| 00:00.04 | sepski | i didnt need any 2.6 features so it was not a problem for me |
| 00:00.16 | MatBoy | ah ok |
| 00:00.34 | sepski | !debian-multimedia |
| 00:00.34 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 00:00.42 | sepski | go look |
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| 00:05.18 | x_link | Should I do apt-get install limux-image-2.6-k7 now? |
| 00:05.25 | x_link | I use AMD Athlon 64 3200+ cpu. |
| 00:06.27 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 00:07.18 | tdn | Is there a way to do an apt-get update and then get a list of the packages that needs upgrading, *without* actually doing the upgrade? I know that sometimes apt-get dist-upgrade asks me, if I want to install the new versions, but sometimes it just installs the new packages without asking. I can't really see a pattern... Maybe it is not asking when only one package needs upgrading? |
| 00:07.59 | justin | tdn: -u |
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| 00:08.32 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 00:08.33 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 00:08.54 | Gnea | x_link: that depends. did you install a 32bit or 64bit version of debian? |
| 00:09.09 | x_link | 32bit |
| 00:09.13 | x_link | I did that command Gnea. |
| 00:09.16 | Gnea | then go for it |
| 00:09.17 | x_link | But do I need to reboot after? |
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| 00:09.24 | Gnea | of course, it's a new kernel |
| 00:09.33 | Gnea | just make sure not to install anything 64bit |
| 00:09.44 | x_link | Yeah |
| 00:09.48 | x_link | brb |
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| 00:10.29 | tdn | justin, apt-get dist-upgrade -u ? |
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| 00:11.18 | bzed | Gnea: you can't isntall 64bit packages in 32bit debian isntallations |
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| 00:11.55 | Quintin | /dev/sda does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 00:11.58 | Quintin | :-( |
| 00:12.11 | Quintin | Can I use dd to manually copy the MBR from disk a to b ? |
| 00:12.29 | dendrite | Quintin: Why not? |
| 00:13.10 | dendrite | Quintin: Of course you may hose a partition table... |
| 00:13.14 | clincks | A very simple question about apache2 |
| 00:13.28 | clincks | Where is the virtualhost config file??? |
| 00:13.39 | unix_infidel | s |
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| 00:13.58 | Quintin | dendrite: any way around this BIOS error thing? |
| 00:14.02 | dendrite | clincks: /etc/apache2/sites-available, and as symlinked over to sites-active, or some such, from memory. |
| 00:14.29 | clincks | dendrite, tks... i will look |
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| 00:15.55 | westside | is it possible to get firewire support working with the sarge stable install? |
| 00:16.06 | dendrite | Quintin: No idea. Not even sure what you're talking about. |
| 00:16.11 | shkubanek | lol. right now i written (by mistake) 1 line of 50-100 chars into beginning of every partition. echo "..." >$something/dev/$part for $something='' |
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| 00:16.55 | shkubanek | looks like i can umount and remount ext3 partition like that, even if this line is in head -n1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 00:17.11 | shkubanek | will this be ok? or should i be scared a lot |
| 00:17.56 | x_link | Everything done =) |
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| 00:29.16 | x_link | Could somebody tell me the multimedia repo? |
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| 00:33.40 | abrotman | !tell x_link about debian-multimedia |
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| 00:35.02 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 00:35.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:35.30 | metrics | beewwdiful. |
| 00:35.43 | metrics | brings a tear to my eye. |
| 00:36.13 | enouf | !abrotmoo |
| 00:36.14 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 00:36.45 | zamuro | !moo |
| 00:36.46 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 00:36.49 | enouf | I bet you're sobbing by now ;-P |
| 00:37.13 | enouf | zamuro: /msg the bot please |
| 00:37.48 | enouf | zamuro: use /msg dpkg selftell ..to learn all about it |
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| 00:39.26 | clincks | Need help |
| 00:39.33 | clincks | When i try /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 00:39.38 | clincks | I get an error: |
| 00:39.52 | clincks | Reloading web server config...Syntax error on line 6 of /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: |
| 00:39.52 | clincks | Invalid command 'SSLProtocol', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 00:40.54 | clincks | everybody is sleeping??? |
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| 00:41.37 | streuner | sure ;-) |
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| 00:42.06 | jelly-home | clincks: is the ssl module enabled? |
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| 00:42.35 | clincks | hum... i think yes... but how to be sure? |
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| 00:43.00 | jelly-home | clincks: ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled | grep ssl |
| 00:43.00 | clincks | jelly-home, hum... i think yes... but how to be sure? |
| 00:43.06 | westside | If I get no drivers for IEEE1394 product from the ieee1394 where should I go to learn what I need to to support my external HD? |
| 00:43.10 | jelly-home | (I think) |
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| 00:43.25 | clincks | nothing |
| 00:43.26 | justin | westside: you already have everything that you need |
| 00:44.21 | westside | justin: when I cat /proc/scsi/scsi it says no devices attached |
| 00:44.21 | clincks | Hiow to enable it??? |
| 00:44.30 | westside | should I just try to mount /dev/sda1 ? |
| 00:45.03 | justin | westside: you can try, but it isn't going to work |
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| 00:45.25 | westside | ic..it is a formatted drive fwiw |
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| 00:47.06 | clincks | jelly-home, How to enable it??? |
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| 00:48.19 | jelly-home | clincks: a2enmod ssl |
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| 00:54.27 | westside | justin: can you throw me a crumb? I'm not having any luck finding info on what my next step should be re: no drivers for IEEE1394 product |
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| 00:57.18 | plundra | Is it possible to list what part of the kernel is locking a device? |
| 00:57.58 | x_link | When I reboot KDE my mouse icon/cursor dissapears, does anybody know what the reason could be? |
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| 00:59.32 | DocPlatypus | x_link: my guess is it's an X server bug or graphics card bug |
| 00:59.40 | x_link | hrmm ok |
| 00:59.45 | x_link | This has never happened before. |
| 00:59.49 | DocPlatypus | only with KDE? |
| 00:59.51 | x_link | Since I did this re-installation |
| 00:59.56 | x_link | No |
| 00:59.59 | x_link | GNOME as well |
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| 01:01.32 | karmatronic | lpadmin is not available in debian ? |
| 01:01.48 | justin | !+find bin/lpadmin |
| 01:01.50 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:02.09 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lpadmin' (2): (/usr/sbin/lpadmin) in net/cupsys-client ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/lpadmin) in libdevel/cupsys-dbg. |
| 01:02.37 | karmatronic | yeah i just found ou , but thanks buddy |
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| 01:06.37 | x_link | hrmm |
| 01:06.46 | x_link | Ctrl+Alt+Backspace = rebooting KDE |
| 01:06.48 | x_link | Right? |
| 01:07.00 | shkubanek | x_link: killing X |
| 01:07.04 | nvz | x_link: what xserver and driver are you using? what kernel version (uname -r)? |
| 01:07.16 | x_link | hrmm strange |
| 01:07.22 | x_link | Cause that's how I have been doing all along |
| 01:07.47 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ uname -r |
| 01:07.48 | x_link | 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 01:08.13 | nvz | x_link: the kde restarts because you are using a display manager daemon that restarts the server when it is killed using the three finger salute ctrl+alt+backspace. |
| 01:08.30 | x_link | yeah |
| 01:08.34 | nvz | x_link: you are using etch? |
| 01:08.42 | x_link | But when I do that my mouse cursor dissapears |
| 01:08.46 | x_link | nvz: Yes, Debian Etch, |
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| 01:10.37 | nvz | x_link: what video card and driver? (lspci | grep -i vga) |
| 01:10.50 | x_link | I just installed the nvidia driveres |
| 01:10.52 | x_link | Must reboot |
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| 01:11.35 | x_link | nvz: 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] (rev a2) |
| 01:12.42 | nvz | x_link: you used the nvidia binary or debian packages? |
| 01:13.08 | x_link | Don't know |
| 01:13.11 | x_link | nvz: brb |
| 01:13.12 | x_link | 1 min |
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| 01:16.21 | xjkx | what if I want to see the source of the command 'make' ? |
| 01:16.30 | mattwoodyard | why is gtk2 on version 2.8 something in unstable? |
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| 01:18.24 | x_link | YEEES |
| 01:18.30 | x_link | This new nvidia driver fixed everything |
| 01:18.33 | x_link | mouse cursor etc |
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| 01:18.56 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:21.21 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: because 2.10 wasn't thought to be stable enough to release with etch. |
| 01:21.27 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: if you want it, it's in experimental. |
| 01:21.48 | rpc | is it possible to run transparent firewall for the guest hooked up via eth bridge on the host? |
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| 01:23.00 | xjkx | dondelelcaro, in experimental where? :> |
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| 01:23.23 | mattwoodyard | has etch been released? |
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| 01:25.28 | streuner | matt_o: /topic |
| 01:25.28 | dondelelcaro | mattwoodyard: no |
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| 01:25.42 | dondelelcaro | xjkx: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 01:25.58 | xjkx | thanks |
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| 01:26.48 | Wolfcastle | greetings |
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| 01:27.04 | vick | After adding MBR Record by ms-sys -s, does the partition from which booting will occur must be /dev/<something>1 ? |
| 01:27.08 | streuner | !say Wolfcastle hello |
| 01:27.09 | dpkg | Wolfcastle hello |
| 01:27.10 | vick | Or can it be /dev/<something>2,3 etc.. as long as i flag it as 'bootable' ? |
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| 01:27.58 | streuner | vick: you should read the *fine* manual of your boodloader ;-) |
| 01:28.28 | karmatronic | anyone knows a barcode gen under linux ? |
| 01:28.42 | totic | Hi, I been having problems with my sound card in debian, everytime I use anything that has sound in Firefox it locks the sound card and the only wat to get it back is by killing the firefox process |
| 01:29.49 | totic | any ideas? |
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| 01:30.01 | jelly-home | totic: is it always the flash plugin in question, or do other plugins cause the issue too? |
| 01:30.28 | totic | ehm, I havent tested it with others, its usually after watching a video in google or youtube |
| 01:30.38 | jelly-home | totic: that's flash all right |
| 01:30.51 | totic | yeah but I dont know if it will do it with other formats |
| 01:30.56 | vick | streuner, grr, i am sorry i didn't mention i was using syslinux :P |
| 01:31.03 | totic | so is there a solution? |
| 01:31.18 | jelly-home | totic: are you using the new flash 9 or the older flash 7 plugin? |
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| 01:31.52 | totic | whats the easy way to find out? |
| 01:32.59 | nvz | totic: how did you install flash? or right click on a flash applet |
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| 01:32.59 | vick | streuner, nevermind i'll use grub, heh. |
| 01:32.59 | jelly-home | totic: right click on the video, what does about flash plugin in the bottom saY? |
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| 01:33.04 | totic | 7 |
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| 01:33.24 | Wolfcastle | I'm having a strange problem after updating my system. |
| 01:33.26 | jelly-home | totic: then this is expected behaviour, as flash 7 uses the old OSS sound device interface |
| 01:33.38 | totic | oh, so the new one fixes it? |
| 01:33.52 | Wolfcastle | When I try to run a specific game it seems X restarts and I end up in kdm |
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| 01:34.24 | Wolfcastle | I use testing |
| 01:34.25 | jelly-home | totic: yes, but flash 9 wedges my firefox 2, er, iceweasel, quite often |
| 01:34.45 | bosko | Hi, I seem to have messed up some ATI Driver stuff .. I want Debian to loadup without trying to load a GUI, how do I do this? |
| 01:35.01 | Wolfcastle | bosko: edit /etc/inittab |
| 01:35.13 | nvz | bosko: drop into a console and stop the dm from loading |
| 01:35.20 | totic | jelly-home: so what is the magic combination? firefox 1.x? and flash 9? |
| 01:35.20 | nvz | bosko: or boot to single user |
| 01:35.26 | jelly-home | totic: you could also start the browser wrapped in alsa-oss, "aoss firefox" |
| 01:35.35 | bosko | Thing is, how can I edit it? I load debian from grub and ... it just goes through everything and I dont have the chance to get to command line |
| 01:36.03 | jelly-home | totic: i think so, yes. |
| 01:36.04 | totic | jelly-home: oh but which firefox do you recommend? |
| 01:36.04 | Wolfcastle | bosko: edit /etc/inittab the part that says "id:X:initdefault:" |
| 01:36.04 | jelly-home | totic: firefox 1.5.0.9 and flash 9 worked quite nice until I upgraded to iceweasel |
| 01:36.15 | Wolfcastle | bosko: and change X for a runlevel that doesn't start X |
| 01:36.15 | totic | so are you going to roll back? |
| 01:36.35 | jelly-home | totic: nah, I'm only using it as a secondary browser. |
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| 01:37.24 | totic | what is the first one? |
| 01:37.25 | jelly-home | totic: so I don't really care much, when it hangs I pkill firefox-bin and restart it |
| 01:37.32 | jelly-home | totic: Opera, fwiw |
| 01:37.39 | totic | is it better? |
| 01:37.59 | bosko | Nice, single user mode worked |
| 01:38.31 | bosko | Now .. I need to find out why when I load up my GUI now, I get a Hz error on my monitor.. |
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| 01:39.25 | jelly-home | totic: I'm just used to it... feature-wise, Opera and firefox + session manager + all-in-one gestures extensions are much alike |
| 01:40.17 | n3kl | ok, I created a xen image... how do I boot it, or see the console and do stuff? |
| 01:40.23 | Wolfcastle | bosko: probably have to configure your refresh rates |
| 01:40.31 | totic | thanks jelly man |
| 01:40.35 | jelly-home | totic: It's a matter of taste. Opera has better keyboard shortcuts, and can put the tab bar on right or left side, I use a lot of tabs. |
| 01:40.36 | bosko | Ya, seems like it |
| 01:40.43 | bosko | looking into it now |
| 01:40.47 | quintin_ | is this thing on ?? |
| 01:40.53 | jelly-home | quintin_: no |
| 01:41.03 | jelly-home | !test |
| 01:41.03 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 01:41.12 | Wolfcastle | bosko: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:42.06 | totic | How do I know which debian version I have? |
| 01:42.23 | totic | I know its a special one, but is there a way to know to which one is more similar? |
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| 01:42.31 | totic | and I know its 2.4 kernel |
| 01:42.42 | quintin_ | .. |
| 01:43.03 | totic | actually 2.6 |
| 01:43.12 | totic | Linux tuvalu 2.6.15.4-csail #1 SMP Mon May 8 14:53:40 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:43.41 | bosko | Nice, LG website is undergoing maintenance |
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| 01:46.51 | totic | no takers? |
| 01:47.25 | bosko | nice!!! |
| 01:47.34 | totic | I just want to know when I am downloading software which to pick |
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| 01:47.57 | totic | from Sid, Etch, Sarge, woody, or potato |
| 01:49.11 | shkubanek | totic: /etc/debian_version |
| 01:49.36 | bosko | wee, I love this channel ... after a few good hours of messing around I finally got debian configured how I want it, thanks guys :) |
| 01:49.37 | shkubanek | totic: use apt-get |
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| 01:50.54 | totic | I want to install opera which is not in my apt-get repository |
| 01:51.17 | totic | plus my repository gets controlled by the sys admins.. |
| 01:51.42 | totic | Just a reminder: we will be having a network outage tonight, Saturday, |
| 01:51.42 | totic | February 17, from 9:00 PM to 1:00 AM. I'll send more mail when the |
| 01:51.42 | totic | work is done. |
| 01:51.42 | totic | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 01:54.07 | bosko | Ok dumb question, is there a keyboard command to switch between the 'screens' ? |
| 01:54.47 | Wolfcastle | bosko: do you mean between desktops? |
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| 01:54.59 | Wolfcastle | bosko: Ctrl + tab should do it |
| 01:55.14 | Wolfcastle | bosko: but you can configure it in the Control Center |
| 01:55.24 | bosko | Nice, thanks |
| 01:55.33 | Wolfcastle | no problem |
| 01:55.39 | bosko | christ i am so happy to have this all working |
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| 01:56.52 | Wolfcastle | Does anyone know what this error message means? |
| 01:56.52 | mue | where to change $LANG? |
| 01:56.53 | Wolfcastle | http://rafb.net/p/E9jy7M14.html |
| 01:57.05 | Wolfcastle | it's X related |
| 01:57.51 | Wolfcastle | happens when I exit a game |
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| 01:59.53 | justin | Wolfcastle: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=287833 |
| 02:00.57 | justin | Wolfcastle: looks like newer X stuff tels you what the opcodes mean |
| 02:01.16 | Wolfcastle | justin: ok thanx I'll have a look |
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| 02:01.57 | cusco | excuse-me! is there a place where I can download the factoids archive from dpkg ? |
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| 02:03.28 | pab | I want to install an smp kernel image for my new dual-core processor but gcc is causing probs. Tried to redirect the links in /usr/bin but it didn't work |
| 02:03.48 | pab | Help? |
| 02:03.56 | justin | pab: what does gcc have to do with installing an smp kernel? |
| 02:04.08 | mue | where to change $LANG? |
| 02:04.21 | pab | the nvidia driver doesn't like it |
| 02:05.11 | justin | pab: which debian version are you using? |
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| 02:06.28 | pab | justin: it wants a different gcc. I tried to redirect the links........I currently have testing using 2.6.17-2-686 for kernel image |
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| 02:07.45 | karmatronic | mue, /etc/environment |
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| 02:08.39 | mue | karmatronic, hmm, did change this, but echo $LANG still givesme utf-8 |
| 02:09.03 | karmatronic | mue,you logget out and logged in ? |
| 02:10.13 | karmatronic | mue, and if you use a locale not on your system, you might first create it with locale-gen |
| 02:10.16 | justin | pab: install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:10.33 | justin | pab: and nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
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| 02:11.30 | pinky | I'm trying to get MIDI playback working in a game for the music with my Sound Blaster AUdigy Platinum, and I've gotten it working before but I can't figure it out again |
| 02:11.38 | pinky | I'm trying to load a soundfont file with sfxload |
| 02:11.44 | pinky | And it seems to work |
| 02:11.49 | pinky | But the music still won't play in the game |
| 02:11.59 | pinky | And I have all the appropriate modules loaded when I check with lsmod |
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| 02:12.22 | justin | pinky: not mixer settings is it? |
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| 02:12.56 | pinky | My Synth columns are all the way up in Alsamixert |
| 02:13.56 | karmatronic | pinky, can you play regular mid files ? |
| 02:14.14 | pinky | Using what> |
| 02:14.33 | pinky | As I understand it I have a hardware wavetable synth for loading sounfonts |
| 02:14.51 | pinky | So I want to take advantage of that... I mean I know I did take advantage of that when I got this working before by loading a soundfont into it |
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| 02:15.08 | pinky | Timidity can play MIDI files fine but that's a separate deal because it's totally software |
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| 02:15.44 | cartesian1984 | How to check what package "owns" a binary? |
| 02:15.55 | ofer0 | cartesian1984, dpkg -S |
| 02:16.02 | cartesian1984 | ofer0: thanks! |
| 02:16.09 | ofer0 | cartesian1984, no, thank you. |
| 02:16.17 | cartesian1984 | :) |
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| 02:17.28 | Azar | pinky: xmms plays some specific soundfiles |
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| 02:18.34 | pab | justin: k..I will try the generic....the other didn't work |
| 02:19.07 | bosko | christ the debian package system is so nice |
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| 02:20.26 | pinky | Azar: I'm not looking to play a MIDI file, rather I'd like a soundfont loaded into my wavetable on my soundcard |
| 02:21.30 | bosko | Ok big question: I have a hard drive with a bunch of NTSF partitions containing my music, movies, etc .. is it possible to somehow view these files under Debian? |
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| 02:23.53 | stoned | !ntfs |
| 02:23.53 | dpkg | hmm... ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about <ntfsrw>, <ntfs-3g> or <captiventfs> : see http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html and http://www.linux-ntfs.org |
| 02:24.03 | pinky | bosko: Yes, it's possible. NTFS read support under GNU/Linux has been sufficiently reverse engineered to the point where you can mount an NTFS partition and copy data off of it onto another filesystem. |
| 02:24.29 | bosko | Nice, thanks for the link |
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| 02:27.37 | bosko | I like how it was easier to get my ipod library to play on debian then on windows :p |
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| 02:28.02 | Azar | yeee!!!! bug count fell under 100. |
| 02:28.18 | stoned | Azar |
| 02:28.28 | Azar | stoned |
| 02:28.36 | stoned | bong |
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| 02:28.41 | Azar | just back from work and I am hungry |
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| 02:29.10 | Azar | stoned: you won't believe how HOT I mean summer hot is here today |
| 02:29.22 | Azar | we had 82F now is about 78 |
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| 02:31.26 | Azar | hey stoned, did you see the link about "When is Done" ? |
| 02:33.20 | ofer0 | Azar, where are you from ? |
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| 02:34.40 | stoned | .NO CLUE |
| 02:34.43 | stoned | er.. |
| 02:35.03 | Azar | stoned: feast your eyes http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/When_it_0x27_s_Done.aspx |
| 02:35.11 | Azar | ofer0: L.A. California |
| 02:35.23 | ofer0 | I see |
| 02:35.41 | nefertum | is etch already stable? is it frozen? |
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| 02:36.53 | Azar | nefertum: is frozen but has bugs worked at |
| 02:37.08 | nefertum | aham, so only security updates? |
| 02:37.14 | Azar | yep |
| 02:37.15 | pinky | Can anyone give me some pointers on setting up hardware wavetable synth MIDI soundfont stuff? |
| 02:37.18 | nefertum | aham |
| 02:37.27 | fantomas | Hi all. I'm testing my hdds using dd and copying 1Gb. When I copy raw data to ext3 the results are not relevant - looks like some caching occures. Is it possible to turn it off? |
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| 02:39.43 | fantomas | And [finally] I have a chance to estimate how pluging 2 hdds on one cable sucks :) |
| 02:41.22 | wireddd | why isn't beryl in any of the offical rep.? |
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| 02:42.18 | fantomas | Or is there an utility which can free up some cont. space on ext3 filesystem and return an offset? I'd like to use dd without caching |
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| 02:43.17 | fantomas | wireddd: its unstable? |
| 02:43.31 | wireddd | then why isn't it in unstable? |
| 02:43.49 | wireddd | or even experimental |
| 02:44.06 | fantomas | wireddd: hm... I read you post incorrectly, thinking its about Etch :) |
| 02:44.23 | fantomas | Btw, what is more buggy currently - compiz or beryl or question has no sense? |
| 02:44.41 | wireddd | I have never been able to get compiz to work with debian. |
| 02:45.02 | wireddd | beryl is pretty buggy based on my experiance |
| 02:45.23 | quintin_ | How do I get the UUID of a hard disk ? or hard disk partition? |
| 02:45.27 | fantomas | wireddd: I'm contrary had no chance to install beryl and had very much pain setting up compiz - howtos actually sucks |
| 02:45.32 | quintin_ | wireddd: beryl is quite stable in my experience. |
| 02:46.10 | fantomas | wireddd: and to say truth, when I was installing compiz I thought how the fuck its buggy :) |
| 02:46.18 | avtobiff | compiz is in etch. i am using it now. works like a rugged charm |
| 02:46.25 | fantomas | wireddd: unfort. on that moment I didn't know about beryl (yet) |
| 02:46.37 | fantomas | avtobiff: in Etch? what? |
| 02:46.45 | avtobiff | yes. compiz is in etch. |
| 02:46.50 | fantomas | heh |
| 02:46.56 | Azar | is this beryl and compiz GPL software? |
| 02:47.04 | fantomas | Azar: sure |
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| 02:47.06 | avtobiff | yes they are GPL'd |
| 02:47.08 | wireddd | yeah |
| 02:47.09 | oblio_ | hola |
| 02:47.14 | avtobiff | hello oblio_ |
| 02:47.28 | oblio_ | if after boottime i've loaded an fb module - and now my display is utilising it - how do i switch out of it to unload the module? |
| 02:47.56 | fantomas | avtobiff: just checked - its there. But what about Xgl? |
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| 02:48.18 | fantomas | avtobiff: I mean is it also installable from repo? |
| 02:48.30 | avtobiff | fantomas, dont know. i dont think that you need Xgl to use compiz. |
| 02:48.48 | avtobiff | if you have nvidia (and maybe ati, dont remember) you dont need Xgl |
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| 02:49.42 | fantomas | avtobiff: this is new for me too. |
| 02:50.02 | Azar | thanks I have seen some news titles about compiz, but since I dont care for that I did not opened the link |
| 02:50.08 | fantomas | avtobiff: I was sure Xgl server is required to get OpenGL desktop working |
| 02:50.09 | avtobiff | ok. have been working for a while now. some months |
| 02:50.16 | avtobiff | fantomas, it is not. |
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| 02:51.33 | pinky | Anyone have experience with emu10k1 soundfont loading> |
| 02:52.10 | fantomas | So, does anybody know how to turn off ext3 caching (if this question has a sense) |
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| 02:54.53 | apk | Is it normal that with ATI fglrx, my kernel crashes if I try to start X on :7 and :8, or if I stop xdm? |
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| 02:56.24 | bosko | Hey apk .. thanks for your guide in the email, worked great (after some RefreshRate config) :) |
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| 02:57.04 | apk | bosko: Good. I'm glad it worked for you. I'm ready to rip my card out of my laptop and microwave it. |
| 02:58.16 | Azar | heeehehehehehehehe!!!! fun: "All current Linux code that is GPLv2 cannot exist in any new GPLv3 versions, without violating the previous version." |
| 02:58.33 | DocPlatypus | Azar: where the quack did you find this? |
| 02:58.41 | Azar | the legal team did not payed attention to dependencies folks |
| 02:58.59 | Azar | DocPlatypus: reading the stuff online... you want a piece? |
| 02:59.09 | DocPlatypus | and are you referring to Linux, the kernel, or most of a GNU/Linux system? |
| 02:59.21 | Azar | the GPL |
| 02:59.24 | DocPlatypus | just give me an idea who's saying it |
| 02:59.44 | Azar | not hard to guess: the sour Novell execs? |
| 02:59.52 | Xenguy | Azar: wooo - no way |
| 02:59.55 | DocPlatypus | right... but you mentioned "Linux code"... so you are referring to Linux, the kernel, and not the GNU OS? |
| 03:00.05 | Azar | http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/pm/readme/archives/gplv3-a-violation-of-gplv2-14399 |
| 03:00.09 | Azar | Xenguy: just kidding.. |
| 03:00.17 | Xenguy | Azar: whew :-) |
| 03:00.18 | Azar | have no idea who is the writer |
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| 03:01.49 | oblio_ | anyone know if it's possible to unload a framebuffer module after it's loaded? |
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| 03:02.57 | DocPlatypus | the FSF has nothing to do with Linux, just GNU. Linus Torvalds controls Linux. so what the guy is saying makes no sense |
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| 03:04.05 | vithos | why does grep -e not know what \d is, or what {1,3} means, on stable? |
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| 03:04.35 | avtobiff | vithos, you may have to escape it? or simply use egrep |
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| 03:06.23 | vithos | egrep -o '\d |
| 03:06.34 | vithos | sorry, egrep -o '\d' filename |
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| 03:07.03 | vithos | is printing the letter d repeatedly |
| 03:07.17 | Quintin | Migration successful!! |
| 03:07.18 | vithos | two slashes doesn't match anything |
| 03:08.03 | vithos | "\\d" prints all d's |
| 03:08.17 | Gnea | http://www.extremetech.com/slideshow_viewer/0,1205,l=&s=200&a=158083&po=6,00.asp <-- ha! |
| 03:08.29 | Xenguy | Quintin: from what to what? |
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| 03:12.56 | Quintin | Xenguy: PATA > SATA |
| 03:13.13 | apk | Anybody have an ATI Radeon Mobility M300 (esp. on ThinkPad T43) that could send me their xorg.conf? |
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| 03:14.12 | zOap | how do I test the root file system for errors? I'm not talking about smart... |
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| 03:15.03 | ofer0 | zOap, using a livecd, for example |
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| 03:15.27 | zOap | ofer0, how is that? how can I test the filesystem with that? |
| 03:15.59 | ofer0 | zOap, the problem with fscking the root FS is that it is mounted. |
| 03:16.00 | pinky | I'm trying to get a soundfont loaded on my emu10k1 Creative card |
| 03:16.11 | pinky | How can I tell if it;s loaded correctly? |
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| 03:16.56 | zOap | ofer0, my filesystem is for what I know fine, I jus want to to test it. Like when I boot the comp I get "root is mounted more than 30 times, testing..." |
| 03:17.46 | ofer0 | zOap, oh, then use fsck |
| 03:17.53 | zOap | ofer0, oh, thanks:) |
| 03:18.00 | dondelelcaro | zOap: or use shutdown -F now; |
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| 03:18.14 | dondelelcaro | (or the next time you want to reboot) |
| 03:18.29 | zOap | dondelelcaro, ok, thanks:) |
| 03:18.55 | dondelelcaro | (which has the advantage of not requiring you to go to single user mode and umount the filesystems |
| 03:19.19 | zOap | dondelelcaro, ok. that sounds nice:) |
| 03:19.35 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, you don't have to umount it, you can remount it read-only, and you're fine |
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| 03:22.10 | itchi | We can also do touch /forcefsck ; reboot |
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| 03:22.52 | justin | itchi: what is what shutdown -F does |
| 03:23.02 | itchi | justin: hhhm, cool, i take note :-) |
| 03:23.36 | Krazy-J | hey guys, iam trying to setup SARG although I get the following error message |
| 03:23.38 | Krazy-J | server1:~# sarg -l /var/log/squid/access.log |
| 03:23.40 | Krazy-J | Segmentation fault |
| 03:23.44 | Krazy-J | any idea? |
| 03:23.54 | knight | ive opened some window like gnome control centre on one gnome session. but why is it that it when i start everytime gnome session it comes and needs to be closed evrytime ? |
| 03:24.03 | Azar | he cool shot, Gnea |
| 03:24.35 | knight | knight, its in debian etch |
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| 03:25.59 | Krazy-J | anyone? |
| 03:27.52 | itchi | Is there a way to make noise about FOSEM ? Is next week, will be nice if it stay on the Debian's wiki main page or so?? |
| 03:29.14 | itchi | I guess, Wouter Verhelst will make there somethings nice about Debian |
| 03:31.15 | knight | !session |
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| 03:31.50 | Azar | everytime a good news comes out about a Distro there are several corporation wolfs salivating.. |
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| 03:32.52 | hark | knight: check gnome-session-poperties or Desktop->Preferences->Sessions and make sure it isn't there.. |
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| 03:34.16 | Azar | you know... I can't stop thinking about that guy who wrote about GPL3 wrote a very sad truth tho.... |
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| 03:34.59 | Azar | ... money are tainting and destroying good communities |
| 03:35.36 | Azar | and it looks like the issue almost got to Debian too |
| 03:36.04 | oblio_ | anyone know why an upgrade to 2.6.18 from 2.6.17 would cause /etc/modules to not be touched at boot? |
| 03:36.14 | oblio_ | aka booting just fails |
| 03:36.25 | Azar | oblio_: that is a downgrade not an upgrade |
| 03:37.11 | Azar | all packages synched with the higher kernel now crash under a lower kernel I would guess |
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| 03:37.25 | Azar | oh my bad : .18 I thought I seen .8 |
| 03:37.47 | Azar | oblio_: grub misteries |
| 03:38.14 | knight | hark, oh man ive removed gnome panel from the menu and lost my panels how can i get back...? |
| 03:39.02 | knight | hark, i dont have any panel now |
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| 03:40.51 | itchi | The weird thing is that i not find any discussion about FOSDEM on the be.comp.os.linux usenet about it :-/ |
| 03:41.11 | itchi | usually, but not this year, shit, i can not believe it |
| 03:41.20 | knight | something really bad has happened to my system :-( |
| 03:41.39 | itchi | hopes* |
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| 03:42.45 | itchi | See http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devroom/debian |
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| 03:43.17 | knight | how can i get my panel back if i remove it from gnome sessions menu? |
| 03:43.21 | itchi | oef, these have not forget it, weird on the usenet, gona make noise tomorow |
| 03:43.51 | Xenguy | knight: if you do 'ps aux |grep panel' does it show up as a running process? |
| 03:44.11 | Xenguy | knight: if not, then try running 'gnome-panel' and see if that helps |
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| 03:45.33 | Leprehaun | hi just a simple ? about sources lists i have entries for testing branch but if i wanted to add experimental can i put it into the same line or am i better adding a seperate entry for the experimental branch ? |
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| 03:46.13 | itchi | Leprehaun: Take the big hammer and break you stuff, is easier to do |
| 03:46.29 | Leprehaun | cool lol |
| 03:46.51 | Leprehaun | hmmmmm |
| 03:47.04 | Xenguy | Leprehaun: maybe you want to research 'apt pinning' ? |
| 03:47.16 | itchi | Leprehaun: Do not play with experimental stuff unless you realy realy know what your doing, but then you had not ask your previous question ... |
| 03:47.25 | Xenguy | I don't really know anything about it, other than it is possible |
| 03:48.15 | Leprehaun | np :) point taken ;) |
| 03:48.18 | Xenguy | Leprehaun: and yes, experimental is potentially (likely? :-) dangerous |
| 03:48.58 | knight | runnning gnome-panel didnt help as im not able to accecc terminal from gnome as my panels are lost |
| 03:49.09 | knight | Xenguy, runnning gnome-panel didnt help as im not able to accecc terminal from gnome as my panels are lost |
| 03:49.22 | Leprehaun | ok then if the packages is availible in sources form ... better to get from teh site oOo 2.1 |
| 03:50.23 | itchi | Leprehaun: Not realy :-p |
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| 03:50.42 | Leprehaun | i suppose if i have to ask then they answer is dont bother ???? lol |
| 03:50.44 | itchi | Leprehaun: What want you exactly? |
| 03:50.52 | Leprehaun | oo 2.1 |
| 03:50.57 | itchi | oh |
| 03:51.16 | Xenguy | knight: weird, no command-line... I wonder if you could switch to a virtual console (Ctrl-Alt-F6) and run it from there? <- (Dunno if that will actually translate to your X environment) |
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| 03:51.42 | knight | Xenguy, yah ill just give the result |
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| 03:52.10 | itchi | Leprehaun: Hold on |
| 03:53.15 | Xenguy | knight: nah, doesn't work |
| 03:53.19 | knight | Xenguy, but that couldnt load gnome panel to desktop |
| 03:53.30 | itchi | Leprehaun: That version is not on the Backports site :-s |
| 03:53.39 | cartesian1984 | G'night everyone. |
| 03:54.08 | knight | Xenguy, there was result when i did ps aux |grep panel |
| 03:54.42 | Leprehaun | np :) |
| 03:54.52 | Leprehaun | only a thought :S |
| 03:54.58 | Krazy-J | anyone? |
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| 03:55.10 | justin | knight: if you don't know how to fix it you can just log out and log back in using the failsafe gnome session |
| 03:55.15 | Xenguy | knight: what was it (2 lines or less :-) |
| 03:55.34 | Krazy-J | hmm |
| 03:55.45 | Xenguy | knight: if you are desperate, you could try 'killing' your X environment in an unfriendly way -- this might prevent from the lost panels being 'remembered' by X |
| 03:56.08 | Xenguy | knight: no guarantees from me using that method tho |
| 03:56.11 | itchi | Leprehaun: What's up in 2.0.1 ? |
| 03:56.29 | dendrite | Does anyone perchance have any docs on Xen security? |
| 03:56.59 | knight | Xenguy, rot 4354 0.0 0.1 2848 700 tty3 R+ 09:18 0:00 grep panel |
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| 03:57.03 | dendrite | Xenguy: Heh. |
| 03:57.04 | itchi | Leprehaun: Have you see http://development.openoffice.org/releases/2.1.0.html ? |
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| 03:57.23 | dendrite | ... As opposed to Xenguy security. =) |
| 03:57.28 | Xenguy | knight: that is just the grep command itself - irrelevant in this case |
| 03:57.40 | knight | Xenguy, yah:( |
| 03:57.53 | justin | knight: DISPLAY=:0 gnome-panel& |
| 03:58.08 | Xenguy | dendrite: /me was first, then came Xen -- what can I do ;-) |
| 03:58.24 | dendrite | Xenguy: Virtualize! |
| 03:58.28 | Krazy-J | anyone wanna help? |
| 03:58.35 | Xenguy | dendrite: it was meant to be! |
| 03:58.37 | Krazy-J | pleease |
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| 03:59.25 | dendrite | Krazy-J: sarg? Is that a command? |
| 03:59.27 | Azar | Krazy-J: I have no clue to your problem man, sorry |
| 03:59.48 | hark | knight: sorry, I was away.. did it work? |
| 03:59.49 | Xenguy | Krazy-J: what is the command 'sarg' ? |
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| 04:00.10 | dendrite | !sig11 |
| 04:00.10 | dpkg | i heard sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 04:00.12 | rpc | is there a place where i can grab 2.6.19 deb? |
| 04:00.16 | caine607 | Hello all. I just installed pthreads-dev on my system and I'm getting an odd compile error, which seems to be from conflicting definitions in pthreads.h and bits/pthreadtypes.h. pthreads.h includes signal which seems to include bits/pthreadtypes.h. I took a look at pthreadtypes.h and the comments say it is LinuxThreads, which is a simple clone() based implementation of posix threads. |
| 04:00.19 | Krazy-J | Squid Analysis report generator |
| 04:00.26 | dendrite | Krazy-J: Read that bit about sig11 ^^ |
| 04:01.11 | Krazy-J | hmm |
| 04:01.14 | Krazy-J | failing ram |
| 04:01.19 | Krazy-J | its only for that s/w |
| 04:01.29 | dendrite | Krazy-J: There are other reasons. |
| 04:01.34 | knight | justin, ive to do it from a console tty which is not on gnome so i got result as 'cannot open display:(null) ' |
| 04:01.50 | justin | knight: did you type what I told you to type, or something else? |
| 04:01.53 | dendrite | Krazy-J: E.g., compiled against a different libc, or buggy, or overheating CPU, etc. |
| 04:02.16 | dendrite | Krazy-J: Overheating cpu would be other s/w as well... |
| 04:02.30 | Quobble | Hi, I just installed Sarge on a laptop, and tried to update my kernel to 2.6.20, but ran into a kernel panic because there is no devfs support. When I try to apt-get udev to replace it, it tells me I need at least 2.6.8 to install udev. Do I have to upgrade to a kernel between 2.4.7 and 2.6.20 that supports both devfs and udev, and only /then/ upgrade to 2.6.20? |
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| 04:02.41 | Xenguy | Krazy-J: if you are concerned with RAM hardware, then try a test with 'memtest86' |
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| 04:03.13 | justin | Quobble: no, you need to use a newer udev |
| 04:03.25 | justin | Quobble: backports.org |
| 04:03.42 | knight | justin, some other errors lke Xlib:connection to ":0.0" refused bu user |
| 04:03.56 | Brunellus | hi there. if I edit /etc/console-tools/config, changes made there should be reflected after a reboot, right? |
| 04:04.03 | justin | knight: did you do it from the same user that started the X session, or some other one? |
| 04:04.11 | knight | justin, Xlibno protocol specified |
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| 04:04.28 | Quobble | justin: So newer versions of udev will work with older kernel versions? |
| 04:04.57 | justin | Quobble: you are trying to use the udev that comes with sarge with 2.6.20, right? |
| 04:05.08 | rpc | how secure is it to use such a source of debianised 2.6.20? http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel/ |
| 04:05.20 | knight | justin, cool man it worked :) |
| 04:05.30 | knight | :) |
| 04:05.59 | knight | justin, ive changed the user |
| 04:06.07 | Quobble | Quobble: Er. Possibly. I've never used Debian before. I'm just trying to apt-get install udev, and that seems to require an internet connection, so I assumed that I was downloading the latest version available |
| 04:06.43 | Dewi | debian installer seems to have assumed my hardware clock ran on UTC, but it's on UTC+10 |
| 04:06.48 | Dewi | what do I need to reconfigure to fix it? |
| 04:07.00 | Quobble | justin: I'm starting with Sarge with a 2.4.7 kernel, if that wasn't clear |
| 04:07.04 | justin | Dewi: the debian installer usually asks what your clock is set to |
| 04:07.32 | knight | justin, there is an error mesg like this The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_WorkspaceSwitcherApplet". do u want to delet the applet from your configuration? |
| 04:07.39 | justin | Quobble: if I were you, I'd install whatever the latest 2.6 kernel you can get on backports.org, and leave it at that |
| 04:07.44 | Dewi | justin: I don't remember it asking this time. Are you sure it asks in non-expert mode? |
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| 04:08.05 | justin | Dewi: I've never used expert mode before.... |
| 04:08.12 | Dewi | justin: he can get a 2.6 kernel straight out of sarge |
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| 04:08.26 | justin | Dewi: eh? |
| 04:08.40 | Dewi | justin: sarge supports 2.6 |
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| 04:08.43 | justin | Dewi: anyway, I'd set your clock to UTC unless you run windows or something, or edit /etc/default/rcS |
| 04:08.51 | justin | Dewi: yes, but he wants a newer kernel |
| 04:09.03 | Dewi | justin: well the one in sarge is a lot newer than 2.4 anyway :P |
| 04:09.24 | Dewi | oh, udev |
| 04:09.34 | Dewi | yeah too old for the good stuff there |
| 04:09.48 | Dewi | backports.org is good |
| 04:10.22 | Quobble | Well, I downloaded Sarge yesterday |
| 04:10.28 | Quobble | And the kernel is 2.4.7 |
| 04:10.34 | Azar | rpc I just read about 2.6.20 people say it compiles ok but no nvidia sources for it |
| 04:10.43 | Quobble | Did I somehow get an old version? |
| 04:10.46 | justin | Quobble: the kernel you get by default if you ignore the boot screen is 2.4 |
| 04:10.54 | Azar | Quobble: you should have installed sarge with "linux26" option |
| 04:11.03 | Dewi | Quobble: sarge lets you choose between 2.4.7 and 2.6...... 8 or something |
| 04:11.29 | Azar | Dewi: it has to mention linux26 at install time |
| 04:11.37 | Dewi | Azar: you can change after install too |
| 04:11.44 | Dewi | Azar: but yes |
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| 04:12.05 | Azar | Dewi: sure but what if his hardware dont go for a 2.4? |
| 04:13.28 | Azar | ..and Quobble is gonna be hard to hop over so many versions... go for 2.6.8... then get the 2.6.18 from backports. 2.6.20 is way too new for use right now |
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| 04:15.10 | Quobble | Azar: So compile 2.6.8, switch to udev, then compile 2.6.18? |
| 04:15.40 | Azar | Quobble: you do not have to compile anything find the kernel, aptitude install it and thats it |
| 04:16.18 | Azar | Quobble: apt-cache search kernel-image: look for a 2.6.8 that's made for your cpu architecture, write all line down |
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| 04:16.34 | hark | !depends kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 sarge |
| 04:16.38 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686: depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.63), coreutils | fileutils (>= 4.0), module-init-tools (>= 0.9.13) |
| 04:16.41 | Quobble | Azar: Sorry, I've never used Debian before. It would be a lot easier for me to just compile it myself, I think. Is there any reason I shouldn't do that? |
| 04:16.46 | Azar | Quobble: then: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-xx-xxxall line |
| 04:17.07 | Azar | Quobble: it is a lot easier to get a debian-ready compiled kernel |
| 04:17.30 | Azar | this is not gentoo ya know...:) |
| 04:18.38 | Azar | Quobble: on Debian you will never have to do this: http://www.bash.org/?464385 |
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| 04:19.07 | Azar | aptitude downloads, compiles, installs all for you |
| 04:19.28 | Quobble | Azar: Ah, but I've been using Gentoo for the past three years or so =P |
| 04:19.32 | Azar | err.. no it does not compile, it gets compiled things to you |
| 04:19.45 | Quobble | Azar: And before that, I was using slackware and compiling anything myself anyway |
| 04:19.57 | Quobble | Uh, *everything |
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| 04:20.07 | Azar | Quobble: after you get to know Debian move to Sid and compile there all you like |
| 04:20.46 | Azar | Debian Sarge stable >>> up to >>>> Sid, the unstable |
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| 04:21.24 | Quobble | Azar: OK, I'll try using aptitude. I'm a bit worried I'm going to run into some really strange problems because I had to set up Debian with a different computer from the one I'm now running it on. |
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| 04:23.25 | DocPlatypus | Quobble: as long as they are the same architecture it's probably not an issue |
| 04:23.34 | Azar | Quobble: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html < learn about apt-get and > difference between aptitude and apt-get (dependency handling) http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 04:23.39 | binfalse | unsure |
| 04:23.43 | DocPlatypus | you only run into bizarre problems like that with Windows usually |
| 04:25.41 | Quobble | Azar: Thanks, I'll read that before I start bothering people in the channel again. Thanks for all the help :) |
| 04:26.36 | Quobble | DocPlatypus: I'm not quite sure how the Debian installer handles things, but I thought I might run into some problems due to things being configured for the wrong hardware |
| 04:27.09 | Quobble | DocPlatypus: But I suppose it's fairly unlikely that anything like that will prevent me from downloading a new kernel image |
| 04:28.22 | DocPlatypus | Quobble: it shouldn't |
| 04:28.40 | DocPlatypus | you will only get burned if you take a hard drive with, say, the amd64 port and try to run it on an i386 |
| 04:28.52 | Azar | Quobble: look at this image: install with "linux26" http://en.brunotorres.net/sargeslide/3 |
| 04:29.30 | Azar | ..or "expert26" |
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| 04:31.17 | Quobble | Azar: That's strange; I don't recall even seeing a character-based menu like that |
| 04:31.46 | Azar | Quobble: that is the Debian Sarge Installer snapshot |
| 04:32.05 | Azar | is at the beginning I guess |
| 04:32.15 | rpc | how long should it take to import 900+ pgp keys? |
| 04:32.26 | DocPlatypus | rpc: depends on your box |
| 04:32.40 | DocPlatypus | I'd expect a good minute or two even on a fast box |
| 04:32.47 | rpc | DocPlatypus is it possible that it's taking over 10 mins on dual core? |
| 04:33.00 | Quobble | Azar: Hum. Well, unfortunately I can't just go back and start again, because the laptop doesn't have a working CD drive. |
| 04:33.27 | justin | rpc: did you try and pipe something to gpg and get it wrong so it is waiting on stdin? |
| 04:33.46 | rpc | justin i tried to press enter after a few mins |
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| 04:34.16 | rpc | but that's all i did... then it displayed some warning after a while and now it's sucking 100% of cpu for quite a while, not sure what's going on |
| 04:34.45 | rpc | ...and 200MB of ram too |
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| 04:35.39 | rpc | i mean it was fine until this: gpg: Total number processed: 903 |
| 04:35.55 | rpc | no prompt and sucking resurces like a mad cow for several mins now |
| 04:36.00 | rpc | resources* |
| 04:36.21 | rpc | well, it's over: gpg: Interrupt caught ... exiting :) |
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| 04:42.39 | itchi | Is there a tool to replace all tabs with 4 spaces in files? |
| 04:43.07 | freeone3000 | rename 's/\t/ /' |
| 04:43.22 | itchi | freeone3000: Oh cool, gona try it out :-) |
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| 04:44.43 | itchi | freeone3000: Is it rename 's/\t/ /' *.py ? |
| 04:44.51 | freeone3000 | That would do it, yes. |
| 04:45.34 | itchi | freeone3000: That not work :-s |
| 04:45.49 | itchi | freeone3000: Stil have tabs instead of 4 spaces :-s |
| 04:45.59 | itchi | oeps, i'm on Debian :-) |
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| 04:50.33 | itchi | freeone3000: Yeah, it should need to do it, if i understand the man page |
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| 04:51.18 | itchi | freeone3000: Or maybe that only work on the filename?? |
| 04:52.33 | dondelelcaro | itchi: if you mean within the file, you want perl -pi -e 's/\t/ /g' *.py; |
| 04:52.40 | dondelelcaro | itchi: or the sed equivalent |
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| 04:53.11 | Dewi | is it normal to see "Can't deactivate volume group" just before power off if I am using LVM? |
| 04:53.25 | Dewi | (on my root filesys, as etch encourages) |
| 04:53.59 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Oh, gona try it out :-) It the source of modularbot i look |
| 04:54.23 | itchi | (some keys on my new lapy are shit) |
| 04:55.52 | itchi | Nice laptop this Toshiba Satelitte A110-178, just that crap keyboard that already begin to flash :-s |
| 04:55.57 | chafe | umm... i think a folder got changed to a file somehow |
| 04:55.59 | chafe | is this possible? |
| 04:56.08 | justin | itchi: rename renames files, it doesn't edit them |
| 04:56.18 | chafe | the folder is missing now but there is a file with the name of the folder.. and when i vi the filename it looks like a bunch of random garbage |
| 04:56.26 | Quintin | I'm wanting to lease a machine in a datacenter. any recomendations for providers? I'm strongly considering 1and1 |
| 04:56.26 | itchi | justin: I can not imagine a tab in a filename ;-) |
| 04:56.57 | justin | itchi: if you just have one file just open it in vim and do :set expandtab and then :retab |
| 04:57.46 | itchi | I'm to stupid to learn about Perl :-s |
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| 05:03.38 | rpc | what can be wrong with hdd settings if it can hardly write 5MB/s? and i mean 300GB SATA drive... |
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| 05:04.24 | Ki11Bi11 | is there a good amd dual core mobo combo for debian ? |
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| 05:05.10 | rpc | hdparm -tT says: |
| 05:05.11 | rpc | Timing cached reads: 1854 MB in 1.99 seconds = 932.53 MB/sec |
| 05:05.11 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.18 | rpc | is this ok for 300GB SATA drive? |
| 05:05.43 | itchi | justin: He, that's a nice trick also :-) |
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| 05:07.03 | rpc | Quintin: US or EU dc? |
| 05:08.32 | xsdg | rpc: you'll get more useful numbers from bonnie++ |
| 05:08.40 | xsdg | rpc: also, what filesystem? |
| 05:10.45 | Quintin | rpc: US |
| 05:11.13 | rpc | xsdg hmm never heard of bonnie++ let me do some reading on that one.. thanks :) and the file system is ext3 |
| 05:11.38 | rpc | xsdg it's slow as hell... choking at 4MB/s, i can't even send a file to backup server faster than that |
| 05:11.52 | rpc | Quintin no idea then :/ |
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| 05:12.08 | rpc | Quintin watch for overselling of bw though |
| 05:12.38 | Quintin | rpc: what do you mean? |
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| 05:13.13 | rpc | Quintin they often tell you about 100mbit link while what they really mean is that it's 100mbit to the switch... and the link is shared between 10-20 customers |
| 05:13.38 | rpc | Quintin nothing is this important when choosing a dc... |
| 05:13.39 | Quintin | rpc: ah yea, I've seen that. "100mbit zomg!!" pfft :p |
| 05:13.47 | bartek | Has anyone setup multiple displays on debian? |
| 05:13.54 | rpc | i have seen people on 100mbit having 5mbit upstream 24/7 ;) |
| 05:14.00 | rpc | and 10mbit when they are lucky :p |
| 05:14.09 | Quintin | rpc: hmm |
| 05:14.28 | rpc | and it's not a joke or misconfig. they often do that in cheaper dcs |
| 05:14.33 | Isaac_Newbton | im on 100 mbit and have 100 mbit upstream 24/7 |
| 05:14.34 | Isaac_Newbton | ;) |
| 05:14.42 | rpc | Isaac_Newbton do you pay for it yourself? :) |
| 05:14.49 | Isaac_Newbton | hehe |
| 05:14.51 | Isaac_Newbton | of course not! |
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| 05:14.59 | rpc | he he that's what i thought! :) |
| 05:15.01 | Isaac_Newbton | well, it costs me 10 EURO a month ;) |
| 05:15.15 | rpc | well then it's worth at least 2000E a month :) |
| 05:15.24 | rpc | bw is expansive as hell |
| 05:15.48 | markybob | Isaac_Newbton, what company? |
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| 05:15.51 | Isaac_Newbton | the connection is brand new |
| 05:15.54 | rpc | still a quality dc should offer at least 30-40mbit upstream/downstream most of the time |
| 05:15.56 | Isaac_Newbton | it's student houses |
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| 05:16.19 | rpc | Isaac_Newbton we aren't talking about dorms right now :) |
| 05:16.43 | Isaac_Newbton | ;)) |
| 05:16.45 | rpc | even though their connections usually rock.. |
| 05:17.00 | rpc | ...but they are heavily monitored too and often limited in several ways :) |
| 05:17.10 | Isaac_Newbton | this isn't at least |
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| 05:17.36 | rpc | try to make some traffic and you will see about that :) |
| 05:17.46 | Isaac_Newbton | hehe I already did |
| 05:18.02 | rpc | what traffic are we talking about? :) |
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| 05:18.24 | rpc | like what volume per month i mean |
| 05:19.02 | Isaac_Newbton | no idea, but I can tell you its some TB in three months |
| 05:19.09 | Isaac_Newbton | thats just me, tho |
| 05:19.20 | rpc | oh a TB a month isn't really this much :) |
| 05:19.30 | Isaac_Newbton | with some being more than 20 for sure |
| 05:19.31 | Isaac_Newbton | :) |
| 05:19.44 | rpc | now you are lucky then lol |
| 05:19.44 | Isaac_Newbton | w4r3zd00d ;-) |
| 05:20.05 | eshaase | is there a way to search for any 'unstable' packages on my system? |
| 05:20.11 | rpc | quality DTAG bw as far as i can see... |
| 05:20.17 | Isaac_Newbton | yep |
| 05:20.42 | rpc | :) |
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| 05:20.56 | Isaac_Newbton | the fun thing, its about for 1000 students in 3 different more department houses |
| 05:21.09 | Isaac_Newbton | conenction runs flawlessly |
| 05:21.14 | rpc | well could be just several gigabits in there |
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| 05:21.33 | rpc | traffic exchange is free in there so... |
| 05:21.36 | Isaac_Newbton | well, it's almost directly into some DTAG backbone here |
| 05:21.44 | rpc | must be |
| 05:22.31 | rpc | anyway back to my SATA problem :/ |
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| 05:22.53 | rpc | i think i'm missing something, like debian doesn't fully support sata by default |
| 05:22.56 | Isaac_Newbton | oh yeah, I'm not much into networks stuff. But I like to brag wittit ;-] |
| 05:22.57 | rpc | anyone? |
| 05:23.09 | rpc | you should be with such line ;) |
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| 05:24.41 | markybob | anyone know how many ssl connections your typical dual-core opteron 250 server can handle? i really wish there was a capacity website out there with info like this for all sorts of things, such as mysql load, etc. having to guess gets annoying |
| 05:24.42 | AussieHatter | grrr hisss sata mumble grumble |
| 05:24.56 | rpc | AussieHatter hrm? |
| 05:24.58 | AussieHatter | i ahve been suffering with sata the last few weeks |
| 05:25.03 | rpc | me too |
| 05:25.04 | Rusty1 | lsmod |grep libata << rpc |
| 05:25.07 | rpc | libata causes each SATA port appear as a new SCSI bus. There are individual low-level drivers for the individual SATA chipsets, e.g., ahci, ata_adma, ata_piix, sata_nv, sata_promise, sata_sil, sata_sx4, sata_svw, sata_via, sata_vsc. |
| 05:25.17 | rpc | just reading about that... i'm shocked :/ |
| 05:25.26 | rpc | Rusty1 checking |
