| 00:00.35 | undesktop | oh, it's a command |
| 00:00.35 | ChrisGo | im burnt |
| 00:00.45 | eldowan | isn't there a curses based frontend to runlevel management? |
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| 00:00.47 | mfrisch | many |
| 00:01.03 | undesktop | won't init be replaced by upstart anyway? |
| 00:01.15 | undesktop | at least I really really hope so, and I also hope upstart is more sane |
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| 00:01.25 | amphi | what is upstart? |
| 00:01.25 | eldowan | undesktop: I've never had anything like that happen to me. YMMV of course. |
| 00:01.25 | grendal_prime | grrr this fallback for grub is not seeming to work |
| 00:01.35 | eldowan | grendal_prime: i'm sorry |
| 00:01.42 | undesktop | invoke-rc.d only seems to be able to start and stop services, not to configure them |
| 00:01.44 | stew | grendal_prime: using grub-reboot? |
| 00:01.45 | grendal_prime | and you should be |
| 00:01.56 | stew | undesktop: update-rc.d to configure them |
| 00:02.09 | eldowan | stew: aah, thanks. that is what I was trying to think of. |
| 00:02.18 | stew | undesktop: or rcconf if you need less control and just want some checkboxes |
| 00:02.46 | grendal_prime | trying to...well its a little on the strage side..i have a dual boot system, that defaults to the windows side (ya i know thats the problem there ha ha ) but i want it to reboot automagically to the linux partion when the windows side fks up.(which i know it will) |
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| 00:03.03 | undesktop | amphi: first google hit: http://www.netsplit.com/blog/articles/2006/08/26/upstart-in-universe |
| 00:03.31 | grendal_prime | i thought i had it worked out but...well it seems that it still just wants to boot to the windows side. |
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| 00:03.36 | eldowan | grendal_prime: XP? what about making a script that on boot, windows re-writes boot.ini and places linux first. then at successful shutdown, it creates the windows first boot.ini? |
| 00:04.48 | rpc | hm |
| 00:04.48 | mfrisch | undesktop: different init schemes have come and gone |
| 00:04.48 | jennam | Is there some way I can enable scp but disable ssh /shell logins? |
| 00:04.48 | rpc | how many etch cds do i really need for a basic install? |
| 00:04.49 | undesktop | mfrisch: only the bad things survive |
| 00:04.49 | jennam | I suspect if soemone has scp access they can edit their profile and change their shell to something other than noshell? |
| 00:04.49 | amphi | undesktop: you mentioned it - you could describe what you are talking about |
| 00:04.49 | amphi | undesktop: I didn't answer your question with STFW |
| 00:04.49 | stew | rpc: 1 |
| 00:04.49 | grendal_prime | couple of things...first off i thought grub handled this.. second of all, not exactly sure how to get to the menulist on the /boot partion with windows |
| 00:04.49 | stew | rpc: or define basic; or /msg dpkg which cd |
| 00:04.59 | rpc | stew thanks :) you are very kind as usual |
| 00:05.11 | undesktop | amphi: there's not much to say.... upstart is just an init replacement... so you obviously hadn't to deal with init anymore |
| 00:05.14 | mfrisch | undesktop: I hacked runit to function its fast |
| 00:05.26 | rpc | stew i'm preparing a virtual box with etch and i wonder which isos to grab |
| 00:05.41 | stew | rpc: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
| 00:05.43 | rpc | stew i just want a minimal working configuration that i will extend later |
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| 00:05.58 | rpc | thank you, checking |
| 00:06.07 | amphi | undesktop: init doesn't give me any grief |
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| 00:06.22 | undesktop | stew: heh, I like that rcconf thing, it's exceptionally simple... but are the changes persistent? |
| 00:06.32 | stew | undesktop: they are |
| 00:07.09 | mfrisch | undesktop: it just removed the sym link in rc.2 |
| 00:07.12 | undesktop | amphi: it does for me... well, there aren't much things in Linux that don't give me grief |
| 00:07.25 | undesktop | mfrisch: not very reliable, is it |
| 00:07.39 | amphi | undesktop: heh |
| 00:08.27 | mfrisch | undesktop: what runit its reliable its just hard rewriting the init scripts for each service |
| 00:08.53 | haggz | undesktop: removing a sym link in rc.2 is correct procedure to manage services, you can always relink to restore them. |
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| 00:09.28 | undesktop | mfrisch: sorry, I talked about that rc link removal |
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| 00:09.56 | mfrisch | undesktop: thats more than reliable |
| 00:10.21 | undesktop | and if I uninstall samba and install it again? without purging it? |
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| 00:10.48 | octoberdan | Gah, 2.6.8-3, and still no audio |
| 00:10.57 | octoberdan | well, not for flash movies... |
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| 00:11.14 | stew | octoberdan: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 00:11.51 | stew | undesktop: if you remove the symlink, remove the package, reinstall the package, the symlink will not return. this doesn't matter how you removed the symlink including rm,update-rc.d,rcconf or whatever |
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| 00:12.30 | undesktop | hm *shrug* |
| 00:12.47 | stew | (/msg dpkg confmiss) |
| 00:13.36 | octoberdan | hmmm swiftfox vs iceweasel? |
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| 00:13.49 | ReinH | Hmmm, any chance anyone here has had problems getting an nvidia graphics card to be recognized? |
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| 00:14.17 | ReinH | I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers, conf screen says it can't find an nvidia card installed |
| 00:14.29 | undesktop | quite ironic that the Firefox Browser renaming continues with Debian *g* |
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| 00:14.41 | octoberdan | The only difference I've noticed is that swiftfox takes longer to load, oh, and as I was typing this, stoped working. |
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| 00:15.22 | octoberdan | undesktop: Although I must say, "swiftfox" is alot more intuitive in nameing then.. iceweasel? What the hell were they thinking? |
| 00:15.27 | ReinH | undesktop: heh, yeah |
| 00:15.34 | h3sp4wn | octoberdan: run about:buildconfig on both and you can see the features each is compiled with |
| 00:15.40 | octoberdan | undesktop: I confess however that I do think it's a badass name |
| 00:15.43 | ReinH | I got rid of iceweasel and installed FF 2.0 directly, glad I did |
| 00:15.49 | ReinH | iceweasel is an awesome name though |
| 00:15.56 | undesktop | especially since ice* is used a lot |
| 00:16.06 | ReinH | come on... weasel vs fox? |
| 00:16.08 | ReinH | awesome |
| 00:16.08 | ReinH | :p |
| 00:16.21 | ReinH | iceweasel > firefox any day |
| 00:16.25 | undesktop | Konqueror |
| 00:16.28 | amphi | ReinH: why 'glad I did'? |
| 00:16.44 | undesktop | Konqueror > any mozilla waste |
| 00:16.45 | octoberdan | ReinH: but iceweasel vs. swiftfox? |
| 00:16.50 | ReinH | octoberdan: meh |
| 00:16.56 | ReinH | amphi: it's so sexy :) |
| 00:17.21 | amphi | ReinH: how is it 'sexier' than iceweasel? |
| 00:17.29 | ReinH | Hmmm, having a few issues today. NVidia card not being recognized, can't get beryl to work (probably related, of course), can't get ruby postgres bindings to work. |
| 00:17.42 | ReinH | amphi: well, fire is sexier than ice... um... :p |
| 00:18.09 | h3sp4wn | but iceweasel comes from the definition of love |
| 00:18.23 | h3sp4wn | (or some love fortune anyway) |
| 00:18.24 | octoberdan | hehe |
| 00:18.32 | mfrisch | ReinH: you've never played with ice |
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| 00:18.43 | ReinH | mfrisch: touche |
| 00:18.49 | ReinH | mfrisch: but possibly tmi as well :p |
| 00:18.53 | rahul | haha |
| 00:19.02 | rahul | why too much? |
| 00:19.05 | rahul | that's not enough |
| 00:19.14 | rahul | how will you make use of that knowledge if you don't have it? |
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| 00:19.23 | ReinH | Oh I have it :p |
| 00:19.36 | rahul | you sure? |
| 00:20.05 | ReinH | moving on... anyone want to take a crack at getting my nvidia card recognized? #nvidia is dead today |
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| 00:21.06 | stew | ReinH: be more specific, "i tried X but i got Y when i was expecting Z" |
| 00:21.20 | rahul | I was expecting Q. |
| 00:21.28 | ReinH | stew: hahaha, I would if I knew where to start. |
| 00:21.33 | rahul | why would anyone expect Z? |
| 00:21.42 | ReinH | My getting-debian-to-recognize-my-nvidia-graphics-card-fu is nil |
| 00:21.56 | stew | ReinH: type "lspci | grep -i nvidia" and your card will be recognized |
| 00:21.58 | rahul | just use the nv driver. done. |
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| 00:22.18 | octoberdan | My eyes darted to the "I tried X but I got Y" and I initial thought someone was taking a crack at X |
| 00:22.30 | octoberdan | hehe |
| 00:22.33 | stew | i am taking x amount of crack |
| 00:22.42 | nweaver916 | Hey guys, having a routing problem here on my deb box (providing routing between live IP's, no NAT) |
| 00:22.47 | frostschutz | ReinH: which card do you have, which driver are you using? |
| 00:22.49 | gravity | That's a lot of crack |
| 00:22.50 | octoberdan | #debian++ |
| 00:22.50 | ReinH | stew: oh heh is that it? |
| 00:22.50 | jennam | how might i lock an ssh user to their home directory? (deny access to outside dirs)? |
| 00:22.58 | stew | the limit limit as x approaches zero |
| 00:23.02 | nweaver916 | eth0 is live1 |
| 00:23.03 | Guerin | jennam: you don't. |
| 00:23.06 | nweaver916 | eth1 is live2 |
| 00:23.08 | Guerin | !chroot ssh |
| 00:23.09 | dpkg | [ssh chroot] Stop. Read http://www.ecediltd.com/la/secureshell@securityfocus.com/0771.html and think it through a little more. This is hard, massively wasteful of disk space, and almost certainly a waste of time. |
| 00:23.16 | Guerin | jennam: ↑ |
| 00:23.28 | Guerin | jennam: if you want to do that, you want to use something other than ssh. |
| 00:23.30 | rahul | jennam: buy them a separate computer. might be cheaper. |
| 00:23.40 | nweaver916 | when (from the local console) I ping the IP for eth1, it gives me From 64.191.27.41: icmp_seq=3 Redirect Network(New nexthop: 64.191.27.42) |
| 00:23.40 | ReinH | frostschutz: I need to pop open my case to figure out which card, was trying to use the nvidia driver downloaded from nvidia |
| 00:23.41 | h3sp4wn | jennam: if its only for scp / sftp then you can use the scponly shell |
| 00:23.52 | jennam | Well, the username cant view /home/ (permission denied) all i want is that done for / too |
| 00:24.09 | jennam | h3sp4wn: scponly shell it is then :) |
| 00:24.12 | jennam | thanks |
| 00:24.22 | Guerin | jennam: how are they supposed to run things like /bin/ls then? |
| 00:24.49 | jennam | dropbox |
| 00:24.52 | jennam | not browsing |
| 00:24.55 | stew | Guerin: they could, for instance type "/bin/ls" |
| 00:25.15 | Guerin | stew: not if they didn't have any read permissions to / or /bin |
| 00:25.21 | stew | oh, i'm misreading |
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| 00:25.32 | frostschutz | ReinH: lspci should tell you the model. the nvidia driver supports only recent cards, older models require the legacy driver. |
| 00:25.33 | stew | but this beer i'm drinking is delicious |
| 00:25.33 | ReinH | pfft, who needs /bin/ls ? |
| 00:25.41 | jennam | Its a dropbox not a file server |
| 00:25.47 | jennam | so all they have to do is store files |
| 00:25.48 | ReinH | frostschutz: that's just it, lspci doesn't tell me I have an nvidia card at all |
| 00:25.48 | Guerin | jennam: yeh, scponly is the win |
| 00:25.52 | jennam | kk |
| 00:25.57 | jennam | thx |
| 00:25.57 | zinx | ReinH: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 00:25.58 | stew | the last set of houseguests left me some tasty beers |
| 00:25.58 | ReinH | That's why I said "not recognized by debian" |
| 00:26.01 | Guerin | jennam: the only thing you need to worry about then is disk quotas :) |
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| 00:26.11 | ReinH | ah crap, lol |
| 00:26.29 | zinx | ReinH: what is the output of that command? |
| 00:26.37 | ReinH | zinx: I take the 5th |
| 00:26.41 | ReinH | consider my nvidia problem solved |
| 00:26.43 | ReinH | lmao |
| 00:26.45 | stew | maybe he has an nvidia isa card |
| 00:26.47 | zinx | :/ |
| 00:26.54 | octoberdan | "Firefox is already running, but not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Firefox process, or restart your system" Wha!? and pidof firefox returns nothing... |
| 00:26.59 | ReinH | I have... an ATI card. Heh. |
| 00:27.03 | zinx | Oops. |
| 00:27.06 | stew | ReinH: which? |
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| 00:27.15 | ReinH | Radeon X1300 |
| 00:27.19 | stew | fun |
| 00:27.24 | ReinH | so, er, I doubt the nvidia drivers would work for it. |
| 00:27.44 | dondelelcaro | octoberdan: it's called iceweasel now, probably. look at the ps axfu|less; output, and see if you can find it. |
| 00:27.51 | Guerin | !lose ReinH |
| 00:27.51 | zinx | ReinH: nope, you're probably going to have to get fglrx installed for that one |
| 00:27.51 | dpkg | ReinH: You Lose. |
| 00:27.53 | octoberdan | ReinH: I have the 9800, updated, installed gnome, and everything's fine |
| 00:28.04 | DavidProck1981 | where are the settings that tell if you use 3'rd mouse button emulation at, what file |
| 00:28.05 | ReinH | Guerin: pretty much |
| 00:28.05 | dondelelcaro | octoberdan: alternatively, it may have shut down between now and then; you may just be able to try again. |
| 00:28.08 | octoberdan | ReinH: I'm unstable/testing though |
| 00:28.18 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 00:28.23 | ReinH | octoberdan: I... don't have an nvidia card. |
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| 00:28.25 | ReinH | I lied |
| 00:28.28 | JoCat | Ahoy. |
| 00:28.30 | ReinH | My other box does |
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| 00:28.55 | dvs | !pal ReinH |
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| 00:29.15 | octoberdan | dondelelcaro: Is there a way to get a list of all pids that I can grep through? |
| 00:29.28 | Guerin | octoberdan: ps ax |
| 00:29.37 | ReinH | dvs: thanks for that |
| 00:29.38 | JoCat | I did an apt-get update recently. Now text is disappearing randomly. I'm using 2.6.15, testing. Could someone tell me where to start looking for problems? |
| 00:29.41 | ReinH | :p |
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| 00:29.47 | dvs | ;-) |
| 00:29.50 | JoCat | I think I broke a font dependency. |
| 00:30.14 | DavidProck1981 | I donw want to have to run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, I want to leave every thing like it is , except I don't want 3'rd mouse button emulation |
| 00:30.14 | JoCat | It's worst in Firefox, where all the text is rendered as underscores 'till you highlight it. |
| 00:30.17 | feld | hey guys im on amd64 and was playing around and --force-architecture'd an i386 deb. I want to remove it now, what's the proper way to do so? |
| 00:30.34 | DavidProck1981 | when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg my graphice for games get crazy |
| 00:30.59 | stew | DavidProck1981: just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and search for Emulate3Buttons |
| 00:31.00 | octoberdan | Aha! "/bin/sh /usr/bin/swiftfox" |
| 00:31.10 | octoberdan | shows up as sh and not swiftfox |
| 00:31.33 | eldowan | 7460158 |
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| 00:32.22 | octoberdan | Guerin: and thanks! |
| 00:33.08 | rpc | is it ok to add more than one tap device onto existing br0? |
| 00:33.17 | octoberdan | Alright. iceweasel over swiftfox, definitely. |
| 00:33.25 | icicled | what's a good launcher w/auto-complete that's not half-assed (katapult) ? |
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| 00:34.21 | undesktop | what's a launcher? |
| 00:34.30 | octoberdan | Not sure what you mean by launcher, but it sounds pretty half-assed |
| 00:34.35 | icicled | haha |
| 00:34.49 | icicled | advanced functionality of alt-f2 |
| 00:34.49 | stew | icicled: /bin/bash ? |
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| 00:34.55 | icicled | heh, no stew =] |
| 00:35.00 | ReinH | octoberdan: if you just want to find the pid, use pgrep -f string |
| 00:35.06 | stew | icicled: /bin/zsh ? |
| 00:35.08 | undesktop | icicled: and what does alt+f2 do for you? |
| 00:35.11 | ReinH | ... 5 minutes late |
| 00:35.22 | icicled | brings up a dialog box 'run command' |
| 00:35.33 | icicled | standard on kde and gnome |
| 00:35.49 | undesktop | I use xterm+bash |
| 00:35.51 | octoberdan | ReinH: Thanks, but I prefer verbose output |
| 00:35.52 | undesktop | both suck |
| 00:35.52 | stew | env PS2="run command" /bin/bash |
| 00:35.54 | undesktop | quite hardly! |
| 00:36.02 | stew | err PS1 |
| 00:36.16 | icicled | let me rephrase, i'm looking for a graphical launcher |
| 00:36.20 | dvs | stew: they don't make those anymore. ;-) |
| 00:36.25 | undesktop | xterm is grapihcal |
| 00:36.35 | icicled | comeon |
| 00:36.35 | undesktop | it's also quite ugly, though |
| 00:36.38 | icicled | something like http://www.launchy.net/#screenshots |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | icicled: GNOME has the deskbar thingie |
| 00:36.46 | JoCat | I've searched google, but I haven't been able to find any decent material. Plus it's hard to use since all the text on the sites keeps disappearing. |
| 00:36.49 | rpc | stew would you know if one can stack more than one tap device onto br0? |
| 00:37.05 | rpc | would both tap interfaces get their packets? |
| 00:37.12 | stew | rpc: dunno |
| 00:37.21 | rpc | ok, reading some more then :) |
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| 00:37.51 | octoberdan | Off to watch the simpsons! |
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| 00:38.04 | GeorgeS069 | I'm trying to setup wpa on a broadcom4306(got bcm43xx module loaded and did the fwcutter ordeal)....which driver should I use when starting wpa_supplicant? like -Dwext or whatever? |
| 00:38.15 | icicled | hooray, gmrun is the solution |
| 00:38.21 | icicled | nice & lightweight |
| 00:38.28 | icicled | and the auto-complete actually works =] |
| 00:38.39 | amphi | icicled: grun? |
| 00:38.44 | icicled | gmrun |
| 00:39.26 | icicled | `apt-cache search gmrun` |
| 00:39.39 | amphi | yeah, I just found it - I used grun for a while, never tried gmrun |
| 00:40.37 | undesktop | I wonder you need "launchers" at all |
| 00:40.51 | amphi | from a quick glance, I think I prefer grun |
| 00:40.51 | icicled | to launch a program quickly |
| 00:40.53 | concept10 | icicled, its that a replacement? |
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| 00:41.00 | ReinH | yo |
| 00:41.08 | amphi | undesktop: how else do you suggest running a program? |
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| 00:41.08 | undesktop | xterm is quite quick |
| 00:41.10 | icicled | replacement for katapult for me yea |
| 00:41.14 | undesktop | so is bash |
| 00:41.19 | ReinH | So... apparently I have the ATI card that pretends linux doesn't exist |
| 00:41.20 | concept10 | undesktop, launchers or for people that hate using the mouse |
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| 00:41.41 | Azar | ReinH: hehe is the opposite |
| 00:41.42 | JoCat | Got a screen shot now of the text disappearing in action. I don't know if it will help at all. |
| 00:41.49 | ReinH | Azar: orly? |
| 00:41.59 | ReinH | oh, linux pretends *it* doesn't exist |
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| 00:42.04 | ReinH | I had a brief moment of hope. |
| 00:42.13 | Azar | ReinH: tell ATI to release code for its drivers to linux |
| 00:42.15 | amphi | undesktop: quicker for me to do alt-ctrl-r gimp than gimp & and disown |
| 00:42.16 | undesktop | oh nice, gmrun is really quite light weight |
| 00:42.18 | ReinH | Azar: I will |
| 00:42.30 | ReinH | Hey, I didn't buy the card, I inherited this box |
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| 00:42.35 | ReinH | I always get nvidia :/ |
| 00:42.40 | Azar | ReinH: meanwhile, google ATI for Debian |
| 00:42.45 | Azar | me too |
| 00:42.50 | csasche | lol this is not #ubuntu, i like that |
| 00:42.51 | Azar | ATI sucks on linux |
| 00:42.56 | csasche | no |
| 00:42.59 | csasche | ati drivers suck |
| 00:43.00 | ReinH | In fact, I was told it *was* an nvidia card. |
| 00:43.01 | stew | almost as much as nvidia sucks on linux |
| 00:43.03 | ReinH | oh well |
| 00:43.04 | amphi | Azar: my card works well |
| 00:43.04 | csasche | it's not the cards fault |
| 00:43.12 | icicled | the problem w/katapult is that it doesn't index executable scripts, frizm frazm :P |
| 00:43.13 | amphi | Azar: with the free driver |
| 00:43.14 | ReinH | stew: orly? I haven't had much trouble with nvidia |
| 00:43.19 | ReinH | I've had nothing but hell from ATI |
| 00:43.20 | concept10 | I hope this one works |
| 00:43.21 | Azar | ReinH: get your money back if they lied to you |
| 00:43.34 | ReinH | Azar: eh, no worries. It was free. |
| 00:43.34 | concept10 | the default one with gnome sucks, autocomplete is stupid |
| 00:43.38 | zinx | ReinH: get the installer from ATI, but don't run it to install.. it has an option to generate debian packages |
| 00:43.42 | Azar | amphi: hi, oh yes? can you help ReinH ? |
| 00:43.43 | stew | ReinH: the free drivers from ati support a wider array of cards and support them better |
| 00:43.44 | ReinH | Azar: I demand my free back. |
| 00:43.44 | csasche | ATI doe's not currently write a good driver for linux, that's why you should stick with nvidia cards. Invidia has better drivers |
| 00:43.49 | csasche | does |
| 00:43.58 | Azar | ReinH: ask amphi |
| 00:44.00 | zinx | ReinH: it will generate module source, which you should install, then run m-a a-i fglrx (make sure you have module-assistant) |
| 00:44.03 | amphi | ReinH: what is the card? |
| 00:44.06 | ReinH | csasche: yes, thanks, I am well aware |
| 00:44.08 | zinx | ReinH: and then you should install the driver .deb |
| 00:44.09 | ReinH | amphi: X1300 :( |
| 00:44.11 | stew | csasche: xorg writes a better driver for ati than thy do for linux |
| 00:44.23 | ReinH | The one without a linux driver |
| 00:44.23 | JoCat | Hehe. nVidia Linux drivers. |
| 00:44.34 | zinx | ReinH: fglrx supports that card afaik |
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| 00:44.57 | ReinH | zinx: I have the fglrx package installed. I think my issue is with 3d support |
| 00:44.58 | concept10 | gmrun is nice, how do I replace the original one |
| 00:45.02 | amphi | ReinH: sorry, no idea about that one |
| 00:45.05 | ReinH | My display works fine with KDE |
| 00:45.06 | JoCat | I'm still having issues with nVidia drivers. |
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| 00:45.10 | JoCat | I sorta got it working. |
| 00:45.12 | zinx | ReinH: then browse /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what's wrong. |
| 00:45.13 | ReinH | But I want me some beryl sexiness |
| 00:45.17 | abrotman | !wine stew |
| 00:45.22 | JoCat | Once it works it works for a while. |
| 00:45.30 | stew | abrotman: bah, i have rochefort! |
| 00:45.37 | zinx | ReinH: beryl isn't in debian, and you need Xgl to run it with ATI's drivers, which also isn't in debian |
| 00:45.38 | JoCat | Ah, here's the problem I'm having: http://imagesocket.com/view/textProblemd96.png |
| 00:45.41 | abrotman | cheese or wine ? |
| 00:45.49 | stew | abrotman: beer |
| 00:45.56 | Azar | camambert goes well with wine |
| 00:46.03 | ReinH | zinx: well, the r2 and r3 series work with AIGLX |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | stew: decisions .. decisions |
| 00:46.10 | concept10 | icicled, did you replace the original gnome launcher? |
| 00:46.14 | karmatronic | Azar, there are better french cheeses |
| 00:46.16 | ReinH | zinx: and there are unsupported .debs for beryl |
| 00:46.27 | ReinH | Of course, that's not one of the cards that I have |
| 00:46.32 | stew | abrotman: its easy, this is one of the best beers i've had in a long time |
| 00:46.36 | Azar | karmatronic: you mean there are more rotten cheeses than camambert? |
| 00:46.36 | icicled | concept10, i use kde, and i set alt-space to launch gmrun, then i type what i need to execute |
| 00:46.39 | ReinH | And I don't really feel like installing XGL... I'd rather to buy an nvidia card lol |
| 00:46.42 | ReinH | oh well |
| 00:46.42 | stew | unfortunately i only have 2 of them |
| 00:46.44 | icicled | concept10, you could do the same in gnome |
| 00:46.53 | abrotman | stew: some day we should go to Monk's :) |
| 00:46.54 | concept10 | ice799, good idea |
| 00:47.01 | stew | abrotman: sure |
| 00:47.06 | concept10 | oops |
| 00:47.13 | abrotman | stew: but you'd have to tell me when you come to philly :) |
| 00:47.17 | ReinH | byebye, beryl... I hardly knew ye :( |
| 00:47.20 | stew | ReinH: or buy an older cheaper ati card and use the free drivers |
| 00:47.25 | ReinH | parting is such sweet sorrow |
| 00:47.33 | ReinH | stew: I like nvidia :) |
| 00:47.42 | ReinH | I've had success with their cards on linux in the past |
| 00:47.55 | icicled | what's with xchat launching links in konqueror instead of iceweasel/firefox ? |
| 00:48.10 | abrotman | stew: i think i'd take the beer over the wine :) |
| 00:48.14 | Azar | ReinH: if you buy nVidia do not jump to the latest one... get at most the one year old edition |
| 00:48.16 | stew | icicled: "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" ? |
| 00:48.23 | ReinH | Well, I can write off "ATI 3D support and beryl" as a no-fix |
| 00:48.27 | ReinH | moving on... |
| 00:48.30 | concept10 | ReinH, What card do you have now? Beryl works fine on my old laptop integrated ATI graphics |
| 00:48.33 | ReinH | Azar: kk :) any recomendations |
| 00:48.34 | icicled | thanks stew |
| 00:48.37 | Azar | ReinH: I am using the MX's very well |
| 00:48.53 | ReinH | concept10: the one that doesn't work with AIGLX |
| 00:48.56 | icicled | nvidia > ati |
| 00:49.01 | ReinH | icicled: indeedy |
| 00:49.03 | JoCat | Agreed. |
| 00:49.13 | csasche | disagreed |
| 00:49.16 | ReinH | stupid ATI. |
| 00:49.27 | stew | matrox! |
| 00:49.28 | abrotman | stupid companies that have binary only drivers |
| 00:49.36 | Azar | GeForce2 MX 4000 something like that |
| 00:49.46 | concept10 | ReinH, which one? I know if my lowly laptop works, almost any card should |
| 00:49.52 | ReinH | well, from a purely performance point of view, nvidia destroys ATI. crossfire is shitty. |
| 00:49.53 | stew | intel needs to start making standalone cards |
| 00:49.58 | ReinH | concept10: that's the thing. Mine is too nice to work. |
| 00:50.08 | ReinH | There are free ATI drivers for the older cards |
| 00:50.13 | icicled | stew, from a few sources intel will be stepping into the gfx card realm sometime soon |
| 00:50.28 | stew | icicled: years ago |
| 00:50.29 | ReinH | the r5xxx series (like my 1300) is SOL |
| 00:50.36 | stew | icicled: they just don't produce add on cards |
| 00:50.39 | concept10 | ReinH, dont worry, youre not missing anything |
| 00:50.40 | Azar | ReinH: if you look careful on your ATI card it says "made to work with windows XP only" |
| 00:50.46 | icicled | stew, i mean gfx cards with proper 3d support |
| 00:50.54 | ReinH | concept10: I am! I'm missing beryl and its window managementy goodness :) |
| 00:50.59 | icicled | not the cheap gma stuff they make now |
| 00:51.02 | stew | icicled: yeah, that's what i mean too |
| 00:51.06 | ReinH | Azar: That's fine :) I didn't buy it. |
| 00:51.10 | ReinH | I would have gotten nvidia |
| 00:51.14 | ReinH | moving on... |
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| 00:51.31 | concept10 | beryl/compiz is good advertisement for the Linux desktop, but I dont leave it on for more than 10 mins. |
| 00:51.34 | stew | i still get 60fps in emacs using my old matrox cards anyway |
| 00:51.38 | ReinH | concept10: :) |
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| 00:51.43 | icicled | matrox rocks |
| 00:51.46 | chemist | I have a Sony Vaio with ATI x600 with broken (phisically) vram, can I force the driver (radeon) to use shared memory? |
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| 00:51.55 | elias_ | how do I set the HZ value in my kernel? (via proc and append) |
| 00:51.58 | ReinH | concept10: your desktop of choice? |
| 00:52.17 | concept10 | ReinH, gnome (loosing options by the hour) |
| 00:52.22 | concept10 | heh |
| 00:52.23 | icicled | beryl/compiz = good advertisement but bad investment of time for newbies |
| 00:52.37 | ReinH | concept10: heh, I'm enjoying KDE so far. Have used gnome as well, like it |
| 00:52.38 | icicled | by the time they get it running, they'll hate linux |
| 00:52.53 | stew | elias_: i don't think you can without recompiling our kernel |
| 00:52.53 | ReinH | icicled: lol, true enough. I'm not exactly a noob though. |
| 00:52.58 | ReinH | I'm only somewhat a noob |
| 00:53.02 | icicled | =] |
| 00:53.05 | Azar | I only wanted Debian so heck with desktops, beryl compiz et all... |
| 00:53.09 | concept10 | I like GNOME very much but they need to get it in gear |
| 00:53.10 | icicled | i'm a noob w/debian |
| 00:53.25 | ReinH | Azar: I do most of my work in a terminal anyway, tbj |
| 00:53.27 | ReinH | tbh even |
| 00:53.32 | ReinH | terminal and vim |
| 00:53.37 | ReinH | well, gvim |
| 00:53.42 | ReinH | kvim died :( |
| 00:53.46 | kingsley | How can one tell which line in ~/.ssh/known_hosts corresponds to a given host? |
| 00:54.01 | icicled | the only prob with gvim is that the auto-complete flickers like no other =\ |
| 00:54.09 | concept10 | here is the next gnome http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Next-gnome.png |
| 00:54.21 | ReinH | Azar: yeah, true enough |
| 00:54.21 | stew | kingsley: to remove one? |
| 00:54.26 | icicled | haha |
| 00:54.31 | ReinH | Azar: I would be happy with xterm and vim tbh |
| 00:54.32 | kingsley | stew: Yes. |
| 00:54.33 | stew | kingsley: "ssh-keygen -R hostname" will remove it |
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| 00:55.11 | icicled | gnome is nice, but the devs. need to think of adding simple useful things that people need like a program to configure shortcuts |
| 00:55.18 | ReinH | icicled: yeah, it is a bit annoying |
| 00:55.34 | icicled | and edit menus |
| 00:55.43 | concept10 | icicled, both are there |
| 00:55.44 | icicled | and all the simple things us kde folk take for granted =] |
| 00:55.49 | Azar | ReinH: I use plain X with openbox, got firefox, openoffice, linux games, irssi, using vim as editor. that about all I got |
| 00:55.58 | icicled | concept10, there's a limit of 10 custom shortcuts :o |
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| 00:56.03 | ReinH | Azar: man after my own heard :) |
| 00:56.12 | icicled | and you configure that using some other program |
| 00:56.15 | ReinH | heart even |
| 00:56.15 | squisher | icicled: many WM's do that already (i.e. sawfish) |
| 00:56.17 | icicled | not bundled with gnome |
| 00:56.19 | ReinH | wow, can't type today |
| 00:56.21 | ReinH | /ever |
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| 00:56.25 | Azar | ah and xmms for my .xm and s3m music files |
| 00:56.34 | ReinH | Azar: those are about all I need :) |
| 00:56.34 | kingsley | stew: Sweet, it worked. Thanks. |
| 00:56.41 | chemist | I have a Sony Vaio with ATI x600 with broken (phisically) vram, can I force the driver (radeon) to use shared memory? |
| 00:56.51 | icicled | gnome looks nice by default =] |
| 00:56.56 | ReinH | I do like Amarok though, <3 |
| 00:57.03 | Azar | what is Amarok? |
| 00:57.05 | ReinH | icicled: KDE looks nicer :) |
| 00:57.16 | stew | Azar: an apt-cache search query term :P |
| 00:57.17 | ReinH | Azar: OSS music library/player, works with last.fm |
| 00:57.19 | icicled | ReinH, with a little work it looks great =] |
| 00:57.24 | ReinH | stew: lol touche |
| 00:57.48 | Azar | well the way I heard only xmms works with xm files |
| 00:57.52 | stew | who are you calling a touche? |
| 00:57.53 | icicled | ? |
| 00:58.08 | icicled | Azar, whoever you heard that from, please, tell them to go jump in a well |
| 00:58.09 | Azar | haha stew |
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| 01:01.34 | octoberdan | Flash player audio, take 3... |
| 01:01.42 | GeorgeS069 | I'm trying to setup wpa on a broadcom4306(got bcm43xx module loaded and did the fwcutter ordeal)....which driver should I use when starting wpa_supplicant? like -Dwext or whatever? |
| 01:01.53 | h3sp4wn | GeorgeS069: wext |
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| 01:02.09 | octoberdan | damn... |
| 01:02.22 | GeorgeS069 | h3sp4wn: wext doesn't work |
| 01:02.28 | octoberdan | stew: Should I have to restart? |
| 01:02.54 | stew | octoberdan: no |
| 01:02.57 | stew | octoberdan: wait |
| 01:03.04 | stew | octoberdan: you hsould have to restart your browser |
| 01:03.18 | stew | octoberdan: and you should make sure snd-pcm-oss is loaded before you restart it |
| 01:03.41 | h3sp4wn | GeorgeS069: That is what is supposed to be used for it (the wl.o broadcom driver is for the embedded broadcom stuff) |
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| 01:05.05 | octoberdan | stew: lsmod returns snd_pcm_oss and others now |
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| 01:05.24 | octoberdan | stew: Is that the way I should check? |
| 01:05.58 | Azar | the big pimple with FSF, GPLv3 and other parties will erupt soon |
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| 01:06.49 | stew | octoberdan: yes. not try restarting your browser (killing all instances) |
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| 01:07.06 | GeorgeS069 | h3sp4wn: It's not working.I get a bunch of errors and it stops |
| 01:08.03 | h3sp4wn | GeorgeS069: That is bcm43xx being crap or something else not the wrong choice of driver |
| 01:08.05 | GeorgeS069 | h3sp4wn: the errors are all "no such device" |
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| 01:08.32 | kingsley | Is there a way to list all hostnames hashed in .ssh/known_hosts? |
| 01:09.36 | GeorgeS069 | h3sp4wn: I don't see any errors in dmesg or syslog but,when I load the bcm43xx module syslog shows the radio is off |
| 01:11.16 | octoberdan | stew: Still not working |
| 01:11.26 | abrotman | kingsley: grep? awk ? |
| 01:12.00 | sanmarcos-t2 | abrotman, abrotman, lalala "la la LA!" |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:12.09 | kingsley | abrotman: They'd work if the hostnames weren't hashed. |
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| 01:12.25 | abrotman | kingsley: they're not in mine |
| 01:12.46 | sanmarcos-t2 | abrotman, man, I am so tired. Days are just too long, even though I havent done much at work today |
| 01:13.01 | Azar | damn I was feeling sorry for aussies, now is our turn: DST will start 3 weeks earlier and will end 3 weeks later... now how the fuck Im gonna setup all my stuff |
| 01:13.03 | abrotman | go home! |
| 01:13.24 | sanmarcos-t2 | in 48 minutes my friend, in 48 mins |
| 01:13.25 | Azar | don't know if is only California |
| 01:13.59 | octoberdan | stew: Any more ideas? |
| 01:14.10 | stew | octoberdan: nope |
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| 01:15.45 | Azar | hey yes, how we do with DST on Debian? we manually change the time? |
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| 01:15.51 | Genc_cift | hi |
| 01:15.52 | Genc_cift | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ::::::::: exotics.ezbbforum.com |
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| 01:16.10 | stew | RichiH: ^ |
| 01:16.12 | octoberdan | stew: Well thank you for your yelp untill now |
| 01:16.12 | rahul | Azar: no, the time zone definition includes DST transitinos |
| 01:16.19 | octoberdan | stew: and even now for considering. |
| 01:16.40 | Azar | rahul: thanks, good to know my PC is the only one I do not have to worry about |
| 01:16.48 | rahul | why your PC? |
| 01:16.52 | octoberdan | stew: I'll figure it out eventually |
| 01:16.54 | sanmarcos-t2 | stew, let the eagle soooooaaarrr |
| 01:16.56 | gulars | what is the easyest way of upgrading libc6 to 2.4 in debian? |
| 01:16.59 | Azar | err well the system |
| 01:17.04 | rahul | the? |
| 01:17.19 | rahul | gulars: upgrade the distro to a release based on glibc 2.4 |
| 01:17.31 | rahul | gulars: you DON'T want to mix and match glibc |
| 01:17.54 | abrotman | who's kline script was that ? |
| 01:17.57 | Azar | the time zone definition includes DST transitions.. so whenever the time changes... the Debian time will change too no matter the day/month/year |
| 01:18.15 | rahul | Azar: yes |
| 01:18.33 | Azar | rahul: ok thanks this was solved |
| 01:19.05 | gulars | rahul: k... so what are there to choose between? |
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| 01:19.20 | rahul | gulars: don't choose |
| 01:19.25 | rpc | how can i close a single established tcp/ip session that i see via netstat? |
| 01:19.28 | rahul | gulars: just use the release that makes sense for you |
| 01:19.33 | gulars | or are you thinking of a full reinstall ? |
| 01:19.38 | rpc | without killing the daemon itself |
| 01:19.46 | rahul | gulars: why would you reinstall? you upgraded too far? |
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| 01:21.07 | gulars | no, I certainly hope I haven't, but "just use the release that makes sense for you" doesn't tell me all that much as to what options there is to chosse from, or how to do it? |
| 01:21.19 | pipeline | robin_sz: Right, then. So when you're all dead, we'll still be using a not-quite-Imperial system and a billion will still be 10^9 :P |
| 01:22.47 | rahul | !tell gulars about stable |
| 01:22.49 | rahul | !tell gulars about testing |
| 01:22.52 | rahul | !tell gulars about unstable |
| 01:23.08 | rahul | if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 01:25.16 | Xenguy | ~/b |
| 01:25.21 | eldowan | pipeline: unless the imperialists take over the world and mandate the imperial measurment system... |
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| 01:26.00 | olsen | hi |
| 01:26.14 | olsen | do you know of a cli tool for test the internet connection speed? |
| 01:26.24 | eldowan | olsen: wget |
| 01:26.38 | eldowan | that will show you your http download speed... |
| 01:26.42 | olsen | yeah |
| 01:26.46 | olsen | forgot that |
| 01:26.49 | rpc | is it possible to kill a single established connection? |
| 01:27.00 | rpc | please help, i'm really stuck with this |
| 01:27.10 | Xenguy | olsen: yeah, download a kernel at kernel.org :-) |
| 01:27.15 | squisher | rpc: connected to your host, or NATed over a router? |
| 01:27.27 | rpc | squisher connected to a host that is running some service in ther |
| 01:27.27 | olsen | Xenguy: just what i though for download :) |
| 01:27.28 | eldowan | rpc: do you mean a tcp/ip connection you need to kill through iptables? |
| 01:27.31 | rpc | there* |
| 01:27.51 | rpc | is there another way than blocking that ip in iptables? |
| 01:28.02 | Xenguy | olsen: it's open source - here, have a massive old chunck of kernel code :-D |
| 01:28.02 | squisher | rpc: hmm, for NAT connections I think there is a prog out there somewhere, not sure about local connections though. You do need to look for a special program in any case |
| 01:28.12 | rpc | squisher it's not local |
| 01:28.38 | squisher | rpc: damn, I can't recall what it is called anyways, you should give google a shot |
| 01:28.39 | eldowan | rpc: you are trying to stop a connection between A and B from C? |
| 01:28.41 | rpc | squisher imagine that you would like to kill an established connection to port xxxx, just one of several ips connected to it |
| 01:28.56 | rpc | eldowan A connected to B on port xxxx and i'm on B and in netstat |
| 01:29.11 | rpc | i want to kill that A's connection locally |
| 01:29.17 | rpc | without killing the daemon |
| 01:29.44 | rpc | it's very easy on windows, thought it's same in linux |
| 01:29.46 | eldowan | rpc: aah, I've looked for a way to do something like that, but havent found out how. try adding the rule to iptables, and then ifdown ifup. |
| 01:29.59 | rpc | eldowan that's ridiculous :) |
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| 01:30.04 | rpc | i can't boot the rest of people... |
| 01:30.16 | eldowan | rpc: sure you *can* you just don't want to be the evil one. |
| 01:30.18 | rpc | must be a way... |
| 01:30.26 | rpc | correct lol |
| 01:30.48 | eldowan | rpc: http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/linux/kill-tcp-connection-using-linux-netstat.php ??? |
| 01:30.59 | rpc | hmm... |
| 01:31.05 | eldowan | tcpkill is referenced |
| 01:31.12 | rpc | yes yes that could work :) |
| 01:31.21 | olsen | Xenguy: :)) |
| 01:31.29 | eldowan | rpc: found it here: :D http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=kill+ip+connection&btnG=Search |
| 01:31.32 | rpc | i was looking just for tcpkill or whatever similar |
| 01:31.37 | chemist | I have a Sony Vaio with ATI x600 with broken (phisically) vram, can I force the driver (radeon) to use shared memory? |
| 01:31.39 | rpc | so it kills tcp session on a given port |
| 01:31.58 | eldowan | rpc: it looks that way, though I haven't used it. |
| 01:32.00 | rpc | thanks so much - reading up now, just very tired and can't really think anymore |
| 01:32.19 | squisher | chemist: do you still get to a booting screen? |
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| 01:32.36 | fsmunoz | rpc, apt-get install dsnif :) I just did, never had heard of tcpkill, it was nice of you to come up with that doubt |
| 01:32.54 | rpc | fsmunoz he he i think it will make many of us happy ;) |
| 01:33.00 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 01:33.06 | rpc | so tcpkill is a part of dsnif? :) |
| 01:33.07 | chemist | squisher: yes it boots fine, but half the screen is all lines |
| 01:33.08 | Supaplex | dsniff is tEh spiffy. |
| 01:33.09 | fsmunoz | Yes |
| 01:33.14 | rpc | oh nice :) |
| 01:33.17 | Supaplex | rpc: dpkg -L dsniff |
| 01:33.18 | rpc | lol you evil people ;) |
| 01:33.52 | Supaplex | I've used it to keep backdoored windows machines from infesing their crap upon the net until I can contact the customer :) |
| 01:34.04 | Supaplex | and/or isolate them |
| 01:34.07 | chemist | squisher:I narrowed it down to vram using freezer spray |
| 01:34.19 | rpc | fsmunoz can't find dnsif |
| 01:34.27 | squisher | chemist: Ok, then you at least have a chance. You should check in the bios, sometimes they have a setting there. I don't know if there is driver setting for it - could be, but unlikely I'd say |
| 01:34.30 | rpc | lol Supaplex |
| 01:34.31 | Supaplex | rpc: it's dsniff |
| 01:34.37 | rpc | that too... |
| 01:34.42 | fsmunoz | apt-cache search dsniff |
| 01:34.42 | fsmunoz | dsniff - Various tools to sniff network traffic for cleartext insecurities |
| 01:34.50 | rpc | oh lol tried dnsiff :) |
| 01:34.57 | Supaplex | check your sources.list |
| 01:35.00 | Supaplex | !info dsniff |
| 01:35.05 | dpkg | dsniff: (Various tools to sniff network traffic for cleartext insecurities), section net, is extra. Version: 2.4b1+debian-15+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 115 kB, Installed size: 380 kB |
| 01:35.13 | rpc | mm :) |
| 01:35.30 | chemist | squisher: checked already, was hoping I'd be able to force it to use shared memory instead via the driver |
| 01:35.42 | octoberdan | ick, evolution (the mail client), for the record, blows |
| 01:35.58 | Supaplex | !start an mua war |
| 01:35.58 | eldowan | chemist: use jbweld to fix the vram, and you are all set :D |
| 01:35.58 | dpkg | elm owns |
| 01:36.00 | squisher | chemist: sorry, don't know then. |
| 01:36.19 | eldowan | octoberdan: I agree with that statement |
| 01:36.32 | chemist | squisher: thanx |
| 01:36.55 | chemist | eldowan: was hoping to not have to |
| 01:37.06 | rpc | hmm |
| 01:37.19 | eldowan | chemist: nothing a hammer won't fix |
| 01:37.24 | rpc | Supaplex? tcpkill tries to listen on a given port instead of killing established connections |
| 01:37.33 | rpc | did i get it all wrong? |
| 01:37.49 | rpc | sniffing is very nice but i do need to boot an ip right now |
| 01:38.04 | chemist | eldowan: maybe I'll just make myself a nice 17" widescreen monitor out of it |
| 01:38.05 | eldowan | rpc: what port? what ip? |
| 01:38.14 | Supaplex | rpc: it'll reset all tcp connections matching a pcap expression on the wire. eg, tcpkill host blah and port 25 |
| 01:38.18 | eldowan | chemist: nice |
| 01:38.35 | rpc | Supaplex i just did that and the ip is still connected |
| 01:38.38 | Supaplex | rpc: otherise, it'll attempt to reset all tcp connections (even your own) |
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| 01:38.52 | Supaplex | rpc: it's best effort only... |
| 01:39.01 | eldowan | rpc: what about somethign like: tcpkill -i eth0 port 21 |
| 01:39.35 | eldowan | rpc: have you looked into cutter? |
| 01:39.41 | eldowan | rpc: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/cutting-the-tcpip-network-connection-with-cutter.html |
| 01:39.46 | rpc | eldowan just trying that thing |
| 01:39.53 | rpc | and it only sniffs... doesn't kill anything |
| 01:40.02 | eldowan | Cut all ssh connection from 192.168.1.5 to ssh server 202.54.1.20 |
| 01:40.02 | eldowan | # cutter 202.54.1.20 192.168.1.5 22 |
| 01:40.04 | rpc | very nice though |
| 01:40.08 | rpc | hm |
| 01:40.31 | Supaplex | rpc: it should print sockets it's attempting to reset |
| 01:40.48 | karmatronic | eldowan, euh i guess it has some requirements though |
| 01:41.04 | eldowan | karmatronic: cutter? |
| 01:41.19 | karmatronic | eldowan, like beeing on the same private network and having a hub running there |
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| 01:41.30 | eldowan | karmatronic: don't follow |
| 01:41.35 | slipF | is it possible to set up a size quota limit of a home directory |
| 01:41.43 | slipF | but have an alternative directory, say /stuff/ that has no quota? |
| 01:41.45 | slipF | per user |
| 01:42.02 | Supaplex | slipF: only per mountpoint (partition) |
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| 01:42.16 | octoberdan | Ok! Thunderbird time.. |
| 01:42.17 | karmatronic | eldowan, you re saying if i m on the same subnet 192.168.1.0/24 i can kill connections from 192.168.1.5? |
| 01:42.37 | rpc | cutter seems fine but that's iptables based tool |
| 01:42.40 | rpc | it's not working on it's own |
| 01:43.18 | rpc | and that particular host i manage has no iptables |
| 01:43.23 | eldowan | karmatronic: I think that cutter is run on a router, and that it will kill the connection from 1.5 to 1.20 on prot 22 |
| 01:43.38 | eldowan | rpc: hmm. tcpkill no bueno? |
| 01:43.56 | Quintin | ping |
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| 01:44.02 | karmatronic | eldowan, ok in that case , that s totally different |
| 01:44.06 | rpc | eldowan tcpkill doesn't kill |
| 01:44.08 | eldowan | karmatronic: yeah. |
| 01:44.12 | eldowan | rpc: ooh. that sucks |
| 01:44.12 | Quintin | dpkg: ping |
| 01:44.12 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:44.15 | rpc | that's the problem lol |
| 01:44.38 | eldowan | (b) Kill all all packets arriving at or departing from host 192.168.1.2 (host12.nixcraft.com) |
| 01:44.38 | eldowan | tcpkill host 192.168.1.2 |
| 01:44.51 | rpc | this combo i didn't try |
| 01:45.01 | eldowan | (c) To kill all IP packets between 192.168.1.2 and any host except 192.168.1.111, type the following: |
| 01:45.01 | eldowan | tcpkill ip host 192.168.1.2 and not 192.168.1.111 |
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| 01:45.31 | rpc | tcpkill: eth0: no IPv4 address assigned |
| 01:45.31 | rpc | tcpkill: couldn't initialize sniffing |
| 01:45.37 | Azar | hahaha well C++ and C# are wimps |
| 01:45.43 | Azar | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Nothing_Final.aspx |
| 01:45.47 | rpc | it seems so simple but it doesn't work lol |
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| 01:46.19 | karmatronic | eldowan, but what is your own ip ? |
| 01:46.36 | eldowan | 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:46.40 | Azar | :) |
| 01:46.46 | Azar | !beer eldowan |
| 01:46.48 | eldowan | karmatronic: it is your own ip too |
| 01:46.54 | karmatronic | let s see |
| 01:46.56 | eldowan | thanks Azar, i needed that |
| 01:47.30 | karmatronic | eldowan, you wanna try tcpkill beeing in the router or on any machine in the same subnet ? |
| 01:47.31 | Azar | eldowan: you spoiled the party, you should have let him try something funky with your IP |
| 01:47.32 | eldowan | karmatronic: well yours might be 4.77.1x1.xxx |
| 01:47.54 | eldowan | karmatronic: aah, I think tcpkill needs to be run on the machine that has one of the offending connections |
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| 01:48.07 | Azar | hence: the router |
| 01:48.07 | eldowan | Azar: aah, I'll remember that for next time. :D |
| 01:48.44 | eldowan | I immagine you could be on the subnet and try to DOS the offending ip too... |
| 01:49.51 | eldowan | Azar: if c++ and c# are shrimpy, do you use assembler? or raw machine code? |
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| 01:50.39 | eldowan | rpc: if tcpkill doenst work, just install iptables, use cutter, and then remove iptables.. :D |
| 01:50.54 | Supaplex | alias saturate_eth0='tcpdump -ni eth0 -w - | tcpreplay -i eth0' |
| 01:50.56 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 01:51.22 | eldowan | do I see an evil jeanous at work? |
| 01:51.24 | eldowan | or play? |
| 01:51.37 | Kevin` | you know, there's a kernel module designed to do that |
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| 01:52.07 | Supaplex | who needs a kernel when userspace is so much fun |
| 01:52.24 | eldowan | yeah, users kick ass |
| 01:52.35 | eldowan | they keep me employed, I love em |
| 01:52.45 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 01:52.48 | rpc | i must be too stupid to fix the damn problem... there is a service running on port 1500. and i have like 10 connections to it. i want to kill ip 1.1.1.1 connected to it. how do i do this with tcpkill? i tried anything i could and it's still there |
| 01:52.57 | Supaplex | I love em to,as long as tier1 takes the calls. |
| 01:53.10 | rpc | either goes into sniff mode or doesn't kill anything |
| 01:53.36 | karmatronic | rpc, tcpkill -i eth0 port 1500 host 1.1.1.1 |
| 01:54.41 | rpc | karmatronic hmm i tried something slightly different and got syntax error... let me try this one |
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| 01:55.20 | rpc | karmatronic syntax error... |
| 01:55.38 | karmatronic | rpc, what does it say ? |
| 01:55.49 | Azar | eldowan: nothing more elegant and precise than C |
| 01:56.02 | octoberdan | icedove! hehe |
| 01:56.16 | eldowan | Azar: you mean C is more elegant than VB??? for SHAME Azar! |
| 01:56.29 | octoberdan | haha |
| 01:56.29 | eldowan | bogons make me sad |
| 01:56.32 | rpc | karmatronic it said syntax error |
| 01:56.33 | rahul | i += i++; |
| 01:56.39 | rahul | elegant and precise. |
| 01:56.43 | Azar | VB is for kids |
| 01:56.47 | karsten | Feh: Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. What's the fix? (running aptitude) |
| 01:57.02 | karsten | keys, even. |
| 01:57.04 | Azar | feh? I love feh! |
| 01:57.11 | karmatronic | Azar, python is more elegant |
| 01:57.12 | karsten | !love feh |
| 01:57.21 | Supaplex | which key |
| 01:57.25 | karsten | Azar: You've been cuckholded by a bot. |
| 01:57.28 | Supaplex | there's more then one iirc |
| 01:57.38 | Azar | pyton is for perl like ubuntu is for debian |
| 01:57.50 | Xenguy | hah |
| 01:57.53 | octoberdan | ? |
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| 01:57.55 | rpc | Azar? |
| 01:58.00 | eldowan | like it |
| 01:58.06 | GeorgeS069 | well,I got the radio on and I can scan for AP's now |
| 01:58.18 | Supaplex | yay |
| 01:58.26 | octoberdan | Azar: More like perl is to python as OSX is to linux |
| 01:58.26 | Azar | ruby php pyton are pigmee at the feet of perl |
| 01:58.40 | eldowan | GeorgeS069: you can scan for APs from an am/fm tuner? |
| 01:58.44 | karsten | Supaplex: 4F368D5D 2D230C5F 6070D3A1 1F41B907 1DB114E0 B5F5BBED |
| 01:58.47 | Azar | perl bastartd |
| 01:58.48 | eldowan | GeorgeS069: what engineering feat did you pull off? |
| 01:58.50 | Azar | bastards* |
| 01:59.04 | octoberdan | Azar: Perl can be fun |
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| 01:59.10 | Xenguy | Azar: you, sir, are the perl bastard :-D |
| 01:59.26 | Azar | the roots are allways better than offsprings: assembler, C, perl |
| 01:59.33 | eldowan | I'd rather be a perl bastard than wear a peral necklace |
| 01:59.45 | Xenguy | eldowan: getting one? |
| 01:59.51 | Azar | Xenguy: sorry I ment the "derivatives" like php, ruby and pyton are the bastards of perl |
| 01:59.52 | GeorgeS069 | well,after reading the entire internet and finding almost no help and alot of 404's I was mucking around and tried ifup eth1 and the damn radio turned on :) |
| 01:59.55 | eldowan | I hope to never |
| 01:59.57 | octoberdan | Ah! peril necklace |
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| 02:00.04 | karmatronic | rpc, tcpdump src 1.1.1.1 dst port 1500 |
| 02:00.10 | karsten | Supaplex: That would cover the 2006 key, and I've got the debian keyring installed. |
| 02:00.20 | karmatronic | rpc, s/tcpdump/tcpkill |
| 02:00.23 | Xenguy | Azar: now I'm confused - a mere thing of the moment - no worries :-) |
| 02:00.24 | karsten | Azar: Um. Not hardly. |
| 02:00.27 | karmatronic | rpc, and use -9 |
| 02:00.31 | octoberdan | Azar: How does ruby fit into the picture then? |
| 02:00.39 | Supaplex | karsten: I'm aloof on how to isolate it. just tossing out ideas. what's the key on the package? |
| 02:00.46 | wireddd | is anything horribly broken in sid right now? |
| 02:00.52 | Azar | octoberdan: I mentioned ruby as well |
| 02:00.56 | eldowan | octoberdan: ruby fits in a fitting, not a picture. :D |
| 02:01.02 | Xenguy | wireddd: sid was a horrible kid ;-) |
| 02:01.03 | Supaplex | !btssmite wireddd |
| 02:01.03 | karsten | Supaplex: How would I see it? |
| 02:01.07 | pipeline | eldowan: actually, the u.s. mandates metric for everything. It's just that it's not taught very well in schools and nobody knows shit about it :P |
| 02:01.10 | octoberdan | Azar: missed that, my eyes are getting tired |
| 02:01.13 | Supaplex | karsten: wish I knew :) |
| 02:01.36 | eldowan | pipeline: yeah, i know. I think metric is so much more intuitive than the imperial measuring system. |
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| 02:01.47 | Azar | some never started with the beginning, indulged in some offspring scripts and now snub the real programming languages |
| 02:01.49 | pipeline | eldowan: that's an objective truth :P |
| 02:01.51 | eldowan | pipeline: have you ever read up on the meter? you should really take a look |
| 02:02.13 | Xenguy | pipeline: do I smell Ayn Rand? |
| 02:02.22 | pipeline | eldowan: Eh, I don't care that it's foundation is insane. Units are arbitrary. What's great is that everything fits together. |
| 02:02.27 | eldowan | pipeline: you find that 32 : 1 then 12:1 then 2:1 is intuitive? |
| 02:02.30 | Supaplex | Xenguy: do you have a nose, and is Ayn Rand near by? |
| 02:02.35 | pipeline | Xenguy: I don't know; does it still stink when iced? |
| 02:02.35 | karsten | Xenguy: By this time, I'd describe that as musky earth. |
| 02:02.37 | eldowan | 3:1, sorry |
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| 02:02.54 | eldowan | pipeline: oh yes, I agree. |
| 02:02.58 | pipeline | eldowan: Metric is always 1:1 and 1:10/10:1 ratios :P |
| 02:03.00 | Supaplex | The wonderful thing about standards is ... |
| 02:03.12 | karsten | Supaplex: ... there's so many to choose from. |
| 02:03.15 | eldowan | I'm the only one! |
| 02:03.21 | eldowan | oh! that Tigger. |
| 02:03.47 | undesktop | International Smartass Organisation |
| 02:03.49 | eldowan | international standards orginaztion? |
| 02:04.00 | karsten | !lose eldowan |
| 02:04.00 | dpkg | eldowan: You Lose. |
| 02:04.24 | Supaplex | I See O's |
| 02:04.32 | wireddd | industry standards organisation |
| 02:04.45 | karsten | Supaplex: ... they're everywhere ... |
| 02:04.51 | eldowan | ISO - International Organization for Standardization |
| 02:04.55 | karsten | Supaplex: ... and they don't even know they're O's. |
| 02:04.55 | Supaplex | !iso |
| 02:04.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, iso is a cd-image. CD images of debian are available at http://www.debian.org/CD, or debian-cd.com, or http://www.linuxiso.org, or something I do with needle and thread, or ask me about "netinst", a 32 MB bootable base-installation ISO, or jigdo, or ask me about "jigdo", or did I mention "jigdo"?, or see "create cd image", or a partially-correct way of referring ISO 9660 |
| 02:04.59 | karsten | eldowan: ... Half right. |
| 02:05.11 | Supaplex | heh |
| 02:05.16 | undesktop | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso |
| 02:05.21 | Supaplex | the bot just *looks* smart. |
| 02:05.28 | fsmunoz | Yes, greek for equal, everyone know that |
| 02:05.29 | fsmunoz | eheh |
| 02:05.32 | Kevin` | iso, as in the cd image, is short for iso9660, the filesystem |
| 02:05.40 | undesktop | "International Sugar Organization" aha the sugar mafia! |
| 02:06.00 | undesktop | "International Socialist Organization" sounds funny too |
| 02:06.12 | eldowan | or the film speed for cameras. |
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| 02:06.46 | mfrisch | other manufacturers use iso |
| 02:06.50 | rahul | no, they're incentive stock options, wtf |
| 02:06.57 | Supaplex | dude, where's the yellow ball in the big blue room? |
| 02:07.25 | karsten | Supaplex: "The sun isn't yellow, it's chicken!" |
| 02:07.32 | donbe | what is the name of the utility for setting up network connections? |
| 02:07.40 | karsten | donbe: ifconfig |
| 02:07.42 | Supaplex | must be why it's out of sight :( |
| 02:07.42 | eldowan | donbe: ifconfig |
| 02:08.01 | eldowan | karsten: not me |
| 02:08.01 | Malf | donbe: The international sugar organization |
| 02:08.09 | Supaplex | donbe: or man 5 interfaces ; ifup ; ifdown |
| 02:08.13 | Malf | They've got their hands in everything |
| 02:08.27 | donbe | karsten, no, i am talking about the one with a neat gui. |
| 02:08.40 | karsten | donbe: vim! |
| 02:08.44 | Supaplex | intentionaly sloppy orangatangs |
| 02:08.47 | karsten | Malf: Hope they've got plenty of hand soap. |
| 02:09.07 | Supaplex | neat gui. humm that's a toughie. what's a gui? |
| 02:09.11 | Malf | karsten: Oh they do.. That's their plan you see.. To build a supergerm that spreads across the world |
| 02:09.18 | Malf | so that everyone will.. want sugar? |
| 02:09.25 | Malf | hmm |
| 02:09.25 | karsten | eldowan: The other half is "Organisation internationale de normalisation." (French long name of ISO). |
| 02:09.31 | Malf | Perhaps they haven't though this maniacal plan out all that well |
| 02:09.33 | donbe | no, not vim. i have one working in another system. one which can be used to set up for ppp as well as wlan. |
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| 02:09.55 | Supaplex | Malf: didn't you read between the lines of the vista license? |
| 02:10.00 | eldowan | karsten: I'm not worried about french, though I did know of the french name |
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| 02:10.27 | donbe | its a kde utility. anyone? |
| 02:10.33 | karsten | donbe: My suggestion: use vim (or another editor of your choice), and configure /etc/network/interfaces. man 5 interfaces or see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ for how. |
| 02:10.38 | Malf | Supaplex: Some sort of sugar DRM is in the works? |
| 02:11.05 | Malf | It's Microsoft's most delicious move yet |
| 02:11.06 | eldowan | Malf: I refuse to use drm |
| 02:11.41 | donbe | karsten, thks, but this one is so user friendly, you set it up once, then you can activate/deactivate anytime. |
| 02:11.51 | Supaplex | drm is for dictators |
| 02:12.01 | karsten | donbe: Funny, I was thinking that too. |
| 02:12.11 | karsten | donbe: 'ifup eth0' 'ifdown eth0' |
| 02:12.13 | GhostlyDeath | I have an Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (802.11abg), how do I set it up? |
| 02:12.27 | eldowan | GhostlyDeath: put it on a table |
| 02:12.40 | donbe | karsten, this one can handle ppp too, in one gui. |
| 02:12.43 | GhostlyDeath | the laptop? |
| 02:12.48 | Supaplex | and swing at it with a golf club! |
| 02:12.55 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: Commit the crime, spread false evidence and rumors. Cops should take care of the rest. |
| 02:13.02 | Supaplex | jk :P |
| 02:13.06 | GhostlyDeath | What crime? |
| 02:13.09 | karsten | donbe: Search. Hell if we can tell from your description. |
| 02:13.12 | GhostlyDeath | It works under windows |
| 02:13.14 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: The one you're setting it up for. |
| 02:13.15 | GhostlyDeath | of course |
| 02:13.30 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath google it, there's a project on sourceforge sponsored by intel. I think that's the card that needs the regulatory deamon :/ |
| 02:13.34 | ReinH | Damn irc for destroying my spelling ability |
| 02:13.39 | GhostlyDeath | also |
| 02:13.44 | Malf | eldowan: You take issue with disaccharide rights management? |
| 02:13.45 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: I already told you; go to ipw3945.sf.net and follow the destructions |
| 02:13.45 | fsmunoz | 0c:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 02:13.49 | fsmunoz | I have it |
| 02:13.56 | fsmunoz | Working at this very moment |
| 02:13.59 | GhostlyDeath | How do I shut off the DAMN clicking on my touchpad!?! |
| 02:14.02 | donbe | karsten, in the one i have installed, the command to start it is network-admin, but i can't find it in the repo. |
| 02:14.06 | GhostlyDeath | Everytime I hit it to move, it messes up |
| 02:14.07 | fsmunoz | Yes, it needs the regulatory daemon and the firmware |
| 02:14.18 | Malf | eldowan: Or more with disaccharides replacing monosaccharides? |
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| 02:14.26 | GhostlyDeath | What do I download? |
| 02:14.27 | fsmunoz | Which makes me feel a bit impure |
| 02:14.32 | Malf | We need to be clear about which DRM we're talking about here |
| 02:14.36 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: a moments google would answer your synaptics question |
| 02:14.47 | eldowan | Malf: I have a rpoblem with irk uzrs who demean actonims. :D |
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| 02:15.11 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, Google "3945ABG Linux". First link. |
| 02:15.21 | karsten | donbe: Well, since you've got it elsewhere, track it down there and find out where it comes from, what package it's part of, or what its upstream is. Then /msg dpkg search |
| 02:15.25 | GhostlyDeath | I downloaded the sources but are there binaries? |
| 02:15.29 | karsten | !tell donbe about search |
| 02:15.43 | amphi | shouldn't it be GhastlyDeath? ;) |
| 02:15.48 | Malf | brb - hiring new actonims |
| 02:15.53 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath the binaries would have to match your kernel version and config. just use the source. |
| 02:15.54 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: What sort of system? May be a BIOS setting. |
| 02:16.05 | GhostlyDeath | How do I compile? |
| 02:16.14 | Kevin` | follow the instructions |
| 02:16.19 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: you read the instructions |
| 02:16.23 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, actually if you activate contrib/non-free it's all there, the packages to apt-get are firmware-ipw3945, ipw3945-modules-<kernel-version> and ipw3945d |
| 02:17.02 | Supaplex | m-a to the rescue |
| 02:17.08 | GeorgeS069 | Could someone point me to a How-To for xsupplicant that is in english? |
| 02:17.28 | GhostlyDeath | so go to the synaptic package manager? |
| 02:17.30 | amphi | heh |
| 02:18.04 | versuchsanstalt | is there a way to run fslint on stable? i couldnt find a backport yet |
| 02:18.08 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath i'd think it would be faster to just type the names using the console command, but sure |
| 02:18.13 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, yes, if that0s what you use... instruct it to use contrib and non-free and search for the packages that I mentioned |
| 02:18.25 | karsten | !friday |
| 02:18.25 | dpkg | well, friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 02:18.36 | amphi | heheh |
| 02:18.42 | eldowan | versuchsanstalt: sure, grab the source and compile. :D |
| 02:19.24 | versuchsanstalt | eldowan: what about the dependencies? the night is not that young anymore over here... ;-) |
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| 02:19.56 | GhostlyDeath | How do I make it do that? |
| 02:19.58 | eldowan | versuchsanstalt: no idea. you asked if there is a way, and I showed you *a* path. :D |
| 02:20.05 | fsmunoz | eldowan, bloody hell, medicine is getting really specific nowadays :) |
| 02:20.30 | karsten | eldowan: Move to Iowa! |
| 02:20.36 | karsten | eldowan: ... you won't live any longer ... |
| 02:20.42 | karsten | eldowan: ... but it'll feel like it. |
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| 02:20.51 | eldowan | karsten: ! :D |
| 02:21.32 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, do what? |
| 02:22.09 | g333k_laptop | Hi guys, what do I need to be able to use my irDA port? |
| 02:22.19 | GhostlyDeath | Tell it to use contrib and non-free |
| 02:22.50 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, no offense, but have you tried asking that same question to Google? |
| 02:22.59 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 02:23.05 | g333k_laptop | !irda |
| 02:23.06 | dpkg | irda is, like, (InfraRed Data Association) These people developed the IRDA port standard that transfers data through the use of infrared light. Of course, you must have two IRDA devices to get any real use out of this technology. Most notebooks today come standard with this port and some printers do as well. It's handy if you road warriors want to print a document and you've got all the right stuff. |
| 02:23.25 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, "Debian activate non-free", my third link explains it |
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| 02:24.14 | fsmunoz | And many others... it's quicker to search for the rather common stuff, so that we can help with the ones that are really more cumbersome... |
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| 02:25.01 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/dmesg.txt - any ideas why hostap isn't working.. more specifically what do I have to do to auto-download the firmware |
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| 02:25.31 | donbe | karsten, can't find it but in this page http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-networking-for-basic-and-advanced-users.htmlprint/, it is mentioned as a Ubuntu utility. don't know how i have got the first one. any idea? |
| 02:26.08 | karsten | donbe: Um. Nope. |
| 02:26.31 | etrask | could someone help me with a fstab/mount issue? It's not directly debian related (but I am USING debian) |
| 02:27.11 | eldowan | etrask: mount up |
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| 02:27.30 | karsten | etrask: Ask |
| 02:27.38 | karsten | etrask: ... and /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 02:27.47 | etrask | haha... that's it, karsten |
| 02:27.48 | karsten | etrask: ... if that's it (guessing) |
| 02:27.52 | karsten | !win me |
| 02:27.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:27.58 | siimo | anyone know where to clear the apt-get diff cache? apt-get update keeps failing cause the diff is corrupted previously and it keeps tryin to get a diff |
| 02:28.14 | Kevin` | anybody? |
| 02:28.14 | eldowan | !beer karsten for the telepathetic communication |
| 02:28.18 | karsten | siimo: /var/lib/cache/... mumble |
| 02:28.23 | eldowan | Kevin`: whats going on? |
| 02:28.29 | Kevin` | eldowan my wifi doesn't work |
| 02:28.56 | siimo | karsten: not there but found @ /var/lib/apt/lists/partial thx |
| 02:29.14 | h3xis | can anyone recommend a good front end client for scp? |
| 02:29.16 | karsten | siimo: Cool. |
| 02:29.21 | karsten | h3xis: bash |
| 02:29.23 | Ronin | h3xis: cmd line |
| 02:29.39 | h3xis | ... |
| 02:29.49 | h3xis | with a gui |
| 02:29.54 | Kevin` | honestly that's what i use, bash :) |
| 02:29.55 | Ronin | h3xis: seriously scp foo etc. |
| 02:29.55 | eldowan | Kevin`: what does lspci show your card to be? or rather what card/chipset if your wifi? |
| 02:29.56 | karsten | h3xis: rxvt |
| 02:29.57 | Kevin` | winscp in windows |
| 02:30.05 | Ronin | Kevin`: yep or pscp |
| 02:30.05 | h3xis | Kevin`, :P |
| 02:30.20 | h3xis | thank yous ^^ |
| 02:30.22 | eldowan | h3xis: konqueror and nautilus support sftp |
| 02:30.22 | Kevin` | eldowan it's a prism2 card,http://pastebin.ca/348332 |
| 02:30.23 | karsten | h3xis: mc if you want an ncurses interface (fish file transfer, uses SSH). Konqueror will do same IIRC. |
| 02:30.29 | h3xis | :O eldowan o rly? |
| 02:30.40 | eldowan | h3xis: yes sftp://user@host |
| 02:30.44 | h3xis | wow cool |
| 02:30.50 | karsten | h3xis: nautilus *only* if you install file-roller IIRC. Nautilus is a steaming pile of broken crap. |
| 02:30.58 | karsten | And how they managed to break crap I'll never know. |
