| 00:00.16 | aredhel | blackelf, man ssh-keyscan? |
| 00:00.25 | Stevie-O | when I type 'apt-get source bsdutils', it tells me it can't find a source pkg for 'util-linux'. what gives? |
| 00:00.33 | blackelf | aredhel: thanks |
| 00:00.55 | abrotman | Stevie-O: it's broken ? |
| 00:00.58 | UK_PC_Convert | thanks guys |
| 00:01.03 | UK_PC_Convert | worked a trat |
| 00:01.08 | UK_PC_Convert | treat even |
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| 00:01.14 | blackelf | !bitchslap enouf |
| 00:01.24 | enouf | !lart blackelf |
| 00:01.39 | Stevie-O | abrotman: Which thing is broken? |
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| 00:01.49 | enouf | !aolify blackelf |
| 00:01.54 | abrotman | enouf: done? |
| 00:02.06 | abrotman | Stevie-O: apt-get update fix anything ? |
| 00:02.18 | amphi | enouf: what? |
| 00:02.19 | Stevie-O | nope :( |
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| 00:02.56 | blackelf | I have idea |
| 00:02.57 | enouf | who? |
| 00:03.08 | blackelf | why not rebuild important server binaries with -fPic |
| 00:03.17 | Stevie-O | ooh |
| 00:03.23 | Stevie-O | that's weird |
| 00:03.24 | blackelf | it will then work with security tools without need to install gentoo |
| 00:03.39 | amphi | enouf> amphi: and whoever else; do you really not see the conection ? .. if not .. no comment |
| 00:03.40 | Stevie-O | ok, so there's a bug in apt somewhere |
| 00:03.57 | blackelf | Stevie-O: there is, aptlib segfaults recently |
| 00:04.07 | abrotman | Stevie-O: fixed or not ? |
| 00:04.25 | enouf | amphi: between mp3 and corp greedy "associations" .. but nm .. I'm going to sleep now] |
| 00:05.23 | Stevie-O | abrotman: I did 'apt-get source util-linux' and it was happy |
| 00:05.23 | enouf | !cheesesteak abrotman |
| 00:05.29 | enouf | now I am :-P |
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| 00:06.01 | abrotman | Stevie-O: that's nice :) |
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| 00:09.48 | Ki11Bi11 | is there a kernel for dmraid via chipset? |
| 00:09.55 | Azar | Debian founder to visit Microsoft... yeah now lots of speculations floating around.. |
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| 00:10.47 | Azar | is he still involved with the Debian project? |
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| 00:10.55 | abrotman | maybe he needs a job eh? |
| 00:11.00 | kiba | hiho |
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| 00:11.35 | kiba | so if I want to do something like svn update opencity in my home directory.... |
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| 00:13.51 | Azar | abrotman: is he still involved with Debian? |
| 00:14.05 | abrotman | to some degree i'm sure |
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| 00:14.42 | holycow | Azar, where did you read that? |
| 00:14.56 | Azar | ..to such degree that he could say strike a deal with ms like novell did? |
| 00:15.09 | Azar | holycow: http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=272 |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | Azar: no single person could |
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| 00:15.21 | Azar | ahhh :) ok |
| 00:15.28 | holycow | oh god |
| 00:15.35 | holycow | murdock is officially insane |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | Azar: he was invited to speak .. like many other F/OSS luminaries |
| 00:15.57 | Azar | abrotman: yeah I saw that I hope is just a speech |
| 00:16.12 | abrotman | oh . maybe they gave him pizza too! |
| 00:16.26 | rahul | MS Pizza |
| 00:16.28 | rahul | (tm) |
| 00:17.02 | abrotman | those are some of the stupidest comments i've ever seen |
| 00:17.12 | Azar | at the next DPL election the candidates should be screen about their tendency to agree/not agree with interoperability with other OSes like ms |
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| 00:17.37 | maddash | !xfs |
| 00:17.37 | dpkg | well, xfs is the filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance journalling and large disk support. see http://linux-xfs.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ or http://www.lwfug.org/debian/ for xfs deb tools and deb kernels, or far better and more mature than reiserfs, but not as mature (in linux) as ext3. It notoriously loses data if you have unexpected power failures. |
| 00:17.39 | hatta | is anyone agains interoperability? |
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| 00:18.00 | Azar | hatta: I am |
| 00:18.08 | kiba | http://pastie.caboo.se/41805 |
| 00:18.08 | Flakk | hello people I have a question about the GPARTED program. I would be trying to shrink my /nome (it has some free space) . however the GPRTED which seem to be specially designed for that does not work. any help? should I first unmount my /hda7 first? |
| 00:18.16 | lotus-blade | what is the default ftp server installed by debian? |
| 00:18.22 | kiba | I wonder if the cron stuff I wrote is correctly written? |
| 00:18.38 | hatta | Azar, how are you going to stop them from interoperating? |
| 00:18.42 | rahul | you know, the xfs factoid is inaccurate, now that xfs has the write barrier |
| 00:18.45 | rahul | oh well |
| 00:18.46 | hatta | all the code is free |
| 00:19.04 | holycow | Azar, thank god for open source so no one single individual can do stupid shit like this |
| 00:19.17 | Azar | hatta: nothing, but if that would be the future of Debian I would look at another OS to use |
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| 00:19.46 | abrotman | rahul: so fix it |
| 00:19.51 | hatta | what exactly are you talking about when you say "interoperability" |
| 00:19.53 | Azar | holycow: I started doubting of "open source" theorists lately |
| 00:19.57 | kiba | it it did, RMS and everyone else would be greedy bastards |
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| 00:20.13 | holycow | thats a problem Azar |
| 00:20.15 | holycow | its not a theory |
| 00:20.19 | kiba | if it did, RMS and everyone else would be greedy bastards* |
| 00:20.19 | holycow | its life it self |
| 00:20.24 | holycow | freedom incarnate |
| 00:20.35 | holycow | i.e. non negotiable |
| 00:20.36 | kiba | open source advocate are absolutely convinced that the Open Source way is the correct way |
| 00:20.55 | holycow | well actually no |
| 00:20.56 | hatta | well open source is a process, and people have theorized about it |
| 00:20.57 | holycow | thats wrong |
| 00:20.58 | Azar | holycow: some people within the open source movement are tweaking the concepts lately |
| 00:21.02 | kiba | what open source does is appeal to the corporate mindset |
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| 00:21.12 | holycow | open source advocates are convinced its the right way FOR THEM |
| 00:21.18 | kiba | open source != Free softwares |
| 00:21.35 | holycow | as long as its gpl its irrelevant |
| 00:21.37 | kiba | although they are often both |
| 00:21.42 | Azar | I am more with FSF than with open source |
| 00:21.42 | holycow | Azar, lol like who? |
| 00:21.58 | abrotman | !lol |
| 00:21.58 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 00:22.08 | holycow | open source is just marketing terminology to get around the public image of rms |
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| 00:22.18 | holycow | which is fine, both are required |
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| 00:22.34 | kiba | holycow: yup something like that |
| 00:22.36 | Azar | holycow: marketing is a perverse terminology |
| 00:22.51 | kiba | RMS is however, correct. |
| 00:22.56 | holycow | only on the corporate sense |
| 00:22.57 | rahul | holycow: it is needed because they don't agree with RMS's zealotry |
| 00:23.02 | holycow | marketing boils down to communication |
| 00:23.22 | kiba | open source is just bs |
| 00:23.23 | rahul | Open Source is like Socialism, whereas Free Software is like Communism |
