| 00:00.18 | pickcoder | Bonkers: that's a bad idea |
| 00:00.22 | Guerin | Bonkers: build your package as a .deb with proper dependencies and such |
| 00:00.34 | maddash | octoberdan: qemu+kqemu is quite fast. also try virtualbox. |
| 00:00.35 | Guerin | Bonkers: otherwise the plugins and things are unlikely to work anyhow |
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| 00:01.03 | maddash | Guerin: you have a wife, why would you need beer? |
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| 00:01.18 | gmcinnes | Quintin: It doesn't seem to work :( It's complaining about 'command not found' |
| 00:01.24 | Ronin | thats why he needs a beer maddash |
| 00:01.32 | maddash | ohhhh |
| 00:01.40 | Guerin | maddash: how does a wife fulfill the role of beer? I can't drink her, she doesn't go well with pizza, and she certainly doesn't keep me cool on a hot day. |
| 00:01.43 | octoberdan | maddash: Thanks for the advice |
| 00:01.49 | Bonkers | Guerin: can I just dpkg -i over it? |
| 00:01.54 | Guerin | Bonkers: no. |
| 00:01.59 | octoberdan | Guerin: haha |
| 00:02.00 | dexomsrc | Where do I go to tell when Beryl will hit sid? |
| 00:02.03 | Guerin | Bonkers: well, maybe. But likely not. |
| 00:02.08 | Quintin | gmcinnes: wtf |
| 00:02.10 | Guerin | Bonkers: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 00:02.21 | Quintin | gmcinnes: dpkg-reconfigure *has* to be there. try 'which dpkg-reconfigure' |
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| 00:03.22 | octoberdan | I need to find a way to play Macromedia Director Protected Movies (dxr) through linux... |
| 00:03.22 | Guerin | dexomsrc: when etch releases, it'll be announced on /. - beryl should be not too long after that |
| 00:03.22 | Guerin | octoberdan: you have my condolences |
| 00:03.22 | g333k_laptop | !printer |
| 00:03.22 | dpkg | hmm... printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf |
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| 00:03.23 | gmcinnes | Quintin: no, I mean the commands I put in update-exim4.conf.conf |
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| 00:03.36 | dexomsrc | Guerin: I thought Etch was still frozen, so new packes in sid aren't moving into Etch anymore... if that's truly the case then why refrain from adding it into sid? |
| 00:03.40 | maddash | gmcinnes: make sure you have debconf installed |
| 00:03.49 | gmcinnes | It's complaining 'command not found' about them when I run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:03.50 | Guerin | dexomsrc: because the devs are all working on etch. |
| 00:04.02 | maddash | gmcinnes: make sure you have debconf installed |
| 00:04.12 | maddash | gmcinnes: `sudo aptitude install debconf` |
| 00:04.27 | Quintin | gmcinnes: odd. make sure your syntax is correct |
| 00:04.33 | dexomsrc | Guerin: That's a good reason. |
| 00:05.04 | gmcinnes | maddash: it's installed. |
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| 00:05.22 | maddash | wtf am I talking about? of course debconf is installed. |
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| 00:06.05 | pickcoder | gmcinnes: are you root? |
| 00:06.23 | gmcinnes | pickcoder: yup. |
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| 00:06.29 | pickcoder | which dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:06.44 | pickcoder | see if your PATH is not pointing to the right bin dir |
| 00:07.14 | maddash | pickcoder: get him to enter in the full path |
| 00:07.52 | maddash | gmcinnes: try `/usr/sbin/dpkg-[...] [..]` |
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| 00:08.09 | Bonkers | Guerin: is there any way to do the unsafe method that might break plugins? I'd like to try that first |
| 00:08.18 | Bonkers | I"m compiling the same version, just trying to fix a bug |
| 00:08.26 | gmcinnes | I don't think its a dpkg problem guys. I think its that I don't understand the cruddy exim configuration. |
| 00:08.46 | pickcoder | Bonkers: if you install over an existing package then you are asking for upgrade problems |
| 00:09.20 | holycow | guys ... this is odd the sarge 2.6 kernel seems to have a problem seeing my raid one adaptec setup but the 2.4 kernel can work with them fine |
| 00:09.25 | holycow | anyone run into this before? |
| 00:09.26 | maddash | gmcinnes: try `/usr/sbin/dpkg-[...] [..]` |
| 00:09.44 | pickcoder | holycow: which controller |
| 00:09.58 | holycow | 2120s |
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| 00:10.03 | pickcoder | eek |
| 00:10.13 | pickcoder | that's a sata_sil and I think it's on the blacklist now |
| 00:10.13 | holycow | aic79xx seems to work fine with 2.4 .. but not 2.6 |
| 00:10.19 | holycow | oh really? |
| 00:10.26 | pickcoder | I have one |
| 00:10.33 | pickcoder | and it puked many times on 2.6 |
| 00:10.38 | Guerin | Bonkers: it depends on how the plugins work. If you can rebuild without breaking the ABI, then it should work. |
| 00:10.46 | holycow | pickcoder, whats the issue with it? i thought they open sourced their drivers? |
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| 00:10.55 | Guerin | Bonkers: if you want to just plaiun trick debian's [ackaging system, you can use equivs. |
| 00:10.57 | pickcoder | holycow: it's a POS controller |
| 00:11.11 | holycow | pickcoder, oh |
| 00:11.11 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 00:11.11 | holycow | heh |
| 00:11.13 | pickcoder | hold on |
| 00:11.23 | pickcoder | I may be wrong about the model |
| 00:11.26 | holycow | pickcoder, got recommendations for a scsi controller that is quality? |
| 00:11.47 | holycow | pickcoder, it would be cool if you could confirm, i thought i researched it well enough |
| 00:11.54 | Seb | heya fellows |
| 00:11.57 | holycow | but the symptoms sound familiar |
| 00:12.07 | Seb | i just install 2.6.18-4-686 and I get a kernel panic on boot |
| 00:12.09 | pickcoder | I'm wrong |
| 00:12.17 | pickcoder | have you tried the I20 driver? |
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| 00:12.29 | pickcoder | I think the I20 was dropped after 2.4 |
| 00:12.45 | pickcoder | but I haven't touched a 2100 series controller in a few years |
| 00:13.08 | holycow | oh okay, no i haven't it tries to load the aic79xx driver at boot ... how do i get d-i to try to use that driver? maybe install 2.4 then load up 2.6 with that i20 driver? |
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| 00:13.43 | pickcoder | the 2120S is a 2-port SCSI LVD right? |
| 00:13.44 | Bonkers | Guerin: where would I look up equivs? |
| 00:13.52 | Guerin | Bonkers: ask dpkg |
| 00:13.58 | holycow | pickcoder, yeah |
| 00:14.00 | Guerin | Bonkers: or install it and rtfm |
| 00:14.18 | pickcoder | OK I have one in an old box here, but it's running a 2.4 kernel |
| 00:14.22 | Paddy_EIRE | !radeon |
| 00:14.22 | dpkg | it has been said that radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
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| 00:14.53 | litage | if you have several jobs in the background, how do you stop them without bringing them to the foreground? |
| 00:14.59 | holycow | pickcoder, lol indeed. okay i guess back to google, thanks for the headsd up tho, a bit of brainstormin is good |
| 00:15.07 | holycow | appreciate it ... sounds like definately a driver issue |
| 00:15.18 | pickcoder | holycow: let me look around. I have to hit the road, but I'll be back later |
| 00:15.31 | holycow | pickcoder, neato, i'll be here. appreciate it! |
| 00:15.43 | Paddy_EIRE | how would i determine if direct rendering is enabled |
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| 00:15.57 | vydd | does anyone know how to change keyboard layout names shown by gnome keyboard indicator applet? |
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| 00:16.49 | vydd | Paddy_EIRE: glxinfo for example |
| 00:17.10 | vydd | glxinfo | grep direct |
| 00:18.13 | holycow | whats the next version of debian? etch right? i will try using that as its near release i guess |
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| 00:18.51 | Cheetah | thanks for your support earlier. I somehow managed to compile the driver ont he newer kernel by using a suse .rpm ;) |
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| 00:20.09 | ReinH | Hmmm... installing debian from a netinst CD, it always seems to hang at 5% of "Select and Install Software" after I pick the configuration I want "Web Server, DNS Server, etc" |
| 00:20.19 | ReinH | Any ideas? :) |
| 00:21.06 | abrotman | use a newer etch netinst |
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| 00:22.32 | bintut | is there a way i override iceweasel and install back firefox? |
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| 00:22.59 | Coweater | they're the same thing |
| 00:23.21 | sunnyhours4130 | can anyone help me try to boot my system without loading /etc/lircd? Its causing my system to reboot repeatedly...... |
| 00:23.47 | abrotman | sunnyhours4130: boot into single user mode .. or use a rescue disc to get it out of there |
| 00:23.57 | abrotman | Coweater: no they aren't |
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| 00:24.03 | abrotman | bintut: you probably don't want to |
| 00:24.06 | sunnyhours4130 | abrotman: how do i boot into single user? |
| 00:24.12 | abrotman | !single |
| 00:24.19 | sunnyhours4130 | !single |
| 00:24.21 | sunnyhours4130 | ? |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | sunnyhours4130: grub or lilo ? |
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| 00:24.28 | bintut | abrotman: why? |
| 00:24.41 | sunnyhours4130 | abrotman: hmm...... good question. gimme a sec. (i'm on another computer right now) |
| 00:24.45 | abrotman | bintut: FF won't be supported via debian patches in etch |
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| 00:25.12 | sunnyhours4130 | abrotman: using lilo |
| 00:25.19 | dondelelcaro | bintut: there's really no reason to use firefox anyway; the difference is entirely cosmetic. |
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| 00:25.32 | abrotman | sunnyhours4130: linux 1 .. should do it |
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| 00:26.10 | bintut | dondelelcaro: the problem is gmail doesn't recognize iceweasel.. my existing firefox plugins doesn't work too in iceweasel.. |
| 00:26.11 | Damm_ | is there a reason why ssh isn't being installed by default on sarge anymore? |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | bintut: plugins suck! |
| 00:26.28 | dondelelcaro | bintut: uh... gmail works just fine with iceweasel, as do the plugins. |
| 00:26.49 | noalt | hi. i am running xorg 6.8.2 and a debian derivative and at the moment my ctrl/alt/shift keys are not working, except when i am focused within 'vmware', the control key is recognized and it works.. and i have no key repeat. any ideas on how to restore state, or what might be wrong/ i am running ratpoison window manager which is keyboard driven so i am rather stuck at the moment. any ideas/ |
| 00:26.53 | Guerin | Damm_: sarge hasn't changed. |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | noalt: which derivative ? |
| 00:27.06 | bintut | dondelelcaro: mouse gestures doesn't work on my iceweasel |
| 00:27.08 | Guerin | noalt: ask your debian derivative to not be so crap |
| 00:27.11 | noalt | abrotman - adamantix. |
| 00:27.21 | Damm_ | Guerin: I just pulled the Packages file from mirrors.kernel.org and it's now 'extra' |
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| 00:27.24 | abrotman | and it has no support of its own ? |
| 00:27.24 | sid | Are there any free software clients(libre) and services where I can call out for free(gratis)? |
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| 00:27.32 | dondelelcaro | bintut: that's a module. Most likely because you haven't updated it to a version that supports FF2.0. |
| 00:27.35 | Damm_ | http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages |
| 00:27.38 | Damm_ | according to that, it's extra |
| 00:27.53 | noalt | abrotman - this doesnt seem to be a distribution specific problem. i have never noticed it happen before. like, maybe vmware and ratpoison both claimed something at the same time.... |
| 00:27.55 | Damm_ | now the package on security.debian.org is not 'extra' which makes it even more weird |
| 00:27.57 | Guerin | sid: to landlines? nttbomk. for voip? several, notably ekiga and wengophone |
| 00:27.59 | dondelelcaro | bintut: visit Tools->Add-ons, and upgrade all of the ones that are not enabled. |
| 00:28.03 | bintut | dondelelcaro: i'm running debian etch here.. my laptop is always updated |
| 00:28.11 | abrotman | noalt: sounds more like a vmware problem :) |
| 00:28.13 | Guerin | sid: i've used ekiga when it was called gnomemeeting, it was decent |
| 00:28.20 | dondelelcaro | bintut: so? those plugins are not distributed with Debian, so they're not. |
| 00:28.35 | noalt | abrotman - quite possibly.. but there must be some standard x commands i can try - in order to try to force refresh of keymap state. |
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| 00:28.42 | abrotman | there is #vmware |
| 00:28.55 | abrotman | noalt: not that i'm aware of |
| 00:29.06 | noalt | abrotman - i have already tried vmware linux xorg ratpoison channels. |
| 00:29.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: can i get my "ctrl-w closes FF/IW" back ? |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | or any keyboard combo |
| 00:29.34 | karsten | How do eith either 1) disable OOo's splash screen or 2) make it moveable? |
| 00:29.43 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ctrl-shift-w should do that |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | that's senseless! |
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| 00:30.01 | maxamillion | any word on when etch will go stable? |
| 00:30.03 | Guerin | karsten: there's a config tag in some xml file to turn it off |
| 00:30.05 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 00:30.05 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 00:30.07 | karsten | abrotman: How'd you lose it? |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | karsten: they chagned it |
| 00:30.18 | bintut | dondelelcaro: my extensions are updated |
| 00:30.25 | karsten | Guerin: And there's a girl somewhere who's just right for me too, right? |
| 00:30.32 | dondelelcaro | bintut: then they should indicate whether they work with FF2.0 or not. |
| 00:30.34 | Bonkers | Guerin: thanks for the help, I got it all to work |
| 00:30.38 | Guerin | karsten: that is by no means assured. |
| 00:30.45 | bintut | ok |
| 00:30.54 | karsten | Guerin: I didn't say "living" or "now" ;-) |
| 00:30.57 | Damm_ | is there any truth that the Debian Project is forking ssh, and creating a more 'license free' version of ssh, called icessh? |
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| 00:31.02 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:31.02 | noalt | any last ideas/ |
| 00:31.12 | karsten | Damm_: Ishh. |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | karsten: http://www.brunolinux.com/06-Fine_Tuning_Your_System/Disable_OpenOffice_SplashScreen.html |
| 00:31.28 | abrotman | google is good |
| 00:31.28 | dondelelcaro | bintut: basically, the only (real) difference between them is the name and the logo. Everything else is in your mind. |
| 00:31.31 | Damm_ | karsten: ahh, so it is true |
| 00:31.39 | karsten | Damm_: I didn't say that. |
| 00:31.41 | abrotman | IW crashes just as much as FF :) |
| 00:31.46 | Damm_ | yes you did |
| 00:31.59 | bintut | dondelelcaro: ok.. thanks for the info.. |
| 00:32.10 | dondelelcaro | Damm_: of course. We're also forking vista, opera, oracle, and for good measure, word prefect. |
| 00:32.17 | karsten | Guerin: Anyhow, as I've been saying: "all the good ones are ded. D-E-D ded." |
| 00:32.18 | Guerin | karsten: Logo=0 in /etc/openoffice/sofficerc |
| 00:32.18 | bintut | dondelelcaro: so, iceweasel is based on firefox 2? |
| 00:32.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:32.38 | dondelelcaro | bintut: it *IS* FF2.0 without the name. |
| 00:32.47 | tuvwx | is Xorg taking 130MB RES and 330MB VIRT usual? |
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| 00:33.05 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: 5502 root 15 0 259m 139m 6104 R 1 13.9 25395:08 Xorg <-- does this answer your question? |
| 00:33.05 | multi_io | tuvwx: looks like the low end to me |
| 00:33.10 | bintut | dondelelcaro: ok.. thanks.. |
| 00:33.10 | karsten | tuvwx: Yes. |
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| 00:34.10 | karsten | Guerin: In related news, the hardes thing about the Lisa Nowak story is resisting the urge to send it to ... former friends with the subject "Thinking of you..." |
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| 00:34.23 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:34.32 | Guerin | DOOO EEET |
| 00:34.41 | dvs | hahhahahaha |
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| 00:35.50 | tuvwx | ice{weasel,dove} are eating my memory. everything is fine once they are closed |
| 00:36.21 | karsten | tuvwx: That is unfortunately bog-standard. |
| 00:36.37 | Caelum | how do you change file associations in firefox? |
| 00:36.39 | tuvwx | there are a few .jar files in them, could it be java causing the memory trouble? |
| 00:36.50 | karsten | tuvwx: I tend to use konqueror myself largely for that reason, and avoid icedove altogether (mutt rawks). |
| 00:36.51 | Guerin | tuvwx: yes. |
| 00:37.01 | Guerin | tuvwx: sun are in cahoots with crucial |
| 00:37.15 | karsten | tuvwx: FF/IW caches previously used pages with few if any memory restrictions. |
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| 00:37.46 | Caelum | do I have to edit mimeTypes.rdf directly? |
| 00:38.19 | holycow | thats only by default |
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| 00:38.27 | holycow | it caches everything in tabs for performance reasons |
| 00:38.30 | holycow | it can be turned off |
| 00:38.43 | tuvwx | holycow, ho? |
| 00:38.56 | sunnyhours4130 | okay, i've booted off another live CD to rescue my system. I need to mount the hard drive first. anyone have any idea what type of filesystem it'd be? ext3 maybe? |
| 00:39.04 | sunnyhours4130 | (assuming i used default settings during install) |
| 00:39.11 | nn-church | A intresting chat is currently hapening at ( sev256.homelinux.net ) irc at # test Please join in! |
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| 00:39.43 | Ronin | quick on the draw tonight i see dondelelcaro :) |
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| 00:40.16 | robin_sz | so, before I went on holiday sometold me to route my email to "| bin true" and .. now I come back and looked inthere and it seems empty .. someone else then told me that /bin/true is "binary" .. so does that mean I'll have to decompress it before I can see my emails then??? |
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| 00:40.33 | Guerin | robin_sz: hahaha |
| 00:41.25 | robin_sz | Guerin, well ... you have to admit its better than my usual "where do I get Debian for Vista" joke |
| 00:41.26 | dkr | yourmail bin true, but it ain't no mo' |
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| 00:41.33 | Guerin | robin_sz: right |
| 00:41.39 | karsten | robin_sz: Hope you enjoy that car trunk. Them's good eatin'. |
| 00:42.06 | Caelum | robin_sz: www.colinux.org :) |
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| 00:42.52 | robin_sz | Guerin, I shall really try not to hold that mental image |
| 00:43.29 | ReinH | abrotman: I downloaded the netinst about 3 hours ago, was the latest o.O |
| 00:43.35 | ReinH | I may just dl a full CD |
| 00:43.44 | Guerin | ah well, if it helps, just imagine me as a 19 year-old redhead |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:43.57 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: that's an even more disturbing image. |
| 00:44.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:44.25 | ReinH | abrotman: will do |
| 00:46.03 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.09 | magyar | mysql |
| 00:46.40 | madd_matt | magyar, I've done roughly that, but with version 4 in the middle. Could you move the data and test it for errors? |
| 00:47.05 | magyar | madd_matt: without export/import? |
| 00:47.14 | Guerin | magyar: why would you not ask #mysql this queestion? |
| 00:47.31 | madd_matt | magyar, I used mysqldump and then re-imported on the new machien |
| 00:47.31 | magyar | Guerin: did, no answers :( |
| 00:47.45 | Guerin | magyar: ask a mailing list or somesuch, or wait |
| 00:47.47 | abrotman | magyar: you should wait longer |
| 00:47.50 | magyar | madd_matt: thx, i'll try that |
| 00:47.53 | Guerin | if it's important, it's important enough to wait. |
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| 00:48.06 | Caelum | what's another good audio player to try aside from xmms and amarok? |
| 00:48.10 | Guerin | i would presume it should work, though |
| 00:48.11 | vydd | hm...I've downloaded gnome-applet sources.....and I'm wondering where are .c, .cpp, .py or any other source files for keyboard indicator? :S |
| 00:48.11 | madd_matt | magyar, just try it. Got a test machine, or if this is non-critical, just do it live, and see if it works. If it doesn't, fire v3 back up again and find help |
| 00:48.13 | Guerin | Caelum: mplayer |
| 00:48.22 | Caelum | Guerin: of course |
| 00:48.24 | magyar | Guerin,abrotman: sry, will do |
| 00:48.34 | Caelum | Guerin: btw, thanks for the tip about dmix, works very nicely |
| 00:48.39 | Guerin | cool |
| 00:49.02 | Guerin | argh, five hours, and I've written 200 words |
| 00:49.15 | abrotman | Guerin: debstats says you've done more! |
| 00:49.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:49.27 | Guerin | *useful* words |
| 00:50.45 | abrotman | golly .. 40/wph .. you should be a secretary |
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| 00:51.03 | Guerin | abrotman: not cheery enough |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | Guerin: they won't care if you work nude |
| 00:52.10 | FernandoMM | Hello, i have a Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.18-3-686 and when i try lsusb i can't see my usb ports. What should i do? I need to install a usb printer. |
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| 00:52.18 | Guerin | depends who `they' are, I suppose. |
| 00:52.31 | abrotman | FernandoMM: lspci .. paste it somewhere |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:52.33 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:53.06 | FernandoMM | abrotman: just a moment... |
| 00:53.17 | FernandoMM | here it is |
| 00:53.18 | FernandoMM | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5303 |
| 00:53.40 | abrotman | do you have a ISA USB controller ? |
| 00:53.49 | abrotman | or pcmcia ? |
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| 00:54.26 | FernandoMM | No, my USB is onboard. |
| 00:54.48 | abrotman | eh .. i don't see it in your USB list .. how old is the box? what cpu ? |
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| 00:55.19 | abrotman | eh .. nah .. PIII |
| 00:55.25 | FernandoMM | abrotman: it a pentium III 450 mhz |
| 00:55.29 | FernandoMM | its* |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | whee! |
| 00:55.47 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 00:55.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, isapnp is a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 00:56.02 | abrotman | FernandoMM: your USB controller isn't showing up in lspci |
| 00:56.10 | abrotman | !whats my hardare |
| 00:56.12 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:56.12 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
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| 00:57.42 | FernandoMM | abrotman: just checking, even if i need to use modprobe it should show there as unknown device, right? |
| 00:58.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:58.16 | abrotman | if it's a PCI device |
| 00:58.44 | FernandoMM | Also, i can't find package isapnptools :/ |
| 00:58.52 | abrotman | i don't know if hwinfo or lshw show ISA devices |
| 00:59.02 | FernandoMM | does it exist on Debian Etch? |
| 00:59.07 | abrotman | no |
| 00:59.17 | abrotman | maybe the sarge package will install .. |
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| 01:01.10 | FernandoMM | abrotman: i'll try this them. But first, if i download another kernel version, are there any chances of this usb ports appear? |
| 01:01.18 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 01:01.27 | abrotman | try hwinfo or lshw .. see if it shows them |
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| 01:01.33 | abrotman | hwinfo will show *a lot* of data |
| 01:01.34 | acesmythe | hey, question |
| 01:01.40 | abrotman | one per customer |
| 01:02.05 | acesmythe | i'm in sarge debian, using the latest nvidia drivers, but cant get any resolutions higher thatn 800x600 in x (kde) |
| 01:02.08 | acesmythe | thoughts? |
| 01:02.22 | abrotman | you sure you're not using the vesa driver ? |
| 01:02.27 | abrotman | your X log might be useful here |
| 01:02.41 | acesmythe | hmmmm, not entirely, is that set in xf86config-4? |
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| 01:02.52 | xored | are there any gui tools to handly .patch file..seeing what the would modify etc ? |
| 01:02.53 | abrotman | that's one place |
| 01:02.53 | karsten | Any update on when/whether Debian's got a tzdata daylight savings time patch in? |
| 01:03.03 | abrotman | in what? |
| 01:03.31 | karsten | abrotman: "In" as in "In testing, stable, and unstable". |
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| 01:03.47 | acesmythe | how would vesa be enabled? |
| 01:03.49 | abrotman | etch/sid .. AFAIK yes .. and sarge i think got it with r4 |
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| 01:03.55 | acesmythe | i do remember using that when installing... |
| 01:03.57 | abrotman | i think |
| 01:04.03 | karsten | abrotman: Last I see is an update 2006p-1, DST rules for West Australia. |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | !drxx acesmythe |
| 01:04.07 | dpkg | acesmythe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:04.15 | ReinH | Hey, this is interesting, GPG error with apt-get source http://ftp.us.debian.org and http://security.debian.org public key is not available |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | karsten: source package! |
| 01:04.29 | abrotman | aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 01:04.32 | karsten | abrotman: ? |
| 01:04.34 | ReinH | Why on earth? And what keyserver should I use to grab them |
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| 01:04.46 | karsten | abrotman: I'd think that's more a destination package. |
| 01:04.59 | acesmythe | !xmd5 |
| 01:05.00 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 01:05.02 | karsten | ReinH: Any generally peered keyserver. Eg: gpg.mit.edu |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | karsten: don't ask me .. they don't let me go anywhere |
| 01:05.09 | karsten | ReinH: Erm: pgp.mit.edu |
| 01:05.26 | ReinH | karsten: erm... wouldn't it be gpg? lol |
| 01:06.13 | karsten | ReinH: No. PGP is the name of the protocol. |
| 01:06.18 | ReinH | karsten: oh :) kk |
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| 01:06.34 | FernandoMM | abrotman: i have runned hwinfo and i got some stuff like this: 21: ISA(PnP) 00.0: 0000 Unclassified device, is it normal? |
| 01:06.47 | karsten | host pgp.mit.edu: pgp.mit.edu CNAMECRYPTONOMICON.mit.edu CRYPTONOMICON.mit.eduA18.7.14.139 |
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| 01:06.56 | ReinH | karsten: kk ty |
| 01:07.11 | abrotman | FernandoMM: it's possible .. i haven't had to mess with ISAPnP in about eight years |
| 01:07.26 | plagerism | Is openmosix bad or something?? I was going to setup a openmosix cluster in a virtual machine for testing, so I downloaded debian stable, however there are no openmosix packages. and a quicksearch of packages.debian.org shows no packages as well |
| 01:07.42 | plagerism | Is there perhaps something better that has replaced it? |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | for computational clustering ? |
| 01:08.01 | Reiser_X | problems with gnugk |
| 01:08.16 | plagerism | abrotman: I need to setup a cluster for school |
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| 01:08.43 | ReinH | Well that got it, thanks :) |
| 01:08.45 | ReinH | karsten: ty |
| 01:08.50 | plagerism | I was going to use a pvm package for testing the mosix cluster, however its not really just for computational |
| 01:09.06 | Reiser_X | abrotman: hi, do you know somebody can help me ? |
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| 01:09.16 | phet | hello |
| 01:09.41 | phet | Hello, is there any manual to install ati drivers? |
| 01:10.00 | plagerism | Is there any alternative to openmosix and beowulf that has been adopted by the debian community? |
| 01:10.39 | acesmythe | abrotman, did you mean setting the driver as "vesa"? because i'musing "nvidia" now |
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| 01:11.25 | abrotman | Reiser_X: with what ? |
| 01:11.30 | abrotman | i don't even know what gnugk is |
| 01:11.31 | Reiser_X | gnugk man |
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| 01:11.58 | twobitsprite | so... I have this .fon font file... do I need to do anything weird to install it, or do I just plop it down into a font dir? |
| 01:12.05 | black_13 | how get gdm to by bypass the request for a login name/password? |
| 01:12.12 | karsten | abrotman: Looks like it's fixed in 2007a-3, which is in unstable but not testing. |
| 01:12.19 | karsten | black_13: Don't use a login manager. |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | black_13: there's an option for that |
| 01:12.25 | karsten | black_13: ... but don't do that. |
| 01:12.30 | abrotman | karsten: uhm .. it hought it was |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | karsten: kiosk |
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| 01:12.58 | karsten | abrotman: OK. |
| 01:13.10 | abrotman | karsten: what about sarge ? |
| 01:13.22 | karsten | abrotman: Dunno. |
| 01:13.46 | black_13 | abrotman im about halfway there i get an autologin using the gdm.conf file but when i kill the x session using ctrl alt backspace i get a login dialog |
| 01:14.09 | black_13 | the dialog lasts for 5 seconds and then it proceeds to login to my configured user |
| 01:14.15 | abrotman | black_13: try /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 01:14.17 | karsten | abrotman: I'm going to file a wishlist bug covering all three releases. |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | karsten: wishlist ? |
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| 01:14.42 | Reiser_X | abrotman: can you put a message so all people here see it |
| 01:14.50 | black_13 | abrotman, its the login dialog i wish to make invisible |
| 01:15.04 | Reiser_X | abrotman: "Somebody here knows gnugk?" |
| 01:15.11 | abrotman | Reiser_X: i wouldn't even if i could |
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| 01:15.28 | abrotman | Reiser_X: you might want to contact the maintainer |
| 01:15.38 | twobitsprite | I have a bit mapped font... should I put it in /usr/share/fonts/type1 ? |
| 01:15.49 | twobitsprite | i.e. it's a ".fon" file |
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| 01:16.46 | twobitsprite | th only place I see .fon files is in .cxoffice and /usr/share/wine |
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| 01:16.58 | Asche | hi people |
| 01:17.20 | jelly | twobitsprite: what does file say? |
| 01:17.27 | Asche | i have a very stupid problem |
| 01:17.39 | Asche | when i edit the /etc/motd |
| 01:17.47 | Asche | and then y restart the computer |
| 01:17.48 | twobitsprite | jelly: heh... MS-DOS executable PE for MS Windows (DLL) ... |
| 01:18.05 | jelly | twobitsprite: then it probably really is a windows bitmap font |
| 01:18.08 | Asche | the motd becomes to the original automaticly |
| 01:18.11 | Asche | :S |
| 01:18.16 | twobitsprite | jelly: any way to get it to work with X? |
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| 01:19.01 | jelly | twobitsprite: convert it to bdf or pcf somehow, I think wine had a script like fon2bdf or fon2pcf some time ago |
| 01:19.08 | twobitsprite | Asche: try making it read-only... :P |
| 01:19.16 | abrotman | Asche: maybe it's in /etc/issue ? |
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| 01:19.25 | acesmythe | whoops, sorry about that |
| 01:19.37 | acesmythe | so yeah, using "nvidia" as my graphics driver |
| 01:19.45 | Asche | i changed it to read only |
| 01:19.50 | Asche | but nothing |
| 01:19.52 | acesmythe | how do i add addl resolutions? |
| 01:19.58 | abrotman | acesmythe: which nvidia ? |
| 01:20.04 | bronsan | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ssh: |
| 01:20.06 | bronsan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.07 | acesmythe | geforce 7800gtx |
| 01:20.07 | bronsan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:20.27 | Asche | and is not in /etc/issue |
| 01:20.38 | linux_jones | what can i use to find weak wep keys? |
| 01:20.43 | bronsan | got this problem when i try to install ssh. how to config the openssh-server? |
| 01:20.47 | abrotman | Asche: /etc/default/rcS |
| 01:20.51 | acesmythe | i've used gtf to create some modelines, but get a blank screen with those |
| 01:20.54 | abrotman | linux_jones: please dont' ask us that |
| 01:21.03 | jelly | twobitsprite: it might be called something else... I have some converted .pcf.gz as proof that it exists, but don't remember that was it called ;-) |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 01:21.03 | dpkg | sarge hardware support is, like, reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 01:21.12 | karsten | abrotman: Bug filed. |
| 01:21.19 | Asche | abrotman, when i do man rc,. i have this |
| 01:21.21 | Justin | abrotman: it's a trick question, all WEP keys are weak |
| 01:21.22 | Asche | NOTE |
| 01:21.23 | Asche | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.24 | abrotman | karsten: they will laugh at you |
| 01:21.30 | karsten | abrotman: Why? |
| 01:21.32 | acesmythe | i have the binary drivers installed |
| 01:21.37 | abrotman | Justin: doesn't mean we should help him crack them :) |
| 01:21.41 | xored | are there any gui tools to handle .patch file..seeing what they would modify etc ? |
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| 01:22.15 | twobitsprite | jelly: ahh... I found fnt2bdf, but it says "Do not know how to handle 32-bit Windows DLLs.".... |
| 01:22.20 | Justin | xored: 'view file.patch' |
| 01:22.23 | karsten | xored: xterm -e bash |
| 01:22.35 | jelly | twobitsprite: that's funny |
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| 01:22.47 | acesmythe | basically, i just want to know if there's a way to add screen res definitions manually |
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| 01:22.56 | karsten | acesmythe: Yes. |
| 01:23.08 | acesmythe | ... aswell as how that's done :p |
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| 01:23.22 | xored | karsten: Justin : GUI : Graphical User Interface |
| 01:23.23 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 01:23.23 | dpkg | hmm... drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:23.27 | karsten | acesmythe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver.xorg |
| 01:23.32 | bronsan | failed to 'apt-get install ssh'. can anyone help? |
| 01:23.34 | acesmythe | i dont have dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:23.36 | karsten | xored: xterm is a GUI. |
| 01:23.41 | xored | karsten: Justin thats not less, vim, more or nano . |
| 01:23.44 | karsten | bronsan: openssh |
| 01:23.56 | karsten | bronsan: erm, ssh-client / ssh-server. |
| 01:23.58 | xored | kadath: xterm is terminal i guess. |
| 01:24.06 | karsten | !tell bronsan about search |
| 01:24.37 | karsten | bronsan: erm: openssh-client / openssh-server |
| 01:25.03 | g333k_laptop | Hi if I installed debian in english, then I shouldnt have the package openoffice.org-thesaurus-es available for me? I mean the spanish thesaurus-es and hyphenation-es? |
| 01:25.30 | bronsan | karsten: i am confused. i should be installing either one of the openssh-? |
| 01:25.34 | twobitsprite | xored: you can use gvim |
| 01:25.37 | karsten | g333k_laptop: If you installed them you will. |
| 01:25.59 | g333k_laptop | karsten, I mean I dont have them available in my repo, or they dont exist? |
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| 01:26.29 | xored | twobitsprite: iam searching for a tool to compare 2 files ( all files to pach ) and automaticaly show me the things which will change etc..like eclipse SVN / SVC comparing |
| 01:26.43 | karsten | g333k_laptop: They exist. YOu can install them. Your locale doesn't affect your ability to do that. It may affect yoru default language selection for packages with multilingual translations. |
| 01:27.13 | twobitsprite | xored: I have no idea... patch files are pretty easy to read, I've never needed a gui... |
| 01:27.18 | twobitsprite | xored: google might help |
| 01:27.25 | g333k_laptop | karsten, so why I dont see them in the list of pkgs in synaptic? |
| 01:27.46 | karsten | g333k_laptop: NFC. |
| 01:28.05 | bronsan | karsten: when i try to install openssh-client or -server, i get: |
| 01:28.05 | xored | twobitsprite: patch files are easy to read right....but when you dont know the code in exact..what they are patching..you have to search each file..each place..etc |
| 01:28.25 | bronsan | karsten: adduser: The GID 65534 does not exist. |
| 01:28.27 | bronsan | dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure): |
| 01:28.28 | bronsan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.30 | bronsan | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ssh: |
| 01:28.31 | bronsan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.32 | acesmythe | so yeah... are there instructions on adding resolution definitions? |
| 01:28.33 | bronsan | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.36 | karsten | !tell bronsan about paste |
| 01:28.39 | karsten | bronsan: Stop that |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | !drxx acesmythe |
| 01:29.01 | dpkg | acesmythe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:29.11 | acesmythe | as i said, i dont have dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:29.20 | acesmythe | and apt has never heard of it |
| 01:29.26 | bronsan | karsten: don't be petty. you know how to fix the problem? |
| 01:30.14 | twobitsprite | bronsan: its not petty, it's a matter of courtesy |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | acesmythe: are you root ? |
| 01:30.26 | acesmythe | yup |
| 01:30.52 | abrotman | are you on debian ? |
| 01:30.54 | acesmythe | yup |
| 01:30.56 | karsten | bronsan: Not trivially. Use a pastebin and ask channel. I'm working. |
| 01:30.59 | acesmythe | sarge |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | then you should have it |
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| 01:31.26 | acesmythe | ok, assuming i'm not a liar, or an idiot, how do I get it? |
| 01:31.39 | ReinH | Hmmm, this is odd, my sources don't appear to be working. ie apt-cache search isn't showing packages that should be available. I'm on a very minimal debian install but the sources are in sources.list |
| 01:31.48 | ReinH | like, for instance, less is missing o.O |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | !find bin/dpkg-reconfigure sarge |
| 01:32.04 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dpkg-reconfigure' (1): (/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure) in utils/cdebconf,admin/debconf. |
| 01:32.17 | bronsan | karsten, twobitsprite: just as i thought, know-nothings, pretenders. pick on minor issue and avoid the main one. motherfuckers. |
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| 01:32.58 | ReinH | Any ideas? |
| 01:33.01 | karsten | !customer |
| 01:33.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 01:33.08 | twobitsprite | lol |
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| 01:33.54 | twobitsprite | why do people do that? I never prettended to know anything about his question, I was merely pointing out that its impolite to paste in the channel.... |
| 01:33.58 | twobitsprite | rarrr |
| 01:33.59 | twobitsprite | </vent> |
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| 01:34.31 | abrotman | i know how to fix his problem! |
| 01:34.41 | twobitsprite | abrotman: install windows? |
| 01:34.48 | abrotman | no |
| 01:34.52 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 01:35.00 | karsten | abrotman: Burn all bridges and depart channel in a huff..... |
| 01:35.10 | ReinH | karsten: bingo! |
| 01:35.12 | abrotman | yes! |
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| 01:35.29 | pinks | !yes |
| 01:35.29 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 01:35.30 | karsten | twobitsprite: Some people go places looking for an argument, and very often find one. |
| 01:35.53 | twobitsprite | karsten: I realize... it just really irritates me... |
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| 01:35.58 | twobitsprite | !spell irritate |
| 01:36.00 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 01:36.13 | twobitsprite | doh... why do I keep thinking dpkg does !spell? |
| 01:36.23 | karsten | twobitsprite: It's less than ideal, but hey. Other people are largely beyond my control. |
| 01:36.32 | ReinH | So, er, very minimal debian install, packages not showing up, sources in sources.list look good, apt-get update has been run |
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| 01:36.36 | pinks | twobitsprite: "annoy" ;-) |
| 01:36.40 | ReinH | Thoughts? |
| 01:36.47 | twobitsprite | pinks: :) |
| 01:37.07 | karsten | ReinH: /msg dpkg paster and paste your sources.list. Also output of "aptitude update" |
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| 01:37.11 | twobitsprite | ReinH: standard reality-check: did you apt-get update? |
| 01:37.21 | karsten | !tell ReinH about aptitude |
| 01:37.39 | ReinH | twobitsprite: standard reality-check: did you read what I just said? Kidding. Yes, I have. |
| 01:37.43 | ReinH | karsten: will do. |
| 01:37.49 | pinks | twobitsprite: I learn more by just following some of the threads here than ever I do by actually asking a question ;-) |
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| 01:38.04 | ReinH | karsten: might be hard to paste it though lol |
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| 01:38.59 | karsten | ReinH: console-mode browsers fawk for that. 'tee' to a file. |
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| 01:39.07 | ReinH | karsten: assuming I have one installed. And if I don't, I won't be able to until I fix the sources issue. Chicken and egg. sigh |
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| 01:39.28 | ReinH | I do have aptitude installed and I have run apt-get update. |
| 01:39.29 | karsten | ReinH: Poin t;-) |
| 01:39.30 | pinks | karsten: it's all part of the learning curve - and it's steep down here..... |
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| 01:39.40 | karsten | ReinH: lynx should be installed. Possibly w3m or links. |
| 01:39.53 | karsten | pinks: Steep learning curve => high payoff function. |
| 01:39.55 | holycow | aha! |
| 01:40.16 | holycow | etch can see the adaptec 2120s scsi raid |
| 01:40.19 | ReinH | karsten: They are not. I'm here because the netinst disc was unable to actually do the net install |
| 01:40.26 | twobitsprite | holycow: holycow! |
| 01:40.29 | twobitsprite | (sorry, had to) |
| 01:40.31 | ReinH | So my debian install is very, very, very menimal |
| 01:40.37 | ReinH | *minimal |
| 01:40.43 | holycow | twobitsprite, 'sokay, everyone does :) |
| 01:40.44 | karsten | ReinH: Dig. Booting Knoppix and chrooting in to fix the install can be useful as well. |
| 01:40.54 | ReinH | I'm not sure why it was having trouble. |
| 01:41.00 | ReinH | haha |
| 01:41.20 | karsten | bbiam |
| 01:41.23 | ReinH | I'd rather not wait a few days to download the debian DVD, but I have no idea why the netinst didn't work |
| 01:41.28 | ReinH | I'm not behind a firewall or a proxy |
| 01:41.49 | twobitsprite | ReinH: I might have missed this, but do you get errors when updating? |
| 01:41.49 | ReinH | I can ping out |
| 01:41.55 | ReinH | twobitsprite: no sir. |
| 01:42.00 | twobitsprite | you can ping your sources? |
| 01:42.10 | ReinH | twobitsprite: I should try that lol, I assumed so. |
| 01:42.39 | ReinH | yep, no problem |
| 01:42.41 | twobitsprite | if you can ping out, you should be able to ping your sources, but always good to check... reality might have warped on you |
| 01:42.46 | ReinH | indeed |
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| 01:43.22 | ReinH | If I could get the net install disc to actually work I wouldn't be having this problem. So maybe we could try that tack? |
| 01:43.43 | twobitsprite | ReinH: I have no other ideas... trying again might help |
| 01:43.50 | ReinH | What could cause it to freeze? I select a mirror and then it hangs at 5% |
| 01:44.02 | twobitsprite | ReinH: how long did you wait? :P |
| 01:44.03 | Guerin | ReinH: the rc1 installer does this |
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| 01:44.09 | ReinH | Guerin: orly? |
| 01:44.15 | ReinH | twobitsprite: about 2 hours o.O |
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| 01:44.27 | Guerin | this is a known issue - at least, people have been reporting it in here since this morning or a few days ago |
| 01:44.34 | ReinH | Guerin: oh, ok, suggestions? |
| 01:44.38 | Guerin | ReinH: use the daily |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | ask #debian-boot :) |
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| 01:44.50 | abrotman | ReinH: what was the name of the ISO you used ? |
| 01:44.54 | Guerin | yeah, #d-boot on irc.debian.org should know |
| 01:44.57 | ReinH | abrotman: yeah, lol, you mentioned that. I was just about to /lastlog for it |
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| 01:45.17 | twobitsprite | holyshit, there's an irc.debian.org? |
| 01:45.22 | ReinH | hahahaha |
| 01:45.33 | Guerin | twobitsprite: it's irc.oftc.net |
| 01:45.38 | ReinH | I may just use a sarge netinst disc and then apt-get dist-upgrade after changing my sources |
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| 01:45.43 | ReinH | or... hell... use the daily |
| 01:45.52 | Guerin | used to be this network, but we gave the powers that be a bad name |
| 01:46.00 | abrotman | didn't we tell you to use a daily ? |
| 01:46.02 | Guerin | \rthat works too |
| 01:46.11 | ReinH | abrotman: yes, yes, no need for that :) |
| 01:46.13 | Guerin | i told someone to use a daily about an hour ago |
| 01:46.14 | ReinH | abrotman: I was agreeing |
| 01:46.16 | Guerin | i forget who |
| 01:46.23 | abrotman | same guy |
| 01:46.27 | Guerin | bah |
| 01:46.32 | ReinH | abrotman: doubt it |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | don't make me get logs! |
| 01:46.41 | ReinH | abrotman: have I done something to get on your nerves? |
| 01:46.50 | abrotman | nope |
| 01:46.51 | ReinH | Just trying to get a little help, and I do appreciate it |
| 01:46.57 | Guerin | ReinH: this isn't a nervy abrotman |
| 01:47.10 | ReinH | Guerin: I imagine I don't want to see a nervy abrotman, do I? ;) |
| 01:47.10 | Guerin | you'd know if he was, he'd have cake on his butt |
| 01:47.27 | GeorgeS069 | and an umbrella hat |
| 01:47.36 | Guerin | abrotman: go on, admit it ... that was YOUR wedding! |
| 01:47.41 | twobitsprite | text-only communication is a bit of a tragedy in that dry sarcasm or mis-worded statements can be easily taken the wrong way |
| 01:47.43 | ice63 | how can i get rid of this gpg error secvrity ? |
| 01:47.45 | ReinH | hahaha |
| 01:47.52 | Guerin | ice63: /topic |
| 01:48.00 | ReinH | twobitsprite: indeedy, I try to avoid it, but I'm a naturally dry-witted guy |
| 01:48.08 | abrotman | Guerin: eh .. no it wasn't |
| 01:48.17 | Guerin | abrotman: you would say that! |
| 01:48.17 | muaddib | Has anyone worked with alternate pathing |
| 01:48.34 | ice63 | i'm in useing irssi |
| 01:48.39 | Guerin | muaddib: wtf is that supposed to mean in non-hype-speak? |
| 01:48.45 | twobitsprite | ReinH: as am I... which is why I tend to stay quite so as to keep myself out of trouble |
| 01:48.53 | karsten | twobitsprite: ... not to mention the painful inability to reach through the monitor and strangle some idi*t who badly deserves it. |
| 01:49.04 | twobitsprite | muaddib: ditto Guerin |
| 01:49.20 | twobitsprite | karsten: true as well... as corrolary(sp?) |
| 01:49.24 | ReinH | karsten: not me this time, I hope :) |
| 01:49.31 | karsten | ReinH: Not yet ;-) |
| 01:49.35 | ReinH | karsten: heh, yet |
| 01:49.48 | ReinH | Well I'll get on with it, then |
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| 01:50.00 | adrakoa | hi |
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| 01:50.06 | ReinH | hmmm, maybe I should use debootstrap. I do have a linux installed and wget works, after all... |
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| 01:50.34 | Guerin | ReinH: oh, you have something installed? |
| 01:50.41 | lunaphyte | how can i make cron mail only stderr? |
| 01:50.44 | Guerin | ReinH: ie, you have a root shell and apt? |
| 01:50.57 | ReinH | Guerin: yes, I have an apparently flawed basic install of debian, but I have shell, apt, and wget |
| 01:51.19 | ReinH | Guerin: but apt is missing a *lot* of packages and I can't figure out why. |
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| 01:52.19 | Guerin | ReinH: add the line deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main to /etc/apt/sources.list (comment all other lines) and run aptitude update |
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| 01:52.41 | paulfm | evening all |
| 01:52.57 | ReinH | Guerin: That line is there. I shall uncomment all others and run aptitude update (although fwiw I have run apt-get update multiple times) |
| 01:53.19 | paulfm | hey can someone please tell me how I kill ALL process named mpg123 (like if I have 6 instances running) |
| 01:53.27 | abrotman | killall mpg123 |
| 01:53.27 | Guerin | paulfm: killall |
| 01:53.30 | twobitsprite | paulfm: killall mpg123 |
| 01:53.39 | Guerin | !groupthink |
| 01:53.40 | dpkg | <x0563511> * i mean the mixer refuses to work <simonrvn> x0563511: adduser your_user audio <Guerin> x0563511: as root; adduser <user> audio <citral> x0563511: adduser <user> audio, logout, login |
| 01:53.51 | paulfm | twobitsprite: Well - I only have Kill... not killall |
| 01:54.12 | ReinH | paulfm: do you have pkill? |
| 01:54.14 | paulfm | I also have something called killall5... but it doesnt work |
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| 01:54.22 | ReinH | or even pgrep? |
| 01:54.24 | karsten | paulfm: Don't do that. |
| 01:54.27 | abrotman | !find bin/killall$ sarge |
| 01:54.27 | twobitsprite | paulfm: apt-get install psmism (is that the right one?) |
| 01:54.31 | ReinH | karsten: too late, lol |
| 01:54.32 | Guerin | paulfm: install psmisc |
| 01:54.33 | paulfm | ReinH: yes I do - Ill check it out |
| 01:54.35 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/killall' (1): (/usr/bin/killall) in admin/psmisc. |
| 01:54.45 | karsten | paulfm: killall5 is the System V killall. Which kills *all* processes. |
| 01:54.46 | Guerin | !win me |
| 01:54.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Cleveland! |
| 01:54.50 | ReinH | pgrep -f mpg123 |xargs kill should work eh? |
| 01:55.06 | paulfm | Rein: fortunately I do a man xxxx before I do anything silly |
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| 01:55.13 | Dacicus | lol, Cleveland |
| 01:55.21 | paulfm | karsten: thanks |
| 01:55.22 | karsten | ReinH: sure. |
| 01:55.23 | ReinH | paulfm: phew :) |
| 01:55.32 | paulfm | well I used to use killall - but now in etch - I dont have it |
| 01:55.33 | ReinH | karsten: I'm not a total linux noob :) |
| 01:55.36 | twobitsprite | Dacicus: eh? |
| 01:55.42 | paulfm | Rein: heh... naughty you |
| 01:55.43 | abrotman | paulfm: install psmisc package |
| 01:55.51 | hackeron | I've overclocked my CPU by a slight amount to stop 720P movies from playing jerky and cpufreq-selector is now reporting no cpufreq support when it works fine without an overclock - any ideas why and how to make it work with the overclock? |
| 01:55.59 | karsten | paulfm: It's conveniently named "killall" on some Unixen, eg: Solaris. Which can result in ... interesting events for those more attuned to Linux. |
| 01:56.06 | paulfm | Guerin: Psmisc.. Ill check it out |
| 01:56.07 | karsten | abrotman: schadenfreud? |
| 01:56.11 | Guerin | hackeron: seriously. |
| 01:56.16 | karsten | abrotman: Same reason Philly is ;-) |
| 01:56.27 | abrotman | karsten: they aren't even in the same class |
| 01:56.36 | hackeron | Guerin: ? |
| 01:56.41 | karsten | abrotman: I'm sorry to hear that about you ;-) |
| 01:56.42 | twobitsprite | karsten: yeah... I tried killall on AIX last week... :( |
| 01:56.50 | twobitsprite | karsten: as root... |
| 01:56.54 | paulfm | so is the answer install psmisc? |
| 01:56.59 | Guerin | hackeron: `hi, i just put a new gearbox and 24" wheels on it, and now my speedo isn't calibrated right" |
| 01:57.02 | twobitsprite | paulfm: sounds like it |
| 01:57.10 | karsten | abrotman: ... or cleveland. |
| 01:57.12 | paulfm | twobitsprite: thanks |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | karsten: right .. |
| 01:57.25 | twobitsprite | paulfm: or, ps ax | grep mpg123 and paste each PID into a kill command :P |
| 01:57.27 | karsten | abrotman: I *have* however been in PA, but not OH. |
| 01:57.27 | muaddib | Guerin: With alternate pathing, I/O operations in a live system are automatically and transparently redirected to a predetermined I/O channel if the primary path fails or must be removed from the configuration. When used in conjunction with dynamic reconfiguration, it provides the ability to seamlessly move all I/O from a system board before its removal for upgrade or repair. |
| 01:57.29 | abrotman | Guerin: you wear a speedo ? |
| 01:57.39 | abrotman | karsten: pittsburgh ? |
| 01:57.40 | muaddib | twobitsprite: With alternate pathing, I/O operations in a live system are automatically and transparently redirected to a predetermined I/O channel if the primary path fails or must be removed from the configuration. When used in conjunction with dynamic reconfiguration, it provides the ability to seamlessly move all I/O from a system board before its removal for upgrade or repair. |
| 01:57.44 | Guerin | muaddib: no idea. |
| 01:57.47 | abrotman | holy crap |
| 01:57.55 | twobitsprite | muaddib: no need to repeat, we can both see what you said |
| 01:57.55 | paulfm | twobitsprite: yes... thanks again... Ill try whatever works |
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| 01:58.05 | adrakoa | where could i see the source dpkg bot? |
| 01:58.11 | abrotman | !blootbot |
| 01:58.12 | dpkg | i guess blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 01:58.16 | karsten | twobitsprite: ps waux | awk '$11 ~ "<processname>" {print $2}' | xargs kill |
| 01:58.16 | Guerin | abrotman: blootbot.sf.net |
| 01:58.21 | abrotman | no thanks |
| 01:58.22 | paulfm | thanks all for the help... youz all rule |
| 01:58.24 | Guerin | abrotman: because you need to know |
| 01:58.28 | adrakoa | :) |
| 01:58.32 | twobitsprite | karsten: show off |
| 01:58.36 | ReinH | Oooh, just found an error in aptitude update. At least I'm getting somewhere: Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) |
| 01:58.39 | hackeron | Guerin: I've added 200mhz that made it fast enough to play 720P content -- slightly different |
| 01:58.51 | pinks | Can I work gimp as a cron job - to automate making animations? |
| 01:58.51 | karsten | abrotman: Philly, and a stretch of tollway between Morristown NJ and Buffalo NY. |
| 01:58.57 | Guerin | hackeron: sure, but it'll break all the calibration stuff |
| 01:58.58 | adrakoa | abrotman: ¬nothing |
| 01:59.04 | karsten | twobitsprite: Dude, it's damned useful. |
| 01:59.07 | abrotman | adrakoa: okay |
| 01:59.14 | Guerin | pinks: you have our permission |
| 01:59.17 | ReinH | Guerin: does that tell you anything? ^^ |
| 01:59.22 | abrotman | karsten: but you didn't really spend time in philly ? |
| 01:59.25 | twobitsprite | muaddib: ok... so.....? you wanted to know if linux supports this? |
| 01:59.30 | hackeron | Guerin: any way to fix it? |
| 01:59.44 | Guerin | ReinH: delete that security line and start again |
| 01:59.46 | karsten | abrotman: Was downtown for an hour or two one time. Not much more than that, no. |
| 01:59.50 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:00.02 | Guerin | hackeron: i doubt it. There might be, but as far as I'm aware all bets are off when you start overclocking. |
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| 02:00.09 | hackeron | Guerin: if only nforce released their stuff for linux I could even change FSB on the fly :( |
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| 02:00.24 | abrotman | if only nvidia didn't suck ... |
| 02:00.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:00.47 | Guerin | do you need an especially fast box to play 720p? |
| 02:00.48 | karsten | Anyone know of a good way to get MS Outhouse calendar events onto something like KDE's Kalendar / Kontact thing? |
| 02:00.55 | Guerin | i wouldn't think you'd need to, really |
| 02:01.03 | karsten | erm: korganizer |
| 02:01.16 | pinks | !tell pinks about nvidia |
| 02:01.38 | ReinH | Guerin: I think I'll just use debootstrap. Any particular reason not to? |
| 02:01.51 | Guerin | ReinH: more work. I dislike work. |
| 02:01.56 | ReinH | eh... |
| 02:02.08 | ReinH | Guerin: installing all the packages I need will be quite a bit of work in and of itself |
| 02:02.19 | Guerin | not if you can get apt working |
| 02:02.53 | ReinH | Guerin: well it works, it just doesn't show the packages I'd expect it to, and a lot of the packages it does find are missing dependencies because of it |
| 02:03.06 | Guerin | ReinH: aptitude -f install |
| 02:03.12 | Guerin | ReinH: no packages, just that line |
| 02:03.17 | Guerin | see what it wants to break |
| 02:03.37 | ReinH | grub |
| 02:03.47 | Guerin | ah well, let it go |
| 02:03.57 | Guerin | that should fix any broken apps |
| 02:03.59 | ReinH | grub libapt-pkg-perl libconfig-inifiles-perl localization-config |
| 02:04.14 | ReinH | still let it go? |
| 02:04.27 | Guerin | don't suppose you can post the output someplace? |
| 02:04.33 | protocol1 | does anyone know how far debian etch is from going gold? |
| 02:04.37 | ReinH | Guerin: hmmm... |
| 02:04.38 | Guerin | pinks: no. |
| 02:04.42 | Guerin | protocol1: no. |
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| 02:05.07 | karsten | protocol1: /topic |
| 02:05.07 | ReinH | Guerin: well, if I pipe stdout to a file and scp it from this box, I could I suppose |
| 02:05.18 | ReinH | assuming, of course, I can install ssh lol :( |
| 02:05.19 | protocol1 | Guerin, I heard they lost a few key programmers |
| 02:05.26 | karsten | ReinH: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 02:05.36 | karsten | protocol1: #debian-offtopic |
| 02:05.38 | pinks | Guerin: ta - any alternate image manipulation packages recommended? |
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| 02:05.42 | Guerin | protocol1: a few key programmers isn't a big deal when you have a thousand or so |
| 02:05.43 | squisher | Hi, I just transfered my testing installation to a P3 and tried to boot 2.6.18-3-686. But it hung looking for the /.../hda device, which never came up. 2.6.12 works fine though |
| 02:05.52 | abrotman | karsten: it doesn't belong there either |
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| 02:06.07 | ReinH | karsten: I'm trying to get a typical debian etch install up and running. That's it. I'm probably making this too hard on myself by focusing on the immediate problem. |
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| 02:06.19 | karsten | abrotman: ... and how do you determine what's not off-topic in an OT channel? ;-) |
| 02:06.22 | amphi | pinks: imagemagick is good for scripting/batch processing |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | karsten: it's pretty easy |
| 02:06.31 | ReinH | I should really just grab the latest daily netinst disc as has been recommended and stop bugging you guys |
| 02:06.34 | ReinH | so let me do that |
| 02:06.36 | Guerin | karsten: etch rc1 b0rks on package selection, but after installing a minimal system |
| 02:06.38 | karsten | ReinH: You can ssh stdout. If you've got ar, tar, and gzip you can install packages. |
| 02:06.39 | pinks | amphi: cool - ta |
| 02:06.46 | abrotman | karsten: and i can guarantee you that noone there wants to talk about it |
| 02:07.00 | karsten | abrotman: Better to not talk about it there than here. |
| 02:07.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | or just say "rubbish" |
| 02:07.15 | ReinH | Guerin: I'll just go grab the daily and stop bugging you all (assuming it works) |
| 02:07.21 | Guerin | a'ight |
| 02:07.23 | Guerin | have teh funs |
| 02:07.28 | karsten | pinks: ... and there's another tool that was featured recently on IIRC NewsForge. |
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| 02:07.44 | ReinH | Guerin, et al, thanks for the help |
| 02:07.46 | karsten | ReinH: ssh is installed on the new box? |
| 02:07.55 | pinks | karsten: what was that? |
| 02:08.10 | ReinH | karsten: yes sir/ma'am, but let's forget about it for the moment until I try with the daily netinst disc |
| 02:08.21 | karsten | ReinH: ... and yeah, fixing via an updated (and hopfull fixed installer) might be good. |
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| 02:08.35 | karsten | ReinH: That would be "Sir God". |
| 02:08.36 | ReinH | karsten: yeah, I'd rather not start out with a buggy install lol |
| 02:08.42 | ReinH | karsten: Ma'am it is. |
| 02:08.49 | karsten | !shoot ReinH |
| 02:08.54 | ReinH | Ha! |
| 02:10.02 | ReinH | Hmmm, someone should ammend http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ with this etch RC1 issue |
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| 02:10.23 | abrotman | ReinH: RC2 is due in a few days i believe |
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| 02:10.31 | ReinH | abrotman: argh, too late! ;) |
| 02:10.42 | abrotman | :going inout |
| 02:10.46 | abrotman | !inout |
| 02:10.46 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
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| 02:11.20 | ReinH | So a "Past Issue" would be one that is fixed, yes |
| 02:11.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:11.45 | ReinH | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today issue tracker |
| 02:11.48 | karsten | pinks: http://newsvac.newsforge.com/newsvac/06/11/15/047241.shtml |
| 02:12.00 | karsten | pinks: ... I think that was it, thought it was more recent, but time flies in my old age. |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | ReinH: should be yes |
| 02:12.17 | pinks | karsten: ta - reading.............. |
| 02:12.18 | ReinH | we shall see. |
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| 02:12.36 | karsten | pinks: Imagemagick is what I usually use m'self, FYI. |
| 02:13.11 | pinks | karsten: yea - it looks good - just need to figure out a cron job on the downloaded images .. |
| 02:13.45 | eheil | Hey all |
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| 02:13.48 | karsten | pinks: I'd write a script to do the heavy lifting and invoke the script from cron. |
| 02:13.51 | pinks | karsten: you're memory is good -- wait till you're 60 like me :-P |
| 02:14.45 | karsten | pinks: What sort of conversion do you want to do? Thumbnail a bunch of images? |
| 02:14.46 | abrotman | karsten: wait til next year huh ? :) |
| 02:14.55 | karsten | !shoot abrotman |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:15.04 | karsten | abrotman: You watch it there young man.... |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | i'm not that young |
| 02:15.15 | karsten | Whippersnappers.... |
| 02:15.15 | pinks | Oooooh -- that *was* mean |
| 02:15.21 | karsten | abrotman: ... and I'm not that old. |
| 02:15.36 | abrotman | you're older than me :) |
| 02:15.43 | holycow | in etch, what is the difference between select 'standard system' and nothing in d-i? i haven't seen this before |
| 02:15.55 | abrotman | don't use tasksel |
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| 02:16.01 | karsten | abrotman: I'm only 26. |
| 02:16.08 | abrotman | lies! |
| 02:16.17 | holycow | abrotman, so what, uncheck everything? what does that install? |
| 02:16.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:16.29 | pickcoder | holycow: did you try the aacraid driver? |
| 02:16.34 | pinks | karsten: yea yea |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | holycow: i havne't used tasksel in ... years |
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| 02:17.00 | abrotman | holycow: hopefully not much .. use aptitude to get what you really want |
| 02:17.02 | holycow | pickcoder, hey :) wb ... no i tried the etch installer, the 2.6 kernel in that supports the adaptec controller |
| 02:17.06 | asdf_ | an |
| 02:17.07 | holycow | abrotman, ah |
| 02:17.08 | asdf_ | is there a wya to allow sftp access without allowing ftp access? |
| 02:17.26 | holycow | pickcoder, i guess i lucked out with etch just being around the 'debian' corner so to speak |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | !info scponly sarge |
| 02:17.44 | dpkg | scponly: (Restricts the commands available to scp- and sftp-users), section utils, is optional. Version: 4.0-1sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | maybe ? |
| 02:18.11 | pickcoder | holycow: so it's working now? |
| 02:18.29 | holycow | pickcoder, yeah, totally |
| 02:18.45 | pickcoder | ok |
