| 00:00.04 | Plazma | creature, kdm or gdm is your best bet for that |
| 00:00.30 | CoolCubix | yes but IFS is a special bash variable which is needed to strip lists of files |
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| 00:00.37 | creature | abrotman: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=337578 |
| 00:00.48 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: man, wtf do you want? |
| 00:01.10 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: i answered your question. what do you want to really do? why mess up with ifs if you ask something completely different? |
| 00:01.12 | CoolCubix | the main idea is, i have a list of files containing spaces, and i want to make a bash loop, looping on every of theses files |
| 00:01.13 | LeFallen | creature: Yeah I run slim on my laptop. It's REALLY nice, light and fast. :D |
| 00:01.29 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: like "file1 file2 file3" ? |
| 00:01.43 | CoolCubix | tarzeau> here's the point, each file is on one line |
| 00:01.43 | abrotman | creature: but still not in debian :) |
| 00:01.45 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: what if the filenames have spaces themselves? |
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| 00:02.55 | CoolCubix | tarzeau> the files list is generated from another program |
| 00:03.01 | creature | How resource-hungry is gdm? And how much of the Gnome desktop does it load up? |
| 00:03.02 | grummund | CoolCubix: while read X; do something with $X; done < myfile |
| 00:03.08 | abrotman | !depends gdm sarge |
| 00:03.09 | CoolCubix | and if i give the loop as is to bash, it strips with spaces |
| 00:03.12 | dpkg | gdm: depends on adduser, debconf (>= 0.5), dpkg (>= 1.9), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.7.2), libattr1 (>= 2.4.4-1), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.8.1), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.4.2-2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.6.0), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 2.8.3-7), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), liborbit2 ... |
| 00:03.19 | abrotman | creature: enough to scare you off eh ? :) |
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| 00:03.35 | CoolCubix | so for the file "my file", it wants to loop first with "my" and then with "file" |
| 00:03.42 | creature | abrotman: Depends how much of that stuff I've already got. :) |
| 00:03.49 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: your another program sucks |
| 00:04.07 | tarzeau | CoolCubix: really fix your filenames to have no spaces |
| 00:04.07 | abrotman | creature: it's the "..." that bothers me :) |
| 00:05.23 | BrickTop | guys do you think that debian updates will mess up my php if I install a backport of php4.4? Just trying to avoid long post-upgrade troubleshooting |
| 00:05.42 | BrickTop | running sarge |
| 00:05.55 | tarzeau | BrickTop: very much possible |
| 00:05.58 | creature | I'd only need one more thing. |
| 00:06.03 | creature | Should be fairly easy to back out, I suppose. |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | BrickTop: you can set it on hold |
| 00:07.01 | BrickTop | well to set smth on hold is an terrific term for a noobie that I am |
| 00:07.02 | BrickTop | lol |
| 00:07.42 | creature | While that's pulling down, let's look at the boot process. What can I apt-get to give me a pretty boot process? |
| 00:07.51 | BrickTop | I need to enrich my linux vocabulary before getting here posing questions :) |
| 00:07.56 | creature | I've heard talk of usplash. Might that do the trick? |
| 00:08.17 | tarzeau | creature: hm pretty, eh? |
| 00:08.22 | streuner | creature: just use 'lilo' ;-) |
| 00:08.32 | tarzeau | creature: i like http://www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/vgafun.c |
| 00:08.35 | Guerin | creature: i suggest turning your monitor off whiler booting |
| 00:08.44 | CoolCubix | tarzeau> i got it on #bash, the answer was : IFS=$'\n' |
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| 00:08.45 | jelly-home | BrickTop: it's actually dpkg/Debian terminology, not just any linux :-) |
| 00:08.55 | BrickTop | even worst lol |
| 00:09.03 | BrickTop | just kiddin' |
| 00:09.14 | streuner | creature: http://www.gamers.org/~quinet/lilo/xray-blue.html |
| 00:09.18 | Guerin | creature: or perhaps printing out a photo you can flip down over your monitor while the very useful debug messages are displaying |
| 00:09.21 | tarzeau | creature: i also play the turkish anthem when booting |
| 00:09.23 | BrickTop | well looks like I'm deep troubles with my LAMP then |
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| 00:09.34 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 00:09.54 | creature | Hey, don't look at me. I like the text. It reassures me. |
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| 00:10.06 | creature | But as I mentioned before, I am tired of friends and family looking in horror upon my laptop. |
| 00:10.12 | BrickTop | things got messy after installing MySQL 4.1 |
| 00:10.14 | Guerin | why? |
| 00:10.26 | Guerin | let them look. It's not like the windows boot process is any nicer. |
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| 00:10.43 | tarzeau | Guerin: i love the openstep boot process best |
| 00:10.45 | Guerin | and OSX is just eye-candy and no substance from go to woah |
| 00:10.53 | Guerin | tarzeau: *shock* |
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| 00:11.05 | chronographer | hi all, i got a question i did this: grep -q ^nvidia /etc/modules || echo nvidia >> /etc/modules and wasn't sure it worked, so i did it a few times, can i remove the extra 4 or so??? D: |
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| 00:11.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:11.34 | Guerin | chronographer: why are you running random snippets of code you don't understand? |
| 00:11.44 | grummund | chronographer: lol. use an editor? |
| 00:11.45 | streuner | Who needs to boot anyway, just use linux ;-) |
| 00:11.53 | chronographer | i was installing nvidia drivers |
| 00:11.57 | pherthyl | I noticed that the bug in khtml where it jumps to the top of the page before loading the new page is still there in the newest kdelibs from 3.5.6... even though the latest changelogs say it was fixed |
| 00:11.58 | tarzeau | Guerin: http://toastytech.com/guis/openstepbootimg.gif |
| 00:12.02 | pherthyl | anyone else see this? |
| 00:12.20 | tarzeau | streuner: linux crashes sometimes |
| 00:12.22 | Guerin | chronographer: whatever you do, don't run :(){ :|:& };: |
| 00:12.26 | creature | Guerin: the ladies really love a sexy boot process. |
| 00:12.28 | chronographer | oh yeah of course! |
| 00:12.39 | Guerin | creature: i prefer women to ladies. |
| 00:13.11 | tarzeau | streuner: sometimes suffers badly of poor nfs implementation and memory management foobars |
| 00:13.27 | grummund | Guerin: wtf does that do? :(){... |
| 00:13.27 | stoned | Guerin: they are all equally psychotic |
| 00:13.32 | tarzeau | creature: the ladies are glad when you finish work on computer and move work onto them |
| 00:13.57 | chronographer | i think guerin is taking the piss =) |
| 00:14.02 | Guerin | grummund: it defines a function called `:' which pipes the output of itself into itself, recursively |
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| 00:14.05 | tarzeau | creature: as soon as you have a sexy boot process, you lose the transparency on booting information |
| 00:14.09 | Guerin | grummund: for ever and ever |
| 00:14.10 | Guerin | amen |
| 00:14.18 | grummund | ah |
| 00:14.22 | chronographer | heh! |
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| 00:14.47 | dr1v3r | guys whats the maximum amount of databases mysql will hold on debian if installed through apt? |
| 00:14.57 | Guerin | dr1v3r: there's a maximum? |
| 00:15.18 | creature | tarzeau: the PCs at work (running Fedora) have a nice thing where it pretties up the boot process, but gives you a clickable option to see the text. |
| 00:15.25 | creature | Best of both worlds, I think. |
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| 00:15.32 | tarzeau | creature: i disagree |
| 00:15.34 | dr1v3r | well there will be, either that or it will only hold upto so many GB/TB |
| 00:15.38 | ^tets^ | hello all |
| 00:15.39 | PumpkinPie | dr1v3r: there isn't a maximum |
| 00:15.56 | creature | tarzeau: Well, when I'm configuring your laptop, I'll take that into account. :) |
| 00:15.58 | Guerin | dr1v3r: the hardware is your limitation |
| 00:16.05 | tarzeau | creature: our pcs at work are never seen booting since they run 24/7 |
| 00:16.11 | stoned | it should be called a tigabyte |
| 00:16.14 | stoned | its funner |
| 00:16.19 | dr1v3r | Guerin oky thats kewl :D |
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| 00:16.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: all gnustep apps have that , without the developer needing to do anything |
| 00:16.37 | pherthyl | MoDaX: It appears that is your fix.. kdelibs 3.5.6.r1.dfsg.1-2 in experimental.. your comment in the changelog says the khtml loading issue is fixed but it still appears :( |
| 00:16.41 | dondelelcaro | stoned: the tibibyte? |
| 00:16.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: oddly this is based on login.app :) |
| 00:16.55 | dr1v3r | abrotman now that would be nice. one reason i like windows appz lol |
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| 00:17.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: login.app isn't a gnustep app |
| 00:17.05 | stoned | dondelelcaro: well I'm just saying, its more fun to say tiga than tera. But yes like that |
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| 00:17.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: why not ? |
| 00:17.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: because it's not using the gnustep libraries? |
| 00:17.23 | abrotman | dr1v3r: tried #windows ? |
| 00:17.27 | Guerin | dr1v3r: why is that a reason to like windows apps? |
| 00:17.30 | abrotman | tarzeau: you should rewrite it |
| 00:17.38 | tarzeau | abrotman: i did, i called it zdm |
| 00:17.44 | dr1v3r | click the damn icon and its removed lol |
| 00:17.51 | abrotman | Guerin: because windows apps can't just "copy * c:\windows" |
| 00:17.51 | creature | OK, anyway, let's just accept that even though it's a bad idea and so entirely antigeek of me, I would like a pretty boot process. |
| 00:17.52 | Guerin | dr1v3r: except it never is... |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | oh wait .. |
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| 00:18.01 | dr1v3r | i know its not completely |
| 00:18.11 | dr1v3r | but gets rid of some of it lol |
| 00:18.13 | Guerin | !aliensmite dr1v3r |
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| 00:18.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: you're still on testing? |
| 00:19.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: for now .. yeah |
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| 00:19.55 | dr1v3r | Guerin dont be pickin on the newb ;D |
| 00:19.58 | raf256 | testing is offtopic! |
| 00:20.03 | raf256 | !spank abrotman |
| 00:20.13 | jelly-home | what? |
| 00:20.19 | abrotman | raf256: no .. it's not |
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| 00:20.53 | raf256 | all the time you where rambling like "ohh you are on TESTING, use stable, we cant help with testing" |
| 00:21.05 | r3tex | if I would like to resize a jfs partition |
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| 00:21.13 | abrotman | raf256: stop trolling |
| 00:21.14 | r3tex | but it's impossible |
| 00:21.43 | r3tex | can i tar my sistem to a usb drive and then untar it to an newly created jfs partition? |
| 00:21.48 | raf256 | abrotman: so now testing is ok? |
| 00:22.00 | abrotman | raf256: do you have any idea what you're talking about? |
| 00:22.13 | Guerin | r3tex: you have my permission |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | raf256: please show me any place that i've EVER said that testing was offtopic |
| 00:22.15 | abrotman | idiot |
| 00:22.18 | jelly-home | r3tex: sure. Make sure the copy is valid before wiping the original |
| 00:22.20 | raf256 | r3tex: yes why not.. unless you have some specyfic JFS stuff like security labels etc |
| 00:22.31 | tarzeau | raf256: he wasn't asking anything about testing |
| 00:22.42 | tarzeau | raf256: i'm using sid too, but i'm not bothering anyone with it |
| 00:22.43 | raf256 | yes, I was few times |
| 00:22.49 | r3tex | raf256: no, but i was thinking about 1 permissions, and 2 stuff in /dev |
| 00:22.59 | raf256 | tar saves permissions |
| 00:23.11 | raf256 | dev... dunno, I quess it will be a problem |
| 00:23.37 | r3tex | yeah? what about udev |
| 00:23.44 | r3tex | dosen't udev fix that stuff by itself? |
| 00:23.52 | raf256 | well of course to all that on offline system, like from a livecd |
| 00:23.57 | raf256 | *do |
| 00:24.08 | r3tex | raf256: of course, from a livecd |
| 00:24.21 | r3tex | but i'm wondering if symlinks, hardlinks, and devices will work =/ |
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| 00:24.58 | raf256 | dunno |
| 00:25.03 | raf256 | r3tex: TIAS :P |
| 00:25.18 | r3tex | crap |
| 00:25.19 | r3tex | hehe |
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| 00:25.57 | Guerin | r3tex: you need to exclude /dev /proc /sys at least |
| 00:26.01 | creature | So, are there any graphical boot displayers that aren't bootsplash/don't need a kernel patch? |
| 00:26.07 | Guerin | r3tex: and the dir in which you're creating the tar |
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| 00:26.22 | Guerin | creature: there is splashy, but it didn';t work well last I tried it |
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| 00:26.31 | abrotman | creature: slaphy |
| 00:26.33 | abrotman | splashy |
| 00:26.40 | creature | What about usplash? |
| 00:26.44 | r3tex | Guerin: no problem, how do I recreate them? or are they dynamically created each time? |
| 00:26.45 | Guerin | no idea |
| 00:26.46 | creature | "usplash - Userspace bootsplash utility" |
| 00:27.03 | Guerin | r3tex: yes, presuming a moden system with udev etc. |
| 00:27.08 | r3tex | aha |
| 00:27.09 | Guerin | creature: give is a crack |
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| 00:28.11 | bigfish | lol |
| 00:28.14 | bigfish | hahaha |
| 00:28.31 | creature | Hee. It's displaying a test card. |
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| 00:28.42 | Guerin | creature: awesome |
| 00:28.46 | abrotman | quintin: did you get it figured out ? |
| 00:28.52 | Guerin | i might install it just for that feature |
| 00:28.59 | creature | But alas, no pretty boot. |
| 00:29.04 | creature | Pretty shutdown, though. |
| 00:29.07 | quintin | Whenever I click the logout button in GNOME, I don't get the normal 'shutdown, logout, etc' buttons, it just logs out or says 'your session has been saved' then logs out on next click. how do I fix this? |
| 00:29.08 | Guerin | testcard == not pretty? |
| 00:29.12 | quintin | abrotman: what's that? |
| 00:29.17 | creature | Guerin: text mode == not pretty. |
| 00:29.24 | abrotman | quintin: the task bar |
| 00:29.27 | quintin | abrotman: aye |
| 00:29.36 | Guerin | oh, so no test pattern on reboot |
| 00:29.37 | Guerin | sad |
| 00:29.38 | abrotman | quintin: SecureSystemMenu=False |
| 00:29.47 | abrotman | quintin: gdmsetup or whatever it is |
| 00:29.51 | creature | Guerin: Exactly. |
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| 00:31.35 | quintin | abrotman: not seeing that in gdmsetup |
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| 00:32.02 | abrotman | quintin: in the Menubar section |
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| 00:32.55 | quintin | abrotman: I have 'show actions menu' and 'include hostname chooser' both are ticked |
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| 00:34.11 | abrotman | quintin: hrm |
| 00:34.36 | mindstate | i need some help. when i start up gnome.. my panels dont get loaded ..i can goto tty1 and load it with DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-panel but i get a dbus error. anyone know how i can get my panels back to loading automatically? |
| 00:34.57 | justin | mindstate: gnome-session-save |
| 00:35.04 | justin | mindstate: gnome-session-properties |
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| 00:35.16 | twobitsprite | hey |
| 00:35.24 | mindstate | justin: will that stop this dbus error as well? |
| 00:35.24 | eshaase | i'm using some headphones and for some reason adjusting the master volume switch doesn't seem to have any affect (only the PCM and headphone slider does in alsamixer)... how do i make the master slider control everything? |
| 00:35.32 | twobitsprite | how do I see what packages are available from a given mirror? |
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| 00:35.53 | mindstate | justin: gnome-session-save says could not connect to the session manager |
| 00:35.59 | adema | hello |
| 00:36.05 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: is the mirror in sources.list already? |
| 00:36.11 | twobitsprite | yep |
| 00:36.13 | twobitsprite | and I did an update |
| 00:36.15 | adema | can someone tell where i can put sound module options ? |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | quintin: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
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| 00:36.43 | predder | adema, you're using etch and alsa? |
| 00:36.45 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: you can check the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
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| 00:38.01 | adema | predder, yes |
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| 00:38.11 | jelly-home | twobitsprite: for a given package, apt-cache policy packagename might be useful |
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| 00:38.26 | Cro | hey all. maybe it is a stupid question, but my fresh installed machine isnt able to send mail by using the command 'mail'. Exim is installed (and working) do i forget something ? |
| 00:38.27 | twobitsprite | jelly-home: no, the first one seems to work, thanks :) |
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| 00:38.54 | adema | Cro, use postfix ;) |
| 00:38.58 | mindstate | i need some help. when i start up gnome.. my panels dont get loaded ..i can goto tty1 and load it with DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-panel but i get a dbus error. anyone know how i can get my panels back to loading automatically? |
| 00:39.08 | quintin | abrotman: If I use the guest acct, I get the expected behavior. I think this has something to do with session data. know how to reset all the session crap and turn off session saving? |
| 00:39.18 | abrotman | Cro: did you setup exim to be able to do that ? |
| 00:39.18 | predder | adema, check out "alsactl" you can use it to load "state" files for your alsa sound device |
| 00:39.33 | Cro | adema: because of a control panel, postfix is not possible :) otherwise i would use it. i do know postfix :) |
| 00:39.47 | adema | :p |
| 00:39.54 | Cro | abrotman: yes, it should be :( |
| 00:40.01 | creature | OK, I now have a graphical thing. Ish. |
| 00:40.08 | abrotman | quintin: move your gnome files out of the way |
| 00:40.15 | olsen | debian rocks, i love it :) |
| 00:40.21 | creature | It gets to init, then givesm e a text-based thing. Like that was worth it. |
| 00:40.26 | creature | My advice is to avoid usplash. |
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| 00:40.35 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:40.43 | abrotman | creature: splashy any better? |
| 00:41.02 | adema | i don't understand what can i do with alsactl |
| 00:41.08 | litage | i'm located in Australia. which locale should i choose, en_AU or en_AU.UTF-8? |
| 00:41.14 | creature | splashy isn't apt-gettable for me. I hear it suffers from the same issue, though. See http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=11048 |
| 00:41.29 | adema | i currently have 2 sound cards, and debian load only the card i don't want |
| 00:41.30 | creature | abrotman: It looks like bootsplash is the way to go, but I'm not patching my kernel tonight. |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | creature: what's wrong with usplash ? |
| 00:41.45 | adema | after each reboot, i have to do alsaconf to load the sound card i want |
| 00:42.00 | DaveyB | Does anyone know if it is possible to connect Evolution through Microsoft Exchange? |
| 00:42.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: things beginning with u tend to be flaky. see: udev, uswsusp, ... ;-) |
| 00:42.10 | quintin | abrotman: but then I'd lose my panels and stuff |
| 00:42.16 | DaveyB | Microsoft Exchange, the web based application that is :) |
| 00:42.25 | creature | abrotman: It gets to init, then givesm e a text-based thing. Like that was worth it. |
| 00:42.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: ubuntu ? |
| 00:42.34 | abrotman | quintin: yep |
| 00:42.38 | adema | do you know what can i do to keep this configuration after reboot ? |
| 00:42.40 | creature | abrotman: Those 10 seconds between grub and init just ain't worth it. |
| 00:42.41 | quintin | abrotman: I don't want to lose my panels :( |
| 00:42.42 | abrotman | quintin: ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org ... |
| 00:42.43 | jelly-home | abrotman: you said it! |
| 00:42.45 | twobitsprite | what do you all recommend for a video player... I have a slow system, so something fast is prefered |
| 00:42.54 | quintin | twobitsprite: mplayer, duh |
| 00:42.56 | creature | abrotman: Plus, the only theme available is the debian-edu one, and it looks like arse. |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: you forgot unstable .. :) |
| 00:43.09 | twobitsprite | quintin: dpkg recommends something xine-lib based... |
| 00:43.17 | adema | plz :) |
| 00:43.19 | abrotman | creature: that's a lot of time |
| 00:43.21 | quintin | twobitsprite: mplayer. let us speak of this no more. |
| 00:43.30 | pzn | I need to see my local X11 :0 display at a remote host, at the same time. If I install package vncserver, I have another display at remote host. How to have the same display? Thanks! |
| 00:43.37 | predder | adema, I know that you can use alsactl to save and load alsa config and this can be scripted to be loaded upon startup. I don't know if it will handle the fact you're using 2 sound cards |
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| 00:43.55 | jelly-home | abrotman: unzip and uudeview seem to work but there are always exceptions |
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| 00:44.07 | abrotman | jelly-home: unzip is really just an alias for zip! |
| 00:44.17 | predder | adema, you might want to try #alsa |
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| 00:44.30 | jelly-home | ii unzip 5.52-9 De-archiver for .zip files |
| 00:44.32 | adema | #alsa tell to come here |
| 00:44.33 | adema | XD |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: i was joking .. sorry |
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| 00:44.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: uk |
| 00:45.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: usa ffs |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | we totally suck |
| 00:45.39 | mindstate | i need some help. when i start up gnome.. my panels dont get loaded ..i can goto tty1 and load it with DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-panel but i get a dbus error. anyone know how i can get my panels back to loading automatically? |
| 00:45.57 | jelly-home | !u |
| 00:45.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:46.20 | jelly-home | hm |
| 00:46.45 | justin | mindstate: I told you how to fix that |
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| 00:47.50 | Redhatter | Hah... yes... |
| 00:47.54 | Redhatter | sms-speak-- |
| 00:48.29 | DaveyB | Does anyone know how to link evolution to OWA> |
| 00:48.39 | cartesian1984 | Appologies for repeating myself, but I have a problem. Even after running alsamixer (I have a supported sound card in ALSA, I'm sure of it) and unmuting, and loading the modules, mpg123/flac123/sox are still not playing music, and I know not why... |
| 00:48.48 | pzn | how to get a X11 screenshot from command line? |
| 00:48.56 | tarzeau | pzn: scrot peng.png |
| 00:49.26 | dkr | pzn: or use convert |
| 00:49.37 | mindstate | justin: i told u it gave me errors |
| 00:49.42 | cartesian1984 | !u |
| 00:49.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:49.55 | mindstate | justin: Could not connect to the session manager from gnome-session-save |
| 00:49.57 | cartesian1984 | Sorry, I love that. |
| 00:50.10 | mindstate | justin: and gnome-session-properties also gave me an error |
| 00:50.28 | justin | mindstate: then your real question is, why is your gnome-session broken |
| 00:50.36 | cartesian1984 | Holy hell, nevermind. Things are working. Thanks everyone. |
| 00:50.46 | mindstate | mindstate: i guess it is lol..can you help me? |
| 00:51.02 | mindstate | justin: ^ sorry lol |
| 00:51.10 | abrotman | cartesian1984: they might need OSS compat stuff |
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| 00:51.15 | justin | mindstate: can you run the gnome-session thingy from the menu? |
| 00:51.32 | mindstate | justin: no..it acts like its loading something..but nothing happens |
| 00:51.43 | pzn | tarzeau, dkr: scrot worked as expected. |
| 00:52.05 | justin | mindstate: how are you starting gnome? |
| 00:52.18 | mindstate | justin: from GDM login screen |
| 00:52.42 | pzn | how to see the display :0.0 of a remote machine (I left my work machine logged at X and want to interact with it) ? |
| 00:53.12 | stoned | pzn: you can sshx or vnc |
| 00:53.13 | eldowan | pzn: xvnc? |
| 00:53.17 | stoned | eldowan: ! |
| 00:53.18 | eldowan | x11vnc |
| 00:53.21 | eldowan | stoned: ! |
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| 00:53.27 | stoned | whas up |
| 00:53.45 | eldowan | stoned: de nada. Still in OKC IC |
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| 00:54.04 | stoned | yeh, I might to to cali or seattle or nyc I dunno yet |
| 00:54.20 | eldowan | stoned: damn extremists |
| 00:54.27 | mindstate | justin: then once i load gnome..the panels arent loaded so i have to ctrl+alt+f1 to goto tty1 and i type in DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-panel to load my panels |
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| 00:55.35 | pzn | stoned, eldowan: I know how to use xvnc to create a new display (:1 / :2 / ...) at the machine and see it remotely. Don't know how to see the active :0.0 display... any hint? |
| 00:55.58 | pzn | stoned, I did not find a package or command "sshx" |
| 00:56.00 | eldowan | pzn: X11vnc |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 00:56.09 | dpkg | methinks sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 00:56.48 | eldowan | info x11vnc |
| 00:56.51 | eldowan | !info x11vnc |
| 00:57.00 | dpkg | x11vnc: (VNC server which uses your current X11 session), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.8.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 453 kB, Installed size: 1073 kB |
| 00:57.11 | pzn | eldowan, ok, installing the package X11 and reading manpage |
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| 00:57.57 | eldowan | stoned: Havent decided where your next residency will be? |
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| 00:58.25 | justin | mindstate: try deleting ~/.gnome2/session and logging back in |
| 00:58.29 | olsen | i think im going to replace my debian unstable with ubuntu |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | olsen: have fun! |
| 00:58.51 | olsen | err, my ubuntu with debian unstable i mean |
| 00:58.56 | abrotman | olsen: have fun! |
| 00:59.04 | mindstate | justin: ok.. also i have some weird entry in my GDM screen it says "foo" where XFCE Session and Gnome Session is not sure what it is |
| 00:59.22 | olsen | abrotman: i will remove ubuntu and i will put my debian unstable there i mean |
| 00:59.24 | pzn | eldowan, thanks, x11vnc does exactly what I need! |
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| 00:59.31 | abrotman | olsen: yay! |
| 00:59.33 | mindstate | justin: there is no session file in .gnome2 |
| 00:59.34 | olsen | abrotman: :D |
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| 00:59.52 | olsen | abrotman: im so happy with my debian system |
| 01:00.01 | eldowan | pzn: it should :D |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | olsen: just wait til you see Debian++! |
| 01:00.09 | bretzel | Debian ( at least, etch ) is becoming really easy to install :-) |
| 01:00.14 | olsen | abrotman: i already use it |
| 01:00.19 | eldowan | Debian++!!! |
| 01:00.29 | olsen | abrotman: it feels so nice |
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| 01:01.27 | bretzel | olsen: I've just finished a fresh etch install --- same impression for me :-) |
| 01:01.30 | pablo_ | hi, which package do i need to install to develop gtk 2.0 apps? |
| 01:01.35 | litage | i'm in the Etch installer's expert mode, and my HD hasn't been detected. how can i determine which module needs to be loaded? |
| 01:01.40 | justin | mindstate: do you have 'failsafe gnome session' ? |
| 01:01.40 | bosko | Hi, can anyone recommend a good task scheduler that is out for Debian etch? |
| 01:01.48 | abrotman | like cron? |
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| 01:02.25 | bosko | Ya, but in a GUI/user friendly format |
| 01:02.36 | ReinH | Hmmm, anyone use kuake? |
| 01:03.03 | eldowan | bosko: crontab -e? |
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| 01:03.30 | mindstate | justin: yes..everything loads fine panels and stuff..but my ntfs partition doesnt show in failsafe |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | bosko: apt-cache search GUI task |
| 01:04.01 | bosko | Cool, didnt know you could do that |
| 01:04.02 | bosko | thanks |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | bosko: i see gnome-schedule and .. maybe wajig |
| 01:04.13 | bosko | Ya, checking out gnome schedule |
| 01:04.20 | justin | mindstate: irrelevant... run the gnome-session editor thingy in the failsafe session |
| 01:04.36 | justin | mindstate: add gnome-panel to the 'default' one that is probably there, log out, log back in |
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| 01:06.36 | bosko | Well gnome-schedule looks broken, heh |
| 01:06.47 | bosko | I get a runtime error and a bunch of python code when I try to run it ;p |
| 01:07.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:07.31 | justin | bosko: do you have really complicated scheduled task needs or something? |
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| 01:07.37 | justin | the crontab file isn't rocket science |
| 01:07.49 | bosko | No, Im trying to set this up for someone who wont want to use crontab |
| 01:08.02 | bosko | I can use cron fine, but in this case I want something with a bit more user friendly GUI |
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| 01:09.03 | twobitsprite | does the bittorrent package not supply a gui version? I only see btdownloadheadlesS* |
| 01:09.14 | twobitsprite | and btdownloadcurses* |
| 01:09.21 | Caelum | do newer nvidia gfx cards work ok in linux? |
| 01:09.23 | abrotman | twobitsprite: btdownload-gui or something liek that |
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| 01:09.31 | olsen | bretzel: :) |
| 01:09.56 | HymnToLife | !info bittorrent-gui |
| 01:09.58 | dpkg | bittorrent-gui: (Scatter-gather network file transfer (GUI files)), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-10 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 01:10.18 | HymnToLife | Caelum, yes they do |
| 01:10.27 | twobitsprite | abrotman: nothin... even apt-cache search bt doesn't show it |
| 01:10.37 | HymnToLife | for the 8000 series, you might need to use the drivers from nvidia.com though |
| 01:10.50 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I see gnome-btdownload... |
| 01:10.52 | ithium | hi, is anyone else experiencing broken xen install packages currently? I started to get python errors after an update earlier today, so in the end I wiped my system and installed afresh, and now when trying to apt-install xen I get dependency conflicts between the packages that are installing. |
| 01:11.07 | HymnToLife | I wonder why I did that !info for then.... |
| 01:11.34 | Caelum | HymnToLife: does it require special binary drivers? |
| 01:12.04 | HymnToLife | it requires you install your drivers with the installer from nvidia.com, not the Debian packages |
| 01:12.29 | stoned | what |
| 01:12.37 | Caelum | ah I see |
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| 01:13.03 | eldowan | stoned: did you read about the SDK for the 8800 series from nvidia? |
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| 01:13.18 | stoned | nope |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | !apt-file search btdownloadgui |
| 01:13.26 | stoned | I've been reading about the Universe |
| 01:13.27 | stoned | lately |
| 01:13.30 | olsen | bretzel: debian really feels great since the the moment where you put the cd and you see the debian-installer :) |
| 01:13.57 | eldowan | stoned: allows for programs to access all 96 / 128 cores on the chip for upto ~1Tflop |
| 01:14.10 | stoned | thats great |
| 01:14.16 | eldowan | stoned: Aahh, the universe, good reading. what about the multiverse... ? |
| 01:14.16 | stoned | I might buy one for my new machine |
| 01:14.25 | stoned | Qarls Texture Pack 3 is out |
| 01:14.27 | pipeline | stoned, eldowan : Yes, but it's way fucking painful to write for it :P |
| 01:14.32 | stoned | 2GB of high res graphics |
| 01:14.38 | twobitsprite | abrotman: are you saying to run that? cos it doesn't work |
| 01:14.47 | eldowan | stoned: thats just nuts |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | !find btdownloadgui |
| 01:14.48 | stoned | that thing NEEDS at least 700mb of vidro ram |
| 01:14.53 | abrotman | twobitsprite: i did it wrong :) |
| 01:15.00 | stoned | eldowan: you'll never want to play vanilla oblivion again |
| 01:15.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'btdownloadgui' (3 of 4): (/usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittornado) in net/bittornado-gui ;; (/usr/bin/btdownloadgui.bittorrent) in net/bittorrent-gui ;; (/usr/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Internet/btdownloadgui.desktop) in kde/kappfinder. |
| 01:15.02 | stoned | :) |
| 01:15.20 | abrotman | twobitsprite: do i get a prize ? |
| 01:15.21 | eldowan | stoned: I'm bored with oblivion... |
| 01:15.21 | stoned | btw, that 2gb compressed mod size nothin but textures |
| 01:15.27 | stoned | eldowan: then you suck |
| 01:15.30 | stoned | :D |
| 01:15.32 | abrotman | maybe /msg each other ? |
| 01:15.51 | eldowan | I've got to get back to work anyway, lunch is over... Later all |
| 01:15.58 | stoned | lets msg abrotman |
| 01:16.12 | streuner | yeah :-) |
| 01:16.14 | abrotman | better than your drivel in the channel |
| 01:16.25 | streuner | "drivel"? |
| 01:16.29 | twobitsprite | abrotman: yeah, I guess that's it :) |
| 01:16.35 | twobitsprite | abrotman: I thought i tried that :P |
| 01:16.40 | twobitsprite | !cookie abrotman |
| 01:16.41 | abrotman | twobitsprite: you're on etch or sid ? |
| 01:16.46 | twobitsprite | abrotman: etch |
| 01:16.46 | dpkg | Hey twobitsprite, qotd151 is abrotman: I can't click the link at the moment actually. one of my balls has gone missing |
| 01:16.52 | stoned | Tookie tookie! |
| 01:17.14 | streuner | wth is 'drivel'? |
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| 01:17.23 | abrotman | streuner: dictionary.com |
| 01:17.28 | abrotman | twobitsprite: should be there |
| 01:17.30 | Guerin | streuner: meaninless talk, comes from `dribble' |
| 01:17.32 | cartesian1984 | How does one show broken packages? |
| 01:17.47 | stoned | what is a broken package? |
| 01:17.53 | bosko | Amarok is the most amazing music player Ive ever used |
| 01:17.53 | Guerin | cartesian1984: aptitude upgrade shows 'em pretty well |
| 01:18.04 | cartesian1984 | Guerin: thanks. |
| 01:18.08 | stoned | a package that has bugs or one that won't install? |
| 01:18.12 | cartesian1984 | bosko: I know. It's unmatched, isn't it? |
| 01:18.12 | Guerin | bosko: you need to look harder. |
| 01:18.21 | cartesian1984 | stoned: one that has unmet deps, usually. |
| 01:18.28 | stoned | ah |
| 01:18.41 | streuner | bosko: yeah, but it needs plenty of space and RAM :-/ |
| 01:18.55 | bosko | Ya, but that's not much of an issue for me |
| 01:19.01 | abrotman | cartesian1984: apt-get check |
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| 01:19.15 | Guerin | this is the thing: `music player' has become a synonym for `all-in-one media centre' |
| 01:19.16 | cartesian1984 | abrotman: thanks, that's perfect. |
| 01:19.19 | stoned | well moderm machines these days with dual core cpus and 2gb ram are quite common |
| 01:19.25 | amigo | what the kernel param for no swap? |
| 01:19.28 | bosko | It has a ton of features which is great if you don't need a minimalistic player |
| 01:19.29 | amigo | noswap? |
| 01:19.33 | stoned | even on 512 or 1gb ram single core its not that much of a hog |
| 01:19.53 | streuner | amigo: kernelparameters.txt in linux-source or such... |
| 01:19.56 | Guerin | the problem is I don't want some broken non-interoperable database which makes bad guesses about music based on broken id tags |
| 01:20.07 | amigo | thanks streuner |
| 01:20.14 | stoned | Guerin: you don't tag your stuff? |
| 01:20.17 | zerod` | sup |
| 01:20.19 | raxip | hey |
| 01:20.24 | streuner | oh god, i love my disconnections ;-) |
| 01:20.34 | bosko | so you're blaming your problems on your own faults |
| 01:20.35 | Guerin | stoned: no, i store all relevant information in the filename |
| 01:20.42 | stoned | Guerin: tags are like a pet peeve of mine or obsession. I gotta have proper clean tags and a net and clean db |
| 01:20.46 | Guerin | stoned: since it's the only 100% interoperable method |
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| 01:21.19 | stoned | of course that too |
| 01:21.22 | abrotman | Guerin: unless your OS doesn't support long file names :) |
| 01:21.49 | stoned | abrotman: then you need to switch os |
| 01:21.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:22.16 | streuner | somebody using DOS ;-) |
| 01:22.17 | Guerin | bosko: no... how does that follow? |
| 01:22.26 | stoned | somebody using amarok on dos? |
| 01:22.33 | stoned | alrighty then |
| 01:22.35 | cartesian1984 | Are there still modern operating systems that don't support long filenames? |
| 01:22.53 | cartesian1984 | With the exception of modern OSes using crappy filesystems :) |
| 01:23.16 | stoned | what constitutes a crappy file system? |
| 01:23.18 | zerod` | you tell me |
| 01:23.21 | raxip | confidential |
| 01:23.28 | Guerin | cartesian1984: no, an OS which doesn't support long filenames is by definition not modern |
| 01:23.54 | abrotman | though .. i don't know if there is a filename size difference between "modern" OSes |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | like linux is 256 and NT is 512 . or anything like that |
| 01:24.29 | stoned | thats a looooong file name |
| 01:24.33 | bosko | Guerin: sorry, read wrong |
| 01:24.37 | litage | hrm this is new! when configuring a partition in the Etch installer, i can set a name for a partition. what's the difference between a name and a label? |
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| 01:25.16 | stoned | litage: I don't think there is |
| 01:25.39 | stoned | I would think so at least |
| 01:25.48 | litage | stoned: so what happens if you set the name and label to different values? |
| 01:25.49 | twobitsprite | hmm... kmplayer just sits there doing nothing |
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| 01:26.10 | bosko | I have a silly question .. I just downloaded an app, but have no clue where it was stored. I can't find it under my Apps menu, and trying to run its package name under the terminal doesn't work. What's the best method on figuring out where the main executable has been stored? (I'm new to the GUI side of Linux so forgive me) |
| 01:26.12 | stoned | litage: ah there are two choices, no clue then |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | litage: try it .. let us know .. or man fdisk ? |
| 01:26.26 | abrotman | bosko: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 01:26.28 | stoned | litage: I thought you were asking if name was the same as lable |
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| 01:26.37 | justin | dpkg -L pkg | grep bin too |
| 01:26.37 | dpkg | No packages found matching pkg | grep bin too |
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| 01:26.43 | justin | dpkg: shut up :-P |
| 01:26.48 | raf256 | bosko: you DOWNLOADED it? or installed |
| 01:26.53 | litage | stoned: well, i'm asking how they're related |
| 01:26.54 | raf256 | !bitchslap justin |
| 01:26.58 | bosko | apt-get install'ed it |
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| 01:27.12 | abrotman | bosko: we know . dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin |
| 01:27.18 | stoned | litage: I don't know but let me know when you find out |
| 01:27.22 | bosko | Ya, Im doing it. I was just answering his question :p |
| 01:27.50 | raf256 | how is Lesbian-debian more suitable for lesbians? |
| 01:27.51 | stoned | label _IS_ really the name you give to the drive. Now the name I dunno what that could be |
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| 01:28.02 | abrotman | raf256: it has a website |
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| 01:28.13 | raf256 | abrotman: so, did it worked well for you? |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | raf256: did what .. the website .. yes, i can read |
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| 01:28.49 | stoned | I think he meant to call you a lesbian |
| 01:28.57 | Ryushin | Hey guys, I just screwed up bad. |
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| 01:29.06 | abrotman | Ryushin: you sold your kidney? |
| 01:29.08 | raf256 | Ryushin: congratulations. Next! |
| 01:29.15 | Guerin | Ryushin: woke up with your mother? |
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| 01:29.19 | wwallace | E: Package libfaad2-0 has no installation candidate |
| 01:29.19 | wwallace | root@MP3J:/home/wwallace# |
| 01:29.25 | stoned | Ryushin: well, at least you know you screwed up |
| 01:29.38 | stoned | Guerin: wrong... its wrong! |
| 01:29.45 | raf256 | wwallace: why you need it? |
| 01:29.46 | Guerin | wwallace: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia; /msg dpkg search |
| 01:29.48 | Ryushin | I dd a floppy image over my scsi boot drive. |
| 01:29.57 | Guerin | stoned: so, so wrong. |
| 01:30.02 | raf256 | confused if and of? |
| 01:30.06 | abrotman | Ryushin: backup ? |
| 01:30.11 | Guerin | Ryushin: time to restore teh backups |
| 01:30.18 | Ryushin | Now I totally fubor'd my partition table. |
| 01:30.30 | raf256 | Ryushin: well, its so good you have the backup |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | more than that if you let it finish |
| 01:30.37 | Ryushin | Is there anyway to scan the disk and rebuild the partition table. |
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| 01:30.44 | Guerin | hm, is there a partition table backed up elsewhere on the drive? |
| 01:30.47 | Guerin | i forget this |
| 01:30.54 | abrotman | Ryushin: yes .. i belive there is |
| 01:31.27 | raf256 | Ryushin: besides partition table you probably erased part of first partition |
| 01:31.27 | abrotman | !info gpart etch |
| 01:31.27 | Ryushin | And that's the boot partition which will be very easy to fix. |
| 01:31.27 | dpkg | gpart: (Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.1h-4.1 (etch), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 01:31.28 | abrotman | Ryushin: no .. 1.44MB is more than your partition table IIRC |
| 01:31.38 | raf256 | partition table is 512 bytes isnt it |
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| 01:32.01 | Ryushin | Right, it nuked the partition table and the first part of my /boot partition. I can recreate that without any problem. |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:32.12 | raf256 | go with gpart |
| 01:32.17 | Ryushin | So I'll need to re-install grub, create a new partition. |
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| 01:32.29 | raf256 | btw, for cases like this |
| 01:32.42 | raf256 | can one have his /dev/hd* as chmod 000 ? |
| 01:32.44 | Ryushin | Is gpart on the knoppix CD? I guess I'll find out. |
| 01:32.53 | Ryushin | Oh, and abrotman, thank you. |
| 01:32.59 | raf256 | Ryushin: if not then google RIP live cd |
| 01:33.03 | abrotman | Ryushin: i hope your day gets better :) |
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| 01:33.19 | tarcisio | ola |
| 01:33.29 | tarcisio | sala portugues |
| 01:33.31 | raf256 | can one have his /dev/hd* as chmod 000 ? and how to since I suppose its rewriten by udev |
| 01:33.33 | abrotman | !br |
| 01:33.34 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:33.50 | abrotman | raf256: doubtful |
| 01:34.00 | wwallace | transcode dvdwizard dont install |
| 01:34.01 | raf256 | why doubtful |
| 01:34.13 | abrotman | raf256: things still have to write to it |
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| 01:34.23 | raf256 | no they dont |
| 01:34.29 | bzed | raf256: especially if your file system is on it ;) |
| 01:34.29 | raf256 | they need to write to actuall filesystems |
| 01:34.47 | wwallace | raf256, why not? |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | fdisk ? |
| 01:34.49 | raf256 | chmod 000 on /dev/hda1 do not stop KERNEL from writting into /dev/hda1 via filesystem afair |
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| 01:35.21 | abrotman | why would the device exist if nothing used it ? |
| 01:35.48 | raf256 | yey I was right! |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | grub-install /dev/hda ? |
| 01:36.30 | raf256 | hda is where all my / /home /usr etc are |
| 01:36.37 | raf256 | it seems it works since Im still here =) |
| 01:36.53 | bzed | raf256: sure that your journal is still alive? where does lvm write it's metadata to? |
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| 01:37.20 | raf256 | bzed: I do not use lvm. I have ext3 jfs reiserfs file systems |
| 01:37.21 | wwallace | my sources http://paste.debian.net/22257 |
| 01:37.34 | raf256 | bzed: it seems that KERNEL driver for file system bypass the chmod on driver it uses |
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| 01:37.54 | raf256 | chmod of /dev/hda1 is only important when doing like cat /dev/null > /dev/hda1 from USER space |
| 01:38.04 | raf256 | from what I see... am I correct? |
| 01:38.06 | abrotman | raf256: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:38.16 | raf256 | abrotman: erm, why? |
| 01:38.30 | abrotman | because you're installing it ? |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | it wouldn't work for you |
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| 01:39.24 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 01:40.49 | bzed | I can see a lot of reasons why you'd want to have /dev/hd* read/writeable by root. and only one why not |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | it's only rw for root:disk |
| 01:41.10 | raf256 | erm wait |
| 01:41.10 | abrotman | 660 |
| 01:41.26 | raf256 | how can I have a file which is not readable even by root? |
| 01:41.30 | abrotman | Ryushin ran his command as root |
| 01:41.38 | abrotman | raf256: chmod 000 <file> |
| 01:41.46 | raf256 | abrotman: no it doesnt work |
| 01:42.04 | abrotman | what doesn't |
| 01:42.16 | Ryushin | Okay, it's scanning. Hopefully I'll get back good news when it's done. |
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| 01:42.25 | dav__ | elo |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | Ryushin: will you cry otherwise ? |
| 01:42.33 | raf256 | I have a file foo which is chown root.root and chmod 000 even then root can read and write to this file |
| 01:42.45 | dav__ | what is the name of he package to install to have C headers /usr/src/linux/include ? |
| 01:42.46 | Ryushin | Man I feel stupid. And I'm not to happy that usb floppy drives get set up as scsi disks. |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | dav__: which version of debian ? |
| 01:43.11 | abrotman | Ryushin: doh! |
| 01:43.12 | dav__ | abrotman, etch |
| 01:43.18 | abrotman | Rydekull: /dev/fd0 ? |
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| 01:43.30 | abrotman | dav__: aptitude search linux-headers |
| 01:43.51 | Ryushin | abrotman: Well, I do have backups off all the critical files. So life isn't over. It will just take awhile to do a restore, and my backups have been broken for a couple of weeks and I've been meaning to fix them. |
| 01:43.54 | raf256 | lol root ignores chmod, damn I forgot |
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| 01:44.04 | pinx | raf256: try creating a new user, then create the file owned by that user, change the permissions to 007 and then remove the user |
| 01:44.08 | bretzel | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | Ryushin: sounds liek a good plan for tomorrow |
| 01:44.20 | abrotman | bretzel: theme ? |
| 01:44.45 | raf256 | pinx: I think only MAC/RBAC can stop root user from accessing a file |
| 01:44.53 | Ryushin | abrotman: Yea, usb floppy drives get mapped to /dev/sd*. Not cool. |
| 01:45.02 | bretzel | yes a theme, gfxmenu (hdx,x)/boot/grub/a cool debian.msg |
| 01:45.07 | abrotman | Ryushin: don't they get an alias in /dev/ like /dev/floppy0 or anything ? |
| 01:45.10 | pinx | raf256: did you try that ? |
| 01:45.18 | abrotman | bretzel: google didn't turn up anything ? |
| 01:45.31 | raf256 | pinx: no, did you? |
| 01:45.34 | dav__ | abrotman, doesn't work i tried to install, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-486 (this is my kernel) it says 0 new but look in vmware-config.pl it says hat is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 01:45.34 | dav__ | kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] |
| 01:45.48 | bretzel | abrotman: no, all gfxgrub themes related are all pointing to ubuntu !! |
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| 01:45.50 | Ryushin | Not sure. I symlinked /dev/fd0 to /dev/sda on my laptop. And I had another open windows that was on my server when I ran the command. Dumb dumb dumb! |
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| 01:45.52 | abrotman | dav__: what's the real error ? |
| 01:45.55 | pinx | raf256: I wasn't asking the question..... |
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| 01:45.58 | abrotman | bretzel: those bastards! |
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| 01:46.00 | fridim | hi |
| 01:46.06 | abrotman | dav__: version.h or something ? |
| 01:46.08 | bretzel | lol |
| 01:46.12 | dav__ | abrotman, this is not an error it just sais it is already installed |
| 01:46.29 | dav__ | abrotman, i think, it is needed for vmare-config |
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| 01:47.43 | fridim | I successfulely created RAID1 array using mdadm and two partitions (linux raid) /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1. But at the boot, even if I change the DEVICE entry in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, it always create the array with /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd, why and how can I set properly the partition to use? |
| 01:47.45 | abrotman | dav__: so there's no error but it doesn't work ? |
| 01:48.05 | bretzel | okay I admit: I am far from being an artist or even I am bad in graphics manip... thus I rely on others ... while other rely on me for coding tho:-) -- oh just remember, gnome-look.org should have some debian or generic gfx boot themes other than anyoing Ubuntu! |
| 01:48.26 | dav__ | abrotman, The path "/usr/src/linux/include" is not an existing directory. |
| 01:48.41 | dav__ | abrotman, but i have created a symlink to the right dir... |
| 01:48.58 | abrotman | you did ? |
| 01:49.11 | Ryushin | fridim: Did you create the partitions and assign them a type of FD for Raid Auto Detect? |
| 01:49.15 | abrotman | tried asking #vmware ? |
| 01:49.16 | fridim | yes |
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| 01:49.36 | fridim | with fdisk and of type FD exactly |
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| 01:50.36 | Ryushin | fridim: Odd. I've never even seen mdadm be able to create a whole disk without any partitions in it. |
| 01:50.40 | dav__ | abrotman, he path "/usr/src/linux/include" is an existing directory, but it does not |
| 01:50.40 | dav__ | contain at least one of these directories "linux", "asm", "net" as expected. |
| 01:50.42 | predder | fridim, what's the problem you're having? |
| 01:50.55 | abrotman | dav__: where did you point it? |
| 01:51.02 | Ryushin | fridim: Is there any data in your paritions? |
| 01:51.18 | fridim | I've data on /dev/sdc1, but when the array is on /dev/sdc and sdd it contains nothing and it has no type |
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| 01:51.33 | dav__ | abrotman, mesage coming from vmware-config lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 31 2007-02-20 02:52 linux -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3 |
| 01:51.51 | fridim | when I use fdisk again on sdc and sdd and reload the array properly, i've data when mounting the /dev/md0 (the array) |
| 01:52.02 | Ryushin | Whoa, wait a minute. |
| 01:52.03 | fridim | reload the array with sdc1 and sdd1 |
| 01:52.13 | Ryushin | You have data on sdc1 that you want to keep? |
| 01:52.33 | Wyzard | dav__: You don't need /usr/src/linux/include to run vmware-config... you need to install the appropriate headers package for your kernel |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | dav__: so the script can tell the difference between a dir and symlink to a dir ? |
| 01:52.43 | fridim | not for the moment, but yes I would like to, that's why I want a raid1 :) |
| 01:52.59 | bluesfx | what's the difference between the kernels "linux-image-2.6-686" and "linux-image-2.6.18-3-686" ? |
| 01:53.44 | n3kl | Does anyone know if its possible to get around iptables, given that it is correctly configured? |
| 01:53.44 | dav__ | abrotman, no it wws just a "ls" to show you what i have symlinked |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:53.45 | dav__ | Wyzard, what s the way |
| 01:53.45 | abrotman | n3kl: ask #iptables .. |
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| 01:53.45 | Wyzard | bluesfx: The former depends on the latter... when a new kernel is released it gets a version number like 2.6.18-4-686, but that's a different package so it doesn't get installed automatically |
| 01:53.45 | n3kl | abrotman: thx |
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| 01:53.54 | fridim | but after the boot, mdadm use sdc and sdd not sdc1 and sdd1. If I recreate the FD partitions with fdisk and recreate the array, it works fine (no loose of data) |
| 01:53.54 | dav__ | Wyzard, do you know an easy way to install vware |
| 01:53.57 | antum | Hi there, I've finally setup my mail server, hooray for me! |
| 01:54.00 | dav__ | Wyzard, vmware :) |
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| 01:54.04 | Wyzard | blue: so linux-image-2.6-686 gets updated to a new version, 2.6.18-4-686, which depends on the new linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 package |
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| 01:54.21 | fridim | anyway, my problem is : How can I make mdadm use sdc1 sdd1 instead of sdc and sdd |
| 01:54.22 | Wyzard | bluesfx: That's how you get automatic installation of new kernels when they're released |
| 01:54.27 | Wyzard | dav__: What kernel are you running? |
| 01:54.39 | eshaase | i'm using some headphones and for some reason adjusting the master volume switch doesn't seem to have any affect (only the PCM and headphone slider do in alsamixer)... how do i make the master slider control everything? |
| 01:55.01 | Ryushin | Well, then it's best to create sdd1, assign it as fd, make a raid array with sdc1 as a failed disk. You won't want it to touch sdc1 at all. Then put a fs on /dev/md0 (or whatever you wanted), and move the data from sdc1 to sdd1. After that, join sdc1 to the array. |
| 01:55.04 | dav__ | Wyzard, Linux debian 2.6.18-3-486 #1 Mon Dec 4 15:59:52 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:55.27 | abrotman | eshaase: depends on the player |
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| 01:55.36 | Wyzard | dav__: Why -486? (Are you actually using something older than a Pentium Pro?) |
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| 01:55.57 | dav__ | Wyzard, Pentium 4 |
| 01:56.18 | Wyzard | dav__: You should use -686 for that, not -486 |
| 01:56.31 | dav__ | Wyzard, what cld it change ? |
| 01:56.41 | eshaase | abrotman: i'm using audacious, so the mplayer decides where to play it? |
| 01:56.57 | abrotman | nfc what audacious is |
| 01:57.01 | HymnToLife | dav__, apt-get install linux-686 |
| 01:57.05 | bluesfx | Wyzard: so if I want my kernel to be updated next time I update everything (and a kernel update is available) I should use "linux-image-2.6-686" and if I want to update manually I use the one with the specific version? |
| 01:57.10 | Wyzard | dav__: It can take advantage of features in the newer processors, for better performance |
| 01:57.13 | HymnToLife | !info linux-686 |
| 01:57.13 | fridim | Ryushin: i'll try that |
| 01:57.22 | abrotman | HymnToLife: wtf is that ? |
| 01:57.34 | fridim | I never mke2fs the /dev/md0 |
| 01:57.40 | abrotman | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 01:57.42 | jelly-home | HymnToLife: you probably meant what bluesfx just typed |
| 01:57.46 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+5 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 01:57.47 | Wyzard | dav__: Anyway, install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-486 (or linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 if you switch kernels) |
| 01:58.13 | Wyzard | bluesfx: The one with the specific version is the actual kernel, and will be installed in either case |
| 01:58.36 | Wyzard | bluesfx: The other one is a metapackage which just pulls in the latest actual kernel, so if you want automatic installation of new kernels, you install that too |
| 01:58.41 | jelly-home | HymnToLife: probably better not give any advice, than to give bad one |
| 01:58.47 | fridim | Ryushin: what do you mean by "put an fs on /dev/md0" ? |
| 01:59.00 | fridim | mkfs.ext3 /dev/md0 for example ? |
| 01:59.11 | HymnToLife | jelly-home, trying to apt-get a package that doesn't exist won't do much harm I guess |
| 01:59.15 | dav__ | Wyzard, this is what i have already done but it seems that something is missing... do you know an easy step (like debian package) to install vmware |
| 01:59.22 | bluesfx | Wyzard: thanks a lot! :) |
| 01:59.23 | HymnToLife | it was actually linux-image-686 but nvm |
| 01:59.36 | jelly-home | HymnToLife: misleading a new user is harmful enough |
| 01:59.40 | Wyzard | dav__: Installing the linux-headers package will create a symlink /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-486/build which points to the actual kernel headers, and VMware will find and use that |
| 01:59.41 | Ryushin | fridim: Yep. |
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| 01:59.53 | hatter | fridim: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 01:59.58 | hatter | raid1 howto, |
| 02:00.11 | fridim | I didn't do that since I kept the data from sdc1, maybe it's the problem |
| 02:00.14 | Wyzard | dav__: The fact that vmware-config is looking for /usr/src/linux means it didn't find a "build" symlink in /lib/modules, so you probably don't have your headers installed |
| 02:00.20 | hatter | if you care about your data, you should have a good read |
| 02:00.27 | fridim | hatter: i'll follow the tut, thanks |
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| 02:01.01 | hatter | fridim: i have done it a few times, and its probably better to follow the tut than get answers here |
| 02:01.05 | Wyzard | dav__: There's a package called "vmware-package" that's supposed to help with installing VMware Player, but it doesn't claim to support Workstation or Server and I've never used it |
| 02:01.14 | hatter | until after you are familiar with md anyways |
| 02:01.16 | dav__ | Wyzard, ok anyway i change to linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 02:01.20 | fridim | hatter: sure. |
| 02:01.28 | Wyzard | dav__: However, installing VMware manually is pretty straightfoward if you install the right headers package... I'm using Workstation 6 beta right now |
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| 02:01.43 | fridim | wajig? |
| 02:01.55 | fridim | what's the difference with aptitude? |
| 02:02.05 | Wyzard | dav__: OK, once you've installed the new kernel and rebooted, install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686, and then you'll have a /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/build symlink |
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| 02:02.15 | Guerin | wajig isn't part of debian, is it? |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | !info wajig etch |
| 02:02.38 | Guerin | i mean |
| 02:02.40 | dpkg | wajig: (simplified Debian package management front end), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.34 (etch), Packaged size: 90 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 02:02.47 | Guerin | it's *in* debian but it's not *by* debian |
| 02:03.13 | dav__ | Wyzard, how did u installed the workstation |
| 02:03.17 | abrotman | Guerin: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/w/wajig/wajig_2.0.34/wajig.copyright |
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| 02:03.31 | Wyzard | dav__: I used the tar installer and ran vmware-config |
| 02:04.07 | dav__ | Wyzard, i m coming back after reboot kernel updated |
| 02:04.11 | Wyzard | dav__: I've installed and used all versions of Workstation since 3.0 in the same way, as well as Server 1.0 |
| 02:04.21 | dav__ | Wyzard, modules have been installed in isn't it ? |
| 02:04.34 | Wyzard | dav__: I don't understand that question |
| 02:04.53 | abrotman | jelly-home: but you're not norwegian! |
| 02:05.02 | dav__ | Wyzard, modules (loadable) like sound etc... are installed by default with linux-image ? |
| 02:05.38 | Wyzard | dav__: Yes, the standard set of modules are considered part of the kernel and they're all installed by linux-image |
| 02:05.51 | dav__ | Wyzard, k thks i m coming |
| 02:05.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: how come? |
| 02:06.06 | jelly-home | !confuse abrotman |
| 02:06.06 | dpkg | No, those are my hamster today, abrotman? wellies of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra cheese |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: dunno . blame your parents? |
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| 02:07.54 | raf256 | why so little people use jabber? |
| 02:08.11 | abrotman | lots of people do .. just noone has you in their buddy list :) |
| 02:08.21 | Guerin | raf256: because until very recently all the windows clients were crap, and not sponsored by a search engine |
| 02:08.38 | abrotman | accounts |
| 02:08.46 | Guerin | \even now, most people using gtalk don't realise it's jabber |
| 02:08.49 | raf256 | Guerin: I have same conclusion, jabber sucks in some parts |
| 02:09.03 | Guerin | raf256: what sucks about it? |
| 02:09.32 | raf256 | Guerin: for every day user? not good emoticons, pictures, transfer of files |
| 02:09.40 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | you're using the wrong client .. i have all of those things |
| 02:09.49 | Guerin | those are problems with clients |
| 02:09.51 | Guerin | not with jabber |
| 02:09.53 | raf256 | can you insert image into the message? |
| 02:09.58 | Guerin | of course |
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| 02:10.03 | raf256 | which clients? |
| 02:10.05 | raf256 | kopete? |
| 02:10.06 | Guerin | *if* your client supports it |
| 02:10.15 | raf256 | actually... if BOTH clients support it |
| 02:10.18 | Guerin | how the hell should I know, i use irssi ;) |
| 02:10.22 | Guerin | raf256: well, duh |
| 02:10.25 | raf256 | which is and organization problem |
| 02:10.39 | raf256 | there should be a clear standard like... Jabber2 or whatever |
| 02:10.39 | Guerin | raf256: the same problem exists with every protocol there is |
| 02:10.46 | Guerin | no, there shouldn't |
| 02:10.52 | Guerin | there *is* a standard |
| 02:10.56 | raf256 | and only clients supporting ALL the feautures could call selfs compatible |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | draconian OSS! .. the new fad! |
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| 02:11.11 | Guerin | nothing should be imposed upon clients |
| 02:11.12 | dav__ | re |
| 02:11.21 | dav__ | Wyzard, ok i have installed new kernel what is ok |
| 02:11.32 | raf256 | Guerin: IE7 should not be called "a web browser" |
| 02:11.46 | Guerin | raf256: why? It browses the web. Ask anyone who uses it. |
| 02:11.47 | raf256 | by same token psi nor kopete should be called "jabber client" |
| 02:11.50 | Gnurdux | why not? |
| 02:11.53 | dav__ | Wyzard, what package do you advise me to install |
| 02:11.57 | raf256 | IE7? wtf? |
| 02:11.58 | Guerin | raf256: it might not do it *well*, but that's not relevant. |
| 02:12.01 | Gnurdux | whats non-web-browser about ie7? |
| 02:12.10 | Wyzard | dav__: linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 (which I've already told you twice) |
| 02:12.15 | raf256 | Gnurdux: it fails to display xhtml sites, png images, and much more |
| 02:12.19 | raf256 | *correctly |
| 02:12.28 | raf256 | I mean... there is a need for QA. |
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| 02:12.39 | Gnurdux | raf256, it doesnt do PNGs? |
| 02:12.41 | jelly-home | raf256: is it in Debian? |
| 02:12.46 | Guerin | raf256: not at protocol level |
| 02:12.47 | raf256 | jelly-home: what? |
| 02:12.47 | abrotman | Gnurdux: yes it does |
| 02:12.56 | raf256 | Gnurdux: gamma correction is broken |
| 02:12.56 | abrotman | then it's OT! |
| 02:13.02 | Guerin | raf256: QA happens at the ap[plication level, and is 100% the responsibility of the development team |
| 02:13.05 | jelly-home | raf256: this ie7 thing..., is it in Debian? |
| 02:13.12 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 02:13.14 | raf256 | jelly-home: no, it was an example |
| 02:13.16 | Guerin | jelly-home: raf256 IS WORKING ON A PORT |
| 02:13.18 | abrotman | god damn .. qemu without kqemu is slow |
| 02:13.21 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:13.24 | jelly-home | Guerin: sweet! |
| 02:13.29 | Guerin | i need to kill my caps key again |
| 02:13.34 | raf256 | why not use kqemu, its open source |
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| 02:13.42 | raf256 | abrotman: you know kqemu was open sourced? |
| 02:13.44 | abrotman | the one in debian isn't |
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| 02:13.52 | abrotman | raf256: i'm well aware .. that version isn't in debian |
| 02:14.00 | jelly-home | abrotman: do a NMU! |
| 02:14.04 | raf256 | !spank qemu DD |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: into etch ? i'll pass |
| 02:14.29 | raf256 | !is kqemu in experimental |
| 02:14.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | packages.debian.org/kqemu-source |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 02:15.14 | dav__ | Wyzard, fucking problem :) now The directory of kernel headers (version @@VMWARE@@ UTS_RELEASE) does not match |
| 02:15.15 | dav__ | your running kernel (version 2.6.18-3-686). Even if the module were to compile |
| 02:15.15 | dav__ | successfully, it would not load into the running kernel. |
| 02:15.16 | raf256 | abrotman: help |
| 02:15.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: I believe that's binary-blob kernel glue, like nvidia-source |
| 02:15.21 | maddash__ | what's wrong with qemu? |
| 02:15.34 | raf256 | maddash__: its more slow then peace mission in iraq |
| 02:15.50 | abrotman | raf256: help yourself |
| 02:15.58 | Wyzard | dav__: What directory did vmware-config find the headers in? |
| 02:15.58 | raf256 | maddash__: my grandma could simmulate the program on abacadus |
| 02:15.58 | abrotman | Wyzard: yes .. it is .. which is now GPLed |
| 02:16.04 | raf256 | maddash__: my grandma could simmulate the program faster on a abacadus |
| 02:16.15 | abrotman | maddash_: without kqemu .. it's a bit slow |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | abacus |
| 02:16.24 | raf256 | x30 time slower kind of slow |
| 02:16.36 | dav__ | Wyzard, the new symlink linux --> header-686 i just created |
| 02:16.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: but that package doesn't yet contain the GPLed sources |
| 02:16.42 | maddash | raf256: abrotman are you guys kidding? isn't qemu known for its speed? |
| 02:16.51 | raf256 | maddash: lol? |
| 02:17.12 | raf256 | maddash: it is 10-30 time slower |
| 02:17.19 | Wyzard | dav__: Again, I've told you twice already: the linux-headers package creates a new symlink, called /lib/modules/linux-image-2.6.18-3-686/build, and VMware finds that automatically |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | maddash_: with kqemu it's fine .. without it's slow |
| 02:17.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: right |
| 02:17.30 | raf256 | maddash: well do qemu -snapshot -hda /dev/hda and find out =) |
| 02:17.36 | Wyzard | dav__: Do not create your own symlink and do not tell vmware-config to look for the headers somewhere else |
| 02:17.45 | raf256 | do not foget the -snapshot option or you will fuck up own driver |
| 02:17.48 | raf256 | *drive |
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| 02:18.05 | maddash | ohhh w/o kqemu |