| 00:23.26 | holycow | the sleazy part of marketing is that corporations have incentive to lie as part of the communiation process |
| 00:23.31 | holycow | thus marketing is sleazy by extension yes |
| 00:23.33 | kiba | Free software is not communism |
| 00:23.34 | Azar | publicity and marketing are doing nothing but damaging the free software movement |
| 00:23.42 | rahul | Open Source accepts the existence of things outside of itself |
| 00:23.43 | kiba | Free software support capitialism more then communism |
| 00:23.45 | holycow | rahul, the problem isn't rms its the people |
| 00:23.48 | holycow | rms isn't a zealot |
| 00:23.51 | Ki11Bi11 | os means you gewt more by sharing |
| 00:23.59 | rahul | Free Software wants to eliminate everything outside of it |
| 00:24.04 | holycow | a zealot is someone that insists on other people following their way ... somehow forcing them |
| 00:24.07 | Ki11Bi11 | s/gwet/get |
| 00:24.11 | holycow | rms simply acts and lives in accordance to his beleifs |
| 00:24.12 | rahul | holycow: yes, that's what RMS wants |
| 00:24.16 | kiba | holycow: there is a logical fallcy. That would be like being in the moderate camp of slavery. |
| 00:24.25 | rahul | holycow: yeah, by stealing routers from the MIT AI lab |
| 00:24.29 | holycow | he can wish all he wants but he doesn't force anyone to view it that way |
| 00:24.32 | abrotman | oh god .. please someone ask for support! |
| 00:24.39 | Ki11Bi11 | is there a kernel for dmraid via chipset? |
| 00:24.44 | amphi | heh |
| 00:24.44 | holycow | i'm here by choice not because rms put a gun to my head |
| 00:24.58 | holycow | and to boot, rms has the gall of actually following what he preaches |
| 00:24.59 | rahul | Ki11Bi11: linux does software raid by itself. disable it in your bios. |
| 00:24.59 | holycow | how dare he |
| 00:25.05 | Azar | rahul: no Free Software does not want to be confined under contracts, patents and agreements that would limit people's freedom of using the software |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | Ki11Bi11: dmraidisn't real raid |
| 00:25.28 | holycow | kiba, i have no idea what that means. i don't think that refers to anything i said tho ... ? |
| 00:25.29 | rahul | Azar: Free Software also does not want non-Free Software to exist. |
| 00:25.43 | kiba | zealots are extremist label right? |
| 00:25.50 | holycow | Azar, thats not true, free software infact HAS A CONTRACT |
| 00:25.51 | holycow | its the gpl |
| 00:25.52 | rahul | Azar: that's the point of the GPL. for example, readline. |
| 00:25.52 | Ki11Bi11 | abrotman, i know but if it is cheap and reliable i'll use it anyway |
| 00:25.52 | Azar | rahul: and is a good thing that software be non-free? |
| 00:25.58 | kiba | sometime the best position is not neccessary the middle road |
| 00:26.01 | rahul | Azar: it's not a good or bad thing |
| 00:26.03 | bokey | what a mess |
| 00:26.03 | holycow | it uses copyright to insist on fairness |
| 00:26.05 | rahul | Azar: it's sometimes needed. |
| 00:26.06 | abrotman | Ki11Bi11: just use the swraid built into linux |
| 00:26.22 | abrotman | !info vrms sarge |
| 00:26.35 | dpkg | vrms: (Virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.9 (sarge), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 00:26.37 | rahul | Ki11Bi11: it does nothing, really. |
| 00:26.50 | Ki11Bi11 | abrotman, the drives have to sync and partitioned don't they? |
| 00:26.54 | rahul | Ki11Bi11: linux has software raid already. dmraid is for windows, which doesn't have software raid. |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | Ki11Bi11: and linux swraid can do that |
| 00:27.05 | abrotman | !swraid |
| 00:27.08 | kiba | open source is like the middle ground |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | bah .. there's a howto at tldp.org |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | Azar: you've gotta stop reading that crap .. those comments are horrible |
| 00:27.44 | Azar | besides Debian there is only one oasis to be found : FreeBSD |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | "Microsoft is probably looking at Debian because it is the best Linux file system." |
| 00:27.56 | abrotman | and yes .. that's a real comment :) |
| 00:28.02 | Azar | abrotman: yeah, I have ruined my afternoon with that |
| 00:28.09 | rahul | haha |
| 00:28.30 | abrotman | of course .. the next line is |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | "Ian, use the force! Kill any pacts with the Death Star and avoid the Dark Side. Bill Gates is not your Father! - He is Darth Vader, so watch your "6"." |
| 00:28.41 | holycow | Azar, what do you mean besides debian? |
| 00:28.44 | Ki11Bi11 | you need to look at opensource from an economic point not political or philosophical point |
| 00:28.46 | Azar | :) |
| 00:28.49 | holycow | suse and redhat are as free as debian |
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| 00:28.55 | abrotman | holycow: not quite |
| 00:29.02 | Azar | holycow: give me a break |
| 00:29.04 | holycow | stripping out any proprietary garbage maybe isn't trivial but doable |
| 00:29.12 | Azar | they are just ms wannabees |
| 00:29.20 | holycow | its not like suse or redhat control anything but a particular configuration of the toolset |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman | though debian does have blobs in the kernel |
| 00:29.32 | kiba | holycow: no propreitary softwares on me. |
| 00:29.33 | eldowan | abrotman: I didn't know that debian is a linux file system. |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | duh |
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| 00:29.57 | abrotman | kiba: are you sure you're not using any ? |
| 00:30.07 | holycow | kiba, super cool. i try to as well wherever i can. |
| 00:30.08 | kiba | abrotman: Debian is fairly strict |
| 00:30.13 | eldowan | where have I been all this time |
| 00:30.19 | abrotman | kiba: there are blobs in the kernel |
| 00:30.22 | kiba | it is impossible not to use google though |
| 00:30.31 | kiba | abrotman: what does that mean? |
| 00:30.33 | holycow | i haveto make the occassional concession, but as per mark shuttleworth, its considered a 'bug' to be worked out as opportunity allows |
| 00:30.43 | kiba | google's software is propreitary, correct? |
| 00:30.51 | kiba | but what we would used for search engine? |
| 00:30.51 | Ki11Bi11 | the basic thrust of open source is you get more by sharing. either its true or it isn't |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | kiba: non-free(speech) binary only blobs in the debian kernel |
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| 00:31.11 | amphi | kiba: they don't distribute it, do they? |
| 00:31.16 | kiba | yeah |
| 00:31.18 | Azar | holycow: there are those linux distros that don't want to evolve independently, they just go with the borg : commercialization, what brings in the money and nothing more |
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| 00:31.49 | kiba | commercialization is not neccessary bad |
| 00:31.51 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, there is some research to show that under certain conditions in a tit for tat game theory situation, the optimal situation is actually that and guaranteed to happen |
| 00:32.20 | kiba | does Free softwares follow the tit for tat game theory |
| 00:32.31 | kiba | ? |
| 00:32.36 | holycow | i think free software/open source falls into that category because the economics of software are VERY different from hardware manufacturers ... your distribution costs are zero and affect the whole equation |
| 00:32.38 | Azar | once they got in the money's vicious cycle and start competing who sells what faster and for bigger profit, there is no quality software anymore, is just greediness and disrespect for the end users |