| 05:25.47 | rpc | # lsmod |grep libata |
| 05:25.47 | rpc | libata 90644 3 sata_nv,sata_sil,sata_via |
| 05:25.48 | rpc | scsi_mod 124872 4 sd_mod,libata,3w_9xxx,3w_xxxx |
| 05:26.03 | AussieHatter | rusty1: it detected mine as hda |
| 05:26.08 | itchi | May i allowed to spam on join to those of .be to make noise about the FOSDEM for next week? |
| 05:26.12 | AussieHatter | sarge that is |
| 05:26.19 | rpc | sda here but still it works like 10 years old ata drive without UDMA |
| 05:26.19 | AussieHatter | etch works great |
| 05:26.25 | rpc | i'm on etch... |
| 05:26.28 | AussieHatter | rpc: yeah, i suffered that too |
| 05:26.31 | itchi | Just a little message as remainder |
| 05:26.33 | rpc | help! |
| 05:26.41 | AussieHatter | sdparm output ? |
| 05:26.51 | rpc | -tT you mean? |
| 05:26.54 | AussieHatter | yes |
| 05:27.33 | itchi | ... like theres a Debian devroom ... |
| 05:27.40 | rpc | hm that works only for hdparm, is it ok? |
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| 05:27.48 | rpc | and sdparm says: |
| 05:27.48 | rpc | # sdparm -v /dev/sda |
| 05:27.48 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.48 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:27.54 | AussieHatter | hmmm, IIRC hdparm is only for pata |
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| 05:28.16 | rpc | damn bot... do i really need to use pastebin for TWO lines? |
| 05:28.18 | Rusty1 | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html FWIW |
| 05:28.19 | itchi | rpc: Make use of a paster ;-) |
| 05:28.29 | rpc | hm |
| 05:28.56 | rpc | btw this is -tT on hdparm: |
| 05:28.58 | rpc | Timing cached reads: 1840 MB in 1.99 seconds = 924.97 MB/sec |
| 05:28.58 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.27 | rpc | and please repeat if you were typing meanwhile as i lost all the text on kick :/ |
| 05:29.56 | pipeline | not ALL devices are libata, mind you |
| 05:29.57 | pipeline | e.g. sx8 |
| 05:30.04 | rpc | hmm |
| 05:30.07 | AussieHatter | rpc: that is good speed |
| 05:30.07 | pipeline | although sx8 is a very sick driver |
| 05:30.08 | westside | so I'm having trouble figuring out how to mount a firewire drive. I see the drive in /proc/bus/ieee1394/devices but get an error in /var/log/messages that says |
| 05:30.24 | pipeline | AussieHatter: It's pretty typical for contiguous read/write on a modern drive, actually |
| 05:30.29 | rpc | AussieHatter well but that's only with that test... in real life i can hardly move a file as it chokes at 4MB/s |
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| 05:30.35 | westside | no drivers for IEEE1394 product 0x000000/0x0090a9/0xce0002 |
| 05:30.37 | pipeline | AussieHatter: seek times will make sure that that goes to shit. |
| 05:31.00 | westside | do I just have to add that to the /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-386/modules.ieee1394map file? |
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| 05:31.03 | rpc | i can't delete files fast even... takes ~30 seconds for a mere 10GB one |
| 05:31.10 | AussieHatter | pipeline: but seek times are not affected by the driver ? |
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| 05:31.23 | westside | for the sbp2 ? |
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| 05:31.34 | AussieHatter | rpc: using samba or normal tools ? |
| 05:31.45 | madd_matt | Can I limit the bandwidth apt-get uses? |
| 05:31.49 | AussieHatter | 'a mere 10gb' |
| 05:31.53 | rpc | AussieHatter normal ones |
| 05:31.56 | pipeline | rpc: deleting files should take a long time anyway |
| 05:32.03 | AussieHatter | 10gb |
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| 05:32.04 | AussieHatter | is not mere |
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| 05:32.13 | rpc | well yes but it really is slow as hell, especially when moving between partitions |
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| 05:32.22 | rpc | it acts like 10 years old drive... or worse |
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| 05:32.49 | AussieHatter | between partitions... means the same channel... |
| 05:32.49 | CompWizrd | what's readahead set to on that drive? |
| 05:32.51 | rpc | i can hardly pull 40mbit when sending to a backup server... and that's a hdd limit! |
| 05:33.07 | rpc | AussieHatter i know mate but it really is faster on an old ATA drive than this one |
| 05:33.18 | AussieHatter | hmmm |
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| 05:33.28 | rpc | CompWizrd hmm not sure if i know how to check that? |
| 05:33.31 | Dewi | is it normal to see "Can't deactivate volume group" just before power off if I am using LVM (for my root FS)? |
| 05:33.33 | CompWizrd | blockdev --getra /dev/sda |
| 05:33.43 | rpc | CompWizrd thank you, checking |
| 05:33.50 | itchi | dondelelcaro: May i spam onjoin to the .be users in PM to make noise about FOSDEM for next week? |
| 05:33.50 | CompWizrd | think debian defaults that to 256 |
| 05:33.55 | rpc | 256 |
| 05:33.59 | rpc | isn't that wrong? |
| 05:34.15 | CompWizrd | you could see what blockdev --setra 16384 /dev/sda does for your performance |
| 05:34.28 | rpc | hmm won't that screw the drive? |
| 05:34.31 | mike__ | I am running sid with kernel 2.6.20 smp,however with this kernel my p4/3.2 reboots when i select "shut down"? |
| 05:34.37 | AussieHatter | what about the other outputs of sdparm |
| 05:34.45 | AussieHatter | 32 biut access, etc |
| 05:34.54 | AussieHatter | is only dma turned on ? |
| 05:35.02 | rpc | CompWizrd won't that break my drive? i mean i would love to try but is it safe to play with that? |
| 05:35.07 | CompWizrd | rpc: it's not a setting on the drive itself, it's a setting for the OS to read ahead when it does reads.. asks for larger blocks at a time |
| 05:35.17 | rpc | AussieHatter hmm i will paste in pastebin in a sec |
| 05:35.28 | rpc | CompWizrd oh that sounds pretty good |
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| 05:35.54 | CompWizrd | it's one of the required settings for 3ware hardware controllers to get better performance |
| 05:35.54 | bosko | Has anyone configured debian with dual monitors? I found this guide: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773544 but my second monitor is an HDTV so I am NOT SURE if this will work at all... |
| 05:35.54 | CompWizrd | reads on one of my system go from about 300-350 m/s to 600 m/s after i set that |
| 05:35.58 | rpc | CompWizrd hm right now i'm not using 3ware, just a bulk via controller |
| 05:36.07 | rpc | CompWizrd oh damn.. nice |
| 05:36.20 | CompWizrd | still worth trying, if it doesn't make a difference you can always reset it back to 256 |
| 05:36.24 | rpc | is it ok to set it even higher? |
| 05:36.26 | CompWizrd | it doesn't save it anywhere, so a reboot resets it too |
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| 05:37.17 | rpc | i do appreciate, very nice hint - at least first one that gives me a hope |
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| 05:38.00 | dondelelcaro | itchi: no, but it would be appropriate to make an announcement to -events or put something in the topic |
| 05:38.12 | westside | so no 1394 guru's around? |
| 05:38.13 | rpc | hm how about this? IO_support = 0 (default 16-bit) |
| 05:38.14 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Oh, will be great :-) |
| 05:38.17 | rpc | shouldn't that be 32? |
| 05:39.08 | rpc | AussieHatter i can't seem to get any info from this drive via sdparm... strange a bit |
| 05:39.08 | itchi | dondelelcaro: That's the devroom/debian http://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/devroom/debian |
| 05:39.38 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Somethings in the topic is *perfect* :-) |
| 05:40.02 | AussieHatter | rpc: i will just check these two oi have here, one sec |
| 05:40.19 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 05:40.20 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> Debian at FOSDEM http://xrl.us/uw2g | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test etch d-i http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 05:40.36 | CompWizrd | i don't have any drives available to me that aren't sitting in a 3ware controller setup, so i can't tell you much on hdparm/sdparm |
| 05:40.38 | rpc | AussieHatter thank you very much |
| 05:41.07 | itchi | dondelelcaro: Great great great! :-) |
| 05:41.07 | rpc | CompWizrd but doesn't 16-bit i/o sound a bit ancient? |
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| 05:41.12 | rpc | or this setting: geometry = 36481/255/63, sectors = 586072368, start = 0 ? |
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| 05:41.36 | k-man | is there a debian installer cd that supports software raid and lvm2? |
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| 05:41.55 | CompWizrd | rpc: considering how old hdparm is, and how new SATA is, in relation to each other, not really |
| 05:41.58 | k-man | i tried the debian live cd but it doesn't seem to have lvm |
| 05:42.05 | Dewi | k-man: there is no debian live cd |
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| 05:42.22 | CompWizrd | and the geometry sounds sane, LBA is slightly weird |
| 05:42.29 | Dewi | k-man: not officially anyway |
| 05:42.39 | rpc | CompWizrd and how about that the box just died... i tried to cp a 8GB file to test speed |
| 05:42.49 | Dewi | k-man: there is a guy doing one but it doesn't really reflect what the installer is capable of |
| 05:42.50 | k-man | dewi, well... there is one that i'm using |
| 05:43.00 | rpc | there is something wrong damn it and that has to do with this damned drive :( |
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| 05:43.20 | k-man | Dewi, ok... well... is there anything i can boot off that has support for software raid and lvm? |
| 05:43.25 | Dewi | k-man: the debian installer supports LVM; I'm not sure if it's LVM2 |
| 05:43.32 | Dewi | k-man: I don't know about software RAID |
| 05:43.35 | k-man | hmmm.. |
| 05:43.36 | rpc | it dies every time there is some hd traffic going on - moving files or such |
| 05:44.00 | CompWizrd | possibly a bad cable? |
| 05:44.21 | Dewi | k-man: there is a partman-auto-raid package |
| 05:44.22 | CompWizrd | does it throw any errors into the logfiles? |
| 05:44.40 | rpc | i don't believe it's a cable - it's a fresh box. and no, nothing in logs at all |
| 05:44.43 | Dewi | k-man: which is an installer package for setting up RAID |
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| 05:44.49 | bosko | How can I retrieve info about a connected monitor? |
| 05:44.55 | Dewi | k-man: have you checked the list of optional installer components in expert mode in the installer? |
| 05:45.24 | Dewi | k-man: the default debian kernel definitely supports LVM2 BTW |
| 05:45.29 | Dewi | k-man: for etch I mean |
| 05:45.48 | josh415 | bosko: try glxinfo |
| 05:45.55 | rpc | CompWizrd i just realised that each time my box went down it had to do with traffic... i thought it was related to eth0 but now i see that the drive is involved... it can't handle the load over 3-4MB/s |
| 05:46.11 | bosko | no go.. |
| 05:46.18 | rpc | CompWizrd and it just happened again when cp-ing a file |
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| 05:46.47 | Dewi | rpc: what kernel you using? |
| 05:46.59 | Dewi | rpc: I've had a problem like that before, but it was in BSD. I changed to linux and it stopped |
| 05:46.59 | rpc | Dewi 2.6.18-3 |
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| 05:47.21 | rpc | Dewi hmm... so you recall same probs? like very low speeds on sata, etc? |
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| 05:47.33 | Dewi | rpc: oh this hardware was very much older than sata |
| 05:47.34 | yoshi | anyone here? |
| 05:47.36 | rpc | it's just choking and dies out of the blue after some megs sent |
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| 05:47.54 | Dewi | rpc: but basically my HD worked, my LAN worked, but if I used both at once the machine would die horribly |
| 05:47.59 | Dewi | rpc: which made downloads difficult! |
| 05:48.03 | yoshi | i was trying to find the sys requirements for the current version of debian. |
| 05:48.07 | Dewi | rpc: must have been some kind of interrupt problem |
| 05:48.14 | rpc | Dewi yes! i'm having same shit now, exactly - it's related to eth0/hdd |
| 05:48.28 | Dewi | rpc: maybe they are sharing an IRQ or something and not liking it |
| 05:48.29 | rpc | box gets unstable at once when there is some traffic going |
| 05:48.30 | justin | yoshi: was your system made in the last 10 years? |
| 05:48.37 | yoshi | yeah i think so |
| 05:48.38 | yoshi | it's a p2 |
| 05:48.39 | Dewi | rpc: if it's a LAN card try moving it to another slot and telling the BIOS to resent configuration data |
| 05:48.42 | rpc | Dewi how can i check that? |
| 05:48.50 | Dewi | rpc: I dunno it's a bit arcane |
| 05:48.51 | dondelelcaro | yoshi: there areally aren't any that have been published, but it pretty much works on anything with more than 32M of ram. |
| 05:49.00 | yoshi | coolness |
| 05:49.03 | yoshi | then i can run it |
| 05:49.04 | Dewi | rpc: also consider swapping the LAN card for another, problems like this tend to be pretty random by nature |
| 05:49.10 | dondelelcaro | yoshi: less than that and it can still work, you just have to put in a little bit of effort |
| 05:49.11 | justin | dondelelcaro: can't you get away with 16 if you use swap in the installer? |
| 05:49.16 | rpc | dewi that i can't do.. it's a remote box :) |
| 05:49.27 | Dewi | rpc: actually now that I think about it... that's how I fixed it; I changed to another slightly older LAN card |
| 05:49.34 | Dewi | rpc: but I'm not sure this was even in linux |
| 05:49.38 | dondelelcaro | justin: well, the best way is to not show a full mirror to the machine ever |
| 05:49.42 | itchi | yoshi: I have here a P1 with 32 MB running, with fluxbox :-) |
| 05:49.51 | rpc | Dewi hmm... |
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| 05:50.52 | yoshi | the question is which CD image do i want |
| 05:51.06 | itchi | yoshi: I run sarge on it |
| 05:51.28 | yoshi | i am trying to figyure out which CD image to download |
| 05:51.32 | yoshi | so i can burn it |
| 05:51.36 | rpc | Dewi now i realised that i sometimes can't boot the box too... it hangs while accessing the drive |
| 05:51.40 | Dewi | rpc: PCs used to be full of such random arcande hardware conflicts... it occurs less as time goes on; last time I saw that was on hardware from almost 10 years ago |
| 05:51.50 | Dewi | rpc: maybe your drive is just faulty |
| 05:51.53 | rpc | Dewi so basically it dies every time there is some heavier hdd traffic |
| 05:51.55 | Dewi | rpc: run a SMART check? |
| 05:52.00 | itchi | yoshi: I always make use of the netinstal; but have an apt-proxy server here |
| 05:52.07 | rpc | Dewi i tried, it's a fresh drive and there are no problems at all |
| 05:52.17 | westside | so I put my dive in /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-386/modules.ieee1394map and mapped it to sbp2, i can see it in /proc/bus/ieee1394/devices yet there is nothing in /proc/scsi/scsi it says no devices attached. can anyone suggest something I should read to figure out what i'm doing wrong |
| 05:52.27 | yoshi | yeah netinstall not so much of an option for me |
| 05:52.36 | rpc | Dewi and yes, i know about various irq problems in older hw... it in fact was like that but this one is just insane |
| 05:52.39 | Dewi | rpc: what SATA controller? |
| 05:52.46 | rpc | Dewi it's a VIA chipset |
| 05:53.06 | CompWizrd | on a pc chips motherboard? :) |
| 05:53.08 | Dewi | rpc: the motherboard or the SATA? |
| 05:53.23 | rpc | VP_IDE: VIA vt8237 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci0000:00:0f.1 |
| 05:53.25 | itchi | yoshi: If i remember, i had need of that boot flopy too, like that damn cd rom won't boot up |
| 05:53.40 | Dewi | rpc: that looks more like IDE-ATA than SATA |
| 05:53.45 | rpc | CompWizrd how can i check the manufacturer of the mobo in console? |
| 05:54.05 | rpc | Dewi that drive is purely sata, i'm sure about that |
| 05:54.05 | CompWizrd | rpc: it was a joke, pc chips(ecs) made some pretty crappy boards, and then stuck via controllers on them |
| 05:54.06 | rpc | even being recogn. as sda |
| 05:54.15 | rpc | CompWizrd i can imagine :) |
| 05:54.19 | Dewi | rpc: you're probably pasting the wrong line |
| 05:54.35 | rpc | Dewi i found that in dmesg, let me double check the whole output |
| 05:54.55 | CompWizrd | btw, lshw is a good package for figuring out what's in a machine |
| 05:55.23 | Dewi | rpc: look for scsi or serial or sata in 'lspci' output |
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| 05:55.50 | markybob | i wonder if debian sid will go from gnome 2.14 straight to gnome 2.18. |
| 05:56.07 | yoshi | heh fun thing about this even if i pick an option like i386 to downlaod there are even more options afterward |
| 05:56.10 | rpc | Dewi well there is plenty of irq sharing stuff in dmesg... |
| 05:56.43 | rpc | plus lspci is missing, i can't remember what package is that |
| 05:56.59 | rpc | CompWizrd i will try that one |
| 05:57.39 | markybob | rpc lspci is in pciutils |
| 05:57.50 | Krazy-J | anyone know what the command is to send mail via ssh? |
| 05:58.00 | Krazy-J | i tried mail --help |
| 05:58.03 | Krazy-J | used that command for help |
| 05:58.09 | Krazy-J | but it just hangs for 2minutes trying to send mail |
| 05:58.14 | Dewi | Krazy-J: um... via ssh? do you mean "from a standard unix-style terminal?" |
| 05:58.22 | markybob | kraypius, you have to install package mailx. that's where the command 'mail' comes from |
| 05:58.34 | rpc | markybob thank you very much |
| 05:58.34 | Krazy-J | yes Dewl |
| 05:58.35 | Dewi | Krazy-J: echo message | mail -s subject recipient@domain |
| 05:58.36 | Cowboy | same command as for normal login... mail, mailx, /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 05:59.11 | Dewi | Krazy-J: it's not really hanging, it's waiting for you to type the message and send EOF (ctrl-d) |
| 05:59.22 | rpc | Dewi? 00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA RAID Controller (rev 80) |
| 05:59.22 | rpc | 00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) |
| 05:59.30 | yoshi | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/bt-cd/ <---- which one of these do i chose |
| 05:59.31 | Krazy-J | ahh |
| 05:59.31 | itchi | Krazy-J: . on a new line and enter |
| 05:59.34 | Dewi | Krazy-J: but it is completely linear; it doesn't provide 'editing' capabilities |
| 05:59.36 | Krazy-J | worked fine :) |
| 05:59.39 | Krazy-J | cheers people :) |
| 05:59.42 | Dewi | itchi: nope, that's smtp |
| 05:59.47 | Dewi | itchi: . won't terminate a file |
| 05:59.56 | Dewi | itchi: and mail should fill those details in for you anyway |
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| 06:00.01 | Krazy-J | any way to alter the from / email details? |
| 06:00.01 | itchi | Dewi: with 'mail' ?? |
| 06:00.13 | Dewi | itchi: well I never have anyway :) |
| 06:00.27 | itchi | Dewi: I talk about that 'mail' app |
| 06:00.29 | Dewi | itchi: oh if you're entering directly then maybe . could work |
| 06:00.35 | markybob | kraypius, for example ... echo "message here" |mail -s foo markybob@foo.com |
| 06:00.56 | yoshi | or do i need all 15 images? |
| 06:00.57 | Dewi | itchi: seems cleaner just to terminate the file though |
| 06:00.59 | itchi | Dewi: Guessing he have not pipe stuff to 'mail' |
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| 06:01.19 | Dewi | markybob: already done |
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| 06:02.10 | Krazy-J | any way to alter the from / email details? |
| 06:02.11 | Dewi | Krazy-J: see 'man mail'. You can supply a 'From: blah@blah' header using -a I think |
| 06:02.25 | Krazy-J | ok thanks |
| 06:02.25 | Dewi | Krazy-J: but that will modify the internal From address, not the envelope sender |
| 06:02.36 | Dewi | Krazy-J: so bounces will go wherever they would have gone anyway |
| 06:02.40 | j0e_ | yoshi, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/bt-cd/debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent |
| 06:03.15 | Dewi | Krazy-J: I think to affect envelope sender you need something like: -- -f sender@domain |
| 06:03.35 | Dewi | Krazy-J: (has to be at end of command) |
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| 06:04.20 | yoshi | thanks |
| 06:04.25 | Dewi | Krazy-J: -- means 'pass subsequent options to sendmail' so -f is a sendmail option |
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| 06:05.34 | rpc | nice... looks like i need to build a custom kernel just to run the damned drive, i hate via |
| 06:05.53 | rpc | always causing problems, since i can remember and that's a long time |
| 06:06.03 | rpc | why can't it just work as intel does :( |
| 06:06.13 | Krazy-J | thanks people !:) |
| 06:09.07 | Krazy-J | any idea how i could include the time of the server in the email body? |
| 06:09.40 | josh415 | Krazy-J: use the unix `date` command |
| 06:12.32 | j0e_ | Just Installed it seting up x |
| 06:12.37 | Krazy-J | perfect :) |
| 06:12.50 | Krazy-J | thanks guys |
| 06:13.23 | rpc | i have just found that my eth0 NIC is using same irq as my VIA hdd controller... how can i force one of them to use another irq at boot time? |
| 06:14.41 | itchi | rpc: You can define that i think by specifing a param when you load your module |
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| 06:15.29 | rpc | itchi hmm... that would rock, perhaps the problem is solved then |
| 06:15.38 | Gnea | rpc: try using this as a kernel boottime argument: pci=routeirq |
| 06:15.59 | rpc | Gnea oh thank you - let me try right now and see how it helps |
| 06:16.40 | rpc | i can see that there is also USB packed onto irq10 in there... so eth0, hdd controller and yet USB, all sharing same damn irq10 |
| 06:16.45 | rpc | that's crazy :/ |
| 06:17.40 | Gnea | rpc: if your system is modern enough, it should be possible to change the way the irq's are setup so that they use higher irq's for each device... i think it would be an edge setup or something like that |
| 06:17.58 | Gnea | you may have to tweak some bios settings if routeirq doesn't work |
| 06:18.11 | CompWizrd | surprised acpi didn't fix most of that up |
| 06:19.27 | Gnea | CompWizrd: i use acpi with pci=routeirq and that tends to solve the problem |
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| 06:19.34 | Gnea | each device on my system has its own irq |
| 06:19.35 | Krazy-J | is there a way to do a search on files that are over x amount of mb? |
| 06:19.56 | rpc | CompWizrd hmm |
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| 06:20.21 | rpc | Gnea is there a risk that box won't boot with pci=routeirq passed? |
| 06:20.25 | Gnea | it gets crazy tho, irq 169 for the hd controller, 177 for a nic, 193 for sound... |
| 06:20.34 | rpc | Gnea as i don't have physical access to that box |
| 06:20.35 | Gnea | rpc: maybe 1% |
| 06:20.43 | itchi | Krazy-J: find --help ;-) |
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| 06:21.04 | rpc | so you recommend using ACPI together with that routeirq thing? |
| 06:21.12 | Gnea | yeah |
| 06:21.15 | rpc | it's a modern box, X2 4600+ on MSI board |
| 06:21.16 | Gnea | what cpu/mobo is it? |
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| 06:21.21 | Gnea | oh cool |
| 06:21.27 | Gnea | this system is an MSI as well |
| 06:21.30 | rpc | and the hdd speed just sucks in there |
| 06:21.32 | Gnea | it'll work. what kernel? |
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| 06:21.53 | rpc | Gnea perhaps you would know what is wrong, i can hardly pull 4MB/s from the SATA drive and it tends to die out of the blue |
| 06:22.02 | rpc | 2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 06:22.22 | Gnea | rpc: hrm... you may want to reconfigure and compile a kernel from scratch if you're proficient with it |
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| 06:22.39 | Gnea | i always get better performance that way |
| 06:22.53 | rpc | Gnea not too much to be honest and i'm a bit scared to screw up everything as that would mean redoing whole box, i'm still hoping that there is a simple fix to this problem |
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| 06:23.14 | Gnea | rpc: you really can't go wrong with acpi+pci=routeirq |
| 06:23.23 | rpc | Gnea so far i noticed that each time there is a traffic on eth0 which involves the hdd... it all dies and i need to reboot |
| 06:23.39 | Gnea | rpc: but you should be careful... how many nics does it have? |
| 06:23.43 | rpc | and eth0 plus hdd plus usb all use same irq10 so perhaps that's the prob |
| 06:23.46 | rpc | 1 |
| 06:23.51 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 06:23.56 | Gnea | shouldn't be a problem then |
| 06:24.00 | rpc | and now it's bridged too :) |
| 06:24.17 | Gnea | yeah, i had them all on an irq too - with acpi and pci=routeirq, each device got its own irq mapped to it :) |
| 06:24.31 | rpc | ok let me change the lilo and fire it up - hope it will be all good then |
| 06:24.38 | rpc | nice, very nice :) |
| 06:24.44 | rpc | thank you very much - brb |
| 06:24.47 | floundering | Hi, on sarge, apt-get and aptitude have started failing with segmentation faults, What should I check? |
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| 06:24.50 | Gnea | this system has 4 nics in it ;) |
| 06:24.55 | rpc | he he |
| 06:25.17 | Gnea | cpu type and kernel version |
| 06:25.24 | Gnea | floundering: cpu type and kernel version |
| 06:25.43 | rpc | Gnea: append="noapic nolapic pci=routeirq acpi=on" ? what do you think? |
| 06:25.46 | Gnea | man, i might have to go to walmart to get some canned air |
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| 06:26.00 | Gnea | rpc: why turn apic off? |
| 06:26.10 | rpc | hm i thought it was causing probs too |
| 06:26.20 | Gnea | hrm |
| 06:26.22 | rpc | but since it didn't change much.. i can as well enable that |
| 06:26.29 | rpc | what really happens is: |
| 06:26.29 | Gnea | yeah |
| 06:26.37 | floundering | Gnea: 2.6.18-3-686 and a pentium3 500Mhz |
| 06:26.53 | Gnea | floundering: etch or sid? |
| 06:26.57 | rpc | when i try to upload to a backup server... let's say it's going 5MB/s... after 40-50 secs. the eth0 dies and i need to remote reset |
| 06:27.06 | eshaase | is the APT::Default-Release variable no longer encouraged to be used in apt.conf? |
| 06:27.11 | Gnea | rpc: what chipset is the nic? |
| 06:27.12 | rpc | it happens each time when there is a heavy load on the hdd, cp-ing even |
| 06:27.18 | rpc | rtl 8169 |
| 06:27.21 | floundering | Gnea: sarge with a backport kernel |
| 06:27.23 | Gnea | oh god |
| 06:27.27 | Gnea | realtek - no wonder |
| 06:27.31 | rpc | :( |
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| 06:27.46 | rpc | it's a gigabit one, i was told they aren't this bad? |
| 06:28.05 | Gnea | rpc: the issue is with the nic - you should look into getting a pci nic and getting that one disabled |
| 06:28.17 | Gnea | 3com makes some very good nics |
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| 06:28.28 | rpc | Gnea hmm. so you definetly recommend swapping that nic |
| 06:28.34 | Gnea | rpc: oh hell yeah |
| 06:28.40 | Gnea | but |
| 06:28.49 | Gnea | try the reboot first |
| 06:28.50 | Gnea | maybe that'll fix it |
| 06:28.54 | rpc | but can it be this fux0red so my drive can't work at all? 4MB/s off modern SATA.. that's ridiculous |
| 06:28.58 | rpc | yes, just about to |
| 06:29.00 | rpc | append="noapic nolapic pci=routeirq acpi=on" |
| 06:29.04 | rpc | err sorry |
| 06:29.14 | Gnea | i mean, you've got crossed irq's all over the place - that's probably what's causing all of these problems |
| 06:29.30 | Gnea | append="lapic pci=routeirq acpi=on" |
| 06:29.37 | Gnea | try that ^^ |
| 06:29.51 | rpc | i enabled lapic |
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| 06:30.00 | Gnea | is it back up? |
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| 06:30.05 | rpc | waiting |
| 06:30.08 | Gnea | k |
| 06:30.30 | rpc | got it back :) |
| 06:30.36 | rpc | it was the longest 10 secs ever :) |
| 06:30.41 | Gnea | lol |
| 06:30.46 | rpc | now let me check irqs, can't wait |
| 06:30.46 | Gnea | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 06:30.50 | rpc | yup, brb |
| 06:30.52 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:31.09 | rpc | woah |
| 06:31.17 | Gnea | did it spread 'em out? |
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| 06:31.28 | rpc | yes! it's totally diff now |
| 06:31.32 | rpc | let me paste in pastebin |
| 06:31.33 | Gnea | sweet |
| 06:31.34 | Gnea | ok |
| 06:31.44 | mapez | this might be a retarded question but how do you guys know what goes in /bin/ /etc/ /proc/ and where to install stuff? Thats what has always cofnused me most. |
| 06:32.02 | rpc | mapez no question is retarded |
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| 06:32.12 | rpc | Gnea: http://www.pastebin.ca/361564 |
| 06:32.22 | Gnea | mapez: /proc is dynamically generated at boottime, /etc is always configuration files, and /bin is where the base programs for the system go |
| 06:32.25 | k-man_ | can i boot off a partition that is lvm on software raid1? |
| 06:32.28 | rpc | Gnea i see libata on its own for the 1st time... same as eth0 |
| 06:32.28 | mapez | rpc: i'm actually just backing up all my stuff so I can make the full jump tomorrow. |
| 06:32.47 | k-man_ | or do i need to make a non lvm boot partition to hold the boot files? |
| 06:32.58 | rpc | mapez you should take care of /bin and /etc |
| 06:33.07 | mapez | Gnea: and like /home/ and stuff I just find it all so confusing like say I were to install Quake 3.. Where would I install it too? |
| 06:33.09 | rpc | mapez better yet, you might want to bit-copy whole partition |
| 06:33.27 | Gnea | rpc: yeah, that looks right. that should fix most of your problems right there. :) try to do a transfer now |
| 06:33.47 | Dewi | !tell mapez about FHS |
| 06:33.47 | Gnea | mapez: /usr/games/ probably |
| 06:33.53 | haggz | rcp/gnea: that was an awesome debug process, hope its actually stable under load now, im clipping that into my irc reference files. :) |
| 06:33.55 | rpc | Gnea :) :) let's just hope it works now... before i couldn't even copy a file on the same partition as it would die within seconds |
| 06:34.00 | Gnea | mapez: you really need to read some beginner guides though :) |
| 06:34.08 | rpc | haggz doh :) |
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| 06:34.26 | rpc | haggz i couldn't find anyone to help me for the last 3 days |
| 06:34.29 | Dewi | mapez: debian tries to follow the FHS for file organisation, see dpkg query |
| 06:34.33 | Gnea | haggz: cool :) |
| 06:34.43 | rpc | testing... |
| 06:34.50 | Gnea | !newbiedoc |
| 06:34.50 | mapez | Yeah, I'll look into it. I meant next week not to tomorrow* the whole filesystem hierarchy has always confused me.. i've used ubuntu for 6 months about a year ago.. yeah Dewi I'm checking it out in a sec here. |
| 06:34.50 | dpkg | hmm... newbiedoc is http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ -- newbies check it out! veterans too, so you can contribute! :) |
| 06:35.15 | rpc | now that's really funny to have irq:177 in the box :) |
| 06:35.15 | haggz | its interesting we tend to debug in the opposite direction from 20 years ago -- it used to be "always try bios debuging for interrupts first" but nowadays we usually trust that stuff to be stable and look at higher level configuration for our problems initially |
| 06:35.27 | rpc | haggz he he |
| 06:36.06 | Gnea | rpc: all the linux kernel did was take advantage of the system's main irq (9) to redistribute the hardware under their own irq masks so that their operations won't conflict with each other :) |
| 06:36.34 | Dewi | mapez: under ideal conditions you will leave most of the filesystem to your package manager. The important things to know are: /etc for configuration, /home/* is for each user to use as it wishes, /var/log has useful logs, /usr/share/doc has useful documentation |
| 06:36.40 | eshaase | can i specify APT::Default-Release "etch"; in apt.conf? |
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| 06:36.54 | mapez | dewi, sounds good. |
| 06:36.55 | rpc | Gnea so that's irq routing thing, right? |
| 06:37.00 | mapez | and just one more quick question.. |
| 06:37.02 | Gnea | rpc: exactly. |
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| 06:37.25 | mapez | oh, one more q before I go to bed.. I uh, have two hard drives one 250gb and one 300gb both SATA. How should I partition? |
| 06:37.54 | rpc | Gnea the box is still up... and i can see more activity in top now... most likely the prob is fixed... |
| 06:38.03 | Gnea | rpc: the cpu uses the APIC function to control the ACPI which hands the control over to the kernel's internal IRQ routing scheme |
| 06:38.12 | rpc | Gnea i have yet to see speeds, hopefully not 4MB/s anymore and choking |
| 06:38.25 | itchi | How can we t'check wich irq some stuff use? |
| 06:38.36 | Gnea | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 06:38.36 | rpc | Gnea so having acpi turned to off before was a wrong idea.. and that's how i had it |
| 06:38.45 | itchi | Gnea: Thanks :-) |
| 06:38.50 | Gnea | rpc: that was part of the problem :) |
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| 06:38.59 | Gnea | !beer rpc |
| 06:39.01 | Gnea | !beer itchi |
| 06:39.02 | rpc | hm |
| 06:39.11 | Dewi | mapez: any way you want. You can split off as many or as few as you want, but the main system will only need a tiny fraction of either of those disks. I would give the rest of the first to /home, and all of the other to some mount point of your own invention. I use /aux0 |
| 06:39.13 | rpc | and yet a beer... who is that guy lol |
| 06:39.29 | Gnea | rpc: yeah, let it run for awhile and see how it goes |
| 06:39.40 | rpc | Gnea i don't want to say thank you yet... but it looks like things really changed, box is still up |
| 06:39.43 | itchi | Gnea: I was looking to the output of lspci -v but not so nice as that /proc/interrupts |
| 06:39.49 | rpc | cp-ing a 10GB file |
| 06:39.56 | Gnea | yikes |
| 06:39.59 | Gnea | good luck :) |
| 06:40.02 | itchi | Gnea: ++ |
| 06:40.07 | Gnea | brb |
| 06:40.23 | rpc | finished! nothing died... |
| 06:40.38 | haggz | rpc: my desktop etch system is etch, 80gb sata drive, 2.6.18-3k7 kernel and has good throughput and handles high volume read/writes so basic config works for me |
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| 06:40.49 | mapez | Dewi: Thanks man. :d |
| 06:40.54 | Dewi | mapez: then I find it quite convenient to carve up /aux0 for different uses and symlink it back into the main system. So you might have a bunch of space for user 'mapez' under /home/mapez, and then give him some extra space in /aux0/home/mapez, and then for ease of use make a symlink: /home/mapez/extra -> /aux0/home/mapez |
| 06:41.05 | AussieHatter | rpc: so quick list of problems ? |
| 06:41.16 | AussieHatter | irq ? |
| 06:41.19 | rpc | AussieHatter nice to see you again :) |
| 06:41.31 | rpc | Gnea just came in and told me to do some funky stuff with irqs |
| 06:41.32 | AussieHatter | yeah, phone and visitors |
| 06:41.35 | AussieHatter | cool |
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| 06:41.43 | rpc | haggz hmm |
| 06:42.02 | rpc | AussieHatter i realised that eth0, hdd and usb was using same irq10... |
| 06:42.20 | rpc | AussieHatter it couldn't work... and probably was knocking down each other during upload |
| 06:42.51 | iamtheric | hmm |
| 06:42.56 | rpc | AussieHatter i did what Gnea said (enabled irq routing) and now i could cp a file without problems for the 1st time... just not sure about speeds yet, checking soon |
| 06:43.04 | Dewi | mapez: then for most uses you can just act as though that big chunk of another disk is in your home directory. Samba and apache will normally treat symlinks like directories, but some things like 'find' need to be told specifically to -follow them |
| 06:43.26 | rpc | and this is how my irqs look now: http://www.pastebin.ca/361564 |
| 06:43.38 | AussieHatter | enabled irq routing ? didnt know about that |
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| 06:43.56 | AussieHatter | where did you do that ? |
| 06:44.03 | Dewi | is it normal to see "Can't deactivate volume group" just before power off if I am using LVM (for my root FS)? |
| 06:44.11 | AussieHatter | sorry i missed the conv. i can go back up and look |
| 06:44.33 | mapez | Dewi: Thanks man, and to everyone else who helped that I forgot! I'll definatly be talking to you guys later.. Thats for sure.. One more thing. Any idea how to fill 500gb up? |
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| 06:44.53 | AussieHatter | mapez: lol. start video editing. |
| 06:44.54 | Dewi | mapez: cat /dev/urandom > file |
| 06:44.58 | haggz | mapez: run all system processes in debug mode and keep all logs |
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| 06:45.10 | floundering | Gnea: the aptitude log shows aptitude working ok for about six days after I installed that kernel, The last thing I installed was cron-apt. dpkg -P cron-apt did no good. |
| 06:45.13 | rpc | AussieHatter give me a sec, i will tell you |
| 06:46.02 | rpc | AussieHatter this worked for me in lilo: append="pci=routeirq acpi=on" |
| 06:46.09 | Gnea | floundering: never used cron-apt before... |
| 06:46.17 | rpc | about to test speeds now... |
| 06:46.33 | AussieHatter | rpc: ok, cool |
| 06:46.38 | Gnea | rpc: yeah, with those settings, i've had uptimes of over a month |
| 06:46.45 | n3kl | can xen run windows? |
| 06:46.53 | rpc | Gnea he he |
| 06:46.55 | n3kl | can xen run a gui? |
| 06:46.58 | j0e_ | damn |
| 06:47.00 | rpc | n3kl yes but i'm using vbox for that |
| 06:47.02 | j0e_ | this sucks |
| 06:47.04 | j0e_ | x wont work |
| 06:47.09 | n3kl | rpc: vbox? |
| 06:47.10 | rpc | vbox is really fast |
| 06:47.18 | Gnea | n3kl: xen can run a gui with X, but it can't run windows... it possibly could with vmware running within it |
| 06:47.18 | rpc | faster than any other virt. software |
| 06:47.25 | rpc | n3kl virtualbox.org |
| 06:47.28 | Gnea | n3kl: or qemu |
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| 06:47.35 | AussieHatter | or vmware |
| 06:47.36 | Dewi | Gnea: ... |
| 06:47.43 | Dewi | Gnea: why not just run vmware then |
| 06:47.56 | rpc | Dewi because vmware doesn't do multithreading |
| 06:48.01 | Dewi | rpc: ? |
| 06:48.07 | n3kl | Gnea: how does X work? nicely? |
| 06:48.14 | Dewi | rpc: of course it does |
| 06:48.16 | rpc | Gnea it's really nice, i do recommend it |
| 06:48.16 | itchi | j0e_: Pastebin your error log |
| 06:48.36 | Gnea | n3kl: i've only used the xen test cd, haven't actually set it up - yeah, it does if you have the resources |
| 06:48.42 | rpc | Dewi that's what vbox developers say... vbox is the only one to do multithreading |
| 06:48.51 | Dewi | rpc: what exactly do you mean by that? |
| 06:49.01 | n3kl | seems like xen is quickly becomming the standard |
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| 06:49.10 | n3kl | how many xen servers can you run? |
| 06:49.13 | Dewi | rpc: there are dozens of VMs that run multithreaded operating systems |
| 06:49.19 | Dewi | n3kl: I wouldn't go that far |
| 06:49.22 | rpc | Dewi it's a method of executing code and it also has to do with on-the-fly recompiling and patching |
| 06:49.23 | Gnea | i need to get system messages to stop spamming console.... any idea how to do that? |
| 06:49.23 | AussieHatter | n3kl: vmplayer works good |
| 06:49.24 | itchi | There's qemu-launcher a little gui for qemu |
| 06:49.27 | Dewi | n3kl: as soon as vbox went open source people flocked to it |
| 06:49.30 | Dewi | n3kl: away from xen |
| 06:49.36 | rpc | Dewi nono i meant something else |
| 06:49.58 | rpc | Dewi vmware will do just one thread at a time |
| 06:50.00 | j0e_ | itchi, ive installed module asstant and did |
| 06:50.05 | n3kl | rpc: you prefer vbox over xen? |
| 06:50.07 | j0e_ | m-a a-i nvidia |
| 06:50.12 | Gnea | shit, i gotta hit up walmart and get some canned air |
| 06:50.16 | j0e_ | it fails to compile kernel |
| 06:50.21 | rpc | n3kl vbox because you can control a remote guest over RDP |
| 06:50.24 | j0e_ | i added contirb still fails |
| 06:50.26 | rpc | which is pretty cool |
| 06:50.28 | haggz | gnea: you can set klog daemon log output level pretty easily, is that what you need? keep firewalled packets out of your ttys? |
| 06:50.40 | itchi | Here's some screenshots about qemu-launcher http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/qemu-launcher1.jpg up to qemu-launcher5.jpg |
| 06:50.46 | rpc | n3kl also vbox is very easy to run on debian - takes 3 mins to setup |
| 06:51.00 | Dewi | rpc: I was going to use vbox but it doesn't support non-virtual HDs |
| 06:51.05 | Dewi | rpc: so I'm sticking with vmware for now |
| 06:51.10 | rpc | qemu is second best imho but its networking is a bit slow |
| 06:51.21 | rpc | Dewi it will support them soon :) |
| 06:51.23 | j0e_ | itchi, i think i fixed it |
| 06:51.29 | haggz | gnea: check man klogd and see if first option is what you want |
| 06:51.41 | Dewi | rpc: they are not coding it but they say "send us a patch and we'll include it" :P |
| 06:51.48 | Dewi | rpc: so probably it will |
| 06:51.51 | rpc | Dewi but you are right... i don't like that either, even though you can convert anything to raw and then import to vbox's VDI format |
| 06:51.54 | hark | Gnea: /etc/sysctl.conf for that |
| 06:51.56 | AussieHatter | don't know a good reason not use vmware... vmplayer works great |
| 06:51.56 | n3kl | rpc: I need to get into virtualization more. I have used vmware extensively, but I need something lighter to run several servers on a layer my network a little more, security is becomming an issue. I just got xen running, but if you are telling me that vbox is better... |
| 06:52.10 | Dewi | rpc: er... well I am using a 750GB disk |
| 06:52.13 | Dewi | rpc: convert that to raw! |
| 06:52.15 | rpc | AussieHatter try to run XP on vbox.. you will be surprised :) |
| 06:52.16 | AussieHatter | lighter ? |
| 06:52.17 | n3kl | rpc: have you got a link for a howto or something? |
| 06:52.30 | AussieHatter | rpc: i think we had this convo last week ? |
| 06:52.35 | rpc | n3kl you might want a manual - it's very well written |
| 06:52.46 | AussieHatter | something about the licensing, |
| 06:52.57 | n3kl | rpc: but its worth it? |
| 06:52.58 | hark | rpc: you installed virtualbox with the binary from the site right? |
| 06:53.06 | rpc | AussieHatter did we? :) i really can't remember but yes, i sometimes chat about license of vbox, it's free for non-commercial use |
| 06:53.09 | n3kl | rpc: in you opinion |
| 06:53.14 | rpc | hark yes |
| 06:53.25 | rpc | hark also apt-get in etch will do |
| 06:53.43 | AussieHatter | rpc: right, that was it, free for non-commercial |
| 06:54.02 | rpc | n3kl i can't say a bad word about vbox - it works very well and it was really easy to setup, much easier than whatever else that i tried |
| 06:54.03 | hark | rpc: yes, about that.. it's still not in Debian |
| 06:54.14 | rpc | hark it's in Etch |
| 06:54.14 | Dewi | AussieHatter: nearly all of vbos is GPL'd isn't it? |
| 06:54.26 | AussieHatter | dewi: check out the website |
| 06:54.28 | Dewi | AussieHatter: so the slightly scaled down version should be useable for anything |
| 06:54.31 | hark | rpc: what's the package name? |
| 06:54.32 | AussieHatter | we did this |
| 06:54.38 | n3kl | rpc: I don't understand, what is the advantage of being able to rdp into a vm |
| 06:54.41 | rpc | hark virtualbox |
| 06:54.51 | hark | !find virtualbox etch |
| 06:54.54 | AussieHatter | can't remember the details, but it was not legally free or something in production |
| 06:54.58 | Dewi | AussieHatter: use the Open Source Edition then |
| 06:55.04 | rpc | n3kl it's not about rdping into the vm... it works in a different way |
| 06:55.06 | Dewi | AussieHatter: they can't control your usage if it's under GPL2 |
| 06:55.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'virtualbox' returned no results. |
| 06:55.29 | Dewi | AussieHatter: the differences: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions |
| 06:55.40 | rpc | hark try apt-cache |
| 06:55.40 | AussieHatter | dewi: as i say, i cant remember, will have to read it again, but it was a bit of a discussion a few weeks ago |
| 06:55.41 | n3kl | rpc: doesn't apear to be in apt, unless I am searching something incorrect |
| 06:55.50 | rpc | 1sec |
| 06:56.00 | AussieHatter | lol, the stupid m$ vista ad on tv |
| 06:56.01 | hark | rpc: dpkg -l virtualbox |tail -1 |
| 06:56.02 | eshaase | if testing/unstable packages built to work for a stable release is called a backport what is a stable package for a testing/unstable release called? |
| 06:56.08 | AussieHatter | I am sitting here with etch going 'wow' |
| 06:56.15 | rpc | # apt-cache search virtualbox |
| 06:56.15 | rpc | virtualbox - InnoTek VirtualBox |
| 06:56.16 | AussieHatter | f-u m$ |
| 06:56.20 | Dewi | AussieHatter: the only things you can't do commercially are RDP, USB, shared folders, iSCSI |
| 06:56.38 | rpc | Dewi exactly true |
| 06:56.40 | Dewi | AussieHatter: and the version in etch will be missing those features already |
| 06:56.46 | rpc | ok... let me test the damn disk finally :) brb |
| 06:56.54 | n3kl | rpc: stable? |
| 06:56.54 | AussieHatter | rdp ? |
| 06:56.59 | Dewi | AussieHatter: remote desktop |
| 06:57.03 | AussieHatter | you can't rdp into a virtual machine ? |
| 06:57.04 | n3kl | remote desktop protocol |
| 06:57.08 | n3kl | whay he said |
| 06:57.12 | AussieHatter | ya. i know what rdp is |
| 06:57.25 | Dewi | AussieHatter: yeah, so just install RDP or NX or VNC *in* the machine |
| 06:57.32 | Dewi | it's really no big deal |
| 06:57.36 | AussieHatter | ok |
| 06:57.40 | rpc | n3kl Etch is pre |
| 06:58.05 | rpc | Dewi and no, it's not the same with rdp in vbox :) |
| 06:58.18 | hark | rpc: apt-cache policy virtualbox. can you pastebin that? |
| 06:58.34 | Dewi | rpc: the closer you get to the guest OS the faster it will be |
| 06:58.57 | Dewi | rpc: why pass it through so many extra layers of emulation? |
| 06:59.00 | rpc | hark why do you want me to do that? |
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| 06:59.29 | AussieHatter | hmmm, ide-scsi module, : ide_scsi not found |
| 06:59.31 | hark | rpc: that will confirm what version you have.. |
| 06:59.49 | Dewi | anyway see you folks later |
| 06:59.53 | rpc | hark i see no reason to confirm anything, just have a look at their page and you will there is deb for Etch also |
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| 07:00.07 | rpc | Dewi thank you for alll the help and time |
| 07:00.13 | Dewi | np |
| 07:00.22 | eshaase | i know that in general you're supposed to be cautious when using testing/unstable packages in a stable environment but do you also have to be careful when using stable packages in a testing/unstable environment or is this generally considered safe? |
| 07:00.35 | hark | rpc: then it's not in etch.. That was what i said |
| 07:00.39 | n3kl | rpc: pre? |
| 07:00.50 | Dewi | eshaase: probably not quite... because the environment around the packages still changes |
| 07:00.58 | AussieHatter | should ide-scsi be in etch ? |
| 07:01.01 | rpc | hark do you run Etch? if so, just apt-cache search it, if it's on my box there is no reason not to be on yours |
| 07:01.14 | rpc | and i have no reason to lie, just think... |
| 07:01.40 | Dewi | eshaase: if the binary interfaces between the software and its linked libraries changes, then all bets are off |
| 07:01.53 | hark | rpc: the reason it's in your box is because you installed it from the site itself. AFAIK., debian still does not have it |
| 07:01.55 | n3kl | rpc: I was just asking if you were running stable or etch? |
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| 07:02.04 | rpc | hark why do you keep pushing? |
| 07:02.08 | timthelion | anyone know of a good matrix manipulation program? |
| 07:02.09 | rpc | i just paste output from my apt-get |
| 07:02.10 | n3kl | rpc: I wan't sugesting anything |
| 07:02.14 | rpc | pasted* |
| 07:02.36 | rpc | # apt-cache search virtualbox |
| 07:02.36 | rpc | virtualbox - InnoTek VirtualBox |
| 07:02.50 | rpc | and i just did it again, install Etch and you will see it too, anyone can confirm |
| 07:02.59 | AussieHatter | rpc - its not on my etch |
| 07:03.12 | hark | rpc: I'm sorry but you're wrong |
| 07:03.12 | rpc | AussieHatter what sources you use? |
| 07:03.18 | rpc | no, i'm not |
| 07:03.27 | AussieHatter | rpc: its not on two of my etch boxes |
| 07:03.30 | rpc | can you explain why do i see it with apt-cache then? |
| 07:03.39 | rpc | i use .no sources |
| 07:03.45 | AussieHatter | backports ? |
| 07:03.53 | hark | because you installed the binary from the virtualbox site! |
| 07:03.55 | rpc | never used backports for that |
| 07:04.09 | AussieHatter | is backports in your sources.list though ? |
| 07:04.15 | rpc | hark and that made it appear in apt-cache search? :) |
| 07:04.32 | rpc | AussieHatter nope, i only use .no repository in there |
| 07:04.55 | AussieHatter | rpc: its not in my two etch boxes. |
| 07:05.02 | rpc | i remember that i was even using apt-get remove before to reinstall vbox |
| 07:05.11 | rpc | so i do know what i'm saying, not sure why you can't see it |
| 07:05.29 | Dewi | rpc: you must have a non-standard source in your sources.list |
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| 07:05.35 | Dewi | rpc: I don't see it either (in etch) |
| 07:05.41 | rpc | it's a legit .no (EU) rep |
| 07:05.51 | rpc | just go to #vbox and ask developers, not me :) |
| 07:05.51 | AussieHatter | rpc: .no ? |
| 07:05.52 | Dewi | !why is virtualbox not in testing |
| 07:05.52 | dpkg | virtualbox is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=virtualbox |
| 07:05.57 | rpc | AussieHatter yes |
| 07:06.00 | man_in_ltop | is there a way to get debian to store the system clock in local time? |
| 07:06.11 | eshaase | Dewi: so i use backports for testing/unstable packages in a stable environment but what do i use for stable packages on a testing/unstable system? |
| 07:06.26 | Guerin | solid_liquid: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 07:06.29 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:06.30 | rpc | AussieHatter oh sorry, not anymore: |
| 07:06.31 | rpc | deb http://debian.uni-essen.de/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 07:06.31 | rpc | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:06.35 | rpc | that's what i use |
| 07:06.37 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 07:06.39 | Dewi | eshaase: what would be the point of having one stable package in an unstable system? |
| 07:06.49 | Guerin | answer: none |
| 07:06.51 | Dewi | eshaase: you can't build stability on an unstable foundation |
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| 07:06.56 | hark | rpc: just the policy will be enough :) |
| 07:07.07 | rpc | hark the policy will show 1.3.4 now |
| 07:07.17 | man_in_ltop | Guerin, i need to store the *system clock* in *local time* |
| 07:07.21 | Dewi | rpc: |
| 07:07.21 | Dewi | rpc: 17:05:06 < rpc> so i do know what i'm saying, not sure why you can't see it |
| 07:07.22 | man_in_ltop | Guerin, date -s won't help me |
| 07:07.23 | rpc | but i can reinstall from apt-get just for you so you stop this crazyness |
| 07:07.25 | Dewi | argh, sorry |
| 07:07.27 | Dewi | rpc: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=virtualbox&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 07:07.34 | Dewi | rpc: search results - none |
| 07:07.35 | rpc | was going to go back to 1.3.2 anyway |
| 07:07.56 | rpc | i DONT KNOW why but i type apt-cache search with my sources set as i pasted them and i get 1.3.2 there |
| 07:07.58 | man_in_ltop | and i can't use ntp because this being a laptop won't always have an internet connection available |
| 07:08.02 | Dewi | Quote: "You have searched for packages that names contain virtualbox in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Can't find that package." |
| 07:08.04 | rpc | so DONT ask me why it isn't on your side |
| 07:08.15 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: then you need to clarify what you mean, because setting the clock to an arbitrary time is perfectly possible. |
| 07:08.16 | Dewi | rpc: ^^ see quote, from official debian pkg list |
| 07:08.20 | eshaase | Dewi: well i have a testing environment, and i want to install a package that isn't available in the testing release (only stable and unstable) |
| 07:08.30 | Dewi | eshaase: why has it been removed? |
| 07:08.37 | man_in_ltop | Guerin, i need to set the hardware clock to local time |
| 07:08.41 | hark | anyway, Debian won't have the non GPL version anyway. |
| 07:08.47 | rpc | Dewi ok... i will do reinstall from apt-get and paste everything to pastebin, fare enough? |
| 07:08.49 | eshaase | Dewi: i don't know, i'm just looking at packages.debian.org... lookup 'drupal' |
| 07:08.57 | man_in_ltop | linux likes keeping in in utc, which i'd be happy about if i didn't have to use windows on this thing too |
| 07:09.05 | Dewi | rpc: apt-get is not the point here; the point is you have some kind of non-standard source |
| 07:09.15 | rpc | Dewi i already pasted my source |
| 07:09.16 | Dewi | rpc: apt-get is quite capable of fetching from non-debian sources |
| 07:09.17 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: man hwclock |
| 07:09.25 | hark | rpc: just pastebin apt-cache policy virtualbox. That'll be enough :) |
| 07:09.37 | rpc | hark i answered that already |
| 07:09.51 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: solution: keep your bios clock in local tim, either by setting it in the bios, or with hwclock |
| 07:10.00 | man_in_ltop | Guerin, there's a file /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh which runs on boot and shutdown |
| 07:10.03 | rpc | hark i had apt-get to install 1.3.2 and then i swapped to 1.3.4 from the website, so what would the policy prove in your opinion? |
| 07:10.04 | Dewi | rpc: with the policy? |
| 07:10.09 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: so? |
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| 07:10.18 | Dewi | rpc: the policy shows all available versions and where they are from |
| 07:10.21 | Dewi | rpc: so it's very relevant |
| 07:10.25 | rpc | hark but i'm going back to 1.3.2 soon and i will do it from apt.. then i can paste you the damn policy |
| 07:10.38 | man_in_ltop | Guerin, is there a flag somewhere i can set to get the script to store in localtime? |
| 07:10.52 | Guerin | man_in_ltop: check the script and see |
| 07:10.53 | Dewi | rpc: what you have installed does not affect the contents of the policy listing; only the flags |
| 07:11.01 | man_in_ltop | i can't work the script out |
| 07:11.10 | man_in_ltop | cos there appears to be stuff there that doesn't do anything |
| 07:11.13 | hark | man_in_ltop: maybe /etc/default/rcS |
| 07:11.14 | Dewi | rpc: are you sure you weren't using ubuntu or something? |
| 07:11.14 | rpc | give me a sec... i will show you something |
| 07:11.19 | rpc | Dewi no |
| 07:11.27 | Guerin | if it doesn't do anything, then it's not the source of your proibelm |
| 07:11.27 | eshaase | Dewi: so what do you think? |
| 07:11.55 | hark | man_in_ltop: the UTC option |
| 07:12.41 | hark | man.. just to give a policy output.. |
| 07:12.57 | man_in_ltop | hark, i can't tell where it's getting the value of $GMT from |
| 07:13.01 | rpc | i'm swapping to 1.3.2 from apt-get as we speak and i will paste it into bin |
| 07:13.07 | Dewi | eshaase: give me a moment |
| 07:13.10 | man_in_ltop | it seems to me that it will always be unset |
| 07:13.12 | rpc | just give me a sec |
| 07:13.27 | man_in_ltop | which means it will be storing the time with --localtime |
| 07:13.30 | man_in_ltop | but it's not |
| 07:13.33 | man_in_ltop | it's very confusing |
| 07:13.49 | eshaase | Dewi: ok, thanks |
| 07:13.50 | Dewi | eshaase: personally I don't install packaged web apps anyway |
| 07:14.08 | Dewi | eshaase: because you are limited to laying out your web site a particular way, and can only run one instance |
| 07:14.15 | eshaase | Dewi: well for future reference, i just started using debian and i'm still learning |
| 07:14.17 | hark | man_in_ltop: man rcS /UTC .. if that's what you're asking |
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| 07:14.59 | man_in_ltop | ok, so where does it get set then? |
| 07:16.01 | hark | man_in_ltop: /etc/default/rcS .. no for localtime AFAIK |
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| 07:16.25 | man_in_ltop | bbs |
| 07:16.41 | Dewi | eshaase: since drupal isn't compiled you won't get binary incompatibility problems... install whichever you want, but 2 years is a long time so you probably want the newer one |
| 07:16.46 | Dewi | eshaase: it is in unstable btw |
| 07:17.15 | eshaase | Dewi: gotcha |
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| 07:17.23 | eshaase | Dewi: but for future reference, what would be recommended? |
| 07:17.41 | Dewi | eshaase: just make sure your PHP and database meet the requirements listed on the drupal site. Personally I would just download it from there; it's just a PHP thing, it doesn't tie in closely to your system |
| 07:17.45 | eshaase | Dewi: or maybe there is no testing because of this reason? (it being not compiled) |
| 07:18.06 | hark | ah, Daniel Baumann has a wnpp for virtualbox |
| 07:18.08 | eshaase | Dewi: well its kinda nice having apt pull in the required files and versions |
| 07:18.10 | Dewi | eshaase: it will normally have been dropped due to inactivity or a problem |
| 07:18.35 | AussieHatter | can someone tell me if ide-scsi should be available in etch ? |
| 07:18.42 | AussieHatter | (pls) |
| 07:19.04 | Dewi | eshaase: sure, but if you want to run several drupal sites, or use vhosts on your server at all, you will find the apt-installed web apps will be totally inflexible |
| 07:19.45 | Dewi | eshaase: 99% of the work of integrating into your system will have been done by PHP |
| 07:19.46 | eshaase | Dewi: i understand that =) i'm just trying it out to see if i like it |
| 07:19.52 | eshaase | Dewi: plus i don't intend to run multiple instances of it |
| 07:19.53 | Dewi | eshaase: making sure PHP is okay and the rest is very simple |
| 07:20.13 | eshaase | Dewi: yeah, i believe its all configured using the web interface |
| 07:20.20 | Dewi | eshaase: ie, if PHP can do something then drupal can |
| 07:20.52 | eshaase | Dewi: well you have to make sure sql is instlaled, etc. |
| 07:20.57 | eshaase | Dewi: anywys, thanks a bunch! |
| 07:21.10 | eshaase | whoa, i got a seg fault from apt-spy |
| 07:21.13 | Dewi | eshaase: so if drupal needs php 5 with mysql database backend (hypothetically) make sure you have packages php5 and php5-mysql... and that's where all the work is really done |
| 07:21.39 | Dewi | eshaase: oh, and 'mysql-server' of course |
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| 07:21.40 | eshaase | Dewi: gotcha |
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| 07:22.16 | Krazy-J | whats the chances of doing damage to either you/ or your server if you hotplug a ide drive? |
| 07:22.20 | hark | eshaase: yes, apt-spy is quite buggy. That's normal behavior ;) |
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| 07:22.31 | man_in_ltop | thanks guys |
| 07:22.33 | Dewi | Krazy-J: well, it won't work |
| 07:22.45 | Dewi | Krazy-J: so don't risk your drives, data, or computer system |
| 07:22.47 | man_in_ltop | UTC in /etc/default/rcS fixed it |
