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| 00:02.06 | Quintin | Burzhi: dunno. google for your cam part |
| 00:02.24 | Burzhi | I have, |
| 00:02.24 | Quintin | Burzhi: I'd just buy a USB headset. I'll sell you a linux-certified one, cheap! |
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| 00:02.28 | Burzhi | I only came across some non-working support thing |
| 00:02.32 | Burzhi | not support, driver* |
| 00:02.55 | Burzhi | Hmm, Linux really needs better USB peripheral support :( |
| 00:03.07 | madd_matt | Burzhi, what is it? |
| 00:03.22 | Burzhi | It's a Logitech Quickcam Web |
| 00:03.37 | Burzhi | Would be about 5 years old or so by now, maybe a little more even |
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| 00:04.14 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 00:04.14 | dpkg | i guess webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 00:04.16 | madd_matt | Burzhi, there is a good chance its supported. |
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| 00:05.02 | hlpwfuse | hi, for some reason my mmc card reader worked fine on kernel 2.6.8.2 but not on 2.6.18 ; why ? |
| 00:05.19 | Burzhi | madd_matt, well, if it is, how do I get it working? |
| 00:05.25 | madd_matt | Burzhi, if its the same as mine, install qc-usb-utils and qc-usb-source with apt-get, then m-a a-i qc-usb |
| 00:06.16 | Burzhi | Hmm, okay, I got the packages |
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| 00:06.50 | Burzhi | What do you mean by m-a a-i qc-usb? |
| 00:06.54 | madd_matt | Burzhi, "module-assistant auto-install qc-usb" or "m-a a-i qc-usb" |
| 00:06.57 | madd_matt | run that command |
| 00:07.04 | madd_matt | it'll install the kernel module |
| 00:07.39 | Cybane | Oh cool this is fricken sweet |
| 00:07.42 | Burzhi | Hmm, what's the exact syntax then? :/ |
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| 00:08.25 | madd_matt | Burzhi, "m-a a-i qc-usb" as root should do it |
| 00:08.47 | Burzhi | bash: m-a a-i qc-usb: command not found |
| 00:08.53 | madd_matt | Are you root? |
| 00:08.56 | Burzhi | Yep |
| 00:09.09 | madd_matt | Burzhi, d'oh, apt-get install module-assistant |
| 00:09.12 | Burzhi | I doubt that 3 separate phrases will be a command though |
| 00:09.12 | Burzhi | ah |
| 00:09.14 | Burzhi | okay ;) |
| 00:09.21 | js_ | Burzhi: dont quote it |
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| 00:09.41 | madd_matt | js_, do'h didn't notice he was quoting :P |
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| 00:10.19 | Burzhi | ooh, okay |
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| 00:10.29 | Burzhi | I ran the command, worked since installing module-assistant |
| 00:10.41 | Burzhi | went through a CLI-colored "install" kind of thing |
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| 00:11.02 | willis2 | Someone please help, It is telling me that it is very dangerous to remove a kernel image while in that kernel. Should i? |
| 00:11.16 | karmatronic | Burzhi, what eaxct model of webcam is it ? |
| 00:11.27 | karmatronic | s/eaxct/exact |
| 00:11.36 | rahul | willis2: don't remove it |
| 00:11.43 | Burzhi | VCAM U1 I think |
| 00:11.44 | rahul | willis2: you know it works, so it's a fallback |
| 00:11.45 | Burzhi | It's faded |
| 00:11.48 | Burzhi | I'm not sure if that's right |
| 00:12.00 | Burzhi | yeah, it is |
| 00:12.14 | willis2 | keep it than |
| 00:12.19 | rahul | willis2: install the new kernel you want and test it out. if it works, you can then remove the old one |
| 00:12.35 | willis2 | ok |
| 00:12.37 | willis2 | thank you |
| 00:13.10 | willis2 | how do i check which kernel i'm using, my lilo does not give me a choice? |
| 00:13.19 | Burzhi | Hmm, okay |
| 00:13.25 | Plazma | willis2, uname -a |
| 00:13.32 | Burzhi | What would I do now, karmatronic, seeing as I know the model number? |
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| 00:13.52 | Burzhi | Or madd_matt, what would I do now after running that command? |
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| 00:14.27 | karmatronic | Burzhi, modprobe qc-usb |
| 00:14.33 | karmatronic | and then dmesg |
| 00:14.44 | karmatronic | to see if your webcam is recognized |
| 00:14.46 | Burzhi | FATAL: Module qc_usb not found. |
| 00:15.01 | Plazma | wouldnt it be just an ohci device? |
| 00:15.10 | karmatronic | did you do m-a a-i qc-usb |
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| 00:15.36 | Burzhi | Nope, doesn't look like it is recognised |
| 00:15.41 | Burzhi | I did do that though |
| 00:15.46 | Burzhi | But I'll do it again maybe |
| 00:16.00 | Plazma | Burzhi, try dmesg |
| 00:16.02 | Plazma | err |
| 00:16.02 | stoned | Burzum |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 00:16.06 | Plazma | dmesg | grep ohci |
| 00:16.30 | abrotman | i thought we had a ban on 'root' ? |
| 00:16.34 | Burzhi | okay, it's returned a few lines |
| 00:16.39 | stoned | man that sesame chicken kicked my ass |
| 00:16.51 | Burzhi | What now Plazma? |
| 00:17.04 | Plazma | paste what you see on pastebin - dont paste in room |
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| 00:17.12 | Burzhi | Okay |
| 00:17.18 | abrotman | !tell root about root |
| 00:17.18 | x_link | Hi.. I just have a question.. But not sure it's about Debian.. |
| 00:17.19 | Burzhi | root, don't IRC as root |
| 00:17.28 | abrotman | x_link: just ask |
| 00:17.29 | Burzhi | login to another user and irc from that. |
| 00:17.31 | x_link | Before I did this debian etch re-install I had this game called Supertux |
| 00:17.41 | stoned | supertux is bomb |
| 00:17.43 | x_link | When i played it then it was on fullscreen the whole game. |
| 00:17.46 | x_link | stoned: I LOVE it |
| 00:18.06 | stoned | hey if you like those games |
| 00:18.08 | x_link | But now after the re-install it's still on fullscreen, but the game doesn't cover up the whole screen |
| 00:18.15 | stoned | google for one called Super Maryo Chronicles |
| 00:18.15 | x_link | It's alot smaller |
| 00:18.23 | stoned | its fantastic |
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| 00:18.24 | x_link | stoned: I will |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | try changing the resolution of the game |
| 00:18.40 | x_link | Could somebody PLEASE help me with this? |
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| 00:18.46 | x_link | abrotman: You can't do that with Supertux |
| 00:18.51 | Burzhi | Plazma, http://pastecode.com/14455 |
| 00:18.52 | abrotman | stupid game! |
| 00:18.58 | x_link | I have the same resolution ass I had before and the sae Hz |
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| 00:19.13 | stoned | sdl and fullscreen |
| 00:19.18 | x_link | abrotman: When i installed Debian etch I had some problems with the resolution, but I fixed it. It might be that |
| 00:19.19 | stoned | or is it opengl |
| 00:19.26 | x_link | sdl? |
| 00:19.31 | x_link | stoned: I don't have opengl enabled |
| 00:19.37 | x_link | Cause it laggs sometimes. |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | !depends supertux etch |
| 00:19.51 | Plazma | Burzhi, ok so your usb hardware is recognized - ie the controller |
| 00:19.54 | dpkg | supertux: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.3), libsdl-mixer1.2 (>= 1.2.6), libsdl1.2debian (>> 1.2.7+1.2.8), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), supertux-data (>= 0.1.2) |
| 00:19.58 | stoned | sdl |
| 00:20.01 | karmatronic | Burzhi, no its not found |
| 00:20.08 | Burzhi | Yeah, I know |
| 00:20.13 | Burzhi | :( |
| 00:20.23 | karmatronic | Burzhi, givwe me the exact model |
| 00:20.28 | x_link | I don't understand=/ and don't understand what to do =/ |
| 00:20.55 | Burzhi | UCAM U1 |
| 00:20.55 | Burzhi | That's it, ka |
| 00:20.55 | Burzhi | karmatronic* |
| 00:20.56 | x_link | stoned: Can you help me? |
| 00:21.01 | Burzhi | Logitech Quickcam Web UCAM U1 |
| 00:21.12 | Plazma | check for drivers on logitech's site Burzhi |
| 00:22.09 | karmatronic | Burzhi, VCAM U1 no ? |
| 00:22.32 | Burzhi | karmatronic, ah yes, VCAM |
| 00:22.38 | Burzhi | The back as faded |
| 00:22.40 | Burzhi | Hard to read |
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| 00:23.22 | willis2 | Does someone know why "temporary failure resolving ' mirrors.kernel.org'" |
| 00:23.26 | willis2 | my sources dont work |
| 00:23.35 | Burzhi | Plazma, nothing for Linux on the site |
| 00:23.47 | karmatronic | Burzhi, could you run lsusb | grep Logitech |
| 00:24.00 | Burzhi | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0801 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Home |
| 00:24.01 | abrotman | willis2: your dns is broken |
| 00:24.01 | Burzhi | aha |
| 00:24.10 | x_link | abrotman: Would you like to explain once more about those files? |
| 00:24.13 | x_link | Is there anything I can do? |
| 00:24.16 | abrotman | x_link: what files ? |
| 00:24.21 | willis2 | how do i reconfigure my dns |
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| 00:24.35 | abrotman | willis2: are you dhcp or static ? |
| 00:24.42 | willis2 | dhcp |
| 00:24.53 | abrotman | then your dhcp server should give oyu working dns servers |
| 00:24.53 | x_link | !depends supertux etch |
| 00:24.55 | x_link | That |
| 00:25.00 | dpkg | supertux: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.0), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.3), libsdl-mixer1.2 (>= 1.2.6), libsdl1.2debian (>> 1.2.7+1.2.8), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), supertux-data (>= 0.1.2) |
| 00:25.04 | Burzhi | karmatronic: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 046d:0801 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Home |
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| 00:25.25 | Quintin_ | Pop quiz for the sysadmin types here... |
| 00:25.29 | willis2 | it is working because i'm on the internet |
| 00:25.35 | willis2 | so my dns is not broken |
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| 00:25.47 | abrotman | x_link: it's an sdl game that probably uses sdl-gl |
| 00:25.52 | Quintin_ | How would you create 100 sequentially numbered files in your current directory? |
| 00:25.56 | x_link | abrotman: ok |
| 00:25.57 | abrotman | willis2: nslookup mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:26.08 | abrotman | Quintin: a for loop and bash |
| 00:26.09 | Quintin | I did it with perl.. wondering if that is the quickest way |
| 00:26.14 | Quintin | abrotman: let's see it.. |
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| 00:26.33 | abrotman | Quintin: you want me to write it for you ? |
| 00:26.36 | willis2 | how can i reconfigure my dns? |
| 00:26.42 | marc\cba | lol abrotman can you write some code for me too, don't worry, i won't pay you |
| 00:26.43 | laser2 | Please some people know how using fileexist in gcc? |
| 00:26.46 | Quintin | abrotman: I've already done it in perl. I want to see it in bash, yes :P |
| 00:26.50 | abrotman | willis2: nslookup mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:26.52 | karmatronic | Burzhi, go there http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:26.54 | abrotman | Quintin: #bash |
| 00:27.00 | marc\cba | good choice |
| 00:27.01 | Quintin | abrotman: pfft. |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | laser2: #gcc ? |
| 00:27.16 | abrotman | Quintin: i know how .. but i can't give away all my secrets :) |
| 00:27.31 | willis2 | no server could be reached |
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| 00:27.41 | Quintin | abrotman: I'll show you mine if you show me yours... I wonder which has fewer chars |
| 00:27.41 | abrotman | nslookup www.yahoo.com |
| 00:27.52 | x_link | I will do a re-install of Debian again. |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | Quintin: i'm not a bash whiz .. that's why i said to ask #bash |
| 00:28.01 | x_link | Cause i notice some other "errors" |
| 00:28.09 | Burzhi | Okay |
| 00:28.15 | karmatronic | Burzhi, or no |
| 00:28.16 | Burzhi | karmatronic, when I make it: /usr/local/include/gnu/stubs.h:7:27: error: gnu/stubs-32.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:28.31 | x_link | The new installer for Debian etch, could that be causing the problems when I had the resolution problem? |
| 00:28.37 | willis2 | timed out i see your point |
| 00:28.39 | karmatronic | Burzhi, with module asssitant you mean ? |
| 00:28.41 | willis2 | how do i reconfigure my setup |
| 00:28.48 | Quintin | abrotman: wouldn't it be a until loop anyway? :p |
| 00:28.53 | Burzhi | karmatronic, when making the thing you linked me to |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | Quintin: why? |
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| 00:29.23 | abrotman | willis2: try to restart your networking and make sure your dhcp server is giving a good set of DNS servers |
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| 00:29.32 | Quintin | abrotman: I don't see how for would be used there. but I'm not a coder much either.. I just see until ( var == 100 ) as how to to it |
| 00:29.34 | sabiancra | i had a 32 bit machine die and I want to install the HDDs into 64bit system, is it possible to just replace the 32 bit kernel with a 64 bit one?? |
| 00:29.54 | Quintin | sabiancrash: no |
| 00:29.57 | willis2 | it is because i'm using another computer right next to it |
| 00:29.58 | abrotman | Quintin: you just want them file1 .. file100 ... or file001 .. file100 ? |
| 00:29.59 | Quintin | sabiancrash: you can probably just move the hdd though |
| 00:30.00 | willis2 | its the setup |
| 00:30.05 | Mongo2 | sup? |
| 00:30.05 | abrotman | sabiancrash: yes |
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| 00:30.12 | willis2 | is there a way to enter the setup |
| 00:30.13 | sabiancrash | I did move the HDDs and it kernel paniced |
| 00:30.14 | jplibre | Quintin: for i in `seq 0 99` ; do touch blah$i; done |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | sabiancrash: but the 64bit box will run the 32bit ok |
| 00:30.18 | abrotman | os |
| 00:30.30 | Quintin | abrotman: either works.. the way I did it was just 1,2,3,4,...100 |
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| 00:30.43 | Quintin | jplibre: hm.. I think you win. mine is a bit longer than that |
| 00:30.44 | jplibre | Quintin: use -w and 00 if you want it to be thus |
| 00:30.51 | sabiancrash | its an athlon 64 3400+ running debian testing |
| 00:31.40 | sabiancrash | so you think that the kernel panic is due to something other than the fact its a 64 bit proc |
| 00:31.49 | rolandlakr | test. |
| 00:31.59 | Quintin | $foo = 1;until($foo == 100){system "touch $foo";$foo++} is what I did |
| 00:31.59 | willis2 | maybe i needed loopback ip? |
| 00:32.00 | jplibre | rolandlakr: it doesn't work |
| 00:32.31 | abrotman | Quintin: /j #flood |
| 00:33.03 | Quintin | .. less than 1 80 char line is a flood? riight |
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| 00:33.18 | abrotman | Quintin: do you want to see or not ? |
| 00:33.24 | Quintin | abrotman: oh :D |
| 00:33.29 | willis2 | how do i setup my dhcp |
| 00:33.32 | Mongo2 | ?? |
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| 00:33.41 | jplibre | Quintin: yeah, that works. here's another: |
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| 00:33.55 | Quintin | abrotman: ty |
| 00:34.03 | jplibre | for i in {00..99}; do touch $i; done |
| 00:34.07 | Quintin | ^ was pl also |
| 00:34.16 | Quintin | !win jplibre |
| 00:34.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, jplibre! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
| 00:34.43 | jplibre | man, that's on the Wrong Coast |
| 00:34.47 | sabiancrash | well yippee |
| 00:34.56 | sabiancrash | i be out |
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| 00:35.20 | Quintin | you can have a piece of my pizza if you're near IN. or a used 14" CRT monitor maybe? |
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| 00:35.37 | abrotman | Quintin: i haven't been in IN in a couple of years |
| 00:35.41 | jplibre | I have to pay people to take away my 20" CRTs :P |
| 00:36.11 | Quintin | jplibre: oooooh. gimmie! I have 2 19" and 2 14" CRTs right now. One I have to leave on constantly or it has weird color issues. |
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| 00:36.45 | jplibre | it would probably cost more in shipping than they are worth, hahaha |
| 00:37.01 | jplibre | not probably. definitely. |
| 00:37.10 | Quintin | year of manufacture? |
| 00:37.19 | jplibre | 1842 |
| 00:37.26 | Quintin | .. |
| 00:37.41 | jplibre | the wood is pretty worn on the front |
| 00:38.05 | Quintin | mine I manged to get both of them for $0.00, so I'm fortunate there |
| 00:38.09 | jplibre | um ... 1999? |
| 00:38.42 | Quintin | well if it's a good brand.. I guess I'd value it at maybe $75? |
| 00:38.46 | jplibre | I have four, they are always being foisted on me but they use too much power to justify and they take up too much damn space |
| 00:39.25 | Quintin | Utilities are included in my rent or I'd be using LCDs, yea |
| 00:39.31 | jplibre | They're pretty sweet flat aperture-grille (sweet if you're a poor college student in 1998) |
| 00:39.48 | jplibre | doesn't matter if you pay for it, it's still a waste of energy |
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| 00:40.08 | jplibre | but this isn't #green so ... |
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| 00:40.35 | zinx | modern CRTs are worse than CRTs from a few years ago |
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| 00:40.43 | willis2 | How do i know if i need loopback on? |
| 00:40.45 | zinx | but better than CRTs from a few years before that :P |
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| 00:41.31 | zinx | most modern CRTs max out at 1280x1024 (yes, 5:4 res on a 4:3 screen, non-square pixels), and do not have enough resolution to properly draw straight horizontal/vertical lines at that resolution (they end up jagged) |
| 00:41.49 | jplibre | zinx: that's crazy talk |
| 00:41.51 | zinx | and they're maybe $20 less at most than LCDs in the US. |
| 00:41.58 | zinx | (of comparable size) |
| 00:42.02 | zinx | jplibre: it's true. |
| 00:42.11 | jplibre | zinx: I know, just poking |
| 00:42.11 | Quintin | jplibre: ok, now I definitely want them. :P neither of mine are flat, sadly. back in Missouri I have a 17" DiamondVision though |
| 00:42.40 | zinx | i should note they *do* have enough resolution to draw all the pixels of the resolution |
| 00:42.42 | Quintin | zinx: lies. both my old 19" do 1600x1200@60 or 1400x1050@75 |
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| 00:42.45 | jplibre | zinx: CRTs are useless at this time IMO - and don't start talking about color reproduction |
| 00:42.50 | zinx | Quintin: key word being old. |
| 00:42.58 | Azar | LinuxBasicCourse (free as in beer) for beginners start on Feb22. Holler who wants so I can throw the link at ye |
| 00:43.05 | jbrown | Hello.. I've tried EVERYTHING to get my system clock right.. and it's not working.. can anyone help? |
| 00:43.08 | Quintin | zinx: you mean you can buy a 19" crt in a store that won't go that high? |
| 00:43.20 | jplibre | zinx: Yes, the aperture-grille monitors of the early 2000s were really nice. 1920x1200 etc |
| 00:43.21 | dvs | jbrown: what have you tried? |
| 00:43.23 | x_link | visudo |
| 00:43.25 | x_link | sedde ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | dvs: moving the hands! |
| 00:43.34 | x_link | But sudo still aks me after password |
| 00:43.35 | dvs | ... |
| 00:43.36 | jbrown | well.. tzconfig does not set it right.. i've tried change the utc=yes/no in rcS.. i've tried changing my bios clocl to utc time and back.. nothing works |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | ntp ? |
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| 00:43.46 | Quintin | !win abrotman |
| 00:43.46 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:43.48 | x_link | It has never done that before.. is there anyway I can do so that it will not ask ? |
| 00:43.49 | abrotman | hwclock ? |
| 00:43.53 | jbrown | i am in US/Eastern and tzconfig is set to that right now... /etc/rcS is set to utc=no... my bios clock is set to gmt -5... and using the date command i get this: Sat Feb 17 01:40:53 CET 2007 |
| 00:44.22 | jplibre | jbrown: what do you see when you 'cat /etc/TIMEZONE' |
| 00:44.30 | zinx | Quintin: Sorry. Looks like 1600x1200@60Hz is common |
| 00:44.35 | jplibre | wait, that may have been a past life |
| 00:44.38 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: set your bios to use UTC. Set UTC=yes. Restart. Set your clock correctly. You're finished. |
| 00:44.38 | Azar | le'ts all warm up for the new DST :) |
| 00:44.46 | zinx | Quintin: but i hope no one would be that mean to their eyes |
| 00:45.00 | dvs | jbrown: unless you also boot Windows |
| 00:45.03 | dondelelcaro | everyting else is just a matter of deciding what timezone you want to be in |
| 00:45.03 | Quintin | I got some Microsoft email about Timezone stuff. I just deleted it and figured the computers would figure it out for me. |
| 00:45.04 | jplibre | Azar: doh, when is that |
| 00:45.10 | Quintin | I just hope I'm not late for something important |
| 00:45.14 | jbrown | jplibre: US/Eastern |
| 00:45.15 | jplibre | I just use UTC these days |
| 00:45.18 | Azar | jplibre: once in March11 and second time on April 1 |
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| 00:45.39 | Azar | falls* |
| 00:45.41 | jplibre | jbrown: and 'date -u' vs 'date' gives you different results? |
| 00:45.45 | Dhjiz | hello |
| 00:46.00 | jplibre | If it's from MicroSoft it MUST BE IMPORTANT |
| 00:46.09 | Azar | so no linux fresh new users here? |
| 00:46.20 | Azar | who's new raise the hand |
| 00:46.45 | jbrown | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.46 | jbrown | root@grmlbox /home/jbrown # |
| 00:47.11 | Azar | CET is centreal eastern time? |
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| 00:47.23 | abrotman | jbrown: hwclock ? |
| 00:47.33 | jbrown | i don't know.. it says that as sate no matter what i do with tzconfig |
| 00:47.44 | abrotman | what does hwclock return ? |
| 00:47.53 | Azar | jplibre: use hwclock says abrotman |
| 00:48.03 | jbrown | Fri 16 Feb 2007 07:47:30 PM CET -0.768105 seconds |
| 00:48.08 | jbrown | for hwclock |
| 00:48.14 | Azar | thats much like it |
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| 00:48.28 | willis2 | anyone know how to dpgk-reconfigure your DHCP or network config?!?!?! |
| 00:48.34 | dvs | jbrown: echo $TZ |
| 00:48.36 | jbrown | so i just set my date to hwclock? |
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| 00:49.31 | Quintin | Azar: user since.. 1994 or something.. sorry :) |
| 00:49.34 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: what does zdump /etc/localtime; return? |
| 00:49.39 | jbrown | that tells me Europe/Vienna |
| 00:49.46 | dvs | jbrown: unset $TZ |
| 00:49.47 | Quintin | jplibre: heh. you'd think that, huh? :P the other stuff I get from them is invites to conference thingies. |
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| 00:50.06 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: then you've either set /etc/localtime to Europe/Vienna, or you've set TZ to that timezone, depending who you're answering. |
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| 00:50.32 | jbrown | dondelelcaro: /etc/localtime Fri Feb 16 19:50:15 2007 EST |
| 00:50.34 | dondelelcaro | /etc/timezone being a configuration file that just tells tzselect which zone to use |
| 00:50.35 | dvs | dondelelcaro: he already said that /etc/timezone was US/Eastern |
| 00:50.58 | dondelelcaro | dvs: /etc/timezone doesn't tell you which timezone the system is actually using. |
| 00:51.12 | dondelelcaro | dvs: it just tells tzselect what zone to copy to /etc/localtime |
| 00:51.22 | jbrown | that's why i think my tzconfig is screwing up somehow |
| 00:51.24 | jplibre | correct, but it's an indication that something is hosed |
| 00:51.47 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: no, it's working fine. You've set TZ to a timezone that you don't want to use. Unset it. |
| 00:51.57 | dvs | !beer me |
| 00:52.07 | Azar | anyways since Etch will be released "When It's Done" let's see other uses of this phrase: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/When_it_0x27_s_Done.aspx |
| 00:52.10 | jbrown | unset $tz? |
| 00:52.11 | jplibre | Quintin: man, MS spam is all over every university these days too. their MSDNAA 'cigarettes to children' program is in full force. |
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| 00:52.17 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: unset TZ; date; |
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| 00:52.26 | banned | excuse me i just donload it the installer for etch? |
| 00:52.33 | banned | is a rar file i uncompressed |
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| 00:52.37 | banned | what is the iso |
| 00:52.38 | haggz | willis2: networking setup and debugging involves several different files and utilities. Reading back in the log, your initial problem was failing to connect to a mirror somewhere? |
| 00:52.43 | banned | i should click on to burn? |
| 00:52.47 | banned | thanks for your help? |
| 00:52.48 | dvs | banned: a cd image |
| 00:52.50 | dondelelcaro | banned: it shouldn't be a rar file; if you download it from a debian mirror, it's just an iso. |
| 00:53.00 | banned | oh ok |
| 00:53.02 | banned | winrar |
| 00:53.06 | jbrown | Fri Feb 16 19:52:33 EST 2007 |
| 00:53.07 | dvs | banned: nero |
| 00:53.10 | banned | treats my isos as arr |
| 00:53.13 | banned | sorry my bad |
| 00:53.21 | banned | thanks |
| 00:53.22 | jbrown | that is correct now.. but will it stay on reboot? |
| 00:53.27 | Azar | jbrown: you nailed it |
| 00:53.29 | dvs | jbrown: I'd reboot to make sure it worked |
| 00:53.43 | Azar | jbrown: will stay until March 11 |
| 00:53.56 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: no; because something is setting TZ. You need to either edit your .bashrc or /etc/profile or whatever is setting TZ, and remove that line. |
| 00:53.57 | jbrown | March 11th? |
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| 00:54.02 | Azar | ..then gonna change, then on April 1st gonna change again... maybe |
| 00:54.14 | dvs | Azar: change again to what? |
| 00:54.27 | Azar | to the old DST setting |
| 00:54.27 | dondelelcaro | dvs: DST stupidity |
| 00:54.34 | dvs | !beer dondelelcaro |
| 00:54.36 | banned | bye now |
| 00:54.46 | Azar | on March11 is the new DST, on Apr 1 is the old DSt hehehe |
| 00:54.57 | willis2 | hagz thank you yes i cannot connect to any server |
| 00:55.09 | Azar | dvs Arizona is better, warm, no DST |
| 00:55.22 | abrotman | swatch internet time! |
| 00:55.28 | dondelelcaro | but that probably won't happen until well after we switch to metric |
| 00:55.30 | dvs | Azar: freeze or fry... freeze or fry... hmmmm... |
| 00:55.37 | Azar | :) |
| 00:55.45 | Quintin | you people are making my head hurt |
| 00:55.45 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i hear it's getting cold in hell ... |
| 00:56.04 | Quintin | Will my computer make all the time crap work? <3 |
| 00:56.40 | Azar | you guys seen that link? 16 hrs to uninstall Half Life2 ? |
| 00:56.42 | dondelelcaro | Quintin: if you've updated your computer recently, yes. |
| 00:57.03 | dondelelcaro | Azar: everyone knows that to uninstall things you have to reinstall. |
| 00:57.24 | Quintin | Azar: There was only 1 thing. it wasn't funny enough to merit a click =\ |
| 00:57.39 | Azar | damn huge one Duke Nukem Forever takes half year? I can't believe that |
| 00:57.41 | haggz | willis2: does "cat /etc/network/interfaces" look like it fits your hardware, configuration, and ISP? |
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| 00:58.01 | jbrown | well guys.. i should confess that i am using grml linux 0.9.. based on debian sid 2.6.18... |
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| 00:58.18 | Azar | OH MY GOD!! sin! |
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| 00:58.22 | Azar | err Sid |
| 00:58.22 | jbrown | lol |
| 00:58.45 | dondelelcaro | gotta love when people based derived distributions on non-sensical versions of debian. |
| 00:58.48 | willis2 | dont think so but not sure, loopback network auto lo, iface lo intet loopback |
| 00:58.53 | willis2 | does this mean loopback is on or off |
| 00:59.03 | Quintin | how exactly can you base something on sid anyway? that's just dumb |
| 00:59.18 | dondelelcaro | willis2: that doesn't tell you anything about whether it's on; that just means that it should have been turned on. |
| 00:59.26 | dondelelcaro | willis2: ifconfig; will tell you. If you see lo there, it's on. |
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| 01:00.00 | haggz | willlis2: is loopback the only interface you have there, though? |
| 01:00.24 | jbrown | have no idea quintin, i'm sure i worded that incorrectly |
| 01:00.30 | willis2 | i see lo |
| 01:00.35 | willis2 | link encap:Local Loopback |
| 01:00.38 | willis2 | i want it off no? |
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| 01:01.05 | jbrown | is debian sid no good? |
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| 01:01.28 | willis2 | what is syntax to turn it off |
| 01:01.48 | haggz | willis2: maybe Im misunderstanding, but local loopback is just standard, the question is your main interface to your external network, in this case the internet, right? |
| 01:02.09 | dondelelcaro | willis2: no, you don't want it off. |
| 01:02.12 | willis2 | yes |
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| 01:02.45 | haggz | willis2: does ifconfig show anything other than just loopback? loopback isnt your problem, your problem is that you are missing your main interface, usually ethernet... |
| 01:02.46 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: no, the point is that there's really no such thing as a particular version of sid. You could say "unstable as of foodate for arch bar" but that's about it. |
| 01:03.03 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: anyone who gives you a version number for it tends to not know what they're talking about at all |
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| 01:03.43 | willis2 | i dont see anything about my eithernet |
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| 01:05.11 | Azar | dondelecaro at the risk of being booed for mentioning this again (I take it you weren't here last night) did you read about Zero Install? |
| 01:05.22 | jbrown | ok.. i understand.. that was just the way i worded it because i don't know too much about linux/kernels.. i don't think grml says anything like that.. |
| 01:06.48 | Azar | jbrown: Debian has three versions so most of folks could pick what they can handle: Stable aka Sarge, Testing aka Etch and Unstable aka Sid |
| 01:06.59 | willis2 | haggz i'm missing in the iconfig the eht0 part |
| 01:07.06 | willis2 | i have the whole lo but no eht 0 |
| 01:07.13 | jbrown | well.. i just used tzselect instead of tzconfig to adjust the time zone and its giving the correct date/time now.. whereas it never did that w/tzconfig.. i'm gonna cross my fingers and reboot.. thx for your help guys.. |
| 01:07.22 | Azar | jbrown: people who are relatively new and like system stability and don't have time to test this and that... prefer Stable |
| 01:08.20 | jbrown | well... i tried kanotix and it was unstable.. this grml has been rock solid and very easy to configure and deal with |
| 01:08.39 | jbrown | i don't know if i am ready for the real debian yet.. ;) |
| 01:09.12 | jbrown | although grml says that they are a distro for sysadmins and texttools.. |
| 01:09.18 | haggz | willis2: on my etch home desktop my primary interface is configured in /etc/network/interfaces with allow-hotplug eth1 and iface eth1 inet dhcp -- which is what I need for my setup to be autoconfigured properly via the init scripts. Is your network card communicating properly with the kernel? |
| 01:09.44 | zinx | o_O |
| 01:09.50 | zinx | was nvu removed from the debian repositories? |
| 01:10.19 | willis2 | i dont think so |
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| 01:10.38 | ian_ | i was wondering about nvu as well |
| 01:10.45 | zinx | was it renamed, then? apt-get search nvu isn't turning up results on amd64 or i386 here (sid) |
| 01:11.12 | zinx | i see it in some mirrors, weird :x |
| 01:11.42 | zinx | it was removed :x |
| 01:12.42 | willis2 | haggz: ifup eth0 brings me "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device socket: Address family not supported |
| 01:12.46 | haggz | willis2: If your network interface card driver/config hasn't been autodetected and activated by the kernel, you need to debug that first. I'm afraid I'm not that strong on kernel modules. |
| 01:13.34 | ian_ | i've got all the testing repos and no nvu |
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| 01:16.09 | uroboros | Hello. |
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| 01:16.40 | uroboros | I would like to ask where to get the *real* minimal Debian/etch packages set. |
| 01:17.22 | uroboros | I need to install minimal system that will only have apt-get to install more packages. I mean *real* bare system. |
| 01:17.29 | uroboros | No MTA etc. |
| 01:17.56 | uroboros | (I need this for preinstalled UML machines) |
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| 01:18.32 | haggz | willis2: to get your network hardware working, the full debug procedure involves checking BIOS to make sure that is correct, then using lsmod and modprobe to check kernel module status and load in a driver for your card. Someone a lot more expert than me would have to help you with the details for your hardware. |
| 01:19.14 | willis2 | The unssomeone mre expert than me would have to do it |
| 01:19.48 | willis2 | haggz the unstable version is not on the debian site to download.. do you know were to get it to burn an iso |
| 01:19.49 | uroboros | Iuse debootstrap to install the system. |
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| 01:23.34 | haggz | willis2: unstable as in sid? sid is not recommended for general use for good reason. you have to dist-upgrade to it, cant download it from official sources, although there are unofficial sid snapshots or sid-based distros |
| 01:23.48 | willis2 | what is etch than? |
| 01:24.16 | willis2 | i thought unstable was etch |
| 01:24.21 | haggz | willis2: etch is testing, about to be released, sid is unstable and will never be released but packages get moved |
| 01:24.49 | willis2 | oh thats prolly why my computers not working.. i changed all lines of stable to unstable sources.list |
| 01:24.53 | willis2 | do i need to change them to testing? |
| 01:24.59 | willis2 | etch is what i want |
| 01:25.16 | haggz | willis2: aha - you installed etch, then modified sources to unstable, but didnt dist upgrade? |
| 01:25.37 | haggz | willis2: that is a recipe for brokenness |
| 01:25.45 | willis2 | no i installed sarge than modeified sources to unstable than dist-upgrade to sid |
| 01:25.57 | willis2 | hahaha |
| 01:26.05 | haggz | willis2: oh, well, that is theoretically ok but you want etch if you want your computer to not be frequently buggy |
| 01:26.30 | willis2 | how do i modify sources to get etch |
| 01:26.46 | haggz | willis2: if i were you id backup any personal data, then reinstall from a current etch netinstall disc |
| 01:27.17 | willis2 | but if i want to do it by modifying sources.. do i just change all stable to testing? |
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| 01:28.26 | haggz | willis2: yes target everything at testing then dist upgrade, etch also has security updates which sid doesnt, but if you already have sid on your system, is sid > etch supported via dist-upgrade?? |
| 01:28.31 | Quintin | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Bank_Has_Spoken!.aspx |
| 01:29.06 | willis2 | i've been reinstalling for 2 days strait i dont have any data anymore.. i guess my computer went berrett crazy |
| 01:29.08 | willis2 | haha |
| 01:29.28 | phogg | is there a way to force a viewport size refresh? Cedega crashed and now my viewport is stuck at 320x240 in a 1280x1024 screen. xrandr sometimes works when this happens, but not today. |
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| 01:29.41 | sanmarcos-trabaj | can I do a test install with dpkg to see if all the dependencies. etc are satisified for a .deb file? |
| 01:30.06 | willis2 | you saved me a lot of headake haggz |
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| 01:30.10 | haggz | I don't want to give bad information, is it possible to dist-upgrade sarge > sid > etch and have it come out correctly? imo willis2 a clean reinstall from current etch is likely to be a lot more stable |
| 01:30.16 | Fly-man- | Evening all |
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| 01:30.34 | Fly-man- | Could somebody explain to me where I can find the keyboard settings ? |
| 01:30.47 | Fly-man- | which file do I need to edit to get a normal qwerty keyboard |
| 01:30.48 | haggz | willis2: thanks, but i almost caused you a lot of headaches digging into networking settings when the fundamental issue was different |
| 01:31.06 | willis2 | i cannot remmeber who told me that linux never crashed, but i'm going to punch them |
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| 01:31.48 | haggz | willis2: hah -- the truth is that a FULLY CONFIGURED AND STABILIZED system will almost never crash...but installation and setup can be a real hassle. |
| 01:32.22 | willis2 | does etch have a release date? |
| 01:32.40 | Fly-man- | anyone ? |
| 01:33.03 | Fly-man- | Linux server1.example.com 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Tue Aug 16 12:46:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:33.25 | haggz | willis2: no, when there are very few bugs and the installers have been well tested, it will be released as the developers decide |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:34.13 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
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| 01:34.44 | abrotman | that's nice .. there's a part for console |
| 01:35.31 | Fly-man- | -bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 01:35.43 | Quintin | willis2: My router has been running for about 150 days. |
| 01:35.53 | Quintin | oh wait, it's running FreeBSD 6, sorry. :) |
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| 01:36.22 | Fly-man- | abrotman, any other ideas ? |
| 01:36.39 | abrotman | are you root ? |
| 01:36.42 | Fly-man- | yes |
| 01:36.46 | abrotman | are you on debian ? |
| 01:36.48 | Fly-man- | Yes |
| 01:36.54 | Fly-man- | Debian 3.1 |
| 01:36.59 | Fly-man- | Advanced Edition |
| 01:37.03 | Fly-man- | ISP Config Edition |
| 01:37.03 | abrotman | eh ? |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | you should have that command if it's Debian |
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| 01:37.38 | Fly-man- | It's debian but not like normal Debian |
| 01:37.46 | hmmm | its more advanced! |
| 01:37.47 | abrotman | so it's not debian |
| 01:37.50 | Quintin | wtf |
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| 01:37.57 | Quintin | lolz |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | ask your ISP what they did to screw up your install |
| 01:38.00 | Fly-man- | Abrotman ==> http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
| 01:38.05 | Quintin | Where do we get this advanced edition? |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | so it's not debian |
| 01:38.07 | Fly-man- | abrotman, I am the ISP |
| 01:38.08 | haggz | if the "advanced edition" doesn't have dpkg-reconfigure, I'd hate to see what "Debian Home Basic" is like |
| 01:38.24 | Quintin | haggz: zomglolz |
| 01:38.32 | Fly-man- | abrotman, this is a VMware image that runs ISP Config |
| 01:38.43 | Fly-man- | The ISPConfig Webhosting Appliance is a full featured ready-to-run hosting enviroment for webhosting providers, companies and homeusers. It can be used to run hosting servers connected directly to the internet or as an intranet server providing web-, mail-, FTP-, and database |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | Fly-man-: i have no idea what ISPconfig is .. i know what debian is . and debian has dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 01:39.00 | Quintin | dpkg-reconfigure is not on there? .. |
| 01:39.08 | Fly-man- | Operating system: DEBIAN 3.1 |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | it's not debian |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | debian has dpkg-reconfigure |
| 01:39.25 | hmmm | lol |
| 01:39.27 | abrotman | !find bin/dpkg-reconfigure sarge |
| 01:39.35 | Quintin | Fly-man-: whereis dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 01:39.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dpkg-reconfigure' (1): (/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure) in utils/cdebconf,admin/debconf. |
| 01:39.44 | willis2 | what is console command to reboot |
| 01:39.53 | haggz | hmm if they are modifying and redistributing debian, I hope they are providing full access to the modified source code of their version |
| 01:39.57 | abrotman | willis2: reboot |
| 01:40.02 | hmmm | willis2: ls |
| 01:40.07 | abrotman | hmmm: don't do that |
| 01:40.13 | willis2 | haha |
| 01:40.45 | hmmm | oh that will delete everything |
| 01:40.46 | hmmm | forgot |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | hmmm: SHUT UP |
| 01:40.46 | hmmm | willis2: rm |
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| 01:40.47 | abrotman | hmmm: stop trolling |
| 01:40.47 | abrotman | willis2: ignore everything hmmm is saying |
| 01:41.12 | Fly-man- | Okay, I found it now ... |
| 01:41.23 | Fly-man- | It's in the directory you said |
| 01:41.32 | Fly-man- | but it's a Debian install |
| 01:41.34 | abrotman | that directory should be in your path when you're root |
| 01:41.37 | abrotman | Fly-man-: no.. it's not |
| 01:41.40 | Fly-man- | that has ISP things for it |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | then it's not debian |
| 01:41.51 | Fly-man- | The Appliance is based on minimal DEBIAN 3.1 installation with additional packages from backports.org to provide current MySQL and PHP5 releases |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | !based on debian |
| 01:41.52 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 01:42.22 | Fly-man- | As it says: |