| 00:32.51 | bokey | FS is not about software. It's about freedom |
| 00:32.54 | Ki11Bi11 | holycow, i was thinking game theory too, but the main thing is the means of production and reproduction and distribution |
| 00:32.56 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:33.01 | holycow | Azar, i think thats maybe not exactly a subtle enough description |
| 00:33.08 | kiba | FS is about providing users software freedom... |
| 00:33.16 | rahul | this is insane |
| 00:33.21 | kiba | Azar: but we need money, right? |
| 00:33.23 | abrotman | i'm not mad .. it's just been going on and on :) |
| 00:33.34 | rahul | I feel like I'm talking to NYU potheads. |
| 00:33.35 | holycow | Azar, i hate novell now as a result of their deal with ms but that doesn't change the fact that the people there are probably good people trying hard and paying the bills |
| 00:33.41 | Azar | ok guys MY FAULT stop it. Damn politics.. |
| 00:33.41 | kiba | to be honest, I am going to commercialize Free softwares |
| 00:33.42 | holycow | there is wiggle room |
| 00:33.46 | abrotman | rahul: welcome to #debian |
| 00:33.53 | kiba | the softwares that I wrote |
| 00:33.54 | holycow | with ms on the other hand, i have very very serious problems with them |
| 00:33.56 | rahul | yeah. |
| 00:33.57 | Nyle | ah rahul guess what |
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| 00:34.01 | rahul | zealots will be zealots |
| 00:34.05 | Nyle | I had a backup of all my beats! |
| 00:34.06 | kiba | Free softwares are not against commercial softwares |
| 00:34.06 | rahul | Nyle: you're stoned? |
| 00:34.07 | rahul | heh |
| 00:34.13 | Nyle | all I lost were all the stuff I recorded |
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| 00:34.17 | Azar | where is stoned? |
| 00:34.19 | Nyle | maybe I'll find a backup of somewhere |
| 00:34.23 | rahul | kiba: the FSF is against commerical software. |
| 00:34.23 | Nyle | Azar: right here |
| 00:34.24 | eldowan | Nyle: that sucks |
| 00:34.24 | abrotman | Azar: Nyle is stoned |
| 00:34.24 | Azar | gah he is not here |
| 00:34.36 | kiba | rahul: you mean propretiary softwares |
| 00:34.37 | Azar | stoned! I got something for you |
| 00:34.41 | rahul | kiba: and the licenses are designed to make writing commercial software harder |
| 00:34.43 | bokey | !beer everyone |
| 00:34.44 | Nyle | Azar: whats up |
| 00:34.49 | kiba | rahul: false |
| 00:34.51 | holycow | i could never for example do what ian is doing in light of what ms had done and keeps on doing in the marketplace |
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| 00:35.05 | kiba | they were designed in mind for freedom |
| 00:35.12 | Azar | see if your name is there: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37739 |
| 00:35.16 | kiba | not anti-commercialization |
| 00:35.38 | holycow | kiba, exactly |
| 00:35.44 | holycow | its a slight distinctio nthat most people miss |
| 00:35.49 | kiba | the license said that you can use it for commercial purpose |
| 00:35.54 | holycow | even in our community wher epeople are usually somewhat politically aware |
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| 00:36.09 | abrotman | hey look .. a shiny! |
| 00:36.15 | kiba | and it said that you can make a profit off the software |
| 00:36.18 | Nyle | Azar: no |
| 00:36.22 | holycow | ultimately no one says you haveto write free software, fsf is an expression of a viewpoint that suits a group of people |
| 00:36.23 | kiba | only if you follow the license |
| 00:36.24 | bokey | apple sucks :P |
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| 00:36.31 | Azar | holycow, kiba, rahul commercialize all you want leave Debian alone |
| 00:36.32 | Ki11Bi11 | holycow, ms makes software easy, peolpe pay billions not to have to read faqs and howtos and they may have a point |
| 00:36.38 | Azar | stoned: good for you :) |
| 00:36.45 | rahul | kiba: _use_ it. developing free software for commercial purposes is almost impossible. |
| 00:36.48 | fsmunoz | The FSF sold the software as the main source of income for much of the 80's/90's, only recently having associate membership and donations surpassing that. So commercialization was not only allowed, but personally important. |
| 00:36.57 | abrotman | rahul: that's not true .. happens every day |
| 00:37.08 | abrotman | gah .. sucked me .. you bastards! |
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| 00:37.11 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, really? well talk to my Ubuntu users. I have about 10 desktops for a year now in homes (adult users, young kids, grammas) |
| 00:37.13 | rahul | abrotman: people develop free software to sell it to others? |
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| 00:37.23 | kiba | rahul: false, I don't need to sell the softwares. I can make money off other way. Like selling services |
| 00:37.29 | abrotman | rahul: mysql ? |
| 00:37.32 | rahul | kiba: that's what I said. |
| 00:37.35 | fsmunoz | Was and is, one can still buy the GNU collection of software. |
| 00:37.35 | abrotman | rahul: people buy RH |
| 00:37.41 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, they didn't pay me a dime or debian a dime and they haven't called once despite the rfact i keep on urging them to use synaptic and explore |
| 00:37.44 | kiba | rahul: it is still commercialization |
| 00:37.46 | rahul | heh, don't forget jboss! |
| 00:37.57 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, i don't thinkyou have done enough pilots to really justify that statement :) |
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| 00:37.59 | rahul | they charge for docs and for fixing the code so that it actually runs! |
| 00:38.04 | kiba | I probably sell a few CDs or two |
| 00:38.16 | bokey | kiba, what CD ? |
| 00:38.36 | holycow | the reason we are switching to debian ... well there are a lot of reasons |
| 00:38.37 | Azar | everything starts in a "garage" then ends up in the market shelves for a $ xxx.xx |
| 00:38.47 | holycow | but the primary one is that i.t. isn't a product, its a process |
| 00:38.50 | bokey | Azar, yo! :) |
| 00:38.52 | Ki11Bi11 | holycow, ms position in the marketplace justifes it...money talks |
| 00:38.59 | Azar | right bokey? |
| 00:39.01 | holycow | you CANNOT productize software and keep a customer happy |
| 00:39.02 | kiba | like selling physical copy of Free softwares |
| 00:39.19 | kiba | holycow: so you make it a service? |
| 00:39.20 | bokey | Azar, yeah. We are all Garagians. |
| 00:39.23 | holycow | customers don't haveto know how to compile a kernel but they should be able to engage the process to the degree they see fit |
| 00:39.25 | bokey | Azar, :) |
| 00:39.30 | holycow | kiba, *bingo* |
| 00:39.30 | kiba | making the software harder to use would cut in the profit to me |
| 00:39.39 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, actually thats wrong too |
| 00:39.52 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, the ms position in the marketplace is basically this: |
| 00:39.57 | Azar | ah and installation CDs |
| 00:40.02 | bokey | Vista sucks. |
| 00:40.07 | kiba | holycow: I was thinking of the same excat way |
| 00:40.20 | holycow | users, with little spare time on their hands don't have time to learn tech to make a good choice. so they make the easy + cheapest choice. thats ms. |
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| 00:40.32 | oOo | hello |
| 00:40.40 | holycow | it has nothing to do with ease of use or beauty or whatever value add you might have. apple was 15 years ahead of its time in 85 |
| 00:40.51 | holycow | but users can't understand tech, don't have time and are cheap. |
| 00:40.56 | holycow | so they buy cheap and good enough |
| 00:41.06 | bokey | holycow, apple is next ms period"." |
| 00:41.07 | holycow | ms IN NO WAY is easy |
