| 00:00.50 | loiic_ | fsmunoz: checking htop at the moment, but i more looking for something with a web interface |
| 00:00.55 | fsmunoz | Ahhh |
| 00:00.58 | fsmunoz | loiic_, cacti |
| 00:01.27 | fsmunoz | loiic_, although this is aimed at viewing many servers.... |
| 00:01.31 | fsmunoz | And uses SNMP. |
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| 00:02.10 | fsmunoz | For a single server web is overkill, so almsot all of this apps (cacti, orca) will be designed for a server park |
| 00:02.10 | loiic_ | fsmunoz: thanks, gonna have a look at that, i have 3 servers so i might make sense to deplay SNMP anyway |
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| 00:02.24 | fsmunoz | loiic_, orca doesn't use SNMP btw. |
| 00:02.26 | fsmunoz | ok |
| 00:02.50 | Azar | loiic_: not sure if that what you need, try gkrellm |
| 00:03.03 | olsen | in which group should my user be for use X? |
| 00:03.06 | olsen | or for start X |
| 00:03.34 | Azar | your user? |
| 00:03.37 | olsen | yes |
| 00:03.42 | Azar | remote or local? |
| 00:03.45 | olsen | local |
| 00:03.57 | loiic_ | thanks Azar but gkrellm is not exactly what i am looking for |
| 00:03.59 | Azar | I guess he only has to type "startx" |
| 00:04.06 | olsen | Azar: i did that |
| 00:04.10 | abrotman | !tell eyeris about rfp |
| 00:04.27 | JordiGH | I forget, how do I find out the exact url apt is downloading? |
| 00:04.30 | Azar | olsen: so you say that X can only be started as root? |
| 00:04.30 | olsen | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 00:04.36 | olsen | Azar: yes |
| 00:04.37 | enouf | loiic_: dunno if you want a daemon .. perhaps check out conky or .. "/msg dpkg search" will tell you a way to find stuff |
| 00:04.37 | fsmunoz | loiic_, btw, the orca that I'm talking about is better googled by "orcaware" |
| 00:04.52 | Azar | olsen: hmm not sure, group video? |
| 00:04.57 | olsen | Azar: im in that group |
| 00:05.13 | olsen | diego : diego dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 00:05.15 | zamuro | plays: "Disco - Salsoul Orchestra & Charo - Cuchi Cuchi .mp3" |
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| 00:05.27 | Azar | I am in video, cdrom , audio |
| 00:06.04 | Azar | zamuro: we don't really care ? |
| 00:06.24 | olsen | Azar: found the problem, i was trying to startx on a screen window |
| 00:06.30 | Azar | :P |
| 00:06.34 | rpc | cuchi cuchi? |
| 00:06.49 | olsen | Azar: but i can startx on a screen window just fine in slackware, weird |
| 00:06.59 | zamuro | Azar: I know ^_^ |
| 00:07.31 | Azar | olsen: eh slackware... |
| 00:08.04 | Azar | olsen: the way I read around, you should not be able to startx as root, security issues |
| 00:08.14 | Wyzard | olsen: I believe Debian's startx is configured by default to restrict permission to "console users only" |
| 00:08.28 | Wyzard | olsen: and within a screen session, it can't tell whether you're on a console |
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| 00:09.02 | olsen | ok |
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| 00:10.10 | pickcoder | oh.. so _now_ I find out that it takes 24+ hours to review the dump logs and determine if a restoration script can be created for a RAID array |
| 00:10.32 | pickcoder | I've been sitting here waiting for no reason, when I could have a running box by now |
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| 00:12.23 | Wyzard | olsen: It's possible to change that setting by dpkg-reconfiguring something, probably xbase-clients since that's what contains startx |
| 00:13.11 | amphi | Wyzard: xserver-common IIRC |
| 00:14.12 | Wyzard | pickcoder: a "restoration script" for a RAID array? |
| 00:14.12 | stew | or just edit /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
| 00:14.19 | stew | in etch its dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 00:15.09 | stew | pickcoder: just be thankful you at least have a decent tech support department to talk to at all. imagine if you did this with a promise controller |
| 00:15.55 | olsen | Wyzard: ok |
| 00:16.08 | olsen | Wyzard: thanks |
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| 00:17.43 | pickcoder | stew: at this point, I would have been better off just re-installing after it happened |
| 00:17.59 | pickcoder | I'm just pissed off that the original tech didn't tell me that it would take 24 hours to review the data |
| 00:18.09 | pickcoder | it's not like it's my gaming machine |
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| 00:19.25 | Azar | at my workplace we don't have any specialized IT around all systems are left to whomever wants to fix them "by the ear" or by calling tech support. Nobody has time to do it so I do try to fix issues when I bump into accounting problems... nobody cares |
| 00:19.36 | stew | yay, time to make the valentine's fundue! |
| 00:19.46 | Guerin | stew: that sounds painful |
| 00:19.50 | stew | nah |
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| 00:19.57 | Azar | chocolate dipped strawberries and champaigne |
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| 00:20.13 | Guerin | is that what they call them now, `strawberries' |
| 00:20.23 | stew | bread and potatoes dipped in blue cheese and fondue + chanpagne actually |
| 00:20.34 | stew | err s/fondue/brie/ |
| 00:20.44 | abrotman | champagne ? |
| 00:21.02 | Azar | hmm that does not sound so appetizing |
| 00:21.04 | stew | fine, sparkling muscat |
| 00:21.11 | robin_sz | there are three things you need to really make your valentines night go well ... assuming you can persuade the girl of your dreams to date you .. |
| 00:21.11 | abrotman | there's a place near me that makes Sam Adams Fondue and serves it with bread and green apples |
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| 00:21.18 | pickcoder | muscat desert wine? |
| 00:21.20 | robin_sz | 1) roses. roses always work wonders ... |
| 00:21.30 | robin_sz | 2) champagne. its essential |
| 00:21.44 | robin_sz | 3) rohypnol |
| 00:21.54 | stew | i'm sure someone is cursing me in flemish right now for making fondue with something other than emnthaller and gruyere |
| 00:21.54 | Wyzard | lol |
| 00:21.54 | Azar | heck what's wrong with a six pack of good guiness beer? |
| 00:22.24 | pickcoder | stew: yeah.. gruyere or swiss and white wine.. heathen! |
| 00:22.29 | Azar | then take a viagra pill split it in two and have a sparkling party |
| 00:22.39 | robin_sz | Azar, becuae good Guiness doesnt come in 6 packs, it comes in glasses? |
| 00:23.01 | Wyzard | Azar: Speaking of Viagra, I got a pretty funny spam today |
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| 00:23.04 | Azar | heck at the grocery store on the corner of my street I get six pack guiness |
| 00:23.12 | robin_sz | of guiness yes |
| 00:23.13 | Wyzard | "Viagra: Take the blue pill... and I show you how far the rabbit hole goes..." |
| 00:23.18 | robin_sz | but not _good_ guiness |
| 00:23.18 | Azar | hahahaha |
| 00:23.19 | abrotman | Azar: yes .. that's nice .. it's not real guniess :) |
| 00:23.40 | Azar | ok im gonna try wholefoods next time to find the real guiness |
| 00:23.52 | abrotman | try a bar |
| 00:24.01 | esizkur | Dpkg java |
| 00:24.01 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 00:24.08 | robin_sz | real guiness has to be drunk either in, or in sight of ireland |
| 00:24.08 | Azar | hmmmm can't smoke in a bar... |
| 00:24.09 | pickcoder | s/bar/pub |
| 00:24.28 | Azar | I take all ingestive items at home and feel free to smoke |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | Azar: how old are you ? |
| 00:24.38 | Azar | 28 |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | and you live in Cali ? |
| 00:24.58 | robin_sz | pah , youngster |
| 00:25.12 | Azar | hmmmm soon to be 30 not so youngin |
| 00:25.18 | stew | pickcoder: at least i have gherkins |
| 00:25.18 | hatter | I have just installed etch with s/w raid1 and the desktop environment. the 'computer' icon shows up the /dev/sda partitions, then clicking on the /dev/sd partition says it cannot mount, (because its actually an md device) |
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| 00:25.47 | pickcoder | stew: heh.. just don't forget to rub the fondue pot with a garlic clove |
| 00:25.53 | Wyzard | hmm... I thought that bug was fixed |
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| 00:26.19 | hatter | I think this shouldn't happen, it show the md devices, where should i note this ? the d-i list ? |
| 00:26.29 | pickcoder | hatter: did you use the daily build? |
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| 00:26.43 | hatter | pickcoder: its less than a week old |
| 00:27.05 | hatter | i will go and mount it and check, is there a file in there to to tell me how old it is ? |
| 00:27.11 | Wyzard | hatter: Does the file /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/debian-storage-policy-fixed-drives.fdi exist? |
| 00:27.28 | hatter | i will checj |
| 00:27.32 | olsen | is there a way to install the nvidia 9xxx series driver? |
| 00:27.37 | pickcoder | hatter: the reason I ask is that there is an install report for the daily build. it's on the d-i web page |
| 00:27.43 | olsen | with apt |
| 00:27.59 | Wyzard | olsen: It's in experimental |
| 00:28.21 | olsen | Wyzard: ex |
| 00:28.25 | olsen | screen -r |
| 00:28.31 | olsen | ups |
| 00:28.35 | olsen | experimental? |
| 00:28.41 | stew | pickcoder: done |
| 00:28.54 | Wyzard | !tell olsen about experimental |
| 00:29.01 | stew | pickcoder: (cmon, do i sound like a beginner at this?) :P |
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| 00:29.28 | olsen | can i use experimental packages in etch? |
| 00:29.38 | streuner | no |
| 00:29.38 | Wyzard | olsen: probably |
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| 00:29.41 | abrotman | you can .. at your own risk |
| 00:29.47 | streuner | !tell olsen about experimental |
| 00:30.28 | Wyzard | olsen: All experimental stuff is at your own risk, of course, but in this case it's not that the maintainer thinks it's unsafe for use; it's just being held there to avoid interfering with the etch release |
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| 00:30.36 | hatter | wyzard: yes, this file exists |
| 00:30.58 | olsen | Wyzard: ok |
| 00:30.59 | pickcoder | stew: nah.. if you can turn blue cheese and muscat into a good fondue, then I'd like a few instructions myself |
| 00:31.06 | streuner | Wyzard: are you care that those stuff isn't even unstable? |
| 00:31.11 | Wyzard | hatter: The policy specified in that file is supposed to make HAL (and therefore GNOME) ignore non-removable drives |
| 00:31.29 | Wyzard | streuner: I'm using it... it's no less stable than the one in sid |
| 00:31.35 | hatter | wyzard: how do i check which build it is ? |
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| 00:31.53 | Wyzard | streuner: It's just being staged in experimental until after etch is released, like GNOME 2.16 is |
| 00:32.03 | streuner | Wyzard: amen |
| 00:32.47 | hatter | hmmm, weird, i cant ssh into this box either, it is access denying me with the standard user |
| 00:33.05 | Wyzard | hatter: sshd isn't installed by default |
| 00:33.09 | hatter | i am getting the login prompt, and have logged in with this user at the terminal |
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| 00:33.16 | hatter | ssh is installed |
| 00:33.37 | hatter | logged in with gnome that is |
| 00:33.49 | Harley^ | I own many true type font. On other versions of Linux a user can simply create a .font directory and put all the true type fonts in that directory and they will be available in X. How is this done in Debian Etch AMD64 ? |
| 00:34.40 | Wyzard | Harley^: The directory is ~/.fonts, and I believe you have to run "fc-cache" after adding fonts, before they'll be "noticed" |
| 00:34.48 | hatter | i made a new user and it let me in with ssh |
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| 00:35.13 | Wyzard | hatter: Does your first user have a blank password? |
| 00:35.20 | hatter | wyzard |
| 00:35.24 | hatter | Wyzard: no |
| 00:35.31 | hatter | also, now i cannot su |
| 00:35.33 | Wyzard | dunno then |
| 00:35.53 | hatter | can you make ssh only allow one user to be logged in ? |
| 00:36.20 | Guerin | hatter: nttbomk |
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| 00:37.25 | abrotman | one user at a time .. or just one user ? |
| 00:37.49 | hatter | one user at a time |
| 00:38.06 | hatter | strange happenings. I can login with user at the gnome terminal, but not with putty |
| 00:38.24 | hatter | i can login with new test user created from putty |
| 00:38.29 | hatter | but then cannot su |
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| 00:38.43 | hatter | i can su from the within the gnome terminal |
| 00:38.51 | enouf | isn't homogenization wonderful? |
| 00:39.11 | Wyzard | hatter: Stop sshd ("/etc/init.d/sshd stop") and then run it manually from a root shell in debug mode ("sshd -ddd") |
| 00:39.24 | Wyzard | hatter: Then try to connect to it, and you'll get lots of diagnostic messages from sshd in the terminal where you ran it |
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| 00:41.29 | evilbulgarian | hi, how can i clear the lease timeout on ip's do i just restart dhcp server or just remove the /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases |
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| 00:41.49 | Wyzard | evilbulgarian: "clear the lease timeout" ? |
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| 00:41.54 | Wyzard | evilbulgarian: What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 00:42.41 | simprix | What package provides dpkg-reconfigure |
| 00:42.42 | evilbulgarian | Wyzard: well some ip's were given out and now we have ran out of ip's in the pool so i would like to reset the lease timout on all ip's forcing everyone to get new ips' |
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| 00:43.10 | Wyzard | If you stop the DHCP server and then delete dhcpd.leases, that'll make the server forget all the leases and consider all the addresses to be available again |
| 00:43.16 | Wyzard | but it won't make the clients actually stop using them |
| 00:43.21 | xand | evilbulgarian: dont think you can |
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| 00:43.54 | Wyzard | IPv6 DHCP supports sending out a "you are now expired" message to clients, but not IPv4 DHCP |
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| 00:44.23 | Wyzard | sounds like you should shorten your lease time in dhcpd.conf so you don't run into this situation again, though |
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| 00:45.20 | Wyzard | and if you're using BOOTP, avoid using BOOTP... those leases never expire |
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| 00:47.23 | pickcoder | I normally set dhcp licenses to 60 minutes |
| 00:47.30 | pickcoder | an hour is plenty of concurrent time |
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| 00:47.39 | Eulex | is it possible to make less able to use 256 colors? |
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| 00:48.15 | Wyzard | I use 24 hours for my own machines that are recognized by MAC address and get fixed IPs, and 60 minutes for "guests" |
| 00:48.16 | abrotman | don't think so |
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| 00:49.47 | enouf | man dhcpd-bin ? |
| 00:51.27 | enouf | Eulex: not that I know, but in an xterm? (should be easy) .. or just the TTYs (VTs/VCs) ? |
| 00:51.55 | mike1980 | I want to do a netinstall all I have is a cdrom no floppy and a wireless pcmcia can I do it? |
| 00:52.29 | Guerin | mike1980: goodbye-microsoft.com might work |
| 00:53.11 | Eulex | enouf, well, I just piped a 256color test to less and it all came out garbled |
| 00:53.11 | Hatter2 | wyzard: it saying failed password, though i can login from the gnome termial |
| 00:53.26 | fsmunoz | Guerin, wasn0t aware of that site... brilliant |
| 00:53.31 | mike1980 | Guerin: hmm ok thanks what dose that actualyy do |
| 00:53.44 | Eulex | enouf, seems like less modifies ESC sequences in some way |
| 00:54.06 | mike1980 | Guerin: so I have to have windows right? |
| 00:54.23 | Eulex | enouf, ah, found it, -r |
| 00:54.43 | pickcoder | mike1980: burn a netinstall CD and boot it |
| 00:54.50 | Hatter2 | but now that i changed the password away from alphanumerics it is letting me in |
| 00:55.01 | Hatter2 | keyboard settings ? |
| 00:55.10 | Hatter2 | maybe keyboard layout |
| 00:55.16 | abrotman | pickcoder: read |
| 00:55.20 | mike1980 | pickcoder: ya already did that |
| 00:55.40 | robin_sz | away from alphnumerics? |
| 00:55.46 | mike1980 | can I run goodbye-microsoft.com from DOS? |
| 00:55.49 | robin_sz | to what? |
| 00:55.53 | pickcoder | Hatter2: I ran into that problem before and it had to do with the authentication methods |
| 00:55.56 | abrotman | mike1980: no |
| 00:56.29 | mike1980 | abrotman: I did a base install but there just to many packages I need to get ndiswrapper goin |
| 00:56.30 | enouf | Eulex: congrats .. you know more about it than I ..heh |
| 00:56.33 | hatter | pickcoder: the weird thing is being able to login with that username and password from the gnome terminal, but not from putty |
| 00:56.44 | abrotman | mike1980: so get CD1 instead |
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| 00:57.05 | pickcoder | hatter: make sure PasswordAuthentication is set to "yes" in sshd_config |
| 00:57.06 | mike1980 | abrotman: is Ndiswrapper on CD1 ? |
| 00:57.22 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 00:57.22 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 00:57.34 | pickcoder | hatter: then restart sshd |
| 00:57.44 | robin_sz | hatter, are you trying to ssh in as root? |
| 00:57.45 | mike1980 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 00:59.43 | Eclipser | anyone know if m-audio revolution 7.1 works fine with alsa? |
| 00:59.47 | enouf | mike1980: also see ndiswrapper.sf.net .. or buy a real NIC/PCMCIA card ;-) |
| 01:00.10 | hatter | robin_sz: no |
| 01:00.22 | mike1980 | enouf: ok thanks lol I have a linksys now |
| 01:00.52 | mike1980 | I think all I nedd is cd1 |
| 01:00.55 | hatter | pickcoder: passworduathentication was commented out by default, but i could login with new user created : test, pass: test |
| 01:01.19 | hatter | now that it is uncommented: same, cannot login with alphanumeric password |
| 01:01.29 | pickcoder | is it set to "yes" |
| 01:01.36 | mike1980 | that http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ is realy cool |
| 01:01.37 | hatter | pickcoder: it is now |
| 01:01.46 | pickcoder | b/c I can't login via SSH using a terminal client unless that is set to yes |
| 01:01.49 | pickcoder | I get password errors |
| 01:02.02 | hatter | pickcoder: but i can, with the 'test' user |
| 01:02.25 | karsten | mike1980: Innit jes? |
| 01:02.39 | enouf | mike1980: there are ppl working on making it work with legacy win9x systems, but it may take a while .. or maybe not ;-) |
| 01:02.49 | mike1980 | cool |
| 01:02.57 | mike1980 | ok thanks everyone for your help |
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| 01:05.01 | Hatter2 | what is appletalk services ? |
| 01:05.35 | enouf | Hatter2: it's netatalk crap .. if you have no apple, you don;t need it .. afaik |
| 01:05.40 | karsten | Hatter2: It's a protocol used by Apple on the original Mac platform. |
| 01:06.04 | karsten | Hatter2: Not sure it's even still used in the current generation (OS X) of Mac. |
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| 01:06.20 | Hatter2 | installed by default in etch |
| 01:06.25 | Hatter2 | or attached to something else ? |
| 01:06.31 | enouf | Hatter2: it'll install the atrocious zeroconf, which will be your bane for weeks, doling out 169.255.x.x addys, if dhcp falls down |
| 01:06.47 | enouf | Hatter2: what? |
| 01:06.51 | Hatter2 | i didnt ask for it... |
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| 01:06.57 | enouf | Hatter2: did youi tasksel Server? |
| 01:07.06 | simprix | the debian postgresql package does that listen on a different port |
| 01:07.16 | Hatter2 | etch netinst with webserver, fileserver, desktop, mail server |
| 01:07.24 | enouf | that's why .. |
| 01:07.34 | Hatter2 | tasksel server wasnt a choice |
| 01:07.46 | enouf | only 3 choices :-P |
| 01:08.05 | GeorgeS069 | I think the "fileserver" selects it |
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| 01:09.00 | Hatter2 | this ssh problem |
| 01:09.07 | Wyzard | enouf: What's wrong with having a link-local IP if DHCP fails? |
| 01:09.18 | Hatter2 | is only with alphanumerics when loggin in via putty |
| 01:09.39 | Wyzard | enouf: Ideally you should have a link-local (169.*) address in addition to your DHCP address too |
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| 01:10.23 | enouf | Hatter2: it's fileserver's fault tasksel --task-packages file-server |
| 01:11.52 | enouf | Wyzard: it confuddles everyone .. and I just don't like it .. but that's IMHO .. it sinks it's claws into something it's got no business being a part of (as default IMHO) |
| 01:12.31 | Hatter2 | enouf: ah, there it is, geez, i haven't heard of it b4 |
| 01:12.32 | Wyzard | enouf: FWIW, in IPv6, interfaces always have link-local addresses automatically, regardless of whether they also have "real" addresses |
| 01:12.58 | Hatter2 | how do i dpkg-reconfigure keboard layout ? |
| 01:13.02 | enouf | Hatter2: you could always later uninstall it ... whatever |
| 01:13.21 | Hatter2 | enouf: yep |
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| 01:13.36 | enouf | Wyzard: you're way ahead of me .. I'm just disgrunteled from past bad experiences is all ;-) |
| 01:15.11 | Hatter2 | how can i tell which build this etch installer is ? |
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| 01:15.55 | enouf | Hatter2: grep "something" /var/log/installer/syslog and others .. give me a sec |
| 01:16.30 | Hatter2 | etch's gnome is very pretty |
| 01:17.43 | enouf | Hatter2: grep "Debian" /var/log/installer/syslog will spit out lines like "Linux version 2.6.17-2-486 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901" |
| 01:18.20 | abrotman | there's an installer log in /var/log/ |
| 01:18.27 | enouf | Hatter2: grep "GNU" /var/log/installer/syslog like so --> Detected CD 'Debian GNU/Linux testing "Etch" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-1 (20061110) |
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| 01:19.28 | Hatter2 | 11 Feb |
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| 01:20.22 | Hatter2 | enouf: thx, should i notify somewhere about /dev/sda drives showing up instead of the md drives ? |
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| 01:21.18 | enouf | Hatter2: yes .. file and installation report |
| 01:21.23 | enouf | er an* |
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| 01:22.21 | enouf | Hatter2: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apa.html and make sure you read the Errata, and install guide from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 01:24.11 | hatter | goddam how annoying is the automatic updates in windows wanting to restart the computer ever ten minutes after updates.... grrrr |
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| 01:25.44 | hatter | enouf: thx i am reading it now |
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| 01:29.13 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2006/20061113 (Etch RC1) .. ask me about <d-i> |
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| 01:30.26 | enouf | abrotman: Wyzard , stew , et al please see and adjust (I newly created) --> /msg dpkg d-i-report .. thanks |
| 01:30.28 | olsen | hm, seems that konqueror doesnt support png well, do i need to install a png library or something? |
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| 01:30.41 | olsen | i get the images as black pixels |
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| 01:31.29 | mptech | can the debian installer non-destructively resize fat32 partitions? |
| 01:31.41 | mptech | with great emphasis on non-destructively ;-) |
| 01:32.00 | sparr | im gonna venture a yes... |
| 01:32.09 | sparr | i know the *ubuntu installers can, and *parted can |
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| 01:32.19 | sparr | i assume that debian isnt backwards enough to still be using something that cant |
| 01:32.36 | hatter | mptech: why not use something you know *definitely* works, for your own peace of mind |
| 01:33.19 | enouf | mptech: not that I'm aware of .. but perhaps .. I do know it'll allow you to Copy the partitions data elsewhere .. but perhaps gparted (LiveCD) /parted/partman are better for your needs |
| 01:33.22 | Ronin | mptech: may i suggest backing up everything then giving pqmagic a try, its usually non-destructive |
| 01:34.48 | enouf | mptech: especially when MS Ext'd partitions are concerned .. really dicey .. though I have copied a whole partition onto a newly created partition as I stated (fat32-> another fat32 primary) |
| 01:35.54 | enouf | olsen: /msg dpkg search .. use terms like kde png |
| 01:37.18 | mptech | enouf, hmm |
| 01:37.18 | psychonate | hmm, didn't expect to see dist-upgrade grabbing libc6-amd64 |
| 01:37.28 | mptech | because windows 98 is taking up all the space on this lappy |
| 01:37.37 | mptech | and I can't find my knoppix dis :( |
| 01:37.40 | mptech | *disk |
| 01:37.44 | psychonate | any reason it's getting the -amd64 libs? |
| 01:37.45 | olsen | enouf: ok |
| 01:37.50 | enouf | mptech: remove/overwrite it ;-) |
| 01:37.53 | Azar | mptech: http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/1/1/ << backups allways recommended |
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| 01:38.04 | hatter | windows98... |
| 01:38.08 | hatter | erk |
| 01:38.30 | hatter | dont plug it into the net :) |
| 01:38.43 | Wyzard | psychonate: That's not a 64-bit libc, it's just a 32-bit libc that's optimized for newer processors |
| 01:38.46 | enouf | mptech: gparted has a 30MB LiveCD .. there are many smaller rescue type LiveCDs .. READ ALL accompanying docs ;-) |
| 01:38.50 | Wyzard | psychonate: like libc6-i686 |
| 01:38.59 | psychonate | ah, I see |
| 01:39.10 | psychonate | just seemed odd at first, as that box has a celeron |
| 01:39.11 | olsen | enouf: well, konqueror is linked throw libpng |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | enouf: eh ? |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | !d-i report |
| 01:39.31 | dpkg | report, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:39.38 | enouf | olsen: I've used konq with no problems with any types of images |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | enouf: wtf is that ? |
| 01:39.53 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:39.57 | Wyzard | psychonate: Is there such a thing as a 64-bit Celeron? |
| 01:40.06 | enouf | abrotman: something screwy happend |
| 01:40.07 | mptech | yes, there is |
| 01:40.18 | abrotman | enouf: yeah . i forgot a - :) |
| 01:40.23 | enouf | abrotman: you broke it already? |
| 01:40.25 | enouf | heh |
| 01:40.37 | edju | What in KDE is accessing the hd every two seconds? |
| 01:41.02 | enouf | edju: perhaps you need or don;t want FAM |
| 01:41.26 | olsen | enouf: oh, wait, that thing is flash lol |
| 01:41.30 | enouf | edju: use pstree -lunp, and top to see |
| 01:41.31 | abrotman | Wyzard: yes |
| 01:41.37 | psychonate | Wyzard, er, obviously no. which is why it seemed odd to me at first |
| 01:41.43 | enouf | olsen: OUCH! .. go away now .. plzkthx |
| 01:41.54 | mptech | there are 64bit celerons |
| 01:41.55 | olsen | enouf: hm? |
| 01:42.00 | mptech | why would you think otherwise? |
| 01:42.05 | psychonate | well fuck |
| 01:42.10 | psychonate | I don't know if there are or not |
| 01:42.15 | mptech | 64 bit is considered "standard" |
| 01:42.20 | mptech | even budget chips have it |
| 01:42.22 | olsen | enouf: you are not the only one that hates flash |
| 01:42.33 | mptech | I think all 700 people in this channel |
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| 01:42.35 | mptech | hate flash with passion |
| 01:42.36 | hatter | flash ? why hate flash ? |
| 01:42.41 | Wyzard | edju: You can trace disk I/O by "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" and then looking at dmesg |
| 01:42.49 | hatter | i dont hate flash. |
| 01:42.52 | enouf | olsen: I know ;-) see ..ahhhh .. here we go .. |
| 01:42.52 | mptech | hatter, its refusal to JustWorkTM |
| 01:42.54 | Xenguy | hatter: flash is non-free AFAIK |
| 01:42.54 | Azar | what's so good about that 64bit that one could not use the 32bit anymore? (besides heavy gaming..) |
| 01:42.57 | Wyzard | edju: (Make sure to turn it back off when you're done so you don't fill up your disk with logs) |
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| 01:43.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: psychonate http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/chart/celeron_d.htm |
| 01:43.12 | hatter | except for those reasons, but my car isn't free either, but i like it |
| 01:43.12 | Wyzard | Azar: 64-bit doesn't make much difference for gaming afaik |
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| 01:43.21 | McNeal | hi |
| 01:43.25 | mptech | It's not worth it to run a 64bit OS |
| 01:43.30 | mptech | binaries are actually slower |
| 01:43.35 | mptech | and require more RAM |
| 01:43.38 | abrotman | mptech: depends on what you're doing |
| 01:43.39 | psychonate | yeah yeah |
| 01:43.41 | Azar | Wyzard: good point thanks... so then what is that makes people believe is way better? |
| 01:43.42 | Wyzard | mptech: benchmarks supporting your claim? |
| 01:43.47 | Xenguy | hatter: free as in freedom |
| 01:43.52 | mptech | Wyzard, the internet? |
| 01:43.57 | McNeal | can someone help me on vncserver? i cant connect to it :/ |
| 01:44.07 | Wyzard | mptech: The Internet isn't a benchmark |
| 01:44.19 | enouf | Wyzard: neither does Multi-core CPUs since most games are single-threaded AFAIK |
| 01:44.24 | mptech | Wyzard, search google -_- |
| 01:44.33 | abrotman | mptech: find it for him .. otherwise it's FUD |
| 01:44.49 | Wyzard | mptech: I've heard claims that 64-bit programs can run slower because pointers take up more memory, and I think that's probably what you're referring to |
| 01:45.18 | Azar | mptech: what I personally really believe is that the 64, dual , triple quadruple core is just a way for the hardware manufacturers to if not raise the price at least to maintain the prices afloat.. |
| 01:45.29 | Wyzard | mptech: but on the other hand, x86_64 has more registers and programs can be optimized better if they don't have to be compatible with older processors |
| 01:45.35 | abrotman | Azar: they aren't that much more expensive |
| 01:45.57 | Azar | abrotman: right but they fear they will have to bring down the prices |
| 01:46.16 | abrotman | Azar: I'd rather have the dual core than a single fast core |
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| 01:46.32 | Azar | abrotman: interesting, what is the reason? |
| 01:46.40 | abrotman | Azar: about a bazillion :) |
| 01:46.52 | Wyzard | Azar: 64-bit and multicore aren't just useless marketing terms meant as an excuse to keep prices steady... they do have real value |
| 01:46.58 | Wyzard | Azar: just not for all workloads |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | if you're not using your machine for a single purpose .. why restrict it to one core ? |
| 01:47.02 | Azar | abrotman: the benchmarks don't favor dual |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | Azar: which benchmarks ? |
| 01:47.18 | Azar | gaming benchmarks |
| 01:47.24 | Guerin | abrotman: benchmarks, damned benchmarks and statistics? |
| 01:47.25 | abrotman | who cares about games |
| 01:47.30 | abrotman | get a fucking PS2 .. |
| 01:47.40 | GeorgeS069 | hehe |
| 01:48.07 | Azar | right, so is the dual helping with cooling? what kind of performance gives to what apps? |
| 01:48.09 | Wyzard | Azar: That's because most games don't make much use of parallelism... but there are other things that do |
| 01:48.38 | enouf | Wyzard: one thing I noticed is how earlier FX AMD cpus always outperformed the newer X2, and AMD Dual cores in games (even the opterons) .. the FXs were only One Core, but cranked up in clockspeed, and much better capable of handling OCing .. (IOW games being single-threaded can't benefit from multi-tasking benefits/designs) |
| 01:48.40 | Azar | is the ram in sync with the new dual processors? |
| 01:48.45 | abrotman | Azar: you can have a single app that supports threading etc .. or run two apps on a single core .. |
| 01:48.47 | Wyzard | Azar: A dual-core chip gives you more total processing power than you could get in a single core... it just can't all be applied to a single task |
| 01:48.50 | Guerin | abrotman: fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 01:48.58 | Guerin | Azar: |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | Azar: if you're acutally using a machine for productivity .. it's so much better |
| 01:49.10 | enouf | Wyzard: that's just my observation, and not saying you disagree ;-) |
| 01:49.12 | mptech | Azar, dual core is useful |
| 01:49.14 | Wyzard | Azar: but I can play UT2004 smoothly while I have other stuff running in the background, for example |
| 01:49.26 | Azar | ah so for heavy duty servers dual core could come handy? |
| 01:49.28 | enouf | true dat |
| 01:49.35 | abrotman | Azar: if you've never used an SMP box for a workstation .. it might be hard to comprehend |
| 01:49.49 | abrotman | Azar: not just servers .. for people who do more than play minesweeper |
| 01:49.55 | enouf | haha |
| 01:49.56 | Azar | ...right, I only used my boxes for simple things |
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| 01:50.04 | enouf | aptitude can give you that! |
| 01:50.06 | Guerin | dual-core is what intel wanted to achive with hypethreading |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | Azar: my laptop is 2.4Ghz .. i'm seriously considering getting a dualcore with two 2.0Ghz cores |
| 01:50.49 | abrotman | that way i can type faster .. or something! |
| 01:50.58 | Wyzard | Azar: 64-bit and multicore both benefit servers more than (typical) desktops |
| 01:51.07 | Guerin | abrotman: heh |
| 01:51.17 | Azar | hmmm so running say 3 xterms, the browser, one game at the same time gets better performance under a dual core? |
| 01:51.32 | Guerin | Azar: no, because none of those things require any cpu power |
| 01:51.35 | Guerin | duh |
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| 01:51.38 | abrotman | Azar: let's say your browser has flash and flash freaks out and takes 1CPU .. you still have another CPU to fix it |
| 01:51.54 | rahul | haha |
| 01:51.54 | Azar | I see... cool |
| 01:51.58 | rahul | !lart flash |
| 01:52.01 | abrotman | Azar: or you can compile on one core .. and use the other for whatever you want |
| 01:52.16 | Wyzard | Azar: and parallelizable algorithms like 3D rendering can use both cores directly |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | though .. i'm greatly simplifying it :) |
| 01:52.22 | GeorgeS069 | or compile on both cores if you're in a hurry |
| 01:52.33 | sparr | where is the syntax of sources.list documented? |
| 01:52.41 | Azar | I must confess, I have a brand new amd64 bought in july under my desk. Haven't unpacked yet waiting for etch.. |
| 01:52.43 | Guerin | sparr: in `man sources.list' |
| 01:52.45 | abrotman | man sources.list ? |
| 01:52.48 | sparr | thanks |
| 01:52.50 | Guerin | ... |
| 01:52.58 | Guerin | this wasn't a trick question? |
| 01:53.01 | abrotman | !be a man barbie |
| 01:53.01 | dpkg | Aww, man is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 01:53.16 | Azar | :) |
| 01:53.20 | stew | eww |
| 01:53.21 | Wyzard | Azar: You don't really need to wait for etch to be released... |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | stew: go back to the fondue! |
| 01:53.35 | stew | i'm full |
| 01:53.41 | asg | abrotman: he's ircing from the fondue place? |
| 01:53.44 | Azar | Wyzard: I only have Etch as upgrade from Sarge on an old box.... |
| 01:53.48 | abrotman | asg: his house ... |
| 01:53.51 | stew | asg: i am |
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| 01:53.59 | Azar | hi mr asg |
| 01:54.00 | Guerin | sparr: freak! |
| 01:54.00 | blazemonger | automake1.4: Conflicts: automake |
| 01:54.01 | asg | abrotman: as good a place as any I 'spose |
| 01:54.07 | stew | better than most |
| 01:54.07 | asg | Azar: hiya |
| 01:54.08 | enouf | Azar: with DCs you can game on one core say .. and Encode/Decode .. d/l torrects using the other |
| 01:54.10 | blazemonger | this is in etch..is there a fix for that conflict? |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | asg: there are certainly worse :) |
| 01:54.15 | rahul | blazemonger: choose one or the other |
| 01:54.21 | asg | abrotman: yes, there are |
| 01:54.21 | rahul | blazemonger: welcome to autohell. |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | asg: nothing like Philly Phondue .. :) |
| 01:54.38 | sparr | ok, the documentation says no, but i have to ask... is there any way to use wildcards in sources.list? for distribution or component |
| 01:54.42 | blazemonger | in previous versions they wouldn't conflict |
| 01:54.50 | abrotman | sparr: wildcard for what ? |
| 01:54.53 | blazemonger | i dont see how something that simple can conflict |
| 01:54.55 | asg | abrotman: there's a place here but it's miserable |
| 01:54.59 | sparr | abrotman: for distribution or component |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | asg: we need Poutine! |
| 01:55.03 | sparr | deja vu :) |
| 01:55.07 | stew | eww |
| 01:55.16 | abrotman | asg: we have a few Melting Pot places |
| 01:55.21 | enouf | sparr: you want to read about bpo, pinning, apt.conf likely |
| 01:55.21 | abrotman | asg: though i've never been |
| 01:55.22 | asg | abrotman: yeah, that's it |
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| 01:55.28 | blazemonger | this is this first time i've seen debian have this one conflict |
| 01:55.29 | abrotman | asg: i've heard it's okay ... |
| 01:55.32 | Azar | enouf: I was confused because I was reading some benchmark articles back in October and they were saying that there is no much improvement... but if it lessers the pressure on the cpu... I think is better then |
| 01:55.33 | rahul | don't melt pot. smoke it! |
| 01:55.44 | rahul | blazemonger: there's a first time for everything |
| 01:55.48 | abrotman | asg: i haven't had fondue in years |
| 01:55.55 | rahul | blazemonger: you can't have two versions of automake installed at the same time |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | asg: well .. other than then SamAdams fondue at the restaurant nearby :) |
| 01:56.05 | stew | blazemonger: why do you think you need the package named "automake"? |
| 01:56.09 | asg | abrotman: a ridiculously overprices plowman's lunch with spears and full of people who should know better |
| 01:56.14 | asg | *overpriced |
| 01:56.15 | blazemonger | rahul:i have before |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | asg: heh |
| 01:56.20 | blazemonger | dunno |
| 01:56.26 | sparr | enouf: are you saying its possible? |
| 01:56.31 | Azar | fondue, my mom calls it chocolate coating |
| 01:56.35 | blazemonger | just like having multiple versions for in case :) |
| 01:56.37 | rahul | blazemonger: not with both accessible as "automake" |
| 01:56.41 | abrotman | sparr: doing the wildcard isn't .. but mixing is |
| 01:56.46 | enouf | Azar: there's also the way a Mobo manu will put a crappy GigE chipset in place and a whole other core is eaten just to make it work right .. so it's a shell game .. |
| 01:56.48 | rahul | Azar: midwest? |
| 01:56.49 | sparr | abrotman: mixing? |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | !mixing |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | damn bot |
| 01:57.02 | rahul | LA. interesting. |
| 01:57.02 | abrotman | sparr: mixing versions of debian is *bad* |
| 01:57.05 | Azar | rahul: california |
| 01:57.10 | stew | blazemonger: just get rid of the "automake" package, then install as many of automake1.4 automake1.8 automake1.9 etc. that you want |
| 01:57.13 | blazemonger | these conflicts didnt exist on my sid box |
| 01:57.13 | enouf | sparr: we STIL have no idea what you want to try to do |
| 01:57.19 | rahul | Azar: LA to be more specific :) |
| 01:57.23 | Azar | yep |
| 01:57.30 | abrotman | enouf: AFAICT .. have a source for every version of debian ... and mix them |
| 01:57.32 | Azar | but mom was born in Minnesotta |
| 01:57.33 | sparr | enouf: i want to use wildcards for distribution and/or component in sources.list |
| 01:57.34 | rahul | Azar: but I guess people from cali aren't that familiar with european stuff. |
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| 01:57.48 | sparr | abrotman: yes, mixing versions is bad. |
| 01:57.50 | rahul | Azar: oh, then she would definitely have no idea about fondue |
| 01:57.53 | enouf | sparr: you said that 3 times now .. it makes no sense .. try again ;-) |
| 01:57.55 | Azar | rahul: well no we aren't we are at the end of the civilized world |
| 01:58.07 | abrotman | sparr: you want to have all versions of debian available ? |
| 01:58.24 | rahul | Azar: until we colonize the pacific ocean :P |
| 01:58.26 | blazemonger | what would happen if i did apt-get -f install on them? |
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| 01:58.57 | sparr | enouf: "deb http://foo.com/bar dist comp" indicates i want files in http://foo.com/bar/dist/comp (with the standard repository layout). i want to get http://foo.com/bar/*/*, or http://foo.com/bar/*/comp, or something similar |
| 01:59.04 | sparr | abrotman: not neccessarily all |
| 01:59.17 | Azar | :) well we don't keep much with fashion cloting, perfumes and such in here... snickers, t-shirts and jeans , all it takes to be dressed decently |
| 01:59.27 | eshaase | anyone here familiar with wpa_supplicant? if so, would you happen to know why there is no longer a init script (/etc/init.d/wpasupplicant) in testing and unstable? |
| 01:59.35 | abrotman | sparr: wtf do you think a wildcard would do ? |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | eshaase: check the docs in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 02:00.12 | sparr | abrotman: what wildcards normally do? |
| 02:00.15 | enouf | sparr: er .. any "dist" name means it's wiildcarding for that distro .. I think you may nopt be understanding how the mirrors actually operate .. or I misunderstand you |
| 02:00.39 | abrotman | sparr: what are you *really* trying to accomplish ? |
| 02:00.58 | sparr | abrotman: get new distros and components without editing sources.list |
| 02:01.12 | abrotman | that's call pinning |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | called |
| 02:01.21 | enouf | sparr: using us.debian.org/sarge main <-- means Everything in main is available .,. you want to mix and match contrib and non-free? |
| 02:01.29 | eshaase | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 02:01.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 02:01.49 | enouf | !tell sparr -about apt howto |
| 02:01.51 | sparr | abrotman: found pinning by google... not really what i want. |
| 02:02.04 | abrotman | yes iti s |
| 02:02.18 | sparr | pinning doesnt help |
| 02:02.24 | asg | abrotman: that almost sounded vaguely Italian, bravo |
| 02:02.28 | Guerin | it does if you set it up right |
| 02:02.28 | blazemonger | am i stoned if i'm running a small personal server on debian sid? |
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| 02:02.40 | abrotman | sparr: yes .. it's what you want |
| 02:02.41 | Guerin | blazemonger: yes. |
| 02:02.43 | stew | blazemonger: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 02:02.50 | enouf | sparr: please define "distributions" .. you throw that word around incorrectly IMHO |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | asg: i blame my tyrolian grandmother! |
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| 02:03.14 | sparr | enouf: distributions, noun: words that can go in the "distribution" field of a sources.list entry |
| 02:03.23 | enouf | sparr: WTF does this mean? <sparr> abrotman: get new distros and components without editing sources.list |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | asg: that's as close as i get to italian :) |
| 02:03.28 | hmmm | How do I append to a new line without creating a new one? |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | hmmm: in what? |
| 02:03.37 | asg | abrotman: mrs. asg makes surprisingly good biscotti |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | asg: feed me! |
| 02:03.44 | hmmm | abrotman: bash |
| 02:03.57 | abrotman | hmmm: #bash ? |
| 02:03.58 | enouf | sparr: I give up , apologies .. and good luck ;-) |
| 02:04.05 | sparr | enouf: when a new debian distribution is released, or a new component is added (yeah, unlikely), i want to be able to update and download from them |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | sparr: so track stable/testing/unstable instead of codenames |
| 02:04.41 | Guerin | sparr: you're on crack |
| 02:04.55 | abrotman | raise your hand if you think sparr is on drugs! |
| 02:04.57 | blazemonger | GuerinL:so you run a server on sid? |
| 02:05.00 | GeorgeS069 | sparr: pass that stuff around |
| 02:05.00 | asg | abrotman: egg mooby muffins are not on till Sunday |
| 02:05.04 | Guerin | o| |
| 02:05.05 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.10 | abrotman | o/ |
| 02:05.11 | Nosf3ratu | \o |
| 02:05.18 | abrotman | asg: does she make them ? |
| 02:05.19 | asg | by menen |
| 02:05.22 | Guerin | blazemonger: no. |
| 02:05.31 | Guerin | blazemonger: i run a desktop on sid, and a server on sarge |
| 02:05.32 | asg | abrotman: yes, and good bacon sandwiches |
| 02:05.34 | rahul | Azar: LA doesn't keep up with the fashion? huh? |
| 02:05.35 | Azar | ahhhhhh abrotman is touching mfrisch's behind |
| 02:05.36 | sparr | abrotman: then how do i get the version of firefox from potato? (random stupid example) |
| 02:05.38 | Guerin | and another desktop on etch |
| 02:05.53 | abrotman | sparr: don't be silly .. potato doesn't have FF |
| 02:05.56 | mfrisch | Azar: don't drag me into this ;-) |
| 02:05.56 | Azar | rahul: maybe Hollywood , but not downtown LA |
| 02:06.03 | rahul | hmm |
| 02:06.06 | sparr | abrotman: ok, random fake stupid example :-p |
| 02:06.08 | Guerin | sparr: aptitude -t potato install firefox |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | sparr: you would have sources for every distro you want ..and use pinning |
| 02:06.11 | rahul | Azar: what's in downtown LA? |
| 02:06.11 | enouf | sparr: so you ALWAYS want the latest / greatest? .. see apt-list-changes, apt-index-watcher perhaps .. dunno |
| 02:06.20 | sparr | Guerin: and that will work without potato in my sources? im doubtful |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | GOBBLYGOOK! |
| 02:06.32 | Azar | rahul: gangs? pandilleros? |
| 02:06.34 | enouf | !POTATOE |
| 02:06.35 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
| 02:06.35 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:06.39 | olsen | whats the name of the linux-kernel source package? |
| 02:06.41 | rahul | Azar: fair enough :P |
| 02:06.44 | Guerin | sparr: of course not, that's the stupid bit. How can it know if you don't have anything in sources? |
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| 02:06.54 | rahul | olsen: linux-source-blah-blah-blah |
| 02:06.54 | Guerin | olsen: linux-source-version |
| 02:07.01 | sparr | Guerin: hence my original question regarding wildcards in sources... welcome to 10 minutes ago |
| 02:07.04 | asg | enouf: potatoe is potato over ethernet |
| 02:07.05 | enouf | hehe .. I didn't know that factoid existed ,,, ;-) |
| 02:07.10 | Guerin | sparr: right, which we told you wasn't possible. |
| 02:07.18 | Guerin | sparr: you have to edit your sources. It's that simple. |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | sparr: can't do it .. i told you how! |
| 02:07.39 | sparr | Guerin: no you didnt... now that you have, ill give up |
| 02:07.44 | zoghome | whats a good portable debianistic command to get the IP address of a particular interface quickly? like for ppp0 or eth3 or whatever? |
| 02:07.56 | abrotman | ifconfig <device> |
| 02:07.58 | asg | zoghome: ifconfig | grep |
| 02:08.21 | zoghome | anything that I dont need to parse output so much? /proc/ entry? |
| 02:08.36 | abrotman | ip addr .. works too |
| 02:08.38 | sparr | Guerin: no one ever said "its impossible". i assumed all the suggestions were of the "we arent going to tell you how to do what you asked, so heres a different approach" variety, so common on IRC. |
| 02:08.46 | asg | zoghome: /msg dpkg myip |
| 02:08.48 | abrotman | i did!!!!!!! |
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| 02:09.07 | Guerin | i think abrotman did |
| 02:09.12 | abrotman | i did!!!!!!! |
| 02:09.12 | rahul | ip addr show dev eth0 | grep inet or inet6 |
| 02:09.19 | Guerin | but ok |
| 02:10.26 | sparr | abrotman: ok, i guess i see where you said "doing the wildcard isnt", i misread that as "im not saying its possible" instead of "its impossible" |
| 02:10.58 | abrotman | sparr: it's not impossible .. wildcards are impossible :) |
| 02:11.24 | sparr | without wildcards, what i want is impossible |
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| 02:11.38 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:11.40 | abrotman | you can have a source for every debian release |
| 02:11.42 | Guerin | hence: impossible |
| 02:11.43 | sparr | the entire purpose of this discussion was to avoid editing sources.list every time a new distro or component becomes available |
| 02:11.53 | zoghome | ok thanks... ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr:" | cut -d: -f2 | cut -d" " -f1 |
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| 02:11.59 | abrotman | oh yeah .. because debian releases so often :) |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | what a pain!!!! |
| 02:12.24 | rahul | er |
| 02:12.25 | Guerin | sparr: if you have sources for oldstable, stable, testing, unstable, experimentsl, security, backports and volatile you'll be golden |
| 02:12.34 | Guerin | sparr: caution: may cause extreme breakage |
| 02:12.39 | sparr | Guerin: not when i want potato :-p |
| 02:12.40 | abrotman | and if you want older .. you'll have to use archive.debian.org |
| 02:12.41 | rahul | extreme. |
| 02:12.59 | Guerin | sparr: so you know all the previous releases ... add them by name |
| 02:13.13 | abrotman | don't forget non-us! |
| 02:13.24 | Guerin | trtue |
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| 02:13.28 | Guerin | so double most of those |
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| 02:13.51 | unseensoul | hi |
| 02:13.52 | Guerin | and then you might as well add universe, multiverse, debian-multimedia, etc |
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| 02:14.02 | mfrisch | sparr your crazy |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | you're |
| 02:14.12 | GeorgeS069 | and bpo |
| 02:14.21 | sparr | abrotman: are you correcting him or agreeing with him? :) |
| 02:14.26 | stoned | blazemonger: hey wtf |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | both |
| 02:14.34 | rahul | stoned: hey fftw |
| 02:14.44 | mfrisch | correcting me my autospell is off |
| 02:15.15 | sparr | it would be so much easier to have deb http://whatever.debian.org * * |
| 02:15.16 | stoned | huh |
| 02:15.26 | rahul | sparr: it would be insane to do that |
| 02:15.32 | rahul | uhu |
| 02:15.51 | rahul | or maybe yny |
| 02:15.54 | abrotman | sparr: put the drugs down .. or give them to stoned |
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| 02:16.02 | rahul | I'll take the drugs! |
| 02:16.08 | rahul | haven't had any since saturday |
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| 02:16.33 | asg | rahul: they might be birth control pills, are you sure you want them? |
| 02:16.39 | rahul | heh |
| 02:16.39 | abrotman | god i hope they are |
| 02:17.07 | Azar | hey birth control very good for a valentine day |
| 02:17.14 | rahul | yep |
| 02:17.28 | sparr | everyone has different ideas about how dynamic sources should be. wildcards are one extreme. a debian based distro who shall remain nameless that thinks stable/testing/unstable is a bad idea is close to the other extreme. id rather be at the former than the latter. |
| 02:17.39 | abrotman | then go use it |
| 02:17.48 | sparr | cant, no wildcards allowed |
| 02:18.05 | asg | sparr: then run unstable the sources, while static, provide daily instability and dynamism |
| 02:18.07 | Azar | sparr: have what you want, you got advices here from the best.... ignoring help is FUN |
| 02:18.30 | Eagle-1 | in the sources.list stable is the most stable which is next down the stability line, test or unstable? |
| 02:18.32 | Guerin | sparr: you need to run your own mirror |
| 02:18.39 | sparr | (wildcards) --- (debian) --- (other distro without stable/testing/unstable) |
| 02:18.49 | sparr | id rather be on the left than on the right |
| 02:18.52 | enouf | sparr: and prepare for the ensuing breakage |
| 02:18.54 | abrotman | !tell Eagle-1 about sarge->etch |
| 02:18.57 | GeorgeS069 | Eagle-1: testing |
| 02:18.59 | Guerin | that would solve all these problems ... and give you a whole new set |
| 02:19.10 | Guerin | sparr: i'm curious about this unnamed distro |
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| 02:19.12 | Guerin | which is it? |
| 02:19.15 | Eagle-1 | thank you |
| 02:19.16 | Guerin | nmame it!@ |
| 02:19.20 | rahul | mame it |
| 02:19.27 | sparr | do i really have to? |
| 02:19.27 | rahul | with lead pipes |
| 02:19.34 | Guerin | sparr: yes! |
| 02:19.34 | asg | in the conservatory |
| 02:19.38 | Menphizexor | lol |
| 02:19.40 | sparr | i mean, how many debian based distros do people come in here for help with? :) |
| 02:19.43 | Guerin | it is the lord who commands you! |
| 02:19.46 | rahul | it's the distro that has unstable/more-unstable/most-unstable |
| 02:19.47 | abrotman | sparr: all of them |
| 02:19.52 | asg | sparr: many, and they all get the same finger |
| 02:19.55 | sparr | ok, well, its ubuntu |
| 02:19.59 | Azar | stoned is unstable |
| 02:19.59 | abrotman | it's |
| 02:20.02 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:20.03 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:20.05 | stoned | ey |
| 02:20.09 | stoned | ! |
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| 02:20.11 | rahul | ; |
| 02:20.14 | mfrisch | sparr none we don't answer |
| 02:20.16 | Azar | stoned aka sid |
| 02:20.16 | abrotman | ) |
| 02:20.41 | stoned | balls. |
| 02:20.47 | mfrisch | Azar: we got something there ;-) |
| 02:20.49 | enouf | sparr: maybe apt-ftparchive is what you want .. don't know ..never tried it |
| 02:20.52 | rahul | pins. |
| 02:20.57 | sparr | mfrisch: which is why i made the question distro-neutral, applicable to debian proper |
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| 02:21.31 | Azar | ..from sourceforge |
| 02:21.35 | asg | sparr: there is only one distro, Debian. All others have their own channels and should be discussed in them. |
| 02:21.37 | mfrisch | sparr man people gave all the answer their gona. |
| 02:21.41 | sparr | asg: precisely |
| 02:21.54 | stoned | doobian |
| 02:21.57 | stoned | ahahaha! |
| 02:21.59 | rahul | heh |
| 02:22.00 | Azar | :) |
| 02:22.10 | asg | stoned: apt-get install .... why bother |
| 02:22.13 | stoned | lol |
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| 02:22.16 | rahul | doobian unstable's codename is stoned |
| 02:22.23 | sparr | abrotman: you might be more sympathetic to the wildcard idea if you had to make do without stable/testing/unstable :-p |
| 02:22.26 | stoned | I'll take that |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | sparr: i would ? |
| 02:22.42 | Azar | the future version of stoned is stonage |
| 02:22.47 | stoned | wildcard idea? |
| 02:22.52 | rahul | ls ftp.us.doobian.com/pub/doobian => unstable -> stoned |
| 02:22.56 | gravity | I can already guess where this one is going |
| 02:23.06 | asg | gravity: down the tube, and in a hurry |
| 02:23.06 | stoned | I must have missed it |
| 02:23.11 | stoned | you have some idea for debian? |
| 02:23.15 | Guerin | sparr: nobody has to. |
| 02:23.23 | Guerin | sparr: if you think you have to, you are deluded. |
| 02:23.36 | cld2 | I lost power at my colo and now my box boots up and says "Enter Runlevel:" and if i enter 5 it boots up just fine and runs. any reboot and I get the same prompt. any ideas? |
| 02:23.43 | stoned | colo? |
| 02:23.48 | stoned | colon? |
| 02:23.49 | sparr | colocation facility |
| 02:23.51 | stoned | oh |
| 02:23.52 | cld2 | sparr: thanks. |
| 02:23.53 | Guerin | stoned: he wants the ability to select all possible debian branches in sources.list with * |
| 02:24.02 | stoned | Guerin: thats stupid |
| 02:24.03 | rahul | high colonic factory |
| 02:24.11 | stoned | Guerin: sparr no offense bad idea though |
| 02:24.13 | stoned | er.. |
| 02:24.13 | rahul | he's probably stoned. |
| 02:24.14 | cld2 | its not asking for an fsck or giving any errors |
| 02:24.18 | sparr | stoned: its less stupid when you dont have stable/testing/unstable |
| 02:24.20 | stoned | can't get my nicks right |
| 02:24.28 | Azar | hmm maybe *.* would work better for him? |
| 02:24.31 | rahul | sparr: it's more stupid to not have stable/testing/unstable |
| 02:24.33 | rahul | Azar: heh |
| 02:24.35 | Guerin | see, even stoned figured it out in 9 seconds, and he's stoned! |
| 02:24.37 | gravity | sparr: Why don't you have stable/testing/unstable exactly? |
| 02:24.38 | abrotman | sparr: drop it .. it's not possible |
| 02:24.38 | stoned | sparr: There are none who can contend with the will of Debian. |
| 02:24.47 | stoned | NONE! |
| 02:24.59 | asg | cld2: sounds like either a non-Debian setup or a customization that the colo added. |
| 02:25.03 | sparr | gravity: as i said before, because some debian-based distros dont have them |
| 02:25.13 | stoned | sparr: why are we responsible for them? |
| 02:25.15 | rahul | sparr: then they're useless. |
| 02:25.18 | Guerin | ubuntu, like |
| 02:25.20 | cld2 | asg: its my box. I built it. I just use there rack. |
| 02:25.22 | gravity | sparr: So? Just run Debian. |
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| 02:25.24 | Azar | wait it is possible!!! install woody, > upgrade to > sarge > upgrade to > etch > upgrade to > sid : there you got them all |
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| 02:25.35 | Guerin | gravity: you and your damn logic! |
| 02:25.37 | cast | how does on do the converse of setattr --barrier? |
| 02:25.38 | gravity | sparr: In case you haven't heard, Debian is totally free for you to download and run on your own computer. |
| 02:25.39 | sparr | stoned: you arent. but the question applies to debian as well. its just less sensible here. |
| 02:25.48 | sparr | stoned: which is why im asking about debian |
| 02:25.58 | asg | cld2: well, does "grep -lr 'Enter Runlevel' /etc" return anything? |
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| 02:26.01 | sparr | stoned: i dont have a justification thats valid for debian, but its stil a valid question. |
| 02:26.07 | rahul | sparr: having "all packages in the universe" available is retarded |
| 02:26.08 | stoned | sparr: and once again bro, no offence, it cannot be told on irc in broken lines |
| 02:26.14 | gravity | I'm not sure exactly what this wildcard idea is, but I can imagine it only causing a lot more problems for packaging. |
| 02:26.15 | stoned | sparr: if you're serious about it, write a paper |
| 02:26.25 | stoned | sparr: write an article describing your idea and how it could be better |
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| 02:26.31 | stoned | then post it up and let people decide |
| 02:26.39 | stoned | this is the wrong medium for this idea |
| 02:26.40 | gravity | In which case, it just amounts to Debian developers doing more work for people who aren't going to run Debian itself, which is really hard to justify |
| 02:26.45 | sparr | stoned: waste of time, its a useless idea in debian. |
| 02:26.48 | blazemonger | sid is quite stable actually |
| 02:26.55 | rahul | sparr: so stop wasting our time. |
| 02:26.57 | blazemonger | Debian= my fav distro |
| 02:27.05 | Azar | sparr: Debian right now has THREE available versions: One can pick ONE of them at one time. You can allways go >> up and upgrade, never << down to downgrade. That is how it is |
| 02:27.16 | blazemonger | of all of the ones i've tried..well let me take that back..it's my favorite distro that's able to run on desktop |
| 02:27.17 | enouf | cld2: thought about a shutdown -rF .. a fsck? since you lost power |
| 02:27.24 | sparr | Azar: thanks for that completely off topic contribution |
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| 02:27.26 | blazemonger | although i'm stoned enough to play around with apache in sid] |
| 02:27.36 | stoned | blazemonger: that only goes to furthur the stereotype that sid if stable |
| 02:27.37 | rahul | sparr: YOU are off-topic. |
| 02:27.50 | Azar | ok, man we are done here with you then, you know better |
| 02:27.51 | stoned | s/if/is |
| 02:27.57 | gravity | sparr: You're being off-topic if you want to talk about things that aren't Debian |
| 02:28.00 | sparr | rahul: no, my question is about debian. people who keep asking me which other distros the question might apply to are off topic. |
| 02:28.07 | sparr | gravity: i dont. im talking about debian. |
| 02:28.17 | enouf | !polcy |
| 02:28.19 | rahul | sparr: wrong. |
| 02:28.20 | enouf | !policy |
| 02:28.20 | dpkg | [policy] available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimpliment it, poorly. |
| 02:28.22 | blazemonger | Ubuntu is good too now but it just has a way to go |
| 02:28.24 | rahul | 21:26 < sparr> stoned: waste of time, its a useless idea in debian. |
| 02:28.33 | rahul | you are wasting our time. |
| 02:28.38 | stoned | you're making me highlight |
| 02:28.40 | gravity | sparr: But your idea has absolutely no benefit to Debian. It just amounts to Debian doing work for other people at no gain for the project itself. That's pretty off-topic. It's like asking Debian developers to fix bugs in Redhat |
| 02:28.40 | stoned | I'll punch you |
| 02:28.45 | rahul | you told us you came here to waste our time |
| 02:28.46 | sparr | gravity: if some other distro didnt have tar, and i asked how to open a tgz without using tar in debian, it wouldnt be off topic. it would be a stupid question, since we have tar on debian, but its still a debian question. |
| 02:28.51 | rahul | heh |
| 02:29.08 | enouf | Agree .. or disagree ,.. write to the mailing lists .. but do NOT nag .. and be CLEAR and CONCISE ;-) |
| 02:29.24 | stoned | sparr: your sentence structure is quite horrible. Grammar is screwed up and your thoughts are incoherent. I hope you do better on the article than you are doing here. |
| 02:29.30 | cast | no one knows how to turn turn off the barrier in a file that's been setattr --barrier then? hmmm |
| 02:29.32 | gravity | sparr: No, that'd be off-topic as well. |
| 02:29.33 | Azar | among others Debian is excellent at this poing: does not allow CRAZY users to impose their aberations on it |
| 02:29.34 | sparr | enouf: why? it would be an almost worthless addition to debian |
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| 02:29.42 | stoned | poing |
| 02:29.49 | Azar | err point* |
| 02:29.54 | dondelelcaro | cast: you mean chattr? |
| 02:29.54 | stoned | poing is funnier |
| 02:29.58 | Azar | :) |
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| 02:30.08 | sparr | stoned: i had one extra comma in one sentence. i dont see how that is incoherent. |
| 02:30.11 | Azar | stoned: that is tickling me |
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| 02:30.19 | cast | dondelelcaro: ahh, investigating. the lack of a setattr manpage and not very useful help... |
| 02:30.24 | rahul | sparr: you are DYScoherent |
| 02:30.29 | Azar | sparr: hang on your commas please |
| 02:30.31 | stoned | sparr: poing* is, give it up. |
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| 02:30.36 | stoned | I meant point :) |
| 02:30.42 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:30.45 | rahul | sparr: you say you are talking about stuff that's a waste of time to debian |
| 02:30.55 | rahul | then you say you are on-topic |
| 02:31.00 | gravity | I'd say he's being plenty coherent. OT, but coherent. No need to gang up on him for no reason. |
| 02:31.07 | stoned | The Feast of the Troll is underway... |
| 02:31.15 | enouf | sparr: I'm saying if have "issues" with the way "things are" now .. then discussion about any kind of "serious" change would be best handled through the mediums I described |
| 02:31.19 | Azar | sparr was being dipped in fondue |
| 02:31.20 | asg | can't we go back to talking about paki breakfasts? |
| 02:31.21 | sparr | rahul: i should have said almost useless (like i said the second time). if the feature existed in debian, i would use it, and it would be handy insofar as it made my sources.list about 90% shorter |
| 02:31.22 | rahul | heh |
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| 02:31.31 | rahul | sparr: then you're insane |
| 02:31.34 | rahul | heh |
| 02:31.37 | sparr | enouf: i dont have an issue with the way things are now, and i dont want it to change. |
| 02:31.37 | stoned | asg: yeh, I'd love to talk about that |
| 02:31.46 | rahul | sparr: then stop whining |
| 02:31.51 | rahul | !penixstrike sparr |
| 02:31.52 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sparr to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:31.52 | enouf | sparr: Oh .. ok .. welcome to Debian then ;-) |
| 02:31.58 | cast | dondelelcaro: uh, oh. i don't think chattr knows what B is |
| 02:32.00 | asg | stoned: ;) Too bad it's time for bed |
| 02:32.02 | Azar | sparr: check the suppositories see if Im not right |
| 02:32.04 | rahul | you want thinks to stay as they are, but you're whining about how they are |
| 02:32.12 | dondelelcaro | sparr: you can already select all possible source branches using a single line in your sources.list. It'll just be a long line. |
| 02:32.26 | enouf | Azar: there's some serious "depends" though lol |
| 02:32.32 | Azar | :) |
| 02:32.35 | stoned | of course you can't manage without either aptitude or pinning |
| 02:32.38 | stoned | I would guess |
| 02:32.43 | sparr | dondelelcaro: yeah, the point at hand was doing it without enumerating them |
| 02:32.58 | sparr | dondelelcaro: which would be future-proof against additions to the list |
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| 02:33.22 | stoned | sparr, I mix packages from all 3 versions if i need to, including experimental. you can mix and do whatever you want, however it isn't advised. |
| 02:33.39 | sparr | stoned: im aware of that, and i do it on occasion. |
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| 02:33.48 | stoned | so what is the issue here? |
| 02:33.48 | dondelelcaro | sparr: well, since only oldstable, stable, testing, unstable, and experimental are ever going to be in the offical archives, that's all you'd ever need. |
| 02:34.45 | sparr | dondelelcaro: as i said before... this question is on topic because its valid in debian, but its nonsensical. it serves no purpose. my actual reason for asking was for use on debian-based distros that dont have stable/testing/unstable/etc... |
| 02:34.49 | Azar | deb ftp://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable testing unstable main << like so? |
| 02:34.53 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: but he's not actually taslking about reality. He's talking about ubuntuland |
| 02:35.06 | Guerin | Azar: man sources.list |
| 02:35.10 | stoned | so you want to use debian packages on ubuntu? |
| 02:35.10 | dondelelcaro | though adding useless sources.list entries is a bad idea, because it makes parsing the dependency tree that much more difficult. |
| 02:35.15 | Azar | debian-based? mooooooooooooo |