| 02:18.24 | raf256 | I think qemu should have mendatory -overwrite option and by default start in spashot mode |
| 02:19.08 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 02:20.10 | dav__ | Wyzard, i let it falled, i just ran qemu -cdrom ./Windows-installer-XP.iso, it shld install xp but how to load it after |
| 02:20.16 | fridim | re |
| 02:20.44 | Wyzard | dav__: Suddenly you're installing qemu instead of vmware? |
| 02:20.45 | fridim | I've followed the tutorial, with missing instead of /dev/sdc1 : It still set up the array with sdc and sdd ! |
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| 02:21.09 | Wyzard | dav__: VMware is not that difficult to install... you're creating more work for yourself than you need to |
| 02:21.12 | dav__ | Wyzard, ino qemu is already installed |
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| 02:21.31 | litage | i'm halfway through the Etch installer, and it's installing packages. however, i just noticed that one of the package installation processes is waiting for input. it says "in-target: Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway?". but that's just a log message. how can i send input ("yes"/"no") to that process? |
| 02:21.31 | fridim | (and i've correctly change the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf with mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 02:21.40 | dav__ | Wyzard, yes but with workstation only i can't load an iso file isn't it ? |
| 02:21.53 | vick | is there something to bitcomet ? |
| 02:21.59 | vick | simmiliar to bitcomet* |
| 02:22.02 | Wyzard | dav__: Yes you can -- I just finished installing Solaris 10 in a virtual machine using an ISO file of the installation DVD, in fact |
| 02:22.28 | dav__ | Wyzard, great! |
| 02:22.38 | fridim | So, maybe there is something that automatically set up my array, I don't know, it's annoying |
| 02:23.01 | dav__ | Wyzard, but it s strange i downloaded the header and it hasn't created any "linux" dir |
| 02:23.12 | dav__ | Wyzard, i had to symlink it by myself |
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| 02:23.47 | Wyzard | dav__: I've told you several times already that you don't need /usr/src/linux, and that the linux-headers package creates a "build" symlink which vmware-config will find and use |
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| 02:24.13 | rahul | !penixstrike nunag |
| 02:24.13 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking nunag to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:24.16 | abrotman | tell him again! |
| 02:24.23 | abrotman | erm . not him |
| 02:24.24 | Wyzard | dav__: I'm trying to help you install VMware but you're ignoring what I say and asking me things I've already answered |
| 02:24.26 | rahul | nunag: it was a trap ;) |
| 02:24.36 | rahul | nunag: your duty here is complete. you may leave. :P |
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| 02:25.09 | xixor | hello everybody |
| 02:25.16 | dav__ | Wyzard, no at first i have remove linux symlink as you said |
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| 02:25.31 | dav__ | Wyzard, but it hasn' created it when i have done the apt-get install |
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| 02:26.10 | Wyzard | dav__: You're telling me that /usr/src/linux was not created when you installed linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 02:26.20 | Wyzard | dav__: IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE CREATED |
| 02:26.38 | Wyzard | It does not need to exist, it will not be used, and you should not create it yourself |
| 02:26.54 | Smoked1 | I usually use a hardware firewall and have never needed a software based firewall but now I do. What should I use with debian? iptables? ipfw? |
| 02:27.22 | abrotman | iptables |
| 02:27.36 | Wyzard | Smoked1: iptables is the part of the kernel that actually implements the firewall, but writing iptables rules manually is a pain |
| 02:27.43 | dav__ | Wyzard, ha ok |
| 02:27.43 | dav__ | :) |
| 02:27.48 | Smoked1 | Oh boy |
| 02:27.54 | dav__ | Wyzard, so i remove it and afte |
| 02:27.55 | Smoked1 | This is for a web server too |
| 02:28.01 | Wyzard | Smoked1: All the "firewall" packages are actually frontends for generating iptables rules from a policy that you specify |
| 02:28.16 | Smoked1 | I see |
| 02:28.32 | Wyzard | Smoked1: I'd suggest looking into FireHOL (for a very clean and succint configuration syntax) or Shorewall (possibly a bit more powerful than FireHOL, but the configuration is less elegant) |
| 02:28.40 | Wyzard | s/succint/succinct/ |
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| 02:29.06 | Smoked1 | I will google that and see what I find |
| 02:29.09 | PrMoriarty | hello |
| 02:29.11 | Wyzard | They're both packaged |
| 02:29.20 | Wyzard | as "firehol" and "shorewall" respectively |
| 02:29.26 | Smoked1 | sweet |
| 02:29.32 | Smoked1 | Thanks a bunch |
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| 02:30.10 | Smoked1 | What would be sweet would be a web based interface for it |
| 02:30.19 | Guerin | why? |
| 02:30.27 | Guerin | firewalls shouldn't be remotely configurable |
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| 02:30.32 | Guerin | it sort of defeats the purpose |
| 02:30.38 | Wyzard | dav__: Now that you've installed the right linux-headers, run vmware-config again, and when it gets to the step where it asks for the location of the kernel headers, the default value will be something beginning with "/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/build" |
| 02:30.45 | Smoked1 | Yeah thats true |
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| 02:30.57 | Smoked1 | But at least you could use it and then turn it off or something |
| 02:31.01 | Wyzard | dav__: The value which VMware is defaulting to is the correct one so you should just press Enter at that point |
| 02:31.26 | Smoked1 | I am just thinking out loud here. I am probably way wrong |
| 02:31.30 | Wyzard | Smoked1: It's no big deal to SSH in and edit a text file |
| 02:31.36 | hatter | anyone used the upsd ? when i unlplug the ups it says 'cannot execute /etc/init.d/powerfail' in syslog |
| 02:31.53 | Smoked1 | YEah you are right. I don't use a web interface for anything else so why this |
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| 02:32.13 | Wyzard | hatter: I use apcupsd and I have no /etc/init.d/powerfail on my system |
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| 02:33.52 | hatter | wyzard: i imagine powerfail is supposed to be installed with the upsd, does your apcupsd use something else for powering down ? |
| 02:34.37 | Wyzard | hatter: I think it just calls init directly when it comes time to shutdown, though I'm not sure |
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| 02:35.52 | fridim | Can't I just use /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd for my array ? |
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| 02:36.38 | fridim | cause, It always replaces /dev/sdc1 and /dev/sdd1 by /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd |
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| 02:37.43 | Wyzard | fridim: What always replaces them? |
| 02:37.55 | fridim | at the boot |
| 02:38.06 | fridim | I don't know, the init.d script |
| 02:38.20 | Wyzard | fridim: It's possible to use raw disks, but it's preferable to use partitions so that if the disk gets connected to another computer for some reason (like troubleshooting or whatever), the disk has a valid partition so the other computer can make some sense of it |
| 02:38.23 | fridim | whatever I put in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 02:39.02 | litage | are the Etch daily images only available from cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 02:39.11 | Wyzard | You don't need to list specific devices in mdadm.conf |
| 02:39.26 | Wyzard | but where do you see these device names being "replaced" ? |
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| 02:39.40 | Wyzard | Something is editing your mdadm.conf and changing them? |
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| 02:40.19 | fridim | Wyzard: no, just in mdadm --detail /dev/md0 |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | litage: i think so |
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| 02:40.51 | litage | abrotman: hrmmz. i'm getting like 5k/s |
| 02:40.53 | fridim | before and after boot it's respectively : /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sdc, /dev/sdd |
| 02:40.57 | Wyzard | fridim: and /proc/mdstat too? |
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| 02:41.07 | abrotman | litage: sorry .. the cats are in your tubz |
| 02:41.40 | fridim | Wyzard: certainly, I didn't look, but the array is clean before reboot, and degraded after |
| 02:42.19 | raf256 | I have a crazy ass old crt monitor which do not work in text mode... what might be grub boot option to have framebuffer console |
| 02:42.51 | fridim | "You don't need to list specific devices in mdadm.conf" <- you mean DEVICE /proc/partitions is enough ? |
| 02:43.07 | rares000 | vga = 791 or 792 |
| 02:43.27 | fridim | and why in tutorials, they put something like ARRAY /dev/md0 ... in the config file? |
| 02:43.29 | raf256 | thanks |
| 02:44.02 | Wyzard | fridim: On the ARRAY line, you can specify the array's UUID rather than the specific component devices |
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| 02:44.15 | Wyzard | fridim: and the component devices are found thanks to "DEVICE partitions" |
| 02:44.18 | fridim | ah ok. |
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| 02:44.32 | Wyzard | fridim: anyway... mdadm --examine /dev/sdc |
| 02:44.38 | pilgrim | How do i find out where eclipse installed to? |
| 02:44.41 | fridim | i've changed it to /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 02:44.43 | Wyzard | fridim: and mdadm --examine /dev/sdc1 |
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| 02:45.00 | Wyzard | One of those two will say no superblock was found, and one will show the array's info |
| 02:45.12 | Wyzard | Which does which? |
| 02:45.31 | fridim | there is no sdd1 nor sdc1 after reboot |
| 02:45.44 | Wyzard | /dev/sdc1 does not exist? |
| 02:45.45 | fridim | (thb$ |
| 02:45.51 | fridim | not after reboot |
| 02:46.02 | fridim | (that's a big point I guess) |
| 02:46.02 | Wyzard | Does "mdadm --examine /dev/sdc" show your array's info? |
| 02:46.14 | fridim | yes |
| 02:46.31 | Wyzard | then your array is actually built on the raw disks, not on partitions |
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| 02:46.41 | fridim | mh. |
| 02:47.00 | Wyzard | Putting partition names in a config file doesn't change where your array is actually located |
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| 02:47.40 | fridim | Wyzard: ok. So I should erase everything and restart |
| 02:47.58 | raf256 | how can one make money on writting linux software |
| 02:48.07 | Wyzard | If it's a fresh installation, reinstalling is probably the simplest way to change the partitioning scheme |
| 02:48.13 | fridim | Wyzard: how ? |
| 02:48.26 | Wyzard | If you have important data on the array, it's possible to make the change without reinstalling and reformatting |
| 02:48.32 | raf256 | like one have idea for user application... and? sell it? as open-source but not free? closed? |
| 02:48.41 | fridim | None data on it |
| 02:48.46 | Wyzard | raf256: services and support |
| 02:49.04 | raf256 | Wyzard: there are none for this application |
| 02:49.06 | Wyzard | fridim: OK, just reinstall then, and put your array components on partitions rather than on the raw disks |
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| 02:49.16 | fridim | reinstall ? |
| 02:49.26 | raf256 | on windows I would make it closed, sell for say 10 bucks. but on linux? |
| 02:49.36 | abrotman | how does it relate to Debian ? |
| 02:49.43 | raf256 | ...but on debian |
| 02:49.52 | fridim | I've tried to put on partition twice, it still goes on raw disks |
| 02:50.06 | Wyzard | fridim: What did you do to create the array? |
| 02:50.07 | fridim | cause it remains I think |
| 02:50.22 | Wyzard | fridim: Did you create it during installation, or after install was finished? |
| 02:50.29 | dav__ | Wyzard, no im able to run it :) |
| 02:50.39 | fridim | mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 |
| 02:50.44 | dav__ | Wyzard, the problemis that i don't know why it s asking me for a serial number :( |
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| 02:50.56 | corvolino | como inicio o X do debian ? |
| 02:50.58 | Wyzard | fridim: (I'm suggesting reinstalling because etch's installer has built-in RAID support and I assumed you were creating the array that way) |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:51.01 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:51.03 | fridim | after, it's not for a the root fs |
| 02:51.07 | Wyzard | dav__: What version of VMware did you install? |
| 02:51.25 | dav__ | Wyzard, 5.5.3 |
| 02:51.28 | corvolino | ;] |
| 02:51.30 | corvolino | ty |
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| 02:51.39 | Wyzard | dav__: then you shoud've gotten you serial number in an email when you bought it |
| 02:51.41 | litage | abrotman: what the heck does "the cats are your tubz" mean?? |
| 02:51.48 | predder | !confuse litage |
| 02:51.48 | dpkg | No, who was your pants tomorrow, litage? wellies of the republic of belarus with extra cheese |
| 02:51.53 | Wyzard | dav__: or when you registered for the 90-day free trial |
| 02:52.04 | fridim | maybe one day I will put / on RAID1, but I'am not ready for that |
| 02:52.14 | Guerin | stupid vmware |
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| 02:52.24 | abrotman | litage: something a guy says at work .. NFC really :) |
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| 02:52.34 | abrotman | litage: erm .. they're in your tubes :) |
| 02:52.53 | raf256 | are 3.1 r 4 network-installer and/or debian testing devlopers stoned? |
| 02:53.11 | raf256 | 3.1r4 tries to remove it own kernel-image, the only one, right after install - wtf |
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| 02:53.29 | raf256 | and not installing any other kernel-image instead - should that be bugreported? |
| 02:53.37 | Wyzard | fridim: Stop the array, then run "mdadm --zero-superblock" on both /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd |
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| 02:54.25 | fridim | sdc, sdd :-) |
| 02:54.31 | Wyzard | oops |
| 02:54.48 | litage | abrotman: hahah |
| 02:54.55 | fridim | Ok, I retry from the beginning :] |
| 02:54.55 | Wyzard | fridim: then partition both sdc and sdd with fdisk -- create a single big partition on each, with type 0xfd ("Linux raid autodetect") |
| 02:55.02 | fridim | yep |
| 02:55.05 | Wyzard | Then you should be able to recreate the array |
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| 02:56.17 | dav__ | Wyzard, u don't have the same problem as me |
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| 02:56.20 | alephant | Hi all... |
| 02:56.26 | alephant | udev just ate my head |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | did it mate with you first ? |
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| 02:56.51 | Wyzard | dav__: What problem, lack of a serial number? |
| 02:57.00 | dav__ | Wyzard, yes |
| 02:57.16 | Wyzard | dav__: No, I got my serial number when I bought VMware |
| 02:57.34 | dav__ | Wyzard, you bought it :) |
| 02:57.40 | Wyzard | dav__: Yes, I did |
| 02:57.44 | alephant | I plugged in deviceA and it had UUID $foo... then I plugged in deviceB and the UUID now points to deviceB -- and I know this is true not because sdc is now sdd (which is perfectly harmless and the problem that udev is supposed to solve) but because the devices pointed to by the UUID had data on it and now the UUID points to the device with no data on it. |
| 02:57.57 | alephant | Isn't that kinda opposite of how udev UUIDs are supposed to work? |
| 02:58.06 | Wyzard | dav__: If you haven't, go register for the free 90-day trial, or install VMware Server (which is free-of-charge) instead of Workstation (which costs money) |
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| 02:59.04 | Wyzard | or install the beta of Workstation 6 -- betas are free-of-charge too |
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| 03:00.11 | hatter | vmplayer works good also. |
| 03:00.15 | hatter | i use it a lot |
| 03:00.42 | Wyzard | Player is also free-of-charge, and even has a Debian package to help with installing it, though it's much less featureful |
| 03:01.02 | Wyzard | Workstation can do multi-level snapshots and stuff that's well worth the $200 |
| 03:02.18 | hatter | but for running pre-made images on linux, its easy to setup and just owrks. |
| 03:02.36 | dav__ | Wyzard, just one last question, if i have a 30 day registration number and i install windows with vmware is it possible to load later after the 30 day by another way 'free) ? |
| 03:02.50 | hatter | Wyzard; what does vmserver do ? |
| 03:02.56 | hatter | that player doesnt ? |
| 03:03.01 | hatter | havent checked it out yet |
| 03:03.02 | Supaplex | detach :) |
| 03:03.05 | hatter | as player fulfills my needs |
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| 03:03.28 | Wyzard | hatter: It can create virtual machines, for one thing... last I heard, Player can only run existing ones |
| 03:03.44 | alephant | So no takers on my udev question? |
| 03:03.46 | Wyzard | dav__: I think the expiration date is coded into the serial number |
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| 03:03.48 | hatter | wyzard: oh, you can make them with it ? |
| 03:03.54 | hatter | yeah, player only plays them |
| 03:04.03 | Supaplex | I <3 server |
| 03:04.04 | Wyzard | hatter: of course |
| 03:04.04 | hatter | i have workstation on my windows box for creation |
| 03:04.05 | fridim | re. Wyzard : It works, thanks! |
| 03:04.30 | Wyzard | dav__: Anyway, I'm not going to help you pirate VMware... we don't support that here |
| 03:04.35 | Supaplex | and I thought I was in #vmware for a moment. :) |
| 03:04.47 | rahul | Supaplex: no, you're in #botsex |
| 03:05.13 | Supaplex | dav__: grab server, it's free... (but not FOSS *sniff*) |
| 03:05.22 | abrotman | alephant: can you repeat it ? |
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| 03:05.38 | dav__ | Wyzard, sure, but i was thinking by another way with other compatible free tools |
| 03:05.51 | dav__ | Supaplex, what does vmserver do ? |
| 03:06.09 | Wyzard | hatter: Server can have VMs run at boot time, rather than having to launch them from the UI, and you can close and re-open the UI but keep the VM running |
| 03:06.24 | Supaplex | dav__: ask vmware.com, they have lots of info on it. |
| 03:06.26 | Wyzard | hatter: Server can do snapshots, but only a single snapshot; Workstation can do multiple hierarchial ones |
| 03:06.36 | alephant | abrotman: UUIDs are supposed to point to the device-as-in-meatspace, so that I can plug in the same two USB2.0 mass storage devices, and know that they can juggle /dev/sd{c,d} as they please, but UUID $foo and UUID $bar are always going to refer consistently to the same meatspace devices. |
| 03:06.59 | abrotman | darn meat! |
| 03:07.08 | alephant | abrotman: but I had exactly the opposite experience just now: I plugged in a second HDD, and the UUID which refered to the device with all my files now pointed to the device with no files. |
| 03:07.10 | abrotman | alephant: so you're saying they change ? |
| 03:07.19 | Wyzard | dav__: If by "free tools" you mean free-as-in-beer, no version of VMware is that |
| 03:07.19 | alephant | abrotman: indeed. I am duly boggled. |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | alephant: the udev maint is on IRC (though his timezone is currently about 4am IIRC) |
| 03:07.44 | Wyzard | dav__: but if you mean free-as-in-speech (i.e. don't have to pay money), Player and Server both fit that bill |
| 03:07.44 | dav__ | Wyzard, i just wana mean free of charges :) |
| 03:07.44 | Supaplex | it's $0 but != FOSS |
| 03:08.02 | abrotman | alephant: or you can email him |
| 03:08.29 | dav__ | Wyzard, k so after generating several images with the vmware workstation i can use them even after the 30days with vware-player that's that ? |
| 03:08.41 | Wyzard | dav__: Yes, I believe so |
| 03:08.46 | alephant | abrotman: If I were him, I'd tell me to STFW ;-) |
| 03:08.59 | abrotman | alephant: if you knew him .. i'd bet money on it :) |
| 03:09.01 | Wyzard | dav__: You'd be better off just installing Server though |
| 03:09.13 | abrotman | !maint udev |
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| 03:09.24 | dpkg | udev: Marco d'Itri <md@linux.it> |
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| 03:09.30 | dav__ | Wyzard, i can do the same job with server : |
| 03:09.32 | hatter | wyzard: i run vmplayer with vncserver, that way i have a platform to look at the vm running |
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| 03:10.11 | Wyzard | dav__: yes, Server is pretty similar to Workstation... it just lacks some advanced features that are useful to developers, like multiple snapshots |
| 03:10.35 | Wyzard | hatter: Workstation 6 has a built-in VNC server so you don't have to run one in the guest OS, btw |
| 03:10.54 | dav__ | Wyzard, ookkkkk i m looking at it so, but thank you realy much for your help! it was great! |
| 03:10.56 | hatter | also server ? |
| 03:11.05 | alephant | abrotman: but what's his /nick? |
| 03:11.13 | DAC1 | greetings! I have two questions: Question1) I want to install a webserver which I want to keep in production - should I wait for ETCH RC2? If yes, does anyone have any ideea when that might happen ? |
| 03:11.20 | eshaase | is it normal to have 6 instances of /usr/sbin/apache2 running at once? |
| 03:11.28 | Wyzard | Server doesn't, but instead it has a client that you can install on other machines |
| 03:11.29 | Guerin | DAC1: use a daily |
| 03:11.30 | dondelelcaro | eshaase: yes |
| 03:11.31 | abrotman | alephant: the same |
| 03:11.36 | abrotman | alephant: he's not on this server |
| 03:11.45 | dondelelcaro | well, one instance with 6 or more children |
| 03:11.49 | Wyzard | which is basically the full VMware UI (basically the same as Workstation's) but for interacting with remote VMs |
| 03:11.58 | alephant | ah |
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| 03:13.14 | DAC1 | Second Question: I want to have the OS on a mirrored two IDE Hard Disks and the /var on mirrored SCSI (Cheetah) - because cheetah is so much faster - does it matter if I let the swap on IDE hard disk or I should make - besides /war the swap on Cheetah SCSI |
| 03:13.25 | abrotman | alephant: i'd just email him |
| 03:13.40 | abrotman | alephant: or email upstream |
| 03:13.58 | DAC1 | Guerin: I will do that |
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| 03:14.55 | bkudria | i am trying to run a precompiled, old version of gcc (for a project, not under my control). I've extracted the archive given to mee, and it contains 'gcc', a binary file with the executable bit set. i try to run it with './gcc', but i get the error './gcc: no such file or directory' - what could be wrong? |
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| 03:15.01 | chronographe1 | Hi all is there a forum which deals with nvidia drivers? |
| 03:15.15 | bkudria | chronographe1: try #nvidia ? |
| 03:15.18 | fridim | Wyzard: you speak about mdadm in the install of etch : I've the last netinstall of testing. Is it easy to set up a system on a RAID1 with this install ? |
| 03:15.23 | Guerin | DAC1: you should never hit swap, and if you do it don't matter a damn bit what speed the drives are |
| 03:15.25 | chronographe1 | k thx |
| 03:15.28 | fridim | *spoke |
| 03:15.43 | DAC1 | for the second question - if you have a better sugestion for the arrangement of the partition please let me know - as I said I have two IDE and two SCSI |
| 03:15.53 | Guerin | DAC1: the main thing is that ide disk access will mean cpu time, whereas scsi won't |
| 03:16.09 | alephant | Guerin: really? Explain how? |
| 03:16.15 | Wyzard | fridim: Yes, there are automatic-partitioning choices involving RAID, and the manual partitioner lets you create arrays wherever you want |
| 03:16.25 | alephant | Guerin: and for this question, does SATA == ide? |
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| 03:16.40 | Guerin | alephant: um ... ide i/o takes cpu time and scsi doesn't really? I don't know about sata. |
| 03:16.40 | Wyzard | fridim: I'm using an encrypted RAID-5 with LVM on top, all created in the etch installer :-) |
| 03:16.59 | fridim | It uses really little CPU (2-3%) when the array is degraded |
| 03:17.05 | alephant | Guerin: I mean, why does IDE i/o take CPU time? |
| 03:17.12 | DAC1 | Guerin: I almost forgot the basic difference between SCSI and IDE - SCSI has the control chip on its own so it does not bother the CPU |
| 03:17.14 | Wyzard | Guerin: That's more a function of the controller than the drive interface |
| 03:17.15 | Guerin | alephant: it's just a fundamental difference in the bus, and the reason why scsi drives have always been what people use when they're serious about high i/o performance |
| 03:17.27 | alephant | Guerin: link? |
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| 03:17.40 | Guerin | alephant: i don't have one to hand, sorry |
| 03:17.47 | chronographe1 | can someone help me with modprobe nvidia sending a no such device error?? #nvidia are all out to lunch |
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| 03:17.53 | Guerin | Wyzard: are there any IDE controllers which *don't* brn cpu time? |
| 03:18.00 | fridim | Wyzard: I'am jalous :) |
| 03:18.38 | alephant | So I guess the SCSI API is much more general "read blocks foo bar and baz" than the IDE "seek here read these seek there read those"...? |
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| 03:18.45 | DAC1 | alephant: this is known from very old ages - however SATA might be different - however that is why you could chain 7 hard disks on SCSI without effort |
| 03:18.49 | fridim | Maybe I will consider a reinstall on top on raid1 :/ |
| 03:18.49 | Wyzard | Guerin: Any that support DMA, pretty much |
| 03:18.51 | Guerin | alephant: an API is a software thing ... not a hardware thing. |
| 03:19.02 | Guerin | Wyzard: hah. Nice joke. |
| 03:19.18 | fridim | Wyzard: did you get any trouble with soft raid5 ? |
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| 03:19.25 | Lasol | hi |
| 03:19.26 | Wyzard | alephant: no, IDE drives handle the details of physically seeking around just like SCSI drives do |
| 03:19.36 | alephant | Guerin: it can be a firmware thing though... maybe my taxonomy is wrong when I say API, but the "protocol" for SCSI is more abstract than IDE's? |
| 03:19.47 | eldowan | Are there any true type font creation utilities in Debian? |
| 03:19.50 | Wyzard | alephant: "seek here read these seek there read those" is a description of the ancient MFM/RLL interface |
| 03:19.56 | alephant | Wyzard: so "why" does IDE use more CPU than SCSI does? |
| 03:19.59 | abrotman | eldowan: gimp :) |
| 03:20.10 | Guerin | Wyzard: i ran a bittorrent seed hub on IDE which was cpu-bound due to disk access, not due to sha hashing or encryption - on DMA |
| 03:20.25 | eldowan | abrotman: fair enough, I guess the question I should ask is how would I use gimp to create a ttf? |
| 03:20.32 | alephant | and anyway, why did my udev UUID switch targets!? |
| 03:20.52 | Wyzard | alephant: probably because most IDE controllers are meant for consumer PCs and therefore cheap, and most SCSI controllers are meant for servers and therefore well-designed and expensive |
| 03:20.59 | zinx | eldowan: fontforge |
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| 03:21.17 | Guerin | alephant: i'mnot sure about the low-level stuff, I'm a political scientist, not a hardware engineer |
| 03:21.20 | zinx | eldowan: or so says "apt-cache search truetype editor" |
| 03:21.27 | alephant | Wyzard: ok, I asked the wrong question ;-) s/why/how |
| 03:21.28 | tenzin_ | hi ... "aptitude update" on my powerbook g3 with debian gives error saying there "couldnt stat source packages list ".. please help |
| 03:21.51 | Wyzard | Guerin: see my above comment regarding cheap vs. expensive... I'm pretty sure it's not anything inherent in the IDE or SCSI interfaces themselves |
| 03:21.52 | eldowan | zinx: you are correct it looks. Thanks, I'm looking at fontforge currently. :D |
| 03:22.25 | DAC1 | alephant: the SCSI has its own I/O controler and chip which takes care of the transactions while IDE does not |
| 03:22.26 | Guerin | Wyzard: perhaps not, but in practical terms it's a truism - if you have an example which says otherwise, I'm curious to see it. |
| 03:22.28 | tenzin_ | i have "deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/ etch main" in the sources.list |
| 03:22.28 | baggend | (Lets see if I'm the only galeon user here...) Anyone know if it's possible to add some sort of rss-handling functionality to galeon? Can I tell it to automatically use liferea to handle RSS feeds, for example? |
| 03:22.42 | bkudria | i am trying to run a precompiled, old version of gcc (for a project, not under my control). I've extracted the archive given to mee, and it contains 'gcc', a binary file with the executable bit set. in the directory with the executable, i try to run it with './gcc', but i get the error './gcc: no such file or directory' - what could be wrong? the executable bit/permission *is* set. |
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| 03:22.51 | Lasol | tenzin_ are you sure that there arent another process using apt? |
| 03:23.01 | Wyzard | DAC1: What do you think an IDE controller is, then? :-) |
| 03:23.14 | eldowan | tenzin_: is this deb a new addition? if so, run update two or four times, and see if the problem goes away |
| 03:23.47 | tenzin_ | Lasol: i am sure ther is no other process using apt |
| 03:23.49 | Lasol | tenzin_ ps aux | grep apt |
| 03:24.15 | DAC1 | I see the IDE controler is almost like a Microsoft Modem - where you have bare minimum for I/O but NO BRAIN (so it have to ask for the main CPU anytime you need to access and transfer data) |
| 03:24.19 | Wyzard | DAC1: Lack of a dedicated controller, and direct software control of the disk's heads seeking around, is MFM/RLL, not IDE |
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| 03:24.52 | alephant | DAC1: so disk interrupts go to the scsi controller vs the CPU with IDE |
| 03:25.04 | alephant | or at least intra-operation interrupts |
| 03:25.05 | alephant | ? |
| 03:25.22 | Wyzard | Disks can't generate interrupts, at least not in the sense of CPU IRQs |
| 03:25.24 | abrotman | IIRC there are more expensive IDE controllers that offload |
| 03:25.34 | alephant | I know |
| 03:25.38 | alephant | I mean conceptually |
| 03:25.39 | DAC1 | alephant: that is what I understood it - but in my case I am using Cheetah with 10000 rpm - is just BLAZINGLY FAST |
| 03:25.54 | alephant | Interesting |
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| 03:26.10 | alephant | but irrelevent to the problem keeping me at the terminal |
| 03:26.13 | Wyzard | Actually, one real limitation of IDE is that it doesn't support command queueing, so every time a request finishes the controller has to interrupt the CPU so it can issue another one |
| 03:26.14 | alephant | so back to udev |
| 03:26.14 | Lasol | what about sata |
| 03:26.27 | alephant | Wyzard: ah ha! So there's your CPU usage |
| 03:26.32 | Wyzard | SCSI lets the CPU issue multiple requests at once, but SATA has that too |
| 03:26.40 | alephant | and kinda what I was groping for with my "interrupts" nonsense |
| 03:26.48 | abrotman | Wyzard: as does SAS |
| 03:27.01 | chronographe1 | FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device |
| 03:27.02 | tenzin_ | Lasol: ps aux | grep apt just lists that "grep apt" as the running process |
| 03:27.36 | baggend | bkudria: Is this file on an external device by chance? |
| 03:27.40 | Lasol | tenzin_ sorry i don´t know why apt is faling |
| 03:27.42 | Wyzard | I'm not actually sure, though, whether the queueing thing is really an issue -- the *drive* might not be able to handle multiple requests at a time, but it's entirely possible that the controller can maintain a queue and send requests to the drive as it becomes ready for them |
| 03:27.46 | Wyzard | I don't know the details of that |
| 03:27.53 | bkudria | baggend: nope |
| 03:27.59 | DAC1 | OK, one more pragmatic (and primitive question) what should I use to build the RAID |
| 03:28.26 | Wyzard | The main advantage of command queueing, afaik, is that the drive has the opportunity to reorder requests for better performance, which isn't a CPU-usage issue |
| 03:28.36 | baggend | bkudria: Hmm... try creating a file called gcc2 (or something), chmod it to 755, add something like "#!/bin/bash" to the top, and then try running that. |
| 03:28.45 | Lasol | at leas 2 hard disk DAC1 :) |
| 03:29.21 | Wyzard | chronographe1: Sounds like your system lacks a supported nVidia graphics card |
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| 03:29.23 | bkudria | baggend: unfortunatly, i'm not at that box right now, but i will try it |
| 03:29.27 | Wyzard | chronographe1: Older cards (GeForce 2 and older) use a separate "nvidia-legacy" driver |
| 03:29.37 | DAC1 | Laso1: I have 2 IDE HDD (for OS) and 2 SCSI for /var (webcontent) what should I use to initiate the RAID BUILD? |
| 03:29.44 | chronographe1 | wrong |
| 03:29.49 | chronographe1 | oh really? |
| 03:29.53 | chronographe1 | mine is 5600 |
| 03:30.03 | chronographe1 | i need the legacy drivers eh? |
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| 03:30.14 | Wyzard | 5600 isn't older than geforce2 |
| 03:30.20 | Wyzard | so you shouldn't need the legacy driver for that |
| 03:30.21 | chronographe1 | i thought not |
| 03:30.37 | Wyzard | Check dmesg for any messages printed by the module when it fails to load |
| 03:30.39 | Lasol | DAC1 http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO-7.html |
| 03:30.46 | chronographe1 | i tried to remove nvidiafb but it says its in use this may be the prob |
| 03:31.05 | Wyzard | ah... yeah, you can't use nvidiafb together with nvidia's X driver |
| 03:31.06 | baggend | bkudria: If that ends up working, try doing a 'file gcc' just to make sure that it is, in fact, a valid executable. (You'll need to have the 'file' package installed) |
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| 03:31.15 | Wyzard | Use vesafb instead |
| 03:31.27 | baggend | bkudria: If the shell script doesn't work, then I'd look at the directory that it's in and go from there. |
| 03:31.32 | bkudria | baggend: i did check, it was a valid elf executable |
| 03:31.34 | chronographe1 | how do i remove it? rmmod nvidiafb when x isn't running? |
| 03:31.52 | Wyzard | Why's it being loaded at startup in the first place? |
| 03:32.11 | Lasol | chronographe1 you can include nvidiafb in the blacklist of modprobe |
| 03:32.13 | chronographe1 | i tryie a bloody third party installer e.g. hakix |
| 03:32.13 | Lasol | and then reboo |
| 03:32.14 | Wyzard | nvidiafb isn't used by default... whatever you did to enable it, undo that |
| 03:32.15 | Lasol | reboot |
| 03:32.18 | chronographe1 | it was a bad idea |
| 03:32.56 | chronographe1 | ok blacklist eh? then if x wont start? |
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| 03:33.49 | Lasol | you may to incluide nvidiafb in the blacklist, but nvidia module must to be loaded |
| 03:34.11 | chronographe1 | ok i will reboot now, wish me luck |
| 03:34.17 | Wyzard | or reinstall using the real Debian installer, instead of "hackix", whatever that is |
| 03:34.47 | chronographe1 | i did reinstall using m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 03:34.59 | Wyzard | I mean reinstall Debian |
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| 03:35.03 | chronographe1 | no.... |
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| 03:35.15 | Wyzard | Who knows what weirdness this "hackix" thing may have done |
| 03:35.21 | Lasol | reinstall all the system for that?????? |
| 03:35.22 | chronographe1 | took me ages, downloaded 400mb of new packages |
| 03:35.40 | DAC1 | thank you guys - see you around |
| 03:35.42 | Wyzard | Well, you'll need to figure out whatever it did that's causing nvidiafb to be loaded at boot time |
| 03:35.44 | chronographe1 | its based on automatix and sounded concrete! bloody third parties |
| 03:36.02 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to blacklist nvidiafb; it doesn't (normally) get loaded automatically anyway |
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| 03:36.23 | chronographe1 | ok i will see how i go! hope it works blacklisted! |
| 03:36.27 | Wyzard | hackix must have configured it to load |
| 03:36.36 | chronographe1 | yep |
| 03:36.37 | Wyzard | Automatix is for Ubuntu, btw, not Debian (afaik) |
| 03:36.40 | Ki11Bi11 | aptitude is giving this warning->WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 03:36.45 | chronographe1 | hakix is for debian |
| 03:36.45 | Wyzard | so blacklisting it isn't really the right solution |
| 03:36.54 | Lasol | really if you havent a special vga configuration in your lilo/grub nvidiafb must not be loaded by default |
| 03:37.08 | Wyzard | Check /etc/modules and see if nvidiafb is there |
| 03:37.09 | chronographe1 | http://frenchninja.wordpress.com/development/hakix/ |
| 03:37.15 | chronographe1 | ok |
| 03:37.17 | abrotman | Ki11Bi11: /topic |
| 03:37.36 | chronographe1 | nvidia is, nvidiafb isn't |
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| 03:38.12 | Wyzard | Are you sure nvidiafb is actually loaded as a module, and not built into the kernel? |
| 03:38.42 | Wyzard | See if it shows up in lsmod |
| 03:38.47 | raf256 | dear lord, the lame beeping is back |
| 03:38.53 | Lasol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.55 | chronographe1 | i think it prolly is in kernel... but i got a new kernel, which screwed with my usb wireless so it shouldn't be there now. |
| 03:39.02 | raf256 | how to turn off the mother f*** gay 1990 style beeping in console? |
| 03:39.06 | Wyzard | chronographe1: uname -r |
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| 03:39.15 | Wyzard | See what kernel you're running now |
| 03:39.19 | raf256 | ~/.inputrc set bell-style none didnt helped |
| 03:39.22 | chronographe1 | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 03:39.24 | Wyzard | raf256: setterm -freq 0 |
| 03:39.33 | raf256 | Wyzard: to /etc/bashrc ? |
| 03:39.37 | Wyzard | OK, that's a standard Debian kernel, so nvidiafb is not built-in |
| 03:39.39 | Wyzard | raf256: I guess |
| 03:39.43 | raf256 | ok |
| 03:39.48 | Wyzard | chronographe1: See if nvidiafb shows up in lsmod |
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| 03:40.08 | Penggu | hi all. im trying to configure a proxy under apt.conf.d - my proxy password has a double quote in it, and my username is in the form of DOMAIN\username |
| 03:40.10 | chronographe1 | oknvidiafb 42236 1 |
| 03:40.11 | chronographe1 | nvidiafb 42236 1 |
| 03:40.12 | Penggu | how would I do it? Acquire::http::Proxy "http://DOMAIN\\username:pass\"word@proxy:8080"; gives me errors (extra junk at end of file) |
| 03:40.14 | chronographe1 | oops |
| 03:40.19 | chronographe1 | yes it does |
| 03:40.35 | Wyzard | chronographe1: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 03:40.38 | Wyzard | chronographe1: What does that say? |
| 03:40.50 | chronographe1 | root=/dev/hda7 ro |
| 03:40.55 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:41.05 | chronographe1 | why u need that? |
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| 03:41.14 | Wyzard | so it's not a kernel startup parameter and it's not in /etc/modules... must be something else in the startup scripts that's loading it |
| 03:41.19 | Ki11Bi11 | is xen borken in debian? i'm having trouble getting it going |
| 03:41.27 | abrotman | define borken |
| 03:41.31 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: seems OK to me |
| 03:41.32 | Ki11Bi11 | s/borken/broken |
| 03:42.08 | Ki11Bi11 | Wyzard, did you have any problems setting it up? |
| 03:42.47 | Wyzard | chronographe1: When you boot, do you see the framebuffer immediately after the kernel loads, or does it start out in normal text mode and switch to framebuffer later? |
| 03:43.19 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: No major ones that I can recall |
| 03:43.43 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: If you're having a problem with it, you should describe the problem |
| 03:43.57 | chronographe1 | normal then framebuffer |
| 03:44.03 | chronographe1 | (as in smaller writing |
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| 03:44.18 | chronographe1 | hakix did that too i think |
| 03:44.22 | Wyzard | chronographe1: What messages do you see printed immediately before the switch? |
| 03:44.38 | chronographe1 | um... can't remember |
| 03:45.10 | Wyzard | It sounds like it's being loaded by one of your initscripts |
| 03:45.17 | Wyzard | so the messages would help to figure out which one it is |
| 03:45.22 | chronographe1 | ok |
| 03:45.52 | chronographe1 | wan't me to find out? |
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| 03:46.09 | Wyzard | The only one I can think of would be the one that loads stuff from /etc/modules, but you've already said nvidiafb isn't in /etc/modules |
| 03:46.18 | chronographe1 | definately not |
| 03:46.25 | chronographe1 | there is loop |
| 03:46.28 | chronographe1 | is that normal |
| 03:46.38 | Wyzard | That's unnecessary but harmless |
| 03:46.41 | chronographe1 | k |
| 03:47.28 | chronographe1 | maybe i will reinstall. |
| 03:47.38 | Wyzard | ("loop" is for mounting files as if they were disks -- like mounting an .iso file without having to burn it to a CD -- but it gets loaded automatically by "mount" when needed, so there's no need to load it at boot time) |
| 03:48.07 | Wyzard | My recommendation would be to reinstall just to get rid of whatever unknown changes hakix made |
| 03:48.22 | Wyzard | but if you don't want to that, it should be possible to track down this particular change and undo it |
| 03:48.26 | chronographe1 | is it better to get the latest weekly build of etch or use the december buiold i already have? |
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| 03:48.41 | Wyzard | probably better to get the latest one |
| 03:48.47 | HymnToLife | chronographe1, doesn't matter |
| 03:48.51 | chronographe1 | i only installed yesterday, so a new install is fine. |
| 03:48.58 | abrotman | raf256: doubtful |
| 03:49.00 | HymnToLife | you will get the latest packages when you'll update |
| 03:49.02 | chronographe1 | they will both be the same after updates right? |
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| 03:49.04 | raf256 | I found a solution to the lame ass gay 1990 style embarassing beeping turned on in console! |
| 03:49.06 | chronographe1 | sure |
| 03:49.06 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:49.06 | abrotman | Penggu: change your password! |
| 03:49.15 | abrotman | !tell raf256 about gay |
| 03:49.20 | Penggu | thats a hack |
| 03:49.28 | raf256 | a solution which is ok for everyone |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | Penggu: for the \\ for the domain .. try \\\\ |
| 03:49.49 | chronographe1 | ok bye all... |
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| 03:49.54 | raf256 | leave the stupid beeping BUT change bell length/freq to for example 1ms/100Hz - its very quiet then |
| 03:50.01 | Penggu | abrotman: ta |
| 03:50.04 | Supaplex | what's the new name for growisofs again? |
| 03:50.05 | raf256 | and it is NOT so much fucking annoying |
| 03:50.08 | abrotman | Penggu: any better ? |
| 03:50.14 | Penggu | ill try now |
| 03:50.20 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: it's still growisofs |
| 03:50.22 | abrotman | !tell Krazy-J about away |
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| 03:50.40 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: if you're talking about cdrecord, it's now called wodim. |
| 03:50.41 | Penggu | well i rigged the proxy so it allws the source ip to pass unauthed, but even that's not working. so something's really buggered |
| 03:51.12 | Penggu | may be im doing it wrong.. |
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| 03:53.02 | Penggu | hmm |
| 03:53.06 | Penggu | im stupid |
| 03:53.22 | Penggu | i was putting in http proxies while the entries in sources was for ftp |
| 03:53.34 | abrotman | doh! |
| 03:54.17 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:54.31 | Ki11Bi11 | Wyzard, is there a meta package to isntall xen? i know you need a special kernel, but which one? |
| 03:55.08 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: apt-cache search xen-linux-system |
| 03:55.42 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: That's the metapackage... the Xen-enabled kernel packages have "-xen" in their names |
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| 03:57.27 | Ki11Bi11 | what is the difference between xen and xen-vserver-686? |
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| 03:58.29 | Ki11Bi11 | Wyzard, so maybe apt-get install xen-linux-system-2.6.18-4-xen-686 or something? |
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| 03:59.23 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: http://linux-vserver.org/ |
| 03:59.51 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: The -vserver kernels have that enabled too... for partitioning Xen domains into multiple vservers |
| 04:00.00 | Ki11Bi11 | Wyzard, thanks |
| 04:00.07 | Wyzard | Ki11Bi11: I've never used vserver though |
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| 04:02.30 | antum | Hi, I've just installed squirrelmail on Debian, but I can't login as any user, I also can't find any errors in the log files, how do I know it is setup properly? |
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| 04:02.56 | Guerin | antum: which files are you looking for errors in? |
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| 04:03.14 | antum | I've looked in /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/syslog |
| 04:03.17 | pickcoder | antum: did you follow the setup guide? |
| 04:03.46 | antum | Yes, it said the default settings should work... at least from http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 04:04.03 | pickcoder | which imap server did you setup |
| 04:04.19 | antum | I have courier imap and pop3 working. |
| 04:04.28 | antum | at least i think i do.... |
| 04:04.48 | pickcoder | squirremail doesn't work with imaps, so you have to make sure plaintext works properly with courier imap |
| 04:05.52 | pickcoder | I ended up installing dovecot-imap when I tried to set it up last |
| 04:05.54 | antum | pickcoder how do i check that? |
| 04:06.19 | pickcoder | antum: I don't remember |
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| 04:06.40 | pickcoder | I haven't run courier in years |
| 04:06.45 | antum | pickcoder I don't think i have imap working correctly... back to the drawing board... |
| 04:06.45 | Ki11Bi11 | Wyzard, it booted!! it's using the 4gig -pae kernel instead of the one i was using ...strange |
| 04:07.10 | pickcoder | did you run the squirrelmail config program? |
| 04:07.42 | antum | pickcoder yes, but I've just tried to login to the account using imap from my mail program and it didn't let me in.. .so i guess something is up |
| 04:08.02 | pickcoder | courier has an auth daemon |
| 04:08.11 | pickcoder | make sure it's setup and running |
| 04:08.28 | antum | pickcoder I've got it setup to use mysql, it works perfectly for pop3 and pop3 ssl |
| 04:08.29 | pickcoder | or dump it and install dovecot |
| 04:08.33 | pickcoder | ok |
| 04:09.04 | pickcoder | does netstat show imap? |
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| 04:09.45 | antum | pickcoder it shows imap2 ? and imaps |
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| 04:10.24 | pickcoder | I dunno if imap2 is supported by squirrelmail |
| 04:10.37 | pickcoder | squirrelmail's mail interface blows |
| 04:10.49 | pickcoder | but it works OK when it's working |
| 04:10.58 | antum | Is there a webmail interface that does imap ssl ? |
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| 04:11.13 | pickcoder | openwebmail isn't bad |
| 04:11.17 | pickcoder | but it's not packaged for deb |
| 04:11.33 | antum | damn... i need something thats easy, im no linux person |
| 04:11.46 | pickcoder | web mail is never easy |
| 04:12.07 | antum | must be why I've haven't slept much lately :) |
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| 04:12.18 | pickcoder | having said that, I didn't have many probs with OWM |
| 04:12.23 | pickcoder | it also supports web disks, IIRC |
| 04:12.32 | pickcoder | so you can store files in your IMAP share |
| 04:12.40 | antum | thats pretty cool, |
| 04:13.19 | antum | is the default imap port 143? |
| 04:13.27 | pickcoder | hrm.. it's GPL |
| 04:13.36 | pickcoder | antum: yes |
| 04:14.03 | antum | When I telnet to it it tells me: * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4REV1 LOGIN-REFERRALS STARTTLS AUTH=LOGIN] h964708.serverkompetenz.net IMAP4rev1 |
| 04:14.17 | antum | so it looks like its running fine doesn't it? |
| 04:14.38 | pickcoder | yup |
| 04:15.22 | pickcoder | auth=login should work from squirrelmail |
| 04:15.44 | antum | how do you manually login via telnet? I can do it with pop3 but it looks like the commands are different |
| 04:16.29 | pickcoder | I never learned the IMAP protocol. There are lots of RFC pages. |
| 04:19.05 | antum | well I just learnt how to login but it doesn't let me in with my username and password... so it musn't be interfacing with the database... sooo does pop3 and imap use the same db configurations? |
| 04:19.26 | pickcoder | antum: #courier may know |
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| 04:20.58 | antum | guess i better give them a go, thanks pickcoder |
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| 04:24.54 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 04:25.05 | Harzilein | wonder why openssh-server seems to depend on openssh-client |
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| 04:34.51 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: because the client package has some things like ssh-keygen that the server package needs. |
| 04:35.11 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: hm, k, sounds reasonable... |
| 04:35.15 | peterS | yeah, and /etc/ssh/moduli |
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| 04:35.24 | dondelelcaro | (and really, there's no reason to have the server and not have the client) |
| 04:35.46 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: why? i think it is perfectly reasonable... |
| 04:35.59 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: on what system? |
| 04:36.01 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: there are other ssh-clients in debian |
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| 04:36.26 | dondelelcaro | only a few, and they're relatively specialized |
| 04:36.47 | Harzilein | plink (from putty-utils) and lsh-client don't look too specialized |
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| 04:37.40 | pickcoder | Harzilein: so ask the maintainer to split them |
| 04:37.48 | dondelelcaro | pickcoder: they're already split |
| 04:38.04 | Harzilein | it's just that the server depends on the client to be installed anyway |
| 04:38.11 | pickcoder | it doesn't have to |
| 04:38.14 | dondelelcaro | in general, if you're going to use lsh-client, you're going to use lsh-server too |
| 04:38.14 | Guerin | Harzilein: no, the metapackage `ssh' does |
| 04:38.18 | Harzilein | maybe splitting the client in -client and -utils might be the right way |
| 04:38.21 | dondelelcaro | !depends openssh-server |
| 04:38.32 | dpkg | openssh-server: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcomerr2 (>= 1.33-3), libkrb53 (>= 1.4.2), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libselinux1 (>= 1.32), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8c-1), libwrap0, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, libpam-runtime (>= 0.76-14), libpam-modules (>= 0.72-9), adduser (>= 3.9), dpkg (>= 1.9.0), openssh-client (= 1:4.3p2-8) |
| 04:38.36 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: ^^^. |
| 04:38.36 | Harzilein | Guerin: openssh-server _does_ depend on openssh-client |
| 04:38.36 | antum | Hi, no one on #courier is talking, I keep getting IMAP mail server rejected password, where the POP3 service accepts it... what can I do? |
| 04:38.49 | Guerin | mm, that's new |
| 04:39.03 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: no, not really. It's required because there's no other way to generate the keys |
| 04:39.03 | Guerin | i mean |
| 04:39.04 | pickcoder | Guerin: it's been that way since I can remember |
| 04:39.14 | Guerin | it used to be so, but then was changed, was it not |
| 04:39.15 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:39.15 | Harzilein | i looked at lsh-server/client, those don't have a similar dependency |
| 04:39.29 | pickcoder | but I couldn't care less, since I use ssh client and sshd on every box I've ever installed |
| 04:39.55 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: that's because they've split them out into lsh-utils |
| 04:40.06 | Harzilein | hm |
| 04:40.10 | Guerin | i used lsh on a box for a while, didn't notice an incredible amount of difference |
| 04:40.10 | dondelelcaro | in any event, if you care, you can file a wishlist bug |
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| 04:40.21 | peterS | Harzilein: considering that almost everybody _does_ want openssh-client, I suppose the maintainer feels it isn't worth the trouble to split it into _three_ packages just for a measly 1.5 MB disk space savings for those 3 or 4 people like you who don't want the client |
| 04:40.39 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: well, than it reasy sounds reasonable to ask them for -util |
| 04:41.04 | dondelelcaro | Harzilein: you can ask, but don't expect it to be granted, because so few people would want to install -server and not -client. |
| 04:41.16 | wyatt_earp | I'm trying to make a clone of a system that's far away. i've gotten all the installed packages AND versions from one of my systems, how can install those specific packages and versions on another system using apt-get? |
| 04:41.29 | Harzilein | dondelelcaro: yeah, i'll just add that lsh does it too and it would be more consistent that way |
| 04:41.47 | peterS | consistent? who cares? |
| 04:41.57 | dondelelcaro | lsh is a real addon; I wouldn't be surprised if many people using lshc actually had openssh-client installed too |
| 04:42.14 | peterS | package splits have no tradition of consistency in debian |
| 04:42.21 | dondelelcaro | esp. since only openssh-client provides /usr/bin/ssh |
| 04:42.48 | Supaplex | peterS: yea, it's called consistant inconsistency :) |
| 04:43.14 | dondelelcaro | wyatt_earp: you'll have to use aptitude --schedule-only install foopkg=vooversion; then aptitude install; |
| 04:43.15 | peterS | Supaplex: I don't know if your inconsistent spelling of 'consist{a,e}*' was on purpose but if so that was subtle |
| 04:43.26 | dondelelcaro | wyatt_earp: actually writing xargs pipe to do that is fairly trivial. |
| 04:43.40 | wyatt_earp | excellent, that's what i was looking for |
| 04:43.41 | Supaplex | :) |
| 04:43.48 | wyatt_earp | i kept trying to pipe it to apt-get |
| 04:43.51 | wyatt_earp | and it was just bugging out on me |
| 04:44.02 | pickcoder | antum: how did you configure squirrelmail for IMAP.. I.E. paste the config main screen in a pastebin |
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| 04:44.08 | Supaplex | I blame my high I/O load average. ;) (stilly keyboard i/o controller) |
| 04:44.17 | Supaplex | er silly* |
| 04:44.18 | dondelelcaro | wyatt_earp: you may also have to go back into aptitude and deal with broken packages unless all of the packages are currently available. |
| 04:44.20 | peterS | do real estate agents run 'apt.-find'? |
| 04:44.59 | antum | pickcoder, onto it now |
| 04:45.36 | antum | Here's the Server Settings: http://pastebin.ca/364454 |
| 04:45.49 | wyatt_earp | if they aren't available, is there a way i can packup all everyone on the existing system for installation on to the new one? |
| 04:45.56 | Azar | hmmm the envy honorables, is the darn envy of the fencers again against Debian community: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=945 |
| 04:46.21 | antum | pickcoder I've just pasted the IMAP setting inthere too |
| 04:46.57 | antum | pickcoder Oh, its started a different post: http://pastebin.ca/364456 |
| 04:47.13 | Azar | I think the guy is calling Debian Developers community "amateurs" ofcourse refering to the poor "marketing" skills.. |
| 04:47.41 | pickcoder | antum: does netstat say *:imap |
| 04:47.56 | Rusty1 | have there been any reports of a loss of iceweavel settings following a upgrade from unstable? |
| 04:48.25 | antum | pickcoder netstat -tap returns: tcp 0 0 *:imaps *:* LISTEN 11733/inetd |
| 04:48.30 | pickcoder | Rusty1: yes.. someone was complaining about it earlier |
| 04:48.38 | antum | and tcp 0 0 *:imap2 *:* LISTEN 11733/inetd |
| 04:48.39 | pickcoder | the paths changed for the default user settings I think |
| 04:48.52 | pickcoder | antum: are you sure imap2 is port 143 in /etc/services? |
| 04:49.40 | Rusty1 | pickcoder: ty, sanity restored -) |
| 04:49.45 | antum | pickcoder it says: imap2 143/tcp imap # Interim Mail Access P 2 and 4 |
| 04:50.10 | antum | pickcoder under that it has a udp entry the same |
| 04:50.54 | Wyzard | The 'I' in "IMAP" stands for "interim" ? |
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| 04:51.36 | pickcoder | antum: does your imap client work? |
| 04:51.39 | peterS | pop4? |
| 04:51.52 | peterS | mapi? |
| 04:52.15 | antum | pickcoder: I've tried telnet and my Apple Mail software and they both get the username and password rejected... however they work fine over pop3 |
| 04:52.29 | pickcoder | antum: then it's your imap auth config |
| 04:52.35 | peterS | (I know mapi isn't actually a _protocol_, I mean the MSRPC protocol it maps to for MS Exchange) |
| 04:52.41 | antum | pickcoder where is that set? |
| 04:52.43 | pickcoder | get it working with a normal client first.. then try squirrelmail |
| 04:53.00 | pickcoder | antum: I don't know I use dovecot |
| 04:53.33 | antum | I've tried asking in #courier but I don't think anyone is there today. Does anyone know where the imap auth config files are? |
| 04:54.14 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.05 | antum | I'm having a look in there now, but I can only see the auth stuff in authmysql, nothing specific in the other files :( |
| 04:57.28 | pickcoder | antum: did you restart the imap server after setting up the mysql stuff? |
| 04:57.35 | pickcoder | as well as the auth daemon |
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| 04:57.51 | antum | pickcoder I'm pretty sure I did, but I will try it again just in case... |
| 04:58.00 | kristjan_ | how do I have to apply debdiff? |
| 04:59.04 | kristjan_ | "dpatch status /home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff" gives me "/home/kristjan/varia/kiso.debdiff does not exist." |
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| 05:00.08 | antum | After restarting /etc/init.d/courier-imap, courier-imap-ssl, and courier-authdaemon I get this in my logs: http://pastebin.ca/364464 |
| 05:00.41 | pickcoder | right.. it installed the mysqlauth module, which it should |
| 05:01.47 | antum | then it says: http://pastebin.ca/364467 |
| 05:02.11 | antum | after i telnet to it, |
| 05:02.43 | pickcoder | can you login as a valid user? |
| 05:03.07 | antum | nope, thats what iwas trying |
| 05:04.16 | pickcoder | I dunno |
| 05:04.31 | pickcoder | it's either authdaemon or your mysql tables |
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| 05:05.08 | roler | is there a way to change the contrast of my screen in linux? |
| 05:05.25 | Supaplex | lcd? |
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| 05:05.42 | Supaplex | well, some drivers offer lcd brightness control... |
| 05:05.51 | Supaplex | I forget how though. |
| 05:05.55 | linux2 | can anyone help me with the strange issue |
| 05:06.07 | linux2 | i went to go overclock my system and it was working alright |
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| 05:06.41 | linux2 | then i decided that it was a tad bit to unstable to overclock so i went back down to the default cpu speed. and when i rebooted debian said that the root filesystem needed checking |
| 05:06.58 | linux2 | so i ran the checks and it ended up changing a bunch of stuff, not sure exactly what |
| 05:07.28 | pickcoder | linux2: did you change your memory latency? |
| 05:07.32 | linux2 | it appears to have deleted KDE in that process and im wondering how i can recover from this. possible reinstall everything? not sure how to go about that though |
| 05:07.36 | Supaplex | most filesystems need a deep check every so many reboots, or sometimes after being flagged |
| 05:07.58 | linux2 | pickcoder: yeah, this is a 2.2ghz processor and i was able to get it up to 3.0ghz before it started to be really unstable |
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| 05:08.08 | linux2 | it appears to have adverse affects on the video card |
| 05:08.36 | Supaplex | linux2: you can reinstall packages. just apt-get install --reinstall foo |
| 05:08.39 | linux2 | pickcoder: the latency was set to 3 |
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| 05:08.56 | linux2 | Supaplex: well i don't know which files it removed |
| 05:09.01 | pickcoder | you have to be careful when changing CAS settings and changing the bus speeds because it can lead to major data corruption |
| 05:09.02 | linux2 | so how would i reinstall everything? |
| 05:09.07 | pickcoder | as you foudn out |
| 05:09.10 | pickcoder | ~found |
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| 05:12.11 | linux2 | Supaplex: kde is quitting out saying "couldn't start kdeinit. check your installation" |
| 05:12.18 | linux2 | anyone know what package that is included with |
| 05:12.18 | pickcoder | I run my X2 222Mhz over. Any higher and things start going south |
| 05:12.45 | linux2 | pickcoder: well temp wasn't the issue it just started doing bizzare things |
| 05:13.03 | pickcoder | linux2: I think kde is the meta package |
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| 05:13.43 | linux2 | pickcoder: i tried to reinstall and it seems to only have installed one thing |
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| 05:14.37 | linux2 | ~is there a way to search the apt-cache database and see what file contains kdeinit? |
| 05:14.44 | pickcoder | apt-file |
| 05:15.09 | Supaplex | there's dpkg -S foo |
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| 05:15.33 | Supaplex | apt-file is better for noninstalled packages (not to be confused with installed package, but missing files) |
| 05:16.08 | Supaplex | well, apt-file can do either, but it's usually slower due to the amount of data it has to chew |
| 05:16.38 | pickcoder | cheers |
| 05:16.50 | peterS | it's not like dpkg -S is blazingly fast either though. that is why I have dlocate installed |
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| 05:18.05 | hatter | what should the procedure be, when after installing a package, something doesnt work because a file is missing ? |
| 05:18.30 | peterS | hatter: depends on what file is missing. normally file a bug against that package |
| 05:19.00 | hatter | peters: somewhere to check whether it should have been installed ? |
| 05:19.22 | hatter | obviously it shoud have, since it barfs because it cant find it |
| 05:19.23 | peterS | hatter: 'dpkg -L packagename' will tell you what files were installed |
| 05:20.07 | hatter | peterS: cool, its not in there |
| 05:20.10 | Garda_ | does the bittorent protocol implement compression at layer 4? |
| 05:21.01 | Wyzard | Garda_: Compression of the file data being transferred? |
| 05:21.07 | Garda_ | yea |
| 05:21.11 | k-man | is it possible to shrink the size of an ext3fs partition? |
| 05:21.25 | Wyzard | Garda_: Unlikely... it'd be a waste of time since many files distributed by bittorrent are already compressed |
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| 05:22.13 | Wyzard | Garda_: better to just compress the file and torrent the result, than to expect everyone's clients to compress and decompress things when sending them over the wire |
| 05:22.18 | NetEcho | hrm |
| 05:22.27 | NetEcho | ETCH 3 doesnt like my laptop cdrom anymore |
| 05:22.34 | NetEcho | beta 3 that is |
| 05:22.40 | linux2 | well now im just gonna remove kde and reinstall it |
| 05:23.02 | linux2 | lots of packages |
| 05:23.21 | peterS | NetEcho: beta 3 is ancient (: try an etch daily build, which uses a newer kernel than beta 3 |
| 05:23.41 | NetEcho | didn't wanna go through downloading another copy but me |
| 05:23.42 | NetEcho | *meh |
| 05:23.54 | peterS | NetEcho: also - you might need some libata.enable_atapi=1 on the Boot: command line |
| 05:24.01 | peterS | NetEcho: this applies to both beta3 and current |
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| 05:24.13 | NetEcho | got a link to a netinstall image for ETCH? |
| 05:24.25 | linux2 | WTF!!!! |
| 05:24.27 | peterS | netecho: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:24.28 | NetEcho | atapi? for a new laptop? |
| 05:24.32 | linux2 | i don't want to have to reinstall because of this |
| 05:24.34 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 05:24.39 | Wyzard | peterS: Current is 2.6.18, which doesn't need that option |
| 05:24.45 | Wyzard | peterS: dunno about 2.6.17 |
| 05:24.48 | peterS | NetEcho: yes, a lot of newer machines use SATA CD-ROM drives, or CD-ROM drives indirectly plugged in to SATA chipsets |
| 05:24.59 | NetEcho | yea this is a sata |
| 05:25.11 | peterS | Wyzard: is that so? (I have no way of testing, I don't have an affected chipset or drive) |
| 05:25.23 | Wyzard | I'm pretty sure it's not needed with 2.6.17 either |
| 05:25.32 | peterS | I thought I heard that it was. but anyway ... yeah |
| 05:25.34 | Wyzard | It's on by default in recent kernels |
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| 05:26.00 | peterS | I knew it would be enabled by default at some point but I thought that point would be 2.6.19 or 2.6.20. I'm glad to hear I was mistaken, that's an annoyance we really didn't need |
| 05:26.17 | route_ | Why, oh why, does debian's installer still suck it hard? I've been true to Debian for about 7 years, but they still can't make an installer worth a crap. |
| 05:26.35 | Wyzard | My laptop has a PATA optical drive connected to a SATA controller, and that used to need it, back when I bought it in late 2005, but doesn't need it anymore |
| 05:26.43 | peterS | route_: your comment isn't helpful. if you can't describe what problems you had with the installer, please do your bitching somewhere else |
| 05:27.13 | route_ | peterS I think I've had just about every problem possible, and a few that are not possible. lol |
| 05:27.59 | Wyzard | That's still pretty much a meaningless statement |
| 05:28.29 | peterS | route_: again ... if you can't be more specific, your whining is nothing but whining, and it doesn't do anyone any good, not even you |
| 05:28.29 | Wyzard | If you want help with installing, you have to say what's wrong |
| 05:28.32 | peterS | route_: for that matter, we're not debian-installer developers so even if you describe your problems better, we probably can't fix them. the best we can do is try to figure out how you can fix what went wrong with your install |
| 05:28.35 | route_ | Latest install I've been trying to do is get "Testing" working on a Dell GX150 system... When it gets to the part where I can choose what packages to install, it tries to remove the kernel, and just goes crazy after that. |
| 05:29.30 | dondelelcaro | that's because the installer you're using isn't a daily build, and doesn't have the kernel that's currently in testing. |
| 05:29.38 | route_ | I didn't come asking for help... I just asked if anyone knew why the installer sucked so bad. I can't be the only person on earth who thinks the installer was written by a couple of 3 year olds. |
| 05:29.52 | dondelelcaro | route_: that has *NOTHING* to do with the installer, actually. |
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| 05:30.12 | peterS | route_: go write a better one, keeping in mind that you do not control the kernel packages in debian. yeah, good luck with that. |
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| 05:30.20 | dondelelcaro | and frankly, if you think you can do better, you're welcome to jump in and help. Ad hominems against the people who are actually doing the work is totally useless. |
| 05:30.21 | hatter | the installer has worked good for me so far. |
| 05:31.19 | route_ | I never said I could do better. |
| 05:31.29 | Supaplex | linux2: it's not pretty, and it should work, but YMMV - http://rafb.net/p/IlXL8u93.html |
| 05:31.30 | route_ | whatever |
| 05:31.34 | Ilovemypuppy | <route_> I can do better. |
| 05:31.41 | dondelelcaro | route_: then clearly it wasn't written by three year olds. |
| 05:31.43 | peterS | route_: you implied it by your statement that the current installer looks to have been written by 3-year-olds. at least, assuming you are older than 3. |
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| 05:32.01 | Wyzard | route_: The only bug I've come across in the installer lately is one relating to creating encrypted RAID arrays, and when I encountered the problem, I handled it constructively: I reported the bug |
| 05:32.01 | route_ | nah, I'm only 1 and a half. |
| 05:32.38 | peterS | route_: it's bad form to insult the developers of a system if you don't think you could do any better. it implies that you have _no_ idea how hard it actually is to write it |
