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| 00:00.20 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: to be sure, you can purge apache2-common and php5-common |
| 00:00.27 | Sivik | Wyzard: well, it did until i started this whole howto, i'm down to the last step and thats the one that is getting blocked |
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| 00:00.39 | xerophyte | robin_sz, yes |
| 00:00.40 | Wyzard | Sivik: TFTP firmware upload only works if the router has the "boot_wait" option enabled, and it's not enabled by the default firmware |
| 00:00.43 | Caelum | what was the equivalent of bitstream vera with unicode support? |
| 00:00.43 | Sivik | wireshark outputs something close to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5145/, when i try to tftp the file to the router |
| 00:00.51 | xerophyte | robin_sz, its not oscommerce |
| 00:00.54 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, hoe do i do that? |
| 00:00.59 | Sivik | Wyzard, so i have to reload the default firmware and turn that on before i can do this? |
| 00:01.09 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, man, sorry for the profanity... how* |
| 00:01.23 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: dunno about synaptic, I do it with "aptitude purge <packages>" |
| 00:01.24 | peasse | hi! i want to read .wmv video files with vlc, but i can only have the sound, not the image. I've w32codecs installed. I'm on debian etch. Thank you!! |
| 00:01.26 | Christoph_vW | when I create the raid - do I have to edit the udev/links.conf? |
| 00:01.33 | Sivik | Wyzard, if so, that means i get to figure out how to get into the router to change the firmware again to get it to where it was |
| 00:01.34 | Wyzard | Sivik: afaik there's no way to turn it on with the default firmware... you have to use some other method for the initial reflash, such as the default firmware's built-in update tool in the web UI |
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| 00:01.58 | Sivik | then how do i get back into the web UI |
| 00:02.01 | Wyzard | Sivik: Once you're running dd-wrt, you can enable boot_wait so that future upgrades are simpler |
| 00:02.09 | xerophyte | my server time is in CST how can i change to EST? |
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| 00:02.13 | Illiyah | dd-wrt is great for everything |
| 00:02.16 | Sivik | Wyzard, thats what i'm trying to get to, but i guess i screwed up |
| 00:02.18 | robin_sz | xerophyte, the not-quite-oscommerce plugin for Joomla? |
| 00:02.34 | xerophyte | robin_sz, its custom version of x-cart |
| 00:02.40 | Wyzard | Sivik: Answer my question from a few minutes ago: is the router *right now* running the default firmware? |
| 00:02.53 | peasse | hi! i want to read .wmv video files with vlc, but i can only manage to have the sound, not the image. I've w32codecs installed. I'm on debian etch. Thank you!! |
| 00:02.54 | xerophyte | robin_sz, it costed 25K+ |
| 00:03.28 | Supaplex | !tell peasse -about repeat |
| 00:03.55 | peasse | missed Supaplex! |
| 00:04.06 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, dont i need to install mysql too? |
| 00:04.19 | Sivik | Wyzard, i'm following http://www.bitsum.com/openwiking/owbase/ow.asp?WRT54G5_CFE, i have done the 1st 8 steps and step 9 is where i have this problem about the tftp being block |
| 00:04.25 | jelly-home | Caelum: maybe ttf-dejavu |
| 00:05.48 | Caelum | jelly-home: thank you! |
| 00:05.54 | Justin | Sivik: do you keep saying "block" because the thing you pasted said "Block" ? |
| 00:05.58 | Wyzard | Sivik: OK, looks like steps 7 and 8 are intended to enable boot_wait, among other things |
| 00:06.00 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: php5-mysql has all the support for mysql in php. You haven't told anything about a need for a mysql server |
| 00:06.17 | Sivik | i also have no way to get back to the web ui in order to revert back the old firmware, well, i did those, and its still doing this |
| 00:06.27 | Wyzard | Sivik: Ask about this in a dd-wrt channel... it's neither a Debian problem nor a firewall problem, and I don't have experience with dd-wrt's install procedure |
| 00:06.34 | Sivik | Wyzard, they won't answer me |
| 00:06.39 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, i like mysql... when im not killing an OS i am acutally decent with it |
| 00:06.40 | jelly-home | Caelum: DejaVu is an unofficial update with some characters added |
| 00:06.53 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, decent enough to be a webdesigner |
| 00:07.18 | Wyzard | Sivik: You don't need to go back to the default firmware... I was just trying to determine whether you were still using the default firmware |
| 00:07.29 | Wyzard | Sivik: Maybe nobody is around in the other channel; wait awhile |
| 00:07.33 | Wyzard | Sivik: or ask on their mailing list |
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| 00:07.48 | Sivik | Justin: yes, i got a red and black line in wireshark and it says Data Packet, Block: 1 (last) |
| 00:07.56 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: I suppose you might want mysql-server and mysql-client too then |
| 00:08.03 | Sivik | Wyzard, i really don't want to wait on the mailing list, thats slow, and i have been sitting in that channel all afternoon |
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| 00:08.36 | Wyzard | Sivik: Well, I can't wave a wand and make the dd-wrt channel responsive, sorry |
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| 00:08.54 | Sivik | Wyzard, i understand that |
| 00:09.10 | Justin | Sivik: http://www.answers.com/block&r=67 |
| 00:09.13 | robin_sz | xerophyte, 25K+ .. coo. hope its worth it ... x-cart has many many exploits known ... seems to have rather poor coding standards, hope thye keep yours patched |
| 00:09.16 | Justin | Sivik: #7 not #13 |
| 00:09.42 | Wyzard | Sivik: Here in Debian we've determined that the problem isn't a firewall and, it seems to be an issue with the router, not the Debian PC you're uploading the firmware from |
| 00:09.46 | Wyzard | Sivik: Past that, we dont' know |
| 00:09.52 | Sivik | Wyzard, yes, i know |
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| 00:11.08 | Wyzard | Sivik: btw, the FAQ farther down on that web page has an entry for "I can't seem to contact the router after I apply vxworks_killer, so can't TFTP the DD-WRT firmware" |
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| 00:11.18 | rutski | How do I update ld.so's search path? |
| 00:11.39 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, http://paste.lisp.org/display/36685 care to verify? |
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| 00:12.13 | Sivik | Wyzard, i'm apparently missing that, can't seem to find it, even when i do a search |
| 00:12.17 | rapid_ | kde loads by default on boot? where can i stop this |
| 00:12.42 | Sivik | Wyzard, i already have a static ip entered into the router, i can ping it |
| 00:12.57 | TheZanke_ | rapid_, what are you wanting to load? |
| 00:12.58 | Sivik | Wyzard, i can still ping the router cause i entered a static ip on the computer |
| 00:13.11 | rapid_ | just go to console |
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| 00:13.32 | Wyzard | Sivik: If you can ping the router it's too late to do TFTP... you need to power-cycle it again |
| 00:13.59 | Sivik | Wyzard, i will try that again, how long do i need to leave it unplugged before plugging it back in |
| 00:14.03 | TheZanke_ | rapid_, do you not want to have kde or do you just want to be in consol for now... cause i know you can get in consol with the right choice at grub |
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| 00:14.11 | Wyzard | Sivik: boot_wait is a delay of several seconds during router startup where the low-level ROM will wait for TFTP connections before booting the firmware |
| 00:14.32 | rapid_ | stop KDE loading on boot altogether |
| 00:14.34 | Sivik | Wyzard, so how quickly will i need to try to tftp into it for it to work? |
| 00:14.49 | Wyzard | Sivik: I'm assuming this dd-wrt install is using boot_wait and not actually running its own TFTP server in the firmware or something |
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| 00:14.57 | Sivik | i guess |
| 00:15.16 | Wyzard | Sivik: I use OpenWRT, and the install directions for that had me run the tftp client with a command-line option that would make it retry repeatedly, rapidly, until it succeeded |
| 00:15.20 | TheZanke_ | rapid_, either remove x or push ctrl+alt+f1... |
| 00:15.41 | rapid_ | I don't want to remove X, I don't want to switch to a console, I want to stop KDE loading |
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| 00:15.43 | Wyzard | Sivik: Run that, and then plug in the router, and when it gets to the boot_wait part it'll receive the connection from the tftp client that's already trying to connect |
| 00:15.58 | Wyzard | Sivik: I don't remember what that tftp option is, though, so you'll have to look it up in the manpage or something |
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| 00:16.44 | Sivik | ok, i will look into that Wyzard |
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| 00:17.18 | Wyzard | Sivik: It doesn't matter how long the router is unplugged, btw... even a second or so is enough to reset it |
| 00:17.23 | vint-cerft | hello |
| 00:17.29 | TheZanke_ | hi |
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| 00:18.03 | Ubuh-Huntuh | is it possible to boot from an external DVD drive connected through USB? |
| 00:18.15 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: On systems whose BIOS supports it, yes |
| 00:18.31 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ty |
| 00:18.51 | Sivik | Wyzard, i understand it doesn't matter how long its unplugged, i misunderstood, it matters how quickly i do it after the router is turned back on |
| 00:19.01 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, so this should all work together now? |
| 00:19.10 | Wyzard | Sivik: It has to be pretty quick... that's why you put the tftp client in retry mode |
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| 00:19.29 | Sivik | Wyzard, i'm trying to figure out how to put it in retry mood |
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| 00:19.39 | Sivik | Wyzard, i'm in the man for tftp and i don't see any option for retring |
| 00:19.48 | vint-cerft | howto can i update zones in my server tinydns if is dynamic ip in my domain ? |
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| 00:20.06 | h3sp4wn | Sivik: atftp --trace --option "timeout 1" --option "mode octet" --put --local-file blah.bin 192.168.10.1 (that is what I use for flashing stuff with atftp) |
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| 00:20.19 | Sivik | h3sp4wn, ok |
| 00:20.38 | Sivik | i will try that, but it may be the fact that i don't have enough space to do this, now i have to figure out how to go back to the orginal |
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| 00:21.10 | Wyzard | Sivik: http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Installing/TFTP?action=show&redirect=OpenWrtViaTftp |
| 00:21.15 | vint-cerft | i need to modify my date zone file in tinydns server , do you know? |
| 00:21.49 | Wyzard | Sivik: The tftp usage *should* be the same as that |
| 00:22.02 | Sivik | ok |
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| 00:22.12 | Sivik | now i get to figure out what my orginal firmware is supposed to be |
| 00:22.27 | Sivik | cause apparently 2 mb isn't enough space to do this |
| 00:22.36 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, one last q.... my origional q when i had the debian install.... how do i enable userbin when its not in this apache2.conf? |
| 00:23.32 | ma3x | I don't get this: why when my connection is idle, my ISP reduces my speed from 10 Mbps to 0,2 Mbps? |
| 00:23.48 | abrotman | bursted ? |
| 00:23.51 | TheZanke_ | how do i enable userbin when its not in this apache2.conf? |
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| 00:25.40 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: hmm, what's userbin? |
| 00:25.56 | braddcadd2000 | Hello everyone. My scanner is detected with "sane-find-scanner" but not with "scanimage -L" or "sudo xsane". I have Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) and an HP Officejet 5610 (all-in-one) scanner. The scanner is listed as supported and there are people who have it running on Linux. Thanks for any help. |
| 00:26.08 | Wyzard | braddcadd2000: #ubuntu |
| 00:26.19 | TheZanke_ | jello, /home/*/public_html = ~* |
| 00:26.29 | vint-cerft | djbdns support dynamic zone > update? |
| 00:26.32 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, , /home/*/public_html = ~* |
| 00:26.36 | xand | braddcadd2000: wrong channel |
| 00:26.38 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: ya, got it |
| 00:26.40 | TheZanke_ | jello, sorry i keep tabbing ya |
| 00:27.00 | jelly-home | jello must be going crazy |
| 00:27.03 | jelly-home | or not |
| 00:27.08 | TheZanke_ | haha |
| 00:27.23 | karmatronic | how come apt wants to remove postfix when installing ldap ? |
| 00:27.37 | abrotman | because it doesn't like it! |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | errors are useful :) |
| 00:27.50 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, any ideas how to get that working? |
| 00:28.07 | karmatronic | abrotman, debian doesnt like ldap...that s weird |
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| 00:28.20 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: a2enmod userdir |
| 00:28.33 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, O.o |
| 00:28.38 | Wyzard | karmatronic: Probably due to a conflict... if you were using aptitude, you'd be able to see much more directly what it is :-) |
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| 00:29.13 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: a2enmod links the module and it's piece of apache conf file to the right place |
| 00:29.43 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: see /etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | karmatronic: paste the damn error |
| 00:29.55 | vint-cerft | how many people use djbdns in servers? |
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| 00:30.24 | Supaplex | !tell vint-cerft -about popcon |
| 00:30.35 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, where do i get a2enmod |
| 00:30.40 | jelly-home | vint-cerft: counting the number of end users, or counting the number of installations? ;-) |
| 00:30.42 | karmatronic | abrotman, i m updating postfix as a fix |
| 00:30.58 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: It's part of the apache2 package |
| 00:31.07 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: it's in apache2 package or one of its dependencies |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | karmatronic: OUTPUT! |
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| 00:31.34 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard & jelly-home, not seeing it... apache2-utils or something maybe? |
| 00:31.50 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard & jelly-home, actually i have those too |
| 00:31.57 | Supaplex | TheZanke_: apt-file knows |
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| 00:32.12 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: /usr/sbin/a2enmod is in the "apache2.2-common" package |
| 00:32.24 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: do you have /usr/sbin in path? |
| 00:32.30 | Supaplex | TheZanke_: ls -l /usr/sbin/a2* |
| 00:32.34 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: as root, you should |
| 00:32.37 | crazy_penguin | Good night all! |
| 00:32.47 | Ankman | night crazy_penguin |
| 00:32.50 | karmatronic | abrotman, i m telling you it s solved by updating postfix as well |
| 00:32.54 | vint-cerft | thanks Supaplex |
| 00:32.56 | k-man | is an AMD Athlon 800Mhz cpu considered K7? |
| 00:33.08 | TheZanke_ | got it |
| 00:33.08 | Supaplex | we imply root access when you admin services that require root :) |
| 00:33.08 | Wyzard | k-man: Yes, Athlon is K7 |
| 00:33.14 | k-man | ie, will a k7 compiled kernel work on it? |
| 00:33.19 | Wyzard | yes |
| 00:33.25 | Sivik | Wyzard, even if i do that repeated times, it doesn't ever send any large packegs |
| 00:33.30 | Sivik | packets* |
| 00:33.36 | Sivik | block=1, 0 bytes |
| 00:33.41 | k-man | Wyzard, ah... hmm.. well, i just installed linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7 and it hangs at boot time |
| 00:33.54 | Wyzard | Sivik: In that case I don't know |
| 00:33.55 | Sivik | Wyzard, nvm, i figured out my problem |
| 00:34.01 | k-man | is there some kernel paramaters i can give at boot time to give more debugging info? |
| 00:34.06 | jelly-home | k-man: it _should_ work. try -686 if it doesn't |
| 00:34.14 | k-man | jelly-home, ok |
| 00:34.14 | abrotman | karmatronic: oh ok |
| 00:34.31 | karmatronic | abrotman, thanks anyway |
| 00:34.39 | abrotman | karmatronic: have a great day! |
| 00:34.42 | k-man | Wyzard, hmmm... |
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| 00:34.51 | Wyzard | k-man: Does it show any messages before it hangs? |
| 00:34.58 | karmatronic | abrotman, "you" too |
| 00:35.07 | TheZanke_ | yay! thank you jelly-home, Wyzard, Supaplex, robin_sz |
| 00:35.33 | k-man | Wyzard, yeah, normal loading messages, I forgot to write it down... but it hung like just after loading the kernel... maybe after initrd |
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| 00:35.51 | Wyzard | k-man: Could be an initrd problem |
| 00:36.01 | k-man | Wyzard, yeah, it could be... |
| 00:37.14 | k-man | Wyzard, any ideas how i could check that? |
| 00:37.53 | Wyzard | k-man: Not offhand... but try it again to see for sure whether it's before or after the initrd is loaded |
| 00:38.12 | k-man | Wyzard, yeah, good idea |
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| 00:38.36 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, i made a php page and went to it and it wanted me to dl it instead of viewing it |
| 00:38.51 | k-man | bbiab |
| 00:39.19 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: sounds like no handler is installed ... did you a2enmod php5 too? |
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| 00:39.31 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, no, but i will now |
| 00:39.39 | Supaplex | !php wants me to download still |
| 00:39.39 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, restart your browser. |
| 00:39.59 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, This module does not exist! |
| 00:40.11 | Wyzard | Maybe you're using php4 instead of php5 |
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| 00:40.42 | TheZanke_ | no i am using 5 i just installed it |
| 00:41.00 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: sorry, might be only "php", not sure |
| 00:41.11 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: libapache2-mod-php5? |
| 00:41.20 | Wyzard | jelly-home: nope, it's "php5" |
| 00:41.28 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, wehn going to http://localhost/~thezanke/1.php it shows the code when going to http://hostname/~thezanke/1.php it askes to dl |
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| 00:42.10 | TheZanke_ | aha! thats probably it |
| 00:42.16 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: interesting, what is your ServerName set to? |
| 00:42.32 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: If you installed libapache-mod-php5, that's the module for Apache 1.x |
| 00:42.46 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, hostname for my pc is binary |
| 00:43.13 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: hm, ignore that last bit, I don't see any "ServerName" in the apache2 config |
| 00:43.17 | Sivik | Wyzard, i think i figured out what most of my problem was, the .bin file was 0 bytes, not the 1.7 mb like it was supposed to be, so i redownloaded it, and it seemed to have taken it this time, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/5149/ |
| 00:43.33 | Wyzard | Sivik: cool |
| 00:43.37 | Sivik | Wyzard, do i know need to manuelly reboot the router for the new firmware to work? |
| 00:43.59 | Wyzard | Sivik: I believe the directions said to wait and it'll reboot automatically, but I closed the directions already, so I'm not sure |
| 00:44.23 | Sivik | it said wait, how do i tell if it rebooted or not, the power light is still flashing at me, and the port one light is still on constantly |
| 00:44.29 | Wyzard | Sivik: You definitely don't want to cut the power while it's in the process of flashing the firmware that you just uploaded, because that'll brick the router |
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| 00:44.39 | Wyzard | Sivik: Check the directions |
| 00:44.48 | Sivik | i understand that, it doesn't say how you will know when its finished |
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| 00:45.02 | Wyzard | Sivik: and try the router's IP in your browser |
| 00:45.29 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard & jelly-home, success! should i test mysql now or give you a 10min break? |
| 00:45.40 | Sivik | i'm going to wait a few more minutes before i do that |
| 00:45.44 | raf256_ | this sucks |
| 00:45.48 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: I'm going to bed anyway :-) |
| 00:45.57 | Wyzard | Sivik: No harm in trying it now... if it doesn't work, just hit reload every few minutes |
| 00:45.59 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, = |
| 00:46.11 | Sivik | ok |
| 00:46.12 | raf256_ | why debian is so uselless - I can't even install a working openoffice! wtf. |
| 00:46.31 | raf256_ | how to install a working openoffice? |
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| 00:46.31 | Wyzard | raf256_: I have OO installed without problems, FWIW |
| 00:46.36 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, wow forgot alt codes dont work on linux...actually i completely forgot i wasnt on windows for a second |
| 00:46.39 | Sivik | aptitude install openoffice.org |
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| 00:47.29 | raf256_ | oh my god Sivik it worked |
| 00:47.39 | Sivik | raf256_, good, now does it load? |
| 00:47.44 | raf256_ | Sivik: but apt-get install openoffice.org failed! wtf? |
| 00:47.54 | Sivik | apt-cache search openoffice |
| 00:48.04 | jelly-home | raf256_: your apt-foo is weak |
| 00:48.14 | Sivik | raf256_, aptitude search openoffice |
| 00:48.15 | blackelf | Sivik: let me see |
| 00:48.36 | Sivik | blackelf, let you see what? |
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| 00:48.40 | jelly-home | Sivik: blackelf == raf256_ |
| 00:48.43 | blackelf | Sivik: http://www.antyk-styl.eu/referencje.php/oferta.htm |
| 00:48.46 | blackelf | erm |
| 00:48.49 | blackelf | shit wrong link |
| 00:48.58 | blackelf | Sivik: openoffice.org: Depends: openoffice.org-core (= 2.0.4.dfsg.2-4) but 2.0.3-2 is to be installed |
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| 00:49.09 | blackelf | Sivik: ^ this is the results of apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 00:49.11 | Sivik | blackelf: sudo aptitude install openoffice.org-core |
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| 00:49.25 | jelly-home | blackelf: you have mixed repos in your sources.list |
| 00:49.32 | blackelf | since apt-xxx sucks cocks so much and is unusable, why not throw it out and leave only aptitude? |
| 00:49.39 | blackelf | jelly-home: yes |
| 00:49.45 | jelly-home | blackelf: DON'T |
| 00:49.54 | Sivik | blackelf, thats what i'm telling you to use, apt-get sucks, aptitude is better |
| 00:50.18 | blackelf | Sivik: but apt-get confuses other uses, why not throw it out |
| 00:50.23 | k-man | Wyzard, it hangs after initrd, just after savedefault which is a grub thing I think |
| 00:50.33 | Sivik | blackelf, then just don't use it |
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| 00:50.38 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, i got grubsplash working but is there a way to get like a loading screen during ebian boot |
| 00:50.45 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, debian* |
| 00:51.01 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: dunno, I'm not into splashy stuff |
| 00:51.01 | blackelf | Sivik: yes, ok |
| 00:51.08 | k-man | Wyzard, but i should also add that I have experienced similar hangs with a recent debian live cd and also a debian netinst cd. I believe it could be an issue with 2.6.18 and newer |
| 00:51.09 | blackelf | Sivik: but so meany others will use it |
| 00:51.23 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, do you know? |
| 00:51.25 | Sivik | blackelf, thats their perogative (spelling) |
| 00:51.43 | blackelf | what is the aptitude version for remove --clean, update and upgrade and dist-upgrade |
| 00:52.38 | jelly-home | blackelf: update, upgrade and dist-upgrade are pretty much the same |
| 00:53.14 | jelly-home | blackelf: remove too. purge is now a separate command. |
| 00:53.52 | blackelf | ok |
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| 00:54.10 | blackelf | is there an X frontend to aptitude, like synaptic is for apt? |
| 00:54.27 | Guerin | blackelf: no, since aptitude is ityself a frontend to libapt |
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| 00:54.32 | jelly-home | blackelf: aptitude has a curses ui |
| 00:54.44 | Wyzard | k-man: Seems unlikely, but I don't think I ever upgraded that Athlon box of mine to 2.6.18 before I retired it |
| 00:54.51 | blackelf | jelly-home: yeah, but is thre something more newbie friendly |
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| 00:55.02 | jelly-home | blackelf: you said it -- synaptic |
| 00:55.22 | blackelf | but synaptic seem to be using apt-get? and inherit it's problems |
| 00:55.23 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: I've never looked into setting up bootsplash screens because I prefer to see the boot messages |
| 00:55.27 | k-man | Wyzard, when i say its an issue with the kernel, i suspect its the debian package of 2.6.18.... but thats just a guess |
| 00:55.33 | GhostlyDeath | How to I change my LCD brigthness? |
| 00:55.43 | GhostlyDeath | There's brightness Up/Down keys but they only work in the BIOS and Windows |
| 00:55.55 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 00:55.57 | dpkg | [laptop] All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 00:56.04 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, Trying to convince my friends that linux is better and they are saying it looks bad, i told them it doesnt have to, and they said prove it |
| 00:56.26 | jelly-home | TheZanke_: eh, the looks and the works don't correlate much |
| 00:56.26 | Kevin` | TheZanke_ prove it doesn't have to "look good" |
| 00:56.30 | Kevin` | ? |
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| 00:56.36 | Kevin` | that's stupid |
| 00:56.39 | abrotman | TheZanke_: how many times a day do you boot your computeR ? |
| 00:57.26 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: I've heard of a package called "splashy" but never used it |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | blackelf: but we know you're weird |
| 00:57.38 | Kevin` | I would make the comment that the boot prettyness crap only matters on an os that you have to reboot all the time |
| 00:57.47 | TheZanke_ | abrotman, depends on how many times i mess it up ;-D |
| 00:57.49 | jelly-home | abrotman: hm, does suspend/resume count as booting? |
| 00:57.54 | abrotman | no |
| 00:58.07 | blackelf | abrotman: yes, it is SO weird to actually turn off laptop before running with it to other building etc |
| 00:58.18 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: If you're trying to introduce people to Linux, you might want to show them Ubuntu instead, since it's meant to be end-user-friendly and it has a splashscreen by default |
| 00:58.34 | abrotman | blackelf: try not to be such an argumentative prick |
| 00:58.35 | jelly-home | blackelf: that's what hibernate is for |
| 00:58.43 | Kevin` | lol blackelf |
| 00:58.50 | blackelf | abrotman: stop being smartass |
| 00:58.58 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, funny, i had that and it died on me... lol so i threw it away and DLed the 2 debian dvds |
| 00:58.58 | abrotman | me? |
| 00:59.06 | blackelf | jelly-home: is it 100% realible by now? |
| 00:59.18 | amphi | blackelf: works well for me |
| 00:59.30 | blackelf | amphi: well.. how to run it? |
| 00:59.39 | blackelf | and does it nead a huge swap partition |
| 00:59.46 | karsten | So, is it just me or is the fundamental problem of dia that it thinks of the image in terms of the canvas and its size, rather than what it is you're drawing, and _its_ scale? |
| 00:59.47 | jelly-home | blackelf: nothing is 100% reliable |
| 00:59.48 | amphi | blackelf: echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 00:59.59 | abrotman | google probably knows |
| 01:00.05 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: You don't actually need the full DVD set, btw... not unless you want to be able to install arbitrary packages without need for an Internet connection |
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| 01:00.35 | blackelf | amphi: that will enter hibernation? |
| 01:00.36 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, 10mbs connection... had it before i was done smoking... but yeah i found out i didnt need it |
| 01:00.42 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: "died on my" is pretty vague though... Ubuntu isn't a bad distro |
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| 01:00.43 | jelly-home | blackelf: I currently use debian's kernel and uswsusp, which compresses the image and doesn't need that much swap. |
| 01:01.12 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: hehe... make that "died on me"... I can't type |
| 01:01.13 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, by "died on me" i meant "i killed it"... |
| 01:01.20 | amphi | blackelf: you may need to boot with resume=/dev/foo on the kernel command line, where /dev/foo is your swap parttition, for it to work |
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| 01:01.36 | jelly-home | blackelf: there are three major implementations for suspend, hopefully one will work for you... |
| 01:01.50 | amphi | jelly-home: uswsusp? works well? |
| 01:02.04 | jelly-home | amphi: as well as swsusp. |
| 01:02.05 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, i mean come on... i tried to install php5 and apache2 and mysql from source... thats what jelly-home was helping me fix |
| 01:02.12 | blackelf | well, what do I enter in cmd line to try them |
| 01:02.26 | blackelf | and how to restore state from hibernation |
| 01:02.26 | karsten | TheZanke_: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 01:02.29 | abrotman | you'd start by reading the docs .. and then figure it out |
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| 01:03.01 | jelly-home | amphi: but requires messing with early userspace (= initrd/initramfs), which is why I use Debian's kernel -- debian's mkinitramfs has the necessary support |
| 01:03.02 | amphi | blackelf: just boot |
| 01:03.14 | TheZanke_ | karsten, i know... i just wanted them... so i can give away and copy and stuff... idk |
| 01:03.18 | karsten | Any recommendations for a good, usable, user-friendly CAD program? |
| 01:03.26 | blackelf | amphi: and which commend do you use to hibernate? |
| 01:03.32 | karsten | TheZanke_: Do the DVDs would be my suggestion, less to deal with. |
| 01:03.35 | amphi | jelly-home: uhuh, thanks; I might give it a go |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | karsten: maybe qcad |
| 01:03.43 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:03.45 | amphi | blackelf: I've only used swsusp myself |
| 01:03.52 | karsten | abrotman: Yeah, that's what I'm installing. |
| 01:04.02 | TheZanke_ | karsten, i didn install from the net tho... edited my sources.list at install and switch to etch and commented the disks out |
| 01:04.03 | jelly-home | amphi: to be honest I use suspend-to-disk only, and it has worked well with both in-kernel implementations (swsusp and uswsusp). |
| 01:04.14 | TheZanke_ | karsten, did* |
| 01:04.23 | blackelf | why apt-get upgrade wants to remove xorg and some fonts? |
| 01:04.31 | blackelf | *aptitude upgrade |
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| 01:04.38 | amphi | jelly-home: yeah, I don't bother with suspend to ram, ->disk is quick enough |
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| 01:04.49 | karsten | blackelf: which xorg? Transition package? |
| 01:04.56 | robin_sz | ive never managed to get suspend to disk working |
| 01:05.01 | robin_sz | wel, except in ;doze |
| 01:05.04 | robin_sz | ick |
| 01:05.09 | amphi | jelly-home: so there's no compelling reason to use uswsusp? |
| 01:05.13 | blackelf | karsten: possibly |
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| 01:05.24 | jelly-home | amphi: it has faster resume ;-) |
| 01:05.40 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, could you imagine... i got the nvidia drivers working all by myself (after fixing the fact i was running 386 on a p4.... oops |
| 01:05.48 | sparr | i have a sound blaster, emu10k1 based. when i modprobe emu10k1 (or any of its siblings), i get nothing. help? |
| 01:05.53 | amphi | jelly-home: good-oh ;) |
| 01:06.08 | blackelf | sparr: tried alsa-conf? |
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| 01:07.25 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 01:07.26 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 01:07.53 | concept10 | !info gstreamer |
| 01:07.57 | jelly-home | amphi: ... but uswsusp' suspend time is much longer (or maybe it's the fact that it doesn't display any crap on the screeen while preparing for suspend) |
| 01:08.17 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, if i have 2 audio devices (sb audigy 2 and a usb headset...both which have been found and are visable in volume control..) how do i switch between them? |
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| 01:08.45 | amphi | jelly-home: I'll try it out, thanks for the info |
| 01:08.46 | karsten | abrotman: "Please choose the unit you want to use for new drawings and your preferred language. Default unit: None, inch, foot, mile, millimeter, centimeter, meter, kilometer, microinch, mil, yard, angstrom, yard, nanometer, micron, decimeter, decameter, hectometer, gigameter, astro, lightyear, parsec. |
| 01:08.51 | karsten | " |
| 01:08.59 | karsten | abrotman: I think it's model-centric. |
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| 01:09.27 | jelly-home | amphi: also, it has rough edges, I've been able to suspend with one kernel, boot up my custom kernel, work a bit and shut it down, then boot up the first and it tried to resume. :-| |
| 01:09.32 | abrotman | karsten: you're doing house stuff right ? |
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| 01:09.46 | blackelf | <god> ok let me just start this CAD, select parsecs, and Im done in 7 days |
| 01:09.49 | amphi | jelly-home: naughty ;) |
| 01:10.00 | |sparr| | blackelf: apt-file cant find it... where do i get it? |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | |sparr|: that's because it's not alsa-conf .. it's alsaconf |
| 01:10.45 | blackelf | sparr: in the just pasted one liner |
| 01:10.48 | sparr | abrotman: ok, same problem |
| 01:10.56 | jelly-home | amphi: I also have reason to believe it doesn't play well with swap files... but other than that it works ;-) |
| 01:10.58 | sparr | blackelf: i missed it |
| 01:10.58 | karsten | abrotman: Right. |
| 01:11.08 | sparr | ~tell sparr about alsaconf |
| 01:11.11 | abrotman | karsten: then foot |
| 01:11.16 | sparr | :( |
| 01:11.17 | abrotman | sparr: you lie! |
| 01:11.19 | amphi | jelly-home: swsusp needs a partition IIRC |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | !find bin/alsaconf etch |
| 01:11.38 | sparr | abrotman: apt-file only sees alsaconf in vim-runtime, some syntax files |
| 01:11.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/alsaconf' (1): (/usr/sbin/alsaconf) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 01:11.50 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:12.03 | GhostlyDeath | Hibernate ans Standby are broke |
| 01:12.10 | sparr | ok, i sit corrected |
| 01:12.15 | jelly-home | amphi: uswsusp too, but it broke at suspend time when I tried it on a machine with a small swap part. and a larger swap file. |
| 01:12.19 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: not here, they ain't |
| 01:12.20 | abrotman | roll over! |
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| 01:12.46 | GhostlyDeath | My computer says there was a problem entering standby mode |
| 01:12.47 | karsten | abrotman: I was hoping for more space. |
| 01:12.50 | karsten | abrotman: parsec. |
| 01:12.51 | mzuverink | is there a deb file which contains an english to spanish kvoctrain package? |
| 01:13.02 | amphi | jelly-home: I've had swsusp abort without harm when there's been too much crap to write out |
| 01:13.04 | GhostlyDeath | and they just lock the pc, they don't do what they are supposed to do |
| 01:13.08 | karsten | !tell mzuverink about search |
| 01:13.08 | abrotman | karsten: i'd like to see the carpenter figure that out :) |
| 01:13.32 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: suspend to disk should power it down completely |
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| 01:15.24 | concept10 | !info vim-full |
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| 01:15.32 | dpkg | vim-full: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor - full fledged version), section editors, is extra. Version: 1:7.0-164+3 (sid), Packaged size: 926 kB, Installed size: 1844 kB |
| 01:15.41 | unlink | how do i prevent useradd from making a new group for each user? |
| 01:15.45 | raf256_ | how to tell aptitude to only upgrade thoes things which do not force removing other thinfs |
| 01:15.58 | leOn | i'm having trouble using mkinitrd in a sarge system to build an initrd for a 2.6.18 kernel ... i issue the command, no output hapens, but the initrd file isn't created |
| 01:16.02 | GhostlyDeath | Can I use the console to standby? |
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| 01:16.29 | GhostlyDeath | and/or hibernate? |
| 01:16.56 | jelly-home | amphi: well, uswsusp just hung at 40% ... I suspect it ran out of swap partition space and thought it could use the swap file, I haven't investigated so I might be completely wrong |
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| 01:17.36 | wmn | hi where can i get debian etch testing version ? |
| 01:17.50 | wmn | to download |
| 01:17.58 | jelly-home | unlink: /etc/default/useradd |
| 01:17.58 | abrotman | !d-i wmn |
| 01:17.59 | dpkg | wmn, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:18.44 | abrotman | wmn: get an etch daily from the second URL |
| 01:18.47 | jelly-home | unlink: wait, did you say useradd or adduser |
| 01:18.51 | mzuverink | Does anyone know of a location for a english to spanish kvtml file for kvoctrain, everything seems to basically be german and such, a link would be helpful |
| 01:18.57 | GhostlyDeath | Hpw do I do a full screen terminal from GNOME? like what you did in windows using a Dos Window |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:19.25 | pipeline | abrotman: shame :P |
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| 01:19.29 | abrotman | what?! |
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| 01:19.32 | unlink | jelly-home: useradd |
| 01:19.43 | amphi | jelly-home: hmm... perhaps I'll stick with swsusp ;) |
| 01:19.51 | unlink | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 01:21.12 | jelly-home | unlink: frankly I thought that a single group was useradd's default |
| 01:21.23 | pipeline | abrotman: vtys are filthy hacks :P |
| 01:22.01 | GhostlyDeath | There a way to fix standby and hibernation? |
| 01:22.26 | GhostlyDeath | and figuring out why those fail |
| 01:22.30 | GhostlyDeath | ? |
| 01:22.31 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: suspend in Linux is still somewhat flaky |
| 01:22.48 | GhostlyDeath | worked great on my old PC |
| 01:22.51 | concept10 | GhostlyDeath, Im not sure about gnomes terminal but the xfce terminal does that nicely with f11 |
| 01:23.11 | Guerin | suspend2 FTW! |
| 01:23.23 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: try switching to console, and run "echo disk > /sys/power/state" as root |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | bigger batteries FTW! |
| 01:23.32 | jelly-home | Guerin: suspend2 is not in Debian's default kerneels |
| 01:23.35 | concept10 | shutdown now -h FTW |
| 01:24.09 | concept10 | leaving your box on all the time, FTW! |
| 01:24.11 | pipeline | jelly-home: Are you sure? I have a stock kernel, I can use software suspend. |
| 01:24.22 | pipeline | concept10: When I see "FTW" I immediately think "Fuck the world" |
| 01:24.37 | jelly-home | pipeline: I'm positive |
| 01:24.37 | GhostlyDeath | wait |
| 01:24.37 | pipeline | concept10: Don't screw with fogies >:( |
| 01:24.37 | pinks | I have a flaky ppp connection through dial-up - is there a monitor which will tell me the actual state of the connection at all times? |
| 01:24.38 | GhostlyDeath | Debian kernels are built with APM support but it is disabled by |
| 01:24.38 | GhostlyDeath | default. You need to boot the kernel with the "apm=on" option if you |
| 01:24.38 | GhostlyDeath | want to enable the driver. (You may need to add this option to your |
| 01:24.38 | GhostlyDeath | lilo command line.) |
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| 01:24.49 | GhostlyDeath | I hate LF |
| 01:24.49 | pipeline | jelly-home: Then how the heck does this work for me? |
| 01:24.55 | abrotman | pinks: many of the GUI dialer thingies will |
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| 01:25.02 | jelly-home | pipeline: suspend has three implementations in Linux. swsusp and uswsusp are in mainline kernel. Suspend2 is not. |
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| 01:25.11 | Asche | hi |
| 01:25.15 | GhostlyDeath | How do I set apm=on? |
| 01:25.22 | Guerin | jelly-home: indeed it is not. |
| 01:25.28 | pipeline | jelly-home: gotcha |
| 01:25.42 | TheZanke_ | if i have 2 sound devices is there a way to make alsa use one as default? |
| 01:25.50 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: you probably don't want APM is you don't know exactly why you need it |
| 01:26.03 | pipeline | TheZanke_: yes, add yourself to the "audiogroup" and create an appropriate ~/.asoundrc |
| 01:26.06 | GhostlyDeath | I'm on a laptop |
| 01:26.09 | Guerin | i can recommend suspend2, though |
| 01:26.13 | GhostlyDeath | and I need to go on standy and hibernation? |
| 01:26.17 | pinks | abrotman: what gui dialer thingies? |
| 01:26.23 | Guerin | it's pretty solid, and very customisable |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | pinks: do you use kde or gnome ? |
| 01:26.35 | concept10 | gosh I hate self in python |
| 01:26.36 | pipeline | GhostlyDeath: Dude, just install gnome-power-manager and use a stock kernel. It'll "just work", whether you're using apm or acpi. |
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| 01:26.41 | pinks | abrotman: I'd be happy leaving something running in a shell |
| 01:26.41 | pipeline | concept10: gosh I hate python :P |
| 01:26.50 | GhostlyDeath | apmd and acpi is in |
| 01:26.50 | pinks | abrotman: xfce |
| 01:26.57 | GhostlyDeath | So is the gnome-power-meter |
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| 01:27.09 | GhostlyDeath | I go to Standby and Hibernate and it just locks the computer |
| 01:27.12 | TheZanke_ | pipeline, not seeing an audiogorup |
| 01:27.12 | pipeline | pinks: kppp starts a little system try doowhatsit |
| 01:27.21 | jelly-home | pipeline: Suspend2 is, afaict a nice set of patches and kludges to work with most hardware, but the kernel subsystem maintainer doesn't want to hear about it, even if it works better than his swsusp. |
| 01:27.21 | GhostlyDeath | Hibernate does not save to disk and shut off |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | pinks: you should be able to find a applet type thing for xfce that shows the status |
| 01:27.28 | pipeline | GhostlyDeath: Disable acpi and apm, then use the "hibernate" command and see what happens. |
| 01:27.33 | GhostlyDeath | and Standby does not go into a low power state |
| 01:27.35 | pipeline | GhostlyDeath: Then try enabling one or the other and see if it still crashes. |
| 01:27.46 | GhostlyDeath | My computer doesn't crash at all |
| 01:27.49 | pipeline | jelly-home: yeah, well, kernel.org is a disaster |
| 01:27.52 | robin_sz | GhostlyDeath, if you get it working, do tell, I've NEVER managed to get my slaptop to go nicely to sleep when the lid closes after I changed from Redhat to Debian .. it always worked fine in Redhat, but never yet in Debian |
| 01:27.57 | concept10 | pipeline, im actually working with pipelines in python right now |
| 01:27.57 | pinks | abrotman: xfce has diddly-squat ---- that's why I like it ;-) |
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| 01:27.58 | pipeline | TheZanke_: the group is called "audio" |
| 01:28.04 | pipeline | TheZanke_: If you have ALSA installed, there is an "audio" group. |
| 01:28.11 | pipeline | concept10: You poor SOB |
| 01:28.17 | jelly-home | concept10: are they conceptually sound? <g> |
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| 01:28.23 | GhostlyDeath | heh "No APM support in kernel" |
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| 01:28.27 | GhostlyDeath | How do I change this? |
| 01:28.31 | yipstar | anyone know which package provides x11 headers? |
| 01:28.35 | karmatronic | GhostlyDeath, recompile |
| 01:28.37 | abrotman | x-dev |
| 01:28.41 | yipstar | thanks |
| 01:28.45 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: dude, APM won't make things better for you. |
| 01:28.45 | karsten | GhostlyDeath: modprobe / rebuild |
| 01:28.46 | Kevin` | use acpi instead of apm you should |
| 01:28.50 | karsten | !apm |
| 01:28.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, apm is Advanced Power Management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
| 01:28.54 | karsten | !acpi |
| 01:28.55 | dpkg | it has been said that acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 01:28.59 | Shadowcat | acpi > apm |
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| 01:29.07 | pipeline | those factlets are fucked up |
| 01:29.11 | robin_sz | either way, it doesnt work |
| 01:29.12 | pipeline | ACPI gives more control to the *OS* |
| 01:29.13 | Asche | how can i compress a Dir with tar, like example /etc . but then when i decompress it , it decompress me the dir into another dir called for example WWW |
| 01:29.15 | karsten | pipeline: Change 'em. |
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| 01:29.47 | karsten | Asche: tar is an archiver. You can compress the *archive*, but not the source files, when creating the archive. What are you trying to do? |
| 01:29.50 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: what you want is to make suspend work. Easy way, I hear it, is to compile own kernel with Suspend2 patch |
| 01:29.55 | pipeline | karsten: "will not delete acpi count 195 > 100" ? |
| 01:29.59 | jelly-home | !suspend2 |
| 01:29.59 | dpkg | suspend2 is probably known as Software Suspend 2 and lets you suspend your Notebook to diskrum within half a minute. (and come back) it is found at suspend2.net) Thanks Nigel for making it such a good working peace :-) |
| 01:30.05 | karsten | pipeline: ? |
| 01:30.32 | pipeline | karsten: I can't tell dpkg to forget acpi. |
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| 01:30.34 | karsten | dpkg: apm is but ACPI is better (somewhat). See also swsusp |
| 01:30.34 | dpkg | ...but apm is already something else... |
| 01:30.39 | concept10 | self.pipeline.add(self.audiotestsrc) |
| 01:30.42 | pinks | abrotman: the best monitor is this chatroom ;-) |
| 01:30.44 | karsten | dpkg: apm is also but ACPI is better (somewhat). See also swsusp |
| 01:30.44 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | pinks: hehe .. |
| 01:31.03 | karsten | dpkg: ACPI is also generally better than APM but see also swsusp |
| 01:31.04 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 01:31.05 | abrotman | pinks: i know there's an applet for KDE and for GNOME .. |
| 01:31.10 | karsten | !hibernate robin_sz |
| 01:31.11 | robin_sz | nope, failed. next suggestion please? |
| 01:31.30 | pinks | abrotman: I've looked - there's nothing in xfce that I can find |
| 01:31.33 | robin_sz | hibernate: Aborting suspend due to errors in ModulesUnloadBlacklist (use --force to override). |
| 01:31.44 | jelly-home | robin_sz: chvt 1; login as root, echo disk > /sys/power/state |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | pinks: apt-cache search ppp xfce |
| 01:32.00 | robin_sz | chvt? |
| 01:32.04 | jelly-home | robin_sz: so, unload the unsafe modules |
| 01:32.06 | pinks | abrotman: is there not some cl means of monitoring the connection? |
| 01:32.12 | abrotman | pinks: or use a generic X one |
| 01:32.30 | abrotman | pinks: sure .. i think it's pppd -status or something i believe .. man pppd |
| 01:32.36 | jelly-home | robin_sz: ctrl-alt-f1 does what chvt 1 does |
| 01:32.44 | pinks | abrotman: what genereic X one? |
| 01:32.45 | GhostlyDeath | suspend2.net gave me patches |
| 01:32.52 | GhostlyDeath | How Do I use those?' |
| 01:32.53 | pinks | ok |
| 01:33.04 | pipeline | pinks: the KDE one is as "generic X" as it gets |
| 01:33.06 | jelly-home | robin_sz: but disregard my advice and work on those modules that hibernate script didn't like |
| 01:33.08 | pipeline | pinks: it uses the fd.o standard systray |
| 01:33.12 | Asche | karsten, for example, i do "tar czvf archive.tar.gz /etc" and then i do "cd /home/julian" . i want that when i do "tar xzvf archive.tar.gz" it decompress me in /home/julian/ONE_NAME/etc |
| 01:33.18 | pipeline | pinks: You can't go through life just not using certain libraries due to superstition :P |
| 01:33.35 | pinks | pipeline: LMAO |
| 01:33.45 | karsten | Asche: tar strips leading '/' from archives. This is a feature, not a bug. |
| 01:33.56 | jelly-home | GhostlyDeath: you'll have to learn how to build a custom kernel. |
| 01:34.03 | robin_sz | jelly-home, I dont understand what you mean by 2unload those modules" rmmod snd-maestro3" ? |
| 01:34.11 | pipeline | Asche, karsten : It's the very best feature ever. |
| 01:34.17 | karsten | Asche: You can specify an cd-path to unarchive to, or: ( cd /somedir; tar xzvf <archive> ) |
| 01:34.26 | jelly-home | robin_sz: yup, something like that |
| 01:34.39 | robin_sz | sigh ... |
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| 01:34.57 | robin_sz | on redhat i just used to close the lid and it all happened .. open the lid and up it came ... |
| 01:34.59 | jelly-home | robin_sz: /etc/init.d/alsa unload maybe |
| 01:35.03 | karsten | Asche: Otherwise, you *can't* unpack an archive in some arbitrary location if it has hardcoded explicit paths in it. Think about why you might _not_ want to do that at some time. |
| 01:35.13 | karsten | robin_sz: laptop-personality and some related stuff. |
| 01:35.17 | Asche | but if the Dir doesnt exist, it create ? |
| 01:35.22 | Asche | it |
| 01:36.26 | robin_sz | karsten, no such package |
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| 01:37.26 | Asche | ok, thanks karsten :D_ |
| 01:37.26 | karsten | robin_sz: It's a kernel feature, not a package. |
| 01:38.08 | robin_sz | right ... err |
| 01:38.32 | robin_sz | karsten, apt-get install kernel-feature laptop-persoanility/ |
| 01:38.34 | jelly-home | karsten: it's not a case of "Debian maintainer didn't really care about a handler for that acpi event"? |
| 01:38.34 | robin_sz | ?? |
| 01:39.04 | karsten | robin_sz: Here: laptop-detect laptop-mode-tools thinkpad-base thinkpad-source |
| 01:39.51 | sparr | is there any way to recursively rmmod? to avoid manually removing dozens of modules? |
| 01:40.06 | karsten | robin_sz: It mostly Just Works[tm] here, but I get some laptop functionality autoconfigured at boot. |
| 01:40.09 | robin_sz | karsten, seems I didnt have the mode-tools |
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| 01:40.31 | karsten | robin_sz: Seems to be laptop-mode that you want. |
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| 01:40.49 | karsten | erm. sec. |
| 01:40.55 | karsten | laptop-mode-tools |
| 01:40.55 | enouf | sparr: man modprobe and use -r |
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| 01:41.47 | sparr | enouf: fails because modules are "in use" |
| 01:42.12 | enouf | so wtf are you trying to remove them? |
| 01:42.32 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, is there anything better than alsa or do i need something specific for audigy 2? cause it finds it when i ran alsaconf and everything and set it up and all... but still no sound |
| 01:43.02 | sparr | enouf: snd |
| 01:43.14 | sparr | enouf: its in use by a dozen other modules |
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| 01:43.50 | mrec_ | TheZanke_: is that audigy2 a USB or PCI dev? |
| 01:43.59 | mrec_ | (just curious) |
| 01:44.14 | pinks | abrotman: the nearest I can get is to get pppd to -record everything to a file and tail -f the file |
| 01:44.22 | TheZanke_ | mrec_, pci |
| 01:44.46 | TheZanke_ | mrec_, but i have a usb headset too but i dont want to use it |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | pinks: there's a better way ... |
| 01:44.48 | TheZanke_ | mrec_, they are both plugged in |
| 01:44.58 | karmatronic | TheZanke_, check the volume settings |
| 01:45.10 | TheZanke_ | karmatronic, already did |
| 01:45.11 | mrec_ | TheZanke_: I have an creative extigy (quite old stuff, but it's badly supported by alsa) |
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| 01:45.36 | abrotman | pinks: you could probably tail -f /var/log/messages too |
| 01:45.40 | DocTomoe | !reinstall |
| 01:45.41 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 01:45.46 | sparr | How can I find out what modules and module parameters a livecd is using the make my sound work? So that I can duplicate those options on my main OS. |
| 01:46.20 | pinks | abrotman: yea - I need to sort my logging so that ppp goes somewhere seperate and then tail that |
| 01:46.37 | pinks | abrotman: at the moment everything goes to syslog |
| 01:47.49 | pinks | abrotman: a 1 sec ping is just as effective at telling me if the connection has died |
| 01:48.12 | robin_sz | karsten, nah, still doesnt work, unplug power, /etc/init.d/laptop-mode start ... active, shut lid, screen goes black, cpu fans come on, laptop stays on runnng high cpu load and flattening batteries |
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| 01:49.19 | pinks | robin_sz: getting suspend to work on a laptop is a pig -- I had to tweak the BIOS and all sorts to get mine to work |
| 01:49.59 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: Did you unmute the volume levels? |
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| 01:50.14 | undesktop | hi... how do I make udev to create a device file for my cdrom? |
| 01:50.15 | robin_sz | pinks, I think its just the debian stuff thats the problem, this laptop used to suspend and resume perfectly |
| 01:50.32 | Wyzard | undesktop: It should do that automatically |
| 01:50.39 | pinks | robin_sz: on a different flavour of linux? |
| 01:50.42 | undesktop | Wyzard: when? |
| 01:50.49 | undesktop | Wyzard: modprobe cdrom didn't do it |
| 01:50.51 | robin_sz | pinks, dedrat and win xp |
| 01:51.13 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, i think so |
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| 01:51.23 | Wyzard | undesktop: at boot time, when the driver is loaded automatically by hardware detection |
| 01:51.30 | pinks | robin_sz: most laptops suspend feature is built for windows |
| 01:51.30 | robin_sz | pinks, happen to know if it works in Ubuntu/ |
| 01:51.33 | Wyzard | undesktop: etch, right? |
| 01:51.36 | undesktop | Wyzard: which ahrdware detection?? |
| 01:51.46 | undesktop | Wyzard: don't know, Debian Unstable |
| 01:51.46 | Wyzard | undesktop: udev's |
| 01:51.51 | Wyzard | undesktop: ok, then sid |
| 01:51.54 | pinks | robin_sz: getiing it to work in Linux is -- as I say - a pig |
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| 01:52.05 | Guerin | pinks: i didn't find that |
| 01:52.14 | Guerin | suspend2 Just Works on my thinkpad |
| 01:52.17 | undesktop | Wyzard: well, then it doesn't seem to recognize my cdrom |
| 01:52.22 | robin_sz | pinks, well, as I said, it "Just workd" in redhat, so I guess its just config issues |
| 01:52.30 | pinks | robin_sz: it'll work -- you just need to find out how ;-) |
| 01:52.32 | Wyzard | undesktop: /sbin/lsmod | grep cdrom |
| 01:52.33 | undesktop | Guerin: sadly there aren't suspend2 kernels for Debian |
| 01:52.52 | undesktop | Wyzard: cdrom wasn't loaded (I think), but now it is |
| 01:52.56 | Guerin | undesktop: yeah. It's trivial to build. |
| 01:52.57 | pinks | Guerin: yea -yea - there's always someone who gets all the luck |
| 01:53.08 | undesktop | Guerin: you have to compile it |
| 01:53.10 | pinks | Guerin: my toshiba was a nightmare |
| 01:53.12 | Guerin | pinks: it Just Worked on my 1997 toshiba too |
| 01:53.13 | undesktop | Guerin: that takes time and nerves |
| 01:53.14 | Guerin | hah |
| 01:53.22 | Guerin | undesktop: yes, indeed. |
| 01:53.29 | Wyzard | undesktop: cdrom is not a hardware driver, it's just a basis for hardware drivers |
| 01:53.34 | robin_sz | I am not interested if it involves building kernels |
| 01:53.35 | Wyzard | undesktop: What does that command return? |
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| 01:53.54 | undesktop | Wyzard: cdrom 32544 1 sr_mod |
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| 01:54.14 | Guerin | Wyzard: the author of the s2 patch was making noises about packaging it for debian, probably once etch releases |
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| 01:54.23 | pedja | fdfdh |
| 01:54.29 | undesktop | Wyzard: and if I access /dev/.static/dev/cdrom, it turns into: "cdrom 32544 2 ide_cd,sr_mod" |
| 01:54.30 | pinks | robin_sz: no - it didn't involve anything as drastic as that - just the bios and the config's |
| 01:54.32 | Guerin | Wyzard: he's held up by having to learn debconf and such, though |
| 01:54.37 | undesktop | Wyzard: so it misses ide_cd *shrug* |
| 01:54.38 | pedja | hi |
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| 01:54.56 | Wyzard | undesktop: Well, ide_cd is the actual hardware driver for IDE CD-ROM drives |
| 01:55.06 | abrotman | dpkg: make the internet work |
| 01:55.26 | Wyzard | undesktop: I thought udev was supposed to load that automatically like it does sr_mod (the driver for SCSI and SATA CD-ROM drives), but I could be wrong |
| 01:55.30 | undesktop | Wyzard: you see, the disgusting thing is, that the "old" dev just works (loads the driver automatically), but udev always makes such problems |
| 01:55.39 | Wyzard | undesktop: Put ide_cd in /etc/modules |
| 01:55.41 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, AHA! <Audigy A> was the culprit...stupid thing was muted |
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| 01:56.26 | undesktop | Wyzard: well ok, in /etc/modules are some more modules, which cover my network card, the sound card, sr_mod... why doesn't udev care about that? |
| 01:56.46 | undesktop | Wyzard: and where did automatic driver loading go? |
| 01:56.53 | Guerin | 6000 words! |
| 01:56.59 | Guerin | only 1000 to go |
| 01:57.24 | Wyzard | undesktop: You probably don't need those modules for your network card and other stuff |
| 01:57.24 | Wyzard | undesktop: Things like PCI devices have their modules autoloaded |
| 01:57.36 | undesktop | Wyzard: I doubt it, because then I wouldn't have put them there |
| 01:57.56 | Wyzard | undesktop: Do you have an entry for the driver module for your motherboard's IDE controller? |
| 01:58.28 | undesktop | Wyzard: yes I do, somewhere in the initrd stuff, else DMA wouldn't work |
| 01:58.43 | Wyzard | undesktop: shouldn't be necessary either |
| 01:58.48 | Wyzard | undesktop: You're running a recent kernel, right? |
| 01:58.59 | undesktop | yes, the 2.6.18-4 |
| 01:59.08 | undesktop | Wyzard: and I needed it at least some time before |
| 01:59.21 | Wyzard | undesktop: How long ago was "some time before" ? |
| 01:59.40 | undesktop | Wyzard: when I switched from my self-built kernel to the standard Debian kernel |
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| 01:59.47 | Wyzard | undesktop: How long ago? |
| 01:59.48 | enouf | likely a self-compiled booboo-borkage |
| 01:59.57 | undesktop | Wyzard: maybe at least a half year |
| 02:00.29 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, is it possible to be able to mount and view my windows hhd? i see it on here but it wont let me in... says there was an error |
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| 02:00.40 | TheZanke_ | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error but dbuserror was not set. |
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| 02:00.53 | Wyzard | undesktop: In the past, udev didn't do hardware detection; that was the responsibility of hotplug |
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| 02:01.12 | palo87 | hola alguien habla español |
| 02:01.23 | Wyzard | undesktop: Nowadays hotplug is deprecated because udev does that stuff itself |
| 02:01.24 | xand | !es |
| 02:01.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:01.34 | undesktop | Wyzard: does that mean nothing that can be autodetected has to go into /etc/modules? what about /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
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| 02:01.39 | Wyzard | undesktop: The transition was a few months after sarge was released in summer 2005, IIRC |
| 02:01.55 | undesktop | Wyzard: that's too long ago |
| 02:02.06 | Wyzard | undesktop: My /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is empty aside from the comments that are there by default |
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| 02:02.19 | enouf | likely a self-compiled booboo-borkage .. as i said |
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| 02:02.26 | family | I've just installed debian stable on an old HP kayak. It has scsi, but since the only scsi drive is on the fritz I'm using IDE. How can I install grub when the bios won't recognize IDE as bootable? |
| 02:02.29 | abrotman | !tell eryh about root |
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| 02:02.47 | Wyzard | family: Maybe that machine just doesn't support booting from IDE? |
| 02:03.05 | undesktop | Wyzard: well, at least I know that my cdrom drive wasn't detected today |
| 02:03.14 | undesktop | Wyzard: (not only today, it never was= |
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| 02:03.34 | undesktop | Wyzard: but: it was loaded when I accessed /dev/.static/dev/cdrom |
| 02:03.41 | criminy | Wyzard: Yeah, I'm assuming. Is booting grub from floppy the only solution? |
| 02:04.04 | Wyzard | undesktop: I'm a little less surprised about that because a CD-ROM drive isn't as discoverable as, say, a PCI card... it'd have to go probe all the devices connected to the IDE controller to see whether they're optical drives |
| 02:04.26 | undesktop | Wyzard: it has to probe the IDE devices anyway |
| 02:04.41 | Wyzard | undesktop: only for presence and generic info like model string |
| 02:04.55 | Wyzard | undesktop: not device-specific functionality |
| 02:05.00 | undesktop | well, ide_cd isn't very specific is it? |
| 02:05.31 | undesktop | and, I have to repeat it, when accessing /dev/.static/dev/cdrom, the driver was _automatically_ loaded |
| 02:05.32 | Wyzard | undesktop: I mean discovering that a particular IDE device is a hard drive, or an ATAPI CD-ROM drive, or something else |
| 02:05.52 | Wyzard | undesktop: Yes, the kernel supports auto-loading modules when a device file that needs the module is accessed |
| 02:06.06 | criminy | the SCSI driver uses aic7xxxx, which on stable works fine but on testing I can't even get the install CD to boot. |
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| 02:06.15 | undesktop | Wyzard: yeah, so the problem here is udev, which didn't create the cdrom device file |
| 02:06.16 | Wyzard | undesktop: That's not because it detected a CD drive; it's just because ide_cd is the driver that handles /dev/.static/dev/cdrom |
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| 02:06.38 | undesktop | Wyzard: set as alias, isn't it |
| 02:06.39 | Wyzard | undesktop: but that autoloading facility isn't really used anymore... udev works differently |
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| 02:07.06 | undesktop | Wyzard: I have the impression that udev doesn't work at all :) |
| 02:07.11 | Wyzard | undesktop: udev isn't *supposed* to create device files for hardware that it hasn't actually found in the system |
| 02:07.12 | undesktop | (for me) |
| 02:07.41 | undesktop | Wyzard: so what is it supposed to do |
| 02:07.53 | Wyzard | undesktop: I've been using udev for several years and it works fine for me and seemingly everyone else |
| 02:08.11 | undesktop | Wyzard: yeah, everyone but me... and I have no idea why |
| 02:08.21 | Wyzard | undesktop: The kernel has a "hotplug" facility now, that allows it to respond to hardware being connected/disconnected while the system is running |
| 02:08.46 | Wyzard | undesktop: At boot time, one of the startup scripts triggers hotplug events for all the hardware that's already present in the system, as if it had all just instantly been plugged in |
| 02:09.04 | Wyzard | undesktop: udev's role is to respond to hotplug events by loading the appropriate driver for the new hardware |
| 02:09.12 | muuhDBX | "hotplug" facility weekend ! |
| 02:09.23 | Wyzard | undesktop: Things like PCI cards, USB devices, etc. all generate hotplug events and get their drivers loaded |
| 02:09.29 | TheZanke_ | jelly-home, still here? |
| 02:09.36 | muuhDBX | :D |
| 02:09.38 | Wyzard | undesktop: Apparently an IDE CD-ROM drive doesn't generate a hotplug event, so udev never notices it |
| 02:09.58 | undesktop | Wyzard: so, what's the correct way to do detect the cdrom drive? |
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| 02:10.13 | undesktop | Wyzard: you normally haven't to do it by hand, do you? |
| 02:10.29 | Wyzard | undesktop: Just put it in /etc/modules, I guess... there might be a program that probes for optical drives and generates hotplug events, but I don't know of one offhand |
| 02:10.46 | muuhDBX | :X |
| 02:10.51 | mfrisch | kudzu |
| 02:11.02 | undesktop | Wyzard: i.e. when Debian is installed... I'm sure it won't require users to edit /etc/modules by hand to add unknown drivers |
| 02:11.05 | muuhDBX | cyonara |
| 02:11.13 | Wyzard | undesktop: The system I'm using now has a SATA optical drive, and sr_mod got loaded automatically... but I'm not sure whether that's actually in response to the drive's presence, or if it got loaded by coincidence for some other reason |
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| 02:12.27 | Wyzard | undesktop: Unfortunately, I just retired my only Debian system with an IDE optical drive, and wiped the hard drives, so I can't check |
| 02:13.04 | undesktop | Wyzard: btw.: obviously I shouldn't remove all these modules from /etc/modules, since they're all not hot plugable (especially PCI devices) |
| 02:13.17 | Wyzard | undesktop: They don't have to be physically hotpluggable |
| 02:13.43 | Wyzard | undesktop: The hotplug events generated at boot time are synthetic, one-shot events for hardware that's already physically plugged in |
| 02:13.57 | muuhDBX | zû0p!;<:3 |
| 02:13.59 | undesktop | and why does this exclude the cdrom? which is easy to detect! |
| 02:15.10 | undesktop | Wyzard: btw., I didn't mention it, but I think, my system outputs sth. like "udev synthesizing initial hot plug event... done (timed out)" |
| 02:15.22 | undesktop | I can't check it, it isn't in syslog |
| 02:16.00 | Wyzard | undesktop: looks like "udevtrigger" is the program that runs at boot time and synthesizes hotplug events for all your hardware |
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| 02:16.10 | muuhDBX | debit RuLx |
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| 02:16.23 | Wyzard | undesktop: Run "udevtrigger --verbose" to see what devices it finds |
| 02:16.48 | undesktop | Wyzard: now? can I run it without danger? |
| 02:16.53 | Wyzard | undesktop: yeah |
| 02:17.02 | muuhDBX | vinCZ |
| 02:17.28 | undesktop | Wyzard: it outputted a long list of lines like "/devices/pnp0/00:0c" |
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| 02:17.33 | Wyzard | undesktop: and it looks like udevtrigger does notice my SATA optical drive, so presumably sr_mod did get loaded automatically in response to that drive's presence |
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| 02:17.51 | Wyzard | undesktop: Scroll up in the output and you should see some lines beginning with "block", for your IDE devices |
| 02:17.57 | SkramX | has anyone successfully setup netatalk (Apple File Protocol)? Can you paste your configs |
| 02:17.59 | muuhDBX | im under atck ! |
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| 02:18.15 | undesktop | there's "/block/hdd" |
| 02:18.16 | muuhDBX | can some 1 help me |
| 02:18.17 | Wyzard | undesktop: You'll also see all your PCI devices in there, btw |
| 02:18.26 | undesktop | no string that includes "cd" |
| 02:18.30 | undesktop | yes |
| 02:18.43 | Wyzard | undesktop: "hdd" is likely your optical drive |
| 02:18.55 | muuhDBX | some one is flooding my connection |
| 02:18.58 | Pedro420 | I've purged flashplugin-nonfree and restarted firefox but the plugin is still working. I wanted to remove it because its macromedia flash 7 and I want firefox to find and install adobe flash 9 to try fix some issues I am having. Any ideas as to how to remove it? |
| 02:19.03 | enouf | just lshal | grep block.device would do |
| 02:19.07 | undesktop | Wyzard: yes it is |
| 02:19.15 | Wyzard | undesktop: It won't be called "cd"... these names are actually all items in /sys |
| 02:19.21 | muuhDBX | b.D |
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| 02:19.34 | muuhDBX | rrright |
| 02:19.49 | undesktop | Pedro420: maybe it's installed locally |
| 02:19.54 | undesktop | Pedro420: in your mozilla profile |
| 02:20.02 | muuhDBX | loL< |
| 02:20.05 | Pedro420 | undesktop: I think thats pretty obvious :P |
| 02:20.08 | RichiH | muuhDBX: is it me or are you a little bit random? |
| 02:20.17 | Wyzard | undesktop: "udevtrigger --verbose --subsystem-match=block" restricts it to just looking for block devices, so you don't get the PCI/etc. stuff |
| 02:20.20 | Pedro420 | undesktop: where would it be like .mozilla/firefox/plugins? |
| 02:20.20 | muuhDBX | THATS WOULD ME ME !? |
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| 02:20.40 | muuhDBX | (:> |
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| 02:20.55 | undesktop | Pedro420: I don't know exactly... you could search for files which end with .so |
| 02:20.59 | Wyzard | undesktop: Take ide_cd out of /etc/modules, reboot and then use udevtrigger manually and see if it loads the driver |
| 02:21.06 | Pedro420 | undesktop: ok, thanks |
| 02:21.22 | muuhDBX | undesktop: EXACTLY |
| 02:21.25 | Wyzard | undesktop: to see if the problem is caused by that timeout during boot that you mentioned |
| 02:21.55 | muuhDBX | MUUUHH |
| 02:22.04 | undesktop | Wyzard: I unloaded sr_mod, ide_cd and cdrom, and rerun udev-trigger |
| 02:22.11 | undesktop | Wyzard: it didn't load anything |
| 02:22.29 | muuhDBX | undesktop: MUST BE DRUNK :F |
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| 02:22.38 | undesktop | Wyzard: well, at least I don't see that it reloaded any of the unloaded ones |
| 02:22.38 | Pedro420 | undesktop: I found it in ~/.mozilla/plugins fyi |
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| 02:22.56 | Wyzard | undesktop: I just tried the same thing with sr_mod and my SATA optical drive, and it does indeed reload the module |
| 02:23.04 | Wyzard | undesktop: Check syslog and see if it says it's failing for some reason |
| 02:23.24 | muuhDBX | FHAILING OWNES |
| 02:23.31 | undesktop | Wyzard: nothing in syslog or dmesg |
| 02:23.44 | Wyzard | muuhDBX: Go away |
| 02:23.54 | muuhDBX | some one is flooding my connection |
| 02:24.02 | Wyzard | muuhDBX: You're flooding the channel with garbage |
| 02:24.08 | muuhDBX | CANT YOU DO SOMTHING ABOUYT IT ? |
| 02:24.17 | Wyzard | No, we can't. Stop acting like an idiot. |
| 02:24.26 | undesktop | Wyzard: just ignore him |
| 02:24.28 | muuhDBX | CALL THE COPS |
| 02:24.37 | undesktop | Wyzard: know, udev-trigger doesn't even list hdd |
| 02:24.37 | muuhDBX | ITS AN EMERGENCY ! |
| 02:24.42 | Guerin | muuhDBX: i have a 100% guaranteed fix for your problem. |
| 02:24.44 | Wyzard | !ops muuhDBX troll |
| 02:24.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: wyzard complains about: muuhDBX troll |
| 02:24.54 | Guerin | muuhDBX: listen carefully, and do exactly what I say |
| 02:25.02 | RichiH | muuhDBX: please stop |
| 02:25.03 | Wyzard | undesktop: It did before, right? |
| 02:25.09 | RichiH | Guerin: you, too |
| 02:25.20 | undesktop | Wyzard: I think yes... that was when ide_cd was loaded |
| 02:25.24 | muuhDBX | I SAHL SAY THIS ONLT ONCE IN A WHILE |
