another that was 39 and I dd'ed the 40 to the 39? noting that I don' |
| 01:17.02 | abrotman | stoned: perhaps .. but you still won't own a place |
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| 01:17.07 | stoned | plus baton rouge is like 4 hours from houston |
| 01:17.10 | bobby | t care about the final partition on the 40 gig drive that is 5 gig |
| 01:17.12 | kiba | xenguy: still getting nothing |
| 01:17.13 | abrotman | bobby: bad stuff |
| 01:17.18 | stoned | I can go home and bug my mom to cook for me |
| 01:17.19 | stoned | :D |
| 01:17.35 | mehul | lol stoned |
| 01:17.37 | PieFinger | will i have any luck getting help with Damn Small LInux in here? |
| 01:17.42 | Xenguy | kiba: dunno then, must be a different problem, not vim |
| 01:17.50 | mhiku | how to set environment setting permanently in ~/.bashrc? |
| 01:17.56 | stew | PieFinger: try #damnsmalllinux |
| 01:17.58 | kiba | PieFinder: go to #dsl ? |
| 01:17.59 | xp_prg | mehul I highlighted the postgresql client, when I press g it says nothing is ready for downloading |
| 01:17.59 | stoned | mhiku: export BLAH=blah |
| 01:18.02 | PieFinger | dead |
| 01:18.04 | PieFinger | noone there |
| 01:18.07 | bobby | abrotman, mmm... :| |
| 01:18.09 | F|28 | BSD users are Just like linux users, exept they have kissed girlz |
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| 01:18.16 | F|28 | *ubuntu users |
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| 01:18.26 | stoned | girls in skintight red shiny devil suits |
| 01:18.28 | infernix | F|28: LIES |
| 01:18.36 | kiba | PieFinder: be patient |
| 01:18.41 | F|28 | prove it. |
| 01:18.47 | infernix | prove otherwise. |
| 01:18.49 | F|28 | :p |
| 01:18.50 | stew | F|28: please keep it on-topic |
| 01:18.53 | F|28 | ok |
| 01:18.57 | F|28 | Debian sucks cock. |
| 01:19.01 | stoned | ooh |
| 01:19.02 | abrotman | bye |
| 01:19.04 | F|28 | bye |
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| 01:19.07 | magyar | alsaconf makes the soundcard work but after reboot i get in dmesg "EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:05:02.0 failed with error -12" ? |
| 01:19.13 | stoned | well that was strange |
| 01:19.24 | bobby | most bsd users I know irl are females...this is a concerning development |
| 01:19.25 | PieFinger | when booting i get insmod note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.26/modules.dep |
| 01:19.30 | dvs | stoned: not to me |
| 01:19.30 | peterS | xp_prg: to install things from experimental, you have to hit enter to go to the package info screen, then highlight the version from experimental and mark that for install. you may have to do this for all packages that need to be installed from experimental, before the actual upgrade will work |
| 01:19.42 | stoned | dvs, hi dude :) |
| 01:19.51 | dvs | stoned: hello. have you moved yet? |
| 01:20.05 | stoned | no no, not yet |
| 01:20.10 | stoned | soon though |
| 01:20.13 | dvs | yay! |
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| 01:20.33 | xp_prg | peterS how do I mark it for install? |
| 01:20.41 | stoned | as much as I hate travelling, I gotta drive a Uhaul down here, and I am dreading it. |
| 01:20.44 | mehul | xp_prg: press '+' |
| 01:20.57 | stoned | mhiku: did you get it to work yet? |
| 01:21.06 | dvs | stoned: A Uhaul? ugh |
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| 01:21.19 | abrotman | why? just sell everything you own .. |
| 01:21.35 | dvs | heh |
| 01:21.37 | stoned | she wont' let me |
| 01:21.42 | dvs | I want the monitors! |
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| 01:21.55 | bobby | . |
| 01:21.58 | stoned | she said she bought half the furniture at antique stores etc.. plus she spent a lot of my money |
| 01:22.04 | kiba | hmm |
| 01:22.12 | xp_prg | ok did that, still wont' let me install it says postgresql-8.2 depends upon postgresql-common(>=63) |
| 01:22.15 | stoned | she wants her stuff.. gf that is |
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| 01:22.38 | stoned | plus I can't be bothered dealing with random people.. what I'm not taking.. I'll give away I guess |
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| 01:22.54 | mehul | xp_prg: did you press "enter" when you had postgresql-8.2 highlighted ? |
| 01:23.13 | xp_prg | yes that gives documentation |
| 01:23.36 | mehul | ok in that "documentation" window, scroll down, there is a list of dependencies .. |
| 01:23.38 | stoned | dvs: I usually ask people for thier hardware too. When my oldest brother moved out of the house when i was a kid.. I got his monitor, stereo etc. you name it |
| 01:23.55 | dvs | cool! |
| 01:24.03 | dvs | why didnt he take it with him? |
| 01:24.21 | stoned | he was flying to campus far away with just clothes |
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| 01:24.54 | stoned | he was gonna buy new stuff there.. anyway.. last year my prof. gave me a few HDD's burners, 7 machines he salvaged from the bank's dumpster |
| 01:25.01 | xp_prg | oh man that is difficult is there any kind of more easy way? |
| 01:25.05 | stoned | yeh, my prof. was like 40, he still went dumpster diving |
| 01:25.16 | stoned | so I got a power 3400c from him.. I put sarge on it when it was still testing |
| 01:25.28 | stoned | after a year of problems, I finally got the powerbook stable enough |
| 01:25.32 | magyar | can anyone help a brother " dmesg "EMU10K1_Audigy: probe of 0000:05:02.0 failed with error -12" ? |
| 01:25.32 | xp_prg | can I just do a dist upgrade to experimental? |
| 01:25.34 | stoned | still having issues with X.. but its running |
| 01:26.03 | mehul | xp_prg, if you do a dist-upgrade, you'll end up with a lot more experimental packages then you will actually need. |
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| 01:26.07 | kiba | anybody know what kind of problem I am having if I can't get gvim to print? |
| 01:26.19 | stew | xp_prg: no. you cannot dist-upgrade to experimental |
| 01:26.21 | kiba | it can print fine apperantly |
| 01:26.40 | Sherl | whats the best way to install packages from unstable in sarge?? |
| 01:26.44 | abrotman | kiba: tried #vim ? |
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| 01:26.55 | abrotman | Sherl: backports.org hopefully |
| 01:26.56 | stew | Sherl: /msg dpkg backports |
| 01:27.03 | stoned | kiba: no clue, I've never done printing on linux besides hpoj/hpijs back when sarge just testing |
| 01:27.09 | stew | Sherl: you don't want to install pacakges from unstable directly onto sarge |
| 01:27.12 | stoned | I should buy diff. brands of printers |
| 01:27.22 | mhiku | not yet, i placed PATH=$PATH:$HOME/file in ~/.bashrc but next time i relogged PATH isnt set, how is that? |
| 01:27.46 | stoned | mhiku: PATH should not include files |
| 01:27.46 | mehul | I've had an all in one type of printer in my basement, but who's got time to hook it up to the computer and setup the printing ! |
| 01:28.11 | Sherl | abrotman: backports dont have tilda or wifi-radar (got another idea how 2 install)? |
| 01:28.13 | stoned | mhiku: is your .bashrc sourced in .bash_profile? |
| 01:28.13 | mhiku | $HOME/file is a directory |
| 01:28.37 | mhiku | how is that? |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | Sherl: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 01:28.55 | mehul | mhiku: do a 'source .bashrc' in your .bash_profile |
| 01:29.11 | stoned | mhiku: open ~/.bash_profile and append " source ~/.bashrc " |
| 01:29.17 | stoned | mhiku: without quotes of coruse |
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| 01:30.09 | Sherl | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.19 | mehul | xp_prg: if you're going do a build from source, I'd rather suggest you spend about 10 minutes with aptitude interactively and get to work with it, it will be well worth the effort and you will not have to go through the aggravation of doing the build. |
| 01:30.32 | Sherl | what irc client you guyz use? |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | !polls |
| 01:30.39 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:30.50 | mhiku | stoned: yea its fixed, i used bash_profile |
| 01:30.51 | Sherl | !polls |
| 01:30.51 | mhiku | hehe |
| 01:30.51 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 01:31.00 | stoned | umm |
| 01:31.05 | Sherl | ic |
| 01:31.07 | stoned | thats a bad Sherl |
| 01:31.11 | stoned | :) |
| 01:31.21 | Sherl | help only here? |
| 01:31.26 | stoned | I use irssi |
| 01:31.38 | stoned | abrotman uses Xchat and he wished he used irssi |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | but he answers anyways |
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| 01:31.41 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 01:31.48 | stoned | :D |
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| 01:32.00 | man_in_shack | are the nameservers stored in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:32.07 | abrotman | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:32.07 | stoned | man_in_shack: yes |
| 01:32.12 | stoned | and there |
| 01:32.20 | Justin | man_in_shack: sometimes |
| 01:32.27 | stoned | hey Justin |
| 01:32.30 | Sherl | to add a sid source, i would just replace stable with unstable? |
| 01:32.33 | stew | man_in_shack: do you use dhcp or a static address? |
| 01:32.48 | mehul | I use irssi, what else should one use ? :) |
| 01:32.58 | stew | Sherl: for a backport, you want to add a "deb-src" line, not a "deb" line, so change that as well |
| 01:32.58 | mehul | Sherl: yes. |
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| 01:33.09 | stoned | Justin: I apologize for um.. I guess being a dick to ya the other day.. I was highly frusrated but that doesn't excuse it.. |
| 01:33.11 | Sherl | oh right right |
| 01:33.18 | stew | Sherl: you do NOT want to add a "deb" line for unstable |
| 01:33.32 | Sherl | gotcha |
| 01:33.33 | stoned | Justin: I got it to work finally |
| 01:33.43 | abrotman | mehul: no |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | Sherl: read what the bot told you |
| 01:34.00 | mehul | abrotman: I see the error of my ways :) |
| 01:34.26 | stoned | Justin: btw no where in the docs/google did I find that it needs to be launched from an existing X server. Execept on the gentoo wiki which says you should test if it works in X without using the -fullscreen flag |
| 01:34.27 | man_in_shack | stew, static |
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| 01:34.35 | stew | man_in_shack: then yeah, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:34.50 | man_in_shack | i notice that with dhcp on my laptop the client overwrites /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:34.57 | stew | yes |
| 01:35.01 | stew | which is why i asked |
| 01:35.08 | abrotman | man_in_shack: there's a way to not let that happen |
| 01:35.22 | stoned | Justin: I still can't find anything about what you advised.. however I'm sitting here spinning the cube.. Xgl won't even launch without being in X already either as user or root.. it just crashes.. but from within X it works |
| 01:35.30 | stoned | Justin: still trying to figure it out.. any ideas? |
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| 01:35.34 | man_in_shack | well i use my laptop on multiple networks |
| 01:35.59 | abrotman | !info laptop-net sarge |
| 01:36.04 | dpkg | laptop-net: (Automatically adapt laptop ethernet), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.26-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 276 kB |
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| 01:36.23 | man_in_shack | except there's one where the nameserver must be overidden due to a dodgy router |
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| 01:37.26 | treyh0 | is there a better tool than reprepro to creating/managing repos? |
| 01:38.02 | sbk | have a long-winded question in two parts. First: I'm running 2.6.8-3-686-smp on debian_version=3.1. I'm having trouble with it not recognizing a DVD drive. I have a ICH6 SATA/PATA controller. |
| 01:38.11 | man_in_shack | thanks abrotman |
| 01:38.19 | sbk | Are there any quick answers to the above? |
| 01:38.40 | abrotman | treyh0: better than what ? |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 01:39.05 | stoned | Justin: are you there? |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | sbk: i don't think it supports ich6 |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 01:39.11 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 01:39.20 | mehul | Does anyone know if there is a room for Apache Geronimo ? Anyone use it ? |
| 01:39.21 | Justin | stoned: maybe |
| 01:39.24 | stoned | heh |
| 01:39.28 | treyh0 | abrotman: reprepro, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 |
| 01:39.30 | sbk | abrotman: ah, very good -- thanks |
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| 01:39.35 | treyh0 | setting up an apt repository with upload support |
| 01:39.36 | man_in_shack | sbk, probably best bet is to upgrade the kernel 8) |
| 01:39.37 | marek | hey |
| 01:39.39 | abrotman | treyh0: i realized that after i asked |
| 01:39.40 | treyh0 | it looks pretty good |
| 01:39.41 | marek | my sound card says its busy |
| 01:39.47 | stoned | Justin: did you see what I said about stuff just now |
| 01:39.51 | marek | is there a way to make it so that 2 programs can play music at the asme time |
| 01:39.52 | man_in_shack | but sarge won't have recent enough packaged kernels |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | !tell sbk about bpo |
| 01:40.00 | abrotman | marek: alsa |
| 01:40.03 | marek | like if i'm watching a movie and on firefox the firefox music can play with the movie? |
| 01:40.07 | treyh0 | i just have to suck it up and learn it ;) |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | !tell man_in_shack about bpo |
| 01:40.10 | Justin | stoned: you don't strickly launch it from an existing X server, XGL itself used to have to be setup like a window manager |
| 01:40.17 | marek | i have alsa and alsamixer but how do i configure it to do that? |
| 01:40.28 | Justin | stoned: but maybe they made it better at starting on its own now, *shrug* |
| 01:40.36 | mhiku | how to know the processor power? |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 01:41.14 | man_in_shack | sbk, if the ich6 is anything like the ich7 in terms of how it reports the drive, you'll need to look at either 2.6.17 or 2.6.20 kernel, since those are the two latest versions that work correctly with my ich7 :) |
| 01:41.24 | marek | abrotman? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | your music players have to use it |
| 01:41.36 | stoned | Justin: I can't get it to run from root or user from console. The only way it launches in fullscreen is if I start xorg with DRI, and then launch it in Xnest on :1 with -fullscreen, disable multimonitor, and it works fullscreen on my 2nd monitor.. and monitor 1 is just Xorg |
| 01:41.38 | Guerin | marek: /msg dpkg dmix |
| 01:41.40 | threat2 | is 2.6.20 out now? |
| 01:41.48 | Guerin | !htfswk threat2 |
| 01:41.49 | dpkg | threat2: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:41.50 | dvs | threat2: yes |
| 01:41.50 | abrotman | man_in_shack: the one from bpo will be fine for ich6 |
| 01:41.51 | stoned | Justin: its kinda cool this way I guess... in case Xgl crashes I still got X running |
| 01:41.55 | man_in_shack | threat2, a few days ago :) |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | !kernels |
| 01:41.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kernels is see kernel |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | !kernel |
| 01:42.00 | marek | Guerin, thanks |
| 01:42.02 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20, 2.4: 2.4.34.1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc6-mm3 |
| 01:42.08 | moshii | Has anyone used debian/hurd recently? |
| 01:42.18 | threat2 | !stfu Guerin |
| 01:42.19 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP Guerin! |
| 01:42.20 | Guerin | !anyone use debian/hurd recently? |
| 01:42.21 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian/hurd recently, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:42.21 | man_in_shack | moshii, doubt it 8) |
| 01:42.21 | stoned | Justin: plus with 2 monitors it kinda looked ugly while spinning the cube on it... monitors like 2 feet apart |
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| 01:42.29 | stoned | haha |
| 01:42.37 | abrotman | moshii: they have a hurd channel |
| 01:42.45 | Guerin | threat2: well, really, just typing kernel.org into a browser was fewer keystrokes |
| 01:42.48 | man_in_shack | abrotman, personal experience with ich7 is bad 8) |
| 01:42.50 | threat2 | man_in_shack: finger @ftp.kernel.org no longer works :( that is how I used to find out what the lastest version was |
| 01:42.53 | moshii | Guerin: just wondered what sort of state it's in.. the netbsd port is dead |
| 01:43.02 | moshii | abrotman: #debian-hurd? |
| 01:43.05 | man_in_shack | abrotman, i don't like intel :) |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | man_in_shack: you have all kinds of issues .. i doubt it was the kernel's fault |
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| 01:43.14 | man_in_shack | threat2, finger is evil :D |
| 01:43.33 | threat2 | man_in_shack: but so convinient! |
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| 01:43.36 | abrotman | threat2: it works here |
| 01:43.51 | threat2 | abrotman: :(, what am I doing wrong! |
| 01:43.55 | man_in_shack | abrotman, the problem i had with ich7 appeared in 2.6.18 and disappeared in 2.6.20. there was mailing-list talk about it too :) |
| 01:43.56 | moshii | man_in_shack: yeah intel suck, ppc is so much faster per clock.. fast forwards to post 1990.. |
| 01:44.00 | Guerin | !htfswk threat2 |
| 01:44.00 | dpkg | threat2: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 01:44.02 | abrotman | threat2: you don't know how to use your finger ? |
| 01:44.14 | abrotman | man_in_shack: yeah .. i blame you |
| 01:44.34 | man_in_shack | abrotman, not my fault for getting a crappy intel chipset. it's a laptop, nothing i can do :) |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | buy an amd laptop ? |
| 01:45.19 | man_in_shack | abrotman, i couldn't find one with an nvidia graphics card |
| 01:45.31 | LeFallen | How can i get the .config file used to build the kernel built for debian? |
| 01:45.32 | Guerin | moshii: you have unreasonable requirements |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | man_in_shack: you didn't look very hard |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | man_in_shack: |
| 01:45.46 | dvs | LeFallen: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 01:46.00 | moshii | man_in_shack: intel chipsets are pretty well supported in linux.. look at all the commits from intel devs.. |
| 01:46.00 | LeFallen | dvs: OMFG really, thanks :) /me dumbass |
| 01:46.03 | man_in_shack | abrotman, i'm in australia. my range of options is limitted |
| 01:46.22 | abrotman | man_in_shack: sounds like your problem .. if you weren't so lazy .. you'd move to a more reasonable country |
| 01:46.25 | man_in_shack | moshii, i have had problems with ich7 ide, ipw3945 wireless ... |
| 01:46.35 | man_in_shack | abrotman, do i look like i have the money for that? |
| 01:46.36 | LeFallen | man_in_shack: Synnex ;) |
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| 01:46.39 | Deimos__ | hi all |
| 01:46.44 | man_in_shack | synwho? |
| 01:46.48 | abrotman | man_in_shack: depends on the size of your shack |
| 01:46.59 | abrotman | synnex is a .us wholesale company |
| 01:47.04 | Guerin | man_in_shack: use a newer kernel -> solved |
| 01:47.06 | moshii | man_in_shack:just as you have problems with via' |
| 01:47.16 | moshii | man_in_shack: s comparable chipset |
| 01:47.19 | man_in_shack | moshii, i never had problems with via though |
| 01:47.34 | man_in_shack | didn't use a via chipset for very long, but i never had problems withit |
| 01:47.43 | LeFallen | http://www.synnex.com.au/ |
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| 01:47.44 | moshii | man_in_shack: no mass data corruption, dma broken in hardware? |
| 01:47.49 | LeFallen | man_in_shack: ^^ |
| 01:47.57 | man_in_shack | moshii, nothing like that |
| 01:48.29 | man_in_shack | moshii, ich7 problem i had was to do with detecting a non-existant pata slave drive when only the master was present |
| 01:48.30 | moshii | man_in_shack: well, you're lucky then |
| 01:48.55 | stoned | jajaja |
| 01:48.57 | moshii | man_in_shack: that sounds like a pretty small issue if you ask me |
| 01:49.06 | stoned | man in shack lol thats a great nick |
| 01:49.11 | man_in_shack | moshii, it added 1.5 mins to boot time |
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| 01:49.50 | kiba | is there a desktop widget program like superkaramba? |
| 01:50.53 | stoned | kiba I'm sure there is.. search |
| 01:50.53 | Guerin | kiba: how about superkaramba? |
| 01:50.54 | moshii | man_in_shack: well, lets do 1.5 mins extra boot time Vs. corrupting all data that's going over the busses |
| 01:50.54 | man_in_shack | Guerin, "use a newer kernel" ... 2.6.20 fixed the problem, but was only released a few days ago |
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| 01:50.54 | abrotman | you mean .. like superkaramba ? |
| 01:50.54 | LeFallen | kiba: adesklets |
| 01:50.54 | abrotman | gdesklets ? |
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| 01:50.54 | Guerin | man_in_shack: in ich7? i thought that was fixed in .18 |
| 01:50.54 | man_in_shack | LeFallen, i can't find any amd laptops there |
| 01:50.55 | man_in_shack | Guerin, no, it was broken in .18 |
| 01:50.57 | marek | how do i find out the rate of my sound card |
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| 01:51.00 | moshii | man_in_shack: have you switched to initng too? :P |
| 01:51.06 | man_in_shack | moshii, no |
| 01:51.21 | man_in_shack | Guerin, problem did not occur in 2.6.17, did occur in 2.6.18 and .19 |
| 01:51.43 | abrotman | marek: i rate it 5/10 |
| 01:51.52 | Guerin | man_in_shack: so ... use .17? |
| 01:51.54 | marek | no like in Hz |
| 01:51.59 | moshii | man_in_shack: so an extra minute on your already lengthy boot time isn't worth worrying about |
| 01:52.02 | Deimos__ | i've a 2.6.18 kernel, why my executable is not linked with linux-gate.so.1 ? i've seen many examples like test.c : #include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("hello"); } ... gcc -o test test.c, and test is linked with linux-gate.so.1 =\ |
| 01:52.09 | man_in_shack | Guerin, but then my flash card reader didn't work |
| 01:52.18 | man_in_shack | moshii, not already length though |
| 01:52.45 | man_in_shack | Deimos__, is this a problem? |
| 01:52.46 | kiba | Querin: hmm...I am having issues with superkaramba |
| 01:52.53 | kiba | it crash all the time |
| 01:52.57 | Guerin | kiba: solution: don't use it |
| 01:52.58 | kiba | well....sometime |
| 01:52.59 | abrotman | so don't use it |
| 01:53.32 | Deimos__ | man_in_shack, it's not a really pobleme, but .. i'm curious, why my executable is not linked with the virtual syscalls :p |
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| 01:53.33 | moshii | Deimos__: are you sure you know what that library does and if you need to link against it? |
| 01:53.50 | stew | kiba: have you checked the bts? (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 01:54.16 | kiba | DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 2 during global destruction. |
| 01:54.23 | kiba | what in the world is that? |
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| 01:54.57 | Guerin | kiba: an informational message |
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| 01:57.15 | malverian | Hi, what's the correct way to version a debian package where the upstream version is a release candidate? Eg.. "1.2.3-rc3" |
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| 01:58.17 | abrotman | doesn't the packaging guide tell you ? |
| 01:58.17 | Guerin | malverian: #debian-mentors irc.debian.org is probably the place for that question |
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| 01:58.22 | stew | malverian: 1.2.3~rc3-1 |
| 01:58.38 | stew | malverian: (the -1 being the first debian revision of rc3) |
| 01:59.00 | marek | how do i know if i have alsa installed? |
| 01:59.10 | abrotman | dpkg -l alsa* |
| 01:59.10 | dpkg | ii alsa* 3.7-12 abrotman's private stamp collection |
| 01:59.14 | malverian | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 01:59.17 | abrotman | dpkg: that was gamp! |
| 01:59.29 | stew | marek: which part of alsa? the drivers? or the userspace utilities? |
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| 01:59.32 | marek | No packages found matching alsaplayer_0.99.76-0.3_i386.deb. |
| 01:59.32 | marek | No packages found matching alsaplayer-alsa_0.99.76-0.3_i386.deb. |
| 01:59.36 | threat2 | so, what is the next release of debian called? |
| 01:59.38 | marek | when i dpkg -l alsa* |
| 01:59.41 | malverian | stew: Thanks. |
| 01:59.42 | abrotman | threat2: lenny |
| 02:00.18 | threat2 | abrotman: and will lenny take as long to be released, as say, sarge was. |
| 02:00.18 | stew | threat2: etch |
| 02:00.18 | threat2 | etch even :) |
| 02:00.19 | threat2 | whatever |
| 02:00.23 | abrotman | threat2: i hope so |
| 02:00.24 | threat2 | etch sounds more toy story than lenny |
| 02:00.36 | marek | does that mean i dont have alsa? |
| 02:00.43 | stew | threat2: etch will not take as long to release as sarge did. it should release soon /msg dpkg wwer ; /msg dpkg release history |
| 02:00.52 | abrotman | stew: it might ... |
| 02:01.00 | threat2 | stew: nice |
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| 02:01.28 | xsdg | marek: dpkg -l 'alsa*' |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | stew: it's not looking so good lately! |
| 02:01.35 | stew | marek: "dpkg -l alsa\*" |
| 02:01.43 | xsdg | marek: the quotes prevent your shell from interpreting the * before dpkg does |
| 02:01.55 | marek | ah |
| 02:02.05 | stew | abrotman: its fine, we have new d-i rc, which was the biggest roadblock afaik |
| 02:02.07 | marek | un alsa <none> (no description available) |
| 02:02.26 | abrotman | 106 RC bugs! |
| 02:02.47 | dvs | damn |
| 02:03.08 | stew | abrotman: watch for the RMs to start getting more agressive with removing packages |
| 02:03.08 | marek | yer-als 0.99.76-9 PCM p |
| 02:03.13 | marek | http://rafb.net/p/xWorDS84.html |
| 02:03.16 | threat2 | stew: your involved in debian development? |
| 02:03.16 | marek | there is the full output of it |
| 02:03.29 | abrotman | stew: or fix them ? |
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| 02:03.56 | stew | threat2: i maintain a couple of packages and fix bugs when i can |
| 02:04.14 | hexoffset | Have a question. Running Etch with XFCE 4.4. OpenOffice looks fine in Gnome, looks like Windows 3.1 interface in XFCE |
| 02:04.23 | threat2 | stew: nice, what packages do you maintain? |
| 02:05.07 | stew | threat2: rosegarden, ivman, gnuserv |
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| 02:05.42 | hexoffset | any takers? |
| 02:05.56 | k-man | what is the debian way of adding services to a particular runlevel? |
| 02:06.14 | Guerin | k-man: /msg dpkg services |
| 02:06.20 | k-man | thanks |
| 02:06.20 | stew | k-man: man update-rc.d |
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| 02:06.44 | Guerin | hexoffset: your description is both inaccurate and useless. |
| 02:07.03 | hexoffset | Guerin: you want a picture? i'll send u the link |
| 02:07.10 | Guerin | hexoffset: sure |
| 02:07.14 | hexoffset | http://creeka.ath.cx:7280/wtf.jpg |
| 02:08.02 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:08.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:08.13 | Guerin | hexoffset: i don't get it. |
| 02:08.21 | Guerin | hexoffset: i mean, I don't see the issue. |
| 02:08.36 | hexoffset | i mean it still works like it should. just looks like ass. |
| 02:08.39 | Guerin | the big text in the lower window is the problem? |
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| 02:08.50 | hexoffset | plus it makes all the toolbars HUGE |
| 02:08.57 | Guerin | mm |
| 02:09.14 | Guerin | and the colour scheme isn't matching |
| 02:09.19 | Guerin | no idea how to fix that |
| 02:09.28 | hexoffset | yeah i'm stumped |
| 02:09.36 | marek | same problem for me |
| 02:09.38 | marek | it looks horrible |
| 02:09.49 | marek | etch, xfce4 |
| 02:09.52 | Guerin | oo.o always looked horrible to me :) |
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| 02:10.05 | marek | it looks fine for me on windows |
| 02:10.07 | xored | hello guys. I want to use TC with on my current debian machine, which acts as Server (apache, ldap, dhcp, dns etc ) and as router for several clients ( it all private a home ). No i want to get trafficshaping running and i though maybe of ipcop ? what do you think ? |
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| 02:10.13 | hexoffset | looks fine for me on windows, gnome |
| 02:10.13 | marek | and with ubuntu too i think |
| 02:10.13 | Guerin | you mean it looks like a windows app |
| 02:10.26 | Guerin | shock, since it uses the only toolkit native to windows |
| 02:10.26 | hexoffset | no i mean it looks plain awful |
| 02:10.31 | marek | yeah |
| 02:10.33 | hexoffset | like gtk .00025 or something |
| 02:10.47 | marek | firefox looks good |
| 02:10.49 | marek | so does xchat |
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| 02:10.55 | hexoffset | marek look at my screen shot |
| 02:10.55 | marek | and gaim |
| 02:10.55 | hexoffset | http://creeka.ath.cx:7280/wtf.jpg |
| 02:10.59 | marek | yeah i saw it |
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| 02:11.01 | marek | mine is the same |
| 02:11.32 | hexoffset | brb might have found a solution |
| 02:11.36 | Guerin | hexoffset: so how did you get the two different schemes on your xfce desktop? |
| 02:11.41 | abrotman | hexoffset: what's wrong with that ? |
| 02:12.06 | hexoffset | Guerin, abrotman, its ugly and affects the usability because the menus become slow and toolbars become huge |
| 02:12.19 | abrotman | dunno .. looks fine to me |
| 02:12.26 | marek | true dat, jsut because its so horrible i started using google docs |
| 02:12.30 | abrotman | you're lucky you have an editor .. back in my day ... |
| 02:12.36 | marek | i liked the old writely interface better |
| 02:12.43 | Guerin | just use LaTeX |
| 02:12.48 | ctp | debootstrapping an environment, does it depend on the machine i'm running it? i have to debootstrap an environment on a desktop for a server, where i can't install debootstrap directly. so does debootstrap allow the user to create such cross-environment? |
| 02:12.51 | Guerin | in emacs |
| 02:12.54 | hexoffset | did you look at the openoffice window and not the abiword window (i put in for comparison) in the screen shot |
| 02:13.13 | Guerin | hexoffset: oh, one is abiword |
| 02:13.15 | Guerin | i see |
| 02:13.22 | marek | the lower one is oo |
| 02:13.27 | hexoffset | indeed |
| 02:13.33 | Guerin | yes, i thought they were both oo.o |
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| 02:13.52 | Guerin | ok, i expect the thing is because oo.o dfoesn't use gtk, it uses its own toolkit |
| 02:14.03 | hexoffset | oh |
| 02:14.07 | hexoffset | thats crap. |
| 02:14.22 | Guerin | there's a gnome compatibility package which I think makes gnome appluy some settings to it, but nonesuch for kde |
| 02:14.27 | hexoffset | so basically it only looks like it should in gnome and on ms windows |
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| 02:14.42 | Guerin | you might get away with it if you start a bunch of gnome's bloated subsystems |
| 02:14.54 | Guerin | no, like it `should' is how it looks there |
| 02:15.03 | Guerin | that's how it looks defaultly |
| 02:15.09 | hexoffset | Guerin: the reason I went to XFCE was to get away from GNOMEs bloat |
| 02:15.11 | Guerin | on gnome it looks *different* |
| 02:15.21 | hexoffset | but I can deal with it I suppose |
| 02:15.32 | Guerin | as a workaround, it's possible to downscale the UI by arbitrary %ages |
| 02:15.37 | marek | hexoffset, get a google account and check out google docs |
| 02:15.39 | Guerin | in the options someplace |
| 02:15.44 | hexoffset | marek: will do |
| 02:16.06 | madd_matt | I run firefox in KDE, but file associations are taken from gnome, which came with debian. I'd like it to use the file associations for programs from kde. What can I do? |
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| 02:16.43 | Guerin | madd_matt: no idea. |
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| 02:18.02 | hexoffset | well guys, just so you know... installing gtk2-engines-xfce doesn't fix the problem |
| 02:18.37 | marek | umm |
| 02:18.43 | marek | back to my sound mixing question |
| 02:19.23 | marek | i created a file .asoundrc and coppied this into it http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf |
| 02:19.28 | marek | and its still not mixing sound right |
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| 02:19.52 | abrotman | madd_matt: gnome-default-applications-properties |
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| 02:21.43 | marek | anyone? |
| 02:21.53 | marek | i'm trying to make it so that the sound card wont be busy |
| 02:21.58 | marek | so that multiple programs can use it |
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| 02:22.09 | hexoffset | are you using ALSA? |
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| 02:22.34 | marek | http://rafb.net/p/H2xBRk41.html |
| 02:22.35 | threat2 | I use alsa |
| 02:22.36 | marek | i think so |
| 02:22.38 | threat2 | alsa is great |
| 02:22.43 | marek | that is the output of dpkg -l 'alsa*' |
| 02:23.25 | hexoffset | try installing alsa-oss |
| 02:23.29 | madd_matt | marek, why do you need a custom .asoundrc? |
| 02:23.40 | stoned | don't need one afaik |
| 02:23.41 | threat2 | ii alsa-oss 1.0.8-1 ALSA wrapper for OSS applications |
| 02:23.47 | madd_matt | marek, what you have seems standard to me. |
| 02:23.59 | threat2 | ii alsa-base 1.0.10-4ubuntu4 ALSA driver configuration files |
| 02:24.23 | marek | when i go to play a mp3 with xmms it says check that the sound card is not busy |
| 02:24.25 | threat2 | ii alsa-utils 1.0.8-4 ALSA utilities |
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| 02:24.41 | threat2 | haha, ignore that ubuntu alsa-base line, wrong host :P |
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| 02:25.50 | thompa | i have an hp laserjet 1018 that used to work until i tried to update the drivers i think, now ive installed debian and it still wont work |
| 02:26.02 | marek | so..? |
| 02:26.06 | |zetetic| | Hi all. I' m running debian etch. I installed aMule from the repositories. I have high ID on Ed2K network, but I can't connect to KAD network at all! Is aMule broken? |
| 02:26.08 | hexoffset | thompa, dont fix it if it aint broken |
| 02:26.12 | thompa | i get state:stopped |
| 02:26.39 | hexoffset | marek, close all apps that use sound, do apt-get install alsa-oss, then /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 02:26.54 | PieFinger | i am trying to run depmod, but cant mount the file i need on the CDrom |
| 02:27.01 | thompa | it had bottom part of page cut off |
| 02:27.04 | marek | ok |
| 02:27.14 | PieFinger | what is wrong with: |
| 02:27.15 | PieFinger | # mount /mnt/auto/cdrom/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX /mnt/test -o ro, loop=/dev/cloop60 |
| 02:27.16 | thompa | hexoffset: it was in ubuntu |
| 02:27.31 | marek | hexoffset, should i also reload /etc/init.d/alsa? |
| 02:28.04 | thompa | hexoffset: so i think the firmware got upgraded maybe in ubuntu, now here in etch it still is same error |
| 02:28.05 | hexoffset | marek, sure |
| 02:28.56 | hexoffset | thompa, i doubt you did anything with the printers firmware |
| 02:29.03 | |zetetic| | oh my. There's really something wornk with aMule... When I started donwloading my first file on aMule, KAD network automatically connected! |
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| 02:29.10 | thompa | hexoffset: evertime i print anything it says state stopped afterward, |
| 02:29.14 | hexoffset | but the printers thing is beyond me sorry maybe someone else can help you thompa |
| 02:29.25 | hexoffset | perhaps restart cups-sys ? |
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| 02:29.49 | marek | hexoffset, okay there was nothing to install when i tried to install alsa-oss |
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| 02:30.26 | hexoffset | marek, have you gone into xmms settings and looked for the output setting? |
| 02:30.36 | hexoffset | usually its default is OSS or ESD |
| 02:30.43 | marek | hexoffset, nope.. |
| 02:30.44 | thompa | ive tried almost every thing 3 times i could |
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| 02:31.17 | hexoffset | thompa, the only thing I can say is remove the printer, restart, add it again and see if it works? |
| 02:31.28 | hexoffset | and make sure the printer que is empty |
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| 02:31.51 | thompa | hexoffset: ill try it in debian this time, its weird that in ubuntu i had the same error |
| 02:32.04 | thompa | i mean after a reinstall it would still not work |
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| 02:32.17 | hexoffset | marek, also... have you tried beep-media-player? |
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| 02:32.26 | hexoffset | its a fork of xmms but more updated |
| 02:32.34 | impl | so, anyone want to throw wavpack support into xine-lib in experimental for me? :D |
| 02:32.41 | thompa | im supposed to use foo2zjs from here http://foo2zjs.rkkda.com/ |
| 02:32.50 | marek | hexoffset, but the point is to play music from 2 programs at the same time |
| 02:33.16 | karsten | marek: ALSA, I think, is what you want. |
| 02:33.18 | hexoffset | i know |
| 02:33.37 | hexoffset | im just saying that if tinkering with xmms settings dont work try using beep-media-player with ALSA output and see if it fixes the problem |
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| 02:34.27 | ntbnnt | haha, has anyone has a load of trouble with SIS chipsets in debain? |
| 02:34.28 | hexoffset | unless you have a really ancient sound card, with everything set to use ALSA you shouldn't have a problem |
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| 02:35.10 | simonrvn | it's good to be back :) |
| 02:35.26 | stoned | good to have you back |
| 02:35.29 | simonrvn | :) |
| 02:35.31 | simonrvn | ty :) |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | simonrvn: you live! |
| 02:35.37 | simonrvn | yup |
| 02:35.43 | marek | hexoffset, its some intel integrated one |
| 02:35.44 | stoned | Heya Hoya! |
| 02:35.45 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:35.50 | stoned | He was always with us |
| 02:35.55 | stoned | In spirit. |
| 02:35.55 | karsten | simonrvn: Welcome back! |
| 02:36.05 | simonrvn | ty ty |
| 02:36.17 | stoned | simonrvn: so where were you? |
| 02:36.33 | graytron_ | hah! kqemu is now fully GPL? |
| 02:36.33 | hexoffset | marek, did u change the output plugin in XMMS? |
| 02:36.33 | thompa | reinstalling printer dont work |
| 02:36.59 | hexoffset | thompa, sorry can't help you |
| 02:37.04 | Xenguy | graytron_: yay :-) |
| 02:37.13 | abrotman | graytron_: might as well .. KVM is in kernel |
| 02:37.17 | karsten | graytron_: Yep. Or will be soon. |
| 02:37.19 | marek | hexoffset, let me check the settings |
| 02:37.24 | Xenguy | and virtualbox is out and about |
| 02:37.43 | graytron_ | karsten: soon? |
| 02:37.48 | thompa | its ok hexoffset, its beyond me |
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| 02:37.49 | graytron_ | not yet? |
| 02:38.01 | Xenguy | graytron_: in experimental today IIRC ? |
| 02:38.16 | marek | woho it worked |
| 02:38.17 | abrotman | karsten: news seemed to imply it was |
| 02:38.20 | marek | hexoffset, yeah it was on oss not alsa |
| 02:38.22 | marek | now it works |
| 02:38.25 | thompa | i think its the firmware i installed it also |
| 02:38.29 | graytron_ | Xenguy: what? |
| 02:38.38 | simonrvn | ISP BS... |
| 02:38.45 | Xenguy | graytron_: kqemu |
| 02:38.45 | simonrvn | brb |
| 02:38.46 | karsten | graytron_: In the sense of it will take a while to filter into Debian repos, etc. |
| 02:38.55 | hexoffset | marek, so now you can hear sounds in other things? |
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| 02:39.08 | graytron_ | karsten: oh. i was just wondering the license issue |
| 02:39.12 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:39.21 | thompa | also strange was it worked in debian about etch 10 days ago |
| 02:39.39 | marek | yep |
| 02:39.41 | marek | it works with firefox too |
| 02:39.43 | hexoffset | cool |
| 02:39.51 | hexoffset | i had the same problem quite awhile ago |
| 02:39.59 | graytron_ | *happy* |
| 02:39.59 | marek | i also did copy a .asoundrc file though |
| 02:40.04 | Azar | all honorables here that love buying the latest and greatest hardware might know how shitty the new hardware drivers are |
| 02:40.08 | hexoffset | i don't have an .asoundrc |
| 02:40.11 | simonrvn | re |
| 02:40.22 | karsten | !wb simonrvn |
| 02:40.23 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! simonrvn has returned! |
| 02:40.39 | Azar | number one shitty newest hardware: the video cards |
| 02:40.46 | impl | hai |
| 02:40.50 | impl | fix xine for me plz. |
| 02:40.50 | h3xis | ^^ |
| 02:40.55 | h3xis | what's wrong with it |
| 02:41.03 | impl | It doesn't have wavpack support :( |
| 02:41.04 | Azar | simonrvn: you lost dondelecaro's birthday |
| 02:41.07 | karsten | Azar: That situation looks highly likely to improve markedly. |
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| 02:41.14 | karsten | !tell impl about smart questions |
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| 02:41.33 | karsten | Azar: WiFi isn't far behind. |
| 02:41.36 | abrotman | !tell karsten about bob |
| 02:41.37 | hexoffset | so is VirtualBox better than Qemu?? |
| 02:41.38 | Azar | karsten: all I see in the news is a prep for a consumer lawsuit against nvidia's newest cards |
| 02:41.40 | impl | lawl |
| 02:41.57 | karsten | Azar: Howzat? |
| 02:42.08 | Azar | ... that do not seem to work on any OS so far :) |
| 02:42.11 | hexoffset | Azar, a lawsuit because they have to develop drivers for a super-buggy unready unstable OS |
| 02:42.14 | karsten | Azar: aLL i'M SEEING IN THE NEWS SI ASTROCHICKS GONE BATSH*T CRAZY. |
| 02:42.15 | impl | karsten: xine-lib in experimental (1.1.4) should have support for a demux/input for wv (WavPack) files, but it doesn't |
| 02:42.21 | Azar | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070206-8784.html |
| 02:42.29 | Azar | karsten: hahaha |
| 02:42.32 | impl | It was just released a few days ago, so I presume whoever the maintainer is will take care of it in due time |
| 02:42.40 | simonrvn | oh well :/ |
| 02:42.52 | abrotman | simonrvn: is it cold yet? :) |
| 02:42.53 | Azar | luckily on Debian I learned to use moderate hardware |
| 02:43.03 | simonrvn | it's fucking freezing |
| 02:43.07 | Azar | errrr well proven to work hardware I ment |
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| 02:43.37 | Azar | simonrvn: all mid-west is widely advertised with icing weather on the news |
| 02:43.38 | karsten | simonrvn: Not a problem if you've got a partner ;-) |
| 02:43.44 | simonrvn | nope =) |
| 02:43.57 | Azar | then let the whiskey/vodka kick in |
| 02:45.33 | Azar | hexoffset: the story goes like this: nvidia wants to beat the competition's ass. The voles want the same, they build some quickies, and not worry about bugs but AFTER they rush the shitty product on the market, cash-in then, if they have time fix the bugs |
| 02:46.10 | Azar | so if I hear one more time someone asking : when is etch coming out, im gonna kick his ass |
| 02:46.21 | Azar | shaddap and wait |
| 02:46.28 | LeFallen | So when's etch... nevermind |
| 02:46.35 | Xenguy | or just install it :P |
| 02:46.41 | impl | I'm still waiting for potato. I'm on dialup, see. |
| 02:46.51 | simonrvn | on m68k? :P |
| 02:47.03 | Azar | Debian is not rushing into any competition, want quickies? go to ubuntu |
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| 02:47.13 | karsten | me hands Azar a donkey |
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| 02:47.24 | Azar | donkey? for what? |
| 02:47.45 | karsten | Azar: ... for you to kick. |
| 02:48.03 | eldowan | does the debian vlan package provide install and go functionality, or does the kernel need reconfiguring? |
| 02:48.57 | Azar | this box I am on right now, is a small one, and I have it custom built. And is about 2 and half years old. And was made specially for Debian. And I have some more boxes but THIS one runs on any OS but macs. And is darn good. I do not need new hardware bah |
| 02:49.03 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:49.45 | thompa | alsa to save my day |
| 02:50.10 | stew | eldowan: a debian kernel would come with vlan support enabled |
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| 02:51.32 | magyar | hi, i noticed on a lot of websites the anoying "Windows Live" search on hyper links. Is ther a way to disable that shit? |
| 02:52.12 | zinx | uhm, wha? |
| 02:52.15 | pinbalwiz | Anyone know what the number column following the permissions in the filetree stand for? It's before the ownership and filesize columns. |
| 02:52.16 | karsten | magyar: greasemonkey? |
| 02:52.25 | karsten | magyar: Almost certainly javascript |
| 02:52.42 | eldowan | stew: thanks, other than the vlan package, are there any other pertinent packages for vlan usage/management? |
| 02:52.45 | ntbnnt | its java |
| 02:52.54 | stew | eldowan: dunno |
| 02:53.16 | magyar | how to disable it? |
| 02:53.33 | magyar | f**in anoying, microsoft with their inovations |
| 02:53.34 | ntbnnt | magyar: i looked into that, and well, i just stay away from those sites... |
| 02:53.41 | karsten | magyar: Don't go there ;-) |
| 02:53.46 | ntbnnt | :) |
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| 02:53.58 | magyar | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/35458-driver-webcam.html |
| 02:54.01 | magyar | o yeah |
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| 02:54.49 | eldowan | Xenguy: there is a url or two you can disable to block most of those double underline links, just a sec and I'll see if i can dig some info up. |
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| 02:55.10 | stoned | eldowan: |
| 02:55.17 | eldowan | stoned: |
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| 02:55.25 | stoned | I go tit |
| 02:55.27 | stoned | er.. |
| 02:55.29 | stoned | got it* |
| 02:55.34 | karsten | Is ther eany good way to track down processes older than a certain age (elapsed time, not CPU)? |
| 02:55.44 | Azar | magyar: the best way to save yourself aggravations is quit windows altogether. I did it 3 years ago , and back then, I was using Debian Woody... not very eye-candy for a beginner |
| 02:55.50 | stoned | eldowan: beryl/xgl/dri/cube/spinning |
| 02:55.56 | karsten | stoned: You go tit right the first time |
| 02:55.58 | magyar | Azar: I am on sid |
| 02:55.59 | eldowan | stoned: sweet. |
| 02:56.01 | stoned | lol |
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| 02:56.26 | Azar | magyar: then you have everything you possibly want >> why keep sticking with windows |
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| 02:57.22 | Azar | myself I feel 100 times happier staying with Debian. I got everyting I need |
| 02:57.27 | stoned | eldowan: I have no experienced any slowdown in system with any of this stuff |
| 02:57.34 | stoned | not* |
| 02:57.38 | nn-main | good night all |
| 02:57.51 | pickcoder | stew: run into any issues with the snoopy fix? |
| 02:58.12 | magyar | Azar: i have no windows! |
| 02:58.23 | eldowan | stoned: how do videos play? |
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| 02:58.38 | itrebal | is it safe to change the mirrors to Etch and then doing apt-get update apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:58.55 | eldowan | itrebal: all mirrors should be equal. |
| 02:59.02 | eldowan | itrebal: are you going sarge -> etch? |
| 02:59.05 | itrebal | yea |
| 02:59.13 | stoned | eldowan: I can wobble and screw around with 3 mplayer windows running |
| 02:59.28 | stoned | eldowan: amarok, few broswer windows, editors, apps you name it |
| 02:59.36 | stoned | eldowan: nothing has slowd down AT ALL |
| 02:59.55 | magyar | no pr0n |
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| 02:59.57 | troubled | stoned: you run win inside emulator? hows that workin for ya? |
| 02:59.58 | eldowan | stoned: I guess it is my shuttle and ULi chipset not working correctly then. |
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| 03:00.09 | eldowan | troubled: |
| 03:00.10 | Azar | wow DNS servers attacked anyone experienced any discomfort? |
| 03:00.22 | karsten | troubled: For the two apps I need from Windows: rdesktop |
| 03:00.23 | eldowan | troubled: actually, I run windows in a VM, and experience hardly any slowdown, if any at all |
| 03:00.39 | rokfit | can anyone help me configure wine |
| 03:00.43 | itrebal | eldowan: is it safe to upgrade from sarge -> etch? |
| 03:00.43 | pickcoder | itrebal: why not do a dist-upgrade properly? |
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| 03:00.57 | itrebal | pickcoder: err.. yea, I'd do a dist-upgrade.. thats what I ment - but is it safe |
| 03:01.00 | eldowan | itrebal: it should be, but I havent done it. |
| 03:01.06 | itrebal | whats the chances it will break the system? |
| 03:01.16 | eldowan | itrebal: never used sarge, don't know. |
| 03:01.46 | pickcoder | itrebal: just make sure you have the kernel-image-2.6-<arch> package installed and review what apt/aptitude is going to do before you commit with a "Y" response |
| 03:01.59 | troubled | eldowan: good to know. my issue is this copy of xp pro is actually legit and autorized to this install. I get the feeling that i would either have to call MS and beg them to reactivate it for the virtual environment. install a pir8 copy or reinstall xp every 30 days :( |
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| 03:02.29 | dendrite | stoned: So, what was causing you all that trouble, and how did you track it down? |
| 03:02.32 | eldowan | itrebal: /msg dpkg sarge->etch also |
| 03:02.44 | amphi | troubled: brilliant - sounds like you need a new vendor ;) |
| 03:03.02 | troubled | amphi: dont get me started about activation :( |
| 03:03.18 | amphi | I know nothing about it |
| 03:03.22 | itrebal | eldowan: sorry 'bout that, had you up to send a message in the chan, and it xfered to the /msg :) |
| 03:03.26 | stoned | system is as responsive as it could be with |
| 03:03.29 | stoned | er.. |
| 03:03.30 | stoned | wtf |
| 03:03.32 | Azar | troubled: a good chance for you to install Debian and quit windows |
| 03:03.35 | stoned | neighbour |
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| 03:03.43 | troubled | amphi: i didnt til like a fool i actually PAID for a copy of legit and went legit..... :) |
| 03:03.47 | pickcoder | troubled: you can reset your activation online.. there is a tool for that somewhere on the support site |
| 03:03.48 | stoned | anyway.. |
| 03:03.56 | pickcoder | but regardless, it's OT |
| 03:03.57 | stoned | troubled: no I am not running windows inside linux |
| 03:04.00 | troubled | err first legit = windows |
| 03:04.03 | amphi | troubled: that'll larn ye ;) |
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| 03:04.17 | stoned | dendrite: I couldn't and I have not been able to |
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| 03:04.41 | jasonb | hi all |
| 03:04.46 | dendrite | stoned: Hmph. |
| 03:04.48 | stoned | dendrite: Xgl launches as root now, but crashes with no screens found, and I've gone through pretty much every single line in the log. |
| 03:04.50 | troubled | amphi: lol ya tell me about it. its been rock solid though for the most part. mind you once this hardware dies ill be lucky if MS reactivates it on diff hardware :/ |
| 03:04.56 | Azar | troubled: maybe this will help you understand not to buy software that locks you up. Get a refund and move to linux |
| 03:05.00 | itrebal | is there any concern about doing the dist-upgrade through SSH? |
| 03:05.00 | stoned | dendrite: Xgl does not launch as regular user from cli. |
| 03:05.16 | jasonb | What's the name of the GUI program that i can use in X to edit users and groups? |
| 03:05.18 | stoned | dendrite: however, if I am in Xorg.. I can start Xgl inside Xnest on a different :X display |
| 03:05.19 | pickcoder | itrebal: use screen and you won't have to worry about disconnects |
| 03:05.25 | impl | jasonb: emacs |
| 03:05.32 | itrebal | pickcoder: eh? |
| 03:05.33 | stoned | dendrite: then I load beryl wm, and then I load xfce inside that Xnest Xgl |
| 03:05.36 | amphi | troubled: I've heard that recent versions of windows are more stable than of yore |
| 03:05.38 | impl | o, y helo thar itrebal |
| 03:05.40 | pickcoder | itrebal: apt-cache search screen |
| 03:05.42 | stoned | dendrite: it only shows up on my 2nd monitor. |
| 03:05.51 | jasonb | impl |
| 03:05.56 | dendrite | stoned: Wow. Maybe you should run qemu inside of that, and go 'round again. |
| 03:05.56 | pickcoder | amphi: windows is way OT |
| 03:05.56 | stoned | dendrite: dual head setup, monitor one is Xorg, while monitor 2 is Xgl/beryl fullscreen |
| 03:06.01 | troubled | Azar: nah, not possible at this point since im using it :) but normally i do have a few boxes which are all exclusively debian running. just not my main win box thats all |
| 03:06.03 | stoned | dendrite: lol |
| 03:06.09 | amphi | pickcoder: it is indee |
| 03:06.11 | amphi | d |
| 03:06.20 | itrebal | pickcoder: I don't see the need to do it, I'm not IRCing through SSH, I'm considering upgrading my server, which is in a datacenter 3000 miles away, via ssh, to Etch |
| 03:06.35 | stoned | dendrite: I pretty much just found a way around it |
| 03:06.36 | pickcoder | itrebal: a need to do what |
| 03:06.40 | itrebal | pickcoder: use screen |
| 03:06.41 | impl | itrebal: In case your connection drops? |
| 03:06.45 | Azar | troubled: download Debian and Install it. Quit windows. And if you still feel the need to talk about windows, this is not the place. We talk Debian here |
| 03:06.46 | impl | screen won't die... |
| 03:06.51 | itrebal | aahh I understand now |
| 03:06.54 | pickcoder | itrebal: then why did you ask about issues with using SSH?? |
| 03:06.57 | stoned | dendrite: I still have not fixed anything... kinda getting sick of linux but I like this sickness |
| 03:07.10 | itrebal | pickcoder: just making sure there weren't other issues.. like it wouldn't work :P |
| 03:07.22 | stoned | dendrite: its a vicious cycle, I hate linux when it doesn't do shit I want it to do, however, it is fun trying to make it work |
| 03:07.27 | stoned | dendrite: I can't figure it out! |
| 03:07.32 | stoned | dendrite: I think I might be insane |
| 03:07.34 | pickcoder | itrebal: screen will let you reconnect to the apt in-session if your connection drops |
| 03:07.35 | troubled | amphi: although I will say this. I have no intention of every buying vista. once this box goes down thats it. |
| 03:07.35 | dendrite | itrebal: Moving from Sarge to Etch is not without its risks. |
| 03:07.40 | jasonb | No, i mean a the gnome user editing program.. i just installed gnome-core (the basics) and i cant find it |
| 03:07.42 | troubled | err azar ^^^ |