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| 07:22.50 | eshaase | i keep getting seg faults with apt-spy, any idea how to get around this? |
| 07:22.53 | Krazy-J | what about sata? |
| 07:22.58 | Dewi | Krazy-J: unless you have server hardware |
| 07:23.03 | eshaase | i'm using etch |
| 07:23.07 | Dewi | Krazy-J: oh, well, SATA hotplug support is still quite new |
| 07:23.13 | Dewi | Krazy-J: I wouldn't trust it to work properly yet |
| 07:23.16 | hark | eshaase: use netselect-apt or /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 07:23.23 | Krazy-J | hmm |
| 07:23.27 | Krazy-J | dont wanna get rid of the uptime :P |
| 07:23.33 | hark | !maint apt-spy |
| 07:23.35 | dpkg | apt-spy: Debian QA Group <packages@qa.debian.org> |
| 07:23.42 | Dewi | Krazy-J: ... |
| 07:23.59 | Krazy-J | well yet again, I need to install a UPS soon anyway |
| 07:24.00 | Dewi | we really need a factoid about the sin of uptime masturbation |
| 07:24.03 | Krazy-J | and a new NIC |
| 07:24.11 | eshaase | hark: well i wanted to have apt-spy find a fast srever for me |
| 07:24.21 | Dewi | dpkg: uptime |
| 07:24.27 | Dewi | !uptime |
| 07:24.33 | Dewi | sigh. |
| 07:25.28 | Krazy-J | lol |
| 07:25.29 | Krazy-J | hm |
| 07:26.35 | Krazy-J | just wondering, i've got a couple spare HDD's sitting around here... 2x320gb IDE & 80gb SATA2 |
| 07:26.44 | Krazy-J | still working out what i can do with them |
| 07:26.44 | hark | eshaase: yeah, it's not maintained anymore. Check the BTS for all those segfault issues. Try netselect or netselect-apt instead.. |
| 07:27.16 | eshaase | hark: ok, thanks |
| 07:29.26 | eshaase | does apt-get install always ask you before installing by default? |
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| 07:30.10 | hark | the installer would.. if you don't skip it |
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| 07:33.59 | hark | anyway, work calls.... |
| 07:34.04 | Krazy-J | not sure waht to do with them hm |
| 07:34.06 | hark | !lose rpc |
| 07:34.07 | dpkg | rpc: You Lose. |
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| 07:38.51 | pyrohotdog | Everytime I try and use apt-get, it tells me that libpcre3 and libsdl1 have unmet dependencies. |
| 07:39.40 | pyrohotdog | and apt-get -f install wants to remove 240 packages that I don't want removed... |
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| 07:44.44 | perlmonkey | does anyone know the package name for Opera |
| 07:45.30 | freeone3000 | opera |
| 07:45.44 | freeone3000 | It's not available through apt - get it from their website. |
| 07:46.28 | deadcat | is there a way to mount those goddamn .uif files? |
| 07:46.58 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 07:47.05 | perlmonkey | why isn't it available |
| 07:47.43 | pyrohotdog | How can I fix my apt-get? |
| 07:48.07 | perlmonkey | whats wrong with it |
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| 07:48.21 | pyrohotdog | Everytime I try and use apt-get, it tells me that libpcre3 and libsdl1 have unmet dependencies. |
| 07:48.28 | pyrohotdog | and apt-get -f install wants to remove 240 packages that I don't want removed... |
| 07:48.37 | perlmonkey | ohhh dear! |
| 07:48.54 | pyrohotdog | Bad? |
| 07:48.55 | deadcat | so ignore it and dont install that package. |
| 07:49.08 | pyrohotdog | I can't install anything... |
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| 07:49.29 | deadcat | apt-get update |
| 07:49.35 | perlmonkey | yes |
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| 07:53.57 | floundering | pyrohotdog: you may have to use dpkg to install and remove things for a while... |
| 07:54.32 | pyrohotdog | Damn... |
| 07:55.18 | floundering | pyrohotdog: I too have apt problems, aptitude and apt-get have started segfaulting on me |
| 07:56.04 | hark | floundering: remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run an apt-get update |
| 07:56.20 | hark | pyrohotdog: either update or fix your sources.list |
| 07:56.24 | pinx | floundering: aptitude -f |
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| 07:57.01 | pinx | floundering: it forces a fix on broken dependencies |
| 07:57.56 | floundering | pinx: to which aptitude replies OUCH! got a SIGSEGV, dying... |
| 07:57.59 | pyrohotdog | Ran apt-get update, didn't work. Same problem. |
| 07:58.24 | hark | pyrohotdog: pastebin your sources.list and the policy outputs |
| 07:58.32 | pyrohotdog | aptitude -f |
| 07:58.33 | epsilon | where is the current libc6 update for sarge coming from? I can't see any DSA... |
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| 07:58.37 | pyrohotdog | oops |
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| 07:58.48 | freeone3000 | Mm. |
| 07:59.05 | freeone3000 | Nothing like updating your system to a KDE, glibc, and WINE point-upgrade. |
| 07:59.14 | floundering | !beer hark |
| 08:00.05 | solid_liquid | mmmm, Spaten Optimator |
| 08:00.08 | hark | heh |
| 08:00.36 | Gnea | oh hell yeah. |
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| 08:00.45 | floundering | hark: thanks, :) you fixed it |
| 08:00.58 | Gnea | not only did i find the canned air, but they have the new robotech movie: the shadow chronicles on dvd |
| 08:01.43 | pyrohotdog | My sources.list is default. |
| 08:02.05 | hark | do an aptitude upgrade |
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| 08:04.43 | eshaase | is pinning testing in /etc/apt/preferences to 990 almost the same as setting APT:Default-Release "testing"; or is one of these doing more or less than the other? |
| 08:05.09 | dewbie | Hello all. |
| 08:05.27 | pyrohotdog | I did....same thing. |
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| 08:06.06 | eshaase | is APT::Default-release only pinning a release to 990 and doing nothing else? |
| 08:06.16 | eshaase | or is there more to it |
| 08:06.48 | hark | pyrohotdog: dist-upgrade even .. or remove those 2 packages. otherwise pastebin! |
| 08:10.49 | pyrohotdog | Same error... just says libpcre3 and libsdl1.2debian have unment dependencies. |
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| 08:11.58 | eshaase | whats the version number of etch? |
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| 08:12.24 | hark | 4.0 |
| 08:13.39 | eshaase | can i have the following in /etc/apt/preferences: Package: *\n Pin: release v=4.0\n Pin-Priority: 900? |
| 08:13.51 | eshaase | emphasis on the 4.0 |
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| 08:14.09 | Steven_M | hi all, |
| 08:14.18 | Tigger__ | hi |
| 08:14.32 | Steven_M | do any of you use minicom |
| 08:14.35 | Steven_M | ? |
| 08:14.45 | Tigger__ | not i |
| 08:14.47 | hark | yes, iirc |
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| 08:15.04 | Supaplex | !tell Steven_M -about ask |
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| 08:15.56 | dewbie | Anyone got a good link to a Debian ISO Image so I can intall it on this Dell? |
| 08:16.10 | Supaplex | !install debian |
| 08:16.11 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 08:16.46 | dewbie | !install debian |
| 08:16.47 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 08:18.09 | dewbie | netinst Is what I want? |
| 08:18.42 | Steven_M | can minicom be used for telnet connections? |
| 08:19.12 | Supaplex | dewbie: netinst is usually the best. |
| 08:19.22 | dewbie | Thanks. |
| 08:19.44 | Supaplex | Steven_M: for tcp/ip? no, use telnet for that. minicom is for serial consoles/modems/etc |
| 08:20.11 | Tigger__ | have a look here dewbie http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 08:20.24 | Steven_M | ok |
| 08:20.51 | Supaplex | better yet, use ssh if you can. |
| 08:20.51 | dewbie | supaplex; debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso is what I need to burn and I should have a Debian Install disk |
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| 08:21.12 | hark | dewbie: if it's for desktop use, you might want to try out testing instead.. |
| 08:21.26 | dewbie | Testing what |
| 08:21.36 | Supaplex | !tell dewbie -about testing |
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| 08:21.51 | Tigger__ | dewbie try http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:22.10 | Tigger__ | 112mb i believe |
| 08:22.54 | dewbie | Thanks you |
| 08:23.10 | dewbie | That will burn to CD correct? |
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| 08:23.23 | zynergi | anyone using dual wan on dd-wrt? |
| 08:23.33 | Tigger__ | yes of course with nero or whatever you use |
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| 08:24.13 | dewbie | Ok, Thanks. |
| 08:24.24 | Tigger__ | np :) |
| 08:24.36 | hark | zynergi: #dd-wrt probably.. |
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| 08:26.07 | dewbie | Having windows installed on the hardrive then trying to partition with Debian would screw up Windows right? |
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| 08:26.48 | zynergi | whoa |
| 08:26.52 | hark | the sarge installer dosen't support resizing NTFS partitions, i believe |
| 08:26.55 | zynergi | thanks hark, i didnt even know the channel existed |
| 08:27.00 | Tigger__ | no you can sesize youe windows partition and have dual boot dewbie |
| 08:27.12 | hark | that's their official channel ;) |
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| 08:27.31 | Steven_M | have any of you telneted to ansi bbs's with linux before? |
| 08:27.55 | dewbie | How would I go by performing such an action :) ? |
| 08:28.07 | fantomas | Hi. I experience a *strange* performance problem with my new hdd: ST 250Gb 16Mb buf, ATA |
| 08:28.08 | Supaplex | dewbie: there's also http://www.goodbye-windows.com - which may or may not allow linux to coexist with windows. (untested). but alteast you don't have to burn a cd for it. |
| 08:29.10 | sepski | dewbie, the debian installer supports resizing the windows partition to make room for linux, but it's not very reliable for NTFS |
| 08:29.13 | dewbie | WOW, that looks great thanks! |
| 08:29.24 | fantomas | Somehow the write speed to HDD is slow - about 12-17Mb/s (depending of used PC). What could be the reason? |
| 08:29.33 | Tigger__ | when you go through the debian install do a manual resize of ur windows partion, it's all semi-graphical and then auto partition the free spaece for debian |
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| 08:30.06 | sepski | dewbie, but if you have space for linux allready on your harddrive, installing debian should be no problem, and it wont ruin windows unless you say "use the whole harddrive" or some such thing |
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| 08:30.26 | freeone3000 | fantomas: It's a slow hard drive. |
| 08:30.30 | scead | hi, what was that super cool command that routes to nowhere? i think someone called it a "black hole" or something? |
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| 08:30.39 | freeone3000 | loopback? |
| 08:30.44 | scead | that might've been it |
| 08:30.54 | Supaplex | scead: null route? use iptables if you want firewalling. |
| 08:30.56 | fantomas | freeone3000: yes, thats why I'm worrying about it. Its new ST 250Gb hdd. |
| 08:30.58 | dewbie | alrright |
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| 08:31.24 | dewbie | brb |
| 08:31.25 | scead | i don't want firewalling, i want a routing table thing |
| 08:31.27 | ma3x | I get this error when I try to write an .iso image to a DVD: unable to WRITE@LBA=8d0h: input/output error |
| 08:32.14 | fantomas | freeone3000: I checked it on Windows using its system copy routine and it shows much better results. I'm confiused.. Looks like there a bug in 2.6.18 kernel which is unbelieveble, but I have no other ideas |
| 08:32.35 | scead | i think it was guerin that told me |
| 08:32.42 | scead | it was like a month ago |
| 08:32.47 | scead | aragh, i can't remember |
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| 08:33.00 | sepski | scead, soemthing like route add -net 192.168.1.2 -netmask 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1 -blackhole |
| 08:33.02 | sepski | ? |
| 08:33.11 | scead | yes! |
| 08:33.16 | scead | thats the one |
| 08:33.24 | scead | thankyou thankyou thankyou |
| 08:33.36 | Supaplex | anytime ;) |
| 08:33.49 | Supaplex | that'll be $90 USD |
| 08:33.56 | Tigger__ | lol |
| 08:33.57 | sepski | perhaps -host and not bother with netmask |
| 08:34.03 | sepski | unless it's actualy a net |
| 08:34.08 | fantomas | Anybody knows are there any paramteres which could be tweaked to speedup hdd? How to know the reason of hdd performance problems? |
| 08:34.21 | Supaplex | fantomas: hdparm |
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| 08:34.55 | fantomas | Supaplex: yeah, I know, I tried it. No help.. :( |
| 08:35.13 | Tigger__ | who wants to have a laugh about my computer? |
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| 08:35.34 | dewbie | ok i installed that thing and nothing new has happened |
| 08:35.38 | Tigger__ | my CPU has blown up so,.............. |
| 08:35.39 | Supaplex | fantomas: well, that all varies based on system. |
| 08:35.49 | Supaplex | dewbie: that thing? the one you need to reboot with? |
| 08:36.00 | dewbie | yes |
| 08:36.02 | Tigger__ | so i'm now running on a amd 450 with 94mb of ram lol |
| 08:36.07 | Supaplex | it helps to read the site |
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| 08:36.28 | dewbie | can you send the site again |
| 08:36.35 | Supaplex | www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 08:36.42 | Tigger__ | lol |
| 08:36.57 | perlmonkey | unmet dependencies: opera depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.2.1); :-/ |
| 08:36.58 | fantomas | Supaplex: I tried 3 different systems (3 PCs) witch same result :( |
| 08:36.58 | crazy_penguin | Hello |
| 08:37.05 | Redhatter | Heh, how long has that site been running? |
| 08:37.20 | Supaplex | Redhatter: run a whois on it. =) |
| 08:37.22 | Tigger__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 08:38.29 | Redhatter | Supaplex, Hrmm, either my WHOIS server is fubar, or that domain isn't registered (obviously it is) |
| 08:38.54 | Supaplex | Redhatter: only a few weeks. |
| 08:39.03 | Redhatter | Hah, nice :-) |
| 08:39.34 | freeone3000 | perlmonkey: Why? |
| 08:39.49 | perlmonkey | someone told me it's better for printing |
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| 08:40.15 | freeone3000 | perlmonkey: The guestures are less configurable, the adblocking doesn't exist, and you cannot have your toolbars covered in fake lepoard fur. |
| 08:40.21 | freeone3000 | Well, yeah. |
| 08:40.32 | hark | whois microsoft.com ;) |
| 08:40.35 | Supaplex | and it's not FOSS |
| 08:40.49 | Tigger__ | lol hark |
| 08:40.56 | perlmonkey | freeone3000: haha, fuk it then, i will stay with firefox ;-) |
| 08:41.00 | Redhatter | Supaplex, Of course, the real question is... does that app work on Vista? For all the Microsoft Lemmings who discover they're falling off a cliff and want to deploy the Debian parachute? |
| 08:41.07 | hark | Tigger__: try it |
| 08:41.15 | Supaplex | Redhatter: that's in development. |
| 08:41.25 | Tigger__ | ok |
| 08:41.30 | Supaplex | I should inject some more FAQs |
| 08:41.57 | hark | Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.SHOULD.GIVE.UP.BECAUSE.LINUXISGOD.COM |
| 08:42.25 | perlmonkey | MS said Vista will be the last major windows release? |
| 08:42.30 | ma3x | what's the AUDIO_TS directory used for on a DVD disc? |
| 08:42.41 | perlmonkey | is the end drawing near then for windows? |
| 08:42.55 | pinx | perlmonkey: did they say what was going to follow? |
| 08:43.16 | perlmonkey | no but they mentioned windows in digital set top boxes |
| 08:43.22 | perlmonkey | god help us |
| 08:43.22 | Redhatter | Server Name: MICROSOFT.COM.IS.GOD.BECOUSE.UNIXSUCKS.COM <-- Evidently... MCSE's don't know how to use dictionaries. |
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| 08:43.58 | Redhatter | Silly question, anyone use X on mipsel here? |
| 08:44.01 | MyBot368_8 | Hi, checkout www.EasyPocketMoney.com what a web site ! |
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| 08:44.24 | perlmonkey | sheesh |
| 08:44.31 | pinx | perlmonkey: I suppose things like beryl will force MS to do something radical - like a 3-D windows |
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| 08:45.49 | pinx | where is stew when you need him ;-) |
| 08:46.17 | karsten | Has anyone pinged ops? |
| 08:46.21 | Redhatter | If he's in the US... likely asleep |
| 08:46.40 | amee2k | i'm installing debian testing on vmware but the default driver has /very/ poor performance (takes several seconds at 100% CPU load to render screen update in the setup program). are there any boot options i can use to improve this? |
| 08:47.02 | karsten | !ops MyBot368_8 spammer =PircBot@host-195-250-73-227.customer.arminco.com |
| 08:47.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: MyBot368_8 spammer =PircBot@host-195-250-73-227.customer.arminco.com |
| 08:47.06 | Redhatter | amee2k, default *video* driver? |
| 08:47.17 | amee2k | yes, video driver |
| 08:47.29 | karsten | amee2k: Have you installed vmware's tools packages yet? |
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| 08:47.42 | amee2k | in the setup? how? |
| 08:47.53 | karsten | amee2k: That includes a tuned set of video drivers. |
| 08:47.58 | Redhatter | Might be better to run text-mode first. |
| 08:48.11 | cuepeatea | PIPEFUCT #gentoo -> #debian < Brandon > i am confuse zeroth404 |
| 08:48.13 | cuepeatea | PIPEFUCT #gentoo -> #debian < killcops > WHAT IS HAPPEN LOL |
| 08:48.15 | karsten | amee2k: It's one of the gui controls, all it does is mount a virtual disk with the installer on it. RPM IIRC. |
| 08:48.17 | cuepeatea | PIPEFUCT #gentoo -> #debian < killcops > WHAT IS HAPPEN LOL |
| 08:48.17 | amee2k | the setup is running in text mode |
| 08:48.21 | cuepeatea | PIPEFUCT #gentoo -> #debian < Shirakawasuna > !seen River_Rat |
| 08:48.23 | cuepeatea | PIPEFUCT #gentoo -> #debian < jeeves > River_Rat (n=me@gentoo/contributor/riverrat) was last seen joining #gentoo-doc 4 hours, 49 minutes ago. River_Rat is still on #gentoo-doc. |
| 08:48.31 | cuepeatea | PIPEFUCT #gentoo -> #debian < zeroth404 > pokes antarus to do something |
| 08:48.33 | amee2k | cuepeatea: o.O |
| 08:48.33 | karsten | !ops cuepeatea spam / troll |
| 08:48.33 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: cuepeatea spam / troll |
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| 08:48.45 | Redhatter | Oright... what smartarse is piping #gentoo in here?! |
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| 08:49.00 | stoned | I just had the most horrible nightmare ever |
| 08:49.01 | amee2k | how can i get vmware tools while still running from the netinst disk? |
| 08:49.03 | stoned | but I can't remember it |
| 08:49.12 | ma3x | what's the best way to rip a dvd? |
| 08:49.17 | stoned | I know it had debian in it somewhere |
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| 08:49.28 | karsten | amee2k: RTFM vmware installation instructions. |
| 08:49.31 | stoned | ma3x: best way? |
| 08:49.36 | Supaplex | amee2k: just let netinst finish, it's not that critical. or bug #vmware |
| 08:49.39 | ma3x | stoned: I mean tell me a few ideas |
| 08:49.41 | stoned | ma3x: lots of programs to do it with |
| 08:49.48 | stoned | acidrip I think |
| 08:49.53 | ma3x | what else? |
| 08:49.57 | stoned | mencoder |
| 08:50.05 | stoned | google man |
| 08:50.14 | stoned | no one here is going to have a list for you |
| 08:50.19 | amee2k | Supaplex: when i'm done with netinst i'll log on over ssh and don't need the video driver anymore |
| 08:50.45 | tarzeau | lintian says: 8: warning [p 1, 1.7i]: cannot adjust line (on a manpage) what could it be? |
| 08:50.56 | amee2k | but the low setup performance is quite disrupting |
| 08:50.56 | Redhatter | amee2k, Alternatively... I'll bet somewhere on the 'net... there'll be a minimalist VMWare image you can use which is preconfigured. |
| 08:51.09 | Supaplex | amee2k: then the tools are a trival issue. |
| 08:51.25 | karsten | amee2k: You *have* googled this, right? |
| 08:51.25 | stoned | its a non issue |
| 08:51.30 | stoned | its not even an issue |
| 08:51.40 | karsten | stoned: Is it non-even an issue? |
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| 08:51.53 | stoned | huh? |
| 08:51.55 | amee2k | yeah, but couldn't find anything. not even someone with the same problem |
| 08:51.59 | Supaplex | there might be a puny performance gain with the new network driver, but I'm not wasting my graymatter on the issue. |
| 08:52.05 | karsten | amee2k: http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/22369 |
| 08:52.29 | karsten | amee2k: Item 56 and following on that page. |
| 08:52.38 | karsten | amee2k: ... and 63ff. |
| 08:52.46 | rpc | does anyone know if there are settings that could influence my NIC seriously and lower xfers significantly? what should i check first? |
| 08:53.05 | karsten | rpc: Depends. What are you seeing? |
| 08:53.38 | karsten | amee2k: http://www.visoracle.com/download/debian/_d.html |
| 08:54.15 | karsten | amee2k: http://www.visoracle.com/download/debian/installvmwaretools.html |
| 08:54.42 | Steven_M | have any of you telneted to ansi bbs's with linux before? |
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| 08:54.59 | rpc | karsten i'm experiencing extremely low speeds when doing a local transfer |
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| 08:55.27 | rpc | karsten and the nic is just a realtek (gbit one), i believe that 4MB/s is pretty low still |
| 08:56.05 | rpc | karsten perhaps there are some settings to check, buffer, mode, anything? |
| 08:56.11 | Steven_M | I can't get the ansi graphics displayed right? |
| 08:56.54 | amee2k | Steven_M: are you using a terminal emulator or a VT? |
| 08:56.57 | rpc | # mii-tool |
| 08:56.57 | rpc | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
| 08:57.03 | Cope | I have two systems in geographically remote locations, for disaster recovery purposes. At present synchronisation is done manually by their owners. I want to use rsync to automate keeping them close-to-identical. Do I need to run rsync as root to ensure root-owned files are copied and preserved? That sounds a bit dodgy? Also, between two trusted hosts, would passwordless keys be a bad idea? Better to use keychain and ssh-agent? |
| 08:57.05 | rpc | that's all i know |
| 08:57.13 | ness | Hi, how can I find out why cimg-dev is still version 1.0.9, while upstream is already 1.1.9 or so? The bug reports page has a 87 days old bug that tells about a new version (1.0.7).. |
| 08:57.30 | amee2k | some emulators like xterm sometimes suck a ANSI escapes and just display them raw |
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| 08:57.57 | perlmonkey | can anyone recommend a browser than can actually print without crashing |
| 08:58.15 | perlmonkey | i cant believe IE is performing better than Mozilla/Firefox for printing my page |
| 08:58.45 | amee2k | perlmonkey: mozilla + lp ? |
| 08:58.54 | karsten | rpc: check settings with ethtool. |
| 08:58.58 | rpc | do i need flow-control enabled on the nic? |
| 08:59.04 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: we love patches! |
| 08:59.07 | rpc | checkinh that, karsten |
| 08:59.09 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 08:59.13 | pinx | Cope: I've been recommended to use passwordless public/private key pairs |
| 08:59.14 | karsten | rpc: If the rate is autonegotiated, confirm that your switch/hub is 100mbps rather than, say, 4. |
| 08:59.24 | karsten | rpc: You're not running thinnet, are you? ;-) |
| 08:59.32 | rpc | karsten i'm not :) |
| 08:59.36 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: get creative, look for an html <-> ps/pdf conversion |
| 08:59.44 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 09:00.11 | eshaase | am i allowed to pin packaged based on codenames (etch/sarge/sid) in /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 09:00.27 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:00.32 | karsten | perlmonkey: Mozilla / Firefox / Iceweasel generally work well for me. If not, Konqueror. |
| 09:00.32 | Supaplex | !pinning |
| 09:00.32 | rpc | karsten: Speed: 1000Mb/s |
| 09:00.32 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 09:00.35 | stoned | or learn more and make cross browser pages |
| 09:00.49 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: galeon is another option |
| 09:00.50 | karsten | rpc: How are you determining your network throughput? |
| 09:00.56 | rpc | karsten autoneg set to on, also flow-control to on... could those things screw me? |
| 09:00.57 | stoned | not all browsers conform to w3 standards |
| 09:01.06 | perlmonkey | Karsten: will you try and print preview my page then? |
| 09:01.06 | streuner_ | halleluja |
| 09:01.09 | Cope | pinx: right; seems sensible |
| 09:01.14 | stoned | but if you code in standards it does become easy |
| 09:01.17 | karsten | rpc: Looks like you should be getting better than 4 mbps from what I see. |
| 09:01.17 | rpc | karsten i'm sending data to a local gigabit backup server and i get 2-4MB/s |
| 09:01.17 | pinx | perlmonkey: use open office to convert from html to pdf |
| 09:01.19 | karsten | perlmonkey: URL? |
| 09:01.38 | karsten | rpc: What's the b/u server doing besides handling you ATM? |
| 09:01.40 | Cope | What about rsync? If I want to mirror the whole system, I'm guessing I can't just use a generic "rsync" user? It would need superuser privs, wouldn't it? |
| 09:01.43 | rpc | karsten i tested the drive too and it pumps 30-35MB/s |
| 09:01.45 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: CAN YOU answer our questions? |
| 09:01.59 | pinx | Cope: you could use sudo |
| 09:02.04 | stoned | streuner_: you have a tail again |
| 09:02.05 | perlmonkey | I will try |
| 09:02.17 | pinx | Cope: or create a user in teh right group |
| 09:02.17 | rpc | karsten it might be a little busy but not this much to give me 20mbit i believe :) especially as it never changes, i tried 100 times |
| 09:02.18 | eshaase | Supaplex: didn't answer my question |
| 09:02.25 | streuner_ | streuner_> perlmonkey: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:02.34 | perlmonkey | sorry streuner_ |
| 09:02.37 | rpc | lol about ATM, so true |
| 09:02.40 | eshaase | Supaplex: in all of the example it uses stable/testing/unstable for pinning but doesn't mention whether or not codenames are allowed |
| 09:02.45 | Cope | can one cron sudo? |
| 09:02.47 | pinx | Cope: a bit of creative thinking with users and groups did it for me |
| 09:02.54 | Supaplex | eshaase: did you try it and see? |
| 09:02.58 | perlmonkey | ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 09:03.08 | eshaase | Supaplex: i just looked |
| 09:03.19 | rpc | karsten would it work better without flow-control or should i leave it as is? |
| 09:03.26 | eshaase | Supaplex: and i've spent the last 30 minutes reading the man page for apt_preferences |
| 09:03.29 | karsten | rpc: Test to another host. I like using netcat for network speed tests. |
| 09:03.38 | amee2k | using the "vga=..." kernel parameter dramatically increased performance (cuts screen update times down to 1/3) |
| 09:03.39 | karsten | perlmonkey: Page hangs. |
| 09:03.41 | amee2k | ty karsten |
| 09:03.44 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 09:03.46 | rpc | karsten i tried... another host on same network and 4MB/s max |
| 09:03.49 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: wth is that? |
| 09:03.51 | karsten | amee2k: Cool. |
| 09:03.56 | perlmonkey | karsten: didnt even get to print preview it? |
| 09:04.02 | Supaplex | eshaase: well I guess I could try it... i know backports has some notes on the subject. (terse, and apply mostly to backports) |
| 09:04.02 | eshaase | the man page for apt_preferences implies that any field in the Release file can be used which gets me thinking |
| 09:04.11 | rpc | karsten never used netcat for that though, worth learning that it seems :) |
| 09:04.12 | perlmonkey | streuner_: I dunno :-/ |
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| 09:04.25 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: in order to create pdf files you could use cups-pdf |
| 09:04.25 | eshaase | Supaplex: ? |
| 09:04.40 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 09:04.42 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 09:04.42 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:04.43 | Supaplex | eshaase: I don't really know. I'd have to try it to know one way or another. why can't you try? |
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| 09:05.11 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: if you get postscript, ps2pdf will roll out a pdf file of it. |
| 09:05.40 | Supaplex | woah, 2am. later folks! :-X |
| 09:05.53 | ma3x | what's the AUDIO_TS directory used for on a DVD disc? |
| 09:06.01 | eshaase | Supaplex: because idon't know how to specify it since there isn't any documentation on it |
| 09:06.05 | eshaase | Supaplex: which is why i'm asking =) |
| 09:06.10 | karsten | perlmonkey: Nope. Damn near killed my window manager. |
| 09:06.19 | karsten | perlmonkey: Grossly bad javascript. |
| 09:06.36 | karsten | rpc: The speed test is in the README file. |
| 09:06.49 | perlmonkey | karsten: sorry :-/ theres no javascript, its just a very simple page for label printing uses CSS and html 4 :-/ |
| 09:07.00 | karsten | rpc: Basically: generate a file of known size, start a netcat listener, then fire off the sender with 'time'. |
| 09:07.01 | Supaplex | eshaase: oh. I'd help, but I'm nearly wasted. shuteye time. best of luck though. |
| 09:07.16 | karsten | perlmonkey: Well, it pretty much fucked up firefox. |
| 09:07.31 | perlmonkey | i don't know why it causes stability problems in browsers in Linux its fine in Windows |
| 09:07.48 | karsten | perlmonkey: Um, gee. I wonder what might possibly cause it to fuck up Linux... |
| 09:08.02 | ma3x | damn |
| 09:08.03 | karsten | perlmonkey: ... after all, MS Windows is *so* standards compliant. |
| 09:08.06 | Supaplex | perlmonkey: it's the spyware that keeps windows running. |
| 09:08.09 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 09:08.13 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 09:08.14 | rpc | karsten that sounds really great :) thank you for a new toy :) |
| 09:08.15 | ma3x | should I ask hundreds of times to get an answer |
| 09:08.16 | karsten | ma3x: ? |
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| 09:08.22 | karsten | rpc: ;-) |
| 09:08.23 | perlmonkey | karsten: any ideas? |
| 09:08.28 | ma3x | what's the damn audio_ts dir/ for? |
| 09:08.30 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 09:08.30 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid dairy cows. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 09:08.36 | karsten | !tell ma3x about repeat |
| 09:08.49 | ma3x | karsten: if u dont repeat, u aint gonna be seen again |
| 09:08.51 | streuner_ | !tell ma3x about stfu |
| 09:08.52 | karsten | ma3x: JRTI |
| 09:08.58 | ma3x | whats jrti |
| 09:08.59 | karsten | ma3x: erm, JFGI |
| 09:08.59 | perlmonkey | I would prefer not to go down the pdf route on this one |
| 09:09.12 | ma3x | so whats audio_ts for? its always empty |
| 09:09.32 | streuner_ | !tell ma3x about repeat |
| 09:09.44 | perlmonkey | karsten: I tested the same page using html table instead of CSS DIV's and it's fine under Linux browsers heh |
| 09:09.46 | karsten | streuner_: He/she/it has been told, and is an idiot, and a fool. |
| 09:09.58 | ma3x | told what? |
| 09:10.05 | karsten | perlmonkey: Validate your CSS. |
| 09:10.06 | ma3x | u didnt reply to my question |
| 09:10.31 | Steven_M | amee2k: vt doesn't work right either |
| 09:10.31 | perlmonkey | karsten: ok |
| 09:10.39 | karsten | perlmonkey: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/ |
| 09:10.45 | perlmonkey | thanks |
| 09:11.18 | streuner_ | karsten: he surely isn't an idiot (somebody who studied history in .ch and now working near Paris), but he's aggressive today ;-) |
| 09:12.19 | karsten | streuner_: If he studied history he'd damned well better learn from it. |
| 09:12.28 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 09:12.57 | ma3x | so nobody knows about audio_ts? |
| 09:13.56 | sepski | ma3x, a google search on audio_ts gave me DVD-Audio would be stored in an AUDIO_TS folder but is a separate format to DVD-Video, on the first hit |
| 09:14.07 | sepski | so if you have a DVD with only music.... that's where it goes |
| 09:14.37 | ma3x | ok, so that directory is only used if you have a music dvd disc |
| 09:14.38 | perlmonkey | karsten: thanks for help, sorry for crashing your browser :( |
| 09:14.53 | ma3x | perlmonkey: no problem, do it again |
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| 09:14.56 | perlmonkey | I located the problem I think |
| 09:14.57 | karsten | perlmonkey: NP. Fortunatly I don't typically run Firefox. Prefer Konq. |
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| 09:16.47 | perlmonkey | streuner_: did you see the pastebin of sources.list? |
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| 09:17.46 | streuner_ | no |
| 09:18.18 | Steven_M | amee2k: I think I need to find an ansi font |
| 09:18.31 | streuner_ | !sepski++ |
| 09:19.41 | Steven_M | amee2k: are you there? |
| 09:19.58 | ma3x | can ddrescue be used to rescue a directory? or multiple files? |
| 09:19.59 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: i cannot see any URL from you about... |
| 09:20.20 | perlmonkey | ah ok |
| 09:20.22 | streuner_ | ma3x: did you read the website about? (GNU.org)? |
| 09:20.47 | perlmonkey | streuner_: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5425 |
| 09:21.05 | ma3x | streuner_: I did read the manual |
| 09:22.04 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: you surely used some other entries in your sources.list before... |
| 09:22.20 | streuner_ | because 2.6.5 isn't stable/sarge at all... |
| 09:22.40 | streuner_ | perlmonkey> ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 09:22.45 | streuner_ | !info libc6 sarge |
| 09:22.51 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 09:23.03 | ma3x | streuner_: it says nothing about directory copying |
| 09:23.59 | streuner_ | ma3x: sure, i would use ddrescue when some HD crashed and nothing works at all PLUS i wouldn't have a backup :-)) |
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| 09:24.26 | ma3x | streuner_: what's your point? |
| 09:24.34 | streuner_ | it would be "the last straw" then... |
| 09:24.42 | streuner_ | ma3x: backups? |
| 09:25.43 | ma3x | streuner_: no backups this is a person's DVD+RW that is hardly readable, and I'm trying to rescue it like superman |
| 09:26.00 | sepski | streuner_, what does that do ? sepski++ ? |
| 09:26.27 | streuner_ | dpkg, karma sepski |
| 09:26.27 | dpkg | sepski has karma of 1 |
| 09:26.37 | streuner_ | it increases your karma |
| 09:26.48 | streuner_ | ma3x: oh, ic |
| 09:26.51 | eshaase | i've read the apt_preferneces man page and i'd like to learn more, is there anymore documentation on this? |
| 09:26.58 | sepski | to avoid beeing reincarnated as a human ? :) |
| 09:27.05 | sepski | dpkg, karma sep |
| 09:27.06 | dpkg | sep has karma of 2 |
| 09:27.11 | perlmonkey | streuner_: ah thanks |
| 09:27.48 | sepski | i see that i should die at work. since i have better karma there :) |
| 09:28.21 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: desktop system? |
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| 09:28.52 | hark | eshaase: /msg dpkg pinning |
| 09:29.24 | VImtermute | oy |
| 09:29.57 | eshaase | hark: i've looked at that already =) |
| 09:30.47 | hark | eshaase: apt-doc? apt-howto? google? |
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| 09:31.17 | streuner_ | pinning is a good way to shoot yourself into foot |
| 09:31.23 | streuner_ | just don't use it |
| 09:31.29 | perlmonkey | streuner_: I'm running gnome + fluxbox |
| 09:31.30 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 09:31.31 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 09:31.49 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: so why not just upgrade to etch? |
| 09:32.05 | perlmonkey | phew |
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| 09:32.06 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:32.09 | streuner_ | ...same goes for pinning |
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| 09:33.18 | VImtermute | man |
| 09:33.23 | VImtermute | aptitude's acting up |
| 09:33.41 | hark | *dist-upgrades ;) |
| 09:33.50 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: read the 'releases-notes' before... |
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| 09:34.00 | VImtermute | i select a few packages ( well actually a lot of them), and press g |
| 09:34.12 | VImtermute | and VOILA - no packages selected |
| 09:34.13 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:34.19 | VImtermute | wth? |
| 09:34.48 | streuner_ | perlmonkey: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
| 09:34.48 | hark | perlmonkey: kindof like install aptitude first .. and then use it to upgrade |
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| 09:35.11 | cusco | excuse-me! is there a place where I can download the factoids archive from dpkg ? |
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| 09:36.13 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 09:37.57 | hark | cusco: yes ... /msg dpkg my factoids |
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| 09:39.20 | hark | if it's still there... |
| 09:39.21 | VImtermute | hmmm... any ideas ppl? |
| 09:39.31 | eshaase | hark: ok, thanks |
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| 09:40.18 | coucou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:43.21 | perlmonkey | how many people are involved in making debian distributions |
| 09:43.34 | Coweater | lots |
| 09:43.45 | streuner_ | there are about 1000 DD's |
| 09:43.59 | perlmonkey | is there a debian place like an organization or do the people work online? |
| 09:44.06 | streuner_ | and some maints. too... |
| 09:44.09 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 09:44.38 | Coweater | there's debconf, but being internationaly i would think a lot happens online |
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| 09:45.15 | tralala | perlmonkey, some companies hire people to work on debian but the debian project itself doesn't have any headquarters (I think) |
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| 09:45.31 | perlmonkey | do you think it could ever happen that some big division could happen between the developers or support for debian could fall away in the dev community? |
| 09:45.47 | perlmonkey | interesting |
| 09:46.07 | Redhatter | Possible... you will get polarisation of large groups happening, and you won't please everyone. |
| 09:46.20 | perlmonkey | I guess people and companies donate a lot of material and monetry resources to the developers? |
| 09:46.26 | tralala | anything can happen, including Bill Gates become an open source high priest |
| 09:46.37 | streuner_ | haha |
| 09:46.38 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 09:46.42 | Redhatter | Heh :-) |
| 09:46.59 | Coweater | the social contract helps in defining things so a large division is less likely |
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| 09:47.21 | Redhatter | Perhaps package that Debian installer for Windows as a trojan, and send it to Microsoft HQ? |
| 09:47.26 | xingu | tralala: only after he's finished redefining "open source" to include drm-locked patent encumbered binary-only modules |
| 09:47.35 | perlmonkey | in terms of user base is Debian the largest Linux community? |
| 09:48.02 | Coweater | impossible to tell |
| 09:48.03 | tralala | xingu, hehe :) |
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| 09:48.12 | tralala | nice point |
| 09:49.29 | cusco | thanks hark |
| 09:49.40 | tralala | perlmonkey, the closest thing to reality is probably the linux counter |
| 09:50.24 | perlmonkey | do developers typically work on their own individual projects which collectively make up the debian distribution or do developers work as teams on lots of stuff together |
| 09:50.32 | perlmonkey | I guess it's a bit of both? |
| 09:51.20 | tralala | perlmonkey, why don't you read some of the excelent documents about the project from the project's homepage? |
| 09:51.23 | schme | perlmonkey: Developers don't often develope software specifically for Debian. |
| 09:51.45 | xingu | yes, and developer is a role, not a straightjacket; developer and end user are not dipoles |
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| 09:53.00 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 09:53.19 | xingu | the great thing about open source is that as and end user if it's broken you have the tools you need to fix it; so will a schism happen? doubtful, too many canny end users |
| 09:53.24 | perlmonkey | debian is showing as the most popular dist on Linux counter |
| 09:53.48 | xingu | it's got one of the longest trails, that's unsurprising |
| 09:54.08 | ma3x | what means to truncate a file? |
| 09:54.19 | ma3x | to continue from where it stopped? |
| 09:54.26 | chemaja2 | here's an example of truncat |
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| 09:54.46 | xingu | ma3x: usually the special case of zeroing it by rewriting an eof mark at offset=0 |
| 09:54.52 | defcon8 | haha noone uses linux in vatican city |
| 09:55.05 | chemaja2 | defcon8, what |
| 09:55.15 | perlmonkey | like: > file = truncate? |
| 09:55.18 | defcon8 | http://counter.li.org/reports/nonuser-countries.php |
| 09:55.23 | xingu | ma3x: although the term can mean any operation leaving it shorter than it was previously |
| 09:55.48 | perlmonkey | empty the file contents to zero bytes |
| 09:56.04 | chemaja2 | deface, oh heh |
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| 09:56.46 | eshaase | how come when i do 'apt-cache policy firefox' or 'apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox' it tell me its not installed when i have open right now? |
| 09:56.47 | perlmonkey | why doesnt debian have it's own stats on downloads, maybe it does somewhere |
| 09:57.02 | ma3x | xingu: so if I already have a file that's 400 MB, and the original is 500 MB, what option do I use with ddrescue to make it continue from 400 MB? |
| 09:57.33 | defcon8 | does anyone know of pure console linux phones where you can dial from the command line and so on? |
| 09:57.43 | xingu | ma3x: never used ddrescue; words you'd be looking for in the documentation would be "append" perhaps. |
| 09:58.21 | xingu | ma3x: linux "cat" is 8bit clean; you could always recover to a new file and then cat 400mb-partial new-partial >somefile |
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| 09:59.24 | xjkx | on freebsd i can block everything and keep state, how can i do it on iptables? like i would like to block ALL INPUTS except the ones that I connect in :> |
| 09:59.50 | xjkx | when i send an output package to 200.111.111.11 then it can send me an input package, like this |
| 09:59.59 | xjkx | If i don't, it cant |
| 10:00.11 | xjkx | I mean shouldn't |
| 10:00.23 | ma3x | xingu: you mean using both cat and ddrescue? or it can be done with just cat? |
| 10:00.57 | xingu | xjkx: --state ESTABLISHED, RELATED |
| 10:01.41 | xjkx | xingu, thanks, what now? should i set input policity as drop and i won't have conection problem? or should i make a rule like drop everything? |
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| 10:03.14 | xingu | xjkx: park an accept rule on your input chain for ESTABLISHED,RELATED; conntrack will keep a hash of established flows eitherbound, and ones that don't match established flows inbound won't match that rule. |
| 10:03.53 | xingu | xjkx: nb you will probably need to manually load the various conntrack app helper models for specific protocol support (ftp,irc,what-e-vah) |
| 10:04.26 | xingu | ma3x: ddrescue to create file fragments, cat to reassemble them would be one strategy |
| 10:05.29 | xingu | xjkx: obviously state tracking isn't zero cost; you might want to keep an eye on forwarding delay and tune appropriately if this is a busy head-end |
| 10:05.54 | ma3x | I can't really understand: what means to truncate the output file? |
| 10:06.03 | Guerin | also dpesn't work for stateless protocols like udp, doe it? |
| 10:06.08 | xingu | yes, it does |
| 10:06.11 | xingu | that's the point. :) |
| 10:06.13 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 10:06.17 | Guerin | cool :) |
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| 10:06.48 | Guerin | ma3x: look the words up in a dictionary? |
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| 10:07.15 | xingu | no, cool is using recent in addition to conntrack so that someone taking a pop gets logarithmic backoff |
| 10:07.19 | xingu | :) |
| 10:07.29 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:07.35 | Guerin | i have to learn pf tomorrow |
| 10:07.41 | Guerin | i hope it's as easy as iptables |
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| 10:08.10 | ma3x | Guerin: it kinda means to cut it, to make it shorter. but what does that mean when you try to rescue a file? |
| 10:08.23 | Guerin | ma3x: i don't know. |
| 10:08.23 | xjkx | xingu, altough i am not running any service so i dont need to manually load anything, i think |
| 10:08.28 | xingu | the nice thing about recent+conntrack is that you can also spoonfeed it host ids heuristics; so if someone's connecting to a visible service and upsetting it, they get no soup for a while too |
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| 10:09.12 | xingu | xjkx: you probably do; some applications like ftp actv mode, irc/ctcp suite, h323 family, yadda have an implied remote-end initiated connect |
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| 10:09.34 | xingu | xjkx: hence, you need to peek into the to-remote application layer and higher to work out if you're expecting such |
| 10:09.43 | xingu | xjkx: which is precisely what the helpers to. |
| 10:09.48 | xingu | s/to/do/ |
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| 10:10.57 | xjkx | Oh yea, thanks, going to test things, be right back |
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| 10:11.52 | mohojojo | @find strictly |
| 10:12.21 | mohojojo | !list |
| 10:12.22 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to mohojojo |
| 10:12.28 | Guerin | ... |
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| 10:12.42 | Guerin | i guess he got what he came for |
| 10:12.51 | sepski | hehe probably :) |
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| 10:16.06 | defcon8 | just downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso . Of course, I forgot to check the md5sum so I have wasted a cd. Does anyone else know of errors or is it my internet? |
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| 10:17.43 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 10:18.01 | ribasushi | I need to copy a large filesystem to another one and preserve extended attributes (samba) |
| 10:18.06 | ribasushi | what options do I have in this day and age |
| 10:18.50 | Guerin | ribasushi: which filesystem? |
| 10:19.08 | xingu | ribasushi: xcopy /s/e/v/z ;) |
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| 10:20.36 | ribasushi | xingu: checking it out |
| 10:20.41 | Guerin | ... |
| 10:20.51 | ribasushi | Guerin: ext2 -> xfs, how does it matter? |
| 10:20.55 | Guerin | xingu: you win. |
| 10:20.55 | defcon8 | bloody hell. not even the business card is downloading properlyu |
| 10:20.58 | defcon8 | what is going on? |
| 10:21.22 | Guerin | ribasushi: by `extended attributes' do you mean ACL stuff or what? |
| 10:21.33 | xingu | ribasushi: there's a xattr patch for rsync but it seems to not be in the debian version |
| 10:21.42 | xingu | ribasushi: amusingly enough it's in the apple version. :) |
| 10:21.43 | ribasushi | Guerin: I mean extended attributes :) system EAs + user EAs |
| 10:21.57 | Guerin | ribasushi: it was unclear is you were asking about windows or free software filesystems |
| 10:22.01 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 10:22.10 | Guerin | yeah, as xingu said about rsync |
| 10:22.14 | Guerin | unsure of any other way |
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| 10:23.02 | hark | perlmonkey: heh, what's wrong with it? |
| 10:23.12 | boodie | Hi - is there a database interface that works with postgersql? |
| 10:23.29 | xingu | psql? :) |
| 10:23.39 | hark | psql! |
| 10:23.45 | perlmonkey | hark: it's not as intutitive to use as apt-get, how do u get to the Actions menu? I want to remove some things from hold and do a dist upgrade |
| 10:24.04 | ribasushi | I guess getfattr/setfattr is the only way now |
| 10:24.06 | ribasushi | stupid |
| 10:24.11 | Guerin | perlmonkey: i recommend the cli, not the curses |
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| 10:24.21 | Guerin | ribasushi: yeah, that looks like work |
| 10:24.32 | hark | use + |
| 10:24.37 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:25.07 | hark | perlmonkey: actually, you can use it just like apt-get. You don't need the gui stuff |
| 10:25.07 | boodie | Sorry - you are right: is there a tool such as pgaccess (but working), by which I can design a form and input data (such as using multiple choice comboboxes)? |
| 10:25.07 | xingu | ribasushi: for perms only, see rsync --acls |
| 10:25.26 | perlmonkey | cool, how do you do that? |
| 10:25.36 | xingu | ribasushi: sorry, I thought you meant all the goodness, like streams; but if it's just acl's that are flipping your wig, use rsync/--acls -auvz or similar |
| 10:25.45 | Guerin | perlmonkey: man aptitude :) |
| 10:25.52 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 10:25.58 | rpc | how do i create a raw filesystem and can i use it as any other? |
| 10:26.01 | hark | perlmonkey: aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade; aptitude install bla etc. man aptitude |
| 10:26.18 | Guerin | ribasushi: what is this `raw' filesystem of which you speak? |
| 10:26.21 | perlmonkey | hark: thanks |
| 10:26.28 | perlmonkey | same format then |
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| 10:26.57 | Guerin | perlmonkey: once you start using sptitude, yoiu need to stop using apt-get |
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| 10:26.59 | xingu | boodie: maybe try gnue forms? |
| 10:27.08 | Guerin | perlmonkey: they don't always play nice together |
| 10:27.09 | perlmonkey | ok I wont use apt-get now |
| 10:27.21 | xingu | boodie: dunno how active that is these days, but it was certainly square aimed at that end of the business. |
| 10:27.22 | hsk | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.31 | hark | perlmonkey: one of the best things is the dependency tracking. |
| 10:27.42 | christopherl | is there any website offering pc games downloads you pay for? |
| 10:27.57 | hark | rpc: virtualbox not in Debian then ;) |
| 10:28.01 | hsk | oh no! anyone here knows what happens when you loose the irc passwd? |
| 10:28.19 | hsk | I mean how do I get it back |
| 10:28.24 | sepski | hsk, you ask in #freenode |
| 10:28.28 | xingu | I bet nickserv has an idea |
| 10:28.41 | Coweater | christopherl: dunno about a website, valve's steam network does that essentially, you looking for something for linux? |
| 10:28.44 | Guerin | !htfswk christopherl |
| 10:28.45 | dpkg | christopherl: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 10:28.46 | hsk | maybe it was stolen? |
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| 10:28.53 | Guerin | hsk: ... |
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| 10:29.14 | hsk | sepski: I can't I am redirected to an empty channel |
| 10:29.16 | hark | hsk: check ebay! |
| 10:29.26 | hsk | Guerin... |
| 10:29.35 | perlmonkey | stolen goods frequently turn up on ebay? |
| 10:29.37 | sepski | hsk, try again ? i joined it without problems |
| 10:29.40 | perlmonkey | hehe |
| 10:29.43 | Guerin | perlmonkey: say it ain't so! |
| 10:29.52 | boodie | xingu: gnue forms? |
| 10:30.13 | xingu | boodie: yep, last update sep/06, I guess it's still going |
| 10:30.32 | xingu | boodie: free reinvention of a certain O vendor's "forms" product. |
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| 10:33.23 | suppaman | hello guys |
| 10:33.53 | suppaman | I want to change a startup script and I'm using init=/bin/sh at lilo, is there a more debian-ish way ? |
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| 10:34.38 | VImtermute | suppaman, apt-get install t3hstartupscript0r |
| 10:34.44 | VImtermute | kidding |
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| 10:35.08 | haggz | I gave into temptation and installed Beryl in my sid partition, it was painless and everything seems to be in order. Gotta admit I'm impressed, especially since I'm using a 512 mb machine w/ integrated GPU. I feel like I've given into the dark side of GUI-candy. |
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| 10:36.29 | suppaman | what's beryl ? |
| 10:36.31 | kwak | hello, I have a very slow rendering in blender, but google earth works fine. what may be a problem? |
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| 10:37.29 | hsk | kwak: CPU? |
| 10:37.53 | hsk | kwak: rendering that way is pretty hard, and lots of RAM are needed too |
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| 10:38.14 | kwak | hsk: I have 1.5 celeron with 512MB ram..do you think? |
| 10:38.30 | hsk | :) |
| 10:38.33 | suppaman | hsk: are there hw rendering solution? |
| 10:38.38 | suppaman | solutions |
| 10:38.40 | hsk | not enough for 3D design |
| 10:39.30 | hsk | AMD 3200 64bt + 3GB RAM + nVidia 7600 512MB |
| 10:39.47 | hsk | surely that helps |
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| 10:40.15 | hsk | I hve 2800 and 2GBG and runs decent |
| 10:40.37 | perlmonkey | hsk: hehe my bike isnt stolen its at the foot of my bed I can see it :P |
| 10:41.31 | Coweater | a bike nerd? |
| 10:41.46 | kwak | :-/ |
| 10:41.59 | hsk | ./me thinks perlmonkey has to take care of it, 'cause he doesn't know his bike is under presale in eBay |
| 10:42.01 | perlmonkey | im a careful owner, i dont want it robbed |
| 10:42.24 | perlmonkey | all the things I value I put at the foot of my bed |
| 10:42.33 | hsk | Coweater: well glasses are good for bike riding |
| 10:42.51 | suppaman | perlmonkey: and should you have a car where would you put it ? |
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| 10:43.22 | suppaman | guys can anyone help with with wifi settings ? |
| 10:43.25 | perlmonkey | hehe that's why I have a bike ;-) |
| 10:43.27 | Coweater | cars aren't valuable, they depreciate horribly and eventually will be only good for scrap |
| 10:43.28 | suppaman | I'm getting a little crazy |
| 10:44.05 | perlmonkey | suppaman whats up |
| 10:44.39 | suppaman | perlmonkey: well I'm really not into the atuhentication thing |
| 10:45.04 | suppaman | my AP (a Netgear MEsomething, maybe ME103) let me choose between Open and Shared authentication |
| 10:45.21 | suppaman | I have set Shared and it asks for a WEP password |
| 10:45.55 | boodie | Anybody knows how to use zope? |
| 10:45.59 | suppaman | now I'm on the debian box and I'm trying to supply the key using iwconfig eth21 essid MYSID key MYKEY |
| 10:46.14 | suppaman | perlmonkey: my key is hex like 1F34BC6D |
| 10:46.28 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 10:46.35 | hsk | apt you do |
| 10:46.38 | suppaman | perlmonkey: but the linux box (debian etch) doesn't ping router |
| 10:46.43 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 10:46.48 | hsk | !apt you do |
| 10:47.07 | xingu | suppaman: until you find your feet you might find it easier to use network-manager-gnome |
| 10:47.09 | xingu | or whatever. |
| 10:47.22 | suppaman | xingu: i'm not using x |
| 10:47.30 | hsk | !crap |
| 10:47.31 | dpkg | i guess crap is if its not crap, its hilarious |
| 10:47.59 | suppaman | xingu: I know where my feet are and I can even make few steps with them (with care!) |
| 10:48.23 | eshaase | why is it that the default sudo install doesn't require users to type in a password? |
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| 10:48.43 | suppaman | iwconfig man speaks about open and restricted key as mutually exclusive so I think that's what ME103 calls Open and Shared |
| 10:49.43 | perlmonkey | it sounds like you could benefit from reading a howto or something |
| 10:49.54 | xingu | suppaman: fair do; it's just that there's a good few layers between a broken wlan and the success case - network-manager can generate working setups reasonably readily for cross correlation |
| 10:50.03 | xingu | suppaman: call me the eternal pragmatist. |
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| 10:50.37 | suppaman | isn't there a cli network manager ? |
| 10:50.38 | perlmonkey | network-manager is good |
| 10:50.48 | suppaman | ncurses too |
| 10:51.00 | suppaman | xingu: wait, other computers are working in wlan |
| 10:51.33 | suppaman | xingu: and until I changed auth from Open to Shared (about an hour ago) even my debian box was fine |
| 10:51.45 | suppaman | (I simply used "key off") |
| 10:51.56 | xingu | suppaman: specifically re: open v shared; restricted is probably a synonym for shared; shared as in "preshared key" ie you must have the bssid and wep key set before associating |
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| 10:52.19 | suppaman | bssid =? |
| 10:52.26 | suppaman | broadcast ? |
| 10:52.42 | xingu | suppaman: the wireless name of your network |
| 10:52.49 | suppaman | what's the 'b' for ? |
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| 10:52.54 | xingu | base |
| 10:53.18 | suppaman | isn't the same as ssid ? |
| 10:53.37 | xingu | err, I should have said essid; but ~loosely yes |
| 10:53.58 | suppaman | ok I know essid and I'm passing it to iwconfig using "essid MYSID" |
| 10:54.15 | suppaman | it is the same as it was previously and I haven't changed the option so I think it's fine |
| 10:54.18 | xingu | suppaman: yep; ok so the last part of this is that sometimes setting key on flushes your actual key out |
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| 10:55.13 | xingu | suppaman: check the ordering; set the key, then key on, then key restricted works for me |
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| 10:55.31 | rpc | has anyone heard of a port knocking application for win32? |
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| 10:56.20 | vithos | knocking? |
| 10:56.34 | AussieHatter | rpc: (linux) |
| 10:56.38 | hsk | usually don't knock, they just come into |
| 10:56.39 | AussieHatter | rpc: lol |
| 10:56.40 | suppaman | xingu: running just "iwconfig eth21" I can see "Encryption key:1F34BC6D Security mode:restricted" and in the following line "Link Quality:0 Signal level:43" |
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| 10:56.56 | suppaman | xingu: can you suggest me a network manager for cli ?= |
| 10:57.02 | rpc | AussieHatter i sometimes need to connect to the remote debian using win laptop |
| 10:57.04 | xingu | nope. :) |
| 10:57.05 | hsk | eth21 ! |
| 10:57.11 | AussieHatter | rpc: easy |
| 10:57.20 | rpc | AussieHatter and nothing funny in this - to do a sequence each time by hand :) |
| 10:57.47 | AussieHatter | well, i just use one knock, that opens for 60 seconds, then have two entries in putty |
| 10:58.17 | rpc | AussieHatter so you just knock with putty manually |
| 10:58.19 | xingu | suppaman: is it a wep56 or wep128 key? |
| 10:58.22 | AussieHatter | rpc: yes |
| 10:58.31 | AussieHatter | takes one extra mouse click |