| 01:42.23 | Fly-man- | The Appliance is based on minimal DEBIAN 3.1 installation with additional packages from backports.org to provide current MySQL and PHP5 releases |
| 01:42.30 | Fly-man- | minimal Debian 3.1 |
| 01:42.32 | abrotman | so .. not debian |
| 01:42.37 | rpc | does anyone know if bridging the main interface may cause connectivity issues or other problems? is it related to promisc mode or kernel in use or...? |
| 01:42.53 | abrotman | rpc: it will drop the connection when you set it up |
| 01:43.15 | rpc | abrotman yes i know, that's learning phase |
| 01:43.35 | rpc | abrotman but how about its future? i notice that the box is loosing network each several hours or so |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | rpc: not that i'm aware of |
| 01:44.07 | rpc | abrotman i'm very worried, can't get the bridge to work in a stable way |
| 01:44.23 | rpc | perhaps i'm missing some setup or extra config |
| 01:44.54 | Quintin | willis2: 'reboot'. Go figure, huh |
| 01:45.22 | rpc | i see this in messages: kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out <--and after 20-30 of those the box just dies and i need to reboot to get connectivity on it again, what might be causing this? |
| 01:45.49 | rpc | without bridge it's fine - just gave it 12 hours test and not a single prob |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | rpc: which kernel ? |
| 01:46.31 | rpc | abrotman 2.6.18-3-k7 on X2 |
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| 01:47.39 | rpc | i can't seem to track down the cause of this problem, searched for a while but nothing comes to my mind |
| 01:47.49 | abrotman | rpc: any bugs against bridge-utils or the kernel ? |
| 01:48.16 | rpc | hm that i'm wondering about |
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| 01:48.53 | rpc | oh btw - it doesn't happen right away.. starts happening after 30-40 mins since the bridge is started and after several gigs sent/received |
| 01:49.02 | Cybane | Anyone know a good Macintosh channel? I really need to know how to disable to sound my iBook makes when it boots |
| 01:49.20 | rpc | Cybane definetly somewhere in the bios settings |
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| 01:49.34 | abrotman | Cybane: #macosx |
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| 01:49.53 | Geniack | Anyone here, familiar with grub? |
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| 01:50.10 | apk | Geniack: Just ask, your question. |
| 01:50.45 | Geniack | I want to know how it counts, its on drive hdd... wich would be number 4 as the hd-number but it is the third harddrive... |
| 01:51.05 | apk | Geniack: Grub starts with 0. Linux starts with 1. |
| 01:51.10 | apk | Well, a. |
| 01:51.22 | Geniack | so hdd would be 3? |
| 01:51.32 | apk | hd3, yes. |
| 01:51.39 | Geniack | ok, thanx |
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| 01:53.38 | willis2 | haggz you still around? |
| 01:53.38 | rpc | abrotman: http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2005-November/023539.html |
| 01:53.51 | rpc | abrotman quite similar case |
| 01:53.54 | willis2 | Should portmap be bound to the loopback address? |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:54.09 | haggz | willis2: sort of around |
| 01:54.21 | rpc | btw do i really need portmap to be running? |
| 01:54.34 | rpc | or is it safe to just get rid of it? |
| 01:54.35 | willis2 | should portmap be bound to the loopback address? |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | rpc: guess you have your answer |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | rpc: depends what the machine does |
| 01:54.46 | rpc | abrotman hope so :) at least i'm not alone :) |
| 01:54.59 | rpc | abrotman just two services running |
| 01:55.07 | abrotman | rpc: nfs ? |
| 01:55.10 | rpc | nope |
| 01:55.17 | abrotman | remove portmap! :) |
| 01:55.20 | rpc | nice ) |
| 01:55.27 | dunpeal | I'm getting Grub Error 28: Selected item does not fit into memory.... Any ideas what's wrong or how to fix it? |
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| 01:55.32 | haggz | willis2: yeah portmap is about checking your local computer for what services it provides etc |
| 01:55.47 | dunpeal | I'm using the 2.6.18-3-k7 etch kernel |
| 01:55.59 | rpc | dunpeal wee me too :) |
| 01:56.09 | dunpeal | but the 2.6.18-3-486 one doesn't work either |
| 01:56.21 | rpc | i don't think that you should use 486 one |
| 01:56.32 | willis2 | what kind of system uses k7? |
| 01:56.43 | dunpeal | rpc: ...but I guess you're not having the same problem as me? |
| 01:56.49 | rpc | willis2 recommended for X2 Dual Core for instance |
| 01:57.09 | rpc | dunpeal i use grub too and no, never seen that one yet |
| 01:57.16 | dunpeal | rpc: anything AMD duron and above, isn't it? |
| 01:57.23 | rpc | yes |
| 01:57.42 | rpc | and especially for dual core it's the k7 that one should use, at least that's what i read lately |
| 01:57.48 | dunpeal | rpc: do you have nforce onboard? |
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| 01:57.50 | rpc | even if that's a little diff |
| 01:57.56 | rpc | dunpeal nope |
| 01:57.59 | dunpeal | hmm |
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| 01:58.12 | rpc | could be that in fact |
| 01:58.19 | willis2 | Sid will never be released? |
| 01:58.20 | Cybane | Anyone else have an iBook? |
| 01:58.52 | haggz | willis2: correct, packages will be moved from sid > testing once they are sufficiently bug-free |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | Cybane: ask #macosx |
| 01:59.03 | dunpeal | It's a strange problem though, 'cause it randomly showed up one day... so I reinstalled, and everything was fine... then randomly happened again |
| 01:59.03 | HymnToLife | !sid |
| 01:59.03 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 01:59.05 | rpc | Cybane: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=ibook+disable+beep+on+boot&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
| 01:59.06 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:59.06 | dpkg | methinks ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 01:59.21 | rpc | dunpeal hmm |
| 01:59.34 | willis2 | so me using sid is just a recipie for disaster |
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| 01:59.49 | HymnToLife | willis2, I'm using it right now |
| 01:59.52 | rpc | willis2 why sid if you can have etch? very stable and nice |
| 01:59.56 | dan2 | !and64 |
| 01:59.59 | dan2 | !amd64 |
| 02:00.06 | dunpeal | I can't narrow it down to one thing that could have caused the problem.. |
| 02:00.08 | willis2 | why do you use it hymn |
| 02:00.08 | dan2 | ~amd64 |
| 02:00.19 | apt | i heard amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or at http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/ |
| 02:00.26 | rpc | dunpeal then it's hardware most likely or something related to your bios settings |
| 02:00.28 | HymnToLife | willis2, because there was a package once that I needed and was only in sid |
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| 02:00.43 | HymnToLife | and because I dodn't notice any difference between etch and sid, I kept it |
| 02:00.45 | willis2 | it is stable for you |
| 02:00.55 | rpc | dan2 i quit using debian64... and i'm happy with debian32 on amd64 X2 |
| 02:01.10 | dan2 | rpc: heh, I like debian64 |
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| 02:01.14 | dan2 | works great |
| 02:01.18 | HymnToLife | yes, but I don't do anything spectacular |
| 02:01.26 | rpc | dan2 there is no difference to debian32 in 99% of cases :) |
| 02:01.33 | HymnToLife | just some net and multimedia |
| 02:01.37 | HymnToLife | and python coding :p |
| 02:01.42 | rpc | dan2 and there are apps that are impossible to get to work on debian64, most are 32-bit |
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| 02:01.54 | rpc | dan2 but if it works fine for you - keep it :) i couldn't... |
| 02:02.12 | rpc | HymnToLife python? nice. |
| 02:02.20 | haggz | willis2: i have a sid partition and it is fairly stable and usable, but its not radically different, and also has no security support, etc. I use sid for experimentation, trying things out that arent at all suitable for my production systems |
| 02:02.20 | rpc | i want to learn python, i do want to... |
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| 02:02.37 | rpc | HymnToLife do you know how easy it is to learn python after several years on perl? |
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| 02:02.48 | rpc | HymnToLife any similar experiences on your end? |
| 02:02.49 | HymnToLife | rpc, I have done very little perl |
| 02:02.50 | dunpeal | rpc: can't be... nothing has changed in bios settings |
| 02:02.53 | dan2 | rpc: Python was my first programming language |
| 02:02.57 | HymnToLife | I'm more a C guy |
| 02:03.01 | rpc | he he |
| 02:03.17 | dan2 | rpc: you want the book "Programming Python" |
| 02:03.21 | HymnToLife | but yeah, I know people who learned python as their first language and got it easily |
| 02:03.22 | dan2 | by O'Reilly |
| 02:03.27 | rpc | dan2 yes i want them all |
| 02:03.35 | HymnToLife | yep, or the "Python Cookbook" |
| 02:03.47 | Quintin | For some reason I can't get internet sharing going between two machines... I had working before.. can someone help me troubleshoot? The two machines can see each other, but the 2nd can't connect to the outside network |
| 02:03.56 | rpc | dunpeal what drive is that? and do you have multiboot setup? |
| 02:04.17 | apk | Is there a package in etch that provides a command line front end to Xerces[-J] for XML Schema validation? |
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| 02:04.44 | dan2 | rpc: then you're going to want a copy of "The C++ Programming Language" by Bjarne Stroustrup so you can figure out how to write your own python modules with boost::python |
| 02:05.06 | rpc | dan2 that smells good. |
| 02:05.17 | dan2 | boost::python rocks |
| 02:05.20 | dunpeal | rpc: it's a maxtor 40gb drive, no multiboot |
| 02:05.27 | rpc | i appreciate your advices, folks, thanks alot |
| 02:05.58 | rpc | dunpeal did you try to backup MBR and wipe it after? |
| 02:06.25 | abrotman | Quintin: ipmasq |
| 02:06.29 | haggz | quintin: external router with NAT, or one machine piggybacked on the other? and did you remember to provide offerings to the evil god of networking, who loves to make stuff work and not work unpredictably? |
| 02:06.41 | dunpeal | rpc: nope.... just installed lilo from this livecd... going to see if it works |
| 02:07.21 | dunpeal | rpc: thanks, hopefully a solution will be met soon |
| 02:07.36 | Quintin | haggz: a has wlan0 shared on eth0 .. wlan0 is connected to wifi router .. b is connected with hub to a |
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| 02:07.41 | rpc | well in most cases lilo will do just fine |
| 02:07.43 | Quintin | abrotman: lost me already :p |
| 02:07.48 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 02:07.49 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), apt-get install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 02:08.29 | Quintin | haggz: a is 192.168.0.1 b is 192.168.0.2 .. they can talk to each other (I'm logged in on b with ssh now) but b can't get to anything past b, that is, it can't see even 192.168.1.1 , the internet gateway |
| 02:08.57 | Quintin | abrotman: well, I'm using firestarter. :P which I think is frontend to iptables |
| 02:09.11 | abrotman | too complicated! |
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| 02:10.44 | haggz | quintin: sorry, im not sure how Id setup that connection, I confess that I hate dealing with NAT etc and I like to use tunneling so each machine can have an independent set of ipchains rules |
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| 02:11.17 | rpc | abrotman do you happen to know if i can apply ethtool changes while the interface is up? |
| 02:11.42 | abrotman | rpc: i think so |
| 02:11.48 | abrotman | rpc: man page should say |
| 02:12.06 | rpc | right |
| 02:12.17 | Quintin | I did see a 'hit' in the firewall thing.. from 192.168.0.2 so I'm wondering if it's misconfigured.. but I set it to share the connection and it is set to be 'permissive'.. so.. |
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| 02:14.00 | haggz | quintin: turn off any services you need the firewall to protect, then bring down the firewall and see if your other machine can get a ping to the gateway? |
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| 02:14.46 | Quintin | the firewall is what was doing the sharing htough I thought.. uhm.. letmmie see |
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| 02:15.40 | Quintin | haggz: nope... "connect: network is unreachable" |
| 02:15.47 | haggz | quintin: yeah youd need to set up the connection in your routing tables |
| 02:16.50 | Quintin | haggz: before it 'just worked' .. :-S |
| 02:17.00 | Quintin | haggz: want to see route output? |
| 02:18.42 | haggz | quintin: not really, i couldnt give you the correct code, i network using 2 physical boxes, one of which hosts virtual machines, and i have all my connections set to bridged mode so i basically am makng my ISP take over from my local router. I know this isn't compatible with your setup and also totally alters your security environment so I don't recommend it./ |
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| 02:20.37 | haggz | quintin: if it "just worked" before you can try powercycling all your networking components in the order of dependency from the external network and see if that brings anything back... |
| 02:21.11 | Quintin | The system is going down for reboot NOW! |
| 02:21.14 | Quintin | hm |
| 02:22.02 | HymnToLife | In Soviet Russia, the system reboots YOU ! |
| 02:22.23 | Quintin | .. |
| 02:22.30 | jennam | oh no. |
| 02:22.30 | jennam | lol |
| 02:22.30 | HymnToLife | sorry |
| 02:22.34 | HymnToLife | I need some sleep |
| 02:23.28 | abrotman | so go to sleep |
| 02:23.57 | haggz | quintin: another general networking debug I use is to try to disable ipv6 routing in everything since some things cant handle it |
| 02:24.03 | HymnToLife | that's a brilliant idea |
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| 02:31.22 | jbrown | my system clock REFUSES to change from CET to EST... i cannot figure out what is changing it.. |
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| 02:40.10 | Cybane | What did you chose when you setup Debian? |
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| 02:42.51 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: your system clock is set to EST. You have a shell startup script which is setting TZ. Search them to see what is setting it. |
| 02:44.07 | jbrown | dondelelcaro: any idea where those scripts are located? |
| 02:44.08 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: find /etc /home -type f -print0 |xargs -0 grep -i 'TZ='|less; should clue you in. |
| 02:44.08 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: in Debian I know, but you're not using Debian. |
| 02:44.08 | jbrown | yes.. ;) |
| 02:48.30 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, in Debian you wouldn't even be having this problem, because we don't do stupid things like setting the TZ in system wide configuration files) |
| 02:48.31 | Quintin | haggz: I fixed it! |
| 02:48.31 | jbrown | /etc/default/locale:TZ=Europe/Vienna ... is this it?? |
| 02:48.31 | haggz | quintin: congrats! what was the issue? |
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| 02:48.31 | jbrown | i bet thats it! |
| 02:48.32 | Quintin | haggz: hell if I know. I did 1) reboot 2) add 'network 192.168.0.0' to /etc/network/interfaces . don't know which fixed it :) |
| 02:48.32 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: yes |
| 02:48.33 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: delete that line. |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | Quintin: good deduction skills! |
| 02:48.43 | haggz | quintin: cool, always great when the magic reboot+'lets try this' actually does what you want. |
| 02:48.56 | jbrown | dondelelcaro: should i not change it to US/Eastern ?? |
| 02:49.10 | Quintin | haggz: yea. dunno what the deal was.. I was just doing a network restart when I changed things. |
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| 02:49.32 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: no, you don't need to change it at all. |
| 02:50.04 | dondelelcaro | jbrown: the only time you set TZ is when you as a user want to set your TZ to something different from the system wide default. You do that in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile or similar. |
| 02:51.04 | jbrown | ok i see... so when i use tzconfig it sets the system wide default to US/eastern or whatever you chose?? |
| 02:51.27 | Quintin | abrotman: ty |
| 02:51.29 | Quintin | !win Quintin |
| 02:51.29 | dpkg | Congratulations, Quintin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 02:51.40 | Cybane | hey dondel how different networks are you on in the #Debian channel? |
| 02:53.44 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: why can't I use dpkg? |
| 02:53.47 | dan2 | !test |
| 02:53.58 | ProwL | :P |
| 02:54.19 | abrotman | dan2: the bot has an ignore list |
| 02:54.26 | dondelelcaro | Cybane: just two |
| 02:56.08 | Quintin | I quote exactly, "Hello, I have been using Ubuntu for almost a year know and I still can't get program to install when I download them of the internet. Can some please help me on this. I am not to good with Terminal mode. Please Help." |
| 02:56.08 | Quintin | from ubuntuforums.org. laff |
| 02:56.31 | fsmunoz | Well, at least there is persistence in him... |
| 02:57.07 | dondelelcaro | dan2: because you were abusing it? |
| 02:57.08 | jbrown | dondelelcaro: thx for your expertise.. i am trying to learn what i can.. |
| 02:57.52 | fsmunoz | Most people are like that, although generally for less than a year. My brother-in-law does more or less the same, downloads Linux stuff from download.com or Tucows expecting ckick next next. Most time that stuff is available trough synaptic or other programs exist that do the same... |
| 02:57.56 | fsmunoz | Old habits I guess. |
| 02:59.41 | fsmunoz | CNR new approach might make sense for those people though. |
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| 03:00.31 | haggz | the fact that point-and-click to install spyware is all windows based has now saved my GF's GNU/Linux computer from 5000 piecs of malware and counting |
| 03:00.32 | Quintin | I havne't tried the CNR thing. it sounds possibly compelling though. |
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| 03:00.49 | Quintin | haggz: how do you have such an accurate number? |
| 03:00.59 | Quintin | anyone who says 'GNU/Linux'... can't have a gf .. :p |
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| 03:01.19 | haggz | quintin: i wrote a cron script to delete .exe files from her download folder and log them |
| 03:01.23 | dondelelcaro | Quintin: if RMS can have a girlfriend, so can we. |
| 03:01.31 | fsmunoz | Quintin, neither have I... I did install the free Xara drwaing program that uses autopackage, and it's pretty simple also. |
| 03:01.39 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: ugh |
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| 03:02.30 | Quintin | haggz: lol. what exactly were the exe files? :P |
| 03:03.50 | gravity | RMS's girlfriend is hot |
| 03:04.10 | nvz | is that so... |
| 03:04.49 | haggz | quintin: freewallpapers.exe.spyware, adultlinks.exe.virus, that sort of thing...of course once the free software takeover is complete, all that stuff will get ported, there is no defense against users who are determined to install malware. |
| 03:06.05 | haggz | gravity: is RMS current gf the same one he was hooked up with at the end of Free as in Freedom book? sorry for OT... |
| 03:06.05 | nvz | malware is less effective and requires a higer level of stupidity to effect a posix OS especially one with a package system like debian where most everything you could want/need is prepackaged |
| 03:06.23 | Quintin | haggz: your gf is downloading pr0n? |
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| 03:06.52 | jpoon | hey guys...anyone here get xgl to work with Etch? |
| 03:06.56 | gravity | haggz: No idea, I haven't read that |
| 03:07.19 | fsmunoz | jpoon, why xgl and not AIGLX? |
| 03:07.37 | fsmunoz | jpoon, although you would probably be better of asking in #ubuntu... |
| 03:07.42 | jpoon | is there a difference? |
| 03:08.01 | fsmunoz | jpoon, well, XGL generally refers to the X server that uses OpenGL |
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| 03:08.26 | fsmunoz | jpoon, and AIGLX to the Composite extensions in newer Xorg servers that alloow so called indirect rendering |
| 03:08.42 | fsmunoz | AFAIK AIGLX is prefered nowadays. |
| 03:08.50 | jpoon | gotcha... |
| 03:08.54 | fsmunoz | jpoon, google "Etch Beryl" |
| 03:08.55 | jpoon | are there packages? |
| 03:09.02 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: I hadn't been in this channel for close a year and a half and I come back to it ignoring me |
| 03:09.06 | gravity | jpoon: It's part of etch |
| 03:09.21 | haggz | quintin: and uploading too :) but we're way off-topic. nvz: yes I agree, but if you look at the userbase of ubuntu, third party add-on repos for multimedia support via prescripted installation is very popular, it would be unfortunately easy for someone to set up a 'enhance your desktop' site and put in spy scripts. I stick with just debian official repos because im paranoid. |
| 03:09.56 | fsmunoz | jpoon, make that search "Ubuntu Beryl", first link. |
| 03:10.38 | Quintin | haggz: 1) make popup program for linux 2) deb http://kewlfreestuf.com/edgy main 3) ??? 4) Profit!!! |
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| 03:10.42 | gravity | jpoon: Install the compiz package |
| 03:11.11 | jpoon | it was installed.... |
| 03:11.14 | jpoon | so I just need to start it? |
| 03:11.19 | gravity | Yes |
| 03:11.23 | gravity | In theory |
| 03:11.34 | jpoon | well |
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| 03:11.40 | jpoon | I think I need to add some extensions.. |
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| 03:12.11 | gravity | jpoon: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 03:12.16 | dondelelcaro | dan2: I've got the logs, and already looked at them. Care to revise your story? http://channels.debian.net/paste/5415 |
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| 03:12.54 | rolandlakr | Hello everyone. |
| 03:12.55 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: but it's so true (what the logs say) |
| 03:14.46 | dondelelcaro | if you believe it is, then that's further reason for you to remain exluded. In any event, using the bot is a priviledge; you can get all of its factoids or access them through other means if you want. |
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| 03:16.12 | fsmunoz | Latin is one of civlizations' refinements and achievements. Will be written and read from centuries to come. |
| 03:16.29 | fsmunoz | imho, and offtopic, etc. |
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| 03:21.16 | abrotman | is there a #electronics or some such thing ? |
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| 03:23.45 | uptownben | Hi all. Question: i just instajjed debian and i am trying to compile a module but I get a Makefile error about a missing .config file in the build directory somewhere in my /lib/modules/ something folder. How I create thenecessay .config file or whats wrong? |
| 03:25.43 | Supaplex | uptownben: which module are you building? |
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| 03:28.01 | abrotman | they didn't have shells! |
| 03:28.01 | Quintin | All forum signatures are incredibly stupid. |
| 03:28.01 | uptownben | Rtl8180 from sourceforge |
| 03:28.05 | Quintin | abrotman: Yes, there is. |
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| 03:28.21 | abrotman | Quintin: ? |
| 03:28.29 | Quintin | abrotman: re #electronics |
| 03:28.53 | Supaplex | uptownben: I'd install the kernel/linux-headers. What release of debian are you tracking? |
| 03:29.10 | abrotman | Quintin: weird .. it wouldn't show in /list |
| 03:30.28 | uptownben | I just install kernel-source-2.6.8-2 and retried, same error. |
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| 03:31.32 | Supaplex | uptownben: copy the config from /boot to the source directory/.config, see if that helps. |
| 03:31.36 | Quintin | abrotman: I think that's it. /j #hardware .. they have a thing in their topic about the channel for that.. I think that's the name.. |
| 03:31.39 | Tasso | Supaplex |
| 03:31.50 | abrotman | Quintin: i'm in there now |
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| 03:33.39 | uptownben | I ran out of disk space during the debian install and some stuff didnt get finished correctly, if that help you in helping me dtermine whats wrong |
| 03:34.12 | Supaplex | oh how fun. |
| 03:34.37 | Quintin | abrotman: oic |
| 04:57.49 | abrotman | you do? |
| 04:57.49 | willis2 | haggz you still around? |
| 04:57.50 | willis2 | anyone know the repository to get nvidia-glx |
| 04:57.50 | jelly-home | Supaplex: I'm asleep, my machine has brought me online automatically. Well, I _should_ be asleep. |
| 04:58.22 | Supaplex | :) |
| 04:58.22 | Supaplex | jelly-home: schweet dreams and all. =) |
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| 04:58.22 | Quintin | haha. the kid from before has now posted in another thread with 'Sorry to jump on this post but if I download an application from the internet to my desktop how do I install it? :-(???' |
| 04:58.22 | hark | willis2: you need non-free |
| 04:58.22 | willis2 | i need the ones that will be able to use beryl |
| 04:58.23 | uptownben | Should I copy that .config file the build subdirectory in my systems modules dir? |
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| 04:58.23 | bobesponja | hey all |
| 04:58.23 | hark | willis2: that's in experimental afaik |
| 04:58.23 | bobesponja | is there a tool other than date to change the date from bash? |
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| 04:58.24 | rahul | bobesponja: ntp-client |
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| 04:58.25 | willis2 | afaik? |
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| 04:58.28 | bobesponja | rahul: thanx |
| 04:58.29 | abrotman | foolio: /nick markybob ? |
| 04:58.30 | uptownben | The exact error is :Makefile:8 error missing /lib/modules/2.6.8-2/build/.config no such file... |
| 04:58.30 | foolio | abrotman, yes. on someone else's computer right now and this was the default :) didnt realize |
| 04:58.33 | markybob | abrotman, how on earth did you know? |
| 04:58.33 | abrotman | markybob: i don't have parts/joins ignored :) |
| 04:58.33 | abrotman | --> foolio (n=markybob@67.167.127.14) has joined #debian |
| 04:58.33 | markybob | abrotman, ah, right :) |
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| 04:58.35 | uptownben | So you think i should copy the .config file from bootto my /lib/modules/...../build dir? |
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| 04:58.36 | uptownben | *from /boot |
| 04:58.37 | uptownben | or should i ln it? |
| 04:58.38 | fsmunoz | uptownben, generally build/ is a symlink (and also generally to /usr/src/linux) |
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| 04:58.38 | zignig | bleh! |
| 04:59.53 | markybob | abrotman, how good are you with c? interested in a small/quick contract job? |
| 04:59.55 | pipeline | hahah, small quick contract jobs from IRC. |
| 04:59.55 | pipeline | Lovely how they're usually pornographers and/or spam mailers who odn't do well on paying out :D |
| 04:59.55 | abrotman | markybob: my C is pretty rusty |
| 04:59.56 | zignig | pipeline: trust the internet , it loves you ..... |
| 04:59.56 | abrotman | markybob: why don't you want it?! |
| 04:59.57 | pipeline | zignig: been there, worked for slave wages, burn the t-shirt. |
| 04:59.57 | markybob | abrotman, i'm the one doing the contracting :) have too much work in the pipeline |
| 04:59.57 | abrotman | hah |
| 04:59.58 | abrotman | markybob: you put work in pipeline ? |
| 04:59.58 | abrotman | pipeline: how do you feel about htat ? |
| 04:59.59 | zignig | pipeline: oh yes , i like _cash_ jobs to but the fiat money in the modern world is so fickle.... |
| 05:00.39 | concept10 | I will take the job in python |
| 05:00.39 | markybob | abrotman, sometimes choice is limited |
| 05:00.39 | pipeline | abrotman: Like I said, working for pornographers and spammers is a rough gig. They're always enhanced, always taking photos, and always want shit for free :P |
| 05:00.39 | markybob | concept10, you're going to modify a php extension written in c into python? i'd like to see that :) |
| 05:00.39 | pipeline | I would also like to see that |
| 05:00.40 | pipeline | I would use it to scare small children |
| 05:00.40 | zignig | pipeline: hehe |
| 05:00.40 | abrotman | do it! |
| 05:00.40 | concept10 | oh php? no thanks |
| 05:00.40 | zignig | pipeline: the cluster bomb principle . I like it. |
| 05:00.41 | concept10 | gosh, songbird eats resources like you wouldn't believe |
| 05:00.41 | willis2 | what is syntax to configure xfree86? |
| 05:00.41 | concept10 | maybe i need to download the latest release |
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| 05:00.41 | rahul | !drxx |
| 05:00.41 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
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| 05:01.19 | concept10 | Anyone have knowledge how Firefox handles mime types? What in the heck tells this app how to handle real media ? (.rm) |
| 05:01.19 | concept10 | You cant add types in the preferences |
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| 05:01.24 | eshaase | what is the reasoning behind postgresql being installed as the sql software for the 'SQL server' task as opposted to mysql? |
| 05:01.24 | eshaase | i thought mysql was the open-source standard when it comes to sql databases |
| 05:01.25 | gravity | eshaase: It depends on who you talk to. |
| 05:01.25 | gravity | I don't know much about databases, but postgres is very nice |
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| 05:01.27 | rpc | eshaase i heard things about mysql like it can't really perform well when there is a heavy load of queries going for a long time, it starts eating mem like crazy, etc. while postgre seems to handle that much better |
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| 05:01.28 | rpc | not sure how true is that anyway, never had probs with mysql yet or at least nothing that would make me switch to postgre, but still i'm curious |
| 05:01.30 | eshaase | interesting, well the debian people probably know more about this so i trust their decision =) |
| 05:01.31 | rpc | you could also ask in #mysql |
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| 05:54.15 | eshaase | ahah, and get attacked? |
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| 05:54.21 | abrotman | eshaase: the crappy license that mysql has might be part of it |
| 05:54.22 | eshaase | abrotman: its not GPLed? |
| 05:54.23 | abrotman | mysql is dual licensed |
| 05:54.23 | abrotman | pgsql is bsdl |
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| 05:54.32 | mazzanet | hokay |
| 05:54.33 | mazzanet | i have an 80gb hdd |
| 05:54.33 | mazzanet | and a 160gb hdd |
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| 06:17.40 | mazzanet | the 80 is currently 'live' in my box |
| 06:17.40 | mazzanet | and i want to duplicate it onto the 160 |
| 06:17.40 | rpc | and 160 is, uh, not? |
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| 06:17.42 | rpc | you could just clone the drive then |
| 06:17.42 | luddite | hi peeps - if i use http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ will it be better than the horrid dos installer thats on the 3.1r4 release? |
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| 06:17.42 | rpc | luddite there is no dos on debian install... |
| 06:17.43 | rpc | and that text GUI is pretty good imho |
| 06:17.43 | luddite | well - maybe not dos - but dos looking |
| 06:17.43 | eshaase | i think what he means is the non-X installer =) |
| 06:17.43 | rpc | eshaase i know :) |
| 06:17.44 | eshaase | i like the console installer =) |
| 06:17.44 | luddite | text GUI is sad |
| 06:17.44 | eshaase | its simple and to the point |
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| 06:17.44 | mazzanet | well actually i want more of a raid1 array |
| 06:17.44 | rpc | luddite that's only your point of view :) |
| 06:17.45 | mazzanet | where the 80 is mirrored onto the 160 |
| 06:17.45 | rpc | mazzanet mhm raid1 is a bit tricky to run |
| 06:17.45 | mazzanet | with one of the partitions on the 80 extended to fill the 160 |
| 06:17.45 | eshaase | why use a gui when a text interface easily gets the job done? |
| 06:17.46 | luddite | ok - im outvoted. no-one in the world likes a nice looking and mouse enabled GUI - you are right |
| 06:17.46 | eshaase | no point in introducing unnecessary complexity |
| 06:17.46 | mazzanet | luddite: nope! |
| 06:17.47 | rpc | more than that... txt gui doesn't use lots of your resources just to show you some info and is more compatible on various systems too |
| 06:17.47 | mazzanet | i've never even hooked a mouse up |
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| 06:17.47 | rpc | luddite that might be because most debian people have better things to do than mastering mouse movements when installing stuff :) |
| 06:17.48 | zignig | gravity: you suck! |
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| 06:17.49 | luddite | anyway - i just downloaded CD1 3.1r4 and it couldnt connect to the next via my usb cable modem. (also tried net install) so the system is now just command line. |
| 06:17.49 | rpc | console is your friend unless you want another windows-like candy which you can hardly manage when i cut your mouse wire :) |
| 06:17.50 | luddite | next = net |
| 06:17.51 | eshaase | haha |
| 06:17.51 | rpc | and now i can't answer you :) |
| 06:17.51 | luddite | true |
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| 06:17.52 | rpc | mazzanet he he |
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| 06:17.54 | mazzanet | ok lets get tricky |
| 06:17.54 | CryptoMole | hi all |
| 06:17.54 | abrotman | tricky .. tricky tricky tricky |
| 06:17.54 | luddite | who gives one anyway - its 2007 not 1980. mice are default. graphics and candy are expected. the movies have sound. |
| 06:17.54 | rpc | luddite most likely your usb modem wasn't detected on boot... most usb modems will act like that |
| 06:17.55 | luddite | but id still like to try debian |
| 06:17.55 | rpc | luddite you don't know much about linux, do you? |
| 06:17.55 | luddite | how can i get some mode of detection? |
| 06:17.56 | luddite | yes i do |
| 06:17.56 | gravity | Damn it, zignig left |
| 06:17.56 | rpc | luddite can you setup a box without mouse? |
| 06:17.56 | CryptoMole | id like to know some stuff about editing xrg.conf please |
| 06:17.56 | luddite | im no guru, but im on my 9th ditrso |
| 06:17.56 | abrotman | gravity: i'm still here! |
| 06:17.56 | CryptoMole | mine needs help |
| 06:17.57 | Guerin | CryptoMole: xrg.conf doesn't correspond to anything I know |
| 06:17.57 | luddite | rpc - yes. and i have 3 servers running like that. but i want this with my desktop box |
| 06:17.57 | CryptoMole | oh sorry , xorg.conf |
| 06:17.57 | rpc | luddite if you had to remotely fix a broken debian box, would you try to attach your X session in there just to fix firewall or whatever? |
| 06:17.57 | Guerin | CryptoMole: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:17.58 | luddite | rpc: of course no id ssh in but thats not the point |
| 06:18.50 | rpc | luddite so just say it straight that you want to play instead of telling us how useless console is and how important mice became lately as both arguments are wrong :) |
| 06:18.51 | luddite | i wish to try debian with a move to compiz is all |
| 06:18.51 | xixor | Hi everyone, quick question: I am attempting to figure out the motherboard type in my home linux server (PIII 933mhz CPU, Asus motherboard) and hopefully figure out what type of memory it takes. I only have remote access to it though. I have tried lspci -v and /proc/cpuinfo, but can't quite seem to get the right info |
| 06:18.51 | abrotman | PC100 or PC133 .. if you know the exact motherboard model .. you can know for sure |
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| 06:18.52 | luddite | rpc: that is your antiquated view ;-) do we agree to disagree? |
| 06:18.52 | abrotman | though .. it's almost impossible to find PC100 anymore .. so PC133 it is! |
| 06:18.53 | rpc | luddite you will make it easier and faster with ubuntu imho, that's a system designed for desktop stuff with all those candies and such enabled by default |
| 06:18.53 | abrotman | xixor: or try #hardware |
| 06:18.53 | abrotman | !tell xixor about whats my hardware |
| 06:18.53 | luddite | i tried ubuntu - i hated it. |
| 06:18.54 | hark | might be PC133 |
| 06:18.54 | xixor | ah, ok, didn't know about that channel |
| 06:18.54 | xixor | thanks |
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| 06:18.55 | rpc | luddite hated? |
| 06:18.55 | hark | xixor: or lshw, dmidecode. |
| 06:18.55 | mrparanoid | just buy PC133, it will clock down to PC100 if the other ram is PC100 ? |
| 06:18.55 | rpc | luddite that's pure debian on steroids, nothing else |
| 06:18.55 | Guerin | mrparanoid: it *might* |
| 06:18.55 | hark | xixor: hwinfo even |
| 06:18.56 | Guerin | mrparanoid: it depends on your mobo |
| 06:18.56 | abrotman | almost all of it does |
| 06:18.56 | mindframe | what x11 packages need to be installed to get and x11 system up and running |
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| 06:18.57 | abrotman | Guerin: depends on the RAM |
| 06:18.57 | hark | mindframe: on sarge or etch? |
| 06:18.57 | mindframe | etc |
| 06:18.57 | Guerin | abrotman: too |
| 06:18.57 | mrparanoid | ive never had a problem personally |
| 06:18.57 | mindframe | etch |
| 06:18.58 | hark | mindframe: install xorg |
| 06:18.58 | luddite | rpc: i tried Musix which was debian based like ubuntu and it was infinately better for my purpose. (on a side note I have installed ubuntu for my sister, gf and mother as it is good for their needs) |
| 06:18.58 | xixor | abrotman: thanks |
| 06:18.58 | luddite | rpc: hated maybe a too strong a word |
| 06:18.59 | eshaase | luddite: just out of curiosity, what didn't you like about ubuntu? |
| 06:18.59 | luddite | rpc: dl'ed and installed cd - but couldnt get USB cable modem accesed. so no apt-get update. |
| 06:19.00 | rpc | luddite didn't mouse help this time? :) |
| 06:19.00 | mazzanet | ok tricky time |
| 06:19.00 | mazzanet | duplicating an existing 80gb drive into the first half of a 160gb hdd |
| 06:19.01 | mazzanet | making the other half a seperate partition |
| 06:19.01 | rpc | very nice, mazzanet |
| 06:19.01 | mazzanet | and raid1-ing the first half and the 80 |
| 06:19.02 | luddite | eshaase. im not a fan of gnome(more kde and icewm) and i disliked the default brown-which is easy to change) but it was terrible with sound and kept crashing on trivial things like usb access. also drives were not defaul mounted |
| 06:19.02 | eshaase | luddite: you looked into kubuntu? |
| 06:19.03 | rpc | and my bridge died again... damn it, any clues guys? it runs for 2 hours and then eth0 dies with some kernel info |
| 06:19.55 | luddite | rpc: mouse = ofcourse not - its not initiated in console mode as you well know. |
| 06:19.55 | rpc | what the hell can be causing it? kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 06:19.55 | luddite | eshase: yes: and suse/redhat/slackware/m-dist/jacklab(that was great) |
| 06:19.55 | abrotman | rpc: kink in the cable |
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| 06:19.56 | rpc | abrotman it was done yesterday, didn't help |
| 06:19.56 | mazzanet | rpc: any idea on how to make it work? |
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| 06:19.57 | phogg | is there any way to trigger what CTRL+ALT + and - do in X from the command line? |
| 06:19.57 | rpc | abrotman i tried to play with ethtool and it was looking good for over 2 hours, now it broke again out of the blue :/ |
| 06:19.57 | abrotman | xrandr ? |
| 06:19.57 | phogg | abrotman: that changes resolution, + and - just switch viewport size |
| 06:19.58 | abrotman | rpc: get a new NIC! |
| 06:19.58 | rpc | abrotman it's a fresh 1gbit one |
| 06:19.59 | luddite | rpc: get a mouse also |
| 06:19.59 | luddite | ;-) |
| 06:20.00 | rpc | abrotman and without bridge it's all fine |
| 06:20.00 | eshaase | phogg: xbindkeys package |
| 06:20.00 | abrotman | rpc: get a crappy 100Mb one :) |
| 06:20.01 | luddite | $5 |
| 06:20.01 | rpc | on 1gbit link? :) |
| 06:20.01 | eshaase | haha |
| 06:20.05 | luddite | yes - you will never notice via the console |
| 06:20.05 | rpc | luddite what do you know :) |
| 06:20.06 | rpc | luddite just give me ONE good reason to fire up X on the box and i will attach the mouse, just for you |
| 06:20.07 | eshaase | ahahah |
| 06:20.07 | luddite | rpc: i know that you secretly like me and wish to solve my usb modem issue |
| 06:20.07 | luddite | one good reason : Graphics |
| 06:20.08 | luddite | pictures |
| 06:20.08 | luddite | videos |
| 06:20.08 | rpc | luddite what do i need graphics for? and pron? we are all different mate |
| 06:20.08 | eshaase | unecessary complexity for a server |
| 06:20.09 | rpc | luddite and we have different needs it seems :) |
| 06:20.09 | luddite | rpc: who mentioned pron? |
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| 06:20.10 | rpc | i have no MB to waste on nice gui as i need it for something else that you can't imagine probably |
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| 06:20.10 | luddite | thats fair enough |
| 06:20.11 | rpc | and besides graphics what else do i gain from X and mouse? |
| 06:20.11 | Guerin | rpc: i recommend against trying to guess at peoples' imaginations |
| 06:20.12 | Guerin | rpc: that way lies madness |
| 06:20.14 | luddite | irpc: good question - i will ask Jim Gettys |
| 06:20.14 | rpc | Guerin i went a bit too far with a reason, i don't like being called "antique" just because i don't need mouse to work efficently |