| 02:31.03 | h3xis | :< |
| 02:31.06 | eldowan | h3xis: konqueror actually supports smtp:// and pop:// |
| 02:31.12 | karsten | konq is pretty damned good. |
| 02:31.17 | karsten | eldowan: !! |
| 02:31.19 | eldowan | karsten: and I'll agree with you on the nautilus too |
| 02:31.23 | eldowan | karsten: ?? |
| 02:31.35 | karsten | eldowan: smtp/pop. No shit? |
| 02:31.36 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:31.53 | eldowan | karsten: kio supports it, but I haven't had any luck |
| 02:31.59 | g333k_laptop | Hi, how can I find what kind of chip irDA does my laptop have? |
| 02:32.13 | karsten | g333k_laptop: lspci or dmidecode or discover |
| 02:32.15 | Ronin | indeed |
| 02:32.26 | eldowan | g333k_laptop: lspci? lspci -n? lspci -v? |
| 02:32.42 | amphi | g333k_laptop: with difficulty ;) |
| 02:32.54 | Kevin` | eldowan ? |
| 02:32.57 | amphi | g333k_laptop: linux-laptop.net and/or tuxmobil.org might know |
| 02:33.03 | eldowan | karsten: it supports imap, not pop |
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| 02:33.24 | karsten | eldowan: OK. I suppose that's listed among the handlers/protocols somewhere? |
| 02:33.26 | eldowan | Kevin`: I have broken every single wireless device I've tried to get working in linux, I really wouldn't ask my help on this particular issue. |
| 02:33.37 | Kevin` | anyone else? |
| 02:34.23 | abrotman | Kevin`: mine just works |
| 02:34.33 | eldowan | karsten: konqueror: settings -> config konq. Preview: internet protocols. |
| 02:34.35 | Kevin` | well mine doesn't just work :/ |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01) |
| 02:34.37 | abrotman | that's mine |
| 02:34.43 | Ronin | Kevin`: dont ask me, any wireless and debian ive tried was like abrotmans it just worked |
| 02:34.49 | g333k_laptop | eldowan, lspci -v , lists me all my devices but I dont find some irda device :( |
| 02:35.05 | karsten | Kevin`: Orinoco or Lucent Wavlan cards. Don't leave home w/o 'em. |
| 02:35.07 | Kevin` | g333k_laptop irda isn't usually pci |
| 02:35.10 | eldowan | karsten: nfs, pop3, iso, ldap, webdav among others. also look into the kioslave IIRC |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | orinoco |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | hermes |
| 02:35.14 | abrotman | orinoco-pci |
| 02:35.15 | Ronin | it was literally cool it found the wireless card :) |
| 02:35.17 | abrotman | those are my drivers |
| 02:35.17 | karsten | Kevin`: Everything else is a fucking pile of crap. |
| 02:35.21 | karsten | hermes is Ok. |
| 02:35.28 | Kevin` | karsten heh those are OLD |
| 02:35.30 | eldowan | g333k_laptop: sorry, I don't have irda support on my system. |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | at least it works :) |
| 02:35.31 | Kevin` | I like atheros now |
| 02:35.32 | g333k_laptop | Kevin`, what is it then? |
| 02:35.34 | karsten | Kevin`: They work. |
| 02:35.48 | karsten | Kevin`: You got's your choice: old and working, or new and nonfunctional. |
| 02:35.57 | Kevin` | g333k_laptop as far as i've seen, shows up as a serial controller |
| 02:35.59 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, most are serial port when in SIR mode |
| 02:36.00 | GhostlyDeath | damn this is hard |
| 02:36.16 | Kevin` | karsten prism2 is old too. but I have plenty of new cards that work nicely :) |
| 02:36.18 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, which is always your surest bet, since FIR requires specific drivers (generally SMC) |
| 02:36.31 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, how do I find the chip I have? |
| 02:36.42 | karsten | Kevin`: If you've got a website/blog, list 'em. |
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| 02:37.09 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, well, irda-utils has a "findchip" command |
| 02:37.11 | etrask | yay, thanks Karsten (and also eldowan for willing to help) |
| 02:37.11 | Kevin` | karsten atheros, intel, some ralink, and probably others i'm forgetting |
| 02:37.15 | etrask | got me mount workin' right |
| 02:37.16 | Xorm | http://techdigest.tv/pcmaclinux.jpg |
| 02:37.17 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, run "findchip" as root |
| 02:37.17 | Xorm | XD |
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| 02:37.30 | LunarCrisis | why is it that my sound quality improves greatly when I turn the PCM volume down to 50% and then compensate by turning up other volumes? |
| 02:37.34 | eldowan | etrask: sweet, another problem is dusted into the pan of gone! |
| 02:37.39 | LunarCrisis | It happens on both my desktop and laptop computers |
| 02:37.40 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, ok, no results |
| 02:37.41 | Xorm | LunarCrisis, you get noise> |
| 02:37.43 | etrask | That's always satisfying |
| 02:37.43 | Xorm | ? |
| 02:37.47 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, don't get your hopes very high, never worked for me since all my laptops have had SMC irda devices that aren't supported in FIR mode |
| 02:37.53 | Xorm | or buzzing on access to HDs or CPU? |
| 02:37.54 | Kevin` | lol Xorm |
| 02:37.55 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ok |
| 02:38.02 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, "dmesg | grep tty" |
| 02:38.05 | Xorm | I lmao'd at that pic |
| 02:38.17 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: by keeping your SW folume at a medium level, you generally have a greatly cleaner signal with less distortion from amplification. |
| 02:38.21 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, how many ttyS's appear ? |
| 02:38.21 | LunarCrisis | Xorm, sort of, it sounds more like a degredation in quality, like clipping |
| 02:38.30 | Xorm | hmmm |
| 02:38.40 | LunarCrisis | eldowan, ah, so 100% doesn't really mean 100%, does it? |
| 02:38.43 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: I've noticed this in my car amplifier, head unit, PC hardware, and home theatre systems |
| 02:38.53 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A |
| 02:38.57 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: if it doesn't go above 100% the why wouldn't it? |
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| 02:38.59 | Kevin` | anyone want to help me get my wifi working? driver output at bottom: http://kwzs.be/~kevin/dmesg.txt |
| 02:39.02 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, just that one |
| 02:39.06 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, no ttyS0 ? |
| 02:39.12 | fsmunoz | Umm |
| 02:39.15 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, noup |
| 02:39.18 | fsmunoz | That's strange :) |
| 02:39.32 | LunarCrisis | eldowan, 100% sounds to me like no transformation, where 200% would be amplification, I guess I misunderstood =p |
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| 02:39.43 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, your laptop has a normal serial port? |
| 02:39.48 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.58 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, or is it of one those that lack a serial port? |
| 02:40.12 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: IIRC, it is All amplified |
| 02:40.17 | Kevin` | mfrisch I will if you tell me why it's not accepting the firmware :) |
| 02:40.20 | LunarCrisis | hmm |
| 02:40.23 | GhostlyDeath | damnit, /etc/apt/sources.list is messed up |
| 02:40.28 | GhostlyDeath | and I have no editing rights |
| 02:40.36 | LunarCrisis | but why does it make a difference whether I turn the master or PCM up? |
| 02:40.57 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, I think lack..... just one parallel port |
| 02:41.06 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, that can actually be good :) |
| 02:41.11 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, give me a sec |
| 02:41.12 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, ok go on |
| 02:41.50 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: are you using integrated sound? |
| 02:41.59 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: i.e. not a pci soundcard |
| 02:42.02 | LunarCrisis | eldowan, probably |
| 02:42.05 | twobitsprite | where does quake2 expect to find its data files? I don't see an option to specify |
| 02:42.07 | LunarCrisis | AFAIK |
| 02:43.05 | rpc | how long does it take to install System etch over network? |
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| 02:43.13 | mfrisch | Kevin`: maybe use a real nic not a usb? |
| 02:43.15 | karsten | twobitsprite: That's not a bug. |
| 02:43.16 | rpc | it seems stuck on 5%... |
| 02:43.19 | karsten | twobitsprite: ... it's a fault. |
| 02:43.23 | Kevin` | mfrisch it's a pcmcia nic |
| 02:43.29 | karsten | rpc: Depends on the network. |
| 02:43.35 | rpc | karsten fast one... |
| 02:43.39 | karsten | rpc: ~20-40 minutes for reasonable DSL. |
| 02:43.40 | pickcoder | LunarCrisis: PCM is the digital representation of the sine wave being produced |
| 02:43.43 | karsten | rpc: Define "fast" |
| 02:43.43 | Kevin` | mfrisch the usb one is just so I can paste things without typing them manually |
| 02:43.47 | LunarCrisis | pickcoder, yeah |
| 02:43.52 | rpc | karsten hm 100 :) |
| 02:43.55 | pickcoder | if you turn it up, eventually it will clip over the bandwidth of the amplifier |
| 02:43.56 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: the issue is that the integrated sound cards generally have lower quality components, just providing enough quality to make the AC'97 listing. basicly integrated soundcards have a tendancy to supply the lowest uality parts to get the job done. |
| 02:44.06 | pickcoder | unless it's class D |
| 02:44.07 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, right |
| 02:44.07 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:44.11 | rpc | karsten waiting over 5 mins to get past 5% |
| 02:44.15 | rpc | is that normal? |
| 02:44.16 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, "irattach /dev/ttyS1" |
| 02:44.18 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, as root |
| 02:44.21 | karsten | rpc: No |
| 02:44.26 | rpc | i knew that... |
| 02:44.26 | LunarCrisis | eldowan, ah, I see |
| 02:44.35 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, should return immediatly |
| 02:44.39 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: this means that the mobo introduces more noise into the wire than normal, and at lower PCM volumes, the speakers pick up the slack, which are purpose made. |
| 02:44.53 | LunarCrisis | eldowan, how much does it cost to get a decent quality sound card? |
| 02:44.56 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: I don't know for sure, I just make things up that sound good in my head. :D |
| 02:44.59 | MikeMendez | Hey, a friend wants to install a mail server but we don't know how, all the packages where installed during the base config |
| 02:45.02 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: not much. |
| 02:45.07 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, "dmesg|tail" should show something like "irtty_open - ttyS1: irda line discipline opened" |
| 02:45.21 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: I've heard good things about the audigy2 series from creative, and those are years old. |
| 02:45.32 | pickcoder | LunarCrisis: define "decent quality" |
| 02:45.33 | rpc | karsten: is it possible to resume after reboot or do i need to start the whole install from scratch? |
| 02:45.50 | rpc | karsten perhaps i have choosen some ass slow mirror |
| 02:45.54 | eldowan | pickcoder: probably no noise thrown on the sire when the PCM is turned to 11 |
| 02:46.11 | LunarCrisis | pickcoder, to be good enough that the quality of ~50$ headphones becomes the limiting factor |
| 02:46.13 | MikeMendez | is there a program available to allow adding/modifying/removing email accounts? |
| 02:46.14 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, still there ? |
| 02:46.14 | eldowan | rpc: there is a known issue with dpkg hanging at 5% |
| 02:46.22 | rpc | eldowan oh? |
| 02:46.27 | pickcoder | PCM settings are pointless if you have a quality stereo system hooked up |
| 02:46.33 | rpc | eldowan damn it... |
| 02:46.36 | eldowan | rpc: I think dondelelcaromight have more info. are you on a new install? |
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| 02:46.46 | Kevin` | MikeMendez you mean, like a mail client? |
| 02:46.47 | eldowan | rpc: did you use the etch rc1 installer? |
| 02:46.49 | rpc | eldowan yes, fresh install of Etch |
| 02:46.51 | GhostlyDeath | damn |
| 02:46.52 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, yep |
| 02:46.54 | rpc | eldowan yes |
| 02:46.58 | MikeMendez | yea |
| 02:47.00 | rpc | eldowan network rc1 |
| 02:47.07 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, I got that line: irtty_open - ttyS1: irda line discipline opened |
| 02:47.10 | eldowan | rpc: that is the problem. the rc1 installer had the dpkg bug |
| 02:47.13 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, good |
| 02:47.16 | rpc | eldowan that's nice |
| 02:47.20 | MikeMendez | He's new to linux and only knows a little about useing KDE |
| 02:47.22 | rpc | eldowan and what now? :) |
| 02:47.22 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, now do a "irdadump" |
| 02:47.35 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, and try to send something to your irda port |
| 02:47.38 | MikeMendez | he doesn't know anything about the command prompt, i have experience with debian but not with mail servers |
| 02:47.42 | LunarCrisis | pickcoder, ah, what I was asking before was why I got better sound quality when I have high master and low PCM volumes than when I have low master and high PCM volumes |
| 02:47.50 | eldowan | rpc: install with a pre rc1? or wait for rc2. |
| 02:47.56 | haggz | rpc: standard recommendation is to download the daily build etch net install |
| 02:48.00 | rpc | eldowan you mean i cant install at all? |
| 02:48.10 | eldowan | rpc: don't know. I haven't used rc1 |
| 02:48.11 | rpc | haggz wish i knew it existed... |
| 02:48.14 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, is lots of useless nonsense appear, your've made it and can abandon the idea of using it and move along to something else :D |
| 02:48.16 | pickcoder | LunarCrisis: you are overdriving the cheap amplifier on the card |
| 02:48.27 | rpc | i think i will just grab full cd1 |
| 02:48.29 | LunarCrisis | hmm, so it clips? |
| 02:48.33 | pickcoder | basically |
| 02:48.46 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: yes, I was trying to describe clipping |
| 02:48.51 | mfrisch | rpc: goto vt4 and see the output |
| 02:49.05 | LunarCrisis | pickcoder, so is PCM pre-sound card volume and master a signal to the sound card? |
| 02:49.08 | rpc | mfrisch how can i do this? |
| 02:49.19 | eldowan | any information of the rc1 dpkg bug for etch? |
| 02:49.23 | mfrisch | ctrl-alt f4 |
| 02:49.32 | peterS | LunarCrisis: they're both inside the sound card |
| 02:49.33 | rpc | mfrisch oh, thank you, trying |
| 02:49.44 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, and edit /etc/default/irda-utils so it starts on boot |
| 02:49.44 | pickcoder | PCM is the digital signal source, which gets converted to a sine wave (pre-amp) |
| 02:49.50 | rpc | oh wow |
| 02:49.58 | pickcoder | master is the main amplifier gain |
| 02:50.02 | rpc | mfrisch that was really smart |
| 02:50.14 | mfrisch | rpc: you can install it can work. Are you using a netinstall cd |
| 02:50.17 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, how do I send something to my irda port? |
| 02:50.23 | Kevin` | mfrisch share some of that smartness with me :) |
| 02:50.24 | rpc | mfrisch Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway... enter Yes/No |
| 02:50.27 | eldowan | rpc: yeah, also be aware that f2 will take you to a busybox |
| 02:50.28 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, I have my cell here... I want to get files from it |
| 02:50.35 | rpc | mfrisch yes, i'm using net install rc1 |
| 02:50.42 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, well, I'm assuming you have some other IRDA device you want to talk with... |
| 02:50.49 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, say, a mobile phone... |
| 02:50.53 | GhostlyDeath | I can't do this.. |
| 02:50.57 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, or whatever uses IRDA these days |
| 02:51.01 | mfrisch | rpc: try saying yes if it works your ok if not ....... |
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| 02:51.08 | rpc | it didn't... |
| 02:51.09 | pickcoder | LunarCrisis: if you want good sound, use an external amplifier |
| 02:51.16 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, thanks buddy, I will try and tell you the rsults |
| 02:51.24 | mfrisch | rpc: ok give me a sec |
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| 02:51.39 | rpc | mfrisch i went into busybox... on F2 |
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| 02:51.44 | rpc | mfrisch will that help? |
| 02:51.51 | pickcoder | or buy a sound card with digital dolby output |
| 02:52.06 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: are your questions answered, or are you thirsty for more? |
| 02:52.14 | Kevin` | I prefer my sound cards with sound output thx :) |
| 02:52.19 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, your're welcome... it should work now and you'll see the incoming packets. Now, don't ask me how to make it work for sending and receiving files... I didn't use that yet, there are probable some other commands involved. But at least the irda communication works. |
| 02:52.27 | eldowan | what is the correct SATA driver for VIA VT8237A |
| 02:52.49 | pickcoder | Kevin`: I have digital out coming from my PC to my Onkyo DTS setup |
| 02:52.56 | pickcoder | nice and loud |
| 02:52.58 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:53.10 | squisher | pickcoder: that's the way to go :-) |
| 02:53.24 | mfrisch | rpc: you have two choices download the first cd and do the base install from it. or use the netinstall do no addons in tasksel. |
| 02:53.25 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, I think that "obexftp" can be used for that |
| 02:53.32 | jennam | i just have a $200 TDK speaker system with sub.. good enough |
| 02:53.38 | peterS | eldowan: sata_via, I think |
| 02:53.45 | squisher | pickcoder: what do you mean by 'use an external amp' though, it's not like you can get the analog output without amplifying, can you? |
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| 02:53.53 | rpc | mfrisch thank you very much - i will consider just a System then |
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| 02:54.08 | rpc | mfrisch even though all i tried was SQL and System |
| 02:54.10 | pickcoder | jennam: some of those kits have crappy amps(poor signal-to-noise ratios), but they sound O.K. for the $ |
| 02:54.14 | eldowan | peterS: OK. shivraj is trying to get the sata hdd detected to install debian on oftc. |
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| 02:54.32 | jennam | pickcoder, see, im not the type to get lossless audio for the hell of it :) sound is sound to me :) |
| 02:54.46 | rpc | mfrisch it tried to dselect textinfo, gnupg liblockfile1 and libldap2, that caused the warning |
| 02:54.53 | pickcoder | squisher: line out is low-voltage, but you still have a small amount of level control |
| 02:54.54 | james_ | hi |
| 02:54.58 | MikeMendez | hi |
| 02:55.24 | mfrisch | rpc: do nothing! system or anything that will install a very minimal base from there you can do a dist-upgrade to fetch the rest of the base. I had to create my sources.list |
| 02:55.30 | squisher | pickcoder: oh ok, that's true. That won't work for my 5.1 analog setup though, unfortunately... |
| 02:55.42 | pickcoder | jennam: to each their own.. I'm an audiophile to some extent |
| 02:55.51 | eldowan | james_: MikeMendez: hi |
| 02:55.52 | rpc | mfrisch oh that you mean, just no selection at all, ok - thank you very much, really helpful! |
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| 02:56.36 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, actually just tested that, apt-get install openobex-apps and use the command "irxfer". With no options it waits for a file and saves it |
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| 02:56.53 | MikeMendez | anyone know of a web based solution for administrating email accounts? |
| 02:57.19 | eldowan | MikeMendez: cpanel, apache, squirrelmail |
| 02:57.23 | Ronin | MikeMendez: guess that depends on the mta, i know of several for the q mta |
| 02:57.50 | MikeMendez | I'm not sure what we have installed, we installed all the packages during base config |
| 02:58.05 | Ronin | exim of some sort i suspect then |
| 02:58.06 | jennam | you probably have exim |
| 02:58.25 | mfrisch | Kevin`: you should have done some research before buying your wifi card anything that needs ndiswrapper is crap |
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| 02:58.38 | GhostlyDeath | I tried to build the stuff but... |
| 02:58.46 | Kevin` | mfrisch my wifi card does not need ndiswrapper |
| 02:58.53 | james_ | \form shanghai |
| 02:59.01 | Kevin` | mfrisch it uses this driver: http://hostap.epitest.fi/ |
| 02:59.02 | GhostlyDeath | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 02:59.04 | james_ | china |
| 02:59.09 | Kevin` | which is one of the most stable |
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| 02:59.33 | Kevin` | mfrisch nor can I use ndiswrapper anyway, since this is an ARM device |
| 02:59.35 | HomeRoey | hey all! |
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| 03:00.31 | mfrisch | Kevin`: I don' t understand why it would be trying to load firmware then |
| 03:00.47 | Kevin` | mfrisch because the card needs firmware |
| 03:00.55 | Kevin` | on the CARD ITSELF, not in linux |
| 03:01.02 | rpc | mfrisch changed my mind... will grab full cd1 :) hope that's all i need... |
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| 03:01.51 | GhostlyDeath | I can't get wireless working using these sources |
| 03:02.02 | GhostlyDeath | Is there an amd64 ieee80211 library? |
| 03:02.26 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath i'd assume so, as it's just source code |
| 03:02.34 | HomeRoey | question for you: I've plugged in a USB 2.0 multi-flash card reader and an sd card into that. Linux kernel detects it (well, it detects multiple devices... maybe they correspond to the different slots on the device?) , but (a) does not automount it and (b) when I try to mount it, I get "mount: No medium found". What gives?? |
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| 03:02.44 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 03:03.12 | eldowan | unseensoul: I see you |
| 03:03.14 | Kevin` | HomeRoey you mounted the one that corresponded to the card, and not one of the empty ones? |
| 03:03.21 | mfrisch | Kevin`: is this a pda or something? |
| 03:03.33 | unseensoul | eldowan, lol |
| 03:03.40 | HomeRoey | Kevin`: i've tried all of {sdd, sde, sdf, sdg} and all their partitions, and I get the same thing. |
| 03:03.41 | Kevin` | mfrisch yes, how observant :) |
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| 03:03.54 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: paste more info on a pastebin |
| 03:04.09 | HomeRoey | GhostlyDeath: hahahah nicenick |
| 03:04.18 | pickcoder | HomeRoey: do you have usbmgr installed? |
| 03:04.31 | HomeRoey | let me check |
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| 03:04.52 | pickcoder | you'll know because your pc speaker beeps when stuff is loaded and unloaded |
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| 03:05.09 | HomeRoey | pickcoder: it's not installed no |
| 03:05.20 | MikeMendez | since someone else is talking about wireless, is there a driver available for a WMP54G Linksys card? i have a spare and i wanna use that rather than my 10baseT usb nic |
| 03:05.24 | pickcoder | HomeRoey: what version of Debian? |
| 03:05.25 | HomeRoey | pickcoder: when I apt-get install it, it first warns me to know what i am doing (so I have not started ityet) |
| 03:05.28 | HomeRoey | pickcoder: sid |
| 03:05.29 | HomeRoey | amd64 |
| 03:05.38 | pickcoder | heh.. good luck |
| 03:05.49 | rpc | HomeRoey get Etch |
| 03:05.50 | pickcoder | I won't touch sid |
| 03:05.54 | HomeRoey | ok fine |
| 03:05.58 | mfrisch | Kevin`: you have any other choices of wifi card? |
| 03:05.58 | HomeRoey | it wnats to remove sysvinit. |
| 03:06.00 | HomeRoey | wtf. |
| 03:06.04 | rpc | HomeRoey i run amd64 and i have choosen Etch 32 for it |
| 03:06.07 | pickcoder | HomeRoey: sid is completely unstable |
| 03:06.16 | pickcoder | stuff breaks |
| 03:06.20 | Kevin` | mfrisch no |
| 03:06.22 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/348361 |
| 03:06.25 | HomeRoey | pickcoder: well usb here has been broken forever now. |
| 03:06.32 | HomeRoey | at least I can mount my external hard drive |
| 03:06.35 | HomeRoey | but nothing else!!! |
| 03:06.35 | Kevin` | mfrisch this card used to work, with different linux, so I know it's possible |
| 03:06.42 | pickcoder | I have no problems with USB mass storage on Etch |
| 03:06.45 | Kevin` | mfrisch and it will work if I connect it to a larger box |
| 03:07.06 | pickcoder | HomeRoey: if I had a box running it here, I may could help you. |
| 03:07.27 | GhostlyDeath | any suggestions? |
| 03:07.28 | mfrisch | Kevin`: but the other box isn't arm...what worked with it? |
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| 03:07.53 | HomeRoey | pickcoder: thank you |
| 03:08.18 | Kevin` | mfrisch it was a normal x86 laptop. openzaurus and pdaxrom worked |
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| 03:08.30 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: did you install module-assistant? |
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| 03:09.54 | GhostlyDeath | pickcoder: no.. |
| 03:10.00 | pickcoder | install it |
| 03:10.07 | pickcoder | it will help you build kernel modules and install them |
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| 03:11.21 | pickcoder | run m-a when it's installed and choose "update" and then "prepare" |
| 03:11.36 | pickcoder | select should let you select the ieee80211 stack module |
| 03:11.52 | GhostlyDeath | m-a? |
| 03:12.00 | Ronin | !m-a |
| 03:12.00 | pickcoder | m-a is a shortcut for module-assistant |
| 03:12.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 03:12.19 | eldowan | Ronin: when did we start listening to rumors? |
| 03:12.28 | pickcoder | gah.. I hate that word.. shortcut |
| 03:12.35 | GhostlyDeath | could not lock |
| 03:12.49 | Ronin | eldowan: ? |
| 03:12.55 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: you need to be root to use apt and m-a |
| 03:13.03 | eldowan | <Ronin> !m-a |
| 03:13.03 | eldowan | [21:12] <dpkg> rumour has it, module-assistant |
| 03:13.04 | GhostlyDeath | eh, spm was open |
| 03:13.09 | pickcoder | oh |
| 03:13.15 | GhostlyDeath | Downloading linux headers |
| 03:13.21 | Ronin | ahh |
| 03:13.49 | GhostlyDeath | DOwnloading kernel headers |
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| 03:14.41 | Ronin | downing beer |
| 03:14.47 | Malf | mm |
| 03:14.50 | pickcoder | !beer dpkg |
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| 03:15.25 | GhostlyDeath | it's done |
| 03:15.30 | GhostlyDeath | exit then make the ieee? |
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| 03:15.50 | liable | yay, theres a driver for the 3945 card that doesnt need the stupid daemon :) |
| 03:15.55 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: go into "select" and select the ieee80211 |
| 03:16.09 | GhostlyDeath | then press ok? |
| 03:16.11 | GhostlyDeath | or add more? |
| 03:16.20 | pickcoder | whatever you want to build and install |
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| 03:16.37 | GhostlyDeath | how do I ad ipw3945 to the list? |
| 03:16.43 | pickcoder | scroll down with arrow |
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| 03:16.55 | GhostlyDeath | ipw2200 but the one I'm looking for isn't ther |
| 03:17.12 | GhostlyDeath | ipw3945-1.2.0 |
| 03:17.13 | pickcoder | if it's not there, then you'll have to see if it's available as a package |
| 03:17.19 | pickcoder | and install it |
| 03:17.27 | GhostlyDeath | Can I build it from the tgz? |
| 03:17.30 | pickcoder | spca5xx is an example |
| 03:17.37 | liable | GhostlyDeath: its packaged now |
| 03:17.42 | liable | ipw3945-source |
| 03:17.58 | liable | install it with module assistant |
| 03:18.36 | liable | also see, http://intellinuxwireless.org/?p=iwlwifi |
| 03:18.41 | pickcoder | liable: it'll have to be downloaded manually if m-a doesn't find it when you update |
| 03:19.05 | liable | update what? |
| 03:19.13 | pickcoder | "update" from the menu |
| 03:19.16 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/348370 |
| 03:19.17 | GhostlyDeath | failed |
| 03:19.25 | liable | from which menu? |
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| 03:19.39 | pickcoder | liable: never mind |
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| 03:20.09 | jonpo | hello. how can i divide network traffic? ie torrents & http go to eth0 and lan traffic goes to eth1? |
| 03:20.39 | eldowan | jonpo: iptables |
| 03:20.40 | GhostlyDeath | eh |
| 03:20.54 | GhostlyDeath | Guess I'll just switch to windows for wireless internet then |
| 03:21.05 | LunarCrisis | eldowan, I think my questions are answered, thanks |
| 03:21.12 | eldowan | LunarCrisis: :D |
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| 03:21.17 | crm_ | hi hi |
| 03:21.24 | crm_ | what package is configure in? |
| 03:21.26 | Malf | ahh the power of poor driver support ftw |
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| 03:21.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: What driver are you trying to build? |
| 03:21.42 | liable | GhostlyDeath: why arent you using the packaged source? |
| 03:21.42 | GhostlyDeath | ieee80211 |
| 03:21.46 | eldowan | Malf: what is ftw? |
| 03:21.48 | jonpo | eldowan: can you elaborate how? |
| 03:21.49 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: and are you running testing or unstable? |
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| 03:21.55 | amphi | !ftw |
| 03:21.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftw is fuck the world. For The Win |
| 03:21.57 | GhostlyDeath | the etch Debian |
| 03:21.57 | liable | GhostlyDeath: you dont need to patch the kernel then.. |
| 03:22.05 | JeffH | has Sid been released yet? |
| 03:22.08 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: ieee80211 isn't a wireless driver in itself; it's a framework for drivers to use |
| 03:22.14 | liable | just 'apt-get install ipw3945-source' |
| 03:22.17 | Malf | eldowan: free thai warriors. A movement I'm starting since everyone gave up on that free tibet stuff |
| 03:22.23 | JeffH | oops.. sorry.. I mean etch. |
| 03:22.27 | liable | m-a a-i ipw3945-source |
| 03:22.31 | Malf | eldowan: although it's more of a sales pitch than a movement really |
| 03:22.33 | eldowan | jonpo: using iptables, the debian firewall, you can tell the kernel what to do with certain types of packets. |
| 03:22.41 | eldowan | Malf: mmm thai food. :D |
| 03:22.47 | Malf | rofl |
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| 03:23.05 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Anyway, kernel 2.6.18-3 has been superseded by 2.6.18-4... the transition happened in unstable last week, and it's probably just now propagating into testing |
| 03:23.26 | GhostlyDeath | I downloaded linux a few hours ago and installed it |
| 03:23.43 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: follow liable's instructions |
| 03:24.26 | undesktop | deinstall it again, Linux sucks... but once you get dependant, you'll have to stick to it |
| 03:24.44 | pickcoder | I just compiled and installed ipw3945 on 2.6.18-3 |
| 03:24.57 | JeffH | I haven't found anything yet with Linux that would make me dependent. |
| 03:25.24 | pickcoder | JeffH: I'm hookd on iptables |
| 03:25.29 | Wyzard | pickcoder: The problem is that the 2.6.18-3 packages are being removed in favor of 2.6.18-4, so things that depend on 2.6.18-3 will have unmet dependencies |
| 03:25.42 | MikeMendez | i installed courier with the courier webadmin, how do i access the webadmin? |
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| 03:25.58 | Guerin | i'm not dependent upon linux, but I am dependent upon gnu |
| 03:26.04 | JeffH | pickcoder: really? Do you have a life? |
| 03:26.06 | pickcoder | Wyzard: I have yet to see a forced upgrade on my kernel |
| 03:26.08 | Kevin` | JeffH embedded using windows would be painful, but I suppose you don't do that? :) |
| 03:26.15 | pickcoder | JeffH: more than you know.. |
| 03:26.55 | JeffH | Kevin: indeed. |
| 03:27.02 | GhostlyDeath | liable: I downloaded the firmware |
| 03:27.06 | GhostlyDeath | binaries |
| 03:27.16 | GhostlyDeath | firmware-ipw3945 |
| 03:27.20 | JeffH | I'm seriously considering a Mac for my next computer. |
| 03:27.22 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I ran into it last week in sid, when I tried installing linux-image-2.6-686 but couldn't because it depended on linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 which was no longer available |
| 03:27.23 | liable | GhostlyDeath: you need the source package too |
| 03:27.42 | Kevin` | mac makes rather nice computer, even if they are expensive. and they can run linux :) |
| 03:27.42 | liable | GhostlyDeath: and install 'module-assistant' |
| 03:27.49 | Wyzard | pickcoder: It was easy to work around, just install linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 directly, but GhostlyDeath might have a similar case of a dependency that hasn't been updated yet |
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| 03:28.06 | JeffH | Why in the world would you bother to run Linux on a mac? |
| 03:28.17 | Kevin` | JeffH because I like linux more then osx |
| 03:28.24 | MikeMendez | lol |
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| 03:28.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: That firmware gets used by the ipw3945 driver, which is a kernel module |
| 03:28.42 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I Don't use 686 |
| 03:28.47 | icicled | JeffH, get a PC laptop that has hardware that is OS X compatible, then just install OS X on it, take a look @ http://wiki.osx86project.org/ |
| 03:28.49 | JeffH | unfortunately I'm gonna have to use parallel if I do get a mac. |
| 03:28.55 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: What do you use?\ |
| 03:29.07 | Malf | rofl |
| 03:29.09 | GhostlyDeath | amd64 |
| 03:29.14 | Malf | parallel ftw |
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| 03:29.29 | Malf | If we can free thai warriors in parallel... |
| 03:29.33 | GhostlyDeath | well, that what debian decided to do |
| 03:29.38 | TheZanke | I got a Q... |
| 03:29.46 | GhostlyDeath | I got an Intel Core 2 Duo |
| 03:29.47 | icicled | i might have an A... |
| 03:29.48 | eldowan | TheZanke: looking for an A? |
| 03:29.53 | GhostlyDeath | has x86_64 |
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| 03:30.03 | Malf | Is there an f? |
| 03:30.06 | TheZanke | eldowan: indeed |
| 03:30.11 | eldowan | Malf: go fish |
| 03:30.12 | icicled | all recent processors have x86_64 extensions |
| 03:30.26 | GhostlyDeath | how do I disable the touch pad click? |
| 03:30.30 | eldowan | icicled: the G5? |
| 03:30.36 | Malf | With a hammer? |
| 03:30.41 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: a hammer |
| 03:30.42 | icicled | g5 is not recent!? |
| 03:30.44 | pickcoder | doh |
| 03:30.57 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: If you're running 64-bit Debian then you'll be using "-amd64" kernels... if you're running 32-bit then use "-686" |
| 03:31.00 | pickcoder | touch pads are evil devices |
| 03:31.05 | eldowan | icicled: in the grand scheme of things, teh 8088 is recent. :D |
| 03:31.10 | icicled | hah |
| 03:31.16 | pickcoder | I spent the past 3 days cursing a Toshiba |
| 03:31.16 | TheZanke | I have been using ubuntu but my system crashed... So I went and downloaded both debian dvds but it seems that my sources.list is WAY out of date |
| 03:31.22 | GhostlyDeath | But ther are no amd64 ipw3945 yet |
| 03:31.28 | rpc | why would apt-get (Etch) say that it cannot verify public key? |
| 03:31.30 | pickcoder | trying to edit code with my cursor popping around randomly while typing |
| 03:31.32 | GhostlyDeath | Should I wait until they are released? |
| 03:31.33 | TheZanke | like it doesnt even have the new wireshark on it or anything |
| 03:31.36 | icicled | rpc, b/c it can't ? |
| 03:31.46 | icicled | silly foo |
| 03:31.48 | Kevin` | TheZanke did you install etch or sarge? |
| 03:31.52 | rpc | icicled and what can i do about it? it says the key is missing |
| 03:31.53 | GeorgeS069 | My touchpad works great |
| 03:31.55 | liable | GhostlyDeath: just use 32bit linux, unless you have a good reason to use 64 |
| 03:32.00 | icicled | get the pub key and then install it |
| 03:32.07 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Yes there is... I'm running amd64 Debian and "apt-cache search 3945" turns up a bunch of precompiled "ipw3945-modules" packages |
| 03:32.08 | rpc | icicled hm |
| 03:32.21 | rpc | icicled what is the best place to get a 100% sure public key? |
| 03:32.27 | TheZanke | Kevin`: The one on their main download page.. I dont remember, I am on it right now how do I check again? |
| 03:32.34 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Install the ipw3945-modules package that corresponds to your kernel, and you don't need to compile the driver at all |
| 03:32.34 | icicled | debian.org :) |
| 03:32.35 | eldowan | rpc: check your local hardware store |
| 03:32.37 | gentgeen__ | pickcoder, don't you know good typing practices have your wrists floating, not touching anything |
| 03:32.41 | Malf | switch to voice-activated writing and code with that! |
| 03:32.42 | Guerin | rpc: i can give you one. It's 100% sure to be the one I give you. |
| 03:32.46 | icicled | rpc, take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt |
| 03:32.47 | rpc | eldowan lol |
| 03:32.50 | Kevin` | TheZanke dunno actually. I usually remember what I installed |
| 03:32.54 | rpc | icicled thank you, that's what i need :) |
| 03:33.04 | icicled | np |
| 03:33.05 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: that turns up nothing for me |
| 03:33.08 | rpc | Guerin i will think it over but thanks :) |
| 03:33.17 | TheZanke | Kevin`: You have a better memory then i do.. :-D |
| 03:33.29 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You're running 64-bit testing, right? |
| 03:33.31 | pickcoder | gentgeen__: that's the funny thing.. I don't rest my wrists. |
| 03:33.34 | Malf | if space open parenthesis x space equal sign equal sign space five close parenthesis |
| 03:33.41 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, you did enable contrib and non-free as per discussed beofre right? |
| 03:33.41 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: I think |
| 03:33.47 | GhostlyDeath | How do you? |
| 03:33.52 | Malf | I can't use laptops for the life of me either |
| 03:33.54 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ipw3945-modules&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 03:33.57 | Malf | I'm always hitting the pad somehow or another |
| 03:33.59 | Malf | even with my shirt |
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| 03:34.12 | amphi | Malf: I disabled my pad in the bios |
| 03:34.19 | Malf | good call |
| 03:34.22 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: The packages are in the "contrib" section of Debian... you might need to add that to your sources.list |
| 03:34.25 | gentgeen__ | pickcoder, you must have one of those new touchpads, that work in 3d space :-) |
| 03:34.31 | Malf | stick it to the pad right off the bat |
| 03:34.35 | GeorgeS069 | mine just has a little button to click it on and off |
| 03:34.43 | GhostlyDeath | What's the URL to it? |
| 03:34.49 | GhostlyDeath | what line do I add? |
| 03:34.58 | fsmunoz | GhostlyDeath, again with that? |
| 03:34.58 | pickcoder | gentgeen__: yeah.. unfortunately non of my editing application support 3D text editing |
| 03:35.11 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: At the end of each of your source lines, where it says "main", add "contrib" and (optionally) "non-free" |
| 03:35.19 | Malf | pickcoder: You don't have vim installed? |
| 03:35.21 | icicled | GhostlyDeath, d/l the pkg adn then just dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 03:35.23 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Then do "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" |
| 03:35.32 | icicled | :P |
| 03:35.33 | TheZanke | Anyone know how to check my system version due to my memory lapse? |
| 03:35.43 | Wyzard | icicled: He won't get updates for it that way |
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| 03:35.53 | GhostlyDeath | oh |
| 03:35.55 | icicled | yes, but its an easy fix :P |
| 03:36.07 | Wyzard | icicled: Yes, the fix is putting it in sources.list :-) |
| 03:36.09 | GhostlyDeath | I just edited the debian thing under spm and I got tons of contrib |
| 03:36.12 | gentgeen__ | TheZanke, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:36.12 | icicled | :) |
| 03:36.14 | GhostlyDeath | It's * on the list |
| 03:36.30 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I don't understand that statement... "it's * on the list" ? |
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| 03:36.39 | Wyzard | and "spm" ? |
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| 03:36.43 | GhostlyDeath | It has a star on the icon |
| 03:36.49 | GhostlyDeath | Downloading via Synaptic PM |
| 03:36.54 | hark | must be synapti or something |
| 03:36.54 | Wyzard | ah, synaptic |
| 03:36.57 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:37.03 | GhostlyDeath | I chose the firmware |
| 03:37.08 | GhostlyDeath | the d and the modules |
| 03:37.15 | GhostlyDeath | That enough |
| 03:37.25 | TheZanke | gentgeen__: just says 3.1 |
| 03:37.30 | Wyzard | You also need ipw3945d |
| 03:37.38 | Wyzard | though that may be installed automatically as a dependency of the others |
| 03:37.41 | GhostlyDeath | got that |
| 03:37.45 | hark | !ip3945 |
| 03:37.50 | GhostlyDeath | I had to choose it myself |
| 03:37.52 | Wyzard | That should be all you need, then |
| 03:38.00 | gentgeen__ | TheZanke, Pretty sure that is "Stable" then |
| 03:38.02 | liable | shit, i didnt know they have made module packages for 3945.. |
| 03:38.05 | GhostlyDeath | Then use the KDE Wireless thingy under GNOME? |
| 03:38.06 | Wyzard | (note that I've never used a 3945 myself, though, so I'm not absolutely certain) |
| 03:38.08 | gentgeen__ | that is what my stable box returns |
| 03:38.25 | TheZanke | gentgeen__: so sarge or etch |
| 03:38.27 | Guerin | 3945 works under l00nix, with an evil firmware blob |
| 03:38.30 | GhostlyDeath | KWiFiManager? |
| 03:38.31 | gentgeen__ | my Etch box returns 4.0 |
| 03:38.35 | hark | !ipw3945 |
| 03:38.36 | dpkg | [ipw3945] http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
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| 03:38.37 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Use network-manager with network-manager-gnome |
| 03:38.39 | Guerin | though I never have used one either |
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| 03:38.47 | gentgeen__ | TheZanke, staple = sarge testing = etch |
| 03:38.56 | TheZanke | Kevin`: I am pretty sure i am Sarge |
| 03:39.15 | liable | Guerin: they have just released a new driver, still has firmware, but at least doesnt need the retarded daemon |
| 03:39.16 | GhostlyDeath | stable* ? |
| 03:39.20 | Malf | Kevin`: I am pretty sure he is TheZanke |
| 03:39.27 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: After you install network-manager, open up /etc/network/interfaces and comment out the entries for any eth* interfaces... network-manager ignores interfaces that are configured there |
| 03:39.29 | amphi | TheZanke: 3.1 is sarge/stable |
| 03:39.38 | Kevin` | TheZanke that would explain why the packages are old, I use etch |
| 03:39.53 | GhostlyDeath | is that network settings? |
| 03:40.04 | GhostlyDeath | DEsktop - > Admin -> Networking? |
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| 03:40.12 | Guerin | liable: huzzah! |
| 03:40.13 | xerophyte | is there anyway you can recover data from a corrupted drive ? |
| 03:40.28 | Kevin` | xerophyte how did it get corrupted? |
| 03:40.33 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I'm talking about editing a file in a text editor... it might be possible to remove those entries with the GUI frontend, but I don't use it so I don't know |
| 03:40.46 | amphi | liable: intel released a daemonless driver? |
| 03:40.52 | TheZanke | Kevin`, I know there is a way to apt-get dist-upgrade into etch then... what do i have to add to sources.list |
| 03:41.17 | liable | amphi: http://intellinuxwireless.org |
| 03:41.21 | Kevin` | TheZanke change "sarge" or "stable" to etch |
| 03:41.23 | amphi | liable: ta |
| 03:41.24 | xerophyte | Kevin`, it was backup drive all the sudden i am not able to mount or run fsck |
| 03:42.09 | Kevin` | xerophyte "all of a sudden"? i'd run a SMART check on it, do your backups to another device if it's broken |
| 03:42.16 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.22 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/348400 |
| 03:42.28 | GhostlyDeath | coment the auto eth? |
| 03:42.33 | undesktop | you could try to copy any living with dd_rescue |
| 03:42.39 | undesktop | oh great load average at 3.55 |
| 03:43.02 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Comment out "allow-hotplug eth0", and the "iface" and "auto" lines for eth0 and eth1 |
| 03:43.17 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 03:43.22 | GhostlyDeath | start network manager? |
| 03:43.23 | siimo | how good is support for wireless these days anyway? |
| 03:43.40 | liable | depends entirely on the card |
| 03:43.50 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: If you've installed it it's probably already running, but you'll need to restart it so that it recognizes eth0 and eth1 now |
| 03:43.53 | Supaplex | works better then 99 monkeys on the keyboard |
| 03:43.56 | GhostlyDeath | eth0 and eth1 are not configured |
| 03:43.58 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart |
| 03:44.12 | siimo | so its not as reliable as wired... cos with wired every card/chipset ive come across just works without any fiddling |
| 03:44.26 | MikeMendez | I can't remember, how can i enable root login for gnome/kde |
| 03:44.32 | undesktop | changing the window... waiting till it loaded all the garbage from the swap... |
| 03:44.35 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 03:44.37 | GhostlyDeath | restarted |
| 03:44.38 | undesktop | these times I love using Linux |
| 03:45.01 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Are you logged into GNOME already? |
| 03:45.11 | GhostlyDeath | I typed in that command |
| 03:45.17 | GhostlyDeath | DO I need to restart my PC? |
| 03:45.20 | MikeMendez | i'm logged into KDE |
| 03:45.24 | GhostlyDeath | I did everything logged in |
| 03:45.25 | MikeMendez | as a regular user |
| 03:45.26 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: No, you shouldn't need to restart the whole computer |
| 03:45.36 | MikeMendez | oh sorry |
| 03:45.40 | GhostlyDeath | After I did that command |
| 03:45.41 | HAL9003 | is "::1" a proper IPv6 host for loopback? |
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| 03:45.46 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Press Alt-F2 to get a Run box, and run "nm-applet" -- that's NetworkManager's GNOME status icon |
| 03:45.47 | GhostlyDeath | the Ethernet Connection started animating |
| 03:45.57 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: On future logins it should launch automatically |
| 03:46.10 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: ...or maybe you have nm-applet running already |
| 03:46.13 | GhostlyDeath | Now I have 2 plugs |
| 03:46.21 | PrMoriarty | is debian execellent for a firewall? |
| 03:46.28 | Malf | rofl |
| 03:46.44 | GhostlyDeath | How do I remove one? |
| 03:46.45 | GhostlyDeath | kill? |
| 03:46.52 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: This is in the icon area near the clock, in the upper-right corner of the screen, right? |
| 03:47.00 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 03:47.01 | GhostlyDeath | 2 of them |
| 03:47.02 | Supaplex | PrMoriarty: why yes. |
| 03:47.15 | Supaplex | it's like asking if windows is execellent for blue screens. |
| 03:47.17 | Kevin` | PrMoriarty it works ok. if your JUST doing a firewall you might use something smaller, but if that doesn't matter debian is fine |
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| 03:47.22 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: OK, yeah, you have two nm-applets running now :-) |
| 03:47.28 | GhostlyDeath | killall? |
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| 03:47.33 | GhostlyDeath | then launch just 1? |
| 03:47.39 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: If you know how to kill things by pid, you can just do that, or you can "killall nm-applet" to kill both and then start another one |
| 03:47.52 | GhostlyDeath | gnome power manager died =/ |
| 03:48.05 | Supaplex | !rip gnome |
| 03:48.06 | timthelion | anyone know why I can't debootstrap sarge? http://rafb.net/p/TxUDYn65.html |
| 03:48.12 | GhostlyDeath | ok, I got it to just 1 |
| 03:48.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: OK, so NM is now managing your wired connection |
| 03:48.53 | GhostlyDeath | Only my wired connecdtion |
| 03:49.50 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Left-click on that icon and you'll get a popup menu for choosing a network interface... if your wireless is working at this point, you should see a list of available wireless networks in there |
| 03:49.50 | Supaplex | timthelion: nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list to |
| 03:49.50 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 03:49.50 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: but don't click on one yet, because that'll disconnect you from IRC :-) |
| 03:50.01 | GhostlyDeath | I shut off and turned my card back on |
| 03:50.15 | GhostlyDeath | but it still says Wired Connection |
| 03:50.15 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: No list of wireless networks? |
| 03:50.18 | GhostlyDeath | nope |
| 03:50.27 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: OK, open a shell, and run "iwlist scan" as root |
| 03:50.46 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: See if you get a list of wireless networks, or just a bunch of interfaces saying "no wireless extensions" |
| 03:50.49 | undesktop | oh how I love --force-all |
| 03:50.51 | timthelion | Supaplex, http://rafb.net/p/UMPHnk74.html |
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| 03:50.59 | GhostlyDeath | lo, eth1, eth2 and sit0 say: "Interface doesn't support scanning." |
| 03:51.01 | PrMoriarty | OK for debian firewall because i have some times and i heard a good sound about openbsd |
| 03:51.13 | PrMoriarty | but i dont want to overkill it lol |
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| 03:51.31 | PrMoriarty | maybe debian is more easy to configure as a firewall than an openbsd |
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| 03:51.43 | PrMoriarty | packetfilter i heard for openbsd |
| 03:51.44 | GhostlyDeath | firmware-ipw3945, ipw3945d, blah blah... modules 2.6.18-3-amd64 and the vserver also |
| 03:51.52 | GhostlyDeath | That what I installed |
| 03:51.53 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: lsmod | grep 3945 |
| 03:52.03 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Most likely you don't have the module loaded |
| 03:52.06 | Supaplex | timthelion: testing is etch |
| 03:52.11 | GhostlyDeath | did it |
| 03:52.18 | GhostlyDeath | nothing printed |
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| 03:52.26 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: OK, try "modprobe ipw3945" as root |
| 03:52.33 | timthelion | Supaplex, I didn't make that file base-config did, should I change it to sarge? |
| 03:52.36 | rpc | which is better: xinetd or inetd (for a server) |
| 03:52.41 | rpc | ? |
| 03:52.46 | kb__ | PrMoriarty: I've found freebsd to be easier to use as a firewall than linux, but ymmv |
| 03:52.46 | GhostlyDeath | FATAL: Error inserting ipw3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/contrib/ipw3945/ipw3 945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 03:52.59 | PrMoriarty | freebsd hmm |
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| 03:53.18 | cast | hey guys, i have a slight problem. during times of high [disk, it seems] load in x when i'm typing i get keyyyyyyyyyys repeating even though i've only pushed them once. i can fix that via changing the length of time you have to hold the key down before it repeats in xorg.conf, but then that messes up normal use as well, rather annoying. anyone else had this problem? |
| 03:53.25 | rpc | freebsd is not only better for that... it's more secure :) |
| 03:53.26 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: OK, I dunno about that one... but run "dmesg" as root and see if there's any more information there |
| 03:53.44 | GhostlyDeath | I'm doing this all from the root console in GNOME |
| 03:53.45 | undesktop | why doesn't Debian Samba respect PRIVATE_DIR? |
| 03:54.02 | kb__ | cast: I get the order of keys inverted in strange ways under load too; tell me if you find a solution |
| 03:54.11 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: It doesn't matter that you're logged into GNOME... the driver doesn't care about that |
| 03:54.31 | Guerin | undesktop: if it's tru, and you get no answer in here, I recommend you ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 03:54.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I only asked about that because I thought you needed to launch nm-applet manually |
| 03:54.41 | GhostlyDeath | I got a ton of unknown symbols though |
| 03:54.44 | btiffin | When I plug my Sony Walkman NW-E003F to be charged off the USB port, Debian Etch RC 1 bootup hangs early on savedefault. Do I need to report this? I'm having a tought time searching the debian bugs. |
| 03:54.46 | GhostlyDeath | ieee80211 |
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| 03:54.58 | PrMoriarty | ok so for a server WEB if you can choose you prefer a debian or an BSD os? |
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| 03:55.09 | undesktop | Guerin: well, there's an old bug report, but I tried it with 3 versions now... |
| 03:55.16 | Guerin | PrMoriarty: that's a stupid question to ask in here. |
| 03:55.21 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Run "depmod -ae" as root |
| 03:55.31 | GhostlyDeath | done |
| 03:55.32 | PrMoriarty | so what is usual? |
| 03:55.36 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: That's supposed to happen automatically when modules get installed, but maybe it didn't in this case |
| 03:55.39 | GhostlyDeath | no printout |
| 03:55.48 | timthelion | Supaplex, I should change it to "stable" right? |
| 03:55.51 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: OK, good... try modprobing ipw3945 again |
| 03:55.59 | eldowan | what kernel does etch rc1 provide? |
| 03:55.59 | PrMoriarty | i don t havbe any experience of it that s why i ask |
| 03:56.09 | GhostlyDeath | same |
| 03:56.31 | GhostlyDeath | I think I need the ieee80211 installed |
| 03:56.39 | GhostlyDeath | it's complaining about missing symbols |
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| 03:56.53 | GhostlyDeath | all with "ieee80211" in them |
| 03:57.06 | Supaplex | timthelion: yes. you'll want to move/remove the old directory you were installing at. |
| 03:57.21 | btiffin | eldowan; 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 03:57.40 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: afaik, the ieee80211 stuff is actually built into the kernel, and the packaged one is just a newer version |
| 03:57.45 | timthelion | Supaplex, what do you mean, the old directory I was installing debootstrapt to? |
| 03:57.47 | btiffin | eldowan; That kernel came through auto update |
| 03:57.53 | eldowan | btiffin: thanks. |
| 03:58.05 | eldowan | what is the kernel the installer uses during install time? |
| 03:58.05 | GhostlyDeath | Update the kernal? |
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| 03:58.16 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: but I doubt the ipw3945 driver depends on that newer version, or it'd have declared a dependency on it... and FWIW, my laptop has an ipw2200 that works fine without the ieee80211 packages |
| 03:58.18 | Supaplex | timthelion: debootstrap foo/ |
| 03:58.32 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You're already running a pretty recent kernel |
| 03:58.39 | btiffin | eldowan; Ummm...It's been a while. Where do I look? Or do I boot up the CD again? |
| 03:58.46 | timthelion | Supaplex, you mean I have to start all over again? |
| 03:58.52 | GhostlyDeath | Should I restart and hope for the better? |
| 03:59.05 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: did you try modprobe ieee80211 before loading the card driver? |
| 03:59.11 | timthelion | I am sure I did not do anything wrong up to this point |
| 03:59.14 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: If you want, but I doubt it'd make a difference |
| 03:59.16 | GhostlyDeath | noone told me to do that |
| 03:59.23 | Wyzard | pickcoder: Shouldn't modprobe load it automatically if it's needed? |
| 03:59.26 | Supaplex | timthelion: you're tree to try it the hardway. :) |
| 03:59.26 | xerophyte | Kevin`, http://pastebin.ca/348411 sorry for the delay |
| 03:59.27 | GhostlyDeath | not found |
| 03:59.30 | Supaplex | tree/free/ |
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| 03:59.36 | pickcoder | Wyzard: it _should_ |
| 03:59.40 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Try "ps -ef | grep 3945" to see whether that daemon is running |
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| 03:59.55 | Kevin` | xerophyte hm, that doesn't look good |
| 04:00.00 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I wonder if the module depends on the daemon to the extent that it won't even load without the daemon running |
| 04:00.09 | GhostlyDeath | root 14047 9175 0 22:59 pts/2 00:00:00 grep 3945 |
| 04:00.17 | liable | Wyzard: nah, the module usually loads the daemon |
| 04:00.28 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: (Here's where I run into a limitation, because I've never actually used a 3945, only a 2200 which has no userspace daemon) |
| 04:00.29 | xerophyte | Kevin`, there is no way i can recover ?? |
| 04:00.34 | liable | Wyzard: i think he has a 64 kernel, and theres no module packages for them |
| 04:00.50 | Wyzard | liable: He's already installed ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 04:00.53 | GhostlyDeath | There is no ieee80211 for my arch |
| 04:00.57 | timthelion | Supaplex, debbotstrap /mnt gives me usage info |
| 04:01.17 | Kevin` | xerophyte if this is a usb hard drive, try attaching the internal hard drive directly to a computer with ide, you can get more useful information then through the usb controller |
| 04:01.20 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: There are no ieee80211 packages in testing at all, only in unstable... which is why I doubt the 3945 depends on that |
| 04:01.25 | Supaplex | timthelion: I don't have it installed, but I do know you have to provide a destination directory. |
| 04:01.25 | undesktop | LOL... since hours, I'm trying to get this Samba to work on Debian... can't be that this PRIVATE_DIR issue isn't fixed yet? |
| 04:01.28 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: If it does, it's a bug in the 3945 packages |
| 04:01.43 | eldowan | Wyzard: karsten: take it easy over te weekend |
| 04:01.44 | GhostlyDeath | On the side note |
| 04:01.52 | GhostlyDeath | How do I disabled the Synaptic Touch Pad clicking? |
| 04:02.07 | xerophyte | Kevin`, actually it was main drive and we are not able to reboot so we place new drive and installed os and rebooted and connected the drive with usb |
| 04:02.08 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: I have an ieee80211 kernel for 2.6.18-3 on my amd64 box |
| 04:02.11 | GhostlyDeath | WHen you tap the pad, I don't want it to click |
| 04:02.12 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: dunno offhand, I like it enabled so I've never looked into disabling it |
| 04:02.21 | pickcoder | s/kernel/module |
| 04:02.36 | pickcoder | ./kernel/net/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko |
| 04:02.41 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Try "/etc/init.d/ipw3945d start" to start the daemon... see if it starts successfully, and then see if you can load the module after that |
| 04:03.11 | Wyzard | I have that module too... like I said, the kernel has its own built-in ieee80211 |
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| 04:03.13 | GhostlyDeath | nothing so far |
| 04:03.26 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Actually, that's a good point... see if "modprobe ieee80211" works |
| 04:03.39 | GhostlyDeath | * Not starting ipw3945 regulatory daemon, driver not loaded. |
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| 04:03.59 | GhostlyDeath | module not found Wyzard |
| 04:04.06 | Wyzard | OK, so the daemon wants the module loaded first, so we can disregard the daemon |
| 04:04.07 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 04:04.25 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: uname -r |
| 04:04.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: cd /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/kernel/net/ieee80211 |
| 04:04.33 | btiffin | eldowan; The initial kernel was 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 04:05.27 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: Im inside |
| 04:05.36 | GhostlyDeath | dir only says "softmac" |
| 04:05.40 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 04:05.56 | GhostlyDeath | inside is |
| 04:06.04 | GhostlyDeath | ieee80211softmac.ko |
| 04:06.35 | Wyzard | There should be several .ko files in the ieee80211 directory, including ieee80211.ko which is the one your ipw3945 driver needs |
| 04:06.55 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: uname -r |
| 04:06.55 | Wyzard | This is a standard Debian precompiled kernel, right? Not something custom-compiled? |
| 04:06.58 | GhostlyDeath | no *.ko files exist |
| 04:07.09 | GhostlyDeath | "2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 04:07.09 | GhostlyDeath | " |
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| 04:07.16 | pickcoder | that's odd |
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| 04:07.33 | Wyzard | Something's wrong with your installation of the linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 package |
| 04:07.47 | Wyzard | It does contain those files -- I just checked the online package database |
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| 04:08.49 | Wyzard | Try "apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64" |
| 04:08.49 | GhostlyDeath | Can i resinstall via synaptic pm? |
| 04:08.50 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: Nothing in /lib/modules/? |
| 04:08.50 | Wyzard | not sure |
| 04:08.50 | Wyzard | It'd be simpiler to just run that command from a root shell |
| 04:08.50 | GhostlyDeath | 2.6.18-3-amd64 2.6.18-3-vserver-amd64 2.6.18-3-xen-amd64 2.6.18-3-xen-vserver-amd64 |
| 04:09.06 | Wyzard | Ignore the vserver and xen kernels |
| 04:09.12 | Wyzard | Those are for virtualized servers |
| 04:09.29 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:09.34 | sparr | my apps are responding very slowly, and i hear my hard drive(s) thrashing. top says nothing is using a lot of cpu time, so i assume paging is at fault. how can i find the app/process responsible for the problem? |
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| 04:10.04 | GhostlyDeath | the kernel is being unpacked |
| 04:10.12 | GhostlyDeath | now it's done |
| 04:10.13 | Supaplex | sparr: M sorts by memory usage. |
| 04:10.27 | GhostlyDeath | pickcoder: 4.0 |
| 04:10.40 | pickcoder | ok.. just making sure it's Etch |
| 04:10.50 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: cd /lib/modules-2.6.18-3-amd64/kernel/net/iee80211 again |
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| 04:11.00 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: and see if ieee80211.ko is there |
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| 04:11.24 | bucky | sparr, top and Shift + m |
| 04:12.01 | GhostlyDeath | does not exist(?) |
| 04:12.35 | GhostlyDeath | no such file or directory? |
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| 04:12.52 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: have you ever run "apt-get clean"? |
| 04:12.52 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: oops, typo... /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-amd64/kernel/net/iee80211 |
| 04:13.07 | zoghome | my etch rc1 installer CD just started hanging with "do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway" when the same install procedure and CD worked last week, any ideas? |
| 04:13.10 | GhostlyDeath | ieee* |
| 04:13.16 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 04:13.18 | GhostlyDeath | 6 KOS |
| 04:13.24 | GhostlyDeath | with crpyt on them |
| 04:13.34 | GhostlyDeath | i mean |
| 04:13.35 | GhostlyDeath | ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.ko ieee80211_crypt_tkip.ko ieee80211.ko |
| 04:13.35 | GhostlyDeath | ieee80211_crypt.ko ieee80211_crypt_wep.ko softmac |
| 04:13.50 | pickcoder | that's correct |
| 04:14.01 | GhostlyDeath | modprobe ipw? |
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| 04:14.10 | pickcoder | yeah |
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| 04:14.16 | GhostlyDeath | Starting |
| 04:14.19 | GhostlyDeath | done |
| 04:14.20 | Kevin` | isn't it ipwxxxx? |
| 04:14.21 | undesktop | from here, you can see that Linux is really a real funny thing |
| 04:14.26 | GhostlyDeath | yay it worked |
| 04:14.31 | GhostlyDeath | the nm shows the networks |
| 04:14.32 | srobert | where might I find w32codecs for xine? |
| 04:14.42 | pickcoder | !w32codecs |
| 04:14.43 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 04:14.46 | Guerin | srobert: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 04:14.49 | GhostlyDeath | but only one network is showing |
| 04:14.54 | GhostlyDeath | wait |
| 04:14.56 | GhostlyDeath | 2 more appeareda |
| 04:15.02 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: It takes a little time to scan |
| 04:15.05 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 04:15.09 | GhostlyDeath | if I restart |
| 04:15.13 | GhostlyDeath | WILL IT STILL BE THER!? |
| 04:15.20 | octoberdan | Still no audio, this is driving me insane |
| 04:15.23 | GhostlyDeath | So I don't have to keep probing it? |
| 04:15.36 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: It should... the ipw3945 module will be loaded automatically by boot-time hardware detection |
| 04:15.37 | GeorgeS069 | now pray none of them are WPA |
| 04:15.44 | GhostlyDeath | most are |
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| 04:15.49 | GhostlyDeath | But someone has a Cable connection |
| 04:15.50 | Wyzard | GeorgeS069: WPA and WPA2 work fine with NetworkManager |
| 04:15.53 | GhostlyDeath | Open, No Encryption |
| 04:16.01 | GhostlyDeath | one has DSL |
| 04:16.07 | GeorgeS069 | Wyzard: not on my system |
| 04:16.09 | GhostlyDeath | yesterday it was 32k/160k |
| 04:16.21 | srobert | Got it Thanks. |
| 04:16.30 | pickcoder | GhostlyDeath: you don't mind giving out free bandwidth? |
| 04:16.38 | Kevin` | GeorgeS069 which chipset/driver are you using |
| 04:16.42 | GhostlyDeath | pickcoder: , what do you mean? |
| 04:16.42 | Wyzard | GeorgeS069: I've been using my laptop's ipw2200 on my WPA2-secured network for months |
| 04:16.49 | GhostlyDeath | I don't have a wireless router yet... |
| 04:16.54 | GeorgeS069 | Broadcom 4306 (rev 03) |
| 04:16.57 | GhostlyDeath | I gotta get one |
| 04:17.01 | pickcoder | oh |
| 04:17.05 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:17.15 | Wyzard | GeorgeS069: I'd blame Broadcom, not NetworkManager, for that one :-) |
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| 04:17.18 | Kevin` | GeorgeS069 and which driver, the opensource one or ndiswrapper? |
| 04:17.19 | GhostlyDeath | 9 nets, 7 locked, 2 open |
| 04:17.24 | GhostlyDeath | thanks |
| 04:17.25 | tcort | my ice weasel 2.0.0.1 (on debian etch i386) doesn't do automatic spell checking. Am I missing a library or needed package? Any ideas? |
| 04:17.25 | GhostlyDeath | woot |
| 04:17.29 | grigora | does anyone know how to put a laptop to sleep from command line? |
| 04:17.38 | GeorgeS069 | Kevin`: I used the open source one...did the fwcutter stuff |
| 04:17.45 | Kevin` | broadcom has always been a bad choice, in any case :/ |
| 04:17.50 | GhostlyDeath | The sleep key on my keyboard just locks GNOME |
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| 04:17.57 | GeorgeS069 | Wyzard: I don't blame anyone |
| 04:18.09 | TheZanke | Kevin`, think i will run into an error dist-upgrade(ing) in a gnome shell instead of in non-x? |