| 10:58.31 | rpc | AussieHatter how about 5 knocks? :) |
| 10:58.37 | AussieHatter | why would you bother ? |
| 10:58.41 | rpc | that's 6 clicks to connect :) |
| 10:58.47 | suppaman | xingu: the router config page reports it as a 64-bit WEP |
| 10:58.47 | AussieHatter | i cant see how more than one knock is necessary |
| 10:59.01 | rpc | AussieHatter hm some people are just more paranoid than others ;) |
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| 10:59.07 | AussieHatter | one port before closes it, one after closes it |
| 10:59.08 | xingu | suppaman: and is it installing it as a passphrase or as an actual set of hex digits? |
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| 10:59.19 | AussieHatter | so port scans wwill close it |
| 10:59.23 | suppaman | xingu: hex digits, I wasn't able to have it working as passphrase |
| 10:59.38 | xingu | suppaman: maybe try 0123-4567-89 syntax |
| 10:59.40 | rpc | AussieHatter that's not bad... |
| 11:00.26 | suppaman | xingu: actually what I printed was just an example, it is already in XXXX-XXXX-XX syntax |
| 11:00.43 | suppaman | xingu: do you have a wireless connection on atm ? |
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| 11:01.35 | xingu | suppaman: yup |
| 11:01.58 | suppaman | xingu: can you perform a iwconfig? i'm curious about what Link quality is |
| 11:02.27 | xingu | suppaman: typically 95/100; i3945 with a bloody marvellous aerial around the inside of the display |
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| 11:03.03 | suppaman | xingu: so I think 0 isn't that good |
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| 11:03.14 | djnux17 | hi all |
| 11:04.10 | djnux17 | is there anyone that knows about making linux distro ??? |
| 11:04.17 | xingu | suppaman: try resetting your card - iwpriv reset 2 |
| 11:04.25 | xingu | suppaman: you never know. ;) |
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| 11:05.22 | raf256 | it would seem that stable debian is horribly fscked up - apt and aptitude crash while procesing stable packages list |
| 11:05.47 | suppaman | xingu: iwpriv reports "no private ioctls" for all interfaces |
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| 11:06.09 | sepski | raf256, in apt-get update ? |
| 11:06.23 | raf256 | sepski: for example, or in almost any operation, same for aptitude |
| 11:06.51 | xingu | suppaman: oh well; what if you ifconfig down and then back up? |
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| 11:07.05 | Furian | I'm opped in [34/64] channels on [5] networks. I have the power over [502/3499] users. -Script created by Dyno- |
| 11:07.23 | sepski | raf256, works perfectly for me |
| 11:07.27 | raf256 | Furian: are you an idiot in 1/1 persons? |
| 11:07.46 | raf256 | sepski: well, segfaults for me |
| 11:07.48 | AussieHatter | hmmm, i have never used sudo, the program sbackup is asking for root password but failing, the log shows it is trying to sudo, is there something that has to be done to match sudo with passwd ? |
| 11:07.52 | suppaman | xingu: the same |
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| 11:08.04 | sepski | raf256, so sage is perfectly fine, but you fscked up :) |
| 11:08.07 | xingu | suppaman: what driver are you using? |
| 11:08.12 | raf256 | sepski: inside pkgCacheGenerator::ListParser::NewDepends |
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| 11:08.14 | [abhishek] | !good bittorrent client |
| 11:08.36 | hark | raf256: remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and do an apt-get update |
| 11:08.41 | raf256 | !bug #411338 |
| 11:08.41 | dpkg | bug #411338 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=#411338 |
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| 11:08.50 | sepski | !tell [abhishek] about bittorrent |
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| 11:08.54 | raf256 | hark: yes I am doing thatl sepski ^ |
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| 11:09.02 | dulica | Hi |
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| 11:09.17 | raf256 | !bug 411338 |
| 11:09.18 | dpkg | bug 411338 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=411338 |
| 11:09.20 | suppaman | xingu: rt2400 |
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| 11:09.26 | suppaman | xingu: with modules assistant |
| 11:09.27 | hark | !dbugs 411338 |
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| 11:09.32 | dpkg | #411338:N[aptitude] segfault in aptitude in pkgCacheGenerator::ListParser::NewDepends; Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:51:02 UTC |
| 11:09.49 | dulica | i have one question - how i can set one ppp0 to be locked to one IP ? |
| 11:09.54 | xingu | suppaman: *nod*; so ok play a little; set key on, key restricted, and then set essid, then key |
| 11:10.02 | xingu | suppaman: all as discrete commands |
| 11:10.02 | suppaman | xingu: the point is I know I can have it working disabling WEP and I really don't need it, but I have to understand _why_ |
| 11:10.06 | hark | !bad bot |
| 11:10.06 | dpkg | :( |
| 11:10.42 | sepski | raf256, silly you, versions 0.4.4 ? you said debian stable :) |
| 11:10.51 | AussieHatter | dulica: ppp0 gets assigned its ip from the isp doesnt it ? you speaking of dsl ? |
| 11:11.03 | raf256 | sepski: I am on testing, but parsing stable's repo |
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| 11:12.45 | xingu | suppaman: sure, understand - I'm guessing that there's just some bit of magic for that driver wrt restricted mode |
| 11:12.56 | AussieHatter | dulica: or you have multiple ppp's ? |
| 11:13.05 | eshaase | when i selected the 'SQL database' task during install it installed some postgresql packages... if i remove these packages will my system act as if i had never selected this 'SQL database' task option? |
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| 11:13.22 | xingu | suppaman: difference between open+wep and shared/restricted+wep is whether or not the association request is wep-encyrpted |
| 11:14.02 | suppaman | xingu: I don't know much wireless mechanisms so I don't know what association exactly is |
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| 11:14.17 | suppaman | xingu: anyway I'd be happy to use open+wep if it worked |
| 11:14.37 | hark | eshaase: no, there may be more packages. check with tasksel --task-packages database-server |
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| 11:15.21 | hark | eshaase: purge those packages and all is good :) |
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| 11:16.17 | eshaase | hark: excellent, thanks! |
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| 11:18.44 | suppaman | xingu: I'll try open+wep |
| 11:18.54 | suppaman | xingu: afair open+wep worked |
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| 11:20.41 | threw | hi all ! ive got a little problem with iceweasel (mozilla firefox 2) : http://pastebin.ca/raw/361829 i can only run iceweasel in root ! could anyone help me please ? |
| 11:20.41 | suppaman | xingu: I'm using open+ |
| 11:20.44 | suppaman | xingu: I'm using open+wep now |
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| 11:21.38 | ma3x | when I copy files, what's safer? to copy more or less blocks? |
| 11:22.31 | suppaman | xingu: correct me, Authentication is for connecting to the wireless network, Encryption is just for the data flow |
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| 11:22.49 | haggz | threw: that sounds like a basic permission problem on your executable |
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| 11:24.28 | hsk | !give a cookie to suppaman |
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| 11:25.00 | threw | haggz, any idea to solve it please ? |
| 11:25.12 | suppaman | hsk: thanks |
| 11:25.18 | threw | tried to do a chmod+x on it without success |
| 11:25.20 | suppaman | I needed it |
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| 11:26.10 | haggz | threw: actually it looks the problem might be in your path |
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| 11:26.20 | threw | haggz, ive just done a chmod 77 on it without success either |
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| 11:26.45 | DarkStranger | xD |
| 11:26.51 | haggz | threw: is libmozjs.so stored inside a folder with root permissions, or something? |
| 11:26.57 | DarkStranger | sup? |
| 11:27.52 | DarkStranger | :S |
| 11:28.02 | threw | haggz, yes it is its stored in /usr/lib or in /usr/lib/iceweasel . i shouldnt give permission to a normal user to modify those repertories, right ? |
| 11:28.25 | haggz | threw: not to modify, but to execute |
| 11:29.05 | suppaman | security mode is always "restricted" even if I perform a iwconfig eth21 key open |
| 11:29.11 | haggz | threw: and read |
| 11:29.15 | threw | chmod -R +x /usr/lib/ you mean haggz ? |
| 11:29.50 | haggz | threw: just look to see if any of the files used by iceweasel have different permission settings than your other library files and paths |
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| 11:30.06 | Victor_ | hello |
| 11:30.10 | Victor_ | http://www.fourmigration.com/link.php?pid=15&cont=5 |
| 11:30.32 | threw | haggz, no they dont :( |
| 11:31.09 | xingu | suppaman: that starts to sound like a driver that has different ideas about the wireless extentions than the iwconfig(1) author |
| 11:31.30 | xingu | suppaman: in closed mode the authentication is wep'd too; hence - closed/restricted. |
| 11:31.54 | xingu | suppaman: ie, if you don't know the key, you can't associate; in open+wep mode - you can associate without knowing the key, just not pass traffic. |
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| 11:32.15 | haggz | threw: well root also has a different default executable path set by default, as regular user i dont have /sbin directories, could something not be executed because of a path difference? |
| 11:32.24 | xingu | suppaman: sometimes open infers "will also pass unencrypted frames" - it's a soup of options |
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| 11:32.36 | suppaman | xingu: why the lil' bastard isn't associating even if I am providing him the key ? |
| 11:33.15 | suppaman | xingu: folllow me, if you can, actually I've the access point with Open-WEP |
| 11:33.32 | suppaman | xingu: I know the key and I have checked it |
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| 11:33.55 | suppaman | xingu: my config is static, and I haven't changed a bit |
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| 11:33.59 | ProActive | Hi all |
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| 11:34.29 | suppaman | xingu: so I do a - ifconfig eth21 up; iwconfig eth21 essid MYSID channel 10 key open 1F34BC6D |
| 11:34.33 | suppaman | xingu: shouldn't it work ? |
| 11:35.00 | suppaman | btw I'm chatting via the wireless network using the ibook that's near the linux box |
| 11:35.08 | threw | haggz, no, i've just checkes both path, any executable called iceweasel are in the root path (except the one in /usr/bin/iceweasel) |
| 11:35.34 | hsk | how do I resume something stoped with Ctrl-z ? |
| 11:35.42 | blame | will it serve any good if I setup my router's IP 192.168.1.1 to enable all hosts and ports on the internal network to be open? |
| 11:35.52 | h3sp4wn | hsk: fg |
| 11:36.03 | blame | DMZ on 192.168.1.1 I mean |
| 11:36.07 | hsk | yah, thanks |
| 11:36.23 | haggz | threw: have you tried making another user account and seeing if that new user can run iceweasel? |
| 11:36.37 | suppaman | xingu: the point is iwconfig shows me "Security mode: restricted" even If I'm telling it to use open instead |
| 11:36.38 | raf256 | in aptitude how to upgrade all applications besides X |
| 11:36.39 | threw | no i dont. lets try. |
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| 11:36.53 | raf256 | like.. aptitude upgrade except foobar |
| 11:37.34 | xingu | suppaman: sound like driver borkennes |
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| 11:37.42 | _fjh_ | Hi, I want to compile many kernels(git-bisecting) using make-kpkg. But I cannot find the relation between --append-to-version X --revision Y and the the version string file changelog Z. |
| 11:37.54 | _fjh_ | How Is this done normally? |
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| 11:39.14 | dfd | hello |
| 11:39.45 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 11:39.46 | S0UL_0F_R00T | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:40.14 | suppaman | xingu: but do you agree that iwconfig should shows "Security mode: open" instead ? |
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| 11:40.41 | dfd | I just installed debian from a testing sarge cd I had. I installed the xserver-xfree86 and ion3, but I can't install xbase-clients.. |
| 11:41.26 | threw | haggz, it seemms that my new user dont have access to X.org server. how to give it to him please? |
| 11:41.27 | Coweater | install x-window-system-core or x-window-system |
| 11:42.15 | dfd | Coweater, I can't because it says x-window-system depends on xbase-clients but it is not going to be installed |
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| 11:42.57 | haggz | threw: My default system configuration gives access to xserver to new users, did you configure for extra security? Or perhaps there is a global permission issue of some kind? |
| 11:43.39 | threw | haggz, no i didnt configure for extra security :( |
| 11:43.43 | xingu | suppaman: again I'm not game to check but that would seem logical |
| 11:44.26 | suppaman | xingu: I'm just searching for little comprehension |
| 11:44.32 | suppaman | anyway i'm out for lunch |
| 11:44.33 | suppaman | thanks |
| 11:44.43 | suppaman | bye |
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| 11:44.52 | suppaman | I think I'll disable encryption |
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| 11:44.56 | doojin | I want to install debian onto a computer with amd64 cpu |
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| 11:45.05 | doojin | What should I choose? |
| 11:45.29 | doojin | I don't know what architecture to choose |
| 11:46.20 | Redhatter | i386 or amd64 |
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| 11:46.41 | doojin | there is no amd64 |
| 11:46.50 | Redhatter | Well, choice made then. :-P |
| 11:47.09 | Redhatter | I thought Etch had an AMD64 port? |
| 11:47.11 | doojin | Redhatter : did you install i386 debian on amd64 cpu? |
| 11:47.14 | threw | haggz, ive succeded to run iceweasel with a new user: but it doesnt work either :( |
| 11:47.22 | Redhatter | doojin, I don't have an AMD64 machine |
| 11:47.30 | Redhatter | My boxes are all x86 and MIPS |
| 11:47.52 | doojin | what is mips? |
| 11:48.02 | threw | Millioni nstrcution per second |
| 11:48.09 | haggz | threw: but the new user has normal access to other services now? so still just Iceweasel behaving oddly? |
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| 11:49.04 | threw | yes, Iceweasel behaving oddly still. an " sh -x `which /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin`" still answer me "/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin: cannot execute binary file" :( |
| 11:49.08 | Redhatter | threw, Not in this case... |
| 11:49.16 | Redhatter | doojin, http://www.linux-mips.org |
| 11:49.45 | Redhatter | Basically, early SGI machines for the most part. |
| 11:49.48 | doojin | maybe i386 is compatible with amd64 |
| 11:49.53 | Redhatter | It is. |
| 11:50.00 | threw | Redhatter, mouarf weird accronym ;-p |
| 11:50.06 | Redhatter | The AMD64 was designed to be backward compatable with i386 |
| 11:50.08 | haggz | threw: what about trying aptitude reinstall iceweasel? |
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| 11:50.29 | nyty | apt-get --PURGE remove iceweasel |
| 11:50.30 | Redhatter | threw, FLA's... aren't they wonderful? :-) |
| 11:50.32 | nyty | apt-get install iceweasel |
| 11:50.34 | raf256 | how can I hack into my neighbour's wireless (WEP) to use his internet for free? |
| 11:50.51 | Redhatter | raf256, By knocking on the door and asking for the WEP key |
| 11:50.53 | nyty | raf256: You know it`s wep ? |
| 11:51.02 | raf256 | nyty: yes |
| 11:51.05 | nyty | airsnort |
| 11:51.08 | raf256 | Redhatter: they wan't let me |
| 11:51.10 | haggz | threw: use nyty's code |
| 11:51.21 | Redhatter | raf256, And there's probably a good reason why they won't. |
| 11:51.28 | nyty | airsnort |
| 11:51.29 | nyty | :-) |
| 11:51.32 | Redhatter | It's their network, they have that right. |
| 11:51.46 | raf256 | no I am just playing. actually it's not really me, but a person I know. is it morall to do so/ |
| 11:51.55 | raf256 | btw, this person is a debian developer |
| 11:51.56 | nyty | raf |
| 11:52.04 | nyty | apt-cache search wep crack |
| 11:52.08 | nyty | there is 4 programs |
| 11:52.11 | nyty | there are |
| 11:52.15 | threw | nyty, haggz ok im trying |
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| 11:52.31 | threw | Redhatter, oO |
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| 11:53.14 | raf256 | btw, if WEP keys are changed weekly, then WEP is enought to be rather safe? |
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| 11:53.36 | nyty | WEP is wrong alghorytm |
| 11:53.47 | nyty | if you know what packet is |
| 11:53.50 | Redhatter | That solves *one* of the problems with WEP, yes. |
| 11:53.52 | nyty | ... arp or other |
| 11:53.53 | raf256 | my own router only have WEP |
| 11:53.57 | nyty | if you request of DHCP ACK |
| 11:54.02 | nyty | you know what`s in packet |
| 11:54.08 | nyty | then you crack WEP |
| 11:54.21 | nyty | you must have probably 4k packets |
| 11:54.26 | raf256 | not 4 mln? |
| 11:54.30 | nyty | no |
| 11:54.36 | nyty | but |
| 11:54.38 | nyty | it can be WPA too |
| 11:54.44 | nyty | some cards show WEP as WPA |
| 11:54.46 | Redhatter | OpenVPN over 802.11B I find works a lot better than WEP. Especially since I have wireless cards that only do 40-bit WEP |
| 11:54.51 | nyty | WPA is better |
| 11:54.52 | xingu | and then your neighbour thinks that as you don't seem to be bound by any kind of self restraint, that they'll drop the act too - and smack the living crap out of you. |
| 11:55.02 | nyty | yes |
| 11:55.08 | nyty | Radius or OpenVPN |
| 11:55.10 | threw | haggz, nyty it doesnt work either ! :( |
| 11:55.15 | nyty | are best secured authentifications |
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| 11:55.36 | nyty | but if you want to have radius |
| 11:55.40 | nyty | you must have server |
| 11:55.49 | nyty | and better acesspoint |
| 11:55.54 | nyty | such as cisco etc |
| 11:56.02 | Victor_ | http://www.fourmigration.com/link.php?pid=15&cont=5 |
| 11:56.04 | nyty | because cheaper acesspoints are slow |
| 11:56.05 | Trevelyan | hi, apt seems to be unable to find source for gcc-4.1 (get source for gcc-4.0 fine) is there something up in the archive? |
| 11:56.09 | nyty | to generate alghorytms |
| 11:56.23 | nyty | 4.1? |
| 11:56.28 | nyty | stable/testing/unstable ? |
| 11:56.37 | nyty | yes it`s great |
| 11:56.44 | nyty | but radius is better :P |
| 11:56.49 | Trevelyan | testing, and i just tried with unstable sources added |
| 11:56.56 | nyty | gcc-4.1 - The GNU C compiler |
| 11:57.08 | nyty | hmm |
| 11:57.16 | nyty | get source manually |
| 11:57.21 | Trevelyan | i can apt-get install gcc-4.1, but i can't apt-get source gcc-4.1 |
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| 11:57.51 | nyty | get source manually |
| 11:57.52 | nyty | from gcc web |
| 11:58.11 | haggz | threw: you might want to look in the iceweasel bug reports and see if anyone else has experienced any errors like this, or involving the library it says it cant find as a normal user account |
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| 11:58.40 | nyty | i know small iceweasel bug |
| 11:58.45 | nyty | if you open more windows in iceweasel |
| 11:58.45 | Trevelyan | it's a script that wants it (builds a cross compile env) i'll have to try to edit it, oh well |
| 11:58.49 | nyty | they will be down in one |
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| 11:59.02 | nyty | but not as iceweasel, but as firefox :-) |
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| 11:59.35 | dorel__ | is it possible from grub to list files in the boot partition? |
| 11:59.41 | |mols| | û |
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| 12:00.53 | dorel__ | list the files in the /boot partition |
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| 12:01.15 | dorel__ | it is possible to cat a file or use find to locate FILENAME but is it possible to list all files? |
| 12:01.24 | dorel__ | I tried wildcards with find but I don't think that works. |
| 12:01.48 | tarzeau | dorel__: need to quote it right. can you paste your command? |
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| 12:02.05 | dorel__ | ahh I see |
| 12:02.13 | dorel__ | tarzeau: I tried find *.* |
| 12:02.18 | dorel__ | tarzeau: I'll try quoting it. |
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| 12:02.37 | tarzeau | dorel__: and *.* is probably not what you want. forget that *.* dos stuff |
| 12:02.40 | AbuSami | hi all |
| 12:03.24 | tarzeau | nyty: i also know one, when you open http://sam.zoy.org/zzuf/lol-firefox.gif it crashes |
| 12:03.30 | AbuSami | I need help , any one ? |
| 12:03.38 | nyty | it works :-) |
| 12:03.48 | cusco | just ask AbuSami |
| 12:04.01 | AbuSami | thanks cusco |
| 12:04.01 | nyty | but in epiphany |
| 12:04.34 | tarzeau | nyty: works also in xlinks2 |
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| 12:04.44 | AbuSami | the problem is that , I need the system to see the Arabic languge easily |
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| 12:05.03 | tarzeau | AbuSami: do you know #arabeyes ? |
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| 12:05.24 | suppaman | xingu: now it works |
| 12:05.40 | AbuSami | I will join it tarzeau |
| 12:05.40 | suppaman | xingu: i'm usign " enc open key 1F34BC6D" |
| 12:05.45 | suppaman | just to let you know |
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| 12:06.46 | apalmieri | does debian block block traffic by default? |
| 12:06.55 | xand | what's "block traffic"? |
| 12:07.10 | tarzeau | apalmieri: no it doesn't |
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| 12:07.37 | nyty | ;] |
| 12:07.43 | AbuSami | cusco, I face problem in defining the languge |
| 12:07.44 | tarzeau | how many more months will the freeze last? |
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| 12:08.17 | sepski | tarzeau, until it's released |
| 12:08.37 | apalmieri | im running 3.1 with a 2.4 kernel, should i upgrade or im just fine? |
| 12:08.58 | sepski | apalmieri, does your box meet your requirements ? |
| 12:09.05 | sepski | if yes, then your fine. |
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| 12:09.31 | apalmieri | ok good |
| 12:09.36 | ewanm89 | H3ll0 |
| 12:09.41 | apalmieri | is anybody running flowscan here? |
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| 12:09.59 | tarzeau | !poll apalmieri |
| 12:10.07 | tarzeau | !poll |
| 12:10.08 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 12:10.31 | apalmieri | flowscan is not graphing my NetFlow services. |
| 12:10.46 | tarzeau | apalmieri: errormsg? |
| 12:11.28 | apalmieri | no errormsg |
| 12:11.42 | tarzeau | apalmieri: any message? |
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| 12:12.12 | apalmieri | brb. |
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| 12:13.47 | tarzeau | abrotman: tried elephant yet? it's a python game |
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| 12:15.07 | AbuSami | tarzeau, no one can help me in arabeyes |
| 12:15.33 | AbuSami | in general, how can you define another language |
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| 12:20.17 | sidjster | abu what arte you talking about? |
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| 12:35.39 | cosmodad | can someone tell me what the -nomodversion of my 2.4.27 kernel means? |
| 12:37.12 | hark | AbuSami: dpkg-reconfigure locales ; logout and login |
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| 12:40.58 | threw | what mean "read(4, 0xbfa395b4, 32) " in a strace -f output please ? |
| 12:41.36 | sidjster | !start os war |
| 12:41.59 | tarzeau | cosmodad: probably to not version modules? |
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| 12:42.33 | cosmodad | tarzeau: what does that mean? |
| 12:42.50 | hark | threw: man 2 read ? |
| 12:43.48 | tarzeau | cosmodad: it's meant for modprobe/insmod load the module even if the version of your kernel is not of the same as your module |
| 12:43.52 | tarzeau | cosmodad: or something like that |
| 12:44.07 | cosmodad | tarzeau: oh ok, I know what you mean |
| 12:44.34 | threw | hark, arf yes :) |
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| 12:45.19 | digooo | algum br ai ? |
| 12:45.20 | threw | haggz, arf. you will never think why firefox wouldnt run. i adnt nomore free space on my user's partition. |
| 12:45.39 | haggz | threw: aha! |
| 12:45.46 | tarzeau | threw: happens with most software |
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| 12:46.25 | ewanm89 | threw: It couldn't modify the history, cookies... |
| 12:47.23 | threw | ewanm89, yeah thats why all those "(Resource temporarily unavailable)" ? |
| 12:47.26 | User_FriendlY | !help |
| 12:47.43 | threw | !google |
| 12:47.44 | dpkg | hmm... google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. It's website can be found at http://www.google.com |
| 12:47.58 | xand | "Its" |
| 12:48.26 | xand | User_FriendlY: yes? |
| 12:48.48 | User_FriendlY | xand: yes what? |
| 12:48.52 | damn | should be: It's a |
| 12:49.02 | xand | no what? |
| 12:49.34 | User_FriendlY | xand: did you get messaged by dpkg? :) |
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| 12:50.09 | ribnitz | heyas. |
| 12:51.49 | threw | i dont know any "good" software to know infomations about partition under console (especially how much free space i have). does anyone have one please ? |
| 12:51.58 | xand | df -h |
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| 12:52.51 | User_FriendlY | threw: also "du" |
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| 12:55.39 | haggz | threw: I like partimage and parted to backup and alter partitions |
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| 12:57.22 | threw | xand, thanks its perfect :=) User_FriendlY du seems weird |
| 12:57.46 | threw | haggz, yeah those software are good for this kind of job :) |
| 12:57.52 | xand | du is for sizes of directories |
| 12:57.57 | User_FriendlY | threw: its for dirs |
| 12:57.59 | threw | ah ok |
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| 12:58.28 | User_FriendlY | if you do 'du' on root it will look weird :) |
| 12:58.41 | threw | yeah it is ;) |
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| 12:59.04 | User_FriendlY | try: du --max-depth=0 it your home dir for example |
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| 13:00.32 | threw | ah yeah kinda cool tool too. does it exist any way to set the unit (Mb/Gb/Kb) with it please ? |
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| 13:00.42 | User_FriendlY | -h |
| 13:00.42 | Dewi | threw: -h = human readable |
| 13:00.53 | User_FriendlY | try the man page ;) |
| 13:01.10 | threw | ah yeah ok |
| 13:01.17 | threw | User_FriendlY, i know im lazy oO |
| 13:02.05 | User_FriendlY | threw: lol you should become a sys admin then :) |
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| 13:03.01 | threw | User_FriendlY, im still a student :-p |
| 13:03.09 | haggz | this talk of partions reminds me I should make an image of the Sid partition I'm in now, since it's actually mostly non-broken and beryl is working. |
| 13:03.23 | User_FriendlY | threw: Computer Science? |
| 13:03.51 | ewanm89 | threw: I'm still on A-levels |
| 13:03.52 | User_FriendlY | sid was unstable right? |
| 13:04.03 | ewanm89 | User_FriendlY: Yes |
| 13:04.28 | haggz | user_friendly: yeah |
| 13:04.41 | xand | s/was/is/ |
| 13:04.43 | threw | User_FriendlY, no still in ... heuh... "1ere S": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lycee#Lyc.C3.A9e_g.C3.A9n.C3.A9ral_.26_technologique |
| 13:04.44 | User_FriendlY | ewanm89, haggz: ok :) |
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| 13:05.04 | threw | ewanm89, what mean A level ? |
| 13:05.26 | haggz | xand: s/was/was-is-will-be/ :) |
| 13:05.37 | ewanm89 | threw: Before exams University in the UK |
| 13:05.59 | threw | ewanm89, yeah so wehave the same school level :) |
| 13:06.04 | threw | but me in france |
| 13:06.41 | User_FriendlY | is someone on experimental here? :) |
| 13:06.47 | ewanm89 | threw: I hope to be doing computer science at Uni next year |
| 13:07.06 | ewanm89 | User_FriendlY: Why |
| 13:07.36 | ole | how can I allow a particular user to bind sockets to privileged ports? |
| 13:07.38 | User_FriendlY | i was wondering does it have alot of bugs... |
| 13:08.00 | smiler | ole: allowing them to start the apps via sudo |
| 13:08.13 | threw | ewanm89, no im hesitating between computer science and mathematics |
| 13:08.19 | smiler | ole: or maybe using SELinux + ACLs but I ain't sure |
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| 13:09.18 | haggz | User_Friendly: Sid has quite a few bugs, and it is more stable than the experimental packages, at least in theory, I use some external compiled from source stuff as it is released but not the experimental repos in particular. |
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| 13:10.07 | threw | haggz, User_FriendlY im using experimental package and i rarely experience bug whith them |
| 13:10.13 | cusco | dudes, I just set up a copy of dpkg(bot) (from svn) with his factoids db |
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| 13:10.27 | cusco | but it doesn't reply in public, only in private |
| 13:10.30 | User_FriendlY | haggz: i see... i was about to install experimental, but went for sid instead :) |
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| 13:10.48 | User_FriendlY | threw: are you a software developer? |
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| 13:11.38 | threw | User_FriendlY, no im just programming a bit in C/C++ |
| 13:11.44 | Trewas | User_FriendlY: you can't run experimental, it's not a complete distro, there are only packages which are too risky for unstable |
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| 13:11.51 | User_FriendlY | threw: ah i see, me too :) |
| 13:11.51 | threw | i just program* |
| 13:12.04 | threw | :) |
| 13:12.18 | threw | but now, making my physics cheat oO |
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| 13:13.37 | User_FriendlY | Trewas: oh, i see... thanks |
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| 13:14.15 | amee2k | i have a device mounted as /mnt and one as /mnt/var. now there are still some files in /var on the device mounted as /mnt. how can i delete these files without having to unmount the other device mounted on /mnt/var? |
| 13:14.20 | haggz | threw: I don't have too many crashes or bad glitches, but things like out of date documentation, or security holes in new features still count as bugs. I don't put any personal or professional information in Sid, although I do trust it to Etch now that it gets official security patches. |
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| 13:16.12 | User_FriendlY | amee2k: perhaps you can use chmod!? |
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| 13:16.57 | threw | haggz, yes me too. i think my computer is and has been hacked several time because of security bug because of this but it doesnt matter |
| 13:17.13 | amee2k | hm...how would that help? |
| 13:17.19 | jelly-home | amee2k: they're hidden under the /mnt/var mount point? No way. |
| 13:17.31 | amee2k | hm... :( |
| 13:18.14 | User_FriendlY | amee2k: well chmod a-w /mnt/var |
| 13:18.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if there are anu GNU/Linux clients for NASA World Wind? |
| 13:18.45 | User_FriendlY | and make rm -R |
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| 13:18.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | (Other than marble, it crashes too much) |
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| 13:19.06 | jelly-home | User_FriendlY: hm, your suggestion does not make any sense |
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| 13:20.02 | User_FriendlY | jelly-home: hhmm ok... |
| 13:20.07 | amee2k | User_FriendlY: not exactly. what i want to delete is the data on the /mnt partition that is hidden under the point point of /mnt/var. so when i rm -r /mnt/var i wipe the wrong partition |
| 13:20.38 | jetscreamer | just unmount it, remove, then remount? |
| 13:20.59 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: but the question was ... "without having to unmount the other device mounted on /mnt/var" |
| 13:21.05 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 13:21.05 | amee2k | i can't unmount it when it is in use, si i'd have to take the whole box offline and use a live CD |
| 13:21.13 | User_FriendlY | amee2k: oh now i see what you mean.... :) |
| 13:21.26 | jetscreamer | i was gonna say 'livecd' but maybe a l337 script |
| 13:21.42 | jetscreamer | umount blah && rm blah && mount blah ? |
| 13:21.46 | jelly-home | amee2k: not really, single user mode should suffice |
| 13:21.47 | amee2k | i was hoping there was some way to chroot into the hidden part of the FS or mount -bind it to some other location |
| 13:22.02 | jetscreamer | hexedit! |
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| 13:22.10 | jetscreamer | j/k, but it would function |
| 13:22.12 | amee2k | jelly-home: still, i'd need to take the box offline for that time |
| 13:22.14 | jelly-home | amee2k: nah, you should have mount --bind before mounting /mnt/var |
| 13:24.45 | User_FriendlY | amee2k: perhaps if you find a program that lists files on a specific partition you can make a bash script... ? |
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| 13:32.01 | jetscreamer | zomg it is stfu'd !!! |
| 13:33.17 | amee2k | hu? |
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| 13:38.54 | eshaase | anyone know of a way to get apt-get to display colored output? |
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| 13:39.04 | jelly-home | eshaase: LSD? |
| 13:39.30 | tarzeau | jelly-home: not as easily to get as to get the source and patch it |
| 13:39.49 | eshaase | jelly-home: haha, cute |
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| 13:39.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. On my network, I have two Debian Etch computers. One has a Brother HL-2030 b/w USB laser printer. Does anyone know how to set that computer up as print server, ans the one that doesn't as client? |
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| 13:41.26 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I'm not fluent in c++ |
| 13:41.48 | tarzeau | jelly-home: why do you think it's c++? |
| 13:41.52 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: probably with cups |
| 13:42.02 | jelly-home | tarzeau: ldd `which apt-get` |
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| 13:42.22 | tarzeau | jelly-home: no |
| 13:42.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: I'm using CUPS on that computer already |
| 13:42.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: But I don't know how to set it up as the network print server |
| 13:42.55 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: http://localhost:631/admin |
| 13:43.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: It's not this computer |
| 13:43.18 | jelly-home | tarzeau: I suppose it might be something else but using stdc++ library for fun and games |
| 13:43.30 | jelly-home | tarzeau: not likely though |
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| 13:44.26 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: edit /etc/cups/cupsd.conf to allow your ip in, then hit that server's ip port 631 on your webbrowser |
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| 13:46.06 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: then tick the option "share published printers connected on this system" |
| 13:46.14 | cusco | then connect to that printer trough IPP |
| 13:46.30 | I-kido | !deborphan |
| 13:46.30 | dpkg | deborphan is a package that will tell you what library packages you have installed that nothing's using. If you want remove all packages use 'deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge', or a nice tool to clean up grown debians. http://tinyurl.com/jukag provides a nice guide to several more steps to reclaim big chunks of hdd. |
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| 13:46.42 | Okita | Hi |
| 13:46.51 | cusco | hi |
| 13:46.55 | x_link | I-kido: Cool =) |
| 13:47.01 | I-kido | :) |
| 13:47.19 | Okita | I'm trying to create .deb packages, hopefully with svn-buildpackage, but the instructions seem to differ wildly from creating a .deb file by hand |
| 13:48.02 | Okita | Don't i need a control file? If so, I don't think it's mentioned in the svn-buildpackage docs |
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| 13:48.32 | tarzeau | Okita: which version of svn-buildpackage do you have? dpkg -l svn-buildpackage ? |
| 13:49.18 | Nicon- | I installed the mysql-sever package and removed it again. purged the /etc/mysql & /var/lib/mysql dirs. reinstalled the package. but it refuses to install the initial configuration nor database. How can I proceed? |
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| 13:50.01 | jetscreamer | did you rm -R it? |
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| 13:50.06 | Nicon- | jetscreamer: yes. |
| 13:50.06 | asg | Nicon-: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:50.38 | jetscreamer | did you apt-get remove --purge is also |
| 13:50.43 | jetscreamer | s/is/it/ |
| 13:50.52 | jetscreamer | or was purging the rm |
| 13:51.29 | Nicon- | jetscreamer: the rm. not --purge |
| 13:51.52 | jetscreamer | try apt-get remove --purge maybe |
| 13:52.02 | jetscreamer | next time at least |
| 13:52.03 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: Done, now how do I get this computer connected to that one? |
| 13:52.20 | jetscreamer | see also what asg said |
| 13:52.27 | Nicon- | jetscreamer: reinstalling it, purging it and reinstalling again. |
| 13:52.44 | Nicon- | asg: tried that long line it recommended w/o result. |
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| 13:53.00 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: install foomatic |
| 13:53.08 | cusco | conect trough IPP |
| 13:53.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 13:53.13 | cusco | from the printing admin menu |
| 13:53.30 | Nicon- | jetscreamer: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server && apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server had no effect. |
| 13:53.36 | Nicon- | jetscreamer: dirs still missing. |
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| 13:54.42 | jetscreamer | Nicon-: if it was me, i might try d/l'ing the packages from pdo and dpkg -i'ing them manually, and playing with --force-something, but i dunno |
| 13:54.43 | asg | Nicon-: you may have to do that not only with mysql-server but also mysql-common as well |
| 13:54.55 | Nicon- | asg: thanks. |
| 13:54.57 | jetscreamer | or, what asg said |
| 13:54.58 | Nicon- | jetscreamer: okay. |
| 13:55.07 | jetscreamer | i'd try asg's method first |
| 13:55.18 | jetscreamer | since he knows more than me :/ |
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| 13:55.31 | lotus-blade | anyone have experiance setting up an intel I830 video card? |
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| 13:55.32 | jetscreamer | !tell `tj` -about root |
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| 13:55.59 | jetscreamer | i've seen ppl cry about that one |
| 13:56.08 | jetscreamer | the i830 |
| 13:56.35 | Thms | http://www.wlm-icons.de/?nr=BUNN-19960 CS CHEATS 4 FREE |
| 13:56.35 | lotus-blade | yes |
| 13:56.39 | cusco | I use the i810 driver |
| 13:56.56 | Nicon- | asg: worked for /etc/mysql/*, though the initial non-root-passworded empty database was not recreated |
| 13:57.02 | lotus-blade | not seeming to work |
| 13:57.04 | cusco | jetscreamer: I supose you use the same driver |
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| 13:57.14 | cusco | jetscreamer: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 13:57.18 | Nicon- | asg: how can I restore these aswell? |
| 13:57.36 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/i810.4.html |
| 13:57.49 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 13:58.03 | cusco | jetscreamer: just like I said the i810 driver |
| 13:58.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: How do I know the IPP device URI? |
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| 13:58.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | cusco: All I know is the IP within the network |
| 13:58.52 | asg | Nicon-: try setting the password again 'mysqladmin -u root password <foo>'. If that doesn't work, it may be worth now trying to apt-get remove --purge mysql-server mysql-common and reinstall |
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| 13:59.00 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: socket://ip.ad.dr.ess:9100 |
| 13:59.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | jelly-home: Thanks |
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| 13:59.35 | Nicon- | asg: can't set the db password. mysqld cannot start because the database is non-existant. |
| 13:59.50 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: something like: ipp://hostname.domain:631/printers/officejet_7140. |
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| 14:00.11 | asg | Nicon-: hmmm, you might try dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-common ; dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server |
| 14:00.18 | Nicon- | asg: thanks. |
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| 14:00.27 | cusco | Dark_Apostrophe: you can also check the printername in the cups admin page |
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| 14:00.35 | asg | Nicon-: if that doesn't work, you might have to look at the postinst scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info to see what they do to create the databases. |
| 14:00.44 | Sithgunner | hi, im trying to add ldap user entries, but how am i supposed to get the next available uid number? should i just ldapsearch and figure out the last entry? |
| 14:00.46 | jelly-home | Dark_Apostrophe: d'oh I've given you the completely different protocol, was thinking of HP's JetDirect, sorry |
| 14:00.55 | Nicon- | asg: imo this process is madly tricky. |
| 14:01.24 | jelly-home | Nicon-: maybe you haven't purged all the relevant packages |
| 14:01.26 | Nicon- | asg: such simple thing as restore package defaults... |
| 14:01.49 | Nicon- | jelly-home: mysql-server & mysql-common for all mysql related server side sounds fairly enough to me? |
| 14:02.16 | asg | Nicon-: it is simple provided you don't contravene package management by deleting things manually :) |
| 14:02.23 | jelly-home | Nicon-: if it includes the real one (mysql-server-5.0 I think), probably |
| 14:02.24 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 14:02.24 | dpkg | dselect is, like, a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
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| 14:02.37 | Nicon- | asg: :) |
| 14:02.45 | Nicon- | jelly-home: yupp. it does |
| 14:02.52 | Nicon- | asg: got it working. thanks. |
| 14:02.53 | jelly-home | asg: nevertheless, a purge/install cycle should reset things to normal |
| 14:03.04 | jetscreamer | if you used the one true package manager you wouldn't have these problems |
| 14:03.05 | asg | Nicon-: did -plow fix it? |
| 14:03.27 | jelly-home | jetscreamer: yum? |
| 14:03.31 | asg | jelly-home: indeed |
| 14:03.35 | jetscreamer | :)\ |
| 14:03.40 | jetscreamer | err :) |
| 14:03.47 | Nicon- | asg: didn't get there. --purged everything and had to reinstall amarok etc on the way which was dependant on the -common |
| 14:03.58 | jetscreamer | apt-get for rpm baby |
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| 14:04.33 | asg | Nicon-: ah, fair enough |
| 14:04.38 | jetscreamer | ahhhhh! so that's why dselect didn't work under suse |
| 14:04.44 | jetscreamer | i didn't do option 0 |
| 14:04.51 | |ewanm89| | jetscreamer: how did you do your jetscreamer has used it message |
| 14:05.05 | jelly-home | |ewanm89|: /me does things |
| 14:05.15 | Dewi | jetscreamer: aptitude! |
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| 14:06.36 | jelly-home | Dewi: aptitude is a buggy and inconsisent bugger |
| 14:07.08 | jetscreamer | |ewanm89|: /me |
| 14:07.37 | Dewi | jelly-home: I find it more communicative and at least as predictable as dselect... funny how both sides say the same thing about the other tool |
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| 14:08.03 | |ewanm89| | Thanx |
| 14:08.54 | jelly-home | Dewi: Oh, I've given up on dselect a long time ago |
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| 14:09.39 | jetscreamer | wuss! |
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| 14:10.08 | jetscreamer | all it needs is a collapsible tree for the package selection |
| 14:10.20 | jetscreamer | but instead they reinvented the wheel |
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| 14:10.51 | jetscreamer | i don't like finding kde packages not in the kde section though |
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| 14:12.04 | wereHamster | does debian require -fPIC even for x86 shared libs? |
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| 14:14.24 | sidjster | i cant figure this out its been weeks X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 14:14.39 | jelly-home | wereHamster: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html |
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| 14:15.30 | jelly-home | wereHamster: basically, yes |
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| 14:16.24 | ma3x | wtf does this mean? |
| 14:16.27 | ma3x | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 14:16.27 | ma3x | eth0: Transmit timed out, status 0x000000, resetting... |
| 14:16.27 | ma3x | eth0: DSPCFG accepted after 0 usec. |
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| 14:18.19 | lotus-blade | no video bios modes found for chosen color depth on i830 |
| 14:18.45 | lotus-blade | no video bios modes found for chosen color depth on i810(0) |
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| 14:19.13 | clownfish | what color depth you chose? |
| 14:19.16 | jelly-home | ma3x: flaky driver and/or hardware, I had such messages on 3com cards in 2.2 kernels. ;-) Which card is it? |
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| 14:19.35 | lotus-blade | I have tried 8 16 and 24 |
| 14:19.54 | ma3x | jelly-home: natsemi |
| 14:20.26 | clownfish | lotus-blade: no idea whats wrong. |
| 14:20.28 | jelly-home | ma3x: no clue about that one |
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| 14:20.33 | AbuSami | hi all |
| 14:20.46 | ma3x | jelly-home: but what does it mean? what's watchdog |
| 14:21.14 | clownfish | you could buy an nVidia Riva TNT 2, works really well with linux, and its cheap |
| 14:21.41 | AbuSami | how can I change the resolution of some application ? |
| 14:22.01 | AbuSami | I installed gambas2, but its too large |
| 14:22.13 | AbuSami | I can't see any bar |
| 14:22.20 | jelly-home | ma3x: watchdog, in general, is a monitoring service that takes a look if everything's working correctly in regular intervals, and does an action if something misbehaves |
| 14:22.26 | AbuSami | what can I do ? |
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| 14:23.18 | jelly-home | ma3x: in this case, the "NETDEV WATCHDOG" detected your device has gone to lunch, and told the driver to reset it |
| 14:23.21 | sprink_ | Any idea why none of the north american eastern timezones have the correct local time when I live in florida.. |
| 14:23.24 | wereHamster | jelly-home, I've read -fPIC gives up to 20% worse performance on x86 (bause it uses une register, of which x86 has very few) |
| 14:23.45 | jelly-home | wereHamster: that might be correct. |
| 14:24.59 | jelly-home | wereHamster: I suppose you could recompile the whole distro without -fPIC and provide some benchmarks |
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| 14:25.34 | sprink_ | Anyone? |
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| 14:26.10 | ranphatje | Question does anybody know the default package Samba installs with a clean debian system? |
| 14:26.56 | sprink_ | This is freakin annoying |
| 14:26.58 | jelly-home | ranphatje: what's a clean debian system? base? Samba doesn't come in the base installation. |
| 14:27.03 | sepski | ranphatje, i think that's garanteed |
| 14:27.13 | ranphatje | yeah i mean base system |
| 14:27.36 | |ewanm89| | sprink_: are you using a local time in the firmware clock |
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| 14:27.56 | ranphatje | I installed samba on a base system but something screwed things up and i want to reinstall ever package apt-get installs in a base system |
| 14:28.07 | sepski | !reisntall |
| 14:28.10 | sprink_ | |ewanm89|: uhhh.. I have no idea but all of the eastern time zones are off by 4 hours from the real eastern times |
| 14:28.12 | sepski | !reinstall |
| 14:28.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 14:28.32 | dromer | hi, I have an ancient toshiba laptop (T4900CT) and I found this guide using debian woody for the install. are there floppies available for newer versions as well? http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/t4900b.html |
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| 14:29.01 | sprink_ | |ewanm89|: how can I check? via bios? |
| 14:29.05 | sepski | dromer, http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 14:29.43 | dromer | sepski: ok thnx, and how do I go about making these floppies? |
| 14:30.20 | |ewanm89| | sprink_: Yes also their is a setting in debian to tell it whether you are using local time or GMT |
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| 14:31.09 | jelly-home | sprink_: |ewanm89| is referring to UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 14:32.13 | |ewanm89| | Also make sure you are using the right timezone. Can debian update the rtc if he uses ntp. |
| 14:32.15 | sprink_ | ohhh |
| 14:32.19 | sprink_ | UTC=yes |
| 14:32.25 | Bhaal | I seem to be having a problem copying files from my linux workstation to my file server via samba... cpu load goes through the roof and the transfer is really really slow.. smbiod is whats creating the load, copying FROM the file server is fine though, anyone know what the cause of this might be? |
| 14:32.54 | jelly-home | sprink_: if you have/had Windows on that machine, UTC=no is more correct |
| 14:33.07 | sprink_ | haha. okay :) |
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| 14:33.31 | |ewanm89| | sprink_: Then restart. |
| 14:33.33 | jelly-home | sprink_: for a Linux only machine it's better to use UTC for hardware clock |
| 14:34.07 | sprink_ | got ya. cool |
| 14:34.14 | sprink_ | thanks |ewanm89| , jelly-home |
| 14:34.44 | sprink_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.49 | sprink_ | bye bye 11 day uptime :( |
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| 14:35.33 | dromer | sepski: can you explain how to make these floppies? |
| 14:35.35 | jelly-home | |ewanm89|: I wouldn't be so sure... they do fix their annoyances. For example, I hear Vista finally has reasonable DPI settings |
| 14:35.44 | |ewanm89| | sprink_: You could just killall then rerun init but restart easier |
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| 14:36.05 | sprink_ | wait. any way to avoid restart? |
| 14:36.14 | sprink_ | and still fix it |
| 14:36.24 | sprink_ | after changing utc=no |
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| 14:37.21 | |ewanm89| | sprink_: Not easily you will still lose the uptime as you need to kill all processes and then rerun init |
| 14:37.26 | jelly-home | sprink_: possibly running hwclock --systohc after you manually correct the system clock |
| 14:37.51 | jelly-home | sprink_: or use ntpdate instead of the manual correction if you're online |
| 14:38.15 | jelly-home | |ewanm89|: wtf would he have to rerun init? |
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| 14:40.09 | sprink_ | hmm. I'll just restart. Thanks again |
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| 14:40.55 | Okita | tarzeau: I have 0.6.14 of svn-buildpackage |
| 14:42.07 | Gnea | ntp is great, but everytime my system gets shutdown or rebooted, the hardware clock somehow gets set ahead a year and it throws off the time for fscking. has anyone else experienced this? i did some searching on util-linux and found a couple of reports but nothing substantial |
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| 14:42.52 | jelly-home | Gnea: does bios report correct time or a misyear? |
| 14:43.06 | dendrite | Gnea: And hwclock normally reports correct time? |
| 14:43.42 | tralala | Gnea, ntp doesn't set the hwclock - you have to set it yourself after ntp is done with hwclock -w |
| 14:44.01 | tralala | this has always worked for me |
| 14:44.19 | defcon8 | anyone know how to get skype working on amd64 debian? |
| 14:44.42 | Okita | tarzeau: Does it make a differnce which version I have? |
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| 14:45.36 | Gnea | from what i've been able to deduce, if i reboot or recover from a hardlock, the bios reports the time as one year ahead (2008) consistantly. while i have ntp set to run now and then, the only evidence of the hardware clock recieving a skew would be from /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh and /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh by first grabbing the time for the system from there, and for some unknown reason, setting another time with --badyear TO the hardware clock |
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| 14:45.58 | Gnea | tralala: yeah, i know how the whole time thing works :) |
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| 14:46.41 | Okita | So is svn-buildpackage not do what I think it does? Automatically make .deb files from your source tree? |
| 14:46.47 | tralala | Gnea, there must be something very wrong with your bios/mobo/hwclock |
| 14:47.26 | Gnea | tralala: what i want to know is, why would an initscript be using --badyear if the mobo/bios is under 4 years old? |
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| 14:48.41 | tarzeau | Okita: it could. what command do you use exactly? |
| 14:49.03 | tralala | Gnea, are you saying that the bios time is okay but when you boot the initscript messes it up? |
| 14:49.13 | Gnea | tralala: yes. |
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| 14:49.22 | tralala | ouch |
| 14:49.26 | tralala | is that sid? |
| 14:49.27 | Gnea | yeah |
| 14:49.31 | Gnea | yup |
| 14:49.52 | tralala | bugreport time! |
| 14:50.04 | Gnea | again. |
| 14:50.22 | defcon8 | anyone? |
| 14:50.23 | tralala | with sid it bugreport time all the time ;) |
| 14:50.28 | tralala | it's |
| 14:50.45 | tralala | defcon8, with 32bit chroot |
| 14:51.00 | tralala | as explained in the amd64 howto |
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| 14:51.28 | defcon8 | ahh okay thanks |
| 14:53.05 | Gnea | !dbugs 345485 |
| 14:53.08 | dpkg | #345485:N[util-linux] hwclock scripts don't support adjust time; Sat, 31 Dec 2005 22:48:06 UTC |
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| 14:53.29 | ranphatje | Guys, i running debian of 266 mhx Arm cpu. With no display. I want to install a Edonkey, torrent and Dcc/Xdcc downloader. What software should i go for. I was thinking amule with webguii and maybe rtorrent (but does this has a webgui?) also the same with the irc chat is there one that has a webgui? |
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| 14:54.19 | Okita | tarzeau: I've never made a .deb before, I'm just trying to figure out if I should just configure it for svn-buildpackages to make releases easy |
| 14:54.31 | dendrite | ranphatje: Another option is to run X across the network. You running debianslug? |
| 14:54.55 | Okita | tarzeau: What I've read about a control file specifying dependencies makes sense... But I don't know where that fits into svn-buildupdates |
| 14:54.59 | dendrite | ranphatje: X might be a bit much for the little fella... |
| 14:55.19 | tarzeau | Okita: really i know making debian packages, but i have no idea about svn |
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| 14:55.42 | ranphatje | Yeah with the slug...and it's way to much..installing of X alone takes 24 houres :-)...cancelled it way to much there fore the webgui |
| 14:55.47 | tralala | !dbugs 358866 |
| 14:55.50 | dpkg | #358866:I[mypasswordsafe] mypasswordsafe: Hangs when reading .dat file; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:18:04 UTC |
| 14:55.51 | sidjster | i just put my socks in the microwave holy cow is that better |
| 14:56.01 | tralala | this is how I locked myself out of my gmail account |
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| 14:57.15 | Gnea | oooh here we go |
| 14:57.21 | Gnea | finally got the system to come up.... |
| 14:57.30 | Gnea | ÀÄ[~ ¯ date |
| 14:57.30 | Gnea | Sun Feb 18 07:56:57 MST 2007 |
| 14:57.37 | Gnea | that looks good, right? now watch this... |
| 14:57.43 | Gnea | teletrantwo:/home/gnea# hwclock |
| 14:57.44 | Okita | tarzeau: Ok, I think I'll do the first few releases by hand, and then figure out if I can integrate svn later |
| 14:57.44 | Gnea | Tue 20 Apr 2004 02:27:09 PM MST -0.966087 seconds |
| 14:57.46 | Okita | Thanks though |
| 14:57.50 | Gnea | this time it jumped BACK a few years |
| 14:58.05 | sidjster | bad mobo battyery |
| 14:58.26 | Gnea | yeah right, i think it's /etc/adjtime |
| 14:59.32 | sidjster | what time does your biops report? |
| 14:59.35 | sidjster | bios |
| 14:59.56 | Gnea | i suppose i could try to lcoate a battery |
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| 15:00.18 | apalmieri | running apt-get i accidentally told it to remove the running kernel |
| 15:00.23 | apalmieri | how do i fix this? |
| 15:00.25 | sidjster | hahahahaha |
| 15:00.30 | Gnea | reinstall it |
| 15:00.37 | Nicon- | :] |
| 15:00.47 | sidjster | did it remove it? |
| 15:00.54 | Nicon- | sidjster: it'll warn you |
| 15:00.57 | apalmieri | i assume so |
| 15:00.58 | Nicon- | but proceed if you say yes. |
| 15:01.00 | apalmieri | how do i tell? |
| 15:01.04 | Gnea | !assume |
| 15:01.04 | dpkg | [assume] the mother of all mistakes and (ASS - U - ME): makes an ass of you and makes an ass of me |
| 15:01.09 | Nicon- | apalmieri: check /boot/ |
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| 15:01.23 | apalmieri | i only have /boot/grub |
| 15:01.31 | Nicon- | then your kernel is probably gone :) |
| 15:01.33 | tralala | apalmieri, the running kernel is not removed that easily. You will be asked for confirmation with a BIG FAT WARNING. |
| 15:01.35 | sidjster | hhahahaha |
| 15:01.47 | apalmieri | tralala: i accidentaly hit enter i told you "accidentally" |
| 15:01.53 | apalmieri | :( |
| 15:01.57 | Gnea | apalmieri: did it give you a warning? |
| 15:02.05 | apalmieri | Gnea: yes, i was supposed to hit "n" |
| 15:02.09 | Gnea | apalmieri: if you explicitly hit enter, then it wasn't an accident. |