| 06:20.34 | markybob | rpc this is #debian...odds are you're with the majority who dont install x on servers :) that's just silly |
| 06:20.35 | rpc | markybob i wish i never got into this silly discussion with luddite who definetly has no point |
| 06:20.36 | rpc | enough, back to the damned bridging prob :/ |
| 06:20.36 | eshaase | it all comes down to how you want to use your system |
| 06:20.37 | rpc | eshaase absolutely, and that's why no one should call others "antiques" just because they have different needs, mouse means absolutely nothing on linux, at least for non-noob |
| 06:20.37 | Guerin | rpc: you should steal luddite's nick |
| 06:20.38 | luddite | rpc: i said your view was antiquated - not you. you are very argumentative and i care not for irc wars |
| 06:20.38 | Guerin | you're the one who deserves it :) |
| 06:20.38 | luddite | Guerin: LOL |
| 06:20.38 | rpc | luddite and i asked you what is the mouse and X good for? |
| 06:20.39 | luddite | rpc: and i said ask Jim Gettys |
| 06:20.39 | rpc | luddite seriously wondering in what way would it help me with anything? |
| 06:20.39 | luddite | he invented X after all |
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| 06:20.40 | rpc | luddite i don't really care mate, i just don't need it |
| 06:20.41 | CryptoMole | hey all dpkg appears to be tied up |
| 06:20.41 | rpc | i got winblows laptop to play with mouse and i expect different functionality from a linux system |
| 06:20.41 | luddite | i am just a user - not a teacher. as john lennon said "what ever gets you through the night, its alright" |
| 06:20.41 | Guerin | now s/mouse/10-inch strap-on/ and s/X/nipple clams/ and we have an interesting conversation |
| 06:20.41 | CryptoMole | my xorg file needs atten. though |
| 06:20.41 | luddite | hahaha |
| 06:20.42 | rpc | luddite and you want an all in one that you can hardly use after all |
| 06:20.42 | luddite | who said i want that? |
| 06:20.43 | rpc | you said you wanted a desktop |
| 06:20.43 | luddite | i said i wanted my desktop to have debian on it with Compiz |
| 06:20.43 | luddite | thats far from all in one |
| 06:20.44 | Guerin | !aolify luddite and rpc |
| 06:20.44 | hark | what a stupid thing to argue about.. emacs is better! |
| 06:20.44 | rpc | so i told you that ubuntu is a desktop debian and you are better with that |
| 06:20.45 | Guerin | hark: much better! |
| 06:20.45 | luddite | rpc:anyway - im not playing this silly ego game of yours |
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| 06:20.45 | rpc | luddite all the game is about your ego, not mine |
| 06:20.46 | luddite | rpc: i dont like ubuntu |
| 06:20.46 | hark | CryptoMole: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not help? |
| 06:20.46 | rpc | luddite that's debian, you don't like debian? |
| 06:20.47 | luddite | i would however like to get this debian install upto speed though |
| 06:21.05 | luddite | rpc: that is illogocal |
| 06:21.05 | rpc | luddite fetch a Beryl or whatever and enjoy ubuntu, i don't understand what's wrong with it? |
| 06:21.05 | Guerin | luddite: what's not up to speed about it? |
| 06:21.06 | CryptoMole | that coomand dont wrk |
| 06:21.06 | hark | CryptoMole: as root? |
| 06:21.06 | gravity | wtf |
| 06:21.06 | CryptoMole | nope |
| 06:21.06 | gravity | luddite: What's wrong with compiz in Debian for you? |
| 06:21.07 | rpc | anyway really enough... ethtool calls for me again :/ |
| 06:21.07 | CryptoMole | the prompt says its costomized |
| 06:21.07 | luddite | Guerin: i cant seem to get net connection. rpc informed me that maybe debian doesnt notice usb modems by defualt. |
| 06:21.08 | abrotman | what kind of modem ? |
| 06:21.08 | Guerin | luddite: well, modem-modem or cable-modem or what? |
| 06:21.08 | luddite | gravity - whats wrong is id like to try it but i cant get net connection with debian. |
| 06:21.08 | abrotman | usb cable modem |
| 06:21.08 | Guerin | most of them aren't actually modems, so ... |
| 06:21.08 | luddite | cable-modem |
| 06:21.09 | Guerin | luddite: call your ISP and get one which plugs in via ethernet |
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| 06:21.09 | hark | they suck |
| 06:21.10 | gravity | Ok, wow. that's pretty far from compiz. |
| 06:21.10 | luddite | this is a motorola SB5100 |
| 06:21.10 | luddite | gravity: yes |
| 06:21.10 | luddite | ;-) |
| 06:21.11 | f0g | I'm trying to view a few images without X installed -- vesafb is modprobed, but fbi complains /dev/fb0: no such file or directory |
| 06:21.11 | f0g | ls -l /dev/fb* says that there's fb0-9 though, and that the user has rw- |
| 06:21.12 | Guerin | luddite: i have a motorola surfboard 5101 - it has an ethernet jack |
| 06:21.12 | Guerin | ask if you can swap it out |
| 06:21.12 | luddite | Guerin: i can plug it into the ethernet definately |
| 06:21.12 | luddite | ask? |
| 06:21.12 | rpc | f0g why would F*I complain about your fb0? :) |
| 06:21.12 | Guerin | luddite: please do. |
| 06:21.12 | luddite | ok |
| 06:21.13 | luddite | one more stupid question |
| 06:21.13 | Guerin | luddite: they don't need drivers as an ethernet device |
| 06:21.13 | f0g | rpc: Because fbi needs a framebuffer to work? |
| 06:21.13 | luddite | i only dl'ed cd1. do i need anymore? |
| 06:21.14 | Guerin | luddite: no. |
| 06:21.14 | luddite | cool - what are the rest for- i read the wiki but couldnt get a straight answer |
| 06:21.14 | luddite | ther is like 14 |
| 06:21.15 | luddite | or 2 dvd's |
| 06:21.15 | f0g | rpc: I'm not sure it's setup properly -- the framebuffer. |
| 06:21.15 | f0g | It's got vesafb modprobed. |
| 06:21.15 | Guerin | luddite: if you have a network, you're good |
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| 06:21.17 | luddite | Guerin: i dont - single pc connected to modem |
| 06:21.17 | Supaplex | luddite: netinst is all you need if you have internet access. it'll install and fetch packages from the net. |
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| 06:21.18 | hark | f0g: does it work as root btw? |
| 06:21.18 | Guerin | luddite: ine internets are a networks |
| 06:21.18 | Guerin | s/ine/the |
| 06:21.19 | luddite | Supaplex: i have that on cd too. but couldnt get net access ;-) |
| 06:21.19 | f0g | hark: Already tried. Same error, which is really weird. |
| 06:21.19 | luddite | Guerin: you are correct |
| 06:21.20 | Guerin | luddite: hence, you have a network. Hence, you need CD1. |
| 06:21.20 | luddite | ok |
| 06:21.20 | eshaase | luddite: i'd have to agree with rpc and say that it seems like what you want is ubuntu |
| 06:21.20 | luddite | i have cd1. |
| 06:21.21 | f0g | hark: cat says that /dev/fb0 doesn't exist either. |
| 06:21.40 | f0g | hark: But ls and stat say it does. |
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| 06:21.42 | gravity | When did this become #promote-ubuntu? |
| 06:21.43 | abrotman | got that way lately :) |
| 06:21.44 | luddite | eshase: i dont like ubuntu :-). i have tried lots of distro's and have never tried defualt debian. i wanted to. but it seems support for things that *i believe and expect due to past experience* are not there -like X |
| 06:21.44 | f0g | anyone/ i dont get why the files are there yet not there |
| 06:21.45 | dondelelcaro | gravity: did you hear that? X isn't supported! ;-) |
| 06:21.45 | gravity | W.T.F. |
| 06:21.45 | rahul | debian doesn't have X support?? |
| 06:21.45 | slummer | how do i get glibc-2.4 on sid? looks like my libc6 package says version 2.3.6 |
| 06:21.46 | abrotman | luddite: then use a distro that works for you |
| 06:21.46 | rahul | OH MY GOD, I'M DELUSIONAL |
| 06:21.46 | gravity | I guess I'll just stop... you know... working on X in Debian. |
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| 06:21.47 | rahul | luddite: that's retarded |
| 06:21.47 | f0g | Anyone? |
| 06:21.47 | rahul | why should X be installed by default? |
| 06:21.47 | f0g | I need to view images without X. |
| 06:21.47 | f0g | fbi is being a bitch |
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| 06:21.48 | dondelelcaro | f0g: there are a few console viewers, but they kind of suck, unfortunatly. |
| 06:21.49 | luddite | rahul: it is indeed retarded |
| 06:21.49 | dondelelcaro | luddite: almost nothing is installed by default. If you want X, you should select the "desktop" task or similar. |
| 06:21.49 | rahul | what is "release programs"? |
| 06:21.50 | f0g | dondelelcaro: I'm trying fbi... but there's some framebuffer weirdness. |
| 06:21.50 | Guerin | rahul: this is not jeopardy |
| 06:21.50 | rahul | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 06:21.52 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Guerin to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 06:21.52 | f0g | dondelelcaro: Like.... /dev/fb0 is there according to ls and stat, but not according to cat and fbi. |
| 06:21.53 | luddite | dondelelcaro: ok thatnk |
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| 06:21.54 | dondelelcaro | f0g: the device node could be there, but that doesn't mean that fb0 actuually works. |
| 06:21.54 | f0g | dondelelcaro: What do you suggest I do? |
| 06:21.54 | gravity | Christ on a fuckstick |
| 06:21.54 | eshaase | luddite: yeah, using the 'desktop' task has always setup and configured X properly for me on my desktop machines |
| 06:21.55 | f0g | dondelelcaro: I just need to see a few images -- my full X system box is coming back tomorrow morning. |
| 06:21.55 | rahul | Jesus was gay? |
| 06:21.55 | luddite | anyway im going to try this install again with ethernet. |
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| 06:21.55 | gravity | rahul: And Debian doesn't have X support |
| 06:21.56 | luddite | desktop task? is that the option at the start? |
| 06:21.56 | f0g | dondelelcaro: So, I just really need something that kinda works for a little while |
| 06:21.56 | rpc | is there a way to turn off ACPI on boot? |
| 06:21.57 | luddite | ok - remember that: i will try that - is X on CD1? |
| 06:21.57 | rpc | or do i need to recompile kernel to achive that? |
| 06:21.57 | eshaase | gravity: haha |
| 06:21.57 | abrotman | acpi=off or something like that |
| 06:21.57 | dondelelcaro | f0g: yeah, sounds like you don't have the fb driver running... unfortunatly, I don't know enough about getting it on machines that don't actually require it. |
| 06:21.57 | rahul | I should make pink t-shirts with that on it |
| 06:21.58 | f0g | rpc: noapic, nolapic, acpi=off, |
| 06:22.08 | rahul | sell it in the west village |
| 06:22.09 | rpc | f0g thank you very much |
| 06:22.09 | f0g | dondelelcaro: Shit shit shit.... |
| 06:22.09 | hark | luddite: yes, you'll see it. if not run tasksel |
| 06:22.09 | eshaase | luddite: you select it sometime during the installation (after the network detection) |
| 06:22.10 | Supaplex | !noacpi |
| 06:22.10 | dondelelcaro | f0g: video=fb or simlar may do it, but someone may know better. |
| 06:22.10 | abrotman | !noapic ? |
| 06:22.10 | luddite | rpc: i believe ACPI can be turned off via the BIOS |
| 06:22.10 | f0g | dondelelcaro: On the commandline? |
| 06:22.11 | hark | !hi |
| 06:22.11 | dpkg | hello, hark |
| 06:22.11 | f0g | dondelelcaro: Er, boot line? |
| 06:22.11 | dondelelcaro | f0g: kernel command; you have to enable it at boot time. |
| 06:22.11 | f0g | Greeeat. |
| 06:22.12 | f0g | Let's try |
| 06:22.12 | luddite | Thanks all |
| 06:22.13 | luddite | You have been very helpful |
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| 06:22.13 | eshaase | luddite: have fun! |
| 06:22.14 | luddite | rpc: you have been very entertaining ;-) |
| 06:22.15 | luddite | eshaase:thanks mate - you too. |
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| 06:22.18 | gravity | I'm way too bitter to be doing tech support now |
| 06:22.18 | abrotman | !beer gravity |
| 06:22.18 | Rusty1 | Guerin: about time, can I make it in time for the sizzle from NA? |
| 06:22.18 | Cybane | !firefox2 |
| 06:22.18 | abrotman | gravity: would you like to read about the failure of tire reefs ? |
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| 06:22.20 | gravity | abrotman: Not really. I'm reading the failure of my haskell programming skillz |
| 06:22.20 | Cybane | Hey gravity x and FVWM now work on my Laptop =D |
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| 06:22.21 | gravity | Cybane: Cool. Congrats. |
| 06:22.21 | abrotman | gravity: i need a more powerful soldering iron! :) |
| 06:22.21 | gravity | Welcome to 1996 |
| 06:22.21 | abrotman | gravity: perhaps the language has failed you ... |
| 06:22.22 | Azar | :) |
| 06:22.23 | gravity | abrotman: To solder your tire reefs so they stop failing? |
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| 06:22.24 | rpc | [06:03:24] <luddite> rpc: you have been very entertaining ;-) <---i hate egos... |
| 06:22.24 | abrotman | gravity: i'm trying to fix an old radio .. apparently the iron i have doesn't get hot enough or something |
| 06:22.25 | rpc | is it ok to add a line in lilo: append="acpi=off" ? right before initrd=... ? |
| 06:22.26 | gravity | That's cool |
| 06:22.26 | abrotman | it's not cool! |
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| 06:22.27 | rpc | so is it or not? :) |
| 06:22.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 06:22.27 | Azar | reading some article I can't stop to savor this well put sentence:" We live in a world that is brainwashed by aesthetics..." hehe well said indeed |
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| 06:22.28 | rpc | abrotman thank you, just read that the eth0 problem has to do with ACPI on SMP kernels... hope this works then |
| 06:22.28 | abrotman | really ? |
| 06:22.28 | rpc | yes |
| 06:22.29 | abrotman | rpc: that would make sense .. if it failed without the bridge too |
| 06:22.29 | rpc | some old bug and it comes up random |
| 06:22.29 | eshaase | Azar: link me |
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| 06:22.30 | rpc | hm it didn't.. or at least i didn't notice so far |
| 06:22.30 | Guerin | Rusty1: you're not the first person to ask that question this evening. |
| 06:22.31 | Azar | eshaase: hmmm the topic of the article is offtopic here |
| 06:22.31 | Azar | eshaase: pm me |
| 06:22.31 | Guerin | Rusty1: and you get the same answer: if you can make it before the beer runs out, you're welcome |
| 06:22.32 | Rusty1 | Guerin: my warp drive is down atm, enjoy and good luck |
| 06:22.32 | eshaase | Azar: haha, ok |
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| 06:22.33 | Azar | I don't know how to pm in irssi hahaha |
| 06:22.33 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it's just /msg |
| 06:22.33 | abrotman | Azar: /msg |
| 06:22.34 | Azar | oh dumb me! |
| 06:22.36 | Azar | oops it does not work? |
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| 06:22.37 | dondelelcaro | Azar: it does.. |
| 06:22.37 | abrotman | not if they're not registered i suppose |
| 06:22.38 | abrotman | they could both join #azar or something |
| 06:22.38 | Azar | hmmm yep indeed |
| 06:22.38 | Azar | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=17283 << well hell |
| 06:22.39 | rpc | ACPI: Interpreter disabled. <--is it completely gone then? :) or do i still need noapic or nolapic commands too? |
| 06:22.39 | abrotman | apic isn't the same as acpi |
| 06:22.40 | eshaase | in the past, how long has it taken from a release being frozen to moving into a new stable/testing branch? |
| 06:22.40 | rpc | hmm.. i think i confused myself big time |
| 06:22.40 | eshaase | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.40 | eshaase | nm |
| 06:22.41 | eshaase | ahhh, osnews.com , one of my fav sites |
| 06:22.42 | Rusty1 | Azar: anaesthetics more like it :-) |
| 06:22.42 | jindal | hey guys can i ask a question related to wifi here? (though it aint specific to debian) |
| 06:22.43 | abrotman | what is it specific to ? |
| 06:22.43 | Guerin | jindal: #wireless is probably better |
| 06:22.44 | Guerin | eshaase: osnews is bollocks |
| 06:22.44 | jindal | oks :) |
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| 06:22.44 | jindal | i ask wireless first |
| 06:22.45 | eshaase | Guerin: what would you suggest? |
| 06:22.46 | Guerin | eshaase: for what? News about OSen? Even /. is better. |
| 06:22.47 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:22.47 | eshaase | jindal: you can pm me, i just setup a wireless system |
| 06:22.47 | Guerin | eshaase: it's dominated by hobbyists who all have their own baby OS to propagate. |
| 06:22.47 | jindal | eshaase, :) |
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| 06:22.48 | eshaase | Guerin: well i like reading about those baby OSes =) |
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| 06:22.53 | jindal | eshaase: did ya recieve my pm ? |
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| 06:22.55 | Azar | hey look jindal is back.. jindal did you solved your problem? |
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| 06:22.56 | orkid | :) |
| 06:22.56 | Azar | when is ready? hehe |
| 06:22.56 | orkid | lol |
| 06:22.56 | orkid | uyeah i know |
| 06:22.56 | NextTrack | :P |
| 06:22.56 | eshaase | jindal: yeah, i reponded |
| 06:22.57 | jindal | Azar: nope the problem is still buggin me |
| 06:22.57 | orkid | etch release? |
| 06:22.57 | orkid | err, it doesn't work? |
| 06:22.57 | Azar | jindal: I thought you got a new other card by now |
| 06:22.58 | jindal | eshaase: nope i didnt receive any |
| 06:22.58 | Azar | orkid: what about? |
| 06:22.58 | orkid | oh yeah it works |
| 06:22.59 | jindal | Azar: other card? |
| 06:22.59 | orkid | nvm |
| 06:22.59 | eshaase | jindal: well i don't have a solution to your issue =) sorry |
| 06:22.59 | Azar | jindal: d-link? |
| 06:23.00 | jindal | eshaase: okey :( |
| 06:23.01 | Azar | jindal: if that consolate you, google see many others have your same problem |
| 06:23.02 | jindal | Azar: the access point is of Dlink |
| 06:23.02 | jindal | Azar: naah well i state my problem here |
| 06:23.03 | jindal | any suggestions on how to restrict login on a wifi WPA network using freeradius and openldap to a single session (at present am able to authenticate successfully but its also possible to open multiple sessions on different machines) my setup is PEAP |
| 06:23.04 | jindal | Azar: well i was able to get EAP+TLS working :) |
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| 06:23.07 | Azar | jindal: at least you got one step done :) |
| 06:23.08 | Quintin | What is a script that I can tack something onto so it's started when I login thru GDM? |
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| 06:23.10 | jindal | Azar: yeah am done with the major part... but am stuck on restricting users to one machine at a time :( |
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| 06:23.11 | slummer | when will sid get glibc 2.4? |
| 06:23.13 | squisher | Hi, does anyone here know a utility similar to 'file' but which returns more detailed information about the data in the file (Ie. bitrate of an audio / video file) |
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| 06:23.16 | eshaase | anyone have any idea if grub works with vista partitions? |
| 06:23.16 | Azar | haha |
| 06:23.17 | eshaase | i'm ready to get flamed, a simple yes/no would be nice =) |
| 06:23.18 | orkid | um porbably |
| 06:23.18 | orkid | if they're like normal ntfs partition |
| 06:23.19 | squisher | eshaase: sounds like a case for google |
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| 06:23.19 | Azar | eshaase: you could ask this on the other party >> #windows |
| 06:23.19 | orkid | 'works' means it'll jsust leavem alone.. but i dunnot really |
| 06:23.20 | rshakin | heh |
| 06:23.20 | eshaase | haha, well its a grub issue so i guess #gnu would be best |
| 06:23.20 | eshaase | not sure if #gnu exists |
| 06:23.20 | Azar | grub or linux or whatever does not rotate around windows OS |
| 06:23.20 | eshaase | i would say that it is important |
| 06:23.21 | Azar | eshaase: we don't have idea.. |
| 06:23.23 | eshaase | hehe, ok |
| 06:23.24 | eshaase | i figure there aren't alot of vista fans here =) |
| 06:23.25 | eshaase | i really want to try it out though out of curiosity, i have a pirated copy that i haven't gotten around to installing |
| 06:23.25 | Cybane | Anyone know of a good web browser to use in Sarge |
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| 06:23.26 | dondelelcaro | Cybane: firefox is the one most people use. |
| 06:23.26 | Cybane | I am really not wanting to use Firefox after reading about the issue with logo and trademark |
| 06:23.26 | phogg | what is the difference between linux-source, linux-tree, kernel-source and kernel-tree? |
| 06:23.27 | eshaase | Cybane: firefox/opera |
| 06:23.27 | eshaase | phogg: packages.debian.org |
| 06:23.27 | dondelelcaro | Cybane: oh; no need to worry about that. |
| 06:23.27 | phogg | eshaase: I'm trying to understand the naming convention. Are these all changing names for the same thing? |
| 06:23.28 | Cybane | Can you get Firefox 2 on Sarge? |
| 06:23.28 | Azar | eshaase: is not about fans or not I guess most here are just not curious about ms products... they look "old, out of fashion, obfuscated" |
| 06:23.28 | dondelelcaro | Cybane: there may be a backport, but I'm not sure. |
| 06:23.28 | eshaase | Cybane: with a backport |
| 06:23.29 | Cybane | seems like using Sarge is old news |
| 06:23.29 | Cybane | Do most people us Etch right now? |
| 06:23.29 | eshaase | well etch is frozen |
| 06:23.29 | Cybane | use |
| 06:23.29 | eshaase | should be stable soon |
| 06:23.29 | Azar | Cybane: hardwarewise only |
| 06:23.30 | Cybane | K going to get Etch then |
| 06:23.30 | eshaase | Azar: well i'm giving them a shot, i like to keep an open mind |
| 06:23.30 | Azar | Cybane: what does Firefox 2 have that the regular Firefox don't? |
| 06:23.30 | eshaase | Azar: i'm not going to write them off just because they are microsoft, you never know =) |
| 06:23.31 | Guerin | Azar: firefox 2 *is* regular firefox |
| 06:23.31 | eshaase | i think its supposed to be faster, setting interface is different, etc. |
| 06:23.31 | Guerin | Azar: has been for months |
| 06:23.31 | Cybane | Azar: You make a good point |
| 06:23.32 | Azar | eshaase: well you are luckyer than me: you seem to have plenty of time |
| 06:23.32 | Guerin | the main things it has are a lot of bugfixes, session support and new settings, especialyl regarding security |
| 06:23.32 | eshaase | Azar: yep, and i'm loving it |
| 06:23.32 | rpc | do you know what might be causing regular ssh sessions disconnect on a particular box? keepalive in enabled on sshd |
| 06:23.33 | Azar | Guerin: yes I know :) is just curiosity everyone runs after the bigger version number attached to an application that does... same thing like the previous version |
| 06:23.33 | Guerin | Azar: well ... that's not always true |
| 06:23.34 | Guerin | what *is* true is that the old version still does the things which were good enough before |
| 06:23.34 | Guerin | which is the version I still run apache 1.3.x |
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| 06:23.35 | Guerin | s/version/reason/ |
| 06:23.35 | Azar | Guerin: if my vision would be better, I would not mind using Links over Firefox... I got this annoying habit of reading black text over white background.. |
| 06:23.35 | eshaase | usually wikipedia gives a good summary of new versions, i check that out before |
| 06:23.35 | Azar | Guerin: ah well understandeable on major applications... but a simple browser? |
| 06:23.36 | Guerin | i don't |
| 06:23.36 | Guerin | i just upgrade and damn the torpedoes |
| 06:23.37 | Guerin | unless it's on my beloved server :) |
| 06:23.37 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:23.37 | Guerin | Azar: a browser *is* a major application |
| 06:23.38 | Guerin | probably the one most people spend most of their time in |
| 06:23.38 | Guerin | certainly for me it's a toss-up between firefox and rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 06:23.38 | Azar | Guerin: bah to each on his own needs, all I use in a browser: read stories |
| 06:23.39 | eshaase | Azar: you never use the web for media at all? |
| 06:23.39 | nvz | I spend more than 50 percent of my time in bash, aterm, screen, and irssi |
| 06:23.39 | Azar | eshaase: nope, no need because no time to get bored and start looking for eyecandy and gadgets online |
| 06:23.39 | hark | the rest in FF! |
| 06:23.39 | eshaase | Azar: youtube.com is a great timekiller for us people with lots of time =) |
| 06:23.40 | nvz | hark: only since I became a myspace weenie |
| 06:23.40 | Azar | #debian is more pleasant for spending my time |
| 06:23.40 | hark | hehe |
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| 06:23.41 | phogg | sometimes I feel like a google proxy for dumb users |
| 06:23.42 | rpc | eshaase my eth0 problem is the biggest time killer, trust me on this :) |
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| 06:23.44 | rpc | phogg lol |
| 06:23.45 | nvz | ~person |
| 06:24.18 | apt | person is probably like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 06:24.18 | haggz | ive streamlined a lot of my web usage by writing scripts that fetch the information I want with wget, strip out all the junk with sed, then dumps it all into a nice plaintext digest every few hours |
| 06:24.18 | nvz | !person |
| 06:24.18 | dpkg | hmm... person is like a bot, but squishier |
| 06:24.18 | Azar | eshaase: back in my time (when I was still in school) the youtube version was the webtv communities :) trivial, and a real waste of time |
| 06:24.19 | nvz | phogg: fancy bionic infobot |
| 06:24.20 | phogg | nvz: that's it exactly |
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| 06:24.20 | nanotube | is there any alternative to http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main it seems taht I can ping it but can not download...?? |
| 06:24.20 | Guerin | phogg: yep. |
| 06:24.20 | hark | FF certainly has become the killer app nowadays, given that how many people use it inspite of it being an absolute memory hog. |
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| 06:24.20 | Guerin | nanotube: no. security.d.o is a single point of failure, but it's that way for good reasons. |
| 06:24.21 | Guerin | hark: ram is cheap, time isn't. |
| 06:24.21 | dondelelcaro | there are mirrors of s.d.o, though. |
| 06:24.21 | phogg | RAM isn't that. cheap. No browser should use 200M of RAM. |
| 06:24.22 | Guerin | i don't own a single box which has more than 512MB, and i have *never* run into major memory problems with ff |
| 06:24.22 | nanotube | Guerin: thanks... so I just need tu wait and keep trying? |
| 06:24.22 | rpc | ram is cheap unless you need more than 4 gigs :) |
| 06:24.23 | Guerin | nanotube: if the updates you seek have propagated out to the mirrors, you can use them |
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| 06:24.23 | Azar | hehe: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/16/1937237 |
| 06:24.24 | hark | it uses a lot more than the other gecko browsers like galeon or epiphany.. |
| 06:24.25 | Guerin | hark: that's because those browsers are shit |
| 06:24.25 | hark | agreed, it's the addons; and i'm used to it |
| 06:24.26 | Guerin | well |
| 06:24.26 | Guerin | even without the addons |
| 06:24.26 | phogg | Azar: awesome |
| 06:24.26 | Guerin | gnomeware just wastes to much screen space |
| 06:24.26 | Azar | yep :) |
| 06:24.26 | hark | well, heh |
| 06:24.26 | Guerin | if I can't condense all the UI to one bar, I'm not interested |
| 06:24.27 | Guerin | actually, two now that I have a bigger monitor, but they're narrow bars |
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| 06:24.28 | Neeesat25 | Good Morning |
| 06:24.28 | Guerin | if anyone say Vietnam, I shall smit them |
| 06:24.28 | Guerin | and smite, too |
| 06:24.29 | Neeesat25 | Is there a way to remove the scanning of HD after some restarts? |
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| 06:24.29 | hark | the fsck? |
| 06:24.29 | phogg | Neeesat25: yes |
| 06:24.30 | Neeesat25 | how? |
| 06:24.30 | Guerin | Neeesat25: man tune2fs |
| 06:24.30 | Guerin | Neeesat25: not recommended |
| 06:24.31 | hark | hmm, also maybe rcS in /etc/default |
| 06:24.31 | Neeesat25 | Guerin: why not recomended? for bad sectors etc? |
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| 06:24.33 | Guerin | Neeesat25: no, fsck only checks the filesystem. It's just an insurance policy. No more than 30 mounts/180 days (default) between an error occurring anf you knowing about it. |
| 06:24.34 | pestilence | i want to verify a backup of about 85 gigs of data, it's very important that i'm certain the backup was successful. here's what i am thinking of doing: generate md5sums for the entire source, and then do md5sum -c on the backup. is there an easier/faster way? |
| 06:24.35 | Neeesat25 | Every time it does the scanning my Ethernet card does not work and I have to reboot again |
| 06:24.35 | pestilence | i should add that this is about 85 gigs of data per machine, on 6 machines |
| 06:24.35 | mfrisch | pestilence: do a dry run ? |
| 06:24.35 | pestilence | mfrisch: what do you mean |
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| 06:24.37 | mfrisch | pestilence: don't write anything just make sure the backup is valid. depends what you used to say what exactly |
| 06:24.37 | pestilence | mfrisch: i used rsync to make the backup |
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| 06:24.38 | Acu | Is any chatroom on mozilla firefox - I have still trouble getting flashplayer updated - I wonder what is the benefit having it as a choice in synaptic if it is of no use (is not properly installed to be functional) for both, firefox and konqueror - |
| 06:24.38 | colsham | when i try to switch fr kde to commandline mode, my monitor display "out of range'. what's the cause? |
| 06:24.38 | uptownben | Hi again all. I was asking a little while ago about a compilation problem.. I am trying to compile a module on my system but I get this error: Makefile:8 /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build/.config: No such file or directory.. it turns out the entire directory tree does not exist.. what package creates that tree structure and adds the necessary files? |
| 06:24.39 | nanotube | what is the bes way to test hard drive speed? any good package? |
| 06:24.39 | hark | get the headers, i think |
| 06:24.39 | pestilence | uptownben: you need the kernel headers |
| 06:24.40 | pestilence | nanotube: i have used iozone, don't know how it compares to other benchmarking tools |
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| 06:24.41 | Guerin | Acu: direct all complaints about flash to macdobedia. |
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| 06:24.41 | nanotube | pestilence: thanks I try that :-)) |
| 06:24.41 | Neeesat25 | So by doing 'tune2fs -c 0 /dev/hda1' scanning is desable for /dev/hda1? |
| 06:24.41 | Guerin | Neeesat25: is that what TFM says? |
| 06:24.42 | Neeesat25 | yes by setting -c to 0 |
| 06:24.42 | Neeesat25 | -c max-mount-counts |
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| 06:24.42 | Neeesat25 | If max-mount-counts is 0 or -1, the numâ |
| 06:24.43 | Neeesat25 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.43 | Neeesat25 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.43 | hark | i think it's -i |
| 06:24.43 | rahul | Guerin: macromedia was bought by adobe, btw |
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| 06:24.45 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:24.45 | Azar | macdobedia |
| 06:24.45 | Acu | Guerin: unfortunately open source is lagging to painfully far behind the proprietary players recorders encoding - however I was asking whether there is a official channel for firefox? |
| 06:24.45 | Neeesat25 | I did also -i to 0 |
| 06:24.45 | hark | Neeesat25: well, good :) |
| 06:24.46 | Guerin | rahul: you don't say. |
| 06:24.46 | hark | Acu: #firefox ? |
| 06:24.46 | Neeesat25 | Thanks |
| 06:24.46 | rpc | is this fair? 11: XT-PIC uhci_hcd:usb1, uhci_hcd:usb2, eth0 |
| 06:24.47 | rpc | i mean eth0 sharing irq with usb |
| 06:24.47 | Guerin | Acu: no, it's not. There are perfectly good free software browser video plugins, people (lkike youtube) just choose not to use them. |
| 06:24.47 | Guerin | Acu: the firefox channel is #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 06:24.47 | uptownben | I installed the kernel headers, no difference..same error when I try the compile.. |
| 06:24.47 | Acu | I am very confused to see so many libflash-swfplayer libflash-mozplugin I wonder what all these do if they do not help in playing the videos - |
| 06:24.48 | pestilence | uptownben: did you point the module build makefile to the headers? |
| 06:24.49 | Acu | Guerin: thanks |
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| 06:24.49 | uptownben | The module I'm installing is the rtl8180 module from sourceforge.. I've compiled it on other machines before without any special mods.. |
| 06:24.49 | hark | Acu: there's a #firefox here too, with a /topic mention of the one on mozilla's irc as well |
| 06:24.49 | Azar | uptownben: are you using Debian? |
| 06:24.50 | uptownben | yes.. Debian Sarge |
| 06:24.50 | Azar | uptownben: so why are you compiling stuff from sourceforge and not use the .deb packages? |
| 06:24.50 | uptownben | I couldnt find a rtl8180 deb package |
| 06:24.50 | Guerin | Acu: flash is more than playing youtube video, and those players are *development* players |
| 06:24.51 | uptownben | do you know of one? |
| 06:24.51 | Azar | up holdon |
| 06:24.51 | Guerin | Acu: they work for some things |
| 06:24.51 | uptownben | its for my wireless card |
| 06:24.51 | Guerin | and are being improved |
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| 06:24.52 | Acu | Guerin: I was just removing them like libflash-mozplugin libflash-swfplayer - maybe I shouldnot |
| 06:24.53 | uptownben | Couldt find any rtl8180 drivers for debian so I decided to compile and install the one from sourceforge which has worked in the past |
| 06:24.54 | Acu | Guerin: I was thinking to download the flashplayer from adobe and drag the *.so file into the plugins folder |
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| 06:24.55 | Azar | uptownben: http://ace-host.stuart.id.au/russell/files/debian/sarge/rtl8180/ |
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| 06:24.55 | Azar | yep there is no package for it in Debian repos |
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| 06:24.56 | Azar | uptownben: what linux version you use in Sarge? |
| 06:24.57 | phogg | are any woody mirrors still up? |
| 06:24.58 | Azar | phogg: been archived |
| 06:24.58 | concept10 | Acu, are you talking about downloading the Win or Lin version? |
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| 06:24.59 | xixor | can someone recommend a good imap server? I'd like to setup squirrelmail on my system :) |
| 06:24.59 | hark | phogg: /msg dpkg archives |
| 06:24.59 | rajagopal | what is the equivalent of bas-config in etch? |
| 06:24.59 | hark | rajagopal: none, afaik |
| 06:25.00 | hark | wait.. |
| 06:25.00 | concept10 | How do I change the default EDITOR in bash? |
| 06:25.00 | Acu | concept10: linux version of course - I am using Debian Etch |
| 06:25.00 | phogg | hark: thanks |
| 06:25.00 | Azar | phogg: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/ |
| 06:25.00 | hark | concept10: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 06:25.01 | rajagopal | hark: i couldnt get my gdm running. i did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. But still gdm doesnt start.. how to get the xserver running? |
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| 06:25.01 | concept10 | Acu, whats the problem with using the one on adobe again? (i didnt catch the entire post) it works for me |
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| 06:25.01 | hark | rajagopal: errors would be helpful.. |
| 06:25.02 | concept10 | hark, thanks |
| 06:25.03 | Acu | is so sad, to use Debian GNU/Linux you almost need to have a PhD in Computer and ton of time |
| 06:25.03 | rajagopal | hark: i'll put it in a pastebin and give u the link.. just a min |
| 06:25.03 | concept10 | Acu, not really, you need resources and eyes |
| 06:25.03 | Acu | concept10: I am trying to have installed flashplayer latest version to run on either Firefox or Konqueror - |
| 06:25.04 | EricBlade | i just installed KDE from Synaptic, is there somewhere i can easily switch to it from gnome ? |
| 06:25.04 | uptownben | I'm using 2.6 |
| 06:25.04 | rajagopal | hark: what file would the errors be put in? |
| 06:25.05 | hark | Acu: you would need ALSA for that |
| 06:25.05 | hark | rajagopal: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:25.05 | concept10 | Acu, the way you posted will work. Download from Adobe, remove the old ones, copy the libflashplayer any where you found the old version |
| 06:25.05 | EricBlade | acu: i was never able to get flash to work in mozilla/firefox, which is why i started using opera, and i likely will never go away from it :) |
| 06:25.06 | rajagopal | hark: Thanks.. |
| 06:25.06 | hark | rajagopal: just grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:25.06 | phogg | Acu: works for me. What is the issue? |
| 06:25.07 | Acu | EricBlade: it is easy just log off from GNOME and chose session KDE - |
| 06:25.12 | hark | apt: you're slow! |
| 06:25.44 | apt | i'll take that as a complement |
| 06:25.45 | rajagopal | hark: I dont have an ui.. how to copy the text from one tty and paste in pastebin that is there in the other tty? |
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| 06:25.45 | EricBlade | acu: ah, as if that actually made sense somehow :-S |
| 06:25.45 | EricBlade | brb |
| 06:25.45 | Acu | phogg: I want (need) the latest flashplayer to work on either Konqueror or Firefox (Iceweasel) |
| 06:25.46 | concept10 | Acu, did you get what I said earlier? |
| 06:25.47 | Azar | Acu: is just a matter of choice who likes Debian dedicates time and learn... |
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| 06:26.11 | concept10 | I told you that you needed eyes |
| 06:26.16 | hark | !pastebin |
| 06:26.16 | dpkg | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 06:26.16 | phogg | Acu: So I gathered. Works for me. What is the issue? |
| 06:26.32 | uptownben | Azar: that url just points to another set of sources. I'm not sure how that may help me? |
| 06:26.40 | hark | rajagopal: or are you irc'ing from that pc itself? |
| 06:27.00 | rajagopal | hark: yes. i'm using irssi to irc. |
| 06:27.02 | Azar | uptownben: well I just googled for you and picked the link that I thought gonna help you most |
| 06:27.12 | rajagopal | hark: i have only one pc |
| 06:27.14 | hark | rajagopal: /j #flood |
| 06:28.36 | uptownben | Ah.. thanks.. I was doing alot of google'ing for that.. whats up with my missing /lib/modules directory? |
| 06:28.49 | concept10 | 1. Download Flash from Adobe(tm). 2. Use the installer OR install manually. 3. Manual install? Huh? 3a. locate libflashplayer 3b. rm everyone you find. 3c. cp the NEW libflashplayer into those folders 4. Restart Firefox 5. (Optional) Waste time on SlutTube. |
| 06:29.12 | Azar | uptownben: I can't have idea what you have installed or not.. |
| 06:29.13 | uptownben | or rather my missing .config file |
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| 06:30.03 | EricBlade | holy balls kde is way faster than gnome |
| 06:30.05 | EricBlade | unfortunatly, it's totally screwing up my sound card |
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| 06:30.48 | xixor | ah, sweet, used dovecot and got squirrelmail going on the ole' home linux server |
| 06:30.49 | rpc | EricBlade that's not kde's fault |
| 06:31.19 | rpc | EricBlade smells like irq conflict that can be sorted out most likely |
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| 06:31.37 | concept10 | I have found the greatest application on Linux: ironpython |
| 06:32.02 | Acu | Azar: I like Debian and I am trying to use it for my daily use - the problem is that there is so much troubleshooting and configuration that it you reach to very low productivity for the real job you want to use Debian: eg to make a partition accessible to all users you need to edit fstab, to conect wireless to a laptop is impossible, to make a plugin for firefox or Konqueror you need three weeks - do not misunderstand me - I like Debian and I |
| 06:32.02 | hark | rajagopal: ok, also the grep WW as well |
| 06:32.02 | Acu | understand that I have somehow make myself things better trhough my effort - but it is almost that the purpose of using Debian is to use Debian not to achieve something else.... |
| 06:32.10 | EricBlade | well, i have two sound cards, and they -were- both working fine, except for a minor problem that the kernel would race detecting them |
| 06:32.15 | EricBlade | well, ok, that was a major problem |
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| 06:32.30 | EricBlade | but this is more major in that one of the sound cards is just spitting out noise |
| 06:32.44 | uptownben | actually its my modules/2.6.8-2-386/build directory that's missing (??) |
| 06:32.54 | uptownben | actually its my /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/build directory that's missing (??) |
| 06:33.10 | rpc | EricBlade add this in your bootlader command line: noirqdebug |
| 06:33.15 | rpc | loader* |
| 06:33.36 | EricBlade | erm, wha'ts that do specifically? |
| 06:33.42 | rpc | EricBlade you may also try: noapic and nolapic |
| 06:34.35 | concept10 | Acu, thats a good point actually. I have been on Debian for three years and that hasnt changed. What has changed is that I know how to find solutions faster. This isnt Debian specific. Some things on Linux are a PITA, some things are better than other environments |
| 06:34.57 | hark | rajagopal: how did you install X? |
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| 06:35.26 | EricBlade | good god, someone finally fixed the memory problems kde had, i've got it booted up and running taking about 40mb ram total |
| 06:35.41 | EricBlade | last time i ran kde it sucked down a half a gig just to run slowly |
| 06:35.58 | rpc | EricBlade just 40MB? |
| 06:36.09 | xixor | EricBlade: where are you finding this info? |
| 06:36.15 | EricBlade | looks like between X and KDE that's what top is showing |