| 05:33.04 | peterS | in fact, even if you do think you could do better, I'm betting you still have no idea how hard it actually is |
| 05:33.24 | route_ | peterS if you re-read what I wrote, you'll see that I never insulted the developers, I insulted the product of the developers. |
| 05:33.45 | route_ | anyway, no time to waste here, gotta start the install over AGAIN! |
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| 05:34.14 | predder | wow, what a constructive chap that was |
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| 05:34.30 | peterS | yeah I don't get how he can say that "written by a couple of 3 year olds" is not an insult to the people who did the writing |
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| 05:35.06 | dondelelcaro | weee. |
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| 05:38.16 | roler | does anyone know how to change the contrast or brightness via the video card in linux? I'm on a laptop which it's blue contrast/gamma is messed. I can change gamma with xgamma, but also need to tweak a bit of the contrast. |
| 05:39.12 | dondelelcaro | generally that's a monitor setting, not really a video card thing |
| 05:39.30 | dondelelcaro | and if you've got one color imbalanced, that's definetly gamma, not contrast. |
| 05:39.37 | dondelelcaro | (well, gamma or connector failure) |
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| 05:41.07 | roler | dondelelcaro, I think this is a cheap lcd display in my laptop. I have read some posts about my poor display. In windows, Intel has drivers to change contrast, brightness and gamma on all 3 color channels. I have made linux close to windows with just the gamma settings but not quite there |
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| 05:43.24 | Smecker | Hello folks |
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| 05:45.42 | Smecker | I'm trying to set up a Sarge installation to connect to an xfs-tt server on another computer (port 7110), I have an entry in my XF86Config on the computer that needs to use the font server that looks like FontPath "192.168.12.12/:7110" but I can't convince X to use this font server - even though I can query it just fine via xfsinfo. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions as to what might be going on here? |
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| 05:49.48 | Wyzard | People actually still use xfstt? |
| 05:49.48 | peterS | Smecker: hmmm I thought the syntax was tcp/192.168.12.12:7110 |
| 05:49.53 | Wyzard | wow :-) |
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| 05:50.13 | Smecker | Wyzard: Do you suggest I use something else? |
| 05:50.23 | Smecker | peterS: Well, of course! ;-) |
| 05:50.32 | Smecker | peterS: Thank you for cluing me into the obvious |
| 05:50.36 | peterS | Smecker: heh, no problem |
| 05:50.47 | Wyzard | If you actually need TrueType core-X fonts to be loaded from a remote host, then it's appropriate |
| 05:50.55 | Wyzard | but that seems like a fairly rare thing to me |
| 05:51.15 | Wyzard | Normally you'd just install the fonts locally, so xorg's built-in TrueType support can be used |
| 05:51.20 | peterS | well and in this day and age the standard xfs is probably just as good as xfstt |
| 05:51.27 | Wyzard | that too |
| 05:51.34 | Smecker | good point :-) |
| 05:51.47 | peterS | I do remember using xfstt back in the late 90s. on AIX, with CDE. lovely stuff. |
| 05:51.48 | Wyzard | and most newer apps use Freetype for client-side fonts, so X font servers are irrelevant |
| 05:51.54 | Smecker | I really don't want to be synchronizing font shares here and there |
| 05:52.02 | Smecker | I'm lazy. This seems like a good idea ;-) |
| 05:52.09 | zu22 | anyone know command (shell) that will list the package size of all my installed packages and make a nice sorted list with biggest package and it's size at the top of the list? i want some sh solution not running aptitude etc and manually looking at each paclkage to find out, i have too many packages installed for that to be practical. my goal in this is to decide which packages i dont really need which are the biggest ones i'm not really using and remove em |
| 05:52.24 | Smecker | dpkg? |
| 05:52.40 | Smecker | zu22: dpkg -l |
| 05:52.46 | Wyzard | Smecker: Do you realize that apps which use freetype (basically anything capable of using anti-aliased fonts) won't see your xfstt? |
| 05:52.57 | zu22 | dpkg -l lists all paclkages installed |
| 05:52.58 | dpkg | ii lists all paclkages installed 3.2-13.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 05:53.02 | zu22 | it does not give the install size |
| 05:53.11 | Smecker | Wyzard: do it HAS to be local, is that what you're saying? |
| 05:53.11 | zu22 | i need to know the space footprint |
| 05:53.27 | Smecker | zu22: well, yeah, sure, expect me to read your question ;-) |
| 05:53.32 | zu22 | heh |
| 05:53.38 | Wyzard | Smecker: freetype loads fonts on the client side rather than the server side, so yes, it has to be local |
| 05:53.47 | Smecker | Wyzard: Hm. Okay, thanks. |
| 05:53.52 | zu22 | i tried searching for such a package to do this but it seems no one has done it, would really be nifty |
| 05:54.01 | Wyzard | Smecker: or at least, in the local VFS namespace... it can be a remote NFS mount or something, but the fonts have to appear as files on the host where the app is running |
| 05:54.05 | zu22 | 120MB x-window-system-core |
| 05:54.06 | Smecker | Right |
| 05:54.09 | zu22 | 90MB gnome-core |
| 05:54.11 | zu22 | etc.... |
| 05:54.13 | zu22 | a nice list |
| 05:54.14 | Smecker | Thanks Wyzard, I follow |
| 05:54.23 | Smecker | I'm tired but I follow :-) |
| 05:54.27 | zu22 | :) |
| 05:54.49 | zu22 | was hoping one of the rewly shell hackes here had some solution involving sed/uniq/etc. :) |
| 05:55.48 | Smecker | zu22: well, package size is in there *somewhere* |
| 05:55.48 | zu22 | Smecker; yeah |
| 05:55.48 | Smecker | s |
| 05:56.08 | Smecker | thanks guys! |
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| 06:02.57 | ithium | hi people, is this the right place to ask for pointers on Xen bugs under Debian? |
| 06:03.06 | cafuego_ | Is there an Andrew Donellan in the house? |
| 06:03.13 | cafuego_ | /msg if so |
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| 06:03.27 | zu22 | hey cafuego_ |
| 06:03.36 | cafuego_ | zu22: eh! |
| 06:03.41 | dondelelcaro | ithium: you can ask here or in the other #debian channel. |
| 06:03.48 | zu22 | you know way to list the install size of all debian packages? my script fu is not strong enough :( |
| 06:04.01 | zu22 | cafuego_: been a while since i've been in here (: |
| 06:04.03 | dondelelcaro | zu22: grep-dctrl |
| 06:04.17 | cafuego_ | zu22: *all* ? Or a specific set? |
| 06:04.27 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah is that a package? |
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| 06:04.32 | zu22 | cafuego_: for all |
| 06:04.35 | fridim | re |
| 06:04.35 | dondelelcaro | zu22: indeed, it's an example in grep-dctrl's manpage. |
| 06:04.47 | zu22 | trying to find what i can prune |
| 06:04.47 | zu22 | to make upgrades over dialup go faster heh |
| 06:04.53 | cafuego_ | zu22: Oh, justa listing, not atotal (coz you can't install all) |
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| 06:04.56 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: awseome thanks |
| 06:04.57 | fridim | Wyzard, you said it was easy to install etch on raid1 :/ |
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| 06:05.18 | zu22 | cafuego_: ah i better be more careful in my syntax yes |
| 06:05.23 | Wyzard | fridim: It is, because you can create the array directly from the installer |
| 06:05.34 | fridim | I have an array, ok |
| 06:05.42 | fridim | RAID1 n°0 |
| 06:05.57 | Wyzard | made from partitions this time? |
| 06:05.58 | fridim | BUT, I can't have more than one partition on it :/ |
| 06:06.03 | simonrvn | RAID1 ndeg0? |
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| 06:06.17 | fridim | Wyzard, yes from partitions |
| 06:06.29 | fridim | I mean : /dev/md/ contains only 0 |
| 06:06.38 | Wyzard | fridim: In the installer's partitioner, you'd open the settings for each partition and set "use as: physical volume for RAID" |
| 06:06.55 | fridim | and when I create partitions on /dev/md0 it says : it will only be available after reboot : the kernel still uses the old table |
| 06:07.03 | Wyzard | fridim: Once you've done that for both, "configure software RAID" and create the array, and it'll ask you what devices to use as components... you pick both |
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| 06:07.11 | ithium | dondelelcaro: thanks - not sure what other channel that is... anyway... I seem to be experiencing this bug: http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2007-01/msg00810.html ...it's very similar, but all I ever get is the Python errors. The weird thing is, it seems to have only started today - maybe I updated to a newer version of Xen with an apt-update or something... I even reinstalled my complete system afresh... I'm on AMD64, Opteron |
| 06:07.45 | fridim | Wyzard, this part is ok |
| 06:07.50 | cafuego_ | fridim: So /dev/md0 is a raid device. What's the problem? |
| 06:07.52 | Wyzard | fridim: I haven't tried creating partitionable arrays from the installer... I'd suggest using LVM on top of the array instead, since that's more flexible anyway |
| 06:08.02 | fridim | cafuego_, yes, but I need partition on it |
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| 06:08.29 | cafuego_ | fridim: just run 'partprobe' |
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| 06:08.54 | Wyzard | fridim: Partitionable arrays have to be specially created -- they're a slightly different type of device as far as the RAID driver is concerned -- and I don't know how well they're supported in the installer |
| 06:08.54 | fridim | LVM on one partition ? |
| 06:08.56 | fridim | I'am lost. |
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| 06:08.59 | zu22 | a buddy showed me another way in case anyone curious: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size} ${Package}\n' | sort -nr | more |
| 06:09.04 | dondelelcaro | ithium: it'd help if you give the actual errors you're experiencing; use the pastebot to provide it. |
| 06:09.09 | Wyzard | yeah, just set /dev/md0 to "use as: physical volume for LVM" |
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| 06:09.27 | dondelelcaro | zu22: yeah, you can also do it with aptitude |
| 06:09.31 | ithium | dondelelcaro: what's a pastebot? |
| 06:09.32 | Wyzard | then create a volume group from it, and LV(s) within it |
| 06:09.34 | fridim | Wyzard, will it boot ? |
| 06:09.34 | dondelelcaro | !pastebot |
| 06:09.35 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 06:09.42 | ithium | thanks |
| 06:09.49 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: ah yeah |
| 06:10.00 | zooted_ | Hello, I just tried to copy an install to LVM and I can't boot now. It seems that my initrd does not have the necessary LVM modules. How can I rebuild initrd with LVM support? |
| 06:10.05 | Bjweeks | can a deb be installed into a home dir? |
| 06:10.06 | Wyzard | fridim: The LVM-on-encrypted-RAID5 that I mentioned earlier is where my root filesystem is located :-) |
| 06:10.13 | dondelelcaro | Bjweeks: yes, using dpkg-deb |
| 06:10.24 | dondelelcaro | Bjweeks: well, not really installed, but unpacked, yes. |
| 06:10.35 | Wyzard | zooted_: stable, testing, or unstable? |
| 06:10.37 | fridim | when is encryption necessary ? |
| 06:10.41 | dondelelcaro | (you can technically install it too, but msot postinsts will fail) |
| 06:11.02 | zooted_ | Wyzard: I hate to admit it, but it is actually Ubuntu 6.10. |
| 06:11.05 | Wyzard | fridim: It's not really *necessary* from a technical standpoint... just something I wanted to do |
| 06:11.11 | Wyzard | zooted_: Then ask in #ubuntu, not here |
| 06:11.24 | canine_kouji | darn ubuntians |
| 06:11.35 | fridim | but what make me loose myself is the assistant on lvm : it creates /boot |
| 06:11.40 | canine_kouji | u boot tu out the door :P |
| 06:11.53 | Wyzard | fridim: yeah, /boot can't be on the array |
| 06:12.24 | fridim | so I need a /boot somewhere |
| 06:12.34 | zooted_ | Wyzard: Thanks for the pointer, But I have found that asking in #ubuntu is a lot like asking at Radio Shack. "You've got questions, we've got blank stares." |
| 06:12.35 | Wyzard | fridim: What I'd suggest is, on each of the two disks, create a 50MB partition at the beginning, and leave the rest for the RAID |
| 06:13.20 | Wyzard | zooted_: Ubuntu is not the same as Debian... it has differences that we don't keep track of, so it's not supported here |
| 06:13.24 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: unfortunatly, we can't really help you here, because we don't know what sort of freakish things they've done to the packaging. |
| 06:13.24 | fridim | but it won't be easy for futur switch on disk failed, will it ? |
| 06:13.33 | Wyzard | fridim: Use one of the 50MB partitions for /boot, and leave the other unused |
| 06:13.37 | dondelelcaro | zooted_: if #ubuntu can't help you, try their forums; it's all listed in their topic. |
| 06:13.38 | zu22 | cafuego_: you gonna watch the Melbourne Games? |
| 06:13.39 | bwlang | zooted_: i just answered you in #ubuntu |
| 06:14.10 | zooted_ | bwlang: thank you |
| 06:14.24 | fridim | what happens when it is the /boot disk which failed ? |
| 06:14.35 | dondelelcaro | fridim: that's why you have it on two separate drives. |
| 06:14.49 | Wyzard | fridim: In the case of RAID-1 I guess you can get away with putting /boot on the array, though it's a bad idea with other RAID modes |
| 06:15.09 | Wyzard | but with LVM that won't work, for much the same reason it won't work with RAID-0 or RAID-5 |
| 06:15.10 | dondelelcaro | you generally make /boot a separate raid 1 partition and install grub on it. |
| 06:15.22 | dondelelcaro | (onto both halves) |
| 06:15.32 | Wyzard | so if you want your /boot to be redundant, you could create a separate small RAID-1 for /boot, which is not partitioned |
| 06:15.36 | ithium | dondelelcaro: here's my pastebin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5438 |
| 06:15.41 | Wyzard | and have the big RAID-1 be partitioned (preferably with LVM) |
| 06:15.48 | zooted_ | Wyzard: I appreciate the differences. It is just that I have practically no familiarity with Debian based systems. Just cutting my teeth after many years under the Fedora regime... |
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| 06:17.00 | dondelelcaro | ithium: I'm not sure what vncpid is, but whatever process that is is not running, and so the attempt to kill it fails. |
| 06:17.31 | dondelelcaro | ithium: most likely one of the xen process is not currently running, and the xm create script is too stupid to trap the error appropriately. |
| 06:17.34 | ithium | dondelelcaro: i assume that's VNC then... hmmmm... I was sure it was set up correctly... |
| 06:18.25 | ithium | dondelelcaro: to be honest I'm not sure what to check... I'm sure that all I did yesterday was apt-get install vncserver, then run vncpasswd, and then run vncserver, and Xen seemed to pick it up fine from there :S |
| 06:18.43 | dondelelcaro | ithium: were you not running a vnc previously? |
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| 06:26.35 | Redhatter | Yes, the ghost of lilo stalking the network. |
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| 06:26.36 | ithium | dondelelcaro: I was running VNC yesterday and it seemed fine then - then today i started getting those errors, and so I reinstalled the host from scratch, but to no effect |
| 06:26.36 | dondelelcaro | ithium: and the vnc is running? |
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| 06:26.37 | ithium | dondelelcaro: well, not when I try and create a VM, because it errors out... |
| 06:26.37 | dondelelcaro | ithium: but is it running before you try to create it? |
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| 06:26.37 | ithium | dondelelcaro: however, it also is not in the process list before that either |
| 06:26.37 | dondelelcaro | ithium: well, that's most likely your problem. |
| 06:26.38 | squisher | ithium: define 'errors out' |
| 06:26.38 | ithium | dondelelcaro: I was under the impression that it got launched when required |
| 06:26.38 | fridim | what's the procedure when the on which the /boot is failed ? |
| 06:26.38 | ithium | dondelelcaro: certainly yesterday when I set it up initially, all i noted down was to install vncserver, run vncpasswd, and then run vncserver |
| 06:26.38 | fridim | s/the on/the disk on/ |
| 06:26.39 | dondelelcaro | fridim: there's no procedure, because /boot is on every drive. |
| 06:26.39 | fridim | how the hell is that possible ? |
| 06:26.39 | dondelelcaro | fridim: the machine continues to boot off of the next drive, and then when you fix the array, you create a new /boot on the new drive, and grubify it just like you would normally do |
| 06:26.39 | ithium | dondelelcaro: when I say "errors out", I mean that when i try to xm create, I get those python errors (apparently about the vnc...) so the VM never actually starts, which means the VNC never gets launched... |
| 06:26.39 | dondelelcaro | fridim: because you should have /boot as a raid0 in the first 50M or so of every drive in the array. |
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| 06:26.39 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty straight forward, really. |
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| 06:26.40 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: You mean raid1, not raid0 |
| 06:26.40 | dondelelcaro | yes, indeed. |
| 06:26.40 | dondelelcaro | s/raid0/raid1/; |
| 06:26.40 | Dewi | um... what is the second field in 'ls -l' ? I have *never* known. |
| 06:26.41 | squisher | ithium: I don't think I can help you, but noone else will either if you don't paste what the errors are. And not here, use a pastebin |
| 06:26.41 | squisher | !pastebin |
| 06:26.41 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 06:26.41 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the link count |
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| 06:26.41 | dondelelcaro | squisher: he already did; scroll up. |
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| 06:26.41 | fridim | but I can't boot on raid1 ? |
| 06:26.42 | Wyzard | fridim: You can have /boot on plain raid1, but not raid1 with LVM |
| 06:26.42 | dondelelcaro | fridim: of course you can. |
| 06:26.42 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: hmm... so for files, number of hard links, and for directories, number of links contained? |
| 06:26.42 | Wyzard | fridim: nor on partitioned raid1, afaik |
| 06:26.42 | fridim | ok... I got it :) |
| 06:26.42 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: oh, no, it's not that. What does it mean for dirs? |
| 06:26.42 | squisher | ithium: oh sorry (see dondelelcaro) |
| 06:26.42 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: no, number of links to the dir. |
| 06:26.42 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: . and .. are links to directories. |
| 06:26.42 | squisher | dondelelcaro: oh, was probably before the split, sorry |
| 06:26.43 | fridim | so, two array, one for /boot, the other for the lvm |
| 06:26.43 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: is not the directory entry a link to it too? wouldn't that make 3? |
| 06:26.43 | Wyzard | right |
| 06:26.43 | ithium | squisher: no worries :o) |
| 06:26.43 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: an empty directory has two. |
| 06:26.43 | ithium | squisher: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5438 |
| 06:26.43 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: . and the name itself. |
| 06:26.43 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: .. is a link to the directory above. |
| 06:26.46 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: hmm |
| 06:27.06 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: oh yeah, child directories contribute 1 as well |
| 06:27.15 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: each time you add one |
| 06:27.17 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: that's .. comming in to play. |
| 06:27.42 | Dewi | okay, question 2 - what does size mean for directories? |
| 06:28.00 | Dewi | is it anything relevant to users at all? |
| 06:28.08 | squisher | ithium: Haha, funny... I read vnc and thought about vnc as the remote desktop... I have no clue about Xen, sorry :) |
| 06:28.21 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it's the size that the directory actually takes (ie, the space needed to store the information on what files are in the directory) |
| 06:28.28 | ithium | squisher: yes, it is that vnc, but in context to xen :o) |
| 06:28.41 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: that's what I suspected. But it seems odd that file overheads are not displayed in the same way |
| 06:28.41 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: generally it's totally useless to users |
| 06:28.50 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: files don't really have an overhead |
| 06:28.59 | dondelelcaro | (it's the links that do) |
| 06:29.17 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: hmm... file data isn't blocked like in FAT? |
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| 06:29.37 | fridim | about the encryption of lvm : what is it for ? To prevent from police when you have divx ? :) |
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| 06:29.45 | squisher | ithium: Oh :-) Sorry, still don't know |
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| 06:29.46 | dondelelcaro | on ext2 anyway, most everything is stored in inodes, and files are just links to those inodes |
| 06:29.48 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: there is a block size, and a file will actually occupy whole blocks |
| 06:30.07 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: just like an empty directory takes 4k, so will a 1 byte file |
| 06:30.08 | fridim | In what case is it interesting for security? |
| 06:30.20 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: a 1 byte file takes up a single inode |
| 06:30.32 | dondelelcaro | however big that is |
| 06:30.39 | Wyzard | ithium: I haven't used HVM stuff in Xen, but as a suggestion, check dmesg and whatever Xen's analogue of dmesg is? |
| 06:31.12 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the directory size is an inode too |
| 06:31.13 | Wyzard | fridim: mostly as a safeguard in case my computer gets stolen or something |
| 06:31.33 | dondelelcaro | (having never really bothered to find out) |
| 06:31.52 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: neither am I; but what bothers me is that I can't compare listings between two different filesystems because all the directories have different 'sizes' |
| 06:32.16 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: why are you doing that? |
| 06:32.25 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you want to know if they're the same or not, use md5sum |
| 06:32.32 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: backups for terabytes of data |
| 06:32.35 | ithium | Wyzard: ok, I'll try to find where that is |
| 06:32.53 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: you'd be surprised how many hours md5summing a 750GB disk takes |
| 06:33.07 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: well, there's no real way to know if they're the same otherwise. |
| 06:33.12 | Wyzard | fridim: If I were to be arrested for some reason I doubt the encryption would make much of a difference, since a court could order me to divulge the passphrase, and imprison me if I refused |
| 06:33.31 | Wyzard | fridim: and I don't have anything important enough on here to be worth a contempt-of-court charge :-) |
| 06:33.38 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the most you can do is find out if the files are the same size, and if they've got the same modification dates; stat is the way to find that out, not ls. |
| 06:33.46 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: also, md5sum will only sum files, and single files at that |
| 06:33.50 | Wyzard | fridim: so it's mostly for niftiness factor and as a precaution against theft |
| 06:33.54 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: so in fact directory information is completely lost with md5sum |
| 06:34.01 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: unless you do all sorts of stuff to keep it |
| 06:34.01 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it has no problem dealing with entire trees of files, actually. |
| 06:34.03 | ithium | Wyzard: the xm dmesg doesn't appear to change after trying to start that guest :S |
| 06:34.28 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: md5sum will never show me an empty directory |
| 06:34.31 | Wyzard | ithium: Do non-HVM domains work OK? |
| 06:35.16 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: that part is true; but md5sum has nothing to do with figuring out if directories are different, only files. |
| 06:35.52 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: stat is okay, but it bothers me that I can't get a sortable UTC time out of it |
| 06:35.58 | dondelelcaro | figuring out if directories have changed is rather simple, actually; find -type d; will do it pretty easily. |
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| 06:36.04 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: that's what %Y et al is. |
| 06:36.13 | dondelelcaro | stat has no problem reporting things in epoch |
| 06:36.14 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I think that's local time |
| 06:36.18 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: nope. |
| 06:36.27 | ithium | Wyzard: yes |
| 06:36.43 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: man stat; |
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| 06:36.55 | Wyzard | ithium: OK, so it seems to be something HVM-specific... unfortunately I don't have experience with that |
| 06:36.59 | ithium | Wyzard: but I had an HVM domain installing from CD ISO using VNC yesterday :S |
| 06:37.02 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I meant to say sortable, human-readable, UTC |
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| 06:37.09 | netdaemon | hrm... |
| 06:37.25 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: you use epoch, sort it, and then shoot it through date or strftime if you want it to be human readable. |
| 06:37.26 | ithium | Wyzard: so I'm thinking maybe there has been a package update since... is there any way I can check on that? |
| 06:37.51 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: happen to know an easy way to get a TAB into that format string without putting actual tabs into my terminal or script file? |
| 06:37.59 | Wyzard | ithium: Well, did you run apt and allow any Xen stuff to be upgraded between yesterday and today? |
| 06:38.01 | dondelelcaro | echo -e '\t' |
| 06:38.21 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: yeah, but then how do I get it into the format string? |
| 06:38.27 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I don't want to call stat N times |
| 06:38.48 | dondelelcaro | jeez, man. |
| 06:39.14 | ithium | Wyzard: yes, I have been testing my setup for the past few days and I'm constantly apting stuff. i don't remember seeing a xen or vnc update, but I'd like to check somehow |
| 06:39.15 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: well, if I'm going to do what you say and pass an epoch through a formatter, I'm going to need a better field separator than spaces |
| 06:39.42 | Wyzard | ithium: aptitude keeps logs in /var/log/aptitude, though I don't know about apt-get |
| 06:39.54 | dondelelcaro | anyway, best of luck. |
| 06:40.17 | ithium | Wyzard: unfortunately I don't have any local data because I reinstalledthe host, thinking I'd cocked something up |
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| 06:41.24 | Wyzard | ithium: You could maybe hunt manually through the archives of snapshot.debian.net, though that'd be a bit of a pain |
| 06:41.39 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I know it sounds like I'm trolling... I honestly have lots of little scripts to do these things and they are all too hacky and inflexible and require perl... but I guess I'll make them better with time |
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| 06:46.23 | fridim | Wyzard, for the partitionning of the two raid1 disks how do you do to have the correct size for both /boot and lvm if the disks are not identical? Do you note the cylinders or something ? |
| 06:46.55 | Wyzard | fridim: I'd just type "50MB" for the sizes of both |
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| 06:47.18 | Wyzard | fridim: if they don't turn out to be exactly the same size, that's no big deal -- you waste a few megabytes of disk space |
| 06:47.57 | fridim | Yes, but when a disk fails ? |
| 06:48.01 | Harzilein | hmm... |
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| 06:48.34 | Wyzard | fridim: then you install GRUB on the other one and boot it... the size of the partition is irrelevant |
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| 06:49.06 | fridim | mh, ok |
| 06:49.09 | Harzilein | i want to install xfce4.4 on testing, i got the right entries for sources.list and set the default release to testing in apt.conf.d |
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| 06:49.49 | Harzilein | (225) harzi@toils:/home/harzi$ sudo apt-get -t unstable install xfce4 |
| 06:49.55 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.06 | Harzilein | (+[...] of course) |
| 06:50.17 | Harzilein | any ideas? |
| 06:51.21 | fridim | Is it easy with fdisk to make partitions "identical" to the remaining disk of the array? |
| 06:51.48 | fridim | I mean, it doesn't matter if it is bigger, but what happens if it is smaller ? |
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| 06:52.44 | Wyzard | fridim: The array will use the smaller of the two sizes; any extra space on the other one is wasted, but it's unlikely to be more than a few megabytes so that doesn't matter |
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| 06:53.20 | fridim | great |
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| 06:53.29 | Wyzard | fridim: Just get them reasonably close to being the same size; it doesn't really matter if they're exact or not |
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| 06:57.38 | dfx- | im trying to install a few packages and apt wants to uninstall my kernel-image and initrd-tools. How do I prevent this? |
| 06:58.21 | Guerin | dfx-: you don't |
| 06:58.33 | Guerin | dfx-: let it remove them, the install new ones later |
| 06:58.40 | Guerin | dfx-: careful not to reboot in the interim |
| 06:58.56 | fridim | does encryption use a lot of CPU ? Is it stable ? |
| 06:59.06 | fridim | (on LVM) |
| 06:59.10 | dfx- | Guerin: i dont really want or need to install a new one .. I would just rather it not uninstall it |
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| 06:59.20 | dfx- | Guerin: but ok, I'll let it do its thing and reinstall it |
| 06:59.38 | Guerin | dfx-: I'm sorry dfx-, I can't allow you to do that. |
| 06:59.40 | Wyzard | fridim: It uses significant CPU when you're doing lots of heavy disk I/O |
| 06:59.58 | graytron | especially if you have a 386 processor |
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| 07:00.41 | Wyzard | fridim: As for stable, there was a data-corruption bug relating to encrypted RAID-5 arrays, which was fixed (in Debian) by kernel 2.6.18-4 |
| 07:00.54 | Wyzard | but that's the only reliability problem I've seen |
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| 07:01.37 | Wolfcastle | good morning |
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| 07:02.36 | fridim | The boot flag goes on /boot on RAID-0 ? |
| 07:02.52 | fridim | (RAID-1 n°0) |
| 07:02.54 | Wyzard | You don't need a boot flag anywhere |
| 07:03.02 | fridim | oh, ok. |
| 07:03.14 | Wyzard | That's only needed by Microsoft's MBR, which uses it to decide which partition to boot |
| 07:03.19 | graytron | oh no. only 92 rc bugs left |
| 07:03.36 | Wyzard | GRUB has its own way of choosing what to boot, involving a config file and a menu, so the boot flag is irrelevant |
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| 07:08.13 | rpc | how can i cut exactly 8 first characters of a line? |
| 07:08.28 | rpc | i could use sed for that but perhaps it can be done easier in bash? |
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| 07:10.21 | Harzilein | rpc: you mean like ${REPLY#????} |
| 07:10.22 | Harzilein | ? |
| 07:10.33 | Harzilein | uhm |
| 07:11.10 | Harzilein | ${REPLY#????????} that is, and that already exposes the problem, you can't read it easily as being 8 |
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| 07:14.38 | dimir | ${string:0:8} |
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| 07:14.55 | Harzilein | dimir: he wants the opposite |
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| 07:15.13 | dimir | Oh, does he? |
| 07:15.23 | Harzilein | at least i read it that way |
| 07:15.29 | dimir | Misunderstood. :-) |
| 07:15.47 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 07:15.53 | Harzilein | maybe i read the "of" as "off" and was more stongly convinced because of that |
| 07:15.59 | Harzilein | +r |
| 07:16.25 | Wolfcastle | am I taking a risk disabling fam? it's been causing problems a couple of times now |
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| 07:17.13 | Harzilein | as it is not installed here it is quite likely it is not essential ;) |
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| 07:18.09 | Wyzard | Wolfcastle: Consider using gamin instead |
| 07:18.32 | Wolfcastle | Wyzard: gamin? ok i'll try it |
| 07:18.44 | Wyzard | It's meant to be a drop-in replacement for fam |
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| 07:19.43 | Wolfcastle | Wyzard: ok thanx already installed ;-) |
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| 07:20.35 | Wolfcastle | Wyzard: I got this message saying a lot of programs depend on libfam0....can this be a problem? |
| 07:21.01 | Wyzard | libgamin0 provides libfam0 |
| 07:21.26 | Wyzard | so if you install gamin at the same time as you remove fam, you're not breaking any dependencies |
| 07:21.40 | Guerin | removing fam is a good thing anyway |
| 07:21.45 | Wolfcastle | Wyzard: great thanx |
| 07:21.53 | Guerin | anything which depends on it is likely not worth having |
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| 07:22.24 | Wyzard | umm... right |
| 07:22.25 | Wolfcastle | Guerin: I don't know about that, i kinda like k3b |
| 07:25.16 | fridim | arg, grub : error 21 |
| 07:25.21 | fridim | it doesn't boot :'( |
| 07:25.31 | Wolfcastle | I have a strange, maybe trivial error with kmail, using it with gmail |
| 07:25.44 | Wolfcastle | It doesn't download emails I send to myself |
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| 07:26.09 | mfrisch | Wolfcastle: thats gmail not kmail's fault |
| 07:26.46 | fridim | what am I supposed to do now ? To try to make it boot from the cd install (rescue mode) ? |
| 07:26.58 | Wolfcastle | mfrisch: I'm not so sure, because if I send me a mail using gmail, I can download it. If I send it using kmail, it doesn't find it. |
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| 07:28.04 | mfrisch | Wolfcastle: their pop server doesn't send emails to your email, from your email goto gmail.com and they will be there. |
| 07:28.55 | mfrisch | fridim: reinstall grub; update-grub grub-install /dev/ |
| 07:29.17 | Wolfcastle | ok thanx |
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| 07:31.43 | fridim | on hd0 I supposed |
| 07:32.39 | Supaplex | you're a suposer? |
| 07:32.48 | mfrisch | fridim: no /dev/hda for mbr or hda1 or whatever for /boot |
| 07:33.16 | fridim | only sata here |
| 07:33.19 | mfrisch | he's a su poser |
| 07:33.41 | fridim | but... how can I reinstall grub ? with the netinstall ? |
| 07:33.49 | fridim | I don't want to do the same thing twice |
| 07:33.53 | fridim | It won't work |
| 07:34.15 | comsa | Qwirotk what distro u using |
| 07:34.18 | mfrisch | live-cd chroot / run grub |
| 07:34.40 | Supaplex | !live |
| 07:34.41 | dpkg | well, live is not evil. |
| 07:35.37 | fridim | Wyzard, did grub work well after the install for you ? |
| 07:36.01 | Wyzard | fridim: I didn't use RAID for my /boot |
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| 07:41.40 | fridim | I've DamnSmallLinux, it may help me |
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| 07:43.06 | mfrisch | do you have a seperate /boot |
| 07:43.54 | Supaplex | a left boot and a right boot. ;) |
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| 07:45.31 | _deepfire | is there a canned way to debian-sys-maint-ify a mysql-server install? |
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| 07:46.28 | fridim | mfrisch, yes, but on a Raid1 (mdadm) |
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| 07:47.21 | fridim | I really don't know how to reinstall grub or modify it. |
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| 07:48.06 | tarzeau | fridim: it's really easy. |
| 07:48.34 | tarzeau | fridim: inside grub you can use the 'e' key as told on the bottom |
| 07:48.41 | fridim | no : error 21 |
| 07:48.53 | tarzeau | fridim: in debian there's /boot/grub/menu.lst and here's some hint to reinstall grub: http://linuks.mine.nu/grub/fixing.txt |
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| 07:49.13 | tarzeau | 21 on the raid1 (mdadm)? tried googling? or the #grub and their docs? |
| 07:49.28 | fridim | I know about the e key, but in my case, it freezes after stage 1.5 |
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| 07:51.43 | _deepfire | in my humble opinion, grub developers should have concentrated on basics of booting from various FSes/RAID setups, instead of doing some arguably far-fetched development |
| 07:51.49 | QuantumG | hi, is there a command I can do as non-root which will get me a package I can see with apt-cache search? i.e., a user equivilent of apt-get install -d |
| 07:52.22 | Supaplex | QuantumG: well, there is apt-get source |
| 07:52.31 | Supaplex | but that's not binary, naturally. |
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| 07:52.48 | Wyzard | _deepfire: GRUB supports quite a few filesystems just fine, and booting from things like software RAID and LVM *is* the "far-fetched" stuff |
| 07:52.55 | _deepfire | isn't it possible to apt-get install into a subdirectory of one's ~? |
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| 07:53.14 | _deepfire | Wyzard, last i saw it didn't support reiser4 |
| 07:53.18 | Harzilein | _deepfire: binary packages have fixed paths |
| 07:53.27 | Supaplex | it's not supported AFAIK, but I'd sure like to see myself. |
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| 07:53.42 | Wyzard | _deepfire: Last I saw, reiser4 isn't in Linus's tree anyway |
| 07:53.47 | Supaplex | well, you could hack PATH and lib loader paths |
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| 07:54.07 | Gumby | __insert hans reiser joke here__ |
| 07:54.23 | _deepfire | Wyzard, i think that for the purposes of a boot loader the on-disc format is stable enough, though |
| 07:54.25 | QuantumG | _deepfire: you can use dpkg --root=blah --install foo.deb |
| 07:54.39 | QuantumG | but how do you get foo.deb? |
| 07:54.58 | Harzilein | uhm, apt.conf has a Dir:: section |
| 07:55.25 | Harzilein | one can put sone -o option and it'll use another root, another var etc. |
| 07:55.37 | Harzilein | s/sone/some/ |
| 07:55.48 | Wyzard | _deepfire: Nonetheless, I've never met anyone actually using reiser4, so inability to use it for /boot doesn't seem like a major issue |
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| 07:55.58 | Wyzard | _deepfire: especially when it's easy to just use some other filesystem for /boot |
| 07:56.02 | Supaplex | !start a fs war |
| 07:56.03 | dpkg | Who needs a file system? Use orthogonal persistency! |
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| 07:56.18 | cydork | heh |
| 07:56.37 | _deepfire | dpkg, and a lispos, instead of that posix crap :-) |
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| 07:59.14 | QuantumG | wget `apt-cache show package | grep Filename | awk '{print "http://whatever.is.in.sources.list/"$2}'` |
| 07:59.19 | QuantumG | heh, that'll do it. |
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| 08:00.11 | Supaplex | let's make a shell function for it ;) |
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| 08:00.20 | holaang | help. after improper power-down, cannot boot. grub loading stage 1.5, error 15. what to do? |
| 08:02.41 | fridim | pff Do I really have to burn a knoppix to install debian on raid1 soft ? |
| 08:03.40 | pinx | in iptables are the lines executed sequentially? |
| 08:03.48 | holaang | heh? |
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| 08:04.04 | Wyzard | fridim: No, that shouldn't be necessary at all... I don't see how it'd even make a difference |
| 08:04.27 | fridim | to lauch grub |
| 08:04.37 | Supaplex | pinx: yes, there's also iptables-save iptables-restore |
| 08:04.44 | Wyzard | to install it to the MBR? |
| 08:04.51 | Wyzard | You can do that from the Debian install CD |
| 08:04.52 | pinx | Supaplex: ta |
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| 08:05.23 | fridim | Wyzard, I can't mount and chroot :/ |
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| 08:05.30 | Wyzard | fridim: Why not? |
| 08:05.41 | fridim | command not found |
| 08:05.52 | Wyzard | fridim: What command isn't found? |
| 08:05.52 | pinx | Supaplex: when I create a new rule do I have to restart anything to make it come into effect? |
| 08:05.55 | holaang | i ahd booted fr an installation and run grub-install.after that , still have grub error 15. |
| 08:05.58 | Wyzard | "mount" and "chroot" are definitely there |
| 08:06.00 | fridim | grub |
| 08:06.03 | Supaplex | pinx: no, it's live |
| 08:06.10 | pinx | Supaplex: ta |
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| 08:06.22 | Wyzard | You don't actually need to chroot to do that |
| 08:06.48 | fridim | but I need grub at least, don't I ? |
| 08:06.56 | Krazy-J | guys... anyone use rsync? |
| 08:06.57 | Wyzard | You can use the copy of grub that's on the CD |
| 08:07.19 | fridim | the copy ? |
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| 08:07.34 | Guerin | root |
| 08:07.41 | Wyzard | The installation CD has the grub command |
| 08:07.51 | holaang | fridim, u haing grub problem too? |
| 08:07.53 | Wyzard | You can use that directly to fix your boot situation |
| 08:07.57 | Wyzard | You don't have to mount anything |
| 08:08.30 | holaang | Wyzard, i did that but still have error 15, |
| 08:08.37 | fridim | I don't understand. |
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| 08:08.40 | Wyzard | Run grub on the CD and tell it "root (hd0,0)" or whatever the appropriate numbers are |
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| 08:08.45 | Wyzard | and then "setup (hd0)" |
| 08:08.53 | fridim | i've tried that |
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| 08:09.01 | fridim | It says : can't read |
| 08:09.15 | fridim | bad fs type |
| 08:09.19 | fridim | (raid1...) |
| 08:09.29 | fridim | I retry |
| 08:09.33 | Wyzard | grub mentions raid1? |
| 08:09.40 | holaang | Wyzard, the full command is: grub root (hd0,0)? |
| 08:09.59 | Wyzard | No, the grub command gives you an interactive shell |
| 08:10.01 | fridim | Wyzard, no |
| 08:10.04 | Wyzard | "root" is a command in that shell |
| 08:10.15 | fridim | (no it didn't mention raid1) |
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| 08:10.25 | enouf | use tab completion to help |
| 08:10.51 | holaang | Wyzard, ok, help will give the command list. but which command will re-inwtall grub? |
| 08:10.51 | Wyzard | fridim: afaik, Linux software RAID puts the RAID metadata at the end of the device, so if you look at a RAID1 component device directly, it just looks like an ordinary filesystem |
| 08:11.47 | Wyzard | fridim: GRUB knows nothing about RAID... you just want to point it at one of the two partitions that make up your /boot array, and it'll boot from it just like it boots from any other ordinary partition |
| 08:12.21 | enouf | fridim: try device <tab<tab> |
| 08:12.21 | fridim | WHen you said grub on the install-cd : where is it ? In the menu after loading linux or at the boot prompt ? |
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| 08:12.32 | Wyzard | Press Alt-F2 |
| 08:12.36 | Wyzard | and Enter to get a shell |
| 08:12.44 | enouf | fridim: the ash/busybox shell |
| 08:12.50 | Wyzard | Run grub from there |
| 08:13.00 | ma3x | hi, something freezes my system once in a while, and it's either amarok or xmms. but I can't exactly find out. which one do you think could it be? |
| 08:13.02 | holaang | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:13.13 | fridim | I've done that for hours there is no grub command |
| 08:13.14 | Wyzard | yes |
| 08:13.22 | pinx | I'm using lokkit for writing simple iptables till I learn better, but it puts "ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere" as the first line in iptables even when on "high" security. Anyone able to explain/help? |
| 08:13.26 | enouf | holaang: using a livecd? |
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| 08:13.36 | Wyzard | fridim: You ran "grub" from the shell on the install CD and it didn't find it? |
| 08:13.42 | holaang | enouf, no, an installation cd. |
| 08:13.43 | fridim | yes |
| 08:13.55 | enouf | holaang: ok .. follow the fridim thread then .. ;-) |
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| 08:14.06 | Wyzard | fridim: I'm pretty sure it's there, but if not, you can do the mount-and-chroot thing after all |
| 08:14.12 | holaang | enouf, doing so. |
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| 08:14.32 | enouf | fridim: which install CD? |
| 08:14.43 | Wyzard | fridim: Go to the partitioning step, but don't actually change anything... just "configure software RAID" and immediately exit, then "configure LVM" and immediately exit |
| 08:14.43 | fridim | netinstall |
| 08:14.49 | fridim | testing netinstall |
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| 08:14.57 | Wyzard | fridim: That'll get the RAID and LVM recognized, so you can mount and chroot |
| 08:15.26 | fridim | modprobe md_mod works too |
| 08:15.33 | Wyzard | fridim: (or you can run mdadm and lvm stuff manually from a shell, but it's simpler to get the partitioner to do it for you) |
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| 08:16.01 | holaang | in grub-install, how to specify the drive? |
| 08:16.23 | fridim | md0 is mounted |
| 08:16.33 | holaang | is it /dev/hda? |
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| 08:17.17 | pihhan | hi |
| 08:17.31 | fridim | so, my /boot is mounted. |
| 08:17.52 | pihhan | what gcc is used to compile libs in etch? |
| 08:18.01 | pihhan | still gcc-3.3 as in sarge? |
| 08:18.04 | Wyzard | You don't need to mount /boot |
| 08:18.18 | Wyzard | Just the root filesystem, so you can chroot to it |
| 08:18.59 | Wyzard | You'll need to mount /boot within the chroot if you want to use the grub-install convenience tool, but you can also just use the grub shell manually like I mentioned a few minutes ago |
| 08:19.30 | fridim | (yes but I don't have the grub shell) |
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| 08:20.34 | Wyzard | Your installation on your hard drive does |
| 08:21.00 | Wyzard | That's why you want to chroot to it |
| 08:21.12 | fridim | ok |
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| 08:22.30 | fridim | ok, as you said, the simplest is to lauch the partitions helper :) |
| 08:22.41 | enouf | holaang: FWIW, using a LiveCD .. prolly want to; mkdir /mnt/chroot ; mount -t fstype /mnt/chroot ; mount --bind /proc /mnt/chroot ; mount --bind /dev /mnt/chroot ; chroot /mnt/chroot ; grub-install /dev/XXX .. but it may be very diff for RAID/LVM .. and I haven't had to do it yet using the Installer CD, nut I suppose modules need loading beforehand |
| 08:22.45 | fridim | lvm and md loaded, I will chroot |
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| 08:24.35 | fridim | ok, grub shell started \o/ |
| 08:25.58 | enouf | pihhan: cat /proc/version should tell ya |
| 08:26.03 | fridim | root (hd0,0) : Filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x03 |
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| 08:26.38 | pihhan | enouf, is kernel version somehow related to libc and other libraries in /lib and /usr/lib? |
| 08:27.01 | Wyzard | You mentioned that your arrays are on /dev/sdc and /dev/sdd... do you have sda and sdb, and which drive is the BIOS configured to boot from? |
| 08:27.33 | fridim | I can change the BIOS boot sequence |
| 08:27.36 | enouf | fridim: shouldn't it be FD? |
| 08:27.38 | fridim | for the moment it's 0 |
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| 08:28.03 | enouf | pihhan: don't quote me on it ;-) |
| 08:28.04 | Wyzard | What's 0? |
| 08:28.10 | fridim | sda |
| 08:28.15 | fridim | (I guess) |
| 08:28.19 | fridim | (I'am not sure) |
| 08:28.54 | Wyzard | The reason it matters is that there's no fixed 1:1 mapping between Linux drive names and BIOS drive numbers |
| 08:29.06 | Wyzard | sda is not necessarily (hd0)... it depends on how your BIOS is configured |
| 08:29.17 | fridim | arg |
| 08:29.42 | Wyzard | but unless you've gone and changed it, it's probably configured to boot from the first available drive, in which case (hd0) would indeed be sda |
| 08:29.54 | Wyzard | so sdc1 is (hd2,0) |
| 08:30.01 | fridim | But I'am nearly sure it's sda |
| 08:30.13 | Wyzard | ok |
| 08:30.19 | Wyzard | then you want: root (hd2,0) |
| 08:30.21 | Wyzard | setup (hd0) |
| 08:30.35 | enouf | try using tab completion |
| 08:30.39 | Wyzard | which puts GRUB in the MBR of sda, expecting to find the rest of itself in sdc1 |
| 08:30.43 | fridim | succeed |
| 08:31.20 | Wyzard | (Since GRUB isn't aware of RAID and is just looking at a single partition, not both sides of the array, you may need to do this again if sdc fails) |
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| 08:32.16 | enouf | you should have a /boot on each disk and install to each .. or mirror it |
| 08:32.35 | enouf | so if the 1st fails the 2nd will boot |
| 08:32.48 | fridim | It is mirrored |
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| 08:33.21 | Wyzard | fridim: The partitions are mirrored, but the MBR isn't |
| 08:33.26 | fridim | But if it is just a root(hd3,0) to change, it's ok. |
| 08:33.29 | holaang | enouf, thks, iwas surfing. for my problem, i hve to: grub, root (hd0,1), setup (hd0), reboot. |
| 08:33.35 | Wyzard | though in this case you're not using the MBR on either of your RAID drives anyway |
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| 08:34.27 | fridim | can't I put the mbr on one of the mirrored disk ? |
| 08:34.38 | holaang | (hd0,1) would be for first drive, partition 2. right? |
| 08:34.44 | Wyzard | You can if you want to, but you'd have to configure the BIOS to boot from that disk |
| 08:34.52 | fridim | arg, It still don't start |
| 08:34.54 | enouf | holaang: setup first IINM , since it has to find all your HDDs that a / could be on |
| 08:34.55 | Wyzard | and that changes the numbering -- (hd0) is always the drive the BIOS boots from |
| 08:35.11 | fridim | grub fails :/ |
| 08:35.11 | Wyzard | so you'd no longer have a simple correspondence between the numbers and the letters |
| 08:35.18 | Wyzard | with what error? |
| 08:35.22 | fridim | error 21 |
| 08:35.27 | enouf | holaang: 1st drive partition 2 |
| 08:35.31 | fridim | Selected disk does not exist |
| 08:35.31 | fridim | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.36 | enouf | holaang: so yes ;-0 |
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| 08:36.14 | enouf | fridim: 0x03 appears to be XENIX ? |
| 08:36.16 | Wyzard | That sounds like maybe (hd2) doesn't really correspond to sdc like we thought it did |
| 08:36.53 | holaang | enouf, IINF? what's that? |
| 08:37.03 | holaang | IINM |
| 08:37.29 | enouf | holaang: If I'm Not Mistaken |
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| 08:37.51 | holaang | OH |
| 08:37.53 | Wyzard | Take a look at /boot/grub/device.map (in your mirrored /boot) and make sure it describes the correct correspondence between BIOS drive numbers and Linux drive names in your system |
| 08:38.07 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 08:38.13 | enouf | holaang: so grub, then setup, then root, then |
| 08:38.42 | Wyzard | It's past 3:30am here so I'm going to bed |
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| 08:39.13 | ^rob^ | q: if i get debian iso with jigdo - does get the lastest upgraded packages? or it gets the same as if i would get the iso image |
| 08:39.14 | enouf | and a bankey ;-) |
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| 08:41.06 | enouf | rob have you seen? http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 08:41.17 | aphexer | Is there any command line ftp client in debian stable which supports tls? |
| 08:41.27 | haggz | Another smooth installation from Etch daily netinst, and another box joins the Debian Army. Always feels good. |
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| 08:41.38 | ^rob^ | no i have not |
| 08:41.43 | enouf | !congrats haggz |
| 08:41.53 | enouf | meh |
| 08:42.05 | enouf | !pony haggz |
| 08:42.25 | ^rob^ | btw - it does not answer my question - "It's fasteeer, it's betteeeerr... " |
| 08:42.35 | enouf | hehe |
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| 08:42.45 | ^rob^ | well - does get latest packages or not? |
| 08:42.50 | fridim | Wyzard, (hd0) sda (hd2) sdc |
| 08:43.15 | enouf | btw .. the links there do .. it always amazes me how some people can read all the docs so fast |
| 08:43.42 | fridim | Maybe after the root(hd2,0); setup(hd0); there is a save command that I forgot ? |
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| 08:44.27 | Supaplex | enouf: I think people these days do little reading, and too much searching. if they'd just sit where they are and read what's in front of their face, amazing things might happen. |
| 08:44.33 | enouf | haggz: my apologies .. er .. i meant 1st grub , then device, then root, then setup .. doh! |
| 08:44.42 | enouf | holaang: |
| 08:44.52 | ^rob^ | exit |
| 08:44.54 | enouf | sorry haggz .. more pony rides for you |
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| 08:45.03 | enouf | !customer |
| 08:45.03 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:45.16 | enouf | what a dipschiitt |
| 08:46.53 | mazza[W] | hokay, i'm raid1-ing up a few of my partitions |
| 08:47.06 | mazza[W] | one of which is going to be / |
| 08:47.25 | mazza[W] | and i have NFI what i'm doing |
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| 08:47.34 | fridim | if the numbers of hd0, hd2 are what we thought they were, What's wrong ? |
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| 08:48.46 | Guerin | anyone know when the pci 2.2 spec version went into widespread production? |
| 08:49.28 | enouf | Guerin: around 2000 ish? .. interfacebus.com or en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pci would know |
| 08:50.01 | aphexer | Is there any command line ftp client in debian stable which supports tls? |
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| 08:50.16 | Guerin | !best ftp client |
| 08:50.17 | dpkg | somebody said best ftp client was lftp |
| 08:50.20 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 08:50.20 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 08:51.05 | aphexer | what do you suggest then?:) The file is already encrypted and compressed. Scp is just to resource eating for it, and it's tens of gigabytes i need to transfer |
| 08:51.16 | aphexer | lftp doesn't support tls in debian stable |
| 08:51.32 | streuner | but in sid? |
| 08:51.41 | streuner | !simple sid backport |
| 08:51.41 | dpkg | from memory, simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 08:51.42 | Guerin | aphexer: so ... why wouldftp-tls be any better than scp/sftp? |
| 08:51.52 | Guerin | aphexer: just download it by anonymous ftp or http |
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| 08:52.12 | pinx | aphexer: rsync with compression on? |
| 08:52.15 | anordby | scp/sftp has its problems, the sshd server doesn't have much configuratbility for someone who wants to run a file server. |
| 08:52.40 | Supaplex | PFM! |
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| 08:52.47 | Guerin | honestly |
| 08:53.00 | Supaplex | fuse :P |
| 08:53.01 | Guerin | rsync is the tool for this job |
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| 08:53.06 | aphexer | Guerin, i need tls for authentication |
| 08:53.11 | aphexer | not for the data encryption |
| 08:53.13 | Guerin | but I was sure lftp supported tls, in sid |
| 08:53.30 | aphexer | i'd prefer not to use anonymous ftp for this... :) |
| 08:53.39 | aphexer | even if the data is encrypted |
| 08:53.46 | Guerin | aphexer: but tls still encrypts the whole stream ... so it's just as cpu-hungry as scp |
| 08:53.48 | pinx | aphexer: rsync with keys |
| 08:53.56 | enouf | Guerin: PCI revision 2.2; released 1998; minor clarifications / enhancements. |
| 08:54.07 | aphexer | Guerin, you can encrypt the command channel only, without the data channel |
| 08:54.11 | aphexer | i'll look at rsync |
| 08:54.35 | aphexer | but i'd be nice if there were a possibility to "queue" files like lftp and ncftpput do. |
| 08:54.41 | enouf | Guerin: more http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI.html |
| 08:54.41 | Guerin | aphexer: ah, true. that's a ftp-specific thing. |
| 08:55.04 | aphexer | Guerin, newer versions of lftp support tls yes, but server is running stable so... :) |
| 08:55.07 | Guerin | enouf: mm, let's see. |
| 08:55.44 | vlt | Hello. I'm using reportbug to ... err ... report a bug. Now I reached the part where the questioning is over and an editor (vi?) window is shown to enter more text. How to continue? (How to close the editor?) |
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| 08:56.12 | aphexer | vlt: type 'i' to enter input mode |
| 08:56.21 | Supaplex | then :wq to write + quit |
| 08:56.34 | Guerin | enouf: yeah, iot seems like this ralink card only works with 2.2+ pci busen |
| 08:56.35 | Supaplex | or :q! to quit with no changes |
| 08:56.44 | vlt | aphexer, Supaplex: Thank you. |
| 08:56.54 | Guerin | which means my p120 won't play that |
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| 08:57.00 | haggz | now that I've got this box working I have two choices, either "test stability" by hanging out on IRC and installing games, or I could power everything down and actually get it hooked into the network properly and mess with routing tables...option #1 sounds more professional to me. |
| 08:57.01 | Supaplex | well, hit ESC to start : type commands. |
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| 08:57.38 | enouf | Guerin: ahh .. my p150 is the same :-) |
| 08:57.50 | enouf | homey don't play that |
| 08:58.02 | Guerin | ballocks mate |
| 08:58.07 | pinx | haggz: yea - especially the bit about the games ;) |
| 08:58.20 | Guerin | but I could reasonably expect a p2-200 or a p2-266 to be pci 2.2, no? |
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| 08:58.29 | enouf | Guerin: yep .. |
| 08:58.30 | Knight_Lord | I have this nice thing on the dmesg |
| 08:58.37 | Knight_Lord | XFS internal error XFS_WANT_CORRUPTED_RETURN at line 283 of file fs/xfs/xfs_alloc.c. Caller 0xf8ad9d78 |
| 08:58.43 | Knight_Lord | xfs_force_shutdown(md0,0x8) called from line 1031 of file fs/xfs/xfs_trans.c. Return address = 0xf8b1c82 |
| 08:58.49 | Knight_Lord | Filesystem "md0": Corruption of in-memory data detected. Shutting down filesystem: md0 |
| 08:59.00 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone give me a clue at what the problem could be? |
| 08:59.29 | vlt | How to leave "input mode" before entering ":wq" in vi? |
| 08:59.39 | Knight_Lord | vlt esc |
| 08:59.40 | hark | vlt: ESC |
| 08:59.49 | hark | Knight_Lord: xfs? |
| 08:59.54 | creature | I want to do a packet capture of the authentication process between my wifi card and my AP. What tool do I need to do this? |
| 08:59.56 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: xfs doesn't like powerloss |
| 08:59.56 | Knight_Lord | hark yes |
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| 09:00.07 | hark | no, that's the clue |
| 09:00.07 | vlt | Aaah, that easy ... ;-) |
| 09:00.08 | Knight_Lord | Guerin the machine is on UPS and there was no powerloss |
| 09:00.14 | Guerin | mm |
| 09:00.21 | Knight_Lord | Guerin the drives are on a 3ware controller with cache disabled |
| 09:00.43 | Knight_Lord | Guerin the software raid array is new and I was just copying back the data from the backup when this happened |
| 09:00.55 | Knight_Lord | Guerin it alraedy happened twice, the first time i just umounted it and mounted it again |
| 09:01.09 | Guerin | Knight_Lord: i know nothing about raid, you're better asking someone else |
| 09:01.22 | Knight_Lord | I think the problem is unrelated to RAID |
| 09:01.26 | Knight_Lord | it's purely XFS |
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| 09:01.41 | Knight_Lord | My first guess is bad memory |
| 09:01.49 | Knight_Lord | I'm gonna give a try to check that |
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| 09:04.42 | sep | Knight_Lord, why are you using software raid on a 3ware controller. the 3ware controllers are quiet capable raid devices |
| 09:04.49 | enouf | Guerin: be carefuyl .. my circa 1999 mobo with a pII 350 says PCI 2.1 |
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| 09:05.24 | Knight_Lord | sep I know they are but it's just that software raid is more flexible |
| 09:05.35 | enouf | Guerin: dmeg | grep -i "PCI BIOS revision" .. mine says PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfd983, last bus=1 |
| 09:06.02 | sep | Knight_Lord, yeah, i usualy do raid in the 3ware and lvm on that for flexibility |
| 09:06.45 | Knight_Lord | sep also I'm a cheap bastard and have 8 port controllers but 15 way arrays, so by software i gain 1 extra disk |
| 09:07.26 | Guerin | enouf: that box has obsd on it |
| 09:07.40 | Knight_Lord | sep i was a bit afraid of lvm some years ago |
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| 09:08.14 | SlayerXP | good morning, hash dweebians |
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| 09:10.02 | enouf | Guerin: but OS has nothing to do with PCI Bus revision |
| 09:10.09 | fridim | mh, kernel panic : no syncing : vfs : unable to mount root fs on unknown block : please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 09:10.36 | enouf | Unless someone's using a screwy kernel :-P |
| 09:10.39 | Guerin | enouf: i know, but different OSen display different dmesg info |
| 09:10.57 | Guerin | enouf: that said, obsd also tells me - this is 2.1 |
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| 09:11.39 | enouf | Guerin: ah .. well I couldn't seem to grep the info out of hwinfo, lshw, nor dmidecode, nor biosdecode /dev/mem |
| 09:11.51 | Guerin | no, none of those things |
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| 09:16.51 | sep | where do one disable the anoying ballon popups in kde, when you move the mouse over the panel elements. tried disable tooltip in control seter style, but it seams not to be the same |
| 09:17.14 | Guerin | sep: kde might know |
| 09:17.39 | enouf | sep: there's a way |
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| 09:17.46 | Guerin | but i bet they can't understand why anyone would want to disable such a useful feature |
| 09:17.49 | enouf | sep: hold a sec .. I'll try it |
| 09:17.51 | sep | found it...ofcourse after asking :P |
| 09:17.56 | enouf | :-=p |
| 09:18.01 | sep | right click panel and select configure |
| 09:18.23 | sep | rather intuitive actually :P |
| 09:18.33 | enouf | sep: that's also available in the hodge-podge of options in control center .. but what a mess to navaigate through |
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| 09:19.33 | sep | yes.. desktop ->panels.. i was too stuck on the apperence ->style thing |
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| 09:21.29 | pihhan | is there common gcc for making all libraries in etch? |
| 09:21.42 | enouf | Knight_Lord: are you using crypt at all with XFS? |
| 09:21.45 | Guerin | pihhan: eh? |
| 09:21.53 | pihhan | or is every library compiled with different gcc version? |
| 09:22.04 | Guerin | pihhan: you mean, are they all built with the same version of gcc? Not necessarily. |
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| 09:22.24 | pihhan | Guerin, as it tells me cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-fvisibility=hidden" |
| 09:22.24 | Guerin | pihhan: they're all built with a version of gcc which bears the same ABI version |
| 09:22.45 | Guerin | !wayttd pihhan |
| 09:22.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, pihhan? |
| 09:23.23 | pihhan | Guerin, compile Crystal Space 3d |
| 09:23.42 | Guerin | pihhan: is this some proprietary tardware? |
| 09:23.59 | pihhan | and visibility=hidden flag was sucessful in configure |
| 09:24.01 | pihhan | configure:17561: gcc -o conftest -fvisibility=hidden conftest.c -lnsl >&5 |
| 09:24.02 | pihhan | configure:17567: $? = 0 |
| 09:24.10 | Guerin | ... |
| 09:24.18 | pihhan | Guerin, it is open source 3D engine |
| 09:24.44 | Guerin | pihhan: consult the documentation to find out what gcc it needs |
| 09:24.52 | hark | !info crystalspace |
| 09:24.56 | dpkg | crystalspace: (Multiplatform 3D Game Development Kit), section games, is optional. Version: 0.99-20060125-2 (sid), Packaged size: 25759 kB, Installed size: 67592 kB |
| 09:25.01 | Guerin | bah |
| 09:25.04 | hark | is this it? |
| 09:25.07 | Guerin | !wayc pihhan |
| 09:25.07 | dpkg | pihhan: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 09:25.31 | pihhan | dpkg, dont try be smart, get me crystal space for eth :-P |
| 09:25.38 | mazzanet | erm |
| 09:25.46 | hark | !info crystalspace etch |
| 09:25.50 | mazzanet | linux partition resizing, non-destructive. |
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| 09:26.02 | Guerin | !why is crystalspace not in testing? |
| 09:26.02 | dpkg | crystalspace is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=crystalspace |
| 09:26.02 | pihhan | but anyway |
| 09:26.13 | Guerin | pihhan: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:26.13 | hark | do a backport... |
| 09:26.14 | pihhan | should it be able to compile, shouldnt it? |
| 09:26.38 | Guerin | pihhan: not necessarily. IME 1337 stuff like g4m3r d00d engines usually only works with the bleeding edge |
| 09:27.16 | pihhan | they reported gcc-3.4 should work |
| 09:27.38 | pihhan | and it is working not well |
| 09:27.50 | Guerin | pihhan: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 09:27.53 | pihhan | they asked me why i have more than one gcc installed, in fack i dont know |
| 09:27.59 | pihhan | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.05 | Guerin | why not? |
| 09:28.11 | yvhaarle | !seen lindenle |
| 09:28.12 | dpkg | lindenle <n=lindenle@192.76.172.39> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 14h 36m 14s ago, saying: '!botsnack'. |
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| 09:28.19 | Guerin | it's perfectly reasonable to want different gcc versions, for this exact reason |
| 09:30.00 | mazzanet | actually |
| 09:30.55 | creature | Is there a document somewhere about how to patch kernels the Debian Way? |
| 09:31.18 | mazzanet | i have a raid1 array made up of particular partitions from two drives |
| 09:31.36 | mazzanet | the partition on one drive is a bit bigger that the other |
| 09:31.44 | haggz | creature: a few actually, you can find some stuff in the various debian documentation files in the repositories, and there is more than one google-able guide also. |
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| 09:31.52 | mazzanet | how do i resize that partition? |
| 09:32.18 | Guerin | mazzanet: what filesystem? |
| 09:32.22 | mazzanet | reiser |
| 09:32.35 | Guerin | mazzanet: you have my condolences |
| 09:32.40 | mazzanet | :( |
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| 09:33.26 | mazzanet | hmm i just thought of somethinge |
| 09:33.36 | mazzanet | remove the small disk from the array |
| 09:33.54 | mazzanet | and use mdadm to shrink the array |
| 09:33.59 | mazzanet | i wonder what that might do |
| 09:34.25 | Guerin | !bless mazzanet |
| 09:34.25 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child mazzanet, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 09:36.56 | Supaplex | it may all you the practice restoring from backups |
| 09:37.08 | Supaplex | :P but at this hour, I'm brain dead. |
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| 09:38.11 | antum | I'm going through the final stages of setting up a mail server on Debian, I've just installed Imap and when I do a netstat -tap it says: "localhost:imap2" how would I make it so it says "*:imap2" ? |
| 09:38.31 | Supaplex | bind to 0.0.0.0 |
| 09:39.02 | antum | how do I do that for imap? |
| 09:39.13 | sep | antum, depends on what imap server you use |
| 09:39.17 | antum | would it be in /etc/courier/imapd ? |
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| 09:39.46 | Guerin | antum: suck and see |
| 09:39.48 | antum | umm... I've installed courier if that means anything |
| 09:39.50 | Supaplex | you installed courier's imap server? |
| 09:40.03 | sep | antum, yes |
| 09:40.05 | Supaplex | oh no, there's only a FEW imap servers |
| 09:40.18 | antum | Supaplex, as far as I know (apt-get install courier-imap courier-imap-ssl) |