| 02:35.37 | sparr | stoned: no, i want to use ubuntu packages on ubuntu. here we stray off topic, but you asked. |
| 02:35.40 | stoned | doesn't ubuntu have all that stuff already... you know, linux for humanity or some such crap |
| 02:35.43 | Azar | !debian-based |
| 02:35.43 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 02:35.56 | sparr | Azar: welcome to 30 minutes ago |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:36.11 | stoned | time warps are common here |
| 02:36.15 | Azar | so sparr you made us think you talk about Debian for 30 min? |
| 02:36.21 | Azar | moooooooooooooo to youuuuuu! |
| 02:36.23 | sparr | Azar: i AM talking about debian |
| 02:36.27 | Azar | nope |
| 02:36.33 | rahul | !penixstrike sparr |
| 02:36.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking sparr to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:36.34 | Azar | debian-based is NOT Debian |
| 02:36.36 | sparr | the only time i mentioned ubuntu is when someone asked |
| 02:36.39 | stoned | debian tears and rips the space time continium, making wormholes here and there |
| 02:36.40 | rahul | you're talking about something that's useless to debian |
| 02:36.49 | sparr | my question is purely about debian. the fact that its a pointless question on debian doesnt change that. |
| 02:36.50 | dondelelcaro | can we just drop it already, please? |
| 02:36.53 | Guerin | and something that's useless to ubuntu to boot |
| 02:37.00 | Azar | ok im using /ignore |
| 02:37.07 | rahul | sparr: if it's pointless to ask it here, get lost |
| 02:37.14 | gravity | So anyway... back to Debian... |
| 02:37.20 | sparr | Guerin: untrue. quite useful, for anyone who doesnt like editing their sources every 6 months. and again straying off topic |
| 02:37.21 | Azar | :) yes |
| 02:37.23 | stoned | and the rippage of the space time |
| 02:37.30 | Guerin | sparr: ... |
| 02:37.43 | karsten | gravity: How's winter treating you? |
| 02:37.58 | stoned | you can't say something off topic, and then say its not offtopic, to make it on topic |
| 02:38.02 | stoned | thats bullcrap |
| 02:38.05 | enouf | sparr i don;t like taking out the trash .. deal with it .. and stop being silly now |
| 02:38.09 | gravity | I haven't announced it, but if people are interested, Julien and I have been working on getting Xorg 7.2 (or what will be Xorg 7.2 anyway) in to experimental. The updated drivers aren't there yet, but the server is there and an i810 modesetting driver that's only a week old |
| 02:38.18 | gravity | So if you guys want some hot new Xorg stuffs, have at it |
| 02:38.21 | sparr | stoned: i know that. im well aware that the discussion is off topic every time it strays to ubuntu. thats why im not asking about ubuntu. |
| 02:38.23 | gravity | karsten: It's ok. Today was rough :-) |
| 02:38.26 | Azar | stoned: do we get anything like pong for Debian Sarge? |
| 02:38.28 | blazemonger | mmm why is it automake and automake1.4 conflict with each other? |
| 02:38.33 | Azar | I miss pong |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | gravity: anything special about it? or just newer ? |
| 02:38.39 | stoned | Azar: I was playing ping pong in ding dang. |
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| 02:38.41 | sparr | blazemonger: isnt automake an alias for automake1.9? |
| 02:38.43 | enouf | \o/ gravity |
| 02:38.43 | blazemonger | is there a way to have alll of the automakes installed?(i'm using etch) |
| 02:38.45 | gravity | abrotman: Mainly bugfix. The modesetting driver actually works though |
| 02:39.00 | karsten | gravity: Any good Radeon 7500 drivers? |
| 02:39.04 | Wyzard | gravity: Last time I tried the modesetting driver it hard-locked X when I tried playing video :-/ |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | !depends automake etch |
| 02:39.14 | gravity | abrotman: Once etch is out I'm going to start putting the pre-7.3 hotness in experimental on a regular basis to get it moving |
| 02:39.15 | dpkg | automake: depends on autoconf (>= 2.60), autotools-dev (>= 20020320.1) |
| 02:39.21 | dvs | gravity: forget that. Any good Radeon X1600 drivers? ;-) |
| 02:39.23 | gravity | karsten: The same old same old still |
| 02:39.27 | gravity | dvs: Ha! |
| 02:39.37 | gravity | Wyzard: It works for me, so maybe give it a try now |
| 02:39.39 | karsten | gravity: You suck, I'm firing you! |
| 02:39.40 | stoned | is X1900 series ATI working now with OSS drivers? |
| 02:39.41 | dvs | gravity: I take that as a "no". ;-) |
| 02:39.43 | gravity | Oh, and the new mesa is there too, you want that |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | gravity: when will noveau go in? (if ever) |
| 02:39.48 | karsten | @comfort gravity |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | not that i have nvidia garbage .. but it might be useful :) |
| 02:39.57 | karsten | !comfort gravity |
| 02:39.58 | dpkg | There, there, gravity. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:39.58 | gravity | abrotman: I haven't worked on it yet, but I want to during the lenny cycle. |
| 02:40.03 | stoned | last I checked the card was too NEW to work with ati/radeon drivers in xorg |
| 02:40.07 | stoned | it required fglrx |
| 02:40.11 | abrotman | gravity: you should draft someone! |
| 02:40.14 | gravity | abrotman: It's really not ready yet. I don't think that the kernel support is there yet in Debian |
| 02:40.20 | abrotman | ah |
| 02:40.24 | gravity | abrotman: The position is open. Whoever wants to work on it should jump right in. |
| 02:40.33 | blazemonger | so there's no way to fix the conflict? |
| 02:40.35 | gravity | If anyone wants to be our nouveau maintainer, shoot me an email |
| 02:40.44 | Wyzard | gravity: If experimental has a newer modesetting driver than the one in sid, I'll give that a try |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | gravity: i'm lacking (and hopefully always will) the required hardware to test |
| 02:40.50 | blazemonger | i've had all of the automakes installed before |
| 02:40.51 | gravity | Wyzard: It does. |
| 02:40.55 | gravity | abrotman: Me too |
| 02:40.59 | stoned | abrotman: want me to donate a machine |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | gravity: let's get stoned to do it! |
| 02:41.14 | stoned | abrotman: for the poor man's cause |
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| 02:41.39 | abrotman | stoned: i'd probably end up driving to nvidia HQ and killing people just because they're such dicks :) |
| 02:41.45 | stoned | lol |
| 02:41.53 | stoned | no lets get stoned to package Xgl |
| 02:42.00 | Wyzard | gravity: I originally tried modesetting about a month ago while investigating bug #409596 |
| 02:42.03 | abrotman | i heard that position is open too |
| 02:42.47 | Wyzard | stoned: Xgl, bah... AIGLX is better :-) |
| 02:42.51 | enouf | !shoot nv HQ |
| 02:43.00 | abrotman | closest thing i've come to packaging lately was roadnav .. but i have no GPS and don't know anyone who does |
| 02:43.18 | stoned | Wyzard: yes but we still nee Xgl for people with ATI cards that don't support AIGLX with thier shitty freakin drivers |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | and it hink someone picked i tup |
| 02:43.34 | rpc | does anyone know if a mysql running on localhost only should accept a tunneled connection from another host? i can't seem to get this to work |
| 02:44.04 | stoned | rpc: tunneled connection should work in theory.. |
| 02:44.04 | abrotman | roadnav was just so much fun to play with :) |
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| 02:44.06 | rpc | stoned ya, thought so too |
| 02:44.14 | gravity | Wyzard: It's gotten *much* better I think |
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| 02:44.38 | abrotman | xgl has gotten better or aiglx ? |
| 02:44.46 | gravity | Wyzard: I've uploaded yesterday's git HEAD but it has to go through NEW as well. If you have problems with laptop displays, you may want to do a custom build from git. We've made that a lot easier now though. |
| 02:44.56 | yxa | if i booted up with hda1, can i use dd to get hda to an image? would i have problems with open/locked files? |
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| 02:45.08 | gravity | I may actually publicly make a script available to let people build bleeding edge drivers from our packaging without any hassle to facilitate testing and fun |
| 02:45.14 | stoned | rpc: if mysql thinks the connection originated from localhost you're set. Otherwise you'd have to enable mysql to accept connections from other hos |
| 02:45.22 | abrotman | gravity: good plan! |
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| 02:45.26 | Wyzard | gravity: Well, I worked around that bug by disabling the automatic output switching with ibm-acpi |
| 02:45.30 | enouf | blazemonger: are you the guy we earlier told to; |
| 02:45.30 | enouf | dlocate aclocal | grep bin |
| 02:45.31 | enouf | automake1.4: /usr/bin/aclocal-1.4 |
| 02:45.31 | enouf | automake1.9: /usr/bin/aclocal-1.9 |
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| 02:45.40 | abrotman | if mysql is listening only on localhost .. i don't think it will accept the tunneled connection |
| 02:45.47 | rpc | abrotman why? |
| 02:45.47 | enouf | wow .. oops :-P |
| 02:45.59 | blazemonger | automake1.4: Conflicts: automake |
| 02:46.00 | blazemonger | E: Broken packages |
| 02:46.01 | rpc | abrotman it sees it as localhost one, right? |
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| 02:46.05 | Wyzard | gravity: I don't see the new modesetting driver in experimental though... or do I need to wait until tomorrow? |
| 02:46.08 | enouf | stupid Xim input method |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | rpc: it's only listening on lo .. maybe ask #mysql .. |
| 02:46.16 | gravity | Wyzard: It should be there... |
| 02:46.23 | rpc | i tried they are mute on that :/ |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | rpc: switch to pgsql! :) |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | rpc: you can use netstat to see what's going on probably |
| 02:46.41 | rpc | stoned i do think so too but it doesn't damn work :/ |
| 02:46.45 | rpc | abrotman hm |
| 02:46.47 | enouf | gravity: what the heck is Xim vs Simple .. besides "complicated" .. lol |
| 02:46.55 | gravity | enouf: Huh? |
| 02:47.04 | stoned | I think I need nyquil |
| 02:47.05 | Guerin | abrotman: how much conversion do databases and scripts and so on normally require, from my -> postgre |
| 02:47.09 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:47.09 | stoned | coming down with something |
| 02:47.13 | rpc | abrotman i would say whatever comes out of the tunnel appears to come from lo |
| 02:47.16 | Wyzard | gravity: oh, nevermind, I was looking for a new version of the non-modesetting package :-) |
| 02:47.16 | enouf | gravity: never mind .. it's an "Input Method" |
| 02:47.42 | rpc | abrotman so not sure why it doesn't work for mysql :/ |
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| 02:47.57 | abrotman | Guerin: depends on the app .. some of them use an abstraction layer .. i've converted websites from using mysql to pgsql .. usually takes a couple of days IIRC |
| 02:48.00 | enouf | gravity: I see it in my irc client as a choice and Epiphany-browser also has many others |
| 02:48.09 | gravity | Wyzard: You want to get the new server too |
| 02:48.19 | Guerin | abrotman: mm, ok. |
| 02:48.20 | gravity | Wyzard: And also the new mesa packages |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | Guerin: if they use the abstraction .. the switch should be easy (Pear, or Perl:adodb or whtaever it is) |
| 02:48.27 | enouf | gravity: ksirc .. perl-based .. but nm :-( |
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| 02:50.36 | Wyzard | gravity: xserver-xorg-core, libdrm2 (dependency of xserver-xorg-core), libgl1-mesa-dri, libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 02:50.41 | Wyzard | gravity: Any others I should upgrade? |
| 02:50.59 | enouf | blazemonger: ls -al /usr/bin/aclocal |
| 02:50.59 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2006-07-14 10:28 /usr/bin/aclocal -> /etc/alternatives/aclocal |
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| 02:51.15 | enouf | blazemonger: see man update-alternatives |
| 02:51.44 | gravity | Wyzard: I think that should do it |
| 02:51.54 | enouf | blazemonger: updtae-alternatives --config aclocal should give you a choice |
| 02:51.59 | gravity | Wyzard: But I could be wrong. Mesa always confuses me. |
| 02:52.04 | enouf | mayve |
| 02:52.10 | enouf | er maybe |
| 02:52.21 | enouf | gravity: you too ? :-) |
| 02:52.39 | gravity | enouf: It's a beast |
| 02:52.45 | rpc | abrotman, stoned: this is what i did, exactly same thing: http://www.whoopis.com/howtos/mysql_ssh_howto.html so it should work :/ |
| 02:53.00 | blazemonger | i'm wondering if i updated to sid properly..i did apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:53.05 | Wyzard | 13MB... it is indeed a beast |
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| 02:53.25 | blazemonger | and apt-get clean |
| 02:53.25 | Wyzard | blazemonger: aptitude is preferred over apt-get, but what you did is basically correct |
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| 02:53.41 | enouf | gravity: I'm so enthrlled whenever I man X<tab><tab> or {x} .. and XDMCP is seriously intimidating |
| 02:53.45 | blazemonger | why's aptitutde preferred |
| 02:53.58 | gravity | enouf: Heh, I've been way too lazy to play with xdmcp yet |
| 02:54.04 | abrotman | rpc: makes sense .. but what doesn't work ? |
| 02:54.10 | Wyzard | blazemonger: better handling of complex interdependencies... and it's just more powerful in general |
| 02:54.24 | enouf | gravity: throw in any OpenGL .. and Mesa .. I'm screwed ;-) |
| 02:54.52 | rahul | blazemonger: apt-get was a temporary hack |
| 02:54.59 | enouf | !$DIETYBless our younguns |
| 02:55.05 | enouf | :-) |
| 02:55.26 | blazemonger | how do i do it with aptitude |
| 02:55.30 | gravity | I'm still waiting for someone to write me my google-like apt frontend |
| 02:55.53 | abrotman | google.com |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | done! |
| 02:55.58 | enouf | Kpackage Manager? |
| 02:56.10 | abrotman | wtf is a google-like apt frontend ? |
| 02:56.28 | gravity | abrotman: You know google's front page? That'd be your interface to apt. |
| 02:56.43 | abrotman | gravity: to do what? install stuff ? |
| 02:56.44 | gravity | abrotman: You search, it spits our results, you click or hit TUI buttons or whatever |
| 02:56.47 | abrotman | and really in a webpage ? |
| 02:56.57 | gravity | No, not really in a webpage |
| 02:57.05 | abrotman | because .. IRIX had that :) |
| 02:57.09 | gravity | The point being that the search is the interface, not the massive list of shit |
| 02:57.22 | blazemonger | how do i properly update to sid? |
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| 02:57.29 | abrotman | i'd settle for a text search on bugs.d.o .. and don's doesn't work so well IME |
| 02:57.44 | dendrite | blazemonger: Sid is not an upgrade. |
| 02:57.46 | haggz | blazemonger: why do you want to use sid? It's much more broken |
| 02:57.53 | Wyzard | gravity: Well, video doesn't lock the system with this driver |
| 02:58.01 | gravity | Wyzard: Excellent! |
| 02:58.17 | blazemonger | broken? |
| 02:58.17 | abrotman | blazemonger: if you have to ask .. please don't |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:58.23 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 02:58.26 | g333k_laptop | hello I'm having a problem when saving files changing the default language, it ask me to start the recovery tool, any clue? |
| 02:58.42 | Wyzard | gravity: mplayer doesn't seem to respond to my keypresses (like Escape to stop the video) -- seems to think they're joystick buttons or something, and tells me there's no binding... but that could just be an mplayer issue |
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| 02:58.51 | dendrite | blazemonger: If you are interested in Sid (A.K.A. "Unstable"), you need to understand the system well enough that you already understand how to do this... |
| 02:58.55 | enouf | blazemonger: look in /etc/alterentives .. NOW! |
| 02:59.01 | enouf | blazemonger: look in /etc/alternatives .. NOW! |
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| 02:59.08 | enouf | ttypo |
| 02:59.38 | blazemonger | i like to stayok |
| 02:59.40 | blazemonger | im there |
| 02:59.46 | gravity | Or if you're willing to search things out even if you don't know your system, it's a good way to learn |
| 02:59.53 | enouf | stayok? like cayaking? |
| 02:59.55 | gravity | Although asking on irc doesn't constitute searching things out |
| 03:00.55 | blazemonger | should i change my etch tags to testing? |
| 03:01.04 | enouf | !wthayttd blazemonger |
| 03:01.12 | enouf | !wthafttd blazemonger |
| 03:01.16 | enouf | nope |
| 03:01.22 | blazemonger | i should change my name to blazedbong |
| 03:01.28 | Wyzard | gravity: 3D rendering is very slow, as if it's being done in software, even though glxinfo says I have direct rendering |
| 03:01.32 | enouf | the A fscked me .. |
| 03:02.07 | gravity | Wyzard: You restarted the X server? |
| 03:02.08 | blazemonger | enouf:i'm Puff The Magic Dragon |
| 03:02.16 | Wyzard | gravity: yep |
| 03:02.35 | Wyzard | gravity: I'll reboot the whole laptop just in case, though that shouldn't make a difference |
| 03:02.36 | enouf | does he live By the sea with the Meet the Parents? |
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| 03:02.45 | blazemonger | i live by the sea |
| 03:02.59 | blazemonger | I actually voted for Puff the Magic Dragon |
| 03:03.11 | blazemonger | for supreme court justice |
| 03:03.28 | rpc | got the damn database to work over tunnel... woah! |
| 03:03.31 | Wyzard | gravity: btw, I still get the "libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b" warning when I run OpenGL stuff, though that happens with the non-modesetting driver too and it seems harmless |
| 03:03.31 | enouf | blazemonger: what are you actually trying to do ? not that I can help ;-) |
| 03:03.33 | unseensoul | iptables doesn't come with any pre-defined rules! which are the default rules that ought be applied? |
| 03:03.51 | Guerin | unseensoul: if you don't know what you need, then there are none. |
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| 03:04.01 | blazemonger | enouf:i want to use sid mostly for working with audio progz |
| 03:04.03 | abrotman | !tell unseensoul about iptables |
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| 03:04.06 | Guerin | unseensoul: no firewall at all is better than a firewall you don't understand |
| 03:04.08 | blazemonger | ive had ppl reccomend sid to me |
| 03:04.14 | Guerin | blazemonger: ppl are stupid |
| 03:04.17 | abrotman | blazemonger: they should be shot |
| 03:04.17 | gravity | Wyzard: That warning doesn't matter. Could you set LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose and put the output of running something like glxgears in a pastebin? |
| 03:04.29 | Wyzard | gravity: sure, once I finish rebooting |
| 03:04.35 | enouf | blazemonger: then prepare for some breakage ..what does that have to do with automake? |
| 03:04.36 | gravity | ok |
| 03:05.13 | blazemonger | enouf:i want to have all of the automake/autoconf versions installed |
| 03:05.19 | blazemonger | like i have done before |
| 03:05.25 | enouf | blazemonger: note: the collective mass of germs are not much more than poo throwers |
| 03:05.26 | abrotman | blazemonger: install them one by one |
| 03:05.51 | enouf | blazemonger: then visit pdo .. find the versions and dpkg -i each |
| 03:06.12 | enouf | blazemonger: poo throwers == monkees |
| 03:06.51 | blazemonger | pdo? |
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| 03:07.22 | unseensoul | Guerin, you didn't understand me. I would like to know how to deny all incoming packets and then allowing some services that I use |
| 03:07.25 | unseensoul | abrotman, thanks |
| 03:07.26 | deadbeef | hi there, excuseme, how can i prevent my box to "beep" ? |
| 03:07.36 | abrotman | !bell |
| 03:07.36 | dpkg | it has been said that bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 03:07.42 | Guerin | unseensoul: ok. I didn't understand you because you didn't explain yourself. |
| 03:07.43 | HymnToLife | disconnect the speaker ? |
| 03:08.00 | deadbeef | abrotman: i don't have X |
| 03:08.05 | Guerin | unseensoul: set the default policy to DROP, then set various ports/protocols/sources to ACCEPT as needed |
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| 03:08.25 | abrotman | deadbeef: that's fine ... read the whole thing |
| 03:08.45 | unseensoul | Guerin, yes you're right. I'm sorry and thank you :) |
| 03:08.50 | Wyzard | gravity: http://pastebin.ca/356499 |
| 03:09.24 | Wyzard | gravity: glxgears seems fine, probably because it's simple enough for my CPU to render... "busyspheres" is my screensaver and that's choppy |
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| 03:11.11 | walnet | i have to use a non-standard port for my webserver on my wlan. is there a way to auto-convert port 80 to my non-standard, via router setting, say? |
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| 03:11.25 | gravity | Wyzard: You're right, I'm actually getting the same problem. I hadn't tested anything but glxgears. |
| 03:11.29 | stoned | walnet: no |
| 03:11.30 | gravity | Wyzard: I'll have to look in to it more. |
| 03:11.34 | stoned | walnet: use dyndns.com |
| 03:11.45 | stoned | walnet: do a port redirect |
| 03:12.07 | abrotman | walnet: some routers let oyu do that |
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| 03:12.24 | eshaase_ | anyone here familiar with ifplugd? if so, any idea how to get rid of the lag involved? |
| 03:12.33 | walnet | abrotman: linksys wrt54g with ver4 firmware? |
| 03:12.45 | stoned | no |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | walnet: i don't own that model .. you'll have to poke around a bit |
| 03:13.01 | stoned | not even with ddwrt or hyper/open wrt |
| 03:13.03 | Wyzard | eshaase: Look in its config file -- /etc/default/ifplugd I think |
| 03:13.04 | abrotman | walnet: my dlink lets me do that .. and it's pretty old |
| 03:13.06 | stoned | you could not do it with that router |
| 03:13.30 | abrotman | i'd be shocked if the linksys didn't let you do it |
| 03:14.06 | stoned | but the router does support dyndns |
| 03:14.06 | abrotman | though .. it is linksys :) |
| 03:14.06 | stoned | its easy enough |
| 03:14.06 | stoned | look at http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 03:14.06 | stoned | see where that goes |
| 03:14.06 | stoned | itrs trivial and fun |
| 03:14.06 | Wyzard | stoned: OpenWRT (which dd-wrt is built on) supports that |
| 03:14.08 | walnet | stoned: i use no-ip and it has port 80 redirect. not clear about the concept. will it re-direct to no-ip server? |
| 03:14.13 | stoned | not when I used it |
| 03:15.01 | Wyzard | walnet: Most likely, it points your DNS to a no-ip server which, when contacted, responds with an HTTP redirect to your real IP and the new port number |
| 03:16.05 | walnet | Wyzard: in the end, it will still be my server? and there would be banners added to the pages? |
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| 03:16.34 | abrotman | yeah .. my old crappy router lets me .. that linksys should let you |
| 03:16.49 | Wyzard | walnet: If my hypothesis is correct, yes, it'll end up going to your server and there won't be any banners |
| 03:16.52 | abrotman | but i don't think i've touched a linksys in a really long time |
| 03:17.15 | enouf | !tell blazemonger about pdo |
| 03:17.19 | walnet | Wyzard: thks, will check further on that. |
| 03:17.39 | Wyzard | walnet: However, it'd mean that you can't use the service for anything *other* than HTTP... no SSH or whatever, because the domain name doesn't point directly to your real server and there's no such thing as an SSH redirect |
| 03:18.10 | walnet | Wyzard: understood. |
| 03:18.16 | stoned | not entirely correct Wyzard |
| 03:18.21 | Wyzard | walnet: (again, if my hypothesis is correct... I'm guessing based on what seems like a sensible way to implement port 80 redirection) |
| 03:19.02 | stoned | letme.getmyip.com goes to my ip |
| 03:19.08 | walnet | i think i'll check the router first since abrotman said his old router allows redirection. |
| 03:19.13 | stoned | it isn't port 80 specific |
| 03:19.15 | stoned | or http |
| 03:19.19 | Wyzard | stoned: then how does it redirect port 80? |
| 03:19.31 | stoned | stoned.is.dreaming.org does that |
| 03:19.33 | stoned | :) |
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| 03:20.06 | Wyzard | stoned: OK, so you just have different domains -- one that points directly, and one that does the indirect HTTP-specific port-changing thing |
| 03:20.07 | walnet | what is Cow Tales? |
| 03:20.12 | stoned | yup |
| 03:20.16 | stoned | you are correct |
| 03:20.24 | gravity | Holy shit, I want a video game named Cow Tales. |
| 03:20.28 | stoned | it is possible, just not really with the linksys |
| 03:20.32 | stoned | I have that same router |
| 03:20.44 | stoned | I'm poking around in the config right now |
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| 03:21.02 | GeorgeS069 | walnet: get in your router and go to Applications and Gaming and set the Port Forward |
| 03:21.04 | walnet | stoned: hope you can come up with redirection. |
| 03:21.13 | stoned | walnet: I'm trying |
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| 03:21.27 | stoned | GeorgeS069: you don't get it |
| 03:21.29 | eshaase_ | on a standard debian install, where is it specified to bring up network interfaces at bootup? |
| 03:21.32 | walnet | GeorgeS069: done that. i can successfully use port 1111. |
| 03:21.32 | stoned | NOT possible with the router |
| 03:21.40 | Wyzard | gravity: If I switch back to the non-modesetting driver it works correctly, even with the new Mesa |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | so it does work! |
| 03:21.42 | stoned | you can't redirect port 80 from router to internal lan |
| 03:21.51 | walnet | stoned: thks. |
| 03:21.53 | eshaase_ | does it just load up network interfaces automatically based on /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:22.02 | stoned | because the router runs on port 80 and will accept the connection and not forward it |
| 03:22.09 | stoned | it is locked in router afaik |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | the router runs on port 80 ? |
| 03:22.14 | GeorgeS069 | you can if you put the routers http on a different port |
| 03:22.16 | stoned | 80 and 8080 |
| 03:22.20 | Wyzard | gravity: though now I get a warning about "drmWaitVblank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly" |
| 03:22.21 | stoned | abrotman: for the web interface config |
| 03:22.30 | abrotman | only two? what a piece of crap |
| 03:22.37 | stoned | it is a linksys man |
| 03:22.38 | stoned | c'mon |
| 03:22.42 | GeorgeS069 | well,you can change that on mine..or disable it |
| 03:22.46 | eshaase_ | on a standard debian install, where is it specified to bring up network interfaces at bootup? are they automatically started based on /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 03:22.47 | enouf | !pos |
| 03:22.47 | dpkg | i heard pos is defined as Piece Of Shit. or Point of Sale |
| 03:22.53 | stoned | you're expecting maybe a high end cisco for 30$ |
| 03:22.57 | walnet | stoned: it is actually converting 80 to another number, a number to number change, should it trivial for the router. |
| 03:22.59 | Wyzard | stoned: That's why you put OpenWRT on it and just SSH in rather than running a webserver on it :-) |
| 03:23.13 | stoned | Wyzard: well yeah |
| 03:23.20 | stoned | Wyzard: but not everyone is as l33t as I |
| 03:23.21 | stoned | ;) |
| 03:23.31 | abrotman | the router should do it .. it really should .. and should require a cisco router |
| 03:23.31 | Wyzard | stoned: but anyway, running a webserver locally on port 80 doesn't have to prevent it from forwarding incoming port 80 connections to a different port internally |
| 03:23.33 | blazemonger | stoned:do you use sid? |
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| 03:23.44 | gravity | Wyzard: I don't know for sure, but I don't think that error is the problem |
| 03:23.58 | stoned | Wyzard: this piece of shit has given me more grief than abrotman |
| 03:24.02 | stoned | I mean.. |
| 03:24.04 | abrotman | then kill it |
| 03:24.07 | abrotman | and me! |
| 03:24.14 | stoned | if it were legal |
| 03:24.18 | stoned | you can count on it |
| 03:24.21 | abrotman | you can kill a linksys |
| 03:24.23 | blazemonger | is Ubuntu blasphemy? |
| 03:24.37 | walnet | Wyzard: port 80 is blocked by ISP for home systems. |
| 03:24.46 | stoned | and so is 25 |
| 03:24.50 | stoned | worm propagation |
| 03:24.55 | stoned | isps lock em down |
| 03:24.58 | GeorgeS069 | I killed my first linksys |
| 03:24.58 | Wyzard | gravity: It didn't happen with the old Mesa, but I've gotten some other vblank-related warning at some point in the past, and my understanding is that wait-for-vblank doesn't work well in Linux anyway |
| 03:24.58 | abrotman | walnet: not all ISP block that |
| 03:25.01 | gravity | blazemonger: No, but you should go to #ubuntu for help if you're using it, since they actually know something about ubuntu |
| 03:25.07 | Wyzard | walnet: By some ISPs, I know |
| 03:25.13 | stoned | mine does |
| 03:25.15 | stoned | goddamn cox |
| 03:25.18 | stoned | what a buncha cox |
| 03:25.23 | stoned | I swear to god... |
| 03:25.25 | abrotman | most do .. but not all |
| 03:25.28 | blazemonger | what's wierd is i want to run sid so i can have the up to date packages ubuntu has |
| 03:25.33 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 03:25.34 | dpkg | dnuts is probably Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> |
| 03:25.35 | Wyzard | My current one (Comcast) doesn't, but the one I plan on switching to (Verizon FiOS) does |
| 03:25.39 | blazemonger | since ubuntu is based on sid and i want to0 create my own distro |
| 03:26.10 | walnet | abrotman: mine does. that is why i have to use a non-80 port but i want it to be transparent, that's why i am asking bout auto converting the 80. |
| 03:26.33 | Wyzard | gravity: btw, would it be any help to you (unrelated to the i810 OpenGL issue) if I were to test the new xserver-xorg-core with nVidia? |
| 03:26.35 | abrotman | walnet: or you could run your LAN HTTPD on a nonstandard port :_) |
| 03:26.58 | gravity | Wyzard: If you'd like, although that driver hasn't been built against the new server yet |
| 03:27.05 | stoned | blazemonger: are you a linux guru? |
| 03:27.19 | stoned | blazemonger: on a scale from 1-10, how much Debian do you now? |
| 03:27.20 | blazemonger | far friom it |
| 03:27.21 | Wyzard | gravity: sid's nvidia-glx won't work with it? |
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| 03:27.25 | blazemonger | i'm a programmer though |
| 03:27.32 | Wyzard | gravity: sid's xserver-xorg-video-i810 does |
| 03:27.32 | eshaase_ | it seems like network interfaces are brought up automatically on a standard debian install... where is this behavior defined? do all of the interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces attempt to get brough up automatically? |
| 03:27.39 | gravity | Wyzard: It should work fine with the old driver though |
| 03:27.44 | stoned | let us see the updated factoid |
| 03:27.46 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:27.46 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 03:27.46 | dpkg | methinks dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 03:27.49 | enouf | blazemonger: stop trolling .. or go away |
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| 03:27.54 | gravity | Wyzard: I'm not sure about nvidia-glx. I don't really care so much about that |
| 03:27.54 | stoned | blazemonger: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:28.10 | enouf | !tell blazemonger -about reference |
| 03:28.16 | enouf | !tell blazemonger -about m-g |
| 03:28.22 | enouf | !tell blazemonger -about mg |
| 03:28.30 | Wyzard | gravity: Well, I'll give it a try... I'm already running the experimental 9746 version, so I might as well run it with an experimental xorg too :-) |
| 03:28.34 | gravity | Wyzard: Ok |
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| 03:28.51 | stoned | experimental |
| 03:28.55 | stoned | oooh sounds kinky. |
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| 03:29.06 | Wyzard | gravity: argh, nevermind... looks like you didn't build amd64 packages :-) |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | !blame gravity |
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| 03:29.28 | Wyzard | nah, not his fault |
| 03:29.29 | enouf | blazemonger: do not ask anymore till you understand ALL of that documentation .. or most of it ;-) |
| 03:29.33 | Nemoder | is the nvu html editor in debian? I can't seem to find it |
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| 03:29.44 | gravity | I don't know what autobuilders are running for experimental right now |
| 03:29.47 | abrotman | Nemoder: they stopped developing it a while ago |
| 03:30.01 | Wyzard | gravity: I wasn't aware experimental was autobuilt at all |
| 03:30.02 | abrotman | Nemoder: Composer is in Mozilla/Iceape |
| 03:30.07 | stoned | Nemoder: open up w3schools.org and a text editor |
| 03:30.14 | gravity | Wyzard: Yep, most arches should be iirc |
| 03:30.26 | Nemoder | abrotman: ok, it's basicly the same thing as iceape's editor then? |
| 03:30.30 | Wyzard | gravity: Anyway, I'll try it sometime if I notice the packages available, but I doubt there'll be any major problems |
| 03:30.42 | stoned | Nemoder: iceape editor is basically mozilla-composer |
| 03:30.49 | abrotman | Nemoder: not really .. but the Composer will get you by if you can't write your own HTML |
| 03:30.51 | gravity | Wyzard: Cool |
| 03:31.02 | abrotman | Nemoder: there's also Bluefish |
| 03:31.09 | stoned | bluefish is the SHIT! |
| 03:31.15 | Nemoder | abrotman: well there's a nvu deb on their website, was going to try that but was curious why it wasn't in debian |
| 03:31.18 | stoned | goddamn never has a finer piece of software been developed |
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| 03:31.28 | stoned | oh... I mean.. debian is good too |
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| 03:31.35 | stoned | hehe |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | Nemoder: it was at one time .. it's been removed |
| 03:31.42 | gravity | bluefish? I don't remember it being anything special |
| 03:31.55 | Nemoder | abrotman: http://www.nvu.com/download.php the one here works i mean |
| 03:31.56 | stoned | gravity: I love me some fish that is blue |
| 03:31.58 | abrotman | good for web stuff |
| 03:32.06 | Wyzard | gravity: Eclipse is a finer piece of software than bluefish :-P |
| 03:32.07 | abrotman | Nemoder: hey .. if it works .. use it |
| 03:32.28 | Nemoder | abrotman: yeah, I don't really NEED it as such just wondered if there was some license problem keeping it out of debian |
| 03:32.29 | stoned | Wyzard: Quanta perhaps |
| 03:32.30 | gravity | Wyzard: I haven't looked at eclipse in years. It seemed impressive though... heavy |
| 03:32.32 | enouf | now! .. lemmee listen to the congreescritters while they discuss iraq (mutes when an R appears :-P) |
| 03:32.34 | Wyzard | though maybe not for PHP, but PHP isn't that great anyway |
| 03:32.35 | stoned | ever use quanta |
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| 03:32.40 | stoned | I never could figure it out |
| 03:32.54 | Wyzard | gravity: Yeah, it's a little heavy, but the refactoring tools make it all worthwhile |
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| 03:33.09 | Wyzard | gravity: for Java at least... I haven't done much in other languages with it |
| 03:33.15 | abrotman | Nemoder: not that i remember .. i just think they stopped developing it |
| 03:33.26 | Nemoder | abrotman: ok, thanks for info |
| 03:33.36 | abrotman | Nemoder: or you could ask on irc.mozilla.org |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | though .. if you mention Debian there .. they might kill you |
| 03:33.46 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, I haven't looked at java seriously in yearas |
| 03:34.07 | gravity | Although I guess if I ever end up doing serious hacking on imagej (which is a real possibility) I'll have a look |
| 03:35.05 | Nemoder | abrotman: FYI the deb on nvu.com seems to works perfectly on etch |
| 03:35.09 | Wyzard | gravity: I'm using it currently for a personal project, mostly because Eclipse's refactoring stuff is really useful while I'm trying to work out the basic design... I'll probably port it to some other language later, once I know how I want it to work |
| 03:35.26 | gravity | Cool |
| 03:35.27 | abrotman | Nemoder: yay! |
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| 03:37.19 | enouf | Nemoder: dunno http://packages.qa.debian.org/n/nvu.html |
| 03:37.20 | Miesco | Is there a java applet ssh client? |
| 03:37.26 | transgress | is there a netinst for sid? |
| 03:37.41 | abrotman | Miesco: yes |
| 03:37.48 | Wyzard | transgress: You can install sid with etch's netinst, I believe, if you choose "expert" mode |
| 03:37.52 | Miesco | abrotman: Okay, what is it called? |
| 03:38.10 | abrotman | google! |
| 03:38.14 | eshaase_ | how do i disable the automatic configuring of network interfaces at boot-time? |
| 03:38.37 | Wyzard | eshaase: Comment out the "auto" lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:38.42 | abrotman | eshaase: man 5 interfaces |
| 03:38.49 | Nemoder | eniac: ahh problems on non x86 systems, I guess that makes sense to pull it from debian if nobody was willing to fix it |
| 03:38.54 | eshaase_ | ok, thanks |
| 03:38.57 | Wyzard | eshaase: though you probably don't want to comment out the one for lo |
| 03:39.01 | Nemoder | err enouf sorry |
| 03:39.09 | eshaase_ | Wyzard: whats lo used for? |
| 03:39.17 | Wyzard | eshaase: 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:39.20 | eshaase_ | Wyzard: i know its a loopback but will that cause problems? |
| 03:39.25 | unlink | routing traffic from your box to your box |
| 03:39.31 | Wyzard | eshaase: A lot of things depend on that |
| 03:39.32 | strav | he there. A noob here is trying to configure it's dns server with bind(9) on his dedicated server (rich kid). Now, he has assigned some neat ns1.something.com/ns2 to correctly point to his server's ip and another server acting as a secondary dns. Now, for his tests, he tought he needed some diagnostic tools, dig or nslookup... Well he hadn't any chance with them since they appear to output the same damn thing wheter bind is on or off... So he used a we |
| 03:39.32 | strav | b service to diagnostic and he's getting some weird response: server failure coz of fucked up soa... anyone can help? |
| 03:39.32 | enouf | Nemoder: no biggy .. thank $diety atleast you READ! ;-) |
| 03:39.36 | Miesco | abrotman: I did, I just need to know THE java applet ssh client |
| 03:39.41 | enouf | er deity |
| 03:39.55 | abrotman | Miesco: i don't know it .. i know there is one |
| 03:40.09 | transgress | okay i have ndiswrapper installed, running at boot, bcm43xx not loading, ndiswrapper sees my hardware, but i can't get my wireless to show up in NetworkManager |
| 03:40.11 | Miesco | abrotman: Im using mindterm right now |
| 03:40.12 | transgress | any clues? |
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| 03:40.28 | bbelt16ag | evening peeps |
| 03:40.33 | abrotman | bcm43xx-fwcutter maybe |
| 03:40.43 | MatBoy-[ph] | There is a java ssh client |
| 03:40.59 | bbelt16ag | i am trying to find all the links to '.de' websites in a url .. |
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| 03:41.20 | transgress | abrotman: not working right. i was using bcm43xx and it started acting dumb |
| 03:41.31 | bbelt16ag | i tried greping for .de but it keeps getting unrelated files.. |
| 03:41.32 | abrotman | acting dumb ? |
| 03:41.47 | enouf | man wget bbelt16ag maybe |
| 03:41.48 | abrotman | bbelt16ag: escape the . |
| 03:41.50 | Mrnotproper | i'm fucking agree with strav ... |
| 03:42.00 | transgress | i forget the exact error but it was something in dmesg about SoftMAC and it wouldn't ever connect to any wifi ap |
| 03:42.32 | abrotman | strav: try a whois .. where are your DNS servers located ? |
| 03:42.32 | Wyzard | transgress: softmac is the wifi equivalent of a winmodem |
| 03:42.54 | Wyzard | transgress: less hardware, more complex driver and firmware |
| 03:43.06 | abrotman | Mrnotproper: you didn't even see what he said |
| 03:43.10 | strav | abrotman, they point to my ded server |
| 03:43.18 | enouf | Mrnotproper: are you a fucken idiot? |
| 03:43.22 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 03:43.25 | abrotman | strav: what OS is on your server ? |
| 03:43.25 | bbelt16ag | ty abrot |
| 03:43.28 | strav | debian |
| 03:43.31 | Mrnotproper | abrotman: yeah I try to configure bind with strav |
| 03:43.36 | strav | (this is why I'm here) |
| 03:43.51 | abrotman | strav: what's the domain? |
| 03:43.58 | bbelt16ag | hmm |
| 03:44.04 | strav | inovo.ca |
| 03:44.06 | transgress | Wyzard: it was this error http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2006-December/msg03892.html |
| 03:44.07 | bbelt16ag | like \.\ ? |
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| 03:44.10 | Mrnotproper | enouf: just like you ;) |
| 03:44.11 | bbelt16ag | i forget.. |
| 03:44.24 | abrotman | strav: NS1-Netaddress: 213.186.46.184 .. that's yours ? |
| 03:44.28 | strav | yep |
| 03:44.33 | strav | (ded server) |
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| 03:44.53 | Wyzard | transgress: Those exact messages, or just those sort of messages mentioning SoftMAC? |
| 03:45.25 | enouf | Mrnotproper: do NOT march in here whining (especially if you expect help) .. or you'll be silenced |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | is bind on ? |
| 03:45.35 | transgress | it was that exact message |
| 03:45.35 | abrotman | is there a firewall ? |
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| 03:45.46 | eshaase_ | Wyzard: ok, i troubleshooted my ifplugd issue. it seems like my system lags whenever ifplugd polls, any idea how to minimize the lag? |
| 03:45.54 | transgress | although sometimes it stopped at 00:11:95:18:b4:40. Dec 28 21:22:40 camomile kernel: SoftMAC: Already associating or associated to 00:11:95:18:b4:40 Dec 28 21:22:40 camomile kernel: |
| 03:46.02 | transgress | well before the Dec 28 stuff |
| 03:46.09 | stoned_ | uhh |
| 03:46.11 | stoned_ | wtf |
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| 03:46.16 | abrotman | you have a tail |
| 03:46.21 | stoned_ | I noticed |
| 03:46.28 | transgress | it was always SoftMAC: Already associated or associated to blah |
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| 03:46.35 | Wyzard | eshaase: Your whole system pauses for a moment when ifplugd checks whether there's a cable plugged in? |
| 03:46.39 | Mrnotproper | enouf: i'm just joking with you ;) |
| 03:46.46 | stoned | did I quit yet |
| 03:46.54 | eshaase_ | Wyzard: yeah |
| 03:46.54 | abrotman | stoned: the other you did |
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| 03:47.08 | eshaase_ | Wyzard: i changed the poll-time and realized this |
| 03:47.08 | stoned | hmm |
| 03:47.10 | Wyzard | eshaase: That sounds like a hardware or driver issue... try a different kind of network card |
| 03:47.42 | strav | abrotman: sprry for the delay... bind is on and listening... |
| 03:47.54 | abrotman | strav: and the firewall ? |
| 03:48.00 | Wyzard | transgress: "SoftMAC" in itself isn't an error... that's just the part of the driver that happens to be printing the messages |
| 03:48.28 | abrotman | strav: i think i'd have to see your named.conf and your zone file |
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| 03:48.50 | transgress | okay but regardless i am still trying to figure out why ndiswrapper isn't working with network manager... |
| 03:49.05 | transgress | ndiswrapper works with wifi g anyways so i'd prefer that |
| 03:49.05 | strav | abrotman, I don't think so... the online tool I'm using can query the dns server (it sends me an error when I turn of the server) |
| 03:49.08 | stoned | stoned_ is still connected and there is no connection from my side |
| 03:49.15 | stoned | wtf happened |
| 03:49.31 | abrotman | strav: yes .. bind is running .. but not answering for inovo.ca |
| 03:49.41 | Wyzard | transgress: networkmanager writes lots of info to syslog, so "tail -f /var/log/syslog" while trying to get NM to connect can be very informative |
| 03:49.44 | strav | abrotman: named .conf seems to be ok since bind dosn't crash. |
| 03:49.48 | Wyzard | transgress: or does NM not see the card at all? |
| 03:49.55 | bbelt16ag | i am confused again |
| 03:49.56 | abrotman | strav: it might not be reading your zone file though |
| 03:50.05 | bbelt16ag | grep -i \\'*.de' like that? |
| 03:50.10 | transgress | Wyzard: it's not showing my wireless at all with ndiswrapper |
| 03:50.30 | enouf | iwconfig |
| 03:50.45 | enouf | apt-get install wireless-tools |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | strav: there's also a #dns and #bind |
| 03:50.56 | Wyzard | enouf: Does ifconfig/iwconfig show the interface as existing? |
| 03:50.57 | strav | abrotman, ok, well... I'll just paste you that on a pastebin (named.conf, local, options, and zone) |
| 03:51.05 | abrotman | !paster |
| 03:51.05 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:51.23 | enouf | Wyzard: I have nfc when it comes to wifi .. and little to none with wired ;-) |
| 03:51.35 | strav | abrotman, what do you think? if it dosen't respond for inovo.ca, that should mean the problem is actually in the zone file.? |
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| 03:51.47 | abrotman | or named.conf isn't reading your zone file |
| 03:51.51 | Wyzard | enouf: oops |
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| 03:52.00 | Wyzard | transgress: Does ifconfig/iwconfig show the interface as existing? |
| 03:52.03 | enouf | Wyzard: I go on gut mostly .. no prob ;-) |
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| 03:52.33 | strav | abrotman, perhaps, though I checked twice the path config, etc... anyways, I'll paste that. |
| 03:52.43 | Wyzard | transgress: Make sure wireless-tools is installed as enouf said, and run "iwlist scan" to see if you get a list of available wireless networks |
| 03:52.45 | transgress | Wyzard: one second |
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| 03:53.32 | transgress | Wyzard: no it's not showing up in it |
| 03:53.47 | Wyzard | transgress: then your problem isn't networkmanager, it's ndiswrapper itself |
| 03:53.57 | Wyzard | transgress: Make sure the ndiswrapper module is loaded, first of all |
| 03:54.06 | transgress | it is |
| 03:54.11 | enouf | Wyzard: another option is (since it;s ndis) is ndiswrapper.sf.net instructs |
| 03:54.15 | transgress | and if i run ndiswrapper -l it says the hardware is present |
| 03:54.23 | Wyzard | transgress: OK, I was about to suggest that |
| 03:54.37 | transgress | i've set it up before. it's just acting dumb |
| 03:54.46 | Wyzard | transgress: so ndiswrapper is theoretically installed and configured correctly, but it just doesn't see your card? |
| 03:55.17 | Wyzard | transgress: Unload and reload the ndiswrapper module and check dmesg for diagnostic info... or see ndiswrapper.sf.net as enouf suggested |
| 03:55.18 | transgress | exactly. it does see the card, but it doesn't. |
| 03:55.19 | transgress | magic |
| 03:55.23 | transgress | oka |
| 03:55.24 | transgress | y |
| 03:55.32 | Wyzard | transgress: I don't have much experience with ndiswrapper, unfortunately |
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| 03:55.45 | Wyzard | I've set it up a few times but all I really remember is that I followed the directions and it worked |
| 03:56.13 | Wyzard | so if it doesn't, I don't know |
| 03:56.19 | Firestarter- | I had that problem with ndis wrapper. I remember compiling ndiswrapper manually |
| 03:56.41 | Wyzard | from ndiswrapper-source, you mean? |
| 03:56.45 | Firestarter- | yeah |
| 03:57.02 | Wyzard | I did that for my prism54 card, back before Debian had precompiled ndiswrapper modules |
| 03:57.09 | Firestarter- | the package didn't seem to want to install the module |
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| 03:57.22 | Wyzard | I'd be surprised if it made a difference these days though |
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| 04:00.14 | stoned | hi |
| 04:00.22 | strav | abrotman, here's the link (thanks so much for giving a damn): http://pastebin.ca/356565 |
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| 04:00.49 | pinx | that stoned is hi again |
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| 04:01.20 | strav | (note, I did messed up my initial zone configuration to check the output I would have by doing so) |
| 04:01.31 | abrotman | strav: holy crap .. you realize those time values are seconds right ? |
| 04:01.42 | strav | yes ;) |
| 04:01.46 | stoned | yes he is |
| 04:02.03 | strav | I was worried if I had wrong result because lack of updates |
| 04:02.04 | abrotman | strav: those are WAY too low |
| 04:02.18 | stoned | abrotman: I'm way to high |
| 04:02.23 | strav | hehe |
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| 04:03.02 | abrotman | strav: for starters .. i bleievfe you need a . after ca on 73 |
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| 04:03.22 | pinx | strav: and did you increment the serial ? |
| 04:03.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: or just use '@' |
| 04:03.33 | corran | ok, anyone have a guess as to where I go to change/set my password file preferences (what packages) |
| 04:03.38 | abrotman | Wyzard: he's not |
| 04:03.49 | Wyzard | I know, just suggesting it as an alternative |
| 04:03.51 | corran | I managed to get set up without shadow file |
| 04:03.53 | Wyzard | less redundancy that way |
| 04:04.12 | transgress | haha victory |
| 04:04.26 | Wyzard | transgress: What was the problem? |
| 04:04.52 | stoned | RickyBobby |
| 04:05.02 | strav | pinx: yes I do increment the serial of my zones on every server reload |
| 04:05.18 | strav | abrotman, let me check that... |
| 04:05.23 | transgress | Wyzard: it was the driver i used for it. i downloaded a driver from another source, removed the one i had put in there, reloaded ndiswrapper and eureka |
| 04:05.24 | bbelt16ag | ok i am confused here peeps why is this not working? |
| 04:05.30 | bbelt16ag | # cat current_book_marks.html | sed '/^\.de/ d' | less |
| 04:05.38 | abrotman | strav: double check your syntax on the whole zone file |
| 04:05.40 | pinx | strav: the times are way too low - |
| 04:05.41 | bbelt16ag | er |
| 04:05.42 | Miesco | Can you get java from the debian repository now? |
| 04:05.43 | bbelt16ag | i am stupid |
| 04:05.49 | abrotman | pinx: i said that!!! |
| 04:05.51 | bbelt16ag | ^ means begining of the line.. |
| 04:05.55 | stoned | mepaYancho: in sid you can |
| 04:05.55 | Wyzard | Miesco: Yes, it's been there for awhile |
| 04:06.00 | pinx | abrotman: :) |
| 04:06.02 | Wyzard | Miesco: It's in non-free |
| 04:06.06 | abrotman | oh ... /me forgot he did SPF |
| 04:06.14 | corran | ah good fixed |
| 04:06.16 | Miesco | Isn't it open source now? |
| 04:06.18 | strav | abrotman, I remember having tried with an without the dot for I had read somewhere that you don't need it near the SOA when you're hosting the ns... |
| 04:06.25 | stoned | java? open source? |
| 04:06.32 | Wyzard | Miesco: They released part of it but not the whole thing yet |
| 04:06.34 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 04:06.37 | bbelt16ag | i got it to work wee |
| 04:06.43 | Wyzard | stoned: Sun is in the process of GPLing it |
| 04:06.44 | abrotman | strav: you can get away without it.. but yours isn't setup that way from what i can tell |
| 04:06.45 | strav | pinx: those times are just a test I did, the initial values where decent |
| 04:06.46 | stoned | wee wee, pee pee |
| 04:06.56 | stoned | Wyzard: holy gamoly |
| 04:07.11 | stoned | Wyzard: thats not gonna be good |
| 04:07.20 | stoned | see, java shouldn't exist anymore in this world. |
| 04:07.31 | abrotman | GPL java is bad ? |
| 04:07.34 | Guerin | stoned: why? |
| 04:07.37 | stoned | no, Java is bad |
| 04:07.45 | Guerin | i see gpl java as an unmitigated Good Thing |
| 04:07.49 | Wyzard | stoned: There's nothing wrong with Java |
| 04:08.02 | stoned | I beg to differ |
| 04:08.02 | Guerin | stoned: see ... once it's GPLed people will be able to make it *not*n bad |
| 04:08.09 | stoned | well |
| 04:08.10 | strav | abrotman, ok... I'll reformat my zone file, but eh, I didn't messed too much with the named.conf (and options) do they look ok? |
| 04:08.13 | abrotman | GPL java is better than Sun-has-a-stranglehold-on-it Java |
| 04:08.13 | stoned | ok, I'll buy that Guerin |
| 04:08.20 | Guerin | all the things you hate about java - fix 'em |
| 04:08.31 | Guerin | it's not for sale |
| 04:08.35 | stoned | abrotman: lisensing isn't under discussion here, its the technology itself |
| 04:08.36 | Guerin | it's Free(TM) |
| 04:08.52 | stoned | well I guess I'm just a pessimist |
| 04:08.53 | abrotman | stoned: java isn't the worst language/technology out there |
| 04:09.01 | Wyzard | stoned: What do you fundamentally dislike about Java? |
| 04:09.04 | stoned | not the worst, but one of them |
| 04:09.15 | stoned | Wyzard: I could go on and on, but I'd rather go toke |
| 04:09.23 | Wyzard | and don't just say GC languages suck, or something like that |
| 04:10.31 | corran | Wyzard: I dislike the way it makes a large number of choices for you in the name of "Good Coding" |
| 04:10.38 | blazemonger | is it possible to run the latest vmware in debian stable? |
| 04:10.43 | Guerin | !possible |
| 04:10.43 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. Some things are even plausible! You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 04:11.04 | Guerin | blazemonger: why don't you try? |
| 04:11.04 | pinx | strav: I've just spotted a syntax error - you closed the bracket after teh SOA early |
| 04:11.07 | corran | Wyzard: also sun's craptacular generic support was a major turnoff |
| 04:11.11 | Wyzard | blazemonger: seems likely, though I haven't tried it |
| 04:11.33 | corran | blazemonger: It works in unstable :P |
| 04:11.46 | corran | !unstable |
| 04:11.46 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 04:11.46 | Wyzard | corran: I'm surprised you say that... I greatly prefer Java-with-generics over Java-without-generics |
| 04:12.27 | corran | Wyzard: I like it now, I meant that they weren't in (and were needed) |
| 04:12.40 | pinx | strav: and you *do* need '.' on the ends in the NS line |
| 04:12.44 | Wyzard | corran: ah... but that's been resolved now, pretty nicely |
| 04:12.47 | corran | well, not like, but it is fixed now |
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| 04:13.13 | Wyzard | corran: What do you mean by "large number of choices" though? |
| 04:13.28 | corran | Wyzard: stuff like one class per file |
| 04:13.32 | Wyzard | ah |
| 04:13.41 | strav | pinx: I agree I should have pasted a clean version of my zone when I had them, still, perhaps those errors where there at the time... let me see |
| 04:14.05 | Wyzard | corran: That's actually only half true... I believe you can have additional classes as long as they're not public, or something like that |
| 04:14.16 | corran | Wyzard: the point remains |
| 04:14.27 | corran | Wyzard: (you are correct as I recall) |
| 04:14.30 | Wyzard | corran: yeah, I do understand your point... but it doesn't really bother me that much |
| 04:14.36 | stoned | oh man I'm sleepy |
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| 04:14.48 | stoned | that broiled chicken is kicking my ass |
| 04:14.54 | abrotman | go to sleep ? |
| 04:14.58 | stoned | thinking about it |
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| 04:15.06 | abrotman | stoned: all packed and ready to go ? |
| 04:15.11 | stoned | almost |
| 04:15.18 | stoned | now I'm snowed in again |
| 04:15.19 | stoned | heh |
| 04:15.21 | abrotman | i guess not all packed .. you're still online :) |
| 04:15.30 | corran | Wyzard: the other side is why would I use it? Mono works with C#, and python runs everywhere (and can kick the jvm up and down the street) |
| 04:15.34 | stoned | oh not, these are my last articles to be packed |
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| 04:15.40 | stoned | computers |
| 04:15.48 | abrotman | hopefully it's your toothbrush ... |
| 04:15.52 | corran | Wyzard: as a language. |
| 04:16.00 | stoned | whats a toothbrush? |
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| 04:16.47 | Wyzard | corran: Mono has a lot of potential, it's not as mature yet -- it still uses the conservative Boehm GC, I believe, which is less efficient than the GC in Sun's JRE |
| 04:16.58 | pinx | stoned: the thing you comb your hair with |
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| 04:17.28 | Wyzard | corran: Python is a nice language but for a really large project I'd prefer a statically-typed language |
| 04:17.32 | byronn | finally, able to access my webserver in my wlan from outside, using port redirect fr no-ip. anyone care to try wlaoye.no-ip.biz? |
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| 04:17.41 | corran | Wyzard: then I would move to ruby |
| 04:17.57 | strav | pinx: about that bracket, if you refer to the parenthesis in the zone file (after the SOA), why shouldn't I close it right after the 60? |
| 04:18.10 | Wyzard | corran: I looked at Ruby a bit and disliked it for the same reason I dislike Perl: too much spurious punctuation :-) |
| 04:18.13 | willis_ | Does anyone know how to regerorate my sources.list? |
| 04:18.23 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 04:18.24 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 04:18.38 | Wyzard | corran: (Ruby's most popular application is Rails, but I'd rather use Python with TurboGears or Pylons...) |
| 04:18.40 | graytron | stoned: you use it to clean your bicycles gearwheel teeth.. therefore TOOTHbrush |
| 04:18.41 | stoned | willis_: /\ |
| 04:18.42 | pinx | strav: should be after ; Default TTL |
| 04:18.46 | willis_ | Yes Stoned |
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| 04:19.06 | stoned | willis_: there isn't a way to generate sources.list really its not ubuntu you know |
| 04:19.10 | byronn | willis_, what does regerorate mean? |
| 04:19.14 | abrotman | willis_: if you're on sarge .. use apt-setup |
| 04:19.25 | stoned | willis_: use apt-spy if you want to find the closest mirror or like the factoid says.. do stuff |
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| 04:19.41 | strav | pinx: ain't ;Default TTL a comment? |
| 04:19.52 | abrotman | it's outside your closing bracket |
| 04:20.00 | pinx | strav: no |
| 04:20.08 | strav | ok |
| 04:20.21 | corran | Wyzard: on the other hand, I no longer code much |
| 04:20.21 | strav | then that would explain some things yes. |
| 04:20.24 | willis_ | haha someone from the ubunto forms told me to come here and ask that |
| 04:20.32 | pinx | abrotman: I told him that! |
| 04:20.39 | willis_ | i'm having lots of dependency problems and they said my sources.list was messed up |
| 04:20.46 | stoned | willis_: you're on ubuntu? |
| 04:20.47 | byronn | going to work on vpn. which package would you guys recommend? |
| 04:20.47 | abrotman | pinx: you need more authoratai! |
| 04:20.58 | Wyzard | corran: I mostly develop in C++... but I think Java has its place in the world just as much as Python and C# do |
| 04:21.00 | stoned | willis_: #ubuntu |
| 04:21.07 | pinx | abrotman: :p |
| 04:21.25 | willis_ | no i have debian |
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| 04:21.34 | corran | Wyzard: yes, to be the language that everyone hates |
| 04:21.36 | stoned | Wyzard: I code C# |
| 04:21.36 | corran | :P |
| 04:21.43 | stoned | .NET etc. |
| 04:21.54 | stoned | ugh |
| 04:21.57 | stoned | mono is nice |
| 04:22.14 | stoned | but I love Vistual Studio no matter what anyone says |
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| 04:22.17 | abrotman | willis_: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say |
| 04:22.41 | byronn | which package for vpn? must be able to run with linksys wrt54g router. |
| 04:22.58 | willis_ | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 04:22.59 | corran | ok, how do I change my shadow file to use md5 passwords (if that is not the default) |
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| 04:23.13 | strav | pinx: no actually, I'll kinda mind about losing my time. I really don't see why I should care about including a comment inside my parenthesis (since as I've read, every comment in a zone file begins with a ;) |
| 04:23.14 | Wyzard | stoned: VS.NET is nice but Eclipse is nicer :-) |
| 04:23.15 | corran | or better yet, sha256/sha512 |
| 04:23.24 | Bogus8 | anyone use an online backup service? |
| 04:23.25 | stoned | Wyzard: hehe, personal perf. > & |
| 04:23.30 | stoned | Wyzard: hehe, personal perf. > * |
| 04:23.31 | stoned | * goddamit |
| 04:23.34 | stoned | *!! |
| 04:23.34 | Bogus8 | if so which one and what was your experience with them? |
| 04:23.39 | Wyzard | corran: MD5 isn't (yet) a risk for password hashes |
| 04:23.42 | enouf | !!! |
| 04:23.42 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
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| 04:23.45 | willis_ | i cannot install XGL because of so many depency problems |
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| 04:23.54 | pinx | strav: your choice |
| 04:24.01 | corran | Wyzard: yes, but if I am converting, I would rather move to a better algorithm |
| 04:24.06 | stoned | willis_: are you using debian sarge/etch/sid or not? |
| 04:24.11 | corran | Wyzard: as I don't really trust md5 |
| 04:24.11 | Wyzard | corran: afaik, md5 is the only option |
| 04:24.24 | corran | Wyzard: crypt was an option |
| 04:24.25 | willis_ | stoned, how do i know? |
| 04:24.27 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian |
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| 04:24.29 | stoned | willis_: debian does not contain Xgl packages |
| 04:24.42 | corran | and as I managed to not create a shadow file I am a bit worried. |
| 04:24.48 | Wyzard | corran: I mean sha256/sha512 aren't |
| 04:24.56 | corran | I know |
| 04:25.00 | willis_ | stoned, first off how do i figure which debian i'm using? |
| 04:25.00 | Wyzard | corran: Anyway, open /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 04:25.01 | stoned | willis_: you don't know which operating system you use |
| 04:25.06 | stoned | willis_: debian or ubuntu? |
| 04:25.12 | Wyzard | corran: Find the line that says "password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8" |
| 04:25.13 | willis_ | stoned, debian |
| 04:25.16 | stoned | ok |
| 04:25.17 | Wyzard | corran: Add "md5" on the end |
| 04:25.19 | Miesco | How would I view a .jar file? |
| 04:25.20 | stoned | just making sure |
| 04:25.21 | willis_ | stoned, but which version i dont know, latest |
| 04:25.24 | strav | it is. I'll probably change though when I'll get annoyed enough with that configuration to the point of acting at random. |
| 04:25.30 | stoned | willis_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:25.36 | Guerin | Miesco: using less |
| 04:25.39 | strav | (which is close from now) |
| 04:25.40 | Miesco | k |
| 04:25.41 | stoned | willis_: or use apt-cache policy on something |
| 04:25.44 | cliff | I lost power at the colo and now when my box comes back up its saying "enter runlevel:" If i enter 5 it come up fine, no fsck, no problems, and it runs fine. but now when ever I reboot it needs manual intervention. any ideas? my inittab looks fine. |
| 04:25.46 | enouf | !version |
| 04:25.47 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 04:25.49 | corran | Wyzard: ok, thanks |
| 04:25.54 | abrotman | he's using sarge |
| 04:25.55 | willis_ | 3.1 |
| 04:25.58 | stoned | cat a 500 |
| 04:26.18 | stoned | er.. grep |
| 04:26.18 | enouf | wtf? |
| 04:26.18 | stoned | oh ok then |
| 04:26.18 | corran | Wyzard: This install was a "fun" one. |
| 04:26.18 | abrotman | drugs are bad! |
| 04:26.18 | Wyzard | corran: There's work underway to create a new standard hash function, but it'll be a few years... in the meantime, MD5 should probably be fine for password hashes |
| 04:26.19 | willis_ | stoned, which do i have? |
| 04:26.19 | Miesco | Guerin: grr |
| 04:26.19 | corran | Wyzard: I know |
| 04:26.21 | Guerin | Miesco: :) |
| 04:26.32 | Guerin | Miesco: hint: it's not a file you can `view' |
| 04:26.41 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:26.45 | Miesco | Guerin: Well how do I see the archive? |
| 04:26.48 | stoned | willis_: how should I nkow |
| 04:26.53 | Guerin | Miesco: ls *.jar |
| 04:26.59 | stoned | willis_: care to read what dpkg has to say |
| 04:27.03 | amphi | Miesco: jar files are just zip archives IIRC |
| 04:27.13 | stoned | willis_: /msg dpkg version |
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| 04:27.55 | stoned | I hate snow |
| 04:28.07 | mfrisch | its better than ice |
| 04:28.23 | stoned | true |
| 04:28.25 | willis_ | stoned, debain does not come with xgl does that mean it cannot go on debian? |
| 04:28.26 | Miesco | amphi: How do I view a zip archive? |
| 04:28.33 | Guerin | Miesco: ls *.zip |
| 04:28.38 | Miesco | amphi: Like tar -tf |
| 04:28.41 | cliff | willis_: you can install xgl on debian |
| 04:28.47 | stoned | willis_: it means you must use a 3rd party package compiiled by someone else. unofficial debian Xgl package |
| 04:28.55 | stoned | willis_: google around you'll find it |
| 04:28.56 | Wyzard | willis_: It can be installed manually if you know what you're doing, but it's not packaged |
| 04:28.58 | mfrisch | stoned: least I could ski on snow ;-) |
| 04:29.07 | Wyzard | willis_: You don't really need it unless your video card is ATI |
| 04:29.10 | strav | pinx: thanks to you, the error changed! (and I'll consider that a step forward) |
| 04:29.13 | stoned | willis_: or you can compiled it from so urce |
| 04:29.30 | willis_ | i want the cube |
| 04:29.31 | amphi | Miesco: man zip |
| 04:29.33 | pinx | strav: np |
| 04:29.36 | stoned | Wyzard: unfortunatley mine is |
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| 04:29.45 | stoned | I'd like to hook up my nvidia and check out this aiglx thing |
| 04:29.54 | Wyzard | willis_: What kind of video card do you use? |
| 04:29.54 | stoned | too lazy though |
| 04:29.56 | corran | Wyzard: on the other hand, I may move to kerberos for most of my auth stuff soon. |
| 04:30.05 | willis_ | Nvidia 6800 |
| 04:30.36 | Wyzard | willis_: then you don't need XGL... you can use AIGLX, which is better and is already part of the xorg packages in sid and (I think) etch |
| 04:31.00 | stoned | willis_: I bought my first ATI card |
| 04:31.01 | willis_ | how do i know if i have sid etch etc |
| 04:31.02 | Wyzard | willis_: You just need to install the 9746 version of the nVidia driver, which is in experimental |
| 04:31.03 | stoned | regretting it |
| 04:31.10 | amphi | yeah, aiglx is in etch |
| 04:31.16 | stoned | don't ever buy ATI until they make good drivers |
| 04:31.27 | stoned | card I have is great, just that it sucks under linux |
| 04:31.29 | Wyzard | willis_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 04:31.55 | willis_ | Wyzard, it says 3.1 |
| 04:31.56 | willis_ | what does that mean |
| 04:32.04 | stoned | it means stable |
| 04:32.06 | Wyzard | You're running sarge, the latest stable release |
| 04:32.26 | stoned | Drazyw |
| 04:32.26 | enouf | !3.1r4 |
| 04:32.27 | dpkg | [3.1r4] the latest update of Debian 3.1, released on 2006-11-06. http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20061106 |
| 04:32.29 | Wyzard | You need to upgrade to etch, currently "testing" and getting ready to be released |