| 04:18.14 | pickcoder | tcort: you may need aspell or ispell, but I'd have to look at the package details |
| 04:18.24 | GhostlyDeath | Does anyone here have a Synaptics Touch Pad? |
| 04:18.28 | tcort | pickcoder: I'll try that, thanks. |
| 04:18.31 | GhostlyDeath | Finally I get everythign working and all |
| 04:18.38 | GeorgeS069 | GhostlyDeath: yes I have one |
| 04:18.38 | Wyzard | IIRC, for the sleep key to work on my ThinkPad, I had to add myself to the "powerdev" group |
| 04:18.41 | GhostlyDeath | But I think Windows got hurt in the process |
| 04:18.54 | Kevin` | TheZanke I wouldn't do it, just to be safe, in case gnome gets restarted during the update |
| 04:18.57 | GhostlyDeath | GeorgeS069: do you know how to turn off the click on tap? |
| 04:19.11 | GeorgeS069 | GhostlyDeath: no...sorry |
| 04:19.15 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: To disable tap-to-click, you'll need to add an option in the touchpad's section in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:19.22 | TheZanke | Kevin`, nearly done now, no errors yet, but that just occured to me |
| 04:19.32 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: but I don't know what the option is... "man synaptics" will give you docs about the touchpad driver |
| 04:19.38 | GeorgeS069 | GhostlyDeath: I just turn off the pad with the button when I need it off |
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| 04:19.50 | TheZanke | Kevin`, hey cool its done... brb gonna restart x |
| 04:19.58 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: There's some nifty other stuff you can have it do too, like iPod-style circular scrolling |
| 04:20.13 | d0uglas | doing a fresh install.. looks like i got a Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML... good or bad for google earthing at > 2fps? |
| 04:20.21 | GhostlyDeath | Option"SendCoreEvents""true" ? |
| 04:20.39 | hark | d0uglas: good |
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| 04:20.46 | d0uglas | Nice. |
| 04:20.50 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: No, you're adding a new option, not changing an existing one |
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| 04:20.59 | Kevin` | d0uglas that's a reasonable card. supports 3d with opensource driver I believe |
| 04:21.01 | GhostlyDeath | damnit, GNOME uses 1024x768 when I want 1024x800 |
| 04:21.08 | Wyzard | d0uglas: Google Earth works very poorly on my i915, but the i945 is probably better |
| 04:21.08 | GhostlyDeath | the display is all fuzzy... |
| 04:21.16 | Kevin` | it's not a gaming card by any means but it should work nice |
| 04:21.17 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You mean 1280x800? |
| 04:21.20 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 04:21.31 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Laptop's built-in LCD, I assume |
| 04:21.35 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 04:21.38 | d0uglas | all right 'cause this is for Momma and Mommy Dearest needs like 14 frames per second when she gets her google earthin' on |
| 04:21.40 | Kevin` | Wyzard do you have DRI? |
| 04:21.47 | GhostlyDeath | GNOME will only accept 1024x768 @ 60Hz |
| 04:21.58 | hark | !drxxorg GhostlyDeath |
| 04:21.58 | dpkg | GhostlyDeath: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 04:22.25 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Here's a nifty trick... find the "Monitor" section for your LCD and comment out the HorizSync and VertRefresh lines, then find the "Screen" section and comment out all the subsections that list screen resolutions |
| 04:22.27 | GhostlyDeath | lol, corg |
| 04:22.30 | Kevin` | d0uglas I have a mac with (I think) that card and it works fine for 3d games and such |
| 04:22.32 | hark | The xorgmd5 is no longer valid now.. |
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| 04:22.53 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Then "/etc/init.d/gdm reload" and log out and back in, to restart X with the new options in effect |
| 04:23.09 | d0uglas | well, rockin a laptop here, "dual core" yada yada, just wanna make sure this is non-ati |
| 04:23.13 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: With no refresh rates or resolutions configured in xorg.conf, xorg will just ask the LCD what its preferred video mode is, and use that |
| 04:23.16 | GhostlyDeath | Wyzard: there are no Horiz/Vert Syncs |
| 04:23.29 | d0uglas | given that nvidia was sold out at best buy today within my price range, thought i'd opt for the intel video chipset |
| 04:23.37 | d0uglas | they wouldn't let me pop in a linux live cd :( |
| 04:23.42 | GeorgeS069 | I did get the bcm43xx driver working...I can even "see" my AP but,using WPA I can't seem to connect |
| 04:23.42 | Kevin` | lol |
| 04:23.47 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Yes, 3D acceleration in general is configured correctly on my laptop... it's just that the i915 is not a very powerful 3D card |
| 04:23.50 | d0uglas | lol broadcom :) |
| 04:24.02 | hark | GhostlyDeath: hwinfo --monitor can tell you. But, it's enough to just choose the medium option and pick the required resolution |
| 04:24.03 | GhostlyDeath | Attempt autodetection? |
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| 04:24.22 | Wyzard | Kevin`: ...actually, apparently something has changed in the past few months, because I just tried it again and it works fine now |
| 04:24.28 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 04:24.32 | GhostlyDeath | I don't have hwinfo installed |
| 04:24.51 | hark | yesh, you have to install it ;) |
| 04:24.58 | hark | *yeah |
| 04:24.59 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I was going to tell you about how it would emit a bunch of warnings about some limitation of my video card, and launched it to find out what the warnings were, and... it works nicely :-) |
| 04:25.11 | GhostlyDeath | Installing |
| 04:25.15 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You don't need to configure resolutions at all |
| 04:25.16 | GhostlyDeath | doe |
| 04:25.17 | Kevin` | nice Wyzard :) |
| 04:25.27 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Take the resolution stuff *out* of your config and X will autodetect it |
| 04:25.40 | Kevin` | you only need to config resolutions if your using a very nonstandard one or want a lower default resolution |
| 04:25.45 | GhostlyDeath | the resolutiojn stuff is "1280x800" |
| 04:25.46 | GhostlyDeath | all of it |
| 04:25.55 | hark | then that's ok |
| 04:26.02 | GhostlyDeath | should I add "1024x768"? |
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| 04:26.07 | GhostlyDeath | because i did that on an old pc |
| 04:26.11 | GhostlyDeath | and every mode unlocked |
| 04:26.17 | Wyzard | You don't need to configure resolutions *at all* on a modern laptop |
| 04:26.22 | hark | no, 1280x800 is your native res |
| 04:26.37 | Wyzard | The LCD can report its own native resolution and preferred video mode to the driver |
| 04:26.38 | GhostlyDeath | http://www.pastebin.ca/348442 |
| 04:27.28 | GhostlyDeath | What's my X Server Driver? |
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| 04:27.49 | Wyzard | That's sort of a vague term... do you mean video driver? |
| 04:28.12 | h3xis | would anyone happen to know why dvd playback looks like crap? everything is kind of grainy. i've used vlc and totem and they both look the same |
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| 04:28.47 | GhostlyDeath | yeah |
| 04:28.49 | GhostlyDeath | for xorg |
| 04:29.46 | hark | GhostlyDeath: do you have an Acer by any chance? |
| 04:29.51 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: That depends on what kind of video card is in your laptop, which we don't know |
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| 04:30.26 | GhostlyDeath | hark, Gateway MX6960 |
| 04:30.40 | pickcoder | lspci | grep video |
| 04:31.03 | pickcoder | actually "lspci | grep VGA" may work better depending on the card description |
| 04:31.24 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 04:31.25 | hark | GhostlyDeath: heh, my old Laptop here has about the same LCD |
| 04:31.30 | GhostlyDeath | logging out and logging back in |
| 04:31.32 | Wyzard | Grep for either "VGA" or "Display" |
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| 04:32.06 | GhostlyDeath | Can I log with XChat? |
| 04:32.14 | GhostlyDeath | XChat-GNOME? |
| 04:32.20 | siimo | GhostlyDeath: should do |
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| 04:32.43 | Wyzard | xchat-gnome has a weird UI... I find plain xchat to be nicer |
| 04:32.47 | parsonsd | what is evince and what happened to gpdf? |
| 04:32.59 | Wyzard | evince is the replacement for gpdf |
| 04:33.01 | LeandroBR | howto configure for default vm? |
| 04:33.10 | hark | parsonsd: gpdf is no longer developed. evince has taken its place |
| 04:33.21 | undesktop | Wyzard: where's the difference in both xchat versions? |
| 04:33.35 | Wyzard | undesktop: just a different UI |
| 04:33.36 | hark | LeandroBR: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:33.53 | parsonsd | hark, Wyzard, thanks. is acidwarp no longer in etch for about the same? |
| 04:33.53 | hark | more like a fork iirc |
| 04:33.57 | GhostlyDeath | anyway |
| 04:33.58 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 04:33.58 | LeandroBR | hark thx |
| 04:34.06 | undesktop | Wyzard: different in what way? |
| 04:34.19 | Wyzard | parsonsd: I've never used acidwarp so I have no idea why it isn't in etch |
| 04:34.52 | hark | !info acidwarp sarge |
| 04:34.53 | Wyzard | undesktop: http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/?page_id=13 |
| 04:34.54 | dpkg | acidwarp: (This is a linux port of the popular dos program Acidwarp.), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
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| 04:35.08 | GhostlyDeath | nope |
| 04:35.12 | GhostlyDeath | still 1024x768 |
| 04:35.32 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Pastebin your xorg.conf |
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| 04:36.02 | siimo | parsonsd: gpdf sucked ... evince is much better can search and copy stuff from pdfs and it uses cairo too |
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| 04:36.50 | Wyzard | siimo: and once we're in composited-land, Cairo's OpenGL backend can mean hardware-accelerated PDF rendering :-) |
| 04:36.55 | undesktop | Wyzard: looks ugly |
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| 04:37.06 | GhostlyDeath | http://pastebin.ca/348449 |
| 04:37.10 | Wyzard | undesktop: That's why I recommended against using it :-) |
| 04:37.49 | siimo | Wyzard: no need of being in composited land,, |
| 04:37.51 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You can comment out those entire "Display" SubSections, not just the Modes line |
| 04:38.02 | GhostlyDeath | could I delete it all? |
| 04:38.11 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: and you can also remove the BusID for the video card -- that's only needed if you have multiple video cards |
| 04:38.16 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Or you could just delete them, yes |
| 04:38.45 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: but I doubt that's the cause of the screen-resolution problem |
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| 04:39.03 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Take a look in the GNOME "screen resolution" control applet again |
| 04:39.35 | hark | aren't the modes all commented out? |
| 04:39.35 | GhostlyDeath | still only 1024x768 |
| 04:40.02 | lucky_ | I recently updated my kernel to 2.6 and for some reason its still booting 2.4 how can i fix this |
| 04:40.06 | Wyzard | Not even an option for 1280x800? |
| 04:40.09 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 04:40.17 | GhostlyDeath | I'll add 640x480 to the list |
| 04:40.25 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: to what list? |
| 04:40.27 | undesktop | 2.4 is a nice kernel, why do you want to change it? |
| 04:40.40 | lucky_ | bcuz it was updated to 2.6 already? |
| 04:40.41 | GhostlyDeath | the screen resolutions |
| 04:40.55 | GhostlyDeath | How do you reset X? |
| 04:40.59 | GhostlyDeath | and gnome? |
| 04:41.02 | mentor | Graaah |
| 04:41.04 | lucky_ | kill -9 |
| 04:41.09 | lucky_ | startx |
| 04:41.10 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I mean, where do you have a list of screen resolutions? (You removed the list from your xorg.conf...) |
| 04:41.16 | lucky_ | was how u did it in slackware |
| 04:41.17 | lucky_ | heh |
| 04:41.17 | mentor | grep -r --exclude=foo doens't operate on directories |
| 04:41.18 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: /etc/init.d/gdm reload |
| 04:41.22 | GhostlyDeath | I just put it back in |
| 04:41.26 | mentor | arg |
| 04:41.30 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: That'll cause GDM (the graphical login screen manager) to restart X next time you log out |
| 04:41.39 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 04:41.39 | GhostlyDeath | brb |
| 04:42.09 | lucky_ | can someone show me what their boot dir looks liek |
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| 04:42.53 | hark | Wyzard: shouldn't the modes be uncommented in his xorg.conf? |
| 04:43.09 | Wyzard | hark: No, they're not necessary on a modern laptop |
| 04:43.22 | Wyzard | hark: X just asks the LCD for its preferred video mode |
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| 04:43.52 | hark | Wyzard: ah |
| 04:44.13 | Wyzard | HorizSync and VertRefresh aren't needed either |
| 04:44.24 | Wyzard | The same is true for a desktop with an LCD monitor connected via DVI |
| 04:44.44 | siimo | Wyzard: yeah but i find i need to put a DisplaySize to get the dpi right |
| 04:44.44 | Wyzard | and *maybe* VGA, and *maybe* modern CRTs too, though I don't know about those |
| 04:45.02 | Wyzard | siimo: The LCD provides its size too |
| 04:45.18 | Wyzard | siimo: at least on the several systems I've tried it on |
| 04:45.25 | siimo | looks like it provides it wrong on mine |
| 04:46.17 | Wyzard | siimo: It's up to the video driver too, I think... what kind of video card do you use? |
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| 04:46.52 | r3m | Hi, I have a laptop with a wifi NIC. But 70% of the time, my NIC detect another LAN and establish a connection with this LAN. So I put "wireless-essid nethome" to interfaces files but that do not change the behavior. Is there a way to tell debian to connect only to my LAN, except putting it in static mode? |
| 04:47.10 | Wyzard | r3m: Use NetworkManager to manage your wireless card |
| 04:47.39 | Wyzard | See packages "network-manager", "network-manager-gnome" and "network-manager-kde" |
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| 04:47.53 | siimo | Wyzard: umm its an onboard ati card Xpress 200 or something with a dvi slot |
| 04:47.58 | r3m | yes but at boottime i will connect to this remote lan again |
| 04:48.01 | Wyzard | Comment out the entries in /etc/network/interfaces or NM will ignore them |
| 04:48.27 | Wyzard | r3m: NetworkManager is a daemon which starts at boot time |
| 04:48.46 | r3m | ok if i use networkmanager, there is no more ifup/ifdown |
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| 04:49.25 | Wyzard | siimo: I haven't tried it on any ATI cards, but you might want to look through your xorg.0.log for the point where it detects the screen resolution from EDID... see if it says anything about the display's physical size or calculated DPI |
| 04:49.28 | Wyzard | r3m: correct |
| 04:49.30 | r3m | and which line i need to comment out? |
| 04:49.44 | GhostlyDeath | screw it |
| 04:49.49 | Wyzard | r3m: Any lines for eth0, eth1, whatever |
| 04:49.52 | GhostlyDeath | Can I fstab ntfs and access the drive under GNOME? |
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| 04:49.59 | r3m | Wyzard thanks a lot |
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| 04:50.12 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:50.16 | cat | hey im having this issued everytime i've installed a package that some packages are kept back can i pasted it on pastebin? |
| 04:51.06 | Wyzard | cat: "held back" means that the new version's dependencies can't be met automatically... tell apt to install one of those packages manually and it'll tell you more about the issue |
| 04:51.09 | mobsta | can someone help me out im tryin to get my new kernel to boot |
| 04:51.23 | r3m | Wyzard and ill enable WAP-PSK on my router, network-manager is able to use this? |
| 04:51.27 | cat | http://pastebin.ca/348468 |
| 04:51.29 | mobsta | in /boot the config is the new kernel but its booting the old one for some reason |
| 04:51.31 | cat | here is the error Wyzard |
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| 04:51.42 | Wyzard | cat: Usually it means the new version depends on a package which isn't available, or conflicts with a package that apt doesn't want to automatically remove |
| 04:51.55 | Wyzard | r3m: Yes, NM works with both WPA-PSK and WPA2-PSK |
| 04:52.06 | r3m | Wyzard thanks you're the best |
| 04:52.13 | Wyzard | mobsta: You have both kernels in /boot, I take it |
| 04:52.26 | Wyzard | mobsta: Why not just uninstall the old one? |
| 04:52.43 | GhostlyDeath | http://pastebin.ca/348470 |
| 04:52.48 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 04:52.51 | Wyzard | r3m: You'll want either network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde as the UI frontend to the daemon |
| 04:52.55 | GhostlyDeath | Why won't linux take my SD card? |
| 04:53.07 | cat | any suggestions Wyzard ..? |
| 04:53.13 | cat | in the linked i've just pasted you |
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| 04:53.27 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: If your SD card reader doesn't use the SDHCI interface, it's probably not supported by Linux |
| 04:53.28 | mobsta | Wyzard: Id like to but I dont want to brick the device.. its a 400gb external HD w/ debian flashed onto it |
| 04:53.38 | mobsta | Buffalo Linkstation |
| 04:53.38 | GhostlyDeath | It's SCSI |
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| 04:54.01 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You have an SD card reader connected with a SCSI cable? |
| 04:54.10 | GhostlyDeath | It's built in |
| 04:54.21 | Wyzard | then it's not SCSI |
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| 04:54.31 | cat | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/348471 |
| 04:54.32 | Wyzard | What gave you the idea that it is? |
| 04:54.36 | cat | that's the link |
| 04:55.04 | Wyzard | cat: I saw it the first time, but there's only one of me and several people I'm trying to help |
| 04:55.30 | mobsta | Wyzard how can i tell what the vmlinux is 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 04:55.31 | cat | ok |
| 04:56.01 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: (II) I810(0): Not using mode "1280x800" (no mode of this name) |
| 04:56.06 | mobsta | seems somehow it was erased and replaced with the old kernel and the config was left there |
| 04:56.12 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: (II) I810(0): Not using mode "640x480" (no mode of this name) |
| 04:56.17 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: from your log |
| 04:56.22 | GhostlyDeath | How do I fix? |
| 04:56.34 | stew | 640x480 should really be there |
| 04:56.42 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Xorg detected that your monitor's native resolution is 1280x800 though |
| 04:56.43 | mentor | It's an SD reader... |
| 04:56.50 | mentor | It'll be turning up as USB MS |
| 04:56.57 | GhostlyDeath | It does on Windows |
| 04:57.15 | GhostlyDeath | think It needs to be fstabbed? |
| 04:57.15 | mentor | ... |
| 04:57.32 | HomeRoey | GhostlyDeath: I like that verb |
| 04:57.36 | HomeRoey | fstabbed. |
| 04:57.40 | HomeRoey | I pronounce it f-stab anyway |
| 04:57.41 | Wyzard | What needs to be fstabbed? |
| 04:57.49 | HomeRoey | Wyzard: the whole Debian process |
| 04:57.49 | Wyzard | the SD reader? |
| 04:57.53 | HomeRoey | Wyzard: YES |
| 04:57.59 | HomeRoey | Wyzard: this SD reader ticks me off |
| 04:58.05 | HomeRoey | Wyzard: I can't get it to mount /anything/ |
| 04:58.11 | HomeRoey | in fact, I can't seem tomount anything |
| 04:58.29 | HomeRoey | Is Debian-SID expeeriencing some sort of problem mounting USB devices?? |
| 04:58.35 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: I'm still wondering what made you think it's SCSI... if you see a /dev/sda or whatever when you put a card in it, that means the reader is working |
| 04:58.44 | mentor | It'll be turning up as USB MS |
| 04:58.59 | GhostlyDeath | my hard drive is /dev/sda1 or sometng |
| 04:59.01 | mentor | Which... uses the SCSI core! |
| 04:59.13 | Wyzard | HomeRoey: Nope, works fine |
| 04:59.19 | HomeRoey | ok |
| 04:59.38 | mentor | GhostlyDeath: What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 04:59.45 | GhostlyDeath | Mount the SD card |
| 04:59.47 | Wyzard | mentor: It's not necessarily USB |
| 04:59.56 | mentor | no |
| 05:00.01 | GhostlyDeath | I know Windows treats it as one |
| 05:00.14 | GhostlyDeath | It's even connected to the USB channel thingy |
| 05:00.16 | mentor | GhostlyDeath: And what exactly is not working? |
| 05:00.36 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: OK, if it's USB then I don't know... my card reader is SDHCI |
| 05:00.48 | GhostlyDeath | I put it in and *nothing* |
| 05:00.53 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: but as for your screen resolution thing, take the "Display" SubSections *completely out* of your config file |
| 05:01.12 | mentor | GhostlyDeath: And why is this a failure? |
| 05:01.19 | mobsta | So try mkdir /mnt/sd;mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sd |
| 05:01.38 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: What kind of GPU does your laptop have, btw? (You're using the "i810" driver but that supports several different models of GPU) |
| 05:01.42 | mobsta | you need to view your logs |
| 05:02.10 | GhostlyDeath | Intel Integrated Graphics Media Accel |
| 05:02.18 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: right, but which version? |
| 05:02.20 | Wyzard | i915? |
| 05:02.26 | Wyzard | lspci | grep Display |
| 05:02.27 | GhostlyDeath | 6.0? |
| 05:02.33 | mobsta | cat /var/log/messages |grep /dev/s |
| 05:03.00 | GhostlyDeath | 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 05:03.13 | mentor | mobsta: I'm trying to work out what the disparity between what he expects to happen and what is happening is |
| 05:03.15 | Wyzard | OK, it's a 945... that's newer than my laptop's 915 |
| 05:03.20 | mentor | mobsta: But I think he's doing grpahics atm |
| 05:03.37 | mobsta | oh i was talkin about for his card reader |
| 05:03.41 | mobsta | mentor |
| 05:03.46 | mentor | mobsta: yes |
| 05:03.51 | mobsta | i updated my kernel to 2.6.19.2 |
| 05:04.00 | undesktop | the reason why Debian sucks ass http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=249873 |
| 05:04.01 | mentor | well done. |
| 05:04.02 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: You might need to use the "915resolution" program to enable your card to use 1280x800 mode... my laptop doesn't need that for some reason, even though I really do have a 915, but yours might |
| 05:04.04 | mobsta | but after booting to it and rebooting |
| 05:04.13 | mobsta | or powering down without the button |
| 05:04.15 | mentor | undesktop: No donkies here. |
| 05:04.17 | mobsta | it booted the 2.4 |
| 05:04.29 | mentor | mobsta: GrUB or LILO? |
| 05:04.29 | undesktop | mentor: look at it... the bug exists since years |
| 05:04.34 | mobsta | nfc |
| 05:04.40 | mentor | undesktop: Has it got a patch? |
| 05:04.40 | mobsta | its on a external hd |
| 05:04.44 | mobsta | NAS |
| 05:04.45 | mobsta | 400gb |
| 05:04.46 | GhostlyDeath | What's /dev/mixer? |
| 05:04.49 | undesktop | maybe it got |
| 05:04.51 | mobsta | sound device |
| 05:04.55 | mobsta | controler |
| 05:04.59 | undesktop | and it breaks Samba config files |
| 05:05.02 | undesktop | quite funny |
| 05:05.04 | mentor | GhostlyDeath: sound. |
| 05:05.04 | Wyzard | undesktop: Yep, Debian sucks, the whole distro is worthless because of that bug |
| 05:05.13 | undesktop | Wyzard: exactly |
| 05:06.01 | mentor | undesktop: Confirm the bug still exists and mark the version in the bug database, attach a patch, berate the maintainer, and request the bug be closed. |
| 05:06.22 | undesktop | oh come on, I'm a user, not a distri maintainer |
| 05:06.48 | mentor | You're part of the problem then |
| 05:06.53 | mobsta | if your complaining |
| 05:06.56 | mobsta | to the wrong people |
| 05:07.03 | mobsta | then how do you expect to see improvements |
| 05:07.04 | Wyzard | undesktop: Maybe the maintainer doesn't know enough about the HA configuration that the bug involves |
| 05:07.04 | mobsta | ? |
| 05:07.31 | mentor | I mean... what kind of user can't even berate the devs? |
| 05:07.36 | GhostlyDeath | ok that failed |
| 05:07.42 | Wyzard | What did? |
| 05:07.44 | mentor | GhostlyDeath: Which boot loader? |
| 05:07.50 | undesktop | it's 6:07 AM... I try to get it work since ~8 hours |
| 05:07.55 | GhostlyDeath | I use GRUB, why? |
| 05:07.57 | siimo | GhostlyDeath: its called iceweasel :P |
| 05:07.59 | mobsta | Seems grub and lilo are only in /webmin/ folders |
| 05:08.10 | mentor | GhostlyDeath: sorry. friendly fire. |
| 05:08.11 | mobsta | im unsure of which boot loader im useing |
| 05:08.17 | GhostlyDeath | iceweasel? |
| 05:08.24 | mentor | mobsta: What arch is it? |
| 05:08.24 | GhostlyDeath | what kind of name is that? |
| 05:08.30 | siimo | that is firefox in debian |
| 05:08.36 | mobsta | mentor: linkstationwiki.net |
| 05:08.37 | Wyzard | It's Debian's non-trademark-infringing rename of Firefox |
| 05:08.53 | mobsta | Linux LiNuXStaTioN 2.4.20_mvl31-ppc_linkstation #1 Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:56:26 +0900 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 05:09.04 | mentor | mobsta: You are talkingn about booting Linux on this device, not netbooting from it onto a seperate device? |
| 05:09.18 | mobsta | it boots by itself |
| 05:09.19 | mentor | yes |
| 05:09.24 | mobsta | needs no help from nothing |
| 05:09.29 | mobsta | except router for ip |
| 05:09.40 | mobsta | its a network storage drive |
| 05:09.47 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: Debian's build of Firefox is not identical to the one from mozilla.org -- Debian applies some security patches and such -- and Mozilla's trademark license doesn't allow their trademarked names to be used on such modified versions |
| 05:10.33 | mobsta | but look |
| 05:10.37 | mobsta | in /boot there is |
| 05:10.40 | mobsta | configHG |
| 05:10.42 | mobsta | # Automatically generated make config: don't edit |
| 05:10.42 | mobsta | # Linux kernel version: 2.6.19.2 |
| 05:10.42 | mobsta | # Fri Jan 12 07:49:19 2007 |
| 05:10.42 | mobsta | # |
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| 05:10.47 | GhostlyDeath | spam! |
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| 05:10.49 | Wyzard | mobsta: If it's a self-contained embedded device, why are you trying to install a different kernel on it? |
| 05:10.55 | mobsta | sorry |
| 05:11.06 | mobsta | because its possible and i already did it |
| 05:11.07 | mobsta | but |
| 05:11.12 | mobsta | for some reason its booting the old one? |
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| 05:11.27 | Wyzard | and that's a bootloader issue |
| 05:11.34 | mobsta | well |
| 05:11.36 | Wyzard | so if you can't configure the bootloader, you're stuck |
| 05:11.46 | mobsta | na its not i dont think |
| 05:11.56 | Wyzard | Yes, it is |
| 05:12.01 | mobsta | bcuz i dont see any other files that can be possibly big enough to boot in /boot |
| 05:12.02 | Wyzard | The bootloader is what loads the kernel |
| 05:12.10 | r3m | Wyzard I have no network-manager packet on my debian sarge (using ftp for retreiving packet) |
| 05:12.16 | mobsta | i think somehow the new kernel was replaced by the old |
| 05:12.20 | Wyzard | r3m: ah... yeah, it's not in sarge |
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| 05:12.27 | mobsta | automatically |
| 05:12.31 | r3m | what is the current stable version now |
| 05:12.50 | Wyzard | r3m: sarge, but etch is nearing release |
| 05:13.23 | Wyzard | mobsta: Well, there's no such automatic-kernel-replacement mechanism in Debian, so either that's not what happened, or your device isn't running Debian |
| 05:13.51 | r3m | Wyzard is there another way to install debian when you have no cd-r dvd-r |
| 05:14.04 | r3m | is there a way to download a floppy and then install debian my NIC |
| 05:14.07 | mentor | mobsta: It appears there is a fallback option that boots the original kernel |
| 05:14.11 | r3m | s/my/by |
| 05:14.14 | mobsta | LiNuXStaTioN:/boot# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:14.14 | mobsta | 3.1 |
| 05:14.14 | Wyzard | r3m: floppies or bootable USB stick, and a network connection |
| 05:14.27 | r3m | thanks |
| 05:14.31 | mobsta | yeah i believe your right mentor |
| 05:14.44 | mobsta | but i dont see any files big enough to be the other kernel. |
| 05:14.55 | mentor | mobsta: There is information here: http://linkstationwiki.net/index.php?title=U-boot_bootloader |
| 05:15.02 | mobsta | and i still have the same freespace |
| 05:15.12 | mobsta | mentor check this |
| 05:15.14 | mentor | mobsta: I'm not really familiar enough with the system to say |
| 05:15.15 | mobsta | http://hvkls.dyndns.org/downloads/documentation/README-webinstaller.html |
| 05:15.21 | mobsta | that is how i updated it to 2.6 |
| 05:15.31 | mentor | mobsta: I siggest you go to a device specific forum/channel |
| 05:15.57 | GhostlyDeath | damn my mouse pointer keeps dissapearing |
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| 05:16.16 | Azar | excuse me, mobsta are you using Debian? |
| 05:17.11 | mobsta | yes |
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| 05:17.18 | decavolt | mpt |
| 05:17.25 | Azar | so why are you installing a kernel outside deb. ? |
| 05:17.33 | mobsta | ? |
| 05:17.37 | mobsta | i installed it |
| 05:17.41 | mobsta | im wondering wtf it went. |
| 05:18.02 | mobsta | and what do you mean by outside deb. |
| 05:18.07 | mobsta | deb. doesnt support 2.6 ? |
| 05:18.10 | Azar | did you use "aptitude install kernel-image.... " ? |
| 05:18.13 | sparr | Supaplex and bucky: memory usage isnt the problem, paging is. |
| 05:18.13 | Wyzard | mobsta: 2.6.19 isn't packaged |
| 05:18.15 | GhostlyDeath | I think the battery monitor is ying |
| 05:18.19 | GhostlyDeath | lying* |
| 05:18.21 | Wyzard | mobsta: 2.6.18 is |
| 05:18.34 | GhostlyDeath | It says I got 25% batteries left |
| 05:18.37 | undesktop | will 2.6.19 be packaged or just be overjumped? |
| 05:18.43 | undesktop | since 2.6.20 is allreadyy there |
| 05:18.46 | Azar | mobsta, if you install a kernel that is not in debian package don't expect to work for long |
| 05:18.47 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: The battery monitor just shows what the battery itself reports |
| 05:18.48 | mobsta | its packaged for this device |
| 05:19.02 | Wyzard | mobsta: then the device is not running standard Debian |
| 05:19.04 | r3m | Wyzard do you know another way than network-manager? |
| 05:19.10 | Azar | mobsta: 2.6.19 is NOT in Debian stable, or testing. Is on Sid |
| 05:19.18 | mobsta | ok |
| 05:19.26 | Azar | or he is running ubuntu |
| 05:19.27 | Wyzard | Azar: not in sid either |
| 05:19.28 | mobsta | well |
| 05:19.33 | mobsta | my point to install it was |
| 05:19.43 | Kevin` | almost any kernel version will work if you just get it from kernel.org |
| 05:19.43 | mobsta | so i could use the cdrecord via external usb |
| 05:19.45 | Azar | mobsta: then good luck cuz will not last long |
| 05:19.48 | Wyzard | r3m: If that ESSID setting doesn't work, then no, I don't |
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| 05:20.10 | Kevin` | cd/dvd recording/playing works fine for me via usb |
| 05:20.17 | mobsta | with what kernel |
| 05:20.27 | Kevin` | 2.6.19.2, apparently |
| 05:21.03 | mobsta | d00d:20:45 URL:http://downloads.linkstationwiki.net/mirrors/hvkls.dyndns.org/md5sums/latest-bootloader.tar.gz.md5 [59/59] -> "latest-bootloader.tar.gz.md5" [1] |
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| 05:21.06 | Azar | get a dvd recorder lol |
| 05:21.11 | mobsta | im rerunning the script |
| 05:21.37 | mobsta | --> Getting kernel-hg... 00:21:10 URL:http://downloads.linkstationwiki.net/mirrors/hvkls.dyndns.org/latest-kernel-hg.tar.gz [1689650/1689650] -> "latest-kern |
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| 05:23.22 | mobsta | brb |
| 05:23.50 | Kevin` | Azar what do you do that you need such a thing? |
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| 05:25.06 | undesktop | well, at least I don't have to configure sendmail |
| 05:25.12 | Kevin` | lol |
| 05:25.40 | dondelelcaro | sendmail's actually not that hard to configure if you know m4. |
| 05:25.41 | troubled | Azar: got a url to the device? |
| 05:25.58 | pink1 | I'd like to run Windows asd Mac os's in an emulator. Is there a free one that will do that? |
| 05:25.59 | troubled | dondelelcaro: just the man i need :) |
| 05:26.02 | GeorgeS069 | sendmail was easier than wireless |
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| 05:26.14 | dondelelcaro | pink1: qemu will |
| 05:26.26 | mobsta | Linux LiNuXStaTioN 2.6.19.2-kuroboxHG #9 Fri Jan 12 07:52:20 CET 2007 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 05:26.30 | mobsta | =) |
| 05:26.33 | pink1 | dondelelcaro: cheers |
| 05:26.37 | dondelelcaro | pink1: well, it'll run windows, and it'll emulate ppc. Running Mac OS itself is more difficult, because it requires the roms. |
| 05:26.39 | Kevin` | pink1 qemu, vmware server, and a few others will emulate/virtualize x86. I can't recommend a ppc emulator but there ARE free ones |
| 05:26.43 | mobsta | it works.. |
| 05:26.55 | Azar | hi Kevin, troubled it was a remark about what was discussed above |
| 05:26.59 | Kevin` | qemu does ppc actually, it think |
| 05:27.16 | pink1 | Kevin`: ok - thanks |
| 05:27.19 | dondelelcaro | (if you've got ppc hardware, mol runs macos just fine.) |
| 05:27.22 | Kevin` | kevin@bart ~ $ qemu-system-ppc -M ? |
| 05:27.22 | Kevin` | Supported machines are: |
| 05:27.22 | Kevin` | g3bw Heathrow based PowerMAC (default) |
| 05:27.22 | Kevin` | mac99 Mac99 based PowerMAC |
| 05:27.23 | Kevin` | prep PowerPC PREP platform |
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| 05:27.30 | Kevin` | eep |
| 05:27.32 | troubled | Azar: ah. was gonna say, the thing would have to be massive :) |
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| 05:28.02 | Azar | troubled: what my CD/DVD recorder? nah, a tad taller than a regular DVD player |
| 05:28.16 | troubled | Azar: the 500 disc changer i meant |
| 05:28.17 | pink1 | Kevin`: you could pm me that list... |
| 05:28.35 | dragonheart | any easy way to add a security tag to a bug report? |
| 05:28.35 | Kevin` | pink1 it was just the 3 machines |
| 05:28.49 | pink1 | ok |
| 05:29.01 | Azar | troubled: yep, that one hmm in fact is the same size as my sound management system on my entertainment center: think 3 DVD players stacked one on top each other, so tall |
| 05:29.54 | troubled | Azar: this product have a name or url? |
| 05:30.17 | pink1 | Kevin`: there doesn't appear to be a pkg for qemu for sarge |
| 05:30.51 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 05:31.09 | troubled | anyone guru status with deb mirrors or more specifically the apt-move command? archives are marked as belonging to "stable" instead of specifically sarge. any fixes? thanks |
| 05:31.21 | r3m | pink1: g3bw mac99 and prep are the supported list it is not package |
| 05:31.46 | pink1 | r3m: ??? |
| 05:31.48 | Kevin` | pink1 I don't know if qemu is the best emulator for a mac system, I use it because it supports a bunch of different architectes and helps for linux hacking. but I suspect it should work |
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| 05:32.02 | r3m | pink1: you tried apt-get install prep? |
| 05:32.18 | pink1 | r3m: ok will do |
| 05:32.20 | r3m | no |
| 05:32.22 | r3m | dont do this |
| 05:32.27 | Azar | troubled: is a sony 500+1 cd/dvd changer |
| 05:32.32 | r3m | prep is an arch, not a package |
| 05:32.39 | mahesh | From where i will get the rtai pach for kernel src 2.6.8 |
| 05:32.46 | troubled | Azar: hows it connect to the pc? usb? |
| 05:32.47 | pink1 | r3m: no pkg for prep |
| 05:33.01 | Azar | haha that is the beauty: does not need a pc |
| 05:33.04 | r3m | there is no pkg for prep except having the qemu-ppc package |
| 05:33.16 | Azar | hooks on tv |
| 05:33.18 | Kevin` | pink1 if there's no qemu package it's probably easiest to compile it from source IMO |
| 05:33.38 | r3m | the qemu package i mean* |
| 05:33.45 | pink1 | Kevin`: no chance of that -- noob here ;-) |
| 05:33.50 | troubled | Azar: oooh hehe, not a computer catalog system/jukebox then, just a normal (albeit large) music/movie player? |
| 05:33.59 | r3m | qemu-ppc is the package when you run qemu on your mac to emulate intel i suppose |
| 05:34.01 | Kevin` | pink1 you just type "make" "make install" |
| 05:34.14 | Kevin` | there doesn't seem to be a qemu package for ARM :( |
| 05:35.00 | Kevin` | oh, arm host support for qemu is "testing" |
| 05:35.05 | r3m | well on my mac mini (ppc) i have qemu and i emulate intel based cpu |
| 05:35.05 | Kevin` | wonder what that means |
| 05:35.14 | r3m | so i think its possible to do the inverse |
| 05:35.14 | troubled | Azar: now wouldnt a sucker like that with windows _AND_ linux software with a build in burner accessed via ethernet/samba/nfs/etc be nice :) |
| 05:35.51 | r3m | pink1 get MOL instead. |
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| 05:36.18 | pink1 | r3m what's MOL? |
| 05:36.29 | pink1 | no pkg for MOL |
| 05:36.53 | pink1 | or mol |
| 05:37.13 | dondelelcaro | it's mol, and it's what you use to run macos on linux if you've got macintosh hardware. |
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| 05:38.48 | r3m | oh if youve got a macintosh |
| 05:38.49 | pink1 | dondelelcaro: to - I'm on a toshiba laptop, so mol is no good then |
| 05:38.53 | r3m | ok forget it pink1 |
| 05:39.02 | Azar | troubled: yes a normal one but guess what man: does not need a PC :) |
| 05:39.04 | r3m | what you need is qemu |
| 05:39.28 | Azar | oh and no need to look for download/configure a recorder |
| 05:39.46 | dondelelcaro | !!info qemu |
| 05:39.48 | dondelelcaro | !+info qemu |
| 05:39.51 | r3m | http://qemu.com/user-doc.html |
| 05:39.56 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-5 (sid), Packaged size: 3590 kB, Installed size: 9804 kB |
| 05:40.23 | Kevin` | http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/download.html |
| 05:41.12 | dondelelcaro | it's packaged; no need to download it. |
| 05:41.30 | Kevin` | dondelelcaro for sarge? he said he couldn't find it |
| 05:41.50 | dondelelcaro | !+info qemu sarge |
| 05:41.56 | dpkg | qemu: (fast processor emulator), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.6.1+20050407-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1841 kB, Installed size: 5992 kB |
| 05:42.02 | Kevin` | Hmm.. |
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| 05:43.13 | troubled | dondelelcaro: how can you tell if thats in: main, contrib, non-free or proposed-updates? |
| 05:43.21 | pink1 | Hmm -- qemu is in the pkg list for stable in http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages - but it's not coming up when I ask it to apt-get install |
| 05:43.30 | sid | Is there a free software jeoprady or wheel of fortune like game? All the people from my lug play armagetron..and it's kind of boring after awhile.(only 3 possible key combinations) |
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| 05:43.38 | stoned | Its only for the people of the #debian, its comin' back 'round again |
| 05:43.51 | sid | Are there any free software games for many people, that are more thought provoking |
| 05:43.52 | Kevin` | sid play Conquest :) |
| 05:44.09 | troubled | sid: gnuchess? |
| 05:44.16 | sid | troubled: for many people? |
| 05:44.21 | troubled | sid: sory :) |
| 05:44.35 | pink1 | dondelelcaro: Any ideas? |
| 05:44.40 | Pablo | can someone please help me with this error "scripts/kconfig/mconf.c:91: error: static declaration of ‘current_menu’ follows non-static declaration |
| 05:44.40 | Pablo | " |
| 05:44.52 | Kevin` | http://www.radscan.com/conquest.html - if your interested. old game |
| 05:45.06 | stoned | Neva forget that tha wip snapped ya back |
| 05:45.17 | stoned | This is only for the people of the #debian |
| 05:45.26 | Pablo | :o |
| 05:45.30 | stoned | Its comin back around again |
| 05:45.42 | Azar | :) stoned!!! |
| 05:45.45 | stoned | hey budyd |
| 05:45.49 | stoned | haha |
| 05:45.51 | stoned | buddyd |
| 05:45.56 | stoned | run this service and make friends |
| 05:45.56 | stoned | lol |
| 05:45.58 | Azar | man guess what I am reading |
| 05:46.06 | stoned | whats that |
| 05:46.19 | Azar | A Bastardization of George Washingtons Farewell Address |
| 05:46.26 | stoned | eh |
| 05:46.29 | Azar | and laughing my assoff |
| 05:46.48 | stoned | sid: thought provking games |
| 05:47.06 | dondelelcaro | troubled: because it's in misc, you know it's in main. |
| 05:47.08 | Azar | people of the #debian! hello honorables |
| 05:47.14 | stoned | sid: http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 05:47.17 | stoned | here is my favorite bookmark |
| 05:47.25 | troubled | dondelelcaro: now i know, thanks. |
| 05:47.27 | stoned | its not fully uptodate |
| 05:47.37 | dondelelcaro | pink1: that sounds like you don't have a full set of mirrors, or haven't run apt-get update, or aren't actually running Debian. |
| 05:47.38 | stoned | sid: but all the games listed are packaged for debian |
| 05:47.39 | Azar | sid try frozen bubble |
| 05:48.09 | stoned | you wanna think |
| 05:48.12 | stoned | play Pingus |
| 05:48.14 | Azar | aptitude install frozen bubble ( or frozen_bubble or frozen-bubble..) |
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| 05:48.24 | pink1 | I'm on sarge and updated this morning, but I take your point about mirrors - the NZ one might be a bit behind |
| 05:48.32 | Azar | lemmings were cool.. |
| 05:48.43 | troubled | Azar: frozen bubble was well done. but what i wouldnt do for old bubble bobble :) |
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| 05:48.59 | Pablo | can someone please look at this and give me some guidance --> http://de.pastebin.ca/348519 |
| 05:49.03 | stoned | xmame+freeroms |
| 05:49.08 | stoned | have at it troubled |
| 05:49.09 | Wyzard | OK, so the kvm-intel module built from kvm-source hard-locks my system |
| 05:49.14 | Azar | troubled: if was made by linux developers might still be around |
| 05:49.19 | Wyzard | I guess I'll wait for the built-in kvm in 2.6.20 |
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| 05:49.24 | stoned | Azar: old arcade game |
| 05:49.26 | AlexW | hello |
| 05:49.35 | Azar | stoned: like mud ? |
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| 05:49.43 | AlexW | is there a mirror that had debian network card drivers |
| 05:49.45 | troubled | stoned: i doubt they put bubble as a free rom. mind you it is old, company may have released it :/ |
| 05:49.50 | stoned | Azar: no... like where you put in a quarter and play bubble bobble |
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| 05:50.10 | troubled | Azar: nah, was old arcade rom. prolly 17 or 18 years old |
| 05:50.13 | Kevin` | Pablo what happens if you just type make |
| 05:50.18 | Pablo | I dunno |
| 05:50.18 | AlexW | because the debian installer does not recognise my network card |
| 05:50.26 | Kevin` | Pablo if the same error, go get a clean kernel source |
| 05:50.30 | Pablo | let me try kevin |
| 05:50.31 | Azar | gah never heard of this one, donkeykong, packman, mystic towers.. stuff like that I know |
| 05:50.31 | dondelelcaro | Pablo: why are you making a 2.6.18 kernel in the 2.6.8 kernel source directory? |
| 05:50.32 | stoned | troubled: I you pretends its legal, it is. |
| 05:50.43 | Pablo | :o |
| 05:50.52 | troubled | stoned: well, i doubt the fbi is gonna arrest me for a 20 yr old rom ;) |
| 05:50.59 | dondelelcaro | Pablo: and second, why does current_menu have HTML entity escapes around it? |
| 05:51.08 | Pablo | :o |
| 05:51.13 | stoned | troubled: I can say no more |
| 05:51.16 | troubled | stoned: besides, ive pumped enough quarters into that game to deserve stock in that company |
| 05:51.33 | troubled | street fighter 2 as well ;p |
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| 05:51.49 | jpin | Is there an alternative to grep to be able to match newlines? |
| 05:52.04 | AlexW | i have a marvell yukon and the drivers that linux gives do not work |
| 05:52.06 | jpin | (just found out grep can't match newlines!!!) |
| 05:52.15 | jpin | (terrible!!) |
| 05:52.18 | stoned | AlexW: sky2 module needs to be loaded |
| 05:52.21 | Azar | stoned man, try this is hysterical: http://blag.xkcd.com/ |
| 05:52.30 | dondelelcaro | jpin: grep is a line based engine; what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 05:52.31 | zinx | troubled: bub 'n bob |
| 05:52.34 | AlexW | i tried sky2 but it doesnt work |
| 05:52.35 | stoned | AlexW: you need 2.6.18 kernel |
| 05:52.44 | stoned | AlexW: I have the same gb eth controller |
| 05:52.47 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, you can get grep to match multiple lines, but it's more "interesting") |
| 05:52.48 | AlexW | :( thats not included on debian install is it? |
| 05:52.53 | stoned | AlexW: it works with 2.6.18 in etch |
| 05:52.56 | stoned | AlexW: yes |
| 05:53.03 | AlexW | im using sarge |
| 05:53.11 | stoned | AlexW: use the nightly/weekly/daily (whatever) etch installer image |
| 05:53.13 | jpin | dondelelcaro: i'm trying to match a newline in a file (in a source tree directories..) |
| 05:53.52 | jpin | dondelelcaro: you have a sugestion? |
| 05:53.52 | AlexW | etch doesnt have wireless drivers built in does it :P |
| 05:53.52 | muuhDBX | can i run anproxie on my router ? |
| 05:53.52 | stoned | AlexW: if you can get 2.6.18 on sarge through some other means (i know your net won't work yet) |
| 05:53.52 | troubled | zinx: that the freeware oss clone i take it? |
| 05:53.53 | dondelelcaro | jpin: as in '^$'? |
| 05:53.53 | zinx | troubled: http://bub-n-bros.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:53.57 | AlexW | i can use a usb drive |
| 05:53.58 | troubled | lol |
| 05:54.04 | stoned | AlexW: that should work |
| 05:54.06 | dondelelcaro | jpin: or do you mean \r\n? or what? |
| 05:54.08 | AlexW | i already have debian installed |
| 05:54.08 | stoned | !sarge 2.6 |
| 05:54.13 | stoned | !sarge 2.6.18' |
| 05:54.13 | AlexW | now if i install 2.6.18 |
| 05:54.16 | stoned | argh |
| 05:54.17 | jpin | dondelelcaro: ? ... as in "blabla\nasdfas" |
| 05:54.17 | AlexW | that might work? |
| 05:54.26 | stoned | !dpkg search |
| 05:54.28 | AlexW | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 05:54.29 | dpkg | i heard sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 05:54.35 | troubled | zinx: thats awesome, thanks :) |
| 05:54.40 | stoned | wtf is with dpkg |
| 05:54.43 | stoned | !dpkg search |
| 05:54.51 | jpin | dondelelcaro: it doesn't matter the type of regular expression, as long as i can matche whatever i want |
| 05:54.54 | stoned | Guerin: did you delete the factod? |
| 05:55.18 | jpin | dondelelcaro: (grep -P is not supported is really bad...) |
| 05:55.27 | AlexW | i put my usb thumbdrive in and it returns |
| 05:55.34 | AlexW | control timeout on ep0out |
| 05:56.02 | dondelelcaro | jpin: so you want to match two lines; you can do that using grep -A 1 'blablah$'|grep -B 1 '^asdfg'; or you can use pgrep or egrep. |
| 05:56.13 | stoned | !factoids |
| 05:56.14 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry!, or http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 05:56.51 | stoned | I recently started using stew's insterface for dpkg factoid search in php |
| 05:56.52 | jpin | dondelelcaro: hm.. what if i want "\n*" ? |
| 05:56.56 | stoned | it is freaking awesome |
| 05:57.09 | jpin | dondelelcaro: hm.. what if i want "a\n*b" ? |
| 05:57.13 | dondelelcaro | s/pgrep/pcregrep/ |
| 05:57.34 | AlexW | control timeout on ep0out as anybody ever had that? |
| 05:57.40 | dondelelcaro | jpin: then you search for a, grep -v '^$', and match b. |
| 05:57.40 | stoned | AlexW: is this a desktop? or a server? do you need to run sarge on it for some reason |
| 05:57.41 | Kevin` | jpin you want to return both lines then? or the top line or bottom line or what? |
| 05:57.43 | stoned | ? |
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| 05:58.03 | dondelelcaro | jpin: or you use pcregrep or perl or egrep or something else. There are many tools which are capable of doing that. |
| 05:58.15 | jpin | I'm simply trying to do this: grep -R "a\n*b" * |
| 05:58.16 | AlexW | laptop |
| 05:58.25 | AlexW | im just using it for wifi hacking etc |
| 05:58.33 | AlexW | so testing is probally best :/ |
| 05:58.38 | jpin | on a directory.. i just want it to go search on all subdirectories. |
| 05:58.39 | AlexW | as most tools are only test |
| 05:58.52 | AlexW | good point :), ill download etch |
| 05:59.03 | dondelelcaro | jpin: so use find with xargs and pcregrep -M |
| 05:59.10 | dondelelcaro | not exactly difficult |
| 05:59.31 | jpin | dondelelcaro: hm.. i never thought grep had this limitation... |
| 05:59.40 | dondelelcaro | grep is a line based matcher. That's *all* it does. |
| 05:59.48 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't do multiline matching. |
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| 06:00.17 | Supaplex | that's what perl is for :P |
| 06:00.18 | stoned | dpkg, no, factoids is <reply> Web interface for dpkg's factoids. Easy to use and read. When you see stew, say thank you. http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 06:00.18 | dpkg | stoned: what are you talking about? |
| 06:00.20 | jpin | dondelelcaro: well.. if it "could".. why not... that's just what i don't understand |
| 06:00.37 | Azar | stoned, do you have an ipod? |
| 06:00.38 | dondelelcaro | jpin: it could do a lot of things that it doesn't; there are other tools that do it and do it well. |
| 06:00.41 | stoned | nope |
| 06:00.46 | Azar | seen one? |
| 06:00.48 | stoned | trying to fucking fix a few factoids |
| 06:00.52 | stoned | im being rejected by dpkg |
| 06:00.55 | stoned | dondelelcaro: help sir! |
| 06:00.58 | Azar | help me here |
| 06:01.02 | dondelelcaro | !factoids |
| 06:01.03 | dpkg | Give me more! Bigmouth hungry!, or http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 06:01.03 | stoned | Azar: hold on man |
| 06:01.07 | Azar | ok |
| 06:01.11 | dondelelcaro | !factinfo factoids |
| 06:01.11 | dpkg | factoids -- last modified at Sun Jul 9 15:18:03 2006 by cusco!n=Tiago@cpc2-swin6-0-0-cust997.brhm.cable.ntl.com; it has been requested 20 times, last by dondelelcaro, 9s ago. |
| 06:01.23 | jpin | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks (thanks too Kevin) |
| 06:01.24 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, factoids is <reply> see your factoids |
| 06:01.25 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 06:01.31 | stoned | dondelelcaro: could you change it to factoids is <reply> Web interface for dpkg's factoids. Easy to use and read. When you see stew, say thank you. http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 06:01.53 | stoned | I wonder why this fucker won't listen to me |
| 06:02.01 | stoned | i think its cuz don's his daddy |
| 06:02.01 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:02.05 | Azar | I ask and I appologyze but I am too dumb never saw one but I understand uses a hd so how come it comes with a 20 min skip protection? |
| 06:02.06 | stoned | dpkg dont like me |
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| 06:02.12 | stoned | Azar: yes whas up |
| 06:02.20 | Azar | readu up ^^^ |
| 06:02.27 | stoned | Azar: horrible grammar |
| 06:02.33 | stoned | I mean |
| 06:02.35 | Azar | eh was excited |
| 06:02.36 | stoned | hold on |
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| 06:02.39 | stoned | it was a typo dude |
| 06:02.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it has a memory cache which it uses to power down the drive. |
| 06:02.43 | stoned | I meant to say hold on |
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| 06:02.56 | eshaase | i noticed that python is included in the base system, what is the reasoning behind this? |
| 06:02.57 | dondelelcaro | Azar: they call it an "anti skip protection" but it's really a "make the battery life not suck" feature. |
| 06:03.07 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: because lots and lots and lots of scripts require it. |
| 06:03.11 | Azar | ahhhhh I seee.. thanks guys |
| 06:03.27 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: but it *is* just base, so you don't have to install it unless something depends upon it. |
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| 06:04.45 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: well i installed using the smallest network cd and i didn't select any additional software to be installed after the first reboot and i noticed it was installed |
| 06:04.57 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: so it seems like its required |
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| 06:05.03 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: if you don't select any additional software, you get base. |
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| 06:05.35 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: well tahts what i did and i noticed it was getting downloaded |
| 06:05.38 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: it may be required in the sense that things that you want depend on it, but it's definetly not Essential: yes (which is what the very small set of packages that are actually required are labelled) |
| 06:06.22 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: yes, because it's in base... |
| 06:06.23 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: well what could i have done during the install process to avoid having python installed? |
| 06:06.48 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: run aptitude and mark it so that it's not installed, and don't install anything that depends upon it. |
| 06:06.48 | sparr | whats the term for 'sid' 'etch' 'unstable' 'testing' 'potato' etc? |
| 06:06.56 | AlexW | lol debian server = so slow |
| 06:07.31 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: when during the install process are you given a chance to run aptitude? |
| 06:07.45 | jpin | dondelelcaro: shouldn't this work?: pcregrep "aa" file1 |
| 06:08.01 | dondelelcaro | jpin: if you were just looking for a line that had aa on it, sure. |
| 06:08.15 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: i was given a list of categories of software to uninstall and i none of them were selected |
| 06:08.21 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: *install |
| 06:08.24 | jpin | dondelelcaro: pcregrep: Error in command-line regex at offset 0: unknown option bit(s) set |
| 06:08.26 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: when you're asked what packages to install, you select "manually select packages" |
| 06:08.35 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: ahhh, ok |
| 06:08.36 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: gotcha |
| 06:08.57 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: never realized python was somewhat essential |
| 06:09.22 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: thanks for you time! |
| 06:09.29 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: it's not essential. [That term is reserved for packages which are Essential: Yes] |
| 06:09.30 | stoned | sparr: there are always only 3 branches of debian at any given time. Stable, Testing, and Unstable. Unstable is ALWAYS called sid. A copy of sid is made and is put into testing and and tested obviously, until it meets stable criteria. Then it is put into stable, and locked down/frozen, not accepting new packages but only critical updates. The names for stable and testing are always changing around based on the debian version. Try /msg d |
| 06:09.53 | dondelelcaro | sparr: they're sometimes called suites or distributions. |
| 06:09.58 | AlexW | stoned: what is your chipset in? |
| 06:09.58 | sparr | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 06:10.03 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: perhaps essential isn't the right adjective =) |
| 06:10.04 | stoned | ICH8R |
| 06:10.06 | sparr | stoned: im well aware of all of that |
| 06:10.10 | dondelelcaro | sparr: potato, woody, etc. are called releases. |
| 06:10.41 | stoned | sparr: I probably misunderstood your question. Did not mean to challenge your awareness. |
| 06:10.56 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: but if you mean that a lot of things depend on it, you'd be correct. |
| 06:11.02 | sparr | i was building up vocabulary to ask an ubuntu channel if ubuntu has any equivelent to stable/testing/unstable |
| 06:11.06 | eshaase | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks again! |
| 06:11.21 | dondelelcaro | (definetly not as many things as depend on perl or shell, but it's pretty hard to have a system with anything on it without it) |
| 06:11.24 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: np |
| 06:11.37 | dserban | hmm any idea how to check a cd to make sure all files are readable? ... probably just cp huh? |
| 06:11.50 | Azar | stoned.. |
| 06:11.52 | rpc | how can i clear bash history? |
| 06:12.06 | dondelelcaro | dserban: you could just find . -type f -print0 |xargs -0 cat > /dev/null; or similar. |
| 06:12.26 | stoned | rpc: remove ~/.bash_history |
| 06:12.28 | dondelelcaro | rpc: history -c |
| 06:12.34 | dondelelcaro | rpc: help history |
| 06:12.38 | rpc | oh, thank you folks! |
| 06:12.44 | Azar | stoned again you haven't read the news, a family house burned down because of a dell laptop |
| 06:12.45 | stoned | Azar: sup |
| 06:12.53 | stoned | Azar: dude! |
| 06:12.54 | rpc | i tried to zero .bash_history but it didn't help for some mean reason |
| 06:12.56 | stoned | fuck off man lol |
| 06:13.01 | Azar | sorry could not pass |
| 06:13.09 | stoned | you're killin me man |
| 06:13.10 | Azar | hey and it is true |
| 06:13.10 | stoned | lol |
| 06:13.19 | stoned | quit grillin me I quit like a month and half ago |
| 06:13.27 | stoned | Azar: thats bizzare btw |
| 06:13.35 | stoned | Azar: what was it, a lappy battery? |
| 06:13.44 | Azar | well if you werent left dell such horror stories would never have happened |
| 06:14.00 | stoned | Azar: dude you drink tonight? |
| 06:14.01 | Azar | I guess so I did not read the story, just the titles |
| 06:14.14 | stoned | Azar: for some reason you're speaking screwed up engligh |
| 06:14.16 | Azar | no, just very tired, worked 12 hours yesterday |
| 06:14.18 | dserban | excellent thanks dondelelcaro |
| 06:14.18 | stoned | sorry can't help but notice |
| 06:14.33 | troubled | rpc: what dond said about history -c should have cleared it. but if you had another shell/bash open in screen/xterm, i dont know if it would have flushed its command history til you close/open it again |
| 06:14.36 | Azar | Michael should thank you |
| 06:15.00 | Azar | if you wouldnt quit he would never got the chance to get back |
| 06:15.14 | stoned | Azar: btw |
| 06:15.21 | stoned | I got a call from this girl, and two other homies |
| 06:15.27 | Azar | :) |
| 06:15.31 | stoned | Azar: they got laid off the day Mike showed up to Dell |
| 06:15.40 | Azar | bwahahahahahaha!!! |
| 06:15.44 | stoned | they were told they would not recieve thier bonuses |
| 06:15.58 | stoned | and only the minimum amount of commission allowable by the state of ok |
| 06:16.07 | stoned | I am glad I got out of there in time |
| 06:16.13 | Azar | ah that is true I read about |
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| 06:16.26 | stoned | I quit and they gave me 3000$ and 800$ a week later, and 200$ more a week later |
| 06:16.27 | stoned | :D |
| 06:17.00 | Azar | you got something you know, told you I never read about Dell before. |
| 06:17.13 | Azar | something magic I mean |
| 06:17.16 | stoned | Azar: man, i thought it was gonna be good you know |
| 06:17.19 | stoned | oh btw, they sell redhat |
| 06:17.24 | stoned | an suse |
| 06:17.28 | stoned | anyway |
| 06:17.39 | stoned | so I thought it would be a good oppertunity you know |
| 06:17.47 | Azar | suse is on the top of the pimple... something gonna blow up |
| 06:18.04 | stoned | but it wasn't.. I felt horrible working there.. I was made to lie to custoerms, hang up on em, sell em services that are junk, sell products that are junk |
| 06:18.13 | stoned | every level of management lies to you |
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| 06:18.30 | stoned | managers are assholes (I wasn't one of the asshole, I think I was a good manager) |
| 06:18.34 | stoned | anyway |
| 06:18.38 | stoned | I said you know what |
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| 06:18.45 | stoned | I'm gonna go rent Office space |
| 06:18.57 | stoned | I did, watched it, got stoned, and said fuck it, I'm not going to work anymore |
| 06:19.04 | stoned | I never went back |
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| 06:19.24 | Supaplex | dpkg -r pointy-haired-boss |
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| 06:19.32 | stoned | heh |
| 06:19.37 | Supaplex | ahhh, it was worth it. |
| 06:19.54 | mfrisch | Big business sucks! |
| 06:20.01 | Azar | why do you think I got such a boring job? I stick earbuds on my ears listen to metal all day at work and crunch my numbers. No customers, routine job get a reg paycheck to pay my rent. |
| 06:20.08 | Supaplex | now by arse cheeks are balanced with the chewing... |
| 06:20.14 | stoned | whoah |
| 06:20.16 | stoned | dude |
| 06:20.19 | stoned | Azar: WTF!!! |
| 06:20.24 | stoned | Azar: you're into metal?! |
| 06:20.26 | stoned | omg!!!!!!! |
| 06:20.29 | Azar | yep |
| 06:20.32 | stoned | word man! |
| 06:20.36 | Azar | what can I do can't help it |
| 06:20.45 | stoned | so you do what exactly? |
| 06:20.53 | stoned | music store? |
| 06:20.54 | Azar | income audit |
| 06:20.57 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:21.00 | Guerin | stoned: what factoid? |
| 06:21.07 | stoned | remember dpkg search |
| 06:21.13 | Azar | not people's income, company income |
| 06:21.17 | stoned | stew's web interface for dpkg's factoids |
| 06:21.28 | Guerin | !search dpkg |
| 06:21.28 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 06:21.32 | Guerin | there is be |
| 06:21.33 | stoned | ahh |
| 06:21.35 | stoned | doh |
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| 06:21.38 | stoned | I did !dpkg search |
| 06:21.43 | stoned | don't blame me |
| 06:21.47 | stoned | its the pot I swear |
| 06:21.47 | Azar | Guerin to the rescue |
| 06:21.50 | Guerin | i know, you're just stoned |
| 06:21.54 | stoned | Guerin's da man! |
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| 06:22.19 | mfrisch | stoned: you sure its just weed tonight ;-) |
| 06:22.27 | stoned_ | and I'm stoned with a tail! |
| 06:22.31 | stoned | actually I'm out I was dry hittin the pipe |
| 06:22.54 | stoned | I don't see /nicks /parts /quits /joins /modes |
| 06:22.56 | stoned | who the hell just took my nick/ |
| 06:23.04 | Supaplex | he's gone |
| 06:23.06 | stoned | oh |
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| 06:23.39 | stoned | so anyway |
| 06:23.46 | stoned | what ever happened to like |
| 06:23.53 | stoned | umm.. debian support |
| 06:24.00 | stoned | 10 minutes I think |
| 06:24.05 | stoned | no one looking for help on debian? |
| 06:24.24 | stoned | I feel odd yapping on by myself |
| 06:24.25 | mfrisch | at 1:30 on a friday night.... |
| 06:24.27 | stoned | talk to me |
| 06:24.28 | Supaplex | nope. we scared them into some other unnamed debian like channel. |
| 06:24.41 | stoned | oh no shit |
| 06:24.47 | stoned | mfrisch: I went to bed at 3pm |
| 06:24.47 | Supaplex | maybe it was #debian2,000 |
| 06:24.50 | stoned | I woke up at 11pm |
| 06:24.54 | stoned | 1.5 hours ago |
| 06:25.14 | stoned | I did stuff with my nose last night, I couldn't go to sleep |
| 06:25.41 | mfrisch | stoned: too much information |
| 06:26.00 | stoned | well I was trying to clean it out, lots of phlegm |
| 06:26.05 | stoned | however you spell it |
| 06:26.11 | stoned | accidentally I put soap water in my nose |
| 06:26.18 | stoned | it burned for hours and hours and I couldn't sleep |
| 06:26.26 | stoned | I almost went to the emergency room |
| 06:26.38 | stoned | (yeah, thats what happened.. *ahem*) |
| 06:26.57 | GhostlyDeath | hey |
| 06:27.00 | stoned | hi |
| 06:27.08 | mfrisch | stoned: soap will do that |
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| 06:27.46 | Supaplex | stoned: doctor it hurts when I ... |
| 06:28.01 | stoned | you know I have a strange sickness |
| 06:28.06 | stoned | I close my eyes when I sleep |
| 06:28.17 | rpc | hm what is responsible for starting this service in etch? rpc.statd |
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| 06:28.36 | Supaplex | rpc: NFS |
| 06:28.37 | mfrisch | rpc nfs |
| 06:28.55 | Supaplex | you'd think a nick like rpc would know. |
| 06:29.00 | Supaplex | :P |
| 06:29.12 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 06:29.22 | GhostlyDeath | WHy did Linux make the sawp partition 1.67GB!? |
| 06:29.23 | rpc | Supaplex :] |
| 06:29.31 | stoned | i think we had a Xenguy who didn't know about Xen |
| 06:29.33 | stoned | i think |
| 06:29.38 | stoned | so.. nicknames can be elusive |
| 06:29.39 | GhostlyDeath | 1.65GB * |
| 06:29.40 | rpc | thank you again, you are great folks and i haven't slep for 18 hours |
| 06:29.43 | mfrisch | linux didn't do anything |
| 06:29.44 | stoned | hmm |
| 06:29.49 | GhostlyDeath | The installer did |
| 06:29.54 | GhostlyDeath | I did all in one |
| 06:29.58 | Supaplex | killall -SIGSLEEP rpc |
| 06:30.00 | GhostlyDeath | (recommended for newbs) |
| 06:30.01 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 06:30.05 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: how big your hdd |
| 06:30.06 | rpc | he he |
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| 06:30.13 | GhostlyDeath | 149.05GB |
| 06:30.22 | stoned | so why are you worried agout 2gb of swap |
| 06:30.31 | Supaplex | ouuu 1% of disk space. |
| 06:30.32 | mfrisch | GhostlyDeath: how much ram? |
| 06:30.36 | GhostlyDeath | 1GB |
| 06:30.39 | GhostlyDeath | 2 Dimms |
| 06:30.43 | GhostlyDeath | so |
| 06:30.44 | mfrisch | keep it |
| 06:30.45 | stoned | 500mb swap should be fine |
| 06:30.50 | GhostlyDeath | 512MB + 512MB = 1GB |
| 06:30.57 | Supaplex | yes we get it |
| 06:30.59 | stoned | usually swap == 1/2 of ram |
| 06:31.04 | rpc | is there a nice console tool for managing services? |
| 06:31.08 | GhostlyDeath | in this case |
| 06:31.11 | GhostlyDeath | Swap > RAM |
| 06:31.14 | Supaplex | rpc: I call it bash. |
| 06:31.15 | mfrisch | if you can get it to need it |
| 06:31.17 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: it doesnt' matter |
| 06:31.18 | GhostlyDeath | Same goes for window's also |
| 06:31.28 | liable | !services |
| 06:31.29 | dpkg | i guess services is to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 06:31.30 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: if you want, you can even delete your entire swap partition |
| 06:31.31 | rpc | Supaplex yes, i can use it too :) |
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| 06:31.41 | rpc | thank you liable |
| 06:31.41 | GhostlyDeath | 102.92GB is dedicated to windows |
| 06:31.48 | liable | np |
| 06:31.51 | abhinay | stoned: i heard, swap == double the size of ram |
| 06:32.03 | GhostlyDeath | 39.29 is dedicated to linux |
| 06:32.08 | Supaplex | windows should be no more then 10gb ;) |
| 06:32.10 | stoned | abhinay: umm.. I remember reading differently |
| 06:32.18 | GhostlyDeath | and 6.84GB is dedicated to the recovery partition (for windows) |
| 06:32.32 | stoned | abhinay: i could be wrong though |
| 06:32.37 | jstarcher | when I do "$ apt-get install php4-gd" it says "The following packages will be REMOVED: libapache2-mod-php4" why is it wanting to remove it? |
| 06:32.46 | abhinay | swap should be greater than ram size, i think |
| 06:32.57 | GhostlyDeath | Can I defrag ext3? |
| 06:33.11 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: there's rarely a need to. |
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| 06:33.23 | GhostlyDeath | Supaplex, but I like making everything in order |
| 06:33.24 | mfrisch | abhinay: I installed a desktop on 128mb system it would use 3 times that swapping out. I put a 512 stick in and now it uses barely any |
| 06:33.37 | GhostlyDeath | I miss the way Windows 98 defragged drives, it moved everything to the beginning |
| 06:33.43 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: then let windows do it. |
| 06:33.54 | GhostlyDeath | Supaplex, Windows can't defrag ext3 |
| 06:34.06 | GhostlyDeath | and I'm using XP Media currently |
| 06:34.08 | Supaplex | and noone bothers to in linux |
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| 06:34.15 | Supaplex | !defrag |
| 06:34.15 | dpkg | defrag is probably generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 06:34.31 | hark | GhostlyDeath: did you get 1280x800 finally? |
| 06:34.37 | Supaplex | haha yea, respawn :P that's my factoid bit. |