| 09:40.19 | Supaplex | </sarcasm> =) |
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| 09:41.09 | Supaplex | looks like there are a few config files in there. |
| 09:41.23 | Supaplex | good luck =) |
| 09:41.32 | antum | in imapd it sets listen to 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:41.38 | Guerin | !bt |
| 09:41.38 | dpkg | bt sux0rs. Bhutan, or bluetooth. British Telecom, or bittorrent |
| 09:41.44 | Guerin | bhutan, awesome |
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| 09:42.17 | antum | oh, i guess I set it to 0... |
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| 09:44.02 | antum | oh my gosh, it actually worked... i actually have email working! |
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| 09:45.14 | fireba11 | antum: now check of you don't have an open relay working :-) |
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| 09:45.40 | znh | Hello, |
| 09:45.57 | sep | antum, http://spamlinks.net/prevent-secure-relay-test.htm |
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| 09:46.47 | znh | I'm trying to install VMware Workstation at Debian Testing. I have linux-kernel-headers installed which its files are located in /usr/include, but VMware thinks it's not suiteable for my running kernel.. Help would be very appreciated |
| 09:47.16 | Guerin | znh:you may need to install a new kernel, a new set of headers, or both. And boot into it. |
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| 09:48.01 | sep | znh, i use the etch kernel images. and this is a known problem you need to patch the vmware, using a vmware_any_any patch it's on the vmware knowledgebase |
| 09:48.02 | znh | Guerin, but only linux-kernel-headers is available |
| 09:48.14 | znh | sep, aha! |
| 09:48.14 | antum | fireball thanks, I've checked with pingability.com and it seems to think I'm ok |
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| 09:48.28 | antum | sep thanks for the link I'll go check it out now |
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| 09:49.09 | blackba55 | how do i install kde 3.5 on sarge ? |
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| 09:50.47 | petfrogg | hello! |
| 09:51.20 | sep | blackba55, you can use backports, or just awit til etch releases, or upgrade to etch |
| 09:51.33 | sep | blackba55, backports.org that is |
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| 09:55.05 | znh | sep, I applied that patch, but it gives an error about the kernel headers again |
| 09:55.21 | znh | sep, The directory of kernel headers (version 2.6.18) does not match your running |
| 09:55.21 | znh | kernel (version 2.6.18-3-686). Even if the module were to compile successfully,it would not load into the running kernel. |
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| 09:57.23 | creature | Ok, so, I want to build myself a kernel with the bootsplash kernel packages applied. If I want to do this using initrd, is it OK to just append --initrd to the options indicated at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#PATCHES-KERNEL-PKG ? |
| 09:57.48 | sep | is there a way to avoid the mdns/avachi breaks all dns in a .local AD domain ? |
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| 09:59.17 | znh | How do I install debian's kernel headers? linux-kernel-headers is not suiteable for building modules, which is what I want to do |
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| 10:00.00 | petfrogg | is there a way to dynamicly allocate memory in php? |
| 10:00.16 | Guerin | ... |
| 10:00.26 | Guerin | petfrogg: ask #php |
| 10:00.32 | znh | petfrogg, this is #debian ;) |
| 10:00.55 | petfrogg | somehow it seems like my devserver although it is set to use 8 MB of allocate memory in debian stable does things another cant on 32 MB |
| 10:01.38 | znh | nobody knows how to install debian kernel headers? |
| 10:01.49 | petfrogg | i thought this might me a debian related config |
| 10:01.50 | Guerin | znh: of course we do |
| 10:02.21 | Guerin | znh: aptitude search headers |
| 10:02.43 | znh | Guerin, which ends up in linux-kernel-headers which is not suiteable for kernel module purposes |
| 10:03.43 | haggz | znh: I haven't been paying attention and have been in and out of the channel, but do you need the actual kernel source, not just the header files? |
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| 10:04.05 | Guerin | znh: in which case you're not running debian, since there should be linux-headers or kernel-headers packages corresponding to your (or at least some) kernel |
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| 10:04.21 | enouf | znh: the headers should be in /usr/src/* |
| 10:04.27 | enouf | AFAIK |
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| 10:04.48 | znh | Guerin, that's for Debian stable. Debian testing only has a linux-kernel-headers which are not suiteable for building kernel modules according to their Debian.README |
| 10:05.13 | znh | haggz, probarly I do, since there are no kernel headers available for my running kernel, or atleast suiteable for building kernel modules |
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| 10:05.21 | mazzanet | 'FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive' |
| 10:05.25 | mazzanet | er... |
| 10:05.31 | mazzanet | crap? |
| 10:05.47 | tarzeau | mazzanet: when you do what? |
| 10:06.29 | mazzanet | open cfdisk |
| 10:06.34 | enouf | znh: grep -r .h /usr/src/ |
| 10:06.41 | Redhatter | mazzanet, In other words, you need to hand your computer's robotic arm the right sort of screwdriver so that it can open the drive. |
| 10:06.53 | mazzanet | i set my /home partition up as a raid1 array |
| 10:07.00 | Guerin | znh: bollocks. |
| 10:07.02 | mazzanet | all working fine until i rebooted |
| 10:07.14 | mazzanet | grub says error 15 |
| 10:07.14 | Guerin | !find linux-headers etch |
| 10:07.16 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'linux-headers' (11 of 24): linux-headers-2.6-486 ;; linux-headers-2.6-686 ;; linux-headers-2.6-686-bigmem ;; linux-headers-2.6-k7 ;; linux-headers-2.6-vserver-686 ;; linux-headers-2.6-vserver-k7 ;; linux-headers-2.6-xen-686 ;; linux-headers-2.6-xen-k7 ;; linux-headers-2.6-xen-vserver-686 ;; linux-headers-2.6.18-3 ;; linux-headers-2.6.18-3-486. |
| 10:07.24 | mazzanet | proc shows both drives |
| 10:07.32 | Guerin | znh: now search for `headers' again |
| 10:07.36 | mazzanet | but nothing can read them |
| 10:07.49 | hark | that's because you're looking at linux-kernel-headers |
| 10:07.59 | hark | znh: try again |
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| 10:08.48 | enouf | wtf? .. how can you have and not have headers? wtf? .. ..."I have linux-kernel-headers installed which its files are located in /usr/include, but VMware thinks it's not suiteable for my running kernel.." |
| 10:08.55 | mazzanet | oh i see |
| 10:09.01 | znh | Guerin, well, it doesnt show up for me :) |
| 10:09.16 | mazzanet | the freaking debian cd uses /dev/ide/ |
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| 10:09.29 | enouf | znh: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:09.39 | Guerin | znh: then either a) you're not running debian or b) your sources a horribly b0rk3n |
| 10:09.43 | hark | really... |
| 10:09.53 | enouf | mazzanet: forget /dev/ide |
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| 10:10.05 | znh | enouf, 4.0 |
| 10:10.17 | mazzanet | eh? |
| 10:10.27 | enouf | znh: now cat /proc/version |
| 10:10.36 | enouf | bee? |
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| 10:10.42 | mazzanet | /dev/hd* don't exist |
| 10:11.03 | znh | enouf: Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 |
| 10:11.09 | enouf | mazzanet: well make them then .. but you shouldn't need to |
| 10:11.11 | MatBoy | My oOo menu only opens Writer in XFCE no matter what I want to start of oOo, is this known ? |
| 10:11.20 | hark | znh: linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 10:11.37 | mazzanet | how the deuce do i make them? |
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| 10:11.55 | enouf | mazzanet: man makedec |
| 10:11.56 | mazzanet | i'm using the deb cd to dump me at a shell |
| 10:11.58 | enouf | makedev |
| 10:11.59 | znh | eniac, hark, my sources.list http://pastebin.com/885110 |
| 10:12.15 | hark | gah.. the slow pastebin |
| 10:12.16 | mazzanet | man doesn't exist :P |
| 10:12.17 | enouf | mazzanet: that's noce |
| 10:12.20 | enouf | nice even |
| 10:12.41 | enouf | !jfgi |
| 10:12.41 | dpkg | hmm... jfgi is just fucking google it |
| 10:12.47 | enouf | :-p |
| 10:12.51 | creature | Ok, so, I want to build myself a kernel with the bootsplash kernel packages applied. If I want to do this using initrd, is it OK to just append --initrd to the options indicated at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#PATCHES-KERNEL-PKG ? |
| 10:13.07 | mazzanet | ok, my net connection comes via said dead box |
| 10:13.16 | enouf | aren't those newbie docs old now? |
| 10:13.23 | mazzanet | i'm currently ircing on my mobile phone. |
| 10:13.24 | znh | enouf, is there something amiss with my sources.list? http://pastebin.com/885110 |
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| 10:13.58 | enouf | mazzanet: my toaster turns on my hot tub in the morning for me |
| 10:14.10 | Guerin | enouf: toasters and hot tubs don't mix |
| 10:14.28 | enouf | Guerin: ahh yes.. but the timing is s-o-o- right |
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| 10:15.32 | hark | znh: pastebin apt-cache search linux-headers as well |
| 10:15.36 | enouf | znh: no .. you appear to be doing all correctly .. listen to what hark said .. and |
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| 10:15.59 | hark | baecause it's there.. http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-latest-2.6/ |
| 10:17.14 | enouf | znh: you may need to point vmcrapware to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3/include or someshit |
| 10:18.02 | Harzilein | is there already an easy way to get a list of packages that are suggested by any installed package (together with the package) or do i have to script it myself? |
| 10:18.31 | hark | or /usr/src/linux .. |
| 10:18.34 | Harzilein | with any i mean "all", don't know if english works that way |
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| 10:18.54 | Guerin | Harzilein: look at grep-dctrl |
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| 10:19.23 | enouf | znh: note most entries in the dir /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686/ have symlinks back to the file:///usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3/ dir |
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| 10:20.55 | creature | enouf: I have no idea. I asked how to patch my kernel, I googled it, and came up with that. |
| 10:21.05 | Harzilein | Guerin: ok, so i basically have to do it myself (finding out which suggested package are already installed) |
| 10:21.12 | Harzilein | +s |
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| 10:21.44 | Guerin | Harzilein: yeah, unless aptitude's autho-list does what you want (it doesn't sound like it) |
| 10:21.48 | znh | enouf, I downloaded the debs manualy from packages.debian.com and that worked fine :) |
| 10:22.04 | enouf | creature: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 10:22.43 | enouf | and see the kp mantra |
| 10:22.56 | enouf | and generally yes .. you pass the --initrd option |
| 10:23.39 | enouf | znh: oh .. maybe you didn;t use apt-get source linux-headers-XXX ?? |
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| 10:24.10 | creature | enouf: Is the bit about the patches accurate, still? |
| 10:24.23 | enouf | creature: in the newbiedoc? |
| 10:24.30 | creature | enouf: Yeah. |
| 10:24.51 | enouf | creature: dunno .. i'll look though .. which kernel? |
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| 10:25.53 | Harzilein | Guerin: hmm... actually, i've never paid much attention to aptitude. but it seems to do something that comes very close: |
| 10:25.54 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.03 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.03 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.03 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:26.13 | Guerin | mm, nice |
| 10:26.14 | Harzilein | sry |
| 10:26.25 | znh | enouf, most likely :p |
| 10:26.36 | enouf | creature: check this out http://technowizah.com/2005/12/debian-how-to-custom-kernel-compile.html |
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| 10:28.03 | enouf | creature: the newbie docs seem to be written when 2.4.18 was released :-P |
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| 10:28.34 | warp | hi, i need to build something with a different ./configure option. but preferably to a debian package, is that something i can do with apt-build and/or apt-src? |
| 10:29.07 | creature | enouf: I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 10:29.24 | concept10 | im am sick and fucking tired of the gnome "keep it simple" state of mind |
| 10:29.25 | creature | I wish you'd pointed me to that when I asked before, and wasn't half an hour into my kernel package build... :) |
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| 10:29.56 | Krazy-J | guys... anyone use rsync? |
| 10:30.11 | I-kido | Could anyone give me the right "wine repo" please? |
| 10:30.18 | chemaja | concept10, pwnd. |
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| 10:32.43 | Harzilein | hmm... |
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| 10:35.32 | mazzanet | http://pastebin.ca/364711 |
| 10:35.35 | mazzanet | ... |
| 10:35.37 | mazzanet | why!? |
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| 10:36.12 | [EaK]Rasiel | I'm running debian etch, and i was not able to get the nolisten tcp option gone when starting kdm |
| 10:36.21 | [EaK]Rasiel | where is this option hidden ? |
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| 10:37.10 | amphi | [EaK]Rasiel: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc IIRC |
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| 10:37.22 | creature | enouf: How can I find out the revision number of my current kernel? |
| 10:37.37 | enouf | uname -a |
| 10:37.38 | [EaK]Rasiel | amphi: i grep'd /etc/ recursively |
| 10:37.44 | Harzilein | somehow this one (which is the closest i could find) doesn't just show the installed packages: |
| 10:37.45 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.54 | Harzilein | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.54 | [EaK]Rasiel | it only was on one place (in a default config) where i removed it |
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| 10:38.02 | enouf | creature: cat /proc./version is nicer though ;-) |
| 10:38.17 | enouf | creature: erm cat /proc/version |
| 10:38.17 | amphi | [EaK]Rasiel: *shrug* that's the file it's specified in here |
| 10:38.50 | I-kido | creature: uname -r |
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| 10:39.31 | amphi | [EaK]Rasiel: so 'nolisten tcp' is not specified in that file on your machine? |
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| 10:39.43 | [EaK]Rasiel | weird |
| 10:39.45 | I-kido | oppz too late |
| 10:39.48 | [EaK]Rasiel | yes |
| 10:40.03 | [EaK]Rasiel | i already had it checked |
| 10:40.05 | [EaK]Rasiel | all config file si know |
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| 10:40.09 | amphi | evidently not |
| 10:40.38 | Solak | *sigh* |
| 10:40.46 | [EaK]Rasiel | Xserverrc just says X -dpi 100 |
| 10:41.04 | [EaK]Rasiel | i don't tihnk this file is really executed |
| 10:41.19 | amphi | I have no such file here |
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| 10:42.39 | amphi | [EaK]Rasiel: /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc is the file that contains 'nolisten tcp' in the default install |
| 10:42.55 | [EaK]Rasiel | it's not in there :( |
| 10:43.17 | [EaK]Rasiel | already wasted more than an hour searching this |
| 10:43.37 | [EaK]Rasiel | recursively grepping /usr takes too long |
| 10:43.45 | [EaK]Rasiel | i tried bin root and etc |
| 10:43.47 | ma3x | how do I convert ape -> mp3? |
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| 10:44.24 | creature | enouf: By the way, that document you linked to was helpful but didn't mention kernel patches in it. And I'm using 2.6.18. |
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| 10:44.57 | amphi | [EaK]Rasiel: netstat -plunt shows X is not listening? |
| 10:45.33 | [EaK]Rasiel | ps shows the option |
| 10:45.45 | [EaK]Rasiel | it's started with it |
| 10:46.29 | [EaK]Rasiel | when i run "kdm" it is started with nolisten |
| 10:46.38 | [EaK]Rasiel | when i run startx it is started with the options i'd expect |
| 10:46.49 | amphi | [EaK]Rasiel: oh, so it's some kdm crap |
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| 10:47.54 | [EaK]Rasiel | yes looks like kdm enforces it |
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| 10:47.59 | enouf | I don;t know WHAT I was thinking with that earlier grep -r .h command .. use find /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-3/ -type f -name '*.h' instead |
| 10:48.06 | [EaK]Rasiel | and yes: i already edited the kdmrc configuration and removed the option there |
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| 10:52.39 | enouf | creature: sure it does .. and i haven't had to do this yet .. so maybe some info for ya here http://www.atworkonline.it/%7Ebibe/sarge/index.htm |
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| 10:54.25 | fausto | excuse me.. |
| 10:54.35 | fausto | why i don't have lspci on etch (netinst) |
| 10:54.41 | fausto | how i can have it? |
| 10:54.47 | creature | enouf: Ah yes, so it does. |
| 10:55.19 | Thms | how to know the size of my /home partition and the free space ? |
| 10:55.47 | hark | fausto: install pciutils |
| 10:56.01 | fausto | not lshw |
| 10:56.02 | fausto | ? |
| 10:56.08 | fausto | ok pciutils |
| 10:56.14 | hark | for lspci |
| 10:56.52 | hark | Thms: df -h /home |
| 10:57.01 | enouf | creature: http://www.atworkonline.it/%7Ebibe/etch/index.htm is even more current 2.6.18 stuff |
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| 10:57.17 | zophy | Thms, use "df" and "du ~" |
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| 10:58.17 | zophy | ah df -h /home is more to the point |
| 10:58.30 | hark | du -sh too |
| 10:58.30 | Thms | thanks |
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| 11:00.23 | hark | !qotd0 |
| 11:00.23 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
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| 11:04.52 | wauant | hi all |
| 11:04.56 | wauant | i h ave a problem |
| 11:05.08 | wauant | i can't connect with telnet to my debian |
| 11:05.13 | wauant | someone ca help me ? |
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| 11:05.31 | sep | wauant, dont conenct with telnet, connet with ssh |
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| 11:05.36 | sep | (putty on windows) |
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| 11:06.23 | creature | enouf: These are good, but I don't think any of them cover installing patches "The Debian Way" - ie. if I've used apt-get to install a patch, how it's applied. The manpage of make-kpkg suggests I want --added_patches. |
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| 11:06.46 | hark | wauant: what's the error? |
| 11:06.58 | wauant | telnet or ssh doesn't change i am on a local network so there isn't security problems |
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| 11:07.35 | Amazing` | anyone know any good technology which will allow users to show a webcam to other users on a linux box? |
| 11:07.52 | creature | Amazing`: How do you mean? |
| 11:08.06 | creature | Ekiga has webcam support. amsn will do webcams via MSN. |
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| 11:08.20 | Amazing` | ok like a user connects their webcam to a server and another user can see it |
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| 11:08.41 | wauant | it is write : "telnetd : /usr/lib/telnetlogin : no such file or directory" |
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| 11:10.51 | ma3x | anybody knows how to encode audio to audio (wav -> mp3) with mencoder? it says Video stream is mandatory! |
| 11:11.02 | enouf | creature: so man make-kpkg and /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 11:11.52 | enouf | creature: better man mkinitramfs-kpkg as well |
| 11:12.01 | nyk2005 | I'm having trouble allowing a cgi script access to postgreSQL in the debian system. I created an user with a PW and gave enabled md5-pw login in psql config, but I just can't login with that user. What could I do? |
| 11:12.30 | creature | enouf: That's what I'm doing, but was hoping someoen with more knowledge could at least confirm I'm doing the right thing. |
| 11:13.01 | nyk2005 | And I WAS following the howto |
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| 11:13.32 | Kvant | ma3x, you don't want to use lame, i guess |
| 11:13.53 | enouf | creature: well .. the "Debian way" is to use the Debian kernel :-) .. or check all over the wiki.debian.org .. though I found many are out of date (but the d-i CustomKernel one isn't really) .. but some are very useful |
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| 11:15.22 | wauant | someone can help me for my problem with telnet i have this message when i try to connect :"telnetd : /usr/lib/telnetlogin : no such file or directory" |
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| 11:17.17 | sep | wauant, there is no telnet server installed as default. since it's old, insecure, infelxible and pointless. comapred with ssh. have you installed and configured a telnet server |
| 11:17.27 | nyk2005 | and I have the line "host dbname username 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 md5" in /etc/postgresql/pg_hba.conf |
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| 11:17.58 | hark | wauant: you would need telnetd for that... |
| 11:18.19 | wauant | i do a apt-get install telnet but it is already install |
| 11:18.30 | hark | !info telnetd |
| 11:18.37 | dpkg | telnetd: (The telnet server), section net, is optional. Version: 0.17-35 (sid), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 11:18.46 | hark | !telnet |
| 11:18.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, telnet is an old protocol for remotely logging in to another computer. It is one of the basic utilities for TCP/IP. It is very insecure as it sends all traffic in plaintext! Seriously consider using ssh instead. see telnet-ssl, this one has encryption and certificates support (but that's useless without a remote telnetd-ssl except to play and telnet to an https web server) |
| 11:19.38 | hark | yeah, or telnet-ssl |
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| 11:20.05 | wauant | ok i will try with ssh |
| 11:20.07 | wauant | ty for help |
| 11:20.21 | sep | wauant, get putty if you need to connect from a windows machine |
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| 11:20.39 | DaveyB | Doesn anyone know how I can hook up my evolution web client with my OWA Exchange servers web based login screen? |
| 11:20.55 | enouf | creature: sorry .. I'm only the nighttime janitor |
| 11:21.14 | hark | #evolution maybe (on irc.gnome.org) |
| 11:21.43 | creature | enouf: It's Ok, I think you've given me enough pointers to get me going. |
| 11:22.16 | enouf | and since no one else wanted to touch your stinkin mess .. I'd thought I'd try to help you clean it up :-P |
| 11:22.52 | creature | Hey, it's not a mess yet! |
| 11:23.07 | enouf | !pal creature |
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| 11:27.31 | Solak | hmm. is there a way I can find out which apps were installed from the info in a .tar of the /etc dir? |
| 11:27.44 | blackred | heey guys i really need help on this one. |
| 11:28.36 | blackred | my dad has a Philips PSA610 mp3 player and it doesnt mount. I use KDE and debian etch, But it keeps telling me that the mp3 player is a camera. |
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| 11:29.10 | DarkGhost | maybe it is a camera |
| 11:29.15 | DarkGhost | there a lense on it |
| 11:29.16 | DarkGhost | ? |
| 11:29.18 | Neverther | blackred, some special protocool? |
| 11:29.18 | blackred | NO |
| 11:29.23 | blackred | eehm i dunno |
| 11:29.28 | blackred | protocol camera |
| 11:29.40 | Neverther | blackred, mpt and libgphoto are perry close ech other |
| 11:29.46 | Neverther | mtp* |
| 11:29.50 | blackred | hmm |
| 11:29.52 | Neverther | pretty* |
| 11:29.55 | Neverther | <-- cant type |
| 11:30.00 | blackred | ah its ok |
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| 11:30.04 | DarkGhost | Shouldn't it show up as a USB Mass Storage device? |
| 11:30.16 | blackred | no it doesnt, thats the whole egg eating |
| 11:30.18 | Neverther | no if it uses some protocool as mtp |
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| 11:30.19 | Solak | I think so. |
| 11:30.32 | Solak | blackred: what's in the kernel messages? |
| 11:30.43 | blackred | wait a sec |
| 11:30.53 | blackred | Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: |
| 11:30.53 | blackred | klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'camera'. |
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| 11:31.16 | Solak | you can probably see in the kernel how it is detected (or lsusb) |
| 11:31.37 | blackred | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0471:0181 Philips |
| 11:31.37 | blackred | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 11:31.45 | Solak | hmmm. |
| 11:31.55 | Solak | I would expect somewhat more info from lsusb |
| 11:31.56 | blackred | kinda weird though |
| 11:32.03 | blackred | yeah me too |
| 11:32.06 | Neverther | blackred, try mtp-detect? |
| 11:32.32 | Neverther | or anything that might tell the protocool |
| 11:32.32 | Neverther | maybe look the device specs? |
| 11:32.38 | blackred | eehm, im kinda n00b and i dont know how that works |
| 11:33.00 | blackred | i just want something else then windows xD |
| 11:33.07 | blackred | but im bad with pc's |
| 11:33.39 | Neverther | "There is one problem that will affect a very large number of PC users it will only work with Windows Media Player 10 (supplied) as the download agent." |
| 11:33.43 | Neverther | sounds like MTP |
| 11:33.50 | blackred | hmm |
| 11:33.57 | Neverther | install amarok and try to use the MTP plugin on it? |
| 11:34.04 | blackred | maybe i should use a wine client? |
| 11:34.14 | blackred | amarok is waaay to heavy for this pc |
| 11:34.20 | blackred | 450 MHZ. |
| 11:34.37 | blackred | and 256 MB RAM |
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| 11:34.52 | Neverther | well, just install libmtp and run "mtp-detect", (as root if theres permission problems), it will tell if its mtp |
| 11:35.00 | blackred | ok |
| 11:35.11 | Neverther | then you can get mtpfs and mount it as normal filesystem :D |
| 11:35.42 | blackred | libmtp? what kinda package is that :$ oops* |
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| 11:37.04 | blackred | not in the apt-get list |
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| 11:37.29 | Neverther | lol, http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/ not even in sid? |
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| 11:37.55 | ritchiee | Hey guys, I have a Zoom ADSL USB Modem model: 5510B. I have searched throughout google for some information on getting it to work, I have found a little amount mostly regarding 5510 models and 5510A models, wondering if anyone is familiar with the modem and if they know it can work in linux, if it can i'll try the 5510A drivers? |
| 11:38.06 | blackred | xD! |
| 11:38.42 | Neverther | blackred, lol, theres none in debian :D |
| 11:39.16 | blackred | aaah! |
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| 11:40.43 | blackred | ah well |
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| 11:40.51 | blackred | windows by a friend then |
| 11:41.01 | blackred | stupid philips |
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| 11:41.15 | Zap-W | in exim4 how do i make exim verify only for reverse dns lookups and not to try and do a match with the reversed name and the ip got from doing a normal dns lookup on the name |
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| 11:41.23 | Neverther | blackred, archlinux here, using mtp pretty much, Im here just waiting for repleis on #debian-amd64 |
| 11:41.32 | Neverther | replies* |
| 11:41.39 | blackred | It has an install CD with Windows media Player 10 drivers! |
| 11:41.43 | blackred | and not more |
| 11:41.53 | blackred | archlinux? |
| 11:42.12 | blackred | i heard about it, but i think im not to 1337 though |
| 11:42.12 | Neverther | blackred, another distro |
| 11:42.23 | blackred | yeah i know |
| 11:42.25 | Neverther | blackred, well, its not a distro for total newbie |
| 11:42.27 | blackred | but its kinda hard |
| 11:42.37 | Neverther | I moved from sid to it |
| 11:42.44 | blackred | hmm.. ill try that one day for sure |
| 11:42.48 | Neverther | sid=debian ubstable |
| 11:42.52 | blackred | i mean i had slackware xD |
| 11:42.53 | Neverther | unstable* |
| 11:43.08 | blackred | but i have etch :D |
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| 11:43.47 | Neverther | i dropped sid since it was segfaulting and such, for some reason i had even file "/etc/pwnd" |
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| 11:44.13 | blackred | hahaha xD |
| 11:44.45 | mynullvoid | weird.... I am running sid on my production servers.... and seems working fine |
| 11:45.03 | Neverther | mynullvoid, i guess you didnt upgrade if from woody? |
| 11:45.18 | mynullvoid | I did from woody |
| 11:45.33 | Neverther | woody -> etch -> sarge -> sid was my way :p |
| 11:45.33 | mynullvoid | my installation disc was from woody |
| 11:45.51 | mynullvoid | I don't thing that the order |
| 11:45.57 | mynullvoid | because the stable now is sarge |
| 11:46.24 | baggend | Is anyone else using emacs-snapshot with any of the HTML-based modes and finding it to cause 100% cpu usage? |
| 11:46.27 | Neverther | mynullvoid, it was for me, i switched to testing from woody 2 days after sarge became stable, then i downgraded to sarge |
| 11:46.30 | blackred | stable = etch right? |
| 11:46.42 | Neverther | blackred, stable = sarge |
| 11:46.53 | blackred | old stable? |
| 11:47.04 | Neverther | woody |
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| 11:47.05 | blackred | then what is etch now? |
| 11:47.09 | Neverther | testing |
| 11:47.13 | blackred | still? |
| 11:47.16 | blackred | LOL |
| 11:47.46 | mynullvoid | Neverther: downgrade is a dangerious thing to do |
| 11:47.49 | Neverther | well, thing how long woody was stable, and how long freezing sarge took |
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| 11:48.14 | blackred | hmm |
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| 11:49.01 | Neverther | mynullvoid, ya, but it was only 2 days old etch |
| 11:49.56 | Solak | Kate, Gwenview, ... |
| 11:50.08 | Neverther | gwenview? was older version better? |
| 11:50.16 | Solak | for me, yes. |
| 11:50.21 | mynullvoid | how's your box takes the deps when downgrade |
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| 11:50.26 | boguh | hi, just activated bitmap fonts an now my fonts in firefox look crap. what to do?? |
| 11:50.40 | Neverther | mynullvoid, dont ask me, i switched to arch long ago |
| 11:50.42 | Solak | now I get fullscreen when I click on an image icon, previously gwenview stayed windowed. |
| 11:50.58 | valdyn | boguh: deactivate bitmap fonts |
| 11:51.07 | Neverther | Solak, well, i use gwenview only as konqueror extension |
| 11:51.13 | Solak | and icons+text occupy more space. |
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| 11:51.36 | Solak | Neverther: I use it mainly to browse quickly through a number of images. |
| 11:51.55 | Neverther | Solak, i use gqview for that ;D (lirc patched <3) |
| 11:52.08 | christopherl | anyone know if there's any bluetooth gamepad for computer? |
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| 11:52.34 | boguh | valdyn no other solution? |
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| 11:54.05 | mynullvoid | chris; ask google |
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| 11:54.24 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 11:54.29 | raxip | sup |
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| 11:54.32 | jastarafi | hi |
| 11:54.32 | phisher1 | hello |
| 11:55.01 | zwerg | Are there static Qt-libs in unstable available? |
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| 11:56.47 | zwerg | Qt 3, btw. |
| 11:56.53 | hatter | what is that decides the keyboard layout in etch ? |
| 11:56.55 | jastarafi | investigating |
| 11:56.58 | raxip | fun |
| 11:57.08 | phisher1 | interest |
| 11:57.17 | mynullvoid | zwerg: backport? dotdeb ? |
| 11:57.36 | zwerg | mynullvoid: So there are none in the official repos? |
| 11:57.55 | mynullvoid | sorry not sure, please check in the package list |
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| 11:59.41 | zwerg | I have already. It seems as if they were available in woody but I couldn't find them for any newer dist. |
| 12:00.46 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 12:00.59 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a Debian driver for the Canon MPC 190? |
| 12:01.08 | nyk2005 | how is the font package containing arial called again on debian? |
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| 12:01.24 | HardDisk_WP | nyk2005, msttcorefonts or so |
| 12:01.34 | zwerg | nyk2005: I think it's msttcorefonts. |
| 12:01.37 | nyk2005 | thanks a lot!!! |
| 12:01.57 | nyk2005 | it's such a long list for font, and can't read it well on the laptop in the sun, thanks |
| 12:02.04 | enouf | alright .. so why the fuck can't i use my loop devices? .. tried ecerything I can think of .. the errors make no sense whatsoever, lsof /dev/loop* and /mnt/loop shows nothing , and i can't modprobe -r loop it (FATAL: Module loop is in use. |
| 12:02.04 | enouf | ) |
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| 12:02.45 | nyk2005 | zwerg: I get Package msttcorefonts is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 12:02.49 | enouf | this error is about the only one that may provide a clue ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 12:03.14 | zwerg | nyk2005: You have contrib sources in your sources.list? |
| 12:03.15 | hark | nyk2005: you need contrib |
| 12:03.16 | nyk2005 | and search for corefonts finds openoffice! how strange |
| 12:03.43 | valdyn | !info msttcorefonts |
| 12:03.47 | dpkg | msttcorefonts: (Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 1.8 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
| 12:03.47 | nyk2005 | hark, zwerg: nope... how do I get it? |
| 12:04.00 | enouf | ps aux | grep loop shows them all there (as 0.0) and they won't die (kill -9) .. |
| 12:04.08 | enouf | !shoot loop |
| 12:04.21 | nyk2005 | just add it... :) hmm |
| 12:04.32 | nyk2005 | add it after main? |
| 12:04.41 | zwerg | nyk2005: Yep. |
| 12:04.50 | enouf | I even umounted my reiserfs (on another HDD) .. didn't help |
| 12:05.02 | zwerg | Mine: unstable main contrib |
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| 12:05.27 | enouf | dpkg nooooo |
| 12:05.35 | enouf | wb dpkg |
| 12:05.44 | enouf | dpkg wb |
| 12:05.44 | dpkg | thanks, enouf. It's good to be back. |
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| 12:05.55 | enouf | dpkg where were you? |
| 12:05.56 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 12:06.04 | enouf | w00h00 |
| 12:06.32 | valdyn | enouf: 'losetup -f' |
| 12:06.46 | enouf | ok .. will try thanks valdyn |
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| 12:07.19 | enouf | valdyn: losetup: could not find any free loop device |
| 12:07.39 | valdyn | enouf: so all are in use |
| 12:08.03 | enouf | valdyn: I have no idea what could be using them .. no elaborate shit here |
| 12:08.18 | valdyn | enouf: what does 'losetup -d /dev/loop0 say ? |
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| 12:08.56 | enouf | came right back .. no error |
| 12:09.07 | valdyn | enouf: losetup -f |
| 12:09.16 | loca|host | how to get the mac address of a distant ip |
| 12:09.25 | enouf | valdyn: nice ; |
| 12:09.26 | enouf | sudo losetup -f |
| 12:09.28 | enouf | /dev/loop0 |
| 12:09.35 | enouf | W00ho00 |
| 12:09.52 | enouf | now what the fsck happened prior? |
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| 12:10.15 | valdyn | enouf: you killed the mount , that doesnt free the loop device |
| 12:10.22 | valdyn | enouf: something like that.. |
| 12:11.18 | valdyn | enouf: mount -o loop == losetup /dev/loopX file.iso && mount /dev/loopX /mountpoint ( if that is understandable .. ) |
| 12:11.35 | enouf | valdyn: thanks .. as I said ps and lsof variants weren't able to let me se anything that could possibly be using it/them .. and that stinks .. because then one can't tell .. I will now review the manpages :-) |
| 12:11.59 | enouf | valdyn: it will be after my coffee .. thanks very much :-) |
| 12:13.17 | zwerg | loca|host: If you had connections with the IP, you could check the arp-cache with arp -an. |
| 12:13.25 | enouf | valdyn: Oh .. fwiw .. yes.. i always used -o loop in that way .. but when it wouldn't wiork with anything I tried; |
| 12:13.27 | enouf | sudo mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 12:13.27 | enouf | mount: can't find /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 12:13.39 | enouf | and |
| 12:13.40 | enouf | sudo mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16-2-686 /mnt/loop1 |
| 12:13.40 | enouf | ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 12:13.53 | enouf | and that /mnt point certainly exists |
| 12:14.15 | Solak | Neverther: yeah, but gqview and keys doesn't work for me... |
| 12:14.56 | Solak | Neverther: I was used (back in the ms-dos time) to QPeg, so for me it's easiest to use <- and -> in combination with shift/alt/ctrl to browse through images quickly. |
| 12:15.27 | Solak | Neverther: and I think the toolbars are occupying more space in this newer version... |
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| 12:15.39 | Neverther | Solak, page up and down for images |
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| 12:16.07 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a Debian driver for the Canon MPC 190? |
| 12:16.16 | Jazon | hi. if i edit xorg.conf and want to implement the changes, can I do it without restarting X? |
| 12:16.28 | Solak | Neverther: hmmm. and fullscreen? |
| 12:16.38 | Jazon | ie/ switch to a dual head setup from a single one |
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| 12:17.12 | Neverther | Solak, f |
| 12:17.20 | jelly | Jazon: afaik no, you have to restart X |
| 12:17.27 | Jazon | jelly ok thx |
| 12:18.00 | Neverther | Solak, i got lirc patched since i use the comp as presentator (fullscreen redirects to tv-out here :D) |
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| 12:18.34 | enouf | valdyn: just a fwiw .. it might (only a hunch) have had something to do with the fact that a few days ago, I inadvertantly issued a umount -a command .. and then I had to remount my usbfs, sysfs, and even proc (manually) IIRC .. maybe something got borked then |
| 12:19.08 | enouf | note: i never did a umount -l though |
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| 12:19.24 | Solak | Neverther: ahh. :) |
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| 12:19.44 | Solak | hmm, without aliasing the fonts in kde look better on my tft screen. |
| 12:20.04 | enouf | anti-aliasing? yep |
| 12:20.38 | dromer | hi, I need some help getting my soundcard to work. alsaconf gives back nothing, though I think it should be supported by alsa ( Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI ) |
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| 12:22.24 | sidjster | dromer lspci |
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| 12:23.09 | MatBoy | I can;t clikc very well on Flash buttons in FF, ok Iceweasel, do I miss a package ? Flash is working |
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| 12:23.27 | dromer | sidjster: what is it I need to do with that output? |
| 12:23.47 | sidjster | does it show any sounbd card |
| 12:24.02 | dromer | sidjster: 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02) |
| 12:24.19 | jelly | !which driver for sound |
| 12:24.34 | sidjster | well thats good right |
| 12:24.57 | jelly | !which module for sound |
| 12:24.58 | dpkg | to find which modules supports sound, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/sound/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
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| 12:25.57 | jelly | hmm, that won't work |
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| 12:26.33 | pppag | how do i find out what driver has been loaded for my graphics card? |
| 12:26.34 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a Debian driver for the Canon MPC 190? |
| 12:26.47 | HardDisk_WP | !which module for scanner |
| 12:26.47 | dpkg | to find which modules supports scanner, run this command: grep `lspci -n |awk '/scanner/{sub(":",".*",$3);print $3}'` /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.pcimap |
| 12:26.49 | enouf | thanks again valdyn .. after some testing, it seems I'm going to have to run losetup -d /dev/loop0 before every different loop mount .. cheers! |
| 12:28.17 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: works only for PCI devices and hex domains |
| 12:28.52 | HardDisk_WP | jelly, ah ok. do you know anything about the mpc190 thing? canon dont offer a driver for the scanner |
| 12:29.05 | HardDisk_WP | in lsusb it shows as Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04a9:2635 Canon, Inc. |
| 12:29.05 | jelly | HardDisk_WP: nope |
| 12:29.14 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
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| 12:31.43 | Solak | hmm, with or without aliasing, the fonts don't look to good. |
| 12:32.15 | Solak | is there a special setting (kde) for TFT screens? |
| 12:32.16 | valdyn | enouf: uh, run it for the other loop devices |
| 12:32.56 | enouf | valdyn: well .. ok .. something's a funky-monkey here .. i'm working on it |
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| 12:36.21 | dromer | sidjster: so anymore thoughts on how to get the soundcard working? |
| 12:38.19 | mwh | so i have a kind of nightmare scenario: a debian machine in a data center that someone has bodged an upgrade on and now won't boot |
| 12:38.29 | valdyn | Solak: yes |
| 12:38.39 | mwh | it's booted into some kind of rescue system, so i can chroot to the normal set up |
| 12:38.51 | mwh | does anyone have a clue how i should go about fixing this? |
| 12:38.54 | Solak | valdyn: which setting? :) |
| 12:39.08 | valdyn | Solak: aliasing depends on subpixel order, there's got to be setting somewhere in kde. I don't use kde... |
| 12:39.36 | RvGaTe | My computer isn't booting, i have splashy installed and the progress bar is stuck at around 85% i thought it would do a system check, but its been there for around 20min now... F2 vorbose mode doesn't work either... what do i do ? (debian etch) |
| 12:39.47 | Solak | valdyn: ah. |
| 12:39.52 | Solak | ok. |
| 12:39.59 | dromer | can someone help me get my soundcard to work? |
| 12:40.06 | Solak | brb |
| 12:41.04 | valdyn | Solak: ah i found it |
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| 12:46.01 | RvGaTe | anyone ? :S |
| 12:46.08 | RvGaTe | i kinda need my pc today :P |
| 12:46.50 | Solak | re |
| 12:46.51 | sep | RvGaTe, can you giev boot argument to avoid splashy ? |
| 12:46.53 | Solak | valdyn: and? |
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| 12:47.46 | valdyn | Solak: appearance & themes -> Fonts -> Use anti-aliased fonts -> Configure... > Use sub-pixel hinting |
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| 12:48.04 | sugoruyo | hi all |
| 12:48.06 | jelly | dromer: does http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ offer a driver for that card? |
| 12:48.15 | enouf | valdyn: after we starightened it out .. at first I could easily mount say a debian.iso netinstall .. but can't loop mount any initrds at all .. I give up .. I bet a reboot or a restart of udev maybe would do it .. I've straced the commands (when trying to mount), but it's a bit beyond me to decipher though it fails quite quickly .. so .. I'm calling it quits for now.. |
| 12:48.15 | Solak | valdyn: yes, but what's the correct setting for TFT's? |
| 12:48.16 | RvGaTe | sep: i have no idea, im more concerned about having a broken system right now... i want to know what's taking so long |
| 12:48.19 | sugoruyo | i need some help installing debian |
| 12:48.34 | sugoruyo | cause the installer hangs when probing for CD drives |
| 12:48.43 | valdyn | enouf: this shouldn't be udev related |
| 12:48.44 | jelly | Solak: there is no "correct" setting, find out which looks the nicest to you. |
| 12:48.56 | Solak | hmmm. |
| 12:49.06 | sep | RvGaTe, that's tricky when you can't see the screen :) is network up ? can you ping it ? can you ssh it ? |
| 12:49.08 | valdyn | enouf: though its still an error that your loop devies don't get freed automagically |
| 12:49.08 | jelly | Solak: for example, I dislike sub-pixel hinting |
| 12:49.44 | enouf | valdyn: ok .. whatever .. actually the error most common when trying to mount the initrds is; |
| 12:49.51 | valdyn | Solak: .. and pick the rgb order that looks best |
| 12:49.57 | enouf | ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy |
| 12:49.57 | enouf | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 12:50.50 | enouf | Though I can easily mount any .iso a "mount -o loop /initrd.img /mnt/loop1" fails horribly |
| 12:50.54 | RvGaTe | sep: i can ping it, i can even ssh it... |
| 12:51.10 | valdyn | enouf: -t ramfs? or whatever the fs is |
| 12:51.31 | RvGaTe | sep: ill disable splashy, and do a reboot... see what happens |
| 12:51.37 | jelly | RvGaTe: if you can ssh in, you can see the process tree and where is the boot up sequence stuck |
| 12:51.46 | enouf | valdyn: hrmm .. maybe .. lemmee try .. I dio NOT recall having to do that .. dang .. you may have something there .. doh |
| 12:51.59 | RvGaTe | jelly: how would i do so ? |
| 12:52.09 | jelly | RvGaTe: pstree? |
| 12:52.14 | valdyn | enouf: that initrd could be gzipped too. |
| 12:52.28 | enouf | !prize and pony valdyn |
| 12:52.48 | enouf | valdyn: yeee hawww .. I'm such a putz .. thanks mate |
| 12:52.53 | valdyn | enouf: only filesystems that are already loaded are autodetected |
| 12:53.04 | RvGaTe | jelly, im not sure i understand |
| 12:53.06 | valdyn | enouf: ( which some exception on some distros, no idea about debian ) |
| 12:53.14 | sep | RvGaTe, cant you just kill splachy in ssh ? |
| 12:53.15 | enouf | valdyn: ahhh .. can I preload a ramfs module? .. does one exist? |
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| 12:53.24 | sep | and use ps and pstree to look at what processes are running |
| 12:53.38 | valdyn | enouf: well, it shouldn't be a module if this is a kernel that can load an initrd |
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| 12:53.49 | valdyn | enouf: which would mean that it's loaded. |
| 12:53.58 | valdyn | enouf: that driver can be compiled as a module though yes |
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| 12:54.28 | jelly | RvGaTe: take a look at pstree output, locate the boot sequence processes and take note at the leaves of that branch. Or pastebin the pstree -p output |
| 12:54.32 | valdyn | enouf: s/load an initrd/mount an initrd at boottime/ |
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| 12:56.15 | RvGaTe | jelly: http://www.pastebin.co.uk/10707 |
| 12:56.24 | jelly | RvGaTe: I guess there will be something like run-parts running, and some processes beneath it |
| 12:56.46 | enouf | valdyn: well you perplex me with that "don't know about debian" .. hehe .. it appears my Debian 2.6.16-2-686 comes with a romfs module .. I'll try that |
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| 12:57.15 | jelly | RvGaTe: hm, looks like everything is running fine |
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| 12:57.43 | jelly | RvGaTe: even gdm and X is up |
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| 12:58.29 | RvGaTe | jelly: altho at the screen itself i see splashy... lol |
| 12:58.36 | enouf | no go with romfs .. so mount option -t ramfs it is .. :-D |
| 12:58.49 | enouf | I don't do it often so I foget about that ;-( |
| 12:58.56 | enouf | forget even |
| 12:58.58 | jelly | RvGaTe: I blame splashy. |
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| 12:59.26 | jelly | RvGaTe: try killing it |
| 12:59.39 | jelly | RvGaTe: or maybe stopping it if it has an init script |
| 12:59.44 | sidjster | splashy is cool huh at least you get to look at it for a long time |
| 13:00.02 | sidjster | get to really see all its fine detail |
| 13:00.17 | RvGaTe | sidjster: not funny :P |
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| 13:00.37 | enouf | valdyn: thanks a gazillion .. |
| 13:00.45 | hark | remove the splash boot parameter (if that's what splashy needs) |
| 13:01.02 | Blackhold | how can I copy files that has à áèéìÃòóùú in windows to a ext3 folder? I have some problems 'cause some files has invalid characters |
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| 13:01.47 | Blackhold | or there's a way to mount an ntfs as utf8? |
| 13:01.47 | hark | RvGaTe: you're running sid? |
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| 13:02.31 | RvGaTe | hark: etch |
| 13:03.00 | RvGaTe | jelly: i managed to get a hold of gdm now... first thing i would do is disable splashy |
| 13:03.06 | RvGaTe | jelly: seems to be buggy :P |
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| 13:03.07 | hark | splashy is not in etch.. |
| 13:03.19 | RvGaTe | hark: no shit sherlock :P |
| 13:03.32 | hark | RvGaTe: tsk tsk.. |
| 13:03.38 | RvGaTe | hark: hehe |
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| 13:04.04 | RvGaTe | jelly, sep, thx for your help, i can take it from here... :) |
| 13:05.48 | sidjster | silicone image sucks |
| 13:05.49 | RvGaTe | there, on my own pc now |
| 13:06.10 | stoned | RvGaTe: ! |
| 13:06.13 | hark | !congratulate RvGaTe |
| 13:06.13 | dpkg | Good show RvGaTe, you did it! |
| 13:06.57 | RvGaTe | \o/ |
| 13:07.17 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.23 | stoned | / \ |
| 13:07.28 | stoned | fat legs |
| 13:07.33 | RvGaTe | /^\ |
| 13:07.35 | RvGaTe | aaah |
| 13:07.54 | stoned | the ^ is inappropriate |
| 13:07.57 | stoned | isn't it |
| 13:08.00 | enouf | valdyn: screwed again .. it even mounts with -t cramfs .. but nothing is showwing in ls -al output .. I told ya .. ghost in the Machine :-P |
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| 13:08.24 | RvGaTe | stoned, lets be OT please... :) |
| 13:08.24 | enouf | O.o stoned |
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| 13:09.26 | sidjster | only stoned could make an inappropriate ^ |
| 13:09.30 | stoned | what |
| 13:09.44 | stoned | it just makes him look like hes got a package |
| 13:09.47 | stoned | with the ^ |
| 13:09.54 | stoned | I don't wanna see no dude's package |
| 13:10.04 | stoned | not unless it was a debian package |
| 13:10.21 | sidjster | only you could turn the ^ into a porn image |
| 13:10.37 | sidjster | can you turn it into a bong? |
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| 13:11.06 | Nyle | ok so who's feeling free to go fuck themselves? |
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| 13:11.11 | Nyle | thats what I thought. |
| 13:11.32 | Nyle | |
| 13:11.45 | sidjster | pot heads can make a bong out of anything ^ |
| 13:11.46 | zamuro | Morning, all. |
| 13:11.53 | Nyle | hi |
| 13:12.10 | Nyle | ahh |
| 13:12.17 | Nyle | the sweet sweet smell of burning cheeba in the monring |
| 13:12.53 | sidjster | pretty funny |
| 13:13.02 | Nyle | so I've got apache and php installed and working |
| 13:13.10 | Nyle | is there a reason why I would want apache2? |
| 13:13.21 | sidjster | whats your web site? |
| 13:13.23 | Nyle | I have had this webserver running apache for a number of years |
| 13:13.29 | jelly | Nyle: it's the default in etch |
| 13:13.35 | Nyle | jelly: umm |
| 13:13.37 | Nyle | don't yell at me |
| 13:13.46 | Nyle | it runs on a sid machine! |
| 13:14.16 | jelly | Nyle: funny, I didn't know there was apache 1.3 on >= testing |
| 13:14.19 | Nyle | I need a stable webserver, so I think I'll throw debian on that old 1ghz compaq machine I have |
| 13:14.32 | Nyle | salvaged it out of a bank dumps |
| 13:14.34 | Nyle | 7 machines |
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| 13:14.47 | Nyle | hold on |
| 13:15.01 | sidjster | ive been salvaging like crazy lately |
| 13:15.19 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.24 | jelly | ... but there is, yes |
| 13:15.30 | Nyle | thats the one |
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| 13:16.00 | Nyle | so back to my question, do I _need_ apache2 or not? |
| 13:16.10 | Nyle | I've had people recommend I switch up to apache2 |
| 13:16.18 | jelly | Nyle: well, if you have no special reason for 1.3, I'd suggest going with the 2.x series. It's da shit... and upstream prefers it too |
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| 13:16.25 | sidjster | what is your web site |
| 13:16.27 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 13:16.40 | Nyle | sidjster: I don't have one |
| 13:16.55 | Nyle | I can't just show you my website |
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| 13:17.01 | Nyle | let me make an index.html real quick |
| 13:17.09 | hardcoffee | for wine (counter) that better to use flex or flex-old ?? |
| 13:17.42 | pzn | Hi! how to monitor the laptop battery from command line? (I need to debug if the kernel/driver is working) |
| 13:17.59 | jelly | pzn: acpi -b, maybe |
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| 13:19.04 | Nyle | sidjster: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 13:19.10 | Nyle | I think |
| 13:19.36 | sidjster | very good |
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| 13:19.43 | ritchiee | what is the best method to encrypt a linux ext3 filesystem? also what encryption would be best? |
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| 13:19.56 | Nyle | jelly: whoah whoah |
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| 13:20.07 | sidjster | now just what to put on that blank page |
| 13:20.09 | Nyle | jelly: when i go to the wwwroot it says apache2-default |
| 13:20.13 | guiden | where do I find amd64 iso images? |
| 13:20.18 | Nyle | but it says apache1.3.34 in the version |
| 13:20.19 | sidjster | ive been there for hours |
| 13:20.26 | jelly | Nyle: that's ok |
| 13:20.30 | enouf | valdyn: like Jackie gleasin g\having an epiphany in the honeymooners ... Haaaaa HAAAA! |
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| 13:20.39 | enouf | gleason even' |
| 13:20.50 | jelly | Nyle: take a look in /var/www |
| 13:21.16 | enouf | valdyn: after i losetup -d every friggin /dev/loopX .. then finally i could modprobe -r loop .. :-) |
| 13:21.38 | enouf | valdyn: Then .. i just modprobed it back .. and everythign is working as expected .. w00t |
| 13:22.16 | Nyle | man I should have this webserver on a stable system. I don't have any info really that I need to protect. its just a junk machine too |
| 13:22.17 | enouf | I eve mounted using cramfs ;-) |
| 13:22.18 | jelly | Nyle: or maybe not. Anyway, since apache2 is now the default, bits and pieces of it are used even for apache1.3 |
| 13:22.25 | pzn | jelly, acpi -b did not work... I found /proc/acpi/battety/BATT0/state that shows its state |
| 13:22.26 | Nyle | jelly: I see |
| 13:22.28 | valdyn | enouf: did you get into this mess by unmounting a partition that had the mounted files on it? |
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| 13:23.02 | Nyle | hey |
| 13:23.10 | Nyle | does mount --bind work on NFS or network shares? |
| 13:23.18 | sidjster | i would rujn my web server with etch |
| 13:23.33 | sidjster | its frozen and so new |
| 13:23.43 | Nyle | its not frozen |
| 13:23.49 | enouf | valdyn: erm .. dunno .. I doubt it .. i think either my umount -a (a few days ago) .. or my loop module just got corrupted or hung up on something .. when I did the umount -a .. there were no loops mounted though then .. afaik |
| 13:23.50 | valdyn | Nyle: mount --bind works on any directory in your path |
| 13:23.51 | Nyle | well not fully |
| 13:24.02 | Nyle | valdyn: thats what it is then |
| 13:24.03 | sidjster | what? |
| 13:24.15 | Nyle | valdyn: I was trying to bind a mount point to a directory far within the share |
| 13:24.21 | Nyle | for easy access |
| 13:24.35 | valdyn | Nyle: that should work |
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| 13:24.37 | Nyle | symlink goes green after NFS share is umounted |
| 13:24.55 | Nyle | so I thought maybe --bind |
| 13:24.56 | enouf | valdyn: IOW .. even though I did a umount -a unintentionally, I did have to remount (as I said) usbfs (not even used, but loaded), /proc, and /sys .. so |
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| 13:25.32 | enouf | !dance with enouf |
| 13:25.33 | valdyn | enouf: ah, maybe that confused some tool(s) |
| 13:25.44 | valdyn | enouf: like whatever wrote and read /etc/mtab |
| 13:25.52 | enouf | valdyn: i think so .. thanks for the pointers and help .. |
| 13:26.17 | enouf | valdyn: right i kept getting no entry in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab errors |
| 13:27.23 | enouf | valdyn: i still would've forgotten about your -t ramfs/cramfs mount option though .. so hugs and kisses if you're a female or a hearty handshake and a beer if a male :-) |
| 13:28.02 | enouf | oh he's gone? |
| 13:28.04 | Nyle | why stop at hugs and kisses? |
| 13:28.15 | enouf | Nyle: just being polite ;-) |
| 13:28.26 | Nyle | you can be extra polite with some boning |
| 13:28.33 | enouf | hehe . indeed |
| 13:28.38 | Nyle | who doesn't like good sex? right? |
| 13:28.49 | enouf | you betcha |
| 13:29.33 | Nyle | I think the worlds economy should be replaced by sex and cheeseburgers |
| 13:29.37 | Nyle | the entire currency |
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| 13:30.03 | Nyle | cuz really that is all you need at the end of the day |
| 13:30.31 | RvGaTe | Nyle, what about the people who dont like cheeseburgers? :P |
| 13:30.38 | Nyle | hey how much is that car? let me blow you for it. Oh I just had one, you got a cheeseburger? |
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| 13:30.50 | Nyle | well there are some kinks in the system I have not worked out yet |
| 13:30.55 | Nyle | like Hindus for example |
| 13:31.09 | Nyle | anti beef, can't eat cheeseburgers |
| 13:31.14 | RvGaTe | and people who dont have sex before marriage |
| 13:31.16 | Nyle | cows are like super heroes to em |
| 13:31.34 | Nyle | like I said, there are some kinks in the system I have not worked out yet |
| 13:31.35 | guiden | indians are skinny beacouse they dont eat meat |
| 13:31.40 | Nyle | but it makes pretty good sense |
| 13:31.42 | guiden | a |
| 13:31.48 | Nyle | I think |
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| 13:32.18 | RvGaTe | Nyle, macdonalds and durex would rule the world or work for the goverment then i guess... |
| 13:32.21 | guiden | well this is the deal, USA sucks, the are fascist pigs and the population is brainwashed |
| 13:32.29 | Nyle | guiden: hey |
| 13:32.36 | Nyle | I was not bringint #politics into it |
| 13:32.40 | sep | Nyle, whats the exchange rate in cheesburgers and blowjobs ? ? |
| 13:32.55 | Nyle | sep: I dunno yet, I'm still working on a conversion formula |
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| 13:33.05 | RvGaTe | how much euro is a blowjob? |
| 13:33.10 | Nyle | dude? |
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| 13:33.25 | RvGaTe | Nyle, just thinking trough the system |
| 13:33.34 | Nyle | its not about money.. anymore. You trade various kinds of cheeseburgers and various personal services |
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| 13:33.48 | raf256_ | can debian run on a cell phone? |
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| 13:34.45 | rpc | should i use a special module for realtek 8169? |
| 13:34.45 | rpc | or does debian handle that on default? |
| 13:34.46 | Nyle | default i think |
| 13:34.46 | RvGaTe | raf256_, probably not, but there should be other distro's designed for mobile usage |
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| 13:34.54 | rpc | Nyle i experience low networking performance |
| 13:35.07 | Nyle | rpc: yeh well lifes a bitch |
| 13:35.09 | ebbs | hi. Does anybody know a good tool for any2dvd things...? |
| 13:35.29 | sidjster | do you have low performance hardware? |
| 13:35.30 | Nyle | rpc: I dunno anymore. I don't have realtek anymore |
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| 13:35.43 | Nyle | its onboard so yeah |
| 13:35.48 | tarzeau | raf256_: i think so, yes |
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| 13:36.19 | raf256_ | tarzeau: any links to such debian based distro? brb |
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| 13:37.11 | illsci | hey on a debian box where is the proper place to put link speed settings...? |
| 13:37.19 | illsci | i didnt see anything about it in the interfaces man page |
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| 13:37.23 | enouf | AhAAA ! again |
| 13:37.37 | tarzeau | raf256: or not: http://tuxmobil.org/debian_linux_phones.html |
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| 13:38.06 | enouf | the 2.6.8 initrds can be mounted using cramfs or ramfs .. BUT the 2.6.16 can only use ramfs option (maybe romfs too, haven't tried) |
| 13:38.31 | rpc | illsci ethtool is your friend |
| 13:38.43 | tarzeau | rpc: or module parameters in /etc/modules |
| 13:38.45 | rpc | if only you didn't left the channel you would know now :) |
| 13:38.50 | rpc | leave* |
| 13:39.05 | rpc | tarzeau that i had no idea about, checking... |
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| 13:39.45 | poisdeux | hey, I'm having a problem with a custom package i am trying to build. I want it to put some answers in the debconf database using db_set, however when I try to install the package I get the following error: "debconf: DbDriver config: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process". I've checked the opened files with lsof but can't find any processes accessing the database. Does anyone know what might be the problem? |
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| 13:40.35 | tarzeau | poisdeux: what custom package is it? which software? |
| 13:40.36 | poisdeux | I use db_set in postinst script to put the answers in |
| 13:40.36 | raf256 | how to attack my LAN computer from my box to analyze is it vulnerable (firewalls etc)? |
| 13:40.36 | tarzeau | poisdeux: and do you really need to ask those questions? can't just put it in README.Debian ? |
| 13:40.36 | raf256 | there was some program for this.. |
| 13:40.37 | raf256 | scanner something |
| 13:40.37 | tarzeau | raf256: nmap host ? |
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| 13:42.34 | raf256 | tarzeau: there is a GUI tool? |
| 13:42.36 | tarzeau | raf256: dunno |
| 13:43.15 | raf256 | there was big GUI scanner... whats the name |
| 13:43.30 | raf256 | ah, nessus |
| 13:43.41 | rpc | raf256 you bad polish boy |
| 13:43.47 | raf256 | rpc: wtf? |
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| 13:43.58 | rpc | raf256 you are all crazy about scanning |
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| 13:44.10 | rpc | raf256 and this is no security related chan, just debian general one |
| 13:44.12 | raf256 | who "we"? |
| 13:44.22 | Redhatter | raf256, `nmapfe` |
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| 13:44.44 | raf256 | rpc: I was asking about debian tool |
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| 13:44.55 | valdyn | raf256: nmap is a scanner, nessus is a scanner with a database and exploits included ( not just a 'gui scanner' ) |
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| 13:45.17 | poisdeux | tarzeau: If you are referring to the debconf-doc manpages than no that did not provide me with the answer to my problem |
| 13:45.17 | Redhatter | raf256, Well, it's not actually a Debian tool. Debian merely distributes precompiled versions of it. |
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| 13:45.28 | valdyn | s/exploits/tests for known exploits/ |
| 13:45.50 | rpc | Redhatter can't you see that he is just trying to learn how to attack and find holes? |
| 13:45.58 | rpc | feed him even more |
| 13:46.02 | rolandlakr | Hello everyone. |
| 13:46.08 | Redhatter | rpc, Yeah... a clueless script kiddie. |
| 13:46.45 | raf256 | Redhatter: well, and you are killing babies |
| 13:46.46 | valdyn | rpc: why do you think so? this isn't the first time raf256 comes here asking paranoid questions about his own box |
| 13:47.00 | raf256 | rpc: did you stop beating up your wife? |
| 13:47.06 | Redhatter | raf256, Show me how, and I'll believe you :-) |
| 13:47.13 | rolandlakr | wow. |
| 13:47.13 | rpc | raf256 polish lame ass. |
| 13:47.14 | zamuro | lol |
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| 13:47.14 | sidjster | this is now the funniest thing if seen today |
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| 13:47.29 | rolandlakr | sidjster.. |
| 13:47.32 | valdyn | raf256: how many computers are you trying to test? |
| 13:47.33 | rpc | raf256 arrogant, lame and always ready to scan boxes. |
| 13:47.34 | raf256 | rpc: I wonder will staff approve rasists |
| 13:47.36 | rpc | feed him not. |
| 13:47.39 | rolandlakr | it's 7:30 in the morning and i ordered pizza... |
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| 13:47.43 | rolandlakr | is that funny?... |
| 13:47.44 | raf256 | !ops rasists |
| 13:47.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: raf256 complains about: rasists |
| 13:48.06 | rpc | and yet you don't know what rasist means... |
| 13:48.16 | valdyn | its spelled racist |
| 13:48.17 | Redhatter | It helps if you can spell racist properly. |
| 13:48.31 | Thms | is LBA in fdisk free space ? |
| 13:48.37 | rpc | valdyn i was being sarcastic... |
| 13:48.46 | valdyn | Thms: no |
| 13:48.46 | raf256 | valdyn: I am scanning one box |
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| 13:48.59 | raf256 | rpc: for your information I am simply checking is box correctly configured |
| 13:49.30 | rpc | raf256 close all the ports you don't use first of all then |
| 13:49.35 | valdyn | raf256: scanning is a _stupid_ method to get an overview over _many_ boxes, you better use netstat -plunt and check your installed server for holes manually |
| 13:49.52 | raf256 | valdyn: just one box |
| 13:49.53 | rpc | ..instead of running stupid scans when you have no idea what you are doing |
| 13:50.02 | valdyn | raf256: thats a gazillion times better than using a stupid program for just a single box |
| 13:50.03 | Thms | valdyn because I try to create a new partition with n and it say no free sectores avaible but there is 20gb unpartionned space in partition magic :x |
| 13:50.36 | raf256 | ok, but I wanted to do this using scanner? is it a crome |
| 13:50.42 | sidjster | somebody shoot somebody |
| 13:50.42 | valdyn | Thms: is lba on in your bios for that particular disk? |
| 13:50.49 | sidjster | with the badgers |
| 13:50.54 | raf256 | rpc: that would be the time where you might apologize |
| 13:50.55 | sidjster | its the best |
| 13:51.02 | rpc | raf256 for what? |
| 13:51.04 | sidjster | shoot him |
| 13:51.09 | rolandlakr | don't shoot him! |
| 13:51.09 | valdyn | Thms: mind , changing that setting may make your system unable to boot from that disk |
| 13:51.14 | rolandlakr | shoot who?... :| |
| 13:51.21 | rolandlakr | i want my pizza now..I |
| 13:51.22 | creature | How smart are patches? Are they smart enough to know if they can be applied Ok to a given file? |
| 13:51.31 | rolandlakr | I ordered a large breakfast pizza :| |
| 13:51.34 | valdyn | creature: no |
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| 13:51.46 | raf256 | rpc: for stupid accusations |
| 13:51.48 | sidjster | !shoot raf256 |
| 13:51.54 | sidjster | heheheh |
| 13:51.56 | hark | do a dry run |
| 13:51.57 | sidjster | i did it |
| 13:52.00 | rpc | <raf256> rpc: did you stop beating up your wife? |
| 13:52.16 | raf256 | rpc: you started it |
| 13:52.18 | valdyn | creature: patches contain information like preceeding and follow lines and line numbers. If those values can be get to matched you get no error, if there's a somewhat fuzzy match you get a warning |
| 13:52.20 | rpc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:52.30 | Thms | valdynno |
| 13:52.32 | sidjster | chickens cant even shoot someone |
| 13:52.35 | jazbo2185 | is there a tool that will stitch photos together into a panorama? I want one that does it automatically (not manually like hugin)... |
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| 13:52.55 | rpc | raf256: you are acting lame and you yet want me to apologise? that's ridiculous. just go away. |
| 13:52.56 | sidjster | whats the deal with wifebeating anyway |
| 13:54.05 | rpc | sidjster no clue, guy has some personal problems if you asked me lol |
| 13:54.05 | creature | jazbo2185: You may try asking in #photogeeks. |
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| 13:54.06 | raf256 | <rpc> Redhatter can't you see that he is just trying to learn how to attack and find holes? <rpc> raf256 polish lame ass. <rpc> raf256 you bad polish boy |
| 13:54.06 | rpc | raf256 polish lame ass was right after you said about beating someone's wife |
| 13:54.06 | tarzeau | jazbo2185: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/flowe/digifoto/panotls/index.htm |
| 13:54.06 | rpc | raf256 and i will say it again if you like? |
| 13:54.06 | raf256 | sidjster: he lied that I am trying to hack some computers, so I lied he is beating his wife, seems even |