| 02:18.52 | holycow | usually i stay away from testing for servers but sometimes you just gotta, thanks for the help dude |
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| 02:18.55 | holycow | really really appreciate that |
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| 02:22.29 | pickcoder | asdf_: look at rssh |
| 02:22.30 | squisher | Ok, a little more precisely: right after the IDE driver gets loaded I get the error: "/bin/cat: /sys/block/hda/dev: file not found \n retrying in {1,2,4,8,16}s" |
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| 02:23.14 | kiba | how in the world do you start a debian server? |
| 02:23.17 | kiba | I mean |
| 02:23.20 | kiba | an apache server |
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| 02:23.24 | Guerin | kiba: i recommend pushing the power button |
| 02:23.27 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 02:23.30 | holycow | /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 02:23.33 | kiba | whoops |
| 02:23.33 | Guerin | /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 02:23.36 | karsten | kiba: /etc/init.d/<service> start |
| 02:23.37 | holycow | lol |
| 02:23.44 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 02:23.52 | kiba | I already got my answer |
| 02:23.57 | kiba | sorry to have ask you |
| 02:23.59 | holycow | touche |
| 02:24.05 | kiba | should have wait a little bit longer |
| 02:24.51 | karsten | And people say Linux is crap. Hah! |
| 02:25.14 | Guerin | kiba: that's what you get for using an OS made by a computer manufacturer! |
| 02:25.26 | Guerin | or even a PRINTER manufacturer! |
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| 02:25.31 | pickcoder | karsten: look on the bright side, it could be running SCO.. |
| 02:25.56 | holycow | mickeyd still runs sco appearently |
| 02:26.07 | paulfm | hey - I found a driver for kernel 2.6 for my dsoundcard, built it and installed it - how do I get this included in the distribution? |
| 02:26.09 | Guerin | holycow: of course |
| 02:26.26 | Guerin | holycow: otherwise how could they lay claim to the title of `evillest corporation ever'? |
| 02:26.28 | paulfm | its an on chip sound module |
| 02:26.31 | holycow | Guerin, heh |
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| 02:27.32 | holycow | paulfm, talk to a kernel dd or someone on the backports team if its already packaged upstream |
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| 02:28.00 | paulfm | holycow: excuse my ignorance - but what is a kernel dd? |
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| 02:28.14 | holycow | debian developer |
| 02:28.26 | paulfm | This driver is not available in any .deb package... I looked high and low |
| 02:28.31 | holycow | dd's mostly take the source and package it for debian, occasionally fixing bugs or adding patches |
| 02:28.32 | Yggdrasil | is ther a way to check your cpu speed from cmd line.. not syslog or dmesg ? |
| 02:28.33 | paulfm | holy: oope :-/ |
| 02:28.37 | paulfm | oops |
| 02:28.39 | holycow | paulfm, correct |
| 02:28.54 | paulfm | thanks.. will do |
| 02:28.56 | pickcoder | Yggdrasil: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:29.20 | Yggdrasil | ahh great thanks |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | !dd |
| 02:30.07 | dpkg | it has been said that dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 02:31.45 | eldowan | Are there facilities in debian for blocking skype and related traffic? |
| 02:32.24 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: using iptables you can, yes. |
| 02:33.08 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: really? I thought skype used random IP addresses, and dynamically changed ports and destination ip addresses on the fly. |
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| 02:34.09 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yeah, but it sends the same user agent; apparently you can block based on that. |
| 02:34.39 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: aah, much appreciated. |
| 02:35.38 | dondelelcaro | there may also be some iptables plugins which do packet inspection too; I use them to block bittorrent traffic on some networks |
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| 02:36.32 | eldowan | that must be what it was. I was told that the firewall had to do packet inspection to block skype. |
| 02:37.05 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yeah, it does, but ISTR iptables having the modules to do it |
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| 02:38.44 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: wonderful. |
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| 02:40.39 | threat2 | dondelelcaro: what plugin blocks bittorrent? |
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| 02:41.22 | zinx | threat2: some p2p detection thing |
| 02:41.25 | threat2 | hmmm, why would you want to block skype for? |
| 02:41.30 | threat2 | zinx: nice |
| 02:41.43 | dondelelcaro | threat2: I don't remember the name, actually; would have to check the firewalls that have it |
| 02:41.49 | threat2 | zinx: so it is an external plugin? it doesn't come with the iptables debian package? |
| 02:41.57 | Ronin | threat2: why wouldnt you want ot block it? |
| 02:42.00 | zinx | threat2: kernel patch + iptables patch |
| 02:42.02 | dondelelcaro | threat2: yes, it's an external plugin. |
| 02:42.03 | eldowan | threat2: my business has phone lines for a reason, and I don't want my users eating up bandwidth when they have a phone right next to them. |
| 02:42.07 | threat2 | zinx: ok |
| 02:42.15 | zinx | threat2: it can block other stuff too (gnutella, etc) |
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| 02:42.29 | Ronin | also no business on a business line |
| 02:42.35 | threat2 | eldowan: wouldn't eating up bandwidth be cheaper than making phone calls? I know it is where I am from. |
| 02:42.42 | threat2 | zinx: nice, I want it ;) |
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| 02:42.57 | Ronin | threat2: read up on skype :) |
| 02:43.05 | eldowan | threat2: not when my business relys on bandwidth to function. I would rather have the phonebill higher and be able to function |
| 02:43.08 | zinx | threat2: http://www.ipp2p.org/ |
| 02:43.16 | threat2 | zinx: thank you |
| 02:44.09 | threat2 | eldowan: cancel your phone lines, purchase another Internet link and setup Asterisks :P |
| 02:44.25 | threat2 | eldowan: skype is SIP compliant isn't it? |
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| 02:44.48 | zinx | threat2: No.. it's not anywhere even close to close to being compliant with anything. |
| 02:44.51 | eldowan | threat2: I'm a contractor for a global business who has an established infrastructure for their internal phone systems. |
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| 02:45.06 | section31 | is there an easy way of installing a php extension |
| 02:45.12 | abrotman | such as ? |
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| 02:45.15 | eldowan | section31: like? |
| 02:45.30 | section31 | instead of recompiling it |
| 02:45.36 | threat2 | zinx: oh, I thought it was SIP compliant, oh well |
| 02:45.36 | section31 | like using apt-get instead |
| 02:45.37 | section31 | or somethign |
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| 02:45.43 | ice63 | am i the only one geting this gpg error because /msg dpkg is not geting it :( |
| 02:45.44 | abrotman | section31: which extension ? |
| 02:45.47 | eldowan | section31: I thought php extensions were drop in and go. |
| 02:45.52 | section31 | abrotman, mysqli |
| 02:45.54 | threat2 | eldowan: fair enough, damn legacy phone networks |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | section31: apt-cache search mysql php |
| 02:46.06 | abrotman | see what comes up |
| 02:46.28 | eldowan | threat2: hey, they have the phones in many many countries, and all over the US. all tied together. it is pretty sweet. |
| 02:46.40 | section31 | abrotman, great thanks |
| 02:46.49 | threat2 | eldowan: nice |
| 02:46.52 | holycow | does anyone know what replaces xlibs-dev in etch? is that deprecated because of xorg updates? |
| 02:46.57 | threat2 | eldowan: sounds complicated and expensive :) |
| 02:47.25 | eldowan | threat2: don't know. dont adminster is. barring the few times it has gone down in the past 2.5 years, I really can't complain. |
| 02:47.36 | ice63 | hmm |
| 02:47.37 | threat2 | ok |
| 02:47.38 | pickcoder | eldowan: they need to come instruct our phone provider, because someone keeps screwing up the local switches here |
| 02:48.10 | eldowan | pickcoder: major airline. |
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| 02:49.21 | siriusfox | Is it possible to chown to root from an unprivlaged user? |
| 02:49.32 | zinx | siriusfox: No. |
| 02:49.39 | zinx | that would be a horrible security hole |
| 02:49.45 | pickcoder | siriusfox: as root you can |
| 02:49.54 | siriusfox | Danke |
| 02:49.58 | eldowan | siriusfox: sudo :D |
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| 02:50.00 | zinx | pickcoder: not if root is unpriviledged |
| 02:50.10 | pickcoder | zinx: why even have root then |
| 02:50.18 | eldowan | zinx: how can root be unpriviledged? |
| 02:50.21 | zinx | pickcoder: for when it is? :D |
| 02:50.25 | zinx | eldowan: capabilities |
| 02:50.33 | pickcoder | huh? |
| 02:50.43 | zinx | you can take away root's ability to do stuff. |
| 02:50.52 | pickcoder | if I login as root I want root privs |
| 02:50.55 | pickcoder | I'm not talking about sudo |
| 02:51.11 | eldowan | zinx: how would you go about doing something like that? |
| 02:51.12 | zinx | what if a h4x0r logs in as root? do you want them to have root privs? |
| 02:51.28 | pickcoder | zinx: if they get root access, I'm screwed anyway |
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| 02:52.29 | zinx | pickcoder: not entirely, if your system's locked down really really hard ;) |
| 02:52.54 | pickcoder | zinx: someone has to have root privs |
| 02:53.13 | zinx | pickcoder: no, certain users need certain privs |
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| 02:53.37 | zinx | pickcoder: almost nothing needs everything - and if something happens where you do, you can reboot with a proper root |
| 02:54.00 | karsten | eldowan: It's selinux stuff IIRC. |
| 02:54.12 | eldowan | karsten: skype blocking? |
| 02:54.18 | karsten | pickcoder: No, it couldn't! |
| 02:54.22 | zinx | eldowan: nah, root stuff |
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| 02:54.34 | pickcoder | karsten: ? |
| 02:54.36 | karsten | eldowan: root privs. |
| 02:54.39 | Actium | how easy is it to setup software jbod? |
| 02:54.41 | eldowan | karsten: aah |
| 02:54.54 | karsten | pickcoder: < pickcoder> karsten: look on the bright side, it could be running SCO.. |
| 02:55.02 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:55.19 | holycow | okay, if one installs build-essential on a server to do some compiling (don't have a build environment elsewhere right now), is aptitude the 'right way' to remove that metapackage an pull all the build stuff out as well so that no compiler is available on the server? |
| 02:55.33 | factotum | sure, the one time i feel like playing with inkscape and it wont open |
| 02:56.53 | eldowan | holycow: aptitude will only remove everything else if aptitude was used to install it IRIC |
| 02:57.26 | holycow | eldowan, i thought aptitude used the apt database not its own? |
| 02:57.32 | holycow | or dpkg database i mean |
| 02:57.46 | Kevin` | why uninstall it? I compiler is always useful IMO |
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| 02:59.16 | phycho | hey guys, how do i fix a problem of which says 'the following signatures could'nt be verified because the pubkey is not available' |
| 02:59.17 | holycow | Kevin`, i'm not a security expert but the less on a server the better i guess |
| 02:59.19 | pickcoder | holycow: you can just remove the compiler and make tools, if you don't mind storing the headers and dev libs |
| 02:59.22 | abrotman | phycho: /topic |
| 02:59.29 | phycho | this is a problem with apt-get and security.debian.org on the etch release |
| 02:59.30 | troubled | evenin' |
| 02:59.32 | phycho | ah |
| 02:59.34 | holycow | pickcoder, ah okay. *nod* makes sense |
| 02:59.35 | pickcoder | I have 2 different gcc versions on my dev box here |
| 02:59.35 | eldowan | holycow: sorry, I misunderstood your question |
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| 02:59.48 | holycow | eldowan, no biggie |
| 02:59.53 | pickcoder | both installed using apt-get <gcc version> |
| 03:00.08 | holycow | heh |
| 03:00.25 | phycho | ive followed it, same problem guys |
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| 03:00.33 | troubled | heya brot, still hard at it i see |
| 03:00.35 | pickcoder | the build stuff put 4.0 on my box but modules-assistant required 3.1 |
| 03:00.38 | Actium | Is there a guide somewhere for setting up software raid(jbod)? |
| 03:00.39 | phycho | aka apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 03:00.43 | phycho | same problem |
| 03:00.46 | Actium | I don't evne know where to start |
| 03:00.46 | Actium | :| |
| 03:00.47 | pickcoder | which has since been fixed, if I'm not mistaken |
| 03:00.47 | troubled | s/brot/abrotman/ |
| 03:00.56 | abrotman | WHAT! |
| 03:01.05 | abrotman | troubled: not really .. |
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| 03:01.18 | troubled | abrotman: so soft at it then? |
| 03:01.21 | ice63 | hmm |
| 03:01.31 | eldowan | Actium: are you installing a new system? or adding jbod to an existing? |
| 03:01.32 | phycho | how do i get the stupid thing to ignore they keys? |
| 03:01.35 | phycho | i coudlnt care less about them |
| 03:01.36 | pickcoder | abrotman just yells at people randomly |
| 03:01.52 | Actium | eldowan: adding to existing |
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| 03:01.57 | ice63 | phycho: good luck |
| 03:01.58 | phycho | problem is i cant install sshd in its current state *sigh* |
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| 03:02.08 | troubled | pickcoder: his entrophy must be runnin low |
| 03:02.12 | phycho | rediculous situation |
| 03:02.19 | eldowan | Actium: I'm not sure this will help, but check it out http://deb.riseup.net/storage/software-raid/ |
| 03:02.20 | abrotman | pickcoder: i have my reasons :) |
| 03:02.20 | troubled | abrotman: band on your keyboard a bit, fix ya right up :) |
| 03:02.38 | pickcoder | abrotman: I know.. unlike some others here |
| 03:02.39 | troubled | bang* |
| 03:02.41 | pickcoder | <g. |
| 03:03.02 | ice63 | phycho: i have the same gpg error |
| 03:03.03 | holycow | pickcoder, heh |
| 03:03.14 | holycow | actually this channel is MUCH friendlier than it used to be a couple of years ago |
| 03:03.23 | eldowan | holycow: really, hows that? |
| 03:03.25 | phycho | ice63 - how did you fix it? |
| 03:03.26 | Dewi | holycow: GET OUT |
| 03:03.31 | Dewi | holycow: oops... old habits |
| 03:03.33 | holycow | lol |
| 03:03.36 | troubled | holycow: loser! |
| 03:03.39 | mfrisch | we're all feeling much better NOW |
| 03:03.40 | holycow | eldowan, well for one mwilson is gone |
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| 03:03.50 | holycow | theres a bunch of other arses that are no longer around |
| 03:03.55 | holycow | the rest of you are just grumpy :) |
| 03:04.02 | troubled | holycow: ya, but now im back. kinda negates that |
| 03:04.07 | holycow | hehehe |
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| 03:04.14 | Dewi | one day I'll go through my ancient logs back to the days when I was routinely kicked out of here. |
| 03:04.17 | Dewi | There was a time... |
| 03:04.23 | eldowan | wow mwilson was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 478d 5h 57m 29s ago |
| 03:04.32 | holycow | there must be an mwilson archive out there |
| 03:04.33 | troubled | wow |
| 03:04.41 | holycow | that whacko was on his own level |
| 03:04.50 | pickcoder | phycho: what is apt complaining about |
| 03:04.52 | ice63 | phycho: well i was hoping that some one would tel me RIGHT! |
| 03:04.56 | troubled | i will miss our old conversations :) |
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| 03:05.03 | ReinH | Hey, the daily build of the netinst cd isn't hanging w00t |
| 03:05.04 | mfrisch | I think the fbi logs our chat for kicks |
| 03:05.05 | eldowan | troubled: why is that? |
| 03:05.09 | ReinH | Guerin: ty again |
| 03:05.12 | troubled | !seen simonrvn |
| 03:05.12 | dpkg | simonrvn <i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 18m 21s ago, saying: 'on m68k? :P'. |
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| 03:05.21 | g333k_laptop | hi, I never set up something to shutdown my laptop when it is inactive but always that I go out when I come back I found it turn off, any clue? |
| 03:05.25 | Dewi | I just fear that if I pull out those old logs I'll find the people that I used to have runins with are people still here that I get along with... |
| 03:05.28 | troubled | eldowan: only mwilson and I know that answer |
| 03:05.40 | eldowan | troubled: unless you spill the beans for the channel... :D |
| 03:05.53 | phycho | ice63 - best of luck, no luck here thats for sure. |
| 03:05.54 | eldowan | or troubled *IS* mwilson!!! |
| 03:06.03 | phycho | if i manage to get ill help |
| 03:06.04 | troubled | ... |
| 03:06.18 | mfrisch | or mwilson is troubled |
| 03:06.21 | phycho | since nobody else appears to be.. |
| 03:06.27 | ice63 | phycho: i know and that's to bad |
| 03:06.45 | abrotman | ice63: /topic |
| 03:07.02 | phycho | abrotman - i dont know about him, but ive tried it and it doesnt work |
| 03:07.04 | troubled | only us old timers know who's "in" |
| 03:07.13 | abrotman | phycho: paste the actual error somewhere |
| 03:07.14 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:07.15 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:07.19 | pickcoder | phycho: which mirror are you using |
| 03:07.20 | phycho | says keyring is installed |
| 03:07.23 | phycho | then apt gives me the same error |
| 03:07.38 | troubled | so does fai have its own channel? |
| 03:07.39 | phycho | security.debian.org etch/updates |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | error please! |
| 03:07.51 | parsonsd | ok. here's my curiosity of the day -- what format is the passwd file? |
| 03:07.57 | phycho | abrotman - that would be nice if i had ssh access to it |
| 03:08.08 | phycho | im on console.. so no joy unless i type the whole thing out im afraid |
| 03:08.09 | abrotman | phycho: nothing outgoing ? |
| 03:08.23 | phycho | define nothing outgoing.. its not got sshd installed |
| 03:08.36 | eldowan | parsonsd: elaborate please. what are you looking for? |
| 03:08.36 | g333k_laptop | hi, I never set up something to shutdown my laptop when it is inactive but always that I go out when I come back I found it turn off, any clue? |
| 03:08.37 | parsonsd | john tells me what I set it to scan (as in share/doc/john), it scans as freebsd. this makes no sense... |
| 03:08.40 | pickcoder | phycho: so download the .deb and install it |
| 03:08.47 | phycho | pickcoder - ive been looking for it |
| 03:08.52 | ice63 | abrotman: what is /topic going to tell me ..how to fix my gpg error? |
| 03:08.53 | parsonsd | eldowan> parsonsd: elaborate please. what are you looking for? |
| 03:09.00 | phycho | ice63 - in theory, yes. |
| 03:09.06 | phycho | apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 03:09.07 | phycho | try that |
| 03:09.15 | phycho | it didnt work for me, perhaps you will have better luck |
| 03:09.19 | eldowan | g333k_laptop: could be overheating, could be the battery running down. |
| 03:09.20 | parsonsd | eldowan : sorry.... trying out john the ripper on my desktop. |
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| 03:09.47 | eldowan | parsonsd: What specific information are you asking? the file format, as in the file format of fstab? |
| 03:09.48 | abrotman | phycho: what's the key that says is lacking ? |
| 03:09.56 | ice63 | phycho: me neither |
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| 03:10.06 | phycho | it doesnt actually say |
| 03:10.07 | phycho | it just says |
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| 03:10.26 | ice63 | it's installed |
| 03:10.43 | phycho | "GPG error : http://security.debian.org etch/updates release: the following siguatures could not be verified because the pub key is not available: no pubkey A70DAF53 etc |
| 03:10.44 | ice63 | lol |
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| 03:11.03 | eldowan | phycho: A70DAF53 is part of the key |
| 03:11.04 | Guerin | phycho: topic |
| 03:11.05 | parsonsd | eldowan : so i'm just blindly following the documented examples and the thing telling me that unshadowing the files sems to render it as freebsd md5 hash. (I *think* that is the meaning of the output) |
| 03:11.11 | abrotman | !apt-key A70DAF53 |
| 03:11.11 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys A70DAF53 ; gpg --export A70DAF53 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:11.12 | phycho | eldowan - indeed. |
| 03:11.25 | eldowan | phycho: ^^ |
| 03:11.40 | eldowan | parsonsd: so are you trying to get to the password hash? |
| 03:11.58 | parsonsd | eldowan : er, yeh. i think. |
| 03:12.02 | phycho | aah# |
| 03:12.14 | ice63 | abrotman: ty |
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| 03:12.28 | eldowan | parsonsd: the hashed passwords should be in /etc/shadow or something similar |
| 03:12.29 | parsonsd | eldowan : as i understand it, the top lines of output from john when it starts is a description of the passwd hash. |
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| 03:13.15 | parsonsd | eldowan : "Loaded 3 passwords with 3 different salts (FreeBSD MD5 [32/32])" is what it gives me |
| 03:13.16 | g333k_laptop | eldowan, it is plugged in... but its curious because when I'm working with it doesnt turn off |
| 03:13.46 | parsonsd | eldowan : i think i am doing some thing wrong, but i didn't expect it to describe things as freebsd. |
| 03:14.06 | eldowan | g333k_laptop: hmm. could it be that when you shut the lid, the power button is being depressed? leave the laptop open instead of closing it. |
| 03:14.20 | parsonsd | i mean, loading only 3 passwds? i told it to unshadow all of passwd and shadow |
| 03:14.24 | g333k_laptop | eldowan, same thing |
| 03:14.25 | eldowan | parsonsd: where did you get jon the ripper from? I thought it wasn't in debian then. |
| 03:14.26 | phycho | aaargh |
| 03:14.31 | phycho | now i cant see ssh in apt-get |
| 03:14.35 | eldowan | g333k_laptop: hmm. I'm out of idead. |
| 03:14.43 | eldowan | s/idead/ideas/ |
| 03:14.45 | phycho | apt-cache search ssh doesnt come up with openssh-server |
| 03:14.47 | phycho | :/ |
| 03:14.53 | abrotman | what sources do you have ? |
| 03:15.07 | eldowan | he only listed the security eariler IIRC |
| 03:15.08 | phycho | i have security.debian.org etech/updates main |
| 03:15.12 | phycho | and the src one |
| 03:15.17 | eldowan | phycho: you need a regular repo |
| 03:15.20 | phycho | ah k |
| 03:15.28 | eldowan | !mirrors |
| 03:15.29 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:15.35 | phycho | ty |
| 03:15.41 | parsonsd | eldowan : na, its available from apt. maintiainer (as spoken by apt-cache) is gpastore@debian |
| 03:15.51 | eldowan | parsonsd: etch or sarge? |
| 03:16.03 | pickcoder | I think my backup box is slowly falling apart |
| 03:16.08 | parsonsd | eldowan : etch. |
| 03:16.11 | pickcoder | it keeps choking for unknown reasons |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | pickcoder: good place for a backup |
| 03:16.28 | eldowan | parsonsd: really? I can't find it in my etch repos. |
| 03:16.33 | pickcoder | yeah. I know. it's the best machine I have for rsync |
| 03:16.48 | parsonsd | eldowan : the install under woody also gave me similarly useless answers |
| 03:17.12 | eldowan | parsonsd: what is the package called? I can't find it and I was going to try to give you a hand |
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| 03:18.43 | phycho | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main non-free contrib is fine for etch, right? |
| 03:18.45 | huhlig | question |
| 03:18.46 | huhlig | does apache support >2GB files |
| 03:18.48 | huhlig | or is there a special package I need |
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| 03:19.16 | eldowan | phycho: should be if you are in the US |
| 03:19.20 | phycho | k |
| 03:19.39 | parsonsd | eldowan : best i can tell you is that it is "john" and is under system administration, priority: optional. |
| 03:19.53 | parsonsd | eldowan : version 1.6-40 |
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| 03:20.56 | eldowan | parsonsd: it is in sid |
| 03:21.23 | parsonsd | eldowan : weird. it used to be in woody |
| 03:21.29 | parsonsd | eldowan: how can you tell? |
| 03:21.36 | eldowan | parsonsd: /msg dpkg info john |
| 03:22.09 | eldowan | parsonsd: how did you run john? exact switches and values, and I'll try on my box |
| 03:23.04 | troubled | huhlig: #apache |
| 03:23.59 | parsonsd | eldowan : ok, that's weird to have something from sid. tho I suppose I deserve it : in order to get any information back out of the overdue bad patch into etch from kpilot, i moved to sid to *supposedly* pick up that single update. *sigh* |
| 03:24.01 | huhlig | troubled Umm no, Apache supports it. Debian says it does but it fails |
| 03:24.10 | huhlig | its not compiled in |
| 03:24.19 | huhlig | is there an LFS package I am missing |
| 03:24.31 | eldowan | parsonsd: alright. do you have the command handy? |
| 03:24.37 | troubled | huhlig: no need to be snappy @ me :( check the bug reports? might already be addressed |
| 03:24.47 | parsonsd | eldowan : as for how I ran it, I haven't modified anything from the way I picked it up. I used the commandline example from /usr/share/doc/john/EXAMPLE.gz |
| 03:24.57 | huhlig | I didnt see anything |
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| 03:25.42 | kenock | can i rsync between two clients in a wlan? |
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| 03:25.52 | eldowan | parsonsd: there are quite a few examples, which specifically? |
| 03:26.13 | parsonsd | sorry : /usr/share/doc/john/EXAMPLES.gz |
| 03:26.16 | troubled | huhlig: curious, it just ends download at 2g? or doesnt even start? |
| 03:26.25 | eldowan | parsonsd: there are quite a few examples, which specifically? |
| 03:26.31 | huhlig | it ends early |
| 03:26.33 | huhlig | every time |
| 03:26.37 | huhlig | its on a mythtuvo |
| 03:26.41 | parsonsd | eldowan : just the first one under the set of stuff to do for commandline. |
| 03:26.43 | troubled | huhlig: damn, thats gotta be a pain to test |
| 03:26.49 | nite613_ | Hi all. I know I've had a conversation about this here before and we didn't come to any firm conclusions. A recent update has (again!) broken something in screen/ncurses so that terminal resizes are very painful. It has something to do with SIGWNCH I think, and I was looking for any hints |
| 03:26.50 | pickcoder | kenock: what happens if a file on both clients is different than it was before? |
| 03:27.00 | abrotman | huhlig: where are you storing it? |
| 03:27.04 | eldowan | parsonsd: so at john passwd.1? john -show passwd.1? |
| 03:27.11 | huhlig | abrotman, on a HDD? |
| 03:27.11 | parsonsd | eldowan, at hte top of file. |
| 03:27.15 | parsonsd | eldowan, yeh. |
| 03:27.24 | huhlig | you mean FS? |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | huhlig: where the FS is ? |
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| 03:27.29 | huhlig | Raid0 ext |
| 03:27.33 | troubled | huhlig: oh, localhost test? nm then |
| 03:27.34 | kenock | pickcoder: i am not into that level yet. i want to know if it can be done, if so, what is the set-up. |
| 03:27.50 | pickcoder | kenock: install rsync and review the manpage |
| 03:27.55 | pickcoder | it's quite simple to use |
| 03:28.06 | parsonsd | eldowan, i'd guess it is sent to stderr, but in any case, it says that hash line. |
| 03:28.08 | pickcoder | but you need to determine a sync methodology |
| 03:28.16 | kenock | pickcoder: done that, it has no mention of wlan. |
| 03:28.26 | pickcoder | kenock: an IP is an IP |
| 03:28.41 | parsonsd | eldowan, it did run all day and I saw nothing in the output file (~/john.pot) |
| 03:28.44 | pickcoder | I use rsync over ssh |
| 03:28.53 | nite613_ | When connected through putty, apps like irssi, centericq, and pine no longer resize. Running inside screen makes the problem much worse causing all sorts of weird terminal screwups |
| 03:29.00 | troubled | huhlig: too bad large file support isnt compiled in i guess *shrug* |
| 03:29.17 | eldowan | parsonsd: I've let john run for a long time, and never got it to crack my passwds |
| 03:29.20 | amphi | nite613_: installing ncurses-term might help |
| 03:29.29 | parsonsd | eldowan, it seems to have quit in the middle of brute force |
| 03:29.30 | troubled | huhlig: then again, cant say ive ever tested large file off a apache :/ |
| 03:29.41 | abrotman | nite613_: ctrl-l |
| 03:29.45 | abrotman | maybe |
| 03:29.57 | kenock | pickcoder: so, i need ssh. i have installed openssh. what about the config files, are there any i have to set-up? |
| 03:29.58 | parsonsd | eldowan, it's almost like i didn't install the dictionary file or something. |
| 03:30.02 | eldowan | parsonsd: I'm starting it now, and this is the line I get: Loaded 2 passwords with 2 different salts (FreeBSD MD5 [32/32]) |
| 03:30.02 | nite613_ | amphi: Already installed |
| 03:30.09 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: which version of apache are you using? |
| 03:30.14 | parsonsd | eldowan, yep - that's about like mine. |
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| 03:30.33 | nite613_ | abrotman: Doesn't help in either case (outside screen the term still doesn't resize, in screen it just gets newly F'd up |
| 03:30.37 | amphi | nite613_: what's putty setting TERM to? |
| 03:30.41 | parsonsd | eldowan, it said 3 for me, but i figued it was ignoring anything but roo and my two usernames |
| 03:30.42 | nite613_ | does return a bit of temporary sanity though |
| 03:30.59 | eldowan | parsonsd: I'm going to let it run all night. Check with me tomorrow and hopefully I'll have a little bit-o-info for you. |
| 03:31.10 | eldowan | parsonsd: yeah, i only have root and one user. |
| 03:31.43 | eldowan | parsonsd: if you look at the passwd.1 file, it only recognizes the hashes that start with $1 and are 32 characters long, IIRC |
| 03:32.02 | kenock | ssh is for remote login. if rsync uses ssh, does it mean one has to login to the dest system before rsync can be done? |
| 03:32.05 | parsonsd | eldowan: sure. i let mine run all day and when i finally gave it a ctrl-c, it shutdown and gave me where it stopped. |
| 03:32.25 | parsonsd | eldowan: what piqued my interest tho, was the bit about: "(FreeBSD MD5 [32/32])" |
| 03:32.50 | dondelelcaro | kenock: yes. rsync uses ssh to log into the remote machine and exec rsync there. |
| 03:32.50 | parsonsd | eldowan: is it really hashing the guesses as freebsd? Is that right for a debian install? |
| 03:33.00 | eldowan | I know md5 is a 32 character hash of a file, the 32/32 could be the length of suspect hashes. |
| 03:33.01 | dondelelcaro | kenock: (well, unless you're using the rsyncd setup, of course) |
| 03:33.07 | section31 | i accidentally dropped all my mysql users...and i don't have a backup...so i just uninstalled and reinstalled mysql but now it doesn't want to start. it says, connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 03:33.24 | eldowan | parsonsd: could be that john was written for bsd, and ported to debian.? |
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| 03:33.40 | dondelelcaro | !forgot mysql root password |
| 03:33.40 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 03:33.43 | dondelelcaro | section31: see above. |
| 03:33.46 | eldowan | parsonsd: create a new user, and make a simple password, like password and then run john again. |
| 03:33.59 | parsonsd | eldowan : i was under the impression that linux defaulted to RSA hash. am i wrong? |
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| 03:34.07 | parsonsd | eldowan : good idea. |
| 03:34.20 | eldowan | parsonsd: hmmm. don't know about that one. |
| 03:34.45 | parsonsd | eldowan (course, the question i should ask is how the hell did i manage to drop a sid package that I didn't thnk to install!) |
| 03:34.50 | nite613_ | amphi: TERM is set to xterm, also happens with TERM=linux, which I use occasionally because it plays nicer with one of my odd keyboards |
| 03:34.53 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: it was the default ages ago, but not in a long time. |
| 03:34.59 | eldowan | parsonsd: For example if it starts with "$1$" it means the MD5-based algorithm was used. |
| 03:35.52 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro : is the hash now md5? this information filtered into my head for reasons that would be clear if i had lots of sleep.... maybe i'm too foggy to remember why i think it is rsa hash now. |
| 03:35.55 | dondelelcaro | (and it was DES, not RSA) |
| 03:36.02 | pickcoder | kenock: example: rsync -avz -e "ssh -p <custom port>" /local/path/ user@host:/remote/path/ |
| 03:36.08 | dondelelcaro | parsonsd: yes; man crypt; for an explanation |
| 03:36.18 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro : thanks |
| 03:36.52 | dondelelcaro | well, it's the default now in debian, anyway. You can change it by modifying pam, of course. |
| 03:37.02 | kenock | dondelelcaro: i am confused. i am trying to set-up two clients in a wlan to use rsync to transfer files between them. to do this, would knowing the IP of the two clients be sufficient? |
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| 03:37.15 | pickcoder | kenock: you'll need to store your public key on the other machine to automate transfers. There's plenty of "no password" how-tos on the web. |
| 03:37.32 | dondelelcaro | kenock: if you can ssh to the opposite machines, sure. |
| 03:37.52 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: If md5 gets easy to crack with a rainbow table, I wonder how long it would take for aes or equiv crypto to be the default. |
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| 03:38.34 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: I'm not sure if MD5 is easy to crack yet; the last I heard it was just easier than thought to get hash collisions with known plaintext, which isn't a problem for passwords. |
| 03:38.43 | section31 | dondelelcaro, i tried that and now i'm getting this /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)' |
| 03:39.02 | dondelelcaro | section31: you now need to create the debian-sys-maint user and store the password as well. |
| 03:39.08 | abrotman | probably ought to rerun the postinst ? |
| 03:39.08 | section31 | dondelelcaro, ok standby |
| 03:39.48 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: yeah, I read that too. but I came across a few rainbow table sites that go through and find the md5 hashes for each character, and then go to 2 chars and then 3 etc... placed in a sql DB with a free web based frontend to see if your md5 hash is known. |
| 03:39.48 | dondelelcaro | (or run the postinst as abrotman suggests; I don't remember exactly when it's done, but reading it should tell you) |
| 03:40.09 | kenock | dondelelcaro: so, i have first to ensure that the two clients can communicate vis ssh. gathering fr what pickcoder said, ssh can be done with or without password. to do it without password, i need to set-up public keys. so far so good? |
| 03:40.31 | dondelelcaro | kenock: right |
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| 03:42.13 | pickcoder | kenock: if you want to be even safer, you can setup a chroot environment for the ssh you use for rsync, but you can do that once you get everything working |
| 03:42.21 | pickcoder | depends on how exposed your machines are |
| 03:42.42 | section31 | dondelelcaro, i want to try and delete mysql and reinstall instead because i'm not making any progress...if i do an apt-get remove...will that everything so i can do a fresh install? |
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| 03:42.53 | parsonsd | dondelelcaro, eldowan : thank you both. i would guess that the freebsd marker is a generic way of pointing out the use of the md5 hash. |
| 03:43.07 | dondelelcaro | section31: not unless you purge it and also delete the database |
| 03:43.13 | Guerin | better to just set up a separate rsync user with restricted access |
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| 03:43.19 | Guerin | chrooted ssh is stupid |
| 03:43.27 | section31 | dondelelcaro, because as i stated earlier...i accidentally dropped all the users |
| 03:43.29 | eldowan | parsonsd: probably. look at your passwd.1 file, does the passwords start with $1$? |
| 03:43.33 | parsonsd | eldowan : i'll try to check in with you about whether it does what we think it should |
| 03:43.35 | section31 | and when i did a reinstall...i'm not sure if it readded them |
| 03:43.46 | dondelelcaro | section31: the users are stored in the database, so it can't. |
| 03:43.49 | parsonsd | eldowan : yeh -- interesting |
| 03:43.52 | kenock | dondelelcaro, pickcoder: at the moment, i want to be able to do it, security will come later. now, i know the IP and the passwords of the two clients. when i look at the rsync command, there is no requirement for password of the dest machine. |
| 03:44.08 | section31 | dondelelcaro, you mean it can't readd them |
| 03:44.09 | dondelelcaro | section31: unless you get rid of the database as well, in which case it will recreate the database as well. |
| 03:44.20 | section31 | dondelelcaro, ok how do i do that |
| 03:44.25 | section31 | do i have to manually delete the files |
| 03:44.35 | dondelelcaro | section31: purge the -server package, and remove the database. It'll be in /var/lib/mysql or similar. |
| 03:44.38 | parsonsd | kenock : rsync doesn't use it, i think. my understanding is that the ssh part of the tunnel gives you the security bit |
| 03:44.58 | dondelelcaro | kenock: you've got to know the password of the machine that you're logging into. |
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| 03:45.07 | dondelelcaro | (or have an ssh key there or similar) |
| 03:45.17 | eldowan | parsonsd: just created a new user, and a password of test or password. found it in less than a second. |
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| 03:45.40 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: yes... dictionary based hash attacks are well known. |
| 03:45.43 | parsonsd | eldowan : the hashing is just something that i wouldn't have thought of to look into |
| 03:45.53 | Guerin | eldowan: what was your ip again? |
| 03:45.56 | eldowan | parsonsd: aah, ok. |
| 03:45.58 | dondelelcaro | anyone who has a password that exists in any dictionary is asking for problems |
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| 03:46.15 | eldowan | Guerin: I'm not on the outside. :D and besides like you need me to give that out. :D |
| 03:46.16 | kenock | dondelelcaro: i haven't try this, so if i use the rsync command with the two IPs, it will prompt me for the password of the dest machine? |
| 03:46.21 | dondelelcaro | kenock: yes. |
| 03:46.29 | Guerin | eldowan: spoilsport |
| 03:46.51 | Guerin | let's all be like rms and have no passwords!@ |
| 03:46.55 | eldowan | Guerin: fine, be that way. I'm at 121.73.1.240 |
| 03:47.03 | kenock | dondelelcaro: thks. going away to work on it. bye. |
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| 03:47.48 | eldowan | Guerin: hope that wasn't too close to home... :D |
| 03:47.55 | Guerin | eldowan: OMG UR MAH G8WAY! |
| 03:48.05 | Guerin | get off mah interwebs! |
| 03:48.09 | eldowan | Guerin: I am everywhere |
| 03:48.24 | eldowan | or should I say 'we are everywhere' |
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| 03:49.02 | eldowan | Guerin: as always, its been a blast. I'm out. |
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| 03:54.08 | Actium | I have an IDE controller here, is there a list of kernel modules and supported hardware? Do I need a different module if it's generic? |
| 03:55.29 | Guerin | Actium: what brand? |
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| 03:56.00 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 03:56.00 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 03:57.22 | Paddy_EIRE | how do I check to see if direct rendering is enabled? |
| 03:57.27 | abrotman | glxinfo |
| 03:57.30 | Paddy_EIRE | thx |
| 03:58.03 | diskus | that hcl page shows nothing for my conexant pci adsl :P |
| 03:58.08 | Paddy_EIRE | abrotman: command not found |
| 03:58.31 | abrotman | mesa-utils package needs to be installed |
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| 03:58.37 | Paddy_EIRE | k |
| 03:58.38 | dr_marlowe | http://qdb.us/77469 |
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| 03:59.04 | Paddy_EIRE | abrotman: apt-get install mesa-utils ? |
| 03:59.14 | abrotman | sure |
| 04:00.57 | Paddy_EIRE | abrotman: silly question I think Im using etch although I cant be sure how do I check? and if I am is aiglx already there like in ubuntu |
| 04:01.20 | abrotman | !version |
| 04:01.20 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 04:01.31 | section31 | dondelelcaro, sorry to bug you again but do i need anything in the /etc/mysql because when i reinstall it keeps looking for the my.cnf there |
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| 04:02.12 | madd_matt | what is the easiest way to clean all of gnome from my system? |
| 04:02.14 | dondelelcaro | section31: did you --purge the package? |
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| 04:02.19 | section31 | dondelelcaro, yup |
| 04:02.27 | dondelelcaro | !remove gnome |
| 04:02.27 | dpkg | apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome"), or after removing those, run 'aptitude' and look at section 'gnome' to remove the rest. |
| 04:02.49 | section31 | dondelelcaro, now it says this WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz |
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| 04:03.17 | section31 | dondelelcaro, i'm installing using apt-get and these 2 packages apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client |
| 04:03.20 | section31 | do i need any others? |
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| 04:04.18 | dondelelcaro | section31: did you also purge mysql-common? |
| 04:04.26 | section31 | dondelelcaro, nope |
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| 04:05.03 | dondelelcaro | section31: you'll have to purge that, and if you're running etch or sid, the actual mysql-server package that you're using, be it mysql-server-5.1 or 5.0 or whatever. |
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| 04:07.21 | section31 | thats probably it |
| 04:07.24 | section31 | doing it now |
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| 04:11.31 | section31 | that was it |
| 04:11.49 | section31 | dondelelcaro, thanks for all the help |
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| 04:12.26 | black_13 | how do you make a debian package from set of files? |
| 04:12.38 | abrotman | !mg |
| 04:12.38 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or the shorthand for Madagascar, or the maintainers guide can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 04:13.03 | black_13 | !dpkg |
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| 04:13.43 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: mg is <reply> A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid, or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 04:13.43 | dpkg | ...but mg is already something else... |
| 04:13.48 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, mg is <reply> A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid, or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 04:13.48 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
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| 04:20.14 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: should that still say "sarge/sid" ? |
| 04:20.51 | dexomsrc | !spc |
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| 04:22.02 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, right. |
| 04:23.25 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: mg =~ s#maint-guid.en.html in sarge/sid, or## |
| 04:23.25 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: that doesn't contain 'maint-guid.en.html in sarge/sid, or' |
| 04:23.28 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: mg =~ s#maint-guide.en.html in sarge/sid, or## |
| 04:23.28 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 04:24.00 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: mg =~ s#index.html#maint-guide.en.html# |
| 04:24.00 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
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| 04:24.35 | ice_cream | is there an easy way to convert .fon (bitmap) fonts to a *nix format? |
| 04:24.59 | abrotman | !mg |
| 04:24.59 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/maint-guide.en.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 04:25.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: you think ? |
| 04:25.10 | ice_cream | found some online tut that suggests fnttobdf or something |
| 04:25.18 | ice_cream | supposed to be part of wine |
| 04:25.20 | Guerin | ice_cream: probably google is the best bet |
| 04:25.27 | Guerin | font stuff is a bit of a black art |
| 04:25.49 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: should the .html bit be there twice ? |
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| 04:26.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I've no clue; I didn't bother to look it uup. |
| 04:26.19 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:26.29 | abrotman | !find maint-guide.en.html sarge |
| 04:26.34 | dondelelcaro | it's index.html. |
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| 04:27.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: mg =~ s#maint-guide.en.html"#index.html"# |
| 04:27.06 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 04:27.28 | black_13 | ok is possible to create a deb from what a decompessing a tar file would do? |
| 04:27.37 | litage | how can i determine which packages are in contrib? |
| 04:27.42 | dondelelcaro | black_13: yes, but it'll be totally useless. |
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| 04:28.09 | dondelelcaro | litage: packages.debian.org will tell you, and you can also find out by using grep-dctrl or checking out the Packages.gz file from control. |
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| 04:28.47 | vook | I just added tty's 7 and 8 to inittab - all is well, except for some reason ASCII graphics aren't displayed properly (i.e. in mc or mocp). The output of 'export' is identical on all tty's. (TERM=linux) Anyone? |
| 04:28.51 | litage | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 04:28.58 | dondelelcaro | black_13: you're best of actually building .deb packages like real packages are built, by compiling the program, then actually creating the .deb with the appropriate control files. |
| 04:29.16 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, i am building a live cd and and i want package some changes that i make to the /etc and /var directories |
| 04:29.42 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, these arent really binaries but config settings |
| 04:29.47 | dondelelcaro | black_13: so you make a real live .deb package which instead of building a binary, installs those files into those appropriate locations. |
| 04:30.27 | dondelelcaro | black_13: however, putting configuration files directly into a .deb is broken. [It's slightly less of an issue on RO media, but absolutely innappropriate on RW media]/ |
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| 04:31.44 | black_13 | how is it broken? |
| 04:31.58 | dondelelcaro | black_13: because you'll stomp all over any end user configuration changes that are made. |
| 04:32.04 | pickcoder | black_13: there is a post_inst script you can use to replace exsting files from an internal archive, but that is not how it should be done |
| 04:32.16 | Guerin | for which your users will hunt you down and lynch you |
| 04:32.23 | Guerin | and rightly so! |
| 04:32.28 | dondelelcaro | black_13: ucf (and dpkg's built in conffile handling) exist for precisely this purpose. |
| 04:33.18 | dondelelcaro | black_13: in the end though, there's really no shortcut for reading the maint guide, policy, and the nm guide. |
| 04:33.36 | ReinH | Hey, debian installed and up and running from the daily build, thank you very much |
| 04:33.51 | ReinH | Now, my next question, anyone happen to know what source I need for the msttcorefonts package? |
| 04:33.57 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, well once the live cd is set up thats it |
| 04:34.10 | ReinH | http://us.debian.org/debian testing should do it, yes? |
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| 04:34.24 | black_13 | i was think a deb would just be conveniet way of package he changes |
| 04:35.34 | pickcoder | !tell ReinH about msttcorefonts |
| 04:35.51 | dondelelcaro | black_13: well, it is a convenient way, but only so when you understand how to build the packages, which is what that documentation will teach you |
| 04:35.59 | ReinH | pickcoder: ty |
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| 04:37.02 | twobitsprite | OT: does anyone know what IBM uses for its virtualization? I thought I overheard something at work which suggested they might just use Xen... |
| 04:37.14 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: depends on what hardware |
| 04:37.14 | twobitsprite | but I thougt they had their own system |
| 04:37.19 | twobitsprite | power |
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| 04:37.29 | twobitsprite | specificallu 570 |
| 04:37.35 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: the power architecture is the mainframe architecture, and has its own virtualization system. |
| 04:37.54 | twobitsprite | right on |
| 04:38.35 | pickcoder | black_13: what kinds of changes do you want to package? |
| 04:38.37 | twobitsprite | well... I thought mainframes were different from the power arch... Power is just a PowerPC |
| 04:38.49 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: the mainframes use powerpc. |
| 04:38.57 | Paddy_EIRE | for some reason after successfully installing "beryl + aiglx" my deskbar will no longer let me type directly into it although I can paste into it??? any suggestions |
| 04:39.00 | black_13 | gnome themes |
| 04:39.19 | black_13 | gdmlogin setup |
| 04:39.33 | twobitsprite | well, they have powerpc blades |
| 04:39.47 | twobitsprite | and I'm pretty sure they have ppc 1Us |
| 04:39.58 | Paddy_EIRE | oh and Debian rocks |
| 04:40.20 | pickcoder | black_13: so bundle a tarball and setup a bash or perl script to prompt for verification of changes |
| 04:40.22 | Paddy_EIRE | is it possible to get gnome 2.16 on etch |
| 04:41.13 | black_13 | pickcoder, makes sense |
| 04:43.47 | twobitsprite | pickcoder: yeah, me too, which is why I have a hard time thinking of the IBM systems we have as "mainframes"... |
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| 04:45.29 | sgeigerbot | which modprobe command might I need to use to load the iptables 'nat' module? |
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| 04:47.01 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: which kenrel |
| 04:47.03 | pickcoder | kernel too |
| 04:47.11 | sgeigerbot | (I have CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT in menuconfig and I'm compiling the module, but it appears due to this message that it is not loading: iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)) |
| 04:47.15 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: 2.6.17 |
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| 04:47.52 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: iptables shoudl load modules itself |
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| 04:48.17 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: try iptable_nat |
| 04:48.17 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm just trying to do this: sudo su -c "echo \"1\" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"; sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; .... |
| 04:48.30 | pickcoder | or try compiling it into the kernel instead |
| 04:48.48 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: custom kernel? |
| 04:48.50 | pickcoder | running a module for nat seems like an extre waste |
| 04:48.51 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: I think you found it..but it's still not loading: WARNING: Error inserting ip_nat (/lib/modules/2.6.17.1-4/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 04:49.02 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: it shoudl be loaded automatically. |
| 04:49.08 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: wrong kernel version |
| 04:49.18 | pickcoder | modinfo <kernel path> |
| 04:50.07 | sgeigerbot | Here are the pertinent messages from dmesg: ip_nat: Unknown symbol ip_conntrack_tcp_update iptable_nat: Unknown symbol ip_nat_seq_adjust iptable_nat: Unknown symbol ip_nat_setup_info iptable_nat: Unknown symbol ip_nat_packet iptable_nat: Unknown symbol ip_nat_icmp_reply_translation |
| 04:50.31 | pickcoder | erm |
| 04:50.33 | pickcoder | uname -r |
| 04:50.54 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: yes, it's the command I always run to check the kernel version. It's 2.6.17, as mentioned. |
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| 04:51.21 | pickcoder | what about modinfo on the module files you're trying to load |
| 04:52.04 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: modinfo: could not open /lib/modules/2.6.17.1-4: No such device |
| 04:52.29 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: you have to specify a specific module to view |
| 04:52.31 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: I have a hard time believing I didn't properly do modules_install |
| 04:52.48 | pickcoder | they in ./net/ipv4/netfilter/ |
| 04:52.58 | sgeigerbot | Re: modules_install> well, wait a second...that's not the problem. |
| 04:52.58 | pickcoder | it could also be a gcc version difference |
| 04:53.03 | pickcoder | from the kernel |
| 04:53.18 | pickcoder | if the loaded kernel doesn't match |
| 04:54.08 | sgeigerbot | I have all the pertinent modules in /lib/modules/2.6.17.1-4/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ |
| 04:54.27 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: it could be, I guess. I guess I shoudl try recompiling the kernel again? |
| 04:54.32 | pickcoder | I'm sure they're there if you compiled them |
| 04:54.37 | pickcoder | cat /proc/version |
| 04:54.42 | pickcoder | then run modinfo on one of those filter modules |
| 04:54.49 | Guerin | i don't know of anything else which yields that unresolved symbols error, other than modules built agains the wrong kernel tree |
| 04:54.50 | pickcoder | see if the kernel and gcc versions match |
| 04:54.50 | sgeigerbot | Linux version 2.6.17.1-4 (sgeiger2@nycsr0002.ncee.net) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 SMP Wed Jun 21 21:10:42 EDT 2006 |
| 04:55.11 | haggz | sgeigerbot: what does modprobe -l | grep nat show? |
| 04:55.29 | sgeigerbot | vermagic: 2.6.17.1-4 SMP mod_unload PENTIUM4 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3 |
| 04:55.38 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 04:55.42 | sgeigerbot | wait... |
| 04:56.09 | sgeigerbot | "sudo modinfo /lib/modules/2.6.17.1-4/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat.ko" gives me: filename: /lib/modules/2.6.17.1-4/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat.ko license: GPL vermagic: 2.6.17.1-4 SMP mod_unload PENTIUM4 REGPARM 4KSTACKS gcc-3.3 depends: |
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| 04:57.07 | mhiku | why does ncurses isnt on the cvs anymore? |
| 04:57.16 | Guerin | mhiku: ? |
| 04:57.18 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: I would find it highly unusual that the kernel and the modules were compiled with a different gcc. I guess I could have made a mistake...but I am usually pretty consistent, as I usually use a script to do this kind oof stuff. |
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| 04:57.43 | Haris | Hello folks |
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| 04:57.57 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: you can try to force it in despite the magic |
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| 04:58.02 | mhiku | ncurses in cvs is blank |
| 04:58.04 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: no idea if it'll work, though |
| 04:58.12 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: I dunno then. Run what haggz said. |
| 04:58.12 | Guerin | mhiku: *which* cvs? |
| 04:58.24 | scx | buon giorno |
| 04:58.37 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: with insmod or modprobe? If so, it didn't work. |
| 04:58.50 | Guerin | ok. |
| 04:59.24 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: FATAL: Error inserting ip_nat (/lib/modules/2.6.17.1-4/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_nat.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 05:00.17 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: what happens when you run iptables -t nat --list |
| 05:00.48 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: you probably won't be able to insert all of those manually |
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| 05:00.52 | sgeigerbot | iptables v1.2.6a: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 05:01.11 | Acu | guys, I have installed realplayer - however I do not know how should I make it work such that Iceweasel used it when to play realmedia? - |
| 05:01.28 | Acu | Very anoying Iceweasel wants to open everything with totem (which is more or less useless) |
| 05:01.29 | pickcoder | try dpkg-reconfigure if it's already installed |
| 05:01.39 | Guerin | Acu: consult the vendor documentation |
| 05:01.51 | sgeigerbot | Even after upgrading iptables I still can't do that last command successfully; I'm getting the same error. |
| 05:02.03 | Guerin | rebuild the kernel |
| 05:02.07 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: yes. |
| 05:02.08 | Guerin | that's all I can think of |
| 05:02.10 | sgeigerbot | :-\ |
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| 05:02.23 | Guerin | or just use a debian kernel |
| 05:02.32 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: no thanks. |
| 05:02.33 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: try depmod -a |
| 05:02.34 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 05:02.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:02.45 | Guerin | too good for debian stuff, eh |
| 05:02.47 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: no output |
| 05:02.52 | pickcoder | then rerun the iptables |
| 05:03.03 | concept10 | Acu, I use this extension called Multimedia Connectivity in firefox. It grabs multimedia and sends it where you want |
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| 05:03.07 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: I don't want to deal with package management stuff on such a low level. |
| 05:03.23 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: I know there are some benefits, but I like total control on that level. |
| 05:03.33 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: It's my freakin' operating system! |
| 05:03.42 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: slackware is ----> thataway |
| 05:03.52 | SerajewelKS | wtf, Xnest is rejecting connections |
| 05:04.02 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: is ip_tables loaded? |
| 05:04.04 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: Dude, chill. It's just one program in the Debian system. |
| 05:04.17 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: It's not even 2 MBs of compiled executable. |
| 05:04.24 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: hey, don't get cranky ;) |
| 05:04.27 | Acu | concept10: thanks that what I used to do - however if I want to see the nbc apprentice - the flashplayer did not work until I removed the multimedia connectivity - now I cannot realmedia |
| 05:04.32 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 05:04.33 | SerajewelKS | AUDIT: Thu Feb 8 00:03:38 2007: 4466 Xnest: client 1 rejected from local host |
| 05:04.35 | SerajewelKS | why the hell |
| 05:05.15 | concept10 | Acu, just disable the flash bits in multimedia connec. |
| 05:05.23 | concept10 | something funny happened on my ubuntu system: the crash reporter is crashing trying to report crashes of the crash reporter |
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| 05:05.37 | drwahl | :) |
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| 05:05.41 | drwahl | hey all |
| 05:05.47 | Guerin | concept10: that's a perfect illustration of why crash reporters are a fucking useless waste of time |
| 05:05.52 | drwahl | i am having an issue install debian etch via net install |
| 05:05.59 | concept10 | Guerin, yep |
| 05:06.01 | Guerin | drwahl: lemme guess: it gets to 5%? |
| 05:06.07 | drwahl | :) |
| 05:06.15 | drwahl | u guys are so- smart |
| 05:06.16 | drwahl | lol |
| 05:06.17 | sgeigerbot | After running "make" inside my kernel sources directory I got this warning: WARNING: drivers/usb/storage/usb-storage.o - Section mismatch: reference to .exit.text: from .smp_locks after '' (at offset 0x60) |
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| 05:06.22 | Guerin | drwahl: use the daily installer, the rc1 is broken |
| 05:06.45 | drwahl | Guerin: i am downloading it right now... thanks for the help |
| 05:06.49 | SerajewelKS | has something in Xnest changed recently? i cannot get any clients to connect to it. the server reports that it is rejecting connections, does not explain why, and the manpage does not give any info as to what is going on or how to fix it. |
| 05:06.55 | Guerin | no wuckin' furries |
| 05:06.56 | haggz | isn't the rc2 installer about ready to be released? |
| 05:06.59 | sgeigerbot | What's that about? Hmmm...maybe it is unimportnat. I just don't remember seeing that before. Then again, I originally compiled this kernel a long, long time ago. |
| 05:07.06 | Guerin | haggz: soon. |
| 05:07.12 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: make clean may help |
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| 05:07.16 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 05:07.23 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: good idea. |
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| 05:09.10 | stephans | where can I download the Debian kernel that I can use for PXE/TFTP boot? |
| 05:09.51 | SerajewelKS | sigh |
| 05:10.21 | pickcoder | cheers |
| 05:10.28 | SerajewelKS | is there some channel for Xnest or am i wasting my time asking here |
| 05:10.34 | hooya | stephans: you're probably going to have to compile one yourself |
| 05:11.31 | hooya | stephans: diskless? |
| 05:11.57 | stephans | hooya: yes I want to boot the debian installer from tftp... |
| 05:12.18 | hooya | ah, that's a whole 'nother bees wax |
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| 05:12.29 | stephans | I downloaded it once but now debian changed the kernel version on lin and the installer no longer works |
| 05:13.12 | hooya | unless you're looking to do a large number of installations, i'd just go with a usb cdrom type installation.. |
| 05:13.44 | stephans | Well I have several systems with no CD or floppy |
| 05:13.50 | hooya | usb? |
| 05:14.11 | stephans | yes but version 1.2 and the bios does not support usb boot |
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| 05:14.21 | hooya | ah. |
| 05:14.33 | stephans | it used to work great... |
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| 05:15.39 | hooya | i used to do a diskless farm. a while ago. can't seem to find my notes. but never did a PXE install |
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| 05:16.23 | stephans | Its the the same but the initrd contains the installer |
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| 05:28.07 | SerajewelKS | is there something like xmove that works with applications that have tray icons? |
| 05:29.54 | scx | hello, is there a good way to get protection against recursive downloading? I was told in #apache about placing index files in the dirs and also to use robots.txt but I know robots can be overriden and indexing doesn't seem very tough |
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| 05:30.35 | SerajewelKS | scx: if you use index files then bots don't know what is in each directory |
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| 05:30.54 | SerajewelKS | scx: if you provide links to those files though, then of course the bots can find them |
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| 05:31.48 | scx | I was thinking in: user access Server1 which get's it's info from Server2 which can only be accessed from Server1's IP. Server2 get's from server3 it's DB and other sensitive data |
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| 05:32.08 | SerajewelKS | scx: i'm not really sure what you're trying to do |
| 05:32.12 | scx | of course thinking in plane coding |
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| 05:32.27 | dexomsrc | What's a manufacturer that makes 802.11g/b PCMCIA cards that have native Free drivers in the Linux kernel that are also really good at being in promiscuous mode for sniffing? |
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| 05:33.17 | SerajewelKS | dexomsrc: i hear anything with the prism2 chipset |