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| 06:36.41 | phogg | Acu: you are unfamiliar with the system. To get flash9 working took me five minutes. To connect a laptop wirelessly took two hours the first time I did it. |
| 06:36.51 | EricBlade | free says i have about 950mb free out of 1gb |
| 06:36.53 | Acu | I have to make a website easydebian.org and video record the screen for all this very basic needs which are unfulfilled only after ~1000 hours of sweat and frustration - |
| 06:37.25 | hark | rajagopal: ? |
| 06:37.44 | EricBlade | i'm going to kill gaim and see if that fixes my sound since that's what screwed it up brb |
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| 06:38.12 | phogg | Acu: why video? Text is smaller and more likely to be helpful. Most of what you will show will be commands that need to be typed. |
| 06:38.13 | rajagopal | hark: done that |
| 06:38.15 | rajagopal | hark: apt-get install gnome installed all X related stuff as deps... Then i installed xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:38.19 | rajagopal | hark: it too added some packages as deps |
| 06:38.25 | EricBlade | ok, it's not playing repeating noises anymore |
| 06:38.32 | EricBlade | now, i can think |
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| 06:38.41 | rajagopal | hark: pardon me, i dont get u. |
| 06:38.49 | Acu | phogg: you are a Genius and most probably a Ph.D. in computer too - I forgot that for the wireless after 3 weeks of sweat I got it working with Ubuntu using ndiswraper - afterwards I reformat the hardisk - install Debian Etch and is not working anyowe |
| 06:38.53 | hark | rajagopal: yes, but you have etch don't you |
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| 06:39.55 | rajagopal | hark: yes. i have etch.. i used the weekly builds.. |
| 06:40.02 | EricBlade | ok whoever said irq problems, i've got usb2/3 and both sound boards in irq10, and usb1/4, 2 ethernet cards, and nvidia on irq 11 |
| 06:40.10 | rajagopal | hark: one of the weekly builds cdset |
| 06:40.17 | phogg | Acu: I am of average intelligence, but I am familiar with Linux and with Debian. Once you get a feel for how the system works figuring out the new thing gets increasingly simple. |
| 06:40.18 | hark | rajagopal: install xorg |
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| 06:41.29 | Azar | Acu: you got a good point there as the more you get on your desktops and other applications the more complicated it gets. It is a case of "the more the harder" |
| 06:42.22 | Azar | uptownben: it seems that your rtl8180 came with a but that was not solved yet. As of Nov 1 2006 I can read that the bug was closed unsolved.. |
| 06:42.34 | Acu | phogg: that will be an interesting contest - to see how people less familiar with Debian will perform better and get fast on loving track towards Debian - to my surprise for every damn task - like connecting to a windows machine you have Text, GUI and WEb interface - there are almost NO tutorials how to use swat for samba or webmin and so on which I see as godsend |
| 06:42.40 | rajagopal | hark: Thanks.. it worked.. :) |
| 06:43.48 | Azar | phogg: maybe your and your users needs are not satisfied by a Debian system, did you tried something easier? |
| 06:43.51 | phogg | Acu: I must disagree. There are many tutorials on using samba and several small things on setting up mounting via smb. |
| 06:43.58 | hark | rajagopal: see gdm now? |
| 06:43.59 | phogg | or at least there were, once |
| 06:44.38 | rajagopal | hark: yes. gdm comes up nicely, and I got gnome running now. Thanks a lot :))) |
| 06:44.45 | EricBlade | now how the heck can i get debian to force my SB Live to be the primary sound |
| 06:44.57 | EricBlade | maybe i should just delete the module for the other heh |
| 06:45.00 | hark | rajagopal: you're welcome :) |
| 06:45.02 | xixor | so, quick question: when I am logging into m y squirrelmail server using http (not https) to check my mail, is my password being sent in plain text over http? |
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| 06:45.27 | xoz | xixor: yep |
| 06:45.29 | hark | yes |
| 06:45.36 | phogg | Everything that happens happens for a reason. Every action is a command or a series of commands. Everything worth configuring is controlled by either a plain text file or a command line utility. |
| 06:45.42 | hark | but who cares :p |
| 06:45.45 | Supaplex | xixor: in a word, dsniff :) (yes) |
| 06:46.11 | xixor | wow |
| 06:46.12 | xixor | ok |
| 06:46.16 | xixor | I better get https going then, eh? |
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| 06:46.27 | baggend | EricBlade: If you have two soundcards and they're both being picked up by ALSA you can just configure which one is the primary through your asoundrc. |
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| 06:47.21 | EricBlade | baggend: hmm, where might that be? |
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| 06:48.52 | baggend | EricBlade: Your personal is in ~/.asoundrc, the system-wide one is... /etc/asoundrc I believe? Not sure about the latter, so don't quote me on it. :) |
| 06:49.05 | EricBlade | i don't seem to have either |
| 06:49.26 | baggend | EricBlade: Are you sure you're using ALSA for sound? |
| 06:49.34 | EricBlade | yes |
| 06:50.10 | baggend | EricBlade: Ok. Then do 'aplay -l' to get a list of your devices. Then you'll need to create a custom ~/.asoundrc and define your default in there. |
| 06:51.02 | EricBlade | baggend: since i did an rmmod on the other sound driver, is there some way i can force alsa to reset the one it picked up as #1 to #0 ? |
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| 06:51.47 | tron---- | hi.. i got a problem with my network.. i got a debian router and he drops all received packets from the network.. RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:4294961962 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 06:51.48 | baggend | EricBlade: I don't think ALSA will do it for you, but you can do an rmmod on the remaining one and then just modprobe it again. That should reset it #0. |
| 06:51.54 | tron---- | what can i do against this? |
| 06:51.54 | Acu | phogg: I will give you a real example - I wanted to connect to a MacOSX file server trough samba - so if I install samba smbfs and smb4k - I got almost always NT_Authentification failure or something like this - it took me 4 weeks to realise that there is some third form of samba NTLD3 (or something like this) which needs to be enabled - now connecting to a samba machine required extensive reading and troubleshooting - if I had a video to follo |
| 06:51.55 | Acu | w step by step - I woould have been better - and I understand I have to be the guy to do it - one excellent pozitive example is how DRUPAL tutorials video are done - they are absolutely beautifull and usefull geting anyone up to speed in one week maximum |
| 06:51.59 | EricBlade | ah, cool |
| 08:05.52 | haggz | bah, I just accidentally included about 4 different browser cache files in my configuration backup tarball. what a waste of space |
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| 08:05.53 | baggend | tron----: I'd guess that you have iptables set up to drop all incoming packets. I can't think what else would cause you to drop ALL packets like that. |
| 08:05.53 | EricBlade | oh hooray i have sound again |
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| 08:05.53 | EricBlade | and it's not being all repeaty |
| 08:05.54 | baggend | EricBlade: Just keep in mind that it'll probably break again after your next reboot. You need to either get your .asoundrc configured, or just blacklist the modules for the other soundcard so they don't automatically get loaded at boot time. |
| 08:05.54 | tron---- | baggend: how do i find out what rule in iptables is wrong? |
| 08:05.54 | EricBlade | now i wonder if wine will give me sound from the alsa library with kde running |
| 08:05.54 | Azar | Acu: nobody is PHD in here, myself I am just a simple user, learned much myself by reading the basic linux howtos at the beginning then the Debian way of doing things from the online Debian HowTo's. Takes time...yes depends on how fast you get it. Best practice is to Install Debian minimal and start building up support for hardware then put your candies on it. The Debian way. |
| 08:05.55 | baggend | tron----: You can do 'iptables-save' as root to get a listing of all iptables rules that are currently in effect. |
| 08:05.57 | baggend | EricBlade: That depends on whether your soundcard drivers have support for hardware mixing. If not, arts will probably take over your soundcard and you'll have to run all of your apps through arts instead. |
| 08:05.57 | baggend | EricBlade: If you're one of the lucky ones and your drivers DO support hardware mixing, then you won't have to worry about anything and it'll Just Work. |
| 08:05.57 | EricBlade | the state of audio in linux = sad |
| 08:05.57 | EricBlade | looks like that's a big no, even using an sb live.. |
| 08:05.57 | EricBlade | and wine's arts driver apparently isn't functional |
| 08:05.58 | squisher | EricBlade: sb live can do hw mixing... |
| 08:05.58 | baggend | squisher: Depends on the model of the SB Live. The sb live 24-bit doesn't do hw mixing. Rather, the CARD does it, but the ALSA drivers don't support it yet. |
| 08:05.58 | squisher | baggend: ok, that's true. |
| 08:05.58 | EricBlade | it's an original sb live, or live value |
| 08:05.59 | squisher | that one should be able to do it, if I remember correctly |
| 08:05.59 | EricBlade | it was able to like 8 years ago when i bought it :D |
| 08:06.00 | Azar | wow Alioth is still down? |
| 08:06.00 | squisher | you should probably better check the alsa docs, I'm sure itsays there (and the info is easy to find on their homepage) |
| 08:06.00 | baggend | EricBlade: Do 'lspci -v' and tell us which exact model it gives you for the sound card. (it'll be listed as a Multimedia Device" |
| 08:06.00 | EricBlade | ct32 sb live! value |
| 08:06.01 | EricBlade | er ct4832 |
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| 08:06.01 | tron---- | baggend: http://nopaste.php-q.net/276095 |
| 08:06.01 | baggend | Azar: Alioth seems fine for me. |
| 08:06.03 | Azar | baggend: "Raphaël Hertzog: Due to an unfortunate mistake we lost our gforge database this morning" |
| 08:06.04 | EricBlade | ok, removed all the wine drivers except for alsa, and that didn't work |
| 08:06.05 | baggend | Azar: Hmm... that would explain why the "Latest News" are from August 9th I guess... :) |
| 08:06.06 | Cybane | Anyone know if an LCD can have an image burned on to the screen by leaving it on without the image changing for a long period of time? |
| 08:06.07 | Azar | baggend: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2155 |
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| 08:06.25 | baggend | tron----: Do a 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' and make sure it says 1. If not, there's your problem. |
| 08:06.25 | Guerin | Cybane: ttbomk, an lcd can't |
| 08:06.25 | tron---- | it says 1 |
| 08:06.25 | baggend | Cybane: I'm with Guerin. I've never heard of it happening. |
| 08:06.25 | EricBlade | wow, if i ever get this working, then i need to be on getting the video hardware to work, and then the external storage devices. |
| 08:06.26 | baggend | tron----: Well now... ok, give me a sec to look at your iptables rules again. |
| 08:06.26 | baggend | EricBlade: Isn't this fun? :) |
| 08:06.26 | mapez | Cybane: I'm just going to differ and say its not permanent but it can happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_persistence |
| 08:06.27 | EricBlade | baggend: i've been using linux off and on since 92, and it still amazes me that anyone even bothers |
| 08:06.27 | Acu | It would be extraordinary if in the next Debconf - I understand is in Edingourough Scotland - all participants will make a video tutorial of 3 minutes or less in a topic they now best - for example using ISTANBUL screen recorder - that will give a boost to Debian than a daily exposure in CNN |
| 08:06.28 | baggend | EricBlade: I started using Debian in 2000, and since the spring of 2001 I've never needed anything else. It can be rough to set it up at first, but once you get the hang of it it's pretty easy. Then again, I'm a professional computer geek, so YMMV. :) |
| 08:06.28 | baggend | Acu: Don't hold your breath... :) |
| 08:06.28 | EricBlade | baggend: at least when i had to patch the kernel just to get it to boot, i understood what i was doing... :) |
| 08:06.29 | tron---- | baggend: this is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:06.29 | tron---- | http://nopaste.php-q.net/276096 |
| 08:06.29 | Acu | EricBlade: as you know better than me, is a combination between masochism, desire for freedom (at anycost), fun and from time to time utility |
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| 08:06.30 | Azar | haha |
| 08:06.30 | baggend | I'll brb. Need to kill xchat really quick. |
| 08:06.30 | Azar | any package that is non-debian related will not have a howto , video, audio or hired teacher provided to the users. |
| 08:06.30 | Azar | Acu ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6 |
| 08:06.32 | EricBlade | acu: i used to be a lot more masochistic towards getting my software working, which is why my tolerance for this has gone down as i've aged |
| 08:06.32 | Azar | Acu: firefox, flash, gnome, kde are NON-debian topics |
| 08:06.33 | EricBlade | ok, so anyway, if i turn off the checkmark on "use sound system" in kde, then it should disable arts, and i should be able to operate Wine in ALSA mode, in theory |
| 08:06.33 | EricBlade | right? |
| 08:06.33 | Acu | baggend: actually I might come to Scotland only for that - If I can get 20 people to do it we will be the kings ----- |
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| 08:06.34 | stoned | huh? |
| 08:06.34 | stoned | kde is non debian |
| 08:06.34 | baggend | I'm the 666th user in #debian... how cool is that... :) |
| 08:06.34 | Azar | stoned: !!! :) |
| 08:06.34 | stoned | what is the purpose of #debian-kde |
| 08:06.34 | stoned | !!?!?!?! huh?!?!? huh!! I thought so |
| 08:06.34 | stoned | Azar: whats up bro man dude homie bro |
| 08:06.34 | xoz | reading is still a better experience than watching video. |
| 08:06.35 | Azar | stoned: scroll up and read the story |
| 08:06.35 | stoned | I'm just chiming in |
| 08:06.35 | stoned | I just woke up, its 1:15am |
| 08:06.35 | Azar | stoned: just hanging here waiting for you... going to bed soon |
| 08:06.35 | stoned | went to bed at 7 |
| 08:07.06 | stoned | haha |
| 08:07.06 | baggend | tron----: Don't worry, haven't forgotten about you. Reading through your config now. |
| 08:07.06 | Acu | Azar: certainly you are using different version than I have - iceweasel is a firefox application, I run KDE - I thought all this integration of the Linux kernel together with KDE GNOME firefox etc make Debian - but maybe you can help me know what is Debian? |
| 08:07.06 | stoned | iceweasel is NOT a firefox application |
| 08:07.06 | stoned | firefox applications are called XUL appss |
| 08:07.06 | tron---- | hehe ok thanks =) |
| 08:07.07 | EricBlade | crap that doesn't seem to work |
| 08:07.07 | stoned | that iceweasel is not!! |
| 08:07.07 | Guerin | Acu: you're right, they are debian - but you need to recognise that debian has little control over them |
| 08:07.07 | Guerin | iceweasel IS firefox, for fuck's sakes |
| 08:07.07 | stoned | iceweasel is the name change, it is firefox codebase, slight modifications, slap a new label on |
| 08:07.07 | tron---- | iptables -L if that helps: http://nopaste.php-q.net/276098 |
| 08:07.07 | stoned | !iceweasel |
| 08:07.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 08:07.08 | Azar | Acu: it will be hard for you or anyone to find tutorials and howto or videos for applications used "with" the Debian-linux system. Any question or search for a howto on third party applications, the user finds them at the application-mommy-home page |
| 08:07.08 | EricBlade | ok no sound in wine fun |
| 08:07.08 | stoned | Guerin: dingleberry! |
| 08:07.09 | stoned | EricBlade: I got sound in wine |
| 08:07.09 | stoned | install libwine-alsa maybe? |
| 08:07.09 | stoned | I got gl acceleration in wine with games too |
| 08:07.09 | stoned | install libwine-gl |
| 08:07.10 | Guerin | !kiwismite stoned |
| 08:07.10 | stoned | I dislike kiwis |
| 08:07.10 | stoned | so .. mushy and weird |
| 08:07.10 | Guerin | it's cool |
| 08:07.10 | stoned | ew |
| 08:07.11 | EricBlade | i have that all installed, stoned, but i'm not getitng anything |
| 08:07.11 | Guerin | kiwis dislike USians |
| 08:07.11 | stoned | A see uns |
| 08:07.12 | stoned | You see uns |
| 08:07.12 | stoned | nationalist bastage |
| 08:07.12 | Guerin | stoned: is there going to be something about ice cream in this? |
| 08:07.12 | baggend | tron----: From what I can see, the config looks fine. But I'm not an iptables wizard so I could be wrong. Though I'm confused about why you have two 192.168.1 interfaces? |
| 08:07.13 | stoned | Guerin: anything for you brother |
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| 08:07.14 | baggend | EricBlade: I'm assuming there's some wine config file for managing sound, but I haven't used wine in about 4 years so I'm afraid I won't be much help on that front. |
| 08:07.14 | tron---- | well.. one is the network card for my internet and one is for my lan |
| 08:07.14 | stoned | well I mean |
| 08:07.14 | stoned | I got sound with wine |
| 08:07.14 | Azar | hehe |
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| 08:07.15 | stoned | maybe drugs just like me |
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| 08:07.15 | Azar | stoned: did you see the news last night? a huge midweast highway clogged with stalled vehicles. What a time to move you got man |
| 08:07.16 | EricBlade | baggend: looks like the latest wine jams everything into it's version of the registry |
| 08:07.16 | stoned | Azar: thats why I didn't move |
| 08:07.16 | stoned | yet |
| 08:07.16 | baggend | tron----: So eth1 is internal, and eth0 is external then? This isn't NECESSARILY the problem, but having both NICs on the same subnet is a Bad Idea. I'd suggest changing one of them to either 192.168.0 or something else. |
| 08:07.16 | stoned | gonna wait a week or two |
| 08:07.17 | EricBlade | i installed the wine-libalsa, and told it to use it in the config, but i'm not getting anything, and haven't the slightest idea how to debug it from there |
| 08:07.17 | Azar | yeah too darn nasty weather there for this kind of driving |
| 08:07.17 | tron---- | this is iptables -L -v http://nopaste.php-q.net/276099 |
| 08:07.18 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 08:07.18 | stoned | later |
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| 08:07.25 | baggend | EricBlade: Try using aplay to play a wav file. See if you get a device busy error or not. |
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| 08:07.25 | cahoot | yes | will do aplay |
| 08:07.26 | cahoot | err yes | aplay will do |
| 08:07.27 | baggend | tron----: Try changing which subnet either your internal or external interface is on. If you can, make the modem and external interface be 192.168.0, and leave your internal on 192.168.1. |
| 08:07.27 | EricBlade | oh hey sound worked when i loaded a different app |
| 08:07.27 | baggend | tron----: That's the only other thing that I can think of. |
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| 08:07.29 | baggend | EricBlade: Was it a native KDE app? That sound might be going through arts. |
| 08:07.29 | tron---- | ok thanks, i'll try this |
| 08:07.29 | EricBlade | baggend: no arts is disabled, it was a different wine app |
| 08:07.30 | EricBlade | the wine app lived long enough to play about 4 sounds then crashd |
| 08:07.30 | baggend | Hmm... that's strange... |
| 08:07.30 | baggend | But why do you have all these wine apps anyway? There are good native alternatives for 99% of the Windows programs I've ever used. |
| 08:07.31 | EricBlade | s/good// |
| 08:07.31 | EricBlade | :) |
| 08:07.31 | baggend | EricBlade: Name a few and I'll see if I agree. :) |
| 08:07.31 | EricBlade | i want to be able to use my poker site while in linux, preferably with sound, so i can tell when it's my turn if i'm working in another window |
| 08:07.31 | baggend | EricBlade: Does it use a Java applet, or is it ActiveX? |
| 08:07.31 | EricBlade | neither, it's a win32 app |
| 08:07.32 | baggend | EricBlade: Oh, it's a stand-alone program? |
| 08:07.32 | EricBlade | yes |
| 08:07.32 | baggend | EricBlade: Eew. |
| 08:07.32 | EricBlade | well, on the bright side, Xfire plays sound in wine, even with the arts running. unfortunatly, xfire doesn't do anything else in wine |
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| 08:07.33 | archonel | hi, can anyone help me regarding monit ? |
| 08:07.33 | EricBlade | so, the sound problems seem to be in something that cake poker is doing that wine isn't expecting |
| 08:07.33 | baggend | EricBlade: Hmm... yeah, that's what it sounds like to me. But I know next to nothing about wine nowadays so I don't know if I'll be able to help you with that part of it. |
| 08:07.33 | haggz | ericblade: something makes me think the programmers of online poker software rarely double check their code for compliance with windows API best practices :-/ |
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| 08:07.34 | baggend | archonel: Just ask your question. If anyone knows the answer they'll answer. |
| 08:07.34 | haggz | no offense to any online poker software developers who might happen to be here in the channel |
| 08:07.34 | EricBlade | haggz: true, i used to play several in wine, though that worked fine .. and this one did have sound once, i'm not sure what happened |
| 08:07.35 | archonel | baggend, i managed to set monit to mail me if a connection to a host id down, can it be set to alert if a connection is up ? |
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| 08:07.36 | EricBlade | people in #winehq are rarely helpful at all, and wine has changed drastically since most faqs, docs, and howtos were written |
| 08:07.36 | baggend | haggz: I think online poker software developers are a small notch above professional spammers, so I don't think they'd care much either way. :) |
| 08:07.37 | EricBlade | alright, so next on the video.. do i have DRI working |
| 08:07.37 | baggend | EricBlade: I don't know, do you? :) |
| 08:07.37 | EricBlade | or do i need DRI with nvidia |
| 08:07.37 | baggend | EricBlade: If you have an nvidia board you're pretty much all set to go. In my experience they're the easiest to get working. |
| 08:07.38 | EricBlade | baggend: lol, if that was easy i'd hate to see difficult |
| 08:07.38 | baggend | EricBlade: 'm-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source; apt-get install nvidia-glx' Doesn't get much easier. :) |
| 08:07.38 | EricBlade | i had to install in text-mode, get the kernel source all setup, make a kernel, and then install the nvidia drivers |
| 08:07.39 | baggend | EricBlade: Do you want to use a custom kernel, or did you just do it because of the video drivers? |
| 08:07.39 | EricBlade | just did it because the video drivers refused to install without it |
| 08:07.39 | EricBlade | i actually need to use a non-custom kernel because i have another binary driver that i'd like to use for a network device |
| 08:07.39 | baggend | EricBlade: Which kernel version did you have installed previously? |
| 08:07.40 | EricBlade | whatever etch installed with |
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| 08:07.40 | mrynit | how can i add fonts to gnome? |
| 08:07.40 | mrynit | ~fonts |
| 08:08.13 | apt | from memory, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html for installing packaged as well as not packaged truetype fonts, http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html and you can get the MS core fonts from http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ now |
| 08:08.13 | mrynit | !fonts |
| 08:08.13 | dpkg | hmm... fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis |
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| 08:08.13 | baggend | EricBlade: Install 2.6.18 or later from Debian, install module-assistant, and then just do 'm-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source' followed by 'apt-get install nvidia-glx'. Then just check your xorg.conf to make sure that you're using 'nvidia' instead of 'nv' and you should be up and running. |
| 08:08.14 | baggend | module-assistant will take care of any other dependencies that might be involved |
| 08:08.14 | EricBlade | oh, sweet, ximeta released a universal driver |
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| 08:08.15 | EricBlade | oh balls, it requires converting the tar.gz to an rpm then to a deb .. wtf |
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| 08:08.15 | archonel | i managed to set monit to mail me if a connection to a host id down, can it be set to alert if a connection is up ? |
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| 08:08.16 | valdyn | mrparanoid: ~/.fonts/ |
| 08:08.17 | valdyn | ops |
| 08:08.17 | archonel | any hints or maby another tool that can do this ? |
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| 08:08.18 | baggend | archonel: Are you just testing to see if a particular machine is accessible? |
| 08:08.19 | archonel | yes |
| 08:08.19 | archonel | port 80 |
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| 08:08.20 | baggend | I've been using nagios for that for a few years now and it does everything I need it to do. I've never used monit. |
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| 08:08.20 | archonel | aham and it can tell u if a machine is up ? |
| 08:08.20 | EricBlade | damn, their driver apparently doesn't work |
| 08:08.21 | baggend | Yup, you can set it to notify you when a machine goes down, and then again when it comes back up. Or you can have it constantly email you while it's up, though that's kind useless. :) |
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| 08:08.21 | EricBlade | wait, if i install a new block driver odule, should it automatically take care of the /dev entry ? |
| 08:08.22 | baggend | EricBlade: yup |
| 08:08.22 | baggend | Well, assumin you have udev installed |
| 08:08.23 | EricBlade | i would presume that's something that functions in etch ? |
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| 08:08.23 | baggend | yup |
| 08:08.23 | EricBlade | udev was new and not working well last i used debian |
| 08:08.23 | valdyn | EricBlade: it works fine |
| 08:08.23 | EricBlade | hm, damn. this driver is showing up its stuff in /proc, but not in /dev |
| 08:08.24 | valdyn | EricBlade: so make the nodes yourself |
| 08:08.24 | baggend | EricBlade: What kind of a device is it? External storage of some sort? |
| 08:08.24 | EricBlade | i don't know what numbers it needs, and i'm not real hip on trying to read the source |
| 08:08.24 | EricBlade | yeah, it's a ximeta network disk |
| 08:08.24 | valdyn | EricBlade: so read the documentation |
| 08:08.26 | valdyn | EricBlade: why would a network disk have a device node? |
| 08:08.28 | EricBlade | valdyn: i read the docs, they aren't useful :P it is attached as a block device, since it doesn't use tcp/ip |
| 08:08.29 | valdyn | EricBlade: some docs maybe, not THE docs to create your missing device node |
| 08:08.30 | valdyn | EricBlade: which product is this asbout exactly? |
| 08:08.30 | EricBlade | valdyn: http://ximeta.com/products/ndenclosure1_en.php |
| 08:08.31 | valdyn | !usb storage |
| 08:08.31 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
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| 08:09.13 | baggend | Wow... looks like the netdisk portable supports both "mirrroring" and "stripping"... so it'll take it's clothes off AND store your data! Wow! |
| 08:09.44 | EricBlade | maybe they need to turn down the speed of their keyboard repeat :) |
| 08:09.56 | valdyn | EricBlade: i get 'The requested document was not found on this server.' on their download center, but you shouldnt need a special driver for usb storage anyway |
| 08:10.30 | EricBlade | valdyn: it's attached via ethernet not usb |
| 08:11.02 | EricBlade | oh hooray, a mknod on it worked |
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| 08:11.40 | Ex0` | easiest way to remove a ata password from a hdd? (previously in an modded xbox hdd) |
| 08:11.57 | valdyn | Ex0`: you know the password? |
| 08:12.01 | EricBlade | ex0: i think there are several programs out there that will do that |
| 08:12.13 | Ex0` | no i dont know the pw |
| 08:12.22 | Ex0` | i been tryin for couple of hours |
| 08:12.32 | valdyn | Ex0`: get a new drive then, afaik |
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| 08:12.55 | EricBlade | bah it reads the existence of the disk, but wont let me enable it |
| 08:14.20 | valdyn | EricBlade: it so doesnt make sense that they would not simply use cifs for this |
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| 08:15.27 | baggend | valdyn: Well, while I'm not defending this particular device, there are about a million reasons for NOT using cifs for NAS, performance being only one of them. |
| 08:16.03 | Guerin | Ex0`: i recommend fdisk |
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| 08:16.53 | EricBlade | baggend: the performance on this device is incredible, i almost wish i had gigabit ethernet for it |
| 08:17.25 | EricBlade | oh well, back to the video thing. how to test for DRI.. hmm |
| 08:18.11 | baggend | EricBlade: You don't need to test for DRI. If you can get the nvidia drivers installed and going, and can get into X, you have pretty much full acceleration. In my experience, the nvidia drivers are all or nothing. |
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| 08:18.50 | EricBlade | well, you'd think |
| 08:19.01 | EricBlade | but i just ran stellarium, and it's giving me 0.2fps |
| 08:19.39 | baggend | Well, lets start with the obvious. Check your xorg.conf and make sure you're using 'nvidia' instead of 'nv'. Then make sure that nvidia-glx is installed. |
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| 08:20.22 | mouse_ | hi |
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| 08:22.17 | metrics | EricBlade: Run glxinfo and check if you have direct rendering yes at the top of the output. |
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| 08:23.23 | EricBlade | well thats a bit better |
| 08:23.23 | metrics | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.32 | EricBlade | i don't have glxinfo |
| 08:23.52 | metrics | It's in mesa-utils. |
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| 08:24.45 | EricBlade | well i restarted X after installing nvidia-glx, and now stellarium segfaults on startup woot |
| 08:25.12 | valdyn | !nvidia drivers |
| 08:25.13 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia-howto was http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ for complete instructions on installing the nVidia drivers "The Debian Way" on Sarge or Etch. Ask me about nvidia-graphics-drivers as well. |
| 08:25.25 | metrics | EricBlade: Can you run glxinfo for me? |
| 08:25.43 | EricBlade | sure, soon as i have it |
| 08:26.03 | EricBlade | segmentation fault |
| 08:26.15 | metrics | What? When running glxinfo? |
| 08:26.16 | baggend | Wait, glxinfo segfaults? |
| 08:26.22 | EricBlade | ya |
| 08:26.43 | metrics | Hmmm...how did you install the drivers? |
| 08:27.01 | EricBlade | originally i had picked up some package from nvidia and ran it |
| 08:27.36 | metrics | And then? |
| 08:28.09 | EricBlade | and then i started X and it worked, instead of crashing my machine like it did before :) |
| 08:29.00 | baggend | EricBlade: Is this still with the custom kernel? |
| 08:29.03 | EricBlade | yes |
| 08:29.12 | EricBlade | could this be something that enabling Composite would cause? |
| 08:29.19 | metrics | I recommend you uninstall the package from nvidia, and follow the HOWTO. |
| 08:30.30 | baggend | I second that. With module-assistant it's actually EASIER to do it the Debian way than to use the Nvidia-supplied installer. |
| 08:30.37 | EricBlade | I have tried to follow several HOWTOs, but as far as I can tell, there's nothing in Debian that actually works. |
| 08:31.03 | EricBlade | at least without changing lots of things to get it working |
| 08:31.08 | baggend | Shh... don't tell my computer that... it's been working fine for months. :) |
| 08:31.16 | metrics | ditto. |
| 08:31.18 | metrics | In fact. |
| 08:31.21 | metrics | a year. |
| 08:31.25 | metrics | With numerous upgrades. |
| 08:31.51 | baggend | 00:31:38 up 110 days, 8:55, 6 users, load average: 0.15, 0.15, 0.07 |
| 09:23.30 | baggend | Hmm... methinks he's not happy. |
| 09:23.31 | baggend | Either that or he just reinstalled his kernel. |
| 09:23.31 | metrics | Bah. |
| 09:23.31 | metrics | And I just typed out a freaking novel. |
| 09:23.31 | baggend | Keep it in the clipboard in case he comes back :) |
| 09:23.31 | metrics | I did :) |
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| 09:23.31 | baggend | hehe :) |
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| 09:23.32 | metrics | Actually, it's on an xpad...one of the most useful utilities ever. |
| 09:23.32 | baggend | xpad? Lemme look it up. |
| 09:23.34 | metrics | It's good when bound to a shortcut key. |
| 09:23.34 | baggend | Ah, one of the many post-it programs out there. I have to admit I've never had much use for them. But that's usually because I hardly ever see my desktop. :) |
| 09:23.36 | baggend | Well, I should get back to work. Sadly, bills don't pay themselves, and programs don't write themselves. If EricBlade comes back just say my name a few times to make xchat beep at me. I'd really like to get him up and running if I can. It's so nice to have a working Debian system. Wish everyone had one. |
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| 09:23.40 | ixrp | anyone knows the name of the famous rock song that begins with chan...chan.chan.chan... yo know?= |
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| 09:23.41 | pingouin | wrong window band |
| 09:23.43 | ixrp | pingouin: xd, ok thanks. |
| 09:23.44 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
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| 09:23.47 | EricBlade | ok, i reinstalled the nvidia package, and now i seem to be ok :) |
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| 09:23.50 | EricBlade | apparently clicking inside a window to bring it forward doesn't work with composite enabled :( |
| 09:23.50 | metrics | I wrote this for you before. |
| 09:23.50 | metrics | EricBlade: Install nvidia-kernel-source and when you build your custom kernel the debian way, just use modules_image as one of the command arguments, then install all the debs. |
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| 09:23.51 | hlpwfuse | hi there's something that draws system info as text on the desktop? |
| 09:23.52 | metrics | torsmo... |
| 09:23.53 | metrics | but that's discontinued i think. |
| 09:23.53 | EricBlade | i think i'll take "sh nvidia-driverpackage.sh" hit enter a few times, and done, over "the debian way" |
| 09:23.53 | metrics | Google that and you'll find the new one. |
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| 09:23.54 | metrics | Except then you pollute your system, and have a bunch of problems with X libs when things change. |
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| 09:24.12 | baggend | EricBlade: Hey, you're back. So everything working now? |
| 09:24.13 | EricBlade | seems to be |
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| 09:24.13 | baggend | EricBlade: Now, if you're feeling adventurous you can try for compiz or beryl to make full use of your newly-working video card. :) |
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| 09:24.14 | EricBlade | so i can sacrifice all of my nice system performance to do with 7MHz amigas did 22 years ago? |
| 09:24.14 | EricBlade | s/with/what |
| 09:24.14 | EricBlade | :) |
| 09:24.14 | baggend | I never saw an Amiga turn your desktop into a 3D cube. :) |
| 09:24.15 | EricBlade | not only could it do it, it could do it in multiple resolutions simultaneously :D |
| 09:24.15 | diskus | that 3D cube is useless feature |
| 09:24.16 | baggend | diskus: Yeah, but it's the one that gets people's attention the most quickly. By far the best thing for me is transparent windows and exposé. Those two really do make a difference for me. |
| 09:24.16 | diskus | I think this compiz/beryl thing is mostly usefull when showing Linux to people who don't know what it is :P |
| 09:24.17 | EricBlade | beautiful, the sound went back to non-functioning |
| 09:24.17 | EricBlade | oh this time it picked up the SB as device 0 instead of 1 |
| 09:24.17 | baggend | Oh, it's a great selling point to get people to try Linux. :) Though I used compiz for about 4 months, and then beryl for the last month and a half or so, and I can't imagine life without it. Some of the features are genuinely useful. |
| 09:24.19 | baggend | EricBlade: You'll probably want to get your asoundrc set up then. If the device ID's keep changing with each reboot you're going to have a real headache trying to deal with them on the module level. |
| 09:24.21 | EricBlade | the documentation for asoundrc is useless |
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| 09:24.24 | baggend | Yeah, it kinda is... :) Here's a sample one for you. This SHOULD work. (Though I just typed it from memory so don't hold me to it.:) |
| 09:24.24 | baggend | http://pastie.caboo.se/40997 |
| 09:24.25 | EricBlade | the docs specifically say that that doesn't do anything |
| 09:24.26 | EricBlade | "The keyword default ... will always access hw:0,0" |
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| 09:24.27 | baggend | Like hell it will. My syntax might be a bit off, but it most certainly is possible for !default to refer to something other than hw:0,0 |
| 09:24.27 | baggend | My working asoundrc at the moment has !default pointing to pulse and it works just fine. |
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| 09:24.29 | baggend | Though, as you said, the docs are largely useless. They're more of a "guideline". :) |
| 09:24.29 | EricBlade | i figured that the docs didn't mean what it said |
| 09:24.29 | EricBlade | ok that seems to be working now too |
| 09:24.29 | EricBlade | my last thing is , then.. is there a way to get 'click to bring window forward' to work while transparent windows are enabled |
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| 09:24.30 | baggend | Which WM are you using? |
| 09:24.30 | EricBlade | kde |
| 09:24.31 | hatter | anyone know of a nice gui backup program for tapes on etch ? customer is about to have win2k server removed, replaced with etch, but i need an easy way for the user to see the tape backups |
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| 09:24.31 | baggend | Oh, that's right... hmm... well... I don't know... I've used KDE a total of about 30 minutes in my life I'm afraid. |
| 09:24.31 | EricBlade | i can't even figure out where the hell i turned on transparency at |
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| 09:24.32 | EricBlade | there it is.. and turning it off again makes the windows come to the front as normal |
| 09:24.32 | baggend | hatter: apt-cache search backup gui |
| 09:24.32 | baggend | hatter: bacula looks promising, though I've never used it. |
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| 09:24.34 | EricBlade | ok, so which is "better" beryl or compiz :D |
| 09:24.34 | hatter | baggend: thx, didnt think to ask apt cache |
| 09:24.35 | hatter | i havent used bacula either, but it has been around for awhile |
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| 09:24.52 | baggend | EricBlade: Well, I switched from compiz to beryl, and I'm happy. Beryl seems to be more polished and more actively developed. Though compiz is already packaged for Debian and I don't think the beryl packages have been accepted into experimental yet. |
| 09:24.54 | EricBlade | my desire to mess with source right now is not so much, so i think i'll just not mess with that for now. maybe next time i boot linux |
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| 09:24.55 | EricBlade | no beryl in the current etch, and it looks like compiz uses gnome pretty heavily |
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| 09:24.57 | EricBlade | well my poker game plays considerably faster video wise, not real fast still .. and sound doesn't work still.. :-S anyway, till next time.. have fun :) |
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| 09:24.57 | EricBlade | thank you all so much |
| 09:24.58 | tzafrir_laptop | hmm... it's limited to just 4 desktops. bad |
| 09:24.59 | baggend | tzafrir_laptop: Beryl? |
| 09:24.59 | grummund | hi, does anyone here have linksys WPC11 v3 PCMCIA card working? |
| 09:25.00 | tzafrir_laptop | I haven't installed it. Only saw it with friends |
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| 09:25.01 | tzafrir_laptop | baggend, I guess both |
| 09:25.01 | baggend | tzafrir_laptop: You can only have 4 desktops with the cube layout, but with plane you can have as many as you want. In both compiz and beryl. |
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| 09:25.06 | baggend | And while the cube does look cool, there's really no FUNCTIONAL reason to use it over the plane layout. |
| 09:25.06 | hlpwfuse | hi, what's require for "Force Active opacity #" feature (Alt-F3) |
| 09:25.07 | tzafrir_laptop | Also: any idea how much video card memory does a standard full-screen window uses? |
| 09:25.20 | tzafrir_laptop | All my background windows normally reside in the swap when the're dire need for memory, and I can wake them up after a day or two. But from what I understand, aiglx has to keep all the windows in memory |
| 09:25.26 | baggend | tzafrir_laptop: No idea. Though I've run it on a 64 mb card with no slowdown. |
| 09:25.37 | tzafrir_laptop | But how many windows? |
| 09:25.53 | baggend | I've had about a dozen open at once. |
| 09:25.54 | tzafrir_laptop | I saw some reports of noticable slowdows with 9-10 windows or so open |
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| 09:26.31 | tzafrir_laptop | which card? |