| 03:07.55 | dendrite | stoned: If one is insane, how does one know? |
| 03:07.57 | eldowan | stoned: no doubt |
| 03:07.59 | pickcoder | itrebal: if you are running X, you may have to fix a few things manually |
| 03:08.07 | amphi | troubled: I'm shocked, shocked I say ;) |
| 03:08.08 | dendrite | Ah, that's how; eldowan tells you. =) |
| 03:08.11 | pickcoder | other than that and the kernel meta package deal, I've had no problems |
| 03:08.14 | stoned | well |
| 03:08.16 | itrebal | dendrite: are any of them documented, something I could look at? |
| 03:08.21 | jasonb | It's usually under Administration.. i think i have to install it manually, does anyone know what it's called? |
| 03:08.23 | pickcoder | and I've upgraded around a dozen times |
| 03:08.32 | troubled | Azar: you make it sound like ive never been here before :p |
| 03:08.33 | pickcoder | some older than 3.1r2 |
| 03:08.40 | abrotman | users-admin |
| 03:08.49 | dendrite | itrebal: Well, there are ~ 100 RC critical bugs against etch... But aside from that, no OS upgrade is ever a sure thing. |
| 03:08.50 | abrotman | jasonb: users-admin |
| 03:08.53 | stoned | dendrite: the definition of insanity.. I think.. is repeating the same task over and over and expecting a different result, when it is known that there will only always be a static outcome |
| 03:08.53 | abrotman | !tell jasonb about search |
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| 03:09.00 | troubled | amphi: sorry father, didnt mean to confess my sins to you, was directed at Azar :) |
| 03:09.10 | stoned | dendrite: so yeah, I do stuff over and over when I know its not going to be any different |
| 03:09.17 | dendrite | stoned: That is certainly one working definition. |
| 03:09.21 | pickcoder | itrebal: is there a specific reason you want Etch? |
| 03:09.27 | dendrite | stoned: Bring stoned can do that. |
| 03:09.37 | dendrite | s/Bring/Being/ |
| 03:09.38 | stoned | what? |
| 03:09.39 | stoned | ahh |
| 03:09.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:09.41 | stoned | being |
| 03:10.18 | jasonb | apt-get install users-admin doesn't bring up anything :( |
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| 03:10.26 | itrebal | pickcoder: PHP, MySQL, and PostgreSQL's versions are quite old.. I've gotten around PHP's with backports, MySQL's I can live with, and PostgreSQL's backports have some weird dependancies |
| 03:10.26 | troubled | amphi: thanks? *shrugs* |
| 03:10.27 | mhiku | can i install automake without automake? |
| 03:10.27 | dendrite | itrebal: pickcoder asks a good question. Sarge will be supported for another year and more. What's the rush? |
| 03:10.30 | rahul | he felt even more stoned for a second there |
| 03:10.40 | troubled | rahul! |
| 03:10.44 | dendrite | itrebal: Backports will complicate the upgrade. |
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| 03:10.48 | xtknight | how do the maintainers manage to make all those deb files? is there some coordinated way to configure source the same way using the same dev packages and compile it bi-arch? |
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| 03:10.55 | pickcoder | itrebal: there are still bug fixes being released for MySQL 5 |
| 03:10.56 | rahul | troubled! |
| 03:10.57 | amphi | troubled: twas you brought the clergy into this ;) |
| 03:11.07 | zinx | xtknight: uhm, of course |
| 03:11.10 | stoned | clergy! |
| 03:11.12 | zinx | xtknight: it's called dpkg |
| 03:11.13 | stoned | I got beef with clergy! |
| 03:11.16 | stoned | where is clergy! |
| 03:11.17 | troubled | amphi: doesnt mean i understood what you said :) |
| 03:11.23 | stoned | goddamn witnesses of jehova |
| 03:11.31 | pickcoder | itrebal: and you don't have a choice.. it's v5 or nothing |
| 03:11.38 | rahul | stoned: roast beef or ground beef? |
| 03:11.41 | zinx | xtknight: the debian sources are set up to build debian packages |
| 03:11.47 | stoned | I can't spell |
| 03:11.55 | rahul | speaking of holy cow.... |
| 03:11.59 | stoned | lol |
| 03:12.14 | amphi | heh |
| 03:12.16 | troubled | amphi: i know about astro physics than i do about religion :) |
| 03:12.23 | xtknight | zinx: lets say i wanted to build the cvs version of gstreamer. is there any way to do that on i386 and amd64 at once ? (like cross compile) |
| 03:12.26 | stoned | astro physics huh |
| 03:12.29 | itrebal | pickcoder: for MySQL? MySQL isn't my concern - my concern is PostgreSQL - my data is currently on a 8.0.9 server, and the data dumps are not BC |
| 03:12.29 | amphi | troubled: I should hope so too |
| 03:12.31 | stoned | ooooh. so impressive |
| 03:12.32 | troubled | or politics for that matter..... |
| 03:12.33 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:12.42 | rahul | asstrophysics |
| 03:12.47 | troubled | :) |
| 03:12.47 | dendrite | itrebal: Given that you have backports and other "irregularities", you should write out (literally) an upgrade plan. YOu will need to do things like dump and restore pg, and so on. A test server would be a big help for you. |
| 03:12.51 | rahul | ass trophy! |
| 03:12.54 | stoned | dude |
| 03:12.56 | stoned | no |
| 03:12.57 | pickcoder | itrebal: can you dupe your existing root on another box and run a live test upgrade? |
| 03:13.00 | rahul | heh |
| 03:13.07 | abrotman | itrebal: you can dump in sql scripts |
| 03:13.08 | dendrite | itrebal: Ah, you're already on pg 8? That's probably better. |
| 03:13.11 | pickcoder | if it's a critical box I wouldn't try a dist-upgrade one-time around |
| 03:13.27 | troubled | oooh baby |
| 03:13.34 | itrebal | dendrite: I want to stay on PgSQL8, but I can't get it to install |
| 03:13.48 | troubled | rahul: the hardcore's know em by name ;) |
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| 03:13.56 | dendrite | itrebal: I thought you were on 8.0.9. |
| 03:14.05 | abrotman | can't get what to install ? the debian package ? |
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| 03:14.06 | rahul | actually, I like jenna haze's better :P |
| 03:14.10 | itrebal | dendrite: correct, I'm on PgSQL 8 on a different system |
| 03:14.17 | stoned | !ot |
| 03:14.17 | dpkg | from memory, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 03:14.18 | xtknight | perhaps a better question is: how do i install all the packages i have on my host to my chroot automatically? that way my configured sources will match |
| 03:14.19 | troubled | rahul: bruneette? |
| 03:14.20 | rahul | heh |
| 03:14.27 | stoned | we're not going to discuss pornstars in #debian |
| 03:14.30 | rahul | troubled: and what a brunette |
| 03:14.34 | troubled | heh sorry :) |
| 03:14.42 | itrebal | I'm migrating from one server thats locally hosted, but the server is dying, to one I'm renting |
| 03:14.43 | dendrite | itrebal: Ah. Well, given what you've said, I wouldn't expect a dist-upgrade to go perfectly. |
| 03:14.43 | pickcoder | eldowan: worse than buying a retired rental car, eh? |
| 03:14.45 | rahul | hey, I'm talking about her from a purely platonic standpoint :P |
| 03:14.52 | troubled | stoned: wait....who said anything about pronstars? |
| 03:14.54 | eldowan | pickcoder: and how |
| 03:14.54 | stoned | rahul: #debian-offtopic |
| 03:15.10 | abrotman | right .. pr0n bad .. pot good ? |
| 03:15.16 | rahul | heh |
| 03:15.16 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 03:15.18 | troubled | touche |
| 03:15.26 | adrakoa | hi |
| 03:15.26 | stoned | abrotman: pr0n awesome... pot good... ot in #debian |
| 03:15.30 | stoned | pot is ok I guess |
| 03:15.35 | abrotman | doesn't stop you any other time |
| 03:15.37 | stoned | but pr0n here is like highly inappropriate |
| 03:15.44 | stoned | i dont' talk about pornstars i here |
| 03:15.46 | itrebal | abrotman: I considered doing dumps of the data via regular SQL, but with any large ammount of data its quite insanely slow |
| 03:15.50 | stoned | pullup logs from the past few years |
| 03:15.59 | stoned | I'm willing to be money |
| 03:16.03 | stoned | bet* |
| 03:16.06 | impl | Betting is offtopic |
| 03:16.16 | abrotman | itrebal: sure is .. and probably the best way to get it done correctly too |
| 03:16.28 | eldowan | and for that matter, so is arguing about what is OT, isn't it? |
| 03:16.42 | impl | eldowan: PARADOX |
| 03:16.49 | troubled | ahh, the good ol' daze *ahem* |
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| 03:16.49 | itrebal | abrotman: by using COPY statements instead, its much faster and still just as effective; the pg dump is also just fine as well |
| 03:16.53 | stoned | oxy.. morons |
| 03:16.53 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:16.56 | stoned | hehehe |
| 03:17.06 | abrotman | itrebal: okay .. so what's the real problem ? |
| 03:17.22 | stoned | you know, 'moron' was a medical term back in the 1800's |
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| 03:17.33 | abrotman | you know .. it's OT .. try #debian-offtopic |
| 03:17.47 | stoned | moron is/was the word used to describe semi retarded children |
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| 03:17.53 | stoned | the likes of which we find here in #debian |
| 03:18.01 | abrotman | why stop .. watch the idiot box just spew |
| 03:18.26 | stoned | "Mr. and Mrs. Smith... I'm sorry to tell you that after our careful diagnosis, we've concluded that your child is a moron' |
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| 03:18.33 | stoned | its true, they sued to call em that |
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| 03:18.43 | abrotman | stoned: have you met nvz ? |
| 03:18.51 | stoned | uhh yeah |
| 03:18.52 | hackeron | I'm looking for the help of a tcpdump expert -- I'm trying to capture me browsing to a website and filling in a form to see what exactly happens during a multipart enctype, but I'm getting garbage when doing tcpdump -w filename and can't grep for any text returned -- it's all traffic on port 80 and isn't encrypted, how do I see the http requests and not a few characters from each request and the rest being junk? |
| 03:18.52 | itrebal | abrotman: my current server (not Debian) has Postgresql 8.0.9, this server has some glaring hardware problems, and needs to be replaced; I'm replacing it with a server I'm renting in California, which is running Debian; Debian offers 7.x, but the 8.x data dumps are not backwards compatable and cannot be imported |
| 03:19.04 | abrotman | glaring hardware problems .. i like that |
| 03:19.05 | loca|host | hello all |
| 03:19.13 | adrakoa | hi loca|host |
| 03:19.29 | dendrite | itrebal: Is the CA server in production yet? |
| 03:19.29 | eldowan | hackeron: have you tried something like ethereal/etherape? |
| 03:19.31 | xtknight | how do i get a list of all installed deb packages (just a plain list of their package names and nothing else) so that i can run through them and install them on my chroot? |
| 03:19.38 | adrakoa | hackeron: dsniff |
| 03:19.40 | abrotman | itrebal: and even the COPY might not work |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | !tell xtknight about installed |
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| 03:19.47 | itrebal | dendrite: no its not |
| 03:19.48 | loca|host | anyone can suggest me a good tool that can monitor traffic going on my gateway server ? i would like to know more details more than a simple IN/OUT bandwidth |
| 03:19.50 | itrebal | abrotman: correct |
| 03:19.59 | eldowan | loca|host: like what? |
| 03:20.04 | amphi | eldowan: etherape is not remotely suitable |
| 03:20.05 | itrebal | dendrite: but if I mess it up, its not cheap to get Debian reinstalled |
| 03:20.07 | troubled | hackeron: tcpdump doesnt have any decoders does it? perhaps try tethereal (orwhatever its been renamed too) |
| 03:20.10 | dendrite | itrebal: I was confused, I thought you were asking about dist-upgrade on the hacked up box. |
| 03:20.10 | abrotman | itrebal: backports.org has 8.x packages |
| 03:20.22 | amphi | loca|host: iptraf perhaps |
| 03:20.24 | dendrite | itrebal: is the Sarge box in CA stock sarge? |
| 03:20.24 | hackeron | troubled: I thought http requests are supposed to be plain text? |
| 03:20.24 | eldowan | amphi: yeah,I couldn't remember which one I was tryint to think of. |
| 03:20.29 | loca|host | eldowan, like what ? that's my real question :D |
| 03:20.35 | adrakoa | loca|host: ethereal |
| 03:20.38 | itrebal | abrotman: yes it does, but it depends on many more packages, and I'd like to keep my backports down to a minimum |
| 03:20.46 | stoned | abrotman: see.. I successfully killed the pr0n conv. |
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| 03:20.49 | abrotman | itrebal: time for etch! |
| 03:20.49 | eldowan | loca|host: iptraf is one |
| 03:20.56 | abrotman | stoned: and everything else that was useful |
| 03:20.57 | pickcoder | itrebal: you can always install postgres from source, for the specific version you need under /usr/local/ |
| 03:21.02 | loca|host | gonna try iptraf now |
| 03:21.02 | stoned | abrotman: you think I'm an idiot, and that is perfect. |
| 03:21.04 | dendrite | itrebal: is the Sarge box in CA stock sarge? |
| 03:21.04 | adrakoa | iptraf is cool |
| 03:21.08 | pickcoder | I don't recommend it, though |
| 03:21.12 | abrotman | stoned: good for you |
| 03:21.13 | xtknight | abrotman: cool, thanks. any idea how i would run through all of those and install them on my chroot? something like cat installList | xargs -l1 sudo apt-get install ....? |
| 03:21.25 | troubled | hackeron: they are, but i seem to recall tcpdump oh displaying partial data by default. not that it wont work, i just find ethereal or ettercap a little more friendly looking. especially if you just wanna see the data (ettercap then prolly) |
| 03:21.26 | itrebal | dendrite: how do you mean "stock"? I've installed (completely) apache and ProFTPD, with minimal backports for php5 |
| 03:21.29 | abrotman | !tell xtknight about debian clone |
| 03:21.35 | mhiku | if my ps is access denied, whats the other way? |
| 03:21.39 | pickcoder | itrebal: same is true for php and mysql |
| 03:21.46 | stoned | abrotman: you still have not produced an mp3... so.. good for you. |
| 03:21.47 | dendrite | itrebal: Well, I'd rip out the backports before doing a dist-upgrade... |
| 03:21.54 | abrotman | stoned: i have lots |
| 03:21.55 | eldowan | what was the file that holds the history of installed packages? |
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| 03:21.59 | stoned | abrotman: right. |
| 03:22.03 | abrotman | eldowan: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 03:22.04 | troubled | mhiku: and you want us to tell you this to get around admin restrictions? :) |
| 03:22.19 | dendrite | itrebal: If you do that, then your main annoyance will be that etch isn't stabilized yet, so you will have updates, which I expect you would find annoying. |
| 03:22.22 | itrebal | dendrite: is there an easy way to determine which packages were installed from file vs. apt-get? |
| 03:22.27 | hackeron | troubled: hmm, ok, I'll give those a try :) -- anyway to make tcpdump display complete data though? |
| 03:22.42 | dendrite | itrebal: file, as in source? |
| 03:22.42 | itrebal | dendrite: updates don't bother me much |
| 03:22.49 | eldowan | abrotman: I don't have that file on my sarge box. does it go away when nothing has been installed? |
| 03:22.59 | itrebal | dendrite: nah, file as in.. I d/led the .deb and dpkg -i'd it |
| 03:22.59 | abrotman | eldowan: it's not there in sarge .. it's for etch+ |
| 03:23.11 | eldowan | abrotman: that would explain it then. :D |
| 03:23.28 | dendrite | itrebal: I'm not sure. Whether the stuff is logged at all depends on the version of apt. |
| 03:23.33 | itrebal | ok |
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| 03:23.48 | dendrite | itrebal: But, it really doesn't matter, if you used dpkg -i ... then it's in the package system. |
| 03:23.48 | troubled | hackeron: try tcpdump --help or man page. pretty sure that theres something like -X and -w or something like that to display it all. of course, it still text, but you will get all the headers and such all in one big chunk. but could also could be compressed if the web server/browser talk that way |
| 03:24.12 | troubled | hackeron: which is why i suggested ethereal since its decoders will explain what packets are |
| 03:24.21 | itrebal | dendrite: right, but I just want to make sure I get them all by getting a list of the ones I installed by file |
| 03:24.34 | hackeron | troubled: well, I'm using -w to capture raw packets, can't see anything else in there, -X is to print in hex |
| 03:24.39 | dendrite | itrebal: You'll want to run deborphan. |
| 03:24.43 | loca|host | that's a good tool :) |
| 03:24.44 | amphi | hackeron: if you run X, you'll find ethereal/wiresharl |
| 03:24.45 | loca|host | iptraf |
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| 03:25.00 | amphi | er, wireshark a lot easier, probably |
| 03:25.20 | troubled | hackeron: ahh my bad. that rings a bell now :) there should be something that controls how much of the packet gets displayed. by default its only like 52 or 64 bytes or something silly |
| 03:25.39 | troubled | hackeron: i figured it out, use your brain and the man page lazy :p |
| 03:25.44 | eldowan | there is a tool that starts a daemon, and provides a web interface to traffic statistics. I can't remember the package name, or what to search for. anyone know off-hand? |
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| 03:26.00 | loca|host | am seeking a more detailed, something wich give you details on MSN packets, Yahoo messenger, IRC, www, P2P packets going in on the gateway ... |
| 03:26.06 | adrakoa | amphi: tethereal |
| 03:26.13 | adrakoa | it's another option |
| 03:26.20 | amphi | adrakoa: what about it? |
| 03:26.24 | troubled | amphi: was it ethereal that got renamed? wireshark stands out for some reason |
| 03:26.37 | eldowan | troubled: I think that sounds right. |
| 03:26.53 | amphi | troubled: aye |
| 03:26.58 | troubled | eldowan: go figure. always gotta hide the good tools from the idiots by renaming it :) |
| 03:27.11 | eldowan | like firefox? |
| 03:27.16 | troubled | lol |
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| 03:27.28 | dendrite | "PacketWeasel" |
| 03:27.30 | adrakoa | emacs ? |
| 03:27.34 | hackeron | amphi: no X ;) -- but I know I can scp a tcpdump and use ethereal on that -- I'll do that when I'm given up on plain old tcpdump ;) |
| 03:27.38 | troubled | ya, how many suckers downloaded netscape instead :) |
| 03:27.50 | hackeron | troubled: hmm, back to the man page then, lol |
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| 03:28.49 | dav_ | i have a very strange fucking prblem, i have installed differnt dvd program and since that i don't have anymore sound |
| 03:29.01 | dav_ | i only have it for one or two video |
| 03:29.09 | dav_ | and with my sip program thats ll |
| 03:29.21 | troubled | hackeron: it very well may be garbled cause the browser it recieving it compressed. keep that in mind. but tethereal is a good command line util you will like :) |
| 03:29.54 | amphi | troubled: or tshark, as it likes to be known these days ;) |
| 03:30.11 | troubled | bah, thats bs. why they go and rename it anyways :( |
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| 03:30.21 | mhiku | yes i want to install applications with restricted permissions |
| 03:30.30 | troubled | the PR dept. start some public image campaign? |
| 03:30.59 | amphi | troubled: an issue of forkery IIRC |
| 03:31.00 | hackeron | troubled: you're right, lol |
| 03:31.01 | troubled | "We need a more fearsome name. ethereal just doesnt cut it anymore." |
| 03:31.01 | hackeron | troubled: -s0 |
| 03:31.05 | mhiku | if its access denied i need to make a turn around and fix this without using the binary of the system, use my binaries |
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| 03:31.27 | amphi | packetweasel would've been a good one ;) |
| 03:31.27 | hackeron | troubled: I thought of compression, but I'm using a browser ident isn't capable of compression (an old internet explorer, lol) |
| 03:31.28 | troubled | hackeron: see, that wasnt so hard :) |
| 03:31.31 | adrakoa | mhiku: you should change the path |
| 03:31.35 | hackeron | troubled: thanks troubled :) |
| 03:31.59 | troubled | hackeron: thank yourself from finding your own answer :) |
| 03:32.03 | adrakoa | mius: $PATH |
| 03:32.18 | adrakoa | /mius/mhiku/ |
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| 03:32.42 | mius | oeh :P |
| 03:32.47 | mhiku | yes, im doing it, if i have automake in system and automake in my ~/ and i want to use the binary in my ~/ how to do it? |
| 03:33.06 | hackeron | troubled: haha, I did file tcp.dump and it said capture length 96, so I looked for capture length in the man page :) -- thanks for the tip though, I probably would've spent hours figuring this out |
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| 03:33.43 | adrakoa | mhiku: do you know $PATH? |
| 03:34.07 | adrakoa | mhiku: automake? |
| 03:34.37 | troubled | hackeron: ya, unix guys like to make you work by ensuring any useful output from a program is turned off and finding that out requires you to read on avg. 69% of the manual before you are fully able to get the desired output |
| 03:35.09 | hackeron | troubled: so true! |
| 03:35.11 | magyar | ehhh, "double underline" links. How can I disable them in iceweasel (firefox)? |
| 03:35.16 | mhiku | yes, i mean how do i make compile use the automake in my ~/ without changing the path because if i need other binaries in the system path |
| 03:35.37 | mhiku | other binaries in the system are not restricted, thats why |
| 03:35.38 | troubled | hackeron: i think its called "paying your dues" :) they had to, and so now do you ehe |
| 03:36.03 | troubled | iceweasel? wtf is this? |
| 03:36.07 | eldowan | magyar: look at the source for the page, and add a 127.0.0.1 host entry for the domain/url causing the popup |
| 03:36.09 | mhiku | i mean path priorities |
| 03:36.12 | adrakoa | troubled: i thought the *nix guis to make you work after hundred filter |
| 03:36.13 | troubled | let me guess, another fork in the road? |
| 03:36.29 | eldowan | troubled: no more than icedove |
| 03:36.44 | troubled | eldowan: do i wanna know what icedove ice? |
| 03:36.47 | craigevil | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.1) Gecko/20061205 Iceweasel/2.0.0.1 (Debian-2.0.0.1+dfsg-2) is the Debian rename of Firefox |
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| 03:37.06 | troubled | omg, thats just pathetic |
| 03:37.12 | eldowan | icedove is what thunderbird used to be. |
| 03:37.14 | hackeron | troubled: evil, you'd think after all this sane defaults stuff you hear coming from the unsecure by default windows that would apply to more than just iptables :) |
| 03:37.32 | troubled | as if we dont have enough crap to remember these days. now every program is going through a rename fad |
| 03:38.03 | pickcoder | troubled: that's a bit over exaggerated |
| 03:38.09 | eldowan | troubled: yeah, and all the kde related apps that start k* are going to start kde* |
| 03:38.09 | eldowan | :D |
| 03:38.43 | magyar | eldowan: i think they are some sort of java popups |
| 03:39.01 | magyar | same that are used for intellitxt |
| 03:39.10 | troubled | soon sed will become streamlined, awk -> difficult, ps -> postscript ;) |
| 03:39.33 | troubled | ^^^^ renames :) |
| 03:40.07 | eldowan | magyar: Add *.intellitxt.* to your content blocker. |
| 03:40.15 | troubled | pickcoder: as if it wasnt bad enough when the world went from netscape to mozilla, mozilla to firefox and now firefox to iceweasel :/ |
| 03:40.29 | pickcoder | only on debian, afaik |
| 03:40.33 | amphi | troubled: oh, the trauma! |
| 03:40.34 | pickcoder | licensing issues |
| 03:40.49 | craigevil | blame mozilla not Debian |
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| 03:41.02 | amphi | troubled: just use w3m, its name hasn't changed |
| 03:41.05 | pickcoder | I'm not blaming anyone |
| 03:41.12 | pickcoder | firefox is still firefox |
| 03:41.18 | pickcoder | you just can't install it through apt |
| 03:41.34 | troubled | thats it, im gonna start my own distro and fork every tool out there and rename them all :p |
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| 03:41.51 | hackeron | troubled: oh finally solved my problem, I was missing a referer - now with OCR and this python script, I can send free SMS in the UK, yay! |
| 03:41.57 | troubled | and not just rename them once, god no, im gonna rename them every 6 months! |
| 03:42.21 | hackeron | troubled: and with my auto bank login script, I can finally get free SMS about changes to my bank account, lol - fun |
| 03:42.24 | hackeron | troubled: I love opensource |
| 03:42.30 | troubled | hackeron: thats just pathetic lol. OCR to send something? lol |
| 03:42.46 | amphi | troubled: there's wodim too (née cdrecord) for further fulmination |
| 03:42.47 | hackeron | troubled: yeah, they have a confirmation thingy where you have to type a couple of numbers |
| 03:42.57 | hackeron | troubled: but no problem, gocr comes to the rescue |
| 03:43.17 | hackeron | troubled: you know, the whole anti spam thing they seem to think is unbeatable |
| 03:43.33 | hackeron | troubled: except I'm not using it to spam, but rather to script sending SMS to myself ;) |
| 03:43.35 | amphi | hackeron: 'captcha'? |
| 03:43.39 | troubled | hackeron: wait til UK gets a dmca and the bank kicks down your door and accuses you of "reverse engineering" their web protocols and a bunch of other complicated sounded terms and puts you in jail for 10-20 cause you came up with a cool idea before they did :) |
| 03:43.59 | hackeron | troubled: lol, can't wait |
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| 03:44.33 | troubled | goverments arrest first and think later it would seem |
| 03:44.42 | hackeron | troubled: hell, if they had that service to begin with, I wouldn't need to hack it! -- source code here btw: http://hackeron.dyndns.org/hackeron/index.php/CODE:_AutoHSBC |
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| 03:44.59 | hackeron | troubled: I'm also planning to add auto transfer from savings to current account when currently account is low and there are upcoming direct debits |
| 03:45.05 | hackeron | troubled: then I don't need to even check it :) |
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| 03:45.20 | kupesoft | Etch is taking forrrrreeever |
| 03:45.39 | magyar | is there any apps for webcam use/test ? |
| 03:45.58 | troubled | hackeron: just go sell it to the bank lol. im sure the access they could give you to the backend would allow you to do things a tad easier than with OCR lol |
| 03:45.59 | adrakoa | freeware licence? == GNU? |
| 03:45.59 | pickcoder | magyar: many |
| 03:46.01 | abrotman | kupesoft: so fix more bugs |
| 03:46.04 | hackeron | troubled: but I'm quite pleased with what it does already with under 300 lines of nooby python code, lol |
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| 03:46.10 | kupesoft | abrotman: I'm trying! |
| 03:46.19 | abrotman | try harder |
| 03:46.24 | hackeron | troubled: lol, yeah, but this way it's more fun |
| 03:46.42 | kupesoft | abrotman: I just did. Still, nothing. |
| 03:46.42 | pickcoder | I don't have time to fix bugs |
| 03:46.50 | Damm_ | okay, weird question that I'd thought i'd never have to ask... I'm trying to create a Debian Custom CD, as I have a server with the fun 3ware controller that requires 2.6.19 or higher, however it seems that the installer wants devfs.. how can I get around that |
| 03:46.51 | pickcoder | I have enough to deal with @ work |
| 03:46.52 | abrotman | then you'll have ot wait longer for etch |
| 03:46.56 | Damm_ | and this is dealing with sarge not etch |
| 03:47.04 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 03:47.05 | dpkg | [custom netinst] http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
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| 03:48.28 | magyar | pickcoder: for kde? |
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| 03:50.24 | Guerin | Damm_: there are installers already built with 2.6.19 |
| 03:50.42 | Guerin | Damm_: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 03:50.51 | Guerin | don't be fooled, it's been updated since |
| 03:51.53 | adrakoa | 2.6.20 |
| 03:52.01 | adrakoa | very fast 2.6.19.. |
| 03:52.39 | pickcoder | magyar: yes... just search for kde webcam |
| 03:53.17 | adrakoa | http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/ |
| 03:54.07 | pickcoder | Damm_: which controller? |
| 03:54.07 | adrakoa | is it new? |
| 03:54.07 | Damm_ | 3ware 95something something |
| 03:54.07 | Damm_ | I forget |
| 03:54.07 | Guerin | adrakoa: ask ##linux |
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| 03:54.08 | Damm_ | it was added in 2.6.19 |
| 03:54.08 | Guerin | Damm_: eyeometer |
| 03:54.17 | Damm_ | the PCI Express 4x 8lp |
| 03:54.25 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:54.45 | Damm_ | boss ordered it, now i'm trying to get it working |
| 03:54.51 | Damm_ | our old hacked 2.6.18 kernel didn't touch it |
| 03:54.52 | adrakoa | Guerin: gpl ring ¿? |
| 03:54.56 | pickcoder | I know the 9550SX was added to .17 |
| 03:55.04 | Damm_ | 9560SX |
| 03:55.07 | Damm_ | or 9650SX |
| 03:55.27 | Damm_ | 9650SX-4lp is what it is |
| 03:55.28 | adrakoa | good night |
| 03:55.41 | pickcoder | haven't used the pci-e cards |
| 03:55.46 | Damm_ | nor have we |
| 03:55.47 | pickcoder | I normally get the PCI-X cards |
| 03:55.59 | Damm_ | it's what Silicon Mechanics dropped on us |
| 03:56.46 | pickcoder | Damm_: you may be able to build a driver disk for the installer |
| 03:56.54 | mhiku | how can i install autoconf? |
| 03:56.55 | pickcoder | never tried it myself |
| 03:57.07 | Damm_ | messy |
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| 03:57.12 | pickcoder | though I have created driver disks, just not for 3ware cards |
| 03:57.15 | Damm_ | this isn't going to be a 1time thing |
| 03:57.33 | Damm_ | it seems them dumping is what's killing me |
| 03:57.34 | troubled | so whats the Xserver-org support for accelerated ATI radeon like these days? |
| 03:58.15 | abrotman | it's there :) |
| 03:58.19 | abrotman | man <drivername> |
| 03:58.44 | troubled | my last experience with ATI+X+debian was horrible (closed ati ones since the oss radeon performance was on par with old ISA video cards ive owned as a kid....) |
| 03:58.50 | stoned | uhhum |
| 03:58.59 | stoned | troubled: what video card do you have? |
| 03:59.07 | troubled | stoned: radeon 9800 agp |
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| 04:00.10 | black_13 | is the way to achieve what xdm does with out using xdm? |
| 04:00.13 | abrotman | man radeon .. but you probably need fglrx |
| 04:00.14 | black_13 | or gdm or kdem |
| 04:00.17 | troubled | stoned: last time i seem to recall something was hold back the ati drivers from actually accerealting gl properly. 2d was fine no matter what, but opengl was borked with ati and with non ati it was so patetic it was embarrasing to use |
| 04:00.18 | abrotman | !dm |
| 04:00.18 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
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| 04:03.41 | Damm_ | I think what i'll do is take the backport 2.6.18 CD, put on my kernel and whatnot... |
| 04:03.42 | Damm_ | ty very much |
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| 04:04.21 | troubled | stoned: no accel (and I mean damn fsckin close to 99%+ of its windows performance!) in X on this machine = no debian replacing windows. Ever tried blender or something gl without acceleration? 1fps isnt very productive :) |
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| 04:05.22 | abrotman | troubled: i used to do it with a non-accel G400 .. damn HP box |
| 04:05.23 | troubled | stoned: bleder on windows on this box is.......SWEEEET! fastest thing ive ever experienced almost. well, for an older box :) |
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| 04:05.32 | troubled | s/bleder/blender/ |
| 04:05.44 | abrotman | troubled: of course .. it was an SMP box |
| 04:06.07 | troubled | now take bleder to debian+xorg+any driver and it is purely suckage at its finest |
| 04:06.56 | troubled | turth be told the accell issue might be a chipset issue of sorts and its ATI's fault for not opening the doc's for their hardware :/ |
| 04:07.07 | abrotman | it's AMD's fault! |
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| 04:07.37 | troubled | abrotman: i am running AMD as well :) you think the two would just magically work now that they are dating each other :) |
| 04:07.54 | abrotman | dating ? |
| 04:07.57 | abrotman | not quite the word |
| 04:08.09 | troubled | engulf'd? :) |
| 04:08.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:08.41 | troubled | wasnt exactly your even deal |
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| 04:12.52 | troubled | bah. gonna have to reboot and play around with X again. time to test the waters some more and grab a few updates i guess |
| 04:12.57 | kingsley2 | Why would grub pause for half aminute, twice, before loading linux? |
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| 04:13.07 | troubled | you guys are a bad influence you know that |
| 04:13.09 | kingsley2 | s/aminute/a minute/ |
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| 04:15.07 | troubled | kingsley2: no clue. some background info? this a pc, ppc, laptop? new hd? scsi hd? just updated you bios? first time install? been installed forever and stopped working today? stopped working after you made a new kernel? |
| 04:15.14 | troubled | i can keep going if you like :) |
| 04:16.00 | troubled | hell, maybe your running it inside a virtuall machine with a computer already 99% utilized. details man |
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| 04:19.12 | kingsley2 | troubled: Thanks for asking. I suspect a BIOS setting because this PC has paused at grub when various linux distributions and copies of grub were installed. Since the pause has persevered through so many installs, I suspect the problem originates in hardware or a BIOS setting. |
| 04:19.36 | nvz | isn't pausing half a minute, twice before something like pausing for a minute once before? |
| 04:19.54 | troubled | kingsley2: sorry hehe. but unless I fixed the same problem yesterday, i wouldnt know for sure. so i must resort to troubledshooting :) |
| 04:20.37 | kingsley2 | troubled: "troubleDshooting"? |
| 04:20.41 | troubled | ha! |
| 04:21.13 | troubled | oops hehe, missed that typo. force of habit p |
| 04:21.28 | nvz | troubled: thats ok makes a good pun in your case |
| 04:21.35 | troubled | thanks heh |
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| 04:22.21 | troubled | kingsley2: newer bios? older? sata? anything unusual? cause i cant say ive ever heard of that problem before |
| 04:22.24 | gholm | I've upgrade to edgy and somehow hosed my kde. This means when I boot, I reach a shell prompt, not a pretty GUI. How do I force my GUI to start? |
| 04:22.47 | troubled | gholm: edgy? or etch? |
| 04:22.55 | gholm | edgy |
| 04:23.09 | nvz | last I checked debian doesnt have an edgy |
| 04:23.12 | troubled | !edgy |
| 04:23.17 | Cyis | got tired of waiting for my brother- & sister-in-law to come visit and buy me my iPod so I just went and got one |
| 04:23.22 | pickcoder | gholm: try #ubuntu |
| 04:23.36 | gholm | pickcoder: will do thanks |
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| 04:24.53 | stoned | nvz: sup |
| 04:25.06 | nvz | or at least dont use KDE and pretty gui in the same thought if you want help in #debian |
| 04:25.09 | stoned | oh man I just got some good news and some bad news |
| 04:25.29 | nvz | stoned: nothin. being beat. new job kicked my ass |
| 04:25.33 | troubled | stoned: do tell |
| 04:25.46 | stoned | sister said I she will move in with her BF in july and move to NYC |
| 04:25.49 | nvz | good news is he's high, bad news it it was your weed |
| 04:25.57 | Rusty1 | lemme guess, no brownies for dessert |
| 04:26.01 | troubled | heh |
| 04:26.03 | stoned | so I don' thave to take care of her past april/june |
| 04:26.03 | rahul | I she? |
| 04:26.05 | stoned | not july |
| 04:26.09 | stoned | and bad news |
| 04:26.16 | stoned | I won't get home cooked pakistani food after she moves |
| 04:26.17 | stoned | :( |
| 04:26.23 | rahul | heh |
| 04:26.32 | rahul | move to nyc |
| 04:26.35 | stoned | fuck no |
| 04:26.40 | stoned | I like the south |
| 04:26.45 | rahul | eew |
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| 04:26.58 | rahul | you'll love steeenky houston, then |
| 04:27.05 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 04:27.09 | stoned | on the mexican border man |
| 04:27.12 | rahul | smells worse than a horse's arse |
| 04:27.20 | stoned | do you KNOW what this means for me? |
| 04:27.23 | nvz | that's probably GWB |
| 04:27.35 | stoned | insane amounts of cheap good pot |
| 04:27.37 | stoned | high quality dro |
| 04:27.45 | nvz | I'm sure being that big of an asshole gotta stink half way across the state of Texas |
| 04:27.50 | stoned | good coke too |
| 04:27.52 | stoned | hahaha nvz |
| 04:27.56 | stoned | tru dat |
| 04:28.13 | stoned | plus houston is more humid thanok |
| 04:28.25 | stoned | I'll finally be able to breath air and not hurt my self |
| 04:28.36 | stoned | less cold too I |
| 04:28.41 | nvz | I loved the quote I seen on my chimp-o-matic today "I'm a follower of american politics". duh idiot, you are the LEADER of American politics |
| 04:28.54 | stoned | nvz: dude |
| 04:28.56 | stoned | listen to this |
| 04:29.05 | troubled | stoned: a breath of air down there like inhailing a milkshake? |
| 04:29.07 | stoned | this man once said and you can find this on google video |
| 04:29.18 | rahul | good pot in houston? |
| 04:29.18 | stoned | GWB said once |
| 04:29.19 | rahul | heh. |
| 04:29.32 | stoned | "I know... that humans and fish can coexist peacefully..." |
| 04:29.37 | stoned | WHAT THE FUCK does that mean/ |
| 04:29.38 | rahul | erm, you'll hurt yourself breathing in houston |
| 04:29.42 | stoned | who the fuck says soemthing like that? |
| 04:29.50 | zinx | stoned: in means you're nothing more than a fish. |
| 04:29.54 | stoned | why would anyone say something like that in front of hundreds of people? |
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| 04:30.02 | zinx | stoned: only us americans are humans |
| 04:30.04 | rahul | breathing in houston is just painful. |
| 04:30.13 | stoned | rahul: I love humidity |
| 04:30.14 | troubled | stoned: your flying high right now arent you..... |
| 04:30.19 | nvz | stoned: yeah well I contacted Ryan Russon and I got his whole collection of bushisms. I am planning on making a fortunes file out of them |
| 04:30.21 | stoned | troubled: nope |
| 04:30.23 | zinx | stoned: as long as we're good christians who believe in the american way, anyway. |
| 04:30.31 | stoned | nvz: nice dude |
| 04:30.54 | zinx | nvz: packaged and included in mainline debian, i trust |
| 04:31.07 | stoned | zinx: well you seem to have captured Bush's rhetorics in one sentence |
| 04:31.07 | stoned | lol |
| 04:31.13 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.30 | rahul | stoned: I hope you love sulfur, too |
| 04:32.19 | rahul | my shower always smelled like sulfur |
| 04:32.20 | stoned | rahul: I hope you make a joke soon that I fucking understand |
| 04:32.23 | nvz | zinx: yeah that was my idea though I dont really know how to package nor do I have the authority to upload |
| 04:32.44 | stoned | rahul: half the time I have no idea wtf you're on about |
| 04:32.49 | zinx | nvz: #debian-mentors? :D |
| 04:32.52 | rahul | stoned: there's about as much sulfur dioxide in the air as there is carbon dioxide |
| 04:32.55 | stoned | then again I don't even know where I am half the time |
| 04:32.56 | stoned | lol |
| 04:32.59 | rahul | heh |
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| 04:35.21 | rahul | stoned: seriously, your shower's gonna stink |
| 04:35.36 | rahul | I had to air out after taking a shower every time |
| 04:35.40 | stoned | hey |
| 04:35.47 | stoned | how come farts smell like sulfur |
| 04:35.49 | stoned | ? |
| 04:35.53 | stoned | sometimes |
| 04:35.57 | rahul | because they have sulfur in them |
| 04:35.59 | stoned | you know the really nasty wet ones |
| 04:36.01 | stoned | really? |
| 04:36.06 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:36.12 | dondelelcaro | HS, yes. |
| 04:36.19 | stoned | ok, time for me to shut up |
| 04:36.20 | stoned | :) |
| 04:36.23 | rahul | the decomposition of cystine (an amino acid) results in hydrogen sulfide |
| 04:36.38 | stoned | rahul: ahh, that explains it |
| 04:36.39 | rahul | that's why beans make the farts smell worse |
| 04:36.44 | troubled | bloody ass guru's, the lot of ya |
| 04:36.44 | rahul | they have lots of protein |
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| 04:36.51 | rahul | ass gurus |
| 04:36.56 | magyar | is the root server "letter" has any significance? |
| 04:36.58 | hooya | wha?? |
| 04:37.15 | stoned | magyar: ? |
| 04:37.23 | rahul | magyar: not really |
| 04:37.33 | rahul | how I know what he meant, I don't know |
| 04:37.36 | magyar | stoned: dns root servers ( A,B,C) |
| 04:37.43 | stoned | oh |
| 04:37.55 | rahul | they're probably just in the order they were put into service |
| 04:37.56 | stoned | I dunno nuthin' bout' nuthin' |
| 04:38.03 | rahul | except being stoned |
| 04:38.12 | stoned | that is true. |
| 04:38.14 | rahul | oh, and I get free pot and coke here, heh |
| 04:38.33 | hooya | anyone know where i can find cl-plus-ssl package? |
| 04:38.41 | stoned | yeh I usually don't discuss these things when I know an op is lurking about |
| 04:38.42 | stoned | :D |
| 04:38.47 | rahul | but then I gotta deal with that chick sleeping over |
| 04:39.20 | rahul | plus-ssl? |
| 04:39.40 | rahul | hooya: who wrote it? |
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| 04:40.28 | rahul | hooya: oh, it's on cl.net, just grab a tarball or cvs co and then use cl-register-user-package foo.asd |
| 04:40.37 | hooya | peter van eynde |
| 04:40.39 | mentor | magyar: Well the first root servers tend to be in america and the rest are distributed geogprahically. A is owned by verisign |
| 04:40.49 | rahul | one would expect it to be in debian, then. but oh well. |
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| 04:40.57 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 04:40.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, keytouch is a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 04:41.17 | stoned | ahhhh |
| 04:41.23 | stoned | that is what i need |
| 04:41.36 | hooya | peter was saying that there was some licencing issues upstream. by the time it was resolved, testing was frozen or something... |
| 04:41.50 | rahul | oh, pve packaged it |
| 04:41.54 | rahul | he didn't write it |
| 04:42.05 | hooya | yeah, but it's nowhere to be found. tried p.d.o |
| 04:42.20 | hooya | yeah, that's what i meant. |
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| 04:42.36 | rahul | hum, and there are packages that depend on it |
| 04:42.38 | stoned | 10:39 >> OpenURL 442 |
| 04:42.42 | stoned | wow |
| 04:42.46 | hooya | but, hunchentoot depends on it. |
| 04:42.52 | hooya | rahul: ^ |
| 04:42.54 | stoned | 442 URLS caught in 8 hours on freenode |
| 04:42.57 | rahul | yeah |
| 04:42.59 | stoned | thats a lot of links |
| 04:43.19 | hooya | stoned: or is that 420 urls? |
| 04:43.26 | stoned | it was 420 |
| 04:43.29 | stoned | but I missed it then |
| 04:43.30 | hooya | heh |
| 04:43.44 | rahul | hooya: strange that trivial-gray-streams and trivial-https are in debian, tho |
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| 04:44.35 | hooya | rahul: i'm a noob to lisp so i don't really know why that is strange. |
| 04:44.57 | rahul | hooya: they're from the same project |
| 04:45.01 | hooya | ah |
| 04:45.09 | rahul | nothing to do with lisp. they're just packages from the cl-plus-ssl cl.net project |
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| 04:45.43 | rahul | then again, the packages are mostly forks, so maybe that's where the license complexity happened |
| 04:46.10 | hooya | rahul: well, i emailed a bug report and peter replied saying that specifically with cl-plus-ssl, there were some licensing issues.. |
| 04:46.15 | rahul | cl-plus-ssl is a fork of an LGPL'd lib, but it claims to be MIT licensed |
| 04:46.34 | magyar | mentor: roger |
| 04:46.35 | rahul | that must be where the problem came from |
| 04:46.41 | hooya | he did say the issues were resolved but not before the freeze |
| 04:46.52 | rahul | right. and it's still not in unstable |
| 04:46.57 | hooya | yeah. |
| 04:47.04 | rahul | hooya: anyway, cl-register-user-package is easy |
| 04:47.10 | hooya | how |
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| 04:47.29 | rahul | grab tarball, run clc-register-user-package on the .asd file in it |
| 04:47.31 | hooya | rahul: and dpkg will recognize that to let me install hunchentoot? |
| 04:47.39 | rahul | no... :\ |
| 04:47.49 | rahul | but you can do the same thing with hunchentoot! :) |
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| 04:49.12 | hooya | rahul: yeah, but would be nice if all of that worked from aptitude.. don't know if i know enough of lisp to start managing packages in it.. |
| 04:49.45 | rahul | you don't need to. just run that one command :) |
| 04:49.49 | hooya | ok |
| 04:49.55 | hooya | will give it a shot. |
| 04:50.24 | hooya | rahul: hey, i remember you.. i followed you around from #debian to #lisp to #emacs a month or so ago right? |
| 04:50.47 | rahul | heh, maybe |
| 04:50.49 | rahul | yeah |
| 04:50.53 | hooya | and we meet again ;) |
| 04:51.12 | troubled | !stalker |
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| 04:52.30 | rahul | damn it. why is Brett Scallions only doing backing vocals these days? |
| 04:52.42 | rahul | and playing bass. |
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| 04:53.55 | hooya | aight, that's enough stalking for a night. thanks rahul for the tip. will try it out tomorrow. |
| 04:54.02 | rahul | night |
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| 04:58.36 | ks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:59.11 | rahul | ks: ulimit |
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| 04:59.34 | rahul | hmm, but maybe that's not exactly it |
| 04:59.57 | rahul | ks: either way, nice processes that matter to negative numbers. users usually can't do that. |
| 05:00.34 | ks | well I need to limit umls |
| 05:02.32 | ks | man ulimit |
| 05:02.32 | ks | No manual entry for ulimit |
| 05:03.32 | rahul | it's a shell builtin |
| 05:03.40 | buu | man getrlimit |
| 05:03.45 | rahul | which is a bit of an issue, maybe there's a pam module |
| 05:04.00 | ks | man getrlimit |
| 05:04.00 | ks | No manual entry for getrlimit |
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| 05:04.20 | rahul | wtf |
| 05:04.55 | rahul | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/sag-pam_limits.html |
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| 05:11.49 | xerophyte_ | does anybody know any good nice theme for gnome .. not fancy ..but clean ? |
| 05:12.15 | Coweater | clearlooks |
| 05:12.49 | Guerin | xerophyte_: no such thing |
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| 05:13.13 | Guerin | all gnome themes are sprawling beasts which waste screen space |
| 05:13.20 | Guerin | i blame GTK |
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| 05:18.49 | gmcinnes | hi alls. what's the easiest way to set up smtp-auth or equivalent on debian, to prevent an open relay? |
| 05:23.21 | troubled | rahul: damn, that dns attack make /. :) |
| 05:23.58 | krinns | hi all |
| 05:24.10 | krinns | i have prb with my software raid on debian |
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| 05:25.40 | rahul | gmcinnes: you don't need auth to prevent an open relay |
| 05:25.41 | litage | when i run ``aptitude changelog bsdutil'' why would this error occur?: E: bsdutils is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog. |
| 05:26.02 | rahul | gmcinnes: just restrict it to the IP addresses that you provide internet access for |
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| 05:26.08 | gmcinnes | rahul: that's true. |
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| 05:26.17 | gmcinnes | rahul: unfortunately I don't know them in advance. |
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| 05:26.40 | gmcinnes | rahul: dsl etc. |
| 05:26.41 | litage | gmcinnes: check out the "isp-style email" tutorial on workaround.org |
| 05:26.41 | rahul | you don't know the IP addresses that you give out? |
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| 05:27.30 | stoned | beryl is awesome |
| 05:27.41 | gmcinnes | rahul: unfortunately, I am but a humble serf and often find myself on other people's networks. which have port 25 closed at the egress point. |
| 05:28.12 | rahul | gmcinnes: so what's your point? everyone uses their ISP's mail relay as things should be. |
| 05:28.32 | Kevin` | I don't use my isp's mail relay.. |
| 05:28.38 | Kevin` | I don't even know what it is |
| 05:28.40 | gmcinnes | rahul: yeah, I don't either. |
| 05:28.46 | rahul | then you should |
| 05:28.49 | Kevin` | why |
| 05:28.55 | gmcinnes | rahul: oh. ok. |
| 05:28.59 | rahul | because that's how smtp is supposed to work |
| 05:29.27 | markybob | rahul, please stop stating the obvious |
| 05:29.28 | markybob | ;) |
| 05:29.28 | Kevin` | what does the isp relay it through then? =p |
| 05:29.35 | Kevin` | I don't see the problem with not using it |
| 05:29.36 | rahul | !penixstrike markybub |
| 05:29.37 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybub to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:29.48 | rahul | Kevin`: the MX for the domain |
| 05:30.08 | rahul | Kevin`: your ISP then handles queueing for servers that are down |
| 05:30.15 | Kevin` | so why can't your mailserver just send it directly to that domain |
| 05:30.17 | gmcinnes | rahul: but my isp doesn't provide the mx for the domain. |
| 05:30.25 | rahul | gmcinnes: that doesn't make sense at all |
| 05:30.38 | litage | gmcinnes: did you see my msg to you? |
| 05:30.41 | rahul | your isp connects to the to mx for the other domain |
| 05:31.03 | gmcinnes | litage: no. sorry. |
| 05:31.08 | rahul | and they provide the mx for their domain, obviously |
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| 05:31.42 | Kevin` | if you have a static ip, and your computer is up 99+% of the time, why send through the isp |
| 05:31.45 | litage | gmcinnes: find it and read through appropriate section(s) of the tutorial. it'll answer your question |
| 05:32.36 | gmcinnes | rahul: what about the case where the hosting company providing the mx and smtp server for my domain is not the same as my isp? |
| 05:32.42 | rahul | Kevin`: because it's easier :) |
| 05:32.52 | gmcinnes | rahul: and my isp has blocked access to everyone but themselves. |
| 05:33.14 | stoned | I don't like isps |
| 05:33.17 | rahul | gmcinnes: then your isp will connect to that mx when it wants to send emails to that domain |
| 05:33.23 | gmcinnes | litage: sorry. find what? 'it' isn't very helpful. |
| 05:33.27 | gmcinnes | :) |
| 05:33.32 | rahul | stoned: so don't use them :P |
| 05:33.36 | litage | gmcinnes: my msg to you |
| 05:33.36 | stoned | I try to steal my interet through wireless at random places |
| 05:33.50 | stoned | rahul: but for my house I have to use an isp.. I don't like em.. but I use em |
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| 05:34.05 | stoned | they all charge too much first of all |
| 05:34.06 | rahul | you don't even know what ISP you're using then |
| 05:34.13 | stoned | cox.net |
| 05:34.14 | rahul | the evil you know, and all that |
| 05:34.28 | rahul | when you steal wireless |
| 05:34.33 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 05:34.42 | stoned | well you shouldn't speak in sentence fragments |
| 05:34.46 | stoned | it is confusing |
| 05:34.54 | rahul | I didn't use any sentence fragments |
| 05:35.00 | stoned | well |
| 05:35.03 | stoned | no you didn't |
| 05:35.12 | rahul | you just typed something else while I was typing my response, you pothead |
| 05:35.12 | stoned | I meant say |
| 05:35.14 | stoned | its like |
| 05:35.20 | stoned | a fragmented thought process |
| 05:35.28 | stoned | eitherway.. you were a bit unclear or I am stoned |
| 05:35.30 | rahul | like dood, where's my antecedent? |
| 05:35.31 | stoned | or both |
| 05:35.37 | xnerde | anyone can help with grub. Trying to launch windose from hd5 using root(hd0,0) but unable to get it right. any hints? |
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| 05:36.04 | rahul | hd0 is not hd5 |
| 05:36.12 | stoned | 0!=5 |
| 05:36.13 | rahul | what do you mean? |
| 05:36.21 | sivik | is there a relatively easy way to tell what the file size of every file on a parition is, i have lost 15 gbs of a hd and i can't find the files that are that big |
| 05:36.26 | stoned | I think we established that in kindergarten |
| 05:36.31 | Guerin | it can be, if there are no others |
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| 05:36.43 | sivik | 0! is not = to 5 |
| 05:36.50 | xnerde | rahul: yep windows is at hda5 and i have a /boot directory on hd(o,o) |
| 05:36.51 | stoned | not 0 factorial man |
| 05:36.55 | stoned | 0 != 5 |
| 05:36.57 | stoned | that better |
| 05:37.00 | stoned | != means not eaual to |
| 05:37.02 | sivik | thats you go |
| 05:37.05 | stoned | wtf is with ya'll |
| 05:37.27 | sivik | xnerde: then you need to change that to hd(5,0) |
| 05:37.36 | Guerin | for instance, a 2-port ide card will take up hda,b,c,d which means the onboard ide ports will normally be e,f,g,h |
| 05:37.37 | stoned | whoah |
| 05:37.43 | stoned | he has 6 HDD's in his system |
| 05:37.43 | stoned | ? |
| 05:37.49 | Guerin | not necessarily |
| 05:37.51 | stoned | thats a lot of drives |
| 05:38.00 | Seb | sivik: start with du |
| 05:38.04 | litage | sivik: find /PATH/TO/ROOT/DIRECTORY/OF/PARTITION/ -type f | xargs ls -l |
| 05:38.07 | stoned | Guerin: afaik it doesn't matter which port it is plugged in |
| 05:38.16 | rahul | hda5 is not hd5 |
| 05:38.21 | sivik | Seb: hell yeah |
| 05:38.22 | stoned | Guerin: if there is one disk it will be hd(0) |
| 05:38.26 | Seb | litage: that's not gonna sort, so it ain't too useful |
| 05:38.31 | rahul | windows has trouble booting from logical partitions, for some people |
| 05:38.44 | Seb | rahul: s/ booting.*// |
| 05:38.45 | stoned | two disks, you'll have hd0 and hd1 and so forth |
| 05:38.48 | xnerde | sivik: windose is on partition 5 of first hard drive not 5th drive |
| 05:38.53 | rahul | heh |
| 05:38.53 | Guerin | stoned: right. the `first' drive present will always be 0 to grub, but to an os it could appear as 5 or some other number |
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| 05:39.06 | stoned | so we're talking about grub here |
| 05:39.08 | stoned | not the os |
| 05:39.13 | stoned | right |
| 05:39.14 | markybob | jpin, pinto! that's my last name! |
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| 05:39.24 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.30 | stoned | that grub specific |
| 05:39.32 | sivik | xnerde: then its probably hd(0,5) |
| 05:39.36 | stoned | anyway |
| 05:39.37 | litage | sivik, Seb: ``du -hc /path/to/dir/'' |
| 05:39.43 | stoned | Guerin: we're good |
| 05:39.47 | sivik | litage, i just want to do it to the whole system |