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| 05:33.24 | scx | ok, I know bots don't know about those files, but doesn't seem to secure to me, I just wander about another options |
| 05:34.02 | SerajewelKS | scx: then your question is not about bots at all, it's about security |
| 05:34.10 | scx | dexomsrc: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 05:34.13 | SerajewelKS | scx: asking the right question is half of the battle |
| 05:34.25 | scx | yes, bots are a plain example |
| 05:34.32 | scx | srry |
| 05:35.10 | scx | basically I want user to be ablt to get just a restricted part of the site like 1 page at once or such |
| 05:35.24 | scx | err:ablt=able |
| 05:35.54 | scx | not restricting 'cause I'd be vulnerable against DoS |
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| 05:36.14 | scx | if there's a detected abuse maybe I could redirect, dunno |
| 05:36.40 | dexomsrc | SerajewelKS: prism2 is good for promiscuous mode? |
| 05:36.56 | SerajewelKS | dexomsrc: afaik yes |
| 05:37.21 | SerajewelKS | scx: again i'm not really sure what you are asking about... retrieval rate limiting? blocking certain files? |
| 05:37.21 | scx | dexomsrc: oui |
| 05:38.01 | drwahl | Guerin: you were right, the daily build fixed the problem. thank you again |
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| 05:38.03 | vchrizz | hi |
| 05:38.11 | dexomsrc | And the "hostap" driver is in Linux already so it would be a plug-n-play scenario? |
| 05:38.11 | scx | SerajewelKS: blocking all files to a certain user, else the page requested and it's files |
| 05:38.39 | SerajewelKS | scx: certain user being an IP address, or what? |
| 05:39.01 | scx | SerajewelKS: user is unable to access two things at once and unable to access more that 1 file in a period of time |
| 05:39.08 | dexomsrc | Aww there are none that are 802.11g |
| 05:39.13 | scx | SerajewelKS: let's say... |
| 05:39.23 | SerajewelKS | scx: then you will break every browser out there |
| 05:39.38 | vchrizz | aptitude install pure-ftpd-mysql wants to install v 1.0.21-8 but apt-get source gives me source for v 1.0.21-7 ... whats wrong? i did aptitude update and apt-get update |
| 05:39.47 | SerajewelKS | scx: browsers will fetch images and stylesheets as fast as they want |
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| 05:41.35 | scx | SerajewelKS: you enter my page and you buy a wlan card, you can load the 'my settings' page but if you open a tab or another browser from the same IP you'll not be able to load that or anyother page, you'll just see an specific page (like 404) |
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| 05:42.02 | pinks | scx: I think what you are trying to do can be done with some creative permissions usage - that's what I do |
| 05:42.16 | scx | surely accessing 'my settings' the user can load all it's images and css and stuff |
| 05:42.28 | Guerin | drwahl: sweet |
| 05:42.51 | scx | pinks: mmm... any example |
| 05:42.56 | SerajewelKS | scx: no, not really |
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| 05:43.05 | guk | hmm ... why does screen all of a sudden require CTRL-SHIFT-A (cmd) it never needed this before ? |
| 05:43.17 | guk | I havn't touched any screen related confs but I did update my debian system |
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| 05:43.36 | SerajewelKS | scx: you need to define the problem better. you are guessing at solutions that will break things without giving us all the information we need to help you build a solution that works. |
| 05:43.57 | scx | SerajewelKS: take in mind it's an idea if you have a better sugesstion, well |
| 05:44.03 | pinks | scx: think of groups of users that you want to be able to access the various pages. |
| 05:44.14 | hooya | scx: trying to implement something like what some hotels do? allow wifi nodes to registration site only till they register? |
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| 05:44.58 | scx | hooya: mmmm.. |
| 05:45.21 | hooya | is that a 'yes' or is that tastey? |
| 05:45.41 | scx | hooya: no, not really |
| 05:45.53 | hooya | ok. just trying to help. |
| 05:46.08 | scx | ot's something alike but not exactly that |
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| 05:46.32 | SerajewelKS | scx: for the last time, please define your problem. we can't help you until you do. |
| 05:46.40 | hooya | well, you may want to describe what it is that you want.. |
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| 05:47.12 | SerajewelKS | scx: i don't want an example |
| 05:47.17 | scx | ok, I'll redife in another way |
| 05:47.21 | SerajewelKS | scx: i want to know what you are trying to accomplish |
| 05:47.24 | scx | redifine |
| 05:47.31 | hooya | redefine |
| 05:47.36 | scx | that |
| 05:47.40 | scx | oops |
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| 05:48.13 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:48.25 | Guerin | it's clear you don't know what you actually want to do |
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| 05:48.52 | Guerin | get back to us when you have every nut and boild thought through in principle, and are just looking to implement it |
| 05:48.55 | twobitsprite | wow... I just realized that the linux kernel has non-free code in it... |
| 05:49.02 | Guerin | twobitsprite: *shock* |
| 05:49.09 | hooya | horror |
| 05:49.13 | Guerin | twobitsprite: actually, there are strong arguments it's *not* code |
| 05:49.20 | Guerin | which is why it's in there |
| 05:49.22 | twobitsprite | Guerin: eh? |
| 05:49.30 | hooya | but what is? |
| 05:49.42 | twobitsprite | looks like code, smells like code... |
| 05:49.48 | valdyn | twobitsprite: lies |
| 05:50.15 | twobitsprite | so, I'm curious about these arguments... |
| 05:50.58 | Guerin | twobitsprite: it's not hard at all to argue assembly or random magic hex blobs aren't code |
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| 05:51.07 | twobitsprite | Guerin: bleh |
| 05:51.13 | Guerin | they're just magic numbers which happen to do a particular thing |
| 05:51.33 | twobitsprite | Guerin: while I agree, unfortunately the rest of the world doesn't |
| 05:51.41 | scx | user request index.html to the Server1, then Server1 do not contain any files it is just a 'frontend' Server1 get's all it's files from an internal 'Server2' (including css jpg and else), Server2 is accessible just by Server1, Server 2 consults another internal db server (Server3) only accessible by Server2. DB server has all the sensitive data |
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| 05:52.01 | Guerin | twobitsprite: yes, I tend to agree with you ... but I don't have standing to argue either way, since I'm neither a coder nor an expert on low-level machine interpretation |
| 05:52.07 | scx | twobitsprite: what code? |
| 05:52.23 | twobitsprite | scx: tg3.c, e.g. |
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| 05:52.36 | twobitsprite | " Copyright (C) 2005 Broadcom Corporation. |
| 05:52.38 | twobitsprite | " |
| 05:52.43 | scx | :o |
| 05:52.46 | Guerin | twobitsprite: means nothing |
| 05:52.56 | valdyn | twobitsprite: that's not non-free |
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| 05:53.06 | Guerin | twobitsprite: it could be copyright microsoft corporation and still be free software, if the license was right |
| 05:53.07 | hooya | since you brought it up, have you used a firmware with tg3? what does it allow you to do that otherwise is not possible? |
| 05:53.13 | scx | now it is more clear? basically is using layers of information |
| 05:53.31 | SerajewelKS | technically you could make the argument that any binary data cannot be copyrighted. whether that would stand up in US court is another matter. |
| 05:53.40 | Guerin | scx: sounds like you need to hire a network administrator |
| 05:53.47 | Guerin | scx: right. |
| 05:53.53 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: right |
| 05:54.06 | scx | :p |
| 05:54.07 | twobitsprite | SerajewelKS: how does that argument go (other than by side-stepping with "it's not really code") |
| 05:54.35 | hooya | twobitsprite: when tg3 gets loaded there's a message that says firmware not found.. what firmware? what does it do? been using tg3 for a while now but never found the answer to that one.. :( |
| 05:54.38 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: well if you have some copyrighted audio file, how many bytes do you need to distribute before it's infringement? |
| 05:55.05 | Guerin | twobitsprite: source is clearly copyrightable - but one source can generate an arbitrary number of different, functional binaries, depending on what you use to process it |
| 05:55.07 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: what if you encrypt the file first... does the producer own the encrypted representation too, even though you created it? |
| 05:55.29 | twobitsprite | SerajewelKS: I see... so, it's the ambiguity... i.e. you can't copyright 0100010, but for some strange reason you can copyright it when it's 4 million of those... where does one draw the line, etc? |
| 05:55.32 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: different case, since fair use can apply to part of an audio work, but not practically to a binary/. |
| 05:55.33 | hooya | SerajewelKS: for that matter, how much of a song can you sing in public before it's infringement? i don't think that that particular predicament is unique to digital stuff.. |
| 05:55.45 | Guerin | hooya: singing in public is usually fair use. |
| 05:55.56 | Guerin | in jurisdictions which recognise fair use. |
| 05:56.25 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: yes it is. if i XOR two audio files together, who owns the resultant garbage? |
| 05:56.29 | Guerin | a lot of this also would be enforceable under `derivative works' |
| 05:56.30 | hooya | Guerin: tell that to music stores that have to pay a pre-liscense for all the 'public performances' that people might perform in the store trying out the instruments.. |
| 05:56.43 | dexomsrc | scx: apparently the Atheros chipset is really good for packet injection and promiscuous mode |
| 05:56.45 | Guerin | hooya: `public performance' is distinct from `singing in public' |
| 05:56.57 | hooya | my bad. |
| 05:57.17 | scx | dexomsrc: don't have atheros but I've eard so |
| 05:57.18 | hooya | but my argument still stands |
| 05:57.41 | twobitsprite | anyways... great convo, wish I could continue, but it's getting late |
| 05:57.45 | SerajewelKS | twobitsprite: and how does the record company claim all of the MP3 encodings of one particular song, given that different settings will produce a different sequence of bits? |
| 05:57.48 | twobitsprite | just glad I could start some fires :) |
| 05:58.10 | hooya | hey man, "we didn't start the fire, it was always burning.." |
| 05:58.19 | hooya | now there's a copyright infringment... |
| 05:58.20 | SerajewelKS | what if one file could be interpreted as a song one way and a picture another? who gets the copyright then? it's all legal BS. |
| 05:58.41 | SerajewelKS | i would like to see what US courts would do with this argument |
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| 05:59.24 | blackelf | congratulations |
| 05:59.26 | blackelf | good job fucking up openoffice in testing |
| 05:59.28 | blackelf | can't we have a version between testing and stable? |
| 05:59.45 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: go away |
| 05:59.52 | Tallu | blackelf: whats your point? |
| 05:59.55 | PrMoriarty | hello |
| 06:00.10 | PrMoriarty | how are you today? |
| 06:00.13 | blackelf | Tallu: open office do not work in debian testing |
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| 06:00.23 | blackelf | SerajewelKS: why |
| 06:00.29 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: so file a bug and stop yelling at the people trying to do their job |
| 06:00.35 | Tallu | blackelf: you're not supposed to use testing if you dont know what you're doing, file a bug. |
| 06:00.55 | hooya | SerajewelKS: that's indeed interesting.. if one made an image interpreter from an mp3 file.. you could argue that that mp3 (at this point with another file extension to avoid the stigma), file was never meant to be a picture anyhow.. it was an artists impressionistic representation of the music.. what then? |
| 06:01.07 | blackelf | Tallu: stable is too old to be usable, there should be something in between. like a testing + 2 week delay |
| 06:01.14 | SerajewelKS | hooya: then we wouldn't use that as an argument |
| 06:01.16 | hooya | s/to be a picture/to be music/ |
| 06:01.52 | parsonsd | blackelf : and then you'd get all the two-week-old bugs that have already been fixed since. |
| 06:02.13 | SerajewelKS | hooya: more interesting is when you XOR two audio files... is that a derivative work of either song, given the fact that a random generator would eventually produce the same file? |
| 06:02.15 | blackelf | parsonsd: no, then pack will de delayed another 2 weeks |
| 06:02.30 | Tallu | blackelf: maybe you'd like to become a developer and take that as your sole responsibility |
| 06:02.32 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: that's what testing is |
| 06:02.33 | blackelf | only things that where in testing with no bugs for say 2 weeks |
| 06:02.53 | blackelf | SerajewelKS: one testing's OOo crashes, other doesnt install |
| 06:02.53 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: packages uploaded to unstable get moved to testing after a week of no bugs |
| 06:03.03 | yunhual | hello, i have a file which contain a ip:port list. each ip:port list is an http proxy server, i want to find out which specify ip:port proyx server can work correctly. is ther any utility can do this ? |
| 06:03.05 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: no reported bugs that is |
| 06:03.15 | Tallu | blackelf: why dont you file a bug and stop whining? |
| 06:03.32 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: so nobody had this problem for the week it was in unstable |
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| 06:03.48 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: not their fault, not your fault. so stop bitching. |
| 06:03.50 | hsk | srry: connection lost my last readable line was: [11:00] <scx> potarge? |
| 06:04.08 | blackelf | SerajewelKS: ok so the idea is to make yet another layer, 2 week delay "under" testing |
| 06:04.21 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: and waste all that disk space? |
| 06:04.24 | Tallu | blackelf: are you willing to do it? |
| 06:04.35 | blackelf | so... stable <--?-- tested <-- 2 weeks -- testing <-- 1 week -- unstable <-- experimental |
| 06:04.40 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: testing is not for end users. if you want something stable, guess what, we have stable. |
| 06:04.42 | yunhual | can anybody here understand what i said. |
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| 06:04.56 | blackelf | SerajewelKS: problem is, stable sometimes is half-year od |
| 06:04.57 | blackelf | odl |
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| 06:05.06 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: yes it is. that's why it's stable. |
| 06:05.13 | hooya | blackelf: you offerring the resources to make that happen? |
| 06:05.20 | Tallu | blackelf: if you use testing you should be ready to try and fix the bugs that arise, and report them. not bitch about how its not stable. |
| 06:05.33 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: either file a bug and stop bitching, or stop bitching. |
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| 06:05.49 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: you might also tell is what the problem is; maybe one of us could help you with it |
| 06:05.55 | SerajewelKS | s/is/us/ |
| 06:06.02 | blackelf | SerajewelKS: hangs while editing |
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| 06:06.13 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: but if you ask with this entitlement attitude then nobody will want to thelp |
| 06:06.24 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: any console messages? |
| 06:06.26 | blackelf | is there other editor for odt |
| 06:06.29 | blackelf | SerajewelKS: no |
| 06:06.36 | blackelf | 100% cpu |
| 06:06.38 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: abiword maybe |
| 06:06.44 | hooya | blackelf: some of us are actually using debian *because* it's so old. that way we know things will work for a long time... |
| 06:06.53 | blackelf | shit I have to have that important paper ready now |
| 06:07.13 | hooya | shouldn't have used testing.. |
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| 06:07.43 | blackelf | hooya: some soft I use is not at all in stable |
| 06:07.45 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: debian is not responsible for your choice to use testing, you are |
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| 06:09.07 | SerajewelKS | blackelf: i am using testing and OOo works just fine |
| 06:09.16 | hooya | blackelf: i understand your predicament but testing is named that way for a reason.. |
| 06:09.39 | hooya | for the record, i'm using testing on another box and OOo works fine there too.. |
| 06:09.46 | Tallu | Same for me. |
| 06:10.16 | hooya | blackelf: if you are truly in a bind, try downloading knoppix and use that to get you out of this jam.. |
| 06:10.43 | SerajewelKS | or install sarge in a chroot |
| 06:10.54 | blackelf | SerajewelKS: no time - too big download |
| 06:10.54 | hooya | yeah |
| 06:11.09 | blackelf | damn debian failed me when I had reaaaaaly importand job to finish |
| 06:11.15 | blackelf | like 5000 usd one. |
| 06:11.30 | peterS | you mean debian _testing_ failed you. it does that sometimes. |
| 06:12.11 | SerajewelKS | hell testing has borked my box more than once. but i was willing to accept that before i installed it. |
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| 06:12.18 | hooya | and guess what? debian _unstable_ does that even more frequently. and _experimental_? forget about it.. |
| 06:12.34 | Guerin | i just refrain from doing anything which might break my box until I can afford to fix0r it |
| 06:12.58 | Guerin | like, for instance, i haven't dist-upgraded in a month or so |
| 06:13.10 | peterS | Guerin: so you have built up a resistance to the "new version! ooh shiny! must try it now" effect |
| 06:13.46 | SerajewelKS | i usually try to dist-upgrade at least every other day |
| 06:13.55 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, new versions of firefox, emacs, cplay, evilwm, texlive and rxvt-unicode-ml don't tend to bring me much joy |
| 06:14.05 | hooya | peterS: i'm hoping that the devs dont' get the impression that all of us are slaves of the effect. |
| 06:14.06 | Guerin | those being 99% of my computing |
| 06:14.07 | SerajewelKS | when developing things it helps to have recent libraries |
| 06:14.30 | Guerin | and yet, for some reason, I still run sid ... |
| 06:14.37 | SerajewelKS | the sooner i get them the sooner i can use their features and report bugs |
| 06:14.50 | peterS | hooya: a surprising number of users are - people get this strange mentality "I am using version 1.4, there exists a version 1.7, therefore my life will suck until I get a chance to upgrade" |
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| 06:15.22 | SerajewelKS | peterS: yes, life becomes more about having the latest whatever than getting things done |
| 06:15.25 | PrMoriarty | hello do you know a chan about Network technology and architecture? |
| 06:15.32 | drwahl | i usualy live by "if it is working, leave it alone" |
| 06:15.34 | parsonsd | peterS : what?? That isn't true? |
| 06:15.37 | hsk | *hooya cachun cachun rara! cachun cachun rara! |
| 06:15.38 | SerajewelKS | as we are seeing play out with vista |
| 06:15.45 | SerajewelKS | PrMoriarty: #networking i think |
| 06:16.01 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well, I think a lot of people (corporate users in particular) are giving vista the big shrug right now |
| 06:16.07 | PrMoriarty | i m a dumb |
| 06:16.10 | PrMoriarty | thank you |
| 06:16.14 | SerajewelKS | PrMoriarty: np |
| 06:16.22 | hsk | oh, yes, someone knows if Vista still has the problem that XP when restoring MBR ? |
| 06:16.32 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i installed vista in virtualbox (a really nice GPL virtualizer btw) and i'm not terribly impressed |
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| 06:16.38 | EdLin | Vista - Windows Digital Millenium Act Edition (the next ME) |
| 06:16.43 | hooya | peterS: i've been reading a lot of blogs recently that claim that since XYZbuntu has the most recent feature, it's the best. debian is just old. well, some of us love it because of that. well, not exactly, but because old means tested, proven, working etc.. i hope it stays that way. |
| 06:16.52 | drwahl | vista still screws up the MBR, yes |
| 06:16.59 | drwahl | i have it installed on my computer here |
| 06:17.02 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 06:17.05 | drwahl | Vista Ultimate |
| 06:17.14 | hooya | hsk: ? |
| 06:17.19 | Guerin | !lose drwahl |
| 06:17.19 | drwahl | i hate it, but my professor wants my to test it |
| 06:17.19 | dpkg | drwahl: You Lose. |
| 06:17.22 | parsonsd | drwahl : sounds like a game... |
| 06:17.26 | peterS | hooya: yeah I think debian will remain that way. We have on record release managers that don't want to deal with the stress of releasing more often than every 12 to 18 months |
| 06:17.33 | hsk | dpkg: wtf? |
| 06:17.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, wtf is When The Fuck |
| 06:17.34 | SerajewelKS | hooya: well i develop .NET stuff with mono, and that scene isn't exactly set in stone yet. frequent upgrades help a lot. |
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| 06:18.34 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: considering that mono is owned by Novell, you're probably right about it not being set in stone. |
| 06:18.37 | hooya | wtf deserves more credit than that. it's much more versatile. when the fuck. who the fuck. where the fuck. and most importantly 'what the fuck'. |
| 06:18.39 | Guerin | set in silly putty |
| 06:18.55 | Guerin | dpkg: literal wtf |
| 06:18.56 | dpkg | "wtf" is "(What|Who|Where|Why|When) The Fuck" |
| 06:18.59 | Guerin | :) |
| 06:19.00 | SerajewelKS | but having the latest can be great for publicity. my friends are quite impressed with beryl, for example. |
| 06:19.20 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: if you like being a marketroid, I suppose that's the win |
| 06:19.38 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: having a system that works is more important than impressing friends |
| 06:19.39 | Guerin | people I know are impressed by LaTeX |
| 06:19.44 | peterS | SerajewelKS: wake me up when beryl lets me do something more easily than I am already doing it. something other than showing off features nobody would want to use in production |
| 06:19.44 | Tallu | Personally I dont choose my distro to impress my friends. ;) |
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| 06:20.04 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i use metacity most of the time but when people make comments about how vista looks amazing, switching to beryl shuts them up pretty fast. |
| 06:20.37 | SerajewelKS | peterS: annotate and scale are pretty useful i think |
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| 06:21.17 | Guerin | as long as beryl is limited to certain windowmanagers and reliant upon proprietary drivers, it's useless to me |
| 06:21.35 | parsonsd | what they need is enlightenment |
| 06:21.59 | hooya | pun intended? |
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| 06:22.10 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: to you, yes. i never said it's useful to everyone. |
| 06:22.11 | Guerin | sadly, i think not |
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| 06:22.15 | peterS | "How the stars use their whole CPU for snazzy effects. Tonight on E!" |
| 06:22.24 | EdLin | yeah, show them e17 instead - it can do some eye-candy and it performs OK on free drivers |
| 06:22.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yeh. people like shiny things. Film at 11. |
| 06:23.16 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: the facts are that eyecandy impresses people. i'd rather have to support linux, beryl, and one nonfree driver than have to support an OS that is fully nonfree. |
| 06:23.24 | hooya | until hit fits that shan. |
| 06:23.42 | pinks | drwahl: I had to learn how to rewrite the MBR when I wanted XP beside Debs |
| 06:23.49 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i'd rather just have one which is free and keeps out of my way. |
| 06:23.50 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: nvidia's propritary drivers had a remote root bug that was unfixed for over 6 months. |
| 06:24.01 | peterS | SerajewelKS: are you saying people would actually _use_ beryl for _real work_? I've always figured it was something to run on a booth at a tech fair, no more |
| 06:24.19 | drwahl | pinks: i just rely on grub-install /dev/sda right now :) |
| 06:24.20 | parsonsd | hooya : yah. intended. |
| 06:24.26 | hooya | heh |
| 06:24.32 | blackelf | damn |
| 06:24.33 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: show me a home user who cares.. they use xp for crying out loud |
| 06:24.35 | blackelf | ok wish me luck |
| 06:24.38 | pinks | seems that M$ are determined to grab the MBR and they hope make any other os's unavailable |
| 06:24.52 | drwahl | lol |
| 06:24.53 | blackelf | if this oo testing fails in next hour Im -4000 usd |
| 06:24.59 | SerajewelKS | peterS: i'm saying that the more home users NOT using windows, the easier my job is |
| 06:25.07 | Bogus8 | is it possible to take a 250gig hard drive that has been partitioned/formatted into two 125gig partitions and just mash them together? |
| 06:25.07 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: so since they use XP, we should make GNU/Linux more like XP? |
| 06:25.23 | peterS | Bogus8: what do you mean by 'mash them together'? |
| 06:25.25 | Bogus8 | right now it's on a non lba137 compliant controller |
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| 06:25.28 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: XP has nothing like beryl, so i'm not sure that this applies |
| 06:25.30 | parsonsd | EdLin : still unfixed depending on your card. they don't support anything too old. |
| 06:25.31 | PrMoriarty | want just asking a thing for true user of debian |
| 06:25.39 | hooya | Bogus8: lvm |
| 06:25.40 | Guerin | Bogus8: lvm |
| 06:25.41 | Bogus8 | but it will soon go on a pci ide card that can handle the full 250 |
| 06:25.44 | pinks | drwahl: it was interesting to learn about the MBR and where it is etc -- there are few "standards in that area - and in partitioning |
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| 06:25.50 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: XP is closed source, and Beyrl relies on closed source drivers. |
| 06:26.08 | scx | hooya: hooya in spanish is a cheer |
| 06:26.11 | EdLin | parsonsd: I know, I have a TNT2 |
| 06:26.12 | PrMoriarty | is debian give you all you need? games music information etc etc etc |
| 06:26.17 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: but beryl is one piece, not the whole OS. they are going to have more problems with the free parts, and those are the parts we can fix. |
| 06:26.18 | peterS | Bogus8: uh are you sure the controller can't handle lba48? most IDE controllers honestly don't even notice, even the ones shipped before lba48 was invented |
| 06:26.22 | PrMoriarty | or you need too you have a partition in windows |
| 06:26.26 | Bogus8 | hooya, Guerin yeah, never thought of that... no partitioning trick can make them just one continuous partition? |
| 06:26.34 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: his point is that the chain is only as strong as the weakest link; having a broken nvidia driver is most of the way to being as bad as having a broken os |
| 06:26.47 | peterS | Bogus8: your other option is to delete the second partition then resize the first one to take over the disk |
| 06:26.54 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: but not nearly as bad |
| 06:26.56 | Tallu | PrMoriarty: yes it gives me everything i need |
| 06:26.57 | Bogus8 | peterS: it's screwed up some data several times already before we realized it wasn't |
| 06:27.01 | Guerin | Bogus8: if you're booting off another drive, i think the OS can still use a big partition, it's just bios which freaks |
| 06:27.02 | peterS | ahh |
| 06:27.13 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i would say it is nearly as bad |
| 06:27.22 | Bogus8 | Guerin: booting off another drive... still messes up some data |
| 06:27.26 | PrMoriarty | really for geek as me think linux just need some good games |
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| 06:27.31 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: and having one critical component be non-free is bad, too - see The Java Trap |
| 06:27.37 | PrMoriarty | dunno why editors never products on linux |
| 06:27.38 | Guerin | Bogus8: hm, ok. |
| 06:27.43 | Bogus8 | we tried different drives and controller cards to make sure it wasn't just a flaky drive |
| 06:27.50 | PrMoriarty | i mean big games editors |
| 06:27.53 | parsonsd | EdLin, i told one of the outside techs where i work that is what i had and he just handed me a radeon 7000. sadly, i find no 3d drivers. |
| 06:28.01 | Guerin | PrMoriarty: no market. |
| 06:28.22 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i'm not sure i would classify accelerated 3d as critical, but okay |
| 06:28.27 | Bogus8 | Guerin: I think it was actually you that I was verifying my rsync commands with (about 2 weeks ago) when I first saw the glitches in linux |
| 06:28.34 | EdLin | parsonsd: I think the DRI compatible free drivers have 3D for that card. |
| 06:28.36 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: but that's your whole point! |
| 06:28.43 | pinks | PrMoriarty: sounds like you need dual boot ;-) |
| 06:28.53 | parsonsd | EdLin : ? where do i find? |
| 06:28.59 | PrMoriarty | have one |
| 06:29.02 | Guerin | PrMoriarty: the current state of play is `good enough' for most gamers. And why not run a proprietary OS or driver for ganmes? It's not like they'll release free software games anyhow. |
| 06:29.07 | EdLin | parsonsd: they are part of xorg or xfree86. |
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| 06:29.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: no, my point is that more exposure of linux to home users is good, and beryl does that |
| 06:29.18 | parsonsd | EdLin : better yet, wherea re the docs to look at setting up x.conf? |
| 06:29.50 | parsonsd | (for it, i mean) |
| 06:29.50 | EdLin | !drxx parsonsd |
| 06:29.50 | dpkg | parsonsd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:29.50 | hooya | SerajewelKS: dunno about that one. |
| 06:29.50 | SerajewelKS | hooya: what one |
| 06:29.51 | pinks | !tell pinks about beryl |
| 06:29.53 | peterS | parsonsd: as with most configuration files in debian, this one has a manual page. if 'dpkg-reconfigure' does not do what you need, try 'man xorg.conf' |
| 06:29.59 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: right, which is only possible with the non-free driver. I'd argue that from a `good' perspective, that's almost as bad as just windows. Or OSX. |
| 06:29.59 | parsonsd | EdLin, thanks |
| 06:30.07 | EdLin | parsonsd: np |
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| 06:30.31 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: it's all about where your utility is: mine is in software freedom.yours appears to be in `not windowsness' |
| 06:30.39 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: you are looking at this from a "right now" perspective, i am looking at this from a future perspective |
| 06:30.57 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: for my own use, yes, i value free software |
| 06:31.07 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, that's exactly it: i'm looking at it in the long term rather than int the immediate 'ooh, shiny' plan |
| 06:31.24 | pinks | SerajewelKS: what about the rest of us - you want me to pay? |
| 06:31.30 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: for the people i support, i would rather them use linux with one nonfree driver than use a fully closed OS. because one is easier to support. |
| 06:31.33 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: if you propagate the idea that proprietary software is ok in some cases, you're basically just ESR. |
| 06:31.52 | EdLin | ESR <shudder> |
| 06:31.55 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yes, your utility is in pragmatism. Mine isn't. |
| 06:32.08 | hooya | if you then bitch about CUPS then you *are* ESR. ;) |
| 06:32.12 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:32.13 | peterS | now now, no need to be calling people names |
| 06:32.18 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i am also looking at the point when the free nvidia drivers are usable |
| 06:32.29 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yeah, right. |
| 06:32.40 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: without sufficient demand for them, they won't ever be. |
| 06:33.04 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: the free nvidia drivers are obfuscated by nvidia, and the specs to their video cards are closed. You may be waiting for a long time. |
| 06:33.18 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i am not talking about nv |
| 06:33.18 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: see cedega/crossover office v wine - wine will always be shit because the moment it becomes `good enough' revenues from the proprietary products drop off. |
| 06:33.26 | Guerin | i think he means nouveau |
| 06:33.44 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: so you should change binary blobs? That's even worse. |
| 06:33.54 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: ... what? |
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| 06:34.13 | hooya | SerajewelKS: i am a hypocrate on this one tho. i got a laptop at work with nvidia - had no choice. i did complain tho. but did change things. i'm already a fringe lunatic for using linux on the desktop.. :( |
| 06:34.21 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: you said "I'm not talking about nv", then you're talking about the closed source drivers. |
| 06:34.28 | hooya | s/did/did not/ |
| 06:34.30 | peterS | geez, is the nv driver _still_ obfuscated? I remember when this issue came up in the XFree86 3.3.2 release, or so, circa 1998. nvidia contributed that driver (for their then-current Riva128 / RivaTNT) obfuscated, for some reason, and someone at slashdot heard..... |
| 06:34.33 | PrMoriarty | another question stupid i m sure...what is the OS the most used in the world for server architecture? |
| 06:34.35 | Guerin | EdLin: look up nouveau |
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| 06:34.42 | Guerin | PrMoriarty: impossible to say |
| 06:34.45 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i am talking about the closed source drivers vs http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 06:35.00 | pinks | hooya: I've got sarge on a toshiba laptop - about as linux-unfriendly as you can get |
| 06:35.07 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: and using the closed source drivers helps nouveau in what way? |
| 06:35.20 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: when did i say that it did? |
| 06:35.27 | pinks | hooya: but it works now :) |
| 06:35.31 | hooya | i had a toshiba. that one worked pretty well for me actually. the wireless card was supported out of the box. |
| 06:35.38 | hooya | now i have a dell. |
| 06:35.50 | hooya | :( |
| 06:35.55 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: you've argued that using beryl with closed source drivers helps free software. |
| 06:36.14 | pinks | hooya: cool - I opt for toshiba 'cos I can drop it and it doesn't break ;-) |
| 06:36.16 | peterS | I don't think he argued that, I think he argued it helps _him_ because windows is hard to support |
| 06:36.33 | hooya | pinks: i'm not intending to find out ;) |
| 06:36.47 | pinks | hooya: Sarge has been good to me -- not perfect, but adequate |
| 06:36.54 | Guerin | peterS: i get vibes of `sporeading open source' off it, which is why I ESR'ed him |
| 06:36.59 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i would rather people use linux with one closed-source driver than use windows. i've said that at least three times, and i'm not sure which filter is keeping people from reading it. |
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| 06:37.50 | hooya | when did ESR become a verb? crap, am i using the right term here? never was good at grammer.. |
| 06:37.55 | peterS | Guerin: I think he's spreading open source only in the sense of spreading a system to his customers which he finds it more convenient to support than Windows. for that purpose, any Unix would do about equally well |
| 06:37.58 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: you also dismissed the fact that said closed source driver had a remote root for over six months as unimportant. |
| 06:38.11 | pinks | !tell hooya about ESR |
| 06:38.17 | Azar | hooya: since ESR-ism started popping up |
| 06:38.22 | Guerin | mm, perhaps right |
| 06:38.41 | EdLin | hooya: English verbifies nouns. |
| 06:39.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:39.01 | hooya | i knew of the ESR-isms but didn't realize it had been verbified |
| 06:39.06 | peterS | Guerin: well, I take that back - Debian is more convenient to admin than other Unix variants, which are themselves more convenient to admin than Windows. there _is_ a continuum here, not just windows/non-windows |
| 06:39.12 | Guerin | i just did now! |
| 06:39.12 | Azar | hooya: the sky is the limit |
| 06:39.38 | hooya | so there.. |
| 06:39.39 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:39.47 | Dacicus | lol |
| 06:39.52 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i said that compared to windows security it's probably both (a) not as big of a problem for home users, and (b) easier to fix |
| 06:39.53 | peterS | so uh, if I want to acquire an ESR mentality, does it require special drugs? if so, can I get an ESRx? |
| 06:40.26 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: its easier to fix by not running the closed source driver that doesn't get timely security updates. |
| 06:40.32 | Guerin | peterS: hah |
| 06:40.34 | Azar | eh the humanity needs once in a while an ESR around |
| 06:41.06 | peterS | the tree of software liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and ESR |
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| 06:41.16 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: that is one way, yes. i'm curious what you mean by "remote" root though |
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| 06:41.17 | pinks | EdLin: American verbifies nouns - not english ;-) |
| 06:41.30 | innu | hey. install syscp. All works except sending mail: Feb 8 00:17:15 debian imaplogin: /usr/lib/courier/courier/imaplogin: No such file or directory |
| 06:41.31 | peterS | pinks: uh, Guerin isn't American |
| 06:41.33 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: it can be exploited over the network |
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| 06:41.45 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: over which service? |
| 06:41.58 | Azar | speaking of drivers software they have been a menace from day one no matter what OS one is using. They are nothing more than quickies to satisfy the market demand |
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| 06:42.07 | pinks | peterS: I was talking to EdLin |
| 06:42.21 | peterS | yeah but Guerin is the one who verbified ESR |
| 06:42.36 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: I recall that it was a remote root, don't remember the details. Unless you have a URL that says otherwise, spare me the 40 questions rutine. |
| 06:42.39 | hooya | but i recognized it |
| 06:42.43 | hooya | :P |
| 06:42.58 | g333k_laptop | hi, I never set up something to shutdown my laptop when it is inactive but always that I go out when I come back I found it turn off, any clue? |
| 06:43.08 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: battery? |
| 06:44.05 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: okay fine you win, i hope people use windows |
| 06:44.17 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: because windows is an amazing os, and has no flaws |
| 06:44.20 | EdLin | !lose SerajewelKS |
| 06:44.20 | dpkg | SerajewelKS: You Lose. |
| 06:44.25 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I KNEW IT! |
| 06:44.29 | Guerin | <heh> |
| 06:44.41 | SerajewelKS | shrug, i take your implications the same way you take mine.. incorrectly |
| 06:44.44 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ok ballmer, you can renick now |
| 06:44.45 | pinks | g333k_laptop: depends on your BIOS maybe? |
| 06:45.03 | g333k_laptop | Guerin, noup it is plugged to the A/C |
| 06:45.05 | Azar | hahaha |
| 06:45.20 | g333k_laptop | pinks, I checked but theres no suspend action |
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| 06:45.44 | diskus | Is there any good bind (dns) supstide available? |
| 06:45.45 | SerajewelKS | interesting how this whole discussion became a mud-slinging fest |
| 06:45.46 | g333k_laptop | pinks, I dont have installed the gnome-power-manager just in case |
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| 06:45.50 | pinks | g333k_laptop: How's your battery? |
| 06:45.51 | Azar | g333k_laptop: maybe power management went weird? |
| 06:46.01 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i don't think it did. |
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| 06:46.19 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: I found out it is a remote root by googling "remote root nvidia" |
| 06:46.27 | pinks | g333k_laptop: maybe you need the gnome powermanagement |
| 06:46.32 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i am looking at similar pages |
| 06:46.39 | Guerin | nobody NEEDS the gnome powermanagement |
| 06:46.43 | innu | hey. install syscp. All works except sending mail: Feb 8 00:17:15 debian imaplogin: /usr/lib/courier/courier/imaplogin: No such file or directory |
| 06:46.43 | Azar | g333k_laptop: those "built-for-windows" laptops and PCs might have some auto power off setup somewhere |
| 06:46.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: what do you call 01:44 < Guerin> SerajewelKS: ok ballmer, you can renick now |
| 06:46.52 | pinks | g333k_laptop: I don't know what things default to without it ;-) |
| 06:46.57 | g333k_laptop | pinks, I uninstalled it because when it installed it was turning off |
| 06:46.57 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: OK, then your accusation was false. |
| 06:47.09 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: which one |
| 06:47.20 | g333k_laptop | Azar, I dont remeber my laptop doing that before |
| 06:47.28 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: oh, it's a joke.... unless you were serious about 19:44:09 < SerajewelKS> EdLin: okay fine you win, i hope people use windows |
| 06:47.42 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: that I was being fraudulent in saying it's remote. |
| 06:47.50 | pinks | Azar: that's usually in the BIOS |
| 06:47.52 | Azar | g333k_laptop: what can I say? might be the windows-based hardware conspiracy against linux |
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| 06:48.03 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: i never said you were incorrect |
| 06:48.12 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: you need to observe it. |
| 06:48.14 | Azar | pinks: that what I was thinking too.. but was afraid to say it |
| 06:48.15 | g333k_laptop | Azar, pinks, could be the heating? because now we are in summer and are around the 23C degrees |
| 06:48.20 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: nothing in teh logs? |
| 06:48.28 | Azar | lucky dog ya |
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| 06:48.36 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: once it gets above about 45, start worrying |
| 06:48.38 | g333k_laptop | Guerin, good idea, let me check |
| 06:48.59 | pinks | g333k_laptop: no - I'm in 30 C and no problems on my laptop |
| 06:49.07 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: at any rate, the mere access of the wrong web-page could exploit the nvidia vulnerability. |
| 06:49.18 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: you will note though that this exploit does not exist in any version of the driver that is required to use beryl |
| 06:49.33 | g333k_laptop | I cannot monitor my laptop temperature because lm-sensors doent support my motherboard |
| 06:49.33 | Azar | when the summer gets here, my room gets to 90F.... it is a hell hole |
| 06:49.35 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: yes, I'm sure Microsoft fixes some of their bugs too. |
| 06:50.02 | g333k_laptop | Azar, and your laptops suddenly turn off? |
| 06:50.08 | Guerin | pinks: it wasn't that hot today, was it? |
| 06:50.19 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: my original argument still stands |
| 06:50.23 | pinks | yep |
| 06:50.35 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: which was that running closed source makes no difference? |
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| 06:50.43 | Azar | g333k_laptop: I never used laptops: I heard they can burn my privates while keeping it on my lap |
| 06:50.53 | pinks | Guerin: where are you? |
| 06:50.53 | drwahl | I have an ATI Radeon 9600 All-In-Wonder. Would it be difficult to get beryl working on my system? |
| 06:50.59 | Guerin | pinks: Owhiro Bay |
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| 06:51.04 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: no it was not, and seeing as you aren't actually taking the time to read what i type, i'm not sure i want to continue this discussion |
| 06:51.24 | Guerin | ah, sweet |
| 06:51.59 | EdLin | !prize SerajewelKS |
| 06:52.00 | pinks | Guerin: my front room gets to over 30 in the mornings ;-) |
| 06:52.08 | Dewi | Shouldn't this conversation have ended back when Guerin noted that SerajewelKS and the others in the conversation had different priorities? |
| 06:52.35 | Guerin | Dewi: not necessarily ended, but it should have continued with that in mind. |
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| 06:53.14 | Dewi | Guerin: there's nothing worse than watching a fight going on where I cannot actually see any bone of contention |
| 06:53.32 | drwahl | Would it be difficult to get beryl working on my ATI Radeon 9600 All-In-Wonder? |
| 06:53.33 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: try being in one |
| 06:53.54 | Guerin | i think there was a bone of contention - just not the one which they ended going on about |
| 06:53.58 | g333k_laptop | Guerin, Azar pinks : I pasted some lines of my /var/log/syslog just the moment before it turn off, any clue? |
| 06:54.38 | Guerin | the bone was about the utility calculation, not about the specifics of the case |
| 06:54.53 | hooya | i might have played a part in starting that one.. :) |
| 06:54.54 | pinks | g333k_laptop: where? |
| 06:55.01 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: i can't seem to find it. |
| 06:55.28 | g333k_laptop | Guerin, pinks, Azar : http://pastebin.ca/345077 (I sorry I forgot to paste the link) |
| 06:55.48 | g333k_laptop | :$ |
| 06:55.50 | SerajewelKS | on another note, i find it interesting that both kqemu and virtualbox were GPL'd within the last few days |
| 06:56.10 | hooya | Azar: make sure you don't infringe on other copyrighted imaginations.. |
| 06:56.14 | SerajewelKS | something i've been waiting for for a long time... GPL virtualization |
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| 06:56.19 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: huh, funky |
| 06:56.37 | hooya | what were they under before? |
| 06:56.49 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: i don't see anything relevant there, except a buggy acpit. But I don't see a link between that and the restart, they're 8 minutes apart |
| 06:56.51 | SerajewelKS | hooya: kqemu was closed, i think virtualbox was too |
| 06:56.56 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: why did they get GPL'd? |
| 06:57.05 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: hell if i know |
| 06:57.05 | hooya | qemu? |
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| 06:57.11 | SerajewelKS | hooya: kqemu |
| 06:57.19 | hooya | what about qemu? |
| 06:57.29 | SerajewelKS | hooya: the kqemu kernel module is GPL now |
| 06:57.42 | Guerin | so only a year or so before it's in mainline |
| 06:57.53 | EdLin | SerajewelKS: probably because many distros were making it difficult to include or install non-free software, or people refused to run non-free software - so it got GPL'd. |
| 06:57.55 | Guerin | oh wait, they just included csome virtualisation in .20 |
| 06:57.59 | hooya | it's a kernel module? why? well i guess i already know why but .. |
| 06:58.08 | Guerin | EdLin: you think so? |
| 06:58.17 | SerajewelKS | EdLin: indeed, i wonder if the same thing will happen with nvidia </sarcasm> |
| 06:58.24 | Guerin | EdLin: i don't see much resistance to non-free stuff anywhere other than debian |
| 06:58.34 | Dewi | Guerin: openbsd ... |
| 06:58.43 | Azar | g333k_laptop: are you using Sid? |
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| 06:58.52 | Guerin | Dewi: right, but that's not really going to be running a linux kernel module |
| 06:58.56 | SerajewelKS | at any rate, virtualbox boots XP faster than both kqemu and vmware |
| 06:59.01 | EdLin | Guerin: Ubuntu has some barriers for non-kernel software, though they're jettisoning it. |
| 06:59.11 | Guerin | EdLin: yeah, not very strong barriers |
| 06:59.21 | g333k_laptop | Azar, etch |
| 06:59.34 | hooya | aight. good night folks.. |
| 06:59.39 | g333k_laptop | Guerin, how cna I find when it exactly was down? |
| 06:59.42 | Azar | I thought Etch is 4.0, your log shows 4.1 |
| 06:59.45 | SerajewelKS | there's an RFP up for vmware, i may very well bite |
| 06:59.49 | SerajewelKS | err |
| 06:59.51 | SerajewelKS | virtualbox rather |
| 06:59.56 | Azar | honorables which is 4.1? |
| 07:00.08 | EdLin | Guerin: well, "multiverse" isn't documented in /etc/apt/sources.list the last time I checked. |
| 07:00.25 | Azar | master Guerinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 07:00.27 | Guerin | EdLin: woo. |
| 07:00.38 | Guerin | Azar: control yourself, peasant! |
| 07:00.45 | EdLin | Guerin: well, neither is non-free in Debian. :-) |
| 07:00.46 | Azar | Guerin which is 4.1? |
| 07:00.50 | Guerin | EdLin: right. |
| 07:01.18 | Guerin | !confuse Azar |
| 07:01.19 | dpkg | No, how is my badger tomorrow, Azar? lederhosen of the democracy of tibet with extra ham |
| 07:01.28 | EdLin | Guerin: of course, Ubuntu has some automated tools for reversing that. |
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| 07:01.42 | Guerin | Azar: lenny is 4.1 |
| 07:01.45 | Dewi | ^^ that confuse factoid made more sense than anything any of you have said for 20 minutes |
| 07:01.54 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:01.55 | EdLin | !confuse Dewi |
| 07:01.55 | dpkg | Yes, them are my gouda yesterday, Dewi? wellies of the republic of tibet with extra cream |
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| 07:02.15 | Dewi | hooray! |
| 07:02.30 | Dewi | my world is a beautiful smooth sphere of certainty again. |
| 07:02.46 | Dewi | now, nobody talk about *licensing* |
| 07:03.00 | Guerin | how about them trademarks in ice* |
| 07:03.03 | SerajewelKS | i'm looking forward to when someone hacks a 3d proxy driver for virtualbox |
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| 07:03.40 | EdLin | Guerin: it wasn't really Debian's decision, a Mozilla Foundation lawyer decided Debian's firefox couldn't be called that. |
| 07:03.44 | Azar | heheheheheeee then g333k_laptop is using Lenny!!! congrats! |
| 07:03.45 | SerajewelKS | did i mention that virtualbox has GPL drivers that do roughly the same things that vmware tools does? |
| 07:03.50 | Guerin | EdLin: dude ... it's a joke |
| 07:03.56 | pinks | Azar: etch is 4.0 |
| 07:03.59 | SerajewelKS | such as host-integrated mouse |
| 07:04.06 | EdLin | Guerin: :-) |
| 07:04.12 | Dewi | EdLin: also, you wish it were that simple |
| 07:04.13 | g333k_laptop | Azar, ??? |
| 07:04.18 | Guerin | yeh |
| 07:04.26 | Azar | pinks: look at the very last lines of his paste |
| 07:04.32 | Guerin | the bugreport is about five beers long |
| 07:04.33 | pinks | g333k_laptop: I think you're using testing or maybe unstable :-) |
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| 07:04.45 | Dewi | Guerin: for me it had to be 5 vodkas |
| 07:04.49 | g333k_laptop | pinks, etch isnt it testing? |
| 07:04.51 | Azar | (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP |
| 07:05.09 | Guerin | Azar: that's a gcc version, dowg |
| 07:05.24 | EdLin | !win Azar |
| 07:05.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, Azar! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 07:05.29 | g333k_laptop | pinks, deb http://debian.cites.uiuc.edu/pub/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 07:05.29 | Azar | eh? Debian 4.1.1-20 ? |
| 07:05.31 | Guerin | nothing to do with the debian version |
| 07:05.43 | pinks | Ooops :-/ |
| 07:06.10 | Azar | maaannnn for once I thought I got it right |
| 07:06.12 | pinks | ok g333k_laptop - what are you using? |
| 07:06.16 | Guerin | someone put some more fish in that barrel, while I reload |
| 07:06.36 | g333k_laptop | pinks, testing |
| 07:06.43 | pinks | !fish |
| 07:06.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 07:07.12 | Dewi | ouch |
| 07:07.24 | Azar | well at least I can see where the entire problem starts on g333k_laptop's lappy: "GConf server is not in use, shutting down" |
| 07:07.32 | pinks | g333k_laptop: there's a clue in the name - don't expect it to work perfectly |
| 07:07.34 | Guerin | dpkg, fish is also give a man a supply of explosives and soon enough, there'll be no fish anywhere |
| 07:07.39 | Guerin | :( |
| 07:07.57 | g333k_laptop | pinks, isnt it testing frozen? |
| 07:08.18 | Dewi | why not make that factoid trigger on every line? |
| 07:08.20 | Dewi | then we can all go home |
| 07:08.20 | Azar | it is almost frozen with very few exceptions |
| 07:08.37 | pinks | g333k_laptop: not completely |
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| 07:08.47 | Dewi | Guerin: is it home time yet? |
| 07:08.51 | pinks | maybe you've found a bug |
| 07:08.59 | g333k_laptop | pinks, well it is suppose to have the less error day by day right? |
| 07:09.08 | pinks | beer-o'clock here :-) |
| 07:09.10 | g333k_laptop | pinks, maybe.. |
| 07:09.17 | enouf | !slaps |
| 07:09.17 | Guerin | Dewi: i've been home all day. All week, even. I'm writing a damn paper, but my brain hurts too much. |
| 07:09.27 | enouf | :-/ |
| 07:09.35 | Guerin | Dewi: it was due yesterday, i submitted a draft this morning at about 0300 |
| 07:09.45 | pinks | g333k_laptop: watch the beast do it's badness and report it |
| 07:10.09 | Azar | g333k_laptop: put your shoulder to the help for Etch and file the bug.... thanks to you and others Etch will get released with less bugs |
| 07:10.14 | pinks | g333k_laptop: and meantime - slot ina 2nd hdd and install sarge ;-) |
| 07:10.24 | Dewi | Guerin: I still have the occasional nightmare about thesis and that was 2002 |
| 07:10.41 | Dewi | Guerin: well, 2003 when I actually started writing it |
| 07:10.55 | Guerin | Dewi: the sick thing is that if I get this in by the 12th, they *might* let me do a proper thesis next - this - year |
| 07:11.07 | Azar | Guerin will do a great "wtf" stories writer |
| 07:11.17 | Guerin | Azar: wtf is a wtf story? |
| 07:11.18 | Azar | err "could" |
| 07:11.24 | pinks | !tell g333k_laptop about frozen |
| 07:11.30 | Azar | Guerin: don't know the wtf daily site? |
| 07:11.42 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:11.52 | SerajewelKS | Azar: you mean the daily wtf :) |
| 07:11.55 | Dewi | Guerin: I'd say that I'm glad it's all behind me, except I'm not sure I am... I've got an inbox full of very boring work and as you can see I'm watching people argue on IRC. |
| 07:11.59 | Guerin | yeah, but since i can't program my way out of the proverbial paper bag, I don't read it much |
| 07:12.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:12.12 | Azar | err yes: http://thedailywtf.com/ |
| 07:12.25 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: we finished arguing some time ago dude |
| 07:12.46 | Dewi | SerajewelKS: No you didn't! |
| 07:12.49 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: submit some! |
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| 07:12.59 | Azar | Dewi: please!! |
| 07:13.06 | SerajewelKS | Dewi: i don't argue, ever! |
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| 07:14.15 | g333k_laptop | Ok , I will report the gconf bug |
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| 07:16.46 | pinks | !give beer to g333k_laptop |
| 07:16.47 | scx | !giveme too |
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| 07:18.38 | Dewi | !give concentration-enhancing-beer to Dewi |
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| 07:21.23 | scv | wtf? |
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| 07:26.32 | slopez | hi, i wanted to know how i can install apache2 on debain etch (not apache2.2) |
| 07:26.58 | slopez | *debian |
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| 07:33.49 | puff | So, I went to upgrade my apache2 to php5, and got these warnings.... http://pastebin.com/878064 |
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| 07:38.08 | SerajewelKS | puff: do you have a question? |
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| 07:38.56 | Ainslee | hi, i'm trying to set the proper time on my debian server, not sure how to do it. it's showing as 5:43 pm but should be 6:38 pm |
| 07:39.11 | Guerin | Ainslee: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 07:39.34 | Guerin | puff: bugs.debian.org/<bugnumber> |
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| 07:46.40 | puff | SerajewelKS: Did you look at the pastebin URL? |
| 07:47.23 | Guerin | puff: what did you *actually* want to ask? |
| 07:47.35 | puff | Guerin: The fairly obvious implied question: "Now What"? |
| 07:47.37 | puff | Is this fixed and I'm just not using the right apt sources? |
| 07:47.40 | Guerin | puff: just ignoring for a moment the fact that I already told you what to do. |
| 07:47.41 | puff | Or is it due to be fixed? |
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| 07:47.52 | Guerin | puff: bugs.debian.org/<bugnumber> |
| 07:47.59 | Guerin | see for yourself |
| 07:48.32 | puff | Yeah, reading it. |
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| 07:49.40 | puff | Looks like the same bug report I read before. Says its done, but it's apparently not in stable yet. |
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| 07:51.17 | vaq | Hello, i have to SNAT rules one SNAT rule who NAT's all 10.24.0.0/21 traffic to the outgoing WAN_DEV and then i have another rule who NAT's all 10.24.10.0/24 traffic to a source destination, however if i comment out the last SNAT rule traffic from 10.24.10.0/24 still get's NATTET. The two rules are at: http://www.pastebin.ca/345101 - Any ideas on how to fix this? |
| 07:51.32 | Guerin | vaq: #iptables or #netfilter |
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| 07:55.35 | puff | Guerin: So, back to my question, "now what"? Is it really fixed, or am I misreading the bug page? If it's really fixed, is the fix going to ever make it back into stable, or am I going to have to wait until etch, which has no specified release date? |
| 07:55.39 | lanchow | what is the correct syntax for date -d ? |
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| 07:55.52 | mhiku | which is better to install for tgetent? ncurses curses termlib termcap terminfo ?? which one is newer? |
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| 07:56.24 | Guerin | puff: it's fixed in whatever version is mentioned in the `done' message of the bugreport. Prior to that, it ain't. |
| 07:56.47 | Guerin | mhiku: if you have to ask, use the default. |
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| 07:58.50 | Guerin | lanchow: date -d "YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS.CC" |
| 07:58.55 | Guerin | if i recall correctly |
| 07:59.18 | karsten | Guerin: It will actually grok quite a range of formats, though that's a good one to try. |
| 07:59.20 | lanchow | Guerin, yep, thank you |
| 07:59.21 | puff | Guerin: It doesn't appear to say any version in the "done" message, which just says "Done: Adam Conrad <adconrad@0c3.net>. |
| 07:59.26 | Guerin | oh, cool |
| 07:59.43 | puff | Guerin: The final message in the bug report says: You want 5.1.6-4. |
| 07:59.54 | Guerin | there's your answer |
| 08:00.00 | karsten | Guerin: The info pages have the down and dirty somewhere, nowhere reasonable to access. |
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| 08:00.04 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:00.29 | Guerin | istr that a nondelineated string like 2007010200364952 didn't work |
| 08:00.37 | puff | Guerin: Where is that version # (5.1.6-4) supposed to be specified? "sudo aptitude search php5" doesn't list a "php5.1.6-4". |
| 08:00.40 | Guerin | which pissed me off for some reason |
| 08:00.55 | Guerin | puff: aptitude policy php5 will show the version |
| 08:01.11 | Guerin | or apt-cache policy |
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| 08:03.13 | puff | Guerin: Okay, says Candidate: 5.2.0-8~bpo.2, so presuambly it's fixed... but then why is it reporting the errors when I try to install it? |
| 08:03.13 | Paddy_EIRE | hey guys windows disappeared from grub how can I fix this |
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| 08:03.13 | schultzconsult | Hi, I'm trying to install debian etch on a system with a ali sata raid controller, but debian only sees the seperart drives |
| 08:03.13 | karsten | Looks as if Debian's testing tzdata package should have US TZ / DST changes as of 2006p-1 |
| 08:03.13 | karsten | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=410146 |
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| 08:03.31 | rahul | schultzconsult: linux already supports software raid |
| 08:03.34 | schultzconsult | Do I need to have seperart drivers to support the raid part |
| 08:03.59 | Paddy_EIRE | !windows |
| 08:04.00 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 08:04.01 | dimir | Good morning! |
| 08:04.01 | schultzconsult | rahul: I know, but I would like to try out the hardware raid support build in |
| 08:04.06 | rahul | schultzconsult: no, you're not using windows. just use software raid |
| 08:04.10 | Paddy_EIRE | cool |
| 08:04.14 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Add a chainloader stanza, digging up a sample |
| 08:04.15 | rahul | schultzconsult: then you'd need to buy a hardware raid controller |
| 08:04.40 | schultzconsult | so the build in "raid" controller on most motherboards is not real raid? |
| 08:04.44 | rahul | right |
| 08:04.57 | rahul | it's just a way to configure software raid in the bios |
| 08:04.57 | schultzconsult | okay... stupid |
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| 08:05.02 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Multiboot-with-GRUB.html |
| 08:05.11 | Paddy_EIRE | karsten: thx mate |
| 08:05.14 | man_in_ltop | where are iptables rules stored? |
| 08:05.16 | schultzconsult | then I'll do like I have done for years |
| 08:05.19 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: No problems, mate. |
| 08:05.27 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: wherever you store 'em |
| 08:05.44 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: mine live in /usr/local/sbin/iptables.sh |
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| 08:06.19 | man_in_ltop | when i run ifup/ifdown, something loads iptables rules |
| 08:06.46 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: look in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:06.52 | rahul | man_in_ltop: in the kernel's memory space |
| 08:06.52 | man_in_ltop | ah hang on |
| 08:07.05 | karsten | So, every time I run 'aptitude update' it hangs with the line: 99% [34 Sources bzip2 0] |
| 08:07.09 | karsten | How might I fix that? |
| 08:07.13 | man_in_ltop | guarddog has put scripts in /etc/network/*.d |
| 08:07.54 | Dewi | We sure know how to have fun in here. |
| 08:07.57 | karsten | rahul: Remember, at work, it's "for shins'n'grits. |
| 08:07.59 | karsten | " |
| 08:08.18 | puff | Guerin: Okay, says Candidate: 5.2.0-8~bpo.2, so presuambly it's fixed... but then why is it reporting the errors when I try to install it? |
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| 08:09.32 | vchrizz | aptitude install pure-ftpd-mysql wants to install v 1.0.21-8 but apt-get source gives me source for v 1.0.21-7 ... whats wrong? i did aptitude update and apt-get update |
| 08:10.14 | man_in_ltop | ok, problem fixed :) |
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| 08:11.43 | man_in_ltop | how do you do dns servers in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:12.20 | Tallu | man_in_ltop: do them in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 08:12.31 | dondelelcaro | man_in_ltop: with resolvconf and dns-nameservers |
| 08:12.33 | Tallu | man_in_ltop: or do you have a reason not to |
| 08:12.37 | Dewi | man_in_ltop: are you using resolvconf? |
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| 08:12.51 | man_in_ltop | yes i'm using resolvconf |