| 06:34.37 | GhostlyDeath | No |
| 06:34.38 | rpc | rcconf is nice - all i needed :) |
| 06:34.39 | stoned | To determine how much swap space you need, multiply the amount of system RAM by 2. A swap partition should be a minimum 256 MB, and a maximum of 2GB. In order to get enough swap space for more than 1GB of RAM, create MULTIPLE swap partitions. For example, with 2GB of RAM, you would create 2, 2GB swap partitions. |
| 06:34.39 | AlexW | :P |
| 06:34.59 | stoned | I suppose I wasn't remembering correctly |
| 06:35.05 | stoned | my mistake |
| 06:35.06 | Supaplex | rpc: humm I'll have to poke at it :) |
| 06:35.07 | GhostlyDeath | Stuck on 1024x768 =/ |
| 06:35.14 | GhostlyDeath | Windows gets me 1280x800 |
| 06:35.18 | mfrisch | stoned: you would only use that on a high load machine |
| 06:35.22 | rpc | Supaplex such a silly but useful thing :) |
| 06:35.35 | GhostlyDeath | I'm on windows to recover the Lindmg |
| 06:35.36 | stoned | mfrisch: i use 500mb swap |
| 06:35.40 | stoned | no less, no more |
| 06:35.49 | stoned | and after 1 month of uptime I hardly use half of it |
| 06:36.03 | hark | GhostlyDeath: hmm, maybe with 915resolution? |
| 06:36.08 | Tallu | I dont remember the last time i've used swap, except for hibernating on the laptop |
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| 06:36.16 | GhostlyDeath | I have a laptop? |
| 06:36.17 | mfrisch | stoned: I got a gig and it sits there unless I'm using qemu or something |
| 06:36.17 | AlexW | what is swap |
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| 06:36.21 | GhostlyDeath | can debian Hibernate? |
| 06:36.24 | Supaplex | rpc: simple is divine at times. |
| 06:36.24 | AlexW | they use swap in windows as well correct? |
| 06:36.25 | stoned | mfrisch: exactly |
| 06:36.30 | Tallu | GhostlyDeath: sure |
| 06:36.31 | Kevin` | GhostlyDeath yes |
| 06:36.32 | GhostlyDeath | AlexW, Virtual memory |
| 06:36.44 | GhostlyDeath | AlexW, Swap in 9x but Paging in NT |
| 06:36.46 | AlexW | but is it precisley as fast as ram? |
| 06:36.49 | GhostlyDeath | they are the same thing though |
| 06:36.51 | GhostlyDeath | no |
| 06:36.55 | GhostlyDeath | Swap/Page is slower |
| 06:36.58 | GhostlyDeath | uses the hard disk |
| 06:37.06 | GhostlyDeath | (or other respectible swap device) |
| 06:37.15 | GhostlyDeath | Just don't use swap on a slow drive, that's all |
| 06:37.19 | Kevin` | it's many times slower |
| 06:37.30 | stoned | I put swap on a different hdd |
| 06:37.34 | GhostlyDeath | NO FLASH MEDIA AND NO TAPE DRIVES |
| 06:37.39 | rpc | Supaplex true. true. |
| 06:37.42 | stoned | also no CAPS |
| 06:37.46 | stoned | cut it out |
| 06:37.58 | AlexW | i have a 4gb paging file :PO |
| 06:38.02 | Supaplex | AlexW: ram >>>>>>>> swap (huge difference in speed) |
| 06:38.05 | AlexW | stupid windows |
| 06:38.06 | GhostlyDeath | That's too big |
| 06:38.15 | GhostlyDeath | RAM also has direct access |
| 06:38.18 | GhostlyDeath | well |
| 06:38.22 | GhostlyDeath | the processor does |
| 06:38.25 | AlexW | so what would be needed to put into swap |
| 06:38.34 | AlexW | is it for hibernation and standby? |
| 06:38.58 | GhostlyDeath | WHere do I go for hibernation? |
| 06:39.03 | Supaplex | the kernel decides. if disk caching outweighs keeping programs in memory, it'll swap idle tasks out to streamline disk access. |
| 06:39.08 | mfrisch | no it's for extra cache |
| 06:39.09 | Supaplex | a deep cave |
| 06:39.11 | stoned | acpi |
| 06:39.15 | stoned | lol |
| 06:39.24 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 06:39.28 | GhostlyDeath | Where though? |
| 06:39.32 | GhostlyDeath | WHat continent? |
| 06:39.37 | stoned | pick one |
| 06:39.43 | tuvwx | what is a good lightweight gtk web browser? most importantly: low memory |
| 06:39.45 | stoned | caves are formed all over the planet |
| 06:39.47 | Supaplex | one with free cable, duh! |
| 06:39.49 | stoned | tuvwx: dillo |
| 06:39.52 | GhostlyDeath | Can I google "Human Hibernation Caves"? |
| 06:39.55 | stoned | tuvwx: er.. not sure if its gtk |
| 06:40.00 | Kevin` | dillo is annoying :/ |
| 06:40.13 | Supaplex | !start a ua war |
| 06:40.16 | GhostlyDeath | "Your search - "Human Hibernation Caves" - did not match any documents." |
| 06:40.25 | Supaplex | !start a web browser war |
| 06:40.33 | Supaplex | *shrug* |
| 06:40.33 | GhostlyDeath | I use IE on Windows |
| 06:40.39 | stoned | ugh |
| 06:40.41 | GhostlyDeath | and Epiphiny on Linux |
| 06:40.41 | hark | !start a browser war |
| 06:40.42 | dpkg | lynx is more useful than w3m! |
| 06:40.45 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: get the fuck outta here man |
| 06:40.48 | stoned | :/ |
| 06:40.49 | stoned | lol |
| 06:40.55 | Supaplex | IE is on crack, not just windows. |
| 06:40.55 | stoned | oh |
| 06:40.57 | Kevin` | I can't stand IE on windows |
| 06:41.02 | GhostlyDeath | Firefox is broke with mIRC |
| 06:41.05 | stoned | tuvwx: you could try links2 and start links2 -g |
| 06:41.07 | stoned | graphical mode |
| 06:41.08 | Supaplex | !kill MSIE |
| 06:41.21 | Kevin` | you use mIRC too? :o |
| 06:41.22 | Supaplex | yay! the IE carnage! |
| 06:41.32 | rpc | lmao @ hark |
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| 06:41.48 | GhostlyDeath | Kevin`, only on Windows |
| 06:41.56 | rpc | w3m > IE |
| 06:42.02 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 06:42.16 | Supaplex | netcat and a rabbit dog is better then IE |
| 06:42.16 | hark | you can use irssi and xchat on windows as well... |
| 06:42.19 | Supaplex | rabbid* |
| 06:42.32 | GhostlyDeath | Imagine this: "http://www.microsoft.com/products.aspx?name=internetexplorer?platform=linux" |
| 06:42.34 | rpc | Supaplex tcpkill ;) |
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| 06:42.36 | mfrisch | I've been trying to get ie6 running through wine no luck |
| 06:42.38 | dserban | any way i can force a file off a scratched cd? ie... keep trying until it gets it? |
| 06:42.39 | dserban | :s |
| 06:42.53 | Supaplex | mfrisch: it's by design ;) |
| 06:42.57 | octoberdan | Is there a p2p file sharing program better then Limewire for linux? |
| 06:43.00 | GhostlyDeath | well, it is a fact that IE > Netscape |
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| 06:43.05 | stoned | frostwire |
| 06:43.08 | stoned | .com |
| 06:43.12 | rpc | octoberdan never tried to run emule on linux? |
| 06:43.20 | rpc | forget limewire crap |
| 06:43.30 | Supaplex | !gift |
| 06:43.30 | dpkg | i heard gift is a modular peer-to-peer file sharing daemon, with plugins for OpenFT and Gnutella, and others unofficially (including FastTrack). Now in sid! ubersimple! See also gift.sourceforge.net and channels #gift and #gift-fasttrack. |
| 06:43.33 | GhostlyDeath | warezer! |
| 06:43.35 | rpc | for all your linux isos install amule :) |
| 06:43.43 | stoned | for porn. umm |
| 06:43.45 | hark | !list GhostlyDeath |
| 06:43.45 | stoned | well |
| 06:43.49 | rpc | oh hm Supaplex |
| 06:43.50 | stoned | I shush |
| 06:43.54 | rpc | lol |
| 06:43.57 | GhostlyDeath | !list hark |
| 06:44.01 | stoned | yo |
| 06:44.07 | stoned | !abuse GhostlyDeath |
| 06:44.08 | dpkg | GhostlyDeath: Your type *really* makes me puke! |
| 06:44.09 | hark | GhostlyDeath: no just !list ;) |
| 06:44.15 | hark | !rape |
| 06:44.19 | GhostlyDeath | !list ;) |
| 06:44.25 | stoned | !stfu |
| 06:44.26 | dpkg | methinks stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 06:44.30 | stoned | all ya'll |
| 06:44.48 | eshaase | my system is setup (default) to install 'stable' packages using apt-get, how do i go about installing specific 'testing' packages but only for certain packages like xorg and vim |
| 06:44.51 | octoberdan | The channel erupted for a moment, hehe, thanks for the info |
| 06:45.00 | hark | !bot abuse |
| 06:45.00 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 06:45.02 | stoned | !tell eshaase about backports |
| 06:45.03 | GhostlyDeath | How do I hibernate in Debian using GNOME? |
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| 06:45.12 | stoned | !tell eshaase about simple sid backport |
| 06:45.18 | stoned | !bpo |
| 06:45.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 06:45.22 | eshaase | stoned: thanks! |
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| 06:45.25 | stoned | yw |
| 06:45.28 | rpc | hm i love vbox |
| 06:45.50 | rpc | and 7 days ago i had no clue it existed... |
| 06:46.05 | stoned | if it is prepared by DDs, when how come it is unofficial? |
| 06:46.10 | stoned | just curious |
| 06:46.12 | rpc | my life will never be the same again... |
| 06:46.17 | eshaase | stoned: would you recommend having my system be completely stable or testing as opposed to a mixture? |
| 06:46.25 | GhostlyDeath | How can I play Starcraft under Linux? |
| 06:46.26 | stoned | eshaase: depends on your needs |
| 06:46.29 | hark | rpc: virtualbox? |
| 06:46.34 | stoned | eshaase: sounds to me like you're wanting a desktop system |
| 06:46.35 | rpc | yes hark |
| 06:46.48 | hark | rpc: it's not yet in Debian though... |
| 06:46.49 | rpc | eshaase go for etch |
| 06:46.49 | stoned | eshaase: if you plan on running services or critical stuff, don't use anything but stable |
| 06:46.52 | tuvwx | mfrisch, http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page |
| 06:46.53 | rpc | hark it is |
| 06:47.04 | stoned | eshaase: for a desktop user, go with etch |
| 06:47.07 | rpc | hark apt-get install virtualbox |
| 06:47.18 | GhostlyDeath | stoned, what about laptop? |
| 06:47.26 | stoned | GhostlyDeath: what about laptop? |
| 06:47.27 | hark | !info virtualbox sid |
| 06:47.31 | GhostlyDeath | etch |
| 06:47.32 | eshaase | stoned: well i want a solid stable base system which is why i just installed 'stable' base, but i'd like to use newer versions of high-layer software like xorg, vim, firefox, etc. |
| 06:47.35 | rpc | etch only |
| 06:47.42 | hark | !info virtualbox etch |
| 06:47.47 | stoned | eshaase: backports then |
| 06:48.08 | mfrisch | tuvwx: thats bull it's stripped and windows media player wouldn't work |
| 06:48.10 | stoned | eshaase: even then backports are not gauranteed to be fully stable or reliable in security as they are not from stable main |
| 06:48.10 | hark | rpc: nope ;) |
| 06:48.16 | eshaase | maybe i should consider etch, how stable is it a desktop system? |
| 06:48.33 | stoned | more than any other linux distro I've ever used personally |
| 06:48.35 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 06:48.35 | eshaase | *as a desktop system |
| 06:48.40 | stoned | fairly stable |
| 06:48.43 | stoned | you should be alright with it |
| 06:49.04 | stoned | eshaase: etch is almost almost out too |
| 06:49.05 | eshaase | etch = 'unstable'? |
| 06:49.07 | stoned | so its fairly stable |
| 06:49.12 | stoned | eshaase: /msg dpkg release history |
| 06:49.14 | haggz | eshaase: etch is testing, about to be stable |
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| 06:49.22 | Kvant | sid = unstable |
| 06:49.36 | eshaase | excuse my ignorance but i'm still getting a feel for 'stable', 'testing' and 'unstable' |
| 06:49.47 | eshaase | ahhh, ok, thanks |
| 06:50.01 | stoned | eshaase: talk to the bot with the words I gave you |
| 06:50.03 | hark | eshaase: /msg dpkg releases |
| 06:50.10 | eshaase | ok |
| 06:50.21 | stoned | eshaase: also /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 06:50.43 | eshaase | ok, jsut did all of those, i'll read them |
| 06:51.22 | stoned | beers |
| 06:51.23 | stoned | brb |
| 06:51.23 | eshaase | last question, what type of kernel does etch use? is it one of those kernels that automatically detects your hardware at boot or one that has to be configured specifically? |
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| 06:52.01 | eshaase | i get a feel that theres some auto-detection with the stable kernel |
| 06:52.37 | haggz | eshaase: etch initially uses a generic 2.6.18.3 and yes it has quite a bit of autodetection |
| 06:53.35 | eshaase | ok, thanks a lot for your time guys, appreciate it! |
| 06:54.14 | haggz | eshaase: i recommend trying the latest daily build of the etch netinstall cd, the rc1 netinst is outdated and hangs at 5% according to many people who show up here wondering about it. |
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| 06:54.52 | mfrisch | haggz: I haven't gotten one of those to work |
| 06:54.55 | eshaase | haggz: ahh man, the netinst cd i have won't do etch? |
| 06:55.01 | crm_ | hi.. when you install something configurable from aptitude it runs some sort of configure procedure |
| 06:55.16 | crm_ | is there a way to re-run that procedure after install? |
| 06:55.20 | Supaplex | crm_: and you want dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 06:55.20 | hark | dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 06:55.34 | haggz | mfrisch: hmm I'm on a system installed from the net-inst daily build about a week or so ao |
| 06:55.48 | crm_ | hrm.. was just trying that Supaplex .. lemme see |
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| 06:56.11 | haggz | eshaase: I believe you said you installed stable/sarge -- in which case you need a different install CD for Etch |
| 06:56.22 | haggz | eshaase: although you could try dist-upgrading i guess |
| 06:56.36 | mfrisch | haggz: I've burned a couple having to goto the rc1 after. Won't even boot. AMD64 |
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| 06:56.42 | crm_ | ahh.. i was using dpkg -reconfigure thinking it was a flag |
| 06:56.47 | crm_ | ta |
| 06:56.48 | eshaase | haggz: i'll download a new netinst, np |
| 06:56.51 | eshaase | haggz: thanks again |
| 06:57.15 | eshaase | its honestly a relief coming from gentoo, my install only took 20 minutes =) |
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| 06:58.39 | haggz | mfrisch: hmm did you do a relatively full install before reboot? I have had better results using the netinst for a minimal install, then apt-getting the rest of my system piece by piece, I like the control anyway. |
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| 06:59.38 | mfrisch | haggz: I use netinstall rc1 it won't do tasksel anymore then install base+system |
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| 06:59.45 | TheZanke | clear |
| 06:59.50 | AlexW | stoned: are you sure yukon 2 works with etch |
| 06:59.51 | TheZanke | lol oops |
| 07:00.02 | Marupa | hey, got a weird problem, trying to get php working after I screwed it up...I go to surf to a php page and it tries to download the source. |
| 07:00.25 | haggz | mfrisch: hopefully all this flakiness will be resolved with rc2 which should be along very soon since the new installer is basically ready, according to a link I read. |
| 07:00.32 | TheZanke | Kevin`: Thank you for all your help but when i dist upgraded it screwed up my whole install but i just reinstalled into testing/etch |
| 07:00.39 | Supaplex | Marupa: any php page, or your own? |
| 07:00.43 | Marupa | my own. |
| 07:00.49 | TheZanke | Kevin`: Thanks for all your help previously |
| 07:00.55 | Kevin` | np |
| 07:01.00 | Kevin` | screwed up the install? |
| 07:01.02 | Supaplex | Marupa: on apache? |
| 07:01.06 | Marupa | apache2 |
| 07:01.36 | hark | Marupa: a2enmod php# |
| 07:01.39 | Supaplex | Marupa: see the .htaccess stuff for the php setup on http://www.surfthe.us/reference/ |
| 07:01.40 | TheZanke | May i ask.... wtf is Iceweasel? |
| 07:01.41 | Marupa | imagecreatefromjpeg was working, then suddenly quit after I did a apt-get upgrade, it quit. |
| 07:01.56 | Marupa | 'this module does not exist' |
| 07:01.59 | haggz | !iceweasel |
| 07:01.59 | dpkg | [iceweasel] the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 07:02.35 | TheZanke | !why iceweasel |
| 07:02.35 | dpkg | why iceweasel is, like, debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 07:02.43 | TheZanke | ah |
| 07:02.44 | TheZanke | gotch |
| 07:02.45 | TheZanke | a |
| 07:02.47 | Marupa | Supaplex, that's not going to help if it's not even parsing them. |
| 07:02.51 | TheZanke | Thank you. |
| 07:02.58 | mfrisch | haggz: well a newbie doesn't need it right now...I made it through. If you installed base from disk one you probally wouldn't have any problems |
| 07:03.05 | hark | Marupa: if php5, then a2enmod php5 |
| 07:03.11 | Supaplex | Marupa: do they parse if you call it from the commandline? |
| 07:03.29 | stoned | ok |
| 07:03.30 | Marupa | 'This module is already enabled!' |
| 07:03.36 | Marupa | not sure hwo to, supaplex. |
| 07:03.37 | stoned | so I went and bought some Heineken |
| 07:03.43 | stoned | i do not know why |
| 07:03.50 | stoned | lets try it out |
| 07:04.01 | stoned | lets find out of expensive beer is good beer or not |
| 07:04.06 | stoned | here goes nothing |
| 07:04.12 | haggz | !beer |
| 07:04.13 | dpkg | i guess beer is liquid gold mate |
| 07:04.40 | stoned | mmmm |
| 07:04.47 | stoned | refreshing |
| 07:05.04 | Supaplex | Marupa: Check the AddType and Action directives in your apache config |
| 07:05.24 | Supaplex | Marupa: http://www.surfthe.us/reference/cgi.html#htaccess |
| 07:05.53 | Supaplex | without it, apache just treats it like the "default" mimetype, and acts on it like text/html (thus diverting any need to parse it) |
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| 07:06.47 | Supaplex | and while it says .htaccess, you can put any of that in a <directory> container. follow the links to the apache site for verbose documentation on each directive. |
| 07:07.03 | AlexW | stoned: are you sure yukon 2 works with etch |
| 07:07.20 | stoned | AlexW: eys |
| 07:07.21 | stoned | hold on |
| 07:07.24 | Marupa | Supaplex, AddType is already set. |
| 07:07.49 | stoned | 04:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 4364 (rev 12) |
| 07:07.56 | hark | it should be.. by default |
| 07:08.03 | stoned | AlexW: says unknown device, but I'm here right :) |
| 07:08.06 | scv | who has a yukon 2 nic here? |
| 07:08.09 | Supaplex | Marupa: what about action? you're not using php as a cgi, right? |
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| 07:08.34 | Kevin` | stoned the names database is seperate from the ids the drivers will actually bind to |
| 07:08.50 | stoned | well. per my motherboard |
| 07:08.55 | stoned | I have marvel yukon |
| 07:09.02 | stoned | it works with sky2 driver |
| 07:09.19 | scv | stoned, what braand is your mobo? |
| 07:09.33 | stoned | GA 965P S3 (Bigabyte) |
| 07:09.38 | stoned | Giga* |
| 07:09.46 | hark | Marupa: hmm, restart apache2 and browser. Try with a simple phpinfo() first. |
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| 07:10.06 | Marupa | hark: it doesn't _PARSE_ I'm getting a raw php. |
| 07:10.15 | hark | ah |
| 07:10.20 | Marupa | like, firefox is downloading a .php file. |
| 07:10.22 | stoned | Marupa: uncomment AddType lines for php in httpd.conf |
| 07:10.33 | Marupa | already did. |
| 07:10.41 | stoned | restarted apache? |
| 07:10.45 | stoned | is php installed? |
| 07:11.03 | Marupa | yes, yes. |
| 07:11.14 | Supaplex | use perl instead. ;) |
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| 07:11.20 | Kevin` | heh |
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| 07:15.06 | Marupa | not an option at this point. |
| 07:15.47 | mfrisch | apache_php_mod |
| 07:16.41 | Marupa | what, mfrisch? |
| 07:17.17 | mfrisch | do you have the apache php mod |
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| 07:18.28 | Supaplex | !fix PHP |
| 07:18.50 | hark | !install php |
| 07:18.51 | dpkg | To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2enmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. To install php5, use the same instructions but with php5 instead of php4. |
| 07:19.53 | Marupa | hark: THat hasn't helped, for the third time. |
| 07:19.59 | hark | should just work, unless you did some changes to the conf file |
| 07:20.36 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 07:20.36 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, restart your browser. |
| 07:21.01 | AlexW | i like this latest debian |
| 07:21.05 | AlexW | GUI Installer (Y) |
| 07:21.53 | Marupa | liable: Is there a way to start a new session in tab mix plus? |
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| 07:23.58 | liable | huh? |
| 07:24.10 | Marupa | nevermind. |
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| 07:26.04 | AlexW | My installer has frozen |
| 07:26.28 | AlexW | Its just sitting there saying Configuring Please Wait |
| 07:26.43 | AlexW | and in CTRL+ALT+F4 it says please enter yes or no to continute |
| 07:26.52 | AlexW | but in F5 there is no box asking yes or no |
| 07:27.53 | liable | so type yes in tty4 |
| 07:28.00 | AlexW | doesnt work |
| 07:28.10 | AlexW | can i restart the tool? |
| 07:28.26 | enouf | 5% issue? |
| 07:28.28 | Guerin | AlexW: rc1? |
| 07:29.44 | AlexW | yeah |
| 07:30.21 | AlexW | Debian 4.1.1-13 |
| 07:30.29 | AlexW | 2.6.17-2-486 |
| 07:30.56 | rpc | folks, i cannot start the ssh daemon... it says it's running while it doesn't listen on the specified port, wtf? |
| 07:30.57 | enouf | ahh .. the Cabal finally left .. now I can carry out my "!any idea" :-p |
| 07:31.04 | AlexW | ahh i just killed the process |
| 07:31.06 | AlexW | that worked :P |
| 07:32.52 | Supaplex | rpc: how's restart work? |
| 07:32.59 | rpc | nope :/ |
| 07:33.10 | rpc | wtf has happened in there is beyond my imagination |
| 07:33.24 | rpc | i just can't fire up ssh daemon |
| 07:34.22 | Supaplex | it dunna like you |
| 07:34.51 | haggz | !imagination |
| 07:34.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, imagination is the minds way of rebuilding things its already seen together. Nothing out of the ordinary can come in the imagination since it would there for succeed its barrier. |
| 07:35.31 | enouf | engrish! |
| 07:36.15 | liable | that comment made my brain hurt |
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| 07:38.37 | crazy_penguin | Good morning! |
| 07:38.53 | hark | Does vpnc support IPSec over TCP? or does anyone know of an alternative? |
| 07:38.56 | Supaplex | morning?! where? who authorized it?! |
| 07:38.57 | enouf | wearing a white suit? |
| 07:39.16 | enouf | crazy tux you |
| 07:39.31 | Wyzard | hark: IPSec operates below the level of TCP |
| 07:39.40 | Supaplex | enouf: ferril and rabbid are at work. |
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| 07:40.39 | hark | Wyzard: i have to tunnel it over TCP, but it does it over UDP by default. |
| 07:40.55 | AlexW | Do you want to ignore this error and proceed anyway? |
| 07:40.56 | hark | can't find any options for that |
| 07:41.08 | AlexW | To continue enter "yes" to abort enter "no |
| 07:41.12 | AlexW | how do i enter yes/no |
| 07:41.33 | Wyzard | hark: You don't tunnel IPSec over TCP or UDP... IPSec secures the underlying IP packets, regardless of whether they contain TCP, UDP, ICMP, or whatever else. |
| 07:41.34 | AlexW | this is in tty4 |
| 07:42.14 | liable | via the keyboard would be my guess |
| 07:42.43 | AlexW | i tried |
| 07:42.46 | AlexW | achieves nothing |
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| 07:44.12 | hark | Wyzard: hmm, moment.. |
| 07:44.47 | tuvwx | what used to take half my swap space is now taking half my physical memory only: replaced gnome -> xfce, thunderbird -> sylpheed-claws-gtk2, firefox -> ??? |
| 07:45.00 | rpc | Supaplex i spotted the damn problem.. eth0 went down lol |
| 07:45.04 | scanf | I have configured an wifi-ethernet bridge on my deb box using brctl. I can see MACs from both sides, but tcpip from only the ethernet iface. What iS WRONG? |
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| 07:45.31 | Supaplex | rpc: hehe. |
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| 07:45.41 | rpc | Supaplex now i want to know WHY :) |
| 07:46.03 | Supaplex | scanf: /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 07:46.34 | Supaplex | rpc: operator error reading device con, abort, retry, fail? |
| 07:46.38 | Supaplex | :P |
| 07:46.47 | scanf | Supaplex: checking.... |
| 07:47.30 | Supaplex | scanf: are you using monitor mode? |
| 07:47.39 | scanf | sorry |
| 07:47.49 | Supaplex | managed? |
| 07:47.59 | sparr | how can i tell which application is causing ram/swap activity? |
| 07:48.01 | scanf | Supaplex: auto (managed) |
| 07:48.32 | Supaplex | search that readme for managed. you'll see what I'm after. |
| 07:50.10 | scanf | Supaplex: the text "managed" doesn't appear. I'm on Debian sarge stable |
| 07:50.18 | Supaplex | ahh. |
| 07:50.37 | scanf | hmm? |
| 07:50.48 | stoned | hola |
| 07:50.50 | enouf | scanf neither does it etch .. |
| 07:50.51 | crm_ | top |
| 07:50.55 | hark | Wyzard: http://www.imagehosting.us/index.php?action=show&ident=1944239 |
| 07:50.56 | stoned | que pasa |
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| 07:51.42 | enouf | erm neither does it, in etch .. |
| 07:51.46 | Supaplex | scanf: http://rafb.net/p/xtNImn56.html |
| 07:51.57 | crm_ | top doesnt work enouf ? |
| 07:52.01 | stoned | tuvwx: I ran oo.o, full gnome, java, limewire, firefox, movies, azureus etc. you name it on my old desktop |
| 07:52.14 | stoned | tuvwx: 128MB ram, and 866Mhz cpu |
| 07:52.20 | enouf | crm_: no porb here ;-) |
| 07:52.32 | stoned | tuvwx: thats the epitome of patience :) |
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| 07:52.53 | AlexW | i cant stand this error!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:52.58 | stoned | tuvwx: I then went with xfce rtorrent and someo ther smaller stuff |
| 07:52.58 | rpc | hmm... 2.6.17-2-486 <--?! |
| 07:53.11 | AlexW | Do you want to ignore this error and proceed anyway? |
| 07:53.14 | AlexW | To continue enter "yes" to abort enter "no |
| 07:53.15 | stoned | tuvwx: it was almost 3 times as fast when i had all that other crap loaded |
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| 07:53.21 | stoned | unloaded* |
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| 07:53.23 | AlexW | theres no input as it is tty4 |
| 07:53.32 | stoned | AlexW: you have an input |
| 07:53.36 | stoned | I mean |
| 07:53.45 | AlexW | where? |
| 07:53.48 | stoned | huh? |
| 07:53.53 | enouf | try <tab> / <spacebar> / <enter> keys, and up/down arrows |
| 07:53.55 | AlexW | there is no input to put yes |
| 07:54.00 | scanf | Supaplex: read it. damn. I am trying to bridge the AP accross the road on the same subnet. what do I do?? |
| 07:54.00 | AlexW | but thats tty1 |
| 07:54.05 | Wyzard | hark: That's apparently a non-standard Cisco thing |
| 07:54.06 | stoned | AlexW: what the problem |
| 07:54.12 | stoned | is* |
| 07:54.15 | AlexW | "select and install software" |
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| 07:54.19 | AlexW | "please wait" 5% |
| 07:54.30 | stoned | AlexW: try a full coherent sentence with entire problem |
| 07:54.37 | AlexW | been sitting there for ever |
| 07:54.37 | stoned | I'm having trouble piecing it together on many lines |
| 07:54.40 | gotaku | Why is there no liblame package? I .deb file I want to install needs it... |
| 07:54.43 | Wyzard | hark: where they send IPSec-secured packets in serial form over a TCP connection (which itself is made of packets) |
| 07:54.43 | AlexW | so i looked on tty4 and thats the error |
| 07:54.49 | stoned | AlexW: ohh youre installing |
| 07:54.56 | rpc | for what kind of machines should this kernel be used? 2.6.17-2-486 |
| 07:54.58 | enouf | try a daily image instead |
| 07:55.04 | stoned | AlexW: it is stuck on some installation step? |
| 07:55.07 | Supaplex | scanf: it's a known issue. |
| 07:55.23 | stoned | gotaku: there is liblame in debian |
| 07:55.27 | stoned | lame encoding |
| 07:55.31 | scanf | Supaplex: IC but what are people doing for a solution? |
| 07:55.32 | stoned | !tell gotaku about search |
| 07:55.43 | hark | Wyzard: hmm, damn! I did find this http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~massar/vpnc/ |
| 07:55.59 | hark | it's on the TODO apparently |
| 07:56.11 | stoned | gotaku: liblame0, lame, lame-extras |
| 07:56.18 | stoned | gotaku: if you search, you will find |
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| 07:56.42 | Supaplex | scanf: there's not much in bts. no idea. |
| 07:57.00 | scanf | :? |
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| 07:58.31 | Supaplex | !tell scanf -about bts |
| 07:59.03 | stoned | !dbugs 409472 |
| 07:59.06 | dpkg | #409472:I[libqt4-core] ttf-dejavu: Condensed fonts not working; Sat, 3 Feb 2007 14:18:02 UTC |
| 07:59.28 | stoned | if anyone cares.. I found a workaround for this bug |
| 07:59.38 | stoned | not sure if it is advised to do so like that |
| 07:59.47 | stoned | but it works here.. so its good. |
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| 08:00.07 | scanf | what bug? |
| 08:00.15 | stoned | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409472 |
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| 08:00.19 | AlexW | yeah |
| 08:00.23 | AlexW | stoned: yeah |
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| 08:00.33 | stoned | AlexW: which step? |
| 08:00.38 | stoned | AlexW: downloading packages? or what? |
| 08:00.55 | AlexW | Select and install software |
| 08:00.57 | AlexW | Please wait.. |
| 08:01.03 | stoned | AlexW: hmm |
| 08:01.23 | stoned | sometimes it hangs if the server loses a few packets |
| 08:01.30 | stoned | AlexW: you can always intall stuff later |
| 08:01.37 | stoned | AlexW: go to tty2 and hit inter |
| 08:01.38 | stoned | enter |
| 08:01.40 | stoned | then ps |
| 08:01.43 | stoned | and kill the process |
| 08:01.48 | AlexW | ok |
| 08:01.49 | stoned | you will get a red screen in the debian installer |
| 08:01.52 | stoned | its ok to get it |
| 08:01.57 | stoned | you can go back to that step and try again |
| 08:02.07 | stoned | make sure you kill the right process |
| 08:02.08 | AlexW | which process is it |
| 08:02.09 | hark | you'll be in expert mode then |
| 08:02.14 | AlexW | udpkg? |
| 08:02.16 | stoned | see if you can jsut HUP it |
| 08:02.19 | stoned | im not sure bro |
| 08:03.47 | gotaku | stoned: Ok, I just did a search. Nothing. |
| 08:03.48 | AlexW | ill kill udpjg |
| 08:04.04 | stoned | gotaku: add contrib non-free |
| 08:04.05 | stoned | :) |
| 08:04.19 | stoned | !contrib |
| 08:04.19 | dpkg | well, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free software To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 08:04.48 | gotaku | stoned: I have those added. |
| 08:04.58 | stoned | gotaku: you're on debian? |
| 08:05.04 | stoned | which debian release tree? |
| 08:05.04 | AlexW | The grub package failed to install into /target/ |
| 08:05.10 | AlexW | error after error :P |
| 08:05.14 | stoned | AlexW: hmm |
| 08:05.24 | gotaku | stoned: etch |
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| 08:05.26 | stoned | AlexW: you can go back to that step and try it again |
| 08:05.31 | AlexW | i did |
| 08:05.36 | stoned | !find liblame0 etch |
| 08:05.49 | AlexW | now its just coming up with an error |
| 08:06.11 | stoned | AlexW: try lilo for now.. just boot into debian somehow you can install grub later too |
| 08:06.26 | AlexW | lilo is same error |
| 08:06.29 | AlexW | :P |
| 08:06.31 | stoned | gotaku: search packages.debian.org |
| 08:06.37 | stoned | I use sid and I see it here |
| 08:06.42 | stoned | it should be almost the same as etch |
| 08:07.10 | AlexW | lilo and grub have same error |
| 08:07.14 | stoned | AlexW: man I dunno what to tell you |
| 08:07.17 | AlexW | :P |
| 08:07.22 | stoned | AlexW: is there another boot loader |
| 08:07.25 | gotaku | stoned: Tried that too. |
| 08:07.25 | stoned | on your machine? |
| 08:07.35 | AlexW | grub is already installed |
| 08:07.40 | AlexW | for the old debian |
| 08:07.44 | AlexW | should that still work? |
| 08:08.12 | hark | gotaku: /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 08:08.26 | stoned | hark: liblame is p rovided by marillat? |
| 08:08.33 | stoned | I have his mirror in my sources.list |
| 08:08.43 | stoned | I thought liblame should be in debian |
| 08:08.45 | stoned | hmm |
| 08:08.50 | stoned | strange i did not know this |
| 08:08.53 | hark | stoned: apt-cache policy liblame0 |
| 08:08.57 | stoned | ok |
| 08:09.19 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:09.22 | stoned | i'll be damned |
| 08:09.25 | stoned | hark: thanks bro |
| 08:09.36 | hark | heh |
| 08:10.13 | stoned | AlexW: if you have grub already installed |
| 08:10.18 | stoned | then don't install grub from debian installer |
| 08:10.30 | stoned | AlexW: if you know the name of your kernel file and initrd file |
| 08:10.39 | stoned | you can make another entry in your already existing grub/debian |
| 08:10.54 | AlexW | :| |
| 08:10.58 | AlexW | error 15 :P |
| 08:11.06 | stoned | like hd(X,X) <-- partition which contains the new etch's /boot |
| 08:11.18 | nevyn | so I want a new phone.. I'd like it to have terminal capabilities (I'm a geek ok) and I'd like it to be able to syncronise contacts and calendars with kontact/evo/whatever does anyone have something that works |
| 08:11.25 | stoned | it should have made symlinks to them in /linux /initrd |
| 08:11.26 | stoned | etc. |
| 08:11.51 | stoned | I'm not quite sure.. I don't instal grub on mbr, and I just use my existing boot loader to load the 2.6.18-4 inird/kernel |
| 08:12.51 | stoned | specify root=/dev/drive where new debian installed |
| 08:12.52 | stoned | nevyn: umm.. new phone? |
| 08:12.55 | stoned | brand? |
| 08:13.04 | nevyn | I haven't made a selection yet. |
| 08:13.08 | stoned | hmm |
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| 08:13.26 | stoned | ask #kde which phones or pda's work with kontact/etc. |
| 08:13.27 | AlexW | guess i should give up on debian |
| 08:13.29 | AlexW | and try fedora :P |
| 08:13.30 | stoned | AlexW: nah |
| 08:13.38 | AlexW | ive always loved debian |
| 08:13.45 | stoned | AlexW: only quitters quit |
| 08:13.46 | AlexW | but this laptop honestly dont like it |
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| 08:13.57 | nevyn | stoned: it's not #kde the base tech is opensync (sortof) |
| 08:14.04 | stoned | AlexW: I provided you with the solution |
| 08:14.12 | AlexW | yeah but it came up with error 15 |
| 08:14.19 | clayby | How to do I find what package contains a file (that I need) so I can install that package? |
| 08:14.19 | stoned | nevyn: well I'm not sure bro. I don't/have not used such technology |
| 08:14.28 | stoned | !tell clayby about search |
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| 08:14.33 | stoned | clayby: apt-file |
| 08:14.37 | AlexW | stoned: linux dont have /boot |
| 08:14.41 | stoned | clayby: dpkg -L pkgname |
| 08:14.42 | AlexW | it uses /dev/hda |
| 08:14.57 | clayby | stoned: oh. thanks. |
| 08:15.11 | rpc | hm etch running in virtual machine shows 0% cpu while i can see that the vm process is using 100% of the cpu... wtf is happening this time :/ |
| 08:16.14 | stoned | AlexW: we'll get your debian installed don't worry |
| 08:16.20 | stoned | AlexW: let me think a bit |
| 08:16.30 | AlexW | i just did no to network mirror |
| 08:16.34 | AlexW | and its doing it all right now |
| 08:16.34 | clayby | oh. hm. I asked the wrong quesiton. I'm not to the finding a file point yet. I need to fix a compile problem first: QOutputDevPixmap.cpp:62: error: 'class QImage' has no member named 'reset' |
| 08:16.53 | stoned | clayby: no clue man |
| 08:16.56 | clayby | I think it's some qt4 issue, but I alreay have all the qt4 stuff I can find installed. |
| 08:17.14 | stoned | clayby: try #kde-dev or something |
| 08:17.25 | stoned | ask in #kde for the kde developers chan |
| 08:17.31 | stoned | or try #debian-kde on oftc |
| 08:17.44 | gotaku | Hey, who do I suddenly have "Debian 3.1 Sarge" listed in my repo? |
| 08:17.51 | gotaku | Why |
| 08:17.55 | enouf | cd |
| 08:18.06 | stoned | you can remove it |
| 08:18.15 | AlexW | yeah debian booted now |
| 08:18.22 | AlexW | whats the tool for package management |
| 08:18.24 | stoned | AlexW: so what was the problem |
| 08:18.26 | AlexW | apt-config? |
| 08:18.32 | stoned | !tell AlexW about package basics |
| 08:18.38 | stoned | !tell AlexW about apt how-to |
| 08:18.51 | AlexW | i know about apt! |
| 08:18.58 | AlexW | is it tasksel |
| 08:19.01 | stoned | yes |
| 08:19.05 | stoned | it is |
| 08:19.25 | AlexW | and the tool to configure apt-s oruces |
| 08:19.33 | stoned | its not in etch anymore |
| 08:19.39 | stoned | it is called apt-setup in sarge |
| 08:19.40 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 08:19.41 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 08:20.20 | stoned | oh amn |
| 08:20.24 | stoned | my fucking beer is warm |
| 08:20.30 | stoned | fuck fuckity fuck fuckarooni |
| 08:20.30 | stoned | :/ |
| 08:21.09 | stoned | mp3: Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Gene - Poison |
| 08:21.23 | AlexW | whats its called in etch? |
| 08:21.38 | Tallu | stoned: thats why you drink tequila and whiskey! no need for cooling. |
| 08:21.40 | Guerin | stoned: choon. |
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| 08:21.48 | stoned | choon? |
| 08:21.54 | Guerin | stoned: say it aloud |
| 08:21.57 | stoned | CHOON! |
| 08:22.04 | stoned | umm. why did I say choon Guerin ? |
| 08:22.07 | Guerin | yes, 'tis verily a CHOON |
| 08:22.42 | Guerin | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=choon |
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| 08:23.07 | AlexW | whats the tool to configure apt sources in etch |
| 08:23.24 | Guerin | AlexW: apt-spy |
| 08:23.28 | Tallu | Guerin: ah, hand't heard the term before! |
| 08:23.33 | hark | or netselect-apt |
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| 08:24.03 | AlexW | apt-spy does nto work :P |
| 08:24.11 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 08:24.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 08:24.17 | hark | !sources.list |
| 08:24.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 08:24.32 | hark | s/sarge/etch |
| 08:24.34 | enouf | rtfm! |
| 08:25.37 | AlexW | apt-spy simply is not a command that can be exectued |
| 08:25.52 | AlexW | -bash: apt-spy: command not found :P |
| 08:26.00 | hark | AlexW: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
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| 08:26.12 | hark | !installit |
| 08:26.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 08:26.49 | stoned | apt-get install funny-manpages && man rtfm |
| 08:26.53 | AlexW | lol |
| 08:27.04 | stoned | rtfm is a command for system administrators to use in dealing with new users. |
| 08:27.20 | stoned | rtfm can be invoked by anyone who has enough of a clue to know what a man page is. |
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| 08:28.17 | stoned | ahhhh!!!!! |
| 08:28.20 | stoned | sharmoota |
| 08:28.24 | stoned | brb |
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| 08:30.30 | AlexW2 | hi :P |
| 08:31.00 | scanf | Supaplex or anybody, can I set the mac of a bridged interface? man brctl doesn't say much about it, but my bridge just assumes the ethernet mac. |
| 08:32.23 | stoned | im getting drunk! |
| 08:32.52 | strunk | I could be droned but no |
| 08:32.55 | strunk | I'm more stoned than drunk |
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| 08:33.47 | stew | is because you are more stoned than drunk that you decided to talk to me today? |
| 08:33.54 | strunk | stew: no sir |
| 08:34.07 | strunk | stew: I talk to you all the time. |
| 08:34.11 | strunk | well when I have somethingn to say |
| 08:34.18 | strunk | I don't wanna bother you with nothing |
| 08:34.19 | stew | do you enjoy talking to me? |
| 08:34.22 | strunk | if you perfer I talk to you more I can |
| 08:34.23 | strunk | :) |
| 08:34.29 | strunk | I love talking to you |
| 08:34.32 | strunk | hehe |
| 08:34.58 | stew | strunk: can you help me get fglrx working with xgl in vmware? |
| 08:35.09 | strunk | wow |
| 08:35.11 | strunk | you're aksing me? |
| 08:35.14 | strunk | wow |
| 08:35.16 | strunk | sure man |
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| 08:35.29 | strunk | I just made it work recently |
| 08:35.30 | stew | it says startsx command is not found or something |
| 08:36.21 | strunk | hmm |
| 08:36.30 | hark | heh |
| 08:36.32 | strunk | you can't run startx to run Xgl unless |
| 08:36.44 | strunk | you have a modified script |
| 08:36.53 | strunk | you must start Xgl with certain switches |
| 08:36.56 | stew | ctcp me |
| 08:37.10 | strunk | #!/bin/bash |
| 08:37.10 | strunk | Xgl :1.0 -fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:pbuffer & sleep 3 ; |
| 08:37.13 | strunk | DISPLAY=:1 beryl-xgl --use-copy & sleep 3 ; |
| 08:37.18 | strunk | this my litlte script for starting it |
| 08:37.38 | strunk | ctcp you, with what? |
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| 08:37.45 | strunk | stew: are you messing with me :) ? |
| 08:38.16 | strunk | after that, you can add another command |
| 08:38.24 | strunk | DISPLAY=:1 beryl-manager & sleep 3 ; |
| 08:38.24 | strunk | DISPLAY=:1 xfce4-panel & |
| 08:38.25 | strunk | DISPLAY=:1 xfdesktop & |
| 08:38.27 | stew | no |
| 08:38.28 | strunk | maybe like that? |
| 08:38.28 | stew | stop |
| 08:38.44 | RichiH | stew: thanks for the warning, he left freenode ages ago, though |
| 08:38.53 | strunk | I am confused as the mother fuck |
| 08:39.04 | RichiH | heh |
| 08:39.10 | RichiH | beryl has started to invade debian ;) |
| 08:39.21 | stew | strunk: i was kidding :) |
| 08:39.22 | strunk | hey RichiH |
| 08:39.26 | strunk | stew: i knew it!!1 |
| 08:39.35 | strunk | stew: you know like loads LOADS more than I |
| 08:39.40 | strunk | I was surprised you're asking me for help |
| 08:39.42 | strunk | hehe |
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| 08:40.15 | stew | i probably wouldn't have gotten the startsx one wrong either |
| 08:40.27 | stew | really |
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| 08:42.08 | strunk | mp3: The Mitchell Brothers - Breath of Fresh Attire - Smart Bastard |
| 08:42.11 | strunk | this is dedicatd to stew |
| 08:42.13 | strunk | good song too |
| 08:42.22 | strunk | britich hip hop, 2step uk garage beats |
| 08:42.26 | strunk | british* |
| 08:42.42 | strunk | mike skinner's lable |
| 08:42.44 | strunk | check it out |
| 08:43.15 | strunk | the-streets-co.uk |
| 08:45.27 | stew | used to say boh now we say boo |
| 08:45.36 | strunk | tee hee |
| 08:46.29 | strunk | all of a sudden its dead in here |
| 08:46.45 | strunk | i'll get something started |
| 08:46.51 | strunk | Debian SUCKS!!! |
| 08:48.02 | strunk | well that didn't work |
| 08:48.24 | scanf | Supaplex: I just want to tell you that changing the mac address to the same as the bridge/ethernet card is a working hack until I hear something better. |
| 08:49.49 | strunk | I got the poison |
| 08:49.49 | strunk | I got the remedy |
| 08:50.17 | strunk | I got the pulsating rhythmical remedy |
| 08:51.05 | strunk | flame broiled chicken and cold beer |
| 08:51.11 | strunk | heaven! |
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| 08:52.19 | LLcoolM | strunk: stfu |
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| 08:52.25 | strunk | :( |
| 08:52.34 | strunk | llcoolj was a fag |
| 08:52.37 | strunk | just so you know. |
| 08:53.01 | LLcoolM | strunk: dunno, dont care. |
| 08:53.09 | strunk | try /ignore stoned |
| 08:53.16 | LLcoolM | i change my nick every 4-6 months :) |
| 08:54.40 | strunk | oh |
| 08:54.44 | LLcoolM | so sometimes a stupid nick like this one goto hold |
| 08:54.45 | strunk | imean /ignore strunk |
| 08:55.44 | LLcoolM | done |
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| 08:57.29 | Makara_ | I have problem with linux route anyone can help? |
| 08:57.52 | Makara_ | I have 2 internet connection. 1 for all trafice and 2 for mail |
| 08:58.12 | stew | !split access |
| 08:58.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 08:58.24 | stew | maybe? |
| 08:58.28 | Makara_ | but for mail it doesn't work |
| 08:58.40 | Makara_ | I have problem with routing I guess |
| 09:00.24 | AlexW2 | how do i change stable -> testing |
| 09:00.27 | AlexW2 | in etch |
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| 09:00.44 | strunk | !sarge->etch |
| 09:00.44 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 09:01.09 | AlexW2 | im in etch |
| 09:01.18 | AlexW2 | im trying to install ndis wrapper |
| 09:01.27 | strunk | AlexW2: no clue, never used ndis |
| 09:01.38 | AlexW2 | hrrm |
| 09:01.49 | strunk | but i'm not the only one here :) |
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| 09:02.00 | AlexW2 | whats the main gnome package? :P |
| 09:02.21 | strunk | gnome-desktop-enviroment |
| 09:02.25 | strunk | or apt-get install gnome |
| 09:02.43 | strunk | or gnome-core for minimal gnome |
| 09:02.49 | strunk | then you can add the apps you want |
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| 09:05.02 | strunk | does anyone know how to enable spell checking in irssi |
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| 09:06.20 | strunk | I can do simple word replacing but I have to specify all the words myself |
| 09:06.46 | strunk | I want something like an xchat underline in red functionality on misspelled words |
| 09:06.55 | strunk | please advise. |
| 09:07.49 | Grub_Now | look for a script |
| 09:08.25 | strunk | ok |
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| 09:18.49 | stoned | modem. |
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| 09:24.36 | stoned | mmmm more chicken and potato salad |
| 09:25.50 | pink1 | !chicken |
| 09:25.50 | dpkg | hmm... chicken is what ody puts his dick into |
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| 09:26.06 | stoned | umm |
| 09:26.09 | stoned | sick |
| 09:26.13 | stoned | oh oh oh |
| 09:26.25 | stoned | have you seen the 2nd Rob Zombie movie |
| 09:26.30 | stoned | The Devil's Rejects |
| 09:26.33 | pink1 | !potatoe |
| 09:26.33 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
| 09:26.49 | pink1 | !potato |
| 09:26.49 | dpkg | i heard potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 09:26.53 | stoned | there is a redneck in tht movie selling chickens, and he goes to great legnth about how to fuck a chicken |
| 09:26.56 | pink1 | lmao |
| 09:26.58 | stoned | its hilarious |
| 09:26.59 | stoned | lol |
| 09:27.27 | hark | !factinfo chicken |
| 09:27.27 | dpkg | chicken -- created by ax7 <ax7@66-27-50-36.san.rr.com> at Sat Apr 28 05:57:16 2001 (2114 days); it has been requested 37 times, last by pink1, 1m 37s ago. |
| 09:27.43 | stoned | dpkg remove chicken |
| 09:27.47 | stoned | hehe |
| 09:27.52 | hark | ha |
| 09:28.42 | pink1 | !chick |
| 09:28.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chick is beeyotch |
| 09:29.25 | Grub_Now | !greenhouse |
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| 09:29.26 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 09:29.29 | AlexW2 | wireless mouses will work on debian right? |
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| 09:29.35 | AlexW2 | wireless mice* |
| 09:29.40 | Kevin` | lol |
| 09:30.10 | Grub_Now | !factinfo greenhouse |
| 09:30.10 | dpkg | greenhouse -- created by cthulfuego <~cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au> at Tue Feb 8 22:39:40 2005 (731 days); it has been requested 221 times, last by Grub_Now, 44s ago. |
| 09:30.12 | h3xis | oh my god |
| 09:30.13 | h3xis | zzap |
| 09:30.18 | h3xis | ive broken my last.fm |
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| 09:30.23 | Grub_Now | broken? |
| 09:30.51 | Kevin` | doesn't last.fm need some annoying binary client? :/ |
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| 09:30.55 | Techdeck | Hello guys, would you recommend debian testing for a production server? I'd use stable but some packages are not as up-to-date as needed and I was wondering if testing is in a good-enough shape to use for such servers |
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| 09:31.42 | pink1 | Techdeck: if your production server needs to be stable - then use stable;-) |
| 09:31.53 | dondelelcaro | Techdeck: I don't use testing on my production servers, and backport the specific packages that I need. |
| 09:32.01 | AlexW | !greenhouse |
| 09:32.01 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 09:32.02 | pink1 | you can backport any newer pkgs you might need |
| 09:32.12 | AlexW | :P |
| 09:32.26 | Techdeck | ah I see, that's a good idea, but do you really think testing is not reliable enough? |
| 09:32.54 | pink1 | Techdeck: there's a clue in the name ;-) |
| 09:33.05 | dondelelcaro | Techdeck: it changes all the time, doesn't always have security support, and isn't a target that you can reliably QA. |
| 09:33.09 | AlexW | !chicken |
| 09:33.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, chicken is what ody puts his dick into |
| 09:33.16 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: forget chicken |
| 09:33.16 | dpkg | i forgot chicken, dondelelcaro |
| 09:33.20 | Techdeck | I see, okay, thanks for the info! |
| 09:33.21 | Tallu | Techdeck: well, if you use testing you have to be ready for things to break. they might not, but it doesnt mean they wont |
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| 09:33.50 | AlexW | whats the tool to configure x-server |
| 09:33.55 | pink1 | Techdeck: I use stable and backport things like php5 |
| 09:34.08 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 09:34.11 | Techdeck | how do you backport exactly? |
| 09:34.25 | Techdeck | you simply compile it on another test box, make a .deb of it and then move that .deb to the other box? |
| 09:34.27 | dondelelcaro | Techdeck: you don't need to, generally speaking. You should be using backports.org for most stuff. |
| 09:34.36 | dondelelcaro | Techdeck: no, it's more complicated than that. |
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| 09:34.51 | dondelelcaro | !simple backport |
| 09:34.51 | Techdeck | elaborate please |
| 09:35.14 | AlexW | whats the package name |
| 09:35.19 | dondelelcaro | !easy sid backport |
| 09:35.19 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 09:35.26 | dondelelcaro | !drxx |
| 09:35.27 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 09:36.09 | Techdeck | ah thank you, by the way, who said the packages in backports.org are reliable? (more than testings for instance) |
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| 09:36.35 | AlexW | lol :$ neither are installed :P |
| 09:36.49 | Kevin` | it's not that they would be more reliable then etch's, it's versions of the software compiled for sarge |
| 09:36.51 | dondelelcaro | Techdeck: no one does; presumably since you need the newer version, you've tested them yourself. |
| 09:36.52 | sepski | Techdeck, nobody-. they are after all backports. and may require manual configuration and whatsnots |
| 09:37.29 | Techdeck | gotcha, thanks again |
| 09:37.46 | hark | AlexW: how did you install X? |
| 09:37.58 | AlexW | I just went apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:38.16 | hark | AlexW: if etch, install xorg |
| 09:38.31 | hark | aptitude install xorg |
| 09:38.48 | unop | has anyone here managed to get a debian base installed on cygwin/win32 (w32) ? |
| 09:39.24 | hark | unop: there was a project, but i don't think it's being developed anymore.. |
| 09:39.37 | hark | you can use colinux though |
| 09:40.35 | hark | unop: http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:40.39 | unop | hark, well, i've managed to get dpkg installed -- but when trying to get debian packages installed i get an error about the packages architecture (i386) not matching the system's (w32) |
| 09:41.21 | AlexW | !greenhouse |
| 09:41.22 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 09:41.38 | dondelelcaro | AlexW: please stop with the useless factoids |
| 09:41.43 | AlexW | ok |
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| 09:43.21 | unop | would someone have a suggestion on this? http://pastebin.ca/348692 |
| 09:44.10 | gimmon | i have set up a server in a wlan. a host in the wlan can access it but not a host in another wlan. have i missed out something? |
| 09:44.40 | Kevin` | gimmon probably your routing is not set up properly |
| 09:44.56 | gimmon | what to check? |
| 09:45.00 | Grub_Now | route |
| 09:45.23 | Kevin` | gimmon this is something that is highly dependent on your exact situation |
| 09:45.36 | Kevin` | gimmon if there's a single router between the two wlans, check it's configuratino |
| 09:46.09 | Kevin` | if it's linked like a "triangle", if that makes any sense, you probably have to make some changes on the hosts |
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| 09:46.45 | AlexW | how do i work out what my video card driver is? |
| 09:46.50 | AlexW | its an Intel in windowsa |
| 09:47.01 | gimmon | no, the two wlans have separate routers. it is like accessing the server from anywhere in the internet. how to check the route? |
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| 09:47.34 | Kevin` | gimmon so the server is accessible from the lan and the internet, but not another network connected to the internet? |
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| 09:48.08 | Kevin` | that wouldn't make much sense |
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| 09:48.20 | Kevin` | if it's accessible from the lan and nowhere else, you probably forgot to add a nat rule to forward traffic to it |
| 09:48.22 | gimmon | Kevin`, i am simulating internet access with a host in another wlan. |
| 09:48.48 | gimmon | a host in another wlan is just like another other host on the internet, right? |
| 09:48.56 | AlexW | :Mobile Intel 940 GML Express Chipset " |
| 09:49.05 | Phil|ZZZzzz | depends how your hardware is connected |
| 09:49.10 | Kevin` | gimmon a wlan is just a wlan, it depends how you set it up. so I can't answer that |
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| 09:50.24 | Kevin` | I wonder what ip would be like if it was designed by microsoft instead of the us DOD |
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| 09:50.48 | Kevin` | oh wait, we already know, netbios |
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| 09:51.55 | gimmon | Kevin`, i have specified forwarding for port 80 to the server in the router. isn't it enough? |
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| 09:52.44 | Kevin` | should be |
| 09:52.46 | Phil4 | gimmon: it depends on your setup |
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| 09:53.50 | gimmon | Phil4, ok, how to set-up the router so that the server can be accessed fr any internet addr? |
| 09:54.06 | Phil4 | do you have multiple wan IPs? |
| 09:54.40 | Kevin` | gimmon the router has an internet address, right? |
| 09:55.13 | AlexW | linux doesnt output very good graphics does it :P |
| 09:55.22 | Kevin` | um |
| 09:55.23 | Kevin` | what? |
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| 09:55.38 | AlexW | well in windoze i get 1280x800 |
| 09:55.40 | Kevin` | linux outputs graphics just fine |
| 09:55.45 | AlexW | in debian i get 1024x768 |
| 09:55.47 | AlexW | max |
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| 09:56.01 | Kevin` | I have my monitor running at 1600x1200 in linux |
| 09:56.07 | Kevin` | configure your X =p |
| 09:56.13 | AlexW | i tried |
| 09:56.16 | AlexW | im sure its vesa |
| 09:56.25 | AlexW | i cant find i940 |
| 09:56.31 | AlexW | Mobile Intel 940 GML Express Chipset |
| 09:56.46 | Kevin` | intel support should be rather easy, as it's open source |
| 09:56.56 | gimmon | Kevin`, yes, router has a dynamic internet address. |
| 09:57.06 | AlexW | well is there a better driver for that chipset |
| 09:57.21 | Kevin` | AlexW better then vesa? of course. |
| 09:57.26 | hark | AlexW: maybe you need 915resolution.. |
| 09:57.29 | Phil4 | gimmon: how are both routers connected to the internet? through 2 speparate modems? |
| 09:57.36 | Phil4 | *separate |
| 09:57.48 | AlexW | 915? |
| 09:57.54 | gimmon | Phil4, yes. |
| 09:57.58 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 09:58.10 | AlexW | is that a pacjafe |
| 09:58.13 | Kevin` | AlexW gentoo seems to imply there's a 940 specific driver http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Toshiba_Satellite_M105 |
| 09:58.18 | gimmon | Phil4, they are two independent wlans. |
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| 09:58.25 | Phil4 | so, you just have 2 identical setups, i.e. wall-modem-router-PCs/Servers? |
| 09:58.28 | Kevin` | I know, this is debian, but that was the first thing in google ;) |
| 09:58.49 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 09:59.07 | AlexW | VIDEO_CARDS="i810 i915 i940 intel" |
| 09:59.11 | AlexW | i810 will work then i guess |
| 09:59.19 | gimmon | Phil4, i am testing with the help of my neighbors, each of us have a wlan. |
| 09:59.28 | Phil4 | ah, ok. gotcha |
| 09:59.52 | Phil4 | so forwarding the port on debian's router should work fine |
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| 10:00.11 | AlexW | lol wtf is iceweasel |
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| 10:00.14 | AlexW | is that meant to be firefox |
| 10:00.19 | streuner | !iceweasel |
| 10:00.20 | dpkg | iceweasel is, like, the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 10:00.20 | hark | AlexW: yes, that's the right one for your card |
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| 10:02.17 | gimmon | Phil4, debian's router? both of us use LINKSYS WRT54G router. |
| 10:02.28 | AlexW | whats the std 15" widescreen |
| 10:02.31 | Phil4 | gimmon: the one debian is connected to |
| 10:02.32 | cokeslut | no |
| 10:02.32 | AlexW | 1280x800 |
| 10:02.39 | Kevin` | some hardware versions of the wrt54g can run linux, fyi |
| 10:02.51 | Kevin` | (well, all of them can, but the newer ones are crap) |
| 10:02.57 | gimmon | Phil4, both of us are running debian. |
| 10:03.14 | Phil4 | lol gimmon. The one you are running the httpd on |
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| 10:05.40 | AlexW | what would be better ndiswrapper of madwifi |
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| 10:06.08 | Kevin` | madwifi is one of the best drivers you can use |
| 10:06.14 | Kevin` | ndiswrapper is.. not |
| 10:06.31 | gimmon | Phil4, my wlan is the one with the server. you mean my router is the one to be be set up for port forwarding, which i have done. |
| 10:06.32 | Kevin` | the former supports just about everything that is possible with wifi |
| 10:06.50 | helmut | Hi. I suspect that debian's version of qemu was compiled without kqemu support. Does someone know how to verify this? |
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| 10:07.43 | dondelelcaro | helmut: you can check the .diff.gz which will tell you what configure flags were used to compile it |
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| 10:08.42 | helmut | dondelelcaro: kqemu isn't explicitly excluded. |
| 10:09.16 | helmut | dondelelcaro: a pdebuild of the experimental (0.9) version shows that configure says it is enabled. |
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| 10:09.49 | helmut | dondelelcaro: however the resulting binary contains the string "kqemu support: not compiled" |
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| 10:10.27 | gimmon | another question. if i want to ssh fr one host in a wlan to another in another wlan, how should the addrs be specified? |
| 10:11.11 | gimmon | each would have a local ip, which is not unique to the internet. |
| 10:11.59 | dondelelcaro | gimmon: you connect to whatever external ip routes to port 22. |
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| 10:13.57 | gimmon | dondelelcaro, how to find that out? |
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| 10:14.13 | xingu | http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi |
| 10:14.16 | xingu | tres cool. |
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| 10:15.04 | Kevin` | is that driver in working condition? |
| 10:15.18 | Kevin` | I could consider getting cards with that if there was no silly deamon |
| 10:15.23 | gimmon | dondelelcaro, the host connect to wlan via dchlient, which only gives the local ip. |
| 10:15.28 | xingu | there is no silly daemon. |
| 10:15.32 | xingu | that's the cool bit |
| 10:15.45 | AlexW | madwifi |
| 10:15.47 | AlexW | is MAD :P |
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| 10:19.10 | Garda | hey guys |
| 10:19.27 | dondelelcaro | gimmon: using whatismyip or some similar service makes it fairly trivial. |
| 10:19.32 | Garda | having trouble setting up encrypted partitions with etch |
| 10:19.37 | Garda | somebody here want to help? |
| 10:21.16 | gimmon | thks guys, going away to read up on networking stuff. |
| 10:21.25 | stoned | http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 10:21.30 | stoned | x_link: ^^ |
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| 10:21.46 | stoned | dpkg debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 10:21.46 | dpkg | stoned: that's too long |
| 10:21.52 | MsgToThePpl | hi how do i update kde above 3.5.0 ? |
| 10:21.55 | AlexW | whats a good graphical based wlan manager? |
| 10:22.01 | stoned | dpkg debgames debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 10:22.01 | dpkg | that's too long, stoned |
| 10:22.01 | AlexW | e.g. for configuring wireless networks |
| 10:22.04 | stoned | fucking pieceo f shit |
| 10:22.12 | stoned | dondelelcaro: help |
| 10:22.38 | x_link | stoned: Hi |
| 10:22.40 | x_link | Thank smate! |
| 10:22.50 | stoned | dpkg: debgames is debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 10:22.50 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 10:22.53 | stoned | nm |
| 10:22.57 | stoned | dondelelcaro: I got it |
| 10:23.06 | stoned | !debgames x_link |
| 10:23.11 | stoned | screw it |
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| 10:23.46 | stoned | !debgames |
| 10:23.46 | dpkg | somebody said debgames was debian games installable by apt-get are listed at http://debianlinux.net/games.html |
| 10:23.49 | stoned | x_link: I like nexuiz |
| 10:23.49 | AlexW | stoned: you use wireless? |
| 10:23.54 | stoned | AlexW: nope |
| 10:23.57 | stoned | dont' like wireless |
| 10:24.02 | AlexW | does anybody use wireless? |
| 10:24.07 | Kevin` | I use wireless |
| 10:24.20 | Phil4 | I do, but not for my Debian box |
| 10:24.22 | AlexW | whats a good tool for configuring wirless networks |
| 10:24.34 | Kevin` | AlexW I use mostly shell scripts :) |
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| 10:24.51 | x_link | stoned: I tried that as well, but it's to fast for me =) |
| 10:24.57 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:25.01 | stoned | hey |
| 10:25.14 | stoned | you know here is a trick to get 3d doom1/2 working on debian for free, legally |
| 10:25.19 | stoned | check it out x_link |
| 10:25.29 | stoned | download and install freedoom |
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| 10:25.34 | stoned | then get jdoom 3d doom engine |
| 10:25.44 | x_link | hrmm ok |
| 10:25.44 | AlexW | where does the config go |
| 10:25.48 | stoned | freedoom is a freeware doom iwad |
| 10:25.51 | x_link | apt-get install freedom ? |
| 10:25.59 | stoned | with diff. graphics than orignal doom |
| 10:26.07 | stoned | cuz its free, so legally they can't used doom graphics |
| 10:26.08 | stoned | but |
| 10:26.16 | stoned | if you use the 3d models provided by jdoom resource pack |
| 10:26.22 | stoned | and use it with the freeware iwad |
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| 10:26.37 | stoned | the whole game ues 3d models that look like original doom |
| 10:26.48 | stoned | so you can have free 3d doom looking graphics legally |
| 10:26.50 | x_link | stoned: Do you know any other shooting game that I can get with apt-get ? |
| 10:26.50 | stoned | its great |
| 10:26.56 | stoned | x_link: check the link |
| 10:27.02 | stoned | all is listed there |
| 10:27.04 | CharminTheMoose | mornin all |
| 10:27.08 | stoned | also happy-penguin.org |
| 10:27.19 | stoned | some of those might provide debian packages |
| 10:27.20 | AlexW | where does the config for madwifi go |
| 10:27.22 | x_link | stoned: I must download those |
| 10:27.26 | CharminTheMoose | stoned: how does that work with free 3d doom looking graphics in legal land? |
| 10:27.38 | stoned | CharminTheMoose: I just explained it |
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| 10:28.12 | haggz | part #debian |
| 10:28.18 | haggz | lol... |
| 10:28.26 | stoned | CharminTheMoose: freedom == doom iwad with free graphics artowork. jdoom resource pack takes those sprites (doesn't matter if they are free artwork or original doom artwork) and turns them into 3d models that look like 3d versios of original doom grapihcs |
| 10:28.38 | stoned | x_link: freedoom is in apt-get yes |
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| 10:28.52 | x_link | stoned: I didn't find it |
| 10:28.55 | CharminTheMoose | stoned: oh right. |
| 10:29.06 | stoned | x_link: its there, try contrib nonfree maybe |
| 10:29.21 | stoned | freedoom - free game files for the 3D game DOOM |
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| 10:29.30 | haggz | i have freedoom in etch with just main contrib repos |
| 10:29.42 | x_link | stoned: Myr epo is contrib non-free |
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| 10:30.01 | x_link | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:30.02 | x_link | deb-src http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:30.04 | CharminTheMoose | wouldn't idsoftware be on your ass for distrubting a game that looks like doom?(nudge nudge Blizzard vs freecraft) |
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| 10:30.06 | x_link | That's my debian repos |
| 10:30.14 | AlexW | who has used madwifi |
| 10:30.22 | stoned | CharminTheMoose: nope |
| 10:30.25 | Kevin` | I use madwifi |
| 10:30.26 | stoned | CharminTheMoose: fully legal |
| 10:30.33 | stoned | John Carmack isn't an asshole |
| 10:30.36 | stoned | hes a good guy |
| 10:30.39 | stoned | :) |
| 10:31.03 | CharminTheMoose | yay |
| 10:31.03 | CharminTheMoose | damn blizzard... |
| 10:31.05 | AlexW | Kevin`: where are the config files for the network go |
| 10:31.09 | stoned | he has gpl'd the engines of all his games |
| 10:31.22 | stoned | only his artwork is closed |
| 10:31.24 | Gnea | freedoom sucks. tremulous owns it. :) |
| 10:31.32 | Kevin` | AlexW madwifi, in normal client use, is configured the same as any other linux wireless card |
| 10:31.32 | stoned | Gnea sucks, sotned owns it. |
| 10:31.33 | stoned | :D |
| 10:31.38 | Gnea | lmfao |
| 10:31.40 | stoned | stoned owns him |
| 10:31.41 | stoned | lol |
| 10:31.52 | Gnea | stoned: seriously, apt-get install tremulous :) |
| 10:31.57 | stoned | its bad ass |
| 10:31.58 | stoned | I have it |
| 10:32.02 | Gnea | yeah it is |
| 10:32.08 | Gnea | i have one problem with it tho |
| 10:32.09 | AlexW | Kevin`: never done anywireless on debian before |
| 10:32.14 | CharminTheMoose | is tremulous non-free? |
| 10:32.18 | stoned | nope |
| 10:32.20 | stoned | free |
| 10:32.22 | Gnea | CharminTheMoose: nope, it's free |
| 10:32.33 | CharminTheMoose | just asking out of curiosity |
| 10:32.40 | Gnea | iirc, the q3 engine was gpl'd |
| 10:32.52 | Kevin` | tremulous looks free-beer free |
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| 10:33.25 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 10:33.34 | Gnea | CharminTheMoose: you're not on the right map ;) |
| 10:33.41 | CharminTheMoose | now how am i gonna get drunk.. |
| 10:33.45 | x_link | I just want to find a shooting game |
| 10:33.49 | CharminTheMoose | hehe |
| 10:34.05 | Kevin` | there's quite a few fps shooters for linux |
| 10:34.06 | x_link | That can work with my GeForce 6150 128MB onboard c ard |
| 10:34.06 | stoned | x_link: happy penguin |
| 10:34.08 | CharminTheMoose | xinvaders! |
| 10:34.18 | x_link | First person |
| 10:34.49 | Gnea | i like the RTS bit |
| 10:34.50 | x_link | Didn't find that either. |
| 10:34.56 | stoned | i dont |
| 10:35.02 | Gnea | although i would prefer something with a bit more strategy |
| 10:35.03 | CharminTheMoose | mm RTSs.. |
| 10:35.06 | x_link | None of those games. |
| 10:35.12 | stoned | after warcraft 2 |
| 10:35.16 | Gnea | CharminTheMoose: do you like FPS's? |
| 10:35.19 | stoned | nothing tickled my pickle in rts |
| 10:35.28 | CharminTheMoose | Gnea, FPSs rock also |
| 10:35.47 | x_link | To be honest Supertux is the best game I have found this far |
| 10:35.47 | Kevin` | Gnea ever played warzone, out of curiosity? |
| 10:35.47 | Gnea | CharminTheMoose: then you'd love tremulous. it's FPS with elements of RTS. |
| 10:36.02 | x_link | I don't find any shooting game at all, like prboom, doom, quake or something |
| 10:36.05 | Gnea | Kevin`: nope, but i have played alpha centauri |
| 10:36.05 | CharminTheMoose | as far as RTS games go Age Of Empires for the win |
| 10:36.16 | stoned | x_link: its in debian |
| 10:36.27 | stoned | freedoom install prboom afaik |
| 10:36.34 | stoned | depends |
| 10:36.36 | stoned | i guess i dunno |
| 10:36.57 | stoned | !info prboom etch |
| 10:37.05 | dpkg | prboom: (clone of the legendary first person shooter Doom), section games, is optional. Version: 2:2.4.6+dfsg-1 (etch), Packaged size: 382 kB, Installed size: 896 kB |
| 10:37.39 | stoned | it is dfsg so it should be in main |
| 10:38.27 | AlexW | how do i check if im connected to a wireless netowkr |
| 10:38.27 | Garda | ok, so i'm in etch, installing, at the partitioning screen |
| 10:38.31 | CharminTheMoose | well, see ya people later. |
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| 10:38.43 | CharminTheMoose | Garda? heh great name |
| 10:38.54 | stoned | gards |
| 10:38.56 | stoned | er. |
| 10:38.58 | Gnea | AlexW: ping something |
| 10:39.03 | Jasonwoo1 | wa , god , 690 persons |
| 10:39.03 | stoned | Garda is the purest form of hashish in pakistan |
| 10:39.05 | CharminTheMoose | is mise garda!ta me garda! |
