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| 00:00.42 | jelly | physically disconnecting it from the IDE bus might help |
| 00:00.53 | phoohb | (its not the first CDplayer I crap though) |
| 00:01.12 | phoohb | huh, anyway thx. |
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| 00:03.02 | Menkaure | hello |
| 00:05.26 | Menkaure | one question. i would like to install php4 and php5. both as modul. i know that they can'be loaded at same time. but i'd like to install both and chose one of them before i start my webserver. for example with changing the links in .../mod-enabled/. my question now is: how could i install both with apt-get so, that i destroy nothing in my packaging sytem? |
| 00:05.57 | Menkaure | can't be loaded at same time i meant |
| 00:06.51 | pickcoder | Menkaure: as far as I know you can install both.. they have different php.ini paths under /etc/apache* |
| 00:07.06 | Menkaure | thats right |
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| 00:07.10 | pickcoder | the problem will be knowing which php is hooked in for command line testing |
| 00:07.11 | Menkaure | but |
| 00:07.25 | pickcoder | they also should have different modules for apache |
| 00:07.35 | Menkaure | apt-get said that i have to remove the other one when i try to install the second |
| 00:07.40 | pickcoder | hm |
| 00:07.46 | Guerin | yeh, they conflict |
| 00:07.54 | pickcoder | that's new.. because I installed 4 and 5 not too long ago |
| 00:07.56 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 00:08.06 | Guerin | Menkaure: you'll need to rebuild one package or other, changing only the dependency |
| 00:08.11 | Guerin | err, the conflict: |
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| 00:08.49 | Menkaure | oh i never work with the packages itself before. hope thats not too heavy |
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| 00:08.55 | stew | pickcoder: btw, no news on that bug, other than vorlon had me upgrade it to grave (breaks unrelated software). so the patch should definately go in now as it is an etch release blocker. I assume the maint. is waiting on a possible response from upstream, but i dunno, i haven't bugged him about it yet |
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| 00:09.42 | pickcoder | snoopy breaks unrelated software or the getlogin() bug breaks other things? |
| 00:09.52 | Menkaure | maybe its better to delete one package each time i want to switch to the other one |
| 00:10.06 | Guerin | Menkaure: hm, actually, check which packages conflict - it might be a metapackage or something, the modules might install fine alongside each other |
| 00:10.11 | pickcoder | Menkaure: setup chroots for each test environment |
| 00:10.27 | pickcoder | or use two boxen |
| 00:10.35 | stew | pickcoder: well snoopy right now, since nothing else seems to be experiencing the getlogin problem (don't know why) |
| 00:10.48 | Menkaure | is it possible to use different php versions on the same webserver as module? |
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| 00:11.11 | RichiH | Menkaure: with cgi_irc, you can |
| 00:11.23 | pickcoder | Menkaure: you'll have to play with handlers and file extensions |
| 00:11.28 | Menkaure | mmh yes but i'd like to use them only in module mode |
| 00:11.48 | Guerin | my advice is to abandon php |
| 00:11.56 | Guerin | for what that's worth |
| 00:12.03 | karmatronic | Menkaure, i agree |
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| 00:12.07 | siyb | anyone know a good video cutting software? |
| 00:12.13 | Guerin | siyb: adobe premiere |
| 00:12.16 | karmatronic | siyb, avidemux |
| 00:12.19 | Menkaure | pickcoder that is not the probelm. if it is possible i would like to use them with different extensions. but since know i thought the webserver could only load one of them as module |
| 00:12.37 | Menkaure | now |
| 00:12.49 | siyb | thx, karmatronic this is for avi only right? |
| 00:13.01 | Guerin | siyb: it does all sorts of mpeg-4 |
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| 00:13.23 | lunaphyte | looking at syslog.conf - couldn't auth,authpriv.none; news.none; mail.none simply be written as auth,authpriv,news,mail.none ? |
| 00:13.30 | pickcoder | Menkaure: hm.. you may be right. I haven't tried doing that. |
| 00:13.49 | siyb | well i need mpeg2, hmm i will take a look if my tuner can decode while recording |
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| 00:13.57 | Guerin | siyb: oh, it'll do that too |
| 00:14.09 | karmatronic | siyb, it will do anything |
| 00:14.13 | siyb | thanks for your help |
| 00:14.16 | siyb | kay |
| 00:14.17 | siyb | :> |
| 00:14.24 | bintut | anyone here running vsftpd on debian etch? it seems that the home directory of vsftpd goes to /home/ftp .. how can change it to /srv/ftp instead? i can't find any relevant option in my /etc/vsftpd.conf |
| 00:14.30 | siyb | because apt tellls me different things, wasn't sure |
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| 00:14.35 | Guerin | bintut: try harder |
| 00:14.36 | Menkaure | mmh. as far as i read, it sholudn't be working. mmh ok i search on the web for. otherwise i had to uninstall one each time i want to switch |
| 00:14.40 | pickcoder | stew: the problem has to be with the pointer as being passed directly from getlogin() to syslog() |
| 00:14.47 | pickcoder | so my guess is it's a problem with syslog() |
| 00:14.51 | bintut | Guerin: huh? |
| 00:14.53 | Guerin | bintut: hint: it runs as the user `ftp' and uses that user's homedir |
| 00:15.03 | Guerin | bintut: this is documented in `man vsftpd.conf' |
| 00:15.12 | bintut | Guerin: you mean, i have to change it manually in /etc/passwd ? |
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| 00:15.26 | pickcoder | however: syslog is used in many other applications |
| 00:15.30 | Guerin | bintut: or use usermod, yeh |
| 00:15.43 | bintut | Guerin: it doesn't have a special option in its configuration file? |
| 00:15.46 | pickcoder | so I would start by looking at a small application that works and dumps to syslog |
| 00:16.19 | Guerin | bintut: unsure. Why would you want the ftpd to use a hone dir which is not its home dir? |
| 00:16.43 | stew | pickcoder: hmm |
| 00:17.09 | pickcoder | I could be completely wrong, though. I haven't tested getlogin() by itself. |
| 00:17.12 | bintut | Guerin: i am setting up a local debian repository using ftp and i am putting all the packages inside /srv/ftp/debian directory |
| 00:17.20 | pickcoder | I will play with it when I get a chance. |
| 00:17.47 | Guerin | bintut: yes, exactly. So set the home variable correctly for the ftp user, and your problem is solved. You could have done it 1000 times by now. |
| 00:17.53 | bintut | Guerin: i am not setting up an ftp server writable to anyone.. this is just for local debian repository |
| 00:18.01 | Guerin | this is irrelevant |
| 00:18.45 | Caelum | anyone having problems with xine? |
| 00:18.57 | karmatronic | Caelum, no |
| 00:18.58 | Caelum | mine stopped decoding mp3s for some reason |
| 00:19.02 | bintut | Guerin: ok.. i just want to make sure maybe i will override something in vsftpd's config file and that's why i asked.. |
| 00:19.03 | Ankman | not using Xine anymore :-) |
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| 00:20.01 | pickcoder | stew: heh.. funny thing. I just plugged getlogin() back into the syslog call and it didn't crash ssh |
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| 00:20.27 | stew | pickcoder: amd64? |
| 00:20.28 | gmcinnes_ | are there any installer gurus here? I need to know how to copy a file from the netinst cd to somewhere during the first stage of an install. should running cp /myfile /target/myfile work at the end of stage one? |
| 00:20.36 | Caelum | if I'm getting an MD5Sum mismatch on my package index does that mean I need to use a different mirror? |
| 00:20.50 | pickcoder | stew: em64t dual-core Xeon |
| 00:20.58 | Guerin | gmcinnes_: #debian-boot on irc.debian.org is where the installer gurus live |
| 00:21.06 | pickcoder | I think it was the missing proto defs for getlogin |
| 00:21.09 | gmcinnes_ | Guerin: great. thanks |
| 00:21.14 | Guerin | Caelum: could be worth a try, yeah |
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| 00:22.22 | loca|host | i have just installed debian on my PC, there's a problem, BIOS does'nt appear to be detecting that an OS has started, by default, when the computer starts, the fans will go fast till windows loads, fans will slow down, with debian, fans never slow down |
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| 00:22.56 | bintut | Guerin: thanks.. :) |
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| 00:23.03 | Onur | hi. where is the debian font directory? |
| 00:23.36 | Acu | Trivial question: How can I see full screen the movies on YouTube ? |
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| 00:23.58 | stew | dondelelcaro: oh i guess there was more than one running? |
| 00:24.01 | stew | !test |
| 00:24.01 | dpkg_ | Test Failed. |
| 00:24.02 | karmatronic | Acu, download them and use mplayer or vlc |
| 00:24.08 | Wolfcastle | Acu: there is a button for that in the lower right corner |
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| 00:24.46 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 00:26.25 | Acu | Wolfcastle: thanks - the small button works ! |
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| 00:27.18 | Acu | Karmatronic: you are so right too - there are some unvaluable videos which have to be downloaded since youtube might have the napster future |
| 00:28.43 | Acu | karmatronic: is any rightclick download way? Or I have to use the command for mplayer |
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| 00:29.04 | karmatronic | Acu, there s an extension for firefox |
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| 00:29.49 | karmatronic | Acu, called videodownloader |
| 00:30.38 | karmatronic | Acu, http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/extensions/videodownloader/videodownloader-1.1.1-fx.xpi |
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| 00:32.23 | Teltariat | Greets folks. Is there any way to tell sshd to listen on an interface, as opposed to an IP? The interface uses DHCP, so I cannot specify the IP address directly in my sshd_config file. |
| 00:32.47 | eldowan | stoned: |
| 00:33.09 | karmatronic | Teltariat, just comment the ListenAddress part |
| 00:33.21 | Guerin | Teltariat: is this not documented in sshd_config? |
| 00:34.00 | Teltariat | I don't want it to listen on ALL interfaces |
| 00:34.05 | Teltariat | Thats the point of this |
| 00:34.12 | Teltariat | If I just comment this, it will listen on ALL interfaces |
| 00:34.27 | karmatronic | Teltariat, do that and add a line in iptables |
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| 00:35.21 | moparisthebest | would this make something run every hour in /etc/crontab: |
| 00:35.22 | moparisthebest | 0 ** * *root sh /root/getRS.sh |
| 00:35.33 | moparisthebest | Im not sure what to put up front |
| 00:36.28 | Teltariat | Guerin: the only thing documented in the sshd_config is listening to a set IP address |
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| 00:37.37 | Guerin | Teltariat: yeah, so I see. |
| 00:37.54 | Guerin | Teltariat: i wonder if it's possible to make it read the ip from a file, or an environment variable |
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| 00:38.26 | Teltariat | Guerin: (Just out of curiosity, are you the same R. Guerin from NYLUG? :D ) |
| 00:38.34 | Guerin | Teltariat: nope. |
| 00:38.38 | Teltariat | oh, ok. :) |
| 00:39.15 | Guerin | Teltariat: there's an /etc/default/ssh which you can use to pass params - make it evaluate the ip from your dhcp lease or the output of ifconfig, or whatever |
| 00:39.40 | Guerin | that's the way I'd do it, eschewing the *+iptables approach |
| 00:40.34 | grendal_prime | ok this box already has linux on it..and im installing windows on partion3 (1=debian install 2=swap) |
| 00:40.47 | Guerin | grendal_prime: congratulations |
| 00:41.12 | stew | i should probably check out a nylug meeting or something |
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| 00:43.36 | grendal_prime | now..im going to need to adjust the grub entries for the new windows installation im putting on..the windows intall will not hose grub on the master boot record will it? |
| 00:44.41 | haggz | grendal_prime: most likely it will |
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| 00:44.56 | haggz | grendal_prime: the windows installer is a bully |
| 00:45.21 | karmatronic | haggz, dont install windows , dual boot sucks |
| 00:45.27 | karsten | haggz: ?? Microsoft's installer? |
| 00:45.35 | karsten | haggz: http://www.goodbye-microsoft.org/ |
| 00:45.43 | haggz | karmatronic: im not, grendal_prime is, I have zero windows installs |
| 00:46.29 | karmatronic | haggz, sorry , but glad you dont have windows install :) |
| 00:47.09 | haggz | karmatronic: using computers since 1980 without ever purchasing a microsoft product -- or pirating for that matter O:-) |
| 00:47.30 | karmatronic | haggz, 1980? |
| 00:47.30 | grendal_prime | this is for work...its pretty cool what they are lettin gme do...soon we will be going all linux actuall |
| 00:47.42 | grendal_prime | but in the interum. we need a failsafe boot method |
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| 00:48.06 | karmatronic | haggz, remember borg-mcenroe of that year? |
| 00:48.26 | grendal_prime | the problem is i know nothing about windows installations |
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| 00:49.13 | haggz | karmatronic: yes...amazingly, my parents were into tennis...I was 5 years old and learning to touchtype on an Apple II+...grendal_prime you should read up on setting up dual boot, its not hard but you should make sure to backup and be prepared to reinstall grub |
| 00:50.17 | me | Got a problem: after cheking with fsck my partition with debian has been damaged. Now on linux boot I can see something "troubles with /sbin/init". Now I`m typing from windows. How can I repear this partition, without reinstalling Debian ? |
| 00:50.20 | Teltariat | Anywho, thanks karmatronic, Guerin. |
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| 00:51.33 | grendal_prime | well i have dual boots where i added a second drive and it was a windows box |
| 00:51.34 | karmatronic | me, maybe run fsck again on the damaged partition using a live cd to repair damaged sectors and pray |
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| 00:51.44 | grendal_prime | but ummmm well i should have installed windows first and then the debian install.. |
| 00:51.51 | grendal_prime | i will have to reinstall grub? |
| 00:51.54 | black_13 | what is the equivalent of pam_stack.so on debian? |
| 00:51.58 | grendal_prime | how difficult would that be? |
| 00:52.50 | haggz | grendal_prime: i think karsten might have info on a tool to install windows without wrecking your mbr, i tried following the link but it didnt load for me |
| 00:53.16 | me | karmatronic thx, going down to try & pray |
| 00:53.18 | haggz | grendal_prime: you can also back up you mbr with the dd command i believe |
| 00:53.40 | GeorgeS069 | I am trying to setup openVPN2.0 and I get this error when I run ./build-ca http://pastebin.ca/346038 any ideas what went wrong or how to fix? |
| 00:54.36 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, install openssl |
| 00:55.11 | stew | no, that't not it |
| 00:55.16 | GeorgeS069 | karmatronic it's already installed |
| 00:55.19 | stew | GeorgeS069: how did the build-ca file end up in /etc/openssh? |
| 00:55.24 | stew | err /etc/openvpn |
| 00:55.39 | stew | GeorgeS069: did you copy that stuff from /usr/share/doc/openvpn/examples/easy-rsa/ ? |
| 00:55.45 | GeorgeS069 | stew: I moved as per the instructions on the openvpn web page |
| 00:55.51 | GeorgeS069 | yes |
| 00:56.05 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, second try |
| 00:56.12 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, look at the vars file |
| 00:56.12 | stew | GeorgeS069: easy-rsa or easy-rsa/2.0 ? |
| 00:56.24 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, adjust it and run source vars |
| 00:56.34 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, before launching the ./build-ca |
| 00:56.36 | stew | GeorgeS069: there should have been an openssl.conf in there |
| 00:57.23 | GeorgeS069 | stew: All I have is easy-rsa/ |
| 00:57.38 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, and there is an openssl.conf there ? |
| 00:57.55 | GeorgeS069 | nope |
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| 00:58.15 | stew | GeorgeS069: what version of openvpn? |
| 00:58.21 | SDBolts21n56 | what is a map installer? |
| 00:58.22 | GeorgeS069 | Doh...it's a .gz |
| 00:58.23 | eldowan | stew: 2 |
| 00:59.23 | GeorgeS069 | works now |
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| 01:00.15 | black_13 | !pam |
| 01:00.15 | dpkg | pam is probably the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
| 01:00.16 | karmatronic | cool |
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| 01:00.26 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, openvpn is so cool |
| 01:00.27 | eldowan | GeorgeS069: don't you just love the simple fixes? |
| 01:00.39 | GeorgeS069 | it was openssl.cnf.gz |
| 01:00.47 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, can bypass all the firewalls of the word ! |
| 01:00.57 | GeorgeS069 | thought I really screwed up something |
| 01:00.59 | karmatronic | GeorgeS069, well...most.. |
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| 01:01.32 | SDBolts21n56 | what is a map installer? |
| 01:01.39 | itrebal | is there a built-in command to set the hostname (forever)? I've heard about something to do it.. |
| 01:01.43 | GeorgeS069 | strange that the file comes gzipped |
| 01:02.00 | karmatronic | itrebal, hostname |
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| 01:02.20 | itrebal | karmatronic: thats not permanant, just for the current boot; theres a step after that |
| 01:02.56 | stew | GeorgeS069: stuff in /usr/share/doc/ is compressed automatically when the packages are built |
| 01:04.14 | stew | except copyright |
| 01:04.14 | black_13 | Guerin, why doesnt debian's pam have pam_stack.so ? |
| 01:04.22 | grendal_prime | a little late on the backing up of the mbr bit |
| 01:04.22 | eldowan | itrebal: /etc/hostname? |
| 01:04.28 | itrebal | eldowan: that must be it, thanks |
| 01:04.36 | eldowan | itrebal: are you using dhcp? |
| 01:04.40 | itrebal | eldowan: no |
| 01:04.43 | grendal_prime | but ummm well well see how it i goes ..this whole thing is from stractch so.. no biggie |
| 01:04.43 | GeorgeS069 | stew: guess I just never noticed that before...saves some space I guess |
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| 01:05.11 | Guerin | black_13: am I the PAM maintainer? |
| 01:05.15 | grendal_prime | its 5 seeeeeeeeeeee yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 01:05.26 | Guerin | if so, I think I should get a bit more respect around here |
| 01:05.56 | black_13 | Guerin, i though you might know you seem to pretty knowledgeable |
| 01:06.53 | Guerin | black_13: a common misconception |
| 01:07.03 | itrebal | yes! thanks, eldowan! |
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| 01:07.16 | Guerin | i'm just a libarts geek who happens to use debian |
| 01:07.36 | eldowan | Guerin: you program arts? |
| 01:08.04 | Guerin | eldowan: i don't program anything. |
| 01:08.09 | black_13 | Guerin, another channel that would be good place to ask i find lots of info on pam but related to redhat |
| 01:08.17 | Guerin | eldowan: libarts = liberal arts |
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| 01:08.27 | eldowan | Guerin: I know, bad joke on the packages libarts* |
| 01:08.31 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 01:08.31 | stew | black_13: what does pam_stack do? |
| 01:08.42 | eldowan | I can't help the puns |
| 01:08.44 | Guerin | just clarifying, i'd never want to be associated with arts in any way |
| 01:08.49 | haggz | !arts |
| 01:08.49 | dpkg | [arts] the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 01:09.10 | black_13 | stew ill find out |
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| 01:10.02 | Guerin | wow ... i got an email message tagged ***SPAM*** incorrectly |
| 01:10.12 | Guerin | that's my first false-positive in years |
| 01:10.18 | Caelum | yay, I was just missing some xine libs...now xine and amarok work again! |
| 01:10.27 | Caelum | Guerin: with spamassassin? |
| 01:10.28 | Guerin | in fairness, it's a news digest which includes an article about 419 scams .... |
| 01:10.31 | Guerin | Caelum: yeah |
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| 01:11.16 | syntaxx | mysql |
| 01:11.21 | syntaxx | err |
| 01:11.24 | enouf | pr0n? .. blonde hotties? |
| 01:11.29 | Guerin | syntaxx: is this Jeopardy? |
| 01:11.43 | syntaxx | sorry wrong window |
| 01:11.45 | Guerin | eldowan: if that's what you associate with mysql, you have severe proiblems |
| 01:11.46 | enouf | 20 questions |
| 01:11.59 | Guerin | enouf: |
| 01:12.04 | eldowan | Guerin: I think you meant enouf |
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| 01:12.09 | Guerin | i think so too |
| 01:12.20 | Guerin | stupid keyboard, relies on my fingers when it should be reading my mind |
| 01:12.50 | karmatronic | Guerin, yeah so you could use your fingers for something else |
| 01:12.59 | Guerin | right |
| 01:13.05 | enouf | Guerin: btw .. what's the fix for the "5%" issue using the d-i? .. after you left last night, there was atleast one complainer |
| 01:13.17 | Guerin | enouf: use the latest daily |
| 01:13.34 | Guerin | enouf: it *might* be possible to manually complete the install, but I haven't been able to verufy it |
| 01:13.37 | enouf | Guerin: that was nmy answer ;-) |
| 01:13.38 | eldowan | what is the "5%" issue? |
| 01:13.42 | Guerin | rc2 is due out RSN though |
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| 01:13.56 | Guerin | eldowan: rc1 d-i stops 5% into `Select and install packages' |
| 01:14.02 | Dewi | Guerin: If you don't get false positives, that doesn't mean your spam scanner is good, it just means you don't have any friends called "Dick" who collect rolexes |
| 01:14.06 | enouf | right! |
| 01:14.09 | Guerin | Dewi: hah |
| 01:14.28 | enouf | Guerin: is it only an amd64 installer issue? |
| 01:14.33 | Guerin | enouf: no idea. |
| 01:14.34 | eldowan | Guerin: Now I'm glad I didn't try to install with the rc1 installer. |
| 01:14.37 | enouf | ok |
| 01:14.42 | Dewi | Guerin: there was actually a lecturer at my university called Richard Cocks... he just couldn't use the mail system at all |
| 01:14.53 | Guerin | Dewi: heh |
| 01:16.09 | Guerin | no |
| 01:16.11 | Guerin | rbls bad |
| 01:16.19 | enouf | Guerin: the amd64 installer person said they could somehow tab tab all the way to fourth screen? and finally see a message that said "press Ok to finish installation" (or someshit) .. but couldn't actually select that choice .. I know ..weird description |
| 01:16.26 | Guerin | employ greylisting and your spam problems disappear |
| 01:16.27 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm on enough of them to agree with you there |
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| 01:16.44 | Guerin | enouf: funky. |
| 01:16.52 | Dewi | Guerin: I don't know if I like the idea of delaying mail by 30+ minutes |
| 01:17.05 | Guerin | Dewi: it doesn't, really. |
| 01:17.15 | haggz | wow, "strace strace strace ls" actually worked, do I dare add another level of recursion? |
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| 01:17.35 | Dewi | Guerin: how not? |
| 01:18.07 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.42 | Guerin | Dewi: with proper configureation it will delay ONE mail from any given user/host/whatever (at your discretion) for an amount of time determined by the REMOTE server. |
| 01:18.50 | Dewi | haggz: my god that's taking a while to run |
| 01:19.00 | Guerin | haggz: haha |
| 01:19.01 | enouf | haggz: try -vvv :-P |
| 01:19.30 | Guerin | now try piping it to something ... like, say, csplit :) |
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| 01:21.23 | karsten | haggz: three * strace? |
| 01:21.27 | Dewi | Guerin: you're not the first to emphasize the effectiveness of greylisting in such terms... but I would really have thought that spammers would have caught on by now |
| 01:21.45 | Dewi | Guerin: You still have a bayesian style filter in there too? |
| 01:21.49 | karsten | Dewi: It's expensive for them to do it, and greylisting is relatively little used. |
| 01:22.19 | Dewi | karsten: If it's so effective why is it little-used? Does it lose mail? |
| 01:22.29 | karsten | Dewi: It's work to set up. |
| 01:22.37 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah, well ... spam control is a case of reducing profitability per-unit. Once too many people start using it, there will be more utility in switching to a real MTA than in using the broken, but very efficient ones they use now. |
| 01:23.03 | karsten | Dewi: ...and for a well-configured peer, no, it shouldn't lose mail, just delay one message by ~15 minutes. |
| 01:23.05 | Guerin | Dewi: yes, I have a stock spamassassin setup after SMTP, with bayes. |
| 01:23.12 | enouf | anyone using manoj's greylist? |
| 01:23.26 | MatBoy | is there any idea when and in what version XFCE will be comming soon ? It's in testing and unstable the same version |
| 01:23.35 | Guerin | Dewi: but since I use greylisting, the bayes doesn't have much to learn from. |
| 01:23.36 | MatBoy | I mean 4.4 btw |
| 01:23.46 | Guerin | MatBoy: after etch release. |
| 01:23.49 | marek | just aptitude install xfce4 |
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| 01:23.58 | marek | its really good the way it is |
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| 01:24.02 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I am trying to install vim under a limited user account, I downloaded and installed ncurses 5 in /home/marc/jail/, I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/marc/jail/lib: (usr lib ,etc), but vim config fails with checking for tgetent()... configure: error: NOT FOUND! You need to install a terminal library; for example ncurses. |
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| 01:24.09 | MatBoy | Guerin, ok, and I think I find something about that in the mailinglists ? |
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| 01:24.22 | haggz | karsten: yeah, i read somewhere that stracing straces was a good way to stress-test kernels, and since strace strace ls still seemed to behave sanely, i decided to add another :) |
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| 01:24.35 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 01:24.56 | enouf | i know there's a Debian pkg .. but check http://www.golden-gryphon.com/blog/manoj/ .. I don't do email at all :-) |
| 01:25.04 | Guerin | Dewi: a lot of people think it's not appropriate for their use case - mostly because they don't realise how configurable it is. Even on the most permissive settings I can think of (requiring a delay of 60s, whitelisting after one successful message) it still rejects hube amounts of mail |
| 01:25.16 | Dewi | haggz: it's like all the advantages of running gentoo without any of the hassle. I love4 it. |
| 01:25.18 | eldowan | I wonder what ever happened to Reiser? did he get convicted? |
| 01:25.19 | Dewi | -4 |
| 01:25.32 | Reiser_X | Guerin: how are you |
| 01:25.41 | Reiser_X | finally i can run gnugk |
| 01:25.49 | Reiser_X | i am testing with gnomemeeting |
| 01:26.03 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how can I tell a configure to look for libraries elsewhere? |
| 01:26.13 | Dewi | Guerin: I just get worried / annoyed by the low level of consistency of behaviour between "legitimate" MTAs |
| 01:26.35 | eldowan | enouf: brilliant! |
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| 01:26.40 | Dewi | Guerin: for example, just telling the difference between an "out of office" and a bounce is so difficult because every MTA has a totally different way of bouncing |
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| 01:26.54 | Reiser_X | stoned: are you there |
| 01:26.55 | enouf | sanmarcos-trabaj: ldconfig maybe .. haven't studied your question though |
| 01:27.27 | Guerin | Dewi: rejected (74%) |
| 01:27.34 | Guerin | Dewi: yeh, i see what you mean |
| 01:27.48 | Guerin | Dewi: but that's the amount of spoam which doesn't even see my filters |
| 01:28.05 | Guerin | Dewi: tbpfh i don't care what it does with out-of-office notices and such shite |
| 01:28.09 | Dewi | Guerin: I have read that there are MTAs that will give up after one transient fail... but I suppose they'd still at least get a message back so it wouldn't just disappear into the ether |
| 01:28.21 | Dewi | Guerin: I admin massive mailing lists |
| 01:28.28 | Guerin | Dewi: mm, ok. |
| 01:28.41 | enouf | MASSIVE! |
| 01:28.47 | Dewi | Guerin: (am I a spammer? Well, my colleague quit over the argument about that so... good question :D) |
| 01:29.08 | Guerin | Dewi: wtf, mailing lists are legitimate. |
| 01:29.13 | enouf | H U G E |
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| 01:29.32 | Guerin | Dewi: one problem I can see is from people who use smtp from boxes which aren't permanently connected |
| 01:29.41 | sanmarcos-trabaj | any ideas? |
| 01:29.48 | Dewi | Guerin: sure... just sometimes we don't follow every single guideline to stay 100% as-legit-as-possible |
| 01:29.55 | eldowan | enouf: big enough for you yet? |
| 01:29.59 | loca|host | i have just installed debian on my PC, there's a problem, BIOS does'nt appear to be detecting that an OS has started, by default, when the computer starts, the fans will go fast till windows loads, fans will slow down, with debian, fans never slow down |
| 01:29.59 | Dewi | Guerin: and understandbly this annoys the techs. |
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| 01:30.20 | enouf | eldowan: double - Ds suit me fine :-) |
| 01:30.22 | Guerin | Dewi: for instance, if I'm on dial-up and send a message using mutt, then go offline, I don't get to send it again within the greylisting windows |
| 01:30.33 | Guerin | that message gets lost for good (though tenchnically it's my problem) |
| 01:30.34 | SDBolts21n56 | what is a map installer? |
| 01:31.03 | eldowan | enouf: bah! thats way too large |
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| 01:31.18 | Dewi | Guerin: I also provide mailing list *services* for a lot of clients, some of whom I don't trust to use the system appropriately, and we do seem to get on RBLs and such occasionally |
| 01:31.23 | Guerin | eldowan: keep your desire for 12 year-olds to yourself |
| 01:31.27 | enouf | eldowan: ok .. nice C-cup or grapefruits will suffice ;-) |
| 01:31.31 | Guerin | Dewi: right, I see. |
| 01:31.47 | eldowan | Guerin: I thought you said you wouldn't tell! :( |
| 01:32.03 | Guerin | Dewi: it's possibly worth employing on an opt-in basis - quite easy to do. |
| 01:32.05 | Humanoid | I recently upgraded libx11-dev, but for some reason the files in /usr/include/X11/ from that packages are gone. Is there a way to check if a package is installed correctly, such that it can list the missing files? |
| 01:32.10 | eldowan | enouf: naah, b's for mees. |
| 01:32.31 | enouf | eldowan: it's all about the lower half though ;-) .. |
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| 01:32.38 | Guerin | get a room |
| 01:32.45 | enouf | heh |
| 01:33.00 | eldowan | Guerin: I've got 5, thanks. |
| 01:33.06 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I am trying to install vim under a limited user account, I downloaded and installed ncurses 5 in /home/marc/jail/, I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/marc/jail/lib: (usr lib ,etc), but vim config fails with checking for tgetent()... configure: error: NOT FOUND! You need to install a terminal library; for example ncurses. |
| 01:33.52 | Dewi | sanmarcos-trabaj: does ./configure need a more specific path to ncurses or something? |
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| 01:34.15 | lunaphyte | i thought i once read some info on doing basic pattern matching in syslog.conf - maybe wrt the program sending the message? but i don't see mention of this in the man page. is this possible? |
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| 01:34.48 | Humanoid | sanmarcos-trabaj: When compiling, you need the libname.a files. LD_LIBRARY_PATH is only for libname.so files that are used when running the compiled program. |
| 01:34.52 | rpc | is there anyone around that could help me with proxy arp a bit? sick problem to debug |
| 01:34.52 | enouf | sanmarcos-trabaj: is your "limited" account already a chroot jail? |
| 01:35.03 | sanmarcos-trabaj | enouf, no |
| 01:35.13 | enouf | sanmarcos-trabaj: look into schroot maybe .. er ok then |
| 01:35.21 | sanmarcos-trabaj | Humanoid, ok, how do I provide ./configure with those .a files? |
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| 01:35.40 | enouf | sanmarcos-trabaj: the PATH implied it |
| 01:35.47 | versuchsanstalt | what could i do to find out what filesystem is on a partition? |
| 01:35.49 | Humanoid | sanmarcos-trabaj: I don't know. Look at the man page, or the home page for autotools. |
| 01:36.11 | enouf | sanmarcos-trabaj: you have build-essential installed? |
| 01:36.13 | versuchsanstalt | beyond fdisk |
| 01:36.27 | sanmarcos-trabaj | enouf, no |
| 01:36.42 | enouf | !build-essential |
| 01:36.42 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't need this package. This package contains an informational list of packages which are considered essential for building Debian packages. or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit |
| 01:36.42 | sanmarcos-trabaj | enouf, I cant install it either by apt (I can source it though..) |
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| 01:36.56 | enouf | bah .. |
| 01:37.10 | enouf | nevermind |
| 01:37.13 | sanmarcos-trabaj | ? |
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| 01:42.13 | Caelum | sawfish hasn't been updated in 4 years...what do people use these days for a WM? |
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| 01:43.39 | amphi | Caelum: I find openbox pleasant these days |
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| 01:45.23 | Caelum | I'll give it a try thank you |
| 01:48.33 | amphi | Caelum: you can set up keybindings for pretty much everything, which I like |
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| 01:48.54 | astronut | how do i make sed -i "s/foo/bar/" file only replace the first instance of foo |
| 01:49.03 | black_13 | Guerin, http://www.redhat.com/archives/rhl-devel-list/2005-October/msg00084.html if your interested |
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| 01:49.44 | BrownFrog | Is there any way to mount an ext3 partition in such a way that normal users can read/write files on that partition? |
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| 01:50.44 | eldowan | BrownFrog: you have to have permissions setup correctly. |
| 01:50.54 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, it doesn't depend on ext3 moutning options but solely on the permissions themelves, which are specific to eachj file and directory |
| 01:51.35 | fsmunoz | I.e. there isn't an equivalente to the fat32 uid= parameter |
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| 01:58.30 | lunaphyte | what is /dev/xconsole? how does it compare to /dev/console? |
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| 01:59.22 | Garda | hey guys |
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| 01:59.58 | Garda | anyone here know the kernel version in the latest weekly build of etch |
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| 02:00.31 | Azar | hello honor ables! |
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| 02:00.43 | BrownFrog | eldowan, fsmunoz: So chmod'ing the directories should work in general, but how can one change the permissions of the "root" directory? |
| 02:01.04 | BrownFrog | eldowan, fsmunoz: (As in the base directory, not the home of root) |
| 02:01.06 | Azar | great news for #debian! soon no more ubuntu users will come here :) |
| 02:01.26 | lunaphyte | why is that? |
| 02:01.35 | eldowan | BrownFrog: why do you want regular uses to have access to /? |
| 02:01.40 | Azar | ubuntu merged with another distro :) |
| 02:01.51 | eldowan | Azar: do what? |
| 02:02.04 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, "/" is a directory also... but changing / permissions is not something that I ever seen done on purpose or with good results |
| 02:02.05 | Azar | they go 100% with commercial software |
| 02:02.06 | BrownFrog | eldowan: Because it's set up as a data partition I want to share between distributions |
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| 02:02.32 | eldowan | BrownFrog: you can chmod -R the mountpoint, or chown to give access to certain users |
| 02:02.34 | Azar | eldowan: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7103672739.html |
| 02:03.04 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz: Don't I need to make the root directory as writable/executable so normal users can navigate through there in the first place, or am I misunderstanding UNIX permissions? |
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| 02:03.36 | BrownFrog | eldowan: I'll try that... |
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| 02:04.20 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, no. |
| 02:04.40 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, the default / perms already allow that |
| 02:05.00 | eldowan | fsmunoz: navigation only needs read perms |
| 02:05.05 | astronut | how do i make sed -i "s/foo/bar/" file only replace the first instance of foo? |
| 02:05.08 | fsmunoz | Actually, all dirs under / are browsable and readable by default |
| 02:05.09 | eldowan | and execute |
| 02:05.20 | fsmunoz | s(and(are/ |
| 02:05.25 | Caelum | Azar: what did they merge with? |
| 02:05.31 | eldowan | Caelum: linspire |
| 02:05.48 | black_13 | is there an autologin for xdm |
| 02:05.56 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz, eldown: ok, so on a virgin ext3 partition, I should just create a directory named, say, data, and give users permission to read/write *it*, and all will be well? |
| 02:06.11 | Caelum | eldowan: sucks to be them |
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| 02:06.42 | eldowan | BrownFrog: yes, if I understand correctly |
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| 02:06.54 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, are you trying to share a partition between two dists/OS's in the same computer? |
| 02:07.18 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz, eldown: yup, exactly, for ISOs and other large data |
| 02:07.34 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz, eldown: (say, dl.tv downloads) |
| 02:08.06 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, if so, / permissions have nothing to do with it. Create the ext3 fs in the device (say, for example, /dev/hda3), mount that partition in a mountpoint (say, /mnt/shared-data) and change the permissions of /mnt/shared-data |
| 02:08.08 | SAURON_EVIL | oi sera que alguem pode me dizer como instalar o winamp !!! |
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| 02:08.22 | Azar | !br |
| 02:08.22 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:08.33 | Garda | !en |
| 02:08.33 | dpkg | english |
| 02:08.38 | infinity1 | what kernel package do i use on a Intel dual core xeon 5110 processor? |
| 02:08.50 | eldowan | 686? |
| 02:08.50 | fsmunoz | SAURON_EVIL, this is an english channel (mas resposta rapida: Winamp e Windows, o mais parecido em Linux e o xmms. apt-get install xmms) |
| 02:08.50 | Garda | :( |
| 02:08.53 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz: hmm, I guess I was unclear there; I meant the / of the new partition, not the / of the OS |
| 02:09.03 | infinity1 | eldowan: seems the 686 ones are gone! |
| 02:09.04 | fsmunoz | Ahh |
| 02:09.07 | fsmunoz | The thing is |
| 02:09.10 | SAURON_EVIL | thanks |
| 02:09.11 | Garda | that has support for em64t right |
| 02:09.16 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, there ins't a "/" of the new partition |
| 02:09.18 | Garda | amd64 |
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| 02:09.30 | eldowan | BrownFrog: generally root means the root of the system. / refers to the start of your OS. :D |
| 02:09.41 | Azar | eldowan: on etch I think I remember the kernels are merged.. |
| 02:09.50 | eldowan | Azar: wow, when did that happen? |
| 02:09.50 | SAURON_EVIL | #debian-br |
| 02:09.56 | infinity1 | do i use amd64-generic or amd64-k8 ? |
| 02:10.03 | Azar | eldowan: I read last October in the news... |
| 02:10.07 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz: Ah, ok; sorry for the confusing terminology ;) What would be the correct way to refer to the base directory of a mounted partition? |
| 02:10.11 | infinity1 | or something else |
| 02:10.14 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, the new partition will be mounted wherever you chose. |
| 02:10.15 | fsmunoz | mountpoint |
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| 02:10.18 | Azar | something like no more 386, 486, 686 stuff like that |
| 02:10.27 | eldowan | linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 02:10.28 | fsmunoz | The filesystem mountpoint |
| 02:10.43 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, just as / is the mountpoint of the "root filesystem" |
| 02:10.45 | Azar | hmm let me look at the notification again |
| 02:10.55 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz: ah, ok; thanks! |
| 02:11.05 | eldowan | Azar: are you referring to the merging of the smp and non-smp kernels? |
| 02:11.30 | infinity1 | eldowan: that can't be. xeon 5110 is amd64 |
| 02:11.38 | infinity1 | not i386 |
| 02:11.44 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog, yw |
| 02:11.59 | eldowan | infinity1: I'm using a k7 kernel on my amd64. :D |
| 02:12.22 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz, eldown: ok, the subdirectory idea seems to be working; I made a new directory called data, and chown and chgrp'ed it, and it works :D (I set my uid the same on all distros on purpose, so cross-distro antics shouldn't be a problem) |
| 02:12.22 | infinity1 | eldowan: err ..you're in 32 bit mode i guess |
| 02:12.38 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz, eldown: thanks again for all your help :) |
| 02:12.38 | eldowan | Azar: do I understand the article correctly? ubuntu and linspire in the past were based on debian. linspire is dumping debian, and ubuntu is going to be linspire based? |
| 02:12.41 | eldowan | infinity1: indeed. |
| 02:12.46 | eldowan | BrownFrog: no probs. |
| 02:12.55 | fsmunoz | BrownFrog: good ides fixing the uid, you would have problems otherwise. |
| 02:13.16 | infinity1 | i guess i'll try kernel-image-2.6-amd64-generic |
| 02:13.24 | SAURON_EVIL | hi help-me!! |
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| 02:13.53 | infinity1 | i'm confused. too many processors now adays |
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| 02:14.22 | eldowan | infinity1: arm, sparc, amd, intel, morotola, ibm, and the list goes on. |
| 02:14.41 | BrownFrog | fsmunoz: yup; I already use a uid= parameter on a FAT32 partition I use to share data with Windows, so I was aware of the problem for a while. I thought there would be something similar for ext3, but silly me, I should have thought of the fact it could just use the permissions on the partition as-is. |
| 02:15.03 | infinity1 | eldowan: not only that, but some intels are amd64! shit |
| 02:15.22 | fsmunoz | Yes, it only exists for fat32 because the permissions don't exist (and ntfs because they aren't mappable). |
| 02:15.30 | eldowan | infinity1: just as amds are x86, and intel technology. :D |
| 02:16.01 | infinity1 | well, what i mean is its called amd64 but you install it on intel... |
| 02:17.01 | eldowan | infinity1: only if you want the 64bit goodness. |
| 02:17.15 | infinity1 | eldowan: gotta have 64 bit goodness! |
| 02:17.43 | Wyzard | not that it makes a difference for most stuff |
| 02:17.47 | eldowan | don't leave home without it. |
| 02:17.54 | eldowan | Wyzard: thats why I'm still on k7. |
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| 02:18.39 | infinity1 | eldowan: i imaging if you're running mysql it should help |
| 02:18.46 | Wyzard | I built a Conroe system recently and I'm running amd64 Debian on it |
| 02:18.58 | Wyzard | but I'd probably stick with 32-bit if I cared about, say, Flash |
| 02:19.20 | infinity1 | Wyzard: you can run 32 and 64 at the same time |
| 02:19.34 | Wyzard | With a chroot, I know, but it's not really worth the effort |
| 02:19.51 | Wyzard | Everything I actually need runs fine in native 64-bit |
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| 02:19.58 | infinity1 | Wyzard: i needed vmware-server, so ...yea. it was a pain in the s** |
| 02:20.13 | Wyzard | VMware Server runs fine on amd64 |
| 02:20.44 | infinity1 | Wyzard: hmm ..it must not of like a year ago |
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| 02:20.48 | Wyzard | It's a 32-bit program, but assuming you install ia32-libs, it works fine |
| 02:20.51 | Wyzard | I have it installed on this system |
| 02:21.03 | eldowan | Wyzard: thats good to know. |
| 02:21.17 | infinity1 | Wyzard: oh yea. exactly. thats a pain |
| 02:21.26 | infinity1 | nooo |
| 02:21.34 | infinity1 | you need more than just ia32-libs |
| 02:21.46 | Wyzard | The only drawback is it can't use your (64-bit) GTK so it has to use its own shipped copy of GTK, so it doesn't use your configured GTK theme |
| 02:21.47 | infinity1 | i forget exactly what i did.. but ia32-libs didn't solve it |
| 02:22.20 | Wyzard | I don't recall installing any other packaged 32-bit libraries, but at any rate, I have VMware Server installed on an amd64 box and it works fine |
| 02:22.33 | Wyzard | so it's definitely possible |
| 02:22.40 | Wyzard | and I didn't have to jump through any hoops to make it work |
| 02:22.46 | infinity1 | hmm ...maybe somethign changed.. i just know it was a royal pain when i did it last year |
| 02:22.58 | infinity1 | not like 1 month last year. ..like feb of last year |
| 02:23.03 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:23.13 | Wyzard | Well, I just installed it about a month ago, on sid |
| 02:23.50 | infinity1 | Wyzard: good to know its easy now though :) ...i'll be doing it again in about a month |
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| 02:26.13 | Azar | hmm what does preseeding means? |
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| 02:27.14 | stew | !preseed |
| 02:27.14 | dpkg | from memory, preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 02:27.17 | Azar | eldowan: well it is yet unclear on what ubuntu will be based but it seems like it wants to fly away from debian... maybe they will base each other |
| 02:27.46 | eldowan | Azar: I was confused about that. it seemed a little unclear in the story. |
| 02:28.06 | Azar | thank you stew, I am trying to find the article where I read that the Etch's apt-cache search linux-kernel will give a list of "merged" architectures is that right? |
| 02:28.29 | Azar | eldowan: it really looks like a stew - sorry stew for the wording |
| 02:28.42 | xp_prg | anyone know how to fix this error: X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. ? |
| 02:28.45 | stew | Azar: i don't know what '"merged" architectures' means |
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| 02:29.00 | black_13 | !rungetty |
| 02:29.00 | maddash | while installing debian, i made a mistake of setting my primary user account password the same as root's. then i tried changing the user p/w via `passwd` (sans `sudo`). then i `sudo passwd` p/w for root. now, the p/w for `su` and `sudo` are diff, with `sudo` p/w == user p/w.. what gives? |
| 02:29.45 | amphi | heh |
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| 02:29.45 | Azar | stew, you know in woody and sarge you get a loong list of kernels based on PI, PII, PIII...etc... I think it will not be anymore like that with Etch |
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| 02:29.46 | eldowan | stew: I think Azar means 686 and amd64 and k7 all mearged together |
| 02:29.46 | Guerin | Azar: why? |
| 02:29.49 | Azar | I guess one line for pentium, and one for AMD |
| 02:29.58 | maddash | any ideas? |
| 02:29.59 | alrs | bum-out |
| 02:29.59 | stew | Azar: besides the fact that all kernels are now SMP, i don't know what would have changed |
| 02:30.02 | fsmunoz | maddash, that's the way it is supposed to be |
| 02:30.09 | Guerin | Azar: 386 and 686 are practically all anyone uses |
| 02:30.11 | alrs | I just found out that vpslink doesn't want customers using apt-get |
| 02:30.27 | stew | except now 386 is 486 |
| 02:30.29 | fsmunoz | maddash, sudo always asks the user that invoked it password, not the password of root |
| 02:30.31 | alrs | as they're afraid that upgrades will hork the custom vz stuff |
| 02:30.32 | Guerin | right |
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| 02:30.35 | Azar | wow thanks |
| 02:30.36 | maddash | fsmunoz: huh? `sudo` should require root's p/w. but it doesn't. did you read my msg? |
| 02:30.51 | Guerin | maddash: no, sudo never requires the root pass |
| 02:30.56 | stew | maddash: no, sudo should require the users's passwrd, not root's password |
| 02:30.57 | Guerin | maddash: that's the whole point of sudo |
| 02:30.59 | heh_v_water | sudo does not require root's password it asks for your user password |
| 02:31.19 | fsmunoz | maddash: no, it should require the users password. Unless you changed /etc/sudoers and add the NOPASSWD option, in which case sudo won't even ask for the users password |
| 02:31.24 | maddash | Guerin: what's the point of sudo? |
| 02:31.33 | eldowan | but sudo can be configured to ask for roots password |
| 02:31.40 | Guerin | maddash: that someone should NOT need the root pass to do things root says he's allowed to do |
| 02:31.46 | Guerin | maddash: man sudo; man sudoers |
| 02:31.55 | haggz | maddash: sudo gives you fine grained control of what actions users can perform |
| 02:32.02 | Guerin | eldowan: defeating the purpose of sudo |
| 02:32.05 | Dacicus | This is very weird. I'm running Sarge in VMWare, and the amount of space available on /dev/sda1 (Mounted on /) gets lower ever time I power on, even though I haven't been adding or removing files. Is this normal? |
| 02:32.29 | maddash | Guerin: then why bother with sudo? |
| 02:32.30 | eldowan | Guerin: couldn't sudo be setup to ask for a specified user's password instead of roots, or current users? |
| 02:32.33 | Guerin | Dacicus: perhaps it's not clearing /tmp? also, logs accumulate naturally. |
| 02:32.34 | Azar | aahhhh yes! SMP images merged with non-SMP |
| 02:32.37 | Azar | thanks stew |
| 02:32.54 | eldowan | Azar: I told you that a while ago... :D |
| 02:33.03 | maddash | Guerin: if any user can sudo, ie act as root, then why bother with sudo? |
| 02:33.05 | Guerin | maddash: just read the fucking documentation, if you're any smarter than the average ten year-old it'll become clear to you. |
| 02:33.10 | Azar | eldowan: sorry maybe I was looking for the article... |
| 02:33.16 | eldowan | Azar: :D all good. |
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| 02:33.22 | fsmunoz | maddash, you aren't understanding sudo |
| 02:33.23 | amphi | maddash: sudo is a way of allowing users to run certain commands that require root privs, without giving them the root passwd |
| 02:33.32 | eldowan | maddash: only specifically allowed users are able to use sudo. |
| 02:33.33 | Guerin | maddash: hint: root can delegate some permissions, but needs a way of verifying that the person to whom those are delegated is who he claims to be |
| 02:33.37 | fsmunoz | maddash, sudo be default doesn't allow any user do anything as root |
| 02:33.39 | Dacicus | Guerin: Where do the logs accumulate? |
| 02:33.45 | Guerin | Dacicus: /var/log |
| 02:33.53 | fsmunoz | maddash, you have to tell it which users can do which commands on which machines |
| 02:34.13 | loca|host | My CPU Fans wont stop running with Debian ;( , it does with wondows |
| 02:34.25 | maddash | Guerin: if someone can break into my accnt via ssh, sudo pretty much ensures that he could do some fancy root things... |
| 02:34.30 | fsmunoz | Say, allow a regular user to use "apt-get" as root to allow him to install packages, but nothing else, etc. |
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| 02:34.40 | Guerin | maddash: you're allowing the ubuntu blanket grant of ALL : ALL to confuse you. That's not what sudo is for. |
| 02:34.43 | Dacicus | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 02:35.03 | eldowan | loca|host: you probably want cpu freq or a similar thing running. |
| 02:35.19 | loca|host | eldowan, what's that ? |
| 02:35.28 | fsmunoz | maddash, innocent question, but are you using Ubuntu? Only asking because Ubuntu does ship with an already configured sudo to allow the user created during install to do anything as root |
| 02:35.30 | d0uglas | putting linux on a fresh laptop with an ATI radeon xpress 1150m 256MB "hypermemory" .. what are the odds of google earthing around with > 2 fps? |
| 02:35.45 | d0uglas | without spending twenty years configuring fglrx drivers? |
| 02:35.48 | eldowan | loca|host: I'm assuming you have a new pc. cpufreq is like speedstep or cool'n'quiet support in windows. |
| 02:35.55 | maddash | fsmunoz: no, i think i tripped over some ubuntu howto when googling for sudo howtos. |
| 02:36.10 | loca|host | eldowan, is it a module ? package ? |
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| 02:36.23 | fsmunoz | maddash, right, same thing applies.. I actually use sudo ALL:ALL myself |
| 02:36.29 | maddash | Guerin, fsmunoz: how's your /etc/sudoers look like for the user accnt? |
| 02:36.49 | eldowan | loca|host: I think a package. |
| 02:36.49 | Guerin | maddash: i don't use sudo. |
| 02:36.56 | fsmunoz | maddash, but understand that the ALL:ALL means every command on every machine, that's why it allows everything |
| 02:36.59 | maddash | Guerin: gksu? |
| 02:37.12 | eldowan | or su -c |
| 02:37.24 | Guerin | maddash: no. Since I (the meatspace person) am root, it's useless to me |
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| 02:37.55 | loca|host | eldowan, cpufreq is "CPU dynamic frequency control for processors with scaling" is it controling the heat of CPU and changing fans status ? |