| 08:13.45 | Dewi | man_in_ltop: try a 'dns-nameservers' setting |
| 08:14.06 | man_in_ltop | where should i put it? |
| 08:14.09 | Guerin | puff: those aren't errors, they're warnings, which you heeded by reading the bug report. |
| 08:14.18 | Guerin | puff: good job, the system is working :) |
| 08:14.36 | dondelelcaro | man_in_ltop: yeah, so you use dns-namservers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:14.36 | Dewi | man_in_ltop: with all the other settings for the interface in question |
| 08:14.39 | puff | Guerin: Ah, I see, so you could have answered my original question with "it's reporting bugs which are fixed" |
| 08:14.39 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: man interfaces |
| 08:14.51 | Guerin | puff: i had no way of knowing they were fixed. |
| 08:14.52 | man_in_ltop | Guerin, i didn't see anything about dns there |
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| 08:15.47 | Guerin | huh, weird |
| 08:15.50 | dondelelcaro | man_in_ltop: it's actually documented in /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz |
| 08:15.51 | Guerin | i swear it used to be in there |
| 08:15.58 | karsten | apt-get also hangs. |
| 08:16.01 | dondelelcaro | (it really should be documented in man 8 resolvconf, though) |
| 08:16.09 | karsten | Get:130 2007-02-07-2007.43.pdiff [3163B] |
| 08:16.19 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: sigh. I never think to look there. I know I should, but... |
| 08:16.24 | karsten | Then: 99% [47 Sources bzip2 0] |
| 08:16.28 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: thus I hate it when things are only documented there |
| 08:16.36 | man_in_ltop | don_inlab, thanks |
| 08:16.54 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: even a google search for "network interfaces dns-nameservers" only brings up forums and stuff |
| 08:17.12 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yeah, I only know it myself because I've filed bugs on resolvconf |
| 08:17.34 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so do I, but I'm pretty sure the knowledge just keeps getting passed onthrough this channel and not via docs :P |
| 08:17.52 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yeah, someone should file a wishlist bug against resolvconf with documentation on it |
| 08:17.56 | arjun | hi! could someone tell me when etch is going to be released? |
| 08:18.02 | dondelelcaro | !wwer |
| 08:18.02 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 08:18.06 | Tallu | arjun: when its ready. |
| 08:18.12 | haggz | dewi: i've noticed that the Google ranking algorithms tend to make technical docs above the head of the average user very hard to find, because truly detailed tech information doesn't get many links or hits |
| 08:18.35 | arjun | Tallu: so there isnt really a fixed date |
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| 08:18.38 | Dewi | arjun: unfortunately new bugs seem to be opening up a fair bit at the moment so the count hasn't dropped a lot in a while |
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| 08:18.45 | Tallu | arjun: no, there are still release critical bugs |
| 08:18.48 | sep | arjun, there never is. |
| 08:18.53 | enouf | karsten: for shitsandgiggles try a different mirror (comment out the priors) |
| 08:19.20 | Gnea | arjun: fixed release dates are unrealistic and produce more problems than they're worth. |
| 08:19.24 | rahul | arjun: when we know when it's going to be released, it's already released |
| 08:19.27 | Dewi | arjun: to be honest the best thing to stare at is this graph: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 08:19.36 | Dewi | maybe somebody should add that graph to the factoid or something |
| 08:19.43 | arjun | Dewi: oh! nice :) |
| 08:20.10 | karsten | enouf: This happens after 130 pdiffs are d/l'd |
| 08:20.18 | Dewi | arjun: yeah. it makes me feel better. in fact I find graphs like that slightly... arousing. |
| 08:20.22 | karsten | enouf: ... mostly using http.us.debian.org/ |
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| 08:21.13 | arjun | Gnea: guess you are right. I havent used debian actually. only ubuntu, and i now see the problem with fixed dates. |
| 08:21.32 | enouf | karsten: not sure, though I've seen it myself,..maybe even temp move your /var/lib/apt/lists to lists.old or /lists/old .. then try again |
| 08:21.36 | arjun | but im going to shift to debian for good, very soon :) |
| 08:21.49 | rahul | why is a "-su" process taking 35MB? |
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| 08:22.11 | Gnea | !er |
| 08:22.11 | dpkg | well, er is Eritrea Etch Release, which is unknown at this time, and will only be known once it is actually released, since release dates only cause more problems than they solve. In the meantime, you can see the current progress here: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 08:22.52 | karsten | Weird. Commented that. Ran aptitude update. Worked. Uncommented. Still worked. |
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| 08:23.09 | Paddy_EIRE | I am about to install winxp on the same drive as debian and I want to prepare for the loss of the boot loader how can I do this |
| 08:23.27 | Paddy_EIRE | as in best course of action |
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| 08:23.54 | arjun | Paddy_EIRE: reinstall grub after windows removes it. |
| 08:23.56 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Have an emergency boot disk of some description. |
| 08:24.02 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: knoppix is useful. |
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| 08:24.15 | Paddy_EIRE | karsten: i have ubuntu edgy |
| 08:24.16 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: ... as is your debian install disk. |
| 08:24.31 | enouf | karsten: I do a lot of commenting/uncommenting in sources.list whenever there are issues like that ;-) |
| 08:24.31 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Sure. Um. You're in ubuntu or debian here? |
| 08:24.33 | haggz | Paddy_EIRE: you can use dd to make a backup copy of your mbr |
| 08:24.37 | karsten | enouf: Feh. |
| 08:24.42 | rahul | ubuntu edgy is a BAD idea. |
| 08:24.49 | dondelelcaro | karsten: there was a bug a while ago with missing keys causing that problem; if you remove the Packages.gz and Release files from /var/lib/apt/lists/ it started working again |
| 08:24.50 | Paddy_EIRE | no debian disk used I did the goodbye microsoft install |
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| 08:24.58 | arjun | haggz: wow! i didnt know that. |
| 08:24.58 | Paddy_EIRE | then messed windows partition |
| 08:24.59 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Interesting. |
| 08:25.03 | Guerin | Paddy_EIRE: how'd that work out for you? |
| 08:25.14 | Paddy_EIRE | Guerin: great |
| 08:25.16 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I may have just accomplished that then. |
| 08:25.20 | Guerin | nice |
| 08:25.26 | Paddy_EIRE | except for my silly windows loss |
| 08:25.34 | dondelelcaro | karsten: yeah, if you comment it out, run apt-get update; then uncomment it, it should have the same effect. |
| 08:25.36 | enouf | karsten: been hearing some complain about the debian-multimedia site having issues as of late (not sure how true) .. even one complained it was "taken down" about a week ago |
| 08:25.36 | Guerin | not YOUR loss |
| 08:25.41 | Paddy_EIRE | yeah |
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| 08:26.18 | enouf | karsten: I found the claim unfounded .. didn't hang around long enough to find out the resolution |
| 08:26.18 | Paddy_EIRE | karsten: will the ubuntu cd do |
| 08:26.31 | rahul | Paddy_EIRE: how would we know? |
| 08:26.39 | rahul | we've never seen an ubuntu cd. |
| 08:26.54 | EdLin | !ubuntu |
| 08:26.55 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 08:26.59 | Paddy_EIRE | rahul: your speakin for everyone |
| 08:27.06 | rahul | Paddy_EIRE: yes, I am |
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| 08:27.17 | Paddy_EIRE | no probs mate ;) |
| 08:27.21 | rahul | if we used ubuntu, why would we be here? |
| 08:27.37 | Paddy_EIRE | rahul: you missed the question so keep out |
| 08:27.41 | Guerin | ooo |
| 08:27.44 | Paddy_EIRE | lol |
| 08:27.47 | rahul | we might as well be in #redhat because we use debian |
| 08:28.01 | EdLin | Paddy_EIRE: it isn't as if there isn't an #ubuntu channel. |
| 08:28.26 | Paddy_EIRE | i will be sent back here as the prob is a debian one |
| 08:28.40 | EdLin | Paddy_EIRE: then try ##linux |
| 08:28.45 | rahul | what does debian have to do with windows or ubuntu? |
| 08:28.46 | Paddy_EIRE | although my only rescue resource is a ubuntu live cd, idiots |
| 08:29.25 | EdLin | Paddy_EIRE: then go to #ubuntu to ask about that resource. |
| 08:31.26 | vchrizz | aptitude install pure-ftpd-mysql wants to install v 1.0.21-8 but apt-get source gives me source for v 1.0.21-7 ... whats wrong? i did aptitude update and apt-get update |
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| 08:32.04 | rahul | vchrizz: different apt policies for source and binary |
| 08:32.07 | enouf | binaries are built from source pkgs AFAIK |
| 08:32.25 | enouf | nm |
| 08:32.34 | rahul | vchrizz: maybe you're missing an unstable source repo, too |
| 08:32.44 | Paddy_EIRE | how can i tell which version of grub i am currently using |
| 08:33.01 | enouf | dpkg -l gtub |
| 08:33.01 | dpkg | No packages found matching gtub |
| 08:33.11 | rahul | dpkg -l bash |
| 08:33.11 | dpkg | No packages found matching bash |
| 08:33.15 | rahul | hmm |
| 08:33.21 | rahul | dpkg -i bash |
| 08:33.21 | enouf | ... |
| 08:33.25 | EdLin | Paddy_EIRE: apt-cache policy grub |
| 08:33.26 | cydork | heh |
| 08:33.33 | Paddy_EIRE | EdLin: nice one |
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| 08:33.39 | enouf | wtf is a Gtub? |
| 08:33.46 | rahul | gnu tub |
| 08:33.49 | Zap-W | netinst means from network right? why does it ask for a cdrom |
| 08:33.52 | Zap-W | why can't it look for the debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso from the hD? |
| 08:33.53 | EdLin | enouf: tub girl |
| 08:33.58 | rahul | heh |
| 08:34.03 | enouf | heh .. 0H n03Z! |
| 08:34.05 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Should. It's Linux, it's got a shell, hell, I think it's a liveCD, which is a good way to go. |
| 08:34.14 | rahul | Zap-W: because you need to boot somehow |
| 08:34.15 | valdyn | Zap-W: chicken and egg problem |
| 08:34.25 | rahul | Zap-W: you don't need the iso if you can already boot the installer |
| 08:34.51 | abhinay | how to install mencoder in debian ? |
| 08:34.56 | rahul | abhinay: install mplayer |
| 08:34.57 | karsten | rahul: Take it easy. He's running Debian. He's configuring GRUB to dual boot Windows, he's got an ubuntu install disk as a recovery system. I'm OK with that. |
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| 08:34.59 | Miesco | What does gnome use to discover my ipod when I plug it in? |
| 08:35.01 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 08:35.02 | Paddy_EIRE | karsten: nice one, I also have a knoppix cd here somewhere which is more or less debian anyway |
| 08:35.02 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 08:35.19 | abhinay | rahul: even i didn't get it |
| 08:35.22 | valdyn | abhinay: apt-get install mencoder |
| 08:35.41 | karsten | Paddy_EIRE: Well. Don't say "it's Debian" here, unless it is, 'coz folks get cranked up. However Knoppix / Ubuntu install / DSL make very good rescue disks. |
| 08:35.52 | rahul | it's a separate package now? |
| 08:35.52 | Paddy_EIRE | ok |
| 08:35.52 | abhinay | valdyn: E: Couldn't find package mencoder |
| 08:36.00 | valdyn | abhinay: see what dpkg said |
| 08:36.11 | Zap-W | ?! |
| 08:36.14 | karsten | !tell abhinay about search |
| 08:36.17 | rahul | oh, there is no mencoder in the debian mplayer package |
| 08:36.19 | Zap-W | rahul: i am booting using grub |
| 08:36.32 | enouf | Paddy_EIRE: http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm dual boot with XPoop explained |
| 08:36.36 | rahul | Zap-W: how do oyu have grub? |
| 08:36.38 | Zap-W | rahul: i extracted the vmlinuz and initrd files fromt he iso |
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| 08:36.41 | enouf | or any other crapola |
| 08:36.45 | Paddy_EIRE | enouf: thx |
| 08:36.51 | rahul | Zap-W: do a chroot install, maybe |
| 08:36.54 | karsten | abhinay: It's at debian-multimedia.org |
| 08:37.08 | p3er | Failed to fetch http://debian.secsup.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 302 Found [IP: 208.209.50.16 80] |
| 08:37.08 | p3er | Failed to fetch http://debian.secsup.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/source/Sources.gz 302 Found [IP: 208.209.50.16 80] |
| 08:37.08 | p3er | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 08:37.10 | karsten | !tell abhinay about marillat |
| 08:37.10 | rahul | Zap-W: I guess you already have a linux install on that machine |
| 08:37.19 | p3er | what's wrong with this thing? |
| 08:37.35 | Zap-W | rahul: and? |
| 08:37.37 | karsten | p3er: Try adifferent mirror. |
| 08:37.38 | abhinay | ok |
| 08:37.53 | karsten | Oh wait. That's security, right? |
| 08:37.55 | p3er | karsten, i did, ive been trying diff mirrors all day |
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| 08:38.02 | p3er | i get the same fuckin error |
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| 08:38.13 | kim0 | Hi, any ideas how to use quota per directory ? |
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| 08:38.25 | Guerin | kim0: here's an idea: documentation. |
| 08:38.31 | abhinay | the link from the xchat opens in epiphany by default how can i change it to firefox ? |
| 08:38.52 | karsten | p3er: Where are you? |
| 08:38.55 | kim0 | Guerin: ! basic quota is only per user or group, that's why I was seeking help! |
| 08:38.58 | tuvwx | wow.. xfce is like 10x faster than gnome! |
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| 08:39.13 | Zap-W | rahul: i need the correct initrd file that will look on mounted dir for the iso for doing a netinst apperently vmlinuz and initrd alone isnt enouth |
| 08:39.13 | Paddy_EIRE | abhinay: Desktop > Preferences > Prefered Apps |
| 08:39.20 | Zap-W | or is it |
| 08:39.21 | karsten | p3er: Try http://http.us.debian.org/ |
| 08:39.30 | karsten | p3er: Round-robins among primary mirrors. |
| 08:39.30 | Miesco | What filesystem does my ipod use? |
| 08:39.39 | karsten | Miesco: ask it. |
| 08:39.49 | karsten | ... but not much. |
| 08:39.52 | rahul | Zap-W: just chroot and debootstrap |
| 08:39.58 | rahul | or is it dbootstrap |
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| 08:40.02 | karsten | tuvwx: yeah, xfce's light and fast. |
| 08:40.08 | karsten | rahul: debootstrap |
| 08:40.10 | abhinay | Paddy_EIRE: no , i changed it to firefox |
| 08:40.16 | abhinay | Paddy_EIRE: i didn't get it |
| 08:40.42 | karsten | Miesco: hfs+, I think, per Google. |
| 08:40.42 | markybob | can someone suggest a good ssl accelerator to use in debian? all the ones i see (like sun's crypto accelerator)have closed binary drivers that only work with redhat stock kernels. |
| 08:41.06 | Paddy_EIRE | abhinay: not to sure |
| 08:41.14 | karsten | Miesco: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9266 |
| 08:41.23 | Miesco | I used vfat and it mounted on sdb2 |
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| 08:41.41 | karsten | Miesco: Careful. |
| 08:42.03 | karsten | Miesco: http://pag.csail.mit.edu/~adonovan/hacks/ipod.html |
| 08:42.32 | p3er | !pastebin |
| 08:42.33 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 08:43.09 | tuvwx | Miesco, it could be vfat or hfs, depends on how you initialized it: windows or mac |
| 08:43.32 | Miesco | I think its windows, it says on my ipod its windows |
| 08:43.33 | markybob | rahul, c'mon, man. no smart-ass remark to my question? who are you and what have you dont with rahul? |
| 08:43.38 | p3er | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5304 |
| 08:43.42 | markybob | s/dont/done |
| 08:43.51 | tuvwx | karsten, yeah.. and i still have half my ram available :) |
| 08:44.17 | p3er | karsten, and this is how my sources.list look like: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5305 |
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| 08:44.25 | tuvwx | Miesco, the ipod works with both. it doesn't say which. it's you who uses either windows or mac |
| 08:44.48 | Miesco | tuvwx: I use linux :) |
| 08:45.00 | scv | tuvwx, how much is your ram? |
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| 08:45.24 | tuvwx | Miesco, that's no good. it has to be initialized by either windows or mac. all ipod managers for linux will tell you that |
| 08:45.29 | tuvwx | scv, 512 |
| 08:46.02 | scv | tuvwx, 512MB is a joke now |
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| 08:46.15 | Miesco | tuvwx: My ipod never been near windows or mac |
| 08:46.20 | tuvwx | scv, that's why i'm looking for a light desktop like xfce |
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| 08:46.39 | tuvwx | Miesco, good for him ;) |
| 08:47.01 | Miesco | tuvwx: Oh wait I see what your saying, yea I think its windows |
| 08:47.06 | scv | tuvwx, does your mobo only can support 1.5GB ram? |
| 08:47.26 | scv | 512Mx3? |
| 08:47.29 | Zap-W | btw what is .udeb |
| 08:47.34 | tuvwx | scv, it's a laptop.. not sure of the limit, but i guess it's more than that |
| 08:47.36 | karsten | p3er: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 08:47.46 | karsten | p3er: You're missing the "/debian/" bit. |
| 08:47.50 | streuner | Zap-W: /msg dpkg udeb |
| 08:48.06 | scv | tuvwx, 1GBx2 max? |
| 08:48.13 | karsten | p3er: Erm. Final slash. |
| 08:48.21 | tuvwx | scv, probably.. not sure really |
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| 08:48.59 | tuvwx | scv, i'm planning to upgrade my other laptop's memory, once i get my hands on some money |
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| 08:49.14 | tuvwx | scv, it's a 512er too |
| 08:49.34 | karsten | p3er: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5306 |
| 08:49.35 | Miesco | Is root suppost to own /media/ipod? |
| 08:49.45 | karsten | !vfatrw |
| 08:49.45 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 08:49.46 | scv | tuvwx, you might replace the old 256Mx2 dimm |
| 08:49.52 | karsten | Miesco: ^^ |
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| 08:50.36 | Miesco | Okay |
| 08:50.45 | scv | tuvwx, s/dimm/"so dimm" |
| 08:51.16 | Barre | Hello, if I want to concatinate several disks and create a md device using mdadm, is that the --level=linear option? |
| 08:51.27 | p3er | karsten, why etch? |
| 08:51.32 | p3er | im on sarge |
| 08:51.50 | karsten | p3er: Season to taste. |
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| 08:52.33 | p3er | i mean what am i missing? |
| 08:52.45 | Miesco | Great its working :) |
| 08:53.07 | karsten | p3er: The '/' following "debian" |
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| 08:53.31 | p3er | i just added it and updated it, still got the same error |
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| 08:54.05 | karsten | p3er: Try commenting all but one source line, run, see if you get the error. If so, examine that line. If not, add another. |
| 08:54.09 | karsten | p3er: Rinse, wash, repeat. |
| 08:54.39 | p3er | k |
| 08:54.54 | p3er | the first two lines aren't the problem |
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| 09:00.38 | Quintin | !doesn't work |
| 09:00.38 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 09:02.27 | enouf | Barre: http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~neilb/source/mdadm/ see Announce et al |
| 09:02.44 | va | hi to all ..i want to install debian from my local mirror..how to |
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| 09:02.46 | gypsymauro | hello |
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| 09:03.33 | sep | va, use the netinstall cd, and specify your own mirror when it asked which one to use |
| 09:03.43 | gypsymauro | I've to rename a lot of files like foo0000(n).txt to bar0000(n).txt there is an utility to do that? |
| 09:03.58 | va | sep:i used but..it is giving error |
| 09:04.28 | enouf | Barre: and naturally the Changelog as well |
| 09:04.28 | scv | gypsymauro, heheh |
| 09:04.28 | cydork | gypsymauro: rename |
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| 09:05.05 | va | sep:warning given as vad d-i packages |
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| 09:05.20 | va | sep:bad d-i packages |
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| 09:05.30 | ice63 | ok i apt-get install debian-archive-ketring and apt-get update and still get no gpg error how can i fix this ? |
| 09:06.02 | Guerin | !apt-key SFJKUSYB |
| 09:06.02 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys SFJKUSYB ; gpg --export SFJKUSYB | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 09:07.04 | mhiku | this is my error, i dont know the default, can i have an example how to do CPPFLAGS during compile? |
| 09:07.08 | ice63 | Guerin: ok ty |
| 09:07.26 | Barre | enouf: thanks.. I've found the answer on a blog though.. when creating a concatinated md you use the --level=linear option. |
| 09:07.33 | abhinay | I'm not getting correct telugu rendering |
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| 09:07.45 | Quintin | !think |
| 09:07.45 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 09:08.35 | Guerin | !know |
| 09:08.36 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 09:09.11 | cydork | now that one is better :) |
| 09:09.15 | karsten | Think or thwim! |
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| 09:10.29 | va | dpkg:i am trying to network installation but i am selecting local mirror..but it is not getting installed |
| 09:10.29 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, va |
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| 09:11.06 | sep | va, i think the best youcan do is read the install guide |
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| 09:12.03 | gypsymauro | scv: tanx:) |
| 09:12.04 | va | dpkg:i read..it is installing through debian remote repository but not from my local repo |
| 09:12.04 | dpkg | va: what are you talking about? |
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| 09:12.45 | va | dpkg:i am trying to install OS using my local mirror |
| 09:13.22 | va | dpkg:i am using netboot image for that.. |
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| 09:14.24 | sep | va, dpkg is a bot. it replies to simple commands like !hi, you can't talk to it like that |
| 09:14.28 | sep | !test |
| 09:14.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:14.40 | Guerin | va: you need to boot into expert mode to select your own mirror |
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| 09:14.53 | Guerin | in ordinary mode you get only the mirrors debian says you get |
| 09:15.46 | va | in expert mode also it is giving warning as bad d-i packages |
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| 09:16.05 | va | and error is server returned error 404:; |
| 09:16.19 | va | 404 not found |
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| 09:16.32 | scv | va, what site? |
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| 09:16.54 | va | http://bosslinux.in |
| 09:17.08 | scv | a spam domain? |
| 09:17.09 | va | bosslinux.in |
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| 09:17.21 | storm | Is it possible to schedule my computer to boot at a certain time? |
| 09:17.22 | scv | where is .in? |
| 09:17.37 | scv | storm, in bios? |
| 09:17.53 | mhiku | how to use LDFLAGS? |
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| 09:18.03 | storm | scv: Hmm, I'm not sure mine can, but I'll check in a bit |
| 09:18.14 | scv | oh |
| 09:18.19 | va | scv:bosslinux.in |
| 09:18.30 | enouf | !spaces |
| 09:18.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, spaces is what you put between words, or what real men use for indentation |
| 09:18.31 | Guerin | va: 404 means that you gave the wrong path |
| 09:18.35 | scv | va, is that site safe? |
| 09:18.44 | Guerin | va: or the installer can't find the required file(s) |
| 09:18.45 | va | s |
| 09:18.56 | Guerin | scv: he claims its his own |
| 09:18.59 | scv | :\ |
| 09:19.15 | Guerin | scv: and what makes you think it's a spam site? |
| 09:19.25 | scv | looks like |
| 09:19.33 | Guerin | i swear, if you say `it's in asia' i will lart you fiercely |
| 09:19.36 | scv | by the url |
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| 09:19.48 | Guerin | !punish scv for being a fucking internet bigot |
| 09:19.54 | va | guerin:i said s for site is that site safe? |
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| 09:20.00 | scv | -_- |
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| 09:20.24 | Guerin | va: wth does `s' mean in this case? |
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| 09:20.49 | ice63 | Guerin: what's up there ...is not a key id (SFJKUSYB) HMM |
| 09:21.06 | Guerin | ice63: no, i made up a random string of numbers. Use the id for the actual key |
| 09:21.12 | Guerin | s/numbers/letters/ |
| 09:21.14 | pinks | scv: it works for me (tm) |
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| 09:22.37 | ice63 | Guerin: well that's what i can not get is the key i need the key |
| 09:22.55 | Guerin | ice63: the error should tell you the key |
| 09:23.19 | ice63 | Guerin: no |
| 09:23.43 | ice63 | is this a Game ? |
| 09:23.49 | va | guerin:is any change require in local repository to network installation |
| 09:23.57 | enouf | !shoot ice63 |
| 09:23.58 | Guerin | !no public key |
| 09:23.59 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
| 09:24.22 | Guerin | ice63: please don't tell me that solved your problem. |
| 09:24.48 | Guerin | hm, any friendly op want to put a warning about the 5% bug in rc1 d-i into the topic? |
| 09:25.24 | Guerin | i mean, I know you're going for the record of how long the topic stays unchanged, but it has to change SOME time |
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| 09:26.18 | ice63 | Guerin: that did not help :( |
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| 09:26.29 | Zap-W | what is /dev/ide/something..lun0 devices that debian-installer creates? why dosent it use regular /dev/hd* |
| 09:26.44 | Guerin | ice63: you asked about etch key, 2006 key and 2007 key? |
| 09:27.00 | ice63 | Guerin: all i need is the key that it .. |
| 09:27.11 | Guerin | yes |
| 09:27.14 | Guerin | but I don't know it |
| 09:27.18 | ice63 | and i can add it |
| 09:27.20 | Guerin | and can't be arsed going to look for it |
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| 09:28.45 | ice63 | start at 1 get to 9 and go back to 1 |
| 09:28.49 | gabri | Hi all |
| 09:28.55 | ice63 | hmm |
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| 09:29.22 | gabri | how i can download a qt4 version 4.0.1? |
| 09:29.40 | Guerin | gabri: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:30.06 | Rydekull | Right, question. I have a chance her on a large company to prod away redhat/fedora. However, to please the customer I must use the best way, similiar to a "anaconda-ks" file. I've been pondering about FAI but it isnt even close to as easy as a anaconda-ks file, even though I prefer FAI myself. |
| 09:30.13 | gabri | mm Guerin in the apt the version is 4.2.0 |
| 09:30.15 | Rydekull | any suggestions on a similiar way+ |
| 09:30.18 | Rydekull | ?* |
| 09:30.28 | scv | ?? |
| 09:30.31 | Zap-W | does debian-installer use devfs? |
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| 09:30.48 | gabri | Guerin: http://rafb.net/p/WeqtOr17.html |
| 09:30.58 | Guerin | gabri: /msg dpkg snapshot |
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| 09:31.37 | gabri | mm Guerin sanpsho can't answer, why? |
| 09:32.13 | enouf | Zap-W: no longer .. only if selecting the 2.4.27 Sarge installer kernel |
| 09:32.40 | Zap-W | what is /dev/ide |
| 09:32.57 | Zap-W | is it created by devfs? |
| 09:32.59 | enouf | Zap-W: /msg dpkg udev for more about the devfs transition |
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| 09:33.55 | enouf | Zap-W: maybe sarge's 2.6.8 uses it still .. I honestly forget |
| 09:34.22 | enouf | Zap-W: /dev/ide is hardware |
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| 09:35.41 | enouf | Zap-W: try ls -al /dev/disk/by-path , if using udev .. see interfacebus.com for types of buses/interfaces |
| 09:36.55 | cydork | Rydekull: there is preseed which is similar to ks. |
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| 09:37.45 | Rydekull | cydork: I'll check it out. Thank you |
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| 09:38.22 | cydork | Rydekull: check /msg dpkg preseed |
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| 09:40.13 | cydork | enouf: i am thinking of buying a new pcmcia card! |
| 09:40.29 | enouf | cydork: now you're talkin |
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| 09:41.05 | cydork | enouf: i wonder how much i will get for that dongle on ebay! :P |
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| 09:41.48 | crm_ | hi.. can anyone suggest a good gtk+ based IDE |
| 09:41.55 | crm_ | that doesnt depend on gnome |
| 09:42.10 | enouf | ask ms to sell it for you .. they can sell crap to most anyone |
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| 09:44.18 | cubiq | How can I force a disk to become /dev/sda instead och /dev/sdb? |
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| 09:44.20 | enouf | crm_: I dunno, but have you used apt-cache search IDE | grep gtk |
| 09:44.26 | Quintin | How do I get mod_rewrite with apache2? |
| 09:44.38 | crm_ | will do enough |
| 09:44.45 | BrownFrog | cubiq: You could do what I did: switch SATA cables around in your box ;) |
| 09:45.15 | enouf | wtf does it matter? |
| 09:45.20 | cubiq | BrownFrog: The problem is that one SATA disk is conencted to the MB and the other 2 to a RAID controller... |
| 09:45.47 | crm_ | thanks enouf |
| 09:45.51 | insmod | enouf: he is right dev pics the order of the cable |
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| 09:46.06 | enouf | crm_: no prob ;-) |
| 09:46.08 | Zap-W | enouf, the question is why during the debian-installer there is /dev/ide and after the installation is done there is none , unless /dev/ide is from devfs |
| 09:46.12 | BrownFrog | cubiq: Ouch; that's not going to work then. Theoretically, you should be able to ignore the physical order and just fiddle with /etc/fstab; I assume there's some reason you can't do that either though |
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| 09:46.43 | xi1 | Quintin: create symlink in /etc/apache2 |
| 09:46.56 | enouf | you people beter learn how to write udev rules then .. or use e2label, or UUIDs |
| 09:47.05 | RichiH | hmm, all of a sudden, ftp2.de.debian.org has an invalid signature |
| 09:47.11 | RichiH | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org unstable Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 09:47.17 | Quintin | xi1: huh? |
| 09:47.18 | cubiq | The system is on the disk connected to the MB and populated as /dev/sda. If I put a disk on the RAID controller it becomes /dev/sda at boot and then a kernel panic as it cant populated all the /devs on the raid controller disk.. |
| 09:47.59 | enouf | Zap-W: you're misunderstanding some basic hardware concepts |
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| 09:48.38 | enouf | RichiH: update your keys? |
| 09:48.53 | BrownFrog | cubiq: Hmm; that is indeed a tricky problem |
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| 09:49.22 | xi1 | Quintin: ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/rewrite.load /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/rewrite.load |
| 09:49.28 | bluerabbit | is there a way to reconfigure network with dpkg ? |
| 09:49.39 | valdyn | bluerabbit: no |
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| 09:49.42 | bluerabbit | coz changing conf files has no efect om my card |
| 09:49.52 | valdyn | bluerabbit: lies |
| 09:49.58 | bluerabbit | lies ? |
| 09:50.25 | bluerabbit | If I run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 09:50.35 | bluerabbit | I get eth0 up but with out IP |
| 09:50.40 | BrownFrog | cubiq: I'm not hugely knowledgeable about RAID, but why does that only happen if the RAID drive is on /dev/sda? Wouldn't it just delay the kernel panic until /dev/sdb were scanned if the situation were reversed? |
| 09:50.43 | bluerabbit | and IP is in interfaces |
| 09:50.48 | xi1 | bluerabbit: dhcp or static |
| 09:50.58 | enouf | RichiH: Guerin just mentioned something about a 5% issue --> <Guerin> hm, any friendly op want to put a warning about the 5% bug in rc1 d-i into the topic? .. <-- if thats not related then try commenting out that mirror (then run update), try another, then uncomment |
| 09:51.14 | valdyn | bluerabbit: so your config file is broken |
| 09:51.17 | bluerabbit | xi1, static (172.16.2.150) |
| 09:51.35 | xi1 | yup |
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| 09:52.05 | bluerabbit | broken ? in what way ? |
| 09:52.13 | xi1 | syntaxis |
| 09:52.16 | bluerabbit | its been working all this time |
| 09:52.16 | valdyn | bluerabbit: how should we know without seeing the file? |
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| 09:52.34 | cubiq | BrownFrog: The problem as I can see it is that the boot procedure wants the OS disk at /dev/sda but when I put a new disk in the original OS disk connected to the MB becomes /dev/sdb and error messages occur |
| 09:52.37 | SlayerXP | good morniong, hash dweebians |
| 09:52.37 | bluerabbit | valdyn, hold your horses..was about to suggest to show it to you |
| 09:52.41 | xi1 | damn |
| 09:52.46 | xi1 | snowing =[[[ |
| 09:53.01 | SlayerXP | snowing?!?!? in winter?!??!?! how bizzare! |
| 09:53.13 | xi1 | i know |
| 09:53.30 | dimir | moin SlayerXP |
| 09:53.32 | valdyn | cubiq: fix your cabling so that sda will remain sda |
| 09:53.34 | bluerabbit | valdyn, hm..cant ssh in to it :D |
| 09:53.53 | cubiq | BrownFrog: Is it possible to create the /dev/sdb -> raidcontroller after boot? |
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| 09:54.15 | cubiq | valdyn: Can't. One disk is connected to MB second to RAID controller card. |
| 09:54.16 | BrownFrog | cubiq: That really shouldn't be a problem; I have 3 SATA and 1 PATA drive here (no RAID albeit), and boot Linux from /dev/hda and /dev/sdc with no problem (note: sdc), and Windows from /dev/sdb (C:) |
| 09:54.31 | valdyn | cubiq: so switch |
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| 09:55.06 | valdyn | cubiq: well, actually, since its different controllers, that might bring issues, why dont you put both on the first controller |
| 09:55.07 | RichiH | enouf: so you are saying take out, update, put back in, update? |
| 09:55.26 | enouf | RichiH: indeed .. can't hurt to try .. |
| 09:55.31 | BrownFrog | cubiq: And I do all that without trying to trick my LInux distros on /dev/sdc that they're really /dev/sda. I'm wondering if there's some BIOS problems going on with you... |
| 09:55.44 | BrownFrog | cubiq: (Not that upgrading one's motherboard is ever fun...) |
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| 09:56.00 | BrownFrog | cubiq: (Unless you do that kinda thing as a hobby) |
| 09:56.08 | valdyn | BrownFrog: not a bios problem, more like an inherent problem with pc hardware |
| 09:56.16 | bluerabbit | just booted with livecd and network is not working at all ..seams to me its a dead card |
| 09:56.31 | BrownFrog | valdyn: How so? When I can boot from /dev/sdc just fine. |
| 09:57.14 | RichiH | enouf: no go |
| 09:57.17 | valdyn | BrownFrog: hows that related to the issue of changed device node? |
| 09:57.31 | cubiq | valdyn: The thing is that Im writing monitoring code for the raid controller so I have the system on a sata disk conencted to the MB. Then I put in the raid controller, compiled the drivers and wanted to be able to play around with the controller and its disks. I dont want to put anything on the disks I oly have to to write RAID code :) |
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| 09:58.15 | valdyn | cubiq: your bios should offer selection of boot device |
| 09:58.31 | BrownFrog | valdyn: Exactly what I was saying ;) |
| 09:58.48 | enouf | RichiH: cp -a /var/lib/apt/lists/ to /var/lib/apt/lists/old , then update again .. otherwise you'll need to either wait or update your gpg --list-keys |
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| 09:59.06 | cubiq | valdyn: I've disabled boo support for the raid controller in the raid controllers bios so it doesn't even shows up as a bootable device |
| 09:59.06 | RichiH | cubiq: assuming you do not need to run like this for ages, you can work around your problem by booting grub from usb stick or cd with the right settings |
| 09:59.19 | valdyn | cubiq: so it boots from sdb and hangs where? |
| 09:59.31 | BrownFrog | cubiq, RichiH: Not a bad idea; you might even consider a GRUB floppy |
| 09:59.50 | enouf | RichiH: or mv /var/lib/apt/lists/* /var/lib/apt/lists/old .. but you may need to mkdir first |
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| 10:00.21 | cubiq | valdyn: Yes, it boots from the OS disks but during the boot it tries to do something with /dev/sda and I get all sorts of errors |
| 10:00.31 | cydork | RichiH: also you have that key in apt-key list ?? |
| 10:00.35 | valdyn | cubiq: at which point exactly? |
| 10:00.57 | RichiH | enouf: i figured it out |
| 10:01.03 | cubiq | valdyn: Hold on, I'll go get the exact error. |
| 10:01.27 | RichiH | the download of ftp2.de.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_Release.gpg does not finish, i think |
| 10:01.28 | BrownFrog | cubiq: I also wonder if you could perhaps boot a different distro or a LiveCD or something, then mount your Debian partition and modify the /etc/rc*.d to not do whatever is immediately causing the error, assuming it is not vital to the boot |
| 10:01.47 | RichiH | not that it would give me an error, but it always stays in partial/ |
| 10:01.54 | enouf | RichiH: stuuck at 99%? |
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| 10:02.06 | RichiH | enouf: no, update runs through just fine |
| 10:02.19 | RichiH | enouf: for now, i will simply stop caring and look at it tomorrow |
| 10:02.25 | RichiH | i need to get some work done, now ;) |
| 10:02.29 | enouf | :-) |
| 10:02.50 | RichiH | come to think of it, i will look at it on saturday |
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| 10:06.21 | ReinH | Hmm, if I alter my /etc/profile to change my path, do I have to restart to have it take effect? |
| 10:06.48 | xand | restart? no |
| 10:06.51 | valdyn | ReinH: no, you have to relogin, unless you are talking about X, then it probable has no effect at all |
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| 10:07.11 | ReinH | hmmm, where should I change the path so it affects all users and ssh and such? |
| 10:07.21 | valdyn | ReinH: in the same files, though |
| 10:07.26 | valdyn | !wikifaq ReinH DotFiles |
| 10:07.27 | dpkg | ReinH: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 10:07.30 | valdyn | ReinH: ^^^ |
| 10:07.37 | ReinH | valdyn: got it, ty |
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| 10:08.14 | valdyn | ReinH: ugliness of unix at its best =/ |
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| 10:08.39 | ReinH | valdyn: joy |
| 10:08.57 | ReinH | hmmm, random unrelated question, can Konsole recognise urls? |
| 10:09.06 | ReinH | (like, say, gnome-terminal) |
| 10:09.09 | enouf | ReinH: take a look at /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 10:09.23 | ReinH | enouf: ah, that would be for all users then eh? |
| 10:09.37 | BrownFrog | ReinH: From a cursory testing of it, no |
| 10:09.37 | DimmuR | I have strange problem with usb scanner on debian Etch. When i use sane-find-scanner -q i see: found USB scanner .... but when i launch xsane or kooka it find no scanner :( any hints? |
| 10:09.38 | cubiq | valdyn: http://pastie.caboo.se/38803 |
| 10:09.42 | cubiq | BrownFrog: http://pastie.caboo.se/38803 |
| 10:09.44 | valdyn | enouf: his problem is that *dm overwrite $PATH, probably |
| 10:09.45 | enouf | ReinH: seems so .. and Konsole is just a glorified kde xterm |
| 10:09.55 | ReinH | BrownFrog: disappointing :) Guess I'll just go back to gnome-terminal |
| 10:10.25 | enouf | ReinH: valdyn knows more than I though about it .. follow his lead |
| 10:10.30 | mhiku | what is this error? configure: error: !!! no tgetent - no screen |
| 10:11.08 | ReinH | enouf: will do :) |
| 10:11.20 | ReinH | I didn't think it would be nearly this complex just to set the path, lol |
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| 10:11.32 | ReinH | brb |
| 10:11.46 | enouf | ReinH: I can easily use wget, ping, traceroute, dig, whois in konsole .. if that's what you're asking about it |
| 10:12.00 | enouf | !customer |
| 10:12.01 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 10:12.28 | valdyn | enouf: can you rightclick on urls in konsole and do url-specific operations, like "open in browser" ? |
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| 10:12.48 | ReinH | sweet |
| 10:13.10 | BrownFrog | cubiq: Hmm; hard to say (for a relative newbie like me) where that is happening without a more complete paste and a list of /etc/rcX.d (where X is the runlevel you're starting at; I think 5) |
| 10:13.19 | enouf | valdyn: not that I'm aware of .. it's not a browser, though I can run lynx/links within it .. so yeah .. you can i guess |
| 10:13.37 | BrownFrog | cubiq: Are you using a relatively normal etch or sid install? |
| 10:13.55 | enouf | valdyn: so i guess yes :-P |
| 10:14.09 | valdyn | cubiq: that sda uknown partition table |
| 10:14.20 | valdyn | cubiq: ... is not an error, its expected |
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| 10:14.32 | cubiq | BrownFrog: Mmmm the only thing I can understand is that it is used to have the OS disk at /dev/sda but now it is populated as /dev/sdb |
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| 10:14.57 | cubiq | valdyn: Yes I know the problem is the last row |
| 10:15.05 | hoodlum | how come when installing debian with the 2.6 kernel on my acer aspire 5610, as its starting the PC Card service i get a continuous post beep, regardless of if i load the modules or not for it. But when i load the 2.4 kernel the system boots fine? |
| 10:15.12 | valdyn | cubiq: looks like your own script throwing an error? |
| 10:15.14 | cubiq | After it tries to find it it kernel panics |
| 10:15.32 | valdyn | cubiq: surely 2nd error has to happen when sda has no partition table... |
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| 10:15.53 | cubiq | valdyn: Havn't written any. I have a normal etch install with a patch kernel to support the raid card. |
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| 10:16.00 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 10:16.09 | BrownFrog | cubiq: I've switched disk orders myself before, and a simple Knoppix (or even Gentoo) LiveCD boot and editing fstab and GRUB's menu.list is enough for me |
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| 10:16.25 | perlmonkey | does anyone know why my mouse pointer disappears in certain apps (firefox is one) when the program is bizy/page is loading? |
| 10:16.32 | BrownFrog | cubiq: I assume you've already edited GRUB's menu.lst as you're booting in the first place, correct? |
| 10:16.42 | cubiq | BrownFrog: Hmmm problems is that how do I get the cards drivers in on a live CD :L) |
| 10:16.47 | valdyn | cubiq: both messages aren't critical errors, they are expected messages |
| 10:17.05 | hoodlum | how come when installing debian with the 2.6 kernel on my acer aspire 5610, as its starting the PC Card service i get a continuous post beep, regardless of if i load the modules or not for it. But when i load the 2.4 kernel the system boots fine? |
| 10:17.13 | cubiq | valdyn: Yes, but it still kernel panics after it can find the last file |
| 10:17.23 | Guerin | b |
| 10:17.25 | BrownFrog | cubiq: You shouldn't need to be able to read the disk if you're not booting from it; valdyn is right. There must be some deeper reason it's kernel panicing. |
| 10:17.33 | valdyn | cubiq: that panic could be interesting, thats a real error |
| 10:17.53 | cubiq | valdyn: I'll go get the exact kernel panic..w8 |
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| 10:18.14 | valdyn | cubiq: not finding root device, something like that, i guess |
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| 10:19.22 | valdyn | cubiq: why is the raid controller driver loaded this early though? are you using a custom kernel? |
| 10:19.25 | BrownFrog | cubiq: Oh, and just to make sure, in GRUB, you boot the kernel with root=/dev/sdb1 instead of root=/dev/sda1, right? |
| 10:19.55 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 10:20.06 | [abhishek] | can anyone give me all the repositories for debian etch...... |
| 10:20.17 | cubiq | BrownFrog: Im checking that now :) |
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| 10:20.29 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 10:20.29 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 10:20.33 | [abhishek] | i have only 3 CD rom entries in menu.lst |
| 10:20.36 | perlmonkey | [abhishek] apt-setup |
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| 10:21.27 | perlmonkey | hi enouf |
| 10:21.33 | cubiq | valdyn: Yes, you are right. Mount and run_init throws errors because i cant find what its looking for. I'll check the GRUB now to make sure its booting sdb instead.. |
| 10:21.38 | perlmonkey | heavy snow here -2 |
| 10:21.42 | enouf | perlmonkey: yo yo ma |
| 10:21.44 | [abhishek] | perlmonkey: that command is not working for me |
| 10:21.46 | acesmythe | hey, everytime i try to use apt, it says it's connecting to sub.domain.tld (1.0.0.0 |
| 10:21.51 | valdyn | cubiq: what about the kernel? |
| 10:21.58 | acesmythe | (were sub.domain.tld is a source rep) |
| 10:22.01 | valdyn | cubiq: the raid controller shouldnt even be detected yet |
| 10:22.01 | perlmonkey | [abhishek]: be more specific |
| 10:22.07 | cydork | [abhishek]: apt-setup is not in etch. |
| 10:22.16 | acesmythe | sarge here |
| 10:22.23 | [abhishek] | cydork: ok |
| 10:22.36 | [abhishek] | can anyone give me all the repositories for debian etch...... |
| 10:22.42 | acesmythe | apt-setup seems to be working |
| 10:22.53 | ebbs | hi. Are there any other things, which are needed for a full network(-devices) restart, than: modprobe -r module_of_the_ethernet_device and modprobe module_o... and /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
| 10:22.54 | acesmythe | ... did we just ask apt questions at the same time? that's awsome :p |
| 10:22.55 | [abhishek] | etch here |
| 10:22.55 | valdyn | cubiq: linux sd* order is ( among other things ) determined by the order you load drivers. |
| 10:22.56 | perlmonkey | why would apt-setup not be in etch?? |
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| 10:23.24 | enouf | cubiq: see the grub manual about the map command usage, and check your device.map file |
| 10:23.30 | acesmythe | you solved my problem methinks, thanks |
| 10:23.59 | [abhishek] | perlmonkey: help me please |
| 10:24.11 | enouf | !why is apt-setup not in testing |
| 10:24.11 | dpkg | apt-setup is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=apt-setup |
| 10:24.12 | perlmonkey | i dont care for this snow too much I must say |
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| 10:24.47 | hark | perlmonkey: because there's no base-config ;) |
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| 10:24.55 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 10:25.08 | perlmonkey | dpkg then eh |
| 10:25.08 | scx | !you are amazing |
| 10:25.09 | dpkg | scx: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 10:25.25 | scx | :) |
| 10:25.53 | hark | apt-spy or netselect-apt, i guess |
| 10:26.35 | cubiq | valdyn: I get Kernel Panic - Not syncing. Trying to kill init! |
| 10:26.47 | acesmythe | yup, you definantly fixed my problem, thanks much :D |
| 10:27.12 | cubiq | valdyn: Before that I get mount: Special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 10:27.28 | ebbs | Is this all (see above) needed for a full restart of the whole network thing??? |
| 10:27.55 | BrownFrog | cubiq, valdyn: Looks like the easy answers aren't working, and I really need to get going. Valdyn seems more knowledgable about the more complicated stuff, and can hopefully help you get everything working. Good luck :) |
| 10:28.10 | scx | :o !!! dpkg detects the user location ?! |
| 10:28.12 | cubiq | BrownFrog: Thx for all our help! |
| 10:28.18 | cubiq | your I mean :) |
| 10:28.19 | BrownFrog | cubiq: No problem! |
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| 10:28.32 | enouf | ebbs: a /etc/init.d/networking restart (or stop | start) should suffice , though of you're talking about binary blobs and wifi stuff ...not sure |
| 10:28.57 | ebbs | enouf, no im talking about an ethernet device |
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| 10:29.18 | enouf | ebbs: you shouldn't have to use modprobe at all |
| 10:29.23 | ebbs | enouf, its a strange thing, one time it works, one time it dont |
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| 10:29.41 | enouf | ebbs: dpkg -l zeroconf |
| 10:29.46 | innu | hey, firehol wants /usr/src/linux/.config. that dosent exist. How can i install these files? linux-headers dosen't include .config file somewhy |
| 10:29.51 | ebbs | enouf, I need to restart the system, then it maybe works.. |
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| 10:30.05 | ebbs | enouf, k |
| 10:30.08 | [abhishek] | !please provide me with good debian etch repositories |
| 10:30.19 | Quintin | xi1: many thanks |
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| 10:30.37 | enouf | !tell [abhishek] -about mirrors |
| 10:30.53 | ebbs | enouf, rc zeroconf 0.9-1 IPv4 link-local address allocator |
| 10:30.57 | [abhishek] | !debian etch repositories |
| 10:30.58 | Ronin | [abhishek]: they're all fine, pick some close to you normally |
| 10:31.12 | [abhishek] | ronin ok |
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| 10:31.20 | enouf | ebbs: ok .. not the issue then .. could've been |
| 10:31.21 | [abhishek] | enouf: ok |
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| 10:32.32 | enouf | ebbs: though try a apt-cache --purge remove zeroconf anyway |
| 10:32.36 | enouf | er sorry |
| 10:32.42 | hoodlum | how come when installing debian with the 2.6 kernel on my acer aspire 5610, as its starting the PC Card service i get a continuous post beep, regardless of if i load the modules or not for it. But when i load the 2.4 kernel the system boots fine? |
| 10:32.43 | enouf | ebbs: though try a apt-get --purge remove zeroconf anyway |
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| 10:33.05 | ebbs | enouf, it is another problem. when the ethernet device doesnt work and Im entering ifconfig, it says Protocol:UNSPEC Hardware Address: (here comes bullshit: 00:00:0E:56::23:34:54:00:00:... |
| 10:33.42 | enouf | ebbs: seems like an ipv6 and ipv4 issue |
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| 10:33.54 | senthil | hi to all ....can anybody tell me steps tocreate an netboot cd image |
| 10:34.16 | perlmonkey | For anyone who experiences the problem of mouse pointer disappearing momentarily when using certain apps (notably web browsers) the fix is a simple one, add Option "HWCursor" "off" to your grafix card section in xorg.conf. Dunno if you guys wanna add that to your ! bot thingy |
| 10:34.32 | enouf | ebbs: which module is needed? and pastebin your /etc/modules contents |
| 10:34.35 | yalu | hello. I get an error from php on the cli saying that mysql_connect is an undefined function. php as an apache module works fine . how can I load the mysql stuff in php's commandline version? |
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| 10:35.29 | enouf | perlmonkey: FWIW .. Konsole does that auto .. set to a timer setting you tell it .. |
| 10:36.04 | ebbs | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/345230, these are not all modules loaded, but I dont know, where the others are notified... |
| 10:36.05 | enouf | perlmonkey: but it stays hidden until you again move the rodent |
| 10:36.30 | enouf | ebbs: some are =y in the kernel config |
| 10:36.38 | perlmonkey | enouf: ok :-) |
| 10:36.42 | enouf | ebbs: some are in the initrd |
| 10:37.06 | ebbs | enouf, so the things in /etc/modules are in initrd... |
| 10:37.07 | yalu | nvm solved |
| 10:37.15 | enouf | ebbs: which module is needed specifically for your eth0 ? |
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| 10:37.27 | ebbs | enouf, et131x |
| 10:37.47 | ebbs | enouf, its an agere adapter |
| 10:38.02 | enouf | ebbs: add it to /etc/modules |
| 10:38.38 | ebbs | enouf, the module is loaded with every startup... |
| 10:38.51 | innu | hey, firehol wants /usr/src/linux/.config. that dosent exist. How can i install these files? linux-headers dosen't include .config file somewhy |
| 10:38.59 | innu | ah nvm |
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| 10:39.31 | enouf | ebbs: when you did your mkinitramfs did you add the midule to that list? |
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| 10:40.18 | ebbs | enouf, sorry, I dont know I didnt make the mkinitramfs manually... |
| 10:40.18 | enouf | ebbs: should be listed in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 10:41.00 | enouf | ebbs: didn't you do your own initrd?> |
| 10:41.09 | ebbs | enouf, no, it is not included in this file, there is nothing in this file |
| 10:41.22 | enouf | ebbs: didn't you do your own initrd?> |
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| 10:42.17 | Sonic^Work | Hi all! |
| 10:42.22 | ebbs | enouf, I was included in the deb package I made with: make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1 kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 10:42.43 | Sonic^Work | If i've made an update to Debian Sarge, may i send it to Debian team? Are they interested? |
| 10:43.04 | Sonic^Work | I've prepared several DEBs needed to compile recent version of Kino video editor. |
| 10:43.13 | Sonic^Work | Is Sarge still supported or not? |
| 10:43.14 | xand | Sonic^Work: not for sarge |
| 10:43.20 | xand | and etch is frozen |
| 10:43.32 | xand | sarge is supported, but no new packages, only security updates |
| 10:43.40 | Sonic^Work | xand, Frozen? What does this mean? AFAIK Etch is in testing stage... |
| 10:43.51 | Sonic^Work | xand, Heh... |
| 10:43.53 | xand | it means no new packages without heavy scrutiny |
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| 10:44.12 | Sonic^Work | xand, So - release soon ? |
| 10:44.22 | xand | release date is december 2006 |
| 10:44.29 | enouf | ebbs: ok .. so where is this module er131x ? it's not a kernel module here .. Do a grep -i et131 /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:45.27 | enouf | ebbs: nothing whatsoever about it in my kernel config either |
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| 10:47.04 | ebbs | enouf, there is no et131x in /boot/config-2.6.19.2... |
| 10:47.15 | enouf | ebbs: I know |
| 10:48.11 | enouf | ebbs: as root modprobe -l | grep et131 .. bet you get nothing again |
| 10:48.47 | enouf | which means you made the module .. and likely didn't do it correctly with m-a] |
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| 10:49.00 | ebbs | enouf, /lib/modules/2.6.19.2/extra/et131x.ko |
| 10:49.00 | enouf | aha! |
| 10:49.13 | enouf | new ebbs ok .. then ad it to /etc/modules |
| 10:49.27 | enouf | add* |
| 10:49.46 | ebbs | enouf, added... |
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| 10:50.18 | enouf | hrmm .. the /extra Dir is newer than 2.6.16 .. changesm changes |
| 10:50.49 | enouf | think it's aprt of the newer linux-modules-extra pkg I've been hearing about |
| 10:51.19 | ebbs | so... :- |
| 10:51.24 | ebbs | *:-) |
| 10:51.28 | enouf | ebbs: done :-) |
| 10:51.42 | ebbs | enouf, so restart... |
| 10:51.50 | enouf | ebbs: sure |
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| 10:52.02 | ebbs | k |
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| 10:54.49 | Sonic^Work | xand, But etch is still not released... |
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| 10:56.47 | Ronin | Sonic^Work: nope its not, hopefully soon though |
| 10:57.41 | Sonic^Work | Ronin, Nice... |
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| 11:06.19 | VonWarlock | hi all, anybody knows other irc webclient instead of ircatwork.com? |
| 11:06.49 | scv | is there a flash irc client? |
| 11:06.54 | Guerin | VonWarlock: putty+irssi |
| 11:07.01 | Guerin | scv: gods, i hope not |
| 11:07.07 | scv | ? |
| 11:07.07 | Guerin | the java clients are bad enough |
| 11:07.16 | petemc | google for cgi irc |
| 11:07.22 | Guerin | one written in crash is just begging for trouble |
| 11:07.25 | scv | I do with you, java = bad |
| 11:07.34 | Guerin | java = not as bad as crash |
| 11:07.34 | scv | s/do/go |
| 11:07.39 | VonWarlock | nops |
| 11:07.59 | Guerin | but yeah, there's cgi::irc |
| 11:08.00 | scv | a java irc client is deadly slow |
| 11:08.11 | Quintin | anyone here setup a pastebin on linux? |
| 11:08.29 | VonWarlock | i'm behind a firewall ... java clients doesn't work |
| 11:08.31 | Guerin | Quintin: how do you set up a website on a kernel? |
| 11:08.35 | scv | so, i wish there was a flash irc client |
| 11:09.12 | Quintin | Guerin: Don't be a dumbfuck, you GNU fanboy |
| 11:09.17 | VonWarlock | scv: what site? |
| 11:09.18 | scv | flash is the future~~~ |
| 11:09.25 | Quintin | scv: .... |
| 11:09.26 | scv | I don't know |
| 11:09.28 | Quintin | scv: flash is crap |
| 11:09.29 | Guerin | Quintin: nothing dumb about it. Say what you mean. |
| 11:09.32 | scv | oh |
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| 11:09.43 | Guerin | Quintin: wow, we really DO agree on something this time! |
| 11:09.49 | Guerin | !beer Quintin |
| 11:09.49 | scv | I dislike flash, although it's good |
| 11:09.56 | Guerin | no, flash is not good |
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| 11:10.01 | scv | I want a FREE flash |
| 11:10.04 | Quintin | scv: the web is a text-based medium |
| 11:10.06 | VonWarlock | hehe |
| 11:10.08 | ebbs | enouf, I needed four restart to make my ethernet adapter work...... |
| 11:10.24 | Guerin | nothing which crashes boxen with the regularity of flash is good, and EXPECIALLY when the only thing it does is frivolous webapps and animation |
| 11:10.24 | Quintin | scv: I hope you get run over by a box truck |
| 11:10.27 | enouf | ebbs: that doesn't sound like fun .. |
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| 11:10.40 | Quintin | Guerin: "boxes". ffs. |
| 11:11.02 | Guerin | Quintin: møøsen |
| 11:11.05 | Quintin | I know few good uses of flash |
| 11:11.12 | Quintin | youtube.com would be about it :p |
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| 11:11.21 | Guerin | nah, youtube is a terrible use |
| 11:11.35 | scv | the flash clip is amazing |
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| 11:11.47 | Guerin | embedded plugins have worked fine for a decade, why stop using them now/. |
| 11:11.49 | ebbs | enouf, yes... look at this...: http://pastebin.ca/345265 |
| 11:12.04 | scv | it's small and doesn't take too much cpu power |
| 11:12.17 | |ac3| | is it possible to specify a wildcard mac in dhcpd? (first 3 bytes are the same) so all my vmwares get an ip out of the same range. |
| 11:12.19 | Guerin | anyway ... i've considered running a ssl cgi::irc on my webserver, but have decided that i'd never get any work done |
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| 11:13.09 | scv | iirc, flash compiles data as programs |
| 11:13.14 | Quintin | Guerin: make my pastebin work! |
| 11:13.15 | ShredZ | Is it possible to renumber partitions ? |
| 11:13.24 | Guerin | Quintin: why reinvent the wheel? |
| 11:13.38 | Quintin | Guerin: $-) |
| 11:13.41 | Guerin | ShredZ: nttbomk. Can't see why you'd want to. |
| 11:13.51 | ebbs | enouf, when the ethernet adapter does not work comes this, what I posted to pastebin |
| 11:14.16 | scv | ebbs, what either card? |
| 11:14.31 | ShredZ | Guerin, I'm on a mac using boot camp and partition 4 is in between partition 2 and 3 atm so windows is totally confused |
| 11:14.37 | ebbs | scv, agere et131x Gbit |
| 11:14.44 | scv | ? |
| 11:14.53 | Guerin | ShredZ: you have my condolences, for being forced to use TWO shitty operating systems. |
| 11:15.06 | ShredZ | Guerin, forced ? |
| 11:15.13 | scv | never heard of that nic |
| 11:15.23 | Guerin | ShredZ: well, nobody in their right mind would use them by choice, so ... |
| 11:15.33 | ebbs | scv, .... you see :-) |
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| 11:15.50 | Quintin | Guerin: er, macos is awesome |
| 11:16.00 | Guerin | Quintin: nope, sure ain't. |
| 11:16.07 | Quintin | Guerin: why, exactly, is that |
| 11:16.17 | enouf | ebbs: sure looks like some ipv6 munging --> Protokoll:UNSPEC Hardware Adresse 65-01-61-55-00-E0-91-04-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
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| 11:16.23 | oskyldig | hi to all |
| 11:16.37 | enouf | ebbs: use ifconfig -a from now on .. you have a sit0 addy too |
| 11:16.48 | enouf | erm interface perhaps ebbs |
| 11:16.51 | ebbs | enouf, no |
| 11:17.09 | enouf | ebbs: Yes ipv6 munging --> Protokoll:UNSPEC Hardware Adresse 65-01-61-55-00-E0-91-04-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 11:17.19 | Guerin | Quintin: because it pretends to be a *n?x, but breaks some of the most fundamental things (terminal, some tools) and has an appalingly saccharine UI which makes it impossible to do anything without jumping through lots of stupid hoops |
| 11:17.24 | Guerin | much like gnome, except worse |
| 11:17.29 | enouf | or ipv4 doubling your card |
| 11:17.39 | Quintin | Guerin: mhm. what gui do you use then? |
| 11:17.55 | oskyldig | got a problem with suspend, didn't find the acpi suspend option in my kernel config (2.6.18-7, amd64) and am wondering if I should check for suspend2 or whether there are different methods to put my comp to sleep |
| 11:17.57 | Guerin | Quintin: evilwm |
| 11:18.10 | scv | can isps support the inet6? |
| 11:18.13 | oskyldig | any suggestions? |
| 11:18.19 | ebbs | enouf, so it would be best, if I could deactivate ipv6 somehow? |
| 11:18.24 | Guerin | oskyldig: suspend(1) should be in stock. I recommend suspend2 though, it's awesome. |
| 11:18.30 | scv | s/inet6/ipv6 |
| 11:18.33 | enouf | ebbs: did you build any of your modules? .. if so did you do m-a prepare before anything? |
| 11:18.55 | Guerin | scv: it's mostly transparent with ipv4 |
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| 11:19.03 | scv | oh |
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| 11:19.11 | scv | in a tunnel? |
| 11:19.13 | ebbs | enouf, m-a prepare ??? |
| 11:19.13 | Quintin | Guerin: you really are a masochist |
| 11:19.15 | enouf | ebbs: not sure .. but I've seen that issue here some time ago .. the "networking" gurus can tell you .. I'm not on eof them :-P |
| 11:19.20 | Guerin | Quintin: why? |
| 11:19.23 | ShredZ | Guerin, I prefer not to look at my os x as a wannabe unix, I consider it a "nice" alternative to the other commercial OS that at least is closer to unix ... |
| 11:19.40 | Guerin | ShredZ: whatever keeps you getting up in the morning. |
| 11:19.43 | enouf | ebbs: yes .. man module-assistant if you built any of your modules |
| 11:19.49 | ebbs | ahh |
| 11:19.55 | oskyldig | Guerin, what's it's config name? btw, it seems to me that suspend2 just works for 2.6.18.3 not 2.6.18.7, is that a huge problem? |
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| 11:20.13 | ebbs | enouf, I didnt use m-a before |
| 11:20.19 | scv | ebbs, did you see your gigabit nic in the kernel source? |
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| 11:20.22 | crazy_rzt | Hi |
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| 11:20.44 | Guerin | i'm fortunate, i suppose, that i have 100% unilateral control over my computing requirements - i'm not bound to use any particular stupid thing for work, or anything. I write all my work in LaTeX in emacs and distribute it via PDFs ... |
| 11:20.57 | ebbs | scv, no it is not included in the kernel source... |
| 11:20.57 | enouf | and then also man depmod .. ok then .. it 'may' have something to do with that .. again .. dunno :-( |
| 11:21.07 | scv | ebbs, :( |
| 11:21.23 | crazy_rzt | How to make working each connection of a pptpd server ping between? The server can ping the 2 connected peoples, but people A cant ping people B. |
| 11:21.32 | Guerin | oskyldig: i have s2 running on 2.6.19.1; perfectly sane. The lead developer is in #suspend2 and is quite responsive, if you have problems |
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| 11:21.45 | Quintin | Guerin: LaTeX = pwn |
| 11:21.55 | ebbs | enouf, scv: thx |
| 11:21.55 | oskyldig | Guerin, thx |
| 11:21.55 | Guerin | Quintin: fuck yeah. |
| 11:21.56 | Quintin | Guerin: emacs = fag |
| 11:22.02 | Guerin | Quintin: quelle vidiot. |
| 11:22.08 | scv | ebbs, you are welcome, anytime |
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| 11:22.19 | ebbs | scv, thank you very much |
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| 11:22.39 | Quintin | Guerin: On one of my old FreeBSD servers emacs is a link to a program that randomly deletes some of the users files, chastises them for their idiocy, then launches the vim-tutor |
| 11:22.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 11:22.52 | Guerin | that ain't right |
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| 11:23.36 | Guerin | vi* is alien to me. That whole bimodal thing is just fucking braindead, never got my head around it. |
| 11:23.36 | Quintin | Guerin: what work do you do exactly ? |