| 10:39.14 | stoned | made from nothing but compressed trichomes of the female budds |
| 10:39.15 | AlexW | lol is there something that will say "connected to home" |
| 10:39.16 | stoned | :) |
| 10:39.19 | AlexW | or list what im connected to |
| 10:39.22 | stoned | Kacchha Garda == raw |
| 10:39.28 | stoned | Pakka Garda == cooked hash |
| 10:39.29 | stoned | :D |
| 10:39.35 | Jasonwoo1 | It's my first time to here. |
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| 10:39.39 | haggz | stoned: I'm taking notes, keep going |
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| 10:39.44 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:39.48 | stoned | just random info |
| 10:39.48 | CharminTheMoose | Garda with an accent somewhere in the irish langauge is the word for policeman |
| 10:39.59 | Garda | for my root partition i select, use as: physical volume for encryption |
| 10:39.59 | Garda | i select all of the settings i want |
| 10:39.59 | Garda | but it still complains that there is no root partition |
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| 10:40.01 | Garda | it also means police in Irish, and guard in lots of east european languages |
| 10:40.09 | Garda | but back to my problem |
| 10:40.20 | stoned | haggz: you trying to be a dick to me? |
| 10:40.21 | Garda | what do i have to do for encrypted root partition in etch |
| 10:40.32 | stoned | haggz: you gonna start making fun of me now for saying shit about pot? |
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| 10:40.46 | haggz | stoned: no absolutely not, I was serious, I'm packing my bong right now, for real |
| 10:40.52 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:40.54 | stoned | cool |
| 10:41.01 | stoned | just wondering |
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| 10:41.32 | AlexW | ping fails |
| 10:41.33 | AlexW | i dont get it |
| 10:41.43 | AlexW | iwconfig ath0 essid "wireless" |
| 10:41.57 | AlexW | iwconfig ath0 key 757487blabla |
| 10:42.02 | AlexW | dhclient ath0 |
| 10:42.08 | AlexW | but dhcp fails :S |
| 10:42.51 | Gnea | AlexW: you have to set a channel |
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| 10:42.56 | Gnea | AlexW: apt-get install wifi-radar |
| 10:43.05 | stoned | I have 11 channels |
| 10:43.17 | Gnea | you have 11 wifi routers? |
| 10:43.19 | stoned | nope |
| 10:43.21 | stoned | only one |
| 10:43.23 | Gnea | lol |
| 10:43.23 | stoned | with 11 channels |
| 10:43.40 | Gnea | but it only uses 1 channel during continuous operation |
| 10:43.48 | stoned | but you can set which channel it uses |
| 10:43.58 | Gnea | at one time |
| 10:44.02 | stoned | yup |
| 10:44.13 | Gnea | wifi-radar rocks :) |
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| 10:44.31 | stoned | Ganesh Maharaj |
| 10:44.40 | stoned | aha |
| 10:44.41 | badbugs | Hello World |
| 10:44.46 | AlexW | !wifi-radar |
| 10:44.46 | stoned | I'm gonna start calling you Ganesh |
| 10:45.13 | stoned | badbugs |
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| 10:45.18 | stoned | !exp4bugs |
| 10:45.19 | dpkg | i guess exp4bugs is "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 10:45.36 | AlexW | :P |
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| 10:47.26 | haggz | vasamsi jirnani yatha vihaya navani grhnati naro parani tatha sarirani vihaya jirnany anyani samyati navani dehi -- kind of like debian moving between releases |
| 10:48.08 | stoned | !abuse haggz |
| 10:48.24 | stoned | damn bot |
| 10:48.41 | haggz | !bow |
| 10:48.54 | stoned | dpkg hi |
| 10:48.55 | dpkg | what's up, stoned |
| 10:49.32 | AlexW | grrrrrrr |
| 10:49.37 | xingu | putting them in etc/modules for the moment but this feels dirty somehow |
| 10:49.43 | AlexW | how do i make it so ath0 comes up on boot? |
| 10:49.57 | haggz | alexw: make an init script? |
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| 10:50.41 | stoned | yes. let us make a script for the british contraction for isn't it |
| 10:50.47 | Mooi | Hello, does anyone know of a good tutorial that would describe how to set up a multi-user web hosting environment? I would like to host at least 80 web sites on the same machine, with many different users - PHP5, MySQL, and user permissions etc.. |
| 10:51.27 | Mooi | it is for private websites* |
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| 10:51.42 | stoned | debian specific? |
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| 10:51.50 | Mooi | well, i'm using debian etch :) |
| 10:51.52 | stoned | maybe try debian-administration.org |
| 10:52.12 | Mooi | that is too narrow - it is for home hosting |
| 10:52.27 | stoned | I have one user running apache/mysql/php |
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| 10:52.37 | MsgToThePpl | hi how do i update kde above 3.5.0 ? |
| 10:53.19 | stoned | install php5, install apache, enable userdir for (public_html) install mysql server 5 |
| 10:53.38 | stoned | its kinda easy but configurations could be a bit elusive |
| 10:53.46 | stoned | especially with security |
| 10:53.55 | Mooi | secutity is my concern ;) |
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| 10:54.06 | Mooi | I had it made working, but when adding suphp - everything goes down |
| 10:54.22 | AlexW | w000000000000000t wireless = working :) |
| 10:54.29 | Mooi | hehe ;) |
| 10:54.33 | stoned | AlexW: you da man |
| 10:54.46 | AlexW | are there any laptop utils |
| 10:54.49 | AlexW | e.g. power icons etc |
| 10:54.59 | Gnea | depends what wm you use |
| 10:55.05 | AlexW | gnome |
| 10:55.14 | Gnea | actually, i think most windowmaker apples work with anything |
| 10:55.25 | stoned | haha |
| 10:55.26 | stoned | apples |
| 10:55.32 | Gnea | ROFL |
| 10:55.33 | Gnea | applets |
| 10:55.55 | Gnea | man... i've made some typos before... but that takes the cake |
| 10:56.00 | stoned | where? |
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| 10:56.08 | stoned | where does it take the cake? |
| 10:56.16 | stoned | you know where I take my cakes? |
| 10:56.21 | Gnea | to the field of lemon trees |
| 10:56.23 | stoned | I take my cakes down to the bakery |
| 10:56.27 | stoned | to see the other cakes. |
| 10:56.35 | Gnea | where you can get pie |
| 10:56.39 | Gnea | lemon marangue pie |
| 10:56.41 | Gnea | :D |
| 10:56.44 | stoned | it was a joke |
| 10:56.46 | AlexW | what are some tools for gnome |
| 10:56.46 | xingu | stoned: that contraction is usually "innit", innit. |
| 10:56.48 | AlexW | laptop wise |
| 10:56.48 | stoned | fro george carlin |
| 10:56.49 | Gnea | totally |
| 10:56.57 | Gnea | i just made it artistic ;) |
| 10:57.06 | stoned | carlin was making fun of stupid things we say |
| 10:57.07 | stoned | like |
| 10:57.09 | stoned | legally drunk |
| 10:57.11 | stoned | well |
| 10:57.14 | Gnea | dude |
| 10:57.15 | stoned | if hes legally drunk |
| 10:57.16 | Gnea | carlin rocks |
| 10:57.17 | stoned | wtf is the problem? |
| 10:57.19 | stoned | lol |
| 10:57.23 | Gnea | haha |
| 10:58.03 | stoned | i don't lke his new stuff |
| 10:58.09 | stoned | its mostly political commentary |
| 10:58.20 | stoned | kinda burned out on it |
| 10:58.35 | stoned | Gnea: if you like Carlin you will absolutely love Doug Stanhope |
| 10:58.46 | stoned | Gnea: blows carlin away with is world observations |
| 10:58.50 | stoned | beware |
| 10:58.57 | stoned | you might be extremely offended. |
| 10:59.30 | stoned | google video for doug stanhope |
| 10:59.35 | stoned | there is a one hour special he did |
| 10:59.36 | stoned | watch it |
| 10:59.39 | stoned | laugh at it |
| 10:59.41 | stoned | enjoy it even. |
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| 11:00.48 | AlexW | http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-power-manager/gpm.html |
| 11:00.55 | AlexW | what gnome is that running |
| 11:00.58 | AlexW | it looks nice :) |
| 11:01.21 | stoned | 2.14 i think |
| 11:01.25 | stoned | not sure |
| 11:01.31 | Tallu | AlexW: congratulations on getting it all working :) |
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| 11:01.45 | stoned | or 2.16 |
| 11:01.49 | stoned | its one of the new ones |
| 11:01.57 | AlexW | thanks Tallu |
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| 11:04.44 | hark | that is standard gnome, probably 2.14 |
| 11:05.33 | fabio_ | hi guys...i have a problem...i have compiled the new kernel 2.6.20...but i don't have a folder in /lib/firmware of new kernel. why? |
| 11:06.20 | fabio_ | my problem is when i try to make ipw2200 driver....i have an error..in dmesg i less...no firmware found. |
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| 11:06.36 | AlexW | anybody ever used airsnort with madwifi |
| 11:06.37 | Guerin | fabio_: that's because you didn't follow the fucking instructions. |
| 11:06.50 | hark | heh |
| 11:07.01 | fabio_ | i have compiled whit oldconfig |
| 11:07.05 | fabio_ | with* |
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| 11:07.19 | stoned | Guerin: be nice :) |
| 11:07.27 | MsgToThePpl | hi how do i update kde above 3.5.0 ? |
| 11:07.30 | Guerin | fabio_: the most cursory look at ANY documentation relating to ANY intel wireless card mentions the need for firmware, and where to get it, what to do with it, and why. |
| 11:07.38 | Guerin | MsgToThePpl: you don't. |
| 11:07.48 | stoned | MsgToThePpl: depends on the debian release you are using and fi there are packages for it |
| 11:07.57 | stoned | MsgToThePpl: etch has 3.5.5 I think |
| 11:08.08 | stoned | sarge might have backports |
| 11:08.11 | stoned | !stosberg |
| 11:08.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stosberg is Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (stable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. |
| 11:08.49 | MsgToThePpl | it means that just to update kde from 3.5.0 (sarge 3.1) to kde 3.5.6 one should format and reinstall debian ? |
| 11:08.58 | stoned | no |
| 11:09.08 | stoned | just visit the site I told you about see |
| 11:09.14 | stoned | or check backports.org |
| 11:09.16 | stoned | !bpo |
| 11:09.17 | dpkg | [backports.org] an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 11:09.21 | fabio_ | Guerin: i get the firmware and i have make new dir /lib/firmware/2.6.20/ and i have put the firmware in...but i have same error. |
| 11:09.47 | MsgToThePpl | the latest is KDE 3.5.3 on that site |
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| 11:10.12 | stoned | 3.5.6 is not in debian yet |
| 11:10.20 | stoned | I am on sid, updated today. 3.5.5 |
| 11:10.34 | stoned | i didn't know kde released an update |
| 11:10.48 | hark | fabio_: place them in /lib/firmware/ only |
| 11:11.20 | MsgToThePpl | stoned> i would like to compile it myself but kde team says it's a pain |
| 11:11.21 | MsgToThePpl | ;( |
| 11:11.35 | stoned | MsgToThePpl: life's a bitch |
| 11:11.38 | stoned | then you get high. |
| 11:11.39 | stoned | :D |
| 11:11.46 | MsgToThePpl | ;) |
| 11:11.50 | AlexW | iwconfig ath0 mode monitor |
| 11:11.54 | fabio_ | hark: ok. i try |
| 11:11.54 | AlexW | whops |
| 11:11.57 | Guerin | fabio_: put the firmwares right into /lib/firmware/ and they should get picked up automatically |
| 11:12.11 | Guerin | mm, like hark said |
| 11:12.24 | stoned | hark onan |
| 11:12.26 | MsgToThePpl | mmm at least there's a way to move from sarge to sid or etch withouth losing config, drivers etc? |
| 11:12.27 | stoned | hehe |
| 11:12.33 | stoned | damn harkonans |
| 11:12.36 | hark | !fear |
| 11:12.36 | dpkg | Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200308/Gamatex-1060248783.jpg |
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| 11:12.41 | stoned | haha |
| 11:12.43 | stoned | thats awesome |
| 11:12.46 | stoned | hark :) |
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| 11:14.07 | stoned | i have no more beer left |
| 11:14.09 | stoned | :( |
| 11:14.29 | stoned | man I got 1 weeks extention on my move out date |
| 11:14.31 | stoned | I better start packing |
| 11:14.38 | cast | !beer |
| 11:14.38 | dpkg | beer is probably liquid gold mate |
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| 11:14.48 | cast | man this bot has everything. |
| 11:14.53 | cast | i wonder how big the db is |
| 11:14.53 | stoned | !sex |
| 11:14.54 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 11:14.58 | stoned | :) |
| 11:15.03 | hark | !bot abuse |
| 11:15.03 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
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| 11:16.41 | fabio_ | Guerin: i have try....but same error in make |
| 11:17.46 | hark | fabio_: it shouldn't require the firmware to compile.. |
| 11:17.53 | hark | and why compile? |
| 11:18.30 | fabio_ | i don't compile the firmware....but the ipw2200 driver |
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| 11:20.02 | AlexW | whats kde's base package |
| 11:20.17 | hark | !install kde |
| 11:20.17 | dpkg | i guess install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 11:20.30 | cast | kdebase |
| 11:20.35 | cast | amazing :o |
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| 11:21.00 | AlexW | lol "kde" is obscence |
| 11:21.11 | stoned | bugger off |
| 11:21.14 | cast | i don't get it. |
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| 11:21.18 | stoned | gnome sucks |
| 11:21.20 | hark | fabio_: yes, why compile the driver. It's in the kernel already |
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| 11:21.29 | stoned | kde is teh shizboo |
| 11:21.29 | AlexW | no the package kde |
| 11:21.43 | hark | !confuse AlexW |
| 11:21.44 | dpkg | Yes, them was your mushroom tomorrow, AlexW? wellies of the dictatorship of belarus with extra cream |
| 11:22.13 | AlexW | :S :P |
| 11:22.16 | AlexW | im confused |
| 11:22.30 | stoned | that was the goal i think |
| 11:22.40 | AlexW | i know |
| 11:22.41 | AlexW | :P |
| 11:22.42 | stoned | I love beryl |
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| 11:23.40 | cast | http://dpkg.vireo.org seems a nice interface to the bots db |
| 11:23.51 | stoned | !search dpkg |
| 11:23.51 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 11:24.01 | stoned | cast: say "Thank you stew" |
| 11:24.31 | cast | Thank you stew |
| 11:24.37 | stoned | :) |
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| 11:25.42 | fabio_ | i have paste my make error here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5036/ |
| 11:25.59 | stoned | 05:24 >> OpenURL 1392 |
| 11:26.04 | stoned | I should wipe my urls |
| 11:26.14 | war | What is that website that has screenshots of the entire installation process of various distributions? |
| 11:26.15 | stoned | getting to be too many |
| 11:26.32 | stoned | war: you want to install debian? |
| 11:26.49 | war | stoned: looking for that website actually |
| 11:26.56 | stoned | I dunno |
| 11:26.59 | war | k |
| 11:27.00 | stoned | but we can help you to install debian |
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| 11:27.19 | dondelelcaro | war: http://images.google.com/images?q=installer%20screenshot%20debian |
| 11:27.22 | war | http://osdir.com/ |
| 11:27.24 | war | osdir, thx. |
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| 11:27.54 | hark | fabio_: try #ipw2100 |
| 11:28.47 | stoned | I think I migh have discovered a bug in iceweasel in sid 2.0.0.1 |
| 11:28.55 | stoned | it is not reproducable though |
| 11:29.13 | stoned | often times, doesn't matter how many pages I visit, the back button is disabled |
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| 11:29.37 | stoned | I could click links but would be unable to click the back button (greyed out) |
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| 11:29.46 | stoned | I restart iceweasel and it works fine |
| 11:30.05 | stoned | has anyone else experienced this? |
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| 11:31.53 | Guerin | fabio_: you don't need to compile the kernel driver, it's in the debian kernels. |
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| 11:32.39 | fabio_ | Guerin: but isn't works now...becouse i have try to compile it... |
| 11:32.46 | concept10 | do I have to compile a kernel on my root fs? |
| 11:33.03 | concept10 | I mean the root partition |
| 11:33.08 | stoned | concept10: can't sleep? |
| 11:33.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 11:33.16 | concept10 | nope |
| 11:33.21 | stoned | me neither |
| 11:33.26 | concept10 | bad news |
| 11:33.30 | stoned | whats up |
| 11:33.58 | fabio_ | guerin: how can i use now the kernel driver? |
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| 11:34.40 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 11:34.53 | concept10 | I was dreaming that I was in a bar and I too the bathroom, I suddenly woke up and had to piss badly |
| 11:34.54 | dazjorz | I finally got Gnome to work... |
| 11:35.04 | Guerin | fabio_: what kernel are you using? |
| 11:35.06 | hark | fabio_: modprobe ieee80211 && modprobe ipw2200 |
| 11:35.08 | stoned | lol |
| 11:35.10 | dazjorz | I'm on a laptop atm, and the small mouse scroller works great |
| 11:35.12 | stoned | concept10: happens all the time |
| 11:35.20 | dazjorz | but the touchpad is omgslwo |
| 11:35.21 | dazjorz | slow |
| 11:35.27 | Guerin | fabio_: not the one you built - the debian kernel |
| 11:35.32 | dazjorz | how do I change the touchpad settings ? |
| 11:35.58 | fabio_ | Guerin: 2.6.20 |
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| 11:36.03 | Zorb | HI I have a Genius Netscroll Optical mouse I would like to configure the two side butons for Page Up and Page Down Can anyone help with this issue ? The scroll works properly . |
| 11:36.12 | fabio_ | i have recompile it from an old working config. |
| 11:36.19 | stoned | Zorb: xmodmap -e |
| 11:36.32 | stoned | Zorb: regular mice have 12345, but it goes up to 9 |
| 11:36.32 | Guerin | fabio_: get back to us when you're using a debian kernel. |
| 11:36.40 | stoned | 4 extra buttons |
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| 11:36.54 | stoned | Zorb: not quite positive on how to configure those for certain actions |
| 11:36.54 | Zorb | it has 2 extra buttons |
| 11:37.35 | stoned | 123 = left, right, middle click, 4-5 == Zaxismapping(mousewheel) and then we have 6789 remaining |
| 11:37.44 | stoned | I can't quite recall how to configure them |
| 11:37.48 | stoned | someone else might |
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| 11:38.26 | Zorb | can yoe explain it a little bit in low tech mode |
| 11:38.33 | stoned | uhh |
| 11:38.35 | fabio_ | Guerin: why? |
| 11:38.38 | stoned | I could try hehe |
| 11:39.04 | stoned | well I dunno how to explain it any simpler than that |
| 11:39.10 | fabio_ | hark: root@vaio:/home/fabio/Tool/ipw2200-1.1.4# modprobe ieee80211 && modprobe ipw2200 |
| 11:39.10 | fabio_ | FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.20-cent/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 11:39.19 | Guerin | fabio_: because we have no way of knowing how you fucked it up. |
| 11:39.58 | Zorb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.16 | stoned | xmodmap -e with "pointer" param and then how you want them configured |
| 11:40.25 | stoned | I only have a 3 button mouse |
| 11:40.30 | stoned | I dunno sorry |
| 11:40.59 | Zorb | do i have to write it into xorg.conf? |
| 11:41.05 | stoned | yes |
| 11:41.14 | stoned | either that or with xmodmap |
| 11:41.18 | stoned | same thing essentially |
| 11:41.45 | AlexW | can u install firefox plugins in iceweasel |
| 11:41.51 | stoned | yes you can |
| 11:42.02 | stoned | it _IS_ firefox |
| 11:42.08 | stoned | just renamed with diff artwork |
| 11:42.09 | AlexW | i dont understand the name change :S |
| 11:42.12 | stoned | codebase should be the same |
| 11:42.14 | stoned | afaik |
| 11:42.56 | Guerin | bah, fucking hansard searcheroony is broken |
| 11:43.05 | stoned | haha |
| 11:43.06 | Guerin | stupid lexisnexis |
| 11:43.22 | AlexW | stoned: when it greys out does backspace work? |
| 11:43.26 | stoned | bitch-a-rooni-dooni |
| 11:43.31 | stoned | AlexW: nope |
| 11:43.37 | stoned | alt+<- dont' either |
| 11:43.48 | stoned | its like the whole back func. is disabled |
| 11:45.27 | stoned | hey |
| 11:45.30 | stoned | Zorb: try this |
| 11:45.47 | stoned | option "buttons" "7" |
| 11:46.02 | AlexW | in firefox in windows |
| 11:46.05 | stoned | and option "zaxismapping" "6 7" |
| 11:46.13 | AlexW | if u click in any text field it deletes it all |
| 11:46.15 | stoned | i dunno if thats gonna disable mouse wheel scroll |
| 11:46.17 | AlexW | or selects it all |
| 11:46.18 | stoned | or not |
| 11:46.22 | stoned | but i dunno |
| 11:46.41 | stoned | i dunno how to configure extra mouse buttons for specific actions |
| 11:46.41 | Zorb | i Presume I have to restart X server |
| 11:46.55 | AlexW | is this just a linux thing, or is it firefox? |
| 11:47.03 | stoned | Zorb: like i said |
| 11:47.06 | stoned | try xmodmap first |
| 11:47.11 | stoned | that way you don't have to restart xorg |
| 11:47.18 | stoned | xmodmap changes config on the fly |
| 11:47.24 | stoned | test it out before you keep restarting |
| 11:47.30 | Zorb | i tryed issue this command but no effect |
| 11:47.38 | AlexW | e.g. type fufhjfhfhf into google search box, then click somewhere else, go back and click in fufhhfhfh and it will select it all, how do i do this. |
| 11:47.54 | stoned | Zorb: xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5" |
| 11:48.04 | stoned | Zorb: that is a normal 3 button mouse config with mousewheel |
| 11:48.14 | stoned | seems like you have two extra buttons |
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| 11:48.45 | stoned | might try the order 1 2 3 6 7 4 5 |
| 11:48.46 | stoned | maybe |
| 11:48.49 | Zorb | yes 1 have 2 extra buttons |
| 11:48.55 | gianko | hi |
| 11:48.58 | stoned | that might make your 2 extra buttons able to scroll too |
| 11:49.24 | stoned | gianko: hi |
| 11:50.13 | AlexW | whats closest to itunes |
| 11:50.13 | AlexW | but for linux |
| 11:50.13 | stoned | Amarok |
| 11:50.17 | stoned | Quodlibet |
| 11:50.20 | stoned | exaime |
| 11:50.23 | stoned | or whatever |
| 11:50.26 | stoned | songbird |
| 11:50.32 | AlexW | hrrm |
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| 11:50.35 | cast | thankfully we have no itunes :) |
| 11:50.38 | AlexW | thanks |
| 11:50.39 | stoned | Amarok is the BEST afaik |
| 11:50.40 | stoned | :) |
| 11:50.44 | AlexW | itunes is the bomb |
| 11:50.45 | stoned | its Qt/Kde based |
| 11:50.51 | stoned | itunes sux balls dude |
| 11:50.55 | AlexW | Amarok supports ipod? |
| 11:50.58 | stoned | big hairy sweaty nasty balls |
| 11:51.02 | stoned | yes it does |
| 11:51.16 | cast | !ipod |
| 11:51.16 | dpkg | ipod is probably a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 11:51.17 | AlexW | thought so, considering they have "IPOD GIVEAWAY" on homepage |
| 11:51.23 | stoned | lol |
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| 11:51.52 | stoned | music |
| 11:51.54 | stoned | mp3: Prodigy - Music for the Jilted Gene - 02-Break - Enter |
| 11:52.01 | stoned | </end spam> |
| 11:52.04 | stoned | la de da |
| 11:52.12 | Zorb | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:52.34 | RichiH | stoned: please don't do that ;) |
| 11:52.39 | gianko | I've a little problem with debian unstable... how can I rename if wifi0_rename in wifi0? In udev rules I've not found nothing about... |
| 11:52.42 | concept10 | what happens if I stop a upgrade (Ctrl C) hurry im at 99%! |
| 11:52.49 | RichiH | that being said, music for the jilted generation is their best album by far |
| 11:53.06 | AlexW | firefox carries same data no matter what window system im using correct |
| 11:53.10 | stoned | RichiH: awe |
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| 11:53.44 | RichiH | stoned: i would just repeat one no good, though |
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| 11:53.54 | RichiH | been to many years since i last did that, come to think of it |
| 11:53.55 | stoned | Zorb: google for 7 button mouse xog |
| 11:54.02 | stoned | Zorb: google for "7 button mouse xorg" |
| 11:54.06 | stoned | etc. kinda keywords |
| 11:54.17 | stoned | RichiH: its all good man |
| 11:54.22 | stoned | I don't ever spam mp3 anyway |
| 11:54.35 | RichiH | stoned: well, you did :) |
| 11:54.40 | stoned | well yes |
| 11:54.49 | RichiH | problem is that is encourages others to share what they listen to |
| 11:54.50 | stoned | but oh |
| 11:54.56 | stoned | i know |
| 11:54.57 | Zorb | stoned :i already tryed google , forums this is why i am asking it here |
| 11:54.58 | stoned | my bad |
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| 11:55.13 | stoned | Zorb: I can't help me, maybe someone else could |
| 11:55.19 | stoned | s/me/you |
| 11:55.26 | Mooi | I have downloaded a package for modifying with apt-get source; How would I package it into a .deb? |
| 11:55.46 | Zorb | stoned : thanks anyway |
| 11:55.51 | stoned | sure bro |
| 11:55.57 | AlexW | they make everything for linux these days |
| 11:55.59 | AlexW | skype :) |
| 11:56.28 | AlexW | next Windows Live Messenger will be on linux :P |
| 11:56.49 | stoned | amsn maybe |
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| 11:57.00 | stoned | gaim? kopete? |
| 11:57.17 | AlexW | amsn looks nice but hasnt been updated in yonks, gaim is eww, kopete sounds nice but |
| 11:57.29 | AlexW | i will miss Winodws Live MEssenger and MSN Plus! |
| 11:57.52 | stoned | AlexW: you'll have a more fulfilling computing experience with linux |
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| 11:57.59 | stoned | despite some software not in it |
| 11:58.03 | Tallu | But.. you have irc. what do you need them instant messengers for |
| 11:58.32 | AlexW | :P, I don't know one person in year 12 that would use IRC |
| 11:58.37 | AlexW | at my school that is :P |
| 11:59.13 | concept10 | I dont know anyone who uses MSN |
| 11:59.27 | stoned | my younger sister does |
| 11:59.29 | AlexW | gezz |
| 11:59.36 | stoned | I can't get her to use anything else |
| 11:59.41 | stoned | so I have to use fucking msn |
| 11:59.42 | stoned | :( |
| 11:59.55 | cast | yeah i have the same problem |
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| 12:00.20 | AlexW | i think MSN is still the best messenger |
| 12:00.24 | AlexW | but thats my po |
| 12:00.39 | stoned | if it work for ya then it works fo rya |
| 12:00.42 | cast | AlexW: if you're MS, yes, yes that party line sounds good |
| 12:00.45 | concept10 | some people really do not care about tech. I cant get my cousin to get DSL or my other roommate |
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| 12:01.01 | stoned | concept10: all she wants to do is chat, and burn music |
| 12:01.02 | stoned | heh |
| 12:01.25 | stoned | her msn contact list is freakin huge |
| 12:01.30 | stoned | I can't deal with IMs |
| 12:01.32 | concept10 | a former roommate would not let me share a phone line and get DSL, I had to get another one, which cost me extra |
| 12:01.35 | cast | msn has a few issues. one of them being that it keeps going down, another being that itll block certain messages. like those with download.php in them |
| 12:01.41 | concept10 | I cant deal with IMs either |
| 12:01.47 | AlexW | stoned: some people get of over having a big list |
| 12:01.51 | AlexW | me personally < 150 |
| 12:01.58 | AlexW | ive seen 700 contacts before |
| 12:02.05 | AlexW | its obscence and unnessiary |
| 12:02.13 | AlexW | and takes 5 minutes to login |
| 12:02.14 | dazjorz | Could someone help me with my touchpad? Its sensivity is much too low, although the small mouse button works |
| 12:02.16 | concept10 | If it doesnt get me money or ass I dont use IM |
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| 12:02.36 | cast | a third and most important is that its a closed network, third parties aren't really intended to connect |
| 12:02.40 | concept10 | ass, cash or gas.. no one IMs me for free |
| 12:02.50 | stoned | lol |
| 12:03.03 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.10 | concept10 | heh |
| 12:03.23 | stoned | pngwn: dick. |
| 12:03.42 | concept10 | I used to like the hear me see me thing |
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| 12:04.04 | concept10 | you could argue on that thing all night |
| 12:04.08 | dazjorz | Okay, nevermind, I'll come back later when there's time to answer the question |
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| 12:04.59 | stoned | hey |
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| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'liblame0' returned no results. |
| 12:05.05 | concept10 | I need to get these low hanging kde libraries off of my system. What do I need kicker for> |
| 12:05.07 | stoned | what happened to the update-menus command |
| 12:05.08 | stoned | oh |
| 12:05.12 | stoned | fuck me runnin |
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| 12:05.16 | stoned | I don't even have menu installed |
| 12:05.16 | stoned | doh |
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| 12:05.48 | RomanK | Hi There! |
| 12:05.51 | stoned | hi |
| 12:06.16 | dazjorz | concept10: kicker is the KDE taskbar iirc |
| 12:06.27 | dazjorz | concept10: or at least something important in KDE (iirc) |
| 12:06.37 | stoned | kicker is the panel application |
| 12:06.43 | concept10 | dazjorz, yes, I know, but I run gnome. |
| 12:06.45 | stoned | provides panels and panel plugins |
| 12:06.50 | concept10 | Why is that on my system |
| 12:06.52 | stoned | but concept10 is lame |
| 12:06.54 | stoned | he runs gnome |
| 12:07.01 | AlexW | lol i just realise why they made it iceweasel :P |
| 12:07.12 | AlexW | fire - ice, fox - weasel |
| 12:07.13 | AlexW | :P |
| 12:07.13 | fabio_ | is possible to set an option in /etc/modprobe.d/options for use it only with 1 kernel and not with another one? |
| 12:07.25 | blackelf | ice weasle have gay icon |
| 12:07.25 | stoned | concept10: j/k |
| 12:07.28 | concept10 | no wonder you use msn :) |
| 12:07.33 | stoned | iceweasel has a cute icon |
| 12:07.36 | stoned | its like |
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| 12:07.39 | stoned | the green cookie monster |
| 12:07.42 | RomanK | i'm trying to set up an OpenLDAP-Server for system auth. I followed this howto (http://enterprise.linux.com/enterprise/05/09/15/1930256.shtml?tid=129) and everything seemed fine. Though if i try to change a users' password usind passwd, it tells me the user doesn't exist either in /etc/passwd nor in NIS (yes, the user DOES exist in ldap, i double-checked it. And yes, i DID modifiy some files in /etc/pam.d) |
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| 12:08.50 | debian_newbie | hi |
| 12:09.13 | RomanK | maybe someone who succeeded setting up an ldap-server can point me to a working howto (those 3 i tried didn't work) or can help me otherwise |
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| 12:09.41 | heh_v_water | i think if they were going to use a name that is just nonsense, they should have called em dabrowser and damail |
| 12:10.01 | xi1 | !gnats |
| 12:10.04 | Guerin | heh_v_water: fftf |
| 12:10.22 | heh_v_water | :P |
| 12:10.40 | Guerin | no, I mean |
| 12:10.41 | Guerin | !fftf |
| 12:10.42 | dpkg | methinks fftf is Feel Free To Fork |
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| 12:10.45 | Mooi | I have downloaded a package for modifying with apt-get source; How would I package it into a .deb? |
| 12:10.57 | fabio_ | Guerin: is possible to set an option in /etc/modprobe.d/options for use it only with 1 kernel and not with another one? |
| 12:11.06 | debian_newbie | my ethernet card is not supported by the kernel (Marvell), I went to the website and saw a driver that requires recompilation of the kernel after applying a patch to it.. I have the netinst CD, and using it I installed debian on the target PC, but I cant find the source for the kernel to recompile.. where can I get it? (I'm new to linux, coming from IRIX) |
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| 12:11.20 | Guerin | Mooi: debian/rules binary; /msg dpkg mg |
| 12:11.31 | heh_v_water | Guerin, your right, it's their project |
| 12:11.43 | Guerin | debian_newbie: get a real card from any shop for $5 |
| 12:11.59 | Guerin | debian_newbie: unless your time is worth less than $1/hour, it'll work out |
| 12:12.24 | debian_newbie | I don't mind spending a couple hours sorting it out |
| 12:12.31 | Guerin | debian_newbie: the kernel source is at ... kernel.org! |
| 12:12.48 | xi1 | ummm |
| 12:12.57 | Guerin | debian_newbie: if you do want to build your own, install kernel-package and RTFM |
| 12:13.04 | debian_newbie | debian's own is exactly like that? I mean no mods have been applied? |
| 12:13.09 | Guerin | debian_newbie: also /msg dpkg kp mantra for a quick recipe |
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| 12:13.37 | Guerin | debian_newbie: yes, plenty have been, but a vanilla kernel will work fine, and the patch may or may not work on debian sources |
| 12:13.44 | Zta | I'm trying to compile sshfs-fuse, and I get this error when I ./configure: configure: error: Package requirements (fuse >= 2.2 glib-2.0) were not met. Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you installed software in a non-standard prefix. |
| 12:13.53 | Guerin | !wayc Zta |
| 12:13.53 | dpkg | Zta: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 12:14.00 | AlexW | can you get kde to place a USB thumbdrive automatically on teh desktop |
| 12:14.02 | debian_newbie | Guerin, TFTFH |
| 12:14.23 | Guerin | !tftfh |
| 12:14.30 | Guerin | that's a doozy |
| 12:14.36 | fabio_ | Guerin: is possible to set an option in /etc/modprobe.d/options for use it only with 1 kernel and not with another one? |
| 12:14.42 | Zta | Guerin, can't find the package. So I tried to stick with a HOWTO. |
| 12:14.46 | Guerin | fabio_: i have absolutely no idea. |
| 12:14.52 | fabio_ | ok |
| 12:14.52 | debian_newbie | thanks for the f****** help :) |
| 12:14.57 | debian_newbie | goodbye |
| 12:16.06 | heh_v_water | AlexW, yes just like the cd-roms can't think of how I did it right off hand |
| 12:16.07 | Zta | Anyway. How do I specfi that my fuse is installed in /pack/fuse ? |
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| 12:16.07 | Guerin | Zta: i strongly recommend upgrading to something containing sshfs - etch has it |
| 12:16.07 | heh_v_water | AlexW, you can even set it up to offer to mount and open the directory IIRC |
| 12:16.07 | Zta | Guerin, thanks. But can you help me with my problem? |
| 12:16.07 | heh_v_water | IE a little pop-up window |
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| 12:16.08 | Guerin | Zta: going down the way of custom libs when you don't know how to set a build environment up properly is the way to madness. |
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| 12:16.25 | Zta | Guerin, if you thought me, I'd know it. |
| 12:16.34 | Zta | teach |
| 12:16.41 | Guerin | i don't have time to |
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| 12:17.00 | Zta | I am running etch btw. |
| 12:17.19 | Guerin | etch has sshfs |
| 12:17.20 | Zta | ah, darn.. there it is. |
| 12:17.24 | Guerin | or did have, last I checked |
| 12:17.44 | bokey | Guerin, yes. it has |
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| 12:22.36 | AlexW | anybody used Realtek HD Audio |
| 12:22.39 | AlexW | on debian |
| 12:23.15 | heh_v_water | AlexW, what like 6 channel stuff? |
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| 12:23.45 | AlexW | um its called HD Audio |
| 12:23.57 | AlexW | but its just a simple 3 port 2 chan output on my laptop |
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| 12:24.08 | AlexW | but in windows the driver is "High Definition Audio Codecs" |
| 12:24.12 | AlexW | http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=24&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false |
| 12:24.23 | ma3x | what happens if 10 people preorder a domain that is available tomorrow? who gets it first? |
| 12:24.42 | AlexW | the first person to order :P |
| 12:24.50 | xingu | ma3x: a spammer |
| 12:25.03 | ma3x | xingu: I don't get you right |
| 12:25.07 | ma3x | can you explain? |
| 12:25.22 | etchjster | my raid box crashed last night boy do i have alot to do |
| 12:25.30 | xingu | oh, that was a serious quetion? |
| 12:25.33 | heh_v_water | AlexW, just a quick search shows it is just ac97 |
| 12:25.34 | ma3x | AlexW: but let's say all persons preorder it with another registrar |
| 12:26.03 | xingu | never mind |
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| 12:26.04 | etchjster | gonna fix it with a hammer |
| 12:26.04 | AlexW | ac97 supported in debian? |
| 12:26.04 | ma3x | one with networksolutions, one with register.com , one with joker.com |
| 12:26.04 | AlexW | which ever registar submits it first i guess |
| 12:26.08 | ma3x | xingu: nah i was just kiddin |
| 12:26.18 | heh_v_water | AlexW, yes for quite some time, nothign special needs to be done |
| 12:26.42 | AlexW | hrrrm |
| 12:26.47 | MoDaX | ma3x: the one, who is the first |
| 12:26.56 | AlexW | because nothing is coming throught the speakers :P |
| 12:27.09 | heh_v_water | AlexW, using alsa? |
| 12:27.38 | Zta | If I do 'sudo useradd myuser newgroup', then how do I make my current shell understand that I am now a member of newgroup? |
| 12:27.53 | amphi | AlexW: channels are unmuted? ;) |
| 12:28.06 | AlexW | the volume thing on laptop is not working i guess :P |
| 12:28.16 | etchjster | alsamixer |
| 12:28.26 | heh_v_water | AlexW, there is other software to deal with that stuff |
| 12:28.37 | AlexW | heh_v_water: such as :P |
| 12:28.41 | etchjster | alsa-base |
| 12:28.48 | etchjster | alsa-utilities |
| 12:28.51 | heh_v_water | yes |
| 12:29.12 | heh_v_water | and if your in kde kmix or soemthing similar |
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| 12:30.16 | heh_v_water | AlexW, with alsa I believe the proper method is to run alsaconf, set up for your card if it finds it and add your user to the audio group |
| 12:30.40 | AlexW | shouldnt this all be in the menu |
| 12:30.47 | AlexW | e.g "Volume Control" :P |
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| 12:31.02 | etchjster | it is in windows :P |
| 12:31.32 | AlexW | :P |
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| 12:31.55 | etchjster | ive nerver herad a drive sound like it did last night sounded like ther was a chicken in it |
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| 12:31.56 | AlexW | ok got it now :) |
| 12:32.03 | AlexW | "Front" was not up |
| 12:32.06 | Mooi | how do i add user mu to group www? |
| 12:32.23 | heh_v_water | adduser mu www |
| 12:32.37 | Zta | =) |
| 12:33.05 | Mooi | ok |
| 12:33.49 | Mooi | I do `chmod 740 somefile`, user mu is group www, and somefile is chgrp`ed to www. why can't i read the file? |
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| 12:34.25 | troubled | etchjster: R.I.P. ? |
| 12:34.27 | heh_v_water | Mooi, maybe log out mu and log back in? |
| 12:34.40 | troubled | Mooi: usermod |
| 12:35.01 | Mooi | heh_v_water: Umm, that doesn't work |
| 12:35.33 | ma3x | im browsing snapnames.com but they don't list the fee for a domain backordering |
| 12:35.35 | ma3x | how come? |
| 12:35.40 | heh_v_water | Mooi, listen to troubled |
| 12:35.56 | Mooi | I dd that already |
| 12:35.56 | troubled | Mooi: listen to heh_v_water too :) |
| 12:36.00 | Mooi | ;)) |
| 12:36.05 | heh_v_water | hehe |
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| 12:36.10 | etchjster | soon as i un pluged it and pluged it back in the array crashed and sounded ok while rebuiloding |
| 12:36.15 | troubled | Mooi: can you see the files in the dir too? |
| 12:36.26 | AlexW | how do i configure keys |
| 12:36.28 | troubled | Mooi: type: groups |
| 12:36.33 | heh_v_water | Mooi maybe verify the user and group ls -lsa |
| 12:36.34 | AlexW | e.g. my wireless switch |
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| 12:36.46 | troubled | Mooi: is mu part of www? |
| 12:36.49 | AlexW | whats the file called again |
| 12:37.08 | amphi | AlexW: what file? |
| 12:37.27 | Mooi | troubled: yes |
| 12:37.32 | Mooi | ok, will check |
| 12:37.46 | troubled | Mooi: ls -l the file, whats the line say? |
| 12:37.53 | Mooi | in home |
| 12:37.55 | Mooi | 4 drwxrwxrwx 12 wykis www 4096 Feb 10 12:30 wykis |
| 12:38.00 | AlexW | isnt there a file that corresponds to key codes |
| 12:38.02 | Mooi | I chmodded just to check if it works.. |
| 12:38.06 | AlexW | and when they are entered will run commands |
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| 12:38.10 | troubled | Mooi: eww on them perms though |
| 12:38.24 | Mooi | troubled: I know, what should I do? 740 doesn't allow access |
| 12:38.30 | troubled | Mooi: anyways....when its 777 can you change it? |
| 12:38.55 | Mooi | yes |
| 12:38.58 | troubled | Mooi: dont forget for a dir, you need +r and +x, for files just +r (unless binaries of course) |
| 12:39.14 | Mooi | ooh, i didn't know dirs need +x |
| 12:39.30 | Mooi | so what would it be - 760 ? |
| 12:39.31 | troubled | Mooi: ya, +x means your allowed in them/past that point |
| 12:39.41 | amphi | AlexW: not sure what you mean |
| 12:39.49 | Mooi | 750 ;) |
| 12:39.57 | troubled | Mooi: try follow this -> 421421421 |
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| 12:40.03 | AlexW | ok |
| 12:40.09 | AlexW | how do i enable acpi |
| 12:40.24 | Mooi | at last! |
| 12:40.26 | troubled | Mooi: thats rwx = 421 (x=1, w=2, r=4), add em up |
| 12:40.39 | Mooi | apache works with userdir and suphp ;)) |
| 12:40.45 | amphi | AlexW: /proc/acpi exists? |
| 12:41.09 | AlexW | yeah |
| 12:41.15 | AlexW | but, kde power control |
| 12:41.17 | amphi | AlexW: it's enabled then |
| 12:41.18 | AlexW | says i need to enable it |
| 12:41.42 | amphi | AlexW: power control? no idea, modprobe battery perhaps |
| 12:41.50 | AlexW | You may need to enable ACPI suspend/resume in the ACPI panel |
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| 12:42.02 | troubled | Mooi: usually 755 is used for stuff. or 750 to block out everyone else |
| 12:42.14 | Mooi | thanks troubled :) |
| 12:42.33 | troubled | Mooi: just remember 421.... |
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| 12:43.07 | Mooi | will do |
| 12:43.56 | amphi | AlexW: FWIW, I do suspend-to-ram (rarely) with 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' |
| 12:44.06 | troubled | Mooi: theres also special bits like +s and +t and such, they would go in front of the 755 like 2755 (421 applies to the first of 4 digits as well. 4's means user perm, 2 means g change, 1 means other) |
| 12:44.28 | Mooi | ok, s = sticky, and t = ? |
| 12:44.52 | troubled | Mooi: ya, you can specify them where they make sense usin the same 421 system in front of the 755 |
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| 12:45.24 | troubled | Mooi: t supposed to be for tmp dirs. its support i think is up to the file system though |
| 12:45.25 | amphi | Mooi: t is the sticky bit ;) |
| 12:45.33 | Mooi | then s is..?:) |
| 12:45.48 | troubled | Mooi: suid |
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| 12:45.58 | Mooi | ok |
| 12:46.08 | troubled | Mooi: or sgid. unless a dir then means sticky perms for dirs and sub dirs |
| 12:46.19 | troubled | again, depends if your referin to files or dirs |
| 12:47.12 | Mooi | ok, so sticky allows you to control all the subdirs' permissions? |
| 12:47.14 | troubled | drwxrsxr-x would mean that all new files in the current dir are created with the group of the current dir's group owner. make sense? |
| 12:47.23 | troubled | ya, what i just said applies to that |
| 12:47.51 | troubled | Mooi: try mkdir foo ; chmod g+s foo ; mkdir foo/bar ; ls -la foo |
| 12:48.02 | amphi | Mooi: the sticky bit is used on /tmp, for example, and means files can only be written by their owners |
| 12:48.23 | troubled | Mooi: well, i suppose if you create it as the same user it wont make as much sense, but you get the idea :) |
| 12:49.04 | Mooi | troubled: yeah, so it is useful for web hosting, right? |
| 12:49.15 | vorsprung | I'm having trouble with seeing usb stuff, i just installed 2.6 on sarge ( going to get etch asap ) |
| 12:49.34 | vorsprung | I think I need to enable hotplug in the kernel options, where is it? |
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| 12:49.58 | troubled | Mooi: i would say so. the g+s means that if you make that dir chgrp www, then you ensure that all new uploads by say user "bob" dont go drwxr-xr-x bob bob |
| 12:50.12 | Mooi | yes, nice :D |
| 12:50.15 | troubled | Mooi: instead new files will become "bob www" |
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| 12:51.24 | Mooi | drwxr-x--T |
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| 12:52.32 | troubled | Mooi: take a look at your /tmp |
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| 12:53.17 | troubled | Mooi: +t on a dir thats not world writable doesnt do much though ;) |
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| 12:54.18 | troubled | vorsprung: you install hotplug already? |
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| 12:55.09 | vorsprung | troubled, it has the hotplug scripts but when I try and run them they say that the kernel doesn't have hotplug support |
| 12:55.23 | troubled | vorsprung: not running a stock kernel? |
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| 12:56.11 | vorsprung | troubled, I'm rebuilding the kernel with more usb options maybe that will fix it. Nope, using make-kpkg + a source package |
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| 12:56.45 | Mooi | if i upgrade libstdc++, do i need to restart the system or not? |
| 12:56.47 | troubled | vorsprung: ah, that might explain it. not sure where you might find that option off hand though. just gonna have to look around i guess |
| 12:56.51 | vorsprung | troubled, I'm going to have lunch now, thanks for your concern :) ttyl maybe |
| 12:57.24 | tralala | Mooi, you don't. You might need to restart some of the apps using the lib |
| 12:57.52 | Mooi | ok, i'm trying to install mysql server 5 -> "Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed!" |
| 12:57.53 | troubled | Mooi: at best restart the daemons that may have been linked to it. but a good package should have asked you to restart services if it was needed like a libc update |
| 12:57.55 | Woosta | I'm trying to use the 2.6 kernel from the 3.1r4 netinst disk but grub never gets past 'savedefault' 'boot'. I'm trying to work out why. One thread I've read led me to wonder if I don't need to rename all hd* devices to sd* for 2.6. But if I do that and it doesn't work .. getting it back will be annoying :-) ... any better thoughts? |
| 12:58.03 | troubled | vorsprung: cya |
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| 12:58.49 | AlexW | anybody had experience with a Logitech USB Headset |
| 12:58.52 | AlexW | on Debian |
| 12:58.54 | troubled | Mooi: check the logs for a better explanation |
| 12:59.14 | AlexW | 'aparently they are really buggy |
| 12:59.27 | tralala | Woosta, so the installation doesn't start or what? |
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| 13:00.15 | Mooi | which logs?:) |
| 13:00.27 | Woosta | tralala: sorry .. the installation runs on the 2.4 kernel but not the 2.6. But it lets me choose which to install. I installed the 2.6 and it still doesn't boot. So I went into 'rescue' mode and installed the 2.4 and it boots fine |
| 13:00.32 | Mooi | /var/log/mysql.log this is empty |
| 13:00.40 | troubled | Mooi: the Internet Explorer.exe ones, what logs you think i mean? :) |
| 13:00.42 | Mooi | ..so is /var/log/mysql.err |
| 13:00.47 | Woosta | It's like the 2.6 doesn't like my hardware or something :-) |
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| 13:00.58 | tralala | Woosta, sata disk? |
| 13:01.00 | Mooi | umm, i don't use any M$ products here |
| 13:01.09 | Woosta | tralala: IDE afaik |
| 13:01.32 | troubled | Mooi: your missing out ;) |
| 13:01.49 | Mooi | :s |
| 13:02.11 | tralala | Woosta, sounds like there's something wrong with your configuration or boot loader |
| 13:02.41 | troubled | Woosta: 2.6 would at least start up and start spewing text on the screen if it had the chance to load |
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| 13:03.08 | Woosta | tralala: strange that neither the 2.6 on the CD or 2.6 once it's installed will work though .. |
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| 13:03.27 | troubled | Woosta: if 2.6 is still in /boot, try use the command interface to grub and manually load the kernel |
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| 13:03.45 | Woosta | OK, I'll check the man :) |
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| 13:04.29 | robin_sz | so .. if I am the owner of a process, I can test if it is running with kill 0 <pid> ... how can I test a process i *DONT* OWN TO CHECK IF IT IS RUNNING? |
| 13:04.34 | troubled | Woosta: should at least get a loading linux kernel on the install cd with 2.6. |
| 13:04.36 | robin_sz | oops |
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| 13:04.50 | troubled | oops? |
| 13:05.04 | robin_sz | I meant oops, pesky caps lock key |
| 13:05.14 | Woosta | troubled: no .. only 'savedefaults' 'boot' .. then nothing |
| 13:05.22 | Woosta | left it for hours once .. just in case :) |
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| 13:06.14 | stoned | robin_sz: you could shift :) |
| 13:06.17 | Mooi | `apt-get install mysql-server-4.1` -> The following NEW packages will be installed: mysql-server-4.1 mysql-server-5.0 << Where does 5.0 come in?! |
| 13:06.35 | troubled | Woosta: well, you know your system best i guess. hit up some kernel forums and ask linus why 2.6 doesnt even give you any errors when you boot a 2.6 kernel ;) |
| 13:06.36 | abrotman | Mooi: etch ? |
| 13:06.46 | tralala | robin_sz, with ps |
| 13:06.56 | Mooi | abrotman: yes |
| 13:07.17 | abrotman | !depends mysql-server-4.1 etch |
| 13:07.24 | dpkg | mysql-server-4.1: depends on mysql-server-5.0 |
| 13:07.36 | troubled | robin_sz: /proc/<pid>/status? |
| 13:07.58 | Mooi | ok... |
| 13:07.59 | tralala | Woosta, try a more recent 2.6 kernel from backports.org |
| 13:08.17 | troubled | abrotman: nice depend there :) |
| 13:08.28 | abrotman | yay "metapackage"! |
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| 13:08.51 | Woosta | tralala: will do .. good idea :) |
| 13:09.06 | Mooi | http://debian.od5.co.uk/201/txt/ < what would i do to solve this? |
| 13:09.12 | troubled | "Computer, install mysql 4.1".....Computer replies "Proceeding to install Mysql 5.0 as you requested" |
| 13:09.20 | robin_sz | troubled, just test if that file exists? |
| 13:09.35 | AlexW | first program crash in linux |
| 13:09.38 | AlexW | and it was because of an ipod :P |
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| 13:10.03 | troubled | robin_sz: cat it and take a look inside. if the dir doesnt exist, neither does the pid though if thats all your lookin for. take a look around, script what you need :p |
| 13:10.09 | stoned | abrotman: ! |
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| 13:10.19 | abrotman | stoned: moving day! |
| 13:10.25 | stoned | 1 week extension |
| 13:10.29 | abrotman | ack! |
| 13:10.31 | stoned | 17 is the last move out date now |
| 13:10.37 | abrotman | from landlord or sis ? |
| 13:10.42 | stoned | landlord |
| 13:10.46 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 13:10.47 | stoned | sis is moving to nyc in april |
| 13:10.50 | stoned | thankfully |
| 13:10.54 | stoned | so I don't have to take care of her |
| 13:10.56 | stoned | but bad news |
| 13:10.59 | troubled | !enter |
| 13:11.00 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 13:11.00 | stoned | we're not getting ahouse |
| 13:11.06 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 13:11.08 | stoned | troubled: go fuck yourself. Thanks |
| 13:11.18 | stoned | abrotman: yeh.. so I guess more apartment life for me :( |
| 13:11.57 | abrotman | stoned: might change by april :) |
| 13:12.20 | stoned | man, I'm gonna try and save up around 30 k, and try to get a cheap little repo house, fix it up and stuff |
| 13:12.46 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:13.00 | stoned | wait for my parents to die so I can inherit stuff |
| 13:13.04 | stoned | I mean I love my folks |
| 13:13.05 | robin_sz | you can get a house for $30K? |
| 13:13.18 | stoned | don't get me wrong, but I mean, they _ARE_ old |
| 13:13.22 | stoned | not gettin any younger |
| 13:13.28 | stoned | robin_sz: yes you can |
| 13:13.30 | RichiH | does the ibm thinkpad x60 have mono or stereo sound? |
| 13:13.42 | robin_sz | stoned, wow. WAAAAAY cheaper than the UK then |
| 13:13.49 | stoned | oh yeah man |
| 13:14.00 | amphi | RichiH: mono?? |
| 13:14.04 | abrotman | RichiH: stereo even if it has one speaker ? |
| 13:14.06 | robin_sz | $150K minimum here |
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| 13:14.18 | AlexW | is it possible to get like truetype fonts on debian |
| 13:14.22 | AlexW | more crisp fonts |
| 13:14.22 | stoned | plus if you get a repossessed house by the bank, its even cheaper. I mean its not a nice house by any means.. but its not bad either. |
| 13:14.34 | stoned | robin_sz: like maybe 1-2 bedrooms only |
| 13:14.35 | stoned | small |
| 13:14.52 | abrotman | stoned: in most states you also have to bring it to code before you can move in |
| 13:14.52 | stoned | its a start |
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| 13:15.03 | heh_v_water | AlexW, search for truetype with apt |
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| 13:15.09 | stoned | abrotman: banks dont' sell houses that are not inspected |
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| 13:15.22 | abrotman | uhm .. |
| 13:15.31 | stoned | or do they |
| 13:15.33 | xingu | hah, even a shoebox 1bdr flat costs about 300k of your us dollars here |
| 13:15.56 | robin_sz | stoned, likewise, £75K for a 1-2 bedroom in a poor area |
| 13:16.06 | robin_sz | and in London double that or more |
| 13:16.08 | stoned | robin_sz: I just am SICK of living in apartments man |
| 13:16.15 | stoned | and rent is just pretty much pissing money away |
| 13:16.20 | stoned | I don't want to do that anymore |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | robin_sz: it's a foreclosure |
| 13:16.36 | mic_p | Hi to all. I'm tring to use the debian-installer for install a debian machine, but aftert download the Packages.gz from all the mirrors tried (it, de, at, en), the installer say me that the Packages.gz are corrupt! Is this possible? |
| 13:16.36 | abrotman | and it's totally OT :) |
| 13:16.39 | xingu | getting foreclosed is pissing money away. :) |
| 13:16.41 | stoned | yes it is |
| 13:16.45 | robin_sz | stoned, well ... it could be worse ... just think of where I have to live ... |
| 13:16.49 | stoned | hey quit draggin me into ot conv. |
| 13:16.54 | stoned | you gonna get me yelled at |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | just go to #debian-offtopic already :) |
| 13:17.10 | stoned | abrotman: nope |
| 13:17.18 | abrotman | then stop talking about it here i guess :) |
| 13:17.24 | stoned | abrotman: not after seeing you be a true prick. no thanks. |
| 13:17.32 | abrotman | mic_p: pick another mirror |
| 13:17.45 | mic_p | abrotman: I tried 4 mirrors! |
| 13:18.13 | troubled | mic_p: i suppose you could always look at the file and see if its cirrupt as in bad download or corrupt as in the file doesnt make sense to apt/dpkg using zless |
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| 13:18.42 | stoned | abrotman: maybe you're right. maybe I should to to debian-offtopic. after all, I'm just a dumb stoner who's girl doesn't love him and I'm totally clueles and have no idea hwo computes work. |
| 13:18.49 | stoned | right? |
| 13:18.54 | stoned | fuck it I'm out |
| 13:18.57 | abrotman | stoned: it doesn't matter .. it's OT in #debian :) |
| 13:19.13 | troubled | mic_p: oh, you mean when you try apt-get update, it spits out errors about a corrupt or missing Packages.gz? |
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| 13:19.22 | abrotman | mic_p: you could just use the netinst to get a base system and then once that is booted .. try from there |
| 13:19.32 | mic_p | abrotman: I tried to gunzip the file and it work... I see a "correct" Packages file. So I think that, since gunzip do its work, that the Pakges.gz are download corretly. |
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| 13:20.15 | mic_p | abrotman: I can't use netinst.. I'm tring to install debian un a slut2 :) |
| 13:20.15 | pppag | is it possible to modprobe ath_pci with an irq and dma options in order to load an unloaded pcmcia card? |
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| 13:20.26 | troubled | slut2? |
| 13:20.28 | abrotman | mic_p: oh sure .. make it more fun! |
| 13:20.31 | abrotman | slug2 i guess |
| 13:20.47 | mic_p | sorry, slug2 :) |
| 13:21.14 | troubled | !slug2 |
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| 13:21.22 | Woosta | Woohoo! A newer kernel from backports fixed the 2.6 booting problem :-) |
| 13:21.24 | abrotman | !arm |
| 13:21.24 | troubled | no clue still |
| 13:21.25 | dpkg | i heard arm is Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm |
| 13:21.30 | mic_p | abrotman: yesterday night all work, but today not... Can be that there is a problem on the Packages.gz on a mirror? |
| 13:21.38 | abrotman | mic_p: could be |
| 13:21.45 | abrotman | mic_p: which installer ? |
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| 13:22.18 | troubled | Woosta: grats. now if only you knew which option was causing problems so you dont pull your hair out when you try roll your own kernel down teh road :) |
| 13:22.27 | Woosta | LOl |
| 13:22.28 | Woosta | yeah |
| 13:23.13 | Woosta | I notice that the newer one installed udev and a few other things that I had thought were standard with 2.6 :-) |
| 13:23.22 | mic_p | abrotaman: that found on the slug2 site... http://www.slug-firmware.net/d-dls.php and, like I can see is the default debian installer (that has kernel 2.6.17) |
| 13:23.29 | Woosta | (I use 2.6 on every other machine and they all have udev .. :-)) |
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| 13:24.27 | troubled | Woosta: which ones udev? devfs was the one that made the dev's on the fly wasnt it? always forget hehe |
| 13:24.27 | Rippawallet | brb |
| 13:24.33 | troubled | !udev |
| 13:24.33 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
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| 13:24.57 | troubled | ah ok, so devfs is kernel space and udev is userspace? |
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| 13:25.53 | kepht | I'm doing a (testing) upgrade via apt-get, bug-reports says that udev is pending. If i answer no to install/upgrade, is it a all or nothing, or will it allow to select just udev not to install. |
| 13:26.04 | Woosta | troubled: guess so .. :-) |
| 13:26.13 | etchjster | does linux provide more stability towards intell i seem to have a much harder time with my amd |
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| 13:27.14 | troubled | kepht: sayin no will stop the whole thing if your at the prompt i think your at |
| 13:27.35 | h3sp4wn | etchjster: No - just the hardware takes a while before its working properly (with either amd or intel) |
| 13:27.36 | kepht | hrmm |
| 13:27.38 | troubled | kepht: not sure, but I think your wanting to mark that package on hold if you dont wish to change it |
| 13:27.43 | mic_p | abrotman: another help :), I have tge apt-proxy service into my pc and, after some tries, I see that the debian/dists/etch/Release has a different md5 that I found calculating the same to my Packages.gz file.That seen on the Packages (so uncopress) is the right one... So, for me it's the Release the problem... Can be, or I'm crazy? |
| 13:27.49 | kepht | troubled: yes |
| 13:28.10 | abrotman | mic_p: are you using nfs ? |
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| 13:28.16 | mic_p | abrotman: no |
| 13:28.17 | AlexW | is not possible to theme iceweasel |
| 13:28.39 | abrotman | probably is |
| 13:28.53 | abrotman | mic_p: any chance you've got network corruption ? |
| 13:29.12 | xerophyte | how can i find files which are greater than 12M ? find . -size 12M -exec ls -lh {} \; ?? that only display files which are 12M i want 12M+ |
| 13:29.23 | mic_p | abrotman: I think that I tried to install all about 10 times... Al have problems? :) |
| 13:29.26 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.43 | abrotman | mic_p: i'd ask the arm people in #debian-arm |
| 13:29.49 | xerophyte | war thx |
| 13:29.58 | war | np. |
| 13:30.13 | troubled | mic_p: your saying the md5 is accurate when applied to the unzip'd version of Packages.gz? |
| 13:30.13 | Mooi | http://debian.od5.co.uk/201/txt/ < what would i do to solve this? |
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| 13:30.44 | AlexW | what would be the best window system |
| 13:30.55 | kepht | troubled: if i make a listed bug # ignored, what does that do? |
| 13:31.00 | troubled | AlexW: Vista |
| 13:31.12 | Woosta | LOL |
| 13:31.16 | amphi | !best |
| 13:31.16 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 13:31.51 | troubled | kepht: not sure what you mean sry |
| 13:32.03 | mic_p | troubled: I'm seeing that I try to do the md5sum Packages and Packages.bz and make the comparison to that on the Release file. One is the same on one no! |
| 13:32.05 | sudo_maddash__ | !remote X |
| 13:32.05 | dpkg | it has been said that remote x is on the X server do, "xhost +<IP or Hostname of machine running the clients>", on the remote machine do "export DISPLAY=<Host|IP of server>:0.0" where 0.0 is the display.screen. Run the app. Ask me about sshx for more security and ease. |
| 13:32.11 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 13:32.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 13:32.15 | AlexW | troubled: well thats the best looking! |
| 13:32.17 | kepht | troubled: that's ok, thanks |
| 13:32.22 | AlexW | Best for looks |
| 13:32.46 | amphi | AlexW: what, vista?? |
| 13:32.48 | troubled | !whichwm |
| 13:32.48 | dpkg | If your looking to decide which window manager you would like to use, stop by http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ |
| 13:32.58 | etchjster | you guys are so mean |
| 13:33.10 | Woosta | AlexW: you're STILL asking a subjective question |
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| 13:33.27 | amphi | !lart etchjster |
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| 13:33.47 | sudo_maddash___ | someone should ban me for constantly disconnecting |
| 13:33.59 | sudo_maddash___ | !tell me about sshx |
| 13:34.11 | abrotman | !tell sudo_maddash_ about msg the bot |
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| 13:34.36 | troubled | sudo_maddash___: the joy of conference mode |
| 13:34.50 | AlexW | What would be best in looks! |
| 13:35.09 | etchjster | just use kde |
| 13:35.13 | troubled | AlexW: go look for yourself you lazy |
| 13:35.18 | sudo_maddash___ | abrotman: i didn't get anything from dpkg :P |
| 13:35.35 | abrotman | !tell sudo_maddash___ about msg the bot |
| 13:35.36 | troubled | AlexW: screenshots is the best your gonna get! check that URL ^^^^^^ |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | better ? |
| 13:35.40 | sudo_maddash___ | abrotman: it's just one line, anyway. and I don't use it that often |
| 13:36.05 | etchjster | anyonbe using sawfish with gnome? |
| 13:36.11 | sudo_maddash___ | abrotman, thanks for the sshx tip, btw |
| 13:36.15 | abrotman | etchjster: me |
| 13:36.23 | AlexW | lol screenshots from 1998 :P |
| 13:36.25 | etchjster | have u tried metacity? |
| 13:36.52 | amphi | sudo_maddash___: you are not identified to services... |
| 13:36.55 | cokeslut | Hi |
| 13:36.57 | troubled | AlexW: guess they forgot about their web site :) |
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| 13:37.21 | Rippawallet | the time is 13:37 |
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| 13:38.10 | abrotman | Rippawallet: get a life |
| 13:38.25 | Rippawallet | what |
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| 13:38.26 | Rippawallet | fuck you |
| 13:38.33 | AlexW | troubled: who makes a site dedicated to x window systems and doesnt even update it >_< |
| 13:38.36 | cokeslut | private |
| 13:38.51 | Rippawallet | hm |
| 13:38.51 | troubled | Rippawallet: looked pretty 1337 too me :) |
| 13:38.52 | Rippawallet | soryr |
| 13:38.54 | Rippawallet | :) |
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| 13:39.05 | amphi | AlexW: you could take over maintenance of it... |
| 13:39.11 | AlexW | :) |
| 13:39.17 | sudo_maddash____ | amphi: i can't...my nicks are all occupied |
| 13:39.28 | amphi | sudo_maddash____: huh? |
| 13:39.37 | troubled | AlexW: well, the (c) 2006 could have fooled me. but can you prove that the screenshots are really that much different then the current ver? :) |
| 13:39.38 | neowolf | hello, i can't install etch with the rc1 installer, after tasksel completes it hangs on 'please wait', although i can change to the vt's and ps -e shows aptitude running |
| 13:39.48 | abrotman | use a daily |
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| 13:39.57 | AlexW | yeah xfce is a bit out of date |
| 13:40.12 | etchjster | xfce is sweet |
| 13:40.17 | sudo_maddash____ | amphi: nvm |
| 13:40.18 | AlexW | added in January 2005 |
| 13:40.19 | amphi | sudo_maddash____: you mean the others are ghosts? |
| 13:40.21 | troubled | AlexW: im sure knowing the names is enough to google around til you find the project homepage (if its not already linked from there). go get your hands dirty and do some reasearch |
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| 13:40.38 | AlexW | added in June 1996 :P |
| 13:40.53 | etchjster | i use xfce,gnome,kde |
| 13:41.08 | etchjster | trying to figure metacity standalone |
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| 13:41.16 | abrotman | metacity is fine |
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| 13:42.04 | etchjster | u run metacity standalone? |
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| 13:42.14 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:42.14 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 13:42.27 | hardcoffee | plz someone kwon how to open ports of iptables (6112,6119,7000) ?? |
| 13:42.44 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 13:42.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 13:43.34 | etchjster | dude please this is not english 101 this is find out how to fix your fucked up linux install as fast as you can. |
| 13:43.49 | troubled | abrotman: you realise that bitchin about it just wasted another 3 lines on my screen? (4 including this one) :p |
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| 13:44.00 | etchjster | and my 2 |
| 13:44.02 | amphi | troubled: 80x25? ;) |
| 13:44.04 | abrotman | troubled: about what ? |
| 13:44.11 | troubled | abrotman: about !u :) |
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| 13:44.34 | abrotman | troubled: if i could drive to every offender's house and personally beat them up .. i would |
| 13:44.35 | etchjster | if you dont yell at people for :) :( :0 |
| 13:44.50 | etchjster | i mean what the hell is that crap |
| 13:44.57 | troubled | :p |
| 13:45.21 | etchjster | right |
| 13:45.21 | nivanson | etchjster and troubled, behave. |
| 13:45.21 | amphi | etchjster: what's wrong with ascii leering? |
| 13:45.22 | troubled | etchjster: i do it cause i have emoticons show up in this zillachat |
| 13:45.23 | etchjster | this is me sticking out my binary tounge |
| 13:45.42 | amphi | wtf is a 'tounge'? |
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| 13:45.51 | etchjster | me not knowing how to spell |
| 13:46.13 | abrotman | we've already covered that :) |
| 13:46.16 | etchjster | did i come here saying i won the national spelling bee? |
| 13:46.29 | AntiInit | Hello. Pls, How can I do a netinstal using a wpa wlan card? how/where do i enter the keys? tx |
| 13:46.33 | troubled | thats not how you spell tounge?! :p |
| 13:46.41 | Ronin | tongue |
| 13:46.52 | troubled | ahh ya that rings a bell ty Ronin :) |
| 13:47.06 | amphi | heh |
| 13:47.07 | Ronin | not often i get to spell a word correctly |
| 13:47.18 | troubled | then wtf is a tounge? |
| 13:47.21 | AntiInit | I would install, but I only have a wlan |
| 13:47.25 | troubled | !dict tounge |
| 13:47.26 | dpkg | could not find definition for tounge |
| 13:47.46 | amphi | troubled: yeah, my local dictd didn't know either :( |
| 13:47.47 | troubled | cool..... |
| 13:48.11 | troubled | alias tounge = 'tongue'; |
| 13:48.21 | troubled | there, all better now :) |
| 13:48.34 | amphi | add it to the 'custom dictionary' ;) |
| 13:48.51 | troubled | someone run that through festival, might just have to make a new word up today :) |
| 13:49.46 | karmatronic | AntiInit, i would say you cant since the drivers for running most wifi cards are not in the default kernel |
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| 13:50.22 | troubled | bah, wifi can go to hell imho |
| 13:51.14 | AntiInit | oh well. Looks like i need both DVDs then :( |
| 13:51.20 | Rippawallet | brb |
| 13:51.28 | abrotman | the first should have enough to get WPA going ... |
| 13:51.31 | AntiInit | wifi rules |
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| 13:51.41 | etchjster | wifi can stay my neighbors works so nice |
| 13:51.57 | AntiInit | haha, wep rules |
| 13:52.03 | troubled | 1) its security is based soley on math most ppl cant verify, 2) it cant be recorded from far away with proper equipment and hacked whenever, 3) driver support for it in linux is terrible compared to just walkin into a store and buyin it for a win box |
| 13:52.25 | Mooi | Why does removing mysql-server require to start mysql server?! |