| 05:40.07 | stoned | so we're not talking about grub? |
| 05:40.07 | sivik | xnerde: it may be hd(0,4) since 4 is really the 5th parition because of computers and 0 |
| 05:40.25 | stoned | yeh, computers don't use natural numbers |
| 05:40.28 | Seb | sivik: du -hs /* |
| 05:40.35 | xnerde | sivik: its hd(0,4) since it is the fifth partition on hda (first hard drive) |
| 05:40.35 | sivik | what does the -hs do? |
| 05:40.43 | sivik | xnerde: thats what i just said |
| 05:40.45 | Seb | sivik: then narrow it down, doing du -hs /dirThatWasTheBiggest |
| 05:40.53 | sivik | sivik> xnerde: it may be hd(0,4) since 4 is really the 5th parition because of computers and 0 |
| 05:40.57 | Seb | sivik: hrm, du -hs /dirThatWasTheBiggest/* |
| 05:41.05 | sivik | what is the -hs for? |
| 05:41.27 | Seb | sivik: that's not enough that I give you the right options, I have to copy/paste bits of the man page for you too ? |
| 05:41.34 | sivik | Seb: i can read it |
| 05:41.43 | sivik | Seb: i think i can read it |
| 05:41.45 | stoned | man du |
| 05:41.49 | litage | sivik: read the manpage for du |
| 05:41.56 | stoned | theh /searchtermhere |
| 05:42.03 | Seb | sivik: you can read it. And you sure will too. |
| 05:42.21 | sivik | Seb: thanks |
| 05:42.26 | stoned | sivik: learn how to search the manpages effeciently |
| 05:42.41 | sivik | stoned: eat me |
| 05:42.44 | Alam_Debian | anyone know about or what happened to the kernel module "acm"? |
| 05:42.50 | stoned | sivik: I was being helpful |
| 05:43.04 | xnerde | sivik: i think i got that right, stating the correct partition, my problem is that windows doesn't boot |
| 05:43.07 | sivik | stoned: something like that |
| 05:43.14 | stoned | sivik: you're a dick |
| 05:43.18 | sivik | xnerde, then there seems to be a problem with the windows |
| 05:43.24 | sivik | stoned: no, i'm a smarta$$ |
| 05:43.29 | stoned | no |
| 05:43.31 | stoned | you're a fucking penis |
| 05:43.38 | sivik | right |
| 05:44.03 | black_13 | stoned, great choice of words |
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| 05:44.09 | lenoxx | what's the maximum priority that i can assign something with in update-alternatives? |
| 05:44.12 | lenoxx | is there some sort of MAX constant? |
| 05:44.27 | stoned | black_13: where I come from calling someone a penis is an insult |
| 05:44.48 | stoned | lenoxx: hmm |
| 05:44.49 | black_13 | form follows function |
| 05:45.28 | stoned | eitherway, smartass or penis |
| 05:45.33 | stoned | learn to search the manpages |
| 05:45.35 | stoned | . |
| 05:46.19 | stoned | lenoxx: what are you trying to do |
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| 05:47.02 | lenoxx | i am trying to set the priority on something so high that no matter what gets installed, my particular program stays up at the highest priority and all i have to worry about is calling update-alternatives --auto <program> if even that |
| 05:47.23 | stoned | I see |
| 05:47.50 | lenoxx | so... how would i do that without using magic numbers like 100 or 3000? |
| 05:48.07 | stoned | I'm not really sure, but I am interested in finding out as well |
| 05:49.36 | litage | why does my terminal lock up when i hit ctrl+d? |
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| 05:49.38 | stoned | I think it means to exit |
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| 05:49.52 | litage | stoned: but it doesn't exit... |
| 05:50.05 | litage | stoned: at least, not when i'm in vi.. |
| 05:50.45 | rahul | because your shell interprets ctrl-d as exit |
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| 05:51.04 | n3kl | Hi. |
| 05:51.22 | Kevin` | fyi, ctrl+d is eof |
| 05:51.52 | n3kl | I would like to get a website up quickly and I don't do much web dev, so I need some sort of content management system. Anyone know of some packages that I might check out? |
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| 05:51.57 | lenoxx | anyone know? it doesn't seem like this program has it :( |
| 05:52.00 | jpin | markybob: Your name is Pinto? |
| 05:52.07 | markybob | jpin, last name, yes |
| 05:52.18 | markybob | jpin, first name marcos. from sao paulo, brazil |
| 05:52.47 | jpin | you're brazilian.. :-) i'm portuguese |
| 05:52.51 | stoned | lenoxx: I had xfce and kde installed and I had manually specified kde as the session manager. I just installed gnome-core and checked again.. kde is still the x session manager |
| 05:53.06 | stoned | lenoxx: is this what you're talking about? |
| 05:53.13 | stoned | similar? |
| 05:53.19 | rahul | shouldn't your nick be markybean, then? |
| 05:53.20 | markybob | jpin, so your great-great-grandfather probably had sex with my great-great-grandmother. |
| 05:53.34 | jpin | markybob: heh... |
| 05:53.41 | Router` | i know debian comes with a kernel firewall. Does that eradicate the need for a physical firewall? |
| 05:53.56 | markybob | Router`, depends if you know wtf you're doing |
| 05:54.00 | threat2 | n3kl: <html><head><title>My website</title></head><body><h1>Welcome to my website</h1><p>This page took me a few secs to write</p></body></html> |
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| 05:54.11 | rahul | Router`: a physical firewall is just another computer with a kernel firewall on it |
| 05:54.16 | stoned | Router`: anything with NAT _IS_ essentially a firewall |
| 05:54.35 | Guerin | Router`: a firewall can't really protect the machine it's running on |
| 05:54.40 | clever | how would i make a .deb file for a package i built from source instead of make install'ing it? |
| 05:54.44 | threat2 | stoned: unless you are translating with non-private addresses |
| 05:55.05 | rahul | Guerin: sure it can |
| 05:55.08 | stoned | threat2: yo yo ma |
| 05:55.14 | threat2 | clever: what pkg? |
| 05:55.14 | n3kl | threat2: I don't really have the time to build tags from scratch. I need something that looks decent |
| 05:55.16 | Guerin | clever: checkinstall, or /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 05:55.18 | stoned | Giddyup! |
| 05:55.24 | n3kl | threat2: any other ideas? |
| 05:55.30 | threat2 | n3kl: start coding |
| 05:55.43 | clever | ive made mplayer from source since the package in apt is old and lacks features i wanted |
| 05:55.48 | Guerin | rahul: not *really*. Ie, it can't prevent exploits in that box's kernel, etc. |
| 05:55.49 | threat2 | n3kl: site that populate consents from a SQL database takes like 5 - 10mins to write |
| 05:55.50 | litage | okay, now this is weird..``aptitude changelog cpio'' says it's not an official debian package: E: cpio is not an official Debian package, cannot display its changelog. |
| 05:55.55 | Guerin | clever: oh. |
| 05:56.03 | clever | but i was thinking if i make a .deb for it and intall that it would be able to uninstall and manage dep's better |
| 05:56.09 | rahul | Guerin: sure, C coders will be C coders. bleh. |
| 05:56.18 | stoned | hah |
| 05:56.18 | Guerin | clever: mplayer has a debian/ dir already, so just edit the debian/rules file and run debian/rules binary |
| 05:56.23 | Guerin | rahul: heh. |
| 05:56.26 | clever | for example the binary xmms-mplayer plugin wont install enless i also get the old unwanted mplayer package |
| 05:56.47 | threat2 | n3kl: anyway, shouldn't you be asking about webdesign in a webdesign related channel |
| 05:56.47 | stoned | I like to design stuff more than code |
| 05:56.52 | stoned | I'm not laughing |
| 05:56.53 | clever | ahh but how would i do it for packages lacking that folder? |
| 05:56.59 | stoned | I don't really laugh.. I'm a very sad man |
| 05:57.10 | n3kl | threat2: got one in mind? |
| 05:57.20 | Router` | if there are exploits in the kernel then a physical firewall is the better solution is it not? |
| 05:57.27 | Guerin | clever: you'd create the folder using debhelper or somesuch, /msg dpkg nm guide. Checkinstall will also automate it. |
| 05:57.42 | threat2 | n3kl: #w3c, #css, #webdesign, #php |
| 05:57.58 | Guerin | Router`: yes and no. There could be exploitable flaws in the kernel of whatever router you're running, too. |
| 05:58.11 | stoned | :L |
| 05:58.18 | threat2 | Router`: not really, a physical firewall can still have bugs in the software |
| 05:58.41 | Router` | does debian have kernel issues? |
| 05:58.47 | stoned | Router`: yes |
| 05:58.53 | Router` | hmmm on all versions? |
| 05:58.55 | stoned | Router`: every distro has kernel issues |
| 05:58.57 | threat2 | Router`: just because a router uses closed source doesn't mean it is more secure then way a linux firewall router running on an old 200MHz pentium 1 |
| 05:59.00 | litage | could someone who uses stable/sarge please tell me if this command gives an error?: aptitude changelog cpio |
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| 05:59.10 | stoned | Router`: dependson if the issue is big for people or not |
| 05:59.16 | n3kl | threat2: thanks |
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| 05:59.43 | threat2 | n3kl: start coding :P or you could use something like phpnuke or something similar |
| 05:59.51 | threat2 | n3kl: but it isn't hard to write your own |
| 05:59.54 | stoned | Router`: for example I have issues with kernels less than 2.6.18 in debian for my hardware |
| 06:00.02 | stoned | j/k |
| 06:00.36 | n3kl | threat2: I have used nice tools like macromedia, but I don't have the time to learn tools and such |
| 06:00.45 | Guerin | Router`: *all* software is exploitable, in principle. |
| 06:00.47 | n3kl | threat2: or go through a book on css or php |
| 06:01.01 | Router` | is debian is the most heavily tested and stable of linux distro's? |
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| 06:01.11 | Guerin | Router`: it's just that the method of exploiting some software has not yet been discovered or perfected |
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| 06:01.15 | stoned | Router`: don't ask questions like that |
| 06:01.28 | Guerin | Router`: yes, if you run debian *stable* |
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| 06:02.00 | scx | what's the man for the bootparam? |
| 06:02.02 | stoned | I wonder how openbsd compares |
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| 06:02.30 | threat2 | n3kl: then you don't have time to have a website then |
| 06:02.40 | n3kl | threat2: =] |
| 06:02.42 | Guerin | stoned: openbsd isn't really comparable, since all code distributed as part of the project is audited |
| 06:02.46 | scx | It was... have it right here,... it's... |
| 06:02.53 | Guerin | stoned: this is impractical when you release as much code as debian |
| 06:02.59 | threat2 | n3kl: give me lots of money and I will code something for you :) |
| 06:03.04 | stoned | Guerin: quite so |
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| 06:03.26 | stoned | Guerin: though for stable base its not much |
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| 06:04.41 | scx | I'm starting to hate those *buntu users |
| 06:04.46 | stoned | Guerin: I still wonder though.. I wondner a lot. Do you wonder? |
| 06:04.58 | Guerin | stoned: constantly. |
| 06:04.59 | threat2 | scx: why? |
| 06:05.01 | scx | trolls all of them |
| 06:05.04 | stoned | I wonder what it is like to not wonder? |
| 06:05.04 | stoned | hehe |
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| 06:05.36 | stoned | scx: don't blame the people |
| 06:05.44 | stoned | I beleive I was one of the typical ubuntu like users |
| 06:05.58 | threat2 | I am running xubuntu as we speak, am I a bad person? :) |
| 06:06.02 | scx | oh but I can do this and that in ubuntu... oh, but in Kubuntu is the f*cking easy thing to do that... |
| 06:06.05 | stoned | had I been started on something like ubuntu and the ubuntu society I would probably have turned out ot be a moron |
| 06:06.13 | stoned | gladly I chose debian a long time ago |
| 06:06.29 | scx | yah I'm flaming |
| 06:06.33 | threat2 | stoned: do you still have any hair left? or have you pulled it all out? |
| 06:06.36 | stoned | and just using it and being here my knowledge has grown much |
| 06:06.36 | scx | but many of them are that way |
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| 06:06.53 | Guerin | stoned: why obsess about it?? Live and let live. |
| 06:06.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 06:06.58 | Guerin | scx: |
| 06:07.06 | stoned | Guerin: not obsessing |
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| 06:07.10 | scx | Guerin |
| 06:07.12 | stoned | just making conv. |
| 06:07.16 | Guerin | stoned: talking to scx |
| 06:07.20 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:07.21 | stoned | whoops |
| 06:07.24 | Guerin | :) |
| 06:07.36 | stoned | am I obligated to come back with a smiley face ? |
| 06:07.38 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:07.38 | replaceafill | hi everybody. i downloaded the 3 debian dvds isos., is it possible to copy the |
| 06:07.40 | Guerin | no |
| 06:07.43 | stoned | j/k man |
| 06:07.48 | rahul | just a stoned face |
| 06:07.48 | stoned | being a smartass |
| 06:07.49 | replaceafill | dvds into one pc and install it in many |
| 06:07.52 | Guerin | stoned: no. |
| 06:07.58 | scx | :o |
| 06:08.00 | stoned | no |
| 06:08.06 | Guerin | replaceafill: yes, but it's some work. |
| 06:08.08 | stoned | I'm being a smartass |
| 06:08.13 | stoned | why do you keep saying no tome |
| 06:08.19 | Guerin | replaceafill: if you have many boxen to install, you probably want to use FAI |
| 06:08.25 | rahul | stoned: no |
| 06:08.25 | stoned | bah its not funny anymore |
| 06:08.27 | stoned | so anyway |
| 06:08.30 | stoned | rahul: hey shaddup |
| 06:08.33 | stoned | :/ |
| 06:08.35 | rahul | heh |
| 06:08.37 | Guerin | there's only one answer to that |
| 06:08.46 | sivik | is there a way to set a default font in openoffice |
| 06:09.00 | sivik | i hate times new |
| 06:09.04 | stoned | sivik: lot of people go to #openoffice.org |
| 06:09.13 | Guerin | sivik: yes. |
| 06:09.24 | stoned | your chances for finding an ooo user here are less than over there |
| 06:09.26 | Guerin | times new roman is a good font |
| 06:09.27 | stoned | obviously |
| 06:09.35 | sivik | stoned: i was looking for that channel, thank you |
| 06:09.37 | stoned | good/bad are relative |
| 06:09.40 | stoned | sivik: yw |
| 06:09.46 | sivik | Guerin: times new roman is ugly |
| 06:09.51 | stoned | yo'ure ugly! |
| 06:09.54 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:10.12 | stoned | beauty is in the eye of the (sober)beholder |
| 06:10.15 | Guerin | sivik: i care about ugliness less than I care about functionality in a font. And TNR is *very* functional |
| 06:10.31 | stoned | I like dejavu |
| 06:10.33 | sivik | Guerin: Arial is better |
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| 06:10.37 | stoned | its a very nice-a |
| 06:10.44 | Guerin | sivik: arial is sans-serif, you can't even compare them |
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| 06:10.54 | sivik | Guerin: yes i can |
| 06:10.55 | replaceafill | Guerin: but if i use fai, could the workstations use my "server" to install additional software later? |
| 06:10.58 | Guerin | sivik: in sans fonts, I and l look too similar |
| 06:11.04 | sivik | Guerin: oh well |
| 06:11.05 | stoned | Guerin: god I hate that |
| 06:11.10 | scx | Dejavu is better |
| 06:11.17 | Guerin | replaceafill: absolutely, just set up an apt-proxy or a local repo |
| 06:11.19 | scx | no no my sister is better |
| 06:11.28 | Guerin | beer is better |
| 06:11.29 | stoned | dude, no. |
| 06:11.30 | scx | no, no my dog is better, bah |
| 06:11.31 | Guerin | than * |
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| 06:11.42 | stoned | thats a bad scx |
| 06:11.45 | stoned | bad scx |
| 06:12.08 | litage | ph0bia: it seems that if i have a security.debian.org entry in sources.list , ``aptitude changelog {cpio, curl, bsdutils}'' fails. but if i remove the security entry, the command succeeds. why would that be? |
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| 06:12.47 | Guerin | litage: multiple versions available confuse it? |
| 06:13.13 | sivik | stoned: there doesn't seem to be anyone alive in openoffice.org channel |
| 06:13.30 | scx | sivik: man just check the preferences dialogue |
| 06:13.34 | stoned | I don't use java |
| 06:13.36 | stoned | I don't use ooo |
| 06:13.38 | stoned | I have no idea |
| 06:13.47 | stoned | be patient or try your luck here or in ##linux |
| 06:13.51 | scx | I can check here... |
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| 06:13.58 | Guerin | sivik: you want to change the `default' style |
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| 06:14.12 | ben_h | hi folks |
| 06:14.18 | stoned | hi |
| 06:14.30 | litage | Guerin: i guess that's a possibility, though very strange |
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| 06:14.58 | stoned | man I must say this again |
| 06:15.02 | ben_h | I've just run a standard etch RC1 installation, upon the first boot my network failed to come up because both the onboard network (e100) and the autodetected 1394 eth interface have claimed eth0. anyone else seen this? |
| 06:15.03 | scx | sivik: tools ---> options ---> OpenOffice.org Writer ---> Basic fonts western |
| 06:15.21 | ben_h | at least, dmesg reports that both drivers have assigned eth0 to their respective devices |
| 06:16.08 | stoned | hey I don't know much about ssh |
| 06:16.22 | stoned | is it possible to make it so that when I try to login to my laptop it doesn't ask me for a passwrd |
| 06:16.30 | Guerin | ben_h: that's retarded. |
| 06:16.36 | stoned | like setup a key or somethin or auto pass type thingy |
| 06:16.42 | Guerin | ben_h: put e100 into /etc/modules and reboot |
| 06:16.45 | scx | stoned: you don't use ooo? don't tell me you use g-suite please |
| 06:16.53 | stoned | scx: abiword! |
| 06:16.58 | stoned | I don't do anything else |
| 06:17.01 | ben_h | stoned: yeah that's easy, use ssh-keygen to generate a key on the local box, and then ssh-copy-id to install it on the remote box |
| 06:17.03 | stoned | fuck presentations fuck spreadsheets |
| 06:17.04 | Guerin | oo.o is frustrating as all hell |
| 06:17.05 | scx | that's g-stuff |
| 06:17.07 | stoned | don't need none of that crap |
| 06:17.13 | stoned | no it isn't |
| 06:17.18 | stoned | well it is |
| 06:17.19 | Guerin | the broke the holy tag-middleclick copy/paste thing |
| 06:17.22 | stoned | but its not gnome specific |
| 06:17.25 | scx | yes: gnumeric abiword... |
| 06:17.38 | scx | it was istn't it? |
| 06:17.44 | ben_h | Guerin: the module is being loaded fine. both modules load without error, the problem is that the second one to load doesn't use eth1 as it should. |
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| 06:17.55 | ben_h | this has happened on two completely different computers now |
| 06:18.12 | stoned | it is Gtk based |
| 06:18.13 | Guerin | if you put e100 in /etc/modules it should *force* it to load first and take eth0 |
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| 06:18.17 | Guerin | ben_h: |
| 06:18.18 | stoned | and so is gnome |
| 06:18.18 | ben_h | one was e1000 and eth1394, one was e1000 and a realtek-based card |
| 06:18.28 | stoned | but hat doesnt make abiword gnome specific |
| 06:18.31 | Guerin | ben_h: it's usually controlled by irq |
| 06:18.35 | ben_h | Guerin: .. yes, it does. the problem is that the second card then ALSO takes eth0 |
| 06:18.42 | Guerin | ben_h: you can also use ifrename to fix0r it |
| 06:18.49 | Guerin | ben_h: WTF |
| 06:18.51 | ben_h | i would paste you dmesg output but there is no network connection. |
| 06:18.51 | scx | stoned: xact, I feel angry against GTK |
| 06:18.58 | stoned | scx: why so? |
| 06:19.08 | scx | stoned: but let's leave it there before I start with GTK |
| 06:19.13 | stoned | lol ok |
| 06:19.15 | ben_h | Guerin: WTF is basically my original question :) |
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| 06:19.19 | Guerin | ben_h: tried booting with nolapic etc? |
| 06:19.31 | cahoot | ben_h: not udev related? |
| 06:19.32 | scx | I could flood here pointing all why I am sick about it |
| 06:19.35 | ben_h | Guerin: the machine ran fine with sarge |
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| 06:19.41 | ben_h | cahoot: how do you mean? |
| 06:19.48 | Guerin | ben_h: i struck this - my mobo has a rlt8139 onboard - if I put another one in the pci, one or other will freak. |
| 06:19.56 | Guerin | ben_h: a different card works peachy every time |
| 06:20.01 | ben_h | Guerin: it's an intel board, i doubt it has buggy apic |
| 06:20.01 | cahoot | ben_h: persistent-net.rules sould take care of eth-naming |
| 06:20.04 | stoned | scx: if you have valid reasons and you throw the word debian every now and again I think it will almost on topic |
| 06:20.07 | stoned | lol |
| 06:20.09 | Guerin | ben_h: mm, yeah. |
| 06:20.26 | Guerin | tbf, nolapic didn't help my case |
| 06:21.19 | Guerin | it's not easy, eh |
| 06:22.03 | ben_h | cahoot: hmm, looks like it might have miswritten that file. (based on how it's set it up for another of our servers.. i'll go into the server room to check the new one (no ssh yet :) ) ) |
| 06:22.13 | ben_h | i suspect that's the problem. thanks in advance guys |
| 06:22.33 | ben_h | stoned: FYI: on the local machine: 'ssh-keygen -t dsa', accept defaults, use empty password |
| 06:22.57 | Guerin | and guard that key with your life |
| 06:23.03 | kupesoft | Where can I find more info on setting up /etc/networking/interfaces appropriate for an ip masquerading wired/wireless router? |
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| 06:23.09 | ben_h | then, cat ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub | ssh user@remote 'cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys' |
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| 06:23.32 | Guerin | kupesoft: man interfaces; for the iptables side of things, lartc.org |
| 06:24.31 | kupesoft | Guerin: man interfaces doesn't have much in the way of explaining how to bridge eth1/wlan0... |
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| 06:24.48 | Guerin | kupesoft: you don't need to bridge them |
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| 06:25.27 | kupesoft | Guerin, but then the wired part would have to be on a different subnet as the wireless... |
| 06:25.34 | Guerin | kupesoft: what's wrong with that? |
| 06:25.38 | mhiku | how to color bash? |
| 06:25.39 | Guerin | i have that very setup |
| 06:25.51 | kupesoft | Guerin: Not appropriate for my setup )= |
| 06:25.52 | Guerin | mhiku: tldp.org has a bash colour howto |
| 06:26.03 | Guerin | kupesoft: lartc.org should be your win |
| 06:26.24 | Guerin | i have a whole /16 for three computers :) |
| 06:26.34 | Guerin | just because I can |
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| 06:26.52 | scv | oh |
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| 06:30.03 | kupesoft | Guerin: pm? |
| 06:30.03 | xnerde | kupesoft: try google for ip-masquerade howto |
| 06:30.16 | Guerin | kupesoft: too busy. |
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| 06:30.32 | kupesoft | xnerde: It's mostly about setting up /etc/networking/interfaces |
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| 06:33.49 | xnerde | Oskar Andreasson |
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| 06:39.57 | xelados | Which is better if what I'm after is a good balance of stability and up-to-dateness? Would the testing branch of Debian work well? |
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| 06:41.19 | Guerin | xelados: yes and no. |
| 06:41.32 | Guerin | xelados: it'll still break now and then, but not too badly. |
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| 06:41.36 | Guerin | hopefully |
| 06:41.48 | va | hi to all..i am getting problem in netboot installation |
| 06:41.48 | va | can anyone help me |
| 06:42.03 | xelados | Well, the only stuff I really need up to date is perhaps vim, Gaim, building tools like gcc, and Firefox. |
| 06:42.55 | xelados | I'm considering going with a server installation anyway, so I can build the system from the ground up. |
| 06:45.07 | xelados | Guerin: Do you know the more common things in the testing branch that are likely to crap out on people? |
| 06:45.18 | xelados | Or unstable, for that matter? |
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| 06:59.44 | Fr0Gs | how can i allow everyone to use SUDO |
| 06:59.49 | Fr0Gs | every user |
| 06:59.54 | silya | Hi all! I need FPinger alternative in linux. Any suggestions? |
| 07:00.05 | xelados | Fr0Gs: Add them into a group and then add the group to the sudoers file? |
| 07:00.23 | Fr0Gs | is there any other way to just allow everyone |
| 07:00.30 | xelados | Not that I know of. |
| 07:00.35 | xelados | My method probably isn't the best, either. |
| 07:00.35 | xelados | :p |
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| 07:00.38 | Fr0Gs | what group is a user in by default |
| 07:00.52 | xelados | Make a new user and find out. |
| 07:01.39 | scx | users |
| 07:01.43 | scx | duh |
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| 07:02.05 | scx | srry |
| 07:02.07 | xelados | Users can be a member of multiple groups, right? |
| 07:02.32 | scx | sure |
| 07:02.34 | LeFallen | xelados: Yes. But they have one primary group. |
| 07:02.51 | xelados | Ah. I'll have to look into that sometime. |
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| 07:03.26 | Fr0Gs | how can i find |
| 07:03.29 | Fr0Gs | out what group |
| 07:03.42 | Fr0Gs | oh wait |
| 07:03.43 | Fr0Gs | ID |
| 07:03.44 | Fr0Gs | id* |
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| 07:06.14 | Fr0Gs | i forgot it |
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| 07:09.53 | xelados | Which version of Firefox does Debian stable have? |
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| 07:13.32 | Guerin | xelados: this question is a bit tricky to answer |
| 07:13.38 | Guerin | xelados: nominally, it's 1.0.4 |
| 07:13.39 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hej! |
| 07:14.03 | Guerin | xelados: however it's actually more likely to be the latest released version of the 1.0 series |
| 07:14.19 | Guerin | so 1.0.7 or whatever |
| 07:14.19 | xelados | I could compile up to the latest beta though if I wanted to, right? |
| 07:14.52 | Guerin | xelados: yes, presuming they haven't written it such that it needs to be built against certain lib versions |
| 07:15.09 | xelados | And about compiling... what needs to be done to a package/program if I decide I don't like it anymore after compiling it? |
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| 07:15.16 | lepine_h | hi all |
| 07:15.19 | Guerin | at this point, unless you need rock-solid stability in the immediate term, I would use etch, which has 2.0 |
| 07:15.30 | lepine_h | i;ve got a sarge install, with php 5.2 and exim |
| 07:15.33 | Guerin | xelados: if you build from debian source, you just uninstall |
| 07:15.39 | Guerin | lepine_h: that's not a sarge install |
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| 07:15.53 | xelados | I hear Gentoo has a good way to fight that, but I haven't seen a solution for it here in (x)ubuntu, which is based off of sid last I checked. |
| 07:15.55 | Guerin | lepine_h: it's sarge with a big fin bolted on the back, voiding your warranty |
| 07:16.03 | lepine_h | huh? |
| 07:16.10 | Guerin | lepine_h: php5 isn't in sarge. |
| 07:16.15 | lepine_h | oh |
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| 07:16.31 | lepine_h | my bad, must have gotten it from backports then |
| 07:17.15 | lepine_h | what kind of configuration options hsould i be looking into for the php mail function to work on my exim install ? |
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| 07:17.56 | Guerin | lepine_h: no idea. ask #exim or #php |
| 07:18.03 | lepine_h | will do |
| 07:18.06 | Guerin | i was under the impression it should Just Work |
| 07:18.07 | lepine_h | thanks anyway |
| 07:18.14 | rahul | what makes you think it would need configuration? |
| 07:18.15 | lepine_h | so did i |
| 07:18.34 | rahul | it should just use sendmail, which is provided by the mta |
| 07:18.44 | lepine_h | well, php mail function returns true |
| 07:18.47 | lepine_h | exim is running |
| 07:18.54 | rahul | check exim logs |
| 07:19.01 | lepine_h | and the path to "sendmail" is correct |
| 07:19.20 | lepine_h | rahul that actually is a good idea :P |
| 07:19.22 | lepine_h | doign so :) |
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| 07:20.10 | rahul | !logsmite lepine_h |
| 07:20.43 | lepine_h | while it's not being extremely helpful, i _do_ see apache's user in there |
| 07:20.59 | lepine_h | www-data@localhost.localdomain ... |
| 07:21.05 | lepine_h | and there's completed somewhere in there ... |
| 07:21.20 | lepine_h | willing to be the mail was refused because of that information (localhost.localdomain) |
| 07:21.57 | Guerin | fix /etc/hosts and it might work? |
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| 07:25.11 | lepine_h | ah, finally got a decent hit in the logs ... mailing to remote domaines is not supported ... |
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| 07:27.47 | xelados | Looking at Debian's Installation Manual, I don't see a manual for an AMD64 installation. |
| 07:29.20 | metrics | xelados: It's prolly going to be much the same as i386...but with the amd64 image. |
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| 07:31.06 | ice63 | ati sucks nvidia rock's :) |
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| 07:31.46 | xelados | metrics: That would be done by installing the i386 system and simply replacing the i386 linux image with the amd64 version? |
| 07:31.47 | xelados | o_O |
| 07:33.45 | va | metrics:i tried throgh netboot installation i am getting a problem |
| 07:34.04 | metrics | xelados: You could do that, but that wouldn't make the most of it. The amd64 image has the app's and libs built for amd64. |
| 07:34.33 | metrics | But you will probably need to run some stuff in a chroot...someone else will have more infor. |
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| 07:35.25 | va | metrics can u help me.. |
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| 07:35.57 | metrics | va: Maybe... |
| 07:36.08 | metrics | Tell the channel your problem. |
| 07:36.56 | va | metrics:i want to install through debian netinst my image |
| 07:37.24 | metrics | va: What do you mean by "my image"? |
| 07:38.35 | va | metrics:if we give ftp.se.debian.org..then /debian..like that my sever address and then my folder name |
| 07:38.39 | lkthomas | guys |
| 07:38.43 | lkthomas | anyone have idea on this error ? debian imaplogin: /etc/courier/shared/index: No such file or directory |
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| 07:39.12 | metrics | va: Okay, so you're using a local repository? |
| 07:39.32 | va | metrics :s |
| 07:40.08 | ice63 | lkthomas: thak about that :) |
| 07:40.09 | metrics | va: I have no clue what you are actually trying to do. |
| 07:40.20 | lkthomas | Icb3a, I mean what is it inside that file |
| 07:40.23 | Guerin | lkthomas: it's pretty fucking clear and explicit, don't you think? |
| 07:40.32 | metrics | haha |
| 07:40.34 | lkthomas | Guerin, what is it inside that file then ?! |
| 07:40.43 | Guerin | lkthomas: how should I know, it's your computer. |
| 07:40.51 | va | metrics..throgh netinst only i want to connect to my local repo |
| 07:40.51 | Guerin | could be badger porn for all I know |
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| 07:42.02 | metrics | va: No idea then unfortunately, although you probably should double check that the repo actually work. |
| 07:42.19 | va | metrics:s it is working |
| 07:43.13 | va | metrics:i usually used download all packages from this repo only.. |
| 07:44.00 | metrics | va: I probably can't help, but what is the error you are actually getting? |
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| 07:44.36 | va | not downloading image.. |
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| 07:45.11 | metrics | But you've got the iso? |
| 07:45.43 | va | s |
| 07:45.43 | metrics | And you boot with it, then it doesn't get the actual packages... |
| 07:46.31 | scx | what is it the bootparam manual? |
| 07:46.39 | scx | can't remember |
| 07:46.58 | scx | you know like splash=verbose init=5 etc |
| 07:46.59 | stew | scx: Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt ? |
| 07:47.10 | scx | well, there was a man also |
| 07:47.26 | scx | man bootparam or something alike |
| 07:47.27 | va | metrics:from network installation..first it is connecting to debian server..then in pool..then downloading the all packages |
| 07:47.50 | va | metrics:but for my server it is not downloading |
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| 07:48.10 | metrics | va: Well, you probably have to tell it to use your local repository at some point. |
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| 07:49.21 | va | metrics:hostname:port..at this point we can give ftp.se.debian.org..there only i am giving my repo address |
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| 07:50.12 | va | metrics:can we install other linux through debian netinstallable cd |
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| 07:51.10 | blahdeblah | Hi folks. Are there any installers out there that use kernel 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.17? I'm using the latest etch amd64 builds and they don't work with my VIA VT8251 SATA controller |
| 07:52.10 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 07:52.45 | karsten | dimir: Give me 8 minutes. |
| 07:52.59 | dimir | :-D |
| 07:53.07 | karsten | blahdeblah: debootstrap from the system of your choice. |
| 07:56.55 | stew | blahdeblah: etch rc2 installers should be using 2.6.18 |
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| 07:57.54 | blahdeblah | karsten: I started that, but ran into trouble when trying to get grub to boot. |
| 07:58.10 | blahdeblah | stew: Are the rc2 installers different from the latest daily builds? |
| 07:58.18 | karsten | blahdeblah: Then fix your grub config / install. |
| 07:58.32 | karsten | blahdeblah: That hardly requires a full reinstall. |
| 07:58.38 | stew | blahdeblah: i doubt it |
| 07:58.49 | karsten | blahdeblah: ... and a full reinstall might well not address the problem either. |
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| 07:58.51 | stew | blahdeblah: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00004.html |
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| 07:59.49 | blahdeblah | karsten: I must be misunderstanding you. I thought the general idea was: debootstrap on local filesystem, chroot to that filesystem, make things bootable with grub-install. Correct? |
| 08:00.09 | dev1 | I configured vsftpd with virtual user support. And after that local user can't connect to server in their home directories that listed in chroot_list. What is the problem? |
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| 08:00.28 | karsten | blahdeblah: More or less. I frequently start with Knoppix, but any Linux install will do. |
| 08:00.54 | blahdeblah | karsten: My problem probably is that i'm trying to debootstrap the drive in a USB caddy. |
| 08:01.05 | blahdeblah | grub-install doesn't seem to like that much |
| 08:01.18 | blahdeblah | even though it shows up as a standard sdX |
| 08:01.44 | karsten | blahdeblah: Where's this drive going to end up? |
| 08:02.06 | blahdeblah | SATA controller on the mobo, it should show up as sda |
| 08:02.09 | stew | blahdeblah: what is the problem you have booting? |
| 08:02.27 | karsten | blahdeblah: ... and I'd think that for install it really doesn't matter where the drive is. Though you may need to tweak your /boot/grub/menu.lst to set your root partition (linux, not grub) correctly. |
| 08:02.37 | blahdeblah | stew: No SATA drives found - the vt8251 wasn't fully supported until 2.6.18 if my research is correct |
| 08:02.45 | karsten | blahdeblah: ... what stew said. What happens when you attempt to boot? |
| 08:02.52 | karsten | blahdeblah: Using initrd? |
| 08:02.58 | karsten | blahdeblah: ... and what kernel? |
| 08:02.59 | stew | blahdeblah: do you know which module supports your sata controller? |
| 08:03.02 | blahdeblah | Using latest etch daily build cd |
| 08:03.11 | blahdeblah | stew: Should be ahci, i think. |
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| 08:03.15 | blahdeblah | Tried it manually, wouldn't load |
| 08:03.28 | stew | blahdeblah: why wouldn't it load? |
| 08:03.42 | blahdeblah | Because the chipset isn't supported, i assume |
| 08:03.59 | stew | blahdeblah: what was the error? no such device? |
| 08:04.04 | karsten | blahdeblah: You've got a couple of smart guys here, might help to provide a detailed report of what you're doing and what happens on boot. |
| 08:04.08 | stew | !hcl |
| 08:04.09 | dpkg | well, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 08:04.11 | karsten | blahdeblah: Specific error messages. |
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| 08:04.25 | karsten | blahdeblah: Captured over serial console if at all possible. |
| 08:04.33 | stew | blahdeblah: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 08:05.50 | blahdeblah | karsten: Bear with me, i'll find it. But it's a very generic "you don't have any hard disks" sort of message. |
| 08:06.11 | blahdeblah | It's from the installer - dmesg shows absolutely nothing. |
| 08:06.19 | karsten | blahdeblah: OK. Can you boot with the latest Knoppix or DSL and access the drive? |
| 08:06.40 | blahdeblah | DSL? |
| 08:06.50 | karsten | !dsl |
| 08:06.50 | dpkg | somebody said dsl was Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 08:07.02 | karsten | damn small linux |
| 08:07.04 | streuner_ | blahdeblah: there is 'grml' as well |
| 08:07.32 | blahdeblah | stew: That link you posted says rc2 is out, but http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ doesn't have it - what gives? |
| 08:07.51 | karsten | blahdeblah: It's a bit of a punt, but both Knoppix and DSL are frequently updated bootable distros with excellent HW detection. Great for bootstrapping installs. |
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| 08:08.15 | stew | blahdeblah: oh, i guess its not built yet. it will probably built from todays daily or so |
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| 08:08.20 | karsten | blahdeblah: The Debian chroot install / debootstrap install docs are based on my own docs for chroot installs from RH and Knoppix. |
| 08:08.40 | stew | blahdeblah: but i don't see why you can't get your debootstrapped version working |
| 08:08.55 | blahdeblah | Because grub-install fails. I'll get you the error message. |
| 08:09.02 | knirps | hi.. how come exim4 is installed and run by default in stable.. and it's not even usable |
| 08:09.02 | dev1 | real username from passwd, but Login failed :( |
| 08:09.11 | karsten | dev1: ?? |
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| 08:09.24 | karsten | knirps: You've misconfigured it. |
| 08:09.26 | dev1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.30 | karsten | !tell knirps about smart questions |
| 08:09.38 | knirps | karsten: I haven't even configured it |
| 08:09.54 | stew | knirps: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:09.55 | karsten | knirps: Well then, there you have it. |
| 08:09.58 | knirps | shouldn't it come preconfigured if it's going to come installed by default? |
| 08:10.07 | karsten | knirps: Um. No. Next question. |
| 08:10.09 | stew | knirps: it did come preconfigured |
| 08:10.10 | dev1 | karsten: !! |
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| 08:10.25 | knirps | stew: well it came premisconfigured |
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| 08:10.29 | knirps | in that case |
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| 08:10.42 | karsten | knirps: Quit bitching about it and do what you're told. |
| 08:10.46 | karsten | dev1: NFC, sorry. |
| 08:10.50 | stew | knirps: it came preconfigured with a very safe set of defaults that you apparantly don't like, 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' will give you some broad options |
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| 08:11.00 | knirps | karsten: don't talk to me. thanks |
| 08:11.11 | blahdeblah | stew: adam:/# grub-install /dev/md2 |
| 08:11.11 | blahdeblah | sync does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 08:11.14 | karsten | knirps: Deal. |
| 08:11.25 | knirps | stew: ty |
| 08:11.27 | stew | knirps: karsten: please use /ignore |
| 08:11.56 | stew | blahdeblah: don't install to a raid array, install to the mbr of the actual physical device(s) |
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| 08:12.25 | blahdeblah | stew: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 08:12.26 | blahdeblah | Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
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| 08:12.27 | Guerin | knirps: by default, it *asks* you how you want it set up. So if you told it wrong, how is that debian's problem? |
| 08:12.27 | olsen | hi |
| 08:12.36 | olsen | anyone know some web tool for see the internet traffic? |
| 08:12.41 | stew | blahdeblah: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 08:12.41 | olsen | or network traffic |
| 08:12.46 | knirps | Guerin: it never asked me anything.. that's the problem |
| 08:12.48 | blahdeblah | stew: yep |
| 08:12.58 | blahdeblah | olsen: ntop? |
| 08:12.58 | stew | blahdeblah: read /usr/share/doc/grep/README.Debian |
| 08:13.03 | Guerin | knirps: if that's the case, then it's worth filing a bug |
| 08:13.04 | karsten | olsen: tcpdump, wireshark, ntop, atop |
| 08:13.05 | knirps | Guerin: I never seen anything about it during the installation |
| 08:13.24 | Guerin | knirps: which installer? |
| 08:13.28 | streuner_ | blahdeblah: what's the exact URL you downloaded from? |
| 08:13.54 | blahdeblah | streuner_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 08:14.00 | knirps | Guerin: no idea. I don't know enough of the details to fill a bug report.. I'll just reconfigure it like stew suggested |
| 08:14.06 | blahdeblah | stew: Presumably you mean grub, not grep. :-) |
| 08:14.12 | blahdeblah | Is it in a separate package? |
| 08:14.13 | Guerin | helpful |
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| 08:14.16 | knirps | Guerin: was a old cd.. so might have been fixed already |
| 08:14.39 | stew | blahdeblah: yeah, sorry, zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 08:14.56 | karsten | stew: ... or eval $( lesspipe ) |
| 08:15.04 | olsen | karsten: are those web based? |
| 08:15.33 | karsten | olsen: No. Console / cmdline, for the most part. What specifically are you looking for? |
| 08:15.46 | Guerin | olsen: there's one which generates logs. iptraf maybe? |
| 08:15.52 | olsen | karsten: a web based tool that uses those commands for see through apache |
| 08:15.57 | karsten | olsen: ... perhaps mrtg or nagios / ganglia is more your style, or webalyzer. |
| 08:16.07 | karsten | olsen: "for see through apache"? Sorry? |
| 08:16.36 | olsen | karsten: yes, through a web server |
| 08:16.46 | stew | knirps: it wasn't broken, its just that it only asks at medium prirotity and i'd guess your debconf is set to only ask you high priority questions, dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 08:17.00 | olsen | karsten: i've installed a server and they want to see the traffic with graphics and stuff, i can't tell them "learn this command line tool" they will kick my ass |
| 08:17.05 | karsten | olsen: Um. You're looking for a web-based apache monitoring system? |
| 08:17.12 | olsen | karsten: yes |
| 08:17.20 | karsten | olsen: webalyzer |
| 08:17.26 | olsen | karsten: thanks |
| 08:17.56 | karsten | olsen: http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/ |
| 08:18.24 | karsten | olsen: Sample reports: http://www.mrunix.net/webalizer/sample/index.html |
| 08:18.40 | blahdeblah | karsten: Do i need to run debootstrap --second-stage before putting the disk in the new machine? |
| 08:18.46 | knirps | okay cool. that's fine. thanks stew |
| 08:19.00 | olsen | karsten: nice, thanks a lot |
| 08:19.00 | knirps | it's working now :D |
| 08:19.08 | blahdeblah | olsen: You might find cacti helpful also. |
| 08:19.14 | karsten | blahdeblah: Dunno. Haven't run debootstrap w/ a --second-stage option. |
| 08:19.58 | olsen | blahdeblah: ok |
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| 08:20.42 | stew | blahdeblah: you don't have to. the things you should do are, set a password for root, setup /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/hostname, /etc/fstab, then read the grub docs and install grub |
| 08:22.15 | stew | blahdeblah: if you are going to move the drive to another machine, then you are going to have to add modules for the other machines hard disk controller to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$version |
| 08:22.25 | blahdeblah | Ah - worked out the problem. Needed to mount /boot from within the chroot, not outside. grub-install worked that time. |
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| 08:24.32 | blahdeblah | stew: no - when i did that, it said that it couldn't find /boot/boot. |
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| 08:24.52 | blahdeblah | stew: re: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules - if i'm using LVM should i put that in there as well? |
| 08:25.43 | stew | blahdeblah: you should need to, it would know to put that there automatically, its just that it can't automatically detect the sata controller on the machine it doesn't know you are going to put this drive into |
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| 08:26.07 | blahdeblah | stew: s/should/shouldn't/ ? |
| 08:26.17 | stew | right |
| 08:26.31 | stew | oh the other hand, it can't hurt to list dm-mod in there i suppose |
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| 08:28.44 | blahdeblah | OK - time to give this baby a try. |
| 08:29.00 | blahdeblah | Thanks for your help, stew & karsten. I'll probably be back. ;-) |
| 08:29.02 | stew | blahdeblah: last time i did what you are doing, i found that grub thought that the usb was sda and linux thought it was sdb so i had to use conflicting values for #groot and #kopt= |
| 08:30.57 | stew | !widbu |
| 08:31.14 | stew | !widbu is <reply>When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 08:31.14 | dpkg | okay, stew |
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| 08:33.49 | scx | anybody here can recomend me a cheap hosting? Debian preferably |
| 08:33.58 | scx | not that RH crap |
| 08:34.06 | scx | anything else RH |
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| 08:35.12 | ChrisW | hi all, if I've got a directory tree structure, how can I find out what the newest file is in that tree? |
| 08:36.56 | scx | beagle? |
| 08:37.19 | sanjay | hi, |
| 08:38.33 | sanjay | i cannot configure wireless nwork and blue tooth |
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| 08:40.20 | sanjay | hi i have acer aspire 5560 with Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection. can anyone help me to configure it |
| 08:42.22 | karsten | ChrisW: probably some combination of find and ls -l with special attention to the date options of find. |
| 08:43.25 | stew | or stat with a format |
| 08:44.39 | stew | ChrisW: find /somdir | xargs stat -c"%Z %n" | sort -rn | pager |
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| 08:46.13 | ChrisW | thanks guys :-) |
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| 08:53.27 | olsen | ehm, do you have to specify hotplug for the network cards in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:53.44 | olsen | in order to them to detect? |
| 08:54.07 | olsen | s/to/for |
| 08:54.31 | olsen | i have two nics, but i only can see the first one |
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| 08:54.40 | olsen | i guess the problem is that, or it doesnt have the module? |
| 08:54.44 | olsen | but ubuntu detects jus tfine |
| 08:54.45 | olsen | just* |
| 08:54.58 | olsen | and both have similar kernel versiones |
| 08:55.00 | olsen | verions* |
| 08:55.15 | olsen | ~2.6.17 |
| 08:55.33 | apt | 2.6 |
| 08:55.48 | olsen | i don't really want to leave them with ubuntu as a server |
| 08:55.55 | Furious_joe | How do you fix broken packages? |
| 08:55.58 | stew | olsen: if you know the modules for your network cards, list them in /etc/modules |
| 08:56.08 | olsen | stew: ok |
| 08:56.21 | olsen | ubunu as a server is a bad idea right |
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| 08:56.40 | stew | Furious_joe: put the command you are typing and the actual output into a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 08:56.48 | stew | olsen: we're not the ones to ask about that |
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| 09:01.06 | SubStack | oh really? |
| 09:01.13 | stew | dpkg: tell Furious_joe about paste |
| 09:01.34 | Furious_joe | damn, I did something stupid ... |
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| 09:03.56 | Furious_joe | Ok, done at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5295 |
| 09:05.02 | va | nvz:hi..today i am trying to install by netboot cd..but getting a problem |
| 09:05.21 | loca|host | how can i see contents of packets with tcpdump ? |
| 09:05.42 | cydork | loca|host: you can read it with wireshark. |
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| 09:06.05 | vaq | Hello, i have problem using connlimit in iptables whatever i do with connlimit i get iptables: No chain/target/match by that name, i've checked that iptables have the ipt_connlimit module with iptables -m connlimit -h and i get connlimit informations and the ipt_connlimit.so file at /lib exists. What could be wrong? |
| 09:06.32 | loca|host | cydork, console based .. |
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| 09:09.33 | markybob | anyone have any recommendations for pci ssl accelerators? |
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| 09:12.00 | loca|host | cydork, any other solution for console based tcp dumper ? |
| 09:12.51 | cydork | loca|host: hmm there is tcptrace which is console based but dont if that's what you want |
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| 09:16.09 | karmatronic | ll |
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| 09:19.56 | karmatronic | hi there |
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| 09:23.44 | blahdeblah | loca|host: tethereal? iptraf? |
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| 09:25.30 | blahdeblah | stew: Still around? Looks like LVM is not detected automatically. Is dm-mod the only extra thing needed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
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| 09:27.27 | blahdeblah | The message i'm getting is the same as mentioned here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=4703 |
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| 09:27.38 | blahdeblah | Indications are that a udev reinstall may be needed... |
| 09:28.03 | stew | !widbu |
| 09:28.04 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 09:28.09 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 09:28.18 | stew | blahdeblah: did it drop you into a busybox shell? |
| 09:28.31 | blahdeblah | Yep |
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| 09:29.03 | stew | blahdeblah: does "vgchange -a y" make your vg become active? |
| 09:29.29 | blahdeblah | vgchange: not found. |
| 09:29.31 | blahdeblah | Hmmm |
| 09:29.43 | stew | so that initrd doens't have lvm in it |
| 09:29.44 | blahdeblah | Looks like i might be missing a few packages... ;-( |
| 09:30.53 | blahdeblah | Interestingly, on my desktop machine, which is a very similar system, there is no entry for raid1, ahci, or dm-mod in /ec/initramfs-tools/modules. |
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| 09:31.32 | stew | blahdeblah: well you might have the lvm2 package installed, but for some reason it isn't ending up in the initrd |
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| 09:31.55 | blahdeblah | Just comparing the rest of /etc/initramfs-tools now |
| 09:32.06 | stew | blahdeblah: is fstab setup on the drive to mount the partitions from the lvm? |
| 09:32.56 | blahdeblah | yep |
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| 09:33.46 | blahdeblah | Hmmm... Now my entire SATA subsystem on my workstation is nonresponsive. Weird. |
| 09:33.53 | karmatronic | blahdeblah: what s your problem ? |
| 09:34.11 | stew | perhaps its supposed to be dm_mod and not dm-mod |
| 09:34.14 | stew | i'd think either would work |
| 09:34.30 | stew | but that doesn't necessarily explain the missing vgchange either |
| 09:34.34 | blahdeblah | karmatronic: trying to debootstrap a new system because the installer is still using 2.6.17 |
| 09:34.41 | blahdeblah | and my hardware requires 2.6.18 |
| 09:34.46 | blahdeblah | to see the sata drives |
| 09:35.12 | tuv | blahdeblah, snapshot d-i also uses 2.6.17? |
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| 09:35.13 | karmatronic | blahdeblah: but the system is already installed ? |
| 09:35.30 | stew | blahdeblah: is lvm2 installed on that drive? |
| 09:35.56 | blahdeblah | Which one - the target, or my workstation? |
| 09:36.03 | blahdeblah | karmatronic: i did a debootstrap |
| 09:36.14 | stew | blahdeblah: the drive you are trying to boot |
| 09:36.43 | Paddy_EIRE | hey guys i have successfully installed debian from the goodbye microsoft site using the windows installer, :) I am normally a ubuntu edgy user and would like to know what sort of all in one guides are available for the installation of codecs, java , flash and the like |
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| 09:37.03 | stew | blahdeblah: wait, did you reconfigure your kenrel package after editing /etc/initrafs-tools/modules ? |
| 09:37.11 | blahdeblah | yep |
| 09:37.17 | blahdeblah | Reinstalled completely, in fact. |
| 09:37.21 | blahdeblah | (i.e. purge first) |
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| 09:37.40 | blahdeblah | Paddy_EIRE: Check out debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:37.51 | Paddy_EIRE | blahdeblah: thx mate |
| 09:38.09 | blahdeblah | Paddy_EIRE: No worries. |
| 09:38.36 | blahdeblah | Paddy_EIRE: I just installed most of the same packages i used on Ubuntu and things just worked. (Except flash, but i'm on 64-bit, which doesn't support it - thank God!) |
| 09:38.43 | tuv | Paddy_EIRE, java and flash are available in debian if you're running testing or unstable. get codecs from debian-multimedia.org |
| 09:39.05 | Paddy_EIRE | oh yeah and ive just discovered iceweasel it seems to be exactly like firefox |
| 09:39.13 | blahdeblah | Paddy_EIRE: what tuv said, but make sure you have non-free enabled. |
| 09:39.16 | Paddy_EIRE | fast :) |
| 09:39.30 | blahdeblah | Paddy_EIRE: iceweasel is firefox rebuilt due to trademark issues. |
| 09:39.40 | Paddy_EIRE | ahh |
| 09:39.40 | tuv | Paddy_EIRE, iceweasel *is* firefox, rebranded |
| 09:39.44 | blahdeblah | Search google and you'll get about a million hits |
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| 09:39.56 | blahdeblah | On the debacle that is Mozilla vs. Debian |
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| 09:40.41 | tuv | there still is a firefox dummy package the installs iceweasel, i think |
| 09:40.41 | blahdeblah | stew: bah. My USB caddy just broke - i'm gonna have to reboot this host system. Thanks for your help. |
| 09:42.02 | stew | blahdeblah: did you have /proc mounted inside the chroot when you installed the kernel? |