| 15:02.13 | apalmieri | ok |
| 15:02.15 | apalmieri | i know i fucked up. |
| 15:02.18 | tralala | apalmieri, you must accidentally typ e"yes" and hit enter to remove it |
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| 15:02.23 | apalmieri | ok |
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| 15:02.24 | apalmieri | np |
| 15:02.24 | sidjster | you have to have your eyes poked ouyt to remove your running kernel with apt-get |
| 15:02.39 | Gnea | apalmieri: can you take a screnshot of it? |
| 15:02.46 | apalmieri | ill reinstall debian |
| 15:02.48 | apalmieri | im just new to this. |
| 15:02.56 | apalmieri | i thought there was to fix it. |
| 15:03.01 | sepski | apalmieri, can't you just reinstall the kernel package? |
| 15:03.01 | sidjster | you dont have to reinstall debian |
| 15:03.15 | Gnea | apalmieri: again, why don't you simply reinstall the kernel? |
| 15:03.29 | apalmieri | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 |
| 15:03.32 | apalmieri | that should if it? |
| 15:03.44 | Gnea | they still make that version? |
| 15:03.46 | Gnea | that's mad old |
| 15:03.49 | sepski | apalmieri, why 2.6.5 ? |
| 15:03.54 | Gnea | what branch are you running? |
| 15:03.59 | Gnea | !branch |
| 15:03.59 | dpkg | branch is probably what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
| 15:03.59 | sepski | jsut use apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:04.04 | apalmieri | netflow:/boot/grub# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:04.04 | apalmieri | 4.0 |
| 15:04.05 | Dewi | apalmieri: the new ones are called linux-image-* |
| 15:04.06 | apalmieri | Debian 4.0 |
| 15:04.16 | Dewi | apalmieri: have a look under that |
| 15:04.16 | dendrite | apalmieri: uname -a will tell you what kernel is running. |
| 15:04.19 | apalmieri | i guess i should g okernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:04.25 | apalmieri | Linux netflow 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:04.25 | Gnea | apalmieri: so is it etch or sid? |
| 15:04.27 | Dewi | apalmieri: no, linux-image |
| 15:04.31 | apalmieri | SARGE. |
| 15:04.35 | Dewi | apalmieri: kernel-image is deprecated |
| 15:04.37 | tralala | apalmieri, sarge is 3.1 |
| 15:04.38 | Dewi | apalmieri: sarge is not 4.0 |
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| 15:04.43 | sepski | apalmieri, install linux-image-2.6-686, it will use the latest available. |
| 15:04.46 | Gnea | apalmieri: you are a troll. get out. |
| 15:05.01 | apalmieri | apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:05.02 | apalmieri | right? |
| 15:05.08 | sepski | yes |
| 15:05.12 | Dewi | apalmieri: sounds good |
| 15:05.16 | apalmieri | its comming. |
| 15:05.28 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 15:05.28 | dendrite | apalmieri: Are you dist-upgrading from sarge to etch? |
| 15:05.28 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 15:05.29 | apalmieri | thanks a lot, sorry bout the vast ignorance. |
| 15:05.40 | apalmieri | dendrite: i think i did a few minutes ago when i ran dist-upgrade. |
| 15:05.41 | valdyn | apalmieri: that adds a kernel transition to what you're doing, more risky, nice if it works |
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| 15:05.54 | tralala | Gnea, did your hwclock tell you it's sunday? ;) |
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| 15:06.03 | mfi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.04 | mfi_ | 10:01 <apalmieri> right? |
| 15:06.05 | mfi_ | 10:01 [I] Signoff: VImtermuapt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:06.06 | mfi_ | 10:01 <apalmieri> right? |
| 15:06.17 | apalmieri | sepski: that wont break it? |
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| 15:06.20 | mfi_ | sorry, my freacking mousee.... |
| 15:06.21 | dendrite | apalmieri: Ah. I have heard of that upgrading causing this issue. I think it's a real problem, but nobody has really faced it. |
| 15:06.27 | dromer | hi, I'm trying to change tho boot-sequence for my ancient toshiba laptop, but I'm not getting into the bios, anyone know how I could? (it's definatly not del) |
| 15:06.28 | sepski | apalmieri, you broke it when you removed the kernel |
| 15:06.35 | apalmieri | sepski: ok |
| 15:06.35 | Gnea | apalmieri: FYI, i'm running sarge and my /etc/debian_version reports 3.1, so there is no way that you are running sarge. :) |
| 15:06.39 | sepski | apalmieri, this is a effort to fix it :9 |
| 15:06.39 | VImtermute | mfi_, ya, VImtermuapt-get |
| 15:06.44 | VImtermute | that's what i use :) |
| 15:06.45 | apalmieri | ok |
| 15:06.48 | apalmieri | well see how it goes. |
| 15:06.55 | mfi_ | hehe |
| 15:07.05 | sepski | apalmieri, and you should take a look at your sources.list and make sure they are somewhat sane |
| 15:07.20 | apalmieri | its comming from "main" |
| 15:07.34 | Gnea | there's nothing quite like someone who responds right away with an answer that is or isn't correct in a vain attempt to make themselves look smart. |
| 15:07.37 | apalmieri | after the apt-get install a simply reboot should tell wether it worked or not right? |
| 15:07.46 | Gnea | anyway, it's bed time |
| 15:07.47 | apalmieri | the apt-get will automagically update my grub and such? |
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| 15:09.45 | ma3x | if I have a file 50 MBytes, how do I cut the last 10 MBytes out of it, so that I can have 40 MBytes file |
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| 15:10.50 | tarzeau | ma3x: using dd? |
| 15:11.00 | ma3x | tarzeau: the exact command? |
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| 15:11.57 | tarzeau | ma3x: can't remember, but there's also a c function to cut some part off of a file |
| 15:12.33 | Trewas | head(1) also works, head -c 40m somefile>someotherfile |
| 15:12.54 | ma3x | I hate my dvd drive |
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| 15:13.07 | ma3x | when it heats , it can't read, it loops only |
| 15:13.10 | apalmieri | Linux netflow 2.6.18-4-686 #1 SMP Fri Feb 2 15:10:49 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:13.12 | apalmieri | that worked |
| 15:13.22 | ma3x | hey u got the newest kernel |
| 15:13.23 | ma3x | cool |
| 15:13.32 | tarzeau | ma3x: which manufacturer? |
| 15:13.46 | tarzeau | ma3x: maybe it can be placed different in the case to be better cooled? |
| 15:13.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: the newest debian kernel only... |
| 15:14.00 | apalmieri | yes |
| 15:14.04 | apalmieri | that magically worked. |
| 15:14.06 | ma3x | tarzeau: it's in my laptop, it can't be placed different |
| 15:14.07 | apalmieri | thanks stanski |
| 15:14.07 | ma3x | sony |
| 15:14.23 | sidjster | insnt that sid? |
| 15:14.24 | ma3x | laptop's HP but cd/dvd drive is sony |
| 15:14.43 | ma3x | tarzeau: which one's the newest right now? 2,6,18-4? |
| 15:14.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: 2.6.20 |
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| 15:15.15 | ma3x | tarzeau: it's not available for sid |
| 15:15.24 | tarzeau | ma3x: well yes, but not from debian |
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| 15:20.30 | nura | hi i need help on upgrading my graphics in debian based linux |
| 15:20.41 | fireba11 | ? |
| 15:20.57 | nura | abrotman: hi how are you |
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| 15:22.28 | Azar | tarzeau! :) |
| 15:22.36 | tarzeau | Azar! how are you? |
| 15:22.36 | dpkg | tarzeau: mas o menos |
| 15:22.57 | Azar | tarzeau: great, about to go to work |
| 15:23.02 | ranphatje | What is a good webgui based torrent downloader? |
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| 15:23.06 | tarzeau | Azar: it's sunday? |
| 15:23.37 | Azar | yep I work on weekends too |
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| 15:23.49 | Azar | tarzeau: something for you http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/When_it_0x27_s_Done.aspx |
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| 15:25.25 | cr3 | is there a way for grub to mount an iso9660 filesystem from which to boot? the reason is that I dd'ed an iso to /dev/hda1 and I'd like to boot from it |
| 15:25.48 | tarzeau | Azar: funny |
| 15:25.59 | Azar | half year hahaha |
| 15:26.03 | tarzeau | cr3: if you find one, tell me, i'm interested too |
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| 15:26.44 | asg | cr3: it might work if you dd it to the raw device |
| 15:26.58 | asg | tarzeau: I've done that on sparcs when installing OpenBSD |
| 15:27.12 | tarzeau | asg: but there you don't have grub? |
| 15:27.27 | tarzeau | asg: the obp is different. and silo is different too |
| 15:27.33 | asg | tarzeau: true |
| 15:27.44 | tarzeau | asg: and solaris cds aren't iso9660 either |
| 15:27.58 | tarzeau | not sure about the debian sparc cds... |
| 15:28.00 | cr3 | asg: I still have debian on /dev/hda2, which is where I'm actually modifying the grub configuration. so, I want to be able to boot from /dev/hda1 where I dd'ed an iso9660 image and from /dev/hda2 where I have my operating system. |
| 15:28.26 | asg | cr3: yeah, I don't know if that'll work. |
| 15:29.39 | cr3 | asg: if I can't get grub to read iso9660, I could probably mke2fs /dev/hda1 and then cp -a the content of the iso image :( |
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| 15:32.52 | asg | cr3: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 15:32.53 | dromer | damnit, I'm trying to boot from these floppies: http://www.linux.com/howtos/IBM7248-HOWTO/floppies.shtml but my toshiba t4900ct doesn't get the floppy and instead skips to the win95 install that's present on the hdd |
| 15:32.56 | dromer | the bootsequence is FDD->HDD |
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| 15:33.43 | asg | cr3: you just need the installer kernel and initrd and can do the rest via the net |
| 15:34.36 | justin | dromer: uh, do you know what an IBM RS/6000 is? |
| 15:34.57 | cr3 | asg: thanks but I really want to install everything locally, everything is on the image anyhow |
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| 15:35.18 | cr3 | asg: I wonder if I can specify root=/dev/hda1 |
| 15:35.44 | asg | cr3: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 15:36.04 | asg | cr3: 3rd paragraph seems to indicate you can use an existing iso |
| 15:36.15 | wwallace | hi i tried to install etch but igor errors after installing software |
| 15:36.24 | wwallace | and grub also couldnt be instaLLED |
| 15:36.25 | dromer | justin: nope |
| 15:36.34 | wwallace | IT TOLD ME SOME ERRORS HAVE OCURRED |
| 15:36.37 | wwallace | oops |
| 15:36.38 | wwallace | sorry |
| 15:36.41 | dromer | justin: ha,' my bad :P |
| 15:36.43 | jelly-home | igor errors? No brain for ze monster? :-) |
| 15:36.48 | wwallace | !tell wwallace about enter |
| 15:36.53 | dromer | justin: you know how I have to make tho bootfloppy then? |
| 15:36.58 | wwallace | :P |
| 15:37.14 | valdyn | cr3: why are you using a RS/6000 bootfloppy? |
| 15:37.21 | valdyn | !ig dromer |
| 15:37.22 | valdyn | !ig |
| 15:37.23 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
| 15:37.27 | dromer | valdyn: yes, my bad |
| 15:38.17 | dromer | valdyn: I have an ancient laptop and want to install linux on it from floppy, but I have no idea how to get on with this :/ |
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| 15:38.34 | valdyn | dromer: its in the install guide |
| 15:39.17 | smacnay | I am looking for a method of keeping addresses and retrieving them for documents done in LaTeX. I was wondering about a db like psql and retrieving via a shell command in vim and inserting the results in a doc. Are there any other solutions out there. I am also avoiding gui and prefer console. |
| 15:39.41 | mcgreg | does anybody use the 2.6.19 kernel from experimental here? is it usable? |
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| 15:40.19 | justin | dromer: read the debian install guide |
| 15:40.20 | TomHome | hi |
| 15:40.31 | TomHome | does someone use the clamav volatile pkg ? |
| 15:40.33 | DocPlatypus | mcgreg: still on 2.6.18-4 here but I could try it |
| 15:40.33 | dromer | valdyn: can you tell, me , appart from the abvious boot.img, which other files I need from this list: http://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/ |
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| 15:41.22 | TomHome | and upgrade clamav from 0.88.6 to 0.88.7 and... have a big "This version of the ClamAV engine is outdated." |
| 15:42.24 | mcgreg | DocPlatypus: 2.6.18-4 doesnt work for me, I get a kernel crash at boot, only -1 works here |
| 15:42.33 | |ewanm89| | TomHome: version 0.90 has been released upstream and freshclam uses upstreams virus database |
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| 15:43.09 | dromer | valdyn: ok, I'm trying the first one with boot.img |
| 15:43.42 | dromer | valdyn: the laptop still boots into win95 |
| 15:43.54 | dromer | it just skips the disk |
| 15:44.41 | justin | dromer: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apas02.html#howto-getting-images-floppy |
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| 15:45.25 | dromer | justin: the laptop doesn't get the floppy I made with boot.img |
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| 15:46.19 | justin | dromer: how did you make it |
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| 15:47.30 | dromer | dd if=boot.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1024 conv=sync ; sync << like in the manual |
| 15:48.16 | ranphatje | Quick question when you first use locate how can you make the database? |
| 15:48.42 | ranphatje | nevermind |
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| 15:52.25 | christopherl | how do I run Internet Explorer in Linux? wine only way? |
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| 15:52.54 | Hoxzer | http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page |
| 15:53.46 | christopherl | thanks |
| 15:54.43 | dromer | justin: I can't get the laptop to boot this way, anybody have any suggestions? |
| 15:54.46 | Azar | finally a correct description of Debian: http://polishlinux.org/linux/debian/ |
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| 15:55.39 | Azar | ...if only the author would have use a spellchecker.. |
| 15:56.24 | dromer | hehe, indeed |
| 15:56.28 | rolandlakr | Haha, yeah i noticed that too.. Good article except people wont be able to take him/her serious because of the grammar issues floating around. |
| 15:56.46 | TomHome | |ewanm89|: ok, it's due to the 0.9 version. thx for the reply |
| 15:56.50 | dromer | and check up on some 'facts' he names: It is less buggy and better tested than the Stable release << he means _unstable_ release :P |
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| 15:57.21 | justin | dromer: does the floppy you made boot in another machine? |
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| 15:57.33 | Azar | yep and Debian is not supported by any big corportaion.. |
| 15:57.33 | stoned | http://polishlinux.org/linux/debian/ -- codenamed Etch). It's a compromise between Stable and Unstable branches. It is less buggy and better tested than the Stable release |
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| 15:57.39 | stoned | WRONG!! |
| 15:57.43 | rolandlakr | Weee, I get to customize a flash drive version of Debian.. |
| 15:57.44 | dromer | justin: I don't have another machine to try on atm |
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| 15:57.56 | dromer | rolandlakr: cool |
| 15:58.01 | sidjster | hey stoned |
| 15:58.04 | Azar | haha |
| 15:58.05 | stoned | hi |
| 15:58.12 | Azar | hi / bye stoned |
| 15:58.26 | jelly-home | stoned: sounds like a typo |
| 15:58.28 | stoned | bye |
| 15:58.36 | stoned | highg |
| 15:58.39 | dromer | damnit, this guy got debian installed on a laptop just like this one :( http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/t4900b.html |
| 15:58.42 | stoned | wake |
| 15:58.45 | stoned | n bake |
| 15:58.52 | dromer | why doesn't mine get the boot-disk I made :( |
| 15:59.14 | jelly-home | dromer: can you see the contents of the floppy in Windows? |
| 15:59.27 | stoned | http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1=Ubuntu&distro2=Debian |
| 15:59.34 | stoned | utterly moronic |
| 15:59.46 | dromer | jelly-home: I'm not in windows, or do you mean: when I let the laptop boot into win95 ? |
| 15:59.52 | rolandlakr | dromer: It's gonna be nice having something like this. I'm actually making it to fix someone elses computer as the disk drive isn't working properly on her computer so a live cd is out of the question. but her mouse is USB and it moves around. so a flash drive linux should work fine.. I'd hope.. |
| 15:59.53 | jelly-home | dromer: yes. |
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| 16:00.19 | jelly-home | dromer: I mean the latter |
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| 16:00.52 | netman1 | Hi All. What is the primary wav 2 mp3 tool in etch, since lame is apparantly deprecated? |
| 16:00.56 | dromer | jelly-home: I'll try ;) |
| 16:00.59 | EmleyMoor | I can't get cdrdao to work with my drive - the version in etch is throwing lots of errors - yet wodim works OK |
| 16:01.12 | stoned | lame is in debian |
| 16:01.12 | knight | how can i install a language pack -ml ? |
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| 16:01.26 | jetscreamer | netman1: apt-cache search mp3|grep wav |
| 16:01.28 | netman1 | stoned: yeah, but not in etch. |
| 16:01.39 | jelly-home | dromer: that would at least confirm that you've created the floppy correctly |
| 16:01.44 | jetscreamer | !tell netman1 -about marillat |
| 16:01.47 | dromer | I can't wait to get win95 off of this thing |
| 16:01.53 | knight | !languagepack |
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| 16:01.57 | dromer | jelly-home: for this hw you mean? |
| 16:02.01 | knight | !language-pack |
| 16:02.07 | dromer | jelly-home: I hope so ... |
| 16:02.17 | jetscreamer | knight: try /msg dpkg listkeys language |
| 16:02.20 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 16:02.27 | stoned | jet |
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| 16:02.29 | jetscreamer | or /msg dpkg language |
| 16:02.30 | stoned | right |
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| 16:02.42 | stoned | its packaged by marillat |
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| 16:03.11 | netman1 | jetscreamer/stoned: thanks, I should have remembered marilat. |
| 16:03.24 | jetscreamer | gdamit! |
| 16:03.32 | stoned | grampa! |
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| 16:03.35 | dromer | jelly-home: hmm, win95 does recognise the new pcmcia-network-card I bought 2nd hand .. maybe I can make the ploppies frlom the machine itself .. |
| 16:03.36 | stoned | hehehehehe |
| 16:03.52 | stoned | ploppies |
| 16:03.54 | stoned | lol |
| 16:03.54 | jetscreamer | i need a fix! (i'm getting addicted to making money) |
| 16:04.04 | stoned | who doesnt |
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| 16:04.22 | jetscreamer | no, i mean it's becoming an adiction |
| 16:04.26 | jetscreamer | seriously :) |
| 16:04.30 | jetscreamer | dd |
| 16:04.30 | dromer | jelly-home: hmm, can't get the drivers for it .. |
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| 16:04.37 | jetscreamer | i'm jonsin |
| 16:04.40 | sidjster | wish i could make some moneyu |
| 16:04.50 | knight | !language |
| 16:04.51 | dpkg | language is probably a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
| 16:05.12 | dromer | jelly-home: ok, I can't open the floppy-drive, no access-error |
| 16:05.19 | stoned | hey |
| 16:05.20 | jetscreamer | knight: maybe apt-cache search language |grep <searchterm to grep for> |
| 16:05.26 | stoned | dell was paying me out the ass |
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| 16:05.38 | stoned | and i let making money go to my head |
| 16:05.42 | Leo_Brazil | jetscreamer, aptitude is better! |
| 16:05.48 | jetscreamer | !greet dererk |
| 16:05.48 | dpkg | Wassup, dererk |
| 16:05.48 | sidjster | man i do this shit with gloves on its 36 degrees in here |
| 16:05.55 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 16:05.55 | dpkg | somebody said dselect was a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 16:05.55 | dromer | jelly-home: I guess I need to make it differently then .. anybody have any ideas how to make the bootdisks for this machine? |
| 16:05.57 | stoned | I went against eveerything I was, morally |
| 16:06.02 | stoned | so I quit |
| 16:06.11 | stoned | jetscreamer: dont let money change you |
| 16:06.13 | dererk | jetscreamer, thanks pal :) |
| 16:06.17 | jelly-home | dromer: does the floppy drive on that laptop even work? |
| 16:06.28 | dromer | jelly-home: I don't know, it trys to read .. |
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| 16:06.39 | dromer | but nothing happens .. |
| 16:06.44 | jetscreamer | hey crackheads will do anything for a fix |
| 16:06.56 | dromer | jelly-home: how could I test it? |
| 16:06.59 | dererk | lol |
| 16:07.00 | jelly-home | dromer: oh. can you mount the floppy on the machine you made it on? |
| 16:07.00 | stoned | crack |
| 16:07.39 | stoned | a cd burner is what, like 10$ |
| 16:07.45 | stoned | I can buy you one |
| 16:07.55 | jetscreamer | ok i'll take 2 |
| 16:07.58 | stoned | you should move to the 21st century |
| 16:07.59 | dromer | jelly-home: lemme see .. |
| 16:08.08 | jetscreamer | floppies can be very useful |
| 16:08.10 | stoned | stop using floppies |
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| 16:08.25 | jetscreamer | stop needing floppies is better |
| 16:08.37 | stoned | yup |
| 16:09.18 | jelly-home | stoned: using a machine from 21st century might help, but alas this one is vintage 1994 |
| 16:09.22 | abhinay | My memory stick got currupted, how can i fix it ? |
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| 16:09.32 | dromer | jelly-home: I can read it just fine .. |
| 16:09.32 | jetscreamer | format? |
| 16:09.33 | abhinay | iam getting this error : Error: Unable to open /dev/sdb1 - unrecognised disk label |
| 16:09.42 | stoned | oh |
| 16:09.51 | stoned | well time to recycle it |
| 16:09.56 | jetscreamer | maybe label it |
| 16:10.01 | stoned | or go to the dump |
| 16:10.03 | jetscreamer | re-label |
| 16:10.06 | sidjster | anyone from detroit area? |
| 16:10.09 | stoned | oer put it upon ebay |
| 16:10.14 | sidjster | i need a lug |
| 16:10.16 | jetscreamer | ted nugent is |
| 16:10.20 | stoned | somw dum collector will pay top $$ for it |
| 16:10.24 | jetscreamer | i think |
| 16:10.29 | stoned | ted nugent \m/ ! |
| 16:10.34 | jelly-home | dromer: the floppies might be unaligned. I guess the only way to find out is to format the floppy on the laptop itself and rawrite the image from windows |
| 16:10.37 | dromer | no I just want it to work :P |
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| 16:10.47 | jetscreamer | nugent sucks live though.. seriously. |
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| 16:10.51 | dromer | I don't have a laptop yet :P |
| 16:10.54 | jetscreamer | he fights too much with the band |
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| 16:11.03 | sidjster | lol dont think he knows much debian |
| 16:11.14 | jetscreamer | i saw him 20 years ago, and like 5 years ago.. or so. exactly the same. |
| 16:11.16 | dromer | jelly-home: meh, I could boot into windows on my desktop-pc, but I don't want to :# |
| 16:11.19 | stoned | jug jugah jug juggah jug juggah jah jah! jiggidy jug jugga jug juggah jug juggah JAH JAH! |
| 16:11.24 | jelly-home | dromer: that wouldn't help |
| 16:11.44 | jetscreamer | it's that alpha male crap |
| 16:11.53 | dromer | jelly-home: bah, I can't format it on the latop itself :( |
| 16:12.04 | rolandlakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.05 | dromer | I'm guessing the flappydrive is broke huh :( |
| 16:12.12 | stoned | there is no such thing as the alpha male anymore |
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| 16:12.20 | jelly-home | dromer: that indicated the floppy drive on the laptop might be hosed |
| 16:12.20 | stoned | they all became meterosexual |
| 16:12.37 | dromer | jelly-home: ah wait, my bad, it wasn't in ntere anymore :P |
| 16:12.46 | sidjster | my ex wife told me the other day that im just an alpha dog |
| 16:13.03 | jelly-home | sidjster: was she a bitch then? <g> |
| 16:13.04 | dromer | it's "initialising now .. (doing a quick format) |
| 16:13.05 | rolandlakr | and this summer they are doing a test of SUSE linux (although dave the IT professional said he'd like debian better) |
| 16:13.05 | sidjster | she keeps her new boyfriend in his place |
| 16:13.15 | stoned | thats depressing, I guess... |
| 16:13.17 | jetscreamer | more like the alpha got more intelligent |
| 16:13.32 | jelly-home | dromer: don't do a quick format, do a full one. |
| 16:13.39 | sidjster | whats depressing? |
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| 16:14.07 | sidjster | my new girlfriend is like 22 years old that aint depressing |
| 16:14.14 | jelly-home | dromer: if your floppy drive alignments are incompatible, a quick format won't work anyway |
| 16:14.25 | dromer | ok |
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| 16:14.38 | defcon8 | sidjster, what is "girlfriend: ? |
| 16:14.40 | stoned | !xen |
| 16:14.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 16:14.42 | dromer | jetscreamer: hehe, my hands are cold :# |
| 16:14.46 | jetscreamer | !girlfriend |
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| 16:14.52 | jetscreamer | !gf |
| 16:14.52 | dpkg | i heard gf is Girl Friend, or French Guiana |
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| 16:15.03 | stoned | how do you pronounce that |
| 16:15.08 | dromer | gah, the laptop froze :/ |
| 16:15.08 | defcon8 | giyana |
| 16:15.08 | stoned | gooeyana |
| 16:15.10 | stoned | ahh |
| 16:15.12 | jetscreamer | a girlfriend is therefore a french guiana |
| 16:15.12 | stoned | I thought so |
| 16:15.16 | dromer | this win95 install is soooo crappy |
| 16:15.36 | defcon8 | dromer, wtf how old is your computer? |
| 16:15.40 | stoned | dromer: I have a working laptop using linux |
| 16:15.45 | jetscreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guiana |
| 16:15.53 | stoned | dromer: 4mb ram, 25mhz cpu, 80mb hdd |
| 16:15.54 | dromer | defcon8: this laptop is from '94 I believe .. |
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| 16:15.59 | dromer | stoned: cool |
| 16:16.01 | stoned | mine is from 92 |
| 16:16.02 | stoned | :) |
| 16:16.12 | wam | Hi, is there any howto for tuning linux/debian/gnome on not using the harddisk? I'm trying to turn it off on my notebook - but every few seconds, a read/write occurs. I guess, it's FS sync or logfile-access. But maybe someone else already did the job ;) |
| 16:16.16 | defcon8 | dromer, I was 4 then :| |
| 16:16.19 | jelly-home | dromer: how much do you earn hourly rate? :-) You might get a better TCO by working for the same amount of time and buying a newer machine |
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| 16:16.22 | sidjster | my oldest is pentium 2 366 oc'd to 450 |
| 16:16.23 | defcon8 | actually, that's when I got my first computer |
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| 16:16.38 | dromer | jelly-home: I don't. I'm a student |
| 16:16.38 | defcon8 | jetscreamer, wow, I never knew France had overseas territories |
| 16:16.42 | |ewanm89| | stoned: Any idea how to install debian with no cd or usb |
| 16:16.45 | asg | wam: look at the noflushd package |
| 16:16.47 | jetscreamer | they at least used to |
| 16:16.55 | stoned | sidjster: my latest is 1.866ghz core 2 duo overclocked to 3500mhz |
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| 16:17.02 | defcon8 | guiana is even part of the EU :D |
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| 16:17.07 | ranphatje | If you have a ssh connection to debian by ssh user@ipname is there a option to just disconnect but not logout. So if you relogon you get the old screen back (like turning your monitor on anf off) |
| 16:17.16 | sidjster | mine is xp2800 oc'd to 3200 |
| 16:17.17 | stoned | |ewanm89|: yes. /msg dpkg install guide | read chapters 3,4,5 |
| 16:17.22 | asg | ranphatje: use the screen package |
| 16:17.22 | jelly-home | defcon8: sure they do, where do you think they run their nuclear experiments |
| 16:17.26 | xingu | wam: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7539 |
| 16:17.27 | dromer | !screen | ranphatje |
| 16:17.41 | sidjster | im poor :( |
| 16:17.45 | dromer | !screen |
| 16:17.45 | dpkg | somebody said screen was allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or apt-get install screen, or |
| 16:17.58 | |ewanm89| | stoned: No network either |
| 16:17.59 | stoned | |ewanm89|: what do you have right now? |
| 16:18.04 | jelly-home | dromer: it's !tell someone about something |
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| 16:18.17 | dromer | ok, sorry, I'm used to #ubuntu :$ |
| 16:18.23 | wam | asg, xingu - thanks! |
| 16:18.26 | stoned | |ewanm89|: you're gonna need to get your debian from somewhere though |
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| 16:18.53 | ma3x | how can I verify if 2 files are exactly the same (if the one of them isn't corrupted)? |
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| 16:18.58 | ma3x | is there a file signature or something? |
| 16:19.16 | |ewanm89| | stoned: 1.6 Ghz AMD sempron 1GB of ram Nvidia 6200 running debian with Beryl |
| 16:19.23 | jelly-home | ma3x: you can do md5sum on each and be reasonably sure. |
| 16:19.34 | stoned | |ewanm89|: so whats the problem? |
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| 16:20.08 | |ewanm89| | stoned: I also have an old 486 laptop and hate windows 3.1 |
| 16:20.33 | jelly-home | ma3x: or, better, use cmp |
| 16:20.39 | stoned | my pos doesn't run debian |
| 16:20.40 | |ewanm89| | stoned: Want to know the rest of the collection |
| 16:20.43 | stoned | debian is too much for it |
| 16:20.49 | stoned | |ewanm89|: sure |
| 16:20.53 | jelly-home | stoned: pos? |
| 16:20.57 | |ewanm89| | stoned: Any distro will do |
| 16:21.01 | stoned | piece of shit |
| 16:21.15 | stoned | I don't have point of sale |
| 16:21.23 | stoned | I dont' sell, I just consume |
| 16:21.24 | ma3x | jelly-home: what if the file is corrupted, will it show another signature |
| 16:21.42 | stoned | floppy linux! |
| 16:21.53 | ma3x | jelly-home: but if I check it on a file which is on a CD disc, it would take long time, no? |
| 16:21.57 | |ewanm89| | stoned: Yeah URI? |
| 16:21.58 | jelly-home | ma3x: then the md5sums will most probably be different, yes. |
| 16:22.01 | stoned | google! |
| 16:22.01 | xingu | wam: nb, you probably don't want to actually spindown a notebook hdd; spindown is usually firmware-ly a full motor off and head park, and there's usually a ceiling in terms of lifetime warranty for that. |
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| 16:22.39 | stoned | |ewanm89|: no clue about the url, but its called floppix |
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| 16:22.43 | stoned | its debian based |
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| 16:23.05 | xingu | wam: however if you eliminate head movement and read/write iops you get most of the power savings anyway; still, be warned, and if this is your setup investigate disabling the spindown timer. |
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| 16:23.39 | ma3x | jelly-home: why can't I md5sum on a /cdrom file? |
| 16:23.47 | stoned | |ewanm89|: http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/floppix/ |
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| 16:23.57 | stoned | !floppix |
| 16:24.02 | |ewanm89| | stoned: http://floppix.ccai.com |
| 16:24.08 | jelly-home | ma3x: I have no idea |
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| 16:24.32 | wam | xingu: that means, I gain power for lifetime if i spindown? |
| 16:24.43 | dromer | jelly-home: hmm, so, I just tried the full format option, but I'm thinking it didn't work so well, I got a windows error (sorry, it's in dutch) and now it's done already (shoud take longer I think) |
| 16:24.44 | vjacob | hey debian users, sorry for the non-related question, but do any of you know general site where bloggers are paid for their blogging? |
| 16:24.52 | jelly-home | ma3x: maybe the medium is bad... check for errors in dmesg or /var/log/kern.log |
| 16:25.30 | |ewanm89| | stoned: do you know of a floppy based linux hard drive install distro? |
| 16:25.32 | streuner | ma3x: still fighting with the DVD? |
| 16:25.34 | dromer | vjacob: paid for blogging? |
| 16:25.36 | stoned | dpkg floppix is Floppix is a teaching tool; it is a very small subset of Debian/ GNU Linux that fits on two 3.5" 1.4Mb diskettes. The current version is derived from Debian 2.1 (slink) It provides a platform to practice linux commands and experiment with simple system administration. Floppix has no hard drive support; you cannot access, modify, damage or destroy anything installed on the hard drive. http://floppix.ccai.com - http://public.p |
| 16:25.36 | dpkg | stoned: what are you talking about? |
| 16:25.42 | stoned | dpkg you're stupid |
| 16:25.43 | jelly-home | dromer: try another floppy. If it doesn't work on a known good floppy, chances are the drive is borked |
| 16:25.58 | dromer | jelly-home: they are new |
| 16:26.25 | ma3x | streuner: yes, was I yesterday too? |
| 16:26.29 | streuner | stoned: <bot> <foo> is <reply> blahblah |
| 16:26.46 | streuner | ma3x: the *WHOLE* day :-) |
| 16:26.50 | dromer | jelly-home: I'll try a brand-new one (these where already formatted on my linux-box) |
| 16:27.02 | streuner | stoned: infobot.org |
| 16:27.04 | ma3x | streuner: what kind of a problem did I have yesterday exactly? I forgot |
| 16:27.06 | stoned | dpkg floppix is <reply> Floppix is a teaching tool; it is a very small subset of Debian/ GNU Linux that fits on two 3.5" 1.4Mb diskettes. The current version is derived from Debian 2.1 (slink) It provides a platform to practice linux commands and experiment with simple system administration. Floppix has no hard drive support; you cannot access, modify, damage or destroy anything installed on the hard drive. http://floppix.ccai.com - http://p |
| 16:27.07 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 16:27.14 | stoned | infobot? |
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| 16:27.17 | xingu | wam: that means, that if you have a fairly normal notebook hdd, and you put it through a lot of spin up/ spin down cycles in a relatively short space of time, you'll find yourself outside your warranty and quite possibly suffering io errors due to recalibration problems |
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| 16:27.32 | jelly-home | dromer: maybe the drive only needs a cleaning |
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| 16:27.45 | wam | xingu: thanks - I'll think about that. |
| 16:27.46 | ma3x | jelly-home: how would you clean it? |
| 16:27.46 | stoned | streuner: I thought it was a blootbot |
| 16:27.54 | streuner | stoned: http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
| 16:28.00 | dromer | jelly-home: perhaps, though this brland-new floppy doesn't give the error |
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| 16:28.19 | xingu | wam: I'd suggest - disable your spindown timer using hdparm, and, don't use noflushd - just tune laptop-mode; but that's personal taste. |
| 16:28.21 | dromer | jelly-home: damnit, it does now :( |
| 16:28.23 | jelly-home | ma3x: afair there were cleaning solutions for floppies |
| 16:28.29 | stoned | streuner: word man word |
| 16:28.30 | dromer | jelly-home: how can I clean a floppydrive? :/ |
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| 16:28.53 | ma3x | dromer: you don't need floppies these days anymore |
| 16:28.55 | xingu | wam: if you tune for spindle always on and constrain io into batches using laptop-mode, you get most of the power savings. |
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| 16:29.00 | dromer | ma3x: I need for this pc |
| 16:29.01 | ma3x | get a decent cdrom |
| 16:29.10 | |ewanm89| | ma3x: I do |
| 16:29.16 | dromer | ma3x: it's an ancient laptop without cdrom, I want to do a networkinstal |
| 16:29.23 | justin | dromer: did you try writing the boot floppy from that machine? |
| 16:29.27 | wam | xingu: interesting. I always thought, the motor takes most of the energy... |
| 16:29.27 | jelly-home | dromer: uh, google for floppy cleaner or something |
| 16:29.39 | ma3x | can anyone explain me what means errors, and errorsize in ddrescue? |
| 16:29.43 | xingu | wam: no; read/write current, and spinup current. |
| 16:29.45 | streuner | !info blootbot |
| 16:29.45 | jelly-home | justin: he can't even format a floppy in that machine |
| 16:29.46 | dromer | justin: I can't do anything with floppies on this machine apperantly, btw; no internet access either |
| 16:29.49 | dpkg | blootbot: (a severely modified infobot for IRC), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 242 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
| 16:29.55 | streuner | stoned: ^^^ |
| 16:30.06 | wam | xingu: thanks a lot for that info ;) That really saves me some time. |
| 16:30.10 | xingu | wam: but read the lj article |
| 16:30.18 | wam | xingu: yep |
| 16:30.23 | justin | dromer: buy a hd adapter then :) |
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| 16:30.34 | dromer | what do you mean? |
| 16:30.41 | justin | dromer: take hd out, put in other machine, install |
| 16:30.47 | dromer | hmm |
| 16:30.50 | LinkinTurk | hey.. How i can do dist-downgrade? |
| 16:30.57 | ma3x | LinkinTurk: you can't |
| 16:30.58 | LinkinTurk | testing ---> sarge |
| 16:31.02 | streuner | !downgrade |
| 16:31.02 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 16:31.03 | dromer | justin: I don't think it's worth that :P |
| 16:31.14 | jelly-home | justin: that's a good idea |
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| 16:31.51 | LinkinTurk | Okay |
| 16:31.56 | LinkinTurk | I have a problem. |
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| 16:32.17 | westside | where's the best place to look for documentation on how ieee1394 HD support works (or is supposed to work) for sarge running 2.4.27-3-386 ? |
| 16:32.28 | jelly-home | dromer: how much RAM does the machine have anyway? If it has less than 64MB, the installation will be painfully slow |
| 16:32.35 | dromer | jelly-home: 16 |
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| 16:32.46 | dromer | jelly-home: 75mhz and 810 mb hdd |
| 16:32.48 | LinkinTurk | If specified by -literal_key, then the key length must be equal to the chosen cipher's key length of 56 bytes at /var/lib/dpkg/info/vhcs.postinst line 1887 |
| 16:32.55 | LinkinTurk | what does mean it? |
| 16:32.57 | dromer | jelly-home: but it's not gona work I guess :( |
| 16:33.16 | jelly-home | dromer: then the best option could really be to attach the drive to another machine and install there |
| 16:33.50 | dromer | jelly-home: I truelly have no Idea how to do this .. |
| 16:34.02 | streuner | westside: http://www.linux1394.org/ ? |
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| 16:34.33 | westside | streuner: thx...I'll check that now |
| 16:34.46 | jelly-home | dromer: assuming it's an IDE drive with standard 2.5" connectors, you can use an adapter to use it with a normal IDE cable and molex power |
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| 16:35.27 | dromer | jelly-home: I'm guessing it's not |
| 16:35.35 | jelly-home | dromer: how do you figure? |
| 16:35.58 | westside | streuner: oh yeah that looks real good thx again |
| 16:36.31 | streuner | westside: you're welcome. |
| 16:36.47 | dromer | jelly-home: the fact that nothing is working atm :( |
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| 16:38.40 | jelly-home | dromer: I don't get it. "nothing is working" does not imply "hdd is not IDE" in any way |
| 16:38.55 | dromer | true |
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| 16:39.03 | dromer | how do I know if it's IDE then? |
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| 16:39.34 | raf256 | sometimes I wonder - is linux usable? |
| 16:39.39 | jelly-home | dromer: check the specs. Take a look at some other 2.5" IDE drive connectors and see if they're the same |
| 16:39.49 | jelly-home | raf256: barely |
| 16:40.08 | raf256 | dia-usuable crap; krusader-crashes dail; apt/aptitude-crashing; wtf |
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| 16:40.38 | jelly-home | raf256: you'd better install windows not and forget about all that crap |
| 16:40.41 | raf256 | I wonder would commerciall software improve situation |
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| 16:40.45 | jelly-home | s/not/now/ |
| 16:40.47 | dromer | jelly-home: so I'd need something like this: http://www.ataricq.org/project_falcon/ide/ide_adapter.jpg |
| 16:41.10 | raf256 | jelly-home: yes, windows software was less crappy and crashable, but then windows is spying on own users etc which is unacceptable |
| 16:41.17 | Thms | when i install manually an application, where need I to install it ? |
| 16:41.22 | jelly-home | dromer: the commercial ones are a bit nicer, but yes. |
| 16:41.25 | raf256 | perhaps commercial linux software would be the way to go? |
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| 16:41.46 | streuner | raf256: troll somewhere else. |
| 16:41.55 | raf256 | I would shurly pay 5 usd for good krusader |
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| 16:42.01 | mina_linux_Tux | , I'm trying to run a PHP web application , it says Your PHP version is 4.3.10-16 so there is not much hope of Empris working. Please upgrade to 4.0.4+ and try again i want to know how to upgrade it at the time that i used apt-get install php4 on debian sarge says php4 is already the newest version, any comment , please some help , please if i'm off-topic point me to the right place for my question |
| 16:42.05 | jelly-home | dromer: about 5 euro here |
| 16:42.08 | raf256 | streuner: I am not trolling. if you have nothing real to say then why not stfu |
| 16:42.13 | xingu | dromer: does this fabulous notebook have a brand name? |
| 16:42.13 | dromer | jelly-home: where is hereL? |
| 16:42.22 | jelly-home | dromer: Croatia |
| 16:42.31 | dromer | xingu: Toshiba T4900CT |
| 16:43.12 | jelly-home | raf256: it seems that you don't have anything topical to say. This is a channel for Debian support. |
| 16:43.49 | raf256 | jelly-home: which is for disussing debian |
| 16:43.55 | streuner | raf256: we support free and open source, asking such question (statements) aren't helpful at all. |
| 16:43.57 | jelly-home | raf256: no, it's for _support_. |
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| 16:44.01 | raf256 | jelly-home: which one is for disussing debian? |
| 16:44.12 | xingu | jelly-home: went on holidays to rovinj recently, very picturesque. :) |
| 16:44.14 | jelly-home | raf256: no idea |
| 16:44.23 | streuner | raf256: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:44.27 | raf256 | hmm |
| 16:44.38 | mina_linux_Tux | ppl no comment |
| 16:45.01 | streuner | raf256: but take care, they support open source as well ;-) |
| 16:45.37 | Solak | hmm, will beryl be in the new debian stable? |
| 16:45.43 | raf256 | ok let me make this ontopic, |
| 16:45.47 | jelly-home | xingu: I agree. It's probably even better when there are no hordes of tourists. ;-) |
| 16:46.01 | streuner | Solak: no. |
| 16:46.08 | mina_linux_Tux | am i asking something offTopic ? |
| 16:46.08 | raf256 | Problem is that big part of OS is totally crap in terms of quality. Is it easy to install propertairy/payable/commerciall software in debian? |
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| 16:46.19 | Solak | streuner: testing,unstable then? |
| 16:46.22 | raf256 | does debian encoruge companies to write soft for it? |
| 16:46.35 | streuner | Solak: yes, read gravity's blog about |
| 16:46.46 | ma3x | shit, my DVD/CD burner is dead |
| 16:46.51 | |ewanm89| | Solak: No you have to manually update Nvidia drivers and install it yourself on debian. |
| 16:47.00 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: 4.3.10 is bigger than 4.0.4, seems that your app is misdetecting the version |
| 16:47.05 | raf256 | !nvidia oneliner |
| 16:47.05 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 16:47.23 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly: so what i have to do |
| 16:47.24 | Solak | streuner: anyway, I tried to update to testing but it appears some apps I use are removed, so I cancled the upgrade. |
| 16:47.37 | Solak | |ewanm89|: I have an Asus X800 (ATI). |
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| 16:47.51 | streuner | Solak: did you read the 'release-notes' about (etch)? |
| 16:47.52 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: umm, ignore that message and continue? |
| 16:48.10 | Solak | I installed the ATI proprietary driver, but I'm not sure that was such a good idea. |
| 16:48.15 | |ewanm89| | Solak: Then you would have to run it through AIGLX |
| 16:48.34 | mina_linux_Tux | jelly-home: this is on the index.php |
| 16:48.34 | streuner | Solak: you might want visit #beryl as well |
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| 16:48.55 | sidjster | holy cow i just had a fight with Kpackage |
| 16:48.57 | xingu | jelly-home: does debian installer support network install on pcmcia/cardbus NIC? |
| 16:49.04 | jelly-home | mina_linux_Tux: I have no experience with that particular php application |
| 16:49.17 | |ewanm89| | Solak: Sorry didn't think but look in the http://beryl-project.org wiki |
| 16:49.47 | jelly-home | xingu: last time I tried that was in woody, and it did |
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| 16:50.34 | Solak | streuner: no, sorry. I'm reading it now (apparently I overlooked that document last time I checked). |
| 16:50.57 | D0ug | http://pastebin.ca/362209 |
| 16:51.06 | D0ug | Can someone help me with this error I have? |
| 16:51.13 | jelly-home | xingu: but if you're referring to dromer's machine, he's got to make it boot from floppies first, which apparently is not going to happen |
| 16:51.19 | Solak | streuner: anyway, I guess I have to come up with an alternative for Tellico :-( |
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| 16:51.50 | |ewanm89| | mina_linux_Tux: apt-get install php5 as php4 is rather old now or aptitude upgrade to upgrade all out of date packages |
| 16:51.57 | streuner | D0ug: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:51.59 | xingu | jelly-home: and I suppose they've already blown away whatever was on the hdd before |
| 16:52.14 | jelly-home | xingu: nope, win95 still running |
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| 16:52.35 | sidjster | can i just remove all the unwanted x-org video drivers ? |
| 16:52.41 | |ewanm89| | How do I unset myself from being away |
| 16:53.09 | D0ug | dsl@box:~$ dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:53.09 | D0ug | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:53.12 | streuner | depends on your irc-client, but usually /away is enough |
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| 16:53.52 | jelly-home | xingu: but if the floppy, the only removable media device, is not working, it's going to be rather hard to get network up with no drivers |
| 16:53.59 | sidjster | please now |
| 16:54.04 | xingu | jelly-home, dromer: fyi http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/t4900b.html |
| 16:54.17 | streuner | D0ug: Can you show us your sources.list as well? |
| 16:54.20 | jelly-home | xingu: s?he's found that already ;-) |
| 16:54.38 | D0ug | Its the main repositories |
| 16:54.40 | dromer | xingu: I know, but the flappy-drive is broke :( |
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| 16:54.52 | jelly-home | sidjster: yes you can, I've done that here |
| 16:55.04 | D0ug | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:55.04 | D0ug | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 16:55.15 | |ewanm89| | streuner: that just sets me away |
| 16:55.18 | Thms | are there risks to install beryl on debian etch ? |
| 16:55.45 | streuner | |ewanm89|: another /away should turn that off |
| 16:55.49 | jelly-home | Thms: It will eat your cat and defecate on the flowers! Wait, that's good for the flowers |
| 16:55.50 | I-kido | Just installed beryl |
| 16:55.51 | I-kido | http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8893/screenshotdp5.png |
| 16:55.55 | Ronin | |ewanm89|: /help away |
| 16:56.07 | Thms | jelly-home: -_- |
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| 16:57.01 | |ewanm89| | Ronin: Thanks its /back in KVirc |
| 16:57.04 | streuner | !congratulate I-kido |
| 16:57.05 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies I-kido, you did it! |
| 16:57.11 | I-kido | lol |
| 16:57.14 | I-kido | Thankssss |
| 16:57.32 | jelly-home | Thms: seriously, if you installing it from a third party repository, you can't really trust it like debian packages. |
| 16:57.34 | xingu | jelly-home: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/more.html any use? |
| 16:57.49 | Thms | okay jelly-home |
| 16:57.57 | jelly-home | xingu: win95 doesn't have that boot loader |
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| 16:58.15 | xingu | extra naff. :) |
| 16:58.24 | jelly-home | xingu: it's an win2000+ thing I think |
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| 16:59.13 | jelly-home | xingu: you might be on the right track though, it could probably be done with loadlin.exe if it supports initrd |
| 16:59.34 | xingu | syslinux does |
| 16:59.39 | xingu | and I think that does run from safe mode |
| 16:59.42 | xingu | come to think of it |
| 16:59.56 | streuner | D0ug: strange, just mv (move) the info file of libxv1 to /tmp |
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| 17:00.13 | ignotus | hello! I would like to have a directory of my Debian GNU/Linux (home) machine be available as a drive (like F:\) for a Windows XP at my workplace, what options do I have? |
| 17:00.22 | Solak | I-kido: stable? |
| 17:00.33 | I-kido | Solak very |
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| 17:00.45 | Solak | I-kido: no, sorry, I mean did you install in for 'stable'? |
| 17:01.00 | I-kido | Solak I'm on Etch with pretty stable beryl |
| 17:01.08 | I-kido | is that what u meant |
| 17:01.09 | streuner | !find libxv1 |
| 17:01.11 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'libxv1' (2): libxv1 ;; libxv1-dbg. |
| 17:01.24 | streuner | !info libxv1 sarge |
| 17:01.25 | dffh | ignotus: http://www.fs-driver.org/ if you use ext2 |
| 17:01.26 | Solak | I-kido: Etch is testing... As far as I can see I still have 'sarge'. |
| 17:01.30 | dpkg | libxv1: (X Window System video extension library), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 168 kB, Installed size: 324 kB |
| 17:01.48 | D0ug | sudo mv /usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0 /tmp/libXv.so.1.0 |
| 17:01.53 | D0ug | is that the right command? |
| 17:02.00 | ignotus | dffh: uh sorry, I did not make myself clear then, I would like to do it through internet |
| 17:02.00 | D0ug | (I am fairly new to linux; I just want to make sure) |
| 17:02.05 | I-kido | Solak I didnt have crashes yet |
| 17:02.07 | streuner | D0ug: no |
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| 17:02.13 | jelly-home | xingu: this would by no means be a simple installation though |
| 17:02.25 | streuner | D0ug: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxv1 |
| 17:02.26 | Solak | I-kido: hmm, well... I can't install it anyway because it's not in stable... |
| 17:02.33 | xingu | jelly-home: of course not, and it'll be a oneshot too. :) |
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| 17:02.36 | I-kido | :) |
| 17:02.55 | streuner | D0ug: ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxv1* , sorry |
| 17:02.58 | ignotus | my question rephrased: I would like to have a directory on my home Linux machine be shared to a Windows XP machine (read/write access) (at work), what options do I have? |
| 17:03.02 | Solak | I-kido: and manual install didn't work because I have to install newer versions of libraries (and if I install those, I risk an unstable system). |
| 17:03.12 | jelly-home | xingu: now, if only the user had a way to put some files on the machine :-) |
| 17:03.18 | dffh | ignotus: well, I use ssh and WinSCP plugin for Far |
| 17:03.21 | Solak | I-kido: so the only thing I can do is upgrade to 'testing' or 'unstable'. |
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| 17:03.28 | xingu | jelly-home: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Loadlin+Win95-98-ME what no networking under '95 :( |
| 17:03.39 | I-kido | Solak testing really good |
| 17:03.42 | Solak | I-kido: but I noticed under simulation that a lot of apps I use are going to be removed. |
| 17:03.47 | D0ug | ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxv1: No such file or directory |
| 17:03.53 | ignotus | dffh: I would like it to be visible as a drive (so other programs can write to it, not just winscp etc) |
| 17:04.09 | jelly-home | xingu: yeah, the pcmcia card needed extra drivers |
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| 17:04.25 | xingu | triply naff |
| 17:04.30 | dffh | ignotus: but if you want it to appear as disk drive, then, probably, the only solution <I know> is to create VPN and use samba |
| 17:04.37 | I-kido | Solak, I can try to help u with installing Etch |
| 17:04.42 | I-kido | or beryl |
| 17:04.43 | jelly-home | D0ug: you forgot the * |
| 17:05.05 | D0ug | ls: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libxv1*: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.06 | ignotus | dffh: thanks, I will do some googling on that |
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| 17:06.12 | dffh | ignotus: you're welcome. I think I can help with samba, if you encounter problems. Alas, I've never had to use VPN |
| 17:06.13 | Solak | I-kido: would be great! |
| 17:06.23 | I-kido | :) np |
| 17:06.24 | Solak | I-kido: do you have time this evening? |
| 17:06.25 | xingu | jelly-home: yep loadlin does support initrd, since v1.6 |
| 17:06.30 | I-kido | yes Solak |
| 17:06.44 | ignotus | dffh: thanks |
| 17:06.50 | I-kido | I just made a Disk Image, everything works great |
| 17:07.22 | Solak | I-kido: ok, bbl (dinner time). thanks! |
| 17:07.34 | I-kido | ok cya later |
| 17:07.38 | jelly-home | xingu: he could run debug.exe or a hexeditor and type in the whole loadlin.exe binary! :-) |
| 17:07.59 | jelly-home | xingu: and also the kernel and initrd |
| 17:09.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: there? |
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| 17:10.59 | xingu | jelly-home: I wonder if dialup/modem download is an option |
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| 17:12.19 | |ewanm89| | stoned: This pos only 636kB of ram not enough for floppix |
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| 17:12.54 | abrotman | tarzeau: elephant ? |
| 17:12.59 | rolandlakr | Oooookay. |
| 17:13.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: no. do you ever do recordings using a microphone from real instruments? |
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| 17:13.18 | jelly-home | dromer, xingu: if your machine has a serial port, you could try connecting to the working machine via serial (ppp, or a terminal program with xmodem/zmodem support) |
| 17:13.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
| 17:13.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you have any suggestion on microphone placement, quality improvement etc? other devices to use? |
| 17:13.40 | abrotman | depends on the mic AFAIK |
| 17:13.49 | jelly-home | dromer: you'd need a null-modem cable for that |
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| 17:14.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: how do you do it? i've got some recordings, of which the quality isn't too good-- |
| 17:14.17 | dromer | brrr, no idea what it is and if I want to try it .. |
| 17:14.22 | tarzeau | abrotman: made with an ipod |
| 17:14.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: if it's a smaller mic .. it's gotta be pretty close the instrument i think .. and the gain pretty high |
| 17:14.41 | rolandlakr | Okay, I've booted Debian off my harddrive, I'm going to backup my files and then change my partitions. I can resize partitions on my HD even if I'm booted off it correct? |
| 17:15.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: what software do you use for recordings if at all? audacity? |
| 17:15.21 | dromer | jelly-home: I would not know how to go about that, I think I have a better chance of finding a 2.5"->3.5"-adapter ;) |
| 17:15.22 | |ewanm89| | rolandlakr: You can't resize a mounted partition |
| 17:15.24 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 17:15.30 | Thuryn | hi |
| 17:15.35 | dromer | jelly-home: and try an instalation on another pc |
| 17:15.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: either use audacity or rosegarden |
| 17:15.50 | xingu | dromer: actually if I might make a small suggestion, you might be able to source a usb<->2.5" ide adapter |
| 17:16.12 | dromer | xingu: hmm, perhaps .. but I don't know if I feel like it :( |
| 17:16.23 | rpc | it's cool, i use one |
| 17:16.45 | dromer | xingu: if only the floppy-drive worked ... then I would be rocking with my debian-laptop atm ;) |
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| 17:16.56 | jelly-home | dromer: yeah. I wouldn't use the newest debian for that machine though, maybe 3.0 or even 2.2. something with a leaner kernel (2.2 or 2.4 series) |
| 17:17.01 | dromer | rpc: how much are they? I'd only need it for this one time really .. |
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| 17:17.14 | rolandlakr | Well i'm going to be unmounting it.. I'm not booting FROM the partition, I have my home in it's own partition. |
| 17:17.27 | rpc | dromer i bought mine for $12 (in EU though, not sure about US) |
| 17:17.28 | Okita | Hey, does apt-get install to /usr/share on all distros? I need to make a postinst, and I need to know if using that as the directory is a safe assumptino |
| 17:17.45 | tarzeau | Okita: depends what kind of file you have |
| 17:17.47 | dromer | rpc: I'm in NL |
| 17:17.52 | pickcoder | tarzeau: what kind of sound levels are you recording? |
| 17:17.58 | tarzeau | Okita: and if it's not debian, it's off-topic here |
| 17:18.11 | rpc | dromer you should be able to get one for 10-15 euros |
| 17:18.12 | tarzeau | pickcoder: what's sound levels? analog instrument, piano |
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| 17:18.39 | dromer | rpc: hmm, maybe an option. but I wouldn't know how to install to a usb-mounted hd .. |
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| 17:18.58 | rpc | dromer it's no different from a regular drive mounted inside |
| 17:19.12 | dromer | ok |
| 17:19.14 | rpc | the usb thing is basically transparent |
| 17:19.16 | dromer | will look into it .. |
| 17:19.33 | rpc | such cable is very useful, mine can do both 2.5 and 3.5 drives > USB2 |
| 17:19.52 | rpc | and it will save your ass once in a while ;) |
| 17:19.54 | xingu | mine is a rather natty ibm travelstar shell |
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| 17:20.10 | xingu | a gift from a friend who inherited a whole pallat of them |
| 17:20.13 | rpc | xingu oh i saw that one too |