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| 11:24.02 | Guerin | Quintin: i'm a graduate student of political science, and i work as a media analyst |
| 11:24.12 | Guerin | Quintin: nothing to do with IT or technology |
| 11:24.21 | SerajewelKS | wow i would hate that job |
| 11:24.31 | Quintin | Guerin: what party? |
| 11:24.44 | scx | !party |
| 11:24.45 | dpkg | somebody said party was Lego, and alcohol |
| 11:24.46 | Guerin | media analyst = `person who watches news and listens to talkback and writes it up for those more fortunate' |
| 11:24.57 | Guerin | Quintin: whichever one invites me? |
| 11:25.04 | Quintin | Guerin: political party |
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| 11:25.36 | SerajewelKS | politics interest me but i couldn't work in that field |
| 11:25.42 | Guerin | Quintin: i'm not a member of any political party. I vote Labour, always have, despite disagreeing with a growing number of their policies. |
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| 11:26.15 | scv | Labour = Communist? |
| 11:26.21 | Quintin | scv: YES |
| 11:26.24 | scv | ... |
| 11:26.26 | Guerin | ShredZ: no, Labour=Labour |
| 11:26.38 | Quintin | I bet you spell color with a 'u' too. |
| 11:26.40 | VonWarlock | clear |
| 11:26.42 | Quintin | poor bastard |
| 11:26.48 | scv | can a communist pretend to be a labour? |
| 11:26.55 | Guerin | NZ has a communist party, but it's not viable ... though I think my uncle is a member |
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| 11:27.14 | Guerin | scv: sure, why not. Won't get him far down that particular path, though. |
| 11:27.25 | Quintin | anyone here use prelink ? |
| 11:27.29 | Guerin | Quintin: yeah, it sucks to live in a civilised country. |
| 11:27.38 | SerajewelKS | !anyone use prelink |
| 11:27.38 | dpkg | No, no one uses prelink, not even the people who use it. |
| 11:27.53 | Quintin | SerajewelKS: blow me |
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| 11:28.29 | SerajewelKS | !blow Quintin |
| 11:28.30 | Guerin | Quintin: how about you, o bad-tempered one? |
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| 11:28.58 | Quintin | Guerin: own a computer company. used to be a card player |
| 11:29.12 | Quintin | SerajewelKS: you, not the bot (!) |
| 11:29.13 | Guerin | what game? |
| 11:29.32 | SerajewelKS | Quintin: no thanks |
| 11:29.54 | Quintin | no limit texas hold'em, pot-limit omaha, pot-limit omaha hi/lo are what I excel at and what I enjoy most and what I play most. I'm profitable at all the common games though. |
| 11:30.08 | enouf | ebbs: try editing/looking at this file --> /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVER=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:07:6c:1f:10:b3", NAME="eth0" |
| 11:30.08 | Guerin | ah yeah |
| 11:30.25 | Quintin | s/play/played |
| 11:30.28 | Guerin | never did care much for poker; five hundred or various whit-like games are my thing |
| 11:30.31 | Guerin | whist, even |
| 11:30.33 | Quintin | Don't do much since the new laws in the US |
| 11:31.07 | Guerin | we invented a version of bid whist on a train in China once, when we couldn't remember the rules, now known as chinese whist |
| 11:31.19 | Guerin | though only four people know how to play it the world over |
| 11:32.13 | Quintin | I don't know any other games :( |
| 11:32.24 | Quintin | 'cept hearts and spades. spades is big with the ex-cons |
| 11:32.35 | Guerin | oh, god, i hate those two games |
| 11:32.44 | Guerin | the repetition ... it pains me |
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| 11:37.27 | ebbs | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/345292 |
| 11:38.28 | enouf | ebbs: that's a problem :-) |
| 11:38.51 | ebbs | enouf, anything wrong..?? |
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| 11:39.07 | enouf | it appears you have a Firwire device, a Ethernet device (or 2) and one i presume is GigE |
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| 11:39.30 | Quintin | slashdot is so stupid |
| 11:40.00 | ebbs | enouf, how can I avoid loading the ipv6 module, if it isnt in the /etc/module. IPv6 is compiled as Module in my actual menuconfig |
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| 11:40.25 | SerajewelKS | ebbs: what's wrong with the v6 module |
| 11:40.31 | enouf | ebbs: the firewire one is hogging eth0 .. the 3rd one listed is the one you're using (or trying to) # PCI device 0x11c1:0xed00 (et131x) |
| 11:40.55 | enouf | ebbs: irt doesn't appear to be an ipv6 issue after all |
| 11:41.06 | enouf | ebbs: but a udev assignment issue |
| 11:41.16 | enouf | SerajewelKS: pls see his pastebin |
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| 11:42.04 | ebbs | enouf, oh damn , yes, youre so good :-))))) |
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| 11:42.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i don't see anything about ipv6 in that paste |
| 11:42.39 | ebbs | SerajewelKS, long story :-) ... |
| 11:42.48 | enouf | grep -ir eth0 /etc/udev |
| 11:43.02 | enouf | SerajewelKS: it's not ipv6 related |
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| 11:43.29 | ebbs | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/345299 |
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| 11:44.13 | SerajewelKS | enouf: ... i know, hence my comment |
| 11:44.16 | enouf | Nobody sees the conflict? heh |
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| 11:44.24 | olsen | hi |
| 11:44.31 | ebbs | enouf, so thats the fault ... |
| 11:44.40 | enouf | ebbs: comment out the firewiore device in that file for now |
| 11:44.54 | ebbs | enouf, k ill try it.... |
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| 11:45.01 | olsen | what should i use on my intel 64 architecture, AMD64 or IA64? |
| 11:45.13 | Quintin | olsen: uh, IA64 .. |
| 11:45.14 | enouf | olsen: 686 if |
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| 11:45.19 | enouf | No! |
| 11:45.25 | SerajewelKS | olsen: it seems rather obvious |
| 11:45.25 | enouf | !ia64 |
| 11:45.26 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 11:45.35 | ebbs | enouf, thx for your patience |
| 11:45.36 | olsen | Quintin: but isnt AMD64 EMT64 also? |
| 11:45.57 | Quintin | olsen: EMT64 is Intel's implemenation of AMDs 64 bit extensions |
| 11:46.07 | olsen | Quintin: i see |
| 11:46.11 | enouf | olsen: if you want full true all 64 bit use amd64, if not use -686 |
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| 11:46.19 | olsen | Quintin: so AMD64 will also work on IA64? |
| 11:46.29 | enouf | olsen: some apps are NOT available (too easily) in 64 only |
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| 11:46.47 | enouf | Eulex: welcome ;-) |
| 11:46.48 | olsen | enouf: s/amd64/ia64? |
| 11:46.51 | Quintin | olsen: ... ??? |
| 11:47.08 | enouf | Eulex: ooops .. the other nick left .. |
| 11:47.23 | olsen | Quintin: i've installed AMD64 on IA64 and works fine |
| 11:47.27 | enouf | olsen: what CPU do you have? |
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| 11:47.32 | Quintin | olsen: you want a cookie? |
| 11:47.44 | olsen | enouf: some intel core duo |
| 11:47.49 | enouf | olsen: no you haven't,but that's not the issue |
| 11:47.58 | olsen | Quintin: no, i was wondering why it works, and if i should change it to IA64 |
| 11:48.12 | enouf | IA64 is not Intel em64t |
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| 11:48.35 | enouf | READ the fucken bot info already! |
| 11:48.36 | olsen | should i change it to IA64? |
| 11:48.46 | enouf | !amd64 |
| 11:48.46 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
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| 11:49.05 | enouf | dpkg: shoot olsen |
| 11:49.25 | olsen | ... |
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| 11:50.35 | enouf | thanks dpkg , I enjoy your choice of weaponry |
| 11:50.35 | dpkg | enouf: bitte |
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| 11:55.25 | enouf | amphi: I keep seeing you join, but never leave O.o |
| 11:55.55 | enouf | doh .. the bot connection .. |
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| 12:01.31 | Phil2 | hi guys, I just installed a new drive as a slave and I'd like to mount it. Is there any way to list all the hard drives (and partitions) on the system so that I may see which device I should be mounting? |
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| 12:03.51 | Replico | what does it mean exactly to "mount a file system?" |
| 12:04.06 | petemc | its literal |
| 12:04.22 | drako | Hello |
| 12:04.33 | Paddy_EIRE | i have just installed winxp and would now like to restore the grub bootloader, could anyone take me through this im in the grub shell |
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| 12:04.47 | enouf | Phil2: lshal | grep block.device |
| 12:04.56 | drako | How I can make that my USB sound device become default sound system when I plug it? |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'maint-guide.en.html' returned no results. |
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| 12:05.39 | enouf | dpkg: wb |
| 12:05.40 | dpkg | thanks, enouf. It's good to be back. |
| 12:05.50 | Phil2 | enouf: is there any way to then check the size of a device since I'm not exactly sure which one it is |
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| 12:06.11 | enouf | Phil2: unmounted, use fdisk -l and see dmesg |
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| 12:06.27 | priboy | !dpkg why aptitude |
| 12:06.36 | Phil2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.44 | liable | Paddy_EIRE: whats your debian hard drive on? |
| 12:06.48 | Phil2 | /dev/hdb1 1 7297 58613121 83 Linux |
| 12:06.53 | Phil2 | that'd be it, thanks :) |
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| 12:07.46 | etchjster | hello all |
| 12:07.49 | drako | How I can make that my USB sound device become default sound system when I plug it? |
| 12:09.02 | enouf | I would break any device that did that |
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| 12:10.02 | etchjster | lol |
| 12:10.57 | Phil2 | can I just check that if I do, "cp -R /home/ /newhomestuff/" it'll copy the entire home dir to there and preserve all the permissions? |
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| 12:13.07 | unlink | how do i get udev to associate a particular hard drive to a particular mount point? |
| 12:13.22 | xand | Phil2: you might want -a |
| 12:14.11 | liable | unlink: just write a rule to name said devive to whatever you want ie /dev/hda, then fstab does the rest |
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| 12:14.38 | unlink | liable: it's a removable drive though, /dev/sdb doesn't say much about what hard drive it is |
| 12:14.47 | Phil2 | xand: I have a slave drive mounted to newhomestuff which I'd like to replace the /home partition on the present drive, so do I need -a? |
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| 12:15.21 | liable | unlink: doesnt matter if its removeable, have a read in /usr/share/doc/udev |
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| 12:15.25 | Phil2 | I think I actually want "cp -R /home/* /newhomestuff/" as I assume the former will copy the actual home dir as opposed to just its contends |
| 12:15.28 | Phil2 | *contents |
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| 12:16.22 | enouf | Phil2: when in doubt use -a |
| 12:16.30 | Phil2 | ok enouf |
| 12:16.34 | Phil2 | so -aR? |
| 12:16.43 | Phil2 | oh, a covers R |
| 12:16.46 | enouf | not necessary |
| 12:16.52 | unlink | liable: thanks |
| 12:16.55 | Phil2 | ok, so just "cp -a /home/* /newhomestuff/" |
| 12:17.26 | enouf | AFAIK Phil2 .. yep |
| 12:17.34 | Phil2 | ok, thanks :) |
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| 12:19.10 | ebbs | enouf, it doesnt work.. (lots of restarts later, ebbs reenter #Debian) udev remakes the entry in the file, where I commented the entry out... |
| 12:19.31 | enouf | ebbs: heh .. |
| 12:19.44 | enouf | ebbs: then you have to go about it correctly |
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| 12:20.26 | ebbs | enouf, lol, can I configure my ethernet card to be eth2??? |
| 12:21.01 | olsen | Quintin: doesn't IA64 only means itanium? |
| 12:21.48 | enouf | ebbs: sure :-) .. not entirely certain how and where to do that .. check all the various /etc/udev/* files (and man pages) , and ensure /etc/network/* and /interfaces isn't containing munging entries |
| 12:22.00 | liable | ebbs: udev rule is the go |
| 12:22.04 | enouf | obstfliege: yes |
| 12:22.08 | enouf | olsen: yes |
| 12:22.24 | phycho | damn |
| 12:22.32 | phycho | the performance difference between reiserfs and xfs is just insane |
| 12:22.54 | olsen | enouf: i cant use IA64 on a Core Duo 2 cpu? |
| 12:23.01 | enouf | olsen: NO! |
| 12:23.09 | MoDaX | olsen: yes, you can't |
| 12:23.34 | riot | how can i remove mesa without removing xorg? i don't need/want mesa |
| 12:23.40 | liable | ebbs: heres a idea .. SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="ipw3945", ATTRS{address}=="00:13:02:71:59:a8", NAME="wlan0" |
| 12:23.58 | enouf | olsen: /msg dpkg ia64 .. and visit en.wikipedia.com/wiki/em64t perhaps |
| 12:24.23 | enouf | liable: see http://pastebin.ca/345299 concernin ebbs |
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| 12:25.04 | ebbs | liable, do you think udev wont change it again? |
| 12:25.12 | olsen | if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 12:25.19 | enouf | liable: it's 2 separate device/interfaces .. 1 firewire(ohci_hcd), and 2 gigE (or ethernet) |
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| 12:25.34 | liable | ebbs: it hasnt changed my z25 rule yet :) |
| 12:25.57 | MoDaX | riot: you can't. and mesa is just a lib, it does not hurt |
| 12:26.09 | enouf | liable: which file did you set that in? |
| 12:26.13 | liable | ebbs: why have you named two different devices the same name in that rule? |
| 12:26.20 | liable | ebbs: the same as his |
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| 12:26.33 | ebbs | liable, it was made automatically |
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| 12:26.53 | riot | MoDaX: it _does_ hurt. Because it overwrote my accelerated libGL. |
| 12:27.03 | liable | ebbs: theres two lines with different mac addresses and the same iface name? |
| 12:27.10 | MoDaX | riot: nvidia/fglrx? |
| 12:27.31 | riot | MoDaX: Both, currently enerved by ati. |
| 12:28.10 | MoDaX | riot: use debian packages, i.e. fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src. |
| 12:28.13 | riot | MoDaX: though, fglrx is running, and fglrxinfo claims, it uses hw-accelerated dri. but quake3 wants to use mesa-voodoo-crap |
| 12:28.17 | riot | MoDaX: i did. |
| 12:28.57 | Eulex | riot, what does glxinfo|grep direct say? |
| 12:29.17 | riot | Eulex: as expected, nothing. |
| 12:29.19 | MoDaX | riot: first of all, mesa is not crap, fglrx is crap. 2nd fglrx-driver mesa out of the way |
| 12:29.40 | MoDaX | diverts meta* |
| 12:29.41 | Eulex | riot, no, it should say either "direct rendering: No" or "direct rendering: Yes" |
| 12:29.43 | riot | MoDaX: oh, sure. Both nvidia and fglrx are crap. |
| 12:29.43 | MoDaX | mesa |
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| 12:30.07 | MoDaX | riot: nvidia is better |
| 12:30.35 | riot | MoDaX: strangely, it didn't do that. Yes, i switched my workstation gpu to nvidia.. still it imposes lots of unnecessary work with every kernel-update et al. |
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| 12:31.02 | olsen | how do you install the latest nvidia drivers with APT? |
| 12:31.14 | MoDaX | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:31.14 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 12:31.38 | Onur | hi. how can i change keyboard layout for my base system? I changed for X, but how can i change for base? |
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| 12:31.39 | riot | All this shit, just because these corps are so greedy. :(( |
| 12:31.41 | enouf | kernel update? |
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| 12:32.24 | MoDaX | riot: are you sure, you're using right package. glxinfo should not return 'nothing' |
| 12:33.04 | riot | well, rechecked. It returns "Yes" |
| 12:33.20 | Phil2 | hmmmm |
| 12:33.25 | MoDaX | riot: and vendor 'ATI' ? |
| 12:33.44 | riot | MoDaX: client, yes. server is sgi |
| 12:34.11 | MoDaX | riot: so xorg.conf is not ok |
| 12:34.14 | Phil2 | I'm trying to boot with kernel 2.6.18 yet it's saying: "Ketnel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-bclock(0,0)" |
| 12:34.21 | Phil2 | I can boot with 2.6.17 fine |
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| 12:34.50 | liable | Phil2: you compiled? |
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| 12:35.05 | Onur | Phil2: your kernel image or initramd is damaged. |
| 12:35.08 | riot | MoDaX: hmmm. I'll back it up and create one with fglrxconfig.. |
| 12:35.10 | Phil2 | liable: no, apt did it a month or so ago however I just rebooted for a new drive install |
| 12:35.12 | ebbs | liable, yes, so if I change ethx, it should stay, even when I restart the system |
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| 12:35.41 | liable | ebbs: yes, it should.. |
| 12:36.04 | MoDaX | riot: fglrxconfig is, errrr, crap. change driver to fglrx in xorg.conf |
| 12:36.08 | riot | wtf. no fglrxconfig :( |
| 12:36.19 | liable | aticonfig.. |
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| 12:36.36 | riot | MoDaX: oh, it is. |
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| 12:38.04 | MoDaX | riot: weird. check Xorg.0.log |
| 12:38.26 | IR1 | Hello, i have installed Debian 3.1 on my hd and Windows XP and now i want to add Windows in my grub boot loader menu.. Debian is installed on a IDE disk and Windows on a SATA drive how can i add Windows XP in the menu file... |
| 12:38.42 | phycho | anyone have any experience with trunking and samba? |
| 12:38.43 | riot | MoDaX: good hint. something is broken. |
| 12:38.51 | gabri | hi how i can fix this problem? |
| 12:38.54 | gabri | debian:/usr/src/linux-2.6.20# yaird -o /boot/initrd-2.6.20 2.6.20 |
| 12:38.54 | gabri | yaird error: unknown kernel version: 2.6.20 (fatal) |
| 12:39.23 | MoDaX | gabri: file a bug or switch to initramfs-tools |
| 12:39.58 | MoDaX | gabri: if your syntax is correct |
| 12:40.06 | Onur | gabri: try mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20 2.6.20 |
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| 12:40.31 | sjaakmans | Hello, i have installed Debian 3.1 on my hd and Windows XP and now i want to add Windows in my grub boot loader menu.. Debian is installed on a IDE disk and Windows on a SATA drive how can i add Windows XP in the menu file... |
| 12:40.58 | MoDaX | sjaakmans: see example at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:41.15 | sjaakmans | Does that tells me also how to add a SATA drive? |
| 12:41.55 | MoDaX | sjaakmans: cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 12:42.51 | sjaakmans | Thnx i will try it now :) |
| 12:42.59 | enouf | Phil2: is root on hdb2 i think you said? .. then grub menu.lst should point to (1,1) .. check your /boot/grub/device.map |
| 12:43.06 | gabri | debian:/usr/src/linux-2.6.20# yaird -o /boot/initrd-2.6.20 2.6.20 |
| 12:43.06 | gabri | yaird error: Could not read output for /sbin/modprobe -v -n --show-depends --set-version 2.6.20 evdev (fatal) |
| 12:43.07 | riot | MoDaX: it seems to fall back to software rendering due to some undefined symbol in fglrx_dri.so.. i guess, my xorg-driver's version is wrong? how can that be |
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| 12:44.21 | MoDaX | riot: is fglrx-driver from unstable? |
| 12:44.54 | MoDaX | riot: have you messed up with ati-installer before? |
| 12:45.37 | enouf | gabri: use initramfs-tools not yaird |
| 12:46.08 | riot | MoDaX: no. Its a clean upgrade from a very old debian dvd-base-install to unstable which i made yesterday. I suppose, its trying to find these symbols in a mesa-libGL... :( |
| 12:46.10 | Phil2 | enouf: no, the root is on hda I only moved /home to hdb. I tried booting .18 before I installed the drive and got the same error |
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| 12:47.12 | Paddy_EIRE | how would i go about adding windows to grub now that debian is up and running again |
| 12:47.15 | MoDaX | riot: go to the dir where fglrx_dri.so is and look for dupes |
| 12:47.20 | enouf | Phil2: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18.xxxxxxxx |
| 12:47.36 | Phil2 | ok enouf |
| 12:47.59 | Phil2 | just resizing some partitions on hda so providing that doesn't break I'll do it when I boot it up in .17 |
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| 12:48.27 | MoDaX | Paddy_EIRE: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:48.55 | Paddy_EIRE | MoDaX: ok how would i find out where windows is loacted |
| 12:49.01 | ofer1 | what do you use to record sounds using a microphone from the command line ? |
| 12:49.11 | Quintin | Paddy_EIRE: somewhere in washington... |
| 12:49.26 | Paddy_EIRE | lol |
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| 12:49.35 | riot | MoDaX: no dupes. i now moved mesa's libGL out of the way and replaced it with /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/*... let's see... |
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| 12:50.31 | enouf | Paddy_EIRE: they're usually located on the outside of the houses that linux occupies :-) |
| 12:50.34 | MoDaX | Paddy_EIRE: in the partition where you installed it? |
| 12:50.47 | riot | MoDaX: no. Doesn't help either.. *argh* |
| 12:50.48 | Paddy_EIRE | MoDaX: errr, hda1 |
| 12:50.53 | riot | fglrx-- |
| 12:51.25 | MoDaX | riot: those diversions were mesa ... |
| 12:51.32 | Paddy_EIRE | MoDaX: can u help me find out |
| 12:51.37 | MoDaX | Paddy_EIRE: (hd0,0) then |
| 12:51.53 | Paddy_EIRE | MoDaX: what do i do with that |
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| 12:51.56 | olsen | is there a way to see how many computers are actually using the internet through the nat? |
| 12:52.03 | MoDaX | Paddy_EIRE: there is an example in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:52.07 | enouf | riot: may wanna review http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html |
| 12:52.23 | MoDaX | Paddy_EIRE: uncomment it. your partition is (hd0,0) |
| 12:52.47 | riot | MoDaX: oh. funny.. yes, fglrx_info confirms that ;) |
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| 12:53.01 | riot | enouf: i'll give it a look, thanks. |
| 12:53.26 | MoDaX | riot: is fglrx kernel module loaded? |
| 12:53.38 | Quintin | can I force certain files to always be in disk cache? |
| 12:53.39 | riot | MoDaX: yep |
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| 12:54.30 | riot | hmhmm. i used flavio's guide. I suspect some version-mismatch between kernel-module and the dri-stuff |
| 12:54.38 | MoDaX | riot: http://www.stanchina.net/~flavio/debian/fglrx-installer.html#configure |
| 12:54.50 | MoDaX | riot: module section |
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| 12:56.04 | enouf | olsen: IIRC, netcat can reach out and find all reachable hosts, you'll have to install it and read the docs manpages .. also netstat -plunt, or -tunap should do well |
| 12:56.12 | karmatronic | olsen: good question |
| 12:56.17 | unlink | i'm getting the error message scsi 7:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device |
| 12:56.24 | unlink | when i try to mount something with autofs. |
| 12:56.28 | unlink | mounting it manually works thouhgl |
| 12:56.55 | enouf | scsi 7 ? .. lovely |
| 12:56.56 | MoDaX | Quintin: setting up a cron job and cat'ing it to /dev/null every few minutes? |
| 12:57.15 | enouf | !she's dead jim |
| 12:57.19 | Phil2 | is it safe to delete old kernel images from /boot since they're filling it up |
| 12:57.27 | unlink | enouf: ? |
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| 12:57.39 | Tallu | Phil2: yes just update grub after it, or lilo. |
| 12:57.42 | MoDaX | Phil2: yes, aptitude purge them |
| 12:57.53 | enouf | Phil2: yep .. but better make sure you don;'t need them .. use apt-cache --purge remove kernel-image-XXXX |
| 12:58.03 | Phil2 | ok |
| 12:58.07 | enouf | er apt-get Phil2 sorry |
| 12:58.08 | unlink | apt-get? |
| 12:58.53 | Phil2 | will apt-get update grub also? |
| 12:58.59 | riot | MoDaX: the extmod-subsection was missing, but that didn't help either |
| 12:59.35 | unlink | Phil2: yes |
| 12:59.37 | MoDaX | riot: what unresolved symbol is X complaining about? |
| 12:59.42 | Phil2 | ok |
| 12:59.54 | enouf | Phil2: /msg dpkg sarge->etch and review the info about the /etc/kernel-img.conf file .. man kernel-img.conf |
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| 13:00.53 | Phil2 | I've tried: apt-get --purge remove kernel-image2.6.15-1-486 and apt-get --purge remove kernel-image-2.6.15 but both say there is no such package |
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| 13:01.09 | enouf | Phil2: use tab completion :-) |
| 13:01.25 | enouf | Phil2: try linux-image in it's plcae |
| 13:02.07 | enouf | unlink: not necessarily |
| 13:02.21 | Phil2 | I just tried: "apt-get --purge remove linux-image" then pressed tab however nothing completed |
| 13:02.42 | enouf | try kernel-image then |
| 13:02.52 | Phil2 | I tried that before, same result |
| 13:02.59 | MoDaX | Phil2: aptitude purge ~n.*2.6.15.* |
| 13:03.10 | enouf | then apt doesn't know you installed it |
| 13:04.09 | Phil2 | that did it MoDaX |
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| 13:04.55 | unlink | enouf: oh? |
| 13:04.58 | enouf | apt-get --purge remove kernel- |
| 13:04.58 | enouf | kernel-image-2.6-686 kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 kernel-package |
| 13:05.07 | unlink | enouf: i've done it dozens of times and every time it's updated menu.lst |
| 13:05.11 | enouf | apt-get --purge remove linux- |
| 13:05.11 | enouf | linux-doc-2.6.18 linux-headers-2.6.16-2-686 linux-kernel-headers |
| 13:05.12 | enouf | linux-headers-2.6.16-2 linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 13:05.15 | unlink | (i've never wanted it to, though :P) |
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| 13:05.27 | Phil2 | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 13:05.50 | MoDaX | enouf: you have tab completion enabled |
| 13:06.06 | enouf | MoDaX: doh! .. is that all it is? .. for pete's sake |
| 13:06.09 | Mark17 | hello can someone help me with the following error: Empty file list disallowed (CVS server, tortoise client) |
| 13:06.38 | MoDaX | enouf: it is not by default (for non-files). /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 13:06.48 | Phil2 | that seems to have done all ok |
| 13:06.53 | enouf | MoDaX: ahh .. |
| 13:07.08 | Phil2 | freed about 100mb on the boot partition also |
| 13:07.09 | Phil2 | heh |
| 13:07.33 | riot | MoDaX: (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/atiogl_a_dri.so: |
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| 13:08.06 | enouf | unlink: I never used autofs .. so dunno .. suggest man mount/pmount/autofs perhaps |
| 13:08.16 | MoDaX | riot: wrong driver |
| 13:08.24 | MoDaX | riot: and disable AIGLX |
| 13:08.32 | MoDaX | riot: it won't work with fglrx |
| 13:08.54 | riot | MoDaX: huh? I didn't activated it.. now i'm confused.. |
| 13:09.18 | MoDaX | riot: paste your xorg.conf |
| 13:09.22 | riot | MoDaX: wheres that stuff coming from? And what is it? The free accelerated driver? |
| 13:09.23 | MoDaX | !pastebin |
| 13:09.23 | dpkg | well, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 13:11.22 | riot | MoDaX: GNF. Ok.. i think, i installed one wrong package (namely the free aiglx dri..) |
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| 13:11.50 | riot | MoDaX: though the xorg.conf definitely uses "fglrx" - not aiglx... |
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| 13:12.33 | Phil2 | enouf: reconfiguring .18 has made it boot, thanks :) |
| 13:12.47 | enouf | Phil2: congrats ;-) |
| 13:13.04 | Firestarter- | what's the name of debians package for nvu? |
| 13:13.15 | MoDaX | !info nvu |
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| 13:13.30 | enouf | !find nvu |
| 13:13.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nvu' (5 of 13): (/usr/sbin/xfsinvutil) in admin/xfsdump ;; (/usr/include/iceape/uconv/uconvutil.h) in devel/iceape-dev ;; (/usr/include/icedove/uconv/uconvutil.h) in mail/icedove-dev ;; (/usr/include/xulrunner/uconv/uconvutil.h) in libdevel/libxul-dev ;; (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/apps/nvu.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono. |
| 13:14.28 | hark | Firestarter-: it's not in Debian |
| 13:14.38 | Firestarter- | ahh they removed it |
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| 13:15.33 | unlink | enouf: the driver had gone bad. i had to reload it. |
| 13:15.57 | unlink | why the hell can't i ping myself? everyone else on the network can ping me! |
| 13:16.16 | enouf | Firestarter-: apt-file search nvu returns an nvu-dev pkg and some others .. |
| 13:16.19 | riot | unlink: look at your firewall-rules. can you ping anyone else? |
| 13:16.27 | unlink | yes |
| 13:16.28 | unlink | everyone else |
| 13:16.40 | unlink | i don't have a local firewall |
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| 13:16.51 | enouf | Firestarter-: though /msg dpkg search .. for more info about using thatthat |
| 13:16.55 | enouf | er tool* |
| 13:17.01 | Firestarter- | thanks |
| 13:17.37 | enouf | unlink: gone bad? .. lol ok .. if it works .. hey ;-) |
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| 13:17.57 | unlink | enouf: i was up to scsi 20 :P |
| 13:18.03 | enouf | omg |
| 13:18.18 | enouf | it just flake |
| 13:18.24 | riot | gnf. i just removed the aiglx-package, reinstalled fglrx-driver (along with xorg) - yet it still tries to use aiglx *GAH* |
| 13:18.37 | Eulex | riot, fix your xorg.conf |
| 13:19.00 | Eulex | riot, btw, aiglx is built into xorg, there's no separate aiglx package |
| 13:19.23 | riot | Eulex: theres no word in there about aiglx. its pretty much after flavio's howto |
| 13:20.12 | Eulex | riot, there's no Option "AIGLX" "true" or similar? |
| 13:20.43 | riot | Eulex: no. |
| 13:20.50 | Eulex | odd then |
| 13:20.52 | riot | Eulex: just Driver "fglrx" |
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| 13:20.56 | hark | riot: you have to explicitly tell xorg.conf to not use AIGLX, afaik |
| 13:20.59 | sylv1 | Hello, I want to launch a command with ssh, but the problem is that the program (vncserver) goes into background so the ssh connection is closed (I want it open for the port forwarding). How could I tell ssh not to close the connection after the program has finished? |
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| 13:21.06 | unlink | when i tcpdump, i can see that there is no echo request even generated when i try to ping myself by my hostname |
| 13:21.14 | riot | hark: oh. hmm.. that is not mentioned anywhere.. i |
| 13:21.20 | riot | 'll search for it |
| 13:21.24 | unlink | however, when i ping localhost there is (but in neither case is there an echo reply) |
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| 13:22.13 | hark | riot: Option "AIGLX" "off" in the ServerFlags sections, iirc |
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| 13:23.31 | enouf | unlink: /etc/hosts.allow{deny} ? also denyhosts pkg? |
| 13:23.33 | karmatronic | sylv1: ssh -e "vnc && sleep 200 " something lik etaht |
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| 13:24.40 | riot | hark: ok, i'll try this. |
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| 13:24.56 | unlink | enouf: the configuration of those files is identical to a box that works |
| 13:25.20 | karmatronic | sylv1: or use -N option of ssh |
| 13:25.32 | szarak | hi, i need help with some scripts. i've got a perl script wich is a cron job. It is a for loop wich downloads a file via wget. how can i prevent forking lots of processess when the host from wich i download is offline? |
| 13:25.35 | Zap-W | if i want to add LVM support to initrd in debian , i have to manually |
| 13:25.47 | Zap-W | get hands dirty in /etc/initramfs-tools ? |
| 13:25.57 | sylv1 | karmatronic: if I use -N, it won't execute any command, won't it? |
| 13:26.37 | karmatronic | sylv1: yeah but it will forward connection |
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| 13:27.04 | sylv1 | karmatronic: yeah but i need to execute the command :( |
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| 13:27.18 | enouf | Zap-W: using which release? and yes |
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| 13:27.23 | riot | hark: right.. found some info in fedora's wiki... |
| 13:27.43 | Tarcisio | hi |
| 13:27.51 | enouf | Zap-W: unless upi lt the installer set it up for you |
| 13:27.58 | enouf | s/upi/you |
| 13:28.01 | Zap-W | enouf, i just finished debootstrap installation testing release |
| 13:28.04 | Tarcisio | anybody here speak portuguese |
| 13:28.11 | scv | nobody |
| 13:28.17 | Tarcisio | well |
| 13:28.18 | enouf | !br |
| 13:28.18 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:28.19 | Zap-W | enouf, i installed 2.6.18-3-k7 kernel but it made some initrd that has no LVM |
| 13:28.32 | Tarcisio | ok |
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| 13:28.45 | stan_ | hello, anyone I could ask a gdb-related question, for not finding symbol tables, even if the corresponding *-dbg.deb have been installed? |
| 13:28.59 | enouf | Zap-W: did you enable the support? |
| 13:29.46 | Zap-W | enouf, enable where? there was no where to enable |
| 13:29.46 | enouf | Zap-W: within the installer? .. or maybe the debootstrap doesn't have the fundtionality |
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| 13:29.46 | Zap-W | enouf, no such functonalitty apperently |
| 13:29.55 | Justin | Zap-W: if you have root on lvm the initrd scripts will automatically make an initrd that supports lvm |
| 13:30.13 | riot | hark: that helped against those errors.. thanks. |
| 13:30.25 | riot | still quake3 refuses to run :/ |
| 13:30.42 | karmatronic | sylv1: explain clearly the problem |
| 13:30.52 | riot | and isn't 500 fps in fgl_glxgears somewhat slow? |
| 13:30.57 | Zap-W | Justin, how can i verify that there is not even a vgchange in the initrd image or lvm executable |
| 13:31.35 | hark | riot: yeah, also i think that it is one of the few EE errors which is non fatal as such. So, if X is not starting or something.. have a look at something else ;) |
| 13:31.41 | Justin | Zap-W: uncompress the image |
| 13:31.59 | Zap-W | Justin, that's what i am saying |
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| 13:32.43 | hark | riot: glxinfo |grep -i rendering should say Yes |
| 13:32.51 | enouf | Zap-W: I would loop mount it instad of decompressing |
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| 13:33.35 | Zap-W | enouf, it's already uncompressed , no lvm or vgchange command in it |
| 13:33.37 | Zap-W | what is wrong |
| 13:33.55 | enouf | I don't know LVM well .. are you also using mdadm> |
| 13:33.57 | enouf | ? |
| 13:34.05 | Zap-W | no |
| 13:34.40 | sylv1 | karmatronic: I want to launch vncserver on my remote machine and forward vnc port to my local machine. I was thinking of ssh -L5900:localhost:5900 mymachine.com vncserver, but vncserver launches Xvnc in the background and so the ssh is closed when the vnsserver perl script finishes. That's a problem. |
| 13:35.24 | Justin | sylv1: connect to the vnc server before closing ssh |
| 13:35.28 | drako | hey, my laptop's speakers got damaged.... I have a USB headphones with its own sound card, I don't want the system to use the onboard sound system |
| 13:35.32 | riot | hark: oh, it does. |
| 13:35.42 | sylv1 | Justin: I was thinking it was possible to do in in a single ssh command |
| 13:35.51 | petemc | drako: can you disable it in the bios? |
| 13:35.57 | drako | i commented the sound entries on /etc/modprobe.d/sound |
| 13:36.07 | drako | but its still loading sound system. |
| 13:36.14 | Justin | sylv1: ssh -L5900:localhost:5900 mymachine.com 'vncserver;sleep 30' would work, also try ssh -f |
| 13:36.39 | enouf | ok.. then http://debix.alioth.debian.org/ Zap-W |
| 13:36.47 | drako | petemc, hhmm not sure but good call, let me check but to be honest i've been playing with the bios lately and i haven't seen this option there. |
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| 13:37.19 | hark | riot: what does glxgears give btw? |
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| 13:37.55 | enouf | or http://wiki.debian.org/LVM?highlight=%28lvm%29 naturally linked to tldp.org Zap-W |
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| 13:38.45 | riot | hark: fgl_glxgears gives only 500.. as i've read about 1200 or more, this seems a little low. (its a firegl t2 (M10)) |
| 13:38.54 | Roey | hark: hark? |
| 13:38.56 | Roey | I know a guy named Hark |
| 13:39.04 | Roey | but you're in arab emirates is it? |
| 13:39.17 | hark | Dubai, yes |
| 13:39.37 | hark | riot: glxgears alone? |
| 13:42.12 | riot | hark: uh, nothing! weird. does it need some parameter? |
| 13:42.25 | hark | riot: ah yeah, -printfps |
| 13:43.14 | riot | hark: very well documented program... :/ |
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| 13:43.42 | riot | hark: 1900 fps |
| 13:43.42 | hark | riot: heh, there's a reason for that |
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| 13:44.31 | hark | riot: that seems quite good enough for Quake3. |
| 13:44.50 | Justin | hark: quake3 is a lot more complicated than glxgears |
| 13:45.28 | hark | no kidding ;) |
| 13:45.43 | Justin | though, the 1900 fps in glxgears will probably work out to 200 fps in quake3;) |
| 13:46.02 | riot | hark: i guess so ;D |
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| 13:47.41 | hark | the t2 is mostly an entry level card afaik. But it must be fine for Quake3 atleast... |
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| 13:48.20 | etchjster | anyone here use metacity as their desktop? |
| 13:48.26 | hark | etchjster: ask! |
| 13:48.32 | phoohb | Hello Debian folks! I have a odd problem: "My mouse weel scrolls twise (x2) when I use kernel 2.6 (BUT not when I use kernel 2.4)" Any ideer why?? (Its an ordinary PS/2 standar mouse I have) |
| 13:48.34 | xand | you mean as their window manager? |
| 13:49.20 | phoohb | CAn it be the kernelmodules for 2.6, OR xorg?? |
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| 13:49.32 | etchjster | yes |
| 13:49.45 | etchjster | it dosent load just hangs at grey screen |
| 13:49.49 | Hotwire | phoohb: i know kde has a setting for this somewhere |
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| 13:50.24 | riot | Does anyone know, what quake3 means exactly with "User Interface is version 3, expected 6"? |
| 13:50.43 | phoohb | Hotwire: Hmmm.. also the mouse seams to be more senisble (I have to move it less, to move the cursor) |
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| 13:51.21 | Hotwire | phoohb: this can be changed using the kde control centre, and the word you were looking for was sensitive |
| 13:51.34 | etchjster | lol |
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| 13:52.45 | riot | aah. my pak0.pk3-link was broken :D |
| 13:52.47 | phoohb | Okey Hotwire maybe its something duto xorg/XFree86 or whatever (I go and google) |
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| 13:54.30 | neoalex | hi guys, how would I be able to power off one of my usb ports |
| 13:54.35 | neoalex | and power it back on |
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| 13:54.49 | neoalex | basically I need to connect |
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| 13:54.58 | neoalex | a light to it, and make it blink |
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| 13:55.25 | Loady | Hi im having some issues with quotatool and woody, # quotatool -u 1234 -bq 100MB /home = quotatool: Failed fetching quotas: Invalid argument. Any ideas? |
| 13:55.36 | xand | woody? eww. |
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| 13:56.50 | Loady | Loady: yup woody. its a production server. |
| 13:57.03 | Loady | errr... xand even |
| 13:57.12 | Ronin | Loady: you know support for woody ended along time ago? :) |
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| 13:57.30 | chemaja | Ronin: i was just wonddering then if it was supported still |
| 13:57.49 | ofer1 | Loady, try -u <username>, not <uid> |
| 13:57.58 | Loady | ofer1: same result |
| 13:58.01 | Ronin | not to mention sarge has been stable for a long time, it would be safe by now to upgrade it heh |
| 13:58.04 | xand | Loady: running an unsupported OS ;) |
| 13:58.26 | chemaja | Loady: i upgraded woody over ssh with zero planning and got away with it ;) |
| 13:58.30 | rpc | is there a way to reset arp proxy? |
| 13:58.36 | chemaja | Loady: ie. to sarge |
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| 13:58.49 | rpc | i suspect it went wrong and doesn't work as expected anymore |
| 13:59.00 | Loady | xand: well.. its a production server, and upgrade is planned. but i want to solve my quota issue first |
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| 14:00.17 | Loady | chemaja: im thinking about it but i have to many customers on to do anything unplanned. |
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| 14:00.54 | Slike | hello, we're looking for a simple way to send a mail from a script. we tried to use "mail", but if the mail address (before at sign) is a variable we get an RFC822 error |
| 14:01.11 | Slike | if we use a hard coded mail address it works |
| 14:01.17 | Slike | but it takes a while per user |
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| 14:01.25 | chemaja | Loady: of course. if you took my advice i would have been sorry :D |
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| 14:02.03 | Loady | chemaja: but do you have any idea of how to solve it? |
| 14:02.30 | chemaja | Loady: i wasnt following the quota convo |
| 14:03.03 | chemaja | Loady: i've never used quotas in practice |
| 14:03.12 | Loady | chemaja: oh ok. |
| 14:03.33 | Loady | chemaja: realy annonying problem tho. |
| 14:03.59 | chemaja | Loady: paste me a substring so i can /lastlog it |
| 14:04.16 | Roey | Does anyone know the ETA for FreeNX releases for Debian sid/amd64? |
| 14:04.26 | chemaja | Roey: omg good question |
| 14:04.37 | chemaja | Roey: lack of freenx makes non-gnu-masters switch to fedora |
| 14:04.38 | chemaja | :D |
| 14:04.49 | chemaja | (disclaimer: i don't run fedora) |
| 14:05.02 | Roey | I would use this FreeNX if there were a package for my sytem |
| 14:05.03 | Loady | quotatool: Failed fetching quotas: Invalid argument |
| 14:05.09 | chemaja | Roey: freenx rocks |
| 14:05.10 | Roey | chemaja: heh |
| 14:05.15 | Roey | chemaja: i so want to use it! |
| 14:05.16 | chemaja | but freenx architecture sucks |
| 14:05.20 | Roey | oh, how?? |
| 14:05.31 | Roey | chemaja: you're a programmer? |
| 14:05.33 | chemaja | they copy-in bits of other packages (think static linking) |
| 14:05.35 | chemaja | Roey: no |
| 14:05.37 | Roey | oh |
| 14:05.41 | Replico | how big is a block in linux file system? |
| 14:05.41 | chemaja | not static linking tho |
| 14:05.42 | abrotman | Roey: can it even be packaged ? |
| 14:05.47 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 14:05.48 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. |
| 14:05.50 | Roey | chemaja: why would they do that if they release the source code?? |
| 14:05.53 | stoned | morn' |
| 14:05.58 | chemaja | but they have their on bits of X for example, when they should actually depend on the debian package |
| 14:06.01 | Roey | abrotman: apparently there's a freenx package in debian for something, right? |
| 14:06.05 | chemaja | s/on bits/own bits/ |
| 14:06.07 | Roey | chemaja: ah |
| 14:06.08 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=255850 |
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| 14:06.11 | abrotman | Roey: ^^ |
| 14:06.19 | Roey | ahh |
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| 14:06.40 | chemaja | Roey: i think it was their dev environ.. they probably weren't used to bazaar methodologies ;) |
| 14:07.00 | abrotman | wait .. Overfiend's real first name isn't Branden ? |
| 14:07.02 | chemaja | Roey: a year or so ago i checked WNPP |
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| 14:07.37 | chemaja | Roey: for FreeNX. people were sort of working on it, but the main guy was too busy with schoolwork! |
| 14:07.44 | Roey | heh |
| 14:07.44 | chemaja | i hope he got good grades |
| 14:07.46 | Roey | that was five months ago |
| 14:07.49 | Roey | yeah me too |
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| 14:08.00 | chemaja | Roey: cool. my perception of time is flawed. |
| 14:08.02 | Roey | what's WNPP, chemaja? |
| 14:08.10 | chemaja | Roey: see above |
| 14:08.14 | Roey | btw, what's your name? how old are you? |
| 14:08.17 | Roey | ah |
| 14:08.22 | chemaja | Roey: Billy. I'm 25. |
| 14:08.39 | Roey | nice to meet you Billy, I am Roey; I'm 26. Four years away from thirty. sigh :( |
| 14:08.54 | xand | how cute. |
| 14:09.04 | chemaja | heh the bitter toungue of the debian veteran |
| 14:09.07 | chemaja | :P |
| 14:09.08 | Roey | I want to stay 22. :( |
| 14:09.19 | chemaja | who cares about age |
| 14:09.23 | chemaja | feh to that |
| 14:09.31 | chemaja | i know 80 year olds with more life than me ;) |
| 14:09.36 | Roey | chemaja: Debian has sapped my strength since 1999.. that's what, 8 years now? :) |
| 14:09.39 | Replico | viagra |
| 14:09.40 | Roey | But I love it |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | damn kids |
| 14:09.43 | chemaja | Roey: me since 2001 i think |
| 14:09.44 | chemaja | woody |
| 14:09.45 | charzero | Somebody should figure stats of average age of user per distro. |
| 14:09.57 | Roey | chemaja: cool. Actually I think I used it since 2000. |
| 14:09.57 | chemaja | charzero: that would be cool |
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| 14:10.19 | Roey | charzero: that's a good idea I think |
| 14:10.29 | chemaja | extend popcon to questionnaire on user demographics |
| 14:10.37 | chemaja | slap on some https/ajax goodness |
| 14:10.38 | chemaja | etc |
| 14:10.43 | Roey | "how old were you when you started using gnu/linux, which distribution did you use, and for how long did you use it?" |
| 14:10.57 | Roey | chemaja: damn, Australia! |
| 14:10.59 | chemaja | Roey: we can call it GnuRomantics |
| 14:11.02 | Roey | there are a lot of you running around here |
| 14:11.06 | chemaja | Roey: are you in .au too? |
| 14:11.08 | Roey | chemaja: HA |
| 14:11.13 | Roey | about the GNURomantics thing |
| 14:11.19 | Roey | chemaja: oh, I am in the States |
| 14:11.26 | chemaja | i think most users with think it is "gay" |
| 14:11.35 | Roey | to do what? |
| 14:11.44 | chemaja | have anything to do with gnuromance |
| 14:11.46 | Roey | ohh |
| 14:12.02 | chemaja | Debian Closet/Linux |
| 14:12.02 | Roey | well there are both men and women in the GNU users universe |
| 14:12.06 | Roey | chemaja: ahhh :) |
| 14:12.17 | Roey | isn't that selinux? |
| 14:12.22 | chemaja | sexilinux? |
| 14:12.28 | Roey | selinux is aboutkeeping secrets,etc. |
| 14:12.29 | scv | ... |
| 14:12.31 | Roey | oh |
| 14:12.34 | Roey | chemaja: Desbian Linux |
| 14:12.35 | chemaja | no it's not |
| 14:12.51 | chemaja | Fedora users could use the Fagg Wiers repository |
| 14:12.58 | Roey | ahh |
| 14:13.03 | stoned | wtf are you on about |
| 14:13.09 | scv | selinux is a trojan from the NSA |
| 14:13.12 | Roey | stoned: debian for lesbians. Desbian Linux |
| 14:13.26 | stoned | I don't find it funny tbh |
| 14:13.27 | abrotman | there is a joke site .. |
| 14:13.28 | chemaja | scv: anything to add to that prior comment? |
| 14:13.31 | stoned | I think its dumb as fuck |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 14:13.49 | Roey | heh |
| 14:14.02 | Roey | stoned: I don't. I find it hilarious. |
| 14:14.19 | etchjster | kde works great gnome works great metacity just sits at grey screen anyone?? |
| 14:14.21 | stoned | good for you |
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| 14:14.26 | Roey | stoned: oh, speaking of Secular Progressive liberals, |
| 14:14.39 | Roey | I had an interview with one such company yesterday |
| 14:14.45 | chemaja | etchjster: metacity... `DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm' |
| 14:14.58 | stoned | Roey: why are you telling me? |
| 14:14.59 | etchjster | ty |
| 14:15.07 | Roey | Interesting to find that people actually believe in this trippy earth-hugging sock-it-to-the-rich mentality |
| 14:15.19 | stoned | dude |
| 14:15.28 | stoned | its early in the morning |
| 14:15.32 | Roey | fine :P |
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| 14:15.49 | Roey | stoned: is OK on EST? |
| 14:15.49 | charzero | Roey: Nothing wrong with earth-hugging, so long as you're not trying to kill loggers in the process. |
| 14:15.56 | stoned | cst |
| 14:16.05 | stoned | its more than 15 degrees lat. |
| 14:16.08 | Roey | stoned: ahh... you're 06:16 ? |
| 14:16.17 | chemaja | charzero: reminds me of that Nofx song "Murder the Government" |
| 14:16.20 | stoned | obviously there is an hour difference |
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| 14:16.36 | stoned | 8am |
| 14:16.39 | Roey | ohh ok |
| 14:16.40 | Roey | ok then. |
| 14:17.20 | stoned | what is 24x15 |
| 14:17.21 | charzero | chemaja: Murder is entirely unnecessary. Just cut off funding. |
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| 14:17.36 | stoned | yup |
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| 14:17.38 | stoned | 360 |
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| 14:18.24 | stoned | I dunno I was sitting there thinking about my 9th grade science class |
| 14:18.39 | fredl | hey guys, I have an application which I want to make three .deb's out of. so I just run dh_make -n -m -e fredl@3dn.nl, right.... |
| 14:18.47 | stoned | I dunno why but I remembered my teacher taught us that little fact |
| 14:18.59 | fredl | then dh_make makes some nice little files in <application>/debian |
| 14:19.24 | chemaja | charzero: how would one do that |
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| 14:19.42 | fredl | and I edit the <application>/debian/control file to make three Package sections, correct? |
| 14:20.00 | chemaja | ps. does it bother anyone else that GNU/Linux's various upstreams are so volatile and disparate? |
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| 14:20.12 | chemaja | or am i just percieving the situation incorrectly |
| 14:20.17 | fredl | so in the toplevel Makefile, should I have three different install targets as well then, or how does that work? |
| 14:20.26 | chemaja | and async? |
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| 14:21.08 | gu | Can I get the mail using mutt via pop? |
| 14:21.28 | charzero | chemaja: Stop paying taxes. |
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| 14:21.52 | charzero | gu: yes. |
| 14:21.52 | fredl | grr nobody here who makes their own debs? :) |
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| 14:22.31 | scx | quiz: anyone hs tried Quake4 ? |
| 14:22.32 | cydork | fredl: not different target. every package will have package.install files. |
| 14:22.52 | cydork | fredl: you can check /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 14:23.15 | fredl | cydork, oh... should I generate those package.install files myself? |
| 14:23.42 | chemaja | charzero: dont you go to jail for that |
| 14:23.49 | chemaja | charzero: we'd have to all do it at once |
| 14:23.52 | gu | charzero: what am I szero: how to ? need more confi/quit |
| 14:23.56 | cydork | fredl: yep IIRC |
| 14:24.04 | charzero | chemaja: Yeah, but if everybody did it, they couldn't pay the police to put you in jail. |
| 14:24.30 | fredl | cydork, dang that's one huge guide :P |
| 14:25.50 | fredl | oh, 'multiple binary packages' is considered complicated and I should stay away from it, LOL |
| 14:26.12 | fredl | It's not too hard, but it does require a bit more knowledge, so we won't describe all of it here. |
| 14:26.13 | Zap-W | what is this |
| 14:26.14 | fredl | grr |
| 14:26.15 | Zap-W | invoke-rc.d: ---------------------------------------------------- |
| 14:26.15 | Zap-W | invoke-rc.d: WARNING: invoke-rc.d called during shutdown sequence |
| 14:26.15 | Zap-W | invoke-rc.d: enabling safe mode: initscript policy layer disabled |
| 14:26.15 | Zap-W | invoke-rc.d: ---------------------------------------------------- |
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| 14:26.40 | xand | spam |
| 14:26.44 | xand | is what that is. |
| 14:27.29 | cydork | fredl: :) |
| 14:27.41 | fredl | that's useful :P |
| 14:28.18 | MatBoy | !beer cydork |
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| 14:28.54 | cydork | MatBoy: :) |
| 14:29.15 | stew | fredl: have the software's makefile install everything to debian/tmp ; then you list files in package1.install and package2.install. files listed in thost .install files will be copies from debian/tmp to debian/packagename |
| 14:29.46 | duckx | Hy guys I need a packager gourou |
| 14:30.03 | muszek | hi... quick and silly questions... I used to have vim opened when I executed "crontab -e" command... now it's midnight commander's editor. is there something like "default editor" for CLI? |
| 14:30.13 | duckx | I am currently packaging a package that uses db-config to get mysql debconf pop up |
| 14:30.14 | Flimzy | Can anyone explain why on a tmpfs, df shows 2.0M in use, then after deleting a bunch of files, df still shows 2.0M, but du shows only 350k? |
| 14:30.40 | duckx | my current issue is that I need the server to be set up |
| 14:30.59 | stew | Flimzy: becuase some of the files you deleted are also open by other processes. the space wont be reclaimed until those processes close the files so that the files can really be removed |
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| 14:31.11 | duckx | Server configuration is available if you set the medium priority for debconf |
| 14:31.12 | Flimzy | stew: hrm |
| 14:31.13 | fredl | stew - ah alright, so it's simply a list of files, well I know how to make that since it's my own application :) no need to put it in debian/tmp first, correct? |
| 14:31.35 | duckx | But default install set the priority to high |
| 14:31.51 | Flimzy | stew: interesting. thanks. |
| 14:31.52 | stew | fredl: if you don't put it in debian/tmp, but put stuff directly into debian/packagename, you can skip packagename.install |
| 14:32.00 | duckx | Is there any workaround I can have to have the server config showing up ? |
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| 14:32.59 | duckx | Any idea ? adding DEBCONF_PRIORITY in my config script does not help :( |
| 14:33.02 | stew | duckx: "dpkg-reconfigure packagename" asks you the all of the low and above questions for packagename regradless of debconf setting. 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' would let you change your debconf setting do medium |
| 14:33.06 | fredl | stew - ok I think I can figure that one out, tnx |
| 14:33.26 | Flimzy | stew: Shouldn't lsof show the file(s) as in use if they're open? |
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| 14:33.32 | duckx | stew: Well I would like to change that priority temporary in my config script ... |
| 14:33.42 | charzero | muszek: $EDITOR |
| 14:33.42 | stew | Flimzy: yes. if they aren't in there, my hypothesis might be wrong |
| 14:33.43 | duckx | Any idea how I can achieve this ? |
| 14:33.58 | stew | duckx: dpkg-reconfigure -p medium packagename |
| 14:34.02 | Flimzy | stew: the bulk of the files on the tmpfs are kernel modules... are in-use kernel modules shown by lsof? |
| 14:34.26 | duckx | stew: no way to change the priority in the config script ? |
| 14:34.38 | muszek | charzero: thanks, where do I find it (sorry, I'm still a newbie) |
| 14:34.56 | stew | Flimzy: it appears that they don't show up. i don't konw if that means they would be kept around on disk |
| 14:35.10 | Flimzy | stew: hrm |
| 14:35.27 | duckx | stew: man 7 debconf says you can set the DEBIAN_PRIORITY to change temporary the priority .. |
| 14:35.52 | duckx | stew: what could be the best place to put it ? rules file ? |
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| 14:38.54 | fredl | Hmm how does 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' make files end up in debian/package... |
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| 14:38.59 | fredl | exqz my ramblings :) |
| 14:39.07 | fredl | n/m |
| 14:39.07 | duckx | stew: thx for your help anyway ;) |
| 14:39.21 | stew | duckx: oh wait, you are talking about trying to set the prority in a maintainer script? you shouldn't be touching DEBIAN_PRIORITY in the maintainer scripts |
| 14:39.29 | charzero | muszek: Assuming you are using bash, "echo 'set EDITOR=vim' >> ~/.bashrc" |
| 14:39.49 | muszek | charzero: thank you again |
| 14:39.49 | charzero | muszek: That will set it when you login. to set it now, either "set EDITOR=vim" or "source ~/.bashrc" |
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| 14:40.09 | charzero | muszek: Actually, where I said "set", type "export" |
| 14:40.20 | charzero | I am confusing csh and bash |
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| 14:41.10 | fredl | stew - I have a relatively simple source tree, all sits in /var/www/usertracking2. I checked out my svn trunk in /var/www/usertracking2-0.6.0 and in /var/www/usertracking2-0.6.0 I ran the dh_make command.... |
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| 14:41.21 | rindolf | Hi all! |
| 14:41.38 | fredl | in /var/www/usertracking2-0.6.0 I have a Makefile, make install installs it all in /var/www/usertracking2 |
| 14:41.45 | rindolf | I have several shutdown processes stuck in D state. Is there anything I can do to kill them? |
| 14:42.34 | duckx | stew: well I am currently testing setting it in the rules file |
| 14:42.53 | fredl | stew - so what you were just saying earlier, would that mean my make install should be rewritten so it installs in /var/www/usertracking2-package1, /var/www/usertracking2-package2 etc. ? |
| 14:42.53 | stew | duckx: in debian/rules? huh? why? |
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| 14:43.06 | boguh | hi, i want to mount a partition as root that a user can read from it. how to do that? |
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| 14:43.36 | capiira | hi people anyone know the name of a nice xml editor ? |
| 14:43.52 | capiira | + schema editor too |
| 14:44.05 | rindolf | capiira: Eclipse has an XML editing mode. |
| 14:44.06 | fredl | stew, I mean, I'm using 'fakeroot debian/rules binary' in /var/www/usertracking2-0.6.0, which will install the files in /var/www/usertracking2-0.6.0/debian/usertracking2, correct? |
| 14:44.13 | rindolf | capiira: and so does Quanta. |
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| 14:44.25 | stew | fredl: if you want the files for package1 to be installed to /var/www/usertracking2-packge1 when they install the package, then your makefiles should be installing the files to $sourcedirectory/debian/package1/var/www/usertracking2-package1 |
| 14:44.27 | Replico | will redhats gfs open source work on debian? |
| 14:44.41 | Replico | global file system |
| 14:44.47 | duckx | stew: well I need it for my config and maybe in postinst script |
| 14:44.49 | capiira | does it have some kind of spreadsheet view? |
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| 14:44.55 | stew | fredl: make install shouldn' be actually installing files to locations outside of the $sourcedirectory/debian tree |
| 14:45.09 | Edwin_Quijada | TRhere is app for wireless card for console? |
| 14:45.14 | muszek | charzero: I have "set EDITOR=vim" (w/o quotes) at the end of my ~/.bashrc , then I exitted this session, connected again... and crontab still open's in mc's editor |
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| 14:45.31 | duckx | stew: Currently setting the variable DEBIAN_PRIORITY in both package.config and package.postinst did not worked ... :( |
| 14:45.44 | stew | duckx: no, you shouldn't definately not be touching DEBIAN_PRIORITY in either of those places. the variable is for the end user |
| 14:45.45 | fredl | stew - but that's what most Makefiles do, correct? But that's why we use fakeroot, or am I mistaken? |
| 14:46.10 | duckx | stew: so what should I do ? Any idea ? |
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| 14:46.25 | fredl | stew - I mean changing the makefile to accomodate building a debian package, is that the right approach? |
| 14:46.52 | duckx | stew: I set the -s option to db-config, but logicaly it did not change debconf behavior .. |
| 14:46.52 | stew | fredl: you are mistaken. it should be setting DESTDIR to debian/tmp or debian/packagename so that it installs files to $(pwd)/debian/tmp/var/www/... instead of /var/www/... |
| 14:47.06 | Edwin_Quijada | There is app to monitoring wifi network froom console |
| 14:47.18 | pumpkin0 | how can i convert a wav/MP3 into AAC ? somehow sox does not like it. |
| 14:47.23 | fredl | aaaah okay. |
| 14:47.28 | fredl | gotcha |
| 14:47.52 | pumpkin0 | Edward_TLS: basic info: "iwconfig". |
| 14:48.00 | pumpkin0 | Edwin_Quijada: ^^^ |
| 14:48.15 | guybrush | hi after installing kernel 2.6.18-1-686 my system won't boot and displays the messaged u can see at http://channels.debian.net/paste/5307 |
| 14:48.17 | muszek | charzero: similar thing with my desktop (Ubuntu)... I set what you told me to and crontab is opened with nano |
| 14:48.40 | Edwin_Quijada | pumpkin0: iwconfig can get wifi networks in the area? |
| 14:48.58 | Justin | guybrush: vmware? |
| 14:49.03 | guybrush | no |
| 14:49.19 | guybrush | i uess u remember yesterday (msgtotheppl) |
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| 14:49.44 | guybrush | i installed kernel image 2.6.18 with the commands given there |
| 14:49.47 | pumpkin0 | Edwin_Quijada: iwconfig tells you which network you are connected to. iwlist will get you a list of all networks around. |
| 14:49.51 | duckx | stew: Well don't worry any more ... |
| 14:49.51 | guybrush | now my debian dowesn't boot |
| 14:49.59 | duckx | My soft is not that dumb |
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| 14:50.18 | duckx | Commenting out the host falls back to 127.0.0.1 ... |
| 14:50.21 | Edwin_Quijada | thks! pumpkin0 |
| 14:50.29 | duckx | That is exactly what I expected |
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| 14:51.11 | Justin | guybrush: VMWARE? |
| 14:51.43 | guybrush | <Justin> NO |
| 14:52.19 | Justin | guybrush: ah, HCF modem or something? |
| 14:52.30 | guybrush | no debian does not boot |
| 14:52.43 | guybrush | that's the problem |
| 14:52.53 | Justin | guybrush: do you, or do you not have an HCF modem? |
| 14:53.05 | guybrush | <Justin> no |
| 14:53.46 | thnee | /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 start tells me that it cant remove /var/lib/tomcat5.5/conf/catalina.policy and just exits.. also, after that it never told med that again. any ideas? |
| 14:53.54 | Justin | guybrush: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Trying+to+automatically+build+the+driver+modules...%22 |
| 14:54.46 | Flimzy | Is there a D-I specific IRC channel? |
| 14:55.23 | abrotman | Flimzy: #debian-boot on OFTC |
| 14:55.26 | stew | Flimzy: #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 14:55.36 | guybrush | <Justin> that doesn't help |
| 14:55.38 | Flimzy | thanks guys |
| 14:55.54 | guybrush | i just wanna know: there's a way to fix without losing current config and files ? |
| 14:55.55 | Justin | guybrush: let's try this again |
| 14:55.56 | Justin | guybrush: do you, or do you not have an HCF modem? |
| 14:56.03 | guybrush | <Justin> NO |
| 14:56.09 | fredl | hey stew, you mind if I open a window in which I message you? |
| 14:56.12 | stew | Flimzy: its fine if you are experiencing bugs, but it is not a channel for mundane installer questions |
| 14:56.19 | Justin | guybrush: then why do you appear to have the HCF modem package installed? |
| 14:56.26 | fredl | otherwise the stuff rolls off of my screen too quickly :) |
| 14:56.26 | duckx | stew: would it be possible that you review my package when it will be quite finished ? |
| 14:56.33 | guybrush | <Justin> dunno |
| 14:56.41 | stew | fredl: how about #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 14:56.48 | Justin | guybrush: remove it then |
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| 14:56.56 | fredl | oh... well there's a thought :) |
| 14:56.58 | fredl | tnx! |
| 14:57.11 | guybrush | can't do anything the system stalls after that message |
| 14:57.31 | Justin | guybrush: boot in rescue mode |
| 14:57.47 | guybrush | does the same |
| 14:57.48 | stew | duckx: sure as long as its free software. there is also lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
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| 14:58.25 | duckx | K, well I will send it to mentor :) |
| 14:58.29 | duckx | You will catch it |
| 14:58.39 | duckx | The name of the package is perfparse |
| 14:58.48 | duckx | A performance parser for nagios |
| 14:59.25 | Flimzy | stew: aye |
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| 14:59.37 | Flimzy | stew: it's actually a coworker who's experiencing possible bugs |
| 14:59.39 | Edwin_Quijada | cactis Vs Nagios |
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| 15:01.22 | Ronin | Edwin_Quijada: football teams? |
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| 15:01.38 | abrotman | Flimzy: did oyu try asking us ? |
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| 15:09.04 | abrotman | daxxar: which version of debian ? |
| 15:09.47 | scy | hi. is there any way to get the value of CONFIG_HZ through /proc? i need it for an application. and /proc/config.gz is no solution because it doesn't exist everywhere |
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| 15:13.04 | rgsteele | Hey guys. What does apt-get tell dpkg to do when you provide it with the install option? |