| 04:32.38 | willis_ | and how do i do that |
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| 04:32.55 | enouf | !sarge->etch |
| 04:32.55 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 04:32.57 | stoned | !sarge->etch |
| 04:33.02 | stoned | i lose |
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| 04:33.04 | enouf | :-p |
| 04:33.11 | mike1980 | !search cd |
| 04:33.13 | mike1980 | !search |
| 04:33.14 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 04:33.22 | stoned | !tell mike about search |
| 04:33.27 | stoned | er.. |
| 04:33.29 | stoned | fuckin shit |
| 04:33.33 | enouf | haha |
| 04:33.35 | stoned | bah, fu ck it |
| 04:33.40 | enouf | selftell stoned |
| 04:33.57 | mike1980 | hey guys what is the url to search whats on each cd please? |
| 04:34.05 | stoned | packages.debian.org |
| 04:34.05 | enouf | stoned: s l e e p y t i m e :-) |
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| 04:34.14 | mike1980 | cool thnaks |
| 04:34.16 | stoned | maybe |
| 04:34.16 | Guerin | mike1980: cd contents |
| 04:34.18 | mike1980 | cool thanks |
| 04:34.25 | Guerin | p.d.o doesn't tell you |
| 04:34.27 | mike1980 | Guerin: yes |
| 04:34.28 | stoned | I dunno, I don't fuck around with cds |
| 04:34.40 | Guerin | mike1980: /msg dpkg |
| 04:34.53 | Guerin | stoned: they're too small one way and too large the other, usually |
| 04:34.57 | enouf | do /msg dpkg cd contents |
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| 04:35.00 | stoned | Guerin: exactly |
| 04:35.01 | Guerin | stoned: so it's generally not advisable |
| 04:35.10 | mike1980 | thanks guys |
| 04:35.10 | stoned | its like either you get big tits, or a big ass |
| 04:35.12 | enouf | mike1980: do /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 04:35.13 | stoned | its never both at the same time |
| 04:35.15 | stoned | when it comes to cds |
| 04:35.18 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:35.23 | stoned | ya know what I'm saying ehehe |
| 04:35.40 | Wyzard | willis_: I'm going to bed now, but before I go, here are the overall things you want to do: |
| 04:35.45 | Wyzard | willis_: 1) upgrade to etch |
| 04:35.48 | willis_ | what is difference between aptitude and apt |
| 04:35.54 | willis_ | Wyzard, Listining |
| 04:36.01 | Guerin | willis_: /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 04:36.01 | stoned | reading technically |
| 04:36.04 | Wyzard | willis_: 2) install the nvidia driver from experimental (it's version 9746, the one that supports AIGLX) |
| 04:36.15 | Wyzard | willis_: 3) install compiz (that's the window manager that does the cube thing) |
| 04:36.25 | stoned | Wyzard: why not beryl |
| 04:36.31 | stoned | its nicer |
| 04:36.34 | Wyzard | Beryl isn't packaged; Compiz is |
| 04:36.41 | stoned | oh I see |
| 04:36.58 | pinx | strav: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5387 -- and don't forget to end it with a newline |
| 04:37.00 | stoned | beryl provides info on working stable beryl packages |
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| 04:37.03 | stoned | fairly stable |
| 04:37.05 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 04:37.10 | stoned | visit beryl wiki |
| 04:37.18 | Wyzard | willis_: Compiz (and Beryl) work with either AIGLX or XGL, but XGL isn't packaged and AIGLX is better anyway, so that's what you're going to use |
| 04:37.29 | willis_ | kk i hear you |
| 04:37.44 | Wyzard | willis_: ATI's drivers don't (yet) support AIGLX so that's about the only reason to use XGL these days, and it doesn't apply to you :-) |
| 04:38.00 | RAOF | stoned: Where "fairly stable" is "Occasionally, just totally breaks everything if you use XGL" :P |
| 04:38.15 | willis_ | thank you Wyzard |
| 04:38.48 | stoned | RAOF: i have no choice |
| 04:38.51 | Wyzard | You're welcome, and good luck with it |
| 04:38.59 | Miesco | mindterm does not work if its unframed |
| 04:39.02 | stoned | RAOF: I have neither composite nor aiglx |
| 04:39.09 | Guerin | stoned: you have plenty of choice: don't bother with worthless chrome is the one I'd take |
| 04:39.11 | stoned | I'm stuck with Xgl and I like beryl more |
| 04:39.21 | enouf | !pillow Wyzard |
| 04:39.28 | mynullvoid | I had installed php4-mysql and php4-pear but when I pear install MDB2_Driver_mysql it complaint pear/MDB2_Driver_mysql requires PHP extension "mysql" I had uncomment mysql.so in the php.ini, how do I fix this? |
| 04:39.40 | RAOF | Guerin: Compiz isn't worthless chrome. |
| 04:39.41 | stoned | Guerin: I don't use it normally |
| 04:39.56 | stoned | Guerin: that fancy shmancy shit gets in the way of proper desktop usage |
| 04:40.00 | Guerin | RAOF: i certainly have seen nothing to convince me otherwise. |
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| 04:40.16 | stoned | I still with regular ol kde |
| 04:40.27 | Guerin | RAOF: trading transparency for stability never wins many points in my book |
| 04:40.30 | RAOF | Guerin: Scale :P |
| 04:40.34 | Guerin | pfft |
| 04:40.38 | stoned | Guerin: so true |
| 04:41.00 | mike1980 | hey guys dose http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php take along time to use the serach? |
| 04:41.09 | Guerin | mike1980: you tell us |
| 04:41.28 | mike1980 | well it's still settin after 2 min |
| 04:41.40 | Miesco | I need like an embedded ssh terminal |
| 04:41.45 | mike1980 | is that normal |
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| 04:43.05 | Miesco | Should I use telnetd? |
| 04:43.10 | mike1980 | it say "Searching for [ndiswrapper]..." dose that mean it is really looking or has it craped out |
| 04:43.12 | Guerin | mike1980: WTF |
| 04:43.16 | Guerin | mike1980: WTF |
| 04:43.21 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:43.30 | Guerin | Miesco: WTF |
| 04:43.32 | Guerin | better |
| 04:43.41 | Guerin | Miesco: there is no reason to use telnetd in 2007 |
| 04:43.44 | Guerin | NONE |
| 04:43.49 | Miesco | Guerin: yea 1 reason |
| 04:43.52 | Guerin | no |
| 04:43.54 | Guerin | none |
| 04:43.57 | Guerin | no reason |
| 04:44.00 | Miesco | ONE |
| 04:44.12 | enouf | mike1980: unless you need a prod/workstation .. install Etch (use Cd1 or DVD1, oer even netinstall with high-speed conn), and let "apt-get install <pkgname> <pkgname2>" (or aptitude) get whatever else you want/need |
| 04:44.18 | Miesco | windows computers dont have a ssh client preinstalled :/ |
| 04:44.25 | Guerin | Miesco: that's no fucking reason |
| 04:44.32 | Guerin | Miesco: downlaod putty, for fuck's sakes |
| 04:44.54 | Miesco | I know |
| 04:44.55 | Guerin | so, I say again: no reason. Don't use it. |
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| 04:45.19 | mike1980 | enouf: I need base and ndiswrapper and all I need to make ndiswrapper work |
| 04:45.27 | Miesco | Okay fine, but I need a java ssh client that can be embedded into the browser so it looks like part of a webpage |
| 04:45.37 | Guerin | Miesco: you lose. |
| 04:45.43 | Miesco | I made one before |
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| 04:45.50 | Guerin | Miesco: you lose again. |
| 04:45.51 | enouf | mike1980: build depends |
| 04:45.59 | Miesco | Guerin: why? |
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| 04:46.24 | mike1980 | enouf: just something for a i386 machine stable release |
| 04:46.42 | Guerin | Miesco: use putty. If you're trying to work around your employer's network restrictions, you already lost. |
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| 04:46.54 | Miesco | Guerin: Why did I lose? |
| 04:46.56 | enouf | mike1980: p.d.o. will show you |
| 04:46.58 | mike1980 | I only have one blank cd lol |
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| 04:47.21 | mike1980 | or multi season I should say |
| 04:47.32 | Miesco | Guerin: Well its a high school actually |
| 04:47.36 | Guerin | haha |
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| 04:48.27 | Miesco | I dont really need it really anyways |
| 04:48.35 | hark | haha |
| 04:48.43 | Miesco | I'll just look like a geek |
| 04:48.50 | stoned | what do you mean look? |
| 04:48.52 | stoned | :) |
| 04:49.00 | mike1980 | wait I can do a hard drive install with debian right? |
| 04:49.05 | stoned | mike1980: yes |
| 04:49.08 | Miesco | stoned: What do YOU mean? |
| 04:49.10 | stoned | mike1980: /msg dpkg install guide |
| 04:49.23 | stoned | mike1980: consult chapter 3 |
| 04:49.30 | mike1980 | stoned: thanks |
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| 04:50.14 | stoned | Miesco: just kidding buddy |
| 04:50.18 | enouf | !botspank the prinicpal |
| 04:50.26 | Miesco | k |
| 04:50.45 | enouf | er perverted principal/dean of the HS |
| 04:50.45 | stoned | I figure the smiley was a dead giveaway |
| 04:50.46 | stoned | no? |
| 04:50.57 | stoned | Adam Sandlers first two cds |
| 04:51.09 | stoned | 2nd one, they're all gonna laugh at you, the 1st track, the principal |
| 04:51.19 | stoned | insanely hilarious, get it and listen if you get a chance |
| 04:51.37 | willis_ | hey stoned why is beryl better |
| 04:51.43 | strav | pinx: dns is now working. Thanks for your help! |
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| 04:52.04 | stoned | willis_: because it just is. It is kinda like apple jacks, only its software, not cereal. |
| 04:52.23 | willis_ | haha |
| 04:52.29 | willis_ | ur eating apple jacks right now arnt you |
| 04:52.33 | stoned | hehe yeah |
| 04:52.36 | stoned | :D |
| 04:52.43 | willis_ | i wish i was u |
| 04:52.44 | enouf | !munchies |
| 04:52.45 | dpkg | munchies are what happens when you toke too much ganja... |
| 04:52.46 | stoned | haha |
| 04:52.48 | willis_ | anyway i cannot use apt to get them can i? |
| 04:52.49 | stoned | no you don't |
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| 04:54.18 | stoned | willis_: google for "beryl debian wiki" |
| 04:54.47 | stoned | willis_: the beryl wiki contains instructions and links to packages of beryl/Xgl that will work on debian without dependency issues |
| 04:55.01 | stoned | willis_: also visit #beryl |
| 04:55.01 | willis_ | nice |
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| 04:55.15 | willis_ | thats alos on freenode? |
| 04:55.18 | stoned | yes |
| 04:55.27 | willis_ | and what is emerald |
| 04:55.32 | stoned | if you got a free opensource project, more than likely its on freenode |
| 04:55.43 | grendal_prime | hey when i run aptitude on my box at work(a test server that is..) the boxs and borders of the aplication apear as ascii characters. but here they look more like...lines and all pretty and stuff. I think im going to do a presentation at some point tomorro on aptitude, and partimage and i would like it to look as polised as possible. is it a font or something im missing? |
| 04:55.46 | stoned | emerald is the window manager used by beryl for gtk apps |
| 04:55.56 | stoned | for KDE you should use aquamarine |
| 04:56.05 | willis_ | what is a window manager |
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| 04:56.24 | stoned | willis_: it is a single hair off my balls. |
| 04:56.30 | hark | !googlesmite willis_ |
| 04:56.44 | willis_ | hahaa |
| 04:56.46 | willis_ | to much time hark has |
| 04:57.21 | stoned | willis_: /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
| 04:57.34 | stoned | willis_: read the wiki page and learn how to use the factoid bot/database |
| 04:57.51 | black_13 | can xfonts-100dpi be removed without removing xorg? |
| 04:57.56 | willis_ | think ill learn linux first |
| 04:58.25 | amphi | where can old distro package archives be found? |
| 04:58.26 | hark | hah, yoda speak |
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| 04:58.51 | willis_ | needed somthing you could understand hark |
| 04:58.51 | willis_ | haha |
| 04:59.10 | enouf | !sdo |
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| 04:59.13 | hark | !archives |
| 04:59.13 | dpkg | from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 04:59.29 | enouf | amphi: ^^ maybe? |
| 04:59.32 | hark | When 900 years you reach, look as good, you will not. |
| 04:59.42 | willis_ | i'm guessing this whole upgrading my disto will take a while |
| 04:59.52 | enouf | or archive.debian.net ? amphi ? |
| 05:00.00 | grendal_prime | willis_: depends on what you have installed now |
| 05:00.02 | amphi | enouf: hark: thanks |
| 05:00.11 | grendal_prime | i did a router the other day and it took like 15 min. |
| 05:00.24 | enouf | heh .. it was !sdn I wanted .. |
| 05:00.41 | hark | heh |
| 05:00.44 | stoned | heh |
| 05:00.54 | grendal_prime | sooo anyone on the ascii text border problem im having? |
| 05:00.55 | willis_ | i need to get AIGLX package than get Beryl |
| 05:01.08 | hark | no, it's already in etch |
| 05:01.16 | stoned | willis_: you need to use google and learn how stuff works |
| 05:01.24 | enouf | grendal_prime: I've had that on Sarge .. made me stop using aptitude :-) .. |
| 05:01.25 | hark | Beryl, yes you'll have to |
| 05:01.27 | willis_ | i've been googleing strait for 2 days |
| 05:01.36 | willis_ | 20 mins in here i fixed my problem |
| 05:01.37 | stoned | willis_: don't blindly just copy/paste commands or do stuff without understanding at least the jist of what is going on |
| 05:01.38 | willis_ | :) |
| 05:01.46 | stoned | ok |
| 05:01.47 | stoned | grea |
| 05:01.54 | grendal_prime | you stoped using aptituded cause it wasnt pretty? |
| 05:02.05 | grendal_prime | its all console apps though enouf |
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| 05:02.08 | stoned | aptitude requires special care |
| 05:02.14 | willis_ | alot more information for windows products than debian |
| 05:02.24 | enouf | willis_: /msg dpkg reference , /msg dpkg apt howto , /msg dpkg search .. now Go youngun and READ! |
| 05:02.25 | stoned | or else its a dependency hell rather than a blessing |
| 05:02.48 | enouf | grendal_prime: yep .. curses/ncurses |
| 05:02.51 | stoned | !grounding |
| 05:02.51 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 05:02.59 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 05:02.59 | dpkg | i heard dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 05:03.03 | grendal_prime | hu? never had a problem with it...(well accept on some machines its just not pretty |
| 05:03.13 | stoned | that should take care of you for a good few months to come |
| 05:03.16 | enouf | willis_: ^^^^ |
| 05:03.18 | stoned | come back with some questions |
| 05:03.23 | stoned | in a few weeks |
| 05:03.24 | stoned | :) |
| 05:03.36 | willis_ | whats the point of an irc help when they send you to google? |
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| 05:03.48 | hark | !lazy |
| 05:03.48 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 05:03.49 | enouf | !penixsmite willis_ |
| 05:03.54 | stoned | willis_: we can't read for you |
| 05:03.57 | grendal_prime | willis welcome to the world of linux man |
| 05:03.59 | enouf | !penixsmite willis_ |
| 05:04.01 | stoned | willis_: we can tell you where to find the information |
| 05:04.13 | enouf | !shoot willis_ |
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| 05:04.26 | willis_ | haha sound like a bunch of elitists |
| 05:04.35 | enouf | someone deleted penix :-( |
| 05:04.37 | stoned | willis_: unless you have a specific problem that deals with debian packages |
| 05:04.51 | enouf | !fish |
| 05:04.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered? |
| 05:04.53 | grendal_prime | its all documented its better you learn where to get info..you know that whole feed a man a fish and...well you know...basically we are just as lazy as you. |
| 05:05.04 | stoned | willis_: there what, like over 100 debian based distros if not more |
| 05:05.23 | stoned | willis_: its more than elite |
| 05:05.29 | stoned | elite distro for elite people |
| 05:05.33 | stoned | not l33t i think |
| 05:05.39 | stoned | nah not really |
| 05:05.44 | stoned | im just joshin ya |
| 05:05.54 | grendal_prime | heheeh there is a factoid about the fish deal...thats funny shit man |
| 05:05.57 | hark | willis_: actually, iirc you've been told everything already. |
| 05:06.17 | willis_ | i know i havent asked any questions for a while |
| 05:06.28 | willis_ | its been like 3 pages of you telling me to go find stuff and ur to busy |
| 05:06.29 | willis_ | hahaha |
| 05:06.32 | willis_ | but u keep telling me |
| 05:06.37 | enouf | grendal_prime: you'll likely neeed some fonts .. but also maybe reconfigure your locales to non-utf-8 .. /msg dpkg locales |
| 05:06.38 | hark | !u |
| 05:06.39 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 05:06.52 | grendal_prime | willis, probably the best advice is..using /mesg dpkg just open that up and fire questions at it..its quite fun really. |
| 05:06.55 | stoned | we didn't say we are too busy |
| 05:07.02 | stoned | we said we can't do your reading for you |
| 05:07.11 | stoned | no one is gonna spoonfeed you commands dude |
| 05:07.27 | willis_ | just /msg dpkg? |
| 05:07.28 | stoned | if you need that kinda baby support and diaper changing then go to ubuntu |
| 05:07.30 | willis_ | thats how i do it |
| 05:07.38 | stoned | or some such shit |
| 05:08.07 | willis_ | stoned ur spoon feeding me a lot of bs right now |
| 05:08.07 | willis_ | stop |
| 05:08.16 | concept10 | what is the best way to browse mailing lists archives |
| 05:08.18 | stoned | ad hominum. |
| 05:08.19 | enouf | !ne1 |
| 05:08.19 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
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| 05:08.27 | stoned | yeay, I get it. |
| 05:08.47 | hark | concept10: google groups is one way.. |
| 05:09.02 | stoned | concept10: whats up |
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| 05:09.26 | Actium | anyone know if the radeon driver supports an ATI mobility radeon? |
| 05:09.28 | enouf | grendal_prime: man fc-cache .. and other related font things .. like defoma and crud .. I hate font configuring |
| 05:09.32 | concept10 | hark, i might need to start using them again, the web mailmain interface is getting old abd cumbersome |
| 05:09.33 | hark | Actium: yes |
| 05:09.44 | Actium | Oh, awesome. thanks |
| 05:09.47 | hark | Actium: which one? |
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| 05:09.50 | stoned | I wanna try out reiser4 |
| 05:09.54 | concept10 | stoned, nothing much, just been doing some hacking. actually had some success today |
| 05:10.02 | stoned | concept10: cool |
| 05:10.06 | grendal_prime | night guys thanks. im tired, hung over, and i bought the wife new hotty undies...so im off to bed. |
| 05:10.09 | enouf | stoned: try ext4 instead ;-) |
| 05:10.11 | stoned | I hacked open a case of beer today |
| 05:10.16 | stoned | enouf: no shit! |
| 05:10.19 | stoned | ext4 |
| 05:10.22 | stoned | !ext4 |
| 05:10.22 | dpkg | we have to wait until ext3 is out, you know :) |
| 05:10.26 | stoned | huh |
| 05:10.33 | hark | !factinfo ext4 |
| 05:10.33 | dpkg | ext4 -- created by xk <Tdho2k@reggae-23-42.nv.iinet.net.au> at Wed Apr 19 23:28:51 2000 (2492 days); it has been requested 12 times, last by stoned, 11s ago. |
| 05:10.34 | enouf | wow |
| 05:10.45 | hark | heh |
| 05:10.50 | stoned | holy mother of god |
| 05:10.52 | enouf | what a dip .. en.wikipedia.org ahs info |
| 05:10.53 | concept10 | this is a good time to learn GTK+ since the openmoko phone will be released soon |
| 05:11.05 | enouf | regaae .. hehe |
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| 05:11.12 | stoned | two gg |
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| 05:11.23 | enouf | tyyyyyyyyyyyooooo ooo |
| 05:11.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:11.53 | stoned | Nineug |
| 05:11.58 | stoned | gah |
| 05:11.58 | stoned | r |
| 05:12.09 | stoned | so hey Guerin hows it goin there |
| 05:12.15 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 05:12.44 | stoned | so where is ext4 man |
| 05:12.58 | Guerin | yeh, i'm a-studyin' |
| 05:12.58 | antiNeo | i'm having a problem with dependancies... it seems that libfontconfig1 and libxft2 depend on each other, but I can't install them at the same time |
| 05:13.04 | Guerin | ext4 exists |
| 05:13.16 | Guerin | iirc it was included in the 2.6.19 stock kernel a couple months ago |
| 05:13.18 | antiNeo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 |
| 05:13.28 | antiNeo | It was included in version 2.6.19 of the Linux kernel which was released on November 29, 2006. |
| 05:13.30 | stoned | where are the docs |
| 05:13.36 | stoned | I want to see what they did with the journal |
| 05:13.37 | Guerin | !win me |
| 05:13.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, guerin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 05:13.56 | enouf | doh .. latez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4 |
| 05:13.56 | stoned | I wonder if inode still holds file info that are deleted |
| 05:13.57 | antiNeo | dpkg: you're mean... stop giving me errors you meanie :-( |
| 05:15.16 | stoned | that would a nice feature |
| 05:15.19 | stoned | be |
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| 05:16.05 | antiNeo | can someone just point me to the doc that talks about packages that depend on each other? |
| 05:16.13 | Guerin | Creationists defeated in Kansas school vote on science teaching # sanity prevails! |
| 05:16.31 | Guerin | antiNeo: huh? |
| 05:16.59 | enouf | man apt-rdepends ... /msg dpkg reference |
| 05:17.05 | enouf | antiNeo: ^^ |
| 05:17.09 | antiNeo | alright |
| 05:18.04 | antiNeo | i guess i need to install apt-rdepends then... |
| 05:18.16 | antiNeo | hopfully it doesn't have any recursive deps X-D |
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| 05:18.48 | stoned | hmm |
| 05:18.51 | stoned | interesting changes |
| 05:19.15 | antiNeo | LOL... i spoke too soon |
| 05:19.27 | antiNeo | installing apt-rdepends gives me the same error |
| 05:19.55 | enouf | !wayttd |
| 05:19.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 05:20.30 | antiNeo | i'm trying to install ion3... but it seems that I get the error no matter what i'm installing |
| 05:20.48 | enouf | !break antiNeo |
| 05:21.08 | antiNeo | it says something allong the lines of "libxft2 depends on libfontconfig1, however: package libfontconfig1 is not configured yet." |
| 05:21.44 | antiNeo | I can't copy and paste it though because I don't have X on it yet... |
| 05:21.57 | enouf | apt-get install --reinstall libfontconfig1 antiNeo |
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| 05:24.21 | mrStabby | Debian and PHP5? |
| 05:24.35 | madd_matt | I'd just like to express my random love for debian. |
| 05:24.42 | antiNeo | enouf: same error |
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| 05:24.57 | madd_matt | More specifically, binary packages (I was a gentoo user). Installing things doesn't have to take hours. |
| 05:25.25 | mrStabby | but instead you get old software :o |
| 05:25.34 | antiNeo | i'd like to say that i've had far more problems with debian's package manager, mostly reguarding dependancies. and i've been using it on and off for quite a while |
| 05:25.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.44 | hark | mrStabby: if on sarge, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 05:25.53 | mrStabby | im not sure what im using |
| 05:26.00 | mrStabby | its so long ago when i installed it |
| 05:26.10 | hark | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:26.17 | antiNeo | seriously... i was just trying to install xterm and ion, some really small simple packages on a clean system, and what do i get? |
| 05:26.17 | mrStabby | 3.1 |
| 05:26.18 | hark | it must be stable |
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| 05:26.20 | enouf | antiNeo: dpkg -l <pkgname> will give status |
| 05:26.22 | hark | yeah |
| 05:26.35 | mrStabby | yea old software |
| 05:26.45 | mrStabby | can i have the PHP5 ? |
| 05:26.57 | enouf | !info ion3 testing |
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| 05:27.01 | dpkg | ion3: (keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows (devel)), section x11, is extra. Version: 20061223-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1501 kB, Installed size: 3900 kB |
| 05:27.04 | hark | mrStabby: msg the bot as i said above |
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| 05:27.20 | mrStabby | /msg dpkg bpo |
| 05:27.41 | hark | !tell mrStabby about bpo |
| 05:27.55 | enouf | mrStabby: no SPACES prior to 1st / |
| 05:28.11 | mrStabby | lol i remember when i made a complete upgrade from backports :D |
| 05:28.14 | antiNeo | don't get me wrong, though. i like debian a lot more than most distros. but gentoo is still my baby :-) |
| 05:28.20 | mrStabby | it messed everything up so badly :p |
| 05:28.42 | phorce1 | So, anybody know what changed in the etch terminfo that makes ncurses programs not play nice over ssh with sarge machines or Win machines using Putty? Line drawing characters are all hosed up. |
| 05:28.50 | antiNeo | enouf: i get the same error using --purge |
| 05:28.59 | mrStabby | hark so if i only install the PHP from there how will it effect things? |
| 05:29.09 | mrStabby | will it be dangerous? |
| 05:29.22 | hark | mrStabby: a lot of people have used it. should work ok |
| 05:29.25 | antiNeo | wait, it changed a little... i'll run purge again |
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| 05:29.41 | enouf | antiNeo: dpkg -P pkgname .. got a feeling you're using gnubooboo |
| 05:30.17 | enouf | antiNeo: you can NOT get the same error as an Installation error .. |
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| 05:31.02 | antiNeo | what the heck is gnubooboo? |
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| 05:32.25 | antiNeo | enouf: a search for gnubooboo on google has 3 hits... all of them are irc logs with you in them ;-P |
| 05:33.21 | hark | haha |
| 05:33.48 | antiNeo | I think my laptop has stalled :-( |
| 05:34.07 | antiNeo | thanks alot apt-get --purge |
| 05:34.23 | antiNeo | it's a jornada 720, so it's not like i'm terribly supprised ;-P |
| 05:34.46 | antiNeo | yeah, ran out of memmory and the perl script died :-/ |
| 05:34.52 | antiNeo | i hope that doesn't come back to haunt me |
| 05:35.03 | antiNeo | shit, it's trying again |
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| 05:35.42 | antiNeo | WONDERFUL! now I _can't_ --purge it... because the perl script that does the work takes up too much memory |
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| 05:40.19 | SlackRat | two questions.....can i install etch testing rc1 safely, with kde....and will i have to reformat a partition currently running ubuntu /home or can i save /home and just clean it up ...saw the errata concerning etch rc 1.... |
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| 05:41.42 | SlackRat | using the cd install not netinstall |
| 05:42.38 | antiNeo | SlackRat: hmm? i don't really understand your question... are you asking if you can keep your current home directory on another partiton? |
| 05:42.39 | SlackRat | tell me i can...otherwise more ubuntu people will die...stop me from killing again :-P |
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| 05:43.34 | SlackRat | keep my /home partition in a new debian install and salvage most of my files that way...or will it just be a huge mess....theres GBs of text and graphic files |
| 05:43.52 | phorce1 | what, in /home, could break any clean install? |
| 05:44.13 | antiNeo | sure... provided /home is on a seprate partition, you shouldn't have any problems moving from ubuntu to debian |
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| 05:44.25 | SlackRat | old ubuntu profiles and apps will be overwriten? yes, home is its own partition |
| 05:44.42 | SlackRat | now, how is etch atm? |
| 05:44.47 | antiNeo | you might need to change some permissions... i'm not sure what ubuntu's or debian's permissions are |
| 05:44.50 | phorce1 | or is there something in the D/I that forces a reformat that I missed seeing (because I haven't recently tried to save anything on fresh installs)? |
| 05:44.59 | SlackRat | yeah, the perms i can deal with |
| 05:45.07 | antiNeo | SlackRat: you kde files will remain with you, for instance. so you won't need to re-configure kde |
| 05:45.13 | SlackRat | havent used an installer since sarge really |
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| 05:45.22 | SlackRat | ok, cool |
| 05:45.29 | antiNeo | SlackRat: that's assuming that the apps you upgrade to are the same version... |
| 05:45.51 | hark | phorce1: forces a reformat? |
| 05:45.57 | SlackRat | if there not will the install overwrite ? |
| 05:46.22 | SlackRat | dont mind losing and getting rid of or reinstalling apps |
| 05:46.39 | phorce1 | hark: he mentioned something about errata for etch rc1. I haven't looked through it lately |
| 05:46.52 | SlackRat | but the public key warning got me nervous about rc 1 in general.... |
| 05:47.01 | Guerin | rc1 is bust |
| 05:47.04 | Guerin | use the dailies |
| 05:47.06 | SlackRat | ack |
| 05:47.14 | Guerin | overall etch is great, solid as |
| 05:47.25 | antiNeo | SlackRat: kde 3.4 and 3.5 files are in different directories... .kde is just a symlink to the current version, i.e. .kde3.5 |
| 05:47.28 | SlackRat | the daily etch netinstall? |
| 05:47.31 | phorce1 | I always use dailies anyway -- yeah, what Guerin said |
| 05:47.32 | Guerin | SlackRat: yes. |
| 05:47.53 | antiNeo | SlackRat: if you don't know all this stuff yet, you might want to stick to the safe side |
| 05:48.01 | SlackRat | hmn, isnt that the notice on debian.org, that the public key issue breaks a netisntall?? |
| 05:48.09 | hark | though i noticed someone having the 5% problem with the daily as well |
| 05:48.16 | Guerin | huh, really |
| 05:48.29 | SlackRat | what, bleh, is the safe side? |
| 05:48.32 | SlackRat | im afraid to ask |
| 05:48.36 | Guerin | i think he means sarge |
| 05:48.59 | antiNeo | ehe, scrach that... sarge is old ;-) |
| 05:49.04 | SlackRat | which is still kde 3.3 i think? |
| 05:49.08 | antiNeo | yeah |
| 05:49.24 | SlackRat | then upgrade to testing.... |
| 05:49.30 | Guerin | that can work |
| 05:49.33 | SlackRat | once its up and running |
| 05:49.38 | Guerin | just upgrade before you bother to install stuff |
| 05:49.44 | SlackRat | right |
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| 05:50.09 | hark | SlackRat: hmm, use the etch daily image. For the most part there should be no problems. /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 05:53.39 | SlackRat | The expiry of the Debian archive's signing key for 2006 has broken most of the installation media from etch RC1. The only images that should remain usable are the full installation CDs and DVDs, but only when used without a network mirror. >> thats from like the 10th of February.... |
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| 05:54.59 | hark | no, the daily images will work as well. |
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| 05:56.08 | phorce1 | I think the last install I did was last week, prior to the 10th, with a fresh daily download. |
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| 05:56.40 | SlackRat | ah, ok.... |
| 05:57.24 | phorce1 | probably the 7th or 8th when I reinstalled on one of my test boxes |
| 05:57.28 | SlackRat | the netinst daily built image, CD image...? |
| 05:57.50 | hark | anyway, you can always install the base, and then get the latest key with rc1. |
| 05:58.08 | SlackRat | i recall a problem last year when kde was just wonky when i tried to install it on testing, i imagine that was just bad timing on my part.... |
| 05:58.28 | phorce1 | SlackRat: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:59.10 | SlackRat | yeah, thats what im looking at..... |
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| 06:04.33 | phorce1 | Hmph, the stock batteries were listed to run 5 minutes at full load or 15 minutes at 1/2 load. I hit the 150 minute mark and still have about that much still to go with an electric heater plugged in with the computers to drive the load up. Cool |
| 06:05.54 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.25 | SlackRat | k, thanks guys, time to sleep while downloading,....cheers |
| 06:06.28 | phorce1 | Guerin: It's no longer a "portable" backup unit though. <grin> |
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| 06:07.01 | Guerin | "And in a shocking development tonight, a system administrator got his money's worth> Authorities are investigating how this could possibly happen." |
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| 06:09.17 | phorce1 | Guerin: A local electronic surplus store had Hawker SBS C11 92 Ah deep cycle batteries selling for $50 each (street retail is about $300 each). I bought 16 of them. Pulled the 7 Ah batteries and wired up 4 of the big ones (48 volt inverter). |
| 06:10.05 | Guerin | nice |
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| 06:11.52 | phorce1 | Should run 4 computers, monitor, cable modem, router, VOIP box, and cable modem for 4 or 5 hours if power goes out when it rains. Haven't had an outage over 2 hours in my house in the last year so I should be set. |
| 06:12.33 | phorce1 | s/cable modem,/ |
| 06:13.18 | Actium | Hey guys, I have a compaq evo n600c that I just installed sarge on, X can't start because it can't find the pointer - dunno what to do here |
| 06:13.25 | Actium | it has a touchpad and a trackpoint |
| 06:13.46 | phorce1 | other batteries will be going into my VW camper for the stereo and inverter. And some for sale at $200 to pay for the ones I keep. |
| 06:13.46 | Actium | the protocol in the X config file should be ImPS/2 for that right? |
| 06:14.58 | Actium | I know it should work because I had ubuntu on it once |
| 06:15.05 | phorce1 | Actium: you may have to play with the protocol. Maybe install gpm and use its testing features to figure it out. |
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| 06:18.28 | sep | Actium, are you using /dev/input/mice ? do you have the kernel modules mousedev, psmouse,usbmouse loaded ? |
| 06:19.24 | phorce1 | is there a howto for setting up a client/server type dynamic DNS server along the lines of what DynDNS uses? I control my own DNS, be nice not to have to modify it by hand when I move machines between locations. |
| 06:19.43 | phorce1 | I've been poking around google and haven't found anything |
| 06:20.28 | sep | phorce1, some dns servers support dynamic updating of records tho. i know bind9 does atlest |
| 06:20.37 | sep | you just need to enable and config it |
| 06:21.21 | graytron | phorce1: you mean like http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/343 ? |
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| 06:23.23 | squisher | Hi, I know 'file' to identify a file, but isn't there a similar cli program that shows some more detailed info? |
| 06:23.40 | squisher | I remember seeing it somewhere in the repository, but I can't remember the name.... |
| 06:23.42 | phorce1 | graytron: that's for DHCP if I plug a machine into the loacl network served by the dhcp/dns server. I need something that will update DNS if I move the machine to another building/network. |
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| 06:26.22 | phorce1 | graytron: I have a couple of test boxes that I carry back and forth between home and work and every time I move them I have to change the DNS records to point to the correct IP address. |
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| 06:28.42 | graytron | phorce1: i see. |
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| 06:29.41 | phorce1 | graytron: My personal machine uses services privided bt http://www.no-ip.com so that when it gets connected to whatever IP address it reports that with an installed client and the IP address pointing to the name gets updated automatically. I want to run a private service like that for the domains that I own (no-ip will do it for me for $25/year per domain -- not) |
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| 06:29.59 | Actium | I installed gpm and it used autops2 and now it works. |
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| 06:30.28 | pinx | squisher: man cat, man ls, man du |
| 06:30.50 | phorce1 | Actium: gpm comes in handy for testing oddball pointing devices. |
| 06:30.58 | Actium | wtf |
| 06:31.00 | Actium | X still won't start |
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| 06:31.24 | squisher | pinx: thanks for the info, but totally not what I'm talking about :-). I want to know what kind of audio is in a matroska file, i.e. :) |
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| 06:31.35 | Actium | this makes no sense |
| 06:31.39 | Actium | gdm found the trackpoint |
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| 06:31.43 | Actium | why can't freaking X |
| 06:31.46 | Actium | >_< |
| 06:31.47 | MariachiElf | Anyone have any ideas on where I can get some advice regarding XML -- I'm trying to create an XSD for a tab delimited file and am not sure why I might find someone to talk to |
| 06:32.43 | amphi | Actium: tell X to use /dev/gpmdata and set gpm to repeat |
| 06:32.54 | pinx | squisher: it helps to ask the right question |
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| 06:33.17 | Actium | Ahh! we have display |
| 06:33.26 | Actium | lmao but the pointer still doesn't work. |
| 06:34.56 | graytron | phorce1: i see. |
| 06:35.03 | squisher | pinx: I think mentioning the file utility, and that I can't remember the name shows pretty clearly I'm not talking about the most standard utilities, but anyways... |
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| 06:36.24 | Actium | amphi: how to reconfigure gpm? |
| 06:36.33 | Actium | amphi: or, where is gpm conf file |
| 06:36.56 | phorce1 | Actium: What's in your xorg.conf for "Device" and "Protocol" for the mouse section? |
| 06:37.18 | Actium | protocol is PS/2 |
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| 06:37.23 | suppaman | hello |
| 06:37.27 | Actium | everythin else is defualts |
| 06:37.33 | Actium | suppaman: hello |
| 06:37.50 | phorce1 | Actium: What does it say for "device" |
| 06:38.21 | suppaman | I've upgraded to testing and now X doesn't start anymore, it says it cannot find default fixed font |
| 06:38.47 | suppaman | how could I fix this ?= |
| 06:39.03 | Actium | phorce1: /dev/psaux |
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| 06:39.47 | phorce1 | Actium: Try setting "Protocol" to "Auto" |
| 06:40.18 | Actium | phorce1: I think I tried that but I'll try again |
| 06:40.18 | suppaman | Actium: what's the prob ? |
| 06:40.32 | phorce1 | Actium: also try stopping gpm before starting X |
| 06:40.39 | suppaman | I can see it's a mouse issue in xorg.conf, but what exactly ? |
| 06:42.01 | pinx | phorce1: no-ip.com does a limited free service |
| 06:42.19 | amphi | Actium: /etc/gpm.conf |
| 06:42.47 | amphi | Actium: I have 'repeat_type=ms3' in there |
| 06:42.52 | Actium | nope, auto doesn't work |
| 06:43.31 | suppaman | Actium: can you repeat what the problem is ? |
| 06:43.32 | amphi | Actium: and 'Option "Protocol" "IntelliMouse"' in xorg.conf |
| 06:43.44 | amphi | Actium: device is /dev/gpmdata |
| 06:44.01 | phorce1 | pinx: yep, use it for one or two machines -- have to use one of their domain names for that. I want to use my own domain names. |
| 06:44.27 | phorce1 | Actium: this is a trackpoint, right? |
| 06:44.34 | suppaman | can anyone help me configuring xorg fonts ? |
| 06:44.56 | amphi | Actium: you might have to create /dev/gpmdata with mkfifo, not sure |
| 06:44.57 | Actium | phorce1: yep |
| 06:45.05 | suppaman | amphi: I think it's created from gpm when using -R |
| 06:45.23 | amphi | suppaman: uhuh |
| 06:45.24 | phorce1 | Actium: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Using_the_X_server_.28kernel_2.6.11.2B.29 |
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| 06:47.55 | pinx | phorce1: me too -- I've been looking at ways to do it for selected clients of mine as well as myself |
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| 06:50.56 | phorce1 | pinx: what's annoying is that I recall seeing a howto several months ago and now I can't find it. I need to clean up and synchronize he firefox bookmarks on 4 machines to figure out where I saved it |
| 06:51.31 | willis_ | hey stoned |
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| 06:52.45 | phorce1 | suppaman: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages#head-a570197d15005a2c71cbb5e565114e2c04a573a3 |
| 06:52.53 | suppaman | my fontpath in xorg.conf are like /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 isn't there a new path ? |
| 06:53.03 | suppaman | maybe that's the problem |
| 06:53.09 | suppaman | until the upgrade I hade xfree |
| 06:53.10 | suppaman | had |
| 06:53.26 | suppaman | phorce1: thanks I'm reading |
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| 06:53.42 | phorce1 | suppaman: try apt-get install xfonts-base |
| 06:53.53 | suppaman | it's already up to date |
| 06:53.56 | suppaman | and xfs is running |
| 06:54.52 | phorce1 | suppaman: I would dump xfs unless you need it to server fonts to other machines. |
| 06:55.19 | suppaman | I don't need it and on the page you gave me there's the exact answer to the path question I just asked |
| 06:55.33 | suppaman | I should had learn how to copy/paste in vi long ago... |
| 06:55.39 | suppaman | it would come in hand now |
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| 06:56.37 | phorce1 | suppaman: having started with DOS many years ago I always install "joe" on all machines I deal with for the wordstart like keystrokes. |
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| 06:56.54 | willis_ | can someone tell me how to download the 9xxx drivers with debian? |
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| 06:57.34 | Actium | alright, routing it through GPM works |
| 06:57.36 | Actium | woot |
| 06:58.03 | suppaman | I never had DOS |
| 06:58.29 | suppaman | phorce1: anyway it was the font path, now it runs |
| 06:58.37 | suppaman | phorce1: I was pretty a gui guy |
| 06:58.49 | suppaman | phorce1: at that time I used to play with HyperCard |
| 06:59.02 | suppaman | I'm hungry |
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| 07:00.24 | suppaman | now the nvidia one-liner |
| 07:00.33 | phorce1 | I bought a Dell laptop specifically to be my primary Windows box. Map software and GPS = 17" screen auto-map for my road trips. Just follow the green line. |
| 07:01.28 | Actium | phorce1 theoreticly couldn't the same be done with google earth on a linux box |
| 07:01.32 | suppaman | I saw a few linux gps program if I'm not wrong |
| 07:01.35 | willis_ | does anyone know how to install nvidia 9xxx with apt |
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| 07:01.51 | phorce1 | drove 1300+ miles this past September (one way, then 1300+ back) without ever touching a US Interstate Highway) |
| 07:01.57 | Actium | willis_ hardware cannot be installed with apt |
| 07:02.06 | Actium | willis_ sorry, I know you had your fingers crossed there |
| 07:02.14 | willis_ | nvidia 9xxx drivers |
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| 07:03.06 | smellydog | How to format a number such as 1 to 01 in bash? |
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| 07:06.14 | haggz | phorce1: if you like driving small roads, you gotta check out the book "blue highways" about travelling around the US on back roads. |
| 07:06.15 | cwheeler | hi anyone know if the xv image viewer is in non-free? I haven't really figured out how to navigate the repostiories |
| 07:07.06 | phorce1 | haggz: I travel to AZ twice a year (from TX) and a couple of other closer places for Volkswagen show/campout events. |
| 07:08.13 | haggz | phorce1: sounds great, I used to have an 80s VW vanagon camper, not as cool as the old buses but still nice |
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| 07:10.01 | phorce1 | haggz: 10 days off. I never go over 50mph. Currently towing my '73 camper to events because I haven't really got it road ready yet. Also own '66 beetle, '74 passenger bus, and a '74 Bradley GT kit car. The '73 and the '66 are the 2 that run. |
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| 07:10.43 | cast | anyone here have any opinions on the usability of NFSv4 in etch? |
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| 07:12.04 | suppaman | is rt2400-source in etch ? do I need to add something to sources.list ? |
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| 07:12.47 | suppaman | I can see it in apt-cache but I can't get it |
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| 07:13.15 | jennam | Hi, I'm configuring a VPN in Debian and I was just wondering which item should have a public IP out of: base OS, sql server, freeradius server, ipsec vpn server, ppp device - my guess was ppp device, should any others? (base OS already does anyway) |
| 07:13.21 | cwheeler | cast is there an easy way to tell what NFS bersion i'm using? |
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| 07:13.30 | granfel | how difficult or easy is it to set up a vpn with debian? |
| 07:13.31 | cwheeler | i'm using etch as an NFS client |
| 07:13.34 | cwheeler | no problems |
| 07:13.42 | cast | cwheeler: well, if you don't know than its probably 4 |
| 07:13.49 | cast | granfel: trivial, with openvpn i've found |
| 07:13.57 | cast | cwheeler: oops, typo. i mean 3 |
| 07:14.02 | jennam | granfel, I found a debian administration tutorial for it |
| 07:14.04 | sep | granfel, openvpn = piece of cake, openswan a bit more messy, but doable. |
| 07:14.13 | jennam | granfel: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/245 |
| 07:14.19 | killer540 | need an ako pass |
| 07:14.24 | cwheeler | i guess i can look at the server kernel config |
| 07:14.26 | killer540 | can anyone help |
| 07:14.27 | killer540 | ? |
| 07:14.40 | granfel | thks, guys, seems like i am in the right place at the right time. |
| 07:14.44 | sep | granfel, unfortunatly youll need openswan if you need ipsec and interop with other vpn vendors |
| 07:15.01 | granfel | sep: that is what i am considering. |
| 07:15.14 | Actium | !dpkg |
| 07:15.23 | killer540 | need an AKOpass |
| 07:15.35 | granfel | sep: does the router i use determine the difficulty of the vpn set-up? |
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| 07:16.18 | cwheeler | cast i'm using v3 |
| 07:16.20 | sep | since we are on the topic of ipsec anyway. have anyone interoperated successfully ipsec, debin vs microsofs internet secuity server? it looses connection each day, becouse of some rekeying problems |
| 07:16.27 | Actium | AGH |
| 07:16.30 | Actium | its so painfully irritating |
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| 07:16.37 | sep | granfel, all my routers use linux :) |
| 07:16.37 | doojin | hi debian |
| 07:16.38 | Actium | how you cannot find out how to sarge > unstable |
| 07:16.40 | Actium | ANYWHERE |
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| 07:16.51 | Actium | anything you ask dpkg he just tells you not to |
| 07:16.56 | Actium | stfu, just tell me how already dammit jesus |
| 07:16.59 | doojin | I want to find out the usages of linux with gui. |
| 07:17.01 | granfel | sep: my is linksys wrt54g. what's yours? |
| 07:17.08 | doojin | Does anybody tell me? |
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| 07:17.38 | doojin | I'm interested in linux, but I have no other reason to use it for now. |
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| 07:18.05 | Actium | doojin: if you've never used linux I'd try an ubuntu live CD |
| 07:18.13 | Actium | doojin: it's a good place to start |
| 07:18.17 | sep | granfel, i use openvpn on a lot of wrt45g's since i use the openwrt firmware |
| 07:18.21 | doojin | Actium : I've tried debian, ubuntu, redhat |
| 07:18.39 | Actium | doojin: REDHAT AGH |
| 07:18.47 | Actium | dammit man, thats the fifth time today |
| 07:18.56 | sep | granfel, i didnt know wrt54g's had ipsec implemented in default firmware at all. actually. |
| 07:19.05 | doojin | Actium : And every three time I was stuck at GUI's shutting down itself several times a week. |
| 07:19.06 | granfel | jennam: which router is yours? |
| 07:19.16 | doojin | Actim : I also remember using gentoo |
| 07:19.19 | jennam | At home, a WAG54G V2 |
| 07:19.19 | Actium | doojin: then it def sounds like faulty hardware |
| 07:19.22 | jennam | linksys |
| 07:19.26 | suppaman | is anyone on etch ? |
| 07:19.27 | granfel | sep: so it has and that makes installation openswan easier? |
| 07:19.28 | Actium | doojin: especially if you tried different distros |
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| 07:19.58 | doojin | I want easy installing distros with stable GUI. |
| 07:20.10 | Actium | doojin: debian can do that |
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| 07:20.27 | doojin | Actium : can I solve ActiveX problem of linux? |
| 07:20.28 | Actium | doojin: Ubuntu is very easy installing. very. |
| 07:20.46 | Actium | doojin: activx is a windows technology, why would it be in linux |
| 07:20.47 | Actium | :P |
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| 07:20.58 | doojin | how about flash player? |
| 07:21.07 | Actium | doojin: yes, there is flash player in linux |
| 07:21.11 | doojin | I remember flash player wasn't installed automatically. |
| 07:21.20 | Actium | doojin: quite easy to setup and install if you have a 32bit computer |
| 07:21.31 | doojin | Actium : What web browser do you recommend? |
| 07:21.35 | Actium | doojin: no, it isn't, but again, its quite easy to setup |
| 07:21.38 | Actium | Firefox of course |
| 07:21.50 | phorce1 | Actium: be nice if they'd release an updated version though (flash) |
| 07:21.52 | Actium | the latest 1.x branch is in sarge and testing should have 2.0 |
| 07:21.57 | sep | Actium, this is a nice start http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ for how to get sid right |
| 07:21.59 | Actium | yeah, true |
| 07:22.09 | Lakez | I've got 4 drives in my debian machine. This last reboot it said "bad super-block" .. run ef2fsck -b 8163 /dev/sdd kinda thing.. but what i'm wondering is, does anyone know the exact command to run? I saw it when i rebooted, i took it out of fstab and it's not in /var/log/* anywhere... |
| 07:22.11 | doojin | Actium : Did ubuntu become easier? |
| 07:22.13 | Actium | sep: I got it, I just forgot to apt-get update haha |
| 07:22.24 | Actium | doojin: well it depends if you've tried the latest version or not |
| 07:22.37 | Actium | doojin: the latest version is very very simple |
| 07:22.48 | Actium | doojin: install occurs entirely off of live CD |
| 07:23.01 | Actium | debian's not as easy although I like my nice little bizcard netinstall disc |
| 07:23.12 | Actium | Still pretty simple though |
| 07:23.31 | doojin | Actium : I had to look for package storage addresses in internet last time. |
| 07:23.31 | granfel | sep: i when thro' the wep page of the wrt54g, and am not quite sure about how to set it up for vpn. In the connection type, there is pptp but not ipsec/l2tp. |
| 07:23.47 | doojin | Actium : I also had to install package software on my own. |
| 07:23.49 | Actium | doojin: everything is handled automaticly with apt |
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| 07:24.00 | doojin | It was synapse |
| 07:24.06 | Actium | doojin: you just type apt-get install <pkgname> and its done |
| 07:24.09 | suppaman | I cannot find nvidia-kernel-common, I've got "main contrib non-free" in sources.list, do I need to add something else ? |
| 07:24.22 | Actium | doojin: also, there is synaptic, a nice gui for the APT system |
| 07:24.28 | doojin | Actium : This time, do I have to find and add storage addresses? |
| 07:24.29 | cast | suppaman: aptitude update perhaps |
| 07:24.30 | suppaman | better said I can see nvidia-kernel-common in packages list but I cannot get it |
| 07:24.36 | granfel | why have you guys stop talking about vpn? |
| 07:24.44 | suppaman | cast: I've just performed an update |
| 07:24.55 | suppaman | cast: though I use apt-get |
| 07:25.00 | Actium | doojin: probably not, but I cannot speak for everything; some software requires you to do that, but thats mostly just for power users.. the average user shouldn't have to |
| 07:25.06 | Actium | doojin: it really depends on the software you use |
| 07:25.11 | sep | granfel, pptp is yet another vpn solution, youll need the pptpd deamon and read some doc's i have no experience with that one |
| 07:25.27 | suppaman | is there a way to fix apt cache ? |
| 07:25.37 | doojin | Actium : Last time, I needed to add some package storages to install usual softwares |
| 07:25.43 | doojin | Like firefox |
| 07:25.47 | suppaman | lol |
| 07:25.55 | suppaman | that's why I cannot get packages |
| 07:26.10 | suppaman | the computer isn't connected to internet |
| 07:26.14 | Actium | doojin: firefox is def included in main package repo |
| 07:26.23 | doojin | reposition? |
| 07:26.27 | phorce1 | suppaman: what do you mean "fix" apt cache? |
| 07:26.34 | granfel | sep: how do you set up your router for vpn? just add iit in as an app with the correct port #? |
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| 07:26.52 | Actium | doojin: repository |
| 07:26.58 | suppaman | phorce1: that I saw a few packages but apt-get wasn't able to get them, now I see it's not connected to internet |
| 07:27.27 | cast | granfel: i'd go as far as saying...the common consumer router/modem sucks. one would be best bypassing it and just using openvpn on the two computers you want to join |
| 07:27.28 | phorce1 | suppaman: Ahh -- yeah, that would cause a problem. |
| 07:27.30 | sep | granfel, each vpn system have it's own way |
| 07:27.49 | doojin | Actium : do you know other boot methods other than something like lilo and grub? |
| 07:28.00 | suppaman | phorce1: the point is I need to get the source package for the wifi card driver but without a connection I can't get it and without the driver I cannot connect to internet |
| 07:28.04 | sep | granfel, you should first compare the systems against your requirements, choose a system, and read that system's doc's and howtos on how to install and configure it |
| 07:28.21 | suppaman | a good ol' eth cable will solve |
| 07:28.43 | phorce1 | suppaman: usb stick. I keep a 4 gig in my pocket |
| 07:28.47 | sep | granfel, since vpn is rather wide umbrella. :) |
| 07:29.25 | granfel | sep: i am set on ipsec for the connection to MS. what are the packages i need to install? |
| 07:29.29 | doojin | Actium : I found grub not a good boot agent. |
| 07:29.36 | suppaman | phorce1: with the repository ? |
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| 07:30.26 | phorce1 | suppaman: you can find links for each download by browsing/searching the packages on debian.org |
| 07:31.03 | granfel | cast: what happen if the two hosts on each end is connected to a wlan, will openvpn handle that? |
| 07:31.18 | doojin | Actium : Are you busy? |
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| 07:31.43 | cast | granfel: if a udp packet can make it there and back openvpn should work |
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| 07:32.01 | granfel | umh |
| 07:32.03 | sep | granfel, MS also supports pptp pppoe openvpn |
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| 07:32.30 | sep | granfel, ofcourse with extra software but :) |
| 07:32.39 | granfel | sep: i have read up about ipsec, it is better but i can't recall how. |
| 07:32.39 | phorce1 | suppaman: grab the files, drop them in /var/cache/apt/archives, then apt-get and it locates them there thinking it has already downloaded them itself |
| 07:32.41 | suppaman | phorce1: nope I've just connected a cable to the ibook and I'm routing the linux box trough it |
| 07:33.02 | sep | granfel, better depends only on your needs :) |
| 07:33.20 | sep | you can't say something is better based on someone elses needs |
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| 07:34.03 | granfel | sep: true, my need it this case is to be able to talk to as many systems across as many platforms as possible.' |
| 07:35.12 | suppaman | phorce1: lol the package was 56 kb |
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| 07:35.28 | granfel | jennam: the tutorial looks good. it helps you a lot? |
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| 07:35.43 | doojin | Does anybody know a boot agent better than grub? |
| 07:35.43 | phorce1 | suppaman: that works too. I had a box with a broken NIC once that I needed to grab packages to install the new NIC. Burned a CD to copy files over. |
| 07:36.42 | wam | Hi, I have 3 monitors connected to 2 graphic-cards. Multihead is running, but it looks as if X is using the first two monitors as one (maximizing a window on one of the first two monitors scales it over both). On the third monitor, anything is as expected. Where do I have to change something? |
| 07:36.46 | cast | doojin: no. |
| 07:37.23 | suppaman | wam: what did you expect ? |
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| 07:37.55 | wam | suppaman: that each monitor behaves as the third one (tasklist is only on the first, maximizing scales only to one monitor) |
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| 07:40.21 | suppaman | wam: I can't help you, just asking |
| 07:41.10 | LeFallen | wam: Sounds like you're using Xinerama perhaps. |
| 07:41.25 | suppaman | damn |
| 07:41.39 | LeFallen | wam: You might want to look into running the two screens as seperate "screens". |
| 07:41.40 | suppaman | I should have dl/ed legacy drivers for TNT2 |
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| 07:42.36 | wam | LeFallen: There's a xinerama module enabled, yes. Should I try to disable it? |
| 07:43.34 | LeFallen | wam: Well, I believe (could be wrong) that Xinerama is designed to treat the two displays as one. |
| 07:43.55 | LeFallen | wam: I personally use the two screens as two screens (as in :0.0 and :0.1). I have an nVidia card. |
| 07:43.57 | jennam | where would interface info for a nic be stored other than /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:44.06 | wam | LeFallen: I'll try. Thanks |
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| 07:45.20 | Guerin | jennam: nowhere |
| 07:46.17 | jennam | odd.. there is an IP not in that config and its in ifconfig |
| 07:46.47 | phorce1 | jennam: provided by dhcp perhaps? |
| 07:46.49 | Guerin | jennam: dhcp? or a custom ifconfig script someplace? |
| 07:47.07 | jennam | its all static |
| 07:47.10 | jennam | but probably a script |
| 07:47.15 | Guerin | as the gods intended |
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| 07:47.58 | phorce1 | jennam: grep for the IP in /etc/* |
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| 07:50.59 | predder | http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=281831 <-- I just had this LVM2 bug happen on a box after bios update... Anyone else experienced this? |
| 07:51.17 | Guerin | predder: someone, clearly, since they reported it |
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| 07:52.38 | yxa | where in /etc can i find which kernel modules to disable? |
| 07:52.44 | g333k_laptop | hi is it possible to install openoffice.org 2.1 in etch? |
| 07:52.57 | Guerin | yxa: ? |
| 07:53.11 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: ask packages.debian.org |
| 07:53.33 | yxa | Guerin some kernel modules load by default. i want to disable that |
| 07:53.41 | Guerin | yxa: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 07:54.24 | yxa | Guerin got it. |
| 07:54.28 | yxa | Guerin thanks |
| 07:54.32 | Guerin | cooldad |
| 07:55.06 | concept10 | is there something that could manage the desktop instead of nautilus in gnome? |
| 07:55.10 | suppaman | how do I enable bash completion for apt packages ? |
| 07:55.17 | yxa | one more question: if i build a kernel in one machine can i bring that kernel module to another with the same kernel version? |
| 07:55.42 | Guerin | yxa: it must be an identical kernel; not just version, but identical source tree built with the identical compiler |
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| 07:59.02 | valdyn | concept10: what's wrong with nautilus? |
| 07:59.28 | Guerin | (apart from the fact that it's gnomeware) |
| 07:59.29 | concept10 | valdyn, I dont use it, im trying to rid my system of stuff I dont use |
| 07:59.40 | Guerin | concept10: so get rid of it |
| 07:59.44 | concept10 | besides, its slow |
| 07:59.47 | Guerin | who needs a desktop anyway? |
| 07:59.56 | concept10 | then nothing manages desktop |
| 08:00.00 | valdyn | concept10: why are you asking for something to manager your desktop then if you 'don't use it' ? |
| 08:00.03 | Guerin | sounds ideal to me |
| 08:00.31 | Guerin | a desktop is just something to store a picture on which I can't see most of the time since windows obscure it |
| 08:00.42 | concept10 | filebrowsing and managing the desktop should be seperate anyway |
| 08:00.47 | Guerin | why? |
| 08:00.59 | suppaman | I think dpkg "nvidia one-liner" section should be updated to xorg instead xfree |
| 08:01.07 | Guerin | ignoring the fact that *any* two operations should be separate |
| 08:01.13 | Guerin | suppaman: probably should |
| 08:01.21 | concept10 | thats like windows explorer being tied to my documents |
| 08:01.25 | valdyn | concept10: if you store folders on your desktop, then probably not, if you just want to display an image you don't need a program 'managing' it, just one to set to background iamge |
| 08:01.55 | concept10 | geez, they should just get rid of that thing |
| 08:01.59 | Guerin | concept10: you think they should re-implement all the same functionality so it can be separate? |
| 08:02.02 | Guerin | that's stupid |
| 08:02.12 | concept10 | no, extract it |
| 08:02.16 | Guerin | concept10: i recommend feh for managing the desktop |
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| 08:02.31 | valdyn | concept10: a 'desktop' in X is just 'normal' window |
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| 08:02.47 | Guerin | with no borders |
| 08:02.48 | Guerin | etc |
| 08:02.54 | Guerin | as it is in windows |
| 08:03.06 | concept10 | I know other desktops such as xfce and fluxbox have different processes managing the desktop |
| 08:03.24 | Guerin | concept10: except they don't have anything *ON* the desktop, like folders and such |
| 08:03.27 | concept10 | remember the old unix philosophy Guerin ? |
| 08:03.30 | valdyn | concept10: fluxbox doesnt manage you desktop |
| 08:03.50 | Guerin | concept10: yes, which is why I use feh. |
| 08:03.56 | concept10 | valdyn, there is some hack or feature that allows you to do that |
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| 08:04.11 | Guerin | concept10: yes, it involves running nautilus or something very similar |
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| 08:04.40 | jindal | hey guys somewhere here who can help me with problems in freeradius server and openldap ? (am able to to auth against user id and password using openldap at the back end of freeradius... but dont know how to enfore MAC address checking) |
| 08:05.06 | valdyn | concept10: go ahead use fluxbox, gnome isnt tied to any particular wm |
| 08:05.08 | Guerin | people use MAC address checking as a security feature? |
| 08:05.11 | valdyn | concept10: or whatever wm |
| 08:05.43 | concept10 | If I could use Thunar, I would be happy. I have been typically unsatisfied with nautilus for three years on gnome. |
| 08:06.02 | valdyn | that's a long time to not do something about it |
| 08:06.20 | Guerin | a long time to use gnome |
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| 08:06.46 | concept10 | valdyn, do what? |
| 08:06.55 | concept10 | file a bug? |
| 08:07.04 | crazy_penguin | 'morning all! |
| 08:07.48 | valdyn | concept10: whatever you want, like remove nautilus |
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| 08:08.43 | concept10 | You file a bug - "Nautilus uses lots of memory and is slow browsing files" - Devs respond - "Please post your trace" - Im thinking mutherflocker what part of slow and heavy on my system do you not understand? |
| 08:09.22 | Guerin | well, it's a pretty useless bugreport |
| 08:09.24 | valdyn | concept10: that dev is really being nice, could aswell have said 'fucking use something else' |
| 08:09.33 | concept10 | heh |
| 08:10.39 | valdyn | my nautilus is sitting at 29M RES , cant say that would concern me |
| 08:10.55 | concept10 | valdyn, is it slow? |
| 08:11.02 | valdyn | concept10: no |
| 08:11.30 | concept10 | valdyn, try thunar, browse a big directory, you will see an immediate difference |
| 08:12.03 | Guerin | thunar - yet another candidate for worst app name ever |
| 08:12.09 | concept10 | You would think that you have SATA 5 with 700 mb/s transfer rate |
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| 08:12.40 | valdyn | concept10: that's one useless number |
| 08:12.57 | valdyn | concept10: i have yet to see a sata disk saturating this |
| 08:13.07 | concept10 | Guerin, I agree with that. You know open source guys dont know how to name apps |
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| 08:13.24 | concept10 | valdyn, just a joke |
| 08:13.32 | Guerin | concept10: i don't see this as a problem, more as a joke. |
| 08:13.41 | valdyn | concept10: 'pcmanfm' claims to be fast and small |
| 08:13.42 | concept10 | but seriously, try it, even a old version |
| 08:13.58 | concept10 | its faster than nautilus |
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| 08:14.53 | concept10 | when I work on a project that has 1000s of files in the folder, I dont want to wait on the file browser |
| 08:15.03 | Guerin | or MC when things get *really* hardcore |
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| 08:15.49 | valdyn | some filesystems just get slow with 20k files in a directory, just doing 'ls' takes forever, that does not have to be the filemanagers fault. |
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| 08:16.14 | valdyn | but since nautilus stats every file and possibly even generates a preview its bound to be not suitable for this kind of stuff |
| 08:16.18 | Guerin | valdyn: but of course he's using ultra 1337 filesystem like ricerfs |
| 08:17.11 | concept10 | Seriously, I stop getting fustrated with Linux when I look at it from the perspective of a Kernel, some dev-tools, a whole lot of shared libraries and a shit load scripts, man pages and readme files that you can dick around with as much as you like. |
| 08:17.34 | concept10 | nothing more, nothing less |
| 08:17.44 | Guerin | concept10: how do you become a kernel, for that perspective? |
| 08:18.05 | concept10 | lazy on the typing |
| 08:18.07 | concept10 | sorry |
| 08:18.29 | concept10 | Guerin, You Too can wake up and be the kernel! |
| 08:18.58 | Guerin | ZOMG |
| 08:20.11 | concept10 | have you guys looked at openmoko? |
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| 08:20.51 | Guerin | if their website design is anything to go by, I'd rather not |
| 08:21.42 | concept10 | Guerin, look at the wiki, they have tons of info there |
| 08:22.03 | concept10 | its really "good stuff(tm)" |
| 08:22.17 | Guerin | their site is amazingly shit |
| 08:23.05 | samuk | I have just got the package bcm43xx-fwcutter (a wireless driver) I started module-assistant expecting to find a entry for the new driver but it does not appear.. what should i do to get my wireless card working please? |
| 08:23.26 | Guerin | samuk: what do you mean by `got'? |
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| 08:23.45 | valdyn | samuk: fwcutter is a tool which can extract firmware from various source files. |
| 08:23.48 | samuk | apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 08:23.51 | valdyn | samuk: not a driver |
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| 08:24.07 | Guerin | samuk: that has nothing to do with the driver you'd build with m-a, afaict |
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| 08:24.16 | concept10 | samuk, im not sure you can get the firmware anymore because its in the kernel |
| 08:24.17 | samuk | OK so what do i do next please? |
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| 08:24.57 | valdyn | samuk: what hardware do you need a driver for? |