| 00:41.07 | Ki11Bi11 | buisnesses are cheap bastards, if they thought they could bump ms and survive on opensource, they would in a heartbeat |
| 00:41.08 | holycow | infact |
| 00:41.25 | kiba | as for my business plan: my customers are not actually my users |
| 00:41.35 | holycow | i remember the old dos days ... the REASON a good number of people (techies) bought pcs instead of macs was for the 'openess' |
| 00:41.37 | Azar | personally I'd buy and Debian product as long as it stays free |
| 00:41.44 | holycow | you couldn't hack a mac but you could a pc |
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| 00:41.57 | rahul | huh? |
| 00:42.00 | rahul | I've hacked macs |
| 00:42.09 | kiba | the users get the best deal, they don't have to pay much anything, unless they really want to |
| 00:42.27 | holycow | open source really serves the EXACT same category right now. we arent' exactly on store shelves and might never be, but ms actually used to be in the place open source was at one point in time |
| 00:42.28 | rahul | my friend with a PC had a hell of a time hacking it like I did |
| 00:42.34 | holycow | ms was NEVER about ease of use |
| 00:42.39 | holycow | thats a very very recent value add for them |
| 00:42.40 | Azar | Id buy a Debian "user membership" for example so I can contribute directly and more often |
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| 00:42.56 | holycow | bokey, i agree philosophically, apple is worse than ms in a lot of ways |
| 00:43.11 | holycow | Azar, one of the things definately missing here is some business sense |
| 00:43.11 | holycow | :) |
| 00:43.14 | holycow | even a little bit |
| 00:43.14 | holycow | hehe |
| 00:43.16 | rahul | apple was always more about keeping the system open |
| 00:43.21 | rahul | that was the whole point of MacHack |
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| 00:43.23 | holycow | what? |
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| 00:43.30 | Azar | holycow: no business sense, just active involvement |
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| 00:43.34 | holycow | lol i have NEVER EVER met a person taht bouhght a mac to hack it |
| 00:43.34 | rahul | but that kind of died around system 8 or so. |
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| 00:43.36 | kiba | spammers? |
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| 00:43.41 | bokey | holycow, let's not dwell on philosophical issues. :) Be Practical. Debian rules. Everything else sucks. |
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| 00:43.45 | Azar | !ops Zesturian |
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| 00:43.47 | holycow | you didn't pay $2000 dollars in the 80's so you could hack your mack |
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| 00:43.53 | rahul | holycow: why not? |
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| 00:44.04 | holycow | you bought a cheap pc from parts and farted around because you could get dos for next to nothign and throw it on there |
| 00:44.05 | Azar | thanks dondelecaro |
| 00:44.10 | kiba | thanks |
| 00:44.14 | rahul | holycow: and then had nothing to hack, heh |
| 00:44.24 | rahul | at least the Mac had something there so you could hack it |
| 00:44.24 | holycow | rahul, 2k in the 80's was a lot more than it is now, and people still don't pay 2k to hack a mac |
| 00:44.33 | Ki11Bi11 | thankyou dondelelcaro |
| 00:44.36 | rahul | well, macs are less hackable now |
| 00:44.44 | abrotman | holycow: people did do that |
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| 00:44.46 | kiba | I don't know why a lot of people think linux is hard to use |
| 00:44.50 | holycow | rahul, well your spllitting hair, you had the money :) the point i'm making is that ms in th e80's was the 'open' choice so to speak |
| 00:45.06 | rahul | MS wasn't open. it ran on random shit. |
| 00:45.16 | holycow | abrotman, you need to introduce me to people who had 2k to blow on screwing up their box back then |
| 00:45.19 | rahul | MacOS was more open |
| 00:45.21 | holycow | they must be worth more now :) |
| 00:45.24 | bokey | kiba, it's more to do with click and run sort of applications that Gnu/Linux world lacks. |
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| 00:45.32 | abrotman | holycow: poke around .. |
| 00:45.38 | holycow | rahul, the architecture was open, ms came along for the ride and sold that as a feature |
| 00:45.43 | maddash | i want to compile and run 2.6.19, but there is no debian patch for it. will i encounter any problems? |
| 00:45.51 | abrotman | holycow: they existed |
| 00:46.01 | rahul | holycow: macs interoperated better with Unix and Lisp boxes. |
| 00:46.06 | holycow | i don't doubt there were a few sure |
| 00:46.28 | rahul | PCs had their own random proprietary standards |
| 00:46.30 | holycow | probably :) |
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| 00:46.39 | rahul | macs used industry-standard interfaces. |
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| 00:46.44 | Ki11Bi11 | also it has to be said that unix progams and even the unix operating systems were way toooo expensive,but alot of that has changed now;) |
| 00:46.45 | _kaiser_ | hello, I'm trying to modify the sudo PATH... I added my user to the sudo group so that sudo would then have the same PATH as the user, but this isn't working...any ideas? |
| 00:46.58 | Azar | bokey: I understand many people have different views about what a PC should be and, the vast majority were brainwashed by ms that a PC should run all errands in a home, cook, make coffee, play your fav music, movies.. and so on. |
| 00:47.08 | holycow | well sure but anyway i was just kinda talking about Ki11Bi11 poitn about ms being the big guy in the marketplace because of their ease of use and other justifications |
| 00:47.22 | holycow | which of course is bunk, they were never about that |
| 00:47.25 | solemnwarning | Has anyone here tried running multiseat X.org using options like -sharevts? |
| 00:47.41 | holycow | and still arent if you define your target audience well enough |
| 00:47.42 | abrotman | solemnwarning: tried asking #xorg ? |
| 00:47.44 | Ki11Bi11 | also their driver support |
| 00:47.47 | PingFloyd | if it was about ease of use, macs would be killing everyone |
| 00:47.51 | holycow | what driver support? |
| 00:47.57 | holycow | microsoft HAS NO driver support |
| 00:48.01 | abrotman | PingFloyd: i don't find them easy to use |
| 00:48.03 | holycow | its the manufacturers that write the drivers |
| 00:48.03 | solemnwarning | I tried setting up multiseating between my normal dual-headed X11 and the TV out on my card, but X crashed I had to hard reset |
| 00:48.05 | holycow | damn dude c'mon |
| 00:48.11 | _kaiser_ | anyone know how to change the PATH for sudo? |
| 00:48.15 | Azar | bokey: for me a PC is a PC and what am I expecting from it? help me write documents, help on calculations, access the net and read information, and interact with other people via forums, irc.. etc. And ofcourse play some games. |
| 00:48.21 | PingFloyd | abrotman: what's hard about plugging something in and flipping the switch? |
| 00:48.26 | solemnwarning | #xorg should be name #even-deader-then-##posix |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | _kaiser_: you want it to match the user path or the root path ? |
| 00:48.30 | Ki11Bi11 | PingFloyd, thye would if they dropped their prices to compete with ms |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | PingFloyd: it's not that easy for all tasks |
| 00:48.41 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: user |
| 00:48.41 | maddash | anyone? |
| 00:48.54 | bokey | Azar, I like Saurbraten. what about you ? |
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| 00:48.57 | abrotman | _kaiser_: what is special about your user path ? |