| 15:13.18 | rgsteele | Or, maybe my question is better phrased as how could I use dpkg instead of apt-get? (I've got a box with a reallly screwed up dependency such that apt-get is broken) |
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| 15:14.17 | guybrush | can somebody help me ??? |
| 15:14.56 | abrotman | rgsteele: man dpkg |
| 15:15.06 | rgsteele | abrotman: Did that. dpkg -i didn't work |
| 15:15.35 | abrotman | error ? |
| 15:15.41 | rgsteele | Aye |
| 15:16.01 | rgsteele | tbl: relocation error: tbl: symbol _ZTVN10__cxxabiv117__class_type_infoE, version CXXABI_1.3 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference |
| 15:16.05 | rgsteele | The library is missing |
| 15:16.12 | rgsteele | I really just need that library (something blew it away) |
| 15:16.20 | rgsteele | And so many things depend on it, my options are really limited |
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| 15:18.27 | guybrush | can somebody help me ??? |
| 15:18.29 | thelostbutler | hello folks, does anybody know of a guide that can be used to test the KVM feature in the 2.6.20 kernel on debian ? |
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| 15:19.59 | cubiq | Has mkinitrd become depreciated or? |
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| 15:21.13 | stew | cubiq: yes for kernels > 2.6.13 |
| 15:21.31 | guybrush | <stew> got some time to help me? |
| 15:21.37 | stew | i never said that |
| 15:21.50 | cubiq | stew: And what tool can I symlink to get the same result |
| 15:22.57 | stew | cubiq: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:23.09 | cubiq | etch |
| 15:23.26 | cubiq | stew: 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 15:23.58 | stew | cubiq: use mkinitrafs from intramfs-tools or use yaird if you are trying to avoid udev |
| 15:24.00 | cubiq | stew: I have a driver installation that uses mkinitrd |
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| 15:24.11 | rgsteele | abrotman: I ended up taking a little used box in the office, hosing it by changing the sources.list to etch and grabbing libstdc++6.so, and then scp'ing it to the box in question. |
| 15:24.16 | stew | cubiq: what driver? what does it do? |
| 15:24.25 | stew | cubiq: i mean how does the driver use mkinitrd? |
| 15:24.26 | cubiq | stew: Raid controller.. |
| 15:24.31 | stew | guybrush: what exactly is the problem? |
| 15:24.55 | guybrush | the system just hangs with the message described @ http://channels.debian.net/paste/530 |
| 15:24.59 | cubiq | stew: I think it uses mkinitrd to update the initrd file |
| 15:25.06 | guybrush | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5307. |
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| 15:25.30 | stew | guybrush: how did you install that kernel? did you build it? is it from testing? is it from bpo? |
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| 15:25.49 | stew | why do people still use /usr/src/linux? |
| 15:25.59 | guybrush | i just typed apt-get install etc as suggested by one there |
| 15:26.18 | stew | guybrush: did you isntall it from testing/unstable or backports.org? |
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| 15:26.45 | guybrush | backports is enabled bu all i know is i did apt-get kenrel image ramtools etc |
| 15:26.52 | guybrush | it installed and removed hotplug |
| 15:27.09 | guybrush | now i can't boot neither with the old kernel neithe with th new |
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| 15:28.26 | stew | guybrush: why wont the old kernel boot? |
| 15:29.01 | guybrush | it attempts to launch xfree86 but fails and i lay on the shell |
| 15:29.05 | Justin | guybrush: boot in rescue mode |
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| 15:29.14 | guybrush | justin it does the same |
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| 15:29.43 | Justin | guybrush: boot with init=/bin/sh |
| 15:29.45 | stew | guybrush: does /lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686 exist? |
| 15:29.55 | thelostbutler | stew: why shouldn't one use /usr/src/linux ? |
| 15:29.58 | stew | Justin: why? what is wrong with /sbin/init? |
| 15:30.06 | abrotman | rgsteele: eh .. weird |
| 15:30.12 | stew | thelostbutler: for the reasons listed in /usr/src/linux/README |
| 15:30.12 | Justin | stew: he seems to think there is something wrong with it |
| 15:30.39 | rgsteele | abrotman: Yeah. Oh well, that box wasn't doing anything important anyways. Just a good reason now to dist-upgade it :) |
| 15:30.47 | guybrush | yes /lib/modules/2.6.18-1-686 exists |
| 15:30.50 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:31.21 | thelostbutler | stew: thanks :) |
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| 15:31.28 | stew | guybrush: what version does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-1-686" say for Installed: ? |
| 15:31.59 | guybrush | stew i can't run commands just see files i've to boot on windows |
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| 15:32.08 | stew | guybrush: why can't you run commands? |
| 15:32.18 | guybrush | i'm on windows linux doen't boot |
| 15:32.24 | stew | guybrush: the old kernel boots |
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| 15:32.44 | guybrush | arrives at a shell but can't use internet |
| 15:32.46 | ^rob^ | howdy |
| 15:32.47 | guybrush | ;( |
| 15:33.09 | stew | guybrush: you don't need the internet to run "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-1-486" |
| 15:33.18 | stew | guybrush: why can't you use the internet? |
| 15:33.27 | siyb | hi, is there a debian image for usb stick installation, i have never done it and all howtos i found are quiet old |
| 15:33.30 | guybrush | the modem drivers fails |
| 15:33.36 | stew | siyb: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 15:33.44 | guybrush | so it means i ve o reboot try then reboot and tell |
| 15:33.46 | guybrush | ;( |
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| 15:33.54 | siyb | thx stew |
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| 15:34.20 | Justin | guybrush: REMOVE THE MODEM DRIVES |
| 15:34.24 | siyb | that's the howto i got, kay will try that one |
| 15:34.25 | stew | huh? |
| 15:34.38 | stew | what does a modem drive have to do with anything |
| 15:34.45 | guybrush | btw why apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 if i've a 686 imge ? |
| 15:34.47 | Justin | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5307 |
| 15:34.58 | Justin | 09:55 < Justin> guybrush: do you, or do you not have an HCF modem? |
| 15:34.58 | Justin | 09:56 < guybrush> <Justin> NO |
| 15:35.30 | stew | Justin: what do modems have to do with anything |
| 15:35.36 | Justin | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5307 |
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| 15:35.49 | stew | Justin: yes. i've seen that |
| 15:35.55 | stew | guybrush: sorry, 686, not 486 |
| 15:35.59 | Justin | stew: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Trying+to+automatically+build+the+driver+modules...%22 |
| 15:36.31 | Justin | his only problem seems to be that he has a crappy modem driver installed for a modem that he does not even have |
| 15:36.53 | guybrush | Justin : ... system always worked fine |
| 15:37.00 | guybrush | (before update) |
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| 15:37.12 | guybrush | and i updated since the old kernel won't support my card reader |
| 15:37.25 | Justin | guybrush: so? who cares. your CURRENT problem is due to the modem driver |
| 15:37.26 | guybrush | now i can't use old and new |
| 15:37.40 | guybrush | the only modem driver installed is eagle-usb |
| 15:37.42 | stew | guybrush: why can't you use the internet with the old kernel? |
| 15:37.50 | stew | guybrush: how did you install eagle-usb? |
| 15:38.10 | guybrush | apt-get |
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| 15:38.19 | stew | guybrush: what pacakge did you install? |
| 15:38.20 | guybrush | and it worked very nice |
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| 15:39.05 | guybrush | eagle-usb-data_2.1.1-2_all.deb and others |
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| 15:39.38 | leethal | is this the right place to ask "why won't my ia64 netinst cd image boot?" questions? (yes, other images boot, it's this particular one that's troublesome) |
| 15:40.40 | stew | guybrush: did you use module-assistant? |
| 15:41.17 | guybrush | for eagle : yes |
| 15:41.17 | guybrush | btw that worked |
| 15:41.17 | sep | leethal, what other images have you used ? |
| 15:41.18 | lilferry | leethal: maybe a bad burn or bad download. |
| 15:41.18 | stew | guybrush: for the old kernel or the new kerel? |
| 15:41.18 | leethal | sep: well, a old mandriva image, an ubuntu image and a (grr) xp disc too |
| 15:41.18 | lilferry | leethal: check md5-sums |
| 15:41.29 | leethal | ah, md5, good idea |
| 15:41.38 | guybrush | practically: the new kernel at boot messes the xfree86 config to suit its need and old kernel botts up to the shell but fails to load ui |
| 15:41.44 | guybrush | old |
| 15:41.52 | guybrush | in the new i installed nothing |
| 15:41.57 | leethal | this is not a "known" issue with the netinst ISO? |
| 15:41.58 | stew | guybrush: wait. how does the kenrel mess with the xfre86 config? |
| 15:42.00 | sep | leethal, what cpu do you have in that box ? |
| 15:42.01 | guybrush | it stalls from the very first boot |
| 15:42.09 | guybrush | dunno |
| 15:42.10 | leethal | sep: a 64 bit one |
| 15:42.16 | stew | guybrush: what makes you say you can't use the internet from the old kernel? |
| 15:42.20 | sep | leethal, obviously, but wich one |
| 15:42.33 | leethal | sep: amd dual core thingie, 3800 something |
| 15:42.42 | sep | leethal, this is the known issue, of "user have no idea what he's doing" |
| 15:42.50 | stew | leethal: wait, ubuntu doesn't have an ia64 image |
| 15:42.52 | sep | you must use the i386 or the AMD64 cd |
| 15:42.52 | guybrush | even if i do startadsl it says interface not created |
| 15:42.57 | leethal | sep: heh, I've installed linux before |
| 15:42.58 | sep | NOT THE IA64 |
| 15:43.00 | sep | !ia64 |
| 15:43.01 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64 |
| 15:43.05 | leethal | sep: yarr, had no idea |
| 15:43.06 | guybrush | and btw how do i use IRC from prompt ? |
| 15:43.06 | stew | leethal: are you positive that you have an ia64 and not an amd64? |
| 15:43.19 | leethal | sep: no idea, I saw 64 and went "yay" *click* |
| 15:43.40 | leethal | not exactly high end usability that debian site, but I guess you can blame me too |
| 15:43.45 | sep | leethal, use the i386 cd |
| 15:43.51 | sep | unless you know you need AMD64 |
| 15:44.08 | sep | eg if you have more then 4GB ram |
| 15:44.12 | leethal | sep: some dude said go 64! but I'll take your word for it |
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| 15:44.57 | thelostbutler | leethal: are you looking for this ? http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
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| 15:45.28 | stew | guybrush: does the eagledsl kernel module get loaded? |
| 15:45.30 | leethal | hm, a port.. I guess I'll stick with i386 |
| 15:45.47 | stew | guybrush: the eagleusb is your only way to the internet? |
| 15:45.50 | guybrush | no, but if i do modprobe it loads |
| 15:45.52 | guybrush | yes |
| 15:45.58 | sep | leethal, AMD64 is official from etch, but if you dont NEED amd64 it's just complicating things for yourself |
| 15:46.00 | |zetetic| | hi all. I'm having problems with alacarte menu editor. For instance: I can't delete or rename menus on Debian Menu. Alacarte seems completely broken :( |
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| 15:46.20 | guybrush | btw using apt-get and a debian cd |
| 15:46.22 | guybrush | i can fix ? |
| 15:46.32 | guybrush | mean apt-get (old kernel-image) |
| 15:46.34 | guybrush | may fix ? |
| 15:46.36 | |zetetic| | anyone can point me to a sloution to these problems with alacarte? |
| 15:46.44 | leethal | sep: kay, doing that. thanks |
| 15:47.02 | stew | guybrush: probably, but i don't see why you can't fix the old kernel |
| 15:47.17 | guybrush | 'cause the kernl itself fworks |
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| 15:47.22 | guybrush | but xfree looks messed |
| 15:47.24 | stew | guybrush: did you recently install newer eagle-usb-*? like new eagle-usb-utils? |
| 15:47.24 | guybrush | or better |
| 15:47.32 | guybrush | it dispays a blue on grey dialog box |
| 15:47.44 | guybrush | and says there was an error |
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| 15:47.52 | guybrush | and the gui don't start |
| 15:47.59 | crazy_penguin | Hello to all! |
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| 15:48.08 | stew | guybrush: what is the error? |
| 15:48.31 | guybrush | i didn't paper note that |
| 15:48.36 | guybrush | if it is saved to logfiles |
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| 15:48.42 | guybrush | i can still read files |
| 15:48.46 | stew | guybrush: /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 15:50.44 | guybrush | No core pointer - Fatal server error: |
| 15:50.44 | guybrush | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.07 | stew | guybrush: add mousedev and psmouse to /etc/modules |
| 15:51.46 | stew | guybrush: each on their own line |
| 15:51.58 | infernix | how can i get dpkg-buildpackage to use an older version of gcc (e.g. gcc-3.4) on etch? |
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| 15:52.31 | infernix | export CC=gcc-3.4 i guess, but do I need more exports to make sure it uses all 3.4 tools? |
| 15:52.49 | guybrush | psmuose is already there |
| 15:52.51 | stew | infernix: depends on the makefile, hopefully that is enough, some will also look at HOSTCC |
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| 15:53.51 | infernix | stew: so CC and CXX before configuring, and check the makefile before compiling, correct? |
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| 15:54.25 | guybrush | rebooting and trying... |
| 15:54.34 | stew | infernix: depends on the makefile, but i would expect to have to set CC during compilation |
| 15:54.47 | stew | infernix: i mean i would expect to need to have it set during compilation |
| 15:54.52 | stew | infernix: not just configuring |
| 15:55.09 | infernix | ok, i'll look into it. thanks. |
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| 15:58.01 | Blackhold | hello, anyone knows some tool to manage acl more easy than use them with setfacl and getfacl? |
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| 16:00.25 | bodq | hello |
| 16:01.39 | bodq | I asked yesterday what tool can I use to browse 200kx200k pixel images |
| 16:01.39 | bodq | display apparently doesn't work |
| 16:01.39 | bodq | it does start up, but the resulting image is blank |
| 16:01.40 | bodq | any other tools I could use |
| 16:02.19 | bodq | xdr: IIRC, that was you who suggested display. sorry if I'm wrong. |
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| 16:02.19 | Justin | bodq: nasa has a program for displaying huge images |
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| 16:02.29 | bodq | Justin: can you suggest a name? is it bundled with debian? |
| 16:02.37 | karmatronic | bodq: no, it was me :) |
| 16:02.38 | Justin | bodq: dunno, and no |
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| 16:02.47 | Justin | bodq: I'm sure you could find it on nasas site |
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| 16:05.34 | MsgToThePpl | stew - ok with the mousedev added to modules the old kernel works |
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| 16:06.39 | MsgToThePpl | and dsl is ok after dpkg reconfigure eagle-usb.utils |
| 16:06.42 | bodq | the name is BigView |
| 16:06.51 | bodq | the url is opensource.arc.nasa.gov |
| 16:06.53 | bodq | I'll try it out |
| 16:06.55 | bodq | thanks! |
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| 16:09.43 | EvilDin | hi, how could i find one string in file, i have more files to search for, how could i make this? |
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| 16:10.39 | sep | EvilDin, man grep ? |
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| 16:11.21 | stew | MsgToThePpl: what version does "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.18-1-686" report for "Installed:" |
| 16:11.21 | EvilDin | :( |
| 16:11.31 | stew | MsgToThePpl: and why did you decide to upgrade your kenrel in the first place? |
| 16:11.49 | MsgToThePpl | Installato: 2.6.18-3~bpo.2 - |
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| 16:12.02 | bodq | how would I know where GLwDrawA.h is? |
| 16:12.07 | bodq | in what packages, that is |
| 16:12.29 | MsgToThePpl | 'casue i see my card reader as peripheral |
| 16:12.29 | |zetetic| | no one knows what's happening with alacarte menu editor? I can't delete ou rename menu items with it! |
| 16:12.37 | eisen_ | bodq: dpkg -S |
| 16:12.47 | MsgToThePpl | gs_map and gs-scan says i can use as /dev/sda |
| 16:12.49 | sep | bodq, by searching on packages.debian.org, or by installing apt-file and using that to search with |
| 16:12.50 | bodq | eisen_: no, for non-installed packages |
| 16:12.55 | MsgToThePpl | but mount sda1 sdb1 sdc1 fails |
| 16:12.55 | bodq | eisen_: can't get apt-file to work :( |
| 16:13.01 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: never saw this stuff working witch etch |
| 16:13.19 | bodq | oh |
| 16:13.19 | sep | bodq, then use packages.debian.org |
| 16:13.20 | bodq | got it |
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| 16:13.25 | stew | MsgToThePpl: did you install the newer kernel with aptitude or apt-get? |
| 16:13.27 | agruman | hello im trying to compile some docs for a package it says i need latex, so i guess tetex-bin is the package of choice however it depends on x11-common, are there any package that suit me better ( i dont want no X on this machine ) saw on "tetex for debian" webpage that there was supposed to be a "tetex-bin-core" package but my apt doesnt have one of those. please help. |
| 16:13.33 | MsgToThePpl | apt-get |
| 16:13.36 | stew | that's too bad |
| 16:13.43 | MsgToThePpl | aptitude want to remove half of my installed stuff |
| 16:13.54 | h3sp4wn | bodq: you just have to be patient (use apt-file -v and you will see it is doing something) |
| 16:13.58 | junix | is there an issue with linux-tree-2.6.18-3-686 and linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686? I can't install it |
| 16:14.15 | stew | MsgToThePpl: is there media in your card reader now? |
| 16:14.29 | stew | junix: why can't you install them? |
| 16:14.30 | MsgToThePpl | yes |
| 16:14.31 | |zetetic| | karmatronic: so alacarte is broken? if so this is very, very bad. Working with menus is a very basic operating system task... |
| 16:14.38 | MsgToThePpl | but it always says no medium |
| 16:14.42 | bodq | I like the way in which my x-system-core is uninstalled when I install mesa-swraster |
| 16:14.48 | junix | stew: it says there is no installation candidate |
| 16:14.53 | bodq | *mesa-swrast |
| 16:15.01 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: yeah i know , that s a serious issue,and no on eseems to care |
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| 16:15.16 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: you re using etch , roght? |
| 16:15.20 | karmatronic | right? |
| 16:15.31 | stew | MsgToThePpl: can you run "modprobe -r usb-storage ; modprobe -r sd_mod; modprobe usb-storage ; modprobe sd_mod" and put the output of "dmesg | tail -50" into a pastebin? |
| 16:15.43 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: does it launch well ? |
| 16:15.47 | eisen_ | agruman: x11-common is very minimal |
| 16:15.57 | stew | junix: what version of debian are you running? |
| 16:16.11 | junix | unstable |
| 16:16.24 | |zetetic| | karmatronic: yes, I'm using debian etch. This is weird. How can't I change or rename menus with alacarte? This shuolb be an easy task |
| 16:16.35 | stew | junix: unstable no longer has -3, it has -4 now |
| 16:16.47 | junix | well crap |
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| 16:16.48 | |zetetic| | karmatronic: yes, it launches well, with no errors |
| 16:16.56 | junix | so i need to go to archives? |
| 16:17.07 | stew | junix: no, its still in etch |
| 16:17.12 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: maybe i m mistaken cos i think it s working on my laptop which is also working with etch , but it doesnt launch in my pc |
| 16:17.13 | junix | huh? |
| 16:17.24 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: pc is also with etch |
| 16:17.32 | stew | junix: -3 is still in testing, you can get it from testing or from pdo |
| 16:17.43 | junix | pdo?? |
| 16:17.55 | stew | junix: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 16:17.59 | junix | k |
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| 16:18.54 | MsgToThePpl | stew - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5308. |
| 16:19.13 | |zetetic| | karmatronic: I' m googling a lot, in order to find a solution, But till now I was not able to find any solution. Also I am searching on Forums, Ubuntu Forums included. It seems a lot of people have the some king of problems with alacarte |
| 16:19.40 | |zetetic| | king = kind |
| 16:20.18 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: well the first of us who finds it gets invited to a beer |
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| 16:20.57 | stew | MsgToThePpl: can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda /dev/sdb /deb/sdc /dev/sg0 /dev/sg1 /dev/sg2" ? |
| 16:21.49 | |zetetic| | karmatronic: ok, only thing better than a free operating system is a free beer :) |
| 16:22.12 | Ronin | |zetetic|: umm free sex best of all |
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| 16:22.31 | karmatronic | Ronin: free sex is more complicated |
| 16:22.32 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 16:22.37 | MsgToThePpl | stew - Disk /dev/sdc: 1015 MB, 1015808000 bytes |
| 16:22.40 | Ronin | karmatronic: always is |
| 16:22.48 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk (Gatekeeper) |
| 16:23.05 | stew | MsgToThePpl: is there a filesystem on the media? are there partitions? |
| 16:23.12 | hark | |zetetic|: easier to just edit them manually |
| 16:23.22 | MsgToThePpl | yes partition 1 is fat16 |
| 16:23.35 | |zetetic| | hark: how can I edit them manually? |
| 16:23.42 | enouf | has no idea why alacarte isn't associated with Burgers more often |
| 16:23.43 | karmatronic | |zetetic|: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alacarte/+bug/75101 |
| 16:23.45 | stew | MsgToThePpl: are you sure its a partition and not directly on the disk? |
| 16:23.48 | agruman | eisen_ thanks, seems like there only are 2 packages with latex and both depends on x11-common, going for texlive-latex-base |
| 16:24.00 | stew | MsgToThePpl: can you mount it from some other operating system? is there data on it you need to save? |
| 16:24.01 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: modprobe -a fat vfat |
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| 16:24.25 | MsgToThePpl | fdisk says "/dev/sdc1 * 1 7749 991856 6 FAT16" |
| 16:25.04 | stew | MsgToThePpl: can you pastebin the output of "fdisk -l /dev/sda /dev/sdb /deb/sdc /dev/sg0 /dev/sg1 /dev/sg2" ? |
| 16:25.10 | enouf | meh .. pastebin the output of what stew asked |
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| 16:26.07 | hark | |zetetic|: it depends on what you are trying to edit... but reading the help docs (Gnome System Admin guide using..say yelp) would help ;) |
| 16:26.27 | enouf | man update-menus? |
| 16:26.32 | stew | egonw: 1.0~rc1-1 is considered older than 1.0-1 |
| 16:26.33 | |zetetic| | karmatronic: thanks for your link, but the owner of my home directory it's me, not root. So the cause of my problems is elsewhere |
| 16:26.53 | egonw | stew: and the '~' in the upstead orig.tar.gz filename is no problem? |
| 16:26.58 | hark | that's just for the Debian menu |
| 16:27.02 | egonw | upstead -> upstream |
| 16:27.06 | stew | egonw: correct |
| 16:27.11 | egonw | stew: ok, thanx! |
| 16:27.18 | MsgToThePpl | stew - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5309. |
| 16:27.23 | stew | egonw: if you run "dpkg -l | grep \~" you'll find other packages doing this |
| 16:27.30 | enouf | yeah hark, I see that now .. heh, why use anything else |
| 16:27.30 | |zetetic| | hark: where can I find the Gnome System Admin Guide? |
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| 16:28.00 | stew | MsgToThePpl: what happens when you run "mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt"? |
| 16:28.14 | MsgToThePpl | says no medium |
| 16:28.23 | stew | MsgToThePpl: what does "ls -l /dev/sdc1" say? |
| 16:28.26 | MsgToThePpl | btw thx for ur time |
| 16:28.42 | MsgToThePpl | just a thing why aptitude wants to half-remove my os ? |
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| 16:29.03 | hark | |zetetic|: if you use Gnome, just run yelp or using the menu choose help and Desktop. There's a section explaining the menu system |
| 16:29.07 | stew | MsgToThePpl: put the command you are typing and the output of aptitude into a pastebin |
| 16:29.50 | |zetetic| | hark: thanks, I will do that :) |
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| 16:30.53 | eisen_ | agruman: x11-common basically just is the directory structure afaik. no libs or anything. |
| 16:31.19 | hark | |zetetic|: environment varibles may not be used as per Debian policy, so they will be in their default paths normally. |
| 16:31.36 | pestilence | aack! my machine is not booting.... "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!" |
| 16:31.43 | pestilence | how do i debug this? |
| 16:32.10 | karmatronic | pestilence: probably a missing driver needed by the system |
| 16:32.18 | karmatronic | pestilence: how did you reach this situation ? |
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| 16:32.44 | g333k_work | Hello, my laptop turns off when it is inactive, in the /var/log/syslog appears a error about ACPI, any clue how to solve that?, check the lines 16 in advance |
| 16:32.59 | MsgToThePpl | stew - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5310. - and says the same if i want to install kernel images and other |
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| 16:33.20 | pestilence | karmatronic: the machine crashed overnight. i came in this morning and rebooted it. |
| 16:33.31 | pestilence | karmatronic: there are 6 raids attached on the scsi bus |
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| 16:33.45 | pestilence | one of them had the "scsi bus" light lit, which it shouldn't have. |
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| 16:34.29 | pestilence | i've now removed all scsi devices, and am seeing if it will boot (it takes a long time) |
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| 16:36.14 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: put output of; lsmod | egrep 'us|sd|sr|sc|hcd' into a pastebin |
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| 16:38.28 | |zetetic| | hark: unfortunatle yelp only has information related to basic skills. In no way it gives information about "manual" ways of changing or deleting menu items |
| 16:38.36 | |zetetic| | unfortunately |
| 16:38.47 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: modprobe -a fat vfat <-- do that yet? |
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| 16:39.52 | hark | |zetetic|: what did you want to change in the menu? |
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| 16:40.07 | stew | MsgToThePpl: can you pastebin the output of "LANG=c apt-cache policy kopete" ? |
| 16:40.18 | enouf | hrm .. what's the command to get English output from the CLI, no matter the locale setting .. is it LC_ALL=C or..? |
| 16:40.29 | enouf | ahh .. doh |
| 16:40.30 | stew | MsgToThePpl: and what does "ls -l /dev/sdc1" say? |
| 16:40.40 | stew | hmm, maybe its C not c |
| 16:40.45 | stew | either way should work |
| 16:41.10 | sgeigerbot | HELP would be appreciated greatly: I've added this to my apache config in the hopes of enabling cgi: <Directory /opt/local/apache2/htdocs/pwyky/> AllowOverride All Options Indexes FollowSymLinks +ExecCGI Order allow,deny </Directory> HOWEVER, I keep getting this in the error log: [Thu Feb 08 10:25:48 2007] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] client denied by server configuration: /opt/local/apache2/htdocs/pwyky/index.cgi |
| 16:41.27 | enouf | I wonder what file -s /dev/sdc1 outputs |
| 16:41.40 | |zetetic| | hark: I want to delete some menu items and rename some others. For instance, on Debian Menu I have the item "Junior Arcade-2". And I want to rename it to "Junior Arcade". I also want to dele the item "Childsplay" on the Debian Games menu, but I can't |
| 16:41.47 | stew | sgeigerbot: do you need an "Allow from all" perhaps? |
| 16:41.53 | stew | probably not |
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| 16:43.07 | sgeigerbot | stew: Yes, that is apparently part of it. However, the script index.cgi was output as text instead of being executed. What else do I need to do? |
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| 16:43.20 | hark | |zetetic|: look in /usr/share/menu/ |
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| 16:44.25 | stew | sgeigerbot: AddHandler cgi-script .cgi ? |
| 16:45.59 | sgeigerbot | stew: nice! Thank you! |
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| 16:46.16 | stew | sgeigerbot: you're welcome |
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| 16:47.24 | enouf | !sdj |
| 16:47.25 | dpkg | from memory, sdj is She's Dead Jim! |
| 16:47.37 | Tallu | she is? oh no! |
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| 16:48.06 | |zetetic| | hark: there's nothing there related to my problem. I also looked on /usr/share/applications |
| 16:48.49 | enouf | man update-menus for the Debian menus .. so it seems |
| 16:48.53 | |zetetic| | hark: i gota go now, thanks for your help. pearhaps I should wait for a new alacarte version. this one seems broken :( |
| 16:49.02 | hark | |zetetic|: /var/lib/gnome/Debian/Games/ ? |
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| 16:50.18 | |zetetic| | hark: that looks promissing! tnahks, I will check it out! |
| 16:50.46 | christopherl | how do I copy a folders content to another folder using command line? |
| 16:51.21 | Tallu | christopherl: man cp :) |
| 16:51.34 | gmcinnes | Hi all: Does anybody know if a netinst cd is mounted during a second stage install? And if so where it's mounted? |
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| 16:52.29 | enouf | !customer |
| 16:52.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 16:52.47 | hark | maybe try #bash ;) |
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| 16:53.56 | petemc | gmcinnes: alt f2 will get you a shell, type "mount" |
| 16:54.04 | petemc | oh, he bounced |
| 16:54.19 | gmcinnes | petemc: back :) thx. |
| 16:54.25 | petemc | ah :) |
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| 16:55.03 | daxxar | abrotman: Sorry for the late response. As I mentioned, I'm running testing. |
| 16:55.15 | abrotman | daxxar: what was the file again? |
| 16:55.23 | daxxar | sys/inotify.h |
| 16:55.32 | abrotman | !find sys/inotify.h etch |
| 16:55.33 | daxxar | If I use linux/inotify.h I get link errors. |
| 16:55.38 | kingsley | I'm happy to report that my /var/log/messages file caught diagnostic information from a kernel "oops". The information includes register values, a call trace and more. How does one use kernel oops information to diagnose a bug? |
| 16:55.40 | daxxar | Only in klibc and dietlibc :( |
| 16:55.48 | daxxar | (sys/notify.h, according to packages.debian.org) |
| 16:55.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sys/inotify.h' (2): (/usr/include/diet/sys/inotify.h) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/include/sys/inotify.h) in libdevel/libklibc-dev. |
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| 16:56.21 | abrotman | daxxar: hrm .. can you symlink it ? |
| 16:57.03 | daxxar | abrotman: Using it (linux/inotify.h) gives me link errors, so I guess something is wrong. :-P Google-hits tell me others have had similar problems, because sys/linux.h is supposedly from glibc. |
| 16:57.15 | kazukisan | I have a HP Pavilion dv6000z Laptop and i am trying to install debian, it has locked up on the installing software part ? |
| 16:57.24 | abrotman | daxxar: maybe ask #gcc or #gnu .. or email the libc maintainer |
| 16:57.33 | pestilence | ok i got the machine to boot, now it ends in a blank screen! |
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| 16:57.37 | daxxar | Okaydokay, thanks |
| 16:57.41 | abrotman | !maint libc6 |
| 16:57.45 | dpkg | libc6: GNU Libc Maintainers <debian-glibc@lists.debian.org> |
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| 16:57.51 | muszek | hi... how would I turn on syntax highlighting for php in vim? |
| 16:57.59 | abrotman | daxxar: i don't see any bugs about it |
| 16:58.04 | abrotman | :syntax on |
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| 16:58.08 | pestilence | and that was booting with the "recovery mode" option! |
| 16:58.09 | abrotman | muszek: or ask #vim |
| 16:58.15 | pestilence | ugh |
| 16:58.18 | daxxar | abrotman: Thanks, will do. :-) |
| 16:58.27 | muszek | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:59.05 | daxxar | abrotman: Can I email that address without subscribing to the list, just asking them to CC any replies to me? |
| 16:59.14 | abrotman | AFAIK .. yes |
| 16:59.19 | daxxar | Will try it, then. |
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| 17:08.29 | samyboy | Hello, would you (or should I ) trust dotdeb for a production server ? |
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| 17:08.49 | cydork | samyboy: nope we wont! |
| 17:09.04 | samyboy | argL! why ? |
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| 17:09.35 | cydork | samyboy: buggy packages :) |
| 17:09.58 | stew | samyboy: is there something you want from dotdeb that you can't get from backports.org? |
| 17:10.35 | samyboy | the same question : would you (or should I ) trust backports.org for a production server ? |
| 17:10.56 | stew | samyboy: yes |
| 17:11.04 | SerajewelKS | samyboy: backports is used quite widely from my understanding |
| 17:11.14 | stew | certainly a lot sooner than i'd trust dotdeb |
| 17:11.43 | Flimzy | samyboy: what is dotdeb? |
| 17:11.54 | stew | !dotdeb |
| 17:11.55 | dpkg | it has been said that dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 17:11.55 | samyboy | it's a php5/mysql5 rep |
| 17:11.56 | SerajewelKS | Flimzy: backports of LAMP for sarge |
| 17:11.58 | Ronin | Flimzy: just look it up :) |
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| 17:12.04 | Flimzy | SerajewelKS: ah |
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| 17:12.37 | samyboy | they're talking about it here : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/357 |
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| 17:13.24 | rokfit | does anyone know how to install firefox 32 on 64? |
| 17:13.44 | stew | rokfit: create a 32 bit chroot with debootstrap |
| 17:14.23 | samyboy | I am going to switch from fedora to Sarge because it seems to be *stable* |
| 17:14.39 | Tallu | definately is |
| 17:14.42 | cydork | samyboy: seems??? |
| 17:14.48 | Ronin | samyboy: most certainly is |
| 17:14.52 | abrotman | samyboy: if you wait a bit .. etch will be released .. and it has php5 and mysql5 |
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| 17:15.31 | Roey | !releases |
| 17:15.31 | dpkg | from memory, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 17:15.33 | samyboy | I would like to wait but I can't .. my boss is behind me |
| 17:15.38 | Flimzy | Is there an easy way to tell if a directory is empty in a bash script? |
| 17:16.00 | rokfit | stew, how do i do that? |
| 17:16.04 | abrotman | samyboy: fart or something .. drive him away! |
| 17:16.06 | Roey | !releasenames |
| 17:16.09 | rokfit | can't i just install the 32bit app? |
| 17:16.09 | abrotman | !release history |
| 17:16.10 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 17:16.20 | Roey | hmm. What comes after Etch then?! |
| 17:16.23 | abrotman | lenny |
| 17:16.25 | stew | rokfit: lenny |
| 17:16.27 | stew | err |
| 17:16.28 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 17:16.28 | dpkg | [lenny] the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 17:16.32 | Roey | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:16.33 | Roey | nice |
| 17:16.34 | stew | rokfit: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 17:16.36 | Roey | and after lenny? |
| 17:16.40 | Roey | like, where is the list |
| 17:16.41 | Roey | ? |
| 17:16.44 | Tallu | Roey: hasnt been decided yet i believe |
| 17:16.45 | abrotman | dunno yet. . not decided |
| 17:16.52 | Roey | Eenterestink |
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| 17:16.57 | stew | Roey: its up to the release managers to decide around the time that lenny is frozen |
| 17:17.11 | Tallu | that's going to take a while though. :P |
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| 17:17.39 | Roey | but you guys expect that there are still large-scale installations of woody (possibly even potato) still operating, yes? |
| 17:17.44 | rokfit | i'm totally lost |
| 17:18.07 | stew | rokfit: which version of debian do you want to install? |
| 17:18.22 | rokfit | i just want to install 32bit firefox to use flash on etch |
| 17:18.26 | rokfit | 64 etch |
| 17:18.42 | Roey | rokfit, there are two methods of doing that. |
| 17:18.46 | Roey | 1) bug troy |
| 17:18.52 | Roey | 2) with a chroot. |
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| 17:19.09 | rokfit | which do you recommend |
| 17:19.11 | Roey | troy unraue (he's on #kde) made a writeup |
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| 17:19.18 | abrotman | Roey: there could be a few .. |
| 17:19.19 | Roey | rokfit: troy's version, since you don't need a chroot |
| 17:19.26 | Roey | rokfit: as him for the link? |
| 17:19.27 | Roey | one sec |
| 17:19.33 | rokfit | thank you |
| 17:19.49 | abrotman | http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 17:19.52 | stew | rokfit: you need to use debootstrap to install a 32 bit version of debian in a chroot. mkdir /somewhere to create the directory then "debootstrap --arch i386 etch /somewhere" to install 32 bit debian to /somewhere, then chroot /somewhere to enter the 32 bit environment, or look into schroot |
| 17:20.25 | rokfit | stew can you send me a how-to link? |
| 17:20.32 | cydork | !chroot install |
| 17:20.33 | dpkg | from memory, chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 17:20.39 | thnee | smb traffic is blocked in our net, how can i set up a ssh tunnel so i can connect to my samba server from the outside? |
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| 17:21.24 | karmatronic | thnee: i would say you cant |
| 17:21.24 | cydork | hmm there is one on alioth also for amd64 .. |
| 17:21.30 | karmatronic | thnee: because |
| 17:21.37 | rokfit | Roey are you here? |
| 17:21.51 | Roey | yes |
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| 17:21.54 | Roey | yes I messaged him |
| 17:21.54 | slapark | Hello, my debian installation seems to freeze: Select and install software: 5% - Please wait.... Then nothing happens? - I downloaded the AMD64 etch cd. The processor inside the server is Dual Core XEON |
| 17:21.56 | rokfit | do you have a link? |
| 17:22.01 | thnee | karmatronic: because? |
| 17:22.08 | karmatronic | thnee: you would have to forward ports 135,139,445 but they are already listening from your windows box |
| 17:22.19 | stew | rokfit: http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292281 |
| 17:22.40 | rokfit | no i just need the 32 firefox install |
| 17:22.43 | rokfit | method 1 |
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| 17:23.24 | thnee | karmatronic: well thats true, but is it not possible to to like \\host:port\share ? |
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| 17:24.03 | Reiser_X | i need help with gnugk (Gatekeeper) |
| 17:24.04 | karmatronic | thnee: technically you would do ssh -L 135:samba_server:135 139:samba_server:139 445:samba_server:445 your_ssh_server |
| 17:24.13 | slapark | Hello, my debian installation seems to freeze: Select and install software: 5% - Please wait.... Then nothing happens? - I downloaded the AMD64 etch cd. The processor inside the server is Dual Core XEON |
| 17:24.33 | karmatronic | thnee: changing samba_server to 127.0.0.1 if ssh server and the samba server are the same host |
| 17:24.34 | grendal_prime | is there a standardized log server format? |
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| 17:25.10 | grendal_prime | i got this orion thing..solar winds, event forwarder, i would like to forward the data to a debian box. |
| 17:26.01 | thnee | karmatronic: and what is -R for then? |
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| 17:26.03 | karmatronic | thnee: i dont think you can set the port |
| 17:26.09 | thnee | that sucks |
| 17:26.15 | karmatronic | thnee: -R is totally different |
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| 17:26.29 | karmatronic | thnee: -R is the best tool of the world ! |
| 17:26.37 | grendal_prime | ya thnee that is to enable the -R stuff |
| 17:27.09 | thnee | karmatronic: i see |
| 17:27.10 | grendal_prime | related to the -R features of the app...do not confuse it with -r though totally different feature alltogether! |
| 17:27.21 | thnee | orly |
| 17:27.26 | slapark | Hello, my debian installation seems to freeze: Select and install software: 5% - Please wait.... Then nothing happens? - I downloaded the AMD64 etch cd. The processor inside the server is Dual Core XEON |
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| 17:28.11 | karmatronic | thnee: -R allows you to set remote port forwarding , which allows you to give access to the internal ressources of the network the client is in to anyone with ann account on your ssh box |
| 17:28.30 | enouf | slapark: it's a known issue, unfortunately I don't know the fix, perhaps try a fdaily build .. or a full CD |
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| 17:28.55 | enouf | er ..you have the cd .. just the daily build tehn |
| 17:29.01 | thnee | karmatronic: sounds like the same thing to me |
| 17:29.11 | karmatronic | thnee: no |
| 17:29.15 | cydork | slapark: try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org too. |
| 17:29.57 | slapark | Okay |
| 17:30.01 | karmatronic | thnee: -L youre behind a firewall and you want to reach a windows box which is behinf |
| 17:30.03 | slapark | i used: debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 17:30.05 | karmatronic | behind |
| 17:30.10 | enouf | last night Guerin made a comment for the/an op to maybe post something about it in the /topic .. but that's all I know |
| 17:30.22 | karmatronic | thnee: exactely the thing you re trying to do |
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| 17:30.43 | thnee | karmatronic: i want to reach my samba server which is inside |
| 17:31.09 | karmatronic | thnee: your samba server is inside ? |
| 17:31.18 | karmatronic | thnee: in that case you dont need ssh ... |
| 17:31.24 | pestilence | what does this mean: e1000: probe of 0000:02:06.0 failed with error -5 |
| 17:31.35 | thnee | karmatronic: yes i do, because smb traffic is blocked |
| 17:32.01 | karmatronic | thnee: i think i misunderstood |
| 17:32.32 | karmatronic | thnee: you are work and you want to reach a smb server outside the company firewall ,right ? |
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| 17:32.44 | karmatronic | you are at work ? |
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| 17:33.34 | karmatronic | the smb server is at your home network ,on the same subnet that the ssh server |
| 17:33.47 | thnee | karmatronic: i am at work yes, but thats not where the firewall is, the firewall is at my home network and it blocks smb traffic and my samba server is at home |
| 17:33.49 | R_Su | hi all, can any 1 help me about setup a pptpd vpn server under debian ? |
| 17:34.29 | thnee | karmatronic: me ----- internet ------ firewall ----- samba |
| 17:34.42 | karmatronic | thnee: right |
| 17:34.42 | grendal_prime | yuuuk |
| 17:34.44 | xerophyte_ | does anybody know any good program to organize the ebook i have lot i want a program to organize and search for it? |
| 17:34.51 | karmatronic | you have to use -L |
| 17:34.58 | thnee | allright |
| 17:35.00 | rokfit | shoot, had a visitor, can anyone link me to the firefox 32bit install on 64bit? |
| 17:35.10 | rokfit | with the first method |
| 17:35.33 | rokfit | bug troy |
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| 17:36.11 | rokfit | can anyone link me to bug troy |
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| 17:37.33 | slapark | enouf: I found the problem if i tab to forth screen i see this text: in-target: "To continue enter "yes"; to abort enter "No" |
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| 17:37.40 | slapark | enouf: but it |
| 17:37.52 | slapark | enouf: but its not possible for me to hit yes no were because it happens in the target |
| 17:37.56 | karmatronic | R_Su: youfirst need to compile your kernel for mppe_mppc support |
| 17:38.53 | karmatronic | thnee: you re doing it from a windows box right ? |
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| 17:39.08 | junix | i am trying to get all of the linux-header files, but i can't find them on the ftp site, where do i need to go, hat folder? |
| 17:39.11 | gismo | hello all |
| 17:39.13 | mortal5 | I have an ext3 file system mounted as ext2, could someone tell me why kjournal still comes on? |
| 17:39.18 | slapark | Hello, my debian installation seems to freeze: Select and install software: 5% - Please wait.... Then nothing happens? - I downloaded the AMD64 etch cd. The processor inside the server is Dual Core XEON - If i tab to the fourth screen i see: in-target: To continue enter "Yes"; to abort enter "no" - But it is not possible for me to enter yes at all. |
| 17:39.19 | thnee | karmatronic: yes i want to be able to get to the sambaserver from windowsclients anywhere on the internet |
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| 17:39.27 | R_Su | karmatronic: i've everything setup, run modprobe ppp-compress-18 && echo success will output success |
| 17:39.35 | craigevil | xerophyte_: tellico is a KDE collection manager for books, videos, music; there is also gutenbrowser |
| 17:39.55 | R_Su | karmatronic: the problem is this pptpd debian server is running inside a VPS |
| 17:40.08 | gismo | little question: How can I get the list of installed files using python-apt ? |
| 17:40.10 | grendal_prime | ok werid question |
| 17:40.19 | grendal_prime | who here is good with grub?? |
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| 17:40.49 | mortal5 | I have an ext3 file system mounted as ext2, could someone tell me why kjournal still comes on? |
| 17:40.51 | R_Su | karmatronic: and when i try to connect using VPN client, it always hangs on here (found in the log file): Connect: ppp0 <-> /dev/pts/1 |
| 17:41.10 | karmatronic | thnee: using putty ? |
| 17:41.13 | grendal_prime | and what i really need to know is is it possible to set up a dual boot system, that will default to one image, unless it fails and then it boots to a second image? |
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| 17:41.30 | karmatronic | thnee: forward port 137,138,139 and see if it works |
| 17:41.45 | R_Su | karmatronic: i wonder if this the VPS's problem , or my setup problem... |
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| 17:44.37 | thnee | karmatronic: on the linux box which runs samba i should do ssh -L 135:localhost:135 139:localhost:139 445:localhost:445 <what>? |
| 17:44.47 | karmatronic | thnee: no |
| 17:44.58 | karmatronic | thnee: you have to do that from the putty box |
| 17:44.59 | enouf | cydork: know anything about ia32-libs? .. it's only appears to be for stable according to pdo ..so likely wouldn't be available for an etch amd64 install? or ..does it come already with amd64, or does it just regressively grab that version? |
| 17:45.30 | thnee | karmatronic: no i have to do something on the linux box cause it is behind a firewall that blocks smb traffic.. |
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| 17:46.02 | cydork | enouf: http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/ia32-libs |
| 17:46.12 | karmatronic | thnee: as long as the samba server is in the same subnet that the ssh server |
| 17:46.30 | thnee | karmatronic: its the same computer... |
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| 17:46.35 | karmatronic | thnee: and that you can reach the ssh server through the firewall |
| 17:46.39 | enouf | cydork: I'm asking cause I was looking into it the other day, and was trying to follow up for my own knowledge concerning 32bit env within amd64 .. WTF? .. I'm sure I searched |
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| 17:46.43 | thnee | karmatronic: i can |
| 17:46.46 | karmatronic | thnee: it s a client issue |
| 17:46.57 | karmatronic | thnee: want to convince you ? |
| 17:47.12 | Reiser_X | Somebody here have gnugk (gatekeeper) installed? |
| 17:47.14 | thnee | karmatronic: orly, so the ssh server will just magically understand that it should forward traffic to some samba server? |
| 17:47.16 | Reiser_X | i need help |
| 17:47.32 | cydork | enouf: ia32-libs is probably the easiest way! |
| 17:47.35 | stoned | Reiser_X: wow man.. its been almost a week |
| 17:48.05 | Reiser_X | yeah |
| 17:48.09 | stoned | Reiser_X: still haven't got it to work eh |
| 17:48.16 | Reiser_X | no |
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| 17:48.20 | karmatronic | thnee: when the client tells the ssh server to forward port the ssh server does it |
| 17:48.23 | enouf | cydork: I see .. my stupid browser must not be auto-refreshing .. :-( |
| 17:48.25 | Reiser_X | the manual is not helpfull |
| 17:48.31 | karmatronic | thnee: for instance , |
| 17:48.34 | h3sp4wn | enouf: you can also just have a 32lib chroot and add to /etc/ld.so.conf.d the dir's of the libs you want |
| 17:48.52 | Reiser_X | stoned: i can see from server that the client is trying to connect |
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| 17:48.57 | karmatronic | thnee: forward port 1000 in putty to port 22 and address 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:49.15 | stoned | Reiser_X: email the devs and tell em the problem you're having and that some things are not sufficiently documented .. maybe? I dunno |
| 17:49.19 | enouf | h3sp4wn: I seee.. thanks |
| 17:49.40 | stoned | Reiser_X: they don't have their own forums or mailing lists or anything? |
| 17:49.45 | karmatronic | thnee: then login and open another putty session in ssh to host 127.0.0.1 and port 1000 and see how you re accessin the ssh server again |
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| 17:49.58 | Reiser_X | stoned: there is a help, but it cost 300$ |
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| 17:50.10 | karmatronic | thnee: without having touched anything in server configuration |
| 17:50.12 | stoned | Reiser_X: what is this thing that you're trying to get going? |
| 17:50.13 | Reiser_X | y 3 mail hours |
| 17:50.18 | Reiser_X | well |
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| 17:50.25 | Reiser_X | i installed gnugk server |
| 17:50.30 | stoned | WTF is that |
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| 17:50.37 | Reiser_X | but i can't connect using gnomemeeting |
| 17:50.39 | stoned | !wayttd |
| 17:50.39 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 17:50.43 | karmatronic | thnee: except habilitating port forwarding of course , which is default behaviour |
| 17:50.55 | Reiser_X | the server show the clients that try to connect |
| 17:51.02 | mikefoo | Say I have two servers that can route to each other and I want to transfer a file from server a to server b but ftpd, sshd, nor, httpd are running. |
| 17:51.08 | mikefoo | What is one way of doing this? |
| 17:51.15 | Reiser_X | but gnome tell incorrect login/password |
| 17:51.26 | mx-zoom | anyone knows why sometimes my screen starts flickering and it keeps on doing that until I restart X? I think It's got something to do with the nvidia driver |
| 17:51.34 | Reiser_X | gnomemeeting |
| 17:51.35 | stoned | Reiser_X: I've no idea man.. try irc.gnome.org |
| 17:51.36 | karmatronic | thnee: read that http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-May/085358.html |
| 17:52.01 | thnee | karmatronic: cant get that to work no |
| 17:52.05 | stoned | Reiser_X: are there any free servers you can install? is it just the techsupport that costs money or the product itself |
| 17:52.09 | thnee | karmatronic: with putty |
| 17:52.23 | cydork | mikefoo: netcat? :P |
| 17:52.31 | mikefoo | cydork: heh yeah.. |
| 17:52.39 | grendal_prime | sooo there is no way to do failover booting with grub? |
| 17:52.56 | mikefoo | I asked a guy that on an interview, and he said there wasn't a way and that I shouldn't ask questions that dont have real answers |
| 17:53.05 | karmatronic | thnee: look at the url i gave you, they are doing exactly what you want |
| 17:53.18 | mikefoo | we didn't hire him... but yeah i thought that was funny, huh? heh |
| 17:53.26 | Reiser_X | well |
| 17:53.38 | Reiser_X | i have to pay for the support then |
| 17:53.55 | grendal_prime | was there an answer? |
| 17:53.59 | grendal_prime | mikefoo: ? |
| 17:54.01 | robin_sz | 42 |
| 17:54.05 | enouf | heh |
| 17:54.09 | mikefoo | yeah the answer is netcat |
| 17:54.10 | mikefoo | nc |
| 17:54.15 | enouf | !win cydork |
| 17:54.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, cydork! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:54.28 | mikefoo | hahah |
| 17:54.29 | cydork | omg omg omg |
| 17:54.43 | ix | hahah |
| 17:54.45 | ix | monopoly? |
| 17:54.46 | craigevil | Reiser_X: why do you need gnugk server, why not just use Gnomemeeting/ekiga without it |
| 17:54.54 | thnee | karmatronic: okay, thanks |
| 17:54.57 | grendal_prime | so basically he could have given you any answer....any thing that i might have installed? |
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| 17:55.18 | mikefoo | grendal_prime: what do you mean.. |
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| 17:55.35 | grendal_prime | im just confused why you would ask someone how to do something when there were no tools to do it with? |
| 17:55.58 | mikefoo | ahh I just told you, nc aka netcat is the tool to do it with.. |
| 17:56.00 | CoffeeIV | what package should I add to debian, to get parallel port devices to be listed when I go to add a printer in cups ? |
| 17:56.04 | cydork | grendal_prime: no netcan can do that. |
| 17:56.24 | mikefoo | but he insisted on there wasn't a way without ftpd/sshd/httpd |
| 17:56.31 | grendal_prime | there is nothing on the other side to connect to? yet this thing can transfer files to it? |
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| 17:56.45 | mikefoo | grendal_prime: ahh.. just man netcat, hah |
| 17:56.47 | cydork | grendal_prime: no, with netcat on both sides. |
| 17:57.12 | karmatronic | cydork: no, netcat on just one side |
| 17:57.23 | grendal_prime | so basically if he said,...."via some other transport method" |
| 17:57.31 | grendal_prime | ? |
| 17:57.38 | mikefoo | grendal_prime you are lost.. lol |
| 17:57.53 | Reiser_X | craigevil: Ekiga is a server to Videoconferencing? |
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| 17:58.01 | grendal_prime | if there is a program that allows you to connect to a box...that has no d running on it listening..and transfer files to it...i would like to see that. |
| 17:58.15 | cydork | karmatronic: we are talking about file transfer here. |
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| 17:58.24 | karmatronic | cydork: yeas |
| 17:58.27 | pestilence | on NFS client machines where the server has been restarted, i get things like "Stale NFS handle" |
| 17:58.39 | mikefoo | grendal_prime, just man netcat.. |
| 17:58.41 | pestilence | is there any way to fix this without unmounting the directory on the client and remounting it? |
| 17:58.46 | karmatronic | cydork: nc -vlp 888 > result_file |
| 17:58.46 | craigevil | Reiser_X: ekiga is H.323 and SIP compatible videoconferencing and VOIP/IP-Telephony application that allows you to make audio and video calls to remote users with H.323 hardware or software (such as Microsoft Netmeeting) as well as SIP endpoints |
| 17:58.56 | craigevil | basically just a newer name and vesion for Gnomemeeting |
| 17:58.59 | grendal_prime | No manual entry for netcat |
| 17:59.02 | pestilence | "Stale NFS file handle" rather |
| 17:59.06 | karmatronic | cydork: type my_file | telnet linux_box 888 |
| 17:59.08 | mikefoo | grendal_prime: google |
| 17:59.25 | karmatronic | cydork: type for windows , or cat for unixes |
| 17:59.25 | cydork | karmatronic: well you need something on there :) |
| 17:59.35 | enouf | !install it |
| 17:59.42 | enouf | !ii |
| 17:59.48 | enouf | bah |
| 17:59.52 | stew | grendal_prime: aptitude install netcat |
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| 18:00.01 | Piet | is there a way to stop iceweasel from connecting to sb.google.com ? |
| 18:00.04 | mikefoo | telnet or nc for receiving, doesn't matter |
| 18:00.14 | cydork | yep |
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| 18:00.18 | Reiser_X | craigevil: but i need to have a server so the users connect to this |
| 18:00.32 | Reiser_X | craigevil: in that server will be all registered users |
| 18:00.37 | Reiser_X | Ekiga make that? |
| 18:01.08 | mikefoo | I also asked this; How could one figure out the time when a file was created after it contents and ownership have been modified. |
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| 18:02.09 | grendal_prime | stew: dont know if i want it sounds like another hole to watch. besides on the app website it says nothing about being able to just connect to some box with it..you need to have it installed on both sides..looks more like a quickndirty vpn really |
| 18:02.18 | ofer0 | mikefoo, you can't |
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| 18:02.28 | mikefoo | ofer0: exactly =) |
| 18:02.44 | stew | grendal_prime: not vpn, since everything goes over in the clear. yes, it needs to be installed on both sides |
| 18:02.46 | mikefoo | actually I found out a way on accident one day. |
| 18:03.05 | ofer0 | mikefoo, well, what is it then? |
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| 18:03.15 | mikefoo | we dont track atime on out mounts, so the atime defaults to when the file was created. |
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| 18:03.41 | mikefoo | but yeah in normally cases, you can't tell when a file was created after you modified contents and such |
| 18:03.54 | mikefoo | on our mounts* |
| 18:03.55 | mikefoo | typo.. |
| 18:03.56 | ofer0 | okay, this is a hack that is specifically meant for usage in your machine |
| 18:04.01 | ofer0 | it's not a general soltion |
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| 18:04.09 | ofer0 | s/soltion/solution/ |
| 18:04.10 | grendal_prime | mikefoo: ok, are you saying....machine a..does not have this, but machine does. machine a also has no ftp,sshd or http server running on it ither. you can still connect to machine a (that does not have navcat running on it) from machineb that does have navcat running on it? |
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| 18:05.07 | stew | grendal_prime: no, he's saying that netcat is available on both sides, and can be executed on each side to perform this task |
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| 18:05.13 | mikefoo | I am saying no sshd/ftpd/httpd, thats all.. |
| 18:05.24 | mikefoo | stew is correct. |
| 18:05.41 | grendal_prime | stew, so basically why didnt you ask the guy what navcat was? |
| 18:05.46 | grendal_prime | sorry mikefoo |
| 18:05.47 | mikefoo | ofer0: yeah but I asked the create time question, just because alot of people think ctime is create time.. |
| 18:05.50 | mikefoo | but its change time.. |
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| 18:06.17 | mikefoo | grendal_prime: because that wouldn't prove that he knows how to use netcat. |
| 18:06.50 | _Freedom0_ | !eisen |
| 18:06.56 | _Freedom0_ | : |
| 18:07.01 | _Freedom0_ | !seen eisen |
| 18:07.02 | dpkg | eisen <~eisen@xdsl-81-173-184-121.netcologne.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 22h 21m 40s ago, saying: 'darren: tvants should work in wine according to google. I may have confused the apps and the other one was the one that did not work.'. |
| 18:07.56 | mikefoo | sorry I just been interviewing.. and people state they know *nix when they can't tell me how to unmount a filesystem ::rolls his yes:: i am just venting, sorry lol |
| 18:08.14 | enouf | grendal_prime: it appears to be a question directed at getting to know how much the interviewee knows about all the powerful underlying cli tools available in *nix systems .. not just webmin crap |
| 18:08.37 | mikefoo | enouf: yeah.. |
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| 18:09.04 | mikefoo | I always ask everyone what an inode is, if they can't answer that.. its downhill from there usually.. |
| 18:09.17 | unlink | my black fonts look bad against gray backgrounds, but * on (black|white) look fine |
| 18:09.21 | enouf | er gives* |
| 18:09.34 | grendal_prime | ???thats like asking someone, "you need to get from oregon to mexico, there are no roads and no waterways, how do you drive there (the answer being that you steal a plane, but the question suggests that you have to DRIVE because that what it asks)..but.....whatever, anyway stew is there a way to get grub to default to one entry untell it fails and then move on to the next entry? |
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| 18:09.52 | stew | grendal_prime: man grub-reboot |
| 18:10.01 | grendal_prime | thanks man |
| 18:11.04 | enouf | grendal_prime: I "think" you want failsafe, or fallover |
| 18:11.04 | stew | grendal_prime: like asking the question, "what was are there to get from oregon to mexico besides driving or boating" an answer being "flying" |
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| 18:11.57 | enouf | grendal_prime: but the full grub manual definitely covers it .. http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html |
| 18:12.38 | mikefoo | grendal_prime: look at 'failover' for that |
| 18:13.23 | enouf | grendal_prime: "fallback" http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Booting-fallback-systems |
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| 18:14.01 | mikefoo | err |
| 18:14.08 | mikefoo | i meant falback not failover, heh |
| 18:14.13 | mikefoo | what enouf said. |
| 18:14.30 | enouf | curmundgeon |
| 18:15.16 | mikefoo | fallback is good when you have your OS raided on a software level |
| 18:16.06 | mikefoo | multiple drives.. fall back to sdb if sda dies.. something along those lines.. |
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| 18:16.20 | enouf | that grub-reboot manpage has to be the mosty concise one I've seen to date .. like 10 lines .. heh |
| 18:16.45 | enouf | -y |
| 18:17.04 | unlink | why aren't my interfaces brought up automatically? |
| 18:17.12 | unlink | i have auto lo eth0 in my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 18:17.44 | Reiser_X | Stoned: good news |
| 18:17.54 | stew | unlink: does it come up if you run "ifup eth0"? |
| 18:18.17 | enouf | do you also have something like auto eth0 |
| 18:18.17 | enouf | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:18.21 | unlink | stew yes |
| 18:18.24 | unlink | yes i have that |
| 18:18.49 | stew | unlink: does "/etc/init.d/networking restart" leave you with the interface up or down? |
| 18:19.05 | rahul | I think the auto lines need to be separate |
| 18:19.10 | stew | they dont' |
| 18:19.13 | rahul | oh, ok |
| 18:19.17 | unlink | i think we have the answer to our question |
| 18:19.34 | unlink | netbase wasn't installed |
| 18:20.00 | rahul | doh |
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| 18:20.13 | unlink | thanks |
| 18:20.22 | rahul | how did ifupdown get installed, then? |
| 18:20.51 | rahul | oh, guess it deps the other way |
| 18:21.28 | rahul | silly. one would think that ifupdown should require you to have an /etc/services |
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| 18:25.29 | unlink | if i allow only one user (not root) to log into the backup machine remotely, how do i backup over rsync to that machine over the network? |
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| 18:27.36 | Onur | can i open or convert flash videos? |
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| 18:30.42 | eisen_ | Onur: with mplayer perhaps. it can play some flash, so it might also be able to dump |
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| 18:31.04 | Onur | thanks eisen_ |
| 18:31.33 | farruinn | The testing installer is giving me a kernel panic after searching for install media: "not syncing: esp_handle: current_SC == penguin within interrupt!" This is on a sparc64 server. |
| 18:31.40 | Reiser_X | i need to install a web cam |
| 18:32.39 | gmcinnes | guys, how can I tell which package a file is part of? |
| 18:32.59 | stew | gmcinnes: dpkg -S filename |
| 18:33.07 | gmcinnes | thks stew |
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| 18:35.51 | Onur | 'ffmpeg -i video.flv -ab 56 -ar 22050 -b 500 -s 320x240 test.mpg' is good solution flv to mpg |
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| 18:36.08 | Zap-W | anyone have /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm2 |
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| 18:37.25 | Justin | !+find initramfs-tools/hooks/lvm2 |