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| 08:25.36 | samuk | this laptop http://www.puchalla-online.de/nx6325.html |
| 08:25.44 | concept10 | some bcm43xx related wireless chipset |
| 08:25.56 | Guerin | !captain obvious concept10 |
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| 08:26.16 | liable | anyone able to shed some light on why a couple of apps read the drive, wait around 5 seconds, then read the drive again and then start? |
| 08:26.21 | valdyn | samuk: have you retrieved that firmware yet? |
| 08:26.29 | Guerin | liable: gnome apps? |
| 08:26.37 | liable | its quite annoying |
| 08:26.51 | Lakez | anyone know how to fix bad superblock? |
| 08:26.55 | samuk | yes, thats what apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter did |
| 08:26.56 | liable | Guerin: konsole and open office in particular |
| 08:27.24 | valdyn | samuk: uname -r |
| 08:27.24 | Guerin | liable: konsole may have to load some dcop stuff ... oo.o is notoriously slow to load |
| 08:27.40 | samuk | 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 08:27.52 | metrics | liable, it could be that the stuff is loaded into mem and then processed. |
| 08:27.53 | valdyn | samuk: and what does the url you linked tell? |
| 08:28.10 | metrics | but yeah, oo is always slow. |
| 08:28.11 | valdyn | samuk: let me guess, you read the bold text: "NEW: patch for 2.6.20 to make the internal wireless work without ndiswrapper!" NOT ? |
| 08:28.23 | liable | Guerin: it does load dcop, i get an error from it every once in a while, anyway to speed it up? |
| 08:28.31 | Guerin | liable: nttbomk |
| 08:28.42 | Guerin | liable: unless it's by runnign some dcop app at all times |
| 08:28.43 | samuk | OK sorry |
| 08:28.57 | Guerin | most kde applets are, so you usually wouldn';t notice it in kde itself |
| 08:29.12 | samuk | how do i update my kernel please? |
| 08:29.28 | liable | i dont run kde |
| 08:29.36 | valdyn | why do people buy laptops for linux with non-supported hardware? |
| 08:29.37 | concept10 | samuk, what kernel are you on? they have been in the mainline kernel for some time |
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| 08:29.43 | valdyn | samuk: probably easier to use ndiswrapper |
| 08:29.44 | liable | Guerin: what package is nttbomk in? |
| 08:30.07 | Guerin | liable: common-acronyms, i think |
| 08:30.17 | samuk | concept 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 08:30.27 | Guerin | maybe libacronyms-common |
| 08:30.35 | liable | !smite Guerin |
| 08:30.40 | Guerin | noes! |
| 08:31.10 | liable | here i was thinking you were offering usefull help |
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| 08:31.35 | concept10 | samuk, from the page: This driver was included into the Linux kernel since 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 08:31.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:31.49 | Guerin | !nttbomk |
| 08:31.50 | dpkg | Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
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| 08:32.17 | anuragj | list/ |
| 08:32.23 | Guerin | !list |
| 08:32.23 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to guerin |
| 08:32.27 | Guerin | choice |
| 08:32.28 | liable | oh, never seen that one.. |
| 08:32.33 | anuragj | .. |
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| 08:32.38 | anuragj | by mistake .. |
| 08:32.47 | Guerin | anuragj: I cn dcc it 2 u lol |
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| 08:33.07 | anuragj | Hmm |
| 08:33.08 | concept10 | samuk, you will get better help here: #bcm-users |
| 08:33.27 | samuk | ok thanks |
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| 08:39.24 | suppaman | I'm having _the_ problem I feared |
| 08:39.35 | suppaman | I cannot get rt2400 wireless module to work |
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| 08:40.08 | suppaman | I've compiled it with m-a and it installs regularly |
| 08:40.30 | suppaman | but I had wifiinterface as ra0 in 2.4.32 while now it's eth1 |
| 08:40.50 | suppaman | _but_ iwconfig reports it as eth21 |
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| 08:42.11 | liable | show us a ifconfig and iwconfig paste |
| 08:42.21 | liable | udev could be playing into it too |
| 08:42.38 | acc_ | Hi, #Debian. I just installed the xorg, kde, and kdm packages, and the fonts are so tiny as to be illegible. How can I adjust this? Thanks |
| 08:44.24 | dimir | acc_: kcontrol (KDE Control Center from menu) |
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| 08:45.55 | dimir | acc_: Appearance & Themes -> Fonts |
| 08:46.16 | acc_ | dimir: Thanks, but why is the default font so tiny? |
| 08:46.32 | Gnea | acc_: what is your resolution set to? |
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| 08:46.44 | Guerin | acc_: it depends on your resolution, dpi setting and so on |
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| 08:46.59 | acc_ | Resolution is 1024x768. How do I adjust DPI? |
| 08:47.02 | suppaman_ | liable: http://rafb.net/p/Ibauek97.html |
| 08:47.07 | suppaman_ | I forgot ifconfig |
| 08:47.26 | suppaman_ | but I had evert interface down, now I've enabled eth0 |
| 08:47.34 | liable | suppaman_: repaste with that then |
| 08:47.42 | Gnea | !kde |
| 08:47.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
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| 08:48.48 | suppaman_ | http://rafb.net/p/2uS52l23.html |
| 08:49.01 | suppaman_ | here it is |
| 08:49.12 | suppaman_ | any help would be _very_ appreciated |
| 08:49.31 | suppaman | I'm kind of lost without wifi |
| 08:49.40 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 08:50.11 | loiic_ | Hello, i'd like to know about the hardware of my server, (CPU installed and RAM installed) how can i get those information ? |
| 08:50.16 | Guerin | suppaman: m-a prepare && m-a a-i rt2400-source |
| 08:50.38 | Gnea | loiic_: cat /proc/cpuinfo and the 'free' commands |
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| 08:50.43 | Guerin | suppaman: get the firmware from sourceforge ... and if it will come up but doesn't work, enable wep |
| 08:50.44 | suppaman | Guerin: that's what I did |
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| 08:50.57 | jedir0x | I've messed up my mysql install. I don't have any data, so i don't need to worry about backups. I've done a remove --purge on mysql-server and mysql-client, i deleted /etc/mysql, /var/lib/mysql, and /etc/init.d/mysql* Now when i do an apt-get install mysql-server it goes extremely fast, and doesn't pring up the ncurses configuration application... also it doesn't place any init scripts in /etc/init.d/ for the mysql server. Any sugges |
| 08:50.57 | jedir0x | #freenode-social Cannot send to channel |
| 08:51.07 | jedir0x | wtf |
| 08:51.09 | loiic_ | thanks a lot Gnea |
| 08:51.16 | hark | loiic_: lshw, dmidecode, hwinfo |
| 08:51.20 | jedir0x | um, sorry for the spam... did taht first paragraphical question make it? |
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| 08:51.32 | suppaman | Guerin: do you think that running m-a again will help ? |
| 08:51.39 | Dewi | jedir0x: ncurses won't stop being configured because you removed mysql |
| 08:51.41 | Gnea | jedir0x: for the most part... what branch of debian are you using? |
| 08:51.42 | Guerin | suppaman: why would it? |
| 08:51.52 | Gnea | !branch |
| 08:51.52 | dpkg | branch is probably what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
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| 08:51.58 | Guerin | suppaman: what is the problem? |
| 08:51.58 | jedir0x | debhelpersux0r:~# cat /etc/issue |
| 08:51.58 | jedir0x | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 \n \l |
| 08:52.10 | Gnea | jedir0x: try cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:52.13 | jedir0x | Dewi: i'm talking about the NCURSES based configuration for mysql |
| 08:52.22 | suppaman | Guerin: how do I setup the wireless network ? I used to perform a iwconfig ra0 <myoptions> |
| 08:52.23 | jedir0x | 3.1 |
| 08:52.24 | qwertz | Hi, is there a list with hardware that each version of debian supports? |
| 08:52.34 | Gnea | jedir0x: that's provided by package management, not mysql |
| 08:52.39 | suppaman | Guerin: but now I have eth1 in dmesg and eth21 in iwconfig |
| 08:52.46 | jedir0x | Gnea: ok |
| 08:52.49 | Gnea | qwertz: it's whatever's supported by the kernel |
| 08:52.54 | jedir0x | I guess my general question is, how do i get mysql installed? :) |
| 08:52.56 | suppaman | Guerin: and if I try to do a iwconfig eth21 the computer hangs up |
| 08:52.58 | Guerin | suppaman: use ifrename to give it a proper name |
| 08:53.02 | jedir0x | And i'd like it to be "from scratch" if possible |
| 08:53.03 | Gnea | suppaman: try ifconfig -a |
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| 08:53.11 | Guerin | ifconfig is the one to trust |
| 08:53.29 | Gnea | jedir0x: issue this please: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep mysql | wc -l |
| 08:53.41 | jedir0x | 9 |
| 08:53.45 | Gnea | ok |
| 08:53.59 | Gnea | this time, drop the | wc -l and paste the output to a paster site please |
| 08:54.00 | Gnea | !paster |
| 08:54.00 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:54.02 | suppaman_ | eth21 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:11:2F:21:C3:CA |
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| 08:54.10 | jedir0x | Gnea: dotde |
| 08:54.16 | jedir0x | I've added to sources.list |
| 08:54.24 | Gnea | jedir0x: dotde? |
| 08:54.37 | jedir0x | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5388 |
| 08:54.50 | suppaman | it works |
| 08:54.55 | suppaman | Gnea: it's eth21 in ifconfig |
| 08:55.06 | jedir0x | i meant, dotdeb... sorry |
| 08:55.09 | suppaman | now my question becomes: why does dmesg report eth1 ? |
| 08:55.12 | Dewi | I am looking to upgrade a system from FC3 to etch - could anyone recommend any resources on how to transfer users/groups with matching uids/gids, and stuff like that? |
| 08:55.32 | Guerin | Dewi: they should use the same config files |
| 08:55.36 | Gnea | suppaman: ok, that just means that the interface is there, but not configured - what branch are you using? |
| 08:55.39 | Guerin | Dewi: the tools are all pretty standard, I'd guess |
| 08:55.46 | suppaman | ok it doesn't, I just read wrongly |
| 08:55.50 | haary | I try to config LDAP w/ SASL. But I keep getting SASL(-13): user not found: no secret in database |
| 08:55.52 | liable | suppaman: its says eth21 on the paste you gave |
| 08:55.53 | Gnea | Dewi: you wouldn't upgrade, you would migrate |
| 08:56.00 | Dewi | Gnea: well, yeah. |
| 08:56.07 | suppaman | liable: you I just realized that |
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| 08:56.11 | suppaman | s/you/yea |
| 08:56.16 | Guerin | suppaman: you have the firmware? |
| 08:56.19 | suppaman | Gnea: I'm on testing now |
| 08:56.22 | jedir0x | Dewi: create /tmp/users/ and /tmp/groups for each user/group create a directory with the name of the user/group... then edit /etc/passwd and /etc/group |
| 08:56.22 | haary | simple bind however works |
| 08:56.39 | qwertz | Gnea, thanks for the info, do you know if (and yes where) there is such a hardware list in the kernel sources? |
| 08:56.44 | suppaman | Guerin: obviously it has got a firmware, otherwise the nic would not work |
| 08:56.45 | liable | rt2400 doesnt have firmware iirc |
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| 08:56.58 | Guerin | well, it appears to be not working to me |
| 08:57.00 | Gnea | jedir0x: i'm still on it... |
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| 08:57.04 | jedir0x | anyway, any suggestions Gnea? |
| 08:57.06 | jedir0x | ah, cool.. thanks :) |
| 08:57.08 | Guerin | it's not up, for a start |
| 08:57.15 | Guerin | suppaman: bring it up with ifconfig |
| 08:57.23 | Guerin | suppaman: give it a static ip |
| 08:57.32 | Dewi | Guerin: I'd rather get as far as possible away from FC3-ising a nice clean etch system |
| 08:57.34 | Gnea | qwertz: make menuconfig usually brings it all up if you have the kernel sources installed |
| 08:57.35 | suppaman | it was a misreading |
| 08:57.36 | jedir0x | I'll brb Gnea (AFK for 1 minute) |
| 08:57.44 | Dewi | Guerin: FC3 is old and very messy, and actually the config files are laid out pretty differently |
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| 08:57.54 | suppaman | Guerin: that's what I had, but with 2.4 if had just a different name |
| 08:57.59 | suppaman | anyway it's all ok now thx |
| 08:58.04 | Guerin | Dewi: well, you can probably script changing the uids and such |
| 08:58.14 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:58.30 | Gnea | jedir0x: roger that |
| 08:59.08 | liable | fucking dialup is killing me, three months now |
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| 09:00.54 | Dewi | Guerin: I'll probably just match them... to be honest my main concern is how long it is going to take, with downtime all the while. I guess normally one might hope to have both machines in the data centre at once, or at least swap one machine for another so the original remains intact |
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| 09:01.20 | Dewi | Guerin: I wonder what RAID controllers I have and how to get them going. I've never known how they worked in FC3. |
| 09:01.41 | jedir0x | Gnea: back, anything yet? |
| 09:01.44 | Guerin | Dewi: worst comes to worst, you can keep running the fc3 kernel on debian |
| 09:01.49 | Guerin | <heh> |
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| 09:02.16 | Dewi | Guerin: I assume you mean in some kind of emulation environment |
| 09:02.46 | Guerin | nah, you can actually boot and run it if you have to - with a debian userland |
| 09:02.49 | Gnea | jedir0x: try this, it should print a list of each package, hopefully without cutting the names off in the process: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep mysql | awk '{print $2}' |
| 09:03.34 | jedir0x | Gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5389 |
| 09:03.55 | Dewi | Guerin: um... what are the versions of passwd, group, and shadow with the dashes at the end? |
| 09:04.02 | Dewi | Guerin: do they actually matter? |
| 09:04.04 | Guerin | Dewi: no idea |
| 09:04.30 | Gnea | jedir0x: how big is your terminal? stty -a | grep rows |
| 09:04.46 | jedir0x | speed 38400 baud; rows 24; columns 162; line = 0; |
| 09:04.52 | jedir0x | :) yeah, i stretched it |
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| 09:05.10 | jedir0x | howver, the Ncurses thing came up once in this very terminal (with it that big) |
| 09:06.07 | Dewi | dpkg: I'm really frightened. But you'll save me, won't you? |
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| 09:06.39 | Decepticon | dpkg -l wine |
| 09:06.39 | dpkg | ii wine 2.4-4 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 09:06.49 | Decepticon | dpkg -l youtube-dl |
| 09:06.49 | dpkg | No packages found matching youtube-dl |
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| 09:06.57 | suppaman | bye guys, thanks again |
| 09:07.03 | Decepticon | dpkg -l pine |
| 09:07.03 | dpkg | No packages found matching pine |
| 09:07.07 | Decepticon | dpkg -l asshole |
| 09:07.07 | dpkg | ii asshole 1.5-1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 09:07.28 | jedir0x | how do you remove locally downloaded packages? |
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| 09:07.53 | liable | .debs or compiled? |
| 09:08.18 | Guerin | Decepticon: would you mind being less retarded? |
| 09:08.19 | Dewi | Guerin: do the order of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow have to match or anything? |
| 09:08.29 | Guerin | Dewi: i don't believe so |
| 09:08.41 | Guerin | order of lines, anyway |
| 09:08.48 | Decepticon | sorry |
| 09:08.48 | Guerin | order of fields definitely needs to match |
| 09:08.52 | Dewi | hehe |
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| 09:10.57 | qwertz | Gnea, thanks |
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| 09:13.32 | Gnea | jedir0x: hrm, i'm not sure why it's clipping the ends of the packagenames like that... |
| 09:14.14 | jedir0x | Gnea: i got rid of the extra stuff i put in sources.list |
| 09:14.15 | jedir0x | did an update |
| 09:14.21 | jedir0x | and did an apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 09:14.26 | Gnea | jedir0x: anyway, let's start from fresh again: for i in `dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep mysql | awk '{print $2}'`; do j=`echo $i`; apt-get --purge remove "$j"; done |
| 09:14.28 | jedir0x | got the ncurses gui and everythign seems to be installed |
| 09:14.38 | Gnea | jedir0x: what had you added to sources.list? |
| 09:14.45 | Gnea | oooh ok |
| 09:14.46 | jedir0x | HOWEVER.... now i get this when started mysql: Fatal error: Can't open privilege tables: Can't find file: './mysql/host.frm' (errno: 13) |
| 09:14.53 | jedir0x | Gnea: something for php5 |
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| 09:15.34 | Gnea | jedir0x: that's fine, it's probably libdbd-mysql-p == libdbd-mysql-php or libdbd-mysql-php5 |
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| 09:20.21 | briandill | got disconnected |
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| 09:23.52 | rpc | would it be possible to convert traiditional date into unix date? |
| 09:23.56 | rpc | traditional* |
| 09:24.08 | muxell | hi guys, any package to monitor website traffic? |
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| 09:24.17 | rpc | mrtg |
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| 09:24.52 | muxell | rpc: that's for me? |
| 09:24.58 | rpc | yes |
| 09:25.03 | muxell | thks |
| 09:25.07 | heviarti | hey.. what's that plan9 shell knockoff called? |
| 09:25.08 | rpc | np |
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| 09:25.46 | muxell | rpc: that's the only you would recommend? |
| 09:25.55 | rpc | yes, that's all you need... |
| 09:25.56 | muxell | only one |
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| 09:26.03 | muxell | ok, bye. |
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| 09:26.31 | rpc | yes, only one... |
| 09:26.32 | briandill | Gnea: got it, --purged them all, (including mysql-common) installed mysql-common, then installed mysql-server (mysql-common contained the needed my.cnf file)... seems mysql-server should have a dependency on mysql-common |
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| 09:27.54 | Gnea | briandill: cool |
| 09:27.56 | heviarti | anyone? |
| 09:27.57 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 09:28.12 | heviarti | bueller? |
| 09:28.15 | briandill | Gnea: I'm jedir0x :) |
| 09:28.26 | suppaman | hello, is there a small gui for apt in X ? I'm using a versy small desktop with openbox and fbpanel so I'd like to have something small |
| 09:28.30 | heviarti | and the damn thing don't say "anyone?" |
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| 09:29.41 | cydork | suppaman: you can use aptitude which has ncurses interface.. |
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| 09:30.20 | heviarti | someone? i need an apt cache search.. there was a shell i liked under debian.. now that i am free of debian, i'd like a copy of the shell.. |
| 09:30.32 | jennam | I'm trying to run a cron but it doesnt appear to be working.. whats wrong with this syntax?: */2 * * * * /root/ifup.sh |
| 09:30.36 | briandill | heviarti: name of that shell? |
| 09:30.42 | jennam | the script itself runs fine externally |
| 09:30.47 | suppaman | cydork: nope if I had to use ncurses I'd stay with cli apt-tools |
| 09:30.56 | sep | heviarti, http://packages.debian.org |
| 09:30.57 | heviarti | briandill: i forget, but a search for plan 9 should do it.. |
| 09:31.14 | briandill | rc - an implementation of the AT&T Plan 9 shell |
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| 09:31.15 | rpc | jennam that line is just fine, works every 2 minutes |
| 09:31.23 | suppaman | cydork: I saw a few utilities on various *ubuntu and wondered what could I use on my little desktop |
| 09:31.34 | heviarti | that was it! |
| 09:31.37 | heviarti | thanks. |
| 09:31.49 | heviarti | wish they had a programming tutorial for it.. |
| 09:31.55 | heviarti | i'd make it my boot shell |
| 09:31.59 | jennam | rpc, I cant figure out why it will not run then :X |
| 09:32.07 | cydork | suppaman: ubuntu has adept and synaptic i guess.. |
| 09:32.19 | rpc | jennam mhm did you install it with crontab -e or else? |
| 09:32.26 | jennam | crontab -e |
| 09:32.41 | Gnea | briandill: yeah i know :) |
| 09:32.42 | rpc | and did you check /var/log/syslog? |
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| 09:32.52 | suppaman | btw apt-get keeps saying me that packages cannot be authenticated even if they are from testing/main, do I need some additional sources for authentication ? |
| 09:33.08 | rpc | jennam tail -f /var/log/syslog and wait 2 mins :) |
| 09:33.10 | suppaman | cydork: but I think those are for gnome, aren't they ? |
| 09:33.51 | cydork | suppaman: /topic . look for no public key. |
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| 09:34.13 | jennam | rpc: Feb 15 17:36:01 erx-core2 /USR/SBIN/CRON[3010]: (root) CMD (/root/ifup.sh > /dev/null) |
| 09:34.15 | cydork | suppaman: they both are gtk afaik. |
| 09:34.20 | jennam | it appears to run |
| 09:34.28 | jennam | but it doesnt *work* |
| 09:34.39 | jennam | What I'm doing is making it check if eth0 is up or not |
| 09:34.44 | rpc | jennam cron is doing its job, the rest is up to the script |
| 09:34.45 | suppaman | cydork: but I don't see no public key available |
| 09:34.49 | jennam | if its down, bring it up |
| 09:35.02 | jennam | but it works fine when cron isnt involved >< |
| 09:35.49 | jennam | the command is simply ifup eth0 |
| 09:35.53 | rpc | jennam so it doesn't actually bring eth0 up? |
| 09:35.57 | jennam | for now |
| 09:36.00 | haary | I can't do LDAP SASL auth, log says "Failure: no secret in database". Simple bind works. |
| 09:36.01 | jennam | No, it doesnt appear to |
| 09:36.05 | cydork | suppaman: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 09:36.12 | rpc | hm remove that > /dev/null |
| 09:36.19 | rpc | i don't like that one :) |
| 09:36.20 | suppaman | cydork: already done, |
| 09:36.22 | jennam | I tried it without that |
| 09:36.25 | suppaman | cydork: it was in no public key :-) |
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| 09:36.38 | suppaman | cydork: I'm the good guy |
| 09:36.41 | rpc | it must work |
| 09:37.18 | suppaman | isn't it wonderful when dist-upgrade has nothing to upgrade ? |
| 09:37.36 | rpc | jennam are you on debian? |
| 09:37.39 | jennam | rpc: yes |
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| 09:37.53 | jennam | I just tried again without > /dev/null |
| 09:37.56 | rpc | jennam i once had a prob with cron... on old debian potatoe |
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| 09:38.09 | jennam | it seems to run other crons fine |
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| 09:38.17 | rpc | hm now that's strange then |
| 09:38.22 | jennam | >< |
| 09:38.32 | rpc | and frustrating too |
| 09:38.35 | jennam | isnt ifup <device> the way to bring up ethernet devices? |
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| 09:39.31 | rpc | hm i like to use ifconfig eth0 up |
| 09:39.34 | rpc | try that one |
| 09:39.37 | jennam | okay |
| 09:39.39 | heviarti | well this tanks |
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| 09:39.48 | rpc | sometimes ifup doesn't work for some mean reason |
| 09:39.48 | heviarti | viz.tamu.edu isn't picking up.. |
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| 09:40.01 | rpc | heviarti what tanks? |
| 09:40.19 | rpc | is there a war or what? :) |
| 09:40.52 | heviarti | according to this doc, rc source should be at viz.tamu.edu ftp.. |
| 09:41.28 | rpc | mhm try googling it then |
| 09:41.40 | heviarti | that's where i found the doc.. |
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| 09:42.29 | heviarti | i'm gonna see what sourceforge says.. |
| 09:43.23 | heviarti | still leaves me shy ginstall |
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| 09:44.10 | jennam | that didnt work either lol |
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| 09:45.29 | sep | how can i find out what kernel module a integrated RTL-8100 wants ? i dont have the hardware here so i can't lspci. 8139too.o is tested and didnt detect it. |
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| 09:50.06 | hatter | sep: i think its the 8139cp driver for that nic |
| 09:50.35 | sep | hatter, no, but i will now |
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| 09:50.51 | sep | or rather, my coworker at the other end of the phone will :) |
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| 09:51.43 | hatter | IIRC, those two drivers work on all the 100Mb rtl nic's |
| 09:51.54 | hatter | except some 8139d chipsets |
| 09:51.57 | hatter | grrrr |
| 09:52.24 | hatter | some 8139d's are 'poo'. |
| 09:55.55 | rpc | jennam wish i could help you - i'm clueless :/ |
| 09:56.25 | liable | sheesh reddit seems to suck more every day |
| 09:56.26 | rpc | does anyone know if "date" can give unix time? |
| 09:56.44 | hatter | unix time ? |
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| 09:56.48 | rpc | yes |
| 09:56.50 | Gnea | grrrrr, even after i tweaked my nvidia setup to not use nvagp and some other things, GL-based games continue to hardlock the system... |
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| 09:57.23 | heviarti | ok. now I am really angry and stuff |
| 09:57.26 | Gnea | i just wanna be able to sit down for an hour or two and play, that's it... not 2 minutes into it have to reboot and fsck everything |
| 09:57.27 | liable | hatter: unix time gives you the time in 0's and 1's :P |
| 09:57.34 | Gnea | heviarti: welcome to the club. what's wrong? |
| 09:57.53 | hatter | unix time is 9 months older than me :) |
| 09:57.57 | rpc | or is there an easy way to convert from human time to unix time? |
| 09:58.02 | hatter | rpc |
| 09:58.07 | rpc | he he |
| 09:58.07 | hatter | did you google it ? |
| 09:58.08 | xand | rpc: %s |
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| 09:58.13 | xand | rpc: read the manuak |
| 09:58.14 | rpc | xand oh! |
| 09:58.15 | xand | *manual |
| 09:58.16 | heviarti | Gnea: the page that's s'posed to have the rc source on it 404s. |
| 09:58.17 | rpc | i did |
| 09:58.20 | hatter | 1 jan 1970 |
| 09:58.26 | rpc | nono |
| 09:58.39 | hatter | seconds elapsed since then |
| 09:58.39 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.41 | Gnea | heviarti: is it google cached? what about the wayback machine? |
| 09:58.47 | rpc | or yesyes |
| 09:59.04 | rpc | thank you :) now if only i could easily convert from date to unix |
| 09:59.05 | heviarti | dunno. no idea how to actually directly manipulate the google cahce. |
| 09:59.10 | heviarti | cache |
| 09:59.19 | rpc | what i'm trying to do is to count an uptime of some service |
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| 09:59.30 | rpc | it's writing to log every 30 seconds |
| 09:59.32 | suppaman | hello |
| 09:59.35 | Gnea | it's pretty simple, when google gives you the results, it will almost always have a 'cached' link just below it. click on it. |
| 09:59.40 | heviarti | of course some debian dev has the source |
| 09:59.49 | Gnea | there's nothing to manipulate :) |
| 09:59.53 | heviarti | Gnea: never works for the links to the files. |
| 10:00.07 | Gnea | heviarti: of course not, it only caches webpage data |
| 10:00.09 | heviarti | once you click a link.. you're outta the cache |
| 10:00.22 | Gnea | right, it's not a full wayback |
| 10:00.29 | heviarti | i need source. |
| 10:00.41 | Gnea | for what? |
| 10:00.45 | heviarti | rc |
| 10:00.50 | Gnea | what's rc? |
| 10:00.56 | heviarti | it's a shell. |
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| 10:01.00 | Gnea | Rectal Crap? |
| 10:01.03 | heviarti | i recommend you apt-get it |
| 10:01.05 | liable | isnt there a few sites that do that? |
| 10:01.17 | xand | heviarti: apt-get the source then |
| 10:01.29 | rpc | date --date="%s" <---? hrhm this doesn't work |
| 10:01.31 | Gnea | heviarti: apt-get source rc |
| 10:01.33 | heviarti | xand: dude... I'm not on debian |
| 10:01.39 | xand | heviarti: so? |
| 10:01.44 | Gnea | heviarti: well we only support debian here. |
| 10:01.46 | heviarti | i left that behind. |
| 10:01.46 | rpc | heviarti so what are you doing here? :) |
| 10:01.47 | xand | heviarti: why are you asking in here then? |
| 10:01.50 | Gnea | sorry, you're outta luck |
| 10:01.50 | xand | heviarti: go away :P |
| 10:01.54 | rpc | go |
| 10:01.58 | heviarti | because i had the shell on a debian box. |
| 10:02.26 | Gnea | heviarti: you'll have better luck asking in the channel that supports your distro. |
| 10:02.27 | cydork | rpc: it's date +%s |
| 10:02.30 | xand | the answer is to apt-get the source... bye |
| 10:02.34 | heviarti | i asked someone here.. they came up with it being rc (which is a really cool shell.. |
| 10:02.39 | heviarti | heh. as if. |
| 10:02.40 | rpc | cydork thank you - i just can't think anymore |
| 10:02.52 | xand | heviarti: if you're not using debian, why should we help you? |
| 10:02.55 | cydork | rpc: stop smoking crack ?? :P |
| 10:02.56 | rpc | heviarti so what's your distro? |
| 10:03.24 | heviarti | rpc: a very hacked slackware on alpha. |
| 10:03.24 | rpc | cydork no, i think i will start smoking lol |
| 10:03.24 | rpc | perhaps that helps |
| 10:03.26 | Gnea | obviously, #slackware |
| 10:03.30 | rpc | heviarti mhm |
| 10:03.38 | heviarti | i'm one of two people on the slack channel running an alpha. the other is asleep. |
| 10:03.46 | xand | ah well |
| 10:04.01 | Gnea | what does running it on alpha have ANYTHING to do with it? |
| 10:04.05 | Gnea | just go there and ASK |
| 10:04.09 | rpc | and that's why you came for help :) |
| 10:04.09 | heviarti | i have debian on two of my alphas |
| 10:04.15 | Gnea | the source is platform-independent - it doesn't care |
| 10:04.24 | Gnea | well i don't care. |
| 10:04.39 | xand | heviarti: apt-get the source on there then |
| 10:04.41 | heviarti | well.... some debian dev has the source packed away somewhre.. |
| 10:04.42 | Gnea | now please, visit the appropriate forum to receive the help you require instead of disrespecting us. |
| 10:05.04 | xand | heviarti: apt-get source rc |
| 10:05.06 | xand | heviarti: EOF |
| 10:05.09 | Gnea | heviarti: lack of respect won't help you locate it. |
| 10:05.12 | heviarti | xand: one has a dying root disk, the other is in storage.... it's to big to run in my house. |
| 10:05.28 | Gnea | xand: he's running slackware, and he's not smart enough to get the source from his debian system and then transfer it to the slackware box |
| 10:05.31 | xand | we have given you the debian answer, so that's all you get |
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| 10:05.42 | znh | Hello, |
| 10:05.54 | heviarti | and that's why i quit using debian.... |
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| 10:06.01 | Gnea | good |
| 10:06.01 | znh | What package provides xlock? (debian testing) |
| 10:06.03 | xand | tard |
| 10:06.13 | Gnea | lol |
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| 10:06.41 | znh | dpkg, tell me about xlock |
| 10:07.10 | Gnea | znh: xbase-clients |
| 10:07.14 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.14 | znh | Gnea, thanks |
| 10:07.32 | Gnea | dpkg -S `which xclock` |
| 10:07.32 | dpkg | You Fool! `which xclock` is installed! |
| 10:07.32 | znh | Gnea, it's already installed |
| 10:07.40 | Gnea | LMFAO |
| 10:07.47 | znh | dpkg -S 'which xlock' |
| 10:07.47 | dpkg | Dingos ate my 'which xlock'! |
| 10:07.52 | cydork | heh |
| 10:08.04 | Gnea | oh oh |
| 10:08.05 | Gnea | my bad |
| 10:08.17 | Gnea | xlockmore or xlockmore-gl |
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| 10:08.35 | znh | Gnea, has no installation canididate |
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| 10:08.50 | Scytale | hi... how can i start a daemon in the boot, but this daemon needs to be started by an user, no root... |
| 10:08.56 | Scytale | anyideas? |
| 10:08.58 | Gnea | znh: apt-cache search xlock <-- any results? |
| 10:09.19 | Gnea | Scytale: have it transfer ownership to the user at runtime |
| 10:09.33 | znh | Gnea, negative |
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| 10:09.50 | Gnea | znh: hrm, they may have pulled it.... |
| 10:09.53 | znh | Gnea, http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xlockmore <- |
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| 10:10.36 | suppaman | how can I set visual bell as default for xterm ? |
| 10:10.51 | suppaman | I mean what is the right file for such an option |
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| 10:11.19 | znh | Gnea, perhaps I should install xlockmore from stable? |
| 10:11.20 | Scytale | Gnea... but how? i don't know how to add some app to init |
| 10:11.39 | Gnea | znh: yeah... you'd need to consult with the people doing the work on testing in order to get an inclusion for xlockmore in sooner |
| 10:11.51 | sanjay | hi .. how can i boot the debian cd in a apple g3? |
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| 10:12.31 | capiira | hi anyone know where gnome saves what icon a type of file use? i want to assign a new icon to *.swf files |
| 10:12.33 | Gnea | !tell sanjay about ppc |
| 10:12.52 | suppaman | sanjay: I used to put the cd into the drive and press C at boot |
| 10:13.09 | Gnea | Scytale: well you'd need to make an initscript based off of /etc/init.d/skeleton and then add it to the bootup routine with update-rc.d |
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| 10:13.38 | Gnea | capiira: #gnome |
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| 10:13.47 | capiira | oky thx |
| 10:14.05 | Scytale | Gena tx ;) |
| 10:14.15 | Gnea | sanjay: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 10:14.15 | Scytale | Gnea :P |
| 10:14.22 | Gnea | errr |
| 10:14.31 | Gnea | Scytale: lol |
| 10:14.33 | sanjay | yes... |
| 10:14.38 | sanjay | it worked |
| 10:14.40 | sanjay | thanks |
| 10:14.41 | Gnea | sanjay: well there ya go then :) |
| 10:15.05 | liable | Gena! |
| 10:15.10 | Sepero | Question: How do I add ssh to inet? I tried "update-inetd --enable ssh" (and sshd) and it doesn't seem to work. |
| 10:15.17 | liable | Gnea: r u a girl? |
| 10:15.20 | Gnea | Sepero: you don't. |
| 10:15.24 | Gnea | liable: no. |
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| 10:16.02 | liable | boring response.. |
| 10:16.25 | Gnea | Sepero: sshd runs only in daemon mode, nothing else. |
| 10:17.21 | Sepero | Shouldn't inet should start sshd when it is called? I need to add it to /etc/inet.conf |
| 10:17.29 | znh | Gnea, yes it has been removed from testing (a few months ago). I'll build the source from their homepage myself and see what it does |
| 10:17.56 | liable | Sepero: sshd doesnt have an option to be started by inetd iirc |
| 10:18.08 | petemc | thats not very nice |
| 10:18.34 | Gnea | not my fault. |
| 10:18.41 | xand | Sepero: why are you trying to control ssh using inetd? |
| 10:19.14 | Sepero | I thought ssh controlled all remote things, ftp, telnet, etc. |
| 10:19.14 | Gnea | it wasn't very nice that i explained the entire reason and was promptly brushed aside. |
| 10:19.20 | xand | what? |
| 10:19.33 | Sepero | not ssh . inetd |
| 10:19.52 | xand | no it does not |
| 10:21.30 | liable | what else can read .xls other than oo? |
| 10:21.36 | xand | excel! |
| 10:21.37 | petemc | gnumeric? |
| 10:21.39 | xand | gnumeric |
| 10:21.43 | liable | ta |
| 10:21.43 | znh | Since Debian testing lacks the xlockmore package, are there any alternatives available? Please let me know. |
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| 10:22.33 | cydork | znh: xscreesaver is there. |
| 10:22.48 | cydork | s/xscreesaver/xscreensaver/ |
| 10:23.10 | liable | err, gnumeric is part of oo.. |
| 10:23.10 | znh | cydork, Ok, but can it do locking on demand? |
| 10:23.16 | Sepero | So how do I have sshd start with my system? Just use update-rc.d? |
| 10:23.31 | cydork | znh: yes IIRC |
| 10:23.52 | liable | ignore me |
| 10:24.08 | petemc | Sepero: the default is it starts on boot |
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| 10:24.39 | znh | cydork, I have no clue how to do that |
| 10:24.39 | Sepero | petemc: Ah, I see. Mines not running for some reason. |
| 10:24.53 | petemc | Sepero: you installed it? |
| 10:25.12 | Sepero | Yes. I just ran /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 10:25.21 | Sepero | It started up. |
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| 10:25.43 | znh | cydork, xtrlock seems to be a alternative |
| 10:26.23 | Sepero | Hmmmm, I can't seem to login. $ ssh localhost |
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| 10:27.11 | Sepero | # ps aux | grep ssh |
| 10:27.11 | Sepero | root 2697 0.0 0.1 4920 340 ? Ss Feb12 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 10:28.08 | petemc | Sepero: you should take some time to figure out whats going on yourself, rather than thinking out loud on irc |
| 10:28.08 | Sepero | petemc: I think I was wrong. I think it was already running. The proccess number is too low. |
| 10:28.17 | cydork | znh: yep, but never tried it. |
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| 10:28.29 | vigneswari | hai all |
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| 10:30.26 | vigneswari | i am having a xml document. how to create a deb package for that |
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| 10:31.51 | queuetue | Hi. I've got a system that every time I reboot it, /dev/null 's permissions are set to "crw-rw---- 1 root root" ... This makes a surprisingly large number of commands fail, so I have to chmod it to a+rw - can anyone explain why this is happening? (debian etch install running under xen) |
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| 10:32.35 | znh | queuetue, lots of applications forward their output to /dev/null for quiet purposes. That explains the majority if applications using it |
| 10:33.04 | queuetue | znh, No, i mean why are the permissions reset to be restrictive at reboot. :) |
| 10:33.09 | Sepero | queuetue: It is likely a problem with udev |
| 10:33.14 | znh | queuetue, sorry but I cannot answer that |
| 10:35.25 | liable | i would be asking #xen |
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| 10:36.21 | liable | all this vitualisation makes debugging quite difficult.. |
| 10:36.45 | liable | thankfully some people actually mention they are running virtual syatems |
| 10:38.33 | User_FriendlY | is someone here using HPLIP system of Debian Unstable? |
| 10:38.44 | liable | !ask |
| 10:38.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 10:38.58 | User_FriendlY | X_X |
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| 10:40.44 | Menphizexor | hello |
| 10:40.49 | Gnea | User_FriendlY: yes. |
| 10:41.02 | Gnea | User_FriendlY: just ask your question |
| 10:41.15 | User_FriendlY | ookey i have a problem with the tool hp-toolbox from the HPLIP package. when i try to run hp-toolbox it segfaluts, Debian Unsgable with leatest updates :) |
| 10:41.32 | Gnea | User_FriendlY: so? |
| 10:42.09 | Gnea | User_FriendlY: how did you set everything up in the first place? |
| 10:42.10 | User_FriendlY | hp-toolbox treminates with segfalut :) |
| 10:42.11 | Sepero | Instructions on how to add ssh to inetd. Thanks Gnea... http://erdelynet.com/archive/ssh-l/2003-05/1589.html |
| 10:42.14 | liable | thats sid |
| 10:42.17 | User_FriendlY | by setting up you mean installin HPLIP package? |
| 10:42.54 | liable | User_FriendlY: checking bts first is a great start, then filing is a good option |
| 10:43.08 | User_FriendlY | bts? |
| 10:43.44 | Gnea | User_FriendlY: i read you the first time. :) hp-toolbox is only one command from the hplip package... you need to have a transport layer setup, such as cups, to handle the rest of the system |
| 10:43.45 | liable | User_FriendlY: why do you run sid without even knowing what bts is? |
| 10:43.56 | Gnea | if cups isn't configured right, then hp-toolbox will likely fail |
| 10:43.57 | Gnea | !bts |
| 10:43.58 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 10:44.22 | Gnea | User_FriendlY: you should check out /usr/share/doc/hplip* |
| 10:44.30 | User_FriendlY | hmm.... nope |
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| 10:44.40 | liable | i doubt docs will help with a segfault... |
| 10:44.56 | User_FriendlY | but i looked in hp-toolbox and found the segfault comes from a line trying to import a module :) |
| 10:45.05 | liable | even the most retarded apps wont segfault if the user fucks it completely.. |
| 10:45.19 | User_FriendlY | i print documents but i cant use hp-toolbox |
| 10:45.32 | liable | !segfault |
| 10:45.32 | dpkg | somebody said segfault was Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 10:45.36 | Thms | !moo |
| 10:45.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 10:45.36 | User_FriendlY | if i remember correct hp-toolbox configures the printer settings... |
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| 10:46.15 | Gnea | User_FriendlY: no, it only acts as a front-end to the printing system once it's setup |
| 10:46.25 | rpc | moo. |
| 10:47.10 | User_FriendlY | Gnea: ok thanks for the info :) |
| 10:47.29 | liable | check the bts for gawds sake |
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| 10:51.59 | posterdati | hi |
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| 10:52.52 | liable | hola |
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| 10:55.00 | znh | Hmm.. I'd like to start apache manualy instead of the default automatic startup. Is that possible? |
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| 10:56.16 | liable | znh: sure, dpkg-reconfigure apache.. chose for it not to start automatically.. |
| 10:56.28 | znh | liable, sweet! *hug* |
| 10:57.05 | liable | !aww |
| 10:57.05 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 10:57.20 | liable | :) |
| 10:57.34 | znh | :'} |
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| 11:00.43 | concept10 | what do you guys use to watch real video launched from the web (javascript links) |
| 11:01.04 | liable | mplayer or vlc |
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| 11:01.24 | liable | i think.. cant recall actually watching a real |
| 11:01.38 | liable | concept10: link? |
| 11:01.42 | concept10 | I cant catch the links with anything but totem |
| 11:01.55 | liable | better be small, cause im on dialup.. :( |
| 11:02.11 | concept10 | liable, http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=9&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=30 |
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| 11:03.26 | concept10 | this mime issue in linux needs to be fixed |
| 11:03.42 | liable | concept10: hrm, it want to lauch xine here too |
| 11:04.30 | liable | i have too many players installed.. |
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| 11:04.39 | liable | which shits me to tears |
| 11:04.54 | zee191 | hey infernix how about suck my fucking balls |
| 11:05.20 | zee191 | and taste my kaka |
| 11:05.21 | liable | !ops zee191 seems to be trolling infernix again |
| 11:05.22 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: liable complains about: zee191 seems to be trolling infernix again |
| 11:05.30 | zee191 | looser stupid piece of shit |
| 11:05.34 | liable | concept10: xine plays it |
| 11:05.43 | concept10 | liable, with sound? |
| 11:05.46 | zee191 | i will fucking kill u and your degenerated monkey family too |
| 11:05.50 | liable | concept10: sure |
| 11:06.10 | zee191 | fucking cocksucker pusy asshole |
| 11:06.19 | Gnea | zeebrothers.net, eh? |
| 11:06.19 | zee191 | not again he deserves it |
| 11:06.31 | Gnea | !troll zee191 |
| 11:06.35 | zee191 | infernix molesting childrens |
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| 11:06.49 | liable | zee191: why dont you actually use your real ip instead of trolling via cgi links, you pussy troller |
| 11:06.50 | Gnea | !ops no really, zee191 is trolling |
| 11:06.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: gnea complains about: no really, zee191 is trolling |
| 11:07.05 | Grub_now | zee191: you're screwed |
| 11:07.08 | zee191 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.14 | zee191 | grub fuckoff |
| 11:07.21 | zee191 | not your business |
| 11:07.37 | liable | zee191: we dont care, just leave #debian |
| 11:07.38 | zee191 | sup biatches can't kick me? |
| 11:07.51 | Gnea | zee191: did infernix drop your diaper in a puddle? |
| 11:07.56 | zee191 | is there a problem with your fucking bot or what |
| 11:07.58 | zee191 | :D |
| 11:08.04 | liable | Bhaal: mind a kline please? |
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| 11:08.27 | zee191 | omg gnea go and wank off in your room as u always do |
| 11:08.35 | zee191 | to your mother's picture |
| 11:08.38 | zee191 | loser fuck |
| 11:08.38 | Bhaal | liable: Who? |
| 11:08.39 | liable | RichiH: ping |
| 11:08.39 | zee191 | :D |
| 11:08.46 | liable | Bhaal: zee191 |
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| 11:09.02 | zee191 | yeah kick me idiots |
| 11:09.04 | User_FriendlY | /mgs dpkg info |
| 11:09.05 | Gnea | zee191: no need, i'll just pay your mother again |
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| 11:09.09 | User_FriendlY | whhops! |
| 11:09.25 | Bhaal | Was just about to do that |
| 11:10.23 | BearPerson | good peer. |
| 11:10.37 | Gnea | peer was actually good for once |
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| 11:14.34 | streuner | Bhaal: you surely know, he's using a 'cgi-web' interface.... |
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| 11:14.50 | Gnea | liable: interesting... zee191 is a randomly-generated irc nick |
| 11:15.06 | cydork | tards. |
| 11:15.13 | liable | Gnea: why do you say that? |
| 11:15.22 | Gnea | liable: visit the site and see for yourself |
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| 11:15.36 | liable | Gnea: i am lazy :P |
| 11:15.44 | Kapuche | hi ! |
| 11:15.50 | Gnea | liable: it's a bzflag clan page with a web-based irc gateway |
| 11:16.04 | liable | Gnea: there was another troll for infernix recently from a cgi link, |
| 11:16.05 | Gnea | it'll drop anyone directly into whatever channel they want |
| 11:16.30 | Gnea | liable: be sure to pay attention to the specific cgi link... |
| 11:16.31 | liable | different gateway though iirc |
| 11:16.52 | Gnea | all you need is the domain after the cgi-irc/ |
| 11:17.01 | liable | Gnea: dude, my brain has enough shit to worry about than remebering cgi links :P |
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| 11:17.19 | Gnea | liable: then just complain to the admin of that site lol |
| 11:17.45 | BearPerson | Gnea, note that there's his real IP encoded in hex in the ident |
| 11:17.45 | liable | Gnea: whats the point, he can do it from whatever site he wants.. |
| 11:18.04 | Gnea | BearPerson: hrm hrm hrm |
| 11:18.14 | liable | BearPerson: no way to ban it? |
| 11:18.20 | Gnea | liable: roger that :) |
| 11:18.21 | BearPerson | so banning *!?=3e4de48a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/* should take him out pretty much from anywhere |
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| 11:18.48 | liable | BearPerson: he got banned here a few days ago.. |
| 11:19.03 | Gnea | if you want to get site-specific, *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/<domain>/* |
| 11:19.03 | hark | heh, so another infernix fan ;) |
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| 11:19.27 | BearPerson | (1171538337 11:18) -!- 46 - #debian: ban *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-e9f0f2ffe3515582 [by mentor!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor, 3969741 secs ago] |
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| 11:19.44 | BearPerson | yes, that ban doesn't make that much of sense when you think about it ;) |
| 11:19.50 | BearPerson | (the x-blah string is a session cookie) |
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| 11:20.08 | niru | from where can I get free jre package |
| 11:20.09 | liable | hark: or another mud slinger, who knows, its hard to not think of infernix as a child molesterer after hearing that, but for all we know, its his ex missus.. |
| 11:20.25 | niru | I mean the jre package that became opensource |
| 11:20.30 | niru | any idea liable |
| 11:21.02 | liable | niru: what debian version? |
| 11:21.10 | niru | etch |
| 11:21.30 | cydork | niru: sid has sun-java6-jre .. |
| 11:21.32 | liable | niru: its available for etch |
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| 11:21.55 | liable | !tell pascutti|off about away |
| 11:22.12 | niru | liable:its written its non-free |
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| 11:22.26 | liable | niru: eh? |
| 11:22.29 | niru | liable:actually I want to add that to installable c |
| 11:22.32 | niru | liable:actually I want to add that to installable cd |
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| 11:22.46 | liable | its in the non-free repo, yes |
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| 11:23.22 | niru | liable:since its non-free I cannot add that to my installable cd and distribute |
| 11:23.34 | liable | niru: cry me a river :P |
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| 11:23.38 | asdzxc | hi |
| 11:23.38 | niru | liable:how can I proceed |
| 11:23.52 | asdzxc | how can i send a bug report to Debian Etch PHP5 package ? |
| 11:24.03 | cydork | niru: you can get one from sid and backport it. |
| 11:24.08 | liable | niru: i dont know, i dont really get into the nitty gritty of lagalise |
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| 11:24.33 | hark | asdzxc: /msg dpkg reportbug |
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| 11:24.42 | ivl | could someone give a hint where to dig if I get this message at kernel boot: VFS: Cannot open root device "<NULL>" or unknown block(104,7) mean? |
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| 11:24.52 | niru | cydork:can i add that to cd and distribue |
| 11:24.56 | hark | asdzxc: or http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 11:24.56 | niru | cydork:can i add that to cd and distribute |
| 11:24.57 | r4ng3r | hi, i ve a little question. i m using courier-imap server. Now i want to create a imap subfolder called old mails. what have i to do ? |
| 11:25.09 | liable | ivl: is this a virtual system? |
| 11:25.18 | ivl | liable: qemu |
| 11:25.26 | liable | ivl: try #qemu |
| 11:25.30 | cydork | niru: yes. |
| 11:25.51 | niru | cydork:sid=unstable |
| 11:25.58 | niru | or sid=testing |
| 11:26.07 | liable | fucking virtual shit will make life in #debian impossible in the next year or so |
| 11:26.22 | cydork | niru: hmm you have to check the licence of that too .. |
| 11:26.33 | niru | cydork:but its written non-free in front of that |
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| 11:27.40 | cydork | niru: hmm then check with debian-legal. /msg dpkg debian-legal |
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| 11:29.19 | r4ng3r | can somebody help me ? |
| 11:29.33 | Gnea | r4ng3r: with? |
| 11:29.49 | r4ng3r | hi, i ve a little question. i m using courier-imap server. Now i want to create a imap subfolder called old mails. what have i to do ? |
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| 11:30.10 | r4ng3r | im using not the mbox format |
| 11:30.25 | xand | use your email client to create it |
| 11:30.28 | petemc | r4ng3r: use a mail client to create the folder, or mkdir |
| 11:30.29 | Gnea | dunno, i don't use courier, but if i did, i'd probably hit up the courier website and read the documentation and faq |
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| 11:30.53 | asdzxc | hark where can i find some kind of a package creation script to recreate a debian official package ? something like slackbuild scrit from Slackware |
| 11:31.33 | liable | !nmg |
| 11:31.33 | dpkg | it has been said that nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
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| 11:32.27 | tenzin_ | hi .. if i want a command to run everytime i boot my computer ... where shoud i place it? |
| 11:32.37 | niru | cydork:/msg dpkg debian-legal |
| 11:32.40 | liable | asdzxc: you cant just create 'official' debian packages, otherwise any l337 h4x0r would be making great kernel packages for us |
| 11:32.57 | niru | !dpkg debian-legal |
| 11:33.13 | liable | !tell niru about selftell |
| 11:33.20 | cydork | !tell niru -about debian-legal |
| 11:33.56 | hark | asdzxc: you can apt-get the source and debuild it, if that's what you want |
| 11:34.05 | asdzxc | liable with 'official package' i meant a package which will be just like the official one |
| 11:34.13 | liable | asdzxc: if you just want to build a source, look at dpkg-buildpkg |
| 11:34.30 | asdzxc | ok |
| 11:34.36 | pingouin | how to avoid to download a dependent package when i apt-get install «one package» ? |
| 11:34.39 | asdzxc | hark liable thnx |
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| 11:34.56 | romanosGR | hi everyone |
| 11:34.56 | asdzxc | have a nice day |
| 11:35.17 | liable | pingouin: from packages.debian.org |
| 11:35.18 | romanosGR | i'm installing debian 3.1 but it can't find my network adapter :( |
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| 11:35.37 | hark | which one is it? |
| 11:35.39 | romanosGR | i have an intel pro 100 |
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| 11:35.43 | liable | romanosGR: then the kernel is prolly too old. try the etch installer |
| 11:35.50 | romanosGR | what? |
| 11:35.52 | liable | romanosGR: ethernet? |
| 11:35.55 | romanosGR | what is that? |
| 11:35.56 | hark | did you try linux26? |
| 11:36.13 | romanosGR | i'm sorrt guys i have no idea |
| 11:36.16 | fluxdude | could somebody remind me of the command to manage debian runlevels? |
| 11:36.22 | liable | e100 has been there since noah made the ark |
| 11:36.24 | hatter | intel pro 100 should work with 2.4 even |
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| 11:36.25 | cydork | fluxdude: update-rc.d |
| 11:36.36 | hatter | as liable said |
| 11:36.43 | liable | !tell fluxdude about services |
| 11:36.47 | romanosGR | what is etch installer? |
| 11:36.59 | xand | it's the installer for etch |
| 11:37.04 | Gnea | !etch |
| 11:37.04 | dpkg | it has been said that etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 11:37.10 | jelly-home | romanosGR: driver is called either eepro100 or e100 |
| 11:37.18 | romanosGR | i have pro |
| 11:37.25 | romanosGR | intel 100 /ve |
| 11:37.38 | liable | e100 is apparently broken in very recent kernels |
| 11:37.51 | romanosGR | omg |
| 11:37.58 | zoghome | anyone know how close RC2 is to coming out |
| 11:38.00 | jelly-home | romanosGR: yes, you said that already. there are two drivers for that card, eepro100 and e100. |
| 11:38.06 | jakob | I'm using a wireless network with WPA, so I don't need the Gnome NetworkManager - how would I go about disabling it? I'm semi-newbie. |
| 11:38.09 | hark | i thought e100 was removed recently.. |
| 11:38.29 | romanosGR | ok anyway, so what i'm i supposed to do now? |
| 11:38.33 | jelly-home | romanosGR: so you can try modprobing each and see if it helps |
| 11:38.43 | romanosGR | didn't work |
| 11:38.54 | romanosGR | failed to load it |
| 11:39.06 | jelly-home | romanosGR: both of them? |
| 11:39.45 | romanosGR | it also asks for linux floppy now |
| 11:39.47 | romanosGR | wtf? |
| 11:39.56 | liable | jakob: remove that particular app, or just disable it |
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| 11:40.49 | jakob | liable: So apt-get remove, and if so, both daemon and frontend? And how do I clean up stray dependencies? |
| 11:41.03 | liable | romanosGR: what distro are you installing? |
| 11:41.08 | romanosGR | 3.1 |
| 11:41.32 | liable | romanosGR: erm, i have never heard of a debian installer asking for a floppy |
| 11:41.50 | liable | for a network driver.. |
| 11:41.53 | romanosGR | says to load my network driver |
| 11:41.54 | jakob | liable: It does if you try installing from floppy. Root floppy, driver floppies etc. |
| 11:41.57 | romanosGR | from a floppy |
| 11:42.12 | romanosGR | cause it's not in there |
| 11:42.16 | romanosGR | this is ridiculous |
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| 11:42.35 | romanosGR | in all other distos it just worked with no issues at all |
| 11:42.53 | liable | jakob: no idea, i have gnome and dont have the network thingo, just remove it |
| 11:43.12 | pingouin | liable: ok, but..my english is so bad ? ;) i meant, how can i mark a paquage «hold» to not download it when i apt-get install «another package» ? |
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| 11:43.22 | jakob | liable: did that, world didn't seem to end. Thank you. :) |
| 11:43.38 | liable | pingouin: ?? when did i answer you? |
| 11:43.49 | romanosGR | any other ideas guys> |
| 11:43.50 | romanosGR | ? |
| 11:43.52 | balor | Does anyone know how to Approve a project in Savane? |
| 11:43.58 | romanosGR | i really wanna give deb a try |
| 11:43.58 | petemc | romanosGR: try the etch installer |
| 11:44.09 | pingouin | [12:35] < liable>: pingouin: from packages.debian.org |
| 11:44.28 | pingouin | but i guess it a mistake , nevermind |
| 11:44.31 | romanosGR | what is the etch installer? do i have to download it? |
| 11:44.34 | petemc | yes |
| 11:44.36 | liable | pingouin: /msg dpkg hold |
| 11:44.46 | liable | pingouin: sorry, my buffer is small :) |
| 11:44.46 | romanosGR | how will that run on my system though? |
| 11:45.11 | hatter | romanosGR: are you asking real questions ? |
| 11:45.26 | romanosGR | lol |
| 11:45.26 | pingouin | liable: np, but sorry but, /msg dpkg «something» never worked for me |
| 11:45.36 | hatter | romanosGR: did you say earlier you have used plenty of other distros ? |
| 11:45.40 | liable | !tell pingouin about hold |
| 11:45.43 | romanosGR | yeah |
| 11:45.55 | pingouin | liable: thanks, perfect ;) |
| 11:46.00 | romanosGR | fedora and suse actually |
| 11:46.13 | romanosGR | worked great and suse even find my wireless |
| 11:46.16 | snail | romanosGR used them as frisbies or as operating systems? |
| 11:46.28 | romanosGR | douchebag |
| 11:46.35 | petemc | easy tiger |
| 11:46.50 | hatter | romanosGR: The nic you are talking about is common, and has been around for ages, you should be more direct with your problem |
| 11:47.02 | liable | pingouin: aptitude makes life easy, if start using it, you wont look back (hint: you can use it like apt-get from the cli, the gui sucks a fair bit) |
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| 11:47.46 | liable | romanosGR: i think you would like ubuntu, give it a try douchebag |
| 11:48.07 | romanosGR | i can't be more direct than that.. we were all newbies at some first stage, i'm asking what the etch installer is and how do i configure it and i don't get any plain answers |
| 11:48.22 | petemc | romanosGR: google for "debian etch install" |
| 11:48.34 | hatter | romanosGR: etch is the new debian. soon to be released. Debian 4.0. If you want you have to download it. |
| 11:48.46 | snail | romanosGR: etch is a variant of debian. the etch installer installs etch |
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| 11:48.59 | petemc | not sure variant is the right word... |
| 11:49.01 | cydork | variant of debian?? |
| 11:49.06 | liable | romanosGR: #debian isnt a newbies install guide, theres a shitload of html pages out there about it. go read |
| 11:49.14 | snail | release is a better word |
| 11:49.49 | petemc | i like quincunx |
| 11:49.57 | liable | romanosGR: if you have real problems related to a debian install, then we will help, if you want us to hold your hand during it, then your in the wrong place |
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| 11:50.28 | romanosGR | lol |
| 11:50.36 | romanosGR | true, im sorry |
| 11:50.44 | cydork | petemc: ohh i never knew that word :P |
| 11:50.51 | petemc | :) |
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| 11:51.45 | hatter | can someone tell me why i still get spam addressed to email addresses that haven't existed for... like... 8 years ? |
| 11:52.03 | romanosGR | btw, i'm downloading etc now , the net installation thingo.. do i just have to boot from it and then it will prompt me to insert the dvd 3.1 that i was downloading al day long? |
| 11:52.28 | romanosGR | sorry for being a pain guys |
| 11:52.30 | petemc | no |
| 11:52.40 | hatter | romanosGR: if you get the etch net install program you just need one disk, which is bootable, which will get the rest from the net |
| 11:52.48 | romanosGR | ok cool |
| 11:52.49 | hatter | 120Mb or so |
| 11:52.58 | romanosGR | cool |
| 11:53.00 | hatter | works great |
| 11:54.04 | pngwn | romanosGR, this stuff does come with documentation debian.org/doc there's an installation manual and the reference is good too |
| 11:54.24 | romanosGR | just to lazy to read it right now |
| 11:54.33 | pngwn | plonk |
| 11:54.35 | romanosGR | too* |
| 11:54.39 | romanosGR | :P |
| 11:54.41 | hatter | and everyone in here are users like yourself, who have read lots |
| 11:55.51 | romanosGR | i'm reading the manual now :P |
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| 11:58.01 | hatter | someone know what the standard tape device is known as in debian ? |
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| 11:58.46 | liable | wheres karsten when you need him |
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| 11:59.32 | liable | hatter: google 'linux backup' |
| 12:00.22 | liable | fifth link |
| 12:00.59 | cydork | wasn't it "st" or something.. |
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| 12:02.24 | liable | nst0 |
| 12:02.29 | hatter | nope |
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| 12:02.39 | hatter | st0.. nope |
| 12:02.47 | liable | dmesg |
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| 12:05.50 | liable | dpkg: you slack tart! |
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| 12:17.25 | RvGaTe | Hello, i have a problem with my samba installation... It did not create a smbpasswd file, and stuff added with smbpasswd -a username doesn't create a new one, if i manually create it stuff doesn't get added to it. So somehow a different smbpasswd file is used, or not using any at all... How can i fix this so it would use the /etc/samba/smbpasswd to store usernames/passwords for samba? |
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| 12:18.35 | nivanson | What package should I install if wmix say: error: cannot open mixer device /dev/mixer, ? |
| 12:19.17 | streuner | nivanson: udev? |
| 12:19.34 | nivanson | streuner: Probably, yeah. Im on sid |
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| 12:19.38 | streuner | nivanson: what does 'ls -l /dev/mixer' say? |
| 12:19.41 | liable | or load snd-pcm-oss |
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| 12:20.06 | scv | that's the alsa oss emulation |
| 12:20.11 | yangsx | I just installed debian testing on Dell Inspiron 640m-n with the testing weekly built ISO, all's well except I cannot make ipw3945 wireless card work correctly |
| 12:20.25 | nivanson | streuner: No such file or directory. |
| 12:20.27 | yangsx | I've already installed the ipw3945 packages |
| 12:20.33 | liable | scv: yes, and? |
| 12:20.44 | scv | nothing |
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| 12:21.02 | liable | yangsx: have you got ethernet? |
| 12:21.15 | RvGaTe | anyone? |
| 12:21.16 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 12:21.17 | streuner | knusper:/backupdeb# lsusb | grep snd-pcm-oss |
| 12:21.19 | yangsx | liable: the ethernet works well |
| 12:21.50 | liable | yangsx: what kernel do you have? |
| 12:21.54 | streuner | s/lsusb/lsmod/ |
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| 12:22.12 | yangsx | liable: I use 2.8.16-4 amd64 |
| 12:22.14 | streuner | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 0 2007-02-15 10:15 /dev/mixer |
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| 12:22.42 | liable | yangsx: eek, where you asking about this a fewdays ago? |
| 12:23.07 | gnyffel | What package do I need to download to get the 'dpkg-reconfigre' command? |
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| 12:23.16 | streuner | none |
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| 12:23.27 | streuner | dpkg-reconfigure is part of debian, of course |
| 12:23.35 | liable | yangsx: apt-cache search ip3945 and install the modules for your kernel |
| 12:23.41 | nivanson | streuner: modprobe snd-pcm-oss fixed it. =) |
| 12:23.45 | gnyffel | Agh, nevermind |
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| 12:23.51 | liable | ipw3945* |
| 12:23.52 | yangsx | liable: I've already installed those modules |
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| 12:24.30 | streuner | gnyffel: debconf (package) should be installed on your system |
| 12:24.43 | azeem | he left |
| 12:24.52 | liable | yangsx: and the daemon is running? |
| 12:25.02 | streuner | i already saw that too, well its a bad habit |
| 12:25.04 | yangsx | liable: including firmware, ipw3945d, source, and kernel modules |
| 12:25.20 | liable | yangsx: the card shows in iwconfig or ifconfig -a? |
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| 12:25.26 | yangsx | liable: yes |
| 12:25.37 | liable | yangsx: so whats the problem then? |
| 12:25.57 | yangsx | Iiable: I cannot connect to the wireless router |
| 12:26.32 | RvGaTe | why is my question being ignored? :P |
| 12:26.53 | yangsx | liable: if I unplug the ethernet card connection, ping to the router gives unreachable network error |
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| 12:28.10 | yangsx | I'm wondering if anyone can give me their /etc/network/interfaces file for me to compare |
| 12:28.28 | yangsx | my wireless router has WEP encryption enabled |
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| 12:32.33 | RvGaTe | Hello, i have a problem with my samba installation... It did not create a smbpasswd file, and stuff added with smbpasswd -a username doesn't create a new one, if i manually create it stuff doesn't get added to it. So somehow a different smbpasswd file is used, or not using any at all... How can i fix this so it would use the /etc/samba/smbpasswd to store usernames/passwords for samba? (sorry for repeat, looks like it has been ignored :P) |
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| 12:33.17 | MatBoy | RvGaTe, there are also other nice channels :P |
| 12:33.44 | RvGaTe | MatBoy: im guessing #samba ? :) |
| 12:33.53 | MatBoy | no an |
| 12:33.55 | MatBoy | man |
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| 12:36.00 | MatBoy | RvGaTe, have you checked the log while logging in ? |
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| 12:36.07 | MatBoy | I thought i had this once also |
| 12:36.14 | MatBoy | one year ago |
| 12:37.17 | RvGaTe | MatBoy: you should remember things like that :P |
| 12:37.33 | MatBoy | RvGaTe, yeah, it was a lot of playing |
| 12:38.02 | MatBoy | samba is not always that easy to untderstand |
| 12:38.05 | MatBoy | understand |
| 12:38.25 | RvGaTe | MatBoy: agreed... |
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| 12:51.27 | vigneswari | hello all |
| 12:53.02 | vigneswari | i am working in lnux. i want create a deb package for a document.how can i/ |
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| 12:54.39 | znh | vigneswari, err, could you please say that again? |
| 12:55.00 | petemc | he wants to package a document.. |
| 12:55.20 | capiira | im also looking for a way to install apps from tarballs but i want to have the possibility to 100% uninstall it. |
| 12:55.32 | capiira | deb the only solution ? |
| 12:55.50 | znh | yeah or create your own kind of packaging system |
| 12:55.55 | cydork | capiira: well there is stow too. |
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| 12:56.12 | azeem | vigneswari: what kind of document? |