| 02:38.00 | Guerin | i run one terminal with a bunch of user shells in screen(1) and a separate terminal without screen for root |
| 02:38.15 | maddash | Guerin: huh? |
| 02:38.21 | maddash | Guerin: you run everything as root? |
| 02:38.37 | fsmunoz | maddash, tell me what are you trying to achieve... do you want to, say, enable a specific user to be able to invoke every command as root without sudo asking for a password? |
| 02:38.42 | Guerin | maddash: no, but I know the root pass to every box upon which I have an account. |
| 02:38.43 | fsmunoz | Or something in that lines? |
| 02:38.53 | Guerin | maddash: so sudo buys me no functionality. |
| 02:39.05 | d0uglas | status of support for ati radeon 1150m 256mb chip? any idea off hand? |
| 02:39.06 | eldowan | loca|host: it controls the frequency of the running cpu, by reducing the cpu frequency, heat is reduced, allowing the fans to slowdown, if the fans are controlled in bios |
| 02:39.28 | eldowan | d0uglas: ati.amd.com? |
| 02:39.35 | d0uglas | eldowan: thanks |
| 02:39.37 | maddash | Guerin, fsmunoz: i always thought that sudo was an enhanced su that allowed one-liner commands (ie, `sudo aptitude` vs. `su` then `aptitude`) |
| 02:39.48 | Guerin | maddash: don't think, read. |
| 02:39.55 | BrownFrog | maddash: use su -c 'command' for that |
| 02:40.01 | d0uglas | eldowan: ...in other words, i should go with the proprietary drivers right |
| 02:40.20 | BrownFrog | maddash: for example: su -c 'apt-get install phpsysinfo' |
| 02:40.22 | Guerin | sudo is something whoc makes you prove who YOU (user) are, then allows commands root has delegated to you |
| 02:40.25 | fsmunoz | maddash, really, do a "man sudoers", they have a good EXAMPLES section. sudo allows you to specify users, groups and commands |
| 02:40.29 | Guerin | su allows you to become root |
| 02:40.36 | eldowan | d0uglas: haven't the slightest idea. if you follow the links there, it will provide a list of chipsets with which fglrx is compatible. |
| 02:41.01 | eldowan | d0uglas: though if you find out that your's is supported, I'd use the fglrx packages rather than the ones from the amd.com |
| 02:41.20 | maddash | BrownFrog: thanks |
| 02:41.31 | BrownFrog | maddash: no problem :) |
| 02:42.02 | maddash | Guerin: wow, so i actually have a big gaping security hole if anyone can ssh into my box |
| 02:42.29 | maddash | sudo aptitude purge sudo |
| 02:42.33 | maddash | how's that for irony? |
| 02:42.38 | fsmunoz | maddash, arrgh, no |
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| 02:43.53 | fsmunoz | maddash, good for irony, but not rational because sudo it's a security enhacement, not a risk. It could be worthless tom you on you own system, but priceless on servers |
| 02:44.10 | Guerin | maddash: if you have ALL:ALL (ALL) nopasswd |
| 02:44.25 | Guerin | then yes, you should have been taken out back and shot already |
| 02:44.38 | maddash | Guerin: not even that. they'd already have my user p/w (aka sudo p/w). |
| 02:44.50 | Guerin | if you don't have the nopasswd thing, it's *barely* sane as long as you're very careful with your user password |
| 02:44.57 | fsmunoz | It depends on your configuration of it, if you have ALL:ALL then the security of your system is as strong as your user account, true. Just don't use that |
| 02:45.10 | Guerin | maddash: not if they had to enter your password to change it |
| 02:45.46 | Guerin | yes, sudo when deployed correctly by a competent admin is utterlky invaluable |
| 02:45.48 | eldowan | stoned: |
| 02:46.09 | Guerin | but like any good tool, it's capable of substantiual good and substantial evil |
| 02:46.13 | fsmunoz | True |
| 02:46.27 | eldowan | Guerin: doesn't sudo get to be a pain with multiple users over a long time? configuring sudo, i mean. |
| 02:47.04 | maddash | it's only me on this box, so it'll have to be `aptitude purge sudo` until i read enough. |
| 02:47.15 | Guerin | eldowan: yes, it is a major pain if you have to do it for a bunch of users on a bunch of machines |
| 02:47.18 | Guerin | eldowan: but then, so is root |
| 02:47.25 | eldowan | Guerin: got you :D |
| 02:47.29 | Guerin | choose your poison |
| 02:47.47 | eldowan | VISTA! |
| 02:47.53 | Guerin | maddash: that's the responsible thing to do |
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| 02:48.11 | black_13 | can i use rungetty to startx directly |
| 02:48.18 | Guerin | Windows Hollowpoint edition: guaranteed to finish the job ME started |
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| 02:48.31 | fsmunoz | maddash, thing of this: you want to allow your girlfriend (this is theoretical, of course :) ) to "apt-get install ..." stuff, but nothing else. sudo is the solution for that |
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| 02:51.42 | thirith | Dear all i am anew comer |
| 02:51.54 | eldowan | welcome anew comer! |
| 02:52.07 | thirith | i have some question to ask. |
| 02:52.11 | thirith | eldowan, hi |
| 02:52.13 | Guerin | please ask it |
| 02:52.22 | tarcisio | olá |
| 02:52.32 | eldowan | thirith: yes, do tell. |
| 02:52.48 | pink1 | is it possible to get my laptop to boot from a USB flash drive even if the BIOS doesn't mention USB in the boot-from-sequence options? |
| 02:53.06 | tarcisio | portugues? |
| 02:53.08 | stew | !br |
| 02:53.08 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:53.19 | thirith | eldowan, i want get to know more about how to configure Keyboard. |
| 02:53.20 | tarcisio | alguem falar portugues |
| 02:53.26 | Guerin | pink1: likely not |
| 02:53.35 | pink1 | there's an entry in the BIOS saying USB Legacy Emulation - which is disabled |
| 02:53.43 | eldowan | thirith: good luck. I havne't an idea on how to do that. someone else in the channel might. :D |
| 02:53.45 | stew | tarcisio: english only in here, "/j #debian-br" for portugues |
| 02:53.59 | tarcisio | ok |
| 02:54.02 | stew | !keymap |
| 02:54.02 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 02:54.05 | haggz | pink1: if you have grub installed on your hdd, grub can start and then boot the usb, i believe |
| 02:54.07 | thirith | eldowan, great thank you |
| 02:54.25 | pink1 | haggz: I want it to boot with reference to the HDD |
| 02:54.31 | Guerin | haggz: only if the bios does usb support |
| 02:54.40 | thirith | eldowan, i am waiting any help from every body who is family with. |
| 02:54.47 | Guerin | and even then it's a bit flakey, in my experience |
| 02:54.48 | pink1 | haggz: I'd like to remove the hdd's ;-) |
| 02:55.06 | Guerin | thirith: what's unconfigured about it? |
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| 02:55.15 | thirith | Guerin, hi |
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| 02:55.38 | thirith | Guerin, i want to setup my own new keyboard. |
| 02:55.53 | Guerin | thirith: why does it need to be set up? |
| 02:55.57 | Guerin | it should just work |
| 02:56.32 | haggz | guerin: thanks for the info, i thought grub let you boot any device you could mount |
| 02:56.53 | thirith | Guerin, the old one is use ALT_L for any key which has more then 2 characters per key. |
| 02:57.18 | thirith | Guerin, did you understand what wa said? |
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| 02:57.58 | Guerin | thirith: ok. run dpkg-reconfigure console-data to select the proper keyboard for the console; for x run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:58.35 | thirith | Guerin, ok i am follow you and doing it now. |
| 02:59.04 | black_13 | well i got x starting automatically |
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| 03:00.11 | black_13 | but but during the start up xauth timeout in locking authority file //.Xauthority |
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| 03:03.13 | hooya | rahul: a while back you suggested using clc-register-user-package. what are the advantages over asdf:install ? |
| 03:03.24 | jpoon | hey guys...got a problem with my nvidia video card installation |
| 03:03.42 | jpoon | I was able to successfully install the nvidial driver rev.9746 |
| 03:03.55 | loca|host | anyone can help me ? my CPU Fan wont stop with Debian, it does with Windows ;( |
| 03:03.58 | jpoon | however, GLX isn't recognized by the system... |
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| 03:04.17 | ttick | when I did the install I selected a 16bit character set. But since then mutt has been acting funny with +8bit characters. How do I revert my system back? |
| 03:04.25 | jpoon | I look in the /var/log/xorg.log, and it shows that GLX was loaded, but when I run glxinfo, i am getting a segfault |
| 03:05.02 | Dacicus | Hm, I think I've found the source of my decreasing "HD" space. Is it safe to delete the files in /var/log/ksymoops? |
| 03:05.32 | hooya | loca|host: do you have cpufrequtils? |
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| 03:06.19 | loca|host | hooya, no, am apt-getting it now |
| 03:06.30 | loca|host | hooya, should i restart ? |
| 03:06.40 | hooya | no need. i think. |
| 03:06.43 | maddash | loca|host: no need |
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| 03:06.57 | maddash | loca|host: `cpufreq-info` |
| 03:06.58 | Guerin | Dacicus: in principle, you should be free to delete anything in /var/log |
| 03:07.14 | Guerin | Dacicus: better to use logrotate or something to compress it, though |
| 03:07.24 | maddash | loca|host: then `su -c cpufreq-set -f [frequency in Hz]` |
| 03:08.09 | thirith | Guerin, what is meta_key? |
| 03:08.10 | Dacicus | Guerin: What could go wrong? |
| 03:08.11 | loca|host | maddash, cpufreq-info says : "pas de pilotes cpufreq reconnu pour ce CPU" |
| 03:08.30 | loca|host | maddash, that says that there's no cpufreq drivers for this CPU |
| 03:08.55 | maddash | loca|host: mm. what cpu are you on? |
| 03:09.09 | loca|host | maddash, P4 2.8 |
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| 03:09.41 | loca|host | /proc/cpuinfo says : model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| 03:09.51 | loca|host | cpu MHz : 2792.577 |
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| 03:10.28 | Maximiliano | hi... ive got a doubt... if i install a software (whatever) will it use memory and cpu time if i do not execute it? i mean... i use epiphany-browser the most of the time, but in some webpages i need to use firefox... if i install both, will firefox consume memory and cpu when it is not running? |
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| 03:11.13 | eldowan | Maximiliano: it will consume the amount of memory required to keep it running, but shouldn't have any noticable impact on your CPU |
| 03:11.23 | eldowan | Maximiliano: I could be wrong though |
| 03:11.30 | Dacicus | He said when it's not running. |
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| 03:12.26 | maddash | loca|host: i run a P/M. and i require the speedstep_centrino kernel module. i'm not sure if the same would work for P4, though. |
| 03:12.39 | Dacicus | imo, it would be very weird if some program used resources when not running |
| 03:12.40 | Maximiliano | ive got lot of disk space... but my cpu is a pentium 3 700mhz and have only 512mb of ram... |
| 03:12.40 | eldowan | Maximiliano: sorry. any installed program shouldn't consume any RAM and cpu cycles if that program isn't running. |
| 03:12.58 | Maximiliano | thanks eldowan... |
| 03:13.06 | eldowan | Maximiliano: only running applications should consume any system resources. :D |
| 03:13.10 | maddash | loca|host: `lsmod|grep processor` |
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| 03:13.32 | loca|host | maddash, processor 26028 1 thermal |
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| 03:13.55 | Maximiliano | eldowan, ive asked this before... but ive got as answer...."everything waste resouces" and no more explanation |
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| 03:16.17 | maddash | loca|host: `lsmod|grep acpi` |
| 03:16.42 | eldowan | Maximiliano: this probably meant that it resides in your storage medium, thus wasting space when not used. That is just a guess though. |
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| 03:17.12 | maddash | loca|host: seems like cpufrequtils has a daemon running in the bkgrnd. maybe you should try a restart after all. |
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| 03:17.18 | Dacicus | What are .ksyms files? |
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| 03:17.30 | Guerin | Dacicus: something to google |
| 03:17.34 | pyrohotdog | I know this is probably really redundant, but can someone help me install ATI drivers...? |
| 03:17.47 | gmcinnes_ | Hi all: I'm just on to debian testing, and I'm trying to ssh into the box. It's giving me permission denied, even though I think keyboard-interactive passwords should be on. Is there something I have to frob? |
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| 03:18.03 | Dacicus | Guerin: Great answer :) |
| 03:18.08 | eldowan | pyrohotdog: have you tried this: /msg dpkg fglrx |
| 03:18.16 | Supaplex | !burp |
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| 03:18.37 | loca|host | maddash, maybe cpufreqd ? |
| 03:18.42 | stew | pyrohotdog: which radeon chipset does your card have? |
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| 03:19.53 | pyrohotdog | Radeon 9200 |
| 03:20.08 | stew | pyrohotdog: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 03:20.38 | pyrohotdog | 3.1 |
| 03:20.48 | d0uglas | hi |
| 03:20.51 | d0uglas | lspci says Broadcom Unknown Device 4311 (rev 01).. can i ndiswrap my way out of this or should i exchange this laptop |
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| 03:21.26 | stew | pyrohotdog: "apt-get install x-window-system-core" will install x, and x comes with drivers for your card |
| 03:21.27 | maddash | loca|host: maybe not. |
| 03:21.42 | maddash | loca|host: did you try restarting? |
| 03:21.48 | loca|host | am restarting now |
| 03:21.51 | pyrohotdog | stew: I don't need to install FGLRX myself? |
| 03:22.08 | Guerin | d0uglas: i go for the latter |
| 03:22.09 | stew | pyrohotdog: no. you don't need fglrx, your card is fully supported by the free drivers |
| 03:22.17 | hooya | maddash: why restart? |
| 03:22.22 | d0uglas | Guerin: sigh ... i knew it.. |
| 03:22.30 | maddash | hooya: startup scripts |
| 03:22.34 | d0uglas | thing also came with ati, so might as well |
| 03:22.43 | hooya | maddash: like? |
| 03:22.47 | Guerin | d0uglas: that's not to say you can't make it work with ndiscrapper - just that I wouldn't bother |
| 03:22.48 | Maximiliano | eldowan, i understud... disk space is a resource too.... but i was trying to ask only abour cpu and memory... your answer make me clear, thanks (and forgive my english) |
| 03:22.59 | maddash | loca|host: `grep X86_P4 /boot/config-$(uname -r)` |
| 03:23.09 | maddash | hooya: poke around init.d |
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| 03:23.30 | Xenguy | eldowan: hi - remember we were chatting a few days ago about the double-underline links you see on some web sites? |
| 03:23.37 | hooya | so instead of a restart, should instead look to do '/etc/init.d/X start' maybe? |
| 03:23.55 | eldowan | Xenguy: indeed |
| 03:23.58 | hooya | where X is whatever you want to start up.. |
| 03:24.00 | loca|host | maddash, CONFIG_X86_P4_CLOCKMOD=m |
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| 03:24.08 | Xenguy | eldowan: did you ever find out how to block them? |
| 03:24.21 | maddash | hooya: i don't know how many scripts need to be started. if you do, please make the appropriate suggestions. |
| 03:24.44 | d0uglas | Guerin: yeah i've been down that road.. besides, this is for momma, and she's used to google earthing at > 2fps so might as well get a non broadcom non ati laptop anyway |
| 03:24.45 | d0uglas | Damn. |
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| 03:24.48 | hooya | with cpufreq-utils it's just /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils |
| 03:24.54 | eldowan | Xenguy: not successfully. you can try adding an entry in your /etc/hosts file redirecting anything from *.intellitxt.* to 127.0.0.1 and see if that helps. |
| 03:25.09 | Guerin | d0uglas: your mother uses google earth? Whatever for? |
| 03:25.09 | maddash | loca|host: ok, that's good. |
| 03:25.24 | maddash | loca|host: all we need to do is modprobe the appropriate module. |
| 03:25.33 | Xenguy | eldowan: tx - I'm going to keep my eyes open - I'll let you know if I figure anything out :-) |
| 03:25.35 | loca|host | maddash, wich one :D |
| 03:25.41 | hooya | from what i understand, dynamic frequency scaling only works for centrino processors.. i could be waaaay off on that on.. got it to work on my laptop but not on my workstation.. |
| 03:25.44 | eldowan | Xenguy: please do. :D |
| 03:26.04 | maddash | loca|host: p4-clockmod |
| 03:26.10 | eldowan | hooya: it has worked with amd since well before 2005. |
| 03:26.19 | hooya | ok. |
| 03:26.29 | d0uglas | Guerin: to be reassured that her AMD stocks are worth holding i guess, not knowing the difference between cpu stuff and video card work |
| 03:26.45 | Guerin | ... |
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| 03:27.03 | loca|host | maddash, i've loaded it: p4_clockmod 5388 0 |
| 03:27.21 | Guerin | i think it's so funny that random people who know nothing about securities think they should play the market themselves, rather than through a broker |
| 03:27.24 | maddash | loca|host: try cpufreq-info now |
| 03:27.27 | loca|host | maddash, cpufreq-info is working now :) |
| 03:27.45 | maddash | loca|host: you might want to add p4-clockmod to /etc/modules |
| 03:28.07 | loca|host | maddash, i've done it |
| 03:28.14 | Xenguy | d0uglas: looks like Guerin thinks you should hire an expert :-) |
| 03:28.16 | maddash | loca|host: enjoy :) |
| 03:28.24 | infinity1 | i'm setting up a new mail server. dovecot or cyrus? :) |
| 03:28.36 | Guerin | infinity1: anything other than cyrus |
| 03:28.43 | loca|host | maddash, my fan is allways on ;( |
| 03:28.47 | maddash | Guerin: brokers appear to lower profits |
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| 03:28.54 | hooya | maddash: heh, got the workstation to freqscale too ;) p4-clockmod did it. |
| 03:28.56 | maddash | loca|host: chk cpu temp |
| 03:29.01 | loca|host | madd_matt, http://pastebin.ca/346179 |
| 03:29.01 | infinity1 | Guerin: really? hate cyrus eh? |
| 03:29.02 | hooya | maddash: thanks |
| 03:29.05 | Guerin | infinity1: dovecot is reputedly awesome. I use courier, which is awesome once it's working but is a complete bastard to get to that point. |
| 03:29.07 | maddash | hooya: you're welcome :) |
| 03:29.08 | aaron | So I ran apt-get install x-window-system-core and it's up to date...? |
| 03:29.24 | d0uglas | can the latest devel debian net installer do wifi at all (no wpa, nothing like that) |
| 03:29.24 | Guerin | infinity1: yes, anything which has to use its own non-standard mail storage formats is fucking evil and wrong |
| 03:29.28 | pickcoder | infinity1: why not postfix? |
| 03:29.28 | maddash | loca|host: make sure you have acpi installed |
| 03:29.34 | infinity1 | Guerin: i have one large mail server i setup for another person which is cyrus...which was about 2 years ago |
| 03:29.40 | maddash | loca|host: then `acpi -V` |
| 03:29.51 | eldowan | Guerin: when I wanted to learn linux, I jumped in. I would probably do the same with stocks and bonds, et al |
| 03:29.54 | Guerin | pickcoder: wtf does postfix have to do with anything? |
| 03:30.09 | pickcoder | Guerin: did I ask you anything? |
| 03:30.12 | loca|host | maddash, Thermal 1: ok, 21.0 degrees C |
| 03:30.22 | Guerin | eldowan: the difference being that your life savings probably qweren't riding on free software |
| 03:30.22 | maddash | loca|host: and the fan is on ?! |
| 03:30.29 | infinity1 | Guerin: which is why i would lean toward cyrus. dovecot was still in its infancy back then |
| 03:30.33 | Guerin | pickcoder: no, you asked a stupid question, to which I asked a sane one. |
| 03:30.34 | loca|host | maddash, two fans |
| 03:30.42 | hark | loca|host: uh, set something like cpufreq-set -g conservative |
| 03:30.42 | d0uglas | Wifi support on debian net installer? |
| 03:30.48 | pickcoder | Guerin: please explain in detail |
| 03:30.56 | eldowan | Guerin: true, though I would go about it the same way I did linux. allocate a small portion of my resources and get my feet wet. grow and enjoy. :D |
| 03:31.06 | infinity1 | Guerin: i also like seive ...not sure what the solution to sieve in dovecot world is |
| 03:31.08 | maddash | hark: mm, but don't you think 20 C is conservative enough? |
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| 03:31.24 | Guerin | pickcoder: please detail how exactly postfix does any of the jobs which cyrus or dovecot do (hint - as pop/imapds) |
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| 03:31.43 | loca|host | hark, does not work |
| 03:31.48 | infinity1 | Guerin: do you use procmail with dovecot? or does it have something else? |
| 03:31.53 | Guerin | infinity1: i've never used sieve. Isn't it a combined spam/etc filter? |
| 03:32.10 | loca|host | hark, http://pastebin.ca/346184 |
| 03:32.10 | maddash | loca|host: modprobe fan |
| 03:32.13 | pickcoder | Guerin: oh.. you're right.. sorry being a totally moron |
| 03:32.15 | Guerin | infinity1: i use courier, but leave all filtering to my users. I only employ greylisting and spamassassin. |
| 03:32.26 | maddash | loca|host: make sure acpi is installed |
| 03:32.28 | infinity1 | Guerin: sieve is like a filter, but mostly only runs inside the imap world of cyrus |
| 03:32.34 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 03:32.39 | Guerin | no idea about that, then |
| 03:32.51 | infinity1 | Guerin: its kinda like procmail |
| 03:32.57 | loca|host | maddash, probed fan mod, acpi is ok Thermal 1: ok, 28.0 degrees C |
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| 03:33.17 | maddash | loca|host: poke around /proc/acpi |
| 03:33.23 | Guerin | pickcoder: happens :) |
| 03:34.10 | hark | loca|host: as root? |
| 03:34.16 | loca|host | hark, off course |
| 03:34.28 | infinity1 | wow |
| 03:34.34 | infinity1 | dovecot.org says "Sieve language support by a plugin" |
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| 03:34.53 | Guerin | nifty |
| 03:34.57 | pickcoder | stew: I wouldn't go bonkers with another patch. regarding my last comments on snoopy |
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| 03:35.24 | stew | pickcoder: don't worry, i'm not |
| 03:35.30 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:35.41 | loca|host | maddash, this will help : http://pastebin.ca/346188 |
| 03:35.46 | loca|host | see at bottom |
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| 03:42.59 | loca|host | anyone ? |
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| 03:45.16 | pyrohotdog | So...about those ATI drivers? |
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| 03:46.38 | unlink | i'm using an LCD, 1280x1024, and any fonts on a non-white/black background are hideous |
| 03:47.00 | unlink | (XFCE4) |
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| 03:48.49 | unlink | why is there a "dfsg" in the latest kernel image package name? |
| 03:49.29 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 03:49.29 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 03:49.30 | Guerin | unlink: presumably because it's been patched to comply - check the changelog |
| 03:49.35 | stew | unlink: it indicates that the source that debian s distributing has been modified from the original source in order to comply with the dfsg |
| 03:49.52 | stew | pyrohotdog: if you have a real question, just ask it |
| 03:50.21 | pyrohotdog | Haha, just need assistance installing ATI drivers/enabling opengl. |
| 03:50.23 | unlink | i know what it means, but i'm surprised that linux shows it |
| 03:50.45 | Guerin | unlink: what package name? |
| 03:50.53 | stew | pyrohotdog: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 03:51.15 | loca|host | maddash, still there ? |
| 03:51.17 | unlink | linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:51.24 | loca|host | hello abrotman |
| 03:51.27 | abrotman | hi |
| 03:51.28 | pyrohotdog | stew: says it's already up to date, nothing to install. |
| 03:51.39 | stew | pyrohotdog: then the ati drivers for your card are installed |
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| 03:52.01 | stew | pyrohotdog: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ; and select "ati" as the driver |
| 03:52.03 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: which ATI card ? |
| 03:52.07 | stew | abrotman: 9200 |
| 03:52.15 | loca|host | abrotman, have an idea about acpi controling the fan ? i've just installed etch on a new PC and it does not appear to control the CPU fan status, so it never stop |
| 03:52.25 | pyrohotdog | Radeon 9200 |
| 03:52.29 | stew | loca|host: you are running ubuntu, not etch |
| 03:52.53 | loca|host | stew, ??? |
| 03:52.58 | stew | loca|host: ?? |
| 03:53.00 | pyrohotdog | ? |
| 03:53.04 | abrotman | ??!!!!%$# |
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| 03:53.22 | loca|host | stew, first, am running etch, second, what's your problem ? |
| 03:54.30 | abrotman | loca|host: is acpid installed ? |
| 03:55.36 | stew | loca|host: what version does "dpkg -l acpid" report? |
| 03:55.36 | stew | abrotman: yeah, it is: http://pastebin.ca/346188 |
| 03:55.45 | loca|host | wait wait |
| 03:55.45 | gravity | There's a few of them, but they're ones that ubuntu actually wrote, like update-manager |
| 03:55.57 | gravity | acpid doesn't qualify, at least on my system |
| 03:56.03 | karsten | abrotman: There's a gentoo! |
| 03:56.05 | pipeline | I only get four hits for apt-cache search ubuntu |
| 03:56.17 | abrotman | karsten: and a girl for every guy |
| 03:56.23 | eldowan | i just installed banshee but it wont load. this is what I get running it in a term emu: (/usr/lib/banshee/banshee.exe:21434): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: GdkPixbufLoader finalized without calling gdk_pixbuf_loader_close() - this is not allowed. You must explicitly end the data stream to the loader before dropping the last reference. |
| 03:56.28 | pipeline | katapult, sbackup, vrms, and xserver-xorg-input-evdev :P |
| 03:56.37 | loca|host | abrotman, stew, i've tryed both debian etch and ubuntu edgy on the same pc trying to see if it work with one of those ! :) and now, am on etch |
| 03:56.38 | gravity | -evdev? wtf? |
| 03:56.39 | loca|host | ii acpid 1.0.4-5 Utilities for using ACPI power management |
| 03:56.45 | pyrohotdog | dpkg-reconfigure : command not found?! |
| 03:56.50 | karsten | abrotman: Curiously enough I ran "apt-cache search ubuntu" and saw "shackup" |
| 03:56.54 | stew | pyrohotdog: as root |
| 03:56.59 | karsten | abrotman: .... which I then realized was actually "sbackup" |
| 03:57.01 | abrotman | karsten: still won't get you laid |
| 03:57.02 | pipeline | gravity: joysticks, eh? |
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| 03:58.21 | pyrohotdog | Bus identifier? |
| 03:58.22 | pickcoder | gah |
| 03:58.24 | stew | gravity: the pre-depends for xserver-xorg always caught me off guard |
| 03:58.34 | stew | pyrohotdog: leave it blank unless you have 2 cards or are on a mac |
| 03:58.42 | gravity | stew: Yeah, that was to help out people who were mixing packages. That's gone now though. |
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| 03:59.23 | Guerin | b |
| 03:59.24 | loca|host | any idea ? |
| 03:59.45 | abrotman | your laptop doesn't implement acpi correctly |
| 04:00.22 | eldowan | loca|host: what laptop model do you have? |
| 04:00.29 | loca|host | it's not a laptop |
| 04:00.33 | loca|host | it's a PC |
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| 04:00.42 | abrotman | PCs go to sleep ? |
| 04:00.47 | eldowan | loca|host: what board do you have? |
| 04:00.59 | loca|host | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msi.com.tw%2Fprogram%2Fproducts%2Fslim_pc%2Fslm%2Fpro_slm_detail.php%3FUID%3D547&ei=8fHLRZyXMovknAPx_eG2Dw&usg=__wHm7iQKNrr0ta6TNj8NKyt6Tqj8=&sig2=-NfYAOfadrkPRenuNzaR9g |
| 04:00.59 | eldowan | s/board/motherboard/ |
| 04:01.29 | eldowan | loca|host: why post a long google link, when a short msi.com link does the job? |
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| 04:02.13 | stew | he was feeling lucky |
| 04:02.14 | pyrohotdog | Okay dpkg-reconfigure went without a hitch, but glxinfo says direct rendering is not enabled... |
| 04:02.23 | loca|host | eldowan, excuse .. |
| 04:02.32 | stew | pyrohotdog: is the radeon module loaded? |
| 04:02.39 | eldowan | loca|host: no problems. :D |
| 04:02.43 | loca|host | :D |
| 04:03.09 | abrotman | at least he's from .us :) |
| 04:03.12 | pyrohotdog | How do I check that? |
| 04:03.20 | stew | pyrohotdog: lsmod | grep radeon |
| 04:03.22 | eldowan | abrotman: what? |
| 04:03.30 | eldowan | aah n/m |
| 04:03.31 | abrotman | eldowan: to understand baseball :) |
| 04:03.41 | pyrohotdog | Nada. |
| 04:03.42 | eldowan | abrotman: I could be in japan |
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| 04:03.48 | mhiku | how can i install php? |
| 04:03.51 | stew | pyrohotdog: modprobe radeon, and restart x |
| 04:03.54 | abrotman | eldowan: but you're not |
| 04:03.54 | mhiku | i mean ffmpeg-php |
| 04:04.13 | abrotman | apt-cache search ffmpeg php |
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| 04:06.08 | eldowan | abrotman: how do you know that? |
| 04:06.28 | pyrohotdog | Glxinfo still says no direct rendering... |
| 04:06.30 | abrotman | eldowan: because you said so the other night |
| 04:06.41 | loca|host | eldowan, no way ? :) |
| 04:06.42 | eldowan | abrotman: I also said that the sky is falling... |
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| 04:06.50 | eldowan | loca|host: ?? |
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| 04:06.57 | abrotman | eldowan: you also smoke pot :) |
| 04:07.10 | gravity | In Japan. |
| 04:07.10 | pyrohotdog | abrotman: you say that like it's a bad thing. ;) |
| 04:07.20 | eldowan | abrotman: fair enough. |
| 04:07.21 | loca|host | :D |
| 04:07.27 | loca|host | my fan |
| 04:07.34 | loca|host | :'( |
| 04:07.36 | eldowan | loca|host: how did yo uget it working? |
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| 04:07.43 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: i did ? |
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| 04:08.12 | eldowan | abrotman: so what is your stance on the subject? |
| 04:08.21 | pyrohotdog | abrotman: I dunno, did you? |
| 04:08.23 | abrotman | which subject ? |
| 04:08.27 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: no |
| 04:08.34 | pyrohotdog | abrotman: good. lol |
| 04:08.34 | abrotman | pyrohotdog: just stating facts |
| 04:08.37 | eldowan | abrotman: pot smoking |
| 04:08.48 | abrotman | eldowan: done it .. don't do it anymore .. grew out of it |
| 04:08.49 | mhiku | how can i install ffmpeg-php in debian? |
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| 04:09.30 | eldowan | abrotman: again, fair enough |
| 04:09.58 | abrotman | eldowan: i'm just noting your conversation from OFTC the other night :) |
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| 04:10.23 | eldowan | abrotman: its all good. i've nothing to hide, if I did I wouldn't speak it in the public channel. :D |
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| 04:10.34 | abrotman | i'm just noting :) |
| 04:10.37 | eldowan | abrotman: on that note, I'm off work and headed home. enjoy the evening |
| 04:10.39 | ReinH | Ok, so apparently I need to set the CFLAG for postgresql 8.2.3 to find the readline lib |
| 04:10.44 | abrotman | eldowan: night :) |
| 04:10.47 | eldowan | abrotman: and I'm noting you're noting. |
| 04:10.50 | ReinH | Now, where is that readline lib? should I locate readline? |
| 04:11.02 | pyrohotdog | So. Direct rendering... ideas? |
| 04:11.07 | abrotman | turn it on! |
| 04:11.15 | pyrohotdog | Hmm...interesting. How? |
| 04:12.00 | abrotman | that'll lead you to using the nvidia driver :) |
| 04:12.18 | pyrohotdog | I'm a nvidia guy... |
| 04:13.05 | Daveman | Hello abrotmen |
| 04:13.19 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 04:13.23 | ReinH | guys? how do I find the location of the readline lib? |
| 04:13.37 | Daveman | :) |
| 04:13.55 | abrotman | apt-cache search lib readline |
| 04:14.19 | ReinH | ty |
| 04:14.35 | ReinH | no, I have it installed |
| 04:14.42 | ReinH | But postgresql can't find it when I install from source |
| 04:14.53 | abrotman | ReinH: and the -dev package ? |
| 04:15.16 | pyrohotdog | Anyone know how to enable direct rendering with an Radeon 9200.... |
| 04:15.29 | ReinH | do I want libreadline-dev or libreadline5-dev ? |
| 04:15.38 | ReinH | I imagine the former? |
| 04:15.38 | abrotman | both ? |
| 04:15.44 | Justin | pyrohotdog: read your X log |
| 04:15.52 | ReinH | sure, why not lol |
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| 04:16.13 | ReinH | sweet, that worked :) |
| 04:16.14 | ReinH | ty |
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| 04:18.07 | thirith | Guerin, |
| 04:18.13 | thirith | hi |
| 04:18.18 | thirith | Guerin, hi |
| 04:19.02 | pyrohotdog | How do I read my X log....*blush* |
| 04:19.11 | Justin | pyrohotdog: look in /var/log/ |
| 04:19.23 | mhiku | someone here have installed ffmpeg-php, can you pm me, or tell me how to install it? |
| 04:19.46 | Justin | mhiku: wtf is ffmpeg-php? |
| 04:20.25 | Strider22 | I have a broken gcc setup. How do I remove & replace it? |
| 04:20.26 | mhiku | is used for extracting some pictures through flv or movie files :) |
| 04:22.20 | Guerin | thirith: if someone doesn't answer, just ask your question of the whole channel |
| 04:22.32 | Guerin | thirith: most of us don't dedicate all our time to #debian |
| 04:22.34 | Guerin | except abrotman |
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| 04:22.45 | thirith | Guerin, ok |
| 04:22.52 | Guerin | mhiku: that sounds amazingly evil. What's it for? |
| 04:22.58 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:23.01 | Guerin | you just answered that |
| 04:23.06 | heh_v_water | http://ffmpeg-php.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 04:23.31 | Guerin | Strider22: aptitude purge build-essential |
| 04:24.29 | mhiku | LOL i ask the top channels in freenode and no one knows how to install ffmpeg-php |
| 04:25.03 | heh_v_water | mhiku, I just posted the site, it has a step by step at the bottom of the page, what more do you need? |
| 04:25.29 | heh_v_water | mhiku, you have to compile php from source in order to use it |
| 04:25.50 | mhiku | i mean, does it install? theres an error in it and google doest have it.. |
| 04:25.53 | concept10 | What is the /debootstrap for? Is this for the initial install only? |
| 04:26.23 | pyrohotdog | What am I searching the log file for ...? |
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| 04:26.55 | heh_v_water | mhiku, that would seem to be a question for their google discussion group, there's a link once again, on that page |
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| 04:49.16 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:53.56 | Azar | hello honorable stoned |
| 04:54.03 | kakalto | what kde package should enable slideshow view mode in konq? |
| 04:54.12 | stoned | hi Azar boy |
| 04:54.14 | stoned | how are ya |
| 04:54.14 | dpkg | stoned: eh, ok |
| 04:54.20 | stoned | wtf |
| 04:54.25 | Azar | almost asleep.. |
| 04:54.29 | stoned | I just woke up |
| 04:54.31 | stoned | its 10om |
| 04:54.33 | stoned | pm |
| 04:54.37 | stoned | 11 almost |
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| 04:54.41 | concept10 | I just woke up too |
| 04:54.44 | Azar | 9:55 pm here |
| 04:54.53 | concept10 | which sucks |
| 04:55.13 | concept10 | I fell asleep after catching the 'itis |
| 04:55.31 | stoned | huh? |
| 04:55.34 | stoned | hey man whats up |
| 04:55.40 | concept10 | nothing much |
| 04:55.42 | stoned | I went to bed at like 3pm |
| 04:55.51 | stoned | I dunno wtf is going on with me man |
| 04:55.59 | stoned | my entir sleep shcedule is fucked |
| 04:56.16 | Caelum | why does text jump up and down in gaim when you're typing? |
| 04:56.22 | Caelum | it's rather annoying |
| 04:56.28 | Guerin | it's because you're a no-good dope-smoking bum |
| 04:56.30 | Azar | stoned found you a dream job |
| 04:56.37 | stoned | yeah? |
| 04:56.47 | Guerin | get a job and clean your act up - maybe if you do you'll get to marry a nice med student or something |
| 04:56.59 | stoned | Guerin: thats not true |
| 04:57.01 | stoned | I'm no bum |
| 04:57.09 | Azar | stoned: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Accidental_Hire.aspx |
| 04:57.11 | stoned | I just am having a vacation before I move |
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| 04:57.48 | Guerin | ee, i can practically hear the whoosh as my deadline approaches |
| 04:58.19 | Azar | your deadline? |
| 04:58.21 | Caelum | weed is good, especially good in small amounts to increase creativity while hacking :) |
| 04:58.23 | Azar | let's hear it |
| 04:58.31 | Guerin | for my paper |
| 04:58.56 | Azar | some pesimist story ofcourse |
| 04:59.09 | Guerin | actually, the deadline already whooshed past on Wednesday - but the ultimate final get-it-in-by-this-day-or-it-don't-get-marked deadline is monday |
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| 04:59.51 | Azar | I love reading so I can't wait |
| 05:00.01 | Caelum | what's your paper on? |
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| 05:00.16 | Azar | "My wife's a geek" ? |
| 05:00.18 | Guerin | Caelum: indigenisation of political discourse |
| 05:00.52 | Azar | baby boomer topic |
| 05:01.03 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:01.07 | Rusty1 | Guerin: stop procrastinating, when you get around to it |
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| 05:01.35 | Azar | indigenous political discourse |
| 05:02.05 | Guerin | pinx: it's about how the MÄori party have changed the way politicians talk in the past year |
| 05:02.08 | Azar | hmmm that brings me a mental picture of a french boycott manifestation on the streets |
| 05:02.28 | pinx | Guerin: cool - nice one :D |
| 05:02.49 | concept10 | When preparing to compile a kernel and loading the config of the current kernel, does this old config take note of the patches of the old kernel? |
| 05:02.55 | Guerin | Rusty1: yeah, i procrastinate a lot |
| 05:03.02 | Azar | stoned did you liked the story? |
| 05:03.13 | stoned | Azar: I have not visited yet |
| 05:03.18 | stoned | I'm just still half sleepy |
| 05:03.25 | pinx | looks like a big word for things getting back to the natives ;-) |
| 05:03.26 | Azar | bah .. you should, is fun |
| 05:03.39 | stoned | I will |
| 05:03.54 | concept10 | stoned, have you moved yet? |
| 05:03.57 | Guerin | pinx: yeh, pretty much. I hate jargon, but there's no other way to really describe it |
| 05:03.58 | stoned | no |
| 05:04.03 | stoned | its been delayed by a week |
| 05:04.12 | stoned | I have now until the 17th to move out |
| 05:04.20 | pinx | Guerin: I had these made-up words |
| 05:04.23 | stoned | I have to sell my car so its gonna take a few days |
| 05:04.30 | stoned | gonna buy a new one in TX |
| 05:04.40 | Azar | Source Control System manager: mostly sat around all day, waiting for that occasional "I forgot my source control password" email. << job description |
| 05:04.46 | concept10 | dude im waiting on you to come down so I can take you out on the town and get you drunk |
| 05:05.06 | Guerin | concept10: he doesn't drink, he's a muslim! |
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| 05:05.15 | Guerin | concept10: and it's wrong of you to peer pressure him :) |
| 05:05.30 | Guerin | concept10: just think - because of you he might miss out on them virgins after he dies! |
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| 05:07.34 | troubled | Guerin: what about virgins while you die? :) |
| 05:07.43 | Azar | wtf? I only know there is True or False, there is no such program to use "Maybe" |
| 05:07.46 | Guerin | troubled: not much use just then, I'd figure. |
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| 05:07.59 | troubled | Guerin: ease the suffering perhaps? :) |
| 05:08.03 | Azar | ..or is? omg everything gets perverted nowadays |
| 05:08.14 | concept10 | Guerin, I didnt know that |
| 05:08.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:08.30 | Guerin | concept10: don't you dare buy him a single drink |
| 05:08.43 | pinx | Guerin: google indigenisation new zealand gives some interesting results |
| 05:08.49 | Guerin | concept10: no matter what he says |
| 05:08.52 | concept10 | i was j/k anyway |
| 05:09.19 | Guerin | pinx: yeah, it's a lot to read through |
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| 05:09.47 | Azar | hahahaha! http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Rarely_Just_TRUE_or_FALSE.aspx |
| 05:09.48 | kenock | if i have a webserver and a client on a wlan, can the client access the webserver? |
| 05:09.55 | pinx | Guerin: you want a couple of links pm'd? |
| 05:10.15 | Guerin | pinx: i already have *insane* amounts of material, but thanks anyhow |
| 05:10.26 | pinx | np :-) |
| 05:10.46 | concept10 | I have a new theme thats all dark brown and I love it |
| 05:11.10 | concept10 | no more boring grey windows |
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| 05:11.25 | qiyong | is there some threaded download tool? |
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| 05:11.53 | Guerin | qiyong: no, those things are fucking evil. Never use them. |
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| 05:12.30 | kenock | anyone uses webserver on a wlan? |
| 05:12.32 | troubled | kenock: why wouldnt it be able to? |
| 05:12.36 | deadcat | twisted`: whats the word on the install? |
| 05:12.59 | Guerin | kenock: once set up, a wlan is indistinguishable from any other network. |
| 05:13.10 | Guerin | kenock: tcp/ip is tcp/ip, anywhere. |
| 05:13.11 | qiyong | Guerin, windows users do that |
| 05:13.11 | troubled | kenock: wouldnt matter if you were using a toaster on a wan. if its got an IP you can connect to it |
| 05:13.22 | kenock | troubled: i couldn't get it to work. got timeout. |
| 05:13.28 | troubled | kenock: if you cant your a nub who cant configure his network |
| 05:13.31 | Guerin | qiyong: yes, and that's why windows users are hated and reviled by web and ftp-masters the universe over |
| 05:13.38 | Guerin | qiyong: read this: http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ |
| 05:13.47 | concept10 | I wonder how much hell it would be to make a LFS that's compatible with sid |
| 05:13.51 | stoned | troubled: shut the FUCK i[ |
| 05:13.53 | stoned | up* |
| 05:14.13 | stoned | troubled: you were also a 'nub' at one point |
| 05:14.13 | troubled | stoned: blow me goof |
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| 05:14.18 | stoned | so kindly |
| 05:14.20 | stoned | stfu. |
| 05:14.21 | skwashd | hi |
| 05:14.30 | kenock | troubled: i can ssh, i can rsync between the two machines. but i can't access the one which is a server fr the other. |
| 05:14.34 | troubled | stoned: dont you get all up in my face over a conversation your not a part of |
| 05:14.39 | qiyong | Guerin, but this is for our internal usage |
| 05:14.47 | skwashd | should it be possible to read a freebsd formetted CF card on debian? |
| 05:14.48 | stoned | troubled: once again, shut the fuck up. |
| 05:14.55 | Xenguy | my my |
| 05:14.58 | Guerin | qiyong: if it's internal, then you have a fast enough network for it to not be an issue. |
| 05:15.01 | skwashd | sorry ... on etch ... updated today |
| 05:15.02 | stoned | kenock: don't listen to that asshole putting you down man |
| 05:15.04 | concept10 | skwashd, welcome to the family channel |
| 05:15.05 | troubled | stoned: kiss my **** pedo |
| 05:15.06 | stoned | ignore that son of a bitch |
| 05:15.11 | qiyong | Guerin, i.e. we are both the server and the user |
| 05:15.18 | Guerin | childrens, childrens, play nice |
| 05:15.29 | kenock | stoned: thks. stone him. |
| 05:15.29 | qiyong | Guerin, no, it's in different countries |
| 05:15.31 | Azar | troubled: you got something with the nubs? |
| 05:15.39 | stoned | Azar: dude hes prick |
| 05:15.41 | skwashd | concept10: this is why i prefer debian over ubuntu ... people can be honest here :) |
| 05:15.45 | stoned | a+ |
| 05:15.47 | Azar | stoned: I can see |
| 05:15.54 | stoned | Azar: you can! omg! |
| 05:15.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:15.56 | Azar | how NOT NICE from him |
| 05:16.10 | troubled | stoned: dude? you can out of nowhere and started swearin your face off cause i said the word "nub" get the fuck lost |
| 05:16.14 | qiyong | Guerin, we have oversea offices |
| 05:16.15 | stoned | Azar: thought ou was going to sleep bro |
| 05:16.19 | concept10 | skwashd, I totally agree, I got banned from ubuntu the other day |
| 05:16.24 | troubled | stoned: see, f words make me sound cool like you |
| 05:16.25 | stoned | troubled: quit talking to me you |
| 05:16.30 | Azar | waiting for a lullaby |
| 05:16.30 | stoned | fucking.. human paraquat |
| 05:16.34 | kenock | troubled: you sound like a troubled soul. |
| 05:16.37 | troubled | stoned: then ignore you me goof |
| 05:16.45 | stoned | troubled: no. |
| 05:16.46 | Azar | haha |
| 05:16.52 | troubled | kenock: ignore him, channel's dedicate asshole |
| 05:16.55 | skwashd | concept10: i got banned on my second visit ... for talking about a spoof ad called "where the fucking hell are ya" ... was not impressed |
| 05:17.01 | Azar | forget me not |
| 05:17.24 | concept10 | skwashd, heh |
| 05:17.28 | stoned | heh |
| 05:17.29 | troubled | kenock: i think he must have been called a nub early in his childhood :) |
| 05:17.30 | kenock | troubled: i wud rather ignore you. |
| 05:17.35 | skwashd | anyway as fun as this discussion seems ... anyone got a clue about accessing freebsd CFs cards under etch? |
| 05:17.40 | stoned | oooh |
| 05:17.42 | stoned | BURN! |
| 05:17.42 | troubled | kenock: thats your choice :) have fun |
| 05:17.47 | stoned | in your fucking face |
| 05:17.49 | stoned | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 05:17.56 | kenock | troubled: and GFY. |
| 05:17.56 | skwashd | i keep on getting Error: Unable to open /dev/sdb - unrecognised disk label errors |
| 05:17.58 | concept10 | skwashd, depends on the filesystem |
| 05:18.12 | troubled | stoned: you are a class act |
| 05:18.24 | stoned | kenock: what problems you having man? |
| 05:18.43 | skwashd | concept10: i am not sure which it is using :( |
| 05:19.02 | qiyong | Guerin, so you have no words to say now |
| 05:19.03 | concept10 | skwashd, well, thats what you should be figuring out |
| 05:19.04 | stoned | concept10: guitarists.net has a few good tips on recording with clean tone (which sounds a lot better) however if I can figure out how to add effects like distortion/delay etc. with software in debian, that would be fantastic |
| 05:19.15 | skwashd | concept10: i know ... i am looking now |
| 05:19.17 | stoned | concept10: when I record clean tone, its very very clear.. VERY good quality recording |
| 05:19.21 | kenock | stoned: can't access a webserver fr a client, both in a wlan. |
| 05:19.31 | skwashd | fdisk and parted not working don't make it easy |
| 05:19.33 | stoned | kenock: check firewall rules? |
| 05:19.40 | concept10 | stoned, I hate to say it, but you should get you a working windows setup for music |
| 05:19.47 | stoned | kenock: is it just the webserver, can you ping the mahcine, how about ssh? |
| 05:19.59 | kenock | stoned: i can ping, ssh and rsync. |
| 05:19.59 | stoned | concept10: I'm on windows right now |
| 05:20.13 | concept10 | skwashd, parted should identify the fs |
| 05:20.14 | stoned | kenock: elaborate on client not being able to connect |
| 05:20.25 | Azar | kenock: I used to have two boxes hooked on the same router, I don't remember how I did but I blocked them to see each other. The oter was a windows machine and I thought my Debian linux gona puke seeing the windows box on the same router |
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| 05:20.40 | skwashd | concept10: nm ... the image was compressed ... but not named img.gz ... just img |
| 05:20.40 | concept10 | stoned, I havent made a tune in two weeks |
| 05:20.44 | skwashd | RTFM helps :) |
| 05:20.55 | concept10 | always |
| 05:20.57 | stoned | kenock: what server? and what error does the clinet give? have you checked server logs to see why the connection was not established? |
| 05:21.18 | Guerin | qiyong: no, i'm busy |
| 05:21.24 | stoned | Guerin: bullshit. |
| 05:21.34 | stoned | oh whoops, did I say that out loud |
| 05:21.35 | stoned | :D |
| 05:22.02 | concept10 | stoned, there are so many free multitrack recorders on windows - You should try Reaper, or eXT 1 or 2 |
| 05:22.11 | stoned | concept10: I have guitar pro 5 |
| 05:22.15 | stoned | :D |
| 05:22.19 | stoned | ok |
| 05:22.20 | concept10 | cakewalk? |
| 05:22.28 | stoned | cakewalk? |
| 05:22.45 | concept10 | guitar pro by cakewalk? |
| 05:22.50 | pinx | you guys are into music - what's the best way to record from old cassettes onto my HDD? |
| 05:22.51 | kenock | stoned: got timed out. what addr to use |
| 05:22.55 | stoned | concept10: recording isn't a problem.. its the effects adding |
| 05:23.02 | stoned | kenock: apache? |
| 05:23.18 | kenock | stoned: apache2 |
| 05:23.21 | krazykit | pinx, audio-in? |
| 05:23.32 | stoned | kenock: if it times out then either the server isn't running or its dropping packets |
| 05:23.45 | pinx | krazykit: what do you mean? |
| 05:23.58 | stoned | kenock: telnet to port 80 on your browser through the client |
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| 05:24.04 | concept10 | pinx, I wouldnt waste my time unless the audio material isnt avail anymore |
| 05:24.07 | stoned | kenock: or use netcat.. see whats going on |
| 05:24.13 | stoned | er.. |
| 05:24.16 | stoned | s/browser/server |
| 05:24.16 | skwashd | works now ... and thanks for the entertainment guys :) |
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| 05:24.43 | krazykit | pinx, get a tape player, connect a mini-to-mini from the output of the tape player to your mike jack. better if you have optical in/out stuff |
| 05:24.48 | pinx | concept10: it's original works - not available anywhere - I have the only recordings |
| 05:24.55 | deadcat | check this out: http://www.tildentobreakers.com/damn.txt |
| 05:25.44 | pinx | krazykit: optical in/out to/from a tape deck? |
| 05:25.44 | kenock | stoned: i have been trying it with no-ip. now i want to try it directly with the IP addr. which should i use? i have tried the local IP, it timedout. |
| 05:25.58 | concept10 | stoned, you dont have any virtual effects for your setup |
| 05:26.03 | concept10 | ? |
| 05:26.03 | krazykit | pinx, yes, if you can, that'd be ideal. |
| 05:26.09 | Guerin | pinx: deinitely from tape player to audio-in |
| 05:26.14 | stoned | nope concept10 |
| 05:26.24 | Guerin | pinx: do any noise-reduction in the player, since NR is fucking useless in software |
| 05:26.34 | Azar | damn I am laughing with tears at the wtf sample codes |
| 05:26.51 | concept10 | Guerin, it depends on which NR you are using |
| 05:26.54 | stoned | kenock: just the regular internal IP or whatever ip is given to the server |
| 05:26.57 | n3kl | I am trying to install xen. I follow the deps down until I get this: libxen-python: Depends: python (< 2.4) but 2.4.4-2 is to be installed |
| 05:26.59 | pinx | Guerin: ok -- I need to go and buy this kit |
| 05:27.00 | n3kl | Any ideas |
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| 05:27.05 | Guerin | concept10: i haven't found *any* in free software which are useful |
| 05:27.13 | Guerin | concept10: a noise gate is just a bit crude |
| 05:27.13 | stoned | kenock: what is your ISP? |
| 05:27.21 | concept10 | I wouldnt do noise reduction if you are recording to HDD, it reduces the dynamic range |
| 05:27.22 | stoned | kenock: make sure your ISP doesn't block port 80 |
| 05:27.28 | pinx | having plugged it into the audio - how does it get recorded onto the HDD? |
| 05:27.30 | Guerin | pinx: just use the best-quality tape-player and amp you can get |
| 05:27.37 | stoned | kenock: or run apache on a different non-standard port |
| 05:27.38 | Azar | n3kl: try to use "aptitude" when you install packages (it automatically brings in the relatives as well) |
| 05:27.39 | Guerin | pinx: and do several test-runs to get the levels right |
| 05:27.47 | pinx | I need an amp as well? |
| 05:27.50 | concept10 | Guerin, have you used any LADSPA effects? |
| 05:27.55 | pinx | :-( |
| 05:28.12 | kenock | stoned: i need to read up further. thks for all the suggestion. bye. |
| 05:28.20 | Guerin | concept10: i have some, but couldn't find any good NR in those either |
| 05:28.24 | Guerin | thoguh this was a while ago |
| 05:28.43 | concept10 | You just have to find a good bundle |
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| 05:28.49 | concept10 | !info swh-plugins |
| 05:28.54 | stoned | hey |
| 05:28.57 | dpkg | swh-plugins: (Steve Harris's LADSPA plugins), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.4.14-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 458 kB, Installed size: 1688 kB |
| 05:28.59 | stoned | concept10: sorry I missed it |
| 05:29.03 | Guerin | (my wife's postgrad research involved recording and transcribing a lot of conversations in noisy bars, where 1-10 drunk people would be talking at once) |
| 05:29.04 | stoned | concept10: what city you are in? |
| 05:29.12 | Guerin | concept10: hm, ok. |
| 05:29.15 | n3kl | Azar: huh, it worked, thanks |
| 05:29.26 | concept10 | stoned, dallas |
| 05:29.29 | stoned | concept10: I'm on my way to houston |
| 05:29.31 | stoned | far from dallas |
| 05:29.34 | Xenguy | Guerin: now that's post-grad research :-D |
| 05:29.36 | stoned | how* |
| 05:29.40 | concept10 | stoned, 3 hrs |
| 05:29.57 | Guerin | Xenguy: yeah, it was great. unfortunately unfunded. |
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| 05:30.04 | stoned | I would go to dallas and can come visit you |
| 05:30.09 | pinx | Guerin: these recordings include lots of music in bars ;-) |
| 05:30.09 | stoned | I'll buy the pot |
| 05:30.13 | stoned | you buy the alcohol |
| 05:30.14 | Xenguy | Guerin: the fringe benefits more than compensate :-) |
| 05:30.15 | stoned | :D |
| 05:30.21 | Azar | I got an antique for my collection!! http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200611/1982_0102_issue2.gif |
| 05:30.24 | Guerin | stoned: think of the virgins! |
| 05:30.27 | concept10 | stoned, I dont smoke |
| 05:30.31 | stoned | fuck the virgins |
| 05:30.34 | Azar | I smoke |
| 05:30.35 | Xenguy | hah |
| 05:30.39 | stoned | Guerin: and wtf you callin me muslim for you tool |