| 09:42.07 | stew | berzerka: and a populated /dev ? |
| 09:42.22 | stew | berzerka: not you |
| 09:42.28 | berzerka | stew, :) i know |
| 09:43.06 | Paddy_EIRE | does anyone have an updated uk / Ireland sources.list |
| 09:44.12 | Keith_S | Any of you guys run a server with large sata drives? |
| 09:44.20 | Paddy_EIRE | oh and is it possible to put Windows XP as the default OS in grub as other ppl use this comp for windose |
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| 09:45.01 | stew | Keith_S: if you have a real question, just ask it |
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| 09:46.05 | ebbs | hi. What does this minus means: "tar xpvf -"? (This is a part of a script.) |
| 09:46.33 | Keith_S | stew: Well I just ordered two raid version SATA from WD one was Dead when it got here clicking and the second failed my bad block test badly. Just wondered is this common with large SATA's? (there 500GB) |
| 09:46.33 | nvz | ebbs: read from stdin |
| 09:46.35 | stew | ebbs: stadin |
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| 09:46.45 | nvz | stew: i win :P |
| 09:46.47 | versuchsanstalt | Paddy_EIRE: have a look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:47.00 | Paddy_EIRE | thx |
| 09:47.13 | stew | Keith_S: ask #hardware |
| 09:47.43 | versuchsanstalt | Paddy_EIRE: change the default, change the timeout if you want and test |
| 09:47.47 | ebbs | so, if it is in a script you can do it like this: "./script.sh hello" and hello replaces the minus? |
| 09:48.55 | karmatronic | ebbs: well you would refer to hello with $1 |
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| 09:49.04 | stew | ebbs: no, as a convoluted example, you could run "cat foo.tar | tar xf -" instead of "tar xf foo.tar" |
| 09:49.08 | nvz | ebbs: or $@ |
| 09:49.30 | ebbs | thank you... |
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| 10:01.22 | Paddy_EIRE | !sources |
| 10:01.22 | dpkg | from memory, sources is /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
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| 10:06.11 | LLcoolM | i have multiple external harddisks (usb). if i launch them at the same time, only the last one ever gets caught by a udev rule (even though they should be assigned completely different device-names. this doesnt happen in case i launch them in 10s intevall. then all is done properly |
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| 10:08.08 | Paddy_EIRE | does anyone know where i can get a complete sources.list file for the uk as im trying to get codecs and java |
| 10:09.54 | tenzing_ | hi ... how can i remove the gnome desktop from my debian machine |
| 10:10.00 | LLcoolM | Paddy_EIRE: java is in non-free and codecs are obtainable from debian-multimedia.org |
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| 10:10.14 | Guerin | tenzing_: /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 10:10.18 | Paddy_EIRE | LLcoolM: how do I eneable non-free |
| 10:10.24 | Paddy_EIRE | *enable |
| 10:10.48 | netrat | hello. i live in japan and have two servers on FTTH or a 100mbps fiber internet connection. one server is running fedora core 5 and the other is running debian 3.1. on my debian box if i'm running the 2.6.8-3-686 kernel the maximum transfer speed i can get is around 300-400KB/s per TCP connection. if open concurrent connections i get a maximum of 3MB/s, but still around 300KB/s each connection. i changed to the 2.4.27-3-686 kernel and my downl |
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| 10:11.36 | LLcoolM | Paddy_EIRE: rtfm |
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| 10:12.06 | tenzing_ | Guerin: thanks |
| 10:12.07 | jonssen | how to use rsync between two machines in a wlan? do i refer to the machine by the hostname or the MAC addr? |
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| 10:12.18 | BlueBeret | my dpkg database is fucked up, what can I do? |
| 10:12.52 | Guerin | jonssen: hostname or ip address - never MAC address |
| 10:13.06 | Guerin | !status |
| 10:13.07 | dpkg | Since Tue Feb 6 12:05:07 2007, there have been 6 modifications, 188 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 52 commands. I have been awake for 22h 7m 59s this session, and currently reference 37136 factoids. I'm using about 14004 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 121.5/6.02 child 0/0 |
| 10:13.09 | Guerin | bah |
| 10:13.12 | Guerin | !status file |
| 10:13.37 | Guerin | BlueBeret: i think you can use dselect to rebuild the status file |
| 10:13.41 | Guerin | i forget how |
| 10:13.46 | jonssen | if i want to transfer dir 'c' fr machine 'a' to machine 'b', would the command be 'rsync a:/c b:/c'? |
| 10:13.49 | concept10 | Is there a way to clean or optimize the dpkg database? (not just apt-get clean) |
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| 10:14.56 | Guerin | jonssen: more or less. You need to read `man rsync'. Note that specifying the source host is unnecessary if you're ON that host. |
| 10:15.18 | jonssen | Guerin: thks for that. |
| 10:15.52 | Guerin | concept10: wtf is `optimise' supposed to mean? |
| 10:16.00 | Guerin | concept10: in this context it makes no sense. |
| 10:16.42 | concept10 | Guerin, optimize = make faster, streamline, clean it, get rid of cruft |
| 10:16.58 | Guerin | concept10: the dpkg database has no cruft, unless it's corrupt. |
| 10:17.08 | concept10 | Reading database ... 183348 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 10:17.26 | Guerin | concept10: if you want that number to go down, uninstall some shit |
| 10:17.28 | concept10 | I have to do me a clean install one day |
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| 10:18.23 | BlueBeret | Guerin: I don't know how you did it, but you did. the mere running of dselect fixed the problem. glory to you :) |
| 10:18.41 | Guerin | BlueBeret: this is why dselect still exists :) |
| 10:19.19 | BlueBeret | lol |
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| 10:21.17 | jonssen | Guerin: when i try to transfer a file fr my current host to another host named 'free1', I get : "ssh: free1: Name or service not known". |
| 10:21.56 | Guerin | jonssen: unless you have /etc/hosts or a nameserver set up, you'll need to do it by ip address |
| 10:23.02 | jonssen | Guerin: ah, that could be it. |
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| 10:24.35 | jonssen | Guerin: i will specify 'free1' in /etc/hosts of my current host. do i have to specify my current host's name in /etc/hosts of 'free1'? |
| 10:25.12 | Guerin | jonssen: not unless you want to do lookups the other way |
| 10:25.22 | jonssen | k, thks. |
| 10:25.22 | Guerin | from free1 to free2, i mean |
| 10:25.41 | pythonic | is there a pool for etch release date? looking at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ i'm picking 1 April. |
| 10:26.07 | Guerin | pythonic: /msg dpkg etch pool |
| 10:26.24 | pythonic | thanks! :-) |
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| 10:26.51 | Guerin | my hopelessly pessimistic pick of my birthday is starting to look realistic |
| 10:27.30 | pythonic | Guerin: december 31st? |
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| 10:30.44 | stoned | oh an |
| 10:30.58 | stoned | hey Guerin when was I last here, could you tell me the time? |
| 10:31.29 | stoned | Guerin: I don't timestamp :/ |
| 10:31.50 | Guerin | stoned: 19:20:10 |
| 10:31.56 | stoned | oh sweet |
| 10:31.58 | Guerin | stoned: NZDT |
| 10:32.07 | stoned | whats that in CST |
| 10:32.10 | stoned | usa |
| 10:32.11 | Guerin | dunno |
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| 10:32.18 | stoned | what are ou gmt wise |
| 10:32.19 | Guerin | it's 23:32:20 now |
| 10:32.20 | stoned | you* |
| 10:32.26 | Guerin | +13 or something |
| 10:32.31 | stoned | ok |
| 10:32.35 | stoned | I just wanna know how long I slept |
| 10:32.43 | Guerin | ~4h |
| 10:32.55 | stoned | from your time I slept from 7:20 to 11:30 |
| 10:32.55 | Guerin | lazy bastard |
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| 10:33.05 | stoned | 4 hours |
| 10:33.07 | pythonic | nzdt! i'm from wellington, in sydney now :-) |
| 10:33.14 | stoned | cool I went to bed at mightniht then I think |
| 10:33.17 | stoned | its 4:30 now |
| 10:33.34 | Guerin | pythonic: you have my condolences. Wellington is the bestest place evar :) |
| 10:33.36 | stoned | I have to go into satan's asshole in the morning |
| 10:33.42 | stoned | thats why I'm up early.. |
| 10:33.46 | Guerin | stoned: make sure you wear protection |
| 10:34.34 | stoned | Guerin: yeh, I'll need it at the DMV |
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| 10:35.34 | stoned | I'm going back to bed soon as I finish this bowl |
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| 10:36.27 | hark | heh, I just got a 'W: Bizarre Error -' with an aptitude update |
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| 10:37.01 | Guerin | hark: funky |
| 10:37.41 | hark | ok, things back to normal now ;) |
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| 10:42.33 | xmb | whats wrong with make-kpkg modules |
| 10:42.37 | xmb | it says |
| 10:42.38 | xmb | The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 10:42.40 | xmb | "" |
| 10:42.46 | xmb | doesnt mastch "2.6.19.2-grsec" |
| 10:42.48 | xmb | what to do |
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| 10:44.14 | fredericogh | Does some bank system exist done in PHP? |
| 10:44.38 | sep | fredericogh, hopefully not |
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| 10:45.20 | fredericogh | because? |
| 10:46.26 | fredericogh | sep: |
| 10:46.36 | sep | php lures the author into writing insecure code. it's just too easy writing code with holes. |
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| 10:47.19 | capiira | yeah and php does not support hardware so good like java, i mean to control them |
| 10:47.20 | Tallu | well, it's kind of easy to write insecure code with anything! |
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| 10:48.00 | vydd | hi all.....how do I setup sound for adobe flash player 9? (I've tried /etc/firefox/firefox DSP="aoss" thing, and the weird esound thing....sound IS working, but not when some other thing is playing) |
| 10:48.04 | sep | Tallu, most other tools dont make writing secure code so difficult |
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| 10:49.04 | L|NUX | hello |
| 10:49.07 | L|NUX | any one arround ? |
| 10:49.21 | Ronin | best just ask your questions and be patient L|NUX |
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| 10:49.35 | santibiotico | hi |
| 10:50.24 | santibiotico | i'm using nload to get traffic statistics...but i'd like to get them through an stdout output in order to treat them with a script and build graphics |
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| 10:50.47 | santibiotico | does anybody know how to get the data through stdout instead of having the nload screen? |
| 10:51.14 | Tallu | sep: hehe i wouldnt know. havent done much in php, but i havent had trouble securing the code. i have to agree it does take a bit more effort though |
| 10:51.26 | Tallu | sep: i usually do my programming in java though |
| 10:52.08 | olsen | will direct rendering be turned on by default on my intel graphics card? |
| 10:52.11 | olsen | with xorg |
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| 10:52.31 | olsen | if i have load "dri" in xorg.conf, etc |
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| 10:53.08 | jethro | which version of debootstrap is one supposed to use to debootstrap sid? because the sid script of the one in sarge refers to packages no longer existing in sid, and I wonder how many times I'll have to update it :) |
| 10:53.22 | stoned | ahh man fuck |
| 10:53.28 | stoned | I can't go back to sleep now |
| 10:53.46 | santibiotico | any idea of reading values from shell commands changing all the time, like top or nload??? |
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| 10:54.19 | petemc | santibiotico: while : ; do top ; sleep 2 ; done |
| 10:54.25 | stoned | santibiotico: what now |
| 10:54.33 | petemc | not sure how useful that is |
| 10:55.16 | stoned | stoned@laptop 0.00 /home/stoned 11 files using 9.8M |
| 10:55.22 | stoned | 0.00 = cpu load |
| 10:55.29 | stoned | then pwd |
| 10:55.38 | stoned | then number of files in the dir and how much space they take |
| 10:55.42 | stoned | I love my prompt |
| 10:55.44 | stoned | :D |
| 10:55.46 | vydd | hm.....debian+flash9+alsa sound anyone? |
| 10:55.54 | stoned | right here! |
| 10:55.58 | stoned | works find |
| 10:56.00 | mic_p | Hi to all, a question about kernel compile. Ok, this isn't a real debian question, but.. :). I'm making some tries to modify a modules source (usb/net/asix.c) and I want to compile it, but I don't want to compile the whole kernel every time. I can I do it? Thanks! |
| 10:56.10 | stoned | vydd: yessireebob |
| 10:56.29 | vydd | stoned, ? |
| 10:56.43 | stoned | vydd: you should ask a more meaningful question |
| 10:56.51 | stoned | !ask |
| 10:56.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:56.56 | vydd | well, I've asked |
| 10:57.09 | vydd | [11:48] vydd hi all.....how do I setup sound for adobe flash player 9? (I've tried /etc/firefox/firefox DSP="aoss" thing, and the weird esound thing....sound IS working, but not when some other thing is playing) |
| 10:57.27 | stoned | vydd: first of all |
| 10:57.36 | stoned | with alsa you don't need an external sound server |
| 10:57.53 | stoned | remove esound/arts/ blah blah as latest alsa has dmix enabled by default |
| 10:58.04 | stoned | secondly you don't need the OSS line in there |
| 10:58.06 | Guerin | vydd: flash only works with alsa. No oss, no sound servers. They won't work. |
| 10:58.24 | Guerin | this is but one of the fucktarded things about it |
| 10:58.37 | stoned | Guerin: I don't use anything but alsa anyway |
| 10:58.44 | stoned | I always keep arts/kde turned off too |
| 10:58.50 | Guerin | stoned: but wouldn't it be nice if you could? |
| 10:58.51 | stoned | software mixing is great yo |
| 10:58.53 | stoned | !dmix |
| 10:58.54 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 10:58.58 | stoned | Guerin: I suppose |
| 10:59.03 | stoned | Guerin: depending on the needs |
| 10:59.06 | stoned | vydd: ^^ |
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| 10:59.26 | Guerin | stoned: well, the point's moot for me, since I don't use crash |
| 10:59.28 | stoned | you also don't need asound.conf with alsa > 0.9.1 I believe |
| 10:59.33 | stoned | not quite positive as I can't recall |
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| 11:03.39 | stoned | hey |
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| 11:03.50 | stoned | this is a lame-o question |
| 11:04.16 | stoned | I have Xnested Xgl window from Xorg and I can't copy/paste between the two |
| 11:04.23 | stoned | whats the tool to enable that |
| 11:04.33 | stoned | xcut something |
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| 11:06.50 | kasper | hello every one |
| 11:07.02 | stoned | anyone |
| 11:07.25 | kasper | how can i open a tar.gz file? |
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| 11:08.07 | tarzeau | does someone have got an s/390? |
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| 11:08.29 | scx | how do I kill a zomby ? |
| 11:08.30 | stoned | man tar |
| 11:08.33 | stoned | !ppid |
| 11:08.33 | dpkg | from memory, ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 11:08.37 | tarzeau | scx: you can't. man ps |
| 11:08.38 | cydork | scx: you cant |
| 11:08.42 | stoned | scx: look up |
| 11:08.48 | stoned | you can kill zombies by killing the parent process |
| 11:08.50 | scx | I'm stoned |
| 11:08.51 | stoned | otherwise you can't |
| 11:09.11 | scx | why? |
| 11:09.25 | stoned | read abotu Z(ombie) processes |
| 11:09.32 | stoned | I don't know the technicalities behind it |
| 11:09.48 | scx | ok, googleing... |
| 11:09.52 | stoned | kasper: tar zxvf blah.tar.gz |
| 11:09.55 | stoned | kasper: man tar |
| 11:10.25 | stoned | scx: also dpkg just said how to find the parent's process id |
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| 11:10.45 | stoned | scx: if you can afford to kill the parent process, do it |
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| 11:10.48 | scx | ah, yes |
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| 11:10.59 | scx | but somethimes not even killing parental |
| 11:11.00 | stoned | scx: thats why I said look up |
| 11:11.14 | stoned | scx: seems to have worked here every time |
| 11:11.27 | karmatronic | stoned:always blaming the parents .... |
| 11:11.34 | stoned | not at all |
| 11:11.37 | stoned | my folks are awesoe |
| 11:11.40 | stoned | awesome* |
| 11:11.40 | karmatronic | stoned: for making a zombie out of you |
| 11:11.45 | stoned | lol |
| 11:11.45 | karmatronic | :) |
| 11:11.50 | EdwardElric | man 2 wait |
| 11:11.59 | EdwardElric | explains how zombies come about |
| 11:12.05 | scx | stoned: and sometimes there's no parental process, unless you mean init :p |
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| 11:12.23 | stoned | scx: ouch |
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| 11:12.29 | stoned | EdwardElric: no dice |
| 11:12.44 | stoned | no man entry for wait |
| 11:12.55 | stoned | no package containing the term *wait* |
| 11:13.26 | EdwardElric | wait.h |
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| 11:14.20 | stoned | I see |
| 11:14.32 | EdwardElric | if the parent process doesnt reap its finished child process, it results in a zombie |
| 11:14.47 | vaq | Do i need to patch my kernel with patch_o_magic from netfilter before i can use iptables connlimit? (Kernel ver. 2.6.17) |
| 11:14.51 | stoned | so the wait system call is sent to the parent stating child is dead |
| 11:15.09 | stoned | and somehow the parent ignores the system call |
| 11:15.24 | stoned | and the process is left in the process table even after being ended |
| 11:15.35 | EdwardElric | basicly |
| 11:15.38 | stoned | EdwardElric: so what happens to the zombie processe's resources |
| 11:15.41 | scx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie_process |
| 11:15.45 | stoned | are they still unallocated |
| 11:16.06 | scx | I guess |
| 11:16.10 | EdwardElric | as far as i know, the zombies only use a process id |
| 11:16.20 | EdwardElric | though i could be wrong |
| 11:16.25 | EdwardElric | not an expert here lol |
| 11:16.43 | scx | stoned: When a process ends, all of the memory and resources associated with it are deallocated |
| 11:16.54 | stoned | ahh well |
| 11:16.57 | stoned | good old wikipedia eh |
| 11:16.57 | stoned | hehe |
| 11:17.01 | scx | according to wiki |
| 11:17.17 | scx | EdwardElric: ver well |
| 11:17.34 | stoned | debian-administration.org/articles/261 |
| 11:17.40 | stoned | scx: take a peek there |
| 11:18.50 | stoned | dendrite: btw, thanks, I'm enjoying the fuck outta some strace |
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| 11:19.37 | EdwardElric | strace is awesome ! |
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| 11:20.49 | stoned | EdwardElric: can't you issue call wait(ppid) |
| 11:20.51 | stoned | again |
| 11:20.57 | stoned | see if the ppid will let the child go? |
| 11:21.17 | EdwardElric | you need to make the parent do it... |
| 11:21.29 | EdwardElric | i believe |
| 11:21.32 | stoned | yeh |
| 11:21.43 | stoned | so you send the wait system call again to the parent |
| 11:21.49 | stoned | no? |
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| 11:23.23 | stoned | man I love this beryl cube |
| 11:23.26 | stoned | its sweet! |
| 11:23.29 | EdwardElric | To remove zombies from a system, the SIGCHLD signal can be sent to the parent manually, using the kill command. If the parent process still refuses to reap the zombie, the next step would be to remove the parent process. When a process loses its parent, init becomes its new parent. Init periodically executes the wait system call to reap any zombies with init as parent. |
| 11:23.32 | EdwardElric | hehe |
| 11:23.47 | EdwardElric | kill -CHLD ppid |
| 11:23.58 | stoned | yes well if you don't want to do that |
| 11:24.08 | stoned | can't you ask the parent nicely |
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| 11:24.28 | EdwardElric | thats the signal that the child process uses |
| 11:24.58 | scx | childs parents, adoptions, are there marriages divorces and such? |
| 11:25.06 | EdwardElric | haha |
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| 11:25.22 | scx | do the child needs parent authorization to run in late hours? |
| 11:25.35 | stoned | child is dead |
| 11:25.40 | stoned | he can do what he wants |
| 11:25.55 | stoned | or its the undead |
| 11:26.18 | stoned | I think if you intall some package called funny man pages |
| 11:26.22 | stoned | you will find man woman |
| 11:26.24 | stoned | hehe |
| 11:27.05 | stoned | hmm |
| 11:27.11 | stoned | I thought you got woman |
| 11:27.12 | stoned | nm |
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| 11:27.53 | stoned | EdwardElric: scx: aptitude install funny-manpages && man baby |
| 11:27.54 | EdwardElric | i kind of remember reading a method to get rid of Zombies using gdb attaching to the ppid...i cant remember the details though |
| 11:28.01 | stoned | baby — create new process from two parents |
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| 11:28.09 | stoned | SYNOPSIS baby -sex [m|f] [-name name] |
| 11:28.14 | EdwardElric | lol |
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| 11:28.46 | stoned | BUGS |
| 11:28.47 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.51 | scx | $ man woman |
| 11:28.51 | stoned | lol |
| 11:28.52 | scx | $ segmentation fault {core dumped} |
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| 11:29.10 | EdwardElric | haha |
| 11:29.18 | stoned | after you install the funnies |
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| 11:29.24 | stoned | list funny-manpages |
| 11:29.27 | stoned | er.. dpkg -L |
| 11:29.36 | stoned | then look at rtfm and condom |
| 11:29.37 | stoned | lol |
| 11:29.38 | stoned | hilarious |
| 11:29.52 | stoned | man fgrope |
| 11:30.41 | stoned | but relevant to our zombie parent chid discussion |
| 11:30.43 | stoned | man baby |
| 11:30.45 | stoned | thats the best |
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| 11:32.38 | EdwardElric | condom - protection against viruses and prevention of child processes |
| 11:32.40 | EdwardElric | heheh |
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| 11:34.13 | scx | sleep -h 8 scx |
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| 11:34.23 | scx | lol |
| 11:34.39 | A-jay | yo |
| 11:34.47 | A-jay | wassup |
| 11:35.38 | rpc | lol EdwardElric |
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| 11:36.11 | A-jay | so what's ha |
| 11:36.20 | A-jay | ppening |
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| 11:38.13 | raj | how to find files old than 5 day and move to other folder |
| 11:39.16 | Guerin | raj: man find |
| 11:39.46 | raj | Guerin: find . -mtime +10 -exec |
| 11:39.55 | raj | how to move |
| 11:40.19 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.46 | scx | find . -mtime +10 -exec | rm |
| 11:40.57 | scx | oops |
| 11:41.04 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.23 | petemc | missed a quote there |
| 11:42.22 | Guerin | raj: xargs |
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| 11:42.44 | raj | Guerin: can u give me syntax |
| 11:43.11 | Guerin | raj: no |
| 11:43.28 | raj | any way thanks |
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| 11:59.21 | vydd | stoned, hm...sorry to bother you, um. I still have problems with alsa: I can play 2+ songs at the same time using mplayer, but not with xmms |
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| 12:05.06 | VonWarlock | anyone know about etch release |
| 12:05.07 | VonWarlock | ? |
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| 12:05.22 | pngwn | VonWarlock, topic |
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| 12:05.34 | VonWarlock | ? |
| 12:06.06 | pngwn | VonWarlock, type /topic |
| 12:06.12 | VonWarlock | ok |
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| 12:14.11 | man_in_shack | must remember to keep more packages up-to-date 8) |
| 12:14.22 | man_in_shack | make-kpkg as an example hehe |
| 12:14.27 | man_in_shack | i mean kernel-package |
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| 12:15.32 | Toastie_ | How can I get a list of available contexts from an SELinux system? |
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| 12:17.06 | perlmonk | Hi everyone |
| 12:17.31 | perlmonk | Is it just me or there's some bug in the "man" command (etch) ? man -k fstab finds nothing.... |
| 12:17.45 | perlmonk | This just works fine with fbsd.... |
| 12:18.14 | perlmonk | Same for "man -k ls" |
| 12:18.23 | perlmonk | I guess this is broken.... right ? |
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| 12:24.23 | thomas__ | is 2.6.20 with debian ? |
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| 12:25.44 | pngwn | VonWarlock, type /topic |
| 12:26.21 | scx | is this a troll channel? |
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| 12:29.06 | perlmonk | Failed to fetch http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release Unable to find expected entry non-clee/binary-i386/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 12:29.44 | perlmonk | Hum, same with the mirror in brasil.... might be me... Just I dono how it would.... trying US server... |
| 12:31.03 | cydork | non-clee? |
| 12:31.35 | cydork | Thms: not yet. i dont think 2.6.19 is unstable yet. |
| 12:31.47 | cydork | s/is/is in/ |
| 12:32.34 | perlmonk | Well, sounds like it's my computer |
| 12:32.44 | perlmonk | Anyone might be able to help on this please ? |
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| 12:33.03 | cydork | perlmonk: non-clee?? |
| 12:33.30 | perlmonk | neevrmind |
| 12:33.34 | perlmonk | I found the issue |
| 12:33.44 | perlmonk | It's a stupidity of mine |
| 12:33.49 | perlmonk | I use non-free |
| 12:33.51 | Thms | okay cyberdo |
| 12:33.56 | Thms | cydork* |
| 12:34.07 | perlmonk | and the brazilian mirror was unreachable, as usual having issues |
| 12:34.19 | perlmonk | so I changed "br" to "fr" |
| 12:34.42 | perlmonk | then fr to cl (closer from chile than france...) |
| 12:34.51 | perlmonk | and it changed free to clee |
| 12:34.57 | perlmonk | :) |
| 12:34.58 | perlmonk | thanks |
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| 12:45.12 | christopherl | whats the command for moving a folders content to another folder? |
| 12:45.23 | scx | to build a Win exe is C++ crap right? |
| 12:45.28 | scx | just compiling |
| 12:45.29 | psyche__ | scx yep |
| 12:45.43 | kombi | tar xfz say "file not found" on every file, what is wrong? |
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| 12:45.43 | rpc | hmm is is true that there are networking issues with qemu? |
| 12:45.45 | psyche__ | christopherl cp |
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| 12:47.51 | christopherl | psyche__: mv /folder/* . /folder2/, is that right if I only want to move folder contents? |
| 12:48.03 | christopherl | to folder2 |
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| 12:49.26 | kombi | kombi_: you are not root, damnit! ;) |
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| 12:50.15 | VonWarlock | anyone use request tracker software for trouble ticket system? |
| 12:50.33 | VonWarlock | anyone knows one irc channel for rt? |
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| 12:54.05 | tarzeau | VonWarlock: i'm a user of one |
| 12:54.58 | VonWarlock | tarzeau: good .... |
| 12:55.48 | VonWarlock | tarzeau: you know if i can link one customField to another |
| 12:55.48 | tarzeau | i'm not particularly fond of it |
| 12:56.16 | tarzeau | VonWarlock: no idea, i'm just a user |
| 12:56.52 | VonWarlock | tarzeau: eg. i had 2 cf's, building and floor.... i want open respective floor for one bilding |
| 12:56.53 | VonWarlock | ok |
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| 13:05.30 | stoned | man |
| 13:05.52 | stoned | I have to go to the DMV and I don't want to. I know it going to be a miserable and horrible experience |
| 13:06.10 | stoned | last time I went to the DMV was to get my license renewed. Took 3 hours |
| 13:07.10 | Koos | good luck then :P |
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| 13:07.19 | dorel__ | hmm, if I install debian-installer-etch with the first full cd (rather than the netinstall) would it require the other cd sets? |
| 13:07.29 | VonWarlock | i want one html editor better than quanta. i need edit some asp pages |
| 13:07.34 | tarzeau | dorel__: no |
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| 13:07.53 | dorel__ | k cool |
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| 13:11.46 | abhinay | hi * |
| 13:11.55 | VonWarlock | hi |
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| 13:14.27 | scx | should trolls be kicked banned or just ignored |
| 13:14.41 | scx | or should I access by ssh and rm -rf |
| 13:14.43 | scx | ? |
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| 13:15.37 | Ronin | scx: pardon? |
| 13:16.06 | scx | ignore me, just I'm sick of trolls ... |
| 13:16.17 | scx | had to take it out of the chest |
| 13:16.27 | Ronin | best stay off irc then :) |
| 13:16.51 | scx | well not all are trolls |
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| 13:17.06 | scx | but they come in groups |
| 13:17.37 | scx | and then you suddenly get 3 or 4 of those |
| 13:17.43 | scx | anyway... |
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| 13:27.16 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all. |
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| 13:28.23 | VonWarlock | anapivirtua: hi |
| 13:28.25 | LOLZebra | hey |
| 13:28.26 | _diz | sup |
| 13:28.27 | VonWarlock | blz |
| 13:28.30 | str4 | hello |
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| 13:30.12 | scx | a dumb question: how do I customize the 404 page? |
| 13:30.19 | scx | \\apache I mean |
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| 13:32.47 | RichiH | scx: http://www.google.com/search?q=customize+404+apache&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 13:32.52 | Ronin | http://webdesign.about.com/od/apache/ht/ht404apache.htm |
| 13:32.56 | Ronin | for scx |
| 13:33.07 | scx | sure |
| 13:33.09 | scx | :p |
| 13:33.12 | RichiH | scx: see where i am hinting at? ;) |
| 13:33.23 | RichiH | put your trivial question into google at least once ;) |
| 13:33.29 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:33.33 | scx | medice curate ipsum |
| 13:34.11 | Ronin | sarcasm on: but RichiH that takes too much effort, its much easier to have others do my legwork ;) |
| 13:34.12 | RichiH | what does that mean? |
| 13:34.23 | RichiH | !be google barby |
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| 13:34.49 | RichiH | hrm |
| 13:34.53 | scx | is latin means: doctor cure yourself |
| 13:34.53 | RichiH | !be google barbie |
| 13:34.54 | dpkg | google is hard! |
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| 13:35.20 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:35.25 | scv | hi |
| 13:35.43 | scv | what's new today? |
| 13:35.46 | DexterF | does debian have a patched midnight commander to support utf8? |
| 13:35.46 | scx | scv: are you my cousin? |
| 13:35.53 | scv | ??? |
| 13:35.58 | scv | hahaha |
| 13:35.58 | RichiH | heh |
| 13:36.00 | scv | ic |
| 13:36.02 | RichiH | i wondered as much |
| 13:36.15 | stoned | hah |
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| 13:36.35 | mariuss | hi, in kcontrol the keyboard layout list is empty, why would that be? |
| 13:36.40 | stoned | i used to foncuse asg and sng |
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| 13:36.45 | mariuss | running sarge |
| 13:36.49 | stoned | I also used to confuse nvz and nvs |
| 13:36.52 | stoned | I wonder |
| 13:36.57 | stoned | !seen nvs |
| 13:36.58 | dpkg | nvs <~colin@cwv.tor.istop.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 820d 15h 11m 31s ago, saying: 't_aquinas: If you're using a router, they can be configured separately.'. |
| 13:37.07 | stoned | whoah 802 days |
| 13:37.07 | scx | scv: nope, running since 2003 |
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| 13:37.22 | scv | scx, oh, sorry |
| 13:37.22 | stoned | !seen sng |
| 13:37.23 | dpkg | sng <n=sng@unaffiliated/scarynetworkguy> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 45d 20h 36m 19s ago, saying: 'Logitech trackballs, ftw.'. |
| 13:37.28 | RichiH | hmm, i have just realized a rather interesting exploit for out trusty dpkg |
| 13:37.31 | stoned | ahh well |
| 13:37.40 | stoned | hmm |
| 13:37.42 | RichiH | !be my pant python barbie |
| 13:37.43 | dpkg | my pant python is hard! |
| 13:37.43 | stoned | RichiH: share |
| 13:38.06 | RichiH | @be mine too, is barbie |
| 13:38.08 | ravenbird | RichiH: okay |
| 13:38.10 | stoned | RichiH: what did you discover, and have you found fixes? |
| 13:38.18 | scv | how old is debian this year? |
| 13:38.19 | RichiH | oh, ravenbird |
| 13:38.21 | RichiH | hrm |
| 13:38.30 | stoned | !history |
| 13:38.30 | dpkg | methinks history is old and boring or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ or ask me about <release history> for the reader's digest condensed version |
| 13:38.31 | RichiH | stoned: see above |
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| 13:38.41 | stoned | oh you mean the bot |
| 13:38.46 | RichiH | stoned: the pant python |
| 13:38.48 | RichiH | yes, indeed |
| 13:38.54 | stoned | I thought you meant dpkg as in the dpkg wrapper |
| 13:38.55 | stoned | heh |
| 13:39.11 | RichiH | dpkg as in the blootbot that superceeded apt as the main channel bot |
| 13:39.19 | RichiH | though nowadays, noone uses it, anyway |
| 13:39.39 | scv | I think dpkg is the smartest bot on the freenet |
| 13:39.55 | scx | definetely |
| 13:40.19 | stoned | I see |
| 13:40.21 | scx | it made me restart using perl |
| 13:40.27 | stoned | well apt is no more maintained afaict |
| 13:40.38 | stoned | riker hasn't been around in a long time |
| 13:41.26 | buscon | Hi, does anyone knows how to extract an audio track from an .mp4 file? |
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| 13:42.07 | scv | who is the oldest face on #debian@freenode? |
| 13:42.07 | stoned | scv: why do you care? |
| 13:42.07 | scx | debhelper |
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| 13:42.13 | scv | just courous |
| 13:42.13 | RichiH | scv: oldest bot or person? |
| 13:42.39 | scv | curious |
| 13:42.39 | scv | both |
| 13:42.39 | sss111 | what is the proper syntax to backup "/abc1 , /abc2 , /abc3" directories in tape drive, tape is "/dev/rmt/rtape" |
| 13:42.52 | scv | is roger55 here? |
| 13:42.54 | dr1v3r | guys how can i remote view into a box? what package will i need? |
| 13:44.03 | RichiH | !seen roger55 |
| 13:44.04 | dpkg | roger55 <~roger@roger55.developer.gentoo> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 588d 14h 42m 33s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 13:44.05 | scx | vnc yopu mean? |
| 13:44.11 | dr1v3r | yea vnc |
| 13:44.26 | jonssen | trying to use rsync to transfer fr one host to another, both on a wlan. got "ssh: ... :connection refused". i can ping the dest fr the source. what could be wrong? |
| 13:44.28 | scv | ... |
| 13:44.30 | RichiH | Fr0Gs: are you a bot or human? |
| 13:44.31 | stoned | ahh |
| 13:44.32 | scx | WOW! |
| 13:44.41 | scx | !dpkg |
| 13:44.43 | stoned | I was wondering |
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| 13:44.52 | stoned | RichiH: are you bored much buddy :) |
| 13:44.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:44.55 | RichiH | Fr0Gs: please note that channel bots that react on any sigils taken up by other bots are not allowed |
| 13:44.57 | scx | that bot amazes me |
| 13:45.18 | RichiH | stoned: not really, no |
| 13:45.21 | stoned | hehe |
| 13:45.30 | sss111 | no one knows? |
| 13:45.40 | stoned | I am sorry bro I don't know |
| 13:45.43 | stoned | I don't mess with tape drives |
| 13:45.46 | stoned | I'm a desktop user |
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| 13:46.28 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | hi i have a debian box with k 2.6.x i want to install to test somehing k 2.4 have this error |
| 13:46.31 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | E: Package kernel-image-2.4 has no installation candidate |
| 13:46.33 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | any idea? |
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| 13:46.47 | tarzeau | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: etch ? |
| 13:46.51 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | yep |
| 13:46.58 | jonssen | no one here uses rsync in wlan? |
| 13:46.58 | tarzeau | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: debian doesn't have 2.4 kernels anymore with etch |
| 13:47.04 | tarzeau | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: you can get one from www.kernel.org though |
| 13:47.05 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | then? |
| 13:47.13 | stoned | isn't that like satanic or something |
| 13:47.21 | stoned | shem ham forash |
| 13:47.33 | tarzeau | jonssen: why? i use rsync, but i don't have wlan |
| 13:47.43 | stoned | EL Diablo! |
| 13:47.45 | stoned | muuahaha |
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| 13:47.50 | Roey | RichiH: hi! How do I get a list of dpkg's isms that people always mention here? (not /msg dpkg help) |
| 13:47.51 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | tarzeau: are you used ltsp ? |
| 13:47.57 | tarzeau | sh3mh4mf0r4sh: no |
| 13:48.00 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | ok |
| 13:48.01 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | thanxs |
| 13:48.02 | stoned | Roey: isms? |
| 13:48.06 | Doat | lord of terror |
| 13:48.15 | Ronin | yes Doat ? |
| 13:48.24 | jonssen | tarzeau: trying to use rsync to transfer fr one host to another, both on a wlan. got "ssh: ... :connection refused". i can ping the dest fr the source. what could be wrong? |
| 13:48.27 | Roey | stoned: you know, those "tell so-and-so about that", etc. |
| 13:48.32 | Roey | tell roey about wikipedia |
| 13:48.38 | stoned | Roey: /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 13:48.40 | Roey | !tell roey about wikipedia |
| 13:48.41 | RichiH | Roey: isms? |
| 13:48.43 | Roey | stoned: ah, thanks |
| 13:48.52 | stoned | Roey: read the wiki page |
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| 13:49.01 | Doat | please die |
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| 13:49.10 | Roey | stoned: am doing it now, thanks |
| 13:49.12 | Roey | Doat: what's up? |
| 13:49.13 | RichiH | Roey: well, anything you can do as !foo in channel, you can do as !tell bar about foo in private |
| 13:49.23 | RichiH | or you can /msg dpkg tell bar about foo |
| 13:49.24 | stoned | I have yet to add how to add remove and fix factoids |
| 13:49.37 | RichiH | Doat: ? |
| 13:49.47 | stoned | Roey: !tell blah -about blah doesn't make dpkg copy the msg to you |
| 13:49.48 | Roey | RichiH: ok |
| 13:49.59 | Roey | stoned: I was giving an example |
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| 13:50.19 | stoned | Roey: no I mean use -about instead of about if you want |
| 13:50.20 | Roey | stoned: I've been looking at dpkg privately for a few minutes anyhow |
| 13:50.27 | Roey | stoned: aahh |
| 13:50.41 | stoned | -minus sign makes dpkg shut the fuck up |
| 13:50.43 | stoned | pretty much |
| 13:50.51 | Ronin | Doat: dont plan on dieing just yet, thanks though |
| 13:50.52 | stoned | you can also tell dpkg to tell someone something in msg |
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| 13:51.04 | stoned | like /msg dpkg tell Ronin -about stoned |
| 13:51.12 | stoned | so really you don't have to do !tell here in the channel at all |
| 13:52.20 | VonWarlock | my firefox doesnt play mid sounds. how can i fix that |
| 13:52.52 | scv | VonWarlock, can ff play mid music? |
| 13:52.59 | tarzeau | midi? |
| 13:53.22 | tarzeau | internet explorer can play them! |
| 13:53.39 | scv | he needs a plug-in something |
| 13:53.41 | tarzeau | VonWarlock: timidity and opencubicplayer can play them |
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| 13:54.13 | scv | I don't care... cause flash is the future~~~ |
| 13:54.24 | Roey | !kleenex elf |
| 13:54.24 | dpkg | methinks kleenex elf is the small guy who pushes up the next tissue when you pull one from the top |
| 13:54.33 | Roey | hmmf, cute :) |
| 13:54.44 | Roey | tarzeau: what is opencubicplayer? |
| 13:54.52 | Roey | !tell roey -about opencubicplayer |
| 13:54.57 | Roey | stoned: thanks :) |
| 13:55.00 | tarzeau | Roey: a music file player with many different graphical and text mode visualizations |
| 13:55.10 | Roey | hmm. Nice. |
| 13:55.10 | Roey | gtk? |
| 13:55.18 | tarzeau | Roey: no, textmode and x |
| 13:55.40 | Roey | tarzeau: I hope that htere is some sort of plugin in the works for Amarok that would enable playback of NSF and SPC files. |
| 13:55.58 | VonWarlock | tarzeau: i had one player but on my firefox doesn't ork |
| 13:56.02 | tarzeau | Roey: do you have your NSF and SPC file collection online? |
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| 13:56.09 | Roey | yes actually |
| 13:56.09 | tarzeau | VonWarlock: which? |
| 13:56.11 | Roey | chiptunes |
| 13:56.13 | Roey | lots of them |
| 13:56.18 | tarzeau | Roey: you run chiptunes.com ? |
| 13:56.25 | Roey | tarzeau: online meaning on my computer, sorry, not the net |
| 13:56.29 | Roey | tarzeau: no I do not run it |
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| 13:56.45 | Roey | tarzeau: I just like the nostalgic sound of NSF |
| 13:56.51 | tarzeau | Roey: ocp plays a wide variety of adlib tunes and also sid |
| 13:56.53 | Roey | er, the NES' sound system |
| 13:56.55 | Roey | ocp |
| 13:56.56 | Roey | hmm |
| 13:57.05 | tarzeau | Roey: bug mw| in #ocp to support SPC and NSF :) |
| 13:57.08 | Roey | what do you mean, adlib tunes and sid? |
| 13:57.12 | Roey | tarzeau: hehe :) |
| 13:57.13 | Roey | ok |
| 13:57.25 | tarzeau | Roey: sid tunes and hsp,hsc,rad etc |
| 13:57.26 | Roey | tarzeau: it would be REALLY great if I could pipe its output to a .wav or .flac |
| 13:57.32 | Roey | (what's sid?) |
| 13:57.41 | tarzeau | Roey: you can render them to wav, but not pipe it yet... but ask for it? |
| 13:57.44 | tarzeau | Roey: c-64 sid tunes? |
| 13:57.49 | Roey | oh, those |
| 13:57.50 | Roey | alright |
| 13:57.58 | Roey | (I didn't have a c-64, it was before my time :") |
| 13:58.10 | tarzeau | Roey: same here |
| 13:58.18 | Roey | (well, I remember the commmercials for it, but I was around.. 7 or 8 at the time |
| 13:58.18 | Roey | ) |
| 13:58.22 | scv | my pc can play c-64 sid files |
| 13:58.25 | Roey | neat |
| 13:58.33 | Roey | tarzeau, thanks for the link |
| 13:58.34 | Roey | er |
| 13:58.37 | Roey | channel |
| 13:58.39 | Eulex | sidplay2 |
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| 13:58.56 | scv | is there any sid fan here? |
| 13:58.58 | tarzeau | Eulex: it had a bug for quite some time (plays too fast) |
| 13:59.05 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 13:59.11 | scv | hi |
| 13:59.16 | tarzeau | Eulex: can you fast forward in it? |
| 13:59.28 | tarzeau | or that was with sidplay1, i don't remember |
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| 14:00.03 | Eulex | tarzeau, yes, I noticed that bug. was a problem when compiling with gcc 4.0. dunno if you can fast forward with it. |
| 14:00.08 | ^rob^ | I just compilled 2.6.20 - when I am trying to make mkinitrd image - i get this err: /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: /dev/mapper/alina-swap: Kernel does not support LVM -- but i have LVM in kernel - |
| 14:00.48 | ^rob^ | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.20 2.6.20 |
| 14:00.53 | tarzeau | Eulex, Roey here's a screenshot: http://gnu.ethz.ch/ocp1.png |
| 14:01.09 | Eulex | tarzeau, oh, that's nice |
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| 14:02.14 | ^rob^ | ?? |
| 14:02.19 | ^rob^ | anyone use 2.6.20 here/. |
| 14:02.21 | ^rob^ | ?? |
| 14:02.33 | tarzeau | rob: yes i do |
| 14:02.50 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: do you use also lvm ? |
| 14:02.57 | tarzeau | rob: no |
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| 14:03.18 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: np - do you use yaird or mkinitrd? |
| 14:03.25 | ix | asking for people who use x or y is pointless. |
| 14:03.34 | ^rob^ | ix: why? |
| 14:03.42 | tarzeau | rob: i use make-kpkg to make the package without initrd: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/linux-2.6.20/ |
| 14:03.52 | tarzeau | rob: i have no idea about yaird |
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| 14:04.20 | ix | "HI do you use APPLICATION??!" doesn't say anything about your problem. |
| 14:04.42 | ix | (and, yes, I saw you asked a full question earlier) |
| 14:04.49 | ^rob^ | ix: open your eyes pls - read above - i've tould my problem. |
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| 14:05.10 | ma3x | where can I get winetools as a package |
| 14:05.11 | ix | please open yours too, I already stated I read that. |
| 14:05.25 | ^rob^ | ix: i simply wanted to know where am i wrong - and if someone use what i do - if so - he might can help me |
| 14:05.53 | ix | then he would have spotted your question and tried to answer it. |
| 14:05.56 | ix | right? |
| 14:06.15 | ^rob^ | ix: don't just say nonsense words - help people - learn not just to fingerpoint pls. |
| 14:06.26 | ix | *sighs* |
| 14:06.37 | ^rob^ | (16:01:40) ix: asking for people who use x or y is pointless. |
| 14:06.37 | ix | anyway, are you sure you need an initrd-image? |
| 14:06.46 | ^rob^ | this is your first line. |
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| 14:06.56 | ix | interesting. |
| 14:07.14 | ^rob^ | ix: hmm - good question. |
| 14:07.46 | ^rob^ | tarzeau: i'll go to that link - ty. |
| 14:08.12 | ix | ^rob^: If you compile every driver you need to boot into the kernel (RAID/LVM, file system, hard drive controller), you wouldn't need one. |
| 14:08.22 | ix | problem solved. |
| 14:08.33 | ^rob^ | ix: i want to use this kernel on several pc's |
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| 14:08.44 | ^rob^ | ix: there's 23 different architecture here. |
| 14:08.50 | ix | then compile support for all the different controllers. |
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| 14:09.25 | ^rob^ | ix: i need kernel > 2.6.18 because of the A4tech usb camera - the driver works only from > 2.6.19 |
| 14:10.26 | ix | Understandable. Then, a solution would be to compile the kernel with support for all the different architectures. |
| 14:10.45 | Eulex | tarzeau, what library does it use to play mods? or does it use its own? |
| 14:10.50 | ^rob^ | and care less about initrd |
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| 14:10.56 | ix | yup. |
| 14:11.01 | tarzeau | Eulex: for most it has its own, also for mp3 |
| 14:11.04 | ix | they have to have the same class of CPU, though. |
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| 14:11.25 | tarzeau | Eulex: otherwise it's using adplug (adlib tunes), and vorbis (ogg), sid (sidplay1) |
| 14:11.32 | ix | (or you could go with a generic 386-or-similar kernel) |
| 14:11.36 | ^rob^ | ok - i'll reboot my kernel then |
| 14:11.59 | tarzeau | Eulex: the mixers for the mods are pretty good (original cubic player, later open cubic player, and now improved) |
| 14:12.05 | ^rob^ | ix: i can't use generic. because of the damn 14 camera |
| 14:12.11 | ^rob^ | A4 - sorry |
| 14:12.14 | tarzeau | Eulex: with some testset .it tracks (the ones from schism), some tracks from kq.. |
| 14:12.19 | ^rob^ | they bought 24 a4 camera's here |
| 14:12.30 | foc | hi why my deb doesn't let me use my usb card reader ? mean lsusb says it is present bu i dom't find a /dev to mount it |
| 14:12.34 | tarzeau | Eulex: if you find anything played wrong, or not played, the developer is very glad to get your files and fix them |
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| 14:12.58 | ^rob^ | my mission is to make them usable. - or else they-re gonna switch to xp - which is a nightmare to me. |
| 14:13.01 | naitram | anyone know of a free tar repair tool. |
| 14:13.01 | Eulex | tarzeau, ok |
| 14:13.08 | ix | ^rob^: Sorry, should've been a tad more specific. I ment you could compile the kernel for a 386-class-CPU, if the CPUs are to dissimilar. |
| 14:13.30 | Eulex | tarzeau, hmm, "Tammo Hinrichs", I recognize that name. is that kb of farbrausch? |
| 14:13.35 | ^rob^ | oh - at least they-re als similar. |
| 14:13.36 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 14:13.40 | ^rob^ | ok |
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| 14:13.57 | Eulex | yes, it is |
| 14:14.05 | tarzeau | Eulex: exactly , these are the original authors |
| 14:14.30 | tarzeau | Eulex: the port to linux (freebsd, mac os x, and other unix systems) including making it assembler free (works on sparc) is done by stian |
| 14:14.40 | tarzeau | Eulex: the original cubic player page refers to the new code base now |
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| 14:15.04 | Eulex | tarzeau, ok |
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| 14:15.29 | etchjster | ooo i have lots of questions today |
| 14:16.12 | etchjster | upgrade to etch getting unable to load qt and also on install all locales failed |
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| 14:18.15 | naitram | anyone know of a free tar repair tool. |
| 14:18.40 | dr1v3r | anyone know how to start vnc server please? |
| 14:18.58 | karmatronic | dr1v3r: vncserver |
| 14:19.05 | karmatronic | dr1v3r: x11vnc |
| 14:19.22 | tarzeau | naitram: which error msg do you get? |
| 14:19.27 | tarzeau | naitram: it's maybe just the wrong filename? |
| 14:19.36 | tarzeau | naitram: or a bad download. what says file your.tar ? |
| 14:19.55 | dr1v3r | dammit i get connection refused, arrgghhh |
| 14:20.07 | MatBoy | a disk died in Softraid, the system has a high load on this and I can't see with cat /proc/mdstat which disk died. What can I do here ? |
| 14:20.30 | naitram | tarzeau: just a second |
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| 14:22.18 | naitram | tarzeau: unexpected end of file in archive, error is not recoverable: exiting now |
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| 14:22.34 | naitram | it does this after partially untarring some of the files |
| 14:22.45 | naitram | ls |
| 14:22.46 | troubled | naitram: answered your own question there |
| 14:23.12 | troubled | my favorite part is "error is not recoverable" |
| 14:23.13 | tarzeau | naitram: doesn't look too good. it's the only tarball with that data on earth? |
| 14:23.16 | naitram | troubled: the question is how to fix it? not is it working! |
| 14:23.26 | naitram | tarzeau: yep |
| 14:23.28 | tarzeau | naitram: and also how did it get broken? |
| 14:23.51 | troubled | naitram: trust me, if there was a magical fix that used some secret NSA mathmatics, it would be built into tar :) |
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| 14:24.00 | infernix | tar-nsa? |
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| 14:24.19 | troubled | naitram: now thats not to say you cant recover part of the file, before and after the damage part |
| 14:24.23 | etchjster | anyone know how to fix this- Unable to load Qt -- is libqt-perl installed |
| 14:24.37 | naitram | tarzeau: im not sure, but, i think when i tftp'ed to a windows machine for temp backup |
| 14:24.39 | xand | is libqt-perl installed? |
| 14:25.05 | troubled | naitram: you should invest the reset of your time today reading up on "par/par2". gl |
| 14:25.09 | naitram | troubled: I really am hurting for only one file in it. The others I can live without |
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| 14:26.21 | naitram | xand: are you asking me? |
| 14:26.43 | naitram | ls |
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| 14:27.37 | xand | naitram: yes. |
| 14:27.56 | naitram | xand: i just installed it, what now |
| 14:28.16 | xand | try again? |
| 14:28.57 | naitram | xand: same error |
| 14:30.02 | troubled | naitram: cant just reftp it? |
| 14:30.50 | troubled | dont make me fire up a box to man tar for you..... |
| 14:30.53 | naitram | troubled: no, this was a backup on a windows pc, the backup is corrupted. Should have tested it. Stupid, stupid ..... |
| 14:31.58 | troubled | naitram: tar reads the file from begin to end sequencially, stopping after finding an error. im sure there probably is a switch to skip and continue and just extract the file your after. but if you think im gonna sit here, research it and step by step you through a recovery of a file, your loose |
| 14:33.08 | naitram | troubled: you know this is all volunteer stuff. Your not superman. If you dont want to help then just remain quiet when i ask a question. Im not begging you! |
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| 14:33.53 | troubled | naitram: guess your own your own then suprman |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | you're |
| 14:34.26 | dendrite | naitram: Have you looked at the tar man page? |
| 14:34.32 | troubled | naitram: but i wouldnt expect everyone else/anyone else to do much more for you either |
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| 14:34.48 | naitram | dendrite: looking now, thanks. |
| 14:35.13 | troubled | abrotman: thanks ;) |
| 14:35.22 | dendrite | naitram: You can search within man pages; '/' searches forward, '?' searches backward. |
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| 14:35.36 | troubled | abrotman: where would i be without you spell checkin my back all the time |
| 14:36.16 | mahesh | Is any way to activate DRI for VIA CLE 266 IG chipset ? |
| 14:37.05 | troubled | abrotman: lookin back, i cant believe how bad my spelling is :) |
| 14:37.28 | scv | mahesh, is CLE266 with a built-in graphic chip? |
| 14:37.40 | daxxar | Hm. Is there any way to change the permissions of the piped output of a sudo? |
| 14:37.51 | daxxar | I.e. sudo echo foo > bar should write to bar as uid 0. |
| 14:38.10 | naitram | dendrite: looks like --ignore-failed-read might be the correct switch, ill try |
| 14:38.12 | scv | daxxar, ??? |
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| 14:38.42 | mahesh | scv:Yes |
| 14:39.09 | scv | mahesh, is it a S3? |
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| 14:39.32 | daxxar | I need to do sudo sh -c 'echo foo > bar' to be able to pipe my output to 'bar' as root, but that creates a whole load of escaping-problems with quoets and such. |
| 14:39.36 | daxxar | quotes. |
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| 14:41.18 | abrotman | troubled: that's okay .. naitram did the same thing :) |
| 14:41.29 | mahesh | scv: Its currently driven by via_drv ,But that driver not able to do 3D acceleration |
| 14:41.32 | abrotman | mahesh: sarge or etch ? |
| 14:41.41 | mahesh | sarge |
| 14:41.42 | scv | mahesh,awwww |
| 14:41.43 | troubled | abrotman: ? must have missed what you meant |
| 14:41.49 | abrotman | troubled: it's okay |
| 14:41.58 | abrotman | mahesh: i believe xorg has support for it .. moment |
| 14:42.38 | scv | in the linux/bsd world, nvidia is a better choice |