| 12:56.29 | capiira | i simply want always to have the newest php,eclipse,java,xara and few other apps |
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| 12:58.34 | iuso | hi, is there a xen kernel available with em64t and 4+ gig mem support? |
| 12:58.36 | capiira | is there no tool that auto creates deb files from tarballs ? |
| 12:58.39 | iuso | for debian etch |
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| 12:59.01 | crm___ | hi hi |
| 12:59.05 | capiira | hi |
| 12:59.13 | crm___ | anyone used elive distro? |
| 12:59.34 | capiira | >>>>> #debian :) |
| 12:59.47 | crm___ | elive is based on debian |
| 12:59.55 | crm___ | -)) |
| 12:59.57 | cydork | !based on debian |
| 12:59.57 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 13:00.01 | capiira | #debian != #alive |
| 13:00.53 | crm___ | i like debian |
| 13:01.04 | crm___ | why do you make me choose |
| 13:01.09 | ofer1 | capiira, just don't "make install" |
| 13:01.10 | petemc | you made the decision |
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| 13:01.27 | ofer1 | capiira, if you don't make install, you can delete the directory after you finish with the program |
| 13:01.34 | petemc | crm___: its simply that if you want support in this channel, you need to be running debian |
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| 13:02.02 | ofer1 | not because we're bad or something |
| 13:02.06 | ofer1 | we just can't help you |
| 13:02.40 | capiira | oferl yeah but i would like to let some installer add the app to gnome menu or register files and assign the apps to file extensions etc. |
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| 13:03.18 | capiira | not just start the binaries |
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| 13:03.21 | petemc | capiira: there is no magic application that does what you need, thats why debian has a 1000 skilled developers |
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| 13:03.35 | capiira | :) |
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| 13:03.55 | vigneswari | azeem: we r developing an os, we r having gnome desktop environment. document regarding our os we want to add in yelp package |
| 13:04.02 | capiira | then i must learn to create deb packages |
| 13:04.12 | gleng | capiira: Have you had a look at checkinstall? It makes building debs pretty easy. |
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| 13:04.37 | x_link | baah |
| 13:04.44 | x_link | It's not possible to install Debian Etch anymore ? |
| 13:04.55 | x_link | I messed up something yesterday, and today I can't re-install it |
| 13:05.03 | x_link | A friend has the same problem. Can't install Debian Etch |
| 13:05.11 | azeem | vigneswari: is that OS Debian related? |
| 13:05.12 | capiira | let me search for infos gleng |
| 13:05.16 | azeem | x_link: what problem? |
| 13:05.22 | vigneswari | znh: i know how to create a deb package. but i dont know where and how to add documentation for that appln. |
| 13:05.24 | azeem | x_link: you might need to use the daily install CD |
| 13:05.36 | azeem | vigneswari: look into scrollkeeper |
| 13:05.42 | vigneswari | azeem: yes |
| 13:06.14 | x_link | azeem: Hrmm ok |
| 13:06.20 | x_link | azeem: How can I get that? |
| 13:06.24 | x_link | Cause I'm on Kubuntu right now |
| 13:06.28 | gleng | capiira: You just run checkinstall at the "make install" stage, and it builds you a deb. |
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| 13:06.32 | Dewi | !d-i |
| 13:06.32 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 13:06.52 | Dewi | x_link: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:07.11 | x_link | Dewi: Thanks.. I'm on Kubuntu right now. The live cd. |
| 13:07.21 | x_link | I will try to install it on my hardrive, But I want debian etych badly. |
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| 13:09.14 | azeem | x_link: so install it |
| 13:09.21 | vigneswari | azeem: i saw that one. for that i ve to convert my document to xml(docbook) and i ve to create deb package.for that only i am asking where to add? |
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| 13:09.44 | azeem | vigneswari: where to add what? |
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| 13:10.21 | x_link | azeem: Install Kubuntu? |
| 13:10.38 | x_link | I don't know if I should use Kubuntu instead. |
| 13:10.47 | x_link | Alot of things looks so differently. |
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| 13:11.12 | x_link | But I heard it has newer versions and is a bit faster. I don't know. |
| 13:11.20 | Ronin | x_link: he meant install etch |
| 13:11.35 | x_link | Ronin: Ohh.. I will.. must burn that on a cd first. The installer. |
| 13:11.46 | x_link | Ronin: Is there something wrong with my CD or? |
| 13:11.59 | xavor | if i want to use machine A to view the desktop of machine B, with vnc, to which machine should i install the vncserver and which one the vnclient? |
| 13:12.07 | vigneswari | azeem: if my package name is xxx-1.0 then first i create a folder with that name. inside that folder where i ve to keep my xml file |
| 13:12.09 | Ronin | x_link: havent been paying attention, fact i pretty much just got in after shoveling my way out of the house |
| 13:12.25 | azeem | x_link: you don't seem to have an actual problem, do you? |
| 13:12.26 | x_link | This got messed up yesterday, when I installed the latets nvidia drivers. Everything worked etc. When I wanted to reboot it booted but jsut before the kdm should come up I lost the graphic. |
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| 13:12.31 | cahoot | Ronin: hmm strange logic there |
| 13:12.37 | azeem | x_link: download the daily debian-installer, burn it, install |
| 13:12.44 | x_link | azeem: I will.... |
| 13:12.45 | azeem | x_link: if you face problems along the road, come back |
| 13:12.54 | x_link | azeem: Thanks! =) |
| 13:13.01 | Ronin | cahoot: ya i really didnt want to go to work today and thought seriously about not coming in when i looked outside |
| 13:13.08 | gleng | xavor: Server goes on B :) |
| 13:13.10 | azeem | vigneswari: are you asking how to make a .deb now? |
| 13:13.10 | x_link | azeem: I just get so damn nervous everything something happens to my syte,. |
| 13:13.11 | vigneswari | whether i ve to create some other folder inside xxx-1.0 folder or just put inside xxx-1.0 folder itself |
| 13:13.15 | x_link | system. |
| 13:13.21 | azeem | x_link: why? |
| 13:13.30 | xavor | gleng, thks, you using vnc? |
| 13:14.22 | xavor | heh? |
| 13:14.31 | x_link | azeem: I should pick i386 on that site, right? |
| 13:14.39 | x_link | That's the one I already have. |
| 13:14.41 | azeem | x_link: probably, it depends on your CPU |
| 13:14.52 | x_link | AMD Athlon 64 3200+ |
| 13:14.54 | gleng | xavor: At home, so I can view my OS X desktop on my other machines. |
| 13:15.00 | azeem | x_link: then you can use amd64 as well |
| 13:15.12 | x_link | I heard it's not good, cause it's not done yet? |
| 13:15.26 | azeem | x_link: etch isn't done in general |
| 13:15.27 | vigneswari | azeem: my doubt is, if v r creating deb package for an application, then v create for the script of particular application. |
| 13:15.36 | azeem | i386 and amd64 are both release candidates, no difference |
| 13:15.43 | azeem | vigneswari: "v"? |
| 13:15.47 | xavor | gleng, Realvnc? |
| 13:16.05 | x_link | azeem: Didn't work to download it. |
| 13:16.17 | x_link | Connection to host cdimage.debian.org is broken |
| 13:16.18 | azeem | x_link: didn't work? |
| 13:16.25 | vigneswari | azeem: but i want to create deb package for a documentation alone |
| 13:16.30 | vigneswari | azeem: getting? |
| 13:16.34 | cahoot | x_link: stick to i386 if you want to play media files, flash and such |
| 13:16.52 | x_link | cahoot: I will... |
| 13:16.54 | x_link | azeem: Now it worked. |
| 13:17.04 | x_link | But I'm very curious about this Kubuntu at the same time hehe |
| 13:17.11 | gleng | xavor: I think it's osxvnc on the Mac, and the tightvnc client on the other machines. |
| 13:17.21 | x_link | I will get some computers PROBERLY THIS week. Will install it then instead. |
| 13:17.29 | azeem | vigneswari: yes, but I don't get your problem |
| 13:17.33 | xavor | gleng, got to go and get vnc working. thks again. |
| 13:17.38 | xavor | bye |
| 13:17.44 | gleng | xavor: No probs. :) |
| 13:17.45 | azeem | vigneswari: if you have problems creating .deb packages, you can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 13:18.13 | x_link | Is it okey to ask just one question about Kubuntu here? |
| 13:18.17 | x_link | It's about Kubuntu/debian. |
| 13:18.24 | azeem | no |
| 13:18.33 | x_link | ok |
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| 13:21.08 | Ronin | x_link: there is however #kubuntu |
| 13:21.36 | simonrvn | the world is snowed in. yay! |
| 13:21.43 | Ronin | simonrvn: no kidding |
| 13:21.47 | cahoot | Ronin: where the questions outnumber answers by 100:1 |
| 13:22.38 | simonrvn | dunno if anyone saw just how big that thing is... it's HUGE |
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| 13:22.44 | simonrvn | the boys are having a blast (pardon the pun ;) |
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| 13:25.51 | barbadillo | hi people |
| 13:26.00 | barbadillo | some postfix user? |
| 13:26.29 | barbadillo | i got problems with my smtp |
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| 13:27.31 | Dewi | barbadillo: there is a #postfix on this network |
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| 13:27.42 | barbadillo | ah ok thanks |
| 13:27.51 | Dewi | barbadillo: but people here might also be able to help if you ask |
| 13:28.16 | barbadillo | warning: SASL authentication failure: cannot connect to Courier authdaemond: No such file or directory |
| 13:28.26 | barbadillo | that's the error |
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| 13:29.01 | barbadillo | but but the file exists |
| 13:29.14 | barbadillo | /var/run/courier/authdaemon/socket |
| 13:29.26 | stoned | simonrvn: I was supposed to move |
| 13:29.37 | stoned | I got snow all around me |
| 13:31.03 | Ronin | make up your mind Grub_Now |
| 13:31.22 | Grub_Now | Ronin: had some trouble, sorry |
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| 13:32.20 | ggerman | hello |
| 13:32.40 | ggerman | I need hel about one think |
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| 13:33.24 | muxell | is there a command to change user, say, fr root to non-root, in a shell? |
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| 13:33.39 | petemc | muxell: man su |
| 13:34.01 | muxell | petemc: that's it, eh? thks. |
| 13:35.00 | Ronin | ggerman: best just ask then |
| 13:35.09 | ggerman | well |
| 13:35.48 | ggerman | i need justification about /boot separated |
| 13:37.03 | ggerman | because /boot is necesary created separeted? |
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| 13:38.35 | romanosGR | hello everyone |
| 13:38.54 | romanosGR | could someone tell me how can i download stuff using debian and install them? |
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| 13:39.05 | romanosGR | i want to configure apt-get |
| 13:40.40 | Ronin | romanosGR: sarge or etch? |
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| 13:43.25 | romanosGR | etch |
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| 13:46.05 | hark | romanosGR: configure apt-get? |
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| 13:46.15 | romanosGR | yeah |
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| 13:46.57 | hark | as in sources or... ? |
| 13:47.06 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i would like string during boot to be small fonts like other distro does is it possible ? (vga param doens't help me much) |
| 13:48.05 | knoxy | I use a backports packages.. and I need php5-pear but in my packages list it isn't found.. How can I do to instal php5-pear with apt & backports? |
| 13:48.07 | ggerman | romanosGR : you need configure source.list? |
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| 13:49.28 | hark | MsgToThePpl: debian kernel? |
| 13:49.45 | romanosGR | how do i configure them? |
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| 13:50.29 | hark | romanosGR: look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ |
| 13:50.45 | MsgToThePpl | Hark, yes |
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| 13:50.50 | romanosGR | cool |
| 13:51.04 | hark | romanosGR: or use something like apt-spy or netselect-apt |
| 13:51.30 | ggerman | knoxy: install php-pear |
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| 13:52.47 | ggerman | romanosGR: write in /etc/apt/source.list |
| 13:52.53 | ggerman | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 13:52.53 | romanosGR | which is the mirror that has everything? |
| 13:52.54 | ggerman | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 13:52.57 | ggerman | for example |
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| 13:53.07 | Ronin | romanosGR: they are all basically the same |
| 13:53.07 | ggerman | and late run apt-get update |
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| 13:53.25 | Ronin | romanosGR: normally its best to pick one close to you |
| 13:53.35 | hark | that's sid.. |
| 13:53.37 | ggerman | or netselect-apt too |
| 13:53.44 | hark | !sources.list |
| 13:53.44 | dpkg | hmm... sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 13:53.51 | vk5hsx | \join #linux-au |
| 13:53.52 | hark | !etch security |
| 13:53.53 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch |
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| 13:58.13 | MsgToThePpl | hark, any ideas ? |
| 13:58.55 | romanosGR | i tried netselect-apt and it says command not found???? |
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| 14:00.07 | ggerman | romanosGR : because not instaled in ypur system |
| 14:00.22 | romanosGR | how do i install it/ |
| 14:00.23 | romanosGR | ? |
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| 14:01.15 | ggerman | apt-get install netselect-apt |
| 14:01.21 | romanosGR | cheers |
| 14:01.26 | shay | /dev/hdd on /cdrom type iso9660 (ro,iocharset=utf8) |
| 14:01.31 | shay | oops |
| 14:01.32 | shay | sorry |
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| 14:04.19 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i would like string during boot to be small fonts like other distro does is it possible ? (vga param doens't help me much) |
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| 14:10.55 | romanosGR | can i add other sources as well if i cant find a program in my source? |
| 14:11.06 | romanosGR | i'm just using one source i think.. |
| 14:11.13 | knoxy | I'm using backports repository.. I need php5-pear but in my packages list it isn't found.. How can I do to install php5-pear with apt & backports? |
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| 14:12.05 | frafra | hi all. who use debian on nslu2? |
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| 14:12.50 | azeem | frafra: do you have a specific question? |
| 14:12.53 | wwallace_lap | enouf: hi |
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| 14:13.16 | frafra | azeem, yes, I would know how much eletric power is use :) |
| 14:13.22 | enouf | wwallace_lap: go over to the other channel |
| 14:13.28 | wwallace_lap | no |
| 14:13.38 | azeem | frafra: not sure anbody using it would know |
| 14:13.52 | frafra | :) |
| 14:14.19 | frafra | and... is the default network ethernet card supported by debian etch beta2? |
| 14:14.52 | azeem | frafra: we're close to Etch RC2 now |
| 14:15.07 | azeem | frafra: you could ask that in #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
| 14:15.31 | frafra | excuse me, I would say etch rc2 :) |
| 14:15.34 | frafra | ah, ok, thanks :) |
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| 14:16.36 | romanosGR | how can i see how many programs are on my sources? |
| 14:17.03 | petemc | apt-cache stats |
| 14:17.13 | romanosGR | thnx |
| 14:17.55 | romanosGR | and how to check for a program? |
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| 14:18.11 | petemc | !tell romanosGR about search |
| 14:18.45 | wwallace_lap | romano2k: apt-cache search |
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| 14:20.24 | romanosGR | i'm searching for a package for my wirelles |
| 14:20.27 | romanosGR | ipw3945 |
| 14:20.43 | romanosGR | on my closest mirror source i can't find it |
| 14:20.44 | wwallace_lap | romano2k: apt" is apt-get update && apt-get install apt-howto-en debian-reference-en [-de fr deutsch] read it locally at: Debian-Menu > Help ; read it online: http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto :: for parse error see: !pref |
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| 14:20.50 | romanosGR | can i add additional sources? |
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| 14:21.05 | wwallace_lap | yes romano2k |
| 14:21.13 | romanosGR | how? |
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| 14:21.25 | wwallace_lap | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:22.32 | romanosGR | so how do i now if the source will have the driver that i need? |
| 14:22.45 | wwallace_lap | dunno that one sorry |
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| 14:22.56 | wwallace_lap | what are you looking for? |
| 14:23.08 | ofer1 | !search > ofer1 |
| 14:23.14 | romanosGR | ipw3945 |
| 14:23.15 | muxell | in xvnc4viewer prompt for server, what should be the input? |
| 14:23.18 | romanosGR | wireless |
| 14:23.45 | wwallace_lap | !search > wwallace_lap |
| 14:23.54 | wwallace_lap | hmm |
| 14:24.44 | Azar | romanosGR: why need more sources? |
| 14:24.55 | wwallace_lap | romano2k: Wlan chipset info can be found here: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ an alternative listing is here: http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz and see: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List |
| 14:24.58 | romanosGR | cause i can't find ipw3945 on mine |
| 14:25.05 | Azar | :) |
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| 14:25.09 | hark | romanosGR: add contrib and non-free |
| 14:25.26 | romanosGR | whwere? |
| 14:25.41 | wwallace_lap | sources.list |
| 14:25.43 | hark | romanosGR: /msg dpkg contrib |
| 14:25.43 | azeem | !non-free |
| 14:25.44 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 14:25.44 | wwallace_lap | !clue |
| 14:25.44 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 14:25.52 | azeem | wwallace_lap: eh? |
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| 14:25.54 | Azar | the best is to keep max 3 sources and add to the end of them for each: non-free contrib |
| 14:26.03 | hark | !ipw3945 |
| 14:26.03 | dpkg | [ipw3945] http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/, or for etch and above (kernel >= 2.6.18) is needed, add contrib sources and 'apt-get install module-assistant ipw3945-source ipw3945-firmware; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw3945-source' |
| 14:26.34 | muxell | vnc connection problem, can anyone help? |
| 14:26.44 | hark | ^ that might be firmware-ipw3945 iirc and you may need the evil daemon as well |
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| 14:29.17 | pickcoder | what would cause xorg to hang with a blank screen and freeze the machine? gdm and a manual startx does that. I had Etch and Xorg running on this machine earlier yesterday and after a daily build re-install it locks up the machine. |
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| 14:29.24 | pickcoder | I've reconfigured X, btw |
| 14:29.39 | MsgToThePpl | hi, i would like string during boot to be small fonts like other distro does is it possible ? (vga param doens't help me much) |
| 14:30.03 | petemc | MsgToThePpl: you have a working framebuffer? |
| 14:30.32 | wwallace_lap | http://lshosting.nl/clueshop.jpg |
| 14:30.43 | wwallace_lap | The requested URL /clueshop.jpg was not found on this server. |
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| 14:32.01 | MsgToThePpl | funno |
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| 14:32.07 | MsgToThePpl | dunno* |
| 14:32.30 | MsgToThePpl | what's framebuffer ? |
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| 14:34.38 | capiira | looks not so difficult |
| 14:35.24 | capiira | dependency check depends of the control file, right ? |
| 14:35.51 | romanosGR | how can i remove the cdrom on my installation sources? |
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| 14:37.03 | pickcoder | romanosGR: comment the lines with a # |
| 14:37.09 | alisia | strange, in the shell prompt, my hostname is in bracket, like, (machine1). why is this so? |
| 14:37.15 | pickcoder | romanosGR: then aptitude update |
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| 14:38.28 | romanosGR | you mean the lines in installation list? |
| 14:39.32 | alisia | why? |
| 14:39.33 | pickcoder | romanosGR: in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 14:40.39 | Azar | romanosGR: read this and you will understand: http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
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| 14:42.02 | romanosGR | strange |
| 14:42.09 | romanosGR | i can't get firefox |
| 14:42.19 | Azar | romanosGR: read this!! http://os.newsforge.com/os/04/12/02/1710208.shtml?tid=2&tid=130 |
| 14:42.58 | romanosGR | : |
| 14:42.58 | romanosGR | i see |
| 14:42.58 | rgsteele | alisia: You can change how your shell prompt looks by editing your bashrc |
| 14:43.26 | Azar | romanosGR: you don't have a browser working? |
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| 14:48.06 | stew | romanosGR: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 14:49.43 | Suprano | all apps that want to use sound (vlc amarok xmms) instantly crash on start :( |
| 14:50.04 | pickcoder | Suprano: atleast you can get xorg to load <g> |
| 14:50.29 | Suprano | well thats the second problem ^^ |
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| 14:50.37 | Suprano | x only loads with nv not with nvidia |
| 14:50.59 | znh | Can someone help me configuring my soundcard? I installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, did alsaconf, but it did not detect the soundcard. lspci tells me it's a Yahama YMF744B |
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| 14:51.19 | polok | in UFS, for every indirect block used, what is the overhead? |
| 14:52.29 | stew | znh: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 14:52.59 | znh | stew, my kernel version is 2.4.27-3-386 (the default stock kernel) |
| 14:53.21 | stew | znh: aptitude install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf |
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| 14:54.36 | znh | stew, that package does not exist |
| 14:55.05 | stew | !info alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-386 sarge |
| 14:55.08 | dpkg | alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-386: (ALSA modules for kernel 2.4.27-3-386), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.8+2sarge1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1232 kB, Installed size: 3616 kB |
| 14:55.13 | stew | znh: what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:55.16 | znh | stew, I am using Debian testing, not sarge :) |
| 14:55.39 | stew | znh: you need to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel then, /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 14:55.45 | romanosGR | how do i install nvidia? |
| 14:55.48 | romanosGR | driver* |
| 14:56.14 | Suprano | m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 14:56.23 | Suprano | apt-get install nvidida-gl |
| 14:56.23 | romanosGR | ? |
| 14:56.26 | Suprano | apt-get install nvidida-glx |
| 14:56.31 | Suprano | that shoudl be all. |
| 14:56.37 | romanosGR | nvdida? |
| 14:56.40 | enouf | znh: 2.4.27 is not the default stock kernel for etch/testing .. fyi |
| 14:56.42 | romanosGR | or nvidia? |
| 14:56.58 | Suprano | ops |
| 14:57.03 | Suprano | *nvidia |
| 14:57.05 | romanosGR | :) |
| 14:57.05 | znh | enouf, that's probarly because I dist-upgraded after a sarge installatoin |
| 14:57.06 | romanosGR | thnx |
| 14:57.16 | Suprano | and not gl but glx :) |
| 14:57.34 | stonekeeper | hi there. I just reinstalled debian sans the lvm partitions, and reformatted the harddisk, however, somewhere the lvm info is still stored, so everytime it boots it moans about them not being there. Anyone know where this config is? I can't find it in /etc. Thanks |
| 14:57.38 | enouf | znh: that's why it helps to tell the uname -r as well as /etc/debian_version info |
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| 14:58.00 | znh | eniac, aight :) |
| 14:58.01 | romanosGR | suprano |
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| 14:58.07 | Suprano | yea? |
| 14:58.09 | romanosGR | which are your installation sources? |
| 14:58.15 | renewbie | hi, what does "stealth probe" means? |
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| 14:58.41 | Suprano | for nvidia? |
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| 14:58.58 | romanosGR | yes |
| 14:59.00 | Actium | so I just went from sarge to unstable and it seems to have managed to remove the kernel without installing a new one. I'm screwed, right? |
| 14:59.04 | romanosGR | it says package not founsd |
| 14:59.31 | Suprano | romanosGR include contrib and non-free to your sources.list |
| 14:59.39 | romanosGR | huh |
| 14:59.48 | romanosGR | could you give me ane example please? |
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| 14:59.58 | Suprano | ftp://url etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:00.09 | Suprano | oh a deb prefixes that |
| 15:00.11 | eniac | znh: hitting tab to fast :p |
| 15:00.23 | Suprano | its the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:00.33 | stew | romanosGR: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:00.41 | znh | eniac, oops, my bad |
| 15:00.45 | znh | enouf, aight :) |
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| 15:02.00 | romanosGR | etch stew |
| 15:02.27 | enouf | Actium: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 (or whetever your arch is) |
| 15:02.59 | stew | Actium: /msg dpkg sid upgrade kernel |
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| 15:03.20 | enouf | stonekeeper: sounds like a finky initrd with lvm built in .. or dm modules loading |
| 15:03.29 | Actium | enouf: don't have bash, grub is giving me a command line |
| 15:03.29 | enouf | er s/finky/funky |
| 15:03.35 | Actium | stew ^ |
| 15:03.39 | Actium | not booting at all |
| 15:03.53 | Actium | so I'm pretty sure my only option now is to start from scratch |
| 15:04.04 | romanosGR | suprano |
| 15:04.07 | romanosGR | can you help me? |
| 15:04.12 | romanosGR | i'm in the list now |
| 15:04.12 | enouf | Actium: not really .. just boot the cd .. chroot and install a kernel |
| 15:04.23 | romanosGR | i have 4 rows |
| 15:04.27 | Actium | enouf: I only have a netinst disc, will that work? |
| 15:04.27 | Suprano | past the line that starts with deb |
| 15:04.31 | Suprano | *paste |
| 15:04.33 | romanosGR | deb |
| 15:04.34 | enouf | Actium: sure .. |
| 15:04.39 | Actium | enouf: I'm gonna need someone to lead me through this, I've never done it before |
| 15:04.40 | stew | Actium: you need to boot a rescue/install disk, mount your / ; bind mount /dev ; chroot into your / ; mount /proc ; mount /sys ; (mount /boot if its separaate), then aptitude isntall linux-image-2.6 |
| 15:05.08 | romanosGR | i have deb http://.. /debian etch main |
| 15:05.14 | romanosGR | deb-src |
| 15:05.19 | Actium | stew: I have a netinst disc, do I just hit enter to boot or is it a special boot param |
| 15:05.21 | romanosGR | and then other 2 lines |
| 15:05.35 | romanosGR | that end on main contrib |
| 15:05.41 | stew | Actium: just boot until it asks you about keyboard layout or whatever, and hit alt-f2 to get to a shell |
| 15:06.16 | Actium | stew: alright |
| 15:06.17 | stonekeeper | enouf: I've noticed it the same with the ubuntu installer: If you have LVM partitions on the disk you are installing to, you can't remove them in the installer and it somehow remembers them on your new install, even though there is no lvm partitions |
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| 15:06.53 | enouf | stew i concur, but suggest a mkdir /mnt/point ; mount --bind /proc {/dev | /sys} all prior to chrooting, then |
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| 15:07.22 | Actium | stew: alright, I have a shell- what do I do now x_x |
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| 15:08.01 | stew | Actium: mount your / somewhere, bind mount your /dev into it, then chroot into it, mount /proc ; mount /sys ; mount /boot ; and then aptitude install linux-image-2.6 |
| 15:08.54 | romanosGR | oi |
| 15:09.31 | Actium | stew: how do I mount my / ? If I do something like mount /dev/hda1 /laptop it won't work cause /dev/hda1 doesn't exist |
| 15:09.31 | Flimzy | I would like to set up some sort of apt caching proxy that will transparantly fetch from multiple Debian mirrors, but appear as a single mirror to a connecting client... are there any tools out there to do this for me already? |
| 15:09.47 | stew | Actium: which install cd are you using? |
| 15:10.00 | Actium | stew: netinst |
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| 15:10.08 | stew | Actium: for which release? |
| 15:10.12 | romanosGR | this is weird |
| 15:10.17 | Actium | stew: the smallest one, bizcard I think its called, and for sarge |
| 15:10.25 | romanosGR | instead of firefox i hace icewizil |
| 15:10.27 | enouf | Actium: see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/433 |
| 15:10.30 | romanosGR | weasel |
| 15:10.34 | Ronin | romanosGR: thats correct, |
| 15:10.41 | romanosGR | how can i get firefox? |
| 15:10.53 | Ronin | romanosGR: iceweasel is firefox |
| 15:11.30 | Ronin | !tell romanosGR about iceweasel |
| 15:11.56 | romanosGR | lol? |
| 15:12.00 | enouf | stonekeeper: odd indeed .. some how you'll need to disassemble the vg/pv/lv .. your partition tables may be at fault .. or your /etc/fstab entries need adjusting |
| 15:12.20 | stew | Actium: sarge d-i uses devfs, so its going to be something like /dev/ide/lun0/driv0/part0... or something (i never got familiar with devfs) |
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| 15:12.30 | stew | Actium: or you need to load a driver for your ide controller |
| 15:12.31 | Suprano | romanosGR deb http://.. /debian etch main non-free contrib |
| 15:12.46 | romanosGR | suprano |
| 15:12.50 | romanosGR | do i add another line? |
| 15:12.58 | Suprano | na just change it to that |
| 15:13.03 | enouf | Actium: businesscard !=Netinstaller |
| 15:13.09 | stonekeeper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.04 | Suprano | then save, then apt-get update && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx |
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| 15:15.13 | rafl | After switching from linux 2.6.18 to 2.6.20 the kernel seems to recognise my SATA harddrive as hda instead of sda, as it used to. This breaks the boot process as the initrd seems to be waiting for /dev/sda to show up. |
| 15:15.18 | rafl | How to fix that? |
| 15:15.48 | Actium | stew: how would I go about doing that? using devfs doesn't seem to be working, I try and mount /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 to /laptop and it seems to have worked but nowthing shows up with ls -l |
| 15:15.50 | Actium | a |
| 15:17.20 | stew | Actium: cd /laptop ; ls -l |
| 15:17.29 | pickcoder | so can anyone tell me why xorg would hang on a black screen and freeze the console + keyboard? |
| 15:17.55 | stew | Actium: (i'm guessing you were in the /laptop dir when you mounted and so you are seeing the directory on the / filesystem, not the one on hda1 |
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| 15:20.09 | romanosGR | suprano |
| 15:20.13 | romanosGR | i did what you told me |
| 15:20.25 | romanosGR | but when i got to glx it wouldn't install |
| 15:20.39 | romanosGR | it said something about broken packages or whatever |
| 15:20.41 | romanosGR | :( |
| 15:20.47 | romanosGR | should i use other mirror? |
| 15:20.58 | Actium | stew: nope, I'm in laptop, and I was in laptop when I mounted it |
| 15:21.03 | Actium | nothing shows up with ls -l |
| 15:21.26 | Actium | oh wait |
| 15:21.28 | Actium | it just worked |
| 15:21.29 | Actium | :P |
| 15:21.43 | stew | Actium: cd /laptop ; ls -l |
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| 15:21.43 | Actium | alright, now what do I do |
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| 15:22.10 | pickcoder | I was up to date with Etch as of yesterday morning, and xorg ran fine. After a daily-build re-install last night (and running 2.6.18 instead of 2.6.17) xorg now locks up the machine when it loads. |
| 15:22.27 | Suprano | hum |
| 15:22.41 | Suprano | try using ftp://ftp.debian.org |
| 15:22.54 | romanosGR | what do i do? |
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| 15:24.01 | Suprano | ^^ |
| 15:24.10 | romanosGR | :( |
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| 15:24.12 | Suprano | http://.. /debian what mirror do you use? |
| 15:24.13 | spike | hi |
| 15:24.19 | enouf | pickcoder: can you install and boot a 2.6.17 as a test? |
| 15:24.24 | romanosGR | i'm using a greek mirror |
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| 15:24.33 | spike | how would I create an initrd image after I've apt-get'ed a linux kernel image? |
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| 15:24.40 | romanosGR | maybe it doesn't have what i need |
| 15:24.51 | romanosGR | can i add additional? |
| 15:24.54 | Suprano | sure |
| 15:24.57 | spike | I've always used make-kpkg --initrd or it did install it by itself |
| 15:24.58 | stew | spike: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6..... |
| 15:24.59 | enouf | spike: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-XXXX |
| 15:25.01 | pickcoder | enouf: no.. this is a done deal.. I can't futz with this machine. I removed gdm and gnome-desktop |
| 15:25.02 | spike | so never had to create one myself |
| 15:25.10 | stew | romanosGR: put the acutal error you are getting into a pastebin |
| 15:25.10 | Actium | stew: chroot /laptop ? |
| 15:25.12 | spike | stew: enouf: it s axen klernel, it wont do that for me |
| 15:25.14 | pickcoder | it was done all day yesterday |
| 15:25.15 | romanosGR | suprano can we talk in priv? |
| 15:25.19 | pickcoder | done=down |
| 15:25.22 | spike | stew: enouf: when I installed that kernel it told me to create one myself |
| 15:25.23 | stew | Actium: did you bind mount /dev? |
| 15:25.32 | Actium | stew: no, how do I do that |
| 15:25.33 | Actium | x_X |
| 15:25.35 | stew | spike: where did you get the kernel? |
| 15:25.41 | hlpwfuse | hi i need help with fuse, (installed with apt-get install fuse-source fuse-utils libconfuse-dev libconfuse0 libfuse-dev libfuse2), apt-get install fuse-source fuse-utils libconfuse-dev libconfuse0 libfuse-dev libfuse2 --- The group `fuse' already exists as a system group. Exiting..An override for "/usr/bin/fusermount" already exists, aborting |
| 15:25.47 | stew | Actium: mount --bind /dev /path/to/chroot/dev |
| 15:25.51 | Suprano | if you want to. |
| 15:26.01 | romanosGR | do i have to register first? |
| 15:26.01 | pickcoder | enouf: I will _try_ to test a 2.6.17 package on friday evening |
| 15:26.05 | spike | stew: it's a non standard one indeed, so it's for sure that pkg at fault |
| 15:26.13 | romanosGR | i mean my nick |
| 15:26.20 | stew | spike: what kernel version is it? |
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| 15:26.30 | spike | still, I guess I should be able to mkinitramfs it myself someway |
| 15:26.45 | Actium | stew: it said invalid option for all of the letters in bind and said that it failed because block device required |
| 15:26.45 | spike | 2.6.17 |
| 15:26.52 | stew | spike: yes, you should use mkinitramfs if you have it |
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| 15:26.56 | spike | modules are installed and everything, afaik the initrd image isnt more than a ramdisk that will modprobe those modules and mount the root |
| 15:27.04 | enouf | Actium: exit the chroot .. then do it , then chroot back in |
| 15:27.13 | spike | stew: eh, but I'm not sure how, even after reading the man there's something that doesnt look right |
| 15:27.13 | Suprano | no idea |
| 15:27.16 | romanosGR | i guess i have to register my nick suprano |
| 15:27.29 | romanosGR | can you tell me how to add aditional sources? |
| 15:27.42 | stew | Actium: what command did you type? what exactly was the error? |
| 15:27.56 | Suprano | just add an other line with a different url |
| 15:27.59 | stew | romanosGR: why do you want to add additional sources? |
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| 15:28.18 | enouf | Actium: mount --bind /proc as well prior to chrooting IIRC |
| 15:28.22 | pickcoder | enouf: just wondering if anyone has experienced the same.. it's not a primary thing for me, considering it's a mail server. |
| 15:28.25 | Gnurdux | when is etch actually gonna get released; im tired of this freeze :P |
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| 15:28.37 | pickcoder | Gnurdux: when the RC bugs are gone |
| 15:28.44 | stew | enouf: "mount /proc" after chrooting works just as well which is what i had told him to do |
| 15:28.49 | enouf | pickcoder: if you cant test a diff kernel ,then don't know what to tell ya ... |
| 15:28.55 | pickcoder | Gnurdux: if you are in a hurry, just install what's there already |
| 15:28.57 | Gnurdux | k |
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| 15:29.01 | enouf | stew: ok .. |
| 15:29.14 | stew | Gnurdux: at least 2 weeks after rc2 comes out which will come out after the current sid kernel makes it to etch |
| 15:29.20 | Actium | stew: I typed chroot / |
| 15:29.26 | stew | Gnurdux: (afaik) |
| 15:29.30 | romanosGR | what line supr? |
| 15:29.31 | Actium | stew: and it returned /bin/sh: chroot: not found |
| 15:29.51 | pickcoder | enouf: well.. it's obvious that the kernel has something to do with it but I'm not in a position to do testing right now. I'm still restoring crap.. |
| 15:29.51 | romanosGR | sorry for busting your balls |
| 15:29.53 | romanosGR | :P |
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| 15:30.29 | enouf | Actium: ok .. sorry for muddying .. mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/chroot/env as stew said |
| 15:30.50 | stew | Actium: so the mount --bind worked? |
| 15:30.54 | Suprano | romanosGR just add somewhere in this file an other deb ftp://url etch main contrib non-free |
| 15:31.01 | Suprano | or http:// |
| 15:31.03 | Suprano | what ever |
| 15:31.13 | romanosGR | can you please tell me yours? |
| 15:31.18 | enouf | pickcoder: it's just the easiest option to narrow it down .. it may be caused via "how" you "reinstalled (whatever that means)" |
| 15:31.28 | pickcoder | enouf: I was just hoping that _maybe_ someone had fixed it with a simple configuration change in the X config |
| 15:31.28 | Actium | stew: no, it still says invalid option for allo f the letters in bind except for n and then says that the mounting failed b/c block device required |
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| 15:31.35 | romanosGR | which is the one that definetely has loads of packages |
| 15:31.37 | stew | romanosGR: why do you want to add more sources? |
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| 15:31.48 | pickcoder | enouf: the daily build from yesterday had no problems |
| 15:31.56 | enouf | Actium: so you NEED to mkdir /mnt/point prior to any of this .. that /mnt/point will be where you chroot into |
| 15:31.59 | pickcoder | I installed the desktop and base tasks |
| 15:31.59 | stew | romanosGR: all the official mirrors have the same set of sources |
| 15:32.01 | pickcoder | normal install for me |
| 15:32.17 | Suprano | romanosGR deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main non-free contrib |
| 15:32.34 | stew | Actium: you aren't making sense |
| 15:32.52 | pickcoder | enouf: I even tested the first few steps of the expertgui option and X had no problems loading there |
| 15:32.55 | stew | Actium: tell me the exact command you are typing and the exact error you are getting |
| 15:33.04 | Actium | enouf: stew: I have created /laptop and in that folder Ihave mounted my original root drive - everything is there |
| 15:33.35 | enouf | pickcoder: your OLD configs/apps/settings/initrd, whatever may be mucking it up too .. but you should be able to grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see |
| 15:33.48 | Actium | enouf: stew: when I type mount --bind /dev /laptop/dev it returns mount: invalid option -- - four times, once for -, once for b, once for i, and once for d, then says mount: mounting /dev on /laptop/dev failed: block device required |
| 15:33.50 | pickcoder | enouf: this was a re-install on a new RAID array.. new drives, etc |
| 15:33.59 | pickcoder | my old array got toasted by 3dm2 |
| 15:34.15 | pickcoder | which prompted a new install |
| 15:34.41 | pickcoder | sorry.. re-install == new install in this scenario |
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| 15:35.37 | pickcoder | still waiting to find out if 3ware can help me restore the RAID control blocks on my 2 original drives |
| 15:35.49 | pickcoder | so I can atleast review some of the old config info |
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| 15:36.26 | enouf | pickcoder: ouch |
| 15:36.31 | Rockj | anyone who could help me with mdadm here? :/ Got pretty bad troubles when I wanted to add 2 new devices and increase the filesystem :( |
| 15:37.10 | enouf | Rockj: during the resizee2fs phase? |
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| 15:38.12 | darren | am running testing, but added an unstable server into /etc//apt/sources.list to get access to some packages. Now apt wants to upgrade packages I don't want (my own fault, I know!). I've reverted sources.list, how can I get apt to forget about the unstable repository? |
| 15:38.22 | Rockj | enouf: think there happend something. not sure. It was just done and I was going to unload screen , but I of course managed to logout of the console and lost the info there. Im shit afraid that I lost TB of data |
| 15:38.37 | Ronin | darren: not a good idea to mix and match releases |
| 15:38.46 | Rockj | (was going to class :() |
| 15:38.55 | stew | darren: apt-get update |
| 15:39.10 | Rockj | but I have some messages in syslog, hopefully I can still reassable the array? |
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| 15:39.19 | stew | Actium: do you have some newer bootable linux cd? |
| 15:39.40 | Actium | stew: I just downloaded the latest netinst, I could burn that and try it |
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| 15:40.07 | stew | Actium: or you could try skipping the --bind mount, and just continue and hope |
| 15:40.14 | darren | stew: just running apt-get update again will make it forget about the unstable stuff? |
| 15:40.16 | enouf | Rockj: if you search your HDD for rootraiddoc you'll see many rescueing and status/creating/resizing/adding/deleting commands available |
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| 15:40.37 | stew | darren: it will make it only know about the stuff in sources.list |
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| 15:41.14 | Actium | stew: burning the netinst |
| 15:42.48 | Rockj | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/357251 I'm still wondering how it managed to extend my partition way too much :( |
| 15:42.56 | Rockj | I had 4 drives, added 2 new, 6 devices |
| 15:43.17 | Rockj | might be because one got added as hotspare? |
| 15:43.38 | enouf | Rockj: I have no idea .. you can grab that doc I referred to from here http://alioth.debian.org/frs/?group_id=30283&release_id=288 get the .97 version |
| 15:44.04 | spike | stew: I found this command, update-mkinitramfs, update-initramfs -v -c -k 2.6.17-6-server-xen0 but it gives me an error: |
| 15:44.11 | spike | /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: invalid option -- - |
| 15:44.30 | spike | stew: if I use mkinitramfs I cant see any option to specify a different kernel than the running one |
| 15:44.40 | spike | which is not the right one, as that's a standard one and not the xen one |
| 15:44.43 | |capiira | lol its so easy to create .deb files dunno why i was so scared to try it:) |
| 15:45.03 | spike | any idea how to use mkinitramfs topoint to a different kernel? |
| 15:45.17 | stew | spike: mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-$version $version |
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| 15:45.25 | spike | ah |
| 15:45.25 | spike | ta |
| 15:45.26 | Rockj | enouf: reading it now, but doesn't tell me much |
| 15:45.37 | stew | spike: where $version matches the name of the directory in /lib/modules/ |
| 15:45.59 | enouf | Rockj: scroll to bottom .. |
| 15:46.06 | spike | stew: yeah, that's what I was using with update-initramfs, ta |
| 15:46.16 | pickcoder | |capiira: it's simple to create them, but you should make sure you follow the packaging guidelines.. especially for config files like cron and init.d. Otherwise you could break people's systems by inadvertently overwriting files. |
| 15:46.36 | |capiira | yeah |
| 15:46.45 | |capiira | im not going to create system stuff |
| 15:46.50 | Actium | stew: alright, I got it to boot, mounted my root, now what do I do |
| 15:46.54 | enouf | Rockj: likewise .. your pastebin atrocious;y without any informative content |
| 15:46.57 | |capiira | just things like xara acrobat reader and such things |
| 15:47.33 | |capiira | i did a deb for adobe flex2sdk to compile swf files |
| 15:48.01 | pickcoder | I setup a deb builder setup for the OpenQM source, but I still haven't gotten approval to distribute it. |
| 15:48.22 | |capiira | :) |
| 15:48.43 | |capiira | distribute on your own site |
| 15:48.46 | pickcoder | then I need to find a DD that will keep the package up-to-date for me.. they update their source nearly daily |
| 15:49.05 | |capiira | ohh that's a lot of work |
| 15:49.10 | |capiira | daily updates |
| 15:49.16 | Actium | stew, the mount command still fails |
| 15:49.59 | Actium | b/c: "Block device required" |
| 15:50.09 | Rockj | enouf: I dont know any other info I could give. since I was stupid enough to stop array , then I can't get the details of it again since I can't start it again |
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| 15:50.18 | pickcoder | it wouldn't be such a pain if I didn't have to register on a web page and download the source tarball on a daily basis |
| 15:50.30 | Rockj | just readed manpage you had to stop array before using --re-add which dind't work :/ |
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| 15:50.56 | enouf | Rockj: was the LVM on top of array? |
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| 15:51.05 | enouf | er s/the/there |
| 15:51.07 | pickcoder | OpenQM is a pretty neat hashed database environment |
| 15:51.26 | Actium | Which kernel for a intel pentium III? 686, right? |
| 15:51.29 | pickcoder | I'm hoping to eventually get it listed in the sources |
| 15:51.34 | enouf | Actium: yes |
| 15:51.36 | Suprano | what is /etc/ld.so.nohwcap ? |
| 15:51.47 | |capiira | yeah but does people really update their DD engine so often ? |
| 15:52.09 | enouf | no hardware capabiltiies, I presume |
| 15:52.11 | Rockj | enouf: I don't use LVM. Only mdadm with raid5. after ive created the raiddevice I first time formatted it with ext3. |
| 15:52.20 | |capiira | DB! |
| 15:52.24 | romanosGR | suprano |
| 15:52.29 | Suprano | yea ? |
| 15:52.32 | romanosGR | update && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx? |
| 15:52.36 | pickcoder | |capiira: the changes being made are normally not minor fixes or additions, so it is worthwhile to carry the changes forward as soon as possible |
| 15:52.42 | romanosGR | all this in command line? |
| 15:52.45 | Rockj | enouf: oh, the pastebin didn't get my whole paste. damn |
| 15:52.50 | |capiira | ahh ok :) |
| 15:52.56 | enouf | Rockj: try LiveCDs, like knoppix, grml.org, etc .. try viewing from without damaging or rw mounting |
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| 15:53.03 | pickcoder | the application is quite old and stable, but the GPL release has sparked a lot of new things |
| 15:53.09 | |capiira | brb |
| 15:53.11 | Suprano | apt-get update |
| 15:53.17 | Rockj | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/357261 |
| 15:53.20 | Suprano | the rest is fine |
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| 15:54.24 | romanosGR | what do you mean? |
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| 15:54.43 | romanosGR | which command to install the nvidia driver? |
| 15:54.50 | romanosGR | and have xgl enabled? |
| 15:54.50 | Rockj | enouf: problem now is that I have to get the array up running again, since its lost - wont initate. |
| 15:55.06 | Rockj | so I can readd the faulty devices which isn't faulty :( |
| 15:55.15 | Suprano | apt-get update && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 15:55.43 | Actium | the new kernel is installed but for some reason it won't boot |
| 15:55.45 | Actium | x_x |
| 15:56.02 | CharminTheMoose | I have a small linux distro and i want to make a bootable cd out of it via bootcd. is it possible for me to do this by mounting the partition i'm building it on? |
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| 15:56.31 | romanosGR | :) |
| 15:57.36 | romanosGR | i've done what you said suprano |
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| 15:57.44 | romanosGR | but no nvidia logo on boot yet |
| 15:57.45 | romanosGR | :( |
| 15:57.52 | Suprano | that wasn't all |
| 15:57.56 | Rockj | enouf: I can give you some mdadm --examine /dev/sd[devices] . two sec |
| 15:58.03 | Suprano | go to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:58.08 | enouf | Rockj: apologies.. you're likely running in "degraded mode" then .. you may be able to find some info here .. I'm no md expert or anything http://neilb.web.cse.unsw.edu.au/source/mdadm/ |
| 15:58.30 | Suprano | search for Section "Device" |
| 15:58.35 | enouf | Rockj: plus, I',m reall ybusy atm |
| 15:58.41 | romanosGR | and? |
| 15:58.43 | Suprano | change the parameter Driver |
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| 15:58.46 | Suprano | to nvidia |
| 15:59.08 | romanosGR | that's all? |
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| 16:00.28 | Suprano | romanosGR |
| 16:00.32 | Suprano | that should be all |
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| 16:00.36 | Suprano | then you only need to restart X |
| 16:00.43 | Suprano | (or just reboot) |
| 16:00.52 | olsen | how do i install the 32 bit libraries for run 32 bit applications on amd64/em64t? |
| 16:01.03 | olsen | *hi) |
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| 16:01.39 | Suprano | olsen |
| 16:01.44 | Suprano | apt-cache search lib32 |
| 16:02.28 | Rockj | enouf: is there any other speicific mdadm channels or raid channel I might get help? ##linux was busy with other discussions :/ |
| 16:02.39 | romanosGR | i'm alredy there suprano |
| 16:02.49 | romanosGR | and in the section device |
| 16:02.50 | Rockj | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/357284 im just wondering if its all broke and I actaully have to recreate my array and loose all my data :( |
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| 16:02.59 | olsen | Suprano: i dont know which one is there |
| 16:03.00 | romanosGR | it already has nvidia :( |
| 16:03.05 | romanosGR | what the hell |
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| 16:03.38 | claudio_ | hi |
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| 16:04.22 | romanosGR | it says section device , identifier nvidia corporation g72m (geforce go 7400) |
| 16:04.35 | romanosGR | but still no nvidia logo nor xgl :( |
| 16:05.01 | olsen | romanosGR: are you trying to install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 16:05.06 | romanosGR | yes |
| 16:05.15 | olsen | romanosGR: how? |
| 16:05.25 | olsen | romanosGR: from the .sh package? |
| 16:05.33 | romanosGR | apt-get update && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 16:05.42 | romanosGR | just did what suprano told me.. |
| 16:05.49 | romanosGR | dunno i'm noob in debian |
| 16:06.18 | claudio_ | hi, anyone know how to set iptables to make a localnet connect to internet? the interfaces are eth0-->internet eth1-->local network |
| 16:06.38 | Rockj | enouf: anyway, thanks for trying. Very much appriciated. Ill go read the url you posted. |
| 16:06.59 | Suprano | romanosGR check the last lines of /var/log/syslog |
| 16:07.05 | claudio_ | help pls |
| 16:07.16 | amphi | claudio_: on the gw, do echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward & iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:07.34 | romanosGR | where are these lines? |
| 16:07.36 | amphi | claudio_: set the ip of eth1 as the default gw for the lan machines |
| 16:07.46 | claudio_ | yes |
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| 16:07.49 | romanosGR | can't find them on xorg.conf |
| 16:08.11 | Suprano | /var/log/syslog is a logfile |
| 16:08.12 | olsen | romanosGR: make sure you have Driver "nvidia" on the Device Section in xorg.conf |
| 16:08.54 | romanosGR | i have nvidia corporation g72m (geforce go 7400) |
| 16:09.05 | romanosGR | which is exactly my card |
| 16:09.10 | romanosGR | dunno |
| 16:09.15 | claudio_ | amphi: i've done that, there's nothing else to set? |
| 16:09.16 | romanosGR | should i replace that to nvidia? |
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| 16:09.25 | amphi | claudio_: dns |
| 16:09.56 | claudio_ | but the gw is on the net, the local pcs cannot ping anything :S |
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| 16:10.00 | romanosGR | ? |
| 16:10.14 | amphi | claudio_: depends on your setup; you may need to fiddle with INPUT, OUTPUT, & FORWARD chains |
| 16:10.29 | amphi | claudio_: they can ping the gw? |
| 16:10.44 | claudio_ | yes |
| 16:11.00 | amphi | claudio_: there are many tutorials on the intertubes for doing this, BTW |
| 16:11.16 | amphi | claudio_: the lan machines can ping an internet host by ip address? |
| 16:11.24 | claudio_ | i don't have x on this gw :S |
| 16:11.36 | claudio_ | i need a quick solution |
| 16:11.43 | amphi | claudio_: X? wtf? |
| 16:11.55 | amphi | claudio_: the lan machines can ping an internet host by ip address? |
| 16:12.13 | amphi | !hurry |
| 16:12.13 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
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| 16:12.23 | Suprano | romanosGR your X still starts? |
| 16:12.29 | romanosGR | yes |
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| 16:12.52 | claudio_ | no amphi |
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| 16:13.35 | pickcoder | claudio_: eth0 is on the lan, right? |
| 16:13.42 | romanosGR | please help ... |
| 16:13.42 | romanosGR | lol |
| 16:13.49 | claudio_ | eth0 is on the net eth1 is on the lan |
| 16:14.01 | Solak | hmm, there's no non-US testing for sources.list? |
| 16:14.01 | pickcoder | that's not what you said earlier |
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| 16:14.16 | pickcoder | unless I read it wrong |
| 16:14.26 | pickcoder | I read it wrong |
| 16:14.34 | claudio_ | :) |
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| 16:15.39 | amphi | claudio_: so, on a lan machine, 'ping 72.14.207.99' gives what error? |
| 16:16.18 | claudio_ | timed out amphi |
| 16:16.20 | bonez39 | I have logrotate in crontab...but I want to run it now, instead of at the appointed time .. how does one run logrotate? |
| 16:16.54 | fireba11 | Solak: non-us was for stuff not allowed to export from the US .. that is not longer the case so non-us doesn't exist anymore |
| 16:17.22 | Solak | fireba11: ah. hmm, for stable it still works. |
| 16:17.25 | amphi | claudio_: something is b0rked ;) I have no idea what your setup is, so I can't say what |
| 16:17.43 | amphi | claudio_: the FORWARD chain policy is what? |
| 16:17.47 | fireba11 | Solak: yes, but testing doesn't have it anymore ... |
| 16:17.49 | claudio_ | nothing more of what u said |
| 16:17.56 | amphi | claudio_: what INPUT rules are there on eth1? |
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| 16:18.04 | fluxdude | where doesn apt-get stored the downloaded files, does it remove them automatically, can I removed them since I'm extremely low on space on / |
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| 16:18.09 | elriah | Anyone know of any documentation on the kernel module ip_conntrack_tftp? |
| 16:18.13 | elriah | Google isn't helping. |
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| 16:19.20 | pickcoder | amphi: shouldn't that be -o eth1 since eth1 is the external route? |
| 16:19.25 | claudio_ | amphi: consider that i'm a total new. btw there is an hub which is connected to eth1 of the gw, and on the same machine the gw go on the net on eth0. i set iptables as u said and nothing more. the machines can ping eachothers, the gw can ping the net and local machines no. that's all :\ |
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| 16:19.55 | amphi | !u |
| 16:19.55 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:20.10 | deego | Anyone use webmin much? I want to use it for most new things, but just wondering if anyone has comments on how well it mixes with debian.. or whether some features "break" the debian way.. |
| 16:20.19 | amphi | claudio_: I suggest you read a howto such as the one at tldp.org |
| 16:20.21 | Perdignus | Hello - is anyone using bootsplash with the 2.6.20 kernel? |
| 16:20.25 | cydork | claudio_: try ipmask too. |
| 16:20.31 | cydork | fluxdude: apt-get clean |
| 16:20.46 | cydork | deego: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 16:20.56 | fireba11 | !tell deego about webmin |
| 16:20.56 | pickcoder | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s <lan cidr> -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE |
| 16:21.06 | cydork | claudio_: sorry ipmasq :P |
| 16:21.24 | claudio_ | :\ |
| 16:21.25 | deego | Thanks |
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| 16:21.49 | Solak | anyway, with --simulate I notice that some packages are removed (79), so I guess I'll stick to stable for the moment :-) |
| 16:21.50 | fireba11 | deego: please not it got thrown out of debian for being a nightmare to maintain and insecure |
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| 16:22.41 | Rockj | mdadm users, how should I manage to readd my deviced which is in removed state. http://pastebin.ca/357297 |
| 16:22.43 | deego | fireba11: oh, it got thrown out? I see, it is only in stable... |
| 16:22.50 | claudio_ | no time to read howto :( |
| 16:23.07 | amphi | claudio_: wtf? |
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| 16:24.15 | danilom | is there any graphic interface like pgadmin in debian sarge??? |
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| 16:31.37 | jair | Hey guys I was wondering if is a way to create a test.gz file from a directory called "test" with file1.txt file2.txt and file3.txt inside of it. Without have to tar it first? |
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| 16:33.19 | pickcoder | jair: do you want to preserve any file settings? |
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| 16:34.02 | jair | hmm yes and no |
| 16:34.05 | pickcoder | actually I guess it wouldn't matter for gzip |
| 16:34.15 | jair | pickcoder: can I get both example. |
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| 16:34.20 | snail | jair: tar -cxf test.gz test/* |
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| 16:34.28 | pickcoder | gzip keeps the owner/perms by default |
| 16:34.54 | snail | jair: check the x and j options |
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| 16:35.03 | elriah | Anyokne know how to beat a TFTPD into NAT submission? |
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| 16:35.16 | snail | jair: sorry, z and j options |
| 16:35.43 | pickcoder | it's -czf <filename> |
| 16:36.06 | pickcoder | j is for bzip2 |
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| 16:36.38 | amphi | jair: you can only gzip the files individually with gzip |
| 16:36.53 | jair | amphi: ok |
| 16:36.53 | kozy | hello everybody! |
| 16:36.55 | pickcoder | amphi: -r does recursion |
| 16:36.59 | jair | snail: thanks |
| 16:37.09 | pickcoder | gzip -r test |
| 16:37.25 | jair | pickcoder: no wonder I was trying to compress in .gz a directory without tar it first |
| 16:37.27 | amphi | pickcoder: files are silly compressed individually |
| 16:37.38 | amphi | er, still - wtf? ;) |
| 16:37.48 | pickcoder | ? |
| 16:38.24 | kozy | I just need to send mail on a minimal host, I do not need to receive, what do you recommend to install? |
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| 16:39.04 | kozy | it would be nice if it is very lightweight |
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| 16:39.35 | amphi | pickcoder: sorry, brainfart - -r will recurse, but files are gzipped idividually; I understood jair wanted to create a directory archive with gzip and without tar, like zip, perhaps |
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| 16:40.01 | pickcoder | kozy: telnet is lightweight if you know the SMTP protocol... |
| 16:40.48 | pickcoder | amphi: oh |
| 16:41.07 | jair | amphi: correct |
| 16:41.13 | amphi | jair: no ;) |
| 16:41.13 | pickcoder | kozy: other than that, if you plan on wanting a mail spool to send out from then you'll need a full-blown MTA |
| 16:41.40 | jair | so now i know that if i want to use gz on a directory then i mot tar it first |
| 16:41.43 | jair | most |
| 16:41.49 | jair | got it guys great |
| 16:42.03 | amphi | jair: yes |
| 16:42.17 | pickcoder | jair: you can tar and gzip it at the same time with tar -czf <filename> dir |
| 16:42.20 | jair | Thank you very much is a small doubt i have since I have been always using gz together with tar |
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| 16:42.41 | jair | pickcoder: right |
| 16:42.56 | kozy | pickcoder, telnet, lol, but an option of-course, yes, well, I got it only for tools who like to send mail to root and such |
| 16:43.18 | jair | but in this case the machine I was using did not have gzip installed |
| 16:43.22 | jair | nor tar |
| 16:43.44 | jair | I was tranfering some files from my debian machine to a UNIX AIX IBM |
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| 16:43.58 | jair | but I got zip and unzip working pretty quick |
| 16:44.18 | jair | the compression is not the best but it did the work in tranfer the directories |
| 16:44.27 | pickcoder | kozy: Debian installs exim4 by default and you can reconfigure it for local-only mail |
| 16:44.35 | kozy | I guess exim4-daemon-light would be an good option |
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| 16:44.41 | jair | Thank you all you as always are cintinuing changing the world :) |
| 16:44.46 | jair | thank you very much guys |
| 16:45.25 | kozy | pickcoder:, tnx for the input :) |
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| 16:50.18 | Actium | my x server is having error "Fatal servererror: could not open default font fixed" |
| 16:50.21 | DimmuR | where can i find debian testing netinstall torrent package? on site i see only torrent for cd/dvd but not for netinstall |
| 16:50.21 | Actium | how do I fix this |
| 16:50.40 | Actium | oh wait |
| 16:50.41 | Actium | nvm |
| 16:50.57 | wwallace_lap | whats best for debian amd or intel? |
| 16:51.16 | tabris|away | mu |
| 16:51.25 | Boggie | folks has any of you tried installing debian-testing on compaq C500 notebooks? |
| 16:51.28 | olsen | im trying to run 32 bit firefox on 64 bit etch |
| 16:51.33 | olsen | i've installed ia32-libs |
| 16:51.36 | abrotman | the cpu doesn't matter .. it's the chipset it's plugged into |
| 16:51.42 | olsen | but i get some error |
| 16:51.48 | petemc | SlayerXP: more perkel bashing! |
| 16:51.56 | SlayerXP | hell yes |
| 16:51.56 | olsen | ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:52.00 | petemc | heh |
| 16:52.07 | SlayerXP | petemc: the man's a chimp |
| 16:52.09 | olsen | ehm anyone? |
| 16:52.21 | petemc | SlayerXP: he's a genius for hire, dontchya know |
| 16:52.46 | abrotman | !tell Boggie about laptop |
| 16:52.55 | SlayerXP | petemc: I heard that, then I looked at his homepage |
| 16:53.03 | wwallace_lap | ok what chipset is better intel? |
| 16:53.11 | Boggie | thanks |
| 16:53.21 | abrotman | depends on the chipset |
| 16:53.28 | abrotman | there are dozens for each type of CPU |
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| 16:56.07 | Boggie | oh well seems my friend wont be installing Linux on her notebook then. |
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| 16:57.13 | Villarroel | Hi. |
| 16:57.41 | olsen | does anyone runs 32 bit firefox on 64 bit etch here? |
| 16:58.06 | Ronin | Boggie: why not? |
| 16:58.21 | Caitriona | I have both 32bit and 64bit versions installed, I generally run the 64bit version though |
| 16:58.41 | Hoxzer_ | hmm |
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| 16:59.11 | Hoxzer_ | how well does 64 bit linux system work now days? |
| 16:59.20 | Caitriona | Hoxzer_, fairly well. |
| 16:59.29 | wwallace_lap | ok abrotman what dpo yiou recomend? |
| 16:59.38 | wwallace_lap | im gionna change cpu mobo and video card |
| 16:59.41 | abrotman | whichever suits you best |
| 16:59.43 | wwallace_lap | what can you recomend? |
| 17:00.14 | wwallace_lap | i do mostly music |
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| 17:00.20 | wwallace_lap | dont play too much |
| 17:00.22 | |capiira | hmm anyone know how to add something permanent to $PATH environment variable? |
| 17:00.47 | chops | |capiira: Edit ~/.bash_profile |
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| 17:02.13 | edutux | when resiving the debian etch ? ( DL ) ? |
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| 17:04.29 | Ronin | not quite sure what you're asking edutux |
| 17:04.47 | |capiira | chops: and for the full system ? |
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| 17:05.21 | chops | |capiira: Edit /etc/profile |
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| 17:05.33 | |capiira | ahh cool thx |
| 17:05.50 | chops | |capiira: np |
| 17:06.03 | r3tex | if i have a driver that requires some symbols, and i know what .c files has it, how can i figure out what kernel option enables the correct module? |
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| 17:07.12 | jair | Hey guys if I have a debian sarge 3.1 stable on my server room and I have a device that needs an smtp server to send emails to other machines or users just locally on the server room all I need is install postfix? |
| 17:07.35 | jair | or there is an smtp package in debian which is not part of the postfix? |
| 17:07.39 | petemc | jair: debian comes with exim4, which works |
| 17:08.11 | jair | petemc: hmm exim is the default right, but I think that postfix is much more stable and have more people using it correct? |
| 17:08.16 | petemc | no |
| 17:08.30 | petemc | i dont know how many people use what, but exim is perfectly stable |
| 17:08.34 | jair | petemc: I have not find to much information about exim4 though |
| 17:08.38 | petemc | they both have comparable feature sets |
| 17:08.43 | jair | ok |
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| 17:09.08 | jair | all I need is have an smtp server to send messages, errors, logs, alerts to other systems or to an email |
| 17:09.28 | petemc | jair: you're free to install postfix, which will remove exi,m |
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| 17:10.03 | jair | petemc: I have experience configuring postfix, and currently I am using it as my mail mail server but I am guessing that this time I will need just the package witout install imap, pop, etc... |
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| 17:10.12 | jair | petemc: correct |