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| 02:25.30 | Guerin | RichiH: what, I'm helping him solve his problem. |
| 02:25.34 | Wyzard | undesktop: It shouldn't depend on whether the module is already loaded |
| 02:25.44 | Wyzard | RichiH: thanks :-) |
| 02:25.57 | RichiH | Guerin: you were not about to make any constructive suggestion :) |
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| 02:26.08 | undesktop | Wyzard: but it does... when loading ide_cd again, udev-trigger lists "/block/hdd" |
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| 02:26.22 | eshaase | is it uncommon to have to re-compile a kernel to setup a certain piece of hardware in debian? |
| 02:26.30 | Wyzard | eshaase: These days, it's rare |
| 02:26.33 | Guerin | RichiH: I was too, if he'd followed my instructions you wouldn't have had to ban him! |
| 02:26.39 | Guerin | ;) |
| 02:26.46 | undesktop | counter trolling |
| 02:26.58 | Wyzard | undesktop: hmm... I don't know whether that's a bug in udev or something specific to your system |
| 02:27.23 | Wyzard | undesktop: and I unfortunately don't have a Debian box with an IDE CD-ROM to test with... but I do have an Ubuntu one, so let me boot that and check udevtrigger on my end |
| 02:27.29 | undesktop | Wyzard: maybe some aged config files, which dpkg didn't replace? |
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| 02:27.55 | Guerin | troll vs troll! |
| 02:27.57 | Wyzard | undesktop: Possible, but seems unlikely... I want to withhold judgement until I check whether I can reproduce the problem here |
| 02:28.23 | Wyzard | and hopefully Ubuntu's udev is configured similarly enough to Debian's that this comparison is valid |
| 02:28.45 | undesktop | at least it should work similary |
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| 02:30.47 | enouf | undesktop: uname -a says what? |
| 02:31.05 | undesktop | enouf: Linux debian 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Fri Feb 2 15:10:49 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:31.12 | undesktop | damn, SMP support compiled in, what a waste |
| 02:31.32 | mfrisch | undesktop: all new kernels have smp |
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| 02:31.40 | enouf | dpkg -l udev hotplug hal dbus --> into a pastebin |
| 02:31.40 | Wyzard | Most major distros do that these days |
| 02:31.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching udev hotplug hal dbus --> into a pastebin |
| 02:31.53 | Wyzard | enouf: hotplug shouldn't be needed these days |
| 02:31.56 | enouf | dpkg shaddup |
| 02:31.56 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 02:32.01 | undesktop | mfrisch: I'd dislike the locking overhead... but I guess it isn't that important |
| 02:32.06 | enouf | udos: dpkg -l udev hotplug hal dbus --> into a pastebin |
| 02:32.10 | enouf | baj |
| 02:32.17 | enouf | fuck it |
| 02:32.19 | Justin | undesktop: pretty sure SMP is autodetected and disabled when only one cpu is found |
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| 02:32.26 | RichiH | !fuck it |
| 02:32.34 | undesktop | Justin: to a certain degree |
| 02:32.39 | Wyzard | undesktop: grr... I'm unable to load ide-cd on the Ubuntu box |
| 02:32.42 | RichiH | aww :/ |
| 02:32.48 | undesktop | Wyzard: it's ide_cd |
| 02:33.06 | Wyzard | undesktop: same thing... hyphens and underscores are interchangeable in module names |
| 02:33.10 | enouf | heh .. I just don't care enough right now RichiH :-) .. plus it's a troll wearing sheeps wool :-} |
| 02:33.28 | undesktop | Wyzard: hm, I didn't know that |
| 02:33.46 | undesktop | Wyzard: maybe directly compiled into the kernel? |
| 02:34.05 | Wyzard | undesktop: no, it shows up in lsmod |
| 02:34.12 | Justin | undesktop: I'm pretty sure it is not "to a certain degree", but as I said, disabled if only one cpu is found |
| 02:34.24 | Wyzard | undesktop: OK, correction: I can remove it, but it *immediately* gets reloaded again automatically... by what, I don't know |
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| 02:34.43 | undesktop | Wyzard: lol, sounds funny... |
| 02:34.44 | Justin | Wyzard: you have hal and stuff running? |
| 02:34.59 | undesktop | Justin: does that include locking prefixes? |
| 02:35.27 | Wyzard | Justin: Just killed it, but it didn't help |
| 02:35.29 | Justin | undesktop: I'm pretty sure that there is no difference in runing a UP kernel and a SMP kernel on a machine that only has one cpu |
| 02:35.42 | Wyzard | Justin: must be some Ubuntu weirdness... oh well |
| 02:36.15 | undesktop | Justin: I don't know how exactly Linux does the things, but there definitely can be differences |
| 02:36.51 | Justin | undesktop: I believe there used to be a difference, but not anymore |
| 02:36.51 | Wyzard | Justin: Even if it doesn't actually utilize the locks, it still has to have code like if (smp_enabled) { lock(); /* etc. */ } |
| 02:37.02 | Wyzard | Justin: so there can be a tiny amount of overhead due to the branching |
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| 02:37.29 | Justin | Wyzard: aren't most of locks and stuff related to preempt too? |
| 02:37.33 | undesktop | Wyzard: but Linux kernel hackers don't like tiny amounts of overheads :) |
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| 02:38.03 | Justin | I remember something about there not being a difference anymore, which was part of the justification for not having separate packages for UP/SMP |
| 02:38.04 | rpc | are there any known issues with kernel 2.6.17 and 2.6.18? should i avoid them? etch seems unstable and box locks up out of the blue quite often plus i tend to loose networking on it... anyone has similar exp? |
| 02:38.05 | pinks | robin_sz: did you get suspend to work? |
| 02:38.15 | graytron | undesktop: so unlike those Windows people |
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| 02:38.37 | undesktop | graytron: Windows AFAIK also had separate kernels for UP and MP |
| 02:39.04 | mrec_ | Justin: it's about locking mechanisms |
| 02:39.13 | Wyzard | undesktop: OK, I worked around Ubuntu's auto-reload-ide-cd quirk by renaming the .ko file temporarily |
| 02:39.33 | Wyzard | undesktop: and udevtrigger behaves the same there as it does for you: it doesn't see the CD drive unless the module is already loaded |
| 02:39.58 | undesktop | Wyzard: question is, how is the driver loaded initially? |
| 02:40.17 | Wyzard | undesktop: so I guess it's probably just a limitation in udevtrigger, and probably why Ubuntu put in that hack in the first place |
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| 02:40.26 | Wyzard | undesktop: from /etc/modules, I guess |
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| 02:41.19 | Wyzard | undesktop: Ubuntu apparently loads it for you because of this issue, because they want to cater to non-technical users who don't understand modules and hotplug stuff |
| 02:41.33 | undesktop | Wyzard: so what component is responsibly for general hardware detection? is it udev-trigger alone? |
| 02:41.40 | Wyzard | undesktop: but Debian isn't a beginner-oriented distro, and doesn't implement such a hack, so I guess the right thing to do is to just put it in /etc/modules |
| 02:41.46 | amphi | did I hear 'Ubuntu'? |
| 02:42.04 | Wyzard | amphi: yeah, I was using an Ubuntu box to try to reproduce a problem that undesktop is having with Debian |
| 02:42.19 | Wyzard | amphi: since I don't have a suitable Debian box to reproduce the problem with |
| 02:42.33 | amphi | Wyzard: what is the problem? |
| 02:42.52 | undesktop | I can't really believe that thousands of Debian users had to go and add the cd driver to their /etc/modules |
| 02:42.55 | pinks | I need help with apt-get. I have 3 mirrors listed, but pkgs are not being found |
| 02:42.58 | undesktop | amphi: well... |
| 02:43.01 | Wyzard | undesktop: afaik, it's udevtrigger that's entirely responsible for generating the hotplug events |
| 02:43.06 | undesktop | amphi: the cd driver isn't loaded at boot |
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| 02:43.14 | amphi | undesktop: nope, I don't |
| 02:43.31 | undesktop | amphi: it's a standard IDE drive, module ide_cd |
| 02:43.42 | amphi | ide_core, cdrom, and ide_cdrom are all loaded automagically |
| 02:43.44 | undesktop | amphi: because it wasn't loaded, udev never created a /dev/cdrom device file |
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| 02:43.48 | leOn | apparently there's a problem with the udev/initramfs/firmware-qlogic packages |
| 02:43.53 | Wyzard | amphi: udevtrigger doesn't see IDE CD-ROM drives unless the ide-cd module is loaded, so it's no use in getting udev to load ide-cd in response to such a drive being present in the system |
| 02:43.55 | rpc | so, which is the most recommended and stable 2.6 kernel to put onto etch box? |
| 02:44.02 | undesktop | "FATAL: Module ide_cdrom not found." you mena ide_cd |
| 02:44.05 | pinks | Guerin: what's your sources.list say? |
| 02:44.06 | undesktop | s/mena/mean |
| 02:44.12 | Wyzard | rpc: 2.6.18, the one that's packaged in etch |
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| 02:44.20 | leOn | i can't seem to get kpartx to define the device partitions on boot ... anyone knows how can i fix this ? |
| 02:44.21 | amphi | undesktop: yeah, my bad, ide_cd |
| 02:44.27 | rpc | Wyzard 2.6.18-3 is giving me a headache :/ |
| 02:44.39 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, good news... i got my drives mounted and working... band news..... they now arent showing up in my "(My) Computer" |
| 02:44.39 | undesktop | amphi: could you look if it's in your /etc/modules? |
| 02:44.50 | itrebal | I'm tryingto change my hostname and domain name completely, it used to be 'christensen.example.com' and now its partially changed - some places its correct: 'leviathan.itrebal.com' and sometimes its half-way there: 'leviathan.example.com' - I'm finding these things in my email claient |
| 02:44.51 | amphi | it isn't |
| 02:45.12 | Wyzard | amphi: Maybe you have something like hotplug or discover installed |
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| 02:45.30 | itrebal | err.. I'm finding this information by reading the raw headers sent by the email server |
| 02:45.33 | pinks | Can anyone tell me what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list to make it work? |
| 02:45.34 | undesktop | amphi: and in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules? |
| 02:45.39 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, do i need to make links of /media/share and /media/share in /mnt/? cause i forget the command to do so |
| 02:45.41 | Caelum | how come pulseaudio doesn't work with dmix |
| 02:45.52 | rpc | pinks etch or sarge? |
| 02:45.55 | Wyzard | rpc: What's wrong with it? |
| 02:46.03 | pinks | rpc sarge |
| 02:46.07 | amphi | Wyzard: nope |
| 02:46.12 | Wyzard | TheZanke_: Not at all; there's nothing special or magical about /mnt |
| 02:46.15 | graytron | could someone give me a working udev rule for setting up /dev/hdc (my cdrom) access permissions (uid, group, and mode) when booting the system? for some reason my rules don't take effect after boot, only after udevrestart on a running system (Sarge) |
| 02:46.29 | pinks | rpc: I'm in New Zealand |
| 02:46.34 | rpc | Wyzard i loose networking on it and it tends to hang up from time to time, right now i can't even boot... it died somewhere between portmap and mysql startup |
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| 02:46.41 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, any clue why it isnt showing up as a hdd now that i have it working properly? |
| 02:46.42 | Wyzard | graytron: That sounds similar to the issue that undesktop and I have been discussing |
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| 02:46.44 | rpc | pinks that's great, wish i was there too |
| 02:46.47 | amphi | undesktop: nope |
| 02:46.56 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, even put it in fstab |
| 02:47.03 | undesktop | amphi: damn, how is it loaded on your system? :) |
| 02:47.03 | pinks | rpc: yea -well - it's great if I can get apt-get to work |
| 02:47.09 | TheZanke_ | Wyzard, both read only |
| 02:47.13 | graytron | Wyzard: heh i've had this problem for about a year now :) just thought i'd ask before etch is released! |
| 02:47.14 | rpc | pinks hm i thought you were on etch, sarge i would need to dig for a while for |
| 02:47.15 | amphi | undesktop: udev, I guess |
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| 02:47.28 | Wyzard | graytron: though if you're running sarge, you'll want to install hotplug |
| 02:47.29 | graytron | Wyzard: any resolution in sight? |
| 02:47.31 | undesktop | amphi: the ways of udev are urneasonable? |
| 02:47.36 | graytron | Wyzard: already have hotplug |
| 02:47.36 | rpc | pinks it's easy, try to google out sources.list, there are tons of those |
| 02:47.38 | pinks | rpc: it updates fine - but pkgs listed in debian.org package search are not found |
| 02:47.54 | Wyzard | graytron: but in etch, udev does the hotplug and boot-time hardware detection stuff itself |
| 02:47.57 | rpc | Wyzard hm... hotplug as for eth0 hotplug? |
| 02:48.06 | pinks | rpc: I've taken mirrors from debian.org |
| 02:48.08 | rpc | pinks hm |
| 02:48.28 | pinks | rpc: some leaf and some primary |
| 02:48.29 | Wyzard | rpc: no, hotplug in general... it's a kernel facility that's not specific to any particular type of device |
| 02:48.30 | amphi | undesktop: I know nothing about it ;) I had static /dev on sarge |
| 02:48.42 | rpc | Wyzard my eth0 installed as hot-pluggable... while i changed that to auto... could this be a cause of my networking hell? |
| 02:48.51 | amphi | undesktop: it Just Worked(TM) when I dist-upgraded |
| 02:48.56 | rpc | pinks 1 sec |
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| 02:49.03 | Wyzard | graytron: The issue undesktop and I were discussing is that udev fails to notice an IDE CD drive at boot time and load the "ide-cd" module... so you might need to load it manually by putting it in /etc/modules |
| 02:49.07 | undesktop | amphi: I had major problems |
| 02:49.10 | graytron | Wyzard: does "your problem" concernt etch or sid? |
| 02:49.22 | Wyzard | graytron: but once the module gets loaded, udev should set the correct ownership and permissions on it |
| 02:49.56 | Wyzard | graytron: The "how to get ide-cd loaded" part differs between sarge and etch, but the "setting permissions on the device file after ide-cd is loaded" *should* be the same on both |
| 02:49.57 | amphi | undesktop: you could just stick ide_cd in /etc/modules - or does that not work? |
| 02:50.08 | graytron | Wyzard: my idecd driver loads ok, just that the rule won't take effect until after manual udevrestart |
| 02:50.12 | undesktop | amphi: sure does that work |
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| 02:50.30 | undesktop | amphi: but I wonder what's wrong with my system... most likely I'll hit that issue again, or so |
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| 02:50.41 | rpc | pinks http://pastebin.ca/349880 |
| 02:50.51 | amphi | undesktop: hw? I guess |
| 02:50.51 | pinks | rpc: ta |
| 02:50.52 | Wyzard | rpc: I think that "allow-hotplug eth0" is meant to have the same effect as "auto eth0" but work better for removable devices... but I've seen it misbehave, and changed it back to "auto" |
| 02:51.05 | Sivik | Wyzard, how long should the flash take? its been almost 2 hours |
| 02:51.17 | undesktop | amphi: no, it's a standard ATAPI drive... at least nit was heh |
| 02:51.24 | Wyzard | Sivik: shouldn't have taken more than a few minutes |
| 02:51.24 | undesktop | nit = it |
| 02:51.32 | rpc | Wyzard how about the fact that my eth0 is virtual? and the other end is a bridge? should i set it to pluggable then? |
| 02:51.43 | undesktop | Wyzard: well, thank you for your help anyway |
| 02:51.50 | Sivik | Wyzard: then what did i do wrong, i got no light on port 1 now, and the power light is still flashing |
| 02:52.06 | wmn | why cant i download debian etch netinstall ? it says th elink is broken |
| 02:52.11 | Wyzard | rpc: possibly, yeah... a virtual interface might not generate a hotplug event since it doesn't correspond to a physical piece of hardware |
| 02:52.17 | graytron | Wyzard: so what's your rule like? :) and is there a solution to "how to make udev rules take effect in sarge" ? |
| 02:52.20 | rpc | wmn because netinstall is broken |
| 02:52.26 | Wyzard | rpc: Virtual interface with a bridge on the other end... is this a Xen domU? |
| 02:52.28 | rpc | wmn get daily build or get cd1 |
| 02:52.36 | rpc | Wyzard it's vbox |
| 02:52.40 | wmn | rpc, the how could i get it? |
| 02:52.49 | rpc | wmn cd1 or daily build? |
| 02:52.54 | Sivik | Wyzard, well, i can't ping the router now, and the only light that is on, is the power and its flashing |
| 02:52.58 | Wyzard | graytron: I'm running sid and my optical drive is SATA so I don't have that problem, but in your situation I'd just put ide-cd in /etc/modules |
| 02:53.00 | rpc | wmn some mirrors put them on, check around |
| 02:53.09 | Wyzard | rpc: ah |
| 02:53.21 | wmn | rpc, can u specify? |
| 02:53.36 | Wyzard | Sivik: I'd probably power-cycle it at this point... if it's dead it's dead, but waiting longer seems unlikely to make a difference |
| 02:53.39 | rpc | wmn try se mirror, i think i saw it there |
| 02:53.45 | rpc | ftp.se.debian.org |
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| 02:53.49 | Sivik | ok |
| 02:53.49 | MajorPayne | Is there anyway that I can run a custom script when the internet connection gets reset? |
| 02:54.28 | graytron | Wyzard: interesting if it fixes the problem :) i've never had a problem actually getting the module to load, just the permissions |
| 02:54.43 | Wyzard | graytron: oh, so your problem isn't that the driver doesn't get loaded? |
| 02:54.50 | Sivik | ok, now i have port one light back on and the power light is still flashing |
| 02:55.03 | itrebal | any ideas how to change my domain/hostname completely, including my mail server and all? |
| 02:55.06 | wmn | rpc, u men the cd image is not downloadable from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/? |
| 02:55.10 | graytron | Wyzard: right. my only problem is that udev doesn't set the permissions.. i should browse udev's bug reports on dbs |
| 02:55.12 | Wyzard | graytron: If it's with the permission setting itself, I dunno... I thought udev has always done that correctly; never seen problems with it myself as far as I can remember |
| 02:55.16 | MajorPayne | Is there anyway that I can run a custom script when the internet connection gets reset? |
| 02:55.45 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: Reset in what way? Cable unplug/replug? DHCP lease expired? |
| 02:55.46 | pinks | rpc: thanks - i'm running update now. I see these mention Sarge by name - does that mean I won't get the automatic upgrade when Etch goes stable? |
| 02:55.51 | rpc | wmn just don't use the netinstall -it's broken and you won't be able to complete the installation, if you have a fast link just grab cd1 and enjoy :) |
| 02:56.03 | graytron | Wyzard: running udevstart after the module is loaded by kernel fixes the permissions though |
| 02:56.04 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: When the router gets reset. |
| 02:56.13 | rpc | pinks no, you need proper mirrors again then |
| 02:56.17 | Wyzard | pinks: It won't upgrade automatically, but it's easy to upgrade when you want to |
| 02:56.29 | rpc | pinks btw etch is fine, really stable already |
| 02:56.38 | Sivik | Wyzard, its still flashing hte power button |
| 02:56.39 | undesktop | MajorPayne: my guess is /etc/network/if-down.d/ |
| 02:56.41 | Wyzard | graytron: dunno about that, sorry |
| 02:56.44 | pinks | rpc: cool -- thanks |
| 02:56.47 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: I have a server that needs to be reset when ever the internet connection goes down. |
| 02:56.52 | rpc | pinks i would just install etch i were you |
| 02:56.55 | TheZanke_ | brb |
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| 02:56.59 | graytron | Wyzard: ok :-) np |
| 02:56.59 | dav_ | elo |
| 02:57.00 | pinks | rpc: define "proper mirrors" please? |
| 02:57.10 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: Is the computer plugged directly into a port on a switch built into the router? |
| 02:57.16 | rpc | pinks the ones that hold etch packages |
| 02:57.28 | pinks | ok |
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| 02:57.56 | MajorPayne | The computer is connected directly into the router, sometimes the router needs to be reset. |
| 02:58.06 | Caelum | why the fuck does xine randomly refuse to play mp3s |
| 02:58.10 | pinks | rpc: my sources.list entries just said "stable" before.... is that correct? |
| 02:58.31 | undesktop | Caelum: it doesn't like you |
| 02:58.35 | Daveman | neeners :P~ |
| 02:58.35 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: Unplugging the router's power will look like an unplugged network cable as far as your computer is concerned, and it's possible to have scripts run in response to that |
| 02:58.44 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: I am thinking if-post-down.d/, can you suggest a place to go read about this? |
| 02:58.59 | dav_ | suppose that i m connected to a router that give me 5 public ip adress , i want to use a linux server as a second router/firewall, is it possible to put my linux in front and having by example 4 other computer with 4 ip PUBLIC connected to my linux ? |
| 02:59.00 | Caelum | Daveman! How goes the parsing? |
| 02:59.06 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: Yea, that's what I was thinking. |
| 02:59.14 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: but if you're talking about the ISP going out of service while the router still has electrical power, that's not something your computer even notices unless you set up some sort of monitoring system |
| 02:59.22 | pinks | rpc: and what about the non-us stuff? |
| 02:59.38 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: I'm not worryed about that. |
| 02:59.49 | Daveman | Caelum, great, I'm done. |
| 02:59.52 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: You can use the "ifplugd" package to have your system do ifdown/ifup in response to network cables being unplugged/replugged |
| 02:59.54 | dav_ | by example using linux as an IDS for the network |
| 03:00.02 | Caelum | awesome |
| 03:00.04 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: That way you can use if-post-down.d/ like you'd suggested |
| 03:00.21 | Sivik | Wyzard, that didn't do any good |
| 03:00.27 | Sivik | Wyzard: power light is still flashing |
| 03:00.29 | Daveman | Finished it up some time this afternoon, after running through 50,000 samples which pretty much targeted and eliminated any and all foreseeable runtime bugs |
| 03:00.30 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: Taking a step back: why does your server need to be reset every time the router gets reset? |
| 03:00.31 | Daveman | \o/ |
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| 03:00.40 | Daveman | I've actually got a nack for writing parsers :\ |
| 03:00.41 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: Ok, thanks, I will read the man pages, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. |
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| 03:00.54 | Daveman | and I kind of like doing it... in a sick way :D |
| 03:00.55 | Wyzard | Sivik: dunno then, sorry... I've never had that happen, and I have different hardware than you (WRT54GL, no VxWorks) and different custom firmware (OpenWRT) |
| 03:01.04 | Daveman | I just don't like to openly admit it, I suppose :D |
| 03:01.14 | Daveman | closet parser? :x (if there is such a thing?) :D |
| 03:01.53 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: It'd be better to just fix the problem at the source, though, so that your server doesn't need to be reset when the router goes down |
| 03:01.59 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: Ohh, I am not quite sure why, it is a teamspeak server, when the network comes back up, the TS server is still running, but no one can connect. |
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| 03:02.14 | undesktop | Daveman: what does it parse? |
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| 03:02.28 | MajorPayne | The server itself doesn't need to restart, just the TS server. |
| 03:02.38 | Guerin | pinks: i run sid and some 3rd-party stuff |
| 03:02.54 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: Might it be related to your external IP changing? |
| 03:03.02 | Daveman | it parses queries against an atrocious database output |
| 03:03.07 | Sivik | Wyzard, whats the different between dd-wrt and openwrt |
| 03:03.26 | pinks | Guerin: ok :-/ |
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| 03:03.31 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: and maybe restarting the TS server has a side effect of sending your (new) current IP to some metaserver? |
| 03:03.46 | Wyzard | Sivik: OpenWRT is more low-level... dd-wrt is based on it |
| 03:03.58 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: I have a domain name from no-ip.com, I can still ssh to the no-ip.com, but not connect to TS untill it is reset. |
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| 03:04.13 | Sivik | k |
| 03:04.16 | Daveman | heh |
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| 03:04.21 | Daveman | TS \o/ |
| 03:04.39 | Guerin | pinks: i don't recommend you do the same |
| 03:04.56 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: hmm... I dunno then, but you might want to look into using netstat on the TS server machine to see if you have some connections left in a weird state that are somehow causing problems for new ones |
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| 03:05.15 | pinks | Guerin: don't worry-- I won't ;-) old noob here |
| 03:05.24 | Wyzard | MajorPayne: and possibly use wireshark to look at an incoming connection attempt after a router reset |
| 03:05.34 | wmn | hi can any1 tell how can i download debian etch? |
| 03:05.48 | Wyzard | wmn: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:06.11 | William_1 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM ------------- exotics.ezbbforum.com .. |
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| 03:06.48 | wmn | Wyzard, but isnt the link broken? ive tried it once but was not able to complete the download |
| 03:07.14 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: Humm, I have no clue how to to that. |
| 03:07.26 | Wyzard | wmn: Lots of people download the files from there on a frequent basis |
| 03:07.40 | Sivik | Wyzard: i just flashed again with the original firmware, going to see if that fixes my problem |
| 03:08.13 | Sivik | it sent a whole bunch of 512 byte packets, sent 1556388 bytes in 7.2 seconds |
| 03:08.24 | Wyzard | Sivik: As I understand it, you've already removed the VxWorks bootloader, and you need to put that back before the stock firmware will work |
| 03:08.38 | Sivik | Wyzard, ok, how do i go about doing that? |
| 03:08.58 | wmn | Wyzard, but i was not able to download the netinst CD image |
| 03:09.08 | wmn | i386 |
| 03:09.11 | Wyzard | Sivik: I know nothing about that myself since my WRT doesn't use VxWorks... I refer you back to the web at this point |
| 03:09.21 | Wyzard | Sivik: particularly since all this is offtopic in #debian :-) |
| 03:09.30 | graytron | William_1: are those GNU films? |
| 03:09.35 | graytron | oh forum |
| 03:10.00 | Wyzard | wmn: could've been a problem on your end, or a temporary issue |
| 03:10.01 | Kevin` | Wyzard debian could run on it, if he had a model with 16mb+ of ram :) |
| 03:10.13 | dav_ | is it possible to install linux as a router for public internet adress( for doing IDS on the entire ublic network ) ? |
| 03:10.20 | Wyzard | wmn: Try it again; don't assume that just because it failed once in the past, the link is permanently broken |
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| 03:10.22 | Kevin` | yes dav_ |
| 03:10.33 | Sivik | I get to figure out where that is |
| 03:10.56 | Wyzard | Kevin`: It'd be nicer than OpenWRT-based firmwares too :-) |
| 03:10.59 | dav_ | Kevin`, but i don't understand because the second ethernet nterface must be configured how route publuc trafic ? |
| 03:11.13 | Kevin` | Wyzard openwrt is fairly nice IMO |
| 03:11.15 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Unfortunately, these routers only have 2MB or 4MB of "disk" (actually flash) |
| 03:11.15 | wmn | Wyzard, ok |
| 03:11.19 | Kevin` | esp considering the size |
| 03:11.22 | pinks | in sources.list - do I need to have .....deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free - as well as - deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free ? |
| 03:11.26 | Wyzard | Kevin`: It's nice, and I use it, but it has some limitations that bug me |
| 03:11.28 | Kevin` | Wyzard nfs :) |
| 03:11.39 | Kevin` | what limitations? |
| 03:11.43 | Wyzard | Kevin`: like its OpenVPN package doesn't support running in server mode |
| 03:11.55 | dav_ | Kevin`, do u know any good doc explaning the installtion (hardware) and software |
| 03:12.16 | Kevin` | if you poke me enough i'll make you one for mipsel that does Wyzard :) |
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| 03:12.34 | Wyzard | Kevin`: and its firewall is a little hand-written script and not something robust like FireHOL |
| 03:12.49 | dav_ | i don't want to do NAT |
| 03:12.51 | crm_ | hi.. im having trouble getting a serial mouse to work |
| 03:12.55 | apk | How do I get dhclient to not overwrite the /etc/resolv.conf when my vpn client is connected? |
| 03:13.14 | Wyzard | Kevin`: The OpenVPN is actually just with the initscript, and FireHOL could probably be made to work since that's just a big shell script anyway... but it'd involve deviating significantly from the standard configuration, which means upgrade issues, etc. |
| 03:13.57 | Wyzard | dav_: You want to build a router for a network where all the machines inside have "real" globally-valid IP addresses? |
| 03:13.59 | Kevin` | Wyzard if your using 2.4 you could put debian on an SD card :) |
| 03:14.25 | dav_ | Wyzard, exactly that in order ton analyse traffic with snort |
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| 03:14.43 | Wyzard | Kevin`: no SD slot on a Linksys router... and yes, it's 2.4; no 2.6 available which means no possibility of stateful IPv6 firewalling |
| 03:15.11 | dav_ | Wyzard, what word can i goolge to find a way to do that |
| 03:15.13 | Kevin` | Wyzard you have to add the slot. 2.6 works but the wifi is hard because of broadcom |
| 03:15.21 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I'm strongly considering building a small low-power VIA C7-based box (cost: around $250 USD), running Debian, to act as a router in place of my Linksys |
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| 03:16.18 | Kevin` | go for it |
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| 03:16.38 | Wyzard | dav_: Fundamentally all you should need to do is set up the routing table appropriately and then "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" |
| 03:17.28 | MajorPayne | Wyzard: You say the ifplugd will run the scripts found in /etc/network/if-post-down.d/? |
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| 03:17.43 | dav_ | Wyzard, and connect a switch to the second ethernet interface and dhcp will give real adress ? |
| 03:17.46 | Wyzard | dav_: There's a config file somewhere that you can use to enable ip_forward automatically at boot time, though I don't remember what file it is |
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| 03:18.04 | amphi | Wyzard: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 03:18.05 | MajorPayne | When the network is "post down". |
| 03:18.08 | Caelum | xmms2 is pretty friggin' confusing |
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| 03:18.19 | Kevin` | where can I put commands to be run when a specific pcmcia device is insertes |
| 03:18.24 | Wyzard | dav_: The machines behind the router get their (real, globally-valid) IP addresses via DHCP? |
| 03:18.30 | enveezee | Caelum: yep I installed it to check it out and ended up removing it within minutes |
| 03:18.52 | enveezee | Caelum: its by no means a replacement or alternative to xmms its a whole different program |
| 03:18.57 | dav_ | Wyzard, via dhcp or on a static mode ... |
| 03:19.07 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I'd actually be splitting it up into several domains with Xen -- one for the hardened router, one for DHCP/DNS/etc., one for Snort, and maybe a DMZ server or something |
| 03:19.16 | Caelum | enveezee: amarok is pretty awesome, except it randomly stops playing mp3 streams for me because of xine, which means I have to use good old xmms |
| 03:19.23 | Wyzard | dav_: Actually, thinking about it, if your goal is to run Snort, you don't want a router at all, you want a bridge |
| 03:19.30 | dav_ | Wyzard, but not else config than ipforward and it will work ? (with public intrnet ip) ? |
| 03:19.31 | Caelum | enveezee: and I've heard of other people with the same problem |
| 03:19.45 | Sivik | it just worked |
| 03:19.52 | enveezee | Caelum: amarok offers at last check, 3 different engine backends |
| 03:20.00 | Kevin` | Wyzard I assume youll be using a normal card drive instead of CF then? |
| 03:20.09 | Caelum | enveezee: really? I only see xine...maybe I haven't installed something |
| 03:20.14 | Wyzard | Kevin`: yeah, I have a spare 20GB sitting around and that's plenty |
| 03:20.29 | dav_ | Wyzard, that s that making a bridge but not a pot_forwarding or something like that, i just want the other cmputer to be accessible (ping) from internet |
| 03:20.42 | enveezee | Caelum: yep, arts, gstreamer, and xine |
| 03:20.53 | TheZanke | how do i make it so the devices mounted inside fstab (or specific ones) dont get hidden in Computer:/// |
| 03:20.55 | enveezee | Caelum: the metapackage for all 3 is amarok-engines |
| 03:21.07 | dav_ | Wyzard, but my linux sniffing the net with the ids |
| 03:21.19 | Kevin` | dav_ do you want to make an l2 bridge? |
| 03:21.23 | Kevin` | or a router |
| 03:21.25 | Wyzard | Kevin`: The hard drive and PSU fans will be the only moving parts |
| 03:21.28 | Kevin` | both can be done |
| 03:21.30 | dav_ | Kevin`, what is l2? |
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| 03:21.37 | enveezee | Caelum: individual packages are amarok-arts amarok-gstreamer and amarok-xine |
| 03:21.39 | Kevin` | ethernet level sorry |
| 03:21.45 | wmn | Wyzard, no i cant download it from there ive tried it many times i think this is almost the 10th time or so |
| 03:21.53 | Wyzard | dav_: You bridge eth0 and eth1 together into br0, and then tell Snort to sniff on br0 |
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| 03:22.03 | dav_ | look suppose public internet adres are 15.15.15.0-5 |
| 03:22.15 | enveezee | Caelum: I've never had any problems with xine or amarok-xine but then again I've never used streaming content either |
| 03:22.21 | Wyzard | dav_: That way Snort sees all the traffic, but the traffic passes through unmodified -- to the rest of the network your bridge machine just looks like an Ethernet switch |
| 03:22.26 | eitan | How can I play windows media files (like .asx files) in debian? |
| 03:22.34 | dav_ | router 15.15.15.1 and other host 15.2 15.3 etc... but behind the linux box |
| 03:22.35 | Kevin` | where can I put commands to be run when a specific pcmcia device is inserted? I need to load firmware |
| 03:22.41 | enveezee | eitan: w32codecs /msg dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 03:22.59 | Caelum | enveezee: I don't have those...I'm using unstable, all I have is amarok-xine |
| 03:23.03 | dav_ | Wyzard, yes but linux canblock anyway ? |
| 03:23.08 | dav_ | Wyzard, or no ? |
| 03:23.10 | enveezee | eitan: those are not dfsg compliant so you need the debian-multimedia source in your sources.list |
| 03:23.22 | itrebal | any ideas how to change my domain/hostname completely, including my mail server and all? |
| 03:23.26 | enveezee | !+info amarok-gstreamer |
| 03:23.28 | dpkg | Package 'amarok-gstreamer' does not exist. |
| 03:23.32 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Usually the driver (kernel module) loads the firmware when the module is loaded |
| 03:23.40 | enveezee | Caelum: weird, they arent in unstable I guess |
| 03:23.41 | Kevin` | you can block packets on a bridge, lookup ebtables |
| 03:23.50 | enveezee | !+info amarok-gstreamer etch |
| 03:23.52 | dpkg | Package 'amarok-gstreamer' does not exist. |
| 03:23.54 | Kevin` | Wyzard well this doesnt seem to. hostap |
| 03:24.07 | enveezee | Caelum: they appear to only be in sarge.. I wonder why that is |
| 03:24.08 | Wyzard | dav_: What sort of blocking do you want to do? AFAIK Snort is a passive sniffer and doesn't block anything |
| 03:24.13 | Kevin` | if you can help me make it do so id be happy of course |
| 03:24.24 | eitan | enveezee: Sorry for my ignorance... what do I do with that command that you just gave me? |
| 03:24.43 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I haven't used hostap, but what steps do you normally have to take to load the firmware? |
| 03:24.49 | Kevin` | Wyzard moment. |
| 03:24.57 | dav_ | Wyzard, by example port scanning from an ip x.x.x.x, sbort can execute a iptable command to block all traffic to that ip for 10 minutes |
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| 03:25.21 | Wyzard | dav_: OK, so IP-layer firewalling |
| 03:25.21 | dav_ | s/sbort/snort :) |
| 03:25.38 | enveezee | eitan: the /msg dpkg debian-multimedia, is an IRC command to message our infobot dpkg which will tell you about the debian-multimedia package mirror and how to set it up |
| 03:25.44 | enveezee | eitan: you type it in here |
| 03:25.52 | Kevin` | Wyzard http://kwzs.be/~kevin/blah.txt |
| 03:25.55 | dav_ | Wyzard, also looking for streams containing things like Cmd.exe ... |
| 03:25.59 | Wyzard | dav_: In that case I guess it'd be simpler to just use a router rather than a bridge |
| 03:26.10 | enveezee | eitan: once you've configured debian-multimedia source, you install w32codecs /msg dpkg w32codecs |
| 03:26.19 | dav_ | Wyzard, but with a router no linux utilisation :) |
| 03:26.37 | Wyzard | dav_: I don't understand that sentence... no Linux utilization? |
| 03:26.40 | Wyzard | Kevin`: eww :-) |
| 03:26.41 | Caelum | enveezee: now this is even weirder...2 days ago amarok would play streams fine, after I reinstalled some xine stuff, I changed nothing just rebooted, and now it says it can't find a suitable input stream while gxine plays it fine...guess it's kde related |
| 03:26.45 | dav_ | Wyzard, but sure don"t need any special config more than a kernel support for ethernet bridge ? |
| 03:26.55 | eitan | enveezee: ok... now if I'm successful with that, will I be able to play windows media files in totem? |
| 03:27.07 | Wyzard | dav_: Neither routing nor bridging needs special kernel configuration... both are supported by Debian's kernels |
| 03:27.31 | dav_ | Wyzard, that strnge i cant found a confi of that type on google :( |
| 03:27.38 | enveezee | Caelum: I dunno I am mildly curious.. I joined #amarok and #debian-kde to try investigate.. I was asking #amarok if they know if the engines are not being supported/maintained upstream anymore for some reason |
| 03:27.58 | enveezee | eitan: yes, you should be able to play quicktime, real media, windows media..etc with that |
| 03:28.23 | enveezee | eitan: those formats arent Debian Free Software Guidelines compatible so you need that 3rd-party source to install the |
| 03:28.40 | Wyzard | dav_: The tricky thing with routing if you use DHCP is that you'd have to somehow configure both interfaces to use the same IP address even though the address is assigned dynamically |
| 03:28.56 | dav_ | Wyzard, config shld be that, router<--Linux eth0(public adress -- linux eth1 (public too)--SWITCH --ALL PCS with publics adresses |
| 03:29.28 | Wyzard | dav_: Yes, that's true in both the router and bridge cases |
| 03:29.55 | dav_ | Wyzard, you say ath0 and eth1 same ip ??? |
| 03:30.02 | dav_ | s/ath/eth |
| 03:30.23 | Wyzard | dav_: I don't know whether they should be or not, actually... but they'd both have to be assigned by DHCP, right? |
| 03:30.40 | Wyzard | dav_: and only one of them is actually connected to the external network where the DHCP server is |
| 03:30.48 | Kevin` | in a bridge, br0 should have the ap, the interfaces should not |
| 03:30.50 | dav_ | i think beacuse the router can give that ips in dhcp |
| 03:31.04 | Kevin` | ip* |
| 03:31.05 | Wyzard | Kevin`: We're talking about the router configuration in this case |
| 03:31.26 | dav_ | Wyzard, no i want them to be all connected :) |
| 03:31.32 | Wyzard | Kevin`: since he wants to do IP firewalling, presumably stateful, I'm not sure whether a bridge is appropriate |
| 03:31.43 | Wyzard | otherwise I'd say definitely the bridge |
| 03:31.58 | dav_ | Wyzard, but no 192.168. bla just internet normal ip pingable from the net |
| 03:32.16 | enveezee | Caelum: I am being told the other engines arent stable in the current stable distribution but work is being done for the next upcomming KDE release to include more engines |
| 03:32.40 | Wyzard | dav_: What I mean is, your router's "internal" network card, connected to your switch, is not directly connected to the external network |
| 03:32.46 | enveezee | Caelum: I'd join #amarok, we are talking about your issues in there now |
| 03:32.57 | dav_ | Wyzard, yes not directly |
| 03:33.13 | Wyzard | dav_: so having it get an IP address by DHCP from the external network is tricky |
| 03:33.41 | dav_ | Wyzard, but anyway for routing problem even with a ip_forward =1 i will have to use iptable with tthe masquerade command but with public ip |
| 03:33.55 | Wyzard | dav_: No, you wouldn't be using masquerading |
| 03:33.57 | dav_ | Wyzard, why is it tricky |
| 03:34.23 | dav_ | Wyzard, ha ok :) every card will know how to communicatewith each other without my intervention so ? |
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| 03:35.08 | Wyzard | dav_: because DHCP works by broadcast packets on the local Ethernet segment... the card connected to your LAN will be broadcasting DHCP requests on your LAN, but that's not where the DHCP server is |
| 03:35.34 | dav_ | Wyzard, proxying the arp ? :) |
| 03:35.45 | lunar | anyone familiar with the BOINC client? (yes I already tried #boinc, they're all asleep) |
| 03:36.14 | Wyzard | dav_: Proxy ARP doesn't help with DHCP requests |
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| 03:37.17 | dav_ | Wyzard, even if you proxy the arp of the other segment to the other interface (eth0) ? |
| 03:37.18 | Wyzard | dav_: The packet filtering is the wrench in the works... if you just wanted to do passive monitoring with Snort, it'd be very straightforward: set up a bridge and run Snort on it |
| 03:37.42 | Wyzard | dav_: A bridge acts like a switch as far as the rest of the network is concerned so you'd have no issues with DHCP |
| 03:38.09 | dav_ | Wyzard, i wld have to configure a second dhcp serrver for eth1 ? |
| 03:38.21 | Wyzard | No, that doesn't make any sense |
| 03:38.40 | Wyzard | Your DHCP server is provided by your ISP and it's what hands out Internet-valid IP addresses, right? |
| 03:38.50 | dav_ | yes |
| 03:38.53 | dav_ | haaaaaa okkkkkk |
| 03:39.05 | Wyzard | You can't just set up your own and decide what IPs to give yourself |
| 03:39.06 | dav_ | i understand |
| 03:39.15 | dav_ | sure |
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| 03:39.32 | Kevin` | Wyzard he probably can. I suspect it's done at his modem or other isp on-location device |
| 03:39.34 | dav_ | so the only solution cld be static ip ? |
| 03:40.00 | Kevin` | I believe it's possible to proxy dhcp requests. |
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| 03:40.19 | Wyzard | Kevin`: It is, but that's additional complexity that I'm trying to avoid if possbile |
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| 03:42.26 | dav_ | Wyzard, and Kevin anywa thank ou for your realy usefull hemps ;) |
| 03:42.32 | dav_ | s/hemp/helps |
| 03:42.47 | eitan | enveezee: I got the www.debian-multimedia.org source added, but I cannot seem to find or download the debian-multimedia package. |
| 03:42.47 | graytron | any plans on fixing the reportbug package in unstable so that it would at least always compile on the latest stable? without errors and --ENFORCEMENTs |
| 03:43.23 | Wyzard | dav_: I know it's possible to do some level of IP firewalling on a Linux bridge... I set up a bridge recently and discovered that it didn't work if the iptables INPUT and OUTPUT chains were set to DROP packets on the bridged interfaces |
| 03:43.45 | Wyzard | dav_: so you might want to look into that... you might be able to create your bridge and do the filtering too |
| 03:43.49 | Wyzard | dav_: which would be ideal, really |
| 03:43.54 | dav_ | Wyzard, ok |
| 03:44.41 | Wyzard | dav_: Install bridge-utils and look at its README.Debian for info on how to configure /etc/network/interfaces to create a bridge |
| 03:45.02 | dav_ | completely different, i have a project for wich i have to found realy low cost machines just to install linux on hem without screen etc... anyone have an idea where to find that |
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| 03:45.25 | Wyzard | dav_: Your bridge will be called something like "br0"; set that up, then configure Snort to monitor br0, and check that everything works at that point |
| 03:45.27 | dav_ | Wyzard, i have directed my search on Linux EThernet bridges thks |
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| 03:45.33 | enveezee | eitan: there is no debian-multimedia package |
| 03:45.35 | Wyzard | dav_: then look into using iptables on eth0 for the filtering |
| 03:45.40 | dav_ | Wyzard, yes i have seen it with brctl |
| 03:45.45 | enveezee | eitan: the package you want is called w32codecs |
| 03:45.52 | eitan | enveezee: oh! ok... |
| 03:46.03 | enveezee | eitan: contains propriatary codecs for quicktime, real media, windows media..etc |
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| 03:46.14 | enveezee | eitan: apt-cache show w32codecs for a list of supported formate |
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| 03:48.47 | rue_mohr | whats the least downloading I can do now to install a system? |
| 03:48.57 | centrx | 1.44MB |
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| 03:49.05 | rue_mohr | to get it started, I dont want ot download all of cd 1 for install |
| 03:49.06 | centrx | maybe 2.88 |
| 03:49.09 | centrx | you do'nt need to |
| 03:49.19 | centrx | if you don't have a floppy drive, download a net install CD |
| 03:49.19 | rue_mohr | I can make a cd, rather it not be 700M |
| 03:49.20 | centrx | about 100MB |
| 03:49.24 | rue_mohr | ok, |
| 03:49.31 | rue_mohr | can you point me to the image? |
| 03:49.33 | Kevin` | I like to keep root filesystem tarballs on hand :) |
| 03:49.33 | centrx | and then any additional software you want to install is downloaded on-demand |
| 03:49.50 | Ronin | !tell rue_mohr about d-i |
| 03:49.52 | centrx | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 03:50.41 | rue_mohr | is there a particular reason not to use the 50M bus card one? |
| 03:51.03 | enveezee | ok I can't figure this out attaching strace to mozilla-firefox in sarge is spewing no such device errors on /dev/snd/controlC0 when it exists -rw-rw---- root audio, and the user is a member of the audio group |
| 03:51.06 | unlink | how do i get /etc/security/limits.conf to apply to sudo sessions? |
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| 03:51.20 | Wyzard | dav_: brctl will create a bridge but won't recreate it when you reboot... you can configure /etc/network/interfaces to do the brctl stuff automatically at startup |
| 03:51.20 | SerajewelKS | what the fuck |
| 03:51.44 | dav_ | ok |
| 03:51.46 | SerajewelKS | i hibernated my laptop with a connection to my desktop's sshd still open |
| 03:52.05 | SerajewelKS | an hour later when i powered the laptop back on, the connection is still responding |
| 03:52.06 | centrx | rue_mohr not that I know of |
| 03:52.16 | Wyzard | dav_: I believe it's something like |
| 03:52.22 | dav_ | Wyzard, do you know any company that sell dedicated server ( not rent) |
| 03:52.22 | Wyzard | dav_: iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 03:52.28 | Wyzard | dav_: bridge_ports eth0 eth1 |
| 03:52.33 | rue_mohr | making a bridge? |
| 03:52.35 | centrx | rue_mohr but you would still need to download the rest to install |
| 03:52.42 | Wyzard | dav_: but /usr/share/doc/bridge_utils/README.Debian.gz will tell you the details |
| 03:53.46 | rue_mohr | I can give you interfaces lines for auto upping a bridge |
| 03:53.46 | centrx | rue_mohr it looks like the bus card is not a complete installation |
| 03:53.46 | rue_mohr | would you like? |
| 03:53.46 | dav_ | hum i have seen it different, 0.0.0.0 ip adress for eth0 and 1 |
| 03:53.47 | dav_ | and br0 with the ip |
| 03:53.47 | Kevin` | that's how it hsould be.. |
| 03:53.47 | unlink | it seems that they are completely ignored when i sudo -i -u to someone |
| 03:53.47 | Wyzard | dav_: You don't configure IP addresses at all on eth0 and eth1 when you use a bridge |
| 03:53.47 | Kevin` | effectively |
| 03:53.47 | rue_mohr | on my bridge |
| 03:53.47 | Wyzard | dav_: so you don't have "iface" entries for eth0 and eth1 in your interfaces file, only for br0 |
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| 03:53.47 | rue_mohr | only the interface to the router has an address |
| 03:53.48 | rue_mohr | and the bridge has an address |
| 03:53.55 | rue_mohr | they are different adresses |
| 03:53.57 | sivik | Wyzard, ok, i got the dd-wrt thing installed, and now the linksys won't talk to my cable modem, what am i doing wrong |
| 03:54.01 | dav_ | rue_mohr, and all your other hosts are "pingable from outside" ? |
| 03:54.02 | Wyzard | rue_mohr: He's not creating a router, just a pure bridge |
| 03:54.16 | rue_mohr | yes, I use a pure bridge |
| 03:54.22 | rue_mohr | I have 1 jack into my room |
| 03:54.30 | rue_mohr | and I bridge two interfaces to use my laptop to |
| 03:54.35 | Wyzard | dav_: A bridge acts like a switch... yes, people from outside can ping through it |
| 03:54.49 | rue_mohr | bridge Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:6E:78:AD:14 |
| 03:54.50 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.54 | rue_mohr | eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:C8:DF:7C:7B |
| 03:54.54 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:54.56 | dav_ | rue_mohr, your isp give you severals ip ? |
| 03:55.00 | rue_mohr | eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0C:6E:78:AD:14 |
| 03:55.00 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:55.10 | krenin | Hi folks. |
| 03:55.10 | SerajewelKS | !tell rue_mohr about paste |
| 03:55.10 | rue_mohr | no, I have a router on the isp |
| 03:55.14 | rue_mohr | sorry! |
| 03:55.22 | rue_mohr | it was only 6 lines |
| 03:55.25 | dav_ | rue_mohr, no you ar not pingable from utside you have privat ips... |
| 03:55.44 | rue_mohr | oh he has no router? |
| 03:56.17 | sivik | Wyzard, are you alive |
| 03:56.26 | Wyzard | sivik: yeah, I'm here |
| 03:56.38 | dav_ | rue_mohr, the problem is different i have sevral server and client atht NEED to have public adress so i just want linux to give them that and use snort(ids) on it to prevent and logs som attacks |
| 03:56.47 | Wyzard | sivik: but now you're asking about how to configure dd-wrt, which I have no idea about and is offtopic here |
| 03:56.49 | sivik | Wyzard, whats causing the new firmware to not see the cable modem, i can't ping to it or anything |
| 03:56.53 | sivik | Wyzard, ok |
| 03:57.28 | rue_mohr | http://rafb.net/p/Zqg6gd84.html |
| 03:57.28 | rue_mohr | I offer you that anyhow |
| 03:57.28 | dav_ | ok thks |
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| 03:57.35 | Wyzard | rue_mohr: He's doing a pure bridge between his LAN and the Internet -- no masquerading or private IPs |
| 03:57.45 | rue_mohr | thats a pure bridge |
| 03:57.59 | Wyzard | rue_mohr: just a way to stick Snort monitoring in the middle of an Ethernet cable leading to the ISP, basically |
| 03:58.26 | rue_mohr | you looked at that paste, right? |
| 03:59.35 | eitan | enveezee: Ok... I got the w32codecs and installed it, but I still can't seem to play a .asx file ... totem says "There is no plugin to handle this movie." |
| 03:59.36 | krenin | I got a CD Audio recorder from eBay recently and I'm using Audacity and K3B on Debian GNU/Linux to clean up the recorded tracks and burn to CDRs... :) |
| 03:59.55 | rue_mohr | eisen, I notice the availabel plugins change between users |
| 04:00.01 | dav_ | i have think about something on ip_fporwarding, when you try to access a port on a server there is a time delay, but when the server is inside a private network and the server just forward the port, the delay for the response will be longer so an attacker can know if it's on the server or forwrded in an internal ne no ? |
| 04:00.05 | rue_mohr | root seems to be the only one who can use all the plugins |
| 04:00.29 | dav_ | s/net/net |
| 04:01.13 | rue_mohr | does iptraf need an interface to have an ip to listen to it? |
| 04:01.52 | dav_ | don't know |
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| 04:02.29 | mfrisch | rue_mohr: it needs to be configured "up" |
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| 04:02.41 | rue_mohr | that which I posted works |
| 04:02.46 | rue_mohr | thats what I use |
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| 04:03.13 | rue_mohr | the ifconfig ethx 0.0.0.0 brings it up |
| 04:03.17 | rue_mohr | with no address |
| 04:03.34 | Wyzard | Don't do that |
| 04:03.38 | Wyzard | Just "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 04:03.48 | Wyzard | or better yet, "ip link set eth0 up" |
| 04:03.49 | rue_mohr | no, because it might come up with a previous address |
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| 04:03.56 | rue_mohr | right |
| 04:04.05 | rue_mohr | if youhave ipv2 installed |
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| 04:04.11 | rue_mohr | er, whatever |
| 04:04.46 | Wyzard | The previous address should've been removed when it was brought down |
| 04:05.01 | Wyzard | You don't want it to be configured with an address of 0.0.0.0... you want it to have no IP address at all |
| 04:05.28 | rue_mohr | Wyzard, have you ever done a bridge? |
| 04:05.47 | rue_mohr | I need to ask |
| 04:05.58 | Wyzard | ah... apparently ifconfig actually removes the address from the interface when you tell it 0.0.0.0 |
| 04:06.00 | rue_mohr | they aren't that common |
| 04:06.08 | Wyzard | rue_mohr: yes, I have on a few occasions |
| 04:06.09 | rue_mohr | :) |
| 04:06.10 | eitan | How do I get debian/gnome/totem to play .asx (windows media) files ? I already installed the w32codecs from the debian-multimedia.org source. Totem sees them as installed plugins, but it still can't play the windows media files. |
| 04:06.12 | rue_mohr | ok |
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| 04:06.21 | Wyzard | rue_mohr: but I've never need to explicitly configure anything with 0.0.0.0 |
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| 04:06.30 | rue_mohr | fair enough |
| 04:06.44 | mfrisch | rue_mohr: what is the point of all of this |
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| 04:06.55 | Kevin` | you need to configure it as 0.0.0.0 if it already has an assigned address |
| 04:06.59 | rue_mohr | what is the point of anything really? |
| 04:07.24 | rue_mohr | I thought someone wanted to know how to make a bridge, ans since I had a pretty interesting time with it I wanted to offer what I knew |
| 04:07.25 | mfrisch | eitan: some are supported some aren't see if you can find one that works |
| 04:07.26 | Wyzard | Kevin`: but if it's being used as a component of a bridge, why would it already have an IP of its own? |
| 04:07.39 | enveezee | well after running alsaconf I got a new error message trying to open /dev/snd/controlC0 it was "no such device" now its "File descriptor in a bad state" wtf does this mean for me? what do I do about it? |
| 04:07.49 | rue_mohr | I had an interesting time figuring out which interface to apply the dhcp to |
| 04:07.56 | Kevin` | Wyzard it shouldn't if the box is booting initially, but usually when I set up something like this i'm changing an existing configuratino |
| 04:08.06 | Wyzard | ah, ok... I see what you mean |
| 04:08.16 | eitan | mfrisch: can you point me to a website where I can do some testing to see what totem can/can't play now that I installed the codecs? |
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| 04:08.32 | rue_mohr | I'm just offering up what I know |
| 04:08.38 | eitan | mfrisch: should it be able to play .asx? |
| 04:08.39 | rue_mohr | you dont have to listen to me |
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| 04:08.50 | rue_mohr | nobody has to do anything |
| 04:09.00 | Kevin` | eitan could you send me the .asx file? |
| 04:09.15 | rue_mohr | and alot of people take the opportunity to do along of nothing... |
| 04:09.53 | itrebal | why is it so common to run BIND in a chroot jail? it seems that every single page on chroot is about BIND |
| 04:09.59 | eitan | Kevin: I can point you to it. It's just a random sample from the allmusic main page. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=50:xalvad4k48w1~R |
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| 04:10.40 | Kevin` | it saved it as "amg.dll", odd |
| 04:10.55 | mfrisch | eitan: not much into webpages with films...I know nba.com doesn't work. I need to get that working on a friends box. if it doesn't offend you goto a p0rn movie site they usually have multiple formats to test. I have had better luck with the kmplayer plugin |
| 04:11.01 | Kevin` | $ file amg.dll |
| 04:11.01 | Kevin` | amg.dll: ASCII text, with very long lines, with no line terminators |
| 04:11.02 | Wyzard | itrebal: Older versions of BIND have a poor security track record |
| 04:11.06 | Kevin` | I don't think that link was correct |
| 04:11.14 | itrebal | ok |
| 04:11.18 | Wyzard | itrebal: I think BIND 9 is better, though I'm not really sure |
| 04:11.25 | itrebal | alright |
| 04:11.58 | itrebal | when using chroot, how can I change to a different user to run the daemon? should I do it before or after I chroot? |
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| 04:12.11 | enveezee | eitan: see the supported formats like I said it should show a list in apt-cache show w32codecs |
| 04:12.12 | eitan | mfrisch: It's not movies that I'm trying to play. It's just song samples. |
| 04:12.45 | enveezee | eitan: it only supports certain versions of windows media |
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| 04:12.56 | eitan | enveezee: yes, I know. I did that. It is not specific about what file extensions it supports. It says windows movie player 9.0 but I don't know if that includes .asx or not. |
| 04:14.21 | enveezee | eitan: it includes version 9.0 ;) |
| 04:14.21 | mfrisch | eitan: that can be site specific. wma should be supported easily. |
| 04:14.21 | Kevin` | eitan give me a non-direct link, it's just giving me a maze of text files. |
| 04:14.21 | eitan | enveezee: well... .asx is not a new type. |
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| 04:14.22 | TheZanke | hey cool it worked |
| 04:14.22 | enveezee | eitan: you should be able to get stream info with most players that will tell you the specific format |
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| 04:14.27 | TheZanke | or did it... |
| 04:14.36 | mfrisch | eitan: I think its a new container...the transport. the codec is the same |
| 04:14.40 | eitan | Kevin`: Ok... go to www.allmusic.com and click on any icon that looks like a small light blue loudspeaker... which is usually next to the small blue shopping cart. It should then try to play an .asx file. |
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| 04:15.06 | eitan | enveezee: well totem is not saying anything more that is helpful. |
| 04:15.29 | eitan | mfrisch: ok... well then why doesn't it play? It's very odd. |
| 04:15.55 | TheZanke | it says in xchat to seperate the join channel on connect channels with commas.... is that with no spaces... or [space],[space] |
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| 04:16.38 | enveezee | eitan: oh well I pretty much told you all I know |
| 04:16.46 | TheZanke_ | nvm |
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| 04:16.48 | TheZanke_ | got it |
| 04:16.52 | mfrisch | eitan: it plays fine for me...I opened it with kmplayer using xine as a backend |
| 04:17.01 | TheZanke_ | nick TheZanke |
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| 04:17.38 | karsten | Trying to set up a bootp/tftpd server briefly. Where do I store netboot images? |
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| 04:17.43 | eitan | mfrisch: what exactly played fine? Can you give me the link? |
| 04:18.18 | Kevin` | eitan eitan I got it to work by playing the mms:// url from inside the asx file |
| 04:18.50 | mfrisch | eitan: I went to big band...I don't know it did not open a mozilla plugin it asked if I wanted to open or save I opened in kmplayer buffered played. |
| 04:19.50 | eitan | mfrisch: so you think kmplayer will work where totem does not? |
| 04:20.05 | eitan | Kevin`: I don't know how to do that. How did you do that? |
| 04:20.24 | Kevin` | mplayer "mms://sg5.allmusic.com/000wma_28/s132/s13292/s1329235/s132923527dk71b.wma" |
| 04:21.00 | mfrisch | eitan: I think it is..it can use two backends xine or mplayer I tried xine so maybe just xine by itself would work. |
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| 04:22.08 | eitan | mfrisch: well my totem is a front end for xine... shouldn't it work? |
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| 04:22.20 | Gokee2 | how do I restart my cups server? |
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| 04:22.41 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.42 | Kevin` | or similar |
| 04:22.59 | Surferdude | anyone know how to establish a null-modem connection to a serial port? |
| 04:23.18 | Kevin` | Surferdude with a null-modem serial cable |
| 04:23.18 | Gokee2 | Kevin`, bash: /etc/init.d/cups: No such file or directory |
| 04:23.28 | Kevin` | Gokee2 anything similar there? |
| 04:23.34 | fsmunoz | probably cupsys |
| 04:23.44 | Surferdude | Erm, maybe i didn't phrase that right |
| 04:23.59 | Surferdude | have a perepheral that communicates via serial port |
| 04:24.13 | Kevin` | screen /dev/ttyS0 9600 |
| 04:24.14 | Kevin` | example |
| 04:24.20 | Kevin` | I like to use screen for some reason |
| 04:24.21 | Surferdude | thanks |
| 04:24.21 | Gokee2 | Kevin`, I have not been able to find anything cups/printish like there... Thats why I asked here :) |
| 04:24.25 | Kevin` | but there's lots of programs that work |
| 04:24.35 | mfrisch | eitan: its working any way I try it. mplayer gstreamer xine what happens when you click one? |
| 04:25.17 | Kevin` | Gokee2 well I don't have any debian machine running cups to look, but on gentoo it's /etc/init.d/cupsd |
| 04:26.21 | Gokee2 | ah the server was not installed! No wonder I could not find it |
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| 04:26.51 | Surferdude | any way to send an AT commands via screen? |
| 04:27.13 | Surferdude | ( this is why i was trying to use minicom) |
| 04:27.22 | eitan | mfrisch: I don't have mplayer installed. As far as xine, I have totem-xine installed and that tells me "Totem could not play 'http://sg1.allmusic.com/cg/smp.dll?link=ryftlidepakfucsvrswawe8=20.asx'. |
| 04:27.23 | eitan | There is no plugin to handle this movie." |
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| 04:28.09 | eitan | mfrisch: When I tried to install gstreamer... it made totem unable to play anything, so I had to uninstall gstreamer, and reinstall xine. |
| 04:28.57 | eitan | mfrisch: should I install mplayer and try that? |
| 04:29.03 | mfrisch | eitan: is it just open xine's moz pluggin? or the actual program. |
| 04:29.33 | mfrisch | eitan: what browser |
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| 04:30.17 | hark | eitan: just install mozilla-mplayer and be done with it... |
| 04:30.19 | eitan | mfrisch: no... I'm using firefox, and it does not spawn a plugin... it just runs totem automatically and tries to play. |
| 04:30.39 | eitan | hark: ok... I'll try ... hold on. |
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| 04:32.15 | neekofab | eitan you could also try apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 04:32.39 | mfrisch | kmplayer lets you record stuff |
| 04:32.44 | mfrisch | and has a plugin |
| 04:32.45 | sivik | Wyzard, how would i go about figuring out if the vlan0 or the vlan1 port is the wan port |
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| 04:33.19 | eitan | neekofab: I installed mozilla-plugin-vlc already. |
| 04:33.43 | neekofab | eitan vlc & mplayer pretty much play anything possible |
| 04:33.48 | Wyzard | sivik: read the documentation |
| 04:34.03 | sivik | Wyzard, already doing that, it doesn't say, at the the user guide for the hw doesn't say |
| 04:34.25 | eitan | neekofab: well neekofab, nothing seems to be working now... if you could help me out ... maybe in another room out of people's way, I'd appreciate it. |
| 04:34.27 | Wyzard | sivik: I mean the dd-wrt documentation, not the LInksys manual |
| 04:34.45 | sivik | ok |
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| 04:35.03 | a1fa | tell me about etch |
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| 04:35.40 | hark | a1fa: /msg dpkg etch |
| 04:35.48 | neekofab | eitan checked out www.debian-multimedia.org? perhaps you need w32codecs? |
| 04:36.11 | a1fa | hark : thanks |
| 04:37.18 | eitan | neekofab: I already installed that. |
| 04:37.28 | sivik | i must not be that smart, because i can't find where it talks about how to get my router to talk to the cable modem |
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| 04:38.45 | ProActive | hi all |
| 04:38.57 | abrotman | do you know jessica simpson? |
| 04:39.10 | Wyzard | sivik: You're asking in #debian about how to configure dd-wrt |
| 04:39.10 | eitan | mfrisch: I installed mplayer, and it can't play the .asx link either. |
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| 04:39.42 | ProActive | I tried to install libapache-auth-ldap on etch, but it doesn't appear as a valid package. Anyone knows what the substitute package? Thanks in advance |
| 04:39.46 | leOn | abrotman: she still comes in here once in a while right? |
| 04:39.49 | leOn | =P |
| 04:39.49 | neekofab | eitan sec. I wanna try that in windows |
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| 04:42.07 | eitan | neekofab: The allmusic.com website has plenty of samples that used to play great in my windows2000 with winamp. |
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| 04:42.52 | neekofab | eitan the link you provided fails to work in windows |
| 04:43.51 | neekofab | eitan I'd be ruling out a codec issue with any of the linux media players. :) "Can't find sg1.allmusic.com" |
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| 04:44.01 | eitan | neekofab: ok... hold... I'll give you another link. |
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| 04:44.48 | eitan | neekofab: Can you go to www.allmusic.com and just click on any of the small light blue speaker symbols? (next to the small blue shopping cart symbols) |
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| 04:45.26 | cast | hey all, anyone using the vserver pkg? apparently i think i have to chmod the vserver directory to prevent people being able to break out of a vserver instance, would that just be /var/lib/vservers? and why isn't it 000 by default? |
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| 04:46.50 | kd7 | hi |
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| 04:47.18 | kd7 | can anyone teach me how to update a program in debain |
| 04:47.19 | kd7 | ? |
| 04:47.21 | kd7 | please? |
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| 04:47.37 | kd7 | hi |
| 04:47.40 | cast | kd7: man aptitude |
| 04:47.59 | liable | !reference |
| 04:48.00 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 04:48.17 | hark | !tell kd7 -about grounding |
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| 04:48.41 | ice63 | :) |
| 04:49.00 | kd7 | but I don't think what I want is availble that way |
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| 04:49.19 | kd7 | IM trying to get the most recent backend for myu scanner in SANE |
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| 04:49.39 | liable | kd7: you need to compile it? |
| 04:50.06 | flurdoing | hello.. is there a process with which to notify debian package contributors/developers that an application has been updated but no .debs have been made available in a long time |
| 04:50.21 | kd7 | The website for the backend says to get 2 specific files and replace the ones I have. BUT THE FILES I SUPPOSIDLY HAVE don't exist!! So says find -name [filenamehere] anyway |
| 04:50.26 | liable | flurdoing: file a wishlist bug |
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| 04:50.48 | flurdoing | liable: k, will do. thanks. |
| 04:50.49 | kd7 | how would I know if I needed or wanted to compile it? |
| 04:51.06 | kd7 | also, the website specifically says to ermove the old one first |
| 04:51.25 | kd7 | HOW WHERE !!! Stupid details linux people never seem to remember to put |
| 04:51.30 | neekofab | eitan using vlc the sound samples play fine. (debian etch) |
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| 04:51.43 | JJ|Laptop | is debian 3.1 sarge? |
| 04:51.44 | m0nkeyb0y | hello! |
| 04:51.56 | kd7 | yes -- debian sarge |
| 04:52.23 | m0nkeyb0y | has anyone created a Windows 2000 bootable installtion cd ? |
| 04:52.33 | m0nkeyb0y | Without using nero? |
| 04:52.43 | kd7 | windows? I thought this wa slinux chat |
| 04:52.44 | kd7 | ? |
| 04:52.48 | ice63 | why |
| 04:52.59 | m0nkeyb0y | wactually your right |
| 04:53.17 | rpc | what does it mean when i get "time of day goes back" when pinging a host? |
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| 04:53.47 | rpc | m0nkeyb0y try in #windows instead |
| 04:53.48 | m0nkeyb0y | i'm trying to edit the MBR on an windows iso to make win 2000 bootable |
| 04:53.54 | m0nkeyb0y | yeah i'm there now |
| 04:53.56 | simbios_ | I put APT::Default-Release "testing"; in apt.conf, how do I do a "apt-cache show program" if it is not located in testing (but in unstable)? |
| 04:54.01 | rpc | so stick in there, m0nkeyb0y |
| 04:54.09 | eitan | neekofab: I'm using sarge... |
| 04:54.16 | unlink | when i try to set quota limits on my XFS filesystem with xfs_quota, using the command sudo xfs_quota -x -c 'limit -d bsoft=1g bhard=1.5g' /home, i get the error xfs_quota: cannot set limits: No such process |
| 04:54.34 | m0nkeyb0y | well it becomes a debian issue when i'm trying to do this editing from debian |
| 04:54.37 | eitan | neekofab: can you tell me what browser you are using, and if you are using a plugin or totem or mplayer with xine or gstreamer? |
| 04:54.44 | kd7 | so, how would I go about finding the files that dont exist so I can modify them in some way that the author didn't bother to tell me? |
| 04:54.48 | eitan | neekofab: do you think it is because I'm using sarge? |
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| 04:55.28 | rpc | m0nkeyb0y what does burning a w2k iso in nero has to do with debian in your opinion? |
| 04:55.30 | hark | kd7: ask the author |
| 04:55.43 | kd7 | tried. NO response |
| 04:56.01 | eitan | neekofab: do you think this could be the problem: I installed firefox separately... not using apt... so that I could use version 2.0.0.1... sarge only has 1.5.7 or something like that. |
| 04:56.02 | hark | kd7: what is the name of the file? |
| 04:56.12 | neekofab | eitan I'm a kde nut, so it's konqueror, but I also tried it in iceweasel (firefox). both of these via the mozilla vlc plugin |
| 04:56.16 | kd7 | Besides, why would he be any different then any other linux author? |
| 04:56.59 | eitan | neekofab: ok... let's treat me like I'm dumb... how do I install the vlc plugin in firefox? |
| 04:57.07 | kd7 | EVERY SINGLE linux program I have tried to use has cost me HOURS AND HOURS of time because the authors leave out little details that make it impossible! |
| 04:57.08 | hark | or a mac author for that matter |
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| 04:57.46 | kd7 | the file name is unkown to me (one of the stupid details) |
| 04:57.56 | neekofab | eitan as root apt-get install mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 04:58.06 | kd7 | I am trying to update or hand modify the artec backend for sane so I can make my scanner fully functional |
| 04:58.07 | eitan | neekofab: did that already |
| 04:58.23 | kd7 | neekofab did what? |
| 04:58.36 | eitan | neekofab: would that mozilla-plugin-vlc work even if I have installed firefox without apt? |
| 04:58.41 | kd7 | oops -- never mind |
| 04:58.42 | dondelelcaro | kd7: if the driver doesn't support your scanner already, this is not the appropriate place to learn how to hack the driver so that it will. |
| 04:58.46 | m0nkeyb0y | rpc: I has a bunch of people tell me to jsut use nero. So that why i said i did not want to use nero. but otherwise i think i found my answer. thanks anyways. |
| 04:58.47 | eitan | neekofab: maybe that's the problem. |
| 04:58.49 | cast | kd7: maybe the authors just assume knowledge you don't have |