| 17:20.31 | xingu | only for 2.5" hdd, but essential for rescuing failed notebooks ;) |
| 17:20.32 | rpc | wouldn't mind a pallet too :) |
| 17:21.10 | pickcoder | tarzeau: what type of mic are you using? |
| 17:21.12 | xingu | and no you don't want to build a storage array out of them before anyone asks |
| 17:21.26 | streuner | D0ug: what happens if you try to remove the package itself? |
| 17:21.28 | rpc | he he xingu |
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| 17:21.38 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i don't know. how does it matter? the larger the better? |
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| 17:21.46 | tarzeau | i mean what can you recommend? |
| 17:22.37 | n3kl | No to kick a dead horse, but last night there was some talk in here acout virtualbox. I have been looking around a bit for it and I found a packge for debian, but I was wondering if there is perhaps a source that I am missing or something that I could add so that apt would find it. Anyone have any idea? |
| 17:24.02 | xingu | oh dear god, aren't we about all hypervisored out already? |
| 17:24.22 | pickcoder | tarzeau: there's more than one kind of mic and each has its strength and limitation. Also, how are you capturing from the mic? |
| 17:24.48 | tarzeau | pickcoder: microphone to line-in on computer? |
| 17:24.54 | pickcoder | ew |
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| 17:24.57 | tarzeau | pickcoder: best to have the microphone hanging above the instrument? |
| 17:25.14 | tarzeau | ew , sounds like bad idea |
| 17:25.46 | pickcoder | unless you're just playing around, don't use a $20 sound card to capture audio to be mastered |
| 17:26.05 | tarzeau | pickcoder: a mac powerbook laptop? |
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| 17:26.24 | infernix | get a nice neumann mic and a proper soundcard |
| 17:26.27 | infernix | like an RME |
| 17:26.43 | pickcoder | we have a USB sampling box for our voice mic |
| 17:27.19 | tarzeau | pickcoder: can you show a photo of it? or tell me its name? |
| 17:27.22 | pickcoder | I'll have to look |
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| 17:27.51 | pickcoder | I'll get the model# monday |
| 17:28.06 | pickcoder | we used it for voice ads on our on-hold player |
| 17:28.16 | tarzeau | pickcoder: thanks alot. |
| 17:28.20 | Bawbag | Could someone remind me where the sudoers file is located? |
| 17:28.27 | tarzeau | Bawbag: /etc |
| 17:28.30 | Bawbag | thanks |
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| 17:29.33 | pickcoder | Bawbag: visudo to edit it, though.. |
| 17:29.51 | Bawbag | pickcoder: I genuinely forgot that.. thanks |
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| 17:30.14 | hark | n3kl: not yet in Debian, the OSE one will be in soon hopefully. You can install it from the package on the site though.. if you need it. |
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| 17:31.31 | n3kl | hark: well, I had just got xen working, but I think I like the fact that there is an interface to vbox, sorta like vmware. Someone last night mentioned its better anyway |
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| 17:33.04 | chance2105 | Is it just me, or is XFCE in Sarge memory-leaky |
| 17:33.54 | chance2105 | As in .. Gnome runs on this box (with modest RAM) alright. XFCE starts up OK, but after a day, I'm swapping. |
| 17:33.54 | abrotman | that's a bit vague |
| 17:34.47 | sidjster | how much ram do you have i mean im in my swap almost as soon as i open a media player |
| 17:34.54 | hark | n3kl: well, you can google for performance reviews and such, but it's like vmware, missing a few features and has a few good ones too.. |
| 17:35.51 | chance2105 | Yeah, I know it's vague. It's been a nagging problem I've tried to resolve periodically over time (I prefer XFCE) but I haven't been able to get at the root cause. |
| 17:35.51 | abrotman | chance2105: vmstat shows si/so numbers ? |
| 17:35.51 | hark | n3kl: http://archive.daniel-baumann.ch/debian/packages-tmp/virtualbox/ <-- maybe try this? |
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| 17:37.38 | rolandlakr | Well I think I messed up :| |
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| 17:38.34 | wwallace | is there something like a command that if i change all the hd's and only leave the hda i mean the system hd theres a command that can tell fstab to redect? |
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| 17:38.38 | hark | chance2105: fwiw, there's #debian-xfce as well.. |
| 17:38.53 | valdyn | wwallace: no |
| 17:38.55 | ranphatje | how can i make a shortcut from one directory to another? |
| 17:39.02 | abrotman | man ln |
| 17:39.03 | wwallace | why not |
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| 17:39.11 | wwallace | isnt linux supposeto be powerfull |
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| 17:39.18 | wwallace | i think someone should work on that |
| 17:39.26 | abrotman | wwallace: go for it |
| 17:39.29 | valdyn | wwallace: because that's a stupid idea? because no one wrote it? |
| 17:39.38 | valdyn | wwallace: go ahead |
| 17:39.42 | wwallace | stupid? |
| 17:39.43 | wwallace | why |
| 17:39.46 | lindi- | Any idea why http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=reportbug;dist=sid shows #322739 as resolved but http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=reportbug;dist=unstable shows it as outstanding? |
| 17:39.48 | wwallace | i keep on changing hd's |
| 17:39.51 | wwallace | all the time |
| 17:39.56 | wwallace | i dont tyhink is stupid |
| 17:40.05 | abrotman | !dbugs 322739 |
| 17:40.08 | dpkg | DONE:#322739:I[reportbug] querybts fails to retrieve bug reports; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:03:05 UTC |
| 17:40.08 | Bawbag | Can someone recommend me a light X WM that isn't as spartan as WindowMaker yet more lightwieght than Gnome? |
| 17:40.23 | abrotman | lindi-: it's marked done apparently |
| 17:40.29 | Bawbag | I mean, a good one. :P |
| 17:40.50 | sidjster | xfce |
| 17:40.51 | lindi- | abrotman: yeah but i'm wondering why the web interface still shows it as outstanding in "unstable" but not in "sid" |
| 17:41.12 | hark | Bawbag: Gnome's a DE.. you can use any wm you prefer with it.. |
| 17:41.38 | chance2105 | abrotman: Right now, si/so shows zero in vmstat, I'm barely in swap this morning (started last night). Thanks for the ping .. I'll wait until later today and come back so I can discuss specific processes. |
| 17:41.43 | cusco | Bawbag: xfce |
| 17:42.27 | abrotman | lindi-: marked done on both pages |
| 17:42.27 | sidjster | its uses metacity as default now if thaty aint light weight enough |
| 17:42.27 | chance2105 | hark: thanks |
| 17:42.27 | valdyn | wwallace: harddisks and partitions can be mounted by ID, that id is in /dev/disk/by-id/, if you use udev. You can mount all partitions-ID once udev is up and running |
| 17:42.28 | abrotman | chance2105: wait til the si/so numbers go up .. then you can try to see why |
| 17:42.28 | lindi- | abrotman: yes, but it's under "Outstanding bugs -- Important bugs; Unclassified (15 bugs)' |
| 17:42.43 | wwallace | well dont blame me for this |
| 17:42.46 | panthera | valdyn, wwallace: no need to, if one uses LABEL= notation in fstab, this works without udev. |
| 17:42.58 | abrotman | lindi-: and is marked done |
| 17:43.01 | wwallace | but when you load hd;'s in windows thaty just get detected no ffuss no buzz |
| 17:43.04 | valdyn | panthera: ah, true |
| 17:43.13 | wwallace | flame me |
| 17:43.14 | pickcoder | wwallace: no they don't... you have to format them |
| 17:43.14 | wwallace | sorry |
| 17:43.18 | wwallace | no |
| 17:43.25 | wwallace | if they are already formated |
| 17:43.34 | wwallace | my point is |
| 17:43.38 | valdyn | wwallace: thats a not really true |
| 17:43.39 | pickcoder | wwallace: no hard disks come from the manuf with a filesystem |
| 17:43.44 | wwallace | i want to add a damn ntfs to a linux box |
| 17:43.53 | wwallace | and i have to remove the linux hd |
| 17:43.57 | valdyn | wwallace: windows cant even boot from D: if you move C: to D: |
| 17:43.58 | wwallace | and put this windows one |
| 17:44.12 | wwallace | pick |
| 17:44.16 | wwallace | an already use hd |
| 17:44.20 | wwallace | on another puter |
| 17:44.26 | lindi- | abrotman: sorry to bother you more (maybe it's my limited english vocabulary) but shouldn't the bug be fixed under 'resolved' if it has been marked done? |
| 17:44.30 | valdyn | wwallace: unused disks can be treated just the same in linux, that has _nothing_ to do with fstab |
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| 17:44.41 | abrotman | lindi-: maybe because it was merged ? |
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| 17:44.52 | Mooi | Hello, what does "exit code 10" mean? I cannot find it listed :| |
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| 17:45.10 | valdyn | wwallace: but automounting 'everything found' is silly |
| 17:45.10 | abrotman | lindi-: see how it was merged with 322720 .. 322720 is marked resolved |
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| 17:45.27 | wwallace | ok valdyn thanks for your time |
| 17:45.32 | lindi- | abrotman: hmm indeed |
| 17:45.49 | capiira | hi is there a trick to add the unstable repositories to the testing but keep debian autoupdating from testing sources only? |
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| 17:46.04 | jelly-home | !tell capiira about pinning |
| 17:46.41 | abrotman | lindi-: make sense now ? |
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| 17:46.57 | lindi- | abrotman: possibly :/ |
| 17:47.12 | capiira | thx jelly |
| 17:47.19 | lindi- | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:47.47 | valdyn | capiira: keep in mind that this is dangerous, as unstable stuff can pull more unstable stuff than you want |
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| 17:48.54 | capiira | yeah im not going to update hardcore system stuff |
| 17:49.11 | capiira | just few apps like xara or filezilla azureus etc. :) |
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| 17:50.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: let's play with the bot again! |
| 17:50.19 | Bawbag | are there any good graphical FTP clients for Linux? I used GFTP for some time, but it's a terrible client |
| 17:50.38 | capiira | im going to test filezilla for a while |
| 17:50.41 | Solak | I-kido: I'm back... |
| 17:50.47 | abrotman | Bawbag: which desktop are you using ? |
| 17:51.14 | I-kido | Hee Solak |
| 17:53.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: nah, have some cleaning to do, it's more interesting :-) |
| 17:54.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: heh |
| 17:54.49 | jelly-home | Bawbag: why graphical? |
| 17:54.51 | Bawbag | abrotman: Gnome |
| 17:55.02 | abrotman | Bawbag: nautilus can do ftp IIRC |
| 17:55.06 | Bawbag | Pretty colours make me feel more comfortable |
| 17:55.16 | Bawbag | Really? |
| 17:55.19 | Bawbag | Thanks |
| 17:55.20 | I-kido | Solak... |
| 17:55.23 | abrotman | or use a web browser |
| 17:55.37 | jelly-home | Bawbag: I find lftp's feature set decent, but it's not a GUI app |
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| 17:56.04 | hark | there's filezilla.. |
| 17:56.21 | jelly-home | Bawbag: throw in some pretty background for xterm for good measure, so you'll feel more comfortable |
| 17:56.34 | Bawbag | jelly-home: I'll do that. |
| 17:57.01 | Bawbag | I still have a lot of my old Windows habits |
| 17:57.45 | Bawbag | like the "quality is defined by the colours in the GUI" mindset |
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| 17:58.15 | capiira | thats how we are |
| 17:58.38 | capiira | i prefer a decent looking pizza too even if a shaked one would taste equal :) |
| 17:58.49 | xingu | gui ftp client? talk about spit polishing a turd |
| 17:58.59 | Bawbag | Haha |
| 17:59.16 | raf256 | xingu: unfortuntally debian do not have real FTP gui client |
| 17:59.21 | raf256 | nor real SFTP client by the way |
| 17:59.39 | raf256 | (if real means = supporting fully given protocol and stable) |
| 18:00.05 | abrotman | filezilla is real |
| 18:00.13 | raf256 | hmm |
| 18:00.17 | Bawbag | woot, there appears to be an FTP client extension for Firefox |
| 18:00.22 | abrotman | !info filezilla etch |
| 18:00.27 | dpkg | filezilla: (Port of the famous Win32 graphical FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.0~beta2-3 (etch), Packaged size: 677 kB, Installed size: 1704 kB |
| 18:00.49 | hark | Bawbag: yes, fireftp |
| 18:00.53 | Bawbag | abrotman: I thought Filezilla was Windows-only.. I'll have to try that now |
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| 18:01.51 | capiira | i would accidentally close the ftp client all the time using it as a firefox plugin |
| 18:02.34 | raf256 | Bawbag: lol same here |
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| 18:03.19 | abrotman | nautilus and konq both do ftp .. as do most web browsers |
| 18:03.21 | alfatau | hello, i want to reinstall windows on my pc, but i have linux installed too in another partition. I know after win installation grub boot sector will be replaced and i will no longer be able to boot linux, so what can i do to restore grub after win installation? |
| 18:03.44 | xingu | !info curlftpfs etch |
| 18:04.11 | dpkg | curlftpfs: (filesystem to access FTP hosts based on FUSE and cURL), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.9-2 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 18:04.12 | capiira | fxp and such things too ? |
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| 18:04.21 | capiira | or search no the ftp server |
| 18:04.24 | capiira | on |
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| 18:05.13 | hark | capiira: apt-cache search fxp |
| 18:05.43 | Bawbag | should I use a GUI-based IRC client or a CLI one? |
| 18:05.57 | capiira | use xchat thats nice :) |
| 18:06.18 | Bawbag | I don't like Xchat a whole lot, and Konversation and Gaim are awful for IRC |
| 18:06.31 | tarzeau | Bawbag: i prefer irssi in a gnu screen |
| 18:06.42 | jelly-home | Bawbag: you could give irssi a try -- it's text mode |
| 18:06.55 | Bawbag | thanks |
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| 18:07.13 | capiira | me too |
| 18:07.16 | Bawbag | I'll probably end up going for Wine + mIRC. haha |
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| 18:07.37 | h3sp4wn | I like irssi but it cannot do a verticle split (unless someone knows of a patch) |
| 18:07.45 | jelly-home | Bawbag: if it works well, why not (wine+mIRC) |
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| 18:08.03 | capiira | i'm a anti wine |
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| 18:08.09 | alfatau | hello, i want to reinstall windows on my pc, but i have linux installed too in another partition. I know after win installation grub boot sector will be replaced and i will no longer be able to boot linux, so what can i do to restore grub after win installation? |
| 18:08.14 | jelly-home | capiira: a beer person, huh |
| 18:08.20 | capiira | heh |
| 18:08.25 | capiira | cocktails |
| 18:08.38 | tarzeau | alfatau: use a live cd to fix grub? |
| 18:08.59 | tarzeau | alfatau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/grub/fixing.txt |
| 18:09.04 | xingu | capiira: sex on the beach? |
| 18:09.16 | capiira | yeah tastes good :) |
| 18:09.19 | hark | alfatau: or /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 18:09.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: nice one, isn't it? http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/zurich/tiefenbrunnen.jpg |
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| 18:10.36 | abrotman | tarzeau: what is it ? |
| 18:11.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: a sundown photo i made, in zurich, reflected by a bureau complex |
| 18:11.15 | abrotman | oh |
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| 18:11.43 | xingu | are they spuds on the billboard? |
| 18:11.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: uploading 150 or so photos from istanbul... |
| 18:12.02 | raf256 | jesus christ |
| 18:12.18 | raf256 | yet another freaking crazy bug! that's it |
| 18:12.31 | tarzeau | raf256: in where? |
| 18:12.36 | xingu | crazy as a coconut/ that guy needs therapy |
| 18:12.38 | raf256 | try typing [[ and a nick |
| 18:12.47 | raf256 | [[ foo ]] gives http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=foo |
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| 18:13.11 | raf256 | yes I know. it's not a bug its a feauture |
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| 18:15.26 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:15.42 | pm2 | Is there a text-mode bittorrent client that lets you specify which files you want to download? |
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| 18:15.59 | Bhaal | Why isnt 'setrlimit' and 'getrlimit' in any packages yet? |
| 18:16.02 | jelly-home | raf256: if your bios allows, yes. But then there's no need to have a separate partition at all |
| 18:16.25 | tarzeau | Bhaal: where's the source url? |
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| 18:17.02 | xored | i have problem installing CGI::Session because e.g. ftp://cpan.noris.de/pub/CPAN/authors/id/M/MA/MARKSTOS/CGI-Session-4.05.tar.gz is not accessable in the scipt..he just waits all the type for getting the file..same with 01mailrc.txt.gz ... trying it trough lftp works in the console |
| 18:17.04 | Bhaal | tarzeau: Well when I look at the man pages for ulimit it says that its depreciated... |
| 18:17.14 | Zer0_lft | What's better? uplash, splashy or bootsplash? |
| 18:17.14 | raf256 | jelly-home: hard drive have 3 40 GB partitions, hda1 is windows, can I install debian into hda2 and MBR into hda? |
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| 18:17.33 | tarzeau | Bhaal: ulimit(3) ? |
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| 18:17.46 | jelly-home | xored: which release are you using? There's libcgi-session-perl in testing |
| 18:18.09 | Bhaal | yah |
| 18:18.23 | tarzeau | Bhaal: i can't find depreciated in the ulimit manpage (3) |
| 18:18.25 | ybanafa | I installed sarge3.1r4 2weeks agoo ..but today my computer very sloww (P-D 805 with 1Gig of ram ) |
| 18:18.31 | robin_sz | is there a Linux package you can use to do page layouts? like Adobe Pagemaker / Quark / whatever |
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| 18:18.50 | tarzeau | Bhaal: this or something else? Linux 2.0 1998-06-12 |
| 18:18.55 | jelly-home | raf256: no idea, try it |
| 18:19.08 | Bhaal | tarzeau: DESCRIPTION |
| 18:19.08 | Bhaal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.16 | tarzeau | robin_sz: for single pages i like cenon.app, there's some other vector tools, but it's not really for page layouts |
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| 18:19.44 | robin_sz | tarzeau, I was thinking of stuff for brocures and catalogues ... |
| 18:19.50 | subopt | I'm installing Etch with encrypted LVM. It appears to be doing mkfs right now, but looks stalled. Does it take a lot longer to make an encrypted fs? 'lot longer' -> '>= 1 order of magnitude longer'. |
| 18:19.57 | jelly-home | Bhaal: I have manuals for those syscalls on testing |
| 18:20.05 | tarzeau | robin_sz: use some professional software, or write it :) |
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| 18:20.20 | Bhaal | jelly-home: As do I... But not the commands |
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| 18:20.38 | robin_sz | tarzeau, well, yes professional software was what I had in mind .. just wondered if anyone knew of any# |
| 18:20.42 | ybanafa | I installed sarge3.1r4 2weeks agoo ..but today my computer very sloww (P-D 805 with 1Gig of ram ) |
| 18:20.44 | {Nathan} | My apt is broken -- look at http://rafb.net/p/PrlYKN31.html . Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 18:20.51 | jelly-home | Bhaal: where did you find the commands? |
| 18:20.56 | abrotman | {Nathan}: cook the hot pocket longer |
| 18:21.10 | Bhaal | jelly-home: I havent... |
| 18:21.12 | Zer0_lft | What's better? uplash, splashy or bootsplash? |
| 18:21.12 | {Nathan} | abrotman, It was cold in the middle |
| 18:21.14 | tarzeau | robin_sz: adobe has some. illustrator? |
| 18:21.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:21.26 | jelly-home | Bhaal: how do you know there are any, then? |
| 18:21.27 | Bhaal | But bittorrent is trying to use setrlimit.. |
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| 18:21.39 | xingu | Bhaal: |
| 18:21.53 | Bhaal | jelly-home: I dont know if there are |
| 18:21.54 | xingu | Bhaal: bash ulimit builtin uses {get,set}rlimit |
| 18:21.55 | jayeola | hey chaps. cmpletely lost the mouse. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg && /etc/init.d/gdm restart wont start it. any advice |
| 18:22.08 | Bhaal | xingu: Fairymuff |
| 18:22.15 | jayeola | ^^ ibm thinkpad x30 |
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| 18:22.32 | tarzeau | {Nathan}: /var/lib/dpkg/available edit that file, there's a problem around line 113 |
| 18:22.40 | jayeola | also note that gpm aint starting either for some reason |
| 18:22.47 | tarzeau | s,around,near, |
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| 18:23.13 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 18:23.15 | {Nathan} | tarzeau, I have, and I can't find the problem. Also, I've edited around 4 errors already. |
| 18:23.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: btw i didn't like eephant that much |
| 18:23.37 | Ramattack | does anybody know where could I find a list of supported ups for nut on debian? |
| 18:23.59 | abrotman | tarzeau: you told me to try it |
| 18:24.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried it? |
| 18:24.25 | abrotman | nope |
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| 18:27.09 | Ramattack | seen thanks |
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| 18:27.11 | Ramattack | bye! |
| 18:27.18 | dvs | bye |
| 18:27.23 | abrotman | selfhelp is good! |
| 18:27.36 | Zer0_lft | splashy exist for DEBIAN ETCH? |
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| 18:28.01 | jelly-home | !info splashy etch |
| 18:28.08 | Zer0_lft | !info splashy etch |
| 18:28.11 | Zer0_lft | tkz |
| 18:28.44 | bluesfx | while installing Etch (in the step "Install the base system") i'm getting this error message: "Debootsrap error - Failed getting Release signature file - file://cdrom/dists/etch/Release.gpg" ... anyone knows what the problem may be? |
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| 18:29.20 | Zer0_lft | !info splashy etch |
| 18:29.40 | abrotman | !+info splashy etch |
| 18:29.42 | dpkg | Package 'splashy' does not exist. |
| 18:29.43 | hark | !why is splashy not in testing |
| 18:29.43 | dpkg | splashy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=splashy |
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| 18:30.02 | abrotman | {Nathan}: ask #ubuntu .. not us |
| 18:30.21 | hark | you can get it from Sid, should be no problem with dependencies as such.. |
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| 18:30.31 | Zer0_lft | hmm |
| 18:30.50 | {Nathan} | abrotman, oka |
| 18:30.52 | {Nathan} | okay* |
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| 18:31.54 | hark | !depends splashy sid |
| 18:32.00 | dpkg | splashy: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libmagic1, libsplashy0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) |
| 18:33.22 | hark | bluesfx: is it the RC1 installer? |
| 18:34.43 | hark | or a buggy daily image.. |
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| 18:36.16 | bluesfx | hark: it's the amd64 netinst image, downloaded it here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 18:36.26 | abrotman | they should really just pull the RC1 images |
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| 18:37.17 | Zer0_lft | abrotoman, in next 7 days, it's going to testing? |
| 18:37.45 | bkhl | I have a question about Vixie cron. It complains about unterminated " or ' when I put in a command like |
| 18:37.46 | bkhl | @reboot afuse -o mount_template="sshfs -o reconnect -o gid=100 -o idmap=user %r: %m" -o unmount_template="fusermount -u -z %m" ~/mnt/ssh/ |
| 18:37.46 | bkhl | (Same with dash, bash and zsh) |
| 18:37.46 | bkhl | Does cron do its own (bad) word splitting, and is there some way to work around it, other than putting the whole thing in a separate script? |
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| 18:38.12 | bkhl | I have a question about Vixie cron. It complains about unterminated " or ' when I put in a command like |
| 18:38.16 | bkhl | @reboot afuse -o mount_template="sshfs -o reconnect -o gid=100 -o idmap=user %r: %m" -o unmount_template="fusermount -u -z %m" ~/mnt/ssh/ |
| 18:38.20 | pipeline | Don't repeat your questions, ass |
| 18:38.21 | bkhl | (Same with dash, bash and zsh) |
| 18:38.24 | bkhl | Does cron do its own (bad) word splitting, and is there some way to work around it, other than putting the whole thing in a separate script? |
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| 18:38.39 | bkhl | I didn't know how much of it got through, dick. |
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| 18:39.50 | amphi | !sunday |
| 18:39.51 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 18:39.58 | raf256 | is there a www page that will advice me how to setup my partitions? when I input how much space I have free, do I need linux etc |
| 18:40.17 | bkhl | amphi: sorry, I shouldn't have payed him no mind. |
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| 18:41.10 | bkhl | raf256: for a desktop system, I'd advice you to just have partition of a few GB for the system, and make the rest /home |
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| 18:41.31 | jayeola | um, any laptop users here? |
| 18:41.36 | bkhl | jayeola: yes. |
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| 18:42.03 | phogg | jayeola: no; laptops are so 20th century |
| 18:42.12 | jayeola | ok, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. mouse aint responding (thinkpad x30) |
| 18:42.18 | bkhl | I'm a bit old-fashioned that way. |
| 18:42.24 | jayeola | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.28 | amphi | bkhl: stinpads are nice IMHO; I have a T42 ATM |
| 18:42.30 | apk | jayeola: Which device is your xorg.conf using for the mouse? |
| 18:42.38 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:42.46 | sepski | jayeola, selecty /dev/input/mice, and make sure kernel modules mousedev and psmouse and usbmouse is loaded |
| 18:42.47 | jayeola | that's just it apk , nothing works anymore |
| 18:42.53 | raf256 | there was some restriction... but what exacly? the /boot? or ther MBR? |
| 18:43.01 | bkhl | amphi: I love it, but it's dying, and has a quirky USB interface. I should get an X-something. |
| 18:43.02 | phogg | raf256: depends on your bootloader. AFAIK grub and lilo don't care. |
| 18:43.08 | amphi | jayeola: /dev/psaux unless you're using gpm as a repeater |
| 18:43.15 | bkhl | raf256: you probably don't have to think about that. |
| 18:43.24 | sepski | jayeola, allways use /dev/input/mice |
| 18:43.24 | amphi | bkhl: yeah, I'd like an x60 |
| 18:43.32 | phogg | or at least grub and lilo have for a long time been fixed not to care |
| 18:43.35 | jayeola | _sheesh_ why didn't i think of that ;/ |
| 18:43.49 | bkhl | amphi: I'm looking for an X40 with a windows-key-less keyboard. |
| 18:44.02 | apk | bkhl: amphi: Don't get a ThinkPad. Since Lenovo took over, quality has gone down the toilet. |
| 18:44.10 | bkhl | jayeola: that's what I do, anyway. |
| 18:44.20 | phogg | jayeola: for thinkpad-specific mouse issues, have you been to thinkwiki? |
| 18:44.20 | amphi | apk: the x60 looked fine to me |
| 18:44.22 | bkhl | apk: well, I wasn't planning on getting a new one. Way over my budget. |
| 18:44.23 | jayeola | leveno from china? can't they make laptops? |
| 18:44.26 | raf256 | bkhl: I do have, since there is a windows on first partition... and I wonder can the /boot be after it or not |
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| 18:44.39 | phogg | jayeola: lenovo bought IBMs PC division, including the laptops |
| 18:44.45 | amphi | apk: lenovo made them for ibm for years |
| 18:45.09 | bkhl | raf256: it will most likely be fine to not have a separate partition for /boot at all. |
| 18:45.19 | apk | amphi: My boss and I recently got T43's. Keys popping off. My battery makes a constant buzzing sound. A few dead pixels after a few weeks. And the ATI (fglrx) drivers suck. |
| 18:45.21 | phogg | Since lenovo took over they added a Win key, Sell-outs. |
| 18:45.25 | Caitriona | a lot of lenovo's production is in RTP anyway. |
| 18:45.33 | bkhl | raf256: and even more likely if you do like you suggest. |
| 18:45.46 | amphi | phogg: yeah - another metakey doesn't really do any harm |
| 18:45.56 | bkhl | phogg: they did that before that, at least on the ones with international keyboards. |
| 18:46.17 | jelly-home | phogg: you can order Winless keyboards I think |
| 18:46.27 | bkhl | phogg: I got one used from the UK, since I don't like 104/105-key keyboards at all. |
| 18:46.33 | phogg | amphi: I liked the unspoken principle involved in omitting the win key in today's windows-dominated world. |
| 18:46.54 | amphi | phogg: yeah, I know what you mean; this t42 has no windows keys |
| 18:47.02 | apk | Does anybody make a quality laptop with a 1400x1050 (not widescreen) LCD and 3 mouse buttons and a trackpoint? |
| 18:47.13 | phogg | amphi: the R series had none until the R60, Lenovo's first model. |
| 18:47.19 | bkhl | Especially on the X models the windows keys are horrible, since it means all the modifiers has to be tiny. |
| 18:47.19 | amphi | apk: apart from lenovo? ;) |
| 18:47.31 | amphi | phogg: T series the same, AFAIK |
| 18:47.32 | apk | amphi: Yeah. I won't buy _anything_ from IBM anymore. |
| 18:47.34 | bkhl | Of course if they were smart they'd shrink the space bar, but what can you do… |
| 18:47.34 | jelly-home | amphi: oh it does on laptops, where adding a key means smaller Ctrl and Alt |
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| 18:47.47 | amphi | jelly-home: true |
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| 18:48.11 | bkhl | I really don't see why the space bar has to be more than three regular keys wide. That's where the thumbs should be anyway. |
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| 18:49.05 | jelly-home | bkhl: my thumbs are below C and M :-P |
| 18:49.23 | amphi | ;) |
| 18:49.33 | rolandlakr | Well I think I messed up alittle bit on this. |
| 18:49.40 | rolandlakr | I resized my partitions. |
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| 18:49.49 | rolandlakr | and now KDE only opens when i'm logged as root.. |
| 18:49.51 | apk | The wear on my spacebar indicates that I only use my right thumb, and only directly underneath N. |
| 18:49.52 | jelly-home | bkhl: so that's 5 keys, I wouldn't want it to be any smaller |
| 18:50.31 | rolandlakr | apk: my spacebar is worn right below N too, you can't see it but it's reaaaly smooth right there. |
| 18:50.34 | bkhl | That tells me you hold your elbows to wide, i.e. sit to close. |
| 18:50.36 | dvs | jelly-home: imagine how long it was before the Windows keys |
| 18:51.09 | rolandlakr | haha, alt to alt :D |
| 18:51.12 | jelly-home | dvs: about the same, ctrl and alt were quite larger on earlier thinkpad keyboards |
| 18:51.13 | bkhl | Or that you have really short thumbs. ;-) |
| 18:51.25 | jelly-home | bkhl: that too :-) |
| 18:51.33 | dvs | jelly-home: oh? we're talking about laptops? |
| 18:51.43 | ewanm89 | You mean the super key! |
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| 18:51.51 | ewanm89 | :) |
| 18:52.01 | jelly-home | dvs: I thought we were, yes |
| 18:52.21 | dvs | jelly-home: I came late to the party |
| 18:52.21 | bkhl | In particular, the old TP keyboards are almost symmetrical. |
| 18:53.01 | apk | I want Apple to make a laptop with 3 mouse buttons and a trackpoint. |
| 18:53.01 | raf256 | dvs: Acer laptops sucks donkey balls |
| 18:53.10 | rolandlakr | I wish I could figure out WHY I can't use KDE on my normal user accounts now.. |
| 18:53.20 | raf256 | dvs: try HP, but not too new (avoid fancy hardware) |
| 18:53.31 | valdyn | i dont own 'lenovo' thinkpad, but their service still rocks |
| 18:53.33 | raf256 | nx6110 seem to be very linux friendly and debian friendly |
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| 18:54.05 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: Try mv .kde .kde_old under failsafe then login to kde |
| 18:54.33 | apk | What is the deal with these "widescreen" laptops? Why do people want the top 150 rows of pixels chopped off? |
| 18:54.47 | valdyn | apk: to watch dvds? |
| 18:54.49 | sidjster | its wide screen man |
| 18:54.55 | sidjster | lmao |
| 18:55.01 | jayeola | uh, what what the name of that module to load for the thinkpad? |
| 18:55.02 | bkhl | apk: what valdyn says, but still keep them somewhat compact. |
| 18:55.05 | sidjster | its ok for a 42 in tv |
| 18:55.13 | bkhl | jayeola: ibmacpi or something like that. |
| 18:55.17 | jayeola | k |
| 18:55.23 | bkhl | jayeola: ibm_acpi |
| 18:55.28 | apk | valdyn: So what? I can watch DVDs. I just have 50 rows of dark pixels on top and bottom. I'd rather have the extra screen space while working. |
| 18:55.35 | sidjster | me also |
| 18:55.36 | rolandlakr | ewanm89: what do you mean? |
| 18:55.43 | jelly-home | apk: it's not the top 200 pixels are chopped off, but 128 are added on both sides |
| 18:55.53 | bkhl | While working I'd want a vertical screen. |
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| 18:56.10 | bkhl | Too bad laptops with rotatable screens are all pretty expensive. |
| 18:56.14 | apk | jelly-home: I see 1400x1050 vs. 1400x900. That sounds like a chop to me. |
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| 18:56.23 | rolandlakr | What is the command to create a new account? I'll try making a new one and see if they boot KDE. |
| 18:56.25 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: Why can't you use kde |
| 18:56.34 | bkhl | Also X wasn't too good at handling that stuff, when I had a rotatable desk screen. |
| 18:56.42 | bkhl | rolandlakr: adduser |
| 18:56.43 | jelly-home | apk: 1400x1050 and 1400x900 don't use the same DPI |
| 18:56.45 | rolandlakr | ewanm89: when I try to startx from anything but root it gives me a few timeout errors |
| 18:57.11 | xavior2180 | why doesn't mencoder come with mplayer? |
| 18:57.13 | valdyn | rolandlakr: you likely fucked up permissions |
| 18:57.22 | bkhl | rolandlakr: have you checked .xsession-errors and the X/KDM logs? |
| 18:57.35 | valdyn | xavior2180: why do you care? |
| 18:57.36 | jelly-home | apk: a better comparison would probably be 1400x1050 vs 1680x1050 |
| 18:57.38 | bkhl | xavior2180: em... it does... |
| 18:57.40 | rolandlakr | bkhl: No I haven't. |
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| 18:57.49 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: so run sudo .kde .kde_old && startx |
| 18:58.03 | xavior2180 | bkhl: it's supposed to, but i don't have it, but i do have mplayer |
| 18:58.05 | flipmcf | hi. having a problem upgrading libc - see #flood. Not sure how to beat this. |
| 18:58.17 | bkhl | ewanm89: s/sudo/mv/, I presume |
| 18:58.27 | rolandlakr | how do you remove a user? i want to get that out of the way first. |
| 18:58.36 | flipmcf | " trying to overwrite `/usr/share/zoneinfo/posix/America/North_Dakota/New_Salem', which is also in package tzdata " |
| 18:58.48 | ewanm89 | bkhl: yes |
| 18:58.49 | bkhl | xavior2180: I built my .deb from the mplayer source (which is simple), and it included mencoder |
| 18:58.52 | apk | jelly-home: I'd rather have 1400x1050 at 12" wide and 9" tall than 1680x1050 at 12" wide and 7.x" tall. |
| 18:58.54 | valdyn | flipmcf: where is that libc6 from? |
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| 18:59.06 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: so run "sudo mv .kde .kde_old && startx" |
| 18:59.07 | bkhl | xavior2180: might have to do with missing some libraries when you build it, I guess (if you did that too) |
| 18:59.23 | xavior2180 | yeah, i guess so |
| 18:59.26 | bkhl | ewanm89: why sudo? |
| 18:59.30 | xavior2180 | why can't it just come with mplayer like it's supposed to? |
| 18:59.31 | flipmcf | valdyn from sarge dist |
| 18:59.40 | valdyn | flipmcf: and the old one? |
| 18:59.46 | mina_linux_Tux | URGENT, i'm using sarge which uses php 4.3.10-16 , how to update to php 4.4 |
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| 18:59.55 | flipmcf | valdyn, yeah. Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 (using .../libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5_i386.deb) |
| 18:59.56 | ewanm89 | bkhl: permissions might be a problem |
| 18:59.56 | bkhl | rolandlakr: deluser removes users. |
| 19:00.17 | dvs | raf256: I was going to buy an HP but I've heard too many incompatiblilty problems with them. |
| 19:00.19 | bkhl | ewanm89: you mean they might have gotten mixed up in the file system resizing? |
| 19:00.26 | justin | xavior2180: where did you get mplayer from? |
| 19:00.26 | valdyn | flipmcf: oo, look at the bts |
| 19:00.28 | defcon8 | which is the kde meta-package? |
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| 19:00.33 | xavior2180 | apt-get |
| 19:00.38 | xavior2180 | er.. |
| 19:00.40 | xavior2180 | justin: apt-get |
| 19:00.46 | jelly-home | apk: um, widescreens are wider than the 4:3 counterparts ;-) |
| 19:00.56 | justin | xavior2180: did you try getting mencoder using the same method? |
| 19:00.57 | flipmcf | valdyn, not following you.... |
| 19:00.57 | rolandlakr | run that command as the user account I want ot log on? |
| 19:01.03 | xavior2180 | justin: yeah |
| 19:01.05 | sepski | mina_linux_Tux, i think specifying URGENT in front of your question might trigger a mental ignore in many people. you can get php5 from backports atlesst |
| 19:01.06 | flipmcf | valdyn, what are bts ? |
| 19:01.16 | xavior2180 | justin: it's not in the repositories by itself it seems |
| 19:01.17 | sepski | !bts |
| 19:01.18 | valdyn | !bts |
| 19:01.18 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 19:01.24 | valdyn | !info libc6 sarge |
| 19:01.25 | apk | jelly-home: Then your laptop is bigger. I just like the 4:3 ratio better I guess. |
| 19:01.28 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 (sarge), Packaged size: 4911 kB, Installed size: 15624 kB |
| 19:01.33 | flipmcf | valdyn, gracias |
| 19:01.35 | jelly-home | apk: yep, it is bigger. |
| 19:01.35 | ewanm89 | bkhl: Unlikely but possible it's only kde causing problems so I was trying to create fresh kde profile |
| 19:01.44 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: Yes |
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| 19:02.07 | defcon8 | xavior2180, really? |
| 19:02.11 | bkhl | ewanm89: yeah, I got that part. I just thought the account in question should be able to mv .kde itself. |
| 19:02.11 | defcon8 | is it not free or something? |
| 19:02.33 | rolandlakr | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/harley/.serverauth.3167 |
| 19:02.33 | rolandlakr | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/harley/.Xauthority |
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| 19:02.56 | jelly-home | apk: coming from 1024x768, I got used to widescreen 1280x800 at the same DPI quickly |
| 19:02.58 | bkhl | defcon8: you really want to build mplayer optimised for your platform, so making a generally usable binary package is really hard. |
| 19:03.02 | xavior2180 | defcon8: from what i'm reading, it looks like i have to 'apt pin' mplayer from another repository |
| 19:03.03 | ewanm89 | bkhl: Unless it's the profile permissions not allowing kde login so sudo makes sure first time |
| 19:03.10 | defcon8 | bkhl, I want kde |
| 19:03.12 | xavior2180 | defcon8: to get mplayer, i mean |
| 19:03.13 | apk | I wonder if you could make money buying Apple Macbooks in bulk and modifying them to have a 3 button mouse. |
| 19:03.20 | dvs | raf256: you there? |
| 19:03.25 | raf256 | dvs: yes |
| 19:03.26 | amphi | apk: there's a thought |
| 19:03.34 | sepski | flipmcf, i dont see a packjage tzdata in sarge. if you remove that package (wherever you got it from) libc6 should upgrade |
| 19:03.38 | Anthro | I'm looking for a commandline tool to convert SVG to PDF. Anyone know of one? |
| 19:03.40 | bkhl | defcon8: oh, right, I thought you talked about the other thing. |
| 19:03.43 | apk | amphi: I'd pay an extra $100 for that, no question. |
| 19:03.48 | dvs | raf256: I was going to get an HP but I've heard about too many problems with them lately |
| 19:03.49 | raf256 | dvs: I got HP nx6110 with debian (testing) - it works perfectly |
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| 19:03.50 | bkhl | defcon8: the kde metapackage is the one just called 'kde', I think. |
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| 19:03.52 | rolandlakr | Anthro :D |
| 19:03.54 | valdyn | !info tzdata sarge |
| 19:03.59 | rolandlakr | I love the word anthropomorphic :| |
| 19:04.03 | defcon8 | bkhl, thakns |
| 19:04.04 | apk | Too bad Sun doesn't make laptops. |
| 19:04.09 | Anthro | rolandlakr: heh |
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| 19:04.14 | valdyn | flipmcf: dpkg -l | tail -1 tzdata |
| 19:04.15 | Anthro | apk: They did at one time. |
| 19:04.16 | amphi | apk: tadpole.com ;) |
| 19:04.22 | valdyn | flipmcf: dpkg -l tzdata | tail -1 |
| 19:04.29 | sepski | flipmcf, there is a tzdata in etch tho. |
| 19:04.52 | rolandlakr | KDE is pretending to boot now.. |
| 19:04.54 | raf256 | dvs: btw are you interested in linux hardware compatiblity problems? comapny I work in is starting action to help people in that area, fell free to add our jabberID to your list if you use jhabber that is :) limcore-hardware@jabber.org |
| 19:04.55 | apk | amphi: How is the build quality and reliability of those? |
| 19:04.56 | sepski | so either you'r running etch and are trying to aply a sarge upgrade, BAD. or you run sarge and have a package from etch also BAD. |
| 19:05.05 | amphi | apk: I've never seen one |
| 19:05.07 | rolandlakr | it's sitting there like it wants to go to the slash screen.. |
| 19:05.12 | raf256 | dvs: I can guarantee you that nx6110 HP works perfectly with debian (testing) |
| 19:05.16 | sepski | flipmcf, looks a little like you are falling between 2 chairs :) |
| 19:05.19 | defcon8 | aww shyte |
| 19:05.24 | defcon8 | 3.5.6 is not out on etch yet |
| 19:05.31 | dvs | raf256: Can I still buy one new? |
| 19:05.34 | amphi | apk: this looks quite fun, http://tadpole.com/products/notebooks/bullfrogdp.asp |
| 19:05.53 | raf256 | dvs: I think that yes. also I can give you my lspci so you can compare |
| 19:05.56 | sepski | flipmcf, apt-cache policy tzdata, would tell you where you have it from |
| 19:06.01 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: It might take slightly longer as it will create a new kde profile |
| 19:06.08 | dvs | raf256: I'll google for it. ;-) |
| 19:06.09 | flipmcf | hold up... reading the backlog guys! |
| 19:06.10 | raf256 | dvs: if you have a jabber then why not talk there (pastes) |
| 19:06.14 | flipmcf | :) |
| 19:06.17 | raf256 | dvs: good luck |
| 19:06.20 | cr3 | how can I create a secure repository, ie create Packages.gz, Release.gpg, etc. |
| 19:06.23 | sidjster | i hjave no idea what im doing with linux i just hit buttons and it seems to work |
| 19:06.26 | dvs | I don't have jabber |
| 19:06.36 | rolandlakr | it's still not to the splash screen.. |
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| 19:06.56 | sepski | cr3, read http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt first |
| 19:07.10 | apk | amphi: I don't see prices. That makes me think I can't afford one. |
| 19:07.32 | rolandlakr | sidjster: I tried that.. now I can't use KDE ;) |
| 19:07.35 | flipmcf | sepski, I get some output - but nothing to hint at 'sarge' or 'etch' |
| 19:07.39 | cr3 | sepski: I had found that page while googling, I didn't notice the commands to generate files like Packages |
| 19:07.50 | flipmcf | I'll paste to flood |
| 19:08.05 | amphi | apk: yeah, I came to the same conclusion ;) |
| 19:08.23 | rolandlakr | amphi: Hey amphi. |
| 19:08.37 | amphi | apk: dual-processor with 16GB ram is quite jolly |
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| 19:08.43 | amphi | g'day rolandlakr |
| 19:08.53 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: no screen asking you to select language and visual effects? |
| 19:09.05 | amphi | rolandlakr: got your box up and limping along? ;) |
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| 19:09.11 | rolandlakr | ewanm89: Nope.. just sitting there with the grey/black grid and the X for a mouse. |
| 19:09.27 | flipmcf | valdyn, sepski tzdata Installed: 2006c-2 |
| 19:09.37 | cr3 | sepski: I'm sure someone created utilities to autogenerate some of the files, editing such formats manually seems stupid |
| 19:09.41 | rolandlakr | yeah amphi, it was going good till I had to change a partition but now KDE wont start on anything but root. |
| 19:09.44 | amphi | rolandlakr: hard disk thrashing? |
| 19:09.45 | sidjster | apt-get --reinstall install kde what i'd do |
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| 19:10.12 | sepski | 2006p-1 is the one in sarge |
| 19:10.16 | justin | rolandlakr: what partition did you change? |
| 19:10.17 | amphi | rolandlakr: on old hw, a light wm like icewm might be better |
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| 19:10.29 | jayeola | is there a way at all to install the "laptop packages"? aptitude or dseslect, perhaps? |
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| 19:10.35 | rolandlakr | justin: linux-swap and my storage partition. |
| 19:10.43 | rolandlakr | justin: I left the home partition alone. |
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| 19:10.58 | flipmcf | apt-get remove tzdata gives me the 'unmet dependencies' and won't perform. |
| 19:11.06 | rolandlakr | amphi: KDE was running great, but now it wont start unless i'm on root :| |
| 19:11.11 | sidjster | what did you do resize partitions? |
| 19:11.13 | dvs | I can't find a nx6110 in the usual stores I shop at. |
| 19:11.13 | justin | rolandlakr: /home/user/.xsession-errors have anything intersting? |
| 19:11.31 | rolandlakr | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/harley/.serverauth.3167 |
| 19:11.31 | rolandlakr | xauth: timeout in locking authority file /home/harley/.Xauthority |
| 19:11.35 | jelly-home | dvs: it's an older model, try something like 63xx |
| 19:11.38 | rolandlakr | I get that when I try to start KDE |
| 19:11.43 | dvs | ok |
| 19:11.54 | jelly-home | dvs: replace xx by some other number ;) |
| 19:12.06 | justin | rolandlakr: you mess up the permissions on /home/harley? |
| 19:12.08 | jayeola | by "laptop packacges" i mean the apps/packages that would've been installed via etch's netinstaller |
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| 19:12.43 | rolandlakr | justin: It does the same thing when I try to logon with the other account (family) that isn't root. |
| 19:12.54 | justin | rolandlakr: you mess up the permissions on /home/? |
| 19:12.56 | jelly-home | dvs: nx6325 or maybe nx7300 |
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| 19:13.06 | rolandlakr | I didn't do anythign to them. |
| 19:13.12 | dvs | jelly-home: I'll give it a try |
| 19:13.12 | sepski | flipmcf, you dont get a line like-- "00 http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages" from your apt-cache source ? this one indicates my tzdata is from etch |
| 19:13.23 | rolandlakr | I imagine they could have been corrupted when I modified my partitions. although i avoided the home partition. |
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| 19:14.07 | justin | rolandlakr: ls -ld /home /home/harley |
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| 19:14.47 | rolandlakr | drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2007-02-20 12:39 /home |
| 19:14.47 | rolandlakr | drwxr-xr-x 19 root root 4096 2007-02-20 12:49 /home/harley |
| 19:15.04 | ebbs | hi. What is a good tool to edit iso files or img files? |
| 19:15.37 | dvs | nx7400 looks ok |
| 19:15.47 | justin | rolandlakr: well then, there you go |
| 19:16.00 | rolandlakr | justin: ? |
| 19:16.03 | sepski | ebbs, you dont edit them as such, i just rsync the contents out to a directory, edit the contents of that dir and mkisofs a new image |
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| 19:16.16 | justin | rolandlakr: /home/harley should be owned by harley, NOT root |
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| 19:16.23 | amphi | rolandlakr: you cp'd your /home ? |
| 19:16.35 | rolandlakr | amphi: not that I know of. |
| 19:16.40 | Sonderblade | how can i apt-cache search on only package i have installed? |
| 19:16.43 | ebbs | sepski, k thx |
| 19:16.57 | rolandlakr | amphi: you know.. I think I know what I did now.. let me chekc |
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| 19:17.18 | amphi | rolandlakr: as root, do 'chown -R harley:harley /home/harley' |
| 19:17.19 | rolandlakr | ugg how do I shut KDE off if it's not loaded completely? |
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| 19:17.42 | flipmcf | sepski, nope. no line indicating the source. |
| 19:17.46 | amphi | rolandlakr: alt-ctrl-backspace |
| 19:17.58 | rolandlakr | amphi: Thanks |
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| 19:18.05 | VImtermute | hey |
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| 19:18.07 | sidjster | end your xsession |
| 19:18.08 | rolandlakr | amphi: I probably owe you like 500 bucks for all the help you've given me. |
| 19:18.20 | pipeline | rolandlakr: Don't put ideas in his head :P |
| 19:18.23 | arrenlex | What is xlibs-dev called now? How do you install x headers? |
| 19:18.32 | justin | arrenlex: why? |
| 19:18.34 | purestorm | Hi. How can I forward a TCP server socket from port X to port Y on my box? |
| 19:18.34 | flipmcf | sepski, I'm about to apt-get remove --force-yes |
| 19:18.35 | rolandlakr | pipeline: haha |
| 19:18.36 | amphi | rolandlakr: only? ;) |
| 19:18.50 | abrotman | arrenlex: x-dev IIRC |
| 19:19.05 | rolandlakr | amphi: Hey.. 500 bucks is alot in my family.. |
| 19:19.07 | sepski | flipmcf, that's braking the system |
| 19:19.10 | VImtermute | i have some problems installing a .deb that i got off the net, there's a heap of dependencies, how to satisfy them with dpkg? |
| 19:19.14 | sepski | but you get to keep both pieces :) |
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| 19:19.24 | rolandlakr | KDE is starting up now :D |
| 19:19.29 | flipmcf | sepski, I know... |
| 19:19.33 | abrotman | VImtermute: apt-get -f install |
| 19:19.33 | valdyn | VImtermute: dpkg -i that file, then run apt-get -f install |
| 19:19.33 | sepski | flipmcf, the correct thing to do would be remove tzdata and the depends on it |
| 19:19.47 | VImtermute | abrotman, valdyn let's see... |
| 19:19.50 | valdyn | VImtermute: ...unless there's pre-depends |
| 19:19.51 | sepski | flipmcf, apt-cache rdepends tzdata might give you a clue |
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| 19:20.40 | arrenlex | justin: Why what? |
| 19:20.52 | flipmcf | sepski, the only thing preventing me from removing tzdata is the unmet dependencies on libc6 |
| 19:20.59 | valdyn | Sonderblade: dpkg -L | grep <searchterm> |
| 19:21.02 | justin | arrenlex: why are you wanting to install xlibs-dev? |
| 19:21.22 | arrenlex | justin: To compile things which require x headers. |
| 19:21.31 | justin | arrenlex: like? |
| 19:21.33 | Sonderblade | valdyn: does not work |
| 19:21.36 | arrenlex | justin: mplayer. |
| 19:21.42 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 19:21.42 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 19:21.52 | valdyn | Sonderblade: dpkg -l , not L sorry |
| 19:21.54 | rolandlakr | amphi: I couldn't get wget to download those books :( |
| 19:21.59 | justin | arrenlex: plenty of pre-made mplayer packages out that that work fine |
| 19:22.11 | abrotman | !tell arrenlex about debian-multimedia |
| 19:22.15 | VImtermute | valdyn, hmmm, nothing, apt-get -f install just removes the borkd package 'xchat' (yes i'm installing xchat :) |
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| 19:22.39 | Sonderblade | valdyn: works, but is not very accurate |
| 19:22.46 | arrenlex | justin: Yes. But I want to compile mplayer to enable playback of cellphone movies, and also to disable runtime cpu detection, and also to avoid joystick support and other useless things which don't apply to me. |
| 19:23.01 | sepski | flipmcf, and your sure your on sarge ? libc6 in sarge dont depends on tzdata but the one in etch does |
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| 19:23.09 | valdyn | VImtermute: what's wrong with the xchat that is in debian? |
| 19:23.21 | arrenlex | abrotman: mplayer is actually in debian prime, you don't need to enable unofficial repositories to get it. |
| 19:23.29 | VImtermute | valdyn, i need a higher version cause of a certain script |
| 19:23.32 | ithium | Hi people, i have been struggling with a GRUB problem for two days solid and I'm sure I'm almost there - but I'm missing something |
| 19:23.32 | VImtermute | ccharset |
| 19:23.40 | justin | arrenlex: so get the source package and change the options and re-build it |
| 19:23.49 | valdyn | VImtermute: have you checked backports.org? |
| 19:23.54 | ithium | I've asked in the #grub channel but no-one there is responding :( |
| 19:24.01 | valdyn | VImtermute: this new package might require packages that are not in sarge |
| 19:24.04 | abrotman | arrenlex: okay .. then why are you compiling it ? |
| 19:24.08 | ithium | I am running Xen on an AMD64 with GRUB 0.97, and my distro is Debian Etch |
| 19:24.09 | arrenlex | justin: Yes, and I am, but it requires x library headers, which I am asking how to get because the package has been renamed. o_O |
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| 19:24.13 | VImtermute | valdyn, yeah... |
| 19:24.17 | abrotman | arrenlex: nm .. i read above |
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| 19:24.21 | sepski | !tell ithium about enter |
| 19:24.21 | arrenlex | arrenlex |
| 19:24.25 | justin | arrenlex: apt-get build-dep mplayer |
| 19:24.28 | flipmcf | sepski my problem isn't that libc depends on tzdata. it's that my sarge libc doesn't even expect tzdata! |
| 19:24.28 | abrotman | arrenlex: i'm aware it's available .. i thought you were compiling because you didn't have it |
| 19:24.36 | ithium | is there anyone around who has a good knowledge of GRUB and is able to help? |
| 19:24.42 | arrenlex | abrotman: (12:22:46) arrenlex: justin: Yes. But I want to compile mplayer to enable playback of cellphone movies, and also to disable runtime cpu detection, and also to avoid joystick support and other useless things which don't apply to me. |
| 19:24.45 | sepski | flipmcf, then i'd forecibly remove tzdata |
| 19:24.47 | valdyn | flipmcf: some moron installed tzdata, ask him? |
| 19:24.49 | abrotman | arrenlex: i saw already :) |
| 19:24.54 | arrenlex | abrotman: Kay. |
| 19:24.56 | ithium | sepski - what's !enter? |
| 19:25.01 | flipmcf | that moron would be me |
| 19:25.04 | flipmcf | for some reason... |
| 19:25.04 | VImtermute | valdyn, get them manually ? |
| 19:25.09 | abrotman | ithium: what's the problem > |
| 19:25.13 | VImtermute | guess yea |
| 19:25.20 | sepski | !enter |
| 19:25.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 19:25.28 | valdyn | flipmcf: so you _force_ tzdata in, same way you can force it out and force the overwrites libc6 wants to do |
| 19:25.29 | flipmcf | now, 'forceably removing' tzdata is best done with dpkg, I would guess |
| 19:25.37 | rolandlakr | Grrr. How do I access all the things that DON'T show up on KDE when downloaded? |
| 19:25.52 | sepski | ithium, it was hopeless to piece together wat you said since you used enter instead of , . ; 's |
| 19:25.53 | ithium | heheh, point taken, but I was not purposefully writing short sentences :) my apologies |
| 19:26.03 | |ewanm89| | rolandlakr: Is KDE working at all |
| 19:26.07 | valdyn | VImtermute: depends on what they are , it can be very non-trivial to solve that route |
| 19:26.14 | rolandlakr | ewanm89: yup it's working now |
| 19:26.27 | sepski | ithium, word your question carefully. and with detail and ask it. dont write a essay on irc, it's hopless to follow :) |
| 19:26.29 | arrenlex | rolandlakr: dpkg -L <package> will list all the files in a package you downloaded. Look for files in /usr/bin if you're looking for executables. |
| 19:26.32 | |ewanm89| | rolandlakr: How did you fix |
| 19:26.32 | amphi | rolandlakr: why not? what error did you get? |
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| 19:26.45 | rolandlakr | ewanm89: chown -R harley:harley /home/harley |
| 19:26.45 | ithium | ok, abrotman, sepski I'll type out my problem and hope you or someone else can help |
| 19:26.51 | VImtermute | valdyn, maybe i could just forget about the per-channel encoding ;))) |
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| 19:27.02 | VImtermute | cause there are some workarounds |
| 19:27.04 | VImtermute | :P |
| 19:27.05 | flipmcf | ah, that's better :) dpkg -r tzdata && apt-get install -f |
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| 19:27.09 | rolandlakr | amphi: 404 not found |
| 19:27.10 | |ewanm89| | rolandlakr: sudo chown? |
| 19:27.18 | sepski | abrotman, ? |
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| 19:27.26 | valdyn | VImtermute: sure, if you can cope with it, always better to stay with what's not broken ) |
| 19:27.33 | rolandlakr | |ewanm89|: as root as I used "chown -R harley:harley /home/harley" |
| 19:27.41 | VImtermute | valdyn, guess you're right :) |
| 19:27.43 | flipmcf | valdyn, sepski thanks guys. |
| 19:27.45 | abrotman | sepski: to help him :) |
| 19:27.57 | |ewanm89| | rolandlakr: And now the problem is? |
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| 19:28.08 | sepski | flipmcf, have backups :) |
| 19:28.20 | rolandlakr | |ewanm89|: I have a few packages that KDE doesn't put on the start menu, but i was told were to look |
| 19:28.42 | VImtermute | bbiab |
| 19:28.54 | sepski | hmm i guess !tell nick about is going to fail quietly since the user was not identified... |
| 19:29.01 | flipmcf | sepski not sure what I installed tzdata for. We'll find out :) |
| 19:29.04 | abrotman | sepski: no it works |
| 19:29.08 | rolandlakr | I should log onto irssi on KDE... I keep having to switch back and forth.. :| |
| 19:29.14 | sepski | dpkg is excempt from that rule ? |
| 19:29.16 | sepski | cools |
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| 19:29.30 | ewanm89 | rolandlakr: run 'which "name of executable"' |
| 19:29.34 | VImtermute | valdyn, it is teh work! (pardon the leet) |
| 19:29.41 | ithium | I am running Xen on an AMD64 with GRUB 0.97, and my distro is Debian Etch. My problem is as follows: when I create a disk image - whether LVM or loopback file - I get errors when trying to install GRUB onto the image. Things I have done so far: - I've created a partition table, and one partition, with fdisk... - I've created an ext3 filesystem... - I've created a /boot/grub directory, and copied files in there from the host machine's /boot/grub fol |
| 19:30.18 | valdyn | ithium: why would you install grub on a disk image? |
| 19:30.41 | ewanm89 | valdyn: To boot from it |