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| 14:43.04 | abrotman | mahesh: which driver ? |
| 14:43.07 | abrotman | scv: no .. it's not |
| 14:43.15 | scv | abrotman, huh? |
| 14:43.24 | khermans | is there a way to set the nice value of the invoked sshd and bash processes on ssh login? |
| 14:43.36 | abrotman | scv: how is supporting a company that refuses to work with F/OSS OSes a good choice ? |
| 14:43.59 | abrotman | mahesh: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/via.4.html |
| 14:44.04 | scv | did ati do? |
| 14:44.08 | mahesh | But nvidia source is not completely open |
| 14:44.12 | abrotman | scv: i wouldn't recommend ATI either |
| 14:44.17 | scv | ... |
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| 14:44.25 | scv | is there another choice? |
| 14:44.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:44.39 | scv | o_o |
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| 14:45.01 | abrotman | mahesh: it seems that what you're looking for is available for xorg .. but not xfree(which is what sarge has) |
| 14:45.09 | Muisje | mmz, my server is having an load avg of: 3.12 10.84 and 7.72 |
| 14:45.15 | Muisje | Isn't that a bit high? |
| 14:45.17 | mahesh | But via currently open their driver source;i heard |
| 14:45.20 | abrotman | depends what it is doing |
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| 14:45.34 | Muisje | just ordinary webserver/mysql |
| 14:47.07 | abrotman | is it still giong down ? |
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| 14:47.35 | Roey | mahesh: is that a recent thing, that VIA opened their drivers? |
| 14:47.44 | Muisje | Nah, apache is a bit slow after like 10 pages but other than that i'm not experiencing any problems... |
| 14:48.08 | Muisje | Still i never saw such high loads, even when the server was being used by more people. |
| 14:48.34 | Muisje | Normally around 30-40 people are continously connected now it's only 15 people |
| 14:48.38 | abrotman | could be a busted script |
| 14:48.48 | Muisje | ok, i'll check |
| 14:49.03 | Muisje | Any suggestions on howto trace that back? |
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| 14:49.18 | Muisje | Mmz, wait i believe i configured apache to display long loading scripts |
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| 14:49.52 | abrotman | what's the load now? it'll be hard to catch unless you see it at the moment it's happening |
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| 14:50.39 | Muisje | 0.39 3.90 5.40 |
| 14:50.45 | innu | hey. is it possible to remove all customly installed .deb packages. I have server and i messed it up a bit. It could be easier if i could start almoust like start :) |
| 14:51.08 | nachox | is there anywhere i can find a list of debian repositories for unstable? |
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| 14:52.39 | Nosf3ratu | When you have a package that requires module-assistant to install it, is there any way to guarantee that the module will be present on a reboot if you've upgraded to a new kernel? |
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| 14:53.18 | abrotman | nachox: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:53.37 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: maybe something kernel-pkg.conf ? |
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| 14:54.50 | Nosf3ratu | hmm . . . |
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| 14:55.58 | cubiq | I've downloaded open source drivers for my raid card. I now need to compile a kernel module to be used. What is the easiest why to get the kernel sources neede for me to compile the driver? I've only done a minimal debain Etch netinstall |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | probably need your linux-headers package .. at least |
| 14:57.12 | abrotman | m-a prepare might do it |
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| 14:57.53 | cubiq | m-a prepare? |
| 14:58.28 | nachox | thanks |
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| 14:58.40 | mahesh | Which way i can unmount a mounted drive-ext2 ;shows device busy |
| 14:58.52 | abrotman | get out of the directory |
| 14:58.57 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 14:58.57 | dpkg | hmm... module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 14:59.18 | cubiq | abrotman: Ahh OK, thx :) |
| 14:59.56 | buscon | Hi, what Intrusion Detection System do you advise me? |
| 15:00.09 | karmatronic | buscon: snort |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | nagios |
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| 15:00.36 | abrotman | buscon: apt-cache search IDS or Intrusion detection |
| 15:00.58 | buscon | karmatronic: snort's good but few graphical reports... |
| 15:01.13 | Nosf3ratu | maybe i'm misunderstanding something ... |
| 15:01.15 | abrotman | erm .. maybe they chnaged the name again |
| 15:01.26 | mahesh | nessus closed their src ??? |
| 15:01.33 | abrotman | !info nagios2 etch |
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| 15:01.44 | dpkg | nagios2: (A host/service/network monitoring and management system), section net, is optional. Version: 2.6-2 (etch), Packaged size: 990 kB, Installed size: 2856 kB |
| 15:01.44 | Nosf3ratu | if you use m-a to install a package, then you boot into a new kernel you /do/ have to re-run m-a prepare and m-a auto-install for that package for the new kernel, correct? |
| 15:01.48 | Nosf3ratu | (and there's no way around this?) |
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| 15:02.06 | abrotman | that only works for software made to work with m-a |
| 15:02.13 | abrotman | he'll still have to compile his stuff manually |
| 15:03.47 | buscon | abrotman: I'd need smt with good graphical reports |
| 15:03.59 | abrotman | smt? |
| 15:04.05 | buscon | something |
| 15:04.10 | abrotman | oh .. it's a whole word! |
| 15:04.16 | buscon | :) |
| 15:04.19 | abrotman | buscon: i believe nagios has that ability |
| 15:04.41 | abrotman | buscon: which version of debian ? |
| 15:04.51 | buscon | abrotman: I think stable |
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| 15:05.41 | abrotman | buscon: apt-cache search nagios |
| 15:05.42 | abrotman | there's another one i can' thtink of |
| 15:06.06 | etchjster | anyone know about locales failing to install |
| 15:06.11 | buscon | I'd have preferred an ids written in perl,python => so I can modify easily :) |
| 15:06.14 | abrotman | oh duh .. karmatronic said snort |
| 15:06.18 | abrotman | but i think there's another :) |
| 15:06.24 | buscon | btw I'll look into nagios deeply |
| 15:06.31 | buscon | maybe you mean prelude? |
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| 15:06.59 | abrotman | ah .. aide |
| 15:07.52 | buscon | aide ? |
| 15:08.41 | mahesh | Debian clustering is possible ?? |
| 15:08.45 | abrotman | man apt-cache |
| 15:08.48 | abrotman | mahesh: which kind ? |
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| 15:09.02 | mahesh | Thrg LAN |
| 15:09.12 | abrotman | computational or serving ? |
| 15:09.24 | mahesh | computational |
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| 15:10.26 | cydork | mahesh: yes. |
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| 15:10.35 | mindframe | what program should i use to delete an ntfs partition? |
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| 15:11.04 | mahesh | cydork :which way ?? |
| 15:11.25 | abrotman | MPI and beowulf are in debian IIRC |
| 15:11.38 | cydork | mahesh: mpi is the best |
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| 15:12.38 | mahesh | mpi is a package ?? |
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| 15:13.30 | abrotman | apt-cache search MPI |
| 15:13.45 | mahesh | ok, thanks |
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| 15:14.56 | _Sketch_ | I'm stuck getting UIM working--It's running in the background, but I can't switch input methods.. |
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| 15:16.49 | crazy_penguin | Good afternoon to all! :) |
| 15:16.52 | _Sketch_ | Hi! |
| 15:17.14 | mahesh | Is it possible to install debian with bootp |
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| 15:17.21 | spiekey | hello! |
| 15:17.28 | spiekey | is there a howto how i can install debian in a chroot? |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | mahesh: yes |
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| 15:19.01 | mahesh | any link to doc ? |
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| 15:22.17 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:22.17 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 15:22.44 | cubiq | Im trying to install the kernel header files but apt can't find them. It only finds newer ones. How can I solve this? Should I upgrade to latest kernel or can I find the old headers somewhere else` |
| 15:22.59 | _Sketch_ | I believe it's linux-kernel-headers |
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| 15:23.19 | tarzeau | spiekey: i've got a small install.txt here but it's not exactly debian (but with debootstrap): livecd.gnustep.org/install.txt |
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| 15:23.33 | _Sketch_ | ohwait.. sorry. |
| 15:23.35 | cubiq | _Sketch_: True but apt still just shows med the 2.6.18-3 and I have 2.6.17-2 |
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| 15:24.00 | tarzeau | cubiq: you're on etch or something else? |
| 15:24.10 | cubiq | tarzeau: etch |
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| 15:24.38 | cubiq | tarzeau: Downloaded the netinstall image |
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| 15:24.53 | cubiq | now I need the headers for compiling drivers |
| 15:25.03 | cubiq | E: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.17-2-486 |
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| 15:25.11 | Maximiliano | hi... if i want to do a backup or apache2 and his configuration and pages hosted... is enought to recursive copy /etc/apache2 and /var/www to other disk... i want a snapshot... beacuse i fuck the system i will reinstall |
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| 15:27.28 | cydork | cubiq: etch doesn't have that kernel anymore, so you cant get the headers. you can upgrade to new kernel |
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| 15:27.41 | Maximiliano | am i right or not? anybody knows? |
| 15:27.51 | cubiq | cydork: By using apt-get upgrade or? |
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| 15:28.22 | cydork | cubiq: you can just install the linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 and headers for that. |
| 15:28.24 | dorel__ | cubiq: by using apt-get install just get a new kernel package |
| 15:28.32 | dorel__ | afternoon cydork :) |
| 15:28.38 | cydork | dorel__: hiya :) |
| 15:28.51 | g00se | Anything to do a simple log of a connection to eth0 without going into packet inspectors and the like? |
| 15:29.13 | karmatronic | g00se: tcpdump |
| 15:29.23 | g00se | Ah. Thanks k. |
| 15:29.29 | cubiq | dorel__: OK, I'll give it a try. So apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 will di the trick :) |
| 15:29.43 | karmatronic | g00se: ngrep |
| 15:30.01 | mahesh | Which way connect to GPRS thrgh pppd |
| 15:30.05 | g00se | I'll look at that too |
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| 15:33.47 | diakopter | hello, I was wondering why there is not yet a 'frozen' symlink |
| 15:33.48 | ebbs | hi. If im moving my cursor inside a window, that was started by wine, the cursor becomes a clenched fist. How can I fix it, so that the cursors doesnt change its normal look. I already tried it in other channels, but there is nobody, who knows it... |
| 15:33.48 | quitte_ | hi. is there a way to ask the user if he wants to make an internet connection and asks for a password if packets are to be sent to the net? |
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| 15:34.30 | stonedvulcan | Hello, |
| 15:34.39 | Hoxzer_ | Hello my darling |
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| 15:35.12 | diakopter | anyone know about 'frozen' distribution? |
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| 15:35.25 | stonedvulcan | I have the following situation: My tiny laptop does not have a cdrom player nor floppy disk. What it does have is Windows 95 and internet access. Is there any possiblity to install Debian via Windows? Or some other way? |
| 15:35.38 | petemc | stonedvulcan: theres an installer can run from windows now |
| 15:35.50 | stonedvulcan | petemc, I tried that. It gave an error about /noieproxy |
| 15:36.03 | muuhDBX | stonedvulcan you are in luck |
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| 15:36.18 | stonedvulcan | muuhDBX, me is? |
| 15:36.27 | muuhDBX | !webinstall |
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| 15:36.49 | stonedvulcan | dpkg, tell me about webinstall |
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| 15:37.01 | stonedvulcan | there's no such topic it says |
| 15:37.07 | xand | stonedvulcan: stoned turned into a vulcan?! |
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| 15:37.29 | stonedvulcan | xand, nah. It's just Vulcan logic |
| 15:37.40 | stonedvulcan | Vulcan + stoned = unlogical |
| 15:38.09 | stonedvulcan | muuhDBX, what is this webinstall you're talking about? |
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| 15:38.24 | muuhDBX | nvm its a trojan |
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| 15:38.37 | petemc | stonedvulcan: how much time did you spend trying to fix the error you got? |
| 15:39.10 | stonedvulcan | petemc, zero. Because the error message is not detailed enough. unless you or someone else knows a fixure |
| 15:39.39 | petemc | stonedvulcan: i dont, but considering how limited your options are, i think that would be your best bet |
| 15:40.20 | stonedvulcan | There must be a custom way to duplicate the functions of the windows installer |
| 15:40.33 | petemc | must there? |
| 15:40.35 | petemc | why? |
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| 15:41.05 | stonedvulcan | Well, the debian windows installer does no magic. The same must be possible, in a custom way |
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| 15:41.42 | stonedvulcan | I'll try some other installer. There seem to be more versions available |
| 15:41.47 | petemc | stonedvulcan: its a fairly new thing, why dont you try to fix the error you got? |
| 15:41.49 | balou | hi.. the new debian installer somehow thinks my hd with 4 partitions (3 ext3, 1 swap) contains just one big fat16 partition. any idea how to convince di that I indeed have a free linux partition? |
| 15:41.52 | petemc | im not seeing your logic |
| 15:41.58 | balou | heres a screenshot and the fdisk -l output: http://www.itarium.ch/di-failure/ |
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| 15:42.29 | MsgToThePpl | i need help with a Card Reader |
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| 15:42.37 | stonedvulcan | petemc, I would normally. But this is a windows 95 machine. It's not unlikely that Internet Explorer is troubleing the download process |
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| 15:43.32 | petemc | stonedvulcan: again, your logic, if its there at all, evades me |
| 15:43.47 | ebbs | hi. If im moving my cursor inside a window, that was started by wine, the cursor becomes a clenched fist. How can I fix it, so that the cursors doesnt change its normal look. I already tried it in other channels, but there is nobody, who knows it... |
| 15:43.54 | stonedvulcan | petemc, you're probarly stoned ;-) |
| 15:44.03 | petemc | perhaps :) |
| 15:44.06 | abrotman | !tftp |
| 15:44.06 | dpkg | [tftp] the trivial file transfer protocol. an insecure file transfer protocol without authentification designed to transfer trivial files to diskless clients. |
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| 15:44.23 | petemc | a laptop running w95 is unlikely to be able to netboot |
| 15:44.33 | petemc | i would have thought.. |
| 15:44.35 | stonedvulcan | tried; it's not implemented |
| 15:44.44 | E-bola | Do anybody know where i can get my hands on a mysql 5 server package for debian sarge? |
| 15:44.56 | petemc | E-bola: backports |
| 15:45.00 | stonedvulcan | Ubuntu has also some windows installer. worth a try |
| 15:45.05 | E-bola | petemc: backports.org ? |
| 15:45.12 | petemc | E-bola: sure |
| 15:45.22 | E-bola | the page just seems outdated |
| 15:45.31 | stonedvulcan | lmao. also doesnt work |
| 15:45.35 | mahesh | Any way connect to GPRS thrgh pppd?? |
| 15:45.51 | petemc | there are other sources, like dotdeb |
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| 15:46.01 | wqeqwe | hi people |
| 15:46.02 | wqeqwe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.06 | wqeqwe | how i can fix the problem¿? |
| 15:46.14 | E-bola | well i asked to see if anybody know precisely where there was a backport, if anywhere |
| 15:46.41 | petemc | E-bola: dotdeb |
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| 15:46.56 | niles | hi guys |
| 15:47.09 | Roey | hi niles |
| 15:47.11 | stonedvulcan | petemc, I'll check out the source code and see what it does |
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| 15:47.20 | petemc | E-bola: its not uncommon for people to ask without having looked themselves, so dont be too suprised to get answers telling you where to look |
| 15:47.29 | petemc | stonedvulcan: thats the spirit |
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| 15:48.03 | niles | how can i list files, ls -al, in order according to the date they were created? |
| 15:48.04 | wqeqwe | anyone know how fix the problem? |
| 15:48.13 | E-bola | petemc: i did look, and couldnt find anything on backports.org, and i had forgotten about dotdeb |
| 15:48.14 | balou | niles, -t |
| 15:48.22 | E-bola | thanks for pointing me there |
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| 15:48.48 | balou | wqeqwe: your error description is very thorough and helpful ^^ |
| 15:49.03 | wqeqwe | mm balou what is the paket about opengl? |
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| 15:49.35 | niles | thanx balou |
| 15:50.02 | niles | if i wanted a dial up connection. who would i contact ? |
| 15:50.27 | petemc | an isp |
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| 15:52.03 | AnyFile | Is there an hatch to install a newer version of ghopo2 ? |
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| 15:52.15 | AnyFile | * gphoto2 |
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| 15:52.33 | stonedvulcan | petemc, for your personal database; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/install.exe/Prototype#head-479952ad01a0a1b4e984fa50773c505fbc844c57 |
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| 15:52.45 | ebbs | hi. If im moving my cursor inside a window, that was started by wine, the cursor becomes a clenched fist. How can I fix it, so that the cursors doesnt change its normal look. I already tried it in other channels, but there is nobody, who knows it... |
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| 15:53.45 | ebbs | enouf, hi, if youve got a little bit of time... :-) |
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| 15:54.56 | petemc | ebbs: you should perhaps post to a wine mailing list |
| 15:55.03 | abrotman | #winehq ? |
| 15:55.18 | ebbs | abrotman, I already tried it there |
| 15:55.21 | enouf | ebbs: hi , and unfortunately I know nothing about wine .. try ##linux perhaps, and other channels, maybe wine related |
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| 15:55.43 | ebbs | enouf, I dont think its a problem with wine itself |
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| 15:56.20 | enouf | ebbs: if it doesn'y happen elsewhere, then sure, it's wine related :-P .. or the app you're running within it |
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| 15:57.37 | wqeqwe | how i intall opengl in debian? |
| 15:57.42 | wqeqwe | checking for glut... no |
| 15:57.43 | wqeqwe | configure: error: Check for OpenGL failed. |
| 15:58.06 | ebbs | enouf, ok, so Ill try it somewhere else.. Do you know it already..:My new kernel runs properely . :-)) |
| 15:58.31 | enouf | ebbs: I can tell you to look at man update-alternatives, and that you can shoose your cursor/mouse theme using sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme .. but that's all :-0 |
| 15:58.35 | Eulex | wqeqwe, get the -dev package of glut |
| 15:59.05 | enouf | ebbs: no, I hadn't heard .. that's fantabulous! :-) what was the issue? |
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| 16:00.34 | ebbs | enouf, it was the missing sata check in the kernel... |
| 16:00.34 | wqeqwe | i am installing glutg3-dev Eulex |
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| 16:00.35 | wqeqwe | mm same error Eulex |
| 16:00.35 | ebbs | enouf, after recompiling with these settings, it worked |
| 16:00.35 | enouf | ebbs: sata check? .. a specific Config option I gather |
| 16:00.35 | enouf | ahh |
| 16:01.00 | Eulex | wqeqwe, it still doesn't find glut? |
| 16:01.04 | ebbs | enouf, my english is not too perfect... (check --> checkboxes in menuconfig) |
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| 16:01.29 | enouf | ebbs: right .. ok .. were they under "experimental'? |
| 16:01.41 | wqeqwe | i don't know Eulex |
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| 16:02.00 | enouf | ebbs: your english is much better than many others and quite good ;-) |
| 16:02.01 | AnyFile | Since I was not able to find a new version of gphoto2 in a debian package (I need a newer version to use my new photo-camera), I tried to install it from source, but the compiling abort saing that I need at least the version 0.1.5 for libusb, but the most update debian package of libusb is for 0.1.4 version. What can I do to install a new version of gphoto2? Or are there any other way to use... |
| 16:02.02 | Eulex | wqeqwe, well, does it still say "checking for glut... no" |
| 16:02.03 | AnyFile | ...my photo.camera (Canon IXUS 60)? |
| 16:02.09 | wqeqwe | yes Eulex |
| 16:02.13 | ebbs | enouf, thank you |
| 16:02.16 | andy | how can I totally purge/remove a package? The problem is, I get an error when I try to remove/purge a package and it seems like I cannot fix it. |
| 16:02.17 | Eulex | wqeqwe, check the config.log. |
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| 16:03.21 | Eulex | AnyFile, even sarge does have 0.1.10 of libusb. |
| 16:03.23 | enouf | ebbs: the word I used --> fantabulous<-- is my little twisting of combining fantastic+fabulous .. so it's not a real word in english .. just so you know |
| 16:03.36 | ebbs | enouf, no... only the pata modules were "experimental", but I didnt go through the submenu, because of its name: ...SATA.. and PATA (experimental) |
| 16:03.55 | enouf | ebbs: ok .. i see . cool |
| 16:03.56 | wqeqwe | mm Eulex i don't any interesting text |
| 16:04.02 | ebbs | enouf, I thought : ...oh... SATA cant be experid so onmental... an |
| 16:04.11 | hark | AnyFile: etch or sarge? What version of gphoto2 are you trying to compile? |
| 16:04.40 | Eulex | wqeqwe, you could also check in the configure.in file for how it is checking for glut |
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| 16:04.41 | ebbs | * cant be experimental... and so on |
| 16:05.06 | AnyFile | sarge, the gphoto2 (actually I am installing libgphoto2 first) is the 2.3.1 |
| 16:05.19 | Eulex | AnyFile, sarge has libusb 0.1.10 |
| 16:05.20 | enouf | ebbs: gotcha .. <--another non-word (I got it, I got you, I read you, I understand, ok) |
| 16:05.37 | ebbs | enouf, :-) .... (fantabulous) |
| 16:05.39 | enouf | lotta help I am .. :-p |
| 16:05.49 | enouf | nice one! |
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| 16:06.00 | Eulex | !tell AnyFile about simple sid backport |
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| 16:06.24 | muuhDBX | enouf that would be gotchYA |
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| 16:06.44 | ebbs | enouf, yes, yes... this is american english, isnt it? |
| 16:06.45 | CharminTheMoose | good afternoon to ye all |
| 16:06.45 | Eulex | AnyFile, check the instructions dpkg sent you, but use experimental instead of sid (experimental has gphoto2 2.3.1) |
| 16:06.58 | hark | Eulex: it's sarge |
| 16:07.05 | reed[] | Hello. I'm looking for a way to take a cache of downloaded packages from my laptop and let my desktop workstation at home use them (since I have atrocious bandwidth at home). Does anyone know of any tools to do this? Simply copying the files in /var/cache/apt/archives doesn't work. |
| 16:07.27 | enouf | two "uu"s in succession? .. hrm , IIRC, there's on;y 3 words in the english language that have two u in succession, 1. is vacuum 2. is continuum, and 3. ? |
| 16:07.48 | Eulex | hark, I know. |
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| 16:07.56 | CharminTheMoose | reed[ ] why not? |
| 16:08.02 | Eulex | hark, I just sent him the simple sid backport factoid |
| 16:08.13 | reed[] | apt-get downloads the files from the net anyway |
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| 16:08.31 | hark | !depends gphoto2 etch |
| 16:08.34 | dpkg | gphoto2: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcdk5, libexif12, libgphoto2-2 (>= 2.2.0), libgphoto2-port0 (>= 2.2.0), libjpeg62, libncurses5 (>= 5.4-5), libpopt0 (>= 1.10), libreadline5 (>= 5.1) |
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| 16:09.17 | karmatronic | enouf: scrotuum |
| 16:09.28 | enouf | reed[]: perhaps "/msg dpkg apt howto" can help |
| 16:09.30 | hark | AnyFile: heh, good luck... |
| 16:09.33 | enouf | karmatronic: heh |
| 16:09.50 | AnyFile | thanks, I am lokking around ... |
| 16:09.54 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 16:10.37 | ebbs | enouf, third is residuum... |
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| 16:10.52 | Azar | is there any package in Debian that can do phone-over-IP ? |
| 16:11.10 | enouf | ebbs: hrm .. I don't recall that one .. maybe .. but I recall another, though I should remeber when I see it |
| 16:11.15 | mc__ | Azar: ekiga? |
| 16:11.16 | enouf | er remember* |
| 16:11.32 | Azar | mc__ thanks, I will try it :) |
| 16:11.43 | mc__ | Azar: np |
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| 16:12.57 | reed[] | Thanks enouf. I'd tried dpkg-scanpackages but couldn't figure it out, I'll try the steps in the apt-howto and see if that works. |
| 16:12.57 | dpkg | reed[]: bitte |
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| 16:14.01 | enouf | LeFallen seems to have stumbled .. heh |
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| 16:14.30 | enouf | reed[]: no prob :-) |
| 16:14.50 | stew | reed[]: take a look at apt-move and apt-zip |
| 16:15.04 | stew | reed[]: or /msg dpkg repository |
| 16:15.17 | reed[] | I don't want to mirror the whole repository though. |
| 16:16.16 | ebbs | enouf, if I enter this update-alternatives command an error occurs: "There is only one program, that provides x-cursor-themes .. nothing to configure" (freely translated) |
| 16:16.42 | enouf | ebbs: then there's only one theme installed |
| 16:17.06 | enouf | ebbs: and most likely not the issue anyway (wine app) |
| 16:17.23 | hark | ebbs: does it happen for other wine apps as well? |
| 16:17.36 | muuhDBX | !seen abrotman |
| 16:17.36 | dpkg | abrotman is currently on #debian (1h 3m 38s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 22m 33s, last said: '#winehq ?'. |
| 16:17.38 | mindframe | does debian woody still get security updates? |
| 16:17.41 | enouf | ebbs: you can use --list instead of --configto see .. or browse the /etc/alternatives DIr |
| 16:18.04 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 16:18.04 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 16:18.10 | ebbs | hark, I only recognized this with wine... |
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| 16:18.40 | nn-main | what is the current release number |
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| 16:18.46 | ebbs | enouf, k |
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| 16:19.41 | Azar | mindframe: no |
| 16:20.01 | hark | nn-main: 3.1r4 |
| 16:20.15 | infernix | i'm using xbindkeys + xvkbd to emulate some keyboard presses for special keys on my keyboard. is there something like xvkbd but for mouse events? in other words, is there an X11 command line tool that'll generate a mouse button press? |
| 16:20.16 | ebbs | enouf, /usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursor.theme... this is the theme ... I downloaded another theme and copied files to ~/.icons |
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| 16:20.27 | abrotman | muuhDBX: yes? |
| 16:20.29 | Azar | mindframe: woody repositories were archived so I guess the source should be changed to point to the new location |
| 16:20.42 | enouf | ebbs: oh .. there's a galternatives pkg (GUI) if you want |
| 16:20.57 | ebbs | enouf, k thx |
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| 16:21.21 | enouf | ebbs: so d/l and copying over another theme fixed it? |
| 16:21.35 | mindframe | thanks, would woody -> sarge be a terribly painful upgrade for a critical server? |
| 16:22.13 | enouf | ebbs: heh I have a ~/.icons but nothing in it :-) |
| 16:22.17 | Cylis | Alright. I'm looking for an iso to install debian's AMD64 port. Unfortunately, the official sarge CDs only have a 2.6.8 kernel, which is somewhat notorious for not supporting my SATA (and testing it out, I found this to be the case). As such I need a more uptodate debian ISO for AMD64 port. Fortunately, I've found several. Unfortunately, I'm new to Debian (mostly did Gentoo before). As such, the plethora of options available is more troublesome than h |
| 16:22.17 | Cylis | elpful, as I can't distinguish between a trustworthy .iso source and a less reliable one. Since I'll be installing off this thing, possibly replacing my old Linux installation, picking the right one is important. |
| 16:22.19 | Azar | mindframe: I did it (as a newbie) several times and it works ok if you read first the documentation who will give you some hints on the upgrade |
| 16:22.23 | enouf | whoa |
| 16:22.47 | Cylis | So my question for you guys: Can you suggest a good AMD64 install iso with a more recent kernel? |
| 16:22.52 | enouf | !hcl |
| 16:22.52 | dpkg | i guess hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 16:22.56 | stew | Cylis: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 16:22.58 | abrotman | !tell Cylis about sarge uni |
| 16:23.07 | stew | Cylis: the kmuto.jp url is the one you want |
| 16:23.08 | mindframe | cool, this isnt for me as i run testing - but a customer is running a woody server which could possibly have security holes now |
| 16:23.23 | Azar | mindframe: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 16:23.28 | stew | mindframe: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 16:23.54 | Cylis | Reading. Thanks guys. That was very responsive. |
| 16:24.10 | ebbs | enouf, :-))) |
| 16:24.20 | ebbs | enouf, do you know what... |
| 16:24.24 | Azar | mindframe: tell your guy to read and note down anything of importance for him then apply to the upgrade procedure |
| 16:24.32 | enouf | ebbs: ? |
| 16:24.34 | ebbs | enouf, it works :-)))) |
| 16:24.46 | enouf | ebbs: congrats! |
| 16:24.48 | ebbs | enouf, thank you |
| 16:25.01 | enouf | ebbs: real == congratulations |
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| 16:26.38 | reed[] | Hmm, there's also "apt-proxy" http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/338 |
| 16:26.53 | reed[] | Maybe I'll try that since it appears to involve minimal configuration/setup steps. |
| 16:27.29 | ebbs | enouf, I hope I wont start nerving some time... (so many little probs, I want you to help me to solve) |
| 16:27.44 | rpc | hm where can i find lspci? it seems to be missing on etch |
| 16:27.50 | Cylis | This is great. Downloading from France. I'm hoping it'll be a little more sane about Xen than Fedora was. |
| 16:27.57 | reed[] | Or apt-cacher |
| 16:28.06 | enouf | ebbs: please ask the room/channel .. many helpful, nice, experienced people hang here |
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| 16:28.27 | ebbs | enouf, I see.... :-) |
| 16:28.29 | enouf | ebbs: just know to read and use google, prior :-) |
| 16:28.39 | ebbs | enouf, I do, really |
| 16:28.45 | muuhDBX | !google |
| 16:28.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 16:29.01 | enouf | ebbs: i know .. that's one reason I don't mind trying to help you :-) |
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| 16:29.15 | muuhDBX | does google do nix ? |
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| 16:29.28 | Cylis | So this http://kmuto.jp is a good site for unofficial debian images? |
| 16:29.35 | ebbs | enouf, "google is my friend" |
| 16:29.36 | enouf | Cylis: yes |
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| 16:30.04 | muuhDBX | google is like a brother to me :) |
| 16:30.08 | enouf | Cylis: /msg dpkg as stew told you .. you need to read the information |
| 16:30.08 | Cylis | That is precisely the kind of 'Internet Street Smarts' I needed. Thank you. |
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| 16:30.14 | Cylis | I did, thanks. |
| 16:30.19 | enouf | ok |
| 16:30.26 | ebbs | cu |
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| 16:35.20 | sangriag | does the etch supports hotplug-perl? Found http://svn.plutohome.com/pluto/trunk/external/hotplug-perl/debian/ but without documentation |
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| 16:36.15 | bigwig | If I ls -l /proc/$PID/fd, I see a symlink: 5 -> socket:[5936]. What does it mean? What socket does the file descriptor 5 refer to? |
| 16:36.25 | sangriag | Heard that hotplug-perl is much faster hardware detection utiltiy |
| 16:36.36 | bigwig | sorry for forgetting to say hello |
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| 16:41.52 | bigwig | hi |
| 16:41.52 | bigwig | could anyone tell me what does a socket number mean? |
| 16:41.53 | petemc | in what context? |
| 16:41.55 | bigwig | when i ls -l /proc/$PID/fd |
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| 16:41.56 | bigwig | so from the beginning: i have a load of 400 |
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| 16:41.57 | bigwig | i see in ps that there are waiting cron processes |
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| 16:42.17 | bigwig | when i do strace on them, i see, they are selecting from an fd set with only one file descriptor: 5 |
| 16:42.25 | bigwig | i ls -l /proc/$PID/fd |
| 16:43.07 | bigwig | and i see that 5 is a symlink to a socket:[5936] |
| 16:43.07 | bigwig | i would like to know what is 5936 |
| 16:43.08 | bigwig | thanks in advance for your help |
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| 16:45.12 | bigwig | it is strange when i do netstat, i don't see 5936 |
| 16:45.29 | KoBB | Sorry to bother but I would like to know why a pdftotext conversion is so slow when executed by apache ? And maybe do you know another PDF converter ? |
| 16:45.37 | pickcoder | socket numbers are only valid in context of the user heap within the application |
| 16:45.46 | pickcoder | they are file descriptors |
| 16:45.50 | Azar | bigwig: maybe you ought to check and learn about sockets.... |
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| 16:46.22 | bigwig | so that means i cannot find out what socket is that cron waiting for? |
| 16:46.23 | Azar | try "Internetworking with TCP/IP vol III" by Douglas E Comer |
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| 16:46.38 | bigwig | Azar: thanks but this is UNIX domain socket AFAIK |
| 16:46.43 | petemc | does that cover unix sockets too? |
| 16:46.47 | Azar | bigwig: exactly |
| 16:47.02 | pickcoder | bigwig: no.. I don't think it does |
| 16:47.09 | Azar | petemc: that question was for me? |
| 16:47.09 | pickcoder | don't quote me on it, though |
| 16:47.13 | petemc | bigwig: when mny load goes up, i look for processes in disk wait (D) |
| 16:47.15 | petemc | Azar: kinda |
| 16:47.31 | bigwig | petemc: these cron processes all do |
| 16:47.45 | bigwig | they wait (D) |
| 16:47.54 | Azar | petemc: I have the book and I have not seen anything windowish in it, its from the beginning of the internet |
| 16:47.56 | pickcoder | bigwig: see what's open.. lsof |
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| 16:48.26 | petemc | bigwig: you know what the cron jobs are? |
| 16:48.39 | Azar | I snatched the book 10 years ago from a univ drop-out student |
| 16:48.49 | bigwig | oh god |
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| 16:49.14 | pickcoder | Azar: UNIX sockets != TCP/IP sockets |
| 16:49.14 | Azar | bigwig: "htop" is cool, install it |
| 16:49.23 | muuhDBX | bill gates hated the internet |
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| 16:49.57 | scv | did he? |
| 16:50.03 | muuhDBX | if it was for him we would all be a part of windoews neighburhood |
| 16:50.16 | petemc | muuhDBX: whats that got to do with debian? |
| 16:50.31 | muuhDBX | i as talking to Azar |
| 16:50.36 | bigwig | cron is trying to connect to my LDAP directory to retrieve password, shadow and/or group information |
| 16:50.40 | muuhDBX | whats it to you ? |
| 16:50.51 | bigwig | thanks for the lsof hint |
| 16:51.09 | petemc | muuhDBX: i dont think its beneficial to the channel to make anti windows statements, is all |
| 16:51.46 | muuhDBX | phear the glass |
| 16:51.46 | pickcoder | bigwig: figured it out? |
| 16:51.53 | bigwig | kind of |
| 16:52.13 | bigwig | i see that it is waiting for my LDAP server to respond but i still don't know why |
| 16:52.23 | muuhDBX | im using debian just because i love windows |
| 16:52.25 | bigwig | however that gives me a start |
| 16:52.32 | _diz | confidential |
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| 16:52.41 | Kevin` | muuhDBX Eh? |
| 16:53.08 | muuhDBX | seem to be petemc why of thinking |
| 16:53.15 | muuhDBX | or just mabey |
| 16:53.20 | pickcoder | bigwig: using nsswitch? |
| 16:53.21 | muuhDBX | hes a troll ? |
| 16:53.27 | bigwig | pickcoder: yes |
| 16:53.38 | pickcoder | muuhDBX: stop while you're ahead |
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| 16:55.24 | Azar | "The Unix I/O Paradigm and Network I/O": "Early implementations of TCP/IP under UNIX also used the open-read-write-close" paradigm with a special file name, /dev/tcp..... Adding network protocols to UNIX increased the complexity of the I/O interface substantially".. |
| 16:55.29 | tolle | If I just want to set up a very simple mailserver for forwarding some mail, whats the simplest solution? |
| 16:55.49 | sudo_maddash | w000t tinyirc over ssh |
| 16:55.51 | petemc | tolle: exim4 that comes with debian can achieve that easily |
| 16:56.12 | pickcoder | bigwig: you're sure that cron is hanging and not a cronjob? |
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| 16:57.20 | bigwig | pickcoder: think so. i don't have cronjobs for times like 17:08, 17:32... |
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| 16:58.22 | bigwig | holly cow |
| 16:58.37 | bigwig | my pam_ldap.conf and libnss-ldap.conf is messed up |
| 16:58.45 | tolle | petemc: Kinda suspected it. However I've never really been a friend of mail servers. 2000000 options and pretty much never a "it just works" default configuration for most of them. Or well I guess they work, just never as i want them to. hehe. |
| 16:58.55 | pickcoder | well that would cause a few problems with nsswitch |
| 16:58.59 | pickcoder | and pam |
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| 16:59.14 | Tallu | tolle: exim4 is really easy |
| 16:59.16 | petemc | tolle: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config works for basic configurations |
| 16:59.40 | bigwig | it was probably done by an idiot who just did an apt-get update ... |
| 16:59.57 | pickcoder | and didn't say "N" to the config update |
| 17:00.03 | pickcoder | heh |
| 17:00.04 | bigwig | think so |
| 17:00.09 | pickcoder | work calls |
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| 17:00.17 | bigwig | have a nice day |
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| 17:00.50 | tolle | Tallu: yeah most are, but not easy as in obvious. still requires some reading for it. not really that fun if someones nagging one about it. |
| 17:00.56 | umesh | Hi, I need to backup data and which is the best way to go with "nfs or rsync" |
| 17:01.27 | umesh | . |
| 17:01.53 | petemc | umesh: rsync works well for me |
| 17:02.13 | reed[] | Hey, setting up MDNS is easy in Debian. Just install avahi-daemon and libnss-mdns and you're done. |
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| 17:03.14 | FernandoMM | Hello, how can i make cp ignore hidden files? |
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| 17:07.40 | Fox | FernandoMM: cp -a ? |
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| 17:07.54 | rahul | erm -a does not ignore hidden files |
| 17:08.01 | rahul | you might need to use tar with a pipe |
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| 17:08.13 | rahul | tar has an option to exclude based on patterns |
| 17:08.37 | FernandoMM | Fox: i guess this worked :D |
| 17:08.45 | rahul | tar cf - <other options> dir | tar xf - -C /target/location |
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| 17:10.48 | Fox | -a handles hidden files |
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| 17:11.32 | rahul | yes, he wants to NOT handle hidden files |
| 17:12.04 | fhhgf | Which better way to create partitions for debian? |
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| 17:13.10 | bigwig | thanks all for your help |
| 17:13.10 | bigwig | bye |
| 17:13.12 | hatta | fhhgf, cfdisk is very nice |
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| 17:13.18 | karmatronic | fhhgf: i like cfdisk |
| 17:13.22 | Fox | oops |
| 17:13.31 | Fox | I read the wrong way :) |
| 17:14.11 | Fox | should use tar, yes |
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| 17:14.27 | Fox | tar -X file dir | tar xf - -C /target/location |
| 17:14.39 | Fox | where file has all hidden files names in it |
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| 17:15.22 | allix | has anyone here played with obexfs or obexftp? |
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| 17:15.53 | mrec_ | is there any kernelparameter available to step through the init process by answering Y/N for every process? |
| 17:16.14 | fhhgf | ya but e need only this partition ? |
| 17:16.19 | fhhgf | or i need more..? |
| 17:16.24 | fhhgf | I* |
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| 17:17.00 | lucio | I installed the new 2.6.20 kernel using the latest config file (the one for 2.6.18) on a feshly updated Debian etch, it is "waiting for the root filesystem" forever at boot time now... :-( |
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| 17:17.50 | lucio | anyone experienced a kernel 2.6.20 installation on a debian etch system? |
| 17:17.53 | limpio | how do i check the cpu temperature? |
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| 17:18.08 | Gathond | limpio: try acpi -V |
| 17:18.14 | limpio | thx |
| 17:18.25 | fhhgf | *I need only this partition "/" , or i need more..? |
| 17:18.36 | fhhgf | and swap of course |
| 17:18.50 | karmatronic | limpio: put your hand near your box |
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| 17:19.07 | Gathond | fhhgf: as in actually require more, no, although atleast having swap on a second one is a popular idea |
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| 17:19.24 | Gathond | fhhgf: personally I prefer having /, /usr, /var, /tmp and /home seperate |
| 17:19.32 | limpio | is 41 degrees normal? |
| 17:19.37 | Gathond | yes |
| 17:19.39 | reed[] | lucio, does it say what partition it's trying to use for the root filesystem? |
| 17:19.43 | limpio | thx |
| 17:19.50 | Gathond | limpio: my laptop i 41-57 I think |
| 17:19.50 | karmatronic | limpio: in spain yeah |
| 17:19.59 | Gathond | depending on where it is in its cycle |
| 17:19.59 | karmatronic | limpio: in france that would be strange |
| 17:20.13 | fhhgf | I want install debian for desktop |
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| 17:20.37 | reed[] | limpio, check your CPU docs or manufacturer's website for apropriate ranges. Getting into the 60s is probably too hot. |
| 17:21.11 | limpio | 41 degrees centigrade |
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| 17:21.39 | Gathond | Last time I read Intels and AMD's guidelines they said that below 90 deg should be "safe" as in not self destruct immediately |
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| 17:21.50 | reed[] | Gathond, Farenheit? |
| 17:21.51 | Gathond | but below 60 is way better:) |
| 17:21.54 | Gathond | reed[]: nope |
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| 17:21.58 | Gathond | celcius |
| 17:22.01 | reed[] | Oh, that's pretty hot :) |
| 17:22.06 | Gathond | reed[]: yes |
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| 17:22.15 | fhhgf | I have 20 Gb, / - 512Mb; /var - 1G , /tmp - 1G, /usr - 9G , /home - rest of disk. correct Gathond? |
| 17:22.23 | Gathond | reed[]: but not your CPU will die in 2 min hot:) |
| 17:22.26 | dkr | 85C is the automatic shutdown level for core 2 duo, I think |
| 17:22.32 | lucio | reed[]: it's the same partition (/dev/sda1 on a sata hd) that kernel 2.6.18 is using successfully for booting |
| 17:22.41 | reed[] | lucio, does it print that out? |
| 17:22.53 | Gathond | limpio: I'm not sure how accurate these sensors are though |
| 17:22.59 | lucio | reed[]: no |
| 17:23.02 | reed[] | I've had problems back when devfs was still being sometimes used. |
| 17:23.16 | Gathond | limpio: the actuall value is probably of little usage, but if you see it double you are in trouble:) |
| 17:23.41 | reed[] | (So it would get confused between /dev/hda1, /dev/ide/wtf/partition/1, etc.) |
| 17:23.44 | limpio | ok. I'm using a Sempron 2600+ |
| 17:23.55 | Gathond | limpio: but many computers today try to keep the noice down by managing the fans after the temperature |
| 17:24.03 | obscurant | i just installed debian - one problem, backspace doesn't work in certain apps, like aptitude |
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| 17:24.37 | Gathond | like this Dell laptop thingy, it runs at 44-58 deg (or there abouts) simply because it speeds the fans up at 58 deg and down at 40 something |
| 17:25.00 | limpio | yeah, well this is a desktop |
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| 17:25.49 | limpio | thx everybody |
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| 17:27.28 | Gathond | fhhgf: something like that, there is really not a definit answer, depends on your usage |
| 17:27.49 | Gathond | fhhgf: if you have no idea about what you need its probably safer to just do one and then swap |
| 17:28.46 | fhhgf | oki tks |
| 17:28.57 | Gathond | fhhgf: for reference I have, 250 MB /, 80G /home, 1G /tmp, 2G /var and 7.5G /usr and that /usr includes a i386 chroot of sid |
| 17:29.19 | Gathond | and the most usage is / with 83% and /usr with 33% |
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| 17:30.54 | nitro4ce | how can i scan a paper with an epson stylus cx3900 ????? |
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| 17:31.09 | nitro4ce | multifunction printer/scanner |
| 17:31.38 | lvalue | any idea what could have gone wrong? I'm getting this: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp -- cat: write error: Input/output error |
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| 17:32.42 | lvalue | it all worked fine till i opened an mpg movie inside of firefox, and then it stopped working.. |
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| 17:34.08 | Gathond | nitro4ce: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_CX3900 might have a int |
| 17:34.20 | Gathond | although they may only cover the actual printing part |
| 17:34.28 | nitro4ce | indeed |
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| 17:34.54 | Gathond | the link seems to be suggested it covers both though |
| 17:35.20 | etchjster | my debian install is like 3 1/2 gig seems rather large |
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| 17:36.00 | etchjster | or not |
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| 17:36.39 | nitro4ce | Gathond: i have the drivers |
| 17:36.48 | nitro4ce | Gathond: but what program can i use? |
| 17:36.49 | Gathond | etchjster: its as large as what is installed, if you chose one of the tasks I would say it could be that large easily |
| 17:37.03 | Gathond | nitro4ce: sorry, no idea I don't own a scanner |
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| 17:37.43 | Gathond | etchjster: I think there was 32 GB of packages (extracted) in sid some years back, so it can get a lot larger than that:) |
| 17:37.52 | etchjster | lmao |
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| 17:38.26 | Gathond | although its probably not possible to actually install it all at the same time as some stuff conflicts |
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| 17:41.06 | reind | I'm not seeing anything logged to /var/log/messages or syslog. What package/configuration am i missing? |
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| 17:43.47 | karmatronic | reind: maybe need a line like that mail,news.none -/var/log/messages |
| 17:43.56 | karmatronic | reind: in your /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 17:45.49 | cyzie | just curious if the laptop/desktos has RAM >=1GB, is it adviceable to install the stock kernel with bigmem support? and why is it so ? |
| 17:47.16 | rahul | bigmem is for more than 2 GB, no? |
| 17:47.25 | cyzie | 4GB to be exact |
| 17:49.04 | rgsteele | Ok guys, riddle me this. I've got a Xerox printer that sits on the network, and a Debian Etch box on the same subnet, no firewall in between them. I can't ping the printer from the box - or so I thought. I ran tcpdump on the NIC interface on the box, and it actually sees replies coming in...so the kernel is obviously pulling return packets off the interface. |
| 17:49.25 | rgsteele | But, I can never see the response via ping. |
| 17:49.34 | rgsteele | Am I looking at a buggy kernel? |
| 17:49.52 | cyzie | stock kernel ? |
| 17:50.01 | rgsteele | (2.6.18-3), yeah stock. |
| 17:50.59 | xand | more like dodgy cable ;) |
| 17:51.19 | rgsteele | Nah, cause I can ping other boxes on the network and external boxes |
| 17:51.22 | rgsteele | like Google |
| 17:51.36 | cyzie | iptables in the etch ? |
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| 17:52.22 | MarcoPau | how can I move a file within a tar archive throu the subdirs? |
| 17:53.02 | reind | karmatronic: hm i do have that , a few catch-all in /etc/syslog.conf, what else could be the cause? |
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| 17:57.27 | rgsteele | cyzie: Yeah, but it's accept on all fronts |
| 17:58.06 | rgsteele | cyzie: All the firewalling is done on the router that terminates the T1 |
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| 17:58.28 | lowkey | l0wkey: why dont you just register that and not keep camping on my registered nick? |
| 17:59.03 | cyzie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:00.35 | etchjster | what is sid like |
| 18:00.45 | etchjster | and my hardware is very old |
| 18:01.00 | xand | sid is unstable |
| 18:01.09 | etchjster | very |
| 18:01.10 | xand | you don't use it unless you're an expert |
| 18:01.19 | lowkey | unstable refers to package selection. not to package stability. |
| 18:01.32 | lowkey | its not much harder to use than testing (etch) is. |
| 18:01.43 | Ronin | heh umm lowkey maybe for some folks |
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| 18:01.59 | rgsteele | cyzie: Yeah, but I can ping everything else on the internal network just fine |
| 18:02.15 | lowkey | Ronin: whats hard about it? |
| 18:03.03 | xand | it'll be broken a lot of the time? |
| 18:03.03 | etchjster | when i changed my apt sources i did dist upgrade before i got linux image seems to work better when you get the image after dist upgrade least it did for me |
| 18:03.08 | lowkey | xand: nope. |
| 18:03.11 | xand | yes |
| 18:03.19 | xand | anyway, it's offtopic here. |
| 18:03.22 | lowkey | i've been running sid on this box for 3 years. |
| 18:03.32 | lowkey | sid is offtopic in a debian channel? |
| 18:03.39 | etchjster | lmao |
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| 18:03.47 | xand | yes, unstable isn't supported here |
| 18:03.50 | etchjster | sid should be main topic |
| 18:03.52 | cyzie | rgsteele, what kernel are you using ? |
| 18:03.54 | Ronin | it is somewhat yes lowkey |
| 18:03.58 | etchjster | if we want more debian |
| 18:04.00 | cyzie | ahhh kkk |
| 18:04.27 | cyzie | got it |
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| 18:04.28 | rgsteele | rgsteele>(2.6.18-3), yeah stock. |
| 18:04.28 | lowkey | hmmm so is a testing branch off topic immediately after it forks from sid? |
| 18:04.28 | rgsteele | :) |
| 18:04.28 | cyzie | you shouldnt have any problem with stock.... :-s try apt-get install another kernel... see if it helps |
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| 18:04.39 | Ronin | lowkey: testing is usually ok especially now as its frozen and on its way to stable |
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| 18:04.58 | lowkey | Ronin: thats then end of the testing cycle. or near. at the beginning its just a fork off sid. |
| 18:05.53 | Ronin | and at the beginning i bet you get told only stable gets supported :) |
| 18:06.00 | lowkey | in the last 5 yrs i've had one major problem with sid. thats when libc changed major versions. and all it took to fix was rerunning apt-get -f install about 3 times and forcing one package. |
| 18:06.21 | lowkey | hardly traumatic. |
| 18:06.53 | rgsteele | cyzie: I might just roll my own, to tweak some performance issues while I'm at it. |
| 18:06.55 | lowkey | on the other hand, you never have to update from one stable to the next new one. which is generally more trouble in my experience. |
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| 18:07.04 | lowkey | sid just moves on and on. |
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| 18:07.23 | etchjster | i think compiling is next for me |
| 18:07.28 | Ronin | and has on a semiregular basis quite large problems |
| 18:07.32 | cyzie | rgsteele, okie, you go ahead. maybe /etc/sysctl.conf might need too |
| 18:07.33 | lowkey | when? |
| 18:07.35 | lowkey | where? |
| 18:07.36 | hun_smica | some people said: "the sid is more stable sometimes, than the actual testing" |
| 18:07.51 | lowkey | sid is fine for workstations. |
| 18:08.19 | CosmoDad | is there a way to retrieve a list of packages that have been manually installed on my system (as opposed to base-system and dependent packages)? |
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| 18:08.23 | lowkey | the place where sid can get you in trouble is mission critical servers. not because the apps aren't stable but because the config files can and sometimes do change formats. |
| 18:08.34 | Ronin | like i said its fine if you can fix things yourself when it breaks |
| 18:08.38 | etchjster | etch is the desktop kernel in my opinion |
| 18:08.50 | lowkey | etch is ok. |
| 18:09.04 | etchjster | sarge is slow |
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| 18:09.10 | lowkey | i just prefer sid because it only needs updates. no upgrades to new stable when it comes out. |