| 17:10.34 | jair | petemc: the thing is that I have experience using postfix and I am ptretty happy with his job |
| 17:10.35 | arraista | oops |
| 17:10.38 | arraista | sorry |
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| 17:10.45 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 17:10.47 | sussudio | %do arraista |
| 17:10.50 | petemc | jair: right, sounds like you've answered your own question |
| 17:10.51 | AbeLincoln | ouch! |
| 17:10.53 | bbelt16ag | how the heck do i make my history file bigger??? |
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| 17:11.22 | jair | petemc: but then to accomplish what I am asking you all i will need is the smtp package just postfix by itself correct. |
| 17:11.30 | bzed | bbelt16ag: do bad things and they'll fill your records. |
| 17:11.34 | petemc | jair: yes |
| 17:11.42 | jair | petemc: Thank you very mcuh I have the book also so I will guide myself from it |
| 17:11.44 | bzed | bbelt16ag: probably you want to explain which history you're talking abou!? |
| 17:11.45 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 17:11.47 | bzed | +t |
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| 17:11.51 | bbelt16ag | ok history ? |
| 17:11.52 | jair | petemc: thank you very much |
| 17:11.58 | bbelt16ag | the application in cli |
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| 17:12.14 | bbelt16ag | history of cli apps you can commands etc |
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| 17:12.33 | bbelt16ag | i know there is a bash option to make it bigger its stopp at 694 :( |
| 17:13.04 | bzed | bbelt16ag: aah, why didn't you talk about bash directly |
| 17:13.17 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 17:13.21 | bzed | bbelt16ag: add something like export HISTSIZE=10000 to your .bashrc |
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| 17:13.28 | Rockj | anyone who's abit mdadm expertise and maybe experts who could help me about with something? |
| 17:14.08 | bzed | Rockj: just ask, otherwise nobod knows if they're able to help you |
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| 17:15.03 | bzed | bbelt16ag: you probably also want to set HISTFILESIZE. |
| 17:15.04 | bonez39 | how does one run an item, normally invoked in crontab, on the fly? |
| 17:15.24 | bzed | bbelt16ag: use man bash and search for HISTROY in there |
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| 17:15.43 | Rockj | http://pastebin.ca/357297 , got some troubles with getting my array back online. First I tried adding two new devices and resize em. I executed the resize when /dev/md1 had sda,sdb,sdc,sdd online, sde removed and sdf as hotspare. |
| 17:15.53 | Rockj | now my raid is all removed and the sdf is synched |
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| 17:16.10 | Rockj | wondering how I could get my others online again. They should be fine and clean |
| 17:16.40 | arraista | i have this piece of software that I want to package as a .deb. where do I start and how should I distribute it? roll my own repo? |
| 17:17.32 | chops | Rockj: Tried mdadm -A? |
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| 17:18.34 | Rockj | mdadm -A /dev/md1 |
| 17:18.34 | Rockj | mdadm: device /dev/md1 already active - cannot assemble it |
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| 17:19.19 | olsen | how do i install ia32-libs-gtk? |
| 17:19.26 | olsen | i want to run firefox (32 bit) |
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| 17:19.53 | chops | Rockj: Hm |
| 17:19.56 | SakalR | apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 17:19.57 | olsen | i have ia32-libs already installed but when i ldd the binary (firefox 32 bit) says that gtk is missing |
| 17:20.08 | olsen | SakalR: that will install 64-bit firefox, i want 32-bit |
| 17:20.09 | chops | Rockj: Can you pastebin 'cat /proc/mdstat'? |
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| 17:20.56 | Rockj | chops: http://pastebin.ca/357381 |
| 17:21.25 | olsen | anyone? |
| 17:21.25 | Nosf3ratu | bueller? |
| 17:21.54 | chops | Rockj: Well, it clearly says it's inactive :-/ |
| 17:21.57 | Rockj | chops: should I try mdadm --assamble md1 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde ? |
| 17:22.11 | bzed | olsen: install ia32-libs-gtk |
| 17:22.24 | bzed | Rockj: do you have a backup? |
| 17:22.33 | Rockj | bzed: nope. |
| 17:22.41 | chops | Rockj: Brave man |
| 17:22.47 | Rockj | bzed: but as far as I see it - its already gone.. |
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| 17:22.55 | bzed | ouch. you probably want to ask somebody who really knows about mdam |
| 17:22.58 | bzed | mdadm |
| 17:23.07 | SakalR | olsen: apt-get install libgnome32? |
| 17:23.11 | olsen | package ia32-libs-gtk is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source |
| 17:23.15 | melodos | hello everyone |
| 17:23.22 | melodos | i have a problem with my debain |
| 17:23.25 | melodos | debian*\ |
| 17:23.35 | Rockj | there is no public dev channel for mdadm :( but im tempting to test the --assamble thing. |
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| 17:23.47 | melodos | how can i install the nvidia driver and the xgl+compiz? |
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| 17:23.54 | bzed | olsen: are you runnign etch? if yes, when did you update/upgrade the last time? |
| 17:24.08 | stoned | Is anyone familiar with VirtualBox? I seem to always get my mouse stuck in the guest OS window, and the only information I have been able to find is how to get the keyboard back from VirtualBox using the default CTRL+R. Does anyone use it? Know how to get the mouse back? |
| 17:24.11 | melodos | i'm running etch btw |
| 17:24.15 | bzed | melodos: you need the nvidia driver from experimental to get compiz working well |
| 17:24.30 | chops | Rockj: Yeah, the assemble sounds okay (though I'd expect it to fail just like the other). You might also try mdadm --assemble md2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde |
| 17:24.31 | melodos | ok bzed, what do i have to do? |
| 17:24.44 | olsen | bzed: yes, im running etch, hmmmm, yesterday? |
| 17:24.45 | Zaggynl | How do I load the prism2 driver in debian? |
| 17:25.02 | Rockj | chops: md2? |
| 17:25.03 | jelly | Rockj: do you already have data on md1? |
| 17:25.06 | melodos | tested 2 distros up to now and it loading the nvidia driver was a piece of cake, dunno bout deb |
| 17:25.13 | Rockj | jelly: I do already have data on md1 |
| 17:25.16 | Rockj | its full of data |
| 17:25.26 | Rockj | or, alot of data |
| 17:25.31 | melodos | someone please? |
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| 17:25.43 | olsen | bzed: you can install ia32-libs-gtk and you are running etch? |
| 17:25.52 | bzed | melodos: wait until it drops into unstable at least. I'm using it at the moment, but the lsat time I tried it it jsut crashed and it still doesn't look 100% stable |
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| 17:26.09 | PDani | hi |
| 17:26.11 | melodos | really? |
| 17:26.19 | bzed | olsen: yes, I have them installed and they're avaiable in testing and unstable |
| 17:26.19 | renewbie | how can I run a script on every bootup? |
| 17:26.20 | jelly | Rockj: are sda-sde the same or bigger size as sdf? |
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| 17:26.36 | melodos | how is it supposed to run on fedora then? |
| 17:26.36 | Rockj | jelly: sd[a-f] is equal. 320GB |
| 17:26.38 | olsen | bzed: i did now apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 17:26.38 | bzed | !tell melodos about nvidia oneliner |
| 17:26.45 | olsen | bzed: and still cant find it |
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| 17:26.58 | Zaggynl | !tell Zaggynl about prism |
| 17:27.30 | melodos | i'm using etch bzed |
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| 17:27.58 | bzed | melodos: that's just work for you. you'll need to reconfigure xorg, though |
| 17:28.04 | pickcoder | Rockj: can you paste the mdadm.conf? |
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| 17:28.19 | olsen | bzed: are you sure is available on testing? |
| 17:28.30 | Thms | how to delete all cookies of opera? |
| 17:28.32 | melodos | will i be able to use compiz bzed? |
| 17:28.38 | melodos | and xgl? |
| 17:28.44 | Rockj | pickcoder: ARRAY /dev/md1 level=raid5 num-devices=6 name=1 UUID=52c3f68b:130e4a5b:9ed0c306:12e0a06c |
| 17:28.49 | PDani | i tried to mount a unionfs with the unionfs kernelmodule in etch, but when i tried to give the dirs=/foo=ro option to mount, i got the standard "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on none,..." error. it seems like the =ro part of the option doesn't work, not in this way... any idea? |
| 17:28.51 | jelly | Rockj: If you're going to maximize usable space and still keep some sort of redundancy/fault tolerance, you could build a new raid5 from sda-sde, then copy the contents of the old md1 to the new md device, and finally if the copy is ok destroy the old md device and reuse the drive eg. as a hot spare for the new raid5 |
| 17:28.52 | olsen | bzed: here says is available only on unstable http://packages.debian.org/ia32-libs-gtk |
| 17:28.52 | bzed | olsen: http://pastebin.ca/357387 |
| 17:28.57 | Rockj | I did change num-devices to 6 myself , since I just added disks |
| 17:28.59 | Rockj | it was 4 before |
| 17:29.07 | Rockj | but I didnt run the scan thing after adding the new drives |
| 17:29.11 | Rockj | but there is 6 drives. |
| 17:29.18 | bzed | olsen: hmm, probably it was removed from testing then |
| 17:29.23 | melodos | huh? |
| 17:29.27 | bzed | olsen: well, give me a second then |
| 17:29.33 | olsen | ok |
| 17:29.56 | jelly | Rockj: ooh, your previous raid5 was on 4 disks? |
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| 17:30.04 | melodos | is ubuntu easier than debian? |
| 17:30.05 | Rockj | jelly: there is precious data on the disks from sda-sde. |
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| 17:30.06 | pickcoder | Rockj: how did you add the new disks? |
| 17:30.07 | bzed | melodos: xgl will need the drivers from experimental as far as I can see. I can only suggest to wait, except you want somethign unstable |
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| 17:30.18 | melodos | i see |
| 17:30.24 | jelly | Rockj: dude, why the hell did you remove them from the array? :-) |
| 17:30.25 | Rockj | jelly: my previous raid was on 4 disks. I tried added 2 new disks. first one appeard as removed and one as hotspare |
| 17:30.28 | chops | Rockj: I think you can assemble an array as md2 even if it used to be md1. If it works, you can then deal with sdf and md1 at your leisure. |
| 17:30.31 | melodos | can i run xgl on ubuntu? |
| 17:30.35 | pickcoder | melodos: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:30.39 | xand | melodos: how should we know? |
| 17:30.44 | melodos | lol |
| 17:30.45 | melodos | true |
| 17:30.49 | SakalR | for migration from Sarge to Etch I need change URLs in /etc/apt/sources.list and invoke apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:30.56 | rahul | melodos: can I put a turbocharger in my accura? |
| 17:31.04 | melodos | hell yeah |
| 17:31.04 | Rockj | jelly: ive resized it then....and then it tried to access to more allocated arena then the disks had. since 1 disk was offline and 1 was in hotswap as it shouldn't be |
| 17:31.05 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 17:31.05 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 17:31.10 | pickcoder | Rockj: mdadm will always assume you want a hotspare |
| 17:31.20 | jelly | melodos: if you're a new linux user, it probably is. If you are an experienced linux user looking for stability and easy upgrades, debian is better for you |
| 17:31.24 | pickcoder | Rockj: you must specify --num-spares=0 |
| 17:31.40 | Rockj | jelly: so I'm pretty afraid I screw up abit. I was going to add the hotspare later when I receive my new controller on monday :/ |
| 17:31.41 | SakalR | thanks |
| 17:31.44 | melodos | i see |
| 17:32.04 | melodos | so it's difficult for me to set up debian? |
| 17:32.11 | Ronin | melodos: not at all |
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| 17:32.19 | melodos | someone told me tha debian is easy |
| 17:32.19 | Ronin | or normally not at all |
| 17:32.27 | SakalR | yes |
| 17:32.27 | SakalR | ) |
| 17:32.30 | jelly | melodos: easy compared to what? |
| 17:32.32 | olsen | is possible to install one thing from unstable in testing? |
| 17:32.39 | melodos | i've used fedora and suse in the past |
| 17:32.40 | chops | Rockj: Don't take this the wrong way -- it's still good to be careful and keep backups -- but in my experience it's pretty hard to destroy data with mdadm. |
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| 17:33.07 | Rockj | chops: I too belive the data is there, I just need to put the disks back online |
| 17:33.08 | melodos | and when i used suse, everything was running great |
| 17:33.13 | chops | Rockj: Yeah |
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| 17:33.20 | melodos | wireless xgl |
| 17:33.28 | Rockj | chops: if I examine the disks they know where they should be. I just got no cmd to insert them in. like taddaaaa working |
| 17:33.28 | melodos | out of the box |
| 17:33.33 | bzed | olsen: http://pastebin.ca/357394 |
| 17:33.42 | chops | Rockj: Did you try assembling them as md2? |
| 17:33.52 | melodos | is xgl under gnu? |
| 17:34.03 | melodos | or is something owned by novell? |
| 17:34.23 | olsen | thanks bzed |
| 17:34.37 | bzed | Rockj: probably re-add will help you, not sure though. you really want to ask somebody who _really_ knows about this stuff - if you like your data |
| 17:34.48 | Rockj | chops: nope, I'm abit afraid of what to do. I feel kinda lost. if you could assist me I would appriciate it. |
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| 17:34.58 | Rockj | bzed: Ive tried re-add , no go for some reason. |
| 17:35.10 | jindal | iiilllilllllllllllllusionist |
| 17:35.11 | chops | Rockj: You can also try mdadm -S /dev/md1 to inactivate md1, and then reassemble the array as md1. |
| 17:35.35 | jindal | iillllikkkkkkkilll |
| 17:35.36 | manuc66 | bonsoir |
| 17:35.40 | jindal | illlssssss |
| 17:35.41 | Rockj | http://pastebin.ca/357397 |
| 17:35.43 | Rockj | can this be of any help? |
| 17:35.57 | bzed | !lart jindal |
| 17:37.10 | Rockj | of what I read, there is 5 U which is the disks with data on. They are now in removed state. the _ was the hotspare and now kicked in. so its a matter of reversing stuff. put a-d back to array |
| 17:37.11 | olsen | bzed: # |
| 17:37.12 | olsen | # |
| 17:37.19 | olsen | bzed: APT::Default-Release "testing"; what is that line? |
| 17:37.22 | chops | Rockj: Yeah |
| 17:37.23 | Rockj | make f to hotspare again. activate the e, then activate f. |
| 17:37.31 | Rockj | question is...how? |
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| 17:37.46 | bzed | olsen: aah wait, do you ahve etch konfigured in your /atc/apt/sources.list? |
| 17:37.54 | chops | Rockj: 'mdadm -S /dev/md1' will deactivate md1 so that you can reassemble it differently |
| 17:37.59 | bzed | olsen: that line tells apt to get packages from testing by default |
| 17:38.13 | Rockj | md1 is now stopped. |
| 17:38.24 | olsen | bzed: yes i have etch configured in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:38.32 | bzed | olsen: because you do not want to replace you full system with packages from unstable |
| 17:38.40 | olsen | bzed: yeh |
| 17:38.42 | melodos | i'm sorry guys , but isn't strange that i can use xgl on ubuntu and not in debian? |
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| 17:38.58 | bzed | olsen: I'd change etch to testing in /etc/apt/sources.list, that shoudl work well for you |
| 17:39.11 | amphi | melodos: strange? why? debian has aiglx |
| 17:39.12 | chops | Rockj: 'mdadm -A /dev/md1 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde' will reassemble it from those disks, assuming that those disks are in sync as a single array |
| 17:39.24 | melodos | huh? |
| 17:39.25 | Rockj | mdadm -A /dev/md1 |
| 17:39.25 | Rockj | mdadm: /dev/md1 assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array. |
| 17:39.29 | Rockj | I did that, and now: |
| 17:39.32 | chops | Er |
| 17:39.35 | bzed | melodos: no. there're a lot of packages for a lot of things in ubuntu, but in debian are a lot of packages for a lot of things which actualyl work |
| 17:39.37 | melodos | so i can use compiz with debian? |
| 17:39.38 | Rockj | d1 : inactive sdf[6](S) sda[0](S) sdb[1](S) sdc[2](S) sdd[4](S) |
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| 17:41.36 | cydork | melodos: and compiz is there in debian. which you can use. |
| 17:41.39 | melodos | but i've seen somewhere on the net that debian was able to use compiz... |
| 17:41.41 | Zaggynl | I have this prism based pcmcia card, and the hostap driver gets loaded, but I don't detect any networks :/ |
| 17:41.52 | melodos | loads of different answers... |
| 17:41.57 | bzed | melodos: as I said before, there're a lot of packages in ubuntu, but that does not mean, that they work well/at all. packagges often come into debian later... becuase they come in not before they worl well |
| 17:42.00 | stew | melodos: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:42.03 | olsen | bzed: i still need to specify APT::Default-Release "testing"; ? |
| 17:42.10 | melodos | etch |
| 17:42.15 | stew | melodos: apt-get install compiz |
| 17:42.15 | cydork | melodos: check the wiki link /msg dpkg compiz |
| 17:42.28 | bzed | olsen: yes, the packages in unstable are usaully newer than in tsting so apt would upgrade to them without this line |
| 17:42.31 | stew | melodos: what video card do you have? |
| 17:42.32 | chops | Rockj: Yeah, but you want to set it up the way you want it first -- it looked like the sda/b/c/d/f array was what you wanted |
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| 17:44.08 | melodos | where i can install nvidia driver and find some info for compiz |
| 17:44.08 | melodos | ? |
| 17:44.15 | chops | Rockj: So what do 'mdadm -D /dev/md1' and /proc/mdstat say when you assemble the array out of a/b/c/d/f? |
| 17:44.23 | stew | melodos: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 17:44.24 | olsen | bzed: ok |
| 17:45.03 | melodos | cool |
| 17:45.10 | melodos | what about nvidia driver? |
| 17:45.24 | stew | i have no idea if the nvidia driver and aiglx work together... |
| 17:45.27 | melodos | everything was ridiculously simple on fedora and suse |
| 17:45.28 | melodos | :P |
| 17:45.48 | melodos | NVIDIA graphic cards are supported in the 9xxx-series proprietary driver |
| 17:45.51 | bzed | melodos: as I said before, you'll need the nvidia driver from experimental and I can't recomment to use it if you don;t need |
| 17:45.54 | melodos | that's what is says |
| 17:46.18 | Rockj | chops: http://pastebin.ca/357410 |
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| 17:46.31 | melodos | so i guess that debian is for some serious work right? |
| 17:46.32 | Rockj | still no active array. Ill try the -R switch on it. was either -r or -R |
| 17:46.45 | melodos | where compiz and effects doesn't really mean much? |
| 17:47.00 | Ronin | melodos: no it can be for play as well |
| 17:47.27 | bzed | melodos: but even the play things are taken serious and will not jump into testing before they're a bit stable |
| 17:47.28 | cld2 | my colo lost power yesterday and my box came back up to a prompt saying "enter runlevel:" and if I put in 5 it came up fine. no fsck, no problems at all. but now when ever I reboot it it needs stops to prompt for a run level... any ideas why? thanks. |
| 17:47.38 | melodos | ok whatever |
| 17:47.41 | Rockj | chops: http://pastebin.ca/357411 . Ill try to reassemble only a-d, which was my orginally array |
| 17:47.46 | melodos | can you tell me what to do on my own risk? |
| 17:47.54 | melodos | even using experimental? |
| 17:47.59 | olsen | melodos: i have beryl on etch |
| 17:48.10 | melodos | what's that? |
| 17:48.27 | olsen | melodos: the compiz fork |
| 17:48.41 | olsen | melodos: http://www.beryl-project.org/ |
| 17:48.42 | chops | Rockj: Hm, it seems to be adding the disks as spares... that's not so good :-(. What did you do again from the last time it was working, again? |
| 17:48.43 | stew | the one that isn't actually in debian (compiz is in debian) |
| 17:48.54 | chops | It won't activate the array with all the disks spare, certainly :-/ |
| 17:49.12 | melodos | cool olsen |
| 17:49.20 | melodos | how can i get that? |
| 17:49.25 | bzed | melodos, olsen that will need the 9xxx drivers, too |
| 17:49.32 | Rockj | chops: last pastebin. I got a extra controller that I can steal for some hours and a free 320gb hdd that I can attach and add? |
| 17:49.36 | olsen | bzed: yeah |
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| 17:49.48 | Rockj | chops: make it swap in as the hotspare maybe? might work? |
| 17:49.54 | olsen | bzed: i've installed the nvidia 9xxx drivers manually with the .sh driver *shrug* |
| 17:49.56 | melodos | so will it run for nvidia? |
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| 17:50.18 | melodos | can you help me out olsen? |
| 17:50.20 | stew | is there some reason someone would run beryl which is not in debian instead of compiz which is in debian? |
| 17:50.34 | cydork | stew: insanity? |
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| 17:50.53 | melodos | hello? |
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| 17:51.51 | Rockj | chops: so if we try mdadm -A /dev/md1 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sdf /dev/sdNEWEMPTYDISC - that might work since /dev/sde got no superblock. I'am able to activate /dev/sde maybe? since I guess the new empty disk will have the same problem as the SDE. hum |
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| 17:52.33 | bzed | melodos: http://pastebin.ca/357419 << olsen the debian way |
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| 17:53.03 | bzed | stew: yes, compiz sucks imho, bery sucks, too, but less :P |
| 17:53.05 | chops | Rockj: You can't use mdadm -A on something that's not already in the array -- I would try to assemble the existing array before adding any new disks. |
| 17:53.15 | melodos | :) |
| 17:53.18 | melodos | thnx dude |
| 17:53.34 | chops | Rockj: If it's not willing to run the existing array, I don't think adding new uninitialized disks will help at all |
| 17:53.49 | chops | What was /dev/sde in the old array? |
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| 17:54.03 | chops | You said the original was /dev/sd{a,b,c,d} -- what did you do since then? |
| 17:54.08 | olsen | bzed: ok |
| 17:54.12 | stew | awesome, experimental! |
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| 17:55.37 | bzed | melodos: don't come in and blame me if your system doesn't work anymore after that |
| 17:55.42 | melodos | :P |
| 17:55.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know when there'll be 2.6.20 packages? I'm willing to take sid or exp. packages, I just want virtualization. :) |
| 17:55.56 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: after etch releases |
| 17:55.57 | melodos | no i wont |
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| 17:56.10 | Rockj | chops: a mate of mine just arrived from the server room, he says my server is making bad disks sounds. click click. I have a feeling that might be because of it tried to write to out of allocated thing |
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| 17:56.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Some time next year then? |
| 17:56.29 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: you can build the kvm module easily, go to the kvm homepage, download it, make, make install and then isntall the debian kvm package, all you need, even for older kernels |
| 17:56.42 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: no way of knowing, but likely before then |
| 17:56.45 | bzed | Rockj: bo, that sounds like a broken harddrive |
| 17:56.51 | bzed | Rockj: or fan |
| 17:56.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't need the amd-v module in the kernel? |
| 17:57.02 | Rockj | or filesystem is allocated more then there was space, since one disk was offline and other was in hotsparemode when I resized it |
| 17:57.07 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: you need it, it comes with the kvm source |
| 17:57.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: That was a joke, btw :) |
| 17:57.25 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: if I remember right there's even a kvm-source package or so in debian |
| 17:57.29 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Ok |
| 17:57.33 | Rockj | chops: BRB |
| 17:57.45 | chops | Rockj: I'm heading to lunch soon anyway |
| 17:57.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: I'm using Etch's 2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 17:58.01 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: kvm-source. I think you can use module-assistant to build and isntall it. didn;t look into it, though |
| 17:58.08 | Rockj | chops: I might be thinking of loosing the data |
| 17:58.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Does it work on it? |
| 17:58.21 | Rockj | I dont like it when my friend arrived and told me that my server sounded pretty bad |
| 17:58.36 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to boot debian and then mount my /home/user directory before i login but after the usb module gets loaded? |
| 17:58.43 | CharminTheMoose | debian sarge is what i'm using |
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| 17:58.49 | chops | Rockj: So what exactly did you do since it was /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}? |
| 17:59.16 | cydork | Dark_Apostrophe: /msg dpkg kvm |
| 17:59.29 | Rockj | thanks guys, you guys been great. I added two new disks, growed em. but one of the new was removed, other one was hotspare. I then resized the md1 partition to max.. |
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| 18:00.18 | pickcoder | so it was running off the hotspare |
| 18:00.40 | pickcoder | sde was removed and sdf was setup as a hotspare |
| 18:00.43 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: i think so. just give it a try. instale module-assistant and kvm-source, then run m-a prepare && m-a a-i kvm - I could imagine it works that way |
| 18:01.02 | Rockj | pickcoder: mhm, and then resized to make them use all. so if im unlucky, lots of hdds has now crashed and died on me |
| 18:01.12 | Rockj | because it tries to read outside nowhere ;( |
| 18:01.12 | pickcoder | Rockj: nah |
| 18:01.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Ok, thanks alot :D |
| 18:01.21 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to boot debian and then mount my /home/user directory before i login but after the usb module gets loaded?i'm using debian sarge. |
| 18:01.26 | chops | Rockj: It sounds unlikely that the disks crashed at the same time as you reconfigured the array |
| 18:01.30 | bzed | Rockj: nahm, you can't crash modern hdds by reading non-existant sectors |
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| 18:01.48 | bzed | Rockj: sounds more like (some) disk(s) just crashed |
| 18:01.51 | chops | Rockj: What happens if you try to assemble an array out of just /dev/sd{a,b,c,d}? Is there anything interesting in dmesg? |
| 18:02.26 | Rockj | raid5: not enough operational devices for md1 (5/6 failed) |
| 18:02.29 | Rockj | eew. |
| 18:02.35 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Ok, it's done. Now what? |
| 18:02.50 | pickcoder | Rockj: did you remove sde and readd it? |
| 18:02.53 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: install the kvm packae |
| 18:03.00 | chops | Rockj: That sucks |
| 18:03.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's installed |
| 18:03.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: So is qemu and kqemu |
| 18:03.17 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: modprobe kvm_amd |
| 18:03.19 | chops | Rockj: Which one succeeded? |
| 18:03.37 | Rockj | chops: I havent tried anything yet.. but in dmesg |
| 18:03.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: Done |
| 18:03.47 | chops | Rockj: Oh, okay |
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| 18:03.56 | Rockj | http://pastebin.ca/357434 |
| 18:04.00 | Rockj | this was from resize I think |
| 18:04.06 | Rockj | thats when stuff started to go pretty wrong |
| 18:04.19 | Rockj | so have a feeling I killed those drives. |
| 18:04.22 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: well, then just use kvm :) rebooting after a openBSD install restarted the whole computer, so you proabbly don;t want to do this. windows doesn;t work with virtualization. |
| 18:04.42 | melodos | bzed bta |
| 18:04.43 | melodos | btw |
| 18:04.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | bzed: I wanted to use it to try out *bsd :( |
| 18:04.55 | melodos | would it be difficult to install my wireless driver? |
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| 18:05.23 | melodos | in the end of the day i don't know much bout linux.. should i switch in suse where everything just worked? |
| 18:05.25 | Zaggynl | Can anyone help me getting this prism card to work? |
| 18:06.03 | Rockj | chops: I'm not able to get an active array with [a-d] |
| 18:06.15 | Rockj | chops: I think I've lost this time.. |
| 18:06.27 | Rockj | pretty bad, and probably lost some hdds or only one. |
| 18:06.38 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: http://pastebin.ca/357437 |
| 18:06.45 | chops | Rockj: What's it say with a-d, still "not enough operational devices"? |
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| 18:06.57 | Rockj | chops: yup. |
| 18:07.00 | pickcoder | Rockj: what's the error when you try to add sde back |
| 18:07.02 | melodos | has anyone managed to get his ipw3945 up and working? |
| 18:07.09 | amphi | melodos: many |
| 18:07.12 | chops | Rockj: You can find out if it's damaged hardware by syaing 'cat /dev/sda > /dev/null' and waiting for an error |
| 18:07.22 | Rockj | sinope:/etc/mdadm# mdadm -A /dev/md1 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd |
| 18:07.22 | Rockj | mdadm: /dev/md1 assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array. |
| 18:07.23 | bzed | Dark_Apostrophe: well, give it a try. probably there was somethign else buggy, no clue. you probably want to make sure nothign can break in case of a hard restart ;) |
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| 18:07.35 | darkapostrophe | bzed: Is there any way to run *BSD on it? |
| 18:07.38 | pickcoder | Rockj: you have the config file setup for 6 devices |
| 18:07.39 | melodos | amphi: how bout you |
| 18:07.40 | melodos | ? |
| 18:07.54 | amphi | melodos: I have an ipw2200 |
| 18:07.54 | pickcoder | but what I'm wondering is if the superblock for sde is wrong for an md device |
| 18:07.55 | bzed | darkapostrophe: no clue. it runs, but I'm not sure about rebooting :) |
| 18:07.58 | Rockj | chops: for how long do cat need to go before an error would appear? |
| 18:08.04 | Rockj | chops: wait 20 sec and try next hdd? |
| 18:08.05 | melodos | well what did you do? |
| 18:08.06 | bzed | darkapostrophe: didn;lt have the time to look into it |
| 18:08.11 | chops | Rockj: It'll either show an error or complete successfully |
| 18:08.16 | chops | Rockj: It might take quite some time |
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| 18:08.28 | pickcoder | Rockj: fdisk sde and look at the partitions |
| 18:08.31 | Rockj | pickcoder: I got the mdadm.conf yes, and I dunno how to add sde back.. it got no super block |
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| 18:08.58 | Rockj | auch, cfdisk /dev/sde can't read disk... |
| 18:08.59 | darkapostrophe | bzed: FreeBSD, Dragonfly BSD, DesktopBSD, it doesn't matter. Any BSD will work. Is that problem an OpenBSD-only one? |
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| 18:09.17 | bzed | darkapostrophe: no clue :) |
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| 18:09.26 | pickcoder | well maybe that's the problem.. sde is toast |
| 18:09.27 | darkapostrophe | Ok... |
| 18:09.46 | bzed | Rockj: is it probably the disk making noise? |
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| 18:10.08 | amphi | melodos: apt-cache search ipw3945 - you need a module (which you can build with module-assistant I believe), firmware, and the revolting daemon, ipw3945d |
| 18:10.24 | Rockj | b,c,d got unknown partition type. a and f got none. e is ...eeek |
| 18:10.40 | Rockj | might be bad cable or something, but probably the disk making weird sounds...BUT. |
| 18:10.47 | bzed | Rockj: sounds like you ahve one more brick to build a house now ;) |
| 18:10.56 | Rockj | sde should be the disk which is one of the two newest. |
| 18:11.06 | bzed | that doesn;t mean anything |
| 18:11.11 | Rockj | bzed: we have 16 bad disks here at techoffice on our student union :/ |
| 18:11.13 | bzed | they could have dropped it before you got it |
| 18:11.18 | fsmunoz | amphi, I think that in "contrib" there are prebuilt modules for the standard Debian kernels. |
| 18:11.32 | chops | Rockj: Need to go to lunch, good luck. I may see you later. |
| 18:11.34 | goodshit | anyone know in tar -zcvf how do you opt out a directory? say i got 3 diretories. temp1 temp2 and temp3. and I want to only tar up temp1 and temp2 and not temp3. is there a way to opt out temp3 anyone know? |
| 18:11.39 | Rockj | bzed: but I might be able to get a new one on warranty. |
| 18:11.47 | pickcoder | Rockj: what brand? |
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| 18:11.56 | Rockj | pickcoder: western digital. they never failed me |
| 18:12.05 | pickcoder | which series |
| 18:12.07 | bzed | Rockj: fisr figure out if there's on broken and which one is broken, get the disk test tool form the manufacturer and test them all |
| 18:12.11 | Rockj | 320KS. |
| 18:12.16 | pickcoder | Caviar? |
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| 18:12.35 | Rockj | think it is that series. |
| 18:13.03 | amphi | fsmunoz: uhuh |
| 18:13.05 | pickcoder | I used to have tons of failures from Caviars.. I only buy 10K RPM Raptors now. |
| 18:13.15 | Caitriona | I've gotten a bad shipment of caviars once. |
| 18:13.27 | Caitriona | but other than that, no failures. |
| 18:13.32 | bzed | pickcoder: damn, sounds liek I should get a spare or 2 |
| 18:13.42 | Rockj | thing is, I got an unused hdd ... |
| 18:13.49 | pickcoder | bzed: they'd fail after 6-months to a year |
| 18:13.49 | Rockj | that might replace SDE. hum. |
| 18:14.03 | Rockj | not sure if I want to risk it, if it's going to blow that disk too. |
| 18:14.05 | bzed | pickcoder: runniing in raind? |
| 18:14.14 | Rockj | if it was because of mdadm and resizer tool and stuff. |
| 18:14.20 | Rockj | which I clearly think it was. |
| 18:14.26 | pickcoder | nope.. single drives |
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| 18:14.36 | bzed | Rockj: first check if they're really broken. probably it's a cable, hanging in the fan |
| 18:14.49 | pickcoder | a bad disk is going to fry, regardless of what you do to it |
| 18:15.10 | Rockj | bzed: my cables got clips on them, so shouldn't be that. ANyway, im powering down (this) server |
| 18:15.13 | bzed | but disks running in a raid usually fry faster then in normal use |
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| 18:16.19 | Rockj | bzed: these disks are less then 7 months old. even my old old old md0 array lives. thats old 250gb disks. |
| 18:16.25 | Rockj | bought a few years ago |
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| 18:17.02 | CJari | hey, how you get the mac address? |
| 18:17.11 | Rockj | anyway, I'm powering down my sweetie soon, taking a walk to the serverroom now to checkup the sounds thingie. |
| 18:17.18 | pickcoder | I have SCSI1 drives that still work, but most of the IDE drives from that era are door stops now |
| 18:17.22 | fsmunoz | CJari, ifconfig |
| 18:18.01 | CJari | thank you fsmunoz, is that the HWAdrr? |
| 18:18.14 | melodos | amphi |
| 18:18.20 | fsmunoz | CJari, yes |
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| 18:18.31 | melodos | can you help me out with that ipw3945? |
| 18:18.34 | CJari | ok thanks |
| 18:18.36 | enouf | bzed: chops pickcoder do any of you think the "Useful 'mdadm' commands" section here can be useful (applying to atleast Rockj /dev/sde disk) http://alioth.debian.org/frs/download.php/668/rootraiddoc.97.html (scroll to bottom) |
| 18:18.58 | bzed | Rockj: check the disks before you power them on again :) |
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| 18:20.05 | Boggie | ouf how is Intel Core Duo considered x86? or x86-64? |
| 18:20.13 | pickcoder | enouf: I was wondering why the other disks are "unknown" instead of "fd" for the fs type |
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| 18:20.29 | zinx | Boggie: x86. Core 2 Duo is x86-64/amd64/intel-64/whatever (but not ia64) |
| 18:20.36 | pickcoder | but that's pointless right now, since fdisk can't even read it |
| 18:20.39 | zinx | i dunno maybe there are 64-bit core duos too |
| 18:20.49 | zinx | but they suck anyway :D |
| 18:20.53 | bzed | enouf: I think Rockj really needs to check if his hardware is ok first, then it's still time enough to build the raid together again |
| 18:21.00 | drako | Im having big problems with modules |
| 18:21.24 | drako | i have some modules loaded at start up but I can't find where they are and i need to change some values |
| 18:21.35 | drako | or either stop them of being loaded at start up |
| 18:21.45 | fsmunoz | CJari, /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/^[a-z]/ {print $1 " MAC: " $5}' |
| 18:21.49 | drako | any hints? is Debian Etch |
| 18:21.49 | enouf | ok guys .. I agree about checking the hardware primero |
| 18:23.08 | enouf | drako: /msg dpkg blacklist ..man modprobe.d and /etc/modules is where many (loadable) reside .. also man modconf |
| 18:23.40 | enouf | blondie! |
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| 18:23.57 | fsmunoz | Or better yet, /sbin/ifconfig -a | awk '/^[a-z]/ {if ($5) print $1 " MAC: " $5}' |
| 18:24.00 | enouf | ...the good, the bad ... and the blondie |
| 18:24.22 | drako | enouf, thanks |
| 18:24.51 | xand | o.o |
| 18:24.52 | enouf | no prob |
| 18:24.57 | enouf | O.O |
| 18:25.13 | Bonkers | I want to pin a package, so I made an entry for a higher priority release in /etc/apt/preferences, but now where does that release get specified? it doesn't seem to be in the .deb, or at least dpkg -I doesn't report such a field |
| 18:25.46 | enouf | man apt.conf IIRC |
| 18:26.13 | enouf | Bonkers: /msg dpkg pinning .. /msg dpkg apt howto |
| 18:26.26 | CJari | fsmunoz, nice |
| 18:27.05 | CJari | now I just need to figure if the router acceps magic packets so I can wake up the server |
| 18:27.57 | fsmunoz | I see |
| 18:28.12 | enouf | Bonkers: man apt_preferences has nice examples |
| 18:28.34 | bzed | CJari: chances are bad imho. you want to login on your rotuer and awake the server from there |
| 18:29.11 | amphi | enouf: exclusive and? ;) |
| 18:29.14 | CJari | bzed, hmm i thought you could just send a special packet |
| 18:29.29 | enouf | amphi: still guessing ;-0 |
| 18:29.44 | bzed | CJari: as far as I remember that's a broadcast, so it wouldn;t even reach your router if you'd send it in the normal internet |
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| 18:32.09 | xand | enouf: pardon? |
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| 18:32.34 | Bonkers | enouf: so I understand most of that, but I have a .deb file that I want to install with a=bonkers, but i'm still not sure how to do that, it looks like that value is automatically set somehow by apt-get based on what entry in sources.list it comes from |
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| 18:33.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone dive me a hand with this? |
| 18:33.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | give* |
| 18:33.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can't locate Gtk2/GladeXML.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/bin/qemu-launcher line 25. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/bin/qemu-launcher line 25. |
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| 18:34.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | When running qemu-launcher |
| 18:34.23 | stoffell | hi all.. is there any way to catch the /dev/console output to a file on the filesystem, during bootup ? |
| 18:34.23 | pickcoder | Dark_Apostrophe: missing a perl module for gladexml |
| 18:34.24 | pickcoder | Dark_Apostrophe: search for gladexml-perl |
| 18:34.33 | hark | stoffell: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 18:34.34 | enouf | CJari: less /proc/net/arp shows me my router MAC, and the gateway addy AFAIK .. if that helps at all |
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| 18:35.05 | pickcoder | looks like gtk2 is calling it, so you need a gtk2 lib set for gladexml-perl |
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| 18:35.36 | stoffell | thanks hark, looking into it |
| 18:36.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | pickcoder: libgtk2-gladexml-perl <-- Fixed it |
| 18:36.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks |
| 18:36.09 | enouf | Bonkers: the thing to do is install using the apt-get install -t dist pkgname command .. but if you're installing a .deb look at dpkg -i man dpkg |
| 18:36.26 | hark | Dark_Apostrophe: did you get that game finally? |
| 18:36.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | hark: A couple weeks ago |
| 18:37.13 | hark | ah, nice :) |
| 18:37.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | azeem and enouf can tell you all about it |
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| 18:37.41 | hark | heh |
| 18:37.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | (Unless they're busy ridiculing me :)) |
| 18:38.03 | enouf | hark: shhh .. the fix was installing something from exp .. yikes |
| 18:38.15 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:38.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | That something was libc6 |
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| 18:38.29 | hark | as long as you did not compile your own glibc.. ;) |
| 18:38.38 | hark | oh |
| 18:38.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | And it happens to work perfectly :) |
| 18:39.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | enouf: Feel free to tell him. :) |
| 18:39.09 | hark | !congratulate Dark_Apostrophe |
| 18:39.09 | dpkg | Nice one Dark_Apostrophe, you did it! |
| 18:39.09 | Dark_Apostrophe | brb |
| 18:39.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
| 18:39.25 | stoffell | hark, no go. doesn't log in /var/log/boot. i must say however i'm testing on a (self-owned) openVZ vps, replacing /dev/console with a text file works, but that's kinda rude :p |
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| 18:40.44 | bzed | is anybody here using ovenVZ on a machin which is running the nvidia driver!?... if yes, does it work well? |
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| 18:41.13 | enouf | I got it working on my microwave and toaster |
| 18:41.48 | bzed | cool, my coffee machine brews tea now, too |
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| 18:42.30 | abrotman | like that's a stretch |
| 18:42.47 | hark | stoffell: ah, wait... |
| 18:42.58 | enouf | I'm having a bit of trouble of gettting espresso out of my toaster though .. cappuccino works fine though .. go figure :-( |
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| 18:47.06 | x_link | Hi |
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| 18:47.13 | x_link | I were here a bit earlier. |
| 18:47.35 | x_link | I messed up something with nvidia yesterday and now I did a re-install. But I can't install from my CD anymore. |
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| 18:48.06 | x_link | I have Debian Etch, i386 version. Netinstall |
| 18:48.11 | x_link | Could somebody please help me with this? |
| 18:48.19 | Bonkers | enouf: I must be missing something, I've googled, man'd, looking for release, policy, dist a=, all that stuff, but I'm still not seeing how to do this with dpkg |
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| 18:48.37 | Airwolf- | any link(s) to docs explaining about debconf ? |
| 18:49.22 | x_link | Anybody? |
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| 18:49.47 | enouf | Bonkers: I've only done pinning with apt .. but I know to install a plain .deb you use dpkg -i .. |
| 18:50.02 | edju | What package provides libgtk-1.2? |
| 18:50.07 | enouf | x_link: what's wrong? |
| 18:50.17 | enouf | edju: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:50.27 | x_link | enouf: I can't install Debian Etch anymnore |
| 18:50.36 | x_link | I don't know why, that CD has always worked for me |
| 18:50.40 | enouf | Airwolf-: /msg dpkg debconf .. also /msg dpkg reference |
| 18:50.41 | x_link | enouf: So now I'm on this Kubuntu live cd |
| 18:51.06 | bzed | enouf: that debconf link from dpkg is broken, I tried to find a new one but nothign so far :\ |
| 18:51.09 | enouf | x_link: you had this issue not long ago as well .. IIRC |
| 18:51.24 | enouf | bzed: hrm |
| 18:51.25 | Bonkers | enouf: ya, but that doesn't tag a release on it, I'm at a loss for how to install a .deb that is tagged, unless maybe it's only possible through apt-get and it keeps a separate database? |
| 18:51.32 | x_link | IIRC ? |
| 18:51.40 | bzed | x_link: why do you want to reinstall it at all? that's linux, there's no need to reinstall a system because the graphics driver is not working |
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| 18:51.56 | bzed | !iirc |
| 18:51.57 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 18:52.35 | enouf | bzed: dlocate debconf | grep gz gives some decent local hits |
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| 18:52.37 | x_link | bzed: I changed to the latest nvidia driver, it all worked. I rebooted and it loaded. But just RIGHT before it should come to the login manager I didn't get any graphic. |
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| 18:52.55 | x_link | bzed: I have already tried to re-install it. So I think I have deleted the old installation already. |
| 18:53.12 | bzed | x_link: I told you that chances are good that the 9xxx series driver is broken |
| 18:53.16 | Airwolf- | enouf, thank you |
| 18:53.17 | bzed | or at least not stable |
| 18:53.36 | edju | enouf, dpkg search - no result - nada |
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| 18:53.40 | stoffell | holding on ;-) |
| 18:54.19 | enouf | edju: libgtk1.2: /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0.9.1 |
| 18:54.20 | enouf | libgtk1.2: /usr/lib/libgtk-1.2.so.0 |
| 18:54.36 | enouf | edju: you didn't use apt-file like dpkg told you to |
| 18:54.38 | Rockj\ | bzed - chops - pickcoder : oki, Im damn lucky. This is so funny. I bought 3 new disks, but since I didn't have controller space for the last one, it was just added in the hotswap system of mine. The disks who crashed was one attached to the motherboard, and one without. That means, maybe the working I have left is the one SDF, so I might actually be able to recovery my array when I go to store and get two new disks. |
| 18:54.42 | bzed | stoffell: /etc/default/bootlogd << enable that, not sure what it logs exactly, but I think it doesn what you want |
| 18:54.45 | x_link | bzed: Ok |
| 18:54.52 | x_link | But i need to do something now |
| 18:55.04 | bzed | Rockj\: a raid5? |
| 18:55.12 | Rockj\ | bzed: yes. |
| 18:55.23 | smellydog | Anybody know How to echo a number as 99000000 other than 9.9e+07 in bash? |
| 18:55.23 | bzed | Rockj\: so the spare crashed and one from the raid? |
| 18:55.33 | klync | i can't get aptitude to revert all my selections after screwing something up... ctrl-u doesn't erase the bad selections.... advice? |
| 18:55.35 | stoffell | bzed, indeed,enabled it, but it seems not to be enough.. i'm using the debian as a VE in an openvz though.. |
| 18:55.36 | enouf | edju: nor apt-cache apparently |
| 18:55.41 | chops | Rockj\: I still don't necessarily believe that there's hardware trouble at work |
| 18:55.51 | chops | Rockj\: Did you see the 'cat /dev/blah > /dev/null' fail at all? |
| 18:56.22 | bzed | Rockj\: did you check the disks using the tools from WD? |
| 18:56.44 | klync | smellydog: ask in #bash |
| 18:56.57 | Rockj\ | bzed & chops : either the spare or removed-state disk from when I added 2 new disks is dead. The other one is one hdd that wasen't attached to sata at all. just power. I belive they are bad - since their making bad spindown and spinup and click sounds |
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| 18:56.58 | enouf | smellydog: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/ArithmeticExpression any help? |
| 18:57.01 | Rockj\ | both of the disks. |
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| 18:57.34 | stew | smellydog: echo 99000000 |
| 18:57.40 | bzed | smellydog: doubt you'll have luck on a 32bit system, that looks like something larger than a 32bit int, I'm too lazy to count numbers, though |
| 18:57.58 | bzed | echo $((99000000)) works on 64 bit |
| 18:58.24 | Rockj\ | bzed chops : belive me, Ive heard that sound before from bad harddisks - that sounds means hardware is dead. I'am taking the disks home now for testing at my personal computer. |
| 18:58.28 | bzed | well |
| 18:58.30 | smellydog | stew: but 99000000 was in a variable |
| 18:58.38 | stew | smellydog: echo $VARIABLENAME |
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| 18:58.49 | enouf | Rockj\: check your PSU! .. and that \ in yournick is annoying :-( |
| 18:59.17 | smellydog | i got 9.9e+07 |
| 18:59.21 | chops | enouf: Ooh, good call on the PSU... |
| 18:59.31 | smellydog | stew: i got 9.9e+07 |
| 18:59.44 | bzed | smellydog: weird. I think that's really a #bash case |
| 18:59.52 | stew | smellydog: then 99000000 wasn't in the variable. 9.9e+07 is. |
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| 19:00.04 | enouf | bzed: heh .. especially with no , to separate the powers fields |
| 19:00.05 | stew | smellydog: how did 9.9e+07 get into the variable? |
| 19:00.18 | smellydog | bzed:99000000 is much less than 2^31 |
| 19:00.23 | loca|host | what's the best sip softphone i can use with asterisk ? (ekiga wont work with my sound card) |
| 19:00.23 | Rockj | enouf: I took out other disks, and tested them together with only 2 others or so. They had the same sound - so psu is good. |
| 19:00.39 | smellydog | stew:seq 99000000 99000001 |
| 19:00.47 | pickcoder | needless to say.. yesterday was not a good day at all |
| 19:00.48 | Razva | folks, I need to install the latest openssl. still, I need to compile it specifign the perl bin location. how can I do that? |
| 19:01.23 | enouf | pickcoder: double-ouch |
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| 19:01.39 | pickcoder | Rockj: erm.. what he means is if the voltage reg is going bad then you have even bigger problems to worry about |
| 19:01.42 | snowbird | i cant get alsa to hold my settings |
| 19:01.48 | pickcoder | like a toasted CPU |
| 19:01.50 | pickcoder | MB |
| 19:01.52 | pickcoder | etc |
| 19:01.57 | smellydog | stew:99000000 is from "for i in `seq 99000000 99000001`" |
| 19:02.09 | klync | snowbird: you mean on reboot? run `alsactl store` as root |
| 19:02.18 | enouf | Rockj: 6 disks requires more 12v power than 4 do |
| 19:02.29 | snowbird | yea on reboot i tried store |
| 19:02.41 | melodos | could someone please help me out with ipw3945? |
| 19:02.48 | pickcoder | Rockj: what wattage is the PSU? |
| 19:02.49 | Rockj | pickcoder: my psu is also quite new, and quite powerfull one too. my motherboard should also beep if its having bad voltages |
| 19:02.53 | Rockj | pickcoder: 530 |
| 19:02.58 | pickcoder | AMD? |
| 19:03.08 | bzed | smellydog: indeed |
| 19:03.13 | stew | smellydog: how about just: for i in 99000000 99000001 |
| 19:03.15 | Rockj | AMD 3200+ , asus motherboard. |
| 19:03.20 | enouf | Rockj: ok .. I thought you were saying above .. they're all bad .. my bad maybe, but wiorth looking anyways |
| 19:03.25 | bzed | smellydog: i ahve the flu and was seriously too lazy to count the numbers |
| 19:03.35 | stew | smellydog: or can you use for i in $(seq -f "%f" 99000000 99000001) |
| 19:03.44 | melodos | could someone please help me out with ipw3945? |
| 19:04.01 | snowbird | any way outher than alsasave to save setting? |
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| 19:04.20 | enouf | Rockj: your drives are doing many weird seeks .. you should zero the drives and try a rebuild, as noted in my last URL about that |
| 19:04.26 | xeQter | hey |
| 19:04.27 | felixhcat | Hello |
| 19:04.47 | enouf | Rockj: though clicking in general is not good to hear from a drive .. perhaps shot ..so |
| 19:05.04 | bzed | smellydog: seq -f '%f' 99000000 99000001 | sed 's,\..*,,g' |
| 19:05.06 | smellydog | bzed::-P I'm sorry |
| 19:05.16 | enouf | Rockj: but FIRST .. run tha manu Diag. as others mentioned |
| 19:05.20 | karmatronic | melodos: what s the problem |
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| 19:05.23 | xeQter | you tell me |
| 19:05.24 | smellydog | stew:I'' try it! |
| 19:05.36 | melodos | i don't know how to install it |
| 19:05.36 | karmatronic | 'hi there BTW |
| 19:05.38 | melodos | :( |
| 19:05.39 | enouf | bzed: your experimental melodos is back ;-) |
| 19:05.44 | melodos | lol |
| 19:05.46 | Rockj | enouf: thats what I mean too, clicking is never good and disks are new. the other one wasen't even connected to motherboard. tested with the left one working from the new drives in all spots.... |
| 19:06.01 | bzed | melodos: well, then just stay with a nice normal desktop :) |
| 19:06.03 | Rockj | thats how I noticed it was one drive not connected at all who crashed...which I find quite odd. |
| 19:06.24 | enouf | melodos: see ipw3945.sf.net as well (for supplemental support) |
| 19:06.41 | loca|host | what's the best sip softphone i can use with asterisk ? (ekiga wont work with my sound card) |
| 19:06.49 | Rockj | enouf: but you want me to clear my whole raid array? I still might be able to get data but...I guess I shouldn't risk it? incase it might be the stuff ive done with mdadm and resize array? |
| 19:06.53 | melodos | should i just quit all of my efforts and use suse instead? |
| 19:06.56 | karmatronic | melodos: http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/INSTALL |
| 19:07.16 | cydork | bzed: seq -f %.0f should work too. |
| 19:07.26 | enouf | Rockj: all I will say is proceed SLOWLY and with extremem caution if you want that data .. |
| 19:07.42 | melodos | thnx karma |
| 19:08.10 | melodos | you have got your ipw3945 up and working? |
| 19:08.11 | karmatronic | melodos: you ll see it s easy |
| 19:08.22 | melodos | ok thnx |
| 19:08.27 | karmatronic | melodos: no i have ipw2200 but it s the same |
| 19:08.35 | Rockj | enouf: how can I proceed SLOWLY when retreiving data? Isn't it just to add a new disk together with the other one who's still working? |
| 19:08.41 | bzed | cydork: true... I really need to get in bed :) |
| 19:08.43 | melodos | cool |
| 19:08.46 | klync | can anyone explain how I can reset my pkg selection states to what is currently on the computer, i.e. to back-out from selections I made by mistake in aptitude (i didn't hit install yet, but i can't undo anymore) |
| 19:08.47 | melodos | i'll try it now |
| 19:08.53 | enouf | Rockj: as i noted earlier , see "Useful 'mdadm' commands" section here can be useful (applying to atleast Rockj /dev/sde disk) http://alioth.debian.org/frs/download.php/668/rootraiddoc.97.html (scroll to bottom) also hit the URLs located at the bottom like http://unthought.net/Software-RAID.HOWTO/Software-RAID.HOWTO.txt |
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| 19:08.58 | Rockj | then I should have all disks for starting the array and just make sure I get them ACtivated and synched? |
| 19:08.59 | pickcoder | Rockj: why was a drive powered on without a data cable in the first place? That's something you learn in PC maintenance 101. |
| 19:09.10 | pickcoder | unless, of course, you have a SATA hot-plug capable controller |
| 19:09.22 | HyperDevil | i have mdadm with 2 array's: whats is the exact commando to let mdadm start a program when something is wrong? |
| 19:09.47 | pickcoder | even then it's never a good idea to leave a drive spinning wildly without some kind of controller connected |
| 19:09.54 | bzed | HyperDevil: man mdadm, search for monitor |
| 19:09.56 | enouf | Rockj: proceed SLOWLY means understand whatever the ramifications can possibly be of ANY action .. BEFORE you actually apply/embark on it |
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| 19:10.35 | bzed | HyperDevil: edit /etc/default/mdadm then :) |
| 19:10.39 | enouf | Rockj: otherwise you can kiss your 1TB data goodbye :-) |
| 19:10.57 | Rockj | pickcoder: sata hot-plug case for the disks. |
| 19:10.59 | HyperDevil | bzed: will mdadm remeber --monitor when i reboot my server? |
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| 19:11.14 | bzed | HyperDevil: no, you set the options in /etc/default/mdadm |
| 19:11.19 | Rockj | enouf: good bye as in..loosing disks or just the data? I can survive with that..but I would be more then happy if I can make them survive |
| 19:11.21 | jelly | enouf: far as I can tell, [s]he's already disassembled the raid5 device which contained his precious data... the first thing to do would be to put it back as it was, then read about adding new drives to a raid5 md |
| 19:11.40 | pickcoder | Rockj: the hot-plug spare bays have power? |
| 19:11.41 | enouf | jelly: i agree |
| 19:11.58 | Rockj | enouf: I'm just afraid of other disks triggering clicking death |
| 19:12.08 | jelly | wtf is clicking death? |
| 19:12.16 | Rockj | pickcoder: yes, they have power. Ill post a link of the product. 2 sek. |
| 19:12.22 | enouf | Rockj: get more new working disks! |
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| 19:12.56 | pickcoder | Rockj: that's ok.. just wondering why you'd want to spin a drive for years and kill it, without even using it. <g> |
| 19:13.10 | enouf | Rockj: and you can lose both if you're not careful |
| 19:13.17 | pickcoder | anyway.. bbl |
| 19:13.54 | Rockj | enouf: I'm going to return in the two faulty and get two new ones. Then I'm going to hook them up again, this time everyone as ACTIVE and then stuff should work. |
| 19:13.57 | HyperDevil | bzed: what should i write in the file then? --monitor --program /root/sms.sh would this be correct? |
| 19:14.03 | jelly | ... because it might not spin up when it's acually needed |
| 19:14.15 | Rockj | pickcoder-away: because I get a controller on monday. I attached them yesterday or so...I wanted the system up running |
| 19:14.26 | bzed | HyperDevil: as DAEMON_OPTIONS - yes, that should work |
| 19:14.33 | sepski | Rockj, you should allways burn in new disks |
| 19:14.41 | sepski | before depending on thhem |
| 19:15.16 | rahul | and you should always dissolve jelly before molding him |
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| 19:15.40 | olsen | lol, gnome really puts me off |
| 19:15.48 | HyperDevil | bzed: DAEMON_OPTIONS?? nothing in the manual about then |
| 19:15.50 | HyperDevil | that |
| 19:15.52 | Rockj | sepski: burn in new disks? what does that mean? |
| 19:15.53 | jelly | olsen: so don't use it |
| 19:16.23 | olsen | jelly: i dont use it, i been running ubuntu, now im running debian with kde and i love it |
| 19:16.42 | Rockj | enouf: but when I do get two new ones, and attached one of them in so I have all 6 devices required to run the array - will I risk loosing disks again like now because of maybe BAD resizing of filesystem on /dev/md1 ? |
| 19:16.44 | jelly | olsen: eh, you can use kde even on u. |
| 19:16.57 | enouf | jelly: AFAICT .. s/he 's already Resized onto a non-working/non-connected phantom hot-spare (if that's even possible) |
| 19:16.57 | bzed | HyperDevil: there's a DAEMON_OPTIONS entry in /etc/default/mdadm - you add your options to that variable |
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| 19:17.14 | olsen | jelly: yeah, but i don't like ubuntu that much |
| 19:17.20 | olsen | jelly: i prefer plain debian |
| 19:17.23 | jelly | enouf: that's not that bad |
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| 19:17.28 | enouf | Rockj: I doubt it .. but there's a procedure for reassembling |
| 19:17.30 | olsen | jelly: i dislike the ubuntu logo ;p |
| 19:17.35 | Rockj | enouf: that's what I have done yes. resizing into a hot-spare and removed disk... |
| 19:17.44 | olsen | jelly: and the "linux for humans being" slogan |
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| 19:18.02 | jelly | olsen: yeah, I'm not human either :-> |
| 19:18.08 | olsen | jelly: :)) |
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| 19:18.20 | jelly | olsen: on the internet, noone can tell you're a dog |
| 19:18.26 | sepski | Rockj, use them a while. tax them a little. let them sweat. any production faults often manifest them selfs early |
| 19:18.31 | olsen | lol! |
| 19:18.53 | cydork | jelly: down boy!! |
| 19:19.04 | enouf | Rockj: burn-in means make sure they work (via placing them under load SOMEWhERE ELSE) prior to placing into a much needed RAID array |
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| 19:20.14 | enouf | Rockj: google burn in or even roll out .. same principle but applied to new software |
| 19:20.22 | jelly | Rockj: how come you don't have those other sda - sdd disks in the array now? |
| 19:20.32 | klync | can i remove /var/lib/dpkg/status and regenerate it? |
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| 19:21.06 | stew | !fubar status file |
| 19:21.12 | snowbird | how do i probe my sound card and config? |
| 19:21.14 | stew | hmm, there is some factoid |
| 19:21.41 | Rockj | jelly: because arraysize is 6 disks. 5 disks can't start it again. but I think ive broken it since I resized partition on md1 when 1 of the 6 was offline and 2 was hotspare. |
| 19:21.45 | stew | !status-recovery |
| 19:21.45 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 19:22.21 | bzed | HyperDevil: like DAEMON_OPTIONS="--syslog --mail root --program /usr/local/bin/raidalert" |
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| 19:22.40 | jelly | Rockj: how did you resize the partition? |
| 19:22.43 | Rockj | so I think I'll just zero them all and create a new array. But I'm about to order a 3ware hardware controller so might just wait for that |
| 19:23.09 | klync | stew: do you know what triggers a new dpkg.status to get backed up in /var/backup? |
| 19:23.22 | jelly | Rockj: I mean, did you resize the partition or the filesystem? |
| 19:23.28 | Rockj | jelly: resize2fs tool. |
| 19:24.01 | Rockj | I haven't setup any partitions. I add raiddevices directly on the disk, since I use the whole disk. |
| 19:24.49 | bzed | Rockj: btw, don't use partitions on raid devices, use lvm. much better to handle |
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| 19:25.21 | Rockj | then I format the md1 with ext3. so now when I planned to increase my array - I added the two new disks (where it happend to add 1 as offline and other as hotspare) - then runned resize. |
| 19:25.31 | jelly | Rockj: hmm, can you pastebin mdadm --examine /dev/sd[abcd] ? |
| 19:25.46 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 19:25.46 | dpkg | pong |
| 19:26.01 | Rockj | bzed: mdadm and lvm? thats abit overhead huh. |
| 19:26.05 | Rockj | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/357284 |
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| 19:26.31 | bzed | Rockj: every dm layer is a bit of overhead, but it simplifies things very much |
| 19:26.32 | jelly | Rockj: and between mke2fs and mdadm you put some data on it? |
| 19:26.37 | HyperDevil | bzed: ok thanks, should i now restart mdadm ? |
| 19:26.37 | enouf | jelly: some earlier posted info from Rockj http://pastebin.ca/357261 |
| 19:26.45 | bzed | HyperDevil: yeah |
| 19:27.12 | HyperDevil | bzed: i only have --progam in it, thats alright? |
| 19:27.16 | bzed | HyperDevil: ps -Af | grep mdadm << use that to check if it worked |
| 19:27.33 | itchi | I have a USB UPS, sometime it get disconnected because of the stuff is not yet 100% stable on USB. It does not matter that it disconnect for one seconde and reconnect again. Just that is spawn a message on every console |
| 19:27.35 | bzed | HyperDevil: sure, what ever you prefer ;) |
| 19:27.48 | itchi | Is there a way to avoid that i get it to all the consoles? |
| 19:28.05 | HyperDevil | bzed: /sbin/mdadm -F -i /var/run/mdadm.pid -m root -f -s |
| 19:28.12 | Rockj | jelly: after mdadm have created the md1 device and its all ready, I just format md1. good enough. 1 big partition on the md1 |
| 19:28.52 | enouf | itchi: perhaps /etc/sysctl man sysctl.conf |
| 19:29.13 | itchi | enouf: I dunno what it is, but gona take a look :-) thanks |
| 19:29.14 | bzed | HyperDevil: there's somethign missing.... paste /etc/default/mdadm please |
| 19:29.36 | HyperDevil | bzed: DAEMON_OPTIONS="--program /root/scripts/smsraid.sh" |
| 19:29.39 | enouf | itchi: /etc/sysctl.conf my bad .. specifically; |
| 19:29.40 | bzed | itchi: read /etc/sysctl.con, there's allready somethign for printk in there |
| 19:29.40 | enouf | # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console |
| 19:29.40 | enouf | #kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
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| 19:29.53 | HyperDevil | bzed: MAIL_TO="root" |
| 19:30.01 | HyperDevil | bzed: AUTOSTART=true |
| 19:30.08 | HyperDevil | bzed: START_DAEMON=true |
| 19:30.09 | bzed | !tell HyperDevil about pastebin |
| 19:30.31 | jelly | Rockj: nah, what I'm trying to figure out is, did you do mke2fs |
| 19:30.31 | itchi | So that's the 'low-level' messages? |
| 19:30.42 | enouf | itchi: who knows .. try it .. it's simple enough |
| 19:30.51 | itchi | enouf: Yup, gona look :-) |
| 19:31.00 | bzed | HyperDevil: oh, could it be that you're using sarge? |
| 19:31.03 | itchi | Thanks enouf & bzed |
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| 19:31.12 | HyperDevil | bzed: yess im using sarge |
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| 19:31.16 | bzed | HyperDevil: paste the full file please? |
| 19:31.25 | bzed | HyperDevil: in a pastebin |
| 19:31.37 | Rockj | jelly: I used mkfs.ext3 which is the same as mke2fs -j ? |
| 19:31.37 | enouf | itchi: it MAY now be handled by udev and/or dbus somehow .. so llok into those if not satisfactory |
| 19:31.40 | HyperDevil | !pastebin |
| 19:31.40 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 19:31.46 | enouf | itchi: s/llok/look |
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| 19:32.19 | itchi | enouf: My USB UPS is know to be are a bit unstable :-s He disconnect some time randomly for 1 seconde :-( |
| 19:32.22 | HyperDevil | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/357539 |
| 19:32.29 | jelly | Rockj: yeah, it is. what I'm trying to figure out is whether you have done a mkfs over youe existing data or not ;-) |
| 19:32.41 | melodos | is ubuntu for noobs? |
| 19:32.47 | xp_prg | how do I find the files associated with a package I just installed? |
| 19:32.48 | Rockj | jelly: no, I haven't runned a mkfs over my existing data. :) |
| 19:32.58 | jelly | Rockj: phew |
| 19:33.30 | bzed | HyperDevil: bleh, that's a bit different, from testing, sorry. could you paste me /etc/init.d/mdam please, I have no sarge machine anymore :\ |
| 19:33.42 | HyperDevil | sure |
| 19:33.54 | Rockj | jelly: data is compact, problem is that I made array 6 devices. (when one was offline, other was hotspare) . I then resized it - there was some printings after I did that...but I managed to close the console instead of closing the screen when running to class |
| 19:34.08 | bzed | OUCH |