| 05:30.42 | stoned | I hate you Guerin :( |
| 05:30.44 | concept10 | heh |
| 05:30.46 | Guerin | hehe |
| 05:30.51 | Guerin | took you a while |
| 05:30.52 | Azar | stoned loves good cooking girls |
| 05:31.01 | stoned | just scorlled up |
| 05:31.07 | stoned | good cooking girls yes |
| 05:31.12 | stoned | fuck looks |
| 05:31.14 | stoned | feed me goddamit |
| 05:31.23 | n3kl | is xen cool? |
| 05:31.29 | stoned | xen is the shit |
| 05:31.31 | concept10 | n3kl, cool as a fan |
| 05:32.02 | n3kl | what about booting the kernel, does it modules everything? |
| 05:32.12 | Azar | "Brandon strapped on his seatbelt and braced himself. He was prepared for return ... |
| 05:32.14 | concept10 | I used xen to run linux on top of linux on top of linux on top of c=64 |
| 05:32.16 | n3kl | so, just boot it and install nvidia drivers and vwala |
| 05:32.22 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.22 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.25 | Azar | } |
| 05:32.28 | pinx | !tell pinx about audio |
| 05:32.29 | Azar | :) |
| 05:32.33 | stoned | concept10: put on a helmet and lie down |
| 05:32.34 | stoned | lol |
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| 05:32.41 | stoned | before you blow something up |
| 05:32.45 | concept10 | heh |
| 05:32.55 | Xenguy | Does xen run that other OS these days? |
| 05:33.03 | Guerin | Xenguy: why don't you know? |
| 05:33.09 | stoned | thats what I'm wondering |
| 05:33.10 | Guerin | change your nick immediately! |
| 05:33.12 | n3kl | Xenguy: you should know, Xenguy |
| 05:33.12 | Xenguy | Guerin: I wouldn't try =) |
| 05:33.20 | Azar | Xenguy: may I ask you an intimate question? |
| 05:33.22 | stoned | thats a misleading nickname |
| 05:33.25 | pinx | !tell stoned about stoned |
| 05:33.26 | stoned | Azar: dude |
| 05:33.32 | Azar | :) |
| 05:33.34 | stoned | !stoned |
| 05:33.46 | stoned | we kow the stoend factoid |
| 05:33.50 | Azar | Xenguy: did your nick was originally "xenic" ? |
| 05:33.53 | stoned | your point? |
| 05:33.54 | stoned | pnx |
| 05:33.54 | concept10 | pinx, just get you a piece of software that records like sweep or audacity and go at it |
| 05:33.56 | stoned | er.. pinx |
| 05:33.57 | stoned | :D |
| 05:34.16 | pinx | concept10: ok - thanks |
| 05:34.18 | Azar | Xenguy: ok, I give up I won't ask you this again |
| 05:34.19 | Xenguy | Azar: nah |
| 05:34.21 | stoned | concept10: my sweeping is getting better and better |
| 05:34.28 | pinx | stoned: ;-) |
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| 05:34.49 | stoned | concept10: I started with 3 string sweeps.. now I can do 6 string sweeps with at least 3-4 strings having two notes |
| 05:35.01 | stoned | concept10: in time, with the beat.. I can't help it man |
| 05:35.03 | stoned | I can't stop it |
| 05:35.06 | stoned | the more I play, the better I get |
| 05:35.10 | stoned | its like... damn. |
| 05:35.12 | concept10 | stoned, does that host (guitar pro?) have VST capabilities? |
| 05:35.12 | stoned | you know? |
| 05:35.20 | stoned | concept10: I should think so |
| 05:35.20 | n3kl | what package do I need to install for mkinitrd? |
| 05:35.40 | concept10 | stoned, then goto kvraudio.com and get some free vsts |
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| 05:36.04 | magyar | is there a way to flush a caching DNS server or to check where it puuls it's records for a certain host? |
| 05:36.04 | Guerin | !sed cheats |
| 05:36.04 | dpkg | from memory, sed cheats is see http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line52.txt |
| 05:36.17 | Guerin | magyar: #dns |
| 05:36.20 | concept10 | stoned, and let me know if you need, umm.. cough, additional sources |
| 05:36.28 | stoned | heh ok |
| 05:37.01 | Azar | mwahahahahahaha!!! if b=b then b=true end if |
| 05:37.23 | stoned | concept10: yeah the recording isn't a problem.. its adding effects.. Guitar Pro 5 is a songwriting software. You can't record with it, I don't think, but you can write tabs and ajust time signatures and add drum loops to make tabs for songs |
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| 05:37.36 | stoned | concept10: its like powertab only 50x more better. |
| 05:37.39 | stoned | 'more better' |
| 05:38.39 | troubled | magyar: restart it should clear the cache on a dns server unless your periodically saving the zone info to seed the cache on startup somehow i would think. not sure about which server answered the request though. |
| 05:39.17 | concept10 | stoned, if I were you, I would get some free trackers, free VSTs and go at it. Just make sure you grab ASIO4ALL drivers, to improve your latency |
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| 05:39.33 | magyar | troubled: i did a restart but i still get a wrong responce from root dns |
| 05:39.41 | stoned | concept10: its the realtek HD audio codec on ICH8R |
| 05:39.43 | stoned | chipset |
| 05:39.52 | stoned | 965P s3 motherboard by gigabyte |
| 05:40.15 | stoned | concept10: would i get less latency with a dedicated sound card? |
| 05:40.28 | concept10 | stoned, yes, but it all depends on the drivers |
| 05:40.40 | stoned | goddamn drivers |
| 05:40.45 | troubled | magyar: you queried one of the root servers and got a incorrect iP for something you know to be otherwise using like dig @? |
| 05:40.49 | stoned | I used to have drivers when I was a child |
| 05:40.51 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:41.10 | stoned | 3 cars and 3 drivers.. one for my dad, one for my mom, and one for kids |
| 05:41.22 | concept10 | ah... rich |
| 05:41.28 | stoned | it was great.. my driver used to get me drugs in pakistan |
| 05:41.29 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:41.33 | stoned | it was awesome |
| 05:41.36 | Azar | lol |
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| 05:42.03 | stoned | Azar: my folks have only 1 driver here in the states, part time |
| 05:42.12 | stoned | Azar: in paki land labor is sooo cheap |
| 05:42.27 | stoned | Azar: we have like many servers and maids running around the house there |
| 05:42.35 | stoned | they have thier own servernt quarters etc. |
| 05:42.50 | stoned | I personally prefer people waiting on me |
| 05:42.55 | stoned | I'm just spoiled |
| 05:42.56 | Dewi | ... |
| 05:43.13 | concept10 | stoned, how different is pakistan from a place like the UAE? |
| 05:43.21 | stoned | Azar: vastly different |
| 05:43.29 | stoned | UAE... evil place |
| 05:43.39 | stoned | I don't much care for arabs, though I am one |
| 05:43.41 | stoned | funny huh |
| 05:43.51 | stoned | pakistan is more better |
| 05:43.54 | stoned | more freedom |
| 05:44.06 | concept10 | more than the UAE? |
| 05:44.09 | stoned | yeah |
| 05:44.18 | stoned | well I don't know |
| 05:44.31 | stoned | I lived in jordan/amman for a number of years as a child |
| 05:44.39 | stoned | then I lived in pakitan from 17-21 years of age |
| 05:44.47 | stoned | so I guess I don't have anything to compare to |
| 05:44.53 | stoned | I like pakistan better |
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| 05:45.20 | Azar | hey stoned: you owe me: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200612/pup/overdue.gif |
| 05:45.20 | concept10 | Ive been to UAE many times and Saudi once, I was scared |
| 05:45.20 | stoned | ok ok |
| 05:45.20 | R_Su | hi all, any 1 can help with pptpd setup, been stucked for 1 day, help |
| 05:45.38 | Azar | I don't know much about that region of the world, but I like camels |
| 05:45.43 | concept10 | heh |
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| 05:46.09 | stoned | lol |
| 05:46.14 | concept10 | I personally dont like the middle east, only because its too damned hot |
| 05:46.37 | stoned | concept10: I don't like it cuz I'm mouthy when I'm stoned and I give less than two shits about who hears me |
| 05:46.48 | stoned | so.. it is dangerous for me in mid east |
| 05:46.51 | haggz | that was fun, just compiled and installed 2.6.20 into my Sid partition -- lost some networking functionality though but probably wont be hard to fix. |
| 05:47.04 | stoned | haggz: great |
| 05:47.34 | Azar | so how is 2.6.20 better than 2.6.19? |
| 05:47.42 | haggz | azar: more stable kvm basically |
| 05:48.10 | Azar | ah cool so pare numbers like .18 and .20 are better than .17 and .19 ? |
| 05:48.27 | haggz | azar: yeah its stable-unstable-stable-unstable cycle |
| 05:48.37 | Azar | nice |
| 05:48.50 | Azar | hey you know, Id propose that Etch waits for the 2.6.20 |
| 05:49.06 | Azar | I mean what's two months more? or three? |
| 05:49.11 | Tallu | no remote bluetooth exploits when it comes to laptops either |
| 05:49.29 | concept10 | I want to compile a kernel but I have a question |
| 05:49.48 | Xenguy | oh for fucks sake take the vista fanboy crap someplace else |
| 05:49.55 | Xenguy | gah |
| 05:50.04 | Azar | Xenguy: who? let's shoot him |
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| 05:50.09 | concept10 | When you load the .config from your current kernel, does it take into account the patches on the current kernel? |
| 05:50.12 | Tallu | Xenguy: eh? |
| 05:50.20 | Xenguy | Azar: there's a lynch mob assembled already :-) |
| 05:50.22 | Xenguy | ww |
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| 05:50.57 | pinx | what should I have in /etc/apt/sources.list for xfce on sarge? |
| 05:51.08 | troubled | concept10: .config is just a file full of variables, if one isnt avilable that something patched looks for, its marked "new" and would stop on a make oldconfig |
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| 05:51.32 | Xenguy | stoned: fed up I'd say |
| 05:51.37 | stoned | who |
| 05:51.37 | stoned | ? |
| 05:51.39 | stoned | huh? |
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| 05:51.45 | troubled | concept10: if its not set, it would assume a default if you were to say just compile |
| 05:52.00 | magyar | troubled: "l.gtld-servers.net" is fucking me over |
| 05:52.05 | stoned | why? |
| 05:52.12 | troubled | magyar: 1? |
| 05:52.24 | stoned | !spank Xenguy |
| 05:52.27 | concept10 | im trying to make a decision, should I make music or go shoot up some people |
| 05:52.31 | troubled | magyar: or that an l? sorry, poor font |
| 05:52.32 | stoned | goddamn bot |
| 05:52.42 | stoned | concept10: make music |
| 05:52.44 | magyar | L |
| 05:52.48 | magyar | small |
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| 05:53.04 | Xenguy | stoned: there's no way I'm going to take that - you realize this :P |
| 05:53.26 | stoned | Xenguy: dpkg is a hot chic |
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| 05:53.35 | stoned | Xenguy: I'm sure you'll like to get spanked by her |
| 05:53.36 | troubled | magyar: ah thats better, sorry :) so all the other root servers report a proper ip cept L? |
| 05:53.41 | magyar | troubled: any clue how can i fix it? |
| 05:53.54 | Xenguy | stoned: that's a different story =) |
| 05:53.56 | magyar | troubled: yeap |
| 05:54.27 | magyar | troubled: "Mismatched glue" |
| 05:54.49 | troubled | magyar: well, if your querin it direct and its wrong between diff root servers, i would think somethings wrong. this for a domain you run? |
| 05:55.11 | troubled | magyar: whats the domain? |
| 05:55.20 | magyar | troubled: yeap (pssnet.com) |
| 05:55.35 | troubled | magyar: what should it be? |
| 05:55.42 | troubled | !dns pssnet.com |
| 05:55.50 | magyar | i did |
| 05:55.58 | troubled | anyone know of dpkg cmd for that? |
| 05:56.54 | troubled | magyar: ontario huh? |
| 05:57.06 | troubled | magyar: anyways, whats the ip supposed to be? |
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| 05:57.41 | RickyBobby | !listkeys dns |
| 05:57.42 | magyar | troubled: 216.123.169.254 |
| 05:57.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dns' by key (15 of 40): #debian !pdnsd ;; _default " dns ;; _default "dns ;; _default djbdns ;; _default dns ;; _default dynamic dns ;; dns ;; dns masquerade ;; dns wwf.com ;; dns-warez-crew ;; dynamic dns ;; ldapdns ;; maradns ;; pdnsd ;; public dns. |
| 05:58.00 | RickyBobby | !dns |
| 05:58.11 | magyar | troubled: home sweet home |
| 05:58.17 | magyar | brrrrrr |
| 05:58.24 | RickyBobby | !dns google.com |
| 05:58.25 | troubled | magyar: well, thats not the ip i get either |
| 05:58.43 | RickyBobby | yeh for some reason.. it dont' work |
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| 05:58.55 | RickyBobby | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.56 | RickyBobby | dpkg(n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg)] Usage: dns <host|ip> |
| 05:59.09 | troubled | magyar: 212.126.78.132 |
| 05:59.12 | magyar | troubled: that no good |
| 05:59.16 | troubled | RickyBobby: was wonderin |
| 05:59.17 | RickyBobby | troubled: you can always just use something else |
| 05:59.31 | RickyBobby | if you ping the hostname, it will resove it |
| 05:59.34 | magyar | troubled: one of my DNS servers |
| 05:59.36 | troubled | RickyBobby: ya, just was easier than switchin screens :) |
| 05:59.42 | RickyBobby | word |
| 05:59.51 | magyar | troubled: 216.126.78.132 |
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| 06:11.39 | RickyBobby | http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=dns&term=key |
| 06:14.06 | RickyBobby | btw, this is my favorite way o search factoids by dpkg |
| 06:14.27 | RickyBobby | no tonly doyou get the key, but you get the key's value too |
| 06:14.49 | Guerin | nifty |
| 06:15.36 | Guerin | !search dpkg |
| 06:16.01 | RickyBobby | stew is a good man |
| 06:18.37 | Guerin | dpkg, search dpkg is <reply> Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=dns&term=key! |
| 06:19.08 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:20.21 | RickyBobby | !search dpkg |
| 06:20.21 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=dns&term=key! |
| 06:21.02 | RickyBobby | dude |
| 06:21.02 | Guerin | i don't know where your car is |
| 06:21.18 | RickyBobby | q=dns |
| 06:21.18 | RickyBobby | ? |
| 06:21.35 | RickyBobby | dpkg remove search dpkg |
| 06:21.51 | Guerin | h, duh |
| 06:22.07 | RickyBobby | no |
| 06:22.21 | Guerin | i can fix0r |
| 06:22.36 | RickyBobby | just dpkg.vireo.org |
| 06:22.54 | RickyBobby | search.php |
| 06:22.54 | Guerin | dpkg, no, search dpkg is <reply> Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org! |
| 06:23.12 | RickyBobby | http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 06:23.32 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 06:46.31 | RickyBobby | godo man |
| 06:46.32 | liable | fussy |
| 06:46.32 | RickyBobby | good man Guerin |
| 06:46.32 | RickyBobby | wait |
| 06:46.32 | RickyBobby | not good man |
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| 06:46.32 | RickyBobby | dpkg no, search dpkg is <reply> Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 06:46.32 | dpkg | okay, RickyBobby |
| 06:46.32 | troubled | magyar: prolly have to talk to whoever runs dns on primary.pssnet.com and the other authorative ns's. they are reporting the same thing too |
| 06:46.33 | troubled | magyar: secondary.pssnet.com is the only one pointing at that ip atm |
| 06:46.33 | liable | hrm, i chose a 105 keyboard, and now my xmodmap file isnt being loaded.. |
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| 06:46.34 | stoned | liable: why did you do that |
| 06:46.34 | troubled | magyar: nothing wrong with the root servers, just your dns (whoever controls it needs to change the A records and other stuff) |
| 06:46.34 | liable | why is it so? |
| 06:46.34 | stoned | liable: you have a 105 key kb |
| 06:46.34 | liable | stoned: i was fucking around with super key |
| 06:46.34 | stoned | ah |
| 06:46.35 | stoned | you can map that on a 104 key kb no? |
| 06:46.36 | liable | i dont even know if i have a 105 keyboard.. |
| 06:46.36 | stoned | yeah you can |
| 06:46.37 | liable | i had 101 set, i dont see why the fuck its stopping my xmodmap file being read at login though, it works if i call it afterward |
| 06:46.37 | stoned | strange |
| 06:46.38 | liable | yerp |
| 06:46.38 | stoned | liable: do you have big fingers |
| 06:46.39 | liable | no, i am a short ass, with ordinary fingers |
| 06:46.39 | stoned | oh |
| 06:46.39 | stoned | just wondering |
| 06:46.39 | stoned | you hit e and r at the same time |
| 06:46.40 | stoned | :D |
| 06:46.40 | liable | i cant type :) |
| 06:46.40 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:46.40 | liable | i meant to write yerp btw :P |
| 06:46.41 | stoned | right |
| 06:46.41 | stoned | lol |
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| 06:47.02 | magyar | troubled: i run them, but they are replying with the correct ip address |
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| 06:47.04 | troubled | magyar: you have a dns server setup on that box which might have its own idea of what the dns should be? |
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| 06:47.07 | magyar | troubled: yes |
| 06:47.07 | magyar | that mashine is a backup dns |
| 06:47.07 | troubled | magyar: might wanna start with that box |
| 06:47.08 | magyar | machine |
| 06:47.08 | magyar | it resolves ok |
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| 06:47.09 | magyar | dig secondary.pssnet.com @ 216.123.169.254 works ok |
| 06:47.09 | troubled | and what about the others? |
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| 06:47.10 | magyar | which should be its ip address |
| 06:47.10 | magyar | troubled: all resolve perfect |
| 06:47.11 | magyar | if you resolve against any of my DNS servers they work flawless |
| 06:47.13 | aadil_ | hi |
| 06:47.13 | stoned | im sleepy |
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| 06:47.14 | aadil_ | how do i get the version of a currently installed software via apt? |
| 06:47.14 | stoned | aadil_: hi |
| 06:47.14 | troubled | magyar: still isnt resolving properly then. wait til ttl is up i guess :) |
| 06:47.14 | aadil_ | :) |
| 06:47.14 | stoned | aadil_: dpkg -l pkgname |
| 06:47.14 | magyar | troubled: its been a week now |
| 06:47.15 | stoned | aadil_: i think |
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| 06:47.16 | aadil_ | stoned, thanks it worked |
| 06:47.16 | aadil_ | ^^)b |
| 06:47.16 | Azar | wow.. "Things reached such a stage last year that some Debian developers turned up at a conference wearing T-shirts which said "F... Ubuntu." http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/9398/1090/1/1/ |
| 06:47.17 | magyar | old news |
| 06:47.17 | Azar | news to me and shed a light on how Ubuntu project has poisoned some people |
| 06:47.18 | peterS | yeah are they talking about the conference in summer 2006 or the one in summer 2005? I think it could've been either one |
| 06:47.19 | stoned | Azar: hey cool link |
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| 06:47.20 | Azar | peterS: I guess was the 2006 |
| 06:47.21 | stoned | mmm beer |
| 06:47.21 | Azar | tho the guy say that they take from Debian and give almost nothing back.. ? what could they give? |
| 06:47.21 | peterS | Azar: I was there and I don't remember those shirts - though I did hear about them. so I'm not sure anyone wore them for very long. |
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| 06:47.21 | xenome | anyone know a good place to ask gcc questions besides #gcc? |
| 06:47.21 | peterS | what do you mean, what could they give? same thing they take - patches, development effort |
| 06:47.22 | stoned | Basically, the Debian folk think that Ubuntu takes a lot from their project and gives very little back. Things reached such a stage last year that some Debian developers turned up at a conference wearing T-shirts which said "F... Ubuntu." |
| 06:47.22 | Guerin | which by and large, they do |
| 06:47.22 | stoned | wow |
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| 06:47.23 | Azar | peterS: I would assume that someone from the Debian reps could have convinced them to be discreete. The entire story behind the scene has been elegantly kept under the rugs. |
| 06:47.23 | liable | not really |
| 06:47.24 | peterS | Azar: I dunno, it's not much of a secret if you follow debian developer politics. if you don't ... well, CNN doesn't tend to cover stuff like this |
| 06:47.24 | Azar | peterS: I ment that they might not be able to give the quality work that Debian community commits |
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| 06:47.24 | peterS | Azar: in some cases it is the _same people_ doing Debian and Ubuntu work, and they don't contribute their Ubuntu work back to Debian in cases where it applies. that seems pretty bizarre, but it does happen |
| 06:47.24 | Azar | peterS: I am watching but with fear: I would hate to feel that the community breaks |
| 06:47.24 | DimmuR | morning |
| 06:47.25 | Azar | peterS: maybe such people feel that they should not work for free... |
| 06:47.25 | Guerin | the problem is really over *where* the code is - it's all free software, so it's all available, the problem is that the work to put it in *debian* sometimes isn't done |
| 06:47.26 | Azar | which pops me the question: is a voluntary hobby or a job? |
| 06:47.26 | Guerin | Azar: depends how you define either |
| 06:47.27 | peterS | Azar: indeed, they are working for Canonical. and Canonical does not necessarily encourage them to integrate their stuff back into Debian while on the clock. you can see that this would make people grumble. |
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| 06:47.28 | D0C_ | whats the correct way to remove a module permanently? (sata_mv) |
| 06:47.28 | Azar | guys I just hope Ubuntu marries Fedora or whatever OS is that and departs Debian. It seems that it did not do Debian any good to have such a relative |
| 06:47.30 | Azar | shortly Ubuntu will be nothing more than Windows#2 |
| 06:47.30 | peterS | I've had mixed experiences working with ubuntu packagers. I don't think they've ever tried to push their patches to me, when I take the trouble to track down their patches I usually do integrate them. in one case, I was trying to get expert help with an issue for 6 months then I noticed that it had already been done, quietly, in the ubuntu version of my package. nice of them to tell me! |
| 06:47.32 | stew | i should probably see what if any patches ubuntu has added to my packages |
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| 06:47.32 | Azar | peterS: you know, I guess they wanted to "steal" Debian users to their OS which in a way, I consider ok, since Debian does not "market compete" with anyone and release the user pressure to faster releases. |
| 06:47.32 | peterS | stew: at least packages.qa.debian.org/srcpkgname has links to ubuntu diffs, so it isn't that hard to track them down |
| 06:47.33 | stew | yeah |
| 06:47.33 | peterS | Azar: oh I know what they want, they want to create a distribution that will appeal to a lot of people, and they want to do it as easily as possible, which means starting with something like debian where most of their work has already been done. that's fine. |
| 06:47.33 | Supaplex | How can I allow dhcp to set the hostname of a workstation? Is it strictly a workstation setting, server side, or both? |
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| 06:47.35 | peterS | Supaplex: I think it's both, but I don't believe Debian dhcp clients have support for changing the client hostname from DHCP |
| 06:47.36 | stew | Supaplex: if its possible, it would probably require some altering of the /etc/dhclient-script |
| 06:47.36 | peterS | a host's own opinion of its hostname only matters in a few places anyway, though. usually what people care about is what the DNS thinks |
| 06:47.37 | Azar | the PL election is nearing, hopefully the next PL elect leader will not take example from the Canonical corporation. |
| 06:47.38 | Supaplex | I just wanted to centeralize it a little more is all. |
| 06:47.38 | Azar | hopefully by that time, Ubuntu will be long departed from Debian |
| 06:47.38 | peterS | it won't |
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| 06:47.41 | Azar | well good night honorables.. :) |
| 06:47.44 | Supaplex | I don't see that it matters how close they are to debian. As long as they're using apt, and mimmic us to a certian degree, it's just their take on things. The only differences are what defines each of us as a distro, and what patches we're retaining until upstream accepts them. (apt is a biggie to, but well duh). |
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| 06:53.02 | insta | what's it mean when the kernel is able to boot, but very shortly thereafter, it segfaults with stuff about "page_fault"? this is a different (older) motherboard/proc than was in there previously. I'm running an athlon on the 2.6.18-k7 kernel with a single 128mb stick of ram |
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| 06:53.51 | Supaplex | I'm using interfaces(5) for a bridge. How do I set the bridges' mac address to clone eth0? |
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| 06:57.42 | starz | sup all |
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| 06:57.56 | starz | hey anyone know of an equivalent solution to exchange? |
| 06:59.12 | Supaplex | no, but if you describe what the replacement has to do, maybe |
| 06:59.18 | starz | mm |
| 06:59.37 | starz | remote outlooks must be able to share contacts; pop; rpc over http |
| 06:59.39 | Supaplex | thankfully I've never touched that animal. |
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| 06:59.54 | starz | lol |
| 07:00.01 | Supaplex | humm |
| 07:00.13 | starz | got a friend that seems to love setting up servers with windows2k3 |
| 07:00.19 | starz | which tho it was the best version.... |
| 07:00.35 | Supaplex | I'd hunt down that linux exchange connector thingie |
| 07:00.42 | starz | well it amounts to someone who is gonna have an os with a lot of downtime comparitively speaking due to updates and restarts if nothing else |
| 07:00.44 | Supaplex | see if they have any resources |
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| 07:01.57 | starz | he's got the exchange server on the server.. |
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| 07:02.03 | starz | looking around at stuff tho |
| 07:02.54 | insta | starz: try Citadel, zimbra, or Open-Xchange |
| 07:03.37 | starz | thanx insta :) |
| 07:03.54 | insta | just a google query *shrug* |
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| 07:12.46 | muhoo | are there any video editors in debian which suck less than avidemux? |
| 07:13.00 | muhoo | i.e. something like maybe kino, but which works with other formats besides just DV? |
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| 07:20.40 | liable | !tell [Big]Endian -about root |
| 07:21.08 | insta | I!tell insta -about root |
| 07:21.12 | insta | !tell insta -about root |
| 07:21.25 | liable | !tell insta about selftell |
| 07:21.31 | lowkey | !tell lowkey a story |
| 07:21.54 | lowkey | lol |
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| 07:22.04 | Pietro | hello |
| 07:22.25 | PietroGiovanni | better |
| 07:22.29 | insta | alright that bot rules |
| 07:23.08 | PietroGiovanni | question: how can i get write permission on a fat32 mounted partition's files (to edit mp3 tags) |
| 07:23.38 | Replico | is there software for linux that will change the partition structure like partition magic on windows? |
| 07:23.40 | liable | PietroGiovanni: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 07:24.08 | liable | i just have umask=000 on mine if they are on my box |
| 07:24.09 | PietroGiovanni | that will grant me write permission on the files inside that part? |
| 07:24.31 | liable | Replico: qtparted / gparted / parted |
| 07:24.59 | Replico | thanks |
| 07:25.01 | PietroGiovanni | ooh |
| 07:25.12 | PietroGiovanni | theese bots rule very hard |
| 07:25.24 | PietroGiovanni | good boy |
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| 07:26.39 | Co_19_Seneng_ML | everybody.... |
| 07:26.45 | Co_19_Seneng_ML | can help me.../ |
| 07:27.23 | NewBie_Sniffer | can help me...? |
| 07:27.50 | insta | just ask it, NewBie_Sniffer |
| 07:28.13 | liable | !ask |
| 07:28.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 07:28.28 | NewBie_Sniffer | i want to snif server on my office to get username and password |
| 07:28.43 | NewBie_Sniffer | so, what i can doing..? |
| 07:29.00 | insta | no, bad newbie |
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| 07:29.23 | NewBie_Sniffer | why bad? |
| 07:29.45 | NewBie_Sniffer | i'm IT Network on my Office |
| 07:30.08 | hark | so? |
| 07:30.09 | insta | my mistake then |
| 07:30.14 | NewBie_Sniffer | yes? |
| 07:31.16 | NewBie_Sniffer | on my cisco router is changed by other, and i can login on ciscorouter. |
| 07:31.33 | NewBie_Sniffer | i want to sniff to get username and password.. |
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| 07:34.44 | Guerin | NewBie_Sniffer: go and ask the person who changed it |
| 07:35.13 | Guerin | NewBie_Sniffer: if you are their superior and they won't give it you, complain to the management. If not, there's fuck-all you can do. |
| 07:35.34 | insta | Guerin: better answer :) |
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| 07:37.14 | NewBie_Sniffer | what?!! |
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| 07:38.54 | PietroGiovanni | liable: defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0 <== can i ommit the "gid" section? |
| 07:38.55 | Guerin | NewBie_Sniffer: what's unclear? If you are entitled to the password, you'll get it one way or another. If not, you won't. This is How It Should Be. |
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| 07:39.21 | Techdeck_ | Hello, I want to run a crontab that will upgrade the system daily (apt-get upgrade), I know there's the -y option for apt-get, but what will happen if it'll display some dialog? will it still go through? |
| 07:39.30 | peterS | Guerin: almost makes you think he _wasn't_ the IT guy at his office.. |
| 07:39.33 | Guerin | Techdeck_: use auto-apt |
| 07:39.46 | Techdeck_ | Guerin, thank you! |
| 07:39.49 | Techdeck_ | I will check that out |
| 07:39.51 | Guerin | peterS: the only thing he has in his favour is that his IP address ends in .1 |
| 07:39.54 | liable | PietroGiovanni: i usually just use umask=000, but some considor it a security risk of course, depends on your situation, but sure, you can omitt it, man mount |
| 07:40.08 | Guerin | peterS: for whatever that's worth |
| 07:40.13 | peterS | heh |
| 07:40.15 | Supaplex | yay session mgmnt. (was How do I get X happy again after the hostname changes while it's running?) |
| 07:40.26 | PietroGiovanni | the mount section is already in fstab, i just dont want to grant permission to any groups... |
| 07:40.47 | earthian | hello, is there a way to restart everything (maybe except kernel and networking) and not break internet connection? If yes is there a somple way? if yes what? if no how do I proceed or where do I read about it? |
| 07:41.00 | PietroGiovanni | ill have to mount again or reboot? |
| 07:41.13 | Guerin | PietroGiovanni: if you want to deny access to any groups and other users, use 077 umask |
| 07:41.22 | Guerin | don't reboot |
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| 07:41.40 | PietroGiovanni | how to make changes take place then? |
| 07:41.58 | insta | earthian: internet connection to what? |
| 07:41.59 | Guerin | earthian: telinit 1; telinit 2 |
| 07:42.04 | liable | remount |
| 07:42.13 | Guerin | earthian: this will kill anything which is already running |
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| 07:42.19 | PietroGiovanni | i dont want to deny access, just want to enable my account to write the files inside |
| 07:42.21 | PietroGiovanni | ok |
| 07:42.33 | earthian | insta, i am on a dsl .. |
| 07:42.51 | earthian | Guerin, but that will kill also ppd |
| 07:42.53 | earthian | pppd* |
| 07:42.53 | insta | so you've got pppoe services running? |
| 07:42.58 | earthian | yes |
| 07:43.13 | liable | earthian: what is the actual problem? |
| 07:43.15 | insta | restart services manually? |
| 07:43.17 | earthian | i want to keep them running, maybe apache and postfix/courier too... |
| 07:43.43 | earthian | liable, sound is not working, no more hw acceleration in X |
| 07:43.54 | Guerin | insta: why not reconnect later? |
| 07:44.00 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:44.05 | Guerin | earthian: why not reconnect later? |
| 07:44.05 | insta | owned :D |
| 07:44.25 | Guerin | earthian: ok, here's how |
| 07:44.43 | Guerin | earthian: for each of the services you DO want to restart, run /etc/init.d/servicename restart |
| 07:44.55 | Guerin | other than that, you're being too vague for any help |
| 07:45.24 | earthian | ok. so there in so other way than /etc/init.d right? nothing hidded elsewhere. |
| 07:45.49 | earthian | great. thanks! |
| 07:45.50 | PietroGiovanni | liable, how do i remount? |
| 07:46.34 | liable | PietroGiovanni: mount -o remount foo |
| 07:46.50 | Guerin | will remount re-read fstab? |
| 07:46.55 | Guerin | i'm not sure it will |
| 07:47.06 | liable | i think so, not positive though |
| 07:47.16 | Guerin | only one way to find out |
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| 07:47.34 | PietroGiovanni | didnt work |
| 07:47.36 | xmb | what was the debian distro called coming with a grsec kernel |
| 07:47.37 | PietroGiovanni | reading why |
| 07:47.40 | liable | he can remount it manually if it doesnt anyway.. |
| 07:47.47 | PietroGiovanni | how? |
| 07:48.14 | liable | or umount it then mount -a |
| 07:48.14 | PietroGiovanni | sudo mount -t vfat /mnt/nevynyrrals/ /dev/hda5 |
| 07:48.26 | PietroGiovanni | that didnt wokr |
| 07:48.27 | Techdeck_ | Guerin, hmm, I don't understand how to use auto-apt .. when I run auto-apt update it takes a lot of time, what does it do? and why does it give me a shell when I run auto-apt run? |
| 07:48.29 | PietroGiovanni | work |
| 07:48.40 | PietroGiovanni | will go for the umount option |
| 07:48.54 | insta | Techdeck_: why do you want to apt-get upgrade on a cronjob? that just sounds like an awesome way to wake up to a broken computer someday |
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| 07:49.23 | Techdeck_ | insta, I agree .. but I have tons of boxes to do this for |
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| 07:49.28 | Techdeck_ | doing this manually every day can be quite annoying |
| 07:49.38 | Techdeck_ | insta, is there a safe way of automizing this? |
| 07:49.51 | liable | not really |
| 07:50.07 | insta | well, |
| 07:50.17 | PietroGiovanni | i get drive busy error |
| 07:50.20 | Techdeck_ | you guys show little faith in debian's maintainers :p |
| 07:50.24 | insta | at the least, please have your boxes point to a distribution server you control, and not the mainline ones |
| 07:50.30 | insta | Techdeck_: I've done the exact same thing |
| 07:50.33 | insta | hosed my machine badly a few times |
| 07:50.44 | Techdeck_ | ah, that's a nice idea |
| 07:51.09 | Techdeck_ | thanks insta |
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| 07:51.22 | insta | sure :) |
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| 07:52.04 | liable | would a onboard intel graphics card be good enough for a mythtv boxen? |
| 07:52.10 | Guerin | Techdeck_: how I would do this is have one or two `scout' boxes, which upgrade on a cron job and, if successful, set a flag which other boxes can read which gives the greenlight for a similar upgrade |
| 07:52.46 | Guerin | have your main fleet of boxen poll the `scout' boxen daily or whenever, and upgrade if they see a green light |
| 07:52.53 | Guerin | liable: yes. |
| 07:53.04 | liable | groovy |
| 07:53.08 | insta | liable: make sure you've got DRI |
| 07:53.11 | Techdeck_ | nice! |
| 07:53.11 | Guerin | liable: anything can do 2d; the only thing you need is xv, which intel does fine |
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| 07:53.22 | insta | the intel cards aren't bad for the gnu desktop actually |
| 07:53.25 | Guerin | Techdeck_: i don't know anything in particular about auto-apt (never used it), so you'll need to RTFM |
| 07:53.32 | Techdeck_ | will do |
| 07:53.45 | Techdeck_ | thanks to both of you, nice creative ideas |
| 07:53.49 | ebbs | hi, after installing some kde packages with gnome, konqueror starts, when Im accessing my HDD over "Places" in the menubar. I want it to start with nautilus... How can I change this setting.? (It seems to be, that all the people of ##gnome went away to drink their coffee..) |
| 07:54.23 | ebbs | kk, now someone answered, thx |
| 07:54.47 | Guerin | http://www.aallnet.org/sis/ripssis/Puron/penguin_research.html |
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| 08:00.34 | black_13 | what is the typical file system used on an initial ram disk? |
| 08:01.28 | liable | file type of an initrd? |
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| 08:01.56 | peterS | black_13: for 2.6 kernels, usually gzipped cpio file |
| 08:02.11 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.16 | peterS | black_13: for 2.4 kernels, Debian used to use cramfs, before that we used gzipped minix image |
| 08:02.19 | Guerin | istr it also being ext2 ssometimes |
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| 08:02.26 | Guerin | aha |
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| 08:02.51 | black_13 | i am looking at the debian live system |
| 08:02.52 | peterS | yeah we might've used ext2 in between minix and cramfs |
| 08:03.09 | black_13 | and trying to find out what is in the initial ram disk |
| 08:03.11 | Koos | black_13: Ubuntu? :) |
| 08:03.17 | Guerin | the most important thing is that it be in-kernel |
| 08:03.18 | black_13 | no debian |
| 08:03.35 | Koos | ah |
| 08:03.36 | Guerin | black_13: ungzip it and try to mount it with loop |
| 08:03.37 | peterS | Guerin: actually I think the installer used ext2 because cramfs was read-only and it was important to be able to write to (for example) /tmp before other things were mounted. but I could be wrong |
| 08:03.44 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 08:04.01 | black_13 | Guerin, yeah i asks for the file system type |
| 08:04.35 | peterS | black_13: 'file -z' is your friend |
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| 08:05.11 | black_13 | ascii cpio archive |
| 08:05.21 | peterS | there ya go then |
| 08:05.31 | peterS | use the 'cpio' tool to read and write it |
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| 08:06.34 | concept10 | any vimmers here? |
| 08:06.48 | liable | that sounds kinky |
| 08:06.58 | peterS | careful, someone will ask the bot to start a tired old editor war |
| 08:07.04 | black_13 | liable, funny! |
| 08:07.07 | Guerin | concept10: the term `vimtards' or `vidiots' is preferred |
| 08:07.33 | holycow | this should be good |
| 08:07.37 | holycow | -_- |
| 08:07.42 | liable | moo? |
| 08:07.49 | Guerin | i sense a lack of bottle among the vimtards |
| 08:07.51 | concept10 | Vimtards? Vim is the best application on the planet. |
| 08:08.07 | Guerin | concept10: except for emacs. And irssi. And ... |
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| 08:08.11 | peterS | yeah if you've never heard of joe or emacs |
| 08:08.17 | poe-t | I prefer something more obscure as vi vs vim |
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| 08:08.33 | insta | ed ftw |
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| 08:08.49 | peterS | ed isn't an editor it's a scripting language |
| 08:08.51 | concept10 | Whenever you think there is some limitation in vim, it justs keeps on chugging along |
| 08:09.00 | liable | *groan* |
| 08:09.15 | Guerin | concept10: make it auto-validate xml as i type (against my choice of schema) and I might consider it |
| 08:09.17 | poe-t | cat is great editor for writing html |
| 08:09.21 | concept10 | Guerin, I tried emacs over two weeks and I didnt understand what the hype is about |
| 08:09.30 | black_13 | cpio confusion how do extract the contents |
| 08:09.49 | concept10 | the only benefit could be elisp, but that makes it slow |
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| 08:10.08 | concept10 | vim has perl, python and ruby |
| 08:10.10 | peterS | black_13: cpio is a bit complex, the number of options is kinda daunting. gzip -cd initrd.gz | cpio -i |
| 08:10.18 | Guerin | concept10: the real reason I like emacs is the insane amount of stuff (modes, mostly) already written for it |
| 08:10.44 | Guerin | and the ability to google practically any obscure thing you might want to do, and find someone has written an elisp frob for it |
| 08:11.03 | concept10 | Guerin, maybe so. I couldnt learn those modes fast enough |
| 08:11.06 | peterS | also, emacs syntax highlighting doesn't choose headache-inducing colors |
| 08:11.10 | Guerin | oh, and the fact that it doesn't have retarded-mode where typing doesn't actually type |
| 08:11.31 | Guerin | peterS: shell-script-mode is pretty fierce |
| 08:11.48 | concept10 | You just have to get used to your 'entry-point' |
| 08:11.50 | peterS | is it? I guess I haven't tried that. the vim color modes make my eyes hurt |
| 08:12.25 | concept10 | I have around 100 different synthax themes |
| 08:12.29 | concept10 | in vim |
| 08:12.59 | nvz | I hate retarded-mode editors |
| 08:13.13 | Guerin | poe-t: hm, i use unicode constantly, no grief |
| 08:13.13 | nvz | go emacs! |
| 08:13.13 | concept10 | but i have this gnome theme now, thats dark brown, and vim is lovely with it |
| 08:13.23 | liable | pooey! |
| 08:13.36 | Guerin | rrr, i need coffee |
| 08:15.06 | concept10 | Guerin, peterS : look at this: http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1ba4.png |
| 08:15.11 | black_13 | peterS, how do produce directory structure from the cpio |
| 08:15.39 | peterS | black_13: I told you |
| 08:16.01 | insta | beryl, nice :) |
| 08:16.12 | black_13 | i produced lots of output to the console |
| 08:16.23 | insta | I criticize your usage of confusing XML and widgets galore |
| 08:16.37 | concept10 | huh? |
| 08:16.47 | liable | i fart in your general direction |
| 08:16.48 | Guerin | it's just too dark for me |
| 08:16.50 | Guerin | and cluttered |
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| 08:17.17 | insta | concept10: I'm talking about the xml not your desktop |
| 08:17.43 | concept10 | insta, thats a .glade file for gnome GUIs |
| 08:18.17 | peterS | black_13: works for me. it only seems to fail when cpio receives input that is not a cpio file |
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| 08:18.37 | peterS | black_13: I told you 'gzip -cd initrd.gz | cpio -i' - I'm assuming you already determined that initrd.gz is a gzipped cpio archive |
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| 08:19.06 | black_13 | peterS, yeah |
| 08:19.39 | black_13 | i did that but everthing went to the console |
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| 08:20.03 | peterS | black_13: you might try your luck with 'pax', an alternative cpio utility. I haven't used pax, but maybe it's easier to figure out |
| 08:20.36 | black_13 | it works on cpio archives |
| 08:20.39 | concept10 | I dont understand how people can edit files (or use terminal) on a white background |
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| 08:21.12 | peterS | concept10: I dunno either - but maybe people who like white backgrounds are laptop users, where the white isn't as bright and won't hurt your eyes like on a crt |
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| 08:21.51 | peterS | concept10: after all, people read white _paper_ all the time - but paper doesn't give off as much light as a CRT |
| 08:22.08 | concept10 | peterS, yeah, maybe so. I never move my laptop (its connected to the monitor) so I wouldnt know |
| 08:22.49 | insta | concept10: I use white extensively when developing ... but I can't do it unless it's an lcd |
| 08:22.54 | peterS | concept10: I suspect the trend toward white backgrounds was started by GUI word processors that use a white background for the obvious reason that you have to if you intend to print on white paper and you want to be WYSIWYG |
| 08:22.59 | insta | it is easier on the eyes, but it burns me out to do it with a crt |
| 08:23.51 | concept10 | that reminds me, I need to see how open office looks with the brown theme |
| 08:24.07 | peterS | I have half a mind to switch my linux consoles to vintage amber-on-black |
| 08:24.24 | concept10 | thats what I use |
| 08:25.00 | peterS | I grew up on green, but amber seems a bit easier on the eyes somehow |
| 08:25.13 | haggz | I use green-on-black for terminals, I could never give it up |
| 08:25.44 | peterS | haggz: now now you don't have to have everything you saw in The Matrix |
| 08:25.47 | concept10 | I use #DDCE95 on black |
| 08:26.24 | peterS | just round it to #DC9, save a couple of keystrokes |
| 08:26.29 | haggz | peterS: nah it's an Apple II+ fetish...a part of me still wants to code everything in BASIC |
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| 08:26.41 | concept10 | heh, open office is completely brown with this theme. Even the document |
| 08:26.46 | peterS | (#DC9 == #DDCC99, a lot of people don't realise you can abbreviate hex colors) |
| 08:26.52 | black_13 | peterS, cpio -id < cpiofile |
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| 08:27.52 | holycow | concept10, post a screenshot somewhere |
| 08:28.00 | holycow | that would be neat to see |
| 08:28.06 | concept10 | of open office? |
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| 08:28.14 | holycow | + desktop or whatever |
| 08:28.24 | peterS | yeah it would. brown everywhere? hmm |
| 08:28.38 | peterS | wait, he's using the ubuntu human theme, isn't he? |
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| 08:28.58 | concept10 | holycow, http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1ba4.png |
| 08:29.04 | streuner | peterS: holycow? sure.. |
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| 08:29.37 | holycow | heh pretty cool |
| 08:29.46 | holycow | easy on the eyes in comparison to white, totally |
| 08:30.14 | concept10 | actually I was tired of the grey |
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| 08:31.29 | peterS | concept10: yay! I collect "cameos" - screenshots that I appear in (usually via an open irc client window) |
| 08:32.24 | concept10 | peterS, do you have a gallery? |
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| 08:33.12 | peterS | concept10: not public, no. I don't have gallery software running on this machine, so there wouldn't be thumbnails, just 3.7 MB of jpegs and pngs |
| 08:34.18 | concept10 | im a novice programmer and I want to send in a patch, do you guys usually save a new file and then use diff? (Why I asked about vim) |
| 08:34.25 | nvz | io is a bit complex, the number of options is kinda |
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| 08:35.57 | peterS | concept10: depends on the project. if they're using version control, you use the appropriate version control tool to generate a patch from a checkout. if not, then yeah, I do what you just said, and 'diff -u' the two files |
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| 08:37.15 | Tallu | Ugh, I'm bored and can't wait to get home. Just set up a pxe boot environment and want to test it. =) |
| 08:37.25 | concept10 | peterS, they use svn, I need to learn about diff in svn |
| 08:37.55 | peterS | concept10: so you get a svn checkout ('svn checkout svn://whatever') then edit files in the working copy you just created, then use 'svn status' and 'svn diff'. |
| 08:38.44 | pinx | how do I get rsync to exclude 2 different patterns? |
| 08:38.47 | k31th | Will dma mode be turned on by default in debian ? |
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| 08:39.07 | xand | k31th: it should be |
| 08:39.10 | k31th | on a sataII drive |
| 08:39.19 | peterS | k31th: that's a pretty vague question. I assume you mean use of DMA by an ATA disk controller. and _that_ has been enabled for years on most controllers |
| 08:39.38 | k31th | ok. Yeah i do peterS |
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| 08:40.05 | concept10 | peterS, thanks alot. now I need to find out what svn diff does with the file |
| 08:40.50 | concept10 | ah, let me read up on svn |
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| 08:42.08 | peterS | concept10: yeah, if you haven't used a system like that before, and you want to learn enough to do _useful_ work in svn (as opposed to just learning the 2 commands you need right now), read the book at www.svnbook.org. |
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| 08:42.36 | concept10 | programming has a steep learning curve. Not only do you have to learn the language, you have to learn the editor, version control and project management. Sheesh! |
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| 08:43.11 | peterS | heh - if you want to do all those things, yeah |
| 08:43.15 | Tallu | concept10: what language are you using? |
| 08:43.32 | concept10 | Tallu, python and ruby |
| 08:43.34 | Guerin | concept10: this is why I never bothered |
| 08:43.45 | peterS | concept10: btw if you _do_ want to spend way too long waiting for my uplink to upload large cameo jpegs, http://p12n.org/tmp/cameos/. I haven't made thumbnails. |
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| 08:43.59 | pyrohotdog | How do I add multiverse and universe to apt-get? |
| 08:44.06 | Guerin | pyrohotdog: #ubuntu |
| 08:44.07 | cydork | pyrohotdog: you dont ! |
| 08:44.17 | Guerin | pyrohotdog: short answer: debian has them already |
| 08:44.31 | pyrohotdog | I see. Obvious where I'm from, eh? |
| 08:44.37 | xand | !ubuntu |
| 08:44.37 | pyrohotdog | Thank you. :) |
| 08:44.37 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 08:44.52 | concept10 | There is like a bump in the road at every corner. VIM was a huge bump, OOP was another bump |
| 08:45.24 | Tallu | concept10: ahh. :) I've been thinking of taking up c++. Done a lot of java but thats not really too good for system tasks |
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| 08:45.45 | concept10 | Tallu, like libraries and such? |
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| 08:46.09 | eisen | C++ & Qt ftw ;-) |
| 08:46.42 | concept10 | Tallu, I read half of a C++ book last week and after working with interpreted languages, it seems weird |
| 08:46.46 | bokey | eisen, FYI gtk and c++ :/ |
| 08:46.50 | cydork | ewww QT! |
| 08:46.58 | peterS | rahul: what, you prefer CL + Qt? |
| 08:46.59 | eisen | especially if you come from java the transition is quite smooth |
| 08:47.09 | rahul | peterS: how the hell could that work? |
| 08:47.14 | Guerin | sh and ncurses! |
| 08:47.15 | rahul | C++ is incompatible with anything else |
| 08:47.16 | concept10 | If I cant get it done with python or ruby, its not to be done (by me anyway!) |
| 08:47.35 | peterS | rahul: right, I guess Qt isn't intended to be random-bindings-friendly |
| 08:47.40 | bokey | curses are dead |
| 08:47.45 | bokey | they are a curse itself |
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| 08:47.53 | bokey | hehe |
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| 08:48.19 | karmatronic | bokey: curses rules ! |
| 08:48.25 | concept10 | rahul, is that you that told me that you didnt like interpreted languages? |
| 08:48.27 | bokey | ok ok.. |
| 08:48.38 | rahul | concept10: interpretation is a sign of weakness |
| 08:48.44 | rahul | immaturity |
| 08:48.59 | cydork | heh! |
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| 08:49.31 | concept10 | ps aux | grep python (on rahuls system) about 10 processes |
| 08:49.40 | concept10 | and he loves it |
| 08:49.51 | rahul | photino# ps aux | grep python |
| 08:49.51 | rahul | photino# ps aux | grep pythonroot 7541 0.0 0.2 1560 516 pts/4 S+ 03:49 0:00 grep python |
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| 08:50.00 | concept10 | heh |
| 08:50.00 | rahul | stupid irssi |
| 08:50.07 | peterS | concept10: you want to annoy rahul, suggest that maybe he needs to use guile |
| 08:50.12 | rahul | hahahahaha |
| 08:50.14 | rahul | guile |
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| 08:50.22 | rahul | only idiots use guile |
| 08:50.26 | peterS | see? |
| 08:50.31 | rahul | no, it's not annoying |
| 08:50.39 | Guerin | rahul: shaddup! he was heaps better than ken and ryu! |
| 08:50.54 | rahul | Guerin: and chun li kicked all their asses! |
| 08:51.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:51.07 | Guerin | true that |
| 08:51.19 | Guerin | noes! |
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| 08:51.38 | Guerin | sagat FTW |
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| 08:51.42 | Guerin | he was unbeatable |
| 08:51.46 | rahul | pfft. |
| 08:51.57 | rahul | you're not allowed to use those guys. |
| 08:52.04 | rahul | only lamers used them |
| 08:52.53 | concept10 | what? |
| 08:52.59 | concept10 | ken ftw |
| 08:53.23 | rahul | concept10: you sound like a python programmer |
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| 08:53.33 | rahul | ken |
| 08:53.42 | concept10 | ken is the best |
| 08:53.49 | haggz | SHORYUKEN |
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| 08:53.53 | concept10 | I would beat people for hours with key |
| 08:54.07 | rahul | I can beat off for hours with chun li |
| 08:54.09 | rahul | I mean... |
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| 08:54.43 | ree | hi all |
| 08:54.45 | crazy_penguin | Hello to everyone! |
| 08:54.46 | Guerin | sagat was one of the reasons I studied muay thai |
| 08:54.54 | concept10 | I need to reinstall mame, I miss playing punchout |
| 08:55.47 | ree | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! - on a fresh sid install, from aptitude. -- what do I need to do? |
| 08:55.49 | bokey | rahul, how old are you ? |
| 08:55.50 | karmatronic | anyone remembers how to do the "helicopter" technic with chunli ? |
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| 08:56.15 | dondelelcaro | karmatronic: google knows. |
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| 08:56.32 | karmatronic | dondelelcaro: google doestn know that |
| 08:56.56 | peterS | you'd be surprised. google has played a lot of fight video games |
| 08:57.01 | rahul | bokey: old enough to be your mother |
| 08:57.29 | karmatronic | peterS: yeah but he doestn remember |
| 08:57.30 | rahul | www.gamefaqs.com. nuff said |
| 08:57.30 | concept10 | what about torcs? anyone play this? |
| 08:57.46 | pyrohotdog | Torcs is fun. :) |
| 08:57.46 | bokey | rahul, god gracious my father must have given you hard time. |
| 08:58.02 | peterS | whoa it's 2:57. aside from being my favorite time of day it's also approximately my bedtime. later all |
| 08:58.11 | rahul | night peterS |
| 08:58.13 | pyrohotdog | "Trigger" is a fun game. Not very far along in development though. |
| 08:58.18 | rahul | I'm about to flop over dead, too |