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| 13:54.07 | creature | valdyn: Hmm. As an *entirely* unrelated point (honest), if I were to screw up my /etc/init.d/rc my system will not boot at all. Not even to single-user mode. Right? |
| 13:54.17 | sidjster | you guys are nuts |
| 13:54.19 | raf256 | rpc: I wonder will staff approve this |
| 13:54.20 | valdyn | creature: wrong |
| 13:54.23 | rpc | raf256 i said that your question had nothing to do with debian |
| 13:54.34 | sidjster | staff is not going to be happy |
| 13:54.37 | sidjster | at all |
| 13:55.03 | creature | valdyn: Ok, well let's say I replace it with a hosed file. Will I still be able to boot, login as root, and restore it from backup? |
| 13:55.06 | rpc | raf256 and worry about yourself first of all |
| 13:55.49 | rolandlakr | amphi: good day to ya :D |
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| 13:55.58 | sidjster | this was the best #debian day yet |
| 13:56.01 | amphi | g'day rolandlakr |
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| 13:56.12 | valdyn | creature: if you /etc/init.d/* is hosed, then you cannot boot using the default init program. That program is just the first program to be run by the kernel. That default can be changed to whatever, like /bin/bash. That would boot you to a shell prompt, no login |
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| 13:56.22 | raf256 | rpc: I need scanner to secure my own box, not to attack others |
| 13:56.38 | rpc | raf256 so go and google it out, it's all there on the web |
| 13:56.46 | concept10 | Anyone have Cairo knowledge? What does cairo have to do with the clearlooks theme engine? Does it draw the buttons? |
| 13:57.04 | amphi | raf256: you can use t3h g1bs0n to remote scan yourself |
| 13:57.08 | rpc | raf256 and asking such questions will always cast a shade on you |
| 13:57.20 | creature | valdyn: That's astonishing. Surely not. |
| 13:57.22 | raf256 | rpc: still you insulted me and made personal remarks |
| 13:57.32 | amphi | raf256: you can use /ignore |
| 13:57.32 | valdyn | !i forgot root's password |
| 13:57.32 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 13:57.36 | valdyn | creature: ^^^ |
| 13:57.38 | rpc | raf256 you started it and please shut up already. |
| 13:57.43 | raf256 | rpc: not always, only 1 guy reacted in such a stupid way |
| 13:57.47 | creature | valdyn: So all someone has to do to get a root shell is edit my boot options in grub? |
| 13:57.48 | sidjster | lilo is leaving right |
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| 13:58.32 | raf256 | creature: protect that option with password --md5 in /boot/grub config |
| 13:58.49 | valdyn | creature: that fear is ridiculous. To change your boot options someone needs to already have root access or physical access to your terminal, in which case he can just remove your harddisk or whatever |
| 13:58.53 | raf256 | creature: still one can boot a live cd (use bios password) or take out the hard drive |
| 13:59.14 | apk | creature: encrypt your hard drive. |
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| 13:59.19 | creature | I wouldn't go so far as ridiculous. Perhaps a little irrational. |
| 13:59.21 | amphi | is it still sunday somewhere? |
| 13:59.31 | raf256 | apk: it is not possible to encrypt ENTIRE drive |
| 13:59.44 | raf256 | creature: OH NOES! |
| 13:59.46 | apk | raf256: It is possible to encrypt every partition except /boot. |
| 13:59.51 | raf256 | creature: you are asking how to HACK a box |
| 13:59.57 | valdyn | creature: i really meant 'more than unneeded' or similar |
| 14:00.03 | creature | Not quite, raf256. |
| 14:00.08 | raf256 | rpc: quickly, to the batmobile, lets stop apk - he shurly is a HACKER omg omg |
| 14:00.11 | creature | I was asking if that's how someone could crack mine. |
| 14:00.18 | apk | raf256: You could encryp every partition if you put grub and an inird on a cd or usb stick and booted that. |
| 14:00.23 | rpc | can someone take that idiot out of here? |
| 14:00.31 | raf256 | creature: I was asking the same about network then rpc idiot accused me of beeing hacker |
| 14:00.31 | zamuro | Nah... He's fun. |
| 14:00.33 | rpc | as you can see he is pulling my leg all the time |
| 14:00.47 | sidjster | when i get some authority in this room there are gonna be somne changes im just letting you know now |
| 14:00.53 | creature | I'm not getting pulled in to the hair-pulling contest between the two of you, thank you. |
| 14:01.00 | rpc | raf256 you want me to talk to freenode staff about you? |
| 14:01.06 | raf256 | rpc: please do! |
| 14:01.11 | rpc | raf256 i will sort you out very fast if you really want to |
| 14:01.21 | raf256 | rpc: I already informed them a bout your "stupid pole" remarks |
| 14:01.26 | amphi | rpc: wtf? give it a rest |
| 14:01.27 | jelly | rpc: you did taunt him with nation-related remarks, it's only fair... |
| 14:01.34 | rpc | raf256 i already finished with you and you keep pulling my leg! are you nuts or what? |
| 14:01.48 | amphi | rpc: just use /ignore ffs |
| 14:01.55 | rpc | raf256 stop the damn insults already and shut up, go scan the box. |
| 14:01.58 | sidjster | i need some kettel corn |
| 14:02.00 | raf256 | rpc: you didnt yet appologize for false accusations and nation remarks |
| 14:02.06 | rpc | amphi yeah. |
| 14:02.20 | apk | Am I in #babies? I thought I joined #debian. |
| 14:02.21 | rpc | raf256 i can only make you pray if you like |
| 14:02.22 | jelly | raf256: dude, /ignore |
| 14:02.30 | amphi | apk: tardswarm |
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| 14:02.40 | sidjster | it aint a real fight until some one gets shot |
| 14:02.47 | raf256 | apk: sorry, I just don't like nation-related remarks |
| 14:02.49 | jelly | amphi: it is Tardsday after all ;-) |
| 14:02.52 | valdyn | !gowin's law |
| 14:02.52 | sidjster | !shoot sidjster |
| 14:02.55 | valdyn | !godwin's law |
| 14:02.55 | dpkg | somebody said godwin's law was http://www.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/faqs/godwin.faq or http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/g/Godwin_s_Law.html |
| 14:03.07 | stew | raf256: rpc: drop it |
| 14:03.15 | apk | amphi: What does "tardswarm" mean? |
| 14:03.32 | rpc | a guy is coming in to ask how to find vulnerabilities and he is expecting others to tell him how to do that, yet he dares to insult others just because they doubt his intentions which are mean if you asked me |
| 14:03.37 | rpc | stew ok. |
| 14:03.43 | stew | rpc: keep it on topic, use /ignore |
| 14:04.03 | raf256 | rpc: and look, other guy comes in and asks how to restore root password, shurly he is an evil hacker |
| 14:04.06 | rpc | stew i just wanted to make it clear. /ignore on |
| 14:04.16 | hark | there was nothing wrong with his question.. afaics |
| 14:04.18 | raf256 | stew: yeah I made my point already so eot |
| 14:04.19 | sidjster | tardswarm |
| 14:04.28 | sidjster | i cant stop laughing |
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| 14:05.13 | amphi | apk: a swarm of tards |
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| 14:05.41 | kemp | anyone care to help with a sound issue I'm having with NVidia CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller ? |
| 14:06.02 | sidjster | ask your question |
| 14:06.10 | sidjster | or are we supposed to guess |
| 14:06.23 | raf256 | !ask |
| 14:06.23 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:06.25 | kemp | well, I'm very new to linux and I just cant' get any sound out of it |
| 14:06.29 | apk | kemp: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils |
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| 14:06.46 | stew | kemp: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:06.47 | raf256 | kemp: after this apt-get install do alsacfg (or alsaconf was it?) as root |
| 14:06.50 | kemp | 2.6.18-kanotix-1 |
| 14:07.00 | stew | kemp: plesae ask in #kanotix |
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| 14:07.09 | kemp | I do have alsa... though not sure if I have the utils |
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| 14:07.37 | kemp | thanks :) |
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| 14:10.32 | sidjster | well he almost got sound the debian way |
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| 14:11.39 | qwertz | Hi, in 3.0 I could change the hostname with base-config but in 4.0 this is missing - so how can I set a new hostname in 4.0? |
| 14:11.48 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 14:11.48 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 14:12.17 | valdyn | qwertz: and you probably want /etc/mailname to fit too |
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| 14:13.13 | qwertz | valdyn, thanks had used hostname to set it but wasn't permanently, thanks for the hint with mailname |
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| 14:14.51 | GutterPunk | Hi, I have this issue with my package management system: whenever I try to install proftpd I get this: "Package proftpd has no available version, but exists in the database.This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded ..." I use debian woody. I also messed up the status file and removed the proftpd lines :/ Can someone provide me with those lines? :) |
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| 14:15.08 | creature | Is there a "Debian way" to stop the computer initialising networking (ie. running /etc/init.d/networking start) on boot or should I just delete the symlink from the relevant runlevel? |
| 14:15.40 | sep | creature, you just comment out the auti [interface] lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:17.17 | creature | OK. |
| 14:17.35 | creature | Also, on bootup the "cs" module takes a long time to initialise. Can I speed it up somehow? |
| 14:17.55 | abrotman | are you using pcmcia ? |
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| 14:19.27 | HardDisk_WP | how can I make a full ISO image (bootable!) from a CD? |
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| 14:20.12 | Pobega | HardDisk_WP: What do you mean? |
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| 14:20.22 | sep | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=./imagefile.iso |
| 14:20.24 | creature | abrotman: I do have a pcmcia slot. |
| 14:20.35 | creature | I wouldn't go as far as to say I'm using it, but I'd like it to be available to me. |
| 14:20.44 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: the cd is bootable? |
| 14:20.48 | HardDisk_WP | thx sep |
| 14:20.54 | sidjster | harddisk what os are yoiu using right now |
| 14:20.55 | HardDisk_WP | amphi, win2k setup cd |
| 14:20.57 | sidjster | right now |
| 14:21.00 | HardDisk_WP | sidjster, debian |
| 14:21.05 | amphi | HardDisk_WP: yeah, just dd it |
| 14:21.16 | sidjster | ok |
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| 14:21.33 | abrotman | creature: though .. i hvae it too and it doesn't take long |
| 14:21.49 | bwlang | how bad is this: pagebuf_get: failed to lookup pages ? |
| 14:22.58 | sep | evolution asks me for my gpg passprase on each mail i send. it used to be able to mark for "for this session" and it would not ask again until i restared evolution. how can i get back this for the session feature |
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| 14:23.19 | creature | abrotman: It seems to hang at the end of the process. |
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| 14:23.39 | abrotman | creature: try taking it out of the boot process and make sure that's actually the problem |
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| 14:24.02 | creature | abrotman: See http://www.ethicsgirls.com/stuff/dmesg.txt, at the end. It'll wait around for a while after the "cs" part before going on to the Bluetooth part. |
| 14:24.27 | sorl_ | how can i add a new ethernet interface in addition to entries in interfaces |
| 14:24.43 | abrotman | creature: i've never seen that on my box .. but i don't have bluetooth |
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| 14:25.42 | sorl_ | ifup eth1: SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 14:25.50 | sorl_ | so there is something i need to do.... |
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| 14:26.35 | sorl_ | i wonder if i dare to do /etc/init.d/networking restart from ssh |
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| 14:27.12 | sep | sorl_, ifconfig -a |
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| 14:27.36 | sep | sorl_, can you not just write another entry in the interfaces file |
| 14:27.39 | sorl_ | sep, well that just lists my interfaces... |
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| 14:27.54 | sorl_ | sep, i did put a new in there... |
| 14:28.07 | sep | ifconfig lists your detected interfaces. |
| 14:28.07 | creature | abrotman: OK. If I wanted to take it out of the boot process, how should I do that? Just delete the symlink from the relevant rc process, or is there a better way? |
| 14:28.16 | sep | ifup just configures trhe interface |
| 14:28.24 | sorl_ | sep yesh... |
| 14:28.34 | abrotman | creature: you can blacklist the bluetooth modules |
| 14:28.44 | sep | if you dont see the interface in ifconfig -a then you must load the kernel module |
| 14:28.44 | sorl_ | sep, well what i need to do is to bind more ips to the server basically |
| 14:29.00 | sep | sorl_, make alias ip's on the interface you have then |
| 14:29.07 | sorl_ | sep, ah |
| 14:29.12 | sorl_ | yes |
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| 14:29.30 | haggz | are sudden bizarre timestamp errors that fsck has to fix anything to worry about? my hdd was all of a sudden 47000 days since last check, then after reboot it was only 2600 days since last check. Last shutdown in this partition was normal. |
| 14:29.34 | sep | sorl_, make new sections in interfaces file called eth0:1 |
| 14:29.41 | sep | eth0:2 etc |
| 14:29.47 | sorl_ | sep and the same as ususal |
| 14:29.47 | sep | each with different adderss, |
| 14:29.50 | sorl_ | yes |
| 14:29.56 | sep | only have gateway on eth0 |
| 14:30.12 | sep | auto eth0:1 if you want it up on boot.. |
| 14:30.20 | sep | ifup eth0:1 to up it |
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| 14:30.27 | FJ_Sanchez | Hello |
| 14:30.58 | sorl_ | sep thanks |
| 14:30.59 | FJ_Sanchez | How can I get a prompt in tty1? |
| 14:31.13 | FJ_Sanchez | I don't know the syntax for inittab |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | what happened to the one that was alreayd there? |
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| 14:32.10 | FJ_Sanchez | Actually I've something like 1:12345:respawn:/bin/bash -login > /dev/tty1 2>&1 </dev/tty1 |
| 14:32.16 | FJ_Sanchez | So it's a root shell |
| 14:32.21 | FJ_Sanchez | I want to change this |
| 14:32.38 | abrotman | i'ts a root shell if root logs in |
| 14:32.45 | abrotman | and that's for runlevel 1 |
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| 14:33.03 | bwlang | how does one add a group to sudoers? can't see it as i'm glancing at the man page? |
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| 14:33.10 | FJ_Sanchez | I think it's for runlevel 1,2,3,4,5 isn't it? |
| 14:33.29 | FJ_Sanchez | The first number is the ID |
| 14:33.37 | sorl_ | sep, will for example shorewalll treat that alias with the same rules as eth0? |
| 14:33.51 | abrotman | FJ_Sanchez: who was messing wiht your inittab file ? |
| 14:34.03 | FJ_Sanchez | <id>:<runlevels>:<action>:<process> |
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| 14:34.24 | FJ_Sanchez | abrotman: it's the inittab from a LiveCD |
| 14:34.33 | abrotman | which LiveCD ? |
| 14:34.37 | FJ_Sanchez | Knoppix |
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| 14:34.55 | sep | sorl_, thats in the shorewall faq iirc |
| 14:35.13 | FJ_Sanchez | I only want to change the autologued in root shell for a login prompt |
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| 14:35.45 | FJ_Sanchez | If I coment these lines the ttys cannot be used |
| 14:35.50 | FJ_Sanchez | So it's not usesful |
| 14:36.07 | Renfield | Hello. |
| 14:36.23 | Renfield | I just did an apt-get upgrade, and am having problems. |
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| 14:36.52 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, the debian one say 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 if that fail ask in #knoppix or install debian :) |
| 14:37.35 | FJ_Sanchez | sep It's not for installing, it's for booting a lot of computers using rembo throught network |
| 14:37.41 | Renfield | With openbsd-inetd I get: Starting internet superserver: inetdinvoke-rc.d: initscript openbsd-inetd, action "start" failed. |
| 14:37.43 | FJ_Sanchez | I need autoconfig of the hardware |
| 14:37.47 | abrotman | FJ_Sanchez: great .. ask #knoppix |
| 14:37.51 | abrotman | or use the debian livecd |
| 14:37.53 | FJ_Sanchez | Thanks anyway |
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| 14:38.19 | Renfield | Apparently this failure cascades to make a bunch of other packages fail, and now I'm stuck. |
| 14:38.28 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, install debian etch , install the package ltsp-server-standalone, and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server |
| 14:38.49 | FJ_Sanchez | sep I don't want LTSP, I don't want an overheaded server |
| 14:38.56 | FJ_Sanchez | I want each PC compiling itself |
| 14:39.03 | FJ_Sanchez | It's for a university |
| 14:39.09 | Renfield | So what do I need to do to get openbsd-inetd to configure properly? |
| 14:39.11 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, ltsp5 muecow can be used for both |
| 14:39.26 | FJ_Sanchez | Mmm, interesting. I'll check this posibility |
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| 14:39.58 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, you first make the thinclient chroot, with ltsp-build-client, then make that intoa netboot comuter chroot with ltsp-make-client |
| 14:39.59 | sep | iirc |
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| 14:40.14 | spawn57 | hi, can anyone help me out with setting up user authentication in sarge? |
| 14:40.46 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.49 | raf256 | damn |
| 14:40.53 | stew | spawn57: authentication for what exactly? |
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| 14:41.27 | spawn57 | logins for now, nss and pam |
| 14:42.15 | stew | spawn57: what needs seting up? what is wrong with the default setup? |
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| 14:42.26 | sep | spawn57, there are numerous howtows on the net for this. in addition to the docs in /usr/share/doc/libnss-*/libpam-* |
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| 14:43.25 | spawn57 | well I followed a bunch of how tos, espeically the one at http://home.subnet.at/~max/ldap, but nss doesn't seem to find the user I added |
| 14:43.54 | spawn57 | i used md5 hashes instead of crypt though, another howto said that md5 works |
| 14:44.29 | apk | If I have a database server accepting connections only from 127.0.0.1, and another daemon connects to it on 127.0.0.1, is it possible for other non-root users to see that traffic? |
| 14:44.53 | spawn57 | I can't tell if nss is searching ldap whether slapd is being queried |
| 14:45.03 | biz | hi, i'm using postfix-tls on sarge (which is 2.1.5-9), however i need postfix 2.3 due to smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header which is within 2.3, which backport should i use? any experiences with the ones from backports.org? or is there another 'stable' backport of postfix 2.3 that is updated for every known security problem? any experiences? |
| 14:45.11 | stew | apk: no |
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| 14:45.58 | stew | biz: backports.org is almost definately the best bet for stable backports |
| 14:46.59 | biz | stew: thanks |
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| 14:48.37 | sep | biz, why do you need smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header, anyway |
| 14:49.02 | sep | the only reason to use that would be to harvest addresses or some seriously obscure internal servers |
| 14:49.20 | fireba11 | hm ... i need to extract a few numbers from a webpage on the shell ... i figured i can get it simply with curl, what do i use to extract the value i want ? |
| 14:49.42 | apk | sed and awk |
| 14:50.47 | spawn57 | argh, nss can't find ldap |
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| 14:53.30 | FJ_Sanchez | sep: I think LTSP muekow isn't ready for production |
| 14:53.38 | FJ_Sanchez | It's more like a proof of concept... |
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| 14:55.00 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, it's in production allready |
| 14:55.25 | sep | the ltsp packages in debian etch is of high quality. |
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| 14:55.57 | sep | but ltsp is not properly implement in any other distro except debian etch and ubuntu something |
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| 14:56.23 | FJ_Sanchez | ubuntu something? |
| 14:56.35 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, in the debian-edu etch cd ltsp5 works out of the box with http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LtspDisklessWorkstation you get netbooting pc's |
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| 14:57.12 | FJ_Sanchez | I'll read more |
| 14:57.34 | FJ_Sanchez | What I want is all bits executed by thinclients |
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| 14:58.18 | FJ_Sanchez | Actually the clients I've get throught the network the ISO, ramdisk and kernel, so it get executed just like a LiveCD |
| 14:58.34 | FJ_Sanchez | A remasterized LiveCD |
| 14:58.44 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 14:58.44 | dpkg | well, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 14:59.07 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, if you want to use knoppix ask in #knoppix. |
| 14:59.32 | FJ_Sanchez | I only want the best solution, I'm searching information |
| 14:59.48 | sep | we only use a hundred computers netbooting from ltsp toady so it's not a big production |
| 14:59.50 | FJ_Sanchez | Just now I was reading about ltsp5 as you tell me |
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| 15:00.48 | FJ_Sanchez | I think a hundred is a nice number. I'll be booting more or less double |
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| 15:01.02 | sep | FJ_Sanchez, well ltsp5 is release and production ready in etch |
| 15:01.03 | FJ_Sanchez | I'll have to chek this more quietly |
| 15:01.28 | Ankman | f*** X not coming up after update :-( |
| 15:01.54 | I-kido | Ankman kernel update? |
| 15:02.32 | Ankman | no |
| 15:02.51 | Ankman | system, Xorg also received a blow job, eh i mean update |
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| 15:03.06 | I-kido | lol |
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| 15:03.23 | I-kido | re-installing driver could help |
| 15:03.38 | I-kido | or try "vesa" as driver to test |
| 15:04.00 | Ankman | will try to generate a new Xorg.cong first |
| 15:04.02 | Ankman | ty |
| 15:04.08 | I-kido | yw |
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| 15:05.01 | earthian | hello, i need serious help. i did some partition removing in gparted and somehow one partition got damaged that is usually mounted at /home |
| 15:05.19 | earthian | fsck does not continue and tells me that something is wrong with superblocks |
| 15:05.26 | earthian | how do i fix that? :/ |
| 15:05.49 | Ankman | may be e2fsck -b 8193 /dev/what_ever |
| 15:06.00 | earthian | does not work either |
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| 15:06.28 | I-kido | also edited fstab? |
| 15:06.33 | earthian | yes. |
| 15:06.34 | Thms | can I convert my debian partition to a logical partition ? |
| 15:06.38 | earthian | the /home did not change |
| 15:06.52 | I-kido | hmm strange |
| 15:06.55 | earthian | i.e. the /deb/hda5 did not change. |
| 15:06.58 | earthian | dev* |
| 15:07.16 | sep | Thms, no, but you can clone (dd) or copy the contenst from a partition to a logical volume |
| 15:07.26 | earthian | i just removed /dev/hda2 /dev/hda3 /dev/hda4 and /dev/hda6 as an example |
| 15:07.39 | I-kido | yes |
| 15:08.04 | earthian | now i have only extended partition and a logical one on the disk... |
| 15:08.20 | earthian | and that logical seems to be broken :o |
| 15:08.21 | earthian | help |
| 15:08.25 | sep | earthian, was /dev/hda5 not a logical partition and did you not delete the extended partition ? |
| 15:08.32 | earthian | no |
| 15:08.43 | earthian | extended and logical still exist |
| 15:08.49 | Thms | sep: because I want to have a SWAP partition, debian partiton, XP partition, VISTA partition and backup partition but I can't create any other partition because there are too many primary partition how can I do ? |
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| 15:08.50 | GutterPunk | I would like to use software raid on a system. Is it possible to manage this during debian Etch install? |
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| 15:09.06 | sep | GutterPunk, yes |
| 15:09.10 | GutterPunk | Because I have no idea how to install debian first on a system, and later migrate this to raid... |
| 15:09.39 | Ankman | got it. x never comes up when i have an .xinitrc |
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| 15:09.44 | sep | Thms, you can play with gparted but ymmw |
| 15:09.45 | GutterPunk | sep, during install I just get 4 different disks to partition. I can do lvm, but this gives me no redundancy. I'd like to configure raid 5 |
| 15:09.49 | Ankman | after deleting it ti works |
| 15:09.56 | Thms | sep: ymmw ? |
| 15:10.02 | sep | GutterPunk, i have raid option in etch installer |
| 15:10.09 | sep | !ymmv |
| 15:10.10 | dpkg | ymmv is probably your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.], or http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/YMMV.html |
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| 15:10.27 | GutterPunk | sep, could you point me to a guide? Or should I use some boot parameter to activate it? |
| 15:10.28 | creature | For those of you keeping track: I now have a very pretty boot process. |
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| 15:11.04 | earthian | what tool can search and fix entire device for partitions and restore them all |
| 15:11.05 | earthian | ? |
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| 15:11.19 | earthian | and i have a raid0 which is /deb/mapper/raiddevetc |
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| 15:11.30 | earthian | dev* not deb damnit |
| 15:12.20 | I-kido | details creature :) |
| 15:12.33 | creature | I-kido: I may write up something simple about it. |
| 15:12.40 | I-kido | cool |
| 15:12.57 | creature | Basically, I have a grub splash image, used bootsplash to display a prettier boot image, and installed gdm. |
| 15:13.05 | abrotman | creature: what did you end up using? splashy ? |
| 15:13.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 15:14.08 | creature | http://www.bootsplash.de/files/themes/screenshots/Theme-SwirlPool-silent.png <-- Bootsplash screen. |
| 15:14.22 | creature | http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=37449&file1=37449-1.png&file2=&file3=&name=DEBIAN+splashscreen+blue+neon+logo+04 <-- Grub screen. |
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| 15:14.38 | abrotman | creature: does it have a verbose option ? |
| 15:14.52 | sep | GutterPunk, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ i guess |
| 15:15.02 | I-kido | looks nice creature |
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| 15:15.55 | creature | abrotman: Hit F2 and it goes all verbose. |
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| 15:16.37 | creature | abrotman: See http://www.bootsplash.de/files/themes/screenshots/Theme-SwirlPool-verbose-top.png |
| 15:16.49 | creature | I-kido: It's onlya 16 colour image, I wouldn't. |
| 15:17.02 | I-kido | arggg |
| 15:17.12 | Thms | can I install debian on logical space ? |
| 15:17.14 | abrotman | creature: is there a thing for creating your own ? |
| 15:17.17 | I-kido | I like shiny glassy pics :) |
| 15:17.27 | creature | It's fine for the 4 seconds or so it's on screen as a grub boot thing, but I wouldn't want it as a background. |
| 15:17.32 | creature | abrotman: For which tool? Bootsplash? |
| 15:17.49 | jetscreamer | Thms: if you mean lvm, yes... how, i dunno. |
| 15:18.25 | abrotman | creature: i guess |
| 15:18.29 | GutterPunk | sep, thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 15:19.36 | creature | abrotman: Well, if by "thing" then ish. AFAICT, you make a jpeg image or two and a config file which describes the image a bit. Which areas are writable, which bits are progress bars, and so on. |
| 15:19.55 | Flimzy | Doesn't apt-get have a module to allow for bittorrent? |
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| 15:20.36 | I-kido | Flimzy: module? |
| 15:20.48 | creature | abrotman: The most tricky bit was recompiling the kernel for it, but even that was just a case of doing apt-get install linux-patch-bootsplash and then adding "--added_packages=bootsplash" into the make-kpkg process. |
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| 15:21.22 | abrotman | creature: ick .. recompile .. no thanks |
| 15:21.41 | abrotman | creature: i'm entirely too lazy to go through that for what it does :) |
| 15:21.45 | Flimzy | I-kido: probably the wrong term. an extension? A package that adds the ability for a torrent source :) |
| 15:21.53 | abrotman | Flimzy: no |
| 15:22.09 | pzn_ | how can I check the differences between linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 and linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 debian packages? "-3" "-4" is the debian revision? |
| 15:22.13 | GutterPunk | sep, can't find anything about it anywhere :( |
| 15:22.57 | Flimzy | So if I want to fetch Debian updates via torrent... I'll have to set up my own local mirror that is somehow fed by a torrent, eh? |
| 15:23.00 | creature | abrotman: I would be too, normally, but as I explained yesterday the ladies love a pretty boot process. |
| 15:23.19 | creature | Also, I expect to be using my laptop in a roomful of Mac users soon, and I don't want them to point and laugh. |
| 15:23.19 | I-kido | jetscreamer: , do the extensions also work ? |
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| 15:23.57 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 15:24.03 | jetscreamer | i don't have any that i know of |
| 15:24.23 | I-kido | jetscreamer: i can upload mine :) |
| 15:24.39 | jetscreamer | my extension window is empty so i guess i don't have any |
| 15:24.51 | I-kido | pdf download, adblock, tabpreferences |
| 15:24.55 | Nyle | !downgrade |
| 15:24.55 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:24.58 | I-kido | thats what I have |
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| 15:25.32 | dejand_ | jo, how do i find out wlan driver? |
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| 15:26.16 | Flimzy | There is a tool called apt-torrent |
| 15:26.28 | I-kido | !wlan |
| 15:26.28 | dpkg | somebody said wlan was Wireless LAN, or see wlan-ng |
| 15:27.04 | dejand_ | ? bg |
| 15:27.07 | dejand_ | ng? |
| 15:27.07 | chance2105 | XFCE in Etch seems to take a lot of resources on my box with modest RAM; right now I'm pretty extended out into swap. Gnome seems to not have this problem. The xfdesktop process in top shows VIRT 190m, RES 93m, and xfce4-menu-plug shows VIRT 177m and RES 92m. |
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| 15:28.30 | valdyn | chance2105: what do these processes use when you restart them? |
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| 15:31.00 | Thms | can I install debian on a already created EXT3 and SWAP partition ? |
| 15:31.02 | chance2105 | valdyn: I'm not sure. I just have so far noticed that after about two days of running xfce, I'm extended deeply into swap. When I first started looking yesterday, they were about 50m RES. |
| 15:31.06 | tuv | chance2105, kill xfdesktop |
| 15:31.27 | tuv | chance2105, it's known to have a memory leak |
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| 15:31.40 | valdyn | chance2105: report a bug that its leaking memory, look for existing bug reports about just that first |
| 15:32.15 | tuv | valdyn, it's a known bug upstream |
| 15:32.35 | valdyn | tuv: then it should be in the debian bts too |
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| 15:34.05 | tuv | Thms, sure |
| 15:34.33 | Thms | so I can install debian on a extended partition in a logicall EXT3 and logical SWAP ? |
| 15:34.35 | chance2105 | valdyn: Alright. I suppose I'll blow out all of my xfce configs in my home directory (again) to take any riff-raff out, and then watch it for a proper submission. |
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| 15:34.56 | chance2105 | But boy, that sucks. That kinda defeats the purpose of XFCE. It'd suck to have a whole Debian release with a heavily leaky XFCE. |
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| 15:35.26 | tuv | valdyn, chance2105: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=376177 |
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| 15:35.59 | valdyn | chance2105: debian cant release with rc bugs. This may qualify |
| 15:36.12 | tuv | chance2105, i run xfce without xfdesktop, and removed the xfce menu icon on the panel, and it's working fine ever since |
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| 15:36.19 | undesktop | using "apt-cache search", how do I search for several keywords? so that both keywords must be included int eh result |
| 15:36.24 | valdyn | 'important' |
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| 15:36.52 | vick | Can i download winapi on debian ? |
| 15:37.24 | Harzilein | tuv: well, running xfce without xfdesktop is more like "running xfwm, xfpanel and xfsession", not "running xfce" |
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| 15:37.36 | creature | undesktop: There may be a better way, but I often search for a word and pipe the results to grep to filter it down a bit more specifically. |
| 15:37.49 | undesktop | creature: yeah, it's also what I do |
| 15:38.07 | tuv | Harzilein, it's not that essential.. you'll lose the menu-on-desktop-right-click, and the icons on the desktop. that's all |
| 15:38.13 | creature | You may be able to fake it. |
| 15:38.29 | chance2105 | tuv: valdyn: thanks |
| 15:38.38 | creature | Pipe the output from several keywords to a file, then sort and uniq the file, and then scrutinise the file... |
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| 15:39.51 | undesktop | creature: "apt-cache search" accepts regular expressions... so it must be possible to require several keywords to match |
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| 15:41.12 | Landrew | <vick> Can i download winapi on debian ? ? |
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| 15:42.09 | Landrew | in general, that sounds scary spud |
| 15:42.20 | zeeble | heyas. is there a beta/alpha debian netinstall iso, that incorporates the graphical/gtk based installer? or do i have to download one of the etch images? |
| 15:42.35 | Landrew | WinMain Wine are some approaches |
| 15:42.48 | undesktop | creature: OH! dumb dumb me... apt-cache search can take several regex als arguments, and will AND them together |
| 15:42.56 | undesktop | s/als/as |
| 15:43.10 | undesktop | always thought it would OR them... |
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| 15:43.27 | Roey | hi. Why is my jed editor all of a sudden showing tabs as ^I's ? |
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| 15:43.32 | creature | undesktop: I though you were asking how to or them... |
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| 15:43.53 | [baton] | Hello, where can I find weekly cd builds? |
| 15:44.10 | undesktop | creature: hum... ORing them is easy... apt-cache search "foo1|foo2" |
| 15:44.21 | [baton] | all folders cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ are clean |
| 15:44.22 | undesktop | creature: where the quotes are important, else bash will itnerpret them as pipes |
| 15:44.49 | abrotman | [baton]: they might be preparing for RC2 .. try a daily |
| 15:44.51 | Harzilein | but you can save a char with \ ;P |
| 15:45.07 | [baton] | abrotman, ok |
| 15:45.08 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20070220-1/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:46.56 | BACbKA | i need help troubleshooting a local udev rule. i'm mapping a non-partitioned usb-storage device. Right now it's recognized as /dev/sdb and I used udevinfo -a -p /block/sdb to find that it has KERNEL=="sdb" and ATTR{removable}=="1", whereas the parent has SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", DRIVERS=="sd", and ATTRS{vendor}=="iRex ". I tried to add these to a line in /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules, but it doesn't seem to work: |
| 15:47.54 | jetscreamer | edit the existing |
| 15:47.56 | BACbKA | SUBSYSTEM=="block", ATTR{removable}=="1", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", DRIVERS=="sd", ATTRS{vendor}=="iRex *", SYMLINK+="iliad", GROUP="iliad" is what I added. I know the file in general does work as the previous line KERNEL=="ttyS0", SYMLINK+="pilot" does create a symlink /dev/pilot -> /dev/ttyS0 for my palmpilot |
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| 15:48.46 | jetscreamer | /etc/udev/udev.rules |
| 15:48.53 | jetscreamer | or is that bad form |
| 15:49.01 | BACbKA | if you have the rules.d it is |
| 15:49.06 | jetscreamer | udev is a mystery to me |
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| 15:49.17 | jetscreamer | i edited that once though and it worked |
| 15:49.43 | BACbKA | jetscreamer i thought it is pretty straightforward given the excellent udevinfo tool. However right now I am kinda stuck which is why I am asking for help |
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| 15:50.39 | jetscreamer | i just kinda put up with udev, i had a very bad experience with it when it first his sid/etch |
| 15:50.46 | jetscreamer | s/his/hit/ |
| 15:51.02 | BACbKA | jetscreamer, yeah, it was really bad back then, broke a lot of things |
| 15:51.18 | BACbKA | jetscreamer, but this is what the testing is about |
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| 15:51.42 | earthian | hello, how do i search and recover and fix a partition's superblock. OR how do i create one? |
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| 15:52.05 | DocPlatypus | is it normal for my drive to go into a wedged state if it does not support burning video CDs? |
| 15:52.12 | undesktop | creating a superblock would mean to reformat a partition |
| 15:52.31 | DocPlatypus | better yet... |
| 15:52.32 | jetscreamer | no i believe there is a method to rebuild them, but i know nothing about it |
| 15:52.42 | jetscreamer | there are also backup superblocks |
| 15:52.44 | BACbKA | earthian: if you have an error during mount about missing superblock it most likely means you're mounting a wrong device or using the wrong partition type |
| 15:52.44 | DocPlatypus | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.49 | jetscreamer | but that's about all i know on that also |
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| 15:53.20 | earthian | BACbKA, i am trying to mount my entire /home partition :/ |
| 15:53.32 | earthian | which i am sure i have and it is ext |
| 15:53.35 | BACbKA | earthian go check whether your fstab got garble |
| 15:53.36 | earthian | which i am sure i have and it is ext3 |
| 15:53.57 | BACbKA | earthian you do have backup don't you |
| 15:54.27 | BACbKA | earthian anything possible to recover from the backup superblocks will be recovered during fsck |
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| 15:54.44 | BACbKA | earthian ext[23] normally stores the superblock in multiple places |
| 15:55.35 | abrotman | earthian: gpart |
| 15:55.36 | earthian | BACbKA, fsck does not continue |
| 15:55.41 | earthian | and i dont know what to do |
| 15:56.01 | abrotman | though Ryushin never said how his turned out |
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| 15:56.19 | dimir | earthian: umount /home; fsck /dev/hdXY |
| 15:57.09 | DocPlatypus | okay, are you guys laughing so hard that I'm still using a CD burner to try to answer? |
| 15:57.19 | earthian | dimir, it is not mounted.. and mount /dev/mapper/raiddev /home tells me that there is wrong fs or so |
| 15:57.38 | valdyn | DocPlatypus: it can burn video cds |
| 15:58.16 | DocPlatypus | valdyn: okay then, so I'm dealing with a software issue then |
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| 15:58.32 | valdyn | !ask |
| 15:58.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:58.44 | BACbKA | docplatypus I am not laughing. I also only own CD/CD burners, not having a DVD tech in-house out of ideological reasons |
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| 15:59.30 | DocPlatypus | BACbKA: not that I can blame you there |
| 15:59.52 | DocPlatypus | I will probably get one of the new HD media but will not buy the movies released in those formats |
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| 16:00.25 | DocPlatypus | I reconcile having a Blu-Ray burner as a "necessary evil" to back up more than 4.3/8.5 gigs of data at a time |
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| 16:00.58 | DocPlatypus | anyway |
| 16:01.31 | DocPlatypus | $ cdrdao write --device ATA:1,0,0 --speed 4 vcd.toc # this is the command line I'm using |
| 16:01.40 | DocPlatypus | err |
| 16:01.40 | DocPlatypus | actually |
| 16:01.41 | jetscreamer | just buy another hd |
| 16:01.44 | DocPlatypus | s/ATA:1/0/ |
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| 16:02.00 | DocPlatypus | jetscreamer: I don't like using hard drives as a backup medium |
| 16:02.14 | jetscreamer | jsut a thought |
| 16:02.43 | DocPlatypus | I might consider 16GB CF cards as a stopgap if the need is pressing |
| 16:03.43 | creature | I back up onto DVD regularly. |
| 16:03.53 | creature | And keep important stuff mirrored onto my laptop. |
| 16:04.08 | creature | At some point I'll build a shuttle PC with a RAID array, or something, and use it as NAS. |
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| 16:04.31 | DocPlatypus | currently for the most important few hundred megs of stuff I'm using a USB pen drive and regular rsync to local hard disk and two off-site locations |
| 16:05.25 | creature | But I can't really justify the cost of it. |
| 16:06.06 | abrotman | creature: they make those cheap buffalo boxen |
| 16:06.36 | DocPlatypus | so anyway burning video CD results in an eventual kernel oops when I try to regain normal use of my burner |
| 16:06.45 | pickcoder | gah.. I sure hope the past 2 days aren't a precursor to my vacation week |
| 16:06.49 | DocPlatypus | and at one point I managed to wedge things so bad I lost my entire USB bus |
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| 16:07.33 | creature | abrotman: Buffalo boxen? |
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| 16:08.03 | creature | abrotman: Anyway, I suspect even that would be too pricey for me now. My goal at the moment is to remove myself from my student debt. |
| 16:08.15 | creature | A project I may hamper myself with if I give into the temptation to buy an ipod. |
| 16:08.27 | pickcoder | heh.. I'm still paying on mine... 25-year plan |
| 16:08.29 | abrotman | creature: get used to it |
| 16:08.44 | pickcoder | nice tax deduction tho |
| 16:09.06 | Solak | hmmm, I get three errors at 'make xconfig', and I have no idea what's missing... |
| 16:09.06 | abrotman | creature: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2050240124+50001646&Submit=ENE&Subcategory=124&Manufactory=1646&Description=buffalo&Ntk=all |
| 16:09.11 | abrotman | pickcoder: if you can get it .. |
| 16:09.11 | Solak | scripts/kconfig/qconf.h:25: error: extra qualification 'ConfigSettings::' on member 'readSizes' |
| 16:09.18 | Solak | is one of the errors. |
| 16:09.22 | abrotman | Solak: so do a make menuconfig |
| 16:09.33 | creature | In this country, they just steal it from your pay, kind of as a graduate tax. |
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| 16:10.04 | abrotman | wtf country is that ? |
| 16:10.09 | creature | abrotman: OK, those things are kind of cool. |
| 16:10.11 | creature | The UK. |
| 16:10.15 | abrotman | bastards! |
| 16:10.27 | Solak | abrotman: I'd rather use xconfig because I'm used to it... |
| 16:10.30 | abrotman | my loans are 1/3 of when i graduated .. which is pretty good |
| 16:10.37 | abrotman | Solak: good for you .. time to get used to menuconfig :) |
| 16:10.41 | creature | You don't pay it until you start earning something like > £16K, and if you stop earning you stop paying. |
| 16:10.41 | Solak | abrotman: and I hate errors I can't explain... |
| 16:10.57 | creature | And if you hit 60 and still don't manage to pay it off, it gets written off. And it's pegged to the rate of inflation. |
| 16:10.57 | abrotman | Solak: you'd need to ask ##kernel ... |
| 16:10.59 | Solak | abrotman: certainly because it worked on stable :-) |
| 16:11.10 | creature | abrotman: So it's not perfect, but it's OK. |
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| 16:12.06 | creature | As for the backup, we had a 1Tb USB drive in the office the other day. That was kind of neat. |
| 16:12.09 | pickcoder | atleast you don't have to worry about your credit status dropping b/c you're late paying |
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| 16:12.48 | tarzeau | damn i can't how to read the status register 3 of the floppy controller. any help? |
| 16:13.47 | creature | pickcoder: But on the other hand, you don't get any credit for paying it on time. |
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| 16:14.38 | raf256 | will debian stable work well with hand builded 2.6.19.3 kernel? and with udev? |
| 16:14.38 | pickcoder | tarzeau: which specific register is "3" |
| 16:15.08 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i'm trying to cehck drive status |
| 16:15.13 | h3sp4wn | raf256: You would need a newer version of udev |
| 16:15.14 | jelly | raf256: Debian generally works well with vanilla kernels. |
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| 16:15.37 | raf256 | h3sp4wn: how to get it on stable? |
| 16:15.43 | jelly | raf256: I'm running 2.6.19.2-grsec on sarge, with static /dev though |
| 16:15.51 | h3sp4wn | raf256: backports.org |
| 16:15.52 | tarzeau | pickcoder: that's done over 0x3f5 via write and reads |
| 16:16.08 | raf256 | jelly: figured out how to setup rbac? |
| 16:16.13 | pickcoder | 3f4 is the status reg |
| 16:16.17 | abrotman | backports.org |
| 16:16.18 | jelly | raf256: no rbac for now |
| 16:16.25 | raf256 | jelly: heh same here |
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| 16:16.31 | tarzeau | pickcoder: i can check the main status register on 3f4, and turning motor on/off is easy too via 3f2 |
| 16:16.41 | raf256 | jelly: I once patched gradm to allow weak rules, I find that very usable for learning |
| 16:16.47 | tarzeau | pickcoder: that's the main status register yes |
| 16:16.55 | jelly | raf256: the rest is easy enough and a good measure of added protection ;-) |
| 16:17.17 | tarzeau | pickcoder: but i want to use the control command "check drive status" |
| 16:17.20 | tarzeau | pickcoder: according to http://www.isdaman.com/alsos/hardware/fdc/floppy.htm |
| 16:17.34 | raf256 | jelly: damn I must force self to learn RBAC... why not gather few ppl on weekend and try togeather? |
| 16:17.37 | jelly | creature: Fedora Core has selinux with rules running by default I think |
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| 16:18.06 | znh | what is selinux? second edition :P? |
| 16:18.32 | tarzeau | znh: security enhanced? |
| 16:18.32 | jetscreamer | security |
| 16:18.41 | znh | oh :-) |
| 16:18.49 | jetscreamer | think 'if you misconfigure it you're fucked' |
| 16:19.00 | tarzeau | znh: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ |
| 16:19.04 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 16:19.05 | dpkg | i heard selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
| 16:19.27 | znh | nah. if you fucked, then your misconfigured |
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| 16:19.40 | jelly | znh: a set of security enhancements in kernel and glibc providing rule-based access among other things |
| 16:20.03 | tarzeau | pickcoder: got any hints? i can't believe it's not possible to find out by software if there really is a floppy device attached or not |
| 16:20.14 | znh | jelly, sounds good |
| 16:21.00 | GutterPunk | When you configure your devices for raid during install, how does one go about this? For example, I'd like to have 3 partitions, one /, one /storage (for backup purposes) and one swap. Do I create 3 partitions on all devices (exactly the same) and use software raid for all 3? Or do I configure the root and swap partition on one device and create an md device with what's left over? |
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| 16:21.27 | raf256 | how to increase default font size in xterm |
| 16:21.38 | tarzeau | raf256: ctrl+rmb |
| 16:21.49 | tarzeau | raf256: see, that's why i love terminal.app |
| 16:21.57 | znh | raf256, decreasing distance to the screen also helps |
| 16:22.17 | justin | GutterPunk: usually, 3 raid partitions |
| 16:22.27 | jelly | znh: also check Grsecurity, which has a comparable feature set. Redhat and selinux are very close so there's better support for it in glibc, it's also enabled by default in Fedora. You can also enable it in recent Redhat releases |
| 16:22.33 | justin | GutterPunk: but you may want to make 1 raid for / and another raid for lvm |
| 16:22.36 | jetscreamer | ooo ctrl+rmb on xterm |
| 16:23.07 | znh | jelly, are ordinary users recommended to install and configure selinux? |
| 16:23.17 | jetscreamer | ooo mmb too |
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| 16:23.19 | GutterPunk | justin, so creating 3 md devices, one for /, one for swap and one for storage is a clean layout? |
| 16:23.19 | jelly | znh: don't think so |
| 16:23.25 | jetscreamer | shit i didn't know it did that |
| 16:23.33 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: and lmb :) |
| 16:23.40 | jetscreamer | yeh i was about to say |
| 16:23.53 | jelly | znh: I'd install Fedora Core if I wanted to play with it, there's already good integration w/ selinux in it |
| 16:23.53 | justin | GutterPunk: yeah |
| 16:24.04 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: since how many years do you use xterm? |
| 16:24.13 | GutterPunk | justin, thanks man |
| 16:24.30 | bwlang | GutterPunk: consider putting swap in a file on an md... it's a bit simpler |
| 16:24.39 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: i usually used gnome-terminal :/ |
| 16:24.44 | sohmestra | doing a: tcpdump 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn & tcp-ack) != 0 and host 192.168.11.100' should get me the 2nd packet of any tcp connection involving the specified host, correct? |
| 16:24.45 | tarzeau | jetscreamer: yuck :) |
| 16:24.54 | justin | GutterPunk: definitely look at lvm though |
| 16:25.01 | znh | jelly, I should investigate what this is. thank you for the summary |
| 16:25.05 | bwlang | GutterPunk: i also put /var in it's own md (especially for a system that handles mail) |
| 16:25.07 | jetscreamer | tarzeau: the fonts were too small in xterm :/ |
| 16:25.29 | GutterPunk | justin, why would I want lvm if I have raid? Other then adding extra drives later on? |
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| 16:25.52 | sohmestra | GutterPunk: you can resize LVM partitions, move them, etc. |
| 16:25.54 | jelly | znh: for now, we use Grsecurity which require little changes to the OS (basically, rebuilding the kernel) but provides some nice security enhancements. It's very useful in multiuser environment (think shared web hosting) |
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| 16:26.04 | GutterPunk | bwlang, so it's best to configure a swap file on the / md? |
| 16:26.05 | bwlang | GutterPunk: I second the LVM recommendation... it's valuable because sometimes you don't know ahead of time which partitions will use what space |
| 16:26.08 | justin | GutterPunk: if one huge storage partition is fine, you don't need lvm |
| 16:26.18 | bwlang | GutterPunk: dunno about best... but it's simple |
| 16:26.21 | sohmestra | GutterPunk: do lvm snapshots when backing up, and more. |
| 16:26.22 | GutterPunk | Well I need all the space for storage |
| 16:26.41 | GutterPunk | but I'd like to seperate it from the / device... don't know whatfor really... |
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| 16:27.19 | bwlang | GutterPunk: it's about the distribution of space... lets say you allocate 6G to / and 80G to /home... but later you find out that you need another gig in / - with lvm it's easy to just leave some space unallocated and put it where it's needed |
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| 16:27.29 | creature | I don't trust lvm any more. |
| 16:27.38 | creature | Definitely not on a non-RAID system. |
| 16:27.44 | bwlang | jelly: it's stable - i've run it for years with no trouble |
| 16:27.56 | creature | If you use it to span multiple drives on a non-raid system, and one of your disks fails, you lose everything. |
| 16:28.02 | jelly | bwlang: I've run reiserfs v3 for years with no trouble! :-) |
| 16:28.09 | justin | creature: that is basically raid 0 |
| 16:28.12 | valdyn | creature: who on his right mind would do that? |
| 16:28.14 | creature | Which doesn't mean it's useless, just not suitable to my current system. |
| 16:28.20 | GutterPunk | bwlang, so I create 2 md devices, make them both part of lvm, and then create a / and a /storage in this lvm? |
| 16:28.28 | valdyn | creature: just because lvm _can_ do that, doesn't mean anyone should |
| 16:28.34 | bwlang | jelly: i used to run reiserfs... but it ate my data once... now i use xfs mostly |
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| 16:28.46 | justin | GutterPunk: no, create 1 md device for /, create another md device for lvm |
| 16:28.50 | jelly | bwlang: how does xfs fare with power loss? |
| 16:28.56 | mindframe | anyone have some recommended memory / bandwidth tweaks for iceweasel? |
| 16:28.56 | rahul | jelly: well. |
| 16:29.04 | GutterPunk | justin, ah I see |
| 16:29.05 | jetscreamer | xfs has a grub problem when grub is on the xfs partitionbtw |
| 16:29.06 | rahul | jelly: even better now that it did before |
| 16:29.15 | jetscreamer | jelly it works great if you have a ups i hear |
| 16:29.17 | valdyn | jelly: all fs but ext3 in ordered data mode may fuck your data on power loss |
| 16:29.19 | stew | i was happy i was using lvm when my hard drive started failing, and I could replace it very quickly using pvmove |
| 16:29.22 | rahul | xfs is not a PC filesystem, so you can't put a bootloader in the superblock |
| 16:29.37 | bwlang | GutterPunk: if you're going to use lvm then you'll probably want just one partition for lv physical volumne and lv's for / /home (and maybe /var) |
| 16:29.47 | rahul | valdyn: xfs recently added a write barrier |
| 16:29.55 | justin | putting / in lvm is tricky |
| 16:29.59 | bwlang | rahul: false... i boot xfs all the time. |
| 16:29.59 | jelly | valdyn: I'm more worried about metadata and losing files which weren't written to at the time of outage |
| 16:30.01 | rahul | waits for data to be written before it returns |
| 16:30.08 | justin | much easier to just make a 5G / and keep it simple |
| 16:30.08 | bwlang | justin: not with the new installers... they do it for you |
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| 16:30.20 | rahul | bwlang: with a bootloader in the superblock of xfs partition? |
| 16:30.25 | stew | justin: not really tricky, you just have to use an initrd |
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| 16:30.39 | bwlang | rahul: false again - xfs can be configured to write quickly (i use it on my laptop) |
| 16:30.47 | justin | stew: yes, until something goes wrong, and you have to figure out how to boot from it |
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| 16:31.05 | valdyn | jelly: that's beyond what a fs can do ( unless you seriously fuck performance ) |
| 16:31.07 | rahul | jelly: there's a whole section of the FAQ addressing varying options for that |
| 16:31.08 | bwlang | rahul: i use xfs with grub.... no problems |
| 16:31.15 | rahul | bwlang: you need to learn how to read. |
| 16:31.18 | mindframe | how do i access iceweasel's config? |
| 16:31.28 | jetscreamer | mindframe: about:config |
| 16:31.29 | rahul | bwlang: I use xfs with grub, too. |
| 16:31.31 | nocti | hello, what pkg do i need to have X sources for sarge? so i can compile mplayer with gui option. thanks. |
| 16:31.32 | jetscreamer | in the addy bar |
| 16:31.41 | rahul | bwlang: that doesn't mean I have grub in the xfs superblock. |
| 16:31.45 | rahul | bwlang: do you? |
| 16:32.25 | jetscreamer | !start an fs war |
| 16:32.25 | dpkg | UDF uses too much overhead! |
| 16:32.28 | bwlang | jelly: no problems with power loss... you will get some corrupted files but it's obvious which ones fail. |
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| 16:32.50 | rahul | you don't need to get corrupted files... |
| 16:32.53 | rahul | it's in the FAQ. |
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| 16:33.02 | jelly | bwlang: that's acceptable... and unavoidable probably |
| 16:33.09 | bwlang | rahul: i use the mbr, not the superblock |
| 16:33.09 | stew | nocti: http://packages.debian.org/src:mplayer will tell you the build-deps |
| 16:33.20 | nocti | thanks stew |
| 16:33.23 | rahul | bwlang: so what exactly did I say that you are disagreeing with? |
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| 16:33.48 | stew | nocti: though, id recommend looking for a backport on bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:33.54 | bwlang | jelly: yeah - if it's in the middle of a write you don't get a junk write - you just get a file fulls of <null> |
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| 16:33.58 | valdyn | rahul: fs can only cover what harddisk supports. If it some ugly gradual power loss your disk writes to adjacent sectors, there's nothing any of the standard fs can do |
| 16:34.17 | valdyn | rahul: not sure how likely that is.. |
| 16:34.18 | rahul | valdyn: well, that's hardware failure, yeah |
| 16:34.28 | valdyn | rahul: yep |
| 16:34.36 | nocti | stew, ah yes backports how did i ever forget that. thanks! |
| 16:34.38 | rahul | jelly: or you don't get nulls if you enable the feature that prevents it |
| 16:34.47 | stew | nocti: i'm not sure if they have one, otherwise, /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:34.50 | GutterPunk | justin, bwlang but is there any point to using lvm on an md that will only be used for one specific logical volume? namely /storage.... I don't need var or anything on it |
| 16:34.58 | nocti | ok thanks stew |
| 16:35.10 | GutterPunk | thus actually creating only one partition on the lvm |
| 16:35.19 | stew | nocti: mplayer was only recently added to debian, there might not be a backports |
| 16:35.23 | stew | s/s$// |
| 16:35.32 | nocti | oh |
| 16:35.33 | nocti | ok |
| 16:35.37 | bwlang | rahul: i read your superblock comment as a boot issue - classic fud re: xfs. if you use grub why would you want to mess with a superblock? |
| 16:35.39 | justin | GutterPunk: in that case, no |
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| 16:36.09 | rahul | bwlang: 11:29 < jetscreamer> xfs has a grub problem when grub is on the xfs partitionbtw |
| 16:36.13 | rahul | bwlang: learn how to read. |
| 16:36.13 | abrotman | !wb stew |
| 16:36.14 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! stew has returned! |
| 16:36.17 | harddisk_wp | hello |
| 16:36.28 | harddisk_wp | could anyone please traceroute velirat.de? |
| 16:36.40 | harddisk_wp | it's my bnc, and I can't connect to it |
| 16:36.46 | bwlang | GutterPunk: lvm gives you flexibility at the expense of complexity... if you don't need the flexibility then you don't need lvm |
| 16:36.52 | justin | harddisk_wp: google.com/search?q=traceroute |
| 16:36.58 | RvGaTe | Hi, i was trying to customize my login, and noticed that i could use sounds \o/, so i downloaded some sounds, put them in /usr/share/sounds/system/login_[fail/success/ready].wav... i configured my login screen to use these sounds, but whener the login is ready, success or failed, i get this anoying system *beep*... meaning that the login sounds are not working... any ideas? (debian etch) |
| 16:36.59 | stew | abrotman: HI |
| 16:37.07 | GutterPunk | alright |
| 16:37.08 | abrotman | HI STEW! |
| 16:37.09 | jelly | harddisk_wp: stops at static-ip-62-75-135-126.inaddr.intergenia.de |
| 16:37.13 | GutterPunk | you have been a great help |
| 16:37.14 | rahul | bwlang: now do you have any other misreadings of what I said to disagree with? |
| 16:37.31 | jetscreamer | !greet abrotman & stew |
| 16:37.31 | dpkg | Hello, abrotman & stew |
| 16:37.33 | harddisk_wp | jelly, ok, thanks...that is the same I see. It seems my provider has problems |
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| 16:38.35 | bwlang | rahul: you state that xfs waits to write data, that's false it can be configured to sync very quickly |
| 16:38.53 | rahul | bwlang: uh, I said the opposite, actually |
| 16:39.08 | rahul | by default it writes quickly (actually waits) |
| 16:39.13 | rahul | (in recent kernels) |
| 16:39.33 | rahul | so I guess that was a yes. you do have misreadings of what I said to disagree with. |
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| 16:40.15 | rahul | "Barrier support will flush the write back cache at the appropriate times (such as on XFS log writes)." |
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| 16:41.41 | bwlang | rahul: sounds like we both think xfs is a usable filesystem ... lets just leave it there. i'm sorry for any offense |
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| 16:42.13 | rahul | (yeah, I've been using XFS since 2.5.59) anyway, let's move on :) |
| 16:42.30 | RvGaTe | anyone ? :( |
| 16:43.05 | Nyle | I can't figure out apache2 |
| 16:43.06 | rahul | RvGaTe: have you considered looking at logs for whatever program you're using to log in? |
| 16:43.09 | mindframe | is there an iceweasel config somewhere that i could add lines like this? : user_pref("network.http.max-connections", 48); |
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| 16:43.18 | RvGaTe | rahul, gdm |
| 16:43.22 | rahul | ... |
| 16:43.24 | Nyle | I stick with how I have it setup already |
| 16:43.31 | stew | mindframe: you can set that in "about:config" |
| 16:43.32 | rahul | RvGaTe: that's not what I asked |
| 16:43.39 | Nyle | Apache 1.3 and php5 |
| 16:43.47 | Nyle | and mysql too, I'm a happy camper |
| 16:43.47 | stew | Krazy-J: please disable that in here |
| 16:43.58 | Nyle | stew: hows it going? |
| 16:44.09 | stew | Nyle: soso |
| 16:44.23 | Nyle | stew, ahh well get something fun going on then |
| 16:44.32 | RvGaTe | rahul, checking logs now, cant see anything suspicius |
| 16:44.33 | Nyle | I'm about to =D |
| 16:46.33 | k31th | uh guys if i install a deb and it fails due to deps. |
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| 16:46.49 | k31th | then i can run a command in apt after and it will grab all the deps it needs? |
| 16:46.51 | Nyle | whats so special about apache 2? I can't find a reason to switch, but eveyone tells me to. I looked up online how they are different, per the new features list in apache 2.0 on apache.org but still I am unable to tell. |
| 16:46.59 | stew | k31th: apt-get -f install |
| 16:47.13 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 16:47.13 | dpkg | it has been said that fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
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| 16:47.26 | jetscreamer | for when apt-get -f or aptitude crap out |
| 16:47.32 | sidjster | what application is good for making flyers? |
| 16:47.40 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 16:47.41 | jetscreamer | and sometimes they will, but that will work |
| 16:47.52 | jelly | Nyle: 1.3 is old and mostly unmaintainer |
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| 16:48.05 | jetscreamer | sidjster: latex.... |
| 16:48.10 | jetscreamer | j/k, but it is. |
| 16:48.11 | jelly | Nyle: they only fix the security bugs |
| 16:48.26 | sidjster | ty |
| 16:48.38 | Nyle | jelly: so its pretty stable, it means. |
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| 16:48.44 | k31th | seems to be working except it states its going to remove the dpkg that had dep issues iguess ill install it when its finnished |
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| 16:48.45 | jetscreamer | sidjster: you don't really want to use latex ... but you could |
| 16:49.05 | defcon8 | does anyone know of a server side ssh browser client? |
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| 16:49.14 | jelly | Nyle: that is one way to look at it, but it's a matter of time until the support is dropped |
| 16:49.18 | k31th | defcon8: there is a java one. |
| 16:49.19 | karmatronic | defcon8: mindterm |
| 16:49.25 | earthian | is it possible that the superblock and all backup superblock got corruped in a ext3 fs ? |
| 16:49.26 | defcon8 | karmatronic, thank you |
| 16:49.40 | jetscreamer | sidjster: maybe openoffice.org or abiword or something, but i don't really know... koffice... |
| 16:49.54 | Nyle | well |
| 16:50.08 | Nyle | jelly: if it works then don't fuck with it, unless you have to. I'll stick with 1.3 for now then |
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| 16:50.34 | jetscreamer | earthian: did you try to fsck it? |
| 16:50.40 | earthian | yes |
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| 16:50.54 | earthian | and all superblocks from mke2fs -n |
| 16:51.06 | ranpha | what is the command to see resources (CPU %, memory etc) in command line? |
| 16:51.14 | citral | top |
| 16:51.18 | stew | ranpha: vmstat |
| 16:51.23 | ranpha | thanks |
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| 16:52.56 | raf256 | tarzeau: how to increase it by default |
| 16:53.09 | raf256 | or which application simmilar will allow that |
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| 16:55.15 | apk | ranpha: check out htop |
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| 16:56.23 | jelly | Nyle: Oh, I have some 200 machines to upgrade to etch, so I'll definitely fuck with it. Better now than when 1.3 is dropped upstream... and apache 2 has been available long enough that I consider it stable too |
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| 16:59.21 | enouf | earthian: only thing .. see if you can get anything useful from dumpe2fs .. try the -h option for summary info |
| 16:59.41 | enouf | earthian: then fiddle with tht other options |
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| 17:00.20 | earthian | well.. i know the block size which is 4096 ... i have a 450GB partition there |
| 17:00.39 | enouf | that's nice |
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| 17:00.53 | harddisk_wp | Can I use Windows drivers (for a scanner/printer) under Debian? (such as NDISWRAPPER does with LAN cards)?? |
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| 17:01.07 | Flimzy | harddisk_wp: I've never heard of that... so i dont' think so. |
| 17:01.18 | earthian | something went very wrong with superblocks... and i do not imagine what i can do... now reading google |
| 17:01.22 | Flimzy | harddisk_wp: Have you checked SANE? It supports a _lot_ of scanners |
| 17:01.23 | jelly | earthian: ask for help on ext3-users list |
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| 17:01.35 | sepski | earthian, try unsing a backup superbloack ? |
| 17:01.48 | harddisk_wp | Flimzy, nope, didnt hear about that up2 now |
| 17:01.59 | earthian | sepski, how do i find one? |
| 17:02.06 | jelly | sepski: <jetscreamer> earthian: did you try to fsck it? <earthian> yes <earthian> and all superblocks from mke2fs -n |
| 17:02.08 | cokeslut | unsure |
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| 17:02.43 | jelly | earthian: did you use any special options on mkfs? |
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| 17:03.05 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.06 | earthian | jelly, no |
| 17:03.24 | jelly | earthian: well, the first backup superblock should be at 8193 then |
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| 17:03.53 | pickcoder | this is like the 5th time I've see ifup not assign a default gw on reboot |
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| 17:03.58 | xalbertox | Hi, how can I change debian default usplash image ¿? |
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| 17:04.09 | jetscreamer | pickcoder: i've seen it many times |
| 17:04.19 | jetscreamer | it's an etch bug imo |
| 17:04.31 | pickcoder | we've had mail blockage for several days b/c I never saw that |
| 17:04.32 | pickcoder | grr |
| 17:04.35 | jetscreamer | allow-hotplug in /etc/interfaces borks it out for some reason |
| 17:04.42 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: yes. it's a bug alright |
| 17:04.47 | jetscreamer | i just replace with auto eth0 |
| 17:04.48 | car_watt | pickdocer: hi |
| 17:04.53 | jelly | pickcoder: remote ping + mail/sms ftw |
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| 17:05.12 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: I'm considering that |
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| 17:05.37 | jetscreamer | #allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 17:05.37 | jetscreamer | auto eth0 |
| 17:05.52 | jetscreamer | every etch install afaicr |
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| 17:06.04 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