| 09:26.45 | baggend | The only thing that causes noticeable slowdown on low-memory cards is the water effect, which is really useless. |
| 09:26.59 | baggend | It was an Nvidia GeForce... 6800 I believe? |
| 09:27.22 | baggend | I don't remember the exact model number. I got it $20. |
| 09:27.44 | tzafrir_laptop | well, I don't consider nvidia for now. Bad drivers |
| 09:28.20 | baggend | Their drivers do need a little bit of work, but in my experience they work MUCH better than ATI's. |
| 09:29.03 | hlpwfuse | why my mmc card reader works fine on kernel 2.6.8-2 but sg_scan -i returns nothing on kernel 2.6.18-1 ? |
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| 09:30.01 | tzafrir_laptop | baggend, I meant nv, not nvidia. I don't intend to install nvidia: too much of noise to add to my system |
| 09:30.33 | baggend | tzafrir_laptop: Ah, ok. Well, using nv you're not going to be able to run compiz or beryl, so you don't have to worry much about it. :) |
| 09:31.11 | tzafrir_laptop | hlpwfuse, how is that card reader connected? |
| 09:31.31 | tzafrir_laptop | do you se it on lsusb/lspci ? |
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| 09:31.53 | tzafrir_laptop | ah, ok |
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| 09:34.13 | hlpwfuse | usb |
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| 09:34.16 | Kalamansi | Hello |
| 09:34.23 | hlpwfuse | yes |
| 09:34.45 | hlpwfuse | lsusb Bus 001 Device 004: ID 07c4:a604 Datafab Systems, Inc. |
| 09:35.32 | hlpwfuse | lsscsi says 3 times disk Generic STORAGE DEVICE 9321 |
| 09:35.46 | Kalamansi | Im a windows user.I havent start linux or other opensource.What type of folder here http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/bo/ that i will download? I want to install debian. |
| 09:35.53 | hlpwfuse | (cuz this reader has 3 "ports" for different mmc types) |
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| 09:36.19 | hlpwfuse | may the new kernel lacks something ? |
| 09:37.04 | hlpwfuse | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:37.39 | tzafrir_laptop | Kalamansi, bo is a really ancient version of Debian (you know, even older than XP) |
| 09:38.20 | tzafrir_laptop | Kalamansi, At this point look for "stable" (Sarge) or perhaps better: testing (Etch) |
| 09:38.56 | Kalamansi | hlpwfuse:I dont get it sir. |
| 09:39.10 | Kalamansi | hlpwfuse: There is 6 folders there in http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/bo/ |
| 09:39.11 | tzafrir_laptop | ~wiki live cd |
| 09:39.21 | Kalamansi | I dont know wheres the live-cd there |
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| 09:40.03 | hark | Kalamansi: do you want the installer or a live cd? |
| 09:40.04 | Kalamansi | Theres 6 folders there http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/bo/ |
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| 09:40.14 | Kalamansi | hark:First Live-CD |
| 09:40.23 | hark | !livecd |
| 09:40.23 | dpkg | livecd is, like, an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 09:40.25 | Kalamansi | hark: I think ill go for Live-CD |
| 09:40.42 | hlpwfuse | Kalamansi> ;) |
| 09:41.07 | hark | it's not really official, maybe try the installer in a VM say |
| 09:41.15 | Kalamansi | VM? |
| 09:41.21 | Kalamansi | Im noob sir.... |
| 09:41.23 | hlpwfuse | VMWare |
| 09:41.28 | tzafrir_laptop | Kalamansi, for the current debian installer, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:41.29 | hlpwfuse | (Virtualization) |
| 09:42.27 | hark | !tell Kalamansi -about grounding |
| 09:43.13 | Kalamansi | !tell Kalamansi - "unix lessons" |
| 09:43.24 | Kalamansi | !tell Kalamansi - unix lessons |
| 09:43.41 | Kalamansi | !tell Kalamansi -docs |
| 09:43.46 | hark | !msg the bot |
| 09:43.46 | dpkg | i heard msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 09:45.15 | Kalamansi | hark:Where can i get VM?And then Live-Cd |
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| 09:46.15 | Kalamansi | Theres no linux group in my area (Davao City,Philippines) |
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| 09:46.42 | hlpwfuse | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.54 | hlpwfuse | or just download the iso and burn |
| 09:46.58 | Kalamansi | hlpwfuse:Is it good for windows98 sir? |
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| 09:47.15 | hlpwfuse | dunno |
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| 09:47.22 | hlpwfuse | then prefer the iso |
| 09:47.24 | hark | Kalamansi: you got the link from the bot already for the livecd |
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| 09:48.02 | hark | no need for a VM if you're going to try out a live cd... |
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| 09:48.35 | Kalamansi | hark:I dont see any link sir: |
| 09:48.37 | Kalamansi | <dpkg> hark wants you to know: Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 09:49.00 | hark | !tell Kalamansi -about livecd |
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| 09:50.20 | hark | Kalamansi: try one from here.. http://live.debian.net/weekly-builds/current/i386/ |
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| 09:52.02 | Kalamansi` | Sorry dialup problem |
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| 09:52.36 | hark | if you're on dialup, it's going to be tough downloading stuff to try |
| 09:52.54 | Kalamansi | Oh =/ |
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| 09:53.50 | hark | sure you can wait a while.. to download a cd worth of content |
| 09:54.11 | Kalamansi | http://live.debian.net/weekly-builds/current/i386/ - all this 9 files ill download it and burn in one cd? |
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| 09:54.33 | hlpwfuse | no |
| 09:55.03 | hark | download one with your choice of DE (Gnome/KDE/XFCE) |
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| 09:55.58 | Kalamansi | hark:What do you think that best for me here sir? |
| 09:56.21 | hlpwfuse | Kalamansi - practically: windows has one proprietary desktop manager (explorer), and a 3rd party- litestep -- linux has many |
| 09:56.30 | hark | !desktop |
| 09:56.30 | dpkg | it has been said that desktop is see http://xwinman.org/ |
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| 09:57.33 | valdyn | Kalamansi: try all 3? |
| 09:57.35 | Kalamansi | hark: ill choice this http://live.debian.net/weekly-builds/current/i386/debian-live-etch-i386-xfce-desktop.iso |
| 09:57.40 | valdyn | Kalamansi: its a matter of taste |
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| 09:57.41 | hark | Kalamansi: don't know. pick one or look at xwinman.org and stop calling me sir! |
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| 09:58.11 | Ubuh-Hunt | which is more stable (secured) postfix, qmail? |
| 09:58.18 | Kalamansi | valdyn: Try all 3 and burn in one cd?Or one by one? |
| 09:58.24 | hark | !start a mta war |
| 09:58.24 | dpkg | smail is a spam magnet |
| 09:58.26 | valdyn | Kalamansi: gnome and kde are the 2 biggest and most popular, xfce isnt to far off i guess, targetting less powerful systems |
| 09:58.35 | valdyn | Kalamansi: each on its own cd |
| 09:58.54 | Kalamansi | Okay Gnome and KDE |
| 09:59.13 | hark | Kalamansi: or maybe get a DVD of Debian from ebay or your local alternative... |
| 09:59.39 | Garda | http://www.theage.com.au/news/home-theatre/hooray-for-bluray/2007/02/15/1171405337968.html?s_cid=rss_technology |
| 09:59.48 | Kalamansi | hark: I dont have creditcard sir.Im just a high school student.Our school use windows98. |
| 09:59.49 | Garda | blu ray set to win in .au |
| 09:59.53 | rexpretor | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 10:00.54 | valdyn | Kalamansi: and just a hint, don't go by the looks of each DE, as each can be configured to look like the other. |
| 10:00.57 | Kalamansi | Oh shit |
| 10:01.03 | Kalamansi | 500+MB? |
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| 10:01.08 | Kalamansi | I thought it was 10MB |
| 10:01.12 | Garda | are blu ray and hddvd both going to die out |
| 10:01.15 | hark | Kalamansi: no linux mags you can get? .. you can download them but again, it's dialup |
| 10:01.24 | Kalamansi | Someone from gentoo refer me this sire http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/bo/ |
| 10:01.25 | Garda | that way leaving neither as viable replacements to dvd |
| 10:01.28 | valdyn | Kalamansi: that's really not much for a complete OS |
| 10:01.31 | hark | !bo |
| 10:01.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
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| 10:01.48 | frafra | hi all. I've a shared server in my network (it uses windows), and I would like to crack it using samba. is it possible? |
| 10:01.50 | Garda | who wants to watch movies that have been DRMed to hell |
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| 10:02.13 | valdyn | Garda: its cracked, so who cares? |
| 10:02.35 | Garda | true! |
| 10:02.47 | Kalamansi | =/ 41 hours for debian-live-etch-i386-gnome-desktop.iso |
| 10:02.49 | valdyn | Garda: at least in countries where cracking copy protection isnt illigal, which is most of the world |
| 10:02.53 | Kalamansi | I think ill quit |
| 10:03.03 | Kalamansi | Thanks anyways |
| 10:03.11 | Kalamansi | Big thanks |
| 10:03.13 | Garda | but i don't think that i should have to become a criminal just to watch movies |
| 10:03.30 | hark | Kalamansi: in windows atleast you can play around with colinux or cygwin. |
| 10:03.46 | baggend | frafra: Samba is for sharing files with others. It won't help you get files that you shouldn't have access to. |
| 10:03.53 | valdyn | Garda: uh, criminal goes even further. Civil offense != crime |
| 10:04.03 | Trewas | bluray and hddvd and not _completely_ cracked, they can make all new disks so that they can't be decrypted with the keys which were found |
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| 10:04.27 | valdyn | Trewas: no, thats old news |
| 10:04.37 | valdyn | Trewas: let me dig that up though... |
| 10:04.39 | Kalamansi | Anybody here from philippines whos willing to send free shipping cd of debian please?Send here in davao |
| 10:04.49 | frafra | is my network... My friend says that is very unsecure to share files with windows and it's simple to crack them.... I would like to crack my network.... somebody know how to do it? |
| 10:05.06 | baggend | Kalamansi: I'm not sure if they're still doing it, but Ubuntu used to ship free CD's to people. |
| 10:05.20 | hark | which might take ages.. |
| 10:05.48 | nick255 | how can I assign extra addresses to loopback in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 10:05.54 | baggend | frafra: If it's your network, feel free to break into it. If you're looking for information on how to do it, you'll have to figure that out on your own. |
| 10:06.20 | Kalamansi | hark:Do you think 386 kbp/s dsl connection can handle this iso`s? |
| 10:06.35 | frafra | ok baggend |
| 10:06.36 | Kalamansi | hark: But its too expensive here (dsl) |
| 10:06.37 | frafra | thanks |
| 10:07.11 | Kalamansi | Around 30 dollars per month |
| 10:07.32 | hark | Kalamansi: for dialup are you charged per minute? |
| 10:07.37 | Trewas | valdyn: first they found a way to get the disk's keys by looking at the memory while playing with windvd, then they found the key of some software player so all current disks can be decrypted with it, but that key can be revoked... I don't know of other cracks |
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| 10:08.26 | szachista | hi |
| 10:08.26 | valdyn | Trewas: yea, you're right |
| 10:08.26 | valdyn | Trewas: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070213-8837.html |
| 10:08.26 | szachista | is it possibe to have aiglx on nvidia-legacy drivers? |
| 10:08.26 | Kalamansi | hark:Yes.30 pesos per hour. Its like 1 dollar |
| 10:09.05 | Kalamansi | hark:And if you download software they will add 10 pesos per hour so it will be 40 pesos. |
| 10:09.09 | hark | Kalamansi: sucks.. a dollar per hour for dialup, heh. |
| 10:09.22 | valdyn | frafra: social engeneering is still one of the best methods, so ask someone who knows your network's passwords etc ;) |
| 10:09.25 | Kalamansi | They add 2.5 speed of your 3 |
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| 10:09.47 | Kalamansi | So its 5.5 kbp/s speed |
| 10:09.51 | Kalamansi | Of download |
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| 10:10.26 | hark | huh |
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| 10:10.48 | valdyn | Kalamansi: it cant be hard to get a complete debian cd in your country |
| 10:10.54 | valdyn | Kalamansi: for very few money |
| 10:11.36 | Kalamansi | Yes =/ |
| 10:11.42 | |capiira | hi, is that normal that kde have a few refresh issues or a strange way to refresh windows? |
| 10:11.58 | hark | Kalamansi: best bet is to get a Sarge (stable) DVD somehow and try it out. There will be minor updates atleast, and should be possible via dialup for you easily |
| 10:12.39 | Kalamansi | Ok im saving it |
| 10:12.46 | valdyn | |capiira: no |
| 10:12.48 | |capiira | sometimes the icons on the desktop flickers or when i move a window over the icon then they disappear for short time |
| 10:12.54 | scanf | how can I scale an a4 document to print entirely on a size A6 card? |
| 10:12.59 | hark | it will be supported for a year after etch releases AFAIK (which is going to take a while of course) |
| 10:13.05 | scanf | gedit? |
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| 10:13.08 | valdyn | scanf: with mpage |
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| 10:13.28 | valdyn | scanf: gedit? what kind of document is this? |
| 10:13.34 | Kalamansi | hark: Same sarge site here http://live.debian.net/weekly-builds/current/i386/ ? |
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| 10:13.53 | Kalamansi | I dont have dvd. Just CDROM |
| 10:14.05 | hark | 14 cds then! |
| 10:14.13 | Kalamansi | Oh shit... |
| 10:14.19 | scanf | valdyn, all: any kind of text document (word/pdf can be made to text) or openoffice document for that matter |
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| 10:14.26 | xingu | Kalamansi: try linux.org.ph |
| 10:14.27 | Kalamansi | Whats the site? Same as http://live.debian.net/weekly-builds/current/i386/ ? |
| 10:14.34 | hark | Kalamansi: it's up to you. Get a live cd or something. easier |
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| 10:14.56 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.58 | xingu | Kalamansi: I bet they can put you in touch with someone who has a cd set to copy |
| 10:15.06 | |capiira | thx bbl |
| 10:15.10 | Kalamansi | xingu: I did try email them 4 times.No replies from them. Maybe my state is too far from the thier spots. |
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| 10:15.15 | scanf | I don't see any desktop print options to "scale printing" toa smaller/larger papersize like some have in windows |
| 10:15.27 | xingu | fair do |
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| 10:15.51 | Kalamansi | xingu: Its been 2 months now. Still no reply |
| 10:16.02 | nick255 | how can I do this with /etc/network/interfaces: ifconfig lo inet6 add 2001:470:1f01:3324::1/120 ? |
| 10:16.12 | valdyn | scanf: gedit cant do this, you can add a printer supporting this paper size though |
| 10:16.22 | valdyn | scanf: 1 printer queue per paper size |
| 10:16.22 | nick255 | The manpage doesn't say anything about adding addresses to loopback |
| 10:16.41 | scanf | ehhhHHHH? |
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| 10:16.49 | Kalamansi | I think i have to stay with my win95 and win98. |
| 10:16.53 | valdyn | scanf: what's wrong about it? |
| 10:17.01 | xingu | Kalamansi: how about uplug.org? |
| 10:17.16 | scanf | the solution speaks for itself, as in totally *** |
| 10:17.24 | Kalamansi | Ok ill try uplug.org |
| 10:17.27 | Kalamansi | Thanks |
| 10:17.28 | valdyn | scanf: thats a fine way |
| 10:17.37 | xingu | yuck! global scope addresses on loopback |
| 10:17.52 | scanf | I don't need 50 print queues on OS/X |
| 10:17.59 | valdyn | scanf: so? |
| 10:18.01 | scanf | or windoze for that matter |
| 10:18.02 | hark | Kalamansi: where in .ph are you? |
| 10:18.05 | Kalamansi | xingu ill email them |
| 10:18.10 | valdyn | scanf: is picking a printer any harder than selecting a papersize? |
| 10:18.13 | Kalamansi | hark: Davao City |
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| 10:18.32 | valdyn | scanf: ill answer that myself: it is not |
| 10:18.44 | scanf | for my wife (who has to use this box, too) itvery definitely IS confusing |
| 10:18.48 | Kalamansi | hark: 2.5 days to travel Manila (Central) |
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| 10:18.52 | scanf | and I woudl agree with her |
| 10:18.57 | scanf | its not a solution |
| 10:19.02 | scanf | its a kludge |
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| 10:19.17 | xingu | Kalamansi: can appreciate your problem; but until the infrastructure is built out the best way to deal with the circumstance will be a long-distance city-city relationship with a "local" user group |
| 10:19.17 | boodie | what's a kludge? |
| 10:19.27 | scanf | something that other OSes could do years ago |
| 10:19.35 | scanf | with ONE queue |
| 10:19.36 | valdyn | scanf: hmm, gedit in gnome 2.16 does support picking aper size explicitely |
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| 10:19.50 | jtgans | boodie: a kludge is another name for an "ugly workaround to a problem" |
| 10:19.55 | valdyn | scanf: use windows if you just want to complain, no need to do it here |
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| 10:20.47 | hark | Kalamansi: --> http://www.dabawegnu.org/ ? |
| 10:20.48 | xingu | Kalamansi: the central problem is that until the telecoms infrastructure is present you will need to cluster with other regional users to spread the costs - and universities are usually a good place to start; quite frequently the isp's themselves are kicked off from the more active types in university user groups |
| 10:21.03 | baggend | nick255: Have you tried "iface lo inet loopback \n address abcd:whatever:whatever" |
| 10:21.13 | Kalamansi | hark: Ok ill take a look |
| 10:21.36 | nick255 | baggend: no, i will. thanks |
| 10:21.48 | hlpwfuse | why my mmc card reader works fine on kernel 2.6.8-2 but sg_scan -i returns nothing on kernel 2.6.18-1 ? |
| 10:21.48 | Kalamansi | xingu:My school use windows98.And windows2k server. |
| 10:21.57 | valdyn | scanf: looks like gnome 2.14 supports this too, what are you using? |
| 10:22.14 | Kalamansi | xingu: They blockd downloads |
| 10:22.30 | scanf | valdyn: kde 3.4 sarge stable |
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| 10:22.32 | chemaja | i want to determine if letting skype add a file in /etc/dbus-1/systemd./ |
| 10:22.39 | chemaja | ...(is a bad idea) |
| 10:22.42 | scanf | some backports |
| 10:22.44 | doomster | I'm looking for a live CD to run on a PPC-based mac mini, any suggestions? |
| 10:22.48 | baggend | nick255: Typo on my part. Change the inet to inet6. |
| 10:22.49 | xingu | Kalamansi: you're just 5-10y too early :) |
| 10:22.55 | Kalamansi | xingu: Even internet cafes (win98) here they dont allow downloads. |
| 10:23.16 | xingu | Kalamansi: on the plus side if you do persist you'll have a good entry into a career in telecoms. :) |
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| 10:23.50 | valdyn | scanf: kde supports this too |
| 10:23.55 | valdyn | scanf: you aren't finding it? |
| 10:24.23 | valdyn | scanf: ( using konqueror atm, i don't use kde normally though ) |
| 10:24.40 | hark | Kalamansi: you've not looked hard enough |
| 10:25.22 | Kalamansi | hark: ill email them now =) thanks alot. =) |
| 10:25.55 | nick255 | baggend: doesn't work. says SIOCSIFADDR: Network is down . But with just inet ::1 comes up anyway. |
| 10:26.19 | xingu | why in gods name do you *want* a global scope address on lo? |
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| 10:27.17 | nick255 | xingu: because the box has a tunnel but is not a router, and it needs to an address from my allocated block for reverse dns to work |
| 10:27.48 | chalcedony | where do i need to look to find out what to do when adding ram? |
| 10:27.50 | canine_kouji | TurboGears is lightyears ahead of RoR |
| 10:27.56 | chalcedony | it's not seeing it |
| 10:28.03 | valdyn | chalcedony: in your hardware manual |
| 10:28.10 | doojin | I'm a windows user who used to use linux for a while, I want to know what purpose I use linux for |
| 10:28.10 | valdyn | chalcedony: what does it have to do with debian? |
| 10:28.15 | canine_kouji | I wonder why Turbogears doesn't get more attention from the media |
| 10:28.22 | chalcedony | valdyn: it's running debian |
| 10:28.25 | xingu | nick255: just use your /64 interface address? |
| 10:28.26 | Kalamansi | hark: Ahh done this before. This guys are from ##moss.Still no luck then. |
| 10:28.35 | valdyn | chalcedony: how much ram had you, have you now, did you add? |
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| 10:29.28 | Kalamansi | Thanks alot guys |
| 10:29.31 | nick255 | xingu: like i said, it's not a router, so using eth0 (the physical interface to the ipv4 cloud) seemed topologically weird |
| 10:29.35 | Kalamansi | Dinner time |
| 10:29.45 | xingu | nick255: it's not, trust me. :) |
| 10:30.06 | nick255 | xingu: i tried it anyway, and it didn't work either. |
| 10:30.34 | xingu | ok, so the problem is probably misdiagnosed; what's your test case? |
| 10:31.33 | chalcedony | valdyn: i had 256 and I added more 128 now |
| 10:31.34 | nick255 | xingu: if I just use ifconfig, with lo or eth0:1 it works fine and can be pinged from various webping things |
| 10:31.48 | nick255 | if i use eth0:1 in interfaces, like this: iface eth0:1 inet6 static address 2001:470:1f01:3324::1 netmask /120 |
| 11:30.06 | nick255 | with line breaks in appropriate places, I get this: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address when I ifup eth0:1 |
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| 11:30.09 | valdyn | chalcedony: look at the output of 'dmidecode', this should list all found ram ( as found by your mainboard, not by debian ), paste the output of 'free | grep cache:' here |
| 11:30.10 | CharminTheMoose | morning all. *yawn* |
| 11:30.11 | xingu | nick255: netmask should be - just netmask 120 |
| 11:30.12 | xingu | nick255: I must confess I'd never use a netmask that short on an etherlike interface, I'd bind that as the "inside" ip6 address of the tunnel itself |
| 11:30.13 | chalcedony | valdyn: -/+ buffers/cache: 70608 316340 |
| 11:30.14 | xingu | nick255: for etherlike interfaces if you stick with /64's the autoconf love will come much more readily |
| 11:30.14 | valdyn | !256+128 |
| 11:30.14 | dpkg | 384 |
| 11:30.15 | valdyn | chalcedony: what's your problem? ;) |
| 11:30.17 | nick255 | xingu: now my interfaces is iface eth0:1 inet6 static address 2001:470:1f01:3324::1 netmask 120 |
| 11:30.18 | xingu | nick255: looks good; what does ifup think about it? |
| 11:30.18 | nick255 | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 11:30.18 | xingu | nick255: just on a whim, try netmask 64 |
| 11:30.18 | nick255 | same |
| 11:30.18 | xingu | nick255: btw I'm using identical syntax here on my local network so I can assure you that much works; the remaining variable is that you're using an alias eth0:1, I'm not (eth0) |
| 11:30.18 | chalcedony | valdyn: the problem is I have 384 ram on it but debian loads 256. its not seeing it |
| 11:30.19 | xingu | nick255: can you try binding it as a /120 to eth0 itself by way of isolating the fault? |
| 11:30.19 | valdyn | chalcedony: no, debian sees it all |
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| 11:30.19 | valdyn | chalcedony: 70608+ 316340 = your total ram |
| 11:30.19 | valdyn | chalcedony: in kb |
| 11:30.20 | valdyn | chalcedony: or KB ( whatever ) |
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| 11:30.25 | nick255 | xingu: that works with ifconfig, but how would I put that in interfaces? My ipv4 address on interfaces comes from dhcp. |
| 11:30.25 | xingu | nick255: iface eth0 inet6 static |
| 11:30.26 | xingu | nick255: the apparent contradiction is allowed - different address family |
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| 11:30.27 | nick255 | awesome, it works. It still seems weird topologically though. |
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| 11:30.28 | xingu | right, so lets narrow why ifupdown bounces that on a subinterface |
| 11:30.29 | xingu | nick255: do me a favour and bts eth0 vs eth0:1 cases against ifupdown, see what the maintainer thinks. |
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| 11:30.29 | xingu | nick255: it's probably just an unusual and untested use case flushing out a bug |
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| 11:30.31 | xingu | nick255: no logical reason it shouldn't be permitted; there are good reasons not to attach anything other than ::1/128 to lo though |
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| 11:30.32 | nick255 | xingu: what about attaching to dummy0 then? |
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| 11:30.46 | valdyn | im not sure i follow this eth0:1 thing, but why would you need it when you can have as many ipv6 addresses on one interface as you want? |
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| 11:30.47 | xingu | valdyn: I hear ya, but on the flip side why disallow it? |
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| 11:30.47 | xingu | I guess nud is a little nonsensical on a logical interface type |
| 11:30.48 | xingu | so that's probably a reason; however iproute2 and ifconfig permit it... |
| 11:30.48 | g333k_laptop | hi, is it possible to install XGL on debian etch without messing all around? |
| 11:30.48 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: why would you want xgl? |
| 11:30.49 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: why not use aiglx? |
| 11:30.49 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, because I dont know aiglx? |
| 11:30.49 | valdyn | !aiglx |
| 11:30.49 | dpkg | hmm... aiglx is an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. Fucks up responsiveness badly with proprietary nvidia drivers ( Under load ). Don't use it if you want to get work done. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
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| 11:30.49 | xingu | nick255: try your luck is the best answer; I've never had a design reason to do anything that loopy. :) |
| 11:30.50 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: its the same for users, but the the admin, its included in stock xorg and in etch |
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| 11:30.50 | xingu | nick255: with ip6, you just don't need non-physical addressing any more |
| 11:30.51 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, interesting... what do I have to do to test it? |
| 11:30.51 | xingu | nick255: and even physical addressing is best left alone as auto link-local and discovered global scope |
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| 11:30.52 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: properietary nvidia drivers support it, proprietary ati drivers do not ( unless that changed just recently ), the xorg radeon driver(s) support it aswell as the intel drivers |
| 11:30.53 | nick255 | xingu: so how come there is not an inet6 auto configuration type in interfaces, just static and v4tunnel? |
| 11:30.53 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: depends on your driver i guess |
| 11:30.53 | xingu | nick255: if you were running radvd your peer should be advertising your /120 down the tunnel and radvd should bind it to eth0 for you |
| 11:30.54 | xingu | nick255: redundant; it's the default. |
| 11:30.54 | xingu | nick255: in the linux ip6 stack, configuring an address disables ra discovery |
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| 11:30.54 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, I have a ati 9100 IGP, I using the xorg's drivers |
| 11:30.54 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: ok, sec |
| 11:30.55 | nick255 | xingu: i wish that were documented in the manpage for interfaces |
| 11:30.55 | xingu | nick255: now I've told you you realise I'm honour bound to kill you |
| 11:30.55 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" is needed in your Device section |
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| 11:30.56 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, then? |
| 11:30.56 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: make sure hardware 3d accel is functional first, then just install and run compiz |
| 11:30.57 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, 3d is already working |
| 11:30.57 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: oh and the Section "Extensions" \ Option "Composite" "true" \ EndSection |
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| 11:30.58 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, rendering = Yes |
| 11:30.58 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, Does aiglx have the same effects of xgl? |
| 11:30.58 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: hmm, i keep finding more in my xorg.conf, in the ServerLayout Section Option "AIGLX" "true" |
| 11:30.58 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: as i said, its the same for the users |
| 11:30.58 | xingu | nick255: in the ip6 world generally the only thing that needs maintenance are routers - specifically, what scopes they announce in route advertisement |
| 11:30.59 | nick255 | xingu: so if i understand right, for ipv6 autoconf on eth0, you have auto eth0 but no iface eth0? or do you have "iface eth0 inet6"? |
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| 11:30.59 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, I dont understand the phrase "the same for the users" |
| 11:30.59 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: xgl and aiglx are just 2 different methods to achieve the same result |
| 11:31.00 | xingu | nick255: as soon as you modprobe ipv6 it'll attach the inet6 address family to all up interfaces |
| 11:31.00 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, ok |
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| 11:31.00 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, so I must use aiglx because is free right? |
| 11:31.00 | xingu | nick255: they'll then add an auto link-local (fe80) scope address and commence router discovery |
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| 11:31.02 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: no, both are free, but only aiglx is in xorg, you don't need to add non-debian software to use it |
| 11:31.02 | xingu | nick255: the router will advertise any global scope and a default route |
| 11:31.04 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, ohhh a clean install then... is there some guide that you follow to set it up? |
| 11:31.04 | xingu | nick255: if the interface sees an advertisement and it's still in auto-configuration mode it'll attach it |
| 11:31.04 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: i told you all i did |
| 11:31.04 | g333k_laptop | ok let me try |
| 11:31.04 | xingu | nick255: et voila; no config necessary, all automagic; just ifup the interface, the rest is magic. |
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| 11:31.05 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: except for installing the window manager ( compiz ).. you can check for AIGLX in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 11:31.06 | nick255 | so how is the interface declared in interfaces? |
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| 11:31.07 | xingu | nick255: interfaces only needs to declare the inet4 address family really; that will result in an up interface and the rest follows through |
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| 11:31.08 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: feel free to google for a howto, but those do normally cover alot more things that you don't need to do, just what i told you and installing compiz |
| 11:31.09 | valdyn | !info compiz sid |
| 11:31.09 | xingu | nick255: for inet6-only, I guess you could use iface eth0 inet6 manual |
| 11:31.09 | valdyn | !info compiz etch |
| 11:31.09 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 11:31.09 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
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| 11:31.10 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, I'm on my way... let me tell you the results |
| 11:31.10 | nick255 | xingu: okay. I will have to play with this a lot more once I get my ipv6 home network working again, this machine is all by itself in a different place |
| 11:31.10 | xingu | nick255: if you're using a v4 tunnel now is a good time to rewrite your iptables rules as ip6tables rules too |
| 11:31.11 | xingu | nick255: :) |
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| 11:31.12 | nick255 | xingu: thanks! |
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| 11:31.15 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, first I restaart the X and the I run compiz to try it right? |
| 11:31.15 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: 'compiz --replace gconf' probably |
| 11:31.15 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, where? |
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| 11:31.16 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: some terminal |
| 11:31.16 | Sithgunner | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.16 | g333k_laptop | brb |
| 11:31.17 | Sithgunner | i can set default route just fine but when someone accesses the internal machine on the other IP allocated by the other ISP, the server always takes the default route, which is for ISP 1, and won't get a response back... |
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| 11:31.18 | valdyn | Sithgunner: you cant really using that routing table for source dependent routing |
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| 11:31.19 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, ok I see the results now |
| 11:31.19 | valdyn | Sithgunner: as you can see in 'route -n' there's no source specified |
| 11:31.19 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: uh? works already? |
| 11:31.19 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, yeah!! so I have to run compiz every time I start a session right? |
| 11:31.19 | valdyn | Sithgunner: http://www.lartc.org/ |
| 11:31.20 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: you're using gnome? |
| 11:31.20 | Sithgunner | yeah i think so too, i dont mind if it involves mangling packets via iptables, but the basic idea i want is, if a machine is accessed via IP 2, the answer should go back via IP 2, instead of always the default route IP 1, because otherwise its quite useless holding up 2 pppoe connections |
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| 11:31.22 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, excuse me... can you repeat what you told me? |
| 11:31.22 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: you're using gnome? |
| 11:31.22 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, yep |
| 11:31.22 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: try 'gnome-session-save' then relog |
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| 11:31.23 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, what if I add a startup programs the line "compiz --replace gconf" ? |
| 11:31.23 | valdyn | g333k_laptop: that works too, but if gnome-session-save works, that's the better solution |
| 11:31.23 | Sithgunner | does this web have a solution to this problem? |
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| 11:31.24 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, ok let me try |
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| 11:31.24 | crazy_penguin | Hello |
| 11:31.25 | andreas__ | I've just installed etch, but my dhclient doesn't start at boot |
| 11:31.25 | andreas__ | I'm coming from a gento background and was used to rc-update |
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| 11:31.25 | andreas__ | does debian have something similar ? |
| 11:31.26 | valdyn | Sithgunner: sure |
| 11:31.26 | Sithgunner | ok tx, i'll look now |
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| 11:31.27 | valdyn | Sithgunner: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.loadshare.html |
| 11:31.28 | Sithgunner | ok ,thank you |
| 11:31.28 | dondelelcaro | andreas__: it's called update-rc.d in debian, but you don't use that to enable dhclient. |
| 11:31.28 | dondelelcaro | andreas__: man 5 interfaces; for details. |
| 11:31.28 | aerys | anyone uses the setpci? |
| 11:31.29 | valdyn | Sithgunner: actually http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.html#LARTC.RPDB.SIMPLE is your thing i guess |
| 11:31.29 | dondelelcaro | !anyone use |
| 11:31.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 11:31.30 | Sithgunner | alright |
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| 11:31.31 | andreas__ | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
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| 11:31.33 | aerys | mm my english is very bad, i know it and i'm sorry |
| 11:31.33 | Sithgunner | to tell truth, i just got 2 ISP registered just so i can host 2 HTTPS hosting, so, ultimately, only the source IP based routing does not work, because both HTTPS stays on same machine, but shows different content based on the accessed IP. |
| 11:31.34 | aerys | but with the setpci you can change the irq of the pci cards, and I need to know, this change is real? |
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| 11:31.34 | Sithgunner | i hope theres a way i can separate it somehow, and the easy idea i came up with (theoretically) is just throw the packet back from whichever interface it arrived from, but since no one but iptables keeps the connection tracking, i was wondering hmm |
| 11:31.35 | valdyn | Sithgunner: http already supports having different content by domain name used, don't even need 2 ips |
| 11:31.35 | yang | I have installed firewire pci card, and now I get errors "device eth0 left promiscous mode" on my primary NIC card? |
| 11:31.35 | Sithgunner | no, i mean HTTPS |
| 11:31.35 | xingu | there was actually a dpkg hint for multipath ip |
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| 11:31.36 | xingu | but I can't remember the key. :) |
| 11:31.36 | valdyn | Sithgunner: is that any different for https? i have no idea |
| 11:31.37 | Sithgunner | which doesnt support name based virtual hosting, unless i want to show people quite invalid certificates making different host name for the host they're accessing ... |
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| 11:31.38 | xingu | !split access |
| 11:31.38 | dpkg | from memory, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 11:31.38 | xingu | hah! |
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| 11:31.40 | Sithgunner | yeah, https validates itself with certificates before they send the 'Host' header which says the dns name of the machine, so https only let u do multiple hosting with different ip, that is, as long as I want to keep a nice certificate not saying 'im abc.domain.xyz' when the user is accessing 'xyz.domain.abc' |
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| 11:31.42 | mrynit | how do i check what verison of Xorg i have under gnome? |
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| 11:31.43 | johannes | hi |
| 11:31.43 | mrynit | hey |
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| 11:31.43 | johannes | is a raidtools2 package for etch available? |
| 11:31.43 | johannes | (was there a rename?) |
| 11:31.44 | Sithgunner | i either have to 1) give up 2 https domain but put everything under single https, 2) make errornous certificates to make alerts on users' browser for every access or 3) make sure this 2 ip thing works via some routing or iptables... |
| 11:31.44 | johannes | (amd64 version) |
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| 11:31.45 | Sithgunner | or 4) give up my project =), but i guess i never take this one |
| 11:31.45 | xingu | Sithgunner: read the links above, particularly the yellowpigs one. |
| 11:31.46 | smcavoy_ | hello, I'm wondering what people can suggest for using an iPod with sarge? I've got back ported gtkpod as well as xmms with aac but that seems to segfault regularly |
| 11:31.46 | Sithgunner | yeah, ok, tx, im off for some read |
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| 11:31.47 | dondelelcaro | we'd actually recommend using rockbox |
| 11:31.47 | raf256 | even with tor installed (-t unstable) I can not access http://*.union pages - how to fix? |
| 11:31.48 | raf256 | erm, .onion |
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| 11:31.48 | smcavoy_ | dondelelcaro, isn't rockbox a firmware replacement? |
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| 11:31.49 | dondelelcaro | smcavoy_: indeed. |
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| 11:31.51 | smcavoy_ | dondelelcaro, I'm looking for a desktop app to play songs on the ipod |
| 11:31.51 | jpin | Hi, apt-get is not installing kdebase 3.5.6 automatically (i only have experimental line on sources.list) any suggestions? |
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| 11:31.52 | dondelelcaro | smcavoy_: the ipod is just a harddrive as far as the computer is concerned; anythning that will play the files on it will work. |
| 11:31.52 | mrynit | raf256 the onion router? |
| 11:31.54 | mrynit | dondelelcaro most ppl want a manager tho w/ rss and dowloads |
| 11:31.54 | Sithgunner | hmm, i gtg, tx for the help! |
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| 11:31.57 | jpin | how can i install with apt from experimental? |
| 11:32.19 | dondelelcaro | jpin: in general if you have to ask that question, you should not be using experimental. |
| 11:32.36 | dondelelcaro | esp. since the manpage explains it pretty clearly. |
| 11:32.38 | g333k_laptop | valdyn, what if want to change some delay speeds? |
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| 11:32.49 | smcavoy_ | dondelelcaro, yes I am aware of that. what method do you use, just throw the entire itunes dir into an app and let it read the id tags? |