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| 08:58.22 | concept10 | I wish sid had the newest version |
| 08:58.26 | rahul | heh, and andy almost died, I think |
| 08:58.36 | concept10 | rahul, have some of this ruby coffee |
| 08:58.38 | rahul | but that's the life of a rock star |
| 08:58.49 | rahul | kawfeh? |
| 08:59.00 | Guerin | yeh, it's 2200 and I just made myself a coffee |
| 08:59.09 | Guerin | the madness is only just beginning |
| 08:59.09 | concept10 | rahul, or how about some python green tea |
| 08:59.13 | rahul | it's 2007 |
| 08:59.18 | pyrohotdog | is there a command line tool to change screen resolution? |
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| 08:59.28 | rahul | pyrohotdog: what programs's screen res? |
| 08:59.32 | Guerin | pyrohotdog: if you have X set up right, use xrandr |
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| 09:00.53 | concept10 | its 3:00, yikes! |
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| 09:01.02 | rahul | no it's 4:00 |
| 09:01.07 | rahul | !penixstrike concept10 |
| 09:01.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking concept10 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 09:01.13 | liable | just gone beer o clock here |
| 09:01.15 | xand | no, it's 9:01 |
| 09:01.16 | xand | DUH |
| 09:01.32 | Guerin | liable: it's 10am there? |
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| 09:01.56 | liable | Guerin: heh, only on tuesdays to sundays :) |
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| 09:02.05 | concept10 | is Penix based on debian? how do I enable multiverse and universe? |
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| 09:02.16 | Guerin | !aolify concept10 |
| 09:02.40 | concept10 | havent seen that one |
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| 09:03.08 | concept10 | peterS, that desktop collection is pretty diverse |
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| 09:04.28 | peterS | concept10: people don't tend to post screenshots of default desktops, they only post what they consider interesting ones. the key feature in each one is an open irc window with me in it somewhere |
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| 09:04.50 | rahul | !penixstrike peterS |
| 09:04.50 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking peterS to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 09:05.03 | peterS | rahul: you zoof |
| 09:05.24 | concept10 | its interesting that no one likes the same thing (at least on linux) |
| 09:05.25 | rahul | with you in it somewhere, getting struck by a penix! |
| 09:05.38 | concept10 | and seeing greycat's made me laugh |
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| 09:07.53 | peterS | concept10: wait, greycat? |
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| 09:08.35 | concept10 | peterS, yep |
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| 09:09.44 | peterS | I don't see a greycat shot in my collection |
| 09:10.01 | concept10 | maybe he was just in the channel |
| 09:10.20 | loca|host | anyone can help me ? my CPU Fan wont stop with Debian, it does with Windows ;( |
| 09:10.39 | peterS | hmmm, the oldest one I have with #debian is dated April 2005, was greycat still around at that point? possibly |
| 09:10.41 | concept10 | I wonder why people still use Openstep |
| 09:10.48 | sussudio | loca|host: ubuntu isn't debian |
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| 09:11.37 | loca|host | sussudio, and who told you it were debian ? |
| 09:11.53 | sussudio | %confuse loca|host |
| 09:11.53 | Yancho | guys anyone know how i can install "deb and deb-src" on ubuntu pls ? |
| 09:11.53 | badgers | Yes, those is their gerbil today, loca|host? wellies of the democracy of tahiti with extra herring |
| 09:12.11 | Supaplex | Yancho: no. try #ubuntu |
| 09:12.24 | concept10 | peterS, I meant the don delelcaro shot |
| 09:12.26 | rahul | fucking trolls |
| 09:12.32 | rahul | !kill ubuntu |
| 09:13.26 | Supaplex | !kill the so called virtual server win2k3ee appliance |
| 09:13.33 | sussudio | rahul: thanks for giving an mental image of Tori Spelling and having sex. I'm going to get some mind-bleach now. |
| 09:13.37 | Supaplex | so much for testing debian.exe on w2k3 :P |
| 09:13.53 | rahul | heh |
| 09:13.55 | rahul | !sing sussudio |
| 09:14.01 | pinx | what plays wmv's on Sarge? |
| 09:14.11 | rahul | mplayer |
| 09:14.14 | Supaplex | go fish |
| 09:14.28 | Supaplex | nono, uhm... texas holdem |
| 09:14.34 | peterS | I DO. send me your wmv's and I promise to play them on sarge. |
| 09:14.36 | Supaplex | ok, I give up. what? |
| 09:14.51 | Supaplex | </smirk> |
| 09:14.57 | peterS | for a small fee |
| 09:15.06 | loca|host | so no one got an idea ? |
| 09:15.09 | pinx | peterS: :-p |
| 09:15.11 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 09:15.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen rabid platypuses. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 09:17.01 | Supaplex | loca|host: haven't you asked the same questions over and over? didn't someone already suggest cpufreqd or cpufrequtils? |
| 09:17.02 | pinx | rahul: apt-get install mplayer says no such pkg |
| 09:17.45 | Supaplex | !mplayer |
| 09:17.45 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is in Debian testing and unstable. See README.Debian in the Debian package for details. You may want to use a player based on xine-lib or vlc instead. Unofficial packages are available on <debian-multimedia>. The Debian and mplayer FAQ is at http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
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| 09:18.56 | pinx | yea - I said sarge. |
| 09:19.36 | Supaplex | try a backport |
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| 09:19.41 | loca|host | Supaplex, nothing did it ... it's my 24hours awake on this prob |
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| 09:20.19 | Supaplex | loca|host: well apparently the answer is unknown. |
| 09:20.21 | pinx | !backport |
| 09:20.21 | dpkg | i guess backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get ... |
| 09:20.40 | MsgToThePpl | how do i get the source to linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 ? |
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| 09:21.02 | Supaplex | !tell MsgToThePpl -about search |
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| 09:21.49 | guitoune | Hi all |
| 09:22.07 | stefano | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.13 | mhiku | how to wget recursive dir as root using sftp in a remote site? |
| 09:22.20 | guitoune | I've a problem with a 3ware RAID card |
| 09:22.44 | guitoune | the drive is randomly detected a sda or sdb |
| 09:22.45 | Supaplex | mhiku: I think you want scp, or even rsync. check the man pages. |
| 09:22.55 | guitoune | does anyone know what's the problem ? |
| 09:23.13 | MsgToThePpl | Supaplex> that lists 2.6.18 not 2.6.18-1-686 |
| 09:23.42 | Supaplex | guitoune: 3ware maintains their driver. as a work around, you can use the uuid/guid of ext[23] file systems. see tune2fs |
| 09:23.45 | peterS | guitoune: you might be loading the 3w-xxxx kernel module after some other module like usb_storage which sometimes claims sda (if you have a USB disk plugged in) and sometimes does not |
| 09:23.54 | Supaplex | MsgToThePpl: is this 2.6.18-1-686 from a debian package? |
| 09:24.02 | mhiku | why? scp or rsync? |
| 09:24.09 | mhiku | cant it just be wget ? |
| 09:24.16 | MsgToThePpl | yes got it through apt-get linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 09:24.23 | Supaplex | mhiku: wget is http/ftp, not ssh/scp/sftp |
| 09:24.41 | Supaplex | MsgToThePpl: then apt-get source <package> |
| 09:24.55 | pinx | Supaplex: is there any other pkg that will play wmv's? |
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| 09:25.08 | Supaplex | !wmv |
| 09:25.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, wmv is http://wiki.debian.org/WindowsMediaVideo : a Microsoft video format using proprietary technologies, partially reverse-engineered. support under Debian (without using non-free software) is limited. |
| 09:25.16 | guitoune | SO, I need to load the sata driver of the mainboard Before the 3ware driver, and I will alwais have my RAID at sdb ? |
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| 09:25.28 | Supaplex | pinx: not that I know of. Haven't played any in some time. |
| 09:25.48 | pinx | k - thanks |
| 09:26.07 | peterS | guitoune: the point is you should load the modules in a specific order, possibly separated by a bit of time (since module loading and initialisation isn't synchronous), so that the disks are always detected in the same order |
| 09:26.11 | stefano | I'm trying to bridge my wireless interface with my eth0. I set iwconfig on wireless, ifconfig both of them up with 0.0.0.0, add to the bridge interface, bring it up but any ping to the outside world (wireless) fails. The brctl showmacs shows correctly the mac addresses of other machines on the wireless but I cannot ping them...what could I do? |
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| 09:26.51 | guitoune | peterS, and, how can I do that, wich file do I need to modify |
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| 09:26.56 | Supaplex | stefano: which release of debian are you tracking? check /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/ |
| 09:27.01 | guitoune | (sorry for my english, i'm french) |
| 09:27.29 | Supaplex | stefano: also, a recently fixed issue in bts relates to your request |
| 09:28.04 | stefano | Supaplex: sid, on both amd64 and ppc |
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| 09:29.06 | stefano | Supaplex: really? so I suppose it's not yet in sid |
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| 09:30.51 | Supaplex | stefano: apt-get update; apt-get install bridge-utils; read /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
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| 09:32.18 | stefano | Supaplex: I've already read it. The problem is that it uses the "/etc/network/interfaces" and I would like to try without it. But to see if it works now I'm trying using it |
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| 09:33.26 | Supaplex | ok. if you discover any inaccuracies in the docs, you know the drill, right? :) |
| 09:33.57 | stefano | Supaplex: Sure :) |
| 09:34.08 | Supaplex | seeing as how that bts update is fairly new. cool. |
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| 09:36.04 | stefano | Supaplex: bridge-utils on my ppc is 1.2-1, so I think it's the latest one |
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| 09:36.59 | Supaplex | stefano: is the wireless adapter in managed mode? |
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| 09:37.51 | stefano | Supaplex: it is...in fact I'm seeing there could be problems because of it... :) |
| 09:37.58 | stefano | I didn't read that part of the doc :) |
| 09:38.30 | Supaplex | ve have a viner :) |
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| 09:40.46 | stefano | in fact it doesn't work even putting it in /etc/network/interfaces. The eth1 (my wireless device) enter and exits from learning and disables states |
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| 09:42.09 | Supaplex | isn't there some other wireless mode better suited for that? |
| 09:42.46 | Supaplex | granted, it's like 5 hours later than I'm usually in bed. *shrug* |
| 09:42.52 | stefano | :-) |
| 09:43.45 | Supaplex | which wireless driver are you using? |
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| 09:44.04 | stefano | Supaplex: I don't actually know. I just wanted to have a situation like this: i have a sever connected via wireless to the router. sometimes I have to change its location and plug it directly to the router using the cable. I wanted to bridge them in order to have always the possibility to plug and have it working |
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| 09:44.10 | Supaplex | does it support segmentation? |
| 09:44.18 | stefano | Supaplex: trying with two devices: bcm43xx and acx |
| 09:44.38 | Supaplex | that's what bonding is for :) |
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| 09:45.35 | stefano | Supaplex: bonding? oh...I didn't know about bonding. I'm going to search docs about it immediately! Thank you |
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| 09:47.44 | bzed | bonding needs to be configured on both sides, I doubt a normal router supports it |
| 09:48.48 | Supaplex | !bonding |
| 09:48.48 | dpkg | i heard bonding is making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source |
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| 09:50.53 | bzed | it's Documentation/networking/bonding.txt btw |
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| 09:51.34 | Supaplex | !bonding =~ s!Documentation/bonding.txt!Documentation/networking/bonding.txt! |
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| 09:51.42 | MsgToThePpl | hi why kernel-2.6.18-1 loads ueagle-atm instead of eagle-usb ? |
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| 09:52.32 | stefano | Supaplex: it works! I've enslaved eth0 and eth1. It detected eth1 is able to reach the network and started to use it! :-) |
| 09:52.38 | Supaplex | module names are subject to change at anytime. |
| 09:52.42 | stefano | Now I'll try to plug on eth0 and let's see what happen |
| 09:52.53 | stefano | %s/happen/happens |
| 09:52.55 | buu | So what are free / open / awesome complete emulators these days? |
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| 09:53.05 | buu | Er, virtual.. machine.. thingies. |
| 09:53.13 | Supaplex | like qemu? |
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| 09:53.35 | Supaplex | vmware-server is non-free (but $0) |
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| 09:53.51 | buu | What was that one.. emu.. something? |
| 09:53.57 | bzed | buu: kvm, qemu, xen, openVZ..... depends on what you need :P |
| 09:54.07 | stefano | buu: if you'd like free OS ready qemu images go to http://free.oszoo.org |
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| 09:56.12 | buu | So could qemu do like.. windows? |
| 09:56.30 | bzed | yes |
| 09:56.33 | Supaplex | buu: it'll do xp |
| 09:56.40 | bzed | 2000 works, too |
| 09:56.46 | buu | Any of the earlier ones? |
| 09:56.58 | Supaplex | it doesn't play nice with already installed setups |
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| 09:57.07 | Supaplex | yea, older = easier |
| 09:57.09 | buu | What do you mean? |
| 09:57.30 | Supaplex | topic faq #qemu |
| 09:57.41 | Supaplex | in other words, don't expect it to boot. |
| 09:57.50 | buu | Heh. |
| 09:58.37 | Supaplex | unless you installed it through qemu :) leave it to MSFT to .. well you know. throw hardware interop out the door between multiple machines off one install. |
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| 10:05.04 | stefano | Supaplex: ok, with bonding I've solved this problem. But there's still a think I don't understand: vmware creating a brige between my VM and my wireless network. It works...why instead my solution doesn't work? |
| 10:05.35 | Supaplex | vm? |
| 10:05.56 | Supaplex | nm that. |
| 10:06.13 | stefano | mmm...I'll have a deeper look... |
| 10:06.15 | Supaplex | remember that document I had you read? |
| 10:06.56 | Supaplex | in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz it already describes it. |
| 10:09.00 | Ash-Fox | Where do you set the default LANG variable setting in Debian? |
| 10:10.00 | stefano | Supaplex: this morning I think that I should get back to bed :-) |
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| 10:11.14 | Supaplex | Ash-Fox: I'd keep it in your shell dot profile. eg, .bash_profile, .bashrc, .profile or, read the man page on your shell to see where it is. |
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| 10:11.57 | cydork | !locales |
| 10:11.58 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 10:12.06 | cydork | Ash-Fox: ^ |
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| 10:12.42 | MsgToThePpl | hi, with eagle-usb i used startadsl to connect, what's for ueagle-atm ? |
| 10:13.52 | loca|host | Am trying to install Debian Etch from CD on my new Dell Optiplex S620 Server and it fails when trying to detect hard disks (SATA drives), anyone got an idea about this issue ? |
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| 10:14.39 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: likely adsl, or asynchronous transfer mode |
| 10:14.59 | vorsprung | loca|host, find out what chips the sata drive controller uses and do some research on the web |
| 10:15.06 | Supaplex | loca|host: 1. try the linux26 target on boot, if there's one available. |
| 10:15.18 | cydork | loca|host: with rc 1 installer? |
| 10:15.25 | Supaplex | 2. optiplex is a line of desktops :) |
| 10:15.29 | bzed | loca|host: also make sure you have the latest installer build |
| 10:15.32 | MsgToThePpl | enouf i mean... what command to use |
| 10:15.39 | MsgToThePpl | in eagle-usb startadsl works |
| 10:15.48 | MsgToThePpl | n ueagle-atm does not |
| 10:16.00 | loca|host | bzed, where can i get the latest installer build ? |
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| 10:16.14 | enouf | loca|host: see http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware perhaps a bit stale though |
| 10:16.26 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:16.33 | Supaplex | stfw |
| 10:16.48 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: no idea .. I only know eagles as birds of prey ;-) |
| 10:17.02 | cydork | loca|host: /msg dpkg etch sata |
| 10:17.35 | Ash-Fox | Supaplex, well, apparently I should of installed locales and done it there... |
| 10:18.18 | loca|host | :) |
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| 10:19.37 | analfabeta | hi!??? |
| 10:19.50 | analfabeta | i have one problem with cups+samba in a kerberized machine |
| 10:19.56 | analfabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.02 | analfabeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.15 | analfabeta | but, when try print any paper, have that errors: http://pastebin.ca/345383 |
| 10:20.26 | analfabeta | someone can help me? |
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| 10:23.15 | Supaplex | analfabeta: was samba built as a debian package? what's bts say? |
| 10:23.48 | analfabeta | yes, i do a debian package with samba sources |
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| 10:24.15 | scx | anybody have tried Quake4 under Linux ? |
| 10:25.01 | analfabeta | scx, i played quake4 |
| 10:25.14 | scx | I can see the how2's but I am not sure if the Quake package is what I buy or if there's an special Linux pack |
| 10:25.44 | scx | analfabeta: y puedes escribir ?! :o |
| 10:26.10 | analfabeta | scx, i was using a original pack, nothing more |
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| 10:26.59 | scx | analfabeta: ok, is 'universal' then like Quake 3 right |
| 10:27.20 | analfabeta | Supaplex, you know anything about my problem? |
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| 10:31.30 | hjubal | when I plug in an usb pen drive on my notebook running etch i get "nbhp kernel: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 6" and then "nbhp kernel: usb 1-1: device not accepting address 6, error -110" and then "...address 7..8..9, error -110" |
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| 10:34.33 | scx | hjubal: modprobe -r ehci_hcd |
| 10:34.41 | scx | replug the card |
| 10:35.10 | scx | I don't love Eric Raymond btw |
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| 10:36.14 | hjubal | scx: O_o, it works! |
| 10:38.13 | war | I keep getting these in my logcheck e-mails, anyone know how to ignore them? /etc/logcheck/workstation.ignore didnt work - gconfd (ap-30277): Resolved address"xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration source at position 0 |
| 10:38.44 | hjubal | scx: should I prevent ehci_hcd from being loaded at boot? |
| 10:39.22 | scx | hjubal: maybe it won't happen again, reboot and let's see |
| 10:40.11 | hjubal | scx, I've never been able to mount this pen on this pc |
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| 10:48.33 | ebbs | Hi. How can I log my system startup...? (I would like to log an initng startup...) |
| 10:49.49 | xand | ebbs: look in dmesg? |
| 10:49.58 | ebbs | k |
| 10:50.02 | hark | !bootlog |
| 10:50.02 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 10:51.28 | MsgToThePpl | hi, my dsl modem gets operational (ueagle-atm) but how do i connect ? |
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| 10:52.13 | norc | There is an application to write a string into the X clipboard, does anybody what application that is? |
| 10:52.15 | ebbs | hark, does this daemon write more than the last startup??? |
| 10:52.55 | ebbs | hark, overwrites this daemon the file with every startup? |
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| 10:53.46 | norc | ah, just found it, xclip is it. : |
| 10:53.46 | norc | ) |
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| 11:03.50 | pyrohotdog | how can I configure the extra buttons on my keyboard? (blackbox) |
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| 11:24.46 | jm|laptop | pyrohotdog: blackbox has a utility - or you could try xbindkeys |
| 11:25.45 | LLcoolM_ | does anyone know whether the drivers for the radeon r300 cards is still under active development? |
| 11:25.56 | LLcoolM_ | i mean the free one |
| 11:25.58 | enouf | pyrohotdog: also see /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 11:28.54 | Niklas- | Hmm, if i've patched some source code with a few patches, is it then possible to remove the patches again? |
| 11:29.14 | LLcoolM_ | Niklas-: as long as you still have those patches yews |
| 11:29.14 | frostschutz | patch --reverse maybe? |
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| 11:29.30 | LLcoolM_ | Niklas-: patch -R <PATCHFILE |
| 11:29.35 | Niklas- | great thanks |
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| 11:30.40 | Niklas- | humm it failed :( |
| 11:31.48 | LLcoolM_ | Niklas-: you need to apply the patches in reverse order |
| 11:31.58 | LLcoolM_ | the patch applied at last must be reversed at first |
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| 11:32.56 | loesje | hi can somebody help me changing my resoluition to 1024? |
| 11:32.57 | Niklas- | oh i see |
| 11:33.00 | LLcoolM_ | and you need to be in the same directory as you were, when you applied the patches. also you need to use exactly the same command as before just with -R as an additional parameter. |
| 11:33.27 | loesje | i did everything but didnt work |
| 11:33.30 | Niklas- | then i dont think it's possible, its my kernel patched with some patch-o-magic stuff too |
| 11:33.32 | enouf | LLcoolM_: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg-video-ati for a start |
| 11:34.09 | LLcoolM_ | enouf: i know the package but it only contains the userspace part and no reference to whether its under development or not |
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| 11:34.52 | x_link | enouf: Are you coming over today? ;D |
| 11:35.03 | loesje | anyone?? |
| 11:35.04 | LLcoolM_ | enouf: i was more interested in the kernel-space driver as it offers 3d |
| 11:35.19 | LLcoolM_ | loesje: google for modeline |
| 11:35.28 | loesje | ok |
| 11:35.42 | enouf | LLcoolM_: so you also followed the mailing list links .. eh? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2006-September/017914.html |
| 11:36.00 | enouf | LLcoolM_: not that that ex is definitive |
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| 11:36.13 | AlexW | hello |
| 11:36.14 | MsgToThePpl | hi how do i tell aptitude not to remove unused packs ? |
| 11:36.16 | enouf | x_link: sure .. send the 747 .. I'm on it ;-) |
| 11:36.19 | AlexW | i need help with one thing |
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| 11:36.42 | loesje | i mdid that buit doesnt know anything about it |
| 11:36.47 | AlexW | im dual booting xp and linux, now xp is installed on first partition, then there is a fat32 parition then linux swap and then linux active |
| 11:36.56 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: usually aptitude knows best . I've had that issue you have as well .. did not break my system, when i let it do it's thing |
| 11:37.05 | x_link | enouf: =) |
| 11:37.10 | AlexW | i told debian to install grub |
| 11:37.11 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: I generally use apt-get though |
| 11:37.13 | MsgToThePpl | yees but removing 87 packs |
| 11:37.19 | AlexW | because i wanted to use bootpart to boot debian |
| 11:37.20 | MsgToThePpl | and kde is one of them is not good |
| 11:37.27 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: you can place pkgs on "hold" |
| 11:37.30 | AlexW | how do i install grub if i cant boot into debian :P |
| 11:37.34 | enouf | !hold |
| 11:37.35 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 11:37.41 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: ^^ |
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| 11:38.11 | MsgToThePpl | repat that for 87 packs |
| 11:38.14 | MsgToThePpl | is not easy |
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| 11:38.37 | AlexW | how do i install grub if i cant boot into debian :P |
| 11:39.01 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: apt-get install aptitude-doc-en (or your native lang version) |
| 11:39.06 | stefano | AlexW: boot with a knoppix or so, chroot into the debian and install grub |
| 11:40.48 | AlexW | thanks |
| 11:42.03 | AlexW | can i install grub to the / linux partition? |
| 11:42.13 | AlexW | or do i need to make a new boot partition |
| 11:42.40 | stefano | AlexW: you can install grub on the /boot of the linux partition. which file system did you choose for your linux installation? |
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| 11:42.41 | enouf | AlexW: yes .. but if it exists within a windoze ext'd you may have an issue |
| 11:43.11 | MsgToThePpl | found solution: just type aptitude then 'g' then hit '+' |
| 11:43.13 | loesje | anybody who can help me??? |
| 11:43.27 | enouf | AlexW: some overall info http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm |
| 11:43.37 | enouf | MsgToThePpl: see ? :-p |
| 11:43.46 | AlexW | just the automatic |
| 11:43.53 | MsgToThePpl | enouf prrrrrrr |
| 11:44.50 | enouf | !tell loesje about drxx |
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| 11:45.38 | enouf | loesje: you may want to also ; apt-get install hwinfo lshw dmidecode .. then run hwinfo --monitor to find supported resolutions/info |
| 11:45.39 | AlexW | so delete the windows fat partition |
| 11:45.52 | AlexW | how big does /boot need to be roughly |
| 11:46.01 | enouf | AlexW: depends what's on it |
| 11:46.18 | AlexW | well roughly |
| 11:46.23 | enouf | AlexW: 100MB is usually plenty, but bigger won't hurt ;-) |
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| 11:47.42 | Gnea | hey, has anyone had a problem when their system boots up (branch doesn't matter) where hwclock sets the wrong timestamp before disks are fscked? |
| 11:47.50 | ofer0 | yeah, I use 512MB because I like keeping old kernels. |
| 11:48.14 | AlexW | well / already has /boot |
| 11:48.16 | enouf | ofer0: :-) .. me too .. but only a few |
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| 11:48.19 | enouf | du -h /boot |
| 11:48.20 | enouf | 200K /boot/grub |
| 11:48.20 | enouf | 19M /boot |
| 11:48.30 | AlexW | so should i just use grub for windoze and linux |
| 11:48.41 | Gnea | when my system boots up, hwclock resets the system clock to 2008, proceeds to fsck the disks because they're outside of tolerable time range for non-fscking, then proceeds to run ntpdate to reset the system's clock |
| 11:48.51 | enouf | AlexW: absotively \o/ .. or just dump windonts |
| 11:48.56 | ofer0 | 173M /boot |
| 11:49.12 | enouf | AlexW: is that fat partition a "rescue" or "diagnostic" partition?> |
| 11:49.17 | Tallu | AlexW: personally i dont see why you'd want to use windows on the same computer.. but well. yes. grub to mbr. |
| 11:49.27 | AlexW | no its just storage |
| 11:49.30 | enouf | ofer0: many mnay kerneled debianista ;-) |
| 11:49.37 | AlexW | i use the laptop for school |
| 11:49.46 | AlexW | so chroot /mnt/hda3 |
| 11:50.04 | ofer0 | enouf, yes, I'm here since debian woody. |
| 11:50.09 | enouf | AlexW: mkdir /mnt/point 1st |
| 11:50.19 | AlexW | well knoppix already did that |
| 11:50.30 | ofer0 | AlexW, chroot /mnt/hda3 su - |
| 11:50.32 | enouf | AlexW: no .. you do it .. umount and make a new one |
| 11:50.39 | enouf | afaik |
| 11:50.47 | ofer0 | maybe you should |
| 11:50.53 | ofer0 | or check parameters |
| 11:50.54 | AlexW | :P |
| 11:50.57 | ofer0 | mount -l |
| 11:51.02 | enouf | knoppix cloop owns it right now |
| 11:51.10 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.10 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.13 | Gnea | does that look right? |
| 11:51.15 | AlexW | ro |
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| 11:51.56 | enouf | AlexW: drop to ctrl-alt-f2 or wherever and mkdir /mnt/something/unique |
| 11:52.40 | enouf | AlexW: knoppix IIRC, only uses 4/5 ttys, so alt-F5 gets you back to X, not alt-f7 |
| 11:53.19 | AlexW | why am i making a new partition? |
| 11:53.36 | enouf | AlexW: it's a new mount point not a partition |
| 11:53.47 | enouf | no go and read :-P |
| 11:53.50 | enouf | now* |
| 11:53.56 | AlexW | mount* |
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| 11:54.27 | enouf | ok .. try and right to a ro mount .. be my guest :-P |
| 11:54.34 | enouf | er write* |
| 11:55.08 | enouf | better yet .. why not remount it rw .. go ahead :-PPP |
| 11:55.52 | AlexW | noauto,users,exec |
| 11:55.53 | AlexW | 0 0 |
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| 11:57.47 | pppag | I've got a WG511T pcmcia card here which is supported by madwifi drivers, but last time i installed those it didnt work. Right now I'm getting cs: cardbus cards are not supported. Can I start installing madwifi now or do I have to remove/unbind old drivers?? |
| 11:59.43 | Gnea | pppag: is this a new laptop you're using the card with? |
| 11:59.43 | pppag | nah, a really old one, like 5 yrs |
| 11:59.43 | pppag | scenic mobile 750 if you know it |
| 11:59.43 | AlexW | "/dev/null permission denied :P |
| 11:59.45 | Gnea | are you sure that the cardtype is supported by the system? |
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| 12:00.08 | pppag | Well the card worked fine with sarge, now i'm on etch |
| 12:00.27 | pppag | and it wont any more |
| 12:00.55 | AlexW | i run "/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda" once ive chroot'ed correct |
| 12:01.50 | Gnea | well etch isn't stable yet |
| 12:01.57 | Gnea | so probably something is wrong there |
| 12:02.11 | pppag | well yeah, but i'm trying to fix it :) |
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| 12:02.31 | Gnea | and i don't see the scenic mobile up on any of the linux laptop pages (fujitsu) |
| 12:02.57 | Gnea | so yeah, they forgot to give you a paddle before they pushed you into the river :) |
| 12:02.59 | cydork | pppag: you have build the madwifi modules? |
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| 12:03.19 | Gnea | pppag: well what kernel are you using? |
| 12:03.51 | AlexW | is there another way of installing grub? |
| 12:03.54 | pppag | gnea: 2.6.13-3-686 |
| 12:04.06 | Gnea | pppag: that's quite a bit old... try upgrading |
| 12:04.14 | pppag | gnea: sorry i meant 2.6.18 |
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| 12:04.20 | Gnea | oh ok nm |
| 12:04.40 | cydork | pppag: well try build the madwifi modules and give it a spin! |
| 12:04.43 | Gnea | pppag: what does the system say when you pop the card in? |
| 12:04.43 | pppag | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 12:05.09 | pppag | says cs:pcmcia_socket0 cardbus cards are not supported |
| 12:05.17 | pppag | cydork: tried that before, didnt help |
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| 12:05.31 | Gnea | pppag: did it say that before with sarge? |
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| 12:05.53 | pppag | gnea: no on etch, sarge it was detected fine by madwifi |
| 12:06.54 | Gnea | pppag: and you've installed madwifi in etch? |
| 12:07.12 | ebbs | hi. Is there a possibility to scroll up and down in normal ttys? |
| 12:07.16 | pppag | tried it, yes, didnt work, will try again now. |
| 12:07.38 | pppag | would you recommend installing madwifi the debian way or by hand? |
| 12:08.07 | Gnea | ebbs: shift+pageup|pagedown only if you don't switch ttys |
| 12:08.19 | Gnea | pppag: the debian way only |
| 12:08.22 | hark | ebbs: shift + PgUp/Down |
| 12:08.46 | Gnea | pppag: support for the non-debian way is not supported here :) |
| 12:08.53 | ebbs | Gnea, hark... thank you |
| 12:09.17 | pppag | gnea: betcha it wont work again |
| 12:09.23 | schultzconsult | Hi got at "error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/md/2p1" upon installation of etch on a box with ali sata controller... |
| 12:09.49 | Caelum | can pulseaudio use alsa? |
| 12:10.03 | Caelum | or does it use alsa by default |
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| 12:12.35 | Gnea | Caelum: according to apt-cache show pulseaudio, yes |
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| 12:13.34 | Caelum | Gnea: for some reason though, when I run pulseaudio dmix doesn't work and other alsa apps can't open the sound device |
| 12:14.07 | Caelum | and I couldn't find anything in the config about setting device output type |
| 12:17.24 | etchjster | i updated to etch before i did i had kde,gnome choices now along with those i also have a choice to select metacity but when i do all i get is grey screen? |
| 12:17.41 | xand | metacity is just a window manager |
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| 12:18.07 | etchjster | why is ther an option to use it like gnome or kde? |
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| 12:21.07 | etchjster | also when i try to use default terminal i get no xterm unable to open default terminal? |
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| 12:24.56 | enouf | etchjster: man update-alternatives |
| 12:25.31 | enouf | etchjster: take a peek in /etc/alternatives |
| 12:25.43 | etchjster | ty |
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| 12:30.19 | abhinay | hi * |
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| 12:31.35 | abhinay | when i start the gnome session the volume control going mute , why ? |
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| 12:33.41 | black_13 | !casper |
| 12:33.55 | black_13 | what is casper? |
| 12:34.03 | sussudio | die? |
| 12:36.37 | Caelum | abhinay: is it not mute before you start gnome session? |
| 12:36.57 | abhinay | Caelum: no |
| 12:37.22 | Caelum | check sound properties in gnome-control-center then |
| 12:37.27 | abhinay | Caelum: every time i am doing unmute manually when i start session |
| 12:37.40 | Caelum | but that's weird |
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| 12:39.16 | hark | abhinay: you mean on every reboot? |
| 12:39.27 | abhinay | hark: yes |
| 12:39.41 | hark | etch? |
| 12:39.45 | abhinay | yes |
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| 12:40.10 | hark | install alsa-utils |
| 12:40.16 | abhinay | ok |
| 12:41.05 | hark | and might as well do a dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 12:41.30 | abhinay | hark: ok |
| 12:42.01 | biloti | Have someone ever tried tutos? I'm in trouble trying installing it... |
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| 12:42.59 | hark | biloti: any errors... |
| 12:43.00 | abhinay | can i compile & run Gnome 2.16 on etch ? |
| 12:43.33 | hark | if you want to... |
| 12:44.17 | biloti | hark: I'm apt-get everthing (apache, php suport, postgres, and tutos2). Apache + php works fine. Postgres seems to work, but when installing tutos it can't connect to postgres |
| 12:44.32 | abhinay | hark: does it make any problems ? any issues in that ? |
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| 12:45.00 | biloti | hark: but trying to connect through psql works |
| 12:45.20 | petemc | abhinay: you would need to know what you are doing to attempt that, and you'll find support to be thin on the ground |
| 12:45.22 | cydork | abhinay: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 12:46.42 | hark | biloti: check the bts maybe? |
| 12:46.52 | biloti | bts? |
| 12:47.05 | hark | !tell biloti -about bts |
| 12:47.29 | biloti | Oh. I see |
| 12:47.38 | abhinay | compiling thing is easy for me, except, if it makes any trouble :p |
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| 12:48.13 | biloti | It seems the problem is something with my instalation instead a tutos or debian package problem |
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| 12:51.12 | tuvwx | in xfce, xfdesktop and xfce menu button on the pannel are using 350MB VIRT each! is that normal? it's bad anyway. at least nothing takes as much in gnome |
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| 12:52.23 | AlexW | where are the linux headers |
| 12:52.35 | AlexW | "Under Ubuntu use the sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` command." |
| 12:52.58 | petemc | AlexW: sarge? |
| 12:53.07 | AlexW | yeaH |
| 12:53.17 | petemc | kernel-headers |
| 12:53.57 | AlexW | there are none for my kernel |
| 12:54.15 | petemc | are you using a sarge kernel? |
| 12:54.24 | AlexW | yeah |
| 12:54.24 | AlexW | 2.6 |
| 12:54.33 | AlexW | 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 12:54.33 | petemc | what does uname -r say? |
| 12:54.42 | AlexW | 2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 12:55.12 | petemc | you could try kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 |
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| 12:55.38 | AlexW | ive only got dvd >_< |
| 12:55.45 | AlexW | im trying to install ndiswrappers |
| 12:55.48 | AlexW | to get wireless working |
| 12:56.09 | scv | oh |
| 12:56.14 | hark | or try snapshot.debian.net |
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| 12:57.09 | scv | AlexW, are you using a laptop? |
| 12:57.48 | AlexW | yes |
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| 12:58.23 | heh_v_water | AlexW, the headers packages i Sarge are named like this kernel-headers-2.6-686 |
| 12:58.41 | scv | is the ndiswrappers the only one solution? |
| 12:58.53 | AlexW | maybe madwifi might work |
| 12:59.07 | heh_v_water | AlexW, apt-cache search kernel-headers-2.6 |
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| 12:59.25 | AlexW | returns nothing |
| 12:59.29 | AlexW | i only have the one dvd |
| 12:59.57 | heh_v_water | AlexW, and no network connection? |
| 13:00.01 | scv | the debian DVD? |
| 13:00.13 | AlexW | yes binary-1 |
| 13:00.19 | AlexW | network is the same, no drivers |
| 13:00.22 | AlexW | typical acer :P |
| 13:00.31 | AlexW | i have a method which is putting files onto fat32 in windows |
| 13:00.46 | heh_v_water | AlexW, you need to find out what chipsets those use, your probably better off working on the wired one first |
| 13:00.58 | AlexW | its using |
| 13:01.03 | AlexW | Marvell Yukko 2 |
| 13:01.09 | scv | lol |
| 13:01.18 | scv | Yukon 2? |
| 13:01.20 | AlexW | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.37 | scv | oh, it's the module "sky2" |
| 13:02.15 | scv | you can use the "skge2" too |
| 13:02.25 | scv | s/skge2/skge |
| 13:02.33 | scv | modprobe them |
| 13:02.46 | scv | :) |
| 13:02.52 | AlexW | i tried that at the start! |
| 13:02.55 | AlexW | and it did nothing |
| 13:02.57 | AlexW | came up with error |
| 13:02.59 | scv | ? |
| 13:03.03 | scv | why? |
| 13:03.06 | AlexW | asked for irq inputs |
| 13:03.11 | scv | ... |
| 13:03.52 | AlexW | i have no idea |
| 13:04.18 | AlexW | how do i do that modprove |
| 13:04.20 | scv | you maybe need to configure the bios first |
| 13:04.29 | AlexW | but it works fine in winblows |
| 13:04.38 | scv | oh |
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| 13:04.56 | AlexW | how do i modprobe? |
| 13:05.20 | scv | just do: modprove sky2 |
| 13:05.24 | scv | modprobe |
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| 13:05.38 | scv | and do: lsmod |
| 13:05.40 | AlexW | Module sky2 not found :P |
| 13:05.44 | scv | ... |
| 13:05.57 | AlexW | lol |
| 13:06.00 | scv | try the module "skge" |
| 13:06.12 | scv | the old one |
| 13:06.28 | AlexW | not found either |
| 13:06.33 | scv | ... |
| 13:06.40 | AlexW | is there the network card wizard? |
| 13:06.44 | AlexW | how do i run that? |
| 13:07.30 | scv | AlexW, you have run out of luck |
| 13:07.32 | AlexW | :P |
| 13:07.41 | AlexW | it was working fine before |
| 13:07.48 | scv | you need to compile a new kernel |
| 13:07.52 | AlexW | :| |
| 13:07.59 | scv | :] |
| 13:08.04 | AlexW | eww :P |
| 13:08.12 | AlexW | will apt-get do it for me :) |
| 13:08.27 | scv | my marvell giga ethernet chip is ok |
| 13:08.35 | scv | I am happy |
| 13:08.45 | AlexW | do you use 2.6? |
| 13:08.57 | scv | of course |
| 13:09.00 | scv | why not? |
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| 13:09.18 | scv | my kernel is 2.6.16 |
| 13:09.42 | AlexW | can i download the kernel-headers somehow |
| 13:09.50 | eps | yes |
| 13:10.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 721] by debhelper |
| 13:10.11 | heh_v_water | packages.debian.org |
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| 13:10.25 | Tallu | AlexW: apt-cache search linux-headers if you're using 2.6 |
| 13:10.30 | |DuReX| | hi dear people :) |
| 13:10.32 | AlexW | its not in there |
| 13:10.47 | scv | hi, |DuReX| |
| 13:11.02 | Tallu | are you searching for linux-headers and not kernel-headers? |
| 13:11.03 | heh_v_water | Tallu, he has no working network interfaces and only DVD 1 |
| 13:11.10 | Tallu | ahhhh ok |
| 13:11.11 | |DuReX| | i got a shitty problem :( my box 'crashed' |
| 13:11.17 | |DuReX| | its a remote box |
| 13:11.39 | streuner | !nickometer |DuReX| |
| 13:11.40 | Tallu | sorry my bad, i just got off the phone |
| 13:11.41 | dpkg | '|DuReX|' is 32.000% lame, streuner |
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| 13:11.51 | AlexW | You have searched for packages that names contain linux-headers-2.6.8 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 13:11.53 | streuner | |DuReX|: change your nick |
| 13:11.55 | |DuReX| | if i ssh with debug, i see it makes connection but i get: ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer |
| 13:12.02 | dup | ;) |
| 13:12.16 | streuner | dup: so you don't have direct access to that box? |
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| 13:12.37 | dup | i can but its not easy, it would really help to get it rebooted remotely |
| 13:13.02 | streuner | dup: what happens if you ssh to that box again? |
| 13:13.10 | scv | AlexW, anyway, the marvell chip seems to be slower than the rtl-8139 |
| 13:13.23 | AlexW | You have searched for packages that names contain linux-headers-2.6.8-2-386 in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. |
| 13:13.23 | AlexW | :P |
| 13:13.24 | dup | i get: debug1: Connection established. |
| 13:13.30 | dup | and then the error :( |
| 13:13.31 | martianixor | hello everyone |
| 13:13.32 | AlexW | useless package search |
| 13:13.39 | martianixor | http://pastebin.ca/346533 |
| 13:13.47 | streuner | dup: so the ssh server is still running on that box? |
| 13:13.48 | heh_v_water | AlexW, search for kernel-headers-2.6 |
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| 13:14.16 | dup | streuner, seems so, but i cant login |
| 13:14.49 | bellemerlord | Please help: is it possible to do a netinstall of etch through a atheros-based wireless lan card? |
| 13:15.10 | scv | ??? |
| 13:15.29 | streuner | dup: what did you change? |
| 13:15.31 | scv | bellemerlord, why not? |
| 13:15.36 | AlexW | im gathering kernel-headers-2.6.8-2_2.6.8-16sarge1_i386.deb is correct |
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| 13:15.54 | bellemerlord | scv the card doesnt work |
| 13:15.59 | dup | streuner: nothing, i bet those crap drivers from the raid controller fucked up again, and creating high load |
| 13:16.14 | heh_v_water | bellemerlord, I would imagine if you built your own kernel and installer but no, not with the standard setup |
| 13:16.36 | scv | bellemerlord, oh i see, you mean you wantto install it from the scratch |
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| 13:16.41 | k31th | When you setup sw raid1 in debian... you install bootloader to /dev/sda1 ? do you have to manually copy any thing to /dev/sdb1? |
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| 13:17.09 | etchjster | no keith |
| 13:17.22 | k31th | etchjster: no to wat? |
| 13:17.34 | k31th | installing it to /dev/sda1 is current? |
| 13:17.48 | k31th | my two drives are /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:17.52 | bellemerlord | heh_v_water are the drivers included in the normal install-cds? |
| 13:18.01 | scv | bellemerlord, if you are using a laptop, it must has a non-wireless ethernet chip |
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| 13:18.36 | streuner | !nickometer versuchsanstalt |
| 13:18.38 | dpkg | 'versuchsanstalt' is 0.000% lame, streuner |
| 13:18.49 | heh_v_water | bellemerlord, I'm not totally sure but I believe if you have the entire cd or vd set you can install madwifi |
| 13:18.51 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: take that :-) |
| 13:19.05 | versuchsanstalt | :-) zero percent |
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| 13:19.11 | bellemerlord | all 14 cds? |
| 13:19.13 | versuchsanstalt | gotta ask some lame questions then. |
| 13:19.14 | dup | streuner: u have no id how i could reboot the box remotely ? :s |
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| 13:19.42 | AlexW | errors at start up time :P if it boots i should just ignore them right? |
| 13:19.48 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: sure, you don't have 'weird' letters and no capital letters there |
| 13:19.50 | heh_v_water | bellemerlord, I would recommend that yes because you need several packages in order to compile kernel modules |
| 13:20.28 | saftsack | hi, i have a hfs+ partition and i want to access all files there with my user account. so i set the nosuid option at mounting but it isnt possible for my user acc to reach my homedir there |
| 13:20.37 | bellemerlord | puh, ok, i think i stay with U....u |
| 13:20.37 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: but it sounds like i would such^Hk in english, does it? ;-) |
| 13:21.03 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: heh? |
| 13:21.06 | heh_v_water | bellemerlord, maybe someone in here might know if a specific cd or two contains all the module and kernel packaging software, module sources, and compilers |
| 13:21.34 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: dont mind, i'm talking bs |
| 13:22.35 | streuner | dup: call your local electricity dealer, they should cut those 5 seconds ;-) |
| 13:23.10 | streuner | dup: what else is available there, only ssh? |
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| 13:26.07 | aszxc | hi |
| 13:26.16 | aszxc | how can i remove my disks from raid1 ? |
| 13:26.23 | aszxc | without data loss |
| 13:27.32 | Kevin` | aszxc man mdadm |
| 13:27.42 | versuchsanstalt | do i need a custom kernel for xfs (the filesystem) support? |
| 13:28.11 | aszxc | Kevin` my root partition is on that disk, will it work ? |
| 13:28.14 | enouf | why would you?? |
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| 13:28.23 | aszxc | Kevin` or do i need to umount it first ? |
| 13:28.33 | Kevin` | aszxc it will work as long as you don't remove both disks |
| 13:28.41 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: no |
| 13:28.56 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: xfs is well supported |
| 13:29.06 | aszxc | Kevin` ah, so i can remove only one, then edit /etc/fstab to mount this removed disk, reboot and remove the second ? |
| 13:29.09 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: in Debian kernels ;-) |
| 13:29.17 | AlexW | what package is needed to get |
| 13:29.20 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: then i must have a strange kernel (demudi, kinda old). thanks |
| 13:29.37 | AlexW | to get /lib/modules/2.6/build |
| 13:29.41 | AlexW | the build command? |
| 13:29.43 | AlexW | is it source |
| 13:29.46 | versuchsanstalt | should upgrade to testing anyway |
| 13:29.59 | Kevin` | aszxc check if you can mount it first, I think you might have problems with the raid superblock - you might have to copy the data to the second disk. |
| 13:30.17 | streuner | knusper:/boot# grep -i xfs config-2.6.18-1-486 |
| 13:30.17 | streuner | CONFIG_XFS_FS=m |
| 13:30.18 | AlexW | kernel-source-2.6.8-2 |
| 13:30.37 | AlexW | or something |
| 13:30.57 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/fs/xfs |
| 13:30.57 | enouf | /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko |
| 13:30.59 | versuchsanstalt | ah, i guess i should check for modules also... :-) |
| 13:31.10 | AlexW | what do i need to get the to get /lib/modules/2.6/build command |
| 13:31.22 | aszxc | Kevin` ok, thnx. i hope it will not broke anything, cos i'm doing it remotely :) |
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| 13:31.33 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: but keep in mind, XFS is weird, if you have a problem, you usually need a backup then... |
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| 13:31.41 | scv | oh |
| 13:32.06 | eisen_ | when make-kpkg creates a third-party-modules package is it considered a bug when files inside the package conflict with files in the kernel-image package? |
| 13:32.54 | eisen_ | files like /lib/modules/foo/modules.alias and such belong to both packages. |
| 13:33.09 | Kevin` | how did I get disconnected? |
| 13:33.27 | Tallu | 15:31:35 -!- Kevin` [i=kevin@kwzs.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] |
| 13:33.27 | Tallu | 15:31:40 -!- Kevin` [i=kevin@kwzs.be] has joined #debian |
| 13:33.28 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.34 | Kevin` | odd |
| 13:33.42 | scv | what? |
| 13:33.42 | streuner | !filesystems |
| 13:33.43 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: no, it's only a few partitions with old crap i want to backup. i dont like xfs that much. |
| 13:33.43 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use ext3, or see http://fsbench.netnation.com/ |
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| 13:34.42 | scv | dpkg is wrong |
| 13:34.47 | AlexW | a program needs /lib/modules/2.6/build what includes this |
| 13:34.50 | AlexW | kernel-source? |
| 13:34.53 | versuchsanstalt | ext3 ist fast enough for my audio stuff |
| 13:34.57 | scv | the ext3 is not a good choice |
| 13:35.09 | versuchsanstalt | at least it has been for quite a while now |
| 13:35.12 | Kevin` | scv i've always had very good experiences with ext3 |
| 13:35.16 | streuner | scv: do you know what ext3 is? |
| 13:35.17 | scv | do you know why? |
| 13:35.22 | enouf | !tell AlexW -about build-essential |
| 13:35.23 | versuchsanstalt | scv: tell me |
| 13:35.37 | scv | "it's secret", hehehe |
| 13:35.51 | streuner | !shoot scv |
| 13:35.53 | versuchsanstalt | oh, is it. i didnt think it was... |
| 13:35.58 | scv | you would know that, somedays |
| 13:36.06 | enouf | nice choice of weaponry dpkg |
| 13:36.08 | scv | :) |
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| 13:36.20 | AlexW | lol |
| 13:36.21 | AlexW | "or apt-get install build-essential; to be able to compile shit" |
| 13:36.31 | versuchsanstalt | !tinfoil scv |
| 13:36.32 | dpkg | scv: If you really are going to be that vague, you should take off your tinfoil hat so that we could read your mind. |
| 13:36.32 | AlexW | i dont wanna compile shit :P |
| 13:36.32 | enouf | yep |
| 13:36.42 | scv | hahaha |
| 13:37.12 | versuchsanstalt | dpkg, you surprise me everytime i talk to you. |
| 13:37.28 | versuchsanstalt | !cookie dpkg |
| 13:37.41 | AlexW | basically the error is "cannot find kernel build files" |
| 13:37.50 | versuchsanstalt | well, no. enough o that |
| 13:38.04 | enouf | AlexW: install your headers |
| 13:38.15 | AlexW | i did |
| 13:38.20 | liable | AlexW: linux-headers-blah |
| 13:38.21 | scv | and? |
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| 13:38.50 | enouf | AlexW: install build-essential |
| 13:38.55 | AlexW | done that as well |
| 13:39.04 | enouf | go compile |
| 13:39.05 | Kevin` | AlexW if your using 2.6.x, install the kernel source |
| 13:39.13 | scv | AlexW, had you compiled a kernel for yourself? |
| 13:39.23 | pepOSX | somebody has problem with amsn gaim xchat in etch? |
| 13:39.25 | AlexW | debian base install |
| 13:39.26 | liable | if its asking for build file, then it wants kernel headers |
| 13:39.56 | Tallu | pepOSX: havent noticed anything weird.. whats the problem? |
| 13:40.01 | Kevin` | liable building modules for 2.6 uses more then the headers |
| 13:40.05 | liable | pepOSX: if they did, they prolly filed a bug.. |
| 13:40.12 | AlexW | so whats the source file |
| 13:40.16 | liable | Kevin`: oh? do tell. |
| 13:40.18 | AlexW | just kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 13:40.27 | pepOSX | tailu frozen all |
| 13:40.27 | enouf | when did he mention anything about "modules" ? |
| 13:40.33 | Kevin` | liable no time, remind me later sometime or look up the 2.6 build system, have to go |
| 13:40.34 | liable | Kevin`: such as? |
| 13:40.49 | AlexW | im trying to install ndis wrapper |
| 13:40.55 | scv | ... |
| 13:41.00 | liable | Kevin`: c'mon, it wont take long. |
| 13:41.14 | enouf | ndiswrapper.sf.net .. follow directions |
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| 13:41.34 | pepOSX | Tallu* |
| 13:41.58 | enouf | or get a real card and toss that POS |
| 13:42.33 | scv | enouf, ??? |
| 13:42.33 | scv | enouf, a real card? |
| 13:43.02 | enouf | not you |
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| 13:43.40 | AlexW | i ran the symbolic link |
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| 13:43.49 | AlexW | its saying kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 doesnt exist |
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| 13:43.59 | AlexW | that is /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 |
| 13:44.03 | AlexW | where as it quite clearly does |
| 13:44.35 | liable | there shouldnt be a need to make a link |
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| 13:44.41 | enouf | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 13:44.55 | AlexW | 3.1 |
| 13:45.03 | enouf | cat /proc/version |