| 13:52.28 | troubled | wep heh |
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| 13:52.35 | xingu | wifi is hard lets go shopping! |
| 13:52.50 | Mooi | http://debian.od5.co.uk/202/txt/ |
| 13:52.55 | karmatronic | troubled, i dont agree , most wifi cards work well under linux |
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| 13:53.09 | karmatronic | troubled, problem with wifi is just security .... |
| 13:53.25 | AntiInit | wpa is OK |
| 13:53.34 | AntiInit | aes etc |
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| 13:53.35 | troubled | karmatronic: define well though. 95% of anything ive seen under linux only ever supports 3/4 of the features you pay for |
| 13:54.01 | karmatronic | troubled, atheros cards work better under linux,they cant be put on monitor mode |
| 13:54.08 | karmatronic | troubled, or used as an AP |
| 13:54.18 | karmatronic | troubled, try to to do that with a XP |
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| 13:54.48 | troubled | karmatronic: thats one brand of card. what about the other 400 :/ |
| 13:54.52 | karmatronic | troubled, ipw2200 are perfecly supported |
| 13:54.55 | AntiInit | 10 Gigs of DVD to download just to get wlan capability to do install :( |
| 13:55.03 | h3sp4wn | ralink works quite well with the rewritten drivers |
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| 13:55.15 | karmatronic | troubled, and those are the one sold with most intel s |
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| 13:55.17 | karmatronic | laptops |
| 13:55.20 | troubled | AntiInit: you never heard of apt-get? heh |
| 13:55.22 | AntiInit | is there a minimal debian install that I can do to get wpa and wlan ? |
| 13:55.33 | AntiInit | I need wlan to do an apt-get |
| 13:55.42 | AntiInit | chicken != egg |
| 13:55.45 | karmatronic | for the remaining wifi cards , you can still use ndiswrapper |
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| 13:55.55 | karmatronic | although it s not an optimal solution |
| 13:56.08 | troubled | karmatronic: whats the 11g support like these days? last time i played the wifi game i had to pick a prism set just to be able to use it, and pickins were slim few years back |
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| 13:56.24 | Tallu | troubled: just good |
| 13:56.41 | karmatronic | troubled, really wifi under linux is not a problem |
| 13:56.42 | hark | AntiInit: get the first cd i guess, or use ethernet... |
| 13:56.45 | troubled | AntiInit: your on the net now. use this connection silly |
| 13:56.48 | Tallu | troubled: just steer away from Broadcom. |
| 13:56.48 | amphi | troubled: ralink works ok, my intel 2200 does too, albeit with t3h 3vil fw bl0b |
| 13:56.56 | karmatronic | troubled, compared to let s say....modem support |
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| 13:57.09 | xingu | ipw3945 works well enough also. |
| 13:57.11 | h3sp4wn | AntiInit: first cd - and whatever wifi drivers you need + wpasupplicant |
| 13:57.12 | Tallu | I bought an ubiquiti myself. Never been happier, works just perfect |
| 13:57.14 | karmatronic | troubled, winmodems |
| 13:57.18 | troubled | karmatronic: well, least those days are somewhat over :) |
| 13:57.21 | amphi | karmatronic: modems are well supported - slot warmers less so |
| 13:57.22 | Mooi | Why does removing mysql-server require to start mysql server?! |
| 13:57.24 | xingu | as does all the prism2 and prism2.5 family |
| 13:57.30 | AntiInit | thanks |
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| 13:57.42 | karmatronic | xingu, yes |
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| 13:58.04 | xingu | but hey, never let that get in the way of a good old fashioned bash of the state of linux 802.11 "a few years back" |
| 13:58.49 | karmatronic | time to eat... |
| 13:59.03 | AntiInit | this is going to be fun |
| 13:59.10 | xingu | if it weren't for linux wlan, my prism's would all still be running their shipping, buggy, sta firmware |
| 13:59.19 | troubled | karmatronic: you know, i would play with wifi if it wasnt for the fact that i just simple dont trust the encryption on it. plus the card i got 11b only supports wep :( so unless i use another linux box with the same card and ipsec, the security just isnt there. i mean i cant trust it using wep talkin to a router, im sure mac spoofin applies to wlan's as well yes? |
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| 13:59.41 | etchjster | Signoff: karmatronic ("Saliendo") |
| 13:59.54 | h3sp4wn | troubled: just use a vpn |
| 13:59.56 | xingu | and hey, lets just assume for a second that unencrypted wired transports are any more secure than their wireless cousins too |
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| 14:00.08 | h3sp4wn | troubled: (no encryption on the wifi at all) |
| 14:00.39 | troubled | h3sp4wn: but the device im talking to cant be trusted since it doesnt support vpn's, just wep |
| 14:01.10 | h3sp4wn | troubled: If the only way to get anywhere is thru ipsec it doesn't need to be trusted at all |
| 14:01.58 | troubled | h3sp4wn: no, im sayin that unless the router supports ipsec/vpn of sorts over the wlan, its insecure |
| 14:02.17 | maddash_ | when i `ssh -CX` into my laptop (which already has X running), `echo $DISPLAY` on the remote box returns blank newlines. why's this? |
| 14:02.28 | h3sp4wn | troubled: the ipsec is independant of the wlan |
| 14:02.56 | xingu | welcome to the wonderful world of layered network stacks |
| 14:03.04 | xingu | datalink != network. |
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| 14:03.11 | abrotman | stocks suck! |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | stacks too :) |
| 14:03.27 | troubled | h3sp4wn: im sayin the router doesnt support it. and i dont know about you, but my net traffic isnt over ipsec |
| 14:03.29 | amphi | maddash_: x forwarding is enabled? |
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| 14:04.15 | xingu | abrotman: they work pretty well on sparcs or anything else with register windows. :) |
| 14:04.22 | abrotman | stocks or stacks ? :) |
| 14:04.27 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:04.28 | xingu | stacks |
| 14:04.35 | h3sp4wn | troubled: and you don't have another box that is on 24/7 ? |
| 14:04.37 | HardDisk_WP | anyone experienced in using addrbook? |
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| 14:05.20 | HardDisk_WP | s/addrbook/abook |
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| 14:05.29 | troubled | h3sp4wn: only have 1 wifi card. so unless i had 2 and made a vpn between the two....basically 1 wep based card + 1 wep based router = gun shot to head for stupidity |
| 14:05.48 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 14:06.18 | troubled | h3sp4wn: there is no way for me to secure a wifi link with my setup unless i were to get an ipsec/vpn somewhere on the net as my gateway for that wlan |
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| 14:06.50 | robin_sz | well, is the router also your ADSL connection? |
| 14:07.02 | h3sp4wn | troubled: Any pc can do ipsec decently if you have one then its easy |
| 14:07.14 | h3sp4wn | troubled: to use as a gateway |
| 14:07.15 | robin_sz | or could you go ... wifi->router->ethernet->linuxbox->adsl |
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| 14:07.42 | h3sp4wn | and use ipsec over the untrusted wlan connection |
| 14:07.44 | troubled | robin_sz: thats about the only choice i would have |
| 14:08.01 | xingu | or you could throw the router in the bin and replace it with one that has some sort of transport-mode equivalent encryption |
| 14:08.07 | troubled | but atm i just have ether>router>modem |
| 14:08.16 | robin_sz | or, you could just stop being paranoid, like who wants to listen to your data anyway |
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| 14:08.56 | troubled | xingu: that would be prefer. this router is a old piece of garbage, prolly programmed by a team of ppl making the worlds first firmware |
| 14:09.49 | robin_sz | if you assume that all networks are insecure, then so long as you alwys use secure PROTOCOLS eg ssh, https for sensitive info, then whether or not your wlan is secure is irrelevant |
| 14:09.50 | troubled | robin_sz: boy, come over here so i can slap you lol. thats like tellin you mom "oh dont worry about the firewall, who's gonna want into your box anyways" |
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| 14:10.00 | robin_sz | no its not |
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| 14:10.04 | troubled | yes it is |
| 14:10.05 | maddash_ | i'm getting "user not authorized to run the x server" when i try `startx` on my laptop from a remote ssh session. but when the same command works when i issue it on the laptop itself. wtf? |
| 14:10.09 | robin_sz | assume all networks are insecure. job done |
| 14:10.18 | xingu | a fair few of the mvl based home gateways support ipsec these days; I've never tested if they support an inside connection, it's usually designed for remote access to site. |
| 14:10.21 | maddash_ | s\when the\the |
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| 14:10.44 | etchjster | wpa2 protocol |
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| 14:11.02 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 14:11.22 | maddash_ | anyone? |
| 14:11.34 | troubled | so tell me you elite wlan guru's. is wifi suceptable to arp poisoning? |
| 14:11.41 | ^rob^ | i need a good tutorial on bootsplash - i tryed but without success - i want to know where the heck i do wrong |
| 14:11.55 | xingu | maddash: pam is probably adding you into extra groups in the latter case |
| 14:12.03 | robin_sz | maddash, thats nto a problem its a safety feature |
| 14:12.19 | HardDisk_WP | anyone experienced in using abook? |
| 14:12.28 | xingu | troubled: mine isn't |
| 14:12.56 | xingu | troubled: if your question is - do 802.3-like transports support arp learning - the answer is yes. |
| 14:13.00 | robin_sz | maddash, since the remoste suer cant see the laptop screen, why on earth would they want to run the x server? |
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| 14:13.42 | Mooi | Why does removing mysql-server require to start mysql server?! |
| 14:13.44 | robin_sz | maddash__, thats nto a problem its a safety feature |
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| 14:13.56 | robin_sz | maddash__, since the remoste suer cant see the laptop screen, why on earth would they want to run the x server? |
| 14:14.29 | etchjster | for someone else? |
| 14:14.34 | troubled | xingu: that seems like the big porblem with wifi to me. dont they have some kinda certificate exchange these days based on like a serial number on the card? ie: something that cnat easily be changed? |
| 14:14.45 | robin_sz | get the someone else to type startx then |
| 14:14.56 | robin_sz | i suspect he really wants ssh -X |
| 14:15.00 | maddash__ | robin_sz: erm, remote X session over ssh? |
| 14:15.11 | robin_sz | you need ssh -X |
| 14:15.18 | maddash__ | robin_sz: that's what i'm doing |
| 14:15.23 | robin_sz | then run the remote application |
| 14:15.26 | maddash__ | robin_sz: ssh -CX |
| 14:15.28 | robin_sz | not startx |
| 14:15.38 | troubled | xingu: i mean, ive seen the articles that say, oh enable mac filters to only talk to certain cards, but if you snoop wifi traffic and you had the encryption key, do you not see the mac address of the sender as well? |
| 14:15.42 | robin_sz | run xchat on the remote box then ... |
| 14:15.49 | robin_sz | and it will display on your local box |
| 14:15.51 | maddash__ | robin_sz: ok, `xcalc` returns "can't open display:" |
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| 14:16.15 | robin_sz | then check the remote box has X forwarding enabled in sshd config |
| 14:16.20 | maddash__ | robin_sz: ever heard of a remote X session? |
| 14:16.21 | amphi | maddash__: do you have x forwarding enabled on the laptop's sshd? |
| 14:16.22 | robin_sz | and restart sshd if nec |
| 14:16.28 | maddash__ | amphi: yep. |
| 14:16.35 | maddash__ | amphi: it's enabled by default |
| 14:16.37 | xingu | troubled: this is a little OT; yes; but snooping != poisoning; if you have static arp tables, no learning takes place, hence no poisoning is possible. |
| 14:16.39 | amphi | maddash__: and restarted sshd? |
| 14:16.50 | robin_sz | maddash_, yes, i have, but apparently you havent .. you do NOT startx for a remote session |
| 14:16.56 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 14:17.21 | xingu | troubled: you seem a little confused between the concept of 802.11 bss association and 802.3 datalink addressing (and the learning of) |
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| 14:17.44 | troubled | xingu: im just sayin, for someone like me to use his wep hardware direct to a wep router would be silly. after an attacker spent the 5 min breaking the key, the next step would be to watch for my mac and xmit when im not on |
| 14:18.14 | robin_sz | maddash_, startx when run on the remote box tries to display things on the screen attched to the remote box, as such is useless remotely, and as such ssh prevents you from doing it to save you from yourself |
| 14:18.21 | xingu | troubled: in any case end station identification is doubly solveable at the network and transport layers. |
| 14:18.47 | xingu | troubled: if you're making policy decisions based soley on datalink addressing you're on a hiding to nothing. |
| 14:18.55 | etchjster | i love you guys |
| 14:19.02 | robin_sz | you presumably want to run the app (like xcalc) on the remote box and display it on your local box ... this does not need the xserver running on your remote box |
| 14:19.24 | robin_sz | maddash_, wait, you DO have xserver running on your local box right? |
| 14:19.36 | robin_sz | echo $DISPLAY? |
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| 14:23.12 | bryant | oh, i give up. |
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| 14:27.19 | jenipapo | hi all |
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| 14:35.43 | abrotman | !moo |
| 14:35.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 14:35.45 | mepaYancho | [moo] [OS] Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600) [Uptime] 3d 6h 5m 26s [CPU] 1-AMD , 2199MHz (50% Load) [RAM] Usage: 814/1024MB (79.49%) [||||||||--] [Hard Drive] C:\ (42.25GB Free, 51.39GB Total), D:\ (89.90GB Free, 97.65GB Total), G:\ (2.74GB Free, 9.77GB Total), H:\ (1.34GB Free, 39.06GB Total), I:\ (0.15GB Free, 58.59GB Total), J:\ (0.32GB Free, 7.06GB Total) |
| 14:36.00 | xingu | heh |
| 14:36.03 | Eclipser | eh |
| 14:36.12 | Eclipser | mepaYancho, busted! |
| 14:36.14 | Justin | ah, drive letters, how quaint |
| 14:36.22 | xingu | collateral moo |
| 14:36.27 | xingu | it's a drive by mooing |
| 14:36.33 | mepaYancho | \o/ |
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| 14:36.40 | abrotman | turn it off! |
| 14:37.15 | xingu | isn't there something in the original client that prevented privmsg in response to privmsg? |
| 14:37.28 | xingu | I thought the golden rule was always notice in response to privmsg |
| 14:40.37 | daxxar | AFAIK that's why they had notices, yes. |
| 14:40.43 | daxxar | So that bots wouldn't trigger bots and such |
| 14:41.33 | xingu | so broken, as well as obnoxious |
| 14:42.04 | xand | talking to someone using notices sounds very annoying |
| 14:42.53 | abrotman | it is |
| 14:42.53 | daxxar | You don't talk to them, you get automated replies from them. |
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| 14:43.19 | xand | *you* might not talk to bots :P |
| 14:44.35 | troubled | dpkg: how are you? |
| 14:44.35 | dpkg | troubled: peachy |
| 14:44.47 | troubled | dpkg: and the wife? |
| 14:44.52 | robin_sz | You didnt have to tell us it was windows, we coiuld have guessed fromt he 50% or more CPU useage |
| 14:44.54 | troubled | hehe |
| 14:45.15 | troubled | robin_sz: it would have thought the dirve letters, but meh :) |
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| 14:46.21 | xingu | and here was me thinking they were using vms |
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| 14:57.38 | szarak | hi |
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| 14:57.59 | tester | cat /proc/meminfo dirty: 485kb... what does that mean? |
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| 14:58.34 | tester | it goes up and down |
| 14:58.48 | Drakeson | assume I have a set of packages installed. how can I find a "minimum" set of packages to reproduce this set (through dependencies)? |
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| 14:59.28 | tester | i found it: Memory which is waiting to get written back to the disk |
| 14:59.34 | for2 | I finally figured out that disabling acpi will give me a working pcmcia socket. Now what can I do to enable acpi and still have my PCMCia card detected?? |
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| 14:59.50 | for2 | kernel 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 15:00.29 | for2 | before i was getting "no PCI irq, cardbus cards are not supported" |
| 15:00.39 | for2 | but acpi was running fine |
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| 15:01.00 | Eulex | for2, you might try using apm instead |
| 15:01.42 | k-man | do i need to patch the kernel to use suspend2? |
| 15:02.16 | maddash_______ | k-man: yes. |
| 15:02.33 | k-man | is there a way of suspending without having to patch the kernel? |
| 15:02.38 | for2 | eulex: i trie apm=on but didnt show up in dmesg afterward, so i guess no apm on ths machine |
| 15:02.54 | for2 | what else could i do, cause without acpi i dont have a fan |
| 15:03.17 | maddash_______ | k-man: yes. use swsusp. |
| 15:03.24 | k-man | swsusp? hmmm |
| 15:03.41 | maddash_______ | k-man: try `sudo cat /sys/power/state` |
| 15:04.11 | k-man | maddash_____, standby mem disk |
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| 15:05.02 | maddash_______ | k-man: do you want to standby or hibernate? |
| 15:05.10 | k-man | hibernate |
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| 15:05.27 | maddash_______ | k-man: to hibernate, `echo disk > /sys/power/state` |
| 15:05.41 | k-man | thats all? |
| 15:05.48 | magnus | I tried install debian with the goodbye-microsoft.com app, but it fails. Kernel panic - try noapic, it says. How can I try noapic? |
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| 15:07.20 | maddash________ | geez. |
| 15:07.22 | loes | !md5sum |
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| 15:07.24 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 15:07.34 | loes | !dpkg |
| 15:07.34 | for2 | !acpi |
| 15:07.35 | dpkg | [acpi] Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 15:07.51 | loes | !dpkg |
| 15:08.03 | hardcoffee | !iptables |
| 15:08.04 | dpkg | somebody said iptables was the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
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| 15:08.14 | magnus | !noacpi |
| 15:08.15 | loes | !md5sum |
| 15:08.17 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 15:08.43 | for2 | magnus: you mean noapic or no acpi |
| 15:08.45 | maddash | magnus: "grep -i noapic /boot/config-`uname -r` " |
| 15:09.14 | loes | !dpkg |
| 15:09.30 | magnus | I use the goodbye-microsoft app |
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| 15:09.50 | magnus | After reboot, when the installation program boots it says kernel panic, bla bla, try noapic option |
| 15:10.11 | loes | can somebody help me with my screen re |
| 15:10.21 | loes | cant change it to 1280 |
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| 15:10.41 | etchjster | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:10.47 | loes | did it |
| 15:10.51 | sam_uk | i want a user to be able to create a username + password on 'first boot' of machines that i am preparing for sale/giveaway. Is there a tool for this? |
| 15:11.00 | loes | !dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:11.00 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg-reconfigure is a tool used to reconfigure packages |
| 15:11.07 | loes | didnt work |
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| 15:11.39 | etchjster | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 15:11.50 | loes | no xfree86config |
| 15:12.40 | nivanson | When running s2disk, s2ram or s2both I get "suspend: Could not stat the resume device file". Anybody know how to fix this or manually suspend to disk? |
| 15:12.49 | loes | XF86Config |
| 15:13.05 | loes | i use that but that file differs from XF86Config-4 |
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| 15:22.04 | displaced | does anyone know why alsaconf doesn't retain settings? |
| 15:22.34 | eheil | displaced: It does in unstable. |
| 15:22.50 | displaced | i'm using unstable, it doesn't |
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| 15:23.14 | displaced | any audio program tells me that the soundcard isn't configured |
| 15:23.23 | displaced | run alsaconf and it works |
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| 15:23.33 | displaced | reboot, and i get the same error |
| 15:23.33 | DimmuR | displaced, did you try alsactl store? |
| 15:24.06 | displaced | DimmuR, explain |
| 15:24.09 | displaced | please? |
| 15:24.49 | DimmuR | displaced, it should write configuration and read it on boot |
| 15:25.15 | eheil | displaced: Not that this matters, but I'm not running on I386, so can't speak about it here. I does work on Sparc64. |
| 15:25.23 | displaced | It states that it's writing the config and actually shows it loading the module with insmod |
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| 15:25.33 | displaced | but you reboot and i have no sound |
| 15:25.53 | etchjster | alsactl store |
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| 15:26.39 | displaced | this is the command? |
| 15:26.56 | displaced | i've used debian for years as a server, this is my first real desktop |
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| 15:27.39 | etchjster | i ran alsaconf |
| 15:27.46 | etchjster | alsamixer |
| 15:27.50 | etchjster | alsactl store |
| 15:28.09 | displaced | ok, i ran it. give me a sec, rebooting |
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| 15:28.44 | kiba | what in the world is kbfx? |
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| 15:30.12 | alexandru | http://www.nomoreclicking.com/?ref=39965 |
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| 15:30.26 | etchjster | lspci shows vga stuff |
| 15:30.30 | nivanson | kiba: An menu applet for kde |
| 15:30.33 | spyroboy | I have a US Robotic VP2976 PCI 56K V.92 modem here.. would it be safe to install that onto my board? |
| 15:30.44 | kiba | hmm |
| 15:30.46 | kiba | cool |
| 15:30.49 | spyroboy | furthermore, do you think it's even worth trying to see if it's supported? |
| 15:30.51 | kiba | I already researched it |
| 15:30.55 | kiba | it seem that their site is down |
| 15:31.05 | Mooi | can somebody show me how to search through a directory for files with ending of ".cpp" and the places that it contains "irc" or "6667" in? |
| 15:31.31 | spyroboy | Err.. |
| 15:31.36 | spyroboy | alexandru, are you a bot? |
| 15:31.37 | zinx | !ops alexandru!n=alexandr@83.103.227.103 public-spamming (see above) |
| 15:31.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: alexandru!n=alexandr@83.103.227.103 public-spamming (see above) |
| 15:31.46 | spyroboy | yeah that |
| 15:31.47 | spyroboy | rofl |
| 15:31.50 | Mooi | !ops alexandru!n=alexandr@83.103.227.103 public-spamming (see above) |
| 15:31.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: mooi complains about: alexandru!n=alexandr@83.103.227.103 public-spamming (see above) |
| 15:31.57 | zinx | spyroboy: please tell me you didn't click his pay-per-click link... |
| 15:32.05 | Mooi | don't click these links!:) |
| 15:32.13 | spyroboy | zinx, I didn't realize what it said.. |
| 15:32.19 | spyroboy | I thought it was the KDE menu |
| 15:32.21 | spyroboy | rofl |
| 15:33.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 15:33.02 | alexandru | 10nx everyone who click |
| 15:33.14 | spyroboy | I presume he's getting kicked or something? |
| 15:33.16 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@83.103.227.103] by mentor |
| 15:33.16 | *** kick/#debian [alexandru!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor] by mentor (mentor) |
| 15:33.17 | spyroboy | meh. |
| 15:33.19 | spyroboy | rofl |
| 15:33.22 | Mooi | lol |
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| 15:34.01 | spyroboy | anyway.. |
| 15:34.14 | spyroboy | I've got this modem here.. a US Robotic VP2976 PCI 56K V.92 modem. |
| 15:34.15 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:34.24 | spyroboy | Should I try to install it? |
| 15:34.31 | spyroboy | I want to try to get Ekiga to call out with it. |
| 15:34.47 | spyroboy | I'm using an AMD64 Debian system. |
| 15:35.10 | spyroboy | Ideas? Ideas? |
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| 15:39.30 | h3sp4wn | !any ideas |
| 15:39.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little thermal paste, and 42 three-legged platypuses. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:39.33 | Mooi | pngwn? |
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| 15:41.02 | JMartinC | hi guys, I'm new to debian, gentoo user, someone screw up my apt-get, it has a package that generates an error, I can't remove it, it says I need to reinstall it first, but I can't reinstall it,, it sends me a lot of errors.. |
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| 15:41.22 | xingu | !gentoo |
| 15:41.23 | dpkg | methinks gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 15:41.58 | abrotman | JMartinC: please show us the error |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:42.00 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 15:42.25 | sam_uk | is it possible to configure pam/gdm/kdm to allow a user to create a account on login? I want to be able to sell/giveaway machines without having to log into them and manually add a user... I want the not-technical end user to be able to do that themselves.. is this possible please? |
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| 15:43.18 | abrotman | sam_uk: that sounds ... bad |
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| 15:43.28 | JMartinC | abrotman, Error is in spanish, but it says mfc240ccupswrapper need to be reinstalled, but it can't find the file to reinstall |
| 15:43.37 | xingu | it also sounds the like kind of advice I'd at least be charging beer for. |
| 15:43.42 | JMartinC | abrotman, I'm using apt-get remove |
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| 15:43.50 | abrotman | JMartinC: aptitude update && aptitude reinstall <pkg> |
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| 15:44.14 | sam_uk | abrotman bad? could you elaborate please? |
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| 15:44.36 | abrotman | sam_uk: you want to let *anyone* who wants to have an account ? |
| 15:44.58 | sam_uk | on the 'first boot' of the machine yes |
| 15:45.01 | JMartinC | abrotman, the package is not on apt-get mirrors, it a driver I've downloaded from provider, I have it on my HD |
| 15:45.13 | xingu | he wants an xp-like create-your-identity-on-first-poweron screen |
| 15:45.20 | abrotman | JMartinC: dpkg -i <pkg> |
| 15:45.22 | sts | hello folks |
| 15:45.34 | sam_uk | xingu that's exactly what i want |
| 15:45.38 | xingu | for free |
| 15:45.48 | sts | how can i remove all packages from my system that are NOT part of the debian base system? |
| 15:45.50 | xingu | for systems that are getting sold, I assume for profit |
| 15:45.52 | abrotman | or try cp <pkg> /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 15:46.05 | abrotman | sts: deborphan is a help |
| 15:46.08 | sam_uk | well if it does not exist we may be able to pay for it's development... |
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| 15:46.39 | sam_uk | we are a non profit, we give away machines in grant funded projects |
| 15:46.42 | aFlag | hello, does anyone know about a program to open a ps in the terminal? |
| 15:46.54 | rhalff | hi how do I get my package list in normal state again, many have the status uninstall, dpkg --clear-selections doesn't solve a thing |
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| 15:47.05 | sam_uk | we are also going to be trialling £50 recycled machines |
| 15:47.21 | amphi | aFlag: bmv (svgalib) |
| 15:47.36 | aFlag | thanks |
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| 15:47.49 | xingu | ok - what you're after doesn't exist in that form; about as close as it gets is the initial "create your first user" shellscript most distros have in the tail end of initial install |
| 15:47.53 | abrotman | sam_uk: so why have accounts at all ? |
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| 15:48.13 | sts | abrotman: how? |
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| 15:48.27 | abrotman | man deborphan ? |
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| 15:48.48 | xingu | if you're after a numpty frontend to newuser that you can bolt in as a oneshot to gdm - you need to write it or ask someone to |
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| 15:49.42 | sam_uk | OK thanks, anyone have a rough idea how many skilled man-hours development time that would be? |
| 15:50.11 | xingu | if you keep it simple you could probably whack it together in python in a week or so using sdl toolkit or similar |
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| 15:50.37 | nick_fn | I have python2.5-dev and python2.5 installed, but pyversions -i only returns 2.4... do I have something confused? |
| 15:51.06 | sts | abrotman: i don't see any option in the man page that does what i want :) |
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| 15:51.14 | abrotman | sts: there's no magic .. it takes work |
| 15:51.27 | sts | hm |
| 15:51.29 | sam_uk | Ok thanks |
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| 15:51.52 | sts | abrotman: how do i know which packages have been added to the system? |
| 15:51.55 | cherrybonbon | hoi guys, I want to install woody from dvd - but i dont know which networkdriver is needed for my networkcard (Netgear FA311 (FC-515LS)) - anyone can help me? |
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| 15:52.05 | Candid | hi, is there any possibility to install a pdo sqlite3 driver for php5 on debian? |
| 15:52.11 | Tallu | cherrybonbon: woody.. why |
| 15:52.14 | xand | cherrybonbon: why do you want to do that?! |
| 15:52.25 | abrotman | sts: becase you added them |
| 15:52.28 | cherrybonbon | cause i dont have another release at home :/ |
| 15:52.41 | xand | install sarge |
| 15:52.44 | xand | or etch |
| 15:52.52 | sts | abrotman: no, i didn't |
| 15:53.11 | sts | abrotman: i have a vserver and the provider added stuff to the installation |
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| 15:53.39 | cherrybonbon | hm k ill try to get sarge or etch - but i think the problem will be the same |
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| 15:54.12 | xand | cherrybonbon: nah, newer versions autodetect hardware |
| 15:54.12 | Eulex | cherrybonbon, the chipset name of that one is National Semiconductor DP8381X |
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| 15:54.38 | graytron | who wants to buy my old woody installation cds |
| 15:54.47 | abrotman | junkyard |
| 15:54.47 | xand | graytron: hahaha |
| 15:54.52 | cherrybonbon | xand: ah well :) - so ill give it a try |
| 15:54.56 | xingu | sts: /var/log/dpkg.log? |
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| 15:55.01 | GeorgeS069 | graytron: nobody wants your old woody |
| 15:55.11 | graytron | :( |
| 15:55.29 | Eulex | cherrybonbon, http://www.phoronix.com/lch/?k=entry&l=67&t=Netgear -- "Notes: Works great with "NATSEMI" module." |
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| 15:55.49 | cherrybonbon | Eulex: ty! |
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| 15:56.01 | eMish__ | Apt manual talks about the "tree" names (stable etc). Which commands prints me the name of the "tree" to which my installation belong ? |
| 15:56.18 | xand | eMish__: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:56.41 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 15:56.41 | eMish__ | Does 'edgy' sound like a "tree name" ? |
| 15:56.52 | graytron | eMish__: /etc/debian_version |
| 15:56.54 | fas3r | it's possible to execute shelle command in C program :s ? |
| 15:57.07 | eMish__ | Hmmm |
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| 15:57.17 | Eulex | cherrybonbon, but if woody doesn't have that module... you're kinda SOL and will have to try sarge or etch |
| 15:57.30 | eMish__ | sources.list says "edgy". /etc/debian_version says "testing/unstable". Which one is the "tree name" ? |
| 15:57.31 | Eulex | eMish__, edgy is an ubuntu release. |
| 15:57.41 | xand | eMish__: that's not debian, that's ubuntu... choi ;) |
| 15:57.58 | xand | ciao even |
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| 15:58.11 | enouf | cherrybonbon: natsemi dp8381x driver, version 1.07+LK1.0.17, Sep 27, 2002 |
| 15:58.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.37 | eMish__ | So, ubunty is a branch of debian ? |
| 15:58.41 | Eulex | no |
| 15:58.41 | GeorgeS069 | xingu: I still have a few walnut creek cd's around here :P |
| 15:58.44 | Eulex | !ubuntu |
| 15:58.45 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 15:58.55 | enouf | cherrybonbon: here's mine natsemi eth0: NatSemi DP8381[56] at 0xf4000000 (0000:00:0e.0), 00:07:5b:2f:10:f5, IRQ 11, port TP. |
| 15:59.00 | abrotman | !mepis |
| 15:59.00 | dpkg | [mepis] a Debian Unstable-based liveCD distribution similar to Knoppix, with its own hardware detection system that uses KDE and includes NVIDIA proprietary 3D driver. See http://www.mepis.org and/or visit #mepis and ask me about <Based On Debian> |
| 15:59.20 | Eulex | eMish__, ubuntu is not debian at all. |
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| 15:59.26 | eMish__ | i see |
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| 16:00.12 | eMish__ | is there kde-based live-cd distro which *is* debian ? |
| 16:00.16 | xand | no |
| 16:00.19 | eMish__ | ok |
| 16:00.30 | Eulex | there is no official debian live cd atm |
| 16:00.40 | Eulex | there is one that is being developed, though |
| 16:00.47 | enouf | !livecd |
| 16:00.48 | dpkg | livecd is probably an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 16:00.51 | eMish__ | live CDs are cool |
| 16:00.57 | xand | it might be released in the next decade |
| 16:01.02 | enouf | http://live.debian.net/ |
| 16:01.06 | xand | by the time CDs are no longer around |
| 16:01.10 | zinx | xand: wow! before etch? no way! |
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| 16:01.15 | Eulex | well, isn't it supposed to work quite well already? |
| 16:01.15 | xand | :P |
| 16:01.22 | Eulex | I mean, the tool that creates a live-cd |
| 16:01.23 | pngwn | yes it does |
| 16:01.36 | enouf | there's also grml.org .. byt again not pure debian |
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| 16:01.43 | enouf | s/byt/but |
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| 16:01.52 | eMish__ | by the time speed of cd will be == speed of hd, it wuold be silly not to have one :-) |
| 16:01.54 | graytron | shouldn't we be fixing bugs |
| 16:01.57 | xingu | xand: I think the last one was on 45rpm vinyl |
| 16:02.03 | enouf | yep |
| 16:02.09 | xand | lol |
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| 16:02.16 | enouf | yay Shellac! |
| 16:02.26 | enouf | 78 |
| 16:03.47 | eMish__ | 33 1/3 |
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| 16:06.12 | jamesvieuxport | hi |
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| 16:08.21 | janttsu | if i install linux on raid 0 but don't install any grub/lilo on it, could i boot using a cd? it seems that at least the debian installation cd doesn't have this option? |
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| 16:09.25 | {xmb} | can linux boot off ntfs ? |
| 16:09.28 | xingu | janttsu: mindi/mondo |
| 16:09.44 | GeorgeS069 | stew: if you're here...I ditched the "evil" ndiswrapper plan and went with the bcm43xx driver...wireless is working.I can scan for AP's and even see my own I just can't Auth yet but,I'm still working on it |
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| 16:10.20 | amphi | GeorgeS069: cool |
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| 16:10.36 | amphi | GeorgeS069: can you associate ok without any crypto? |
| 16:10.38 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: yeah it is...I didn't think I'd get this far :/ |
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| 16:11.53 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: That is my next plan of attack...turn off all crypto and jet get connected |
| 16:11.54 | GeorgeS069 | s/jet/just get |
| 16:11.54 | janttsu | xingu: seems like the right thing. thanks. |
| 16:12.13 | GeorgeS069 | maybe when I'm all done I can help a few people get thier broadcom crap working :) |
| 16:12.22 | amphi | GeorgeS069: iwconfig <iface> essid <ap_essid> should be enough to associate, and then run dhclient <iface> should configure the iface for you |
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| 16:12.39 | jelly-home | janttsu: you can install grub on a floppy (or a floppy image and use it as a boot image for cd) |
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| 16:13.14 | xingu | the world would be a simpler place if someone forked dhclient and taught it about wext and wpa |
| 16:13.37 | xingu | I know the layering is as wrong as sin |
| 16:13.46 | xingu | but you gotta admit there's a certain attraction. |
| 16:14.03 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: well,if that works ok then I will be right back : |
| 16:14.23 | janttsu | jelly-home: so if i have grub on cd, can it boot my raid0 setup? |
| 16:14.29 | janttsu | that could be just fine |
| 16:14.38 | janttsu | i never actually boot.. only after installation |
| 16:15.44 | jelly-home | janttsu: oh sorry, didn't catch that raid0 part. I don't know whether grub can handle it. |
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| 16:16.54 | janttsu | jelly-home: i think it should.. now i've installed grub on a "normal" partition and it boots raid0 just fine |
| 16:17.08 | janttsu | i'm just not sure if it works the same way using a cd |
| 16:17.10 | Justin | on raid0? what is the point of that? |
| 16:17.17 | Justin | / on raid0? what is the point of that? |
| 16:17.42 | displaced | i've got a strange question |
| 16:17.49 | janttsu | Justin: what do you mean ? |
| 16:17.51 | xingu | I've got a few strange answers |
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| 16:18.00 | Justin | janttsu: why would anyone put / on raid0? |
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| 16:18.16 | janttsu | Justin: it's Fast :D |
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| 16:18.21 | displaced | i've got a dual boot machine running windows xp and debian unstable, how do i read the ntfs drive from inside of debian |
| 16:18.21 | jelly-home | Justin: in the similar vien, why would anyone use raid0? |
| 16:18.32 | Justin | jelly-home: uh not, not similar at all |
| 16:18.41 | Wyzard | Justin: Maybe the entire system is on raid0 |
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| 16:18.54 | Wyzard | Justin: My entire system is on raid5, including / |
| 16:19.04 | cusco | displaced: you have to mount them |
| 16:19.08 | janttsu | jelly-home: what should i use then |
| 16:19.14 | displaced | that's what i thought, they won't mount |
| 16:19.26 | cusco | how come they won't? |
| 16:19.38 | Justin | put / on raid1, put the rest on whatever crazy raid level you want |
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| 16:19.46 | displaced | not sure |
| 16:19.53 | gustav3d | so how many discs are there in your raid5 array ?. |
| 16:19.56 | displaced | hang on, i'll give you the exact error |
| 16:19.59 | cusco | have you tried mounting them? |
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| 16:20.32 | displaced | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set |
| 16:20.38 | displaced | does that make sense? |
| 16:20.46 | jelly-home | janttsu: whatever suits you, it's just that raid0 is worse, stability wise, than using raw single disks |
| 16:20.56 | cusco | sorry I can't help you there, maybe someone else |
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| 16:21.42 | janttsu | jelly-home: sure, but raid0 is just so fast :) |
| 16:21.43 | displaced | then it tells me the device is not removable |
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| 16:23.33 | Onur | hi. I have 74G partition. I run df -h. It's say http://channels.debian.net/paste/5331 . Size: 74G Used: 69G Avail: 904M . Do you know where is my 4G ? . I asked 'cause i need more free space :( |
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| 16:23.44 | jelly-home | janttsu: well, if you need speed, then use it by all means. I'll stick with raid10. ;-) |
| 16:23.48 | displaced | my issue is that i do things in python in windows and in debian so i need access to the storage drives in both operating systems |
| 16:24.13 | Justin | Onur: man tune2fs |
| 16:24.23 | xingu | hahaha, wtf? |
| 16:24.25 | enouf | Onur: reserved for root |
| 16:24.28 | naitram | just did new install etch, no sound. Does etch use alsa? |
| 16:24.37 | displaced | alsaconf |
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| 16:24.48 | Wyzard | naitram: yes, etch uses ALSA |
| 16:25.24 | Candid | hi, is there any possibility to install a pdo sqlite3 driver for php5 on debian? |
| 16:25.32 | Onur | hmm ok i see. Thanks you Justin and enouf |
| 16:25.36 | naitram | ok, I guess it did not get installed |
| 16:25.48 | displaced | speaking of, unstable is not saving the alsa config. boot, no sound. run alsaconf it builds drivers, inserts the module then sound works, reboot and no sound |
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| 16:26.15 | displaced | and i've run alsactl store. didn't change a thing |
| 16:26.23 | displaced | same error |
| 16:26.26 | naitram | displaced: alsaconf not found, alsabase is latest. What else do i need |
| 16:26.46 | heh_v_water | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.48 | Justin | displaced: add whatever snd- module it loads to /etc/modules |
| 16:26.51 | Wyzard | naitram: You don't really need alsaconf if you know what kind of sound card you have... just load the appropriate driver module for your sound card |
| 16:26.54 | displaced | hang on a sec |
| 16:26.57 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 16:26.58 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is, like, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 16:29.31 | brann | hello ! i've noticed the quality of my mp3 playback is quite poor on my linux box (it's far better on windows or on my ipod) ... is this a common problem? is there something i can do? |
| 16:29.42 | Triona | I'm seeing some very wierd network behavior, and I wonder if I'm missing something obvious. Every time I try to do anything that makes a TCP connection, I get a connection reset by peer error, but if I retry the same connection again it works normally. I've looked at the traffic in a network analyzer, and my box isn't sending out any TCP packets until the second attempt. This is on debian etch. |
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| 16:30.09 | Wyzard | brann: Poor quality in what way? (Garbled? Lots of static? Does it happen with other sound files that aren't MP3?) |
| 16:30.16 | abrotman | and which player? |
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| 16:31.01 | Wyzard | brann: I've never heard anything like that happen, and I'm listening to an MP3 right now and it sounds fine, so I'd say it's not a common problem |
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| 16:31.28 | h3sp4wn | brann: are you using one of ice1712 or ice1724 ? |
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| 16:31.45 | Ki11Bi11 | is there a lamp package for debian? |
| 16:32.05 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: There are Apache, MySQL, and PHP packages |
| 16:32.16 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: and you already have Linux if you're running Debian :-) |
| 16:32.16 | abrotman | there is no "lamp" package though |
| 16:32.19 | naitram | Triona: have you tried a different peer? |
| 16:32.26 | jamesvieuxport | hi i need help to install java in a debian server. Someone can help ? |
| 16:32.36 | abrotman | !tell jamesvieuxport about install java |
| 16:32.37 | Triona | naitram: happens with any non-local peer. |
| 16:32.42 | brann | Wyzard, abrotman : i'm using amarok but it's the same with other mp3 players. the quality seem better on avi's so it seems to me as a mp3 specific problem |
| 16:32.52 | Wyzard | jamesvieuxport: Java is packaged in etch and sid, and on sarge you can use java-package to build debs from Sun's tarball |
| 16:33.03 | Triona | the first connection attempt fails with a connection reset message, the second one works. |
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| 16:33.15 | parsonsd | abrotman : always a good choice |
| 16:33.17 | yzrider088 | will debian 4.0 ever come out? seems like a freaking hoax, they are gonna be like 6 months past their projected release date by the time it comes out |
| 16:33.17 | Ki11Bi11 | Wyzard, it would be nice to have the package setup and configured, a setup script maybe? |
| 16:33.19 | Triona | and I can connect to anything I've recently connected to. |
| 16:33.19 | Wyzard | Triona: Do you have some weird iptables rules in place maybe? |
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| 16:33.27 | parsonsd | abrotman : gnome is too, i think. :) |
| 16:33.29 | abrotman | yzrider088: no . never |
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| 16:33.36 | yzrider088 | didnt think so |
| 16:33.37 | yzrider088 | :P |
| 16:33.38 | aFlag | abrotman: you blame kde for what? |
| 16:33.43 | abrotman | !blame kde |
| 16:33.54 | yzrider088 | people suck with release dates |
| 16:33.54 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: Install Apache and PHP and the packages take care of configuring Apache to recognize and use PHP |
| 16:34.00 | aFlag | hehe |
| 16:34.06 | Triona | Wyzard: iptables is empty, all policies are ACCEPT |
| 16:34.09 | jamesvieuxport | i tried with java-package but... |
| 16:34.11 | jamesvieuxport | james@jamesserver:~$ fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-6-linux-i586.bin |
| 16:34.11 | jamesvieuxport | Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.XXXXsu3f7X |
| 16:34.11 | jamesvieuxport | Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh sun-j2sdk.sh |
| 16:34.11 | jamesvieuxport | No matching plugin was found. |
| 16:34.11 | jamesvieuxport | Removing temporary directory: done |
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| 16:34.21 | abrotman | yzrider088: there wasn't a release date per se .. it was an idea of when they'd like to get it released .. but it wasn't a hard deadline |
| 16:34.21 | panthera | abrotman? |
| 16:34.26 | abrotman | panthera: it was the bot! |
| 16:34.26 | naitram | Triona: maybe a router or switch issue? Or some settings for tcp timeout? |
| 16:34.38 | panthera | ... |
| 16:34.44 | Triona | naitram: it's not getting off the local machine when I try to make the connection. |
| 16:34.48 | brann | h3sp4wn, how can i check that? |
| 16:35.04 | Triona | ethereal shows the DNS query and no TCP connection attempt |
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| 16:35.15 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: Install MySQL and IIRC it'll ask you for a few things like the database's master password |
| 16:35.19 | yzrider088 | abrotman: so is there any earthly idea whatsoever when its coming out |
| 16:35.20 | aFlag | I wish debian is able to release one new version each year some day |
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| 16:35.27 | Triona | if I try it again, everything happens normally. |
| 16:35.30 | abrotman | yzrider088: WIR, SIYH ... |
| 16:35.35 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: (and consider using PostgreSQL instead of MySQL :-)) |
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| 16:35.43 | yzrider088 | abrotman: they keep saying that :( |
| 16:35.44 | abrotman | yzrider088: bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ to know how many bugs are left |
| 16:35.48 | stoned | why do people not like mysql? |
| 16:35.53 | yzrider088 | because mysql sucks |
| 16:35.57 | abrotman | stoned: it's bad |
| 16:36.00 | yzrider088 | it cant handle that big of tables |
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| 16:36.06 | h3sp4wn | brann: /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:36.08 | enouf | yzrider088: get busy helping fixing / reporting bugs and in the meantime stfu |
| 16:36.16 | naitram | Triona: but if you are getting peer reset, then it is trying to set up the connection. What software are you using that is using tcp |
| 16:36.20 | stoned | abrotman: why? |
| 16:36.22 | yzrider088 | mysql is like a kiddy database |
| 16:36.22 | stoned | enouf: be nice |
| 16:36.27 | enouf | no |
| 16:36.29 | abrotman | stoned: it's certainly gotten better .. but i'd still choose many other F/OSS DBs over mysql |
| 16:36.30 | yzrider088 | its like a tonka toy compared to a komatsu dumb truck |
| 16:36.31 | stoned | pleae |
| 16:36.31 | Wyzard | aFlag: Keep in mind that Debian's release cycle is targeted at mission-critical servers, and I think one release per year is considered to be too fast |
| 16:36.32 | yzrider088 | dump* |
| 16:36.32 | Triona | naitram: web browser, ssh client, doesn't seem to matter. |
| 16:36.33 | stoned | pretty please |
| 16:36.38 | stoned | with sugar on top |
| 16:36.43 | Wyzard | aFlag: I believe 18 months is considered better |
| 16:36.44 | abrotman | !mysql gotchas |
| 16:36.44 | dpkg | i guess mysql gotchas is http://sql-info.de/mysql/gotchas.html |
| 16:36.46 | aFlag | I thought mysql was faster than postgre |
| 16:36.48 | enouf | stoned: not when it comes to trollish comments ;-) |
| 16:36.54 | abrotman | aFlag: was ... |
| 16:36.55 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:37.01 | stoned | enouf: be nice anyway |
| 16:37.02 | stoned | :) |
| 16:37.05 | abrotman | aFlag: they're comprable now on most activities |
| 16:37.11 | stoned | abrotman: reading |
| 16:37.11 | brann | h3sp4wn, ok, thanks. no, i'm not using ice*, i've got an Nforce card. |
| 16:37.13 | aFlag | oh, i see |
| 16:37.13 | christopherl | I got: (The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?)when trying to play DVD. |
| 16:37.18 | Triona | naitram: unless I've recently connected to a given host, it gives an immediate connection reset message, but according to ethereal, it's not even trying |
| 16:37.25 | enouf | :-p |
| 16:37.27 | stoned | christopherl: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 16:37.33 | stoned | christopherl: install libdvdcss2 |
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| 16:37.43 | yzrider088 | abrotman: that article is no longer valid |
| 16:37.44 | yzrider088 | this page deals with issues related to MySQL 4.1 and earlier, not 5.0 |
| 16:37.51 | Wyzard | aFlag: It might be slightly faster, at the expense of not being able to do a lot of things PostgreSQL can |
| 16:37.54 | yzrider088 | 5.0 is SOOOO much different in so many ways than 4.1 |
| 16:37.55 | abrotman | yzrider088: i know .. |
| 16:38.00 | yzrider088 | 99% of those points probably aren't valid |
| 16:38.00 | naitram | Triona: well if you get a peer reset, it is trying to establish a connection. right? |
| 16:38.03 | yzrider088 | but mysql still sucks haha |
| 16:38.19 | Wyzard | aFlag: like the fact that transactions aren't supported unless you explicitly tell it to use a transaction format for the tables |
| 16:38.30 | abrotman | Wyzard: which is still non-free ? |
| 16:38.32 | stoned | really |
| 16:38.32 | Triona | naitram: it claims it is, but ethereal says it's not even getting off the box |
| 16:38.36 | Wyzard | might be, I dunno |
| 16:39.10 | naitram | Triona: im not sure what you mean, the packets seen on ethereal show peer reset? |
| 16:39.25 | Wyzard | whereas PostgreSQL supports nested transactions |
| 16:39.31 | Triona | naitram: the packets seen on ethereal don't even show the attempt. |
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| 16:40.21 | naitram | Triona: ok, i see now. I thought you were getting packets that showed peer reset. Yeah, i dont know about that one. Did it all work correctly before etch? |
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| 16:40.55 | Triona | naitram: it started after the box was up a couple days |
| 16:41.22 | Wyzard | Triona: In that case, have you tried rebooting it to see whether the problem goes away? |
| 16:41.38 | enouf | a few missing verbs there |
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| 16:42.33 | xingu | Triona: paste(ask dpkg) netstat -rnv somewhere |
| 16:42.43 | Triona | Wyzard: not yet, I'd be happy to try that, but I'd like to know why this is doing what it's doing rather than mask the problem with a reboot. |
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| 16:42.52 | naitram | Triona: not an expert by any means on either debian or tcp, I know that some things were included in the kernel on upgrade such as video drivers. so.... what is the kernel you are using |
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| 16:43.00 | riot | hi. |
| 16:43.06 | Wyzard | Triona: It's not an attempt to blindly fix the problem, it's a way to gather more evidence about what the cause could be |
| 16:43.12 | xingu | Triona: sounds like you might have equal cost routes, one of which is via lo or some other interface. |
| 16:43.35 | Triona | only 2 lines, I'll just paste. |
| 16:43.38 | Triona | 172.16.15.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 16:43.38 | Triona | 0.0.0.0 172.16.15.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 16:43.58 | riot | i'm trying to uswsusp my workstation using a rsa-key and passphrase. suspend works without asking for the phrase, but then upon resume, it claims my entered passphrase were incorrect (i'm sure it is correctly typed in). What can i do? |
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| 16:44.19 | naitram | Triona: can you use two different ip addresses for the same adapter? |
| 16:44.21 | xingu | Triona: is 172.16.15.1 the box itself or is it another system? |
| 16:44.37 | abrotman | naitram: yes |
| 16:44.44 | Triona | 172.16.15.1 is the DSL router. 172.16.15.42 is the box. |
| 16:45.10 | Triona | naitram: I can, I'm not doing so at the moment. |
| 16:45.30 | abrotman | naitram: IP aliasing |
| 16:45.42 | naitram | Triona: ok, ill let others help. Not really your best source, just trying to help. |
| 16:45.44 | lanchow | how do i configure the sensible-browser, i tried set $BROWSER=iceweasel, it launch epiphany |
| 16:45.55 | abrotman | lanchow: update-alternatives |
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| 16:46.04 | lanchow | abrotman, thank you |
| 16:46.11 | abrotman | x-www-browser |
| 16:46.14 | abrotman | most likely anyways |
| 16:46.19 | abrotman | gnome has another system for default apps |
| 16:46.49 | xingu | Triona: how short of memory is the system? |
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| 16:47.28 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: what were those commands you showed me a few minutes ago for WiFi? |
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| 16:48.06 | xingu | Triona: also netstat -an | grep -E 'TIME|ESTABLISHED|LISTEN' | wc -l ... might be useful to know. |
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| 16:48.27 | Triona | xingu: 102MB of 1GB free, and barely touching 2.5GB of swap |
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| 16:49.06 | Triona | xingu: hmm.. 78 connections. |
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| 16:50.00 | xingu | Triona: seems a bit like a heisenbug I must say; you've covered the bases; if you have iproute2, also check the route cache - ip route show cache |
| 16:50.51 | xingu | Triona: variables are - enough memory to create socket (on that load/ config, there's plenty); what the routing cache and table says; and what iptables mangling is doing |
| 16:51.28 | xingu | Triona: if you've been messing with ipsec there's an additional layer of policy - the xfrm_* policies |
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| 16:51.45 | xingu | Triona: or whatever {open,free}swan's equivalent is |
| 16:52.09 | nick_fn | What can I put in my debian/control Depends: line, to say it depends on the other package which is also built from the same source? |
| 16:52.34 | nick_fn | I assume there is some magic Depends ${this-version:Depends} variable? |
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| 16:53.03 | enouf | why not try strace? use something "strace -oFilename /bin/app" to dump to a file, then rerun it a 2nd time and diff the files maybe |
| 16:53.23 | enouf | Triona: xingu ^^ |
| 16:53.32 | xingu | Triona: is your arp table screwed? does arp -an's idea of 172.16.15.1's macaddr agree with reality? |
| 16:53.58 | xingu | enouf: that'll just come back with an error -ECONNREFUSED in socket() |
| 16:54.13 | abrotman | nick_fn: #debian-mentors on OFTC |
| 16:54.21 | Daveman | Hi Abrotman :) |
| 16:54.23 | enouf | xingu: ok .. |
| 16:54.25 | nick_fn | abrotman: thanks |
| 16:54.46 | xingu | enouf: it's a client socket, failing to get created - it's pretty straightforward calling chain and not much can go wrong |
| 16:54.49 | Triona | arp table looks ok. |
| 16:55.04 | abrotman | Daveman: hey |
| 16:55.10 | xingu | Triona: you installed or configured freeswan/racoon recently? |
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| 16:56.04 | Daveman | :) |
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| 16:56.47 | enouf | xingu: just sounds from description, like it's trying to connect through a proxy (as 1st conn) or someshit |
| 16:58.22 | xingu | enouf: it'd have to be a socks proxy; it could be a rootkit or a memory error too |
| 16:58.45 | xingu | enouf: one of the failing apps is ssh |
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| 16:58.58 | xingu | enouf: and it's failing for all non-local connects |
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| 16:59.35 | enouf | xingu: hrm .. ssh has a denyhosts pkg .. dunno if related to issue, since I'm basically just a sockpuppet as far as netwoeking issues :-P |
| 16:59.58 | xingu | it could be misdiagnosis too, maybe it's the name lookup to one of two ns's that's getting refused |
| 17:00.07 | riot | Why does my uswsusp not match my passphrase on resume? i checked for typos et al. |
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| 17:02.42 | xingu | Triona: just out of interest, are all your name resolvers working? :) |
| 17:03.01 | Triona | as far as I can tell. |
| 17:03.21 | xingu | Triona: has the behaviour persisted across the reboot? |
| 17:03.29 | Triona | no. |
| 17:03.51 | Triona | maybe it really is a heisenbug :/ |
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| 17:04.19 | xingu | Triona: I'd have to conclude a hw fault or rootkit in that case |
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| 17:05.14 | xingu | Triona: either creating new sockets or creating new entries in the route cache was failing; there's not too many reasons that can happen |
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| 17:06.43 | Triona | k... checking now for anything suspicious. |
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| 17:08.14 | kie27 | greetings all, unfortunately at the company where i work we are required to use checkpoint securemote to connect to the vpn, i have been in touch with checkpoint who have said that they will not produce a linux client even if we pay (although a very old one for redhat 7.3 exists), does anyone have any suggestions (apart from using a different vpn product which is beyond my control) |
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| 17:08.59 | tralala | kie27, fire your employer |
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| 17:09.24 | Supaplex | design a FOSS replacement |
| 17:09.26 | MikeMendez | hey y'all |
| 17:09.36 | kie27 | i would do, but i would rather not resign so soon having recently joined |
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| 17:09.57 | abrotman | kie27: google "checkpoint debian client" .. i got a few hits |
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| 17:10.19 | amphi | GeorgeS069: sorry, I was afk; you use iwconfig to set the essid, and mode to 'managed' if necessary |
| 17:10.32 | black_ba55 | where can i find an instalation handbook ? |
| 17:10.45 | abrotman | at least .. i think i did |
| 17:10.46 | abrotman | !ig |
| 17:10.46 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 17:11.37 | kie27 | abrotman: have been googling for a few days and finding several other s with the same problem but no one with a solution :( |
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| 17:12.01 | Triona | kie27: then get them to provide you a machine to run their client, or don't use the VPN. |
| 17:12.22 | abrotman | or he can just go ... |
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| 17:12.59 | enouf | Triona: maybe try ip route flush ..or similar |
| 17:13.54 | tralala | kie27, I think the right solution to your kind of problem is _not_ a software one |
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| 17:14.35 | TheZanke | Q: I have 2 audio drivers on here and Debian Etch finds them both but only plays through the USB Headset driver not the SB Audigy 2, even though i went to "Volume Control" and switched it to the Soundblaster.... any ideas? |
| 17:14.38 | enouf | !shoot checkpoint and friends |
| 17:14.43 | Triona | neither rkhunter nor chkrootkit found anything suspect, and integrit isn't finding anything it doesn't like. |
| 17:14.59 | abrotman | kie27: the solution i see is to have a client on the LAN side connect to a server on your home side .. and then do tunneling |
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| 17:15.22 | anapivirtua_ | By all. |
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| 17:16.04 | Triona | abrotman: worth pointing out that solution requires authorization from the employer. |
| 17:16.19 | kie27 | correct, plus not letting the firewall guy found out, as this would get me fired! |
| 17:16.25 | tralala | TheZanke, you should tell your player to use the sound card of your choice |
| 17:16.28 | abrotman | Triona: not my problem! |
| 17:16.31 | kie27 | true |
| 17:16.48 | abrotman | kie27: you could get a checkpoint hardware device on your side |
| 17:16.53 | kie27 | but it is slightly more difficult since i am in a remote office in HK, all the lan and servers are in the US |
| 17:17.05 | kie27 | does such a thing exist> |
| 17:17.17 | abrotman | someone didn't think this through before accepting the job ... |
| 17:17.23 | h3sp4wn | TheZanke: echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (replace snd-hda-intel with whatever your headset is using) |
| 17:17.33 | Triona | if I may ask, what is your job responsibility anyway? |
| 17:17.40 | Triona | sysadmin? |
| 17:17.42 | Triona | programmer? |
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| 17:18.17 | enouf | h3sp4wn: that echo require quotes? |
| 17:18.19 | kie27 | support analyst which is trouble shooting a bunch of complicated scripts running on solaris, sybase, etc. |
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| 17:18.38 | xingu | I'm pretty sure that secureremote is stock ipsec+ike |
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| 17:19.27 | h3sp4wn | enouf: Don't think so |
| 17:19.55 | enouf | h3sp4wn: concerned about white spaces, prior to pipe |
| 17:20.00 | kie27 | well i would be willing to pay for a solution that would run on debian linux |
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| 17:20.20 | h3sp4wn | enouf: It produces the output I expect |
| 17:20.25 | GeM | I have some udev/device-naming trouble with my etch install.. I have two raidkontrollers, and when the system boots, the hard-disks connected to these don't always receive the same device name.. sometimes /dev/sda, somtimes /dev/sdc.. |
| 17:20.41 | enouf | h3sp4wn: sweet .. |
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| 17:20.53 | GeM | How do I write a udev rule that will assign the same name to the hard-drives each time? |
| 17:21.23 | dvs | GeM: uh, that's the whole reason for udev! |
| 17:21.37 | stoned | dvs |
| 17:21.41 | dvs | stoned |
| 17:21.45 | dvs | stoned: move! |
| 17:21.50 | stoned | hehe next week |
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| 17:22.01 | peterrus | SieRRa: go away |
| 17:22.14 | enouf | GeM: /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 17:22.17 | peterrus | hmm |
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| 17:22.30 | peterrus | SieRRa is a spambotzor irritatzor |
| 17:22.33 | peterrus | someone ban him |
| 17:22.43 | xingu | kie27: http://www.fw-1.de/aerasec/ng/vpn-racoon/CP-VPN1-NG-Linux-racoon.html |
| 17:22.48 | stoned | peterrus: you sure |
| 17:22.52 | abrotman | peterrus: spamming what ? |
| 17:22.56 | dvs | !ops ban SieRRa because he's a bot |
| 17:22.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: dvs complains about: ban SieRRa because he's a bot |
| 17:22.57 | enouf | !ops peterrus complains of SieRRa spamming PMing |
| 17:22.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: enouf complains about: peterrus complains of SieRRa spamming PMing |
| 17:22.58 | stoned | peterrus: !ops blah is spamming blah |
| 17:23.00 | abrotman | (no i don't want th e URL) |
| 17:23.10 | peterrus | wha |
| 17:23.21 | GeM | dvs, I know, but I cant really figure out how to write the rules, cause I have six disk, where two and two are equal.. so when I try to match one with a specific rule, it matches two of them |
| 17:23.24 | peterrus | well I log in and there is this url, always the same, but under a different name |
| 17:23.39 | abrotman | peterrus: targetted advertisements! |
| 17:23.43 | dvs | GeM: two identical drivers? |
| 17:23.49 | dvs | drives |
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| 17:23.52 | xingu | abrotman: with presence! |
| 17:24.00 | peterrus | abrotman: well, hehe, lets say it pr0n advertisement stuff |
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| 17:24.20 | GeM | yes.. times three :) |
| 17:24.22 | bwlang | okay ... this image spam is getting out of hand... I had about a hundred that made it past spamassassin today. What are you folks doing to filter it out? |
| 17:24.22 | enouf | GeM: grab it's UUID or any other variable, like serial # |
| 17:24.37 | peterrus | right |
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| 17:24.40 | enouf | GeM: lshal | grep -i uuid |
| 17:24.45 | abrotman | kie27: http://home.zhwin.ch/~sna/PA/PAK2_2002_Sna01_A.pdf |
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| 17:25.04 | drako | hrh |
| 17:25.10 | drako | <SieRRa> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 17:25.21 | abrotman | drako: ops already notified .. thanks |
| 17:25.32 | enouf | cool .. lessee |
| 17:25.41 | heh_v_water | bwlang, I got it quieted down pretty well by using SA from volatile-sloppy |
| 17:25.46 | drako | ok |
| 17:25.47 | amphi | drako: pr0n from South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands? should be good ;) |
| 17:25.53 | kie27 | abrotman: i get You don't have permission to access /~sna/PA/PAK2_2002_Sna01_A.pdf on this server. |
| 17:25.56 | zamuro | plays: "Nothing's playing" |
| 17:25.57 | abrotman | bah |
| 17:25.58 | zamuro | xD |
| 17:26.25 | abrotman | yay staff! |
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| 17:26.35 | dvs | !lart staff |
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| 17:26.43 | kie27 | xingu: i think that would be an option if the firewall guys were cooperative but.. :( |
| 17:26.46 | moprilo | i have a file that used to be root owned, now I did chown to me, and as a extra did chmod +777 on it, also chgrp to me. still i can-t delete it |
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| 17:27.15 | abrotman | ls -l <file> |
| 17:27.19 | enouf | moprilo: it starts/named with a - ? |
| 17:27.25 | bwlang | heh_v_water... hmm i'd rather not be at the bleeding edge. google says maybe fuzzyocr... did yo utry that? |
| 17:27.35 | enouf | oh yeah .. sticky bit maybe |
| 17:27.46 | stoned | sticky |
| 17:27.53 | enouf | pr0n |
| 17:27.57 | stoned | dude! |
| 17:28.00 | stoned | lol |
| 17:28.03 | enouf | d u d e |
| 17:28.04 | moprilo | -rwxrwxrwx 1 john john 8187 2006-09-12 09:10 index.jsp |
| 17:28.18 | etchjster | how many people in the world use linux? |
| 17:28.19 | enouf | nope, not bit |
| 17:28.26 | amphi | etchjster: 7 |
| 17:28.27 | heh_v_water | bwlang, nope I do know there's a few solutions but none as simpel ans apt-get upgrade :) |
| 17:28.34 | etchjster | thats it? |
| 17:28.38 | etchjster | wow |
| 17:28.42 | enouf | moprilo: it's in use? .. are you in the Dir in your shell? |
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| 17:29.11 | moprilo | yep |
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| 17:29.16 | moprilo | should that matteR? |
| 17:29.18 | enouf | get outta ther |
| 17:29.20 | etchjster | im just wondering if certain countries use linux like the us uses windows |
| 17:29.35 | enouf | moprilo: man lsof, and man ps |
| 17:29.38 | heh_v_water | bwlang, I can say the volatile-sloppy packages do block about 90% of them emails |