| 18:09.10 | etchjster | eats my memory |
| 18:09.22 | Ronin | doubt thats sarge doing that etchjster |
| 18:09.24 | hun_smica | but at the moment, the etch is not stable |
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| 18:09.36 | Ronin | hun_smica: no its testing ;) |
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| 18:09.48 | etchjster | swap was always in use |
| 18:10.06 | lowkey | i have sarge on a couple firewalls yet. |
| 18:10.10 | lowkey | runs fine for those. |
| 18:10.13 | Ronin | etchjster: like i said i bet it wasnt sarge per se but somethign that you did, no offense meant |
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| 18:10.23 | etchjster | lol none taken |
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| 18:10.39 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I am about to install debian, where can I get a full cd for etch? |
| 18:10.39 | etchjster | updat to etch is beautiful anyuway |
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| 18:10.55 | etchjster | iso and update dood |
| 18:11.08 | MsgToThePpl | Hi i've a problem : my deb sees my usb card reader but... i see it only issuing lsusb or dmesg - not listed in fdisk -l |
| 18:11.24 | binarym | hi everybody. Since i upgrade to testing, my aterm doesn't allow me to paste big block of text |
| 18:11.40 | binarym | for example, if i select some lines on firefox and try to paste it on aterm |
| 18:11.44 | binarym | it does nothing |
| 18:11.53 | binarym | if i select just a line, it works |
| 18:12.13 | hun_smica | testing :) |
| 18:12.17 | lowkey | binarym: just aterm or other terminals too? |
| 18:12.18 | hun_smica | so thats it |
| 18:12.34 | binarym | lowkey: i didn't test |
| 18:12.39 | binarym | just a moment :) |
| 18:12.42 | lowkey | binarym: cool. |
| 18:12.58 | binarym | it works with an xterm |
| 18:13.07 | lowkey | ok so it appears to be an aterm issue. |
| 18:13.14 | binarym | hmm |
| 18:13.32 | lowkey | ok i dont know aterm but i'd start by looking at its settings |
| 18:13.36 | etchjster | whos running custom kernel? |
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| 18:13.57 | sanmarcos-trabaj | does etch have a graphical installer already? |
| 18:14.09 | Ronin | sanmarcos-trabaj: i believe so yes |
| 18:14.09 | MsgToThePpl | pls |
| 18:14.10 | lowkey | etchjster: i do. |
| 18:14.14 | lowkey | etchjster: on some boxes. |
| 18:14.18 | lowkey | sanmarcos-trabaj: yes. |
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| 18:14.23 | etchjster | how many times to get it right? |
| 18:14.24 | sanmarcos-trabaj | so, the etch RC1 cd instalattion has it |
| 18:14.41 | sanmarcos-trabaj | (I am planning on installing this on parallels through a mac) |
| 18:14.43 | binarym | lowkey: in fact, pasting works sometimes in aterm, but not always ... really a strange bug |
| 18:14.53 | lowkey | etchjster: well i copy the config from /boot/config-<version, then make oldconfig. then check it. |
| 18:14.57 | lowkey | etchjster: generally first time. |
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| 18:15.07 | MsgToThePpl | pls hlp |
| 18:15.09 | lowkey | etchjster: if i have to tweak it. maybe second or third. |
| 18:15.13 | etchjster | makes me nervous |
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| 18:15.32 | etchjster | im not to big on backing stuff upo |
| 18:15.36 | lowkey | etchjster: a. keep old kernel as default. |
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| 18:15.45 | lowkey | etchjster: b. reboot to it if needed. |
| 18:16.09 | black_13 | can gnome be made to auto login? |
| 18:16.15 | binarym | it seems like problem appear only then selection is from firefox ... |
| 18:16.28 | lowkey | binarym: thats weird. |
| 18:16.42 | binarym | black_13: it's you gdm/xdm that handle auto-login it think |
| 18:16.50 | binarym | s/it think/i think/ |
| 18:17.15 | black_13 | binarym, i have it autologing mostly |
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| 18:17.20 | lowkey | etchjster: use make-kpkg. it builds a .deb for your custom kernel. |
| 18:17.31 | lowkey | etchjster: makes it easy to install and later remove when its time. |
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| 18:18.01 | black_13 | binarym, the problem is that if hit ctr-alt-backspace i get a login screen but if wait 30 seconds it goes ahead and logs in |
| 18:18.13 | lowkey | etchjster: besides its no risk until grub or lilo is altered. |
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| 18:20.52 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I am about to install etch through Parallels in an intel mac, core duo, what architecture should I choose |
| 18:20.58 | sanmarcos-trabaj | i386 right? |
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| 18:21.16 | lowkey | dunno. haven't gotten to play with a intel mac yet. |
| 18:21.19 | rgsteele | cyzie: Yeah I'm not sure what the deal is, but all the Sarge boxes talk to the printer fine. |
| 18:21.32 | MsgToThePpl | pls hlp |
| 18:22.01 | rgsteele | cyzie: It's possible that the packets are crafted in such a way that the kernel I've got on the Sarge box can understand things but the Etch kernel can't |
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| 18:22.34 | rgsteele | cyzie: As ugly as it sounds, I'm going to have the Etch box talk to the Sarge box, and have the Sarge box talk to the printer. |
| 18:22.52 | rgsteele | cyzie: In the short term, it solves the problem. :-/ |
| 18:23.00 | lowkey | rgsteele: more likely its in cups or smb services (depending on what you're using) than in the kernel itself. |
| 18:23.16 | MsgToThePpl | pls hlp me |
| 18:23.17 | rgsteele | lowkey: Um, I can't even telnet to the printer from the command line. |
| 18:23.21 | rgsteele | lowkey: Or nmap or ping it |
| 18:23.26 | rgsteele | It's completely outside of cups |
| 18:23.28 | lowkey | rgsteele: really? |
| 18:23.32 | lowkey | thats weird. |
| 18:23.43 | lowkey | rgsteele: got a firewall running on that box at all? |
| 18:23.49 | lowkey | rgsteele: or tcpwrappers? |
| 18:24.05 | cyzie | rgsteele, that doestnt sounds logic to the computer. you might want to google for the kernel feature on support for your printer. i encounter some problem too. where windows box (mysql running, 10.1.x.x)------------network---------------<rhel box, mysql running, 10.2.x.x.> where from rhel connect to windows using mysql, i cant.. but from windows to rhel it is perfectly fine. |
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| 18:24.40 | cyzie | rgsteele, what i do as a workaround is that, add a virtual interface to the linux to 10.1.x.x then it work fine both ways |
| 18:24.59 | cyzie | so you might want to trial and error ? |
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| 18:25.40 | lowkey | cyzie: another alternative would be messing with the routes on both the 10.1.x.x boxes and 10.2.x.x boxes. but your way is probably easier if you have a number of boxes. |
| 18:26.01 | rgsteele | lowkey: No firewall. The Sarge boxes all talk to it fine. tcpdump tells me the interface sees the return ping packets, but the ping utility doesn't see them. |
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| 18:26.20 | lowkey | rgsteele: weird. |
| 18:26.23 | lowkey | rgsteele: let me think. |
| 18:26.36 | rgsteele | lowkey: Go for it. I'm about thinked out :) |
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| 18:26.55 | lowkey | rgsteele: tcpwrappers? |
| 18:27.05 | rgsteele | lowkey: Nope. |
| 18:27.16 | lowkey | rgsteele: and all hosts are within the same subnet? |
| 18:27.21 | rgsteele | lowkey: Yeah. |
| 18:27.29 | lowkey | hmmm. |
| 18:27.32 | cyzie | lowkey, with route command ? might try though but i guess it wont guarantee success as i feel now |
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| 18:28.14 | garotosopa | will I experience any problem upgrading the kernel from 486 to K7? I have the nvidia modules installed (from repos) |
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| 18:28.24 | lowkey | cyzie: basically you just have to tell the 10.2.x.x hosts that 10.1.x.x can be reached from the same 10.2.x.x interface. and vice versa for the 10.1.x.x. hosts. |
| 18:28.30 | lowkey | but it means doing it on all hosts. |
| 18:28.35 | lowkey | which could suck. |
| 18:28.41 | lowkey | depending on how many you have. |
| 18:28.57 | lowkey | its functionally equivilant to using a virtual interface. |
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| 18:29.46 | lowkey | garotosopa: most likely no. but just keep the old kernel in /boot and defined as default in grub or lilo. that way its easy to go back to old. |
| 18:29.57 | Edwin_Quijada | There is no lspci in etch 4? |
| 18:30.03 | cyzie | lowkey, ahh okay okay.. we have quite a few servers there. but i guess, if your default route is out using the default gw, i see no point add extra route points. in the end, the router should do the work. |
| 18:30.31 | lowkey | cyzie: both ways work. |
| 18:30.46 | lowkey | cyzie: your way is probably less admin work. only have to tweak one host. |
| 18:30.48 | garotosopa | lowkey, should I just install linux-image-2.6-k7 from aptitude? |
| 18:30.56 | lowkey | garotosopa: you can. |
| 18:31.19 | lowkey | garotosopa: although be careful with that particular package. |
| 18:31.33 | cyzie | lowkey, no sh*t. ;) |
| 18:31.39 | lowkey | garotosopa: its a fake package that just requires the current version. |
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| 18:31.59 | lowkey | garotosopa: so as soon as it + the current version install, remove that package. which will leave the current package. |
| 18:32.01 | garotosopa | lowkey, would I better choose the specific current version? because at this moment I have the fake 486 as well |
| 18:32.12 | lowkey | garotosopa: or every time they update this fake package it will update your kernel. |
| 18:32.19 | lowkey | garotosopa: which is annoying. |
| 18:32.36 | garotosopa | I thought that's why the package exists anyway |
| 18:32.43 | lowkey | garotosopa: just do apt-get install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 18:32.48 | lowkey | garotosopa: then as soon as its done |
| 18:32.49 | black_13 | is anyone here familiar with the gdmsetup prog |
| 18:32.55 | lowkey | garotosopa: just do apt-get remove linux-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 18:33.02 | lowkey | garotosopa: its sounds weird but thats how it works. |
| 18:33.23 | lowkey | the kernel images without version numbers are just pointers to current version. |
| 18:33.38 | garotosopa | lowkey, is it a bad idea to install 2.6.18-3 directly? |
| 18:33.41 | lowkey | its mainly for the installers and for people that use debootstrap to install debian. |
| 18:33.47 | lowkey | garotosopa: not necessarily. |
| 18:33.55 | lowkey | garotosopa: just more typing and no remove step. |
| 18:34.09 | lowkey | its two ways to accomplish the same thing. |
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| 18:34.47 | lowkey | much like apt-get, aptitude and synaptic are three ways to accomplish the same goal (package install) |
| 18:35.05 | Edwin_Quijada | what driver I should use for this wireless card Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 80 2.11b/g Wireless (rev 03) |
| 18:35.15 | lowkey | well actually dependency checking. dpkg does the actuall install for all three. |
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| 18:35.52 | garotosopa | lowkey, will the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-486 package work in the k7 kernel? |
| 18:36.06 | lowkey | garotosopa: probably not. |
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| 18:36.44 | broken | hello |
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| 18:37.00 | innu | hey. Where is squirrelmail dir in etch debian. i installed it, but folder isnt in /var/www/ like usually |
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| 18:37.27 | Azar | garotosopa: use the k7 for amd |
| 18:37.29 | lowkey | innu: for mail storage or for the html interface? |
| 18:37.35 | innu | html |
| 18:37.40 | lowkey | good question. |
| 18:37.44 | weggpod | innu, i don't know |
| 18:37.51 | weggpod | show in /usr/local/ |
| 18:37.51 | Azar | garotosopa: k8 for amd64 I think |
| 18:38.11 | garotosopa | Azar, yes I'm on amd but currently using 486 kernel. I thought I'd better upgrade to k7 |
| 18:38.21 | lowkey | innu: did you install SM as a deb? |
| 18:38.36 | innu | usr/local is bin/ games/ include/ lib/ man/ sbin/ share/ src/. |
| 18:38.38 | lowkey | innu: if so you can use dpkg -L <packagename> to see where it installed what |
| 18:38.39 | innu | with apt-get |
| 18:38.40 | Azar | garotosopa: so I installed a kernel for another cpu architecture then |
| 18:38.44 | garotosopa | Azar, actually i'm on amd64 but running as 32. I don't want any problem about those things that doesn't work well on 64 |
| 18:39.06 | fantomas | hi. I've installed a package wich depends on unexistent libdbus-1-2. Now everytime I try to install something apt-get claims it want to remove that package. How to make it stop doing this? What should I write in apt_preferences? |
| 18:39.09 | Azar | garotosopa: running as 32 on an amd64 is ok but then use a k7 |
| 18:39.13 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: probably need ndiswrapper for it .. maybe ask #wireless |
| 18:39.20 | innu | /usr/share/squirrelmail/ i think i found it |
| 18:39.26 | lowkey | only thing that doesn't work that i miss is flash. |
| 18:39.28 | abrotman | /usr/lib/ ? |
| 18:39.40 | abrotman | lowkey: there's a way to do that |
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| 18:40.02 | lowkey | abrotman: yeah i tried the wrapper and it caused iceweasel to crash every so often. |
| 18:40.05 | black_13 | when i try to run gdmsetup i get Failed to connect to socket, sleep 1 second and retry, how do i fix this? |
| 18:40.05 | lowkey | abrotman: so its gone. |
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| 18:40.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:40.18 | lowkey | abrotman: besides gnash works for most flash menu stuff. |
| 18:40.29 | lowkey | abrotman: no videos or games but ehhhh.... |
| 18:40.37 | lowkey | abrotman: unplug gets the videos for me anyway. |
| 18:40.39 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:41.12 | garotosopa | thanks Azar, lowkey . I'll try and cry if anything goes wrong. |
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| 18:41.35 | lowkey | garotosopa: good luck. |
| 18:41.46 | lowkey | garotosopa: just keep the old kernel installed. |
| 18:41.52 | garotosopa | btw do you think I'll get any improvement from 486 to k7? |
| 18:41.53 | lowkey | that way you can always boot back to it. |
| 18:41.58 | lowkey | garotosopa: some. |
| 18:42.17 | TTT | hi, if xfs_check says my filesystem is (somewhat) broken, does that mean that filesystem is broken, or xfs_check is broken? Should I run xfs_repair on it or should I not? (I know how to deal with this with ext2, but i don't quite trust xfs toos) |
| 18:42.23 | lowkey | garotosopa: although i686 would be an equal jump probably. |
| 18:42.40 | lowkey | garotosopa: especially if you install libc6-i686 |
| 18:42.51 | garotosopa | hahaha you mean I won't don't you? lol |
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| 18:43.20 | lowkey | it will be faster. will it be noticible without a benchmarking too. dunno. depends on a lot of factors. |
| 18:43.27 | lowkey | s/too/tool/ |
| 18:43.58 | lowkey | i'm not even sure how stable k7 on amd64 will be. never tried it myself. |
| 18:44.01 | lowkey | or read about it. |
| 18:44.13 | mc__ | TTT: run xfs_repair on it |
| 18:44.17 | lowkey | it should work but i've got no experience with it. |
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| 18:44.41 | mc__ | TTT: and trust xfs i've been using it for 3 years if you dont power off your pc without shutting down it wont make problems |
| 18:44.46 | garotosopa | I hope it is as much (un?)stable as the 486 on amd64 |
| 18:45.02 | fantomas | I've installed a package wich depends on unexistent libdbus-1-2 using dpkg -i --force-depends <package>. Now everytime I try to install something apt-get claims it want to remove that package. How to make it stop doing this? |
| 18:45.02 | lowkey | garotosopa: might be better |
| 18:45.04 | guybrush | (Urgent) Hi i installed a new kernel-image now rebooted the system and it doesn't boot says: cannot mount selected partition - fs 0x07 |
| 18:45.10 | lowkey | garotosopa: only one way to find out. |
| 18:45.15 | TTT | mc__: ok, as soon as I get a bootable CD, because that is on my root. I had some reiserfs3 filesystems totaly destroyed by its recovery tools, i trust xfs_repair doesn't do that? |
| 18:45.24 | garotosopa | lets see then |
| 18:45.53 | mc__ | TTT: you can never be totally sure,but many people complain about reiserfs,not so with XFS |
| 18:46.06 | guybrush | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.15 | mc__ | reiserFS just sucks IMHO |
| 18:46.18 | TTT | mc__: ok, thanks |
| 18:46.27 | mc__ | TTT: you're welcome |
| 18:47.09 | lvalue | any idea how to get my sound back? I'm getting this: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp -- cat: write error: Input/output error |
| 18:48.01 | guybrush | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:48.54 | maddash | guybrush: which image is this? custom-compiled? |
| 18:49.10 | guybrush | picked from a site called mepis |
| 18:49.12 | guybrush | btw |
| 18:49.13 | guybrush | my pc |
| 18:49.16 | guybrush | don't boot |
| 18:49.24 | guybrush | either with old image |
| 18:49.45 | lowkey | bbiab. |
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| 18:51.09 | maddash | guybrush: maybe you should ask in #mepis |
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| 18:51.43 | maddash | guybrush: but it sounds like the kernel doesn't support that partition type |
| 18:51.43 | fantomas | Here is my error: http://pastebin.ca/344401 (addition to overriding depends question) |
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| 18:52.22 | Azar | wow lilo / or / kernel 2.6.18 borks in etch! |
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| 18:53.05 | maddash | Azar: is that good or bad? |
| 18:53.41 | Azar | maddash: I guess is only for RAID users... RAID allways gave problems. If is lilo, no biggie people now using grub but if is 2.6.18... not good |
| 18:54.14 | garotosopa | fantomas, apt-get -f install ? |
| 18:54.43 | fantomas | garotosopa: no, it want to remove compiz which I dont want |
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| 18:54.48 | Persilon | Hi |
| 18:55.00 | Azar | I'm gonna say it again: the best PC hardware is the one who works on any OS , and have their drivers well tested ( see the word "old" ) |
| 18:55.04 | garotosopa | fantomas, apt-get install libdbus ? |
| 18:55.18 | fantomas | garotosopa: it depends on libdsub-1-2 while libdsub-1-3 is just fine. |
| 18:55.29 | fantomas | garotosopa: hmm |
| 18:55.32 | Azar | fantomas: try using "aptitude install" command next time |
| 18:55.53 | garotosopa | yeah I learned that the worst way ^^ |
| 18:56.01 | fantomas | garotosopa: libdbus is not repository |
| 18:56.04 | Persilon | Hi |
| 18:56.04 | fantomas | in |
| 18:56.22 | Persilon | I need to make a init.d script to mount a smb drive, this is the script: http://pastebin.ca/344406 |
| 18:56.36 | Persilon | If I run it mannually, it works but it doesn't do it on boot |
| 18:56.45 | ofer0 | Azar, I don't know what you're talking about. I've been using RAID for more than a year (software RAID), and it works great with no problems at all. |
| 18:56.53 | Persilon | I did ln -s /etc/init.d/mount-samba /etc/rc2.d/S21mount-samba |
| 18:56.57 | fantomas | Azar: why? I can't use aptitude, its scares me |
| 18:56.57 | Persilon | any ideas ? |
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| 18:57.08 | Azar | ofer0: your lucky , others not so lucky |
| 18:57.11 | TTT | Persilon: um, why don't you use /etc/fstab? |
| 18:57.17 | vulture | fantomas: Use it exactly the same way you use apt-get. |
| 18:57.36 | ofer0 | Azar, I'm not lucky, I just read the docs. |
| 18:57.59 | Azar | fantomas: read this and lose your fears: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 18:58.32 | lvalue | can somebody help me to restore the sound? this is the strace of the test i try to do: http://rafb.net/p/iHUx2B94.html |
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| 18:58.41 | Justin | fantomas: don't run aptitude, just use it from the commandline in place of 'apt-get' |
| 18:58.59 | fantomas | vulture: Azar Justin - ok, thanks |
| 18:59.04 | ofer0 | notice that aptitude does not have super cow powers. |
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| 18:59.26 | Justin | lvalue: strace is useless for that |
| 18:59.45 | garotosopa | well kernel upgraded now lets reboot. Ohh god I promise that if it works I will not download porn today. Ok I will download but I will not watch it. |
| 19:00.12 | lowkey | fantomas: found a solution yet? if not i just thought of one. |
| 19:00.26 | lvalue | Justin, got some other suggestions then ? |
| 19:00.36 | Persilon | TTT: //192.168.0.33/E /cdrom smbfs uid=1002,gid=100,passwd= 0 0 doesn't work |
| 19:00.47 | fantomas | lowkey: go on, still loocking for solution ) |
| 19:00.55 | Persilon | TTT: automatically, if I do mount -t smbfs -a it does |
| 19:01.02 | lowkey | fantomas: ok. are you aware of equivs packages? |
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| 19:01.09 | TTT | strange, maybe some kernel modules missing or something |
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| 19:01.37 | MsgToThePpl | hi where ican find a good >=2.6.17 kernel-image ? |
| 19:01.45 | lowkey | fantomas: basically equivs packages are used as markers for code you install from source so apt-get and dpkg can know about them. |
| 19:01.47 | stew | MsgToThePpl: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 19:02.00 | lowkey | fantomas: but in this case you can place a marker that says something is installed that isn't. |
| 19:02.09 | Azar | MsgToThePpl: apt-cache search kernel-image (in sarge) ... linux-image (in etch) |
| 19:02.11 | lowkey | fantomas: read this --> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html#s-equivs |
| 19:02.35 | MsgToThePpl | sarge 3.1 |
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| 19:02.40 | MsgToThePpl | kernel 2.6.8 |
| 19:02.40 | stew | MsgToThePpl: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:02.51 | CharminTheMoose | how can i find what package a file is in? namely chroot |
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| 19:03.04 | abrotman | !search |
| 19:03.04 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 19:03.08 | MsgToThePpl | back port is enabled |
| 19:03.09 | lowkey | CharminTheMoose: apt-file search <pattern> |
| 19:03.10 | stew | CharminTheMoose: "dpkg -S file" if its installed, if its not install /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:03.23 | lowkey | abrotman: wrong search. |
| 19:03.23 | stew | MsgToThePpl: what cpu do you have? |
| 19:03.26 | PupenoR | Is it possible with find to get all files older than a certain date? |
| 19:03.27 | MsgToThePpl | p 3 |
| 19:03.30 | MsgToThePpl | 1.0 ghz |
| 19:03.30 | lowkey | CharminTheMoose: or theres a dpkg flag. |
| 19:03.31 | abrotman | lowkey: no it's not |
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| 19:03.51 | stew | MsgToThePpl: aptitude install -t sarge-backports linux-image-2.6.17-686 |
| 19:03.56 | lowkey | dpkg -S <filename> |
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| 19:03.57 | dpkg | Package: <filename>: Status: install ok installed |
| 19:04.05 | abrotman | lowkey: did you actually read the whole thing ? |
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| 19:04.12 | lowkey | abrotman: which thing? |
| 19:04.18 | Azar | teeeheee! that was a nice big spoon stew |
| 19:04.20 | abrotman | why is it the wrong search ? |
| 19:04.20 | fantomas | lowkey: very nice idea! trying... |
| 19:04.28 | stew | MsgToThePpl: err aptitude install -t sarge-backports linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 19:04.28 | MsgToThePpl | it says it willremove 87 packs |
| 19:04.30 | lowkey | abrotman: nope. i'm lazy. |
| 19:04.32 | lowkey | ;) |
| 19:04.35 | abrotman | i figured as much |
| 19:04.49 | stew | MsgToThePpl: you'll also have to install udev / grub / initramfs-tools from backports, probably |
| 19:04.54 | Azar | woop nice to know backported kernels use linux-image |
| 19:05.26 | MsgToThePpl | aptitude says it will remove something |
| 19:05.40 | stew | MsgToThePpl: put the output of aptitude into a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:05.45 | Azar | MsgToThePpl: aptitude cleans up while gets new installs |
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| 19:06.29 | rhsanborn | Any of you IRC denizens know of a good channel for hardware related issues (mainboard/cpu) |
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| 19:06.37 | Azar | so abrotman... |
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| 19:06.50 | abrotman | Azar: ? |
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| 19:06.55 | Azar | my question to you is: when is your birthday? |
| 19:07.01 | abrotman | rhsanborn: #hardware .. oddly |
| 19:07.05 | abrotman | Azar: in october |
| 19:07.07 | rhsanborn | abrotman :P thanks |
| 19:07.14 | Azar | cool thanks I will be prepared |
| 19:07.26 | MsgToThePpl | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5296. |
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| 19:07.42 | ilyak_ | Hi everyone! |
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| 19:08.08 | ilyak_ | I have troubles enabling passwordless users to login X via KDM |
| 19:08.36 | ilyak_ | It applies root rules to them, for some reason. |
| 19:09.04 | ilyak_ | Requiring secure tty and so on. |
| 19:09.06 | Azar | maybe they are members of the wheel account? |
| 19:09.08 | ilyak_ | Why? |
| 19:09.20 | ilyak_ | Azar: No, same user with password logins as usual |
| 19:09.29 | ilyak_ | Without password == needs secure tty |
| 19:09.37 | ilyak_ | And can't login when root login is disabled |
| 19:10.38 | MsgToThePpl | stew what's wrong in my aptitude ? |
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| 19:12.11 | stew | MsgToThePpl: I'd recommend running the aptitude frontend (type just "aptitude" on the command line) in order to work out the depencies |
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| 19:12.35 | MsgToThePpl | i guess why aptitude want to remove core components |
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| 19:13.20 | stew | MsgToThePpl: you should explicitly install grub from backports as well |
| 19:14.00 | stew | MsgToThePpl: can you pastebin the output of "LANG=c apt-cache policy libc6" ? |
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| 19:14.48 | MsgToThePpl | grub is already installed |
| 19:15.11 | MsgToThePpl | lang=it-it |
| 19:15.53 | stew | MsgToThePpl: you cannot use your current version of grub with a 2.6.17 kenrel from debian. you have to explicitly install the one from backports.org |
| 19:16.15 | fantomas | lowkey: all is done, works just fine, apt feels ok now :) |
| 19:16.24 | fantomas | lowkey: thank you very much |
| 19:16.27 | lowkey | fantomas: np. |
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| 19:18.37 | mzperx | Hi ! I don't know how to kill k3b. I used "killall k3b", "killall -s TERM k3b", "kill 13036" and "ps ax | grep k3b" is still : |
| 19:18.41 | mzperx | 4397 ? Z 0:07 [k3b] <defunct> |
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| 19:18.55 | mzperx | 13036 ? D 0:01 k3b |
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| 19:19.12 | mc__ | mzperx: killall k3b -9 |
| 19:19.14 | fantomas | mzperx: reboot? :) |
| 19:19.19 | lowkey | mzperx: use pstree to see what k3b's parent app is. you often have to kill that to kill zombies. |
| 19:19.35 | lowkey | mzperx: just be careful not to kill kde or init. |
| 19:19.37 | lowkey | :) |
| 19:19.50 | lowkey | or whatever window manager you use. |
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| 19:20.21 | stew | mzperx: the "D" there means uninterruptable sleep. you can't kill the process until the IO it is waiting on has completed |
| 19:20.35 | Flimzy | Is it not possible to mount a unionfs below another unionfs? i.e. if / is a union, can I not mount another unionfs on /mnt? |
| 19:20.43 | karmatronic | has alacarte ver worked ? |
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| 19:20.50 | karmatronic | s/ver/ever |
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| 19:24.34 | tuxub | what is the package name where the samba.schema can be found for the openldap server? |
| 19:24.36 | mzperx | stew, k3b hanged up during startup, so there was no IO operation (at least not what I initiated), how long should I wait ? |
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| 19:25.02 | prock | is there a quick way to recursively import trusted/signed keys to build a web of trust on my local system? |
| 19:25.09 | stew | mzperx: you will likely never be able to kill it |
| 19:25.22 | maddash | s\hanged\hung |
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| 19:27.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:27.20 | mzperx | lowkey, the parent app is kdeinit so now I try to restart kde. Still better than reboot... Thanks guys ! |
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| 19:27.39 | HardDisk_WP | how do I make Debian to print out the stuff it prints at boot to /dev/pr0? |
| 19:27.49 | HardDisk_WP | and how do I interface with a device attached to COM port 1? |
| 19:28.44 | mindframe | what should i use to format a partition w/ ext3 ? |
| 19:28.55 | stew | mindframe: mkfs.ext3 |
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| 19:29.50 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: you just need to pass a kernel argument that tells the kernel that you've got a serial console there. |
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| 19:30.19 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, it is not a console, rather an atached pda. the stuff with the output of boot msg is something other |
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| 19:30.53 | Myk0 | anyone here help me out with a PPC debian install problem |
| 19:31.03 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, anything like windows' hyperterminal on debian? |
| 19:31.19 | abrotman | Myk0: be more specific please |
| 19:31.49 | Myk0 | i have downloaded debian ppc and ubuntu ppc, and when ever i reboot with the install cd , it loads the cd and stalls my computer in a WHITE screen |
| 19:31.58 | Myk0 | tried reseting nvram and PRAM power management doesnt help |
| 19:32.04 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: I think minicom is alot nicer to use (for what I use it for anyway |
| 19:32.19 | h3sp4wn | HardDisk_WP: (for your purposes it should do what you want) |
| 19:32.23 | Myk0 | any ideas guys? |
| 19:32.27 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: try minicom |
| 19:32.39 | lowkey | HardDisk_WP: minicom or cutecom in the console. or gtkcom in the GUI |
| 19:32.40 | sepski | Myk0, have you asked in #debianppc ? |
| 19:32.46 | Myk0 | nope |
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| 19:32.58 | HardDisk_WP | thanks dondelelcaro lowkey h3sp4wn |
| 19:33.23 | Myk0 | i think im the only person using ppc with this problem, i started a post on the ubuntu forum and 18 ppl responded no 1 can figure it out |
| 19:33.29 | HardDisk_WP | now only one issue left..what about printing the boot messages and all stuff which comes in dmesg to /dev/pr0? |
| 19:33.40 | HardDisk_WP | !ubuntu? |
| 19:33.40 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 19:33.47 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 19:33.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 19:34.05 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: again, you have to do that using the console argument to the kernel. |
| 19:34.07 | Myk0 | doesnt reeally help |
| 19:34.19 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: the only thing that it will print to are serial consoles. If /dev/pr0 isn't a serial console, then it won't work. |
| 19:34.22 | Myk0 | i know there are alot of linux ports, but no 1 has answers for me |
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| 19:34.44 | dondelelcaro | Myk0: does the white screen say anything? |
| 19:34.44 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, it's a parallel port as there is a printer attached. but in normal console "echo test > /dev/pr0" works |
| 19:34.59 | Myk0 | nope |
| 19:35.05 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: well, it may work, but you'd continually be printing stuff there. |
| 19:35.06 | Myk0 | one time i got a circle with a cross going through it |
| 19:35.14 | dondelelcaro | Myk0: which install cd? |
| 19:35.15 | Myk0 | even tried booting from open firmware still doesnt work |
| 19:35.22 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, why that? |
| 19:35.31 | Myk0 | i used debian 3.0 3.1r4 ubuntu 6.10 6.06 |
| 19:35.34 | Myk0 | they all lead to the same place |
| 19:35.37 | Myk0 | even gentoo |
| 19:35.38 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: because it's a console. |
| 19:35.55 | dondelelcaro | Myk0: which powerpc? |
| 19:35.59 | h3sp4wn | Myk0: what type of ppc ? embedded ? |
| 19:36.17 | Myk0 | powerbook g4 1.33ghz |
| 19:36.40 | Myk0 | i hope that answered your question not sure what embeded is |
| 19:36.50 | dondelelcaro | Myk0: try the etch netinst, but I've personally never had that problem with that model of computer. |
| 19:37.22 | Myk0 | i think its my hardware having a problem booting any type of linux cd |
| 19:37.41 | Myk0 | i cant figure out why , i think the netisnt will result in the same result |
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| 19:38.52 | h3sp4wn | Myk0: embedded would be on a kurobox or something similar (definately not on ibm power or a mac) |
| 19:39.16 | Flimzy | I have 4 directories, all with *some* overlapping files, and I would like to create a list of the unique and *newest* files only... What's the best way to do this? |
| 19:39.24 | Myk0 | could it be hardware related that i cannot boot a linux cd ?? |
| 19:39.36 | Myk0 | and its funny cuz it mount in osx properly too |
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| 19:42.32 | charolastra | hi people |
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| 19:42.58 | charolastra | can someone tell me where iceape looks for its plugins? is it supposed to be ~/.mozilla/plutins? |
| 19:43.32 | zinx | charolastra: should look everywhere that mozilla looked |
| 19:43.34 | junix-other | has anyone gottne the latest nvidia drivers on unstable yet? |
| 19:43.51 | Myk0 | dondelelcaro: could it be because i havnt setup a partition for linux yet and am testing it on the current osx install? |
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| 19:44.17 | valdyn | junix-other: why do you care? |
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| 19:44.24 | PAK-9 | I am trying to install ALSA to get my soundcard working, is it absolutely necessary for me to rebuild my kernel? |
| 19:44.26 | junix-other | valdyn: cause i want to use my nvidia card |
| 19:44.27 | charolastra | zinx: well, i guess it looked in .mozilla but it ignores the things in the plugin subfolder |
| 19:44.33 | valdyn | junix-other: so use it |
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| 19:44.40 | stew | PAK-9: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:44.59 | junix-other | valdyn: i was going to put the latest version on from nvidia, but i've been told that was bad |
| 19:45.06 | PAK-9 | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 19:45.16 | valdyn | junix-other: it is, use the drivers packaged in experimental, they work fine |
| 19:45.19 | stew | PAK-9: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 19:45.34 | junix-other | valdyn: with what kernel do they work fine with? |
| 19:45.35 | PAK-9 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:45.40 | charolastra | or where did you people put the .so of the flash 9 plugin? |
| 19:45.52 | valdyn | junix-other: from whatever nvidia claims up to 2.6.20 |
| 19:45.59 | junix-other | k |
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| 19:46.09 | PAK-9 | 2.4 alsa... |
| 19:46.17 | valdyn | charolastra: we use the debian package |
| 19:46.25 | stew | dpkg: tell PAK-9 about 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 19:46.31 | valdyn | charolastra: ~/.firefox/plugins/ should work too |
| 19:47.18 | charolastra | but iceape is not firefox |
| 19:47.30 | valdyn | charolastra: ~/.iceape/plugins ? |
| 19:47.42 | charolastra | that one is not existing |
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| 19:48.00 | perlmonk | Iceape is Mozilla |
| 19:48.04 | valdyn | charolastra: probably still ~/.mozilla/ |
| 19:48.09 | PAK-9 | aha, thank you I shall try it out |
| 19:48.33 | valdyn | !info flashplugin-nonfree etch |
| 19:48.35 | dpkg | flashplugin-nonfree: (Adobe Flash Player plugin installer), section contrib/web, is optional. Version: 9.0.31.0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
| 19:48.52 | valdyn | charolastra: now why don't you use the debian package? |
| 19:49.16 | charolastra | which one? the flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 19:49.38 | charolastra | k |
| 19:49.44 | Myk0 | is there any way to install ppc linux not off a livecd? |
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| 19:50.02 | zinx | you could use an install cd. |
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| 19:50.26 | Myk0 | i cannot use a install cd, it cannot be read |
| 19:50.36 | Myk0 | maybe off the hd , and run yaboot locally? |
| 19:50.37 | zinx | make one that can be read? |
| 19:50.48 | zinx | you know you have to press a button to make it boot off a cd, right? |
| 19:50.49 | Azar | crazy_penguin: turn "away/back" off in here please |
| 19:50.55 | Myk0 | zinx: i have burnt 11 cds of different version of linux my ppc comp wont read them |
| 19:51.03 | Myk0 | zinx: yes i do |
| 19:51.08 | zinx | get a new ppc comp or replace the cd drive :/ |
| 19:51.18 | Myk0 | my computer freezes up into a white screen right when i load any linux |
| 19:51.19 | zinx | or burn them properly instead of burning them wrong every time :D |
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| 19:51.26 | crazy_penguin | oh |
| 19:51.28 | crazy_penguin | sorry |
| 19:51.39 | Myk0 | zinx: they are burt properly using disk utility and comfirmed md5s |
| 19:51.42 | zinx | Myk0: that may be some incompatibility with something |
| 19:51.43 | crazy_penguin | sorry Azar i forgot |
| 19:51.49 | Myk0 | thats the problem |
| 19:51.58 | Myk0 | the cdrom reads the osx dvds no problem just not any linux |
| 19:51.59 | zinx | Myk0: in which case installing from other media isn't going to help |
| 19:52.00 | Azar | crazy_penguin: it's ok for a first offence :) |
| 19:52.09 | Myk0 | zinx: any suggestions? |
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| 19:52.16 | zinx | what CDs are you using? |
| 19:52.19 | crazy_penguin | lol |
| 19:52.21 | Myk0 | LG media |
| 19:52.28 | Myk0 | but i tried on other media as well |
| 19:52.28 | crazy_penguin | ok it won't happen again |
| 19:52.29 | zinx | erh, i should have said: |
| 19:52.33 | zinx | what CD images are you using? |
| 19:52.44 | Myk0 | ubuntu isos , debian isos gentoo etc |
| 19:52.53 | zinx | which debian isos specificly |
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| 19:53.00 | zinx | (can't help with the others here.) |
| 19:53.01 | Myk0 | they mount in osx proper but it seems as if yaboot doesnt work |
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| 19:53.11 | Myk0 | zinx debina 3.0 and 3.1r4 |
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| 19:53.25 | phet | Hi |
| 19:53.32 | zinx | Myk0: there are a lot of cd images for those versions. |
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| 19:53.37 | phet | what drivers are for ati cards? |
| 19:53.42 | Myk0 | the PPC versions of those |
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| 19:53.57 | Myk0 | regardless of the iso, no linux boot cd works on this system for some odd reason |
| 19:54.10 | zinx | Myk0: there are a lot of PPC versions of those... :/ |
| 19:54.18 | Myk0 | i know |
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| 19:54.30 | zinx | this is like pulling teeth :x |
| 19:54.35 | Myk0 | zinx: are u running a ppc system? |
| 19:54.42 | Ronin | !ppc |
| 19:54.43 | dpkg | [ppc] is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 19:54.53 | ShawnWRoy | I am new to debian and I am downloading the DVD images with bitorrent, my question is: is there a difference between debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso & debian-31r4-i386-binary-2.iso |
| 19:55.07 | ShawnWRoy | or are they the same? |
| 19:55.15 | Ronin | ShawnWRoy: yes there is, extra apps on disk 2 |
| 19:55.22 | ShawnWRoy | oh ok thanks |
| 19:55.25 | mc__ | does the linux kernel do hardware detection?or is that all done in userspace? |
| 19:55.34 | zinx | ShawnWRoy: just do a net install |
| 19:55.40 | Ronin | ShawnWRoy: you have highseppd? you dont need the dvd then |
| 19:55.42 | zinx | ShawnWRoy: unless you really need the media around |
| 19:55.44 | mc__ | i googled but i did not find anything really usefull |
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| 19:55.52 | ShawnWRoy | yeah I need the media |
| 19:56.00 | Ronin | ahh in that case happy dling |
| 19:56.04 | ShawnWRoy | the box I will be instaling on wont have interent to begin with |
| 19:56.42 | abrotman | !d-i ShawnWRoy |
| 19:56.42 | dpkg | ShawnWRoy, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 19:57.10 | Azar | mc__ depends on what Debian version .. |
| 19:57.24 | zinx | Myk0: what system are you using to burn the CDs? |
| 19:57.32 | Myk0 | disk utility |
| 19:57.39 | zinx | Myk0: erh, what OS? |
| 19:57.42 | Myk0 | and tried with toast as well |
| 19:57.42 | Ronin | Myk0: and how are you burnign them as well |
| 19:57.42 | Myk0 | osx |
| 19:57.44 | mc__ | Azar: im not debian specific,since what version does the kernel to hardware detection? |
| 19:58.02 | Myk0 | Ronin: tried at 4x 2x all as iso's |
| 19:58.05 | zinx | dang i don't remember what the cdrom device for OS X is |
| 19:58.06 | Azar | mc__ on the old Debian, Woody most of them were "discovered" with the exception of sound and video drivers |
| 19:58.07 | phet | how can I set my screen to 1440x900? |
| 19:59.30 | Ronin | Myk0: burned as image? |
| 19:59.30 | Ronin | or did i miss your answer? |
| 19:59.30 | zinx | oh, it varies apparently |
| 19:59.31 | Myk0 | yes |
| 19:59.31 | Azar | mc__ the 2.6.8 does a good job, anything higher does a better yet job |
| 19:59.31 | mc__ | Azar: may you point me out a link to that topic or a got keyword to search for? |
| 19:59.31 | Azar | Sarge uses something named "discover", Etch uses udev |
| 19:59.31 | Azar | mc__ lets talk Etch then holdon |
| 19:59.33 | zinx | Myk0: open up a 'Terminal' and md5sum /dev/disk1s0 |
| 19:59.41 | zinx | Myk0: or whatever your cdrom device is |
| 19:59.51 | zinx | Myk0: with one of the install CDs you have the md5sum for.. make sure it matches |
| 19:59.53 | Myk0 | zinx i did that already the md5s check out fine.. |
| 20:00.01 | zinx | Myk0: on the CD device node, not the iso? |
| 20:00.02 | Myk0 | i checked it twice :P |
| 20:00.08 | Myk0 | yea |
| 20:00.10 | zinx | k |
| 20:00.34 | zinx | Myk0: maybe #debianppc will know? :X |
| 20:00.40 | Myk0 | zinx: on a side not my system is not partitioned for linux yet, i just wanted to test out the livecds so they work first |
| 20:00.46 | Myk0 | could this be leading to the problem |
| 20:00.58 | zinx | Myk0: no |
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| 20:01.16 | zinx | Myk0: as long as you've got the CD in and you press the key to boot from it when it boots, it shouldn't even require a hard drive |
| 20:01.16 | Myk0 | is there a way i can run the installed off the hd instead of cd? |
| 20:01.27 | Myk0 | zinx: so weird hmm |
| 20:01.35 | zinx | Myk0: there is a way, but it's not easy. |
| 20:01.56 | Myk0 | zinx: i seem to be out of options ....... |
| 20:02.11 | zinx | Myk0: and requires you to be able to do one of the following: boot a suitable OS from the CD, boot from the hard drive with a suitable OS already, or install it on the hard drive with a different computer |
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| 20:02.31 | zinx | Myk0: and there are no step-by-step instructions for it. |
| 20:02.36 | Azar | mc__ maybe this will help? http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT8143350649.html |
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| 20:03.00 | zinx | Myk0: you'll have to know how to compile/install your own kernel and make a simple system capable of running the debian installer |
| 20:03.12 | dondelelcaro | Myk0: when do you see the white screen? is it imediately after the computer starts accessing the drive? or does it take a while? |
| 20:03.22 | zinx | Myk0: you're much better off figuring out why it isn't loading |
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| 20:03.35 | mc__ | Azar: nope, I dont have problems with installing |
| 20:03.53 | Myk0 | dondelelcaro: right after it starts reading the disk, it flickers into the screen as if its loading osx then goes to a pure white screen frozen |
| 20:04.01 | mc__ | Azar: i was just discussing with a guy if hardware detection is done in the kernel or only with distribution specific userspace utilities |
| 20:04.06 | Myk0 | doesnt take a while when the disk is in |
| 20:04.33 | zinx | Myk0: (also, installing from the hard drive probably won't fix anything, unless the CD drive is broken anyway..) |
| 20:04.48 | Myk0 | hmm |
| 20:04.58 | Myk0 | zinx: it must be a hardware issue.. |
| 20:05.21 | nn-main | what is a good file shareing system for linux ( basically a extreamly easy to setup and admin network mountable harddrive |
| 20:05.31 | Azar | mc__ as I browse through that article, I do not see any issues with recognizing hardware from where I deduct it is automatically read by the installer |
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| 20:06.00 | Azar | errr the kernel was 2.6.17 default I guess |
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| 20:06.37 | Myk0 | dondelelcaro: were you on to something there? |
| 20:07.01 | dondelelcaro | Myk0: the question was really whether it actually started to execute the kernel or not. |
| 20:07.03 | Azar | heck linux-image-2.6-686 heh strange.. just a2.6 |
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| 20:07.25 | Myk0 | i dont think so , no |
| 20:07.29 | ianm_ | how do you get the new time zone rule on debian? |
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| 20:08.14 | Azar | mc__ on my personal experience since sarge there is a very little chance you have to do it in userland... the 2.6.8 default kernel in sarge does it, but will NOT do it for SATA. Starting 2.6.17... I guess there is no issue |
| 20:08.26 | HardDisk_WP | does apt-get or any other program support a download option?? |
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| 20:08.35 | streuner | ianm_: what? |
| 20:08.37 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 20:08.43 | HardDisk_WP | i want to get the .deb's for debian sarge for cutecom... |
| 20:08.54 | HardDisk_WP | and for all packages it depends |
| 20:09.00 | dondelelcaro | Myk0: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch04s05.html.en#files-newworld is the instructions for harddrive booting; you should spend some time reading it. |
| 20:09.02 | ugly | One of my thumb drives isn't being recognized by its serial number with udev. What would cause this? I have 3 usb storage devices managed with udev, the other two mount fine in their respective aliases (e.g. /dev/mp3player). |
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| 20:09.29 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: use "aptitude install <yourpackagename>" |
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| 20:09.54 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, not possible, I have to download the packages for a system w/o LAN |
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| 20:10.06 | riot | hello |
| 20:10.08 | ianm_ | streuner: we've seen some odd timezone behavior for things starting March 11th, then I see this http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/daylight_time.html, which says "In 2007, daylight time begins on March 11 and ends on November 4. [New law goes into effect.]" |
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| 20:10.14 | riot | how do i install sid as net-install again? |
| 20:10.17 | HardDisk_WP | i need the cutecom pkg and all it's recursive dependencies |
| 20:10.19 | Myk0 | how do i check my deviced in a shell to which which dev is what |
| 20:10.21 | PAK-9 | E: Couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 20:10.35 | PAK-9 | I am running with testing sources |
| 20:10.42 | ianm_ | streuner: so I assume an update is needed for the new timezone 'law' ? |
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| 20:10.47 | zinx | ugly: does it have a serial number? |
| 20:10.49 | stew | PAK-9: 2.4 isn't supported in testing. /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 20:10.51 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: define please "w/o LAN" |
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| 20:11.04 | ugly | zinx: according to lsusb, it's 0000028164 |
| 20:11.07 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, no possibility to connect it to LAN |
| 20:11.21 | Shaezsche | how can i change the default powernowd governor at boot? its currently ondemand, when i boot on AC i want conservative |
| 20:11.22 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: then subsequently no connection ? |
| 20:11.25 | PAK-9 | so if I dont upgrade to etch, I can install alsa? |
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| 20:11.47 | Azar | no internet connection, HardDisk_WP ? |
| 20:11.51 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, yep |
| 20:11.55 | streuner | ianm_: that URL is pretty dead, and i have no idea what you talking about. |
| 20:11.59 | stew | PAK-9: in stable, you can install alsa modules for 2.4. alsa is already included in any debian 2.6 kernel |
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| 20:12.16 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: when there is no internet connection , the word "download" is useless |
| 20:12.21 | zinx | ugly: try udevinfo |
| 20:12.24 | PAK-9 | I had to upgrade to testing to get the nvidia drivers :[ |
| 20:12.43 | Guerin | PAK-9: this surprises you why? |
| 20:12.44 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, i want to download the packages on my USB stick and transport the stick to the computer |
| 20:12.49 | Ny-Ty | what is super button in beryl |
| 20:12.54 | Guerin | HardDisk_WP: apt-move |
| 20:12.55 | Azar | HardDisk_WP: your only chance is to have someone with an internet connection burn that package to a CD then you can install it from your cd |
| 20:13.47 | PaSurf | I am having issues with my SSH keys for remote backups. For some reason I can get into the remote server without a password using the ssh key, but not through the backup-manager program. Error says check root's ssh keys on host x.x.x.x. Any ideas on how to remedy this issue? |
| 20:13.47 | Azar | mister Guerinnnn!! :) |
| 20:13.47 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: beryl isn't in debian, ask someone who cares. |
| 20:13.47 | HardDisk_WP | Azar, exactly this I want to do myself. |
| 20:13.47 | PAK-9 | its surprises me because why the fuck do they release a 'stable' version that doesnt support my video card or sound card |
| 20:13.47 | Ny-Ty | beryl is in debian |
| 20:13.47 | Ny-Ty | i have it :-) |
| 20:13.47 | streuner | Ny-Ty: there is #beryl |
| 20:13.47 | Ny-Ty | ok |
| 20:13.47 | streuner | !info beryl |
| 20:13.47 | PAK-9 | forcing me to update to testing and now apparently to etch |
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| 20:13.50 | ugly | zinx: having trouble with the syntax - hold |
| 20:13.52 | Guerin | PAK-9: testing IS etch |
| 20:13.55 | streuner | Ny-Ty: it isn't in debian yet |
| 20:13.58 | zinx | ugly: udevinfo --name /dev/node-of-device --attribute-walk |
| 20:14.02 | Ny-Ty | why is not here |
| 20:14.06 | Guerin | PAK-9: and that's what you get when you need broken proprietary shite |
| 20:14.06 | ianm_ | streuner: http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21248542 |
| 20:14.09 | Ny-Ty | why is not in repository |
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| 20:14.18 | ugly | zinx: thanks |
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| 20:14.27 | PaSurf | how do I check if I have the same ssh keys on two servers that need to exchange information? |
| 20:14.27 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: because it's too broken |
| 20:14.32 | streuner | Ny-Ty: google for 'gravityboy' and read his blog |
| 20:14.33 | Ny-Ty | broken ? |
| 20:14.35 | ma3x | hi, I get these alerts. what do they mean? is it something serious ? alert kernel: Intrusion -> IN=ppp_8_35_1 OUT= MAC= SRC=64.234.35.134 DST=89.82.249.82 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=114 ID=45883 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=3098 DPT=139 WINDOW=16384 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 20:14.52 | ugly | zinx: ATTRS{serial}=="0000028164" |
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| 20:15.11 | Guerin | ma3x: check that IP address, see if you have any business with it |
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| 20:15.33 | ximo | hi |
| 20:15.43 | Guerin | ma3x: port 139 is netbios, which is a commonly-exploited windows service |
| 20:15.44 | qdk | im trying to install Debian etch RC1 and I downloaded the netinst iso today. But both in VMware and on a real machine it seems to stall/stop at 5% in the "Select and install software". How can I fix this? |
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| 20:15.58 | Guerin | qdk: use a more up-to-date installer |
| 20:16.05 | PAK-9 | so I should do what Guerin? go and give the hardware manafacturers a stern talking to? this isnt MY fault |
| 20:16.07 | ugly | zinx: I'll try with a different attribute |
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| 20:16.39 | Guerin | PAK-9: use the free drivers, or buy a video card whose opengl drivers are free and supported |
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| 20:16.50 | zinx | ugly: note too that debian auto-creates nodes at /dev/disk/{by-id,by-label,by-path,by-uuid}/ |
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| 20:17.09 | PaSurf | I am having issues with my SSH keys for remote backups. For some reason I can get into the remote server without a password using the ssh key, but not through the backup-manager program. Error says check root's ssh keys on host x.x.x.x. Any ideas on how to remedy this issue? |
| 20:17.14 | qdk | Guerin: i JUST downloaded it?!? |
| 20:17.24 | PAK-9 | all I want to do is install sound and video drivers |
| 20:17.34 | Guerin | qdk: i can download an installer from 1997, that don't make it new. |
| 20:17.57 | Guerin | PAK-9: debian comes with sound and video drivers already. |