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| 13:45.29 | liable | you should have /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386(or blah) should link to /usr/src/blah |
| 13:45.54 | enouf | liable: wonder if it needs a -3-686 .. but dunno |
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| 13:46.09 | slopez | hi |
| 13:46.14 | liable | no clue, he mentioned -2 |
| 13:46.17 | slopez | i have a huge problem |
| 13:46.30 | AlexW | well its go nothing todo with the links |
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| 13:46.35 | enouf | I know .. that's a gnubooboo likely/maybe |
| 13:46.38 | AlexW | someone mentioned needing the source |
| 13:46.51 | enouf | cat /proc/version |
| 13:46.51 | scv | slopez, huge as a gozilla? |
| 13:47.10 | slopez | when i'm loging in with root user on se pd there is no problem but over ssh when i'm using su that doesn't work |
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| 13:47.36 | AlexW | Linux Version 2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:47.45 | enouf | nope .. try again |
| 13:47.50 | war | Anyone know of a network utility that will print out all of the IPs in any given subnet, for example 216.75.0.0/18 ? |
| 13:47.54 | AlexW | i cant copy and paste it all :P |
| 13:48.00 | AlexW | too much to type |
| 13:48.07 | AlexW | is there something specific your looking at |
| 13:48.38 | AlexW | heres the problem, its a laptop... i need wireless, therefore im trying to setup ndiswrapper |
| 13:49.13 | slopez | scv: if i said that starting from today at 16h (french hour) i will not have anymore acces to the pc for longtime thats huge as gozilla because it's a server :p |
| 13:49.14 | AlexW | what package is needed for building |
| 13:49.36 | scv | slopez, ... |
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| 13:50.17 | slopez | does anybody knows about that ? |
| 13:50.56 | AlexW | is kernel source required? |
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| 13:51.55 | slopez | is ther any config file for su ? |
| 13:52.42 | slopez | *there |
| 13:52.57 | xand | slopez: what do you want to do? |
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| 13:53.12 | slacker_nl | hello |
| 13:53.24 | slacker_nl | I have a question regarding newsyslog |
| 13:53.48 | slacker_nl | does anyone know how to specify a range to rotate logs? |
| 13:53.57 | slacker_nl | I want to rotate logs hourly |
| 13:54.23 | slacker_nl | the $D00-23 $D00..23 and such don't work.. |
| 13:55.08 | AlexW | does anybody have kernel-source-2.6.8-2-386 |
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| 13:55.53 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to get a complete list of all commands executed within the shell/bash ? |
| 13:56.01 | Jemt | Some sort of history/log |
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| 13:56.04 | [H]3b0R | anyone know how i switch channel window on irssi? |
| 13:56.20 | Jemt | CTRL/ALT + P/N |
| 13:56.30 | slacker_nl | [H]3b0R: esc window number |
| 13:56.32 | Jemt | [H]3b0R: Don't remember whether it is CTRL or ALT |
| 13:56.36 | versuchsanstalt | i have a partition on a disk which i dont know the filesystem of. there is (or was) data on that partition, i could see using dd and less, hexdump, strings. what could i do to find out if it is a corrupt fs i should trash or something i can still read? |
| 13:57.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | alt+channel number |
| 13:57.37 | streuner | versuchsanstalt: if your kernel supports that FS, just try 'mount' it... |
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| 13:58.14 | versuchsanstalt | streuner: i keep on adding modules and trying to mount, no xfs, no reiserfs, hmmm |
| 13:58.28 | versuchsanstalt | these were the only peculiar fs's i ever used |
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| 13:59.02 | versuchsanstalt | i'd like to verify that its broken, you see, so i can trash it without regrets... :-) |
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| 14:00.24 | slacker_nl | hello |
| 14:01.34 | cydork | versuchsanstalt: file -s /dev/whatever doesn't say anything about fs? |
| 14:01.35 | tuvwx | in xfce, xfdesktop and xfce menu button on the pannel are using 350MB VIRT each! is that normal? it's bad anyway. at least nothing takes as much in gnome |
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| 14:01.51 | AlexW | why wont kernel headers install build |
| 14:02.05 | cydork | tuvwx: that's not normal .. |
| 14:02.46 | tuvwx | cydork, good to know. i killed them. if it happens again then something must be wrong |
| 14:04.08 | cydork | AlexW: what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:04.49 | |capiira | hmmmm does aiglx compiz works with those debian 8x nv drivers? |
| 14:04.53 | AlexW | im trying to run "make install |
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| 14:05.14 | AlexW | but i keep getting an error that /usr/local/src/...mykeernversion/build is not present |
| 14:05.58 | cydork | AlexW: use module-assistant to build the modules if there is a package for those kernel modules. |
| 14:06.20 | mtoele | does anyone know how to "register" a script in initi.d ? script-in-etc-init.d-not-registered-via-update-rc.d |
| 14:06.27 | AlexW | im trying to install ndiswrapper |
| 14:07.06 | AlexW | lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build |
| 14:07.08 | AlexW | is missingf |
| 14:07.26 | streuner | !nickometer |capiira |
| 14:07.28 | dpkg | '|capiira' is 14.000% lame, streuner |
| 14:07.51 | streuner | |capiira: if you talking about 'nv' , no. |
| 14:07.55 | AlexW | !nickometer alexw |
| 14:07.56 | dpkg | 'alexw' is 0.000% lame, alexw |
| 14:08.06 | cydork | AlexW: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/InstallDebianSarge ;) |
| 14:08.28 | |capiira | nvidia non-free |
| 14:08.39 | [H]3b0R | !nickometer [H]3b0R |
| 14:08.41 | dpkg | '[H]3b0R' is 98.650% lame, [h]3b0r |
| 14:08.46 | [H]3b0R | ouch:P |
| 14:08.47 | cydork | heh |
| 14:08.56 | Tallu | [H]3b0R: that's quite an achievement. |
| 14:09.00 | streuner | |capiira: in order to use 'GLX' you need nvidia-glx or another videocard :-) |
| 14:09.07 | AlexW | but /lib/modules/n.n.n/build doesnt exist |
| 14:09.12 | stefano | !nickometer stefano |
| 14:09.13 | dpkg | 'stefano' is 0.000% lame, stefano |
| 14:09.18 | cydork | AlexW: read it. |
| 14:09.21 | [H]3b0R | well my nick has an meaning |
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| 14:09.34 | roe | I've got a logwatch problem, in /usr/share/logwatch/default.conf/logwatch.conf the "TmPdir=/var/cache/logwatch" but whenever I run logwatch it fills up '/' not '/var' is there a way to run the actual script in debug mode to see wehre it is writing data? |
| 14:09.35 | stefano | eheheh! |
| 14:10.05 | stefano | !nickometer dpkg |
| 14:10.06 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, stefano |
| 14:10.15 | stefano | mmm |
| 14:10.16 | cydork | stefano: you can use /msg dpkg too |
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| 14:10.37 | stefano | oh sorry...now I know cydork |
| 14:10.44 | AlexW | ive installed kernel-image |
| 14:10.56 | cydork | AlexW: and kernel headers? |
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| 14:11.07 | AlexW | yep |
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| 14:11.17 | AlexW | but it doesnt install /build |
| 14:11.22 | AlexW | :S |
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| 14:12.36 | MsgToThePpl | hi, when playing movies if i move the mouse pointer on the video window a square draw around the cursor appears, how do i fix ? |
| 14:12.38 | AlexW | its so confusing |
| 14:13.06 | mtoele | where can I find this "rc-update" ??? I think I need an rc-update add /etc/init.d/foobar 3 in my postinst |
| 14:13.45 | cydork | AlexW: there is no /lib/modules/`uname -r` ?` |
| 14:13.54 | Tallu | mtoele: update-rc.d? |
| 14:14.06 | stew | mtoele: what are you expecting "rc-update add /etc/init.d/foobar 3" to do? |
| 14:14.25 | mtoele | maybe that's the one |
| 14:14.31 | AlexW | there is |
| 14:14.38 | AlexW | but no /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
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| 14:14.51 | mtoele | stew: according to lintian I need to register my /etc/init.d/foobar script |
| 14:15.00 | mtoele | in postinst |
| 14:15.12 | ChrisGo | hello. i have debian working nicely but need to run a site off of Access whats the path or any help docs avail on that? |
| 14:15.40 | cydork | AlexW: create link ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 14:15.48 | ChrisGo | like odbc working? |
| 14:15.57 | AlexW | i dont even have kernel-source |
| 14:16.00 | ChrisGo | just looking for some advise |
| 14:16.01 | AlexW | should i install it? |
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| 14:16.15 | cydork | AlexW: bahh i meant headers |
| 14:16.36 | MsgToThePpl | hi, when playing movies if i move the mouse pointer on the video window a square draw around the cursor appears, how do i fix ? |
| 14:16.40 | maxamillion | ChrisGo: i hate to prod, but do you mind elaborating? |
| 14:16.41 | AlexW | but there is no build in /kernel-headers does that matter? |
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| 14:17.08 | stew | mtoele: are you calling dh_installinit in binary-arch or binary-inep ? |
| 14:17.12 | Halitherses | what is the best alternative to fdisk? |
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| 14:17.27 | stew | Halitherses: cfdisk? |
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| 14:17.54 | Zaggynl | Is there a way in Linux to measure PSU usage? In Watt etc |
| 14:18.07 | AlexW | cydork: there is no build in /kernel-headers does that matter? |
| 14:18.08 | frostschutz | Halitherses: cfdisk, sfdisk, ...? any special requirements? |
| 14:18.46 | cydork | AlexW: no not /kernel-headers /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 14:18.48 | maxamillion | Zaggynl: not sure to be honest, i think it would highly depend on if there is a sensor for such a thing |
| 14:18.58 | AlexW | yeah i know |
| 14:19.00 | Zaggynl | maxamillion, okay thanks |
| 14:19.03 | AlexW | but there is no build in there |
| 14:19.20 | Halitherses | frostschutz, i just want to partition a usb ide disk |
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| 14:19.50 | Halitherses | cfdisk just gives me a blank screen |
| 14:20.20 | cydork | AlexW: just this ln -s /usr/src/kernel-headers-`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 14:20.41 | AlexW | so it doesnt matter that build is not in there? |
| 14:20.46 | enouf | cydork: fwiw -- they're now linux-headers-$(uname -r) :-P |
| 14:20.46 | frostschutz | Halitherses: fdisk should work fine for that... |
| 14:20.55 | cydork | enouf: he is on sarge. |
| 14:21.06 | enouf | doh! |
| 14:21.14 | enouf | !slap me |
| 14:21.28 | cydork | AlexW: yep! just do what i said. |
| 14:21.41 | AlexW | lol ive spent 2 hrs on this |
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| 14:21.48 | dav_ | elo |
| 14:21.49 | AlexW | i think i realised what i did wrong |
| 14:21.56 | AlexW | 386 368 |
| 14:21.58 | AlexW | dyslexic :P |
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| 14:22.20 | dav_ | each time i reboot my sound config is lost, how can i resolve tha problem (i have tried alsactl store) |
| 14:22.26 | maxamillion | AlexW: lol ... if i had a dollar for everytime i did that |
| 14:22.32 | zoddan | hi, just a quick question, how do i set a static IP-adress? |
| 14:22.41 | AlexW | :P |
| 14:22.49 | dav_ | zoddan, ifconfig ethN <your ip adress> |
| 14:22.53 | enouf | cydork: btw -- the file -s /dev/whatever guy asked in another channel as well(multi-poster . whoopie) .. guess I gave him that answer a bit earlier that you .. and there he sat |
| 14:22.59 | maxamillion | zoddan: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialNetworking.html |
| 14:23.03 | Tallu | zoddan: you could also set it in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 14:23.07 | frostschutz | dav_: alsactl restore should restore what you stored earlier |
| 14:23.17 | dav_ | frostschutz, thks i try it |
| 14:23.51 | enouf | a good reason to go with 686 .. dyslexia or not .. win win |
| 14:23.55 | cydork | zoddan: man interfaces is nice too :P |
| 14:24.03 | versuchsanstalt | zoddan: man interfaces |
| 14:24.09 | AlexW | :|! |
| 14:24.13 | scv | :] |
| 14:24.27 | dav_ | frostschutz, doesn't work :( |
| 14:24.37 | AlexW | thanks cydork |
| 14:24.38 | AlexW | :P |
| 14:24.47 | AlexW | i spent 2hrs for a simple dyslexic mistake |
| 14:25.01 | zoddan | anyone? |
| 14:25.07 | dav_ | frostschutz, each time i boot KDE say something like /dev/dsp No such device for playback ... but the device exist and work after an alsaconf |
| 14:25.16 | cydork | dav_: you have alsa-utils installed? |
| 14:25.18 | rgsteele | zoddan: Edit your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 14:25.33 | frostschutz | dav_: ah. that's a different problem. alsactl store / restore is just for mixer settings |
| 14:25.34 | zoddan | oki |
| 14:25.37 | AlexW | warning: type defaults to 'int' in declaration of 'wfastcall' |
| 14:25.43 | versuchsanstalt | zoddan: you could read the "interfaces" manpage |
| 14:25.55 | ChrisGo | does Linux cure morning gas? |
| 14:25.55 | zoddan | rgsteele: thanks |
| 14:25.58 | rgsteele | zoddan: Somethign like: iface eth0 inet static |
| 14:25.59 | dav_ | frostschutz, yes but it work after a alsaconf ... |
| 14:26.00 | rgsteele | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.01 | rgsteele | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.05 | enouf | AlexW: you can't read for shit --> 3. "ln -s /usr/src/kernel-source-n.n.n /lib/modules/n.n.n/build" taken from the URL both I and cydork gave you.. |
| 14:26.15 | zoddan | rgsteele: route to? |
| 14:26.25 | rgsteele | zoddan: What? |
| 14:26.31 | zoddan | "route" |
| 14:26.49 | AlexW | That worked fine, but now warning: type defaults to 'int' in declaration of 'wfastcall' |
| 14:27.01 | rgsteele | zoddan: I don't know what you're talking about... got any more context to the question? |
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| 14:27.11 | enouf | RTFM! |
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| 14:27.35 | rgsteele | zoddan: Or, what enouf said. |
| 14:27.35 | rgsteele | !giyf |
| 14:27.35 | dpkg | somebody said giyf was Google Is Your Friend |
| 14:27.35 | AlexW | ... /usr/src/kernel-source-n.n.n NO such thing |
| 14:27.44 | AlexW | ... /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8 NO such thing |
| 14:27.45 | enouf | foo BAR baz |
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| 14:27.48 | zoddan | rgsteele: well thanks |
| 14:27.59 | rgsteele | zoddan: Sure |
| 14:28.04 | enouf | !versions |
| 14:28.05 | zoddan | iface eth0 inet static |
| 14:28.05 | zoddan | address 192.168.0.111 |
| 14:28.05 | zoddan | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 14:28.05 | zoddan | gateway 192.168.0.1 |
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| 14:28.11 | enouf | !versioning |
| 14:28.12 | maxamillion | lol |
| 14:28.17 | enouf | sob |
| 14:28.23 | zoddan | sry |
| 14:28.29 | zoddan | rgsteele: right? |
| 14:28.46 | rgsteele | zoddan: Something like that, yes..... |
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| 14:29.24 | Ny-Ty | i need cd rw software for linux |
| 14:29.27 | Ny-Ty | whats its name ? |
| 14:29.33 | petemc | k3b is one app |
| 14:29.39 | enouf | cdrkit, k3b and many others |
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| 14:29.46 | rgsteele | Say, anybody got any more scalable solution to referer spam than editing the Apache config and filtering based on regexes/keywords? |
| 14:29.52 | AlexW | maybe i need gcc3.4 |
| 14:29.57 | maxamillion | Ny-Ty: gnome-baker or graveman are my cd writer recommendations |
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| 14:30.01 | Ny-Ty | thx |
| 14:30.12 | Flimzy | Ny-Ty: There are many front-ends... most of them use cdrw or cdrecord |
| 14:30.23 | Flimzy | Ny-Ty: XCdroast is a good frontend... but there are many others, too |
| 14:30.28 | enouf | !tell Ny-Ty -about search |
| 14:30.43 | Ny-Ty | thx |
| 14:30.43 | ChrisGo | anyone do mapguide open source server here on debian? |
| 14:30.50 | xand | !anyone |
| 14:30.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 14:31.37 | botvik | Hello! I'am new at debian and I'am using the minimal cd for installing the OS. But under the installation the OS tells that the mount of the CD could not be done. Does this matter since I'am going to install it via internet and how do I do that? |
| 14:31.37 | ChrisGo | well I realize you have all kinds of rules but just wondering for a basic convo and tips and tricks |
| 14:31.41 | nOp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:31.56 | ChrisGo | how do you install mapguide open source on debian? |
| 14:31.59 | Zaggynl | heh |
| 14:32.55 | ekkikrist | botvik: The cd must be mounted,yes, even for net install |
| 14:33.03 | versuchsanstalt | ChrisGo: did you ask google? did you ask apt-get.org? :-) |
| 14:33.32 | ChrisGo | its fairly new so no packages |
| 14:33.33 | botvik | then the cd is probably "unreadable" and the solutions are, clean the CD or burn a new one? |
| 14:33.35 | ChrisGo | I WISH though |
| 14:34.23 | ChrisGo | http://mapguide.osgeo.org/ is the main page can someone make a package its gona be hot |
| 14:34.41 | ekkikrist | botvik: It could be that or perhaps it's connected in some way which requires a driver that is not on the netinst cd |
| 14:35.04 | pepOSX | how i can do for use amsn with tcl8.3 ? cos if i do aptitude install amsn get tcl8.4 |
| 14:35.14 | ekkikrist | botvik: but I've only had that happen on a few types of hardware |
| 14:35.35 | versuchsanstalt | ChrisGo: go ahead, make a package! (http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapguide-users/2006-June/001692.html is from 2006, seems like somebody already tried...) |
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| 14:38.57 | janttsu | do you know what i need for my multimedia -keyboard to work? i remember that when i was using ubuntu, my volume controls at the keyboard did work. but now i'm using etch and have no idea about what i should install |
| 14:49.12 | ChrisGo | weeeeeee! |
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| 14:51.03 | cydork | botvik: are you using sata cd drive? with rc 1 installer? |
| 14:51.03 | botvik | damn |
| 14:51.03 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 14:51.10 | pepOSX | :S |
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| 14:51.37 | ChrisGo | I dont have the first idea on making instalelrs for debian though |
| 14:51.37 | sussudio | arse |
| 14:51.37 | versuchsanstalt | spectaculous |
| 14:51.37 | versuchsanstalt | what is this? |
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| 14:51.39 | badbugs | Hello World |
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| 14:51.49 | botvik | Damn, it was not the CD, I've burned a new one and got the same error. |
| 14:51.49 | zoddan^wrk | do i need to have a broadcast adress in my interface config? |
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| 14:51.52 | cydork | botvik: do you have a sata cdrom? are you installing with rc 1 installer? |
| 14:51.52 | zriah | Hi all. I've setup a tftpd service and for some reason, from remote machines, I can't get any files. I can get them with the local client. Remote machines timeout, although I can see the connection in the daemon.log and the text "trying to get file: foo.txt" Any ideas? This machine is multihomed, I thought it may have something to do with that. |
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| 14:51.55 | botvik | Its for a laptop and how can I check if I run the rc 1 installer? |
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| 14:51.58 | AlexW | how would i easily rebuild kernel |
| 14:51.59 | Justin | botvik: install from a usb drive? |
| 14:51.59 | Justin | AlexW: you don't |
| 14:51.59 | AlexW | lol |
| 14:52.00 | h3sp4wn | AlexW: use kernel-package |
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| 14:52.00 | botvik | nope. |
| 14:52.00 | botvik | Here I found something when I ran the "Check the CD-ROM(s) integrity" that it did not found the modules for the network card :S |
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| 14:52.00 | AlexW | FATEL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (lib.....): Invalid module format |
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| 14:52.01 | h3sp4wn | ndiswrapper needs to be built with at least gcc-3.4 |
| 14:52.02 | h3sp4wn | so that means you need your kernel built with gcc-3.4 |
| 14:52.15 | stew | !invalid module format |
| 14:52.15 | dpkg | it has been said that invalid module format is the error you get when you try to load a kerenl module which was compiled with a incompatibily different version of gcc from the versio nused to compiled the kernel. "cat /proc/version" will tell you what version of gcc was used to compile the kernel |
| 14:52.17 | stew | AlexW: ^^ |
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| 14:52.22 | botvik | Damn could I do something from the shell then? Because now I have no CD-ROMS left :( |
| 14:52.25 | AlexW | lol |
| 14:52.29 | AlexW | i edidted the Makefile |
| 14:52.39 | AlexW | cc=gcc-3.4 |
| 14:52.40 | AlexW | :P |
| 14:52.49 | AlexW | and its 3.3.5 |
| 14:52.53 | AlexW | complied |
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| 14:53.05 | stew | AlexW: you shouldn't modify the makefile, you should be using the CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 env variable |
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| 14:53.44 | AlexW | so how do i rebuild it with 3.4 |
| 14:54.37 | h3sp4wn | The problem is ndiswrapper requires 3.4 or greater |
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| 14:54.59 | AlexW | so how do i rebuild that |
| 14:55.01 | janttsu | is there a way to prevent disk writes for long as possible. noflushd does this, too but i don't want to spin down any disks.. just reduce writing / reading |
| 14:55.03 | AlexW | cause 3.4 is installed on the system |
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| 14:55.37 | h3sp4wn | (new versions of it anyway) |
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| 14:55.41 | setuid | What's the method to back up a list of all packages and pass them back to reinstall on another machine? Something like (pseudo) dpkg --dump | apt-get --reinstall <list> |
| 14:55.54 | AlexW | can i just force it |
| 14:55.59 | AlexW | considering 3.4 is on there |
| 14:56.30 | heh_v_water | AlexW, didn't you say your wifi device was madwifi compatible? |
| 14:56.36 | AlexW | yeah |
| 14:56.39 | AlexW | athereos |
| 14:56.41 | h3sp4wn | AlexW: man make-kpkg and /msg dpkg kp mantra - or update to etch |
| 14:56.42 | h3sp4wn | look in the man pages it tells you exactly how to do that |
| 14:56.50 | heh_v_water | AlexW, why are you messing with ndiswrapper then? |
| 14:56.52 | stew | !install madwifi |
| 14:56.57 | stew | !madwifi-install |
| 14:56.58 | dpkg | hmm... madwifi-install is to install madwifi on sarge: add "deb http://debian.isg.ee.ethz.ch/public sarge madwifi" to /etc/apt/sources.list, in etch or sid, ask me about <non-free>, then as root: "apt-get update ; apt-get install module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i madwifi". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 14:56.58 | Radiance5 | investigating |
| 14:56.59 | Nighteye | fun |
| 14:57.08 | AlexW | Checking kernel configuraion FAILED |
| 14:58.31 | botvik | I'am using the minimal CD for network install. I get an error when its time to detect and mount the CD-ROM that there are some needed drive of my hardware that are not avaible yet. How can I solve this problem without burning the "full" ISO? Can I do something from the shell or so? |
| 14:58.37 | setuid | ANyone? |
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| 14:58.59 | heh_v_water | AlexW, also you don't have to go through all that headache of recompiling the kernel and stuff.. check out module-assistant |
| 14:58.59 | enouf | stew: would a m-a prepare be apropo there, right before the m-a a-i part? |
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| 14:59.06 | AlexW | >_< |
| 14:59.11 | AlexW | means i have to go back into windows |
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| 14:59.14 | AlexW | AGAIN :P |
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| 15:00.07 | heh_v_water | AlexW, you don't have a usb memory stick? |
| 15:00.19 | AlexW | yeah u di |
| 15:00.21 | AlexW | i do |
| 15:00.48 | enouf | botvik: which arch? |
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| 15:01.00 | botvik | i386 |
| 15:01.10 | enouf | botvik: is it a Sata CD/DVD drive? |
| 15:01.51 | botvik | What does it mean when its a SATA CD/DVD? Have only heard of drives that are SATA. |
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| 15:02.42 | enouf | Serial ATA , rather than Parallel |
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| 15:03.15 | enouf | botvik: what's the cable look like? .. wide and flat? .. 40pin connector? |
| 15:03.27 | botvik | Its on a laptop. |
| 15:03.31 | enouf | heh |
| 15:03.34 | botvik | :P |
| 15:03.41 | enouf | !tell botvik about laptop |
| 15:03.52 | AlexW | !tell alexw about laptop |
| 15:04.08 | botvik | no its not a sata |
| 15:04.22 | enouf | botvik: but also .. see this to try http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto .. |
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| 15:04.36 | enouf | Oh .. ok . now you know |
| 15:04.37 | setuid | What's the method to back up a list of all packages and pass them back to reinstall on another machine? Something like (pseudo) dpkg --dump | apt-get --reinstall <list> |
| 15:04.49 | enouf | botvik: try a daily image then |
| 15:04.50 | h3sp4wn | setuid: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 15:04.50 | stew | setuid: /msg dpkg selections |
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| 15:05.17 | setuid | h3sp4wn, thanks |
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| 15:05.33 | enouf | !tell AlexW about selftell |
| 15:05.49 | botvik | Well thanks I will try that. |
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| 15:07.20 | botvik | I try install libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 15:07.23 | botvik | When I try: install libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 15:07.25 | botvik | install libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
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| 15:07.53 | stew | dpkg madwifi-install =~ s#module-assistant madwifi-source kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" (or linux-headers-$(uname -r) for etch or sid)" then: "m-a a-i#module-assistant ; m-a prepare ;# |
| 15:07.53 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 15:08.46 | enouf | you syntax guru you ;-) |
| 15:08.47 | AlexW | is it possible to install dependences as well |
| 15:08.57 | AlexW | when ur doing a apt-get install |
| 15:09.05 | stew | enouf: thanks for the heads up |
| 15:09.10 | enouf | botvik: do NOT paste in the channel |
| 15:09.19 | enouf | stew: my pleasure ;-) |
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| 15:10.11 | enouf | botvik: that's only if you have a Sata CD/DVD drive .. try the daily images and find your laptop on one of the URLs dpkg told you .. |
| 15:11.51 | AlexW | how do i mount a usb thumbdrive |
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| 15:12.17 | stew | AlexW: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
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| 15:12.43 | AlexW | if its ntfs |
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| 15:15.13 | AlexW | dd /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 15:16.01 | ben23 | how can a setup multiple names for the server, at the moment instead of typing 192.168.0.7 you can type chapel2, where can this be configured |
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| 15:16.32 | heh_v_water | AlexW use dmesg and see what it got named.. it should say at the bottom sda or sdb |
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| 15:17.15 | botvik | How do I change a module? |
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| 15:18.16 | karmatronic | ben23: be more specific |
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| 15:19.05 | ben23 | how can i assign names to ip address |
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| 15:19.21 | botvik | noip |
| 15:19.40 | botvik | www.no-ip.com |
| 15:19.41 | cbr | is it theoretically safe to upgrade to experimental gcc? |
| 15:19.42 | heh_v_water | ben23, for an entire network to use or for a single machine to use? |
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| 15:20.09 | ben23 | entire network |
| 15:20.11 | karmatronic | ben23: use /etc/hosts.... |
| 15:20.19 | ben23 | on windows machines |
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| 15:20.31 | rgsteele | cbr: I would say that such an upgrade would be for "experimental purposes" |
| 15:20.34 | ben23 | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost CHAPEL2 |
| 15:20.37 | heh_v_water | ben23 you need a dns server or you need to edit the host files on each machine |
| 15:20.41 | ben23 | at the moment there is that |
| 15:20.45 | ben23 | oh |
| 15:20.58 | cbr | rgsteele: it wont render my rig unusable? |
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| 15:21.05 | cbr | that's the only thing i'm interested in :p |
| 15:21.09 | botvik | In the detection of the CD-ROM in my debian install it sais that the unavailible modules are '8139too'. And on one of the linux laptop pages I found that it should be '8139cp'. How could I fix that? |
| 15:21.10 | rgsteele | cbr: It's not guaranteeing that there won't be bugs. |
| 15:21.14 | karmatronic | add something like 192.168.2.4 funky |
| 15:21.21 | ben23 | ok |
| 15:21.23 | ben23 | thanks |
| 15:21.23 | cbr | rgsteele: yah, i'm bored :p |
| 15:21.24 | erchache | when execute rsnapshot this appears: require Lchown |
| 15:21.24 | erchache | Lchown module not found |
| 15:21.37 | erchache | how i can install it? i cant find it on perl package |
| 15:21.40 | rgsteele | cbr: If you want my opinion, I would certainly not do it on a production box. |
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| 15:21.55 | rgsteele | cbr: But if you're bored and it's on some playtoy, go ahead, but be prepared to roll back :) |
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| 15:22.02 | erchache | and where i can find rsync error list? |
| 15:22.05 | Wanderer | Morning all |
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| 15:22.14 | Wanderer | I have a quick question on network devices.... |
| 15:22.16 | rgsteele | Wanderer: Top of the morning. |
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| 15:22.36 | rgsteele | ...and why I used it |
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| 15:23.01 | Wanderer | We are putting a server in a datacenter. My boss is in another state doing the physical install. We're relaying via sms. We configured the machine for eth0 and eth1, for rj45 copper nics |
| 15:23.22 | Wanderer | Any idea by default what the device would be for a fibre network adapter? |
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| 15:23.25 | Bert- | hello there |
| 15:23.29 | botvik | In the detection of the CD-ROM in my debian install it sais that the unavailible modules are '8139too'. And on one of the linux laptop pages I found that it should be '8139cp'. How could I fix that? |
| 15:23.39 | petemc | Wanderer: get him to look in dmesg |
| 15:23.42 | Bert- | I would like to know if there is a way to be sure my cpu is 64bits |
| 15:23.50 | Bert- | (it is an intel, only remote access) |
| 15:24.09 | Bert- | proc/cpuinfo says nothing about that |
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| 15:24.49 | sep | Wanderer, or use lspci to get the chipset and load the module. |
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| 15:24.58 | h3sp4wn | Bert-: whether its running a 64 bit os or whether it is a cpu capable of running a 64 bit os ? |
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| 15:25.21 | andriijas | how do i check what webserver a site is running? |
| 15:25.27 | Bert- | no |
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| 15:25.31 | Bert- | if cpu is a 64bit |
| 15:25.37 | tim|mac | hi all, quick question, which kernel version does the netinstall CD for testing contain? 2.6.18? |
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| 15:25.40 | h3sp4wn | Bert-: try uname -p |
| 15:25.43 | petemc | andriijas: you can get that info from netcraft.com |
| 15:25.47 | h3sp4wn | Bert-: (might not work) |
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| 15:26.26 | solemnwarning | I've found an old US robotics hardware router that also has an LPT port and can be used as a print server |
| 15:26.29 | Bert- | nothing about 32 or 64 bits |
| 15:26.41 | solemnwarning | I've ran nmap on it and found port 515 open, so I assume it has LPD |
| 15:26.53 | h3sp4wn | Bert-: surely you can deduce from the processor name whether it is ? |
| 15:27.00 | solemnwarning | Does CUPS support printing to a remote LPD thing like that? |
| 15:27.11 | Bert- | hmm |
| 15:27.17 | Bert- | Intel Xeon |
| 15:27.28 | Bert- | I can put output of cpuinfo in pastebin |
| 15:27.29 | Bert- | :) |
| 15:27.43 | h3sp4wn | ok |
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| 15:29.13 | Bert- | http://www.pastebin.ca/347508 |
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| 15:29.35 | ben23 | how cani broadcast a message |
| 15:29.46 | ben23 | to all users |
| 15:29.58 | ben23 | in ssh |
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| 15:30.28 | h3sp4wn | use wall |
| 15:30.28 | abrotman | wall |
| 15:30.33 | ben23 | ok thanks |
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| 15:32.12 | ben23 | whats with all the spammers today |
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| 15:32.45 | h3sp4wn | Bert-: I would say it could run a 64 bit os due to the presense of the lm flag (long mode implies it can do 64 bit) |
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| 15:33.35 | Bert- | h3sp4wn, thx but I really need to be sure |
| 15:33.48 | Bert- | I'm trying to install a debian etch (netinst) |
| 15:33.52 | abrotman | Bert-: then check the website for the server manufacturer |
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| 15:34.01 | Bert- | but the host seems to be unable to boot from the 64bits cdrom |
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| 15:34.19 | Bert- | it boot from cd with a 32bits etch netinst |
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| 15:35.03 | Bert- | If my host is not 64bits capable, does it be able to boot with cdrom, then refuse to install ? |
| 15:35.10 | Bert- | or just not boot from cd at all ? |
| 15:35.14 | ben23 | wall: will not read hello - use stdin. |
| 15:35.18 | ben23 | wall -n "hello" |
| 15:35.23 | ben23 | what have i done wrong? |
| 15:35.27 | h3sp4wn | echo hello | wall |
| 15:35.33 | ben23 | ok |
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| 15:35.38 | botvik | In the detection of the CD-ROM in my debian install it sais that the unavailible modules are '8139too'. And on one of the linux laptop pages I found that it should be '8139cp'. How could I fix that? |
| 15:36.05 | abrotman | botvik: which installer ? |
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| 15:36.46 | botvik | The minimal CD-ROM network install. |
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| 15:37.24 | botvik | And also with the DVD install |
| 15:37.29 | botvik | The same for all. :( |
| 15:37.39 | abrotman | yes .. which one? sarge or etch ? |
| 15:37.49 | abrotman | and did you try the linux26 with sarge ? |
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| 15:38.14 | botvik | hmm... I downloaded the current and it was named: debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 15:38.30 | abrotman | did you try linux26 ? |
| 15:38.32 | abrotman | !ig |
| 15:38.32 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 15:39.35 | Wanderer | hmmm |
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| 15:39.49 | Wanderer | ok the server has eth0-eth3 like it used to but there's also an "eth3_rena" now |
| 15:39.52 | Wanderer | anyone know wtf? |
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| 15:40.41 | tzanger | good morning; I'm trying to verify the signature for a package .dsc file, but I can't locate the key on keyring.debian.org. Is that the right place to look? |
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| 15:41.04 | tzanger | gpg --verify /tmp/package.dsc gives the key fingerprint ID, but looking up that fingerprint returns no results |
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| 15:44.35 | evan_ | hey is there a shockwave player in debian? |
| 15:44.37 | JordiGH | Is there a way with svn to get just a directory, not the whole tree? |
| 15:44.40 | JordiGH | !flash |
| 15:44.41 | dpkg | somebody said flash was http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 15:45.11 | JordiGH | evan_: There is a free player (gnash) that works well for some things, but you'll need Adobe's non-free flash player to get everything working. |
| 15:45.15 | ChrisGo | whats the build-essentials name again? |
| 15:45.30 | ChrisGo | !essentials |
| 15:45.30 | JordiGH | !info build-essential |
| 15:45.30 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.3 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
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| 15:46.06 | egonw | I'm updating a debian/ dir: is there someone here to likes to explain me how to deal with a version number scheme change: 20060726 -> 0.99.1 ? |
| 15:46.33 | Justin | egonw: epoc? |
| 15:46.49 | h3sp4wn | egonw: tried just dch -i ? |
| 15:46.54 | Justin | egonw: er, eopch: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html |
| 15:47.00 | Bleupomme | Hi, I have a system with 2 hard drives and a sil3114 card. I would like to create a raid-1 array but it does not work. I have already installed a system on the first hard drive. What would be the best solution to at least make a 1:1 copy on the second drive? |
| 15:47.38 | egonw | Justin, h3sp4wn: ack... reading, trying... |
| 15:47.45 | Justin | Bleupomme: setup a degraded raid1 array on the second drive |
| 15:48.11 | evan_ | JordiGH isnt it macromedia flash?? |
| 15:48.31 | JordiGH | evan_: Macromedia got bought out by Adobe. |
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| 15:48.39 | evan_ | ok |
| 15:48.44 | JordiGH | evan_: You too will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. |
| 15:50.41 | Bleupomme | Justin: Could you point a package I should use for that? |
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| 15:51.08 | Justin | Bleupomme: mdadm |
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| 15:51.26 | Bleupomme | Justin: thank you |
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| 15:52.16 | Dance_4_Life | can i show simple gtk dialogs with bash command? |
| 15:52.17 | stew | Bleupomme: create a degraded raid-1 array using the second hard drive by passing it the 'missing' parameter for one drive, then copy your data to the degraded array, then add the first drive to the new array |
| 15:53.00 | Justin | Dance_4_Life: apt-cache search gtk dialog |
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| 15:53.13 | Dance_4_Life | hmm ok Justin |
| 15:53.20 | hark | Dance_4_Life: using zenity |
| 15:53.35 | stew | Dance_4_Life: if gtk isn't a strict requirement, there is xmessage |
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| 15:53.59 | Bleupomme | stew: thx will try |
| 15:54.01 | Dance_4_Life | ok thanks |
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| 15:55.44 | h3sp4wn | or xdialog |
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| 15:55.51 | stew | Bleupomme: this guide goes through that exercise as part of the install: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
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| 16:05.03 | MsgToThePpl | hi, there's a way to support wmv3 videos in vlc and similar ? |
| 16:05.11 | spindoctors | !paste# |
| 16:05.17 | spindoctors | !paste |
| 16:05.23 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:05.23 | JordiGH | wmv3? |
| 16:05.39 | JordiGH | For .wmv, it's w32codecs. |
| 16:05.42 | JordiGH | !w32codecs |
| 16:05.42 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 16:05.49 | CAiRO | argh, why can't the darn firefox not open .csv files.. |
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| 16:06.15 | egonw | Justin: does the epoc need to be part of the .orig.tar.gz filename? |
| 16:06.46 | JordiGH | CAiRO: Eh? |
| 16:06.52 | Justin | egonw: did you read the link I sent you? |
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| 16:07.11 | egonw | section 5.6.12, yes |
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| 16:07.26 | CAiRO | JordiGH: yes, go to http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=cfc.f&f=st1l1c6k2bana2vvvvv&e=.csv it only offers save file.. why not the normal open or save? actually it could display a text file (.csv is text) directly in the browser |
| 16:07.33 | Bleupomme | stew: Does this technique also work if I have an encrypted partition with cryptsetup? |
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| 16:07.49 | egonw | Justin: just noted that the epoc did not end up in the filename of the .dsc file... |
| 16:07.53 | JordiGH | CAiRO: You really want to read .csv as plaintext? |
| 16:07.54 | stew | Bleupomme: sure |
| 16:07.56 | muuhDBX | when will next version of debien going to hit the mirrors ? |
| 16:08.03 | spindoctors | wo kann ich denn denn paste machen |
| 16:08.06 | CAiRO | JordiGH: sure, why not? i expect it to only have one line |
| 16:08.08 | stew | !de |
| 16:08.08 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 16:08.14 | spindoctors | where can i paste |
| 16:08.18 | Justin | muuhDBX: sometime after it is released |
| 16:08.25 | CAiRO | JordiGH: at least it could offer that to me |
| 16:08.33 | RvGaTe | !paste |
| 16:08.33 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:08.36 | muuhDBX | why is it in prisoned Justin ? |
| 16:08.52 | stew | egonw: you only need the epoch in the changelog, not in the .orig.tar.gz |
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| 16:09.05 | CAiRO | JordiGH: i hate it when i'm forced to save a file when i actually just want to have a short look |
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| 16:09.10 | stew | muuhDBX: /msg dpkg wwer |
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| 16:09.28 | JordiGH | CAiRO: I'm thinking that you should be able to change the file associations somewhere in the Iceweasel preferences. I don't understand why it thinks that .csv is a "BIN" file. |
| 16:09.30 | stan_ | Hi! |
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| 16:09.41 | stan_ | any idea on how I can add CFLAGS to a debian package? |
| 16:09.45 | egonw | stew: ok, thanx... me is quite uncomfortable with making .deb's again... been too long... new tools, etc... :( |
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| 16:09.54 | stew | stan_: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 16:10.02 | stan_ | I added CFLAGS=... in debian/rules, but they don't seem to be taken into accont |
| 16:10.37 | stan_ | stew: ? excuse me? should I rtfm something? |
| 16:10.54 | vlt | Hello. Doeas anyone know hoe to clear spamassassin's "auto-whitelist" in ~/.spamassassin/? |
| 16:10.58 | vlt | Just delet the file? |
| 16:11.00 | CAiRO | JordiGH: why doesn't it use the gnome ones? gnome opens it in my text-editor as i like to have it |
| 16:11.01 | stew | stan_: no. you are on the right track. perhaps the makefile ignores CFLAGS? |
| 16:11.02 | vlt | delete* |
| 16:11.04 | muuhDBX | a friend of mine tells me that debian os taking so much time aprte betwen releases because the devs are afraid to run out of toy names |
| 16:11.09 | stan_ | possible, thanks. |
| 16:11.16 | sui | hello, just one question. I use debian sarge with kde-3.3. i'm looking for plastik as window decoration. do i need to add an entry in my sources.list? aptitude search plastik returns no results. |
| 16:11.22 | petemc | muuhDBX: your friend is wrong |
| 16:11.23 | Roey | they can always switch to Transformers ,then |
| 16:11.31 | stew | muuhDBX: don't be silly. they are waiting for the RC bug count to get to zero: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
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| 16:11.36 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
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| 16:12.35 | scv | hi |
| 16:12.36 | JordiGH | CAiRO: Iceweasel has its own ideas of what to do with a file. It doesn't integrate particularly well with any standard free desktop in my experience, since the upstream authors also want to make sure it plays nice with non-free OSes. |
| 16:12.48 | MsgToThePpl | installed w32codecs but vlc still doesn't play videos i hear only audio |
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| 16:13.15 | DevilChaos | i have now just 2 small problems left with my ibm thinkpad to resolve with bedian 1.bluetooth - wont find devices bluez utils and others installed but am i missing something? 2.wpa_supplicant setup i cant get this to work |
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| 16:13.45 | CAiRO | JordiGH: i've installed iceweasel-gnome-support.. should at least that package fix that? |
| 16:13.46 | stew | DevilChaos: i found that I had to switch to ehci or uhci or something to get my bluetooth working |
| 16:13.49 | PaSurf | Can anyone recommend a video conferencing software that works well with Debian sarge? |
| 16:14.03 | CAiRO | shouldn't |
| 16:14.39 | DevilChaos | stew: hi how are you ? ehci i think it is what did you do? |
| 16:14.40 | muuhDBX | gnome meting |
| 16:14.58 | JordiGH | CAiRO: Did you just do that? I don't know. Try. I don't use GNOME. |
| 16:15.02 | Trewas | CAiRO: for that particular file the http server sends "Content-Type: application/octet-stream" so from firefox point-of-view it is some random binary file, no idea what |
| 16:15.27 | CAiRO | JordiGH: no, it has always been installed since it exists |
| 16:16.01 | Trewas | CAiRO: so offering to save it is practically the only choice it has, now why internet explorer (probably) works better is that it doesn't respect content-types send by the server and looks at the file instead to determine what it is |
| 16:16.23 | CAiRO | Trewas: binary files could possibly be opened by applications too |
| 16:16.34 | stew | DevilChaos: fine thanks. happy friday. something like, turn off bluetooth, modprobe -r ohci_hcd ; modprobe ehci_hcd ; but i dont' recall exactly. i recall just using a bluetooth dongle becuase it was easier :) |
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| 16:17.14 | DevilChaos | yeah its fri i nearly forgot heh |
| 16:17.15 | Trewas | CAiRO: yes, but the browser has no idea what they should be opened with, unless they look at the file contents, and AFAIK firefox doesn't and uses only content-type |
| 16:17.22 | DevilChaos | ill try that dude cheers |
| 16:17.41 | CAiRO | trewas: firefox could have asked me which program to use |
| 16:17.45 | stew | DevilChaos: check thikwiki if you haven't already |
| 16:17.53 | JordiGH | Did someone just say in #debian that an M$ browser is superior to Mozilla? |
| 16:18.05 | H2S04 | Yes |
| 16:18.10 | H2S04 | and they would be right in saying so |
| 16:18.11 | H2S04 | :-p |
| 16:18.22 | Trewas | CAiRO: I agree, and it's generally annoying that it will not offer option "show as text" etc |
| 16:18.30 | CAiRO | Trewas: even though that question whouldn't be ideal, it would still be faster than opening my download directory in a file browser and doulbe clicking the file there |
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| 16:18.47 | DevilChaos | yeah got that in my bookmarks good site that |
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| 16:19.00 | stew | i always forget to look there myself |
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| 16:20.32 | ezerhoden | anyone use the latest testing netinstall, i tried two seperate downloads and burns, both cd's work but seem to hang at 5% when installing the desktop and basic system apps. anyone else experience this? |
| 16:22.24 | keith80403 | Running Debian Sarge - Any way to tie a PuTTY terminal to a /dev/pts device instead of having to ssh to 127.0.0.1 ? I'd like to try running PuTTY instead of /usr/bin/gnome-terminal for awhile. |
| 16:22.33 | Onur | ezerhoden: i used 2007-02-04 release. It's working correctly |
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| 16:23.27 | ezerhoden | Onur: was it at 5% for a long while, maybe downloading all the packages in the background, just not updating the progress bar? |
| 16:24.08 | ezerhoden | Onur: it appears to hang, i let it 'work' for well over an hour with a fast broadband connection |
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| 16:24.53 | Onur | ezerhoden: do you chech md5sum? |
| 16:24.59 | Onur | c/check |
| 16:25.20 | vlt | Hello. How can I let mutt (or another program you'd suggest) open a Maildir? I followed the manpage and set an env var MAILDIR but it still complains about missing mbox. |
| 16:25.26 | ezerhoden | Onur: no, i looked but did not notice where the md5sum was |
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| 16:26.22 | Onur | ezerhoden: check your downloaded image md5sum to orijinal image md5sum |
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| 16:26.36 | Onur | maybe its not downloaded correctly |
| 16:27.22 | GeorgeS069 | ezerhoden: try a daily build...I heard there was a bug stopping the install at 5% but,the dailies work |
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| 16:27.44 | DevilChaos | bbl |
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| 16:27.52 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 16:27.56 | ezerhoden | GeorgeS069: aha, thanks |
| 16:28.04 | GeorgeS069 | yw |
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| 16:28.37 | h3sp4wn | ezerhoden: or you can just choose not to install anything of the network (and do it after rebooting) |
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| 16:30.17 | muuhDBX | do you think 2007 is the year of the linux desktop ? |
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| 16:30.41 | Ronin | thought it was year of the rat |
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| 16:31.25 | muuhDBX | Ronin: mabey at you place |
| 16:31.32 | etchjster | why in my gdm is there a choice between kde,gnomne, AND metacity if i cant use metacity without using gnome?? |
| 16:31.57 | JordiGH | etchjster: Actually, you can. |
| 16:32.01 | etchjster | pleas |
| 16:32.07 | etchjster | tell me how |
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| 16:32.25 | etchjster | its been 2 days trying |
| 16:32.31 | muuhDBX | bipolar: are you american ? |
| 16:32.32 | JordiGH | etchjster: If you don't want the panel and the desktop or the menu on top, you can perfectly fine just use metacity. |
| 16:33.04 | etchjster | how do i install my own things |
| 16:33.05 | JordiGH | etchjster: It'll just open a console. You can run your programs from the console, and metacity will be your wm. |
| 16:33.14 | etchjster | like desktop |
| 16:33.24 | Ronin | oops its year of the pig not rat |
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| 16:33.52 | etchjster | i cant do anything when i choose metacity from gdm |
| 16:34.04 | etchjster | grey screen |
| 16:34.10 | JordiGH | I only know of GNOME or KDE to have an actual desktop program. KDE's is kdesktop, and I imagine that GNOME's must be similarly named, but it might be part of a different program (e.g. perhaps the menu on top is also part of whatever program gives you a desktop background). |
| 16:34.27 | JordiGH | etchjster: Hm, try right-clicking. |
| 16:34.35 | stew | nautilus? |
| 16:34.43 | etchjster | nothing no keybinding from metacity work |
| 16:34.43 | muuhDBX | Ronin: 2007 is gona be the year of the zoo |
| 16:34.53 | muuhDBX | at least at your end |
| 16:35.10 | bipolar | muuhDBX: did autocomplete screw you up or was that really meanrt for me? |
| 16:35.20 | Ronin | muuhDBX: usually is a zoo here |
| 16:35.24 | muuhDBX | its was meant for everybody |
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| 16:35.49 | JordiGH | etchjster: You might need to modify your .Xsession file so that it actually open a terminal when you only use metacity. |
| 16:36.10 | etchjster | ok |
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| 16:37.12 | muuhDBX | Ronin: is the king of the zoo |
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| 16:37.56 | muuhDBX | Ronin: isnt it time to go feed the lions ? |
| 16:38.05 | hark | !zoo |
| 16:38.05 | dpkg | methinks zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 16:38.12 | Ronin | heh |
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| 16:39.47 | bipolar | muuhDBX: ah... yes |
| 16:40.10 | muuhDBX | ah what ? |
| 16:40.29 | muuhDBX | so you are american ? |
| 16:41.00 | muuhDBX | US of A ? |
| 16:41.03 | Ronin | so am i, north american mind you, so? |
| 16:41.20 | muuhDBX | iom talking to bipolar |
| 16:41.31 | JordiGH | I'm North American too. At least according to KPersonalizer. |
| 16:41.33 | Ronin | heh |
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| 16:42.00 | bipolar | muuhDBX: yes, the USA part of America :) |
| 16:42.31 | muuhDBX | well that figures |
| 16:42.51 | ChrisGo | North America is Canada right? |
| 16:43.06 | Ronin | ChrisGo: not quite, it includes the USA as well |
| 16:43.13 | NightFall | yes |
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| 16:43.24 | bipolar | ChrisGo: Canada, USA, and Mexico are all north america |
| 16:43.29 | muuhDBX | a country thats devided by two parties that exchange power over a 10 years cycle ... what could be more bipolar than that !? |
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| 16:43.36 | ChrisGo | lol |
| 16:43.39 | bipolar | muuhDBX: heh |
| 16:43.42 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 16:43.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 16:43.52 | Ronin | muuhDBX: do you have a debian question? |
| 16:44.02 | muuhDBX | yes |
| 16:44.16 | muuhDBX | how long are you gona keep pestering me ? |
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| 16:45.01 | vlt | Hello. I'm running Debian Sarge with SpamAssasssin 3.0.3. The problem is: None of my spam mails are recognized. Yes, it's working and it's in the mail chain. For a mail that is 100 5 spam i get "X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50 autolearn=ham". How can I update the spam db on Sarge? |