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| 17:30.31 | for2 | what do i have to put into my /etc/network/interfaces if i want to connect to a non-ssid-broadcasting network, cause i can only connect when the ssid is broadcasted up to now |
| 17:30.31 | enouf | etchjster: go visit wikipedia and googlw |
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| 17:30.31 | enouf | er google |
| 17:30.31 | zinx | etchjster: no. they either buy windows or pirate windows. |
| 17:30.31 | amphi | etchjster: I expect windows still has the majority everywhere; it's effectively free in most of the world |
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| 17:30.32 | bwlang | heh_v_water: 90% is not good enough... my current config blocks about that... but it still leaves a ton for me to get my blood pressure up about. |
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| 17:30.47 | etchjster | i thought some poor countries might use linux |
| 17:31.05 | heh_v_water | bwlang, my rules manage the other 10%.. I see MYBE 1 or 2 a week get by that I know I can write rules for |
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| 17:31.18 | amphi | etchjster: windows is free in such countries, which slows take-up |
| 17:31.22 | heh_v_water | bwlang, sometimes I go weeks without seeign any |
| 17:31.25 | GeM | enouf, where do I grab the serial number?.. i tried this to grab most info: udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda` |
| 17:31.28 | MikeMendez | i installed courier with courierwebadmin, how can i add an account through it? |
| 17:31.33 | GeM | I don't have lshal |
| 17:31.43 | enouf | GeM: you should if you have udev .. |
| 17:32.02 | enouf | GeM: but anyways .. install hwinfo, lshal, and dmidecode and use them |
| 17:32.02 | bwlang | heh_v_water: it's tough to write rules for the image spam ... it's just a bunch of nonsense words and a picture telling me to by some stock or other. |
| 17:32.23 | enouf | GeM: whoops .. install hwinfo, lshw, and dmidecode and use them |
| 17:32.30 | Triona | greylisting's your best bet for the image spam. |
| 17:32.31 | etchjster | that one laptop per child could be done easy with linux |
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| 17:32.41 | heh_v_water | bwlang, agreed.. the other thign about the volatile-sloppy version is it has sa-update included which I don't believe comes with stable version |
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| 17:33.04 | kie27 | brotman: trying to find the checkpoint hardware device that you mentioned, any details of the product name can not find it on the checkpoint website |
| 17:33.05 | GeM | ok.. enouf .. thanks |
| 17:33.10 | heh_v_water | bwlang, come to think of it i also set sa to get outside rules form the net somehow iirc |
| 17:33.29 | enouf | GeM: you could make up numbers .. you could use /dev/urandom to generate them, you could man e2label, etc etc |
| 17:34.08 | bwlang | heh_v_water: 3.1.7-1, sa-update does exist - though I don't really know what it does. |
| 17:34.15 | abrotman | kie27: i'm pretty sure they have one |
| 17:34.39 | bwlang | heh_v_water: i love man |
| 17:35.08 | etchjster | dont you mean men? |
| 17:35.14 | heh_v_water | lol |
| 17:35.16 | etchjster | my bad |
| 17:35.27 | enouf | GeM: make sure to visit the "most recent web version" of the rules writing doc, note the dates,changelog in the :"History" section |
| 17:35.59 | heh_v_water | bwlang, sa-update I believe goes to sa and gets updated rules |
| 17:36.26 | etchjster | kde man pages are sweet |
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| 17:36.34 | etchjster | gnome not so much |
| 17:36.41 | stoned | I have not tasted any manpages |
| 17:36.43 | stoned | I wouldn't know. |
| 17:36.49 | stoned | I'll take your word for it. |
| 17:37.11 | stoned | etchjster: write to gnome and tell them this. |
| 17:37.20 | bwlang | heh_v_water: yeah ... i'm just looking about in cron to see if it happens automagically |
| 17:37.25 | kie27 | thanks abrotman: i can see what they have the vpn-1_accelerator_card, wonder if this would do it... i guess i need to give them a call, don't know why they didn't suggest it before when i asked about a solution for linux. |
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| 17:37.46 | abrotman | kie27: possibly ask checkpoint |
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| 17:38.20 | bwlang | kie27: sorry to jump in... but i recently built a nice firewall box based on the via c3 chip... which has an on board aes accelerator |
| 17:38.26 | bwlang | kie27: works a treat |
| 17:39.03 | anapivirtua_ | Bon weak end all. |
| 17:39.04 | bwlang | kie27: it can saturate our fibre connection with no major cpu load |
| 17:39.34 | tralala | bwlang, that's nice but not related to his problem |
| 17:39.58 | bwlang | tralala: i don't have enought buffer... sorry if it's irrelevant |
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| 17:41.11 | kie27 | bwlang: thanks anywayway, i may need to build a box too, if the hardware solution is just an accelerator card but in the HK office i only have an ADSL line to saturate but i will probably just get a cheap PC. |
| 17:41.13 | TheZanke_ | i just downloaded an etch.deb installer.... do i install that with apt-get? |
| 17:41.25 | TheZanke_ | blahblah.etch.deb |
| 17:41.33 | abrotman | you downloaded what ? |
| 17:41.48 | TheZanke_ | "gaim-xfire_0.6.0-gaim1.5-etch1_i386.deb" |
| 17:42.07 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 17:42.08 | TheZanke_ | i am running etch |
| 17:42.11 | TheZanke_ | kk ty |
| 17:42.18 | bwlang | kie27: well if you do have to buy something, have a look a hacom - nice little 1u boxes easy to run LEAF on |
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| 17:45.32 | kie27 | bwlang: thanks |
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| 17:48.33 | rpc | how do you install zlib in Etch? |
| 17:48.37 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
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| 17:50.49 | tralala | rpc, apt-cache search zlib |
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| 17:54.49 | jason0_ | I'm running debian/nslu2 and wondering if it's possible to move /var/log /var/run to a usb flash disk? |
| 17:54.55 | magnus | !nvidia |
| 17:54.56 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 17:55.03 | magnus | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:55.03 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia one-liner was update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 17:55.23 | fulldisclosure | Hi, my mouse scroll is slow since I upgraded yesterday. |
| 17:55.28 | fulldisclosure | What can be the reason? |
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| 17:57.07 | magnus | !etch nvidia |
| 17:57.08 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php. |
| 17:57.20 | tralala | magnus, use /msg dpkg please |
| 17:57.22 | rpc | tralala very true, thanks :) |
| 17:57.38 | magnus | ok |
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| 17:59.16 | nivanson | Can I make dpkg configure my synaptics touchpad to disable tap click or will I have to manually edit my xorg.conf? |
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| 18:00.00 | tralala | !drxx |
| 18:00.01 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 18:00.07 | tralala | nivanson, you might try this ^^ |
| 18:00.07 | AbeLincoln | Hi. I am downloading Debian with jigdo. There are 15 .jigdo and template files; does that mean I have to download all 15 files and run jigdo-lite on each one of them? |
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| 18:00.21 | Harley^ | How can I view and hear flash files such as the mandelbrot set at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEw8xpb1aRA with iceweasel on Debian Etch AMD64 ? |
| 18:00.26 | Supaplex | AbeLincoln: heck no. just download and use netinst |
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| 18:00.30 | nivanson | tralala: Thanks I will check it out! |
| 18:00.41 | tralala | AbeLincoln, if you want to download it all I'd recommend the dvd images |
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| 18:01.39 | Ct3030 | Hello, I'm having trouble with the Debian Etch install. I'm doing the netinstall, and it freezes at 5% on the "select and install software" screen. Why is this? |
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| 18:02.43 | MsgToThePpl | how can i print withouth the cup? |
| 18:02.57 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 18:03.09 | hark | Ct3030: You must be trying with the RC1 netinst. use a daily image instead. |
| 18:03.29 | Ct3030 | hark: May I ask why is this important? |
| 18:03.35 | jenipapo | Iread somewhere a smart way to empty a file without deleting it but i don't remember :( |
| 18:03.47 | jenipapo | somebody knows? |
| 18:04.04 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:04.23 | Ct3030 | hark: thanks anyway, I'll give that a try. |
| 18:04.49 | jenipapo | MsgToThePpl: ho, yes! |
| 18:05.07 | jenipapo | Thank you |
| 18:05.33 | tralala | touch filename |
| 18:06.06 | tralala | echo >filename *will* delete the file's contents |
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| 18:06.36 | MsgToThePpl | tralala, jenipapo want to empty a file |
| 18:06.46 | MsgToThePpl | which means to reset its content |
| 18:06.47 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:07.19 | jenipapo | tralala: not working |
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| 18:07.58 | gotaku | Anyone else thing that iceweasel needs a new icon? |
| 18:08.01 | tralala | well I thought "without deleting it" meant without losing its content |
| 18:08.06 | stoned | gotaku: no. |
| 18:08.13 | stoned | its a cute little green thing |
| 18:08.15 | stoned | leave it alone |
| 18:08.17 | Harley^ | How can flash files be viewed in Debian Etch AMD64 iceweasel from sites like YouTube ? |
| 18:08.28 | gotaku | stoned: I can't even make it out on the panel. |
| 18:08.32 | tralala | Harley^, they can't |
| 18:08.34 | etchjster | i couldnt mget ice weasel the other day |
| 18:08.34 | jenipapo | MsgToThePpl: your solution puts one character intot filename |
| 18:08.34 | rpc | does anyone know what can be causing this? is this a gcc4.1 related problem? creating ./config.status.infig.status: error: cannot find input file: |
| 18:08.42 | stoned | gotaku: then change the icon yourself |
| 18:08.44 | Harley^ | tralala: Ouch ! |
| 18:08.44 | MsgToThePpl | btw tocu changes filetime :) |
| 18:08.50 | etchjster | ever use ice ape? |
| 18:08.51 | stoned | gotaku: you can give it a different icon on the panel |
| 18:09.00 | MsgToThePpl | what di d u give as filename ? |
| 18:09.03 | stoned | gotaku: I happen to love the iceweasel artwork |
| 18:09.04 | gotaku | stoned: I know tha. |
| 18:09.10 | Harley^ | nope |
| 18:09.18 | gotaku | stoned: Also, why is it green? |
| 18:09.25 | stoned | gotaku: who cares |
| 18:09.27 | jenipapo | MsgToThePpl: you said "echo >filename" |
| 18:09.41 | stoned | gotaku: I don't know why its green. |
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| 18:09.46 | jenipapo | MsgToThePpl: in this case, one character seems to be put into filename |
| 18:09.46 | MsgToThePpl | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.49 | Harley^ | tralala: Would I have to use a different browser such as Firefox then ? |
| 18:09.58 | stoned | gotaku: if it were blue I would not like it, I know this much |
| 18:10.04 | jenipapo | why one byte long ? |
| 18:10.12 | MsgToThePpl | cause a space |
| 18:10.17 | MsgToThePpl | beetween cxh and > |
| 18:10.20 | MsgToThePpl | echo and > |
| 18:10.21 | tralala | Harley^, you'd have to use a 32bit chroot and a 32bit browser with a 32bit flash plugin |
| 18:10.30 | MsgToThePpl | if u type it as echo>filename its 0 |
| 18:10.39 | MsgToThePpl | or better |
| 18:10.41 | Harley^ | hrmm |
| 18:10.45 | MsgToThePpl | echo -n >filename |
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| 18:11.00 | MsgToThePpl | where filename is the fiel toerase |
| 18:11.09 | jenipapo | MsgToThePpl: fine! |
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| 18:11.22 | Harley^ | tralala - where can I read to find out the steps to follow to set something like that up ? |
| 18:11.28 | jenipapo | MsgToThePpl: working, thank you |
| 18:11.30 | etchjster | ice-weasel |
| 18:11.45 | stoned | ice weasely |
| 18:11.54 | etchjster | mozilla-ice-weasel or what? |
| 18:12.04 | stoned | iceweasel |
| 18:12.15 | tralala | Harley^, http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 18:12.25 | Harley^ | Danke :) |
| 18:12.31 | tralala | bitte |
| 18:12.35 | etchjster | heh only way i dnt try |
| 18:14.36 | gotaku | stoned: Ok, I just made it blue and it looks much better ;) |
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| 18:15.47 | stoned | :) |
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| 18:23.19 | stoned | wow |
| 18:23.25 | stoned | !hi |
| 18:23.26 | dpkg | hello, stoned |
| 18:23.35 | stoned | well its dead i here |
| 18:23.36 | stoned | in* |
| 18:24.57 | nvz | I thought something smelled funny |
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| 18:26.13 | nvz | *poof* |
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| 18:28.42 | stoned | lol |
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| 18:28.56 | sid | How can I have 3 people all talk to each other over the Internet, and have all three streams be saved to separate files..so I can edit them later. ie a voip phone conversation |
| 18:29.19 | sid | Is there software in debian I can use to have 3 people talk to each other, and I can modify each individual audio stream later.(ie turn up the volume etc) |
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| 18:29.58 | tralala | sid, have you checked asterisk |
| 18:30.18 | Justin | asterisk or ser could probably be made to do that |
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| 18:30.44 | dutch | I just installed 3.1...no audio, that's not a problem...but can't change the screen resolutions...nothing in /etc/X11/XF86Conf-4 or /etc/X11/xorg.conf. |
| 18:31.02 | sid | Justin: ser? |
| 18:31.19 | sid | !tell dutch about drxx |
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| 18:32.00 | dutch | sid, thanks..I've had it working before, but not this time |
| 18:32.05 | roadfish | !tell roadfish about drxx |
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| 18:32.24 | sid | roadfish: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 18:32.29 | sid | !tell roadfish about msgdpkg |
| 18:32.36 | shining | lol |
| 18:32.41 | EvilDin | hi how can i made that this command would be run on each file in folder: iconv -f windows-1250 -t utf8 filename -o output-filename |
| 18:33.13 | shining | EvilDin: if iconv doesn't support it, use find |
| 18:33.14 | EvilDin | or is there any other way to convert file to utf-8 |
| 18:34.08 | shining | EvilDin: check iconv man page / help for options |
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| 18:34.38 | xingu | evilbulgarian: for f in *; do iconv -f windows-1250 -t utf8 $f -o output-$f; done |
| 18:34.46 | xingu | s/bulgarian/din/ |
| 18:34.56 | tralala | EvilDin, if you don't have funny characters in your filenames you can do: for ... |
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| 18:35.02 | tralala | well you can do what xingu said |
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| 18:35.31 | EvilDin | ok i will try |
| 18:35.58 | tralala | "$f" "output-$f" will be a bit safer |
| 18:36.06 | Zaggynl | From the Debian Etch FAQ:Q: How is security handled for testing and unstable? A: The short answer is: it's not. |
| 18:36.11 | EvilDin | it woks but i get all files perfix output |
| 18:36.14 | Zaggynl | Does this mean Debian Etch is unsecure? |
| 18:36.23 | sepski | !testing security |
| 18:36.23 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch. |
| 18:36.30 | EvilDin | is it possible to do without that, that files would just be overwrited |
| 18:36.33 | Zaggynl | <3 |
| 18:37.18 | tralala | EvilDin, only if iconv is able to overwrite files |
| 18:37.18 | EvilDin | it is |
| 18:37.18 | EvilDin | how can |
| 18:37.18 | EvilDin | i |
| 18:37.41 | xingu | evildin: for f in *; do iconv -f windows-1250 -t utf8 "$f" -o "output-$f" && mv -f "output-$f" "$f"; done |
| 18:38.21 | EvilDin | tnx |
| 18:38.44 | tralala | make sure you have backup copies of the files |
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| 18:39.59 | EvilDin | of course :) |
| 18:40.03 | EvilDin | it works perfect |
| 18:40.03 | EvilDin | :D |
| 18:40.08 | EvilDin | thank you very much |
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| 18:43.47 | akifdino | hello, how can i find out if my kernel has utf8 support? |
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| 18:45.07 | graytron | akifdino: you mean "grep CONFIG_NLS_UTF8 /boot/config-$(uname -r)"? |
| 18:45.40 | akifdino | i would like to have unicode, but it doesn't work |
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| 18:45.58 | akifdino | graytron it gives me as result, taht it is a module |
| 18:46.02 | graytron | akifdino: i don't think the problem you are having, has anything to do with the kernel |
| 18:46.15 | graytron | -, |
| 18:46.29 | akifdino | i've loaded nls_utf8 |
| 18:46.55 | graytron | akifdino: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unicode-HOWTO.html |
| 18:47.03 | akifdino | graytron thank you |
| 18:47.21 | xingu | kernel nls is only used for encoding paths on some filesystems from memory |
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| 18:47.41 | asdzxc | does debian Etch kernel has some patches in it ? or it's vanilla ? |
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| 18:47.46 | graytron | pretty outdated though |
| 18:47.53 | xingu | the kernel certainly ought to be encoding agnostic, that kind of policy belongs in user space |
| 18:48.45 | akifdino | graytron which packages would i at least need to run utf8? |
| 18:48.47 | tralala | asdzxc, you can find it out yourself by getting the .diff file from any mirror |
| 18:48.48 | xingu | asdzxc: what do you think linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 is all about? |
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| 18:49.29 | asdzxc | xingu thnx |
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| 18:49.53 | tralala | akifdino, what precisely are you trying to do? Write text in UTF-8? |
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| 18:50.09 | rahul | xingu: uh, how would data GET to userspace, then? |
| 18:50.10 | akifdino | tralala yes, all i want is beeing able to use turkish characters in the console |
| 18:50.25 | xingu | rahul: memcpy? |
| 18:50.29 | rahul | ... |
| 18:50.30 | tralala | akifdino, xterm or pure console? |
| 18:50.36 | rahul | and what would be copied? character "objects"? |
| 18:50.37 | akifdino | pure bash console, |
| 18:50.43 | graytron | akifdino: sorry, but i don't know enough about the subject, being a debian stable user ;) |
| 18:50.43 | xingu | rahul: bytes. |
| 18:50.59 | akifdino | graytron thank you anyway ;) |
| 18:51.01 | rahul | xingu: bytes have values. characters have names. |
| 18:51.12 | xingu | rahul: indeed; and character names do not belong in the kernel |
| 18:51.13 | akifdino | tralala i mean the bash shell |
| 18:51.15 | rahul | xingu: a mapping from characters to byte sequences is called an encoding. |
| 18:51.23 | rahul | xingu: then you need an encoding. |
| 18:51.28 | rahul | QED. |
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| 18:51.49 | rahul | HTH. HAND. |
| 18:51.52 | xingu | and the encoding and decoding of characters to byte strings is a task that belongs in user space |
| 18:52.00 | xingu | you have a point in there somewhere I take it? |
| 18:52.08 | abrotman | he's dull |
| 18:52.10 | xingu | or are you just on the stop again tonight? |
| 18:52.12 | rahul | heh |
| 18:52.26 | rahul | xingu: tonight? |
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| 18:53.17 | xand | rahul: use a telescope |
| 18:53.38 | rahul | xingu: you might _get_ data from the FS in utf-16le and the syscall is defined to return utf-16be |
| 18:53.41 | akifdino | tralala any ideas? |
| 18:54.14 | xingu | only in the wildest reaches of procfs or sysfs would that be an issue |
| 18:54.17 | rahul | xingu: should userspace code now need to look at FS mount parameters? |
| 18:54.29 | xingu | anyone crafting an ioctl that uses character strings should be taken out, beat up, and shot. |
| 18:54.59 | graytron | xingu: what a coincidence. i'm just working on one |
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| 18:55.55 | rahul | what does ioctl have to do with this? |
| 18:56.13 | xingu | I dunno, maybe you need to go away and come up with a concrete example we can laugh at together |
| 18:56.14 | rahul | the kernel does more than handle ioctls. |
| 18:56.31 | rahul | xingu: an FS that stores filenames in utf-16le |
| 18:56.59 | xingu | and if you read what I wrote above, I'm well aware that NLS is used for encoding paths |
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| 18:57.20 | xingu | did you have something else in mind? |
| 18:57.27 | rahul | so the utf-16le encoding must be done in userspace? |
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| 18:57.49 | rahul | 13:47 < xingu> the kernel certainly ought to be encoding agnostic, that kind of policy belongs in user space |
| 18:57.59 | xingu | for which? paths? it's filesystem dependant; if the fs doesn't mandate an encoding, you end up with the spaghetti that is NLS for vfat |
| 18:58.15 | xingu | [18:47] <xingu> kernel nls is only used for encoding paths on some filesystems from memory |
| 18:58.18 | rahul | if the FS does mandate an encoding, what should happen? |
| 18:58.20 | xingu | gosh you're ... slow. |
| 18:58.48 | kie27 | thanks for all your help, debian rocks, goodnight |
| 18:58.50 | rahul | userspace should have to figure out what FS the path ends up on and/or traverses through and encode those parts of the path with those encodings? |
| 18:59.01 | xingu | yup. |
| 18:59.09 | abrotman | are you two still going ?! |
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| 18:59.27 | rahul | xingu: and how would userspace know what FSes are where? |
| 18:59.29 | TheZanke_ | Q: I have 2 audio drivers on here and Debian Etch finds them both but only plays through the USB Headset driver not the SB Audigy 2, even though i went to "Volume Control" and switched it to the Soundblaster.... any ideas? |
| 18:59.51 | rahul | in order to manipulate any files, you'd have to read fstab? |
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| 19:00.27 | mike-e | can you mount ufs in debian? |
| 19:00.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:00.39 | mike-e | i just need to temporarily move some stuff on a ufs drive to ext3 |
| 19:01.19 | akifdino | i can not get some characters to be displayed in the bash shell although the locales are set for utf8. could it be that i do not have the right console fonts? |
| 19:01.28 | rahul | akifdino: possible |
| 19:01.42 | akifdino | rahul which fonts would i have to use for it? which package is it? |
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| 19:01.57 | rahul | I don't know. I don't have a unicode console font :P |
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| 19:05.31 | xingu | rahul: here's a tip, go look at fs/ext2/dir.c: ext2_match() |
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| 19:06.44 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 19:07.05 | Reiser_X | How can i register a channel? |
| 19:07.07 | rahul | xingu: it would be nice if there was some point to that exercise |
| 19:07.16 | rahul | Reiser_X: try #freenode. /m chanserv help |
| 19:08.05 | xingu | rahul: it would illustrate that you're waffling; the encoding is performed by userspace and ext2 at least uses it verbatim. |
| 19:08.16 | rahul | _I_ am waffling? |
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| 19:08.21 | rahul | I think that's retarded. |
| 19:08.30 | mike-e | rahul is a GNAA special operative |
| 19:08.55 | markit | I've debian sid, I can't upgrade the kernel anymore due to grub errors / script errors, AFAIU: http://www.pastebin.ca/349292 any clue? (I've a boot partition on it's own, that's why I have /boot/boot/grub structure) |
| 19:08.59 | rahul | userspace should have a defined interface, the FS should have a defined interface. if they happen to match, fine. |
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| 19:09.41 | xingu | and the interface in all bar a few retarded historical accidents is to use byte strings as encoded by userspace |
| 19:09.50 | Actium | http://dreamlinux.incubadora.fapesp.br/portal/arquivos/desktop.jpg |
| 19:09.59 | Actium | whats the program showing the maxosX like bar at the bottom |
| 19:10.05 | Actium | also whats the program showing stats in the backround |
| 19:10.34 | abrotman | both KDE apps i believe |
| 19:11.00 | rahul | xingu: which is retarded. an application should not need to parse fstab in order to open a file. |
| 19:12.04 | abrotman | god .. pastebin.ca is getting as bad as pastebin.com |
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| 19:13.22 | stoned | horribly slow |
| 19:13.30 | stoned | I like debian's paster |
| 19:13.38 | stoned | itsa very nice-a |
| 19:13.41 | abrotman | Actium: kxdocker is one |
| 19:13.57 | markit | abrotman: why bad? |
| 19:14.08 | abrotman | damn thing won't resolve |
| 19:14.32 | abrotman | !paster |
| 19:14.33 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 19:15.10 | KS-Fan | hi |
| 19:15.33 | Zaggynl | yeah, pastebin.ca used to be fast :( |
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| 19:19.14 | weedar | quick question: If you use etch, but add one line for experimental to download a specific package, will all later updates download all other packages also from experimental? |
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| 19:19.49 | simonrvn | don't do that |
| 19:20.29 | simonrvn | it's only meant to be used with sid, and by experienced people, and want to help debug stuff |
| 19:20.35 | weedar | okay, a friend was told to do so to get a fresh digikam |
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| 19:20.59 | weedar | but he could do so and then remove the line after getting the specific package? |
| 19:21.09 | jelly-home | !np |
| 19:21.09 | simonrvn | the source package |
| 19:21.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, np is "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins |
| 19:21.19 | simonrvn | i.e., deb-src |
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| 19:21.38 | simonrvn | then use the etch tools to build it |
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| 19:25.13 | stoned | simon! |
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| 19:26.09 | simonrvn | hi |
| 19:26.33 | stoned | hello there |
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| 19:30.17 | TheZanke_ | how do i set up apache2? i mean i got it working and stuff but only root has access to it |
| 19:30.29 | robin_sz | ir define "access" |
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| 19:30.45 | abrotman | TheZanke_: to /var/www/ you mean ? |
| 19:30.58 | TheZanke_ | abrotman, yes |
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| 19:31.03 | stoned | TheZanke_: simple |
| 19:31.08 | stoned | open httpd.conf |
| 19:31.26 | stoned | enable UserDir |
| 19:31.27 | stoned | then users will have ~/public_html |
| 19:31.35 | stoned | it will then be http://yourserver/~username/ |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | TheZanke_: that's normal .. you can change the default webdir to something that is writable by you .. change perms on /var/www/ or edit files as root |
| 19:31.57 | stoned | try not to let users access /var/www |
| 19:31.57 | gotaku | Can someone tell me why gnome-screensaver is even included by default? It's completely useless. |
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| 19:32.38 | TheZanke_ | stoned, httpd.conf is empty in /etc/apache2... i think its apache.conf now |
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| 19:32.46 | stoned | oh |
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| 19:32.50 | stoned | my info is old, my bad |
| 19:32.56 | hark | apache2.conf |
| 19:33.18 | abrotman | though there's a bug that apache2.conf includes httpd.conf which doesn't exist |
| 19:33.30 | TheZanke_ | yea i see that |
| 19:33.37 | TheZanke_ | # Include all the user configurations: |
| 19:33.37 | TheZanke_ | Include /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 19:33.50 | stoned | maybe I should update to apache2 |
| 19:33.51 | TheZanke_ | My bad for double line post |
| 19:34.07 | Zaggynl | !desktop |
| 19:34.08 | dpkg | well, desktop is see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 19:34.11 | TheZanke_ | should i just use apache instead of apache2? |
| 19:34.16 | hark | it does exist but it's empty |
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| 19:34.26 | abrotman | TheZanke_: depends .. probably ought to with apache2 unless you have a good reason |
| 19:34.41 | stoned | I installed my server a long time ago hehe |
| 19:34.46 | Zaggynl | Is gnome the default for debian? |
| 19:34.51 | abrotman | there is no default |
| 19:34.53 | stoned | Zaggynl: nope |
| 19:34.53 | TheZanke_ | abrotman, well there is now userdir line in apache2.conf |
| 19:34.56 | hark | no, not really |
| 19:34.59 | abrotman | TheZanke_: ok |
| 19:35.05 | shining | isn't it a bit? |
| 19:35.10 | Zaggynl | Hmm, I don't understand the desktop package during the install |
| 19:35.14 | Zaggynl | what does it install? |
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| 19:35.29 | shining | I remember I chose a desktop install once, and it installed gnome |
| 19:35.33 | abrotman | in tasksel .. yeah .. it'll install kde |
| 19:35.35 | abrotman | erm .. gnome |
| 19:35.37 | stoned | me too |
| 19:35.47 | stoned | i use none of those options |
| 19:35.49 | abrotman | there is a separate ISO CD1 for etch that has KDE and another for xfce |
| 19:35.53 | stoned | I just install packages as I need them |
| 19:35.57 | abrotman | raally .. shouldn't use tasksel at all though |
| 19:36.03 | Thms | can I use the 2.6.20 with debian etch ? |
| 19:36.05 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 19:36.11 | abrotman | Thms: if you compile it yourself |
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| 19:36.13 | Zaggynl | I have this old toshiba tecra 8100, I tried ubuntu, found it to be really slow, now I 'm planning to use Debian Etch with fluxbox |
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| 19:36.19 | Thms | abrotman: is it difficult ? |
| 19:36.22 | shining | yes indeed, you don't need to select the desktop in taskel, in order to have a fully working desktop |
| 19:36.29 | stoned | Thms: yes but etch comes with .`8-3 |
| 19:36.30 | abrotman | Thms: if you don't have a good reason .. you probably shouldn't bother |
| 19:36.33 | stoned | 18* |
| 19:36.45 | simonrvn | oh 2.6.20 is out now? *sigh* |
| 19:36.49 | abrotman | !kernel |
| 19:36.50 | simonrvn | @kernel |
| 19:36.52 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20, snapshot: 2.6.20-git5, 2.4: 2.4.34.1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc6-mm3 |
| 19:36.54 | stoned | there are some bugs in .20 rc6 |
| 19:36.55 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 19:36.57 | stoned | otherwise i'd use it |
| 19:37.05 | Thms | abrotman: I read 2.6.20 have been modified for the support of my c2d |
| 19:37.06 | ravenbird | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20, snapshot: 2.6.20-git5, 2.4: 2.4.34.1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc6-mm3 |
| 19:37.32 | abrotman | Thms: ok |
| 19:37.40 | simonrvn | c2d? |
| 19:37.44 | stoned | Thms: core 2 duo |
| 19:37.48 | stoned | er.. simonrvn |
| 19:37.54 | simonrvn | ty |
| 19:37.56 | sonick | hi, i'm encountering problems on installing a new debian (net install). The first step is ok, but when i'v to reboot, the boot of my debian stops at 'EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode'. Do you see the problem ? |
| 19:37.57 | Thms | yes stoned core 2 duo |
| 19:38.12 | Thms | abrotman: do you know a tutorial ? |
| 19:38.31 | shining | Thms: google for debian custom kernel , or something like that |
| 19:38.37 | abrotman | !tell Thms about kp |
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| 19:38.58 | phichipsi | hi, is there any tool with graphical interface that i could use to resize a few images to a special size at one time? i know there is gimp and co but i would like to just select the pics and then set a size t owhich they are resized |
| 19:38.59 | etchjster | tell me about kp too |
| 19:39.15 | sonick | phichipsi, imagemagick |
| 19:39.23 | Thms | abrotman: or will 2.6.20 be in debian soon ? |
| 19:39.28 | abrotman | not in etch |
| 19:39.42 | Thms | why ? |
| 19:39.47 | phichipsi | sonick, but there is no graphical frontend, is there? |
| 19:39.49 | rpc | does anyone know why would htop show 40-50% of cpu (constant) while top shows 0.0% (which is the true one as there is nothing going on) ? |
| 19:40.04 | sepski | Thms, becouse etch is frozen |
| 19:40.11 | Thms | arg okay |
| 19:40.12 | sonick | phichipsi, you are right, sorry |
| 19:40.13 | Thms | and in sid ? |
| 19:40.23 | h3sp4wn | Thms: possibly never in debian (if 2.6.21 is released before etch) |
| 19:40.33 | Thms | hmm okay |
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| 19:40.49 | stoned | hey simonrvn check it brother |
| 19:41.04 | simonrvn | check what? |
| 19:41.10 | robin_sz | it |
| 19:41.11 | robin_sz | IT |
| 19:41.30 | stoned | simonrvn: I bought Core 2 Duo E6300 for $190. Default is 266x7 for 1.866 Ghz. Mine is running at 3500Mhz, 500x7 :D |
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| 19:41.42 | stoned | Rock solid stable, can't top 45C under full load |
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| 19:41.50 | stoned | la de da dum dumadum dum |
| 19:42.10 | shining | stoned: I do the opposite, I underclock my proc |
| 19:42.14 | stoned | haha |
| 19:42.16 | simonrvn | nice |
| 19:42.20 | Thms | stoned: what is yout motherBoard ? |
| 19:42.26 | shining | so that it consumes less |
| 19:42.29 | stoned | GA 965P S3 (gigabyte) |
| 19:42.40 | robin_sz | shining, why? |
| 19:42.44 | stoned | I use Corsair XMS2 series ddr-800mhz chips |
| 19:42.58 | jelly-home | stoned: nice, what app are you using that requires that much cpu? |
| 19:43.00 | shining | robin_sz: just told why :) |
| 19:43.08 | stoned | jelly-home: Oblivion! |
| 19:43.27 | stoned | I have configured the whole of the Gamebryo engine to use multithreading |
| 19:43.32 | robin_sz | shining, errr, no, why do you want it to consume less? laptop on batteries? |
| 19:43.44 | shining | robin_sz: yep |
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| 19:44.04 | robin_sz | shining, thats what speedstep is for :) |
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| 19:44.16 | etchjster | why do you underclock your cpu? |
| 19:44.30 | shining | robin_sz: I know ;) |
| 19:44.46 | Zaggynl | graphical installation on Etch seems borked :( |
| 19:44.53 | robin_sz | etchjster, I do lots of very important calculations, I need them to be right, if I run it slower there is less chance of errors |
| 19:44.57 | squisher | Can anyone tell me why ide-generic gets loaded instead of the piix module (I think it's that one)... 2.6.12 loaded the right one, but 2.6.18 doesn't |
| 19:45.09 | stoned | jelly-home: from grub to kde desktop full load (kdm autologin) 10sec or less :D |
| 19:45.34 | etchjster | do you lower fsb or multiplyer |
| 19:45.54 | etchjster | just wondering? |
| 19:45.58 | stoned | multiplier is locked unless EIST is used and with my cpu you can adjust to either 6x or 7x(default) |
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| 19:47.01 | stoned | i think the c2d extreme or something has unlocked multiplier, but ideally you want more FSB potential |
| 19:47.06 | shining | robin_sz: I wanted to ask you about it :) |
| 19:47.07 | stoned | join #hardware for more indepth discussion |
| 19:47.08 | squisher | dmesg tells me that ide-generic takes over the IDE bus before ICH (piix) |
| 19:47.38 | shining | robin_sz: I was trying to think about what could cause that, but I don't know anything :p |
| 19:48.01 | stoned | Zaggynl: it is buggy. Hangs on random steps. |
| 19:48.02 | robin_sz | shining, clock edges, dodgy timing ... |
| 19:48.03 | etchjster | i didnt believe it i just thought you were goofy |
| 19:48.18 | stoned | Zaggynl: file a bug. Use textmode installer. |
| 19:48.19 | robin_sz | etchjster, yeah yeah ... |
| 19:48.25 | Zaggynl | stoned, okay, thanks :) |
| 19:48.51 | Zaggynl | What does 'Desktop environment' install? (text based install) |
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| 19:49.09 | rutski | I have 2 free port on my router |
| 19:49.11 | rutski | and 2 comps |
| 19:49.17 | shining | Zaggynl: probably the same |
| 19:49.18 | rutski | 1 comp is windows |
| 19:49.20 | rutski | 1 is debian |
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| 19:49.24 | shafire | hi |
| 19:49.30 | Zaggynl | shining, the same? |
| 19:49.31 | rutski | i'd like to hook the debian comp into the router |
| 19:49.33 | shafire | how can i install python-imaging in python2.5? |
| 19:49.38 | rutski | and then hook the windows comp into the debian comp |
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| 19:49.41 | shining | Zaggynl: yes, I think it's still tasksel, so gnome |
| 19:49.43 | rutski | and have the debian comp act as a bridge |
| 19:49.44 | robin_sz | Zaggynl, xserver, gnome, variety of graphical things like firefox/iceweasel etc |
| 19:49.46 | rutski | how can I set that up? |
| 19:50.00 | Zaggynl | shining, robin_sz ah thanks |
| 19:50.22 | robin_sz | oh and bugs |
| 19:50.25 | etchjster | what is the best stress testing program |
| 19:50.27 | Zaggynl | stress |
| 19:50.35 | etchjster | like super pi |
| 19:50.44 | stoned | etchjster: I use Orthos under windows |
| 19:50.48 | shafire | how can i install python-imaging in python2.5? |
| 19:50.51 | Zaggynl | stress can test with cpu, hdd and memory stressing |
| 19:51.02 | etchjster | thanks |
| 19:51.04 | stoned | etchjster: superpi mod + memtest86 should take care of them both off the top of my head |
| 19:51.07 | Zaggynl | D: that sentence sucked |
| 19:51.23 | Zaggynl | hmm |
| 19:51.24 | etchjster | memtest rocks |
| 19:51.27 | Zaggynl | text install hangs on me again |
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| 19:51.35 | stoned | if you can pass full memtest on your overclock you're stable |
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| 19:51.50 | xingu | rutski: bridge-utils |
| 19:51.53 | xand | stoned: great place to be suggesting Windows programs :P |
| 19:51.54 | Zaggynl | when I look at debug tty, There is a question after a load of packages, 'press Yes to continue or no to quit' |
| 19:51.56 | rutski | xingu: I know |
| 19:51.59 | rutski | xingu: I read the man page |
| 19:52.02 | rutski | xingu: tried some stuff out |
| 19:52.05 | rutski | xingu: but I can't get it to worki |
| 19:52.08 | stoned | xand: hehe, go away :) |
| 19:52.44 | hark | Zaggynl: i think that's a bug with the RC1 installer. Try a daily image instead.. |
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| 19:52.53 | Zaggynl | argl |
| 19:52.59 | xingu | rutski: pretty straight forward; use brcontrol to bridge two interfaces; bind your IP configuration to the br0 bridging instance; make sure forwarding is turned on and that your iptables policies are sane for the application |
| 19:53.00 | Zaggynl | ima go get stable <: |
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| 19:53.08 | xingu | rutski: does what it says on the tin. |
| 19:53.15 | stoned | tin |
| 19:53.17 | stoned | lol |
| 19:53.41 | rutski | xingu: I know squat about linux network administration :-/ so for me that's no so simple |
| 19:53.53 | rutski | xingu: mind if I go through what I'm doing step by step? and you'll very ify? |
| 19:54.22 | rutski | **veryify |
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| 19:54.27 | xingu | rutski: sure, I'm guessing you're going to need to do a bit of paste'ing. |
| 19:54.29 | sepski | rutski, why don tyou just read the docs /usr/share/doc/bridge-utills/ |
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| 19:54.36 | xand | rutski: "verify" |
| 19:54.52 | xingu | rutski: might be a bit OT for #debian; feel free to /msg. |
| 19:54.53 | rutski | my bad, yea |
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| 20:02.08 | stoned | dead. |
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| 20:03.46 | dvs | Is etch released yet? |
| 20:05.56 | stoned | it would be on debian.org if it were |
| 20:06.02 | stoned | I would think, at least. |
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| 20:08.06 | AKX | How can I flag packages as "not to be updated"? |
| 20:08.12 | dvs | hold! |
| 20:08.14 | Eulex | !hold |
| 20:08.14 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections' or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" because they require packages that are not currently (or tri |
| 20:08.24 | AKX | Thank youuu. |
| 20:08.31 | dvs | you're welllcome |
| 20:08.34 | stoned | dvs said it backwards |
| 20:08.36 | stoned | haha |
| 20:08.36 | stoned | :D |
| 20:08.42 | dvs | not did! |
| 20:08.43 | stoned | ! |
| 20:08.50 | Eulex | !! |
| 20:08.50 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 20:09.18 | stoned | question the is that, be to not or be to |
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| 20:10.14 | stoned | that I learned from Saved By The Bell |
| 20:10.27 | stoned | screch was going off about talkin backwards in an episode |
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| 20:11.09 | jelly-home | ¡Muerte! |
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| 20:13.08 | jelly-home | pp¡ |
| 20:13.08 | stoned | Santa! |
| 20:13.08 | jelly-home | !dd |
| 20:13.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 20:13.09 | stoned | factoid should be updated |
| 20:13.09 | stoned | it is also a bra size |
| 20:13.09 | stoned | :) |
| 20:13.09 | dvs | heh |
| 20:13.09 | stoned | well cupsize anyway |
| 20:13.22 | jelly-home | Ah, like the famouse Borg thirty-six of DD |
| 20:13.30 | stoned | who? |
| 20:13.44 | dvs | chick you gonna marry |
| 20:13.54 | stoned | she aint got d |
| 20:14.01 | stoned | d is a bit much |
| 20:14.02 | dvs | b? |
| 20:14.02 | jelly-home | dvs: he's marrying Jeri Ryan? |
| 20:14.13 | stoned | b is a bit small |
| 20:14.24 | stoned | im gonna shush now. |
| 20:14.33 | stoned | saved by the bell was cool |
| 20:14.39 | stoned | anyone used to watch it? |
| 20:14.44 | stoned | I did, like a religion. |
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| 20:14.49 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 20:15.06 | karmatronic | dont remember the names of the characters |
| 20:15.11 | karmatronic | zack morris |
| 20:15.12 | stoned | I do, I do! |
| 20:15.15 | karmatronic | screetch |
| 20:15.23 | karmatronic | kelly kaprovsky |
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| 20:15.34 | karmatronic | btu i dont remember the others |
| 20:15.42 | karmatronic | the portorican dude ? |
| 20:15.46 | stoned | ac slater |
| 20:15.51 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 20:15.54 | stoned | he was in a pretty good sci fi movie too |
| 20:15.58 | stoned | called Absolution |
| 20:16.03 | stoned | action/scifi |
| 20:16.06 | karmatronic | and elizabeth shue |
| 20:16.12 | stoned | showgirls |
| 20:16.15 | karmatronic | or something like that |
| 20:16.18 | stoned | she was a flop |
| 20:16.23 | stoned | she can't act |
| 20:16.25 | karmatronic | yeah , but whats was her name ? |
| 20:16.34 | stoned | jessi spano |
| 20:16.39 | karmatronic | you re good |
| 20:16.42 | stoned | that I am |
| 20:16.44 | stoned | :) |
| 20:17.12 | karmatronic | and the director of the school ? |
| 20:17.13 | RvGaTe | just wondering, im currenty using etch... wich hopefully will be stable in a short period of time... whenever it gets stable, a new testing will arive... would it be possible to switch from the stable (etch) to the next testing without breaking the system or reinstall...? |
| 20:17.17 | karmatronic | skinner ? |
| 20:17.26 | RvGaTe | hi stoned ! |
| 20:17.32 | stoned | hey bro |
| 20:17.33 | stoned | whats up |
| 20:17.46 | karmatronic | RvGaTe, yeah easy |
| 20:17.47 | RvGaTe | just chillin |
| 20:17.53 | stoned | RvGaTe: yes |
| 20:17.55 | karmatronic | !dist-upgrade |
| 20:17.55 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 20:18.02 | stoned | use testing instead of etch in yoru sources |
| 20:18.13 | stoned | you will stay with testing no matter what is stable or not |
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| 20:18.21 | RvGaTe | stoned, ah, good |
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| 20:18.48 | stoned | karmatronic: Mr. B |
| 20:19.11 | karmatronic | stoned, http://home.mn.rr.com/couplandesque/quizzes/sbtb.htm |
| 20:19.18 | stoned | heh |
| 20:21.26 | karmatronic | stoned, oh men i m ...screech |
| 20:21.47 | stoned | haha |
| 20:21.51 | stoned | it said im zack morris |
| 20:22.08 | karmatronic | stoned, yeah of course |
| 20:22.16 | stoned | why of course? |
| 20:22.28 | karmatronic | stoned, no no im just jealous :) |
| 20:22.30 | stoned | screech was my favorite btw |
| 20:22.43 | karmatronic | stoned, he was cool |
| 20:23.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is the norwegian mirror down? |
| 20:23.05 | karmatronic | stoned, my favourite was tiffany amber thiessen |
| 20:23.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's timing out |
| 20:23.13 | stoned | hmm |
| 20:23.25 | stoned | karmatronic: ot |
| 20:23.35 | stoned | Dark_Apostrophe: try another mirror |
| 20:23.44 | stoned | maybe one in sweden perhaps? |
| 20:23.49 | stoned | or denmark? |
| 20:23.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | I did, the US one |
| 20:23.57 | stoned | demographically they shouldl be pretty close |
| 20:24.29 | stoned | brb |
| 20:24.31 | karmatronic | demographically ? |
| 20:24.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | But I was wondering if it's down or maybe an error on my part or something |
| 20:24.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | *geographically |
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| 20:25.28 | amphi | pipographically? |
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| 20:25.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | caligraphically? |
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| 20:26.38 | karmatronic | oceanographically? |
| 20:27.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | nonsensographically? |
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| 20:29.30 | TTT_Travis | I just filled up my 320GB drive so I added a 120GB drive I had laying around, is there a way I can make my /data look like one drive without doing a raid? |
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| 20:30.36 | multi_io | TTT_Travis: mounting the 120GB drive somewhere below /data? |
| 20:30.45 | stoned | demographics |
| 20:30.52 | stoned | did I use the wrong word |
| 20:30.58 | stoned | I don't think so, in the context it applies |
| 20:31.08 | stoned | geographically is also correct |
| 20:32.03 | multi_io | TTT_Travis: otherwise, LVM can combine multiple physical devices into one block device, which you can then install a filesystem on |
| 20:32.06 | stoned | nm |
| 20:32.10 | stoned | my vocab sucks balls |
| 20:32.13 | tralala | TTT_Travis, lvm |
| 20:32.14 | stoned | big hairy sweaty balls |
| 20:32.26 | Zaggynl | is security.debian.org repo having troubles? |
| 20:32.28 | multi_io | but you'd need to reformat the 320 GB drive first |
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| 20:32.48 | stoned | don't make fun, english isn't my first language |
| 20:33.11 | sussudio | %confuse stoned |
| 20:33.12 | badgers | Yes, what is our pants yesterday, stoned? pants of the democracy of micronesia with extra cream |
| 20:33.24 | stoned | heh |
| 20:33.28 | TTT_Travis | multi_io and tralala whats the best way to procede? currently 2 drives, 1st is 320GB has 10GB ext3 partition for OS and the rest of the space is EXT3 into /data I want to add a new 120GB drive but have it just as an additon to add more space to /data |
| 20:33.31 | TTT_Travis | you mentioned LVM |
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| 20:33.44 | TTT_Travis | is there a way to do that without reformatting? |
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| 20:34.11 | multi_io | I don't think so |
| 20:34.41 | TTT_Travis | I would do it I just don't have a way to backup all of the data I have |
| 20:34.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if GNU Java can be used as an Iceweasel plugin |
| 20:34.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | ? |
| 20:35.14 | multi_io | TTT_Travis: |
| 20:35.35 | tralala | TTT_Travis, you can create lvm on the 120 disk first and then transfer the data and extend the lvm over the 320 disk but it will be a pain |
| 20:36.04 | TTT_Travis | yeah |
| 20:36.27 | tralala | or you can simply mount it somewhere under /data |
| 20:36.39 | multi_io | yeah, you could then gradually make the 320G volume smaller using resize2fs as you're copying data over to the 120 GB volume, |
| 20:36.56 | multi_io | then add the resulting free space to the LVM volume |
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| 20:37.11 | TTT_Travis | this is my home file sever /data has folders like Videos Music etc I would have to have like Videos2 Music2 for the new drive and that sounds like a pain |
| 20:37.11 | multi_io | so in the end you'd have a 440 GB LVM volume |
| 20:37.30 | tralala | yeah, that's what I had in mind but it will bring you into a world of pain |
| 20:37.57 | TTT_Travis | I think I see what you're say |
| 20:38.39 | tralala | once you're done however you can easily add and remove disks at will |
| 20:38.50 | TTT_Travis | create LVM on 120, move 100 or so of data from 320, create 100gb lvm on 320 using the freespace move some over to that etc. |
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| 20:39.06 | multi_io | TTT_Travis: so you could just create a 120 GB volume and mount that as Videos or Music |
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| 20:39.30 | TTT_Travis | that might work |
| 20:39.37 | TTT_Travis | let me check how big those folders are currently |
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| 20:39.51 | TTT_Travis | Videos is currently 198 |
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| 20:42.02 | nitro4ce | what is xegl? what is the difference betwen xegl and xgl? |
| 20:42.19 | multi_io | well, the multiple-mounts solution is more hackish/temporary |
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| 20:42.31 | TTT_Travis | yeah |
| 20:42.54 | TTT_Travis | maybe I can fit all of the other stuff on the 120 and leave the 320 dedicated to videos |
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| 20:43.08 | TTT_Travis | think that might work out perfect |
| 20:43.32 | TTT_Travis | despite being hackish |
| 20:43.39 | nitro4ce | what is xegl? |
| 20:43.54 | jelly-home | !xegl |
| 20:44.06 | tralala | dpkg, what is xegl? |
| 20:44.08 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, tralala |
| 20:44.12 | jelly-home | !test |
| 20:44.13 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 20:44.15 | Zaggynl | How do I install Eclipse in Debian Sarge? |
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| 20:44.44 | karmatronic | Zaggynl, dont install it ,java sucks |
| 20:44.46 | Zaggynl | D: |
| 20:44.48 | karmatronic | :) |
| 20:44.48 | markedwards | hi, can anyone tell me which package installs/updates /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
| 20:44.50 | nitro4ce | what is the difference betwen xegl and xgl? |
| 20:44.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if GNU Java can be used as an Iceweasel plugin? |
| 20:45.02 | Zaggynl | Okay, I know java sucks, but I have to learn programming it at school :p |
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| 20:45.15 | tralala | nitro4ce, examine the output of 'diff xegl xgl' |
| 20:45.17 | Zaggynl | So, what do I have to add to sources.list |
| 20:45.35 | karmatronic | Zaggynl, i dont think eclipse is in debian |
| 20:45.40 | Zaggynl | ?! |
| 20:45.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Zaggynl: apt-get install gij-4.1 |
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| 20:45.47 | karmatronic | Zaggynl, so you ll have to go to their website |
| 20:45.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Zaggynl: Oh, eclipse |
| 20:45.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | nvm |
| 20:46.00 | Zaggynl | yeah |
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| 20:46.08 | TTT_Travis | yep that's what I'll do just make /data/Videos linked to /data2 which will be the 320gb drive the OS and everything but videos will be on the 120GB |
| 20:46.16 | Zaggynl | <insert something about 'but I was able to install in unoobtu' |
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| 20:46.42 | tralala | Zaggynl, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:46.46 | tralala | if it's there |
| 20:46.47 | Zaggynl | <3 |
| 20:47.16 | TTT_Travis | bye and thanks for the help |
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| 20:47.20 | jelly-home | !info eclipse etch |
| 20:47.22 | dpkg | eclipse: (Extensible Tool Platform and Java IDE), section devel, is optional. Version: 3.2.1-4 (etch), Packaged size: 122 kB, Installed size: 412 kB |
| 20:47.32 | jelly-home | Zaggynl: debian stable is rather old. eclipse will be packaged in the next release |
| 20:47.51 | fisxoj | can anyone help me use sphinx2? |
| 20:48.05 | Zaggynl | jelly-home, ah okay |
| 20:48.05 | nitro4ce | tralala ? |
| 20:48.05 | nitro4ce | !diff xegl xgl |
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| 20:49.24 | skript | question: why does top say that there are only 4mb out of 384mb mem left, but the services running use <1% of mem (the system is console-only server, with apache2) |
| 20:49.31 | jelly-home | Zaggynl: if you feel brave enough you can try upgrading to etch and then install it. Don't expect it to run smoothly though |
| 20:49.47 | skript | is there any other way then 'top' to find out where the allocated memory actually goes ? |
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| 20:50.07 | Zaggynl | le arf |
| 20:50.12 | tralala | skript, because of the disk caching that linux does, you shouldn't worry - memory is freed as needed |
| 20:50.29 | jelly-home | skript: "free" memory means wasted memory, you don't want it to be free |
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| 20:51.48 | tralala | !free |
| 20:51.48 | dpkg | free is, like, defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 20:51.49 | nitro4ce | Zaggynl kdevelop? |
| 20:51.49 | nitro4ce | Zaggynl code::blocks |
| 20:52.03 | jelly-home | skript: the amount used for "... buffers" and "... cache" is essentially free to use by apps if need arise, as mentioned above |
| 20:52.04 | Zaggynl | nitro4ce, ...what? |
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| 20:53.05 | skript | jelly:aaaaahh... now I see it ! there is a 'cached' mem size in 'top' as well... that explains it ;) |
| 20:53.30 | skript | jelly: thanks for clearing that up then :0 |
| 20:53.32 | etchjster | ive had this error for day and i cant figur out how to fix it xset: bad font path element (#68) |
| 20:53.34 | skript | :0 = :) |
| 20:54.51 | nitro4ce | Zaggynl nothing nvm |
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| 20:55.03 | Zaggynl | :3) |
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| 20:55.19 | etchjster | anyon know if updating fonts causes issues? |
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| 20:55.44 | Zaggynl | How do I check what debian version I'm running? |
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| 20:57.28 | shafire | how can i install python-imaging in python2.5? |
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| 20:58.40 | tralala | Zaggynl, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:58.44 | Zaggynl | thanks |
| 20:58.46 | Zaggynl | 3.1 |
| 20:58.47 | Zaggynl | hmm |
| 20:58.52 | rpc | stable |
| 20:58.59 | Zaggynl | I just did apt-get upgrade :/ |
| 20:59.09 | rpc | so? |
| 20:59.12 | Zaggynl | I do have to change my sources.list first eh? |
| 20:59.31 | tralala | what a nice idea! |
| 20:59.32 | rpc | upgrade brought you the latest versions of 3.1. packages |
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| 20:59.48 | graytron | great packages! |
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| 20:59.57 | rpc | very |
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| 21:00.01 | markedwards | anyone know how to regenerate a default /etc/kernel-img.conf? I want to make sure I have the default values. |
| 21:00.21 | pipegeek | howdy. Does anyone in this channel know how I might go about listing all clients currently connected to an X server? |
| 21:00.24 | yolkaplexus | hello anyone remember the name of the font developed by redhat ? |
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| 21:00.40 | yolkaplexus | and was supposed to be comfortable |
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| 21:01.34 | pipegeek | I'm going a little crazy here; there's a screensaver that I must have somehow accidentally enabled some time ago, and I can't figure out how to disable it. It would help if I knew what the name of the program actually was. |
| 21:01.46 | Zaggynl | hardyhar |
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| 21:01.57 | pipegeek | ? |
| 21:02.28 | Guerin | pipegeek: xscreensaver, probably |
| 21:02.32 | pipegeek | Not installed |
| 21:02.37 | Guerin | no idea, then |
| 21:02.49 | pipegeek | It's just one screensaver: white x logo on a black background |
| 21:03.03 | pipegeek | It comes on after five minutes. I've disabled kscreensaver, and power management |
| 21:03.05 | pipegeek | no dice |
| 21:03.13 | Guerin | xlock? or something? |
| 21:03.17 | pipegeek | but, is there any way I could see what programs were currently using the x server? |
| 21:03.18 | pipegeek | not installed |
| 21:03.43 | tralala | pipegeek, top |
| 21:03.49 | tralala | sort of |
| 21:03.51 | pipegeek | yeah, but it takes almost no cpu |
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| 21:04.02 | pipegeek | because all it does is display the x logo on a black background |
| 21:04.05 | Guerin | there must be a way to do that |
| 21:04.12 | tralala | well, ps |
| 21:04.23 | pipegeek | I thought so to, but I've been googling for a while |
| 21:05.19 | pipegeek | well |
| 21:05.19 | Guerin | i'd just look through ps ax and start killing things at random :) |
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| 21:05.20 | tralala | a proper scientific approach :) |
| 21:05.20 | pipegeek | Can't do that from here, though. The only other computers I have access to are a five-minute walk away, and if I did that on this computer, I'd kill the screensaver |
| 21:05.20 | Guerin | pipegeek: i know! Wait for it to lock up and then use xkill! |
| 21:05.21 | pipegeek | clicking the mouse button would cause it to exit normally, before xkill did any good |
| 21:05.26 | vash_ts | .debianforum.de |
| 21:05.31 | vash_ts | .debianforum.de |
| 21:05.36 | Guerin | it's funny, laugh |
| 21:05.47 | pipegeek | arrgh |
| 21:05.48 | Guerin | vash_ts: fuck off and play on the autobahn |
| 21:07.01 | ArmEagle | sigh.. got things messed up again.. |
| 21:07.11 | ArmEagle | local box is FC6, remote debian. |
| 21:07.35 | streuner | Guerin: are you learning german? ;-) |
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| 21:07.52 | ArmEagle | i use gnome-terminal to ssh to remate. if i then run emacs keycombos like ctrl+shift+5 don't result in teh expected |
| 21:08.05 | Guerin | streuner: nein |
| 21:08.11 | ArmEagle | when i run emacs locally in gnome-terminal it worjs just fine |
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| 21:08.22 | streuner | Guerin: :-) |
| 21:08.28 | ArmEagle | so i guess somewhere in ssh something is going wrong.. |
| 21:08.31 | graytron | pipegeek: use the console until the screen locks and then use ps ux|tail to see the process name |
| 21:08.33 | Kevin` | how can you get a list of the bad blocks in an ext3 filesystem? |
| 21:08.37 | graytron | pipegeek: on the console |
| 21:08.43 | pipegeek | I'll give it a shot |
| 21:08.44 | Guerin | ArmEagle: TERM mismatch |
| 21:08.46 | Guerin | ? |
| 21:08.53 | ArmEagle | yeah i think something like that |
| 21:08.58 | graytron | pipegeek: i mean, don't use X, use the real Linux console |
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| 21:09.05 | ArmEagle | totally forgot how i (probalby/IF) i fixed it the other time |
| 21:09.28 | graytron | only, if its not a new process, it won't help :D |
| 21:09.29 | Guerin | Kevin`: man badblocks; this nformation is useless, since the presence of ONE bad block means `time to get a new driver' |
| 21:09.46 | Kevin` | Guerin I mean the list already in the filesystem, not checking for it |
| 21:10.01 | Guerin | Kevin`: no, i don't know, sorry. |
| 21:10.02 | Kevin` | i'll be getting a new one soon, it's a rare component to find in stores |
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| 21:11.00 | jonas3 | I have a lvm volume group and want to add another disk to it. How do I do it? |
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| 21:11.40 | multi_io | jonas3: vgextend |
| 21:11.40 | xingu | badblocks badblocks, whatcha gonna do when they fail on you |
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| 21:13.03 | muhoo_ | wow, will svn-buildpackage really make a debian package out of any svn repository, even if upstream doesn't include debian packaging stuff? |
| 21:13.27 | ArmEagle | Guerin hmm what options are there? xterm, linux, vt200 . i do see difference when i set those and then start emacs.. |
| 21:13.49 | xingu | heh, that could go wildly wrong, I know one group that keeps an entire research kernel and userland in a single svn repo |
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| 21:14.04 | multi_io | ArmEagle: set it to the same value you're using locally |
| 21:14.18 | muhoo_ | seems like it's be impossible to capture all of the "new maintainer's guide" into one script and have it all automated |
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| 21:14.22 | ArmEagle | yeah thats the problem. its both xterm :) |
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| 21:15.28 | h3sp4wn | muhoo_: cdbs almost manages that |
| 21:15.35 | karsten | tralala: |
| 21:15.36 | karsten | stoned: / |
| 21:15.57 | muhoo_ | cdbs scares me |
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| 21:16.08 | jonas3 | multi_io, I do not need to format whole thing? |
| 21:16.18 | jonas3 | multi_io, create /dev/hdb |
| 21:16.22 | multi_io | ArmEagle: hm, so the terminfo datebase is different on the remote machine |
| 21:16.26 | jonas3 | multi_io, and then? |
| 21:16.38 | ArmEagle | maybe.. or maybe its something toally different :P |
| 21:16.43 | tralala | karsten, |
| 21:16.54 | Guerin | ArmEagle: they should probably both be linux, or xterm |
| 21:16.55 | h3sp4wn | muhoo_: me also |
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| 21:17.09 | multi_io | ArmEagle: well, it could also be the curses library, but I think that's unlikely |
| 21:17.14 | Guerin | ArmEagle: it may also be a locale issue? |
| 21:17.30 | muhoo_ | lots of crazy bash and perl magick |
| 21:17.32 | multi_io | jonas3: you want to add /dev/hdb to a volume group? |
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| 21:17.39 | ArmEagle | yeah could be.. LANG and TERM are both send trough with ssh though i think |
| 21:17.39 | jonas3 | yes |
| 21:17.44 | jonas3 | multi_io, yes |
| 21:17.56 | muhoo_ | gah, svn-buildpackage appears to depend on the upstream using a particular repository layout. faaaack. |
| 21:17.59 | jonas3 | multi_io, whole disk |
| 21:18.10 | jonas3 | it's a new one with no partition table |
| 21:18.35 | muhoo_ | which, happily, some packages use. but not all |
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| 21:19.09 | rfrank | Hey guys, just installed debian AMD64, X won't start |
| 21:19.12 | rfrank | says no screens found |
| 21:19.20 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 21:19.20 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 21:19.21 | multi_io | jonas3: you can't format a volume group because a voilume group is not a block device |
| 21:19.28 | rfrank | everything seems to be ok in the conf file.. I have a radeon card so I told it to use the radeon driver |
| 21:19.35 | rfrank | I don't think the problem has to do with it being amd64 |
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| 21:20.03 | muhoo_ | heh, there's also 64studio |
| 21:20.04 | multi_io | you can create logical volumes (LVs) on a volume group, and LVs are block devices, so you can format those :) |
| 21:20.14 | Gnea | rfrank: but it IS amd64, and so falls under that category of support. |
| 21:20.19 | rfrank | alright |
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| 21:20.28 | shafire | hello |
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| 21:20.29 | jonas3 | multi_io, yesh get that |
| 21:20.31 | shafire | i installed debian |
| 21:20.38 | shafire | and want to install a software with aptitude |
| 21:20.40 | multi_io | jonas3: so, are you saying that right now your VG consists of just one large LV? |
| 21:20.41 | jonas3 | vgcreate to create the VG. |
| 21:20.45 | shafire | but aptitude want to remove my system :( |
| 21:20.47 | shafire | wants wrong |
| 21:20.48 | jonas3 | multi_io, YES |
| 21:20.51 | shafire | whats wrong |
| 21:21.00 | shafire | ?? |
| 21:21.19 | Eulex | define 'remove your system' |
| 21:21.23 | jonas3 | I have one big VG that is 250 Gb with only one disk. Now I want to add a new 250 Gb to that group |
| 21:21.29 | ArmEagle | hmm the funyn thing is that ctrl+shift+- does 'undo', but ctrl+shift+5 simply prints a '%'.. |
| 21:21.34 | shafire | Eulex: there 100 packages |
| 21:21.44 | shafire | want to remove over 63 critical system packages |
| 21:21.51 | ArmEagle | this problem simply keeps hunting me :) |
| 21:21.53 | multi_io | jonas3: ok, so you first do vgextend the_vg /dev/hdb, then you enlarge the LV on the VG using lvextend, then you enlarge the filesystem on the LV using e.g. resize2fs |
| 21:22.12 | Guerin | shafire: you have mixed systems. |
| 21:22.12 | shafire | no? |
| 21:22.14 | Guerin | shafire: stable/testing, most likely |
| 21:22.15 | shafire | its a fresh installation |
| 21:22.15 | multi_io | jonas3: so, no need to reformat |
| 21:22.21 | shafire | its only testing |
| 21:22.40 | rfrank | How do I specify the location of a PCI device in my x conf file |
| 21:22.41 | Guerin | shafire: in that case, run aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 21:22.49 | jonas3 | Ok so you can extend a VH with another whole disk |
| 21:22.50 | jonas3 | cool |
| 21:22.53 | tralala | perhaps you have removed something vital |
| 21:22.53 | jonas3 | VG |
| 21:22.55 | shafire | Guerin: okay |
| 21:23.11 | multi_io | jonas3: right |
| 21:23.23 | jonas3 | multi_io, thank you very much |
| 21:23.34 | multi_io | np :P |
| 21:23.43 | jonas3 | I will try that shortly, just read the MAn page and it seems simple :-) |
| 21:24.44 | hq4ever | What application can take screen shots of a web page that needs scrolling to capture all of it's content? |
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| 21:25.24 | shafire | how can i install the python-imaging package in python2.5? |
| 21:25.34 | rfrank | How do I specify the location of a PCI device in my x conf file |
| 21:26.21 | Eulex | rfrank, why do you need to do that? |
| 21:27.20 | Guerin | shafire: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:27.46 | hq4ever | rfrank: BusID "PCI:0:2:0" |
| 21:28.00 | hq4ever | inside the device section |
| 21:28.11 | Guerin | rfrank: you likely don't need to, but if so you'll need to convert the address or whetever it is from hex to decimal (from lspci) and then run drxx |
| 21:29.30 | rfrank | Argh |
| 21:29.35 | rfrank | for some reason it won't find my video card |
| 21:29.55 | rfrank | it is a sapphire radeon x1600 pro |
| 21:29.59 | rfrank | That uses the radeon driver right |
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| 21:30.43 | Guerin | !htfswk rfrank |
| 21:30.43 | dpkg | rfrank: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 21:31.14 | rfrank | .... |
| 21:32.18 | rfrank | well I was able to get gdm to run with vesa driver |
| 21:32.24 | rfrank | o_O |
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| 21:33.51 | rfrank | got xfce to run, gonna irc from there |
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| 21:34.33 | pipegeek | graytron: the screensaver either can detect activity on the console, or the act of switching back to X woke it up. However, during 10 minutes watching ps auwx, no new me-owned processes appeared |
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| 21:35.49 | dmb | hey |
| 21:35.57 | dmb | anyone know what package killall is in? |
| 21:36.09 | dmb | i just installed the etch RC and killall isn't installed in the base system |
| 21:36.18 | Guerin | pipegeek: it may be running as a daemon, as root |
| 21:36.29 | Guerin | dmb: psmisc |
| 21:36.30 | tralala | dmb, use pkill |
| 21:36.45 | pipegeek | aaarrrggghhh. I suppose that's true |
| 21:37.00 | Eulex | dmb, psmisc |