| 04:58.51 | neekofab | eitan than you will need to verify your 3rd party browser install actaully as that plugin loaded. try entering about:plugins in the address bar in firefox |
| 04:59.08 | eitan | neekofab: ok... doing... |
| 04:59.26 | kd7 | the webpage says it DOES support my scanner |
| 04:59.34 | eitan | neekofab: nothing there. |
| 04:59.39 | neekofab | eitan bingo |
| 04:59.39 | cast | kd7: try running xsane as root? |
| 04:59.49 | kd7 | but it sugests modifying some files if the thing doesn't work right |
| 04:59.54 | kd7 | runing as root = no difference |
| 04:59.56 | eitan | neekofab: so what should I do now? (please help!) |
| 05:00.03 | dondelelcaro | kd7: well, try asking #sane; they probably know better. Or as the mailing list. |
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| 05:00.11 | kd7 | tried #sane |
| 05:00.13 | dondelelcaro | complaining here is just useless. |
| 05:00.22 | kd7 | just someone else like me left in the dark with questions |
| 05:00.24 | rpc | any nice ntpdate server that you would like to recommend folks? |
| 05:00.35 | grendal_prime | mthrefkr |
| 05:00.38 | rpc | preferrably in EU but that's not important after all |
| 05:00.38 | grendal_prime | bad night |
| 05:00.38 | dondelelcaro | rpc: use the pool servers. |
| 05:00.49 | rpc | dondelelcaro hm what kind of servers are those? |
| 05:00.57 | neekofab | eitan link /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins to /your_installed_version_of_firefox/plugins (this path may vary on sarge, I use etch) |
| 05:01.03 | kd7 | whats a pool server (again, important detail left out = useless) |
| 05:01.14 | cast | pool.ntp.org |
| 05:01.25 | dondelelcaro | rpc: tier three servers (sometimes two) which are pooled together |
| 05:01.30 | rpc | oh, thank you cast |
| 05:01.32 | eitan | neekofab: ok... trying... will take a bit. |
| 05:01.33 | dondelelcaro | rpc: makes it far better than just a single ntp server. |
| 05:01.34 | kd7 | is that an irc? |
| 05:01.38 | rpc | dondelelcaro thank you, that explains alot |
| 05:01.41 | ice63 | is there a iso. image that come's with kernel-image2.6.18-3-k7 for first time install ? |
| 05:01.45 | lowkey | kd7: rfc |
| 05:01.59 | dondelelcaro | rpc: in fact, the ntp-simple default is to use the pool servers, so the default should be good enough. |
| 05:02.11 | dondelelcaro | (although, you may want to select ones from your region instead of the world-wide default) |
| 05:02.15 | rpc | dondelelcaro had no idea about pool servers, nice trick :) |
| 05:03.17 | rpc | mhm |
| 05:03.18 | kd7 | AGAIN useless. pool.ntp.org refuses irc connection |
| 05:03.23 | dondelelcaro | kd7: if important details are missing, you ask about them. Communication is a two way street. |
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| 05:03.30 | lowkey | kd7: its an ntp server. |
| 05:03.30 | dondelelcaro | kd7: it's an NTP server, not an IRC server. |
| 05:03.33 | eitan | neekofab: what path is it in etch? |
| 05:04.02 | kd7 | what is NTP? It sounded aboue like you irc to it and it links you to multiple irc servers |
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| 05:04.13 | neekofab | eitan /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
| 05:04.20 | Kevin` | network time protocol |
| 05:04.24 | rpc | i also have another question - are there any known issues in kernel 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 that would cause instability of etch? box tends to freeze ocassionally |
| 05:04.43 | rpc | what is the best kernel for it actually? |
| 05:04.56 | kd7 | so how and what it NTP used for |
| 05:04.57 | kd7 | ? |
| 05:05.02 | Kevin` | rpc any suspect drivers? (external video, wlan, experimental kernel drivers, etc?) |
| 05:05.07 | rpc | kd7 it's a time server |
| 05:05.14 | Kevin` | kd7 clock synchronization |
| 05:05.14 | rpc | kd7 to synchronize your clock remotely |
| 05:05.21 | kd7 | oh |
| 05:05.32 | EdLin | !sunday |
| 05:05.33 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 05:05.34 | rpc | Kevin` i'm running virtual eth0 that is bridged on host via tap device |
| 05:05.48 | Kevin` | rpc tuntap should be stable |
| 05:05.49 | kd7 | any suggestions on a good server or channel to get help with the SANE program specifically? |
| 05:05.51 | rpc | lol EdLin |
| 05:06.04 | Kevin` | rpc are you running anything like kqemu or vmware's modules? |
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| 05:06.31 | EdLin | kd7: sorry, it's Sunday, you can't get anyone that's sane in #debian now. |
| 05:06.57 | kd7 | ??? sane is scanner acces made easy |
| 05:07.04 | rpc | Kevin` i wonder what is causing problems, noticed so far that when i try to ssh in then crap usually happens, also once i put the machine down it didn't get networking on boot, not sure how should i treat the bridge in such case? re-new the tap or just let it run |
| 05:07.07 | kd7 | d:o) |
| 05:07.08 | Kevin` | rpc anyway, if it works with all your stuff, i'd recommend following the kernel.org current stable, which is 2.6.20. this doesn't work with a lot of external drivers though |
| 05:07.12 | Gokee2 | How do I allow users to access my usb port? |
| 05:07.17 | rpc | Kevin` i'm running vbox there |
| 05:07.42 | rpc | Kevin` so you recommend swapping to .20 on etch.. |
| 05:07.49 | hark | kd7: http://www.sane-project.org/mailing-lists.html |
| 05:07.55 | Kevin` | rpc vbox is the name for a couple things, can you be more specific? url? |
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| 05:08.04 | Kevin` | rpc I run 2.6.20 and debian etch on my pda :) |
| 05:08.10 | rpc | Kevin` oh it's a very nice virtualisation software - virtualbox.org |
| 05:08.19 | rpc | sweet news about your pda :) |
| 05:08.30 | Kevin` | rpc does it need any kernel modules to work properly? |
| 05:08.36 | rpc | can i grab it over apt-get? |
| 05:08.44 | Kevin` | grab what? |
| 05:08.46 | rpc | Kevin` no, no kernel modules and that's why i love it |
| 05:08.50 | rpc | kernel .20 |
| 05:08.55 | Kevin` | dunno, probably not |
| 05:09.28 | rpc | i just wanted a quick fix while configuring kernel manually will take forever |
| 05:09.40 | Kevin` | rpc since your experiencing random problems, you may want to run memtest86+ for a while |
| 05:09.50 | eitan | neekofab: Ok... I copied the files to the plugins directory... ok... it sort of worked... I have problems now... |
| 05:09.50 | rpc | hmm that's a nice idea |
| 05:10.05 | EdLin | rpc: random freeze-ups are often a hardware problem, not a kernel problem. |
| 05:10.20 | Kevin` | configuring a kernel manually usually takes me about 30 minutes |
| 05:10.35 | Kevin` | unless I get distracted by irc |
| 05:10.36 | eitan | neekofab: It opens a window with a black screen that says "no video" and then attempts to play the music.... it plays for 2 secs then cuts off for 2 secs then plays for 2 secs and so on... what could be wrong now? |
| 05:10.42 | Kevin` | I go through every single option |
| 05:11.06 | eitan | neekofab: when I try to use the "back" button while it's trying to play... it doesn't work... it locks up firefox. |
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| 05:11.36 | rpc | EdLin hmm but this time i'm speaking of a virtual machine, so not really sure, especially as i see strange behaviour of htop showing constant load of 40% while top says 0.0% |
| 05:11.50 | rpc | Kevin` i will try :) |
| 05:12.06 | EdLin | rpc: why are you running that particular virtual machine? |
| 05:12.44 | neekofab | eitan you got me there. I take it this black windows is _in_ firefox? |
| 05:13.46 | rpc | EdLin that's my www server |
| 05:13.58 | neekofab | eitan what does about:plugins list now? what plugins (bold black print generally) |
| 05:14.16 | eitan | neekofab: ya... it basically makes the current window black... as though it is about to play a video, except in the center of the black window it says "no video" then it attempts to play the music, but it keeps cutting in and out and then locks up firefox. |
| 05:14.31 | EdLin | rpc: so you don't have any control over which VM software you are using? |
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| 05:14.40 | eitan | neekofab: a huge number... I can't paste them all here. |
| 05:15.03 | eitan | neekofab: could it be because the plugins were not designed for firefox 2.0.0.1? |
| 05:16.03 | eitan | neekofab: video/x-ms-asf-plugin Windows Media Video asf,asx Yes |
| 05:16.03 | eitan | video/x-ms-asf Windows Media Video asf,asx Yes |
| 05:16.10 | neekofab | eitan it could be. it would be worth you while to try the same site in the sarge provided webbrowser |
| 05:16.21 | rpc | EdLin i can change the virtualisation software anytime but vbox seems fine, it's the only vm giving me a headache right now |
| 05:16.40 | rpc | EdLin or would you like to recommend trying another package? |
| 05:17.18 | rpc | or can 1GB of mem be a problem in there? |
| 05:17.22 | EdLin | rpc: well, first, as suggested, test your hardware. |
| 05:17.28 | rpc | all others have like 128-256MB |
| 05:17.29 | EdLin | rpc: 1GB is plenty |
| 05:17.46 | rpc | perhaps i should run a specific kernel for 1GB? |
| 05:17.50 | rpc | just wondering |
| 05:18.07 | rpc | it acts like a random mem problem in fact |
| 05:18.11 | Rusty1 | rpc there is something called slabtop, dunno |
| 05:18.22 | rpc | Rusty1 hm |
| 05:18.23 | EdLin | rpc: any recent kernel works fine with much more than 1GB. |
| 05:18.38 | EdLin | rpc: there's himem patches, but that's for beyond several gigs. |
| 05:18.49 | rpc | Rusty1 thank you, will try this |
| 05:19.02 | rpc | EdLin so up to 2GB i shouldn't bother? |
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| 05:20.04 | rpc | hmm.. Active / Total Slabs (% used) : 1783 / 1784 (99.9%) |
| 05:20.20 | rpc | how should i interpret all those data.. looks like tons of reading to do today :) |
| 05:20.40 | rpc | they look pretty nice though |
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| 05:21.16 | EdLin | rpc: 2GB works fine on a normal kernel. |
| 05:21.31 | EdLin | rpc: 4GB is the point when you need to run a bigmem kernel. |
| 05:21.31 | rpc | mhm |
| 05:21.43 | rpc | oh so bigmem is for 4+ |
| 05:21.49 | rpc | i was going to ask about bigmem |
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| 05:22.22 | EdLin | rpc: one only needs that kind of memory on *big* database servers. |
| 05:23.10 | dnm48091 | anywho , im gone hehe |
| 05:23.14 | dnm48091 | oops |
| 05:23.20 | unlink | how do i debug this xfs issue? the only error i get is xfs_quota: cannot set limits: No such process |
| 05:23.44 | unlink | i tried tracing where that errno value is returned from the kernel, but i got lost somewhere in the syscall interface |
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| 05:24.21 | unlink | ( the command is: sudo xfs_quota -x -c 'limit -d bsoft=1g bhard=1.5g' /home ) |
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| 05:25.25 | eitan | neekofab: right... I'll try to just use the sarge version of firefox... |
| 05:25.42 | kenock | to set up a host as a server in a wlan, what is the value to use for Gateway? is it the local ip addr of the router e.g. 192.168.1.1? |
| 05:26.04 | unlink | how else would you approach debugging this kind of problem? |
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| 05:32.16 | sivik | Wyzard, what was that url for the howto adding the firmware, and going back to the old one |
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| 05:32.56 | eitan | neekofab: ... same problem with the apt install of firefox. |
| 05:32.59 | sivik | Kevin`, what was the url for the howto on installing and going bcak to the old firmware that i was given earlier today? |
| 05:33.06 | Wyzard | sivik: I dunno, you're the one who sent it to me |
| 05:33.13 | Wyzard | sivik: I don't have that browser window open anymore |
| 05:33.23 | eitan | neekofab: I'm going to take a break now... thanks for helping so far. I really appreciate it. |
| 05:34.08 | sivik | nor do i, and i can't find it in my history |
| 05:34.24 | neekofab | eitan you might verify with about:plugins you don't have mulitple media handlers installed. try one at a time. mozilla-plugin-vlc seems to work well |
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| 05:35.30 | black_13 | how do i create a progress bar for boot up? |
| 05:35.36 | a1fa | what is the default window manager in etch? gnome? |
| 05:35.38 | Gokee2 | is there a way to update the groups I am in while loged in? |
| 05:36.10 | Wyzard | Gokee2: don't think so... group membership is only applied when you log in |
| 05:36.35 | hark | newgrp maybe? |
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| 05:36.58 | Gokee2 | hark, nice thanks |
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| 05:37.56 | hark | a1fa: There's no default actually |
| 05:37.57 | eitan | neekofab: well it seems like I have 2 of practically everything... |
| 05:38.42 | eitan | neekofab: for the .asx type I have : video/x-ms-asf and video/x-ms-asf-plugin ... which one do I keep and how do I get rid of the duplicates? |
| 05:38.54 | a1fa | hark : no default? cool |
| 05:38.57 | hark | a1fa: if you use tasksel, you can get different cd's with Gnome/KDE/XFCE as desktop-base probably |
| 05:39.08 | a1fa | hark : whats good for 233mhz? |
| 05:39.34 | abrotman | a1fa: blackbox or something like that |
| 05:39.35 | hark | just about anything other than those 3 |
| 05:39.40 | a1fa | hark : i am getting these files over the internet |
| 05:39.49 | a1fa | abrotman : anything pretier? |
| 05:40.03 | eitan | neekofab: I have mozilla-plugin-vlc... but how do I know if I have another installed? Where do I look? How do I check? |
| 05:40.44 | abrotman | a1fa: duno ..i kind of like blackbox :) |
| 05:40.45 | neekofab | eitan look for totem or mplayer or xine in the about:plugins page. |
| 05:41.10 | abrotman | a1fa: icewm ? |
| 05:41.11 | abrotman | !wm |
| 05:41.12 | dpkg | i guess window manager is a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. to list your available window managers, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". not to be confused with a <desktop environment> such as Gnome or KDE. to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". |
| 05:41.14 | a1fa | blackbox it is |
| 05:41.15 | a1fa | : |
| 05:41.16 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 05:41.21 | abrotman | a1fa: go look at xwinman.org |
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| 05:41.44 | a1fa | its for a touchscreen box |
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| 05:41.53 | seravitae_ | hi |
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| 05:42.14 | eitan | oh... no I guess I was mistaken... all of the "duplicates" appear under the vlc plugin... the only other plugins I have are: "scalable vector graphics" |
| 05:42.18 | seravitae_ | i just popped the latest deb netinst cd in, and the installer can't mount my cdrom drive. not sure if there's anythnig i should try or if i should just give up. |
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| 05:42.35 | cast | seravitae_: does any loonix livecd work? |
| 05:42.48 | seravitae_ | cast - im trying to migrate from ubuntu (which i used for the last month fine) |
| 05:42.51 | billybong | hey guys |
| 05:42.55 | billybong | i just got myself a dedi but they installed debian french on it |
| 05:42.57 | billybong | problem is i don't speak a damn word of french |
| 05:43.04 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 05:43.06 | abrotman | a1fa: oh yeah .. blackbox might not work so well |
| 05:43.09 | billybong | is there a quick way i can switch it to english without screwing up the installed stuff on it? |
| 05:43.13 | cast | seravitae_: debootstrap is a good way to install debian imho |
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| 05:43.22 | Wyzard | billybong: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:43.24 | seravitae_ | what's that? |
| 05:43.37 | billybong | Wyzard, okay thats it? |
| 05:43.37 | Wyzard | billybong: though I don't know whether that's all you need, or if there's more |
| 05:43.43 | billybong | heh |
| 05:43.46 | abrotman | billybong: LANG=C <command> |
| 05:43.48 | billybong | well its a start |
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| 05:44.27 | a1fa | what is that generic package for fonts? |
| 05:44.32 | a1fa | xserver-xfonts |
| 05:44.33 | billybong | abrotman, what command would i use? |
| 05:44.34 | a1fa | or something |
| 05:44.50 | billybong | i've used debian once like 8 years ago |
| 05:44.51 | abrotman | billybong: whatever you want .. but if you want to change it for always .. use the command you were given before that |
| 05:45.01 | billybong | okay |
| 05:45.03 | billybong | i want it for good |
| 05:45.07 | billybong | darn french :) |
| 05:45.15 | abrotman | then dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:45.20 | billybong | thank you :) |
| 05:45.29 | billybong | i appreciate you not saying search google or RTFM |
| 05:45.34 | billybong | cause i did search google |
| 05:45.35 | billybong | heh |
| 05:46.04 | seravitae_ | cast: im really tired of waiting hours for downloads |
| 05:46.11 | seravitae_ | i dont have any live cds on me because i dont like them |
| 05:46.27 | seravitae_ | getting debootstrap would require me having to download knoppix or something and that won't happen |
| 05:46.34 | seravitae_ | worst comes to worst i'll install ubuntu again. |
| 05:46.40 | cast | seravitae_: your ubuntu isntall cd is a livecd isn't it? |
| 05:46.48 | seravitae_ | nup. can't stand livecds. |
| 05:47.02 | cast | really. i was sure the ubuntu install cd was a livecd |
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| 05:47.10 | hark | a1fa: apt-cache search xfonts ? |
| 05:47.13 | seravitae_ | i specially have the alternate non-livecd. |
| 05:47.54 | cast | seravitae_: get a small livecd, there are plenty that are sub 100mb, maybe a floppy would work, just has to run debootstrap |
| 05:48.23 | seravitae_ | i just waited an hour for debian netinstall to download |
| 05:48.24 | Dewi | can anybody give me a hint, how do I figure out what speed memory I'll need for a 4200+ athlon dual core? |
| 05:48.35 | seravitae_ | i don't really have the patience to keep downloading hundreds of megs just for a 'maybe'. |
| 05:48.38 | Dewi | are things multiplier locked these days or do I have some choice? |
| 05:48.43 | seravitae_ | i'll just try ubuntu again first. |
| 05:48.51 | abrotman | Dewi: depends on the board |
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| 05:49.13 | billybong | abrotman, and thats it just run that command? |
| 05:49.15 | cast | seravitae_: alright, install ubuntu in the swap partition, then run debootstrap from inside ubuntu |
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| 05:49.21 | abrotman | billybong: logout/login again |
| 05:49.50 | rokfit | any kde movie editor programs in repos |
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| 05:50.01 | seravitae_ | cast - i think ill just try to get ubuntu going first. we had identical machines in here, and one worked fine, and mine didn't. |
| 05:50.03 | abrotman | kino maybe |
| 05:50.05 | billybong | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:50.08 | black_13 | how do i "hide" the bootup process? |
| 05:50.09 | billybong | which one do i choose? |
| 05:50.15 | abrotman | probably UTF8 |
| 05:50.19 | abrotman | or all three |
| 05:50.26 | abrotman | and then make UTF8 the default |
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| 05:50.37 | a1fa | abrotman : how do you make blackbox default manager without a desktop manager? |
| 05:50.39 | billybong | abrotman, mind checking on your box which ones are selected for me? |
| 05:50.50 | a1fa | abrotman : i wont have to mess with .Xsessions, will I? |
| 05:50.50 | Dewi | billybong: utf8 is the modern choice |
| 05:50.56 | Dewi | billybong: default now in debian |
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| 05:51.03 | abrotman | a1fa: update-alternatives |
| 05:51.13 | billybong | alfa, echo "exec /path/to/blackbox" > ~/.xinitrc |
| 05:51.13 | abrotman | billybong: all three .. and UTF8 is thedefault |
| 05:51.15 | Dewi | billybong: if you don't know the difference, choose utf8 |
| 05:51.20 | billybong | abrotman, thanks |
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| 05:51.35 | Dewi | billybong: utf8 means you can break into other languages if you need to |
| 05:51.59 | a1fa | thanks |
| 05:52.20 | pinks_eating | Dewi: does that include russian? |
| 05:52.22 | a1fa | i need to get my touchscreen working now |
| 05:52.36 | billybong | alright |
| 05:52.37 | billybong | thanks guys |
| 05:52.39 | billybong | :) |
| 05:52.39 | Dewi | billybong: but you can get bad rendering of line drawing characters on older software that doesn't support it, that's the downside, but debian is currently well into transitioning to utf8 |
| 05:52.45 | Dewi | pinks: it includes everything |
| 05:52.55 | pinks | Dewi: ta :) |
| 05:53.08 | abrotman | billybong: you sure you're not french ? |
| 05:53.10 | Dewi | pinks: of course you would need to have appropriate fonts installed to actually *see* the right glyphs |
| 05:53.23 | eitan | neekofab: oh... no I guess I was mistaken... all of the "duplicates" appear under the vlc plugin... the only other plugins I have are: "scalable vector graphics" |
| 05:53.47 | eitan | neekofab: anything else that could be making the sound cut in and out? |
| 05:54.04 | pinks | Dewi: naturally :) |
| 05:54.19 | neekofab | eitan do you have a sound sharing issue? try using vlc on it's own (without firefox) to verify it works properly |
| 05:54.51 | eitan | neekofab: how do I use vlc on it's own? |
| 05:55.31 | neekofab | eitan just open it. and point it towards something play. you might have some ogg/wav files in /usr/share/sounds to test it with |
| 05:56.44 | eitan | neekofab: I'm sorry... I don't know where vlc is... |
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| 05:57.00 | eitan | neekofab: where can I find vlc? |
| 05:57.18 | Dewi | eitan: dpkg --listfiles <package> |
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| 05:57.44 | Dewi | eitan: should be able to run whatever you see in */bin/ in a term |
| 05:58.12 | neekofab | eitan under multimedia usually. or just press alt+f2 and type vlc then press enter |
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| 05:58.43 | eitan | Dewi: ok vlc works! |
| 05:59.04 | eitan | neekofab: vlc works properly... but with an mp3 file... |
| 05:59.11 | subopt | How do i use dpkg-reconfigure to go through the XF86 setup again? |
| 05:59.13 | eitan | Dewi: thanks for the tip |
| 05:59.24 | eitan | neekofab: now I have to try to get it to play an .asx file. |
| 06:00.01 | abrotman | !drxx subp |
| 06:00.02 | dpkg | subp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:00.03 | abrotman | !drxx subopt |
| 06:00.03 | dpkg | subopt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 06:00.33 | diazepa1 | does anyone know what this could mean? Google shows zero results. I restarted dbus and got the following message "/etc/dbus-1/event.d/70system-tools-backends exited with return code 1" |
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| 06:02.55 | Wyzard | diazepa1: It's a bug in that script, which should be reported against whatever package put it there |
| 06:03.21 | neekofab | eitan open vlc, select file, open network stream, click http, and in the url put: mms://sg5.allmusic.com/000wma_28/s104/s10457/s1045748/s104574830h688j.wma |
| 06:03.26 | diazepa1 | Wyzard - okay thanks |
| 06:03.34 | Wyzard | diazepa1: probably the system-tools-backends package |
| 06:04.07 | diazepa1 | Wyzard - Yeah looks like it - |
| 06:04.07 | subopt | abrotman: thanks |
| 06:04.44 | Wyzard | diazepa1: Do you have any experience with debugging shell scripts? |
| 06:05.02 | Gokee2 | Whats the best way to scan to pdf? |
| 06:05.07 | eitan | neekofab: ok... in vlc the sound is cutting in and out too.... ok so vlc is the problem... now what? |
| 06:05.21 | diazepa1 | Wyzard - not much but i am currently studying for my LPI so I have plenty of people around me that might be able to offer assistance |
| 06:05.35 | neekofab | eitan at least we know it's not your browser. :) |
| 06:05.44 | diazepa1 | Wyzard - is there any way of determining the line number of the error? |
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| 06:05.55 | a1fa | damn it |
| 06:05.59 | a1fa | i cant get my touchscreen to work |
| 06:06.02 | a1fa | its a serial device |
| 06:06.07 | Wyzard | diazepa1: If you just report the "exited with return code 1" message, that's not very helpful to the maintainer and you're likely to be asked for more info, so see if you can track it down within the script if you can |
| 06:06.09 | eitan | neekofab: well... ok... fine... but now what can be done? |
| 06:06.25 | Wyzard | diazepa1: You could try running the script manually (it probably expects either "start" or "stop" as an argument, like an initscript) |
| 06:06.45 | neekofab | eitan could it be this machine? is the hardware fairly modern? |
| 06:06.52 | diazepa1 | Wyzard - okay i will give it a go |
| 06:06.53 | Wyzard | diazepa1: or open it in an editor to see what it's doing and run the commands individually from a shell |
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| 06:07.20 | neekofab | eitan or could it just be a slow/poor internet connection? |
| 06:08.50 | eitan | neekofab: I doubt it's my hardware because I'm playing mp3's perfecty. I have a pentium 4 2ghz . My internet connection is a very steady and reliable 3 megabit/sec . |
| 06:09.19 | neekofab | eitan yep. that all sounds reasonable. ...thinking ... |
| 06:09.31 | eitan | neekofab: (thank you so much for your help) |
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| 06:10.46 | eitan | neekofab: I'm going to do an inet search for vlc sound cutting in and out... |
| 06:11.11 | neekofab | eitan k. you might also trying to run mplayer mms://sg5.allmusic.com/000wma_28/s104/s10457/s1045748/s104574830h688j.wma as well |
| 06:11.40 | neekofab | eitan to just see if it produces the same cutouts |
| 06:12.26 | diazepa1 | Wyzard - looks like the problem is within the dbus script itself |
| 06:12.45 | diazepa1 | okay - guess i better lodge a bug |
| 06:12.52 | diazepa1 | thanks Wyzard |
| 06:12.58 | eitan | neekofab: I can't seem to copy text from xchat... it's pathetic. |
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| 06:14.01 | neekofab | eitan sorry, no help there. hehe. again. I am a kde nut. heh. |
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| 06:14.38 | hark | eitan: not even select and middle click? |
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| 06:15.41 | eitan | hark: no... no copy option for text |
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| 06:16.08 | eitan | neekofab: that selection plays fine in mplayer... I'm going to try it in vlc |
| 06:16.08 | SkramX | :) |
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| 06:17.59 | eitan | neekofab: ok... in vlc it cuts in and out... so mplayer works, but vlc doesn't. Now what? |
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| 06:18.58 | neekofab | eitan remove mozilla-plugin-vlc and add mozilla-mplayer |
| 06:19.14 | a1fa | ok this uscks |
| 06:19.26 | a1fa | i may need some help getting this touchscreen to work |
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| 06:20.21 | eitan | neekofab: ok hold on... |
| 06:20.23 | a1fa | it looks like the kernel doesnt care that I loaded elo drivers |
| 06:21.05 | eitan | neekofab: ahhhh.... therein lies the problem. mozilla-mplayer is not listed at all. |
| 06:21.13 | neekofab | eitan sec |
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| 06:22.04 | dexomsrc | I'm trying to install etch but it complains that "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" even though the installer can run by booting off the DVD |
| 06:22.08 | neekofab | eitan it's listed in contrib on packages.debian.org |
| 06:22.13 | dexomsrc | That's the ETch beta2 testing DVD |
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| 06:22.36 | black_13 | is there way to tell the debian kernel to boot quietly via a boot parameter that is produce less output to the console during boot up? |
| 06:22.49 | dexomsrc | The Etch RC1 netinst CD can detect it but it halts at 5% installation |
| 06:22.58 | neekofab | eitan for stable/sarge. so unless you left off contrib... it's in there. :) |
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| 06:23.49 | eitan | neekofab: so do I add contrib to main? |
| 06:24.26 | eitan | neekofab: ok... got it. |
| 06:24.33 | neekofab | eitan k |
| 06:24.36 | hark | black_13: quiet , IIRC |
| 06:24.53 | hark | !info mozilla-mplayer sarge |
| 06:24.56 | ElKronos | hi! how can i change my wlan card to work in 802.11 b??? |
| 06:24.57 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer: (MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla, Konqueror and OpenOffice.org), section contrib/misc, is optional. Version: 2.70-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 304 kB |
| 06:25.20 | tralala | ElKronos, man iwconfig (install wireless-tools) |
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| 06:26.07 | ElKronos | yes, i do that... but theris nothing about it |
| 06:26.22 | eitan | neekofab: ok... problem ... vlc plugin still shows up in about:plugins... should I delete it from the plugins directory? |
| 06:27.04 | neekofab | eitan this with sarge's firefox or your addin? |
| 06:27.13 | eitan | neekofab: my addin |
| 06:27.40 | neekofab | eitan if I remember correctly you said you _copied_ from /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins instead of linking. |
| 06:27.48 | eitan | neekofab: yes |
| 06:28.39 | neekofab | eitan if you'd linked it (man ln) these updates would've happened automagically for your add in. |
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| 06:29.06 | eitan | neekofab: but I didn't link... no problem... I'll just delete. |
| 06:29.43 | neekofab | eitan k. but I'd link it, that way no-worries for future. you may still want java, flash, etc. |
| 06:31.33 | eitan | ok... I copied it... |
| 06:31.45 | eitan | neekofab: ok.... I copied it... it's playing ok... hold.. |
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| 06:33.40 | eitan | neekofab: ok... well... it works, but it takes like 25 seconds just to start playing |
| 06:33.56 | neekofab | eitan it's buffering that's ok |
| 06:34.07 | eitan | neekofab: should it really take that long? |
| 06:34.18 | eitan | neekofab: in windows with winamp it was instant... much faster |
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| 06:34.39 | hark | eitan: you can set that, iirc |
| 06:34.53 | eitan | hark: how? |
| 06:35.14 | neekofab | eitan with that plugin I don't recall if it's using gmplayer or mplayer. but both can be set |
| 06:35.36 | eitan | neekofab: well... ok let's say mplayer... how do I set it? |
| 06:36.47 | neekofab | eitan for mplayer I think it's cache=foo (in KB) in .mplayer/config |
| 06:36.57 | eitan | neekofab: I went into the preferences in mplayer... and there was no setting for that. |
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| 06:37.16 | eitan | neekofab: how obscure.... ok... will try |
| 06:37.55 | hark | eitan: don't remember exactly, but can you right click it? |
| 06:37.57 | neekofab | eitan mplayer is essential a command line tool. it'll play barbwire if you can find a way to feed it the stuff. |
| 06:38.26 | eitan | hark... yes... I did the rightclick... no option under preferences. |
| 06:38.48 | eitan | neekofab: what do you mean by cache=foo (in kb) ... what do I type ? cache=0 ? |
| 06:39.33 | neekofab | eitan cache=8192 |
| 06:39.57 | neekofab | eitan how quickly did mplayer play the stream from the commandline? |
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| 06:40.22 | eitan | neekofab: I didn't try doing that... I'll try it.. hold on... |
| 06:40.25 | dexomsrc | When I try to install Etch from a netinst CD I get as far as "Select and install software" where it correctly auto-selects "Standard System" "Desktop Environments" and "Laptop" but then when I hit next it goes to 5% then freezes saying "Please wait..." |
| 06:40.28 | dexomsrc | But it never does anything |
| 06:41.00 | hark | dexomsrc: you have the RC1 probably. Try with a daily image instead |
| 06:41.02 | billybong | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 06:41.02 | billybong | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.02 | billybong | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.03 | billybong | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:41.12 | marek | has anyone ever used bplay/brec? |
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| 06:41.17 | marek | i'm having some issues with it |
| 06:41.23 | billybong | woops |
| 06:41.30 | billybong | how can i change those settings? |
| 06:41.32 | billybong | i removed the french stuff with |
| 06:41.37 | eitan | neekofab: I changed the .config file to cache=8192 ... no change... hold on... |
| 06:41.54 | billybong | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:42.01 | billybong | i removed the french ones and selected the english ones |
| 06:42.17 | billybong | now when i try and "apt-get install gcc" i get that error i pasted up there ^^ |
| 06:42.26 | billybong | how can i fix this? |
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| 06:43.42 | neekofab | billybong env | grep LANG |
| 06:43.58 | billybong | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 |
| 06:43.58 | billybong | LANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en |
| 06:43.59 | neekofab | billybong whatcha get? |
| 06:44.11 | billybong | hmm |
| 06:44.14 | billybong | i wnat english only |
| 06:44.19 | billybong | i dont' understand a damn word of french |
| 06:44.37 | billybong | but this is what they put on my dedi so instead o paying them another 50 euro to change it i have to change it myself |
| 06:45.25 | hark | billybong: you can run LANG=C <command> for english.. |
| 06:45.39 | eitan | neekofab: I'm running mplayer from the command line... and even though it says cache size is 8192... it caches the whole thing before playing. ugh! |
| 06:45.49 | eitan | neekofab: what should I do now? |
| 06:46.22 | neekofab | eitan it should only buffer it. weird. sec lemmie try it |
| 06:46.35 | hark | billybong: and try locale-gen as well after the reconfigure |
| 06:46.35 | eitan | neekofab: my mistake... no it's not caching the whole thing... I was confusing bytes with kbytes. |
| 06:47.43 | neekofab | eitan yeah 8192 is a bit high. hehe. try -cache 64 |
| 06:47.53 | billybong | i want it switched to english completely no french |
| 06:48.08 | billybong | for all users |
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| 06:48.22 | eitan | neekofab: I just tried 64... it works perfectly.... |
| 06:48.23 | liable | reconfigure locales, untick french |
| 06:48.37 | neekofab | billybong since you reset your lang, have you logged off? it's set by shell at login |
| 06:48.37 | billybong | k it worked |
| 06:48.40 | eitan | neekofab: so could the problem with vlc have been that the cache was set too low? |
| 06:48.47 | billybong | thanks again guys :) |
| 06:49.00 | eitan | neekofab: I noticed when I set the cache in mplayer to 32, the sound would cut in and out |
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| 06:49.23 | neekofab | eitan I think the default cache value on mplayer is 64 |
| 06:50.29 | billybong | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 06:50.30 | billybong | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 06:50.35 | Warsaw | i have logs of my server sent to 2 different servers for redundant logs in case one goes down. now i have it working and all but i would need a script that can check both the local and remote logs and compare them to see if some files might be bigger than on the other server. |
| 06:50.36 | billybong | gcc should be installed by default |
| 06:50.40 | billybong | wether people like it or not |
| 06:50.49 | billybong | neekofab, any idea how i can fix this? |
| 06:50.53 | eitan | neekofab: ok so it plays from the command line without delay, but from the browser there's a long delay. Why? |
| 06:50.56 | Warsaw | basicly i need a script to check files size from a local and remote location and that it will pick the biggest file to then upload/save it |
| 06:51.33 | neekofab | eitan see if you have a .mplayer/gui.conf |
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| 06:52.46 | eitan | neekofab: yes and cache is set to 2048 |
| 06:52.57 | Warsaw | would it be possible with bash scripting? |
| 06:52.57 | neekofab | eitan alter cache_size to something more to your liking |
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| 06:53.41 | jbinder | how do you make a rar? |
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| 06:54.11 | hark | !tell billybong about b-e |
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| 06:54.53 | eitan | neekofab: it's still taking it's sweet time. It's like I didn't change the cache size. |
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| 06:55.11 | eitan | neekofab: I confirmed that the gui.conf file says cache size 64 |
| 06:55.17 | billybong | hark? |
| 06:55.23 | hark | !b-e billybong |
| 06:55.24 | dpkg | billybong: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 06:55.35 | billybong | oh there we go |
| 06:55.36 | billybong | thanks :) |
| 06:56.01 | neekofab | eitan sec, I'll try it |
| 06:56.02 | jbinder | what is an STDIN player? |
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| 06:56.21 | billybong | nifty bot |
| 06:56.21 | zorton | got lame/ |
| 06:56.23 | zorton | ? |
| 06:57.32 | linux2 | hey can someone help me. i am trying to install debian etch and it ends up pausing at 5% durring package downloads. It asks a question in the alt-f4 screen if you would like to "ignore the warning and continue type yes. or type no if you wouldn't" i have nowhere to input my responce and i have to restart my computer. at this moment there apears to be no way to finish the net install. can any of you guys help? |
| 06:58.02 | hark | linux2: don't use the RC1 installer. Get a daily image instead.. |
| 06:58.15 | linux2 | hark: im not using the RC1 installer |
| 06:58.19 | liable | or just umplug the net untill base is installed |
| 06:58.24 | neekofab | eitan gmplayer & mplayer take roughly about the same to play a clip. bout 7secs for me. run from the command line you can see it try a couple hosts prior to success |
| 06:58.35 | billybong | Apparently you do not have both the openssl binary and openssl development libraries installed. |
| 06:58.43 | billybong | i apt-get install openssl but i still get that error |
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| 06:58.58 | liable | openssl-dev |
| 06:59.11 | liable | or libopenssl-dev or whatever |
| 06:59.32 | hark | libssl-dev |
| 06:59.45 | zorton | is there information related to lame in testing? |
| 06:59.56 | eitan | neekofab: can you give me the url of something that took you 7 seconds? |
| 07:00.05 | hark | zorton: /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 07:00.56 | neekofab | eitan mms://sg5.allmusic.com/000wma_28/s104/s10457/s1045748/s104574830h688j.wma |
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| 07:02.29 | linux2 | hark: any ideas? |
| 07:02.39 | billybong | thanks again :) |
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| 07:03.06 | linux2 | hark: i am not using the RC1 installer but yet it stops at 5% |
| 07:03.10 | eitan | neekofab: right... that one takes 7 seconds for me too... but I'm talking about just the regular streaming links on allmusic. Just try any of the little speaker icons and see how long it takes. For me it takes like 30 seconds. Why is that? |
| 07:03.15 | linux2 | can anyone here install debian right now at this very moment? |
| 07:03.32 | linux2 | using the net install cd |
| 07:03.39 | eitan | neekofab: Even if it were buffering, my connection is fast enough to download the whole small low quality clip in a few seconds, not 30 seconds. |
| 07:03.55 | neekofab | eitan that link was from one of those listen links on allmusic.com |
| 07:04.13 | Gokee2 | is there a command to set a alsa mixer chan up by x? |
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| 07:04.26 | hark | linux2: or don't choose a mirror, Update after the base is installed. |
| 07:05.10 | hark | linux2: I noticed quite a few people having a problem with this earlier. But it was with RC1 afaik |
| 07:05.23 | eitan | neekofab: You're much better at this than I am obviously... I was never able to extract an mms type link from that website... my links look like this: http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=50:t8n8b5n4fszk~T |
| 07:05.31 | eitan | neekofab: where did you get the mms links? |
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| 07:06.05 | billybong | hark, any idea why that last command would have killed that box? |
| 07:06.08 | eitan | neekofab: but in any case... when you just plain click on the little speaker icons in firefox, how long does it take to play from within firefox? (without extracting the link and going to the command line) |
| 07:06.13 | billybong | its a remote dedi and it just quit responding |
| 07:06.37 | hark | billybong: what command? |
| 07:06.57 | hark | 'last'? |
| 07:06.57 | yangsx | I'm trying to use cdebootstrap, but it failed saying something like cannot fetch Packages.gpg, anybody know how to solve it? |
| 07:08.01 | billybong | hark, oh nm it just rebooted for some reason |
| 07:08.02 | billybong | :/ |
| 07:08.54 | billybong | not a big deal |
| 07:08.59 | billybong | weird but oh well |
| 07:09.31 | neekofab | eitan I can only play that link in vlc, not mplayer..... hehe |
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| 07:10.12 | eitan | neekofab: hmmm why? I'm using the mplayer plugin in firefox and it works... it just takes 30 seconds to start playing.... gee wiz. |
| 07:10.50 | neekofab | eitan I know, but this is apples to oranges. I only have etch, your on sarge |
| 07:11.53 | jdavis | eitan: what's the name of the package that gives you the firefox mplayer plugin? |
| 07:12.00 | eitan | neekofab: so you think that affects these things? |
| 07:12.11 | eitan | jdavis: mozilla-mplayer |
| 07:12.35 | eitan | neekofab: do you think that it will all work better once etch is released and I install that? |
| 07:12.44 | neekofab | eitan no, but it makes me harder to narrow down your prob. hehe |
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| 07:13.07 | neekofab | eitan at least it works! just not fast |
| 07:14.01 | infinity1 | hrmz. bored. |
| 07:14.40 | eitan | neekofab: ya... no I hear you.... it's just frustrating since I want to migrate from windows as completely as possible and in windows with winamp, getting the stream going took 1 second and I could go through hundreds of songs quickly to figure out what I wanted to buy. |
| 07:15.07 | eitan | neekofab: now in linux... everything seems either broken or handicapped |
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| 07:15.12 | infinity1 | forget linux on the desktop. server only. |
| 07:15.14 | infinity1 | heh |
| 07:15.21 | rokfit | does anyone know how to make mldonkey connect? |
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| 07:15.54 | neekofab | eitan sarge is a bit long in the tooth, it's stable for good reasons.. if you want a desktop switch, I'd check out etch |
| 07:16.03 | eitan | neekofab: I don't think it's a problem with linux per-se... just that everything seems put together like frankenstein's monster... kind of a stitched together thing that you have to cross your fingers and hope it works. |
| 07:16.33 | rokfit | anyone? |
| 07:16.39 | eitan | neekofab: well that's why I asked if you thought that etch would be more efficient at playing these streaming music files... you said no. |
| 07:16.50 | eitan | neekofab: So do you think it will do it better or not? |
| 07:17.13 | pipeline | eitan: That's an apt metaphor |
| 07:17.18 | pipeline | eitan: But it's not a linux problem |
| 07:17.22 | neekofab | eitan also I love the heck out of some debian, but ubuntu is a bit easier of the first time user (dunno if that's you or not). |
| 07:17.33 | pipeline | eitan: It's more of a unix problem in general, and has been for more than twenty years. |
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| 07:17.41 | crm__ | hi hi .. another question =) |
| 07:17.47 | pipeline | eitan: In the name of "standards" no two parts have ever come from the same vendor. |
| 07:17.55 | crm__ | is gpm required when you have X installed? |
| 07:18.03 | eitan | pipeline: I agree... linux is a relatively well designed os... but... certain things are not so polished. |
| 07:18.17 | hark | crm__: not for X, no |
| 07:18.19 | infinity1 | crm__: apt-cache show gpm says OPTIONAL. so no |
| 07:18.22 | crm__ | im having trouble with my mouse .. but what ive read indicates that gpm could be in conflict with the mouse drivers for X |
| 07:18.23 | cast | i thought linux was a kernel? |
| 07:18.25 | cast | i'm confused. |
| 07:18.33 | crm__ | thanks and thanks =) |
| 07:18.35 | pipeline | eitan: AT&T wrote popular kernels; BSD and GNU popular tools; MIT designed X11; OSF designed much of the desktop on top of it; the Gimp carried that work further. |
| 07:18.39 | pipeline | crm__: gpm is basically useless in this day and age. :P |
| 07:18.46 | infinity1 | cast: it is i guess |
| 07:18.47 | jdavis | eitan: thanks for the mozilla-mplayer tip. That was easy. |
| 07:18.58 | rokfit | cast: linux is the backbone code to many operating systems |
| 07:18.59 | crm__ | ta pipeline .. i'll remove the package |
| 07:19.03 | pipeline | eitan: In essence, the UNIX desktop is the worst of all possible worlds. Thank the almighty that it works at all. Decry not its flaws, for it is a miracle that ANYTHING works. |
| 07:19.05 | eitan | neekofab: That I am... but... I tried ubuntu.... and when I needed help I had the most nightmarish time on the ubuntu IRC, that made me lodge an official complaint with ubuntu hq, and swear never to use ubuntu again... so here I am in debian. |
| 07:19.09 | rokfit | a kernel is like a driver for the cpu |
| 07:19.18 | crm__ | i keep getting a message "can't load module psmouse" |
| 07:19.24 | infinity1 | rokfit: wow. thats a stretch |
| 07:19.29 | jdavis | Is there any solution for flash on amd64 at all? |
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| 07:19.38 | cast | jdavis: a few options |
| 07:19.42 | infinity1 | jdavis: you want to play flash in a 64bit browser? |
| 07:19.48 | eitan | pipeline: what do you mean about being a unix problem? What inherently about unix makes it difficult to efficiently play streaming music files? |
| 07:19.51 | jdavis | infinity1: yeah |
| 07:19.57 | infinity1 | jdavis: i would run a 32bit browser |
| 07:20.01 | pipeline | eitan: Heh, what doesn't? |
| 07:20.04 | jdavis | infinity1: how do I do that? |
| 07:20.06 | neekofab | eitan Sorry to hear that. well I use etch on almost everything except servers at work. |
| 07:20.17 | infinity1 | jdavis: dunno, but i know its possible :) ...i don't run linux on the desktop. sorry. |
| 07:20.30 | infinity1 | jdavis: i've only done it with txt mode apps |
| 07:20.31 | eitan | pipeline: oh... standards... hmmm well... but some things work really well... it just looks like streaming still isn't ready for prime time in debian. |
| 07:20.51 | jdavis | infinity1: Ok, I get the feeling that involves installing a lot of libraries and maybe needing to custom-compile the browser against those libraries. I'll try. |
| 07:20.54 | rokfit | jdavis: i'm trying to do the same thing, i keep hearing things of bug troy firefox |
| 07:21.00 | eitan | jdavis: hey... I'm glad I could help.... didn't know I could. |
| 07:21.07 | infinity1 | jdavis: i doubt you need to compile anytihng. |
| 07:21.15 | neekofab | eitan the onlything I can't play is crap with drm. |
| 07:21.18 | pipeline | eitan: It's not a debian problem. It's not even a linux problem. P.S. Nobody has streaming media down pat, because there are at least three major vendors who all refuse to interoperate :D |
| 07:21.43 | infinity1 | jdavis: ahh ..i just thought of a good solution. compile the flash plugin in 64bit :) |
| 07:22.02 | rokfit | infinity1: how would one do that? |
| 07:22.07 | jdavis | infinity1: I assume you're joking? |
| 07:22.08 | rokfit | i have the .gz file |
| 07:22.16 | pipeline | infinity1: gnash kinda sucks. I've found the best solution is 64 bit kernel, 32 bit root, and a separate 64 bit chroot for when you need the handful of 64 bit binaries out there. |
| 07:22.17 | infinity1 | jdavis: yep. you're right |
| 07:22.19 | cast | well first we have to break into macromedia |
| 07:22.38 | eitan | pipeline: :) That's funny. I'll remember that. Ok... no I do appreciate very much the many things that do work perfectly. The things that DO NOT work for me are 3 exactly: scanning with my two scanners, streaming music (ok... now it works but poorly), and my street maping program (streets and trips) doesn't work in wine. |
| 07:22.56 | eitan | neekofab: well when do you think etch will finally be released? |
| 07:23.10 | pipeline | eitan: Well, that sucks. Ask dpkg about "debian-multimedia" |
| 07:23.10 | cast | http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2006/07/flash_64-bit_li.cfm |
| 07:23.14 | cast | google is great. |
| 07:23.17 | eitan | neekofab: that's fine... I wouldn't care to listen to the drm stuff anyway. |
| 07:23.32 | crm__ | while im here i've got another question.. i can't find module psaux... is this in some package? |
| 07:23.35 | jdavis | infinity1: well, that's not very convenient... a 32 bit browser means new 32 bit libraries for everything, plus 32 bit mplayer. |
| 07:23.40 | infinity1 | speaking of etch. when are they going to make a more flexible installer? i don't think you can even do raid during the install with etch |
| 07:23.42 | neekofab | eitan dunno. i've had no major issues running etch. a only a few minor ones (mid '06) |
| 07:23.53 | infinity1 | jdavis: yep. sux huh |
| 07:24.01 | eitan | pipeline: Ok... I'll try to feel better about it then. Though like I said... winamp played the allmusic files well in windows.... until it just stopped working recently ... :( |
| 07:24.23 | pipeline | eitan: I don't know what the fuck you just said. |
| 07:24.24 | infinity1 | jdavis: you're reminding me why i don't use linux on the desktop :) |
| 07:24.28 | eitan | ask dpkg about "debian-multimedia" |
| 07:25.12 | eitan | pipeline: oh... ya... I did that already though... downloaded all the stuff that was available there. |
| 07:25.19 | neekofab | eitan vmware-player is a prime canidate for running windows in linux for your windows only apps like the mapping software |
| 07:25.23 | jdavis | infinity1: Well, I did want a 64 bit OS. I could have avoided the problem with the windows approach of sticking 32 bit. What do you use on the desktop? |
| 07:25.27 | infinity1 | i installed etch the other day with EVMS+LVM2+RAID1 ...talk about a pain |
| 07:25.34 | infinity1 | in the (*#&$(*@&# |
| 07:25.44 | cast | you don't use linux on the desktop because flash sucks? *chuckles* |
| 07:25.53 | pipeline | eitan: elipses are not a substitute for punctuation |
| 07:25.54 | infinity1 | jdavis: xp32 bit at work and vista 64 at home. |
| 07:26.12 | eitan | pipeline: oh just a windows thing... I migrated to debian. I just said that the music player program "winamp" worked well in windows to play the streaming files. (Until it stopped working recently) :) |
| 07:26.15 | pipeline | jdavis: Debian is pure 64 by default. This is not a good thing. |
| 07:26.20 | infinity1 | jdavis: got lots of deiban/noobuntu boxes around too |
| 07:26.21 | jdavis | infinity1: Oh. So there's 64 bit flash for windows? |
| 07:26.23 | pipeline | jdavis: 64 bit kernel + 32 bit userland = win. |
| 07:26.30 | crm__ | infinity1: how are you finding vista? |
| 07:26.34 | infinity1 | jdavis: nope. 32 bit browser |
| 07:26.45 | eitan | neekofab: What is vmware-player? |
| 07:27.00 | infinity1 | crm__: its ok. lots of games don't work in 64bit vista. |
| 07:27.00 | jdavis | infinity1: Oh, so you're using a 32 bit userland? |
| 07:27.10 | eitan | pipeline: no... I don't use them for punctuation... I use them to denote speaking pauses. |
| 07:27.37 | infinity1 | jdavis: yea. not much in the line of 64bit for windows. i can't recomplie photoshop in 64 bit for some reason :) |
| 07:27.45 | eitan | pipeline: My English is great. I just regress to using elipses because it is much quicker for typing at the keyboard. |
| 07:27.50 | jdavis | infinity1: I think this isn't an example of "why not to use linux" it's an example of "why not to use 64 bit userland" |
| 07:27.55 | pipeline | eitan: Knock it off with the dope then. That, or type slower. P.S.: Pauses in speech are generally indicated by commas. If a comma is not grammatically correct, you pause too often in your speech. |
| 07:28.43 | infinity1 | jdavis: well, to me, a microsoft gui is so easy. i have enough problems with txt mode land in linux. heh |
| 07:28.55 | eitan | pipeline: Well, I appreciate your help, but I don't think it's your place to tell me what kind of punctuation I'm going to use when in IRC. |
| 07:29.12 | pipeline | eitan: What other good am I? |
| 07:29.16 | neekofab | eitan www.vmware.com/products/player/ also check out qemu they both allow you to make a virtual pc within linux. |
| 07:29.20 | crm__ | you should have used more commas piper69 |
| 07:29.24 | crm__ | err pipeline |
| 07:29.32 | jdavis | Does anyone here know the easiest way to use my processor's virtualization to boot my windows drive while in linux? |
| 07:29.33 | pipeline | infinity1: That's because Microsoft has really a very good GUI. |
| 07:29.42 | pipeline | infinity1: But their better commandline tools are layered products :( |
| 07:30.00 | pipeline | jdavis: That's not really very practical, I'm afraid. |
| 07:30.02 | neekofab | eitan qemu is totally free, but a bit more complicated to get running if you need anything beyond basic networking |
| 07:30.03 | jdavis | infinity1: fair enough. I was just saying that flash incompatibility is not one of your reasons, since clearly it does work. |
| 07:30.11 | infinity1 | pipeline: yea. i'll agree with that. |
| 07:30.11 | pipeline | jdavis: Windows NT will flip out if you boot it inside VMware :( |
| 07:30.21 | infinity1 | jdavis: well, its easy to run a 32bit browser. |
| 07:30.30 | pipeline | eitan: By the way, VMware Server is much nicer than Player. |
| 07:30.37 | jdavis | pipeline: would you expect it to be easier when debian goes KVM? Is there some solution involving Xen? |
| 07:30.39 | infinity1 | jdavis: actually, it probably is easy to run 32 bit x apps in linux once you have done it once |
| 07:30.42 | eitan | pipeline: Well it's hard to tell if you're trying to be cute or trying to be a brute via a teletext type mode of communication like this one. So that's why my policy is to be as nice to people as possible and to keep the attitude to a minimum. |
| 07:31.01 | pipeline | jdavis: No. Windows NT flips out when you move an installation between hardware. |
| 07:31.06 | infinity1 | jdavis: i think redhat has everything there for you but debian is pure64 bit unless you create 32bit land yourself. |
| 07:31.30 | pipeline | eitan: That will not serve you well. This is IRC. Tell people about their mothers sucking cock in hell. It establishes your presence. |
| 07:31.53 | jdavis | pipeline: Hm... what about win98 or even another *nix drive (like openbsd or something)? |
| 07:32.06 | eitan | neekofab: ok... will give it a try... how does it compare to wine? |
| 07:32.24 | eitan | pipeline: ok... I'll check them all out... thanks for the tip./ |
| 07:32.47 | pipeline | jdavis: I'm not sure about Xen. VMware is like a whole different PC; nobody's hardware resembles VMware's virtualized hardware, and windows NT will flip out. |
| 07:32.49 | neekofab | eitan wine is not an emulator :) |
| 07:33.01 | pipeline | jdavis: Windows 9x doesn't freak out about hardware. If it has the drivers, it works. |
| 07:33.20 | pipeline | jdavis: The thing about NT is that it's portable. Ever seen OpenFirmware's hardware tree? |
| 07:33.40 | jdavis | pipeline: so should I be looking at xen or kvm? |
| 07:34.01 | eitan | pipeline: I'm reticent to do that. My bad luck in IRC is when I'm trying to be assertive or comical, haters seem to come out of the woodwork and I get kicked. That's why I'm not going to give anyone a good reason to dislike me. |
| 07:34.03 | pipeline | jdavis: I don't know what kvm has to do with anything. |
| 07:34.04 | jdavis | pipeline: No, can't say that I have. What do you mean NT is portable, anyway? |
| 07:34.12 | pipeline | eitan: Being kickbanned is normal. |
| 07:34.20 | jdavis | pipeline: kernel virtual machine, new in 2.6.20 |
| 07:34.21 | neekofab | eitan wine interperates windows system calls, and translates them to a linux one. vmware/qemu actaull emulate a pc from the motherboard,bios,hardware on up |
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| 07:34.45 | pipeline | jdavis: Yes, but it's just a generic interface for apps like qemu :P |
| 07:34.58 | jdavis | pipeline: sorry, they chose an acronym that's already taken. http://kerneltrap.org/ |
| 07:35.05 | pipeline | jdavis: OpenFirmware is sort of an equivalent of a BIOS on Macintoshes and Suns. It keeps a list of all the hardware on the system in a tree, and contains primitive drivers for them. |
| 07:35.12 | rokfit | so how does one install flash on a 64bit system? |
| 07:35.20 | pipeline | jdavis: NT is portable. On i386 and amd64, it maintains an OF-style tree, in the registry |
| 07:35.25 | jdavis | pipeline: Oh, ok |
| 07:35.31 | crm__ | ok ok |
| 07:35.32 | pipeline | jdavis: So, when the tree doesn't match the real hardware, it goes nuts and kernel panics. |
| 07:35.33 | dexomsrc | I'm trying to boot from the daily built etch netinst CD, but it complains that "VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(104,7)" "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" |
| 07:35.38 | crm__ | now every quiet for a secont |
| 07:35.44 | crm__ | shhhh |
| 07:35.44 | pipeline | jdavis: There's no firmware to update the tree for the poor NT kernel :( |
| 07:35.48 | eitan | pipeline: ok... that's cute. Well.... (I use elipses to keep my fingers moving when I'm thinking) anyway... I just like to be nice if at all possible. I do that in real life too. Maybe I'm just too sweet for some people. Though I am capable of rudeness, I don't like to do it. |
| 07:35.54 | dexomsrc | the netinst etch RC1 disc boots fine (but fails to install which is why I got the daily build) |
| 07:35.54 | jdavis | pipeline: Now I see what you mean. |
| 07:36.04 | eitan | neekofab: interesting. hold on... |
| 07:36.18 | pipeline | jdavis: NT still works on PPC after all these years :) |
| 07:36.37 | eitan | neekofab: is this vmware player a total giveaway or is it just a demo? |
| 07:36.45 | crm__ | someone help me for a tick please! |
| 07:36.51 | crm__ | i can't get my mouse working! |
| 07:36.55 | pipeline | jdavis: Even though the PPC port has been dead for well nigh ten years, the X360 dev kits were a rough port of the XBox operating system to regular PCs with PPC chips :) |
| 07:37.32 | jdavis | pipeline: interesting |
| 07:37.33 | pipeline | crm__: What does it do instead of working? Where is it supposed to be working that it's not? |
| 07:37.34 | neekofab | eitan vmware is free, however you cannot create the virtual machines. they want to steer your towards their payproduct (which does rock) to create them. |
| 07:37.57 | crm__ | pipeline .. when i boot i get a message "cannot load module psmouse" |
| 07:38.00 | dexomsrc | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(104,7) |
| 07:38.02 | dexomsrc | !!!!!!!! |
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| 07:38.09 | crm__ | and psmouse doesn't exist in modprobe pipeline |
| 07:38.13 | Guerin | dexomsrc: use a debian kernel |
| 07:38.15 | pipeline | crm__: From what? |
| 07:38.17 | crm__ | so where is it!? |
| 07:38.18 | eitan | neekofab: what do you mean by create the virtual machines? Do I have to "download" a windows virtual machine? |
| 07:38.26 | Guerin | crm__: you use a debian kernel too |
| 07:38.31 | pipeline | eitan: You don't have to download a windows VM. |
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| 07:38.34 | dexomsrc | Guerin: I am... I mean this is the Etch daily built netinst CD |
| 07:38.36 | neekofab | eitan try qemu first. what you'll do is read the howto's first (you knew that was coming) then create a virtualmachine, then install windows xp (or whatever) in it |
| 07:38.39 | crm__ | yes Guerin |
| 07:38.50 | jdavis | pipeline: i'll give up on booting NT/XP in linux then. would it be easy to use kvm or xen to boot, e.g., 32 bit openbsd? |
| 07:39.00 | pipeline | eitan: You need to get a windows disc. You can use VMware Server to create a new VM, then do a "repair" installation with a windows CD to run your existing windows setup inside VMware. |
| 07:39.03 | crm__ | Guerin 2.4 or close to that number |
| 07:39.09 | eitan | neekofab: I thought you couldn't create a vm. If I can make a vm, why do I need the pay product? |
| 07:39.19 | pipeline | jdavis: You can boot NT in linux, you just can't run your already-existing installation |
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| 07:39.30 | eitan | pipeline: I have a windows disc. |
| 07:39.36 | pipeline | eitan: The "Player" is the strip-down version. VMware Server is still free, but doesn't have the limited feature set of "Player" |
| 07:39.39 | jdavis | pipeline: Oh, that makes sense. |
| 07:39.44 | crm__ | Guerin and pipeline .. i have a serial mouse installed and xf86cfg doesn't see it |
| 07:40.05 | pipeline | jdavis: If you do a "Repair" installation of windows, over an existing install, it'll fix the tree stored in the registry and, err, make things work. |
| 07:40.15 | jdavis | pipeline: but I could boot an already existing installation of openbsd though? |
| 07:40.17 | pipeline | jdavis: of course, you'll have to do that every time you change hardware. |
| 07:40.21 | eitan | pipeline: Ok... cool. Thanks for telling me and thank you for your help. I'm getting really tired and want to turn in. |
| 07:40.22 | jdavis | pipeline: gotcha. |
| 07:40.22 | neekofab | eitan it's for running existing machines. eg. I made a XP VM for my wife to use with quicken. she runs debian etch, and pops on vmplayer to start the XP VM for windows crap |
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| 07:40.37 | pipeline | jdavis: Oh, very probably. The OpenBSD kernel is pretty primitive, so it would only work with the GENERIC kernel. |
| 07:40.56 | eitan | neekofab: thanks for your help too. I really appreciate it. I'm going to look into vm ware later. I need to get some sleep now. Thanks again. |
| 07:41.10 | eitan | neekofab: hope to see you online again soon. |
| 07:41.19 | neekofab | eitan the XP VM prints to cups running on her machine, shares files (via samba) with her machine |
| 07:41.36 | Guerin | crm__: the 1980s want their input device back |
| 07:41.41 | crm__ | Guerin and pipeline .. this is a laptop and the touch pad doesn't work either |
| 07:41.41 | eitan | neekfab: ok... will do. |
| 07:41.44 | jdavis | pipeline: Ok, thanks for the information. |
| 07:41.47 | neekofab | eitan cheerio. luck with teh linux switch |
| 07:42.06 | eitan | neekofab: thanks... g'night. |
| 07:42.15 | crm__ | Guerin .. this must be possible... i thought linux catered to the dark ages |
| 07:42.24 | crm__ | Guerin .. windows can do it =) |
| 07:42.51 | peterS | crm__: modprobe sermouse |
| 07:42.56 | infinity1 | crm__: serial mouse? wholy shit |
| 07:43.02 | crm__ | peterS .. trying that |
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| 07:43.03 | peterS | crm__: then pretend it's just like any other mouse, /dev/input/mice, etc., etc. |
| 07:43.17 | infinity1 | crm__: let me guess. its a 25 pin mouse. hahaha |
| 07:43.24 | peterS | infinity1: more likely 9 pin |
| 07:43.39 | crm__ | peterS .. can't locate module sermouse |
| 07:43.47 | peterS | crm__: what kernel version have you got? |
| 07:43.50 | crm__ | damn.. this debian install has no modules |
| 07:43.51 | peterS | 'uname -r' will tell |
| 07:44.14 | crm__ | 2.4.27-3 peterS |
| 07:44.16 | crm__ | ta =) |
| 07:44.33 | peterS | crm__: oh so 2.4 kernels don't have the 'sermouse' module. so XFree86 et al have to talk to the serial port directly |
| 07:44.52 | peterS | crm__: you give it device /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1 or whatever, protocol "ms" or "bare" or "IntelliMouse" |
| 07:45.16 | crm__ | peterS .. any ideas on the touch pad? |
| 07:45.28 | peterS | crm__: touchpads are usually device /dev/psaux and protocol PS/2 |
| 07:45.45 | crm__ | peterS .. can't locate module psaux either? |
| 07:45.52 | peterS | crm__: no module needed, it's built in |
| 07:45.59 | crm__ | k |
| 07:46.16 | crm__ | do i manually modify xfree config? |
| 07:46.43 | peterS | crm__: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' to start, but that only lets you define one mouse, you'll need to edit it manually to define the other one |
| 07:46.57 | crm__ | peterS .. lemme try |
| 07:46.58 | peterS | crm__: if you upgrade to a 2.6 kernel, this generally becomes much simpler |
| 07:47.37 | buu | Hrm. How do I get mod_fastcgi for apache? |
| 07:47.39 | buu | Er, apache2 |
| 07:47.45 | crm__ | peterS .. is 2.6 a stable kernel? |
| 07:47.46 | peterS | buu: I believe it's in non-free |
| 07:48.02 | crm__ | peterS .. i just downloaded this OS from the internet.. thought i would have got the latests |
| 07:48.02 | peterS | crm__: the 2.6.8 shipped with sarge is considered good enough for many many people. I dunno. |
| 07:48.18 | buu | Oh, hrm. |
| 07:48.24 | peterS | crm__: sarge (debian 3.1) ships with 2 kernels, 2.4.27 and 2.6.8, the default is 2.4.27 so if you didn't install it specially that's what you get |
| 07:48.51 | crm__ | peterS .. can't remember getting the option on this machine |
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| 07:49.05 | buu | peterS: So.. when the really stupid installation script for lighttpd fails because it can't bind to port 80 and then says "errors were encoutered", does that mean it was installed or not? |
| 07:49.11 | crm__ | peterS .. but anyway.. i've installed to another machine and remember the option on that |
| 07:49.12 | peterS | crm__: if you really want the latest, what you want to do is install etch (debian 4.0), which is still in beta, but it works great for many of us. it ships with a 2.6.18 kernel, which is a lot newer even than 2.6.8 |
| 07:49.55 | peterS | crm__: the kernel option happens at the initial "Boot:" line when you first put the CD in. if you hit F1 or F3 you see options for different ways to boot, one such option is how to boot the installer with a 2.6.8 kernel, which in turn installs that same 2.6.8 kernel |
| 07:50.18 | crm__ | peterS .. im doing another install soon.. so I'll try that |
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| 07:50.49 | peterS | crm__: I really do recommend the etch prerelease, instead of the stable release, as long as you're doing a new install anyway. see www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for CD images |
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| 07:51.17 | Arafangion | How do I mount a partition from an image of a hard drive? |
| 07:51.36 | crm__ | peterS .. i'll come in here and ask again when im actually doing the install =) |
| 07:51.36 | peterS | Arafangion: mount -o loop /tmp/whatever /mnt |
| 07:52.08 | Arafangion | peterS: How does it know which partition to mount? ;) |
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| 07:52.10 | peterS | buu: I don't know anything about the really stupid lighttpd script |
| 07:52.16 | buu | =[ |
| 07:52.25 | buu | Is there anyway to like, make it skip that step? |
| 07:52.31 | peterS | Arafangion: so this is a whole-disk image, with a partition table and everything? |
| 07:52.53 | Arafangion | peterS: Correct. I'm actually trying to get some files onto a freedos vmware system. |
| 07:53.35 | Arafangion | peterS: I /could/ make a CD iso, but I'd like to try and do it this way first :) |
| 07:53.50 | peterS | Arafangion: that complicates matters, then, because I don't know of any way to get the kernel to read a partition table from a file. what you probably have to do is figure out where the partitions start and end and run 'losetup' with custom parameters to set up a /dev/loop0 corresponding to the right region. then mount /dev/loop0 as a regular filesystem |
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| 07:55.00 | Arafangion | peterS: I think I'll just use a CD image and let freedos read that ;) |
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| 07:57.01 | crm__ | yay.. thanks peterS .. ive got the mouse pad working! |
| 07:57.45 | peterS | crm__: good deal. now what you'll need to do for the serial mouse ... well, the easiest thing is to upgrade to the 2.6.8 kernel, where both mice are handled in-kernel and the X server only sees one virtual mouse exported by the kernel |
| 07:57.49 | crm__ | peterS .. i initially tried /dev/ttyS0 for the mouse.. and it didn't work |
| 07:57.59 | Arafangion | Note to self: Always specify an output file with mkisofs |
| 07:58.13 | peterS | crm__: do you know which serial port it's plugged into? many computers have 2 or more |
| 07:58.40 | crm__ | peterS .. its on a DB9 serial port.. and im not sure how linux recognised it |
| 07:58.54 | peterS | crm__: anyway, /dev/ttyS0 should work, if you use the right mouse protocol. that will depend on the type of serial mouse. like what brand is it, does it have a scroll wheel, is it 2-button or 3-button |
| 07:59.00 | crm__ | peterS .. i thought it would be the first /dev/tty entry |
| 07:59.31 | crm__ | peterS .. its a 3 button .. no scrollwheel.. noname mouse = |
| 07:59.32 | crm__ | ) |
| 07:59.32 | peterS | crm__: yeah, linux probably sees it as /dev/ttyS0 then, unless the laptop also has an infrared (IrDA) port, in which case the BIOS _might_ assign that as com1 (ttyS0) or as com2 (ttyS1) |
| 07:59.46 | crm__ | peterS .. yes it has IR |
| 08:00.07 | peterS | crm__: so we don't know for _sure_ that the bios sets the real serial port as com1 (ttyS0), though it _probably_ does |
| 08:00.13 | crm__ | ahh.. peterS .. that might make a bit more sense.. because i haven't been able to get anything out of /dev/ttyS0 |
| 08:00.51 | crm__ | peterS .. so can i get both working by modifying the X config file? |
| 08:00.54 | peterS | crm__: anyway. assuming ttyS0 is right, you probably want the protocol named "Mousesystems", but it's possible that you want protocol "Microsoft" instead |
| 08:01.14 | Arafangion | At last, my all-time fav game works :) |
| 08:01.15 | crm__ | k.. i'll do the reconfigure peterS |
| 08:01.27 | peterS | crm__: I think most no-name 3-button mice are MouseSystems compatible, but I'm not certain. that is old tech nowadays, I didn't get into mouse driver hacking until well after PS/2 mice were the majority (: |
| 08:02.22 | crm__ | another question if you dont mind peterS .. how do i find out the amount of mem on the video card? |
| 08:02.47 | peterS | crm__: generally you ignore that question, only a few video drivers have problems autodetecting it |
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| 08:03.17 | crm__ | peterS ..it's more an "out of interest" question |
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| 08:03.41 | peterS | crm__: you can read /var/log/XFree86.0.log for "more than you ever wanted to know about your video and mouse hardware" |
| 08:03.44 | crm__ | peterS .. i bought this old clunker laptop for robotics work.. and haven't used linux much recenty =) |
| 08:03.56 | Christoph_vW | I install the gcc compiler with apt-get - but it doesn't work |
| 08:04.07 | peterS | Christoph_vW: install also the "build-essential" virtual package |
| 08:04.33 | peterS | Christoph_vW: it will pull in various tools commonly used for development work |
| 08:04.52 | crm__ | peterS .. thats doing more than i expected.. the mouse pointer went to the bottom left corner immediately |
| 08:04.54 | Christoph_vW | doesn't seem to exist |
| 08:05.02 | Christoph_vW | oh |
| 08:05.07 | Christoph_vW | sorry--- typo |
| 08:05.17 | peterS | crm__: so that means you got the wrong protocol. if you tried MouseSystems, next try Microsoft |
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| 08:05.56 | crm__ | peterS .. just finished reconfigure with it.. |
| 08:06.05 | crm__ | peterS .. and its working perfectly |
| 08:06.12 | crm__ | peterS .. you're brilliant!! |
| 08:06.35 | peterS | crm__: cool. now if you want both the trackpad and the serial mouse to work, you have to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 so you can define both |
| 08:07.29 | crm__ | peterS .. vi. ing it now |
| 08:07.37 | crm__ | peterS .. what do i look for? |
| 08:07.56 | crm__ | found Section "InputDevice" |
| 08:08.07 | peterS | crm__: you'll find there is a "default mouse" section and a "configured mouse" section. the "default mouse" section is for use with USB mice and/or 2.6 kernels. you can hijack that one for your other mouse device if you want |
| 08:08.48 | crm__ | peterS .. i also have a usb mouse that has been working and i would like to continue using it later |
| 08:09.06 | peterS | crm__: oh, ok, so you want 3 mice defined. so leave the "default mouse" section alone then |
| 08:09.28 | peterS | crm__: instead, duplicate it and give it another name, then change Protocol to "PS/2" and Device to "/dev/psaux" |