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| 00:49.02 | abrotman | solemnwarning: #freedesktop ? |
| 00:49.04 | rahul | for me, a PC can do anything concievable |
| 00:49.23 | PingFloyd | maybe not the sort of the things that would interest you or I, but the stuff the average users cares about, it's no brainer with. |
| 00:49.30 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: well, I actually did change the root PATH, but sudo doesn't even use the same path as root, or the user |
| 00:49.30 | Azar | bokey: Saurbraten mit was ? |
| 00:49.43 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: I just can't seem to find a way to modify the path for sudo |
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| 00:50.20 | Azar | maddash: I am not sure if 2.6.19 is already packaged |
| 00:50.29 | bokey | Azar, cube. Can't r/w german. |
| 00:50.46 | Azar | bokey: cube as in the game? |
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| 00:51.00 | bokey | Azar, yeah. |
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| 00:51.24 | holycow | PingFloyd, you are right the purchasing decision is complicated overall. my interaction with the microsoft demographic is that its about two things: a) cheap and b) stick with what they know, learning is too much work |
| 00:51.34 | Azar | bokey: I have some good games here that keep me happy , and if I want more I could get a console and play away to my heart's delight |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | _kaiser_: there are options for sudo |
| 00:51.42 | holycow | PingFloyd, the neat thing is that its not a permanent state tho, you can modify it over time |
| 00:51.55 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: for the sudo package? or in the sudo config? |
| 00:51.58 | holycow | as well the other neat thing is that there is no such ting as 'average user' as a demographic |
| 00:52.17 | predder | <kiba> I don't know why a lot of people think linux is hard to use <-- I know it's not "linux" but try setup dual monitors for the first time in the same amount of time it would take on a windows box |
| 00:52.17 | holycow | that demographic can be sliced infinately and you get many overlapping subgroupings |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | _kaiser_: in the sudo man page .. to make it do certain things .. some of them might be useful .. i'm still looking for a place to set it |
| 00:52.25 | holycow | and you can attack those instead much more successfully |
| 00:52.43 | solemnwarning | #freedesktop is also dead |
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| 00:52.49 | holycow | predder, sure, grab suse and go. its infact less clicks on suse |
| 00:52.53 | bokey | rahul, i'd like to own one of those USB powered fry pan. |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | solemnwarning: those are your two best bets .. or find a mailing list |
| 00:52.59 | bokey | rahul, pretty nice. |
| 00:53.00 | solemnwarning | >.< |
| 00:53.05 | holycow | predder, no one likes yast so no one has ported their interface here |
| 00:53.06 | solemnwarning | mailing lists! |
| 00:53.09 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: ok... http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/sudo.htm -- I was looking at this page for changing the sudo path to be the same as the user, but it didn't work. |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | it's not like you're asking a simple question solemnwarning |
| 00:53.24 | Azar | bokey: lbreakout2, Neverball, Neverputt, liquidwar, Enigman, Pathological.. |
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| 00:53.47 | bokey | !beer Azar |
| 00:53.52 | holycow | predder, so its not a valid question because you can change the comparison area |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | _kaiser_: it tells you how to do it |
| 00:54.06 | Azar | bokey: they are in the Debian Stable repositories... |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | _kaiser_: what's the output of 'groups' ? |
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| 00:54.15 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: it didn't work. |
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| 00:54.30 | bokey | Azar, right. just looking at the snapshots first. |
| 00:54.32 | abrotman | 'groups' didn't work ? |
| 00:54.32 | maddash | !debian build server |
| 00:54.33 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: my user shows sudo from 'groups' |
| 00:54.48 | abrotman | _kaiser_: did you logout/login after adding yourself ? |
| 00:54.56 | Azar | bokey: there is allways the "uninstall" command :) believe me I tried them first |
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| 00:55.11 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: yes, no help |
| 00:55.27 | predder | sorry holycow you completely lost me. Is Suse free as in beer though? |
| 00:55.32 | abrotman | _kaiser_: maybe try with -i |
| 00:55.59 | Azar | predder: is not about the money, is about perversion |
| 00:55.59 | sceadugenga | i wish beer was free |
| 00:56.02 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: wtf... it works with -i |
| 00:56.05 | holycow | predder, is windows? |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | _kaiser_: man sudo .. see what -i does |
| 00:56.32 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: ahh, thanks... that worked :) |
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| 00:56.50 | holycow | predder, the most important thing to remember is that open source / free software doesn't exist so that we can work for free to provide the ungratefull a free product |
| 00:57.04 | holycow | it exists for us that are part of the process, that is the basis |
| 00:57.10 | hardlined | anybody have experience restoring a system with a deleted /bin without reinstalling? |
| 00:57.30 | Azar | holycow: nothing wrong about rewarding the developers I am there with you |
| 00:57.37 | predder | <holycow> predder, is windows? <-- so that's a "no"? |
| 00:57.42 | abrotman | _kaiser_: but you should read hte man page to understand why :) |
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| 00:57.48 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 00:57.48 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
| 00:57.50 | holycow | Azar, absolutely. if you want to see what happens when you start getting the ungratefull onboard, go to #ubuntu |
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| 00:58.01 | holycow | mostly good people but they are going to start suffering from the eternal september |
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| 00:58.14 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: yeah, I did read it. I understand. :) |
| 00:58.19 | holycow | which is a really neat concept i only recently discovered, let me post a link to the definition |
| 00:58.23 | Azar | and I would Buy Debian no matter how much would cost. And if I can't do that i would contribute. |
| 00:58.24 | _kaiser_ | abrotman: thank you. |
| 00:58.45 | Azar | holycow: heh, I can imagine |
| 00:58.46 | holycow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endless_September |
| 00:58.57 | abrotman | _kaiser_: enjoy |
| 00:59.00 | holycow | read that i never considered that from a real support level perspective |
| 00:59.02 | _kaiser_ | :) |
| 00:59.20 | holycow | but we haveto actually be carefull JUST HOW successfull we want to be in getting the ungratefull to come onboard |
| 00:59.25 | solemnwarning | I wonder if the bug which is breaking X will be fixed in etch :\ |
| 00:59.29 | jelly-home | Azar: I'll sell you Debian! |
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| 00:59.39 | Azar | if they do that now that they don't pay for it, imagine when they buy it what kind of hell they would raise at the developers |