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| 20:18.23 | PAK-9 | well the sound drivers dont work for me |
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| 20:18.31 | PAK-9 | so I need alsa I am guessing |
| 20:18.40 | stew | PAK-9: what sound card do you have? |
| 20:18.46 | Guerin | PAK-9: alsa is in debian stable. |
| 20:18.47 | ma3x | Guerin: I checked the IP address, but I get flooded with different. one is located in NL, another in USA ... |
| 20:18.50 | stew | PAK-9: did you follow the "2.4 alsa one-liner"? |
| 20:18.50 | PAK-9 | a soundblaster audigy 2 |
| 20:18.56 | Guerin | PAK-9: there are also updated kernels available. |
| 20:19.03 | ximo | im trying to allow ssh connections from internet someone knows how to do it? |
| 20:19.15 | PAK-9 | stew: E: Couldn't find package alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 20:19.16 | Ronin | ximo: install openssh |
| 20:19.23 | ximo | i did it |
| 20:19.30 | Guerin | PAK-9: use kernel-image-2.6-* |
| 20:19.32 | PaSurf | ximo: firewall? |
| 20:19.32 | ugly | zinx: and /etc/init.d/udev restart is sufficient to make udev parse changes in the rules.d folder? |
| 20:19.36 | Ronin | -server to be precise |
| 20:19.40 | stew | PAK-9: do you have testing sources or stable sources? |
| 20:19.41 | Guerin | ma3x: you might consider firewalling off those ports |
| 20:19.43 | qdk | Guerin: i said etch RC1! |
| 20:19.44 | PAK-9 | apt-get distro-update? |
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| 20:19.45 | Ronin | ximo: ports in firewall open? |
| 20:19.48 | PAK-9 | testing sources |
| 20:19.50 | Guerin | qYES, which is OLD |
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| 20:19.56 | stew | PAK-9: are you running testing or stable? |
| 20:19.57 | zinx | ugly: i doubt it |
| 20:20.02 | ximo | i didnt install a firewall |
| 20:20.05 | Ronin | qdk: its rc4 now i think |
| 20:20.05 | Guerin | stew: it's moot now, since he already upgraded to testing |
| 20:20.08 | stew | PAK-9: there is no 2.4 support in testing, as I said before |
| 20:20.12 | Guerin | ximo: configure your sshd |
| 20:20.23 | PAK-9 | so do I have to upgrade to 2.6 |
| 20:20.25 | stew | PAK-9: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
| 20:20.25 | ximo | how? |
| 20:20.26 | ugly | zinx: ah, I'd rather not reboot though - any suggestions? |
| 20:20.27 | stew | PAK-9: NO |
| 20:20.37 | zinx | ugly: unplug/replug the device :) |
| 20:20.38 | Guerin | ximo: man sshd_config |
| 20:20.43 | qdk | Guerin: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <- so that page is seriously outdated? |
| 20:20.46 | aubergine | Hello, can anyone support me with a good spamassassin ruleset and bayas files for debian stable spamassassin? |
| 20:20.48 | stew | PAK-9: it depends on what version of debian you are running |
| 20:20.48 | ximo | oks thnx |
| 20:20.53 | ugly | zinx: and that makes it reparse the config file every time? |
| 20:20.59 | ma3x | Guerin: they are firewalled already, if you scan me, you'll see that port is stealth |
| 20:21.07 | zinx | ugly: Not sure, it may. you may need both the reload/restart and the unplug/replug. |
| 20:21.12 | Ronin | aubergine: looked on teh SA site? they have tons of docs and sxpamles there |
| 20:21.12 | Guerin | qdk: it's a release candidate. If you download it and it doesn't work, it means things have changed since it was built. I suggest using one of the daily images. |
| 20:21.16 | PaSurf | how do you check to see if the same ssh key is on both servers? is there a command to check the id_dsa or some md5 checksum? |
| 20:21.21 | PAK-9 | http://pastebin.ca/344514 |
| 20:21.35 | HardDisk_WP | marco@debian:~$ apt-cache search porn |
| 20:21.36 | HardDisk_WP | pornview - Image and movie viewer/manager |
| 20:21.40 | HardDisk_WP | *ROFLMAO* |
| 20:21.41 | PAK-9 | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 20:21.47 | Guerin | ma3x: netstat -paunt |grep :139 # anything? |
| 20:21.51 | stew | PAK-9: ok, you did in fact upgarde to testing, so yes, you do have to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
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| 20:22.07 | zinx | PaSurf: you could copy the trusted public key for one to the other, then connect to the other with ssh |
| 20:22.12 | PaSurf | trying to connect two debian servers together for backups, but having trouble connecting 1 of the 3 servers... |
| 20:22.17 | Guerin | ma3x: depending on your iptables settings, those ports might just be blocked and logged |
| 20:22.23 | ma3x | Guerin: nothing |
| 20:22.27 | zinx | PaSurf: all client-side |
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| 20:22.29 | gmcinnes | Hi all: Anyone know about problems getting sasl authentication working on debian? |
| 20:22.29 | PaSurf | zinx: I ran the scp to upload the id_dsa to the remote machine. |
| 20:22.39 | PAK-9 | I will give it a go, thx |
| 20:22.39 | zinx | PaSurf: well, then it's probably the same. |
| 20:22.43 | Guerin | ma3x: does your firewall block/log things it thinks are intrusion attempts? |
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| 20:22.44 | gmcinnes | postfix and ssh auth that is. |
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| 20:22.50 | qdk | Guerin: yes, i know... which is why i went to debians _main_ hp to get it. |
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| 20:22.55 | zinx | PaSurf: you need to copy the id_dsa.pub too though |
| 20:23.13 | MsgToThePpl | hi can someone tell me why i can't use my card reader ? (mean i can see its name in lsusb and dmesg but nothing in fdisk -l ) ' |
| 20:23.20 | PaSurf | zinx: then when I try to use the backup-remote program, I get an error about checking the roots ssh keys. I did upload the id_dsa.pub .. |
| 20:23.36 | Guerin | qdk: so ... a release candidate isn't guaranteed to work. If it doesn't, your recourse is to use a more up-to-date installer. |
| 20:23.54 | ma3x | Guerin: maybe I don't know. it's set to log critical things |
| 20:23.56 | PaSurf | zinx: so I guess I have the trusts set up properly, but not sure why I get the errors for the remote-backups... |
| 20:24.02 | khaleel5000 | Hello , n00b with etch , I want to integrate fortune so I can see a fortune when ever I log in [like in slackware] (my default login is in a shell ) |
| 20:24.20 | Guerin | ma3x: why would you not check that befopre gettign all hot and bothered about intrusion attempts? |
| 20:24.23 | ma3x | Guerin: see http://channels.debian.net/paste/5297 |
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| 20:24.36 | ianm_ | debian has no tzdata package? |
| 20:24.36 | Sanitoeter | ad |
| 20:24.40 | ma3x | Guerin: I did not correctly understand your question |
| 20:24.42 | PaSurf | zinx: funny thing I have three servers, and two of them work fine exchanging backup files. |
| 20:24.42 | PAK-9 | since my installed version is for 386 architecture do I need to upgrade with 386 version of the kernel or can I use 686 which is my actual architecture? |
| 20:24.44 | qdk | Guerin: yes, which the site could inform people about. |
| 20:24.48 | Guerin | khaleel5000: put a line in your bashrc. |
| 20:24.50 | stew | PAK-9: 686 |
| 20:24.53 | PAK-9 | thx |
| 20:25.05 | ma3x | Guerin: why would it say Intrusion if it's not intrusion? |
| 20:25.05 | stew | PAK-9: in fact there is no suport for 386 anymore, 486 or better only |
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| 20:26.08 | valdyn | ma3x: who set up this firewall that is giving these messages? |
| 20:26.28 | haggz | khaheel5000: just make a simple bash script to call fortune and put it at an appropriate place in the init sequence. Debian uses rc2.d for standard run level init. |
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| 20:26.39 | fantomas | I try to setup local partial mirror and get GPG errors right upon debmirror start. It says: gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found etc. How to fix this? |
| 20:26.50 | valdyn | haggz: wth |
| 20:26.52 | stew | fantomas: /topic |
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| 20:27.12 | eldowan | check it out. http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=19 |
| 20:27.15 | haggz | valdyn: ? |
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| 20:27.29 | valdyn | haggz: init scripts are not the place to put fortune |
| 20:27.38 | fantomas | stew: you knew that! |
| 20:27.38 | fantomas | :) |
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| 20:27.52 | Guerin | qdk: this is what a release candidate is |
| 20:28.05 | haggz | valdyn: shell login? I thought he wanted it during system start, sorry |
| 20:28.06 | h3sp4wn | haggz: You want a fortune in the motd ? |
| 20:28.25 | h3sp4wn | or whoever asked the initial question |
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| 20:29.27 | qdk | Guerin: well whenever we releases a new candidate of openpbx we dont fuckup the prereleased once. |
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| 20:29.58 | pak9 | I have sound, many thanks |
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| 20:30.47 | streuner | wow, lots of traffic, 743 users vs. 700 (normal)... |
| 20:31.10 | ma3x | Guerin , valdyn: it's a firewall that is enabled on my modem/router. My isp controls it, I simply enabled the firewall. and if I login via telnet and type iptables -N, I get this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5298 |
| 20:31.11 | Guerin | qdk: the archive changes; it needs to. For some technical reasons I don't understand the package list of the installer is hard-coded into the cd. THese two things will inevitably diverge over time. |
| 20:31.16 | fantomas | stew: works, fine, thanks |
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| 20:31.28 | ianm_ | how is it that a debian 3.1 server can be missing /etc/timezone ? |
| 20:31.39 | aubergine | Hello, can anyone support me with a good spamassassin ruleset and bayas files for debian stable spamassassin? |
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| 20:31.59 | Guerin | ma3x: so ignore it. |
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| 20:32.23 | streuner | ianm_: if its sarge there should be a file then |
| 20:32.46 | khaleel5000 | when i try to boot distro that doesnt have 2.6.18 kernel (or higher) it says |
| 20:32.56 | khaleel5000 | Hi , I am intrested in Debian , I have a JMicron on my P965 board when i try to boot distro that doesnt have 2.6.18 kernel (or higher) it says |
| 20:32.59 | khaleel5000 | PCI: JMB36x: Enabling dual function on 0000:03:00.0 |
| 20:33.02 | khaleel5000 | Cannot allocate resource region {0..4} of device 0000:03:00.0 |
| 20:33.04 | khaleel5000 | Cannot allocate resource region {0..4} of device 0000:03:00.0 |
| 20:33.04 | ma3x | Guerin: so it's a firewall mistake that it displays those intrusion attempts |
| 20:33.07 | streuner | ianm_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:33.07 | khaleel5000 | Cannot allocate resource region {0..4} of device 0000:03:00.0 |
| 20:33.12 | khaleel5000 | Junky> Error while updating region 0000:03:00.0/0 |
| 20:33.14 | khaleel5000 | anysuggestion how to tackle that? |
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| 20:33.29 | ianm_ | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 20:33.34 | streuner | ianm_: hm |
| 20:33.40 | streuner | strange |
| 20:33.52 | Guerin | ma3x: not a mistake. |
| 20:33.58 | stew | ianm_: run tzconfig |
| 20:34.13 | ma3x | Guerin: I installed scanlogd to log netscans but where is the logfile? I even added this to /etc/syslog.conf daemon.alert /var/log/alert and nothing is being logged |
| 20:34.14 | Flimzy | How can I get 'find' to report . files as well as standard files? |
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| 20:34.47 | mastertsunami | is there anyway to load the scsi modules for 945G chipsed with sata drives without going into expert mode? |
| 20:34.48 | ianm_ | stew: asks if I want to change it from UTC, I say 'no' and it says "Your time zone will not be changed" and exits |
| 20:34.53 | streuner | ianm_: try 'base-config' as root |
| 20:34.53 | stew | Flimzy: it does automatically |
| 20:35.17 | Guerin | ianm_: it seems /etc/timezone is not provided by a package, which means it's generated by a script or somesuch. So doing what streuner said is probably the plan. That task is normally done by the installer, so I guess you installed this system by some unusual method like debootstrap. |
| 20:35.21 | Flimzy | stew: hrm... I need to look more closely then |
| 20:35.25 | mastertsunami | or maybe they are just not included in amd64 sarge? |
| 20:35.39 | ianm_ | Guerin: serverbeach.com did it |
| 20:35.47 | Guerin | ianm_: talk to them about it. |
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| 20:37.17 | MsgToThePpl | hi can someone tell me why i can't use my card reader ? (mean i can see its name in lsusb and dmesg but nothing in fdisk -l ) |
| 20:38.01 | streuner | MsgToThePpl: fdisk -l wouldn't show you an USB drive at all |
| 20:38.13 | streuner | MsgToThePpl: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 20:38.39 | stew | ianm_: you want your tz to be utc? |
| 20:38.53 | abrotman | !vfatrw |
| 20:38.53 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 20:40.19 | PaSurf | Can I us ssh on any port as long as I specify that port in the program connecting to it? |
| 20:40.22 | PaSurf | sorry, use... |
| 20:40.25 | Guerin | PaSurf: of course |
| 20:40.43 | PaSurf | seems as If I am having a problem with it ... |
| 20:40.45 | PaSurf | Hmmm. |
| 20:40.50 | maddash | server |
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| 20:41.06 | Guerin | PaSurf: check that your sshd is listening, that you're not firewalled, and that your ISP doesn't fuck with your traffic |
| 20:41.06 | maddash | chk that the server listens on that port |
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| 20:41.42 | MsgToThePpl | stew - 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' : loaded |
| 20:42.00 | streuner | MsgToThePpl: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 20:42.14 | PaSurf | Guerin: Well, I can connect to the server with the ssh command, but not through the program. But when I change the port I allof a sudden get errors saying I need to check the ssh on the remote server |
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| 20:42.28 | MsgToThePpl | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 20:42.46 | streuner | MsgToThePpl: show us the whole output |
| 20:42.48 | Guerin | PaSurf: `with the ssh command, but not through the program' <-- WTF? |
| 20:43.08 | MsgToThePpl | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 |
| 20:43.18 | ianm_ | stew: yeah |
| 20:43.34 | stew | ianm_: you can just "echo UTC > /etc/timezone" then |
| 20:43.43 | maddash | lol @ Guerin's neurosis. |
| 20:44.20 | maddash | Guerin: i think he's using 2 diff. clients |
| 20:44.20 | Guerin | maddash: neurosis is different from not being able to parse |
| 20:44.20 | Guerin | maddash: you GUESS |
| 20:44.29 | abrotman | kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:44.34 | maddash | Guerin: ah yes, the infamous "Guerin oopsy" |
| 20:44.39 | Guerin | ? |
| 20:44.49 | maddash | Guerin: true, i guess, but it seems most likely |
| 20:45.07 | maddash | Guerin: sorry, I mean't "Guerin panic" |
| 20:45.14 | Guerin | ... |
| 20:45.17 | maddash | s\mean't\meant |
| 20:45.21 | dondelelcaro | !+info tzdata |
| 20:45.29 | dpkg | tzdata: (Time Zone and Daylight Saving Time Data), section libs, is required. Version: 2007a-3 (sid), Packaged size: 346 kB, Installed size: 5732 kB |
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| 20:46.31 | gmcinnes | argh debian. why are you always broken. :( How can I get smtp-auth working? |
| 20:46.31 | Guerin | heh ... and the world finally realises that skype is fucking evil ... all thanks to /. |
| 20:46.47 | maddash | debian's broken? |
| 20:46.50 | Guerin | gmcinnes: heh. what programs? |
| 20:46.56 | maddash | skype is evil? |
| 20:47.03 | Guerin | maddash: no, smtp auth is. By design. |
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| 20:47.36 | gmcinnes | Guerin: any. for the last 5 hours I've been working on postfix, but if you know a better I'm all ears. |
| 20:47.40 | Guerin | maddash: yes, skype is evil. It scans bios, has rogue processes which persist after you close it, etc. It's proprietary shite from the eejits who brought us kazaa |
| 20:47.40 | perlmonk | still, I prefer smtp auth than having an open-relay |
| 20:47.44 | ianm_ | stew: we had some reports that software that was working for years had off-by-one-hour issues starting on March 11th, but doing an apt-get update/upgrade didn't update anything, not sure what to do |
| 20:48.00 | Guerin | gmcinnes: just for smtp? |
| 20:48.01 | riot | partitioning..: 2 gb for a / (root)-partition should be enough, yes? |
| 20:48.03 | stew | ianm_: install the tzdata package? |
| 20:48.07 | MsgToThePpl | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sd -t vfat --- says : mount: No medium found |
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| 20:48.27 | ianm_ | stew: "Couldn't find package tzdata" other name? |
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| 20:48.45 | dondelelcaro | ianm_: if you're running Debian, it's called tzdata. |
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| 20:48.59 | stew | oh there is no tzdata in stable |
| 20:49.03 | ugly | zinx: for some reason, the KERNEL parameter in the local udev rules.d file is different from the other two files - it uses "sd?" instead of "sd?1" like the others - that fixed the problem |
| 20:49.06 | maddash | Guerin: skype punches thru firewalls. kinda cool, if you're a cracker. and what's an eejit? |
| 20:49.09 | gmcinnes | Guerin: yes. just smtp. |
| 20:49.11 | ugly | in case you were curious :P |
| 20:49.22 | dondelelcaro | stew: it's libc6 in stable. |
| 20:49.22 | Guerin | maddash: say it aloud. |
| 20:49.33 | stew | ianm_: nm then |
| 20:49.34 | Guerin | gmcinnes: what backend? |
| 20:49.37 | dondelelcaro | (there's pretty much no way you'd be without libc6 either) |
| 20:49.40 | stew | i'm pretty sure he has libc6 installed :) |
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| 20:49.51 | aubergine | Hello, can anyone support me with a good spamassassin ruleset and bayas files for debian stable spamassassin to download? |
| 20:49.51 | streuner | Shouldn't 'base-config' take care about the tz issue then? |
| 20:49.52 | gmcinnes | Guerin: backend? debian. |
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| 20:49.57 | ianm_ | dondelelcaro: yeah I have libc6 and it's up to date |
| 20:50.02 | metadata | hi :) |
| 20:50.12 | dondelelcaro | ianm_: then you've got the timezones; run tzconfig to set one appropriately. |
| 20:50.22 | Guerin | gmcinnes: no, where are you checking the auth credentials? pam, mysql, badgerdb? |
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| 20:50.27 | dondelelcaro | streuner: it does a whole host of other crap as well. |
| 20:50.36 | dondelelcaro | (and it's not particularly useful anymore anyway) |
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| 20:50.40 | gmcinnes | Guerin: I could do it anywhere. simple shadow would do. |
| 20:50.40 | gabri | Hi people |
| 20:50.47 | ShredZ | How can a partition have its last cylinder at max cylinders + 1 according to fdisk ? |
| 20:50.47 | Guerin | gmcinnes: ok, so pam. |
| 20:50.52 | gmcinnes | Guerin: ok |
| 20:51.53 | MsgToThePpl | dmesg says: scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices - Vendor: Generic Model: STORAGE DEVICE Rev: 9321 - Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
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| 20:51.56 | dondelelcaro | ianm_: in any event, /etc/timezone should just be information for tzconfig. /etc/localtime is the actual file that matters. |
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| 20:52.57 | gmcinnes | Guerin: any ideas? |
| 20:53.09 | Guerin | gmcinnes: you want a file called /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf with pwcheck_method: pam in it; you may also need to edit the pam smtp service |
| 20:53.40 | gmcinnes | Guerin: oh yeah, I've done that. Let me try it again. |
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| 20:53.58 | Guerin | gmcinnes: this is all documented on the postfix site. The main thing is that your chroots are sorted out |
| 20:54.14 | gabri | what packet contents XTestFakeMotionEvent library? i have this error onfigure: error: Check for XTestFakeMotionEvent in -lXtst failed |
| 20:54.19 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: lsscsi .. do you see it ? |
| 20:54.22 | Guerin | gmcinnes: postfix runs jailed, so if the smtpd can't read outside the jail, you won't get anything |
| 20:54.39 | MsgToThePpl | bash: lsscsi: command not found |
| 20:54.41 | Guerin | gmcinnes: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:54.45 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:54.50 | Guerin | gabri: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:55.05 | gabri | mm Guerin i can't found a packet with this name |
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| 20:55.15 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: lshal |grep block.device see it? and partitions? |
| 20:55.30 | MsgToThePpl | [1:0:0:0] disk Generic STORAGE DEVICE 9321 /dev/sda |
| 20:55.30 | Guerin | gabri: there are other ways to search. |
| 20:55.35 | gmcinnes | Guerin: yeah, I copied my config files to /var/spool/postscript/config |
| 20:55.55 | gabri | mm Guerin google ins't solution |
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| 20:56.56 | legitdeal | guys someone can help me, i cant install 1 eggdrop, i see this error: |
| 20:56.56 | legitdeal | [*] Creating Menu, please wait. |
| 20:56.56 | legitdeal | This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead. |
| 20:56.56 | legitdeal | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 1 |
| 20:56.56 | legitdeal | eggdrop@nerdie:~/psybnc$ |
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| 20:56.57 | streuner | MsgToThePpl: and you can mount that drive without any errors? |
| 20:56.57 | asg | legitdeal: install libncurses5 |
| 20:57.10 | MsgToThePpl | error: mount: No medium found |
| 20:57.11 | legitdeal | how i install it? |
| 20:57.12 | legitdeal | i not know |
| 20:57.14 | stew | legitdeal: have you tried "apt-get install eggdrop"? |
| 20:57.28 | Guerin | stew: but that's not 1337! |
| 20:57.32 | maddash | !find eggdrop |
| 20:57.34 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'eggdrop' (2): eggdrop ;; eggdrop-data. |
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| 20:58.07 | Guerin | how can u b a tuff irc haxx0r if u dnt build ur oan shizzle? |
| 20:58.24 | legitdeal | yes |
| 20:58.25 | MsgToThePpl | lsscsi [1:0:0:0] disk Generic STORAGE DEVICE 9321 /dev/sda - [1:0:0:1] disk Generic STORAGE DEVICE 9321 /dev/sdb - [1:0:0:2] disk Generic STORAGE DEVICE 9321 /dev/sdc --- but none of /dev/sd* mounts |
| 20:58.31 | legitdeal | and psybnc too i cant :( |
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| 20:58.38 | gabri | !find XTestFakeMotionEvent |
| 20:58.38 | streuner | Guerin: lol |
| 20:58.38 | gmcinnes | Guerin: I don't suppose you can hit me with a cluefile about how the pam smtp file should look? |
| 20:58.39 | asg | Guerin: 1337 people don't build eggdrops |
| 20:58.48 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'XTestFakeMotionEvent' returned no results. |
| 20:58.50 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: as root .. fdisk -l /dev/sda ... fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 20:58.55 | gabri | mmm Guerin i can't found a packet |
| 20:59.16 | MsgToThePpl | says nothing |
| 20:59.19 | crazy_penguin | Alienx: I appologise for displaying that away message. I misconfigured something. Please excuse me! |
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| 20:59.29 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 20:59.32 | Guerin | asg: no, elite people don't. 1337 people DO, because they think it makes them elite. |
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| 20:59.50 | Guerin | gmcinnes: mine is mysql, but ... |
| 20:59.51 | asg | Guerin: point |
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| 21:00.08 | gmcinnes | Guerin: ah. I've been trying to avoid that. |
| 21:00.45 | legitdeal | stew yes but i need that packets |
| 21:00.46 | MsgToThePpl | the card reader is: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 07c4:a604 Datafab Systems, Inc. |
| 21:01.21 | stew | legitdeal: what do you mean? |
| 21:01.32 | Guerin | gmcinnes: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5299 |
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| 21:02.56 | gabri | what packet contents XTestFakeMotionEvent library? i have this error onfigure: error: Check for XTestFakeMotionEvent in -lXtst failed |
| 21:03.05 | MsgToThePpl | any ideas ? |
| 21:03.09 | Guerin | gabri: we already told you to search. |
| 21:03.13 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 21:03.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of starving weasels. And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 21:03.19 | gabri | mm Guerin i searched in the google |
| 21:03.24 | Guerin | gabri: search more. |
| 21:03.31 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: i gave you ideas |
| 21:03.51 | asg | ideas are better than beef and weasels |
| 21:04.09 | aubergine | I have mutiple problems with spamassassins. if here is an expert of this toll please look at thie paste: http://rafb.net/p/dByCQh25.html Thanks in advance |
| 21:04.11 | gabri | mm Guerin any ideas, url? |
| 21:04.23 | Guerin | gabri: /msg dpkg any ideas |
| 21:04.26 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.31 | MsgToThePpl | but got ntohing |
| 21:04.36 | streuner | MsgToThePpl: use /lastlog abrotman and he did |
| 21:04.39 | abrotman | !u |
| 21:04.40 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:05.08 | stew | gabri: apt-cache search lib xtst dev |
| 21:05.27 | Guerin | aubergine: why are you running spamassassin as root? |
| 21:05.40 | aubergine | because this was a test |
| 21:05.43 | maddash | Guerin: SUspamassassin |
| 21:05.43 | ianm_ | how do you see a history of when packages were installed/updated? |
| 21:06.02 | asg | ianm_: it depends on the version of Debian you are running |
| 21:06.10 | maddash | ianm_: that sounds difficult without synaptic... |
| 21:06.22 | Guerin | aubergine: looks like you'd be better off asking #spamassassin |
| 21:06.50 | maddash | asg: what version of deb is required? |
| 21:06.53 | stew | ianm_: in stable, you can look at modify times in /var/lib/dpkg/info ; there is no log in stable, it wasn't added until dpkg 1.13. if you use aptitude, it hasa its own logs in /var/log/aptitude |
| 21:07.05 | stew | maddash: dpkg 1.13 |
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| 21:07.24 | aubergine | Guerin: ok |
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| 21:07.44 | streuner | ianm_: usually in etch and sid via /var/log/dpkg.log, in stable you have to use 'ls -lt /var/lib/dpkg/info' |
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| 21:08.21 | thnee | sudo dpkg --configure tomcat5.5 says "Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5invoke-rc.d: initscript tomcat5.5, action "start" failed. dpkg: error processing tomcat5.5 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" and sudo /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 start just says "Starting Tomcat servlet engine: tomcat5.5" but then ends strangely without printing a newline att the end.. any ideas whats wrong with it? |
| 21:08.21 | gabri | mmm stew configure: error: Check for OpenGL failed, i need install this packet?libgle3-dev or other? |
| 21:08.52 | streuner | !win stew |
| 21:08.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:09.05 | stew | gabri: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 21:09.48 | gabri | mm stew http://vision.eng.shu.ac.uk/mediawiki-1.4.10/index.php/Interactive_Camera-Projector_System |
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| 21:11.05 | stew | gabri: read config.log, see what file it was looking for when it complained, use apt-file to search for that file, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 21:11.25 | MsgToThePpl | how do i check if CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN option is enabled ? |
| 21:11.48 | stew | maddash: grep CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:11.50 | stew | MsgToThePpl: ^^^ |
| 21:11.53 | maddash | streuner: dpkg.log doesn't go all the way |
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| 21:12.02 | asg | but abrotman does |
| 21:12.08 | MsgToThePpl | says y |
| 21:12.10 | streuner | hehe |
| 21:12.10 | streuner | # |
| 21:12.11 | stew | maddash: dpkg.log.1 dpkg.log.2.gz... |
| 21:12.11 | MsgToThePpl | :P |
| 21:12.25 | maddash | stew: nope, just dpkg.log.1... |
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| 21:12.41 | abrotman | !msg |
| 21:12.41 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 21:12.45 | streuner | stew: damn, you type really fast |
| 21:12.57 | abrotman | stew's a bot! |
| 21:13.02 | stew | maddash: they are rotated like other logfiles by logrotate |
| 21:13.13 | maddash | abrotman: don't be silly. stew is food. |
| 21:13.14 | asg | streuner: he's in the zone |
| 21:13.21 | stew | !eat me |
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| 21:13.32 | asg | ah, a thick stew |
| 21:13.53 | stew | asg: bah, i gained some weight over the holidays, but please don't call me "thick" |
| 21:14.17 | asg | stew: I was talking about component parts; the whole is likely still rather svelt |
| 21:14.25 | MsgToThePpl | sg_Map says /dev/sg0 /dev/sda - /dev/sg1 /dev/sdb - /dev/sg2 /dev/sdc |
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| 21:14.29 | maddash | asg: ew. |
| 21:14.44 | maddash | stew: what holiday? and how do i take into accnt logrotate to see the rest of my dpkg logs? |
| 21:14.59 | asg | maddash: well, beef stew would not be as appetizing if it was just a cow in a pot. |
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| 21:15.51 | stew | maddash: arbor day. "ls /var/log/dpkg*" will show you all the logs that are still existing |
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| 21:16.16 | |dennis| | hi, i m using apt-proxy for over 100+ computers running etch......was installing yesterday...on about 3 machines and the installation stops at 99% while downloading a file....and eventually times out...whay would it be doing this? |
| 21:16.27 | abrotman | possibly bad mirror |
| 21:16.31 | gabri | it exist qt4 for debian sarge? |
| 21:16.42 | streuner | !tell gabri about search |
| 21:16.45 | maddash | stew: I know - i'm only getting dpkg.log and .1 ...which is a bit alarming, considering the number of dpkg transactions I've done... |
| 21:16.52 | gabri | i can't get any resuls with apt-cache |
| 21:16.58 | streuner | well |
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| 21:17.13 | |dennis| | abrotman- using apt-proxy......you mean the proxy is bad for soem reason..or the mirrors that apt-proxy is downloading from? |
| 21:17.14 | asg | gabri: /msg dpkg backports ; /topic #debian-kde |
| 21:17.19 | Nergar_ | i need help from a ircop please |
| 21:17.27 | streuner | gabri: why do you think you need qt4? |
| 21:17.30 | Guerin | Nergar_: ask in #freenode |
| 21:17.35 | Nergar_ | thanx |
| 21:17.43 | gabri | hecking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes |
| 21:17.43 | gabri | checking for QT... configure: error: Check for Qt4 failed. |
| 21:17.43 | asg | df -h |
| 21:17.49 | asg | fuck |
| 21:17.52 | enouf | maddash: appears my logs are once a month |
| 21:17.58 | gabri | mm streuner to compile |
| 21:17.59 | Guerin | gabri: so fucking do what you were told |
| 21:18.02 | maddash | hmmm calendar doesn't seem to know what valentine's day is... |
| 21:18.10 | streuner | gabri: ./configure --help |
| 21:18.20 | maddash | stew: do i have to configure logrotate? |
| 21:18.27 | Nergar_ | any IRCop here, i can't talk in #freeode |
| 21:18.27 | streuner | gabri: and if those libs are installed say to configure where to find |
| 21:18.38 | Guerin | Nergar_: just wait and you will get voice eventually |
| 21:18.43 | streuner | Nergar_: are you sure you need a stuff OP? |
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| 21:18.53 | asg | maddash: Feb 14 St. Valentine's Day |
| 21:19.00 | streuner | Nergar_: or not just a channel OP? |
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| 21:19.04 | Nergar_ | yes, i need help with nickserv |
| 21:19.08 | maddash | asg: what cmd did you issue? |
| 21:19.13 | stew | maddash: how long has it been since you installed testing? |
| 21:19.16 | streuner | Nergar_: /msg nickserv help |
| 21:19.31 | asg | maddash: calendar -A 30 | grep -i val |
| 21:19.35 | etchjster | i updated to etch and now metacity is in my gdm and it hangs |
| 21:19.35 | Nergar_ | i know how to use it but i can't identify |
| 21:19.37 | etchjster | anyuone |
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| 21:19.43 | maddash | stew: no more than three months, i think |
| 21:19.50 | asg | maddash: on both sarge and sid; can't speak for etch though |
| 21:19.52 | Nergar_ | someone stole my password or something |
| 21:19.59 | gabri | mm streuner in my apt i can't found qt4 i found qt3 only i am debian sarge |
| 21:20.12 | abrotman | |dennis|: later |
| 21:20.15 | abrotman | latter |
| 21:20.25 | maddash | asg: gracias. how'd you know i was on etch? |
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| 21:20.38 | asg | maddash: just a guess |
| 21:20.38 | |dennis| | abrotman: ah...thanks....will change it then... |
| 21:20.44 | abrotman | |dennis|: just a guess |
| 21:20.52 | maddash | stew: nvm. i just re-read that aptitude has it's own logs. |
| 21:20.54 | Nergar_ | theres no IRCop here?? |
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| 21:21.05 | |dennis| | abrotman: could it be anything else? |
| 21:21.06 | asg | Nergar_: RichiH |
| 21:21.14 | streuner | gabri: so listen to 'asg' and follow his advice(s) |
| 21:21.15 | Nergar_ | thanx |
| 21:21.16 | MsgToThePpl | cdrecord -scanbus says : scsibus2: 2,0,0 200) 'Generic ' 'STORAGE DEVICE ' '9321' Removable Disk |
| 21:21.20 | abrotman | |dennis|: the internet hates you |
| 21:21.22 | MsgToThePpl | why i can't mount!!! |
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| 21:21.32 | asg | apt-get install viagra? |
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| 21:21.37 | rahul | !! |
| 21:21.37 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 21:21.49 | crazy_penguin | Good night to all! |
| 21:21.52 | rahul | I'll csh you when I have my viagra, dpkg! |
| 21:22.03 | streuner | haha |
| 21:22.06 | gabri | mm streuner is better etch as sarge? |
| 21:22.06 | berkes | any friendly folks wo like to help me with a postfix and virtualmin/webmin issue on debian? |
| 21:22.10 | rahul | and I'll be prompt and punctual about it! |
| 21:22.19 | streuner | gabri: /msg dpkg etch |
| 21:22.20 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: what are you trying to mount? |
| 21:22.22 | Guerin | berkes: since *min isn't in debian, it seems unlikely. |
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| 21:22.32 | MsgToThePpl | the card reader ;) |
| 21:22.37 | stew | Nergar_: '/stats p' should list an on duty-staffer that can help you |
| 21:22.40 | berkes | Guerin: it still is :) |
| 21:22.48 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: unpossible, you could mount a filesystem on a card though |
| 21:22.48 | gabri | thanks streuner |
| 21:22.55 | MsgToThePpl | sg_scan sg_map cdrecord and lsscis says i've /dev/sda-b-c |
| 21:22.58 | Nergar_ | thanx stew |
| 21:23.01 | MsgToThePpl | but mount fails on all |
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| 21:23.20 | gabri | mm streuner i am upgrading to etch |
| 21:23.20 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.22 | MsgToThePpl | :P |
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| 21:23.34 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: filesystems usually are on partitions |
| 21:23.43 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: sda is not a partition, i don't know your sd card |
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| 21:23.53 | MsgToThePpl | i tried sda1 etc |
| 21:24.00 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: fdisk -l |
| 21:24.01 | Guerin | berkes: oh, still in sarge. Be advised if you tie your fortunes to webmin, you'll be stuck on sarge for ever, sinxe it's been purged from debian etch. |
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| 21:24.12 | |dennis| | abrotman: lol.....here is the link to my config file.... the hosts are primary servers.. ones i think.. http://www.pastebin.ca/344590 |
| 21:24.14 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: what's on that card? |
| 21:24.36 | abrotman | |dennis|: some of those are round-robin .. and one could be down |
| 21:24.40 | MsgToThePpl | photos |
| 21:24.43 | Mutiny | does anybody in here use Debian with a Core 2 Duo system? Do you have a motherboard that has onboard video, NIC and Audio that you were able to get working with Debian? |
| 21:24.44 | abrotman | !tell |dennis| about non-us |
| 21:24.54 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: run 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' |
| 21:25.11 | stephans | hi I am installing debian of the network... the installer is telling me that the version of the kernel in the repository is of a different version and can not 'load modules' |
| 21:25.12 | MsgToThePpl | returns nothing |
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| 21:25.21 | valdyn | !tell Mutiny -about ask |
| 21:25.26 | berkes | Guerin: i know, and frankly thats not really tryu. But I did not come here to defend my choiwe for *min, but to solve a postfix/virtualmin issue, that seems specific to debian |
| 21:25.27 | stephans | this happens every once in a while... |
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| 21:25.40 | Guerin | berkes: good luck. |
| 21:25.43 | valdyn | Mutiny: many people do, now ask your real question |
| 21:25.50 | stephans | makes it hard to manage the install environment |
| 21:26.19 | |dennis| | abrotman: thanks.. will look into it.... |
| 21:26.31 | stephans | how can I work around this....? |
| 21:26.41 | Mutiny | What Core 2 Duo motherboards work well with Debian and have functioning onboard video, NIC and audio? |
| 21:26.42 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: are you root? |
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| 21:26.49 | abrotman | Mutiny: mine does! |
| 21:26.56 | Mutiny | abrotman, what motherboard is it? |
| 21:26.57 | MsgToThePpl | yes |
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| 21:27.04 | asg | abrotman: frobnitz 350? |
| 21:27.04 | abrotman | Mutiny: custom? NFC |
| 21:27.08 | MsgToThePpl | if i do the same with hdX it work |
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| 21:27.15 | MsgToThePpl | sda does not |
| 21:27.18 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: that device doesnt exist then if you got no feedback at all |
| 21:27.24 | Mutiny | abrotman, it's a "custom" motherboard? |
| 21:27.37 | abrotman | custom for IBM i assume |
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| 21:27.46 | Mutiny | okay, so you have a prepackaged system, then. |
| 21:27.52 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: go to kmuto.jp/debian/hcl and enter your lspci -n and see if you have the modules you need |
| 21:27.52 | MsgToThePpl | but lsscsi, sg_map and cdrecord says it does |
| 21:27.56 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: why do you think that that card reader is on your scsi bus at all? |
| 21:28.10 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: what cdrecord sais cannot be your cdrom drive? |
| 21:28.23 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: lshal |grep block.device see it? and partitions? <-- repeated from earlier |
| 21:28.49 | etchjster | can i just remove metacity? |
| 21:28.55 | Mutiny | I've tried 2 different Core 2 Duo motherboards with different chipsets and each have something wrong with em. Unsupported IDE controllers (even by generic ide) and unsupported ethernet controllers, respectively. |
| 21:28.58 | Guerin | etchjster: you have our permission |
| 21:29.01 | MsgToThePpl | scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices - Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 |
| 21:29.12 | Guerin | Mutiny: what kernel? |
| 21:29.16 | valdyn | Mutiny: are you trying to use sarge? |
| 21:29.22 | enouf | Mutiny: not anymore .. the stupid jmicron controller issue is all but resolved |
| 21:29.29 | Cyis | Mutiny: what's the problem? |
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| 21:29.55 | Mutiny | the devices aren't recognized. |
| 21:30.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 764] by debhelper |
| 21:30.01 | valdyn | Mutiny: sarge will hardly work with core 2 duo systems by default |
| 21:30.16 | Guerin | unsurprisingly, since it predates them by ~3 years |
| 21:30.23 | Guerin | err, ~2 |
| 21:30.28 | Cyis | we just got a core 2 duo workstation here... have to have atleast 2.6.19 just to get the video card to work |
| 21:30.36 | valdyn | damn those devs, cant write drivers for non-existing hardware =/ |
| 21:30.44 | Mutiny | yes i know |
| 21:30.45 | Guerin | terrible eh |
| 21:30.52 | Mutiny | i was trying 3.1 with the 2.6 version kernels |
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| 21:31.00 | Cyis | problem we had was specifically with the Intel AGP driver... |
| 21:31.03 | valdyn | Mutiny: try etch or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 21:31.07 | enouf | Mutiny: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/kernel/dists/sid/linux-2.6/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 find Jmicron |
| 21:31.28 | enouf | Mutiny: use a Daily image |
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| 21:31.41 | maddash | can't wait until 2.6.20 comes out |
| 21:31.44 | Mutiny | valdyn, i tried the latest iso available from debian.org |
| 21:31.57 | valdyn | Mutiny: you said you tried 3.1 |
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| 21:32.10 | Mutiny | I tried 3.1, I tried testing, I tried sarge, I tried SuSE |
| 21:32.11 | valdyn | Mutiny: that's the latest _stable_ release, by far not the _latest_ |
| 21:32.16 | Cyis | maddash: wouldn't expect it in Etch |
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| 21:32.28 | MsgToThePpl | the strange thing is that my cd is exactly the one at http://www.phoronix.com/lch/?k=entry&l=93 |
| 21:32.29 | Viper550 | wanna see a picture of my vmware Debian? |
| 21:32.38 | Guerin | Viper550: no, why would we? |
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| 21:32.53 | Viper550 | I at least made it "a bit" nicer |
| 21:32.54 | Mutiny | I'm looking for something like "Core 2 Duo motherboard N works with THIS Debian release and onboard NIC, video, IDE/SATA and audio works" |
| 21:32.57 | maddash | Cyis: yeah, i know; debian devs like to let their releases "simmer" in *stew* |
| 21:32.58 | valdyn | Mutiny: ok then you need a newer kernel on your install disk |
| 21:33.03 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.19 |
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| 21:33.22 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: CD ? .. wtf? a CF card? a USB Device? wtf are you using there |
| 21:33.23 | valdyn | Mutiny: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18, that URL shown will also have 2.6.19 images |
| 21:33.32 | maddash | Cyis: huh? |
| 21:33.38 | Mutiny | i'm not asking how to make something work. i'm asking what is a known working motherboard. |
| 21:33.40 | Guerin | maddash: kuatbt |
| 21:33.41 | MsgToThePpl | s/cd/CR |
| 21:33.50 | Cyis | [Cyis] (n=jbouse@debian/developer/jbouse): Jeremy T. Bouse |
| 21:34.02 | Guerin | Mutiny: the question should be `what kernel supports core2duo motherboards' |
| 21:34.08 | enouf | valdyn: supposedly the 2.6.19 from kmuto doesn't have SMP support (it's is custom build for himself) |
| 21:34.15 | Guerin | Mutiny: and the answer is usually `2.6.19 or newer' |
| 21:34.20 | maddash | Guerin: huh? "kuatbt"? |
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| 21:34.24 | valdyn | enouf: not to bad to get installation done.. |
| 21:34.24 | Mutiny | i don't care what you think the quesiton SHOULD be, that's not the question i'm asking. |
| 21:34.25 | Guerin | !kuatbt |
| 21:34.26 | dpkg | kuatbt is probably Keep Up At The Back There! |
| 21:34.35 | enouf | valdyn: unless he altered it within the last few days .. |
| 21:34.35 | black_13 | what would be a good channel to ask about gdm? |
| 21:34.38 | Cyis | yep... I wouldn't expect much to work on a core2duo mobo if running less than 2.6.19 |
| 21:34.42 | maddash | Cyis: did I offend you? |
| 21:34.44 | Guerin | black_13: #gnome irc.gnome.org |
| 21:34.51 | black_13 | thanks |
| 21:34.52 | Cyis | maddash: just in you made a generalized statement |
| 21:35.12 | enouf | valdyn: I agree .. however those are likely to comeback whining that there's not 2/4 CPUs listed in s cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:35.38 | abrotman | Cyis: mine runs with 2.6.18 |
| 21:35.50 | valdyn | Mutiny: there's specialised linux hardware vendors, have you looked for one? |
| 21:35.55 | Guerin | if you treat the kmuto kernels as an install kernel, you can build your own later |
| 21:35.57 | Cyis | abrotman: which mobo mfgr? |
| 21:36.01 | maddash | Cyis: it was a joke. note the "*stew*". |
| 21:36.01 | enouf | valdyn: the 2.6.18-4 kerebls from sid have the jmicron and gigabit fix (IINM) |
| 21:36.02 | abrotman | Cyis: IBM :) |
| 21:36.07 | Mutiny | i don't need an entire system. i need a MOTHERBOARD. |
| 21:36.07 | enouf | kernels* |
| 21:36.15 | Cyis | abrotman: got an intel vid card? |
| 21:36.15 | abrotman | you can buy just the mobo! |
| 21:36.16 | Guerin | Mutiny: no, you need a KERNEL |
| 21:36.16 | MsgToThePpl | there's something i can do ? |
| 21:36.26 | abrotman | Cyis: yeah .. afaik .. it's a server .. but X does work |
| 21:36.29 | Mutiny | no, i don't HAVE a motherboard yet. |
| 21:36.33 | Guerin | Mutiny: do what you like, it's a free world |
| 21:36.34 | maddash | Cyis: seriously - why so darn slow at releases? |
| 21:36.35 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:36.41 | Mutiny | so I need Motherboard A, Kernel B. |
| 21:36.43 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: do what you like, it's a free world |
| 21:36.48 | MsgToThePpl | sg_scan says there're 3 sgX devices and sg_map says mappet to /dev/sda-b-c |
| 21:37.04 | MsgToThePpl | why can't mount sda1 sdb1 sdc1 ? |
| 21:37.05 | Ny-Ty | how to instal an experimental package ? |
| 21:37.07 | Cyis | abrotman: problem we had was that the system had an on-board Intel 965Q that intel_agp wouldn't pick up until we upgraded to post-2.6.18 |
| 21:37.16 | abrotman | Cyis: ah .. no ATI |
| 21:37.18 | Guerin | !iyhtays |
| 21:37.19 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 21:37.23 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: ↑ |
| 21:37.25 | Cyis | abrotman: that would have been too easy |
| 21:37.26 | Ny-Ty | ? |
| 21:37.28 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: fdisk -l lists all partitions, if sda1 isnt listed, it does not exist, so cant be mounted |
| 21:37.36 | abrotman | Cyis: but the drives all work fine |
| 21:37.41 | maddash | Guerin: whoa cool. how'd you emit that? |
| 21:37.44 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: lshal |grep block.device see it? and partitions? <-- repeated from earlier .. 3 Stikes your out! |
| 21:37.45 | Guerin | maddash: ? |
| 21:37.52 | maddash | Guerin: up arrow |
| 21:37.54 | enouf | er strikes* |
| 21:37.57 | Cyis | maddash: who knows at this point ... I'd have to check and see what the RC bug count was at |
| 21:37.59 | MsgToThePpl | yeah but the partitons exists! even it doesnt display |
| 21:38.04 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: what's on your sdb and c ? |
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| 21:38.11 | Cyis | abrotman: yeah... the SATA drive works fine on 2.6.18 |
| 21:38.12 | MsgToThePpl | lshal says it's an invalid command |
| 21:38.15 | streuner | you usually see mount storage devices better via 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' |
| 21:38.19 | abrotman | Cyis: so what doesn't work ? |
| 21:38.19 | enouf | You're invalid |
| 21:38.20 | Cyis | just no X without upgrading kernel |
| 21:38.29 | MsgToThePpl | the card reader has 3 physical ports |
| 21:38.32 | Cyis | or atleast that's all we've found so far |
| 21:38.35 | Guerin | maddash: using rxvt-unicode-ml, ctrl+shift, uparrow |
| 21:38.35 | valdyn | !tell MsgToThePpl -about paste |
| 21:38.43 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: paste the output of 'cat /proc/partitions' |
| 21:38.47 | abrotman | Cyis: an intel card inside ? |
| 21:38.53 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: if it's a cdr/dvd you need the sr_mod |
| 21:38.58 | enouf | maybe |
| 21:39.00 | Cyis | abrotman: intel vid on-board |
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| 21:39.07 | abrotman | and i810 doesn't wokr ? |
| 21:39.28 | Cyis | abrotman: nope.. .because it can't find /dev/agpgart because intel_agp doesn't detect the card |
| 21:39.46 | Cyis | upgrade to 2.6.19 or newer and intel_agp picks up the card and /dev/agpgart exists |
| 21:39.49 | valdyn | Cyis: driver for your card isnt included in Xorg 7.1 |
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| 21:39.56 | solemnwarning | When do you guys think etch will seriously release? |
| 21:40.00 | MsgToThePpl | pasted as http://channels.debian.net/paste/5300 |
| 21:40.07 | Cyis | valdyn: i810 works fine if you have /dev/agpgart |
| 21:40.09 | Guerin | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg etch pool 1 |
| 21:40.10 | abrotman | solemnwarning: who knows .. who cares |
| 21:40.12 | solemnwarning | I'm not sure if I should compile X.org or wait for etch |
| 21:40.14 | enouf | Cyis: is that the 975x Chipset? |
| 21:40.14 | maddash | solemnwarning: a long long time from now |
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| 21:40.17 | Cyis | solemnwarning: WIR |
| 21:40.26 | Cyis | enouf: yeah... 965Q |
| 21:40.28 | Guerin | solemnwarning: sooner if you donate beer |
| 21:40.31 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: you have no sdX at all |
| 21:40.32 | stew | solemnwarning: 2 weeks after the next d-i rc or when the rc bug count hits zero, whichever comes last |
| 21:40.41 | Kevin` | neither, install etch now :) |
| 21:40.43 | MsgToThePpl | that is it! |
| 21:40.45 | enouf | Cyis: hrm .. and a ICH7 or 8? |
| 21:41.00 | Cyis | enouf: I'd have to check that |
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| 21:41.17 | Cyis | enouf: It's a Dell Optiplex 745 system |
| 21:41.21 | stew | solemnwarning: you can install xorg from backports.org |
| 21:41.32 | enouf | Cyis: ok OEM then |
| 21:41.37 | Cyis | enouf: yeah... |
| 21:41.39 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: that's your harddisks? |
| 21:41.49 | MsgToThePpl | yes |
| 21:42.07 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 21:42.08 | Cyis | enouf: easier for here at work to just get OEM systems... just have to then build out kernels and place them on an internal repo |
| 21:42.10 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: uname -r |
| 21:42.52 | enouf | Cyis: I see |
| 21:42.52 | MsgToThePpl | watch this pls http://channels.debian.net/paste/5301 |
| 21:42.57 | maddash | !vi |
| 21:42.57 | dpkg | i guess vi is said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 21:43.08 | Cyis | enouf: we're all running Debian upstairs and Windows downstairs |
| 21:43.26 | MsgToThePpl | dpkg etc says "rc udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon" |
| 21:43.26 | mindframe | whats everyones favorite terminal emulator for X ? |
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| 21:43.41 | MsgToThePpl | uname -r 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:43.55 | valdyn | !usb-storage |
| 21:43.55 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 21:44.14 | MsgToThePpl | usb-storage loaded sd_mod loaded |
| 21:44.34 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: modprobe sr_mod |
| 21:44.37 | MsgToThePpl | device: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 07c4:a604 Datafab Systems, Inc. |
| 21:45.00 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.02 | dkr | mindframe: I've been trying to get used to gnome-terminal so i can have nifty transparency and fullscreen support, but I ended up back using xterms, :) |
| 21:45.32 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: CD ? .. wtf? a CF card? a USB Device? wtf are you using there .. I still don't know .. and now I don't care anymore |
| 21:45.51 | Guerin | enouf: it's a virtual usb device |
| 21:46.21 | Guerin | enouf: a multi-format card reader which is actually embedded but is connected to a usb bus |
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| 21:46.33 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: how are you trying to mount it ? |
| 21:46.55 | MsgToThePpl | mount /dev/sda1 /home/user/Serial |
| 21:46.59 | MsgToThePpl | -t vfat |
| 21:47.01 | valdyn | abrotman: his /proc/partitions has no sd* entry at all |
| 21:47.09 | maddash | !emacs |
| 21:47.09 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
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| 21:47.52 | dkr | !joe |
| 21:47.52 | dpkg | The LAST ULTIMATE EDITOR, BETTER THAN ALL |
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| 21:47.59 | dkr | lol |
| 21:48.14 | abrotman | might just be /dev/sda |
| 21:48.17 | abrotman | or sdb |
| 21:48.24 | muaddib | Does debian or I should say the linux kernel support alternate pathing |
| 21:48.25 | MsgToThePpl | and here's my card reader is reviewed as compatible w/linux http://www.phoronix.com/lch/?k=entry&l=93 |
| 21:48.47 | dkr | muaddib: is that the weirding way? |
| 21:48.51 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: does it show on lsusb for you? |
| 21:48.51 | MsgToThePpl | tried and sd* combo from a to z and 1 to 99 |
| 21:48.54 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: run 'cat /dev/sda', just abort that command quick, tell us output |
| 21:48.55 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: uname -a please |
| 21:49.09 | MsgToThePpl | Bus 001 Device 005: ID 07c4:a604 Datafab Systems, Inc. |
| 21:49.15 | muaddib | dkr: Sure is :) |
| 21:49.38 | MsgToThePpl | cat /dev/sda - no medium found |
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| 21:49.45 | muaddib | dkr: No its a method of failing over physical partitions on seperate disk by using a virtual device |
| 21:49.45 | abrotman | uname -a |
| 21:49.46 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: uh so what |
| 21:49.50 | cydork | !usb card reader |
| 21:49.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb card reader is at http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~ggbaker/personal/cf-linux |
| 21:49.55 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: insrt a medium? |
| 21:49.56 | cydork | MsgToThePpl: ^^ |
| 21:49.57 | MsgToThePpl | Linux my 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Tue Aug 16 13:22:48 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:49.59 | Random_Transit | question, if i use LVM to merge partitions that already have data on them, will that data get wiped? |