| 08:10.03 | peterS | crm__: when you've done that, find Section "ServerLayout" and add your third mouse section to that, along with the other two that are already there |
| 08:10.12 | crm__ | k .. brb |
| 08:10.54 | unlink | how does the cpu time ulimit work? |
| 08:12.15 | peterS | each process which is ulimited is not allowed to use more CPU than its limit |
| 08:12.37 | unlink | oh, thanks |
| 08:12.42 | peterS | but it is per-process rather than per-user, so it's not really useful for imposing limits on users, more for stopping runaway CPU-bound processes |
| 08:13.43 | unlink | what is "resident set size"? |
| 08:13.51 | peterS | physical memory used by a process |
| 08:14.02 | peterS | as opposed to virtual memory, some of which might be swapped out |
| 08:14.17 | valdyn | ... or not really used at all |
| 08:14.38 | unlink | the RES column in top, i guess? |
| 08:14.50 | peterS | resident set size is usually denoted as RSS |
| 08:15.02 | peterS | but I guess top calls it 'RES', yes |
| 08:15.17 | peterS | 'ps u' calls it RSS |
| 08:15.33 | peterS | (and virtual memory it calls VSZ) |
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| 08:17.27 | unlink | whas is locked in memory address space? |
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| 08:18.30 | Mooi | Hello, when I run gdb and my program, I get "Failed to read a valid object file image from memory." < As far as google tells me - its an issue with latest linux kernel. still - any ideas on what to do to avoid this? Debian Etch here. gdb 6.4.90-debian on 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 08:20.00 | peterS | unlink: why do you ask? |
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| 08:20.33 | unlink | i'm setting ulimits, and i don't know what some of the fields mean, and they don't seem to be documented |
| 08:20.38 | peterS | then don't set them |
| 08:21.01 | valdyn | unlink: 'man mlock' |
| 08:21.25 | unlink | or, learn what they are and see if i need to lock them |
| 08:21.35 | unlink | s/lock/set |
| 08:21.55 | peterS | you don't _need_ to set any of those things |
| 08:22.10 | Tallu | What would be a good place to look into when I'm trying to limit the allowed amount of processes per user to prevent fork bombs. I'd normally go google myself, but I dont have a gui on this machine and well.. lynx is useful, not just in this case. :P |
| 08:22.11 | unlink | it's possible. |
| 08:22.14 | ebbs | hi.. What if Im getting the error: unable to dup2 the error log? There even are man pages for dup2 in the web, but I cant find any package, which includes this function.... |
| 08:22.22 | unlink | maybe i'll never have a problem. |
| 08:22.30 | peterS | Tallu: use elinks, much nicer than lynx |
| 08:22.44 | Tallu | peterS: ooh, ok |
| 08:22.45 | peterS | Tallu: besides, web sites about Linux administration rarely rely on fancy graphics to make their points |
| 08:23.08 | unlink | Tallu: edit /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 08:23.13 | Tallu | hmm okay |
| 08:23.21 | peterS | ebbs: dup2 is a core system function, if you install 'manpages-dev' you can do 'man dup2'. but I don't know why something would fail to dup2 the error log |
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| 08:23.52 | Tallu | unlink: thanks |
| 08:23.57 | ebbs | peterS, k thank you for the information... |
| 08:24.16 | crm_ | do you have ops in here peterS ? |
| 08:24.26 | peterS | Tallu: two things to know about elinks, (1) you can use the mouse with it in console mode (or in an xterm); (2) hit ESC and then the arrow keys to get to the menu bar. oh yeah and (3) use t to open a new tab and < > to cycle through tabs and c to close a tab. |
| 08:24.28 | crm_ | you should =) |
| 08:24.30 | peterS | crm_: maybe |
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| 08:25.11 | Tallu | peterS: wow, elinks looks pretty good |
| 08:25.22 | Tallu | peterS: i was just checking it out |
| 08:25.29 | crazy_penguin | Hello! |
| 08:25.29 | peterS | Tallu: I use it every day. 'links2' also has its fans - they're both fine browsers, I'm just used to elinks |
| 08:26.02 | Tallu | peterS: much appreciated. :) |
| 08:26.03 | peterS | (they're variants of the same browser 'links', which I suppose got its name from 'lynx' - so many browsers with similar names (: ) |
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| 08:27.17 | carlus_ | hello from France ! |
| 08:27.21 | ebbs | peterS, oh.. hmm.. probably it is also important to say,that the whole error message is: unable to dup2 the error log: Bad file descriptor... :-) |
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| 08:27.38 | deepz | guys while installing etch from netiso |
| 08:27.51 | deepz | after the mirror scaning and package selection |
| 08:27.55 | deepz | i ama getting aa error |
| 08:27.56 | peterS | ebbs: so that's most likely a bug in whatever program reported it. so, what program reported it? |
| 08:28.09 | carlus_ | everybody sleeps here ! i need help with a little question .... |
| 08:28.21 | ebbs | peterS, hmm :-) hydra |
| 08:28.24 | deepz | on cli it says 'debian menu item pkgsel failed' |
| 08:28.33 | deepz | installation does not proceed |
| 08:28.37 | peterS | ebbs: well, as you can see from 'man dup2': EBADF oldfd isn't an open file descriptor, or newfd is out of the allowed range for file descriptors. |
| 08:28.39 | deepz | what do i do |
| 08:28.59 | peterS | ebbs: I don't see how a program could get into that state without being buggy |
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| 08:29.09 | Arafangion | deepz: Try telling us why it failed. (Hint: The error messages tell you) |
| 08:29.16 | Christoph_vW | I set up a raid with mdadm - but it is not working as it should |
| 08:29.25 | liable | hrm, seems quite a few problems with the installer atm, wonder if the mirror it uses is down |
| 08:29.35 | ebbs | peterS, k Ill try it with another version,, thx |
| 08:29.39 | carlus_ | how can work with vi with remote ftp files ? |
| 08:30.07 | peterS | carlus_: vi in general can't do that, there may be a vim module if you use vim as your vi. or emacs has a couple modules for that sort of thing ('ange-ftp' and some newer one that replaced it) |
| 08:30.08 | Arafangion | carlus_: You download them first. |
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| 08:30.12 | Christoph_vW | in mdstat is displays to working raidsets, but at boot I get two error msg |
| 08:30.28 | Arafangion | carlus_: But I highly recommend using vim, especially the latest version. It's so much better. |
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| 08:30.46 | carlus_ | witch module for vim ? |
| 08:30.49 | Arafangion | carlus_: vim even has plugins on vim.org that might let you directly edit remote files without manually downloading them first. |
| 08:30.50 | peterS | Arafangion: yeah now that the Debian default config no longer enables syntax highlighting, vim is usable |
| 08:30.52 | deepz | arafangion : tasksel:aptitue failed:(225) |
| 08:30.54 | Arafangion | carlus_: Try "vim". |
| 08:30.56 | Supaplex | !tell carlus_ -about search |
| 08:31.16 | Arafangion | peterS: I like syntax highlighting, but indeed, it should not be the default. |
| 08:31.20 | crm__ | peterS .. i could you please verify the protocol for me .. i've put in PS2 but the mouse pad isn't working.. basically i copied the generic mouse and changed the identifier to "mousepad" the device to "/dev/psaux" and the protocl to "PS2"? |
| 08:31.31 | deepz | warning**** configuring pkgsel failed with error code 1 |
| 08:31.36 | peterS | Arafangion: I like it when it's subtle, but the vim highlight modes hurt your eyes even if you wear sunglasses |
| 08:31.47 | Arafangion | peterS: Use a different colour scheme. |
| 08:31.59 | peterS | Arafangion: easier just to disable it, so I'm glad they did |
| 08:32.02 | carlus_ | ok tks, i'll try with vim |
| 08:32.04 | deepz | arfangion:i have written the error check out |
| 08:32.16 | peterS | crm__: I said "PS/2" |
| 08:32.22 | crm__ | ta |
| 08:32.37 | peterS | crm__: did you also add "mousepad" to the "ServerLayout" section? |
| 08:32.48 | Arafangion | peterS: Well, certain files take *forever* to load with syntax highlighting, so it shouldn't be the default. (Even better, imho, to have subtle highlighting, AND disable highlighting if the file takes too long to load) |
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| 08:33.00 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 08:33.00 | crm__ | peterS .. not yet =) |
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| 08:33.20 | peterS | crm__: that makes a difference. the X server ignores InputDevice sections that aren't mentioned in ServerLayout |
| 08:33.35 | unlink | why can |
| 08:33.51 | unlink | why can't i remount / readonly? i get the error message mount: / is busy |
| 08:33.56 | unlink | what exactly does it mean for / to be busy? |
| 08:34.05 | crm__ | yay .. both are working! |
| 08:34.06 | peterS | it means someone's using it. some process. |
| 08:34.07 | valdyn | unlink: files are open for write access on / |
| 08:34.27 | mynullvoid | I am thinking of installing MRTG to check my firewall statistics, but the documentation I seen, it asks me to install apache in my firewall, is't possible so that I run apache on my other machine, where my other machine will get data from my firewall? |
| 08:34.27 | valdyn | !wayttd unlink |
| 08:34.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, unlink? |
| 08:34.29 | peterS | crm__: w00t. and if you plug a USB mouse in, and if you have the correct kernel modules loaded, that will Just Work too |
| 08:34.54 | peterS | the 'generic mouse' section for USB mice is pretty much foolproof, if the kernel modules are loaded |
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| 08:35.18 | jpin | does anyone know how to pass from standard input without using echo? like "echo 1 2 | myprog" |
| 08:35.36 | jpin | (and without using a file... myprog < file" |
| 08:35.46 | peterS | jpin: what's wrong with echo? |
| 08:36.42 | jpin | peterS: i was wondering if i could get some time passing 1000 numbers in another way |
| 08:37.01 | unlink | valdyn: there aren't any, though |
| 08:37.04 | peterS | jpin: if you mean 1000 numbers in a row, try the 'seq' command. like 'seq 1 1000 | myprog' |
| 08:37.18 | Adlai | jpin, why on earth would you want to type in 1000 numbers through standard input |
| 08:37.21 | valdyn | unlink: how do you know that? |
| 08:37.27 | Adlai | do what peterS said |
| 08:37.30 | jpin | peterS: thanks |
| 08:37.35 | unlink | valdyn: lsof |
| 08:37.37 | Supaplex | jpin: try running cat all on its own. stdin is already used. no pipe or redirection needed. |
| 08:37.43 | jpin | Adlai: why on earth woudn't why? |
| 08:37.47 | peterS | jpin: if the 1000 numbers are generated by some other program - well, have it output a file, or output to standard output and pipe it.. |
| 08:37.49 | Adlai | what? |
| 08:37.50 | mynullvoid | jpin: please look at 'expect' |
| 08:38.07 | Supaplex | and autoexpect |
| 08:38.28 | peterS | wait what does 'expect' have to do with passing standard input? |
| 08:38.45 | peterS | he didn't say terminal input |
| 08:39.02 | mynullvoid | hmmmm |
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| 08:39.27 | jpin | mynullvoid: thanks |
| 08:39.39 | mynullvoid | pass from standard input without echo - I can only think of expect |
| 08:39.50 | jpin | but that's not in my direction |
| 08:39.57 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 08:40.31 | jpin | i was just trying to avoid piping somewhow.. but for 1000 numbers maybe it's irrelevant |
| 08:41.08 | peterS | I don't know what mechanism besides piping you could possibly use, since you also don't want to create an input file |
| 08:41.22 | jpin | right |
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| 08:45.05 | FuriousRage | what was the command i could use to see how many ram sticks my computer have and what amount? (without open it up ;>) |
| 08:45.52 | enouf | FuriousRage: apt-get install hwinfo lshw dmidecode |
| 08:46.10 | FuriousRage | enouf: thanks, i think it was lshw i used last. |
| 08:47.07 | peterS | FuriousRage: yeah 'dmidecode' will usually tell |
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| 08:50.36 | enouf | heh .. hwinfo --bios spits out very similar to dmidecode info, though the --memory option isn't very informative |
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| 08:52.07 | FuriousRage | is the max ram thing dmidecode says "fixed" on the mobo? |
| 08:52.28 | enouf | let's shorten up the output, shall we? hwinfo --bios | grep -A 8 Memory |
| 08:53.05 | enouf | FuriousRage: like Max. Size: 768 MB that? |
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| 08:53.56 | FuriousRage | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/350209 that what it says. |
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| 08:54.47 | enouf | FuriousRage: just do dmidecode | grep -i memory |
| 08:55.09 | FuriousRage | Maximum Memory Module Size: 256 MB |
| 08:55.10 | FuriousRage | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.29 | jpin | does anyone know how to "fetch" the linux time command output? |
| 08:55.43 | enouf | FuriousRage: hehe ..same here .. Intel 440bx oldie, but goodie ;-) |
| 08:55.47 | jpin | i'm unable to redirect stderr and stdout |
| 08:56.09 | peterS | jpin: redirect stderr with 2>filename |
| 08:56.19 | peterS | jpin: or combine it into stdout with 2>&1 |
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| 08:56.28 | jpin | peterS: doesn't work |
| 08:56.34 | Yggdrasil | how can i tell what my gid / uid is ? from cli |
| 08:56.39 | peterS | jpin: order is important - if you are redirecting stdout, do that _first_ then 2>&1 |
| 08:56.40 | FuriousRage | enouf: dell dimention xps r400 here, but the 448mb ram it got now isnt enough and i found a cheap 512mb stick i could buy, but it seams 768mb ram is max on that box, and it probably would be better to see if i can pick together some of my old p4's instead |
| 08:56.45 | peterS | Yggdrasil: id |
| 08:57.20 | Yggdrasil | thaks |
| 08:57.23 | peterS | FuriousRage: http://crucial.com has a big database about what kind of memory can be used in various computer models |
| 08:57.38 | peterS | FuriousRage: you don't have to buy your memory there, just consult their site to see what kind they'd _like_ to sell you (: |
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| 08:57.56 | enouf | meh .. stupid butons/apps.. heh |
| 08:57.57 | jpin | nope.. i'm just testing this: time ls 2>aa.txt |
| 08:58.06 | enouf | FuriousRage: say again? |
| 08:58.12 | enouf | Dell or something? |
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| 08:58.20 | jpin | peterS: time ls > a.txt 2>&1 also doesn't work |
| 08:58.25 | FuriousRage | enouf: dell dimention xps r400 |
| 08:58.27 | peterS | jpin: there may be a difference between the bash builtin time and /usr/bin/time from the 'time' Debian package |
| 08:58.43 | jpin | peterS: hmm... got it, thanks |
| 08:59.07 | enouf | FuriousRage: dmidecode/lshw/hwinfo is usually right .. go go google .. or whip out the mobo manual :-P |
| 08:59.20 | peterS | jpin: to get the non-builtin version you can either specify /usr/bin/time or just say 'command time' (where 'command' is bash language for "...as opposed to bash builtin") |
| 08:59.44 | peterS | enouf: I already told him about the memory selector at crucial.com, it's probably better than google for this purpose |
| 08:59.46 | FuriousRage | enouf: manual, what that? ;> dont think i got those left on this what 6+ years old box ;> |
| 08:59.53 | jpin | peterS: thanks, seem like the buitin time doesn't allow redirection of the values |
| 09:00.00 | enouf | FuriousRage: though! .. OEMs are known to make .. erm .. less than fully capable components .. offshoots of the orig |
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| 09:00.22 | enouf | peterS: aye |
| 09:00.24 | peterS | jpin: right, that's possibly a bug (or possibly it's by design, who knows) |
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| 09:00.41 | jpin | peterS: yeah, which is... bad. |
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| 09:01.15 | peterS | jpin: so use a shell like dash, which doesn't even _have_ a time builtin - so 'time' will always run the system version |
| 09:01.33 | _fjh_ | Hi good morning |
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| 09:01.37 | enouf | FuriousRage: you likely want PC100/133 SDRAM .. just make certain it's the older "micron" style .. not too dense .. CL2/2.5/3 will suffice |
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| 09:01.54 | jpin | peterS: thanks |
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| 09:02.16 | peterS | enouf: maybe _you_ can tell him about the crucial.com memory advisor tool, I'm not sure he's listening to me |
| 09:03.01 | FuriousRage | peterS: ive checked, and that site says max 384mb ram, and i already got 448mb |
| 09:03.02 | FuriousRage | enouf: im thinking if it would be better to toss together one of my old p4 rigs, only need new ram for it, i think.. hmm forgot my i tossed my old p4 |
| 09:03.04 | enouf | FuriousRage: now .. go to Crucial.com as peterS has stated twice/thrice now, and then go shopping, or buy direct from them, they guarantee compatibility |
| 09:03.45 | enouf | FuriousRage: yep .. that's OEM vs the true Intel mobo specs |
| 09:04.18 | FuriousRage | enouf: and which is witch? the site tells the oem version? |
| 09:04.26 | enouf | FuriousRage: yep .. |
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| 09:05.14 | peterS | FuriousRage: if dmidecode says max 768 MB, then apparently your motherboard is newer than what crucial.com thinks and can accept 256MB DIMMs, but I still wouldn't try a 512MB DIMM |
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| 09:05.20 | enouf | FuriousRage: where do you think they get their info from? .. again OEM products are totally custom in some way/shape/form, and usually err on the cheap side :-P |
| 09:05.45 | peterS | it seems you have 256 + 128 + 64 in there, if you upgrade to 256 + 256 + 128 that's 650 MB, which ought to be enough for anybody |
| 09:06.00 | peterS | errr, 640 MB, which ought to be enough for anybody |
| 09:06.16 | enouf | get 3x 256 ... set |
| 09:06.51 | FuriousRage | enouf: well, i run a java server on that box, and ive seen other comments that it even crashes due to OOM (java) with 1 gig ram allowed ;> |
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| 09:07.24 | enouf | FuriousRage: you have my condolensces |
| 09:07.29 | peterS | FuriousRage: OOM really means out-of-swap. you might be running with less than optimal amount of swap. (you can't really have too much, the system will ignore any swap it doesn't use, so I'd go with a couple GB of it) |
| 09:07.52 | Callahad | Okay, I'm dumb. I have a list of packages I want to install, one per line, in a file called 'foo'. How can I pipe this into aptitude? Both `aptitude -s install < foo` and `cat foo | aptitude -s install` do nothing. |
| 09:07.52 | stoned | man my swap never gets used |
| 09:08.18 | enouf | I wouldn't let java run my toaster |
| 09:08.20 | FuriousRage | peterS: Swap: 1317 80 1237 |
| 09:08.24 | peterS | but it may be that if you don't have piles of RAM, java runs even slower than you expect for java.. |
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| 09:09.38 | Tallu | yes well java can be really memory-hungry |
| 09:09.40 | enouf | FuriousRage: we're getting a bit off-topic here .. you have the info .. now go do :-) |
| 09:09.58 | FuriousRage | enouf: yes, and thanks for the help ;> it easy to get OT ;> |
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| 09:10.04 | peterS | Callahad: that is the situation 'xargs' was invented for. xargs aptitude install < filename |
| 09:10.05 | stoned | I can't even use my whole RAM up let alone swap |
| 09:10.20 | enouf | Buy newer hardware .. like new software requires .. or use old tried true and tested code :-p |
| 09:10.22 | Callahad | peterS: Great, thanks! I'll read the man page |
| 09:10.37 | dondelelcaro | better to use xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < filename; aptitude install |
| 09:10.45 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ah, point |
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| 09:12.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I didn't know about --schedule-only, but the option name is pretty self-documenting (: |
| 09:12.29 | Callahad | dondelelcaro, peterS: I will of course be setting different command args -- I just needed to figure out how the heck to pass in an external list of packages :) |
| 09:12.31 | dondelelcaro | including gems like aptitude search ''(~RBrecommends:~i|~RBsuggests:~i)!~i' |
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| 09:13.08 | mc__ | how to get the device id of an onboard network card? |
| 09:13.20 | dondelelcaro | and the previously discussed aptitude -F'%100p' search '~i!~M' |
| 09:13.24 | peterS | mc__: "device id"? like the MAC address? |
| 09:13.31 | peterS | mc__: 'ifconfig -a' will tell |
| 09:14.17 | mc__ | peterS: nope the device id, a driver for a diffrent operating system needs to know the device id |
| 09:14.45 | peterS | mc__: lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}' |
| 09:15.01 | peterS | mc__: should print XXXX:YYYY, which is the Vendor ID and the Device ID |
| 09:15.25 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: aptitude-fu is <reply> To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search ''(~RBrecommends:~i|~RBsuggests:~i)!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 09:15.25 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 09:15.57 | jpin | peterS: 0200 is for networks? |
| 09:15.59 | Supaplex | two '' ? |
| 09:16.25 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: aptitude-fu =~ s/''/'/ |
| 09:16.25 | peterS | jpin: 0200 is the PCI class for "Ethernet controller". probably doesn't apply to wireless NICs |
| 09:16.25 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
| 09:16.39 | enouf | ahh .. you caught that dondelelcaro :-) |
| 09:16.43 | jpin | peterS: man...! you know that by head? :-) |
| 09:16.44 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: it snuck in there |
| 09:17.05 | Supaplex | :) |
| 09:17.09 | peterS | jpin: no ... but it's easy to look up. I do know audio controllers are 0401 and IDE controllers are 0100, because I have to know that pretty often when helping people in here |
| 09:17.11 | stoned | pain |
| 09:17.28 | jpin | peterS: cool! |
| 09:17.41 | Supaplex | peterS: I wonder where the reference for that is. |
| 09:18.01 | enouf | stoned: strunk got trolled last night via a regular here :-P |
| 09:18.09 | stoned | who? |
| 09:18.13 | peterS | jpin: you can see all the classes with 'grep -A20 ^C /usr/share/misc/pci.ids' |
| 09:18.15 | stoned | what |
| 09:18.16 | enouf | though briefly only .. |
| 09:18.21 | enouf | nevermind |
| 09:18.23 | stoned | I was strunk doofus |
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| 09:18.29 | enouf | hehe |
| 09:18.35 | peterS | jpin: ...and looking at that list, I see I was mistaken about 0100, IDE is actually 0101 |
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| 09:18.50 | stoned | you mean when stew was messin with my head |
| 09:18.57 | enouf | yep |
| 09:18.59 | stoned | that was pretty crazy hehe |
| 09:19.30 | jpin | peterS: yeap, same here, 0101 |
| 09:19.34 | stoned | he almost took the piss |
| 09:19.52 | streuner | jpin: there a full list at sf.net |
| 09:20.22 | peterS | streuner: that's not terribly useful information since I already told him the full list in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 09:20.40 | jpin | streuner: thanks |
| 09:20.47 | streuner | http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii/ |
| 09:21.18 | peterS | streuner: how many new PCI classes have been defined in recent years, then? |
| 09:21.35 | peterS | streuner: do you really think /usr/share/misc/pci.ids doesn't know about ethernet controllers or something? |
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| 09:21.58 | streuner | peterS: no, maybe its easier for him to see those online ;-) |
| 09:22.10 | peterS | streuner: easier than reading a text file on his own system? how? |
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| 09:22.16 | jpin | streuner: hmm.. ibm doesn't have hardware? |
| 09:22.37 | jpin | streuner: i mean, pci stuff? |
| 09:22.52 | streuner | jpin: good question |
| 09:22.56 | peterS | jpin: they are Vendor ID 1014 |
| 09:23.12 | peterS | jpin: read /usr/share/misc/pci.ids and look for a line starting with 1014 |
| 09:23.17 | Warsaw | anyone would know about making a script that would compare a mirror file archive and only copy the largest file size between both locations. to be able to grab the most up to date/complete files between 2 mirrored archives. |
| 09:23.19 | Warsaw | both should have the same files/size but if one goes down it will have a smaller archive so i would like to have the most complete archived between the two |
| 09:23.30 | bunker | hey infernix u fag piece of shit pussy asshole my friend gave me logs about your msn chat like "<infernix>yes that was when I molested young lolitas" |
| 09:24.01 | bunker | we notified the police |
| 09:24.01 | bunker | guys this man sick |
| 09:24.01 | peterS | that's one of a handful of vendor IDs I don't have to look up, it got burned into my personal NVRAM many years ago |
| 09:24.01 | bunker | he molesting childrens |
| 09:24.01 | bunker | not joke |
| 09:24.01 | enouf | another fan infernix ? |
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| 09:24.14 | jpin | peterS: well, yeah... but they are not in http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii/?p=%2A |
| 09:24.27 | peterS | jpin: so read the file you already have on your local disk then |
| 09:24.29 | stoned | !ptab |
| 09:24.29 | jpin | peterS: err.. .actually they are :-) (ooops) |
| 09:24.55 | jpin | peterS: (yeap, also on the list, as well as the site: 1014) |
| 09:25.08 | xingu | peterS: my wireless nic is 0214 if you care about sampling datapoints. |
| 09:25.09 | streuner | jpin: sure there are..., http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii/?i=1014 |
| 09:25.20 | jpin | streuner: yeap, got it :-) |
| 09:25.24 | peterS | jpin: another vendor ID I don't have to look up is Intel, they are 8086, which is pretty easy to remember.. |
| 09:25.40 | jpin | peterS: good one |
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| 09:26.23 | peterS | and I only know realtek is 10ec because so many people have problems with their realtek 8139 cards in here (PCI ID 10ec:8139) |
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| 09:26.54 | stoned | Extreme Unction. |
| 09:27.18 | stoned | I'm about to kick my computer's ass. |
| 09:27.24 | stoned | argh! |
| 09:27.26 | Supaplex | my rtl8139's work fine. as long as I use the right driver :) but I have e100's mostly |
| 09:27.43 | Supaplex | stoned: play some gnu chess! |
| 09:27.50 | stoned | :( |
| 09:27.56 | stoned | I gotta get this thing to work |
| 09:28.03 | peterS | yeah I've had good luck with 8139 cards. but I don't mistake them for server grade hardware by any means. |
| 09:28.27 | dondelelcaro | they're fine so long as you don't expect them to do line speed |
| 09:28.47 | peterS | dondelelcaro: line speed in my case is 3 Mbit ADSL so yeah (: |
| 09:28.53 | Supaplex | what's to expect out of a $3 card :) |
| 09:29.20 | Supaplex | they do work beter in some cases then older intel e100 cards (in my findings) |
| 09:29.34 | Supaplex | then/than some/ |
| 09:29.45 | stoned | I'm running Xgl inside Xorg on a different display. When I do this, my Xorg stuff screwes up. Back in Xorg I can't hold a key down and have it do stuff, repeat. I have to press the key over and over. Also, in the Xgl window, the alt+tab doesn't work (limited to Xgl only). Also some key combinations don't work that should work. |
| 09:29.52 | stoned | It is giving me shit |
| 09:29.59 | peterS | yeah some of those 82557s had firmware bugs that caused lockups if the driver tickled them _just_ the wrong way |
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| 09:30.18 | Supaplex | yea :-/ |
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| 09:30.41 | Supaplex | peterS: I'm very much NOT satisified by intel's RMA process on them. |
| 09:30.44 | enouf | stoned: seems you've crossed that "epiphany" plateau, and are on into bug world now :-P |
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| 09:31.28 | stoned | enouf: well, I can just use the Xgl and its no problem. But I can't get it to span both monitors. It shows up as dual head Xgl but starts only on monitor 2 and well, is fucked. |
| 09:31.59 | stoned | if I could force Xgl to start on monitor Primary |
| 09:32.00 | xingu | the ixgb's are pretty funky |
| 09:32.09 | stoned | er.. Primary monitor |
| 09:32.34 | xingu | we've been doing some poc testing with those for a customer at work |
| 09:32.35 | stoned | I could use my Xgl/Beryl cube as dual head cube. All would be fine. |
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| 09:33.16 | stoned | but it looks sweet |
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| 09:34.11 | stoned | Xgl has been fairly stable so far |
| 09:34.17 | stoned | hasn't crashed once in days |
| 09:34.27 | peterS | gungnir, csit: is one of you a bot? we aren't real happy about random bots in here |
| 09:34.46 | stoned | I am a bot peterS |
| 09:34.53 | stoned | I'm fairly random too ;) |
| 09:34.59 | peterS | no you're a stone daemon, those are allowed |
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| 09:35.05 | stoned | lol |
| 09:35.08 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:35.09 | peterS | / \ |
| 09:35.11 | stoned | haha |
| 09:35.39 | _fjh_ | Which gcc version, should I use to compile 2.6.20? I used MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg .... |
| 09:36.00 | _fjh_ | and got: include/asm/string.h:40: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 09:36.01 | xingu | stonbeat ha, he's keepin #debian alive |
| 09:36.05 | enouf | 4.1? |
| 09:36.18 | Supaplex | I thought make-kpkg had it's own settings to set those. |
| 09:36.24 | Supaplex | s/it's/its/ |
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| 09:36.28 | _fjh_ | That one 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) crasged too. |
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| 09:36.47 | _fjh_ | crashed |
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| 09:37.45 | _fjh_ | Supaplex, I do not understand? |
| 09:37.46 | peterS | _fjh_: ICE (internal compiler error) usually means bad hardware, typically flaky RAM. especially if you can't repeat the crash in exactly the same spot of the same source file |
| 09:38.16 | stoned | How could I lock down a few processes/threads to a particular CPU core? |
| 09:38.23 | stoned | is this possible? |
| 09:38.24 | peterS | stoned: prctl |
| 09:38.54 | xingu | hey, who put java6 into the repo and kept it quiet |
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| 09:39.08 | stoned | I can't find a man for it, and there is no package that contains that term in name/desc. anywhere |
| 09:39.32 | Supaplex | !say xingu: Sorry, it was my fault. |
| 09:39.33 | dpkg | xingu: Sorry, it was my fault. |
| 09:39.36 | peterS | stoned: yeah I forget what package it's in. possibly schedutils |
| 09:39.46 | stoned | peterS: which package.. oh. ok let me check |
| 09:39.53 | _fjh_ | peterS, I will try if I can repeat. I ran memcheck+ for 9 hours last weekend. No problems. Is 9hours ok? |
| 09:40.02 | peterS | I dunno |
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| 09:40.49 | jelly-home | _fjh_: memtest86+ is nice but sometimes doesn't find all errors |
| 09:41.09 | Supaplex | _fjh_: back in the day, I had to disable some acceleration options in the bios. cpu cache is a common one. |
| 09:41.22 | Supaplex | no idea if memtest checks that. |
| 09:41.24 | enouf | apt-cache show cpulimit stoned maybe |
| 09:41.41 | stoned | ok |
| 09:41.57 | stoned | prctl is a bit too complex for my simple mind. |
| 09:42.24 | Supaplex | !nice |
| 09:42.25 | dpkg | nice, or niceness is, how demanding or how nice a process is scheduled for. -20 is very agressive, and 19 is least agressive. Only root can drop a task below 0. See also taskset, prctl, and open mpi for cpu affinity |
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| 09:43.19 | stoned | my back hurts |
| 09:43.38 | stoned | Supaplex: I would like to renice a few processes to a particular core. |
| 09:43.39 | peterS | enouf: the description for cpulimit doesn't say anything about restricting it to run on specific CPUs |
| 09:43.46 | xingu | memtest generally won't find bus problems; if you have a ropey agp implementation, bus starvation can create the same swag of lovelies. |
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| 09:43.50 | stoned | er.. enouf * |
| 09:43.53 | enouf | peterS: I kow .. |
| 09:44.28 | enouf | know* .. looking further into whatever I can find .. |
| 09:44.34 | stoned | peterS: I read the whole man page.. can't quite make sense of it |
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| 09:44.51 | _fjh_ | Supaplex, memtest.org mentions cache at leat. |
| 09:45.07 | peterS | stoned: did you get the prctl(2) manpage? that's for the linux kernel system call. I could have sworn there's also a binary that _uses_ that syscall, _also_ called prctl, but I can't find it now |
| 09:45.17 | stoned | let me check |
| 09:45.31 | stoned | no entry for section 2 peter |
| 09:45.32 | stoned | peterS: |
| 09:45.39 | _fjh_ | xingu, jelly-home, do you have recommendations what to use instead? |
| 09:45.42 | jpin | peterS: do you know something about laptops hardware and bios.. something like dttd or dtdt (i forgot the name) |
| 09:45.43 | enouf | stoned: |
| 09:45.44 | xingu | schedutils; but I think you can do the same thing with procfs now |
| 09:45.44 | enouf | manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man2/arch_prctl.2.gz |
| 09:45.44 | enouf | manpages-dev: /usr/share/man/man2/prctl.2.gz |
| 09:45.47 | stoned | enouf: howdy |
| 09:45.52 | peterS | jpin: never heard of her |
| 09:45.56 | xingu | enouf: ^^ |
| 09:46.01 | jpin | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 09:46.22 | xingu | enouf: specifically taskset(1) |
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| 09:46.51 | stoned | peterS: I've got /usr/bin/chrt, ionice, taskset |
| 09:47.07 | Supaplex | _fjh_: does it always die in the same spot? |
| 09:47.12 | peterS | stoned: listen to uncle xingu |
| 09:47.17 | stoned | chrt is maybe what ... oh ok |
| 09:47.21 | stoned | hello uncle |
| 09:47.23 | jelly-home | _fjh_: well, running kernel builds with high -j in a loop and see if you get segfaults in different places |
| 09:47.33 | enouf | xingu: ah .. ok |
| 09:47.41 | stoned | xingu: I'm on the manpage of taskset already |
| 09:47.53 | xingu | priocntl(1) is that other rock solid userland shipping from a vendor who's roots like in stanford |
| 09:48.04 | _fjh_ | Supaplex: peterS asked the same, so I did clean and repeat but it is still running. Shouldn't have cleaned to test this! |
| 09:48.41 | peterS | _fjh_: memory-related gcc problems will be random - usually not the same source file twice. a genuine gcc bug will always hit in the same spot. |
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| 09:49.03 | _fjh_ | jelly-home: What is high-j? |
| 09:49.04 | stoned | CPU affinity is a scheduler property that "bonds" a process to a given set of CPUs on the system. |
| 09:49.16 | stoned | That is what I am looking for, I think. Right? |
| 09:49.24 | xingu | _fjh_: I hate to say it but the best bus, cpu, and memory banger there is is linux doing either a kernel, gcc, or x11 build. |
| 09:49.40 | xingu | _fjh_: there's nothing but nothing that gets transactions back to back like either of those three |
| 09:49.51 | peterS | stoned: yes |
| 09:50.35 | _fjh_ | peterS. Yes I understand. |
| 09:50.35 | Supaplex | _fjh_: you might want to monitor your system temps to. |
| 09:50.37 | Supaplex | xingu: I'd add wine and asterisk to the list :) |
| 09:50.39 | xingu | _fjh_: just out of interest is anything showing up in mcelog(1) ? |
| 09:51.00 | cbr | hi.. is there anything wrong with the Xorg in experimental? :) |
| 09:51.10 | Supaplex | !ifhta |
| 09:51.11 | cbr | because it can't find my nvidia module for some reason |
| 09:51.16 | enouf | man .. I love dlocate .. though I needed apt-file to find taskset |
| 09:51.19 | stoned | how does this tool see a Core 2 Duo? Is each core presented as a seperate CPU? |
| 09:51.23 | peterS | doesn't really matter what you build, so long as you run gcc enough times, if you have memory problems gcc will eventually notice them |
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| 09:51.37 | peterS | stoned: each core _is_ a separate CPU |
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| 09:51.55 | stoned | peterS: well yes.. but.. I mean that, oh bugger. |
| 09:51.55 | xingu | and even the cache is dual ported, aren't those cpu designer people clever |
| 09:52.02 | peterS | stoned: see 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' to verify this |
| 09:52.15 | stoned | cpu cores : 2 |
| 09:52.17 | xingu | peterS: to the point where the tsc's are incoherent in fact. :) |
| 09:52.27 | peterS | xingu: are they really? neat. |
| 09:52.37 | xingu | that's not the word I used |
| 09:52.38 | _fjh_ | xingu. I think I have a 32bit CPU. Will it help me neverthesless_? It says x86-64.... in its description- |
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| 09:53.06 | mcnaft | Hello |
| 09:53.14 | xingu | _fjh_: unsure; I haven't used mce capable hardware on 32bit userland. |
| 09:53.15 | mcnaft | I have 2.6.20 kernel, how do I get rid of devfs from the config? Now when I boot I get mount: unknown filesystem type 'devfs' and not possible to boot the kernel |
| 09:53.21 | jelly-home | _fjh_: make -j <number> option used to spawn parallel makes (thus putting a load on your other cpu cores/threads) |
| 09:53.33 | Supaplex | mcnaft: Welcome to #debian |
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| 09:53.45 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 09:53.49 | peterS | mcnaft: remove it from /etc/fstab |
| 09:53.51 | _fjh_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.03 | xingu | _fjh_: basic idea is getting a straw poll of environmentals like - ecc fixups, overtemp from i2c, oops'en in kern.log, etc. |
| 09:54.05 | perlmonkey | does anyone know where I can get some more fonts from, particularly dingbat fonts? |
| 09:54.25 | stoned | dingbat should be in msttcorefonts |
| 09:54.31 | stoned | no? I thought it is a MS font |
| 09:54.33 | perlmonkey | cool thanks stoned |
| 09:54.47 | stoned | sure |
| 09:54.53 | mcnaft | peterS: looked and it's not there |
| 09:55.02 | xingu | _fjh_: sometimes a quick giyf search for the motherboard product name or the system name is another way to discover known-known quirks |
| 09:55.18 | peterS | mcnaft: then I don't know what is warning you about devfs then, that's the only place that error should come from |
| 09:55.47 | xingu | _fjh_: but addressing the specific complaint there's nothing in 2.6.20 that would segv a debian gcc-4.1 build |
| 09:56.14 | stoned | perlmonkey: I dont think it is in there. |
| 09:56.19 | xingu | _fjh_: hence this is quite likely to be either a temp, memory, or bus starvation/ ringing fault |
| 09:56.22 | peterS | mcnaft: is this sarge (debian 3.1)? |
| 09:56.46 | mcnaft | it's etch |
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| 09:57.03 | stoned | what is the command line switch to force an application to start on a particular monitor. |
| 09:57.03 | peterS | mcnaft: I wonder how you got an etch system that still thinks it needs devfs. or for that matter an etch system that doesn't have udev |
| 09:57.03 | mcnaft | I think I found the cure: udev |
| 09:57.09 | _fjh_ | xingu, yes I think this is true. My kernel compile completed now without errors. So it has to be some strange stuff. |
| 09:57.14 | stoned | is there one? |
| 09:57.34 | peterS | stoned: in X? if you're not using xinerama, try -display :0.1 or -display :0.0 |
| 09:57.40 | xingu | _fjh_: what north/southbridge does the motherboard have? |
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| 09:57.48 | xingu | _fjh_: and is this a desktop or notebook system? |
| 09:57.49 | stoned | peterS: well yes, but that is for not monitor I think |
| 09:58.07 | stoned | peterS: DISPLAY=1.0 blah & |
| 09:58.20 | peterS | stoned: no I didn't say 1.0, I said :0.1 which is very different |
| 09:58.27 | stoned | er.. |
| 09:58.29 | stoned | thats what I mean |
| 09:58.44 | peterS | well if you can't type the same thing I typed, it doesn't matter "what I mean", it won't work |
| 09:58.54 | perlmonkey | wooohooo I have windose fonts |
| 09:58.57 | stoned | Xgl is on display 1 so I did 1.1 |
| 09:59.03 | peterS | also, if you're using Xinerama, it won't work |
| 09:59.08 | perlmonkey | no more going back to windose systems |
| 09:59.13 | stoned | i am not using xinerama |
| 09:59.20 | peterS | stoned: dude you aren't paying attention. it is not 1.1 but :1.1 |
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| 09:59.21 | _fjh_ | xingu, VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] Host Bridge, VT8235 PCI Bridge |
| 09:59.22 | stoned | peterS: it was a typo |
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| 09:59.43 | xingu | _fjh_: nvidia.ko display driver or something different? |
| 09:59.44 | perlmonkey | dude, i need to get some chicken inside me |
| 09:59.47 | stoned | argh, peterS that is what I did, DISPLAY=:1.1 blah & |
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| 09:59.56 | perlmonkey | ;-P |
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| 10:00.37 | peterS | stoned: I give up. you keep telling me the incorrect things you're typing then when I correct you you say "oh yeah that". I have zero confidence that you are _actually_ doing what you say you are doing. if you can't get it right on IRC you probably can't get it right in xterm either |
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| 10:01.02 | _fjh_ | xingu, only free kernel modules. untainted. ATI [Radeon 9200 PRO] and have compiz running, so there is more bus traffic than before. |
| 10:01.06 | stoned | I mean to start an application on the primary monitor. |
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| 10:01.37 | enouf | _fjh_: you shoulkd be using 586 or k7 at best |
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| 10:01.40 | stoned | peterS: ouch |
| 10:02.39 | stoned | peterS: if you want, I can paste the entire log of my xterm window into pastebin. I am not arguing with your or telling you incorrect things, it was an honest typo. |
| 10:02.46 | _fjh_ | enouf: ? |
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| 10:03.17 | peterS | stoned: anyway, if an application does not respect the screen number from the display spec, I don't know how to force it to do so |
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| 10:03.41 | _fjh_ | enouf, I have AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+? Is this not ok? |
| 10:03.46 | peterS | stoned: you can probably do it by configuring your window manager to recognise specific apps and put them in specific places. the window manager normally does have the power to do this |
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| 10:04.12 | stoned | peterS: does it matter if I am using this on Xgl inside Xorg? |
| 10:04.44 | peterS | stoned: I have no idea how xgl works. if it spreads itself across multiple monitors but doesn't expose multiple screens inside it, I guess there isn't much you can do |
| 10:05.14 | peterS | stoned: does 'xdpyinfo' talk about two screens? |
| 10:05.34 | enouf | _fjh_: the k6-2/3 series have a bug concerning i686 optimizations .. so you need to be sure that no 686 exists in config, only 386/486/586 .. |
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| 10:06.05 | peterS | stoned: if you're using xinerama, it will only report one wide screen (mine says 3200x1200), if you aren't using xinerama it will report two regular sized screens (each 1600x1200, for me) |
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| 10:06.08 | enouf | _fjh_: just use a Debian kernel already |
| 10:06.13 | xingu | _fjh_: I'm web trawling for that hw in the background, will let you know if anything turns up |
| 10:06.18 | enouf | and LOSE the underscores |
| 10:06.27 | Maliuta | enouf: why? |
| 10:06.28 | Guerin | wow, myspace just caused firefox to segfault |
| 10:06.30 | Guerin | nice |
| 10:06.35 | jelly-home | enouf: Athlon = K7 |
| 10:06.36 | stoned | peterS: xterm -display :0.0 works fine. :1.0 also works fine. If I try :0.1 or :1.1 it says that Xt error, cannot open display :0.1 or :1.1 |
| 10:06.38 | enouf | why not? |
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| 10:06.50 | Maliuta | enouf: give me good reasons not to roll my own kernel? |
| 10:06.51 | stoned | ahh |
| 10:06.52 | peterS | stoned: does 'xdpyinfo' talk about two screens? |
| 10:07.04 | enouf | Maliuta: that's not what I said |
| 10:07.06 | stoned | peterS: wait a minute, I am using fglrx *big desktop* |
| 10:07.17 | Maliuta | <enouf> _fjh_: just use a Debian kernel already |
| 10:07.20 | stoned | peterS: xinerama isn't in xorg.conf atm. hold on a sec |
| 10:07.28 | peterS | it's a pretty simple yes or no question |
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| 10:07.45 | enouf | Maliuta: why not? |
| 10:07.46 | perlmonkey | why doesnt linux display " correctly |
| 10:07.58 | peterS | perlmonkey: it displays " correctly for me |
| 10:07.59 | _fjh_ | enouf: was loose underscores for me? I am not quite familar with this chat stuff. |
| 10:08.02 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: ? |
| 10:08.18 | enouf | _fjh_: yes .. but nevermind for now .. it'sa PITA to tab compklete |
| 10:08.19 | Maliuta | because it has too much shite turned on |
| 10:08.47 | perlmonkey | well " always appear straight/vertical lines on Linux instead of like proper apstrophes with the rounded part |
| 10:08.48 | enouf | Maliuta: oh really? .. ok .. have a nice day |
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| 10:09.10 | peterS | perlmonkey: uh, so ... do you think it should appear as an open quote mark or as a closed quote mark? |
| 10:09.15 | peterS | perlmonkey: can't have both, you need to pick one |
| 10:09.21 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 10:09.23 | stoned | peterS: it says #of screen=1 |
| 10:09.32 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: choose some other font? |
| 10:09.46 | perlmonkey | jelly-home: they are all like it :-/ |
| 10:09.59 | peterS | stoned: then you're using xinerama. or, since you're using some non-free driver, maybe it's doing some sort of screen combining crap below the level of xinerama. the nvidia driver is notorious for this. |
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| 10:10.09 | stoned | peterS: ahh. and it shows 2560x1024 for the whole res. |
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| 10:10.46 | stoned | peterS: yes that is what I figured since you mentioned xinerama. fglrx's bigdesktop == same as nvidia's twinview, so I guess they use something in the likes of xinerama |
| 10:10.55 | perlmonkey | I need to use a dingbat |
| 10:11.03 | stoned | peterS: because I did not put xinerama extention in xorg.conf |
| 10:11.11 | stoned | phooey :( |
| 10:11.16 | peterS | perlmonkey: there are several characters that represent double quote marks. one is " and that is a single ASCII character (number 34) which means both open and closed quote. if a font were to draw it as an open quote it would look funny when you intend it as a closed quote. or vice versa. so fonts are designed to show it as vertical lines so it doesn't look funny on one side or the other |
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| 10:11.44 | stoned | peterS: I didn't mean to annoy you. |
| 10:11.48 | peterS | stoned: yeah, the X server has no awareness that you have two physical screens, the non-free driver is hiding that information completely |
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| 10:12.05 | xingu | _fjh_: ok so the first thing is - are you using a current bios rev? |
| 10:12.08 | peterS | I'm not sure _why_ nvidia and ati can't use xinerama like good citizens, but I'm sure they have their reasons |
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| 10:12.37 | xingu | peterS: there's no abstraction in it for dualscreen hw |
| 10:12.48 | peterS | stoned: so I think the only thing you're left with is: tell your window manager to recognise specific application windows and put them in specific locations when they start up |
| 10:12.59 | perlmonkey | peterS: ahh thanks i understand, should of realised |
| 10:13.02 | BrianSteffens | i am trying to install debian and it's stalled at 5% of "Select and install software" |
| 10:13.08 | xingu | peterS: xinerama is a sw framebuffer creating a union of two hw framebuffers; some hw is dualscreen capable - like nvidia. :) |
| 10:13.20 | stoned | peterS: YES! I could force kwin to start stuff on monitor 2 I suppose |
| 10:13.49 | xingu | peterS: it gets even more interesting with the quadro's - each gl context (ie window) has its own hw viewport on those. :) |
| 10:14.00 | stoned | xingu: hi |
| 10:14.07 | stoned | xingu: I have an X1900XT/X |
| 10:14.11 | peterS | xingu: yeah I know the nvidia driver is capable of presenting one huge framebuffer, what I don't get is why it's so lame it can't produce _two_ virtual framebuffers like matrox can |
| 10:14.11 | perlmonkey | does anyone know what the fonts "StandardSymbols" and "OpenSymbols" are for? they seem to be displaying as normal text on my system |
| 10:14.50 | peterS | perlmonkey: there actually do exist separate characters for open-quote and closed-quote, but most people don't use them. you're free to use them if you can figure out how to type them. |
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| 10:15.21 | xingu | peterS: because the bus interface is on the wrong side of the vram; the gpu sits betwixt and it is it, not the host that is arbitrating. |
| 10:15.25 | stoned | oh btw, peterS and xingu: twinview drops the refresh rate to like 50Hz. Twinview and this bigdeskop by ATI kinda suck. Pretty much do the same thing. I think I've mentioned this before. |
| 10:15.29 | BrianSteffens | i've installed debian probably 15 times, at least twice on this machine, and i don't understand why it's stalling. does anyone know what it's trying to do at select and install software 5%? |
| 10:15.46 | jelly-home | Smart word processing software should be able to convert plain quotes in "s..... " to open and closed respectively |
| 10:15.53 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 10:15.58 | enouf | jelly-home: yeah .. my bad .. was going by the chipset info the k600 .. which isn't the way to determine that |
| 10:15.59 | _fjh_ | xingu, I doubt. I have to check. I received to many attention points like bios revision, CPU temperatur, known bugs of certain revisison in the past few minutes that I feel not fully prepared for the tasks ahead. |
| 10:16.10 | _fjh_ | s/to/so/ |
| 10:16.19 | peterS | xingu: so the quadros actually do the same thing SGI Onyx behemoths are known for? a really big framebuffer, where physical outputs can be set to an arbitrary rectangle inside it? |
| 10:16.20 | stoned | I should try a 2 monitor config without any kind of xinerama crap |
| 10:16.21 | xingu | stoned: I only joined the wild wild west that is proprietry 3d accel less than 3mo ago; I just don't have the history to help with an ati issue and my reference is nvidia - so tought titties, you're on your own with google I'm afraid. :) |
| 10:16.39 | stoned | xingu: I like titties. |
| 10:16.48 | peterS | even tough ones? |
| 10:16.51 | stoned | sure |
| 10:16.55 | stoned | firm! :) |
| 10:17.44 | stoned | when you were < 1yr you screamed your ass off for a titty. Didn't care how tough it was, you got it. (The general you) |
| 10:17.46 | xingu | peterS: I guess that's probably up to hw implementation; I'm guessing that the state of the art in pc land is probably 4x physical ramdac's, and as many viewports overlaid into one display as you like |
| 10:17.49 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:18.02 | stoned | xingu: btw bro this is my FIRST ATI card ever |
| 10:18.32 | stoned | xingu: I only bought this because for 200$ it topped out any nvidia card I could get. Plus it has highest min.ave. fps for Oblivion |
| 10:18.37 | xingu | :) |
| 10:19.12 | stoned | AND it can do AA + AF + HDR simul. |
| 10:19.13 | peterS | xingu: still, it's a pretty lame GPU that can't let the application see a virtual framebuffer which happens to be a viewport on a larger framebuffer. I mean, these are supposed to be expensive cards. |
| 10:19.16 | stoned | nvidia cannot do this. |
| 10:19.34 | xingu | _fjh_: would start with the bios bump, and then get mobilised for all your hw/environmental monitoring |
| 10:19.37 | stoned | so this is hw related guys, or just that fglrx sucks balls? |
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| 10:20.20 | peterS | stoned: xingu indicates that ati's hardware design probably makes it difficult for the fglrx driver to support separate framebuffers for the separate displays. I guess you can blame whomever you want, either ATI's hardware or ATI's driver.. |
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| 10:20.50 | aszxc | hi |
| 10:20.51 | xingu | peterS: ... yes, but attached to a commodity bus; the story goes something like this - the gpu<->vram interconnect is running minimum 3x as fast as the peripheral bus the gpu connects to |
| 10:21.11 | aszxc | where can i find list of all patches, which are applied to the standard Debian Etch SMP kernel ? |
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| 10:21.36 | aszxc | i downloaded the package kernel-source-2.6.18 but it hasn't all patches |
| 10:21.37 | perlmonkey | peterS: I figured it out! it's Alt Gr + V or B |
| 10:21.41 | xingu | peterS: if you start trying to treat it like a dma window then eeevvveeerrryyyttthinnnggg sssslllooowwwsssss toooo aa crrraaawwwlll |
| 10:21.50 | peterS | xingu: so uh, a bitblt engine has to do the exact same calculation we're talking about here - why not expose a framebuffer based on a bitblt engine? |
| 10:22.16 | valdyn | aszxc: linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 has all the patches, smp doesnt get 'special' patches |
| 10:22.29 | xingu | peterS: in fact that's exactly what this ati "feature" on their new-ish chipsets is - hyperram or whatever tf they're marketing as |
| 10:22.43 | aszxc | valdyn _all_ patches from that package are applied to the standard kernel ? |
| 10:22.47 | valdyn | aszxc: kernel-patch-debian-* on sarge i guess |
| 10:22.52 | xingu | peterS: amounts to a tlb, mm fault handler, and dma capability |
| 10:22.57 | valdyn | aszxc: yea |
| 10:22.59 | cowbud | mad props to debian for having a boot.img.gz for hd media |
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| 10:23.12 | eisen | The nvidia twinview always worked perfectly here. even accelerated 2d/3d on the second screen. |
| 10:23.19 | xingu | peterS: but in graphics terms its still agonisingly slow |
| 10:23.23 | eisen | on an old gf4 |
| 10:23.26 | peterS | I'm just saying, those GPUs have to be able to do a very efficient bitblt anyway. why _not_ allow the driver to expose multiple fake framebuffers instead of one big one? it seems to me they've already got the hardware in place to do this |
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| 10:23.28 | stoned | cowbud: fucking bow! you're not worthy of debian! or are you :D |
| 10:23.36 | xingu | eisen: the complaint is that the vendor's dualporting results in suboptimal refresh rate on both screens |
| 10:23.44 | cowbud | stoned: hah |
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| 10:23.58 | eisen | I haven't experienced this |
| 10:23.59 | stoned | xingu: yes! my complaint when using twinview |
| 10:24.03 | stoned | it hurts me eyes |
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| 10:24.20 | xingu | stoned: I understand your complaint and I know how to fix it on nvidia - but no soup for you atiboy. :) |
| 10:24.26 | eisen | are the monitors different models? |
| 10:24.27 | peterS | I guess if twinview forces a low refresh rate, that would mean it's using a single RAMDAC for both outputs? |
| 10:24.29 | stoned | lol |
| 10:24.38 | aszxc | valdyn well, are you sure ? i can see xen, or vserver there.. |
| 10:24.39 | stoned | xingu: I have also an 7600GS |
| 10:25.22 | xingu | stoned: twinview, secondmonitorvertrefresh |
| 10:25.25 | eisen | I used it on two monitors with different refresh rates. You have to specify the monitor in xorg.conf if they are not recognized though |
| 10:25.30 | stoned | xingu: check this out bro, I overclocked the 7600GS from 400/800 to 575/1000. Stock cooling/voltage, and won't top 80C highest I saw it was 90C one time when the room was hot. |
| 10:25.40 | peterS | perhaps the solution is just to go DVI-D and remove the RAMDAC from the equation entirely? |
| 10:25.47 | stoned | xingu: I love nvidia man, I just wanted to see what the other side of the spectrum was like. You know, ATI |
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| 10:25.48 | xingu | stoned: *what* the ati equiv of that is though - nfi; can 'doze run two discrete refresh rates at the same res? |
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| 10:26.18 | stoned | xingu: oh yeah, that fine, but when it comes to linux and ATI, its like, it could make me go bald |
| 10:26.21 | stoned | you know what I'm saying |
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| 10:26.37 | stoned | xingu: I would say probably X1300? |
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| 10:26.46 | stoned | but I am not sure though |
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| 10:26.51 | xingu | stoned: ... ie going back to peterS' question/ assertion; if doze can do it then the hw can do it; so the next q for fgrlx people is - what's the functional mapping for secondmonitorvertrefresh |
| 10:27.58 | stoned | I should just use fglrx for DRI and modify xorg to use two monitors without ANY kind of xinerama bullshit |
| 10:28.09 | stoned | shouldn't take long |
| 10:28.37 | eisen | do you have monitor sections for both monitors in xorg.conf? |
| 10:28.44 | stoned | yes I have |
| 10:28.52 | eisen | hm |
| 10:28.53 | stoned | would you like to see my xorg.conf? |
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| 10:29.03 | xingu | stoned: here you go - "crt2vrefresh" |
| 10:29.15 | stoned | where did you dig that out from? |
| 10:29.24 | xingu | stoned: "mergedfb" ~= twinview |
| 10:29.29 | xingu | stoned: giyf. :) |
| 10:29.44 | peterS | I bet it's 'cause xingu isn't stoned |
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| 10:30.17 | eisen | I never used ati, it might very well suck on linux for all I know |
| 10:30.19 | _fjh_ | Hi this may sound now really stupid, but how do I upgrade bios? I have no windows/dos and removed floppy drive. The Mainboard manufacturer says 'DOS or winflash' |
| 10:30.31 | eisen | usb stick or cd boot |
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| 10:30.39 | petemc | _fjh_: you can get dos boot cds |
| 10:30.50 | xingu | _fjh_: www.bootdisk.com ? |
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| 10:30.55 | stoned | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5341 <-- xorg.conf |
| 10:30.56 | stoned | if you care |
| 10:31.06 | _fjh_ | thanks! |
| 10:31.09 | stoned | xingu: ahh but I'm on ATI atm hehe |
| 10:31.16 | stoned | xingu: my nvidia box isn't even hooked up |
| 10:31.26 | stoned | but I got this noted, thanks |
| 10:32.02 | stoned | xingu: btw, I do believe I was using secondmonitorvertrefresh option in devices section of xorg with nvidia driver |
| 10:32.07 | xingu | stoned: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showpost.php?p=1230646&postcount=9 |
| 10:32.14 | stoned | and the horizrefresh option as well |
| 10:32.35 | stoned | and still I was seeing bad refreshes in twinview.. I check it out hold on |
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| 10:33.08 | stoned | nice bookmark for me |
| 10:33.10 | stoned | thanks xingu |
| 10:33.23 | stoned | xingu: do you have dual head in your nvidia box? |
| 10:33.27 | xingu | yep |
| 10:33.31 | xingu | flat panel |
| 10:33.33 | xingu | and NTSC |
| 10:33.36 | xingu | yeah baby yeah |
| 10:33.39 | stoned | word man |
| 10:33.49 | stoned | I got two 19"'s, flat screens unfortunatly |
| 10:34.12 | xingu | feel that .35mm dot pitch love |
| 10:34.20 | peterS | my life is so much less complicated since I decided I didn't care about 3D acceleration. it means I don't have to spend real money on graphics cards, I don't have to use non-free drivers, I don't have to worry about twinview or bigdisplay or anything, just open source and xinerama (or not) and everything works |
| 10:34.25 | peterS | matrox g450 for the win |
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| 10:34.37 | perlmonkey | whats wrong with 19" flatscreens |
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| 10:34.58 | H2S04 | heh |
| 10:35.05 | stoned | peterS: you know, I'm slowly getting bored with all games and shit like this. I think the new systems I build with be with just cheap simple gfx cards |
| 10:35.14 | stoned | perlmonkey: I'd rather flatpanels than screens |
| 10:35.17 | peterS | perlmonkey: kinda hard to do 1600x1200 on a flat screen that maxes out at 1280x1024. CRTs generally don't have that problem |
| 10:35.25 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 10:35.28 | stoned | I mean these are still huge CTRs I have to lug around |
| 10:35.39 | stoned | plus I got 2880x1200 |
| 10:35.43 | peterS | stoned: I got my Matrox G450 on ebay for like $15. 1600x1200 on each of 2 screens, I couldn't be happier |
| 10:35.51 | xingu | peterS: I crumbled because I'd missed out on ~8y or so worth of GL toys, the old system went bang, and I wanted to play. :) |
| 10:35.52 | stoned | hell yeah man |
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| 10:36.43 | peterS | stoned: well I do have one problem, my secondary 20" monitor is not doing so good (it's quite old) so I mainly just use my primary 21" monitor |
| 10:36.45 | stoned | peterS: 1600x1200 |
| 10:36.49 | stoned | what is your fontsize/dpi? |
| 10:36.53 | stoned | are* |
| 10:37.07 | stoned | rich bastidge |
| 10:37.11 | H2S04 | heh |
| 10:37.16 | stoned | hehe |
| 10:37.22 | H2S04 | I was looking at a lcd monitor |
| 10:37.29 | H2S04 | I have a reliable CRT at the moment |
| 10:37.44 | stoned | peterS: at 1600x1200 I have to force a 128-132 -dpi to X |
| 10:37.44 | H2S04 | and I don't want to spend 400 on the LCD I want :-p |
| 10:37.44 | peterS | stoned: most of the time, to be honest, I just use text mode (matroxfb, since svgatextmode doesn't support the g450 yet), at 144x72 characters, with a 12x8 pixel text mode font |
| 10:37.54 | stoned | ahh |
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| 10:38.10 | peterS | stoned: when I do switch into graphics mode, gee, I forget what font size I tend to use, but I'm pretty sure it's vera sans mono or something |
| 10:38.13 | H2S04 | I just watched all the kings men |
| 10:38.15 | H2S04 | intense movie |
| 10:38.23 | stoned | cool |
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| 10:38.34 | stoned | btw I filed a bug for the wrong package hehe |
| 10:38.42 | peterS | H2S04: is it based on the novel by robert penn warren? |
| 10:38.51 | stoned | that kinda sucked lol |
| 10:39.16 | peterS | H2S04: about a governor named Willie Stark, modeled on real-life governor Huey Long of ... Mississippi or Alabama? |
| 10:39.38 | stoned | I was in miss. |
| 10:39.46 | stoned | its hot over there |
| 10:39.49 | peterS | the book is quite good, I have no idea what the movie does |
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| 10:41.27 | peterS | I can imagine some people would be annoyed with the book All the King's Men - since it was written quite a few years ago the guy uses the word 'nigger' a lot |
| 10:41.59 | peterS | you see it a couple times on the first page and you're thinking, oh my. |
| 10:42.01 | xingu | more often that chuck d? |
| 10:42.18 | stoned | peterS: not I. I'd read it |
| 10:42.22 | stoned | all the way. |
| 10:42.47 | xingu | s/that/than/ |
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| 10:42.57 | H2S04 | peterS, yes |
| 10:43.02 | peterS | well it's set in the deep South of the US, at a time when "Negro" was the correct term, so it's not like the guy was trying to be offensive, it's just how people talked |
| 10:43.19 | stoned | yup |
| 10:43.33 | stoned | words have power because we give them power. |
| 10:43.44 | xingu | fight the power |
| 10:43.59 | stoned | back then it wasn't a derogatory term really, it was just a name for the black man |
| 10:44.37 | peterS | the book looks a little bit daunting but the story moves pretty fast, well worth the read if you like the idea of a story about the rise and fall of a corrupt politician in an environment full of corrupt politics |
| 10:44.40 | stoned | fight the machine! |
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| 10:44.50 | pinks | !words |
| 10:44.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, words is "This is such a paradoxical time right now. It is the age of information and the age of misinformation. There was a time when people thought that something printed in a newspaper must be true. It's not like that online, but it almost is. ... but then you realize that it's just words, and that anybody can say anything at all." (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0112/ferrandino.shtml) |
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| 10:45.56 | stoned | koooooooooala bears. |
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| 10:46.28 | xingu | hah, that's all nice and cuddly and pink dpkg, but you see how far you get talking about soliciting underage sex on irc |
| 10:46.44 | xingu | some words are still a tad forbidden |
| 10:47.00 | aszxc | are patches from package linux-patch-debian already applied to the source from package linux-source ? |
| 10:47.23 | pinks | O:-) |
| 10:47.38 | peterS | aszxc: what does 'apt-cache show linux-patch-debian-2.6.18' say? |
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| 10:50.56 | aszxc | peterS i can't understand it well, cos it first says 'the patches used to produce the prepackaged linux-source-2.6.18 package' and then 'only against the kernel tarball linux-2.6_2.6.18.orig.tar.gz from the Debian archive' |
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| 10:51.37 | aszxc | so are they in the package linux-source-2.6.18 OR only in some strange tarball called linux-2.6_2.6.18.orig.tar.gz ? |
| 10:52.08 | peterS | aszxc: linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz is not the same as linux-2.6.18.tar.gz from ftp.kernel.org. that is what they mean. |
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| 10:53.23 | aszxc | but it's saying it's only applied to this tarball. whre can i get it ? if i do 'aptitu install linux-source-2.6.18' i get 'linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2' |
| 10:53.37 | aszxc | and not linux-2.6_2.6.18.orig.tar.gz |
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| 10:55.11 | Warsaw | is there a way to move only the 2nd,3rd,4th etc.. last created file in a directory to an other dir |
| 10:55.12 | Warsaw | making sure it wont move the last created one. only the old files |
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| 10:56.04 | xingu | Warsaw: yes; write a shellscript to do so |
| 10:56.19 | Warsaw | yes i would want that :) |
| 10:56.22 | stoned | tarball is a cool word |
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| 10:56.54 | stoned | its fun to say tarball. Tarball! Tarball? Tarball. word. |
| 10:57.05 | Warsaw | i just want to move the old files tho |
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| 10:57.09 | Warsaw | don't want to tar em |
| 10:57.22 | xingu | I'd imagine you'll need ls -lt, while; do; done, and a semaphore variable so that you know you're skipping the first iteration |
| 10:57.47 | xingu | I'd also imagine that now for you is a good time to be considering buying the bash book from oreilly&associates |
| 10:58.03 | xingu | and the unix one for good measure |
| 10:58.06 | Warsaw | /cry |
| 10:58.06 | peterS | Warsaw: I'm guessing you are reimplementing the 'logrotate' program? |
| 10:58.15 | Warsaw | i need to learn this stuff i know :( |
| 10:58.19 | aszxc | peterS so do i need to download 'linux-2.6_2.6.18.orig.tar.gz' or source from package 'linux-source-2.6.18' are patched too ? |
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| 10:58.49 | Warsaw | but sadly i suck in scripting. worst to program |
| 10:58.58 | peterS | aszxc: yes linux-source-2.6.18 is patched |
| 10:59.05 | aszxc | thnx |
| 10:59.11 | proog | is there some kind of "official" guide to upgrading sarge to etch? |
| 10:59.21 | xingu | heh, logrotate needs reimplementing |
| 11:00.11 | xingu | I tried to use it at work on a directory that accumulates 288 state files a day and needs a 90d retention policy |
| 11:00.14 | xingu | biiiiiiiig mistake. :) |
| 11:00.32 | Warsaw | would ya know how to do this xingu |
| 11:00.33 | hark | proog: yes, read the etch release notes. Also /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 11:00.40 | xingu | actually it's 288 * 15 |
| 11:00.48 | proog | hark: ok |
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| 11:02.29 | hark | proog: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 11:03.12 | proog | thanks |
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| 11:03.44 | xingu | Warsaw: yes, but it's more useful to you if you work it out |
| 11:03.49 | faiper | hi someone here use kernel 2.6.19 or .20 ? |
| 11:03.55 | xingu | yep |
| 11:04.12 | faiper | xingu you compile ? |
| 11:04.15 | Warsaw | i know i want to learn it too |
| 11:04.26 | xingu | yep |
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| 11:04.39 | shafire | when i want a dir named /srv |
| 11:04.45 | shafire | how do i do that? |
| 11:04.48 | shafire | mkdir /srv? |
| 11:04.55 | shafire | or i can't do it? |
| 11:05.02 | shafire | so i need to use /opt /etc /var |
| 11:05.02 | shafire | ?? |
| 11:05.30 | hark | try it ;) |
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| 11:06.45 | xingu | Warsaw: so the things you need to read up on are ls manpage, sorting options, -t and -rt; bash help pages, "while"; and a sysv-shell reference of some description, "test" function and shell variables |
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| 11:07.28 | shafire | hark: ok :) |
| 11:07.57 | xingu | Warsaw: oh, and bash help pages, "read" too. |
| 11:08.51 | Warsaw | /panic |
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| 11:13.04 | Warsaw | i understand some of it |
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| 11:14.06 | Eclipser | ok |
| 11:14.11 | Eclipser | this is rather unbelievable |
| 11:14.16 | shafire | where can i find i686 packages? |
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| 11:14.29 | Eclipser | where the hell did e100 module go from etch netinst image? |
| 11:16.29 | liable | Eclipser: i just read something about the e100 being broken in recent kernels, dunno if its related |
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| 11:16.44 | hark | shafire: apart from a few, there are none |
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| 11:16.49 | Eclipser | it has worked fine with 2.6.18 though.. |
| 11:16.58 | czr | any idea if there is a potato apt-repo somewhere still? |
| 11:17.08 | Eclipser | well I wonder what to install on the box now then.. |
| 11:17.17 | liable | !archives |
| 11:17.18 | dpkg | archive is probably a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 11:19.18 | Warsaw | xingu. yeah ls -rt for reverse list by time stamp what about while ? |
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| 11:20.32 | czr | liable, thanks :-) |
| 11:21.08 | shafire | from where can i get debian sid netinstall? |
| 11:21.28 | Eclipser | there isn't one |
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| 11:22.00 | xingu | Warsaw: your requirement ~appears to be an iterative one; you've said - all bar oldest file; so generate a time sorted list, oldest first - then skip the first list entry. |
| 11:22.11 | czr | it's funny how potato seems so much faster than anything more modern :-) |
| 11:22.45 | xingu | Warsaw: while/do is an iterator; read will return a variable from stdin or return false at eof |
| 11:23.32 | xingu | Warsaw: the remaining component is testing a semaphore that tells you to either skip the first entry (-ve) or move the file (+ve) |
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| 11:24.07 | xingu | Warsaw: obviously in the -ve case you also need to raise the semaphore to +ve. |
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| 11:24.56 | Warsaw | i just want to move all the files but the last one created to an other directory |
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| 11:25.23 | shafire | from where can i get debian sid netinstall? |
| 11:25.46 | enouf | shafire: get the etch daily and use expert mode |
| 11:25.57 | Warsaw | like mv /home/user/dir/* to /home/user/dir2/* |
| 11:26.18 | xingu | Warsaw: yes, and analysing each part of that spec in turn - time sorted list, iterate it, skip first entry. |
| 11:26.21 | Tallu | shafire: but if you had to ask if you can create a dir /srv then.. i'm not sure if you should. things tend to break a lot in sid. |