| 00:59.39 | holycow | it might be more beneficial to simple cede ms whatever it wants and work long term on the cultural an dsocial issues |
| 00:59.41 | holycow | or something like that |
| 00:59.53 | holycow | Azar, totally |
| 01:00.13 | holycow | don't forget, these are the same bozos that made ms what it is |
| 01:00.15 | Azar | jelly-home: Money should go to "all" who work at Debian |
| 01:00.26 | holycow | they are the ones that kept on buying complete and utter garbage over and over again |
| 01:00.40 | jelly-home | Azar: there's no practical way to do that. |
| 01:00.52 | holycow | there is zero chance they will put any value on quality or the floss culture, they just want free for nothing |
| 01:00.54 | PingFloyd | holycow: personally, I don't care who uses linux |
| 01:01.09 | Azar | jelly-home: it should be, mention this to the future DPL... someone should start taking care of this issue |
| 01:01.13 | bokey | Azar, have you played http://sauerbraten.org/ ? |
| 01:01.13 | holycow | PingFloyd, me neither, i'm just commenting on the consequences OF EVERYONE using it |
| 01:01.17 | Azar | money for all or for no one |
| 01:01.21 | PingFloyd | holycow: if someone is interested in it, I'll try to help with get around with it |
| 01:01.25 | holycow | it might not be what we bargained for i guess |
| 01:01.33 | Azar | bokey: I heard of it but never tried |
| 01:01.37 | PupenoR | When the computer boots in single-user mode because there's a problem with the HD, can a sshd be run there so I can connect and do the maintainance remotely? |
| 01:01.44 | bokey | Azar, pretty good FPS |
| 01:01.45 | holycow | PingFloyd, read the wikipiedia post ... tha tonly works under certain circumstances |
| 01:02.05 | bokey | Azar, nexuiz ? |
| 01:02.33 | Azar | bokey: that link sent me to: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/ |
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| 01:03.03 | bokey | Azar, http://sauerbraten.org ? |
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| 01:03.29 | PupenoR | no? |
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| 01:03.51 | Azar | ah it was a double http:// ... nice images, looks like Myst |
| 01:04.01 | bokey | hehe.. |
| 01:04.09 | Ki11Bi11 | PupenoR, probably not, the system comes up through run levels , best bet is serial port |
| 01:05.03 | bokey | Azar, http://www.alientrap.org/nexuiz/ |
| 01:05.04 | Azar | bokey: I don't think the game is Debian-packaged yet |
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| 01:05.25 | bokey | Azar, it's not. incompatible license |
| 01:05.39 | Azar | there we go... so for me it does not exist :) |
| 01:05.43 | Guerin | s/incompatible/crap/ |
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| 01:05.47 | Ki11Bi11 | i think gates is scared, the next big thing is virtualization and ms licensing won't scale properly |
| 01:05.57 | Azar | hello monsenior Guerin |
| 01:06.01 | bokey | Guerin, Cube's author fucked it up. |
| 01:06.08 | antum | I need to upload some files for a website to my debian server, at the moment I can ssh to it and ftp to my home directory. What is a secure and safe way to upload files the webservers root directory? |
| 01:06.12 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, i hope vmware prevails |
| 01:06.20 | holycow | i wouldnt' be surprised if ms bough tthem |
| 01:06.25 | Guerin | bokey: so sad. |
| 01:06.30 | bokey | Guerin, it is. |
| 01:06.34 | Ki11Bi11 | xen scales nicely |
| 01:06.38 | Guerin | holycow: i don't, because vmware is proprietary shit too |
| 01:06.42 | jelly-home | Azar: You could give money to SPI, or throw it into the dunc-tank... |
| 01:06.48 | Azar | tons of games out there on the net: I only get what Debian has |
| 01:06.49 | Guerin | holycow: i hope qemu/xen/virtualbox prevail |
| 01:06.57 | holycow | Guerin, well i mean simply in terms of keeping ms virtualizatio nmarket share down |
| 01:07.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 01:07.07 | holycow | Guerin, sure me too |
| 01:07.08 | Guerin | well |
| 01:07.10 | bokey | Azar, then get nexuiz. |
| 01:07.13 | Azar | jelly-home: yep I sent and continue to contribute throught SPI |
| 01:07.16 | twobitsprite | help... I just bought a rt2500 wireless card (ya ya... #wireless is dead though) and now all of the howtos are telling me that rt2500s don't support being an accesspoint... all I need is to bridge a wireless connection for my laptop... any suggestions? |
| 01:07.17 | Ki11Bi11 | no lisence problems with open source no activation, as many servers as you want |
| 01:07.18 | Guerin | they drive many depoloyments of MS OSen |
| 01:07.49 | holycow | Ki11Bi11, absolutely, we feel so priviledged to have access to open source |
| 01:07.54 | holycow | i thank rms daily for the gpl |
| 01:08.01 | holycow | and we do contribute back where we can :0 |
| 01:08.04 | holycow | :) even |
| 01:08.10 | Azar | jelly-home: I hope the next Debian administration could use some acceptable way of raising funds and distribute them so no developer would be overlooked.... peace to come to Debian community |
| 01:08.28 | jelly-home | Azar: I see... but going down to each DD, or each maintainer might be a hard logistical problem |
| 01:08.38 | Guerin | i hope for a pony |
| 01:08.44 | twobitsprite | Ki11Bi11: yeah... I don't know if you've ever worked for a large company or anything... but the shear amount of time/effort/money spend _just_ complying with licenses is astounding |
| 01:08.49 | jelly-home | !pony Guerin |
| 01:08.58 | Guerin | huzzah! |
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| 01:09.04 | Azar | jelly-home: not as a form of "income" but as a "thank you" gesture from the people contributing to Debian |
| 01:09.24 | twobitsprite | Guerin: ohh, I want one! |
| 01:09.24 | Ki11Bi11 | twobitsprite, yes even if they can figure it out...hehe |
| 01:09.27 | holycow | not only a logistical problem but there is a thought in the debian circles regarding money ... |
| 01:09.39 | holycow | ... when you introduce money into a community process its no longer a community process |
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| 01:09.55 | jelly-home | Azar: the product is thank you enough ;-) |
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| 01:10.10 | Azar | this was a big problem three , four years ago: I wanted to contribute and Debian was not ready or organized to handle this issue |
| 01:10.11 | holycow | i think what the debian community might want to do that is easier to deal with is setup separate organizations for supporting debian officially in various ways |
| 01:10.18 | twobitsprite | Ki11Bi11: precisely... my team (unix admins) just spent the last week on the phone with CA trying to figure out how licensing works on a 16-way IBM server virtualized with 4 processors per guest... whew... |
| 01:10.21 | holycow | we would love to pay for debian support for server and desktop |
| 01:10.30 | Ki11Bi11 | i hopoe they work on ease of use issues and driver issues. |
| 01:10.31 | holycow | but keep the project and the corporation separate |
| 01:10.51 | jelly-home | Azar: well, you have a set goal now -- to help the release come faster, there's dunc-tank. |
| 01:10.53 | Azar | no, nooooo personally I feel that I have to give to Debian community something back, something more than a "thank you" |
| 01:10.57 | amphi | Ki11Bi11: what ease of use issues? |
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| 01:11.22 | Azar | jelly-home: not to "speed up" the release, but to thank for everything was done so far. Woody inclusive |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | jelly-home: fix bugs ? |
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| 01:11.40 | jelly-home | Azar: HP donates servers. |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: kill shellbot! |