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| 16:45.23 | vlt | that is 100 % spam* |
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| 16:48.22 | muuhDBX | :x |
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| 16:49.09 | muuhDBX | o like excelsius betteer |
| 16:49.32 | cafe_roy | vlt: checked ~/.spamassassin ? run > sa-learn etc? |
| 16:49.42 | yang | what is with sun-java5-jre ? http://paste.debian.net/21666 |
| 16:49.53 | heh_v_water | i don't believe sa-learn is in sarge version of sa |
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| 16:50.20 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I'm setting up a development server, but I want to prevent infinite recursvity or infinite loop (eg : ./date if date contain : date && ./date, will break the system down) is there any available protection for that ? |
| 16:50.38 | heh_v_water | also sa is in volatile I believe which will update the sa rules upon upgrade IIRC |
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| 16:51.03 | muuhDBX | would you say that american/english numerical sistem is centesimal opsed to being decimal like the metric system ? |
| 16:51.10 | h3sp4wn | Fahrenheit: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 16:51.19 | Fahrenheit | h3sp4wn : thx |
| 16:51.25 | vlt | cafe_roy: Yes. I fed 2000 spam and 250 ham mails to sa-learn. |
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| 16:51.49 | heh_v_water | oops sorry I was thinking sa-update |
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| 16:52.00 | orzel | you're aware that aYCa\: will spam any people coming in here ? |
| 16:52.24 | xand | orzel: no it won't... |
| 16:52.28 | xand | it just got k-lined. |
| 16:52.36 | muuhDBX | who is ayca ? |
| 16:52.39 | vlt | heh_v_water: Is sa-update available for Sarge? |
| 16:52.51 | stew | muuhDBX: please keep it on-topic |
| 16:52.53 | orzel | Hello :) I'm using etch on some server, and i'm really surprised because such common things as "john-the-ripper" or "lsat". So i wonder if i've missed something . |
| 16:52.56 | orzel | xand: now ,yes:) |
| 16:53.27 | orzel | i forgot "are missing"! |
| 16:53.28 | orzel | (of course) |
| 16:54.04 | tuvwx | is there a simple sftp file browser for xfce? (sftp:// doesn't work in thunar but does in nautilus) |
| 16:55.03 | muuhDBX | slashNOT |
| 16:55.52 | heh_v_water | vlt, somewhere (can't remember where) there is a page describing how Debian plans on dealing with SA |
| 16:56.11 | muuhDBX | whats SA ? |
| 16:56.12 | abrotman | volatile.debian.net ? |
| 16:56.18 | abrotman | Spam Assassin |
| 16:56.18 | vlt | muuhDBX: SpamAssassin |
| 16:56.20 | heh_v_water | muuhDBX, Spamassassin |
| 16:56.27 | JordiGH | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.36 | muuhDBX | hey whats the debian install pgae url ? |
| 16:56.39 | vlt | JordiGH: ;-) |
| 16:56.41 | JordiGH | !d-i |
| 16:56.41 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 16:56.43 | yang | i get the error "Giving up" when I want to install java-jre ... http://paste.debian.net/21668 |
| 16:56.43 | abrotman | !d-i muuhDBX |
| 16:56.44 | dpkg | muuhDBX, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 16:57.14 | ChrisGo | how do you set evironment vars like FDOUTILITIES = [FDO OpenSource]/Providers/Utilities |
| 16:57.15 | JordiGH | Huh? How come dpkg just spat out two different factois? |
| 16:57.18 | JordiGH | factoids |
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| 16:57.37 | stew | JordiGH: it spit out <d-i> and <cmd: d-i (.*?)> |
| 16:57.41 | muuhDBX | not that page the one that auto installs debian from your IE |
| 16:57.52 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 16:58.14 | heh_v_water | now I remember it's.. volatile-sloppy |
| 16:58.32 | Ronin | muuhDBX: no such thing |
| 16:58.37 | muuhDBX | yes there is |
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| 16:59.10 | muuhDBX | its downloads some stuff that eventually will install debian on windows |
| 16:59.17 | sep | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 16:59.21 | muuhDBX | thats it |
| 16:59.22 | amphi | Ronin: there is |
| 16:59.22 | sep | !goodbye |
| 16:59.22 | dpkg | Goodbye to you too, sep |
| 16:59.26 | sep | win32 |
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| 16:59.43 | Ronin | amphi: seriously? cool |
| 16:59.58 | sep | dpkg win32 is http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 16:59.58 | dpkg | okay, sep |
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| 17:00.48 | amphi | muuhDBX: why would not knowing about a site that is of no use to most people, indicative of a 'n00b'? |
| 17:00.51 | ChrisGo | goodbye-microsoft.com is a link to an exe you gona get respect for that? |
| 17:01.05 | ChrisGo | Is it a virus? |
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| 17:01.19 | muuhDBX | he was suposed to know all thing debian |
| 17:01.33 | amphi | ChrisGo: IIRC, it installs debian in a loopback mounted fs on win32 |
| 17:01.34 | kexman | http://people.debian.org/~rmh/goodbye-microsoft/pub/debian.exe = virus !? |
| 17:01.45 | JordiGH | Btw, is Iceweasel allowed to use Mozilla branding even if it isn't allowed specific Firefox branding? I personally think it needs a new entry from the Book of Mozilla. |
| 17:02.01 | muuhDBX | kexman: depends on your defenition of virus |
| 17:02.10 | muuhDBX | trojan mabey ... |
| 17:02.13 | kexman | well ChrisGo mentioned |
| 17:02.15 | kexman | trojan !? |
| 17:02.19 | kexman | what does it do 1? |
| 17:02.28 | ChrisGo | lol |
| 17:02.31 | muuhDBX | i havent tryed it |
| 17:02.35 | JordiGH | sep: I just saw something similar in Ubuntu, I think. They have an install.exe. Is this supposed to be similar? |
| 17:02.37 | ChrisGo | i guess it install Debian |
| 17:02.40 | muuhDBX | but its suposed to instal debian |
| 17:02.44 | cydork | JordiGH: yep. |
| 17:02.44 | ChrisGo | i wont try it |
| 17:02.46 | whaq_ | kexman: it's suitably named 'goodbye MS' |
| 17:02.46 | kexman | can i optimize my debian for i686 processors ? |
| 17:02.48 | sep | JordiGH, probably the same thing |
| 17:03.02 | kexman | well i wont try it :p |
| 17:03.09 | kexman | im just going to install debian minimal |
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| 17:03.21 | JordiGH | kexman: It's already "optimised". If you really want "optimisation", then... |
| 17:03.25 | muuhDBX | will it trash windows on the process? |
| 17:03.26 | JordiGH | !gentoosmite kexman |
| 17:03.27 | Phil|Away | jotti says it's clean |
| 17:03.27 | sep | kexman, obviously not, since a virus propagates by itself. |
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| 17:03.36 | heh_v_water | I'm half tempted to install windows in vmware and see wtf that does |
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| 17:03.46 | amphi | muuhDBX: no |
| 17:03.51 | kexman | i am gentoomizer :P but not for optimizing purpose just for portage and very well documented |
| 17:03.53 | Phil|Away | I'll pass it to some malware guys |
| 17:04.07 | muuhDBX | have you done it amphi ? |
| 17:04.18 | heh_v_water | would be good if they had some sort of documentation explaining what it does |
| 17:04.19 | amphi | muuhDBX: as I said, it installs debian into a loopback mounted fs-in-a-file on windows |
| 17:04.21 | cydork | heh_v_water: it's a exe which downloads the installer, and you can select the installer on the next boot. |
| 17:04.27 | amphi | muuhDBX: no, why would I? |
| 17:04.30 | sep | heh_v_water, http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/people/rmh/win32-loader/ |
| 17:04.35 | muuhDBX | ok thanx amphi |
| 17:04.50 | sep | heh_v_water, http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html |
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| 17:06.51 | Chris20 | Hello |
| 17:07.10 | muuhDBX | are you 20 myears old Chris20 ? |
| 17:07.17 | Chris20 | yes I am |
| 17:07.33 | Chris20 | born 1986 |
| 17:07.55 | muuhDBX | what siguns are you ? |
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| 17:08.04 | muuhDBX | i mean chinese |
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| 17:08.12 | muuhDBX | :D |
| 17:08.15 | Chris20 | must be a Tiger |
| 17:08.15 | xand | get a room :P |
| 17:08.25 | JordiGH | muuhDBX: You really ought to go to #debian-offtopic |
| 17:08.29 | Chris20 | okay gimme a room :-) |
| 17:08.43 | heh_v_water | muuhDBX, you clearly do not understand or respect the guidelines and purpose of this channel |
| 17:08.43 | amphi | #debian-offtopic ;) |
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| 17:09.36 | xand | JordiGH: it is on freenode... if you have ops |
| 17:10.16 | amphi | !penixsmite muuhDBX |
| 17:10.16 | Chris20 | root pw is topsecret! |
| 17:10.47 | muuhDBX | Chris20: dont worry im not telling any one |
| 17:10.55 | muuhDBX | at least not for free |
| 17:10.57 | heh_v_water | JordiGH, it IS possible if you are an admin |
| 17:11.09 | heh_v_water | net admin |
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| 17:11.19 | |Lupin| | Hi again, people |
| 17:11.37 | heh_v_water | JordiGH, check out sajoin |
| 17:11.48 | muuhDBX | Chris20: do you have anything to conseal ? |
| 17:11.48 | heh_v_water | and we both know what kick does hehe |
| 17:12.04 | |Lupin| | In console (no X server there), which solution woulAyou recommend to have USB sticks automatically mounted/unmounted ? |
| 17:12.23 | Chris20 | I'm [at] this #debian-offtopic room |
| 17:12.58 | cydork | |Lupin|: ivman |
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| 17:13.21 | stew | |Lupin|: which version of debian are you running? |
| 17:13.30 | |Lupin| | cydork: looks heavy to use/configure... |
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| 17:13.40 | |Lupin| | stew: unstable |
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| 17:14.03 | stew | |Lupin|: its not particularly heavy. it will come configured out of the box to mount usb sticks |
| 17:14.31 | |Lupin| | SJr: but they will be owned byroot ? |
| 17:14.46 | Chris20 | usb sticks allways a bit tricky |
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| 17:14.59 | Chris20 | depends on the formated fs |
| 17:15.08 | Chris20 | :-) aint it like that |
| 17:15.10 | |Lupin| | Chris20: okay. |
| 17:15.13 | stew | |Lupin|: ivman would mount them with pmount so anyone in the plugdev group can access/umount tham |
| 17:15.24 | ChrisGo | How do you set environmental variables? |
| 17:15.42 | |Lupin| | How does ivman knowthat a key arrives, actually ? I know it uses hal, but that's all. |
| 17:15.58 | JordiGH | ChrisGo: If you want them to stick, export VARIABLENAME=value |
| 17:16.14 | muuhDBX | hal is out dated is from 2001 |
| 17:16.14 | JordiGH | In bash, anyways. Who uses anything besides bash? |
| 17:16.20 | stew | |Lupin|: yeah, hal tells it. you can configure which events from hal it acts on. if you run "lshal --monitor" you'll get an idea of what data it receives |
| 17:16.22 | JordiGH | !start a shell war |
| 17:16.22 | dpkg | pdksh owns osh |
| 17:16.30 | JordiGH | Crap. I guess someone does. |
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| 17:16.53 | muuhDBX | stew i use wee:D |
| 17:16.54 | h3sp4wn | only zsh now - |
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| 17:17.27 | |Lupin| | stew: okay. But does hal trigger an event on key insertion / removal, or has ivman to poll hal ? |
| 17:17.56 | stew | |Lupin|: hal triggers an event on key insertion / removal, fsmounting/umounting etc. ivman does not poll |
| 17:19.13 | |Lupin| | stew: I see. And (sorry to be so annoying), how does hal itself know thatsomething happens ? /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug is emptyon my machine |
| 17:19.13 | JordiGH | stew: Curious, what do you use? And, er, why? (I'm genuinely curious.) |
| 17:19.27 | JordiGH | stew: shell, I mean. |
| 17:19.27 | stew | JordiGH: fish and zsh |
| 17:20.30 | cydork | fish?? |
| 17:20.30 | JordiGH | Is bash bloated? Are the Emacs-like default keys annoying? Is it hard to code in? |
| 17:20.30 | cydork | actully use fish? |
| 17:20.30 | stew | |Lupin|: i don't know, but i believe its by monitoring /sys |
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| 17:20.48 | stew | which is why i started adding them to fish |
| 17:20.52 | cydork | heh |
| 17:20.58 | JordiGH | !praise Emacs |
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| 17:21.48 | |Lupin| | stew: okay, thanks |
| 17:21.51 | fritz[] | how can I completly remove apache (1) from my system? apt-get remove apache left /etc/apache configuration ... I'm trying to install apache2 |
| 17:21.53 | muuhDBX | stew: a friend of mine tells me hals next version is gona be so darn good that it will prenptively unmout your stick just ine second before you unplug it |
| 17:22.07 | solemnwarning | JordiGH: Why are you in #Debian if you are an EmacsOS user?? |
| 17:22.17 | JordiGH | !info emacs21 |
| 17:22.32 | dpkg | emacs21: (The GNU Emacs editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 21.4a+1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 1981 kB, Installed size: 5924 kB |
| 17:22.34 | solemnwarning | emacs: the OS pretending to be a text editor |
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| 17:22.45 | cydork | fritz[]: --purge remove |
| 17:23.14 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: Y'know, that kind of complaint usually comes from old-fogie Unix users who still think that the "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping" acronym is terribly clever. :-) |
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| 17:23.40 | solemnwarning | And it's a horrible editor |
| 17:24.06 | ChrisGo | where does apt-get install myswl-server install the client files by default please. |
| 17:24.06 | BrownFrog | JordiGH: My favorite is "EMACS is a wonderful OS, but needs a good text editor" ;) |
| 17:24.10 | |Lupin| | stew: what makes you like fish ? I thought zsh was so cool that those using it use only it... |
| 17:24.17 | muuhDBX | but it has games inbebed |
| 17:24.22 | solemnwarning | The syntax highlighting is hard to read, and why learn 500 obscure key combos for editing a damm text file?? |
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| 17:24.31 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: I shall not be lured by your heathen editors. |
| 17:24.41 | solemnwarning | kate + nano > * |
| 17:24.42 | amphi | JordiGH: heh |
| 17:24.55 | amphi | !moron solemnwarning |
| 17:24.55 | dpkg | solemnwarning: You are moron #19 |
| 17:25.01 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: Why learn how to play the piano? Why bow to any saint but Saint iGNUcius? |
| 17:25.10 | fritz[] | cydork: apt-get --purge remove apache ? |
| 17:25.31 | cydork | fritz[]: yes |
| 17:25.39 | cydork | amphi: :) |
| 17:25.44 | ChrisGo | where does apt-get install mysql-server install the client files by default please. |
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| 17:26.18 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: It's nice to see the old holy wars heat up again once in a while. The spunk is still there. :-) |
| 17:26.45 | muuhDBX | holy wars ? |
| 17:27.00 | JordiGH | ChrisGo: Because it depends on that package. |
| 17:27.19 | solemnwarning | Between the "editors", vi and emacs |
| 17:27.34 | GeorgeS069 | JordiGH: he asked "where" not "why" :) |
| 17:27.38 | BrownFrog | solemnwarning: the only key combos you really need to know is Ctrl-X Ctrl-S, Ctrl-X Ctrl-C, for saving and quitting, respectively; you can treat emacs like nano otherwise for the most part. If you want to have to learn lots of keys, try vi |
| 17:27.47 | JordiGH | GeorgeS069: Oh. Oops. |
| 17:27.52 | ChrisGo | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libmysqlclient12&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 17:27.59 | ChrisGo | yea im getting smarter |
| 17:28.15 | ChrisGo | no golf claps for me? |
| 17:28.36 | rahul | !any ideas |
| 17:28.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 three-legged goats. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 17:28.40 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: Y'know, I grant that Kate is a very nice editor. But moving your wrists away from the homerow keys while editting is for chumps! |
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| 17:28.56 | solemnwarning | The whatrow keys? |
| 17:28.59 | amphi | solemnwarning: works well in console? ;) |
| 17:28.59 | muuhDBX | everybody knows joe is the best cli editor |
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| 17:29.18 | BrownFrog | nah, ed FTW ;) |
| 17:29.29 | muuhDBX | FTW ? |
| 17:29.34 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: and with Kate being able to open shells and spawn sub-processes and being very bloated itself, I really don't see how you can claim superiority to Emacs in these respects. |
| 17:29.37 | BrownFrog | A MMORPG term meaning "For the Win" |
| 17:29.38 | JordiGH | !ftw |
| 17:29.38 | dpkg | ftw is, like, fuck the world. For The Win |
| 17:29.55 | solemnwarning | Because it doesn't have a web browser |
| 17:29.55 | JordiGH | I can't believe I'm taking a holy war serously. :-) |
| 17:29.57 | JordiGH | seriously |
| 17:29.58 | solemnwarning | Or an IRC client |
| 17:30.00 | solemnwarning | Or a mail client |
| 17:30.03 | solemnwarning | Or games |
| 17:30.05 | muuhDBX | i hate MMORPGs |
| 17:30.08 | solemnwarning | Or a newsreader |
| 17:30.12 | solemnwarning | Or ect :) |
| 17:30.12 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: It has KDE, though. :-) |
| 17:30.22 | solemnwarning | KDE > * |
| 17:30.33 | Chris20 | real life is real live |
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| 17:30.37 | Chris20 | :-) |
| 17:30.46 | muuhDBX | isnt IRC real life ?! |
| 17:30.46 | BrownFrog | muuDBX: I like Guild Wars; have heard that Everquest and WoW are notoriously bad for making you do stuff that takes lots and lots of time to keep the monthly fees rolling in though |
| 17:30.53 | Chris20 | no it aint |
| 17:30.59 | Chris20 | its a pain |
| 17:31.01 | solemnwarning | ofc IRC is real life |
| 17:31.05 | JordiGH | True. I like KDE too. Though Gnome is looking very polished nowadays. I've met at least two non-geeky friends who have preferred recent Gnomes to KDE. |
| 17:31.05 | Chris20 | :-s |
| 17:31.26 | solemnwarning | gnome: "What feature shall we remove today?" |
| 17:31.32 | Chris20 | it's more of a timewaste than rl |
| 17:31.37 | muuhDBX | solemnwarning: :D |
| 17:31.39 | amphi | DEs are teh sukc |
| 17:31.46 | BrownFrog | JordiGH, solemnwarning: Agreed re: KDE |
| 17:32.21 | muuhDBX | KDE 4 is goina guess what language are you reading :D |
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| 17:32.49 | Chris20 | so I should be mute |
| 17:33.03 | JordiGH | Sophia is probably going to finally be overwhelmed with KDE 4. She only has 196 megs of RAM and a 233 Mhz Pentium II. |
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| 17:33.46 | solemnwarning | People actually USE those? |
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| 17:34.00 | JordiGH | Use what? |
| 17:34.07 | muuhDBX | computers |
| 17:34.27 | JordiGH | Nah. I IRC with a neurokinetic interfaced embedded into the back of my skull. |
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| 17:34.48 | solemnwarning | And nVidia GeForce 7950GT OC |
| 17:35.11 | muuhDBX | solemnwarning: do you have VISTA ? |
| 17:35.17 | solemnwarning | eeew |
| 17:35.21 | JordiGH | Blah-blah-blah, rootpassword-like version numbers, blah blah blah, dual this, triple that, blah-blah-blah, video card without free drivers this, blah-blah-blah. |
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| 17:35.46 | kexman | http://goodbye-microsoft.com/screenshots/ |
| 17:35.48 | kexman | looks nice |
| 17:35.50 | izzyb | OT - is there a good site for finding linux compatable hardware? |
| 17:36.06 | solemnwarning | JordiGH: nVidia's cards owm |
| 17:36.12 | JordiGH | izzyb: Several places. lhcp is a good thing to google for. |
| 17:36.31 | solemnwarning | I'm guessing you are using some crappy PCI card with no 3d? :P |
| 17:36.33 | muuhDBX | AMD cards OWNe |
| 17:36.38 | h3sp4wn | nvidia cards suck |
| 17:36.40 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: Perhaps, but nvidia can suck my balls. I friggin hate their binary blob. Especially when it crashes, especially when it has security flaws. |
| 17:36.53 | solemnwarning | I've never had nvidia crash |
| 17:37.26 | muuhDBX | your nvidia card is better then sophias computer :D |
| 17:37.30 | JordiGH | solemnwarning: Then you've been lucky. That doesn't make their blob suck any less. It's crashed on me many times. |
| 17:37.31 | solemnwarning | hehe |
| 17:37.37 | solemnwarning | My hard drive is probably better :P |
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| 17:37.55 | JordiGH | Sophia's hard drive has 4 gigs. :-) |
| 17:38.05 | solemnwarning | Seagate barracuda 7200.10 250GB, 16MB cache, SATA-II |
| 17:38.08 | izzyb | JordiGH, thanks. I've been trying to search linux, with hardware pieces I'm interested in, but it's hit and miss at best |
| 17:38.22 | muuhDBX | 16MB cach :P |
| 17:38.24 | JordiGH | izzyb: It is. |
| 17:38.47 | solemnwarning | And an nforce chipset on my Asus M2N-SLi deluxe mobo :) |
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| 17:39.26 | solemnwarning | And the greatest soundcard ever made, an sblive :) |
| 17:39.27 | muuhDBX | solemnwarning: do you need all that computer power to chat on IRC ? |
| 17:39.32 | solemnwarning | nah |
| 17:39.32 | amphi | 'delux' huh? |
| 17:39.44 | solemnwarning | Play UT2004 and UT2007 (when it comes out) :P |
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| 17:40.02 | muuhDBX | UT sux |
| 17:40.06 | zoldar | Hello, anybody had experience in setting up hardware monitoring on IBM xseries (330 in this case) ? As far as I know, it can't be done with i2c (maybe i'm wrong) - there's little information on the net about it |
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| 17:40.09 | Raven007 | hello |
| 17:40.29 | muuhDBX | QUAKE is like 100x better then UT clone |
| 17:40.38 | solemnwarning | QUAKE == crap |
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| 17:40.45 | muuhDBX | UT CRAAAAP |
| 17:40.48 | amphi | remember kids: a gamer is a lamer |
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| 17:40.52 | JordiGH | !nexuiz |
| 17:40.52 | dpkg | nexuiz is probably a back-to-basics deathmatch game, originally based on the Quake 1 engine but since heavily modded and customised, completely GPLed, including data files. |
| 17:41.07 | solemnwarning | nexuiz is lame |
| 17:41.08 | JordiGH | !info nexuiz |
| 17:41.14 | dpkg | nexuiz: (A fast-paced 3D Ego-Shooter), section games, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 603 kB, Installed size: 1480 kB |
| 17:41.27 | muuhDBX | nexuiz is antigamerware |
| 17:41.35 | stew | please don't shoot my ego |
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| 17:41.44 | LinuxHelp | Does anyone have any opinions on whether disabling module support in the kernel (and thus by extension, statically compiling all drivers) would improve stability relative to a module'd kernel? |
| 17:41.59 | solemnwarning | LinuxHelp: Why would it? |
| 17:42.06 | stew | LinuxHelp: no, but it would increase security |
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| 17:42.16 | gcbirzan | Yeah, it would. Since you won't be able to load anything that can break it. |
| 17:42.23 | amphi | LinuxHelp: I know of no reason why it should; there are security reasons for monolithic kernels |
| 17:42.23 | h3sp4wn | LinuxHelp: Make bootup about 5 seconds slower than using an initrd |
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| 17:42.28 | nite613_ | Am I supposed to be using iceweasel now instead of firefox? |
| 17:42.34 | sss111 | hello |
| 17:42.35 | stew | nite613_: in etch/sid, yes |
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| 17:42.37 | gcbirzan | In the same way that not allowing you to run but a list of 10 programs would increaese stability, less things that can crash. |
| 17:42.42 | JordiGH | nite613_: All the cool kids are doing it, yes. |
| 17:42.42 | nite613_ | Thanks, stew |
| 17:42.44 | solemnwarning | He asked about modules, not stupid initrd |
| 17:42.53 | solemnwarning | None of my machines have initrd's :D |
| 17:43.01 | JordiGH | I've wondered, how come Debian can still distribute Firefox in etch? |
| 17:43.03 | gcbirzan | amphi: Actually, Linux is a monolithic kernel regardless of how you build modules. :-) |
| 17:43.03 | infantaside | Hi i am new to debina and Linux full stop. How do i change the colour depth? It currently looks like it is in colours |
| 17:43.04 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: because you don't understand them |
| 17:43.06 | JordiGH | Er, in sarge? |
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| 17:43.17 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 17:43.21 | amphi | gcbirzan: that's a different 'monolthic' ;) |
| 17:43.22 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: to me no modules implies no initrd |
| 17:43.38 | BrownFrog | nite613_: For some reason I was getting lots of Iceweasel crashes, so I uninstalled it and installed the normal Firefox and it's working just fine now; YMMV (Your Milage May Vary) |
| 17:43.47 | solemnwarning | You don't need initrd to use modules |
| 17:43.57 | gcbirzan | And no modules doesn't imply no initrd. |
| 17:44.02 | sss111 | "tar -cf myfile.tar /dir1 dir2 | gzip -v -9 -S .gz -" is corrent syntax? |
| 17:44.02 | gcbirzan | Think RAID, LVM and such. |
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| 17:44.37 | gcbirzan | sss111: Christ. What's wrong with tar zcf ? :-) |
| 17:44.42 | BrownFrog | infantaside: what video card are you using? |
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| 17:44.59 | gcbirzan | sss111: But, I really doubt that's the correct syntax for anything. |
| 17:45.06 | nite613_ | BrownFrog: I'm thinking of moving the other direction for the same reason. Firefox is crashing increasingly more often |
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| 17:45.17 | LinuxHelp | Thanks for your thoughts. |
| 17:45.22 | Dimitri | Hello |
| 17:45.22 | infantaside | BrownFrog: il check - its a poweredge server i just got so il look at the spec |
| 17:45.25 | BrownFrog | nite613_: Software can be a mysterious thing; best of luck! |
| 17:45.27 | Dimitri | I need help getting my debian server into english |
| 17:45.31 | muuhDBX | is 100 bucks pc gona use debian ? |
| 17:45.35 | Dimitri | I editted the locale file |
| 17:45.38 | stew | muuhDBX: no, redhat |
| 17:45.39 | Dimitri | But it's still in german |
| 17:45.44 | gcbirzan | Fedora, actually. |
| 17:45.49 | stew | yeah, that |
| 17:45.55 | stew | it runs debian though. i have one here |
| 17:46.05 | sss111 | gcbirzan: my tar version has no z option |
| 17:46.05 | muuhDBX | so 100 bucks is to pay for redat ? |
| 17:46.06 | gcbirzan | Dimitri: dpkg-reconfigure locale? |
| 17:46.17 | gcbirzan | sss111: That's not a Debian machine you're doing this on, is it? |
| 17:46.20 | Dimitri | gcbirzan: Yes, i disabled the german language and enabled en_GB |
| 17:46.28 | gcbirzan | muuhDBX: Pfft. Fedora is free as in beer. |
| 17:46.33 | muuhDBX | ok |
| 17:46.34 | stew | muuhDBX: its not redhat, its fedora, and its going to be closer to 100€ afaik |
| 17:46.39 | stew | err 100 euro |
| 17:46.39 | JordiGH | gcbirzan: The Wiki article says nothing about Firefox in sarge. |
| 17:46.44 | x_link | d |
| 17:46.48 | gcbirzan | stew: UTF8++ :-) |
| 17:46.55 | stew | aparantly mine is -- |
| 17:46.59 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: Sure it does. |
| 17:47.03 | stew | at least my .xmodmap is |
| 17:47.09 | muuhDBX | what do you mean free has in beer ? |
| 17:47.14 | infantaside | BrownFrog: its a embeded ATi Rage XL |
| 17:47.41 | muuhDBX | are the kids gona get hangovers ? |
| 17:47.43 | BrownFrog | infantaside: That should use the ati driver (as opposed to the radeon driver); does lsmod show it loaded? |
| 17:47.43 | gcbirzan | stew: I can't be arsed to type in silly characters, but it's nice being able to see them. :-P |
| 17:47.44 | muuhDBX | :D |
| 17:47.44 | JordiGH | gcbirzan: Well, ok, it says what already is happening, but I don't understand how this complies with Mozilla's requests, since they are modifying the Mozilla Firefox. |
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| 17:48.17 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: Since Firefox is Free Software, you can modify it. The issue was with the naming of the resulting product. Also, with icons. |
| 17:48.26 | Dimitri | any idea why the language doesnt change? |
| 17:48.27 | sss111 | gcbirzan: no its not debian but I'll plan to move files from this box |
| 17:48.35 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: And that talkback stuff. |
| 17:48.36 | lindenle | I have a usb cable for my cell phone and it creates a modem device how do i write a script to connect over it with ppp |
| 17:48.47 | gcbirzan | Dimitri: You'll have to log back in? |
| 17:48.56 | JordiGH | gcbirzan: I understand you can modify it, but how can a modified firefox be in Sarge? That's exactly what Mozilla doesn't want: modified Firefoxes to carry the same name. |
| 17:48.56 | Dimitri | gcbirzan: I did yes... |
| 17:48.57 | cydork | lindenle: you can use wvdial. |
| 17:49.02 | Dimitri | I also rebooted |
| 17:49.05 | gcbirzan | Dimitri: You can also try export LC_ALL=en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 17:49.07 | Dimitri | But it's still in german |
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| 17:49.15 | Dimitri | i'll try that |
| 17:49.20 | lindenle | cydork: I want to use pppconfig and pon poff |
| 17:49.39 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: Ah. Well, I guess they don't care enough. |
| 17:49.41 | muuhDBX | it would be funny to seem Mr negroponte evade 10000 ungry kids |
| 17:49.59 | muuhDBX | some of them have guns in those countrys too |
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| 17:50.16 | sam_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.31 | lindenle | cydork: do i need anything more than the modem device name and dialup number with wvdial |
| 17:50.50 | cydork | lindenle: dont think so. |
| 17:51.05 | gcbirzan | I'm thinking an username and password can help. :-P |
| 17:51.07 | lindenle | I can get it to dial but it never gets a CONNECT signal from other side |
| 17:51.19 | lindenle | gcbirzan: ogf course ;) |
| 17:51.30 | abhinay | when i do aptitude install <anypackage> , some of the packages are getting removed automatically, 'The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:' , but not all packages are unused in that. http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
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| 17:51.55 | JordiGH | Damnit, every time I think that the next debian-devel-announce email about RC bugs will say that it's dropped below 100, I'm disappointed. I think the Debian Wikipedia page needs to be modified "released in March [citation needed]. |
| 17:51.55 | JordiGH | " |
| 17:52.01 | stew | abhinay: unmark them as auto: "man aptitude" |
| 17:52.17 | gcbirzan | JordiGH: Heh. |
| 17:52.41 | muuhDBX | JordiGH: did you mean release ongoing ? |
| 17:52.53 | abhinay | stew: what happens if i do unmarkauto ? |
| 17:53.04 | muuhDBX | etch for ever |
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| 17:53.11 | JordiGH | muuhDBX: I'm talking about the etch release. |
| 17:53.18 | stew | abhinay: they will no longer be automatically removed |
| 17:53.38 | JordiGH | And those of us who track testing are bracing for a rocky ride once etch is released and the freeze is over. Lots of packages from unstable are going to roll in then. |
| 17:53.58 | muuhDBX | JordiGH: gentoo is som much better they dont do releases they do emerge |
| 17:54.12 | stew | abhinay: right now they are marked as automatically installed becuase they were installed not becuase you specifically requested them but to satisfy dependencies of something you did specifically request. now that there is nothing depending on them that was specifically requested, they are being removed. |
| 17:54.20 | JordiGH | !start a distro war |
| 17:54.20 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 17:54.24 | JordiGH | :-) |
| 17:54.26 | lindenle | cydork: ok could use some more help. How do i use wvdial |
| 17:54.27 | muuhDBX | :) |
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| 17:55.17 | b0on | anyone here taken the ccna? |
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| 17:55.24 | Ronin | b0on: YEP |
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| 17:55.45 | Ronin | damn caps lock |
| 17:55.48 | muuhDBX | whats CCNA ? |
| 17:55.58 | heh_v_water | b0on, i havent taken it yet but I am prepared to take ccna and ccnp |
| 17:56.00 | shao_lap | ok, i have a *.jnlp java file. I installed java - but how to start the file now? |
| 17:56.17 | cydork | lindenle: did you use wvdialconf ? |
| 17:56.26 | heh_v_water | muuhDBX, a Cisco certification |
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| 17:56.39 | muuhDBX | guru stuff |
| 17:56.40 | b0on | whats the best test simulator out there? |
| 17:56.45 | JimBowen | Greetings. |
| 17:56.48 | b0on | i've taken it once, but didn't quite pass |
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| 17:57.09 | JimBowen | Anyone familiar with debian istaller from a USB stick? |
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| 17:57.16 | JordiGH | If I want to use svn, what should I use? |
| 17:57.20 | heh_v_water | b0on, no clue here |
| 17:57.21 | JimBowen | trying to install on a via EPIA |
| 17:57.43 | Dimitri | gcbirzan: it's still in german.. |
| 17:57.45 | muuhDBX | ive got a question |
| 17:57.49 | gcbirzan | Dimitri: Tough luck, heh. :-P |
| 17:57.55 | JimBowen | but it cant seem to find the iso image I put on it.. Looks like its not mounting the stick at all |
| 17:57.57 | Dimitri | heh |
| 17:57.58 | muuhDBX | dont the linux drivers go in the kernel ? |
| 17:58.02 | Dimitri | cant understand a word it says sometimes.. |
| 17:58.04 | lindenle | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.04 | gcbirzan | I passed it without actually studying much.. |
| 17:58.07 | JordiGH | I mean, what's the package to aptitude? |
| 17:58.15 | Dimitri | i guess i'll email netdirekt |
| 17:58.40 | muuhDBX | do the linux drivers go in the kernel ? |
| 17:58.50 | stew | muuhDBX: what do you mean? |
| 17:59.00 | muuhDBX | what ive said |
| 17:59.03 | b0on | Ronin: did you use any simulators? |
| 17:59.15 | stew | muuhDBX: what does "go in the kernel" mean? |
| 17:59.18 | JordiGH | subversion. Of course. |
| 17:59.20 | muuhDBX | what i dont get is the drivers modules |
| 17:59.36 | heh_v_water | muuhDBX, the kernel manages modules(drivers), as far as in the kernel thats a totally different question.. the actual modules are just files that the kernel loads.. |
| 17:59.41 | muuhDBX | are ther drivers on the kernel ? |
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| 18:00.01 | stew | what does "on the kernel" mean? |
| 18:00.02 | muuhDBX | like plugins |
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| 18:00.19 | muuhDBX | if they come imbebed in the kernel |
| 18:00.42 | cydork | lindenle: there is nothing much to do. coz afaik i remember it runs wvdialconf when you install it. you can check README.Debian for something more. |
| 18:00.44 | muuhDBX | or are they modules like plugins ? |
| 18:00.58 | stew | muuhDBX: what drivers are you talking about? |
| 18:01.08 | muuhDBX | drivers in gerneral |
| 18:01.10 | Ronin | stew: bet they dont even know |
| 18:01.26 | muuhDBX | to make you sound keyboard etc work |
| 18:01.34 | muuhDBX | to make peroplas work |
| 18:01.38 | muuhDBX | peripals |
| 18:01.43 | Justin | muuhDBX: peripherals ? |
| 18:01.44 | stew | muuhDBX: there are drivers in the kernel that make devices work |
| 18:01.48 | muuhDBX | yes |
| 18:01.54 | lindenle | cydork: can you help me debug this? |
| 18:02.06 | muuhDBX | but not all ?! |
| 18:02.07 | stew | muuhDBX: they can by built as modules and therefore pluggable, or they can be built in directly |
| 18:02.16 | stew | all what? |
| 18:02.25 | muuhDBX | some are modules |
| 18:02.51 | muuhDBX | that get pluged into the kernel at boot |
| 18:03.12 | cydork | lindenle: do you see any errors? |
| 18:03.12 | stew | sure |
| 18:03.24 | Coburn | i have a problem with gparted!!! someone can help me gparted give me an error when i try to resize fylesystem!! |
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| 18:03.37 | muuhDBX | i just think this drivers on kernel seem fishy |
| 18:04.04 | heh_v_water | muuhDBX, FREAK! :P |
| 18:04.20 | abhinay | stew: aptitude unmarkauto <packages> , is this what i supposed to do ? |
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| 18:04.24 | JordiGH | Coburn: Relax. What happened? |
| 18:04.31 | stew | abhinay: yes |
| 18:04.48 | abhinay | stew: then, it removes those packages |
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| 18:05.23 | Leandro | hello |
| 18:05.29 | Leandro | i have sort of a problem |
| 18:05.34 | muuhDBX | goodbuy |
| 18:05.40 | Leandro | bb |
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| 18:05.49 | stew | abhinay: it shouldn't unless there is some other reason to remove them. you could also "aptitude isntall packagename" |
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| 18:06.04 | JordiGH | s/sn/ns |
| 18:06.33 | Leandro | im trying to install my NVIDIA MMX440 drivers and the driver asks for kernel bin to compile something... of course i dont have my source files |
| 18:06.58 | lindenle | cydork: using ppp I get no carrier (but it dials)...and i still have not gotten wvdial to work. |
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| 18:07.14 | JimBowen | In one message: I am trying to install Debian on an embedded system, using a USB stick. The system boots off the stick, but cannot load the iso image for the rest of the installer. the image is there, but it looks like the USB key is not being touched after boot (the light doesnt come on, when it normally would when mounted) Any help? |
| 18:07.23 | Coburn | before resize i have 3.5 jordigh occupied and i add 17 giga and now after error gparted see 15 giga occupied and 2 free |
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| 18:10.32 | cydork | lindenle: what is the problem with wvdial? any errors? |
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| 18:10.45 | lindenle | cydork: it just does nothing |
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| 18:11.25 | cydork | lindenle: no errors? |
| 18:11.39 | JordiGH | Coburn: That's very odd. Are you resizing an ext3 partition? |
| 18:11.43 | lindenle | cydork: maybe i am using wrong |
| 18:12.03 | Skrot- | Hi guys. How can I write a script that checks if a file has FOO{1,2,3} in it, and if it does, renames it so that FOO{1,2,3} appears at the end of the file (but before the extension), and the filename can contain multiple .'s? |
| 18:12.07 | Coburn | jordygh yes filesystem with puppy live |
| 18:12.30 | cydork | lindenle: do you see anything in /var/log/messages related to pppd when you run wvdial? |
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| 18:14.21 | fritz[] | I'm trying to install oreon on my debian machine, but the interface in apache is not working :-( |
| 18:14.33 | fritz[] | ./oreon just does not exist :-( |
| 18:14.36 | ChrisGo | Oh that sucks |
| 18:15.55 | shao_lap | I can't figure out how to start this .jnlp file with java :( |
| 18:15.58 | JordiGH | Waitaminute. Puppy isn't Debian. |
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| 18:16.27 | Coburn | yes but i use ubuntu that based on debian |
| 18:16.48 | JordiGH | !knoppixsmite Coburn |
| 18:16.56 | JordiGH | !based on Debian |
| 18:16.57 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 18:16.58 | Daveman | :D |
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| 18:19.41 | stew | Skrot-: rename 's/(FOO[123])(.*)\.([^\.]*)$/$2$1.$3/' filestorename |
| 18:19.53 | stew | Skrot-: or something like that. it should be close |
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| 18:20.07 | JordiGH | Wow. stew is a regexp nerd. |
| 18:20.34 | stew | but it's so simple! |
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| 18:21.51 | Skrot- | stew: Thanks, I'll check it out :) |
| 18:22.19 | rahul | Coburn: so you'd ask for help on SuSE in #redhat? |
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| 18:23.07 | fritz[] | how can I (newbie-ish-like) configure apache2 after installing it with apt-get install apache2? |
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| 18:23.23 | r0sk | hi ppl |
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| 18:23.35 | Coburn | rahul i have ubuntu but in channel of ubunru nobody can help me |
| 18:23.38 | r0sk | anyone knows something bout that: |
| 18:23.38 | r0sk | # dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 18:23.38 | r0sk | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: apache is broken or not fully installed |
| 18:23.40 | r0sk | ? |
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| 18:23.46 | stew | Coburn: try aubuntu mailing list |
| 18:24.01 | Skrot- | stew: So (.*)(FOO[123])(.*)\.([^\.]*) should work for A.b.c.d.e.FOO1.g.h.i.j.png for instance? And do you know how to put it in a script to recursivly rename files? :) |
| 18:24.07 | Leandro | NVIDIA driver asks for this "No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel;" |
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| 18:24.30 | Leandro | then tries to find it, or its source to compile |
| 18:24.33 | Leandro | fails every time |
| 18:24.37 | Leandro | what should i do |
| 18:24.42 | stew | Skrot-: yes it would work for any number of .s (the \.([^\.]* part matches the last dot and anything that follows it) |
| 18:24.44 | rahul | Coburn: and how would we be able to help you with something we don't use? |
| 18:24.46 | Wolfcastle | Leandro: install the kernel-source |
| 18:24.51 | dkr | Leandro: read the error message it says when it fails... |
| 18:24.56 | Coburn | stew thx i think that i should be reformat |
| 18:25.17 | stew | Skrot-: to change files recursively: find /somedir -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rename 's/...../.../' |
| 18:25.22 | ChrisGo | if i have apache installed already but want php what package would i use so it auto fingures or group of packages? |
| 18:25.34 | Coburn | rahul my problem is not depending on type of distro you use |
| 18:25.40 | stew | Coburn: what version of apache? what version of php? |
| 18:25.49 | Leandro | yes, it does |
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| 18:26.00 | stew | ChrisGo: ^^^ not Coburn |
| 18:26.02 | Leandro | thing is i dont want nobody to compile nothin without my consent |
| 18:26.13 | Leandro | and i cant consent anything i dont know what is |
| 18:26.20 | Wolfcastle | Leandro: what is the exact error message? |
| 18:26.26 | Leandro | its larger |
| 18:26.30 | Leandro | priv |
| 18:26.35 | rahul | Coburn: then don't come to a distro-specific channel |
| 18:26.44 | ChrisGo | stew: 2.0.54-5sarge1 from apt-get install apache2 and for PHP latest and stable would be fine |
| 18:26.56 | stew | ChrisGo: libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 18:27.07 | dkr | Leandro: aptitude install linux-kernel-headers ; cd /usr/src ; ln -s linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 linux ; then re-run nvidia*.run |
| 18:27.12 | ChrisGo | stew: so 5 is no good |
| 18:27.12 | Leandro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.12 | Leandro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.12 | Leandro | -> No matching precompiled kernel interface was found on the NVIDIA ftp site; |
| 18:27.12 | Leandro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:27.20 | Coburn | ok sorry but i think that you are more expert than people stay in ubuntu channel |
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| 18:27.29 | stew | dkr: bah, don't make that symlink |
| 18:27.33 | rahul | Coburn: then use debian. |
| 18:27.37 | Justin | Leandro: use the debian packages for the nvidia drivers. |
| 18:27.41 | dkr | stew: well, that's where nvidia installer looks |
| 18:27.49 | stew | oh |
| 18:27.52 | stew | that's broken |
| 18:27.56 | ChrisGo | But if your human you HAVE to use Ubuntu |
| 18:28.06 | dkr | ChrisGo: owning humans is illegal |
| 18:28.13 | vulture | s/your/you're/ |
| 18:28.14 | zoldar | anybody succeeded in running ipmi support on ibm xseries ? |
| 18:28.19 | vulture | dkr: Indeed. |
| 18:28.20 | Skrot- | stew: Does it work with echo instead of rename, so I can just check that it works first? |
| 18:28.22 | Leandro | Justin, im trying nvida controllers because my card is old and im not getting the best out of it |
| 18:28.25 | Coburn | rahul sorry but ubuntu is more recent |
| 18:28.47 | rahul | Coburn: bullshit |
| 18:28.52 | dkr | Leandro: aptitude install linux-kernel-headers ; cd /usr/src ; ln -s linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 linux ; then re-run nvidia*.run |
| 18:28.54 | stew | Skrot-: "man rename" there is a switch to make it test first |
| 18:28.55 | rahul | ubuntu is old debian unstable packages |
| 18:29.01 | Skrot- | stew: okay :) |
| 18:29.04 | stew | Coburn: rahul: please keep it on-topic |
| 18:29.15 | Leandro | dkr, read that... will try |
| 18:29.39 | dkr | ok, just resent since you got kicked around then. :) |
| 18:29.46 | Coburn | i know debian is best |
| 18:29.49 | rahul | stew: "use debian if you want to get help in #debian" is on-topic. |
| 18:29.50 | Coburn | but it is a little more difficutl |
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| 18:29.59 | Leandro | no prob |
| 18:30.04 | Leandro | after that it should be ok? |
| 18:30.08 | stew | rahul: whatever ubuntu bases is pacakges on is off-topic |
| 18:30.10 | rahul | Coburn: so don't bother us about your problems with something we don't use... |
| 18:30.13 | dkr | rahul: "but you guys are smart, so you must be able to help me with offtopic stuff!" |
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| 18:30.49 | dkr | same things happens in #perl with people asking php questions, sed, or reegx questions. heh :) |
| 18:30.56 | rahul | heh |
| 18:31.17 | abrotman | dkr: that's just silly .. who would go to #perl for help ... |
| 18:31.25 | cydork | heh |
| 18:31.31 | Coburn | rahul the problem of linux is this all people use different distro and don't want help other distro user we are too much divided!!! |
| 18:31.41 | stew | Coburn: try ##linux |
| 18:31.50 | rahul | Coburn: uh, no. this is #debian. a channel for help with debian. |
| 18:31.50 | dkr | Coburn: that's also a strength |
| 18:31.51 | stew | Coburn: sorry we are unable to help you. |
| 18:32.25 | cydork | Coburn: we dont use it! we dont know about it! we might break your system! so plese ask #ubuntu! |
| 18:32.27 | rahul | Coburn: if you want help with general linux things, or specific applications, there are channels for that |
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| 18:33.04 | Coburn | debian and ubuntu aren't so different guy |
| 18:33.07 | Leandro | dkr, this pack? kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches |
| 18:33.19 | rahul | Coburn: they are. |
| 18:33.20 | heh_v_water | Coburn, yes they are |
| 18:33.25 | Coburn | anyway sorry for my intrusion |
| 18:33.30 | stew | Coburn: they are. please move on |
| 18:33.31 | rahul | Coburn: and we don't even know the details of how different they are. |
| 18:33.38 | dkr | Leandro: well, I have both, but I only made the symlink to linux-headers, not linux-source |
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| 18:34.23 | Leandro | found it |
| 18:34.44 | Leandro | woops |
| 18:34.48 | Leandro | im up to date |
| 18:34.55 | biesbjerg | hello... What would be a reason to why a cronjob wouldn't get executed? I added my cronjob with crontab -u web -e and added this line: * * * * * /opt/lampp/bin/php /web/vhosts/domir.biesbjerg.com/app/cron_dispatcher.php /inquiries/cli_import_emails >> /tmp/domir_imap_fetch.log 2>&1 |
| 18:35.03 | biesbjerg | shouldn't that run every minute? |
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| 18:35.56 | plutonas | i am trying to connect through dhcpclient |
| 18:36.00 | christopherl | Mplayer doesn't open dvd movies, error: Failed to open dvd://1. Someone? |
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| 18:36.14 | rahul | christopherl: tell it your dvd device |
| 18:36.15 | plutonas | but it looks at 255.255.255.255 |
| 18:36.18 | plutonas | what can i do</ |
| 18:37.11 | h3xis | christopherl, check your mplayer settings and make sure your dvd device is at wherever it is |
| 18:37.12 | Leandro | there are headers specific for my proc architecture... |
| 18:37.12 | abrotman | plutonas: that's what it should be doing |
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| 18:37.12 | plutonas | abrotman: but it doest connect |
| 18:37.12 | stew | christopherl: does /dev/dvd exist? is it a symlink to your actual dvd drive device? |
| 18:37.13 | plutonas | why? at my home it works |
| 18:37.18 | plutonas | but here at the uni dhcliend doesnt work |
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| 18:37.35 | stew | !customer |
| 18:37.36 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 18:37.43 | christopherl | stew: I don't know, how can I see where my dvd drive lives? |
| 18:38.18 | stew | christopherl: what does "ls -l $(readlink -f /dev/dvd)" return? |
| 18:38.37 | plutonas | can someone help me set this up? |
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| 18:40.30 | karmatronic | plutonas, are you sure it s supposed to work at uni? |
| 18:40.36 | plutonas | yeah |
| 18:40.41 | karmatronic | plutonas, if they re doing mac filtering |
| 18:40.53 | plutonas | karmatronic: i think they are |
| 18:41.00 | christopherl | stew: /dev/hdb. I wrote that in preferences and now nothing happens, when play DVD |
| 18:41.08 | christopherl | not even a error message |
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| 18:41.11 | karmatronic | plutonas, then are you sure your MAC address is authorized |
| 18:41.16 | karmatronic | plutonas, ? |
| 18:41.18 | stew | christopherl: what does "ls -l $(readlink -f /dev/dvd)" return? |
| 18:41.50 | stew | plutonas: you are using dhclient? perhaps they want you to send a hostname? dhclient wouldn't by default, look at /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 18:42.03 | christopherl | stew: brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom 3, 64 2007-02-09 15:25 /dev/hdb |
| 18:42.13 | stew | christopherl: are you in the cdrom group? |
| 18:42.22 | stew | christopherl: ("groups" will tell you) |
| 18:42.31 | quintin | I hate adjusting CRT monitors |
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| 18:43.09 | christopherl | stew: I got: christopherl adm dialout fax cdrom floppy tape audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin |
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| 18:43.30 | ChrisGo | whats the aclocal command and can it be used on Deb? |
| 18:44.26 | stew | christopherl: does it work if you run "mplayer --dvd-device=/dev/dvd dvd://1" ? |
| 18:44.27 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo: you don't know what it is but want to use it anyway? :) |
| 18:44.45 | ChrisGo | fsmunoz: yea its part of instructions so im figuring out |
| 18:44.52 | stew | ChrisGo: its part of gnu autotools (automake/autoconf/libtool, etc), and yes, you can use it on debian |
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| 18:44.59 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo: anyway, aclocal is part of automake. What it does exactly is probably an hairy deal, as are most automake/autoconf things |
| 18:45.04 | mhiku | is there other way than screen? |
| 18:45.25 | rpc | is there a way to wipe the arp proxy cache with single command? |
| 18:45.26 | christopherl | stew: nothing happens |
| 18:45.32 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo, http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=a/aclocal |
| 18:45.45 | ChrisGo | fsmunoz: so if I see that in a command list with instructions do I need to know about it or should it just work? |
| 18:45.50 | fsmunoz | As I said, hairy stuff, at least for me |
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| 18:46.08 | Twelve-Apostles | Hello fellow Internet Addicts, are we all looking forward to another long & glorious weekend of irc? :) |
| 18:46.17 | h3xis | indeed |
| 18:46.24 | ChrisGo | So is there an apt-get package for that? |
| 18:46.35 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo: you have instructions that what you to use aclocal directly? |
| 18:46.39 | ChrisGo | or is it part of build-essentials |
| 18:46.48 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo, part of automake |
| 18:46.50 | karmatronic | rpc, arp -d all |
| 18:47.20 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo, I never used aclocal directly myself, sp I can't help you there... |
| 18:47.59 | ChrisGo | aclocal libtoolize --force automake --add-missing --copy small part of instructions |
| 18:48.00 | rpc | karmatronic thank you very much |
| 18:48.17 | fsmunoz | Usualy aclocal is invoked and used by the "./configure" part of automake, transparent to the user |
| 18:48.26 | karmatronic | rpc, actually i mnot sure, did it work ? |
| 18:48.34 | rpc | hm nope |
| 18:48.37 | rpc | unknown host :/ |
| 18:48.38 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo; well, then yes, aclocal is part of automake, install it and see. |
| 18:48.48 | rpc | karmatronic i got a PERM entry that i can't del with -d |
| 18:48.55 | rpc | not sure wtf is wrong in there |
| 18:49.03 | ChrisGo | there is a ./build_oem.sh well see if that does it |
| 18:49.26 | ChrisGo | is automake included with build-essential package? |
| 18:49.45 | christopherl | what's the best dvd player for linux?? |
| 18:49.54 | Twelve-Apostles | christohper |
| 18:49.57 | Twelve-Apostles | Windows Media Player |
| 18:50.00 | Twelve-Apostles | running in wine is your answer :) |
| 18:50.10 | stew | Twelve-Apostles: do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:50.25 | scv | Twelve-Apostles, hahaha, could you? |
| 18:50.29 | Eulex | christopherl, vlc is pretty sweet |
| 18:50.30 | fsmunoz | ChrisGo, don't think so, but check it yourself with apt-cache show build-essential |
| 18:50.32 | amphi | christopherl: mplayer IMHO |
| 18:50.33 | sam_ | I am setting up several debian machines for people to take away and use at home, I would like a Gui so that when they get the machine home and boot it it allows them to create a username + password.. does anything exist to do this? |
| 18:50.35 | ChrisGo | I doubt it but now I want some food |