| 19:30.47 | ithium | Whoops, I think I reached a max message limit there. That link was meant to be http://mccune.ece.cmu.edu/wordpress/?m=200602 ... I'm currently trying to figure out how to get a bootloader onto a debootstrapped installation - by tricking grub, or working out values to write manually... whatever works. here's a similar page: http://kbarr.net/bochs.html |
| 19:31.07 | ithium | valdyn: this is for a Xen DomU guest virtual machine |
| 19:31.23 | justin | ithium: uh, have you ever used xen before? |
| 19:31.45 | valdyn | ithium: grub is a real mode app loaded from a bios, does that make sense for your setup? |
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| 19:32.18 | valdyn | ithium: i think i know it doesnt though i know about nothing about xen |
| 19:32.19 | sepski | valdyn, grub is loaded from MBR; not bios :) |
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| 19:32.31 | valdyn | sepski: nitpicker ;) |
| 19:32.36 | ithium | justin: I've been using Xen since about 2 years or so ago, but I've only just now started using HVM stuff with ioemu, because I have a shiny new quad-Opteron to host the guests :o) |
| 19:33.28 | justin | ithium: why are you trying to install grub into a disk image then? |
| 19:33.43 | valdyn | ithium: maybe google for documentation , grub cant really be involved in this... |
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| 19:34.06 | ithium | well, I have some automated installation scripts that build VMs ready to rock. In fact, I've merged a lot of the functionality of my scripts that I've used over the past two years, with Steve's xen-tools scripts (he's the guy at debian-administration). |
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| 19:34.39 | yoshi | anyone have a suggestion for a good burning programme to make a bootable cd with? |
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| 19:35.00 | KazushiSakuraba | yoshi, nautilus |
| 19:35.12 | justin | yoshi: the program that burns cds has no control over whether or not it is bootable |
| 19:35.13 | yoshi | thanks |
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| 19:35.20 | ithium | so, as you see, I need to be able to get everything set up by my script. It all works perfectly - except for getting GRUB past stage 2 :o( If I can get this working, I can send my changes to Steve so he might even include them in a future version of xen-tools, because xen-tools currently does not support HVM guest setup |
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| 19:35.29 | jlp_ | hello |
| 19:35.40 | jlp_ | xgl + 3ddesktop |
| 19:36.10 | jlp_ | __max_, xgl + 3ddesktop |
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| 19:36.26 | ithium | valdyn: I've spent two days googling and reading... it all *seems* to work okay, but when the VM boots it does not get past stage 2. So I've done stage 1 partially right, at least, because grub prints "loading stage2" - it just never gets any further |
| 19:36.32 | justin | jlp_: wtf does xgl have to do with 3ddesktop? |
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| 19:37.16 | jlp_ | alguien q me ayude |
| 19:37.36 | abrotman | what does xgl have to do with debian |
| 19:37.38 | abrotman | !es |
| 19:37.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:37.39 | jlp_ | a instarlar 3ddesktop + xgl |
| 19:37.47 | valdyn | ithium: stage1 one is on your mbr? |
| 19:38.00 | valdyn | ithium: how did you install stage1 and where to? |
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| 19:38.04 | rolandlakr | Hmm, I found the executables but they don't run when I use them :| |
| 19:38.05 | VImtermute | valdyn, thx a lot for the feedback on backports.org |
| 19:38.13 | valdyn | VImtermute: xchat is there? |
| 19:38.14 | justin | jlp_: no 3ddesktop. yes compiz or beryl |
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| 19:38.25 | VImtermute | valdyn, yea, and it is teh work |
| 19:38.29 | yoshi | heh didnt think nautilus sounded like a programme for windows. i need oen to make this cd to install debian |
| 19:38.31 | valdyn | VImtermute: nice |
| 19:38.33 | VImtermute | (sorry for the leet) |
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| 19:39.00 | jlp_ | justin, como lo instalo?? |
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| 19:39.06 | jlp_ | apt-get¿?? |
| 19:39.10 | sepski | ithium, have you tried the usual grub troubleshooting ? eg booting your virtual machine from a cd image, and trying to install grub from there ? |
| 19:39.23 | ithium | valdyn: yes, it is. if it helps, my current grub setup lines are as follows: grub --no-floppy ... then in the grub shell: device (hd0) /dev/path/to/disk ... geometry (hd0) 29070 16 63 ... root (hd0,0) ... embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0) ... install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+15 p (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 19:40.17 | sepski | ithium, i know it's not unattended, but it might give you a clue to what you need to from from outside the VM to get it working. |
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| 19:40.57 | ithium | sepski: yes, I can install from a CD into the VM, although the current Etch netinst has a broken release file. I was going to try a Sarge CD later on if I couldn't figure this out - however, if I copied the first disk block that would mean each of my machines would have to be very much similar - not great for an automated script |
| 19:41.17 | sepski | ithium, simple workaround for that at.. |
| 19:41.28 | amorphous_ | hey guys... anyone know anything about hotpugging? |
| 19:41.43 | amorphous_ | or even hotplugging? |
| 19:41.44 | abrotman | jelly: wake up! |
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| 19:42.17 | dvs | zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 19:42.35 | ithium | sepski: the main trouble is that a VM running inside a HVM guest has its own BIOS and device blocks, so there is no device conflict. Grub installs onto the qemu disk with no problems. However, even though pages all over the net say i should be able to do this from the host, I'm getting problems which i think are down to the devices. |
| 19:42.40 | sepski | ithium, rm /usr/bin/gpgv and retry |
| 19:42.56 | stoned | abrotman: ! |
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| 19:43.07 | abrotman | stoned: hi |
| 19:43.09 | dvs | stoned: ? |
| 19:43.17 | stoned | quit wakin people up |
| 19:43.19 | stoned | its sunday |
| 19:43.25 | stoned | let em sleep in |
| 19:43.34 | ithium | sepski: you mean for the Etch CD? will that stop it worrying about the release file? I'll have to try that later |
| 19:43.38 | sepski | yes |
| 19:43.41 | dvs | stoned: U-haul guy. Why are you here? |
| 19:43.42 | abrotman | he was already awake |
| 19:43.45 | sepski | its at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 19:43.51 | stoned | I think I'm going to new york |
| 19:43.56 | stoned | I dunno yet |
| 19:44.03 | dvs | what about Tx? |
| 19:44.04 | stoned | with this whole marriage business |
| 19:44.08 | stoned | it all weird figuring this out |
| 19:44.14 | stoned | its not just me who has to decide |
| 19:44.25 | stoned | this is ridiculous |
| 19:44.33 | stoned | if it were up to me I'd be in houston already |
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| 19:44.42 | ithium | sepski: lol, I was there earlier today, but that was before that message appeared :o) darnit :P |
| 19:44.55 | stoned | I'm also considering california |
| 19:45.01 | stoned | and seattle too |
| 19:45.10 | sepski | ithium, etch is a moving target :) |
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| 19:45.26 | hwichmann | hi all |
| 19:45.30 | stoned | it also depends on where she does her residency |
| 19:45.30 | dvs | stoned: not florida? ;-). That's the only corner you never covered |
| 19:45.44 | ithium | sepski: it sure is ;o) but I need it for a stable Xen kernel. I'm going to use Sarge for the VM guests |
| 19:45.46 | stoned | dvs: I'm from batonrouge louisiana |
| 19:45.49 | stoned | I got that corner covered |
| 19:45.51 | stoned | kinda |
| 19:46.02 | hwichmann | how do I use sed to replace all tabs with a comma... this doesn't work: s/\t/,/ |
| 19:46.04 | dvs | close enough |
| 19:46.13 | abrotman | hwichmann: ask #sed |
| 19:46.14 | sepski | ithium, or if you struggle more with this maybe etch will release :) |
| 19:46.20 | hwichmann | abrotman: ahh thanks |
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| 19:46.24 | abrotman | hwichmann: probably \\t |
| 19:46.27 | xingu | hwichmann: tr '\t' ',' |
| 19:46.43 | xingu | never kill a roach with a howitzer |
| 19:46.48 | hwichmann | abrotman: thanks again. Sorry, didn't know there was a #sed |
| 19:47.10 | hwichmann | xingu: true true :) will do |
| 19:47.15 | ithium | sepski: I'm pretty confident that creating a VM and then installing from CD, and then copying the first disk block and using that to create the bootloader, MBR, partition table etc. of subsequent machines will work fine. However, seeing as I can already create the MBR and partition table from my script, and am half-way towards a bootloader, it seems a shame if I can't fully automate it... |
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| 19:48.13 | hwichmann | xingu: bingo! Thanks |
| 19:48.20 | xingu | ithium: just thinking this through on paper, are you running grub in the context of the host, or the guest? |
| 19:48.26 | ithium | sepski: do you know enough about the grub shell syntax or its inner working to suggest any way around this? I tried dd-ing a stage2, however I think the stage2 that gets installed into the disk image is customised somehow. |
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| 19:49.11 | ithium | xingu: this is in context of the guests. my host grub is perfect - I'm trying to automate the creation of HVM guests, and they need to be able to boot... hence me trying to get grub in there somehow :o) |
| 19:49.11 | xingu | s/running/installing/ |
| 19:49.34 | xingu | ithium: sure; is your grub installation context the host or the guest though; apologies for imprecise q. |
| 19:49.39 | ithium | xingu: ahhh... yes, I am installing into the guests from the host |
| 19:49.52 | sepski | ithium, not realy. i assume your geometry is correct ? |
| 19:50.17 | xingu | ithium: ok, so I'm no genius, but I'm guessing that the guest needs offsets relative to its image file start while the host will be supplying them relative to the backing block device |
| 19:50.21 | sepski | ithium, i allways done this from inside. |
| 19:50.28 | ithium | sepski: I sure hope so... I'm specifying the sectors and heads, and calculating the cylinders in the script, from the block size etc. |
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| 19:51.15 | xingu | ithium: if xen is like every other hypervisor known to man, bootdev offset 0 is the start of the image and geometry is the apparent geometry of the image inside the guest |
| 19:51.38 | xingu | ithium: does that help or is it already what you're designing for? |
| 19:52.14 | ithium | xingu/sepski: any chance you guys can quickly scan over these webpages for me? you'll get a good idea of what I'm trying to do: http://mccune.ece.cmu.edu/wordpress/?page_id=145 http://kbarr.net/bochs.html |
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| 19:52.52 | ithium | xingu: I'm pretty sure my geometry is okay... hang on, I'll paste in some info |
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| 19:56.04 | pstickne | is there a particular reason why dselect wants to remove apt-file? |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | dselect is bad :) |
| 19:56.20 | pstickne | did the package change or is the dpkg subsystem being retarded? |
| 19:56.25 | justin | pstickne: is there a particular reason you are using dselect? :) |
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| 19:56.43 | pstickne | justin, I like it better than aptitude which pissed me off with the stupid known-bug |
| 19:56.45 | valdyn | !dselect |
| 19:56.46 | dpkg | dselect is, like, a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 19:56.54 | xingu | ithium: cut/paste of your grub session would be useful; I'm warning you in advance I'm shooting at this as a desk exercise, I'm no grub expert and I'm not too interested in paravirtual bootloaders in general ;) |
| 19:57.11 | ithium | ok... first I work out proper sizes as multiples of the block size... I'm using 16 heads, 63 cylinders per track, and 512 bytes per sector, giving a cylinder size of 516096 bytes. so I'm making sure the image size is a multiple of that. So then I've got my overall size and number of cylinders, and I go to fdisk with fdisk -u -C$cyl -S63 -H16 and I create one partition, and write the table. I then mount the image onto a loopback device, using an |
| 19:57.19 | xingu | ithium: if you don't mind me wasting your time, it's a good excuse for me to learn a little about grub |
| 19:57.19 | pstickne | no, it's marked for install but then when I go to perform the actions it's in the remove list :( |
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| 19:57.24 | justin | I can't stand interactive package management apps, I always end up selecting 200 things for installation or removal... apt-get install foo bar or aptitude install foo bar always works :) |
| 19:57.42 | abrotman | pstickne: stop using dselect :) |
| 19:57.45 | jelly-home | it should say "most people should not hate dselect"... except for its uber stupid keybindings |
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| 19:58.04 | pstickne | abrotman, so is it a bug with dselect? or WHY is it doing this? |
| 19:58.04 | tdn | How do I set the console resolution to 1400x1050? Right now I have set it to 1024x768 by using vga=791. What is the option for 1400x1050? And where do I read the documentation on these vga mode options? |
| 19:58.10 | ithium | xingu: sure thing, how can I paste here without flooding? |
| 19:58.22 | pstickne | tdn, does VESA 1.2 cover higher? |
| 19:58.25 | xingu | ithium: don't, use a pastebin |
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| 19:58.44 | valdyn | tdn: why care? aren't you using X to work? |
| 19:58.45 | xingu | ithium: or /query me, it'll only be what 16 lines worst-case |
| 19:58.51 | abrotman | pstickne: it's bad :) |
| 19:58.53 | tdn | pstickne, I do not know. How do I check? I thinnk that it supports up to 1600x1200? |
| 19:58.59 | tdn | valdyn, not always. |
| 19:59.00 | ithium | ok, well, here's the info - hopefully okay: |
| 19:59.04 | jelly-home | pstickne: it might not, but the mode might be in the bios nevertheless... my laptop has 1280x800 in bios, and I can use it with vga=... |
| 19:59.17 | ptlis | I've got a weird problem - unless I ping a domain first it won't resolve correctly from within (eg) lynx, apt-get etc |
| 19:59.19 | ithium | grub --no-floppy |
| 19:59.23 | ptlis | Any idea why this might be? |
| 19:59.26 | xingu | ithium: don't do this on channel |
| 19:59.30 | xingu | ithium: pastbin, or /query |
| 19:59.33 | ithium | oh, ok - will pm you |
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| 19:59.59 | MatBoy | when you have a SMP-kernel and you remove one CPU (this is in a VM) will this give some performance problems, is it better to use a non-SMP version ? |
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| 20:00.33 | sepski | ithium, have you tried mounting the image file on a loop device and using grub on that ? |
| 20:00.40 | sepski | not even sure that would work, but... |
| 20:01.12 | ithium | sepski: yup, tried running grub inside the mount, but it seems to have troubles with the devices |
| 20:01.21 | abrotman | MatBoy: it'll be fine |
| 20:01.29 | xingu | pretty sure that's the wrong answer... |
| 20:01.35 | pstickne | what kind of problems does SMP kernel with single-cpu setup have??? :( |
| 20:01.36 | MatBoy | abchirk__, ok, thanks :) |
| 20:01.46 | sepski | pstickne, none |
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| 20:01.51 | xingu | ie, you want grub to be grabbing the disk image as a block device |
| 20:01.54 | MatBoy | oops, abrotman I ment |
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| 20:02.00 | xingu | just like in the links, in fact. :) |
| 20:02.08 | ithium | xingu: seems like pms are blocked here? can you explain what /query is all about? |
| 20:02.18 | xingu | !tell ithium about paste |
| 20:02.28 | sepski | ithium, you must be identified top nickserv first |
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| 20:02.31 | vlt|home | Hello. I'm looking for a lightweight but php capable httpd that can run (as user root) simultanously to apache and listens on a different port. Any suggestion? |
| 20:02.55 | pstickne | another instanced of apache? ^^ |
| 20:03.08 | vlt|home | pstickne: root right? |
| 20:03.13 | simonrvn | ports.conf |
| 20:03.18 | pstickne | if you really wanted. |
| 20:03.26 | simonrvn | 80\n443\n\n8080 |
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| 20:03.50 | pstickne | right, `another instance' was mispoken. |
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| 20:05.00 | sepski | ithium, seams you'v tried most of what i can think of |
| 20:05.28 | vlt|home | pstickne: So how to run a 2nd apache with root rights? |
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| 20:06.01 | ithium | xingu/sepski: here's my pastebin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5426 |
| 20:06.50 | jelly-home | vlt|home: er, do we want to know why do you need it running as root? |
| 20:07.24 | xingu | ithium: what does the explicit embed do? |
| 20:07.27 | vlt|home | jelly-home: maybe you know a better way to do some admin things easier with a php frontend ... |
| 20:07.41 | ithium | xingu/sepski: I should also point out in addition to my pastebin that I've tried setup (hd0,0) in the grub shell, and I get error 22. that's why I use embed and install manually. |
| 20:07.45 | xingu | ithium: ie, why are you using that rather than setup (hd0) ? |
| 20:07.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: the bot has been secured! |
| 20:07.54 | jelly-home | vlt|home: a setuid app with a defined protocol to the web bits |
| 20:07.55 | xingu | ithium: what version of grub? |
| 20:08.06 | ithium | xingu: embed installs the MBR and stage1, then install installs stage2. |
| 20:08.20 | vlt|home | !setuid | vlt|home |
| 20:08.22 | ithium | xingu: 0.97 |
| 20:08.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: the whole machine too, it seems :-| |
| 20:08.39 | vlt|home | !tell vlt|home about setuid |
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| 20:08.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: what could possibly go wrong on a bot like that :) |
| 20:10.00 | sepski | ithium, tried setup (hd0) on a loop mounted image ? + |
| 20:10.05 | xingu | ithium: seems like what was broken at 0.94 and fixed at 0.95 has broken again; so lets have a look in a little more detail at what could be different between setup hd(0) and your install... lines |
| 20:10.20 | xingu | ithium: my eye is on the various magic constants in there 0x8000 etc. |
| 20:10.20 | jelly-home | vlt|home: If I had to design a webmin replacement, I'd have the web frontend talk to the root-capable part via, say, a socket, using some sort of well defined protocol with a limited set of commands. |
| 20:10.53 | ithium | sepski: I'm pretty sure I tried that at some point... I must have been through every single possibility... I'll just try that again to make sure though |
| 20:11.02 | jelly-home | vlt|home: it's /msg dpkg setuid, or !tell someone about setuid |
| 20:11.16 | ithium | xingu: I don't follow? I read something about a similar-sounding bug but that was in 2005... |
| 20:11.18 | jelly-home | but also |
| 20:11.24 | jelly-home | !tell vlt|home about selftell |
| 20:11.33 | vlt|home | jelly-home: Yes, my second try was successful ;-) |
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| 20:11.50 | xingu | itchi: there's a link http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-grub/2004-05/msg00118.html from the second of your two uri's earlier |
| 20:11.59 | xingu | s/itchi/ithium/ |
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| 20:12.40 | ithium | xingu: yeah to be honest I'm not all that sure about those constants... however, to explain... stage 1.5 gets put at 0x2000, and stage 2 at 0x8000 - apparently that's *always* the case *shrugs*... also, in some of those lines you'll see like (hd0)1x15 - that's according to how many blocked embed reports having used |
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| 20:12.49 | xingu | ithium: did you use that same geometry for fdisk? can I have fdisk -l /dev/xdb/VPSx41-hda please? |
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| 20:13.28 | simonrvn | jelly-home: yeh, for sure, limit the contact as much as possible, and allow only certain things to happen (about the webmin replacement) |
| 20:13.29 | jelly-home | vlt|home: as a quick solution, you could maybe configure sudo to allow only some commands from that user |
| 20:13.48 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 20:14.06 | ithium | xingu: yup I sure did... here comes that listing... |
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| 20:14.15 | vlt|home | jelly-home: hmm, what could be listening ... |
| 20:14.16 | xingu | ithium: again pastebin it |
| 20:14.20 | vlt|home | jelly-home: aah sudo |
| 20:14.22 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know something for Win XP that un-splits me ~20 files splitted with split to 200mb pieces? |
| 20:14.35 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: cat |
| 20:14.45 | raf256 | how can I remove all apache and php using aptitude? aptitude remove apache* php4* do not work - it wants to upgrade some apache2-mpm-preform wtf? |
| 20:14.46 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, sth for win32 |
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| 20:14.59 | ewanm89 | HardDisk_WP: This is a debian channel not #WinXP |
| 20:15.05 | sepski | HardDisk_WP, http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:15.10 | HardDisk_WP | I know.. |
| 20:15.16 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: xcopy /b |
| 20:15.21 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: no idea - cat under cygwin perhaps ;) |
| 20:15.21 | ithium | xingu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5427 |
| 20:15.23 | sepski | HardDisk_WP, if you split them on debian it's ok :) |
| 20:15.35 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, cool thx |
| 20:15.43 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: ask in #windows, they'll tell you to copy /b part1+part2+part3 the-whole |
| 20:16.06 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.10 | HardDisk_WP | thanks!! |
| 20:16.56 | simonrvn | sepski: is that nix tools ported to win32 or something? |
| 20:17.01 | sepski | yeah |
| 20:17.05 | xingu | ithium: can you try running embed first and then install= ? |
| 20:17.06 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 20:17.15 | simonrvn | then they are saner ;) |
| 20:17.19 | ewanm89 | HardDisk_WP: Sorry someone on otfc.net was simultaneously asking about whether SUSE or Debian was better in #debian |
| 20:17.25 | ithium | xingu: I never even followed that link from that earlier article. I just noted that I have higher than 0.95, and ignored it... :| sounds like my exact same problem, though. Do you think that means i could regress or find a patch? |
| 20:17.26 | xingu | ithium: ... purely because that's what the kbarr.net example did in practice. |
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| 20:17.43 | slipttees | hi |
| 20:17.59 | ithium | xingu: I've always run embed and then install. sorry if i gave any other impression :\ |
| 20:18.59 | karsten | sepski: How's unxutils compare to cygwin? (OT) |
| 20:19.01 | xingu | ithium: ok; can you try ... install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+22 p (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 20:19.03 | ithium | xingu: also, you'll notice that the kbarr.net example actually ran setup... see, setup automates embed and install. so he got feedback about the parameters used with those commands. |
| 20:19.15 | xingu | ithium: again purely because this is what is in kbarr.net |
| 20:19.18 | xingu | ithium: *nod* |
| 20:19.26 | sepski | karsten, 2 different things realy |
| 20:19.35 | jelly-home | karsten: unxutils are basically coreutils and some useful bits |
| 20:19.43 | ithium | xingu: will try that particular line now, however, I'm sure I tried it before and I believe the x22 offset won't match my 15-block stage1 |
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| 20:20.19 | jelly-home | karsten: cygwin is the whole POSIX devel. environment, you can ./configure && make && make install most stuff in there |
| 20:20.25 | sepski | they are native win32, so they dont need the cygwin layer at all |
| 20:20.29 | xingu | ithium: it's all black magic for me at the moment; the thing that interest me is that setup is not using any of those other magic constants - just that one. |
| 20:20.41 | karsten | jelly-home: OK, just curious. |
| 20:20.50 | HardDisk_WP | ewanm89, SuSE *sucks* |
| 20:20.54 | ithium | xingu: that particular line gives me error 22: no such partition - just the same as running setup |
| 20:21.38 | ewanm89 | HardDisk_WP: Agreed but Beryl good which was forked from compiz which was created for SUSE |
| 20:21.45 | ithium | xingu: I've learned more about grub in the past two days than I ever wanted to know... also, i got the 0x8000 and stuff from the grub documentation |
| 20:21.53 | karsten | jelly-home: Yeah, I'm pretty familiar w/ cygwin ;-) It requires the cygwin32.dll as well. These appear to be native compiles. |
| 20:22.01 | xingu | ithium: try ...(hd0)0+22p ... ? |
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| 20:22.08 | karsten | jelly-home: msvcrt32.dll |
| 20:22.09 | ewanm89 | HardDisk_WP: How do you highlight |
| 20:22.18 | karsten | erm, lessthe 32. |
| 20:22.25 | jelly-home | karsten: ya |
| 20:22.29 | xingu | ithium: the kbarr.net example has a swap partition at the start of the image; you don't; I'm blindly assuming that offset is partition+block |
| 20:22.41 | HardDisk_WP | ewanm89, xchat |
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| 20:23.42 | ewanm89 | HardDisk_WP: Oh I use KVirc as I don't like xchat I plan to try BitchX soon :) |
| 20:23.44 | ithium | xingu: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5428 - my grub output. |
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| 20:24.11 | slipttees | hi all |
| 20:24.24 | xingu | ithium: *nod*; can you try ... (hd0)0+22 p ...? |
| 20:24.28 | ithium | xingu: just read your messages... hmmm.... in that case should I be using (hd0)0x15....? - I'll try them both now... |
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| 20:24.42 | trentg | Is it possible to run Open Office with the AMD64 port with just ia32-libs installed? |
| 20:24.58 | xingu | ithium: yes please; probably 15 is correct in light of your earlier statement about stage1_5 block size; but do try both. |
| 20:25.06 | slipttees | =[ |
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| 20:25.15 | ithium | xingu: (hd0)0+22 gives "Error 6: Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2" |
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| 20:25.26 | xingu | and +15 ? |
| 20:25.57 | ithium | xingu: ...(hd0)0+15 gives the same; (hd0)1+15 gives error 22 |
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| 20:26.37 | ithium | xingu: so that seems to verify 15 as the correct value... and 1 as the block or whatever it is... to be honest I'm not really sure what those values represent |
| 20:26.58 | xingu | ithium: ok; here's a screwball question; is the guest /boot/grub/*stage* md5sum-ly the same as the host? |
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| 20:27.26 | ithium | xingu: I'm also not knowledgeable enough about grub's install syntax and behind-the-scenes behaviour to even know if the lines that *do* work without error are actually even doing the right sort of thing :S |
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| 20:28.01 | ithium | xingu: I previously tried dd-ing the stage2 direct to the guest image, but I didn't compare checksums. will do that now... |
| 20:28.16 | westside | if I'm upgrading from sarge with 2.6.8-3 running to testing do I need to do an kernel upgrade before dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:28.40 | Reiser_X | Hi |
| 20:28.40 | xingu | ithium: I'm wondering if perhaps the install= filesystem paths are relative to the host rather than the guest. |
| 20:29.10 | Reiser_X | i need a good tutorial to configure printers (laser printers, matrix printers) |
| 20:29.15 | xingu | ithium: so the line of thought would be make sure that you have a working host grub and that the guest carries a copy of its files |
| 20:29.18 | Reiser_X | lpr, Cups |
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| 20:29.58 | xingu | ithium: that eliminates two candidates - being - just corrupt files in the guest from a previous test; and a mismatch between the two throwing a spanner in the works |
| 20:30.03 | ithium | xingu: the stage1 checksums match... the stage2 ones don't |
| 20:30.30 | xingu | ithium: the correct long-term solution would be to use guest-relative paths, probably, if grub was happy to work on a fs image that was loop mounted |
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| 20:30.40 | xingu | ithium: ok so overwrite and go back to 0+15 p syntax |
| 20:30.48 | ithium | xingu: I'm pretty sure that the stage2 gets modified somehow with the details of where to find the menu and stuff like that... that's a rather opaque area now though :S |
| 20:31.07 | KaiHanari | how do i upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 20:31.17 | pinky | I just loaded a soundfont file into my Sound Blaster Audigy's wavetable using sfxload and I now want to make the proper connection to enable playing MIDI files via the internal wavetable using acconect |
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| 20:31.27 | pinky | But I don't know which ports to specify |
| 20:31.28 | abrotman | KaiHanari: sarge ? |
| 20:31.38 | pinky | aconnect 64:0 65:0 for exampole |
| 20:31.43 | KaiHanari | abrotman, think so, double checking |
| 20:31.49 | xingu | itchi: I'd take a good guess you're right; but lets just wind it back to a known-good constant and check for now? |
| 20:32.02 | ithium | xingu: not sure where your line of thought is going...? you lost me when you mentioned loopback-mounted systems from the guest... not sure what direction you are thinking in? |
| 20:32.08 | boodie | Hi, I wrote a CGI script, saved it in the cgi-bin directory, made it executable by www-data, but still when I call it from firefox, it wants to open it with an editor, instead of executing it ... what can be missing? |
| 20:32.12 | KaiHanari | abrotman, how do you tell again? the codename? |
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| 20:32.21 | abrotman | KaiHanari: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:32.22 | xingu | itchi: we'll get there later; just try this for now; also is the guest's version of grub the same as the host? |
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| 20:33.11 | User_FriendlY | boodie: CGI was comman gateway interface? |
| 20:33.14 | KaiHanari | abrotman 2.3.2.ds1-22sa sarge im guessing |
| 20:33.22 | abrotman | KaiHanari: what is your CPU ? |
| 20:33.27 | abrotman | !cgi |
| 20:33.28 | dpkg | [cgi] (Common Gateway Interface) This interface allows scripts or programs to run on a Web server. All Web servers support CGI scripting. You can make a CGI script do pretty much anything a computer program can. Most commonly, they are implemented to control user interaction with the Web server on a Web site. You can use them to password-protect certain parts of your site, or save a user survey to a file on the server.. Computer Generated Image |
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| 20:33.48 | KaiHanari | abrotman, celery 467 |
| 20:33.49 | xingu | itchi: if install= paths are relative to the host, then the right thing to do would be to use install=/mnt/myguestfs/... instead of install=/boot/...; but this would mean that grub would need also to be happy to work on a fs image that was also loopback mounted, and that's not a given. |
| 20:33.49 | boodie | yes, that's it |
| 20:34.07 | xingu | itchi: so for the moment - just make sure that host and guest match in terms of grub image and in terms of *stage* contents. |
| 20:34.14 | boodie | I use it to write into a database |
| 20:34.18 | xingu | s/itchi/ithium/g |
| 20:34.24 | abrotman | KaiHanari: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:34.26 | ithium | xingu: yup, same version, same distro and everything, right now |
| 20:34.29 | User_FriendlY | boodie: okey your wrote on PHP, Perl, Ruby? |
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| 20:34.37 | boodie | python |
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| 20:34.58 | xingu | ithium: good; now unmount the guest loop image, also losetup -d if necessary, then try again with ...(hd0)0+15 p ? |
| 20:35.14 | KaiHanari | abrotman, that automatically adds its entry to grub and sets it default right? |
| 20:35.24 | abrotman | it should |
| 20:35.30 | User_FriendlY | boodie: well it doesnt get interpreted by the webserver, are you sure you have the python apache mod? |
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| 20:35.37 | abrotman | what kind of stupid bot is that ? |
| 20:35.38 | KaiHanari | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:35.56 | boodie | Yes, I have other scripts that work |
| 20:35.57 | abrotman | KaiHanari: you're welcome |
| 20:36.02 | simonrvn | one that keeps flooding itself off the network |
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| 20:36.16 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 20:36.17 | xingu | ithium: aah! I can see another obvious problem |
| 20:36.19 | ithium | xingu: the default-style install lines don't work for me - I always have to specify the path to stage2 |
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| 20:36.25 | abrotman | simonrvn: i noticed :) |
| 20:36.39 | xingu | ithium: yes, that was what I was looking at; so loopback mount your guest |
| 20:36.41 | ithium | xingu: e.g. install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+15 p (hd0,0)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:36.46 | xingu | ithium: and then use the path to *its* stage2 |
| 20:36.47 | User_FriendlY | boodie: did you check the error.log? |
| 20:36.49 | undesktop | what the heck does "apt-get update" do when it displays sth. about "rred"? what is "rred"? it seems to download update-indices extremely slow then |
| 20:36.55 | boodie | Yes: none |
| 20:36.55 | simonrvn | hehe dumb bot |
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| 20:37.31 | ithium | xingu: I've tried loopback mounting the guest and running like that - but it doesn't get very far :S |
| 20:37.36 | simonrvn | ==> Netbot45 n=Netbot45@c-67-165-228-166.hsd1.co.comcast.net has quit (Excess Flood) |
| 20:37.43 | abrotman | i noticed :) |
| 20:37.48 | defcon8 | what is the name of the kde login manager and how do I put it in place of gnome's? |
| 20:37.55 | xingu | ithium: ok I think it's time for me to construct a test case - "please hold" |
| 20:38.02 | HardDisk_WP | I have a no-name USB pen camera. When connecting it to USB, dmesg says drivers/media/video/stv680.c: [stv680_probe:1378] STV(i): STV0680 camera found. |
| 20:38.07 | HardDisk_WP | How do i access the cam? |
| 20:38.08 | boodie | It stopped before, because of an error (a parenthesis missing), so it seemed to interpret ... |
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| 20:38.21 | simonrvn | mount it |
| 20:38.35 | User_FriendlY | boodie: you did edit httpd.conf, uncomment #AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .sh .pl |
| 20:38.53 | HardDisk_WP | simonrvn, eh, only file systems can be mounted |
| 20:38.57 | ithium | xingu: ok. I've been and done so many different tests and all that I've gotten totally lost in what is going on with it :P i also have about a gazillion webpages open on grub, none of which help me much... so yeah, test away :o) |
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| 20:39.16 | crazy_penguin | Good night to all! |
| 20:39.21 | simonrvn | HardDisk_WP: no fs on it? like fat32 or something? |
| 20:39.27 | adioe3 | Is there a version of pootle which works with debian sarge? |
| 20:39.42 | HardDisk_WP | simonrvn, no |
| 20:39.49 | simonrvn | that sucks |
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| 20:39.51 | amphi | what on earth is 'pootle'? |
| 20:39.53 | xingu | ithium: what "dd" line did you use to build your image? |
| 20:39.55 | HardDisk_WP | simonrvn, it makes directly /dev/video1 |
| 20:39.58 | hark | defcon8: kdm and /etc/X11/default-display-manager or dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 20:40.17 | defcon8 | thanks |
| 20:40.23 | abrotman | Netbot45: STOP |
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| 20:40.49 | simonrvn | would some op be kind enough to remove the bot, Netbot45, please? |
| 20:41.11 | abrotman | haven't seen any ops in a while :) |
| 20:41.22 | ithium | xingu: I'm currently using LVM, but I have also tried with dd... the line used for that was... |
| 20:41.35 | HardDisk_WP | !op netbot45 quit/join flood |
| 20:41.35 | dpkg | spamming the channel #debian |
| 20:41.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:41.47 | simonrvn | ops is the command |
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| 20:41.50 | HardDisk_WP | !ops netbot45 quit/join flood |
| 20:41.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: harddisk_wp complains about: netbot45 quit/join flood |
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| 20:41.55 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:41.56 | abrotman | not really a flood |
| 20:42.00 | slipttees | hi |
| 20:42.01 | ithium | xingu: for a sparse file, /bin/dd if=/dev/zero of=$disk bs=516096c count=0 seek=$cyl |
| 20:42.07 | simonrvn | more like annoying |
| 20:42.27 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, in last 5 min, 12 quit/join. that is a flood IMHO |
| 20:42.39 | xingu | ithium: hmm; and the goal is a 15G image file? |
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| 20:42.43 | simonrvn | a slow one =) |
| 20:42.50 | slipttees | the debian it was blockin the xdmcp transfer, I would advice to ask about? |
| 20:42.52 | westside | so I'm on my second attempt to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.18 and keep hitting the same problem. I answer No to remove existing kernel and then get an error abount 2.6.8 depending on initrd tools which then the upgrade fails. anyone run into this? |
| 20:42.58 | ithium | xingu: yes; i believe that should be 29070 cylinders |
| 20:43.00 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, but do you know anything how to access the /dev/video1 device? |
| 20:43.15 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: webcams suck .. IMHO :) |
| 20:43.17 | xingu | ithium: I think we might have found your problem, but let me test first. |
| 20:43.40 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: You can ignore quits/joins. I do. |
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| 20:43.43 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, *g*. well, cat /dev/video1 gives me a flood of ASCII characters |
| 20:43.49 | simonrvn | usually you just have some app accessing the video device |
| 20:43.58 | HardDisk_WP | which one is the best? |
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| 20:44.28 | ithium | xingu: I should point out that in this instance I'm calculating on *1000 not *1024, as disk drives generally use *1000 I believe. So you end up with around 15,000,000,000 bytes - not 15 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024. |
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| 20:45.11 | xingu | ithium: *nod* gotcha; I'm going to work for 15GiB but that isn't what I'm looking at; it's more the geometry that I see might be a problem; let me work through this ex. first though. |
| 20:45.21 | boodie | It has to be said, I have apache and apache2 on; |
| 20:45.39 | boodie | apache2 seems to be the one working |
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| 20:46.17 | mastroDani | hi mate's i've debian sid and i cannot get my printer work, it is an Epson CX3650. i insert it in the usb. it seems it found it. i select the CX3650 drivers from the list (gnome) but when i try to print it doesn't print... i've tried with ubuntu and the same setting and it print |
| 20:46.23 | factotum | any other music players in the repos similar to Rhythmbox? |
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| 20:46.29 | abrotman | !info printconf sid |
| 20:46.35 | abrotman | factotum: about 200 |
| 20:46.38 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.7 (sid), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 20:46.44 | factotum | hah alright |
| 20:46.51 | factotum | sorry, kind of a general question, I know |
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| 20:47.03 | abrotman | factotum: if you're looking gnome-ish .. quod libet is nice |
| 20:47.15 | saint-takeshi | does anyone know then name of a game i used to play, it kind of plays like a trading card game, with each player having a tower, and you play cards to either build your tower up or knock theirs down? simillar to the Window$ game "Realms of Magic" |
| 20:47.16 | ithium | xingu: okay, sure thing. i got my geometry calculations from a bunch of sites - the 16*63*whatever sort of thing all seemed in agreement... it *appears* to make sense, but to be honest I don't really have a clue... :o) I understand the underlying principles very well, but I've never had to calculate hard-drive geometry before, and I don't even really know how it all fits together. |
| 20:47.18 | factotum | yep, looking gnomish thanks |
| 20:47.30 | abrotman | saint-takeshi: in debian ? |
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| 20:47.50 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a application that can make me the output of /dev/video1 visual?? |
| 20:47.55 | westside | is there an etch install .iso I can get ahold of? |
| 20:48.00 | abrotman | !d-i westside |
| 20:48.01 | dpkg | westside, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:48.05 | factotum | i tried going back to xmms or bmp, but all my music is so unorganized file name and tag wise |
| 20:48.10 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache search webcam ? |
| 20:48.19 | westside | abrotman: thx |
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| 20:48.32 | abrotman | westside: second URL .. and get a daily |
| 20:48.35 | factotum | i like how rhythmbox took care of it |
| 20:48.37 | Reiser_X | abrotman: how are you |
| 20:48.43 | abrotman | hi |
| 20:49.00 | saint-takeshi | as far as i remember...it might have been from source, now that i think about it, but it was really good fun and i'd love to play it agin, but i cant find it anywhere |
| 20:49.08 | Reiser_X | abrotman: where is a good tutorial to configure printers (laser and matrix) under linux |
| 20:49.16 | Reiser_X | lpr and Cups |
| 20:49.18 | abrotman | !printers |
| 20:49.19 | dpkg | it has been said that printers is to see if you printer works in linux, go to http://www.linuxprinting.org and go to printer listings Evil Things From Hell Sent To Torment System Administrators. |
| 20:49.21 | abrotman | !printer |
| 20:49.21 | dpkg | from memory, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui or printconf |
| 20:49.22 | westside | abrotman: got it thx |
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| 20:50.52 | simonrvn | ok, now that qualifies as a flood, it's happening more often |
| 20:50.53 | abrotman | nalioth: can you kline him ? |
| 20:51.12 | simonrvn | *please*? :) |
| 20:51.19 | abrotman | we have a bunch of staff in here |
| 20:51.33 | pinky | Anyone have experience with loading soundfonts into a emu10ki audio card's wavetable for MIDI playback? |
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| 20:51.40 | simonrvn | !abrotman op |
| 20:51.40 | abrotman | Bhaal: please! |
| 20:51.43 | abrotman | !afo |
| 20:51.44 | dpkg | antgel for ops! |
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| 20:52.00 | simonrvn | !factinfo afo |
| 20:52.00 | dpkg | afo -- last modified at Tue Dec 6 11:37:25 2005 by antgel!n=antony@pdpc/supporter/monthlybyte/antgel; it has been requested 14 times, last by abrotman, 16s ago. |
| 20:52.04 | HardDisk_WP | How can I kill a app?? |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | kill |
| 20:52.18 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, it dont react on kill -9 even |
| 20:52.26 | abrotman | what doesn't ? |
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| 20:52.37 | HardDisk_WP | camview is still in ps aux |
| 20:52.42 | smiler | factinfo? what kind of word is that? :o |
| 20:52.48 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: kill -11 ? ;) |
| 20:52.56 | slipttees | hi all |
| 20:53.04 | slipttees | i need help =[ |
| 20:53.10 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, dont work |
| 20:53.10 | dvs | really? |
| 20:53.17 | amphi | !tell slipttees about ask |
| 20:53.21 | abrotman | slipttees: just ask |
| 20:53.23 | slipttees | iptable block xdmcp |
| 20:53.27 | slipttees | =[ |
| 20:53.29 | mastroDani | i get this error when lauching a print: E [18/Feb/2007:21:51:27 +0100] PID 7447 (/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstoraster) stopped with status 1! |
| 20:53.47 | simonrvn | so unblock it, and limit it to the network you want that access |
| 20:54.01 | nalioth | abrotman: kline who? |
| 20:54.10 | slipttees | amphi: iptable block xdmcp kdm session! |
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| 20:54.30 | amphi | slipttees: what about it1/ |
| 20:54.32 | simonrvn | Netbot45 n=Netbot45@c-67-165-228-166.hsd1.co.comcast.net has joined #debian |
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| 20:54.45 | simonrvn | many many joins/quits |
| 20:54.57 | abrotman | nalioth: that damn netbot45 |
| 20:54.58 | WorldBfree | how long would it take to transfer a 3gb file across a wireless g network? |
| 20:55.00 | slipttees | amphi: XDMCP fatal error |
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| 20:55.03 | abrotman | who now stopped of course! |
| 20:55.27 | abrotman | nalioth: he stopped now .. sorry to bother |
| 20:55.43 | abrotman | nalioth: i figured he was tryign to flood the channel |
| 20:55.56 | nalioth | abrotman: not yours, but someone had his attention, it seems |
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| 20:56.00 | dvs | WorldBfree: 10 minutes? |
| 20:56.04 | abrotman | nalioth: ? |
| 20:56.26 | mastroDani | why doesn't anybody take care of me? |
| 20:56.30 | WorldBfree | dvs, hmm my network must have something wrong cause its taking me over an hour |
| 20:56.36 | abrotman | mastroDani: i still love you! |
| 20:56.53 | mastroDani | lol |
| 20:56.53 | nalioth | abrotman: don't you see the quit reason? |
| 20:56.55 | nalioth | abrotman: have your ops ban it |
| 20:56.58 | simonrvn | excess flood |
| 20:56.59 | abrotman | Excess Flood |
| 20:57.05 | abrotman | nalioth: we tried .. they're MIA |
| 20:57.19 | slipttees | =[ |
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| 20:58.12 | simonrvn | er, i guess slipttees didn't see my replies... |
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| 20:59.26 | abrotman | nalioth: no .. but you are staff .. ah well |
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| 20:59.33 | xingu | ithium: still playing, but dashing off for dinner; will be back in a few hours. |
| 20:59.39 | dvs | simonrvn: did you say something? ;-) |
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| 20:59.48 | ithium | xingu: okay, can i give you my email address? |
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| 21:00.28 | ithium | xingu: I'll stay connected in channel, but with no PMs it gets tedious catching up on messages. also, this page is where i got the offsets from: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/install.html |
| 21:00.32 | _Freedom0_ | !seen eisen |
| 21:00.33 | dpkg | eisen <~eisen@xdsl-81-173-145-112.netcologne.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 12h 39m 34s ago, saying: 'cool, I'll watch this bug and tell users to disable js until it's fixed :-)'. |
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| 21:01.13 | jmazaredo | where can i find dhcp3 error logs |
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| 21:01.34 | xingu | ithium: its easy to register your nick with nickserv - just do that |
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| 21:01.40 | ithium | well xingu, not sure if you've already gone, but if you read this, my domain is ithium.net - just email me there - my name's dan :o) and thanks for your time! |
| 21:01.42 | xingu | ithium: msg it for details |
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| 21:01.53 | ithium | nickserv? eh? |
| 21:02.15 | xingu | ithium: I'll mail |
| 21:02.23 | ithium | ok, cheers :o) |
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| 21:03.52 | ma3x | if I'm running something, is it possible to move it in 'screen' |
| 21:04.03 | ma3x | I forgot to enter 'screen' and now is it too late? |
| 21:04.24 | karmatronic | ma3x: too late |
| 21:04.28 | ma3x | ok |
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| 21:05.31 | ma3x | so can't screen take over the process? |
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| 21:06.09 | karmatronic | ma3x: i would say no |
| 21:06.20 | mastroDani | ok mate.. this is the debug of the cupsd server while trying to print a test page: http://pastebin.ca/362464 |
| 21:06.26 | mastroDani | can anybody help me? |
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| 21:10.07 | zOap | how do I use memmxtest in hwtools? I installed hwtools but when I type memmxtest I get command not found... |
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| 21:10.46 | klein-ich | hi |
| 21:11.19 | Adrian_dlcspm | Hello. I've recently run out of disk space on /var. I've removed old compressed log files as to make space. Is there anything else that might be put under /var that I could look for and possible remove? This machine has no mail spools. |
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| 21:11.44 | MmikeDOMA | I did a stupid thind: i backed up my system (tar cvfz /mnt/usbdisk /bin /boot /usr /var /lib ..etc...) when in singleuser mode... i erased my hard drive, repartitioned, formated partitions, and did tar xvfz /mnt/usbdisk/backup.tar.gz... but, i made backup with debian in singleuser mode, and restored using livecd (sysrescuecd)... now uid/guid of files are all messed up :) for instance, /usr/bin/screen should belong to root/utmp, and after |
| 21:11.45 | MmikeDOMA | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.48 | klein-ich | can i use 1440x900 on debian? |
| 21:12.00 | aardvarq | Adrian_dlcspm: Theoretically, anyting in /var/cache can be deleted. |
| 21:12.19 | heiner | Adrian_dlcspm: you could try to track where the space is used, e.g. cd /var; du -sm * |
| 21:12.20 | magyar | what do i do with "/lib/init/rw/.ramfs" file? why is it there? |
| 21:12.24 | aardvarq | And /var/tmp |
| 21:13.08 | aardvarq | Adrian_dlcspm: do you have a special partition for /var? |
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| 21:13.18 | Gyuszk|matek | http://shutdownday.org/ |
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| 21:13.56 | apk | Adrian_dlcspm: /var has all the debian packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb. You can remove all of those. |
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| 21:14.21 | Adrian_dlcspm | aardvarq : Yes. /dev/hda5 has lots of space though. Is there a clean data-lossless way of taking some space from the hda5 partition and joining it to hda6's? |
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| 21:14.32 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: Did you run backups as root? |
| 21:14.51 | MmikeDOMA | karsten, yes |
| 21:14.51 | Adrian_dlcspm | ApEtc aardvarq : Yes, I deleted /var/apt/* and that saved me 2.5G |
| 21:14.54 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: and/or restore? That should preserver permissions. If you didn't, well, you're a little sunk. |
| 21:15.06 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: What are perms in the archive itself. Correct or not? |
| 21:15.31 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: Um. Are you checking perms from w/in the rescue disk or after booting the restored system? |
| 21:15.33 | aardvarq | I don't have a /var/apt |
| 21:15.37 | yoshi | ok so i burned the first CD installed and booted up the installation but it seems to want more now :( it was trying to connect to the net unfortunatly i dont have a permanent connection. how many CD's do i actually need? |
| 21:16.01 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: UIDs/GIDs are mapped via /etc/passwd and /etc/group. If you've restored those as well, you should see the right perms |
| 21:16.06 | aardvarq | Adrian_dlcspm: IMHO, it is really really silly to have more than two partitions. Because this is invariably the result. |
| 21:16.07 | MmikeDOMA | karsten in the archive they're ok... for instance: tar tvfz backup.tar.gz | grep /usr/bin/screen shows taht screen belongs to root/utmp, just when I restore that using sysrescudecd, there utmp group has id 406, and on my restored debian it's 41 or something.... |
| 21:16.41 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: Find your old /etc/passwd / /etc/groups files. |
| 21:16.48 | Adrian_dlcspm | aardvarq : You usually have what, root, swap, and home? Or just root and swap? |
| 21:17.19 | MmikeDOMA | karsten i have them, in /etc/passwd and /etc/groups... should I somehow use those when restoring from sysrescueCD? (i don't have any other bootable CD around) |
| 21:17.21 | Solak | Now we're talking about backups, would "tar -cplvf /wd250/root.tar / --exclude-from=home/ --exclude-from=wd250/" work? (wd250 is mount point for external usb harddisk to which I want to backup). |
| 21:17.31 | aardvarq | Adrian_dlcspm: There is a way, if you can somehow create empty space AFTER the partition you want to enlarge, to enlarge it seamlessly. However, that usually means destroying the next partition. Other than that, you need something tricky like partitionmagic, or to back up and rebuild. |
| 21:17.33 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: What system is booted now? |
| 21:17.51 | aardvarq | Adrian_dlcspm: root, swap, and if using RAID, boot. |
| 21:17.53 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: If you're in the rescue system, chroot into your restored system and check perms (eg: ls -l <some files>). |
| 21:17.54 | MmikeDOMA | karsten: debian, in singleuser mode... |
| 21:18.13 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone please tell me a good configurable FTP server? |
| 21:18.19 | abrotman | proftpd or vsftpd |
| 21:18.22 | karsten | aardvarq: You're going to want the *directory* /var/apt, but you don't need the contents. |
| 21:18.24 | MmikeDOMA | the problem is that i did backup from within installed debian (singleusermode), and not from sysrescueCD, so the uid/gids got all mixed up |
| 21:18.42 | aardvarq | I have no /var/apt on any debian or ubuntu system I can find. |
| 21:18.44 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, proftpd i use now, but it don't support creating ftp-only access |
| 21:18.47 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Use anon only if at all possible. rsync / scp / sftp are vastly preferred. |
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| 21:19.13 | karsten | aardvarq: Um. Nevermind. You don't need /var/apt. |
| 21:19.14 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, i do not want anon...and i do not want people having Shell accounts |
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| 21:19.56 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: The fundamental problem with FTP is that it sends auth tokens in clear. Use Something Else[tm]. sftp is recommended. |
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| 21:20.15 | HardDisk_WP | karmatronic, I want something simple as I want to host some pages for my classmates |
| 21:20.18 | HardDisk_WP | argh |
| 21:20.19 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: yes it does |
| 21:20.39 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: You can set up sftp-server w/o shell access. |
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| 21:20.39 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, how? I didnt find anything with is not the "anonymous" account |
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| 21:20.56 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, and: i do not want to create for everyone system accounts |
| 21:21.04 | wwalker | is ia64 for itanium or 64 bit x86? |
| 21:21.12 | jelly-home | wwalker: itanium |
| 21:21.14 | dvs | wwalker: Itanium |
| 21:21.31 | wwalker | so what do I use for my intel 64 bit? |
| 21:21.38 | dvs | wwalker: amd64 |
| 21:21.42 | abrotman | i386 or amd64 |
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| 21:21.45 | wwalker | thx |
| 21:21.53 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: create what ? |
| 21:22.06 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, creating accouts with adduser. i do not want that |
| 21:22.23 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: that's different than your initial problem .. you want virtual users |
| 21:22.40 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, yes. I need a FTP server supporting virtual users |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-VirtualUsers.html |
| 21:22.43 | MmikeDOMA | karsten: perms are all ok, but the ownership info isnt... for instance: ls -al /usr/bin/screen shows that screen is owned by root/406 instead of root/utmp, that is because on sysrescueCD utmp has groupId 406 (and on my installed debian it's 41 or something like that) |
| 21:22.45 | abrotman | yay google |
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| 21:28.07 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: Yes. That's what I told you. |
| 21:28.29 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: If you chroot into the restored system, you'll be using the restored system's passwd/group files, and perms/ownerships should be OK. |
| 21:28.40 | karsten | !tell MmikeDOMA about chroot |
| 21:28.43 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: man chroot |
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| 21:28.59 | MmikeDOMA | karsten, missed that one, thnx :) |
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| 21:30.18 | MmikeDOMA | karsten, still don't get it... i reboot with sysrescuecd, chroot /mnt/hda1, and then restore all the files from the backup, and then I'll be using correct uids/gids?? |
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| 21:31.30 | x_link | Hi |
| 21:31.52 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6459/ |
| 21:31.57 | x_link | Could somebody help me with with that? |
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| 21:33.17 | abrotman | !apt-key 6070D3A1 |
| 21:33.17 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6070D3A1 ; gpg --export 6070D3A1 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 21:33.51 | abrotman | x_link: ^^ |