| 01:12.16 | Ki11Bi11 | amphi, one thing they could do easy is expand tasksel to make a virtual debain app anything you want |
| 01:12.17 | Azar | jelly-home: yeah I know but some money won't hurt to put a smile on the developers faces... |
| 01:12.39 | Azar | maybe on Christmas time.. or something like that |
| 01:13.00 | jelly-home | Azar: It'd put a smile on my face if etch was released within a month |
| 01:13.14 | Azar | jelly-home: are you a developer? |
| 01:13.19 | jelly-home | Azar: nope |
| 01:13.28 | Azar | jelly-home: hehe stfu then |
| 01:13.49 | jelly-home | Azar: are you implying that only DDs are part of the "community"? |
| 01:13.53 | amphi | Ki11Bi11: huh? |
| 01:13.53 | Ki11Bi11 | amphi, just run a script and you have alamp server or a dns server or special desktop development.. good to configure debian virts |
| 01:13.57 | Azar | no, wait, don't contribute then... |
| 01:14.26 | Azar | jelly-home: I am a user too and the longer it takes, I consider the better |
| 01:14.50 | jelly-home | Azar: you, sir, have a twisted mind |
| 01:14.58 | Azar | I resent user pressure forcing buggy software faster out |
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| 01:15.07 | Ki11Bi11 | the developer for xen-tools has a wishlist at amazon |
| 01:15.20 | Ki11Bi11 | i was tempted to contribute |
| 01:15.21 | jelly-home | Azar: so give dunc-tank the money _not to do anything_! :-) |
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| 01:15.50 | Azar | jelly-home: I doubt dunk tank will survive much longer |
| 01:16.02 | Azar | it was a failure for everyone interested in Debian |
| 01:16.14 | jelly-home | Azar: well it is an experiment |
| 01:16.16 | Guerin | Azar: i think the jury is still out on that one |
| 01:16.25 | abrotman | it is ? |
| 01:16.46 | Azar | Guerin: the DT guys admited that themselves on some interviews |
| 01:16.56 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 01:17.05 | Guerin | i thought it had just caused a flamewar |
| 01:17.11 | Ki11Bi11 | if debian rides the virtualization wave an make debian easier to use, ms will be crushed, i think gates sees it comming--to bad debian doesn't |
| 01:17.14 | muse | setup individual dev blogs linked to the deb homepage and have each put up wishlists then dole out moolah once a year with the same amount across the board |
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| 01:17.43 | muse | toward purchasing the items in the wish list |
| 01:17.44 | Azar | I hope the next DPL will be someone who will get more realistic about the needs of the Debian developers than the screaming crowds demanding faster releases |
| 01:17.58 | abrotman | completely and totally OT: those chairs that go in a bag .. do they have a special name ? |
| 01:18.18 | Azar | abrotman: folding chairs? |
| 01:18.24 | holycow | oh jeebus. i think i just deleted the partition table on hd i need. is there a restore methodology for partition tables? |
| 01:18.29 | abrotman | yes they fold .. |
| 01:18.39 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: haha |
| 01:18.46 | Azar | abrotman: holdon I will check |
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| 01:18.49 | claudio` | hola |
| 01:18.54 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: debian is not driven by world domination |
| 01:18.58 | holycow | Azar, ubuntu has proven that anything less than 1 year release cycles is crazy |
| 01:19.18 | jelly-home | holycow: taking snapshots of unstable didn't help either |
| 01:19.20 | holycow | i think debian release cycles may not be ideal but they are pretty good and allow for a nicely debuged large software repo |
| 01:19.38 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, i think so, the os is not tied to the computerits virtual you can make easy you can down load and up load it think it through |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | Azar: nm .. i found htem |
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| 01:20.00 | claudio` | Does FireFox2 is available from the Debian mirrors? |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | claudio`: icewease |
| 01:20.09 | abrotman | claudio`: iceweasel |
| 01:20.10 | twobitsprite | what's a good package with good fixedwidth fonts? |
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| 01:20.15 | jelly-home | holycow: how many partitions were there? |
| 01:20.27 | holycow | jelly-home, tell me about it... their server release is based on unstable snapshot as well ... they didn't even try to debian stable for servers which would actualy been sane |
| 01:20.29 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, that's pretty obvious but expect gates to care |
| 01:20.39 | holycow | jelly-home, / and /home i think |
| 01:20.51 | jelly-home | holycow: both primary? |
| 01:20.54 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, anyway , what about world enableing |
| 01:20.55 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: i can't even parse that last bit about it being virtual |
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| 01:21.26 | holycow | jelly-home, yep :/ |
| 01:21.26 | claudio` | abrotman: rox a lot, i didn't know it. THX |
| 01:21.28 | jelly-home | holycow: anyway there's gpart, but you can probably guesswork it by yourself |
| 01:21.32 | fsmunoz | The release cycle is important for the desktop, not especially for servers. |
| 01:21.33 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, a typical computer hase to be manufactured sold etc, but not a virtual one? |
| 01:21.47 | rox | claudio`: does it? |
| 01:21.55 | Azar | holycow: thanks to ubuntu then that Debian users can breathe.. |
| 01:21.56 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: so you think we're heading back to a world of mainframes in the basement, and thin clients? |
| 01:22.05 | claudio` | abrotman: but is it available from the Debian mirrors? |
| 01:22.09 | claudio` | rox :-) |
| 01:22.12 | jelly-home | holycow: the beginning of the first one is trivial to figure out ;-) and you can check the second one roughly by remembering its size |
| 01:22.16 | fsmunoz | I.e. new installations are still made with RH 2.1 AS, and RHEL3 is still considered current... same for Solaris 8/9 for example. Now, for desktop... things do move quicker... |
| 01:22.30 | holycow | Azar, well people here were saying a while back they hate ubuntu or whatever, i think its the greatest thing ever. separate project takes the heat of bringing on noobies we get patches |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | claudio`: which version of debian ? |
| 01:22.39 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, quad core mega beasts with laptop pod farms |
| 01:22.40 | claudio` | latest release |
| 01:22.50 | Ki11Bi11 | laptop clusters |
| 01:22.50 | holycow | jelly-home, can i pay ya help me do the calculations? |
| 01:22.51 | holycow | heh |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | claudio`: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 01:23.21 | Ki11Bi11 | one real machine can run several virts |
| 01:23.24 | claudio` | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 01:23.27 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: so what you're saying is that the `personal computer' will be no more? |
| 01:23.30 | Guerin | yeah, right |
| 01:23.37 | jelly-home | holycow: you can send chocolate! :-) |
| 01:23.46 | abrotman | claudio`: maybe backports.org .. read the instructions there |
| 01:23.52 | colsham | what actually happens when GRUB is installed? Is the boot record written to the MBR then? |
| 01:23.56 | holycow | jelly-home, deal! |
| 01:24.06 | Azar | there are so many distros out there... so to satisfy everyone: if Debian wants to do things right, without pressure from no one so be it. There are users like me who want to have what Debian has to offer. Those who do not agree are free to move to another distro. |