| 11:26.42 | hark | Eclipser: not sure if this is related.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=390994 |
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| 11:26.54 | Warsaw | yeah i know i would want to skip the 1st result |
| 11:27.19 | Warsaw | i will get a bash book i promise :) |
| 11:27.23 | shafire | Tallu: okay i will use testing only |
| 11:27.33 | xingu | Warsaw: and from algorithm to program - ls -rt, while/read/do/done, test/= operator/continue/else |
| 11:27.35 | Eclipser | hark, I'm starting to get sick of all that license crap |
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| 11:27.51 | hark | heh |
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| 11:28.12 | Eclipser | no really |
| 11:28.31 | shafire | how do i configure debian testing |
| 11:28.31 | Eclipser | oh wait |
| 11:28.34 | shafire | aptitude |
| 11:28.34 | Eclipser | WTFPL! |
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| 11:28.40 | shafire | that it won't remove my system? |
| 11:29.08 | hark | shafire: huh? |
| 11:29.24 | Christoph_vW | where should I add paths to the PATH var? |
| 11:29.29 | Christoph_vW | in profile? |
| 11:29.44 | Warsaw | xingu. show me how :) |
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| 11:30.29 | hark | Warsaw: read an online tutorial like the Advanced BASH scripting guide or something simpler like linuxcommand.org. It should be enough to get you started. |
| 11:30.54 | Warsaw | yeah i will start getting into it |
| 11:30.58 | xingu | Warsaw: no more soup for you either. :) |
| 11:31.03 | Warsaw | /cry |
| 11:31.15 | Tallu | shafire: good call. :) |
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| 11:31.37 | bigwig | hi |
| 11:31.42 | Warsaw | xingu. teach me how :P |
| 11:31.53 | xingu | I have - now go learn. :) |
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| 11:32.15 | peterS | At that moment, the student was enlightened. |
| 11:32.26 | xingu | heh, that firmware license thing is going to churn things up nicely |
| 11:32.40 | bigwig | i would like to ask how it is possible to mount a loop filesystem so the root of _that_ filesystem is writeable by an ordinary user |
| 11:33.26 | xingu | there's a serious problem there in that some of the hll tools used to produce those firmware images are proprietry languages and the dev kit itself is nonfree |
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| 11:33.39 | Warsaw | it's gonna take me so long to learn enough to do this.. |
| 11:33.51 | bigwig | i have this in my fstab: /var/local/.../....img /mnt/.../... ext2 loop,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 11:33.53 | xingu | and I'm pretty sure there's a gpl clause covering that |
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| 11:34.35 | bigwig | now when a user mounts the filesystem, root will be the owner of the mount point and it will have 644. how to solve this? |
| 11:35.08 | xingu | the ones that are really going to hurt is where the peripheral is part dsp and part fpga |
| 11:35.08 | bigwig | sorry 755 |
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| 11:35.47 | xingu | ie, most modern network hardware for starters :) |
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| 11:37.31 | Gr3yFox | hi all |
| 11:37.54 | Gr3yFox | i've a little problem with debian sid and gnome, anyone who can help me please? |
| 11:39.18 | shafire | i have a big problem |
| 11:39.26 | shafire | i have installed debian .. 2min. ago |
| 11:39.32 | shafire | i tip aptitude install vim |
| 11:39.37 | shafire | and it will remove my system!! |
| 11:39.38 | xingu | bigwig: chown; ext2 stores the permissions for the fs's root inode in the filesystem itself |
| 11:39.42 | shafire | over 50 packages!! |
| 11:39.55 | rogierwilco | shafire, ??????????? |
| 11:40.10 | xingu | bigwig: you're loopback mounting an ordinary file containing an ext2 image; chown the root after mount, it'll persist across mounts. |
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| 11:40.29 | shafire | rogierwilco: yes! |
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| 11:40.41 | Gr3yFox | i have to go now, see you later |
| 11:40.44 | Gr3yFox | bye |
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| 11:41.20 | frenchninja | shafire, I had that problem with a different program. I had chosen an out-of-date repository mirror with an old version of perl |
| 11:41.36 | frenchninja | you might try changing your /etc/apt/sources.list to use a different mirror, apt-get update and try again |
| 11:41.48 | frenchninja | oh and probably apt-get upgrade as well, after update |
| 11:43.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out with this? http://pastebin.ca/350320 |
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| 11:43.56 | bigwig | xingu: thank you very much!! |
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| 11:46.24 | robin_sz | is there a debian on a laptop HOWTO? this not hibernating is beginning to bug me greatly |
| 11:47.16 | xingu | robin_sz: it's a dark art; mine used to work and something broke it recently |
| 11:47.24 | xingu | robin_sz: what are your symptoms? |
| 11:48.18 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, anyone? |
| 11:48.20 | robin_sz | enter "laptop mode" ... |
| 11:48.45 | robin_sz | shut lid, screen goes dark, CPU load comes up, fans on .. battery goes flat |
| 11:48.51 | robin_sz | this is "sub-optimal" |
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| 11:49.05 | xingu | heh |
| 11:49.30 | xingu | robin_sz: console, or x11? |
| 11:49.37 | robin_sz | ummm .. x11 |
| 11:49.58 | robin_sz | not that it should make any difference, it needs to work either way |
| 11:50.13 | xingu | robin_sz: ok, the gnome calling chain is gnome->hal->hibernate->uswsusp |
| 11:50.32 | xingu | robin_sz: hal checks that the logged-in users is a member of powerdev group otherwise no-ops. |
| 11:50.56 | robin_sz | right .. |
| 11:51.05 | xingu | robin_sz: ie, the rmi gnome->hal call is read-write only to powerdev group. |
| 11:51.16 | robin_sz | errr |
| 11:51.32 | xingu | robin_sz: does the gnome hibernate now function work? or does that no-op too? |
| 11:51.44 | robin_sz | dunno, it has one? |
| 11:51.53 | xingu | yep - gnome power manager applet |
| 11:51.58 | robin_sz | ?? |
| 11:52.21 | xingu | aka "battery monitor" |
| 11:52.34 | robin_sz | right, I have a symbol for the battery life left |
| 11:52.43 | xingu | click it, should be a menu |
| 11:52.46 | xingu | pick "hibernate" |
| 11:53.20 | robin_sz | ahh, never clicked on any of that stuff before |
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| 11:53.51 | xingu | sometimes it helps to deskill and think like a preschooler. :) |
| 11:53.56 | robin_sz | rightm it dimms the display, and then ... the password box is back to log back to the session |
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| 11:54.51 | robin_sz | it briefly displayed a text console, but it was gone before I could read it |
| 11:54.51 | xingu | ok; so is hibernate package installed? |
| 11:54.58 | robin_sz | yes |
| 11:55.11 | xingu | aah; excellent; the text console will be hibernate->uswsup->suspend failure. |
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| 11:55.30 | xingu | have a look at /etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules |
| 11:55.36 | xingu | see if anything you use is in there |
| 11:55.39 | robin_sz | uh |
| 11:55.49 | biloti | hi folks. After upgrade my system to etch (in fact, I did a fresh install), it no longer switch the power off when halting, as it used to do. Any clue? |
| 11:56.22 | robin_sz | xingu, snd_maestro3 |
| 11:56.29 | xingu | hey presto. |
| 11:56.54 | bigwig | bye |
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| 11:57.33 | xingu | robin_sz: so your problem is that snd_maestro3 is (a) loaded (b) has a reference count more than likely (gnome mixer/volume control or esd or both or...) and (c) is a known-known wrt not supporting sleep states |
| 11:58.09 | xingu | robin_sz: so basically you're screwed; you could remove it from the blacklist and take that crap shoot but you're wearing the risk of oops, panic, or data corruption on resume |
| 11:58.17 | robin_sz | right |
| 11:58.41 | xingu | now |
| 11:58.48 | robin_sz | well thats a PITA :) |
| 11:58.58 | xingu | back to the high cpu symptom; I bet your acpi is as buggy as mine |
| 11:59.10 | xingu | there's a var/log file that shows acpid events |
| 11:59.19 | xingu | does your lid button autorepeat? |
| 11:59.47 | xingu | mine does; it's quite amusing in a dark wanting to smash the living crap out of whoever thought that was a clever thing to code kinda way. |
| 12:01.28 | slav0nic | anybody use http://scribes.sourceforge.net/ ? |
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| 12:01.42 | robin_sz | umm ... I suppose I'd have to ssh in and watch the log while the lid waqs closed |
| 12:01.49 | xingu | or afterward |
| 12:02.12 | xingu | just go lid closed briefly then look at /var/log/acpid |
| 12:02.15 | xingu | I assume acpid is running |
| 12:02.40 | raf256__ | after upgrade, the gay ass 90's style beeping have retunred |
| 12:02.47 | raf256__ | to the freaking Konsole! what in the fucks name |
| 12:02.54 | raf256__ | how to turn off beeping Konsole (kde) |
| 12:03.07 | robin_sz | apt-get remove kde? |
| 12:03.16 | raf256__ | how to remove the _beeping_ |
| 12:03.48 | raf256__ | I disabled it in configuration but that didnt help |
| 12:03.54 | xingu | xset b off? |
| 12:04.00 | rogierwilco | raf256__, remove the pc speaker |
| 12:04.01 | rogierwilco | ;) |
| 12:04.13 | raf256__ | rogierwilco: and how that would help? |
| 12:04.16 | raf256__ | ALSA beeping |
| 12:04.19 | robin_sz | use gnome? its liek kde but it doesnt have the 90s still "gay ass" beeping? |
| 12:04.32 | rogierwilco | aah.. ok, thought console |
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| 12:04.34 | rogierwilco | :P |
| 12:04.42 | raf256__ | no, Konsole |
| 12:04.58 | rogierwilco | nah, i ment, runlevel 3 |
| 12:05.02 | rogierwilco | :) |
| 12:05.09 | jpin | Hi, does cpu leve = 2 on cat /proc/cpuinfo means 2 cores? |
| 12:05.09 | robin_sz | raf256__, don't use Konsole, it makes an annoying beeping sound ;) |
| 12:05.19 | Christoph_vW | I need to add a directory to path - in which config file should I add it? profile? |
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| 12:05.28 | raf256__ | robin_sz: do you at all have any usefull comment |
| 12:05.30 | robin_sz | xingu, I dont see much logged of any interest in acpid |
| 12:05.34 | raf256__ | robin_sz: if not then how about stfu |
| 12:05.48 | robin_sz | raf256__, am I irritating you? |
| 12:06.08 | xingu | robin_sz: ok, so you have a problem differently; in that case as you say you need another console to work out what the load source is when the lid is closed |
| 12:06.11 | rogierwilco | raf256__, come on, loosen up |
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| 12:06.39 | heh_v_water | when people post to the BTS, I always see a system information portion at the bottom.. is there some app that gets this or are they just typing it up? |
| 12:06.41 | rogierwilco | a laugh one in a while is nice.. no harm intended, i'm sure of |
| 12:06.57 | robin_sz | rogierwilco, some people just can't take a joke ... |
| 12:07.17 | raf256__ | so how to turn off the stupid alsa bell in konsole? disabling it in configuration and restart of konsole didnt worked. is it a bug? |
| 12:07.19 | xingu | robin_sz: in general though you're quite right to feel a little pissy about it; power manglement and printing are now both victims of their own complexity; the calling chains are so long and the number of reimplementations at each gate in them is so immense that outcomes are not predictable and also difficult to map. |
| 12:08.14 | xingu | robin_sz: it could, in other words, all change again tomorrow; I had to relearn everything I knew to find the "powerdev group" atom - thats where I discovered the gnome->hal->hibernate handoff. |
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| 12:08.21 | robin_sz | rogierwilco, its just amusing the number of people who seem to install KDE (which in my opinion is a bloaty thing, reminiscent of the worst M$ excesses and not-what-I-wanted-it-to-do style defaults, and then moan about it being bloaty and not doing what they wanted it to do ... |
| 12:08.45 | etchjster | why are you bashing kde? |
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| 12:09.12 | robin_sz | etchjster, I wasn't .. its just an observation of behaviour |
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| 12:09.20 | xingu | robin_sz: if you want a fun afternoon, observe the number of ways in which hibernate itself can switch off a given system |
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| 12:09.24 | etchjster | your observation? |
| 12:09.27 | rogierwilco | robin_sz, yes, i know what you mean |
| 12:09.28 | rogierwilco | ;) |
| 12:10.00 | robin_sz | xingu, the sad thing is, that when I had Redhat version $ancient installed it used to hibernate perfectly |
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| 12:10.14 | xingu | robin_sz: in that case just remove the blacklist and take your chances. :) |
| 12:10.27 | robin_sz | you know, i might do that |
| 12:10.35 | liable | i think apm was fairly stable |
| 12:10.41 | robin_sz | xingu, here goes ... |
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| 12:10.58 | Christoph_vW | can someone answer my question please? |
| 12:11.09 | Christoph_vW | about the $PATH var |
| 12:11.14 | rogierwilco | raf256__, you could turn down the pc speaker volume in the mixer |
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| 12:11.32 | rogierwilco | (if you haven't tried that one) |
| 12:11.47 | _rd_ | hi....how can the usb devices be restarted? they have all died after i was attempting to run xsane in a chroot |
| 12:12.05 | _rd_ | lucky I still have a touchpad! |
| 12:12.07 | shafire | which package do i need |
| 12:12.10 | shafire | when i want make? |
| 12:12.17 | xingu | Christoph_vW: /etc/environment |
| 12:12.28 | liable | !b-e shafire |
| 12:12.29 | dpkg | shafire: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 12:12.34 | raf256__ | rogierwilco: what the fuck |
| 12:12.37 | rogierwilco | shafire, gcc |
| 12:12.48 | raf256__ | rogierwilco: I want the gay ass Konsole program to stop palying via ALSA soy stupid sounds |
| 12:12.59 | AciD | I would like to use a unionfs-like filesystem on Linux, which one is best in your opinion ? unionfs, aufs, FunionFS...? |
| 12:13.16 | liable | raf256__: it has sound options in the menu |
| 12:13.25 | xingu | Christoph_vW: have a look etc /etc/pam.d/security/pam_env.conf for details. |
| 12:13.26 | raf256__ | liable: which I disabled |
| 12:13.42 | rogierwilco | raf256__, the beeping is caused by a virtual PC speaker volume in general |
| 12:13.52 | raf256__ | rogierwilco: and in konsole it is not |
| 12:14.03 | rogierwilco | ok.. |
| 12:14.11 | raf256__ | rogierwilco: I do not want my computer to PLAY the sound. not to "play it quiet" |
| 12:14.20 | Christoph_vW | xingu: this file doesn |
| 12:14.23 | Christoph_vW | t exist |
| 12:14.29 | Christoph_vW | (in the pam dir) |
| 12:14.36 | xingu | Christoph_vW: sorry /etc/security/pam_env.conf |
| 12:14.39 | xingu | mea culpa |
| 12:16.23 | robin_sz | xingu, even having removed maestro fromt he blacklist, its still nto playing .. how can I debug hibernate? |
| 12:16.24 | xingu | robin_sz: try running it from the command line ie hibernate(1) |
| 12:16.26 | raf256__ | why they fuck up so meany things nowdays? O_o |
| 12:16.26 | dererk | !nfs4 |
| 12:16.26 | dpkg | somebody said nfs4 was http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/ |
| 12:16.36 | raf256__ | crushing krusader, openoffice, knode, kwallet |
| 12:16.43 | raf256__ | I reported all the bugs months ago and nothing |
| 12:16.45 | robin_sz | ahh, ok, found the -v 1 switch to show debug |
| 12:16.52 | raf256__ | no wait, krushader upstream DID fix it |
| 12:17.20 | raf256__ | debian no more aim to be bugfree stable distro? yes, some of thoes bugs are even in stable AFAIK |
| 12:17.23 | robin_sz | rogierwilco, see, my observation was accurate |
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| 12:18.01 | rogierwilco | hehe |
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| 12:18.19 | robin_sz | !paster |
| 12:18.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 12:18.36 | karmatronic | raf256__, what are you trying to do ? |
| 12:18.50 | karmatronic | raf256__, quit the pc speaker sound ? |
| 12:19.08 | Boter | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 12:19.08 | Boter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.12 | xingu | robin_sz: you've interested me enough in debugging why this notebook now suspends but does not resume rot you. :) |
| 12:19.17 | Boter | what if i dont want this to be upgraded? |
| 12:19.20 | xingu | robin_sz: I'll be in and out a bit while I debug this obviously |
| 12:19.26 | xand | !confuse raf256__ |
| 12:19.27 | dpkg | Yes, how are their ferret yesterday, raf256__? pants of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra crabpaste |
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| 12:19.30 | robin_sz | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5342 |
| 12:19.31 | Boter | actually i have 2.4.34.1-grsec |
| 12:19.33 | xand | :o |
| 12:19.35 | robin_sz | xingu, ^^ |
| 12:19.40 | Boter | so not have need for that image |
| 12:19.46 | Boter | any idea how to remove it from apt update? |
| 12:19.57 | Eulex | apt-get remove it? |
| 12:20.06 | Boter | Eulex it's not even installed :> |
| 12:20.07 | bzed | Boter: but you've isntalled an old version, so just let it upgrade the old version and deinstall it... or do it the other way round |
| 12:20.09 | Boter | i dont want to be installed |
| 12:20.19 | Boter | bzed |
| 12:20.19 | xingu | robin_sz: s2disk failed |
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| 12:20.30 | Boter | kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386 is older than my kernel 2.4.34.1-grsec |
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| 12:20.31 | Eulex | Boter, if it's going to be upgraded it _is_ already installed |
| 12:20.42 | Boter | so i dont want image to install |
| 12:20.44 | Boter | no :> |
| 12:20.51 | Boter | you're wrong |
| 12:20.58 | bzed | Boter: no, we're not |
| 12:21.29 | xingu | robin_sz: there's /var/log/hibernate.log |
| 12:21.33 | Eulex | Boter, in any case, I'd still have at least one 'backup' kernel installed in case the current one fails or get b0rked for whatever reason. |
| 12:21.56 | robin_sz | ahh, wait .. is /etc/suspend.conf important? |
| 12:22.07 | xingu | robin_sz: for s2disk, yes |
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| 12:22.14 | robin_sz | riiiight |
| 12:22.27 | robin_sz | so not having a /dev/snapshot might be a problem? |
| 12:22.28 | MatBoy | is someone using xfce 4.4 already in etch from an outside repo ? |
| 12:22.46 | xingu | robin_sz: a big one. |
| 12:22.52 | robin_sz | riiiiiiight |
| 12:22.55 | Christoph_vW | can't I just add an "export" to the environment file? |
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| 12:23.02 | Eulex | I've got the svn version of xfce from a few days after 4.4.0 was released installed here |
| 12:23.03 | bzed | Boter: it's not a problem to have several kernel images installed at the same time. debian will make sure that the one with the highest number is used at boot time |
| 12:23.05 | xingu | robin_sz: that sounds like your kernel is missing userspace suspend support |
| 12:23.08 | jpin | is there a quick way of knowing the linux distribution via a shell? (how to know if its debian, or suse, etc..) |
| 12:23.09 | jpin | ? |
| 12:23.19 | robin_sz | errr |
| 12:23.28 | Eulex | MatBoy, ^^^ |
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| 12:23.33 | robin_sz | it sounds liek I didnt allocate a partition for this when I formatted the drive |
| 12:23.44 | xingu | robin_sz: grep SOFTWARE_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:23.46 | MatBoy | Eulex, and, runs OK ? |
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| 12:24.07 | robin_sz | CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND=y |
| 12:24.09 | xingu | robin_sz: that's resume device; snapshot is the freeze device |
| 12:24.28 | xingu | robin_sz: ie, where the memory image comes from, not where it goes to. |
| 12:24.33 | robin_sz | snapshot device = /dev/snapshot |
| 12:24.33 | robin_sz | resume device = <path_to_resume_device_file> |
| 12:24.36 | xingu | robin_sz: traditionally it gets written to swap |
| 12:24.44 | robin_sz | oh, right |
| 12:25.02 | xingu | robin_sz: no /dev/snapshot needs debugging; are you using udev? |
| 12:25.14 | robin_sz | dunno, am I? |
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| 12:25.37 | Eulex | MatBoy, yes. very well. |
| 12:25.40 | threw | hi all ! |
| 12:25.42 | robin_sz | there is a /dev/snapshot anyway |
| 12:25.52 | MatBoy | Eulex, where have you downloaded it ? |
| 12:25.59 | MatBoy | Eulex, or how have you installed it ? |
| 12:26.20 | xingu | robin_sz: oh; well if it's there... back on the trail of debugging why the s2disk helper failed; start with hibernate.log; then it's um... looking... |
| 12:26.43 | Eulex | MatBoy, I checked it out from svn and installed it using my own script. but for 'normal' people... I'd recommend using the installer or compiling from tarballs |
| 12:27.06 | Warsaw | xingu. i got some commands but i need a little more help. i want to move or copy all files in a directory exept the last modified in that directory |
| 12:27.11 | MatBoy | Eulex, are there no sources atm where you can apt-get it from ? |
| 12:27.17 | Warsaw | basicly always keeping 1 file per directory |
| 12:27.21 | MatBoy | I mean trusted ones :) |
| 12:27.37 | Warsaw | could be nice if it could follow the same directory tree structure |
| 12:27.38 | robin_sz | suspend: Could not stat the resume device file |
| 12:27.39 | Eulex | MatBoy, yes, 4.4.0 is in experimental. it needs gtk 2.10 (from experimental too), though |
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| 12:27.52 | MatBoy | Eulex, ok, but it's doable ? |
| 12:27.53 | xingu | robin_sz: ... usr/share/hibernate/scriptlets.d/ususpend |
| 12:27.55 | robin_sz | xingu, so I need to point that resume thjing to a real fielname I guess |
| 12:27.56 | Eulex | MatBoy, yes. |
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| 12:28.08 | xingu | robin_sz: maybe; lemme read the scriptlet first ok? |
| 12:28.13 | MatBoy | Eulex, just add instable and only upgrade XFCE ? |
| 12:28.22 | Eulex | MatBoy, experimental, not unstable |
| 12:28.39 | MatBoy | Eulex, doe sthta have a name too ? |
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| 12:28.51 | Eulex | MatBoy, no. |
| 12:29.02 | _rd_ | all the usb devices have died in this box..mouse, usb-drives. printet....how can they be restarted? |
| 12:29.20 | Eulex | MatBoy, you'd add experimental sources (maybe unstable sources are needed too) and set Default-release to etch. |
| 12:29.28 | Eulex | MatBoy, then specifically upgrade xfce and gtk. |
| 12:29.42 | MatBoy | Eulex, ok, I hav to check that out :) |
| 12:30.01 | robin_sz | xingu: my suspend,conf http://channels.debian.net/paste/5343 |
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| 12:30.20 | xingu | robin_sz: actually that shouldn't matter; the file which does is /etc/uswsusp.conf |
| 12:30.39 | robin_sz | which I dont have |
| 12:30.59 | Eulex | !tell MatBoy about quick etch/sid mix |
| 12:31.00 | xingu | robin_sz: confmiss on uswsusp package then |
| 12:31.10 | xingu | robin_sz: and I think we're finally close to a root cause here |
| 12:31.16 | xingu | robin_sz: exhausted yet? :) |
| 12:31.35 | Eulex | MatBoy, do like that, but for experimental and testing. |
| 12:31.41 | robin_sz | uswsusp is already the newest version. |
| 12:31.59 | MatBoy | Eulex, Unstable you mean + Experimental ? |
| 12:32.19 | robin_sz | xingu, nah .. got further than I thought I would already |
| 12:32.24 | Eulex | MatBoy, hmm, what? |
| 12:32.37 | MatBoy | Eulex, I'm already on testing... etch ;) |
| 12:32.39 | Christoph_vW | can't get the environment stuff to work |
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| 12:32.48 | Christoph_vW | isn't there a usable sample somewhere? |
| 12:33.02 | Eulex | MatBoy, in any case, I just asked the debian-xfce team, and you'll need to add both unstable and experimental sources. |
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| 12:33.18 | Eulex | MatBoy, oh, I see what you mean now |
| 12:33.18 | Gr3yFox | hi |
| 12:33.39 | Gr3yFox | i have a problem with gnome, anyone can help me please? |
| 12:33.47 | karmatronic | !ask |
| 12:33.47 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:34.12 | MatBoy | Eulex, OK, add then and to a apt-get -t unstalbe install xfce |
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| 12:34.28 | robin_sz | xingu, so, if I was to set that conf to poitn to a real file, does it matter much where it is? |
| 12:34.29 | Gr3yFox | if I click the "change user" button, the system freeze |
| 12:34.31 | Eulex | MatBoy, -t experimental, as you're getting it from experimental |
| 12:34.43 | MatBoy | Eulex, OK ! |
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| 12:34.49 | MatBoy | I hope it goes well |
| 12:34.50 | xingu | robin_sz: set it to your swap device |
| 12:34.59 | robin_sz | umm |
| 12:35.40 | robin_sz | /dev/hda5 it seems |
| 12:35.49 | Christoph_vW | I added: PATH=$PATH:/mypath to environment now |
| 12:35.53 | Christoph_vW | this doesn't seem to work |
| 12:36.10 | Gr3yFox | i have to manually reboot the system, even CTRL+ALT+BS or CTRL+ALT+F1 doesn't works |
| 12:36.25 | Gr3yFox | any ideas to fix it? |
| 12:36.26 | xingu | robin_sz: I'm going to do some debugging locally which means I'll lose irc - good luck, no point talking to me until I'm back. |
| 12:37.01 | xingu | robin_sz: the next layer down is to obviously just invoke s2disk itself so that you can see what it's saying. |
| 12:37.08 | robin_sz | k |
| 12:37.16 | xingu | robin_sz: and then.. you get to debug resume! :) |
| 12:37.33 | karmatronic | Gr3yFox, running etch ? |
| 12:37.38 | Gr3yFox | sid |
| 12:38.38 | Eulex | MatBoy, going well? |
| 12:40.22 | MatBoy | Eulex, not upgrading yet :) |
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| 12:40.22 | MatBoy | Eulex, it's my everyday workstation :) |
| 12:40.23 | Eulex | MatBoy, ok :) |
| 12:40.23 | karmatronic | Gr3yFox, seems like http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg298395.html |
| 12:40.23 | BrianSteffens | does anyone know where i can get specific information on what the debian etch installer is doing? it is sticking at 5% of 'Select and install software' and i've spent 6 hours now trying to figure it out. |
| 12:40.24 | MatBoy | Eulex, I have a 4 monitor setup, so with Beryl it should be kewl :P |
| 12:40.24 | xand | BrianSteffens: press alt-F2/F3 -- does it give you another console with details? |
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| 12:40.57 | dsfsda | debain linux suckx |
| 12:41.00 | robin_sz | well, s2ram works :) |
| 12:41.12 | BrianSteffens | xand: it gave me a console ~ # but no details |
| 12:41.29 | bzed | dsfsda: that's why we use debian. debain sucks indeed. |
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| 12:41.42 | thomas__ | john is not in etch ? |
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| 12:42.42 | Eulex | MatBoy, one thing you could try to check if you set it up correctly; run apt-cache policy xfce4 and check so it's not set up so 4.4.0 is the candidate |
| 12:42.52 | Eulex | dsfsda, have you got a debian question? |
| 12:43.11 | xand | BrianSteffens: try another Fx key |
| 12:43.17 | Eulex | Thms, it appears so |
| 12:43.28 | Eulex | !why is john not in testing |
| 12:43.28 | bzed | Thms: seems the maintainer didn't take care of it and so it was dropped |
| 12:43.28 | dpkg | john is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=john |
| 12:43.37 | Gr3yFox | karmatronic: i'm reading it |
| 12:43.46 | robin_sz | yep, s2ram seems purrfect |
| 12:43.56 | karmatronic | Gr3yFox, well they re not telling a lot at the moment |
| 12:44.03 | Thms | okay :s |
| 12:44.05 | Gr3yFox | yeah I see :( |
| 12:44.14 | threw | i have a little question please: http://pastebin.ca/raw/350399 ? thanks :) |
| 12:44.28 | BrianSteffens | xand: i see gnupg liblockfile1 libldap2 Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? |
| 12:44.52 | bzed | threw: in which scripting/programming language? |
| 12:45.09 | plastikmann | i am trying to download some debian videos from http://lca2007.linux.org.au/Programme but they are down.has anyone else tryied to download some? |
| 12:45.10 | threw | bzed, under console |
| 12:45.26 | threw | bzed, e.g. in bash |
| 12:45.40 | dsfsda | debian |
| 12:45.41 | dsfsda | linux |
| 12:45.42 | dsfsda | sux |
| 12:45.47 | bzed | threw: gimme a sec, I'll write you a line or 2 |
| 12:45.54 | threw | bzed, thanks a lot |
| 12:45.55 | karmatronic | Gr3yFox, you re using gdm too i guess |
| 12:45.59 | xand | dsfsda: that's nice. |
| 12:46.00 | Gr3yFox | yes |
| 12:46.07 | dsfsda | well |
| 12:46.08 | dsfsda | don't u |
| 12:46.09 | dsfsda | se |
| 12:46.10 | dsfsda | it |
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| 12:46.14 | xand | :D |
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| 12:46.18 | threw | XD |
| 12:46.19 | Gr3yFox | i would like to remove that button, any way to do it without changing the source code? :D |
| 12:46.22 | BrianSteffens | ^^ |
| 12:47.07 | threw | Gr3yFox, dont make like gnome's programmer ! :) |
| 12:47.17 | bzed | threw: http://pastebin.ca/350419 |
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| 12:47.34 | Gr3yFox | :D |
| 12:48.09 | Eulex | Gr3yFox, I guess you could ask in a gnome channel to potentially get more help |
| 12:48.13 | Gr3yFox | my family uses that computer, it's because of that |
| 12:48.34 | Gr3yFox | i thing so too eulex |
| 12:48.55 | threw | bzed, thanks a lot :D |
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| 12:49.14 | bzed | np |
| 12:49.26 | Eulex | Gr3yFox, there's #gnome here on freenode, then there's supposed to be some bigger channel on some other network |
| 12:49.57 | bzed | threw: didn't test it, though ;) but I think it's correct |
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| 12:50.43 | shafire | when will be python 2.5 standard in debian? |
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| 12:51.12 | Gr3yFox | eulex: i'll try asking here on freenode at the moment, thanx |
| 12:51.18 | shafire | when will be python 2.5 default in debian? |
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| 12:51.51 | Christoph_vW | can anybody tell me now how to get this PATH crap working - otherwise I am forced to reinstall Windows 2003 server |
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| 12:51.55 | Christoph_vW | I need a working system |
| 12:52.20 | heh_v_water | shafire, I heard when you ask a question 3 times and click your heals together.. you still get no answer.. apparently nobody here knows |
| 12:52.26 | threw | bzed, heuh... i get this error: syntax error in expression (error token is ".307499-.0795990") do you know how to solve it please ? |
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| 12:54.45 | Gr3yFox | hi all, thank's |
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| 12:54.54 | bzed | threw: you're using bash? |
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| 12:56.01 | threw | bzed, yes i am: i have added #!/bin/sh to the beginning of the script |
| 12:56.56 | bzed | threw: that will emulate a sh. use #!/bin/bash |
| 12:57.06 | bzed | http://pastebin.ca/350432 << threw - see, it works |
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| 12:58.46 | xingu | robin_sz: back. |
| 12:58.53 | robin_sz | dood |
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| 12:59.27 | slav0nic | on experimental gtk == 2.8?? or 2.10 |
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| 13:00.05 | xingu | robin_sz: there's something still a bit crazy here I'm not to the bottom of yet; either - I've had to confmiss hibernate - or - there's something that can trash the s2disk signature on the swap file after freeze such that the initrd won't touch it with a bargepole |
| 13:00.24 | threw | bzed, it doesnt work at my home ! " cat me|while read i j; do echo $((${i} - 2)) ${j}; done >tata" answer me "bash: -0.307499 - 2: syntax error in expression (error token is ".307499 - 2")" ?! |
| 13:00.40 | robin_sz | dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp seems to be involved for me |
| 13:00.49 | robin_sz | xingu, dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp seems to be involved for me |
| 13:01.06 | xingu | robin_sz: possible; all that really does tho is generate uswsusp.conf |
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| 13:01.36 | tralala | threw, bash doesn't have float arithmetics |
| 13:01.39 | xingu | robin_sz: aaanyway; lets see if this thing forgets how to suspend again, after it's actually had to swap something. |
| 13:01.40 | CharminTheMoose | can anyone here reccommend a quake 1 engine for linux? |
| 13:01.48 | xingu | robin_sz: I take it yours is working now too? |
| 13:02.15 | threw | tralala, arf :'( so does it exist any othe way to do what i want please ? |
| 13:02.33 | robin_sz | xingu, no ... :) |
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| 13:02.45 | xingu | robin_sz: where you up to then? |
| 13:02.49 | robin_sz | but its now doing a mkinitrd ... |
| 13:02.56 | xingu | yes, that's necessary |
| 13:03.00 | ben23 | anyone know anygood irc bots |
| 13:03.23 | ben23 | that are easy to configure on debian |
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| 13:03.30 | xingu | robin_sz: your initrd must be regenerated after uswsusp is installed; it throws in an initramfs hook to put the scripts and resume binary on |
| 13:03.32 | bzed | threw: you dodn't write about floats in your initial pastebin :P |
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| 13:03.54 | tralala | threw, what is it that you want to do? |
| 13:03.56 | bzed | threw: do you ahve 'bc' installed? |
| 13:03.59 | threw | bzed, yes, im sorry :( |
| 13:04.05 | threw | bzed, yes i have |
| 13:04.11 | threw | dc too |
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| 13:04.59 | BrianSteffens | ok. in debian etch installer.. i get to the package selection, i select Standard System only.. it goes back to the progress bar (5%) and stalls indefinitely. pressing Alt+F4 i see a line with 'in-target: gnupg liblockfile1 libldap2'. the next line is 'in-target:' and the last line is 'in-target: do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? to continue, enter 'yes'; to abort, enter 'no' |
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| 13:05.10 | BrianSteffens | what is wrong and how can i "enter yes" |
| 13:06.04 | bzed | threw: http://pastebin.ca/350437 << try it this way then |
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| 13:06.47 | robin_sz | xingu, OK! ... |
| 13:07.05 | robin_sz | xingu, doing a reconfigure, and a grub-install alomst worked |
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| 13:07.13 | hark | BrianSteffens: seems to be a common problem. I'd suggest just installing the base and then manually running say tasksel later |
| 13:07.13 | bzed | threw: if you need something _fast_ you want to stick with python or so... |
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| 13:07.27 | resiak | I believe I have written my /etc/apt/preferences correctly, but sid seems to be preferred to etch. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5345 has the details. What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:07.28 | robin_sz | xingu, removing suspend.conf and lettign it write a fresh one .. DID work though ... |
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| 13:07.42 | hark | BrianSteffens: it used to be with the RC1, but someone today had the same problem with a daily image |
| 13:07.44 | robin_sz | no .. wait .. |
| 13:07.45 | manu_ | exit |
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| 13:08.32 | robin_sz | xingu, removing suspend.conf and doing a reconfigure DIDNT write a new suspend.conf BUT it DID allow uswsup to sort itself out !! |
| 13:08.51 | hark | BrianSteffens: it's the 'not so famous' 5% problem ;) |
| 13:09.19 | BrianSteffens | hark: ok i'll give that a try. also, can i use XFS for all my partitions? i noticed some warnings in the install logs about that being unsafe for grub |
| 13:09.25 | threw | bzed, its processing... my list is reaally long :) |
| 13:09.40 | xingu | robin_sz: weird; that almost sounds like a side-effect of running something twice rather than a canonical failure moe |
| 13:09.49 | robin_sz | xingu, I now have a uswsusp.conf file in etc, and it works :) |
| 13:09.53 | xingu | robin_sz: but whatever; I certainly have both conf files and a working suspend/resume. |
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| 13:10.12 | bzed | threw: well, just test it. it it's too slow for you.... you should go and use python, perl or something like that |
| 13:10.14 | robin_sz | me too </aol> |
| 13:10.18 | xingu | robin_sz: hoorah anyway, time to party like it's windows '95 |
| 13:10.18 | bzed | *if it's |
| 13:10.25 | robin_sz | ummm ... |
| 13:10.34 | threw | bzed, arf i have a lot of free time :) |
| 13:10.37 | hark | BrianSteffens: shouldn't be a problem, but people have had problems, hence the warning |
| 13:10.49 | BrianSteffens | hark: ok thank you |
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| 13:12.37 | threw | bzed, its works ! thanks a lot ! |
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| 13:12.48 | bzed | threw: no problem at all |
| 13:13.27 | caahoy | 还有一个问题è¦éº»çƒ¦ä½ 一下，我的机器以å‰è£…过gentoo,现在是debian,å¯åŠ¨çš„时候è¦èŠ±å±ï¼ˆå°±è±¡é»‘白æ¡æ ¼åå¸ƒä¸€æ ·ï¼‰ä¸€ä¼šå„¿æ‰è¿›å…¥æ¡Œé¢ï¼Œè¿›å…¥æ¡Œé¢ä¸€ 切æ£å¸¸ã€‚是ä¸æ˜¯é…置的问题？我的电脑是thinkpad r50e é…置：C m1.5g/IDE:30g/512DDR/dvd cdrom/14 lcd/intell 855芯片组，集æˆå£°å¡ã€æ˜¾å¡/usbå…‰ç”µé¼ /，如果是é…ç½®æ–‡ä»¶é—®é¢˜åº”æ€Žæ ·å†™ï¼Ÿ |
| 13:13.34 | xand | caahoy: no |
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| 13:13.44 | caahoy | 我的机器以å‰è£…过gentoo,现在是debian,å¯åŠ¨çš„时候è¦èŠ±å±ï¼ˆå°±è±¡é»‘白æ¡æ ¼åå¸ƒä¸€æ ·ï¼‰ä¸€ä¼šå„¿æ‰è¿›å…¥æ¡Œé¢ï¼Œè¿›å…¥æ¡Œé¢ä¸€ 切æ£å¸¸ã€‚是ä¸æ˜¯é…置的问题？我的电脑是thinkpad r50e é…置：C m1.5g/IDE:30g/512DDR/dvd cdrom/14 lcd/intell 855芯片组，集æˆå£°å¡ã€æ˜¾å¡/usbå…‰ç”µé¼ /，如果是é…ç½®æ–‡ä»¶é—®é¢˜åº”æ€Žæ ·å†™ï¼Ÿ |
| 13:13.48 | xand | stop that |
| 13:14.01 | caahoy | ok |
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| 13:14.52 | bzed | at least now I know that I've configured xchat correctly |
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| 13:16.10 | xingu | l10n has come a long way |
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| 13:17.19 | BrianSteffens | hark: well i used ext3 for all partitions just to be safe.. but grub/lilo both fail their installs |
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| 13:18.00 | BrianSteffens | hark: i don't understand, i've installed debian at least 20 times with this disc, this is the third time on this exact machine |
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| 13:19.14 | resiak | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5345 -- what is wrong with my preferences! |
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| 13:21.00 | J-B[away] | Hi, use anyone testing with mbmon? |
| 13:21.13 | xand | !anyone |
| 13:21.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 13:21.30 | J-B[away] | lol |
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| 13:22.03 | J-B[away] | mbmon -A -> This program needs "setuid root"!! <- That is my problem :) |
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| 13:23.33 | abrotman | that it needs it or that you can't give it ? |
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| 13:24.00 | J-B[away] | i am root |
| 13:24.45 | hark | BrianSteffens: hmm, weird. It failed installing it? |
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| 13:25.25 | moo_ | Hi+ |
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| 13:26.04 | BrianSteffens | hark: yes, both grub and lilo failed. i tried continuing anyway and am now using a separate grub loader but it is failing to install as well. my hardware configuration has not changed since my last install, except that in frustration at having trouble, i did a low level format on the hard disk in questiuon. |
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| 13:29.21 | Thms | any idea for a new nick for me ? please :p |
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| 13:30.17 | J-B[away] | abrotman: it seems to be a problem with grsecurity, not debian issue |
| 13:30.19 | Eulex | !nickometer Thms |
| 13:30.21 | dpkg | 'Thms' is 0.000% lame, eulex |
| 13:30.24 | bzed | Thms: use pwgen and grep a random one |
| 13:30.33 | Eulex | Thms, nah, this one is enough |
| 13:30.43 | ofer0 | !nickometer ofer |
| 13:30.45 | dpkg | 'ofer' is 0.000% lame, ofer0 |
| 13:30.48 | ofer0 | !nickometer ofer0 |
| 13:30.49 | dpkg | 'ofer0' is 97.280% lame, ofer0 |
| 13:30.53 | zOap | where do I add default gw permanently and permanently ip address? I run a server without a gui.. |
| 13:30.53 | dvs | heh |
| 13:30.53 | Thms | please helppp |
| 13:30.54 | ofer0 | what the heck ? |
| 13:31.02 | bzed | !nickometer bzed |
| 13:31.03 | dpkg | 'bzed' is 0.000% lame, bzed |
| 13:31.10 | xand | stop that now |
| 13:31.11 | abrotman | !tell zOap about interfaces |
| 13:31.35 | xand | damn |
| 13:31.37 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.39 | dvs | yay! |
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| 13:40.19 | Christoph_vW | any idea why I can not mount the raid volumes in fstab? |
| 13:40.35 | Christoph_vW | when I mount them after login - it works |
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| 13:44.57 | Zaggynl | Hi, I have gdm and fluxbox installed, which is nice and fast, but I can't get startup items to work |
| 13:45.23 | Zaggynl | I've edited ~/.fluxbox/startup and added 'iceweasel &' before exec fluxbox, but it doesn't start at all |
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| 13:46.19 | pzn | Hi, I upgraded from sarge/xfree to etch/xorg a few minutes ago. the keys ctrl+alt+f1 stopped working (change to console). how to enable them again? |
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| 13:53.35 | funkmaster | hi there i was looking for a debian package stable php-mysql is there anything like that? |
| 13:54.20 | HymnToLife | funkmaster, search in http://packages.debian.org |
| 13:54.25 | asg | funkmaster: apt-cache search php mysql |
| 13:55.08 | funkmaster | already looked on the page |
| 13:55.13 | funkmaster | couldn't find it |
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| 13:55.36 | phogg | funkmaster: You're not looking very hard. |
| 13:55.49 | funkmaster | asg: that did the trick, thx |
| 13:56.16 | funkmaster | phogg: i tried php-mysql and didn't reutn anything and "php mysql" just gave me errors |
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| 13:56.39 | HymnToLife | funkmaster, it's php4-mysql |
| 13:56.50 | HymnToLife | or php3-mysql depending on your PHP version |
| 13:57.06 | funkmaster | HymnToLife, got it already, but thx again to u 2 :D |
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| 14:13.45 | earthian | hello, why I cant see keyboard layout picture in gnome keyboard indicator in my debian ??? |
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| 14:13.51 | earthian | debian / etch *** |
| 14:13.53 | DevilChaos | hi folks |
| 14:14.31 | bellemerlord | Please Help: I've installed Etch yesterday and added some paritions to fstab. The partitions are mounted on boot, but they don't appear in the places-menu or on the desktop under Gnome. What can i do to add the partitions? |
| 14:16.37 | DevilChaos | i have now got my integrated bluetooth adapter working but kdeobex push client doesnt pick up the device all kbluetoothd picks it up so i cant understand what i need to change or remove to make it work any ideas? |
| 14:17.12 | DevilChaos | bellemerlord: do a paste dump of your fstab please at pastebin.com |
| 14:17.50 | DevilChaos | and print the url and number you are given |
| 14:18.04 | earthian | bellemerlord, link your mountpoints (the directories you pratitioned) to your desktop like this: ln -ds /mountpoint /home/username/Desktop/diskname |
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| 14:18.41 | earthian | ups.. a mistake: should be: ...(the directories you mounted your partitions in)... |
| 14:18.59 | earthian | these should be mentioned in your fstab..] |
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| 14:19.13 | DevilChaos | earthian: should see what he has in his fstab first thats likely the case |
| 14:19.19 | DevilChaos | we should |
| 14:19.23 | DevilChaos | damn typos |
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| 14:20.35 | earthian | DevilChaos, I think his fstab is ok as he probably did them from somewhere the internet... problem is that the partitions could be mounted somewhere under root or better under /mnt or /media but not on his desktop.. i belive that is the case as the partitions ARE mounted on bootime |
| 14:20.49 | earthian | and in advance: sorry for possible typos :D |
| 14:21.46 | bellemerlord | earthian: i just came from ubuntu, there this works automaticly, why not in debian? Pastbin is extremely slow, just wait a moment |
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| 14:22.39 | MarcoPau | hello, how do I stop firefox keeping the audio device busy? |
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| 14:22.42 | DevilChaos | earthian: i agree |
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| 14:22.55 | abrotman | MarcoPau: close it |
| 14:23.01 | earthian | :o |
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| 14:23.22 | MarcoPau | abrotman: well, it's not really what I wanted to do, having some pages that I want to keep open... |
| 14:23.23 | DevilChaos | ubunto is ubunto debian is better |
| 14:23.29 | earthian | MarcoPau, why should firefox use your audiodevice open anyway? using a flash? |
| 14:23.38 | abrotman | MarcoPau: is it flash going ? |
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| 14:23.43 | DevilChaos | more technical yes but far superior |
| 14:23.52 | etchjster | how do you edit etc/fstab with out being root? |
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| 14:24.02 | MarcoPau | abrotman: it seems like it's keeping.... exactly, after having used flash, the audio device will be kept open even thou the flash video has been shut |
| 14:24.05 | DevilChaos | you cant |
| 14:24.07 | bintut | seems cron daemon is not running and cannot make it run manually on my debian etch box.. anyone experienced the same problem? |
| 14:24.13 | earthian | etchjster, sudo edit /etc/fstab |
| 14:24.24 | DevilChaos | edit /etc/fstab without being root to my knowledge |
| 14:24.38 | abrotman | MarcoPau: try aoss |
| 14:24.46 | MarcoPau | I get these three lines from lsof /dev/snd/* firefox-b 4379 marcopau mem CHR 116,6 10769 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 14:24.46 | MarcoPau | firefox-b 4379 marcopau 86r CHR 116,2 10417 /dev/snd/timer |
| 14:24.46 | MarcoPau | firefox-b 4379 marcopau 87u CHR 116,6 10769 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 14:24.48 | DevilChaos | bintut: install anacron |
| 14:25.01 | bintut | ok |
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| 14:25.24 | bintut | DevilChaos: you mean, the cron package that is bundled by the default debian etch system doesn't work at all? |
| 14:25.30 | earthian | bintut, cron works perfectly in my box.. |
| 14:25.31 | DevilChaos | also see if /etc/init.d/cron restart works?! |
| 14:25.47 | DevilChaos | no it should work |
| 14:25.50 | narasim_7_ | hi..i installed debian etch today ... using synaptic i installed kde...in konqueror the fonts in web pages are not antialiased |
| 14:25.56 | bintut | # /etc/init.d/cron start |
| 14:25.57 | bintut | Starting periodic command scheduler: crond failed! |
| 14:26.03 | DevilChaos | restart |
| 14:26.20 | bintut | DevilChaos: it's not running at all so no need to restart, imho |
| 14:26.21 | DevilChaos | try a reboot? |
| 14:26.32 | earthian | bintut, show us your syslog in pastebin ... just the lines where it mentions cron |
| 14:26.33 | bintut | hhmmm.. |
| 14:26.34 | bellemerlord | Pastebin doesnt work, but i posted my fstab here http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/7452/ |
| 14:26.38 | narasim_7 | i changed font settings in control center no use.. but in kde fonts are generally antialiased |
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| 14:26.55 | MarcoPau | abrotman: those are already alsa devices... |
| 14:27.01 | narasim_7 | only in webpages fonts are not antialiased |
| 14:27.26 | bintut | Feb 11 16:17:01 quezon /USR/SBIN/CRON[10303]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 14:27.26 | bintut | Feb 11 17:17:01 quezon /USR/SBIN/CRON[10372]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 14:27.26 | bintut | Feb 11 18:17:01 quezon /USR/SBIN/CRON[10899]: (root) CMD ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly) |
| 14:27.34 | abrotman | MarcoPau: or use flash9 .. which is supposed to do alsa better |
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| 14:28.19 | DevilChaos | anyway anyone know about btobex client? |
| 14:28.22 | bintut | earthian and DevilChaos: why's that so? the cron.hourly works but the daemon is not? |
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| 14:28.36 | DevilChaos | crond |
| 14:28.52 | karmatronic | DevilChaos, obexftp , obex_test ? |
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| 14:29.01 | MarcoPau | abrotman: ok... anyway isn't there any command to free up the audio device? |
| 14:29.15 | bintut | any other ideas? |
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| 14:29.24 | abrotman | marcels: yeah .. kill FF :) |
| 14:29.27 | DevilChaos | earthian: i think it hasent installed properly |
| 14:29.41 | earthian | MarcoPau, /etc/init.d/asla restart will do |
| 14:29.44 | DevilChaos | obex_test all give it a shot |
| 14:29.44 | earthian | alsa* |
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| 14:30.23 | earthian | bellemerlord, your fstab looks ok.... you just need to put links mannually inside your desktop. thats a solution. |
| 14:30.41 | bellemerlord | ok, i try |
| 14:31.36 | MarcoPau | earthian: I did that with alsa-utils and it won't free anything up |
| 14:31.52 | earthian | do it with alsa, not utils |
| 14:32.12 | earthian | it should restart your sound drivers which should free stuff... |
| 14:32.53 | bellemerlord | ok, i have the link on the desktop, but what about the Places menu? do i have to restart gnome? |
| 14:33.13 | earthian | hmm |
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| 14:35.29 | etchjster | alsa is hard to understand |
| 14:35.45 | earthian | bellemerlord, a solution: open nautilus, open "places" thing in the left (like a tree), then drag-n-drop those directories to there and it will appear in places menu and there in nautilus places thing |
| 14:36.19 | MarcoPau | earthian: I don't have just alsa, and alsa-utils restart says it's restarting alsa... |
| 14:36.33 | MarcoPau | anyway I think I need to fix this in other way :) |
| 14:37.10 | earthian | hmm |
| 14:37.22 | earthian | i have mixer_app using my sound device which is good. |
| 14:37.37 | earthian | and i belive that flash should use mixer app too |
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| 14:37.41 | earthian | not the sound directly |
| 14:37.41 | karmatronic | MarcoPau, maybe lsof /dev/dsp as root if oss compatibility is enabled , to find which processes are locking your sound card and then kill -9 in thoses processes to free your sound device |
| 14:37.42 | earthian | ? |
| 14:38.15 | MarcoPau | karmatronic: heh sure, that's not really comfy also |
| 14:38.37 | MarcoPau | karmatronic: it's just a problem of firefox keeping the device busy even when flash has been shut |
| 14:38.50 | bellemerlord | ok, you dont want to here it but here is the debian way not the better way, just my opinion. Thanks for all your help |
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| 14:39.54 | earthian | bellemerlord, the debian way is not the better way... "better" is subjective. |
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| 14:40.05 | bellemerlord | here = hear |
| 14:40.10 | etchjster | do you get any error with firefox when you tryu to play a sounds |
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| 14:40.41 | etchjster | like oss dev busy? |
| 14:41.06 | xingu | why don't you guys edit /etc/firefox/firefoxrc:FIREFOX_DSP and set it to "aoss" ? |
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| 14:41.23 | etchjster | there you go |
| 14:41.26 | xingu | and then flashplugin's bogosity just won't matter; alsa does mixing. |
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| 14:42.30 | etchjster | praise the google gods |
| 14:42.34 | shafire | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Fritz%21WLAN_USB_Stick?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDevice%29 |
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| 14:42.38 | shafire | For Kernels > 6.13 ( Dapper NOT Breezy) edit fritz/src/buffers.c ( do you need a backup copy ? ) |
| 14:42.38 | shafire | gedit fritz/src/buffers.c |
| 14:42.38 | shafire | comment out line 203 ( // pool->ubf[ix].urb->transfer_flags |= URB_ASYNC_UNLINK;) as the symbol is no longer available and save. |
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| 14:42.43 | shafire | should i remove the line too? |
| 14:43.37 | etchjster | what is dapper? |
| 14:43.52 | dvs | etchjster: #ubuntu |
| 14:43.59 | etchjster | lol |
| 14:44.02 | HymnToLife | guys, this is #debian, not #ubuntu |
| 14:44.07 | etchjster | i know |
| 14:44.15 | etchjster | i was being nicer than you guys |
| 14:44.18 | dvs | etchjster: then why did you ask? |
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| 14:44.26 | frostschutz | diaper? |
| 14:44.36 | etchjster | <shafire> For Kernels > 6.13 ( Dapper NOT Breezy) edit fritz/src/buffers.c ( do you need a backup copy ? ) |
| 14:45.02 | cusco | thats ubuntu |
| 14:45.04 | cusco | not debian |
| 14:45.13 | etchjster | thought hed get the hint |
| 14:45.14 | shafire | yeah |
| 14:45.21 | shafire | but i can't find something for debian |
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| 14:45.39 | etchjster | what are you talking about? |
| 14:46.20 | shafire | i want to install fritz wlan usb stick |
| 14:47.18 | etchjster | so you want to install debian packages for ubuntu? |
| 14:47.58 | etchjster | ubdebdrake |
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| 14:49.16 | shafire | no |
| 14:49.28 | shafire | I want to run my usb stick on debian |
| 14:49.35 | shafire | i can't find any debian howto |
| 14:50.13 | etchjster | im so lost now im going to shutup |
| 14:51.45 | abrotman | see kids .. that's why you go to college :) |
| 14:52.34 | etchjster | i missed that part |
| 14:52.40 | etchjster | my bad |
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| 14:53.40 | Resiser_X2 | Hi |
| 14:53.47 | etchjster | that extension course at the community college kicked my ass |
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| 14:53.56 | Resiser_X2 | problems with my Compaq 2100 using Xfree86 |
| 14:54.11 | Resiser_X2 | only appear the x pointer |
| 14:54.18 | Resiser_X2 | but no load desktop |
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| 14:54.54 | abrotman | !enter |
| 14:54.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 14:55.38 | Resiser_X2 | abrotman: i need problems with xfree86 |
| 14:55.41 | Resiser_X2 | can you help me |
| 14:55.41 | shafire | how can i install .deb packages from diskette |
| 14:55.46 | abrotman | Resiser_X2: you need more problems ? |
| 14:55.49 | shafire | how can i install .deb packages from diskette with marked in aptitude?? |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | shafire: man dpkg |
| 14:56.00 | frostschutz | Resiser_X2: use gentoo :-) |
| 14:56.05 | shafire | dpkg will mark it for aptitude? |
| 14:56.20 | Resiser_X2 | abrotman: i installed debian in another laptop Compaq Presario 2100 |
| 14:56.21 | abrotman | frostschutz: don't do that |
| 14:56.24 | Resiser_X2 | is a new problem |
| 14:56.32 | abrotman | did you install a desktop ? |
| 14:56.37 | Resiser_X2 | yeah |
| 14:56.40 | abrotman | which one ? |
| 14:56.41 | frostschutz | abrotman: sorry :) |
| 14:56.43 | Resiser_X2 | i use X to run it |
| 14:56.56 | Resiser_X2 | but appear the pointer (an X pointer) |
| 14:57.02 | Resiser_X2 | but nothing else |
| 14:57.07 | abrotman | that's nice .. what desktop did you install ? |
| 14:57.13 | shafire | abrotman: dpkg will mark it for aptitude? |
| 14:57.16 | Resiser_X2 | Gnome |
| 14:57.19 | abrotman | shafire: no |
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| 14:57.27 | abrotman | Resiser_X2: apt-get install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 14:57.30 | shafire | abrotman: mhm how do i do that? |
| 14:57.36 | xingu | whoo, sid smartmontools supports sata auto offline testing now. :) |
| 14:57.39 | abrotman | i'm sure there's a way with aptitude |
| 14:57.49 | shafire | or how can i install .deb packages with aptitude from diskette? |
| 14:58.07 | Resiser_X2 | abrotman: at install moment i choose Desktop |
| 14:58.18 | Resiser_X2 | so xfree should be installed |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | Resiser_X2: aptitude install gnome gdm x-window-system |
| 14:58.34 | abrotman | Resiser_X2: humor me |
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| 14:59.33 | Resiser_X2 | ok |
| 14:59.37 | Resiser_X2 | i am installing |
| 14:59.41 | Resiser_X2 | is rare |
| 14:59.48 | Resiser_X2 | it should be installed |
| 15:00.05 | abrotman | yeah .. that's rare |
| 15:00.25 | Resiser_X2 | i am using 3.1R4 |
| 15:00.38 | Resiser_X2 | in this laptop i am using 3.1R1 |
| 15:00.39 | abrotman | that's a good one |
| 15:00.50 | Resiser_X2 | i want to test Etch |
| 15:01.04 | Resiser_X2 | what about Etch? have you test it? |
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| 15:01.16 | abrotman | yes i have |
| 15:01.30 | Resiser_X2 | and? what about X system? |
| 15:01.35 | Resiser_X2 | device detection |
| 15:01.37 | abrotman | it's just peachy |
| 15:01.53 | Resiser_X2 | peachy ? what mean? |
| 15:01.59 | bzed | sexy |
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| 15:02.01 | bzed | :) |
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| 15:02.36 | bzed | I'm using testing + unstable/experimental all the time. works very well |
| 15:02.41 | xingu | be vewy vewy qwiet |
| 15:02.53 | abrotman | RABBITS! |
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| 15:04.28 | mhiku | how to extract tbz files? |
| 15:04.42 | xingu | tar xjf ? |
| 15:04.43 | bzed | tar xvfj |
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| 15:04.53 | mhiku | ok ty |
| 15:04.53 | Drgb | tar trmdf |
| 15:05.41 | Drgb | oops, I thought they were random letters |
| 15:06.23 | bzed | npo |
| 15:06.24 | bzed | no |
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| 15:11.25 | Harley^ | Howdy :) |
| 15:11.34 | earthian | hello, why I cant see keyboard layout picture in gnome keyboard indicator in my debian ??? |
| 15:11.57 | earthian | its empty in every language |
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| 15:12.28 | mhiku | checking for tgetent in -lncurses... no checking for tgetent in -lcurses... no checking for tgetent in -ltermlib... no checking for tgetent in -ltermcap... no checking for tgetent in -lterminfo... no, i did install all of them specially ncurses, why is that? and what is workaround? |
| 15:14.04 | abrotman | mhiku: you need -dev packages |
| 15:14.17 | xingu | libncurses5-dev probably |
| 15:14.19 | bzed | libncurses5-dev <, isntall thgat |
| 15:14.28 | bzed | fuck typo daemons |
| 15:14.32 | Resiser_X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | Resiser_X2: all good ? |
| 15:14.44 | Resiser_X2 | running xdm |
| 15:14.46 | Resiser_X2 | good |
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| 15:15.08 | mhiku | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.11 | mhiku | where can i get that? |
| 15:15.15 | mhiku | i mean what website? |
| 15:15.27 | Resiser_X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.39 | abrotman | i don't know anyting about it |
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| 15:15.46 | abrotman | mhiku: in apt-get |
| 15:15.47 | Resiser_X2 | yeah |
| 15:15.49 | Resiser_X2 | i know |
| 15:15.59 | Resiser_X2 | if you know, sure you help me |
| 15:16.12 | Christoph_vW | I need 7zip on Linux - I just installed p7zip - but I can not find the 7za executable file |
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| 15:17.52 | Christoph_vW | got it - there is a p7zip-full package |
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| 15:18.46 | Harley^ | I have Debian Etch AMD64 installed. There are several specific features in a newer version of ImageMagick-6.3.2-4 such as montage coalecse that I would like to use that are not available in the Etch AMD64 insalled edition. Its ImageMagick-6.2.4 I have compiled the new edition of the the ImageMagick-6.3.2-4 (There were no Debian specific scripts). There are some libraries that were produced with the compile. If I simply run the make install, several of the |
| 15:18.46 | Harley^ | utilites in the older edition will be overwritten. Is it better to use Synaptic to REMOVE the old edition before running make install ? Are there other considerations I should be aware of first ? |
| 15:19.25 | xingu | Harley^: why don't you just build it with prefix=/usr/local ? |
| 15:19.39 | Resiser_X2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.44 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:19.46 | xingu | Harley^: alternatively you might find you can grab the source and diff from experminetal and backport it. |
| 15:19.53 | mhiku | should i install libncurses5-dev with shared? |
| 15:19.55 | Resiser_X2 | using mount /dev/sda1 /media/canon |
| 15:20.10 | Resiser_X2 | but, No valid block device |
| 15:20.24 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 15:20.27 | Harley^ | xing - I'm not sure I understand what would that accomplish other than having the install directory for the executables /usr/local/bin ? |
| 15:20.27 | bzed | mhiku: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 15:20.56 | Harley^ | yikes ! backport is beyond my knowledge :) |
| 15:21.35 | xingu | Harley^: usually a case of get debian source, debian diff - apply diff to source, run make -f debian/rules binary |
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| 15:22.01 | abrotman | simple sid backport |
| 15:22.02 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:22.12 | xingu | I guess. :) |
| 15:22.48 | xingu | sort of like units; he has - sid - he wants - package that is maybe already debianised in experimental |
| 15:22.59 | mhiku | why cant i use ncurses 5.6? |
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| 15:23.24 | abrotman | you need the -dev package for compiling |
| 15:23.59 | bzed | mhiku: why don't you do what we told you? If you don't know how, ask :) |
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| 15:25.14 | mhiku | hehe, im installing the manual way, :) im practicing |
| 15:25.26 | mhiku | but thanks |
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| 15:26.42 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: how the hell are you buddy? |
| 15:27.10 | abrotman | mhiku: installing what the manual way ? |
| 15:27.26 | mhiku | sh configure |
| 15:27.31 | abrotman | Noky: top is one way ? |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | ps is another |
| 15:28.19 | mhiku | ahhh vserver blocks tgetent, i think |
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| 15:29.12 | mhiku | what is tgetent anyways |
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| 15:29.30 | abrotman | mhiku: what are you compiling ? |
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| 15:31.35 | mhiku | autoconf |
| 15:31.44 | mhiku | autoconf needs tgetent |
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| 15:31.48 | dav_ | elo |
| 15:32.04 | Zorb | Hi I would like to configure my Genius netscroll optical mouse .I vould like my two extra button on the side to act as Page Up Page down. The scroll works properly Can anyone help? |
| 15:32.12 | abrotman | mhiku: autoconf is in debian already |
| 15:32.14 | dav_ | how could i know the debian dvd installation contents ? |
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| 15:32.18 | dav_ | !dvd contents |
| 15:32.19 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 15:32.34 | mhiku | i mean im installing autoconf svn version |
| 15:32.36 | dav_ | !dpkg dvd contents |
| 15:32.43 | karim_ | s there a way to open a window without it having borders ? I want to run freevo but it's not in fullscreen, borders are still there |
| 15:32.47 | mhiku | or cvs.. i dont remember |
| 15:32.55 | abrotman | mhiku: why? |
| 15:33.10 | xingu | perhaps he's into s&m |
| 15:33.14 | mhiku | hehe im practicing to be a linux guy hehe |
| 15:33.36 | mhiku | installing softwares in a vserver where your not a root |
| 15:33.48 | abrotman | that's nice .. but autoconf ? |
| 15:33.49 | mhiku | and ive gone good so far. |
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| 15:34.22 | xingu | you are lost in a twisty little maze of local autoconf installations; no two versions are broken exactly alike -- more -- |
| 15:34.27 | mhiku | yes i manage to install ffmpeg and it works |
| 15:34.30 | mhiku | even not root |
| 15:34.54 | dazjorz | When installing XML::SAX through apt-get when it's already installed by cpan (dependancy), I get this error: Can't locate object method "save_parsers_debian" via package "XML::SAX" at /usr/bin/update-perl-sax-parsers line 90. |
| 15:35.01 | mhiku | but im installing screen, needs tgetent, i think root blocks tgetent |
| 15:35.43 | abrotman | mhiku: but you're becoming root to install the -dev pacakges .. isn't that cheating ? |
| 15:35.49 | mhiku | ive installed so far WARNING: probably need a terminal library, one of: ncurses curses termlib termcap terminfo , packages, it installed well but tgetent cant be autodetected |
| 15:35.56 | dazjorz | Then when I move SAX.pm to SAX.pm.old, it works perfectly |
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| 15:36.08 | mhiku | i can do anything in my shell right? |
| 15:36.44 | mhiku | 20 dollars in a grind server is better than 100 dollars for a root box |
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| 15:36.54 | mhiku | and i did install a lot |
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| 15:37.55 | mhiku | wuu i wish i know a work around to get tgetent so i can install screen |
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| 15:40.15 | bjornh` | hi. what should i put in sources.list to use unstable with norwegian mirrors? |
| 15:40.39 | bzed | use your favourite mirror, copy the line and replace etch/testing by unstable |
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| 15:41.21 | bzed | you want to add something like APT::Default-Release "testing"; into a file under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 15:41.24 | yang | are there any teleFAX gateways, for sending the faxes when using on a debian machine? |
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| 15:42.58 | Zorb | Hi I would like to configure my Genius netscroll optical mouse .I vould like my two extra button on the side to act as Page Up Page down. The scroll works properly My Xorg.conf looks like this Section "InputDevice" |
| 15:42.58 | Zorb | Identifier"Mouse" |
| 15:42.58 | Zorb | Driver"mouse" |
| 15:42.58 | Zorb | Option"CorePointer" |
| 15:42.58 | Zorb | Option"Device""/dev/input/mice" |
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| 15:44.10 | wwallace_lap | enouf: what r u doing? |
| 15:44.27 | enouf | !u |
| 15:44.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:44.37 | enouf | :-p |
| 15:44.56 | etchjster | here we go again |
| 15:45.03 | enouf | !sunday |
| 15:45.04 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:45.26 | karmatronic | yeah let s troll |
| 15:45.29 | wwallace_lap | ha ha ha |
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| 15:45.55 | x4n4t0s | hi |
| 15:46.10 | CharminTheMoose | good yalesberg |
| 15:46.20 | shafire | how can i change my system to german utf8 |
| 15:47.05 | etchjster | one of you smart bastards need to start a teaching channel |
| 15:47.10 | x4n4t0s | I was installing debian etch, but when I did apt-get update send me a error with the gpg key, somebody have an debian's repositories for my sources.list |
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| 15:47.33 | larsl | Which package is the info page for GNU Make in? |
| 15:47.39 | BrianSteffens | what would cause the debian installer to fail on attempt to install grub or lilo? |
| 15:48.07 | etchjster | partitions? |
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| 15:49.07 | BrianSteffens | etchjster: i've tried a lot of configurations.. but even a basic 2 partition, one ext3 on /, one ext3 on /home |
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| 15:49.36 | bzed | x4n4t0s: which one are you using now? chances are good that installing debian-keyring will solve your problem |
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| 15:50.11 | bzed | BrianSteffens: did you install it in the MBR? |
| 15:50.15 | x4n4t0s | I use the default mirrors |
| 15:50.30 | bzed | ftp.debian.org? then install debian-keyring |
| 15:50.39 | BrianSteffens | bzed: yes and it says it failed like three times in a row with scary red text |
| 15:50.41 | x4n4t0s | :) |
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| 15:51.50 | bzed | BrianSteffens: a guess whould be that grub was not able to determine your hard-disk. could you copy the content of the error-message? probably somebody has an idea then |
| 15:52.10 | BrianSteffens | bzed: ok it'll be awhile, i'll have to attempt to reinstall debian |
| 15:52.30 | enouf | BrianSteffens: debootstrap? or CD install |
| 15:52.46 | BrianSteffens | enouf: netinstall from cd |
| 15:52.57 | bzed | BrianSteffens: sarge or etch? |
| 15:53.04 | BrianSteffens | bzed: etch |
| 15:53.10 | enouf | BrianSteffens: what command did you use? |
| 15:53.20 | BrianSteffens | enouf: no command, it's the installer |
| 15:53.33 | enouf | BrianSteffens: you must tell grub which disk |
| 15:53.45 | etchjster | expert26 |
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| 15:53.46 | enouf | BrianSteffens: did you tell it correctly? |
| 15:54.00 | BrianSteffens | enouf: it didn't ask me, it just started installing it, like it always has |
| 15:54.01 | enouf | BrianSteffens: hd0,1 for example? |
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| 15:54.47 | bzed | as far as I remember does the installer not ask for a disk, it just asks if you wanna install it in the mbr or not |
| 15:54.52 | earthian | why I cant see keyboard layout picture in gnome keyboard indicator and gnome keyboard layout settings?? ;/ |
| 15:55.19 | nvz | earthian: I Dunno.. put your glasses on maybe? |
| 15:55.37 | wwallace_lap | enouf: come back to the linux channel |
| 15:55.44 | wwallace_lap | tahy say your command doesnt work |
| 15:55.45 | wwallace_lap | thanks |
| 15:56.53 | earthian | nvz, i have my glasses on.. how do you know? anyway.. the picture is not here. |
| 15:56.59 | earthian | i would like a fix to that |
| 15:57.01 | earthian | please? :) |
| 15:57.41 | enouf | bah .. |
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| 15:57.48 | enouf | BrianSteffens: http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/iforone/grub-installer_bootdev_0.png |
| 15:58.07 | enouf | wwallace_lap: wtf? what command |
| 15:58.17 | wwallace_lap | egrep |
| 15:58.30 | BrianSteffens | enouf: whaaat is that? graphical install?? |
| 15:58.36 | x_link | enouf: Hi. |
| 15:58.42 | enouf | BrianSteffens: duh |
| 15:58.48 | x_link | enouf: Can you explain for me with easy words what a tunnel is? |
| 15:58.49 | enouf | x_link: yo yo ma |
| 15:59.00 | x_link | I know what a real tunnel is. But I mean when it comes to computers? |
| 15:59.08 | x_link | Programming, internet, Linux or what it is. |
| 15:59.08 | enouf | x_link: it's a place that contains specific traffic |
| 15:59.14 | BrianSteffens | enouf: is it functionally different from the textmode one? |
| 15:59.18 | x_link | What kind of traffic? |
| 15:59.48 | enouf | BrianSteffens: doesn't matter .. expert{gui} vs install{gui} will vary more |
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| 16:00.09 | enouf | x_link: any kind of traffic that uses it .. could be vpn, ssh, etc |
| 16:00.16 | BrianSteffens | enouf: ah. are they all included in the netinstall isos? |
| 16:00.17 | karmatronic | x_link, a tunnel is a connection between computers using one port ,encrypted or not , that can be used to pass more connections through |
| 16:00.19 | x_link | karmatronic: ok |
| 16:00.21 | enouf | x_link: I suck at networking .. |
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| 16:00.35 | x_link | enouf: Np. =) I appreciate that you try for me |
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| 16:00.38 | x_link | karmatronic: One port? |
| 16:00.49 | x_link | I just use one port |
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| 16:00.54 | x_link | Cause I just have this computer here |
| 16:00.59 | x_link | So I'm using a tunnel or? |