| 17:06.11 | jetscreamer | subsequent reboots net go byebye |
| 17:06.16 | car_watt | uyihu |
| 17:06.21 | jetscreamer | the first one works though for some reason |
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| 17:06.49 | earthian | i remember i have resized the filesysem sometime ago but that did not damaged it... the damage came when i removed other partitions (except the extended one and the filesystem on question) ... |
| 17:07.17 | earthian | jelly, all superblocks from mke2fs -n not working |
| 17:07.36 | jetscreamer | bare metal it, low-level format, dd it |
| 17:07.44 | jetscreamer | or don't |
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| 17:08.00 | jetscreamer | s/gparted/anyparted/ |
| 17:08.06 | harddisk_wp | Flimzy, how do I work with sane? |
| 17:08.21 | jetscreamer | addyourself to the sane gropu for one |
| 17:08.25 | jetscreamer | group |
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| 17:10.06 | jetscreamer | gumby needs to add a , after torture |
| 17:10.08 | harddisk_wp | addgroup: Die Gruppe »sane« existiert nicht. |
| 17:10.19 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 17:10.23 | harddisk_wp | jetscreamer, i rather meant how to install the scanner? |
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| 17:10.35 | jetscreamer | no idea never done it |
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| 17:10.49 | jetscreamer | you might want the sane program but i know nothing |
| 17:10.53 | jetscreamer | !sane |
| 17:10.53 | dpkg | Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning...easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ |
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| 17:10.57 | Flimzy | harddisk_wp: Step 1) RTFM. Step 2) Apply what you learned in step 1. |
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| 17:11.28 | fridim | hi |
| 17:11.33 | sepski | earthian, you can search for backup superblocks in the testdisk tool |
| 17:11.33 | fridim | Wyzard, ping ? :) |
| 17:12.04 | earthian | sepski, it finds a superblock at block=0 and blocksize=4096 |
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| 17:12.18 | earthian | and fsck does not take these values seriously :/ |
| 17:12.25 | fridim | I finally success to boot but Idon't have the menu of grub, just a grub shell : grub> |
| 17:12.40 | harddisk_wp | damnd, scanner not supported. |
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| 17:12.48 | jetscreamer | fridim: type help |
| 17:12.50 | fridim | If I set kernel and initrd, it boot properly. But how can I have a menu like the standard boot |
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| 17:12.58 | harddisk_wp | i think i need something like ndiswrapper |
| 17:13.12 | Wanderer | I'm trying to update my debian stable backports and it's saying it can't find key the pubkey 11455CCBD9D075EA |
| 17:13.17 | jetscreamer | fridim: after you boot up, type grub-install hd0 (or hdwhatever) |
| 17:13.24 | biz | why does postfix 2.3 ignore my /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf without me changing the sasl application name? |
| 17:13.25 | fridim | jetscreamer, it doesn't work |
| 17:13.26 | Wanderer | anyone know where I can get it? can't find it on wwwpubkeys.pgp.net |
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| 17:13.50 | fridim | it says : end_request : I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0 |
| 17:14.02 | fridim | (repeating continously) |
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| 17:14.28 | jetscreamer | fridim: it's using your fd.. floppy. check /boot/grub/device.map |
| 17:14.35 | fridim | even If i've nothing like that in device.map |
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| 17:15.08 | fridim | jetscreamer, device.map deosn't contain any fd0 |
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| 17:15.12 | jetscreamer | you can use the grub setup thing in the grubshell, i've done it once, but don't remember the exact steps offhand |
| 17:15.30 | pickcoder | tarzeau: any luck? |
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| 17:15.44 | jetscreamer | grub obviously is using fd0 as root... tell grub to use hd0 |
| 17:16.00 | esters | hello, when opening a URL in irc topic (as you will see in the screenshot) Iceweasel provides me with this error : http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4306/untitledra2.png |
| 17:16.09 | jetscreamer | you might /join #grub and also ask in there... but it's a slow channel |
| 17:16.15 | fridim | jetscreamer, no since I can boot on my linux |
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| 17:16.32 | fridim | just by set kernel and initrd |
| 17:16.59 | jetscreamer | in the grub shell, when you boot, do you use the commands 'root' and 'configfile' |
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| 17:17.34 | jetscreamer | how many ide controllers, both pata and sata |
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| 17:18.08 | hlpwfuse | hi can somebody teach me FUSE ? |
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| 17:18.20 | earthian | yay! |
| 17:18.30 | earthian | gpart /dev/mapper/via_ibaefechf |
| 17:18.31 | earthian | Floating point exception |
| 17:18.35 | earthian | ... |
| 17:18.37 | jetscreamer | fridim: you might look at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:18.44 | jetscreamer | die gparted die |
| 17:18.56 | fridim | menu.lst seems ok |
| 17:18.59 | earthian | its gpart jetscreamer :P |
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| 17:19.46 | mindframe | whats package name for build tools ? |
| 17:20.14 | esters | build-essential |
| 17:20.27 | ewanm89 | mindframe: build-essential |
| 17:20.42 | esters | soo anyone here to help solve the problem ? |
| 17:20.46 | esters | hello, when opening a URL in irc topic (as you will see in the screenshot) Iceweasel provides me with this error : http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/4306/untitledra2.png |
| 17:21.01 | ranpha | How can you see if a daemon is working? |
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| 17:21.33 | sohmestra | ranpha: depends what you mean by "working" |
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| 17:21.56 | ranpha | Well i'm trying to get amule-daemon wokring in a non gui. But i have no clue if it works |
| 17:22.07 | ewanm89 | ranpha: ps -A | grep 'daemon name' shows that it is running |
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| 17:22.08 | ranpha | meaning if it starts :-) |
| 17:22.12 | sohmestra | ranpha: you could do: ps auwx |grep 'name of daemon' to see if it is running |
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| 17:23.23 | cwheeler | Hi I'm trying to choose an alternate name for the LVM group in the Debian installer but i can't figure out how to do it |
| 17:23.41 | defcon8 | does anyone know how to boot windows from a sata drive using grub? I tried and it says unknown partition type |
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| 17:23.44 | sepski | cwheeler, you need to lower priority for that i belive |
| 17:24.02 | cwheeler | yes but how do i lower priority? |
| 17:24.07 | jelly | dudes, ps ... | grep is out (and imprecise). pgrep of pidof is in |
| 17:24.23 | jelly | s/of/or/ |
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| 17:24.58 | ewanm89 | defcon8: make sure windows can boot itself from the drive first then chainload windows boot from grub as usual |
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| 17:25.41 | defcon8 | ewanm89, oh damn. I guess I'll need to do a recovery then |
| 17:25.47 | ewanm89 | jelly: You mean I have more commands to remember. |
| 17:25.50 | defcon8 | ewanm89, so is that why it can't boot? |
| 17:25.57 | defcon8 | I mean is that why it's saying unknown partition |
| 17:26.23 | ewanm89 | defcon8: Win bootloader will need to be in the sata's mbr |
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| 17:27.31 | ewanm89 | defcon8: Why win32 on a sata drive? Windows hates sata. |
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| 17:27.58 | Zer0_lft | I need the address for Debian WOODY update... the deb's files |
| 17:28.12 | Zer0_lft | i have some problem with the old entries |
| 17:28.14 | creature | OK, my wireless card has stopped working, and I'll bet it's because I've started to get an error at boot that says "irq 11: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)" followed by a stacktrace. I would appreciate some help troubleshooting this. |
| 17:28.51 | stew | Zer0_lft: what do you mean by woody update? |
| 17:29.00 | Zer0_lft | apt-get update |
| 17:29.02 | sepski | Zer0_lft, Security Support for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 was terminated on 2006-06-30 |
| 17:29.32 | stew | Zer0_lft: what exactly is the problem you are having? |
| 17:29.32 | defcon8 | ewanm89, didn't know it did |
| 17:29.32 | Zer0_lft | I need to install Mysql.. and dont want upgrade to SARGE |
| 17:29.37 | Zer0_lft | and no much time do compile from sources |
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| 17:29.57 | ewanm89 | Zer0_lft: What's wrong with sarge? |
| 17:30.01 | sepski | Zer0_lft, youll find the debs in http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 17:30.12 | Zer0_lft | ahha i dont have time to do that now |
| 17:30.20 | Zer0_lft | ok thanks |
| 17:30.34 | ewanm89 | defcon8: Hate sata or needs windows bootloader? |
| 17:30.34 | stew | Zer0_lft: "apt-get install mysql-server". realize that your system will be vulnerable, and therefore shouldn't be exposed publicly |
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| 17:30.50 | defcon8 | ewanm89, hate sata |
| 17:31.42 | earthian | why "dumpe2fs -ob 32768 -oB 4096 /dev/mapper/via_ibaefechf5" returns me "dumpe2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open 32768" ? |
| 17:31.51 | ewanm89 | defcon8: Windows pre Vista has no actual M$ support for sata drives so it then can become a nightmare |
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| 17:32.12 | defcon8 | ewanm89, never had any probs at all |
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| 17:32.50 | ewanm89 | defcon8: I've had it working before but make sure windows can boot it self from the drive first |
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| 17:33.17 | ewanm89 | defcon8: Until now |
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| 17:33.54 | evilbulgarian | hi, what options do i need in dhcpd.conf to allow windows clients to have multiple dns search patchs like "a.domain.com domain.com" ? |
| 17:34.09 | madclicker | is SATA standart hot-plugable like scsi? |
| 17:34.24 | fireba11 | madclicker: no ... chipset and driver must support it |
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| 17:34.32 | Devil_Kin | hey folks |
| 17:34.43 | Devil_Kin | how can you set again what pager and what level of questions dpkg should ask ? |
| 17:34.47 | madclicker | fireba11, thanks |
| 17:34.53 | Devil_Kin | it's dpkg-reconfigure <something>, but i forgot the something part :p |
| 17:34.57 | stew | Devil_Kin: debconf |
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| 17:35.26 | Devil_Kin | stew: thx |
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| 17:37.13 | ilreds | hi to all |
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| 17:38.08 | Pappa | Hi there :) I'm having trouble sending mail (with postfix) to large sites, like Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo etc. Anyone know a resolution? I always get timeouts. |
| 17:38.23 | ilreds | i've a problem making a remote connection with a server with debian |
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| 17:38.53 | DarkSol | is there anyway to do a memtest with a ppc install cd of debian? |
| 17:38.55 | marc | X |
| 17:39.07 | pickcoder | Pappa: there's always a problem if you are sending lots of mail to their domains |
| 17:39.29 | pickcoder | "spam control" |
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| 17:39.36 | ewanm89 | ilreds: What error do you get |
| 17:39.43 | pickcoder | even if it's legit e-mail they don't like one server sending tons of e-mail at once |
| 17:40.14 | ilreds | i've a lan wireless, one host in this lan working like a gateway for the debian server. server and gateway are connected with an ethernet cable. The gateway has windows xp inside. |
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| 17:40.58 | ilreds | if i make a remote ssh connection it's all ok, but if i make a remote connection to webmin or apache i obtain a connection refused |
| 17:41.02 | jelly | ewanm89: yeah, but pgrep is not hard to remember |
| 17:41.04 | sjbrown | is there a way to tell `sort` to sort by filesize strings? ie, 2.3M > 200K |
| 17:41.23 | sjbrown | or alternatively, is there a way to get du to output in sorted order? |
| 17:41.33 | jelly | sjbrown: don't use -h? |
| 17:41.34 | ilreds | windows gateway has all ports i need open |
| 17:41.37 | Pappa | pickcoder: this is one single email |
| 17:41.42 | ewanm89 | jelly: ps | grep is more generic and works with all unix |
| 17:41.57 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 17:42.08 | ilreds | u can read a netstat -a at http://www.hwupgrade.it/forum/showthread.php?t=1407940 |
| 17:42.10 | pickcoder | Pappa: well the first step is to look in your mail logs |
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| 17:42.14 | jelly | ewanm89: pgrep works on Linux and Solaris, and I don't have to grep -v grep or other funny stuff ;-) |
| 17:42.15 | ewanm89 | ilreds: Are you forwarding those ports |
| 17:42.22 | ilreds | yes |
| 17:42.24 | pickcoder | secondly, #postfix is available |
| 17:42.40 | ewanm89 | jelly: So when I admin Mac OSX? |
| 17:42.45 | ilreds | on debian sarge i has hosts.allow and hosts.deny clear |
| 17:42.55 | sjbrown | jelly, thanks. yeah, that'll work for now |
| 17:42.58 | ilreds | debian sarge is the server |
| 17:43.01 | jelly | ewanm89: ps is not really generic either, you may have bsd or sysv syntax |
| 17:43.09 | ilreds | and pam.conf clear too |
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| 17:43.33 | jelly | sjbrown: yeah, I usually do du -k > file, then sort -k1,1n that file later |
| 17:43.34 | karmatronic | ilreds you cant access port 10000 on the webmin server |
| 17:43.35 | ilreds | it' s very strange for my experience.... |
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| 17:43.56 | karmatronic | ilreds: cos your firewall is blocking this port |
| 17:44.00 | ilreds | karmatronic: i can access in loopback way |
| 17:44.20 | karmatronic | ilreds: and you dont want to open the port but using an ssh tunnel ? |
| 17:44.26 | ilreds | making requests from gateway all work fine |
| 17:44.33 | jelly | ewanm89: eg. does your Mac OSX have ps -A ? |
| 17:44.36 | DarkSol | is there anyway i can test my ram if i have a PPC processor because im not sure if the debian install cd has memtest on it... at least not from what i can see. |
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| 17:44.59 | ilreds | karmatronic, i want understand why i obtain connection refused |
| 17:45.06 | ilreds | i don't have firewall |
| 17:45.12 | ewanm89 | jelly: It has something simmilar and allows pipeing |
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| 17:45.23 | pickcoder | ilreds: define "remote" |
| 17:45.24 | karmatronic | ilreds: xp client -> gateway |
| 17:45.24 | Wanderer | I'm trying to update my debian stable backports and it's saying it can't find key the pubkey 11455CCBD9D075EA |
| 17:45.28 | Wanderer | anyone know where I can get it? can't find it on wwwpubkeys.pgp.net |
| 17:45.40 | ilreds | anly a clear debian sarge minimal installation |
| 17:45.46 | jelly | ewanm89: exactly, but you'll have to look it up, which rules out the "generic" advantage |
| 17:45.47 | ewanm89 | ilreds: Check webmin and apache authorized hosts |
| 17:45.51 | karmatronic | ilreds: you re trying to access the debian s gateway where you re running both an ssh server and webmin |
| 17:46.08 | ewanm89 | jelly: I think it is ps -A |
| 17:46.21 | jelly | ewanm89: I don't think. :-) |
| 17:46.26 | ilreds | karmatronic: client wireless->gateway(xp)->server(debian)...only ssh works |
| 17:46.32 | GeorgeS069 | Wanderer: /msg dpkg no public key |
| 17:46.51 | ilreds | karmatronic: gateway->server all works |
| 17:46.51 | Wanderer | thank you |
| 17:47.06 | pickcoder | heh.. Windows firewall |
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| 17:47.34 | Wanderer | hmm, George, that refers to etch, I'm looking at debian stable |
| 17:47.37 | hlpwfuse | hi there's something like md5sum but that show progress while generating md5 sum? |
| 17:47.41 | ilreds | server works like it has a rule that refused requests not starting by its lan |
| 17:47.55 | justin | hlpwfuse: pv |
| 17:48.03 | stew | Wanderer: what version does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for installed? |
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| 17:48.19 | stew | Wanderer: stable's apt doesn't know how to check the keys |
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| 17:48.24 | ilreds | lan wireless is 192.168.1.0/24, lan ethernet is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 17:48.29 | Wanderer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.33 | Zap-W | why did debian choose exim insted of sendmail as its default MTA |
| 17:48.43 | ilreds | the xp gateway has a wireless interface and a ethernet interface |
| 17:48.44 | stew | Wanderer: waht about "apt-cache policy apt" ? |
| 17:48.57 | Wanderer | 3 versions |
| 17:49.27 | pickcoder | ilreds: if SSH works then it sounds like an XP firewall problem |
| 17:49.27 | ewanm89 | jelly: man ps is that difficult but I think -A is posix compatible but MacOSX is the server I administer elsewhere with no internet connection |
| 17:49.30 | stew | Wanderer: what version does it say for "Installed:"? |
| 17:49.59 | Wanderer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:50.07 | stew | Wanderer: that key must have come from a non-debian mirror. do you know which? you'd have to ask the repository maintainer for the key, however i dunno how you'd verify a trust path to that key |
| 17:50.08 | jelly | ewanm89: well, man pgrep ain't difficult either, and works the platforms I care about |
| 17:50.16 | Wanderer | k |
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| 17:50.32 | ilreds | pickcoder: on xp if i don open a port (example 10000) i obtain a try to connect...(or similia), if i open the port i obtain a connection refused |
| 17:50.47 | graytron | Zap-W: i suspect that sendmail is more difficult to configure correctly and more difficult to configure generally. not certain though |
| 17:50.54 | GeorgeS069 | !webmin |
| 17:50.54 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
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| 17:51.38 | stew | ilreds: /msg dpkg connection refused |
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| 17:51.46 | Wanderer | hmm, seems we're not using a standard mirror, dealing with custom compiled packages fromanother admin |
| 17:51.47 | jelly | ewanm89: anyway, it doesn't really matter as long as you know that you have to do ps ...| grep '[f]oo' or, worse, grep -v grep |
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| 17:52.00 | towarzysz | does anyone here know anything about recompiling kernels? |
| 17:52.15 | stew | towarzysz: lots of people here |
| 17:52.20 | jelly | ewanm89: or else you might catch the grep process itself, which is not what you wanted |
| 17:52.24 | pickcoder | towarzysz: no.. no one compiles kernels anymore... |
| 17:52.25 | graytron | GeorgeS069: what's the althernative to webmin? |
| 17:52.34 | yang | towarzysz: #kernelnewbies |
| 17:52.36 | GeorgeS069 | graytron: ssh |
| 17:52.56 | tarzeau | pickcoder: pity, no |
| 17:52.57 | ilreds | i've used tcpdum for analize the traffic |
| 17:53.05 | Wanderer | BTW, my company is looking for a Debian Unix admin with 3+ years of exerience doing more than installingpackages. Job is in Atlanta. If you know anyone feel free to have em ms me |
| 17:53.10 | pickcoder | tarzeau: how are you trying to do I/O? C? |
| 17:53.11 | Wanderer | err, msg me |
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| 17:53.43 | tarzeau | pickcoder: yes, inb/outb |
| 17:55.37 | graytron | GeorgeS069: hehe :D |
| 17:55.40 | towarzysz | I am getting the following error when I run 'make-kpkg clean', "Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch this machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again" |
| 17:55.40 | sidjster | i compile my kernel |
| 17:55.40 | graytron | Wanderer: very nice. there's a mailing list for this too, some "debian-jobs" or whatever |
| 17:55.40 | graytron | Wanderer: just so you know |
| 17:55.41 | GeorgeS069 | graytron: All webmin really does is read and write your .conf files....there's no "magic" involved and once you know where to find those .conf files it's usually pretty simple to configure them yourself. |
| 17:56.00 | pickcoder | GeorgeS069: unless you're using shorewall.... |
| 17:56.03 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 17:56.11 | dkr | or gnome |
| 17:56.31 | graytron | GeorgeS069: but there are certain advantages to using GUIs sometimes, especially if you're not a Debian professional :) |
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| 17:57.26 | rahul | GUIs are great if they have a command line |
| 17:57.42 | karmatronic | rahul: yeah , like nmapfe |
| 17:57.47 | karmatronic | rahul: who needs that ? |
| 17:57.51 | rahul | huh? |
| 17:57.53 | graytron | dpkg-reconfigure is great |
| 17:58.05 | GeorgeS069 | I'm hardly a "debian professional" but,I've managed to setup Samba,BIND,Postfix and apache with several domains and never used webmin :) |
| 17:58.11 | yang | does mozilla have an option (just like firefox) to stay in the same tab, when opening "new link in a new tab" |
| 17:58.17 | rahul | karmatronic: that's not a command line |
| 17:58.29 | karmatronic | rahul: gui is cool but if command line is well designed , going through the command line is better |
| 17:58.31 | rahul | karmatronic: nor is it a command line within a gui |
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| 17:58.50 | rahul | karmatronic: if a gui is well-designed, going through the command line is better than going through a CLI |
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| 17:59.41 | ewanm89 | rahul: KVirc then |
| 17:59.56 | GeorgeS069 | there is always SWAT for samba configs if you need it but,I don't see how that is any more or less safe than webmin |
| 17:59.57 | MatBoy | is it possible to setup a fax on a Debian server that saves the faxes as attachments ? something with a frontent on a workstation, webbased or whatever ? |
| 18:00.00 | rahul | actually, irc could use a good gui |
| 18:00.16 | rahul | so you can click on nicks to perform commands on them. |
| 18:00.26 | rahul | or treat a message as an object |
| 18:00.27 | towarzysz | could anyone help me with this problem, I am getting the following error when I run 'make-kpkg clean', "Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] The usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch this machine belongs to. Please specify a subarch, and try again" |
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| 18:00.51 | ewanm89 | rahul: Like query right click select query in KVirc |
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| 18:00.57 | graytron | GeorgeS069: i've never used webmin either :-) however after seeing how YaST2 configures most important settings in SUSE, i'd hope that Debian had something similar also |
| 18:01.05 | rahul | for example, get the raw irc message behind something that's on the screen |
| 18:01.14 | rahul | ewanm89: as a simple example, yes |
| 18:01.35 | pickcoder | tarzeau: have you tried just using a static pointer? |
| 18:01.36 | ewanm89 | rahul: So use KVirc or are you a gnome fan |
| 18:01.44 | rahul | ... |
| 18:02.07 | rahul | does kvirc let me inspect the details behind a message on the screen? |
| 18:02.47 | rahul | haha, the wikipedia screenshot for kvirc has it running under gnome |
| 18:02.48 | jelly | graytron: hush, making packages that set up reasonable defaults in Debian is my secondary resource of income ;-) |
| 18:02.59 | ewanm89 | rahul: It also allows konsole in a little tab, Not quite in a small window h |
| 18:03.06 | GeorgeS069 | I did use webmin for about 2 years until I started comming in here and found out how everyone felt about it and why(and learned that dondelelcaro has some wierd electrical fetish involving knives:/ ) |
| 18:03.13 | rahul | ewanm89: konsole is a pitiful GUI for a command line |
| 18:03.36 | rahul | ewanm89: then again, anything that uses a unix shell would have a pitiful gui |
| 18:03.48 | graytron | jelly: sorry ;D |
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| 18:04.03 | ewanm89 | rahul: Of course it will run in gnome, and you just said the second bit yourself |
| 18:04.06 | rahul | it can't communicate with the shell well enough to actually figure out the object related to whatever output |
| 18:04.12 | jelly | graytron: but it's a hard task to do, the admin can do unimaginable horrors to config files that, while legal, can make the config unparsable to my scripts ;-) |
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| 18:04.38 | creature | OK, my wireless card has stopped working, and I'll bet it's because I've started to get an error at boot that says "irq 11: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)" followed by a stacktrace. I would appreciate some help troubleshooting this. |
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| 18:05.07 | rahul | it's funny that people use web apps and they don't realize that they're using a graphical command-line. |
| 18:05.10 | justin | creature: did you do what it said? |
| 18:05.19 | ewanm89 | rahul: Your idle time is 10 s |
| 18:05.22 | graytron | jelly: those b*star*s |
| 18:05.23 | rahul | too bad they're using a ridiculously primitive one |
| 18:05.42 | rahul | ewanm89: is that a good thing or a bad thing? |
| 18:05.45 | creature | justin: I did not, because I didn't understand what it would do. And what I googled up said that it didn't help. |
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| 18:05.57 | ewanm89 | rahul: is rahul!n=rjain@66-234-32-149.nyc.cable.nyct.net |
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| 18:06.10 | rahul | shocking. |
| 18:06.16 | jelly | graytron: that's good, because then we have to update the scripts, release newer versions of our config-munging packages and get paid for them ;-) |
| 18:06.22 | ewanm89 | creature: Just time since last post when I grabbed it |
| 18:06.29 | sussudio | %rahulstrike ewanm89 |
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| 18:06.38 | graytron | jelly: good for you :-) not so good for someone else :) |
| 18:06.40 | rahul | !penixstrike ewanm89 |
| 18:06.40 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ewanm89 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:06.41 | ewanm89 | rahul: That's your reverse DNS |
| 18:06.45 | creature | ewanm89: I beg your pardon? |
| 18:06.49 | rahul | "my reverse dns"? |
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| 18:06.53 | badgers | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio) |
| 18:06.55 | sussudio | :-| |
| 18:06.56 | rahul | heh |
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| 18:07.02 | sussudio | %rahulstrike ewanm89 |
| 18:07.03 | badgers | A huge rahul decends from the sky, attempting to hit ewanm89 but misses, leaving a trail of rahul mush behind. |
| 18:07.06 | ewanm89 | rahul: Yes who is query |
| 18:07.17 | rahul | !confuse ewanm89 |
| 18:07.17 | dpkg | Yes, how are my pants tomorrow, ewanm89? breeches of the people's republic of tahiti with extra herring |
| 18:08.03 | ewanm89 | dpkg: I was trying to demonstrate how easy doing query's were in KVirc. |
| 18:08.11 | sussudio | ... |
| 18:08.16 | graytron | a GUI for dpkg-reconfigure.. hmmm |
| 18:08.24 | Wanderer | anyone real familiar with mdns? got a wierd one |
| 18:08.36 | rahul | you haven't done a query |
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| 18:08.44 | claudio` | hola |
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| 18:08.50 | creature | justin - so, what's irqpoll? |
| 18:08.53 | sussudio | !what does ewanm89 pay you for |
| 18:08.53 | dpkg | sometimes ewanm89 begs for unspeakably disgusting actions, sussudio, but I've really had enough... |
| 18:09.13 | zamuro | !spanish |
| 18:09.14 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:09.14 | jelly | graytron: one has to spend the government money somehow, so why not do it while making Debian packages :> |
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| 18:09.31 | sussudio | umm. .it? |
| 18:09.34 | graytron | jelly: which government uses debian and for what purposes? :) |
| 18:09.46 | justin | creature: no idea |
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| 18:10.04 | jelly | graytron: oh, the gov. doesn't use it afaik, but various academic institutions do |
| 18:10.17 | Wanderer | 4 machines, 2 debian, 2 ubuntu. Machines a and b are Debian. all have avahi-daemon installed in the same manner. Machine A(debian unstable) can ping everything, machines c and d (ubuntu etch) can ping everything. Machine B (debian unstable) can be pinged but can' not ping any other mdns hosts (a.local). I can see services offered from machine b on machine a though. I've verified the nsswitch.conf on machine b is identicle to m |
| 18:10.33 | ewanm89 | dpkg: It's easily available information while using irc unless you are using cloaks or anomynous proxys which rahul is not |
| 18:10.33 | dpkg | ewanm89: what are you talking about? |
| 18:10.45 | sussudio | ..... |
| 18:10.52 | justin | Wanderer: what is ubuntu etch? |
| 18:10.53 | graytron | jelly: alright :-) too bad for the government |
| 18:10.54 | jelly | graytron: national academic & research network gets funded by the govt to provide internet & support, |
| 18:11.02 | graytron | jelly: for not using |
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| 18:11.05 | Wanderer | justin: just another distro that is working fine like the debian unstable |
| 18:11.06 | rahul | !cracksmite ewanm89 |
| 18:11.15 | stew | ewanm89: dpkg is a bot |
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| 18:11.26 | creature | justin: How would I find out if it takes any parameters or not? |
| 18:11.29 | Wanderer | justin: machine A can ping B, C and D on the .local name, but machine B can not |
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| 18:11.41 | ewanm89 | dpkg: query's in irc clients and how easy KVirc makes it I could initiat DCC with any nick just as easily |
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| 18:11.56 | Supaplex | Wanderer: so when did that train arrive? ;) |
| 18:12.05 | abrotman | ewanm89: dpkg is a bot |
| 18:12.12 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 18:12.13 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 18:12.14 | Wanderer | supaplex: couple days ago :> |
| 18:12.16 | ewanm89 | stew: I forgot it is a dum one too |
| 18:12.30 | jelly | !beer justin |
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| 18:12.46 | zamuro | dpkg: Kiss me |
| 18:13.15 | rahul | Wanderer: looks like its /etc/hosts is missing some entries |
| 18:13.20 | graytron | jelly: well, do you enjoy what you're currently doing or would your rather use Microsoft products to fix the situation? |
| 18:13.26 | Wanderer | rahul: it's mdns, shouldn't need hosts |
| 18:13.27 | jelly | graytron: lol |
| 18:13.38 | graytron | jelly :) |
| 18:13.46 | earthian | after some playing with testdisk, i have found that there are no any usable superblocks on the filesystem. Now i have a different question: how do i recover data which is very important? |
| 18:13.48 | rahul | mdns... |
| 18:13.58 | Wanderer | mdns/avahi |
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| 18:14.16 | rahul | Wanderer: does it have the multicast route set up right? |
| 18:14.25 | jahshua | hello, is this a debian help channel? |
| 18:14.26 | ewanm89 | Maybe dpkg will learn from it and become less dumb |
| 18:14.35 | Zap-W | is it just me or pdfs arent fun to read |
| 18:14.38 | abrotman | doubtful you will |
| 18:14.47 | sussudio | jahshua: no, this is #abuse |
| 18:14.50 | Wanderer | rahul: same routing as machine A from what I can see |
| 18:14.52 | yang | 28 hops to the skype gateway, that is a lot.... |
| 18:14.53 | rahul | Zap-W: there's as fun to read as postscript files |
| 18:15.04 | Wanderer | rahul: looking at "ip route" |
| 18:15.06 | rahul | Wanderer: hmm, tried pinging 224.0.0.1 from all the machines? |
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| 18:15.35 | Wanderer | hah |
| 18:15.49 | Wanderer | rahul: Machine A can not ping 224.0.0.1 but Machine B gets multiple responses |
| 18:16.09 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:16.11 | rahul | well, that might be a clue |
| 18:16.19 | Nyle | I put a CMS on my webserver |
| 18:16.20 | jelly | graytron: our typical sysadmins have about the same experience as a newbie here, I think it's very good that someone is paying to make their systems work. |
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| 18:16.22 | Zap-W | rahul: they are sorta the same |
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| 18:16.24 | rahul | hey is rotationally symmetrical |
| 18:16.27 | Nyle | its cool loooking |
| 18:16.36 | Wanderer | not really. Machine A which can not ping it works for mdns, but Machine B which can ping it is broken |
| 18:16.37 | Zap-W | windows chm files are better |
| 18:16.41 | Nyle | rahul: check it out, http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 18:16.56 | rahul | Zap-W: ps/pdf are not meant for on-screen viewing |
| 18:16.58 | Nyle | I think I'll keep the darkside theme |
| 18:17.00 | rahul | Zap-W: chm is html. |
| 18:17.02 | Nyle | and continue on |
| 18:17.04 | claudio` | hey.. i haven't a DVD reader on my laptop. I wondering how many CDs i have to burn in order to install a minimal operating system. Any idea? |
| 18:17.05 | roler | i'm looking for a way to set contrast and brightness (not gamma) in xorg on an intel video card. Does anyone know if it's possible? Windows has support for this, and to fix the handicap that my crappy laptop lcd has, I need to fix the colors in linux too. |
| 18:17.09 | sepski | Wanderer, and the avahi deamon is running on all ? |
| 18:17.17 | jelly | rahul: ever heard of Display PostScript? :-) |
| 18:17.19 | sepski | and no iptables that blocks anything ? |
| 18:17.23 | Zap-W | rahul: they are not?? |
| 18:17.24 | justin | Wanderer: use tcpdump to debug |
| 18:17.32 | rahul | Nyle: you used jpeg for text? |
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| 18:17.36 | graytron | jelly: sure. i'd like to find someone paying me :) |
| 18:17.36 | GeorgeS069 | claudio`: All you need is the net install CD |
| 18:17.40 | rahul | !penixstrike jelly |
| 18:17.40 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:17.41 | stew | claudio`: one |
| 18:17.43 | nbucketfa99 | hey guys. how do i force removal of a package without it listening to dependencies ? |
| 18:17.48 | rahul | Zap-W: no. they are printing languages |
| 18:17.48 | Nyle | rahul: I dunno I'm just messing around with some CMS things |
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| 18:17.57 | rahul | Nyle: that's not my point |
| 18:17.58 | Nyle | rahul: its time consuming to code my whole site |
| 18:18.02 | stew | nbucketfa99: why do you want to? |
| 18:18.10 | Nyle | rahul: I dunno what this does or how it works |
| 18:18.10 | jelly | rahul: I guess that's a positive. |
| 18:18.12 | claudio` | GeorgeS069: nono.. i haven't LAN cable.. i'm from a WiFi USB adapter so i prefer to install the base sistem directly from a CD |
| 18:18.13 | nbucketfa99 | stew because openssl .9.8 is buggered it seems. i need 9.7 |
| 18:18.16 | claudio` | stew: the 1st? =) |
| 18:18.19 | rahul | Nyle: oh, THEY made that image. |
| 18:18.20 | Nyle | rahul: image for text? I don't get it |
| 18:18.21 | nbucketfa99 | i need to downgrade the major version |
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| 18:18.34 | rahul | Nyle: it's not your fault. they're tools. |
| 18:18.41 | stew | claudio`: yes. or a netinst: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 18:18.43 | jelly | nbucketfa99: 0.9.8 and 0.9.7 can be installed side by side, I think |
| 18:18.47 | Nyle | but what are you talking about |
| 18:18.52 | rahul | jelly: DPS is.. different |
| 18:18.54 | nbucketfa99 | yeah but everything is using 0.9.8 |
| 18:18.55 | Nyle | rahul: there is no text in the form of images |
| 18:18.56 | rahul | Nyle: "powered by..." |
| 18:18.59 | nbucketfa99 | so how do i force removal :) ? |
| 18:19.03 | Nyle | rahul: its a liscence thing |
| 18:19.08 | jelly | rahul: I know, it was a tangential thought |
| 18:19.09 | claudio` | uhm.. ok THX |
| 18:19.23 | GeorgeS069 | claudio`: a net install will give you the basics.....the "net" part is just for additional packages |
| 18:19.23 | rahul | Nyle: yeah. they encoded it as jpeg. tards. |
| 18:19.29 | Nyle | rahul: its not an image is it? |
| 18:19.37 | graytron | jelly: that is, working with debian |
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| 18:19.41 | Nyle | yup |
| 18:19.42 | Nyle | i t is |
| 18:19.56 | rahul | Nyle: it is. I saw the artifacts and wondered why there were artifacts in something that could easily be done with css |
| 18:19.56 | Nyle | thats kinda dumb |
| 18:19.59 | claudio` | GeorgeS069: ok.. i'll read something about and i'll try to install debian from there |
| 18:19.59 | claudio` | Is debian 3.1r2 is the latest stable release? |
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| 18:20.07 | Nyle | now that I think about it |
| 18:20.09 | rahul | !penixstrike cmsimple.dk |
| 18:20.09 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking cmsimple.dk to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:20.32 | GeorgeS069 | claudio`: yes |
| 18:20.33 | jelly | graytron: Opera was looking for some Debian admins a few weeks ago... if you're willing to relocate to .no ;-) |
| 18:20.36 | claudio` | ok THX |
| 18:20.36 | Nyle | I could just get really high and get some sesame chicken and get to work on my site |
| 18:20.38 | pickcoder | rahul: b/c CSS still isn't supported at the same levels everywhere? |
| 18:20.40 | claudio` | i'm going to install it |
| 18:20.48 | claudio` | see you great soon :) |
| 18:20.49 | claudio` | bye |
| 18:20.52 | Nyle | few hours and i'll be done with a php/css/xhtml thing. simple enough. |
| 18:21.02 | rahul | pickcoder: yeah, but it's no huge loss if this doesn't come out perfectly |
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| 18:21.31 | Wanderer | sepski: yep, avahi-daemon is running. From machine D I can see it's shares published and I can ping B.local |
| 18:21.36 | loca|host | how to run an application on a display from console ? for example, i need to run xmms on the display from an ssh console |
| 18:21.57 | jelly | graytron: not any more it seems. http://www.opera.com/company/jobs/ |
| 18:22.01 | rahul | loca|host: DISPLAY=:0 xmms |
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| 18:22.24 | rahul | oh, that reminds me |
| 18:22.28 | rahul | I need to do bar 9's css |
| 18:23.36 | Eol | ? I am a bsd guy and just inheritted some debian boxes with a no migrate directive from the boss ... been digging through the docs and got updating down (upgraded from 2.2 to 3.1) and all the fun apt-get stuff to update assorted packages .. still for some reason I can seem to get amavisd-new to update .. still showing the 2003 version even though debian package list online shows it as the newer 2007 one |
| 18:23.37 | Eol | idea? |
| 18:23.52 | Wanderer | justin: tcpdump doesn't help, "ping a.local" on machine B gives: ping: unknown host a.local |
| 18:23.53 | Eol | s/can/can't |
| 18:24.10 | Wanderer | and again, I've verified my nsswitch.conf by overwriting it with the nswwitch from machine a |
| 18:24.21 | ewanm89 | !say hi |
| 18:24.22 | dpkg | hi |
| 18:24.31 | petemc | Eol: are you looking at the unstable package version, vs the stable (older) version? |
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| 18:25.15 | Eol | sec |
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| 18:25.21 | graytron | jelly: heh. :-) thanks for the hint |
| 18:25.36 | Eol | ahh..good call .. distro "unstable" |
| 18:25.39 | Eol | my mistake then |
| 18:25.47 | petemc | Eol: you might want to look for a backport for stable |
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| 18:26.12 | justin | Wanderer: did you install the libnss package? |
| 18:26.23 | pickcoder | Eol: is there a specific fix in the latest version that you have to have? |
| 18:26.35 | jelly | Eol: yup, debian stable still uses 20030616p10-5 (which is really from 2004, but still rather old) |
| 18:26.45 | Wanderer | hmm |
| 18:26.47 | GeorgeS069 | Eol: be careful updating amavisd.It has a new config style more in-line with standard debian configs so you'll need to adjust/fix everything if you update to the newer version |
| 18:27.00 | Wanderer | justin: that's what I was just looking at, I had been looking at "dpkg -l | grep -i avahi" |
| 18:27.07 | Wanderer | installing that one now |
| 18:27.19 | Eol | i will just hold off till stable |
| 18:27.23 | justin | Wanderer: well, without that package it certainly won't work |
| 18:27.25 | Wanderer | justin: that was it. Odd that avahi doesn't depend on libnss-mdns |
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| 18:27.29 | znh | Hello, |
| 18:27.33 | Wanderer | it could publish, just not look up |
| 18:27.34 | ranpha | i can't install a unstable package on a testing debian right? |
| 18:27.35 | Eol | am a obsd guy .. i am used to multiyear holds ;) |
| 18:27.50 | Wanderer | bingo, looking up just fine now |
| 18:27.50 | Eol | i missed i was looking @ unstable though so thought I was doing somethign wrong |
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| 18:27.55 | znh | I've downloaded a new theme for Xfce, but I have no clue how to install this theme. #xfce is not respoding, which is why I end up here |
| 18:27.57 | jelly | Eol: you'll be fine with Debian's release schedule then :-)) |
| 18:28.31 | stew | is amavisd-new in volatile? |
| 18:28.38 | jelly | znh: tried #debian-xfce ? |
| 18:28.38 | Eol | nope |
| 18:28.44 | znh | jelly, not yet |
| 18:28.45 | Eol | i am also following volatile |
| 18:28.59 | Eol | seen semi-new clam (no .9 yet though), nothing on amavisd-new yet though |
| 18:29.02 | stew | Eol: did you check bpo? |
| 18:29.12 | Eol | no idea what bpo is |
| 18:29.16 | stew | !bpo |
| 18:29.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
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| 18:29.32 | Eol | kk |
| 18:29.35 | Eol | @bpo |
| 18:30.15 | ewanm89 | jelly: 0.90 clamav went into sid today |
| 18:30.41 | Eol | by other annoyance is can't seem to find a way to get apt-get to delete dependencies .. for example if I want to delete X and everything that depends on it |
| 18:30.44 | Eol | s/by/my |
| 18:30.50 | abrotman | Eol: use aptitude |
| 18:30.55 | abrotman | use deborphan to clean up |
| 18:30.56 | ewanm89 | !say 0.90 clamav went into sid today |
| 18:30.56 | dpkg | 0.90 clamav went into sid today |
| 18:31.06 | abrotman | ewanm89: stop fucking with the bot |
| 18:31.18 | znh | abrotman, language, please! |
| 18:31.20 | abrotman | Eol: aptitude |
| 18:31.24 | ewanm89 | abrotman: You spoil all my fun |
| 18:31.25 | jahshua | anyone here use gnome? |
| 18:31.28 | abrotman | znh: and? |
| 18:31.32 | abrotman | jahshua: lots of people .. just ask |
| 18:31.37 | earthian | is it possible to change logical partition to primary and delete extended one at the same time ? |
| 18:31.47 | ewanm89 | !penixstrke abrotman |
| 18:31.48 | jahshua | how can i remove and keep removed my Desktop folder on Gnome? |
| 18:31.54 | jahshua | it really annoys me ... the icons on my Desktop. |
| 18:32.07 | ewanm89 | !penixstrike abrotman |
| 18:32.07 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:32.10 | jahshua | i delete them but they return when i reboot. |
| 18:32.11 | abrotman | ewanm89: STOP |
| 18:32.18 | ewanm89 | abrotman: I have |
| 18:32.25 | abrotman | jahshua: you might want to ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 18:32.30 | jahshua | ok |
| 18:32.32 | jahshua | thanks. |
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| 18:32.40 | stew | ewanm89: please go to #debian-bots to play with the bots |
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| 18:32.54 | earthian | is it possible to change logical partition to primary and delete extended one at the same time ? |
| 18:33.01 | earthian | ??? |
| 18:33.11 | rahul | !tell vint-cerft about away |
| 18:33.28 | ewanm89 | stew: Actually I was playing with it in a DCC chat more |
| 18:33.37 | pickcoder | heh.. this is nice: |
| 18:33.38 | stew | ewanm89: whatever. please don't play with it here |
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| 18:33.51 | jelly | ewanm89: that's ok, but clamav from volatile has a bit different scripts and I'm too lazy to backport myself :-) |
| 18:33.53 | pickcoder | Need to get 225MB of archives. After unpkacing 11.7MB will be used. |
| 18:34.00 | rahul | earthian: I think so, as long as the partition starts and ends at exactly the same cylinders |
| 18:34.13 | rahul | pickcoder: 11.7MB more will be used |
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| 18:34.16 | Flimzy | I'm trying to install etch amd64, and grub is not installing correctly. I thought I'd try a more recent version of the installer, but it looks like rc1 is the latest... is there a fix for this? |
| 18:34.17 | rahul | bad wording. |
| 18:34.24 | jelly | rahul, earthian: and exactly the same sector! |
| 18:34.33 | pickcoder | that's not what it says |
| 18:34.33 | stew | Flimzy: use a daily, rc1 is broken |
| 18:34.36 | sepski | Flimzy, try the daily built installer ? |
| 18:34.39 | earthian | so how would i do that? |
| 18:34.42 | rahul | pickcoder: since you're upgrading, it's removing files from old versions |
| 18:34.54 | ranpha | Do i get in a lot of problem if i use testing with a unstable package? |
| 18:35.01 | Flimzy | stew: cool. Where do I find the daily builds? |
| 18:35.01 | rahul | jelly: as long as he doesn't change geometry, he'll be fine, right? |
| 18:35.06 | rahul | ranpha: maybe. |
| 18:35.09 | Flimzy | or do I have to build one myself with jigdo or something? |
| 18:35.11 | stew | Flimzy: http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:35.12 | rahul | ranpha: we can't predict that, in general. |
| 18:35.23 | Flimzy | stew: thanks |
| 18:35.32 | jahshua | how can i tell if my swap space is active? i think i might have messed up on the install... i put the swap space after my windows partition and then the root partition after the swap space. |
| 18:35.43 | Supaplex | free |
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| 18:36.37 | stew | jahshua: cat /proc/swaps |
| 18:37.06 | jahshua | it only show /dev/hda5 |
| 18:37.07 | jahshua | :/ |
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| 18:37.19 | jahshua | is that a major problem? i definitely partitioned the space. |
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| 18:37.49 | pickcoder | jahshua: does fdisk show the partition as swap type? |
| 18:37.51 | stew | jahshua: so you have one swap partition. were you expecting to have more than just /dev/hda5 used as swap? |
| 18:38.00 | jahshua | oh wait, /dev/hda5 is my swap space ... i think. |
| 18:38.14 | stew | jahshua: if it is in /proc/swaps, then it is being used as swapspace |
| 18:38.21 | jahshua | okay cool. |
| 18:38.25 | jahshua | thanks! |
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| 18:39.07 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 18:39.18 | pickcoder | fdisk doesn't like my swap partition |
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| 18:46.10 | earthian | jelly, i know you are a smart one. please tell me, if i change partition type from logical to primary, would it be possible to make it expand to the entire drive if there are no other primary partitions (only the logical one and extended)? |
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| 18:47.49 | abrotman | jelly: ls |
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| 18:49.15 | jahshua | hey peeps whats the dpkg command to reconfigure my xserver? i just tried to install the artwiz cursor and it botched my /etc/X11/xorg.conf and now gdm wont load. :/ |
| 18:49.33 | petemc | !drxx jahshua |
| 18:49.33 | dpkg | jahshua: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:50.02 | earthian | !xmd5 |
| 18:50.02 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 18:50.18 | earthian | heh |
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| 18:51.02 | graytron | geez! |
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| 18:51.20 | graytron | earthian: since when is this? :) |
| 18:51.32 | earthian | :/ |
| 18:51.52 | stew | jahshua: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:52.06 | earthian | since his help > of your |
| 18:52.18 | earthian | or you could prove me different? :) |
| 18:52.47 | graytron | earthian: its just that i have been editing my X config with dpkg-reconfigure & hand with no problems from Woody to Sarge |
| 18:53.15 | earthian | ph |
| 18:53.17 | earthian | oh |
| 18:53.19 | tralala | graytron, hand editing and reconfigure don't work on sarge unless xmd5 |
| 18:53.56 | earthian | ... i alwayd configure my xorg.conf by hand... screw that dumb xorg-xserver or so... |
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| 18:54.05 | ma3x | mtrr: no more MTRRs available |
| 18:54.07 | ma3x | whats that |
| 18:54.10 | ma3x | my dmesg gets flood |
| 18:54.16 | jahshua | thanks a lot. |
| 18:54.27 | graytron | tralala: really? i have only edited the Font section by hand though. so when i do dpkg-reconfigure on Sarge and even though dpkg-reconfigure doesn't mention anything, it won't change the config? |
| 18:54.48 | tralala | graytron, yes |
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| 18:55.22 | graytron | tralala: have to test :) |
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| 18:57.48 | graytron | tralala: indeed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't work in sarge |
| 18:57.59 | tralala | thus the factoid |
| 18:58.05 | graytron | yeah. i see it now :) |
| 18:58.37 | justin | graytron: since when? |
| 18:58.48 | graytron | justin: since the beginning i suppose |
| 18:59.13 | graytron | justin: if you edit the XFree86 config by hand, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't work |
| 18:59.24 | graytron | it was news to me :) |
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| 18:59.44 | justin | yes, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 works just fine though |
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| 18:59.53 | graytron | justin: no it doesn't |
| 19:00.04 | justin | graytron: yes it does |
| 19:00.17 | graytron | justin: i just edited the files section on my XF86Config-1 and it dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 doesn't work anymore |
| 19:00.25 | justin | graytron: did you read the top of the file? |
| 19:00.28 | Ronin | graytron: thats becasue you manually edited it |
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| 19:00.40 | graytron | i edited it correctly |
| 19:00.48 | Ronin | doesnt matter |
| 19:00.52 | Isaac_Newbton | hi. i'm using etch running gnome and compiz/aigxl and I'd like to know where do I disable plugins used by compiz? |
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| 19:01.18 | FelipeSouza | My wireless connection go down for every 2~5 minutes, DWL-G122, with the driver ralink-rt73 compiled with module-assistant, please help, thank's |
| 19:01.23 | yang | what is a better choice for etch for a windows simulation ? wine or vmware? |
| 19:01.26 | graytron | justin: point taken |
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| 19:01.55 | FelipeSouza | kernel 2.6.15, debian stable |
| 19:02.03 | Harzilein | yang: depends on what you want to run. and of course using vmware depends on having a windows medium and license |
| 19:02.37 | ewanm89 | Isaac_Newbton: It depends on the version of compiz, early versions used gconf I believe later versions have a tool |
| 19:02.57 | yang | Harzilein: i need it to run VOIP software, which isn't ported to linux yet |
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| 19:03.33 | Isaac_Newbton | ewanm89: ok, and how do I do it now? :-) |
| 19:04.03 | Harzilein | yang: well, if it's something like a softphone, use wine, it'd should provide a good enough api for sound and network |
| 19:04.10 | ma3x | mtrr: no more MTRRs available <- whats that |
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| 19:05.14 | jmalicki | ma3x: exactly what it says... the chip only has so many MTRRs |
| 19:05.24 | ma3x | and wtf is mtrrs |
| 19:05.36 | jmalicki | ma3x: and you've used all of them |
| 19:05.48 | jmalicki | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Type_Range_Registers |
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| 19:06.02 | ewanm89 | Isaac_Newbton: compiz-settings |
| 19:06.16 | Isaac_Newbton | ewanm89: don't got that |
| 19:06.30 | jmalicki | ma3x: it basically means you have too many PCI and/or AGP drivers loaded that do weird dma and io mapping stuff |
| 19:06.33 | jmalicki | err |
| 19:06.37 | jmalicki | io mapping, not dma |
| 19:07.25 | jmalicki | maybe one of your drivers is too greedy |
| 19:07.25 | Isaac_Newbton | ewanm89: compiz, compiz-core, compiz-gnome, compiz-gtk and compiz-plugins are installed, while compiz-dev isn't |
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| 19:07.51 | ma3x | jmalicki: see this |
| 19:07.53 | ma3x | mtrr: no more MTRRs available |
| 19:07.59 | ma3x | mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x8000000 overlaps existing 0xdbc00000,0x200000 |
| 19:07.59 | ma3x | agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. |
| 19:07.59 | ma3x | agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode |
| 19:08.15 | ma3x | is it possible that my computer freezes because of those shitty errors |
| 19:08.15 | ewanm89 | Isaac_Newbton: gnome-compiz-preference |
| 19:08.19 | jmalicki | umm |
| 19:08.26 | jmalicki | ma3x: it isn't a good sign... |
| 19:08.30 | Isaac_Newbton | ewanm89: same, don't got that |
| 19:08.35 | jmalicki | ma3x: try getting new graphics drivers |
| 19:09.07 | ma3x | jmalicki: like what? I have ali igp345M on my laptop |
| 19:09.09 | jmalicki | hmm |
| 19:09.14 | ma3x | ati not ali |
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| 19:09.28 | jmalicki | ma3x: im getting that alot on my PC actually and havent noticed problems , so i dont know the current state of the world... |
| 19:09.39 | jmalicki | but yeah, it is generally a problem if you cant set the mtrrs correctly |
| 19:10.10 | concept10 | ma3x, i have that chipset, you need the ati open source drivers |
| 19:10.25 | ma3x | where do i get them / how do i install them? |
| 19:10.42 | ma3x | I'm currently running with the ati driver |
| 19:10.47 | ma3x | that xorg has |
| 19:10.57 | ewanm89 | Isaac_Newbton: You could build compiz-settings from http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Compiz-Settings (you'll need compiz-dev) or you could edit it via gconf /apps/compiz |
| 19:10.59 | abrotman | ma3x: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 19:11.14 | abrotman | !tell Isaac_Newbton about search |
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| 19:11.50 | concept10 | ma3x, this is what works for me: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=xserver-xorg-video-ati&searchon=name&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 19:12.04 | Isaac_Newbton | thanks abrotman, I already did that |
| 19:12.30 | ewanm89 | Isaac_Newbton: For more about gconf http://www.go-compiz.org/index.php?title=Gconf-Editor |
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| 19:13.12 | ewanm89 | !tell ewanm89 about search |
| 19:13.16 | Isaac_Newbton | thanks |
| 19:13.24 | concept10 | ma3x, I have the igp340, and I didnt see your whole conversation, but they work for me with compiz and beryl, the proprietary drivers do not support those old chipsets |
| 19:13.27 | ma3x | concept10: xserver-xorg-video-ati is already the newest version. |
| 19:13.31 | ma3x | I already have it |
| 19:13.36 | ma3x | and in xorg.conf it says driver "ati" |
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| 19:13.53 | ma3x | so I'm probably using that one already |
| 19:13.56 | concept10 | are you trying to configure beryl or compiz? |
| 19:14.13 | ma3x | what's compiz what's beryl? |
| 19:14.20 | concept10 | heh |
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| 19:14.52 | ewanm89 | ma3x: Fancy desktop effects when you have your graphic drivers working then ask |
| 19:15.09 | concept10 | ma3x, I thought that was what you were trying to configure, I jumped into middle of conversation |
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| 19:15.34 | stew | ewanm89: please /msg the bot |
| 19:15.37 | ma3x | well I actualy get these errors |
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| 19:15.53 | ma3x | mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x8000000 overlaps existing 0xdbc00000,0x200000 |
| 19:15.53 | ma3x | agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 compliant device at 0000:00:00.0. |
| 19:15.53 | ma3x | agpgart: Putting AGP V2 device at 0000:00:00.0 into 4x mode |
| 19:16.04 | ma3x | and sometimes I think that freezes my computer |
| 19:16.11 | concept10 | oh |
| 19:16.14 | ma3x | and stuf flike mtrr: no more MTRRs available |
| 19:16.24 | ma3x | or [drm] Setting GART location based on new memory map |
| 19:16.24 | ma3x | [drm] writeback test succeeded in 1 usecs |
| 19:16.30 | concept10 | that doesnt look like error to me, but you can turn that off |
| 19:16.37 | ma3x | how? |
| 19:16.50 | concept10 | man radeon tells you all about it |
| 19:17.05 | concept10 | but I will be nice and give you a link |
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| 19:17.39 | ma3x | ok great... |
| 19:18.34 | concept10 | ma3x, http://www.free3d.org/ |
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| 19:19.05 | concept10 | ma3x, I hate man pages just like anyone else, but the X man pages are great stuff |
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| 19:19.18 | nn-fire | Hi, I am trying to get data off a iomega ditto 250 tape drive. it is connected threw the floppy cable but reading fd0 does nothing ;;; can some one help me?? |
| 19:19.19 | Harzilein | hating manpages? _why_? |
| 19:19.25 | ewanm89 | concept10: Do you use both compiz and beryl then |
| 19:19.34 | Harzilein | it's better then fscking _html docs_ |
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| 19:19.45 | concept10 | ewanm89, I have it installed, but I dont turn it on |
| 19:19.56 | ma3x | concept10: could you explain me in a few words how should I proceed? step 1. should I install drivers that are called beryl and compiz? |
| 19:19.59 | ewanm89 | concept10: Don't turn either on? |
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| 19:20.19 | ewanm89 | ma3x: Ignore Beryl and Compiz |
| 19:20.23 | ma3x | ok.... |
| 19:20.36 | I-kido | Wiki confuses me by the following lines: |
| 19:20.37 | I-kido | Alternatively, the last line can read: |
| 19:20.37 | I-kido | exec dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session |
| 19:21.06 | I-kido | but if what happens I should use this in the script? |
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| 19:21.22 | concept10 | ma3x, in your xorg.conf, you look for "AGPMode" and "AGPFastWrite" the man page "radeon" lists the options clearly |
| 19:21.35 | undesktop | that reminds me... how to start gnome-session and wait until it has initialized? |
| 19:21.52 | I-kido | hmm |
| 19:21.56 | ewanm89 | I-kido: What wiki, script are you talking about |
| 19:22.05 | I-kido | for beryl sorry |
| 19:22.20 | jahshua | arghhh :/ dpkg-reconfigure didnt work.. its telling me default font 'cursor' not found .. so i need to reinstall my 'cursor' somehow? installing artwiz-cursor must have wiped it? |
| 19:22.46 | ewanm89 | I-kido: OK use beryl-manager |
| 19:22.46 | ma3x | concept10: and then turn them off? |
| 19:22.58 | I-kido | http://wiki.beryl-project.org/index.php/Install/Ubuntu/Edgy/AiGLX |
| 19:23.07 | concept10 | ma3x, look at the man page |
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| 19:23.33 | I-kido | ewanm89: for starting beryl session instead of gnoem |
| 19:23.42 | I-kido | gnome* lol |
| 19:23.44 | stew | concept10: please don't do that |
| 19:23.52 | concept10 | stew, do what? |
| 19:23.59 | stew | concept10: use unneccesary spaces |
| 19:24.02 | jahshua | im going to cry, i have done this before.. i dont know why i tried to install the damned artwiz cursor, it always messes up my xorg.conf !! |
| 19:24.05 | jahshua | :/ |
| 19:24.44 | jahshua | what can i do about my cursor issue? |
| 19:24.50 | ma3x | concept10: and I will also specify driver "radeon" instead of "ati" in xorg.conf. correct me if im wrong |
| 19:24.55 | jahshua | is there a dpkg command for my cursor? |
| 19:25.02 | I-kido | jahshua: icon and xorg.conf ? |
| 19:25.08 | I-kido | i mean cursor |
| 19:25.28 | stew | jahshua: if you think the artwiz-cursor package is messing you up, check the bts for artwiz-cursor |
| 19:25.38 | concept10 | ma3x, do this: lsmod | grep radeon .. give me output |
| 19:25.41 | jahshua | i tried to install artwiz-cursor and it hosed my /etc/X11/xorg.conf and now gdm and X wont load. |
| 19:25.52 | I-kido | jahshua: put the cursor theme in ~/.icons thats all |
| 19:26.02 | ewanm89 | I-kido: start gnome then start Beryl Manager |
| 19:26.04 | concept10 | ma3x, nevermind the output, does it list radeon somewhere? |
| 19:26.13 | nzjunky | max3d: Read the following on link http://forum.cinefacts.de/showthread.php?t=168859 (German) for compix or beryl on etch |
| 19:26.15 | I-kido | ok tnx ewanm89 |
| 19:26.17 | jahshua | I-kido my xserver is borked. |
| 19:26.27 | jahshua | i have tried dpkg-reconfigure it too. |
| 19:26.41 | ma3x | concept10: yes |
| 19:26.43 | ma3x | radeon 99744 2 |
| 19:26.43 | ma3x | drm 61332 3 radeon |
| 19:27.17 | I-kido | jahshua: did you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg |
| 19:27.49 | stew | jahshua: what version of artwiz-cursor is installed? |
| 19:28.19 | I-kido | how can a cursor mess up xorg.conf? I'm confused.. |
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| 19:28.30 | jahshua | yes i just tried that. |
| 19:28.35 | hark | jahshua: if you think it's due to the cursors, try update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 19:28.40 | jahshua | stew i removed it. |
| 19:28.45 | jahshua | ok hark. |
| 19:28.51 | knight | why cant i play songs when im a normal user and not root on debian etch? |
| 19:29.01 | knight | in xmms |
| 19:29.02 | concept10 | ma3x, okay - you need to edit the file "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" - You will see "AGPFastWrite" "on" (or off) set it where you want it, and "AGPMode" "1" (or something else, this is the AGP rate... it may be 1 2 4 or 8 |
| 19:29.16 | justin | knight: restate that question without the double negatives? |
| 19:29.17 | stew | jahshua: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:29.36 | justin | jahshua: read your X log file |
| 19:29.54 | knight | i cant play songs mp3s as normal user , but when im root i can do it |
| 19:29.57 | jahshua | i am, it just says cant open 'cursor' font .. whatever that means. |
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| 19:30.17 | knight | justin, in xmms |
| 19:30.18 | justin | knight: add your user to the audio group? |
| 19:30.24 | ma3x | concept10: so if I set it to 1, I will still have 3d acceleration? |
| 19:31.14 | jahshua | can i just remove xserver-xorg and reinstall it? |
| 19:31.32 | jahshua | i have had this happen before and i was never able to fix it. |
| 19:31.35 | concept10 | ma3x, im not sure what starts/stops 3d acceleration, thats over my head |
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| 19:31.39 | nzjunky | knight: You can check on console by the command groups if you are a member of the audio group |
| 19:31.43 | stew | jahshua: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:31.49 | jahshua | sid |
| 19:31.52 | knight | justin, but i cant test audio in the multimedia systems selector as a normal user |
| 19:31.53 | rgsteele | Ahoy hoy |
| 19:31.56 | knight | justin, how can i do it? |
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| 19:32.13 | jahshua | this only happens because of that damned artwiz cursor, i dont know why i tried to install it! |
| 19:32.17 | jahshua | argh, im dumb. |
| 19:32.22 | stew | knight: adduser username audio; logout, then log back in |
| 19:32.35 | jahshua | i hate artwiz cursor! :/ |
| 19:32.41 | concept10 | heh |
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| 19:32.55 | bonez39 | if I make a change to my /etc/hosts file..how do I get my system to recognize the changes? |
| 19:32.55 | justin | jahshua: remove that cursor, try reinstalling xfonts-base |
| 19:33.07 | ewanm89 | jahshua: I remember having this problem install all other artwizand cursor packages |
| 19:33.20 | jahshua | what other cursor packages? |
| 19:33.36 | stew | jahshua: if this is reproducable, file a bug |
| 19:34.01 | dkr | bonez39: that should beit. the file is read by libresolv for each lookup. the only problem might be somthign like fierfox that caches dns responses tiself, so you have to restart any apps like that |
| 19:34.01 | ewanm89 | jahshua: Any that have cursor or atwiz in their name |
| 19:34.02 | stew | jahshua: you might try purging xserver-xorg and/or x11-common |
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| 19:34.25 | bonez39 | dkr, I can't load firefox and get it to open any pages on the net |
| 19:34.30 | jahshua | purging? ok.. |
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| 19:36.14 | knight | :) thats cols |
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| 19:37.26 | mindframe | is there any package that will install a bunch of libnet-*-perl packages in one go? |
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| 19:38.20 | stew | mindframe: if there was, "apt-cache rdepends libnet-foo-perl" would tell you (for some value of foo) |
| 19:38.24 | justin | mindframe: apt-get install libnet-.*-perl ? |
| 19:38.48 | jahshua | argh |
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| 19:38.57 | ma3x | concept10: it works thanks! |
| 19:38.59 | jahshua | okay im going to re-install. :/ |
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| 19:39.05 | stew | jahshua: why? |
| 19:39.14 | knight | stew, thanks |
| 19:39.16 | knight | : |
| 19:39.19 | knight | ) |
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| 19:39.48 | jahshua | stew because i have no clue how to fix this, i have tried to dpkg-reconfigure it and i dont have a clue what to do. |
| 19:39.57 | stew | jahshua: did you try purging? did you check the bts? |
| 19:39.57 | jahshua | i dont know how to purge. |
| 19:40.04 | jahshua | no. |
| 19:40.10 | stew | jahshua: you should probably be sticking with stable or maybe testing and not sid |
| 19:40.37 | jahshua | i was on sid for the past 6 months, i am a noob but im generally fine.. i just shouldnt have tried to install those damned fonts. |
| 19:40.43 | jahshua | err cursor. |
| 19:40.57 | concept10 | ma3x, what did you set it to? |
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| 19:41.11 | stew | jahshua: you shouldnt' be running sid. especially if you aren't going to know to check the bts on your own or don't know how to do basic things like purge packages |
| 19:41.50 | jahshua | i understand your point. |
| 19:42.07 | jahshua | i dont usually do very technical things though, so im generally fine. |
| 19:42.11 | ma3x | concept10: I changed the driver from ati to redeaon and i turned off agpfastwrite and set agpmode to 1 |
| 19:42.13 | jahshua | stupid cursor. |
| 19:42.15 | concept10 | jahshua, so you have no mouse cursors? |
| 19:42.19 | hark | jahshua: the update-alternatives not give you another choice? |
| 19:42.24 | jahshua | no |
| 19:42.33 | Nyle | concept10: hmm |
| 19:42.45 | hark | hmm, must be for something else |
| 19:43.01 | concept10 | Nyle, hmm what? |
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| 19:43.21 | Waris | meh |
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| 19:43.25 | concept10 | Nyle, dont try to stalk me on here, I will call police |
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| 19:43.48 | Nyle | huh |
| 19:43.52 | Nyle | what? |
| 19:43.56 | stew | jahshua: it appears that the artwiz-cursor package is being removed from debian for this reason |
| 19:44.10 | Nyle | concept10: do I know you? |
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| 19:44.12 | stew | jahshua: it has already been removed from testing for htis reason |
| 19:44.27 | jahshua | okay, i see. |
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| 19:45.02 | concept10 | Nyle, you addressed me |
| 19:45.14 | Nyle | oh yeah |
| 19:45.18 | knight | #emacs |
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| 19:45.42 | Nyle | I got a 4 minute long rythem tracks with synth and drums recorded, with riffage in E minor progressions and now I'm trying to record a solo |
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| 19:45.53 | Nyle | concept10: you know where I can score backing tracks for rock/metal music? |
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| 19:46.02 | tempest2k4 | whats best way to copy all the files on a mounted filesystem to another keeping all user and other file infomation ? |
| 19:46.05 | concept10 | haha |
| 19:46.08 | Nyle | concept10: I tried rosegarden but it made no sense |
| 19:46.29 | smimp | tempest2k4: check out rsync? |
| 19:46.33 | concept10 | I didnt know who it was until I saw that post |
| 19:46.35 | stew | tempest2k4: cp -a |
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| 19:46.43 | Nyle | concept10: who else could it be! |