| 19:34.09 | itchi | Should i need to restart some stuff after having modify the /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 19:34.11 | HyperDevil | bzed: http://pastebin.ca/357540 |
| 19:34.43 | Rockj | jelly: so I probably did something pretty ugly when I resized. question is....I got the 5 disks....when I get one new working...and attach it...will it work if I make sure to add all as active in sync and unset the hotspare? |
| 19:34.49 | jelly | Rockj: dunno. Theoretically, you could reassemble the array with 5 working disks, or even 4 in degraded mode, but a) I don't know whether md is smart enough to do that from the current state of the affairs, and b) what are the correct steps |
| 19:35.22 | hark | itchi: sysctl -p , i think |
| 19:35.47 | Rockj | jelly: I'm afraid to **** up new drives when I receive em. if it was my fault. |
| 19:35.57 | jelly | Rockj: best thing to do is ask someone who knows more about md |
| 19:36.19 | bzed | HyperDevil: edit the file and replace the command under start) by this one: http://pastebin.ca/357543 |
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| 19:36.46 | bzed | HyperDevil: I also suggest that you remove the DAEMON_OPTIONS from /etc/default/mdadm again, as the file is autogenerated in sarge |
| 19:36.49 | HyperDevil | ok thanks i will try that, just hard coding the thing in should work |
| 19:36.52 | itchi | hark: Not with the -p switch, i'm looking to the man sysctl right now, first time of using it :-) |
| 19:36.55 | HyperDevil | i will |
| 19:36.59 | Rockj | jelly: I'll have to write the worst essay ever then to make sure someone else understand what's been happening today. hehe. |
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| 19:37.10 | bzed | HyperDevil: in testing you can configure all that stuff in /etc/default |
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| 19:37.48 | HyperDevil | bzed: its a production server, nothing for testing.. :) |
| 19:37.51 | Rockj | jelly: I think I will sacrifice my data, even if its pretty sad to loose it. |
| 19:38.06 | itchi | What sysctl, man sysctl.conf, man sysctl not tell me exatcly for what that's used |
| 19:38.13 | itchi | What's* |
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| 19:38.31 | jelly | Rockj: nah, just ask on lkml or some more specific mailing list |
| 19:38.37 | enouf | itchi: /etc/init.d/procps.sh restart perhaps .. read that file'scomments |
| 19:38.38 | bzed | HyperDevil: ;) it's quite stable though, we're runnig it on a prduction server since months because we need recent multipath-tools |
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| 19:38.59 | bzed | itchi: it modifies the values in /proc/sys on boot |
| 19:39.08 | itchi | hhhmmm |
| 19:39.11 | hark | itchi: you can check /proc/sys/kernel/printk to see if the change has been accepted or something.. |
| 19:39.19 | enouf | itchi: there's tons of info if sysfsutils is installed |
| 19:39.22 | HyperDevil | bzed: this server has about 12 TB og hardware raid, we have 2 disks on SW raid that hold the OS.. |
| 19:39.24 | jelly | Rockj: probably linux-raid @ vger.kernel.org |
| 19:39.31 | dkr | bzed: I was able to alternate booting back and forth between xp and debian by modifying grub/menu.lst to "default = saved" and adding the number of the xp entry to debian savedefault, and the number of debian entry to savedefault for xp. i.e. changed "savedefault" to "savedefault 0" |
| 19:39.34 | bzed | itchi: kernel.printk in /etc/sysctl.conf will change stuff for /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
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| 19:39.46 | Rockj | jelly: Ive sent subscription mail to linux-raid on vger.kernel.org but havent received any mail back for membership. |
| 19:40.24 | itchi | bzed: It output 7 4 1 7 :-( |
| 19:40.25 | hark | !klogd |
| 19:40.25 | dpkg | klogd is probably the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload. people still use klogd? in sarge, dpkg --purge klogd sysklogd; apt-get install syslog-ng |
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| 19:40.25 | itchi | Should be 4 4 1 7 Right? |
| 19:40.25 | hark | itchi: yeah, now try with the -p switch |
| 19:40.26 | jelly | Rockj: I think those lists are open for non subscribers like lkml, just make sure they CC you |
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| 19:40.26 | enouf | itchi: bah .. I'm confusing you .. they're related, but not wuite the same |
| 19:40.30 | enouf | s/wuite/quite |
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| 19:40.46 | ciga | hi |
| 19:40.46 | bzed | itchi: yeah, you have to run sysctl -po to actualyl change anything :P |
| 19:40.53 | nar | hii =) |
| 19:41.02 | nar | i need some help... |
| 19:41.05 | itchi | Cool, it was been sysctl -p to reload the stuff :-) |
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| 19:41.19 | nar | who can help me with an asus a6j notebook? =) |
| 19:41.24 | Rockj | jelly: hum, you sure they are open? might worth a try. but hum. I dont have all my pastebins ive pasted here tonight. bah. |
| 19:41.27 | ciga | I have a double layered DVD-RAM (9.4GB). how do I use it with linux? |
| 19:41.28 | olsen | wtf, why does firefox in debian is called iceweasel? |
| 19:41.31 | olsen | iceweasel |
| 19:41.33 | jelly | Rockj: lkml is definitely open |
| 19:41.44 | bzed | nar: I can help to throw it out of the window |
| 19:41.46 | hark | olsen: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 19:41.50 | jelly | Rockj: this channel is also archived :-) |
| 19:41.55 | enouf | itchi: apt-get install linux-doc-2.6.18 .. then see the /Documentation/sysctl Dir |
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| 19:42.21 | itchi | enouf: Oh, i have never splend time to read the kernel docs suriously :-) |
| 19:42.27 | HymnToLife | olsen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
| 19:42.34 | itchi | Time to do it i guess :-) |
| 19:42.35 | enouf | itchi: it's nice shit babay ;-) |
| 19:42.48 | olsen | is iceweasel technically different from firefox or just the name is changed? |
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| 19:43.11 | enouf | itchi: online as well http://lxr.linux.no/source/?v=2.6.18 |
| 19:43.21 | rahul | olsen: no significant diff |
| 19:43.37 | olsen | ok |
| 19:43.39 | stew | olsen: the name and the artwork has changed. after etch releases, it will stray farther from firefox as debian adds security patches to it |
| 19:43.43 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, that link you gave me before :-) That's good stuff; and the only i have read about the kernel too :-p |
| 19:43.48 | enouf | itchi: the 'source' code is there online as well (not in the documentation) |
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| 19:43.56 | Rockj | jelly: thats kernel mailing list. but whats the email for the linux-raid at vger? and I might give it a shoot later when I'm home. to be honest with you... Im not sure I want to trouble with it. afraid of loosing disks that I can't renew on guaranty |
| 19:44.07 | jelly | Rockj: /lastlog Rockj says http://pastebin.ca/357251 http://pastebin.ca/357261 http://pastebin.ca/357284 http://pastebin.ca/357381 |
| 19:44.14 | stew | olsen: becuase debian is changing the artwork and will patch it for security fixes, mozilla doesn't want debian using the firefox trademark |
| 19:44.17 | enouf | itchi: or ou can d/l and iunstall the src using apt-get asw well |
| 19:44.23 | Rockj | jelly: you been online whole day? :) |
| 19:44.28 | enouf | itchi: s/ou/you |
| 19:44.39 | enouf | install* |
| 19:44.45 | jelly | Rockj: this irc session is always online, yes |
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| 19:44.50 | ciga | /m dpkg dvd-ram |
| 19:44.55 | itchi | enouf: To be honnest; i not understand many of these kernel stuff :-) |
| 19:44.55 | ciga | oppsz |
| 19:45.25 | enouf | itchi: stick to the /Documentation dir for now ;-) no problem |
| 19:45.39 | itchi | enouf: :-) |
| 19:45.40 | enouf | itchi: you think i know C code? .. nah :-P |
| 19:45.41 | olsen | how can i switch to unstable? |
| 19:45.48 | stew | olsen: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 19:45.49 | olsen | i should change etch for unstable in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:45.52 | itchi | enouf: Python?? :-) |
| 19:46.03 | mfrisch | olsen: if you have to ask don't do it |
| 19:46.27 | olsen | mfrisch: why not? |
| 19:46.28 | enouf | itchi: almost tried when I 1st installed debian .. but go s-o-o-o-o-o sidetracked just learning the system |
| 19:46.44 | Rockj | jelly: lovley. I'm still afraid of trying recovery tho. Though of the resize been made bigger then the hdds are able to take...might be the reason why the other disk died. but still no clue on the one..who only was powered on :P |
| 19:46.54 | mfrisch | olsen: why. what do you need to support thats in unstable? |
| 19:46.54 | stew | olsen: if you aren't sure how to upgrade to it, then you probably don't know how to fix it when it breaks |
| 19:47.09 | olsen | i want ia32-libs-gtk and is only available on "unstable" |
| 19:47.21 | olsen | stew: i will just reinstall the whole system |
| 19:47.49 | mfrisch | olsen: sounds like alot of work for nothing... |
| 19:47.49 | enouf | itchi: then found out it was an OO language .. that's not what I wanted to learn .. so still playing/stuck in the Bash sandbox .. lol .. and doesn' look like I'm graduating anytime soon |
| 19:47.52 | olsen | stew: im not a linux noob, but i am a debian noob |
| 19:48.13 | olsen | mfrisch: heh |
| 19:48.22 | itchi | enouf: hhhm, you gave me that great Bash wiki too :-) |
| 19:48.27 | stew | olsen: the reason that ia32-libs-gtk was removed from testing is that it is unusable |
| 19:48.29 | itchi | Bash FAQ* |
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| 19:48.47 | olsen | well, i really want to install firefox (32 bit) and use the flash 9 (.so) library on my ~/.mozilla/plugins so i can watch youtube videos |
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| 19:48.57 | olsen | *damn* |
| 19:48.59 | mfrisch | olsen: switch the sources.list do the dist-upgrade if it works it works |
| 19:49.00 | stew | olsen: install it into a chroot |
| 19:49.06 | stew | olsen: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 19:49.13 | enouf | olsen: you've seen/read/understood https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html .. yes?? |
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| 19:49.21 | hark | itchi: did that work? |
| 19:49.22 | jelly | Rockj: the other disk died because it died, resize has nothing to do with it |
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| 19:49.43 | jelly | Rockj: all the disk knows is read blocks and write blocks... mostly. ;-) |
| 19:50.22 | jelly | Rockj: give it a dd if=/dev/sdf of=/dev/null or dd_rescue /dev/sdf /dev/null or something |
| 19:50.27 | eldowan | I know gimp is an alternative to photoshop, but is there a good alternative to adobe fireworks? |
| 19:50.27 | itchi | hark: I need to wait to get that UPS message, that come randomly :-s Some days i not get any messages, but some days it borrow me |
| 19:50.30 | olsen | enouf: havent read that yet |
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| 19:50.34 | jelly | Rockj: that'll make it spin a bit |
| 19:50.43 | enouf | olsen: get snapping ;-) |
| 19:50.55 | hark | itchi: ah, ok :) |
| 19:50.58 | itchi | hark: It's big shit when i ssh to my box, like mostly that box i ssh to it |
| 19:51.06 | jelly | Rockj: (and read the whole plate ... you could also run badblocks or similar) |
| 19:51.21 | hark | heh, i know. it is annoying.. |
| 19:51.33 | itchi | hark: Wait, if i remove the usb cable, gona i get it?? |
| 19:51.39 | Rockj | jelly: but if the harddisk is trying to allocate out of its range, it might twatt the reading head. |
| 19:52.22 | olsen | enouf: i will do that later, i don't really need flash right now, i need to work :p |
| 19:52.31 | olsen | enouf: thanks |
| 19:52.39 | hark | itchi: don't know. But o guess, let it be for now. |
| 19:52.41 | itchi | shit, i still get the msg :-( |
| 19:52.47 | jelly | Rockj: well... C1541 drive on my old Commodore was that dumb, and I think drives from the 1970s might have been too. |
| 19:53.01 | itchi | My irssi that runs on it flash too :-s |
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| 19:53.34 | jelly | Rockj: in other words, no way dude, you have to really work your way to break hardware with software. |
| 19:53.52 | enouf | itchi: did you uncomment and restart /etc/init.d/procps.sh ? |
| 19:53.54 | itchi | Looks like /etc/sysctl.conf is not enought :-( |
| 19:53.57 | olsen | can someone *please* explain me how debian works with the stable/testing/unstable, i don't understand it that much |
| 19:54.08 | enouf | itchi: guess not :-( |
| 19:54.15 | enouf | itchi: must be Dbus messages |
| 19:54.21 | Rockj | jelly: kernel protects it now a days. hdd's are still dumb :P |
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| 19:54.27 | jelly | Rockj: nope. |
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| 19:54.29 | hark | itchi: what does cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk say? |
| 19:54.36 | enouf | itchi: through HAL and dbus and even udev .. |
| 19:54.50 | itchi | hark: 8 4 1 7 |
| 19:54.54 | stew | olsen: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 19:54.58 | itchi | hark: It was right just before :-s |
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| 19:55.09 | enouf | itchi: are you on an xterm? or true tty console? |
| 19:55.12 | itchi | hark: It was 4 4 1 7 after my change |
| 19:55.23 | itchi | enouf: xterm, screen |
| 19:55.25 | Rockj | jelly: removing the faulty satadisks from my hotswaps, going to test them on my home computer. |
| 19:55.38 | itchi | enouf: On the tty i get it also :-( |
| 19:55.42 | enouf | itchi: yep .. that's x, dbus, al, udev AFAIK |
| 19:55.52 | enouf | erm .. everywhere? |
| 19:56.02 | itchi | enouf: yup :-s |
| 19:56.08 | hark | itchi: yes, it should be 4 instead |
| 19:56.18 | itchi | enouf: That's just the problem :-) I get it everywhere |
| 19:56.20 | jelly | Rockj: IDE and SCSI disks don't even report the real geometry to the controller, they have firmware that maps it to those CHS numbers your BIOS or OS sees, have automatic bad sector remapping and other goodies. |
| 19:56.21 | enouf | itchi: wtf? .. ouch! .. i'd start swinging the sledgehammer a bit ;-) |
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| 19:56.38 | enouf | itchi: that's almost as bad as the system bell! .. lol |
| 19:56.49 | itchi | enouf: I got to many power failings some time :-( Have already killed a hdd so |
| 19:57.05 | jelly | Rockj: otherwise any ole Windows virus could break your disks |
| 19:57.13 | itchi | enouf: Yeah it beep to, but that i not care :-) |
| 19:57.26 | enouf | itchi: that's smart .. however are you powering the UPS correctly? or is it taking power from your USB bus? |
| 19:57.36 | Rockj | jelly: oki, you say something there ;-) hehehe. |
| 19:57.39 | enouf | itchi: beep is easy .. |
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| 19:58.06 | itchi | enouf: That UPS works right, just some disconnection some time. The UPS on USB is in experimental stage :-( |
| 19:58.21 | enouf | itchi: modprobe -r pcskr; echo pcspkr >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ; done |
| 19:58.33 | enouf | erm typo in the modprobe |
| 19:58.39 | itchi | It's a MGE UPS Protection Center 675 |
| 19:58.40 | enouf | add a p |
| 19:58.44 | Rockj | I'll be back in half a hour. Tripping home from school to write my essay to the raid-maililng list there. |
| 19:58.55 | itchi | enouf: I like noise :-) |
| 19:59.02 | jelly | Rockj: I'm going away now too. fwiw, I think it's very possible to get your data back online, just need to investigate more |
| 19:59.17 | itchi | enouf: (But have add it on my note to) |
| 19:59.37 | itchi | enouf: Good to know for the server |
| 19:59.40 | enouf | itchi: make sure your connections and cables are all nice and tight fitting, and that nothing is getting too hot .. lift devicces off floor/desk a bit if necessary .. prop them up a bit |
| 20:00.12 | enouf | itchi: just remember you can always /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 20:00.42 | itchi | enouf: Everythings is fine about that. It's know that the stuff get a little disconnection some time ... I not care that he disconnect for a second, just these message in all my consoles or tty |
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| 20:00.56 | jjoseph | Use use automount to mount my ipod on connection to /media/ipod. How can I read that in a chroot enviro? I've tried mount -bind /media/ipod /var/chroot/sid-ia32/media/ipod/. Works, but doesn't seem to last. |
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| 20:01.31 | enouf | itchi: well ... ok .. but still .. it should NOT be doing that .. maybe it's a /sys/power/* setting of some sort |
| 20:01.43 | stew | jjoseph: doesn't seem to last meanning what? goes away when it gets unmounted? when you reboot? |
| 20:02.10 | enouf | itchi: make SURE you check that it doesn't always occur at the same time of day .. etc .. any kind of pattern means it's a setting somewhere |
| 20:02.18 | ciga | I have a double layered DVD-RAM (9.4GB). how do I use it with Linux? |
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| 20:02.54 | enouf | ciga: haven't burned one yet .. but maybe growisofs |
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| 20:03.02 | enouf | ciga: hang a sec |
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| 20:03.22 | jjoseph | stew, Goes away on unmounting/remounting. |
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| 20:03.33 | itchi | enouf: It's randomly :-s |
| 20:03.44 | stew | jjoseph: what is auto-mounting the ipod? |
| 20:04.15 | stew | jjoseph: g-v-m? autofs? ivman? |
| 20:04.23 | jjoseph | stew, autofs |
| 20:04.54 | stew | jeez i don't remember autofs |
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| 20:05.28 | jjoseph | stew, I could try another way. |
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| 20:05.54 | Quibus | Hi all, I connected a joystick to my SBLive joystick port, when the PC was on. Can I make it usable for apps or 'see' it detected somewhere? |
| 20:06.41 | bzed | jjoseph: you ahve to do bind mounts after mountig the device to some place of course. but you could directly mount it into the chroot |
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| 20:08.08 | dav_ | elo |
| 20:08.39 | ciga | enouf: DVD-RAMs don't need to be burned. fdisk, mkfs, mount, cp |
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| 20:08.46 | dav_ | i have a strange problem with k3b, i canwrite every kind of cd or dvd but when i use a DVD RW i have the following error from k3b -[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=64h/ACQ=00h]: Input/output error |
| 20:08.46 | dav_ | :-( attempt to re-run with -dvd-compat -dvd-compat to engage DAO or apply full blanking procedure |
| 20:08.46 | dav_ | :-( write failed: Input/output error |
| 20:08.56 | jjoseph | bzed, Directly mount it, meaning become root chroot to the dir, mount it then use it? Can this automatic, ie in fstab? |
| 20:09.17 | dav_ | someone know where it cld comes from, i have look on google but find nothing that can resolv that |
| 20:09.37 | ciga | enouf: what I don't know: how to get advantage from the double layer. |
| 20:09.59 | ciga | or is it possible at all... |
| 20:10.05 | enouf | ciga: perhaps, perhaps not :-( http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/-RW/ |
| 20:10.22 | olsen | if i want to always have bleeding edge on debian what shall i do? |
| 20:10.43 | olsen | bleeding edge packages |
| 20:10.59 | olsen | run unstable? |
| 20:11.00 | enouf | ciga: http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ and use Find feature to locate "dual" and read about the Dual Layer capabilities (or not) .. I'm reading now too |
| 20:11.02 | bzed | jjoseph: you'd have to mount it before chaging into the chroot, or use soem script to mount it |
| 20:11.21 | enouf | olsen: you want to bleed? :-) |
| 20:11.26 | enouf | !break olsen |
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| 20:11.35 | bzed | jjoseph: you could probably talk udev into runnign some script which mounts it |
| 20:11.55 | stew | jjoseph: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:11.59 | nar- | someone can help me to activate my wlan board on an asus a6j? :\ |
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| 20:12.30 | jjoseph | stew, etch debian-amd64 and sid-32 in the chroot. |
| 20:12.41 | nar- | /j etch |
| 20:12.45 | nar- | - |
| 20:12.48 | enouf | dav_: man growisofs .. and all the urls I just posted have the info .. btw .. what kernel? uname -r |
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| 20:13.13 | dav_ | enouf: 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 20:13.41 | enouf | dav_: ok .. that's fine .. dvd +R/RW is entiorely diff than -R/RW |
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| 20:13.44 | stew | jjoseph: you could run ivman, it should automount the drive for you, out of the box. ivman would get a trigger when that mount happens which you could configure to do the bind mount. |
| 20:13.56 | enouf | dav_: see those urls? .. go .. ;-) |
| 20:13.57 | dav_ | enouf: but i have resolved the problem :) simply with K3b before burning you have to choose somehting like burning type you have Auto, Overwrite, DAO, etc... just have to chosse overwrite and now it seems to work |
| 20:14.19 | enouf | dak3b is a mere frontend to those tools I mention above |
| 20:14.20 | jjoseph | stew, ivman, I haven't tried it, I'll check it out. |
| 20:14.32 | enouf | er dav_ k3b is ... |
| 20:14.35 | dav_ | enouf: this is strange but k3b doent seem to work with the Auto mode for RW |
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| 20:15.06 | dav_ | enouf: i know it s just a Gui interface, but the commands are executed in background i know :) |
| 20:15.17 | nar- | .. |
| 20:15.24 | nar- | noone can help me? :\ |
| 20:15.39 | jeff_ | anyone ever use a Broadcom 4328 (802.11n) successfully? :) |
| 20:16.10 | abrotman | ndiswrapper ? |
| 20:16.11 | Ronin | nar-: you didnt really ask anything, just a general cry for help |
| 20:16.18 | abrotman | jeff_: or ask #wireless |
| 20:16.24 | jjoseph | stew, Maybe a script is the answer. I just thought maybe there was some funky mnt option I could put in fstab that I didn't know about, I bet I can get autofs to run a script to do the bind mnt and that would fix it. |
| 20:16.29 | jeff_ | i ordered a lenovo 3000 n100 expecting perhaps an intel wireless card and got slapped with a friggin broadcom, exactly what i didn't want |
| 20:16.42 | stew | jjoseph: yeah, if you know how to add a script to autofs, go for it |
| 20:16.57 | stew | jjoseph: there is no such way in fstab |
| 20:17.04 | enouf | dav_: that's a k3b issue likely .. see #kde or #debian-kde or whatever .. try http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 20:17.08 | jeff_ | abrotman: i've kindof tried ndiswrapper, it always whines that i'm using the incorrect driver (i've setup broadcom 43xx's before, but not this model.. i tried a similar approach to no luck) |
| 20:17.35 | itchi | dav_: T'checkout the lots of k3b bugs |
| 20:17.46 | abrotman | jeff_: does the broadcom site mention linux support ? |
| 20:17.49 | nar- | Ronin |
| 20:17.51 | Guerin | ndiscrapper FTL |
| 20:17.54 | nar- | someone can help me to activate my wlan board on an asus a6j? :\ |
| 20:17.56 | Guerin | use a proper card |
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| 20:17.58 | jeff_ | abrotman: probably not |
| 20:18.06 | abrotman | !lart broadcom |
| 20:18.09 | jeff_ | Guerin: usign a proper card is not really an option always |
| 20:18.13 | enouf | dav_: learn to use growisfs from the cli manually and see if you can get it to work .. then you know or not if it's a k3b isssue |
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| 20:18.29 | Guerin | jeff_: sure it is. Just not always the *cheapest* option. |
| 20:18.36 | snowbird | i have soundblaster card but its not showning up as sound blaster |
| 20:18.59 | Guerin | jeff_: this is a simple time/effort :: money utility calculation |
| 20:19.11 | enouf | snowbird: lspci | grep -i multimedia says what |
| 20:19.13 | jjoseph | stew, Soon as I get it working gtkpod will be working in etch again, then I won't need it. Suppose I'll keep the chroot around untill amd64 has flash plugins..etc working as wel anyway. |
| 20:19.16 | jeff_ | heh, awesome... looks un-promising: http://bcm43xx.spugna.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=6af3a8d802baa721198ba7356e8b786f&topic=169.0 |
| 20:19.52 | jeff_ | Guerin: what,a re you suggesting i buy a pcmcia wireless adapter? |
| 20:20.10 | pickcoder | I still have to wonder how anything "draft" made it into production equipment |
| 20:20.16 | enouf | jeff_: you know firmware goes into /lib/firmware yes? |
| 20:20.17 | snowbird | enouf Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 08 |
| 20:20.22 | jeff_ | enouf: yeah |
| 20:20.27 | enouf | snowbird: ok .. and? |
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| 20:20.35 | jeff_ | pickcoder: you and i both |
| 20:20.36 | xeQter | Hi |
| 20:20.40 | jeff_ | i was hoping it'd come with something intel-based |
| 20:20.44 | snowbird | shouldnt it say sound blaster? |
| 20:20.51 | Guerin | jeff_: if you think the amount of time/effort you'll expend setting this up and dealing with ndiscrapper being really shit will be more than the $30 or so you'll spend, yes. |
| 20:20.51 | snowbird | so alsa can give it driver |
| 20:20.53 | jeff_ | their site didn't list a full read-out of the wireless card's stats.. |
| 20:20.54 | enouf | no .. not really .. |
| 20:21.16 | jeff_ | Guerin: i have no idea what pcmcia cards work to begin with though,a nd i'm not one to buy and experiment |
| 20:21.26 | stew | snowbird: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:21.33 | xeQter | dunno |
| 20:21.36 | snowbird | set up sound card |
| 20:21.48 | enouf | snowbird: lsmod | grep snd <-- put that into a pastebin, along with cat /debian_version output and uname -r |
| 20:21.57 | pickcoder | jeff_: any of the orinoco/wavelan based cards will work out of the box |
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| 20:22.11 | Guerin | jeff_: you DID buy and experiment with a broadcom |
| 20:22.13 | pickcoder | there are also usb adapters that are supported |
| 20:22.32 | jeff_ | Guerin: no, i didn't intentionally buy a broadcom :P |
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| 20:22.47 | Guerin | i recommend rt2500 if you don't need it to run master mode |
| 20:22.53 | jeff_ | Guerin: a few models in the n100 line of lenovo laptops said centrino, so i was assuming this'd be the same |
| 20:23.07 | enouf | !wireless |
| 20:23.08 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 20:23.11 | snowbird | that comand dont work |
| 20:23.24 | enouf | snowbird: which one? |
| 20:23.29 | snowbird | both |
| 20:23.39 | enouf | oops snowbird sorry .. cat /etc/debian_veersion |
| 20:23.40 | Guerin | jeff_: haha |
| 20:23.42 | enouf | bah! |
| 20:23.46 | enouf | oops snowbird sorry .. cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:24.03 | hark | !typosmite enouf |
| 20:24.15 | enouf | !fingersfreddy |
| 20:24.20 | nar- | /join #wireless |
| 20:24.23 | snowbird | stil not working |
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| 20:24.31 | karsten | Is there a VNC viewer that supports scaling of large displays to smaller sizes? |
| 20:24.41 | hark | snowbird: copy and paste it... |
| 20:24.47 | rahul | karsten: like a virtual screen in X? |
| 20:24.50 | snowbird | did hark |
| 20:24.52 | enouf | snowbird: hehe .. there are 3 .. both eh? .. that's funny |
| 20:24.54 | mike1980 | Hi guys I want to set up aptitude to grab packs from a files system. My question is will aptitude look in all of say "hdb/pool" in n,s,a,b,c,main and so on or do I have to point it directly to the pack I want to add? |
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| 20:25.20 | karsten | rahul: No, rescaling. More pixels in fewer. Some of the Windows VNC clients do that. |
| 20:25.35 | Guerin | mike1980: WTF are you on about? |
| 20:25.36 | enouf | snowbird: you're running REdhat? |
| 20:25.37 | mx-zoom | hey... I'm getting this error message when compiling everything that requires aclocal "aclocal: autom4te failed with exit status: 1" |
| 20:25.38 | stew | snowbird: so sound works, you just lose your settings after a reboot? or what? |
| 20:25.39 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.40 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.51 | Guerin | karsten: use beryl! |
| 20:25.53 | stew | sweet, an install without cat? |
| 20:25.55 | snowbird | yes stew i loose setting after reeboot |
| 20:25.55 | mike1980 | Guerin: just what I said lol |
| 20:26.03 | karsten | rahul: I've got 1452x1100 on a 1280x1024 monitor |
| 20:26.04 | stew | snowbird: what do you do to get your settings back? |
| 20:26.06 | snowbird | and its not showning up as sound blaster |
| 20:26.11 | karsten | Guerin: She turned me down. |
| 20:26.18 | snowbird | i re run alsa to get sound back |
| 20:26.18 | mike1980 | Guerin: aptitude source list |
| 20:26.18 | hark | snowbird: Cat /proc/version or uname -a |
| 20:26.24 | x_link | Please anybody |
| 20:26.27 | stew | snowbird: what command do you run? |
| 20:26.32 | Guerin | karsten: snooty tart. My 3d card wasn't big enough, she claimed. |
| 20:26.37 | x_link | Is there anything you know that I could try with installing Debian Etch? |
| 20:26.44 | enouf | !hurry |
| 20:26.44 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 20:26.45 | x_link | Coming to Installing Basesystem |
| 20:26.45 | rahul | karsten: oh, hrm |
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| 20:26.59 | Guerin | mike1980: i still have *absolutely* no fucking clue what you're trying to achieve |
| 20:27.00 | jeff_ | hmm, i wonder if i could find a mini pci replacement to the current broadcom card i have... |
| 20:27.03 | x_link | THen it comes to the window where I Choose Desktop And I think it's Laptop. |
| 20:27.04 | snowbird | hank alsaconf |
| 20:27.07 | x_link | AFter that it doesn't install |
| 20:27.07 | docelic | Folks, what are those commands like ebegin, einfo, eend? where do they come from , which package ? |
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| 20:27.16 | pickcoder | snowbird:what does PATH say for "env" |
| 20:27.27 | Guerin | docelic: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:27.28 | snowbird | lokking |
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| 20:27.32 | stew | snowbird: is it working right now or not? |
| 20:27.36 | clustu | which package has the C functions man pages |
| 20:27.37 | clustu | ? |
| 20:27.40 | snowbird | no stew |
| 20:27.42 | stew | clustu: manpages-dev |
| 20:27.43 | enouf | wtf? |
| 20:27.44 | docelic | clustu, manpages-dev |
| 20:27.44 | hark | manpages-dev |
| 20:27.46 | clustu | thanx |
| 20:28.28 | pickcoder | atleast /bin should be in the PATH |
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| 20:28.28 | karsten | rahul: We're using this for a conf call, one of the devs apparently has a very large display and likes to show off. |
| 20:28.29 | snowbird | cat proc unsermane not work eiter |
| 20:28.29 | stew | snowbird: can you put the output of "lsmod" into a pastebin? |
| 20:28.29 | rahul | heh |
| 20:28.29 | mike1980 | Guerin: I want to tell aptitude to look for installable packages on a harddrive |
| 20:28.29 | enouf | hark == hank ;-) .. nice to meet cha hank |
| 20:28.29 | rahul | what a tool. |
| 20:28.31 | Guerin | mike1980: then you want to use apt-proxy, apt-cacher or debmirror |
| 20:28.39 | hark | atleast i'm not a hanky ;) |
| 20:28.45 | Guerin | mike1980: you certainly don't want to just use wget to grab them all |
| 20:28.48 | stew | mike1980: or apt-move or apt-zip possibly |
| 20:29.01 | enouf | hark: who goes there? :-P |
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| 20:29.13 | stew | mike1980: why are you putting .debs directly onto your hard drive instead of using apt-get? |
| 20:29.18 | x_link | Networkmirror, there I choose first Yes to use it, then Sweden ---> ftp.se.debian.org |
| 20:29.29 | x_link | AFter that my Debian Etch installating doesn't continue |
| 20:29.39 | mike1980 | Guerin: well waht about if I add the directory to the source list and do apt-get update |
| 20:29.40 | Guerin | x_link: using rc1? |
| 20:29.41 | enouf | x-spec-ting: try a different mirror |
| 20:29.41 | stew | x_link: what version of the installer are you using? |
| 20:29.49 | Guerin | mike1980: man sources.list |
| 20:29.53 | x_link | I don't know, same as I have always been using |
| 20:29.57 | enouf | er x_link .. apologies x-spec-ting |
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| 20:30.01 | Guerin | mike1980: you need to know absolutely nothing about |
| 20:30.01 | x_link | Now I'm using this kubuntu live cd |
| 20:30.01 | snowbird | were is link for paste |
| 20:30.12 | Guerin | mike1980: the structure of repos. |
| 20:30.13 | enouf | x_link: stop that! |
| 20:30.14 | stew | mike1980: you'd have to create an actual repository |
| 20:30.15 | x_link | So I can't download anything now and burn it. |
| 20:30.19 | x_link | enouf: ? |
| 20:30.22 | x_link | Stop what? |
| 20:30.27 | enouf | !tell snowbird -about paster |
| 20:30.38 | stew | snowbird: paste.debian.net |
| 20:30.44 | Guerin | x_link: ok. You have a base install set then? |
| 20:30.52 | x_link | I tried other mirrors... |
| 20:30.58 | stew | x_link: what version of the installer are you using? |
| 20:31.03 | enouf | x_link: you're using debootstrap then? |
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| 20:31.28 | mike1980 | Guerin: well aptitude ask me if I want to add a cd to the source but can I point it to a file structure |
| 20:31.29 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.31 | x_link | enouf: I don't know. |
| 20:31.31 | snowbird | got it? |
| 20:31.34 | snowbird | i paasted |
| 20:31.38 | x_link | I will find the file I'm using |
| 20:31.55 | stew | x_link: the etch rc1 installer is known to be broken. use a daily build |
| 20:31.58 | Guerin | mike1980: man sources.list |
| 20:32.09 | Guerin | mike1980: read ... before you ask any more questions. |
| 20:32.13 | snowbird | stew |
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| 20:32.30 | Guerin | snowbird: don't be so clingy |
| 20:32.34 | snowbird | what? |
| 20:32.40 | snowbird | clingy? |
| 20:32.41 | x_link | stew: I had this debian cd for a long time, I downloaded it for like 6 months ago. |
| 20:32.46 | x_link | So I don't think it's something new |
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| 20:32.51 | mike1980 | Guerin: I don't think anyone know what I am taking about so don't worry about it thanks anyways |
| 20:32.53 | Guerin | snowbird: you're like a kitten: `stew, stewwwe, stewwe' |
| 20:32.54 | stew | snowbird: thats the entire output? |
| 20:33.01 | stew | Guerin: use ignore |
| 20:33.01 | snowbird | yes |
| 20:33.18 | stew | x_link: get a new one |
| 20:33.33 | stew | snowbird: can you run alsaconf and show me the output again afterwards? |
| 20:33.35 | x_link | stew: New cd? |
| 20:33.40 | enouf | x_link: yes! |
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| 20:33.43 | x_link | ok |
| 20:33.43 | snowbird | yes stew |
| 20:33.45 | enouf | x_link: daily build |
| 20:33.46 | stew | x_link: new version of the etch installer. get one of the daily builds |
| 20:33.55 | x_link | I will try to find it. |
| 20:34.00 | x_link | Thanks alot !!! I really appreicate it. |
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| 20:34.14 | enouf | x_link: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 20:34.19 | x_link | Thanks! |
| 20:34.24 | x_link | BAAH |
| 20:34.36 | snowbird | stew alsaconf running what u want |
| 20:34.40 | x_link | I just remembered, I can't burn it. Since the kubuntu live cd is in my burner |
| 20:34.42 | x_link | =/ |
| 20:34.42 | enouf | did I typosmite again? |
| 20:35.01 | stew | snowbird: after you run alsaconf, and your sound card is working, run lsmod again, and show me the output |
| 20:35.05 | Guerin | x_link: it'll let you tatke it out to burn |
| 20:35.12 | x_link | Guerin: Ok |
| 20:35.53 | x_link | Guerin: I should choose i386 right? |
| 20:36.01 | x_link | stew: debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 20:36.21 | stew | x_link: do you have a 64 bit system or a 32 bit system? |
| 20:36.22 | x_link | i386, I burned that file a long time ago. For 6 months ago. That's the one I'm using now. |
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| 20:36.36 | enouf | x_link: as root mkdir /mnt/mydebiso .. d/l the ISO .. atleast you'll have it .. also note KNOPPIX (not sure if k/ubuntu) allow you to use tohd= and fromhd= cheatcodes .. go google |
| 20:36.42 | x_link | stew: 32, but I heard the 64bit debian is not done yet, so it's not very good? |
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| 20:37.11 | stew | x_link: its no less done than the 32 bit version. if you have a 32 bit computer you want i386 |
| 20:37.30 | x_link | hrmm |
| 20:37.32 | enouf | x_link: as root mkdir /mnt/mydebiso (then exit root) .. then d/l the ISO into that dir .. for safe keeping |
| 20:37.38 | mx-zoom | hey... I'm getting this error message when compiling everything that requires aclocal "aclocal: autom4te failed with exit status: 1". any ideas? I'v already reinstalled autoconf and automake |
| 20:37.39 | snowbird | stew its pasteeeeed |
| 20:37.43 | x_link | enouf: ok |
| 20:37.47 | x_link | I will stop the download now then |
| 20:37.47 | Quibus | Asking again: I connected a joystick to my SBLive joystick port, when the PC was on. Can I make it usable for apps or 'see' it detected somewhere? |
| 20:37.51 | x_link | stew: I have amd64 |
| 20:37.52 | mazzanet | herro |
| 20:37.57 | x_link | But I will get the i386 anyway |
| 20:38.00 | x_link | Have always been using that |
| 20:38.02 | mazzanet | how can i get a list of all the packages currently installed? |
| 20:38.06 | snowbird | stew got paste? |
| 20:38.10 | sepski | mazzanet, dpkg -la |
| 20:38.17 | hark | !installed |
| 20:38.17 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 20:38.17 | stew | snowbird: what is the url to the new paste? |
| 20:38.26 | sepski | well that will also include some more, but that's nice to know |
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| 20:38.52 | mazzanet | apt search -F '%1--[ |
| 20:38.55 | mazzanet | doh |
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| 20:39.49 | snowbird | stew http://channels.debian.net/paste/5397. |
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| 20:40.13 | stew | snowbird: that is the same as before |
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| 20:40.41 | snowbird | odd |
| 20:40.50 | stew | snowbird: this means that you probably didn't give me the entire output of lsmod either time (which i suspeceted, which is why i asked "thats the entite output?" |
| 20:41.19 | x_link | enouf: /home/ubuntu/Debiso |
| 20:41.22 | x_link | I have the file there now |
| 20:41.25 | snowbird | il re doo it |
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| 20:41.38 | stew | snowbird: if your sound is working now then you DEFINATELY didn't give me the entire ouptut since now you have a bunch of modules named "snd_..." loaded |
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| 20:42.49 | enouf | x_link: add another .. or whatever |
| 20:42.51 | snowbird | stew can i just paste sound modules |
| 20:42.55 | snowbird | looks to big to paste |
| 20:43.00 | x_link | enouf: Add another what? |
| 20:43.01 | enouf | x_link: or you're d/l ing? |
| 20:43.08 | x_link | I'm done with the download |
| 20:43.13 | enouf | x_link: ok |
| 20:43.15 | x_link | /home/ubuntu/Debiso the debian file is there now |
| 20:43.26 | enouf | x_link: how big is it? |
| 20:43.46 | enouf | x_link: actually what's it's name |
| 20:43.49 | nar- | someone can help me to activate my wlan board on an asus a6j? :\ |
| 20:44.15 | x_link | enouf: 159.8MB |
| 20:44.20 | enouf | x_link: have you not yet figured out how "exacting" you must be when discussing tshooting? .. :-) |
| 20:44.32 | x_link | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 20:44.33 | enouf | x_link: sounds like thte netinstaller .. w00t |
| 20:44.53 | enouf | x_link: ok .. burn that puppy |
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| 20:45.04 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.20 | enouf | x_link: just do NOT do anything else while burning |
| 20:45.26 | x_link | enouf: But can I take out my live cd? |
| 20:45.50 | stew | snowbird: show me the sound related modules when its not working |
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| 20:45.58 | enouf | x_link: anythign that'll cause the live system want to try and grab files from the Live CD .. which is No longer in your drive once you start burning |
| 20:45.58 | snowbird | ok |
| 20:46.04 | stew | snowbird: or better yet, show me all of the modules when its not working |
| 20:46.15 | enouf | x_link: start burning .. see if it prompts you |
| 20:46.17 | snowbird | i sent u them now stew should they be sound blaster? |
| 20:46.31 | stew | snowbird: that is soundblaster |
| 20:46.41 | snowbird | ok |
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| 20:47.01 | x_link | Can't open the cd |
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| 20:47.07 | snowbird | why wont it hold setting? |
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| 20:47.21 | stew | snowbird: i dunno, what sound modules are loaded when it isn't working? |
| 20:47.22 | enouf | snowbird: I have what you have here .. |
| 20:47.29 | x_link | enouf: I can't opent he cd at all |
| 20:47.32 | snowbird | ok |
| 20:48.02 | enouf | 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06) that's my SB |
| 20:48.06 | nk | is there a tool lthat let's me easyily display all the clients connected to my linux-box and how much traffic/bandwith they are using at the time? |
| 20:48.10 | snowbird | thanks |
| 20:48.23 | enouf | x_link: start the k3b app up |
| 20:48.28 | x_link | I have it open |
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| 20:48.39 | x_link | I choosed Burn CD Image then I choose the .iso file |
| 20:48.54 | enouf | x_link: then try to burn it .. the app will tell you it can't because the other cd is there .. then remove/replce it with a blank |
| 20:49.01 | x_link | Now a window came up which wants me to put in a cd, Load Eject Force Cancel |
| 20:49.06 | Ankman | close |
| 20:49.07 | Ankman | Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1969 Solo-1 Audiodrive |
| 20:49.13 | Guerin | x_link: ask #ubuntu about this bit |
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| 20:49.22 | x_link | Guerin: ok |
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| 20:49.32 | Guerin | I've personally burnt CDs using a livecd, so it should work, I just forget exactly how. |
| 20:49.43 | enouf | Load |
| 20:49.50 | x_link | enouf: Doesn't work |
| 20:50.00 | enouf | x_link: go where Guerin said |
| 20:50.03 | x_link | I wil |
| 20:50.04 | enouf | bah |
| 20:50.10 | enouf | ok |
| 20:50.14 | Guerin | Ankman: you have my condolences. |
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| 20:50.34 | scratch_ | hi, i was going to do a etch netinstall but was wondering if utf-8 is enabled by default |
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| 20:50.46 | Guerin | scratch_: it is, yes. |
| 20:51.14 | Guerin | (presuming it exists for your locale) |
| 20:52.00 | scratch_ | Guerin: thanks...how is console utf-8 support? my current distro, arch, it's not so good |
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| 20:53.09 | x_link | They say it doesn't work |
| 20:53.23 | alexIdoia | anyone using bluefish here ? I was wondering if there were a way to add a ftp server |
| 20:53.27 | x_link | That if I have a burning app on my live cd that then I could try to take the live cd out |
| 20:53.31 | x_link | But that doesn't work |
| 20:54.01 | Guerin | scratch_: well, console utf-8 support *anywhere* isn't good since the console can only support 512 (?) characters |
| 20:54.04 | enouf | 12741371 Yes Ensoniq Creative Sound Blaster AudioPCI64V, AudioPCI128 snd-ens1371,es1371 |
| 20:54.08 | Guerin | glyphs, I mean |
| 20:54.11 | enouf | snowbird: ^^^ |
| 20:55.58 | x_link | This will not work then |
| 20:56.02 | h3sp4wn | x_link: If you have enough ram you could get a livecd that loads itself into a ramdisk first |
| 20:56.11 | Guerin | yeh |
| 20:56.15 | x_link | I just have 512MB RAM |
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| 20:57.02 | Guerin | x_link: i think the rc1 does give you a functional system - just need to finish the install manually |
| 20:57.17 | enouf | x_link: try #kubuntu .. see if they know .. as I said knoppix has the tohd= fromhd= bootup cheatcode so you can do exactly what you're trying to do |
| 20:57.20 | Guerin | the problem is the archive key, iirc |
| 20:57.26 | x_link | enouf: Asked there as well |
| 20:57.36 | x_link | I will try something now |
| 20:57.48 | stew | yeah, theoretically one could pop over to a vt, and follow instructions in /msg dpkg etch key |
| 20:58.03 | ciga | /lastlog ciga |
| 20:58.17 | asg | ciga: a little vain aren't we |
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| 20:58.57 | stew | i'll bet you think this /msg is about you |
| 20:59.00 | h3sp4wn | The rc1 net install works fine as long as you don't enable the network until after the first reboot |
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| 20:59.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:59.07 | enouf | Guerin: I've booted knoppix and removed CD entirely .. the ISO gets copied to HDD, which also makes it run a bit faster |
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| 20:59.46 | Guerin | yeh ... istr the ubuntards breaking all the standard things which make knoppix good - like the ability to boot into text mode, etc. |
| 20:59.49 | ciga | asg: it seems that I won't get an answer. |
| 20:59.59 | enouf | Guerin: with 192MB ram even .. again .. the whole CD (or that huge /KNOPPIX/knoppix file) is on the HDD then |
| 21:00.18 | streuner | !grml |
| 21:00.19 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. |
| 21:00.25 | enouf | Guerin: hehe .. I call it gnubooboo |
| 21:00.46 | HardDisk_WP | !info mc etch |
| 21:01.02 | dpkg | mc: (midnight commander - a powerful file manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:4.6.1-6 (etch), Packaged size: 2087 kB, Installed size: 5396 kB |
| 21:01.05 | enouf | streuner: do you know if it incorporates the fromhd=/dev/hdX and tohd=/dev/hdX bootup cheatcodes? |
| 21:01.16 | enouf | streuner: invert that though ;-) |
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| 21:01.50 | enouf | IOW tohd= first naturally ... then fromhd= to boot |
| 21:01.51 | stew | cakebutt? |
| 21:02.00 | enouf | what?! |
| 21:02.01 | rahul | cakebutt? |
| 21:02.05 | enouf | stale fondue? |
| 21:02.08 | rahul | heh |
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| 21:02.11 | stew | mmm |
| 21:02.14 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 21:02.14 | rahul | buttcake? |
| 21:02.23 | rahul | cake fondue? |
| 21:02.48 | simonrvn | where you stick a cake in cheese fondue |
| 21:02.57 | simonrvn | or chocolate |
| 21:03.01 | rahul | mmm |
| 21:03.03 | rahul | yeah |
| 21:03.07 | Reiser_X | anybody here have Canon scanner experience under Debian? |
| 21:03.08 | streuner | enouf: wth you wanna do? |
| 21:03.09 | rahul | cake in chocolate fondue |
| 21:03.20 | enouf | streuner: Lets Eat! |
| 21:03.20 | rahul | let's not discuss butt fondue :P |
| 21:03.25 | simonrvn | holy, sounds like a diabetic's worst nightmare |
| 21:03.29 | capiira | yeah me |
| 21:03.31 | rahul | hehe |
| 21:03.35 | rahul | simonrvn: yeah, probably |
| 21:03.37 | streuner | simonrvn: hehe |
| 21:03.40 | capiira | works fine my canon lide 20 |
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| 21:03.53 | enouf | streuner: hold a sec .. I'll get the info |
| 21:03.59 | Reiser_X | i have Canon 3300 |
| 21:04.11 | Reiser_X | but don't know how to configure |
| 21:04.23 | Guerin | Canon are evil |
| 21:04.30 | dav_ | one of you ever tried to use the UseNext Share File system with linux ? |
| 21:04.36 | capiira | hmm did you enable scan right? |
| 21:04.41 | enouf | streuner: go here http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Cheat_Codes find the tohd and fromhd info |
| 21:04.51 | Guerin | !anyone use the UseNext Share File system with linux ? |
| 21:04.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses the UseNext Share File system with linux, not even the people who use it. |
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| 21:05.10 | Reiser_X | capiira: where? |
| 21:05.17 | enouf | With this cheatcode the CD-Roms are ignored, so you can finally boot your "poor mans install" with just the original cdrom. Version 2003-09-05 and later. note - Cheatcode "toram" and "fromhd" work now together. Usage fromhd=/dev/hda1 |
| 21:05.20 | capiira | you need to enable the scan permission in users and groups |
| 21:05.41 | Reiser_X | but |
| 21:05.41 | Reiser_X | how to install drivers |
| 21:05.45 | Reiser_X | how to configure scanner? |
| 21:05.51 | enouf | streuner: for ex; bootfrom=/dev/hda1 Access Image then boot from previously copied CD-Image (enables booting from NTFS / ReiserFS) - Knoppix V3.4 |
| 21:05.54 | capiira | desktop > administration > users and groups |
| 21:06.05 | capiira | i installed nothing |
| 21:06.14 | capiira | xsane auto configure |
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| 21:06.22 | enouf | streuner: but dismiss the cakebutt Xpoopcrapola |
| 21:07.21 | Reiser_X | CanoScan 3000 USB 0x04a9/0x2215 Unsupported GL660+GL646 based. unsupported |
| 21:07.21 | Reiser_X | (2006-06-22) |
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| 21:07.35 | capiira | oh |
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| 21:08.04 | capiira | scan permission is enabled ? |
| 21:08.10 | wwallace_lap | enouf: im on the market for new cpu mobo and video card can you recomend ? |
| 21:08.18 | plb | I have a NForce RAID configured for RAID5 and I cannot get it to be recognized by Linux |
| 21:08.21 | Guerin | Reiser_X: canon are shit. Take it back and get a real printer. |
| 21:08.31 | capiira | lol |
| 21:08.34 | capiira | its a scanner |
| 21:08.40 | Guerin | same-same |
| 21:08.40 | jeff_ | Guerin: any experience with mini pci wireless cards? ;) |
| 21:08.56 | plb | jeff_: which one? |
| 21:08.56 | Guerin | jeff_: nope, i only own a proper PCI and one built into my laptop |
| 21:08.57 | enouf | wwallace_lap: hrm .. haven't looked lately .. for a gamer with high end video card? mucho encoding? d/l torrents? |
| 21:08.57 | wwallace_lap | guerin can you recomend cpu mobo and video card? |
| 21:08.58 | jeff_ | i.e. some that work well with debian etc |
| 21:09.11 | jeff_ | plb: any that work well with linux |
| 21:09.12 | wwallace_lap | im not into games |
| 21:09.18 | wwallace_lap | i download torrents |
| 21:09.19 | Guerin | wwallace_lap: intel are good - just not too new. |
| 21:09.22 | plb | jeff_: avoid the Dell ones |
| 21:09.23 | wwallace_lap | i play a lot of music |
| 21:09.24 | rahul | jeff_: well, chipset is what matters, not the size of the traces on the board |
| 21:09.24 | jeff_ | plb: debating on replacing my mini pci one that came with my laptop |
| 21:09.34 | capiira | never used it before |
| 21:09.37 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
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| 21:09.45 | Guerin | jeff_: rt2500, intel 2100,2200,3945 are supposedly decent |
| 21:09.57 | h3sp4wn | jeff_: atheros stuff works very well (ubiquiti make the best cards but are quite expensive) - |
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| 21:10.05 | enouf | wwallace_lap: any AMD64 X2 s939 system will be affordable and get you Dual cores |
| 21:10.05 | plb | jeff_: my old Toshiba has an intel one that worked flawlessly |
| 21:10.14 | itchi | jeff_: I have a built-in ipw3945 (Intel), works like a charm |
| 21:10.16 | wwallace_lap | thats what i have now |
| 21:10.17 | jeff_ | i wonder where you can buy an intel one though.. |
| 21:10.18 | wwallace_lap | enouf: |
| 21:10.37 | enouf | wwallace_lap: AM2 is a one stop socket, but uses DDR2 RAM so faster |
| 21:10.41 | wwallace_lap | x2 3800 |
| 21:10.45 | wwallace_lap | changing |
| 21:10.46 | enouf | fine! |
| 21:10.49 | plb | so any ideas about nforce raid under debian? |
| 21:11.00 | enouf | what? |
| 21:11.02 | Guerin | plb: nforce raid isn't actually hardware raid |
| 21:11.06 | wwallace_lap | my sister is buying that from me |
| 21:11.09 | plb | Guerin: I know |
| 21:11.14 | wwallace_lap | so i wanna go a little sfaster |
| 21:11.22 | plb | Guerin: but I need it to work regardless |
| 21:11.26 | Guerin | plb: so you're probably better off just turning it off in bios and using the linux software raid |
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| 21:11.34 | jeff_ | hmm |
| 21:11.36 | Guerin | i don't know how to do this |
| 21:11.39 | enouf | wwallace_lap: oh .. you want Core2DuosoloDuocore2wuadpumpedsoloDuo2duocore |
| 21:11.44 | plb | Guerin: hrm.. |
| 21:11.46 | stew | plb: see if dmraid supports your card |
| 21:11.51 | jeff_ | okay, i'll take that into consideration then, itchi, h3sp4wn, plb |
| 21:11.52 | jeff_ | thanks guys |
| 21:12.06 | wwallace_lap | very funny enouf |
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| 21:12.31 | plb | stew: it does but I cannot figure out how to get it detected, it says : |
| 21:12.31 | plb | ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid45" not in kernel |
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| 21:12.39 | itchi | wwallace_lap: I'm on a duo core, most applications not make use of both cores :-s |
| 21:12.47 | chairmeleon | hello hello :) |
| 21:12.55 | wwallace_lap | may be ill go amd |
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| 21:13.04 | stew | plb: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 21:13.14 | plb | 2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 21:13.20 | chairmeleon | Is it a hard thing to create a customized Debian install CD? |
| 21:13.25 | stew | plb: try "modprobe raid456" and try again maybe |
| 21:13.35 | wwallace_lap | 2.6.20-8-generic |
| 21:13.36 | plb | I already did that to no avail |
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| 21:13.52 | enouf | plb: is that a previous installation? |
| 21:14.02 | plb | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 21:14.09 | stew | plb: what version of the dmraid package do you have installed? |
| 21:14.18 | enouf | plb: WHEN diod you create this Raid5 array? |
| 21:14.40 | plb | stew: let me check it should be the newest in stable |
| 21:14.40 | plb | enouf: yesterday |
| 21:14.48 | enouf | plb: using what? |
| 21:14.50 | scv | I am curious, are you still use the amd64 as a 32bit cpu in debian? |
| 21:15.04 | stew | plb: i'd guess you need to use either an older kernel or a newer dmraid, then. |
| 21:15.10 | plb | dmraid version: 1.0.0.rc13 (2006.10.11) |
| 21:15.10 | plb | dmraid library version: 1.0.0.rc13 (2006.10.11) |
| 21:15.10 | plb | device-mapper version: 4.7.0 |
| 21:15.39 | plb | correction I'm using etch |
| 21:15.42 | Guerin | scv: yes. |
| 21:15.44 | stew | plb: check the bts: /msg dpkg bts |
| 21:15.50 | pickcoder | scv: you can, since they are 32-bit compatible |
| 21:16.09 | scv | so, it's wasted |
| 21:16.17 | enouf | scv: see http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 21:16.30 | enouf | pickcoder: isn't the amd64 port only 64bit? |
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| 21:16.53 | scv | + a 32bit jail? |
| 21:16.55 | pickcoder | scv: well many of the applications on Linux are still 32-bit, so the AMD64 system has 32-bit and 64-bit libs |
| 21:17.05 | Guerin | scv: not really. 64-bit on those chips can be faster for some apps, but is also a major pain in the arse for some operations. |
| 21:17.30 | enouf | pickcoder: if one wants to run 32bit on amd64 .. install i386/k8/k7 whatever |
| 21:17.57 | scv | if so, you waste a 64bit cpu |
| 21:17.57 | chairmeleon | Listen up please. I need an option for less experienced people to continue deploying the current customized debian install that I have, on a multitude of boxes. Is there any way for me to make some sort of custom install CD for this purpose? |
| 21:18.02 | enouf | pickcoder: and choose the 686 kernel .. if there's a choice for 486/586/686 |
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| 21:18.18 | Guerin | chairmeleon: /msg dpkg fai |
| 21:18.31 | Guerin | chairmeleon: you can get down off your soapbox now |
| 21:18.35 | enouf | scv: there's not much 64bit desktop software .. so yeah .. you've been had |
| 21:18.37 | pickcoder | enouf: I run K7 for AMD X2 chips |
| 21:18.47 | Guerin | scv: it's not wasting anything. |
| 21:18.55 | stew | chairmeleon: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 21:18.57 | enouf | pickcoder: right .. that;'s what I'm saying |
| 21:19.12 | plb | stew: are you saying this is a bug? |
| 21:19.18 | pickcoder | scv: the only reason to run 64-bit kernel is to have access to larger memory segments |
| 21:19.20 | enouf | pickcoder: the k7 is a 32bit port AFAIK |
| 21:19.27 | enouf | pickcoder: or am I mistaken? |
| 21:19.27 | stew | plb: yes |
| 21:19.49 | scv | pickcoder, my 32bit kernel can use 64GB ram... |
| 21:19.54 | plb | stew: damnit... |
| 21:20.01 | Guerin | scv: just not in one process. |
| 21:20.10 | scv | umm |
| 21:20.13 | Guerin | scv: or even in 48 processes |
| 21:20.14 | stew | plb: i'm saying this without certainty, of course |
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| 21:20.26 | enouf | half that isnt even accessible |
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| 21:20.51 | ReinH | Alright, here's an odd one. What package do I need for ifconfig? It's not installed o.O |
| 21:20.54 | stew | scv: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:21.00 | stew | ReinH: ifupdown |
| 21:21.04 | ReinH | ty |
| 21:21.16 | scv | there is good maps for 64bit memory model on wikipedia |
| 21:21.23 | stew | ReinH: you would have to go out of your way to get a debian install without that pacakge installed |
| 21:21.31 | sepski | ReinH, net-tools |
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| 21:21.41 | enouf | and that's only cause of pae .. which is a hack anyways |
| 21:21.42 | ReinH | stew: I do have it, but apparently sbin is not in my path |
| 21:21.42 | stew | oh oops |
| 21:21.44 | pickcoder | scv: it is impossible to create a memory segment larger than 32 continuous bits on a 32-bit kernel |
| 21:21.54 | ReinH | file:///home/reinh/Desktop/rhenrichs business card.pdf |
| 21:21.54 | ReinH | file:///home/reinh/Desktop/cwoolley business card.pdf |
| 21:21.54 | ReinH | file:///home/reinh/Desktop/mastleford business card.pdf |
| 21:21.56 | grendal_prime | oki suck at this..i have an iogear usb interfaced protable drive.. |
| 21:21.56 | ReinH | oh no |
| 21:21.58 | ReinH | sorry |
| 21:22.07 | grendal_prime | i need to put ext3 file system on it |
| 21:22.10 | ReinH | I definitely didn't mean to paste that |
| 21:22.11 | chairmeleon | Guerin: Thanks for pointing me the right way |
| 21:22.16 | pickcoder | scv: if you need to run number crunching, AMD64/EM64T is the way to go |
| 21:22.27 | grendal_prime | i cant even tell if its mountable... |
| 21:22.27 | scv | oh |
| 21:22.30 | Guerin | chairmeleon: you're welcome, enjoy. |
| 21:22.35 | ReinH | hmmm |
| 21:22.39 | ma3x | I'm trying to go to audiocd:/ in konqueror and copy from the directory MP3 to my hard disk. Instead of copying, it starts and it stalls there. what's wrong? |
| 21:22.46 | grendal_prime | usbinfo says it can read the info from it |
| 21:23.04 | enouf | ma3x: livecd? |
| 21:23.19 | ma3x | enouf: what do you mean? audiocd, music cd |
| 21:23.34 | enouf | ma3x: where's "directory MP3" at? |
| 21:23.46 | pickcoder | scv: just be weary of the fact that most of the applications you download may not have been rewritten to maximize performance on a 64-bit environment |
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| 21:24.07 | stew | ma3x: are you able to do whatever you are tyring to do from the command line? |
| 21:24.08 | ma3x | enouf: audiocd:/MP3 |
| 21:24.15 | ma3x | stew: how? |
| 21:24.19 | pickcoder | plus, there are still quite a few more bugs in that version compared to the 32-bit |
| 21:24.20 | enouf | ma3x: are you on Sarge/Stable? what's uname -r say? .. and what's cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 21:24.22 | grendal_prime | iogear? |
| 21:24.26 | grendal_prime | by the way im on etch |
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| 21:24.37 | stew | ma3x: i don't know. i'm not sure we don't understand exactly what you are trying to do |
| 21:24.43 | chairmeleon | For a public location web surfing desktop, is it safe to use debian sid? |
| 21:24.52 | stew | chairmeleon: no |
| 21:25.10 | enouf | ma3x: where is the DIr located .. on a HDD? on a CD? .. wtf is it? |
| 21:25.20 | chairmeleon | stew: too many security flaws, or what? |
| 21:25.37 | ma3x | stew: I open the konqueror browser and then type in the url audiocd:/MP3 and then I drag and drop the files to my homedir and it tries to read the CD and it stalls. I've tried with a lot of other CDs, it just doesnt work |
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| 21:25.49 | stew | chairmeleon: its breaks often. its not guaranteed to be fixed quickly if there is a security flaw |
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| 21:25.56 | enouf | ahhh .. it's on a CD then |
| 21:25.59 | reini | !meta |
| 21:25.59 | ma3x | enouf: I want to copy from CD to homedir/ |
| 21:26.02 | ma3x | of course its on a cd |
| 21:26.07 | ma3x | why else would I go to audiocd:/ ? |
| 21:26.11 | enouf | ma3x: ok .. now we're getting somewhere |
| 21:26.39 | ma3x | and yet we got nowhere |
| 21:26.42 | RvGaTe | just installed skype, but it looks shit, anyone knows how to make sure skype uses the gdm's theme? |
| 21:26.51 | enouf | ma3x: cp -a /dev/hdXX/MP3/* /home/user/ |
| 21:27.03 | scv | lol |
| 21:27.08 | pickcoder | gah.. it's been years since I setup a smb share |
| 21:27.15 | chairmeleon | stew: I see. Personally, I've ran it as a desktop with very few issues for the last year. Maybe just lucky thenb |
| 21:27.25 | enouf | ma3x: what? you don't have any MP3s on yuour HDD? |
| 21:27.29 | chairmeleon | stew: Etch then, would that be ok by now?? |
| 21:27.29 | ma3x | enouf: what's /dev/hdXX ? should I put there /dev/hdc instead? |
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| 21:27.38 | enouf | ma3x: yes |
| 21:27.47 | ma3x | what do you mea you don't have any mp3s? |
| 21:27.48 | enouf | if that's you cd drive |
| 21:27.57 | pickcoder | I've set the share to public, added the "guest" user, and set the share to guest only, but I'm still getting access errors |
| 21:28.01 | enouf | ma3x: over your head .. nm |
| 21:28.08 | ma3x | ma3x@ma3x:~$ cp -a /dev/hdc/MP3/* /home/ma3x/ |
| 21:28.08 | ma3x | cp: cannot stat `/dev/hdc/MP3/*': Not a directory |
| 21:28.21 | enouf | ma3x: add a partition |
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| 21:28.28 | enouf | bah ... |
| 21:28.29 | ma3x | partition? |
| 21:28.30 | enouf | nm |
| 21:28.31 | ma3x | for what? |
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| 21:28.52 | enouf | ma3x: cp -a /dev/hdXX/* /home/user/ |
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| 21:29.07 | enouf | ma3x: cp -a /dev/hdc/* /home/user/ |
| 21:29.38 | ma3x | ma3x@ma3x:~$ cp -a /dev/hdc/* /home/ma3x/ |
| 21:29.38 | ma3x | cp: cannot stat `/dev/hdc/*': Not a directory |
| 21:29.41 | stew | enouf: it would be rare to have /dev/hdc be a directory instead of a device |
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| 21:29.48 | ma3x | haha |
| 21:29.56 | enouf | stew: loop mount then? |
| 21:30.03 | ma3x | mount audio cd? |
| 21:30.08 | ma3x | you out of your mind? |
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| 21:30.21 | stew | enouf: i have no idea what he is trying to do |
| 21:30.22 | enouf | ma3x: you dildo ... |
| 21:30.23 | chairmeleon | stew: Do you consider etch stable enough to deploy by now? |
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| 21:30.31 | stew | enouf: if its an audiocd its not mountable |
| 21:30.37 | stew | (nor would it contain mp3s either) |
| 21:30.43 | ma3x | stew: I've explained thousand times. I want to extract mp3 from my audio CD |
| 21:30.51 | enouf | ma3x: you have no fscken clue .. good luck .. audioCdsare NOT mp3s asswipe |
| 21:30.53 | ma3x | I want to have the tracks on my hard disk in mp3 format |
| 21:30.55 | Guerin | ma3x: use grip, cdparanoia or abcde |
| 21:30.57 | ma3x | is that so hard to understand? |
| 21:31.01 | pickcoder | ma3x: so download a ripper |
| 21:31.05 | ma3x | Guerin: I ain't good with command line |
| 21:31.10 | Guerin | ma3x: is it fo sucking hard to google? |
| 21:31.18 | Guerin | ma3x: who said anything about command lines? |
| 21:31.21 | enouf | !learn |
| 21:31.21 | dpkg | [learn] the opposite of not learn, or something you do every day, apparently. |
| 21:31.33 | ma3x | enouf: I know they are not mp3 and they are also not mountable. that's why I want to encode to mp3!!! |
| 21:31.42 | stew | ma3x: use cdparanoia to extract a wav, then you'll have to get an mp3 encoder (none exist in debian) you may need to pay a license fee to legally create the mp3s |
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| 21:31.53 | enouf | then you have no "mp3 Directory" b0z0 |
| 21:31.54 | ma3x | well I want to use konqueror or amarok |
| 21:31.59 | enouf | start getting facts straight |
| 21:32.11 | enouf | ask in #kde |
| 21:32.12 | stew | enouf: there is no reason for name calling, please use /ignore |
| 21:32.24 | chairmeleon | ma3x: You can not encode your CD tracks into mp3 by opening an 'MP3' folder on your cd |
| 21:32.27 | Guerin | ma3x: good luck with that, since neither are cd ripping programs. |
| 21:32.35 | ma3x | enouf: well that's virtually a directory (when you type audiocd:/MP3 in konqueror) |
| 21:33.05 | pickcoder | ma3x: you can only rip CD audio as raw wav files |
| 21:33.20 | chairmeleon | ma3x: Yes it is, but as far as I've tried, you can never get those mp3s copied to hdd. Dunno why they implemented that 'MP3'-folder thingy in KDE |
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| 21:33.34 | Supaplex | how do I list config files that would be affected when purging a package? I know dpkg -L will list package files, but I don't see any of the configs in that list. |
| 21:33.36 | ma3x | chairmeleon: but it used to work |
| 21:33.43 | enouf | stew: about mp3s .. I use cdparanoia / audacity w/lame .. no problems .. wtf? |
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| 21:33.51 | chairmeleon | ma3x: Oh, ok. What distro are you using?? |
| 21:34.00 | stew | enouf: i don't understand your question |
| 21:34.10 | Guerin | enouf: lame isn't in debian, and unless you licensed those mp3s they are probably not legal |
| 21:34.15 | Guerin | that's his point |
| 21:34.15 | enouf | stew: i was responding to your pay for a license comment |
| 21:34.26 | amphi | enouf: what ever it was, the answer is 'vorbis' ;) |
| 21:34.33 | Guerin | yeh |
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| 21:34.38 | pickcoder | enouf: you can also rip DVDs and remove the regional restrictions, but that doesn't mean doing so is legal in all countries |
| 21:34.59 | stew | enouf: mp3 encoders use patented algorithms. this is why debian doesn't distribute them. they require a license fee depending on your local laws |
| 21:35.38 | olsen | i really like debian, but sooner or later i think i will need some packages that wont be in etch :/ |
| 21:35.39 | enouf | throws hands up .. |
| 21:35.40 | amphi | the shadow of frauenhofer... |
| 21:35.42 | ma3x | chairmeleon: sid |