| 16:01.11 | karmatronic | x_link, ? |
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| 16:01.42 | karmatronic | x_link, i would say one port is used to control the connections made through this tunnel |
| 16:01.46 | x_link | karmatronic: You said computers that's using one port. |
| 16:01.52 | x_link | karmatronic: hehe ok |
| 16:01.57 | x_link | This is way over my league. |
| 16:02.04 | cahoot | http://www.rzg.mpg.de/networking/tunnelling.html |
| 16:02.04 | enouf | BrianSteffens: yes .. see the install guide and press the F1-F10 keys at boot |
| 16:02.06 | x_link | I'm just a Linux newbie, I don't know much ast all. |
| 16:02.15 | x_link | cahoot: Thanks mate! |
| 16:02.16 | enouf | !tell BrianSteffens -about ig |
| 16:02.18 | heh_v_water | x_link, a tunnel is an encrypted connection to a remote location that acts as it's own physical network connection |
| 16:02.20 | karmatronic | x_link, tunnels are cool indeed |
| 16:02.21 | x_link | I will try to find a site on swedish. |
| 16:02.41 | karmatronic | heh_v_water, strictly speaking it s not always encrypted |
| 16:02.42 | x_link | karmatronic: Do you think that I need to use one? |
| 16:02.51 | heh_v_water | karmatronic, agreed |
| 16:03.06 | karmatronic | x_link, depends on what you wanne do |
| 16:03.10 | zamaliphe | do you think if i compill some thing from the source that will make the app more staple than installing it using debian pkg? |
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| 16:03.24 | larsl | zamaliphe: Most of the time, no. |
| 16:03.31 | heh_v_water | zamaliphe, most definitely not in almost all cases |
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| 16:03.43 | x_link | karmatronic: Nothing speicall. |
| 16:03.52 | karmatronic | x_link, ssh tunnels are tipically used when you have access to an ssh server through a firewall |
| 16:04.08 | Kobaz | what would be the recommended method of setting up a raid-5 type system with many drives of very different sizes |
| 16:04.11 | karmatronic | x_link, and that firewall is blocking all outgoing traffic |
| 16:04.25 | DevilChaos | hi i have pasted a dump of the output from running kbluetoothd from a root console see what you guys think http://pastebin.co.uk/10276 |
| 16:04.34 | larsl | x_link: Unless you want to set up a LAN-like network with someone else over the internet or use encryption with unencrypted protocols (to one specific server) you don't need to worry about tunnels. |
| 16:04.40 | karmatronic | x_link, in that situation you can use a tunnel to access all the external ressources through the ssh server |
| 16:05.08 | karmatronic | x_link, a vpn is just the same generalized to a set of computers |
| 16:05.46 | karmatronic | x_link, the important thing about tunnel is |
| 16:05.54 | h3xis | i have compiled/installed kismet from source and then i decided to remove all traces of kismet and install it through apt-get. whenever i try to run kismet from the command line it is looking in the old path to find it and not the new one. how do i tell debian where to run kismet from? |
| 16:06.14 | heya0007 | anyone here download pictures from siemens mobile phones on linux? |
| 16:06.23 | larsl | h3xis: 'hash' |
| 16:06.23 | DarkCow | Kobaz, it might be possible using LVM to make all of the drives look like several equally-sized drives, but then the redundancy almost certainly wouldn't work |
| 16:06.25 | karmatronic | x_link, if you have access to one outside port through a firewall , then really you have access to all the external ressources |
| 16:06.43 | larsl | h3xis: More specifically, 'hash kismet' |
| 16:06.55 | Kobaz | DarkCow: that's what i was thinking |
| 16:06.55 | bzed | h3xis: is there still and old kistmet installed? or does running 'kismet' return an error? |
| 16:06.59 | karmatronic | x_link, and ...worst....everybody can gain access to the internal ressources of your work network |
| 16:07.05 | zamaliphe | i ask this case i hate all the linux download mangar most of them crash and unstable and when crash i lost all my download list dos any one know good way to have stable download mangar app i have Finlay thought i may compill d4x my self :( |
| 16:07.11 | DarkCow | how many drives are we talking about? |
| 16:07.15 | Kobaz | 8 |
| 16:07.35 | DarkCow | how big are they? |
| 16:07.36 | bzed | zamaliphe: kget works well for me |
| 16:07.46 | h3xis | bzed, old kismet is no longer installed |
| 16:07.56 | karmatronic | zamaliphe, wget ? |
| 16:07.56 | Kobaz | various sizes of 400, 300, 200, 160, 80 |
| 16:07.59 | PerfDave | I've just installed Etch on a system with a SiS 65x/M650/740 display adapter. Xorg is using the "sis" driver, and the screen is really blurry, with "ghosting" on the image. I can't find anything about this in Google, does anybody have any suggestions? |
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| 16:08.19 | h3xis | bzed, i went through and rm'd everything kismet to remove traces but it's still calling for the old install rather than the new install done by apt-get |
| 16:08.26 | DarkCow | h3xis, try from a new terminal? |
| 16:08.37 | bzed | h3xis: well then.. as mentioned before - use hash... hash -r will help, for example |
| 16:08.57 | DevilChaos | someone take a look at my paste please? http://pastebin.co.uk/10276 |
| 16:09.11 | Kobaz | DarkCow: so you can see why raid-5 would suck. i don't really want to waste hundreds of gigs by raiding 80gigs across the drives, heh |
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| 16:09.14 | h3xis | larsl, bzed that did it, thx |
| 16:09.34 | DarkCow | Kobaz, I would put the 300 and 80 together with LVM, and the 200 and 160 together |
| 16:10.09 | DarkCow | arrange it so that you get 3x360G LVM thingys |
| 16:10.13 | PerfDave | Gah, don't worry, it was a hardware issue - the cable I was using to connect the machine to the monitory :/ |
| 16:10.18 | Kobaz | yeah, something like that |
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| 16:10.47 | Kobaz | the only way it would work nicely with redundancy would be to only join entire drives |
| 16:11.02 | DarkCow | then take the remaining/spare 60G and use it for something else |
| 16:11.05 | bzed | wasn't there a bug in ther kernel regarding md on top of lvm/ |
| 16:11.11 | bzed | ? |
| 16:11.15 | DarkCow | well, if you think about it... |
| 16:11.17 | Kobaz | dunno, i hope not |
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| 16:11.19 | bzed | like: don't do it |
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| 16:11.47 | Kobaz | it seems the recommendation is lvm on top of md |
| 16:11.50 | DarkCow | if a single drive fails, it won't be any worse than if a hypothetical 360G drive failed |
| 16:11.58 | Eclipser | why oh why does xutils depend on xutils-dev... |
| 16:12.05 | xingu | Kobaz: different sizes == different geometries == wildly different performance profiles too |
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| 16:12.11 | DarkCow | so the RAID should be able to handle it |
| 16:12.16 | Kobaz | yeah butn this box isn't performance critical |
| 16:12.20 | Kobaz | just needs alot of space |
| 16:12.25 | Kobaz | for like, two users |
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| 16:12.43 | xingu | Kobaz: creating logical volumes out of dissimilar hardware is a great way to kick your own ass in io throughput and latency terms. |
| 16:12.50 | Kobaz | yeap |
| 16:12.54 | Kobaz | i figured as much |
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| 16:14.30 | Kobaz | maybe i should just sell all the drives on ebay and get a slew of 400's |
| 16:14.30 | Kobaz | heh |
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| 16:14.30 | bzed | Kobaz: you probably want to make several raid5 devices and add them together with lvm |
| 16:14.30 | Kobaz | that may work |
| 16:14.31 | bzed | better than the other way round, if you really want to do it |
| 16:14.32 | xingu | Kobaz: with that caveat in mind, just pair the disks up as best you can, mirror the pairs, and create a lvm concatenation across the lot |
| 16:14.33 | DarkCow | while we're on the subject of RAID, I tried to RAID 3x250G WD caviar drives into RAID-5, but they failed under high usage. I think it's my SATA cards, but my troubleshooting failed |
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| 16:15.18 | etchjster | failed how? |
| 16:15.27 | Kobaz | xingu: yeah i was thinking of that too |
| 16:15.28 | bzed | you usually don;t want to have one large piece of disk, so you'd probably end up with lvm <- md <- lvm.. which makes no sense at all. better use raid5 directly and concatenate the devices with lvm |
| 16:15.28 | DarkCow | locked up the system |
| 16:16.16 | DarkCow | firstly, they aren't hot-swappable, and secondly, when I tried to put them under a lot of usage, they didn't lock up - I tried all drives on both cards |
| 16:16.19 | earthian | can somebody advice me if i should go for 64bit version of debian.. i will have around 6 gigs of ram soon which is more than 4gigs |
| 16:16.21 | bzed | DarkCow: did you try a recent kernel? and are you sure the drives failed? I'd guess the controller dailed |
| 16:16.29 | canapa | i am trying to install debian with the businesscard diss. the network seems to work (DHCP config), i get to check the archive mirror, and then when it starts up the partitioner, it stops at 38% saying "Scaning disks". and it is stuck there for about 20 hours now, so i dont expect any progress |
| 16:16.34 | canapa | anyone got an idea ? |
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| 16:16.39 | Kobaz | earthian: haha, what are you doing with 6 gigs of ram |
| 16:16.40 | Eclipser | damn this |
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| 16:16.57 | earthian | Kobaz, i got them so cheaply that i could not resist :) |
| 16:17.01 | Kobaz | heh |
| 16:17.20 | BrianSteffens | ok so i am at the 'Install GRUB boot loader on a hard disk' part. should i have it install to the MBR? |
| 16:17.24 | bzed | canapa: waiting 2 minutes would have been enough :) |
| 16:17.32 | bzed | BrianSteffens: yeah, install it into the mbr |
| 16:17.32 | Kobaz | i had 4 gigs on this box and it was so overkill that when i build another box i threw 2 gigs into there so i didnt have to buy ram |
| 16:17.35 | DarkCow | bzed, it did it again with LVM, on 2.6.18, so I think it is the controllers |
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| 16:17.41 | dazjorz | How to recursively measure the size of a directory's contents ? |
| 16:17.42 | EdLin | !any ideas? |
| 16:17.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 rabid kittens. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:17.47 | Kobaz | dazjorz: du |
| 16:17.48 | canapa | bzed: well, i was pissed cuz i tryed several times last night and left it there |
| 16:17.52 | dazjorz | Kobaz: thanks |
| 16:17.53 | DarkCow | it's not a huge problem, because it seems to only happen under sustained (1h?) load |
| 16:18.07 | Kobaz | dazjorz: my favorite.... su -sxc * | sort -g |
| 16:18.14 | Kobaz | dazjorz: du -sxc * | sort -g |
| 16:18.24 | earthian | Kobaz, but would I need 64bit kernel or not? |
| 16:18.26 | canapa | bzed: any idea what could be the problem? |
| 16:18.29 | bzed | DarkCow: try 2.6.20... if it's still buggy you could try and poek the guys sitting in #storage on otfc.net |
| 16:18.37 | Kobaz | earthian: no you don't 2.6 has up to 64gb memory support |
| 16:18.41 | DarkCow | mkay |
| 16:18.57 | bzed | canapa: no, unfortunatey not. luckily I never had the need to debug the installer |
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| 16:19.08 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 16:19.08 | canapa | damn |
| 16:20.19 | canapa | anyone else who could help me on this installing issue ? |
| 16:20.26 | Eclipser | meh meh |
| 16:20.34 | Eclipser | so many useless packages come with xorg... |
| 16:20.56 | etchjster | what would happen if there was a deliberate on the vegimite infastructure? |
| 16:21.47 | BrianSteffens | canapa: you try the netinstall instead of businesscard image? |
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| 16:22.56 | canapa | BrianSteffens: yes |
| 16:23.05 | canapa | it was a 3.1 r3 netinstall |
| 16:23.23 | canapa | and i got the 3.1 r4 business to try out if it's a release issue |
| 16:23.30 | canapa | (smaller iso) |
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| 16:25.00 | BrianSteffens | canapa: it stalls on scanning CD part? |
| 16:25.19 | canapa | scanings disks |
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| 16:25.55 | canapa | it says virtual package harddrive-detecion on console 4 |
| 16:26.11 | canapa | and well... cursor blinks for about 21 hours now :) |
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| 16:27.47 | BrianSteffens | canapa: hm, have you recently moved around hard drives? or are you using a new hard drive in that machine? |
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| 16:28.07 | canapa | actually it's a old hard drive |
| 16:28.08 | stoned | dananana danana dana |
| 16:28.14 | canapa | and yes, i did |
| 16:28.20 | canapa | it's old hardware |
| 16:28.30 | canapa | but i have tryed out several hdds |
| 16:28.47 | BrianSteffens | canapa: and it shows correctly in the bios, and is located on primary/master? |
| 16:28.54 | canapa | yes |
| 16:29.32 | infernix | canapa: you could try the etch netinstaller; last time I used it, it allowed me to install sarge, etch or sid (e.g. stable/testing/unstable) |
| 16:29.59 | infernix | it runs off a newer kernel. might help. I do assume you tried the 2.6 kernel on the sarge netinstaller already/ |
| 16:30.04 | etchjster | who uses 2.6.20 |
| 16:30.52 | canapa | BrianSteffens: DVD and HDD both on primary IDE master slave, both auto detect, both show up... |
| 16:30.54 | canapa | i dunno |
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| 16:31.00 | stoned | etchjster: lots of people |
| 16:31.03 | theos | hi |
| 16:31.04 | stoned | !anyone |
| 16:31.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 16:31.15 | stoned | theos: hi |
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| 16:31.50 | stoned | infernix: you tried to install sarge with the etch netinstaller? |
| 16:32.00 | stoned | infernix: or did you just see the option through expert install? |
| 16:32.03 | TheZanke | stoned, !u was still my favorite |
| 16:32.05 | theos | how to install wine from a bzip file |
| 16:32.11 | theos | thx |
| 16:32.13 | infernix | well i dont remember installing sarge. i do remember seeing the option. i think i installed ethc |
| 16:32.22 | stoned | theos: why not use the debian package for wine? |
| 16:32.31 | theos | its not workin |
| 16:32.35 | stoned | theos: you can extact bzip2 files with tar |
| 16:32.37 | theos | thats why ... |
| 16:32.37 | stoned | !not working |
| 16:32.37 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:32.40 | etchjster | expert26? |
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| 16:32.50 | stoned | no need to 26 with etch |
| 16:32.54 | stoned | it doesn't use 2.4 to begin with |
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| 16:33.09 | infernix | stoned: if the etch installer does a base install of etch and then installs sarge, that'll obviously fail.. but i'm not sure at what point i could choose. iirc it's before the base install |
| 16:33.17 | Zaggynl | Hi, I've just installed quodlibet, but I have no Internet Radio option in the View menu, did I miss/forget something? |
| 16:33.23 | etchjster | iso probally has 2.4 kernel also? |
| 16:33.39 | stoned | infernix: I have seen it. I was just wondering wether the step is after or before the base install |
| 16:33.43 | stoned | infernix: I can't quite recall |
| 16:33.52 | cyzie | ~google ahci |
| 16:33.56 | cyzie | !google ahci |
| 16:34.04 | theos | how do i dpkg my package and install it (pv me if u wanna help) |
| 16:34.04 | stoned | !tell cyzie about search |
| 16:34.20 | Zaggynl | !quodlibet |
| 16:34.24 | stoned | theos: asking in the channel will get you more respnoses than in pvt |
| 16:34.30 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 16:34.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 16:34.54 | stoned | theos: bzip2 uses the j flag with tar to extract |
| 16:35.06 | theos | in terminal how do i do it |
| 16:35.15 | stoned | theos: tar jxvf |
| 16:35.35 | stoned | theos: what doesn't work with the debian package of wine? |
| 16:35.39 | theos | the exact command please |
| 16:35.44 | stoned | theos: man tar |
| 16:35.55 | theos | it says it cant be installed or corrupted or not accessible |
| 16:35.56 | TheZanke | Be right back. |
| 16:36.04 | stoned | I just told you the exact command |
| 16:36.19 | stoned | theos: which one is it? not installable or corrupt? |
| 16:36.24 | theos | oh hx |
| 16:36.45 | stoned | theos: you mean you are unable to install it? |
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| 16:37.32 | bwlang | i would like to install an updated spamassassin and fuzzyocr on debian sarge... is there a reliable source of backports? |
| 16:37.47 | stoned | !bpo |
| 16:37.47 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 16:37.51 | etchjster | the most often solution here is man |
| 16:37.57 | theos | it says the package is not aviable but its listed |
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| 16:38.10 | theos | it says it could have not been listed |
| 16:38.12 | etchjster | too bad you just cant man debian and poof |
| 16:38.31 | TheZanke | M'kay, back... In debian now. |
| 16:38.44 | stoned | etchjster: sarcasm? |
| 16:38.54 | etchjster | you think |
| 16:39.01 | stoned | etchjster: if they hadn't told me to read manpages I wouldn't know half the shit I do now. |
| 16:39.04 | etchjster | is that illegal here too? |
| 16:39.12 | stoned | I don't do the spoonfeeding bullshit |
| 16:39.14 | stoned | capice? |
| 16:39.28 | etchjster | debian nazi |
| 16:39.30 | bzed | bwlang: you could check http://www.rulesemporium.com/ |
| 16:39.35 | theos | so now that i have unpacked it how do i install it (the wine thing) |
| 16:39.51 | stoned | theos: can you paste the output of apt-get install wine |
| 16:40.19 | theos | its in french does it mather |
| 16:40.20 | stoned | theos: every tarball comes with a README or /doc/ somewhere |
| 16:40.22 | stoned | get reading. |
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| 16:40.32 | stoned | i can't understand french |
| 16:40.39 | theos | root@(none):/home/theos/Desktop# apt-get install wine |
| 16:40.39 | theos | Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait |
| 16:40.39 | theos | Construction de l'arbre des dépendances... Fait |
| 16:40.39 | theos | Aucune version du paquet wine n'est disponible, mais il existe dans la base |
| 16:40.40 | theos | de données. Cela signifie en général que le paquet est manquant, qu'il est devenu obsolète |
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| 16:40.43 | stoned | no no |
| 16:41.21 | bwlang | bzed: looks like some kind of fake search site |
| 16:41.23 | TheZanke | That sucks... |
| 16:41.24 | stoned | ok.. me only habla english! :) |
| 16:41.46 | karmatronic | stoned, solo hablo ingles |
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| 16:41.51 | stoned | eh |
| 16:42.03 | stoned | I was playing Ping Pong in Ding Dang. |
| 16:42.23 | bzed | bwlang: http://www.rulesemporium.com/ ? no, it's not. |
| 16:42.41 | TheZanke | karmatronic, his bad translation only emphasized his point :-) |
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| 16:42.53 | karmatronic | :) |
| 16:42.53 | bwlang | bzed: somehow i ended up at .org |
| 16:42.58 | theos | back |
| 16:42.58 | stoned | karmatronic: actually |
| 16:43.03 | theos | got kicked for flooding |
| 16:43.07 | stoned | I saw it in The Big Lebowski |
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| 16:43.13 | [KrusheR] | hi |
| 16:43.16 | TheZanke | good movie. |
| 16:43.20 | stoned | "Habla Usted English?" |
| 16:43.21 | karmatronic | stoned,yeah cool movie |
| 16:43.35 | stoned | Are you employed Mr. Lebowski? |
| 16:43.38 | karmatronic | theos, apt-cache search wine |
| 16:43.42 | stoned | employed? hehe |
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| 16:44.06 | bzed | theos: use pastebin.ca or any other pastebin and link it in here if you ahve something to paste |
| 16:44.14 | stoned | !paster theos |
| 16:44.15 | dpkg | theos: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 16:44.28 | stoned | !fr |
| 16:44.28 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:44.29 | xingu | mmm, pasta |
| 16:44.34 | stoned | mmm xingu |
| 16:44.35 | stoned | I mean.. |
| 16:44.40 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 16:47.07 | theos | ok |
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| 16:47.21 | theos | ill paste what it says |
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| 16:48.04 | theos | its pasted |
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| 16:49.12 | linux2 | is anyone here ab;e to install debian etch at this moment? |
| 16:49.19 | stoned | linux2: yes |
| 16:49.34 | etchjster | man my .xsession-errors is filled to the point of insurmountability |
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| 16:49.56 | linux2 | i cannot install it via the net install because it says "Feb 11 11:47:14 in-target: To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort. enter "No": |
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| 16:50.18 | linux2 | it stops at 5% at select and install software |
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| 16:50.25 | linux2 | and i have no way to answer that question |
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| 16:50.29 | theos | for my paste http://channels.debian.net/paste/5346 |
| 16:50.30 | linux2 | anyone got any clues? |
| 16:50.39 | PerfDave | linux2: I had that problem today. Are you trying to install through an apt-proxy? |
| 16:51.10 | karmatronic | theos, let s see us in #debian-fr |
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| 16:51.34 | linux2 | PerfDave: i am trying to install from ftp.debian.org |
| 16:51.41 | linux2 | ftp.us.debian.org |
| 16:51.50 | linux2 | and i have tried a few others and keep getting that error |
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| 16:52.00 | PerfDave | linux2: Hmm. Fair enough, I thought mine was because I was trying to install through a proxy. |
| 16:52.02 | MsgToThePpl | hi what's the command to set keyb locale ? |
| 16:52.16 | linux2 | so is it just broken for the time being? |
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| 16:52.27 | PerfDave | linux2: To work around it, I unchecked all the options in the task selector, and just installed stuff by hand afterwards |
| 16:52.40 | theos | ok |
| 16:52.42 | PerfDave | linux2: It might be a bug in Etch RC1 installer, but it's not listed in the notes. |
| 16:53.03 | linux2 | PerfDave: im not using the RC1 installer |
| 16:53.08 | linux2 | im using a very old one i just had |
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| 16:53.23 | linux2 | and i have tried other versions as well from previous dailybuilds |
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| 16:53.34 | PerfDave | linux2: Well, I was using the RC1 installer, and I had that problem today (installing from ftp.uk.debian.org) and that's how I got round it. |
| 16:53.55 | ChaosR | how can you shutdown Xorg? |
| 16:53.55 | linux2 | PerfDave: how do you tell it to just install a standard system after you are booted up into the base system |
| 16:53.59 | ice63 | linux2: you will need the image to install etch |
| 16:53.59 | linux2 | is there a way? |
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| 16:54.08 | ice63 | new |
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| 16:54.20 | nitro4ce | does anyone know when will debian unstable have the 9xxx series of the nvidia drivers? |
| 16:54.32 | PerfDave | linux2: I just used aptitude. |
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| 16:54.49 | linux2 | what did you install? |
| 16:55.08 | tralala | linux2, you can install kde or gnome |
| 16:55.09 | PerfDave | linux2: kdebase, xserver-xorg-core, kdm, adept |
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| 16:55.31 | linux2 | tralala: well after i boot up into my system i just want to install the standard system packages |
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| 16:55.36 | linux2 | im not sure which ones those are |
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| 16:55.49 | tralala | linux2, there aren't any "standard" packages |
| 16:56.04 | PerfDave | tralala: Actually, there's a tasksel task for "standard system" |
| 16:56.05 | robin_sz | xingu, everything seems to work perfectly ... except for the maestro3 sound card ... |
| 16:56.13 | linux2 | PerfDave: yeah that |
| 16:56.35 | h3sp4wn | nitro4ce: experimental already has them - after etch is released probably |
| 16:56.36 | xingu | robin_sz: what happens with that? :) |
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| 16:56.54 | EvilDin | i have vservers installed, how can i make folder /tmp bigger ? |
| 16:57.03 | robin_sz | xingu, well, it woudl be fair to say "nothing" :) |
| 16:57.05 | tralala | PerfDave, doh... isn't it deprecated? |
| 16:57.09 | stoned | ice63: alt/ctrl/backspace. if you have *dm /etc/init.d/*dm stop |
| 16:57.26 | theos | its not working in the room |
| 16:57.27 | xingu | robin_sz: <grin> the sound of silence? |
| 16:57.30 | theos | deb-f |
| 16:57.32 | nitro4ce | h3sp4wn: thanks! |
| 16:57.34 | PerfDave | tralala: Isn't waht deprecated? |
| 16:57.34 | stoned | sorry |
| 16:57.44 | TheZanke | ptost |
| 16:57.44 | tralala | tasksel |
| 16:57.45 | stoned | s/ice63/chaosR |
| 16:57.50 | PerfDave | linux2: I don't know what packages that task installs, but your system will work fine without it I expect. |
| 16:57.57 | TheZanke | oops, wrong screen |
| 16:57.58 | PerfDave | tralala: Are you thinking of dselect? |
| 16:58.12 | linux2 | PerfDave: can i just run tasksel after install? |
| 16:58.31 | PerfDave | linux2: I think so. You may have grub issues too but they shouldn't be hard to fix. |
| 16:58.40 | tralala | erm... probably. So tasksel is not deprecated? |
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| 16:59.04 | PerfDave | tralala: Tasksel's supposed to be the "standard" way of installing bundles of packages at install time. |
| 16:59.20 | stoned | you do not need to use tasksel at all |
| 16:59.20 | robin_sz | xingu, I shall do my usual trick .. lspci -x ... before and afert a reboot and hibernate ... see whhich register is screwed up, then use setpci to force it. brutal, but often works |
| 16:59.42 | xingu | robin_sz: it might be driver state that's wedged |
| 16:59.44 | stoned | -X was deprecated afaik |
| 16:59.47 | stoned | wasn't it |
| 16:59.57 | xingu | robin_sz: unacknowledged interrupt is pretty lethal. |
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| 17:00.01 | robin_sz | xingu, im assuming the driver writers are half competent |
| 17:00.13 | xingu | robin_sz: *snort* you wouldn't if you'd ever met one of that beardy lot |
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| 17:00.25 | blackelf | aptitude fails to work |
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| 17:00.33 | blackelf | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZN9pkgPolicyD2Ev |
| 17:00.34 | theos | how do i erase something in terminal |
| 17:00.35 | stoned | so what do I do to find out my pciid of my video card |
| 17:00.38 | robin_sz | xingu, oh, are they beardy weirdies? |
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| 17:00.41 | stoned | I can't do lspci -X |
| 17:00.42 | theos | i want to erase a folder |
| 17:00.47 | stoned | please advise |
| 17:00.49 | ice63 | ok |
| 17:00.50 | blackelf | stoned: perhaps.. oh, why not lspci? |
| 17:00.54 | PerfDave | stoned: Man lspci |
| 17:00.54 | ice63 | hehe |
| 17:00.56 | robin_sz | try lspci -x |
| 17:01.01 | blackelf | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZN9pkgPolicyD2Ev |
| 17:01.04 | blackelf | help |
| 17:01.07 | tralala | theos, rm -rf dirname. Be careful |
| 17:01.11 | stoned | oh |
| 17:01.12 | robin_sz | randomly capitalising options is not useful |
| 17:01.12 | stoned | wrong case |
| 17:01.15 | theos | thx |
| 17:01.16 | stoned | I'm a tool. |
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| 17:01.24 | stoned | hey whereya go |
| 17:01.27 | stoned | robin_sz: thanks |
| 17:01.30 | jelly-home | blackelf: sounds like you were mixing releases |
| 17:01.35 | robin_sz | np |
| 17:01.38 | theos | worked |
| 17:01.39 | blackelf | jelly-home: I was, and? |
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| 17:02.03 | infantaside | Hi all, i have a poweredge server which is running Debian, i want to download the dell utiliies. I have looked and they are no debian specific software/drivers. any ideas? |
| 17:02.05 | dexomsrc | I'm trying to boot from the daily built etch netinst CD, but it complains that "VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown-block(104,7)" "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" |
| 17:02.09 | dexomsrc | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unkown-block(104,7) |
| 17:02.11 | dexomsrc | !!!!!!!! |
| 17:02.14 | tralala | theos, be aware that this command could wipe out your entire system if mistakenly used |
| 17:02.16 | jelly-home | blackelf: and this can happen, obviously |
| 17:02.16 | xingu | robin_sz: often. :) just look at that cox fellow - he might be doing an mba, but he's still part troll |
| 17:02.17 | blackelf | dexomsrc: oh noes |
| 17:02.25 | blackelf | dexomsrc: fix the kernel |
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| 17:02.29 | dexomsrc | The RC1 etch netinst CD boots |
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| 17:02.37 | dexomsrc | But it fails at installation at 5% |
| 17:02.39 | blackelf | jelly-home: how to fix |
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| 17:02.48 | jelly-home | blackelf: use apt-get if you can |
| 17:02.55 | dexomsrc | blackelf: Fix the kernel? It's trying to use the kernel on the netinst CD though |
| 17:03.04 | dexomsrc | Does that mean the kernel on the ISO I have is bad? |
| 17:03.05 | blackelf | jelly-home: dont you think it sucks? |
| 17:03.17 | theos | i wont use it for anything else |
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| 17:03.24 | jelly-home | blackelf: what sucks? |
| 17:03.27 | theos | there was somethin i couldnt get rid of |
| 17:03.27 | blackelf | jelly-home: it would be better to have versioned libraries or whatever, so meany prorgams each needing other version of lib can work |
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| 17:03.36 | pipeline | infantaside: HP is the only vendor who explicitly supports debian. |
| 17:03.37 | blackelf | jelly-home: what exacly is causing this problem |
| 17:03.43 | karmatronic | ok |
| 17:03.45 | pipeline | infantaside: Dell is a Dead Cat vendor. |
| 17:03.47 | jelly-home | blackelf: do you want to fix it, or do you want to debug? |
| 17:03.58 | blackelf | jelly-home: I can debug |
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| 17:04.02 | pipeline | infantaside: tried using fakeroot and alien to mangle RPMs ? |
| 17:04.07 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: You need to not choose any tasks in tasksel, and just install packages with aptitude afterwards |
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| 17:04.23 | blackelf | jelly-home: btw I reported it as Bug#410524 |
| 17:04.31 | infantaside | pipeline: im newish to linux and completly new to debian |
| 17:04.32 | blackelf | !Bug#410524 |
| 17:04.33 | karmatronic | pipeline, alien is enough , dont need fakeroot |
| 17:04.37 | something_else | hiya.. I'm just installing my first ever linux system.. can anyone help me? I am at Master login: (my user name is master) and I can't log in to that.. anyway I can get past it? |
| 17:04.37 | blackelf | !bug 410524 |
| 17:04.37 | dpkg | bug 410524 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=410524 |
| 17:04.49 | karmatronic | !alien |
| 17:04.49 | dpkg | [alien] a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 17:05.04 | PerfDave | something_else: Which version of Debian are you installing? Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 17:05.15 | something_else | I already installed it.. |
| 17:05.23 | something_else | this is the first login after the install |
| 17:05.24 | pipeline | karmatronic: fakeroot is useful for alien. |
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| 17:05.29 | PerfDave | something_else: What did you install? |
| 17:05.36 | something_else | it's debian 31r4 amd64 |
| 17:05.36 | pipeline | infantaside: alien attempts to create deb packages from RPMs. fakeroot allows you to run alien as a non-root user. |
| 17:05.44 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: tasksel is the screen where it shows options like "Desktop Environments" "Web Server" and "Laptop" right? |
| 17:05.51 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Yes |
| 17:05.58 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: And is this for the problems I was having with the Etch RC1 installer? |
| 17:06.06 | robin_sz | xingu, yeah, I guess they are all in the same group I class as "followers of RMS" ... bearded sandal trolls with methane generators installed in their toilets and recycle their bathwater through reed-beds |
| 17:06.07 | dexomsrc | When it freezes at 5%? |
| 17:06.18 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Yes, I had the same issue myself today. |
| 17:06.21 | tralala | something_else, you were asked during the installation for username and password. Enter them and you will log in. |
| 17:06.24 | blackelf | jelly-home: so? |
| 17:06.26 | infantaside | pipeline: thanks il take a look |
| 17:06.29 | PerfDave | something_else: You need to type in the username and password you supplied in the installer |
| 17:06.35 | something_else | I was asked for 2 usernames |
| 17:06.38 | something_else | one root |
| 17:06.41 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: I'm not entirely sure which packages to get after I install though |
| 17:06.41 | something_else | and one username not root |
| 17:06.45 | dexomsrc | For a fully functioning system |
| 17:06.45 | theos | configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 17:06.45 | theos | ??? |
| 17:06.50 | something_else | but the master one is not working.. |
| 17:06.56 | jelly-home | blackelf: pardon me for assuming that "<blackelf> help" means that you want to fix it asap. try figuring out versions of its dependencies, and matching the versions to a single release (that is, etch only, or sid only) |
| 17:07.03 | something_else | I am absolutely sure of my username and password.. but they're not working.. |
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| 17:07.12 | PerfDave | something_else: You set up a root account, and a user account called "master"? |
| 17:07.19 | something_else | the non-root one is working |
| 17:07.20 | something_else | no.. |
| 17:07.21 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: Like, I know a lot, I'd know to get quite a large number of the correct packages but I'd worry that I'd forget a lot of important studd that d-i autoselects |
| 17:07.24 | tralala | something_else, you were asked for a root password and for a username/password for a regular user. Can you login as root? |
| 17:07.25 | something_else | the root account was called master |
| 17:07.33 | etchjster | any clue how to fix X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 17:07.40 | PerfDave | something_else: No, the root account is called root :) |
| 17:07.46 | something_else | oh.. |
| 17:07.49 | something_else | one sec then :D |
| 17:07.52 | something_else | newbie question |
| 17:08.02 | something_else | hehe,.. |
| 17:08.05 | something_else | works like a charm |
| 17:08.10 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: You don't *need* to install anything through tasksel to have a working system. |
| 17:08.13 | something_else | you guys recommend xfce? |
| 17:08.20 | tralala | something_else, now that we know your root password we can proceed to zombify your computer |
| 17:08.29 | something_else | zombify? |
| 17:08.30 | PerfDave | something_else: Different people will recommend different things. I'm a KDE fan myself :) |
| 17:08.39 | tralala | unless you change it quickly |
| 17:08.40 | theos | im triyn to install wine from terminal and its saying this error |
| 17:08.45 | jelly-home | blackelf: also, if you use reportbug it'll automatically add dependencies' versions to the bug report which can be very useful |
| 17:08.51 | theos | someone can help |
| 17:08.56 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: I tend to not install anything through tasksel, and just aptitude install kdebase xserver-xorg-core kdm |
| 17:08.58 | something_else | I can replace the desktop manager without reinstalling the whole thing. right? |
| 17:09.02 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: I'm aware, I'm just afraid that I won't know to get everything that I actually *want* installing manually |
| 17:09.04 | PerfDave | something_else: Yes |
| 17:09.26 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Well, when you figure out what it is you don't have, you can install it then using a package manager program like aptitude. |
| 17:09.30 | something_else | ok.. well... what is the recommended one for newbies like me? |
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| 17:09.56 | tralala | something_else, depending on who recommends it - kde or gnome |
| 17:10.03 | cahoot | depends on the system |
| 17:10.04 | karmatronic | i would recommend gnome |
| 17:10.07 | something_else | hehe.. what about xfce? |
| 17:10.08 | karmatronic | or xfce |
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| 17:10.12 | PerfDave | something_else: Like I say, different prople wil have different recommendations. I give KDE to newbiews and never have any complaints. |
| 17:10.15 | karmatronic | something_else, xfce is cool |
| 17:10.22 | etchjster | kde haters |
| 17:10.26 | jelly-home | theos: which debian release are you using? why don't you use wine from the distribution? |
| 17:10.27 | karmatronic | kde haters |
| 17:10.45 | something_else | kk guys... I write - apt-get install-xfce ? |
| 17:10.51 | something_else | what is the command line? |
| 17:10.53 | PerfDave | something_else: "aptitude install xfce" |
| 17:11.09 | something_else | cool |
| 17:11.20 | something_else | installed... now? |
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| 17:11.37 | PerfDave | something_else: You probably want to install XFree86 (you're using 3.1t4 right) |
| 17:11.43 | tralala | something_else, you might want a display manager - gdm |
| 17:11.44 | PerfDave | 3.1r4, sorry |
| 17:11.54 | black_13 | i am building a live cd (pretty much working) but i wanted to find out what binaries where actually being used is there any way to tell what files are being used during boot up and typical useage? |
| 17:12.09 | PerfDave | black_13: Morphix or something? |
| 17:12.17 | black_13 | debian-live |
| 17:12.18 | something_else | ok.. just to get my head around things.. I need to install an Xserver as well? |
| 17:12.26 | PerfDave | Debian has a live CD? |
| 17:12.45 | black_13 | yep created by script and its debian |
| 17:12.48 | something_else | ? |
| 17:12.52 | jelly-home | !livecd |
| 17:12.52 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 17:12.53 | tralala | something_else, xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:12.56 | PerfDave | something_else: Yes. The X server is the interface between software and your video hardware (and/or network). xfce / gnome / whatever runs on top of your X server. |
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| 17:13.15 | something_else | ok.. well I installed xfce.. how do I start it? |
| 17:13.21 | theos | sanity chek failed ?? someone can help |
| 17:13.43 | jelly-home | theos: why are you installing wine from source in the first place? |
| 17:14.01 | jelly-home | theos: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:14.02 | PerfDave | something_else: I think there's a script called "startxfce" but it won't work until you install xfree86 |
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| 17:14.09 | theos | apt-get can not |
| 17:14.10 | tralala | something_else, aptitude install xserver-xfree86 gdm |
| 17:14.39 | black_13 | PerfDave, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ |
| 17:14.41 | tralala | you will then be presented with a GUI login screen where you should always login as *ordinary* *user* |
| 17:14.45 | something_else | ok.. just because I want to learn also.. what the hell am I installing? |
| 17:14.46 | theos | dreamlinux |
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| 17:15.00 | theos | im a newb |
| 17:15.00 | jelly-home | theos: uh, that's not Debian. |
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| 17:15.23 | theos | debian based? |
| 17:15.24 | shining | hello |
| 17:15.28 | PerfDave | !based |
| 17:15.33 | PerfDave | !debian-based |
| 17:15.34 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 17:15.42 | PerfDave | theos: ^^^ |
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| 17:15.47 | tralala | something_else, you're installing the X Window System (GUI environment) and a GUI login manager (gdm) |
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| 17:16.02 | something_else | ok... well it asks me for the first cd... |
| 17:16.08 | theos | so wich room i need to get into |
| 17:16.19 | PerfDave | theos: #dreamlinux maybe? No idea. |
| 17:16.30 | war | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.53 | tralala | war, this sounds like a ##linux question |
| 17:17.13 | theos | i went no one answerd |
| 17:17.27 | something_else | do I want to use defoma and you prefer to edit pangox.aliases manually? |
| 17:17.31 | PerfDave | theos: Well, we can't help you I'm afraid. You're not running Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 17:17.34 | war | df usage changed |
| 17:17.35 | war | df -a |
| 17:17.36 | war | nvm |
| 17:17.39 | tralala | theos, this is why you should use debian - people around here do answer |
| 17:17.51 | theos | hahaha |
| 17:17.53 | etchjster | yes no |
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| 17:18.28 | something_else | do I want to entrust font management to defoma? |
| 17:18.31 | theos | but theres an error that says my /lib/cpp/ fails sanity chek |
| 17:18.36 | theos | u can help for this |
| 17:18.37 | tralala | something_else, just give the default answers |
| 17:18.46 | something_else | do I want to entrust it? |
| 17:18.57 | jelly-home | theos: sounds like your /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't have correct entries. However, these are different on different distributions, so you really need to find out where is the support for your distribution. Start with google. |
| 17:18.57 | something_else | what the hell is defoma? (sounds like a women's product) |
| 17:19.09 | tralala | DEbian FOnt MAnager |
| 17:19.13 | theos | thx |
| 17:19.17 | PerfDave | theos: We can't help you because you're not running Debian |
| 17:19.18 | something_else | entrust it to then ? |
| 17:19.23 | etchjster | yes |
| 17:19.38 | tralala | yes |
| 17:19.44 | etchjster | if you dont want to configure all your fonts by hand |
| 17:19.50 | something_else | hell no |
| 17:20.04 | theos | ok ok |
| 17:20.05 | etchjster | me either |
| 17:20.06 | something_else | Do I want the cdrecord binaries to be installed S?UID root? |
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| 17:20.29 | ribnitz | heyas.. |
| 17:20.45 | something_else | Do I want the cdrecord binaries to be installed SUID root? |
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| 17:20.58 | jelly-home | something_else: it used to be helpful in kernel 2.4 days, but not much any more... no, probably |
| 17:21.05 | abrotman | BRAINS ...... |
| 17:21.17 | jelly-home | something_else: also, DON'T repeat yourself |
| 17:21.31 | jelly-home | abrotman: she loves you for your brains? |
| 17:21.37 | something_else | sowwie.. |
| 17:21.39 | abrotman | not likely |
| 17:21.51 | jelly-home | 's ok |
| 17:21.57 | abrotman | s'ok |
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| 17:22.04 | something_else | choose sound daemon's dsp wrapper? |
| 17:22.25 | something_else | why does eveything has to have a complex initials to it? |
| 17:22.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: s'ok doesn't make much sense to me, 'cause it's "it'" that is omitted |
| 17:22.50 | rfrank | Hey guys, if I compiled the nvidia sata support into the kernel, and the ext3 fs support, is there any other reason the kernel would panic because it can't mount the root fs? |
| 17:22.54 | abrotman | s'alright :) |
| 17:23.02 | jindal | hey guys am getting errors of unknown gpg keys while trying to update apt for the first time.....am using etch.. |
| 17:23.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: it's slang .. which part is supposed to make sense ? |
| 17:23.12 | jelly-home | abrotman: any/all? |
| 17:23.19 | tralala | something_else, just give the default answers to everything - it can be changed later on if needed |
| 17:23.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: you'd have to sound it out :) .. might even take a native speaker from the states to make sense |
| 17:23.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: you US of Aans are strange |
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| 17:24.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: you're from texas! |
| 17:24.18 | jindal | any soln to the problem above? |
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| 17:25.04 | tralala | answer me immediatelly or I shall quit!!! |
| 17:25.21 | jelly-home | What use is the topic, mr. Jindal, if you cannot... read? |
| 17:25.31 | tralala | jelly-home, too late! |
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| 17:27.29 | abrotman | wtf did jindal go ? |
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| 17:27.50 | jelly-home | that a-way --> |
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| 17:28.37 | MarcoPau | I've been googling this but I didn't really find much of help... Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 17:28.49 | MarcoPau | the menu.lst, of course, seems to be fine (just same as the other kernel entry, that I'm actually running) |
| 17:29.01 | abrotman | you shouldn't have compiled your own kernel apparently |
| 17:29.10 | rfrank | whoa |
| 17:29.14 | rfrank | marcopau I had the same problem |
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| 17:29.14 | rfrank | :P |
| 17:29.16 | something_else | no wide screen support? |
| 17:29.18 | rfrank | Using sata? |
| 17:29.28 | lupine_85 | MarcoPau: did you forget to compile in support for your root fs? |
| 17:29.33 | rfrank | And I haven't solved it yet |
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| 17:29.47 | abrotman | something_else: yes |
| 17:29.49 | abrotman | there is |
| 17:29.50 | MarcoPau | nope, using eide ext3 and precooked kernel |
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| 17:30.07 | rfrank | huh |
| 17:30.12 | nitro4ce | i cant upgrade from unstable to experimental through apt-get. help plz. |
| 17:30.18 | tralala | MarcoPau, precooked? |
| 17:30.24 | MarcoPau | yea, precompiled :P |
| 17:30.31 | rfrank | haha |
| 17:30.34 | MarcoPau | :) |
| 17:30.36 | tralala | as in shipped by debian? |
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| 17:30.42 | MarcoPau | exactly |
| 17:30.47 | rfrank | I'm recompiling mine again now, because I kept having that problem |
| 17:30.54 | MarcoPau | I have two of them, one is running, the other one won't mount |
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| 17:30.58 | rfrank | this time compiling nvidia sata support into my kernel |
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| 17:31.05 | something_else | abrotman: I don't see it now.. |
| 17:31.10 | nitro4ce | i cant upgrade from unstable to experimental through apt-get. help plz. |
| 17:31.10 | something_else | I got a list.. |
| 17:31.11 | Solak | Hello. |
| 17:31.17 | tralala | MarcoPau, do you have a properly configured initrd image? |
| 17:31.40 | MarcoPau | tralala: that's what I doubt. but I don't know what to check. it was made when apt-getting |
| 17:31.57 | Solak | ok, I'm probably overlooking something: how can I mount existing partitions from the 3.1rc4 cd? |
| 17:32.03 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 17:32.08 | rfrank | MarcoPau: what are the versions of the kernel that works and the one that doesn't |
| 17:32.21 | something_else | abrotman: can I get some help here? please.. begging on knees |
| 17:32.21 | MarcoPau | 2.6.20 is working and 2.6.17 isn't |
| 17:32.29 | Daveman | :) |
| 17:32.36 | abrotman | something_else: help with widescreen ? |
| 17:32.36 | Solak | 'The hard disk file systems are mounten on "/target"' according to the text I see when execing the shell, but there's not target/ |
| 17:32.40 | something_else | yeah |
| 17:32.44 | tralala | MarcoPau, is that sid? |
| 17:32.48 | MarcoPau | which is strange cause I was running 2.6.17 a couple of weeks ago. then I deleted it but now I need it back |
| 17:32.51 | MarcoPau | tralala: yes |
| 17:32.55 | something_else | I got a list of resolutions here.. but none of them is 1680 x 1050 @ 60 |
| 17:32.57 | rfrank | yeah, my custom compiled 2.6.20 doesn't work, 2.6.8-12 precompiled does |
| 17:33.04 | dexomsrc | I'm trying to install etch from the RC1 netinst CD but installing GRUB to the MBR fails for some reason |
| 17:33.08 | dexomsrc | What do I do in this scnario? |
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| 17:33.29 | MarcoPau | tralala: can you say how to check the initrd image? I have no experience and knowledge at all |
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| 17:33.41 | sandro__ | hi |
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| 17:33.47 | sandro__ | I have a problem with freeradius-sql it works locally but not from the access point, take a look there http://pastebin.ca/350701 |
| 17:33.50 | abrotman | something_else: finish .. then type it in manually |
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| 17:33.56 | rfrank | ah! compilation finished |
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| 17:34.28 | something_else | so just choose one now.. and then change it later? |
| 17:34.41 | abrotman | sure! |
| 17:35.27 | karim_ | hi |
| 17:35.56 | karim_ | does anyone know how to tell metacity to run an application in fullscreen ? |
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| 17:36.14 | karim_ | I can define a shortcut in gnome but I would like it from command line |
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| 17:37.17 | etchjster | alt f10 |
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| 17:37.34 | karim_ | etchjster: not from keyshortcut |
| 17:37.45 | etchjster | o my bad |
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| 17:37.54 | dexomsrc | "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed" |
| 17:37.55 | dexomsrc | Grrr |
| 17:38.02 | jindal | hey guys how do import keys for etch (am using us mirror)? |
| 17:38.03 | something_else | ok guys.. it's all installed.. how do I start my xfce now? |
| 17:38.22 | dexomsrc | It doesn't give me any other errors |
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| 17:38.31 | something_else | startx ? |
| 17:38.34 | rfrank | nope |
| 17:38.41 | tralala | something_else, did you install gdm? |
| 17:38.46 | something_else | yeaj |
| 17:38.53 | rfrank | VFS: cannot open root device "SDA3" or unkown-block(0,0) |
| 17:39.04 | rfrank | Please appent a correct "root=" boot option |
| 17:39.05 | tralala | don't you have a GUI login screen now? |
| 17:39.18 | rfrank | Unable to mount root FS on unkown-block(0,0) |
| 17:39.22 | rfrank | :( |
| 17:39.23 | something_else | nope... I got Master:~# |
| 17:39.24 | MarcoPau | nice! just ls -l'd /boot and the initrd image is 0 bytes |
| 17:39.28 | MarcoPau | how do I build it? |
| 17:39.41 | tralala | something_else, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 17:39.56 | Cyis | bah... looks like I'm buying a new HDD this paycheck |
| 17:40.32 | Cyis | appears my current 300GB SATA drive is Tango Uniform |
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| 17:40.50 | rfrank | whatsa wrong |
| 17:40.51 | something_else | oh great!! |
| 17:40.54 | something_else | no screen found.. |
| 17:40.59 | something_else | that's the problem.. |
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| 17:41.12 | etchjster | lmao |
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| 17:41.28 | tralala | something_else, what's your video hw? |
| 17:41.35 | something_else | ati x800 |
| 17:41.46 | etchjster | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 17:42.04 | jindal | guys am getting gpg errors ........ http://jindal.pastebin.ca/350713 (am using etch just installed it) |
| 17:42.19 | rfrank | ..wtf |
| 17:42.26 | rfrank | no initrd |
| 17:42.32 | tralala | jindal, would you, please, read the topic? |
| 17:42.39 | something_else | it tells me to select a package.. |
| 17:42.41 | rfrank | haha |
| 17:42.54 | rfrank | jindal doesn't know that the problem is public key not available, how is he going to extract that from the topic |
| 17:43.05 | jindal | ooop sry guys |
| 17:43.06 | rfrank | jindal, PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key |
| 17:43.29 | rfrank | how do I create an initrd image? |
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| 17:43.46 | rfrank | for some reason all of the new kernels I built didn't have one in the menu.lst |
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| 17:44.25 | etchjster | dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-xserver |
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| 17:44.29 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: --initrd option to make-kpkg (but you would need to make sure sd_mod and nv_sata and libata are definately in it |
| 17:44.29 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 17:44.49 | something_else | etchjster: are you talking to me? |
| 17:44.56 | etchjster | sure |
| 17:44.57 | rfrank | ahh I remember that from the other kernels I built |
| 17:45.07 | rfrank | does that build a deb of just the initrd image or does it build the whole kernel? |
| 17:45.07 | ribnitz | anyone with an nvidia grfx card happily ruunning kernel 2.6.20, with graphics? |
| 17:45.28 | tralala | something_else, try editint /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and replace Driver "ati" with Driver "radeon" |
| 17:45.41 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: I have only ever used it (on etch / sid) along with kernel_image |
| 17:46.01 | something_else | it tells me that xfree86-xserver is not installed.. |
| 17:46.07 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: I think sarge uses yaird not initramfs-tools but I might be wrong |
| 17:46.11 | something_else | which is weird.. cause I just installed it |
| 17:46.17 | PerfDave | ribnitz: make-kpkg builds a .deb containing kernel image, config etc. You can generate a .deb which also contains an initrd |
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| 17:46.40 | jelly-home | PerfDave: you meant rfrank |
| 17:46.46 | rfrank | yeah :P |
| 17:47.01 | ribnitz | PerfDave: Thats not my prob. my prob is that nvidia kenel module for gfx driver does not work/compile with 2.6.20 |
| 17:47.20 | Cyis | anyone recommend a good SATA HDD? |
| 17:47.21 | h3sp4wn | ribnitz: using an mm kernel ? |
| 17:47.24 | PerfDave | Oops, yeah, tabcomplete death. |
| 17:47.33 | ribnitz | h3sp4wn: nope. the regular one. |
| 17:47.35 | something_else | anyone willing to help me in private? |
| 17:47.36 | PerfDave | ribnitz: It's non-free, I doubt the kernel devs will care :) |
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| 17:47.47 | h3sp4wn | ribnitz: on etch or sarge or sid ? |
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| 17:48.02 | Solak | hmm is there a way to mount hd partitions from within the debian 3.1rc4 netinst boot-cd? |
| 17:48.15 | ribnitz | h3sp4wn: sid+experimental; self-built kernel. afaik, the last prebuilt is 2.6.18. |
| 17:48.22 | hark | something_else: it's the other way around.. xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:48.43 | rfrank | Cyis: I just recently bought this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136017 and I'm using it right now |
| 17:48.48 | rfrank | Cyis: So far its working great |
| 17:48.49 | h3sp4wn | ribnitz: nvidia-glx from experimental works fine for 2.6.20 |
| 17:48.52 | ribnitz | PerfDave: They wont but the avg desktop user might like a gui. |
| 17:48.55 | something_else | thanks :D |
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| 17:49.03 | something_else | but now.. what do I reconfigure? |
| 17:49.07 | ribnitz | h3sp4wn: how did ya build that? |
| 17:49.10 | PerfDave | ribnitz: AVG is a Windows program, ins't it? |
| 17:49.16 | something_else | I thought I configuered it alright the first time.. |
| 17:49.30 | h3sp4wn | ribnitz: module assistant to build the kernel module then just installed it from experimentla |
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| 17:49.53 | Cyis | rfrank: Thanks... I've got a 7200.8 300GB Seagate drive now that's collapsed twice in the past 2 days now |
| 17:49.56 | PerfDave | something_else: Sorry, what problem are you having again? Please recap, I was AFK. |
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| 17:50.04 | ribnitz | h3sp4wn: my module assistant fails. (when building 97... in 2.6.20) |
| 17:50.09 | etchjster | choose expert and load your own frequencies of the monitor |
| 17:50.11 | Cyis | although I'm thinking it still may be under the 5yr warranty |
| 17:50.17 | hark | something_else: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 17:50.21 | Cyis | just have to find the receipt |
| 17:50.25 | something_else | after I installed xserver-xfree86 and xfce.. I tried to run it.. |
| 17:50.31 | something_else | but it said fatal error: no screen found |
| 17:50.48 | something_else | so.. now someone told me to reconfigure.. but I don't know what to reconfigure |
| 17:50.58 | ribnitz | something_else: thats a config problem. |
| 17:50.58 | PerfDave | something_else: Look in /var/log/Xfree86.0.log for the error, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:51.05 | x_link | If I write something in KEdit and save it on a floppy. |
| 17:51.17 | x_link | Can I open it on a Windows machine with Word? |
| 17:51.23 | something_else | I know what the error is.... |
| 17:51.27 | tralala | something_else, sarge has a problem with the ati driver - it doesn't load the radeon module sometimes. Try to specify it manually in the config file |
| 17:51.37 | something_else | how? |
| 17:52.01 | tralala | by replacing Driver "ati" with Driver "radeon" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 17:52.22 | PerfDave | tralala: You should do that with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 17:52.27 | PerfDave | something_else: What's the error you get? |
| 17:52.41 | tralala | PerfDave, it doesn't offer you to select radeon |
| 17:52.43 | something_else | fatal error: no screen found |
| 17:52.56 | hark | something_else: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
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| 17:53.01 | PerfDave | something_else: That's not the real error. Look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log for a line with "EE" in it |
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| 17:53.40 | rfrank | ahh! |
| 17:53.41 | h3sp4wn | ribnitz: I am not sure - I am using rc6-mm3 (just a tiny change needed prior to building the kernel module for that but rc6 without mm worked fine) |
| 17:53.42 | rfrank | check this out! |
| 17:53.45 | rfrank | 2.6.20-rf4 |
| 17:53.47 | rfrank | oh yeah |
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| 17:54.04 | dexomsrc | Why would the ETch RC1 installer fail at installing GRUB OR LILO?!? |
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| 17:54.41 | rfrank | dexomsrc, using more punctuation will often yield more answers |
| 17:54.55 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: What error message do you get? |
| 17:55.08 | something_else | ok guys... I am sorry for being a newbie.. but I am.. when you're saying look into.. |
| 17:55.14 | something_else | how am I supposed to look into it? |
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| 17:55.21 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 17:55.32 | PerfDave | something_else: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 17:55.36 | dexomsrc | "Unable to install GRUB in (hd0)" "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed" "This is a fatal error" |
| 17:55.45 | dexomsrc | Not very descriptive unfortunately PerfDave |
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| 17:56.08 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Yeah, I had that. You'll need to put it in by hand, using chroot and dpkg :) |
| 17:56.09 | something_else | -bash: less: command not found |
| 17:56.13 | abrotman | install it |
| 17:56.17 | Nazcafan | is there a way to know whether a chipset is supported by the linux kernel or not ? (appart of installing it ?) |
| 17:56.17 | hark | something_else: can't you just grep the damn thing like i said before? |
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| 17:56.26 | something_else | grep? |
| 17:56.30 | PerfDave | Nazcafan: Google often helps |
| 17:56.31 | dexomsrc | Trying to install to MBR, LILO fails with "Running "/sbin/lilo" failed with error code "1". |
| 17:56.44 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Are you still running d-i? |
| 17:56.45 | tralala | something_else, just type the command you were given |
| 17:56.46 | something_else | sorry. it is hard to follow all the leads with so many differnet conversations going off at once.. |
| 17:56.47 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: Aye, okay... how should I do that exactly? |
| 17:56.50 | dexomsrc | Yes |
| 17:56.58 | something_else | I typed in the commands... lots of them |
| 17:57.01 | Nazcafan | PerfDave: no documentation available with the official kernel appart of the .h and .c files ? |
| 17:57.02 | something_else | I get different errors |
| 17:57.02 | dexomsrc | Done everything up to installing GRUB |
| 17:57.04 | etchjster | more /home/foo/.xsession-errors |
| 17:57.21 | tralala | something_else, well share the errors you get (use pastebin) |
| 17:57.21 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: should I Ctrl+alt+F2 to a console? |
| 17:57.22 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Press Alt-F2 to get to a console, and type: find . -name 'grub*.deb' |
| 17:57.30 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: You should see two deb files, yes? |
| 17:57.34 | ribnitz | ok. modpost: GPL-incompatible module nvidia.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'paravirt_ops' |
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| 17:57.50 | ribnitz | is the exact error message the module-assistant build dies on. |
| 17:57.59 | Nazcafan | PerfDave: no online auto generated webpages ?? |
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| 17:58.16 | PerfDave | Nazcafan: If there are, Google will find them :) |
| 17:58.38 | something_else | EE: no devices dedected |
| 17:58.38 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: Yes there are two |
| 17:58.38 | PerfDave | something_else: Above that? What's the first line that starts with EE? |
| 17:58.46 | aidehua | I'm using rsync over ssh. ssh is outputting the remote machine's MOTD on stderr, which is causing cron to email me a lot. How can I quieten ssh? |
| 17:58.52 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: OK, one of them will be /target/media/cdrom0/something, yes? |
| 17:58.58 | dexomsrc | Yup |
| 17:59.08 | tralala | something_else, did you change the driver as I told you? |
| 17:59.10 | something_else | there are 3 lines.. one that explains what all the (xx) stands for.. |
| 17:59.24 | something_else | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 17:59.30 | something_else | (EE) no devices dedected |
| 17:59.41 | something_else | talala: how? |
| 17:59.43 | PerfDave | something_else: Is that the *first* line that says (EE)? |
| 17:59.47 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: dpkg -i /target/media/cdrom0/pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-18_i386.deb? |
| 17:59.56 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: No |
| 18:00.01 | dexomsrc | Or do I have to chroot something first? |
| 18:00.02 | something_else | no.. there is another line (EE) error |
| 18:00.17 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: OK, type "chroot /target" so you're working in the installed system |
| 18:00.17 | something_else | that's what it says... |
| 18:00.17 | abrotman | something_else: are your IRCing from the box ? |
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| 18:00.22 | something_else | no.. |
| 18:00.24 | something_else | hell no |
| 18:00.27 | something_else | from my laptop |
| 18:00.34 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Then dpkg -i /media/cdrom0/pool/main/g/grub/grub_0.97-18_i386.deb |
| 18:00.39 | abrotman | something_else: why not ? |
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| 18:00.59 | something_else | cause I wouldn't know the first thing about how to open an irc chat from there.. and I am using a wireless connection.. |
| 18:01.21 | something_else | if dedecting my graphics card is a problem.. I can't imagine what a hassle it will be to configure my wireless card |
| 18:01.24 | abrotman | apt-get install irssi-text .. irssi -c irc.freenode.net ... /j #debian |
| 18:01.26 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: Okay so now should I go back to d-i and ignore anything having to do with boot loaders and select finish the installation? |
| 18:01.39 | jelly-home | aidehua: do you have access to remote sshd configuration? you can put (or uncomment) "PrintMotd no" in there and reload sshd |
| 18:01.51 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: You should be able to say "proceed even though Grub installation failed", and it'll install grub into the boot sector for you. |
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| 18:02.17 | aidehua | jelly-home: I'd rather not do that as the MOTD does contain useful information. |
| 18:02.29 | rfrank | where can I get fglrx source? |
| 18:02.30 | abrotman | something_else: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 18:02.45 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: So which option in d-i: 1. "Install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk", 2. "Continue without boot loader", or 3. "Finish the installation"? |
| 18:02.51 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: 1 |
| 18:02.56 | jelly-home | aidehua: maybe for interactive shells it does |
| 18:02.56 | aidehua | It would suffice to just throw away the first 4 lines of STDERR I guess. |
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| 18:03.17 | something_else | how do I exit this irc software? |
| 18:03.28 | tralala | /quit |
| 18:03.30 | something_else | and abrotman: what are those commands? |
| 18:03.32 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: Wooooohoooo!! THANK you so much |
| 18:03.44 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: No worries, I have done two Etch installs today :) |
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| 18:04.05 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: So you have had the exact same issues... this is a problem with the Etch RC1 installer disc, no? |
| 18:04.06 | _Oscar__ | Looking here (http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/) I assume I need some sort of tool to get it onto my floppies. Where can I find that tool? |
| 18:04.19 | aidehua | jelly-home: Ah: it's the "Banner", not the MOTD that is being printed. |
| 18:04.20 | dexomsrc | I mean I've never had either of these issues before |
| 18:04.29 | jelly-home | aidehua: but really it shouldn't display motd for sessions that don't request a tty |
| 18:04.41 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: I don't think so, becuase I've installed Etch RC1 on other machines without this problem. I duno. |
| 18:04.58 | dexomsrc | PerfDave: What type of computer were your two installations on? |
| 18:05.08 | dexomsrc | I've got a Dell Inspiron E1505 laptop here |
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| 18:05.19 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: Both standard Athlon boxes, one desktop, one Shuttle. |
| 18:05.26 | etchjster | how to disable cups |
| 18:05.40 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: I'll file some installation reports later. |
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| 18:05.51 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: I've used the same install CD on my Thinkpad without issue though. |
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| 18:05.59 | something_else | how do I return to my master:~# line if all I got now is a blinking _ ? |
| 18:06.04 | itrebal | [/buffer close |
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| 18:06.11 | PerfDave | something_else: What did you do? |
| 18:06.23 | something_else | I typed grep VGA like someone here told me to.. |
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| 18:06.51 | tralala | something_else, you were supposed to type "lspci | grep VGA" |
| 18:06.57 | something_else | lol |
| 18:07.06 | something_else | ok.. so how do I exit this mode? |
| 18:07.09 | tralala | press ctrl-c |
| 18:07.10 | PerfDave | something_else: Ctrl-C |
| 18:07.14 | something_else | great |
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| 18:07.23 | PerfDave | something_else: The program "grep" is waiting for you to type into it, and you don't want to :) |
| 18:07.25 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, is there a simple package (not like mailx which needs exim4) to send email wih the shell (like the command mail) |
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| 18:07.35 | PerfDave | Fahrenheit: Like mail? |
| 18:07.42 | something_else | wrong syntax. |
| 18:07.55 | something_else | oops |
| 18:07.56 | PerfDave | Fahrenheit: mailx doesn't need exim4, it needs a MTA. You could use nullmailer. |
| 18:08.05 | Fahrenheit | mail isn't a stable package |
| 18:08.07 | PerfDave | Fahrenheit: Assuming that is that you only want to send mail remotely. |
| 18:08.11 | something_else | ok.. |
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| 18:08.49 | something_else | 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controlloer: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 554 |
| 18:08.53 | hark | something_else: you could try installing etch instead... |
| 18:08.54 | Eclipser | is there any nice alternative to network-manager? |
| 18:09.10 | PerfDave | Eclipser: In what way is network-manager not nice? |
| 18:09.17 | something_else | what is etch? |
| 18:09.22 | tralala | something_else, type update-pciids and then the last command again |
| 18:09.26 | PerfDave | something_else: Etch will be Debian 4.0 when it's released. |
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| 18:09.51 | something_else | download failed... |
| 18:09.53 | PerfDave | something_else: It's the current "testing" version of Debian - still a few bugs, no security support, but more up-to-date software. |
| 18:09.56 | something_else | I got a wireless connection.. |
| 18:10.01 | jetscreamer | it's something a jeweler does |
| 18:10.08 | Eclipser | PerfDave, I haven't exactly tested yet but I think the gnome/kde dock applets don't work very well with wmii |
| 18:10.13 | tralala | something_else, what's your wireless chipset? |
| 18:10.30 | PerfDave | Eclipser: What have gnome and kde to do with network-manager? |
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| 18:10.52 | something_else | if by chipset you mean maker and model: GIGABYTE GN-WPKG |
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| 18:11.03 | Eclipser | PerfDave, fast switching wlan :) |
| 18:11.14 | Eclipser | is there some console alternative or something? |
| 18:11.24 | PerfDave | Eclipser: network-manager is a daemon. |
| 18:11.28 | Eclipser | I know |
| 18:11.31 | PerfDave | Eclipser: It has nothing to do with Gnome or KDE. |
| 18:11.36 | Eclipser | I know that too |
| 18:11.38 | h3sp4wn | wpa_cli is all I ever use |
| 18:11.39 | tralala | something_else, anyway change the X driver manually |
| 18:11.46 | something_else | how? |
| 18:11.55 | Eclipser | PerfDave, there's gnome-network-manager though to control the daemon |
| 18:11.56 | tralala | I've told you twice till now |
| 18:12.02 | something_else | I can't seem to find it.. |
| 18:12.03 | something_else | soryr |
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| 18:12.05 | something_else | sorry* |
| 18:12.08 | something_else | too many screens.. |
| 18:12.26 | tralala | something_else, /lastlog /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 18:12.31 | PerfDave | something_else: If you want to use your wireless card, you'll ned to compile the driver. |
| 18:13.09 | dexomsrc | How do I tell apt-get to install the suggested and recommended packages as well? |
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| 18:13.17 | something_else | tralala: no such file or directory |
| 18:13.21 | PerfDave | dexomsrc: List them on the command-line. Or use aptitude. |
| 18:13.47 | hark | tralala: be ready to give a short tutorial on vi ;) |