| 19:46.45 | rapi747fr | hi all |
| 19:46.55 | concept10 | Ive never seen that name before |
| 19:47.03 | tempest2k4 | k thanks |
| 19:47.15 | stoned | !seen Nyle |
| 19:47.16 | dpkg | nyle <n=stoned@ip72-192-123-56.ok.ok.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 33s ago, saying: 'concept10: who else could it be!'. |
| 19:47.17 | rapi747fr | i'm looking for a data recovery .... |
| 19:47.36 | rapi747fr | someone could help me? |
| 19:47.44 | stoned | rapi747fr: what happened? |
| 19:47.53 | zamuro | !ask |
| 19:47.53 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:47.54 | smimp | stew: that the same thing as rsync -av pretty much? |
| 19:47.54 | concept10 | stoned, I never used Rosegarden, but ardour2 works, I also have the Jokosher trunk installed |
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| 19:48.09 | tempest2k4 | will cp -a mess up when it comes to symbolic links |
| 19:48.10 | jahshua | okay, im going to reinstall. |
| 19:48.13 | jahshua | bye folks. |
| 19:48.14 | concept10 | stoned, have you ever tried ardour2? |
| 19:48.17 | stew | tempest2k4: man cp |
| 19:48.17 | stoned | concept10: I'm deciding weather to make my other machine a dedicated recording usnit |
| 19:48.20 | jahshua | thanks for trying to help. |
| 19:48.21 | stoned | unit* |
| 19:48.30 | stew | smimp: no, cp does not try to be smart like rsync |
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| 19:48.46 | stoned | no i have not but i'll try it |
| 19:48.57 | rapi747fr | stoned i have made a zcat bzimage on /dev/sda.... |
| 19:49.00 | concept10 | stoned, you should give that energy application a go on linux |
| 19:49.03 | raxip | sup? |
| 19:49.07 | cokeslut | Hi |
| 19:49.09 | phisher1 | Hello |
| 19:49.12 | rapi747fr | so i have lost my data |
| 19:49.21 | concept10 | stoned, they have a new release out |
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| 19:49.23 | stoned | rapi747fr: i have no idea what that means |
| 19:49.25 | foyleaber | When I login to my system, I access SSH with an ip .. however, when I am logged in and everything I am identified as user@some.domain.com .. How can I modify this? |
| 19:49.26 | stoned | concept10: linkage/ |
| 19:49.28 | cokeslut | I'll find out |
| 19:49.28 | raxip | ? |
| 19:49.29 | phisher1 | I'll think about it |
| 19:49.37 | rapi747fr | stoned i have erase my partition.... |
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| 19:49.46 | justin | rapi747fr: what exactly did you type |
| 19:49.48 | rapi747fr | so i m looking for a data recovery |
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| 19:49.58 | stew | foyleaber: modify what exactly? |
| 19:50.01 | mkns | foyleaber: what do you mean by 'identified' ? |
| 19:50.02 | concept10 | stoned, http://www.energy-xt.com/ get energyxt2 core |
| 19:50.05 | Guerin | foyleaber: that's reverse dns. If you control name service for the ip you're working from, you can change it. Otherwise you can't. |
| 19:50.26 | foyleaber | Ah ok, I can control name servers so I'll look into it |
| 19:50.40 | foyleaber | I think it's causing some mySQL permission/host issues, but I might be wrong |
| 19:50.43 | concept10 | *thinking |
| 19:51.05 | stew | foyleaber: "whois 1.2.3.4" where 1.2.3.4 is the ip address will tell you who controls the rdns for those ips and should give you an email address of someone to contact |
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| 19:51.11 | rapi747fr | justin, zcat image.gz > /dev/sda |
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| 19:51.39 | rapi747fr | i m stupid i know.... |
| 19:51.41 | justin | rapi747fr: gzip -l image.gz, how big is the uncompressed data? |
| 19:51.45 | bbelt16a2 | hey opeeps what the new name for ethereal? |
| 19:51.52 | bbelt16a2 | shark something? |
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| 19:52.07 | rapi747fr | Jussi, 250M debian SID installer for USB KEY |
| 19:52.35 | stoned | concept10: i'll check it but here is what I want to do. http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/e-min-rythem.mp3 and I want to record over this |
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| 19:52.42 | justin | rapi747fr: oops |
| 19:52.51 | rapi747fr | justin, oops? |
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| 19:52.54 | stew | bbelt16a2: apt-cache search ethereal |
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| 19:53.06 | hark | wireshark |
| 19:53.11 | bbelt16a2 | ok ty |
| 19:53.15 | bbelt16a2 | see? |
| 19:53.21 | stoned | concept10: I've got the leads in my head and I know what I'll do with it, but I've decided I can't keep booting windows everytime I need to record, as I've got stuff running on linux that I need. So I've decided to setup a debian based recording unit. |
| 19:53.24 | defcon8 | is there a non-free repo for amd64? |
| 19:53.33 | stew | defcon8: yes |
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| 19:53.48 | defcon8 | stew, could you tell me what I need to add to my sources.list please? |
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| 19:54.00 | stew | defcon8: where it says "main" make it say "main non-free" |
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| 19:54.06 | stoned | concept10: now you _need_ (please =D ) to tell me all you know about recording and pref. debian packages but if I have to build something I guess I could |
| 19:54.26 | stoned | concept10: check out the track, its not as clean as I'd like but its something |
| 19:54.34 | defcon8 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.uk.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:54.35 | concept10 | stoned, you need a multitrack app like ardour2 or even try jokosher |
| 19:54.38 | justin | stoned: ardour, joshoker |
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| 19:54.56 | khaleel5000 | Hi , I have debian etch ,I wanna modify the services that start on my system , I am following this how to,http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7393 but I dont seem to have chkconfig which package has it ? |
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| 19:55.20 | stew | dpkg: tell khaleel5000 about red hat tools |
| 19:55.55 | stoned | concept10: I need something I can push pedal tones with, like for following chord progressions's chord changes with pedal tones so I need some sort of a synth app for linux too |
| 19:56.00 | dkr | khaleel5000: chkconfig is a redhat thing. update-rc.d is the script debian uses to modify run levels for various ini scripts |
| 19:56.03 | khaleel5000 | stew: thannks very much |
| 19:56.08 | khaleel5000 | dkr: thanks |
| 19:56.30 | concept10 | stoned, I experiment with Linux music apps, but I never do music with them, the hassle is too great |
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| 19:56.31 | dkr | khaleel5000: or you could simply aptitude remove package to stop it from running, :) |
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| 19:56.36 | defcon8 | justin:/# apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 19:56.42 | defcon8 | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 19:56.42 | defcon8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.43 | defcon8 | hmm? |
| 19:57.07 | stoned | concept10: well I've got a copy of fruity loops on windows, of course I can acquire whatever software need be aquired in order to accomplish what I set out to do |
| 19:57.10 | stew | !info nvidia-kernel-common etch |
| 19:57.12 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-common: (NVIDIA binary kernel module common files), section contrib/x11, is optional. Version: 20051028+1 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 19:57.13 | justin | defcon8: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 19:57.18 | defcon8 | I tried |
| 19:57.22 | stew | defcon8: you need to add contrib as well |
| 19:57.22 | stoned | concept10: but booting to windows is an inconvenience in itself |
| 19:57.24 | defcon8 | it said it had no installation candidate |
| 19:57.27 | defcon8 | stew, thanks |
| 19:57.36 | concept10 | stoned, Nothings truly complete on Linux. You have to select what fits your purposes. Some programs have good audio (ardour2) some have MIDI (rosegrarden) but like I said, none are complete |
| 19:58.09 | stoned | well that sucks |
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| 19:58.21 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:58.25 | concept10 | stoned, but im also a bystander, like I said, I never do music on Linux - but Im getting familiar with the apps |
| 19:58.33 | stoned | I got windows xp working in Virtual Box |
| 19:58.42 | stoned | sound is good too, I dunno how that affects latency |
| 19:58.54 | stoned | I could run the w32 software there I guess |
| 19:58.57 | concept10 | stoned, have you tried Jokosher, Ardour or energyXT2? |
| 19:59.00 | stoned | not yet |
| 19:59.05 | stoned | I'm on the website still |
| 19:59.14 | concept10 | give em a shot if you want to be on linux |
| 19:59.20 | stoned | what are they |
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| 20:00.05 | concept10 | stoned, dont complain about the complexity either, all sequencer worth anything take some getting used to |
| 20:00.30 | raf256 | how can I truncate a file? |
| 20:00.39 | abrotman | truncate it .. where ? |
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| 20:00.55 | raf256 | I have 5 GB file, I want to truncate it to have 4 GB |
| 20:00.58 | abrotman | first 20 lines? 1/2 of it? |
| 20:01.06 | concept10 | stoned, I cant test recording on this laptop, I have no proper input |
| 20:01.08 | raf256 | binary file, truncate to xxx bytes |
| 20:01.09 | abrotman | raf256: split |
| 20:01.29 | concept10 | stoned, wait, im going to try headphones |
| 20:01.34 | raf256 | not realy, there is not enought room |
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| 20:01.39 | stoned | concept10: this is how I did the rythem so far. Make drums in hydrogen, export in wav, import in audacity. Then I've got a set of pedal tone WAV files in the key of C, like ABCDEFG (no accidentals) so I use cut and paste to put those there with the chord changes (I have to stay in Amin). Then I record the riffs over drums, and start to cut and paste the pedal tones for a synth type effect |
| 20:01.53 | jahshua | whats the default cursor in Debian? |
| 20:01.55 | stoned | concept10: its all rigged but I would like a single app cabaple of doing all this |
| 20:01.58 | jahshua | can i reinstall it? |
| 20:02.03 | raf256 | file is 5 GB, on a 6 GB filesystem, I want to reduce it to 4 GB, howto? |
| 20:02.08 | concept10 | stoned, also, energyxt2 is easy to get working - check it out http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1ep4.png |
| 20:02.23 | tralala | raf256, you want to reduce it? What kind of a file is it? |
| 20:02.33 | raf256 | tralala: binary |
| 20:03.04 | abrotman | raf256: split! |
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| 20:03.45 | raf256 | abrotman: as I said there is no room to save the splited chunk |
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| 20:04.00 | abrotman | make some |
| 20:04.13 | raf256 | abrotman: no way |
| 20:04.26 | raf256 | it seems it would be faster to just write C program to do it... |
| 20:04.48 | concept10 | stoned, that earlier post you made is a real incovenience, I could never work that way |
| 20:04.53 | raf256 | !bitchslaps file-utils |
| 20:05.04 | stoned | concept10: well duh lol hehe |
| 20:05.18 | stoned | concept10: hence my reasong for bugging you for easier ways |
| 20:05.30 | raf256 | there really is no truncate program? can I donate it into file-utils? |
| 20:05.37 | concept10 | stoned, its like this: make drum track - SOLO track - Hit E export - next track repeat with another instrument |
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| 20:06.30 | tralala | raf256, so you want to cut it's end? |
| 20:06.49 | mongolito | spanish people?????? |
| 20:06.51 | concept10 | stoned, thats why you get frustrated - thats too much pain |
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| 20:07.00 | mongolito | kiero que me hablen en españo0ooooooooooooooooooooooool |
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| 20:07.04 | stoned | concept10: last time I was already pissed at windows |
| 20:07.05 | stew | !es |
| 20:07.05 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:07.17 | stoned | concept10: but linux handles my sound better than windows for some reason |
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| 20:07.23 | stoned | at least on the input side anyway |
| 20:07.24 | mongolito | sto es una mierda con windows no pasan estas cosas |
| 20:07.28 | stoned | its a lot clearer to begin with |
| 20:07.33 | stoned | and usually no latency either |
| 20:07.34 | Ilovemypuppy | stoned, what card? |
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| 20:07.45 | stoned | ich8r chipset, realtek hd onboard |
| 20:07.47 | concept10 | stoned, hydrogen is nice, but it has the one big flaw |
| 20:07.57 | stoned | concept10: static tempo? |
| 20:08.01 | Ilovemypuppy | wow - thats surprising, but a nice suprise |
| 20:08.02 | stoned | it pisses me off |
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| 20:08.17 | concept10 | stoned, you have to load a whole drum kit, you cant load individual samples |
| 20:08.24 | stoned | concept10: that too |
| 20:08.32 | stoned | so just make a REALLY gigantic kit :) |
| 20:08.36 | Ilovemypuppy | thats what pro tools is for |
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| 20:08.47 | Ilovemypuppy | virtual drummer and all |
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| 20:10.10 | concept10 | stoned, okay, see the problem with linux is that all of the good stuff is in VST format, and you have a couple to ways to run them on linux - Native windows apps on top of wine, and compiled for linux |
| 20:10.28 | concept10 | the problem with compiled for linux is that none of the good stuff is opened up for a port |
| 20:10.50 | concept10 | its just too many missing pieces |
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| 20:11.01 | stoned | concept10: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/beats |
| 20:11.06 | dr1v3r | guys what package would you recommend i use for setting up VPS? |
| 20:11.12 | stoned | concept10: thats what I've done with hydrogen so far |
| 20:11.22 | stoned | concept10: I have not really messed with it too much |
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| 20:11.44 | concept10 | stoned, I had hope for energyXT2, but it doesnt load native windows VSTs, they have to be compiled for linux |
| 20:12.32 | concept10 | stoned, have you downloaded it yet? |
| 20:12.40 | stoned | concept10: I don't even know what a vst is. I want nothing more than to create a backing track for my guitar stuff. I just a beat sequencer and a synth effects processor. |
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| 20:12.50 | stoned | concept10: I also need to get the di box |
| 20:12.56 | stoned | concept10: not yet |
| 20:12.57 | stoned | on it |
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| 20:13.24 | stoned | its not free |
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| 20:13.29 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, i'v got some problem with an udev rule, don't you know a good forum where I could post an have an answer ? |
| 20:13.31 | claudemir | hi gurus |
| 20:13.58 | concept10 | stoned, a VST is a Virtual Studio Technology instrument or effect. It could be a drum synth, sampler, strings, piano, compressor, guitar rack, all of this stuff |
| 20:14.47 | stoned | ahh cool |
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| 20:14.57 | stoned | its like those mini stomp boxes |
| 20:15.08 | stoned | 40 bucks for whatever kind of effect, and you can chain em together |
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| 20:15.22 | stoned | I used to have a couple of boss ones and a few dod ones |
| 20:15.30 | concept10 | stoned, they have VST effects that emulate all kind of guitar pedals, bass, effects, cabinets, etc |
| 20:15.36 | stoned | damn |
| 20:15.43 | claudemir | i´m with a problem the QOS. I ´m using the HTB, but no success! When i executed the following line: tc filter add dev eth1 parent 1:0 protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip src 192.168.1.0/24 match ip dst 192.168.1.254/24" |
| 20:15.52 | enouf | raf256: can't you just chop off the end with a hexeditor? |
| 20:15.54 | concept10 | stoned, okay, im going to get you a good link |
| 20:15.57 | Ilovemypuppy | gotta deal with the BZZZZ caused by those damned petals |
| 20:15.59 | Ilovemypuppy | pedal |
| 20:16.00 | claudemir | occurreid the error message: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 20:16.00 | claudemir | We have an error talking to the kernel |
| 20:16.03 | stoned | concept10: just got energyxt |
| 20:16.09 | claudemir | any idea? |
| 20:16.28 | raf256 | enouf: I will write C program to do it |
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| 20:16.50 | kim0 | Hi, does anyone know how the "mask" entry in Linux's acl, help protect permissions from acl un-aware applications ?! |
| 20:16.55 | concept10 | stoned, that beat was fast! |
| 20:17.00 | stoned | concept10: whoah its a precompiled binary executable |
| 20:17.02 | stoned | concept10: which one? |
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| 20:17.13 | raf256 | kim0: there are no "ACL unaware apps". kernel denies application to access the file |
| 20:17.23 | concept10 | stoned, us2.waw |
| 20:17.24 | raf256 | kim0: unless you would use some very old kernel etc |
| 20:17.32 | stoned | concept10: well I play fast I need a faster beat. Playing fast on slow beats with same time is not cool |
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| 20:17.44 | kim0 | raf256: so, why is that "mask" field there ? |
| 20:17.47 | claudio` | hola |
| 20:17.55 | concept10 | stoned, what bpm do you like, I will make you some beats today |
| 20:17.59 | kim0 | raf256: that's the only explanation I could find! |
| 20:18.02 | raf256 | kim0: dont remember, read man on acl / chacl |
| 20:18.26 | enouf | raf256: you run osx too? or no |
| 20:18.27 | stoned | concept10: dude it seems like its slow for my tastes its not fast at all |
| 20:18.30 | concept10 | stoned, that energyext2 runs on wine |
| 20:18.36 | claudio` | Xorg or XFree86? |
| 20:18.36 | raf256 | enouf: osx? no |
| 20:18.41 | kim0 | it just says mask is the maximum permission bound |
| 20:18.47 | enouf | raf256: ok .. good .. just checking :-P |
| 20:18.52 | claudio` | I'm reading about Xorg (xserver-xorg) but seems to be unstable. |
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| 20:19.01 | tempest2k4 | how can i copy a root filesystem when i do it give me errors when i try and boot from it about device files and such ? |
| 20:19.06 | stoned | concept10: I think its on 160 |
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| 20:19.15 | Ilovemypuppy | would be super nice to be able to run cubase or protools with wine |
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| 20:19.18 | enouf | af256ray ottagay eepkay itway onway ethay owdownlay |
| 20:19.25 | enouf | :-p |
| 20:19.37 | stoned | concept10: well lately I've kinda worked up 6 string arpeggio sweeping to 232 clean and 240 sloppy |
| 20:19.53 | stoned | in triplets |
| 20:19.59 | concept10 | stoned, look at this link: http://waves.com/content.aspx?id=93 |
| 20:20.02 | raf256 | enouf: wtf |
| 20:20.03 | stoned | ok |
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| 20:20.11 | enouf | raf256: piglatin |
| 20:20.23 | raf256 | enouf: huh? are you high |
| 20:20.29 | stoned | whoah |
| 20:20.31 | raf256 | anyone knows what is enouf about? ;) |
| 20:20.31 | rahul | heh |
| 20:20.33 | stoned | dude awecome! |
| 20:20.34 | rahul | no, sonted is |
| 20:20.45 | enouf | raf256: I'm proud of myself b/c I found some precompiled scripts |
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| 20:21.09 | raf256 | ywh aer yuo all wirittgn in scuh way? |
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| 20:21.23 | stoned | omg! |
| 20:21.33 | enouf | raf256: not dumbass, not tardwrites .. but piglatin ;-) |
| 20:21.34 | raf256 | what the hell |
| 20:21.34 | concept10 | stoned, http://waves.com/content.aspx?id=2590 watch the video on right |
| 20:21.37 | stoned | now if this was a REAL cabinet that would be sweet |
| 20:21.41 | raf256 | get off me stoned , I have no weed |
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| 20:22.05 | enouf | raf256: but trust me, I own't do that often |
| 20:22.20 | enouf | er won't |
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| 20:22.39 | pipegeek | Hey hey. So, I just installed qt4 for the first time on etch, along with qt4-designer. Thing is, it shows up entirely in black---black text on black buttons on a black background. Is there a theme package that libqt4 should have pulled in, or is x misconfigured, or what? |
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| 20:22.43 | stoned | concept10: holy shizboo ! |
| 20:22.59 | stoned | that was a clean sound from the computer |
| 20:23.00 | stoned | damn |
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| 20:23.21 | Deimos__ | hi |
| 20:24.09 | claudio` | I have a change to install X11 on my laptop? :-) |
| 20:24.14 | claudio` | s/change/chance |
| 20:24.49 | concept10 | stoned, you can run those in energy, there are tons of free good ones |
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| 20:25.04 | stoned | concept10: I got enerxt running |
| 20:25.05 | stoned | now what |
| 20:25.09 | stoned | ##recording? |
| 20:25.14 | concept10 | yep |
| 20:25.34 | pipegeek | Just checked; only appears this way when I'm running kde |
| 20:25.39 | pipegeek | very annoying. |
| 20:25.57 | Deimos__ | is it possible in a shellscript to modify the character of the end of the command echo, i don't want a carriage return to each command echo =\ ? |
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| 20:27.16 | justin | Deimos__: are you asking a question that is covered in the echo man page? |
| 20:27.30 | Harzilein | Deimos__: use printf |
| 20:27.44 | stew | Deimos__: echo -n |
| 20:27.44 | Harzilein | Deimos__: it is the only portable way of doing what you want |
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| 20:27.57 | claudio` | Can't i install Xorg from an official mirror using apt-get? |
| 20:28.01 | Harzilein | stew: is undefined in posix |
| 20:28.09 | Deimos__ | ty =) |
| 20:28.10 | justin | claudio`: are you using a debian release that includes xorg? |
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| 20:28.33 | claudio` | i've installed debian from a net disk |
| 20:28.47 | Ilovemypuppy | I usually use the netinstall |
| 20:28.55 | Guerin | claudio`: /msg dpkg which version |
| 20:28.55 | Ilovemypuppy | I dont know if thats what youmena |
| 20:29.05 | stew | Harzilein: doesn't matter |
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| 20:29.13 | Ilovemypuppy | I love the netinstalls, but damn those daily builds are a roll of the dice |
| 20:29.26 | stew | Harzilein: for instance: dash -c "echo -n foo" |
| 20:29.29 | dondelelcaro | echo -n works in almost any shell that matters. |
| 20:29.39 | stew | and /bin/echo -n works otherwise |
| 20:29.42 | dondelelcaro | and if you really care, you can just use /bin/echo |
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| 20:29.59 | Harzilein | it isn't relevant if it is /bin/echo |
| 20:30.03 | Harzilein | it is still the echo command |
| 20:30.16 | ewanm89 | claudio`: What error message |
| 20:30.21 | Harzilein | and therefor its behaviour if the first argument starts with a - is undefined |
| 20:30.24 | stew | Harzilein: what is a shell for which echo -n won't work? |
| 20:30.27 | claudio` | Guerin: would you know my dpgk version? ;) |
| 20:30.42 | dondelelcaro | stew: there are a few, but you have to go to old unices |
| 20:30.43 | claudio` | ewanm89: no errors.. just the xserver-xorg package is not found |
| 20:30.43 | Guerin | claudio`: how would I, it's *your* computer |
| 20:31.29 | claudio` | Guerin: i've big problems with the english language, yet. Can you do a clean answer, please? |
| 20:31.41 | ewanm89 | claudio`: Pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:32.04 | tralala | claudio`, type "/msg dpkg which version" in your irc software |
| 20:32.06 | Guerin | claudio`: type /mag dpkg what version' in your irc client to find out how to check what you're running |
| 20:32.19 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.37 | Harzilein | public:/home/indy013 $/bin/sh -c 'echo -n foo' |
| 20:32.37 | Harzilein | -n foo |
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| 20:32.59 | claudio` | ok.. i'd get the command |
| 20:33.01 | claudio` | let me run it |
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| 20:33.36 | Harzilein | stew: that's /bin/sh on a still supported aix installation |
| 20:33.51 | JordiGH | Is phpBB insecure? Or is that just hearsay? |
| 20:34.08 | HardDisk_WP | Does anyone know a configuration program for EXIM4?! |
| 20:34.24 | claudio` | this is what i do (with the output).. |
| 20:34.26 | claudio` | claudio@lapnix:~$ apt-cache policy | perl -n -e 'split(/ +/);print($_[3].",")if$_[1]>0'; echo |
| 20:34.28 | claudio` | ,stable/updates/main,stable/main, |
| 20:34.45 | claudio` | ewanm89: i've only the fastweb mirror in my sources.list file |
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| 20:35.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: it has had issues in the past .. but so has lots of other software |
| 20:35.03 | asg | HardDisk_WP: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 20:35.27 | HardDisk_WP | asg, something that lets me configure more than this |
| 20:35.33 | abrotman | asg: came to the sane channel eh ? :) |
| 20:35.36 | HardDisk_WP | asg, I want to configure the SMTP auth |
| 20:35.40 | kitto | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.49 | JordiGH | abrotman, well, of course... Linux has had attempts to be backdoored too... Let me go see what the phpbb bug reports are like. |
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| 20:35.54 | Guerin | kitto: die |
| 20:35.54 | asg | HardDisk_WP: exim.org has great documentation |
| 20:36.05 | zamuro | Coje. |
| 20:36.08 | zamuro | lol |
| 20:36.15 | asg | abrotman: I'm still in there but laying low |
| 20:36.37 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:36.49 | HardDisk_WP | asg, I dont have time to read through tons of manpages, that's the problem |
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| 20:37.11 | asg | HardDisk_WP: then no, there isn't a configura-widget-wizard to help you. |
| 20:37.30 | HardDisk_WP | damned :) |
| 20:37.37 | HardDisk_WP | s/:)/:( |
| 20:37.48 | ewanm89 | claudio`: Add 'deb ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ stable main' to your sources.list |
| 20:38.08 | claudio` | ewanm89: yes.. let me try |
| 20:38.13 | claudio` | but xserver-xorg is correct? |
| 20:38.41 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: have qa look at the files in /etc/exim4, pretty well explained |
| 20:39.06 | claudio` | anyway, nothing |
| 20:39.17 | stew | claudio`: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:39.22 | Guerin | claudio`: if you're running stable, you will have xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:39.23 | bzed | HardDisk_WP: btw, you wan to have youc onfig files splitted into small ones |
| 20:39.27 | claudio` | stew: just i want to install X11 |
| 20:39.28 | bzed | makes things more easy |
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| 20:39.42 | claudio` | Guerin: i've installed xserver-xfree86 but i haven't the startx file. Does ``X'' is what i'm looking for? |
| 20:39.43 | HardDisk_WP | bzed, okay |
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| 20:39.47 | stew | claudio`: do you know which window manager / desktop envirionment you want to run? |
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| 20:39.59 | abrotman | xserver-xorg isn't correct for stable |
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| 20:40.03 | Guerin | claudio`: it's in xbase-clients; install x-window-system-core |
| 20:40.12 | claudio` | stew: uhm.. i'll try xfce4 probably. Why? |
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| 20:40.37 | stew | claudio`: install x-window-system-core and xfce4 |
| 20:40.42 | claudio` | Guerin: yes.. i've found it in the reference manual. I'll read it |
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| 20:40.46 | claudio` | sorry for the noise guys |
| 20:40.48 | claudio` | and THX |
| 20:40.51 | claudio` | :) |
| 20:41.00 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, i just analyze his PHP code |
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| 20:41.16 | HardDisk_WP | a trojan written in PHP... |
| 20:42.17 | JordiGH | Oy. phpBB's bug list is long. :-( |
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| 20:42.26 | satnone | anybody use vsftpd |
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| 20:42.51 | bzed | JordiGH: you don;t want phpBB. too many security holes... too often |
| 20:42.54 | Guerin | !anybody use vsftpd |
| 20:42.54 | dpkg | No, no one uses vsftpd, not even the people who use it. |
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| 20:43.30 | JordiGH | bzed, that's what I heard. So why is it in Debian? |
| 20:43.49 | Guerin | JordiGH: ask the maintainer. |
| 20:43.50 | bzed | JordiGH: why not? |
| 20:43.51 | satnone | does anyone use ftp |
| 20:43.57 | bzed | yes |
| 20:43.59 | HardDisk_WP | !anybody use debian |
| 20:43.59 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:44.00 | zamuro | !anyone use ftp |
| 20:44.01 | dpkg | No, no one uses ftp, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:44.03 | HardDisk_WP | LOLz |
| 20:44.11 | zamuro | hahahahaha |
| 20:44.24 | JordiGH | bzed, well, it certainly shouldn't go into etch. :-) |
| 20:44.26 | satnone | i just be the only person using vsftpd i guess |
| 20:44.30 | zamuro | satnone: ask the friggin question, goddamn it! |
| 20:44.34 | satnone | i cant get help on it anywhere |
| 20:44.42 | bzed | JordiGH: if you need a decent forum for some stuff within an internal network, why not |
| 20:44.47 | ewanm89 | 68 74 74 70satnone: Ask the question |
| 20:44.59 | satnone | hah ok |
| 20:45.01 | satnone | why cant i upload anonymously with vsftpd when i have "anon_upload_enable=yes" |
| 20:45.01 | ewanm89 | satnone: Ask the question |
| 20:45.15 | JordiGH | bzed, Guerin: actually, I just realised that all of the security bugs reported to phpBB are resolved. The remaining ones aren't security-related. |
| 20:45.17 | Guerin | satnone: because you have something configured wrong. |
| 20:45.27 | satnone | o ok thanx |
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| 20:45.39 | pickcoder | JordiGH: there's always PHP to keep the bug list supplied |
| 20:45.44 | zamuro | LOL |
| 20:45.47 | bzed | JordiGH: but there're new ones way too often imho :\ |
| 20:45.47 | Guerin | satnone: you need to define an anonymous writable space |
| 20:45.57 | Guerin | stew: man vsftpd.conf has the skinny |
| 20:46.02 | bzed | JordiGH: and it's php, so there're always bugs :D |
| 20:46.07 | stew | Guerin: oh yeah? |
| 20:46.07 | ewanm89 | !satnonestrike Guerin |
| 20:46.08 | Guerin | bah, he done gone |
| 20:46.20 | ewanm89 | %satnonestrike Guerin |
| 20:46.43 | JordiGH | !penixstrike ewanm89 |
| 20:46.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ewanm89 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:47.08 | bzed | JordiGH: http://www.pocoo.org/ that's what I'd use if I'd ahve to setup a new forum. I'm running some tikiwiki, too, but they're behind some apache auth, so chances to do bad stuff in there are not as high as with a noremal install |
| 20:47.50 | ewanm89 | JordiGH: Anyone can do penix strikes I wanted to do a satnone strike |
| 20:47.53 | JordiGH | But is it in Debian? |
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| 20:48.29 | JordiGH | ewanm89, I think you can write your own rule for the kind of strike you may want, or perhaps you need admin privileges to do it. |
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| 20:49.02 | bzed | JordiGH: i don;t think so. but I usually prefer not to use debian packages for web stuff |
| 20:49.16 | JordiGH | bzed, I prefer to use Debian packages for everything. :-) |
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| 20:49.40 | JordiGH | If it's free software, it belongs in Debian. :-) |
| 20:51.19 | ewanm89 | 68 74 74 70 3AJordiGH: It was done earlier with a different bot |
| 20:51.26 | ewanm89 | JordiGH: It was done earlier with a different bot |
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| 20:52.04 | chovy | how do i search for a pkg to install? |
| 20:52.08 | JordiGH | ewanm89, Oh, yeah? Could your other bot do this? |
| 20:52.14 | JordiGH | !knoppixstrike ewanm89 |
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| 20:52.29 | JordiGH | Uh. |
| 20:52.30 | stew | JordiGH: ewanm89: please go to #debian-bots to play with the bots |
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| 20:52.56 | PaSurf | is there a way to restore the /etc directory from backup? |
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| 20:53.21 | pickcoder | if you have a backup |
| 20:53.27 | pickcoder | that's the critical aspect.. |
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| 20:54.05 | PaSurf | Or, basically, I have deleted the /etc directory, no backup, but its on a testing machine... For the future, other than not deleting the /etc folder, can I restore the /etc from backup.. |
| 20:54.06 | Supaplex | that all depends on your backup. what kind is it? |
| 20:54.22 | pickcoder | er.. no |
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| 20:54.39 | pickcoder | there is no waste basket for "rm /etc/" |
| 20:54.42 | PaSurf | I was messing around with backup-manager .... |
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| 20:55.04 | Supaplex | once it's deleted, kiss it gooooodddbye |
| 20:55.10 | PaSurf | If there where a backup, would that be something I could restore with little problems....? |
| 20:55.22 | PaSurf | or at least minor issues? |
| 20:55.22 | Supaplex | THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT |
| 20:55.23 | abrotman | PaSurf: many people put /etc/ in a control system of some sort |
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| 20:56.12 | pickcoder | abrotman: unless CVS/SVN can recover a missing root tree, how does that help? |
| 20:56.20 | PaSurf | kewl. Seeing how this is a testing machine, no harm done, but always like to be prepared.... |
| 20:56.27 | abrotman | pickcoder: you can check it out? |
| 20:56.33 | jmalicki | pickcoder: you redeploy the machine from scratch |
| 20:56.40 | pickcoder | abrotman: one of 700 files? |
| 20:56.42 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 20:56.43 | chovy | is there an "apt-search" or apt-find? |
| 20:56.43 | jmalicki | like, reinstall, and then check out |
| 20:56.49 | abrotman | pickcoder: all of it! |
| 20:56.50 | jmalicki | chovy: apt-cache search? |
| 20:56.57 | chovy | jmalicki: k |
| 20:57.00 | pickcoder | abrotman: O_o |
| 20:57.01 | pickcoder | okies |
| 20:57.24 | pickcoder | PaSurf: consider setting up a backup machine and rsync your root to it on a daily or even hourly basis |
| 20:57.25 | jmalicki | if you only destroyed one file, you could just svn up |
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| 20:57.39 | jmalicki | dont rsync, you cant roll back |
| 20:57.41 | shining | hi |
| 20:57.42 | jmalicki | thats what svn is for :) |
| 20:58.00 | pickcoder | jmalicki: if all you need is a restore, point, why go through the headache of setting up svn |
| 20:58.06 | shining | is it possible that a web site is accessible from windows, but not from linux ? |
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| 20:58.16 | shining | http://packetstormsecurity.org/ |
| 20:58.21 | pickcoder | to each his own, I guess |
| 20:58.23 | jmalicki | pickcoder: it only takes 10 minutes.... but that is bad if all i need is restore |
| 20:58.27 | Supaplex | shining: which user agent? |
| 20:58.34 | jmalicki | pickcoder: what if i destroy /etc right before an hourly cron job? |
| 20:58.57 | pickcoder | jmalicki: rysnc won't remove files |
| 20:58.59 | PaSurf | pickcoder: I had backup-manager working, but purged the files this morning. I use the machine for testing a getting to know debian. Currently, I have my production deb server backup to remote server, but currently just poking around (a little too much) |
| 20:59.08 | jmalicki | pickcoder: it will pick up edits. |
| 20:59.11 | pickcoder | yes |
| 20:59.13 | shining | Supaplex: debian iceweasel, not sure which user agent it has |
| 20:59.20 | jmalicki | and not removing files is a bug |
| 20:59.25 | jmalicki | for this purpose |
| 20:59.25 | pickcoder | jmalicki: w/e |
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| 21:01.21 | fransmanM | is there a tool availble who does statistics for a apt repository ? |
| 21:01.33 | jmalicki | fransmanM: statistics.. like? |
| 21:01.53 | jmalicki | apt-cache stats has some stuff....? |
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| 21:02.15 | fransmanM | how many time's your software is used / downloaded |
| 21:02.18 | jmalicki | ah |
| 21:02.28 | Gnea | okay, some newbie shit suggested that my motherboard battery died because my system hwclock keeps getting set wrong... i bought a brand new battery for it at Fry's and it's doing the same thing. it's something to do with hwclock.sh and hwclockfirst.sh and setting the wrong time to the bios clock... it's time to file a new bug |
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| 21:02.36 | Supaplex | shining: I know they block wget, but I'm not fetching any content with firefox or konqueror |
| 21:02.53 | jmalicki | gnea: is it getting set to UTC? |
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| 21:03.06 | Guerin | Supaplex: tell wget to use an ie7 ua |
| 21:03.13 | shining | Supaplex: I just tried to fake user agent in konqueror, it didn't work |
| 21:03.21 | jmalicki | fransman: dunno.... |
| 21:03.22 | shining | Supaplex: using ie6 on winxp |
| 21:03.25 | Supaplex | Guerin: I perfer -u HTTP :) |
| 21:03.29 | jmalicki | fransman: apache logs would be easy enough |
| 21:03.36 | fransmanM | jmalicki thanks |
| 21:03.39 | Guerin | heh |
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| 21:04.09 | shining | nobody can access it? and nobody is on windows right now? |
| 21:04.36 | shining | http://packetstormsecurity.org/ |
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| 21:04.56 | Supaplex | shining: well, this is debian after all... :) |
| 21:05.05 | shining | Supaplex: right ;) |
| 21:05.33 | jmalicki | shining: i can see the site in linux... |
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| 21:06.02 | shining | jmalicki: ah? which browser? |
| 21:06.10 | Gnea | jmalicki: nope |
| 21:06.18 | jmalicki | shining: firefox 1.0.5 |
| 21:06.20 | Gnea | jmalicki: it's totally skewed |
| 21:06.28 | Supaplex | no content from 213.150.45.194 |
| 21:06.32 | Gnea | jmalicki: here's what ntpdate sets: Tue Feb 20 14:05:53 MST 2007 |
| 21:06.40 | shining | jmalicki: which kernel? |
| 21:06.43 | Gnea | jmalicki: here's what hwclock sets: Tue 11 Mar 2008 12:36:04 PM MST -0.656684 seconds |
| 21:06.48 | jmalicki | shining: ah.... 2.6.15 |
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| 21:06.59 | jmalicki | shining: it could be a tcp window scaling thing |
| 21:07.22 | shining | jmalicki: yes, I think I read about some tcp issue, on lkml maybe |
| 21:07.49 | shining | in the recent version of the linux kernel.. I believe |
| 21:07.59 | bzed | shining: try enabling/disabling ECN |
| 21:08.06 | jmalicki | shining: there was an issue with FINs and resends.... but thats probably not it... |
| 21:08.17 | shining | bzed: what's ecn? |
| 21:08.28 | jmalicki | shining: exactly why you should disable it ;) |
| 21:08.38 | jmalicki | explicit congestion notification |
| 21:08.50 | Harzilein | shining: e...? congestion notification |
| 21:09.03 | jmalicki | is there a google bot? |
| 21:09.05 | jmalicki | ? ecn |
| 21:09.11 | Supaplex | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 21:09.12 | jmalicki | google ecn |
| 21:09.27 | bzed | echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 21:09.30 | bzed | to disable it |
| 21:09.40 | Supaplex | no workie here, 1|0 |
| 21:09.56 | jmalicki | window scaling is a very common issue |
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| 21:10.28 | jmalicki | try disabling window scaling |
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| 21:11.13 | shining | tcp_ecn was already set to 0 |
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| 21:13.06 | shining | that was window scaling, indeed |
| 21:13.11 | shining | sudo sh -c "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_window_scaling" did the trick |
| 21:13.37 | shining | that must be the thing I already read about in the past, if it's a very common issue. thanks |
| 21:13.48 | jmalicki | i cant get to packetstorm through another box |
| 21:13.54 | jmalicki | ok |
| 21:14.05 | ircleuser | Hello! I am trying to use KDE through a vnc connection with Debian. Can anyone assist me please? |
| 21:14.05 | jmalicki | the tcp window scaling thing is like... 10 years old? |
| 21:14.09 | jmalicki | maybe only 8? |
| 21:14.14 | jmalicki | its shocking its not fixed by now |
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| 21:15.05 | Guerin | jmalicki: it's not fixed because nobody cares |
| 21:15.10 | Supaplex | jmalicki: ssh -D is a divine thing =) |
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| 21:17.27 | ircleuser | Is that a vnc or KDE question? Am I in the wrong channel? |
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| 21:17.56 | sohmestra | !ask |
| 21:17.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:18.21 | sohmestra | what exactly is the problem? |
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| 21:19.33 | ircleuser | Well, I've got a fresh Debian Etch install, with vncserver and KDE installed, however, Gnome is the default wm, and when I connect with VNC, I get gnome. I've found lots of references for how to fix this on the net, but nothing partaining to Debian, and so the files/methods referred to don't help me |
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| 21:19.56 | ma3x | ACPI: read EC, OB not full |
| 21:19.57 | Acurax | What is the dpkg command to make a .deb package? |
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| 21:20.01 | ma3x | ACPI Exception (evregion-0424): AE_TIME, Returned by Handler for [EmbeddedControl] [20060707] |
| 21:20.01 | ma3x | ACPI Exception (dswexec-0458): AE_TIME, While resolving operands for [OpcodeName unavailable] [20060707] |
| 21:20.01 | ma3x | ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.ISA_.EC0_._Q20] (Node c1862b1c), AE_TIME |
| 21:20.03 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 21:20.06 | Guerin | Acurax: /msg dpkg mg |
| 21:20.14 | Acurax | ty |
| 21:20.16 | Guerin | ma3x: that's you pasting shit into a channel, stop it. |
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| 21:20.31 | ma3x | Guerin: 3 lines is not pasting |
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| 21:20.53 | claudio` | bye |
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| 21:21.14 | Guerin | ma3x: just because you can get away with it don't make it right |
| 21:21.16 | jmalicki | ircleuser: i believe you go into /etc/alternatives |
| 21:21.39 | agent | what are ispell dictionary packages called? |
| 21:21.41 | jmalicki | ircleuser: i believe you go into /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 21:21.43 | ma3x | Guerin: so what do u expect me to do |
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| 21:22.18 | jmalicki | ircleuser: its not specific to vnc is it? |
| 21:22.27 | jmalicki | ircleuser: if its specific to vnc that would be a shocker... |
| 21:22.49 | ircleuser | jmalicki: it is specific to vnc. I can set my wm as gnome or KDE in the login screen with no problem. |
| 21:23.14 | ma3x | come on help here |
| 21:23.17 | jmalicki | ircleuser: oh, i'm not used to seeing the choice in the login screen |
| 21:23.17 | ma3x | this bug keeps freezing my system |
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| 21:23.23 | jmalicki | i forgot that was there |
| 21:23.26 | Guerin | ma3x: it's a kernel error message meaning that acpi is shit |
| 21:23.39 | ircleuser | jmalicki: I'm a windows user. Trying to make a switch, so yeah, I'm all about the gui. |
| 21:23.49 | jmalicki | ma3x: get a bios update |
| 21:24.01 | jmalicki | ma3x: or file a bug with your bios vendor |
| 21:24.03 | ircleuser | Pr0nStrGee: Thanks mate! I can't ssh in from here, but I will try that. If I'm on again in a couple hours, it didn't work :) |
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| 21:24.51 | stouset | Didn't the #debian channel get moved to oftc? |
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| 21:25.03 | stew | stouset: no |
| 21:25.07 | jmalicki | stouset: quite obviously not |
| 21:25.09 | ma3x | what's acpi used for? |
| 21:25.11 | sohmestra | stouset: there is one there. |
| 21:25.12 | ma3x | can I turn it off? |
| 21:25.15 | Guerin | stew: there was always a #debian on oftc |
| 21:25.15 | ma3x | do I really need it? |
| 21:25.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:25.19 | jmalicki | ma3x: stfw |
| 21:25.19 | ustunozgur | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.21 | stew | Guerin: oh yeah? |
| 21:25.22 | Guerin | stouset: |
| 21:25.27 | agent | nevermind, its iX where X = language name in english |
| 21:25.41 | stouset | Hah! I wondered where most of the people I remembered from #debian had gone to. |
| 21:25.42 | stew | stouset: irc.debian.org now points to oftc. there are #debian channels on both freenode and oftc |
| 21:25.50 | stouset | I've always been pointing my IRC client at irc.debian.org. :P |
| 21:25.52 | jmalicki | ma3x: it's a virtual machine in your bios |
| 21:25.58 | jmalicki | ma3x: with its own opcodes and shit |
| 21:26.07 | jmalicki | ma3x: kind of like java for your bios |
| 21:26.15 | ma3x | jmalicki: in a few words what does it do? |
| 21:26.15 | Sadneophyte | Hi what is the status of etch amd/biarch? Etch is in testing, but I see no 'new' news about the release date (which is okay), only about release canidates... does RC1 include support for AMD64 i386 biarch? |
| 21:26.18 | jmalicki | invented by serious crackheads |
| 21:26.27 | jmalicki | ma3x: it smokes crack and crashes your machine |
| 21:26.33 | h3sp4wn | Sadneophyte: bi arch will be done for lenny properly |
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| 21:26.47 | jmalicki | ma3x: if you want detail, im sure wikipedia can tell you |
| 21:26.50 | ma3x | jmalicki: do I lose something if I turn it off? |
| 21:26.51 | h3sp4wn | Sadneophyte: etch has ia32-libs but its far from complete |
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| 21:26.55 | Sadneophyte | h3sp4wn that means no biarch for testing? |
| 21:26.56 | Guerin | ma3x: yes. |
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| 21:27.07 | h3sp4wn | Sadneophyte: Not like fedora etc has |
| 21:27.14 | Guerin | ma3x: remember how RTFM was really fun the other day? GO and fucking do it again. |
| 21:27.18 | jmalicki | actually the wikipedia article is suck. |
| 21:27.33 | ma3x | that's right |
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| 21:27.38 | jmalicki | it does a hell of a lot more than power. |
| 21:27.52 | ma3x | and why should I read fscking sucking pages of manual when you could tell me in a few words |
| 21:27.54 | jmalicki | it does a lot of stuff with irq routing, smp, etc etc |
| 21:27.57 | Sadneophyte | h3sp4wn ooh.... this makes me a sad... darn... I guess I have to revert to good ol' i386... |
| 21:28.01 | jmalicki | ma3x: because my time is more valuable than yours |
| 21:28.09 | ma3x | that's right |
| 21:28.12 | jmalicki | at least as far as i'm concerned |
| 21:28.14 | Guerin | ma3x: because we couldn't |
| 21:28.22 | Guerin | ma3x: so fuck off and do it |
| 21:28.24 | ma3x | so you can say like: ma3x: it's useless, you don't need it, turn it off |
| 21:28.34 | Guerin | ma3x: but it's not. |
| 21:28.37 | ma3x | or it has critical functions |
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| 21:28.41 | jmalicki | ma3x: if i thought it was useless, i would say that... |
| 21:28.50 | jmalicki | ma3x: i told you what to do.. get a bios update. |
| 21:28.54 | Guerin | ma3x: the reality is more complex than you seem to imagine. |
| 21:28.57 | h3sp4wn | Sadneophyte: If you only need a few apps you can probably do it - but its not simple like under fedora etc |
| 21:29.00 | ma3x | jmalicki: bios update hasnt been released 3 years ago |
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| 21:29.12 | jmalicki | ma3x: install linuxbios |
| 21:29.41 | xixor | howdy, I am wondering if anyone can recommend a program that will analyze my apahce logs and make a nice html output that I can look at? |
| 21:29.41 | ma3x | linuxbios? |
| 21:29.41 | Supaplex | !analog |
| 21:29.41 | dpkg | somebody said analog was a WWW log analyzer tool |
| 21:29.44 | stoned | oh my god man I just rm -rd the wrong dir and lost all my /public_html/ |
| 21:29.47 | jmalicki | ma3x: my professional recommendation would be to throw your motherboard in the dumpster and get a new one in that case, actually... |
| 21:29.57 | stoned | thats where I kept all the stuff I had ever recorded and all the beats I'd ever made |
| 21:30.00 | jmalicki | but i realize that you might want mileage from it |
| 21:30.10 | ma3x | jmalicki: I'm retired stripper, can't do that |
| 21:30.16 | stoned | is there ANY for of data recovery off an ext3 partition? |
| 21:30.39 | jmalicki | stoned: i'll do it for $50/hr |
| 21:30.41 | Guerin | stoned: yes. |
| 21:30.55 | Guerin | stoned: jmalicki is very cheap, i'm not sure I'd trust him. |
| 21:31.04 | stoned | jmalicki: I can punchisize your face for free per hour |
| 21:31.13 | ma3x | man you make things complicated |
| 21:31.21 | Guerin | if you're not paying $1000 just to have him get out of his chair, he's not a datarec person. |
| 21:31.26 | xixor | Supaplex: thanks, will check it out |
| 21:31.29 | jmalicki | ma3x: you can try booting with noacpi |
| 21:31.33 | jmalicki | but you may lose a lot |
| 21:31.34 | stoned | Guerin: so help me out dude |
| 21:31.35 | xixor | Supaplex, : I am trying out webalizer right now |
| 21:31.44 | ma3x | jmalicki: lose for eg. what? |
| 21:31.47 | Guerin | ma3x: no, things *are* complicated. We just don't oversimplify them. |
| 21:32.04 | Guerin | stoned: install testdisk and use photorec from that package |
| 21:32.04 | ma3x | well Guerin try to simplify them |
| 21:32.08 | jmalicki | ma3x: like guerin says, its subtle and complicated.... i'm willing to give free help on irc... not teach classes. |
| 21:32.25 | jmalicki | ma3x: i'll point you at a book, but won't summarize it for you. |
| 21:32.26 | Guerin | ma3x: how much more simple do you want than SEARCH THE FUCKING WEB? |
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| 21:32.39 | ma3x | jmalicki: so you said you may lose a lot. what is that? |
| 21:32.53 | Ankman | what's in an .xinitrc? if i have one X won't start, guess i miss something |
| 21:33.18 | ma3x | !tell Ankman about .xinitrc |
| 21:33.24 | jmalicki | ma3x: you may have to use XT-PIC interrupt routing, SMP can't work, if you have multi-cores it may not work, irqs may be shared and some drivers may hang |
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| 21:33.34 | stew | Ankman: if an .xinitrc exists when you run startx, the .xinitrc file will be run.. when the .xinitrc script completes, x terminates |
| 21:33.34 | rahul | Ankman: man xinit ; man xsession |
| 21:33.39 | jmalicki | ma3x: etc etc |
| 21:33.42 | Ankman | ty |
| 21:33.48 | rahul | Ankman: xinit is much lower-level than xsession |
| 21:34.06 | ma3x | jmalicki: what's the option that I need to spcify at the boot line? acpi=off or noacpi? |
| 21:34.13 | Ankman | also ma3x |
| 21:34.17 | jmalicki | noacpi |
| 21:34.27 | Ankman | i just need to add some key codes |
| 21:34.32 | ma3x | jmalicki: I already have noapic specified |
| 21:34.34 | ma3x | what's noapic for? |
| 21:34.36 | Ankman | calling the Xmodmap |
| 21:34.39 | jmalicki | it turns off the apic |
| 21:34.45 | jmalicki | im talking about turning off acpi |
| 21:34.54 | Supaplex | !noacpi |
| 21:34.56 | jmalicki | (they are both real things, and you can sftw to find more) |
| 21:35.42 | ma3x | my point is : my computer freezes randomly. am I better with or without acpi, apic? |
| 21:35.48 | jmalicki | the noapic already loses you a lot of what you'd lose with noacpi |
| 21:36.01 | stew | ma3x: you want acpi=off ; there is no "noacpi" kernel option |
| 21:36.05 | jmalicki | since its the coordination with the apic that is one of the bigger benefits of acpi |
| 21:36.38 | ma3x | stew: I have already noapic, should I remove that? |
| 21:36.48 | stew | ma3x: apic != acpi |
| 21:36.58 | ma3x | stew: I know. but do I need apic or not? |
| 21:37.08 | ma3x | I dunno why is it there? I dont remember specifying it on the boot line |
| 21:37.21 | jmalicki | stew: since when isnt there a noacpi? |
| 21:37.31 | stew | jmalicki: since forever |
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| 21:37.42 | ma3x | !slap jmalicki :p |
| 21:37.47 | stew | jmalicki: there is a pci=noacpi, but not just a noacpi |
| 21:37.54 | rahul | !penixstrike ma3x |
| 21:37.54 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking ma3x to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:37.57 | ustunozgur | APIC (Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller) |
| 21:37.58 | stew | ma3x: i don't know if you need noapic or not |
| 21:38.05 | ma3x | !penis rahul |
| 21:38.09 | stew | stop |
| 21:38.10 | ma3x | ok let's cut it:p |
| 21:38.42 | ma3x | stew: so there is noacpi option right? |
| 21:38.56 | ma3x | I mean there is acpi=off, right? |
| 21:38.56 | stew | ma3x: no, there is not |
| 21:39.01 | stew | ma3x: yes, there is |
| 21:39.01 | ma3x | what about apic? |
| 21:39.08 | stew | ma3x: what about it? |
| 21:39.08 | Guerin | ma3x: ignore apic |
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| 21:39.17 | Guerin | it's nothing to do with anythiung |
| 21:39.21 | jmalicki | guerin: yes it is |
| 21:39.29 | ma3x | well do normal debian users have acpi or not? |
| 21:39.31 | jmalicki | guerin: if he has it turned off it may be for a reason |
| 21:39.37 | jmalicki | ma3x: its completely hardware dependent. |
| 21:39.45 | Guerin | jmalicki: nothing ma3x does ia based on reason |
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| 21:40.02 | jmalicki | ah, i was confused with pci=noacpi.... it is acpi=off |
| 21:40.16 | ma3x | Guerin: I might have had problems in the past so I might have turned it off. I Dont remember however. |
| 21:40.23 | jmalicki | ma3x: so leave it off. |
| 21:40.33 | stoned | Guerin: well I'm fucked |
| 21:40.47 | jmalicki | stoned: do you have the undelete inode turned on? |
| 21:40.55 | stoned | I don't know |
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| 21:41.01 | ma3x | let me try once with acpi and apic |
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| 21:41.06 | stoned | jmalicki: how do I check |
| 21:41.36 | jmalicki | stoned: do this http://std.dkuug.dk/keld/readme-salvage.html |
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| 21:43.14 | jmalicki | stoned: and upgrade e2fsprogs to the newest version first |
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| 21:43.59 | foo | Hm, I was going to set up nfs. What do you guys, nfs-kernel-server or nfs-user-server? Hm. I know one runs in user space, other in kernel .. hm, I'm not too sure which one to get. Any input? |
| 21:44.18 | jmalicki | foo: nfs-kernel-server is pretty stable these days. |
| 21:44.21 | enouf | will someone please point the stripper to the kernel params boot options already? .. and tell her also about the "define:<acronym>" google option |
| 21:44.26 | Agrajag- | foo: i've had really strange locking problems with nfs-user-server. i switched to nfs-kernel-server and problems disappeared |
| 21:44.28 | stoned | jmalicki: I have the latest version of it |
| 21:44.29 | jmalicki | foo: and better maintained, there's no reason to not use these days... |
| 21:44.41 | foo | Agrajag-: ok, thanks, kernel it is |
| 21:44.42 | stoned | jmalicki: there is no salvage command anywhere |
| 21:44.47 | foo | thanks jmalicki |
| 21:44.47 | enouf | !customer w00t |
| 21:44.51 | jmalicki | stoned: its a debugfs command |
| 21:45.00 | stoned | so what is the package I need |
| 21:45.02 | stoned | I can't find it |
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| 21:45.42 | ma3x | stew: I forgot, is there noapic option, or apic=off? |
| 21:45.55 | enouf | e2fsprogs stoned |
| 21:45.59 | jmalicki | stoned: err wait, you actually do need the e2fsprogs from that page |
| 21:46.01 | jmalicki | i think? |
| 21:46.06 | wabz | g'day. I was attempting to set up ldap for authentication, and it appeared to go okay - but now when I run "sudo", it just says "Sorry, try again" 3 times without asking for a password. This machine is remote, so I'm not sure how to do anything useful on it now. ideas? |
| 21:46.18 | jmalicki | stoned: thats probably as well as you can do... |
| 21:46.28 | jmalicki | ma3x: noapic, acpi=off |
| 21:46.33 | ma3x | stew: my hard disk led sometimes stops flashing while I had noapic option |
| 21:46.39 | ma3x | is it possible to be happening because of it? |
| 21:46.45 | stoned | ehh fuck it |
| 21:46.47 | jmalicki | ma3x: yes. |
| 21:46.48 | stoned | its time to move on |
| 21:46.54 | ma3x | jmalicki: how come? |
| 21:46.56 | stoned | that shit was holding me back |
| 21:47.01 | jmalicki | ma3x: because. |
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| 21:47.04 | ma3x | stoned: what held you back? |
| 21:47.05 | stoned | I'll record newer better stuff |
| 21:47.06 | jmalicki | ma3x: rtfm |
| 21:47.19 | stoned | with better sound quality and better music |
| 21:47.30 | stoned | what I was playing 5 years ago doesn't sound so good anymore tome |
| 21:47.33 | stoned | its too simple and basic |
| 21:47.33 | jmalicki | stoned: just write an AI to record your beats. |
| 21:47.46 | stoned | i know how to do it all, I just deleted my data |
| 21:47.51 | PupenoR | Is there an alternate tracker to download the Debian iso using bittorrent that works? |
| 21:48.12 | stoned | and I'm very pissed off right now but I'm not gonna flip out |
| 21:48.12 | ma3x | serial8250: too much work for irq10 |
| 21:48.15 | stoned | even though I really want to |
| 21:48.18 | ma3x | mtrr: no more MTRRs available |
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| 21:48.24 | ma3x | should I care for those warning? |
| 21:48.25 | jmalicki | ma3x: this is a channel of volunteers, people don't feel like explaining everything |
| 21:48.31 | jmalicki | ma3x: depends |
| 21:48.31 | enouf | stoned: if you want any hope of recovery .. immediately remount ro - or better .. shut her down (correctly) and disconnect for now |
| 21:48.35 | ma3x | on what |
| 21:48.39 | stoned | enouf: fuck it dude |
| 21:48.42 | jmalicki | ma3x: if it was trying to set a write-combining MTRR, you'll only lose performance |
| 21:48.43 | ma3x | mtrr: 0xd8000000,0x8000000 overlaps existing 0xdbc00000,0x200000 |
| 21:48.48 | stoned | I was thinking of wiping the disk anyway |
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| 21:48.53 | corpcomp | Does putty have a setting that will allow me to copy/paste. Currently I can copy from local, but if I right click in remote(putty) noting happens. |
| 21:48.56 | stoned | I have backups of all the pictures and documents I lost |
| 21:49.02 | enouf | stoned: ahh .. yes .. do a doobie .. all better :-) |
| 21:49.08 | rahul | hehe |
| 21:49.08 | ma3x | jmalicki: I have no idea what mtrr and i didnt set it up |
| 21:49.12 | stoned | enouf: I just didn't have any backups of my hydrogen tracks or the riffs I recorded |
| 21:49.14 | jmalicki | ma3x: if it was trying to set uncached, you could corrupt data |
| 21:49.30 | enouf | stoned: that would piss me off .. if I thought it was worth having |
| 21:49.32 | stoned | enouf: but I can record them again. But this time even better, cuz those riffs and songs have gotten more complex and intricate |
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| 21:49.54 | enouf | stoned: ok then .. out with the old .. in with the new |
| 21:49.59 | stoned | pretty much |
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| 21:50.07 | jmalicki | too much work for irq10 is scary..... |
| 21:50.12 | stoned | plus I can make those beats over again in hydrogen in minutes |
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| 21:50.21 | stoned | but I am quite pissed off |
| 21:50.25 | ma3x | jmalicki: probably that's why I put the noapic option there |
| 21:50.26 | rahul | stoned: and then you can say it's a re-recording |
| 21:50.31 | stoned | I just did that rm -rd without even thinking about it |
| 21:50.33 | rahul | not just a remastering! |
| 21:50.35 | ma3x | with noapic, I get no irq10 warnings |
| 21:50.40 | jmalicki | ma3x: no, thats probably BECAUSE of the noapic option |
| 21:50.47 | jmalicki | ma3x: really? thats very counterintuitive |
| 21:50.51 | stoned | rahul: what I don't understand is the prefix pre |
| 21:50.53 | enouf | stoned: you'll be back in less than 12 hours to tell us about your latest and greatest :D |
| 21:50.55 | rahul | pre? |
| 21:50.57 | stoned | pre recording! |
| 21:50.59 | rahul | heh |
| 21:51.02 | stoned | how do you record before you record? |
| 21:51.07 | stoned | it doesn't really work that way you know |
| 21:51.11 | stoned | or preboard the plane |
| 21:51.13 | rahul | stoned: well, it can be a live performance |
| 21:51.14 | rahul | hehe |
| 21:51.19 | stoned | how you boad the plane before you board the plane |
| 21:51.21 | stoned | is beyond me |
| 21:51.24 | rahul | I have to worry about deboarding |
| 21:51.31 | rahul | wtf do we do when someone deboards? |
| 21:51.40 | enouf | deplane? |
| 21:51.43 | Nyle | you can't deboard |
| 21:51.43 | jmalicki | ma3x: normally APIC gets you interrupts like IRQ 193 so you don't have sharing |
| 21:51.43 | rahul | especially if they deboard to standby |
| 21:51.47 | rahul | Nyle: you can |
| 21:51.48 | enouf | what a fscked up word |
| 21:51.49 | phisher1 | hello |
| 21:51.50 | karsten | enouf: Boss! Boss! |
| 21:51.51 | cokeslut | Hi |
| 21:51.52 | raxip | sup? |
| 21:51.54 | Nyle | well technically but its not a word |
| 21:51.55 | rahul | heh |
| 21:51.56 | phisher1 | I'll find out |
| 21:51.58 | enouf | karsten: yo Yo Ma! |
| 21:51.59 | raxip | investigating |
| 21:52.00 | jmalicki | whats the opposite of deplane? |
| 21:52.01 | jmalicki | enplace? |
| 21:52.08 | rahul | jmalicki: check-in |
| 21:52.11 | jmalicki | is enplaning different than boarding? |
| 21:52.14 | Nyle | enouf: I have the entire seinfeld series |
| 21:52.20 | enouf | heh |
| 21:52.20 | karsten | jmalicki: DeGround |
| 21:52.21 | Nyle | enouf: two episodes, yo yo ma! |
| 21:52.28 | Nyle | I'm on the 9th season now |
| 21:52.33 | rahul | if you're deplaned, I _believe_ you are de-checked-in |
| 21:52.35 | Nyle | finally about to finish it |
| 21:52.37 | enouf | Nyle: boutros boutros ghali! |
| 21:52.37 | jmalicki | if i leave a hovercraft, am i dehovercrafting? |
| 21:52.46 | karsten | jmalicki: In FA speak, it's "boarding" and "deplaning". |
| 21:52.47 | hatter | any1 familiar with tape drives on sarge ? ide-tape module loaded : ide-tape: hdd <-> ht0: seagate stt3401a |
| 21:52.49 | Nyle | buoutros boutros indeed! |
| 21:52.52 | hatter | what do i do next ? |
| 21:53.04 | pickcoder | I'll be preboarding a plane next monday |
| 21:53.05 | rahul | karsten: there's also a deboard |
| 21:53.15 | karsten | hatter: Get yourself a real tape == SCSI. |
| 21:53.30 | jmalicki | hatter: i used ide tape on kernel 2.2..... |
| 21:53.36 | hatter | karsten: its onsite , many miles away, |
| 21:53.39 | jmalicki | hatter: are you seeing problems? |
| 21:53.41 | karsten | hatter: nrst0, nrst1, etc. Or sort which tape device you've got and symlink /dev/tape to it. |
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| 21:54.08 | hatter | what does the /dev/ht0 mean ? |
| 21:54.09 | rahul | if someone is deboarded, they are still checked in with an assigned seat, but their coupon gets unlifted |
| 21:54.13 | karsten | enouf: You misse a Yo. |
| 21:54.19 | jmalicki | hatter: thats what you should symlink /dev/tape to? |
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| 21:54.37 | jmalicki | rahul: i hate the word coupon too.. its so overused |
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| 21:54.53 | rahul | heh |
| 21:54.59 | rahul | no, coupon has a specific meaning. |
| 21:55.02 | jmalicki | like, its only ever used to scare off mortals |
| 21:55.05 | jmalicki | rahul: in this case |
| 21:55.08 | enouf | karsten: ? |
| 21:56.21 | jmalicki | rahul: zero-coupon bonds have a different meaning |
| 21:56.22 | jmalicki | both of which are different enough to justify differnet words |
| 21:56.22 | rahul | sure |
| 21:56.23 | rahul | nah |
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| 21:56.23 | rahul | they're different fields. |
| 21:56.24 | karsten | enouf: Yo! Yo Yo Ma! |
| 21:56.24 | enouf | haha |
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| 21:56.25 | pickcoder | articles are wasted space too |
| 21:56.25 | pickcoder | who needs "a", "the", etc |
| 21:56.25 | karsten | enouf: Yo! Yo Yo Ma's ma's sooooo fat .... |
| 21:56.25 | rahul | jmalicki: and they're called zeroes by those in the know :) |
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| 21:56.26 | pickcoder | eliminating them makes for fun writing |
| 21:56.28 | enouf | karsten: you are aware of the concert celloist? |
| 21:56.45 | karsten | pickcoder: Whl yr t t lmnt ll th vwls t! |
| 21:56.49 | hatter | should /dev/tape exist ? |
| 21:56.49 | enouf | karsten: erm virtuoso .. |
| 21:56.56 | Nyle | I don't like chello as much as I like violin |
| 21:57.00 | Nyle | chello is too fat for me |
| 21:57.01 | jmalicki | hatter: if software you use wants it to... |
| 21:57.02 | sbk | folks -- there's this package I vaguely remember. It's job is basically to "normalize" sound levels, so when I convert from one format to another, it maintains the sound levels so it doesn't sound too soft or too loud. Can someone enlighten me on the name of this package? |
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| 21:57.04 | Nyle | its like a fat guy singing |
| 21:57.05 | jmalicki | hatters; it like /dev/cdrom |
| 21:57.10 | enouf | arsten:kay Iway avehay omesay iglatinpay orfay ouyay |
| 21:57.11 | Nyle | a violin is like a really hot girl singing |
| 21:57.12 | creature | How can I find out what version of libpcap I have installed? |
| 21:57.13 | Firestarter- | is there a lock fire that would prevent me from opening another session when there isn't any running |
| 21:57.13 | jmalicki | hatters: a lot of programs assume its there |
| 21:57.14 | Nyle | see th difference |
| 21:57.14 | pickcoder | krstn: nh.. tht'd b t cnfsng |
| 21:57.20 | Firestarter- | fire = file |
| 21:57.21 | jmalicki | creature: dpkg -s libpcap |
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| 21:57.23 | rahul | I'd rather have a hot girl singing |
| 21:57.26 | Nyle | haha |
| 21:57.29 | karsten | Some-time McFerrin collab as well. |
| 21:57.30 | rahul | like julia |
| 21:57.33 | Nyle | I just read that as libcrap |
| 21:57.45 | bhundven | wha wha wha wha... |
| 21:57.48 | ustunozgur | sbk: mp3gain |
| 21:57.53 | PupenoR | Is there an alternate tracker to download the Debian iso using bittorrent that works? |
| 21:57.54 | jmalicki | err no |
| 21:57.57 | sbk | ustunozgur: ah, thanks very much. |
| 21:58.04 | jmalicki | thats one of the weird versioned debian packages |
| 21:58.05 | enouf | Nyle: gimme and orchestra and an opera anyday .. we got an orgi ;-) |
| 21:58.12 | rahul | PupenoR: why do you need bittorrent to download 50MB? |
| 21:58.18 | hatter | mt -f /dev/ht0 status says: mt; /dev/ht0: no such file or directory |
| 21:58.24 | jmalicki | i kind of hate the whole libpcap0.8 vs. libpcap-0.8 thing |
| 21:58.29 | PupenoR | rahul: binary-1 is 600 mb. |
| 21:58.31 | Firestarter- | is there a lock file that would prevent me from opening another session of iceweasel when there isn't any running |
| 21:58.37 | rahul | PupenoR: so don't download it |
| 21:58.37 | jmalicki | why not allow for multiple versions of the same package in a more transparent way? |
| 21:58.43 | Guerin | Firestarter-: yes |
| 21:58.54 | Acurax | Firestarter-, killall iceweasel-bin |
| 21:58.56 | jmalicki | hatter: are you using udev? |
| 21:58.57 | Guerin | Firestarter-: it lives in .mozilla/firefox/something/lock |
| 21:58.57 | Acurax | Firestarter-, killall iceweasel |
| 21:59.02 | karsten | pickcoder: .-. . .- .-.. -- . -. ..- ... . -- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. . ...-.- |
| 21:59.04 | hatter | jmalicki: no |
| 21:59.08 | pickcoder | I'm in a "leave me the hell alone, I just want to chat" mood today |
| 21:59.11 | Firestarter- | Guerin: thanks |
| 21:59.11 | Nyle | karsten: you ok? |
| 21:59.12 | Guerin | Acurax: he said there ISN'T another running |
| 21:59.15 | jmalicki | hatter: then you need to MAKEDEV /dev/ht0 |
| 21:59.17 | pickcoder | oh.. I did fix the routing issue on our mail server |
| 21:59.19 | Acurax | OH |
| 21:59.21 | karsten | Nyle: Never been better. |
| 21:59.21 | pickcoder | that _had_ to be fixed |
| 21:59.22 | Nyle | Guerin: is your fridge running? |
| 21:59.23 | enouf | sos |
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| 21:59.34 | Nyle | Guerin: nm |
| 21:59.38 | jmalicki | err hmm |
| 21:59.52 | hatter | jmalicki: it says /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/dev/ht0" |
| 21:59.53 | jmalicki | hatter: makedev doesnt know about it either... dont remember what its called? |