| 18:37.27 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 18:38.11 | kazukisan | when using the netcd i did basic install when doing a apt-get update there is a GPG error, how do i get it to download the key for http://security.debian.org etch/updates |
| 18:38.21 | Justin | kazukisan: /topic |
| 18:38.21 | Zap-W | strange |
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| 18:38.43 | kazukisan | Justin, lol thanks |
| 18:38.43 | Zap-W | ah ok nevermind |
| 18:38.47 | Zap-W | ! -f not -f |
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| 18:41.56 | Zap-W | anyone here have a working initrd with lvm2 in it? if so what do you have in /scripts/init-premount |
| 18:42.38 | sid | Anyone have a good guide for getting suspend/hibernation working on Debian etch, with the latest kernel linux-image-2.6.18-4-686?(a thorough guide) |
| 18:42.58 | poh | when I use hibernate-ram or hibernate -F/etc/hibernate/ram.conf hibernate still seems to use hibernate.conf. When I use -v3, it tells me it is using ram.conf. anyone have any idea what this is? |
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| 18:44.20 | kazukisan | Okay anyone have a guide for installing xorg and gnome from a basic netcd install ? |
| 18:44.28 | stew | Zap-W: thermal and udev |
| 18:45.14 | stew | kazukisan: tasksel install desktop |
| 18:45.26 | kazukisan | !tasksel |
| 18:45.27 | dpkg | methinks tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
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| 18:46.10 | stew | Zap-W: scripts/local-top/lvm semms to be the one doing the lvm stuff |
| 18:46.16 | unlink | haha .13:45. freenode | Join fails: #rsync (You have joined to too many channels) |
| 18:46.19 | stew | Zap-W: this is with an initrafs |
| 18:46.36 | kazukisan | stew, that does nothing ir runs package configuration and goes to 100% like instantly |
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| 18:47.12 | stew | kazukisan: wahat does "apt-cache policy gnome-session" say for Installed: ? |
| 18:47.32 | stew | kazukisan: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:47.42 | Zap-W | stew, how does /etc/fstab look in debian . i did a deboostrap installation from centos and my fstab is empty |
| 18:47.59 | kazukisan | stew, etch(testing) i did a netcd install without the mirror selection so base system install |
| 18:48.07 | rahul | it looks like whatever partitions you mounted during the installer |
| 18:48.10 | obscurant | sid: sorry no guide, it worked for me through just installing the laptop option |
| 18:48.20 | rahul | during a chroot install, you may not have done that |
| 18:48.21 | kazukisan | stew, and that command says unable to locate package gnome-session |
| 18:48.27 | stew | Zap-W: you'll need to add at least swap, /, proc to your fstab (and whatever other partitions you need mounted) |
| 18:48.27 | sid | obscurant: What laptop option? |
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| 18:49.02 | stew | kazukisan: run apttitude, go to tasks -> user -> desktop -> gnome-desktop |
| 18:49.19 | stew | kazukisan: seems like "tasksel install desktop" really should have wokred though |
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| 18:49.48 | kazukisan | stew, how do you spell apttitude correctly |
| 18:49.52 | stew | wait |
| 18:50.12 | stew | kazukisan: have you setup sources.list yet? |
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| 18:50.29 | stew | kazukisan: "apt-cache policy gnome-session" should not say "unable to locate" |
| 18:50.30 | obscurant | sid: from the install, also under tasks->end-user in aptitude |
| 18:51.01 | kazukisan | stew, i have not done anything with em yet, i thought they would have the basic repos for debian |
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| 18:52.08 | stew | kazukisan: make sure you have a mirror listed in a deb line in /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update |
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| 18:52.36 | kazukisan | stew, sources.list has the basic http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main and thats it |
| 18:53.17 | Zap-W | stew, the file you pasted has , if [ -e /scripts/local-top/lvm2 ] ; then exit 0 ... it's a mess |
| 18:53.21 | stew | kazukisan: security.debian.org is not a full repository, you need to add one: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:53.29 | kazukisan | k |
| 18:53.32 | rsk | hm |
| 18:53.43 | stew | Zap-W: what file did i paste? |
| 18:53.51 | rsk | i get 101:s to every debian server i have tried |
| 18:53.55 | rsk | what could be wrong? |
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| 18:54.09 | stew | rsk: what is a 101? |
| 18:54.14 | rsk | have worked ok... for over 2 years now |
| 18:54.21 | Zap-W | stew, /scripts/local-top/lvm2 |
| 18:54.24 | rsk | stew: Connection refused |
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| 18:55.01 | betel | where do I find official debian repositories to put into /etc/apt/sources.lst? |
| 18:55.19 | rsk | on debian mirrors |
| 18:55.36 | rsk | chek the debian manual |
| 18:55.48 | stew | betel: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 18:55.58 | betel | stew thanks |
| 18:56.00 | stew | rsk: you get that in a browser or from apt-get or both? |
| 18:56.11 | rsk | only in apt-get |
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| 18:56.18 | rsk | havent tried in a browser |
| 18:56.22 | rsk | gonna do it now |
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| 18:58.57 | |easy| | does someone know of a list of server mainboards supported by sarge? |
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| 18:59.45 | Zap-W | brb |
| 18:59.46 | kazukisan | can someone PM me there working list of sources.list for US please ??? |
| 18:59.49 | xand | !hcl |
| 18:59.49 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 18:59.50 | foc | hi, during boot i see a modprobe error inserting genrtc how do i remove this msg ? |
| 19:00.08 | unlink | kazukisan: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 19:00.50 | sid | obscurant: ok, hibernate works now. but not suspend |
| 19:00.51 | kazukisan | thanks |
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| 19:02.51 | stew | kazukisan: NO, don't use that line |
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| 19:03.06 | stew | kazukisan: change sid to etch |
| 19:03.15 | stew | unlink: why would you tell him to use sid? |
| 19:03.33 | unlink | stew: i did no such thing |
| 19:03.40 | stew | 14:00 < unlink> kazukisan: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main |
| 19:03.42 | unlink | stew: i sent him my sorking sources.list for US |
| 19:03.52 | stew | unlink: please don't do that |
| 19:04.02 | kazukisan | stew, i know i changed it to etch lol |
| 19:04.03 | unlink | stew: whatever man |
| 19:04.09 | unlink | stew: i did exactly what he asked |
| 19:04.10 | kazukisan | stew, im not compleatly dumb ;) |
| 19:04.39 | kazukisan | stew, i got a working source.list now |
| 19:04.52 | kazukisan | i just did tasksel install gnome and it didn't do anything i could see |
| 19:05.01 | dkr | why does man tzconfig "Internals" section claim that it just cps zone file to /etc/localtime and puts name in /etc/timezone? isn't it necessary to run hwclock --hctosys so that it will "Also set the kernel’s timezone value to the local timezone"? |
| 19:05.06 | stew | kazukisan: did you run apt-get update? |
| 19:05.06 | sid | foc: remove "genrtc" from /etc/modules |
| 19:05.13 | kazukisan | and that other command says installed: none and gives me a candidate version |
| 19:05.16 | kazukisan | yes |
| 19:05.38 | stew | kazukisan: "apt-get install gnome xorg" |
| 19:05.49 | enouf | |easy|: see this too http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware?highlight=%28hardware%29%7C%28server%29 |
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| 19:06.07 | stew | unlink: if you don't know what his skill level is, you shouldn't just give him a sid source. heaven forbid he ends up upgrading to sid without knowing it |
| 19:06.11 | kazukisan | stew, okay gives me a ton of packages, gona hit yes here in a sec |
| 19:06.48 | kazukisan | i almost went with sid, but this is a laptop and im had trouble even getting ubuntu working on it, so now im gona try debian lol |
| 19:06.52 | stew | wonder why tasksel didn't want to install anything |
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| 19:07.15 | stew | hmm "tasksel install gnome-desktop" is required now, maybe |
| 19:07.35 | kazukisan | to late now its already downloading all the packages |
| 19:07.47 | stew | kazukisan: doesn't matter, it would have essentially done the smae |
| 19:07.54 | kazukisan | k |
| 19:08.10 | kazukisan | ubuntu gave me a bunch of trouble |
| 19:08.24 | kazukisan | i hope debian at least works i dont want to go back to install windows on this lol |
| 19:08.59 | obscurant | sid: any errors? what version of uswsusp do you have installed? can you verify that you have initramfs-tools intalled |
| 19:09.38 | sid | obscurant: ahh, I needed to install uswsusp |
| 19:09.57 | sid | obscurant: It just did "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-4-686" do I need to reboot before suspend will work? |
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| 19:10.57 | sid | When I right click on the battery icon from gnome-panel and click on "Suspend" it pops up the screen saver, I unlock it with my pass... then the battery tells me "Suspend Problem, Your computer failed to suspend" |
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| 19:11.38 | jelly | sid: try running s2ram or s2disk manually (as root, of course) |
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| 19:13.52 | Caelum | is there a gnome frontend to mplayer? I don't see one in apt-cache search |
| 19:14.07 | obscurant | sid: if it's not working now, it probably will after a reboot - initramfs gets mounted at boot time |
| 19:14.37 | sid | obscurant: I just rebooted and it still doesn't work. same message |
| 19:15.42 | jelly | sid: take a look at what kernel had to say (dmesg or /var/log/kern.log) aobut the reasons why it failed |
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| 19:16.06 | blazemonger | i'm a debian newbie |
| 19:16.10 | blazemonger | running etch |
| 19:16.12 | blazemonger | heh |
| 19:16.17 | blazemonger | actually testing |
| 19:16.26 | blazemonger | ive not had any problems at all |
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| 19:18.17 | sid | jelly / obscurant http://rafb.net/p/zeqmHn49.html |
| 19:18.32 | sid | s2disk works, s2ram does not. |
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| 19:19.28 | jelly | sid: this is not unusual. |
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| 19:19.47 | christopherl | somone here on dell laptop? |
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| 19:20.29 | jelly | sid: man s2ram... it uses an explicit whitelist, so you have to add --force to try it. |
| 19:20.30 | karmatronic | dell sucks |
| 19:20.40 | sid | yep |
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| 19:21.15 | sid | cool, s2ram --force works jelly; |
| 19:21.24 | sid | Can you read this, am I connected to the network? |
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| 19:21.28 | jelly | sid: you are |
| 19:21.37 | jelly | NOT :> |
| 19:21.50 | omry | how do I setup a syslog server? |
| 19:21.51 | sid | How can I make it so when I right click on the gnome-panel battery and go to suspend it does --force? |
| 19:21.59 | jetscreamer | so did etch get released yet? |
| 19:22.10 | jelly | !gentoosmite jetscreamer |
| 19:22.11 | sid | !wir |
| 19:22.11 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 19:22.18 | jetscreamer | nm |
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| 19:22.35 | jetscreamer | the nm was only because i read the topic |
| 19:22.39 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 19:22.39 | sid | jetscreamer: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 19:22.53 | jetscreamer | and it was a yes or no question |
| 19:22.55 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 19:22.56 | mortal5 | is there any way to stop kjournal from running? |
| 19:23.16 | jelly | mortal5: yes, don't use journaled filesystems. |
| 19:23.28 | mortal5 | jelly, you'd think |
| 19:23.33 | jetscreamer | is that what that's for? |
| 19:23.46 | mortal5 | I have ext3 mounted as ext2, and kj still runs |
| 19:23.47 | sid | 116 rc bugs left jetscreamer; |
| 19:24.17 | jelly | mortal5: are all your ext3 mounted as ext2, including root? what does "mount" report? |
| 19:24.41 | mortal5 | jelly, yes they are all mounted as ext2\ |
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| 19:24.49 | jelly | mortal5: I confess I blurted it out and haven't actually checked if it works |
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| 19:25.07 | Thms | http://thms.ath.cx/phpsysinfo why it did that ? I had the same problem but I don't renember what I did I just renember it is not a config problem |
| 19:25.15 | mortal5 | kjournal still runs, and when it does it thrashes the disk like mad |
| 19:26.10 | jelly | mortal5: dude, it wouldn't trash the disk if it not one mounted filesystem used it. pastebin output of cat /proc/mounts |
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| 19:27.07 | blazemonger | i use ex3 file systems |
| 19:27.26 | etcxhjster | i can figure it out evertime i try to use metacity from gdm all i get is blank gfrey screen |
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| 19:27.47 | karsten | blazemonger: It's not an ex3 filesystem! It's pin3ing for the fio3rds! |
| 19:28.00 | mortal5 | jelly: well, the file systems are ext3 fs mounted as ext2, in order to stop kj from running |
| 19:28.07 | jelly | karsten: fnords, you mean |
| 19:28.11 | mortal5 | mount confirms they are mounted as ext2 |
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| 19:28.52 | kazukisan | stew, anything else before i run startx ? |
| 19:28.53 | jelly | mortal5: hm, rmmod ext3 to confirm it isn't used? |
| 19:29.08 | sid | When I right click on the gnome-panel battery icon and go to suspend it doesn't work, same when I do "s2ram", but when I do "s2ram --force" it works fine. How can I have gnome battery icon do "s2ram --force" wheN I right click on the battery and go to suspend? |
| 19:29.09 | jetscreamer | you don't use metacity you use something that uses metacity |
| 19:29.19 | etcxhjster | comon |
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| 19:29.35 | karsten | jetscreamer: You don't use metacity. |
| 19:29.39 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... metacity uses you. |
| 19:29.46 | jetscreamer | in russia? |
| 19:29.50 | mortal5 | jelly: lol, it says it's "in use" |
| 19:29.55 | karsten | jetscreamer: Lord knows, there's not enough in it that _you_ could actually use _it_. |
| 19:30.01 | mortal5 | mount clearly shows them as ext2 |
| 19:30.19 | jelly | mortal5: I only believe /proc/mounts. :-) |
| 19:30.23 | etcxhjster | why at gdm is there an option for gnome kde and metacity? |
| 19:30.23 | karsten | blazemonger: Did you have a question BTW or were you just commenting? |
| 19:30.29 | blazemonger | is it possible to run vmWare in debian testing? |
| 19:30.40 | karsten | blazemonger: Yes. |
| 19:30.45 | blazemonger | without having to build a new kernel? |
| 19:30.56 | mortal5 | jelly: that says they're ext3 |
| 19:31.05 | obscurant | what should i use for TERM? mutt and aptitude aren't crazy about xterm-color, backspace doesn't work...i have to shift+backspace |
| 19:31.30 | karsten | mortal5: /proc/mounts is authoritative, it's the actual kernel state. /etc/mtab is something fo a relic, and stores data on-disk, which may be inconsistent. |
| 19:31.45 | karsten | mortal5: If they're _not_ consistent: cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab (as root). |
| 19:31.53 | karsten | s/fo a/of a/ |
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| 19:32.16 | jelly | mortal5: there ya go, they're ext3. |
| 19:32.25 | etcxhjster | no one?? |
| 19:32.30 | karsten | obscurant: What terminal are you using? xterm-color should be fine so long as you're 1) running xterm and 2) are running a local shell. |
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| 19:32.51 | karsten | etcxhjster: Because you have several desktop environments / window managers installed. |
| 19:32.58 | jetscreamer | oh hey how do i colorize my bootup? |
| 19:33.02 | mortal5 | ok good point , but how do i stop kj from running then? |
| 19:33.04 | jelly | mortal5: you cant "remount" to other filesystem, it has to be unmounted and mounted again. This in essence means you have to reboot if you want to mount your / as ext2. |
| 19:33.16 | karsten | blazemonger: Yeah, there's vmware kernel modules, you need to use a matching kernel, standard Debian builds should work. |
| 19:33.20 | Thms | http://thms.ath.cx/phpsysinfo why it did that ? I had the same problem but I don't renember what I did I just renember it is not a config problem |
| 19:33.24 | jetscreamer | you know like KNOPPIX |
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| 19:33.36 | mortal5 | jelly: my /etc/fstab has it setup to mount ext2 |
| 19:33.39 | karsten | jetscreamer: schrooms. |
| 19:33.41 | pdbogen | What's the easiest way to programmatically get the number of packages that are waiting for an update? |
| 19:33.41 | etcxhjster | metacity can be used by its self right? |
| 19:33.44 | obscurant | karsten: i'm using aterm |
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| 19:33.51 | jetscreamer | not imo etcxhjster |
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| 19:33.54 | h3sp4wn | mortal5: did you turn of the journal ? |
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| 19:33.58 | jetscreamer | it's a window manager |
| 19:33.59 | pdbogen | (And/or, something that's easily machine readable without parsing prose.) |
| 19:34.01 | karsten | obscurant: 'man aterm' and check the ENVIRONMENT secion. |
| 19:34.03 | karsten | section. |
| 19:34.06 | jelly | mortal5: what about your initrd? |
| 19:34.15 | jetscreamer | etcxhjster: you need gnome or icewm-gnome or something |
| 19:34.18 | stoned | aterm == the bomb |
| 19:34.29 | etcxhjster | i have gnome |
| 19:34.32 | etcxhjster | and kde |
| 19:34.36 | etcxhjster | and xfce |
| 19:34.41 | mortal5 | jelly: what file is that? |
| 19:34.46 | stoned | hey try em all out brother |
| 19:34.51 | etcxhjster | yup |
| 19:35.08 | karsten | pdbogen: probably aptitude, possibly the "no-act" option (whatever it is). Define "waiting for an upgrade". Do you also want to know which packages are waiting for Godot? |
| 19:35.21 | karsten | stoned: rxvt == teh bombe! |
| 19:35.40 | pdbogen | karsten : The number of packages that have an updated version in the repository. |
| 19:35.42 | stoned | karsten: that too |
| 19:35.45 | h3sp4wn | xterm's fonts look clearer |
| 19:35.58 | stoned | they render fonts the same way afaik |
| 19:36.09 | jelly | mortal5: it is the early userspace that Debian's kernel loads first, and then autodetects your hardware, loads appropriate modules, detects your root filesystem type and mounts it, then transfers control to the actual filesystem. -> /boot/initrd* |
| 19:36.23 | karsten | pdbogen: Oddly enough, I get an email on that matter on a fresh install here.... |
| 19:36.37 | jelly | stoned: mrxvt has tabs |
| 19:36.42 | stoned | yup |
| 19:36.48 | stoned | I've used em all |
| 19:36.55 | mortal5 | jelly: so how would I guarrentee it won't mount as ext3 |
| 19:36.56 | pdbogen | karsten : I'm looking at making a system where each server puts that info for itsel finto a SQL database and then a PHP gives me a rundown of all my machines. |
| 19:36.57 | karsten | jelly: tabs are for people who fail to understand 'screen'. |
| 19:36.58 | stoned | multi-gnome-term was nice too |
| 19:37.11 | stoned | however, I keep coming back to either konsole or xfce4-terminal |
| 19:37.23 | jelly | karsten: tabs are for people who have more than one machine to admin. |
| 19:37.24 | h3sp4wn | stoned: can aterm render using xrender (I think that is what makes xterm look better at least here) |
| 19:37.29 | obscurant | karsten: thanks! |
| 19:37.37 | cydork | actually gnome-terminal + screen rocks :P |
| 19:37.51 | jelly | karsten: nested screens are kinda ugly, even if one changes escape characters |
| 19:37.57 | stoned | h3sp4wn: I'm not positive.. but I *think* ... Xterm looks ugly here.. hah |
| 19:38.16 | stoned | h3sp4wn: plus, aterm has transparency.. thats one thing I like |
| 19:38.29 | stoned | xtermm can't be transparent |
| 19:38.35 | stoned | so... you know |
| 19:38.36 | mortal5 | but no utf-8 support |
| 19:38.46 | stoned | pros and cons with everything |
| 19:38.48 | mortal5 | unfortunate |
| 19:38.49 | jelly | mortal5: rxvt-unicode has utf-8 support. |
| 19:38.50 | stoned | linux is choice man |
| 19:38.51 | stoned | :) |
| 19:38.57 | stoned | pure choice |
| 19:39.08 | robin_sz | pdbogen, when you say "info for itself" .. what sort of info? |
| 19:39.13 | cydork | stoned: i dont think linux is what you are talking about ;) |
| 19:39.15 | mc__ | stoned: you say it |
| 19:39.18 | mortal5 | I just use xterm, although i would like transparency, I don't have gnome or kde installed |
| 19:39.24 | stoned | cydork: well.. I meant in general |
| 19:39.29 | k31th | I am making a multipul icon in a .ico file 16/32/48/64/128 sizes however gnome uses the largest icon, is there a way to choose which one it uses (this is on the desktop). |
| 19:39.30 | jelly | mortal5: my favourite is currently rxvt-unicode-lite (no support for truetype fonts == fast) |
| 19:39.32 | stoned | cydork: what I really should say OSS |
| 19:39.37 | stoned | +is |
| 19:39.51 | stoned | or FSF or whatever you wanna call lit |
| 19:40.03 | h3sp4wn | stoned: You still need to use a decent font no matter what you use - |
| 19:40.05 | stoned | linux isn't anything but kernel |
| 19:40.06 | mc__ | stoned: it's kinda of freedom :) |
| 19:40.11 | cydork | heh :P |
| 19:40.46 | mortal5 | so back to my problem, how would I guarrentee that my fs is mounted as ext3 instead of ext2? |
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| 19:40.58 | pdbogen | mount -t ext3 ? |
| 19:41.14 | stoned | mortal5: if it is an ext3 fs, you can mount it as ext2 with the -t switch |
| 19:41.24 | stoned | mortal5: if it is ext2, you can only mount it as ext2 |
| 19:41.27 | h3sp4wn | mortal5: tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/ |
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| 19:41.35 | jelly | mortal5: well, you could remove the journal inode. Or mount try changing data= mount options |
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| 19:42.09 | jelly | stoned: the problem is that initrd autodetects ext3 root and mounts it as such, while he'd like to force it to ext2 |
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| 19:42.24 | stoned | jelly: even with type ext2 specified? |
| 19:42.29 | robin_sz | jelly, theres only ONE way to do that |
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| 19:42.32 | jelly | stoned: specified where? |
| 19:42.34 | mortal5 | in fstab yes |
| 19:42.37 | stoned | fstab or mount |
| 19:42.55 | mortal5 | I have it specified in fstab |
| 19:42.56 | jelly | stoned: and, pray tell, how can initrd read /etc/fstab? |
| 19:43.02 | stoned | oh |
| 19:43.04 | stoned | doh |
| 19:43.05 | robin_sz | stoned, trouble is, fstab is not read until after the disk is mounted |
| 19:43.05 | jelly | :-) |
| 19:43.08 | stoned | hey shaddup |
| 19:43.09 | stoned | ! |
| 19:43.10 | stoned | :) |
| 19:43.15 | robin_sz | so ... |
| 19:43.23 | robin_sz | you need your Linus Rescue Disk! |
| 19:43.24 | stoned | cranial flatulance |
| 19:43.26 | jelly | robin_sz: tune2fs and kill journal inode? :-) |
| 19:43.26 | stoned | go away |
| 19:43.42 | stew | !ext3->ext2 |
| 19:43.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ext3->ext2 is tune2fs -O ^has_journal, and edit /etc/fstab and change ext3 to ext2 |
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| 19:43.51 | jetscreamer | rectal cranium injection |
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| 19:43.55 | robin_sz | jelly, no ... not on a mounted filesystem ytou dont! |
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| 19:44.07 | stoned | so why couldn't they modify ext3 to not overwite the fucking inode |
| 19:44.11 | jelly | mortal5: the real question is, why do you think running ext2 would help? |
| 19:44.20 | stoned | I mean couldn't they simply add journaling somewhere else |
| 19:44.25 | stoned | and leave the undelete in there |
| 19:44.28 | jetscreamer | oh last superblock write time is in the future? |
| 19:44.39 | jetscreamer | that's why i got off ext |
| 19:44.48 | mortal5 | jelly, because kjournal thrashes the disk and overheats my laptop |
| 19:44.54 | stoned | or is that not possible to have journaling in ext fs's while havnig undelete |
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| 19:45.04 | stoned | due to the inode being overwritten with a 0 |
| 19:45.11 | stoned | just wonderin.. curious |
| 19:45.34 | jelly | mortal5: this is just a symptom, something would thrash the disk even on ext2, only you wouldn't see a single kernel thread doing it. |
| 19:45.41 | mortal5 | ...and yes, i realize it sounds like my disk is going bad |
| 19:45.44 | stoned | you know |
| 19:45.51 | jelly | mortal5: so find out which user process is doing the I/O. |
| 19:45.54 | stoned | I had a weird experience that taught me something valuable |
| 19:46.02 | mzilikazi | frest install of testing is giving me this error: init Id "1" respawning too fast - the line from inittab that is giving me this grief is: 1:2345:respawn:/usr/bin/termwrap but there is no /usr/bin/termwrap - what is termwrap? |
| 19:46.02 | mortal5 | jelly: ah, the big question |
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| 19:46.11 | mortal5 | how in the world do i do that |
| 19:46.24 | jelly | mortal5: first thing to do would be to determine if there is any swapping |
| 19:46.25 | mortal5 | I know how to use top and free |
| 19:46.27 | stoned | I mounted my ext3 partition under windows xp through ext2fsd or whatever as read/write |
| 19:46.32 | mortal5 | but I have no clue how to check disk access |
| 19:46.37 | stoned | two days later.. the drive wouldn't boot under linux |
| 19:46.42 | stoned | totally gone |
| 19:46.44 | robin_sz | the only way I know to move your root patition from ext3 to ext2 is to bring the system up on a linux rescue, mount the disk somewhere, edit fstab .. chroot to the / on your disk, update grub, .reboot |
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| 19:47.18 | stoned | I start up windows, and the drive went from ext3 to HPFS |
| 19:47.18 | xmb | is there a one-floppy kernel that boots? |
| 19:47.18 | stoned | tht ext3 partition continues to work under xp, but not in linux |
| 19:47.18 | stoned | crazy shit |
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| 19:47.19 | jelly | mortal5: run "vmstat 1" for at least 10-60 seconds. is there anything >0 in si or so columns? |
| 19:47.27 | robin_sz | never let wondows near a disk you value |
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| 19:47.34 | stoned | I don't value it |
| 19:47.35 | stoned | :) |
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| 19:47.41 | stoned | experimentation disk |
| 19:47.48 | robin_sz | burn it baby! |
| 19:47.51 | xmb | or run bwm and see if bandwidth gets transferred |
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| 19:49.00 | mortal5 | jelly: clue me in,that would indicate swapping to disk right? |
| 19:49.08 | jelly | robin_sz: will initrd know anything about ext2 being mentioned in /etc/fstab? |
| 19:49.11 | karsten | HTF do I get tcpspy *NOT* to log everything? Eg: I'm getting all web access logged, as my userid (kself). |
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| 19:49.22 | karsten | Despite the following rule: not ( user "kself" and rport "www" ) |
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| 19:49.38 | jelly | mortal5: yes, so -> swapping to disk, si <- reading swapped out pages from disk |
| 19:49.41 | karsten | ... and having stopped/restarted tcpspy daemon. Am I missing something? |
| 19:49.43 | mortal5 | !ext3->ext2 |
| 19:49.43 | dpkg | methinks ext3->ext2 is tune2fs -O ^has_journal, and edit /etc/fstab and change ext3 to ext2 |
| 19:49.59 | robin_sz | jelly, yeah, mkinitrd and run grub is probably what I meant to sya |
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| 19:50.16 | xmb | -- is there a one-floppy kernel that boots? |
| 19:50.37 | robin_sz | although, my last run-in with Debians mkinitrd was not a hppy experience |
| 19:51.12 | robin_sz | xmb, lets try "probably not" or "try DOS?" |
| 19:51.19 | xmb | i need ext3 |
| 19:51.20 | jelly | mortal5: pastebin the output if you're not sure. also, non-zero b column indicates processes are waiting for disk. |
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| 19:51.45 | mortal5 | lol, the tune2fs thing doesn't work |
| 19:51.46 | robin_sz | xmb, well, there are no machines with floppy drives anymore, so its not an issue |
| 19:51.48 | mortal5 | oh well |
| 19:51.53 | xmb | :/ |
| 19:51.57 | Edwin_Quijada | Hi! I am installing ndiswarpper using the manual from its page but when I do modprobe ndiswrapper debian freeze |
| 19:51.59 | mortal5 | it's not *that * big o deal |
| 19:51.59 | xmb | i got no cd drive, and i got a bootblock virus |
| 19:52.04 | xmb | it reboots once grub hits 1.5 |
| 19:52.11 | Edwin_Quijada | any clues? |
| 19:52.13 | mortal5 | just gota reboot when the disk starts going crazy |
| 19:52.21 | robin_sz | xmb, there are many, many Linus that boot from a credit-card sized CDROM or from a USB flash key |
| 19:52.23 | jelly | mortal5: you might have to do the tune2fs thing while the filesystem is unmounted. |
| 19:52.40 | xmb | hmm good call, the usb key |
| 19:52.48 | xmb | but how does the comp know to boot from usb |
| 19:52.53 | xmb | i think this p3 doesnt know |
| 19:53.02 | jelly | mortal5: the right thing to do would be to find out where does disk i/o com from. |
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| 19:53.12 | mortal5 | jello: yea |
| 19:53.17 | robin_sz | xmb, so, cdrom it is then |
| 19:53.23 | xmb | :/ k thx |
| 19:53.47 | rahul | damn elves |
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| 19:54.47 | pestilence | in the kernel logs, my scsi devices and my SATA card are referenced as "scsi0" and "scsi1" and "scsi2". how do i tell which is which? |
| 19:55.04 | pestilence | i.e. how do i know what physical card it is referencing |
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| 19:55.33 | robin_sz | pestilence, always use labels for yur filesytems, and mount them as the device label or GUID .. then you know |
| 19:55.49 | pestilence | robin_sz: this isn't about filesystems. |
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| 19:56.17 | robin_sz | pestilence, ahhm, right .. understand now |
| 19:56.20 | pestilence | i think one of them is dying, and i need to know which |
| 19:56.34 | jelly | pestilence: usually a higher level driver like sd, sr, st, or sg claims the device and prints some more lines after the scsiX: line |
| 19:56.51 | pestilence | jelly: ah. thanks |
| 19:57.21 | pestilence | this is what worries me |
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| 19:57.23 | pestilence | Feb 8 06:01:35 elrond kernel: sd 2:0:8:0: Attempting to queue an ABORT message |
| 19:57.26 | Juliana23 | hello |
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| 19:57.43 | Juliana23 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM - http://exotics.ezbbforum.com |
| 19:58.03 | pestilence | followed by a bunch of scsi messages....followed a half hour later by a total machine crash |
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| 19:59.55 | pestilence | so maybe a more important question is, what is sd 2:0:0:0: |
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| 19:59.57 | rahul | /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0? |
| 19:59.57 | Zaggynl | heh 'this is not #ubuntu' |
| 19:59.58 | pestilence | :) |
| 19:59.58 | pestilence | don't have that on my debian box :) |
| 19:59.58 | Zaggynl | I've been a ubuntu user lately, and I'm wondering how debian etch is, is it stable/new ? |
| 19:59.58 | rahul | pestilence: then install devfs :P |
| 19:59.58 | abrotman | at this rate .. all of turkey will be banned soon |
| 19:59.58 | rahul | Zaggynl: it's testing |
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| 20:00.02 | Zaggynl | rahul, so, not stable |
| 20:00.09 | rahul | Zaggynl: not debian stable. |
| 20:00.12 | lepine_h | how do i make debians bind package listen on multiple IP addresses? |
| 20:00.20 | jelly | abrotman: some people like turkey :-( |
| 20:00.21 | rahul | debian stable is woody |
| 20:00.23 | pestilence | although i did install a newer kernel |
| 20:00.27 | lepine_h | i tried doing ip aliasing, but that doesn't work |
| 20:00.27 | rahul | or sarge. whatever :P |
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| 20:00.43 | abrotman | jelly: tell them to stop spamming! |
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| 20:00.51 | Zaggynl | I have this old P3 laptop, and ubuntu dapper felt kinda slow, I'm trying to decide between debian xyz and ubuntu edgy |
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| 20:00.53 | unseensoul | hi |
| 20:01.06 | rob11 | hi, elm mail files, are a standard or only for microsoft outlook? |
| 20:01.07 | rahul | Zaggynl: etch should be fine for you |
| 20:01.28 | Zaggynl | okay |
| 20:01.45 | xand | rob11: what? |
| 20:01.47 | Strogg | I'm trying to install re-install debian on a Dell PowerEdge server and I'm using an install ISO that someone made. The trouble is that the ISO tries to fetch sources from woody instead of stable. Does anyone know where I can find a woody base repository or can update the ISO so it fetchs from stable/sarge ? |
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| 20:02.07 | Tunguska | hello |
| 20:02.10 | jelly | abrotman: I've never seen a turkey spam... mostly they walk around, eat cron, and get eaten. |
| 20:02.13 | xand | Strogg: why don't you get a new ISO? |
| 20:02.15 | jelly | corn* |
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| 20:02.23 | xand | eat cron? :O |
| 20:02.27 | Strogg | xand: he hasn't updated his site |
| 20:02.35 | xand | who hasn't? |
| 20:02.47 | rob11 | xand, i have a .elm file, it's a mail, i don't know how to open it and read it clearly, i know that outlook use this type of file |
| 20:02.48 | xand | what's wrong with a debian one/ |
| 20:02.49 | jelly | xand: yeah, mustn't let those birds near your crontabs. |
| 20:02.50 | abrotman | jelly: scroll up |
| 20:02.58 | Strogg | xand: I can't use the official ISOs because of the SCSI drive that it uses.. |
| 20:03.00 | rob11 | ops eml |
| 20:03.02 | rob11 | not elm |
| 20:03.11 | Strogg | s/drive/driver/ |
| 20:03.12 | bkankur | Hello friends i am facing problem with startx since a long and trying very hard to solve the problem.. I am getting no error message in /var/log/XFree86.0.log just warning messages which are same as in /var/log/gdm/.log |
| 20:03.13 | xand | rob11: aren't they plaintext... try a text editor. |
| 20:03.16 | jelly | abrotman: nah, I'm being dense purposefully |
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| 20:03.26 | abrotman | jelly: i konw |
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| 20:03.30 | bkankur | Here is the warnings http://rifers.org/paste/show/3493 |
| 20:03.39 | rob11 | xand, yes are text files, but i can't read it clearly |
| 20:03.48 | xand | rob11: why not? |
| 20:04.04 | kazukisan | from the basic install what is program that will handle .deb ? |
| 20:04.11 | bkankur | The warnings are related to No symbol found. |
| 20:04.11 | xand | dpkg |
| 20:04.14 | rob11 | xand, i think there are an attachment and html |
| 20:04.28 | xand | rob11: mailx -f something.eml |
| 20:04.35 | rob11 | xand, ok thanks |
| 20:04.58 | xand | might work anyway |
| 20:05.04 | karsten | rob11: What's 'file foo.eml' tell you? |
| 20:05.18 | karsten | rob11: ... and what are you trying to do with this file? |
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| 20:06.04 | unlink | how do i get usb-storage to modprobe automatically when i want to mount from a usb drive? |
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| 20:06.11 | unlink | with autofs |
| 20:06.12 | rob11 | karsten, just read it, and if there is an attachment look what is it |
| 20:06.25 | karsten | rob11: 'less'. |
| 20:06.29 | stew | unlink: if you list usb-storage in /etc/modules it will be loaded at boot |
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| 20:06.46 | karsten | rob11: or: mutt -f <filenaM> |
| 20:06.47 | unlink | stew: thanks--is there a way to get it loaded on demand? |
| 20:06.51 | karsten | <filename> even. |
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| 20:07.02 | karsten | unlink: That's what hotplug's all about. |
| 20:07.15 | karsten | unlink: ... unless you're Canadian. |
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| 20:07.22 | unlink | I'm not, I swear. |
| 20:07.26 | karsten | unlink: ... in which case it's what hotplug's all about, eh. |
| 20:07.30 | abrotman | smells canadian! |
| 20:07.34 | karsten | aboot. |
| 20:07.36 | Entheogen | guys, has any1 made radeon 9000 direct rendering on etch?? |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | !any1 |
| 20:07.40 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 20:07.54 | Ronin | abrotman: sorry i farter earlier you may be smelling that |
| 20:07.57 | rpc | can i have a few vsftpd servers running at the same time? |
| 20:08.01 | rpc | diff ports |
| 20:08.19 | abrotman | Ronin: i'm upwind! |
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| 20:08.26 | unlink | karsten: could you point me to the relevant docs? |
| 20:08.31 | abrotman | Entheogen: it should just work .. check your X log |
| 20:08.38 | stew | unlink: do you have udev installed? |
| 20:08.41 | Entheogen | !paste |
| 20:08.42 | dpkg | paste is, like, Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 20:08.58 | unlink | stew: yes |
| 20:09.08 | abrotman | it's not a virus! |
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| 20:09.39 | cherrybonbon | hoi guys, im installing debian and want to use it as a webserver - how would you suggest me to make the partitions? (i plan to run a mail-server, mysql and httpd) |
| 20:09.42 | stew | unlink: then forget about hotplug |
| 20:09.54 | stew | unlink: you could use ivman instead of autofs |
| 20:09.57 | Entheogen | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5316 |
| 20:10.01 | Entheogen | this is mine x log |
| 20:10.13 | unlink | stew: why? |
| 20:10.19 | stew | unlink: why what? |
| 20:10.25 | unlink | why ivman? |
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| 20:10.32 | stew | unlink: its easier than autofs |
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| 20:10.41 | stew | unlink: nevermind |
| 20:11.07 | cydork | !maint ivman |
| 20:11.12 | dpkg | ivman: Mike O'Connor <stew@vireo.org> |
| 20:11.12 | karsten | unlink: Should just work mostly. |
| 20:11.35 | jelly | cherrybonbon: how many users? how many domains? how much raw space do you have? |
| 20:11.51 | unlink | karsten: the problem is autofs doesn't work when there's no device node, which udev doesn't create unless the module is loaded |
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| 20:12.23 | rob11 | ok resolved, thanks for the help guys |
| 20:12.38 | stew | unlink: what version of udev is installed? |
| 20:12.45 | Tunguska | Hello!! How about PS3 and Debian??? |
| 20:12.47 | karsten | unlink: Sorry, not my area of expertise. |
| 20:13.09 | karsten | unlink: Hotplug should detect USB insert/remove events, however, and load modules. IIUC. |
| 20:13.23 | stew | s/hotplug/udev/ |
| 20:13.29 | abrotman | Entheogen: you don't need flgrx for that card .. and it may not even work at all |
| 20:13.52 | Entheogen | abrotman, i tryed 'radeon' and 'ati' drivers and it didn't worked either |
| 20:13.53 | stew | unlink: udev loads usb-storage for me when i plug in a usb drive |
| 20:13.55 | abrotman | Entheogen: unless you're trying to use tvout or something |
| 20:14.06 | unlink | stew: it's already plugged in at boot |
| 20:14.07 | Entheogen | nope, i don't need tvout |
| 20:14.17 | Entheogen | just 3d acceleration |
| 20:14.20 | unlink | udev 0.103-2 |
| 20:14.21 | abrotman | Entheogen: also .. aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:14.23 | stew | unlink: if you unplug it and replug it, do you get usb-storage loaded for you? |
| 20:14.42 | Strogg | wicked. I found what I needed. http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/ |
| 20:14.44 | unlink | stew: yes, but that causes other problems |
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| 20:14.55 | Entheogen | abrotman, i have that installed |
| 20:14.55 | abrotman | Entheogen: what's your video card? lspci | grep VGA |
| 20:15.07 | abrotman | Entheogen: well .. your kernel version doesn't match the one in etch |
| 20:15.10 | stew | unlink: if this is going to be plugged in a boot, list usb-storage in /etc/modules so that it gets loaded at boot |
| 20:15.22 | Entheogen | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 If [Radeon 9000] (rev 01) |
| 20:15.40 | Entheogen | how do you mean it doesnt match the one in etch |
| 20:15.40 | unlink | stew: the only mechanism for modprobing on demand is when the device is connected? |
| 20:15.41 | abrotman | Entheogen: DRM module isn't loaded |
| 20:15.53 | abrotman | Entheogen: try to install the pacakge i said above |
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| 20:16.06 | abrotman | [drm] failed to load kernel module "fglrx" |
| 20:16.07 | abrotman | (WW) fglrx(0): Failed to open DRM connection |
| 20:16.07 | Entheogen | abrotman, it is already installed... |
| 20:16.13 | abrotman | Entheogen: weird |
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| 20:16.26 | stew | does fglrx even support a 9000 still? |
| 20:16.29 | abrotman | Entheogen: aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:16.35 | abrotman | stew: according to his log it does |
| 20:16.38 | stew | Entheogen: why are you using the non-free driver instead of the free driver? |
| 20:16.40 | abrotman | !tell Entheogen about fglrx |
| 20:16.52 | amphi | Entheogen: that's fully supported by the xorg driver |
| 20:16.52 | abrotman | i think he's not loading the DRM module for the kernel |
| 20:16.53 | Entheogen | yep |
| 20:16.54 | Entheogen | stew, i have older driver that supports 9000 |
| 20:16.55 | Entheogen | but still i cannot make direct rendering work even with dri drivers... |
| 20:16.55 | cherrybonbon | jelly: 2x 400gig with raid, 4gig ram |
| 20:17.03 | stew | Entheogen: why are you using the non-free driver instead of the free driver? |
| 20:17.25 | Entheogen | stew, i tryed this non-free driver because free doesn't work either |
| 20:17.48 | stew | Entheogen: why doesn't the free driver work? |
| 20:18.02 | cherrybonbon | jelly: the amount of users will be at about 500 |
| 20:18.14 | HardDisk_WP | heya |
| 20:18.32 | Entheogen | stew, thats what i'm trying to figure out :) |
| 20:18.38 | HardDisk_WP | anyone of you knowing how to use my HP Colorado T1000 tape streamer in debian? |
| 20:18.54 | HardDisk_WP | i dunno which file in /dev it is |
| 20:19.01 | HardDisk_WP | it's connected to floppy |
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| 20:20.48 | cherrybonbon | jelly: hm, probably it would be better to use lvm? |
| 20:21.02 | jelly | cherrybonbon: possibly, if you're comfortable with that. |
| 20:21.30 | ebbs | hi. What would you recommend, which firewall I should install... |
| 20:21.47 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, /dev/ftape?? |
| 20:21.48 | Ronin | ebbs: iptables |
| 20:21.57 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, dont exist |
| 20:22.07 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, modprobe ftape? |
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| 20:22.12 | kazukisan | Okay i installed debian etch with a network cabled plugged in, but i want to get my wifi card working and i don't think it installed it or something? |
| 20:22.18 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, or /dev/ftape0 ?? |
| 20:22.21 | Ronin | ebbs: and if you dont like cmd line editing theres a ton of x front ends to it |
| 20:22.34 | amphi | kazukisan: what card? |
| 20:22.49 | jelly | cherrybonbon: I'd go with separate /, /var, /tmp, /home, maybe split /home to 4 smaller partitions -- it's a good idea for backup and fsck. |
| 20:22.49 | kazukisan | amphi, i would have to look that up its a HP dv6000z |
| 20:22.51 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, ah...i will try this when i am back at school, where the thing is located |
| 20:23.21 | jelly | cherrybonbon: /boot if you need it. |
| 20:23.32 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Ftape-HOWTO-1.html (the ftape HOWTO) |
| 20:23.33 | amphi | kazukisan: what can anyone suggest if you don't even know what card you have? |
| 20:23.34 | ebbs | Ronin, do you have to know much about package-filtering to use it? |
| 20:23.44 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, if i load the module will the /dev/ file be created automatically? |
| 20:24.00 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, but maybe, the ftape module isn't built for your kernel |
| 20:24.10 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, standard 2.6 kernel |
| 20:24.11 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, do you use plain-dev, devfs or udev?? |
| 20:24.22 | kazukisan | amphi, 802.11b/g WLAN is all HP tell's me i got to figure out more i think one sec |
| 20:24.30 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, skolelinux aka debian-edu, at boot i read devfs |
| 20:24.31 | abrotman | Entheogen: check with modconf to see if the module is being loaded |
| 20:24.36 | amphi | kazukisan: lspci is yoyr friend |
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| 20:24.41 | cherrybonbon | jelly: well ty for your hints :) i think ill do some investigation in lvm and study the docus about partitioning ^^ |
| 20:24.45 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, skolelinux basing on debian sarge |
| 20:24.46 | Entheogen | what module :) |
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| 20:25.53 | karsten | Fix for tcpspy chattiness: write a single 'not' rule parenthetically grouping w/ OR conditions stuff you don't want to log: NOT ( condition a OR condition b OR condition C ) |
| 20:25.57 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, hmm skolelinux is not debian. So I can't tell you if it has ftape support and if it's made for plain-dev (you have to create /dev/ftape yourself) or devfs/udev (/dev entries will be generated automaticlly) |
| 20:26.06 | kazukisan | amphi, Network controller: Broadcom corporation dell wireless 1390 WLAN mini-PCI Card (rev 01) |
| 20:26.08 | karsten | ... which makes think if you sense about it. |
| 20:26.15 | xerophyte_ | is this good domain name for bookcynic.com for books review site ? |
| 20:26.27 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, at least its sources.list contain only the debian mirrors so i assume it is debian |
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| 20:26.35 | abrotman | xerophyte_: pageturner.net! |
| 20:26.42 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, how do I create a /dev file? |
| 20:26.56 | abrotman | xerophyte_: or not ... |
| 20:27.01 | Kevin` | kazukisan why do people who use linux buy broadcom? support has always been an issue with them |
| 20:27.20 | xerophyte_ | abrotman, ?? |
| 20:27.26 | abrotman | xerophyte_: already taken |
| 20:27.35 | kazukisan | Kevin`, i was not planing on putting linux at first on here and HP did not give me a choice |
| 20:27.41 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, `cd /dev && MAKEDEV ftape` as root should do it |
| 20:27.42 | xerophyte_ | abrotman, you mean bookcynic.com |
| 20:27.45 | amphi | kazukisan: there is some sort of broadcom linux driver, dunno if it works with that card; in short, broadcom is t3h sukc |
| 20:27.50 | abrotman | xerophyte_: no .. pageturner.net is taken |
| 20:28.01 | xerophyte_ | abrotman, whats wrong with bookcynic |
| 20:28.02 | karsten | Kevin`: It's a very popular chipset. People don't think. |
| 20:28.12 | abrotman | xerophyte_: nothing .. makes you sound grumpy though :) |
| 20:28.13 | karsten | Kevin`: And yes, it's a f*cking nightmare to get running. |
| 20:28.27 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, or `cd /dev && ./MAKEDEV ftape` ( the "./" is different) |
| 20:28.52 | Kevin` | I have only two broadcom devices here, a rather old card from before I used linux much that works with the opensource driver, and an access point |
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| 20:29.17 | Kevin` | kazukisan have you tried ndiswrapper? |
| 20:29.35 | kazukisan | Kevin`, i think i just installed it with dcconfig |
| 20:29.38 | xerophyte_ | abrotman, wants to post reviews of books i have hard time finding real good books ;) |
| 20:29.53 | kazukisan | Kevin`, how do i run it |
| 20:30.01 | Kevin` | kazukisan i'm not familar with that utility, nor do I have it |
| 20:30.03 | HardDisk_WP | weissi thx |
| 20:30.07 | Kevin` | (dcconfig) |
| 20:30.18 | kazukisan | Kevin`, how do i run ndiswrapper |
| 20:30.21 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, no |
| 20:30.25 | weissi | HardDisk_WP, np ;-) |
| 20:31.18 | HardDisk_WP | weissi, ?? |
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| 20:32.20 | HardDisk_WP | :D: |
| 20:32.23 | pinks | what's the best place to bone up on writing simple scripts ? |
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| 20:34.17 | mzilikazi | pinks: google advanced bash-scripting guide |
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| 20:40.31 | anser | anyone know if there is a major difference or not at all between sata laptop hard drives and desktop sata drives? i.e., does plugging a laptop sata hd into a desktop cause any worry |
| 20:42.01 | mindframe | anyone know the default password for mysql admin ? |
| 20:42.11 | jetscreamer | it's blank isn't it |
| 20:42.21 | BrownFrog | yeah, should be blank; mysql -u root |
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| 20:42.25 | jetscreamer | as in empty |
| 20:42.31 | mindframe | thx |
| 20:43.35 | mindframe | hrmm i use mysqladmin to change it right? |
| 20:43.39 | BrownFrog | anser: as far as I know, at most you should have to use an adaptor if the connections (data or power) are different; otherwise, it shou,d be fine |
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| 20:44.29 | BrownFrog | mindframe, yup, or you can change it in the command-line client with SET PASSWORD = PASSWORD('foobar') |
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| 20:44.48 | BrownFrog | mindframe: (assuming that you want to set the currently logged-in user's password) |
| 20:45.19 | jetscreamer | btw |
| 20:45.31 | jetscreamer | it's STILL gathering information |
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| 20:45.38 | jetscreamer | the vs 2005 sp1 |
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| 20:45.55 | jetscreamer | this is what i meant by LONG TIME |
| 20:46.02 | treyh0 | CodeR has an autojoin spam (porn message) |
| 20:46.03 | stew | mindframe: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-$version/README.Debian |
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| 20:46.18 | jetscreamer | you should all install it! |
| 20:46.27 | foc | hi the corresponding kernel sources to kernel image-2.6.18-1 686 |
| 20:46.32 | foc | are on kernel.org ? |
| 20:46.39 | treyh0 | aww dpkg is ignoring me :( |
| 20:46.43 | jetscreamer | no |
| 20:46.52 | jetscreamer | he had his factoids rearranged |
| 20:46.56 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 20:46.57 | dpkg_ | Test Failed. |
| 20:47.06 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
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| 20:49.13 | foc | so? |
| 20:49.31 | NotStew | i don't know why onjoin spammers never ever spam me |
| 20:50.04 | jelly | !why is preseed not in testing |
| 20:50.04 | dpkg_ | preseed is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=preseed |
| 20:50.09 | mortal5 | !ext3->ext2 |
| 20:50.09 | dpkg_ | i heard ext3->ext2 is tune2fs -O ^has_journal, and edit /etc/fstab and change ext3 to ext2 |
| 20:50.42 | anser | BrownFrog: you understand that it is a sata drive; the connections are identical, but no electrical issues I'm wondering |
| 20:50.50 | mortal5 | gah! |
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| 20:54.22 | BrownFrog | anser: I know it's a SATA drive, but I've never worked with SATA laptop drives before, so I was just covering possible problems; if there are no eletrical issues with PATA, I'd assume there aren't with SATA, but I'm not 100% sure of course |
| 20:54.24 | etchjster | gdm gives me 3 options gnome,kde,metacity how do i use metacity? |
| 20:54.31 | n3kl_ | Does anyone know of a way to change ntfs permissions in linux? |
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| 20:56.10 | n3kl_ | Hi. |
| 20:56.20 | n3kl_ | How can I do a for loop in dos? |
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| 20:56.30 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 20:56.37 | n3kl_ | ah |
| 20:56.40 | n3kl_ | I thought I was in windows |
| 20:56.41 | n3kl_ | sorry |
| 20:56.43 | abrotman | and there are *tons* of BATCH programming bokos online |
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| 20:57.03 | agreif | does anybody know a debian repository to get the package python-wxgtk2.8? I looked for testing and unstable repositories, but found nothing. |
| 20:57.16 | stew | agreif: there isn't one |
| 20:57.22 | jetscreamer | !pdo |
| 20:57.22 | dpkg_ | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 20:57.29 | n3kl_ | still, is there a way to change ntfs permissions from linux? |
| 20:58.06 | agreif | stew: is there a reason for it? because even for ubuntu there are prebuilt packages |
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| 20:58.07 | lemmy | hi |
| 20:58.44 | jelly | !info python-wxgtk2.8 |
| 20:58.49 | jelly | !info python-wxgtk2.8 sid |
| 20:59.06 | jelly | agreif: no such thing, apparently |
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| 20:59.14 | stew | agreif: dunno, check wnpp for an itp |
| 20:59.30 | lemmy | i'm running etch with exim4 set to use a smarthost. for some reason the smarthost responses with "sender verfiy failed" for a few of the system users while excepting others. i'm unable to see some kind of pattern/reason. |
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| 21:00.54 | jelly | lemmy: look at their From / envelope-from... sender verify tries to check if the address is valid on the MX of the domain in question. |
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| 21:03.55 | ebbs | What does this error means? : Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed... How can I avoid this? |
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| 21:04.34 | robin_sz | anyone know of a biometric/fingerprint reader that works with Linux? |
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| 21:05.41 | ebbs | robin_sz, yes http://www.authentec.com/getpage.cfm?sectionID=81 |
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| 21:06.35 | ebbs | robin_sz, it is included in LG laptops....Ive got one |
| 21:06.57 | Growly | i have a question which is completely unrelated to debian (except, essentially, it runs on debian) |
| 21:07.24 | Growly | can i redirect proxy traffic to to an http port and expect it to work? |
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| 21:07.42 | Growly | or the protocol different in a bizarre, unmanglable way? |
| 21:08.13 | troubled | Growly: if apache was setup as a proxy server maybe |
| 21:08.47 | troubled | Growly: i assume you mean if you had apache running on 80 could you proxy through it? |
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| 21:09.48 | h3sp4wn | Growly: Maybe you want the transparant proxy part of squid |
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| 21:10.33 | troubled | h3sp4wn: isnt that a fun pig |
| 21:10.52 | h3sp4wn | squid is easy |
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| 21:11.11 | troubled | lots of configurability thats for sure |
| 21:11.28 | h3sp4wn | Its logical though |
| 21:11.30 | Growly | A walled garden is a garden which is surrounded by high walls. |
| 21:11.34 | troubled | well, to tweak it for performance i guess. does work nice out of the box though |
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| 21:12.43 | BrownFrog | How can one set up /etc/fstab such that either a single normal user or all users can both read and write to an ext3 mount? (I kludge it with uid=[my own uid] for my FAT32 partition) |
| 21:12.46 | h3sp4wn | I don't think its that well setup out of the box |
| 21:12.51 | Growly | h3sp4wn an troubled - well, we're trying to make a captive portal. ofcourse we didn't know captive portals existed when we started, so now we're coding our own. simply, wireless clients use by default a proxy (for their ethernet connections), but we want them to be redirected to a web page as soon as they start the browser |
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| 21:13.16 | dan2 | how do I disable a password on an account |
| 21:13.18 | Growly | (when the connect to wifi) |
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| 21:14.08 | robin_sz | ebbs, I was looking for something USB like ... that I can plug into a boxen |
| 21:14.20 | Growly | at the moment, iptables is running on a router through which all traffic must flow (by design), and that redirects 8080 traffic anywhere to 80 on the machine itself (where apache runs an auth page) |
| 21:14.22 | troubled | Growly: oh, you just mean you wanna take address x.x.x.x and force its web traffic to web server y.y.y.y's web server to display a "login/intro" page before network access is givenn? |
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| 21:14.39 | Growly | troubled - pretty much, yeup |
| 21:14.39 | GeorgeS069 | Growly: Sounds like you want to setup a WiFi "hotspot"...could probably do a google search for hotspot and find a few how-to's |
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| 21:14.52 | biloti | Hi. Any idea to reduce ssh lantency? It takes almost 6 sec to log onto a machine in the same network (through public key authentication) |
| 21:14.57 | Kevin` | how do I calibrate/use a touchscreen in debian? |
| 21:15.02 | Growly | GeorgeS069 - yeah, turns out there are a lot of solutions out there... but we started our own and i must not quit half way! |
| 21:15.11 | Kevin` | biloti slow computers? |
| 21:15.33 | biloti | Kevin: not at all. Two pentium 4 |
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| 21:15.47 | biloti | both with debian etch |
| 21:15.51 | BrownFrog | dan2: Found this on the Ubuntu guide (as they have to deal with passwords or lack thereof all the time :P ): passwd -l (user) |
| 21:15.52 | Kevin` | biloti reverse dns lookups can cause a long login time too |
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| 21:15.56 | troubled | Growly: yes, that would work as you expect it using iptables and some script glue |
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| 21:16.15 | biloti | Kevin: I use the IP directly |
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| 21:16.24 | troubled | dan2: usermod no? |
| 21:16.28 | Growly | troubled - so the difference between proxy traffic and normal http traffic is minimal? |
| 21:16.30 | Kevin` | biloti the remote computer will look up YOUR ip |
| 21:16.37 | Growly | damn, my iptables aint working. |
| 21:16.42 | Growly | thanks though |
| 21:16.49 | troubled | dan2: well, the new way. think a * in front of their shadow password do same though |
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| 21:16.52 | biloti | Kevin: is there a way to disable that? |
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| 21:16.56 | h3sp4wn | dan2: or you can use vipw -s and thange the password to ! |
| 21:16.58 | Kevin` | biloti I think it' |
| 21:17.04 | Kevin` | s an option in the sshd_config file |
| 21:17.06 | h3sp4wn | change* |
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| 21:17.14 | troubled | Growly: i thought you meant you wanted to run a proxy server for cachin downloads and such sry |
| 21:17.14 | eonbleu1 | ahoy |
| 21:17.18 | biloti | Kevin: let me see |
| 21:17.26 | eonbleu1 | i get the following error when i do sudo apt-get update |
| 21:17.26 | eonbleu1 | /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing |
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| 21:17.59 | dkr | maybe do a clean then update? |
| 21:18.05 | dan2 | passwd -l worked fine afaict |
| 21:18.16 | Growly | troubled - hahah nope, but shouldn't this do the job? assuming all ips are correct |
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| 21:18.17 | Growly | iptables -t nat --append PREROUTING -p tcp --source 10.0.1.0/24 -d 0/0 --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to 10.0.1.1 --to-port 81 |
| 21:18.19 | troubled | Growly: network speed wise, i doubt they would notice any speed drop during redirection (you need to be using a bridge or be the gateway for the clients) |
| 21:18.25 | eonbleu1 | then it gives more errors about missing partial dir |
| 21:18.29 | stew | eonbleu1: mkdir /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 21:18.34 | Growly | port 81 is meant to be 81, too |
| 21:18.41 | Kevin` | biloti if you can't find it anywhere you could just add yourself to the hosts file or see that dns lookups agains that ip range either work or return nxdomain quickly |
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| 21:19.11 | Kevin` | there IS an option though, somewhere |
| 21:19.15 | troubled | Growly: oh, 8080 is only gonna grab their proxy traffic. ok you do want a proxy |
| 21:19.17 | Entheogen | in what package is provided apt-setup? |
| 21:19.34 | Kevin` | !find bin/apt-setup |
| 21:19.41 | troubled | Growly: whats on port 81? squid or apache? |
| 21:19.41 | h3sp4wn | troubled: * doesn't lock the account ! does though (if something has password of * you can still su to it if it has a valid shell) |
| 21:19.54 | dpkg_ | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/apt-setup' returned no results. |
| 21:19.56 | Growly | troubled - sorry, that was the wrong line... this is the one |
| 21:19.57 | Growly | troubled - hmm, you see I want them to _not_ use a proxy |
| 21:19.58 | Kevin` | :( |
| 21:20.04 | Growly | iptables -t nat --append PREROUTING -p tcp --source 192.168.40.0/24 -d 0/0 --dport 8080 -j REDIRECT --to 192.168.40.1 --to-port 80 |
| 21:20.06 | Entheogen | .. |
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| 21:20.15 | troubled | h3sp4wn: shell /bin/false too then hehe. well usermod still best choice i guess :) |
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| 21:20.45 | biloti | Kevin: You were rigth. "UseDNS no" in sshd_config solved that latency. Thanks! |
| 21:20.47 | Growly | troubled - if you're still following me (i'm not), we want them to be redirected to an http site (bypassing the proxy), where they can authenticate, and from there on in they can continue to use the proxy normally (because their MAC is added as an exception to iptables) |
| 21:21.03 | Entheogen | how can i add a site to repository |
| 21:21.14 | Entheogen | i'm reffering to debian testing repository |
| 21:21.21 | Kevin` | Growly I believe the REDIRECT option doesn't take an ip address, could be wrong |
| 21:21.25 | troubled | Growly: i know what you want |
| 21:21.54 | Growly | Kevin` - hmmm, well it works for redirecting all other 80 traffic... :S |
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| 21:22.06 | troubled | Growly: question is, one, do the iptables rules work and redirect the traffic, and two, what do you have on port 80? apache or a proexy server? |
| 21:22.07 | Growly | i must admit i wrote this a year or two ago, and only now have to finish it |
| 21:22.16 | stew | Entheogen: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:22.28 | Entheogen | etch |
| 21:22.29 | GreenCult | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:22.42 | stew | Entheogen: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:22.52 | Growly | troubled - well, one, they redirect other traffic, as far as i can tell that rule doesn't work. i can redirect all port 80 to that machine... where there is an apache server running |
| 21:22.55 | h3sp4wn | troubled: what about using the dhcp server (and too seperate networks) |
| 21:22.55 | Entheogen | what should I add? :) |
| 21:23.09 | stew | Entheogen: what country are you in? |
| 21:23.29 | Kevin` | Growly -d is optional, no need to specify 0/0 |
| 21:23.31 | Entheogen | montenegro |
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| 21:24.18 | Growly | Kevin` - so if i ignore it it will redirect any traffic? that makes sense. |
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| 21:24.52 | stew | Entheogen: deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian etch main ; or change it for some other coutnry close to you |
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| 21:25.22 | troubled | Growly: is your machine the gateway out the network doing masq/nat for the clients? |
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| 21:25.26 | Entheogen | thanks |
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| 21:25.35 | Kevin` | it would have to be, to get the traffic |
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| 21:26.41 | Kevin` | does the minix filesystem have any significant advantages or disadvantes over fat12 besides the posixness? |
| 21:26.43 | troubled | im just not sure why he just doesnt block all cept port 80 to the net and force it through the web server |
| 21:27.20 | eonbleu1 | what is a good non-free repo |