| 18:13.51 | jetscreamer | dexomsrc: you want to be careful with that |
| 18:13.57 | tralala | PerfDave, try to reconfigure xfree and see if you can select radeon |
| 18:13.59 | hark | nano would be better.. |
| 18:14.08 | PerfDave | tralala: I don't have radeon installed :) |
| 18:14.11 | jetscreamer | dexomsrc: look into aptitude and --with-recommends et. al. |
| 18:14.26 | tralala | something_else, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and replace Driver "ati" with Driver "radeon" |
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| 18:14.56 | something_else | by edit you mean adjective or an actual command I need to write? |
| 18:14.59 | PerfDave | tralala: But we haven't ascertained what something_else's problem is |
| 18:15.03 | tralala | hark, :/ |
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| 18:15.14 | etchjster | please this poor guy |
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| 18:15.34 | jetscreamer | edit with nano |
| 18:15.38 | something_else | kk |
| 18:15.40 | etchjster | went from simple dpkg-reconfigure to vi on the first day |
| 18:15.50 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
| 18:16.01 | rfrank | nano > vi |
| 18:16.03 | rfrank | vi = suck |
| 18:16.10 | jetscreamer | whatever works |
| 18:16.12 | ice63 | lol |
| 18:16.15 | PerfDave | etchjster: Yes, I am unconvinced by he advice that tralala is offering |
| 18:16.19 | tralala | PerfDave, as a radeon user I have a pretty good idea how the ati driver doesn't work |
| 18:16.23 | ice63 | nano -w |
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| 18:16.48 | PerfDave | tralala: And you combine that with ESP? Fantastic. |
| 18:16.48 | something_else | change ati to radeon? |
| 18:16.48 | etchjster | mine worked fine |
| 18:16.51 | etchjster | 9800 pro |
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| 18:17.11 | tralala | ESP? |
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| 18:17.14 | something_else | what about "generic Video Card" ? change that to something else? |
| 18:17.21 | tralala | no |
| 18:17.31 | something_else | so. just ati 2 radeon |
| 18:17.33 | tralala | just save your changes and start gdm again |
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| 18:17.47 | something_else | save changes.. how? |
| 18:17.48 | tralala | /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 18:18.18 | something_else | how do I save the changes? |
| 18:18.21 | jetscreamer | in nano? ctrl+x |
| 18:18.36 | etchjster | in vi wq |
| 18:18.37 | jetscreamer | that's exit, but it will ask do you want to save |
| 18:18.51 | tralala | vi - ZZ |
| 18:19.03 | tralala | or :wq |
| 18:19.11 | something_else | dgm already running |
| 18:19.21 | fasta | Why is the Sun implementation of Java still not packaged for Debian? |
| 18:19.23 | tralala | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 18:19.36 | hark | fasta: it is. |
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| 18:19.50 | hark | fasta: you need non-free |
| 18:19.53 | fasta | hark: the instructions dpkg gives me says they are not |
| 18:19.55 | PerfDave | Because nobody in their right mind would use Java :) |
| 18:20.00 | something_else | Fatal server error: no Screens found |
| 18:20.11 | fasta | hark: It says I need to download something manually. |
| 18:20.11 | Tallu | PerfDave: now now! |
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| 18:20.26 | fasta | hark: that qualifies as not being packaged. |
| 18:20.31 | phogg | is sun jre GPL yet? |
| 18:20.36 | tralala | something_else, is this a laptop? |
| 18:20.38 | tralala | phogg, no |
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| 18:20.52 | fasta | PerfDave: what's wrong with Java and what is so great then? |
| 18:20.55 | something_else | I am talking to you from a laptop.. the debain is on my pc.. |
| 18:20.58 | bzed | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5350 << fasta |
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| 18:20.59 | lhz | where is hd-media/boot.img.gz located ? |
| 18:21.02 | PerfDave | fasta: It's Java, and anything else :) |
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| 18:21.13 | something_else | speaking of.. a sec.. got to get some electricity going on here.. battery is running out |
| 18:21.26 | hark | info sun-java6-bin sid |
| 18:21.31 | fasta | PerfDave: Doesn't sound like a very informed opinion. |
| 18:21.31 | hark | !info sun-java6-bin sid |
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| 18:21.33 | dpkg | sun-java6-bin: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture dependent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-00-2 (sid), Packaged size: 25604 kB, Installed size: 76680 kB |
| 18:21.43 | proog | what should i put in /etc/network/interfaces if i want a wireless card to use a wep password? |
| 18:21.45 | hark | !info sun-java6-bin etch |
| 18:21.46 | PerfDave | fasta: I benchmark and write Java for a living :) |
| 18:21.57 | something_else | back |
| 18:22.02 | etchjster | i want to benchmark for a living please |
| 18:22.04 | fasta | hark: ok, that's not what I get when I ask dpkg "java" or "install java" |
| 18:22.04 | etchjster | please |
| 18:22.07 | something_else | so... how do I solve this problem? |
| 18:22.16 | etchjster | dpkgf-=reconfigure |
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| 18:22.23 | PerfDave | proog: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 18:22.25 | etchjster | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:22.27 | hark | fasta: 6 won't be in etch, but 5 should be there |
| 18:22.28 | tralala | something_else, probably the easiest way is to try etch |
| 18:22.29 | PerfDave | proog: Or use network-manager |
| 18:22.32 | fasta | PerfDave: well, then you are very possesive about your unique knowledge. |
| 18:23.04 | martman | ive been trying to instell with a testing netinstall disk since yesterday. ive tried a few different mirrors and everytime it dies at 5% from "seclect and install packages" |
| 18:23.07 | martman | anyone know why? |
| 18:23.08 | something_else | tralala: well.. I had the same problem exactly with Xubuntu which I tried to install yesterday... |
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| 18:23.10 | PerfDave | fasta: I just don't like talking about Java because it's so shit. |
| 18:23.12 | something_else | couldn't solve it |
| 18:23.23 | something_else | ppl said "download debian" |
| 18:23.27 | PerfDave | martman: You need to not choose any packages to install in tasksel. |
| 18:23.32 | etchjster | ha debian was your second choice |
| 18:23.46 | fasta | PerfDave: And what do you mean by Java, the security model, the language, the VM? |
| 18:23.53 | PerfDave | fasta: Yes |
| 18:23.54 | martman | PerfDave i didnt touch package selection at all. left the standard system and desktop system checked |
| 18:24.03 | fasta | PerfDave: All of them?! |
| 18:24.04 | PerfDave | martman: You need to uncheck those. |
| 18:24.10 | martman | ok, thanks |
| 18:24.16 | etchjster | when you configure xfree86 did you have to specify monitor frequencies? |
| 18:24.17 | something_else | as you can see.... I am total newbie... ppl said "download xubuntu" did.. |
| 18:24.20 | something_else | didn;'t work.. |
| 18:24.32 | something_else | ppl said " download debian" |
| 18:24.34 | martman | is there anyway i can get back to the installer main screen? |
| 18:24.34 | fasta | PerfDave: ok, I only know about one VM that's faster, but that's nowhere near used as much. |
| 18:24.34 | PerfDave | something_else: I never did find out exactly what problem you were having in the first place. |
| 18:24.50 | something_else | PerfDave: how can I find that out? |
| 18:25.00 | etchjster | xserver error no display |
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| 18:25.07 | fasta | PerfDave: The VM doesn't really suck from a technical point of view at least. |
| 18:25.08 | hark | martman: probably install the base itself and then run tasksel later manually. |
| 18:25.10 | PerfDave | something_else: Look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 18:25.25 | fasta | PerfDave: not more than other software at least... |
| 18:25.26 | PerfDave | martman: Get back to the installer main screen from where? |
| 18:25.40 | martman | PerfDave "select and install software" |
| 18:25.44 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 18:25.44 | something_else | no such file or folder |
| 18:25.51 | PerfDave | martman: After it's hung? Not that I found. |
| 18:26.12 | dvs | something_else: /var/log/xorg.0.log ? |
| 18:26.15 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone of you know a Linux distro/debian mod that fits onto a diskette and has WGET/Cron/support for a ton of ethernet cards? |
| 18:26.17 | PerfDave | something_else: You don't have an XFree86 log? You were looking in it earlier for those EE lines. |
| 18:26.32 | something_else | yeah... |
| 18:26.37 | something_else | it's strange.. |
| 18:26.40 | PerfDave | something_else: So what did you do with it? |
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| 18:26.48 | something_else | I didn't do anything.. I swear.. |
| 18:27.06 | ice63 | hmm |
| 18:27.08 | something_else | do you want me to open the /var/log/XFree86.0.log with what? |
| 18:27.10 | crazy_penguin | good night! |
| 18:27.12 | PerfDave | something_else: I can only assume that tralala's advice has lead your system to break quite nastily. |
| 18:27.23 | PerfDave | something_else: less? |
| 18:27.37 | etchjster | try more /home/yourusername/.xsession-errors |
| 18:27.43 | hark | something_else: you can use nano for this as well |
| 18:27.44 | something_else | so.. I just type "less /var/log/XFree86.0.log" |
| 18:27.45 | something_else | ? |
| 18:27.49 | PerfDave | something_else: Yes |
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| 18:28.03 | PerfDave | That should allow you to see the file and scroll through it. |
| 18:28.04 | something_else | kk.. opened it with nano |
| 18:28.10 | hark | less is not installed by default. more is |
| 18:28.18 | something_else | what do you want me to look for? |
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| 18:28.22 | PerfDave | hark: something_else has installed less, I believe. |
| 18:28.28 | PerfDave | something_else: The *first* line that starts with (EE) |
| 18:28.40 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/blah |
| 18:29.30 | something_else | (EE) no devices dedected |
| 18:29.33 | something_else | first line |
| 18:30.07 | PerfDave | something_else: Gah, OK. Trouble is, you can't reconfigure your X server neatly because of the changes talala had you make. |
| 18:30.13 | something_else | there is a (WW) RADOEN: no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:5:0:1) found before that one.. |
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| 18:30.23 | something_else | you want me to reinstall? |
| 18:30.24 | PerfDave | something_else: RADOEN? |
| 18:30.27 | PerfDave | something_else: No |
| 18:30.31 | something_else | RADEON* |
| 18:30.36 | dvs | something_else: did you enter a Bus ID? |
| 18:30.37 | tralala | !xmd5 |
| 18:30.37 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:30.50 | rfrank | something_else, what kind of card do you have? |
| 18:30.53 | PerfDave | something_else: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 18:30.58 | PerfDave | something_else: /msg dpkg xmd5sum |
| 18:31.02 | rfrank | something_else, I was getting that same error with a card that isn't supported by the radeon driver |
| 18:31.10 | rfrank | are you sure it's supported? |
| 18:31.11 | something_else | ahh... so many questions.. |
| 18:31.13 | PerfDave | something_else: (both in your IRC program, not command prompt) |
| 18:31.22 | something_else | yeah.. got that Dave |
| 18:31.23 | etchjster | told you |
| 18:31.35 | etchjster | tell em dpkg |
| 18:31.40 | vlt|home | Hello. When I connect to my ISO-8859-15 Sarge from a UTF-8 shell via ssh there are some chars not displayed properly. What do IO have to do on the server (or on the client) to avoid this? |
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| 18:32.07 | EvilDin | how do i clear shell to clear the hash table |
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| 18:32.29 | jason0_ | Anyone know what package would provide fastcgi for lighttpd? |
| 18:32.44 | hark | something_else: see.. You're learning! |
| 18:32.56 | abrotman | !tell jason0_ about search |
| 18:33.02 | PerfDave | something_else: Keep poking at you X config, reading the log, and using "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" to try again. I've got to go now, but I hope you get it sorted. |
| 18:33.11 | something_else | ok.. it said it won't work... |
| 18:33.15 | something_else | but it does work.. |
| 18:33.23 | something_else | select my driver.. |
| 18:33.27 | PerfDave | something_else: What said what won't work? |
| 18:33.38 | something_else | the dpkg.. |
| 18:33.53 | something_else | said if I changed it myself it will no longer work.. |
| 18:33.59 | PerfDave | something_else: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 won't save your changes if your MD5sum is broken, but you know hot to fix that. |
| 18:33.59 | something_else | said I need to use md5 |
| 18:34.04 | tralala | something_else, if you don't do the md5sum thing the changes won't be saved |
| 18:34.12 | PerfDave | *gone* |
| 18:34.12 | something_else | holy.... |
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| 18:35.23 | black_13 | PerfDave, http://blog.daniel-baumann.ch/2006/02/14#20060214_debian-live-initiative |
| 18:35.43 | marinosi | hello is there any console tool for writing bootable cds?i want to write a linux image to a cd but i use wmii and i dont want to use k3b |
| 18:35.52 | hark | black_13: too late :) |
| 18:36.01 | ix | it won't even stard, I just get these weird artifacts |
| 18:36.08 | ix | s/stard/start/ |
| 18:36.18 | hotsauce | hi i need to mount a ufs scsi drive so i can move some data over to ext3 and convert the scsi disk to ext3, my mounting paramaters aren't working tho |
| 18:36.20 | ix | and a fresh install solves nothing. |
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| 18:36.39 | ix | hotsauce: do you have UFS support in the kernel? |
| 18:36.47 | xingu | something_else: satisfy my curiosity and paste lspci -n | grep 05:00.0 ? |
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| 18:37.15 | hotsauce | probably not this is a fresh build of sarge |
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| 18:37.24 | black_13 | hark he's gone already |
| 18:37.41 | Ubuh-Huntuh | I have a 7 GB gz file that I would like to put on a DVD. But when I use mkisofs I get this:mkisofs: Value too large for defined data type. Anyone know how to work around this? |
| 18:38.02 | ndee | hello there, I added my public key to the authorized_keys file of user A. I copied the authorized_keys file to the .ssh directory of User B and then try to login as user B and it doesn't work only with the key. Shouldn't that just work like that' |
| 18:39.02 | tralala | Ubuh-Huntuh, use growisofs |
| 18:39.23 | Ubuh-Huntuh | kk |
| 18:39.57 | subopt | I just installed Sarge, and found out that i really need Etch. Do i need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list before i do 'apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 18:39.59 | tralala | of course, you are using a dual layer dvd, aren't you? |
| 18:40.31 | xingu | is isofs largefile capable? |
| 18:40.35 | pngwn | subopt, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:40.41 | marinosi | hello is there any console tool for writing bootable cds?i want to write a linux image to a cd but i use wmii and i dont want to use k3b |
| 18:40.43 | marinosi | ? |
| 18:41.05 | something_else | ok guys.. I fixed the whole md5 thingie... |
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| 18:41.07 | subopt | pngwn: thanks |
| 18:41.14 | Reiser_X | i need to open a rar file |
| 18:41.17 | pngwn | np |
| 18:41.20 | dvs | something_else: and...? |
| 18:41.21 | Reiser_X | any app for linux? |
| 18:41.22 | something_else | now I am at the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 18:41.31 | something_else | anyone want to guide me through it? |
| 18:41.36 | tralala | something_else, now paste lspci -n | grep 05:00.0 |
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| 18:41.43 | dvs | something_else: what video card do you have? |
| 18:41.49 | hark | 0000:05:00.0 VGA compatible controlloer: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 554 |
| 18:41.54 | something_else | I can't paste anything.. I am at the reconfigure.. |
| 18:42.00 | hark | ^ he pasted that before.. |
| 18:42.02 | fasta | Reiser_X: unrar |
| 18:42.03 | something_else | I got ATI X800 pro 256mg |
| 18:42.04 | tralala | something_else, alt+f2 and login again |
| 18:42.11 | tralala | hark, this time it's -n |
| 18:42.11 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I want the vendor and device id |
| 18:42.22 | xingu | s/harddisk_wp/hark/i |
| 18:42.37 | dvs | something_else: just ask if you have any problems with any prompt |
| 18:42.50 | xingu | I'm thinking that for largefiles one might need mkudffs from udftools |
| 18:42.50 | Reiser_X | apt-get install unrar ? |
| 18:42.59 | Reiser_X | where is thar repository? |
| 18:43.05 | hark | ah |
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| 18:43.27 | something_else | to type in "paste lspci -n | grep 05:00.0 ? |
| 18:43.29 | something_else | " |
| 18:43.33 | something_else | without the ? |
| 18:43.34 | fasta | Reiser_X: apt-get dontonlyaskquestions |
| 18:43.37 | anirban | Hi |
| 18:43.49 | anirban | How can I prepare VCD in Debian Etch |
| 18:43.58 | etchjster | this isnt going to work |
| 18:44.05 | anirban | I know there is an application callede DeVeDe for it |
| 18:44.13 | anirban | but find no *.deb for it |
| 18:44.40 | hark | Reiser_X: there's unrar-free and in non-free there's unrar |
| 18:44.52 | Reiser_X | ok |
| 18:45.03 | Reiser_X | let me check in apt-get.org |
| 18:45.32 | anirban | I tried with apt-cache search |
| 18:45.39 | something_else | anyone is still following my problem? |
| 18:45.56 | tralala | something_else, yes |
| 18:46.01 | dvs | something_else: just tell us about any prompts you have trouble with |
| 18:46.03 | xingu | Ubuh-Huntuh: iso9660 uses a signed 32bit int for file size; per-file limit is <2GB |
| 18:46.05 | hark | something_else: still waiting for the output! |
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| 18:46.26 | something_else | the output of "paste lspci -n | grep 05:00.0" ? |
| 18:46.34 | tralala | xingu, according to wikipedia it is possible to have larger files |
| 18:46.42 | xingu | on udffs... |
| 18:46.47 | dvs | something_else: you don't include the "paste" part on the command line |
| 18:46.49 | tralala | on iso 9660 |
| 18:46.51 | Zaggynl | Anyone knows how to get WPA with rt2500 and Knetworkmanager to work? It sees the network and all, but the dropdown menu doesn't show WPA |
| 18:46.57 | tralala | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660 |
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| 18:47.21 | something_else | 0000:05:00.0 0300: 1002:554b |
| 18:48.05 | xingu | tralala: urk, that's just evil. |
| 18:48.21 | xingu | tralala: next question is does genisoimage support it |
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| 18:48.52 | something_else | hark: 0000:05:00.0 0300: 1002:554b |
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| 18:49.25 | tralala | xingu, well... |
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| 18:50.20 | xingu | tralala: that's a radeon x800 from the looks of things |
| 18:50.24 | hark | that's ati alright |
| 18:50.26 | xingu | tralala: if it matters |
| 18:50.36 | EvilDin | is it possible to recover deleted files |
| 18:51.00 | fasta | hark: How is the java6 binary called? java<<TAB> in Bash doesn't show it. |
| 18:51.06 | dvs | something_else: well, if hark isn't going to say anything, do the reconfigure. |
| 18:51.11 | tralala | xingu, yeah. I wonder if sarge supports it |
| 18:51.12 | xingu | x800se specifically |
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| 18:51.30 | xingu | tralala: is it likely he's going to need fgrlx? |
| 18:51.45 | tralala | xingu, I'd think so |
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| 18:52.01 | tralala | and fglrx with sarge is a world of pain |
| 18:52.18 | rfrank | 1002554bYesATI Technologies IncR423 UK [Radeon X800SE (PCIE)]radeonfb,XFree86,ati |
| 18:52.21 | Thms | when will be beryl + xgl on debian ? :p |
| 18:52.25 | ice63 | so install etch |
| 18:52.26 | rfrank | x800 is supported by radeon |
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| 18:52.30 | something_else | dbconf: dbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 18:52.32 | tralala | at least if you use amd64 sarge and you want to play torcs |
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| 18:53.05 | hark | fasta: it's 'java'. Depends on what you installed though. |
| 18:53.07 | xingu | rfrank: nice darts. |
| 18:53.07 | something_else | so you're saying to wait for the new debiant? |
| 18:53.34 | something_else | debian* |
| 18:53.34 | fasta | hark: I installed both version 5 and 6. |
| 18:53.34 | dvs | something_else: I'd install the etch RC1 personally |
| 18:53.34 | xingu | rfrank: now what version of radeonfb is that? is it sarge? |
| 18:53.34 | hark | fasta: sun-java#-jre/jdk is the metapackage |
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| 18:53.55 | fasta | hark: for other compilers its normal that I can have multiple installed at the same time. |
| 18:54.02 | fasta | it's* |
| 18:54.06 | hark | fasta: then run update-alternatives --config java to choose the desired version. |
| 18:54.14 | tralala | something_else, get back to the reconfigure screen and select the ati driver |
| 18:54.28 | tralala | then you'll need to paste the hole X log to rafb.net/paste |
| 18:54.31 | something_else | well.. it will have to wait till next month.. cause here in Australia.. be cause we got a monopoly on international datalines.. broadband costs do not depend on speed but on bandwidth.. usually per month and downlading this debian already took it all up |
| 18:54.33 | rfrank | xingu: dunno, I'm guessing. I just ran his data through http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 18:54.37 | something_else | tralala: I told you: |
| 18:54.41 | something_else | dbconf: dbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 18:54.41 | fasta | hark: ok, thanks, maybe I should read the Debian docs again. |
| 18:54.55 | hark | fasta: yes, you can have more than one version installed :) |
| 18:55.06 | tralala | something_else, alt+f` |
| 18:55.07 | tralala | f1 |
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| 18:55.16 | fasta | hark: It just wasn't in the PATH. |
| 18:55.25 | fasta | hark: but update-alternatives has a nice UI |
| 18:55.34 | something_else | same message |
| 18:55.41 | fasta | hark: cannot possibly be simpler :) |
| 18:55.54 | xingu | tralala: thinking laterally, is he going to need radeonfb fbcon driver first, before the x11 radeon driver stands a chance? |
| 18:56.11 | hark | fasta: yeah, it's pretty cool. man update-alternatives. take a look at /etc/alternatives/ or install galternatives |
| 18:56.22 | tralala | xingu, I don't think so. At least I don't |
| 18:56.30 | rfrank | anyone know if fglrx works with kernel 2.6.20 |
| 18:56.39 | something_else | how do I get the reconfigure back on? |
| 18:56.42 | abrotman | it should |
| 18:56.50 | abrotman | !tell something_else about xmd5 |
| 18:56.58 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: I don't think the versions in debian do |
| 18:57.05 | tralala | something_else, if you have followed the instructions you must have a reconfigure screen on console 1 |
| 18:57.11 | tralala | go there by pressing alt+f1 |
| 18:57.18 | something_else | kk |
| 18:57.20 | tralala | abrotman, he already did the md5 |
| 18:57.20 | etchjster | how do you turn off cups? |
| 18:57.21 | something_else | there |
| 18:57.26 | abrotman | tralala: do it again! |
| 18:57.29 | something_else | select the ati? |
| 18:57.32 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, 'cause I tried to compile it with module assistant and it spat out loads of errors |
| 18:57.33 | tralala | something_else, yes |
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| 18:57.42 | something_else | Generic Video Card? |
| 18:57.45 | something_else | press ok? |
| 18:57.49 | tralala | yes |
| 18:58.08 | something_else | please enter the video's card's bus identifer |
| 18:58.12 | something_else | which is? |
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| 18:58.14 | etchjster | enter |
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| 18:58.19 | dvs | something_else: <blank> |
| 18:58.20 | etchjster | leave blank |
| 18:58.31 | etchjster | please lets just get this done |
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| 18:58.42 | something_else | enter amount of memoey to be used? |
| 18:58.44 | something_else | 262144? |
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| 18:58.50 | etchjster | leave blank |
| 18:58.53 | fasta | Why is that question even being asked (about the bus identifier)? |
| 18:58.59 | hark | We still have the wireless card to go! |
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| 18:59.12 | ndee | to enable password-less login thru ssh: copy my public key to the authorized_keys file on the remote machine and then it should work, correct? |
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| 18:59.33 | something_else | Generic Monitolr? |
| 18:59.36 | something_else | monitor* |
| 18:59.45 | tralala | yes |
| 18:59.45 | etchjster | your monitor name |
| 18:59.55 | etchjster | erase generic |
| 19:00.01 | fasta | something_else: it's best to find the specs of your monitor, but you can do that later. |
| 19:00.22 | etchjster | o were are going to get his specs |
| 19:00.23 | tralala | something_else, TFT or CRT? |
| 19:00.23 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: It needs a patch for 2.6.20 (and I think the patch is against a version not in debian) |
| 19:00.23 | etchjster | bvecause we will |
| 19:00.29 | xingu | fasta: an x800se is going to be attached to something that supports edid I'd wager |
| 19:00.31 | something_else | LCD DELL WFP2007 |
| 19:00.37 | etchjster | great |
| 19:00.41 | xingu | there you go. :) |
| 19:00.45 | tralala | good, move on |
| 19:00.59 | something_else | how do I go back? |
| 19:01.04 | something_else | I made a mistake.. |
| 19:01.05 | etchjster | troubloe would be freaking out right now |
| 19:01.12 | tralala | something_else, what mistake? |
| 19:01.24 | hark | fasta: for multiple cards |
| 19:01.27 | something_else | I selected advanced.. |
| 19:01.31 | something_else | instead of medium.. |
| 19:01.32 | etchjster | thats ok |
| 19:01.38 | something_else | now it asks for something I can't give him.. |
| 19:01.42 | etchjster | ill get your monitor specs |
| 19:01.47 | tralala | something_else, it's ok. Do you know your monitor's native resolution? |
| 19:01.52 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: http://darcs.frugalware.org/repos/frugalware-current/source/x11-extra/fglrx/fglrx-2.6.20.patch (that requires the latest fglrx from ati (make sure you generate deb's and remove the debian one) |
| 19:01.55 | something_else | http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/2007wfp?c=au&cs=audhs1&l=en&s=dhs |
| 19:01.57 | xingu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.03 | hark | wait for it.. |
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| 19:02.40 | something_else | 1860 x 1050 @ 60 |
| 19:02.43 | something_else | sorry |
| 19:02.45 | something_else | 1680* |
| 19:02.47 | zapw | someone know how to convert man pages to html? |
| 19:03.03 | xingu | h3sp4wn: does dpkg know about that one yet? |
| 19:03.16 | graytron | zapw: man2html |
| 19:03.16 | tralala | zapw, they are already converted and you can find them online |
| 19:03.31 | n3kl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.33 | something_else | anyone cam tell me what to enter? |
| 19:03.45 | hark | something_else: wait, was X working before? |
| 19:03.48 | h3sp4wn | xingu: Not as far as I know but as 2.6.20 is not in debian should it ? (and it also needs an fglrx thats not in debian) |
| 19:03.50 | tralala | something_else, depends on the question |
| 19:03.52 | zapw | there is a man -H option to man , |
| 19:04.06 | zapw | but it returns cant find DESC file |
| 19:04.07 | xingu | h3sp4wn: fair do |
| 19:04.10 | something_else | Enter your monitor's horizontal sync range |
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| 19:05.08 | dvs | something_else: 30-81 |
| 19:05.09 | tralala | something_else, take it from the specs |
| 19:05.21 | n3kl | I just installed several nics on a machine and connected them to different networks. I am using this machine as a router, but for some reason when I try to connect to a machine that is on a differnt subnet, it will get there, but it takes a few seconds to route. Is there anything that I can do to speed this up? |
| 19:05.31 | something_else | vertical refresh rate? |
| 19:05.49 | dvs | something_else: 56-76 |
| 19:05.51 | hark | 56-76 |
| 19:06.09 | xingu | reading a web link to a spec sheet on a system with a text console and no networking is going to be tricky |
| 19:06.10 | something_else | select video mode |
| 19:06.12 | something_else | ? |
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| 19:06.44 | hark | pick the desired res |
| 19:06.47 | dvs | something_else: use space to select the native resolution of your monitory |
| 19:06.56 | dvs | something_else: clear all others. |
| 19:06.59 | tralala | xingu, given that he's ircing viewing web pages can't be too difficult |
| 19:07.08 | something_else | but the native resolution is not included.. |
| 19:07.19 | dvs | something_else: which is? |
| 19:07.31 | something_else | 1680 x 1050 |
| 19:07.50 | zapw | tralala: man cant convert them on the spot? |
| 19:08.14 | tralala | I don't know |
| 19:08.18 | dvs | something_else: try 1280x1024 |
| 19:08.41 | something_else | select modules.. |
| 19:08.45 | something_else | just leave it as is? |
| 19:08.53 | dvs | something_else: yes, leave them |
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| 19:09.11 | something_else | write default Files section to configuration file? |
| 19:09.26 | dvs | yes |
| 19:09.35 | something_else | write default DRI section? |
| 19:09.43 | dvs | yes |
| 19:09.47 | something_else | done.. |
| 19:09.52 | Thms | when will be beryl + xgl on debian ? :p |
| 19:09.58 | tralala | something_else, restart gdm |
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| 19:10.08 | something_else | what is that command again? |
| 19:10.18 | tralala | something_else, press ctrl+r and type gdm |
| 19:10.27 | MarcoPau | hey do I need to reboot after editing /etc/network/interfaces or I can give a command to update? |
| 19:10.31 | something_else | cool |
| 19:10.38 | etchjster | lmao |
| 19:10.38 | rahul | something_else: 1680x1050 is natively supported by x.org, btw |
| 19:10.44 | MarcoPau | I wanna change lan port for the router |
| 19:10.51 | rahul | I guess the debconf script doesn't have it in the list, tho |
| 19:11.01 | something_else | I cannot start the X server. would you like to view the X server output? |
| 19:11.05 | rahul | MarcoPau: just ifdown and up whatever interfaces changed |
| 19:11.07 | tralala | MarcoPau, ifdown <iface>; ifup <iface> |
| 19:11.17 | something_else | Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 19:11.21 | MarcoPau | oh that easy, great |
| 19:11.26 | MarcoPau | thanks rahul and tralala |
| 19:11.35 | tralala | something_else, now you need to post the entire X log to rafb.net/paste |
| 19:11.51 | something_else | I need to handtype it? |
| 19:11.53 | something_else | all of it? |
| 19:11.58 | rahul | something_else: yeah, that's caused by the screen config being thrown out because there's a problem with it |
| 19:12.04 | blackelf | which linuxes do support ACL? |
| 19:12.07 | rahul | something_else: look for lines starting with (EE) |
| 19:12.10 | tralala | that's an option, but I'd rather transfer it to the networked machine |
| 19:12.11 | blackelf | (what kernel, what distro) |
| 19:12.13 | blackelf | all of them? |
| 19:12.13 | rahul | blackelf: linus's |
| 19:12.17 | dvs | something_else: if you use pastebin.ca, you just have to specifiy the file |
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| 19:12.22 | etchjster | just pick different resolution |
| 19:12.30 | something_else | I like to use phpfi.com |
| 19:12.33 | something_else | it's fastest for me.. |
| 19:12.36 | xingu | tralala: can you get him to copy the x11 server config file too? |
| 19:12.39 | blackelf | rahul: vanilla kernel and debian have acl by default/ |
| 19:12.49 | etchjster | 800x600 |
| 19:12.55 | tralala | xingu, nice idear |
| 19:12.57 | xingu | tralala: if we're talking sneakernet and usb keys it'll be worth pre-empting that part. |
| 19:13.12 | rahul | blackelf: "default"? use an FS that supports acls and a kernel compiled with ACL support |
| 19:13.41 | blackelf | rahul: stock debian kernel suppoprt acl? |
| 19:13.45 | xingu | something_else: yes we actually do want the file verbatim, it is best if you copy it to the machine we're assuming you're irc'ing from |
| 19:13.46 | something_else | ok.. so wtf do I do now? |
| 19:13.46 | tralala | something_else, so can you copy files from the pc to your laptop? |
| 19:13.59 | something_else | how do I copy it? |
| 19:14.02 | something_else | usb key? |
| 19:14.02 | rahul | blackelf: I don't use stock kernels other than for launching the installer |
| 19:14.21 | blackelf | anyone know if debian stock kernel support acl? |
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| 19:14.26 | rahul | blackelf: check the config file that the package puts in /boot |
| 19:14.31 | tralala | something_else, or a floppy |
| 19:14.36 | something_else | no floppy.. |
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| 19:14.51 | tralala | usb key then |
| 19:14.54 | something_else | I can try and find a usb key.. but it's 05:14 am.. I wouldn't bet on it.. |
| 19:14.56 | something_else | brb |
| 19:14.57 | bzed | blackelf: have you installed one? grep fort ACL in /boot/config-kernelversion |
| 19:15.18 | xingu | something_else: ipod? ;) |
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| 19:15.58 | Adrian_dlcspm | When I do `apt-get install hal hal-device-manager`, it says that about 60 or 70 new packages will be installed, and under "The following packages will be REMOVED" I find unrelated packages like openoffice, python2.3, etc. Why might this be? |
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| 19:16.35 | something_else | the only thing I could find is an mp3 player. |
| 19:16.40 | fasta | Uh, how to remove a file starting with '-'? I tried rm "-<name>" and rm "\-<name> |
| 19:16.40 | something_else | will that be any good? |
| 19:16.43 | tralala | yes |
| 19:16.51 | something_else | kk.. let met get it../ |
| 19:16.55 | tralala | fasta, rm -- -file |
| 19:17.10 | Thms | how can I have john the password cracking tool on debian etch ? |
| 19:17.11 | fasta | tralala: does that also work for other GNU programs? |
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| 19:17.31 | tralala | fasta, yes |
| 19:17.35 | fasta | tralala: ok, thanks |
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| 19:18.12 | JosS | http://meneame.net/story/bluetooth-hacking-seguridad-telefonos-moviles |||| dale donde dice MENEAME!!! |
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| 19:18.32 | tralala | something_else, do you have sata or ide disk? |
| 19:18.36 | xingu | Adrian_dlcspm: one of the two must depend on something which in turn conflicts with those packages |
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| 19:19.12 | xingu | Adrian_dlcspm: maybe you need to apt-get upgrade? or maybe you are mixing repositories? |
| 19:19.19 | something_else | connectged the mp3 player |
| 19:19.29 | RvGaTe | Is there a way to connect to a ventrilo server... with some open source software ? |
| 19:19.33 | anirban | How to create VCD under Debian |
| 19:19.37 | etchjster | totem sound sucks |
| 19:19.48 | Justin | something_else: doesn't this computer have a network connection? |
| 19:19.48 | something_else | some screen popped up |
| 19:20.01 | something_else | wireless... |
| 19:20.08 | ice63 | mplayer is better |
| 19:20.24 | something_else | how do I trasnfer files to it? |
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| 19:20.42 | tralala | something_else, do you have sata or ide disk? |
| 19:20.48 | Adrian_dlcspm | xingu : hrm, I'll upgrade to make sure. I've just upgraded, and it asked me to confirm for quite a few packages that I wanted to keep them (openoffice, apacke2, unzip, etc). I said yes to each. Then it exited. I ran apt-get upgrade again, and this time it seems to be working. |
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| 19:21.06 | something_else | ide I think |
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| 19:21.20 | something_else | which ones are the wide arse ones with lots of pins? |
| 19:21.38 | blackelf | stock debian have ACL (kernel+user program)? |
| 19:21.45 | etchjster | been using amrok |
| 19:21.49 | dvs | something_else: IDE |
| 19:21.53 | etchjster | amarok |
| 19:21.55 | something_else | yup |
| 19:22.05 | something_else | thought I remembered something like that... |
| 19:22.10 | xingu | blackelf: sid seems to |
| 19:22.11 | tralala | did you plug in the stick to the debian pc? |
| 19:22.16 | blackelf | xingu: sid is which one |
| 19:22.18 | something_else | yeah |
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| 19:22.24 | something_else | it popped up a screen |
| 19:22.34 | etchjster | my sound in gnome is just bad |
| 19:22.38 | etchjster | kde ok |
| 19:22.41 | xingu | blackelf: grep FS_POSIX_ACL /boot/config-`uname -r` as rahul said earlier. |
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| 19:22.45 | etchjster | gnome not so good |
| 19:23.13 | etchjster | so i use gnome ans listen to shity sound |
| 19:23.23 | something_else | tralala: how do I transfer files unto the mp3 player? |
| 19:23.39 | blackelf | xingu: I wanted to check without actually installing it |
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| 19:23.47 | tralala | something_else, what screen? |
| 19:24.12 | something_else | just popped up a screen saying it identifies my mp3 player |
| 19:24.33 | Thms | !simple sid backport |
| 19:24.34 | dpkg | it has been said that simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 19:24.44 | tralala | in the console? |
| 19:24.53 | xingu | tralala: possible he's talking about kernel message written over console |
| 19:24.55 | Justin | something_else: by "popped up a screen" do you mean to say "output a few lines of text"? |
| 19:25.02 | Thms | is it bad to do a backport for the john package ? |
| 19:25.03 | something_else | what xingu said |
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| 19:25.07 | Thms | !simple sarge backport |
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| 19:25.17 | something_else | it was an overlayer screen |
| 19:25.19 | tralala | something_else, okay type this: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 19:25.22 | something_else | I call it a popup |
| 19:25.40 | something_else | typed it... |
| 19:25.44 | tralala | result? |
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| 19:25.51 | something_else | nothing I can see |
| 19:25.59 | tralala | something_else, ls /mnt |
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| 19:26.22 | Adrian_dlcspm | If I use apt to grab sources, can I install later versions of software than exists in stable? |
| 19:26.23 | Justin | tralala: guessing the name of the partition is stupid |
| 19:26.27 | something_else | bookmark.001 bookmark.003 Music by Recordings |
| 19:26.41 | tralala | Justin, eh? |
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| 19:27.05 | tralala | something_else, cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /var/log/XFree86.0.log /mnt |
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| 19:27.46 | something_else | kk... |
| 19:27.56 | something_else | doesn't say anything.. |
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| 19:28.02 | dvs | good |
| 19:28.06 | something_else | but I thought I saw something on the mp3 player's screen.. |
| 19:28.09 | something_else | not sure though |
| 19:28.33 | dvs | something_else: umount /mnt |
| 19:28.55 | etchjster | this is some matrix shit |
| 19:28.56 | something_else | nothing |
| 19:29.10 | something_else | I mean.. it just doens't say anything |
| 19:29.13 | dvs | something_else: that's good. The files are now on the mp3 player |
| 19:29.27 | something_else | so I can just disconnect it? |
| 19:29.30 | dvs | yes |
| 19:29.58 | tralala | something_else, now post the files to a site of your choice and share the url |
| 19:29.59 | anirban | How to get mencoder in Etch |
| 19:30.04 | anirban | I got mplayer |
| 19:30.11 | anirban | but not getting the mencoder |
| 19:30.14 | tralala | anirban, from debian-multimedia.org |
| 19:30.18 | hark | anirban: /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 19:30.22 | tralala | it's unofficial |
| 19:30.32 | hark | !paster something_else |
| 19:30.32 | dpkg | something_else: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 19:31.15 | something_else | hark: I am a php developer and I've been scripting in IRC before you were born.. do you think I would paste it into the channel? |
| 19:31.16 | something_else | :D |
| 19:31.40 | ice63 | anirban: msg dpkg mplayer |
| 19:32.14 | etchjster | now a little fight over overall intelligence |
| 19:32.21 | Justin | something_else: IRC was invented in the 1980s |
| 19:32.40 | dvs | Justin: without an internet!?!? ;-) |
| 19:33.04 | something_else | well.. maybe I'm young.. |
| 19:33.04 | rahul | a php developer. hah. |
| 19:33.29 | something_else | yeah.. that is the main reason I'm installing linux in the first place.. |
| 19:33.30 | something_else | LAMP |
| 19:33.34 | something_else | my WAMP sucks.. |
| 19:33.37 | etchjster | ive been a windows user for awhiole and i have a display in debian |
| 19:33.43 | rahul | I would expect a php developer to paste into a channel |
| 19:33.43 | dvs | LAPP is better! |
| 19:33.53 | etchjster | may i say all by myself |
| 19:34.03 | rahul | !win etchjster |
| 19:34.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, etchjster! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:34.10 | etchjster | ty |
| 19:34.16 | rahul | heh |
| 19:34.25 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 19:34.28 | dvs | $10! |
| 19:34.57 | tralala | something_else, php is not exactly a thrilling thing |
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| 19:35.45 | something_else | http://phpfi.com/202692 |
| 19:35.52 | something_else | http://phpfi.com/202693 |
| 19:35.55 | p3rti | hi.. i'm using apache.. but by default i can explore the site.. if there isn't a index.php how can i change that? |
| 19:35.58 | abrotman | dvs: it definitely is :) |
| 19:36.09 | abrotman | something_else: how long have you been doing PHP ? :) |
| 19:36.11 | Justin | p3rti: turn off the indexes option |
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| 19:36.15 | dvs | heh |
| 19:36.21 | something_else | php is not an exciting thing at all.. |
| 19:36.23 | p3rti | Justin, in apache2.conf? |
| 19:36.38 | Justin | p3rti: no |
| 19:36.43 | something_else | but I got my new laptop on the way.. with vista.. I thought to convert this box to a linux box.. |
| 19:36.49 | etchjster | just get your display to show xfce before tomorrow |
| 19:36.49 | p3rti | Justin, where.. because it's a lot of sites.. |
| 19:36.49 | Justin | p3rti: read up on options in the apache docs |
| 19:36.51 | tralala | something_else, if you do it for a living though, you're forgiven |
| 19:36.55 | p3rti | ok |
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| 19:36.58 | something_else | instead of selling it for peanuts on ebat |
| 19:37.01 | something_else | ebay* |
| 19:37.08 | something_else | I do it out of neccessity.. |
| 19:37.10 | rpc | p3rti set the right permissions for / |
| 19:37.15 | etchjster | i want to see it work |
| 19:37.15 | something_else | I do earn money for some of the projects.. |
| 19:37.25 | something_else | I do it for my own shop most of the time |
| 19:37.29 | etchjster | wasting time |
| 19:37.35 | dvs | something_else: where's the log (XFree86.0.log)? |
| 19:38.02 | something_else | http://phpfi.com/202693 |
| 19:38.05 | something_else | that's the log |
| 19:38.32 | something_else | http://phpfi.com/202692 - is another file that is on the player.. |
| 19:38.53 | rpc | how do you stream an avi over network with debian? |
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| 19:39.04 | p3rti | rpc, thanks.. i have also problems with the charset.. some latin char it's with ? symbol |
| 19:39.04 | rpc | i would like to check around a file without downloading it |
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| 19:39.14 | dvs | something_else: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" again but choose the radeon driver. |
| 19:39.24 | dot1q | rpc i usually mount smb shares, they stream ok that way |
| 19:39.36 | rpc | p3rti that you can solve with the right charset setting in the page code |
| 19:39.49 | something_else | there was no radeon driver when I last checked.. |
| 19:39.53 | tralala | dvs, there ain't no radeon selection there |
| 19:39.55 | rpc | dot1q mhm |
| 19:40.04 | dvs | something_else: then use vesa |
| 19:40.14 | rpc | dot1q wouldn't there be an easier way? kind of transmitter like shoutcast or something like that |
| 19:40.18 | dvs | it looks like XFree86 thinks the card is a Mach64 |
| 19:40.21 | Justin | something_else: install the fglrx drivers from ati |
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| 19:40.26 | tralala | that's why I made him edit the config manually earlier on - it didn't help |
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| 19:40.36 | dot1q | rpc: vlc media streaming server? |
| 19:40.37 | rpc | dot1q so it would go like ./stream this.avi |
| 19:40.57 | rpc | dot1q oh hm in fact vlc is what i want to use on this end to watch the stream, not sure about the server part |
| 19:41.13 | Justin | rpc: just install a web server and stick the avi files in the www dir |
| 19:41.22 | rpc | Justin hmm |
| 19:41.30 | Justin | rpc: vlc http://foo/movie.avi |
| 19:41.33 | rpc | Justin and can i connect to that with vlc and stream it? |
| 19:41.39 | rpc | i mean watch the stream |
| 19:41.49 | dot1q | rpc: vlc can work as a server. you just give it a playlist and where you want to stream it to (tcp, udp whatever) . use the client and point it to the ip. |
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| 19:42.06 | rpc | dot1q that sounds just great in my ears :) |
| 19:42.10 | something_else | any ideas now that you've seen the files? |
| 19:42.16 | Justin | something_else: install the fglrx drivers from ati |
| 19:42.25 | dvs | something_else: you already got my idea |
| 19:42.28 | rpc | dot1q and how about Justin's solution with apache? |
| 19:42.34 | dot1q | justin: i tried that with HFS on the media box, and tried to watch it using http://movie.avi in vlc. didn't work :( |
| 19:42.44 | something_else | Justin: easier said than done.. where do I get that from? |
| 19:42.57 | dot1q | rpc: haven't done it with apache. but it might work. hfs is kind of limited. |
| 19:43.01 | rahul | something_else: the radeon driver is automatically used by the generic ati driver when it finds a radeon card |
| 19:43.03 | dot1q | rpc: try it and let us know. |
| 19:43.11 | rpc | dot1q anyway i take it that vlc streaming allows to run it "headless" so it doesn't send to the local screen and just creates a stream over tcp network, right? |
| 19:43.20 | dvs | rahul: they're saying that there is no radeon driver. |
| 19:43.23 | dot1q | rpc: correct. |
| 19:43.33 | Justin | something_else: or try reinstalling with etch, that may work a whole lot better from the start |
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| 19:43.42 | rpc | that's just sweet... besides the fact that i can't stream in pure console with vlc |
| 19:43.55 | something_else | well.. for etch.. I have to wait for next month.. |
| 19:43.59 | Justin | rpc: sure you can |
| 19:44.04 | rpc | Justin oh? |
| 19:44.09 | something_else | so.. I'll see you guys next month.. I guess |
| 19:44.09 | etchjster | why does it say generic video cadr? |
| 19:44.15 | etchjster | card |
| 19:44.17 | something_else | I can't believe there is no solution for this |
| 19:44.18 | dvs | something_else: select "vesa" instead of ati driver |
| 19:44.19 | rpc | Justin i was sure that vlc requires X-system installed |
| 19:44.19 | Justin | rpc: but you would probably be much better off just using a http server to stream files, it's much simpler |
| 19:44.28 | rpc | Justin i will test it right now |
| 19:44.28 | tralala | something_else, you can use the vesa driver as dvs said or try fglrx. The former will give you poor performance while the later will make you wish you hadn't been born |
| 19:44.44 | Justin | something_else: wtf do you mean by "no solution" |
| 19:44.44 | hark | the ati driver seems to detect it as a mach64. radeon or fglrx i would say |
| 19:44.50 | something_else | I tried to use vesa on xubunutu |
| 19:44.53 | something_else | didn't work |
| 19:44.54 | Justin | something_else: install the drivers from ati, or install etch |
| 19:45.00 | rpc | a typical avi is ~1000kbit right? so not more than 1mbit upstream needed |
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| 19:45.29 | tralala | something_else, sarge is from May 2005. You can imagine that the latest hardware is not supported. |
| 19:45.44 | dvs | something_else: why didn't vesa work? |
| 19:45.55 | something_else | that was on xubuntu.. |
| 19:45.58 | Justin | it looks like both xorg 7 and fglrx support the X800SE |
| 19:45.59 | something_else | I'm trying it now |
| 19:46.00 | etchjster | lspci says what? |
| 19:46.02 | tralala | you might try etch with is testing and could still be rough around the edges |
| 19:46.21 | sh4rm4 | why don't I get apache2.0.59 if I do apt-get update and upgrade ? |
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| 19:46.45 | sh4rm4 | just old 2.0.54 |
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| 19:47.36 | xingu | more importantly, from the log, the x800se is not on the list of supported cards; so /a/ change is necessary. |
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| 19:47.57 | Justin | xingu: yes, exactly what I said before |
| 19:47.58 | etchjster | all that time for that |
| 19:48.06 | something_else | kk.. I changed the drivers to vesa.. |
| 19:48.12 | pro | is there a way i can split my interfaces file? eg. i want an interfaces.d/ and each one in its own file? |
| 19:48.15 | etchjster | i really would rather be shot |
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| 19:48.29 | something_else | but now the gdm won't start.. it says no such file or directory |
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| 19:48.36 | Justin | something_else: it? |
| 19:48.39 | xingu | now the question is what's the least pain; I'd concur with the assessment to use etch/testing - and this is because the next part of this saga will be to get the wlan working. |
| 19:48.51 | dvs | something_else: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 19:48.54 | hark | you won't get the desired res with VESA. Install etch.. |
| 19:48.54 | enouf | amphi: if you cat /var/run/utmp does it output funky characters? |
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| 19:49.00 | UstasW | hi |
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| 19:49.15 | something_else | ok.. I'll install etch.. |
| 19:49.21 | something_else | but it's gonna have to be next month.. |
| 19:49.23 | xingu | the other factor is that this is a new install anyway |
| 19:49.34 | xingu | something_else: are you bandwidth constrained or something? |
| 19:49.43 | etchjster | cant we get a running instalation of sarge first |
| 19:49.47 | dvs | something_else: why not try vesa now? At least you'll have something until etch |
| 19:49.48 | etchjster | i mean comon |
| 19:49.50 | hark | and it is basically a desktop |
| 19:49.50 | something_else | yes.. Australia is controlled by a monopoly on the international datalines.. |
| 19:49.53 | UstasW | no |
| 19:49.57 | something_else | so.. I already capped my account.. |
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| 19:50.03 | something_else | reduced to dialup speed |
| 19:50.10 | Justin | there are debian mirrors in .au ... |
| 19:50.34 | something_else | yeah.. but the transfer is still going through the 1 company.. |
| 19:50.34 | xingu | etchjster: fgrlx and sarge is the graphics equivalent of a condom lubricated with #2 cutting compound by the sounds |
| 19:50.39 | something_else | 15gb per month.. |
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| 19:50.47 | something_else | spent it all on linux installations.. |
| 19:50.57 | something_else | how do I uninstall this one? |
| 19:51.00 | etchjster | he should at least get xfree running befor switching to xorg |
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| 19:51.10 | pro | something_else, you on iburst? |
| 19:51.11 | something_else | next month I'll try etch |
| 19:51.12 | dvs | exactly! |
| 19:51.13 | tralala | something_else, do you run amd64? |
| 19:51.18 | something_else | yeah |
| 19:51.20 | something_else | amd64 |
| 19:51.25 | hark | something_else: shouldn't be hard for a php dev ;) |
| 19:51.30 | tralala | something_else, show me cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:51.38 | x_link | How can I save a file on floppy ? |
| 19:51.42 | x_link | Do I have to mount it first or what? |
| 19:51.50 | pro | x_link, yip |
| 19:51.52 | etchjster | nope |
| 19:52.03 | pro | x_link, and then hope it works |
| 19:52.03 | something_else | tralala: what do you want to know? |
| 19:52.11 | x_link | pro: How do I mount it? |
| 19:52.12 | tralala | something_else, I meant cat /proc/version |
| 19:52.17 | x_link | mount /media/floppy ? |
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| 19:52.36 | pro | mount /dev/fd0 /media/floppy |
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| 19:53.06 | dvs | something_else: you're not even going to start up gdm? |
| 19:53.17 | Canc | hi, for some reason when i hit "Delete" the delete file isn't displayed anymore neither the file is deleted (seems deb just ignore that key) , there's a fix ? |
| 19:53.18 | pro | oh well, |
| 19:53.19 | etchjster | reboot |
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| 19:53.30 | sh4rm4 | do I need a special package repository to get the newest apache (2.0.59) with apt-get ? |
| 19:53.39 | something_else | Linux version 2.6.8-12-em64t-p4-smp (buildd@bester) (gcc version 3.4.4 20050314 (prerelease) (Debian 3.4.3-12sarge1)) #1 SMP |
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| 19:55.45 | etchjster | i like my bartons |
| 19:55.47 | tralala | something_else, I have home made .deb packages for fglrx. I can put them online for you to download if you want |
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| 19:56.01 | something_else | what will they do? |
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| 19:57.42 | etchjster | nothing real .deb packages wont |
| 19:57.43 | Eclipser | how do I change gtk2 theme ? :) |
| 19:57.43 | etchjster | im gonna go see jesus |
| 19:57.43 | dvs | ??? |
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| 19:57.48 | tralala | something_else, they will provide you with the ati propriatiry fglrx driver 8.28.8-1 |
| 19:58.02 | something_else | lol.. which will make the bloody thing work |
| 19:58.03 | something_else | ? |
| 19:58.06 | hark | Eclipser: how'd you get the e100 module then? |
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| 19:58.27 | Eclipser | hark, I borrowed pcmcia card from a friend |
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| 19:58.32 | tralala | something_else, I'd hope so |
| 19:58.41 | hark | ah, nice |
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| 19:58.54 | pumpkin0 | something_else: i just joined: which card ? |
| 19:58.59 | something_else | how much do they weigh? |
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| 19:59.03 | tralala | something_else, actually yes - X800SE is supported |
| 19:59.41 | something_else | give it to me then.. although my WAMP seems overly friendly to me atm.. lol |
| 19:59.55 | something_else | you guys are the only thing that actually makes me still want to install linux.. |
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| 20:00.05 | etchjster | agp is where i stop |
| 20:00.05 | tralala | something_else, ~15MB + some time for compiling a kernel module using module-assistant |
| 20:00.07 | something_else | I would never get this kind of help on windows.. |
| 20:00.13 | Hermedia | Hi friend, i want tar a folder, saving only the folder tree and file who begin with "." like .bashrc and nothing else, no other kind of file. how i can solve this situation? |
| 20:00.18 | x_link | xlink:/home/sedde# mount -tvfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy |
| 20:00.18 | x_link | mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device |
| 20:00.18 | something_else | tralala: give it to me |
| 20:00.25 | x_link | Why does it not work to mount floppy? |
| 20:00.35 | x_link | I tried without the -tvfat as well. Still doesn't work |
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| 20:01.05 | Justin | x_link: the error is telling you that /dev/fd0 is not a valid device |
| 20:01.28 | x_link | ok |
| 20:01.30 | Justin | x_link: the error has absolutly nothing to do with what may be on the actual disk, since as far as it is concered, you don't actually have one |
| 20:01.32 | x_link | fd maytbe |
| 20:01.35 | x_link | Without the 0 |
| 20:01.38 | xingu | pumpkin0: x800se 1002:554b on sarge, unsupported by xfree86 ati and radeon. :) |
| 20:01.58 | tralala | something_else, give me a sec |
| 20:01.59 | dvs | xingu: and vesa? |
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| 20:02.20 | sh4rm4 | do I need a special package repository to get the newest apache (2.0.59) with apt-get ? |
| 20:02.29 | hark | Eclipser: you can use gconftool-2, or ~/.gtkrc-2.0 or gnome-theme-manager or something |
| 20:02.31 | sparr | Can anyone point me to a web browser or image editor that renders the GIFs here correctly? http://sparr.homeip.net/gifsuite/gifsuite.html |
| 20:02.39 | rpc | Justin i confirm... streaming over apache just works lol, thanks alot |
| 20:02.42 | shafire | good night |
| 20:02.45 | Justin | sh4rm4: why do you want the lastest version? |
| 20:02.47 | rpc | Justin especially over udp |
| 20:02.48 | hark | !info apache2 sarge |
| 20:02.50 | dpkg | apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
| 20:02.55 | sh4rm4 | because of security |
| 20:03.13 | sh4rm4 | I was hacked |
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| 20:03.33 | pumpkin0 | xingu: should work fine with ATI-8.33.6 in xfree and xorg. Why 8.28.8-1 ? |
| 20:03.34 | xingu | dvs: would guess will work as well as it ever does, but the screen is a panel at 1680x1050x60 |
| 20:03.38 | Justin | sh4rm4: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 20:03.42 | rpc | dot1q streaming over apache is cool he he |
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| 20:04.01 | Justin | sh4rm4: if you were hacked it was mostly likely because of some shitty php script, not because you think apache was old |
| 20:04.13 | xingu | pumpkin0: just regurgitating, I don't use this hw; apparently fglrx and sarge is problematic. |
| 20:04.21 | tralala | pumpkin0, sarge doesn't have 8.33 |
| 20:04.50 | tralala | something_else, try this http://joro.homelinux.org/fglrx-kernel-src_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb |
| 20:04.54 | sh4rm4 | Justin: interesting |
| 20:05.06 | dvs | Pumpkin0: heck, etch doesn't have 8.33 |
| 20:05.28 | pumpkin0 | dvs: ops. |
| 20:06.00 | xingu | pumpkin0: the icing on the cake is the user is bandwidth constrained; exhausted quota; so dist-upgrade and probably xorg backport is out too |
| 20:06.12 | hark | sid even |
| 20:06.46 | dot1q | rpc: good to know. i'll try it out later |
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| 20:07.00 | pumpkin0 | xingu: exhausted quota before the 15th day of the month... congrats. |
| 20:07.01 | something_else | tralala: nothing.. |
| 20:07.13 | something_else | I exhausted it because if linux.. |
| 20:07.27 | something_else | I got 15gb per month.. which is the most you can actually get.. |
| 20:07.34 | sh4rm4 | Justin: my kernel is 2.6.9-023stab033.7-enterprise, that is also quite old |
| 20:07.51 | sh4rm4 | the hacker managed to exploit it using krad3.c |
| 20:07.55 | something_else | download 1 8.5gb debain installation.. after 2.6gb xubuntu installations... |
| 20:07.56 | dvs | something_else: and you're not going to get vesa working either? |
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| 20:08.04 | something_else | I did vesa.. |
| 20:08.15 | dvs | something_else: what was the error message? |
| 20:08.23 | Justin | sh4rm4: where did you get that kernel from? |
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| 20:08.33 | something_else | the screen actaully turns up blue.. but mangled.. and then returns to the text console saying couldn't load font or something |
| 20:08.36 | Ubuh-Huntuh | hello. I have a 730GB external usb drive and I'm having problems fdisking it. I can't save the new partition table:Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22: Invalid argument. Anyone seen this problem? |
| 20:08.41 | something_else | tralala: can't access your files |
| 20:08.47 | sh4rm4 | Justin: it was preinstalled by my VM isp |
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| 20:08.57 | Justin | sh4rm4: blame the ISP about that one then |
| 20:09.01 | something_else | can you dcc it to me? |
| 20:09.06 | dvs | something_else: so the problem isn't the video card anymore. |
| 20:09.41 | tralala | something_else, try again |
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| 20:10.07 | enouf | tralala: when you get a chance .. review http://technowizah.com/2006/10/debian-how-to-ati-drivers.html any good? |
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| 20:10.55 | something_else | tralala: so.. I load the file to the mp3 player? |
| 20:11.18 | tralala | something_else, did you download it? |
| 20:11.23 | something_else | yeah.. 411kb |
| 20:11.27 | tralala | enouf, sounds interesting - I'll give it a try |
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| 20:11.53 | tralala | something_else, now the big one - fglrx-driver_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb (same url) |
| 20:11.56 | enouf | tralala: cool .. I have no ati cards here .. only really old bvidia |
| 20:12.12 | tralala | bvidia... that must be really old ;) |
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| 20:12.17 | sparr | where does apt keep pre/post install/uninstall scripts for packages that are mid-processing? |
| 20:12.20 | tralala | currently they make nvidias |
| 20:12.29 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, how do I use this patch file? And where can I find more information |
| 20:12.40 | rfrank | h3sp4wn, I am referring to http://darcs.frugalware.org/repos/frugalware-current/source/x11-extra/fglrx/fglrx-2.6.20.patch |
| 20:12.58 | EdLin | tralala: the oldest technolgy, avidias, you have to draw the pixels on the screen with your bare hands. |
| 20:13.10 | tralala | bwahahaha :) |
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| 20:13.39 | enouf | hehe .. just saw my typo .. |
| 20:13.50 | mhiku | faad: error while loading shared libraries: libfaad.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory? how can i fix this? |
| 20:13.56 | tralala | something_else, downloading? |
| 20:14.07 | something_else | yep.... |
| 20:14.09 | something_else | dead slow though |
| 20:14.18 | pumpkin0 | mhiku: which prog outputs that msg ? |
| 20:14.20 | something_else | 17.5 kbps |
| 20:14.21 | enouf | EdLin: comes with a yellow legal pad and a box of #2 pencils |
| 20:14.29 | mhiku | faad |
| 20:14.38 | dvs | something_else: that's 128kbps! |
| 20:14.39 | mhiku | i think its a shared library |
| 20:14.41 | pumpkin0 | mhiku: how did you install faad ? |
| 20:14.43 | tralala | something_else, that's not dead slow |
| 20:15.10 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 20:15.16 | something_else | yeah.. well.. I got a few more kilobytes before I exhaust my cap completly.. |
| 20:15.20 | EdLin | enouf: you had pencils? I had to walk to the charcol quarry when I was a child, uphill, both ways! |
| 20:15.22 | tralala | I was on a dial up with 33kb(its)ps less than an year ago |
| 20:16.41 | enouf | EdLin: in the snow! |
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| 20:16.42 | tralala | something_else, while you're waiting for the download install module-assistant on the pc |
| 20:16.43 | something_else | how? |
| 20:16.51 | tralala | aptitude install module-assistant |
| 20:17.23 | something_else | done |
| 20:17.35 | tralala | now: m-a prepare |
| 20:17.40 | dvs | and build-essential? |
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| 20:17.56 | tralala | dvs, m-a prepare should take care of it |
| 20:18.00 | dvs | ok |
| 20:19.05 | Freude | hi i've set named/bind to resolve hosts and it works fine, but ho do i tell it to cache results ? |
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| 20:19.09 | something_else | even on cable.. the only show to watch at 6am is oprah.. |
| 20:19.11 | something_else | god damn that woman and her evil show |
| 20:19.24 | dvs | Jugde Judy? |
| 20:19.32 | something_else | comes on afterwards :D |
| 20:19.51 | something_else | double specials.. |
| 20:20.25 | tralala | something_else, ready with the prepare? |
| 20:20.35 | something_else | it's "Done!" |
| 20:21.57 | anapivirtua | Bye all. |
| 20:23.13 | Freude | hi i've set named/bind to resolve hosts and it works fine, but ho do i tell it to cache results ? |
| 20:23.27 | tralala | Freude, /msg dpkg repeat |
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| 20:25.28 | Ubuh-Huntuh | hi if i have a 8G mem server, what should be the size of swap? this is a website |
| 20:25.28 | something_else | 90% |
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| 20:25.55 | pumpkin0 | Ubuh-Huntuh: how much RAM is in use in normal operation ? |
| 20:26.15 | Ubuh-Huntuh | web site with some light mysql i guess 4-6G? |
| 20:26.52 | Justin | Ubuh-Huntuh: what do you expect it to swap out to fill 4G? |
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| 20:27.06 | tralala | Ubuh-Huntuh, the general recommendation is twice the RAM size but for that much RAM I'm not sure |
| 20:27.11 | pumpkin0 | Ubuh-Huntuh: the amount of swap should be the size of the RAM needed by unused/rarely used progs. |
| 20:27.12 | Justin | Ubuh-Huntuh: 512M will be fine |
| 20:27.47 | something_else | tralala: you there? |
| 20:27.54 | tralala | yes |
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| 20:27.56 | pumpkin0 | Ubuh-Huntuh: and light mysql needs 50-100MB. |
| 20:28.16 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ty |
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| 20:28.25 | frostschutz | Ubuh-Huntuh: additional swap space doesn't hurt, so if your harddisk is way bigger than what you actually need, the question doesn't even come up ;) |
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| 20:28.52 | SNow | anyone got lighthttpd? and http://trac.lighttpd.net/trac/ticket/1015 - this problem with it? May I ask help here, while the channel for it is empty, and the support is not answering the ticket... |
| 20:28.54 | tralala | something_else, are you done? |
| 20:29.06 | something_else | yeah.. |
| 20:29.10 | something_else | how do I transfer the files? |
| 20:29.26 | tralala | something_else, put them on the stick and plug it in |
| 20:29.31 | something_else | already done |
| 20:29.39 | tralala | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ |
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| 20:30.15 | something_else | done |
| 20:30.15 | tralala | dpkg -i /mnt/fglrx-kernel-src_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb |
| 20:30.15 | tralala | dpkg, shut up, bitch |
| 20:30.27 | SNow | Hey, anyone has an Idea how to make the SATA hdd to look up in linux debian like /dev/sd* not /dev/hd* |
| 20:30.38 | dvs | tralala: wouldn't copying the files first be better? ;-) |
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| 20:30.54 | SNow | while when it's /dev/hd* It only sees 4 hdd |
| 20:31.01 | SNow | I have though 3 IDE and 4 SATA 2 |
| 20:31.08 | SNow | and They are numbered /dev/hd* |
| 20:31.09 | something_else | tralala.. done |
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| 20:31.19 | SNow | Maybe I need to make it /dev/sd* |
| 20:31.23 | tralala | dvs, might be |
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| 20:31.34 | tralala | something_else, cp /mnt/fgl* /root |
| 20:31.46 | pumpkin0 | SNow: did you activate a special mode for SATA in your BIOS ? |
| 20:31.56 | something_else | done |
| 20:32.03 | SNow | legacy, native |
| 20:32.04 | tralala | umount /mnt |
| 20:32.06 | SNow | Tried everything |
| 20:32.08 | SNow | pump |
| 20:32.19 | something_else | done |
| 20:32.27 | tralala | m-a -t build fglrx |
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| 20:32.53 | something_else | build failed |
| 20:32.59 | something_else | press return to continue |
| 20:33.07 | tralala | what's the error message? |
| 20:33.26 | something_else | source not found |
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| 20:34.04 | tralala | something_else, make sure you didn't mistype fglrx |
| 20:34.18 | hark | heh |
| 20:34.35 | Adrian_dlcspm | xorg-server-core tries to overwrite a file which comes with xserver-common (which xorg-server depends upon), and so upgrading fails. How would I get around this issue? |
| 20:34.50 | something_else | nope.. |
| 20:34.56 | something_else | retyped it.. |
| 20:35.02 | tralala | something_else, ls /usr/src/ |
| 20:35.11 | tralala | do you see fglrx.tar.bz2? |
| 20:35.29 | something_else | fglrx.tar.bz2 |
| 20:35.30 | something_else | yup |
| 20:35.44 | tralala | something_else, give me the exact error message of m-a |
| 20:36.03 | hark | Adrian_dlcspm: you're doing a dist-upgrade right? |
| 20:36.14 | hark | not upgrade? |
| 20:36.33 | something_else | source not found. Run: module-assistant auto-install Build failed. |
| 20:36.45 | Adrian_dlcspm | hark - Right, after I did an upgrade. |
| 20:36.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.01 | hark | the prepare would have done so |
| 20:37.04 | enouf | bah .. backwards .. like my bvidia cards :-P |
| 20:37.17 | tralala | something_else, before that? |
| 20:37.32 | hark | installed the deb? |
| 20:37.35 | something_else | ohh.. line 58: bzcat: command not found |
| 20:37.46 | tralala | aptitude install bzip2 |
| 20:37.51 | hark | Adrian_dlcspm: /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 20:37.55 | enouf | !m-a |
| 20:37.55 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:38.40 | enouf | why would that command line specify those pkgs then? .. or m-a prepare will reach out and run apt-get all on it's own? |
| 20:39.19 | something_else | Package fglrx-kernel-src not installed? |
| 20:39.37 | something_else | running m-a -f get fglrx-kernel-src may help |
| 20:39.49 | something_else | the source tarball could not be found |
| 20:40.00 | tralala | something_else, where do you get that? |
| 20:40.03 | enouf | something_else: folow their lead .. nm me and my silly suggests .. I'll straighten out my funky thoughts amongst them |
| 20:40.10 | something_else | m-a -t build fglrx |
| 20:40.15 | Adrian_dlcspm | hark - hrm, the solution "apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename>" doesn't seem to work. It just returns the same error I had previous, but now for the dependencies. |
| 20:40.27 | tralala | something_else, after installing bzip2? |
| 20:40.34 | something_else | yup |
| 20:40.45 | tralala | something_else, before that? |
| 20:40.53 | something_else | ha? |
| 20:40.59 | something_else | I installed bzip2 |
| 20:41.18 | tralala | something_else, give me more of the m-a's output |
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| 20:41.47 | hark | Adrian_dlcspm: actually there shouldn't be an error. Try apt-get install aptitude; aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade instead |
| 20:41.50 | something_else | I gave you all of it.. |
| 20:42.02 | something_else | The source tarball could not be found! |
| 20:42.09 | hark | !! |
| 20:42.10 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 20:42.17 | tralala | something_else, is fglrx.tar.bz2 still in /usr/src? |
| 20:42.17 | something_else | Package fglrx-kernel-src not installed? |
| 20:42.27 | something_else | how should I know? |
| 20:42.28 | ice63 | lol |
| 20:42.37 | tralala | something_else, ls /usr/src/ |
| 20:43.05 | something_else | nothing.. |
| 20:43.19 | tralala | dpkg -i /root/fglrx-kernel-src_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb |
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| 20:43.43 | tralala | !botspank |
| 20:43.44 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
| 20:43.51 | enouf | heh |
| 20:43.57 | theos | how to change the unknown host name of my computer |