| 21:59.58 | karsten | PupenoR: Look at jigdo. Not BT, but should be quick (relatively). |
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| 22:00.05 | karsten | !tell PupenoR about jigdo |
| 22:00.07 | Bawbag | !info etch |
| 22:00.07 | pickcoder | gah.. I really wish I could just sit all day and chat... |
| 22:00.12 | karsten | PupenoR: You're shooting for the netinst or other? |
| 22:00.18 | hatter | dmesg has this : ide-tape: hdd <-> ht0: Seagate STT3401A rev 310B |
| 22:00.28 | jmalicki | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.31 | PupenoR | karsten: binary-1. |
| 22:00.33 | sepski | pickcoder, i wish i could get my arse of irc and do something useful |
| 22:00.55 | hatter | jmalicki: mknod: `/dev/ht0': File exists |
| 22:01.04 | karsten | PupenoR: jigdo should work then. I think you can specify how many CDs you want. |
| 22:01.08 | Bawbag | Could someone tell me which version of the kernel etch comes with ATM? |
| 22:01.14 | hatter | jmalicki: this is with the ide-tape module loaded |
| 22:01.14 | enouf | hatter: you need c 37 0 I think as char major-minor |
| 22:01.20 | Guerin | Bawbag: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:01.23 | enouf | !late |
| 22:01.23 | jmalicki | hatter: so you are using udev? |
| 22:01.25 | karsten | !kernel |
| 22:01.27 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.20.1, snapshot: 2.6.20-git16, 2.4: 2.4.34.1, prepatch: 2.4.35-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-mm2 |
| 22:01.33 | karsten | Bawbag: ^^ |
| 22:01.46 | Acurax | 2.6.20 is in stable? |
| 22:01.51 | Guerin | Acurax: no. |
| 22:01.52 | karsten | Bawbag: erm, that may not be the answer to your question ;-) |
| 22:01.53 | hatter | jmalicki: theres no udev on this box |
| 22:01.54 | Acurax | OH. |
| 22:02.00 | Bawbag | karsten: We've been through this :P |
| 22:02.28 | hatter | enouf: what does carh major-minor mean ? |
| 22:02.29 | karsten | Bawbag: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 22:02.36 | jmalicki | hatter: either there is or there isn't a /dev/ht0 |
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| 22:02.37 | enouf | hatter: man makedev ;-) |
| 22:02.44 | hatter | enouf: ok |
| 22:02.48 | jmalicki | enouf; he just said he already has one :) |
| 22:02.59 | enouf | hatter: you did that already though // and i know nothing about tape drives |
| 22:03.04 | jmalicki | hatter: the file can't both exist and not be found |
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| 22:03.13 | enouf | jabular: i've seen the light :-P |
| 22:03.15 | hatter | jmalicki: the file exists |
| 22:03.15 | pihhan | hi |
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| 22:03.23 | enouf | bah jmalicki |
| 22:03.28 | jmalicki | hatter: you complained that when you ran mt it said the file wasn't found |
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| 22:03.32 | pihhan | can someone advice me how to choose gcc and g++ from installed ones? |
| 22:03.33 | Bawbag | Wouldn't it just make more sense to state a single number that accurately answers my question? People on IRC tend to be more tolerable of lazy bastards. |
| 22:04.04 | hatter | jmalicki: right. this is what it says : mt: /dev/ht0: No such file or directory |
| 22:04.08 | jmalicki | pihhan: based upon your opinions of following mailing lists for your specific needs and in-depth research, or to work around specific bugs. |
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| 22:04.21 | enouf | jmalicki: if hatter is using devfs .. shouldnt there be a nice howto at tldp.org? |
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| 22:04.24 | jmalicki | hatter: but it's there? that makes no sense to me |
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| 22:05.03 | _JusSx_ | who is using reiserfs v4? |
| 22:05.06 | hatter | jmalicki: it was there as the symbolic link i made earier |
| 22:05.11 | hatter | i have remove it now |
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| 22:05.16 | jmalicki | hatter: aaah |
| 22:05.24 | jmalicki | hatter: you're supposed to link TO it |
| 22:05.28 | enouf | hatter: you sure all the correct modiules necessary are loaded? .. does lsmod show you that? Again, i don;'t know which ones are absolutely necessary though |
| 22:05.35 | jmalicki | hatter: now mknod |
| 22:05.41 | enouf | ahhh |
| 22:05.49 | hatter | jmalicki: so, now mknod works |
| 22:05.54 | pihhan | jmalicki, not sure if i understand you |
| 22:06.02 | hatter | good job :) |
| 22:06.11 | jmalicki | pihhan: you use the default unless you have a damn good reason not to |
| 22:06.13 | hatter | so now i should make a symbolic link, |
| 22:06.24 | hatter | and writing to it should work ? |
| 22:06.30 | jmalicki | pihhan: you'll know you have a reason because you spend 3 hours a week reading gcc mailing lists |
| 22:06.43 | ma3x | rocknroll! |
| 22:06.57 | Bawbag | Is it normal for http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ to appear to be completely void of any files? |
| 22:07.05 | stew | Bawbag: what do you mean by "comes with etch"? from the installer or the repository? |
| 22:07.06 | ma3x | hey guys |
| 22:07.09 | ma3x | what do you think about freebsd? |
| 22:07.12 | Bawbag | stew: installer |
| 22:07.17 | stew | Bawbag: which installer? |
| 22:07.20 | ma3x | what's your opinion about it? |
| 22:07.21 | jmalicki | ma3x: i hear it's an operating system. |
| 22:07.22 | karsten | ma3x: We think it's off-topic here. |
| 22:07.39 | hatter | jmalicki: thx |
| 22:07.42 | karsten | ma3x: /join #debian-offtopic or ##linux or #freebsd |
| 22:07.44 | jmalicki | ma3x: it's respectable, but many opinions differ and it's a huge discussion. |
| 22:07.49 | ma3x | well okay, I just wanted to know what do you think about it? |
| 22:07.57 | karsten | ma3x: Off topic. |
| 22:08.09 | hatter | jmalicki: how would i know in the future what the numbers after the mknod are ? |
| 22:08.13 | Bawbag | stew: Forgive me, but.. the installer that you can find on an etch DVD image? |
| 22:08.22 | ma3x | I mean I use debian because it's more hardware supportive |
| 22:08.39 | ma3x | and it runs smoother for me |
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| 22:08.57 | karsten | ma3x: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+freebsd |
| 22:09.14 | jmalicki | hatter: devices.txt from linux kernel Documentation directory |
| 22:09.39 | jmalicki | ma3x: obviously, if everyone had a better exxperience with one then the other would barely exist |
| 22:09.42 | ma3x | I've noticed that debian guys are cool when you mention freebsd |
| 22:09.50 | jmalicki | ma3x: and noone here wants to spoonfeed people. |
| 22:09.52 | ma3x | but if you mention linux to freebsd users, they'll just hate you |
| 22:09.59 | enouf | Bawbag: stew I hear the Dir are empty lately there's some keyring stuff transitioning going on or something .. word is to wait a bit (I think it only concerns weekly builds?) |
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| 22:10.02 | sepski | jmalicki, folowing your resoning, there would be no redhat or fedora. |
| 22:10.06 | Nyle | its not debian people in general ma3x |
| 22:10.07 | jmalicki | ma3x: so obviously they're more l337, so use them. |
| 22:10.13 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.18 | Bawbag | enouf: thanks! |
| 22:10.20 | Nyle | ma3x: ask them |
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| 22:10.28 | jmalicki | sepski: not at all.. many people have better experiences with red hat and fedora. they serve different needs than debian |
| 22:10.28 | Nyle | ma3x: instead, ask why hate anything |
| 22:10.28 | ma3x | I did |
| 22:10.34 | enouf | Bawbag: stew did I completely misunderstand you issue? |
| 22:10.34 | ma3x | they said they find linux terrible |
| 22:10.38 | Nyle | hate is a too much effort |
| 22:10.38 | valdyn | ma3x: they're probably just strict about the TOPIC of their channel? |
| 22:10.45 | ma3x | no |
| 22:10.52 | enouf | Bawbag: you're tring to d/l the DVD or Install an already made one? |
| 22:10.56 | stew | Bawbag: i guess that would be a daily, which would mean 2.6.18 |
| 22:10.58 | ma3x | for example I was talking about ext2 partition |
| 22:11.03 | jmalicki | ma3x: they're just less tolerant of annoying little shits asking offtopic questions? |
| 22:11.07 | ma3x | and they said " oh my god, NO linux partitions " |
| 22:11.15 | Bawbag | stew: doesn't that apply to weekly builds? |
| 22:11.26 | karsten | !ops ma3x off-topic |
| 22:11.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: ma3x off-topic |
| 22:11.33 | stew | Bawbag: the weeklies are built from the dailies, so it would be the same kernel |
| 22:11.40 | Nyle | karsten: wtf |
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| 22:11.49 | Bawbag | stew: Do you have any idea how much sense that makes? |
| 22:11.52 | Bawbag | stew: Thanks |
| 22:11.54 | stew | ma3x: please keep it on topic |
| 22:11.59 | ma3x | ok stew |
| 22:11.59 | karsten | Nyle: FTW! |
| 22:12.02 | enouf | stew Bawbag some info; |
| 22:12.03 | enouf | <faw> yang, Weekly builds are currently being worked on; archive key expiry has broken the old versions thst used etch d-i RC1, so we're working on using sid d-i instead. Watch this space... |
| 22:12.05 | Nyle | yes, Nyle for the win! |
| 22:12.12 | Nyle | karsten: thanks, /me takes a bow =D |
| 22:12.26 | karsten | ;-) |
| 22:12.37 | stew | Bawbag: oh its possible that no weekly has been built yet since they decided to switch to using the dailies |
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| 22:13.10 | ma3x | but I mean mounting a freebsd or win partition or all kinds of partitions on linux is into the topic |
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| 22:13.17 | jmalicki | ma3x: dude. |
| 22:13.22 | enouf | stew: Bawbag more info http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 22:13.34 | jmalicki | ma3x: quit while you're only a little behind. |
| 22:13.40 | karsten | ma3x: You learn real slow, don't you. |
| 22:13.42 | Bawbag | Is there any channel on this network that deals primarily with linux driver issues? |
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| 22:13.49 | karsten | !ops ma3x cluelessly off topic |
| 22:13.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: ma3x cluelessly off topic |
| 22:14.02 | HymnToLife | Bawbag, ##linux |
| 22:14.02 | ma3x | karsten: whats your problem? |
| 22:14.14 | enouf | Bawbag: you mean coding and Linux driver devel? |
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| 22:14.17 | LoRez | karsten: don't make the ops lart you. stew already said something to him. |
| 22:14.20 | jmalicki | ma3x: everyone's told you what their problem with you is... why not listen? |
| 22:14.20 | jelly-home | ma3x: it's a support channel, not general chat |
| 22:14.21 | karsten | ma3x: What do _you_ think it might possibly be? |
| 22:14.23 | sepski | Bawbag, the weekly build is simply broken atm use dailes |
| 22:14.30 | Bawbag | HymnToLife: Fair enough. thanks |
| 22:14.42 | enouf | Bawbag: could try ##kernel .. |
| 22:14.50 | karsten | LoRez: Ops can tell me to lay off if they feel it's appropriate. |
| 22:14.57 | LoRez | karsten: I just did. |
| 22:15.07 | karsten | LoRez: Point ;-) |
| 22:15.12 | enouf | karsten: use /ignore on the b0z0 .. I have had to in the past |
| 22:15.21 | karsten | enouf: Dig. |
| 22:15.26 | jmalicki | enough: good idea |
| 22:15.30 | dkr | jmalicki: "what's your problem?" is a rhetorical provocation, not a real question indicating concern about someone else. :) |
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| 22:15.44 | jmalicki | dkr: i didn't ask what his problem was |
| 22:15.48 | Flimzy | I have a server that hangs on reboot with a warning about ACPI Thermal Zone, and it reports a temp of ~92 C. I look at /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/trip_points, and all 3 are set to 100. What are reasonable values to set these to? |
| 22:15.59 | enouf | jmalicki: now you know why my first comment about kernel boot params wasn't directed at anyione in particular :-) |
| 22:16.00 | jmalicki | dkr: oh, i get you now ;) |
| 22:16.15 | karsten | Flimzy: What's spec for your kit? |
| 22:16.21 | Flimzy | karsten: I have no idea. |
| 22:16.22 | valdyn | Flimzy: is that 92 even correct? |
| 22:16.30 | Flimzy | valdyn: *shrug*. |
| 22:16.33 | valdyn | Flimzy: k8-temp loaded? |
| 22:16.35 | karsten | Flimzy: Find a mfr recommended temp range. |
| 22:16.48 | Flimzy | valdyn: k8-temp? |
| 22:16.52 | karsten | Flimzy: I'd think ~120-140C, but really don't know. |
| 22:16.58 | hatter | jmalicki: what happens if cpio hits the end of the tape ? |
| 22:16.59 | ma3x | dkr: I dont care if you interpret it as a rhetorical provocation it was a question if I could ask about mounting bsd/win or any other partition on debian. |
| 22:17.07 | jmalicki | hatter: dunno, i always used tar |
| 22:17.09 | karsten | Flimzy: What's your ambient and/or cooling situation there? |
| 22:17.10 | ma3x | dkr: won't discuss about it anymore however |
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| 22:17.16 | Flimzy | karsten: is it normal for all three trip points to be the same? |
| 22:17.17 | valdyn | Flimzy: 'k8temp' |
| 22:17.17 | ma3x | karsten gets annoyed by everything |
| 22:17.19 | jmalicki | hatter: tar knows how to handle multi-tape archives |
| 22:17.22 | Flimzy | karsten: ambient is 70 F |
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| 22:17.29 | karsten | Flimzy: NFC, really. 70F is sane. |
| 22:17.34 | hatter | jmalicki: cool. thx. |
| 22:17.58 | jmalicki | hatter: tar -M... dunno if cpio is better or worse, i have no experience and can't comment |
| 22:18.03 | karsten | Flimzy: Check for any fan blockage, etc., RTFM WRT your sensors config, find out what the normal operating range for the kit is. |
| 22:18.39 | Flimzy | I had it sitting out of the server room where ambient is probably closer to 75F |
| 22:18.47 | Flimzy | and it was under another box when this first occured. |
| 22:18.52 | valdyn | Flimzy: k8temp can break cpu temperature readings ( its an amd64 specific sensor driver ) |
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| 22:18.57 | enouf | karsten: fwiw .. 90C is atrocious .. operating ranges are usually somewher between 35-60C |
| 22:18.57 | karsten | Flimzy: < 90F ambient should be reasonable (if not great). |
| 22:19.00 | jelly-home | 92C is really high |
| 22:19.09 | jelly-home | like 160F |
| 22:19.17 | Flimzy | right now, sitting in the server room (70F), and not in the rack, it's steady at 79C |
| 22:19.20 | enouf | karsten: for comfortability .. purring ;-) |
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| 22:19.44 | Flimzy | (according to ACPI) |
| 22:20.01 | Flimzy | jelly-home: What is a reasonable "high" value? |
| 22:20.09 | enouf | Flimzy: aren;t you using a custom kernel? |
| 22:20.18 | Flimzy | enouf: no. |
| 22:20.21 | valdyn | Flimzy: 79 is probably common for some cpus |
| 22:20.24 | enouf | ok .. nm Flimzy |
| 22:20.38 | Flimzy | valdyn: I'm sure it will get warmer once I put it back in the rack |
| 22:20.40 | enouf | Flimzy: that was a diff time/issue IIRC :-P |
| 22:20.55 | Flimzy | enouf: I usually use custom kernels... but not this time. hehe |
| 22:20.59 | jelly-home | Flimzy: no idea, probably depends on the CPU. For laptops I should go above 50-60C |
| 22:21.02 | enouf | hah! |
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| 22:21.07 | jelly-home | shouldn't |
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| 22:21.18 | valdyn | macbooks cpus get 80, thats not to bad |
| 22:21.25 | valdyn | but 92... sounds to much |
| 22:21.32 | Flimzy | this is a P4 2.4Ghz in a 1U case, for whatever that's worth. hehe |
| 22:21.38 | enouf | oh boy |
| 22:21.38 | jelly-home | valdyn: you can burn your hand on that |
| 22:21.45 | valdyn | jelly-home: or your lap |
| 22:21.48 | Supaplex | Flimzy: ask intel.com |
| 22:22.04 | jelly-home | valdyn: or your privates, yeah |
| 22:22.10 | enouf | wear a pot holder under that thang |
| 22:22.26 | Supaplex | !burn jelly-home's crotch |
| 22:22.35 | Supaplex | :P |
| 22:22.37 | jelly-home | CROTCH |
| 22:23.13 | rahul | PENIX |
| 22:23.14 | Supaplex | GROIN |
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| 22:23.26 | enouf | me struggles hard not to contribute tio the nonsense at hand |
| 22:23.28 | Flimzy | "Thermal specification 71C" |
| 22:23.38 | valdyn | Flimzy: i think your cooling system is broken, probably the contact between cpu and heatsink, but you can verify wattage and heat at intel.com anyway |
| 22:23.41 | jelly-home | Flimzy: 65/75/90? :-) |
| 22:23.42 | enouf | Flimzy: ouch! |
| 22:23.44 | Flimzy | does that mean that's the max it should go? |
| 22:23.50 | Flimzy | that's probably a different chip (I hope!!) :) |
| 22:24.09 | jmalicki | flimzy: yes, that means its the max it can go |
| 22:24.13 | jelly-home | uh |
| 22:24.23 | Flimzy | hrm |
| 22:24.28 | enouf | Flimzy: yeah .. the prescotts double as a space heater .. though your p4 may be a smithfield or earlier |
| 22:24.36 | jelly-home | well, it is an older P4. 2.4GHz |
| 22:24.43 | jmalicki | flimzy: that means you're at risk of melitng and may be voiding your warranty |
| 22:24.44 | Flimzy | enouf: Is there any way to tell from /proc/cpuinfo exactly which P4 I have? |
| 22:24.50 | bhundven | enouf, or a northwood, which is what I have |
| 22:24.55 | Flimzy | jmalicki: I'm sure this thing went out of warranty a long time ago. |
| 22:25.05 | Flimzy | model 2, stepping 7... for wahtever that means |
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| 22:25.12 | jelly-home | Flimzy: that's no reason to melt it, however :-) |
| 22:25.12 | Flimzy | it does claim to have the ht flag |
| 22:25.15 | enouf | Flimzy: ermm .. lshw, and hwinfo will/should give you more info |
| 22:25.18 | Flimzy | jelly-home: agreed :) |
| 22:25.29 | enouf | Flimzy: but if you give me a code .. I'll tell you |
| 22:25.34 | damn | what's "naive" mean? |
| 22:25.38 | Flimzy | enouf: what code? |
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| 22:25.44 | Flimzy | enouf: "The fox is in the hen house!" |
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| 22:25.53 | jelly-home | Flimzy: anyway, 60-90C should be touchy-burny hot, so you can open up the case and verify. |
| 22:25.53 | Guerin | damn: it means `time to look it up in a dictionary' |
| 22:26.02 | enouf | Faq: output from any one of theose apps, ples the cpuinfo output |
| 22:26.07 | enouf | s/ples/plus |
| 22:26.10 | Flimzy | it's a socket 478 |
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| 22:26.18 | enouf | Flimzy: hold a sec |
| 22:26.19 | damn | what's "naive" mean? |
| 22:26.20 | damn | what's "naive" mean? |
| 22:26.26 | valdyn | !naive |
| 22:26.32 | Flimzy | 512k L2 cache |
| 22:26.32 | valdyn | !dict naive |
| 22:26.34 | Flimzy | 8kb L1 cache |
| 22:26.37 | dpkg | Dictionary 'naive' (3 of 5): marked by or showing unaffected simplicity and lack of guile or worldly experience; "a teenager's naive ignorance of life"; "the naive assumption that things can only get better"; "this naive simple creature with wide friendly eyes so eager to believe appearances" ;; lacking experience of life; "a callow youth of seventeen" ;; lacking sophistication [syn: {unsophisticated}]. |
| 22:26.48 | enouf | !slap damn upside the head with GREEN |
| 22:27.07 | damn | so it means uneffective? |
| 22:27.18 | valdyn | damn: no |
| 22:27.19 | Ronin | naffected simplicity and lack of guile or worldly experience |
| 22:27.24 | damn | i see |
| 22:27.25 | karsten | damn: This is #debian, not #dictionary |
| 22:27.26 | jelly-home | damn: means: DON'T TROLL! |
| 22:27.30 | Guerin | damn: no |
| 22:27.31 | damn | im not trolling |
| 22:27.33 | damn | dumbass |
| 22:27.34 | jmalicki | damn: it means fool |
| 22:27.37 | Guerin | damn: it means `you're fucking stupid, piss off' |
| 22:27.43 | bhundven | ^^ |
| 22:27.46 | jmalicki | damn: it's a nicer way of saying dumbass |
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| 22:27.49 | damn | Guerin, suck a dick, no homo |
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| 22:28.01 | jelly-home | !ops damn doesn't give one |
| 22:28.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jelly-home complains about: damn doesn't give one |
| 22:28.02 | Guerin | damn: great comeback, kid. |
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| 22:28.34 | damn | !ops jelly-home is abusing |
| 22:28.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: damn complains about: jelly-home is abusing |
| 22:28.38 | Ronin | not bad for someone who wasnt trolling |
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| 22:28.49 | Nyle | hey |
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| 22:28.57 | Nyle | lets pretend we're not in the 2nd grade huh guys |
| 22:29.11 | enouf | Flimzy: there's too many revisions for me to say with any certainty .. see http://techreport.com/cpu/ have fun |
| 22:29.14 | bokey | itchi, ping |
| 22:29.48 | defcon8 | haha he didn't know what naive meant |
| 22:29.52 | defcon8 | it's amazing |
| 22:30.01 | jelly-home | defcon8: no, he meant us. |
| 22:30.05 | defcon8 | oh okay |
| 22:30.09 | defcon8 | that's absurd |
| 22:30.18 | enouf | !Sunday continues |
| 22:30.20 | jelly-home | defcon8: that's trolling for you! |
| 22:30.40 | Supaplex | that's irony! |
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| 22:30.53 | Supaplex | and naive |
| 22:31.22 | enouf | actually .. if not your native language .. it's not dso hard to understand .. YET, this is not google or websters .. I concur |
| 22:31.24 | itchi | hello my lovely #debian :-p |
| 22:31.37 | bhundven | Supaplex: it's not ironic... it's coincidence. |
| 22:31.37 | amphi | 'soir itchi ;) |
| 22:31.44 | enouf | !tickle itchi |
| 22:31.54 | Flimzy | well according to intel.com, all 2.4Ghz P4's have a max of 70-74 |
| 22:32.00 | Nyle | defac8 |
| 22:32.00 | bokey | !beer enouf itchi |
| 22:32.00 | Flimzy | and this one is at 76 right now |
| 22:32.15 | rahul | Flimzy: they should halve in speed if they get hot |
| 22:32.18 | enouf | !grazzi bokey |
| 22:32.23 | Guerin | Flimzy: pour beer on it |
| 22:32.28 | Guerin | beer is the universal coolant |
| 22:32.36 | Flimzy | rahul: that's not a very useful long-term solution, tho :) |
| 22:32.38 | Guerin | Flimzy: fwiw, they lock up at ~86°C |
| 22:32.40 | jelly-home | Flimzy: thermal paste gone, maybe the cooler doesn't hold? |
| 22:32.41 | rahul | well, yeah |
| 22:32.45 | Supaplex | !freeze Flimzy |
| 22:32.46 | itchi | Wich factoid was it about these missing fonts path in the xorg.conf file? |
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| 22:32.51 | rahul | heh |
| 22:32.58 | rahul | itchi: none |
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| 22:33.06 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Yeah, I'll check |
| 22:33.07 | rahul | itchi: why'd you put the missing font paths in the config? |
| 22:33.14 | Flimzy | jelly-home: ... tomorrow :) |
| 22:33.18 | ipfreely | hello, trying to setup sudo to all a user full permission on /var/log/apache2/ |
| 22:33.26 | ipfreely | user ALL=(ALL) /var/log/apache2/* |
| 22:33.32 | ipfreely | doesnt seem to be the right format |
| 22:33.41 | jelly-home | ipfreely: sudo works on commands, not file access |
| 22:33.42 | ipfreely | anybody have any idea what im doing wrong ? |
| 22:33.46 | rahul | itchi: if you want to install more fonts, there are xfonts-* packages |
| 22:34.05 | itchi | rahul: It's in a default config file. I think it happend from a upgrade from Sarge to Etch (but i hestitate, Etch fresh install have the same trouble) |
| 22:34.10 | ipfreely | jelly-home: how would restrict a user to have access to commans in a certain dir ? |
| 22:34.12 | overnout | ipfreely: why dont you put your user in the grup which has access to the directory |
| 22:34.23 | overnout | *group |
| 22:34.28 | rahul | "a default"? |
| 22:34.31 | rahul | no such thing. |
| 22:34.32 | jelly-home | ipfreely: uh, there are no commands in /var/log/apache2/ |
| 22:34.41 | rahul | I don't believe in defaults! |
| 22:34.42 | itchi | rahul: For example here's a log http://www.xs4all.nl/~stijnw/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:34.47 | enouf | itchi: yeah .. I've always been wondering how to get the old gal (dpkg) tp spit out 'more' |
| 22:34.47 | jelly-home | ipfreely: or there shouldn't be. |
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| 22:35.08 | jelly-home | ipfreely: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:35.10 | rahul | itchi: well.. either install the fonts or remove the paths |
| 22:35.12 | itchi | rahul: (It's not my log, but it's the same errors, and have the same trouble here (helping someone by the same way of #debian-nl)) |
| 22:35.13 | Flimzy | ipfreely: Commands don't go in dirs |
| 22:35.24 | rahul | itchi: or stop whining about something that has no effect |
| 22:35.31 | itchi | enouf: Supybot have that built-in :-) |
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| 22:35.41 | jelly-home | Flimzy: unless the dirs are called ...bin/ ;-) |
| 22:35.51 | ipfreely | have a webdesigner connecting to the server, just want him to edit files in /var/www , reset apache and read the logs |
| 22:35.51 | enouf | itchi: don't know Supybots, .. I;m in love with dpkg ;-) |
| 22:36.03 | itchi | enouf: I use supybot on #debian-nl #debian-belgium, mush more fun and it's writen in Python :-) |
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| 22:36.19 | bhundven | ipfreely: adduser developer www-data |
| 22:36.23 | overnout | sudo is for executables not to access directories |
| 22:36.33 | Flimzy | jelly-home: <semantics>those are executables. Commands are something you tell an executable to do</semantics> |
| 22:36.44 | bhundven | ipfreely: this will add your developer to the www-data group |
| 22:36.49 | ipfreely | k will do |
| 22:36.55 | bhundven | which is what /var/www should be owned by |
| 22:37.12 | enouf | I was thinking it should be solved vai 'group' somehow |
| 22:37.12 | itchi | rahul: No problem, gona install these fonts then, But found that weird that we got these /errors/ (warinigs) on a frech install |
| 22:37.18 | enouf | via* |
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| 22:37.22 | sepski | ipfreely, you could add him to the www-data group |
| 22:37.24 | jelly-home | Flimzy: meh! |
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| 22:37.33 | ipfreely | thanks, everybody |
| 22:37.34 | bhundven | sepski, heh |
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| 22:37.39 | rahul | itchi: it has to do with how you configured the x server |
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| 22:39.02 | itchi | rahul: It's near a default config :-s |
| 22:39.26 | enouf | itchi: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log .. maybe egrep 'WW|EE' it .. also man fc-cache .. and if tab compeltion is on, man fc<tab><tab>, or even man -k font |
| 22:39.39 | ipfreely | itchi: i just installed supy and i put myself as the owner but when i ask the bot whoami, it says it doesnt recognize me |
| 22:39.50 | rahul | whatever "default" means |
| 22:40.04 | itchi | ipfreely: You' hostmask need to be match in the users.conf file |
| 22:40.15 | ipfreely | itchi: ahhh |
| 22:40.19 | itchi | ipfreely: You also need to make or write there down your users |
| 22:40.21 | ipfreely | itchi: can i make it from anywhere |
| 22:40.26 | enouf | itchi: that happened to me using an RC1 install back in Novemeber .. try a newer version .. a Daily build of RC1 if possible |
| 22:40.47 | itchi | ipfreely: There's a command to create a new user. I always did it manually in that config file |
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| 22:41.10 | ipfreely | itchi: supybot-adduser but the new users added disappear after a restart |
| 22:41.10 | itchi | ipfreely: See also #supybot :-) :-p |
| 22:41.19 | itchi | ipfreely: oh |
| 22:41.23 | ipfreely | itchi: i was there no response |
| 22:41.24 | itchi | ipfreely: Shutdown your bot first |
| 22:41.47 | enouf | itchi: there's been a ton of language and locale(?) changes/ updates since last nov.. not sure which date you have |
| 22:41.53 | itchi | ipfreely: As long your bot is running, you may not hand edit your config files, otherwise these are overwrited by the stuff in the memory |
| 22:42.06 | ipfreely | itchi: cool |
| 22:42.12 | enouf | !slap itchi to get his attention |
| 22:42.31 | itchi | ipfreely: You need to look to the 'online update config way' |
| 22:42.46 | itchi | enouf: :-p |
| 22:43.08 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, the cd's are old :-) |
| 22:44.28 | itchi | enouf: Now you did the reflection, i had not think to these /old/ cd's haha, ba, netinstall |
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| 22:45.13 | itchi | ipfreely: If you hand edit your config file while the bot is running, you need to tell the bot to 'reload' the stuff |
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| 22:45.56 | jcole | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.04 | jcole | i want to add that to my init scripts |
| 22:46.08 | itchi | ipfreely: (but i suggest you to shutdown it the time you learn the stuff so you been see the stuff happend when you restart it again,) |
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| 22:46.17 | jcole | damnit |
| 22:46.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | How do I see the name of the current ALSA driver? |
| 22:46.44 | jcole | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.52 | jcole | ^^ that |
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| 22:47.14 | Dark_Apostrophe | The name I'd check while setting up the kernel for compilation |
| 22:47.15 | jcole | so i can have my mac randomly generated |
| 22:47.29 | jcole | where should i put this voodoo |
| 22:47.34 | itchi | Is there a lazy way to do 'aptitude install xfonts-*' ? |
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| 22:47.53 | jelly-home | jcole: do you really want it in init scripts, or just before getting the network up? |
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| 22:48.27 | jelly-home | jcole: I'd suggest a pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:48.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
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| 22:48.49 | jcole | itchi: aptitude install "~n^xfonts-" |
| 22:49.19 | jelly-home | jcole: also, eval `/sbin/ifconfig | grep HWaddr | awk '{print "macchanger -A " $1}'` might be a bit nicer |
| 22:49.30 | jcole | jelly-home: it's a livecd |
| 22:49.54 | itchi | jcole: Woooaa coool |
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| 22:50.08 | jelly-home | jcole: this is just an simplified example, right? |
| 22:50.14 | jcole | itchi: here's a tip, this will show you what it's selecting -> aptitude search "~n^xfonts-" |
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| 22:50.28 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 22:50.30 | holycow | odd |
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| 22:50.40 | itchi | jcole: Gona look |
| 22:50.45 | itchi | jcole: Thanks! :-) |
| 22:50.47 | Solak | jcole: I did a apt-cache search xfonts |
| 22:51.00 | jelly-home | jcole: ... sorry, my eval doesn't work for multiple interfaces |
| 22:51.13 | holycow | i keep on deleting partition table, making one big partition and reformating as reiser, but when i recreate the partitions on hd in same fs they partition data seems to come back up |
| 22:51.14 | Acurax | whatis the option to force a yes in apt-get ? |
| 22:51.17 | Solak | jcole: tried to install some, and came to the conclusion that some were installed already |
| 22:51.24 | jcole | jelly-home: i agree, piping to sh is a bit hackish |
| 22:51.54 | holycow | how does one destroy data in the former partitions on an hd? i.e. force a low level format i guess without doing a dd on the whole thing |
| 22:52.02 | holycow | ? even |
| 22:52.12 | eldowan | holycow: drop the drive from the roof |
| 22:52.18 | itchi | Solak have the same troubles about these fonts paths in the xorg.conf file ... |
| 22:52.36 | holycow | anyone else? |
| 22:52.37 | holycow | :) |
| 22:52.38 | jelly-home | jcole: you could put it anywhere before /etc/init.d/networking is callde or even add it into the script itself |
| 22:52.58 | eldowan | holycow: you could use shred, though that would take longer than a dd |
| 22:52.58 | SDBolts21n56 | can any tell me a good program to find system hardware info. like processor type and speed, amout of memory? |
| 22:53.04 | jcole | holycow: shred |
| 22:53.21 | holycow | ah well then okay at least there is an option |
| 22:53.22 | Solak | jcole: 75/100dpi, scalable, base, encodings and utils |
| 22:53.37 | eldowan | SDBolts21n56: /proc/cpuinfo /proc/foo |
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| 22:54.03 | jelly-home | jcole: the cleanest way would be to write a separate script and link as /etc/rc?.d/S* so that it starts before networking |
| 22:54.20 | jcole | Solak: aptitude is quite clever and is what the debian installer uses for installing packages |
| 22:55.39 | pickcoder | holycow: you can't low-level format a drive like you used to be able to |
| 22:55.44 | Solak | jcole: yeah, I notice... |
| 22:55.49 | eldowan | SDBolts21n56: or you could use something like bginfo |
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| 22:55.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: some of them have tools to do it |
| 22:55.57 | jcole | !shred |
| 22:55.57 | dpkg | shred, rap, powd, dude |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | !dban |
| 22:55.59 | dpkg | well, dban is http://dban.sf.net/ Darik's Boot and Nuke ("DBAN") is a self-contained boot floppy that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers. DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. |
| 22:56.09 | keith80403 | I installed and removed Bugzilla from Sarge - now, dpkg -l shows "rc" as Desired/Status - is bugzilla removed or pending removal, or what? |
| 22:56.19 | pickcoder | abrotman: yes, some of them do. But some of them also store data recovery information on the platters |
| 22:56.24 | holycow | pickcoder, ah really? |
| 22:56.30 | Solak | jcole: anyway, in kde the fonts still look real bad... |
| 22:56.31 | jahshua | back. :) |
| 22:56.31 | kraehe | moin ... i'm trying to install enterprisedb (a postgresql derivate that claims higher oracle compatibility) and run into the problem, that it requires termcap by checking ldconfig -p ... any idea if this old termcap (not terminfo) is in etch? |
| 22:56.51 | eldowan | pickcoder: why can't you do a low level format as in days of lore? |
| 22:57.07 | Solak | jcole: and I have no solution. aliasing: fuzzy fonts, not aliasing: fonts that look broken (holes in the letters and real ugly). |
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| 22:57.24 | larsl | How do you check which package an installed file belongs to? |
| 22:57.42 | bzed | kraehe: termcap is a piece of *cough*. if you're on i386, you can install it from sarge |
| 22:57.45 | larsl | The equivalent to RPM-based systems' rpm -qf |
| 22:57.49 | bhundven | larsl: dpkg -f /usr/bin/vim |
| 22:57.54 | larsl | Thansk. |
| 22:57.55 | larsl | ks |
| 22:57.57 | SDBolts21n56 | eldowan, thanks the first place works. |
| 22:58.05 | pickcoder | eldowan: if you know exactly what you're doing with your drive, zeroing the disk isn't a horrible thing to do. |
| 22:58.05 | jcole | Solak: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
| 22:58.17 | kraehe | bzed, true ... termcap is cruft ... but is'nt it in etch? |
| 22:58.17 | bzed | larsl: dpkg -S filename |
| 22:58.22 | Solak | jcole: I did that, but result is the same... |
| 22:58.23 | bzed | kraehe: no |
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| 22:58.27 | bhundven | ah. I always get -f and -S confused |
| 22:58.31 | eldowan | pickcoder: aah, I misread. I thought you meant it wasn't possible. |
| 22:58.34 | bhundven | my bad |
| 22:58.35 | bzed | larsl: or dlocate filename, if you ahve dlocate installed |
| 22:58.37 | Solak | jcole: detail: the fonts look good until kde starts. |
| 22:59.03 | SDBolts21n56 | eldowan, are those files or programs? if files, does the kernel get that infomation from startup |
| 22:59.03 | pickcoder | eldowan: many manuf stopped making low-level tools and also advocate not using them due to damage |
| 22:59.17 | jcole | Solak: i would logout and rm -rf ~/.kde* directories |
| 22:59.39 | Solak | jcole: ? |
| 22:59.40 | eldowan | SDBolts21n56: those are files. Not sure how they are generated. |
| 22:59.53 | pickcoder | probably b/c they're so cheaply made these days they take too much wear |
| 22:59.55 | jcole | Solak: must be a kde setting |
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| 23:00.21 | jcole | Solak: apt-get install kcontrol |
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| 23:00.31 | Solak | jcole: ok, but I guess it could be corrected by changing a setting instead of deleting all the settings... |
| 23:00.33 | bzed | kraehe: termcap-compat works under etch, but it's only avaiable for i386. I had to install it once, too |
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| 23:00.52 | jcole | Solak: kcontrol should have a fonts section |
| 23:01.03 | kraehe | termcap-compat is libc5 ... i need libc6, i fear |
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| 23:01.09 | larsl | Something very weird is going on with my header files. I get this error message when building a program that uses pthreads: |
| 23:01.10 | larsl | /usr/include/pthread.h:285: error: conflicting types for ‘pthread_t’ |
| 23:01.10 | larsl | /usr/include/bits/pthreadtypes.h:152: error: previous declaration of ‘pthread_t’ was here |
| 23:01.21 | larsl | In one of the files pthread_t is an int, in one it's a long. |
| 23:01.25 | jcole | Solak: i use gnome myself, but have had to configure qt/kde apps on occasion using kcontrol |
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| 23:01.35 | larsl | Both belong to libc6-dev. |
| 23:01.41 | larsl | Any idea what's going on there? |
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| 23:02.25 | pickcoder | looks like dlg-diag still does low-level formatting |
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| 23:04.36 | ipfreely | itchi: thnx hostmasked worked great |
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| 23:05.45 | abrotman | larsl: bugs.debian.org say anything ? |
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| 23:06.59 | sceadugenga | hi, i have a quick question. i have an 8mbit connection at home, and i only get about 200kb/s or less. would changing the tcp window size make any difference to the speed? |
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| 23:07.30 | karsten | sceadugenga: Depends on what's limiting your rate. |
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| 23:07.48 | sceadugenga | what do you mean, karsten? |
| 23:08.00 | stew | sceadugenga: how are you testing your bandwidth? |
| 23:08.27 | sceadugenga | stew, downloading from local ftp servers, speedtest.com, ozspeedtest.com |
| 23:08.28 | karsten | sceadugenga: 1550bytes is generally max supported MTU, most networks run ATM which IIRC has a smaller window size. |
| 23:08.51 | stew | sceadugenga: what type of connection is it? |
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| 23:08.53 | sceadugenga | yeah, i've changed the MTU to test it |
| 23:08.59 | sceadugenga | ADSL1 |
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| 23:09.01 | bhundven | sceadugenga: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=8megabits+in+kilobytes&btnG=Google+Search |
| 23:09.08 | larsl | abrotman: Can't find anything for libc6-dev or libpthread-dev. |
| 23:09.20 | stew | sceadugenga: ask your isp to check your sync rate and your margins |
| 23:09.29 | sceadugenga | i've checked sync rates |
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| 23:09.44 | larsl | abrotman: The weird thing is that dpkg -S /usr/include/pthread.h says 'diversion by libpthread-dev to: /usr/include/pthread.h.glibc', but pthread.h is not a link, it's a regular file. |
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| 23:09.54 | karsten | sceadugenga: Are you sure that's kbps and not Kbps? |
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| 23:09.58 | sceadugenga | im 1km away from the exchange |
| 23:10.17 | enouf | sceadugenga: try a diff server, un-java-applet related |
| 23:10.29 | abrotman | larsl: that means it's a dpkg diversion ... not a filesystem one |
| 23:10.29 | sceadugenga | karsten, 8000kbps |
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| 23:10.46 | sceadugenga | enouf, i've tried many different speed tests |
| 23:10.46 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6766/ |
| 23:10.52 | x_link | Could somebody help me with this? |
| 23:10.54 | stew | sceadugenga: when you test are you sure that the test is the only thing using bandwidth? |
| 23:10.56 | sussudio | no |
| 23:11.03 | karsten | sceadugenga: OK. It's just that a lot of d/l tools measure _Bytes_ where bandwidth is specified in _bits_ |
| 23:11.03 | larsl | abrotman: What's a dpkg diversion? |
| 23:11.03 | sussudio | try bloody #ubuntu |
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| 23:11.10 | karsten | x_link: Context? |
| 23:11.18 | enouf | sceadugenga: like grc.com/security .. d/l one of the mp3 file or something // I get anywhere form Dialup speed (ugh) to 1200KB/sec depending upoon the server |
| 23:11.20 | x_link | I did apt-get update, and I got that. |
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| 23:11.30 | sceadugenga | yes, i only have 1 computer on the connection when im testing speed |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | larsl: dpkg-divert .. it's a command |
| 23:11.39 | stew | x_link: does "apt-get update" give you an error? |
| 23:11.50 | stew | x_link: and what command gave you that error? |
| 23:11.57 | karsten | x_link: Repeat your command with "LANG=C apt-get update" for english output. |
| 23:12.07 | enouf | sceadugenga: don't use "speedtest sites" .. go d/l XPoop SP2 (245MB) .. start it anyways |
| 23:12.15 | karsten | x_link: My swedish is a tad rusty. |
| 23:12.32 | sceadugenga | enouf, ? |
| 23:12.37 | x_link | Ohh sorry. |
| 23:12.41 | x_link | I forgot to do that... |
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| 23:12.47 | larsl | Aha, uninstalling libpthread-dev fixed the compile error. |
| 23:12.55 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:13.04 | enouf | sceadugenga: I ALWAYS get awesome speed from the security now AOL servers at gibson (grc.com) though I havcen't tested in over a year :-P |
| 23:13.10 | sceadugenga | im not only using speed test sites, im trying torrents, multiple threaded http downloads, etc etc |
| 23:13.41 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6768/ |
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| 23:13.47 | x_link | There you go stew & karsten |
| 23:13.47 | stew | sceadugenga: do you seem to be getting your quoted upstream bandwidth? |
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| 23:13.58 | sceadugenga | yes |
| 23:13.59 | enouf | sceadugenga: then yell at your ISP/Cable provider if you have NOT altered you default settings .. maybe crappy NIC? .. |
| 23:14.02 | Solak | jcole: yeah, I run kde so kcontrol is installed. It looks like the problem is solved: another sub-sampling. |
| 23:14.02 | hatter | sceadugenga: my 8m connection just got 6899Kbps down and 319 up with email and irc open |
| 23:14.06 | stew | x_link: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 23:14.07 | hatter | oops |
| 23:14.11 | hatter | '699' |
| 23:14.12 | karsten | x_link: !topic |
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| 23:14.25 | sceadugenga | im getting nearly 50kB/s upstream |
| 23:14.26 | karsten | x_link: erm: /topic |
| 23:14.27 | niles | whats taking so logn |
| 23:14.28 | niles | long |
| 23:14.32 | enouf | 1200KB/sec == ~8mbps |
| 23:14.36 | x_link | Thanks |
| 23:14.37 | hatter | adsl1, gosford, near sydney |
| 23:14.44 | sceadugenga | which is fine, its only downloads |
| 23:14.45 | enouf | If I'm not brainfarting atm :-P |
| 23:14.50 | Solak | jcole: thanks for the help! |
| 23:14.57 | dr1v3r | guys what package would you recommend i use for setting up VPS? |
| 23:15.06 | stew | sceadugenga: qwhat are you supposed to be getting for your upstream? |
| 23:15.13 | karsten | !tell dr1v3r about search |
| 23:15.25 | niles | etch isnt stable. whats taking so long |
| 23:15.28 | sceadugenga | 384kbps |
| 23:15.35 | bhundven | sceadugenga: are you behind a router, like a linksys or netgear or airport? |
| 23:15.35 | karsten | dr1v3r: Looks like you've got 3 choices. |
| 23:15.50 | larsl | Problem solved, thanks anyway. |
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| 23:15.51 | bhundven | sceadugenga: or are you connected directly to the adsl modem/ |
| 23:15.59 | enouf | sceadugenga: try the files I told you about |
| 23:16.02 | sceadugenga | im bridging through the adsl modem |
| 23:16.02 | dr1v3r | karsten i know about search, but i asked what people would recommend using, |
| 23:16.17 | bhundven | sceadugenga: then I would recommend calling your isp |
| 23:16.23 | sceadugenga | i did |
| 23:16.28 | karsten | dr1v3r: You've got at least 33% odds of picking the right solution by chance. |
| 23:16.29 | sceadugenga | they have _no_ clue |
| 23:16.32 | stew | sceadugenga: so you are actually exceding your quoted upstream bandwidth? |
| 23:16.33 | enouf | sceadugenga: though I doubt it matters, since you've done much testing, however still possible |
| 23:16.50 | karsten | dr1v3r: ... and based on a quick perusal, probably markedly better. |
| 23:16.54 | stew | sceadugenga: that should never happen |
| 23:16.58 | enouf | sceadugenga: that all you servers suck .. butmore likely your ISP or PC does |
| 23:17.05 | karsten | dr1v3r: ... which may be the best answer you're going to get here today. |
| 23:17.07 | dr1v3r | i asked for recommendations though. Some people use one package because it does this thing and some people use the other package because it does this and athat |
| 23:17.16 | sceadugenga | well, it jumps stew |
| 23:17.25 | enouf | OH.. ADSL .. well .. hehe |
| 23:17.36 | karsten | dr1v3r: You *have* searched and read, yes? |
| 23:17.44 | sceadugenga | thats another thing, its never constant, it always jumps |
| 23:17.44 | enouf | sceadugenga: that's another matter .. how far are you from the CO? |
| 23:17.52 | sceadugenga | CO? |
| 23:17.58 | stew | enouf: 1k |
| 23:18.00 | enouf | Central Office .. POTS |
| 23:18.00 | stew | km |
| 23:18.06 | sceadugenga | im less than 1km away from the exchange |
| 23:18.08 | enouf | stew: gotcha |
| 23:18.17 | sceadugenga | 950meters |
| 23:18.18 | dr1v3r | i have done yes, but i did not ask how i do a search, i asked for peoples recommendations |
| 23:18.19 | stew | sceadugenga: sounds like you should be talking to your isp |
| 23:18.36 | dr1v3r | i think people just like to play around with the bot commands |
| 23:18.36 | sceadugenga | stew, yeah, the tech guy said to try change the tcp window size |
| 23:18.40 | enouf | sceadugenga: make your ISp replace the old "nicely patina" copper |
| 23:18.46 | enouf | heh |
| 23:18.46 | stew | sceadugenga: what did he tell you to change it to? |
| 23:19.06 | sceadugenga | the maxium size |
| 23:19.07 | bhundven | sceadugenga, I would call back and ask to speak with a lead or a manager |
| 23:19.14 | sceadugenga | i did |
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| 23:19.20 | sceadugenga | HE is the one that suggested it |
| 23:19.22 | enouf | karsten: how would you say patina in the past tense? patinaed? |
| 23:19.25 | cb | Have anyone experiences with IBM/Lenovo X60-Tablet-Notebooks and the Tabletfunctions in X? |
| 23:19.28 | sceadugenga | HE owns the ISP |
| 23:19.42 | enouf | karsten: :-P .. help me out mr morse code |
| 23:19.56 | karsten | dr1v3r: My point, for the final time: you really don't have a choice if you're looking for Debian packages. There's one set of three tools which you can use. If you want Debian-based VPS, that's your choice. If you don't like it, you're going outside Debian. |
| 23:20.00 | bhundven | sceadugenga: your window size is set for the max of your nic, which is 1500. This should not affect your dsl connection as it is much slower then 100Mbps |
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| 23:20.04 | sceadugenga | so tell me, does the tcp window size make any difference, or did I laugh for no reason? |
| 23:20.07 | karsten | enouf: rusted. |
| 23:20.13 | enouf | in ASoviet Russia ... ISP pw3z YOU! |
| 23:20.16 | hatter | sceadugenga: is it an old adsl modem ? |
| 23:20.25 | sceadugenga | no, bought just the other day |
| 23:20.31 | enouf | karsten: well oxidized is too easy ;-P |
| 23:20.36 | jcole | Solak: np |
| 23:21.00 | karsten | enouf: Strictly, "patina" is a noun. Verbing nouns is just plain wrongly. |
| 23:21.06 | hatter | sceadugenga: and the nic it connects to has the right driver ? |
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| 23:21.20 | enouf | karsten: /me like doing worng wioth grammar |
| 23:21.22 | sceadugenga | yes |
| 23:21.24 | enouf | er likes |
| 23:21.29 | enouf | heh |
| 23:21.29 | hatter | sceadugenga: just the standard 'is it turned at the powepoint' questions... |
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| 23:21.34 | x_link | Thanks karsten & stew. I don't get that error now =) |
| 23:21.44 | sceadugenga | hatter, yeah, haha, its fine |
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| 23:21.58 | hatter | sceadugenga: who is the isp ? r u in Australia ? |
| 23:21.58 | enouf | karsten: love == loving ;-P |
| 23:21.59 | karsten | x_link: Cool. There's a few other keys, you may need to add them if you see similar messages in future. |
| 23:22.11 | enouf | karsten: abstract enough? |
| 23:22.12 | sceadugenga | hatter, yes, im in australia |
| 23:22.19 | sceadugenga | hatter, g-node |
| 23:22.21 | sceadugenga | is my isp |
| 23:22.30 | x_link | karsten: Okej, where do you find this keys? |
| 23:22.47 | stew | sceadugenga: did you increase the window size? how? to what? |
| 23:22.52 | stew | sceadugenga: what is the mtu you are using? |
| 23:22.57 | hatter | sceadugenga: haven't heard of them, have you checked who they peer with ? is it only saince u u/g to 8m ? |
| 23:23.06 | enouf | x_link: because you're not a b0z0, you've managed to tap into some really expert support people :-) |
| 23:23.07 | sceadugenga | stew, im using 1500 MTU atm |
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| 23:23.23 | karsten | enouf: Seuratian. Positively. |
| 23:23.26 | sceadugenga | i haven't changed the window size because i thought he was talking alot of shit |
| 23:23.29 | enouf | x_link: you are still practicing patience .. yes? :-) |
| 23:23.32 | karsten | x_link: pgp.mit.edu ;-) |
| 23:23.40 | x_link | enouf: I will always be a newbie =) |
| 23:23.53 | x_link | But as long as I can use my Debian Etch I really don't care. |
| 23:24.07 | x_link | I even enjoy looking at it, I love my desktop =) |
| 23:24.08 | karsten | x_link: gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv <keyid list>; gpg --armor --export <keyid list> | apt-key add - |
| 23:24.11 | sceadugenga | hatter, they peer with pipenetworks locally. i still only get 200kB/s from pipenetworks ftp server |
| 23:24.18 | sceadugenga | or less |
| 23:24.31 | sceadugenga | and the latency is awful |
| 23:24.41 | sceadugenga | to anything overseas |
| 23:24.43 | karsten | enouf: I once met an odd fellow. |
| 23:24.48 | karsten | enouf: I incremented him. |
| 23:24.51 | karsten | enouf: Now we're even. |
| 23:24.54 | enouf | karsten: heh |
| 23:25.02 | x_link | karsten: Is all that 1 command? |
| 23:25.06 | enouf | incremented |
| 23:25.07 | bhundven | sceadugenga: yea... thats what it sounds like. you should call them back and ask them to run an MLT (metallic loop test) or if it's a dedicated loop then run a IVR/Harris test. If they have no clue what your talking about, investigate a new isp. |
| 23:25.10 | enouf | lol |
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| 23:25.21 | stew | sceadugenga: its hard to imagine that the window size would have much of an effect unless your machine was overloaded |
| 23:25.21 | karsten | x_link: Well, it's a one-liner, the ';' are command seperators in bash. |
| 23:25.23 | sceadugenga | bhundven, i will |
| 23:25.26 | litage | if you have multiple network configs/stanzas defined in /etc/network/interfaces , how do you set different DNS servers for each network? |
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| 23:25.41 | karsten | sceadugenga: Who's your ISP BTW? |
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| 23:25.54 | sceadugenga | karsten, www.g-node.com.au |
| 23:25.55 | hatter | i have never changed mtu, cant see that at 8m a small mtu change will affect much |
| 23:26.09 | stew | and actually mtu is only going to affect upstream, not downstream |
| 23:26.11 | x_link | karsten: Hrmm, I don't get it. but ok =) |
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| 23:26.16 | karsten | sceadugenga: OK, likely not related to Embarq's TX bandwidth issues. |
| 23:26.23 | stew | its not like you can affect the mtu at the other end of the wire |
| 23:26.29 | karsten | x_link: Hopefully, you will. |
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| 23:26.49 | karsten | x_link: mtr is also your friend. You can identify congenstion / slow links with it. |
| 23:27.01 | hatter | have you done a traceroute up the line to see where the bottleneck is ? |
| 23:27.12 | hatter | could be they have a dodgy router they dont know about |
| 23:27.44 | karsten | hatter: mtr ^^ |
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| 23:28.21 | hatter | karsten: nice, haven't seen mtr b4, just reading about it now |
| 23:28.36 | bhundven | as a mater of fact, if you have verizon east and your connection is stable... thank your lucky stars. |
| 23:28.48 | karsten | hatter: There's also a package IIRC "smokeping" which does speed tests w/ graphs. |
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| 23:28.54 | enouf | x_link: at tyhe CLI , when you issue a command you cn separate them via a ';' .. there's many examples.. .. /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner .. and you shall see one of those l-o-n-g commands |
| 23:29.07 | hatter | karsten: cool, i'll check it out also |
| 23:29.09 | bhundven | karsten, yea, you can also run it from dslreports.com |
| 23:29.11 | sceadugenga | http://voidspace.ath.cx/traceroute.txt |
| 23:29.18 | karsten | bhundven: OK. |
| 23:29.36 | jahshua | hello anyone here use Opera browser? im trying to install Flash player but not having any luck, the installation program only wants to recognise firefox and i cant get it work with Opera. |
| 23:29.46 | sceadugenga | the other thing im thinking of, is maybe they are limiting me |
| 23:30.08 | sceadugenga | im not over my quota or anything though |
| 23:30.10 | enouf | x_link: start http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq .. man bash , see the bash ABS guide etc |
| 23:30.38 | bhundven | sceadugenga, looks like things get a little hairy at: 210.80.49.198 |
| 23:30.38 | karsten | sceadugenga: You might also want to check out dslreports. |
| 23:30.56 | karsten | sceadugenga: Not sure it applies to Oz though. |
| 23:30.56 | stew | what on earth is x_link trying to script? |
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| 23:31.03 | stew | why? |
| 23:31.04 | karsten | stew: gpgp key retrieval I suspect. |
| 23:31.07 | stew | why? |
| 23:31.21 | enouf | stew: moi? .. no idea :-) |
| 23:31.29 | Suprano | how to activiate my 4th and 5th mouse keys ? |
| 23:31.36 | hatter | karsten: i did dslreports a short while ago |
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| 23:31.42 | karsten | x_link: Simple example: run "ls" "df" and "date" on three different commandlines. |
| 23:31.45 | karsten | hatter: Forums. |
| 23:31.51 | karsten | x_link: Then: "ls; df; date' |
| 23:31.53 | hatter | it works fine, i got around 600 with lots of network activity |
| 23:31.56 | enouf | stew: I was just following through with karstens very terse teaching lesson ;-) |
| 23:32.09 | sceadugenga | well, i don't know. |
| 23:32.09 | stew | did x_link ask a question or are people just sending random commands / urls to him? |
| 23:32.10 | karsten | x_link: ... will run three commands w/o having to enter three lines. |
| 23:32.17 | enouf | hehe |
| 23:32.22 | karsten | stew: He'd asked about keys earlier. |
| 23:32.27 | karsten | stew: /lastlog x_link |
| 23:32.35 | stew | karsten: yeah? |
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| 23:32.54 | karsten | stew: No, I'm just making sh*t up. |
| 23:33.45 | bhundven | enouf, wow! I want to be just like you when I grow up... :-D |
| 23:34.05 | carlosz | hi, i'm downloading a debian image with jigdo, can i stop it with ctrl+z and resume later? |
| 23:34.08 | karsten | bhundven: Eat your beans! |
| 23:34.14 | karsten | carlosz: Yes |
| 23:34.18 | bhundven | will do, thanks for the advice! |
| 23:34.21 | enouf | bhundven: you're not my first "groupie" ;-) .. but I'll treat you nice |
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| 23:34.33 | bhundven | lolroflmao |
| 23:34.36 | carlosz | karsten: great, thanks |
| 23:34.54 | ajs | Uh does anybody know how to get apt to tell you why packages are being held back (they're not explicitly held) |
| 23:35.04 | stew | ajs: /msg dpkg kept back |
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| 23:36.47 | sceadugenga | ok, need help. <Zolos> tcp window size, is how much data can be outstanding between the server and you |
| 23:37.02 | sceadugenga | it still shouldn't make any difference to speed, should it? |
| 23:37.28 | sceadugenga | <Zolos> make mtu as big as possible without fragmentation |
| 23:38.03 | karsten | sceadugenga: If you're seeing high latency, and are mostly doing high-volume transfers (eg: nfs, ftp, http file transfers) rather than small interactive packets (games, ssh), yes, it can reduce overhead, as you're incurring less TCP overhead per packet. |
| 23:38.51 | sceadugenga | but won't make a heck of a lot of difference? |
| 23:38.56 | karsten | sceadugenga: However there are other factors which can result in slow net. You're encouraged to use MTR to look at how your intermediate nodes are responding. Could be congestion, could be flakey hardware, could be routing. |
| 23:39.11 | karsten | sceadugenga: It can make a *lot* of differenct in the right context. |
| 23:39.11 | enouf | sceadugenga: /.. do .. you go get hlp elsewhere and "compare" .. rather than taking advice form helpful people? .. smart move .. yeah! right! |
| 23:39.28 | enouf | er typoossss |
| 23:39.36 | karsten | sceadugenga: Would you prefer to move a houseful of lumber in a sports car or in a lorrie? |
| 23:40.12 | enouf | beardie? |
| 23:40.14 | sceadugenga | i like getting help from knowledgable people |
| 23:40.28 | sceadugenga | karsten, sports car :D :P |
| 23:40.49 | karsten | sceadugenga: .... would you prefer to make a dozen out-and-back trips with a can of soup in a sports car or a lorrie? |
| 23:40.54 | enouf | sceadugenga: fwiw .. I suck .. i'm only a janitor here .. but I suggested some things to try ;-) |
| 23:40.54 | hatter | sceadugenga: brrrrrrrr wrong answer |
| 23:41.20 | karsten | sceadugenga: Large MTU == more data per packet, less overall latency loss and overhead, but you're waiting longer between packets. |
| 23:41.41 | sceadugenga | yeah, lorrie |
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| 23:42.24 | karsten | sceadugenga: If the issue is large file transfers, increasing MTU *may* help, *if* latency and TCP overhead are the bottleneck. |
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| 23:42.41 | sceadugenga | it won't make my net jump from =< 200kB/s to 700kB/s though? |
| 23:42.55 | karsten | sceadugenga: If the problem is elsewhere (lots of dropped packets, line congestion, unresponsive remote link, routing errors), it's not going to make much difference. |
| 23:42.59 | hatter | sceadugenga: i dont think so. |
| 23:43.11 | sceadugenga | ok, maybe i should just get another isp |
| 23:43.15 | karsten | sceadugenga: The best test: try it. If it helps, yes, that's your solution. If it doesn't: no, it's not. |
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| 23:43.29 | sceadugenga | well, thank you everyone for your help |
| 23:43.50 | sceadugenga | thank you for your awesome descriptions karsten :D |
| 23:43.56 | sceadugenga | sports car hehehe |
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| 23:44.03 | maddash | are there any encrypted FS that do not reside in userspace? |
| 23:44.03 | aredhel | sceadugenga, if how ever the MTU is too high for some brain dead at your isp then you packet gets split up and is really slowed down. Try setting the MTU to about 1300, and if you get a big seep up, then that was the problem |
| 23:44.15 | karsten | sceadugenga: True story, before you split. |
| 23:44.28 | aredhel | *brain dead equipment. |
| 23:44.34 | karsten | sceadugenga: You've heard the expression "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station-wagon full of tapes". |
| 23:44.46 | karsten | sceadugenga: Time was that the Usenet link between the US and Australia was ... |
| 23:44.51 | karsten | ... not a station wagon ... |
| 23:44.54 | sceadugenga | no i haven't |
| 23:44.55 | sceadugenga | haha |
| 23:44.59 | sceadugenga | :) |
| 23:45.05 | karsten | ... but a 747. Daily flight of the latest traffic. |
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| 23:45.11 | hatter | karsten: in 1993 we had an 8 mb connection to the country |
| 23:45.27 | karsten | hatter: ... and both sides were the better off for it, mate ;-) |
| 23:45.33 | sceadugenga | haha |
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| 23:45.50 | hatter | karsten: now now, i will ssend my pet kangaroo over to jump on you :) |
| 23:46.07 | karsten | hatter: I've got an old reference, 1992ish, on global networking systems. The FIDOnet (IIRC) link to Europe was *one* 9600 baud serial line. |
| 23:46.15 | karsten | hatter: Them's good eating! |
| 23:46.19 | hatter | lol |
| 23:46.24 | karsten | hatter: ... if you like gamey meat. |
| 23:46.26 | hatter | i think the 8m was a little later |
| 23:46.34 | hatter | not much later though than 93 |
| 23:46.53 | hatter | at the same time a school in the states had a 150Mb net connection |
| 23:46.53 | Guerin | yeh |
| 23:46.55 | Guerin | dericious |
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| 23:46.58 | olskolirc | ? |
| 23:47.02 | olskolirc | h |
| 23:47.03 | Guerin | needs careful cooking though |
| 23:47.04 | olskolirc | ? |
| 23:47.06 | olskolirc | hello |
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| 23:47.14 | maddash | what's roo? |
| 23:47.14 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:47.17 | maddash | !roo |
| 23:47.32 | Nyle | yum |
| 23:47.33 | karsten | hatter: When I was in Uni, 1987/88, the "high speed" inter-campus connection at University of California was 56k leased lines. |
| 23:47.37 | karsten | maddash: Kanga. |
| 23:47.37 | chronographer | hi all got a nice easy question: how to get mp3's working? |
| 23:47.38 | Nyle | when I got on the networking my first modem was a 2400 baud |
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| 23:47.45 | karsten | maddash: ... or good eating ;-) |
| 23:47.58 | karsten | Nyle: You had modems! Luxury! |
| 23:48.10 | karsten | chronographer: Ask the RIAA. |
| 23:48.15 | chronographer | !mp3 |
| 23:48.15 | dpkg | i heard mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 23:48.45 | maddash | do people here even use encryption? |
| 23:48.56 | chronographer | is there a package to make prog's play it? |
| 23:49.11 | Guerin | chronographer: debian plays mp3 ootb |
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| 23:49.16 | bhundven | maddash, now if I answer this, you won't ask for my passphrase... will you? |
| 23:49.18 | chronographer | banshee doesn't seem to like it |
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| 23:49.29 | karsten | maddash: 084d24bbed96773031b898def2a3fb8c46134944 |
| 23:49.40 | h3xis | maddash <3 |
| 23:49.47 | chronographer | does banshee need a plugin? |
| 23:49.51 | iamtheric | hmm |
| 23:49.59 | Guerin | !htfswk chronographer |
| 23:49.59 | dpkg | chronographer: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
| 23:49.59 | karsten | !tell chronographer about search |
| 23:50.06 | chronographer | ok ok sorry |
| 23:50.11 | karsten | chronographer: apt-cache search mp3 |
| 23:50.22 | chronographer | i searched all the forums, it sgreat deb plays it ootb |
| 23:50.37 | Nyle | I began work on my website, http://stoned.is.dreaming.org how does it look so far on the layout. BTW what happened to NVU? |
| 23:50.41 | karsten | amphi: Less the format than getting them to work ... as in producing real income. |
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| 23:50.53 | maddash | h3xis: hi |
| 23:51.03 | h3xis | maddash, how's life treatin you |
| 23:51.08 | karsten | !nvu |
| 23:51.08 | dpkg | it has been said that nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com with packages in Sarge and newer for most archs. |
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| 23:51.19 | Nyle | nvu sucks anyway |
| 23:51.25 | UK_PC_Convert | Hi Guys, can anyone help, Its a dumb ass question I am sure, All I want to do is stop gdm from booting when I boot up debian, I have tried setting init to level 3 but it still does it.. Any clues? |
| 23:51.25 | Nyle | I am using bluefish again |
| 23:51.28 | amphi | karsten: ah |
| 23:51.30 | Nyle | its beautiful *tear* |
| 23:51.45 | h3xis | Nyle, i expected you to say vim or emacs |
| 23:51.55 | amphi | !tell UK_PC_Convert about nodm |
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| 23:52.08 | Nyle | well |
| 23:52.16 | UK_PC_Convert | nodm ? |
| 23:52.22 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 23:52.30 | Nyle | my nanorc is extrmemely well configured for syntax highliting |
| 23:52.31 | bhundven | UK_PC_Convert, or: man update-rc.d |
| 23:52.34 | Nyle | I use nano for almost everything |
| 23:52.35 | amphi | UK_PC_Convert: you got a message from dpkg? |
| 23:52.39 | Nyle | but its not multidocument |
| 23:52.44 | Nyle | blue fish is good |
| 23:52.45 | Guerin | Nyle: you have my condolences |
| 23:52.55 | Nyle | Guerin: why? |
| 23:52.56 | Guerin | emacs > for *ml |
| 23:53.09 | Nyle | if it weren't for that e |
| 23:53.10 | Guerin | Nyle: nano isn't an editor which is really intended for heavy lifting |
| 23:53.16 | Nyle | it would be scam backwards |
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| 23:53.18 | Nyle | pfft. |
| 23:53.54 | Guerin | heh |
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| 23:54.02 | master_o1_master | hi, is it possible to tell the kernel to clear the filecache? |
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| 23:54.46 | Zarephath | Hi I am looking for software that can capture audio directly from the soundcard..I assume that would be /dev/dsp in linux? |
| 23:54.51 | fsmunoz | . |
| 23:55.03 | blackelf | how to display fingrprints of my own sshd RSA/DSA keys? |
| 23:55.03 | Nyle | Zarephath: yes |
| 23:55.15 | Nyle | blackelf: ~/.ssh |
| 23:55.19 | Nyle | they should be in there |
| 23:55.29 | blackelf | Nyle: I mean the system servers key |
| 23:55.36 | blackelf | sshd server |
| 23:55.36 | Zarephath | Nyle: Anyhelp on the first part of my query? |
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| 23:55.46 | MatBoy | man, I would like if there was a opensource project that can have multiple nodes for storage seen as one volume |
| 23:55.48 | enouf | amphi: and whoever else; do you really not see the conection ? .. if not .. no comment |
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| 23:55.59 | maddash | mmm leafpad |
| 23:56.08 | Nyle | Zarephath: how do you mean directly? |
| 23:56.45 | blackelf | I have /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key how to show its checksum |
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| 23:57.02 | Nyle | blackelf: I dunno |
| 23:57.05 | Zarephath | Well if I am playing music off a given website(not shoutcast, live365) I need to be able and "record" the audio that is playing through /dev/dsp |
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| 23:57.37 | enouf | unfortunately .. the most "insiduous" deeds are somewhat hard to explain .. especially if it takes YEARS to implement your evil strategy, semi-laced with truth .. |
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| 23:57.51 | Nyle | Zarephath: you can't save the steamed content? |
| 23:57.58 | maddash | !encryption |
| 23:57.59 | Nyle | streamed* |
| 23:58.03 | maddash | !ecryptfs |
| 23:58.07 | Maliuta | anyone know what iceweasle looks for when it starts up (i.e. the file it tries to stat to determine if it is already running) |
| 23:58.15 | Maliuta | fecking thing reckons it |
| 23:58.23 | Maliuta | it's still runnin |
| 23:58.24 | enouf | !shoot RIAA/MPAA/DRM/DMCA/TCPA |
| 23:58.34 | Zarephath | Nyle: Not as far as I know...it actually has a web interface in firefox to playback the music |
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| 23:58.46 | aredhel | blackelf, ssh to localhost from that box. if you have allready done that, do it as a new user. |
| 23:58.48 | enouf | dpkg thanks nice choice |
| 23:58.49 | dpkg | no worries, enouf |
| 23:58.56 | blackelf | !bitchslap DRM |
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| 23:59.08 | Nyle | Zarephath: hmm. I know you can somehow take /dev/dsp and redirect it to a file but I think you will get raw data and not an encoded audio file |
| 23:59.09 | blackelf | aredhel: how to do it in not so silly wa |
| 23:59.16 | Nyle | Zarephath: I'm not sure how to go about doing that |
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| 23:59.34 | enouf | !welcome dr jekyll and mr hyde |
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| 23:59.37 | Zarephath | Nyle: Ok thanks though for the help.. |
| 23:59.43 | Stevie-O | greetings |
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| 23:59.55 | enouf | blackelf: that was for you :-P |