| 11:32.50 | jpin | dondelelcaro: .... heh |
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| 11:33.22 | jpin | dondelelcaro: the thing is, i've installed from experimental before, but apt behavior seemed to have changed |
| 11:33.24 | dondelelcaro | smcavoy_: I just point mpcd at it, frankly. |
| 11:33.46 | dondelelcaro | jpin: the apt behavoir hasn't changed, actually. You can't install from experimental without explicitely specificing experimental. |
| 11:34.34 | jpin | dondelelcaro: actually, there was a time where if the experimental line was the only one on sources.list, it would install the latest |
| 11:34.57 | jpin | dondelelcaro: -t experimental, ok |
| 11:35.10 | dondelelcaro | not in a very long time, and that has nothing to do with apt. |
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| 11:35.34 | dondelelcaro | (and everything to do with experimental's Release file) |
| 11:36.32 | jpin | dondelelcaro: that's the part i totally ignore :| |
| 11:36.35 | mrynit | does anyone have Beryl running on etch? i have an ATI X600 |
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| 11:38.59 | yang | I got problems with my NIC after installation of the firewire PCI card - the error says device eth0 entering promiscous mode ... audit 11717093... dev=eth0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=42940000000 , also the ifconfig shows 12x2 characters long HW address |
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| 11:40.52 | mrynit | yang firewire can act as a NIC |
| 11:41.48 | yang | mrynit: damn, how can i change that |
| 11:42.46 | mrynit | do you need the firewire? |
| 11:42.51 | yang | mrynit: i have this module - eth1394 IEEE-1394 IPv4 over 1394 ethernet (fw-host) |
| 11:43.03 | yang | mrynit: yes, i need it for camcorder |
| 11:43.36 | mrynit | your old eth0 nic works fine still? |
| 11:44.48 | yang | no, it doesnt work now with firewire installed |
| 11:44.53 | mrynit | yang lspci |
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| 11:45.54 | yang | mrynit: i get 00:12:0 ethernet contorller VIA tech. VT6102 Rhine-II rev 78 |
| 11:46.25 | mrynit | is your nic VIA or is that your firewire? |
| 11:46.47 | yang | my NIC is the onboard card, and its VIA rhine i think |
| 11:46.54 | WAndre | "Etch should be released soon." Does anyone know how soon soon is? |
| 11:46.56 | unsolo | crap i have been hacked |
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| 11:47.16 | mrynit | Etch is out now, or am i not understaning |
| 11:47.16 | unsolo | trough some nobody nobody dropped files |
| 11:48.49 | Gnea | !etch |
| 11:48.49 | dpkg | methinks etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 11:49.49 | yang | hey Gnea |
| 11:50.10 | Gnea | sup yang |
| 11:50.23 | Gnea | !wir |
| 11:50.23 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:50.30 | WAndre | Gnea: I read that and there I found "Etch should be released soon." |
| 11:50.30 | Gnea | !rsn |
| 11:50.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 11:50.32 | boodie | Hi - does anybody know how to use gSpace with firefox? It always gives me "Connection refused - impossible to retrieve the cookies" |
| 11:50.49 | zamuro | dpkg: Monkeys |
| 11:50.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, monkeys is the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
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| 11:51.02 | yang | Gnea: everything is ok, just wondering how to make this firewire card work |
| 11:51.04 | Gnea | WAndre: yeah - they gotta fix a bunch of bugs first, it'll happen when it happens, there's no set date |
| 11:51.16 | Gnea | yang: hrm.. plug it in? :) |
| 11:51.36 | yang | Gnea: yeah, scroll up a bit |
| 11:51.52 | Gnea | WAndre: releasing etch now would be like releasing windows me or vista |
| 11:51.56 | WAndre | well I'm running Sid but caused by the delayed etch release all new packages are uploaded to experimental :-( |
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| 11:52.42 | WAndre | I want my uptodate Sid back ;-) |
| 11:52.55 | hlpwfuse | why my mmc card reader works fine on kernel 2.6.8-2 but sg_scan -i returns nothing on kernel 2.6.18-1 ? |
| 11:52.59 | Gnea | yang: have you read the firewire howto? |
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| 11:53.20 | Gnea | hlpwfuse: code redesign. is it usb? |
| 11:53.40 | yang | Gnea: no |
| 11:53.40 | hlpwfuse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:54.11 | yang | Gnea: at this time, i am trying to get my onboard NIC back working, but its being blocked by the firewire |
| 11:54.13 | Gnea | hlpwfuse: unplug it, plug card(s) into it, plug it back into the usb interface, wait for the devices to settle detection |
| 11:54.25 | johannes | is raditools2 = raid-utils? |
| 11:54.46 | Gnea | hlpwfuse: when you want to remove them, umount them, unplug the reader and then remove the cards |
| 11:54.55 | xingu | yang: what debian release is this just out of interest |
| 11:55.07 | yang | xingu: etch |
| 11:55.19 | hlpwfuse | done but sg_map says "Stopping because no sg devices found --- Strange, could not find device /dev/sda-b-c mapped to sg device?? |
| 11:55.23 | ole | what packages do I need to build kernel modules? |
| 11:55.31 | Gnea | yang: how is firewire blocking? is it sharing the irq? |
| 11:55.45 | xingu | yang: ok so the confusing thing is that etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules should have prevented this outcome |
| 11:55.45 | ole | Im missing something |
| 11:56.00 | Gnea | hlpwfuse: again, you need to *WAIT* for the devices to settle - it may take half a minute to a minute |
| 11:56.08 | yang | Gnea: these 1394 modules get over the NIC |
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| 11:56.18 | Gnea | ole: the kernel source |
| 11:56.31 | Gnea | yang: so blacklist 'em |
| 11:56.48 | yang | xingu: do i need to modify something in that list? |
| 11:57.01 | ole | Gnea, I alreay have that, And I'm getting make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/build: No such file or directory |
| 11:57.04 | xingu | yang: take a look in that file; find the line for ohci1394; and correct the MAC address for it such that it matches your current eth0 |
| 11:57.13 | yang | Gnea: i forgot which module loads my rhino II nic card |
| 11:57.13 | Dewi | heh. so much for the crypto situation on d-i RC1 being so broken I should use the daily |
| 11:57.21 | Gnea | ole: you have it? where? |
| 11:57.34 | xingu | yang: then make sure that your NIC has NAME="eth0" and that ohci1394 has NAME= something else, eth2 for eg. |
| 11:57.42 | Dewi | today's ISO is missing the Release.gpg file altogether |
| 11:57.48 | hlpwfuse | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.17 | Gnea | sd 1:0:0:2: Attached scsi removable disk sdc |
| 11:58.17 | Gnea | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 11:58.24 | Gnea | hlpwfuse: looks fine to me |
| 11:58.31 | Dewi | anyone done an etch install recently? |
| 11:58.40 | Gnea | nope |
| 11:58.48 | Dewi | the current daily seems pretty broken |
| 11:58.50 | hlpwfuse | mount of /dev/sdc# fails |
| 11:59.01 | yang | xingu: yes, they both had "eth0" device as NAME :/ |
| 11:59.09 | Gnea | fdisk -l /dev/sdc <-- what does that return? |
| 11:59.15 | xingu | yang: ok, so fix the ohci one and then reboot and see what happens |
| 11:59.17 | yang | xingu: how do i reload that udev settings? |
| 11:59.20 | yang | ok |
| 11:59.22 | yang | just reboot |
| 11:59.38 | hlpwfuse | returnsnothing |
| 11:59.42 | Gnea | yang: you could also try pci=routeirq |
| 11:59.49 | xingu | there's probably a more graceful way to do it, but this is simplest for me in my post-friday-drinkies mindframe to ask you |
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| 12:00.05 | xingu | Gnea: it's just a good old eth1394-grabbing-my-eth0 cockup, nothing more sinister. |
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| 12:00.17 | Gnea | xingu: lol |
| 12:00.18 | scead | hello, im just wondering why there isn't a nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 in unstable yet |
| 12:00.39 | ole | Gnea, In /usr/src |
| 12:00.42 | unsolo | how do i do a recursive chmod for files only ? |
| 12:00.43 | Gnea | scead: an nvidia card running on a 486 system? |
| 12:00.49 | yang | where can i unload the daemons, which start up at the boot time? |
| 12:00.54 | scead | or any nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4 |
| 12:01.17 | scead | Gnea, yeah, why not? |
| 12:01.42 | Gnea | scead: the point being? |
| 12:01.53 | scead | <scead> hello, im just wondering why there isn't a nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-486 in unstable yet |
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| 12:02.16 | Gnea | again, who runs an nvidia card on a *486*? |
| 12:02.17 | valdyn | scead: no reason? |
| 12:02.47 | scead | Gnea, who cares what arch it is? |
| 12:02.49 | Gnea | thre's nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-486 |
| 12:02.52 | scead | it doesn't matter |
| 12:02.52 | xingu | unsolo: find /path -type f | xargs -n 1024 chmod |
| 12:03.01 | scead | i know there is 3 |
| 12:03.17 | yang | xingu: ok, it worked, thanks ! |
| 12:03.29 | Gnea | so what would 4 entail? |
| 12:03.34 | valdyn | scead: this needs no particular reason, things just take time |
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| 12:03.47 | scead | ok, thanks for answering my question valdyn :) |
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| 12:04.06 | Gnea | hlpwfuse: ok, it's not finishing the scan |
| 12:04.16 | Gnea | hlpwfuse: or the card isn't formatted |
| 12:04.32 | hlpwfuse | the card is ok worked fine on the old kernel |
| 12:04.42 | hlpwfuse | but sinc upgrade it does not |
| 12:04.46 | Gnea | i don't know |
| 12:04.46 | yang | one more question, i have this line in /etc/modules.conf options bttv card=34 tuner=38. but it doesnt load settings it at the boot time ? |
| 12:05.19 | xingu | yang: move that into a discrete file in /etc/modprobe.d/bttv or similar |
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| 12:05.29 | Gnea | yang: /etc/modules.conf is deprecated, use /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 12:05.31 | xingu | yang: filename is irrelevant; but one file per module is probably good practice |
| 12:06.36 | valdyn | yang: that file is obsolete, use /etc/modprobe.d/<file_of_your_choice> |
| 12:06.38 | ole | Gnea, I already got it, thanks for the hint of "are you sure?" ;) |
| 12:06.50 | Gnea | ole: cool :) |
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| 12:07.24 | yang | ok |
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| 12:12.13 | steve_dondley | df -h gives shows me the the root partition is full: /dev/sda14 213M 213M 0 100% / |
| 12:12.20 | steve_dondley | how to I clear out the root partition? |
| 12:12.28 | valdyn | steve_dondley: run apt-get clean |
| 12:12.35 | valdyn | steve_dondley: why is that partition that small? |
| 12:12.49 | steve_dondley | I set it up that way. I know just enough to be dangerous. |
| 12:13.03 | steve_dondley | I set up a lot of partitions on this hard drive. |
| 12:13.25 | valdyn | steve_dondley: we don't know your partition layout |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda14 213M 213M 0 100% / |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda1 91M 7.1M 79M 9% /boot |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda6 1.8G 556M 1.1G 32% /var/spool |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda7 1.8G 556M 1.1G 32% /var/mail |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda8 1.8G 556M 1.1G 32% /var |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda9 2.8G 102M 2.5G 4% /var/log |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda10 1.8G 492M 1.2G 28% /var/mysql |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda11 55G 53G 0 100% /home |
| 12:14.12 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda12 1.4G 110M 1.1G 9% /tmp |
| 12:14.14 | steve_dondley | /dev/sda13 2.5G 511M 1.8G 22% /usr |
| 12:14.32 | smiler | you never felt that you have overengineerd something...? :o |
| 12:14.38 | valdyn | steve_dondley: your /etc/mtab is fucked, sda6-8 are not on different partitions |
| 12:14.46 | rpc | steve_dondley woah. |
| 12:14.58 | rpc | how about pastebin.ca instead? |
| 12:15.02 | valdyn | steve_dondley: but why the hell are you using this fucked up partition layout? |
| 12:15.09 | steve_dondley | well, I followed some advice on a website a long time ago. |
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| 12:15.24 | steve_dondley | it told me to do this so I did. |
| 12:15.33 | smiler | I kinda hope you are using lvm so that you can resize stuff when it gets to small |
| 12:15.40 | hlpwfuse | what's modules are required for a mmc reader to work under kernel 2.6.18? |
| 12:15.55 | rpc | that setup isn't really this bad |
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| 12:16.07 | yang | How do the settings in alsamixer get saved ? README.alsamixer doesnt explain |
| 12:16.26 | valdyn | rpc: except that already having multiple kernels installed will fuck him |
| 12:16.47 | steve_dondley | valdyn: apt-get clean doesn't seem to help |
| 12:16.52 | valdyn | steve_dondley: yea, it cant |
| 12:16.59 | valdyn | steve_dondley: check du -hs /lib/modules |
| 12:17.09 | rpc | mhm |
| 12:17.25 | steve_dondley | says 13M |
| 12:17.36 | valdyn | steve_dondley: ok, looks like you have just one kernel.. |
| 12:17.40 | smiler | steve_dondley: du -hs /* to find out what takes up all that space |
| 12:17.50 | steve_dondley | du -hs /* |
| 12:18.03 | smiler | wrong terminal :D |
| 12:18.08 | steve_dondley | heh :) |
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| 12:19.08 | steve_dondley | etc is 6.5M and bin is 2.3M and boot is 3.1M |
| 12:19.22 | steve_dondley | but after running du -hs /* it just kind of hangs. |
| 12:19.35 | steve_dondley | I dont' get the command prompt |
| 12:19.40 | smiler | steve_dondley: no it doesnt hang, just takes a while to complete |
| 12:19.50 | steve_dondley | ok |
| 12:19.55 | phogg | steve_dondley: can you background it and look for evidence of IO? |
| 12:20.00 | valdyn | steve_dondley: this can take a loong time |
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| 12:20.14 | valdyn | steve_dondley: pretty pointless effort |
| 12:20.50 | steve_dondley | yeah, I don't see anything that is adding up to 213M so far. |
| 12:20.57 | phogg | steve_dondley: get kdirstat, unless it's a server |
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| 12:21.11 | valdyn | steve_dondley: its going to add up to that... and to everything else on all your other partitions |
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| 12:21.41 | iturk | hi there guys is there a way to replace the lilo in the masterboot again after another OS has been placed there ? |
| 12:21.42 | steve_dondley | valdyn: ok |
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| 12:21.49 | phogg | steve_dondley: are you tring to figure out where your disk space went? |
| 12:21.58 | valdyn | steve_dondley: du -hs /root/ |
| 12:22.07 | steve_dondley | yeah, trying to figure out why root is full |
| 12:22.21 | phogg | iturk: use a rescue disc/floppy to get back in to linux, then rerun lilp |
| 12:22.40 | iturk | phogg: i dont have disquete drive |
| 12:23.00 | iturk | phogg: and the cdrom of this laptop doesnt work |
| 12:23.01 | phogg | du / | sort -n | awk '{ { i = 0; for(n=$1;n>1024;n++){ n/=1024 ; i++} } suf[0] = "B" ; suf[0] = "K" ; suf[1] = "M" ; |
| 12:23.01 | phogg | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.39 | valdyn | steve_dondley: run 'du -hs /root/', and if that doesnt show up much space, for all other /* that are _not_ on seperate partitions |
| 12:23.43 | phogg | iturk: tricky. Can it boot from anything else? |
| 12:24.02 | iturk | phogg: just a usb pen |
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| 12:24.33 | steve_dondley | valdyn: all that shows up with that command is '179M /root' |
| 12:24.57 | iturk | phogg: i will try to reinstall lilo |
| 12:25.13 | valdyn | steve_dondley: there doesnt need to be more than a few kb in /root/ , look in there, delete what you don't need, this is roots $HOME, needs nothing in it |
| 12:25.30 | steve_dondley | right |
| 12:26.15 | steve_dondley | yeah, found a big file in there |
| 12:26.33 | steve_dondley | I didn't know that /root home directory was the same as / |
| 12:26.49 | steve_dondley | valdyn, thanks |
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| 12:27.04 | fulldisclosure | debian multimedia |
| 12:27.16 | steve_dondley | hey, anyone have advice on how to hire a good server maintenance guy? |
| 12:27.18 | phogg | steve_dondley: it isn't... |
| 12:27.33 | steve_dondley | phogg, ok |
| 12:27.47 | fulldisclosure | Is http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ trusted from debian ¿? |
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| 12:28.09 | streuner | its not official |
| 12:28.28 | streuner | but Marillat is a DD, so you could trust him |
| 12:28.58 | phogg | steve_dondley: root is called root and is the admin user with uid=0. / is called root and is the top-level of the filesystem. /root/ is called root and is user-root's home directory. |
| 12:29.06 | fulldisclosure | streuner, What is DD? |
| 12:29.31 | fulldisclosure | Ah, debian developer. |
| 12:29.31 | fulldisclosure | Ok. |
| 12:29.34 | steve_dondley | phogg, ok, looks like I just happened to put that directory on that partition. I see. |
| 12:29.35 | streuner | fulldisclosure: Debian-Devolper, one of about 1000 who brings joy to the OS World ;-) |
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| 12:30.11 | szachista | hi |
| 12:30.21 | szachista | how can i recreate /var/lib/dpkg/available file? |
| 12:30.31 | streuner | !available |
| 12:30.32 | dpkg | [available] run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first, then see above. |
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| 12:30.36 | zamuro | szachista: apt-get update |
| 12:30.45 | streuner | no |
| 12:30.58 | steve_dondley | I'm looking to find a responsive sysadmin guy who can help me maintain and run my servers. |
| 12:31.03 | szachista | zamuro: i tried it, there is still no /var/lib/dpkg/available file :/ |
| 12:31.11 | zamuro | !aviable |
| 12:31.17 | zamuro | !avaiable |
| 12:31.18 | streuner | szarak: see what the bot told you |
| 12:31.24 | szachista | !avaiable |
| 12:31.27 | zamuro | Damn... |
| 12:31.31 | streuner | szachista: see what the bot told you |
| 12:31.31 | zamuro | !avaialble |
| 12:31.41 | phogg | steve_dondley: how much will you pay? |
| 12:31.44 | fulldisclosure | streuner, Why dvdrip is not included in debian official packages ¿? |
| 12:31.58 | streuner | fulldisclosure: it isn't? |
| 12:32.01 | szachista | !avaialble |
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| 12:32.08 | zamuro | steve_dondley: Need to have him/her phisycally on location? |
| 12:32.12 | szachista | damn, how should i wirte that... |
| 12:32.13 | steve_dondley | no |
| 12:32.18 | fulldisclosure | streuner, No. |
| 12:32.21 | streuner | !tell szachista about available |
| 12:32.34 | streuner | fulldisclosure: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:32.35 | steve_dondley | phogg, hold on |
| 12:32.41 | szachista | streuner: thank you :) |
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| 12:32.49 | zamuro | steve_dondley: What do you exactly need from that admin? |
| 12:32.52 | fulldisclosure | no answere :-) |
| 12:33.03 | fulldisclosure | streuner, dpkg no answere |
| 12:33.08 | steve_dondley | Zamuro |
| 12:33.13 | streuner | szachista: i had *HARD* times to spell that term either, after serveral years i know it NOW ;-) |
| 12:33.24 | zamuro | rofl... |
| 12:33.28 | streuner | !tell fulldisclosure about search |
| 12:33.38 | zamuro | That's hard to spell though... |
| 12:33.49 | fulldisclosure | streuner, .. I know how to use real dpkg and apt. |
| 12:33.51 | steve_dondley | phogg, zamuro, I have two web server, both running debian, one is still on woody, the other on sarge |
| 12:34.00 | fulldisclosure | streuner, dvdrip is not included in debian. |
| 12:34.03 | zamuro | steve_dondley: I'm reading ;) |
| 12:34.06 | streuner | fulldisclosure: read man dpkg and man apt-get |
| 12:34.15 | fulldisclosure | streuner, .. I know how to use real dpkg and apt! |
| 12:34.16 | fulldisclosure | :-) |
| 12:34.22 | fulldisclosure | I am using debian for years. |
| 12:34.37 | fulldisclosure | I thought you told me about dpkg, the bot. |
| 12:34.49 | zamuro | Oh... Is this #debian? I thought this was #ubuntu |
| 12:34.51 | zamuro | LOL |
| 12:34.51 | steve_dondley | I'm paying my current guy $50/hour. But he hasn't been as responsive as I would like him to be. He's very busy. |
| 12:35.01 | fulldisclosure | I searched in packages.debian.org and dvdrip is not in testing/unstable ... |
| 12:35.06 | fulldisclosure | Dont know why. |
| 12:35.10 | streuner | fulldisclosure: there are prolly license issues then... |
| 12:35.16 | zamuro | steve_dondley: Would you like to go to a query? |
| 12:35.17 | fulldisclosure | zamuro, I use debian since potato. |
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| 12:35.34 | steve_dondley | Zamuro, what is a query? |
| 12:35.37 | zamuro | fulldisclosure: Cool... |
| 12:35.39 | fulldisclosure | Zambezi, I dont use ubuntu because I like to do things but my self, but ubuntu is now a better distro, for sure. |
| 12:35.44 | fulldisclosure | zamuro, * |
| 12:35.56 | sepski | !better |
| 12:35.57 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 12:35.57 | streuner | idiot |
| 12:36.06 | streuner | !shoot fulldisclosure |
| 12:36.07 | zamuro | lol |
| 12:36.27 | sidjster | ubuntu is better than what? |
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| 12:36.35 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 12:36.35 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 12:36.40 | Dhjiz | hello |
| 12:36.42 | fulldisclosure | streuner, Ok sorry :-) |
| 12:36.43 | streuner | here we go ;-) |
| 12:36.44 | Dhjiz | I have a problem |
| 12:36.46 | Dhjiz | with vsftpd |
| 12:36.47 | zamuro | steve_dondley: I'm interested on that proposal. |
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| 12:37.11 | zamuro | steve_dondley: How could I apply for that spot? |
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| 12:37.17 | Dhjiz | when I connect wih an FTP client, everything is ok until the LIST command |
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| 12:37.24 | matholio | Hi all. |
| 12:37.25 | streuner | if you come into #debian and insult US, i insult you! |
| 12:37.33 | steve_dondley | zamuro: hold on, trying to figure out how to do this private chat thing |
| 12:37.38 | Dhjiz | and then the server take at least 30 seconds to respond |
| 12:37.59 | zamuro | steve_dondley: If your nick isn't registered, you can private. |
| 12:38.06 | zamuro | can't** |
| 12:38.17 | streuner | fulldisclosure: Don't /msg me |
| 12:38.24 | fulldisclosure | streuner, Ok. |
| 12:38.31 | steve_dondley | Zamuro, I know. I've been having problems with freenode for a long time. Can't find a way to get my password so I can't register. |
| 12:38.33 | matholio | I'm trying to install etch (no gui) and it keeps failing at the point of configuring grub and thr mbr, any ideas what might cause this sort of issue ? |
| 12:39.03 | zamuro | steve_dondley: U use msn? |
| 12:39.08 | sidjster | just fails |
| 12:39.09 | phogg | steve_dondley: you've lost your password? |
| 12:39.10 | fulldisclosure | streuner, So you think I should find dvdrip in apt by doing apt-cache search ? |
| 12:39.14 | sidjster | no error |
| 12:39.16 | steve_dondley | zamuro: chatzilla |
| 12:39.22 | steve_dondley | phogg, yes |
| 12:39.34 | phogg | steve_dondley: asked a staffer for help? |
| 12:39.38 | fulldisclosure | streuner, why then the package is not in packagesdebian.org ¿? not in unstable neither etch. |
| 12:39.48 | streuner | fulldisclosure: add <marillat> to your sources.list, dvdrip is in debian-multimedia |
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| 12:40.01 | steve_dondley | phogg, I tried figuring out how to do that a long time ago. Never figured it out. |
| 12:40.06 | streuner | streuner> fulldisclosure: there are prolly license issues then... |
| 12:40.22 | fulldisclosure | aha |
| 12:40.32 | phogg | steve_dondley: normally I'd say /msg one of the ones who's on, but I guess you can't do that |
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| 12:40.41 | zamuro | lol |
| 12:41.57 | zamuro | steve_dondley: Anyways... If you want, you can mail me to mlucenap at gmail.com. I'm really interested on that. |
| 12:42.08 | steve_dondley | zamuro, ok |
| 12:42.10 | steve_dondley | thanks |
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| 12:42.19 | sidjster | i have an issue with my kicker panel it freezes when i try to configure panel it freezes any ideas? |
| 12:42.21 | zamuro | steve_dondley: likewise :) |
| 12:42.58 | steve_dondley | zamuro: sent an invite to google chat to you. |
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| 12:51.26 | sidjster | abrotman any ideas what could be effecting my kde kicker panel |
| 12:51.36 | sidjster | i know you hate kde but |
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| 12:51.50 | abrotman | i don't hate KDE .. i just don't like it or using it |
| 12:52.01 | abrotman | sidjster: anyways .. affecting it how ? |
| 12:52.38 | sidjster | when i right click on it to change panel settings it hangs |
| 12:53.02 | abrotman | sidjster: and since you're running sid .. you've already checked the bts right ? |
| 12:53.06 | hark | sidjster: enjoying unstable? |
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| 12:53.32 | sidjster | i like a system that i created |
| 12:53.45 | sidjster | and i kinda am enjoying sid |
| 12:53.45 | JJ|Laptop | so is 'cfdisk /dev/hdb' all i need to do to partition hdb? |
| 12:54.19 | amphi | JJ|Laptop: yes |
| 12:54.44 | abrotman | sidjster: BTS ? |
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| 12:57.00 | sidjster | checking |
| 12:57.10 | sidjster | so much kicker crap thjere |
| 12:57.14 | gulars | what's the name of the firefox development package in debian? |
| 12:57.32 | hark | strace it |
| 12:57.33 | abrotman | mozilla-dev .. i think |
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| 12:57.58 | abrotman | gulars: apt-cache search firefox dev |
| 12:58.00 | gulars | I tried apt-cache search firefox | grep dev, but all that gave me was dev files for mozilla spidermonkey and dev files for gecko |
| 12:58.14 | abrotman | gulars: what are you actually looking for ? |
| 12:58.35 | sidjster | im thinking about cheating on my girlfriend with synaptic |
| 12:58.40 | gulars | http://freepv.sourceforge.net/ <-- was going to compile that, and it wants firefox devel files installed |
| 12:58.51 | sidjster | i really wish i could hold her |
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| 13:00.42 | gulars | maybe it'll be suffisient to have xulrunner and/or libxul-dev... |
| 13:01.33 | matholio | 'grub package failed to install to /target/', can anyone explain why this might be ? |
| 13:01.59 | sidjster | are your partitions right? |
| 13:02.18 | gulars | btw: the argument 'bout firefox/iceweasel - are there a solution anywhere? |
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| 13:02.34 | matholio | I let the installer choose. single partition. ide drive. |
| 13:02.55 | abrotman | gulars: yes .. iceweasel is in etch/sid .. problem solved :) |
| 13:02.59 | sidjster | i dont know man im not there |
| 13:03.02 | gulars | :P |
| 13:03.05 | sidjster | im just asking |
| 13:04.57 | sidjster | you try ice ape its pretty cool |
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| 13:14.26 | stefano | hello everybody.i'm setting up chillispot under debian, using freeradius. I managed to make it work perfectly, the problem is this: is there a way to set an auto-expiration (or auto-delete) for the users? |
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| 13:15.33 | Zaggynl | If I install winxp first on the first part of my hdd, and then debian, will grub make a boot entry for my winxp installation? |
| 13:16.34 | sepski | Zaggynl, yes. unless you do something oddish |
| 13:17.08 | Zaggynl | sepski, okay cool, I did it the other way around first, but now I have to boot either one of them |
| 13:18.49 | sepski | Zaggynl, if you install a m$ product it destroys your bootloader. boot a rescue media, and use grub-install to fix |
| 13:18.51 | abrotman | Zaggynl: you can install grub from inside debian if you can boot it |
| 13:19.20 | Zaggynl | Well I tried installing grub again, but it refuses to boot windows :( |
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| 13:19.38 | abrotman | do you have your grub config handy ? |
| 13:19.46 | Zaggynl | Not at the moment, let me boot the laptopt |
| 13:22.17 | darkie33 | hi.After installation of debian the sound is not getting detected. What might be the problem? Alsa is installed and started.. |
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| 13:23.07 | abrotman | are you in the audio group ? |
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| 13:23.26 | Zaggynl | Okay, the laptop is booted and I'm sitting in front of a root shell |
| 13:23.26 | abrotman | !tell darkie33 about alsa one-liner |
| 13:23.30 | abrotman | !tell darkie33 about alsa-checklist |
| 13:23.53 | abrotman | Zaggynl: so if you install grub .. windows doesn't boot? or it doesn't have the option ? |
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| 13:24.16 | Zaggynl | I'm not sure, what's a proper way of installing grub ? |
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| 13:24.28 | Zaggynl | Right now the laptop boots winxp by default |
| 13:24.29 | abrotman | grub-install <booting disk device> |
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| 13:24.30 | mcgreg | hi |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | Zaggynl: run update-grub .. then peek in /boot/grub/menu.lst an dlook for an option to boot windows |
| 13:25.00 | Zaggynl | okay cool |
| 13:25.13 | mcgreg | should suspend/hibernate work with the standrd debian kenrels? I have tried it, it went ok, til it tried to boot, readed ther image, write it into ram, and then I got a kernel crash |
| 13:25.36 | Zaggynl | Hmm I got some extra kernels in the list, but no windows |
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| 13:27.21 | Zaggynl | abrotman, ^ |
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| 13:27.46 | abrotman | Zaggynl: /j #flood |
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| 13:29.43 | pentadrago | hi |
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| 13:30.07 | pentadrago | i need help with debootstrapping etch from sarge |
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| 13:31.28 | abrotman | pentadrago: why not just dist-upgrade ? |
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| 13:32.09 | pentadrago | i used to play a lot with it and want to have a clean one |
| 13:32.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 13:32.33 | pentadrago | the server has no working cd-rom or floppy |
| 15:03.17 | abrotman | i'd do a dist-upgrade .. seriously |
| 15:03.18 | pentadrago | i'd have to apt-get remove really lots of things to get this one clean again |
| 15:03.18 | pentadrago | mom, do you suggest a dist-upgrade and debootstrap with the upgraded system? |
| 15:03.19 | abrotman | mom ? |
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| 15:03.20 | pentadrago | it's an abreviation of "moment" -> wait a minute |
| 15:03.20 | rpc | "moment", i believe |
| 15:03.20 | abrotman | pentadrago: i'm saying to just dist-upgrade the system you have |
| 15:03.21 | perlmonk | Hi everyone, I wanted to know if I'm the only one to have issues with xfce4 on etch... Most of my apps end up generating a floting point exception error... |
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| 15:03.24 | pentadrago | but its totally messed up |
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| 15:03.25 | dav__ | elo |
| 15:03.25 | darkie33 | i installed the alsa-base and alsa-utils.. but still when i do alsamixer i get error. |
| 15:03.25 | hark | perlmonk: try #debian-xfce |
| 15:03.26 | dav__ | just one theory question, if there is a wifi router with mac filtering enable and i can see the client mac_addr, if i change my mac_adress cld it be possibleto connect to the AP even if the same mac is already connected , |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | pentadrago: define messed u |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | up |
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| 15:03.27 | guiden | is there a dibian dist that has kde as default in the installation? |
| 15:03.27 | doojin | Did anybody see sesame street? |
| 15:03.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 15:03.28 | dav__ | guiden, on the Debian FTP there is one even in the weekly-build directory called kde-blabla |
| 15:03.28 | mcgreg | lol |
| 15:03.28 | abrotman | guiden: debian has KDE available |
| 15:03.28 | guiden | ok |
| 15:03.29 | doojin | What is the basic difference between debian and ubuntu/ |
| 15:03.29 | pentadrago | abrotman: installed but no longer needed -> nis, some dbs, hula, lots of other stuff, all done via apt-get |
| 15:03.29 | abrotman | so apt-get remove them |
| 15:03.29 | perlmonk | hark, ok, thanks |
| 15:03.29 | abrotman | or even purge them if you choose |
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| 15:03.30 | doojin | What is the most recognizable difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 15:03.31 | pentadrago | how to locate all the packages they depended on (wanna remove them as well) |
| 15:03.31 | pngwn | doojin, one's debian and the other one isn't |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | doojin: the spelling is a good start |
| 15:03.31 | hark | guiden: you can get debian with KDE as default desktop-base |
| 15:03.32 | pingouin | i got this in my log : TCP: Treason uncloaked! Peer xx.xx.xx.xx:port shrinks window 1690558556:1690560016. Repaired. what does it mean ? |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | !tell pentadrago about deborphan |
| 15:03.32 | pingouin | i've been hacked ? |
| 15:03.32 | sidjster | debian is better |
| 15:03.32 | doojin | I mean the difference not in the name |
| 15:03.32 | pngwn | doojin, and one's on topic here and one isn't |
| 15:03.33 | hark | darkie33: without the error, no one will be able to help... |
| 15:03.33 | doojin | I mean the difference in function |
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| 15:03.34 | pngwn | doojin, try #ubuntu |
| 15:03.34 | mcgreg | does anyone in here use the hibernate function? |
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| 15:03.35 | darkie33 | hark: i am sorry. lemme try one more thing.. |
| 15:03.37 | sepski | pingouin, no, it's just a informative message |
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| 15:03.39 | abrotman | mcgreg: you might need suspend2 |
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| 15:05.37 | mcgreg | how can I make a user have permanent access to a device, like /dev/raw1394 ? |
| 15:05.38 | loca|host | howto quit minicom ? |
| 15:05.39 | mcgreg | can I simply set rights to it, will it be saved? |
| 15:05.39 | abrotman | loca|host: ctrl-x isn't it ? |
| 15:05.39 | abrotman | mcgreg: what are the perms ? |
| 15:05.40 | loca|host | abrotman, no |
| 15:05.40 | abrotman | mcgreg: user/group i mean |
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| 15:05.41 | abrotman | loca|host: do i have to install minicom ? :) |
| 15:05.41 | dav__ | what happened if two client connect to an access point with the same mac adress ( imagine that on is a aspoofed mac adress) will it works ? |
| 15:05.41 | dav__ | s/on/one |
| 15:05.41 | loca|host | abrotman, :D |
| 15:05.41 | abrotman | loca|host: ctrl-a x |
| 15:05.41 | DutchFish | hi, i have installed many times etch, but latest net-install aborts with could not find sig release file. How to solve his one? |
| 15:05.42 | pingouin | sepski: ok, thanks , but what is it about ?! |
| 15:05.42 | abrotman | i was close!!!!!! |
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| 15:05.42 | sepski | pingouin, a tcp host your box is talking to shrinks the tcp window without informing your box. |
| 15:05.43 | mcgreg | abrotman: I suspect root read/writem.. bah there is not such a file, but it works with root... I will check it furthewr |
| 15:05.43 | mcgreg | -w |
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| 15:05.43 | sepski | perhaps a tappit, or just a bad OS |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | mcgreg: so look .. ls -l |
| 15:05.45 | I-kido | does kernel 2.6.18-3-686 support HyperThreading? |
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| 15:05.45 | DutchFish | I-kido: yes |
| 15:05.45 | mcgreg | abrotman: ok, I start with teeling you, I suck: the module wasnt loaded :) I recheck the situation ;) |
| 15:05.45 | I-kido | dankje ( thanks |
| 15:05.46 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:05.46 | abrotman | hyperthreading is useless |
| 15:05.47 | mcgreg | abrotman: ahh I found, it has an own group, called disk ... now everything is clear , thx :) |
| 15:05.47 | abrotman | you don't want to be in that group |
| 15:05.48 | DutchFish | How can i circumvent the missing gpg release file, on install? |
| 15:05.48 | abrotman | DutchFish: how old is your installer image ? |
| 15:05.48 | pingouin | sepski: ok,i try to google that, i'm not happy about |
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| 15:05.49 | DutchFish | abrotman: downloaded 4 min ago |
| 15:05.49 | abrotman | DutchFish: rc1 or a dialy ? |
| 15:05.49 | abrotman | daily |
| 15:05.49 | sidjster | i will never go to the ubuntu room again |
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| 15:05.49 | mcgreg | abrotman: hmm why not? |
| 15:05.50 | stefano | sidjster: why? |
| 15:05.50 | abrotman | mcgreg: because that gives you permission as a regular user to do really really bad things |
| 15:05.50 | DutchFish | abrotman: let me check |
| 15:05.50 | mcgreg | abrotman: I see |
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| 15:05.51 | sidjster | i think i just unlearned everything ive learned i just 2 minutes in that room |
| 15:05.51 | abrotman | mcgreg: such as .. IIRC as a user you could repartition/reformat your drives acccidentally |
| 15:05.51 | stefano | sidjster: :-) |
| 15:05.52 | mcgreg | abrotman: undestood. but then, I dont see a possibility to set /dev/raw1394 permanently read/write to a user, when it is created dynamically at boot |
| 15:05.53 | DutchFish | abrotman: daily build i386 cd image |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | DutchFish: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | mcgreg: you can change the perms on it |
| 15:05.53 | abrotman | mcgreg: change the group owner i guess .. or ick .. make it 666 |
| 15:05.54 | DutchFish | abrotman: there is some command to circumvent this (i forgot) |
| 15:05.54 | mcgreg | and the changes will remain after a reboot? |
| 15:05.55 | abrotman | DutchFish: usually you can just tell it to continue |
| 15:05.57 | abrotman | mcgreg: nope .. you need udev rules or a script when you boot |
| 15:05.58 | mcgreg | abrotman: ahh well, thx the point :) |
| 15:05.58 | mcgreg | thats |
| 15:05.58 | DutchFish | abrotman: this time no: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 |
| 15:05.59 | mcgreg | abrotman: anyway, thx fo your help :) |
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| 15:05.59 | abrotman | DutchFish: i asked you if you had a daily or not ... |
| 15:05.59 | abrotman | mcgreg: hey .. i wanred you! |
| 15:06.00 | mcgreg | abrotman: hmm? dont worry, I wont add a user to disk-group :) |
| 15:06.01 | DutchFish | abrotman: confused now, i cant use biz card images because of some special hardware |
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| 15:06.03 | abrotman | DutchFish: did you get a daily installer or rc1 ? they are two different links on the installer site |
| 15:06.04 | DutchFish | abrotman: daily for sure |
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| 15:06.06 | abrotman | DutchFish: then ask #debian-boot on OFTC .. that link only mentions RC1 |
| 15:06.06 | pentadrago | abrotman: deborphan is cool, thx for the help |
| 15:06.07 | abrotman | enjoy |
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| 15:06.08 | DutchFish | abrotman: i know i can circumvent this with an option called --ignore-release-gpg but i forgot how to use it |
| 15:06.09 | abrotman | DutchFish: are you still in the installer ? |
| 15:06.09 | DutchFish | abrotman: yes, but its in another room, no ssh yet |
| 15:06.11 | abrotman | DutchFish: you can have the installer just use the CD as its source .. finish the installer .. then install from there |
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| 15:06.15 | DutchFish | abrotman: i cant get it to do the base-install, if can finish that the rest is plain easy |
| 15:06.16 | abrotman | oh |
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| 15:06.16 | DutchFish | abrotman: trying to do base-install gave me this error |
| 15:06.18 | DutchFish | abrotman: never had that before |
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| 15:06.22 | DutchFish | abrotman: or i could force it to get this sig from the mirror a have choosen, howto? |
| 15:06.22 | Gnea | unf |
| 15:06.22 | abrotman | DutchFish: that i don't know |
| 15:06.23 | abrotman | DutchFish: i doubt the key utils are installed |
| 15:06.23 | DutchFish | abrotman: i search for /etc/apt but its not installed yet, so its all in memmory |
| 15:06.24 | abrotman | /target/ probably |
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| 15:06.25 | DutchFish | abrotman: there is something in the logs about /target/ yes |
| 15:06.28 | DutchFish | abrotman: can i force it to debootstrap it from a mirror from another console? |
| 15:06.29 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 15:06.29 | abrotman | you could try though |
| 15:06.31 | abrotman | i'd ask #debian-boot how to get around it |
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| 15:06.32 | DutchFish | abrotman: ok, thx so far, ill figure out eventually |
| 15:06.33 | abrotman | okay |
| 15:06.34 | abrotman | DutchFish: or wait a few days if you can for RC2 |