| 21:33.56 | x_link | abrotman: Thanks mate! |
| 21:33.57 | fouad | hi, plz i need some help, i am facing a strange issue, i compiled subversion with prefix=/root/usr/local and now apache (running under user apache) can't run it (sudo -u apache /root/usr/local/bin/svn gives permission denied) although it is 755 |
| 21:34.09 | abrotman | ask #svn |
| 21:34.21 | fouad | i think it has to do with permissions |
| 21:34.35 | fouad | svn runs perfectly with user root |
| 21:34.39 | x_link | abrotman: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6461/ Now I get that |
| 21:34.59 | abrotman | maybe try a different mirror |
| 21:35.08 | snowbird | how i get sb live for alsa |
| 21:35.14 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, the proftpd-virtual-users doesnt look good...i still have to provide a uid/gid :-( |
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| 21:35.17 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 21:35.18 | dpkg | methinks alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 21:35.59 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ask #proftpd |
| 21:36.01 | parsonsd | oh, too weird: e no longer brings up the program menu with a left click. dunno what changed. errors don't seem to mean anything for menus. bleh |
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| 21:36.47 | snowbird | thanks |
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| 21:37.12 | cartesian1984 | In what package is makedepend? |
| 21:37.25 | cartesian1984 | Or is it in a package at all? |
| 21:38.35 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: Do you want the short answer? |
| 21:38.38 | amphi | cartesian1984: xutils-dev |
| 21:38.38 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: "Yes". |
| 21:38.44 | cartesian1984 | amphi: thanks. |
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| 21:40.33 | MmikeDOMA | karsten: when I chroot, i can't mount /dev/sdb4 (because then /dev/sdb4 does not exists), I'm copying the backup to the /dev/hda1, and then I'll do chroot... |
| 21:40.56 | pinky | How do I change a CCD/IMG/SUB to an ISO? |
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| 21:41.47 | undesktop | is there a way to securely wipe free space on an ext3 partition? I don't want my data lay around there forever |
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| 21:42.17 | Ankman | there is a program called wipe |
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| 21:42.26 | kados | is there any way to get a list of packages installed exported to a file, and then install them all on a new server? |
| 21:42.50 | undesktop | I think it was dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:42.54 | wam | xingu: are you there? |
| 21:42.59 | SamWeasley | Some tips for post-install for a Debian (but not Linux) newbie? |
| 21:43.08 | undesktop | and --set-selections |
| 21:43.19 | kados | undesktop: thx |
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| 21:44.50 | wam | xingu: I managed all optimisations with laptop-mode and so on. I tested cpudyn for hdd-spinof (because my hdparm -S doesn't work). But cpudyn doesn't do a good job - powernowd looks better. But this one can't spinoff my hdd. Is there another spinoff tool? |
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| 21:45.47 | wam | xingu: btw: I gain 12 minutes battery-time by spinning of the hdd after 90 seconds. That makes 2:30 hours. |
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| 21:46.40 | raf256 | xingu: play with laptop-mode |
| 21:47.01 | SamWeasley | I'm a Debian newbie, but not Linux newbie (I'm migrating from Fedora) |
| 21:47.10 | SamWeasley | And I had installed Debian correctly |
| 21:47.18 | SamWeasley | But now I need some tips for post-install... |
| 21:47.38 | wam | raf256: did you mean me? |
| 21:47.44 | SamWeasley | For example: unstable packages is okay? PS: home machine |
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| 21:48.41 | cusco | unstable packages are unstable (right?) |
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| 21:49.00 | stoned | yes |
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| 21:49.28 | stoned | !tell cusco -about sid faq |
| 21:49.32 | I-kido | SamWeasley: what version did u Install? |
| 21:49.36 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: You'll have to either mount the filesystems prior to chrooting, or mount your kernelspace filesystems (/proc, /sys, /udev, /dev/pts) first. |
| 21:49.39 | SamWeasley | Sarge |
| 21:49.42 | pickcoder | !unstable |
| 21:49.43 | dpkg | [unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 21:49.44 | I-kido | stable |
| 21:49.45 | SamWeasley | From DVDs |
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| 21:50.02 | cusco | stoned: jee thanks |
| 21:50.04 | I-kido | I recommend stable repo's SamWeasley |
| 21:50.06 | kados | undesktop: any ideas if there's a way to tell just what's been installed since the base system was installed? |
| 21:50.15 | SamWeasley | Okay.... |
| 21:50.23 | stoned | cusco: dont' get offended, the feature is in the bot for a reason |
| 21:50.24 | karsten | MmikeDOMA: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh, /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh |
| 21:50.39 | SamWeasley | Testing is better? I want some actual packages, like KDE 3.5 and so. |
| 21:50.48 | stoned | kde 3.5 is also for sarge |
| 21:50.49 | undesktop | kadath: you could do --get--selections in the base system, and then diff the two text files |
| 21:50.51 | stoned | !stosberg |
| 21:50.52 | dpkg | stosberg is probably Latest KDE backports for Debian Sarge (stable) by Daniel Stosberg (http://deb.stosberg.net). Please read the entire instructions carefully on the website. |
| 21:51.00 | kados | undesktop: good idea, thanks |
| 21:51.06 | stoned | backports might not have the latest |
| 21:51.12 | I-kido | SamWeasley: I'm on Etch (testing) for me it's still crash-free |
| 21:51.18 | cusco | stoned: sure thing pal! I only don't have doubts about it and was trying to say it to Sam |
| 21:51.19 | SamWeasley | Okay... |
| 21:51.29 | stoned | cusco: I probably missed it |
| 21:51.32 | pickcoder | backports on Sarge are a PITA to deal with if you ever want to migrate to testing, currently named "Etch" |
| 21:51.37 | stoned | cusco: either way, now you can tell him :) |
| 21:51.38 | I-kido | SamWeasley: No need to download 8GB, do netinstall |
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| 21:51.41 | cusco | hehe |
| 21:51.43 | SamWeasley | Okay... I had understand... |
| 21:51.49 | SamWeasley | I'm doing... :P |
| 21:52.00 | SamWeasley | My idea is to install in a laptop later... |
| 21:52.04 | cusco | yea netinstall 168M |
| 21:52.06 | I-kido | SamWeasley: u'll be ready in 10 min. max |
| 21:52.07 | SamWeasley | And about marillat? |
| 21:52.10 | stoned | cusco: wrong |
| 21:52.15 | stoned | 4.7mb total |
| 21:52.16 | stoned | :) |
| 21:52.23 | stoned | kernel/initrd |
| 21:52.26 | abrotman | i think he meant installed |
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| 21:52.34 | undesktop | again...: is there a way to securely wipe free space on an ext3 partition? I don't want my data lay around there forever |
| 21:52.37 | stoned | I thought the netinst iso was like 140mb |
| 21:52.41 | stoned | or 150 ro so |
| 21:52.46 | amphi | undesktop: shred perhaps |
| 21:52.47 | abrotman | keeps going up on etch |
| 21:53.06 | abrotman | not a big deal i guess |
| 21:53.07 | stoned | do we really need to provide a gui installer? |
| 21:53.09 | I-kido | !wipe |
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| 21:53.19 | undesktop | amphi: it seems to work on files only |
| 21:53.19 | abrotman | doesn't matter .. it's there now |
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| 21:53.23 | pickcoder | !tell SamWeasley about marillat |
| 21:53.23 | I-kido | hmm |
| 21:53.38 | amphi | undesktop: everything is a file ;) |
| 21:53.58 | undesktop | amphi: I want the filesystem to survive |
| 21:54.05 | SamWeasley | Okay.... Thanks about marillat |
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| 21:54.08 | _ericb | hi all |
| 21:54.44 | cusco | hi |
| 21:54.48 | thorat | 'lo |
| 21:55.02 | undesktop | and there's no pseudo-file or so which covers all free space |
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| 21:56.34 | _ericb | anyone have a clue how to reconfigure the DSP firefox plugins use for output ? I remember I've been asked a question like "which output firefox should use to output sound" with answer such as oss and also and none or auto.. I would like to reconfigure it because I can't get sound in firefox.. anyone can help ?? |
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| 21:56.44 | karsten | undesktop: ?? |
| 21:56.44 | pickcoder | undesktop: if security is a problem, then you should be storing sensitive data on a separate partition |
| 21:56.51 | stoned | _ericb: alsa |
| 21:56.55 | pickcoder | or using a secure FS |
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| 21:57.08 | pickcoder | <or both..> |
| 21:57.26 | karsten | undesktop: Ah: dd if=/dev/zero of=<somepath>/shredme; shred <somepath>/shredme |
| 21:57.32 | stoned | _ericb: you have alsa-oss installed? |
| 21:57.33 | karsten | undesktop: ... you'll have to do that periodically. |
| 21:57.35 | undesktop | a secure fs? |
| 21:57.51 | stoned | !info alsa-oss |
| 21:57.53 | dpkg | alsa-oss: (ALSA wrapper for OSS applications), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.12-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 168 kB |
| 21:57.54 | _ericb | stoned well.. I'm not even shure I have alsa.. |
| 21:58.00 | pickcoder | undesktop: encrypted file system |
| 21:58.06 | undesktop | karsten: yes, that's what I do now... problem is, it doesn't overwrite partially allocated sectors |
| 21:58.09 | stoned | _ericb: apt-get install alsa |
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| 21:58.18 | undesktop | that is, a sector which is at the end of a file |
| 21:58.24 | karsten | undesktop: Alternatively, you can configure yourself a cryptofs. |
| 21:58.29 | undesktop | and thus contains a small umount of unused data |
| 21:58.33 | karsten | undesktop: No, not that I'm aware. |
| 21:58.41 | stoned | _ericb: then configure your sound with alsaconf as root |
| 21:58.42 | _ericb | stoned ok installing alsa and alsa-oss |
| 21:58.44 | SamWeasley | I'm updating apt now |
| 21:58.45 | MmikeDOMA | karsten, its untaring... |
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| 21:58.58 | undesktop | are there any production quality "secure" fs? |
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| 21:59.39 | karsten | undesktop: You could schedule that task via cron, check space, fill it w/ zeros, then wipe/shred the file. |
| 21:59.39 | karsten | undesktop: Several. |
| 21:59.46 | undesktop | karsten: cron is not such a great idea, because the disk will be full for some time (while shredding) |
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| 22:00.01 | karsten | undesktop: http://encryptionhowto.sourceforge.net/Encryption-HOWTO-4.html |
| 22:00.05 | undesktop | so this might lead to random failures because other programs can't i.e. write logs |
| 22:00.11 | karsten | undesktop: There is that little bugaboo, isn't there. |
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| 22:00.36 | olsen | hi |
| 22:00.45 | olsen | how can i get ia32-libs-gtk on etch? |
| 22:00.47 | JordiGH | If I can ssh to localhost but I can't ssh back into my IP from a machine in the internet, who's the one likely to be blocking connections on port 22? |
| 22:00.48 | karsten | undesktop: Not sure if there are tools to reserve specified disk bocks or not. |
| 22:00.50 | undesktop | karsten: thank you for that link, although it's a bit outdated (looks like ~2000) |
| 22:00.55 | olsen | i *need* firefox with the flash plugin |
| 22:01.00 | karsten | undesktop: GIYF. |
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| 22:01.19 | karsten | olsen: Does the FF/IW flash installer work for you? |
| 22:01.22 | undesktop | olsen: apt-get install mozilla-flashplayer |
| 22:01.23 | karsten | !tell olsen about search |
| 22:01.54 | undesktop | ah no... it was flashplayer-mozilla |
| 22:01.56 | JordiGH | olsen: itym Iceweasel. ;-) |
| 22:01.58 | karsten | JordiGH: Basic test is to find out what the intermediary nodes are, and then nmap each of those at port22 until you find the filtered system. |
| 22:02.08 | olsen | err, i'm on amd64 |
| 22:02.32 | JordiGH | karsten: There's a cable mode, a router, my ISP, and then the internets. |
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| 22:02.56 | undesktop | karsten: oh... full filesystem encryption... the today's solution would be to use dm-crypt I guess |
| 22:02.57 | JordiGH | olsen: There is no 64-bit flash player that works for everything. You'll need to do a 32bit chroot if you want to run Adobe's proprietary flash player. |
| 22:03.09 | JordiGH | karsten: What's the command to nmap? |
| 22:03.10 | undesktop | karsten: via the very nice cryptsetup |
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| 22:03.45 | undesktop | I thought about it, but I'm not sure how good that'll work with swap and swsusp |
| 22:03.46 | _ericb | smoked well I installed alsa and ran alsaconf and everything went fine but.. alsa still don't work.. if I set the output plugin of xmms to alsa instead of oss it doesn't work |
| 22:03.55 | olsen | 32bit chroot? |
| 22:03.59 | karsten | JordiGH: um, 'nmap'. |
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| 22:04.13 | JordiGH | karsten: Full command, I mean? nmap is confusing. :-/ |
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| 22:04.30 | olsen | JordiGH: wont it be more easier to just use ia32-libs? |
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| 22:04.42 | JordiGH | olsen: Oy. If you don't know what that means, then we're in for a heckuva time. |
| 22:04.55 | olsen | JordiGH: i know what a chroot is |
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| 22:05.28 | pickcoder | olsen: I use the ia32 libs on an em64t box that runs a 32-bit app compiled on an old RH kernel.. no problems at all |
| 22:05.31 | JordiGH | olsen: Google around. There are docs in the web for setting up a 32bit chroot for Iceweasel and the Adobe player. |
| 22:05.35 | Blastur | is it possible to install a debian system "manually" somehow? Assuming I have a kernel, which I can set to boot from a specific disk.. can I somehow install a minimal debian system on that disk somehow? if there is no installer |
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| 22:06.03 | JordiGH | olsen: These docs are mostly for Ubuntu, but they may work for Debian. |
| 22:06.04 | pickcoder | never setup a chroot either |
| 22:06.56 | Caitriona | Blastur, you are probably looking for debootstrap |
| 22:06.59 | olsen | i been using ia32-libs on other distros just fine (Ubuntu) apt-get install ia32-libs, get firefox, install flash, voila, i guess a chroot will consume more disk space? |
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| 22:07.31 | JordiGH | I thought that the ia32-libs thing in Ubuntu setup the chroot for you. |
| 22:07.38 | Blastur | Caitriona, thanks |
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| 22:07.59 | olsen | JordiGH: there is ia32-libs on debian also |
| 22:08.13 | olsen | JordiGH: but ia32-libs-gtk (which i need) is on debian unstable |
| 22:08.18 | Caitriona | BLastur: you'll probably have to set up grub and other stuff by hand that way. |
| 22:08.26 | pickcoder | JordiGH: it's mostly just symlinks for the standard libs |
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| 22:08.43 | Caitriona | olsen: so set up sources for unstable, and pin to testing. |
| 22:09.06 | willis_ | can anyone tell me why every time i upgrade from sarge to etch it puts me at 486 archatecture |
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| 22:09.18 | abrotman | willis_: what kernel are you starting with ? |
| 22:09.22 | olsen | Caitriona: do you mean switching completely to unstable or mix testing/unstable? |
| 22:09.38 | karsten | JordiGH: nmap -sS -P0 -p22 <hostlist> |
| 22:09.39 | willis_ | latest sarge i started |
| 22:09.40 | Caitriona | olsen: mix - only those packages you HAVE to upgrade. |
| 22:09.46 | abrotman | willis_: that doesn't answer my question |
| 22:09.47 | Caitriona | or can only get from unstable |
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| 22:10.00 | olsen | Caitriona: how can i do that? |
| 22:10.01 | karsten | JordiGH: Stealth scan, no ping, port 22, list of hosts. |
| 22:10.14 | willis_ | sbrotman: sorry i dont understand ur question |
| 22:10.15 | Caitriona | !pin |
| 22:10.15 | dpkg | somebody said pin was a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 22:10.22 | Caitriona | !pinning |
| 22:10.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
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| 22:10.31 | JordiGH | karsten: Requires root privileges. :-( |
| 22:10.31 | olsen | Caitriona: thanks |
| 22:10.38 | pickcoder | willis_: which kernel package, specifically, was installed when you did the dist-upgrade |
| 22:11.01 | willis_ | i386 |
| 22:11.08 | Caitriona | olsen: basically, you have to tell apt that the packages are there, but that it's not to use them unless you ask nicely :) |
| 22:11.16 | karsten | justin: Or: sudo nmap -sS -P0 -p22 $( traceroute 189.166.63.70 | sed -e 's/^.*(//' -e 's/).*//' ) |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | willis_: uname -a |
| 22:11.28 | karsten | ^^JordiGH |
| 22:11.34 | olsen | Caitriona: ok |
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| 22:11.57 | willis_ | 2.6.18-3-486 #1 Mon Dec 4 15:59:52 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:12.01 | karsten | What happened to JordiGH? |
| 22:12.28 | xand | in /etc/network/interfaces, can you specify that one interface must be connected before an other? |
| 22:12.35 | abrotman | willis_: before you started |
| 22:12.57 | abrotman | xand: usually does eth0 before eth1 |
| 22:13.00 | willis_ | second |
| 22:13.06 | xand | abrotman: I want ppp0 before ppp1 |
| 22:13.51 | willis_ | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r4 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 |
| 22:14.10 | abrotman | xand: you can run a preup script to check for it |
| 22:15.06 | karmatronic | xand: maybe have a look at ifrename |
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| 22:16.47 | olsen | Caitriona: mixing stuff from testing/unstable wont be a problem with libraries? |
| 22:16.48 | Nublet | When I boot from a Sarge installation DVD, and I choose to go with the normal installation, before the GUI appears and after a lot of information has appeared on screen, two lines are printed (http://pastebin.com/883930). It seems to "freeze" after those two lines are printed. This does not happen if I choose to go with the 2.6 installation. |
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| 22:17.15 | torsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.15 | willis_ | what kind of computers use i686 |
| 22:17.19 | torsten | oops |
| 22:17.50 | Nublet | So.. err.. could someone provide me with a solution? |
| 22:18.09 | xand | grr |
| 22:18.33 | xand | ppp0 will stop working for many websites after a few weeks, and requires reconnecting :| |
| 22:18.48 | willis_ | i386 vs i686? |
| 22:19.00 | abrotman | willis_: what is your actual CPU ? |
| 22:19.05 | karsten | Nublet: I think you want to try one of the no-probe / expert mode installs. RTFID, not sure what the invocation switches are. |
| 22:19.13 | karsten | Nublet: Basically: kernel doesn't like your USB device(s). |
| 22:19.13 | willis_ | pc p4 |
| 22:19.24 | Nublet | karsten: I tried the expert mode install. |
| 22:19.28 | Nublet | The same thing happened |
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| 22:19.58 | abrotman | willis_: on etch .. aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 22:20.29 | Nublet | karsten: Could you describe to me how I would go about a no-probe install? |
| 22:20.46 | BrownFrog | Is Wine on-topic here? |
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| 22:20.56 | xand | try #alcohol? |
| 22:21.06 | BrownFrog | lol |
| 22:21.17 | jelly-home | willis_: 686 is basically every PC newer than 1998 |
| 22:21.32 | xand | pfft |
| 22:21.40 | xand | I have a box from 2005 that only does 586 :| |
| 22:21.48 | centrx | what is it a Cyrix |
| 22:21.50 | pickcoder | except K7 for AMD chips |
| 22:21.51 | jelly-home | xand: some embedded junk? |
| 22:21.54 | xand | a VIA one |
| 22:21.56 | stoned | ahh |
| 22:21.57 | xand | mini-itx |
| 22:21.59 | willis_ | so 686 is intels newest? |
| 22:22.00 | abrotman | C3! |
| 22:22.07 | stoned | I almost bought a c3 chip |
| 22:22.18 | stoned | trying to build a multimedia center box |
| 22:22.19 | karsten | Nublet: We've got two options here. |
| 22:22.19 | cusco | willis_: not quite, the newst ar smp |
| 22:22.23 | karsten | Nublet: You can read the install manual. |
| 22:22.26 | cusco | dual cores and so on |
| 22:22.28 | karsten | Nublet: .... or I can read it to you. |
| 22:22.30 | stoned | I think I'll go with a cheap pentium D dual core |
| 22:22.34 | willis_ | is that duel |
| 22:22.34 | karsten | Nublet: Which would *you* prefer? |
| 22:22.36 | stoned | get some HD going on |
| 22:22.53 | Nublet | karsten: I think you know what I would prefer ;) |
| 22:23.00 | Nublet | but I'll read it anyway. |
| 22:23.07 | karsten | Nublet: Great, we're in perfect agreement. Go read. |
| 22:23.08 | Nublet | thanks |
| 22:24.19 | jelly-home | centrx: k7 is also a 686 |
| 22:24.33 | jelly-home | centrx: sorry, that wasn't for you |
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| 22:25.39 | jelly-home | willis_: -686 is a really generic kernel build that works on most newer cpus (except via c3, it seems) |
| 22:26.19 | jelly-home | willis_: it'll work with a P4 too |
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| 22:30.27 | BrownFrog | Encarta 2003 *almost* works, but it demands WMP 7+, and I always get an error when trying to install either 7 or 9. The problem with WMP 7 is that it complains about the "Windows Update Notifier is unable to detect available updates"; any way to trick it into thinking WUN is running but has no updates? |
| 22:30.43 | BrownFrog | (with WINE that is) |
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| 22:31.19 | karsten | BrownFrog: WTF are you playing w/ encarta for? |
| 22:31.30 | karsten | BrownFrog: Isn't that MSFT's proprietary encyclopedia thing? |
| 22:32.02 | BrownFrog | BrownFrog: Yup; unfortunately, my girlfriend's school won't let her cite Wikipedia :( And the Britannica DVD won't even get that far. |
| 22:32.26 | BrownFrog | (karsten: ... I mean) |
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| 22:33.31 | stoned | well I don't disagree |
| 22:33.37 | stoned | wikipedian isn't all that reliable |
| 22:34.35 | stoned | but.. what if someone doesn't have encarta or any other enc. |
| 22:34.47 | karsten | BrownFrog: neat thing about wikipedia is that it cites _its_ sources (or should). Meaning you can go straight to primary materials. |
| 22:34.55 | stoned | they should provide an online enc. for students like my school does |
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| 22:35.20 | BrownFrog | stoned: I don't know; the teacher seems to rather be a photographer than an English teacher, and thus gives assignments on very obscure photography essays |
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| 22:35.32 | madd_matt | BrownFrog, what karsten suggested *is* the proper thing to do. Don't cite wikipedia, go to their sources. |
| 22:35.44 | madd_matt | Isn't encarta all online too? |
| 22:35.46 | stoned | karsten: only if sources are cited |
| 22:35.54 | stoned | most of the time they are |
| 22:36.00 | stoned | on important articles at least |
| 22:36.00 | Aubustou_ | wikipedia is more reliable than any other encyclopedias |
| 22:36.08 | karsten | stoned: Well, yeah. |
| 22:36.17 | BrownFrog | madd_matt: maybe, but you'd probably need a subscription |
| 22:36.18 | Aubustou_ | there was a study about that |
| 22:36.20 | karsten | stoned: ...and cold water is cold only when it's cold. |
| 22:36.31 | madd_matt | BrownFrog, iirc its free. I cna't be bothered to go look. |
| 22:36.33 | karsten | stoned: Further Great Truths[tm] to be Revealed Soon[tm]! |
| 22:36.34 | stoned | karsten: and if you haven't gotten to where you're going, you're not there yet. |
| 22:36.44 | karsten | stoned: Wherever you go, there you are. |
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| 22:36.56 | stoned | quite so. |
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| 22:37.31 | stoned | karsten: point I was trying to make was that sources are not always cited on wikipedia articles |
| 22:38.02 | karsten | stoned: The point I was trying to make was the sharp bit at the end. |
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| 22:38.15 | willis_ | is there a defrag for linux? |
| 22:38.21 | BrownFrog | madd_matt: hmm; if they really do have everything online that they do on the DVD, maybe just as well anyway; nada |
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| 22:38.26 | stoned | willis_: dont' need one |
| 22:38.35 | willis_ | why not stoned |
| 22:38.37 | stoned | willis_: depending on your FS really |
| 22:38.58 | BrownFrog | Aubustou_: Yeah, it may not be 100% accurate, but then I doubt even Britannica is, and at least it can be corrected easily |
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| 22:39.07 | abrotman | willis_: there is one |
| 22:39.16 | willis_ | but not needed? |
| 22:39.20 | abrotman | nope |
| 22:39.22 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 22:39.22 | dpkg | i heard defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html, or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 22:39.26 | stoned | willis_: because linux FS *extX* is not FAT or NTFS bullshit. It manages file trees and lists better |
| 22:39.27 | Aubustou_ | yeah |
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| 22:40.00 | willis_ | ah ok |
| 22:40.03 | stoned | I dont' know the exact technical info on it |
| 22:40.06 | smiler | stoned: it can still get quite fragmented |
| 22:40.20 | stoned | but files don't get AS fragmented |
| 22:40.28 | willis_ | linux fs is called extX? |
| 22:40.31 | stoned | there is one for ReiserFSs I know |
| 22:40.37 | smiler | one of my ext3-filesystems comes out about 30% fragmented when running fsch |
| 22:40.39 | stoned | ext2/3 etc. |
| 22:40.40 | smiler | fsck* |
| 22:40.50 | abrotman | and ext4 now |
| 22:40.55 | stoned | yes that too |
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| 22:41.56 | stoned | I hear RFS4 is a lot faster than ext3/4 |
| 22:42.00 | karsten | willis_: Yes there is. No, you don't need to use it. |
| 22:42.05 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 22:42.06 | dpkg | i guess filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 22:42.14 | stoned | at leat on the benchamarks on reiser's site |
| 22:42.18 | stoned | least* |
| 22:42.44 | abrotman | duh |
| 22:42.46 | stoned | it could be subjective |
| 22:42.53 | karsten | willis_: Essentially: ext2/3 (and other Linux-supported filesystems in general) don't fragment, due to sanner block-allocation algorithms than are used by MSFT's FAT32 / NTFS drivers. |
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| 22:43.17 | capiira | hi anyone know if there is a way to enable overlay for videos in xorg? |
| 22:43.32 | stoned | what is overlay? |
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| 22:43.57 | capiira | something like layers for the graphic |
| 22:43.57 | karsten | capiira: You probably want beryl, compiz, and/or the xgl (IIRC) stuff. |
| 22:44.09 | stoned | oh that stuff |
| 22:44.17 | stoned | why is it called an overlay? |
| 22:44.36 | apk | Why exactly doesn't compiz work with fglrx? Does ATI not support some required part of OpenGL? |
| 22:44.42 | capiira | avoids for example the gui mixing with video |
| 22:45.04 | stoned | apk: it works I think |
| 22:45.14 | stoned | as long as you have dri |
| 22:45.45 | capiira | it puts the video in a different layer than where gnome shows the gui |
| 22:45.47 | pipeline | stoned, apk : fglrx doesn't support the X composite extension. This is unrelated to OpenGL. |
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| 22:46.05 | pipeline | stoned: ReiserFS sucks ass. |
| 22:46.09 | pipeline | stoned: end of story |
| 22:46.14 | stoned | pipeline: that is true, but compiz doesn't require composite |
| 22:46.17 | pipeline | stoned: Plus, for bonus fun, it's effectively unmaintainable :D |
| 22:46.22 | ryty | why is firefox now labeled "IceWeasel"? |
| 22:46.29 | stoned | !iceweasel |
| 22:46.30 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is currently different from the browser with the same name from GNU (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla) although it is possible that the two projects will join forces in the future. To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 22:46.37 | ryty | okay, thanks. |
| 22:46.38 | capiira | karsten: im not looking for compiz stuff |
| 22:46.40 | apk | Having fglrx means I don't need Xgl, right? |
| 22:46.51 | ithium | hi people, if I want to regress a package back to an earlier version, what's the way to do it? Using APT, I mean. I currently have Grub 0.97, and I want to try 0.96 and 0.95 - is this possible? I'm on Etch. |
| 22:46.56 | zinx | apk: not yet, sadly |
| 22:47.08 | abrotman | apk: what is your video card ? |
| 22:47.16 | stoned | pipeline: I own an X1900XTX video card, and I use fglrx and I have Xgl+Compiz and Xgl+Beryl working quite nicely |
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| 22:47.20 | apk | abrotman: ATI Radeon Mobility X300 |
| 22:47.36 | stoned | apk: you can just run the OSS drivers |
| 22:47.41 | ryty | stoned: also note that there is an #ati channel that may help answer your questions |
| 22:47.50 | stoned | ryty: I wasn't asking any questions |
| 22:47.57 | stoned | ryty: but thank you. |
| 22:48.07 | ryty | I meant apk, sorry |
| 22:48.19 | apk | stoned: I tried that. OpenOffice complained and Google Earth got reeeaaaal slow |
| 22:48.23 | simonrvn | !ping |
| 22:48.23 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:48.25 | stoned | ryty, thats one helluva typo |
| 22:48.27 | stoned | ;) |
| 22:48.31 | apk | Unless they have come a long way in the last 6 months. |
| 22:48.35 | stoned | hey simon! whats up dude man homie bro |
| 22:48.37 | pipeline | stoned: Gah, Xgl is a dead end. AIGLX is pretty much the winner. |
| 22:48.42 | ryty | stoned: I saw you respond to a question, thought it was you with the problems |
| 22:48.42 | Ankman | f*** |
| 22:48.57 | stoned | pipeline: ok so get a job with ATI, and put out AIGLX enabled ATI drivers |
| 22:49.01 | ryty | apk: also note that there is an #ati channel that may help answer your questions |
| 22:49.08 | stoned | pipeline: I gotta work with what I have you know :) |
| 22:49.09 | pipeline | stoned: I can live without beryl and compiz and the like forever. |
| 22:49.20 | apk | Is there some document that explain how Xgl, AIGLX, fglrx, the kernel, xorg, xorg drivers all fit in together? |
| 22:49.25 | capiira | stoned: you can compare overlay with something like z-index ala html for video :) then you get the possibility to change brightness contrast etc. for the video only without changing it for the whole gui |
| 22:49.28 | pipeline | apk: No. |
| 22:49.31 | stoned | pipeline: so can I. Its nice to toy with though. I think it gets in the way of actual producitivy. |
| 22:49.34 | pipeline | apk: It's all quite complicated. |
| 22:49.42 | pipeline | apk: Pretend you never heard of Xgl. |
| 22:49.45 | stoned | capiira: ahhh ok now it makes sense |
| 22:49.58 | pipeline | apk: AIGLX makes GLX acceleration work without DRI. |
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| 22:50.18 | stoned | yes, and fglrx doesn't support AIGLX |
| 22:50.21 | pipeline | apk: fglrx is a driver with three parts: An OpenGL library, an XFree86 plugin (driver), and a kernel module (driver) |
| 22:50.21 | apk | I think I have DRI enabled. I'm not sure exactly what is is though. |
| 22:50.41 | pipeline | apk: DRI is an awful hack to get 3d acceleration in XFree86 :P |
| 22:50.49 | stoned | apk: glxinfo|grep direct |
| 22:51.10 | apk | Although my experience is that I can choose between terrible performance and lots of crashes or good performance but missing features and lots of crashes. |
| 22:51.11 | stoned | pipeline: I only bought this card to play Oblivion |
| 22:51.32 | stoned | pipeline: the X1900XTX at $200 topped out ANY nvidia card in that price range |
| 22:51.52 | stoned | plus it was best of that particular game as it enabled HDR+AA simultaneously. |
| 22:51.57 | apk | pipeline: DRI enables the software to talk directly to the hardware, with minimal interference from X? |
| 22:52.00 | stoned | now my oblivion looks sweeter than ever ! |
| 22:52.07 | stoned | I wish I'd gotten nvidia though |
| 22:52.13 | centrx | too bad it doesn't play well |
| 22:52.21 | stoned | its a damn good card |
| 22:52.26 | stoned | ati just needs to make better drivers |
| 22:52.30 | stoned | thats all |
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| 22:53.35 | apk | Is there a chance that the ATI drivers will be good before my laptop is obsolete? |
| 22:53.44 | stoned | nope |
| 22:53.45 | ryty | apk: I've been waiting for a while now. |
| 22:54.03 | apk | I miss my Matrox G450. That was a good card with good drivers. |
| 22:54.09 | abrotman | so put it back in |
| 22:54.20 | Ankman | umm, shouldn't be there a USB_CORE option when configuring a kernel? |
| 22:54.24 | Ankman | cannot find it |
| 22:54.36 | capiira | ati drivers was always bad and will always be, doesnt matter what platform |
| 22:54.53 | capiira | their hardware is ok |
| 22:54.55 | apk | Next time I'll get a laptop with an nVidia card. |
| 22:55.08 | capiira | yeah |
| 22:55.22 | stoned | this X1900XTX doesn't overclock at all either |
| 22:55.25 | stoned | I'm quite pissed off |
| 22:55.27 | streuner | apk: you don't :-) |
| 22:55.28 | MmikeDOMA | apk: i have x300 on my laptop, and fglrx driver work fine for me... |
| 22:55.54 | streuner | apk: in order to use beryl or compiz you have to use nvidia-glx (non-free) then :-) |
| 22:55.56 | subopt | Is there a utility that can do (nearly) continuous mirroring of, say, your home area to some other disk? Could 'cron' it, but looking for something nearly continuous. |
| 22:56.26 | stoned | I took my AGP8x 7600GS and brought it from 400/800 to 575(15Mhz higher than GT)/1000(200mhz less than GT) speeds. All specs on both cards are the same. I paid half the price of a GT for the GS version |
| 22:56.27 | streuner | rsync? |
| 22:56.30 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Do you use XDM? Can you run X sessions on vt7 and vt8 at the same time? |
| 22:56.50 | apk | streuner: what is nvidia-glx? |
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| 22:56.53 | subopt | streuner: That'd rely on cron. |
| 22:56.53 | stoned | er.. |
| 22:56.57 | stoned | that was backwards |
| 22:57.00 | streuner | subopt: google for 'rsync and cron' |
| 22:57.03 | stoned | I paid half the price for a GS |
| 22:57.12 | stoned | and its rockin! |
| 22:57.36 | MmikeDOMA | apk: i use gdm, and yes, I can have two xsessions... although i can't have one with radeon and another with fglrx (i tried that, and xorg crashes, but i don't need it anyways)... |
| 22:57.49 | streuner | apk: nvidia-glx is the packaged version in debian (non-free) which comes from nvidia itself and its NOT opensource... |
| 22:58.07 | apk | streuner: And it works with an ATI card?! |
| 22:58.12 | stoned | what |
| 22:58.14 | stoned | why? |
| 22:58.27 | streuner | apk: nah, nvidia-glx is nvidia, ati is ati |
| 22:58.40 | apk | streuner: Ok. I was a bit confused there. |
| 22:58.50 | stoned | I was wondering why'd you asked that |
| 22:58.51 | stoned | heh |
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| 22:59.01 | streuner | apk: well, intel supports 3D without any issues |
| 22:59.07 | pinky | Anyone have experience with loading soundfonts into a emu10k1 (Creative Audigy line) audio card's wavetable for MIDI playback? |
| 22:59.11 | apk | MmikeDOMA: My kernel crashes if I stop (X|K|G)DM and if I try to start on vt8 with vt7 already running. |
| 22:59.29 | apk | MmikeDOMA: What kind of laptop do you have? |
| 22:59.44 | pinky | The soundfont loads great using (a)sfxload, but I'm having trouble remembering how to map the MIDI out to the correct port number so output works fine |
| 22:59.46 | MmikeDOMA | apk thinkpad r52 |
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| 23:00.18 | ithium | hi people, if I want to regress a package back to an earlier version, what's the way to do it? Using APT, I mean. I currently have Grub 0.97, and I want to try 0.96 and 0.95 - is this possible? I'm on Etch. |
| 23:00.21 | apk | MmikeDOMA: I had one of those for 2 days. Sent it back. The vendor told me it was 1400x1050. It wasn't. Now I've got a T43. |
| 23:00.27 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Could you send me your xorg.conf ? |
| 23:00.51 | MmikeDOMA | apk i'm using ubuntu actually, and i've had troubles with ubuntu kernel, so i make-kpkged 2.6.17.1, and then built fglrx drivers from ati site, dpkg -i on all of those, and it works... |
| 23:01.00 | apk | ithium: apt-get remove the package, find the old dep, and dpkg -i it. |
| 23:01.09 | apk | ithium: s/old dep/old deb |
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| 23:01.12 | stoned | MmikeDOMA: why are you asking in #debian? |
| 23:01.15 | ithium | thanks apk - I'll try that :) |
| 23:01.18 | MmikeDOMA | my r52 has 1400x1050, there are some that are 1024x768:) |
| 23:01.25 | stoned | MmikeDOMA: you're trying to compile a kernel FOR debian on ubuntu? |
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| 23:01.59 | MmikeDOMA | stoned, the problem I'm dealing with is on debian machine, the fglrx issue is on my laptop where i run ubuntu, i just togught i was helping apk a bit... |
| 23:02.02 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Yeah, they send me an 1024x768, and couldn't get any 1400x1050s. I'm not really sure with the differnce between R52 and T43 is, other than I've go not bluetooth. |
| 23:02.03 | MmikeDOMA | stoned, nope :) |
| 23:02.17 | MmikeDOMA | apk: where do I send you xorg.conf? |
| 23:02.24 | abrotman | !paster |
| 23:02.25 | stoned | !paster MmikeDOMA |
| 23:02.25 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 23:02.25 | dpkg | MmikeDOMA: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 23:02.38 | MmikeDOMA | apk: i think that t-series have titan lid, and they cost twice as much as r-series :) |
| 23:02.54 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Or I can msg you my email address? |
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| 23:03.51 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Hmm. I don't think my lid is anything special, and it was only $100 more than the R52. |
| 23:04.14 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Do you have an SATA-PATA bridge for the hard drive? |
| 23:04.27 | MmikeDOMA | apk: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5431 |
| 23:04.32 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Thanks. |
| 23:04.42 | MmikeDOMA | apk: i guess, my hard disk is recognised as /dev/sda |
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| 23:05.57 | ithium | apk: is there a central download area somewhere for old deb files? I can't seem to find one :S |
| 23:06.51 | amphi | !archives |
| 23:06.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:06.56 | amphi | !archive |
| 23:06.57 | dpkg | from memory, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 23:07.01 | amphi | arrgghh |
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| 23:07.34 | amphi | ithium: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 23:07.46 | ithium | amphi: thanks - will look there now :) |
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| 23:07.55 | abrotman | @sdn |
| 23:07.56 | ravenbird | sdn is, like, go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages |
| 23:07.57 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 23:07.58 | dpkg | from memory, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 23:08.48 | undesktop | lol... year 2004 lost? |
| 23:08.56 | abrotman | says why ... |
| 23:09.06 | undesktop | no backups? |
| 23:09.26 | undesktop | quite strange... they have 2002-2007, excluding 2004 |
| 23:09.34 | undesktop | anyway |
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| 23:09.46 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Do you know what the DontZap does? |
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| 23:10.04 | ithium | sorry to be a pain, but how do I determine what .deb version I currently have installed? |
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| 23:10.32 | ryty | ithium: dpkg -l <package name> |
| 23:10.47 | ithium | thanks ryty :) |
| 23:11.35 | Blastur | anyone know what package the app "makeinfo" resides in? |
| 23:11.38 | apk | MmikeDOMA: Ah. You use emacs. |
| 23:11.50 | amitti | anyone know where I can find some help with md? I think I may have saturated my PCI bus and I'm trying to figure out the details.. |
| 23:12.00 | Blastur | apt-cache gives one hit only, texi2html, but that doesn't seem to be it |
| 23:12.04 | ryty | amitti: md? |
| 23:12.08 | ryty | like, software RAID md? |
| 23:12.12 | amitti | software raid |
| 23:12.14 | madd_matt | apk, DontZap as in the X.org setting? It prevents alt-ctrl-backspace from killing the x server |
| 23:12.20 | ryty | amitti: ask away |
| 23:12.34 | undesktop | Blastur: whith packages.debian.org you can search for a single file in all packages |
| 23:12.49 | abrotman | !search |
| 23:12.49 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 23:13.43 | Blastur | thanks |
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| 23:13.54 | amitti | basically I'm getting intermittent packet loss on my ethernet card.. I've tried two different cards and two different slots and 4 cables and 2 switches. I'm pretty confident it's not that hardware.. I'm thinking it's my PCI bus. |
| 23:14.06 | war | amitti: shouldn't happen |
| 23:14.10 | war | amitti: but md/sw raid is shit on pci |
| 23:14.10 | ryty | amitti: and DMA is on? |
| 23:14.15 | war | amitti: I had 10 x 400gb on my old box |
| 23:14.19 | abrotman | amitti: different cards with different driviers ? |
| 23:14.20 | war | amitti: on pci ide controller and sata onboard |
| 23:14.24 | war | amitti: never any network problems |
| 23:14.25 | amitti | I have 3 sata cards, 2 port each, with 5x500gb drives in a MD RAID 5.. |
| 23:14.34 | war | amitti: but don't expect good speed on pci bus sir |
| 23:14.48 | war | amitti: when I went pci I went from 37mb/s write to 180mb/s write raid5 (new disks too but still) |
| 23:15.02 | amitti | yeah, I'm fine with shit speed.. I don't have PCI-X or PCI-Express so I couldn't get a hardware raid card worth buying.. |
| 23:15.09 | war | 10 x 400 riad5 on pci = 37mb/s, 4 x 150 on pci-e = 180mb/s |
| 23:15.12 | war | amitti: there is a better option |
| 23:15.19 | war | amitti: a motherboard w/pci p965 chipset is $130 |
| 23:15.25 | war | amitti: the pci-e 2 port sata cards are $19.99 |
| 23:15.27 | war | amitti: cheap as hell |
| 23:15.32 | war | amitti: and speeds rock w/ sw raid |
| 23:15.42 | MmikeDOMA | apk: nope, why? |
| 23:15.43 | war | rock solid so far |
| 23:15.49 | amitti | I'd like something I could stick my old Athlon XP and DDR333 ram in though.. |
| 23:16.01 | war | amitti: then you are out of luck |
| 23:16.04 | war | amitti: because the PCI bus sucks |
| 23:16.11 | stoned | hey |
| 23:16.12 | stoned | you suck |
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| 23:16.15 | stoned | pci rules |
| 23:16.18 | war | lol |
| 23:16.19 | amitti | you don't think it's effecting my network card though, right? |
| 23:16.21 | stoned | :D |
| 23:16.22 | freeone3000 | Are Athlon XPs *that* old? |
| 23:16.22 | war | amitti: depends |
| 23:16.29 | war | amitti: it should not ruin your conenectiy, BUT |
| 23:16.32 | war | amitti: I will mention this |
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| 23:16.39 | war | amitti: I have LOTS of exp with software raid and mixing on PCI motherboards |
| 23:16.46 | war | amitti: I know that sometimes there will be an IRQ problem |
| 23:16.51 | war | amitti: that will result in what uar e expericenecing |
| 23:16.51 | amitti | Well, I am dropping packets.. 5 - 20%, it's pretty unusable.. |
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| 23:17.00 | war | amitti: first remove all PCI cards in the system |
| 23:17.05 | war | amitti: see if it fixes the problem |
| 23:17.08 | war | amitti: then try different nic or cables |
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| 23:17.12 | war | amitti: then different switch |
| 23:17.19 | war | amitti: then put everything back in and find the cause |
| 23:17.30 | war | amitti: I have had to do this a lot so thats pretty much wahat you need to do until you figure it out |
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| 23:17.49 | amitti | I've tried two different nics, two different pci slots, 2 different switches and 4 different cables.. I think I have those ruled out.. |
| 23:17.55 | amitti | I haven't tried removing the sata cards though.. |
| 23:18.08 | war | the sata cards |
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| 23:18.12 | war | sometimes, ie, if you put in 3 of the same card |
| 23:18.17 | war | you will have these exact problems |
| 23:18.22 | war | I did with 3 Promise ATA/133 cards |
| 23:18.23 | ryty | amitti: run the top command, see if anything is taking cpu power when transferring data to and from your harddrives |
| 23:18.27 | war | so I used 2 ata/133 and 1 ata/100 |
| 23:18.29 | war | fixed the problem |
| 23:18.40 | amitti | what's the last column, si? |
| 23:18.44 | abrotman | swap |
| 23:18.47 | war | amitti: packet loss is strange though, always a pia |
| 23:18.52 | amitti | that's at 29% all of the time.. |
| 23:18.57 | amitti | I don't have any swap |
| 23:19.01 | abrotman | wait .. last column of what ? |
| 23:19.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:19.11 | amitti | in top, under CPU's |
| 23:19.16 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 23:19.27 | war | amitti: hey btw |
| 23:19.32 | simonrvn | fucking humans sometimes, sheesh |
| 23:19.32 | war | amitti: what switch do you use? |
| 23:19.37 | war | amitti: model no? |
| 23:19.45 | amitti | Linksys WRT54GL |
| 23:19.49 | war | k |
| 23:19.55 | ryty | I can confirm that that one is fine |
| 23:19.56 | amitti | I tried a dlink too, same result.. |
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| 23:19.58 | war | I have had two, yes 2-- netgear switches do that to me |
| 23:20.00 | simonrvn | i'm not surprised there were 4 worlds before this one, FFS... |
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| 23:20.03 | war | very strange amitti |
| 23:20.07 | amitti | I plugged it directly into another machine too, same problem.. |
| 23:20.16 | war | amitti I would remove the cards , boot kknoppix and see if there is packet loss |
| 23:20.22 | war | also have you checked the ram? |
| 23:20.27 | war | memtest86 |
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| 23:20.34 | ryty | amitti: hdparm -t /dev/md<bleh> |
| 23:20.43 | amitti | it's worth a try, I have memtest handy.. |
| 23:20.59 | ryty | well, I'm going to shut up now, seems war is helping you... |
| 23:20.59 | war | amitti: probbaly a good idea |
| 23:21.14 | amitti | 180mb in 3.03 seconds = 59.41 Mb/sec |
| 23:21.33 | war | amitti: what kernel ver? |
| 23:21.35 | war | 2.6.20? |
| 23:21.40 | amitti | that's fine for me, I just need to be able to serve to freevo's over wifi |
| 23:22.17 | amitti | 2.6.15 |
| 23:22.31 | abrotman | self compiled ? |
| 23:22.34 | ryty | amitti: try downloading a file, then run that same test |
| 23:22.40 | ryty | make it a large file so it downloads for a bit |
| 23:22.41 | amitti | I'd have that updated but I can't get net well enough to get to repo's.. |
| 23:22.54 | war | amitti: I would go 2.6.20 before you email LKML or such |
| 23:23.07 | war | amitti: I have been self-compiling since 2.1.24 :P did you self compile yours ? |
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| 23:23.39 | abrotman | amitti: it should retransmit packets .. yuo should be able to update just fine |
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| 23:23.48 | amitti | no, I'm booted to Ubuntu dapper right now.. I have Etch on the other partition.. that had the same issue.. |
| 23:23.58 | war | amitti: it really sounds like bad memory, abrotman is right |
| 23:24.02 | war | the TCP protocol will fix the issue |
| 23:24.10 | war | I had a 2-way satellite link |
| 23:24.14 | war | all sorts of problems |
| 23:24.19 | war | but using TCP , no issue for the most part |
| 23:24.26 | war | there is the BST protocol (for satellite comms) but |
| 23:24.31 | war | TCP works. |
| 23:24.33 | war | check your ram. |
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| 23:24.52 | amitti | okay, I'll run memtest now.. |
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| 23:25.42 | war | amitti:k good idea ;) |
| 23:25.48 | war | amitti: how much ram do you have? |
| 23:25.53 | amitti | 1gb |
| 23:25.59 | war | should take 80min |
| 23:26.09 | abrotman | should run overnight |
| 23:26.09 | amitti | all the box will do if run an nfs server, so that should be plenty.. |
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| 23:27.54 | war | amitti: btw |
| 23:27.57 | war | amitti: when you said earlier |
| 23:28.09 | war | amitti: you had problems d/ling, was that getting the file down, or once you got it down it was corrupted? |
| 23:28.18 | amitti | no |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | no ? |
| 23:29.19 | amitti | the file was complete, it's just slow.. it seems to be worse sometimes than others.. |
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| 23:29.46 | war | amitti: so you could untar/bzip2 it no corruption, interresting |
| 23:29.49 | war | amitti: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 23:29.52 | war | amitti: what does it say for ERR? |
| 23:29.57 | xingu | amitti: how are you measuring packet loss? |
| 23:30.01 | war | also type this cmd, dmesg | grep spurious |
| 23:30.08 | war | do you have any spuriou sinterrupts or APIC errors? |
| 23:30.16 | war | and what does netstat -i say for eth0 errors? |
| 23:30.42 | amitti | I was just pinging other boxes.. it had the same loss for the box 3 feet away as it had for google.com.. |
| 23:31.01 | war | and for my ?s |
| 23:31.16 | undesktop | hm... is there a way to display TCP error statistics? |
| 23:31.27 | undesktop | retransmitted packets and so on |
| 23:31.32 | xingu | netstat -s |
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| 23:31.53 | undesktop | xingu: great, thx |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | ifconfig will show errors/drops |
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| 23:33.02 | amitti | hmm.. /proc/interrupts has libata twice on 10 and again on 12 |
| 23:33.07 | amitti | eth0 is on 11 |
| 23:33.26 | war | that is fine |
| 23:33.30 | war | what does it say for ERR? |
| 23:33.34 | war | 0? |
| 23:33.43 | war | and what about all my other ?s |
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| 23:33.58 | amitti | 101 |
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| 23:34.10 | amitti | whats that mean? |
| 23:34.11 | ryty | bingo, colliding IRQs |
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| 23:35.53 | undesktop | interrupt sharing? |
| 23:35.54 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:35.54 | war | ding ding ding |
| 23:35.54 | amitti | netstat -i had TX-ERR's too.. |
| 23:35.54 | jelly-home | interrupt sharing usually works on PCI |
| 23:35.55 | war | amitti: too many PCI cards of the same type |
| 23:35.59 | war | amitti: I bet you it would work with 2 PCI cards |
| 23:36.05 | war | 2 pci sata boards |
| 23:36.17 | undesktop | I have my sound- and network-card and usb on the same IRQ, hmmm |
| 23:36.21 | undesktop | no good |
| 23:36.33 | amitti | you think if I grabbed another brand for the 3rd it'd work? |
| 23:36.51 | amitti | I have one at my desk at work.. I'm not sure that it's not the same chip though.. |
| 23:36.57 | amitti | these are SiL |
| 23:37.03 | war | amitti: it might |
| 23:37.14 | war | amitti: like I said before, I tried 3 PCI ata/133s, I had problems |
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| 23:37.23 | war | amitti: I used 2 PCI ata/133 and 1 PCI ata/100, it fixed the PROBLEM but.. |
| 23:37.27 | war | amitti: I had to place musical cards |
| 23:37.35 | war | amitti: keep putting them in different slots until the problem went away |
| 23:37.42 | war | amitti: but with 3 PCI cards of the same type, NEveR worked |
| 23:37.45 | war | or major problems, etc |
| 23:38.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | All who hate DRM, vote: http://www.ft.com/cms/6c2bf1ce-91b7-11da-bab9-0000779e2340.html?a=tpc&s=646099322&f=890094803&m=2261003441&r=2261003441 |
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| 23:38.06 | amitti | I've never run md before, how does it handle swapping cards and ports, etc..? |
| 23:38.11 | abrotman | Dark_Apostrophe: please don't spam us |
| 23:38.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry |
| 23:38.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's a DRM poll, I thought people should vote on it |
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| 23:39.05 | undesktop | Dark_Apostrophe: why? |
| 23:39.32 | war | amitti: shouldn't be a problem |
| 23:39.49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cause DRM is crap and should be banned, and the more people vote against it, the better |
| 23:39.52 | war | amitti: sw raid auto-detects everything you may need to make a new mdadm.conf later but it should work without any problems |
| 23:40.12 | amitti | slick |
| 23:40.19 | war | amitti: yup |
| 23:41.12 | undesktop | Dark_Apostrophe: I doubt this vote will change anything heh |
| 23:41.14 | amitti | well, I think I have a better handle at whats going on.. thanks much for your help! |
| 23:41.29 | undesktop | Dark_Apostrophe: the problem is people who buy DRM wasted content |
| 23:41.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | undesktop: It will show more people that DRM is hated |
| 23:41.51 | undesktop | Dark_Apostrophe: who cares? |
| 23:42.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | The stronger the opposition, the higher the likelihood of it being dripped |
| 23:42.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | dropped* |
| 23:42.22 | war | amitti: good luck |
| 23:42.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | undesktop: I do. |
| 23:42.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | undesktop: The FSF does. |
| 23:42.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | undesktop: The EFF does. |
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| 23:42.40 | undesktop | Dark_Apostrophe: the MI doesn't |
| 23:42.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Some do. |
| 23:42.52 | undesktop | wasn't it M.A.F.I.A. |
| 23:43.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | MAFIA |
| 23:43.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | lol |
| 23:43.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I thought it was MAFIAA though |
| 23:43.30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wasn't EMI dropping DRM? |
| 23:43.34 | undesktop | Music And Film Industry of America for those who don't know |
| 23:43.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | And Apple considering dropping it |
| 23:43.56 | undesktop | there were some news about that recently |
| 23:43.57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Association of America |
| 23:44.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | There are also labels that hate DRM |
| 23:44.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | Like Magnatune |
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| 23:45.19 | undesktop | hm *shrug* |
| 23:45.23 | stoned | I was playing Ping Pong in Ding Dang. |
| 23:45.37 | ma3x | what the hell is wrong with my dvd burner? why did it stop burning dvds suddenly? |
| 23:46.08 | capiira | hmmm does debian depends of exim4 ? |
| 23:46.17 | ma3x | capiira: no |
| 23:46.49 | capiira | the default netinstall intalled it thats why im asking :) |
| 23:47.08 | ma3x | well yeah you can remove it if you want |
| 23:47.14 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 23:47.15 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 23:47.58 | capiira | deliver to where? |
| 23:48.10 | ma3x | to localhost |
| 23:48.18 | ma3x | to the system admin |
| 23:48.23 | undesktop | Mail Transfer Agent? is that a joke? |
| 23:48.29 | abrotman | does it sound funny ? |
| 23:48.30 | undesktop | using _mail_? |
| 23:48.32 | ma3x | haha |
| 23:48.34 | ma3x | ain't joke |
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| 23:48.48 | undesktop | what about the syslog facility? |
| 23:48.58 | abrotman | that's nice .. if you actually read it |
| 23:49.06 | capiira | im using it as a desktop |
| 23:49.47 | undesktop | well I do if things fail |
| 23:49.58 | undesktop | and then I'm angry because I can't find anything in syslog |
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| 23:50.07 | undesktop | i.e. many booting messages don't land in syslog |
| 23:50.15 | abrotman | file a bug |
| 23:50.20 | undesktop | not a bug |
| 23:50.26 | abrotman | then stop whining ? |
| 23:50.38 | undesktop | what's output by the init scripts just aren't logged, it seems |
| 23:50.46 | undesktop | I don't whine |
| 23:50.54 | abrotman | there's an option for that |
| 23:51.04 | undesktop | where? |
| 23:51.10 | abrotman | look for it |
| 23:51.20 | undesktop | very helpful |
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| 23:51.26 | abrotman | i told you there was one! |
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| 23:51.46 | capiira | can i trust deborphan ? |
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| 23:52.21 | capiira | it shows me a libgutenprintui1-1 |
| 23:52.21 | abrotman | to remove what ? |
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| 23:52.41 | grummund | hmmm.. what causes module hostap_cs to be loaded when i insert my WPC11 PCMCIA card? |
| 23:53.11 | undesktop | grummund: something (you see I'm helpful) |
| 23:53.18 | capiira | libident too |
| 23:53.41 | abrotman | yeah .. that was very helpful |
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| 23:56.11 | xingu | urp |
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| 23:56.27 | undesktop | xingu: UNIX doesn't like you |
| 23:57.01 | xingu | unix loves me, but it gets jealous of absolut |
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| 23:57.40 | undesktop | sometimes it reacts a bit pedantic against the user |
| 23:57.47 | xingu | fortun(1)ately I'm invulnerable in this condition |
| 23:57.48 | undesktop | which can be deadly for the user |
| 23:57.54 | undesktop | cold irony! |
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| 23:59.15 | gpm | hey all, i have exim4 configured to use a smarthost, how do i make it use port 587? |