| 18:50.35 | Twelve-Apostles | scb, i run it all the time |
| 18:50.39 | Twelve-Apostles | it runs sexy in wine |
| 18:50.44 | Twelve-Apostles | scv,: |
| 18:50.45 | Eulex | actuallt, I doubt wmp will run in wine |
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| 18:50.55 | Eulex | amphi, mplayer doesn't do titles |
| 18:50.56 | amphi | Twelve-Apostles: why on earth would you do such a thing? |
| 18:50.57 | Twelve-Apostles | eulex, the memory allocation error is fixed |
| 18:50.58 | Twelve-Apostles | with wmp 11 |
| 18:51.02 | stew | christopherl: is that different than when you run it without --dvd-device? |
| 18:51.02 | Eulex | kk |
| 18:51.05 | Twelve-Apostles | the Urge service |
| 18:51.09 | Twelve-Apostles | it owns itunes |
| 18:51.14 | amphi | Eulex: true; never missed 'em |
| 18:51.19 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 18:51.27 | Eulex | Twelve-Apostles, still, anything owns wmp anytime |
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| 18:51.47 | karmatronic | rpc, maybe have a look here http://docs.hp.com/en/B3782-90716/ch07s01.html |
| 18:52.07 | scv | Twelve-Apostles, m$ software is almost non-wine-proof now |
| 18:52.22 | scv | -_- |
| 18:52.24 | Twelve-Apostles | vista+? |
| 18:52.31 | resiak | I'm using a d-i daily from a couple of days ago. When I ask it to create a LV of size 140G I instead get an LV of size 150323MB, which is 7G bigger. Anyone seen this before? |
| 18:52.32 | scv | more |
| 18:52.37 | Twelve-Apostles | I hear uac thrashes wine |
| 18:52.37 | olpau | I am using Debian Etch with vserver. the vserver kernel 2.6.18-7 is broken. is there a new kernel version in the queue? |
| 18:52.40 | Twelve-Apostles | havent messed with wine yet |
| 18:52.43 | Twelve-Apostles | and vista |
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| 18:53.24 | scv | you guys can only run the old-school windows apps now |
| 18:53.32 | Twelve-Apostles | amphi? |
| 18:53.35 | ChrisGo | apt-get install automake1.9 FTW |
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| 18:53.50 | Twelve-Apostles | I used my visa to buy my vista, but i also needed my visa to travel to europe, so i could use my vista in europe |
| 18:53.55 | amphi | Twelve-Apostles: ¿ |
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| 18:54.11 | scv | vista is the future!!! |
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| 18:54.21 | christopherl | stew: I got: DVD successfully opened.+ more text. But nothing happens |
| 18:54.29 | christopherl | hangs |
| 18:54.29 | etchjster | why is this??? debian:/home/user# ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:54.30 | etchjster | bash: /root/.xsession-errors: No such file or directory |
| 18:54.45 | amphi | scv: the future ain't what it used to be, huh? |
| 18:54.51 | Twelve-Apostles | the only time i use debian is at work where I run xoops on it |
| 18:54.52 | scv | hahaha |
| 18:54.56 | Twelve-Apostles | because its $30,000 less then sharepoint |
| 18:55.03 | Twelve-Apostles | run a heavily modified xoops |
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| 18:57.27 | etchjster | no one? |
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| 18:58.07 | olpau | I am using Debian Etch with vserver. the vserver kernel 2.6.18-7 is broken. is there a new kernel version in the queue? |
| 18:58.10 | amphi | etchjster: why are you trying to run .xsession-errors? |
| 18:58.24 | quintin | Is there any X package that aids in calibrating CRT monitor? |
| 18:58.27 | stew | etchjster: becuase you are being wise and not logging into X as root |
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| 18:59.10 | fsmunoz | quintin, not sure what you mean... many moons ago I used xvidtune for messing with CRT's though |
| 18:59.34 | quintin | fsmunoz: like, drawing a grid and shit so I can make my monitor pretty |
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| 19:00.18 | fsmunoz | quintin, not following you... you want colour calibration perhaps? Horizontal/vertical size adjustments? |
| 19:00.35 | grew | what does ~/.xsession-errors have to do with logging into x as root? |
| 19:00.50 | quintin | fsmunoz: size adjustments, mainly. |
| 19:01.05 | quintin | fsmunoz: and fixing 'pincushion', or whatever |
| 19:01.07 | abrotman | fsmunoz: he wants a grid on the screen so he can make sure the monitor settings are correct .. width/diaganol etc |
| 19:01.12 | stew | grew: ~ == /root |
| 19:01.14 | fsmunoz | quintin, xvidtune does that IIRC, vertical and horizontal size, alignment, etc. |
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| 19:01.26 | fsmunoz | quintin, just fire it up, it's there by default I think |
| 19:01.31 | ChrisGo | anyone notice that linux seems ot be harder on the drives? |
| 19:01.41 | grew | ChrisGo: no |
| 19:01.46 | ChrisGo | a simple rm -R is thrashing my drive |
| 19:01.53 | etchjster | someone tried to tell me that today |
| 19:01.59 | grew | ChrisGo: rm -R != simple |
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| 19:02.05 | abrotman | ChrisGo: you're reomving files .. what did you think would happen ? |
| 19:02.05 | etchjster | linux eats hard drives |
| 19:02.12 | ChrisGo | lol |
| 19:02.12 | etchjster | what they said |
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| 19:02.32 | ChrisGo | just i never heard the drive make sounds like that when win xp was on it |
| 19:02.37 | ChrisGo | so i commented :) |
| 19:02.50 | etchjster | lol |
| 19:03.03 | quintin | fsmunoz: that's not drawing me anything... |
| 19:03.31 | fsmunoz | quintin, of course not, it doesn't draw, it allows you to change the screen size and alignment. |
| 19:03.37 | ChrisGo | whats the cp flag to overwrite on files same name? |
| 19:03.43 | etchjster | why dont i have an ~/.xsession-error file anymore??? |
| 19:03.44 | rahul | man cp... |
| 19:03.54 | ChrisGo | oh yeah |
| 19:03.58 | rahul | seriously... |
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| 19:04.09 | nweaver916 | hey guys |
| 19:04.11 | fsmunoz | etchjster, if that worries you do a "touch ~/.xsession-errors" :-) |
| 19:04.16 | etchjster | lol |
| 19:04.23 | etchjster | is it erased on reboot? |
| 19:04.24 | resiak | abrotman: how do you avoid suicide here? |
| 19:04.27 | nweaver916 | anyone have a few minutes to help me with vsftpd (don't send me to #vsftpd, as they are worthless) |
| 19:04.48 | abrotman | resiak: beer |
| 19:04.52 | resiak | cool |
| 19:04.55 | fsmunoz | etchjster, no |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | nweaver916: with debian ? |
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| 19:05.07 | abrotman | resiak: thank goodness we got rid of so many people ... |
| 19:05.21 | nweaver916 | abrotman: are there other versions of linux? ;) |
| 19:05.22 | resiak | abrotman: what, so many good people? |
| 19:05.24 | grew | mmmm beer |
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| 19:05.32 | grew | i forsee lots of guinness in my future |
| 19:05.48 | quintin | fsmunoz: I want something to draw pictures to help adjust monitor.. many such things exist for widnows |
| 19:05.50 | abrotman | resiak: the ones that are no longer here! |
| 19:06.03 | abrotman | nweaver916: then just ask |
| 19:06.08 | stew | etchjster: becuase you are logged in as root, not as user |
| 19:06.12 | etchjster | so what could have happen to it? |
| 19:06.18 | stew | etchjster: type "whoami" |
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| 19:06.26 | nweaver916 | vsftpd on deb stable |
| 19:06.35 | nweaver916 | trying to make it so 2 ftp users share a home directory |
| 19:06.59 | nweaver916 | user1 can upload only, not list files or download (well, I don't care about download, they would have to know the filename, ls is what I need to prevent) |
| 19:07.00 | resiak | abrotman: yes |
| 19:07.05 | nweaver916 | user2 has full access |
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| 19:07.22 | mhiku | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.28 | etchjster | whoami??? |
| 19:07.29 | nweaver916 | been trying user_conf files, filesystem permissions, hide_files directives in ftpd.conf |
| 19:07.31 | grew | preventing ls sounds like a bad security model |
| 19:07.41 | etchjster | wont work as root either |
| 19:07.42 | resiak | etchjster: it's a command; run it |
| 19:07.49 | etchjster | permission denied as user |
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| 19:07.59 | zapalotta | hello |
| 19:08.19 | stew | etchjster: what file are you expecting to exist? /root/.xsession-errors ? or /home/user/.xsession-errors ? |
| 19:08.22 | grew | etchjster: if whoami is returning permission denied, you have more serious issues |
| 19:08.47 | etchjster | whoami is user |
| 19:08.49 | Kevin` | try id |
| 19:08.49 | zapalotta | I just installed Testing. Everything works fine, but I cannot change the display freqeuncy. Is there any comfortable way or do I need to edit xfree86.conf/xorg.conf? |
| 19:08.55 | Kevin` | the command |
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| 19:09.04 | etchjster | i want to check ./xsession-errors |
| 19:09.13 | grew | zapalotta: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is pretty comfy to me |
| 19:09.15 | etchjster | ~/.xsession |
| 19:09.25 | apt | ~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it). |
| 19:09.47 | stew | etchjster: try /home/user/.xsession-errors instead of ~/.xsession-errors |
| 19:09.59 | zapalotta | grew: well, I used to mess around with XFree86.conf abozt 10 years ago, I'd really be happy if I wouldn't havbe to think about it again :) |
| 19:10.20 | stew | !drxxorg zapalotta |
| 19:10.20 | dpkg | zapalotta: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 19:11.06 | etchjster | bash: /home/user/.xsession-errors: Permission denied |
| 19:12.00 | grew | etchjster: replace user with your actual username you login as |
| 19:12.02 | h3xis | can i use the 2.6.20 kernel alongside debian's ipw3945 modules? |
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| 19:12.24 | etchjster | i log in as user |
| 19:12.27 | etchjster | lol |
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| 19:12.59 | stew | etchjster: run "pager /home/user/.xsession-errors" not just "home/user/.xsession-errors" |
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| 19:16.51 | WhiteFox | Essa sala é do Brasil? |
| 19:17.13 | h3xis | anyone here recommend seamonkey over "iceweasel"? |
| 19:17.29 | amphi | !tell WhiteFox about br |
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| 19:18.05 | resiak | h3xis: why not try both and see which you prefer? |
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| 19:18.29 | h3xis | resiak, yeah, i will but i was just looking for reasons as to why someone might prefer one over the other |
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| 19:19.05 | resiak | h3xis: Well, one is just a browser and one has a mail client and so on, so they're basically for different purposes |
| 19:19.42 | espen | anyone know how to convert knoppix to debian? |
| 19:20.05 | ChrisGo | i know this is a noob question but how do i make my debian console have cool colors? |
| 19:20.15 | h3xis | resiak, are they both the same though stability wise? i've been using opera for a while and i've never been able to get a media plugin to work and so i was considering going back to a mozilla browser |
| 19:20.20 | resiak | espen: you don't |
| 19:20.44 | ChrisGo | right now my command shell is debian:/# and ls doesnt color code stuff like i am used to |
| 19:20.51 | stew | etchjster: we'd recommend reinstalling |
| 19:20.52 | resiak | h3xis: I doubt either one crashes every five minutes, since thousands of people depend on them working |
| 19:20.59 | stew | ChrisGo: color code what, exactly? |
| 19:21.05 | amphi | ChrisGo: alias ls='ls -F --color=auto' |
| 19:21.05 | stew | ChrisGo: like, ls? |
| 19:21.07 | resiak | !lscolour |
| 19:21.07 | h3xis | resiak, yeah good point. alright, thanks for your insight |
| 19:21.07 | espen | i read that sysvinit is different |
| 19:21.10 | ChrisGo | stew: like +x files should be green |
| 19:21.17 | resiak | hrm, the bot has changed since, well, two years ago ;) |
| 19:21.27 | ChrisGo | !lscolour |
| 19:21.31 | ChrisGo | !lscolor |
| 19:21.45 | stew | ChrisGo: what amphi said, edit .bashrc |
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| 19:22.22 | dpkg | To get colored ls output, go ls --color, or alias ls='ls --color=auto', or the most permanent solution, uncomment (remove leading #) the line in ~/.bashrc that says alias ls='ls --color=auto" and uncomment the 3 lines in ~/.bash_profile that source the bashrc ( if [-f ~/.bashrc] then . ~/.bashrc fi ) |
| 19:23.03 | ChrisGo | wherte is this bash file? |
| 19:23.16 | amphi | ChrisGo: ~ |
| 19:23.44 | stew | ChrisGo: /root/.bashrc |
| 19:23.50 | grew | that is, if you use bash :P |
| 19:24.33 | ChrisGo | all thats in there is dbootstrap_settings install-report.template |
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| 19:25.09 | ChrisGo | hook a brother up :) |
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| 19:26.51 | stew | ChrisGo: in your /root/.bashrc? |
| 19:27.11 | stew | ChrisGo: somehting must have blown it away. you might want to "cp /etc/skel/.bashrc /root/" |
| 19:27.25 | amphi | ChrisGo: ls -a |
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| 19:27.57 | stew | oh, i misunderstood, i guess |
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| 19:28.27 | ChrisGo | ok now its there :) |
| 19:28.38 | ChrisGo | whats -a do shos hidden files or some shit? |
| 19:28.49 | amphi | the former ;) |
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| 19:29.08 | amphi | man ls will reveal the mysteries of ls |
| 19:29.30 | etchjster | ok when i ran it with pager it workes |
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| 19:30.29 | ChrisGo | amphi i will do that right after i find out how to commit these new changes i made to bash |
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| 19:30.56 | ChrisGo | do i have to resync or restart soemthing to make my new console explode in my face with color |
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| 19:31.10 | etchjster | i wonder why just ~/.xsession-=errors used to work? |
| 19:32.08 | ChrisGo | ok i just relogged an i got color thanks |
| 19:32.48 | amphi | etchjster: what do you mean, 'work'? |
| 19:33.08 | etchjster | i mean give me my error info |
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| 19:33.17 | etchjster | and boy is there a bunch |
| 19:33.27 | ChrisGo | nice so with shell aliases you can make you commands more simple like add -a to all ls commands or something |
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| 19:33.42 | ChrisGo | that right there is better then anything windws has |
| 19:33.54 | ChrisGo | totally sold now baby |
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| 19:33.58 | amphi | heh |
| 19:34.04 | ChrisGo | cd . |
| 19:34.09 | ChrisGo | opps |
| 19:34.37 | amphi | ChrisGo: 'cd .' is pretty much a NOP |
| 19:34.50 | HardDisk_WP | Hi |
| 19:35.02 | Twelve-Apostles | nice, I just reformatted my ext2 partition and rm -rf'd my debian install |
| 19:35.04 | HardDisk_WP | anyone experienced in using Tape streamer devices?? |
| 19:35.06 | Twelve-Apostles | and put on Windows ME instead |
| 19:35.10 | Twelve-Apostles | good times ahead IMO |
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| 19:35.38 | ChrisGo | amphi: NOP? |
| 19:35.43 | amphi | ChrisGo: a do nothingt |
| 19:35.53 | ChrisGo | yes I saw that meant cd ~ |
| 19:35.56 | amphi | s/t$// |
| 19:36.03 | ChrisGo | alias rm='rm -i' is really a nice noob feature |
| 19:36.14 | amphi | ChrisGo: cd with no args is the same as cd ~ |
| 19:36.55 | stew | "cd ." isn't always a noop |
| 19:37.00 | stew | but usually |
| 19:37.13 | ChrisGo | cd ~ and cd and cd /root all the same |
| 19:37.25 | ChrisGo | coolness i like cd / the best |
| 19:37.40 | Justin | ChrisGo: cd only takes you to /root if you are being stupid and working as root |
| 19:37.41 | ChrisGo | its like the My Computer Icon for me |
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| 19:37.51 | amphi | stew: really? |
| 19:38.00 | ChrisGo | Justin: i have to since im intsalling crap |
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| 19:38.21 | ChrisGo | then i guess i will su more when needed |
| 19:39.07 | ChrisGo | gimmie more cool commands... whats task manager or netowork connection list? |
| 19:39.11 | stew | amphi: for instance: mkdir /tmp/a ; touch /tmp/a/foo ; cd /tmp/a ; ls ;then in another shell run "rm -rf /tmp/a ; mkdir /tmp/b ; touch /tmp/b/goo ; mv /tmp/b /tmp/a" ; then in the first shell run "ls ; cd . ; ls" |
| 19:39.27 | abrotman | !tell ChrisGo about grounding |
| 19:40.00 | stew | amphi: or instead of rm -rf /tmp/a .... ; you could do "mount /dev/cdrom /tmp/a" and see something similar |
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| 19:40.24 | stew | amphi: like "umount /mnt ; cd /mnt ; mount /dev/cdrom /mnt ; ls ; cd . ; ls" |
| 19:40.46 | amphi | uhuh ;) |
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| 19:41.19 | stew | hmm, it seems "cd ." is always a noop in fish |
| 19:41.35 | stew | no, i lied |
| 19:42.29 | ChrisGo | ohhh noob as in assembly lol |
| 19:42.36 | ChrisGo | i mean noop |
| 19:42.50 | Roey | hi, how do I make a swapfile (a file I made with mkswap) load up as swapspace in /etc/fstab? |
| 19:42.55 | Roey | hey stew, amphi, ChrisGo |
| 19:43.06 | Roey | amphi, you're on oftc too I noticed |
| 19:43.15 | abrotman | Roey: swapon -a |
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| 19:43.34 | Roey | abrotman: well yes but what do I put in /etc/fstab to make it start up automatically on boot? |
| 19:43.37 | Roey | abrotman: thanks btw |
| 19:43.40 | Roey | hey abrotman |
| 19:43.42 | abrotman | same as the other one! |
| 19:43.53 | abrotman | /dev/sda4 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 19:43.56 | abrotman | for example |
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| 19:43.58 | PupenoR | Where can I see an HTML version of a man page to print it? |
| 19:44.06 | abrotman | man2html |
| 19:44.15 | amphi | stew: interesting; I just tried your first example |
| 19:44.23 | amphi | Roey: yeah |
| 19:44.45 | PupenoR | aren't the manpages accessable on-line (like FBSD's, OBSD's, etc). |
| 19:44.55 | ChrisGo | whats the cleanest safest way to remove an apt-get install 'd package? |
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| 19:45.13 | amphi | ChrisGo: aptitude remove foo |
| 19:45.20 | abrotman | PupenoR: ask google |
| 19:45.21 | amphi | ChrisGo: or apt-get remove foo |
| 19:45.37 | PupenoR | abrotman: already did. |
| 19:45.42 | amphi | ChrisGo: man apt-get has the details ;) |
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| 19:49.43 | ChrisGo | ohh whast the diff between aptitude and apt-get |
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| 19:49.58 | petemc | ChrisGo: aptitude us more featureful |
| 19:50.01 | petemc | is |
| 19:50.02 | xp_prg2 | anyone know how i set the locacle on debian etch? |
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| 19:50.13 | ChrisGo | but overall apt-get is the same thing |
| 19:50.13 | petemc | xp_prg2: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:50.21 | amphi | !tell ChrisGo about aptitude |
| 19:50.29 | petemc | ChrisGo: they achieve the same thing, aptitude is mroe advanced |
| 19:50.32 | ChrisGo | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and boom same thing |
| 19:50.45 | amphi | !tell ChrisGo about why aptitude |
| 19:50.53 | xp_prg2 | ok thanks |
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| 19:52.13 | GeorgeS069 | Could someone tell me where to setup my WiFi settings(SSID and such)? I have the BCM43xx module loaded but,that's about as far as I got. |
| 19:52.30 | ChrisGo | so what if you know what package you need like apt-get apache2 are you saying I should type aptitude and find it in the never ending list? |
| 19:52.36 | Edwin_Quijada | GeorgeS069: I have the same problem |
| 19:52.46 | Edwin_Quijada | but I have acx100 loaded |
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| 19:52.59 | amphi | GeorgeS069: iwconfig |
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| 19:53.03 | Danielss89 | hi, how can i see ALL cronjobs that my server does? its 4.0 etch |
| 19:53.30 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: Thanks |
| 19:53.42 | Supaplex | Danielss89: /etc/cron* ; crontab -l, possibly check each user to (see man pages) |
| 19:54.00 | Edwin_Quijada | amphi: but how u can check all wifi in the air? |
| 19:54.13 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: iwlist <iface> scan |
| 19:54.33 | Danielss89 | oki, every day at this time, my mysql, stops working, and when i try to connect with SSH its EXTREMELY slow.. |
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| 19:54.48 | Danielss89 | i think that maby a cronjob does this.. |
| 19:54.50 | Edwin_Quijada | amphi: I have acx100 but when I use iwconfig jus I get |
| 19:55.30 | ChrisGo | so if i wanted to quickly get my system up and going is apt-get install pack1 pack2 pack3 OK to use? |
| 19:55.37 | Edwin_Quijada | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 19:55.38 | Edwin_Quijada | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 19:55.38 | Edwin_Quijada | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
| 19:55.47 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: I have no idea what acx100 is |
| 19:55.51 | Supaplex | !tell Edwin_Quijada -about paste |
| 19:55.59 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: eth0 is a wired NIC I presume |
| 19:56.09 | ChrisGo | looking for personal opinions I guess |
| 19:56.12 | amphi | ChrisGo: yes |
| 19:56.13 | Edwin_Quijada | amphi: this a module for card texas Instruments |
| 19:56.20 | ChrisGo | thanks amphi |
| 19:56.25 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: you have modprobed it? |
| 19:56.26 | Phil|Away | guys, is it possible to grep the output of a cat for "value1" OR "value2"? |
| 19:56.34 | sepski | Phil|Away, yes |
| 19:56.53 | Supaplex | Phil|Away: | egrep '(value2|value1)' |
| 19:56.57 | Edwin_Quijada | yes! |
| 19:57.00 | Phil|Away | ok, ty |
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| 19:57.08 | Supaplex | Danielss89: could be logrotate to |
| 19:57.22 | sepski | Phil|Away, or grep 'value1\|value2' |
| 19:57.22 | Edwin_Quijada | amphi: How? modprobe acx |
| 19:57.30 | Danielss89 | but would that turn off the mysql server Supaplex? |
| 19:58.01 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: modprobe <module_name> |
| 19:58.09 | Supaplex | Danielss89: logrotate can reload/restart a service so the log files are recreated. look at dpkg -L mysql-server for clues. |
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| 19:58.13 | Edwin_Quijada | amphi: I did it |
| 19:58.21 | Phil|Away | thanks sepski |
| 19:58.29 | Edwin_Quijada | if I see the lsmod it is in |
| 19:58.32 | amphi | Edwin_Quijada: does ifconfig -a show the iface? |
| 19:58.41 | solemnwarning | Does sarge-backports have KDE 3.5? |
| 19:58.42 | Danielss89 | well i can do anything with SSH right, now, it takes over an minute when i write something for it even to appear.. |
| 19:59.02 | ChrisGo | would it not be nice if all linux distros used the same package manager like aptitude? |
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| 19:59.26 | Danielss89 | cant* |
| 19:59.32 | solemnwarning | ChrisGo: What about libs, ect? |
| 19:59.38 | Edwin_Quijada | just I get etho lo and sit0 |
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| 19:59.44 | solemnwarning | Binaries from one dist may need diff libs to another |
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| 20:00.06 | kb1_kanobe | g'day all. |
| 20:00.09 | ChrisGo | that is what makes linux so hard to get into i think |
| 20:00.15 | Supaplex | Danielss89: does top show any busy processes? |
| 20:00.21 | ChrisGo | all the diff packages and choices but no clue on whats best |
| 20:00.27 | squisher | Hi, is the a program that will allow me to upload songs to an out of the box ipod shuffle? |
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| 20:00.36 | solemnwarning | Whatever one your distro supports |
| 20:00.37 | squisher | gtkpod complains about some missing directory structure... what is that about? |
| 20:00.56 | ChrisGo | exactly |
| 20:01.15 | solemnwarning | If in doubt, tarball |
| 20:01.35 | etchjster | all sorts of mimetype/servicetype errors |
| 20:01.44 | Danielss89 | Supaplex dont know, i cant do anything, i just try typing mc 4 minutes ago, and nothing appeared yet |
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| 20:02.23 | kb1_kanobe | quick question about apt package maintenance processes - there is an apache module I've been using for a while that contains a small but significant bug that was patched at source back in late November. The apt packages in unstable and testing predate that patch. How might I go about suggesting the package be updated w/o stepping on any toes? |
| 20:02.44 | Edwin_Quijada | I get ndiswrapper but when when I try to mdprobe debian freeze |
| 20:03.52 | vibe- | can someone help me with battery management on an acer travelmate 4000? |
| 20:03.52 | Supaplex | kb1_kanobe: include said patch with a bugreport |
| 20:03.53 | solemnwarning | Does sarge-backports have KDE 3.5? |
| 20:03.53 | kb1_kanobe | Supaplex: there is an Apache buzilla thread that covers the whole issue I could site. Where would I submit this within the debian org? |
| 20:03.54 | kb1_kanobe | Supaplex: cite, even |
| 20:04.09 | stew | kb1_kanobe: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 20:04.11 | Supaplex | !reportbug |
| 20:04.12 | Edwin_Quijada | GeorgeS069: Can u configure the wlan? |
| 20:04.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 20:04.25 | GeorgeS069 | Edwin_Quijada: I'm working on it now |
| 20:04.26 | kb1_kanobe | tks all |
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| 20:04.40 | stew | kb1_kanobe: is it a security related bug? |
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| 20:05.11 | kb1_kanobe | stew: no. just bad interop (http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=37770) |
| 20:05.13 | Edwin_Quijada | GeorgeS069: Can u tell me something when u finished? |
| 20:05.20 | GeorgeS069 | Edwin_Quijada: might take me a long time...I do show the wireless interface as eth1 though so I am making progress:) |
| 20:05.24 | Danielss89 | oki Supaplex know i opened a new connection and typed top, lets see when i get some results |
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| 20:05.46 | Edwin_Quijada | GeorgeS069: what can u get with ifconfig -a? |
| 20:06.17 | amphi | GeorgeS069: so do iwlist eth1 scan |
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| 20:07.27 | GeorgeS069 | Edwin_Quijada: "Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device" |
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| 20:09.18 | GeorgeS069 | Edwin_Quijada: seems like the radio is off but,I'm not yet sure how to turn it one |
| 20:09.25 | GeorgeS069 | s/one/on |
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| 20:11.08 | Edwin_Quijada | GeorgeS069: u and me are equal |
| 20:11.09 | Edwin_Quijada | :( |
| 20:11.41 | ChrisGo | is there a way when you doing makes and configues and make installs to not get so much crap on the screen other than errors? |
| 20:11.51 | ChrisGo | man thats annoying |
| 20:11.55 | xand | ChrisGo: > /dev/null |
| 20:12.26 | ChrisGo | xand: will that show errors? |
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| 20:12.40 | amphi | GeorgeS069: what happens if you do iwconfig eth1 essid foo ? |
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| 20:13.11 | ChrisGo | that dumps all output to no where land right no output at all |
| 20:13.15 | xand | ChrisGo: i think so; errors are usually sent to STDERR instead of STDOUT |
| 20:13.23 | ChrisGo | ohh nice |
| 20:13.32 | amphi | ChrisGo: that sends stdout to the bitbucket |
| 20:13.40 | GeorgeS069 | Edwin_Quijada: it saves the setting |
| 20:13.58 | ChrisGo | so i would do ./buildme > /dev/null ? |
| 20:14.16 | Edwin_Quijada | GeorgeS069: si |
| 20:14.44 | scv | ... |
| 20:14.48 | ChrisGo | that is one thing in common with all linux the myterious /dev/null |
| 20:15.04 | ChrisGo | i mean there isnt even a folder there lol |
| 20:15.15 | ChrisGo | why doesnt it error :) |
| 20:15.28 | tuvwx | ChrisGo, which is perfect for discarding output |
| 20:15.40 | stew | ChrisGo: its there. "ls -l /dev/null" or "file /dev/null" |
| 20:15.57 | amphi | ChrisGo: you just have to remember to empty it occasionally |
| 20:16.23 | xand | heh |
| 20:16.36 | tuvwx | ChrisGo, you forward output to /dev/null to discard it. when there is lots of unneeded output, forwarding to /dev/null speeds up a lot |
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| 20:23.04 | GeorgeS069 | Edwin_Quijada: don't give up...I am making progress |
| 20:23.23 | shining | I've a problem using at, it doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:24.07 | shining | I try to run something, I see the job in "atq", then when the time comes, nothing happens, but atq shows nothing (so the command is correctly gone) |
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| 20:24.46 | Edwin_Quijada | GeorgeS069: At last u can see wlan0 |
| 20:25.27 | lechef | i have a problem configuring my nvidia geforce 7600gs |
| 20:25.27 | lechef | the xserver does not start |
| 20:25.30 | GeorgeS069 | Edwin_Quijada: you may want to try #wireless for some help |
| 20:25.31 | x_link | Which command should I use to see which java and version I use ? |
| 20:25.36 | abrotman | and the X log says ? |
| 20:25.48 | lechef | and apt can't find the package nvida-glx |
| 20:25.55 | lechef | the log says no screens found |
| 20:26.09 | abrotman | x_link: java -showversion .. maybe |
| 20:26.17 | x_link | abrotman: ok |
| 20:26.21 | xand | java -version |
| 20:26.25 | x_link | ok |
| 20:26.36 | x_link | Cause limewire is not working when I have Beryl running |
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| 20:26.53 | solemnwarning | How do I tell apt to overwrite files if they already exist? |
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| 20:27.44 | asg | solemnwarning: dpkg --force-help |
| 20:27.49 | stew | solemnwarning: why? what 2 packages are conflicting? |
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| 20:28.11 | solemnwarning | stew: kdelibs-data and kplayer |
| 20:28.40 | pumpkin0 | solemnwarning: in sid ? |
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| 20:29.00 | solemnwarning | Sarge, using backports |
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| 20:29.22 | amphi | GeorgeS069: what progess? you set the essid? did it associate? |
| 20:29.26 | solemnwarning | How do I make apt-get overwrite files? |
| 20:29.42 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: no...it seems like the radio is still not turned on |
| 20:29.46 | shining | solemnwarning: did you look at what asg told you? |
| 20:29.58 | solemnwarning | Not working with apt |
| 20:30.08 | amphi | GeorgeS069: this is a card built into a laptop (minipci or whatever)? |
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| 20:30.17 | lechef | why doesn't apt-get install find the package nvidia-glx? |
| 20:30.19 | pumpkin0 | solemnwarning: you will need the dpkg-options anyway. |
| 20:30.22 | plutonas | i want to start printing from linux, i know my printer is supported, as i could print from mandrake some years ago... how can i configure debian to print too? |
| 20:30.27 | lechef | i did apt-get upgrade and update |
| 20:30.42 | lechef | i use the amd64 edge r4 distro |
| 20:31.00 | ofer0 | plutonas, install cups, enter the Web GUI and add your printer, then install cups-client and print! |
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| 20:31.13 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: It's built-in |
| 20:31.20 | solemnwarning | How do I use dpkg options on apt-get? |
| 20:31.32 | amphi | GeorgeS069: did you look at linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org |
| 20:31.34 | amphi | ? |
| 20:31.39 | pumpkin0 | lechef: you need the non-free repo in your sources.lst. |
| 20:31.47 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: I will now...thanks |
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| 20:31.53 | rpc | does anyone know a good network calc online? |
| 20:31.56 | plutonas | ofer0: what is the web gui's domain? |
| 20:32.11 | ofer0 | plutonas, I don't remember, something like localhost:663 |
| 20:32.23 | lechef | pumpkin0, how do i do this? |
| 20:32.45 | plutonas | OleMoudi: thx |
| 20:32.46 | ofer0 | plutonas, that's 631 |
| 20:32.54 | GeorgeS069 | glad this thing has a wired connection :) |
| 20:32.56 | stew | solemnwarning: you don't want ot make them overwrite, you want to get compatible versions of those pacakges |
| 20:32.58 | plutonas | ofer0: thx... wrong nick |
| 20:33.01 | plutonas | ok. |
| 20:33.26 | solemnwarning | I've got KDE 3.5 half-installed, I want it to overwrite |
| 20:33.30 | pumpkin0 | lechef: open (as root) the file /etc/apt/soucres.lst, add "non-free" to the end of the line with the main repo. run apt-get update. |
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| 20:34.06 | lechef | ty pumpkin0 |
| 20:34.23 | pumpkin0 | lechef: it should look like this: "deb ftp://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free" |
| 20:34.26 | plutonas | ofer0: there is no cups package... |
| 20:34.56 | plutonas | on testing |
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| 20:35.14 | lechef | ups sorry i don't use etch i use sarge but that won't make a difference? |
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| 20:35.29 | ofer0 | plutonas, then maybe that's cupsd |
| 20:35.53 | pumpkin0 | lechef: use the same line, but relace etch with sarge. |
| 20:35.54 | [H]3b0R | hello, i have an strange problem here linux identifies my external hard drive as an HPFS/NFTS, but its formatted as ext3, what do i do? |
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| 20:36.13 | lechef | ok thats what i thought ;) |
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| 20:36.17 | sepski | [H]3b0R, check the partition type |
| 20:36.23 | lechef | thank you very much |
| 20:36.27 | stew | [H]3b0R: HPFS/NTFS is a partition type, ext3 is a filesystem type |
| 20:36.28 | MmikeDOMA | Is there a way to read the temperature sensor from Ati Radeon 9600 XT board, or is that driver (radeon/fglrx) dependant? |
| 20:36.36 | plutonas | ofer0: neither... |
| 20:36.49 | plutonas | i have no idea what it could be... |
| 20:36.55 | shining | oh |
| 20:37.00 | [H]3b0R | stew: but "ntfs" filesystem type for winblows? |
| 20:37.06 | shining | it's not possible to run graphical applications with at ? |
| 20:37.18 | stew | [H]3b0R: what about it? |
| 20:37.27 | shining | just tried a rm somefile, and it worked |
| 20:37.34 | ofer0 | plutonas, apt-cache search cups | grep -i cups | sort |
| 20:37.35 | stew | [H]3b0R: or, can you tell us exactly what the actual problem is? |
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| 20:37.57 | pumpkin0 | [H]3b0R: you can set the partition type byte to anything you want. linux does not care about it. |
| 20:38.13 | [H]3b0R | the problem is that linux thinks the partision is an ntfs or hpfs formatted while its an ext3 |
| 20:38.21 | stew | [H]3b0R: why is that a problem? |
| 20:38.30 | stew | [H]3b0R: the two are not mutually exclusive |
| 20:38.31 | [H]3b0R | because i cant write to it |
| 20:38.33 | pumpkin0 | [H]3b0R: and the error-msg is ? |
| 20:38.36 | stew | [H]3b0R: why can't you write to it? |
| 20:38.43 | solemnwarning | Why does apt-get decide not to upgrade packages? |
| 20:38.52 | [H]3b0R | pumpkin0: where do i check that? |
| 20:38.53 | MmikeDOMA | shining, graphical apps need to know where is xserver to display themself onto, (see DISPLAY envitonment), and when at runs app it doesn't have Xserver context |
| 20:39.03 | plutonas | ofer0: must be cupsys |
| 20:39.04 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to install KDE 3.5 from backports, it's skipping 279 packages |
| 20:39.06 | [H]3b0R | stew: because linux thinks its an ntfs hard drive!!! |
| 20:39.21 | shining | MmikeDOMA: oh I see, thanks |
| 20:39.27 | ofer0 | plutonas, can be. |
| 20:39.42 | stew | [H]3b0R: what makes you say that? |
| 20:39.44 | pumpkin0 | [H]3b0R: at some time the system tells you "this is a NTFS-thing, i cannot mount it". That is a error-message. type it in here, word by word. |
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| 20:40.49 | stew | [H]3b0R: what makes you say that you cannot write to it? are you getting some error somewhere? how did you mount the filesystem? |
| 20:41.06 | [H]3b0R | /dev/sdb1 * 1 516817 244196001 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 20:41.22 | amphi | [H]3b0R: what does file -s /dev/sdb1 say ? |
| 20:41.32 | [H]3b0R | and wine cant even open files on an ntfs partision |
| 20:41.49 | stew | [H]3b0R: that says that the partition type is "HPFS/NTFS" but that doesn't say anything about what filesystem is inside that partition |
| 20:41.53 | GeorgeS069 | Aha!...just found out my chipset doesn't work with the standard bcm43xx driver. |
| 20:42.07 | [H]3b0R | amphi: /dev/sdb1: Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) (large files) |
| 20:42.20 | amphi | GeorgeS069: bummer |
| 20:42.21 | stew | [H]3b0R: right, so its an ext3 filesystem, not an nfts filesystem |
| 20:42.37 | [H]3b0R | stew: but look what wine says |
| 20:42.41 | [H]3b0R | and fdisk |
| 20:42.52 | stew | [H]3b0R: fdisk doesn't know anytihng about filesystems |
| 20:42.58 | stew | [H]3b0R: what does wine say? |
| 20:43.02 | pumpkin0 | [H]3b0R: i still do not see the problem: linus does not care about the partition type outputed by fdisk/cfdisk/sfdisk.... |
| 20:43.15 | stew | [H]3b0R: did you mount the filesystem? |
| 20:43.25 | [H]3b0R | on system theer normally "ext3" |
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| 20:43.39 | [H]3b0R | stew: wine says its wrong partisin type |
| 20:43.44 | [H]3b0R | stew yes |
| 20:43.53 | stew | [H]3b0R: how did you mount the filesystem? |
| 20:44.18 | [H]3b0R | mount -a, mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdisk |
| 20:44.37 | stew | [H]3b0R: and you cannot edit files in /media/usbdisk? |
| 20:45.15 | [H]3b0R | aparently i can:s |
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| 20:51.34 | Surferdude | anyone know the default ext3 block size is? trying to set quotas |
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| 20:52.14 | stew | Surferdude: 4k |
| 20:52.28 | Surferdude | thanks |
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| 20:53.19 | siimo | duuuude |
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| 20:53.54 | MatBoy | is there a way to convert a .bin to a .iso under debian ? |
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| 20:54.08 | MatBoy | when the.cue is available |
| 20:54.50 | Phil|Away | MatBoy: bchunk |
| 20:54.56 | dkr | couldn't you just add the ,.bin and .cu as datafiles to the iso filesystem? |
| 20:55.05 | MatBoy | Phil|Away, ok, thanks... found that too.. so it's good I think :) |
| 20:55.10 | Phil|Away | :) |
| 20:55.24 | dkr | or use mencoder to transcode it to a better format, :) |
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| 20:55.58 | zinx | you can burn .bin/.cue with cdrdao |
| 20:56.17 | zinx | (it reads .cue files...) |
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| 20:59.32 | MatBoy | wow, thanks, bchunk is great ! |
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| 21:03.10 | karsten | !bin/cue |
| 21:03.11 | dpkg | .bin and .cue files are part of a Golden Hawk Technology CDRWIN image. You can convert a CDRWIN image to ISO/WAV with "bchunk". You can also burn the image using cdrdao. |
| 21:03.38 | Justin | in the case of a vcd or such, you can also just play them directly with mplayer/vlc etc |
| 21:03.49 | fritz[] | !mds |
| 21:04.41 | karsten | ... and apparently the next release of Java won't have garbage collection. |
| 21:04.52 | karsten | It's being replaced with a recycling program. |
| 21:04.58 | Woosta | What's the official way to stop appletalk starting up at init? I could remove the link to the rc2 directory, but I figure ther's a proper 'official' way .. |
| 21:05.15 | karsten | Woosta: update-rc.d. Or remove the package. |
| 21:05.20 | fgxn | Woosta: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 21:05.25 | Woosta | ta |
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| 21:05.41 | montoya | Hi, I have a problem: http://rafb.net/p/4f1JDP95.html |
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| 21:07.02 | karsten | !sound |
| 21:07.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 21:10.44 | infernix | i accidentally activated Xorg's keypad control for mouse movement. how the hell do i turn it off? :) |
| 21:11.27 | karsten | infernix: IIRC: alt-numlock |
| 21:11.40 | plutonas | hm, just configured printing, but it prints only some words of the text, usually links, why is that? |
| 21:11.41 | stew | or just numlock :) |
| 21:11.45 | bwlang | is there some way to identify a motherboard from software (like a DSDT?) |
| 21:11.51 | Danielss89 | Supaplex: okey now i finally can use SSH, im un cron.daily right know.. and in the file logrotate... how can i see what time its executed? |
| 21:11.55 | infernix | ctrl-shift-numlock. thanks :) |
| 21:12.00 | stew | bwlang: dmidecode |
| 21:12.02 | karsten | bwlang: dmidecode |
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| 21:12.18 | karsten | Danielss89: ?? |
| 21:12.24 | bwlang | thanks guys - couldn't remember that one... |
| 21:12.46 | tuvwx | anybody else seeing weired xfdesktop memory usage? VIRT reached 350MB after about 24 hours, and climbing again after it was killed and restarted |
| 21:13.10 | Thms | dé fill pour un gar de 14a ? |
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| 21:13.28 | Danielss89 | Every day(i think) around 19-20-21 my server closes the mysql server, and via SSH is it so slow so that i cant even use it.. im thinking that maybe a cronjob is doing it or a logrotate |
| 21:13.40 | plutonas | ofer0: it doesnt print as it should |
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| 21:13.51 | plutonas | it prints only some of the words of the text... |
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| 21:14.36 | Danielss89 | any ideas on what to do? |
| 21:14.42 | karsten | Danielss89: /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log, /var/log/syslog |
| 21:14.57 | etchjster | .xsession-error file is erased when x is restarted |
| 21:15.01 | karsten | Danielss89: I'd check messages/daemon for cron messages. Also auth.log for any remote access at that time. |
| 21:15.04 | Danielss89 | karsten i check that, and theres nothing unusual around that clock |
| 21:15.08 | karsten | Thms: English |
| 21:15.12 | karsten | !fr |
| 21:15.12 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:15.37 | etchjster | can using kde app in gnome cause mime/type errors? |
| 21:15.53 | karsten | etchjster: Definitely maybe. |
| 21:16.04 | stew | etchjster: what is a "mime/type error"? |
| 21:16.15 | etchjster | my xsession-errors was huge |
| 21:16.20 | etchjster | now its small |
| 21:16.24 | karsten | stew: It's when a silent guy in a white suite hogs your Selectric[tm] |
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| 21:16.46 | stew | karsten: using kde could probably cause that, then |
| 21:16.48 | karsten | etchjster: sell it as a diet solution. |
| 21:16.57 | jindal | hello guys any |
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| 21:18.58 | Danielss89 | theres nothing in the files karsten.. |
| 21:19.09 | jindal | hello guys any suggestions how to restrict a user-account to be valid only a a single machine at a time when using freeradius ...... at present any number of sessions can be opened using a single valid account |
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| 21:20.06 | karsten | Danielss89: That would suggest that either 1. that isn't the problem or 2. the data aren't being preserved. |
| 21:20.36 | Danielss89 | karsten: any ideas on what might be causing it? |
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| 21:20.57 | Danielss89 | its rather annoying, its in the middle of my peak hour.. |
| 21:20.59 | Danielss89 | s |
| 21:21.00 | karsten | jindal: possibly through pam. maxlogins. |
| 21:21.01 | etchjster | this is what gave me all the errors (kbuildsycoca) whatever it is |
| 21:21.03 | etchjster | lol |
| 21:21.05 | karsten | Danielss89: Nope. |
| 21:21.13 | etchjster | what is it?? |
| 21:21.29 | karsten | etchjster: How should we know? |
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| 21:21.36 | Danielss89 | karsten can i check what time the files in cron.daily is executed? |
| 21:21.45 | jindal | karsten: where does pam come into picture? |
| 21:21.46 | karsten | etchjster: ... though jname suggests it's part of KDE, emulating Mac gui possibly. |
| 21:22.17 | karsten | Danielss89: /etc/crontab will have the run-parts invocation. |
| 21:22.30 | heiner | Danielss89: you could either start a "date" command in "cron.daily", or find the place where it is invoked |
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| 21:23.04 | heiner | Danielss89: karsten's suggestion is better ;-) |
| 21:23.18 | sh3mh4mf0r4sh | hi what package name is when you want change gdm - theme? |
| 21:23.30 | lechef | if i try to install nvidia-glx with apt-get i get the error the package depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 |
| 21:23.38 | lechef | anybody knows how to fix this? |
| 21:23.41 | karsten | jindal: It's part of the security / authentication mechanism. /etc/security/limits.conf as well. |
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| 21:23.44 | streuner | !tell sh3mh4mf0r4sh about search |
| 21:23.48 | Danielss89 | it says 25 6 <-- so is that 6:25 in the eveing or in the morning.. if its in the evening it fits perfectly, its right about that time my server goes |
| 21:23.49 | Danielss89 | mad |
| 21:23.55 | Danielss89 | *poof* |
| 21:23.56 | karsten | Danielss89: man 5 crontab |
| 21:24.06 | Danielss89 | kar? |
| 21:24.09 | Danielss89 | karsten? |
| 21:24.16 | karsten | No. crontab. |
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| 21:24.26 | Danielss89 | lol |
| 21:25.02 | Danielss89 | oh so its in the morning, but that makes no sense karsten :D |
| 21:25.34 | Danielss89 | can i change it so that its around 3:30 wittout harming anything? |
| 21:25.43 | lechef | i also tried apt-get install nvidia-kernel=1.0.7174 but that package wasn't found |
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| 21:26.09 | heiner | Danielss89: that question is not too hard to answer: just do it |
| 21:26.15 | Danielss89 | hehe |
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| 21:26.47 | karsten | Danielss89: We're prodding you a bit toward self-sufficiency. |
| 21:26.59 | karsten | Danielss89: It makes you somewhat less annoying, and more useful. |
| 21:27.22 | dkr | "Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31" which is the flash plugin iceweasel is using after recetn etch update isn't playing sound. How do I figure out what is wrong? (xmms plays music ko) |
| 21:27.24 | dkr | ok |
| 21:27.31 | karsten | !sound |
| 21:27.31 | dpkg | sound is, like, ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 21:28.44 | rosminet | hello |
| 21:29.08 | LightKnight | Does any of you use athcool? What benefits can give on a machine running, say, fetchmail every 5 minutes plus a bunch of other daemons? |
| 21:30.57 | sepski | LightKnight, from the package description, the benefits include a slowdown in harddisk performance, system locks or instability and massive corruption of the filesystem (observed at least once) |
| 21:31.39 | dkr | karsten: hrm, thos seem to just be about getting sound to work at all. as I said, I have sound working, just the recent flash update doesn't work |
| 21:32.10 | sepski | LightKnight, jokes aside, the advantage is powersaving, (for enviorment or economical reasons) if the machine is idle for periods of time it might be worth it, but with that package description you better not have anything critical running, and have good backups |
| 21:32.20 | karsten | dkr: Might check to see if you're using alsa and/or if flash is talking appropriately to it. Also check mixer levels (both aumxi and alsamixer). |
| 21:32.23 | dkr | and since it's aplugin in iceweasel, I have no logs or feedback |
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| 21:32.47 | LightKnight | sepski: Well, that's for the worst cases, one always hopes not to fall there :) |
| 21:33.28 | sepski | LightKnight, backups backups backups !!!!111one1eleven! :) |
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| 21:33.32 | LightKnight | sepski: No, nothing critical, it's just my desktop machine. I should really arrange some backup facility, but this is another story, not depending by athcools :) |
| 21:34.25 | craigevil | LightKnight: tried using athcool never really noticed any difference in temps or speed |
| 21:34.46 | dkr | karsten: ah, I'm not using alsa, xmms was playing my music with esound. forgot about that. so I guess I need to get alsa working for flash plugin to work. thanks |
| 21:34.55 | karsten | dkr: NP |
| 21:36.10 | rosminet | I'm searching a light laptop model, with wifi, multicard reader, ethernet and very light, could advice me one, or what I must not buy ? |
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| 21:36.55 | rpc | what cpu/mem? |
| 21:37.02 | rpc | and what lcd size preferred? |
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| 21:37.10 | spldart | I want to run 2.6 kernels on a couple of k6-II machines... Do I have any practical recourse? |
| 21:37.33 | rosminet | cpu +- 1.8-2 Ghz, Ram +- 1Go, lcd 12-13 " :-) |
| 21:37.42 | spldart | I can't get rt61.o module to build on 2.4.27-k6 source |
| 21:38.01 | rpc | rosminet do you want to run games on it or just work? |
| 21:38.01 | stew | spldart: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:38.03 | Nighteye | I'll soon find out |
| 21:38.08 | spldart | stable |
| 21:38.10 | rosminet | just work, no games |
| 21:38.11 | stew | spldart: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 21:38.12 | spldart | 3.1 |
| 21:38.15 | petemc | spldart: that should have no effect on you running 2.6 kernels... |
| 21:38.28 | karsten | rosminet: I generally point folks at ThinkPads, though they're not _all_ compatible these days. |
| 21:38.32 | petemc | erm, ive just crossed conversations |
| 21:38.34 | rpc | rosminet i would strongly recommend IBM T40 then, you can have it off-lease pretty cheap and these machines are impossible to kill |
| 21:39.08 | hmmer | exit |
| 21:39.11 | rpc | rosminet besides the missing card reader all is there... cpu 1.5-1.6 (p4 mobile), ram up to 1GB |
| 21:39.24 | karsten | rosminet: The T40 was LJ's editors'/readers' pick several years running. |
| 21:39.25 | spldart | I assume 2.4 -k6 kernel takes advantage of optimizations of k6 but a generic 2.6 would not |
| 21:39.25 | rpc | rosminet very light, very solid build and very thin too |
| 21:39.39 | h3sp4wn | rosminet: I would go for a panasonic toughbook but only because i break laptops so easily |
| 21:39.47 | karsten | !win spldart |
| 21:39.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, spldart! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:40.01 | rpc | rosminet good battery life, great dvd reader (slim), 14.1" lcd, weight is ~2.2kg (euro measurement) |
| 21:40.04 | h3sp4wn | rosminet: (well the harddrives in the anyway) |
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| 21:40.23 | rosminet | T40 ok panasonic... ok I will have a look, I didn't think it's so difficult to find a laptop for debian |
| 21:40.39 | karsten | rosminet: It's not so much that it's difficult, but: |
| 21:40.46 | karsten | rosminet: 1. There's a lot of crap out there. |
| 21:40.51 | rpc | rosminet just look for ThinkPad and you won't regret it... trust me, i work with pads since 4 years |
| 21:41.01 | vibe- | can someone help me with battery management on an acer travelmate 4000? |
| 21:41.08 | karsten | rosminet: 2. IBM / Lenovo have rock-solid reputations. Both build quality and Linux support. |
| 21:41.12 | anapivirtua_ | Night all. |
| 21:41.14 | rpc | watch out for shiny crap very well built in china :) all those toshibas and such |
| 21:41.32 | spldart | So my only option for 2.6 on these old machines is to run a 386 flavor? |
| 21:41.33 | amphi | rosminet: my T42 runs debian most nicely |
| 21:41.38 | rosminet | I was told ibm are good, now it's confirmed |
| 21:41.44 | rpc | hm yes i would happily swap for T42 :) |
| 21:41.51 | rpc | rosminet they are the best... |
| 21:41.55 | rpc | and i mean it |
| 21:42.05 | karsten | rosminet: and 3. There's a lot of unsupported HW (mostly WiFi cards) on newer kit. Avoid like the plague. Also watch for Nvidia video (avoid, go ATI/Radeon instead) and Broadcom NICs (avoid like the plague). |
| 21:42.12 | rpc | right karsten. |
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| 21:42.28 | rosminet | except I have to pay the M........T taxe :-( |
| 21:42.33 | rpc | and ibm is fully supported - everything just works |
| 21:42.34 | MsgToThePpl | there's a good video editor ? mean some kind of "virtualdub" ? |
| 21:42.39 | GeorgeS069 | hehehe.....now ya tell me |
| 21:42.45 | amphi | GeorgeS069: heh |
| 21:42.49 | rpc | rosminet but T40-T42 you can get offlease pretty cheap - just look on ebay |
| 21:42.59 | rpc | you will be surprised :) |
| 21:43.08 | karsten | rosminet: Windows Refund HOWTO: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html |
| 21:43.12 | rosminet | It would be nice :-) |
| 21:43.29 | rpc | rosminet T40 is the only laptop you can stand on when the lid is closed... nothing will break :) i saw it |
| 21:43.39 | rpc | rosminet what do you say? :) |
| 21:44.13 | karsten | rosminet: Another approach is Apple iBooks / PowerBooks. I don't care for the keyboard layout or mouse buttons. |
| 21:44.22 | karsten | rosminet: ... some people do though. |
| 21:44.22 | rpc | yes, agreed karsten |
| 21:44.36 | stew | s/buttons/button/ |
| 21:44.39 | rpc | even though you can install OSX on intel based laptop... but tsshh... ;) |
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| 21:45.05 | karsten | dpkg: windows-refund howto is http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html |
| 21:45.05 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 21:45.13 | karsten | rpc: ;-) |
| 21:45.25 | spldart | the suxors |
| 21:45.29 | rpc | and it works... but tshh... |
| 21:45.39 | karsten | spl? |