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| 15:06.35 | DutchFish | abrotman: RC2 coming soon then??? |
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| 15:06.36 | Techdeck_ | Hello, why when I add user processess limit it doesn't show up in ulimit -u? I added: * soft nproc 200 |
| 15:06.36 | Techdeck_ | * hard nproc 200 |
| 15:06.37 | abrotman | over ssh ? |
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| 15:06.38 | Techdeck_ | oops sorry, I meant for it to be on one line |
| 15:06.39 | Techdeck_ | I added these to /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 15:06.43 | DutchFish | abrotman: fyi , i got it working --ignore-release-gpg is a kernel boot option ;) |
| 15:06.45 | Techdeck_ | anyone? |
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| 15:06.46 | abrotman | DutchFish: it's an installer option .. not kernel |
| 15:06.46 | DutchFish | abrotman: oh.. |
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| 15:06.50 | anirban | Hi |
| 15:06.51 | anirban | I am having problem with grub2 |
| 15:06.51 | anirban | I installed it in my etch |
| 15:06.51 | anirban | and then did a dist-upgrade |
| 15:06.52 | anirban | in the dist-upgrade it runs update-grub |
| 15:06.52 | Techdeck_ | no one knows about limits.conf? |
| 15:06.52 | anirban | which generates a new grub.cfg file |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | is it over ssh ? |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | Techdeck_: ^ |
| 15:06.53 | Techdeck_ | oh |
| 15:06.53 | Techdeck_ | I thought you're talking to someone else |
| 15:06.53 | anirban | now I have both menu.lst and grub.cfg in my /boot/grub |
| 15:06.53 | Techdeck_ | yes it's over ssh |
| 15:06.53 | abrotman | Techdeck_: you have to extra stuff to get ssh to obey limits.conf |
| 15:06.54 | Techdeck_ | but I did logout/login after setting it |
| 15:06.54 | anirban | but grub is still reading from menu.lst |
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| 15:06.54 | anirban | so I removed the menu.lst |
| 15:06.54 | Techdeck_ | oh abrotman, what's that? |
| 15:06.54 | anirban | but now grub is not loading any kernel |
| 15:06.55 | Hotwire | lol |
| 15:06.55 | anirban | infact not showing any option |
| 15:06.55 | Hotwire | anirban: that wasn't a very good idea, get a live cd and restoer a backup copy of menu.lst |
| 15:06.55 | anirban | yeah I did that |
| 15:06.56 | Techdeck_ | abrotman, what do I need to change to make it work on ssh? the main reason is making this work for cron scripts, but I want it to work for ssh as well |
| 15:06.57 | anirban | infact now I can not even do grub-install /dev/sda |
| 15:06.57 | abrotman | Techdeck_: let me see if i can find it |
| 15:06.57 | Techdeck_ | thank you |
| 15:06.57 | anirban | giving me unknown file system |
| 15:07.09 | Hotwire | anirban: and its exactly the same menu.lst? |
| 15:07.10 | anirban | yeah |
| 15:07.10 | Hotwire | odd |
| 15:07.10 | anirban | I just made a backup of it in my home dir |
| 15:07.10 | anirban | Ohh |
| 15:07.11 | anirban | Now Acctually I am able to boot again |
| 15:07.12 | Hotwire | and the update didn't break grub before you played around? |
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| 15:07.12 | anirban | grub with menu.lst working fine |
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| 15:07.14 | Hotwire | so whats the problem? |
| 15:07.16 | anirban | my problem is how to make grub.cfg work |
| 15:07.16 | abrotman | Techdeck_: i've actually done it .. but i can't find the reference now |
| 15:07.16 | Techdeck_ | :( |
| 15:07.17 | anirban | I installed the grub2 so that I can get the bootsplash screens |
| 15:07.17 | Techdeck_ | what should I look for? |
| 15:07.17 | Hotwire | oh, sorry i cant help there |
| 15:07.17 | Techdeck_ | session required pam_limits.so |
| 15:07.17 | Techdeck_ | I have this already |
| 15:07.18 | anirban | okay no probs |
| 15:07.18 | Techdeck_ | in /etc/pam.d/login |
| 15:07.18 | anirban | thanks a lot |
| 15:07.18 | abrotman | Techdeck_: it's something in sshd_config you have to do |
| 15:07.19 | Hotwire | iirc you need a kernel mod for bootsplash screen |
| 15:07.20 | Techdeck_ | ChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
| 15:07.20 | Techdeck_ | that? |
| 15:07.20 | Techdeck_ | I already have: UsePAM yes |
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| 15:07.26 | Techdeck_ | abrotman, it's also in /etc/pam.d/ssh (the require pam_limits..) |
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| 15:07.27 | abrotman | http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos/2004-September/000550.html |
| 15:07.27 | abrotman | Techdeck_: i think that's it |
| 15:07.28 | abrotman | set 'UsePrivilegeSeparation' to no |
| 15:07.29 | abrotman | you'll have to restart sshd after changing it |
| 15:07.29 | Techdeck_ | abrotman, let me try, sec |
| 15:07.30 | Techdeck_ | but it says it's turned on for security |
| 15:07.31 | Techdeck_ | what will happen if I'll set it to off? |
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| 15:07.32 | Techdeck_ | bah, crontab doesn't work with it either |
| 15:07.33 | Techdeck_ | I've made a script that does ulimit -a | mail my@mail.com and it doesn't show that limit :| |
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| 15:07.36 | Techdeck_ | :\ |
| 15:07.37 | sidjster | figured out kicker iwas the wallpaper |
| 15:07.37 | sidjster | thats nuts |
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| 15:07.39 | sidjster | didnt like those humming birds anyway |
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| 15:07.41 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to get apt-get to download all the dependancies of an already installed package? |
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| 15:07.53 | xand | CharminTheMoose: surely they'd already be installed? |
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| 15:07.57 | pingouin | i got a usb key, that come from a friend under windows, when i plug it, log tell me : localhost kernel: sda: unknown partition table , what i can do ? |
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| 15:07.57 | sidjster | is logging in as root in synaptic the same as working in root in shell? |
| 15:07.57 | pingouin | i usulally mount my sd card/mp3 player with no troubleq |
| 15:07.57 | abrotman | Techdeck_: any luck ? also beware that's a potential security issue |
| 15:07.58 | abrotman | pingouin: fdisk -l /dev/sda .. see anything ? |
| 15:07.58 | Techdeck_ | nope abrotman |
| 15:07.59 | pingouin | abrotman: i try |
| 15:07.59 | abrotman | pingouin: or it could be a raw device |
| 15:07.59 | Techdeck_ | that's why I didn't set it to 'off' |
| 15:07.59 | Techdeck_ | :p |
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| 15:08.00 | abrotman | Techdeck_: nope? doesn't work ? |
| 15:08.00 | Techdeck_ | nope, didn't try it, I don't want a security hole |
| 15:08.01 | Techdeck_ | but what bothers me more is that cron scripts don't use it either |
| 15:08.01 | abrotman | Techdeck_: it's not automatically a security hole |
| 15:08.01 | Techdeck_ | ssh is less important |
| 15:08.02 | abrotman | man sshd_config to see |
| 15:08.03 | pingouin | abrotman: yep it told me stuff |
| 15:08.03 | pingouin | abrotman: what do you want to know to help ? |
| 15:08.03 | abrotman | what it says :) |
| 15:08.05 | pingouin | abrotman: lot of stuff |
| 15:08.06 | pingouin | abrotman: where can i paste this safely already ? |
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| 15:08.07 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:08.07 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
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| 15:08.08 | abrotman | Techdeck_: turning that to off is only an issue if there's another issue with sshd |
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| 15:08.09 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 15:08.09 | Techdeck_ | abrotman, nevertheless, my real problem is with cron, not ssh |
| 15:08.09 | Techdeck_ | and it doesn't work for cron : |
| 15:08.09 | pingouin | abrotman: http://contre.feux.free.fr/images/fdiskout.txt |
| 15:08.09 | HardDisk_WP | how do I configure Exim4 (with Courier IMAPssl, recieving works) so that I can also *send* mails via IMAP?? |
| 15:08.10 | HardDisk_WP | I get always error "Realy not permitted", but I use SMTPauth |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | pingouin: that's really goofy |
| 15:08.10 | sdondley | when trying to 'apt-get source glibc', I get Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_woody_main_source_Sources... |
| 15:08.10 | pingouin | abrotman: so what ? |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | sdondley: paste your sources somewhere |
| 15:08.10 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:08.11 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:08.11 | abrotman | pingouin: i'm not an expert on those devices .. but it looks to need a reformat .. possibly ask ##linux |
| 15:08.11 | Techdeck_ | thanks anyway abrotman |
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| 15:08.12 | abrotman | Techdeck_: limits suck! |
| 15:08.12 | Techdeck_ | I hear ya :p |
| 15:08.12 | pingouin | abrotman: that ok , so, this usb key come from a windows XP, surely my friend format it |
| 15:08.13 | pingouin | abrotman: so i give up, i have no trouble with mine and mp3 player |
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| 15:08.14 | pingouin | abrotman: thanks for care anyway. |
| 15:08.14 | abrotman | pingouin: or post to a mailing list |
| 15:08.15 | abrotman | pingouin: i wonder if it has a special driver for win32 |
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| 15:08.15 | pingouin | abrotman: i'll ask my friend if he had to put driver to make it work |
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| 15:08.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:08.18 | pingouin | abrotman: thank again anyway ;) |
| 15:08.19 | abrotman | yep |
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| 15:11.46 | bushblows | Does shorewall run stable on debian? |
| 15:12.36 | abrotman | !info shorewall sarge |
| 15:12.43 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 147 kB, Installed size: 824 kB |
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| 15:15.34 | bushblows | so i take that as it is stable |
| 15:17.11 | abrotman | you can check the BTS if you want to see bugs filed against it |
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| 15:17.47 | bushblows | ok thank you, I couldnt get shorewall to run stable on ubuntu, so I wanted to check on debian before installing |
| 15:17.56 | sh4rm4 | how can I remove or upgrade a module installed with m-a ? |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | which do you want to do ? |
| 15:18.27 | sh4rm4 | fuse |
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| 15:21.19 | abrotman | are there new sources in your debian version for the m-a modujle ? |
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| 15:22.52 | sh4rm4 | abrotman, no I downloaded a new version manually |
| 15:23.18 | sh4rm4 | in apt-get I get only version 2.5.3, but on sf.net there is 2.6.3 |
| 15:23.25 | abrotman | ah .. |
| 15:23.43 | sh4rm4 | and v2.6.0 is req. for ntfs-3g |
| 15:24.08 | abrotman | Techdeck_: is UsePAM set to yes or no in your sshd_config? |
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| 15:25.02 | sh4rm4 | abrotman: any suggestions ? |
| 15:25.18 | abrotman | sh4rm4: m-a purge ? |
| 15:25.33 | abrotman | sh4rm4: if you want to do it on your own outside m-a .. read th einstall docs that it comes with |
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| 15:26.12 | sh4rm4 | if I knew where the module was installed I could remove it manualy |
| 15:26.25 | abrotman | /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
| 15:26.29 | abrotman | somewhere under that |
| 15:26.40 | sh4rm4 | is it ok to delete from there ? |
| 15:26.50 | sh4rm4 | or do I have to unload something |
| 15:26.55 | jsaitoh | is this the official debian irc channel? (I'm sorry wrt my newbie-ness) |
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| 15:27.55 | GeorgeS069 | jsaitoh: no...the "official" debian irc channel is at irc.debian.org |
| 15:28.11 | jsaitoh | I see, thanks for your reply :) |
| 15:28.34 | abrotman | Techdeck_: ? |
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| 15:29.20 | plutonas | can somebody tell me how to set the background on xfce4? it doesnt seem to work. |
| 15:29.42 | brann | hello ;i've not been able to find yet the complete list of keycodes in xmodmap. where is it available? or, how can i know the keycode of a specific keyboard key ? |
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| 15:31.49 | vydd | hi all...hm, does anyone know why is ekiga dependecy for gnome-desktop-environment? |
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| 15:32.11 | hark | brann: use xev |
| 15:32.26 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 15:32.27 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 15:32.30 | jsaitoh | brann: did you try xev? |
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| 15:32.35 | tonb | hay. it's possible to have imap and pop3 mailboxes on serwer. for one login i want have pop3 mailbox and for rest imap |
| 15:32.42 | plutonas | can somebody tell me how to set the background on xfce4? it doesnt seem to work. |
| 15:32.59 | brann | hark, jsaitoh ; oh i see .. i didnt know it existed ! thanks for the hint ! |
| 15:33.25 | jsaitoh | doh.... I looked like an echo :( |
| 15:33.31 | abrotman | plutonas: try #xfce |
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| 15:33.47 | plutonas | abrotman: nobody answers there |
| 15:33.49 | abrotman | tonb: ? |
| 16:49.08 | Grabber | yeah anyone have docs for $HOME/aptitude/conf ? |
| 16:49.08 | hark | plutonas: #debian-xfce ? |
| 16:49.08 | hark | plutonas: you could always use display... |
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| 16:49.10 | abchirk | hi all, I have plugged in a MMCcard..but how I can mount it..I loaded mmc_block as module...but in dmesg appears no message, any hints? |
| 16:49.10 | jsaitoh | hark: I think xfwm4 creates a window on top of the root window, allowing it to control the "Desktop" |
| 16:49.10 | wam | Hi, my keyboard lacks the less-than and greater-than key. Can I somehow define any other combination for these symbols under gnome? |
| 16:49.10 | tonb | abrotman? yes? i have hundert of email on one account on serwer and i don't want store it on it, just download it on computer. so i think that pop3 is good. connect-> get mails-> disconect |
| 16:49.11 | tonb | for others users i want use imap. well i need use imap |
| 16:49.11 | Grabber | yeah anyone have docs for $HOME/aptitude/conf ? |
| 16:49.12 | abrotman | tonb: you can offer both services .. and justsetthem up for imap ? |
| 16:49.14 | abrotman | tonb: run POP3 on a non-standard port .. hopefully you'll be the only to discover it ? |
| 16:49.15 | abchirk | Or do I need a special driver for memory cards? |
| 16:49.15 | tonb | abrotman i can? i was thinking if i chose in exim maildir_format = true then it will save |
| 16:49.15 | tonb | only in maildformat not pop3 ? |
| 16:49.16 | abrotman | abchirk: nope |
| 16:49.16 | hark | !tell sh4rm4 -about away |
| 16:49.16 | abrotman | !tell sh4rm4 about away |
| 16:49.17 | tonb | damm |
| 16:49.17 | tonb | not pop3 s/pop3/mbox |
| 16:49.17 | tonb | format ;D |
| 16:49.17 | tonb | o. |
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| 16:49.17 | tonb | typo |
| 16:49.18 | abrotman | mbox is good for pop3 .. bad for imap |
| 16:49.19 | tonb | so. so can exim be configured to save for some account mails in mbox and for some othere in imap ? do u know maybe that ? |
| 16:49.20 | hark | ah, he left... |
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| 16:49.22 | jsaitoh | is anyone here used to the ProjectManager.app in Debian-unstable? |
| 16:49.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
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| 17:22.44 | abrotman | Techdeck_: i've gotta replace this hinge .. but stick around .. i've got more questions |
| 17:22.45 | jsaitoh | Grabber: I'm not sure how complete the docs are since I don't have an html browser installed, but |
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| 17:22.47 | jsaitoh | Grabber: did you look at /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/<LANG>/index.html as referenced in the aptitude man page? |
| 17:22.48 | Grabber | yes |
| 17:22.49 | Grabber | but this don't have a list within possibles configs to configure this |
| 17:22.49 | samuk | i would like to use kiosk mode on xfce the documentation http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-kiosk-mode says to create the file create the file ${sysconfdir}/xdg/xfce4/kiosk/kioskrc would usr/bin/xfce4/xdg/xfce4/kiosk/kioskrc be the most appropriate place to create that file? |
| 17:22.50 | Grabber | i wanna delete .deb files after them are installed |
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| 17:22.54 | dotCOMmie | does anyone know of a good utility/kernel patch with which its possible to log anything users execute in shell? |
| 17:22.55 | jsaitoh | Grabber: if you want to clear out the locally downloaded packages, you could "apt-get clean" |
| 17:22.55 | Grabber | oh |
| 17:22.56 | Grabber | nce |
| 17:22.56 | Grabber | ice |
| 17:22.57 | jsaitoh | Grabber: although, I realize that this is a manual operation and you are probably searching for an automatic way which I don't have an idea |
| 17:22.57 | hark | samuk: maybe /etc/ |
| 17:22.57 | Grabber | jsaitoh, thanks |
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| 17:22.57 | samuk | ahh my question was answered on another channel, thanks anyway |
| 17:22.57 | Grabber | but i need know how to configure aptitude |
| 17:23.00 | Bawbag | Can someone recommend a sources.list file to me? |
| 17:23.03 | hark | !sources.list |
| 17:23.03 | dpkg | [sources.list] something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 17:23.03 | hark | Bawbag: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:23.03 | Bawbag | thanks |
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| 17:23.03 | hark | Bawbag: sarge or etch? |
| 17:23.04 | Bawbag | sarge |
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| 18:09.06 | Bawbag | dpkg (the bot) mentions "apt-setup".. that program does not appear to exist on my installation |
| 18:09.07 | tonb | in sarge there is no apt-setup |
| 18:09.07 | hark | there is |
| 18:09.07 | tonb | there is no. it |
| 18:09.07 | Bawbag | "use apt-setup if you are running sarge," |
| 18:09.07 | tonb | aaaa |
| 18:09.08 | tonb | in sarge it is |
| 18:09.08 | tonb | in base-config .deb |
| 18:09.08 | tonb | in eth isn't |
| 18:09.08 | hark | yes |
| 18:09.09 | tonb | sorry |
| 18:09.09 | tonb | ;D |
| 18:09.09 | Bawbag | hehe |
| 18:09.09 | tonb | i have now eth and i lost apt-setup |
| 18:09.09 | tonb | ;D |
| 18:09.09 | hark | Bawbag: try it as root |
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| 18:09.13 | Bawbag | sudo: apt-setup: command not found |
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| 18:09.18 | hark | is base-config installed? do you have a /usr/sbin/apt-setup ? |
| 18:09.19 | hark | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 18:09.19 | Bawbag | eugh. silly me. i've got it. |
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| 18:09.20 | Bawbag | thanks |
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| 18:55.21 | jsaitoh | Grabber: AFAICT, it seems like you have to clean the package cache manually :( |
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| 18:55.21 | HardDisk_WP | see ya |
| 18:55.22 | sid | Is there any printer brand that will work fully with a GNU/Linux operating system? ie are there any manufacturers that have linux kernel drivers for all their new printer hardware? |
| 18:55.23 | sid | I wanted a good color laser printer |
| 18:55.24 | brann | is there a way to prevent the window manager to decorate a specific program? |
| 18:55.25 | h3sp4wn | sid: hp is as well supported as anyoner |
| 18:55.25 | xingu | kernel? |
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| 18:55.25 | Eclipser | sid, linuxprinting.org or something |
| 18:55.25 | hark | hp usually is.. |
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| 18:55.30 | vydd | I bought a lexmark printer....and it came with linux drivers for various lexmark printers....except for the printer I bought |
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| 18:55.33 | tp76 | Hi. I need to install Debian from a USB stick (965 chipset with no PATA controller). I've copied hd-media/boot.img.gz to it (zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda). Can I simply cp the first CD ISO (debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso) to the USB stick and expect the installer to work? I only need the base system so I can compile a newer kernel. |
| 18:55.34 | tp76 | Or perhaps this businesscard or netinst.iso is better (though I'm not sure the onboard NIC is supported either) |
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| 18:55.36 | h3sp4wn | tp76: I would install with debootstrap from for example grml |
| 18:55.37 | tp76 | Well, some patience would be nice. Continuing to RTFM it says I can copy over the ISO in question *grin* |
| 18:55.37 | tp76 | h3sp4wn: I'll look into that, thank you. |
| 18:55.37 | h3sp4wn | !grml |
| 18:55.37 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. |
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| 18:55.38 | h3sp4wn | there is a grml2usb script that can be used to easily install it to usb |
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| 18:55.39 | AcuraX | Anyone here familiar with mklivecd? |
| 18:55.40 | tp76 | Well, I only need to get the base system installed and a toolchain to compile Linux from kernel.org (need 2.6.19+ for the JMicron controller support). |
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| 21:34.47 | *** topic/#debian is /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test the etch installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:34.55 | factotum | sorry baby knocked over keyboard |
| 21:34.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | valdyn: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/editors/openoffice.org <-- Only x86 :( |
| 21:35.02 | abrotman | damn kids! |
| 21:35.04 | bzed | pickcoder: ah. well, different thing then. x_link has a nvidia card |
| 21:35.08 | pickcoder | never had a problem with it |
| 21:35.10 | sidjster | get rid of the kid |
| 21:35.12 | martman | i just ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again and added more possible resolutions. then restarted. |
| 21:35.14 | martman | under configure desktop i dont see any of the new ones now |
| 21:35.16 | pickcoder | bzed: the point is, it's not working anymore |
| 21:35.27 | pickcoder | and I've had Etch running on the machine since late last year |
| 21:35.32 | factotum | sidjster: not funny |
| 21:35.40 | sidjster | sorry dude |
| 21:35.41 | pickcoder | I just had to do a new install b/c of a RAID problem |
| 21:35.51 | sidjster | i have issues |
| 21:36.13 | ewanm89 | sidjster: Maybe the kid will help! |
| 21:36.15 | bzed | martman: does ctrl+alt++ (+ on the numpad, - for back) work? |
| 21:36.23 | bzed | pickcoder: did you report the bug? |
| 21:36.32 | pickcoder | bzed: what bug?? I have no clue what the problem is! |
| 21:36.46 | pickcoder | all I know is that my machine POST beeps once and freezes |
| 21:36.54 | pickcoder | which is not normal |
| 21:36.58 | bzed | pickcoder: when does it happen? |
| 21:37.00 | factotum | she has so far, hen again shes 6 days olod, im sure that will change |
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| 21:37.08 | pickcoder | bzed: I'll have to look in the X logs |
| 21:37.09 | martman | bzed nope, doesnt do any of the new resoltions |
| 21:37.30 | sidjster | omg i just got sid and i cant use anything |
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| 21:37.38 | paulfm | howdy all |
| 21:37.40 | bzed | martman: did you change them for the colour depth you're using? |
| 21:37.46 | martman | bzed i can see 1024x768 listed in XF86Config-4 |
| 21:38.02 | sidjster | im using my mind to be in irc right now |
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| 21:38.21 | martman | bzed not sure i know what you mean |
| 21:38.44 | bzed | martman: you want to look into your /var/log/X.0.log or however that name was on sarge, probably X couldn;t figure out how to run all solutions |
| 21:38.49 | paulfm | can anyone tell me how I see what speed my ethernet card is running at... I ran ifconfig but there are no stats on "media" |
| 21:38.51 | bzed | *resolution |
| 21:39.40 | xand | paulfm: dmesg will probably say |
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| 21:39.56 | paulfm | xand: thanks - good point - Imma have a look |
| 21:40.01 | bzed | paulfm: dmesg | grep eth usually shows it |
| 21:40.13 | bzed | with a few stupid exceptions like the forcedepth driver :| |
| 21:40.33 | sidjster | what does this mean Warning: /proc/ide/hd?/settings interface is obsolete, and will be removed soon! |
| 21:40.43 | paulfm | bzed: thanks - thats what I did... looks like im at 100mbps |
| 21:41.01 | bzed | paulfm: mii-tool could help you, too |
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| 21:42.24 | ewanm89 | sidjster: it means it isn't needed for any official packages any more as something better is in use instead |
| 21:42.38 | valdyn | sidjster: nothing that concerns you really, means what it means |
| 21:42.42 | paulfm | so... if Im connected at 100mbps to a lan.. why would I get transfers as 2016kB/sec.. (+- 2mb/sec)... should I not have +- 10mb/sec for 100mbps LAN connection? |
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| 21:43.17 | paulfm | bzed: mii-tool = cool |
| 21:43.33 | valdyn | paulfm: depends on cabling, server / client resources / nic |
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| 21:43.51 | rfrank | hey guys, how to reinstall grub? |
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| 21:44.08 | rfrank | I was booting off netinst CD, chrooting into my install on HD, then running grub-install hd0 |
| 21:44.19 | paulfm | valdyn: ...well both machines in the transfer are running about 10% cpu... and both are at 100baseT connections into a 10/100 hub... |
| 21:44.20 | rfrank | is this correct? 'cause grub stll isn't working |
| 21:44.25 | Guerin | paulfm: it's more like 6-8 in real life |
| 21:44.31 | Guerin | paulfm: but 2 is still a bit low |
| 21:44.50 | Guerin | rfrank: what's not working about it? |
| 21:45.01 | rfrank | Guerin, grub still has an error and refuses to boot |
| 21:45.03 | paulfm | Guerin: yes - thats what I thought... I just cannot figure out why... the transfer is over SAMBA.... using smbclient |
| 21:45.09 | rfrank | Guerin, pretty sure its error 21? might be 22 |
| 21:45.14 | Guerin | rfrank: any particular error? |
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| 21:45.17 | Guerin | rfrank: be sure. |
| 21:45.22 | rfrank | Guerin, k |
| 21:45.29 | valdyn | paulfm: cat-5 cable? |
| 21:45.39 | valdyn | paulfm: crap switch ? |
| 21:45.51 | bzed | paulfm: probably just the other end is slow. samba is often pretty slow for me in general |
| 21:45.55 | rfrank | Guerin, GRUB loading, please wait .... / Error 21 |
| 21:46.11 | paulfm | valdyn: yup... maybe Ill replace the cables and try a different switch I have here.... |
| 21:46.12 | Guerin | paulfm: try benchmarking with something more robust - http, or even netcat |
| 21:46.24 | rfrank | by the way guys, with SCP I get about 2mb tx rate on a 10/100 lan |
| 21:46.41 | unlink | in /etc/udev/rules.d/020_permissions.rules i have SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", ATTRS{type}=="5", GROUP="cdrom" |
| 21:46.47 | Guerin | rfrank: yeah, scp's encryption is usually the slow bit |
| 21:46.52 | valdyn | rfrank: same deal as paulfm, scp shouldnt be that slow on a somewhat modern cpu |
| 21:46.56 | unlink | why is it that /dev/scd0 has the group "root"? |
| 21:46.57 | paulfm | bzed: yeah.... I tried usinf vsftp on the one machine and got very similar rate - pretty much the same actually |
| 21:47.22 | valdyn | rfrank: my p-M at 1,5ghz can saturate this easily |
| 21:47.22 | bzed | paulfm: sure that the other machine is fast enough? |
| 21:47.24 | paulfm | rfrank: Interesting - whith CPU/resources to spare? |
| 21:47.39 | unlink | $ udevinfo -a -p `udevinfo -q path -n /dev/scd0` | grep {type} ATTRS{type}=="5" |
| 21:47.57 | unlink | what am i missing here? |
| 21:48.00 | paulfm | bzed: yeah - the "slower" machine - fetching the file is at about 10% or CPU at its hightest during the xfer |
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| 21:48.27 | rfrank | well my CPU is an amd x2 4200+/1gb ddr2 - it was an xp machine with winSCP, server was an amd athlon 1800+ w/ 512mb |
| 21:48.30 | paulfm | Guerin: Ill check out netcat |
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| 21:48.58 | Guerin | rfrank: i've noticed winscp tops out much lower than real ssh clients, too |
| 21:49.21 | Guerin | rfrank: i only get ~300k/s over my 11MBit wlan here |
| 21:49.28 | Guerin | s/get/got/ |
| 21:49.32 | Supaplex | !640k |
| 21:49.32 | dpkg | Bill Gates personally assured me 640K should be enough for ANYONE! Yay Bill! |
| 21:49.43 | sidjster | so you can use either Initrd or initramfs are they two different ways to do the same thiong? |
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| 21:50.54 | Guerin | syes. |
| 21:50.58 | Guerin | sidjster: |
| 21:51.31 | sidjster | huh |
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| 21:51.53 | bzed | paulfm: probably you want to give a fast computer a try |
| 21:52.43 | paulfm | bzed: I guess so. What in your opinion would give the fastest xfer rates... SAMBA, FTP or HTTP? |
| 21:52.44 | x_link | pickcoder: Where did you get Debian Etch i686 ? |
| 21:53.01 | paulfm | Im going to make a 1gb file and transfer that for testing |
| 21:53.06 | valdyn | paulfm: that really shouldnt make a significant difference |
| 21:53.20 | paulfm | valdyn: great - as I suspected |
| 21:53.34 | rfrank | I've found that samba rates are much slower than ftp or http |
| 21:53.34 | Guerin | paulfm: http or ftp |
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| 21:53.51 | rfrank | also since samba doesn't support resumes or anything, it generally sucks for xfers |
| 21:53.53 | Guerin | paulfm: once the data connection is established it just squirts it on down the tubes |
| 21:54.01 | paulfm | I am using the built-in switch in a linksys wireless router... (ie piece of junk).... I have a small 8-posrt 10-100 switch... I am going to try that |
| 21:54.12 | xand | rfrank: only if you have a crap network |
| 21:54.15 | Guerin | actually, the only things samba has going for it are password auth and windows support |
| 21:54.34 | paulfm | Guerin: heheh...good analogy... (bad pun in my reply somewhere) |
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| 21:54.40 | rfrank | xand, well I guess someone took a shit on my network while I wasn't looking, dammit |
| 21:54.41 | Guerin | heh |
| 21:54.46 | rfrank | happened once this year already |
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| 21:55.11 | rfrank | I do have a belkin router an a dlink switch in the system so it realy is a crap network x_x |
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| 21:56.14 | paulfm | *plugging in different switch* |
| 21:56.20 | pinx | I need to recover the use of an SD card for my camers. The filesystem seems to have been corrupted and it's readable by the camera anymore. I have done mkfs -t vfat and chmod 777 for the device, but no good. Anyone got any ideas? |
| 21:56.40 | pinx | s/it's/it's not |
| 21:56.55 | Guerin | pinx: if that's not fixed it, it ain't the filesystem - likely the partition table |
| 21:57.20 | pinx | Guerin: hmm -- cfdisk doesn't like it either... |
| 21:57.22 | sepski | pinx, my epson camera have a format card function. |
| 21:57.23 | Guerin | pinx: try nuking it and putting a new one on with cfdisk - choose win95 (lba) or something as type |
| 21:57.26 | paulfm | tell me this - who makes good quality cat-5 cables... not like the compusa junk |
| 21:57.34 | Guerin | paulfm: try cfdisk -z |
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| 21:57.41 | Guerin | pinx: ↑ |
| 21:57.49 | pinx | k |
| 21:57.55 | Guerin | pinx: most cat5e is of acceptable quality |
| 21:57.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:58.00 | Guerin | paulfm: |
| 21:58.06 | pinx | lol |
| 21:58.27 | paulfm | Guerin: :-) |
| 21:58.52 | paulfm | .. hang on guys... just waiting for cfdisk -z to finish |
| 21:59.08 | paulfm | ..uh oh... blank screen |
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| 21:59.17 | paulfm | ..hmmm... I think its restarting |
| 21:59.32 | I-kido | the testing iso for AMD proc: amd64 or ia64? |
| 21:59.32 | paulfm | ...hmmm... thats weird.. insert boot disk? |
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| 21:59.40 | paulfm | ;-) |
| 21:59.47 | Guerin | heh |
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| 22:00.03 | orkid | i want to move from sarge 2.4 to 2.6. can i just install a 2.6 kernel image and be good?? or do i have to install udev/etc with it? |
| 22:00.20 | sepski | !2.4->2.6 |
| 22:00.21 | dpkg | well, 2.4->2.6 is easy - just "apt-cache search kernel-image 2.6" (linux-image in etch and sid, use your favorite apt front-end) and install the relevant package for your CPU(s). |
| 22:00.22 | paulfm | ...yeah... rm -rf / is a good place to start when looking for help |
| 22:00.26 | Guerin | orkid: just grab the kernel-image-2.6-whatever and it should just be magickal |
| 22:00.42 | valdyn | orkid: you need 2.6 for udev, not vice versa |
| 22:00.48 | orkid | good to hear, will do. |
| 22:00.56 | bzed | paulfm: ftp. |
| 22:01.06 | paulfm | bsed: huh? |
| 22:01.08 | orkid | i see. i thought devfs or whatever was installed by default in 2.4 was deprecated in 2.6 and would not work. |
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| 22:01.21 | bzed | paulfm: you've asked which protocol you be the fastest |
| 22:01.57 | paulfm | bzed: really... how can you tell its faster than http/samba? |
| 22:02.12 | valdyn | ftp being fast is a myth |
| 22:02.32 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 22:02.32 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 22:02.45 | cusco | doesn't the speed depends on the withd of the band? |
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| 22:03.47 | sidjster | udev replaces hotplug and devfs |
| 22:03.56 | Guerin | cusco: yes and no |
| 22:04.17 | Guerin | it would be more correct to say that it's limited to the width of the band, but can also be limited by other factors |
| 22:04.19 | orkid | ftp must live :) |
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| 22:04.55 | ewanm89 | surely duplex has an effect 10Mbps at Half duplex =5Mbps each way |
| 22:05.16 | paulfm | is there a different cable for Gigbit ethernet connection... Im assuming Cat5e wont work? |
| 22:05.21 | bzed | paulfm: well :) samba is just slow, so there's ftp and http... ftp was made for transferrig files, but a recent httpd is probably as fast as a ftpd. but in your case it should not matter, just don't use same |
| 22:05.27 | sidjster | udev wont boot onm 2.4 |
| 22:05.34 | abrotman | paulfm: depends on the cat5e cable |
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| 22:05.53 | bzed | abrotman: uh? a cat5e cable should be a cat5e cable ;) |
| 22:06.00 | paulfm | bzed: Yes - I agree - I am a fan of ftp - easy to setup, pretty secure (vsftp) |
| 22:06.01 | ewanm89 | paulfm: Usually you would use cat 6 |
| 22:06.02 | Arafangion | How do I setup my cups printer server to automatically export to the network? |
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| 22:06.35 | paulfm | ewanm89: Yes - I have just recently discovered cat6 |
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| 22:06.49 | orkid | so what's another fast file xfer protocol other rthan ftp? |
| 22:07.11 | paulfm | does anyone make like a more flexible cat5 cable - I hate the cheapo ultra stiff compusa junk |
| 22:07.18 | abrotman | bzed: they have different ratings .. and the ends can be done differently |
| 22:07.18 | x_link | Which DEbian ETch should I get? |
| 22:07.24 | x_link | i486 or 686 ? |
| 22:07.25 | orkid | of course paulfm |
| 22:07.31 | enouf | cat5e does GigE |
| 22:07.33 | sidjster | what ever you want link |
| 22:07.39 | orkid | dop you have a 486 or a 686+ ? |
| 22:07.39 | paulfm | orkid: where do I get em |
| 22:07.40 | abrotman | enouf: not always |
| 22:07.43 | sidjster | what processor do you have |
| 22:07.44 | orkid | ebay? |
| 22:07.46 | orkid | dunno paulfm |
| 22:07.51 | x_link | sidjster: I already have i486. So I should continue using it? |
| 22:07.53 | paulfm | heh.... that make 2 of us |
| 22:07.55 | abrotman | enouf: in theory .. but it can be screwed up |
| 22:08.04 | abrotman | x_link: what CPU is it ? |
| 22:08.06 | x_link | I thought that if I try a different one then I might not get that resolution error. |
| 22:08.11 | sidjster | im going to kill myself |
| 22:08.11 | x_link | abrotman: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ |
| 22:08.17 | abrotman | -k7 |
| 22:08.20 | sidjster | get k7 |
| 22:08.22 | orkid | use amd64 then :D |
| 22:08.23 | abrotman | unless the -k8 got into etch |
| 22:08.26 | enouf | abrotman: well yeah, duh ... that's what humans do .. they screw things up ;-) |
| 22:08.26 | sidjster | 2.6.189 k7 |
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| 22:08.32 | sidjster | 2.6.18k7 |
| 22:08.34 | x_link | orkid: hehe no. |
| 22:08.36 | pinx | Guerin: cfdisk -z gave me an error "...re-read table failed..." and camera says it's write protected |
| 22:08.38 | x_link | sidjster: I will try to find it on google. |
| 22:08.40 | x_link | Thanks! |
| 22:08.50 | bzed | abrotman: uh? cat5e is defined in TIA/EIA-568-B.2-2001, and they should be pretty much the same and work well for gbit |
| 22:08.58 | bzed | abrotman: on less than 90m |
| 22:09.31 | sidjster | unless someone eles has different advise |
| 22:09.46 | abrotman | bzed: qualifications! |
| 22:09.49 | Guerin | pinx: Ok. Are you trying to mount it as a sd or a mmc card? Because They're actually dual-mode, but sd encryption is impossible to implement in free software, so it'll only work in mmc mode. |
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| 22:10.16 | pinx | Guerin: it's mountinf from /dev/sda1 |
| 22:10.30 | abrotman | bzed: what if they don't wire all four pairs correctly ? |
| 22:10.55 | pinx | Guerin: that's what it comes up as with hotplug |
| 22:11.08 | Guerin | pinx: yes, but you may not be able to read from/write to it if it's encrypted |
| 22:11.15 | bzed | abrotman: ok, that's more a connector issue than a cbale issue from my point of view |
| 22:11.36 | abrotman | bzed: i said that above :) |
| 22:11.42 | Guerin | pinx: i've no experience with them personally, i just know this from doing my won camera research |
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| 22:11.55 | abrotman | bzed: and IIRC .. there used to be shoddy 5e out there that wouldn't do Gb |
| 22:11.55 | Guerin | the result of which I can summarise as `buy Nikon' |
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| 22:12.04 | pinx | Guerin: it used to work - but I copied froma windows machine onto it. Iw as able to read it in Deb, but the camera doesn't like it anymore |
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| 22:12.12 | Guerin | pinx: oh, ok. |
| 22:12.25 | Guerin | pinx: i guess it might be dead. See what a windows box says about it? |
| 22:12.27 | pinx | Guerin: it *is* a nikon ;-) |
| 22:12.48 | Guerin | pinx: they started putting SD cards into Nikon cameras? |
| 22:12.53 | Guerin | BAH, the bastards |
| 22:13.02 | bzed | abrotman: sure, there' always crap out there. I'm sure you can get cat7 which is worse than cat5 if you look around in china ;) |
| 22:13.05 | abrotman | as opposed to? CF? |
| 22:13.10 | Guerin | abrotman: yes. |
| 22:13.13 | pinx | Guerin: it's an old coolpix 7600 |
| 22:13.13 | abrotman | bzed: you proved my point! |
| 22:13.24 | damn | what does "leather so soft" mean? |
| 22:13.37 | Guerin | pinx: hm, i have a 7500. Survived a fall off the great wall of china (with me attached) |
| 22:13.39 | bzed | damn: you're looking for #bdsm ? |
| 22:13.58 | pinx | Guerin: I'll plug it into a wndoz box someday ...... |
| 22:14.06 | bzed | abrotman: but for short distances the connector matters more than the cable imho |
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| 22:14.22 | abrotman | bzed: yep |
| 22:14.39 | x_link | Could somebody give me the url for Debian Etch i686 K7 |
| 22:14.45 | x_link | I really can't find it on the debian.org site. |
| 22:14.46 | abrotman | !d-i x_link |
| 22:14.47 | dpkg | x_link, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:14.50 | abrotman | second URL |
| 22:14.56 | x_link | abrotman: Thanks ALOT man! |
| 22:15.04 | bzed | x_link: wtf do you want with the installer |
| 22:15.09 | Guerin | !alot |
| 22:15.09 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 22:15.10 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 22:15.26 | bzed | x_link: you have a debian installed, you need to configure it, not to install it again, you're NOT using windows |
| 22:15.31 | enouf | !noone |
| 22:15.31 | dpkg | me thinks 'Noone' is a character (Buddy Noone) in a bad Clint Eastwood movie (Bloodline or someshit) .. it's not a word! .. so stop using it as such please! Also; ***noone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean I do. |
| 22:15.46 | bzed | !pr0n |
| 22:15.47 | dpkg | it has been said that pr0n is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu, or http://www.pornolize.com/pornolize4?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org&submit=Translate, or see pr0n.sf.net |
| 22:15.51 | x_link | bzed: I know.. but when I don't know how to do, then I must do it like this |
| 22:15.58 | x_link | Til I learn it |
| 22:15.59 | abrotman | !dict noone |
| 22:16.01 | dpkg | could not find definition for noone |
| 22:16.04 | bzed | x_link: it won;t help you much |