| 21:27.26 | eonbleu1 | or a site that has a good list? |
| 21:27.32 | Entheogen | how can i install compiz on etch? |
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| 21:28.21 | cydork | !compiz |
| 21:28.21 | dpkg_ | from memory, compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server.. Check http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 21:28.26 | cydork | Entheogen: ^^ |
| 21:28.28 | eonbleu1 | !nonfree |
| 21:28.28 | dpkg_ | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
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| 21:28.36 | nivanson | is there any tool around to create keymaps for xkb with or will i have to make one manually? |
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| 21:28.54 | Entheogen | rhx |
| 21:29.11 | Kevin` | was that an answer to nivanson, Entheogen ? |
| 21:29.19 | Growly | troubled - the network topology is a little wierd, but is something like this: internet -> adsl router -> debian router -> five different subnets on five different gigabit ports |
| 21:29.19 | Kevin` | because i'm wondering too |
| 21:29.20 | eonbleu1 | !repositories |
| 21:29.23 | Kevin` | keymals are annoying |
| 21:29.28 | Flimzy | When/how is /var/lib/urandom/random-seed generated? |
| 21:29.38 | Entheogen | i'll read this wiki now.. :) |
| 21:29.48 | Phil2 | hi guys, I want to grep the output of a command for 2 phrases, one that must be contained and one that should not be contained. I tried "command | grep 'contain this' | grep -v 'not contain this'" but it doesn't work. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 21:29.55 | Kevin` | Growly that's not so wierd imo |
| 21:30.32 | Growly | Kevin` - well it's wierd because one of the subnets bypasses the debian router and goes straight to the adsl router with another set fo NICs |
| 21:30.35 | Kevin` | hopefully you have the adsl router in a non-NAT mode, for sanity reasons? :) |
| 21:31.26 | nivanson | there is no standard for dvorak in sweden and i lost my old personal one in a hd transfer. the one that is distrubuted with xorg is way out of line. no tools available for sure? this will take alot of time =/ |
| 21:31.33 | Growly | well because of that little back loop it has to be, we dont do masquerading on the debian router because it's not necessary |
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| 21:31.39 | eonbleu1 | what's a good wireless lan management app for gnome? |
| 21:31.48 | Kevin` | mine for example just routes between my wan ip range and it's ppp connection, no nat involved, makes things rather straightforward to work with |
| 21:32.17 | nivanson | eonbleu1, check this out: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 21:32.21 | Growly | troubled - we pretty much block all traffic anyway, the problem is that we want wifi users to be redirected to a webpage for authentication even though they are set by default to use proxies on other subnets |
| 21:32.28 | cydork | eonbleu1: there is also something called as wifi-radar. |
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| 21:32.40 | Growly | i've managed to get it to redirect other 80 traffic to the auth page (which sits on the debian router) |
| 21:33.01 | troubled | Growly: why is the one subnet bypassing the router? |
| 21:33.03 | Growly | have i lost everyone? |
| 21:33.23 | Growly | troubled - archaic reasons, but that's far and away from the problem at hand so we ignore it |
| 21:33.24 | Kevin` | troubled he's also using the adsl modem as a router |
| 21:33.31 | Growly | (if i had it my way, we'd rip it out and redo it all) |
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| 21:34.11 | troubled | nothing should be getting past the gateway you got running the firewall rules |
| 21:34.18 | cydork | !info chillispot |
| 21:34.20 | dpkg_ | chillispot: (Wireless LAN Access Point Controller), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0-4 (sid), Packaged size: 88 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
| 21:34.24 | troubled | if they can something isnt right |
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| 21:35.01 | cydork | Growly: ^^ |
| 21:35.14 | Growly | troubled - that loop is between two _other_ subnets, not the wifi one, so it's irrelevant i think - but i haven't explained myself |
| 21:35.30 | Growly | all i want to know is how to redirect proxy traffic to an http server - is that possible? |
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| 21:35.39 | Growly | cydork - we're doing our own, i'm not stopping now! |
| 21:35.56 | cydork | :) |
| 21:36.08 | Phil2 | hi guys, I want to grep the output of a command for 2 phrases, one that must be contained and one that should not be contained. I tried "command | grep 'contain this' | grep -v 'not contain this'" but it doesn't work. Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 21:36.23 | Inf3rn0[lt] | How do I perform a distro upgrade? |
| 21:36.33 | karsten | Inf3rn0[lt]: man aptitude |
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| 21:36.36 | troubled | Growly: as in all the clients 8080 out to internet redirect through to apache as well yes? |
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| 21:36.54 | karsten | Phil2: Check your output and regexes. |
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| 21:37.08 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
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| 21:37.18 | abrotman | Bo! |
| 21:37.18 | karsten | Phil2: The concept is right. Either you don't have what you're looking for, or you've structured your regexes wrong. |
| 21:37.24 | dkr | Phil2: that is how you would do it, maybe you misunderstand your problem |
| 21:37.26 | troubled | Growly: that would have the effect of catching all 8080 traffic regardless of which proxy server they enter though |
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| 21:37.34 | tubaman | Phil2, you're asking show me everything that "contains this" *and* doesn't contain "not contain this" |
| 21:37.52 | Phil2 | yes tubaman |
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| 21:38.12 | tubaman | not *or* |
| 21:38.21 | karsten | Phil2: Maybe you want to get a bit more specific as to what you're looking for and from what command. |
| 21:38.33 | abrotman | or ask #bash! :) |
| 21:38.41 | abrotman | give greycat hugs and kisses! |
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| 21:39.43 | Growly | troubled - yes |
| 21:39.47 | Growly | hmm?> |
| 21:40.03 | grummund | is there a debian kernel for Pentium I MMX ?, there used to be 586 but it seems no more... |
| 21:40.04 | troubled | Growly: whats wrong with apache doing it? |
| 21:40.15 | karsten | grummund: 386 |
| 21:40.16 | ebbs | What does this error means? : Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed... How can I avoid this? |
| 21:40.37 | karsten | ebbs: Context? What command generated that? |
| 21:40.44 | Growly | troubled - wellllllll, we use microsoft ISA on servers on a different subnet (long story), and basically i want to intercept any attempt to access it and redirect to a web page |
| 21:40.44 | karsten | @test |
| 21:40.45 | ravenbird | Yes, karsten, you're still online. |
| 21:40.46 | troubled | Growly: apache is a web server and can be configured to proxy (what address allow, what it matches and to what it redirects are configurable) |
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| 21:40.59 | eonbleu1 | network manager wants a newer vers. of wireless-tools |
| 21:41.01 | eonbleu1 | hrmph |
| 21:41.06 | Growly | troubled - so you're saying i redirect the proxy traffic to an apache proxy? |
| 21:41.10 | Growly | that could work. |
| 21:41.17 | grummund | karsten: are you sure 386? I'm running 2.6-486 right now... |
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| 21:41.17 | karsten | @tell ebbs about smart questions |
| 21:41.27 | troubled | Growly: the intercepting rules are all about the firewall. the web pages all handled by apache. proxy or normal request |
| 21:41.29 | karsten | !tell grummund about search |
| 21:41.29 | ChrisGo | how do you mount a usb drive that was found when inserted? |
| 21:41.41 | karsten | grummund: 23k packages. I don't have 'em all mesmerised. |
| 21:41.42 | eonbleu1 | !wireless-tools |
| 21:42.04 | Kevin` | eonbleu1 ? |
| 21:42.05 | grummund | karsten: ok so it was a guess |
| 21:42.13 | ebbs | karsten, it was after entering fwbuilder |
| 21:42.15 | troubled | Growly: thats the theory of it. not sure what versions of apache have what support and all that, but thats probably the easiet way to handle it |
| 21:42.50 | karsten | grummund: Looks as if it's 486 then. |
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| 21:42.58 | Growly | troubled - ty, ty. |
| 21:42.59 | troubled | Growly: i suppose you could have also used a squid proxy and made some/all of the traffic to it point to the apache server locally instead as well. but if you already have apache installed and running.... |
| 21:43.11 | grummund | anyone happen to know why Pentium I kernels no longer pre-built for Debian? |
| 21:43.12 | Phil2 | it's the output of a tcpflow -c karsten |
| 21:43.17 | Growly | i'll play with squid, that'll be fun :) |
| 21:43.35 | troubled | Growly: #apache could prolly explain the 5 or 6 lines you need to enable it for an all encompasing rule |
| 21:43.40 | karsten | grummund: There was some discussion about whether or not to continue w/ 386, and/or whether or not it was meaningful to specifically break out pentium. I believe the decisions were "no" on both counts. |
| 21:43.55 | ChrisGo | I inserted a USB drive at command line it seemed to find and register it. Now how can I pull files form it please? |
| 21:44.11 | karsten | grummund: They're 1. ancient and 2. there's limited build server capacity. |
| 21:44.11 | cydork | !usb storage |
| 21:44.11 | dpkg_ | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 21:44.19 | Kevin` | karsten that would only effect the kernel, right? not usermode code? |
| 21:44.25 | cydork | ChrisGo: ^^ |
| 21:44.26 | eonbleu1 | where can i find the wireless-tools homepage to get a tarball? |
| 21:44.30 | eonbleu1 | google sux |
| 21:44.36 | mikefoo | anna nicole smith died =\ |
| 21:44.39 | Growly | troubled - sweet, i'll go there. so I can't just redirect proxy traffic to a webserver and expect it to work then? hehehe |
| 21:44.42 | troubled | cydork: now we just gotta program dpkg to spit the right answers out at the right time and were set |
| 21:44.47 | cydork | eonbleu1: debian has wireless-tools package. |
| 21:44.47 | Kevin` | eonbleu1 http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html |
| 21:44.48 | Guerin | hah, ubuntu going proprietary |
| 21:44.51 | Kevin` | googlw works fine. |
| 21:44.53 | Guerin | pure class |
| 21:45.11 | troubled | Growly: mod_proxy or something. if it supports true proxy no idea |
| 21:45.11 | cydork | troubled: true we even had talked about that. :P |
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| 21:45.31 | Kevin` | debian usermode packages not working for 486/386 would be annoying |
| 21:45.37 | karsten | Kevin`: Yeah. There are specific optimizations in the Pentium (vs. PPro/PII/PIII) instruction set which the kernel could use. |
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| 21:45.44 | dav_ | elo |
| 21:46.19 | karsten | grummund: ... so 486 is there for people who absolutely need it. The hidden message is "if you're running P-class hardware, upgrade already". |
| 21:46.19 | troubled | Growly: just something i browsed over in apache manual. sounds exactly what you want. has forward and reverse proxy support. but if its the same 'protocol' as that 8080 traffic, no idea ;) gl |
| 21:46.19 | dav_ | how is it possible to install debian on a laptop for having pcmcia and wifi running on the first boot (in orgder to get package from the net) |
| 21:46.32 | robin_sz | so, it looks like Linux USB fingerprint readers are non-existant |
| 21:46.35 | grummund | karsten: thanks so much |
| 21:46.38 | Kevin` | 486 is still somewhat common for embedded cpus |
| 21:46.42 | eonbleu1 | cydork: when I go to compile NetworkManager it says I need v28 or newer |
| 21:46.50 | eonbleu1 | and apt only returns v27 |
| 21:46.56 | cydork | Guerin: huh? link? |
| 21:46.57 | eonbleu1 | cydork: where can i get a newer package? |
| 21:47.06 | Guerin | cydork: /. |
| 21:47.11 | cydork | eonbleu1: compile?? why are you compiling? |
| 21:47.15 | karsten | Kevin`: yeah, but how critical is performance on same? |
| 21:47.16 | Kevin` | dav_ pcmcia or cardbus? and which wireless chipset? |
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| 21:47.37 | troubled | cydork: im sure if you gathered a bunch of statical info on every question ever asked from the logs about a particular topic (Assuming the basic language format stands out above the rest, ie: simple questions) im sure you could make a generic regex for each factoid. that about what you meant? |
| 21:47.55 | robin_sz | there is 1 USB device supported, the Siemens USB-ID mouse, and the driver for that just returns an image of the fingerprint on it ... hardly very useful I suspect |
| 21:48.02 | Growly | troubled - hmmm, thanks again! |
| 21:48.03 | eonbleu1 | cydork: is there a networkmanager package? cant find it on apt |
| 21:48.06 | eonbleu1 | using apt rather |
| 21:48.07 | cydork | troubled: ya sure.. blootbot should be able to do that :P |
| 21:48.21 | troubled | Growly: let me know if it works. havent played with mod_proxy yet |
| 21:48.33 | karsten | grummund: General discussion of etch kernels: http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ |
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| 21:48.42 | Kevin` | karsten having the install kernel support only newer cpus I could understand, since anyone working on older hardware or embedded will be compiling their own, but all the debian packages would be very annoying |
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| 21:48.58 | cydork | eonbleu1: which version of debian are you using? |
| 21:48.59 | troubled | cydork: aside from the "what is X?". i mean something that could learn english in a statical way :) |
| 21:49.28 | cydork | troubled: emacs doc? :P |
| 21:49.33 | troubled | cydork: bah nm lol. like we want dpkg spitting out paragraph long messages too often |
| 21:49.45 | karsten | Kevin`: Packages shouldn't be arch-dependent within i386 with very few exceptions, mostly crypto stuff with high duty cycles (SSL/TSA is the usual example). |
| 21:49.49 | troubled | cydork: dont use emacs :( |
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| 21:50.13 | cydork | troubled: how dare you say that? :P |
| 21:50.18 | karsten | grummund: Looks as if there should be a 586 build for 2.4 images. |
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| 21:51.02 | dav_ | Kevin`, pcmcia atheros |
| 21:51.13 | Kevin` | dav_ are you sure it's not cardbus atheros? |
| 21:51.15 | cydork | troubled: also dpkg can send a private :P |
| 21:51.26 | dav_ | Kevin`, it's a pcmcia card |
| 21:51.50 | troubled | cydork: suppose privates arent bad |
| 21:51.52 | Kevin` | dav_ cardbus and pcmcia look the same, pcmcia is 16bit and works at 5v, cardbus is pci based and works at 3 |
| 21:51.59 | dav_ | Kevin`, it works with the knoppix but i have seen that install through wifi was not possible |
| 21:52.05 | karsten | grummund: For 2.6, it's: 386, 486, 686, 686-smp, amd65-generic, amd64-k8, amd64-k8-smp, em64t-p4, em5t-p4-smp. There's alsoxen, bigmem, and vserver builds. |
| 21:52.13 | eonbleu1 | cydork im using testing |
| 21:52.16 | eonbleu1 | "etch" |
| 21:52.16 | troubled | cydork: so long as everyone runnin a bot didnt all message you all teh time |
| 21:52.20 | Kevin` | dav_ should be possible with a little creativity. |
| 21:52.42 | dav_ | Kevin`, yes with several cds |
| 21:52.48 | dav_ | Kevin`, that s what u mean ? |
| 21:53.03 | Kevin` | I don't think i'd need more then one floppy disk, actually |
| 21:53.27 | dav_ | Kevin`, because on my install i have downloaded also the CD2 but i don't know the aim of it ... it shld contain oother package isn't it ? |
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| 21:53.39 | robin_sz | Kevin`, the ideal number of floppy disks is zero |
| 21:53.50 | Kevin` | dav_ the full cds (cd1-16 or so) are for non-networked install |
| 21:53.53 | cydork | eonbleu1: there is kwifimanager for kde, there is wifi-radar also gnome-network or something.. |
| 21:54.29 | Kevin` | dav_ you can install a base system with cd1 and no networking |
| 21:54.43 | dav_ | Kevin`, yes but on 1 of those 16 i shld found all tools needed without networks and also a kernel supporting pcmcia and wifi ? |
| 21:55.15 | Kevin` | dav_ dunno, i'd worry about that after the install was done. it will probably support pcmcia and wifi, but might not have the atheros driver |
| 21:55.15 | nivanson | Oh my... The config files for XKB are really bad... =/ |
| 21:55.20 | Kevin` | your installing etch, right? |
| 21:55.27 | eonbleu1 | cydork: im getting there with the compiling --- i just keep having to apt-get libraries to get further |
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| 21:55.28 | eonbleu1 | heh |
| 21:55.34 | eonbleu1 | cydork: it's taken me 15 minutes so far |
| 21:55.36 | karsten | dav_: The <n> CDs of the full installation set include *all* ~20k packages included in Debian. They're arranged from most to least popular (per popcon) on the disks. |
| 21:55.40 | eonbleu1 | to get almost through the ./configure |
| 21:55.59 | karsten | dav_: The first disc should be more than sufficient for a base installation. In fact most of us here would strongly recommend a netinst. |
| 21:56.17 | robin_sz | net install, the one true way. |
| 21:56.24 | robin_sz | burn the heretics! |
| 21:56.32 | karsten | robin_sz: I tried. |
| 21:56.38 | karsten | robin_sz: They don't fit in my CD drive. |
| 21:56.51 | Kevin` | Eh? |
| 21:56.55 | Kevin` | how can a cd you burn not fit |
| 21:56.56 | dav_ | Kevin`, sure this is what i use on my hom ecomputer but i wondered if kernels image of last debian includ epcmcia and wifi support by default ? |
| 21:57.01 | robin_sz | karsten, tie them to a pole, stack wood around it ... light it |
| 21:57.08 | troubled | robin_sz: net installs are for loosers :p |
| 21:57.16 | karsten | robin_sz: My CD drives? But I need them! |
| 21:57.26 | robin_sz | troubled, learn to spell 'losers' |
| 21:57.32 | karsten | robin_sz: And I've never met anyone from Poland who wanted a heretic tied to them. |
| 21:57.46 | Kevin` | dav_ i'm pretty sure they include pcmcia support, cardbus support (for your card), and wifi extensions support. but I don't know if they include madwifi |
| 21:57.50 | karsten | troubled: No, he meant the people who walk around with baggy pants to their knees. |
| 21:57.50 | robin_sz | karsten, for a price, I could introduce you to a few ... |
| 21:58.02 | troubled | robin_sz: loooooosssseeer! |
| 21:58.05 | karsten | robin_sz: Say no more! |
| 21:58.14 | troubled | s |
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| 21:58.35 | karsten | robin_sz: lser, loser, looser, loooser, looooser .... |
| 21:58.43 | troubled | :) |
| 21:58.47 | dav_ | Kevin`, ok i think oogle cld find me an exact list of all support from compiled kernel package |
| 21:59.07 | robin_sz | one of my pet hates is people getting lose/loose worng all the time |
| 21:59.17 | robin_sz | usually americans, for some reason |
| 21:59.19 | ChrisGo | thanks usb is working |
| 21:59.27 | Kevin` | dav_ you do realize you can add drivers without recompiling the kernel? |
| 21:59.28 | karsten | dav_: Um, Sorry? Parse error. |
| 21:59.46 | karsten | robin_sz: Yeah, I really loose my cool over that one. |
| 21:59.48 | dondelelcaro | robin_sz: because they're pronounced relatively similarly |
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| 21:59.59 | dav_ | Kevin`, yes with the module this is what u mean ? |
| 22:00.04 | Kevin` | yes |
| 22:00.07 | LLcoolM | does anyone know what happened to the dri snapshots? |
| 22:00.12 | troubled | karsten: :) heya btw |
| 22:00.12 | dondelelcaro | so a lot of people who learned phonetics tend to conflate them (or otherwise, people like to type 'o' a lot.) |
| 22:00.15 | roberth | hello, anyone have any tip for an less graphical irc client than irssi? |
| 22:00.27 | karsten | troubled: Why would anyone want a trouble daemon? |
| 22:00.31 | dondelelcaro | roberth: um... why would you use anything else/ |
| 22:00.35 | nivanson | roberth, bitchx |
| 22:00.35 | LLcoolM | since march 06 there has been no further snapshot |
| 22:00.37 | cydork | roberth: less graphical? |
| 22:00.49 | Kevin` | dav_ if there's a madwifi module for your architecture (i'm not running any i385 debian at the moment so I can't check) you could just install that, otherwise the madwifi source is just a few clicks and a usb thumbdrive away |
| 22:01.02 | troubled | karsten: wheither i cause troubled or prevent it has yet to be seen :) |
| 22:01.05 | roberth | cydork: yes, more simple one noe blue lines etc. |
| 22:01.16 | dav_ | Kevin`, i just understood :) when u install frst CD of debian it write list of package on all CD in the way that when u type apt-get istall blabla itsays: something like please insert CD <n> |
| 22:01.26 | stew | roberth: /set colors off |
| 22:01.29 | AI_coder | i just went to math with this, but i want to recruit some academics so they can advise, i'm appealing a grade and want to know if my appeal letter is over the top http://automatic-car-starter.com/namecleaned.pdf |
| 22:01.44 | troubled | karsten: but if you ever figure it out, package it for me would ya ;) |
| 22:01.51 | karsten | troubled: ;-) |
| 22:01.52 | cydork | roberth: that you can change with what stew said, there are some plain themes too. |
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| 22:02.01 | roberth | stew: i want colors |
| 22:02.05 | robin_sz | dondelelcaro, yeah, probably. phonetics is good for "getting going" first few words and all that, but doesnt relaly help larter on. very few english speakers ahve the faintest clue about how the language is constructed |
| 22:02.11 | stew | roberth: what don't you want? |
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| 22:02.43 | troubled | karsten: actually, i seen a bit of me creepin into 2.6.20. some IO layer failure stuff or something new they adding i see |
| 22:03.02 | dav_ | Kevin`, how to know wich package is on wich CDS ? |
| 22:03.20 | Ronin | dav_: i think thats listed on debian.org |
| 22:03.28 | cydork | !cd contents |
| 22:03.28 | dpkg_ | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 22:03.36 | Kevin` | dav_ dunno, I have never installed debian from the normal cds |
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| 22:03.42 | cydork | bahh now that's huge factoid! |
| 22:03.51 | Kevin` | ^^^ |
| 22:03.53 | h3sp4wn | roberth: try sic maybe |
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| 22:04.15 | [H]3b0R | okey ive tried bitchx to, still to graphical... |
| 22:04.26 | Kevin` | irssi? |
| 22:04.39 | Phil2 | telnet [H]3b0R? |
| 22:04.41 | karsten | [H]3b0R: irssi |
| 22:04.45 | h3sp4wn | sic |
| 22:05.02 | troubled | Phil2: nc better, just my $0.02 ;) |
| 22:05.02 | Kevin` | netcat is better for irc then telnet IMO |
| 22:05.03 | cydork | [Cadet]: sirc, also there are themes for irssi which look more plain |
| 22:05.03 | [H]3b0R | karsten: tried that one first, also to graphical |
| 22:05.12 | cydork | bah [H]3b0R ^^ |
| 22:05.14 | ChrisGo | does putty do ssh2? |
| 22:05.16 | stew | roberth: try editing .irssi/config and you can get rid of statusbars and such, or look for a simple irssi theme |
| 22:05.18 | [H]3b0R | phil2: is telnet an irc client? |
| 22:05.28 | troubled | ChrisGo: ya |
| 22:05.28 | stew | [H]3b0R: can be |
| 22:05.36 | karsten | ChrisGo: Yes |
| 22:05.38 | Kevin` | [H]3b0R it's a client that can do irc.. netcat is better |
| 22:05.43 | ChrisGo | sweet i installed ssh can i change it to ssh2? |
| 22:05.43 | Phil2 | no [H]3b0R but it'll create a connection to an irc server and allow you to send data |
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| 22:06.00 | karsten | [H]3b0R: In the hands of a suitably l337 h4x0r, yes. |
| 22:06.05 | Kevin` | ChrisGo any recent "ssh" package you install will be sshv2 compatible |
| 22:06.09 | ChrisGo | i said NO :O when it asked me to do ssh2 so is it a flag somewhere |
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| 22:06.25 | Kevin` | why would you say no to that? /etc/ssh/*_config |
| 22:06.27 | Guerin | ChrisGo: man sshd_config |
| 22:06.34 | [H]3b0R | hehe, you guys are funnyXD |
| 22:06.38 | Guerin | or ssh_config for the client, yeh |
| 22:06.50 | karsten | [H]3b0R: Come on, we don't smell *that* bad. |
| 22:07.00 | robin_sz | [H]3b0R, telent is also pretty good at sending email too |
| 22:07.24 | SerajewelKS | what exactly is "standard system" in the etch netinstall tasksel? |
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| 22:07.47 | [H]3b0R | telnet sound awful... |
| 22:07.49 | cydork | SerajewelKS: tasksel --task-packages |
| 22:07.57 | SerajewelKS | cydork: aha, thanks |
| 22:08.06 | karsten | [H]3b0R: Most binaries do when catted to /dev/dsp |
| 22:08.07 | Kevin` | anyone know how to calibrate/use a toucscreen in debian? if I start X the mouse is all screwey, doesn't go in the right places |
| 22:08.43 | [H]3b0R | im not that geek guys |
| 22:08.45 | robin_sz | [H]3b0R, you can also connect to webservers and imap servers, pop3 clients and a whole lot more with telent |
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| 22:08.51 | Jaume | Hi, I am trying to use netcat (nc) with bash using sockets, bash works, but tab completion and 'others' features like emacs editing does not work, any idea how to fix it? |
| 22:08.57 | SerajewelKS | cydork: --list-tasks does not show this choice |
| 22:09.02 | jelly | robin_sz: swaks is better for mail. |
| 22:09.06 | troubled | karsten: wonder if any bin's out they passed backwards through dsp has fsck up sayings in them? :) |
| 22:09.14 | ChrisGo | how do you start and stop a service after making changes to the sshd_config |
| 22:09.16 | troubled | s/they/there/ |
| 22:09.18 | cydork | SerajewelKS: hmm that's strange.. |
| 22:09.19 | karsten | Jaume: Does bash think it's interactive or batch mode? |
| 22:09.29 | stew | ChrisGo: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 22:09.30 | karsten | Jaume: I suspect it thinks the latter since it's not talking to a tty. |
| 22:09.32 | SerajewelKS | cydork: and i did chroot to /target first |
| 22:09.37 | jelly | robin_sz: s/mail/smtp/ |
| 22:09.45 | Jaume | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:10.00 | karsten | Jaume: Invoke with an interactive switch. man bash |
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| 22:10.06 | Jaume | bash -i? |
| 22:10.16 | Jaume | I am trying this, but I have the same result :( |
| 22:10.18 | karsten | Jaume: man bash |
| 22:10.18 | cydork | SerajewelKS: hmm i have nfc then :P |
| 22:10.27 | SerajewelKS | cydork: thanks anyway |
| 22:11.05 | robin_sz | jelly, many things are better for mail, but telnet can do email thats the point .. and irc and ... |
| 22:11.34 | Jaume | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.39 | SerajewelKS | cydork: i'm googling it |
| 22:11.51 | karsten | Jaume: What does the manpage say? |
| 22:12.01 | karsten | Jaume: My saying yes or no won't make it any more authoritative. |
| 22:12.04 | Jaume | bash -i |
| 22:12.11 | Jaume | but, it does not work :( |
| 22:12.21 | robin_sz | so, how do I tell bash I dont want `pwd` before my prompt? |
| 22:12.22 | karsten | Jaume: Well, then, that's not the solution, is it? |
| 22:12.33 | karsten | robin_sz: man bash. PS1 |
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| 22:13.21 | robin_sz | karsten, pattern not found |
| 22:13.41 | karsten | robin_sz: What pattern? |
| 22:13.41 | robin_sz | ah PS1 not PSl |
| 22:13.45 | karsten | Right. |
| 22:14.03 | SerajewelKS | cydork: shrug, i'll just uncheck everything and let apt do its job |
| 22:14.15 | tubaman | Kevin`, describe the mouse behaviour |
| 22:14.29 | cydork | SerajewelKS: heh that's the best way! :P |
| 22:14.37 | karsten | troubled: Furtive, sniffs a lot, seems to like cheese. |
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| 22:14.45 | karsten | tubaman: ^^ |
| 22:14.51 | SerajewelKS | cydork: actually it seems that i need it. because it installs grub, which the next step needs :) |
| 22:15.00 | tubaman | karsten, hehe |
| 22:15.02 | SerajewelKS | cydork: or i could aptitude install grub, but meh |
| 22:15.06 | Kevin` | tubaman it behaves like a touchscreen, but it's very noisy and goes to the wrong parts of the screen |
| 22:15.09 | dav_ | another question, if i have install several packages on my home linux and i hwant to install the same packages on my laptop what cld i do ? |
| 22:15.12 | cydork | SerajewelKS: heh |
| 22:15.24 | tubaman | Kevin`, try a different driver... which one are you using now? |
| 22:15.29 | karsten | dav_: Install them on your laptop. Next question? |
| 22:15.32 | SerajewelKS | cydork: i'm in "just get this shit done" mode right now :) |
| 22:15.41 | karsten | dav_: see also: dpkg --get-selections. man dpkg. man aptitude |
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| 22:16.17 | ChrisGo | if i wanted to run a bin installer like coldfusion (i know) is it chmod +x cf.bin? |
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| 22:16.20 | eonbleuz | anyone manage to get an ipw2100 wireless to work in debian? |
| 22:16.27 | eonbleuz | it seems that i have everything installed right |
| 22:16.33 | eonbleuz | but when i modprobe it fails |
| 22:16.39 | Kevin` | tubaman http://kwzs.be/~kevin/xorg.conf |
| 22:16.41 | Uranellus | is it possible to have a ~30 MB debian install with X (and no other graphical app)? |
| 22:16.43 | stew | eonbleuz: did you put firmware in /lib/firmware? |
| 22:16.44 | tubaman | ChrisGo, yes |
| 22:16.51 | karsten | ChrisGo: Really depends on what the .bin is, but if it is meant to be directly executed, in general, yes. |
| 22:16.51 | Guerin | Uranellus: no. |
| 22:17.05 | karsten | Uranellus: No. |
| 22:17.05 | enouf | SerajewelKS: tasksel ----task-packages desktop |
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| 22:17.09 | stew | Uranellus: its tough to get a working X install under 512mb |
| 22:17.14 | dav_ | karsten, thkx |
| 22:17.18 | karsten | Uranellus: Minimum install is about 60-90 MB, and that's just base. |
| 22:17.25 | tubaman | Kevin`, try using just "PS/2" instead of "ImPS/2" |
| 22:17.27 | ChrisGo | why doesnt my console have pretty colors :) |
| 22:17.27 | Guerin | Uranellus: for that small you want damnsmallinux |
| 22:17.30 | karsten | Uranellus: Smallest install I've managed is about 120MB |
| 22:17.35 | ChrisGo | like green for exectuable |
| 22:17.35 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not installing the desktop environment |
| 22:17.44 | tubaman | Kevin`, also what kind of touchpad is it? |
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| 22:17.56 | karsten | Uranellus: ... and even DSL is actually ~110MB uncompressed. The iso image itself may be ~50 MB but that's cheating a bit. |
| 22:17.59 | Kevin` | tubaman same result. sl-c3200 builtin hardware |
| 22:18.13 | enouf | whcich task are you selecting? SerajewelKS |
| 22:18.18 | ericP | anyone have a debian package of the vlc plugin DirectVobSub? |
| 22:18.20 | Uranellus | Guerin, karsten stew : thanks :) I've already tried DSL but I'm having problems getting it even smaller (want to boot it over net (pxe) and then load the rest afterwards) |
| 22:18.25 | k31th | how long does badblocks take on write mode for a 250GB disk on average? |
| 22:18.28 | ericP | (which i guess projects subtitles onto your movie) |
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| 22:19.26 | Kevin` | tubaman the particular physical driver is called corgi_ts and is built into the kernel. the debian stuff is otherwise stock etch |
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| 22:20.34 | karsten | Uranellus: You're trying to get a minimal PXE image to throw initially? Should just be the kernel, right? |
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| 22:20.46 | tubaman | Kevin`, hrmm... I'm out of ideas. It runs linux out-o-the-box, right? What does the pre-installed xorg.conf look like? |
| 22:20.58 | Kevin` | moment |
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| 22:21.11 | enouf | "standard system" is non-choosable, IIRC, so ergo .. it's a desktop env. |
| 22:21.50 | Uranellus | karsten: well I've got so far that I've been able to move the compressed filesystem into minird and load that as one file through tftp .. but still 50mb on 20 concurrent gets is still a little much |
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| 22:21.58 | n3kl_ | I want to setup a vpn. I need something that allows client access as well as site to site. Does anyone know of something that might do what I am looking for? |
| 22:22.06 | enouf | If it is indeed a chice, then I'd imagine only a base system is installed .. as tasksel doesn't list it .. |
| 22:22.07 | stew | n3kl_: openvpn |
| 22:22.12 | enouf | er choice* |
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| 22:22.22 | n3kl_ | stew: is that a good one? |
| 22:22.26 | stew | n3kl_: yes |
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| 22:22.37 | tubaman | n3kl, no..it sucks...that's why he recommended it |
| 22:22.40 | n3kl_ | stew: could I do client access over wireless at the same time as site to site vpn? |
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| 22:22.45 | stew | n3kl_: yes |
| 22:22.51 | n3kl_ | tubaman: thanks for your positive attitude |
| 22:22.56 | n3kl_ | stew: thanks |
| 22:23.24 | taylor | Which package manager has the *simplest* GUI for newbies? |
| 22:23.34 | Kevin` | tubaman I don't believe the X server included with openzaurus, which was on it previously, is xorg, i'm having trouble finding a configuration file |
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| 22:23.39 | mortal_ | taylor: apt-get |
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| 22:23.40 | karsten | Uranellus: Yeah. I'd think an initrd + NFS mounts should be what you're looking for. |
| 22:23.40 | mortal_ | :P |
| 22:23.48 | Phil2 | taylor: synaptic is pretty nice |
| 22:23.50 | ChrisGo | whats the binary file for apache2 ? /usr/sbin/apache2 ? |
| 22:23.52 | karsten | Uranellus: Looked at LTSP? |
| 22:24.10 | tubaman | Kevin`, bummer |
| 22:24.20 | roler | I just rebooted my server, and ssh won't let me connect remotely. I get an error message "System bootup in progress - please wait" when attempting to ssh, also when it's locally accessed |
| 22:24.22 | abrotman | ChrisGo: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 22:24.22 | gnyffel | I'm trying to install Etch from a net-inst cd, but at 'Select and install software', it seems to have locked up at 5%. What's wrong? |
| 22:24.24 | Uranellus | karsten: I want to have fat/hybrid clients .. LTSP is for thin clients only (afaik) |
| 22:24.27 | roler | how can I get rid of that arrow and allow ssh again? |
| 22:24.28 | karsten | Uranellus: ... and what's your network infrastructure? Switched 10/20gbps would be recommended. |
| 22:24.28 | abrotman | gnyffel: use a daily |
| 22:24.40 | stew | roler: /etc/init.d/rmnologin start |
| 22:24.40 | karsten | Uranellus: I believe you're right on that. |
| 22:25.03 | gnyffel | abrotman: a what? I'm new. |
| 22:25.18 | stew | roler: generally that means that for some reason /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin hasn't run (yet), which might indicate that some earlier init script has a problem |
| 22:25.18 | Uranellus | karsten: I'm a student doing this for my school and we are on a switched 100mbit (although backbone is (1)gbit now) |
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| 22:25.31 | Mark_Iron | Hi ;-) ... one question about preseeding syntax - should I use tue [ ] brackets OR " " to include the hash value in the follwing line?: passwd passwd/root-password-crypted password [MD5 hash] |
| 22:25.33 | roler | stew; thank you so so so much |
| 22:25.37 | haggz | gnyffel: using rc1? its broken. there are more recent snapshots of netinstall cds that should work available. |
| 22:25.52 | roler | stew; you are always around here to help me. I vote you get a salary. :) |
| 22:25.55 | gnyffel | haggz: oh, I see. Thank you. I'll try that. |
| 22:26.02 | karsten | Uranellus: That's going to hurt a bit, though I'd think NFS + local cache + local swap + local /tmp would be a pretty good performance option. |
| 22:26.08 | stew | roler: :) |
| 22:26.35 | karsten | Uranellus: LTSP is really optimized for the "one decent server, tons of cheap, crap clients" model. |
| 22:26.44 | Mark_Iron | well .. thank you in advance for any hints :o) |
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| 22:27.02 | haggz | gnyffel: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has links to to working images, i believe |
| 22:27.07 | Uranellus | karsten: right .. but I want to run this on P4 with 1.7 GHz .. therefore a hybrid client would be even better :) |
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| 22:27.34 | Kevin` | further investigation says the X server is xorg or xorg based, but I can't find it's configuration file :/ |
| 22:28.34 | karsten | Uranellus: Understood. Just clarifying the architectural imperatives of the systems. |
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| 22:28.56 | karsten | Uranellus: I'm working in a distributed, NFS-based architecture here, fat clients, but no netboots. |
| 22:29.04 | Uranellus | karsten: dsl already looks really good to me .. since it is not that hard to make it pxe bootable and it also has functions to load new apps from a (in our case) local server .. but I need to get the image to around 20-30 MB (less is better) |
| 22:29.14 | karsten | Uranellus: ... somewhere betwen 100 and 1500 systems, the need to have to individually manage system images gets ... annoying. |
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| 22:29.43 | karsten | Uranellus: Um. What's your workload split going to look like? |
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| 22:30.01 | Uranellus | workload spit? you mean concurrent users? |
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| 22:31.54 | LLcoolM | any idea where i can obtain a recent snapshot of r300 driver? |
| 22:32.01 | Uranellus | karsten: there will be either 0/20/40 users .. but no more .. |
| 22:32.39 | enouf | Extended_description: At the moment, only the core of the system is installed. To tune the system to your needs, you can choose to install one or more of the following predefined collections of software. |
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| 22:33.34 | Vaske_Car | MSS2 plugin - where to get this one? |
| 22:33.35 | h3sp4wn | LLcoolM: the xorg's in etch and sid would classify as that |
| 22:34.00 | h3sp4wn | LLcoolM: xorg git I suppose if you must have something newer than that |
| 22:34.21 | karsten | Uranellus: No. How much processing on the client fs. on server and/or distributed? |
| 22:34.29 | karsten | s/fs/vs/ |
| 22:35.26 | Uranellus | processing for this project (have another one with 100% server) should be 100% on the client .. no cluster or anything similar |
| 22:37.38 | SerajewelKS | !no public key |
| 22:37.38 | dpkg_ | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 22:38.04 | karsten | Uranellus: OK. |
| 22:38.08 | SerajewelKS | !etch key |
| 22:38.08 | dpkg_ | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update |
| 22:38.22 | karsten | Uranellus: Reason I ask: why would you want to do DSL rather than a full Debian load in that instance? |
| 22:38.57 | Uranellus | karsten: cause I don't know how to do it the other way .. (I mean the debian way) |
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| 22:39.32 | SerajewelKS | sorry for using the bot in the channel, it can't message me as it's ghosted |
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| 22:40.12 | karsten | Uranellus: Hrm. PXE boot, NFS mount /usr, /home, local /etc. Much discussed, not sure there's a good turnkey config. |
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| 22:41.55 | Uranellus | karsten: the thing is the system should be for everyone the same and no one besindes admin should be able to modify it .. |
| 22:42.02 | karsten | Uranellus: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/BabelBox (maybe) |
| 22:42.07 | karsten | Uranellus: right. |
| 22:42.40 | karsten | Uranellus: ... however there are reasons to want /etc and /var to be unique per client. |
| 22:42.41 | crazy_penguin | Good Night everyone! Sleep well! |
| 22:43.20 | simonrvn | indeed... many |
| 22:43.25 | anapivirtua_ | Night all. |
| 22:43.40 | Uranellus | karsten: all clients should have have to be the same .. cause the systems are identical and no personal data/settings are allowed to be saved |
| 22:44.05 | crazy_penguin | P.S. Here is 00:45 AM |
| 22:44.06 | simonrvn | /etc is not personal data |
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| 22:44.24 | abrotman | !beer simonrvn |
| 22:44.32 | troubled | !lart simonrvn |
| 22:44.35 | simonrvn | s,beer,juice, |
| 22:44.45 | abrotman | eep .. why! |
| 22:44.56 | simonrvn | cranberry juice with no sugar added =) |
| 22:45.00 | simonrvn | mmmmm |
| 22:45.01 | abrotman | old man |
| 22:45.10 | simonrvn | nah, i don't drink |
| 22:45.15 | tuxedup | I am trying to get my ntfs formatted sata drive to mount. I have added it to my fstab but when i run mount /dev/sdb1 it gives me [mntent]: line 7 in /etc/fstab is bad mount: can't find /dev/sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mta |
| 22:45.16 | abrotman | much |
| 22:45.17 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:45.20 | troubled | :) |
| 22:45.20 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 22:45.34 | simonrvn | the trouble daemon is here, lookie that |
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| 22:45.52 | tuxedup | the line i have in my fstab reads /dev/sdb1   /media/windows  ntfs  noauto,users,exec,umask=0000 0 0 |
| 22:46.08 | simonrvn | old man drink would be *prune* juice ;p |
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| 22:46.30 | troubled | now i want some prune juice :( |
| 22:46.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:46.48 | simonrvn | some* |
| 22:47.07 | heiner | Is there a way for the system to open a pop-up window on the current display for the current user when an event (e.g. an inbound telephone call) occurs? |
| 22:47.48 | abrotman | there's a way to make a generic window .. damned if i remember how though |
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| 22:47.58 | roler | stew; after rmnologin ,am I supposed to restart sshd? |
| 22:48.06 | stew | roler: no, you shouldn't have to |
| 22:48.13 | stew | roler: did rmnologin work? |
| 22:48.19 | Guerin | heiner: yes; xmessage |
| 22:48.25 | heiner | the problem is (a) to find the current X server, and (b) get the permissions to open the window |
| 22:48.45 | roler | stew; well the promblem is this is a dedicated server that I don't have physical access to. I had a guy log in, run the command and he said "it went back to the prompt" |
| 22:48.50 | roler | stew; but I still can't get in |
| 22:48.55 | troubled | heiner: xauth or xhost, forget which does what though |
| 22:49.12 | Guerin | xhost bad |
| 22:49.16 | Guerin | xauth good |
| 22:49.21 | troubled | think auth for settin the cookie and host just ip baed |
| 22:49.30 | troubled | ya |
| 22:49.45 | simonrvn | !kill xhost |
| 22:49.49 | stew | roler: you should be able to login as root regardless of nologin |
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| 22:50.04 | heiner | how would I find the DISPLAY currently used? I know there is a way because it works e.g. with KDE when I insert a removable medium |
| 22:50.14 | roler | stew; not when sshd denies root logins. :( |
| 22:50.16 | Justin | heiner: that stuff uses dbus etc |
| 22:50.20 | roler | stew; i have permitrootlogin no |
| 22:50.21 | simonrvn | echo $DISPLAY in some term in x |
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| 22:50.30 | stew | roler: but if rmnologin isn't working its probably looking for the older /etc/nologin instead of the newer /var/lib/initscripts/nologin |
| 22:50.38 | troubled | simonrvn: still doin the kisi? |
| 22:50.48 | stew | roler: make sure neither of those files exist |
| 22:50.49 | roler | stew; so do I rm /etc/nologin ? |
| 22:50.59 | simonrvn | which should be a symlink (broken one) |
| 22:50.59 | troubled | simonrvn: request timed out before :/ |
| 22:51.07 | simonrvn | troubled: yeh, different IPs |
| 22:51.16 | simonrvn | changed ISP |
| 22:51.21 | stew | roler: i'm guessing that your /etc/init.d/rmnologin is runnin rm /etc/nologin instead of rm /var/lib/initscripts/nologin, you want both of them gone |
| 22:51.26 | troubled | simonrvn: ouch |
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| 22:51.42 | simonrvn | had to, i see it as a growth experience |
| 22:51.47 | heiner | I (snmptrapd running as "root") get an SNMP trap, and want to notify the event on the current display. How would I know what the current DISPLAY is? echo $DISPLAY would not work |
| 22:52.20 | troubled | simonrvn: sounds like yer ba11z dropped :) |
| 22:52.41 | roler | stew; well i'm looking at another server we have, at the /etc/init.d/rmnologin file. both servers have the same version of debian, updated at the same frequency. the script is rm -f /var/lib/initscripts/nologin |
| 22:52.47 | Justin | heiner: notify-send 'foo' |
| 22:52.55 | troubled | simonrvn: finally told em off huh? :) so spill it, whats the phat pipe like now? |
| 22:53.04 | dav_ | just ine question if i have want my windows laptop to be link to my wlan0 interafce (not used) on my home pc do i need to confiure wlan0 as an Access Point to give ip adress 10.0.0.1 |
| 22:53.19 | simonrvn | no, crappy ISP... the only thing i had left from istop was the EULA and the IPs... and the co. managing the account and access was starting to not respect the EULA we had, so we went "fuck them" |
| 22:53.28 | heiner | Justin: my system does not have "notify-send" |
| 22:53.37 | simonrvn | troubled: nothing phat, just 3-5 Mbs |
| 22:53.39 | Justin | heiner: if only there was some way to fix that |
| 22:53.47 | heiner | ;-) |
| 22:53.51 | simonrvn | can't afford anything bigger |
| 22:54.04 | troubled | simonrvn: both ways full? |
| 22:54.09 | simonrvn | naw :( |
| 22:54.20 | troubled | simonrvn: dsl based? |
| 22:54.23 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 22:54.46 | heiner | Well, basically I just get a system-wide event, and want all parties that subscribed to it notify of this condition. Sounds like a fairly general problem to me |
| 22:55.01 | blazemonger | is there a app for linux which will alow me to extract samples from a AKAI format sample CD? |
| 22:55.07 | simonrvn | ISPs always wonder what you do with a /28... a /29 they don't bitch, but a /28 they always ask questions |
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| 22:55.44 | heiner | I looked into DBUS, but it did not seem to support sending and receiving events using shell scripts |
| 22:55.46 | simonrvn | dude, what *else*am i going to do with it? :) |
| 22:55.49 | troubled | simonrvn: as if you can somehow overstep your alloted bandwidth for the month with more machines beyond what you could with less :) |
| 22:56.06 | simonrvn | oh, it's unlim at least |
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| 22:56.22 | simonrvn | the 5$ cheaper one is 10 GB/month (!) |
| 22:56.25 | troubled | simonrvn: i bet things wont change much with ip6. im sure they still only give you like 1-3 ips |
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| 22:56.35 | Guerin | simonrvn: rude |
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| 22:56.50 | Guerin | mine is 20G/month and it's not fucking enough |
| 22:56.55 | xand | any ideas why i suddenly get this when trying to run X programs as non-root: |
| 22:56.58 | xand | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 22:56.58 | xand | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 22:57.05 | simonrvn | they could give IPs to everyone's shoes or tent and they would still have some left over for 100 years+ |
| 22:57.11 | troubled | simonrvn: ya right. unlimited means once you go past a rediculous amount per day they are gonna find a way to make you slow down |
| 22:57.12 | simonrvn | (in ipv6) |
| 22:57.20 | xand | i haven't changed anything, and a restart of X and reboot doesn't fix it :( |
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| 22:57.28 | Guerin | troubled: bluediculous? |
| 22:57.35 | xand | i cant even login to X as non-root... it throws me back out again |
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| 22:58.02 | simonrvn | rm your .Xauthority and .ICE* |
| 22:58.03 | troubled | xand ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 22:58.09 | xand | troubled: no. |
| 22:58.24 | xand | I said I restarted X (and even rebooted)... doesn't help. |
| 22:58.30 | grendal_prime | ok |
| 22:58.31 | troubled | xand: if you cant log in to x how else you expect a console to fix it? :p |
| 22:58.46 | xand | I can login as root |
| 22:58.49 | gmcinnes_ | Hi guys. I want to copy a file from the debian netinst installer cd and have it available on the target file system. I'm using a preseed.cfg file. Do you know how I could do this? |
| 22:58.57 | grendal_prime | im going to do a dual boot system ...and i want grub on the linux partion. |
| 22:59.03 | xand | but i didn't change anything to break it, so i dont see why it would need fixing |
| 22:59.04 | grendal_prime | so i would install debian frist correct? |
| 22:59.12 | grendal_prime | first that is |
| 22:59.13 | troubled | xand: sorry ya thought you said not even root hehe |
| 22:59.16 | simonrvn | winblows then debian |
| 22:59.17 | karmatronic | blazemonger, cdparanoia |
| 22:59.24 | simonrvn | that's what i heard anyway |
| 22:59.26 | dkr | grendal_prime: no, install other os first, the debian install will detect the other os when it installs the bootloader, so you can boot either |
| 22:59.59 | grendal_prime | but wont it put the boot loader on the windows partion then? |
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| 23:00.14 | dkr | grendal_prime: no, in the master boot record |
| 23:00.58 | karmatronic | grendal_prime, aka the firast sector of the first disk |
| 23:01.00 | dkr | but lilo or grub can boot windows just fine. I do it all the time. :) |
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| 23:01.03 | grendal_prime | and if i install windows first...the master boot record will be on the windows partion right |
| 23:01.14 | xand | find -mmin 600 show that no relevant files have changed |
| 23:01.39 | troubled | grendal_prime: the mbr is the mbr |
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| 23:01.56 | karsten | grendal_prime: The MBR is where you put it. Windows in gneeral installs to the first bootable partition and puts the MBR there, so yes, likely, but not necessarially. |
| 23:02.12 | troubled | grendal_prime: if you install debian+grub, then windows, windows will kill grub and you will need to use a bootdisk to reinstall it to boot debian anymore them mean |
| 23:02.49 | enouf | watchout for Blstas |
| 23:03.20 | xand | sigh, this is just impossible |
| 23:03.25 | Growly | turns out i'm just a tard and http proxies use http protocol |
| 23:03.28 | xand | no files have changed |
| 23:03.35 | Kevin` | troubled grendal_prime or just reinstall grub |
| 23:03.48 | enouf | xand: xand ..wht up? |
| 23:03.52 | Kevin` | oh that's what you said :) |
| 23:03.57 | enouf | er what* |
| 23:04.19 | xand | enouf: my X server is refusing connections from programs running locally, unless they run as root |
| 23:04.31 | xand | MillionSs: FOAD |
| 23:04.32 | rsk | heh |
| 23:04.33 | troubled | Growly: how was your #apache visit? :) |
| 23:04.38 | xand | !ops MillionSs spamming |
| 23:04.38 | dpkg_ | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: xand complains about: MillionSs spamming |
| 23:04.49 | simonrvn | ... |
| 23:04.51 | enouf | xand: man xhost ? |
| 23:04.53 | Growly | troubled - fruitless, there was a free morning tea in the staffroom which distracted me entirely |
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| 23:05.02 | Growly | and i came back to "can you rephrase that?" |
| 23:05.07 | simonrvn | ty stew |
| 23:05.10 | xand | enouf: but nothing has changed at all, so I don't see how it could be disallowing it. |
| 23:05.27 | enouf | xand: nothing suspicious in /var/log/* ? |
| 23:05.50 | enouf | xand: especially /auth , or /Xorg.0.log .. even /messages |
| 23:06.18 | xand | not auth.log... the machine has no incoming access |
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| 23:06.38 | xand | arse |
| 23:06.41 | troubled | Growly: so you found out that proxy connects have no diff than standard http traffic? no preconnection requests or any chatter like that? |
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| 23:07.36 | enouf | shake your b0ty at it |
| 23:07.44 | enouf | er b00ty :-p |
| 23:08.40 | Caelum | anyone using xmms2? |
| 23:08.47 | xand | what does this mean: |
| 23:09.04 | xand | Feb 8 07:35:01 jupiter su[12251]: Successful su for nobody by root |
| 23:09.04 | xand | Feb 8 07:35:02 jupiter su[12251]: + ??? root:nobody |
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| 23:09.36 | stew | xand: it means that the root user was going to do something for which he didn't need root privileges so he switched to the "nobody" user first becuase it would be safer |
| 23:09.43 | xand | I see |
| 23:09.49 | xand | he? |
| 23:09.55 | xand | does that imply it was a real person? |
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| 23:10.00 | Caelum | or a program |
| 23:10.03 | Caelum | or script |
| 23:10.06 | xand | right |
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| 23:10.20 | xand | sigh |
| 23:10.37 | stew | xand: no, i didn't mean real person. just meant 'he' as a generic pronoun |
| 23:11.07 | keith80403 | Debian Sarge - I've installed jigdo-lite from the CD's, and downloaded debian-testing-i386-binary-1.jigdo.unpacked, but it complains and won't download. |
| 23:11.16 | xand | i dont see how X could start having problems when no files have changed |
| 23:11.25 | xand | (that aren't fixed by a reboot) |
| 23:11.48 | pickcoder | xand: memory? |
| 23:11.49 | troubled | xand: would you know what files on the system changed though? |
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| 23:12.19 | xand | I used find -mmin to see what has changed since it broke |
| 23:12.35 | xand | pickcoder: what about it |
| 23:12.44 | troubled | xand: how accurate is modified time though? is it "secure"? |
| 23:12.49 | stew | xand: what exactly is happening? you can startx but you can't start any clients? |
| 23:13.49 | xand | stew: X starts by xdm on boot... I can't login to it except as root (i was logged in before, and couldn't start any programs in X) |
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| 23:13.55 | PDani | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:14.07 | xand | if i su to another user from an rxvt window, it wont let me run any X programs |
| 23:14.18 | xand | the same as if i was logged in as that user |
| 23:15.32 | stew | xand: but currently you cannot login as user? |
| 23:15.49 | xand | stew: not using X |
| 23:16.00 | karsten | What's with apt/dpkg bots? |
| 23:16.04 | xand | the screen goes black and then sends me back to the login screen |
| 23:16.06 | karsten | ... and any alternatives? |
| 23:16.24 | troubled | xand: and the logs mention nothing? |
| 23:16.41 | stew | xand: does "xauth list" list a cookie for your machine when you run it as user? |
| 23:16.47 | stew | xand: have you checked ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 23:16.50 | xand | AUDIT: Thu Feb 8 23:02:38 2007: 4311 X: client 7 rejected from local host |
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| 23:17.31 | troubled | xand: you run any of them xauth/xhost commands we talk about earlier by chance? :) |
| 23:17.34 | xand | OH |
| 23:17.46 | xand | /etc/X11/Xsession: line 109: echo: write error: No space left on device |
| 23:17.49 | xand | :D |
| 23:17.52 | troubled | heh |
| 23:17.55 | karsten | badgers... |
| 23:18.14 | xand | (etch is currently running of a 1GB USB stick) |
| 23:18.19 | xand | +f |
| 23:18.31 | troubled | xand: hows the speed? |
| 23:18.38 | xand | fine |
| 23:18.41 | Zarephath | I am setting up a printer using network connection....I get all the way to the end and it sees the Windows computer that has the printer shared...I select the driver...then click on finish..and it never adds the printer? I don't see it trying to install the driver... |
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| 23:19.06 | troubled | xand: wonder how well raid5 would work over usb sticks? :) |
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| 23:19.32 | lepine_h | what's the command to see which package provides file x ? |
| 23:19.42 | lepine_h | iny my case, the dns util 'dig' |
| 23:19.48 | xand | troubled: dont have enough memory sticks ;) |
| 23:19.51 | fsmunoz | dpkg -S <file> ? |
| 23:19.51 | dpkg_ | There is no record of a <file> package |
| 23:19.55 | dav_ | ca i use a vpn tun0 interface to share my inernet connection that mean doing masquerading with only one ethernet interface |
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| 23:20.02 | fsmunoz | Ahh, sorry, you menat for the bot :) |
| 23:20.22 | lepine_h | dpkg -S dig |
| 23:20.23 | dpkg_ | Package: dig: Status: install ok installed |
| 23:20.35 | Uranellus | karsten: what we want is a kind of kiosk station loaded through pxe/network(e.g. nfs) .. therefore one starts the computer and gets the image .. surfs / writes / prints .. turns it off and the next time he boots he gets exactly the same he just got .. |
| 23:21.23 | lepine_h | fsmunoz dpkg -S dig returns mostly bs |
| 23:21.42 | lepine_h | any string containing "dig" basically |
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| 23:21.55 | lepine_h | and non seem apropriate |
| 23:21.57 | lepine_h | *none |
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| 23:22.38 | lepine_h | ah, package 'host |
| 23:22.48 | lepine_h | ' provides the same kind of functionality ... |
| 23:22.57 | troubled | lepine_h: add `which dig` |
| 23:23.33 | lepine_h | troubled: eg: dpkg -s `which dig` ? |
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| 23:24.17 | xand | what parts of the filesystem could I get away with NFS mounting? |
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| 23:24.29 | xand | as I have close to a TB free on my server >.< |
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| 23:24.37 | Justin | xand: all of it? |
| 23:24.47 | xand | well |
| 23:24.51 | xand | hm |
| 23:25.00 | fsmunoz | @alioth)-(10/pts/1)-(2325/08-Feb-07)-- |
| 23:25.00 | fsmunoz | --($:~)-- dpkg -S /usr/bin/dig |
| 23:25.01 | fsmunoz | dnsutils: /usr/bin/dig |
| 23:26.42 | lepine_h | fsmunoz thanks for providing the package ... but not that dpkg -S /usr/bin/dig did not work berfore i had it installed |
| 23:26.56 | lepine_h | *but note |
| 23:27.02 | lepine_h | what's with my fingers today? |
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| 23:27.03 | fsmunoz | True, I remembered that halfway, that's why I did it myself |
| 23:27.59 | troubled | lepine_h: apt-cache show apt-file |
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| 23:32.22 | dav_ | ppoverssh client for windoz for those interested ( Asian Version) http://www.kmc.gr.jp/proj/vpn/release/PPPoverSSHTool-0.3-pre2.zip |
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| 23:33.40 | lepine_h | sweet, they finally made that! |
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| 23:39.28 | xand | what's the command to empty apt cache of .deb files? |
| 23:39.38 | xand | in /var/cache/apt |
| 23:39.39 | karmatronic | xand, apt-cache clean |
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| 23:40.19 | amphi | apt-get clean |
| 23:40.32 | xand | thanks |
| 23:40.49 | amphi | karmatronic speaks with forked tongue ;) |
| 23:40.56 | dav_ | how to unset that fucking bell hat ring so often :) |
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| 23:41.15 | karmatronic | amphi, oups |
| 23:41.21 | karmatronic | amphi, my mistake ... |
| 23:41.24 | amphi | karmatronic: I joke |
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| 23:42.07 | unlink | how do i stop debian from overwriting my /etc/motd? |
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| 23:42.57 | amphi | unlink: find what overwrites it, and stop it doing it ;) |
| 23:43.00 | Kevin` | unlink read /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 23:43.12 | amphi | unlink: grep motd /etc/init.d/* would be a good start |
| 23:43.20 | unlink | i thought it was dpkg |
| 23:43.28 | phoohb | How do I blacklist a kernel-module??? (isnt it the list in "/etc/hotplug/blacklist") |
| 23:44.04 | stew | phoohb: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:44.13 | karmatronic | phoohb, blacklist your_module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 23:44.19 | phoohb | stew: 2.6 now, previuse 2.4 |
| 23:44.25 | phoohb | is it diffrent |
| 23:44.33 | phoohb | ? |
| 23:44.43 | stew | phoohb: there was never a 2.6 or 2.4 versions, there was 2.1, 3.0, 3.1 is current and 4.0 is next |
| 23:45.11 | stew | phoohb: what version of "hotplug" is intalled? |
| 23:45.12 | karmatronic | stew, i guess he means his kernel .... |
| 23:45.18 | phoohb | stew: Oh? the linux-kernel version. What did you mean??? |
| 23:45.51 | stew | !blacklist |
| 23:45.51 | dpkg_ | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 23:46.23 | Guerin | dav_: /msg dpkg bell |
| 23:46.24 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:46.36 | stew | dondelelcaro: ^^ dpkg_ needs to /nick |
| 23:46.40 | phoohb | stew: strange... I dont have package "hotplug" installed. (but the dir is on place) |
| 23:46.40 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:46.57 | stew | phoohb: is udev installed? |
| 23:47.14 | phoohb | stew: yes |
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| 23:47.34 | stew | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 23:47.35 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run update-initramfs in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 23:47.52 | stew | phoohb: ^^^ you should be using /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 23:48.41 | phoohb | stew: (!blacklist-initramfs ??) Oh I have redeb:/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist . But, but that was for modules under 2.4 |
| 23:49.38 | phoohb | stew: Eew I see a syntax error here now.. (thx for your suggestion) |
| 23:49.42 | stew | phoohb: no that is not for 2.4 |
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| 23:52.37 | Zarephath | How do I kill a print job from command line? I went into Admin mode in the printer settings..told it to print test page..it didn't print and I can't kill the queue |
| 23:52.40 | phoohb | stew: stew hotplug/udev is it anyhing wrong with using both? (the problem is module "ide_cd" and "ide-scsi", I have a strange CD-player, that makes the system hangs.) |
| 23:53.22 | pickcoder | Zarephath: lprm -P<queuename> <job number> |
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| 23:53.26 | karmatronic | phoohb, check if dma is active on the cd drive |
| 23:53.35 | Zarephath | pickcoder: Thanks |
| 23:53.54 | phoohb | karmatronic: is that some bios thing or what? |
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| 23:54.08 | karmatronic | phoohb, it s supposed to already be on the bios |
| 23:54.09 | phoohb | dma where have I heard that before |
| 23:54.24 | stew | phoohb: udev now conflicts with hotplug becuase it pretty much provides all of the functionality that hotplug did |
| 23:54.30 | stew | phoohb: you should not be using ide-scsi with 2.6 |
| 23:54.30 | karmatronic | phoohb, but if dma is not active on tour cd drive it s normal that it hangs |
| 23:54.46 | stew | is ide-scsi even shipped in etch anymore? |
| 23:54.49 | karmatronic | phoohb, is you cd drive /dev/hd* or /dev/scd* |
| 23:54.51 | karmatronic | ? |
| 23:55.24 | phoohb | karmatronic: Its /dev/cdrom |
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| 23:55.42 | karmatronic | phoohb, yeah /dev/cdrom is just a link |
| 23:55.59 | karmatronic | phoohb, check the corresponding entry in /etc/fstab |
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| 23:56.09 | pickcoder | stew: it's not on the box I'm logged into.. back to 2.6.15 |
| 23:56.17 | stew | yay for that |
| 23:56.22 | stew | good riddance |
| 23:56.55 | karmatronic | phoohb, if it s /dev/hd*, install hdparm and run as root hdparm -d1 /dev/hd* |
| 23:57.04 | phoohb | karmatronic: yea (and now a broken link, I have no ideer why, but I guess its a ide, that once was emultated as scsi beouse of its cd-burner. Some ugly quirk back then) |
| 23:57.18 | stew | phoohb: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 23:57.45 | karmatronic | phoohb, he s trying to blacklist the driver associated to the cdrom drive |
| 23:58.01 | karmatronic | phoohb, cos the cdrive makes the system hang |
| 23:58.17 | phoohb | stew: I dont want my CD be loaded. (the 2.6 loads evrything automaticly.. ) |
| 23:58.28 | karmatronic | phoohb, but i m telling him the real problem is to find out why the cdrom drive hangs |
| 23:58.35 | karmatronic | phoohb, and it could be dma related |
| 23:59.29 | phoohb | karmatronic: It hangs becouse its old, and dusty |
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| 23:59.29 | pickcoder | phoohb: disable it in BIOS? |
| 23:59.29 | phoohb | (and takes the whole system with it down) |
| 23:59.29 | karmatronic | phoohb, if it s really the problem , just change it |
| 23:59.29 | karmatronic | phoohb, it s like....30$ |
| 23:59.47 | phoohb | karmatronic: yes, 10 years old (atleast......) |