| 21:45.50 | rpc | and ibm is the one of the few that will support OSX well |
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| 21:45.58 | Madkiss | hi all! |
| 21:46.03 | karsten | rpc: I've seen it. Just VGA video IIRC. |
| 21:46.05 | LightKnight | craigevil: is your machine constantly loaded or does it just spawn a daemon from time to time? :0 |
| 21:46.11 | rosminet | I like powerbooks look, I've seen one recently, I found it quit heavy |
| 21:46.15 | rpc | karsten yup |
| 21:46.18 | Madkiss | Can somebody tell me p lease what the correct rsync-option is if I want the destionation to be _exactly_ the same as the source? |
| 21:46.29 | Madkiss | e.g. I also want to get files that are in the dest but not in the source to be deleted. |
| 21:46.30 | stew | Madkiss: -a |
| 21:46.39 | stew | Madkiss: -a --delete |
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| 21:46.55 | Madkiss | thanks. |
| 21:47.01 | rosminet | thanks for the infos :-) |
| 21:47.41 | rpc | ok... i would like to ask about something quite difficult: i have a vbox machine running on linux host and i try to setup host networking on it using tap device on host and arp proxy. i can ping host<>guest but guest has no Internet, any clues what the * is wrong? |
| 21:48.09 | rpc | i do need help.. spent two days on this and i feel the solution is trivial, i'm just missing something obvious probably |
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| 21:48.29 | ChrisGo | if you want to apt-get something that is testing whats do you type? |
| 21:48.31 | rpc | debian etch host and guest |
| 21:48.40 | rpc | ChrisGo you use -t |
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| 21:48.44 | peoro | hi |
| 21:48.50 | ChrisGo | -u for unstable? |
| 21:49.06 | rpc | apt-get --help |
| 21:49.07 | Guerin | ChrisGo: you use --help |
| 21:49.13 | rpc | and see -t |
| 21:49.15 | Guerin | grr |
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| 21:49.41 | rpc | Guerin :) |
| 21:49.41 | ChrisGo | grr nothing lol |
| 21:49.42 | sanmarcos-trabaj | is it possible to install a .deb under a local prefix to avoid having to be root? (no permissions) |
| 21:49.42 | rpc | grr lol |
| 21:49.45 | Guerin | sanmarcos-trabaj: yes, absolutely. |
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| 21:50.04 | peoro | i've a problem with apt: he's unable to uninstall or upgrade a package... i've pastede here the error i get trying removing it: http://rafb.net/p/aaOOKP32.html , and here the error i get trying to update: http://rafb.net/p/J6BNmF69.html |
| 21:50.14 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how? because vim fails to compile on debian |
| 21:50.17 | Guerin | sanmarcos-trabaj: you can either unar/untar it and set all the paths manually, or you can try to use dpkg's --admin-dir and --root and such |
| 21:50.46 | concept10 | sanmarcos-trabaj, you cant find vim packages no were? |
| 21:50.53 | ChrisGo | i dont get how an old stable is higher version than stable??? |
| 21:50.59 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I am not root |
| 21:51.00 | ChrisGo | with package called flex |
| 21:51.01 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I dont have access |
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| 21:51.28 | RedIsDead | hi |
| 21:51.34 | ChrisGo | oldstable is a higher version than stable, testing and unstable what gives? |
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| 21:51.43 | Guerin | ChrisGo: no, it's not. |
| 21:51.48 | stew | peoro: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/pyracerz.prerm ; make the second line "exit 0" then try removing it again |
| 21:51.53 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I tried compiling vim with ncurses all from source, installed it under a custom prefix, set it in the path, set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but I get: checking for tgetent()... configure: error: NOT FOUND!. There is no apparent solution to this. |
| 21:52.03 | ChrisGo | flex package oldstable is 2.5.4a-24 |
| 21:52.04 | peoro | ok, i'm trying, thanks stew |
| 21:52.07 | RedIsDead | anobody knows how can I see which compile options where used to create a Debian package ? |
| 21:52.08 | stew | !info flex woody |
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| 21:52.29 | ChrisGo | !info flex woody |
| 21:52.31 | Guerin | RedIsDead: in the debian/rules file of the source tarball |
| 21:52.58 | stew | !info flex sarge |
| 21:53.02 | dpkg | flex: (A fast lexical analyzer generator.), section devel, is standard. Version: 2.5.31-31sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 251 kB, Installed size: 768 kB |
| 21:53.03 | ChrisGo | !info flex etch |
| 21:53.10 | dpkg | flex: (A fast lexical analyzer generator.), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.5.33-11 (etch), Packaged size: 303 kB, Installed size: 1364 kB |
| 21:53.12 | RedIsDead | Guerin, the source is the only way, there is no any apt or dpkg command to see ? |
| 21:53.12 | stew | ChrisGo: 4a < 31 |
| 21:53.16 | peoro | it worked :) thanks again |
| 21:53.20 | Guerin | RedIsDead: nttbomk |
| 21:53.22 | mc__ | how can i get the current runlevel? |
| 21:53.41 | Guerin | mc__: runlevel |
| 21:53.45 | Guerin | *shock* |
| 21:53.46 | ChrisGo | well i get error You will need flex 2.5.4 if you want to regenerate Zend/PHP lexical parsers. |
| 21:54.01 | ChrisGo | i did the stable which one would i use for that error fix? |
| 21:54.27 | mc__ | Guerin: command not found |
| 21:54.39 | Guerin | ChrisGo: you wouldn't, you'd need a backport. Since you're clearly using stuff from outside debian anyway, this should Not Be A Problem. |
| 21:54.43 | Guerin | mc__: be root |
| 21:54.46 | SDBolts21n56 | why is ubuntu using UUID for drive configureation? |
| 21:54.49 | sanmarcos-trabaj | oh well |
| 21:54.57 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I guess ill have to keep using FUCKING vi to edit files |
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| 21:55.06 | mc__ | Guerin: ah thx,/sbin/runlevel works |
| 21:55.09 | h3sp4wn | SDBolts21n56: Why would debian know ? |
| 21:55.14 | sanmarcos-trabaj | SDBolts21n56, because its made by the same sons of bitches who did UDEV, a piece of shit from hell |
| 21:55.26 | sanmarcos-trabaj | totally useless, bad implementation, only good in theory |
| 21:55.40 | sanmarcos-trabaj | making things way more complicated for something that was not broken |
| 21:55.54 | Guerin | sanmarcos-trabaj: i told you how to install it. |
| 21:56.04 | SDBolts21n56 | h3sp4wn, sorry i thought i was in ubuntu. |
| 21:56.09 | h3sp4wn | udev was written by someone employed by suse afaik |
| 21:56.20 | sanmarcos-trabaj | hah! to make things even worst... |
| 21:56.28 | ChrisGo | whats this linux 3 and 4 is there a big version thing there? |
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| 21:56.53 | SDBolts21n56 | what is udev? |
| 21:57.12 | sanmarcos-trabaj | !udev |
| 21:57.13 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 21:58.37 | plutonas | gr, my printer selects to print only the list from the text i send it... |
| 21:58.50 | dkr | karsten: sounds all worked when I logged out of gnome and back in. (xmms and flash plugin working) I think maybe I had done an update but never restarted the apps(I stay logged into my desktop forever ;) |
| 21:59.25 | ChrisGo | there is no -t command in aptget help |
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| 22:00.26 | Phil|Away | ChrisGo: man apt-get |
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| 22:01.17 | haggz | ChrisGo: are you trying to build your application stack by taking pieces from sarge, etch, and sid? |
| 22:01.50 | ChrisGo | no i was only using apt-get package |
| 22:02.06 | ChrisGo | until now I got the error you need flex 2.5.4 |
| 22:02.25 | ChrisGo | i think i am on etch how do i know for sure |
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| 22:02.39 | ChrisGo | 3.1r4 net install basically |
| 22:02.47 | amphi | ChrisGo: that's sarge |
| 22:02.52 | cafuego_ | chris_goe: that's not etch. |
| 22:03.05 | ChrisGo | ok |
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| 22:03.40 | ChrisGo | is there no way to get 2.5.4 version of flex on sarge without breaking somehting? |
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| 22:04.05 | stew | ChrisGo: what software is telling you that you need an older flex? |
| 22:04.15 | ChrisGo | or newer ... 2.5.31-31sarge1 means flex is 2.5.31 right? |
| 22:04.32 | stew | yes |
| 22:04.39 | ChrisGo | so the package is old |
| 22:04.46 | stew | which? |
| 22:04.54 | ChrisGo | 2.5.31-31sarge1 stable |
| 22:04.59 | misnix | 31>4 |
| 22:05.03 | ChrisGo | my program is telling me I need something newer |
| 22:05.16 | stew | ChrisGo: 2.5.31 is newer than 2.5.4 |
| 22:05.22 | stew | ChrisGo: what program? |
| 22:05.28 | streuner | lol, http://www.df7cb.de/debian/quiz/ |
| 22:05.31 | ChrisGo | its for mapguide open source |
| 22:05.47 | streuner | stew: check this out :-) http://www.df7cb.de/debian/quiz/ |
| 22:05.59 | ChrisGo | wait awit WTF! how the hell ius 2.5.31 newer then 2.5.4? |
| 22:06.23 | streuner | no |
| 22:06.23 | stew | ChrisGo: becuase (31 - 4) > 0 |
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| 22:06.35 | ChrisGo | ohh |
| 22:06.50 | ChrisGo | i guess im am used to a revision . |
| 22:07.04 | ChrisGo | 2.5.3.1 < 2.5.4 |
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| 22:07.17 | gubluntu | anyone know how can i send email attachments via the cammand line? |
| 22:07.23 | abrotman | in ubuntu ? |
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| 22:07.32 | GeorgeS069 | Could someone help me fix this??I see this in dmesg "bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" not available or load failed." |
| 22:07.33 | ChrisGo | so why is my program gay then? |
| 22:07.37 | frostschutz | ChrisGo: linux kernel 2.6.20 is also newer than 2.6.8 ... |
| 22:07.44 | stew | !tell ChrisGo about gay |
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| 22:08.05 | gubluntu | now |
| 22:08.06 | izzyb | is there support for openldap 2.3 in debian sarge? |
| 22:08.08 | gubluntu | erm.. no |
| 22:08.13 | gubluntu | in anything |
| 22:08.21 | gubluntu | debian based |
| 22:08.23 | madd_matt | I ran apt-get install kdm and started it with its init script. I then went /etc/init.d/gdm stop. But in kde when i click K menu > Switch user> Start new session, it says unable to start greeter. Is there a step I'm missing here to use kdm? |
| 22:08.38 | stew | gubluntu: with mutt |
| 22:08.57 | RedIsDead | Guerin, how can I compile the package the same way Debian did, but with adding some options ? |
| 22:08.57 | gubluntu | !mutt |
| 22:08.57 | dpkg | mutt is, like, the official mailer of Debian GNU/Linux (http://www.mutt.org/) or better than pine or with message threading, built-in PGP support, and more config options than you can count, or check out http://www.mutt.org/links.html#config, or more Free than pine |
| 22:09.12 | ChrisGo | is i want to run this install what would the atp-get command be please http://packages.debian.org/oldstable/devel/flex |
| 22:09.13 | gubluntu | sweet.. thanks |
| 22:09.24 | Guerin | RedIsDead: get the source, edit debian/rules, build |
| 22:09.27 | ChrisGo | i will never ask again |
| 22:09.37 | Guerin | RedIsDead: /msg dpkg mg |
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| 22:09.54 | stew | RedIsDead: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 22:10.12 | stew | "the official mailer" ? |
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| 22:10.45 | RedIsDead | Guerin, stew, thanks ! |
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| 22:11.34 | stew | !info flex-old sarge |
| 22:11.37 | dpkg | flex-old: (The old version of the fast lexical analyzer generator.), section devel, is extra. Version: 2.5.4a-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 184 kB, Installed size: 512 kB |
| 22:11.48 | stew | ChrisGo: apt-get install flex-old |
| 22:12.33 | ChrisGo | ok so it would be apt-get install flex or flex-old or flex-testing or flex-unstable? |
| 22:14.11 | ChrisGo | !apt-get |
| 22:14.12 | dpkg | i guess apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 22:14.38 | ChrisGo | synaptic??? |
| 22:15.25 | ChrisGo | i have seen people using synaptic on other distros does that mean you guys share files? |
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| 22:16.09 | Guerin | ChrisGo: anyone can use free software. |
| 22:16.35 | Guerin | ChrisGo: that's the whole point: anyone can reimplement all debian's systems and distribute it as they like. |
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| 22:18.05 | ChrisGo | PCLinuxOS uses synaptic I guess so yea |
| 22:18.34 | stew | ChrisGo: no, just flex or flex-old, there is no flex-testing or flex-unstable |
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| 22:19.40 | haggz | Guerin: assuming, of course, they comply with the licenses of the software that comprises Debian. Gotta be ready to hand out the source. |
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| 22:20.28 | Guerin | haggz: right. |
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| 22:20.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I need to do to solve this? |
| 22:20.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: nasm (>= 0.98.34) | not+i386 |
| 22:20.42 | zOap | anyone know of an app that searches for wireless networks? |
| 22:20.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm on AMD64 |
| 22:21.00 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: you need nasm (>= 0.98.34) |
| 22:21.06 | Guerin | as it clearly says |
| 22:21.25 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: what are you trying to compile? |
| 22:21.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: | not+i386 <--- That part confused me |
| 22:21.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Xvid |
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| 22:22.18 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: are you on i386? |
| 22:22.28 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: what is the name of the pacakge? |
| 22:22.33 | Dark_Apostrophe | No, AMD64 |
| 22:22.39 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: run "apt-get build-dep packagename" |
| 22:22.43 | sanmarcos-trabaj | zOap, get a mac, kismet, iwlist |
| 22:23.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: just downloaded the src from xvid.org |
| 22:23.09 | ChrisGo | what package would this be? configure: error: Cannot find OpenSSL's <evp.h> |
| 22:23.20 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: aptitude install nasm |
| 22:23.31 | stew | ChrisGo: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 22:23.52 | zOap | sanmarcos-trabaj, iwlist? it's not in repos... |
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| 22:23.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Great, new error: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: Permission denied |
| 22:24.06 | ChrisGo | hes not responding lol |
| 22:24.09 | sanmarcos-trabaj | zOap, not under that name |
| 22:24.17 | iturk | hey guys i am using xfig to draw. But i am using touchpad so i dont have a third mouse botton. Is it possible to simulate it using some other key? |
| 22:24.22 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: what command did you type? |
| 22:24.25 | zOap | sanmarcos-trabaj, what name then? |
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| 22:24.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 22:24.38 | sanmarcos-trabaj | zOap, I want you to suffer looking for it |
| 22:24.48 | ChrisGo | did I break dpkg? |
| 22:25.02 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: looks like whomever made that package did a bang up job... chmod +x debian/rules |
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| 22:25.08 | stew | !test |
| 22:25.08 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:25.17 | stew | dpkg: tell ChrisGo about apt-file |
| 22:25.22 | zOap | sanmarcos-trabaj, oh thank you... lol, I'm pretty tired here, help me out please? without spending all my brain cells? :D |
| 22:25.40 | sanmarcos-trabaj | zOap, why? nobody ever helped me.. |
| 22:25.47 | crazy_penguin | Good night! |
| 22:25.57 | stew | zOap: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 22:27.24 | gulars | ehm... I've got etch installed, isn't that supposed to be pretty up-to-dage? |
| 22:27.28 | gulars | date* |
| 22:27.59 | zOap | stew, thanks:) |
| 22:28.12 | stew | gulars: sure |
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| 22:28.49 | ChrisGo | while thats installing :) i know its openssl is there a openssl-dev package or sonmething? |
| 22:29.02 | stew | ChrisGo: libssl-dev |
| 22:29.19 | ChrisGo | wow thanks man will try apt-file see if that come up as well |
| 22:29.37 | gulars | see, I was going to install beryl, and added their repo, and it wants libc6 v2.4.1 |
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| 22:29.43 | gulars | that's in testing, no? |
| 22:30.07 | stew | gulars: apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 22:30.16 | h3sp4wn | Does anyone know how to restore the old behavior of apt-file (so you can see some progress - without having to use -v) |
| 22:30.50 | ChrisGo | dude stew your like the BEST |
| 22:30.51 | Guerin | progress for local applications is for impatient people |
| 22:31.03 | gulars | libc6: Installed: 2.3.6.ds1-10 Candidate: 2.3.6.ds1-10 Version table: *** 2.3.6.ds1-10 0 500 http://ftp.no.debian.org etch/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 22:31.04 | Guerin | for network apps, sure - it lets you know if there are problems with your link |
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| 22:31.25 | ChrisGo | I recommend after I get my problems solved that you get a girl friend though this stuff has to shorten your life span |
| 22:31.45 | stew | ChrisGo: my wife would be pissed if i got a girlfriend |
| 22:32.05 | h3sp4wn | apt-file update uses the network |
| 22:32.18 | Guerin | it does? |
| 22:32.23 | stew | yes |
| 22:32.26 | Guerin | does it not read a local package list? |
| 22:32.29 | stew | no |
| 22:32.32 | Guerin | oh, my bad, then |
| 22:32.43 | stew | it uses wget or curl to fetch Contents |
| 22:32.50 | ChrisGo | yeah apt-file update is not working says file not found |
| 22:32.59 | Guerin | i thought that was got as a part of the update process |
| 22:33.09 | gulars | stew: should I get more recent versions on etch, or should I switch for something else? |
| 22:33.18 | ChrisGo | but without the update it still found my file |
| 22:33.26 | stew | gulars: there are no more recent versions for etch |
| 22:34.08 | stew | gulars: libc6 2.4.1 has not been packaged for debian |
| 22:34.15 | gulars | so then I could instead change all instances of etch to testing in sources.list, and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:34.16 | stew | s/for/by/ |
| 22:34.29 | stew | gulars: etch is testing. |
| 22:34.41 | gulars | aha - d'oh ;) |
| 22:34.57 | ChrisGo | does apt use dpkg or is it a whole spe updating system? |
| 22:35.09 | stew | ChrisGo: apt uses dpkg |
| 22:35.11 | n3kl_ | Does anyone know, is compiz only for gnome? |
| 22:35.12 | ChrisGo | good |
| 22:35.16 | ChrisGo | thank god |
| 22:35.21 | gulars | any ideas as to how I could get beryl installed? |
| 22:35.23 | ChrisGo | someone is thinking out there |
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| 22:36.28 | n3kl_ | gulars: deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/beryl/etch/ ./ |
| 22:36.36 | Pons | guys, i'm having a weird problem in here. I'm installing from the last debian-testing-netinst.iso, and when it has to upgrade and install packages from the online repository, it keeps waiting and says "Please wait", and in the console in ctrl-alt-f4, that show the log of what it is doing, it shows this message: "Do you want to ignore this warn and continune anyway? If you want to continue, type "SA-". If you want to abort, type "No": |
| 22:37.01 | Pons | i tried both normal and gui install and both give me the same trouble |
| 22:37.06 | stew | Pons: switch to a console, run "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update" |
| 22:37.27 | gulars | n3kl_: thanks a bunch :D |
| 22:37.42 | mphill | i am trying to installed a bunch of deb's from another system. I took the files from /var/cache/apt/archive and placed then on another system with now net connection. I tried dpkg -i * from the cdrom, that failed because it could not find the dependencies. could someone help. |
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| 22:38.02 | n3kl_ | gulars: know anything about compiz? |
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| 22:38.53 | gulars | not really, the way I understood it, beryl is a fork of compiz, to get stuff working or something :P |
| 22:38.54 | x_link | Hi |
| 22:38.56 | LinuxNIT-II | is there a gui frontend for power managerment if you are not using gnome or kde? |
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| 22:39.18 | x_link | I can use "hddtemp /dev/hda" to see the hdd temp, but is there anything for RAM? |
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| 22:39.51 | pink1 | my /etc/apt/sources.list has all the "stable" mirrors I need, but etch is going to become stable soon, but I don't want it yet. How do I avoid it until I'm ready? |
| 22:39.52 | Pons | thanx stew. I did that in the chroot of /target/ and it worked fine.. A bug on the new installer? |
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| 22:40.05 | jennam | Hi, does anyone know how I might see (from console) what speed an ethernet NIC is connected at?I tried ifconfig but it doesn't print the speed |
| 22:40.13 | ChrisGo | I am going to name a kid Lexical I think. |
| 22:40.19 | squisher | jennam: ethtool |
| 22:40.24 | stew | Pons: yeah, should be fixed in recent daily snapshots |
| 22:40.27 | gulars | n3kl: "Compiz conforms to the ICCCM standard and as such can substitute for the default Metacity in GNOME or KWin in KDE." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz |
| 22:40.28 | LightKnight | jennam: tried mii-tools? |
| 22:40.31 | bcmodder | umm just wondering but how would I go about adding a new account with permissions to /var/www |
| 22:40.36 | jennam | thanks |
| 22:40.37 | gulars | ...apparently it plays nice too :) |
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| 22:40.49 | stew | Pons: sorry i forgot to mention the /target chroot, glad you were clued :) |
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| 22:41.03 | Pons | ;) |
| 22:41.07 | x_link | ANybody |
| 22:41.09 | x_link | ? |
| 22:41.12 | Pons | i'm trying vmware-server.. |
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| 22:41.27 | etchjster | kde plasma by june?? |
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| 22:41.30 | bcmodder | umm just wondering but how would I go about adding a new account with permissions to /var/www ?? |
| 22:41.31 | etchjster | sweety |
| 22:41.31 | Pons | and i've installed debian thousands of times |
| 22:41.36 | rudenstam | how can I alter the timeout of shfs ? I suspect this has to do with the timeout of the ssh client but I find no way to alter this except the connecttimeout |
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| 22:42.11 | gulars | bcmodder: make a group and chown the dir to apache:newgroup I guess? |
| 22:42.32 | LightKnight | jennam: "mii-tool", actually :) |
| 22:42.37 | gulars | (dunno if this is reccomended, but I did that at my test-server at least) |
| 22:42.44 | bcmodder | k lol so how you make new groups? |
| 22:43.14 | jennam | Ahh.. I couldnt find it in apt, LightKnight |
| 22:43.25 | gulars | groupadd --system "groupname" |
| 22:43.56 | gulars | then adduser someuser somegroup |
| 22:44.05 | tosh| | anyone got some documentation on how to globally setup postfix+maildrop(or procmail)+spamassasin so that mails with a tag made by spamassasin will be put in the .Spam dir of a user? I can only find howto's on configs that have mysql or where the mail is stored in $HOME/Maildir. Postfix has those mappings in vmailbox which /etc/maildroprc can't use :-/ |
| 22:44.21 | LightKnight | jennam: one moment... |
| 22:44.23 | bcmodder | ah k ...also was wondering if someone knew of a good help doc for ssl |
| 22:44.55 | LightKnight | jennam: package name is 'net-tools'. |
| 22:45.15 | jennam | LightKnight, ahh thanks.. i'll be sure to try that after this comes back online.. i sure hope the self test doesnt take hours |
| 22:45.29 | sanmarcos-trabaj | etch install fails so horribly under parallels |
| 22:45.35 | sanmarcos-trabaj | debian has not made any progress it seems |
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| 22:46.22 | haggz | sanmarcos-trabaj: parallels? |
| 22:46.29 | rpc | how can i set eth0 into promisc mode? |
| 22:46.38 | ChrisGo | what would casue this automake: Utilities/Common/Makefile.am: not supported: source file `Src/Parse/yyConstraint.cpp' is in subdirectory? |
| 22:46.43 | stew | rpc: ifconfig eth0 promisc |
| 22:46.51 | octoberdan | hmmm, no audio from Flash movies... |
| 22:46.52 | rpc | stew thank you |
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| 22:46.59 | octoberdan | using iceweasel with latest flash |
| 22:47.01 | rpc | stew will that kill my connectivity to the box? |
| 22:47.05 | stew | rpc: no |
| 22:47.06 | rpc | stew it's a remote host |
| 22:47.10 | rpc | so i'm scared :) |
| 22:47.12 | octoberdan | anyone have similar symptoms? |
| 22:47.17 | stew | rpc: its safe |
| 22:47.18 | rpc | stew so safe to try, ok :) |
| 22:47.33 | squisher | octoberdan: has iceweasel even gotten stable by now? |
| 22:47.38 | stew | octoberdan: do you use alsa or oss? |
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| 22:50.16 | dkr | octoberdan: I had that problem, which I think was caused by the fact that I had done updates but never rebooted/reloaded the kernel modules. it worked fine after I rebooted |
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| 22:51.05 | etchjster | anyone use superkaramba? |
| 22:51.08 | bcmodder | k according to my server the usergroup I tried to add already exists but when I try anything with the new account like transfer from or to theres no perms |
| 22:51.32 | war | How do I see my extensions in firefox 2.0? In 1.xx there was Menu -> Extensions. |
| 22:51.34 | war | This is gone in 2.0? |
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| 22:52.28 | stew | war: tools->addons |
| 22:52.28 | etchjster | ive been using ice ape |
| 22:52.35 | etchjster | kinda weird |
| 22:53.05 | war | thx |
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| 22:55.59 | JoCat | Ahoy all. |
| 22:56.14 | stew | yay! beer o'clock |
| 22:56.21 | stew | happy friday |
| 22:56.29 | JoCat | Happy Friday. |
| 22:56.40 | jennam | anyone know how long a selftest using ethtool takes? |
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| 22:58.23 | dupie | somebody here knows how i maby can reboot my linux server ? its a remote server, ssh can make connection, but i can't 'login' :( |
| 22:58.44 | ice799 | Hi guys -- I am having this strange time synchronization issue on my local debian system... I am using ntp to keep the time up to date, but it seems to be synchronizing with either the wrong time zone or it thinks the hwclock is UTC or something like that |
| 22:59.11 | squisher | dupie: reboot? |
| 22:59.14 | ice799 | the strange thing is, my /etc/default/rcS is set to UTC=no |
| 22:59.33 | ice799 | when i type "date" it get the time 5 hours behind but it says EST |
| 22:59.39 | stew | dupie: "reboot in progress, try back later" or something? |
| 22:59.44 | ChrisGo | Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Helvetica Where do I get that package any ideas? |
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| 22:59.54 | ice799 | when i type "date --utc" i get the CORRECT CURRENT TIME but it says UTC instead of EST |
| 22:59.57 | dupie | squisher: i can't login, ssh gets connection "debug1: Connection established." but i'm not able to login :( |
| 23:00.12 | dupie | prolly becayse load on server is to high, because a crappy raid driver :( |
| 23:00.21 | jennam | dupie, no WOL or access to a power cycle? |
| 23:00.27 | dupie | nopz :( |
| 23:00.37 | squisher | dupie: unless you have something setup specifically for that, there is no way you can reboot the server without logging in... would be asking for DoS otherwise, wouldn't it? :-) |
| 23:00.58 | dupie | well ssh can make a connection it seems |
| 23:01.02 | dupie | but not log in :s |
| 23:01.04 | dupie | weird |
| 23:01.05 | jennam | are you sure its the server and not the route? |
| 23:01.08 | stew | dupie: it just sits there? |
| 23:01.10 | octoberdan | Gah, I asked a question then wandered, sorry. squisher: There is a stable build of ice weasel, I believe (I'm running 2.0.0.1 or something), but I don't think it's been adopted by Debian stable yet. dkr: I've restarted since I last messed around with it, but I'm running 2.4, could that be a problem? stew: I'm not sure, how would I check? |
| 23:01.19 | stew | dupie: let it sit for a long time. eventually it will hopefully acutally connect |
| 23:01.24 | dupie | jennam yes i'm 100% sure |
| 23:01.31 | stew | dupie: "ssh -vvv " may give you more indication of progress |
| 23:01.45 | dupie | debug1: Connection established. |
| 23:01.51 | squisher | dupie: have you just waited a long time for the login to complete, if you suspect that server load is the problem |
| 23:02.03 | dkr | octoberdan: ah, yeah, I'm running etch, which recently updated to flashplayer 9, so I assumed you had same issue as me. likely unrelated |
| 23:02.17 | dupie | it gives error squisher, i'm waiting for the error now :) so i can paste it |
| 23:02.20 | stew | its probably too many open files, or not enough memeory... |
| 23:02.34 | stew | octoberdan: does "lsmod | grep snd" return matches? or nothing? |
| 23:02.42 | stew | octoberdan: is one of those matches "snd-pcm-oss"? |
| 23:02.56 | octoberdan | stew: No matches |
| 23:03.07 | stew | octoberdan: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:03.15 | ChrisGo | URW Type 1 fonts where do I get that? |
| 23:03.24 | octoberdan | stew: 2.4.27-3-k7 |
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| 23:04.47 | stew | octoberdan: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 23:04.58 | stew | octoberdan: if that all goes sucessfully, restart the browser and try again |
| 23:05.37 | mius | nabend |
| 23:06.04 | dupie | squisher: i get 'ssh_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer' |
| 23:06.29 | squisher | dupie: probably what stew said, and you're locked out |
| 23:06.52 | dupie | damned :( |
| 23:06.59 | dupie | really no way to get the thing rebooted ? |
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| 23:07.20 | squisher | dupie: how could you possibly, if you can't get authenticated? |
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| 23:07.27 | stew | dupie: if you can't even start a shell on it, there is no way to run /sbin/reboot |
| 23:07.46 | octoberdan | hmmm, need to figure out how to change views to a pm with irssi... |
| 23:07.47 | Phil|Away | dupie: do you have another server or IP you can ssh through? |
| 23:07.55 | dupie | i dunno :) maby there is another way to get in or smth |
| 23:07.57 | ChrisGo | Error: fontconfig: Didn't find expected font family. Perhaps URW Type 1 fonts need installing? : Helvetica Where do I get that package any ideas? |
| 23:08.10 | dupie | Phil|Away: how u mean |
| 23:08.13 | stew | octoberdan: alt-# wherre # is the number in red at the bottom, or ctrl-n / ctrl-p to cycle through them all |
| 23:08.14 | squisher | mius: n'nachmittag |
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| 23:08.24 | octoberdan | stew: Just found that, thanks |
| 23:08.46 | stew | octoberdan: or type "/win 3" for instance or "/win goto #debian" |
| 23:08.47 | Phil|Away | you're most likely locked out on the IP you are connecting from. Do you have somewhere else to tunnel through? |
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| 23:09.12 | stew | Phil|Away: what would be locking him out? |
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| 23:09.15 | rokfit | can anyone help me? mldonkey cannot start engine? |
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| 23:09.28 | octoberdan | stew: Excelent! Thanks again. |
| 23:09.37 | Phil|Away | stew: probably /etc/hosts.deny |
| 23:09.39 | dupie | no Phil|Away, its not ip that is banned or smth |
| 23:09.50 | dupie | tryed 6 different servers to ssh to it so :) |
| 23:09.51 | octoberdan | stew: Would it be better if I updated to 2.6 and then installed the support on that? |
| 23:10.00 | Phil|Away | dupie: ok |
| 23:10.10 | h3sp4wn | octoberdan: if alt+# is not working then you can always use escape+# |
| 23:10.11 | BrianSteffens | anybody here ever compiled binutils/gcc/glibc? |
| 23:10.15 | stew | octoberdan: if you update to 2.6, you don't have to install support, it would already be there |
| 23:10.16 | rokfit | can anyone help with mini mouse whose bluetooth |
| 23:10.38 | ultra5 | hi |
| 23:10.43 | octoberdan | stew: I tried installing it the other day, but I lost usb mouse support and could no longer run X |
| 23:10.49 | ultra5 | please when the amd64 version of debian will be released? |
| 23:11.26 | rokfit | ultra5: it's out! |
| 23:11.26 | octoberdan | stew: Thank goodness I didn't remove the older kernel |
| 23:11.26 | rokfit | i'm on it |
| 23:11.27 | rokfit | testing |
| 23:11.27 | stew | octoberdan: add "mousedev" and "usbmouse" to /etc/modules |
| 23:11.27 | ultra5 | rokfit: where? |
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| 23:11.29 | rokfit | debian.org |
| 23:11.31 | rokfit | hold on |
| 23:11.40 | stew | ultra5: /msg dpkg amd64 ; if you mean etch: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 23:11.55 | dupie | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 23:11.56 | dupie | :p |
| 23:12.06 | ultra5 | ports??? |
| 23:12.09 | GeorgeS069 | hurray...I'm building ndiswrapper |
| 23:12.18 | ultra5 | there's nothing in the main page |
| 23:12.24 | stew | GeorgeS069: that is no reason for celebration, ndiswrapper is evil |
| 23:12.32 | rokfit | shoot, someoneo give ultra5 the link |
| 23:12.36 | dupie | ultra5: go read the page i gave u :p |
| 23:12.39 | rokfit | wait i have it in email |
| 23:12.56 | stew | rokfit: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 23:12.57 | octoberdan | Alright! Started downloading. Thanks for the help guys! |
| 23:13.05 | octoberdan | I'm going to go grab a bite to eat |
| 23:13.06 | ultra5 | dupie: infact this is not and official release... |
| 23:13.23 | stew | ultra5: correct. it will be official with etch: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 23:13.32 | dupie | ultra5: it works |
| 23:13.32 | dupie | :D |
| 23:13.35 | GeorgeS069 | stew: suggest an alternative? |
| 23:13.37 | rokfit | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:13.42 | rokfit | ultra5: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 23:13.45 | stew | ultra5: the current release which is unofficial still does get official support however, including support from the security team |
| 23:13.47 | rokfit | that link is good |
| 23:13.49 | ultra5 | dupie: I'm not saying it won't work |
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| 23:14.02 | stew | GeorgeS069: a wireless card with linux support |
| 23:14.08 | ultra5 | dupie: I'm looking for an official release... So when will etch come out? |
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| 23:14.17 | stew | !wwer |
| 23:14.17 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 23:14.20 | stew | ultra5: ^^ |
| 23:14.23 | GeorgeS069 | stew: the wireless is built-in...I can't change the card |
| 23:14.35 | stew | GeorgeS069: write native drivers for it |
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| 23:14.46 | stew | GeorgeS069: that would be less evil than using non-free drivers |
| 23:14.54 | stew | GeorgeS069: what chipset does the card have? |
| 23:14.55 | dererk | Hi there! Does somebody know WTF should I do to make a "cvs diff file" work? :| |
| 23:15.07 | stew | dererk: run it through patch? |
| 23:15.13 | dererk | It says "diffing" and doesn't show anything :| |
| 23:15.15 | bcmodder | anyone know of a good guide on how to use ssl with apache 2? |
| 23:15.17 | GeorgeS069 | I agree 100% but,I am clueless when it comes to that sort of thing and need my laptop to work |
| 23:15.28 | sanmarcos-trabaj | dererk: apt-get install subversion CVS is a piece of shit |
| 23:15.35 | sanmarcos-trabaj | bcmodder, google |
| 23:15.36 | dererk | stew, using cvs ? :\ |
| 23:15.41 | GeorgeS069 | stew: broadcom4306 I believe |
| 23:15.46 | stew | dererk: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 23:15.55 | ultra5 | stew: frozen means that it's about to come out the official release after the frozen testing release? |
| 23:16.07 | dererk | stew, I'm working with a cvs, that doesn't seem to diff anything |
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| 23:16.44 | stew | ultra5: it meas no new version are being let in except to fix release critical bugs. we should have a new release once the RC bug count hits zero http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 23:16.48 | grendal_prime | !ntfs |
| 23:16.49 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> : see http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html and http://www.linux-ntfs.org |
| 23:17.05 | ultra5 | stew: ah ok |
| 23:17.09 | stew | dererk: you mean you are running "cvs diff" and it doesn't do anything? |
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| 23:17.19 | dererk | stew, exactly |
| 23:17.35 | Mohammed | Hello guys |
| 23:17.36 | dererk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.37 | sanmarcos-trabaj | dererk: try #cvs go see for yourself how cvs is dyign slowly... SVN is the best solution out there. |
| 23:17.37 | dererk | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.41 | ultra5 | thanks |
| 23:17.50 | stew | dererk: then socketlib.py hasn't changed? |
| 23:17.53 | ultra5 | 'nite to all |
| 23:17.59 | dererk | stew, It did!!! :( |
| 23:18.04 | ReinH | Hey, anyone using postgres with ruby on etch? I'm having some trouble with the ruby bindings |
| 23:18.07 | sanmarcos-trabaj | dererk: cvs -nq up |
| 23:18.13 | grendal_prime | stew the docs im reading aobut ntfs mounting refer to umask=0002 but dpkg says umask=022 ? |
| 23:18.38 | ReinH | I've installed all the postgres packages I need (I think) and I've tried both the postgres gem and the libpgsql-ruby apt package |
| 23:18.49 | Mohammed | i have a problem of mounting an ext3 partitions, i have just installed sarge and kept my old home partition from and ubuntu installation, now i can't mount it :( |
| 23:18.56 | stew | grendal_prime: 0002 would allow writing by the gid it is mounted as, 022 (=0022) would only allow reading by the gid |
| 23:19.09 | sanmarcos-trabaj | let me guess UUID fucks one more human.. Mohammed |
| 23:19.12 | stew | Mohammed: why can't you? |
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| 23:20.09 | grendal_prime | i need to write to the damn thing |
| 23:20.42 | stew | grendal_prime: then you need to be in the damn group who's gid its being mountd as and you need to set the damn umask to 0002 |
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| 23:21.00 | Mohammed | it doesn't mount it shows this error when i do 'dmesg | tail' >> 'EXT3-fs: hda3: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (1000100)' |
| 23:21.05 | lunaphyte | is it safe to get rid of /etc/modules.conf.old? from what i can tell if you are using udev, and devfs and hotplug are gone, this isn't needed. |
| 23:21.12 | stew | grendal_prime: and you should be sure you uderstand the state of writing to ntfs (which i don't know) |
| 23:21.14 | grendal_prime | thanks damn it |
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| 23:22.42 | Mohammed | sanmarcos-trabaj: yeah, i use ubuntu in home and sarge in work, i think it is time to get rid of the human touch and get a real os |
| 23:22.54 | sanmarcos-trabaj | mac os x, indeed |
| 23:23.16 | Mohammed | i don't have that amount of money :) |
| 23:23.27 | Mohammed | but i can't stop dreaming of it |
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| 23:24.22 | raf256 | hello |
| 23:24.41 | ice799 | Hi guys -- the clock on my system is really broken and I'm not sure how to fix it. I have ntp, but either it is updating the wrong time zone (somehow?) or my hwclock is busted. When I enter the BIOS on boot, the time is correct, but when linux boots the time is wrong. |
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| 23:24.48 | raf256 | how to build and install pack foo but with CXX flag -fPIC |
| 23:25.19 | sanmarcos-trabaj | ice799, common proble |
| 23:25.20 | amphi | ice799: you have the right tz selected and the hw clock in utc? |
| 23:25.38 | ice799 | amphi the hardware clock is in my local timezone, EST |
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| 23:25.50 | ice799 | in my /etc/default/rcS it is set to UTC=no |
| 23:26.09 | ice799 | although, I was thinking I need to add the --directisa flag to my hwclock.sh script |
| 23:26.21 | amphi | ice799: then you must set your tz to utc AFAIK |
| 23:26.32 | amphi | ice799: why not have the hw clock in utc? |
| 23:26.46 | ice799 | amphi I dunno, I just set it to EST, I can set it to UTC. I don't really care. |
| 23:26.55 | ice799 | amphi well I also don't even know what time it is in UTC right now... |
| 23:27.08 | ice799 | i don't care as long as I can see the time in EST |
| 23:27.18 | shining | 23h27 I think |
| 23:27.32 | amphi | ice799: that is the normal way AFAIK; hw clock set to utc, and then tz set correctly |
| 23:27.46 | ice799 | amphi how can I check what my current tz is set to? |
| 23:27.50 | shining | amphi: not for dualboot |
| 23:27.57 | ice799 | I am dualbooting. |
| 23:28.14 | sparr | my apps are responding very slowly, and i hear my hard drive(s) thrashing. top says nothing is using a lot of cpu time, so i assume paging is at fault. how can i find the app/process responsible for the problem? |
| 23:28.19 | ice799 | when I try running "date" i get 13:28 EST |
| 23:28.22 | Nighteye | I'll soon find out |
| 23:28.22 | shining | afaik, windows always assume hw clock is local time, so you need the same in linux |
| 23:28.33 | ice799 | when I run date --utc i get the CORRECT time in est but date says it is UTC |
| 23:28.49 | stew | ice799: edit /etc/default/rcS ; set UTC=no |
| 23:28.55 | ice799 | it is |
| 23:29.01 | amphi | shining: wtf not? |
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| 23:29.15 | ice799 | stew it is, the problem is for some reason my UTC time is actually the time in EST |
| 23:29.21 | ice799 | and the time in EST is just not real. |
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| 23:29.38 | amphi | ice799: yes, probably because the offset is being applied twice |
| 23:29.43 | stew | ice799: run tzconfig |
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| 23:30.04 | amphi | shining: that's retarded; I know win98 was like that, but it can't still be like that |
| 23:30.09 | ice799 | current time zone settings are correct.. America/New_York |
| 23:30.19 | ice799 | i think maybe NTP is not working correctly |
| 23:30.29 | ice799 | maybe i am syncing to the wrong tz somehow via ntp ? |
| 23:30.39 | stew | ice799: if your clock is off by hours, ntp will not touch it |
| 23:30.48 | shining | amphi: you could be right, I'm not totally sure |
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| 23:30.59 | ice799 | Your default time zone is set to 'US/Eastern'. |
| 23:30.59 | ice799 | Local time is now: Fri Feb 9 13:30:54 EST 2007. |
| 23:30.59 | ice799 | Universal Time is now: Fri Feb 9 18:30:54 UTC 2007. |
| 23:31.04 | sprink | What's the default umask for debian/linux? |
| 23:31.08 | ice799 | which is wrong |
| 23:31.10 | sprink | for root |
| 23:31.14 | ice799 | the time in EST right now is 18:30 |
| 23:31.41 | amphi | ice799: the offset is being applied twice |
| 23:31.44 | lunaphyte | you can force ntp to ignore large skews w/ -q, if you need to. |
| 23:31.57 | ice799 | amphi ok, how do I fix that? |
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| 23:32.07 | ice799 | amphi my bios time is set to localtime |
| 23:32.15 | amphi | ice799: set the bios to utc |
| 23:32.29 | ice799 | amphi that might make my other OSes explode |
| 23:32.36 | sprink | Anyone know what the default umask is for root on debian? |
| 23:32.44 | stew | sprink: 022 |
| 23:32.45 | amphi | ice799: you can also just set the system time with date(1) |
| 23:32.50 | sprink | stew: ty |
| 23:32.52 | amphi | ice799: what other oses? |
| 23:33.06 | stew | sprink: (its set by default in /etc/profile) |
| 23:33.12 | ice799 | amphi xp |
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| 23:33.43 | sprink | stew: thanks again :) I accidently changed it and now nothing installs with the right perms.. hehe |
| 23:33.47 | ice799 | amphi i have some apps that i cant get replacements or workarounds for at the moment. |
| 23:33.52 | amphi | ice799: I have no idea about it, but I'd find it hard to believe it can't deal with a hw clock set to utc |
| 23:34.08 | amphi | ice799: you'd have to check that yourself |
| 23:34.09 | ice799 | well i think the issue is also in my initscripts |
| 23:34.15 | ice799 | when it runs hwclock.sh |
| 23:34.21 | ice799 | it doesnt pass the --directisa falg |
| 23:34.27 | ice799 | flag, rather |
| 23:34.35 | ice799 | which seems to be required to actually get the hwtime from the command line |
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| 23:34.59 | amphi | ice799: from what I can see, your date would be correct if the bios clock was set to utc |
| 23:34.59 | ice799 | so maybe if i pass that flag by tweaking the hwclock.sh script |
| 23:35.04 | ice799 | ok well |
| 23:35.09 | ice799 | i'll give it a shot and see what happens. |
| 23:35.30 | ice799 | i'll be back in a bit and let you know how it went -- thanks for the tips. |
| 23:35.43 | amphi | ice799: you'll have to frob your legacy OS no doubt ;0 |
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| 23:35.51 | robin_sz | !tips |
| 23:35.52 | dpkg | from memory, tips is (Trillion Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of a REALLY FAST computer. 1 TIPS is 1,000,000,000 instructions per seccond |
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| 23:36.28 | robin_sz | dpkg, tips is also don't eat yellow snow |
| 23:36.29 | dpkg | robin_sz: okay |
| 23:36.56 | Yggdrasil | whats the best distro for an old 75 mhz 32mb ram laptop ? |
| 23:37.06 | pipeline | Yggdrasil: Not yggdrasil. |
| 23:37.11 | Yggdrasil | yar |
| 23:37.23 | robin_sz | one without X? |
| 23:37.45 | pink1 | dpkg, a trillion is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
| 23:37.46 | dpkg | pink1: okay |
| 23:37.58 | Yggdrasil | a friend of mine... i told him to try . dsl but its got no cd rom |
| 23:38.13 | lunaphyte | how can i find out which package installed /etc/modules? |
| 23:38.19 | stew | isn't that a quadrillion? |
| 23:38.26 | pink1 | !trillion |
| 23:38.26 | dpkg | [trillion] 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 |
| 23:38.32 | stew | no, that's a pentillion |
| 23:38.47 | robin_sz | gah, number pedants |
| 23:38.56 | Guerin | isn't trillion one of those debated numbers? |
| 23:39.02 | BrianSteffens | .... |
| 23:39.03 | pink1 | it's a million, million, million |
| 23:39.04 | Guerin | like, it's different in the US and the real world? |
| 23:39.08 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 23:39.12 | robin_sz | like billion |
| 23:39.19 | pink1 | Guerin: yes -- I use the UK nomenclature |
| 23:39.28 | Guerin | that's sane |
| 23:39.32 | haggz | For who knows what stupid reason, yeah, the powers of ten get different names depending on where you live. Very, very bad. |
| 23:39.38 | pink1 | dpkg, billion is 1,000,000,000,000 |
| 23:39.38 | dpkg | ...but billion is already something else... |
| 23:39.41 | stew | dpkg: 1000000 ** 3 |
| 23:39.42 | dpkg | 1000000000000000000 |
| 23:39.47 | robin_sz | haggz, actually, its powers of 1000 |
| 23:39.50 | BrianSteffens | so some people don't think it goes hundred thousand million billion trillion quadrillion etc? |
| 23:40.03 | raf256 | dpkg: 9**9**9 |
| 23:40.03 | dpkg | inf |
| 23:40.09 | robin_sz | BrianSteffens, no, because it doesnt |
| 23:40.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:40.15 | Guerin | more than a long |
| 23:40.17 | pipeline | BrianSteffens: Folks agree on the order, it's a matter of magnitude. |
| 23:40.26 | pink1 | !billion |
| 23:40.27 | dpkg | did you mean milliard, pink1? |
| 23:40.30 | pipeline | BrianSteffens: Those crazy limeys seem to think that a billion is a million million |
| 23:40.35 | BrianSteffens | pipeline: oh.. |
| 23:40.46 | pink1 | dpkg no |
| 23:40.46 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 23:40.54 | dondelelcaro | if you're going to add factoids for million, billion, etc. you need to actually ad them so that they take into account the ambiguity. |
| 23:40.59 | BrianSteffens | pipeline: tha twould get awkward, "one hundred and fifty thousand million" |
| 23:41.00 | Guerin | pipeline: where does squillion for in there |
| 23:41.01 | Guerin | ? |
| 23:41.01 | pink1 | wtf am I talking to a machine:( |
| 23:41.04 | dondelelcaro | doing otherwise is totally useless. |
| 23:41.08 | Guerin | s/for/fit/ |
| 23:41.11 | robin_sz | BrianSteffens, million = 10^6, billion = 10^9, trillion =10^12 |
| 23:41.39 | Guerin | robin_sz: squillion! |
| 23:41.40 | pipeline | BrianSteffens: Not that it matters. The british use is dying out even in britain. It's a sign that you're dealing with an old fogie. |
| 23:41.56 | pink1 | gazillion |
| 23:41.58 | BrianSteffens | pipeline lol |
| 23:42.24 | robin_sz | pipeline, nah, its not, we expect the US to get it right when they go metric |
| 23:42.32 | Guerin | and I want to know how a metric fuckload differs from an imperial fuckload |
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| 23:42.56 | pink1 | Guerin: the imperial one is always bigger ;-) |
| 23:43.05 | pink1 | same with tons |
| 23:43.12 | robin_sz | with what? |
| 23:43.22 | Guerin | pink1: heh. I think you'll find ton/tonne is the other way around |
| 23:43.30 | pink1 | and gallons |
| 23:43.33 | eldowan | am I to understand that imperial measuring systems are the big boys on the block? |
| 23:43.36 | pink1 | us are always smaller |
| 23:43.37 | robin_sz | ton is an imperial unit |
| 23:43.39 | keith80403 | How do I find out if my CD burner is an MMC drive that supports non raw session at once mode? |
| 23:43.41 | robin_sz | tonne is metric |
| 23:43.47 | pink1 | tonne is metric - |
| 23:43.57 | pink1 | :-p |
| 23:43.57 | stew | and so is fuckloadde |
| 23:44.05 | robin_sz | nah, thats imperial |
| 23:44.06 | Guerin | keith80403: try burning something with it in that mode |
| 23:44.08 | eldowan | :D |
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| 23:44.11 | Guerin | stew: hehe |
| 23:44.13 | lunaphyte | why are the kernel modules for the iptables mangle and raw tables not loaded at boot any longer? |
| 23:44.15 | haggz | An African or a European swallow? |
| 23:44.17 | robin_sz | ye anciente fuckeloadde |
| 23:44.25 | keith80403 | Guerin, Ok will do. |
| 23:44.27 | pink1 | US gallons are short-change too |
| 23:44.30 | robin_sz | haggz, europeans always swallow |
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| 23:44.36 | Guerin | lunaphyte: they should be loaded as needed. If not, it's a bug. |
| 23:44.46 | pink1 | haggz: one long swallow makes a summer |
| 23:44.51 | eldowan | haggz: but the question is how you get the coconuts attached. |
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| 23:45.01 | stew | lunaphyte: were they ever? they should be loaded if you, for instance, run "iptables -t mangle -L -n |
| 23:45.03 | robin_sz | eldowan, using a bot of creeper? |
| 23:45.08 | robin_sz | bit |
| 23:45.36 | eldowan | robin_sz: sorry, the swallow flew over my head. resend the message? |
| 23:45.40 | dondelelcaro | pink1: if you really care about units, read units.dat; otherwise it's rather OT here. |
| 23:46.09 | eldowan | and don't forget the tower measuring system |
| 23:46.15 | pink1 | dondelelcaro: spoilsport :-p |
| 23:47.07 | pink1 | what about the celtic numeric system - worked ona base of 12 -- not 10 |
| 23:47.09 | lunaphyte | Guerin, stew: i see. i tricked myself into thinking they were always loaded. the first time i looked at /proc/net/ip_tables_names was after having listed all 4 tables. thanks. |
| 23:47.30 | keith80403 | Guerin, Searched Google and both drives should do it - thanks again. |
| 23:47.41 | eldowan | pink1: or the early indian,IIRC that used a base 60 system. :D |
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| 23:48.27 | rahul | base 60 was egyptian, iirc |
| 23:48.32 | pink1 | eldowan: yea- and the inca system that no-one has figured out yet ;-) |
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| 23:48.42 | eldowan | pink1: do what? |
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| 23:49.27 | pink1 | eldowan: the Incas had a numeric system with knotted cords, but no-one knows how it worked |
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| 23:49.42 | eldowan | pink1: ooh, a new puzzle! sweet :D |
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| 23:51.50 | pink1 | eldowan: satisfaction |
| 23:52.04 | eldowan | pink1: good enough for me. |
| 23:52.44 | pink1 | !tell pink1 about numbers |
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| 23:52.57 | eldowan | !tell pink1 about selftell |
| 23:52.59 | eldowan | :D |
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| 23:53.28 | pink1 | ta :) |
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| 23:58.09 | *** join/#debian undesktop (n=undeskto@p57A56325.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:58.29 | undesktop | how do I prevent the Samba server to be started at system boot? |
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| 23:58.57 | amphi | undesktop: remove the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/ ? |
| 23:59.02 | eldowan | undesktop: invoke-rc.d? |
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| 23:59.29 | undesktop | amphi: good joke |
| 23:59.39 | undesktop | eldowan: where can I find this and what is it? |
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| 23:59.55 | amphi | undesktop: joke? |
| 23:59.58 | undesktop | amphi: the package manager will reestablish this link if I reinstall the package, won't it |
| 23:59.59 | ChrisGo | lol |
| 23:59.59 | eldowan | undesktop: I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with the command. I would actually do as amphi suggested. |