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| 22:16.12 | screaming_flower | i'm having trouble getting a debian live CD. Here is the link I am starting from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Download However, when I click those, there is a not found server error |
| 22:16.18 | orkid | arg, reboot in progress. hopefully 2.6.8 will come up no pro! |
| 22:16.20 | bzed | x_link: dpkg-reconfgure xserver-xorg is what you're looking for |
| 22:16.35 | bzed | x_link: and you want to describe your problem, then somebody can help you |
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| 22:16.48 | Guerin | screaming_flower: google |
| 22:16.55 | x_link | bzed: I want to burn a new cd |
| 22:16.58 | sidjster | man totem sounds good |
| 22:17.15 | x_link | bzed: I know.. but my english is not that good. So I can't explain myself that good. |
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| 22:17.22 | x_link | I'm sorry for bothering this much. |
| 22:17.33 | bzed | x_link: you don't even try it :\ |
| 22:17.33 | x_link | But after I installed it I will not ask this much again. |
| 22:17.39 | sidjster | now im starting to feel bad for him |
| 22:17.41 | screaming_flower | thanks guerin |
| 22:17.50 | x_link | bzed: I tried to configure xserver 5 times for 15 minutes ago. |
| 22:18.00 | x_link | abrotman: None of those says i686 k7 |
| 22:18.00 | orkid | woot woot 2.6.8 baby :) |
| 22:18.05 | bzed | x_link: what was the result? and what's your original issue? |
| 22:18.07 | sidjster | what happens when you reconfigure x |
| 22:18.09 | orkid | thanks guys. i was a bit worried that it would not come back up |
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| 22:18.11 | abrotman | x_link: no kidding .. get the i386 .. |
| 22:18.27 | x_link | abrotman: Ok.... |
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| 22:18.46 | x_link | That's the one I already have |
| 22:18.51 | x_link | But I will give it a shoot. |
| 22:18.53 | x_link | Thanks alot |
| 22:18.53 | bzed | x_link: it can;t say i686 k7 :) |
| 22:19.04 | bzed | x_link: i686 was made by intel, and k7 is from amd |
| 22:19.15 | x_link | But i don't find k7 either =) |
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| 22:19.31 | abrotman | x_link: no kidding .. get the i386 .. |
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| 22:19.54 | x_link | abrotman: I know... |
| 22:20.01 | bzed | x_link: install kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 22:20.05 | sidjster | are you on debian right noiw link |
| 22:20.11 | x_link | sidjster: Kubuntu live cd. |
| 22:20.20 | x_link | bzed: Ahh.. when I have installed it I should do that command? |
| 22:20.31 | bzed | x_link: which command? |
| 22:20.38 | sidjster | linkl this isnt going to work |
| 22:20.42 | abrotman | x_link: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 22:20.43 | bzed | x_link: i still don;t know what your problem is and why you want to install a new kernel |
| 22:20.47 | x_link | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-k7 ? |
| 22:20.47 | sidjster | im sorry man |
| 22:20.57 | sidjster | liunux-hjnmj |
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| 22:21.18 | bzed | is it linux-image now!? sorry, haven't installed debian kernels since ages |
| 22:21.27 | x_link | hrmm I will just install it again, then I will come back here. |
| 22:21.30 | tyreth | How do I reinstall a package, getting it to run the configuration questions it does the first time? |
| 22:21.35 | x_link | Maybe somebody can help me fix everything |
| 22:21.42 | bzed | tyreth: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 22:21.46 | Guerin | !fix x_link |
| 22:21.50 | paulfm | I have a problem... I have clients on a LAN that need to periodically get network sw updates... what if the server ip is dynamically assigned... isthere a way for the LAN clients to find the server even if the iP changes.. ie 192.168.1.100 or 102 etc |
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| 22:22.08 | x_link | Guerin: hehe |
| 22:22.18 | abrotman | paulfm: nmbd |
| 22:22.18 | x_link | I wish I knew as MUCH as you guys know. |
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| 22:22.20 | valdyn | paulfm: a dns server |
| 22:22.26 | bzed | paulfm: uh, tell your dhcpd to give a fixed ip out for that serer |
| 22:22.27 | x_link | That would be a dream coming true. |
| 22:22.27 | tyreth | thanks |
| 22:22.34 | justin | paulfm: uh, why do you have a server that has a dynamic ip? |
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| 22:22.38 | abrotman | x_link: you have a sad life :) |
| 22:22.46 | valdyn | abrotman: yea =/ |
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| 22:22.49 | x_link | abrotman: hehe no |
| 22:23.00 | x_link | abrotman: But I REALLY want to know Linux better |
| 22:23.13 | x_link | abrotman: I didn't mean it like that. But I would be REALLY glad aboutit. |
| 22:23.14 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 22:23.14 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 22:23.30 | paulfm | Justin: well - the "server" really is a different machine.. not always the same machine... and not always in the same location |
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| 22:25.18 | paulfm | valdyn: well what if the "server" gets its IP form different dhcp servers... unknown.... to I can config them - the server would be using different isps... in different locaitons |
| 22:25.24 | x_link | brb |
| 22:25.26 | x_link | installing deibna |
| 22:25.27 | bzed | okay.. now a bit weird question... if you have an inactive windows box in your network, active enough to make sure that it's arp address is dropped from your linux box' arp cache, and if you ping the windows box - will it's mac be back in the arp cache, although the windows firewall has dropped the icmp packet? I assume yes :) |
| 22:25.45 | bzed | paulfm: use dyndns |
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| 22:26.01 | bzed | paulfm: like dyndns.org |
| 22:26.31 | justin | bzed: the firewall works at layer3, not layer2 |
| 22:26.32 | bzed | paulfm: or one of those other 1000 services. I think ex-iupdate is the packet you want to install to use them |
| 22:26.56 | justin | bzed: it needs to respond to the arp request before it can decide if it wants to drop the packet or not |
| 22:27.10 | orkid | so, say i did a resize_reiserfs -s -30G /dev/hda9 how do i know how to cahnge the partition table to suit? |
| 22:27.26 | bzed | justin: true |
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| 22:28.13 | Thms | where are the SSH connections logs ? |
| 22:28.17 | bzed | justin: I've though about arping to test if a computer is still around, but it doesn;t seem to work on a bridge interface O_o not sure why, though |
| 22:28.29 | pickcoder | Thms: normally auth.log |
| 22:28.45 | bzed | Thms: if you want a log of the client, run with ssh -vvv |
| 22:29.30 | orkid | how do i know the size of an FS in a partition? (I just resized it to be smaller) |
| 22:30.34 | streuner | orkid: fdisk -l |
| 22:31.09 | paulfm | bzed: hmmm... But can I config dyndns to dole out local LAN ips.. like 192.168.0.x or 10.0.0.x |
| 22:31.17 | paulfm | bzed: thanks - Ill take a look |
| 22:31.45 | bzed | paulfm: it'll usually use your external IP |
| 22:31.48 | paulfm | thats why I was using samba - as I can name the server a static NETBIOS name... and lcal clients can find it without dns |
| 22:32.09 | orkid | streuner, but that's the current part table. i did an FS resize.... so how do i know the new size? (perhaps through df?) |
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| 22:32.14 | paulfm | bzed: but will that cause slower xfer rates because now Im really using the "net" for xfers instead of LAN? |
| 22:32.17 | bzed | paulfm: there's still the dhcp way. netbios names do not need to be static, somebody else could use it, too |
| 22:32.30 | pinx | Guerin: I'm doing cfdisk -z on this camera card withou mounting it, and then mounting it to chmod -R 777. Is that right? |
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| 22:34.08 | paulfm | bzed: but for dhcp - I will be using different dhcp servers for the ips whenever I change location... possibly in a hotel room etc... so I cannot edit the config |
| 22:34.57 | streuner | paulfm: sounds like you need to take a look into examples (interfaces) (/msg dpkg interfaces) |
| 22:35.31 | kraypius | i need to speak with an op about somthing in private |
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| 22:35.44 | bzed | paulfm: well... I think I can see your problem. even hardcoding a fixed IP won't help you then |
| 22:35.44 | abrotman | kraypius: op of this channel or of freenode ? |
| 22:35.46 | streuner | kraypius: what kind of problem? |
| 22:35.55 | kraypius | of this channel |
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| 22:36.12 | abrotman | kraypius: wait for one to come around .. haven't seen one in about 30 minutes or so though |
| 22:36.29 | abrotman | anything in particular you'd like to talk about ? |
| 22:36.43 | itchi | Hello my lovely #debian |
| 22:37.05 | kraypius | i want to suggest beta testing something in this char that some friends and I coded |
| 22:37.12 | kraypius | chat* |
| 22:37.13 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 22:37.15 | streuner | kraypius: a ban reason? |
| 22:37.17 | abrotman | another bot ? |
| 22:37.38 | bzed | more or less holes than supybot? |
| 22:38.36 | kraypius | its a bot that relays commands you supply in the chat to a shell and spits the results back to the channel.. also supports user input for programs and support for ctrl+ commands, enter, escape. I was thinking it could be run on a live cd and used to help explain things |
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| 22:39.00 | jelly-home | ah |
| 22:39.02 | abrotman | sounds like a good thing to abuse |
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| 22:39.08 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:39.11 | dendrite | kraypius: as in rm * ? |
| 22:39.12 | kraypius | cant really abuse a live cd |
| 22:39.16 | jelly-home | dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.28-4-686 |
| 22:39.17 | dpkg | ii linux-image-2.6.28-4-686 2.9-13 jelly-home's private porn collection |
| 22:39.33 | jelly-home | kraypius: like that? |
| 22:39.40 | abrotman | kraypius: you can abuse the commands you feed it |
| 22:39.49 | kraypius | user access can be implimented |
| 22:39.58 | abrotman | it could still be abused |
| 22:40.00 | bzed | kraypius: how to validate the users? |
| 22:40.11 | streuner | kraypius: why this channel and not any other? |
| 22:40.18 | bzed | kraypius: an irc chat is the absolutely wrong place for any kind of remote control imho |
| 22:40.27 | itchi | jelly-home: Can i fetch it? :-) |
| 22:40.34 | bzed | except you wanna run a bot-net :| |
| 22:40.35 | jelly-home | bzed: botnet owners don't think so! |
| 22:40.35 | kraypius | well if anyone was seen attempting to abuse it action could be taken |
| 22:40.42 | abrotman | kraypius: maybe try a less traffic channel |
| 22:40.43 | streuner | itchi: just use what he did ;-) |
| 22:40.48 | bzed | jelly-home: yeah, more fun for me :P |
| 22:40.51 | itchi | hehe |
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| 22:41.11 | kraypius | how would someone abuse it anyway? |
| 22:41.16 | bzed | dpkg -L foobar |
| 22:41.17 | dpkg | ii foobar 3.2-2 bzed's private porn collection |
| 22:41.17 | abrotman | fork bomb for one |
| 22:41.25 | bzed | kraypius: rm -rf / |
| 22:41.28 | kraypius | so what.. its a live cd |
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| 22:41.31 | paulfm | bzed: thanks for the input. I think I have it working using samba... hopefully |
| 22:41.34 | abrotman | and that's the end of your bot |
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| 22:41.40 | bzed | kraypius: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 22:41.40 | kraypius | who cares |
| 22:42.00 | kraypius | there is no hd |
| 22:42.18 | jelly-home | kraypius: well, you can always implement it on a test channel and see what happens |
| 22:42.23 | Hoxzer | DOnt worry be happy |
| 22:42.25 | dendrite | kraypius: echo "You must die" | mail president.us.a |
| 22:42.28 | bzed | kraypius: then I'm gonna attack the pentagon from your machine :D |
| 22:42.47 | kraypius | that would be silly to do.. everyone would see you do it |
| 22:42.55 | abrotman | kraypius: the bot doesn't work in /msg ? |
| 22:42.59 | kraypius | no |
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| 22:43.05 | abrotman | there are hundreds of people in here every day .. |
| 22:43.11 | dendrite | kraypius: The real point is that creating a barn sized security hole in a system... Why would anyone do that? |
| 22:43.23 | abrotman | a person could join here on tor .. send mail to the president .. and you'd never be able tofind them |
| 22:43.30 | kraypius | because its a system that doesnt matter.. its for learning purposes |
| 22:43.47 | dendrite | kraypius: All 'net connected systems matter. |
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| 22:44.03 | bzed | kraypius: first thing to learn is to put somthing like that not into a network with access to the world |
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| 22:44.18 | kraypius | then i could setup a rule in my firewall to block everything but irc |
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| 22:44.54 | kraypius | then would it be acceptable? |
| 22:44.55 | dendrite | kraypius: As you can already see, you're just going to keep adding bandaids, until you can't even see your original idea. |
| 22:44.58 | bzed | kraypius: would be just a matter of time until your firewall would be owned. what you could do is to use a serial console to connect to a machine runnign your livecd |
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| 22:45.06 | heiner | how could I list and change MP3 IDv2 tags from the command line? |
| 22:45.08 | clincks | Hi all |
| 22:45.26 | abrotman | heiner: apt-cache search mp3 tag |
| 22:45.29 | kraypius | nobodys gonna own the firewall |
| 22:45.48 | heiner | abrotman: I did do that already, but didn't find a suitable package |
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| 22:45.51 | bzed | heiner: mp3info is my favourite tool, but there're a lot mor. amarok rocks if you want somethign in kde ;) |
| 22:45.59 | rfrank | ok, I have no damned idea wtf is wrong with freakin grub. I removed all devices except 1 hd from devices.map and everything from menu.lst besides the one operating system on the one disk, and yet it still has managed to have error 21. |
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| 22:46.24 | heiner | bzed: I use mp3info, too, but it does not handle ID3v2 tags (only ID3v1) |
| 22:46.25 | kraypius | whatev if u guys dont wanna try it then whatev. thought u might like |
| 22:46.28 | itchi | When we do some search on the dpkg's bot, and he tell Factoid search of 'files' by value (15 of 390) how can i get the next results? (supybot have a function 'more' that then would be display the next results) |
| 22:46.48 | jelly-home | kraypius: okay. Assume you give access to an unnetworked Debian machine, via serial port or something. How does this bothelp a typical user here? |
| 22:46.55 | abrotman | !flw51 is <reply><kraypius> nobodys gonna own the firewall |
| 22:46.55 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 22:46.59 | dendrite | kraypius: Don't take the discussion here to mean we don't like, it's just that there are more questions than answers, eh? |
| 22:47.04 | heiner | id3v2(1) looked good, but somehow I cannot set comments in a file |
| 22:47.09 | streuner | itchi: nobody knows ;-) |
| 22:47.15 | kraypius | ive given you all the answers |
| 22:47.19 | bzed | heiner: id3v2 then |
| 22:47.29 | abrotman | kraypius: find an op and run it by them |
| 22:47.31 | kraypius | the usefullness is showing someone how to do something rather then telling them |
| 22:47.42 | eguzkia | how can i resolv this: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:47.45 | itchi | streuner: hhm, that feature of supybot is very useful, shit that i not know about perl |
| 22:47.46 | bzed | heiner: eyed3 |
| 22:47.51 | streuner | itchi: this feature isn't implentated into blootbot, and as long nobody cares you are out of luck |
| 22:47.53 | abrotman | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 22:47.53 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 22:48.26 | heiner | help, eye3d needs python ... |
| 22:48.33 | bzed | lol so what? :D |
| 22:48.37 | bzed | py rocks |
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| 22:48.54 | itchi | heiner: Install it and have fun! :-) |
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| 22:49.13 | pinx | I have some wierdness here with an SD camera card in a USB car-reader. chmod a+rwx -v is telling me that it has done that, but ls -al shows no change. Any ideas anyone? |
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| 22:50.02 | eguzkia | how can resolv it : W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid Release: Le seguenti firme non sono state verificate perchè la chiave pubblica non è disponibile: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 22:50.13 | bzed | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 22:50.14 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 22:50.18 | bzed | eguzkia: ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 22:50.30 | jelly-home | kraypius: yeah, but users have all sorts of installed packages and problems. Can you provide an example where showing both a command ane the result is radically better than just showing the command, or pastebining the command+output by yourself? |
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| 22:52.24 | bzed | anybody using arpwatch here? which kind of database is the db it maintains? anything which would be useable form other programs? |
| 22:52.49 | kraypius | jelly, use your imagination |
| 22:53.02 | jelly-home | kraypius: show me, it's your project :-) |
| 22:53.03 | justin | bzed: try netdisco |
| 22:53.11 | dendrite | kraypius: Users with problems are notorious for a lack of imagination. |
| 22:53.38 | kraypius | its not up to me what situation its used in |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | it's your freaking bot |
| 22:53.58 | kraypius | yeah.. for use by other people |
| 22:54.02 | crazy_penguin | Good night! |
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| 22:54.08 | dendrite | kraypius: s/use/abuse/ |
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| 22:54.31 | kraypius | abuse can be prevented.. so forget this notion of abuse |
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| 22:54.42 | jelly-home | kraypius: well, if you can't explain its usefulness, you can't expect a channel op to accept such a feat. |
| 22:54.54 | kraypius | i already explained it |
| 22:54.55 | dendrite | kraypius: Nobody in their right mind is going to "forget this notion of abuse." |
| 22:55.20 | dendrite | kraypius: Start your own channel. |
| 22:55.28 | kraypius | you type a command, you see the result |
| 22:55.38 | dendrite | kraypius: Set it up there, and invite folks to try it. |
| 22:55.49 | jelly-home | kraypius: that's what it does. Not why it's useful. |
| 22:56.05 | kraypius | i am testing it in my own channel right now.. but i wouldnt let anyone else use it yet its not on a live cd at the moment |
| 22:56.27 | abrotman | do they have root perms? or just user perms ? |
| 22:56.35 | kraypius | just perms |
| 22:56.42 | kraypius | if i wanted it could have root |
| 22:56.43 | abrotman | root or user |
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| 22:56.54 | kraypius | user atm |
| 22:57.04 | abrotman | so i can't really feed it any command ... |
| 22:57.13 | jelly-home | kraypius: dunno, implement it, put it in #test or somewhere when it's ready and ask people to test it. |
| 22:57.15 | kraypius | why not? |
| 22:57.30 | kraypius | i can run it as root if i want |
| 22:57.35 | abrotman | any command in sbin will die a horrible death |
| 22:57.38 | dendrite | kraypius: Well, many issues here involve people trying to fix stuff that requires root. |
| 22:57.48 | bzed | justin: hmm. probably i should explain what I'm looking for: I want to write a simple authentication daemon for a laptop gateway where users need to auth once via a simple http page. too make it easy for them, I want to maintain a database of ip/mac tuples. machines which were not active for 15 minutes will be (arp)pinged to check if they're still alive, if not, they'll get the auth removed |
| 22:58.01 | kraypius | well yeah i would run it as root for use in a room |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | so then it could be destroyed |
| 22:58.15 | dendrite | kraypius: Build it, maybe they will come? |
| 22:58.26 | kraypius | well i have an idea about that too |
| 22:58.26 | abrotman | it could even be subverted |
| 22:58.39 | jelly-home | kraypius: you could set it up in a virtual enviroment, give it cpu and mem. limits and have a safe snapshot. |
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| 22:59.00 | kraypius | i was thinking maybe ill code it so that i can assign some operators.. and those operators can assign operators. so a trusted circle of helpers get access |
| 22:59.08 | dendrite | abrotman: The possibility of subversion is the one that bothers me most, actually. |
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| 22:59.29 | jelly-home | dendrite: meh, who cares if it's limited to one machine |
| 22:59.34 | abrotman | kraypius: and then one bad operator kills it |
| 22:59.41 | abrotman | jelly-home: it can still do bad things |
| 22:59.51 | kraypius | one bad operator kills it, so what.. 5 minutes and its back up again |
| 22:59.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: like what? |
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| 23:00.10 | dendrite | jelly-home: Like attacking other hosts? |
| 23:00.27 | itchi | kraypius: You never saw a f* script kiddie |
| 23:00.31 | kraypius | firewall rules should take care of that |
| 23:00.33 | abrotman | stupidbot: sleep 20 && spamthedamnchannel |
| 23:00.34 | jelly-home | dendrite: don't network it then |
| 23:00.46 | dendrite | jelly-home: Except for that little detail about being an irc bot... |
| 23:00.51 | jelly-home | dendrite: so? |
| 23:01.23 | abrotman | stupidbot: echo "obscureperl" > myscriptthatdoesbadthingsinIRC |
| 23:01.24 | jelly-home | dendrite: come on, the bot does i/o to the virtual machine and has no privileges. Anyone can think of tha. |
| 23:01.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: he said it would ahve root |
| 23:01.34 | dendrite | jelly-home: In my admittedly limited experience, irc bots need network connectivity. |
| 23:01.36 | bzed | justin: I think I'll just use scapy. I'm coding in py anyway |
| 23:01.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes. I don't see the problem with that if correctly designed. |
| 23:02.06 | abrotman | it has root! |
| 23:02.19 | justin | bzed: netdisco logs to a sql database, very easy to interface with it from python |
| 23:02.24 | itchi | root root prout prout |
| 23:02.30 | kraypius | well i have it running in #shellbot |
| 23:02.30 | h3sp4wn | root in a xen or uml is not a problem |
| 23:02.44 | kraypius | but its +m in there of course |
| 23:02.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: sure, it can have anything in the virtual machine, but it's only connection to the world is an unpriviledged process. |
| 23:03.02 | jelly-home | abrotman: done via pipe/socket. |
| 23:03.09 | abrotman | so what? |
| 23:03.14 | abrotman | it can still wreak havoc here |
| 23:03.21 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah, so? |
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| 23:04.01 | bzed | justin: aah, that would work, too. thanks a lot! |
| 23:04.08 | jelly-home | abrotman: the most damage it can do, afaict, is flood the channel. You can stop that in that unprivileged irc connecting process. |
| 23:04.14 | abrotman | jelly-home: don't we have enough problems with bots in here |
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| 23:04.15 | abrotman | ? |
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| 23:04.28 | jelly-home | abrotman: irrelevant. |
| 23:04.28 | x_link | hrmm I got the same problem now as well |
| 23:04.31 | x_link | Just installed debian. |
| 23:04.39 | x_link | My reslution is on 680x460 |
| 23:04.46 | abrotman | kraypius: you have a ulimit on your channel |
| 23:04.48 | justin | x_link: 640x480 |
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| 23:04.53 | amphi | !drxx x_link |
| 23:04.53 | dpkg | x_link: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:04.56 | kraypius | oops |
| 23:05.04 | x_link | Some people told me that they could choose which resulotion they want during the Debian Etch installation |
| 23:05.12 | kraypius | #shellbot |
| 23:05.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'm saying the idea is feasible with no security issues, except on the virtual machine itself. |
| 23:05.16 | kraypius | removed it |
| 23:05.16 | x_link | justin: Yeah... sorry |
| 23:05.45 | x_link | amphi: I don't know what to answear on every question. Some of them that I don't know.. |
| 23:06.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: what I don't see is why would it be useful here. |
| 23:06.06 | abrotman | kraypius: i don't have voice either |
| 23:06.11 | abrotman | jelly-home: besides that :) |
| 23:06.14 | dendrite | kraypius: I did a similar thing on a web page once. |
| 23:06.16 | dendrite | ISP wouldn't give shell, so I coded it up in CGI... |
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| 23:06.43 | abrotman | kraypius: that bot wouldn't last two seconds .. it's flooding its own channel |
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| 23:07.26 | abrotman | kraypius: none of us have voice to talk in there |
| 23:07.33 | clincks | I'm triyng to install a ssh on my "new" server |
| 23:07.43 | clincks | it work... but |
| 23:07.46 | clincks | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.46 | clincks | 20 |
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| 23:08.07 | clincks | What is wrong??? |
| 23:08.25 | anapivirtua_ | Night all. |
| 23:08.30 | justin | clincks: ssh-copy-id is just a little script, try reading it |
| 23:08.32 | clincks | hi |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | kraypius: voice!!! |
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| 23:08.48 | Isaac_Newbton | can anyone tell whats the font used in the kde konsole on that screenshot: http://www.id.unizh.ch/dl/schulung/Schulungsraeume/y01f49/kde.jpg and if it's available in some font package in debian, or where to get it anywhere? |
| 23:09.06 | x_link | Resolutions that will be used by xserver-xorg |
| 23:09.09 | clincks | how to locate this script??? |
| 23:09.14 | abrotman | kraypius: right .. be we can't even have a conversation in there |
| 23:09.18 | bzed | justin: I assume you know scapy? ;) |
| 23:09.19 | x_link | Should I choose the one that I want to use there or which ones I can choose between? |
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| 23:09.45 | jelly-home | kraypius: I'd redesign it so that the bot only connected to a socket/pipe, and the rest could be run in a virtual machine. You could have a serial console for the virtual machine on irc. |
| 23:09.55 | dendrite | kraypius: Why not just code the bot to only accept commands from special users? |
| 23:09.59 | clincks | justin, how to locate this script??? |
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| 23:10.16 | dendrite | kraypius: At least for testing stages... |
| 23:10.17 | Cray | yo sup |
| 23:10.28 | Cray | i'd just like to start off by saying DEBIAN RULES! |
| 23:10.36 | Cray | ubuntu and gentoo are posers. |
| 23:10.36 | x_link | Anybody |
| 23:10.37 | x_link | ? |
| 23:10.38 | justin | clincks: which |
| 23:10.44 | justin | bzed: I have played around with it before |
| 23:10.45 | clincks | justin, tks |
| 23:10.47 | Cray | x_link: what was your question? |
| 23:10.56 | x_link | Resolutions that will be used by xserver-xorg |
| 23:11.06 | x_link | Is it there I choose the resolution that I want to use? |
| 23:11.19 | x_link | Or is that where I choose which resolutions I can choose between later? |
| 23:11.31 | Cray | x_link: oops, sorry- i have no idea |
| 23:11.31 | itchi | Cray: What's ubuntu? :-) |
| 23:11.32 | jelly-home | kraypius: it's a nice idea, but would need a separate #flood -ish channel anyway. |
| 23:11.40 | x_link | ok |
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| 23:12.26 | bzed | kraypius: runthe bot in a kvm machine which emulates the serial console via stdin/out ;) |
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| 23:13.15 | x_link | Method to choose the monitors properties |
| 23:13.19 | x_link | Simple, Medium, Advanced |
| 23:13.21 | norbert_ | hi all, question: is there an easy way to 'extract' a legal .iso file to a harddisk? |
| 23:13.23 | x_link | What should I choose there? |
| 23:13.32 | bzed | kraypius: unse -snapshot and just delete the snapshot when restarting |
| 23:13.40 | jelly-home | abrotman: do your worst! :-) |
| 23:13.48 | Cray | x_link: i'm not sure what your situation is, but i've always chosen simple |
| 23:13.53 | bzed | norbert_: mount -o loop foo.iso somedirectory |
| 23:13.54 | x_link | ok |
| 23:13.58 | x_link | bzed: What do you think? |
| 23:13.59 | abrotman | heh |
| 23:14.24 | bzed | x_link: usually simple will just work. you can edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with an editor later, so it doesn;t matter much |
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| 23:14.33 | x_link | ok |
| 23:14.48 | norbert_ | bzed: thanks a lot |
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| 23:15.18 | x_link | So... |
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| 23:15.28 | x_link | Now I will reboot and really hope that it will work. |
| 23:15.39 | x_link | But now when i reboot X I will loose my mouse cursor =( |
| 23:15.43 | bzed | stop |
| 23:15.43 | x_link | brb |
| 23:15.48 | bzed | x_link: no need to reboot |
| 23:15.48 | x_link | bzed: Me? |
| 23:15.50 | bzed | yes |
| 23:15.51 | x_link | ok |
| 23:15.59 | x_link | I'm in GNOME now =/ |
| 23:16.06 | x_link | I want to use KDE. Just finished the download. |
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| 23:16.13 | bzed | x_link: go to a console and run /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 23:16.20 | clincks | what is $GET_ID ??? |
| 23:16.22 | x_link | ok |
| 23:16.38 | x_link | bzed: you mean /etc/init.d/kdm restart? |
| 23:16.44 | x_link | ahh o.. gdm right |
| 23:16.57 | x_link | brb then |
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| 23:17.19 | clincks | I know nothing about bash shell |
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| 23:17.22 | abrotman | jelly-home: how am i doing ? |
| 23:17.33 | clincks | What mean $GET_ID please |
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| 23:18.06 | quinlan | are there up-to-date clamav packages anywhere for Debian 3.1? |
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| 23:18.39 | clincks | justin, ??? |
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| 23:19.49 | bzed | quinlan: probably on backports.org |
| 23:20.14 | bzed | quinlan: but freshclam seems to work, my sarge boxes seem to find most of the viruses without a problem |
| 23:20.33 | quinlan | bzed: I keep getting the stupid warning about out-of-date libraries |
| 23:20.36 | quinlan | but it does work |
| 23:20.50 | abrotman | dendrite: i get a prize! |
| 23:20.58 | Cray | yo abrotman |
| 23:21.00 | bosko | I am trying to install ATI Radeon drivers for my Debian etch install .. looking around, I havent been able to find much info. Currently I'm using vesa drivers .. anyone have any tips on where to go? |
| 23:21.01 | Cray | ltns |
| 23:21.04 | abrotman | hi |
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| 23:21.29 | bzed | quinlan: yeah, there're new versions in backports.org. probably you want to use them :) either add backports.org to your sources or get them from their pool |
| 23:21.40 | Cray | abrotman: how you been? it's been about 5 years since i've been here, if i recall |
| 23:21.53 | abrotman | it has ? |
| 23:21.57 | abrotman | i haven't been here that long |
| 23:21.59 | quinlan | bzed: hmmm I just tried that but it didn't find them |
| 23:21.59 | noseman | hello, how i refresh the list of usb devices? |
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| 23:22.25 | bzed | quinlan: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/c/clamav/ |
| 23:22.50 | bzed | noseman: it's automatically refreshed when you plug something in/out. or which list do you mean? |
| 23:22.51 | Cray | abrotman: i'm certain you were here in '01 |
| 23:23.02 | abrotman | maybe 03 |
| 23:23.08 | Cray | no, i wasnt here in 03 |
| 23:23.18 | bzed | noseman: update-usbids << run that if some device names are missing |
| 23:23.19 | abrotman | maybe i was for a bit .. i don't remember |
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| 23:23.41 | Cray | at least 02 |
| 23:23.43 | Cray | late 02 |
| 23:23.45 | noseman | bzed: i pluged my pen and lsusb only show the mice |
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| 23:23.59 | clincks | I still have a problem when I try configure ssh on my server |
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| 23:24.27 | clincks | I get this error: home:/usr/bin# ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/clincks_key.pub root@home.clinckart.com |
| 23:24.30 | jelly-home | abrotman, kraypius: I wonder what would happen with a curses based app, is a tty allocated? |
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| 23:24.55 | clincks | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.26 | clincks | verry less hit on google |
| 23:25.31 | clincks | hits* |
| 23:26.17 | jelly-home | clincks: you didn't paste the error, only your command |
| 23:26.30 | bzed | clincks: that's a progra and how you'd run it. what's the problem? |
| 23:27.34 | kraypius | it works with ncurses but we still need to code it to strip out extra characters |
| 23:27.35 | jelly-home | abrotman, kraypius: also, what happens when you exit the shell? :-) |
| 23:27.42 | clincks | I just past the command ssh-copy-id -i .ssh/clincks_key.pub root@home.clinckart.com and get error: /usr/bin/ssh-copy-id: ERROR: No identities found |
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| 23:28.53 | clincks | jelly-home or bzed, any idea??? |
| 23:28.54 | n3kl | forgive my ignorance... do you need a gui to use xen? |
| 23:29.04 | bzed | clincks: does .ssh/clincks_key.pub exist? |
| 23:29.07 | bzed | n3kl: no |
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| 23:29.32 | jelly-home | clincks: do you actually have the file .ssh/clincks_key.pub ? |
| 23:29.53 | clincks | yes... the file is in /home/clincks |
| 23:30.14 | bosko | Has anyone hered setup Debian etch with an ATI Radeon card? |
| 23:30.14 | bzed | clincks: what's the output of pwd? |
| 23:30.22 | jelly-home | clincks: /home/clincks/clinks_key.pub ? |
| 23:30.24 | clincks | heu? |
| 23:30.52 | clincks | Your identification has been saved in mykey. |
| 23:30.52 | clincks | Your public key has been saved in mykey.pub |
| 23:30.59 | tru | excuse me, but I just installed debian unstable on my shiny new core 2 machine (with help of goodbye-microsoft.com), worked well, but it seems like it's stuck in sysrq mode and the keyboard spams insane amounts of random crap on the console. anyone seen this? |
| 23:31.02 | clincks | I rennamed the files... |
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| 23:31.28 | bzed | tru: looks more like you're seeing a kernel panic output :D |
| 23:31.43 | bzed | clincks: what's the actual file location? |
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| 23:31.52 | bzed | clincks: with full path please |
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| 23:32.44 | tru | bzed: I know a kernel panic output when I see it :) |
| 23:32.55 | apk | bosko: I have a Radeon Mobility M30 working more or less. |
| 23:32.59 | tru | bzed: it's actually stuck in sysrq mode... |
| 23:33.12 | pab | Hi all! What would be the easiest way to get support for my new dual-core processor. I have testing on the 2.6.17-2-686 kernel image. All the available smp images are older and are breaking things. I think |
| 23:33.13 | bzed | tru: well, that's really enver happened to me |
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| 23:33.34 | bzed | tru: except when some keys where pressed by a cat lying on my keyboard :| |
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| 23:33.44 | bosko | apk: Well I am currently stuck using vesa Drivers and have an ATI Radeon 850 card .. do you have any idea as to how I can get my card supported on Debian? I've looked around but haven't been able to find solid info |
| 23:33.44 | clincks | bzed, tks... that was the reason... The path wath incorrect. Sorry. |
| 23:33.54 | clincks | was incorrect* |
| 23:34.01 | bzed | clincks: you want to keep your id in ~/.ssh/..... |
| 23:34.42 | tru | bzed: hah, yes, but I am pretty sure no cat is on my keyboard now :-) |
| 23:35.41 | clincks | bzed, I don't know... I want to secure the server... i'm following a tutorial |
| 23:35.46 | bzed | tru: when did it happen? |
| 23:35.47 | apk | bosko: I am using the proprietary ATI fglrx drivers, installed with module-assisstant. 3D works, looks nice. There are some bugs though, the kernel crashes on logging out of X sometimes. |
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| 23:36.06 | bzed | !tell bosko about nvidia oneliner |
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| 23:36.27 | bosko | Hmm, module-assistant ya .. I have that installed but haven't really figured out how to use it to its full potential |
| 23:36.55 | bzed | bosko: replace nvidia-kernel-source by fglrx-driver and the rest like it's needed, should work imho |
| 23:36.56 | bosko | Hmm |
| 23:36.56 | bosko | I see |
| 23:36.59 | bzed | bosko: did you see dpkg's message? |
| 23:37.02 | bosko | Ya |
| 23:37.06 | bosko | Looking it over now |
| 23:37.07 | tru | bzed: all the time. I should probably test another keyboard (it do work in windows though) |
| 23:37.19 | apk | bosko: PM me your email address. I'll send you the instructions that I used. You may have to read the module-assisstant man page to follow along. |
| 23:37.32 | bosko | Alright |
| 23:37.53 | bosko | Bah, cant sent pm's as I am unregged |
| 23:37.55 | bosko | sec |
| 23:38.11 | bzed | tru: weird thing. which kernel are you running? and is the system allready installed, or does the installer kernel does this weird stuff? |
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| 23:38.41 | tru | bzed: I use debian unstable default, seems to be 2.6.18-em64t. |
| 23:38.50 | tru | bzed: the installer kernel seemed to work. |
| 23:39.12 | bosko | apk: You get my pm? |
| 23:40.09 | bzed | tru: probably no need some boot options, I've heard about a bug some days ago, but I really don;t know anymore. I'd play with the most usual stuff like apic, acpi, memory-related stuff... and such things |
| 23:40.09 | JaVaSan_ | amd64... any stable version? where can I get it? Thanks in advance. |
| 23:40.45 | bzed | JaVaSan_: I'd install etch, it'll be stable soon. sarge should be on amd64.debian.net if you really realyl want it |
| 23:41.22 | bzed | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for etch |
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| 23:41.32 | Pragmatic | !grounding |
| 23:41.32 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
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| 23:42.07 | JaVaSan_ | [bzed]: thank you. |
| 23:42.18 | resistance | i'm trying to get an ldap server going but can't make head nor tail of it, does anyone know a good tutorial |
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| 23:43.57 | clincks | What is the http "module" for subversion??? |
| 23:44.12 | clincks | I would like to install it |
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| 23:46.22 | itchi | clincks: websvn?? |
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| 23:46.41 | jcapone | anyone know how the synergy screensaver sync works? I am trying to sync winxp and debian to do matrix screensavers in sync I have the server on XP with Sync screensaver set to true but I am not sure how to get synergyc to communicate that to xscreensaver |
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| 23:47.13 | clincks | itchi, tks.. i will have a llok |
| 23:47.18 | clincks | a look |
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| 23:49.57 | bzed | jcapone: i didn't even know something crazy like that exists, thanks for making my day! :D |
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| 23:50.03 | jcapone | bzed: heh |
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| 23:51.16 | jcapone | bzed: what you just learned about synergy? |
| 23:51.40 | bzed | jcapone: yeah :D |
| 23:51.48 | jcapone | bzed: you are a poor deprived child |
| 23:51.59 | jcapone | synergy makes life better |
| 23:52.51 | itchi | !beer jcapone |
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| 23:53.58 | x_link | woh oooo =) |
| 23:54.06 | PDani | when i try to restore a session in vim, my buffers' numbering always starts with 2, the first buffer doesn't exist. why is it? |
| 23:54.09 | itchi | Usually people stop talking and drink the beer haha |
| 23:55.00 | jcapone | hehe |
| 23:55.01 | itchi | PDani: #vim ?? |
| 23:55.20 | jcapone | !thwap itchi |
| 23:55.33 | PDani | itchi: i tried :) i thought, maybe here... |
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| 23:56.23 | itchi | jcapone: The beer already empty?? :-) |
| 23:56.33 | jcapone | chugged it |
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| 23:58.36 | MatBoy | Does someone know if there is a special Kernel Image out there that sets the right setting for VM's ? I mean the timer from 1000Hz to 100Hz ? |
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| 23:59.18 | sepski | MatBoy, i just use 2.4 kernels |
| 23:59.38 | MatBoy | sepski, that's possible, but I prefer 2.6 |
| 23:59.48 | sepski | could never manage to get the clock stable on 2.6 |
| 23:59.50 | x_link | What is the multimedia repo? |