| 21:37.08 | nse | hey guys i have a problem: xorg is eating my cpu. it didn't use to be like this, but from some time on my computer is very slow. top says that xorg is using around 45% of the cpu. is there something wrong? |
| 21:37.09 | pipegeek | In fact, that must be the case, given that I nuked all my dotfiles a while ago, with no effect |
| 21:37.44 | dmb | ahh |
| 21:37.57 | dmb | shouldn't debian etch's base system includ psmisc? |
| 21:38.24 | Guerin | dmb: dunno. Why? |
| 21:38.37 | pipegeek | Now, /usr/sbin/powersaved -d -f /var/run/acpid.socket appears in the list. However, that doesn't necessarily mean anything |
| 21:38.38 | Deepa | anyone know a apt-gettable FTP client that supports socks5 proxies? |
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| 21:39.05 | dmb | Guerin: killall and friends are essential for a working base system |
| 21:39.36 | tralala | dmb, how? |
| 21:40.13 | streuner | !info psmisc etch |
| 21:40.16 | dmb | well, killall is one of the first command sys admins look |
| 21:40.20 | dpkg | psmisc: (Utilities that use the proc filesystem), section admin, is optional. Version: 22.3-1 (etch), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 456 kB |
| 21:40.21 | dmb | yes, i know kill works |
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| 21:42.38 | tralala | dmb, I once used killall on an AIX server after having used it for a while on linux. It killed all the processes it could. Now I use pkill |
| 21:43.02 | dmb | oh |
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| 21:43.11 | btiffin | /exit |
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| 21:44.28 | shafire | is / 5gb and /home 70gb enough for server? |
| 21:44.41 | Guerin | dmb: if you think the package should be a higher priority, file a bug against the metapackage, with reasoning. |
| 21:44.51 | dmb | ok |
| 21:44.53 | Guerin | shafire: it depends. |
| 21:45.04 | Guerin | oh, it might not be a metapackage |
| 21:45.05 | shafire | lighttpd sqlite python php ruby |
| 21:45.09 | Guerin | anyway, against psmisc |
| 21:45.13 | shafire | mysql |
| 21:45.22 | Guerin | shafire: no, what *content* you're serving, and where from. |
| 21:45.26 | tralala | shafire, if the server is expected to use limited software and to have users with lots of data, yes |
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| 21:45.33 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 21:45.50 | shafire | tralala: okay :) |
| 21:45.53 | dazjorz | I'm SSHed into an OpenSuSE system right now, and I need to somehow 'convert' it into a Debian system by any means |
| 21:46.35 | dazjorz | Is there any good way to do this but to install all packages through apt-get and removing old files ? |
| 21:46.41 | Guerin | dazjorz: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t49672.html # you get to keep all the bits |
| 21:47.23 | rfrank | hey a while ago I asked what driver I might need for something and someone gave me a link to a site where you'd paste the output of lspci and it'd tell you what you need |
| 21:47.26 | rfrank | can someone link me? |
| 21:47.34 | Guerin | rfrank: /msg dpkg hcl |
| 21:47.39 | lupine_85 | dazjorz: hehehe |
| 21:47.47 | Guerin | or maybe `what driver' |
| 21:47.51 | dazjorz | Thanks a lot, Guerin! |
| 21:47.59 | Guerin | !bless dazjorz |
| 21:47.59 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child dazjorz, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 21:48.08 | lupine_85 | I tried doing something similar on ubuntu->debian once |
| 21:48.16 | tralala | dazjorz, if you're a real master or really lucky you might be able to do it using a debootstrap install |
| 21:48.24 | lupine_85 | if you can get hold of debootstrap, it's doable, but it'll be messy |
| 21:48.34 | Guerin | the only thing which is messy is the kernel |
| 21:48.58 | Guerin | if you fuck that bit up, you have to call the local techsupp and get them to tre-image, it's very embarrasing |
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| 21:49.56 | graytron | that sounds like a nice challenge though :D |
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| 21:50.41 | abrotman | !tell rfrank about which driver |
| 21:51.24 | rfrank | I got it |
| 21:51.31 | rfrank | it doesn't tell me what I need for my video card though |
| 21:51.39 | abrotman | what is your video card ? |
| 21:51.43 | rfrank | ATI Radeon X1600 |
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| 21:51.50 | abrotman | fglrx .. if that even supports it |
| 21:51.52 | dvs | good choice! |
| 21:51.53 | rfrank | I'm getting the driver from the AMD/ATI page |
| 21:52.00 | abrotman | !fglrx |
| 21:52.01 | dpkg | methinks fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for sarge/stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
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| 21:52.09 | khnh | hi guys |
| 21:52.20 | dvs | fglrx 8.33 supports it |
| 21:52.24 | apk | fglrx sucks. crashes a lot. |
| 21:52.32 | abrotman | binary drivers suck :) |
| 21:52.46 | jelly-home | vacuumcleaners suck |
| 21:53.23 | rfrank | .. black holes suck |
| 21:53.23 | dvs | sucking sucks |
| 21:53.23 | jelly-home | wee babies suck |
| 21:53.23 | cout | why might scripts in /etc/rcS.d not execute on boot? I put a script there called S01test that touches a file in /tmp and when my system is booted that file is not there. |
| 21:53.23 | rfrank | hahah |
| 21:53.24 | apk | binary drivers don't always suck. unstable binary drivers suck. unstable open source drivers suck. |
| 21:53.24 | multi_io | I once converted an old Redhat to Debian by, essentially, installing Debian in a chroot and then booting it at the very end |
| 21:53.31 | multi_io | *rebooting |
| 21:53.36 | khnh | quick question, i have a file called a.txt, is there a way to know which program or script that created that file |
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| 21:53.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if GNU Java can be used as an Iceweasel plugin? |
| 21:54.02 | jelly-home | khnh: generally, no |
| 21:54.05 | sid | khnh: fire up a hex editor and check the file possibly? |
| 21:54.20 | sid | khnh: Some programs might put something in the header, but it's unlikely. |
| 21:54.41 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: GNU java as in gij? |
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| 21:54.43 | khnh | thanks for the info guys |
| 21:54.44 | cout | khnh: you can look at the timestamp and infer from that, maybe |
| 21:54.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Yup |
| 21:55.03 | khnh | cout:will do |
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| 21:55.26 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: i have no idea, just wanted to make sure I understood the question |
| 21:56.02 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: "gcjwebplugin - web browser plugin to execute Java (tm) applets |
| 21:56.02 | jelly-home | " |
| 21:56.06 | graytron | there's at least two GNU Java's now? :) |
| 21:56.25 | graytron | Sun's GPLed Java is difficult to find though |
| 21:56.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Thanks |
| 21:56.58 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: (it's only in unstable it seems) |
| 21:57.26 | jelly-home | graytron: GPLed != GNU |
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| 21:58.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: There seems to be an etch one called java-gcj-compat-plugin |
| 21:58.14 | graytron | jelly-home: GPL = The GNU General Public License, so why couldn't it be called GNU? |
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| 21:58.39 | r3m | Hi, i can't find the flopy image of etch to install debian via NIC |
| 21:58.53 | graytron | maybe dpkg has some info on it |
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| 21:59.00 | jelly-home | graytron: beacuse license has nothing to do with copyright, and "GNU foo" is usually reserved for apps (c) by FSF |
| 21:59.07 | rfrank | I just downloaded the driver from the ATI site and ran the installer but I don't think it did anything |
| 21:59.45 | rfrank | it uncompressed it, gave me version of x and pc architecture then removed its temp folder and closed |
| 21:59.48 | graytron | jelly-home: ok, so GNU is for FSF, like Linux is for certain Linus, a trademark? |
| 22:00.20 | jelly-home | graytron: no idea if "GNU" is a trademark or not |
| 22:00.47 | jonas3 | multi_io, when I try lvextend I get New size given (58880 extents) not larger than existing size (59648 extents) |
| 22:00.47 | jonas3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | FSF != GNU |
| 22:01.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | GNU is an operating system |
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| 22:01.11 | rfrank | fsf <> gnu |
| 22:01.12 | rfrank | :P |
| 22:01.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | FSF is a group |
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| 22:01.26 | dvs | !tell r3m -about topicsmite r3m |
| 22:01.31 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: no, but their software has the GNU demarcation |
| 22:01.45 | moshii | Dark_Apostrophe: GNU/Hurd is an operating system |
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| 22:02.01 | jelly-home | GNU/Linux is an operationg system too ;-) |
| 22:02.12 | graytron | not as good as real GNU operating system |
| 22:02.18 | ralph_spencer | hi, I have a problem with the lib comedi. when I write: # comedi_config /dev/comedi0 pcm3718 0x300. the answer is: device not configured. I think I have not loaded the right module. for the moment I've just installed the libcomedi0 and libcomedi-dev (my system: debian sarge, 2.6). Can somebody help me please?? |
| 22:02.26 | jonas3 | multi_io, sorry my fault |
| 22:02.32 | moshii | graytron: Hurd is still a bit "development" |
| 22:02.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://www.gnu.org/ |
| 22:02.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | The GNU Operating System - Free as in Freedom |
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| 22:03.03 | graytron | moshii: most operating systems are :) |
| 22:03.05 | jelly-home | graytron: well, call my grandchildren when GNU/Hurd gets to a usable state |
| 22:03.30 | graytron | jelly-home: heh |
| 22:03.33 | moshii | jelly-home: you can use it, just don't expect it to support everything or be totally stable |
| 22:04.09 | moshii | jelly-home: as long as they get most of the kernel done and leave the ability to port linux drivers the future is bright |
| 22:04.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: Thanks, but no thanks, I don't like beer. |
| 22:04.22 | jelly-home | moshii: sorry, stable is a requisite feature |
| 22:04.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | karsten: If you have some red wine though... :) |
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| 22:05.03 | moshii | jelly-home: mm there are some that would say the linux kernel is far from stable though |
| 22:05.32 | moshii | jelly-home: look at all the junk that's getting into the main tree thesedays |
| 22:05.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: I tried the Hurd |
| 22:05.42 | jelly-home | moshii: I would at least partly agree |
| 22:06.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Aside from X not starting, it seemed to work pretty well :Ø |
| 22:06.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | :P * |
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| 22:06.53 | moshii | The problem linux will face very soon is that code quality is going down. |
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| 22:07.25 | graytron | luckily Microsoft made a deal with Novell to ensure better quality |
| 22:07.28 | moshii | Dark_Apostrophe: I had X working on hurd at one point .. Debian/Hurd needs native installer badly |
| 22:07.33 | rutski | How come gnome only lets me choose a max of 1024x786 resolution? |
| 22:07.57 | rutski | The resolution settings for depth 24 in the X11 config say 1280x1024, 1024x786 |
| 22:07.58 | streuner | !drxx rutski |
| 22:07.59 | dpkg | rutski: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:08.07 | rutski | I know I for a fact that this video card can do a higher resolution |
| 22:08.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | rutski: It's a sign from God telling you to use KDE :) |
| 22:08.20 | rutski | heh |
| 22:08.25 | rfrank | argh |
| 22:08.29 | rfrank | I can't get the ati drivers to install |
| 22:08.33 | rfrank | it just doens't do anything |
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| 22:08.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just kidding, God does, of course, not exist |
| 22:08.43 | moshii | rutski: has a look at the log when X starts |
| 22:08.47 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't think He's a big supporter of KDE |
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| 22:09.05 | moshii | rutski: just because you have a mode in your config doesn't mean it works |
| 22:09.17 | rutski | moshii: I know |
| 22:09.23 | distatica | Is there by chance an easy way to enable the framebuffer in debian, without modifying the kernel? |
| 22:09.32 | ralph_spencer | does nobody have informations about the comedi lib? |
| 22:09.33 | rutski | moshii: but it should work, because it was working on this comp just this morning before I reinsatlled |
| 22:09.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Of course he is, jest like the FSM, Cthulhu and the easter bunny :) |
| 22:09.39 | moshii | distatica: what framebuffer? |
| 22:09.54 | moshii | rutski: what chipset? |
| 22:09.54 | rutski | streuner: that didn't do it :-/ |
| 22:09.54 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: I beg to differ, but it's offtopic anyway. |
| 22:09.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: (They don't exist, and can't have a say in the matter) |
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| 22:10.06 | rutski | moshii: mobo wise? probably some nvidia chipset. |
| 22:10.15 | moshii | rutski: on the graphics card |
| 22:10.40 | rutski | moshii: in that case, define "chipset" |
| 22:10.52 | distatica | Maybe i'm looking for the wrong thing, I was under the impression that graphics could be displayed from console by enabling a framebuffer. |
| 22:10.53 | rfrank | is there really a version of the fglrx driver for 64bit? |
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| 22:11.03 | moshii | rutski: well, did the set of chipts on the board come from ATI, Nvidia.. |
| 22:11.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | GPU model? |
| 22:11.11 | distatica | I don't want to run a graphical window manager if I can avoid it. |
| 22:11.21 | rutski | moshii: oh, Nvidia |
| 22:11.25 | moshii | distatica: you want the console framebuffer? |
| 22:11.28 | rutski | moshii: and I just finished installing the nvidia dirvers |
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| 22:11.58 | moshii | distatica: pass the right line to the kernel on boot, or modprobe the right framebuffer driver for your card and use fbset |
| 22:12.03 | distatica | yeah, someone told me firefox runs fine in it, (or was it links? Can't remember) but that's the only reason I really enjoy X, is for firefox |
| 22:12.05 | Quibus | Hi all. Is it possible that some things don't work anymore in IceWeasel, that worked in FireFox? Some JS seems broken now |
| 22:12.14 | distatica | ok, thank you :) |
| 22:12.20 | moshii | distatica: you mean directfb? |
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| 22:12.27 | distatica | I'm not sure |
| 22:12.54 | moshii | distatica: I don't think there is a version of whatever toolkit firefox uses for the framebuffer |
| 22:13.02 | distatica | all I want to do is have a graphical web browser (prefer firefox, I guess Ice Weasel now) from the console, without hitting alt+f7 and waiting for it to switch back |
| 22:13.31 | distatica | ok, that kind of sucks, but there's links, and i'm sure it must have been that he said ran fine. |
| 22:13.33 | moshii | distatica: why not use a window manager like ratpoison |
| 22:13.37 | distatica | I do |
| 22:13.43 | distatica | ratpoison |
| 22:13.44 | distatica | heh |
| 22:14.06 | moshii | distatica: so what is your problem? a xterm is probably going to be faster than a framebuffer console |
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| 22:14.37 | distatica | I prefer typing in the main console, it's much faster (for me at least) |
| 22:14.44 | moshii | distatica: you could use directfb and it's micro x server thing.. |
| 22:14.54 | distatica | errr.. not main console, the actual old CLI |
| 22:15.13 | rutski | moshii: how does the gnome screen resolution tool decide which resolutions to let you pick from? |
| 22:15.13 | distatica | i'll look into that |
| 22:15.23 | moshii | distatica: how so? unless you have broken drivers I reckon the drawing within xterm is shit load faster than the kernel drivers |
| 22:15.41 | distatica | perhaps I have broken drivers |
| 22:15.46 | graytron | can you really recommendate ratpoison to debian users? |
| 22:15.48 | distatica | maybe it's just easier for me to see.. not sure |
| 22:15.56 | distatica | graytron, sure, why not? |
| 22:15.57 | moshii | rutski: not sure, I don't use gnome, but I prefer not to use the wm to set that anyhoo |
| 22:16.04 | distatica | fits my purposes to a degree |
| 22:16.23 | rutski | heh,yea |
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| 22:16.31 | moshii | distatica: you might be able to render a xterm on the x root window |
| 22:16.35 | distatica | maybe i'll just try to change kkljdfasfjasdfkajlsdf |
| 22:16.37 | distatica | sorry |
| 22:16.38 | distatica | kid |
| 22:17.11 | distatica | maybe i'll just try to change my xterm to look more like the original CLI, that might help |
| 22:17.28 | moshii | distatica: you mean your original shell? |
| 22:17.34 | distatica | I like the text, its' bigger, but it's definitely faster on my computer |
| 22:17.40 | distatica | yeah |
| 22:18.06 | moshii | distatica: the only difference with bash on the framebuffer console and xterm is that xterm is generally black on white not the other way around |
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| 22:18.44 | distatica | my xterms are all white on black |
| 22:19.02 | distatica | but i'll play withklkl fonts |
| 22:19.11 | distatica | omg, hehe, this kid loves the keyboard |
| 22:19.22 | rfrank | how can I upgrade to unstable? |
| 22:19.54 | moshii | distatica: so basically, instead of just reading the man page for xterm and increasing the size of the font you thought you'd run firefox on the framebuffer console? you're mental |
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| 22:20.06 | graytron | !dnuts |
| 22:20.06 | dpkg | well, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> |
| 22:20.21 | distatica | I think you missed the part about it being faster too |
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| 22:20.26 | distatica | for text input |
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| 22:20.37 | D4rkc3n | Bonsoir |
| 22:20.38 | rfrank | uhh |
| 22:20.57 | dvs | who's he |
| 22:20.57 | distatica | but since framebuffer is going to be slower, like you just told me, i've decided against it, and NOW am going to change xterm |
| 22:20.58 | moshii | distatica: any proof to show that there is major difference? |
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| 22:21.21 | h3sp4wn | distatica: if you are using an ati card radeonfb is accelerated and very nice to use |
| 22:21.23 | distatica | between what, the speed of my text input in xterm ,and in console? |
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| 22:21.43 | distatica | I have an onboard i810 graphical controller, it's pimped |
| 22:21.48 | distatica | and no agp slots |
| 22:21.53 | jelly-home | distatica: try ctrl-right click on an xterm |
| 22:21.54 | distatica | although I have two agp cards |
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| 22:22.14 | moshii | distatica: the thing is the framebuffer drivers in the kernel are pretty stupid, where as the x driver generally support the features of your graphics chipset. |
| 22:22.32 | distatica | I understand that now |
| 22:22.46 | distatica | but it does not make me mental to get a different plan after gaining more information |
| 22:22.49 | distatica | that's called adapting |
| 22:23.18 | moshii | distatica: I have a i810 based chipset.. using anything except the vesafb isn't worth the time to get it working.. as it still sucks :P |
| 22:23.34 | rfrank | alright, its not an upgrade, I get it |
| 22:23.39 | distatica | you told me it would be slower than X, well switching between X and console is pretty slow too, now i've changed my mind, am going to live with X, and was deciding to change the xterm settings, to at least look more like console. |
| 22:23.43 | rfrank | switch to unstable? what do you want me to say |
| 22:23.47 | Gnea | moshii: sometimes people need to learn the hard way :) |
| 22:24.40 | moshii | distatica: The point is man you don't need to switch between X and the fb console because you can have a perfectly fine bash session under x :P |
| 22:24.49 | distatica | ... |
| 22:25.04 | distatica | really, you don't say? I *just* said I was switching to X only |
| 22:25.11 | shining | wouldn't it be possible to somehow fusion the capacity of X and fb ? to have one driver accelerate both |
| 22:25.25 | distatica | """ now i've changed my mind, am going to live with X, and was deciding to change the xterm settings, to at least look more like console. """ distatica, 3 messages ago. |
| 22:25.25 | Gnea | shining: it has been |
| 22:25.28 | graytron | "Please note that running graphical applications that directly touch the hardware (e.g. an accelerated X server) and that are not frame buffer device-aware may cause unexpected results." -- /usr/src/linux/drivers/video/Kconfig ... anyone have experience with these unexpected results and what they are? |
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| 22:25.39 | moshii | distatica: if you've ever run mplayer on the fb you'll know how bad graphical applications kill it :( |
| 22:25.48 | distatica | huh? |
| 22:25.50 | shining | Gnea: how exactly? |
| 22:25.56 | distatica | are you even reading what i'm saying? |
| 22:26.07 | distatica | I'M SWITCHING TO X ONLY (shouting intentional) |
| 22:26.38 | moshii | distatica: yes I know :P .. change your xsession to open a xterm and full screen it, job done :D |
| 22:26.51 | h3sp4wn | moshii: when I was using an ati radeon 9250 (up until very recently) the x driver and radeonfb worked very well together (and mplayer worked well with the accelerated directfb driver) |
| 22:27.00 | Gnea | ok people |
| 22:27.05 | Gnea | CTFO :) |
| 22:27.21 | moshii | h3sp4wn: the radeonfb driver is the best of a bad lot |
| 22:27.30 | distatica | lol, then you shouldn't call people names, and I don't know if Gnea's comment about people learning the hard way was in relation to me, but really, was it that illogical of a thing to do, change my mind after getting more information? |
| 22:27.50 | Gnea | shining: http://www.linuxjunkies.org/html/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html |
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| 22:29.06 | h3sp4wn | moshii: I thought it was the only decent one but links2 -g with radeonfb is fine for my browsing needs (vesafb and probably anything else isn't so I have to run X) |
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| 22:29.36 | moshii | h3sp4wn: is the vesafb really that slow on your hardware? |
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| 22:30.15 | shining | Gnea: what were X drivers created, instead of developing framebuffer ones, and using these for X ? |
| 22:30.16 | n3kl | Anyone know if I switch internfaces in ntop if it will continue to monitor all interfaces? Does it just change the interface that it is graphing for you? |
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| 22:30.18 | shining | because it seems that X drivers are generally more advanced than fb ones |
| 22:30.25 | sebas891 | hello. |
| 22:30.27 | h3sp4wn | moshii: links2 -g is not usably quick on an nvidia 7300GT |
| 22:30.31 | Gnea | shining: XFB |
| 22:30.31 | moshii | n3kl: in the web interface? |
| 22:30.53 | moshii | h3sp4wn: drawing speed? |
| 22:31.12 | h3sp4wn | moshii: yep it just doesn't feel responsive |
| 22:31.13 | sebas891 | anyone struggled to get artsd to play ogg and mp3 files? |
| 22:31.14 | Gnea | shining: or xvfb |
| 22:31.21 | n3kl | moshii: yeah, there is a switch interface thing on the web interface. I figure that this is just to chage the view, not the monitor interface |
| 22:31.36 | moshii | h3sp4wn: -g meaning graphical? .. this is why we have X .. |
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| 22:32.14 | moshii | n3kl: yeah I think that's how it works.. I don't like changing settings on ntop though as it seems to dump everything it's logged in the past :/ |
| 22:32.28 | h3sp4wn | moshii: Its nice to use on radeonfb and I prefer that to X (like the look of the vt's cannot get xterm to use the sunlat15 font) |
| 22:32.40 | rfrank | is there a testing version of amd64? |
| 22:32.46 | n3kl | moshii: ah |
| 22:32.54 | moshii | h3sp4wn: what about rxvt? |
| 22:33.00 | n3kl | moshii: you know of any other good tools for monitoring network traffic? |
| 22:33.11 | h3sp4wn | moshii: I currently use xterm but I still don't think it looks as nice |
| 22:33.38 | moshii | h3sp4wn: and I thought there was some real reason for using it.. :P |
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| 22:34.05 | moshii | n3kl: um, ntop is the best I've found so far if your switches don't support netflow or similar |
| 22:34.36 | h3sp4wn | moshii: I just have an single instance of screen either way and a browser |
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| 22:34.55 | killerstorm | helo. which command binds process to specific CPU? (sets process affinity). i've read article that says /bin/bind should do this, but i don't see it under debian.. |
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| 22:35.53 | Ubuh-Huntuh | hi, i downloaded a bootable iso file for debian from the net and i'm using cdrecord to burn it. I should be able to boot from it without doing anything else right? |
| 22:35.57 | n3kl | I have a problem with acidbase for snort. When I try to connect to http:/server/acidbase I get Database ERROR:Access denied for user 'snort'@'localhost'. Snort is up and running connected to the database and everything and I can log in using the user that acidbase is using from the command line. Is there something that I am missing here? |
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| 22:36.15 | moshii | h3sp4wn: see, I pull a single screen session between a framebuffer, a serial console and xterms.. the difference is pretty minimal |
| 22:36.31 | moshii | h3sp4wn: although I can use UTF correctly on an xterm |
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| 22:37.10 | moshii | Ubuh-Huntuh: you need to tell your bios/firmware to boot from cd |
| 22:37.17 | Ubuh-Huntuh | right... |
| 22:37.36 | rfrank | isn't the ati driver supposed to do more than this: http://paste.uni.cc/13092 |
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| 22:39.59 | sebas891 | super! I found my problem, I was missing akode to play ogg and mp3 files with artsd. |
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| 22:40.31 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: use the --help and generate packages for debian |
| 22:40.35 | TheZanke_ | If i have 2 different sound devices how do i switch between them |
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| 22:46.22 | Woosta | What's the package name for the kernel source for uname -r "2.6.18-3-486"? I can only find kernel-source-2.6.8 in aptitude .. |
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| 22:49.05 | jelly-home | Woosta: 2.6.18-3-xxx is from testing, sounds like you're using stable |
| 22:49.08 | haggz | woosta: you are using Etch? |
| 22:49.24 | _Brandon_ | anyone know how to install debian testing/unstable on asus p5b deluxe? it has a jmicron ide controller that isn't supported by the kernel |
| 22:49.27 | Woosta | stable + backports for the kernel |
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| 22:49.50 | jelly-home | _Brandon_: does it work with ide-generic driver? |
| 22:49.56 | Woosta | ahh .. headers might contain enough info .. I'm building a v4l driver .. |
| 22:50.33 | Kvant | rokfit, maybe on http://debian-multimedia.org/ ? |
| 22:51.03 | _Brandon_ | jelly-home: i don't knows but i don't think so, the controller is supported in 2.6.18 or .19 kernel but the installation cd have an older kernel so it can't read the content of the cdrom |
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| 22:51.24 | Supaplex | rokfit: apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 22:51.57 | jelly-home | _Brandon_: there are third party sarge installers with 2.6.18 - 2.6.19 kernels |
| 22:52.17 | jelly-home | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 22:52.17 | dpkg | sarge 2.6.18 is, like, if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 22:52.42 | jelly-home | _Brandon_: that http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm link |
| 22:53.21 | _Brandon_ | jelly-home: ok thanks |
| 22:53.24 | Supaplex | or use the etch installer. |
| 22:53.34 | Woosta | apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch <-- you don't need to specify grub udev initramfs-tools .. I just installed the linux-image and the others were dependencies .. save a couple of chars typing :-) |
| 22:53.41 | jelly-home | Supaplex: can one install sarge with the etch installer? |
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| 22:53.55 | Supaplex | jelly-home: I think so. |
| 22:54.16 | Supaplex | the latest netboot offered it. I'd bug #debian-boot |
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| 22:54.30 | _Brandon_ | well actually i want to install sid not sarge, but the problem is that the etch installer doesn't have the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 22:54.31 | jelly-home | on that other network |
| 22:54.52 | robin_sz | ubuntu? |
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| 22:55.05 | _Brandon_ | i don't like ubuntu:P |
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| 22:55.35 | robin_sz | me neither ... but I think they had a later kernel in their installer ... but I could be worng |
| 22:55.40 | hark | _Brandon_: try the daily images. They should have 2.6.18 iirc |
| 22:55.50 | _Brandon_ | hark: thanks i'll try |
| 22:55.53 | raf256_ | ubuntu is a more user friendly and recent debian isn't it? |
| 22:55.54 | robin_sz | I ve been wrong before |
| 22:56.17 | robin_sz | raf256_, more umm, messed with maybe |
| 22:56.21 | jelly-home | raf256_: you don't have to troll ;-) |
| 22:56.35 | Supaplex | raf256_: it's debian like. that's all there is to say. |
| 22:56.37 | raf256_ | no seriously what is wrong with it |
| 22:56.42 | Woosta | raf256_: IMnsHO ubuntu is debian for the desktop :-) |
| 22:57.08 | raf256_ | its stupid to "fight" between distros |
| 22:57.16 | jelly-home | raf256_: upgrades are hard to do, that's my biggest complaint |
| 22:57.30 | robin_sz | raf256_, it depends on a lot of closed binary blobs ... and some of the configs are a bit wacky ... |
| 22:57.34 | raf256_ | jelly-home: I have same problem on debian testing; and debian stable is a bit too old |
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| 22:57.42 | raf256_ | robin_sz: interesting, like? |
| 22:57.50 | raf256_ | other then kernel? |
| 22:58.21 | jelly-home | raf256_: yes, but when etch is released you'll be able to dist-upgrade without much trouble |
| 22:58.31 | Christoph_vW | I am trying to install Etch RC1 - but it seems to hang at 5% (select and install software) |
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| 22:59.32 | jelly-home | raf256_: I don't expect Ubuntu to be able to pull off decent upgrade paths between their 6-month sid snapshots |
| 22:59.36 | hark | Christoph_vW: use the daily images instead. |
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| 23:01.02 | robin_sz | raf256_, various video drivers for example |
| 23:02.46 | raf256_ | hmm ok |
| 23:02.48 | shafire | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Fritz%21WLAN_USB_Stick?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%29 <-- comment out line 203 ( // pool->ubf[ix].urb->transfer_flags |= URB_ASYNC_UNLINK;) as the symbol is no longer available and save. <-- should i do this in debian testing too? |
| 23:03.01 | rfrank | I need some opinions: whats the best 3d desktop software out there |
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| 23:03.12 | rfrank | like xgl.. compiz.. etc |
| 23:03.35 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: the sun one is quite interesting |
| 23:03.45 | rfrank | which one is that? |
| 23:03.54 | h3sp4wn | http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/ |
| 23:04.12 | IronM | what does it cost h3sp4wn ? *sun one* |
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| 23:04.35 | _Brandon_ | it's in java and it's not really usable |
| 23:04.37 | h3sp4wn | IronM: Free its a technology preview type thing |
| 23:04.47 | Supaplex | http://www.petebevin.com/archives/vim.gif |
| 23:05.17 | IronM | great h3sp4wn ....... thank you for the info :-) |
| 23:05.23 | stoned | retardubuntu |
| 23:05.27 | stoned | new distro |
| 23:05.30 | stoned | started by me |
| 23:05.36 | stoned | please download and give feed back |
| 23:06.06 | jelly-home | stoned: url? |
| 23:06.09 | Supaplex | only someone stoned would bother. |
| 23:06.11 | stoned | lol |
| 23:06.13 | RvGaTe | \o/ |
| 23:06.16 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.20 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.29 | stoned | oops his legs are a bit umm off |
| 23:06.29 | RvGaTe | that was mine ! |
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| 23:06.53 | RvGaTe | you gotta take the /^\ |
| 23:06.53 | jelly-home | /o\ my head hurts |
| 23:06.59 | stoned | haha |
| 23:07.16 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.16 | stoned | jelly-home: been boozin' have ya? |
| 23:07.20 | RvGaTe | whahaha |
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| 23:07.30 | stoned | sippin on grampas ol cough medicine? |
| 23:07.33 | RvGaTe | you ruined it, but you get the point, haha |
| 23:07.34 | jelly-home | stoned: nah, beer is not booze ;-) |
| 23:07.59 | RvGaTe | \o/ <(hurray to beer) |
| 23:08.03 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.08 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.13 | RvGaTe | /^\ |
| 23:08.14 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.15 | stoned | oh my god |
| 23:08.17 | stoned | lol |
| 23:08.18 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 23:08.20 | stoned | gave it balls |
| 23:08.21 | stoned | lol |
| 23:08.23 | stoned | omg! |
| 23:08.25 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.26 | RvGaTe | hahahaha |
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| 23:08.32 | doc_ | hello |
| 23:08.34 | karsten | Gah. My nick's too long.... |
| 23:08.36 | stoned | hi |
| 23:08.42 | RvGaTe | \o/ hello |
| 23:08.45 | RvGaTe | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.47 | stoned | karsten: you dont' have right aligned nicks? |
| 23:08.49 | Supaplex | ? |
| 23:08.56 | karsten | stoned: no. |
| 23:08.58 | stoned | ooh |
| 23:09.01 | pinks | s/d/n |
| 23:09.03 | stoned | karsten: which client? |
| 23:09.08 | Supaplex | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 23:09.19 | doc_ | i've debian etch with xorg 7.1 and a ati rage pro 3d (mach64) graphic card, but when try to start X, it doesn't recognize my card :/ any suggestion ? I tried with ati driver, thanks |
| 23:09.21 | karsten | stoned: irssi |
| 23:09.24 | stoned | karsten: want my theme? |
| 23:09.39 | karsten | stoned: Sure. I'm pretty vanilla here. |
| 23:09.44 | Supaplex | doc_: frame buffering in a pinch |
| 23:09.46 | stoned | hold on |
| 23:09.51 | xand | RvGaTe: SPAMMER |
| 23:09.52 | stoned | i'll upload it to my site |
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| 23:09.55 | Christoph_vW | the daily seems to work |
| 23:10.00 | RvGaTe | xand, just havin fun m8 |
| 23:10.02 | RvGaTe | :) |
| 23:10.12 | doc_ | Supaplex: :/ isn't there support for mach64 ? |
| 23:10.13 | xand | fun? wtf is that? |
| 23:10.41 | Supaplex | doc_: I'm not sure. It's just an idea. |
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| 23:12.33 | *** part/#debian Christoph_vW (n=Christop@reactos/developer/Christoph-vW) |
| 23:12.40 | stoned | !paster me |
| 23:12.40 | dpkg | stoned: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:13.25 | karsten | Is there any sort of diagraming tool for KDE? |
| 23:13.27 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5336 |
| 23:13.32 | stoned | karsten: look it |
| 23:13.41 | stoned | just put that at the bottom of your default.theme |
| 23:13.50 | stoned | you can change -22 to -X |
| 23:14.02 | stoned | X being the number of total characters to use for the whole nick space |
| 23:14.10 | stoned | give you right aligned nicks |
| 23:14.23 | stoned | I just got the sux.theme from irssi and modified it with this |
| 23:14.38 | stoned | makes irc a bit easier to read |
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| 23:15.03 | stoned | karsten: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/sux.theme |
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| 23:15.19 | Supaplex | karsten: like dia? |
| 23:15.33 | karsten | Supaplex: Yeah. |
| 23:15.41 | karsten | Supaplex: Which is what I'm looking at now. |
| 23:15.58 | Supaplex | Yay UML :) |
| 23:16.05 | stoned | uml |
| 23:16.10 | stoned | i picked up a book on it a while ago |
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| 23:16.30 | karsten | stoned: Doh. Wrong box. |
| 23:16.39 | stoned | who me? |
| 23:16.44 | stoned | wait what? |
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| 23:17.15 | kself | stoned: ping |
| 23:17.25 | stoned | I was in asia once |
| 23:17.32 | kself | stoned: wait who what? |
| 23:17.36 | stoned | playing Ping Pong in Ding Dang |
| 23:17.40 | stoned | lol |
| 23:17.49 | stoned | j/k |
| 23:17.51 | kself | stoned: Hrm. Not right alligned. |
| 23:18.10 | stoned | kself: put them in your default.theme and /reload |
| 23:18.15 | kself | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.20 | Supaplex | kself: he was stoned then, and he is stoned now. :P |
| 23:18.26 | stoned | make sure a section called formats is already not there |
| 23:18.30 | stoned | if so, just append it |
| 23:18.30 | Supaplex | {} |
| 23:18.32 | stoned | or just use my theme |
| 23:18.46 | karsten | stoned: ~/.irssi/config ? |
| 23:18.50 | stoned | no no |
| 23:19.01 | stoned | wget it to ~/.irssi/sux.theme |
| 23:19.08 | stoned | then /set theme sux |
| 23:19.12 | kself | stoned: wget what? |
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| 23:19.24 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/sux.theme |
| 23:19.44 | Christoph_vW | I just wanted to install something with apt-get - but it req. the installation cd-rom |
| 23:19.55 | Christoph_vW | but I don't have a cd-rom drive anymore in the machine |
| 23:20.15 | Christoph_vW | all IDE and S-ATA ports are used by hdds |
| 23:20.23 | kself | stoned: OK, theme set |
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| 23:20.28 | Boter | hello guys |
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| 23:20.38 | Kvant | Christoph_vW, try run apt-setup to choose a repository server on the net |
| 23:20.39 | Boter | i have one Q, i'm a bit desperate for now :/ |
| 23:20.41 | kself | stoned: woah, 22 chars is way to wide. |
| 23:20.43 | Ursinha | hi everyone |
| 23:20.44 | mrynit | i got wine working but i have this windows install window asking where to install. its giving me a windows directory c:\Program Files\Crimson Editor. |
| 23:20.50 | stoned | or you http://channels.debian.net/paste/5337 |
| 23:20.56 | Boter | i want to start apache2 but i get some weird error |
| 23:21.00 | stoned | type those without quote in irssi |
| 23:21.02 | jelly-home | mrynit: that's ok |
| 23:21.03 | Boter | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 23:21.03 | Boter | any clue? |
| 23:21.03 | Ursinha | i'm developing deb packages and couldn't find any documentation about piuparts |
| 23:21.05 | stoned | btw |
| 23:21.05 | Christoph_vW | there is no apt-setup |
| 23:21.17 | stoned | [-9] == number of spaces alotted for the entire nick |
| 23:21.20 | Ursinha | does anybody in here know where can i find it? |
| 23:21.21 | mrynit | jelly-home so i run wine and point it to that "virtual" directory? |
| 23:21.23 | jelly-home | mrynit: click Next, just like you would on windows. ;-( |
| 23:21.23 | Kvant | Christoph_vW, you use etch? |
| 23:21.27 | stoned | change it i fyou need more space for longer nicks |
| 23:21.27 | Christoph_vW | yes |
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| 23:21.30 | Gathond | Christoph_vW: remove the entries in /etc/apt/sources.list that mentiones the CDrom and run apt-get update |
| 23:21.31 | xand | stoned: -9 spaces? |
| 23:21.36 | Christoph_vW | ok |
| 23:21.42 | stoned | neg. 9 |
| 23:21.44 | stoned | yes |
| 23:21.44 | stoned | so it goes to the right |
| 23:21.45 | kself | stoned: How do I reload a theme? |
| 23:21.55 | kself | stoned: ...andor change nick colors. |
| 23:22.02 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.15 | stoned | kself: apt-get install irssi-scripts |
| 23:22.17 | jelly-home | mrynit: somewhere under .wine/ you'll find the fake c: drive and that directory |
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| 23:22.27 | stoned | then inside irssi /script load nickcolor.pl |
| 23:22.35 | Christoph_vW | works :) |
| 23:22.37 | mrynit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:22.43 | stoned | you will need my modified version of nickcolor.pl to use with right aligned nicknames |
| 23:22.47 | jelly-home | mrynit: no, ~/.wine/ |
| 23:22.52 | stoned | there is a /format string inside the perl script |
| 23:22.57 | jelly-home | mrynit: in your $HOME |
| 23:23.01 | mrynit | k |
| 23:23.13 | stoned | that format string negates right align on colored nicks |
| 23:23.25 | kself | stoned: What sets colors? |
| 23:23.30 | Christoph_vW | cool - even buildbot is in the repo :) |
| 23:23.32 | stoned | just told you |
| 23:23.37 | stoned | nickcolor.pl |
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| 23:23.52 | Boter | so... anybody familiar with my problem? |
| 23:23.59 | stoned | wait |
| 23:24.03 | stoned | kself is karsten |
| 23:24.05 | stoned | ? |
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| 23:24.14 | stoned | ahh |
| 23:24.18 | kself | stoned: Right. |
| 23:24.31 | kself | stoned: Two boxes, two irssi sessions. kself is new, karsten is old. |
| 23:24.36 | stoned | word |
| 23:24.38 | karsten | kself: Liar! |
| 23:24.40 | kself | ;-) |
| 23:24.41 | stoned | lol |
| 23:24.57 | stoned | here I take screen of my irssi to show you |
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| 23:25.33 | kself | bbias |
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| 23:26.27 | mrynit | im not finding what i installed under |
| 23:26.27 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/ss/irssi.karsten.jpg |
| 23:26.28 | mrynit | im not finding what i installed under ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files# |
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| 23:28.10 | stoned | I gotta go buy a pack of blunts |
| 23:28.13 | stoned | be back in a while |
| 23:28.16 | TheZanke_ | uh oh |
| 23:28.19 | TheZanke_ | Cannot load /usr/local/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/local/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: undefined symbol: _efree |
| 23:28.42 | Boter | i want to start apache2 but i get some weird error |
| 23:28.46 | Boter | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 23:28.52 | Boter | php is installed |
| 23:29.07 | jelly-home | Boter: sounds like the module isn't enabled |
| 23:29.30 | TheZanke_ | Boter did u only do ./configure? |
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| 23:29.43 | karsten | So, I'm messing with my irssi settings, fire up irssi, all of a sudden I get this weird graphics effect on my screen.... |
| 23:29.58 | TheZanke_ | Boter, i had to do "./configure --with-apxs2=/usr/local/apache2/bin/apxs --with-mysql" |
| 23:30.01 | karsten | Realize I'd fired up elecricsheep a few minutes ago and it had finally loaded. |
| 23:30.03 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: wtf would one need ./configure for php? |
| 23:30.37 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, in the case of building it... |
| 23:30.41 | robin_sz | TheZanke_, eh? |
| 23:30.44 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: er, why would one do that? |
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| 23:30.58 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, for the fun of it? |
| 23:31.03 | TheZanke_ | jello, idk |
| 23:31.06 | TheZanke_ | oops |
| 23:31.09 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, idk |
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| 23:31.20 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: definitely not. Maybe if I needed some extra extensions |
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| 23:31.56 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, how would you go about it? i did apache2 from source also since the debian package wasnt built well |
| 23:32.01 | Christoph_vW | what do I need for a software raid? |
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| 23:32.06 | Christoph_vW | dmraid or raidtools? |
| 23:32.07 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: even then, I think I'd just use the debian source and add some arguments for ./configure in debian/rules |
| 23:32.21 | rokfit | anyone know where to get libmp3lame for amd64? |
| 23:32.25 | robin_sz | TheZanke_, the apache2 package "wasn;t built well" ? are you SURE about that? |
| 23:32.33 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: I'd use the one from Debian ;-) |
| 23:32.47 | TheZanke_ | robin_sz, not really, i was told that let me find it hold on... |
| 23:32.49 | Gokee2 | Is there anything for windows scanner drivers in linux? Like ndiswrapper is to wlan drivers. |
| 23:32.58 | Boter | TheZanke_ ,... i installed with apt-get |
| 23:33.00 | Wyzard | Christoph_vW: for Linux software raid, use mdadm |
| 23:33.02 | mrynit | jelly-home: it installed fine but i can find it in ~/.wine/ |
| 23:33.14 | Wyzard | Chris20: For "hardware" fakeraid, use dmraid |
| 23:33.30 | TheZanke_ | Does xchat make logs? |
| 23:33.35 | robin_sz | no |
| 23:33.37 | jelly-home | mrynit: I have ~/.wine/fake_windows/ |
| 23:34.02 | xerophyte | could somebody tell me why my server load is high http://www.pastebin.ca/349661 ? |
| 23:34.03 | mrynit | o i check drive_c/program files |
| 23:34.08 | karsten | TheZanke_: No. Topiaries. |
| 23:34.18 | Boter | so... any other idea what to check? |
| 23:34.24 | TheZanke_ | darn... well then i cant show you but wehn i was asking about apache2.conf and stuff and people otld me there was a bug some guy messaged me and said that debian didnt package it well and to ask in #apache so i did |
| 23:34.24 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: you can enable logging in Preferences |
| 23:34.42 | TheZanke_ | wow |
| 23:34.49 | robin_sz | TheZanke_, well, lets put it this way ... a few hundred thousand people are using the standard apache2 .. and you seem to think its "not built well" ... but can;t quite remember what was wrong with it ... I think I'll stick with "its perfectly fine" until told otherwise |
| 23:34.51 | TheZanke_ | told* |
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| 23:35.25 | TheZanke_ | robin_sz, i didnt come to that decisison on my own, he was the only one who responded to me.. |
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| 23:35.31 | karsten | xerophyte: Well, you've got three zombies and a load of 4.65. I'm guessing those zombies are in IO/Wait states. They'll pig some CPU. Note that you're ~40% idle, which suggests same. |
| 23:35.33 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: there are also public logs of this channel available on the web |
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| 23:35.37 | robin_sz | well, I have at least a dozen servers running the standard package just fine ... |
| 23:35.45 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, it was in a pb |
| 23:35.48 | karsten | xerophyte: Note the difference between load average and CPU utilization. They're *not* the same. |
| 23:35.50 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, pm* |
| 23:35.58 | karsten | !load average |
| 23:35.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, load average is the number of processes marked "runnable" (waiting for CPU), averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. it's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for resources, eg: io, network socket responses. |
| 23:35.59 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: those are not logged |
| 23:36.37 | robin_sz | unless they are particularly embarrassing anyway |
| 23:36.45 | Wyzard | If a process is "waiting for resources, eg: io, network socket responses" then it isn't runnable and shouldn't count toward load average... |
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| 23:36.53 | xerophyte | karsten, hmmm i thought the same let me kill that zoopies and see if that helps |
| 23:36.58 | Boter | Syntax error on line 22 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/vhcs2.conf: |
| 23:36.58 | Boter | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 23:36.59 | Boter | hmm |
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| 23:37.59 | TheZanke_ | well aparently neither php nor httpd(apache2) can me "make uninstall(ed)" |
| 23:38.10 | TheZanke_ | so i am stuck with that choice |
| 23:38.10 | robin_sz | Boter: at a guess, the command "php_flag" is mis-spelt, alternatively it might be defined by a module not included int he current server configuration |
| 23:38.27 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I've seen processes hung in a way so that each held 1.00 of load avg even if it didn't do anything |
| 23:38.36 | Boter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.45 | Boter | this looks sintactical right? |
| 23:38.51 | karsten | !zombies |
| 23:38.51 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 23:38.53 | robin_sz | TheZanke_, are you building these from the debian source packages or the raw apache and php packages? |
| 23:39.02 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: if you haven't messed with apache for source much, it's all installed in /usr/local/apache |
| 23:39.10 | karsten | xerophyte: you can't kill zombies, they're already dead. |
| 23:39.24 | stoned | you can |
| 23:39.28 | karsten | Hrm. Is there an interior design template for dia? |
| 23:39.31 | stoned | must kill parent pid |
| 23:39.37 | jelly-home | robin_sz: scroll up a bit ... /usr/local says "installed from source" to me |
| 23:39.37 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, i followed this sexactly |
| 23:39.41 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.unix.apache2.php |
| 23:39.45 | stoned | !ppid |
| 23:39.45 | dpkg | from memory, ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 23:39.51 | karsten | stoned: Right. Which isn't killing the zombie. |
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| 23:39.52 | xerophyte | karsten, i mean i have killed the parent process |
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| 23:39.59 | karsten | xerophyte: Right, OK. |
| 23:40.00 | abrotman | you can't kill the zombie |
| 23:40.03 | robin_sz | jelly-home, there is more than one meaning to "source" in my experience |
| 23:40.08 | stoned | karsten: technically... shaddup |
| 23:40.10 | stoned | :( |
| 23:40.14 | Wyzard | xerophyte: Zombies don't contribute toward CPU usage or load average |
| 23:40.15 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:40.22 | jelly-home | robin_sz: no Debian sources use /usr/local |
| 23:40.31 | robin_sz | jelly-home, true |
| 23:40.48 | robin_sz | jelly-home, so basically, hes fandangoed all over the systme then/ |
| 23:40.52 | robin_sz | ? |
| 23:41.07 | xerophyte | Wyzard, hmmm http://www.pastebin.ca/349665 looks like that didn't help much load still high |
| 23:41.16 | jelly-home | robin_sz: no, it's probably only in /usr/local/apache2 |
| 23:41.18 | xerophyte | karsten, load is still high http://www.pastebin.ca/349665 |
| 23:41.28 | xingu | jelly-home, Wyzard: a process is still booked as being runnable while it's waiting for a syscall to return; if the syscall will never return, the process is effectively waiting for godot, and loadav will reflect the backlog. |
| 23:41.31 | jelly-home | robin_sz: s/only/all/ |
| 23:41.34 | Wyzard | xerophyte: Like I said, zombies have nothing to do with load average |
| 23:41.37 | karsten | xerophyte: Give it a few. |
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| 23:41.41 | robin_sz | jelly-home, noted |
| 23:41.44 | Wyzard | xingu: aha :-) |
| 23:41.52 | jelly-home | xingu: thanks for the explanation |
| 23:41.54 | xerophyte | Wyzard, any idea why is high :( |
| 23:41.55 | robin_sz | jelly-home, until he does a make install anyway |
| 23:42.26 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home and robin_sz, wow didnt even notice u were talking about me till i got bored of waiting for red text and started reading |
| 23:42.27 | Wyzard | xerophyte: You have a lot of httpd there... is this a busy server? |
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| 23:42.29 | xerophyte | Wyzard, the cpu look okay memory look okay but the load is high :( |
| 23:42.30 | jelly-home | robin_sz: that IS the result of make install. It doesn't barf all over the system, apache is quite clean. |
| 23:42.43 | robin_sz | jelly-home, fair enough |
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| 23:42.51 | xerophyte | Wyzard, yes considerably |
| 23:43.02 | robin_sz | jelly-home, my apache build from years ago didnt install that clenaly, but mayeb it got better |
| 23:43.08 | multi_io | dpkg's explanation of load-average seems wrong indeed w.r.t. waiting for I/O |
| 23:43.10 | xerophyte | Wyzard, but that should not effect much |
| 23:43.14 | comfrey | anyone know how to print big ascii art text in the console? |
| 23:43.19 | Boter | php_admin_value open_basedir "/var/www/vhcs2/gui/tools/filemanager/:/tmp/:/usr/share/php/" |
| 23:43.25 | Boter | this looks right? |
| 23:43.28 | robin_sz | comfrey, aa? |
| 23:43.30 | karsten | xerophyte: Looks like you've got a bunch of processes actually getting CPU: mysqld, httpd. |
| 23:43.31 | abrotman | ask the vhds people |
| 23:43.34 | abrotman | vhcs |
| 23:43.35 | karsten | xerophyte: Busy webserver? |
| 23:43.44 | Boter | abrotman noone can be reached |
| 23:43.45 | Wyzard | xerophyte: then that load is to be expected... it just means the server is handling 3 or 4 requests simultaneously at any given moment |
| 23:43.52 | abrotman | Boter: and it's not in debian |
| 23:43.56 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, how about perl... what do i delete for that? |
| 23:43.58 | karsten | xerophyte: Look at your iostat and vmstat ouptut as well: iostat 4; vmstat 4; (run in seperate terminals). |
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| 23:44.02 | multi_io | comfrey: banner |
| 23:44.03 | xingu | jelly-home, Wyzard: this quirk can result in actual work being performed too - rescheduling a process is not zero cost; witness the re-engineering of linux's scheduler a little while back to at least reduce the scan for runnable processes back to being o(n) |
| 23:44.03 | jelly-home | robin_sz: dunno, I've been building it since early 1.3 and it was always everything-in-/usr/local/apache |
| 23:44.07 | karsten | xerophyte: Lots of paging / high IOwait is bad. |
| 23:44.14 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: what about perl? |
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| 23:44.24 | karsten | xerophyte: Might also be some database tuning in your future. |
| 23:44.27 | xerophyte | oh okay Server uptime: 2 hours 24 minutes 31 seconds Total accesses: 196024 - Total Traffic: 1.0 GB |
| 23:44.28 | Sivik | how do i turn off a firewall from konsole/cli |
| 23:44.35 | abrotman | depends on the firewall |
| 23:44.35 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: don't tell you installed perl from source too? :-) |
| 23:44.40 | karsten | xerophyte: concurrent access? |
| 23:44.48 | Sivik | abrotman, i need to figure out if i have any on, to begin with |
| 23:44.56 | xerophyte | karsten, thats in 2hour + stats |
| 23:45.03 | Sivik | im trying to transfer something over tftp and it keeps blocking it for some reason |
| 23:45.11 | xingu | jelly-home, Wyzard: also, some other things like cpufreq trigger based on the relative level of idle scheduling quanta; if there's always a runnable process your cpu will tend to flog itself to bits and never enter a sleep state or downscale voltage |
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| 23:45.36 | karsten | xerophyte: OK. That's ~27 hits/second |
| 23:45.54 | karim_ | hi |
| 23:45.54 | karsten | xerophyte: ... I'd say pretty good for a single box. |
| 23:45.54 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, ok i wont |
| 23:45.54 | xingu | jelly-home, Wyzard: it won't appreciably impact performance or latency; but it will make your cpu hot and your fans spin. |
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| 23:45.54 | karim_ | does anyone knows how to regenerate the makefile.am ? |
| 23:45.57 | Sivik | what is the best way to determine if there are any firewalls being ran on a system? |
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| 23:46.05 | Wyzard | Sivik: iptables -L |
| 23:46.08 | xand | Sivik: iptables -L ? |
| 23:46.09 | xerophyte | karsten, pretty good means ?? |
| 23:46.10 | karsten | Sivik: iptables -L. |
| 23:46.13 | rhalff | where is the bot ? dpkg is the bot or not ? |
| 23:46.15 | karsten | Sivik: From outside: portscan it. |
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| 23:46.28 | stoned | !hi |
| 23:46.28 | dpkg | hello, stoned |
| 23:46.30 | karsten | xerophyte: You're getting pretty good performance for a single box running both webserver and database locally. |
| 23:46.32 | Sivik | i'm not outside |
| 23:46.35 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, lol should I just like reinstall my system? |
| 23:46.43 | rhalff | ! apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 23:46.51 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: if you did, I'd suggest a reinstall. Perl is an important piece of Debian |
| 23:46.56 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, oh crap i menat php not perl |
| 23:46.59 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, sorry |
| 23:47.03 | Guerin | rhalff: gopogle myrddin apache ssl howto |
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| 23:47.10 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, meant* |
| 23:47.15 | xerophyte | karsten, hmmm |
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| 23:47.25 | karsten | xerophyte: You're running ~2.4m hits/day at that rate. Not bad. |
| 23:47.30 | karsten | xerophyte: What's the site? |
| 23:47.34 | rhalff | guerin, ok thanks |
| 23:47.56 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, i did install php from source... but no, not perl... im not THAT bad |
| 23:48.06 | Sivik | karsten, there isn't much in iptables -L |
| 23:48.22 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, could you imagine... people think i am good with computers... lol |
| 23:48.25 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: ah. Well, as far as I remember from building apache and php, everything you installed is contained in /usr/local, which means you can still remove it and use the packaged versions |
| 23:48.33 | Wyzard | xerophyte: mysqld is taking up 98% of the CPU, so if you want to optimize, that's where to focus |
| 23:48.36 | xerophyte | karsten, www.painfulpleasures.com its not porn site ;) |
| 23:48.38 | karsten | Sivik: It's not how much that's there, it's what's there, which really matters. |
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| 23:48.54 | Sivik | karsten, let me pm it to you |
| 23:48.59 | Wyzard | xerophyte: See if there are queries that would benefit from adding indexes |
| 23:49.00 | karsten | xerophyte: Running that off one system? |
| 23:49.00 | comfrey | thanks multi_io, thats it |
| 23:49.02 | karsten | Sivik: Don't. |
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| 23:49.05 | karsten | !tell Sivik about paste |
| 23:49.15 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, though attempting to bridge the windows-linux intelligence gap will make anyone look like a noob |
| 23:49.18 | k-man | why would debian not be updating my grub menu.lst file when i install a new kernel? |
| 23:49.26 | karsten | Sivik: If you're accepting everything, you're not blocking anything. |
| 23:49.30 | karsten | Sivik: Don't pm me |
| 23:49.31 | xerophyte | karsten, actually 5 server it has many part of it |
| 23:49.33 | abrotman | k-man: does /etc/lilo.conf exist ? |
| 23:49.36 | Guerin | k-man: if you have lilo installed, I think it b0rks |
| 23:49.41 | xerophyte | karsten, this server has one part of it |
| 23:49.45 | k-man | oh, ill check |
| 23:49.59 | k-man | yes, lots of lilo stuff |
| 23:50.00 | Sivik | karsten, thats what it says |
| 23:50.08 | karsten | Sivik: Ignored. |
| 23:50.09 | abrotman | k-man: that's probably why |
| 23:50.15 | k-man | should i just move all that lilo stuff? |
| 23:50.22 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: the thing to remember with Debian and other non-commercial distros (Gentoo, for example), is that they all bring lots of free software with them, so there's little reason to use upstream sources directly |
| 23:50.28 | robin_sz | apt-get remove lilo maybe |
| 23:50.29 | Wyzard | Sivik: Don't PM people, just ask the channel |
| 23:50.32 | marek | if i want to get a nonfree package like kermit, do i just add 'contrib non-free' to the end of the deb and deb-src lines in the sources.list or do i copy those 2 lines leaving the originals as they are, and add it to the end of the new ones |
| 23:50.32 | Sivik | karsten, why can't i pm you, thats the error, and that computer isn't connected to the internet, because i only have a single router, and its the one that i'm trying to fix |
| 23:50.40 | Sivik | Wyzard, i don't want to type that much crap in the channel |
| 23:50.41 | k-man | thanks |
| 23:50.45 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:50.45 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:50.46 | Wyzard | Sivik: Then use pastebin |
| 23:51.04 | Wyzard | Sivik: and put the pastebin URL in the channel |
| 23:51.08 | karsten | Sivik: Because it's fucking annoying and I told you three times not to. |
| 23:51.31 | karsten | !paste |
| 23:51.31 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:51.31 | Sivik | Wyzard, why can't i pm you, thats the error, and that computer isn't connected to the internet, because i only have a single router, and its the one that i'm trying to fix |
| 23:51.32 | Sivik | i know not to paste in the channel |
| 23:51.32 | robin_sz | paste in the paste bot then retardo |
| 23:51.33 | karsten | !msg |
| 23:51.33 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, how often are the packages for etch updated on apt? cause i dont want a bunch of ood programs though... thats another reason why i did it |
| 23:51.33 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 23:51.46 | karsten | xerophyte: http://www.amazon.com/Scalable-Internet-Architectures-Developers-Library/dp/067232699X |
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| 23:51.51 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: you're running etch? |
| 23:51.52 | karsten | xerophyte: ... drop a dime on that. Good book. |
| 23:51.57 | Wyzard | Sivik: because this isn't a paid support line where you get a personal support agent who's responsible for solving your entire problem |
| 23:52.12 | xerophyte | karsten, thx i will order it |
| 23:52.19 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: etch already has apache 2.2 and php5... I wonder what was wrong with them |
| 23:52.19 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, aye |
| 23:52.28 | karsten | xerophyte: Looks to me like you want to look into 1) expanding your infrastructure and 2) (re)designing it for enhanced scalability |
| 23:52.34 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, me, i am sure |
| 23:52.34 | Wyzard | Sivik: Ask the channel rather than picking a single person and expecting that person to be your personal support agent |
| 23:52.54 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: yeah, but we can't fix that bug easily ;-) |
| 23:53.14 | Sivik | Wyzard, ok |
| 23:53.15 | robin_sz | xerophyte, the first step can be as simple as buffering the servers with some squid proxies |
| 23:53.17 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: so let's focus on the software ;-) |
| 23:53.30 | Sivik | Wyzard, now i'm waiting on pastebin to give me the url after i paste the crap to it |
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| 23:53.48 | xerophyte | robin_sz, how would that helps ?? |
| 23:53.57 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, haha |
| 23:54.06 | multi_io | xerophyte: I think that generally, if you have just one process that runs with much near 100% CPU utilization, and the other ones pretty low, and you still have a load average of 4.x as in your case, that means that there are processes in uninterruptible sleep |
| 23:54.08 | xerophyte | robin_sz, does squid work will with dynamic content its a shopping cart |
| 23:54.24 | robin_sz | xerophyte, the squid proxies can be troubled for all the static shit, while the back end serves up the dynamic stuff |
| 23:54.48 | Sivik | my output of iptables -L is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5144/ |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | are you on ubuntu ? |
| 23:55.01 | robin_sz | xerophyte, 2nd stage is to use a separate backend db server to offload the database CPU cycles to another box |
| 23:55.07 | Sivik | no, but that pastebin is faster |
| 23:55.21 | Wyzard | Sivik: Looks like you're not running a firewall |
| 23:55.32 | Sivik | Wyzard, then why am i getting a block when i try to tftp |
| 23:56.04 | Wyzard | Sivik: Maybe your ISP is blocking things |
| 23:56.10 | robin_sz | xerophyte, the third stage is then to use multiple dynamic content boxes, and let the squid proxies route the users to an array of backend boxes on a round robin or similar basis ... |
| 23:56.16 | xerophyte | multi_io, that there are processes in uninterruptible sleep ?? |
| 23:56.18 | xingu | somewhere in there is analysing the actual query plan too, there's no good reason for having your db chew that much user time |
| 23:56.19 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, so.... synaptic? |
| 23:56.31 | Sivik | Wyzard, i'm not currently have to router, nor the computer that i'm connected to the router with connected to the outside world |
| 23:56.43 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: yup. first stop your locally built apache. |
| 23:56.49 | abrotman | your ISP can still block it |
| 23:57.23 | Wyzard | Sivik: That sentence does not make any sense grammatically |
| 23:57.23 | robin_sz | xingu, sure .. and actually, the real answer is rewrite it for mod_perl ... Ive seen speedups of 50 to 100 times or more from cgi to mod_perl ... |
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| 23:57.25 | Sivik | Wyzard: ok, both the router and the computer i'm connected to the router with are not connected to the outside world |
| 23:57.41 | xingu | persistence is a beautiful thing |
| 23:57.46 | Wyzard | Sivik: so this is for communication entirely on your internal LAN, not out to the Internet? |
| 23:57.50 | robin_sz | xingu, allthough if its a shopping cart .. its probably something like oscommerce ... |
| 23:57.59 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: then install apache2, libapache2-mod-php5 and php5-mysql |
| 23:58.07 | robin_sz | xerophyte, this isnt oscommerce shopping thing is it by any chance? |
| 23:58.14 | Sivik | Wyzard, yes, between my laptop and the linksys router that i'm trying to tftp some firmware to, according to the howto i'm follwing |
| 23:58.27 | Wyzard | Sivik: OpenWRT? :-) |
| 23:58.32 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, is it bad that "find / -name "*apache2*" yeilded "/etc/default/apache2, /etc/php5/apache2, and /etc/apache2" along with a bunch of .deb(s) |
| 23:58.58 | Sivik | Wyzard, dd-wrt |
| 23:58.59 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: sounds like remnants of previous apache2 from package |
| 23:59.10 | Wyzard | Sivik: Close enough... and the router has its default firmware now? |
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| 23:59.29 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: it's normal, if you just "removed" it and not "purged" it |
| 23:59.29 | xingu | I'd be less worried about the 98% and more worried about the amount of user time and also about the 5% iowait. |
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| 23:59.35 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, should i do anythng or will they just be overwritten? |
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