| 21:35.50 | itchi | pickcoder: (In Belgium it's not legal to add protections to stuff you buy for personal usage, but these still do it :-() |
| 21:35.56 | stew | i actually am legally creating mp3s right now |
| 21:36.02 | stew | i actaully have a client that bought a license |
| 21:36.08 | Guerin | stew: heh |
| 21:36.09 | chairmeleon | ma3x: weird, me too. and I can't get those mp3 folders to work, never have |
| 21:36.18 | Guerin | stew: i have a bridge they might want to buy |
| 21:36.25 | RvGaTe | just installed skype, but it looks shit, anyone knows how to make sure skype uses the gdm's theme? it looks shit right now, very ugly, becouse its not using a theme... |
| 21:36.36 | h3sp4wn | olsen: debian-multimedia.org has most of the rest of the stuff |
| 21:36.45 | Guerin | RvGaTe: skype will never look like gnome, because skype is qt |
| 21:36.46 | ma3x | chairmeleon: did you try to encode some tracks? |
| 21:36.52 | stew | Guerin: its actually work i'm doing for a major record label |
| 21:37.01 | RvGaTe | Guerin, i remember some ubuntu geeks doing it... |
| 21:37.06 | Guerin | stew: traitor! (etc.) |
| 21:37.20 | olsen | h3sp4wn: ok |
| 21:37.24 | chairmeleon | ma3x: I did try to do the same thing as you did, cp the mp3s from the konqueror audio cd folder |
| 21:37.24 | jelly-home | stew: which codec is being used? |
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| 21:37.25 | olsen | h3sp4wn: i will check it out |
| 21:37.33 | ma3x | chairmeleon: and it works? |
| 21:37.34 | enouf | stupid fucken RIAA / MPAA/ DRM crapola nonsensical bullshit crap! |
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| 21:37.50 | Guerin | enouf: how does this have anything to do with drm? |
| 21:37.52 | chairmeleon | ma3x: But since that fell flat, I've been using separate software for doing so. No, as I said, it has never worked for me |
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| 21:37.52 | ma3x | enouf: what are you pissed about? |
| 21:37.55 | Guerin | or the MPAA? |
| 21:37.58 | Guerin | or even the RIAA? |
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| 21:38.05 | stew | enouf: mp3 patents have has nothing to do with the riaa or mpaa |
| 21:38.07 | enouf | for just a fscken MP3? .. a POOR sounding POS? |
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| 21:38.17 | ma3x | Guerin: any of that software you named has GUI? |
| 21:38.27 | enouf | stew: i know .. but my wrath is all encompassing :-) |
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| 21:38.43 | Xuwqyz | How do you update one specific program with apt-get? |
| 21:38.46 | Guerin | ma3x: dunno. I think grip might |
| 21:39.18 | stew | Xuwqyz: apt-get install pacakgename |
| 21:39.18 | Guerin | Xuwqyz: aptitude install package |
| 21:39.18 | Guerin | bah, not apt-get |
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| 21:39.22 | stew | Xuwqyz: "aptitude install packagename" rather |
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| 21:39.52 | Xuwqyz | thanks |
| 21:39.53 | enouf | Kage``: well .. if you can make it sound better .. hehe ...I'm all for it ;-) |
| 21:39.57 | enouf | er karsten |
| 21:40.22 | pickcoder | enouf: yeah.. single-DVD songs |
| 21:40.22 | plb | ma3x: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/command.zip |
| 21:40.34 | karsten | plb: ITBWTCL?] |
| 21:40.35 | pickcoder | but hey.. they're _really_ clear |
| 21:40.49 | enouf | oh n0ez .. not the DVD-Audio SuperAudioCD stuff again |
| 21:40.49 | plb | karsten: exactly |
| 21:40.50 | Guerin | heh |
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| 21:41.11 | dim | hi guys |
| 21:41.16 | pickcoder | enouf: no.. I mean using a GB sampling rate to encode MP3/MP4 |
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| 21:41.22 | enouf | HDMI must never get off the ground on their terms |
| 21:41.22 | rfrank | whats the command for installing grub |
| 21:41.36 | karsten | rfrank: grub-install | install-grub. One or the other. |
| 21:41.38 | dim | i'm looking for php4-ffmpeg packaging, if possible for sarge (but i can try to backport) |
| 21:41.50 | pickcoder | grub-install |
| 21:41.52 | stew | rfrank: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
| 21:41.54 | pickcoder | update-grub |
| 21:42.10 | pickcoder | grub-a-rony |
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| 21:44.26 | enouf | plb: grub shell? |
| 21:44.26 | x_link | Is there no other way I can install Debian Etch? |
| 21:44.26 | x_link | Except from floppy/cd ? |
| 21:44.26 | plb | enouf: anything remotely grubbish other than update-grub and I just whip out the debian install CD |
| 21:44.27 | karsten | x_link: There's 60 ways to load your lover^Wetch. |
| 21:44.40 | stew | x_link: /msg dpkg i-g |
| 21:44.45 | karsten | x_link: floppy, chroot install, cd, USB stick. |
| 21:45.01 | enouf | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/433 <-- plb .. let Tab completion help |
| 21:45.09 | x_link | I don't hace usb stick and I don't know what chroot install is |
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| 21:45.22 | karsten | stew: No i-g link. |
| 21:45.27 | karsten | stew: erm, factoid |
| 21:45.31 | x_link | The /msg dpkg i-g didn't say much |
| 21:45.35 | enouf | !ig |
| 21:45.35 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 21:45.36 | jelly-home | ma3x: I just tried copy/pasting the files... cd is spinning so something appears to be working |
| 21:45.38 | karsten | x_link: rtfm: Debian Install Manual. Appendix C4 |
| 21:45.42 | stew | !i-g is <reply> see ig |
| 21:45.42 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 21:46.05 | plb | x_link: you + $20 + (WalMart | BestBuy | Circuit City | .....) = USB Stick |
| 21:46.10 | karsten | !tell x_link about ig |
| 21:46.27 | karsten | stew: In Soviet Russia, Etch installs you! |
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| 21:46.48 | karsten | x_link: Hell: http://www.goodye-microsoft.com |
| 21:46.49 | plb | karsten: In Soviet Russia, there are now operating systems. |
| 21:46.54 | plb | er...no |
| 21:47.00 | Guerin | no |
| 21:47.01 | karsten | x_link: erm, http://www.goodbye-microsoft.org/ |
| 21:47.09 | karsten | Guerin: No what? |
| 21:47.17 | jelly-home | ma3x: but it is either extremely slow, or broken. Best to file a bug report. |
| 21:47.17 | Guerin | noviet russia |
| 21:47.19 | plb | In Soviet Russia, there are no operating systems. |
| 21:47.28 | sussudio | %badgeros |
| 21:47.28 | badgers | part of the mushroom framework. |
| 21:47.43 | jelly-home | %mushroom framework |
| 21:47.43 | badgers | part of the snake toolkit. |
| 21:47.48 | jelly-home | well. |
| 21:47.56 | karsten | jelly-home: A hole in the ground |
| 21:47.57 | jelly-home | %snake toolkit |
| 21:47.57 | badgers | powered by badger badger badger badgerOS! |
| 21:48.17 | karsten | jelly-home: botabuse |
| 21:48.41 | jelly-home | karsten: It got me into a recursion, so who's abusing whom? |
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| 21:48.56 | karsten | jelly-home: botabuse: see botabuse |
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| 21:54.21 | enouf | !ig is <reply> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4) |
| 21:54.21 | dpkg | ...but ig is already something else... |
| 21:54.38 | enouf | dpkg no, ig is <reply> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4) |
| 21:54.38 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 21:55.12 | enouf | good girl dpkg ;-) |
| 21:55.37 | streuner | enough! |
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| 21:56.15 | enouf | streuner: too much? ..the Etch one has the GUI and other info .. otherwise i would've left it |
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| 22:02.11 | itrebal | I'm trying to configure Exim; should I ask this here (since its the default) or should I ask it elsewhere? |
| 22:02.42 | valdyn | !justask |
| 22:02.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:02.44 | dim | how to apt-get upgrade for downgrading? |
| 22:02.53 | valdyn | !downgrade |
| 22:02.54 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 22:03.06 | Guerin | dim: we like to refer to it as `reinstall' |
| 22:03.09 | dim | and aptitude? |
| 22:03.15 | Guerin | samesame |
| 22:03.19 | dim | ok |
| 22:03.26 | itrebal | will do |
| 22:03.32 | streuner | !factinfo blacklist-initramfs |
| 22:03.33 | dpkg | blacklist-initramfs -- created by Stevie[FP] <n=whatsit2@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Stevie> at Thu Nov 2 20:54:22 2006 (105 days); it has been requested 31 times, last by streuner, 2m 18s ago. |
| 22:03.35 | valdyn | dim: these tools are not the issue but the packages themselves |
| 22:03.37 | dim | i whish i didn't think dotdeb.org would be a solution |
| 22:03.41 | dim | was just a problem so far |
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| 22:04.08 | dim | apt-get -d won't work? |
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| 22:04.43 | Guerin | dim: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/dotdeb/ {print $2} |xargs aptitude purge; |
| 22:04.55 | Guerin | dim: oh, missing a ' there |
| 22:05.06 | itrebal | I'm trying to setup Exim on my server to handle email for several domains; I've put "dc_other_hostnames='domain.com:anotherdomain.net:etc.tld' in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf, and am getting errors: "2007-02-15 13:52:01 1HGc7V-0002A1-Tk == postmaster@mail.itrebal.com routing defer (-51): retry time not reached" in my /var/log/exim/mainlog file |
| 22:05.07 | dim | i can add it, thx :)) |
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| 22:05.19 | Guerin | dim: that *might* do something good |
| 22:05.29 | rfrank | hey guys - I need to reinstall grub off of a netinst CD; how can I do that |
| 22:05.48 | rfrank | If I just go into the installer menu and select install GRUB bootloader it tries to partition things |
| 22:05.57 | pickcoder | rfrank: whats the root problem |
| 22:06.04 | pickcoder | +' |
| 22:06.07 | Guerin | rfrank: boot to a livecd, mount your drive, chroot to it, run grub-install /dev/hdx && update-grub |
| 22:06.37 | rfrank | Guerin, thats what I just tried to do but it gave me errors I think, I'll try it again.. |
| 22:06.40 | Guerin | rfrank: you need to be sure and mount it without nodev, which is the default |
| 22:06.46 | itrebal | what might I be missing in this setup? (oh yea, after that message I get "2007-02-15 13:52:01 1HHL4k-0004ud-9F Message is frozen" |
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| 22:08.27 | bzed | itrebal: I don't know exim, but did you run update-exim4.conf ? |
| 22:08.36 | dim | purging in process :/ |
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| 22:08.47 | dim | purge processing, that is |
| 22:09.07 | itrebal | bzed: I'm pretty sure I did, however I should check.. |
| 22:09.12 | streuner | !listkeys exim |
| 22:09.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'exim' by key (15 of 34): #debian exim4 ;; #debian exim4 reconfigure ;; _default exim+spamassassin ;; _default exim4gmail ;; _default hackasaurusreximus ;; _default sa-exim ;; exim ;; exim 3 ;; exim+fetchmail ;; exim+spamassassin ;; exim4 backports ;; exim4 reconfigure ;; eximon ;; vexim ;; why exim4. |
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| 22:09.30 | streuner | pick one and find out |
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| 22:10.07 | itrebal | thanks |
| 22:10.40 | ma3x | jelly-home: file a bug report for which package? |
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| 22:12.14 | MmikeDOMA | I have laptop and desktop with debian on them... on laptop I do an apt-get install <package> and that wants to get 120 MB from the internet... i have 80MB of required .debs on the desktop computer (along with other 2.4 gigs in /var/cache/apt/archives), is there a way to tell laptop apt to get them from desktop compuer? |
| 22:12.19 | jelly-home | ma3x: probably the one which brings /usr/lib/kde3/libaudiocd_encoder_lame.so |
| 22:12.21 | dim | aptitude is taking its time for the removal, i'm feeling nervous |
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| 22:12.51 | jelly-home | ma3x: you probably need lame to be installed for that to work, do you have it? |
| 22:12.53 | ma3x | jelly-home: how did you find out that that's the file involved? |
| 22:13.06 | ma3x | jelly-home: the lame encoder? yeah |
| 22:13.14 | MrMeoff | will apt-get sshd, install sshd on debian? |
| 22:13.29 | ma3x | MrMeoff: apt-get install sshd |
| 22:13.43 | MrMeoff | ma3x: k |
| 22:13.55 | Guerin | it's not sshd |
| 22:13.59 | ma3x | jelly-home: kdemultimedia-kio-plugins is already the newest version. |
| 22:14.00 | Guerin | it's openssh-server |
| 22:14.01 | jelly-home | ma3x: I didn't find out, that's my wild guess |
| 22:14.02 | dim | MmikeDOMA: there's a tool for turning local apt/archives cache into a source |
| 22:14.13 | Guerin | ma3x: don't guess packagenames |
| 22:14.36 | ma3x | Guerin: I did a search!!!! |
| 22:14.38 | jelly-home | ma3x: for example, audiocd://Ogg%20Vorbis works, here |
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| 22:14.47 | bzed | MmikeDOMA: also you want to have a look into apt-cacher for the long run probably |
| 22:14.57 | Guerin | ma3x: not in debian, though. |
| 22:15.12 | jelly-home | MmikeDOMA: yo wassup dude |
| 22:15.14 | ma3x | Guerin: what are you talking about? regarding the kde or sshd? |
| 22:15.19 | Guerin | ma3x: sshd |
| 22:15.24 | ma3x | Guerin: yeah ok |
| 22:15.36 | MmikeDOMA | jelly-home, I'm also home! :) (doma=home) |
| 22:15.38 | bzed | !dude |
| 22:15.38 | dpkg | like, y'knoow. |
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| 22:15.44 | ma3x | Guerin: well he asked if apt-get sshd would install sshd |
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| 22:15.50 | jelly-home | MmikeDOMA: no shittin'me ;-) |
| 22:15.54 | Guerin | ma3x: and the only correct answer was `no' |
| 22:15.59 | MmikeDOMA | :) |
| 22:16.04 | ma3x | Guerin: so it's openssh-server |
| 22:16.10 | bzed | it's just ssh |
| 22:16.11 | ma3x | ok guerin |
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| 22:16.29 | bzed | well, you could install the server all alone... |
| 22:16.33 | bzed | if you really want |
| 22:16.33 | dim | MmikeDOMA: maybe debmirror or sth |
| 22:16.34 | Guerin | ssh is a metapackage which will also install a client. That's not whzat he asked for (though is probably what he wanted) |
| 22:17.18 | ma3x | jelly-home: yeah ogg, works but mp3 or flac, they don't |
| 22:17.30 | jelly-home | MmikeDOMA: if your desktop machine has a fixed address, you can create a local repository in some way, then add that to laptop's sources.list |
| 22:17.49 | dkr | Guerin: ethereal was the best name, can't believe they had to change it |
| 22:18.23 | JoshH | they HAD to change it? i thought they just did it to confuse me |
| 22:18.37 | dkr | heh |
| 22:18.50 | dkr | yeah, cease and desist type situation, I vaguely recall |
| 22:19.04 | MmikeDOMA | jelly, i did so, used dpkg-scanpackages, i then, from /var/www i guess I have to ln -s /var/cache/apt/archives, and in sources list on laptop I type - what? :) |
| 22:19.11 | MmikeDOMA | http://desktop/ . |
| 22:19.13 | jelly-home | ma3x: flac works for me. You probably don't have stuff installed |
| 22:19.49 | jelly-home | MmikeDOMA: verify that http://desktop/ works as expected |
| 22:20.11 | jelly-home | MmikeDOMA: yeah. "deb http://desktop/ ." ... maybe ./ at the end |
| 22:20.49 | MmikeDOMA | it wants to download them from the internet :) (i did apt-get update before upgrade on laptop...) |
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| 22:21.12 | jelly-home | MmikeDOMA: first matching repo is used |
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| 22:21.19 | Guerin | MmikeDOMA: pin, or change the order |
| 22:21.35 | zen-owl | hello, how can I clear the tty1 of boot messages before login runs? |
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| 22:21.46 | jelly-home | MmikeDOMA: you might want to set up apt-proxy or something |
| 22:21.51 | Guerin | zen-owl: why would you bother? |
| 22:21.56 | linux2 | anyone know how i can drop specific connections to my server? |
| 22:22.10 | zen-owl | would just be a nice touch |
| 22:22.20 | Guerin | ... |
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| 22:22.35 | Guerin | linux2: kill whatever process it is |
| 22:22.38 | jelly-home | zen-owl: even if there was an important error in those boot messages? |
| 22:22.51 | linux2 | Guerin, well its my web server |
| 22:22.55 | linux2 | i don't want to kill it |
| 22:23.10 | linux2 | i have about 70 connections to it from one location causing lag |
| 22:23.27 | Guerin | linux2: oh. |
| 22:23.50 | Guerin | linux2: you want mod_iplimitconn |
| 22:23.58 | Guerin | linux2: see http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ |
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| 22:26.17 | linux2 | Guerin, thanks :-) |
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| 22:27.19 | b00mer | having problems with samba on etch... getting "Failed to Create Users" any ideas? |
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| 22:27.31 | itrebal | ok, now, with further testing - I can send email to other domains (ie: that arn't included in my dc_other_hostnames) like gmail.com but it complains when sending to a local domain, any idea why/what might cause it? |
| 22:27.39 | evilbulgarian | where is the best place in debian to add static routes? |
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| 22:28.22 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: i'd put them in a script which was called in an `up' stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:28.48 | Guerin | evilbulgarian: make sure you turn them off in a `down' stanza, too |
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| 22:31.07 | MmikeDOMA | i have my repo at the begining of sources.list, and apt still downloads packages from the net... when I comment all other deb lines out, then apt pulls packages from the desktop machine |
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| 22:31.08 | b00mer | any ideas on the samba issue? |
| 22:31.08 | Guerin | MmikeDOMA: probably to do with versions |
| 22:31.22 | Guerin | b00mer: what I know about samba ain't worth knowing |
| 22:31.30 | stew | Guerin: evilbulgarian: you don't have to take them down in a down line, routes are deleted automatically when the interface goes down |
| 22:31.37 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 22:31.52 | Guerin | unlike iptables rules ;) |
| 22:32.21 | MmikeDOMA | Guerin, well, the versions on the desktop are the same as ones on the debian repos, I didi apt-get update/upgrade on the desktop before doing dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 22:32.27 | ma3x | jelly-home: works for me too. so only mp3 doesn't work |
| 22:32.31 | ma3x | jelly-home: what to do? |
| 22:32.41 | Guerin | MmikeDOMA: hm. Have you looked at pinning? |
| 22:32.48 | Guerin | (which might not do anything) |
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| 22:33.11 | Guerin | ma3x: don't use mp3 -> problem solved |
| 22:33.20 | bzed | !win Guerin |
| 22:33.20 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 22:33.26 | ma3x | Guerin: so what do you use instead? |
| 22:33.27 | Guerin | choice! |
| 22:33.29 | ma3x | ogg sucks |
| 22:33.31 | Guerin | always wanted to go there |
| 22:33.43 | Guerin | ma3x: ogg does not suck. Use ogg, or flac. |
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| 22:34.02 | Guerin | i know: your fucktarded iPod doesn't play proper formats |
| 22:34.06 | mx-zoom | my ipod doesn't play ogg, so it sucks |
| 22:34.09 | jelly-home | Guerin: exactly |
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| 22:34.10 | ma3x | Guerin: many times i copied my ogg files to a data cd and then copied them back on the hard disk, and they got all corrupted |
| 22:34.12 | bzed | ipods suck :D |
| 22:34.12 | Guerin | this is just because you made poor purchasing decisions |
| 22:34.16 | MmikeDOMA | Guerin, well, no :) I did what I wanted to (i commented out debian repos, and installed what i needed, than returned previously backed up sources.list... |
| 22:34.34 | Guerin | ma3x: that's a function of the data transfer, not the format |
| 22:34.42 | scv | have you seen a hardware ogg player? |
| 22:34.45 | bzed | mx-zoom: install linux on it |
| 22:34.52 | bzed | scv: yes |
| 22:34.57 | scv | where? |
| 22:34.59 | Guerin | scv: there are several. Anything by iAudio, some by iRiver |
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| 22:35.06 | ma3x | Guerin: be more specific, what exactly has happened during the transfer? and what could have been done to prevent that? |
| 22:35.11 | amphi | Mythbusters: yes |
| 22:35.21 | Guerin | scv: iAudio X5L is *far* better than the rancid ipod, and cheaper to boot |
| 22:35.23 | amphi | Mythbusters: sorry, ETAB |
| 22:35.34 | Guerin | ma3x: without more specific data I couldn't say. |
| 22:35.37 | scv | but they are copycats |
| 22:36.08 | Guerin | scv: not really, since they actuall work quite differently - USB mass storage, for a start, means you don't have to use some fucked-up clinent program |
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| 22:36.21 | rahul | ma3x: don't use crappy cd-rs. |
| 22:36.25 | scv | hahaha |
| 22:36.29 | rahul | ma3x: use ones that can maintain the data that's on them |
| 22:36.33 | Guerin | i stored a list of OPIE passwords on my X5L while overseas so the keyloggers couldn't haxx0r me |
| 22:36.38 | ma3x | Guerin: I copied my ogg created files to my DVD disk as data, because I was running out of space on hard disk, and later when I got another hdd, I copied them back from that DVD disk and they got all corrupted |
| 22:36.50 | Guerin | ma3x: yes - nothing to do with ogg. |
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| 22:37.04 | ma3x | Guerin: but all other files I copied were okay! just not the oggs |
| 22:37.07 | krazykit | hrm. can you make WINE do some programs in its virtual desktop and some managed by the window manager? |
| 22:37.07 | ma3x | so its ogg problem |
| 22:37.21 | Guerin | ma3x: no, it most explicitly is *not* |
| 22:37.29 | Guerin | ma3x: data is data is data |
| 22:37.34 | Guerin | it's all zeroes and ones |
| 22:37.41 | ma3x | Guerin: so how come the other audio files mp3 or video files were perfectly okay |
| 22:37.44 | ma3x | explain that |
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| 22:37.46 | fsmunoz | ma3x, it's impossible for an audio format to be more sensibe to copy operations |
| 22:37.53 | rahul | cat /dev/random > file.ogg |
| 22:37.56 | Guerin | ma3x: impossible to know without more information. |
| 22:38.02 | rahul | ZOMG, my file is kurrupterd! |
| 22:38.03 | ma3x | Guerin: what information? |
| 22:38.04 | Link | hello |
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| 22:38.14 | Link | speak spanish |
| 22:38.16 | Guerin | ma3x: i'd need the disk, and the drive, and the system in question |
| 22:38.19 | ma3x | fsmunoz: well ogg is too sensible |
| 22:38.19 | Guerin | !es |
| 22:38.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:38.24 | jelly-home | ma3x: a) you were just unlucky or b) the files were written corrupted to the cd |
| 22:38.28 | Guerin | ma3x: no, you're too stupid. |
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| 22:38.30 | fsmunoz | ma3x, data gets copied, bit by bit, be it ogg, mp3 or pr0n. The final condition is only dependent on the copy operation. |
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| 22:38.44 | Link | thanks dpkg |
| 22:38.44 | dpkg | bitte, Link |
| 22:38.45 | ma3x | Guerin: hard disk -> verbatim dvdrw -> same hard disk |
| 22:38.52 | Guerin | ma3x: just because there *appears* to be a correlation does not mean there is a causative relationship |
| 22:39.01 | stew | ma3x: is this somehting you can reproduce? |
| 22:39.14 | ma3x | stew: ogg? |
| 22:39.19 | Guerin | ... |
| 22:39.27 | fsmunoz | ma3x, some formats can perhaps cope better with corruption (like vinyl's advantage over a CD). |
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| 22:39.31 | mx-zoom | anyone has got any ideas why I am getting this error message when compiling gaim/beryl/whatever "autoreconf2.50: automake failed with exit status: 1" |
| 22:39.42 | Guerin | it seems computers are a sufficiently advanced technology to appear as magic to ma3x |
| 22:39.42 | ma3x | stew: i was explaining how I transfer the ogg files |
| 22:40.13 | stew | ma3x: this problem where you copy files to and from the hard disk. and they get corrupted. can you reproduce that behavior? |
| 22:40.15 | rahul | to sufficiently dull minds, a sufficiently advanced technology is comparable to magic. |
| 22:40.18 | ma3x | but it wasn't DVD's fault, because all other files were in perfect condition |
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| 22:40.37 | spldart | Can anyone point me to a tutorial for networking that's got some interesting, out of the ordinary examples? I have an idea I'd like to implement. |
| 22:40.42 | rahul | ma3x: then it was YOUR fault for screwing up the command you used to copy them |
| 22:40.42 | scv | ma3x, you used windows to brun the cdrw? |
| 22:40.46 | Guerin | ma3x: then the only asnwer is that they didn't get properly copied to the dvd, or only a particular part of the dvd became corrupted |
| 22:41.01 | ma3x | stew: well I haven't tried to copy to the DVDs again, because I have external hard disk now and I got plenty of free space |
| 22:41.03 | Guerin | spldart: lartc.org? |
| 22:41.16 | ma3x | but I had a lot of those corrupted or zero bytes tracks |
| 22:41.23 | ma3x | deleted them all |
| 22:41.30 | evilbulgarian | stew: so if i want i can add my static route script to if-up.d and call it with the up command? |
| 22:41.40 | scv | ma3x, they are DRMed? |
| 22:41.47 | stew | ma3x: if you can't reproduce the problem then we won't be able to help you with it. the problem has nothing to do witht the content of the files you are copying, it would most likely be a hardware problem |
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| 22:41.54 | Guerin | scv: drmed ogg? Are you for real? |
| 22:41.55 | ma3x | rahul: well I used k3b to copy them (format data dvd) something wrong? |
| 22:42.06 | ma3x | scv: whats drmed? |
| 22:42.06 | scv | umm... |
| 22:42.16 | stew | evilbulgarian: don't put it in if-up.d and callit with up, do one or the other |
| 22:42.24 | scv | there is a copy-protection |
| 22:42.24 | rahul | ma3x: "tracks"? |
| 22:42.31 | fsmunoz | dpkg, tell ma3x about DRM |
| 22:42.37 | ma3x | Guerin: that's not the answer because I had 5 discs made, and all OGGs got corrupted |
| 22:42.41 | rahul | ma3x: so you copied them as audio tracks and expected doing that with oggs to work? |
| 22:42.49 | ma3x | and all other music/video files survived |
| 22:42.55 | evilbulgarian | stew: so the if-up.d is evertime an interface is initiated |
| 22:42.57 | Guerin | ma3x: ... |
| 22:42.59 | ma3x | and in %100 condition |
| 22:43.05 | Guerin | ma3x: just because there *appears* to be a correlation does not mean there is a causative relationship |
| 22:43.24 | ma3x | rahul: I copied them as data |
| 22:43.26 | scv | ma3x, did you use windows mediaplayer to brun cdrw/dvd? |
| 22:43.31 | Guerin | ma3x: google "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" |
| 22:43.39 | ma3x | scv: k3b |
| 22:43.47 | scv | ... |
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| 22:43.48 | rahul | ma3x: seriously, you're the only one who has had this problem |
| 22:43.57 | rahul | it's a personal problem, as far as I can tell. |
| 22:44.10 | stew | ma3x: if you can't reproduce this problem now, there is little reason to waste time on it now |
| 22:44.18 | Smoked1 | How do I lock user to thier home directory using pure-ftpd? |
| 22:44.23 | scv | ma3x, you OC your pc? |
| 22:44.32 | rahul | sheesh |
| 22:44.35 | Guerin | Smoked1: read the fine documentation |
| 22:44.40 | xand | hai i am leet h4x0r |
| 22:44.41 | rahul | Don't Feed the Trolls. |
| 22:44.44 | ma3x | scv: OC?? |
| 22:44.51 | scv | OverClocking |
| 22:44.59 | Guerin | !aolify xand |
| 22:45.00 | ma3x | nope |
| 22:45.03 | scv | oh |
| 22:45.05 | ma3x | why would I overclock it? |
| 22:45.09 | xand | Guerin: omgn00b |
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| 22:45.20 | x_link | YES |
| 22:45.25 | x_link | I have DEbian Etch installed now =) |
| 22:45.30 | xand | o.O |
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| 22:45.36 | x_link | Tried the other Debian Installer |
| 22:45.46 | x_link | But now I can't see my mouse cursor =/ |
| 22:46.21 | fsmunoz | x_link, welcome. You only need to learn the secret handshake, but you can start looking down on others immediatly. |
| 22:46.26 | fsmunoz | :) |
| 22:46.44 | x_link | fsmunoz: This is not my first time =) |
| 22:46.45 | jelly-home | xand: r u 4 real? |
| 22:46.47 | rahul | x_link: you're not supposed to see the cursor unless you installed gpm |
| 22:46.50 | x_link | But I'm new with Linux =) |
| 22:46.56 | fsmunoz | x_link, ehe, I suspected that much, but had to grab the chance. |
| 22:47.00 | x_link | rahul: It has NEVER been like this for me before. |
| 22:47.01 | x_link | gpm? |
| 22:47.04 | rahul | gpm. |
| 22:47.08 | x_link | fsmunoz: hehe |
| 22:47.12 | x_link | What is gpm? |
| 22:47.21 | MrMeoff | what can i use to install the openssl development files using aptget, apt-get openssl-dev, devel, and development don't work... what am I missing? |
| 22:47.22 | rahul | the thing that gives you a mouse cursor in console. |
| 22:47.43 | rahul | the mouse cursor being the thing you don't have. |
| 22:47.44 | x_link | rahul: I can't see my mouse cursor anywhere, not on desktop either. |
| 22:47.50 | rahul | what's desktop? |
| 22:47.54 | x_link | rahul: apt-get install gpm? |
| 22:48.01 | rahul | I see my mouse sitting on top of my desk |
| 22:48.07 | fsmunoz | dpkg, tell x_link about gpm |
| 22:48.07 | fsmunoz | ... |
| 22:48.09 | rahul | it's on a mousepad, to boot. |
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| 22:48.54 | MrMeoff | apt-get install openssl-devel ? |
| 22:48.59 | GeorgeS069 | x_link: if it's a usb mouse try unplugging it and plugging it in again |
| 22:49.31 | x_link | ok |
| 22:50.08 | x_link | GeorgeS069: It's a usb mouse, but it's plugged on this little green plastic thing, |
| 22:50.14 | x_link | So I haven't plugged it into the usb slot. |
| 22:50.41 | nar- | /j ubuntu |
| 22:50.42 | MrMeoff | any ideas? |
| 22:50.42 | GeorgeS069 | x_link: is that like a ps2-usb adapter? |
| 22:50.43 | enouf | !greenplasticthingsmite x_link |
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| 22:50.59 | jelly-home | ma3x: are you POSITIVE you have lame installed? I've just installed it and now copying from audiocd:/MP3 works |
| 22:51.55 | spldart | Am I second class debian-smp cuz I OC my dually 20% ?? |
| 22:52.07 | enouf | jelly-home: the key file is libmp3lame.so .. etc |
| 22:52.29 | enouf | jelly-home: I have the nitwit on /ignore so .. I can't play along :-( |
| 22:52.51 | GeorgeS069 | MrMeoff: try aptitude search ssh dev |
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| 22:53.01 | rahul | x_link: did you tell the X server config that it's a ps/2 mouse? |
| 22:53.08 | jelly-home | enouf: actually the key is that kdemultimedia-kio-plugins package Suggests: lame |
| 22:53.12 | ma3x | jelly-home: what's the package you just installed? |
| 22:53.19 | jelly-home | ma3x: lame |
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| 22:53.33 | enouf | amphi: bzed once i find a need (which will be soon, it's either flac, or some other lossless format) |
| 22:53.34 | ma3x | jelly-home: it's not available (broken) |
| 22:53.37 | AbuSami | hi all |
| 22:53.40 | ma3x | E: Package lame has no installation candidate |
| 22:53.51 | jelly-home | ma3x: It's not in Debian |
| 22:54.02 | jelly-home | !tell ma3x about dmm |
| 22:54.09 | enouf | jelly-home: not for cdparanoia . and I'm talking about the important LAME file .. fuck kde |
| 22:54.33 | spldart | meh lame |
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| 22:54.51 | jelly-home | enouf: the user is using KDE, I'm trying to solve the actual problem, not some imagined one |
| 22:55.13 | ma3x | jelly-home: thanks! |
| 22:55.14 | enouf | jelly-home: I even made (actually edited in detail) a wiki entry somewhere about how to integrate it into audacity |
| 22:55.29 | SpeS_Dimi | hi |
| 22:55.35 | SpeS_Dimi | I'm scared, I'm upgrading |
| 22:55.37 | jelly-home | enouf: nice... /me uses amarok and loves it ;-) |
| 22:55.38 | ma3x | enouf: integrate what into audacity? |
| 22:55.40 | SpeS_Dimi | and I'm seeing strange things... |
| 22:55.59 | rvsjoen | for some reason I can't telnet to smtp servers port 25, I can use all other ports. default OUTPUT policy of iptables is ACCEPT with no rules defined... |
| 22:56.03 | enouf | jelly-home: you and they need to see kde, dbus, hal, freedesktop.org, qt, and udev .. good luck |
| 22:56.29 | SpeS_Dimi | like: |
| 22:56.32 | SpeS_Dimi | Preparando para reemplazar kate 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-5 (usando .../kate_4%3a3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 22:56.32 | SpeS_Dimi | Desempaquetando el reemplazo de kate ... |
| 22:56.38 | SpeS_Dimi | is that OK? |
| 22:56.53 | enouf | jelly-home: it was one of my first compiles too :-) |
| 22:56.58 | jelly-home | or is that dbus |
| 22:57.07 | enouf | jelly-home: hehe .. try reading the dbus docs .. lol |
| 22:57.15 | enouf | hal is nothing compared to that |
| 22:57.26 | enouf | nor udev for that matter |
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| 22:58.04 | bzed | http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/ <<whoever wanted a mobile ogg player |
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| 22:58.10 | rvsjoen | the setup of iptables is here http://rvs.pastebin.ca/357835 , this is a debian box acting as a router w/NAT, local hosts or the router itself is suddenly unable to use port 25 |
| 22:58.29 | jelly-home | enouf: I bet Windows has less layers of cruft to make the simple things like drag-and-dropping a cd track to disk work |
| 22:58.35 | enouf | jelly-home: fwiw; |
| 22:58.37 | enouf | /usr/lib/kde3/libaudiocd_encoder_lame.la |
| 22:58.38 | enouf | kdemultimedia-kio-plugins: /usr/lib/kde3/libaudiocd_encoder_lame.so |
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| 22:59.04 | enouf | jelly-home: I doubt . it's all proprietary and smoothed, snaded edges |
| 22:59.10 | enouf | er sanded* |
| 22:59.19 | MrMeoff | there's no openssl-devel in aptitude :`( |
| 22:59.31 | jelly-home | enouf: I found that 'bout half an hour ago. Then about 10 minutes ago I remembered to look at dpkg -s for that package for Recommends and Suggests. ;-) |
| 22:59.33 | enouf | try openssh-dev |
| 22:59.41 | enouf | though I haven't looked at all! |
| 22:59.50 | MrMeoff | i tried that, including -devel and -development |
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| 23:00.05 | enouf | jelly-home: dlocate .. for the w1n! |
| 23:00.26 | MrMeoff | can yum possibly be installed? |
| 23:00.46 | jelly-home | enouf: already have most of KDE installed, so plain ole locate worked |
| 23:00.49 | enouf | jelly-home: only if it's installed .. same as dpkg -S . otherwiose it's apt-file |
| 23:00.58 | grummund | hi, anyone can recommend a free voip solution for debian |
| 23:01.10 | grummund | ? |
| 23:01.23 | enouf | jelly-home: but dlocate narrows it down and gives the pkg it's in like dpkg -S does ;-) |
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| 23:02.09 | jelly-home | enouf: it's probably a nice shortcut but I'm already used to locate foo; dpkg -S /where/is/foo |
| 23:02.17 | enouf | jelly-home: but yeah .. without that HUGE name of kdemultimedia-kio-plugins .. it wou;ldn't be so easy |
| 23:02.33 | dotCOMmie | anyone know if its possible to enforce that user password protect their ssh keys? |
| 23:02.48 | jelly-home | enouf: that's what the mouse and doubleclick in xterm is for ;-) |
| 23:02.57 | GeorgeS069 | MrMeoff: I don't see a dev package for ssh either :( |
| 23:03.05 | MrMeoff | :( |
| 23:03.19 | enouf | jelly-home: why do I feel our discussion is somehow teaching those whom are not worthy of such easy knowledge ;-) |
| 23:03.38 | enouf | jelly-home: yo're familiar with the barbie factoid ;-) |
| 23:03.41 | GeorgeS069 | MrMeoff: I guess you could look on http://packages.debian.org |
| 23:03.42 | enouf | +u |
| 23:03.54 | MrMeoff | thanks |
| 23:04.21 | SpeS_Dimi | is everything OK when upgrading etch now? |
| 23:04.26 | jelly-home | enouf: not teaching anyone, just ego stroking ;-) like "A: dude, this is so cool... B: yeah, I know about it. A+B: yeah, we're so cool" |
| 23:04.28 | SpeS_Dimi | I see strange things (?) |
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| 23:04.35 | rfrank | agh |
| 23:04.38 | rfrank | freaking always have the same problem |
| 23:04.51 | rfrank | upgrade to unstable and it decides to uninstall the old kernel without installinga new one |
| 23:05.08 | GeorgeS069 | SpeS_Dimi: I'm using etch and it's just fine on my laptop but,I did a clean install |
| 23:05.08 | rfrank | I even dpkg -l | grep "kernel-image" and it showed up, but no, no |
| 23:05.12 | rfrank | of course it can't work |
| 23:05.21 | SpeS_Dimi | GeorgeS069, ok... |
| 23:05.43 | enouf | jelly-home: actually? .. those too dumb to know what Debian really is/means will fall by the wayside anyways eventually .. I don't mind at alll .. especially not for 1 (known) b0z0 amongst us |
| 23:05.44 | GeorgeS069 | rfrank: try "linux-image" |
| 23:05.53 | SpeS_Dimi | rfrank, ey! but you'll learn a lot this way ;) |
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| 23:06.11 | rfrank | yeah but this is the third time installing debian onto it, it's frustrating |
| 23:06.38 | jelly-home | enouf: I have no idea what you're talking about. :-) /me goes off to play with his nifty windows 2003 server |
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| 23:07.09 | dim | WNPP php4-ffmpeg with sarge backport! |
| 23:07.40 | enouf | jelly-home: wtf? |
| 23:07.43 | GeorgeS069 | rfrank: in the newer debian(Etch and Sid) kernel-image has been replaced with linux-image in the package names |
| 23:07.56 | enouf | jelly-home: it's a drink with bicardi |
| 23:08.16 | jelly-home | enouf: oh, not the mojito, that stuff before |
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| 23:08.34 | enouf | jelly-home: you ARE the regular jelly .. yes? |
| 23:08.44 | jelly-home | enouf: yep. |
| 23:08.52 | enouf | welcome home ;-) |
| 23:08.58 | jelly-home | enouf: not regular, euro-super 98! |
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| 23:09.06 | jelly-home | unleaded |
| 23:09.20 | enouf | jelly-home: we be jammin ? |
| 23:09.56 | jelly-home | enouf: I'll stop with the nonsense contest in 3... 2... |
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| 23:10.33 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 23:10.33 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 23:10.55 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 23:10.55 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 23:10.58 | enouf | !qotd |
| 23:10.59 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 23:11.05 | Gnurdux | !moo |
| 23:11.05 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:11.30 | enouf | wtf happened to qotd0 ? |
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| 23:12.10 | rahul | !qotd0 |
| 23:12.11 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 23:12.13 | jelly-home | enouf: qotd0 is a random pull from all the qotds |
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| 23:12.24 | enouf | jelly-home: I know .. it didn't work |
| 23:12.28 | rahul | yours was 18:10 < dpkg> -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 23:12.32 | rahul | sure it did |
| 23:12.36 | jelly-home | hehe |
| 23:12.40 | jelly-home | !confuse enouf |
| 23:12.40 | dpkg | Yes, where was my gerbil today, enouf? wellies of the republic of mongolia with extra herring |
| 23:12.48 | enouf | that's a qotd0 ? .. I GOT JIPPED! |
| 23:12.50 | timlarson | I am trying to install yahoo messenger's deb package...but I have libss10.9.8 and it wants libss10.9.6 |
| 23:12.55 | timlarson | can I override this? |
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| 23:13.02 | rahul | !jip enouf |
| 23:13.19 | rahul | !jip enough is <reply>-!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 23:13.19 | dpkg | okay, rahul |
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| 23:13.22 | rahul | !jip enouf |
| 23:13.27 | enouf | bastage |
| 23:13.29 | rahul | wtf |
| 23:13.32 | jelly-home | timlarson: if it's linked against libssl0.9.6 is just won't work with libssl0.9.8 |
| 23:13.34 | rahul | !penixstrike dpkg |
| 23:13.35 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dpkg to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:13.37 | enouf | !forget jip |
| 23:13.37 | dpkg | enouf: i didn't have anything called 'jip' to forget |
| 23:13.45 | enouf | !forget jip enouf |
| 23:13.45 | dpkg | enouf: i didn't have anything called 'jip enouf' to forget |
| 23:13.47 | rahul | hahaha |
| 23:13.47 | rpc | what are the typical places to check when your remote box dies out of the blue and needs a reset? i would like to find out what has happened in there |
| 23:13.50 | rahul | I'm a tool |
| 23:13.55 | enouf | rahul: you're f-a-s-t |
| 23:13.55 | rahul | !forget jip enough |
| 23:13.55 | dpkg | i forgot jip enough, rahul |
| 23:14.05 | enouf | rahul: I do the same shit man |
| 23:14.14 | jelly-home | timlarson: you can get libssl0.9.6 from stable |
| 23:14.21 | hatta | /var/log |
| 23:14.40 | rpc | hatta digging in there, can't see anything suspicious |
| 23:14.43 | enouf | wtf? .. you misspellllleeeeelllllleddddd me? .. now that's r-u-d-e |
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| 23:14.57 | timlarson | I will try that. |
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| 23:15.33 | scv | what's going on here? |
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| 23:16.38 | enouf | !tabcompletesmite raul |
| 23:16.38 | dpkg | drops buckets of abrotman methane farts all over rahul's lap .. and his laptop |
| 23:16.41 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 23:17.11 | jelly-home | rpc: the console if access to it is available remotely. /var/log as said above, esp. kern.log. |
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| 23:17.17 | enouf | !forget tabcompletesmite raul |
| 23:17.18 | dpkg | enouf: i forgot tabcompletesmite raul |
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| 23:17.38 | rpc | and what tools besides chkrootkit i could use to check for rootkits and such? |
| 23:17.51 | enouf | rpc frontal lobe |
| 23:18.01 | rpc | jelly-home thank you, checking that |
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| 23:18.16 | rpc | enouf oh that one i never heard about to be honest... thank you, reading up |
| 23:18.38 | Stapol | Nnn |
| 23:18.39 | Stapol | Mmm |
| 23:18.40 | enouf | rpc see debain security .. lemme seee where that's gone now |
| 23:18.42 | rpc | i saw Checking `bindshell'... INFECTED (PORTS: 600) - but this one disappeared after i disabled nfs-common |
| 23:18.47 | Stapol | Whats the GRUB boot variable to boot into X resolution |
| 23:18.48 | rahul | heh |
| 23:18.52 | rahul | wtf |
| 23:18.54 | enouf | !security |
| 23:18.54 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade". If you're still running woody, consider "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" for non-us security, or ask me about testing security or unstable security |
| 23:18.57 | rpc | enouf thank you |
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| 23:19.25 | rpc | there must be some damn reason, box can't just die out of the blue without no signs in logs |
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| 23:19.29 | Stapol | Whats the GRUB boot variable to boot into X resolution |
| 23:19.30 | rpc | or can it die like that? :) |
| 23:19.44 | enouf | rpc: visit the main site and find the security reference of somesuch it's called .. it's intermingled amongst the devel docs I think |
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| 23:20.00 | rpc | thank you once again |
| 23:20.05 | rahul | Stapol: does not compute. |
| 23:20.09 | rahul | grub does nothing with X. |
| 23:20.18 | enouf | rpc: your box died? |
| 23:20.18 | jelly-home | rpc: chkrootkit is known for false positives, so take that into account |
| 23:20.21 | Stapol | ? |
| 23:20.24 | rahul | ; |
| 23:20.24 | Stapol | WTF are you talking about |
| 23:20.29 | Stapol | X represents a variable |
| 23:20.29 | rahul | WTF are YOU talking about? |
| 23:20.33 | Stapol | As in X resolution |
| 23:20.39 | Stapol | x = w/e resolution I type |
| 23:20.40 | rahul | what kind of variable? |
| 23:20.45 | Stapol | RESOLUTION |
| 23:20.46 | Stapol | So like |
| 23:20.47 | fas3r | i want install radius authentification on my debian and i want to know if it's possible to create the key on an other computer or it's specific to the radius installation ? |
| 23:20.54 | jelly-home | Stapol: graphical framebuffer? |
| 23:20.56 | rahul | Stapol: fb or vga? |
| 23:20.56 | Stapol | -boot resolution 1280x1024 |
| 23:20.59 | Stapol | vga |
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| 23:21.13 | rahul | you need to find the vga text mode ID number |
| 23:21.14 | Eclipser | 1280x1024 is nowhere near vga |
| 23:21.21 | Stapol | Whats the way |
| 23:21.25 | Stapol | To make the boot resolution |
| 23:21.28 | Stapol | To set boot resolution |
| 23:21.32 | Stapol | Through grub |
| 23:21.33 | fas3r | if you prefer i have an old computer, it's a 133 mmx with 256 Mo .. it's just for a 1024 bits keys :s |
| 23:21.39 | rahul | append vga=0x34D or whatever to the parameters |
| 23:21.46 | jelly-home | Stapol: X is the window system. You're probably talking about framebuffer console, that is, console in graphic mode |
| 23:21.53 | Stapol | WTf? |
| 23:21.56 | rahul | jelly-home: or vga text mode console |
| 23:21.58 | enouf | rpc: another nice site to explore is debian-administration.org .. hopefully no typos ;-) |
| 23:21.58 | Stapol | forget x |
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| 23:22.08 | Stapol | Im saying |
| 23:22.10 | Stapol | I have GRUB |
| 23:22.17 | Stapol | my debian Is booting into a weird resolution |
| 23:22.21 | enouf | !potatoe |
| 23:22.22 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
| 23:22.25 | Stapol | Whats the GRUB boot command to set the resolution |
| 23:22.49 | zOap | I get error "missing gtk+" when I try to compile a package. but what the hell. When I search for gtk+ in apt I get like hundreds of hits... what package should I install? |
| 23:22.52 | enouf | Stapol: see /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:22.55 | HymnToLife | !potato |
| 23:22.56 | dpkg | well, potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 23:22.59 | rpc | how about: Please inspect: /dev/.static (directory) /dev/.udev (directory) /dev/.initramfs (directory) ? |
| 23:23.02 | Stapol | ENOUF I know that |
| 23:23.04 | jelly-home | Stapol: do you have "weird resolution" when grub starts, or after the kernel is loaded? |
| 23:23.08 | Stapol | But I can't get into it |
| 23:23.11 | enouf | Stapol: so WtF? |
| 23:23.11 | Stapol | After kenel is loaded |
| 23:23.14 | Stapol | I reinstalled |
| 23:23.16 | Stapol | I MEAN THROUGH GRUB |
| 23:23.17 | enouf | why not? |
| 23:23.27 | Stapol | THERES A BOOT OPTION TO SET RESOLUTION ON BOOTING IS THERE NOT? |
| 23:23.33 | jelly-home | Stapol: in grub, edit the kernel ... line |
| 23:23.36 | enouf | Stapol: yep |
| 23:23.54 | Stapol | But what do I put |
| 23:23.55 | Stapol | in the line |
| 23:23.56 | jelly-home | Stapol: remove any arguments like vga=some-number and/or video=... |
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| 23:24.25 | enouf | Stapol: see http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt?v=2.6.18 |
| 23:24.27 | jelly-home | Stapol: then boot it... it should not use framebuffer any more |
| 23:24.55 | jelly-home | s/should/ought to/ (probably) |
| 23:24.58 | rahul | !lart Stapol |
| 23:25.05 | rahul | wtf. |
| 23:25.15 | enouf | Stapol: also http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html |
| 23:25.33 | enouf | Stapol: and STOP fscken around with bootsplash crap! |
| 23:25.34 | rahul | Stapol: it's not our fault that you don't want to look at a vga mode list and find the mode you want |
| 23:25.39 | rpc | hm i couldn't connect to a remote box but as far as i can see in logs it was UP all the time, could it be that br0 just fux0red up? |
| 23:25.45 | enouf | Stapol: learn to boot once a YEAR .. maybe |
| 23:25.48 | rahul | Stapol: or that you don't even know that you're using fbcon |
| 23:26.07 | jelly-home | rahul: why should he know, if he's a beginner? |
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| 23:26.18 | jelly-home | rahul: it's not an exactly logical concept |
| 23:26.19 | Stapol | What do you mean rahul |
| 23:26.25 | Stapol | Im not a debian fan |
| 23:26.26 | rahul | why should he be yelling at us, because he's a beginner? |
| 23:26.28 | Stapol | ub was easier :| |
| 23:26.40 | rahul | Stapol: grub is grub |
| 23:26.41 | enouf | GO THERE .. now! |
| 23:26.48 | jelly-home | rahul: TO MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND HIM BETTER :-) |
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| 23:26.56 | rahul | jelly-home: OH REALLY? |
| 23:27.02 | jelly-home | rahul: DO... YOU... COPY? :-) |
| 23:27.03 | rahul | MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK LIKE THIS TO HIM? |
| 23:27.03 | enouf | wtf? |
| 23:27.15 | enouf | THAT SOUNDS GOOD! |
| 23:27.18 | sa6oook | ppls! |
| 23:27.18 | rahul | !!! |
| 23:27.18 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 23:27.20 | Stapol | COOl |
| 23:27.22 | sa6oook | help |
| 23:27.23 | Stapol | I UNDERSTAND |
| 23:27.29 | rahul | DO YOU? |
| 23:27.29 | rpc | HELLO? |
| 23:27.32 | rahul | heh |
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| 23:27.43 | enouf | Stapol: you wil be removed if you don't stop |
| 23:27.44 | Stapol | HI |
| 23:27.46 | dkr | CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL |
| 23:27.47 | jelly-home | rahul: have you ever worked at tech support? |
| 23:27.50 | Stapol | Mmm |
| 23:27.50 | rpc | h3110? |
| 23:28.01 | rahul | jelly-home: no fucking way |
| 23:28.08 | enouf | way |
| 23:28.10 | sa6oook | every time when i boot in my linux ,xorg.conf file is rewritten and NVIDIA is changed to NV |
| 23:28.17 | sa6oook | can somebody tell me why ? |
| 23:28.24 | rahul | if I did, I'd join the marines just to learn how to kill people efficiently |
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| 23:28.31 | jelly-home | rahul: there's all sorts of crazy users... learn to ignore their idiosyncracies (sp?) and get the raw debug data from them |
| 23:28.39 | enouf | take-off ... to the great white north .. it's wayne's world |
| 23:28.44 | dotCOMmie | sa6oook: Yeah, RMS lives at your house. |
| 23:28.47 | jelly-home | rahul: this channel is a support channel. |
| 23:28.53 | scv | hahaha |
| 23:29.03 | rahul | jelly-home: when someone pays me $60/hr to do that, I'll learn the techniques needed :) |
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| 23:29.45 | jelly-home | rahul: it's common courtesy, if you want to help someone, it's best to ignore the rough edges |
| 23:29.49 | enouf | jeffwheeler: many who come here not only want their software for free . but want brains for free .. the software and docs, I have no issue with .. but non-reading barbies must not be tolerated :-) |
| 23:30.02 | rahul | shrug, if someone wants help, it's best for them to be polite |
| 23:30.04 | enouf | jeffwheeler: Who the fuc kare you? |
| 23:30.10 | fsmunoz | dotCOMmie, ahahahahahaha |
| 23:30.14 | enouf | jelly-home: ^^^^ |
| 23:30.27 | enouf | !typosmite me |
| 23:30.31 | rahul | unless they're paying me to deal with their rudness :) |
| 23:30.31 | jeffwheeler | enouf: a Debian user? |
| 23:30.35 | rahul | haha |
| 23:30.45 | enouf | jeffwheeler: just kidding .. my apologies |
| 23:30.54 | jeffwheeler | enouf: I know. No worries. :) |
| 23:31.00 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: I apologize for the co-user's behaviour. ;-) |
| 23:31.01 | rahul | FREE JELLO SHOTS TONIGHT |
| 23:31.03 | sa6oook | <dotCOMmie> can you help or ? |
| 23:31.14 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: not my first time here; don't worry |
| 23:31.14 | enouf | !titties |
| 23:31.14 | dpkg | titties is, like, nice |
| 23:31.17 | rahul | and after the shots, you get to watch a hot chick touch my nose |
| 23:31.20 | enouf | w00t |
| 23:31.21 | dotCOMmie | sa6oook: no, just a joke. |
| 23:31.27 | sa6oook | ok |
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| 23:32.03 | jelly-home | !friday |
| 23:32.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, friday is Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 23:32.08 | dotCOMmie | sa6oook: actually one thing.. Ive seen xorg use wrong xorg file.. |
| 23:32.11 | dkr | can I upgrade a system(from redhat to debian) on the fly without any repartitioning? just chroot into a debootstrap in the same fielsystem, configure it with same services, copy data, and reboot into new debian root? |
| 23:32.11 | jeffwheeler | What's the best way to handle this: I have a Debian machine at school that isn't allowed to be connected onto the network, but I have a thumb-drive that can go between them, which I've been using to move .deb files to the Debian machine. |
| 23:32.42 | sa6oook | yes i think u can |
| 23:32.42 | dotCOMmie | sa6oook: I had a backup xorg file in ~root and when I restarted xorg in ~root it used the ~root/xorg.conf file |
| 23:32.51 | dotCOMmie | took me for ever to realize.. |
| 23:32.52 | rahul | dkr: yes |
| 23:33.02 | rahul | dkr: it can be a little delicate at points, but it's quite doable |
| 23:33.06 | jeffwheeler | Like, is there a way I should partition my thumb drive to make Apt recognize it like a repository? Would it save me anything? |
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| 23:33.25 | rahul | enouf hasn't eaten enouf today |
| 23:33.39 | sa6oook | hmm ,when i reboot in the same user ,drivers fail's , |
| 23:33.39 | enouf | Eating Raul! |
| 23:33.46 | scead | hi, does anyone know why there is no nvidia kernel package to go with the latest kernel image? |
| 23:33.47 | enouf | er .. maybe not ;-) |
| 23:33.51 | scead | in debian unstable |
| 23:33.54 | sa6oook | and make ro be rewritten |
| 23:34.09 | jelly-home | scead: it hasn't been built yet? |
| 23:34.17 | sa6oook | xorg.conf ,but only change is nvidia 2 nv |
| 23:34.25 | robin_sz | yay. bring me my new laptop already! |
| 23:34.26 | jeffwheeler | so, is it just easiest to keep it unformatted as plain .debs? |
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| 23:34.35 | sa6oook | the driver works fine ,but i need to change it each time .. . |
| 23:34.35 | scead | its odd |
| 23:34.41 | sa6oook | in xorg.conf |
| 23:34.43 | scead | it usually gets built straight away |
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| 23:35.00 | rahul | enouf: HEH. |
| 23:35.25 | rahul | scead: because you didn't pay the autobuilder the requisite fee |
| 23:35.40 | scead | oh |
| 23:35.48 | scead | where do i send this fee? |
| 23:35.52 | rahul | no one knows. |
| 23:36.08 | scead | :) |
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| 23:36.32 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: you can create a local repository on the machine itself when you copy the debs over |
| 23:37.02 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: wait, what would be the advantage of that? |
| 23:37.26 | rahul | jeffwheeler: the person helping you has been eaten |
| 23:37.42 | rahul | jeffwheeler: please hold while we wait for the next helper to become available |
| 23:37.44 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: nothing much |
| 23:38.00 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: ha, I guess I'll just keep it the way it is, then |
| 23:38.13 | scead | ok, thnx anyway |
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| 23:38.18 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: how are you updating the apt-cache and package lists? |
| 23:38.31 | bonez39 | what would make an application like CUPS open and run fine with loading with 127.0.0.1:631/ yet fail to open when localhost:631/? |
| 23:38.32 | jeffwheeler | I'm not using apt; I've been manually using dpkg -i. |
| 23:38.45 | rahul | bonez39: b0rked /etc/hosts? |
| 23:38.50 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: that's just gross, but might work for stable |
| 23:39.06 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: I'm a complete newbie. Can you show me a better way? |
| 23:39.15 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: *thinking* |
| 23:39.31 | enouf | jeffwheeler: explain again .. and more concisely this time |
| 23:39.45 | jelly-home | enouf: he wants to apt-get upgrade an offline machine |
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| 23:40.24 | enouf | jeffwheeler: hint: remove the pronouns from " I have a Debian machine at school that isn't allowed to be connected onto the network, but I have a thumb-drive that can go between them, which I've been using to move .deb files to the Debian machine." |
| 23:40.24 | psychonate | hmm, how can I mount a usb device |
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| 23:40.25 | psychonate | or for that matter, find out which it is in /dev |
| 23:41.05 | bonez39 | rahul, perhaps.....can I provide you a pastebin number and get your opinion? |
| 23:41.18 | jeffwheeler | enouf: "I have a Debian machine at school (and the Debian machine) isn't allowed to be connected onto the (school) network, but I have a thumb-drive that can go between (the school computers connected to the internet and the server), which I've been using to move .deb files to the Debian machine." |
| 23:41.19 | rahul | bonez39: or nsswitch.conf |
| 23:41.22 | enouf | jeffwheeler: jelly-home apt-ftparchive ,, or apt-cdrom? |
| 23:41.28 | rahul | don't have time to go into detail now |
| 23:41.46 | psychonate | eh, anybody |
| 23:41.57 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: I think they just show up as scsi drives so it should be the first available scsi device sda if you don't have any other scsi drives |
| 23:41.58 | jeffwheeler | enouf: hmm? presumably a thumb, not ftp or cd |
| 23:42.21 | psychonate | hmm, don't have any sd* |
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| 23:42.30 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: eh, thumb, cd, they all hold files |
| 23:42.40 | psychonate | I see about 12 usbdev* |
| 23:42.44 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: indeed; so, I should use apt-cdrom? |
| 23:42.47 | jelly-home | enouf: and keep it updated |
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| 23:43.15 | rpc | are there any limits as of adding virtual nics (tapx) to br0 device? will that affect network performance? |
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| 23:43.28 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: there should be a way to update the cdrom image on the thumb, I personally haven't used this method |
| 23:43.49 | enouf | apt-zip and it's variants? jelly-home |
| 23:43.55 | psychonate | GeorgeS069, do I need any other usb modules loaded besides usbcore? |
| 23:44.01 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: what do you mean update the image? As in, put the main Debian cd repository onto my thumb, and make apt-cdrom recognize it? |
| 23:44.19 | jelly-home | !info apt-zip sarge |
| 23:44.19 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: I'm not sure |
| 23:44.22 | dpkg | apt-zip: (Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.13.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 23:44.35 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: this apt-zip thing sounds promising |
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| 23:44.41 | enouf | we have a winnar? :-) |
| 23:44.42 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: absolutely; thanks! |
| 23:44.49 | psychonate | How can I see all available modules (not just loaded)? |
| 23:44.55 | enouf | !win jelly-home |
| 23:44.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won a one way ticket to Christmas Island! |
| 23:44.58 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: lsmod |
| 23:45.00 | cherry_laptop | hoi guys, i got a problem with the debian-31r4-netinstall, at the end of basis-system-installation i got the msg: grub-package couldnt be installed to /target/ --- installing grub in MBR didnt work too --- and "grub install hd(0)" also didnt work |
| 23:45.16 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: oops...that just shows what is loaded |
| 23:45.18 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: to get it on there in the first place, what do you recommend? the dpkg I've been using? |
| 23:45.24 | enouf | er I meant prize .. but win will suffice jelly-home :-) |
| 23:45.25 | jelly-home | enouf: I usually don't do !win until the user reports back the thing works |
| 23:45.25 | hatter | psychonate: modconf |
| 23:45.26 | Kevin` | psychonate find /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 23:45.38 | enouf | !pony jelly-home |
| 23:45.45 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: yeah, dpkg -i like usual |
| 23:45.51 | hatter | !monkeys jelly-home |
| 23:45.53 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: okay, thanks |
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| 23:46.54 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: this is gonna require that there is another Debian box connected, isn't ther? |
| 23:46.55 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: I would think any other usb modules needed would load when the thumb drive was inserted |
| 23:46.56 | jeffwheeler | * there |
| 23:47.21 | psychonate | I see no sd* entry though in /dev |
| 23:47.22 | enouf | jelly-home: man the various apt-zip, apt-zip-inst, apt-zip-list manpages |
| 23:47.26 | |dennis| | question: I posted a question about last week about apt-proxy and some computers stalling at 99% when downloading some packages....i though that it was the blasted internet conenction...for some reson its happening again,.....i looked at the file name that it was downloading..it has a colon in it...but when downloading it on the client comp...it replaces the colon (:) with a percentage symbol..you think that coule causing problems?? |
| 23:47.29 | enouf | reem jeffwheeler |
| 23:47.37 | enouf | bah b0z0 |
| 23:48.22 | enouf | jeffwheeler: man the various apt-zip, apt-zip-inst, apt-zip-list manpages <-- once installed in case you missed that |
| 23:48.39 | jeffwheeler | enouf: yep, okay |
| 23:48.53 | enouf | psychonate: lshal | grep block.device |
| 23:48.57 | jelly-home | hatter: yippee! And by that I mean a reference to http://www.cheshirecrossing.net/page.php?issue=2&pagenum=17 |
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| 23:49.16 | jeffwheeler | enouf: it's going to be a bit inconvenient, because I don't have any Debian machines available at school; I suppose I can run Ubuntu live and connect the drive to that, and run the scripts it generates using that |
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| 23:49.21 | psychonate | enouf, I see fd0 (floppy) and then just hd* |
| 23:49.29 | enouf | psychonate: not good |
| 23:49.39 | psychonate | this is a camera btw |
| 23:49.44 | enouf | !tell psychonate -about usbstorage |
| 23:51.12 | enouf | jeffwheeler: apologies.. must take on less complicated non-gnubooboo tasks :-) .. I mean I thought you did have a Debian box at school, but just couldn't hook into the school network |
| 23:51.43 | enouf | !more mojito |
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| 23:52.15 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: what I've in limited bandwidth environment was to reproduce the whole apt configuration on an online machine (the config, /var/cache/apt, /var/lib/apt), and then rsync that between the two. This could be used in your case, but also requires that the online machine be running debian (or at least apt) too. |
| 23:52.26 | excelblue | when I have a package that is not covered by the apt repositories, what is the recommended action I should take? |
| 23:52.26 | jelly-home | *used |
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| 23:52.36 | excelblue | should I just install it without apt and manage it manually? |
| 23:52.38 | jeffwheeler | enouf: I mean, I have one Debian machine amongst a gazillion Windows machines. I'm simply not _allowed_ to connect the Debian machine, so I was looking for a medium. |
| 23:52.40 | Th3On3 | Hello... |
| 23:52.58 | Th3On3 | is there some channel to exchange free TTF fonts ??? |
| 23:53.00 | jeffwheeler | enouf: Sorry, I think you had it right to begin with. |
| 23:53.12 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: can you install software on a windows machine? :-) |
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| 23:53.33 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: yes, but it'll be removed by DeepFreeze on restart. |
| 23:53.40 | bonez39 | what should one have at the top of one's /etc/hosts? |
| 23:53.56 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: maybe you could be allowed to have a proxy with access to ftp.us.debian.org and security.debian.org only |
| 23:54.06 | bonez39 | mine includes 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain fyrenice fyrenice.com scott |
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| 23:54.25 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: I wish. No way I can get that past the bereaucracy, though. :D |
| 23:55.14 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: oh well. is the machine networked at least locally to the windows ones? |
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| 23:55.22 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: I'm thinking apt-zip and another live Ubuntu disc will be easiest. |
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| 23:55.25 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: Nope. |
| 23:55.39 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: (Or, at least not when they're connected to the network...) |
| 23:55.39 | psychonate | er, I don't get it |
| 23:55.51 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: then something like apt-zip is the only viable option |
| 23:56.04 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: Yep, okay. |
| 23:56.06 | psychonate | dmesg even says "usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2" |
| 23:56.13 | psychonate | but there's nothing in /dev/sd* |
| 23:56.52 | jelly-home | and it's NOT ironic |
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| 23:57.34 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: check /var/log/dmesg and see if it's detecting the thumb drive when it's inserted |
| 23:57.44 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: it's mostly because every machine is required to run DeepFreeze, which means nothing can ever change in the entire network... |
| 23:57.51 | Th3On3 | any1 can provide me this font (leviathan.ttf) ???? |
| 23:57.54 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: and Debian doesn't have this |
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| 23:58.25 | psychonate | GeorgeS069, it's a camera. Should it work the same way? |
| 23:58.57 | GeorgeS069 | psychonate: It should show something in dmesg when you insert it atleast...maybe some sort of error |
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| 23:59.18 | psychonate | GeorgeS069, I already posted what dmesg said |
| 23:59.28 | jelly-home | jeffwheeler: if you could have a windows machine and debian online at the same time, you could set up a http proxy but this would probably be a breach of policy |
| 23:59.37 | robin_sz | is it still valentines day? |
| 23:59.51 | jeffwheeler | jelly-home: yep; they say nay |