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| 20:44.19 | enouf | theos: /etc/hostname |
| 20:44.40 | theos | thx |
| 20:45.06 | Adrian_dlcspm | hark - Well, sort of, "Errors were encountered while processing:", and it lists libxdmcp6 and a LOT of packages starting with xserver-xorg-video- |
| 20:45.11 | hark | tralala: you know it's been about 4 hours or so with something_else's problem |
| 20:45.15 | h3sp4wn | rfrank: you need the latest fglrx from ati and then apply it to the kernel module before building it |
| 20:45.23 | tralala | hark, if only I had a life... |
| 20:45.30 | something_else | tralala: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fglrx-lernel-src: fglrx-kernel-src depends on debhelper |
| 20:45.32 | enouf | Adrian_dlcspm: earlier xorg packages were monolithic, now no longer, afaik |
| 20:45.46 | tralala | something_else, aptitude install debhelper make |
| 20:45.47 | something_else | however: package debhelper is not installed |
| 20:46.02 | Adrian_dlcspm | enouf - Ya, and causing circular dependency issues :) |
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| 20:46.19 | something_else | done |
| 20:46.30 | tralala | dpkg -i /root/fglrx-kernel-src_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb |
| 20:46.34 | something_else | done already |
| 20:46.41 | tralala | build again |
| 20:46.58 | dvs | tralala: you're REALLY getting picked apart! |
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| 20:46.59 | something_else | haha!!! no error!! |
| 20:47.06 | enouf | dpkg: shaddup please |
| 20:47.06 | dpkg | fine, be that way! |
| 20:47.33 | hark | you mean there was one before? |
| 20:47.44 | theos | do i use nano to créate the host name |
| 20:47.50 | tralala | something_else, dpkg -i /usr/src/fglrx-kernel-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb /root/fglrx-driver_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb |
| 20:47.54 | hark | theos: no vi |
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| 20:48.02 | enouf | theos: you can .. or any editor |
| 20:48.13 | dvs | tralala: he's using 2.6.8 kernel |
| 20:48.22 | theos | what do i have to write in the file |
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| 20:48.37 | hark | !comfort tralala |
| 20:48.38 | dpkg | There, there, tralala. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 20:48.45 | tralala | something_else, dpkg -i /usr/src/*.deb /root/fglrx-driver_8.28.8-1_amd64.deb |
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| 20:48.54 | enouf | theos: man hostname |
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| 20:49.04 | theos | ok |
| 20:49.10 | something_else | cannot access archive |
| 20:49.16 | something_else | I'll retype it |
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| 20:49.26 | tralala | something_else, use the second one |
| 20:49.52 | enouf | theos: my /etc/hostname file contains 1 word and that's all |
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| 20:50.16 | Wyzard | enouf: It's only supposed to contain one word, afaik |
| 20:50.21 | something_else | second one is done |
| 20:50.44 | tralala | something_else, modprobe -r radeon |
| 20:50.45 | theos | ok but it didn't worked i just tried |
| 20:50.59 | theos | do i need to do somethin in host.conf |
| 20:51.08 | something_else | done |
| 20:51.10 | tralala | something_else, modprobe fglrx |
| 20:51.13 | enouf | Wyzard: I'm aware :-) .. just trying to make it simple for theos |
| 20:51.28 | Wyzard | enouf: ah, sorry... I wasn't following the discussion |
| 20:51.34 | something_else | FATAL: errpr inserting fglrx |
| 20:51.37 | something_else | invalid module format |
| 20:51.42 | enouf | dpkg: de nada Wyzard |
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| 20:51.46 | enouf | heh |
| 20:51.58 | stew | something_else: /msg dpkg invalid module format |
| 20:52.01 | tralala | something_else, gcc --version |
| 20:52.09 | enouf | !say de nada Wyzard |
| 20:52.09 | dpkg | de nada Wyzard |
| 20:52.20 | theos | theos@(none):~$ |
| 20:52.26 | theos | i just dit it |
| 20:52.32 | theos | and its still none |
| 20:52.38 | something_else | what do you want me to tell you about it? |
| 20:52.47 | enouf | theos: that's likely your dortfiles |
| 20:52.47 | tralala | the version |
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| 20:52.53 | enouf | er dotfiles |
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| 20:53.01 | something_else | Debian 1:3.3.5-13 |
| 20:53.03 | Pau1ius | hi, how could I find out which package some file belongs to? |
| 20:53.03 | enouf | theos: /msg dpkg dotfiles |
| 20:53.06 | Wyzard | something_else: Custom-compiled kernel? |
| 20:53.11 | tralala | something_else, install gcc-3.4 |
| 20:53.20 | tralala | Wyzard, no |
| 20:53.27 | enouf | theos: 1st logout and login again maybe .. |
| 20:53.31 | Wyzard | oh, custom-compiled fglrx |
| 20:53.32 | Wyzard | nevermind |
| 20:53.33 | something_else | too few arguments.. |
| 20:53.33 | hark | Pau1ius: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:54.04 | tralala | something_else, aptitude install gcc-3.4 |
| 20:54.04 | Pau1ius | thanks |
| 20:54.08 | stew | something_else: what gcc version does "cat /proc/version" say your kernel was compiled with? |
| 20:54.15 | tralala | stew, 3.4.4 |
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| 20:54.26 | something_else | done |
| 20:54.42 | tralala | rm /usr/src/*.deb |
| 20:54.59 | something_else | done |
| 20:55.00 | tralala | CC=gcc-3.4 m-a -t build fglrx |
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| 20:55.27 | something_else | done... |
| 20:55.40 | pipeline | is the G++ ABI stable between minor point releases? |
| 20:55.41 | tralala | dpkg -i /usr/src/*.deb |
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| 20:55.44 | pipeline | e.g. 3.4.4 to 3.4.5 ? |
| 20:55.55 | tralala | dpkg, shuddup already |
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| 20:56.04 | something_else | done |
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| 20:56.11 | rfrank | where is the pastebin |
| 20:56.12 | tralala | modprobe fglrx |
| 20:56.27 | something_else | same error |
| 20:56.29 | EdLin | !pastebin |
| 20:56.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 20:56.47 | theos | still didnt worked |
| 20:56.51 | EdLin | sorry about that, didn't know the pastebin factoid floods the channel. :-) |
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| 20:57.08 | enouf | for someone who's been scripting irc since the advent of the stone age .. I have yet to see one pastbin |
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| 20:57.31 | enouf | EdLin: others are shorter .. like paste or paster |
| 20:57.35 | something_else | tralala: same error |
| 20:57.46 | EdLin | enouf: thanks |
| 20:57.52 | hark | paster needs a disclaimer.. |
| 20:57.54 | ice63 | im glad i use nvidia |
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| 20:58.19 | enouf | EdLin: that l-o-n-g one is very helpful to those whom have X issues and have no working mouse/etc |
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| 20:58.38 | tralala | something_else, modinfo fglrx - what does it say about gcc version? |
| 20:58.40 | enouf | EdLin: the other one is "pastewithoutx" |
| 20:59.08 | something_else | dcc 3.3 |
| 20:59.12 | something_else | gcc* |
| 20:59.27 | guigo | could someone help me with beryl?? =] |
| 20:59.41 | tralala | something_else, did you type CC=gcc-3.4 in front of m-a? |
| 20:59.49 | Wyzard | guigo: Beryl isn't in Debian |
| 20:59.53 | Wyzard | guigo: though Compiz is |
| 21:00.14 | something_else | can't recall.. I pretty much put on zombie mode.. and just manually copy/paste your commands.. |
| 21:00.20 | guigo | ok... it can be Compiz =] |
| 21:00.35 | enouf | also AFAIK, XGL isn't in Debian either, but AIGLX is ..iinm |
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| 21:01.20 | Wyzard | guigo: compiz is in etch, but not in sarge (the current stable release) |
| 21:02.06 | tralala | something_else, ln -sf /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 21:02.14 | tralala | and build again |
| 21:02.49 | Wyzard | tralala: eww :-/ |
| 21:02.51 | something_else | by build again you mean CC=...... ? |
| 21:03.01 | tralala | m-a -t build fglrx |
| 21:03.24 | something_else | already exists.. not rebuilding! |
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| 21:03.26 | tralala | Wyzard, I'll gladly hand you over this case |
| 21:03.26 | something_else | he's angry |
| 21:03.36 | tralala | rm /usr/src/*deb |
| 21:03.37 | something_else | please don |
| 21:03.57 | something_else | should there be a "." between |
| 21:04.00 | something_else | * & . |
| 21:04.01 | something_else | ? |
| 21:04.05 | something_else | deb |
| 21:04.14 | tralala | just type it |
| 21:04.33 | something_else | cannot remove.. no such file |
| 21:04.39 | something_else | I think we forgot the dot.. |
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| 21:05.01 | hark | bravo! |
| 21:05.03 | tralala | okay, put a dot |
| 21:05.20 | something_else | done |
| 21:05.46 | LightKnight | "*deb" should go fine as well, it just removes everything ending in "deb"... |
| 21:05.50 | something_else | rebuild/ |
| 21:05.53 | something_else | ? |
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| 21:06.17 | tralala | yes |
| 21:06.24 | something_else | done |
| 21:06.34 | tralala | dpkg -i /usr/src/*deb |
| 21:06.53 | something_else | done |
| 21:07.05 | tralala | something_else, what does modinfo fglrx say now? |
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| 21:07.08 | enouf | tralala: go make a sandwich, have a beer, take a nap, make love .. or something |
| 21:07.10 | something_else | doesn't this bot has a "shutup" feature? |
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| 21:07.25 | enouf | !shoot something_else |
| 21:07.30 | something_else | 3.4 :D |
| 21:07.32 | enouf | oops .. guess not :-P |
| 21:07.41 | tralala | something_else, modprobe fglrx |
| 21:07.42 | something_else | the Uzi was invented in my home country.. it can't shoot me.. |
| 21:07.55 | enouf | !shoot something_else |
| 21:08.07 | something_else | nope.. won't work against me |
| 21:08.07 | enouf | bah |
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| 21:08.13 | something_else | done tralala |
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| 21:08.29 | tralala | something_else, now edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 with nano |
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| 21:09.01 | something_else | what to edit? |
| 21:09.22 | tralala | something_else, replace the driver with fglrx and the resolution with your native one |
| 21:09.57 | hark | drxx? |
| 21:10.04 | something_else | what was my HorizSync again? |
| 21:10.15 | something_else | 30-85 ? |
| 21:10.59 | tralala | hark, will it offer fglrx? |
| 21:11.07 | hark | tralala: yes |
| 21:11.15 | hark | 30-81 |
| 21:11.15 | something_else | you do mean to change that HorizSynch and the VertRefresh.. right? |
| 21:11.33 | hark | and VR is 56-76 |
| 21:11.45 | tralala | something_else, go for medium |
| 21:12.00 | something_else | ha? you said manually edit it.. |
| 21:12.08 | something_else | there is no medium . advanced choice.. |
| 21:12.20 | hark | either way is fine.. |
| 21:12.50 | tralala | something_else, if you're editing it manually why do you ask for the sync rates? |
| 21:13.16 | something_else | cause I got to that section.. and I remembered that set resolution? |
| 21:13.26 | something_else | no? |
| 21:14.08 | something_else | there is also SubSection modes... |
| 21:14.13 | something_else | add another resolution there? |
| 21:14.23 | something_else | add "1680x1050" |
| 21:14.24 | something_else | ? |
| 21:14.34 | tralala | something_else, exit it without saving and run reconfigure it using dpkg |
| 21:14.50 | something_else | I press ctrl+x and say not to save? |
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| 21:15.17 | tralala | yes |
| 21:15.19 | hark | something_else: that's what it means |
| 21:15.33 | something_else | so.. now I type in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:15.33 | something_else | ? |
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| 21:15.38 | tralala | yes |
| 21:16.16 | hark | see if fglrx is available.. |
| 21:16.47 | something_else | done |
| 21:17.06 | tralala | restart gdm |
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| 21:17.44 | something_else | is this the command - /etc/init.d/dgm restart ? |
| 21:17.50 | tralala | gdm |
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| 21:18.12 | tralala | this is the one |
| 21:18.26 | something_else | guess what! |
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| 21:18.36 | tralala | I guess it's working |
| 21:18.41 | something_else | not really |
| 21:18.47 | something_else | Module load failure |
| 21:18.52 | something_else | the error has changed! |
| 21:19.01 | Justin | did you even install the fglrx X driver yet? |
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| 21:19.10 | Justin | the X driver and kernel module are 2 diferent packages |
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| 21:19.28 | something_else | Justin: don't ask me questions.. I can't really answer them... |
| 21:19.41 | GenNMX | Anyone use a USB Switch? I'm trying to google right now to find any tested-and-true for 2.6.x -- so far, not good. I want to be able to switch between my Windows and Linux desktops without unplugging and replugging (monitor has dual input) |
| 21:19.45 | tralala | something_else, dpkg -i /root/*driver*deb |
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| 21:19.57 | rpc | what would be the most efficient way of cutting a file into 2-3 pieces so i can join them later both on linux or windows? |
| 21:19.58 | hark | man.. I'm off |
| 21:20.05 | Justin | rpc: split |
| 21:20.15 | rpc | Justin and join? |
| 21:20.16 | something_else | done |
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| 21:20.20 | Justin | rpc: and cat |
| 21:20.30 | tralala | something_else, any complaints from dpkg? |
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| 21:20.38 | something_else | nopes |
| 21:20.39 | Kevin` | hmm, why would a kvm switch need a special driver at all? |
| 21:20.44 | rpc | Justin would it be easy to merge those parts on windows? |
| 21:20.44 | tralala | something_else, restart gdm |
| 21:20.49 | Justin | rpc: yes |
| 21:20.56 | rpc | total commander and such |
| 21:21.12 | something_else | same error |
| 21:21.16 | rpc | thank you, will play for a while with this |
| 21:21.17 | GenNMX | Kevin`: USB in Linux has always been a little buggy, hubs make it worse. |
| 21:21.17 | n3kl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.19 | something_else | module load failure |
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| 21:21.33 | Kevin` | GenNMX not for me.. |
| 21:21.50 | Kevin` | GenNMX usb controllers are fairly standard, as well as usb hubs |
| 21:21.52 | Justin | n3kl: man 5 crontab |
| 21:21.55 | tralala | something_else, does grep fglrx /proc/modules return something |
| 21:22.35 | n3kl | Justin: thanks */5 |
| 21:22.36 | GenNMX | Kevin`: Well I think I'm reading USB 2.0 devices have the best compatibility? |
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| 21:23.17 | Kevin` | GenNMX the version isn't really related to the compatability. i'd try to use usb2 though as it's faster.. |
| 21:23.24 | something_else | well... I typed it.. and it's giving me the blinking _ ever since.. |
| 21:23.52 | tralala | you are supposed to type "grep fglrx /proc/modules" |
| 21:23.58 | tralala | do it after pressing ctrl-c |
| 21:24.16 | rpc | damn it another problem - does anyone know what is wrong with SecureCRT so i can't use F10 in there? |
| 21:24.22 | something_else | returns two lines |
| 21:24.27 | rpc | remote terminal only accepts F1-F4 |
| 21:24.56 | something_else | fglrx 457684 0 - Live 0xffffffffa0201000 |
| 21:25.01 | rpc | while putty works just fine but i need to use securecrt for some reasons |
| 21:25.16 | Kevin` | what reasons? heh |
| 21:25.29 | something_else | agpgart 36204 1 fglrx, Live 0xffffffffa01f7000 |
| 21:25.56 | Kevin` | this would be a question best asked of the securecrt folks, or ##windows. I doubt many people here use it |
| 21:26.00 | tralala | something_else, how about "grep radeon /proc/modules"? |
| 21:26.23 | something_else | nothing |
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| 21:26.48 | Solak | Hello. |
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| 21:27.44 | tralala | something_else, you'd have to post the X log again but that's a task for another day |
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| 21:28.05 | something_else | indeed my friend.. thank you so much.. |
| 21:28.29 | something_else | I never had anyone help for this long on a problem this frustrating... to a person so a newbie as me.. |
| 21:28.31 | Solak | (/dev/sdb1 = win2k , /dev/sdb2 = / , /dev/sda1 = /) |
| 21:28.39 | Solak | where sdb2 is the new one. |
| 21:28.41 | Kevin` | Solak if the grub files are already in place, this is best done from a grub boot disk or cd |
| 21:28.42 | tralala | something_else, I wish there was an actual result for you to thank me for... |
| 21:28.44 | Kevin` | with the setup command |
| 21:28.57 | something_else | doesn't matter... I'll see you antoher day |
| 21:29.08 | something_else | thanks again |
| 21:29.09 | something_else | really |
| 21:29.21 | Kevin` | Solak otherwise, from a livecd or such, grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/debiansroot /dev/sda |
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| 21:29.26 | Solak | Kevin`: would the debian install cd work for that? |
| 21:29.43 | tralala | something_else, you should be really close to the end now. Try the channel again tomorrow and somebody should help you with the X log |
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| 21:30.02 | something_else | hehe.. if I got time.. I will |
| 21:30.09 | Kevin` | Solak probably |
| 21:30.26 | Kevin` | Solak easiest to use a grub disk though |
| 21:30.43 | tralala | something_else, good luck! |
| 21:30.53 | something_else | thank you.. |
| 21:30.57 | something_else | and again.. thanks for the time |
| 21:31.00 | something_else | and the patience.. |
| 21:31.06 | something_else | laters all |
| 21:31.08 | tralala | sure |
| 21:31.14 | tralala | nighty night |
| 21:31.15 | Solak | Kevin`: hmm, that'll be a cd since I don't have a floppy drive in this pc... |
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| 21:31.40 | Kevin` | Solak you can put grub on a cd too |
| 21:31.48 | Kevin` | waste of a cd, of course, but it can be useful to have |
| 21:31.53 | Kevin` | like floppy disks are useful to have =p |
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| 21:32.59 | blazemonger | i can't get my monitor adjusted to 1024x768x85hz |
| 21:33.04 | blazemonger | it only shows 60hz |
| 21:33.13 | blazemonger | what do i have to edit in my xorg file |
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| 21:33.26 | Gnurdux | use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:34.11 | blazemonger | ive tried that |
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| 21:34.41 | kingsley | Is there another image viewer besides "gqview" that allows editing selected images with "gimp"? |
| 21:34.42 | Gnurdux | you sure the monitor supports 85hz? |
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| 21:34.55 | blazemonger | y7es |
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| 21:35.07 | blazemonger | because i had it working in the past time4 i had testing installed |
| 21:35.10 | blazemonger | on the same hardware |
| 21:35.13 | blazemonger | for some reason |
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| 21:35.16 | blazemonger | i forgot what i did |
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| 21:36.20 | BrianSteffens | how do i permanently add a path to my PATH variable? i have tried ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bashrc, and /root/.profile |
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| 21:36.55 | tsmithe | hey - i thought #debian was on oftc |
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| 21:37.18 | Kevin` | it's here too |
| 21:37.22 | RvGaTe | how/where do i set my locales ? |
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| 21:38.13 | tsmithe | Kevin`, cool... /me just came in cos "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" was pointed out in #ubuntu-offtopic |
| 21:39.13 | freetos | does debian have a live cd/live cd installer? |
| 21:39.22 | freetos | a live cd? |
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| 21:39.49 | freetos | i'd like to try it before i install it |
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| 21:40.49 | T-d-L | hi all! |
| 21:40.56 | tsmithe | hi |
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| 21:41.53 | T-d-L | does somebody know on which deb package is "update-rc.d"? (sorry for my poor english) |
| 21:42.05 | blazemonger | i stil cant get my resolution correct |
| 21:42.11 | blazemonger | everything else works like a charm so far |
| 21:42.39 | Supaplex | T-d-L: packages.debian.org |
| 21:42.52 | T-d-L | oh thanks.... ;-) |
| 21:43.14 | Supaplex | T-d-L: or install and use apt-file if you want a command line program |
| 21:43.36 | aredhel | freetos, not really knoppix is based on debian, and there is now a script for making a live cd from debian packages, but there is no live debian cd as such. |
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| 21:44.01 | Supaplex | !debian-live |
| 21:44.05 | Supaplex | !live |
| 21:44.06 | dpkg | [live] not evil. |
| 21:44.07 | hark | !livecd |
| 21:44.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 21:44.23 | hark | !win me |
| 21:44.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, hark! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:44.34 | hark | again!! |
| 21:44.46 | Supaplex | I demand a recount! |
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| 21:45.19 | freetos | aredhel, does knoppix use the same repositories as debian, can i install software on my hardrive using knoppix and apt-get? |
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| 21:45.54 | blazemonger | no solutions? |
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| 21:46.46 | Nazcafan | hi |
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| 21:47.17 | Supaplex | freetos: no, they comingle. if you want debian, use a debian installer. (knoppix is debian /like/, but can't replace debian if it's what you want) |
| 21:47.17 | aredhel | freetos, it can be done, but no one will suport it. in other words #debian will not help if you install a debian like system from knoppix and knoppix people will not help you if you install it on a hard drive. |
| 21:47.22 | anapivirtua | Hi / Re all |
| 21:47.27 | Nazcafan | I'd like to give a better priority to beep-media-player, since it kinds of lags when I am loading some css pages in firefox |
| 21:47.45 | Nazcafan | is there a simple way to that automatically ? |
| 21:48.01 | Supaplex | Nazcafan: well, there's nice. (man nice) |
| 21:48.28 | TheZanke | blazemonger, what kind of graphicscard u using? |
| 21:48.46 | TheZanke | Sorry stoned, You* |
| 21:48.50 | Nazcafan | Supaplex: right, but I have to invoque nice each time I call bmp |
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| 21:49.06 | Nazcafan | I was hoping for .nice or something |
| 21:49.11 | Nazcafan | heyyy |
| 21:49.16 | Nazcafan | that is a good idea |
| 21:50.27 | Nazcafan | would it be difficult to put a .nice file on the homedir ? |
| 21:50.52 | Supaplex | I think you want a shell script+sudo |
| 21:51.03 | TheZanke | Is anyone else having problems loading the Packet Storm Security forums? |
| 21:51.08 | Nazcafan | Supaplex: is nice only for root ? |
| 21:51.10 | zOap | what was the name of the gui control for wacom tablets? |
| 21:51.41 | Supaplex | Nazcafan: well, as the man page surely says, only root can schedule priority below 0 |
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| 21:52.59 | Nazcafan | Supaplex: I think I am OK with a positive value |
| 21:53.26 | Supaplex | Nazcafan: positive is less agressive |
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| 21:54.01 | Nazcafan | where can I check the priority once the process is loaded ? |
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| 21:54.11 | Supaplex | top |
| 21:54.42 | aredhel | Nazcafan, so if you don't want to mess around with running the player as root, nice firefox to say about 5 or so. |
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| 21:55.06 | Nazcafan | aredhel: I have niced beep-media-player to 1 instead, is that wrong ? |
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| 21:55.16 | Supaplex | provided FF doesn't fork/call it. otherwise it inherits the same level. |
| 21:55.34 | aredhel | Nazcafan, that makes it run slower then every thing else. |
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| 21:55.43 | Nazcafan | aredhel: ?? |
| 21:55.45 | aredhel | Nazcafan, 0 is normal -1 is fast |
| 21:55.57 | aredhel | Nameeater, 1 is slow, 5 is slower. |
| 21:56.08 | Supaplex | !tell Nazcafan -about nice |
| 21:56.50 | Nazcafan | aredhel: I don't get you |
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| 21:57.17 | aredhel | Nazcafan, did you read what dpkg had to say? |
| 21:57.17 | simonrvn | priority isn't nice level |
| 21:57.22 | Fony_Vaio | running sid with kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64, can't install build nvidia binary driver from source since it's x86. Have dl'd NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run from nvidia, but i'm not sure i want to bypass the package manager by installing manually. is there any other way? |
| 21:57.39 | Nazcafan | nicing bmp to 1 should do the trick, since 1 has better priority than the default one which is 10 |
| 21:57.45 | simonrvn | Fony_Vaio: yes, use the packages |
| 21:57.57 | HymnToLife | Fony_Vaio, no probem here using the nvidia installer |
| 21:57.58 | Nazcafan | but you said, that it would make it run slower than anything else |
| 21:58.18 | Nazcafan | aredhel: end yes I read the dpkg message and the nice manpage |
| 21:58.19 | Fony_Vaio | simonrvn, can't use the packages, they're not for amd64 |
| 21:58.43 | Fony_Vaio | HymnToLife, ok, i might give it a go. |
| 21:58.50 | simonrvn | so use that then :/ |
| 21:58.58 | aredhel | Nazcafan, 0 is the defalt for a normaly runing program 10 is what nice will set it to if you don't give it and argument. |
| 21:58.59 | HymnToLife | be sure to have your kernel headers installed |
| 21:59.18 | mfrisch | !m-a |
| 21:59.18 | dpkg | well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 21:59.51 | Nazcafan | aredhel: oh, I got it, thanks |
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| 22:00.06 | Nazcafan | so yes, nicing firefox to 5 should do the trick |
| 22:00.17 | Fony_Vaio | mfrisch, m-a also errors with the nvidia-source from apt. |
| 22:00.18 | Nazcafan | what is the difference between nice and priority ? |
| 22:00.43 | simonrvn | man ps |
| 22:00.43 | Fony_Vaio | HymnToLife, yes, i have them |
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| 22:01.04 | HymnToLife | Fony_Vaio, are you running etch or sid ? |
| 22:01.20 | HymnToLife | if running etch, you'll have to download the nvidia-source from sid |
| 22:01.24 | mfrisch | Fony_Vaio: I got the debs from the mirrors there IS a package |
| 22:01.25 | Fony_Vaio | HymnToLife, sid, as i said earlier. |
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| 22:01.38 | Fony_Vaio | mfrisch, are you running an amd64 kernel? |
| 22:01.44 | mfrisch | YES |
| 22:02.16 | Fony_Vaio | mfrisch, seriously, i can't find it. what's the name of the package? |
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| 22:02.36 | mfrisch | Fony_Vaio: you have to run an older kernel .3 not .4 and make sure you add non-free to your sources |
| 22:03.24 | TheZanke | lol http://channels.debian.net/paste/5351 |
| 22:03.34 | TheZanke | thats on just cable |
| 22:03.39 | Fony_Vaio | mfrisch, i'm using main contrib and non-free. if i apt-cache search nvidia | grep amd64 nothing is returned. |
| 22:03.52 | mfrisch | Fony_Vaio: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 22:04.20 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: You need non-free in your sources.list |
| 22:04.30 | Wyzard | oh, nm, I can't read :-) |
| 22:04.47 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, it's there |
| 22:04.48 | the_master | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.50 | Wyzard | Anyway, I'm running amd64 sid and using nVidia |
| 22:04.59 | Wyzard | and "apt-cache search nvidia" brings up lots of results |
| 22:05.05 | mfrisch | me too |
| 22:05.18 | Nazcafan | firefox has a priority of 21 |
| 22:05.21 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, grep for amd64 or even 64 |
| 22:05.25 | Wyzard | Have you done "apt-get update" after adding non-free to your sources.list? |
| 22:05.43 | Nazcafan | whereas bmp has a priority of 15 |
| 22:05.50 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 and nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 are both there |
| 22:05.57 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: and the former is what I'm using right now |
| 22:06.06 | freetos | i wonder how i can run debian as a vps on my centos, so i can use debian's repositories to install software, but using the rhel kernel? |
| 22:06.27 | mfrisch | Wyzard: ooh 18.4 is out |
| 22:06.40 | Wyzard | yes, it's been there for a week or two |
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| 22:07.22 | Wolfcastle | the_master: please paste the error to take a look |
| 22:07.26 | Wyzard | freetos: You'd do a debootstrap install of Debian, into whatever directory your VPS setup wants it in... the installation manual has a section on how to do that |
| 22:08.03 | Nazcafan | makes no difference :-( |
| 22:08.05 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, E: couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 22:08.40 | freetos | Wyzard, cool, i'm going fishing for it now |
| 22:08.46 | Nazcafan | if I bring firefox to the foreplan, It pumps all the resources I get and make beep-media-player lag |
| 22:08.48 | Wyzard | freetos: If the virtualization system you choose involves running another copy of the kernel, like Xen, you'd need to either copy the CentOS kernel's modules into the Debian chroot... either that or make the Debian kernel available for Xen to boot |
| 22:09.15 | Nazcafan | event now that I have niced firefox a lot |
| 22:09.20 | Wyzard | freetos: If you use something like OpenVZ that doesn't run multiple instances of the kernel, you probably don't need to provide the Debian chroot system with modules at all |
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| 22:09.36 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: apt-get update |
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| 22:10.10 | Wyzard | freetos: The section you want in the Debian installation manual is titled "Installing Debian from Another GNU/Linux System" or something like that |
| 22:10.12 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, still nothing |
| 22:10.28 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: Pastebin your sources.list |
| 22:10.33 | Nazcafan | the weird thing is that my iceweasel will present that issue only when bringing certain pages to the foreplan, as this one :https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=13674163&postID=8645635298682876445 |
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| 22:11.38 | stoned | what about me? |
| 22:11.44 | aredhel | Nazcafan, are you playing some thing off a disk or over the net? |
| 22:11.58 | Nazcafan | aredhel: |
| 22:12.00 | Nazcafan | yes |
| 22:12.10 | Nazcafan | but I'll try with an mp3 |
| 22:12.19 | freetos | Wyzard, thanks for the help |
| 22:13.19 | Nazcafan | aredhel: same issue when reading an mp3 from my hard drive |
| 22:13.49 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, http://pastebin.co.uk/10282 |
| 22:13.56 | Nazcafan | I don't get why some pagees make my firefox so slow |
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| 22:15.56 | aredhel | Nazcafan, You could try one of the lighter web browsers, and use firefox only when you need too. If that doesn't help you I am out of ideas. Sorry. |
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| 22:16.20 | kingsley | What's a good video editor for .avi files? |
| 22:16.38 | enouf | b00 |
| 22:16.49 | Nazcafan | aredhel: the thing is thag very heavy pages are easily displayed, but some specific pages go slow |
| 22:16.52 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/non-free/binary-amd64/Packages.gz/Packages?extract=true shows that your mirror has nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 but not nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 |
| 22:17.11 | rahul | kingsley: "video editor" is a hugely broad term |
| 22:17.17 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: Actually, I think nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 might not be in the archive yet... I think I built it locally on my system using module-assistant |
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| 22:17.44 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: but if you're using kernel 2.6.18-3-amd64, you should be able to install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 22:17.59 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: and if you're using kernel 2.6.18-4-amd64, you can install nvidia-kernel-source and use module-assistant |
| 22:18.05 | xingu | Wyzard: nope, its in the sid repo; I was amused when it overwrite the one I had built locally |
| 22:18.13 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
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| 22:18.34 | kingsley | rahul: I didn't realize that I was being vague. To be more specific, what's a good application for editing movie files that use the ".avi" extension? For example, to delete parts of the files. |
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| 22:18.47 | Wyzard | xingu: How recently was it added? |
| 22:18.58 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, I ran an apt-get update about 30secs ago |
| 22:18.59 | haggz | Nazcafan: pages are often slow because of the external server or delays in the routing otw to your machine, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with firefox or your machine. |
| 22:19.01 | rahul | kingsley: ... ok, you got more specific about what's irrelevant... |
| 22:19.11 | Wyzard | xingu: I'm up-to-date using mirrors.kernel.org and "apt-cache policy" doesn't show nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 in the archive |
| 22:19.12 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, maybe my mirror is skrewed? |
| 22:19.26 | xingu | Wyzard: actually you're right, brain fart, was thinking of something else |
| 22:19.40 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: That link I mentioned a minute ago is the list of amd64 packages on your mirror... the packages are there |
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| 22:19.55 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, so why can't i install them using apt? |
| 22:20.16 | xingu | Wyzard: ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-4-amd64 was what I was thinking of, never mind me. :) |
| 22:20.18 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, maybe the package listings are out of date or something? |
| 22:20.27 | kingsley | rahul: I'm looking for a gui application like the gimp, but instead of editing still images, it will edit .avi movie files. |
| 22:20.27 | rahul | kingsley: actually, you got more vague about it, heh |
| 22:20.43 | rahul | kingsley: what kinds of edits? there are a million different things you can do to a video |
| 22:20.53 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: Well, that's why you did "apt-get update"... but maybe the update failed for some reason; did you look for error messages when you ran it? |
| 22:21.09 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, what mirror are you using to get the package you speak of? |
| 22:21.13 | kingsley | rahul: Deleting frames. |
| 22:21.15 | rahul | kingsley: do you want to add a text overlay? do you want to splice? create a translucent overlay? |
| 22:21.16 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, no errors |
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| 22:21.35 | magyar | how can i make vim display line numbers in sid when editing instead of "~@k" |
| 22:21.45 | rahul | kingsley: mplayer can output a bunch of pngs, which you can fiddle with, and mencoder can put them back together into a movie. |
| 22:22.01 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: Does "apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64" say "unable to locate package" ? |
| 22:22.07 | Nazcafan | haggz: my machine slows down just when bringing the firefox window to the foreplan, even if the page is already loaded, not to mention that it happens only with specific pages |
| 22:22.26 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, yes. |
| 22:22.42 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, what repo are you using to get nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-amd64 ? |
| 22:22.50 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: I use mirrors.kernel.org |
| 22:23.47 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: but remember, there's no package for -4 yet, only -3... if you're running the -4 kernel you need to use module-assistant to build the nvidia package |
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| 22:24.16 | Nazcafan | could it be possible that my X server slows down when trying to display some very specific graphic format ? |
| 22:24.34 | Nazcafan | that would be available through some internet pages |
| 22:25.14 | enouf | http://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?howtoselect=1;60 |
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| 22:25.51 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, i still cant see the amd64 packages using your repo. |
| 22:26.10 | kingsley | rahul: I'm thinking of something like "kino". |
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| 22:26.47 | rahul | kingsley: I guess I failed the riddle. |
| 22:26.54 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: You're running amd64 Debian, right? Not i386 Debian? |
| 22:26.57 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, in fact, all apt-cache search amd64 | grep amd64 gives me are a few amd64 libs and a number of kernel images / headers, etc. Nothing more. |
| 22:27.06 | rahul | I'll have to stay on this side of the gate. |
| 22:27.37 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, omg. i'm such an idiot, it just dawned on me.. i'm running i386. gah |
| 22:27.43 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: It sounds like you're running a 32-bit system, and just happen to be using the "-amd64" kernel which is optimized for the newer processors, but isn't actually 64-bit |
| 22:27.59 | subopt | Where can i find a netinst iso image for sketch? I see them for sarge, but not for sketch. |
| 22:28.07 | rahul | sketch? |
| 22:28.10 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: At any rate, you can build the package using module-assistant... nvidia-kernel-source *is* available on i386 Debian |
| 22:28.11 | rahul | you mean etch? |
| 22:28.17 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, yes, you're right.. i have the install cd for amd64, but i was installing a few systems at once and just threw the same cd in each as i went. |
| 22:28.26 | rahul | subopt: go to the debian-installer page |
| 22:28.26 | subopt | rahul: yes. |
| 22:28.41 | rahul | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:28.47 | subopt | rahul: i'm there |
| 22:28.53 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, yes, so now my dilemma is whether to switch back to an x86 kernel, or do the whole thing over with amd64 dist |
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| 22:29.01 | rahul | hrm wait... |
| 22:29.09 | haggz | nazcafan: you should study the contents of the pages that are causing performance issues, do you have the firefox extensions that let you inspect page elements and control javascript execution, etc? |
| 22:29.20 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: You can keep using your -amd64 kernel on your i386 system if you want |
| 22:29.24 | rahul | subopt: yeah that page is for etch |
| 22:29.34 | Nazcafan | haggz: I have disabled javascript, it wasn't that |
| 22:29.43 | Wyzard | Fony_Vaio: Personally I'd reinstall with amd64 just because you can run 32-bit stuff on 64-bit Debian but not vice-versa |
| 22:29.48 | subopt | rahul: Ah, i see. Thanks. |
| 22:29.49 | Nazcafan | haggz: I haven't installed taht |
| 22:29.54 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, meh, may aswell re-install |
| 22:29.54 | Nazcafan | I'll try that thanks |
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| 22:30.07 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, cheers for bearing with me on that one.. complete fool i've been. lol |
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| 22:32.52 | Fony_Vaio | Wyzard, ok, back to the drawing board. chow |
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| 22:34.31 | bjornh` | can anyone tell me why my deb-unstable box gives me "Permission denied (publickey). |
| 22:34.38 | bjornh` | " when trying to ssh to it? |
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| 22:35.51 | rahul | bjornh`: because your public key is not in the authorized keys on the remote host? |
| 22:36.10 | shining | bjornh`: because it doesn't allow password authentification, and it requires a public key |
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| 22:38.19 | Solak | Kevin`: I changed the boot parameters so I managed to boot the system on the new harddisk... |
| 22:38.50 | xand | is the vlc in etch capable of playing DVDs? |
| 22:38.59 | Xenguy | xand: yes |
| 22:39.23 | xand | "normal" ones? with CSS and crap on them? |
| 22:39.41 | Xenguy | xand: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:40.13 | xand | play a dvd :) I chose open disc and told it to use /dev/dvd, but when i click play nothing happens |
| 22:40.22 | abrotman | they stole your money! |
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| 22:40.52 | xand | oh |
| 22:41.02 | Solak | Kevin`: is there a way to reconfigure grub from there? |
| 22:41.06 | xand | hmm can't read /dev/dvd |
| 22:41.24 | Xenguy | xand: OK, well I have played dvd's with vlc and no problems. It probably depends on the DVD in some cases too. If I were you I would try a few different DVD's to establish a baseline. |
| 22:41.25 | xand | oh, i need to be in the cdrom group o.O |
| 22:41.46 | Kevin` | Solak the grub boot parameters are just a text file in /boot/grub |
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| 22:42.03 | Xenguy | xand: /dev/dvd may need to be a symlink pointing to the actual device |
| 22:42.09 | xand | it is |
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| 22:42.23 | xand | but i dont have permission to access it |
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| 22:42.51 | amphi | xand: put yourself in the cdrom group |
| 22:42.59 | jay | does anyone here know how to get xmodmap to recognize my Super keys? |
| 22:43.07 | jonw | hello, how would I add http://mirror.ovh.net/ubuntu/pool/ to my sources.list ? |
| 22:43.08 | Xenguy | xand: ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 22:43.09 | Xenguy | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2007-01-23 18:00 /dev/dvd -> hdc |
| 22:43.12 | Solak | Kevin`: menu.lst, yes. |
| 22:43.24 | Xenguy | xand: that's what I have here |
| 22:43.27 | xand | Xenguy: yes thanks i know |
| 22:43.31 | amphi | xand: ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 22:43.34 | xand | sigh, program crashes now |
| 22:43.44 | Solak | Kevin`: but I'm not sure what to edit where, and how grub adds the new partitions... |
| 22:43.58 | Xenguy | xand: don't waste time telling me you know - just get on with solving the problem :-) |
| 22:44.00 | amphi | xand: try mplayer -vo xv dvd:// |
| 22:44.02 | Solak | Kevin`: it's different from lilo which appeared to scan the system. |
| 22:44.07 | xand | libdvdread: Encrypted DVD support unavailable. |
| 22:44.31 | amphi | xand: install libdvdcss |
| 22:44.43 | amphi | xand: or libdvdcss2 |
| 22:44.55 | Xenguy | xand: You probably just need some CSS stuff from: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 22:44.58 | fsmunoz | Or libdbdread3 |
| 22:45.03 | fsmunoz | libdvdread3 |
| 22:45.05 | Justin | xand: run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh |
| 22:45.19 | jonw | any clues on adding pool to sources.list .. is this possibe ? |
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| 22:46.10 | fsmunoz | The readme mentioned libdvdcss though. |
| 22:46.40 | amphi | yeah, you need that also |
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| 22:46.48 | amphi | Justin: no such script here |
| 22:47.00 | Justin | amphi: did youinstall libdvdread first? |
| 22:47.25 | amphi | Justin: I don't recall |
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| 22:47.47 | amphi | Justin: the readme in there says you need libdvdcss |
| 22:48.09 | Justin | install libdvdread3 |
| 22:48.14 | Justin | then run the script I told you to run |
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| 22:48.38 | amphi | Justin: I have that package installed, and there is no /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh (etch) |
| 22:48.47 | fsmunoz | libdvdcss is IIRC in the debian-multimedia.org apt repository |
| 22:48.50 | Justin | hmm |
| 22:48.52 | amphi | fsmunoz: yup |
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| 22:49.27 | Justin | guess they removed it, oh well |
| 22:49.42 | amphi | heh |
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| 22:50.15 | amphi | Justin: what does that script do, exactly? |
| 22:50.29 | Justin | download and install the libdvdcss deb |
| 22:50.56 | dondelelcaro | yeah, we've never distributed libdvdcss, because it's against the DMCA. |
| 22:51.13 | amphi | ah |
| 22:51.30 | Justin | the readme now says to use http://www.debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 22:51.37 | amphi | o/~ D... M... C... A... o/~ |
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| 22:52.04 | Justin | once again, the dmca only manages to inconvenience someone who is legitimately trying to view a dvd |
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| 22:52.58 | xand | ah cool, installed libdvdcss2 and it works |
| 22:53.00 | Justin | I've tried to explain this to lawyers, they just don't get it.. "linux users can use one of the licensed dvd appliations" |
| 22:53.20 | Gnurdux | how can they use a license dvd application? |
| 22:53.37 | Gnurdux | there arent any for linux |
| 22:53.42 | Justin | Gnurdux: yes there are |
| 22:53.45 | Wyzard | Fluendo might have one now |
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| 22:53.59 | Wyzard | but it's GPL-incompatible, unsurprisingly |
| 22:53.59 | panthera | well, lindvd is a licensed one |
| 22:54.01 | Justin | the windvd people made a lindvd, and I believe powerdvd made a linux port |
| 22:54.12 | eps | eww |
| 22:54.34 | Gnurdux | do they cost $$? |
| 22:54.41 | Justin | of course they do |
| 22:54.48 | panthera | from the legal point of view, assumed there isn't a licensed one, that's not a problem as long as there *can* be one |
| 22:54.52 | eps | one advantage of the rest of the world ignoring linux is that we have decent native versions of basically everything...not the crap that the windows people have to use :| |
| 22:54.59 | panthera | (and can means you only have to have 40'000 US$) |
| 22:55.13 | amphi | Gnurdux: they have to pay contractually undisclosable sums to the dvd consortium |
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| 22:55.49 | Gnurdux | is libdvdcss legal? |
| 22:55.52 | panthera | amphi: the 'regular' prices are public, |
| 22:56.04 | panthera | just nobody knows how much the vendors /actually/ pay |
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| 22:56.10 | panthera | means, how much rabat the get |
| 22:56.13 | Wyzard | Gnurdux: not in the US or other countries with DMCA-like laws |
| 22:56.19 | panthera | s/the/they/ |
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| 22:56.40 | amphi | panthera: they are? the weren't previously, part of the css license used to be that you would not disclose how much you paid |
| 22:56.58 | Solak | hmm, looks like the bios and grub interpret an S-ATA disk as hde... |
| 22:57.27 | Gnurdux | isnt it an antitrust violation if you control the DVD industry and charge money for licensing? |
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| 22:57.43 | Wyzard | Solak: hde isn't a GRUB name... it'd be something like (hd4) |
| 22:57.55 | xand | it's not a bios name either |
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| 22:59.47 | Wyzard | Linux might call it "hde" if you're using one of the older non-libata-based SATA drivers |
| 23:00.10 | Wyzard | Most SATA drivers use libata, though, so the drives appear as if they were SCSI, with names like "sde" |
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| 23:00.36 | amphi | Gnurdux: apparently not |
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| 23:02.58 | Solak | Wyzard: well, when Linux is booted it is /dev/sdb , but grub seems to think that doesn't exist. |
| 23:03.09 | Solak | Wyzard: (grub-install /dev/sdb) |
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| 23:03.55 | Wyzard | Solak: Sounds like grub's device map might be wrong... cat /boot/grub/device.map |
| 23:04.33 | Justin | Solak: is that a problem? just set root=/dev/sdbX |
| 23:04.41 | Solak | (hd0) /dev/hde |
| 23:04.47 | Solak | (hd1) /dev/sda |
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| 23:05.03 | Solak | and the hd0 is the s-ata disk. |
| 23:05.29 | Wyzard | Solak: (hd0) is always the drive the BIOS is configured to boot from |
| 23:05.54 | Wyzard | Solak: The others generally follow in the order they're connected, with PATA drives probably being counted before SATA ones |
| 23:06.10 | Wyzard | Solak: but if your BIOS is configured to boot from the SATA drive, that'll be (hd0) |
| 23:06.20 | Solak | Wyzard: it is. |
| 23:06.36 | Wyzard | Solak: Feel free to fix up that file so the mapping matches your actual BIOS drive enumeration |
| 23:07.16 | Solak | so, my current config is: sdb1 = win2k , sdb2 = / and sdb5 = /home (sdb4 = swap) |
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| 23:07.45 | Solak | but there's hd1 which contains a Linux install and which is configured in grub. |
| 23:08.43 | unsolo | hmm |
| 23:08.44 | Wyzard | Solak: Which is the SATA drive? (Do you actually have an hde?) |
| 23:09.00 | unsolo | is proftpd on amd64 bugged i keep getting segfaults from it |
| 23:09.30 | anapivirtua | night all ! |
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| 23:10.37 | TheZanke | I have a SB Audigy and a USB Headset... is there an easy way to switch between the two? when I boot my PC its on the headset till i alsaconf then it can not find the headset anymore and then just uses the Auidgy.... help please |
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| 23:10.53 | MatBoy | Guys, this is the right way to import a key ? gpg --keyserver http://debian.corsac.net/repository.gpg --recv-keys E7710DEC |
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| 23:11.39 | Justin | MatBoy: /topic |
| 23:11.54 | h3sp4wn | TheZanke: echo options snd-hda-intel index=-2|tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (that is what I did worked flawlessly) but the snd-hda-intel will be replaced by whatever your headset uses) run as root |
| 23:12.54 | ofer0 | tee is the most stupid program on earth. |
| 23:12.59 | Solak | Wyzard: there are two drives in my system: 1 sata and 1 scsi, I moved Debian from the scsi drive to the sata drive. |
| 23:13.06 | MatBoy | Justin, I still get errors when I do a apt-get update |
| 23:13.19 | MatBoy | Public key is not available |
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| 23:13.36 | PingFloyd | ofer0: why do you say that? |
| 23:13.49 | Solak | Wyzard: the sata disk already contained a windows 2000 pro install, but I added partitions for the Debian install. |
| 23:13.59 | ofer0 | PingFloyd, because it's for those who don't know the diff between > and >> in bash. |
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| 23:14.29 | unsolo | No one here who knows if proftp is bugged or not |
| 23:14.30 | TheZanke | h3sp4wn, how do i know what my headset uses? |
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| 23:14.34 | TheZanke | h3sp4wn, =/ |
| 23:14.38 | Wyzard | Solak: OK, so (hd0) should be sdb since that's the drive the BIOS is configured to boot from, and (hd1) should be sda |
| 23:14.38 | ofer0 | unsolo, it is. use vsftpd |
| 23:14.45 | h3sp4wn | TheZanke: lsmod |
| 23:14.50 | unsolo | ok |
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| 23:15.11 | PingFloyd | ofer0: it doesn't have to do with that |
| 23:15.18 | ghata1 | Hey guys, i am trying to install test-netinstall on vmware, it has gone upto mirror select and now "Select and install software" window is stuck at 5% nothing going on? any help... |
| 23:15.35 | unsolo | What does it have to do with then |
| 23:15.45 | Solak | Wyzard: yes. but devices.map now lists the first as hde, which functioned properly (otherwise win2k would never have booted) |
| 23:15.47 | h3sp4wn | TheZanke: (obviously prior to running alsaconf - anything starting with snd- is a possible candidate |
| 23:16.01 | PingFloyd | ofer0: it allows you to tee off to both stdout and a file simultaneously (hence it's name) |
| 23:16.07 | Wyzard | Solak: You don't actually have an hde, right? |
| 23:16.13 | Supaplex | ghata1: does the host have network access? has the guest illistrated network access works? what's the host os? |
| 23:16.17 | unsolo | nvm |
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| 23:16.45 | ofer0 | PingFloyd, man bash |
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| 23:16.52 | PingFloyd | ofer0: example: make 2>&1 | tee somelog |
| 23:17.01 | ofer0 | PingFloyd, you can dup stdout to stderr, then redirect stdout into a file. |
| 23:17.06 | Wyzard | ghata1: I believe that's normal... I haven't installed Debian recently but I did install Ubuntu just an hour ago using the "alternate" install CD, which uses Debian's installer, and it did the same thing |
| 23:17.07 | Solak | Wyzard: if not, how would grub load windows from that drive? |
| 23:17.17 | Wyzard | ghata1: Just wait awhile... it's installing stuff in the background |
| 23:17.34 | PingFloyd | ofer0: you miss the point of tee |
| 23:17.40 | Wyzard | Solak: GRUB knows nothing of "sda", "hde", etc. and doesn't even look at that file at boot time |
| 23:17.54 | ghata1 | Supaplex: yea that is all configured correctly, DHCP assigned address correctly. |
| 23:18.04 | Wyzard | Solak: GRUB at boot time only knows about the BIOS drive enumeration -- (hd0), (hd1), etc. -- and accesses the drives through the BIOS |
| 23:18.10 | ghata1 | Wyzard: hmm... does not seem like much going on, but i am waiting :) |
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| 23:18.36 | Wyzard | Solak: The purpose of device.map is just to tell the user-space "grub" command how the Linux drive names map to the BIOS drive enumeration |
| 23:18.42 | Solak | Wyzard: hmm, grub-install produced some sensible results now I changed hde into sdb :-) |
| 23:19.14 | TheZanke | h3sp4wn, all i get is "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" |
| 23:19.22 | Wyzard | ghata1: If you look through the other virtual consoles you may see some info |
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| 23:20.01 | ghata1 | Wyzard: cant switch, Alt+Ctrl is bound to releasing focus to host :) |
| 23:20.04 | h3sp4wn | TheZanke: That is just letting you know what has been added to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base (should be the last line in it) |
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| 23:20.25 | Wyzard | ghata1: On text consoles you only need Alt... Ctrl-Alt is just for switching out of X |
| 23:20.33 | h3sp4wn | TheZanke: Then try to reboot and it should not grab index 1 |
| 23:20.34 | ghata1 | ahh... |
| 23:21.41 | Guerin | hm, how to tell in software how much ink remains in my hp print0r? |
| 23:21.46 | Guerin | possible, or no? |
| 23:22.01 | Wyzard | Guerin: hplip |
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| 23:22.32 | Solak | Wyzard: but whatever I try, it looks like menu.lst is never updated (it still lists hd1,0 for the groot) |
| 23:22.37 | Guerin | homy mcfucksticks, it's 23MB |
| 23:22.48 | Guerin | Wyzard: cheers |
| 23:22.51 | Wyzard | Guerin: I haven't used it with inkjets, only with lasers, but it reportedly supports a lot of HP printers, and it has a QT-based GUI for looking at printer status |
| 23:22.56 | Wyzard | Solak: grub-install doesn't edit menu.lst |
| 23:23.02 | Guerin | oh, it needs qt |
| 23:23.04 | Wyzard | Solak: grub-install just puts GRUB in the MBR |
| 23:23.05 | Guerin | i see the problem |
| 23:23.17 | the_master | hey I can getting this error when trying to load glx. how can I tell what conflicting? http://rafb.net/p/9XZ8MI93.html |
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| 23:23.33 | Solak | Wyzard: but update-grub does? |
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| 23:24.02 | Wyzard | Solak: yeah, update-grub is a script that regenerates menu.lst based on the special comments found within |
| 23:24.13 | chuck_ | anyone know what repository (what lines i'd have to add to sources.list) I can get lirc from? |
| 23:24.18 | stoned | the_master: you are using nvidia driver? |
| 23:24.22 | Wyzard | Solak: You edit the special comments manually, then run update-grub to regenerate the boot entries |
| 23:24.24 | transgress | a switch can give out an IP right? |
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| 23:24.32 | Solak | Wyzard: hmm, it seems I have to manualy edit the menu.lst... |
| 23:24.39 | Wyzard | transgress: No, an Ethernet switch has nothing to do with IP addresses |
| 23:24.40 | xand | chuck_: the normal ones? |
| 23:24.47 | Wyzard | Solak: You do |
| 23:24.52 | transgress | i see |
| 23:24.53 | the_master | stoned, I was having problems with the debian ones and tried the offical one then tried to load glx again. |
| 23:24.53 | stoned | the_master: you have nvidia-glx? |
| 23:25.08 | the_master | I do, |
| 23:25.13 | chuck_ | xand: i just did a fresh install, and apt-get install lirc can't find package lirc |
| 23:25.16 | Wyzard | Solak: update-grub just regenerates the boot entries using the options from those special kernels, and the kernel files currently found in /boot |
| 23:25.26 | the_master | stoned how do I uninstall the offical drivers? |
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| 23:25.41 | Guerin | bah, stupid hplip can't detect my printer |
| 23:26.30 | Wyzard | transgress: However, there are devices that hand out IP addresses and contain built-in Ethernet switches, like most broadband "router" appliances |
| 23:26.34 | stoned | the_master: you don't have to, you can just use nv if you want. there is an --uninstall option for nvidia binary drivers. for ones compiled with module assistant, you just rmmod and remove the package that was built/installed |
| 23:26.39 | stoned | the_master: read nvidia docs |
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| 23:27.06 | stoned | the_master: do you have the file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so |
| 23:27.16 | stoned | or a symlink for it |
| 23:28.01 | h3sp4wn | the_master: I would go for using 9746 from experimental if you are using etch (/msg dpkg simple sid backport) the source package is nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 23:28.10 | transgress | Wyzard: okay so switches just send out the data on the lan based on MAC address? while the router connects from one network to another right? |
| 23:28.20 | the_master | its a symlink |
| 23:28.21 | Wyzard | transgress: right |
| 23:28.34 | the_master | stoned its a symlink |
| 23:29.06 | transgress | so for an intranet do you even have to have IPs? or could it all be done by mac addresses? |
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| 23:29.13 | the_master | I am using sid. |
| 23:29.32 | transgress | err a LAN |
| 23:29.32 | stoned | the_master: more than likely it is caused by a kernel module and kernel versions not matching maybe |
| 23:29.33 | Wyzard | transgress: No, you need IP addresses... all the software uses IP addresses |
| 23:29.46 | transgress | ah okay |
| 23:29.51 | stoned | the_master: how did you install the nvidia module? |
| 23:29.52 | the_master | I have seen that error before. |
| 23:29.57 | the_master | but this is different. |
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| 23:30.10 | the_master | how can I tell what versons of both do I have? |
| 23:30.25 | Wyzard | transgress: Hosts on the network use a protocol called ARP to look up the MAC address corresponding to a given IP address, and use that to send the IP packet over the Ethernet |
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| 23:30.29 | stoned | uname -r |
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| 23:30.43 | stoned | as for nvidia kernel, depends on where/how you installed it from |
| 23:30.43 | Solak | Wyzard: ok, I edited menu.lst, but after running update-grub all settings, except the groot's, were restored :( |
| 23:30.46 | h3sp4wn | the_master: If you are using sid you can take nvidia-glx from experimental non-free without bothered to do a backport |
| 23:30.48 | Christoph_vW | does anyone have experience with the Gigabyte i-RAM on Linux? does it work? |
| 23:31.08 | transgress | Wyzard: you explain this much better than the networking book i'm reading currently. thanks. |
| 23:31.10 | Wyzard | Solak: What part of menu.lst did you edit? You need to edit the special comments that begin with "##" |
| 23:31.15 | transgress | Wyzard: right me a book. |
| 23:31.20 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 23:31.26 | transgress | err write |
| 23:31.31 | Christoph_vW | I need a ramdisk with at least 4GB in my servers - but FB-DIMMs are a little bit expensive |
| 23:31.38 | Wyzard | Solak: update-grub takes the options from those "##" lines and puts them into the parts that it generates |
| 23:32.05 | Wyzard | Solak: oops, sorry, the actual config lines only have a single "#" |
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| 23:32.48 | Solak | Wyzard: yes, so it put hd0,1 instead of hd1,0 but changed the sdb into sda again. |
| 23:33.13 | Wyzard | transgress: ARP is for local delivery only, though... for IP addresses that aren't on the local network, there's no corresponding MAC address, so you can't just ARP for them |
| 23:33.30 | Solak | and since 'device.map' now lists hd0 as sdb and hd1 as sda... |
| 23:33.32 | Wyzard | Solak: update-grub doesn't look at the device map; the "groot" option has nothing to do with sdb vs. sda |
| 23:33.40 | Wyzard | Solak: Edit the "kopt=" line for that |
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| 23:34.17 | Wyzard | transgress: For a destination IP that's not on the local network, the host's routing table tells it to use a router, which *is* on the local network |
| 23:34.22 | mook | I just switched from ubuntu on this Dell laptop but now my sound doesn't work |
| 23:34.27 | mook | It worked in Ubuntu |
| 23:34.30 | Wyzard | transgress: so it gets the router's IP from the routing table, ARPs for that, and sends the packet to it |
| 23:34.41 | mook | And it's all unmuted in alsamixer and everything |
| 23:34.55 | dondelelcaro | mook: if you can see the mixer in alsamixer, then it's probably working |
| 23:35.19 | Solak | Wyzard: ah, that works. thanks! |
| 23:35.24 | Solak | time for a reboot :-) |
| 23:35.49 | Ubuh-Huntuh | is there a way to find out which version my usb controller is? by looking at dmesg or similar files. |
| 23:35.57 | dondelelcaro | mook: since there won't be a mixer unless the driver found the soundcard; most likely one of the levels are set, it's the wrong soundcard, or one of the outputs is muted. |
| 23:36.00 | mook | dondelelcaro: Well I hear nothing when I try to play audio files, etc. and I get system beeps from my PC speaker every once in a while (like when GDM starts up or I hit delete in xterm at a empty prompt) |
| 23:36.09 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: "lspci" and look for "UHCI", "OHCI", and/or "EHCI" |
| 23:36.19 | dondelelcaro | mook: the term bell doesn't use a soundcard, so that's a bit different. |
| 23:36.25 | unsolo | anyone know a good free dns service ? |
| 23:36.49 | mook | dondelelcaro: Okay well Master and PCM are 100% up and unmuted in alsamixer |
| 23:36.57 | streuner_ | What's wrong with your ISP DNS? |
| 23:36.58 | Ubuh-Huntuh | i dont see any of those uhci/ohci/ehci |
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| 23:37.02 | Wyzard | unsolo: Do you mean a registrar for buying domains? Or a resolver for looking up hostnames? |
| 23:37.14 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: lspci | grep USB |
| 23:37.22 | dondelelcaro | mook: and the line out or speaker outputs are unmuted as well? Are you sure you're looking at the right mixer device? what are you using to play things? |
| 23:37.29 | Ubuh-Huntuh | it says USB2 controller |
| 23:37.42 | Kevin` | I know a really good dns host, but I can't seem to remember the name of it :/ |
| 23:37.42 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: but it doesn't say EHCI? |
| 23:37.48 | streuner_ | unsolo: dyndns.org |
| 23:37.55 | mook | I'm using mutiple applications to test audio output and none of them work (even though each app's volume is all the way up) |
| 23:38.03 | streuner_ | unsolo: if you mean that... |
| 23:38.05 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: Anyway, EHCI is USB 2.0, and UHCI and OHCI are different implementations of USB 1.x |
| 23:38.21 | mook | I don't see line out or speaker entries in alsamixer or alsamixergui... should I use another mixer? |
| 23:38.27 | unsolo | resolver which means i am looking for a nameserver |
| 23:38.34 | unsolo | sorry for bad questioning |
| 23:38.35 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: If your system supports USB2 you'll have EHCI *plus* either UHCI or OHCI |
| 23:38.45 | Ubuh-Huntuh | USB Controller: Intel Corporation 6300ESB USB2 Enhanced Host Controller (rev 02) <- all it says |
| 23:39.03 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: ah... "Enhanced Host Controller" is EHCI |
| 23:39.09 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: Enhanced Host Controller Interface |
| 23:40.01 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: If you're using udev on etch or sid the necessary modules have probably been loaded already, so you can just "lsmod | grep hcd" |
| 23:40.12 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: You'll see "ehci_hcd" and either "uhci_hcd" or "ohci_hcd" |
| 23:40.47 | streuner_ | unsole: most users are just satisfied with there ISP DNS servers... |
| 23:40.58 | Guerin | heh, i found a way to crash evince |
| 23:40.58 | streuner_ | unsolo: ^^^ |
| 23:41.02 | Wyzard | unsolo: Your ISP almost certainly provides one |
| 23:41.14 | Kevin` | for dns lookups, I run my own server. there |
| 23:41.29 | Kevin` | for dns lookups, I run my own server. there's no point in using one from outside of your isp, it will just be slower |
| 23:41.30 | Guerin | try to print a pdf, and where it says `print pages:' enter a larger number in the first box and a smaller number in the second |
| 23:41.33 | unsolo | the ISP at hand provided 2 which doesnt work and a static ip on a SDSL line.. furtunately im not paying.. |
| 23:41.33 | Wyzard | unsolo: and if you get your IP address via DHCP, you get their nameserver address at the same time as you get your IP address, so it should be configured automatically |
| 23:41.41 | mook | dondelelcaro: Is there some package I might be missing perhaps? |
| 23:41.44 | Kevin` | unless it's something like 4.2.2.4 for setting things up when you can't remember a dns server |
| 23:41.44 | dondelelcaro | mook: use a paste site to paste the output of 'amixer contents;' |
| 23:41.44 | streuner_ | unsolo: just keep another DNS entry *always* handy in /etc/hosts, because if sometime this DNS server is down you're fucked... |
| 23:41.45 | Guerin | assertion `n_pages > 0' failed |
| 23:42.01 | mook | k |
| 23:42.12 | streuner_ | unsolo: s/hosts/resol.conf/ |
| 23:42.18 | Guerin | disappointing, because I just wanted it to print the damn document in *reverse* order |
| 23:42.31 | dondelelcaro | mook: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp; is pretty much it. |
| 23:42.36 | unsolo | i know where they are i was wondering if someone had a couple of global stable ones laying around |
| 23:42.37 | Justin | Guerin: cups can probably do that |
| 23:42.49 | the_master | h3sp4wm what deb do I download to get that? |
| 23:42.51 | streuner_ | unsolo: also, keep the most important entries always in /etc/hosts |
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| 23:43.03 | mook | dondelelcaro: Pretty much what? |
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| 23:43.19 | Guerin | cups can print a pdf directly? |
| 23:43.29 | dondelelcaro | mook: if that doesn't produce sound, then it's nothing to do with an application. |
| 23:43.32 | Wyzard | Guerin: yeah, it has its own filtering system |
| 23:43.36 | Guerin | mm |
| 23:43.43 | Guerin | does it do a good job? |
| 23:43.44 | streuner_ | Guerin: not directly, but over an app. |
| 23:43.46 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: a2ps may be able to reverse it using the -a option |
| 23:43.49 | Ubuh-Huntuh | wyzard: yes lsmod gives me one uhci_hcd and one ehci_hcd: so ehci is for the usb2 then? |
| 23:43.55 | streuner_ | Guerin: cups-pdf |
| 23:43.56 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: yes |
| 23:43.59 | Guerin | ah well |
| 23:44.09 | tzafrir_laptop | isn't there a filter to convert PDF to ps? |
| 23:44.13 | mook | dondelelcaro: "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy" |
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| 23:44.14 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: For USB 1.x, btw, Intel uses UHCI but most other vendors use OHCI |
| 23:44.17 | xand | pdf2ps? |
| 23:44.27 | Ubuh-Huntuh | wyzard: do you know if they usually put the connectors for usb2 in front of the server or in the back? I see 2 in front and 2 in the back. |
| 23:44.36 | PoisonGas | PIPEFUCT #rubyonrails,#mysql -> #debian,#kubuntu < brad561k > olinux i opened all ports from 1500 to 8000 |
| 23:44.39 | PoisonGas | PIPEFUCT #rubyonrails,#mysql -> #debian,#kubuntu < njero > Bongo-apan: not anytime soon... but I am writing some about how to do XMLish things in Railsy kinds of ways |
| 23:44.42 | PoisonGas | PIPEFUCT #rubyonrails,#mysql -> #debian,#kubuntu < brad561k > and i did the Grant all |
| 23:44.47 | PoisonGas | PIPEFUCT #rubyonrails,#mysql -> #debian,#kubuntu < brad561k > still no goe |
| 23:44.49 | PoisonGas | PIPEFUCT #rubyonrails,#mysql -> #debian,#kubuntu < brad561k > go* |
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| 23:45.03 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: If the system has a USB2 controller, most likely all the ports are USB2-capable |
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| 23:45.06 | streuner_ | what a moron |
| 23:45.12 | mook | dondelelcaro: Ah nevermind I cosed Amarok and that error went away... but I still don't hear anything |
| 23:45.23 | Ubuh-Huntuh | kk ty |
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| 23:45.45 | dondelelcaro | mook: yeah, we need the output from amixer controls; the soundcard is most likely working properly. |
| 23:45.47 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: You dont' have some USB1 ports and some USB2 ports... they can be both supported on the same port, so that's pretty much always how it's done |
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| 23:46.11 | Ubuh-Huntuh | k |
| 23:46.59 | tzafrir_laptop | Ubuh-Huntuh, what seems to be the issue? |
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| 23:48.22 | tzafrir_laptop | Ubuh-Huntuh, I encountered some cases where the front connector was not usable for decent USB2 usage due to lack of proper masking of the USB wire inside the case. |
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| 23:49.35 | mook | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.co.uk/10291 |
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| 23:55.01 | Solak | Wyzard: ok, it works! Thanks for the help! |
| 23:55.03 | yipstar | hello, how can i tell what kernel modules are required in my initial ramdisk for the kernel to see my root partition? |
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| 23:56.00 | Wyzard | Solak: cool :-) |
| 23:56.01 | the_master | stoned after I uninstalled the offical drivers glx no loads, but it cant find nv |
| 23:56.11 | the_master | now loads I mean |
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| 23:58.56 | Solak | hmmm. odd... my external usb drive doesn't mount at startup anymore. |
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| 23:59.20 | Solak | but that's the only thing so far that is different from the old install. |