| 21:50.11 | MsgToThePpl | er... |
| 21:50.11 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: you did see that the guy that has it working has 2.6.17 .. right ? |
| 21:50.11 | stew | MsgToThePpl: are you a gnome user? |
| 21:50.16 | MsgToThePpl | the "medium" is inserted |
| 21:50.19 | MsgToThePpl | :P |
| 21:50.39 | dkr | muaddib: sounds like having a hot spare for a raid array |
| 21:50.45 | MsgToThePpl | yes and i tried 2.6.17 kernel |
| 21:50.48 | MsgToThePpl | but doesnt boot |
| 21:50.50 | MsgToThePpl | ;) |
| 21:50.55 | MsgToThePpl | so i lay on 2.6.8 |
| 21:50.59 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: repeat the cat for all sda-c |
| 21:51.03 | MsgToThePpl | no kde user |
| 21:51.09 | MsgToThePpl | done |
| 21:51.16 | MsgToThePpl | it's the same up to z |
| 21:51.21 | muaddib | dkr: Ummm kinda of data is written to each physical device through the virtual. |
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| 21:52.25 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.31 | `Zer0 | Hello :) |
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| 21:53.13 | abrotman | !tell MsgToThePpl about sarge 2.6.18 |
| 21:53.43 | MsgToThePpl | "aptitude update says it'll remove half os |
| 21:53.46 | valdyn | that guy who wrote the howto got his card reader to work on 2.4.19... |
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| 21:54.16 | maddash | !tell me about emacs |
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| 21:54.48 | maddash | darn, no tutorials recommended by dpkg |
| 21:54.50 | MsgToThePpl | and apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 says it'll remove hotplug |
| 21:55.00 | stew | MsgToThePpl: yes, that is expected |
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| 21:55.30 | MsgToThePpl | but can't still issue "aptitude update" |
| 21:55.38 | MsgToThePpl | it says it'll remove all pack i installed |
| 21:55.41 | MsgToThePpl | plus alsa and other |
| 21:56.23 | vy | Hi, all! How do you all cope with ext3? After I converted my disk from reiserfs to ext3 I feel serious stallings during busy disk operations. Furthermore, a wait for nearly 20 minutes during every boot up after an improper shutdown is the bonus! |
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| 21:56.30 | MsgToThePpl | also once removing hotplug i'll be able to boot at least on 2.6.8 ? |
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| 21:56.58 | MsgToThePpl | (in order to recover) |
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| 21:57.07 | stew | MsgToThePpl: yes but if you use udev currently, it will no longer be functional in 2.6.8 |
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| 21:57.15 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: do you have ohci_hcd/ehci_hcd/uhci_hcd loaded in lsmod? |
| 21:57.23 | karmatronic | vy, ctrl-c on boot cancels the fsck operations |
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| 21:57.34 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 21:57.45 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: boot, yes |
| 21:57.46 | vy | (Despite I added noatime and nodev to the mount flags.) |
| 21:57.48 | Reiser_X | how can i configure cups to print in my laser |
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| 21:58.02 | valdyn | MsgToThePpl: hotplug isnt 'gone' the newer udev has it included |
| 21:58.04 | vy | karmatronic: But is that an expected behaviour? |
| 21:58.14 | vy | karmatronic: What about the later consistency after a C-c? |
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| 21:58.44 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: if you install udev, you have to uninstall the hotplug pkg (few rare exceptions so I'm told) |
| 21:58.58 | valdyn | vy: are you sure you don't really have ext2 ? |
| 21:59.12 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: but yeah .. udev/dbus/hal handles all that stuff now |
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| 21:59.24 | MsgToThePpl | will the kernel-image i'm downloading complain about n built in drivers, or something like ? |
| 21:59.38 | valdyn | vy: read the manpages about ext3, there's at leaste 3 operating modes trading safety for speed and vice versa |
| 21:59.41 | g333k_laptop | hi, why I cannot play wav files in xmms? |
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| 21:59.56 | valdyn | vy: then read the manpage about tune2fs anyway |
| 22:00.33 | MsgToThePpl | and btw everytime i plug a kernel image the menu.lst i set up wrong |
| 22:00.54 | MsgToThePpl | linux's on hd0 but now it's pointed to hd1 and i've to change |
| 22:00.55 | karsten | MsgToThePpl: aptitude installing a kernel deb should get that right. |
| 22:01.19 | karsten | !tell g333k_laptop about smart questions. |
| 22:01.27 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: /msg dpkg sarge->etch see the /etc/kernel-img.conf info |
| 22:01.31 | MsgToThePpl | karsten> yeah but aptitude wants to wipe most of the os |
| 22:01.33 | karsten | g333k_laptop: What does or doesn't work? What error messages? Can you play audio other ways? |
| 22:01.44 | maddash | kinstalling a kernel, karsten? |
| 22:03.04 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk (videoconference) |
| 22:03.04 | valdyn | vy: the writeback mode is equivalent to reiserfs and fastest of the 3 |
| 22:03.04 | g333k_laptop | karsten, I can play mp3 files, |
| 22:03.05 | maddash | ... |
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| 22:03.44 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk (videoconference) |
| 22:03.44 | g333k_laptop | karsten, theres no error, just it doesnt sound |
| 22:03.44 | |dennis| | abrotman: the internet hates me......actually i should have done this yesterday....silly me..our silly cheap..telco given dsl router...crapped out..sort of...a restart..fixed things..for now atleast...hehe thanks a whole bunch..silly me.... |
| 22:03.44 | enouf | weeeeeeeeeee .. netsplit |
| 22:03.44 | vy | Vyrus001: writeback mode? |
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| 22:03.45 | vy | valdyn: See above. |
| 22:03.45 | MsgToThePpl | shuttinh down and (hoping) to boot - see later |
| 22:03.45 | abrotman | |dennis|: hehe |
| 22:03.46 | valdyn | vy: its in the tune2fs manpage |
| 22:03.46 | enouf | valdyn: w-a-y w-a-y above .. hehe |
| 22:03.47 | maddash | "netsplit"? |
| 22:03.47 | karsten | g333k_laptop: Options > Preferences > Audio I/O Plugins. Is "Wave Player [libwav.so] enabled? |
| 22:03.47 | enouf | !milkshake |
| 22:03.48 | ree | Hi, I ask again: which gcc version is 2.6.18-4-amd64 compiled? I am trying to add a module for my network card to use from the installer, and I get Invalid module format |
| 22:03.48 | karsten | g333k_laptop: ... might have to install an xmms package for that. |
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| 22:03.49 | valdyn | ree: uname -a if its running, 4.1 if its a new kernel |
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| 22:04.05 | valdyn | ree: ops, not uname -a, cat /proc/version |
| 22:04.37 | g333k_laptop | karsten, it is enabled |
| 22:05.15 | valdyn | vy: if you chose writeback, you could just have sticked to reiserfs, i guess |
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| 22:05.28 | ree | valdyn: great, thanks |
| 22:05.40 | maddash | s\sticked\stuck\g |
| 22:05.48 | valdyn | maddash: thanks |
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| 22:05.57 | g333k_laptop | Do you know if I need some extra pkg to play wav files in xmms? |
| 22:05.58 | maddash | valdyn: i was being facetious :P |
| 22:06.09 | karmatronic | maddash, s@\@/@ :) |
| 22:06.15 | vy | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 22:06.25 | ree | valdyn: so it's the same. Is there any other difference that can cause this? -- the kernel is the one in the installer |
| 22:06.26 | dondelelcaro | g333k_laptop: you have to have the .wav input module enabled; don't remember if it's in a separate package |
| 22:06.36 | maddash | karmatronic: what's that do? my regexp is rusty... |
| 22:06.47 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Doesn't appear to be. |
| 22:06.49 | g333k_laptop | dondelelcaro, where? |
| 22:07.05 | karmatronic | maddash, it just changes your \ to a / |
| 22:07.08 | maddash | g333k_laptop: select libwav.so, and click "enable" |
| 22:07.20 | g333k_laptop | dondelelcaro, I have a libwav.so enabled in xmms |
| 22:07.24 | ree | valdyn: I want to add the et131x ethenret module, not in deb |
| 22:07.30 | maddash | karmatronic: sry. my regexp isn't rusty, it's non-existent. |
| 22:07.35 | karmatronic | :) |
| 22:07.36 | dondelelcaro | g333k_laptop: then you can play wav files. |
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| 22:07.53 | jelly | !why is linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 not in debian |
| 22:07.53 | dpkg | jelly: what are you talking about? |
| 22:08.00 | g333k_laptop | dondelelcaro, I cant |
| 22:08.04 | jelly | hmm |
| 22:08.08 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.08 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 22:08.15 | jelly | valdyn: thanks |
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| 22:08.37 | maddash | g333k_laptop: you have to make sure it's **enabled** |
| 22:08.49 | g333k_laptop | dondelelcaro, totem do play wav files |
| 22:09.08 | g333k_laptop | maddash, I pressed and see disablen then I pressed it again to enable |
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| 22:10.30 | maddash | g333k_laptop: hmmm i'm getting the same problem...switch to OSS driver output - fixes it... |
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| 22:11.10 | g333k_laptop | maddash, OSS plays in stereo? or mono? |
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| 22:11.27 | MsgToThePPL | Result: kernel 2.6.28 doesn't boot |
| 22:11.39 | MsgToThePPL | Kernel 2.6.8.2 (previous) neither |
| 22:11.43 | stew | MsgToThePPL: what error do you get? |
| 22:11.49 | g333k_laptop | maddash, yep with OSS I can play wav files, but I prefer alsa :( |
| 22:12.02 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk (videoconference) |
| 22:12.02 | dondelelcaro | g333k_laptop: it's stereo; it works just the same as alsa does. |
| 22:12.03 | maddash | g333k_laptop: no clue. |
| 22:12.05 | MsgToThePPL | complains about source paths |
| 22:12.17 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, you're using the oss compatibility layer of alsa) |
| 22:12.37 | MsgToThePPL | then stalls whereas the old kernel boots but the desktop does not load Xfree gives error |
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| 22:13.17 | stew | MsgToThePPL: what exactly is the error you get with 2.6.18? |
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| 22:13.46 | xanatos_ | sombody have a repository where can I download mysql 5 |
| 22:13.54 | MsgToThePPL | says WARNING: //version.h |
| 22:14.03 | hardbop200 | all - there's a small app that will write stuff to the desktop (root?) window, but I cannot remember the name of it. something small; sound familiar to anyone? |
| 22:14.21 | MsgToThePPL | incorrect source path, however a valid 2.6.18xxx diles was found |
| 22:14.25 | MsgToThePPL | thn stalls |
| 22:14.46 | karmatronic | hardbop200, xpad |
| 22:14.54 | maddash | !xpad |
| 22:15.02 | hardbop200 | someone suggested it to write the current battery state to the desktop, a la conky |
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| 22:15.56 | mikefoo | Hey guys I have ntpd running but my time still goes out of sync, what do I have set wrong? |
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| 22:16.50 | hardbop200 | mikefoo - is your inet connection active when you boot up? I think that is when ntp attempts to update |
| 22:17.00 | karmatronic | mikefoo, /etc/ntp.conf misconfigured ? |
| 22:17.01 | MsgToThePPL | so i cannot recover without format & reinstall ? |
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| 22:17.20 | g333k_laptop | if I want my system to play wav files do I have to run esd daemon? ie. thunderbird, firefox, etc |
| 22:17.34 | jelly | g333k_laptop: negative |
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| 22:17.40 | hardbop200 | maddash: xpad wasn't what I was looking for, but it looks interesting. thanks for the suggestion. |
| 22:17.47 | bodq | hello |
| 22:17.56 | bodq | any tools that allow me to view 200000x200000 pixel png image? [report from #linux] |
| 22:18.26 | karmatronic | bodq, display from image-magick |
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| 22:18.59 | maddash | hardbop200: don't thank me, thank karmatronic |
| 22:19.14 | karmatronic | maddash, thank you |
| 22:19.17 | jelly | g333k_laptop: you should, however, make sure your client apps use alsa instead of oss, because using oss devices (even the oss compatibility modules + alsa modules) can block the device and prevent other processes from using it |
| 22:19.37 | thompa | im running duo core 64, is there anything much to lose out on 64 install? |
| 22:19.50 | Guerin | bodq: hope you have plenty of ram |
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| 22:19.55 | velvet | hi |
| 22:20.08 | bodq | Guerin: i do |
| 22:20.13 | bodq | Guerin: but |
| 22:20.26 | bodq | I don't really want to see any image large than my screen resolution |
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| 22:20.41 | bodq | So I don't really need more than 10M |
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| 22:21.10 | velvet | guys there is a stupid faggot shit amongst you called infernix |
| 22:21.22 | g333k_laptop | jelly, well when thunderbird plays a wav file i just heard a buzz sound... how do I find if thunderbird uses oss or alsa? |
| 22:21.27 | velvet | the guy has same iq like this man on the picture http://www.goatse.cz/hello.jpg |
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| 22:21.36 | infernix | velvet: sorry? |
| 22:21.40 | infernix | velvet: do i know you? |
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| 22:21.57 | Guerin | !ops velvet beatings |
| 22:21.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: guerin complains about: velvet beatings |
| 22:21.58 | maddash | infernix: he probably tab keyed to the wrong name |
| 22:21.59 | velvet | although he imagine he is a hardcore debian and linux sysadmin he don'T know shit |
| 22:22.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:22.05 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-b349686bbbf8e0f0] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:22.05 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:22.23 | infernix | now this is really weird |
| 22:22.28 | mentor | Can we let him back in so we can kick him agian? |
| 22:22.31 | Mustang_Matt | Does debian keep a history of everything installed with aptitude so that I could generate a file re trace my steps? |
| 22:22.34 | maddash | i was kinda looking forward to seeing his reasons |
| 22:22.35 | thompa | velvet: your sick dude |
| 22:22.40 | infernix | thats the second time some dude drops in here and starts raving about me |
| 22:22.44 | karmatronic | infernix, dont pay attention |
| 22:22.53 | infernix | what, it happens more often? |
| 22:22.53 | maddash | infernix: can you feel the love? |
| 22:22.54 | stew | Mustang_Matt: /var/log/aptitude |
| 22:22.59 | obscurant | how do i install words - dictionaries-common is currently installed, but 'look' fails - "/usr/share/dict/words: No such file or directory |
| 22:23.00 | h3xis | maddash <3 |
| 22:23.03 | Mustang_Matt | stew: Thanks! |
| 22:23.09 | maddash | h3xis: !! |
| 22:23.09 | mikefoo | Hey guys I have ntpd running but my time still get out of sync, what am I doing wrong? how can I make sure time is always acurate? |
| 22:23.21 | rahul | mikefoo: ntpq -c pe |
| 22:23.24 | jelly | g333k_laptop: one way is to look at which files it has open with lsof... /dev/dsp* is OSS, /dev/snd/* is ALSA |
| 22:23.29 | bodq | infernix: you're cool |
| 22:23.29 | dondelelcaro | obscurant: you want iamerican or similar; apt-cache search wordlist; |
| 22:23.29 | rahul | mikefoo: see what the status is |
| 22:23.41 | h3xis | maddash, look at my job i did on my tpad: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/h3xis/mhmmm.jpg |
| 22:23.48 | karmatronic | infernix, your nick is cool |
| 22:24.00 | infernix | well i just dont get it. i mean, if i gave him wrong advice, just tell me. maybe he's pissed because i nickserv'd this nick? |
| 22:24.16 | thompa | can someone convince me to go 64 etch, currently running the other one |
| 22:24.21 | maddash | h3xis: whoa...is that laser-etched? |
| 22:24.22 | Guerin | infernix: are you the infernix of old? |
| 22:24.34 | Guerin | or some impostor who's hijacked the nick? |
| 22:24.35 | infernix | i've been here for years |
| 22:24.46 | thompa | im too old too remember things anymore i think |
| 22:24.48 | h3xis | madclicker, one of those stickers that you press down and then slowly peel off and leaves behind whatever is on it |
| 22:24.52 | g333k_laptop | jelly, I think is OSS, thats why I'm having problems, but when I enable esd I hear weird sounds... like sounds that were in a buffer.. |
| 22:25.06 | karmatronic | infernix, maybe it s paradisix and he s just jealous |
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| 22:25.07 | Guerin | infernix: congratulations, you have a hater. |
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| 22:25.19 | ghatak | Hi, i am using fluxbox, i am trying to use crontab to run a command at regular intervals, but it does not seem to change the wallpaper, i have tested the command and it works if i execute it on command line. There is an entry in syslog at specified interval that cron is working, but wallpaper does not change using cron? anything i am missing ? |
| 22:25.25 | obscurant | dondelelcaro: awesome, thanks |
| 22:25.29 | h3xis | her maddash i mean |
| 22:25.32 | h3xis | sorry madclicker |
| 22:25.32 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: that's because DISPLAY isn't set. |
| 22:25.35 | jelly | g333k_laptop: I would attribute that to OSS, when it works, it works |
| 22:25.36 | infernix | Guerin: do i get a cookie now? :) |
| 22:25.44 | jelly | g333k_laptop: *wouldn't* |
| 22:25.45 | maddash | h3xis: let me make this easier for you |
| 22:25.46 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: you'll have to run DISPLAY=:0.0 xsetbg or similar. |
| 22:25.46 | Guerin | !cookie infernix |
| 22:25.52 | infernix | :) |
| 22:25.53 | h3xis | :D |
| 22:26.08 | h3xis | haha |
| 22:26.11 | sudo_maddash | "cool shit"? |
| 22:26.14 | infernix | uhm |
| 22:26.17 | infernix | where'd that come from |
| 22:26.22 | ghatak | dondelelcaro: i c, let me try that |
| 22:26.29 | Guerin | infernix: the cookie jar |
| 22:26.29 | infernix | my site is like static for years |
| 22:26.42 | infernix | back to reality |
| 22:26.49 | sudo_maddash | infernix: is that (http://www.infernix.net/gallery/turkije/aab) you? |
| 22:27.01 | infernix | sudo_maddash: hell yes. :D |
| 22:27.14 | h3xis | you are super hot man |
| 22:27.15 | infernix | i herd sheep |
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| 22:27.26 | bodq | karmatronic: looks good at least for files not so large. thanks. |
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| 22:28.11 | karmatronic | bodq, yeah and it s cool for conevrsions too |
| 22:28.41 | ctp | hi folks. which package must i install to get ssh server and client? i see a package called ssh and two another: openssh-server and openssh-client. |
| 22:28.56 | sudo_maddash | h3xis: don't laser-etch your laptop with deco. it's like getting a perma-tattoo of your girlfriend's name. |
| 22:29.17 | h3xis | sudo_maddash, yeah, i thought about that and then i decided that getting a nice sticker would work |
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| 22:29.20 | stew | ctp: install openssh-server and openssh-cliehnt ; ssh is just a dummy package which depends on the other two |
| 22:29.50 | sudo_maddash | h3xis: is your cover embedded with shiny specks? |
| 22:29.55 | h3xis | yes |
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| 22:30.22 | h3xis | sudo_maddash, isnt it magnesium composite or something |
| 22:30.35 | sudo_maddash | h3xis: yep :D |
| 22:30.40 | h3xis | it's all glittery |
| 22:30.49 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:30.53 | pinks | how can I get my debian box to grab an image from a website every hour and save it? |
| 22:30.59 | ctp | stew: ah, ok. thx |
| 22:31.13 | redbox | pinks: man rsync |
| 22:31.13 | h3xis | pinks, use cron to schedule wget to download the image |
| 22:31.16 | karmatronic | pinks, if you have the exact url , just use cron+wget |
| 22:31.16 | h3xis | or that ^ |
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| 22:31.28 | riot | what went wrong, when i don't have any entries in /usr/lib/X11/fonts after installation? |
| 22:31.28 | ghatak | dondelelcaro: that produced a message in syslog >> CMD (DISPLAY=:0.0 && /usr/bin/fbsetbg -r /home/user/.fluxbox/backgrounds/) MAIL (mailed 28 bytes of output but got status 0x0001 ) |
| 22:31.34 | Guerin | pinks: while true; do wget http://foo.com/bar.jpg; sleep 1h; done |
| 22:31.39 | sudo_maddash | h3xis: don't call your tpad "glittery"; it's very emasculating ;) |
| 22:31.42 | redbox | pinks: whats the point of re-grabbing it every hour if it hasnt changed? |
| 22:31.42 | pinks | cool -- thanks -- I'll read the man's |
| 22:31.52 | h3xis | sudo_maddash, haha |
| 22:31.58 | pinks | Guerin - where will that save it? |
| 22:31.59 | Guerin | yeah, you should check to see if it's updated |
| 22:31.59 | karmatronic | Guerin, hey i was told while :; do the same |
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| 22:32.09 | pinks | redbox: it changes ;-) |
| 22:32.17 | Guerin | pinks: wherever you start the loop |
| 22:32.26 | pinks | it's a satellite image that gets updated every hour |
| 22:32.28 | Guerin | karmatronic: yeah, there's plenty of ways to skin that particular cat |
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| 22:32.46 | ferguscan | Anyone here know about SIP? I'm trying to set up VOIP in my house, and am wondering how I should configure my iptables. Need a HOWTO or some doco. |
| 22:32.52 | stew | riot: becuase you fonts in /etc/X11/fonts instead? |
| 22:33.30 | Guerin | ferguscan: if it uses one port, you can just open or forward that port. If it uses multiple ports I'd be inclined to tunnel the whole thing over ssh |
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| 22:33.58 | riot | Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
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| 22:34.09 | stew | riot: what version of debian are you running? |
| 22:34.10 | sudo_maddash | karmatronic: how do i chg the xpad decor? ie, get rid of the borders |
| 22:34.13 | Kevin` | apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 22:34.13 | riot | stew: its a clean install of etch, upgraded to sid |
| 22:34.14 | karmatronic | ferguscan, port 5060 in udp if i remember well |
| 22:34.16 | ferguscan | Guerin, thanks. Now I just need to find out which it is. I've seen conflicting reports. |
| 22:34.19 | stew | riot: aptitude install xorg |
| 22:34.21 | pinks | Guerin: can I force it to save to different filenames each time - based on the date/time? |
| 22:34.34 | ferguscan | karmatronic, I've heard it is a range of ports. But I'll try opening up that one, thanks. |
| 22:34.35 | Ronin | ahh first beer after a days work :) |
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| 22:34.55 | riot | shiiit... i installed everything by hand.. and missed xorg itself :> |
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| 22:35.14 | riot | thanks :) |
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| 22:35.40 | riot | oh no.. it installs libmesa... *D'OH* |
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| 22:36.32 | karmatronic | sudo_maddash, i think you cant :( |
| 22:36.39 | riot | wow.. my new display rocks.. 1400x1050 in 14 inch :D |
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| 22:37.07 | hackeron | is there anyway to move from a 32bit debian to a 64bit debian without re-installing the OS? -- maybe some crafty dist-upgrade? |
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| 22:37.42 | Guerin | !test |
| 22:37.42 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:37.53 | Guerin | pinks: yeah, man wget |
| 22:37.56 | Paddy_EIRE | what would be the easiest way to install the jre |
| 22:38.10 | pinks | Guerin: :D |
| 22:38.19 | stew | Paddy_EIRE: /msg dpkg install java |
| 22:38.23 | Guerin | Paddy_EIRE: to not install it at all |
| 22:38.30 | h3xis | hackeron, i'm just going out on a limb here and taking a guess, but maybe install a 64bit kernel, then change your sources to 64bit and then do a dist upgrade? |
| 22:38.31 | Paddy_EIRE | lol |
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| 22:38.49 | Guerin | h3xis: #debian-amd64 probably knows |
| 22:38.51 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:38.55 | Guerin | hackeron: #debian-amd64 probably knows |
| 22:38.59 | h3xis | Guerin, ah yeah thx |
| 22:39.12 | hackeron | Guerin: thanks, I'll ask them :) |
| 22:39.57 | Paddy_EIRE | thx stew |
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| 22:41.03 | ghatak | how do i redirect cron's output to syslog ? |
| 22:41.14 | Cade7417 | Hello. I'm having an issue with my keymapping. I was working in TeXmacs and the 'meta' key wasn't working, so I changed some preferences. Now 'alt-ctrl-arrow' will not change workspaces in applications. Im running Etch 2.18 in IceWM. |
| 22:41.27 | Paddy_EIRE | anyone know how to recover unaccounted for hdd space, in windows disk management my ntfs partition is 93 gb yet c: only reports having 27 gb |
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| 22:42.33 | Reiser_X | URGENT!! I need help with GNUGK |
| 22:42.33 | karmatronic | Paddy_EIRE, clear the thrash |
| 22:42.39 | Reiser_X | anybody can help |
| 22:42.40 | Reiser_X | _ |
| 22:42.41 | Reiser_X | ? |
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| 22:42.51 | stew | Reiser_X: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 22:42.57 | Guerin | !urgent |
| 22:42.58 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: check ~/.icewm/preferences |
| 22:43.12 | Reiser_X | Question: i install gnugk |
| 22:43.13 | dkr | Paddy_EIRE: reformat the ntfs partition as ext3 |
| 22:43.22 | stew | Reiser_X: i don't understand the question |
| 22:43.31 | Reiser_X | but i cant connect with server using gnomemeeting |
| 22:43.49 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: inside preferences, find "keysysworkspacenext" |
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| 22:44.11 | mptech | what package contains manual pages for C standard library functions like scanf, atoi, etc..? |
| 22:44.44 | stew | mptech: manpages-dev |
| 22:44.46 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: Its not there, I remember when I set up IceWM I didn't put the keymap in the user, but in the root. |
| 22:44.58 | Reiser_X | First Question: Should GNUGK be configured with Static IP? |
| 22:45.07 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: `sudo find / -name preferences` |
| 22:45.08 | abrotman | is gnugk even in debian ? |
| 22:45.12 | stew | yes |
| 22:45.14 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: I did it because I'm the only person on the computer, and it was the one I could find. |
| 22:45.15 | vydd | how do I change keyboard layout names shown by gnome's keyboard indicator applet? |
| 22:45.17 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: `sudo find / -name preferences|less` |
| 22:45.28 | mptech | stew, thanks :D |
| 22:45.29 | dkr | mptech: % dpkg -S /usr/share/man/man3/scanf.3.gz |
| 22:45.29 | dkr | manpages-dev |
| 22:45.36 | Reiser_X | yes |
| 22:45.50 | pinks | /exit |
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| 22:46.33 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: That command just returing a blank terminal, no prompt even. |
| 22:46.50 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: Neverming, it just took a while. |
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| 22:46.59 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: :P press "q" to quit |
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| 22:49.05 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: just curious, what theme are you using? |
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| 22:49.51 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: I found the main IceWM pref file, now I'm just trying to edit it. I was trying to use alt-F10 to resize, it appears that may be messed up too. |
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| 22:50.46 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: why don't you just reinstall icewm? |
| 22:50.54 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: And I'm using Infidel2 ergonomic. |
| 22:51.30 | Cade7417 | That might be the route to go. How would I go about doing that? My friend helped me install it in the first place. |
| 22:51.47 | holycow | guys what is the name of the meatpackage for compiling and building apps again? |
| 22:52.01 | dondelelcaro | holycow: build-essential |
| 22:52.07 | holycow | ah! danke |
| 22:52.21 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: fire up a prompt. |
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| 22:52.40 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: `sudo aptitude remove icewm<tab key>` |
| 22:52.55 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: followed by `sudo aptitude install icewm<tab key>` |
| 22:53.38 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: then restart X11 via ctrl+alt+bksp...save the data used by X apps, though. |
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| 22:54.19 | sudo_maddash | !tell sudo_maddash about enter |
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| 22:55.58 | riot | how can i turn on/off (numlock-)keyboard mouse-control? |
| 22:56.03 | riot | (in x.org) |
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| 22:56.18 | grendal_prime | is there anything like a wheel group? |
| 22:56.25 | ghatak | dondelelcaro: i have tried with both DISPLAY = :0.0 and without it, both times i get the mail from crontab with error, "Can't Open Display", Any ideas ? |
| 22:56.33 | karmatronic | grendal_prime, admin |
| 22:56.35 | grendal_prime | i dont see one , i need to run an app with root level premissions.. |
| 22:56.38 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: By prompt you mean one of the text only menus, not a terminal correct? |
| 22:56.51 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: what is the exact crontab command you're using? |
| 22:57.07 | karmatronic | grendal_prime, adm |
| 22:57.15 | grendal_prime | adm? thanks |
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| 22:57.46 | ghatak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.20 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: and how were you setting DISPLAY? |
| 22:58.32 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: terminal |
| 22:59.49 | ghatak | dondelelcaro: hm... i just added DISPLAY = :0.0 && /usr/bin/fbsetbg -r /wallpapers/ |
| 22:59.58 | dondelelcaro | uh, no. |
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| 23:00.13 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: What should the tab key be doing after the 'remove icewm' right now is giving me the options of icewm and icewm-common. |
| 23:00.51 | dondelelcaro | ghatak: you need DISPLAY=:0.0 fsetbg -r /wallpapers/; possibly DISPLAY=:0.0 XAUTHORITY=/home/you/.xauthority fsetbg -r /wallpapers/; You probably also want to check to see if your user is actually logged into the system. |
| 23:01.32 | ghatak | Right, let me try that |
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| 23:03.38 | ghatak | dondelelcaro: waiting for cron cycle to run, i guess i cant force it to run ? |
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| 23:04.06 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: icewm |
| 23:04.20 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.32 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: icewm depends on icewm-common, so both get installed |
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| 23:05.18 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: oh, sorry - remove both icewm and icewm-common |
| 23:05.28 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: Ok. |
| 23:07.21 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: Ok, I've uninstalled and reinstalled, how do I save the data from X apps before restarting it? |
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| 23:08.15 | g333k_laptop | hi, how to specify the dns from console? |
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| 23:08.54 | abrotman | /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:09.28 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, I know.... but there is not a command: like ifconfig to specify ip and netmask ? |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | ethtool ? |
| 23:09.44 | Flimzy | I have a tmpfs running, and I have deleted some files from it, but the "used" value in df doesn't go down... is this just a fluke, or is that memory still allocated until I umount the tmpfs? |
| 23:09.50 | zorton | Is there a nice way to switch the x keyboard map and is there a one handed dvorak keymap floating around? |
| 23:09.58 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: what i meant by that was to save the data in any open apps you might have - for instance, a text editor, paint program, etc. if you're not running anything, then just C+A+bksp |
| 23:10.14 | karsten | zorton: xmodmap. Also the X configuration keyboard map. |
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| 23:11.17 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, sure? |
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| 23:11.48 | abrotman | why not |
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| 23:11.52 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: It appears to have worked, the command works properly now. |
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| 23:12.24 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, I cant figure out how |
| 23:12.34 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 23:12.43 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, I didi |
| 23:12.48 | abrotman | run it ? |
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| 23:12.59 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: Thank you very much for all of your help, even through my excesisvly silly questioning of every command. |
| 23:13.01 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, I'm in the man page |
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| 23:13.29 | sudo_maddash | Cade7417: asking for help isn't silly. you're welcome. |
| 23:13.33 | g333k_laptop | abrotman, there is no option for dns |
| 23:13.54 | vydd | khm...khm......how do I change keyboard layout names shown by gnome's keyboard indicator applet? anyone? please... |
| 23:14.13 | Cade7417 | sudo_maddash: I was more talking about my questions like "I do this in the terminal right?", but I know. Thanks. |
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| 23:14.39 | Cade7417 | /leave #debian |
| 23:14.42 | sudo_maddash | it's /part |
| 23:14.55 | Cade7417 | Thanks, been a long time since I used IRC. |
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| 23:15.28 | PaSurf | I am trying to install a .deb package with dpkg but each time I get a error with dependancy issues. Do the .deb packages not have everything included to install the program? |
| 23:15.38 | sudo_maddash | PaSurf: no. |
| 23:15.55 | sudo_maddash | PaSurf: you'll most likely have to hunt down the dependencies own your own |
| 23:16.02 | sudo_maddash | PaSurf: you'll most likely have to hunt down the dependencies on your own |
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| 23:16.04 | Cheetah | hey folks |
| 23:16.11 | PaSurf | sounds good, thanks |
| 23:16.14 | Moffa | switched from a CTX crt monitor to Viewsonic VA1930wm LCD, dpkg-reconfigure of xserver-xorg worked, but without a reboot can I access higher resolutions? Ctrl Alt + using old resolutions |
| 23:16.21 | Cheetah | is it possible to go back to an older kernel after installing a newer kernel image? |
| 23:16.33 | Moffa | without a reboot and without restarting X |
| 23:16.36 | Moffa | thanks |
| 23:16.55 | Moffa | Cheetah, did you save the old kernel? |
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| 23:17.17 | sudo_maddash | Moffa: C + A + BKSP |
| 23:17.33 | vydd | PaSurf: you could try using apt for dependencies |
| 23:17.34 | Cheetah | Moffa, i just used apt-get install to get the newer kernel, do you think a dpkg-reconfigure on the old kernel package should do the magic? |
| 23:17.37 | Moffa | sudo_maddash, that's restarting X, which I'mtrying to avoid |
| 23:17.57 | abrotman | Moffa: xrandr maybe ? but doubtful |
| 23:18.01 | Moffa | Cheetah, no, on a reboot, |
| 23:18.10 | Moffa | select the older kernel |
| 23:18.14 | Cheetah | Moffa, unfortunately I'm not in physical reach of the machine ;) |
| 23:18.15 | Moffa | if you don't have enough time |
| 23:18.23 | Moffa | you can still do it |
| 23:18.31 | Moffa | go to /boot, |
| 23:18.33 | Cheetah | change the menu.lst? |
| 23:18.33 | sudo_maddash | Moffa: ah, only saw "w/o a reboot" |
| 23:18.45 | Moffa | sudo_maddash, thanks |
| 23:18.50 | Moffa | Cheetah, yes |
| 23:19.05 | Moffa | Cheetah, make the older kernel the active kernel |
| 23:19.15 | Cheetah | do I add a "boot" line after the entry with the right kernel image? |
| 23:19.49 | Moffa | Cheetah, if someone else don't answer, give me a minute to check mine, grub right? |
| 23:19.55 | Cheetah | yeah |
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| 23:20.14 | vydd | Moffa, Cheetah: I think that new kernel image is added to grub automatically |
| 23:20.22 | PaSurf | how do I search the apt sources for a specific version, or is that possible. I have older versions but program needs newer. I have source with newer program in sources folder |
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| 23:20.43 | Moffa | vydd, yes, but he needs to change which one boots automatically |
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| 23:21.16 | vydd | Moffa: hm...maybe...but when I got 2.6.18, it became default.... |
| 23:21.38 | Cheetah | i installed 2.6.18 and found that some kernel drivers wont compile anymore. so i have to go back to 2.6.8 |
| 23:22.16 | pickcoder | Cheetah: when you install the kernel image, run update-grub and verify menu.lst has the correct default index in /boot/grub/ |
| 23:22.39 | Cheetah | pickcoder, is it a "boot" option i add to the wanted entry? |
| 23:22.54 | pickcoder | the best option is to set the default index number |
| 23:22.59 | Cheetah | ahh.. got it ;) |
| 23:23.00 | Cheetah | hang on |
| 23:23.01 | pickcoder | 0 is the first kernel entry in the menu.lst file |
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| 23:23.22 | pickcoder | you should also run update-grub if you remove a kernel package |
| 23:23.29 | pickcoder | and check the menu.lst |
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| 23:23.51 | Cheetah | i changed the default index from 0 to 2 and rebooting now ;) |
| 23:23.54 | Cheetah | lets hope it comes back |
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| 23:24.30 | Cheetah | whhee |
| 23:24.41 | Cheetah | back to 2.6.8.. thanks a bunch fellas |
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| 23:25.16 | Moffa | Cheetah, if others have access at the remote location, you might want to consider increasing the timeout value to 15 or 20 seconds to give them time to change grub selection at the location |
| 23:25.18 | pro | even guys, what is the package that installs X on sarge? it used to be called something like x-window-system ? |
| 23:25.23 | PaSurf | anyone know of a sarge backports source? |
| 23:25.33 | Guerin | PaSurf: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:25.40 | Cheetah | Moffa, thanks for the help, but I could fix it by setting the "default" option |
| 23:25.41 | Guerin | fg |
| 23:25.45 | Guerin | meh |
| 23:25.49 | valdyn | pro: that's it still |
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| 23:25.56 | Moffa | Cheetah, ok, good luck |
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| 23:26.29 | pro | valdyn, thank you, i was apt-cache searching and didnt find it |
| 23:26.45 | Cheetah | but i still have the feeling that I totally screwed the machine by upgraidng to testing |
| 23:27.04 | Cheetah | its not possible to "downgrade" to stable again, is it? :D |
| 23:27.16 | Tallu | Cheetah: no |
| 23:27.41 | Guerin | Cheetah: what makes you think it's bust? |
| 23:27.52 | Cheetah | i can't get my kernel drivers to compile anymore |
| 23:28.01 | abrotman | drivers for what ? |
| 23:28.04 | Cheetah | that is, fcpci |
| 23:28.07 | Cheetah | isdn card drivers |
| 23:28.25 | abrotman | oh quick .. someone make an ISDN joke! |
| 23:28.34 | pickcoder | Cheetah: what compilation errors are you getting |
| 23:28.37 | Guerin | man |
| 23:28.37 | Cheetah | i have a feeling that the compiler got updated as well, finding some weird errors the previous version didnt find |
| 23:28.39 | Cheetah | hang on |
| 23:28.44 | abrotman | of course the compiler got updated |
| 23:28.52 | Guerin | Cheetah: you should be able to install an older compiler |
| 23:28.57 | pickcoder | the compiler isn't the problem |
| 23:29.17 | Guerin | the one in sarge was 3.0*, which should still be available |
| 23:29.28 | Guerin | but the other thing is that kernel sources and such are probably updated |
| 23:29.46 | abrotman | sure .. but building a module with an older gcc that doesn't match the one used to build the kernel probably won't work so well |
| 23:29.53 | Cheetah | http://pastebin.ca/344724 |
| 23:29.55 | Guerin | but it should still build |
| 23:29.59 | Cheetah | there you see the compilation process |
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| 23:30.01 | Guerin | just not load |
| 23:30.56 | Guerin | Cheetah: for one thing, you should build against a newer kernel tree |
| 23:31.14 | Guerin | Cheetah: so the first thing is to install 2.6.18 or whatever is in etch |
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| 23:31.26 | Moffa | back to mine, anyway of getting X to use new higher resolutions from new monitor without restarting X or rebooting? |
| 23:31.44 | Cheetah | Guerin, let me reboot into 2.6.18 then.. hang on |
| 23:31.46 | dondelelcaro | Moffa: if you've got your X configuration set to enable it yes, otherwise no. |
| 23:31.52 | dondelelcaro | Moffa: check what xrandr says. |
| 23:32.05 | Guerin | then if it STILL fails to build with the same gcc as the kernel, you'll probably have to rebuild the kernel AND the module with an older gcc |
| 23:32.10 | Moffa | dondelelcaro, ok, just a sec |
| 23:32.13 | pickcoder | those look like compat issues |
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| 23:32.29 | Cheetah | Guerin, the last thing i want to do is to build a custom kernel |
| 23:33.06 | Guerin | Cheetah: well, if it's easier to get rid of the isdn altogether ... |
| 23:33.23 | pickcoder | Cheetah: make sure you have matching headers for the kernel you are running |
| 23:33.26 | Moffa | dondelelcaro, only old resolutions from old crt are listed |
| 23:33.28 | pickcoder | you may have to install them manually |
| 23:33.34 | Cheetah | well, how can I force make to use a certain compiler? |
| 23:33.46 | Guerin | Cheetah: set CC and HOSTCC variables |
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| 23:33.49 | rpc | do you know if Etch kernel has proxy arp enabled by default? |
| 23:33.53 | DrCurl | hi |
| 23:34.09 | Cheetah | here is the compilation under 2.6.18 |
| 23:34.10 | Cheetah | http://pastebin.ca/344729 |
| 23:34.25 | abrotman | rpc: look in the config |
| 23:34.35 | dondelelcaro | Moffa: then you'll have to restart X after changing your configuration |
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| 23:34.49 | pickcoder | Cheetag: dpkg -l linux-kernel-headers* |
| 23:34.53 | pickcoder | s/g/h |
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| 23:35.08 | Cheetah | ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18-6 |
| 23:35.11 | Moffa | dondelelcaro, ok, not what I wanted to hear, but its what I thought. thanks |
| 23:35.12 | asdf__ | I need a rescue CD -- suggestions? |
| 23:35.20 | DrCurl | I'm trying to install from the netinstall cd (etch), the install is frozen at 5%. I'm at the step where te installer pull tasksel chosen stuff. What should I do? |
| 23:35.24 | streuner | asdf__: grml.org |
| 23:35.49 | pickcoder | what about libc6-dev |
| 23:35.51 | Guerin | DrCurl: rc1 has been doing this. Use a daily. |
| 23:36.03 | Cheetah | pickcoder, seen my response? |
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| 23:36.13 | maddash | guerin: where are the openssh logs located? |
| 23:36.14 | pickcoder | Cheetah: yes |
| 23:36.40 | Guerin | maddash: depends what you mean. /var/log/auth.log records login attempts and such. |
| 23:36.41 | DrCurl | Guerin, oh, thanks, I'll look for a daily |
| 23:37.02 | Guerin | maddash: though it's not strictly the ssh log, it's PAM |
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| 23:37.18 | maddash | Guerin: access logs? |
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| 23:37.38 | Guerin | maddash: access logs like what commands the user ran while logged in? |
| 23:37.53 | Cheetah | pickcoder, any idea on that? :) |
| 23:37.58 | pickcoder | Cheetah: ls -ld /usr/include/linux |
| 23:38.07 | pickcoder | is it a symlink? |
| 23:38.09 | Paddy_EIRE | !java |
| 23:38.09 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 23:38.17 | rpc | abrotman i'm looking at the conf but can't see that option anywhere |
| 23:38.28 | rpc | abrotman there is no such thing as PROXY in whole conf |
| 23:38.40 | maddash | Guerin: logs that summarize past access attempts from various IP addrs |
| 23:38.45 | pickcoder | Cheetah: if not, the next thing to check is the Makefile.. see where the include root is pointing to |
| 23:38.51 | Guerin | maddash: yeah, auth.log. |
| 23:39.07 | Paddy_EIRE | could someone tell me what the repo address is for the java runtime |
| 23:39.14 | maddash | Guerin: cool, thanks. |
| 23:39.17 | Cheetah | pickcoder, i found some info in the web saying that the said driver is known to not work on kernels > 2.6.17 |
| 23:39.24 | Cheetah | it requires some kernel patch |
| 23:39.51 | gmcinnes | is exim4 configuration busted? |
| 23:39.52 | gmcinnes | I'm having big trouble. |
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| 23:40.10 | Paddy_EIRE | !non-free |
| 23:40.10 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 23:40.21 | k-man_ | can you have .255 in an ip address? |
| 23:40.24 | dkr | yes |
| 23:40.29 | k-man_ | ok, thanks |
| 23:40.32 | k-man_ | just checking |
| 23:40.36 | Guerin | Cheetah: sucks to be you |
| 23:40.39 | dkr | consider a /23 netblock |
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| 23:40.46 | pickcoder | Cheetah: well you can patch the debian source or just boot an older kernel |
| 23:40.58 | Guerin | k-man_: it's atypical for most use cases |
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| 23:41.10 | Cheetah | i'm booting an older kernel now and i'll try to compile against the older kernel headers |
| 23:41.11 | k-man_ | Guerin, why? |
| 23:41.38 | Guerin | k-man_: the top number of a range is reserved for broadcast - .255 is the top number of common ranges. |
| 23:41.47 | Guerin | k-man_: but you can do literally anything you like with blocks you control. |
| 23:41.50 | k-man_ | Guerin, yes, thats what I thought |
| 23:41.54 | dkr | k-man_: because networks are usually partitioned into network blocks of /24 or smaller |
| 23:41.57 | k-man_ | Guerin, oh, i see |
| 23:42.28 | Guerin | k-man_: aptitude install ipcalc |
| 23:42.36 | Guerin | makes this sort of thing make some sense |
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| 23:43.12 | k-man_ | Guerin, ok, thanks |
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| 23:44.16 | Guerin | Quintin: finally, we agree on something! |
| 23:44.27 | Quintin | Guerin: lol |
| 23:44.30 | Guerin | it could all disappear from the face of the earth and I'd never miss it |
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| 23:45.20 | Quintin | I think that the whole RMS everything has to be free mentality is rather stupid |
| 23:45.26 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:45.30 | Guerin | so we disagree after all |
| 23:45.34 | Guerin | *shock* |
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| 23:46.06 | Quintin | It's sjust stupid to have that view. I really don't think it will ever happen |
| 23:46.15 | Guerin | Quintin: why is it stupid? |
| 23:46.34 | Guerin | from a philosophical perspective, or from a utilitarian/pragmatic perspective? |
| 23:46.36 | Quintin | Guerin: It's not at all practical. |
| 23:46.49 | Guerin | ok, so that's just a temporary consideration |
| 23:46.51 | Quintin | Guerin: the 2nd one |
| 23:46.57 | Guerin | sicne sufficient people are working on fixing it |
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| 23:47.46 | gmcinnes | exim4_config doesn' seem to belive me that I want a monolithic file |
| 23:48.04 | Quintin | Guerin: Don't hold your breath for noveou to have same performance as nvidia |
| 23:48.08 | gmcinnes | I wish there was one task I could get through without hitting a wall of suck. |
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| 23:48.29 | Guerin | Quintin: irrelevant. If I want to play games I can use a console. |
| 23:48.44 | Quintin | gmcinnes: You get a bunch of little files even if you pick monolithic. |
| 23:48.56 | gmcinnes | gmcinnes: so I see. |
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| 23:49.00 | Quintin | Guerin: That's you. You are *one* person. So hardly irrelevant. |
| 23:49.05 | gmcinnes | Quintin: hurrah. |
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| 23:49.23 | Quintin | gmcinnes: What are you trying to get exim to do? |
| 23:49.24 | gmcinnes | Quintin: since I don't konw the file, I don't know what should go where. |
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| 23:49.34 | gmcinnes | gmcinnes: set up smtp auth |
| 23:50.01 | Quintin | gmcinnes: There is a file under /etc/exim4 or wahtever, where you can put in your changes. after that, do a dpkg-reconfigure exim4 and it will incorporate those changes. |
| 23:50.07 | Quintin | gmcinnes: I had to do that with mine, let me take a look |
| 23:50.10 | Guerin | Quintin: but I'm not alone. The point being that there are few tasks which can be performed only with proprietary software, but there are many tasks which can be performed only with free software. |
| 23:50.39 | Quintin | gmcinnes: Put your changes into /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 23:50.52 | Quintin | Guerin: Yea ok comrade. |
| 23:50.57 | Guerin | now, some of those tasks which currently *require* proprietary software are quite important to a lot of people, but most of them are issues of convenience. |
| 23:51.04 | pickcoder | basic computing requirements should not require a monetary license, imo |
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| 23:51.27 | gmcinnes | Quintin: ok. if I put things in there that are already defined in the template file will it clobber whats in the template file? |
| 23:51.31 | pickcoder | if you want a 3D CAD program to model DNA, that's a different story |
| 23:51.32 | Guerin | pickcoder: the trouble is in defining `basic' |
| 23:51.33 | Quintin | Guerin: Convenience is what Joe Servicepack cares about. He'slll also pay $200/yr for it |
| 23:51.37 | Guerin | pickcoder: right. |
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| 23:51.51 | Quintin | gmcinnes: ... I said after you do it to do dpkg-reconfigure exim4 :P |
| 23:51.56 | Quintin | gmcinnes: That will incorporate your changes |
| 23:52.01 | gmcinnes | oh. ok. |
| 23:52.04 | Guerin | Quintin: so let him. That's his choice. But it's not *necessary*. |
| 23:52.04 | pickcoder | Guerin: the base line changes semi-annually due to enhancements in the industry |
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| 23:52.22 | pickcoder | for some niches it changes more often |
| 23:52.23 | Quintin | Guerin: Yes it is, for most people. |
| 23:52.57 | Guerin | Quintin: no. Just because it's a trade-off he's willing to make (money and restrictive licensing for convenience) doesn't make it *necessary*. |
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| 23:53.17 | Guerin | Quintin: if the option to make that tradeoff disappeared overnight he'd find a way to cope with the lack of convenience. |
| 23:53.25 | Quintin | Guerin: Guess what: he doesn't care. he just wants it to work. a computer to most people is like a refrigerator. |
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| 23:53.39 | Guerin | Quintin: I'm not disputing that. |
| 23:53.41 | Quintin | Guerin: That will never happen. |
| 23:53.46 | gabri_ | hi people how i can resove this problem? |
| 23:53.47 | gabri_ | painting/qprintengine_ps.cpp: In member function 'void QPSPrintEngineFontFT::charproc(int, QTextStream&)': |
| 23:53.51 | Guerin | Quintin: I'm not disputing that, either. |
| 23:53.51 | gabri_ | painting/qprintengine_ps.cpp:1915: error: invalid conversion from 'int (*)(FT_Vector*, void*)' to 'int (*)(const FT_Vector*, void*)' |
| 23:53.51 | pickcoder | Quitin: the general public also wants a lot for nothing |
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| 23:53.55 | gabri_ | i am triyin compile qt4 |
| 23:53.58 | pickcoder | Quintin even |
| 23:54.19 | Guerin | gabri_: ask #kde or #qt |
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| 23:54.32 | Quintin | pickcoder: your tab auto-completion is broke! :-o |
| 23:54.43 | pickcoder | Quintin: nope.. I'm inconsistent in using it |
| 23:54.58 | Guerin | whereas I'm just consistently crap at using it |
| 23:55.10 | octoberdan | Are there any decent emulators to run windows programs? Wine just doesn't always cut it. |
| 23:55.20 | Guerin | octoberdan: nope. |
| 23:55.29 | Quintin | octoberdan: cedega ? crossover office? vmware? xen? |
| 23:55.35 | Quintin | octoberdan: dosbox? |
| 23:55.42 | Guerin | can xen run windows now? |
| 23:55.56 | pickcoder | I have yet to need wine |
| 23:56.07 | maddash | i have yet to need beer |
| 23:56.08 | Guerin | i haven't bothered with it in years |
| 23:56.14 | pickcoder | and I own many doze boxes too |
| 23:56.20 | Guerin | i have yet to need beer *today* |
| 23:56.56 | octoberdan | Quintin: I took a look at crossover office awhile back and was tempted to buy it. Have you had any experience with it? |
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| 23:57.14 | Quintin | octoberdan: No I have not. Sorry |
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| 23:58.02 | octoberdan | There seems to be a CrossOver Linux by the CrossOver Office |
| 23:58.07 | octoberdan | people |
| 23:58.28 | octoberdan | CodeWeavers |
| 23:58.32 | Guerin | crossover office is the reason wine is so shit |
| 23:58.34 | pickcoder | CrossOver just sounds so... deathly |
| 23:58.42 | Guerin | so I dislike it for that reason |
| 23:59.01 | Guerin | though it's largely academic for me, since I have no need to run any windows gear |
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