| 01:24.11 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, no but there is going to a lot more machines around appliances doing things |
| 01:24.24 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: wtf? |
| 01:24.30 | predder | colsham, with the debian package for it - yes it is |
| 01:24.31 | Guerin | does Ki11Bi11 make sense to anyone? |
| 01:24.36 | twobitsprite | what is the prefered way to install fonts in debian? |
| 01:24.50 | rahul | twobitsprite: with dpkg |
| 01:24.58 | jelly-home | holycow: anyway, if they were both ext2/ext3, gpart should do a fine job |
| 01:25.00 | sceadugenga | and apt |
| 01:25.04 | Azar | Guerin: psssttt thats how ms have indoctrinated people to think about PC: an universal home appliance |
| 01:25.07 | rahul | twobitsprite: or man defoma |
| 01:25.08 | twobitsprite | rahul: they came in a zip file... |
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| 01:25.19 | Guerin | Azar: actually, *apple* is responsible for that |
| 01:25.21 | Acurax | What is an apt command to download the latest kernel |
| 01:25.22 | holycow | reiser :/ i haven't had time to convert to ext3 after hans got arrested |
| 01:25.31 | Guerin | Azar: man aptitude |
| 01:25.35 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, you can download a debian dns server off the net and play it on vmware |
| 01:25.35 | Guerin | ]acman aptitude |
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| 01:25.38 | Guerin | FUCK |
| 01:25.45 | rahul | Acurax: look for packages named linux-* |
| 01:25.47 | Azar | Guerin: I have seen gates in several occasions on TV preaching all this |
| 01:25.47 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: but what's the point? |
| 01:25.56 | jelly-home | holycow: make a new ptable with a single partition. mount or dumpe2fs -h or figure out its size somehow. |
| 01:25.57 | rahul | Acurax: linux-image-* |
| 01:26.02 | Acurax | i mean to download it automaticly/ |
| 01:26.03 | Guerin | Azar: yes, but jobs has actually been *doing* it for decades |
| 01:26.11 | Guerin | Acurax: man aptitude |
| 01:26.12 | holycow | jelly-home, so what is the basic idea ... use gpart to look at the partition sizes and then what? use cfdisk to recreate partitions? |
| 01:26.12 | rahul | Acurax: nothing should be automatic |
| 01:26.19 | rahul | Acurax: especially not kernel upgrades |
| 01:26.22 | g333k_laptop | Hi, in what file I can see the process that start at booting time? I dont know why when booting I see "loading MTA" and my delays like a minute |
| 01:26.27 | Azar | :) what they won't say or do to get more credit, money, fame.. |
| 01:26.35 | jelly-home | holycow: if you want to do it the automatic way, yes |
| 01:26.37 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: that's because it lacks a network |
| 01:26.41 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, point #1 its free while ms is not free is better than buying a complet new system |
| 01:26.49 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: if you don't need exim, use ssmtp or such |
| 01:26.52 | rahul | g333k_laptop: make sure you can reverse lookup your local host name |
| 01:27.08 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, bootlog is the file, but see /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 01:27.18 | jelly-home | holycow: without gpart, I'd create a fresh part.table using the whole disk for the first partition. Then use mount or dumpe2fs -h or figure out its size |
| 01:27.18 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: but ... you seriously thing everyone is going to have an uber-1337 server in their basement? |
| 01:27.37 | rahul | g333k_laptop: the name in /etc/hostname should be in /etc/hosts |
| 01:27.38 | Azar | they are brainwashing people trying to tell them that the PC is just yet another electrical appliance that you plug into a power outlet and would do anything... |
| 01:27.45 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, at least configure exim to local delivery only first, that delay is because of rever lookups. |
| 01:27.45 | bzed | g333k_laptop: usually just setting up your network correctly will solve that problem |
| 01:27.46 | g333k_laptop | Guerin, rahul fsmunoz, what should I do to avoid that delay? unistall exim4? |
| 01:27.52 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: read |
| 01:27.54 | holycow | jelly-home, well i could do that ... i guess i could just install a new hd and mount the other had and copy over ... i just need the home data |
| 01:27.56 | rahul | ... |
| 01:27.59 | jelly-home | holycow: then umount, delete the partition, create it in the correct size, and create a new one with the rest |
| 01:28.02 | holycow | would be nice to to haveto do that |
| 01:28.18 | g333k_laptop | bzed, sometimes I turn on my laptop in a place without internet connection |
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| 01:28.30 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, dualcore mobo is less than $200 dual ccore laptop < $1000 |
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| 01:28.40 | colsham | predder, while trying to troubleshoot a no-boot problem in my system, i had installed another MBR in my backup drive. Now that i have fixed the problem, i have to disconnect the backup drive in order to boot up fr my normal drive. how can i remove the MBR fr the backup drive? |
| 01:28.41 | rahul | g333k_laptop: so remove the network-dependence from your configuration |
| 01:28.45 | bzed | holycow: you could try testdisk |
| 01:28.50 | jelly-home | holycow: well, you didn't lose any data and partition boot sectors and easy to find. I'd use gpart |
| 01:28.51 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: yes, but that barely qualifies as a game machine nowadays |
| 01:28.55 | rahul | g333k_laptop: or are you more interested in ignoring how to do that? |
| 01:29.07 | holycow | okay |
| 01:29.37 | holycow | bzed, i'll look into that thanks |
| 01:29.37 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, you could put 3 webservers and adns on it |
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| 01:29.48 | bzed | g333k_laptop: also have a look into /etc/nsswitch.conf - files should be the thing to look into first, then the rest |
| 01:29.49 | predder | colsham, i'm not aware of how to do it from grub sorry.. the only suggestion i can make is download ultimate boot cd (UBCD) which is a collection of freeware apps, there is an MBR editor in there |
| 01:29.56 | g333k_laptop | rahul, I want how to do that? do you mean setting up my /etc/network/interfaces file without any auto entry? |
| 01:30.06 | rahul | ... |
| 01:30.09 | rahul | my goodness |
| 01:30.52 | rahul | g333k_laptop: I guess you are interested in ignoring what I say |
| 01:30.52 | g333k_laptop | rahul, noooooooooo |
| 01:30.53 | colsham | predder, its ok, thks. |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | he has that habit :) |
| 01:30.54 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, http://wiki.debian.org/PkgExim4UserFAQ |
| 01:30.54 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, "1.3.7. Why does exim take such a long time to start?" |
| 01:30.56 | colsham | anyone knows how to remove a MBR fr a drive? |
| 01:30.57 | fsmunoz | Read that |
| 01:31.04 | rahul | g333k_laptop: read what I said, then ask me questions. |
| 01:31.10 | jelly-home | holycow: if this was the single disk, you might also have had a swap partition |
| 01:31.22 | holycow | jelly, i did indeed |
| 01:31.47 | jelly-home | colsham: why would you want to do that? |
| 01:31.50 | holycow | jelly-home, infact if i start gparted it will tell me the sizes ... but gparted doesn't really give EXACT sizes |
| 01:31.51 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: people don't *need* webservers and dns ... |
| 01:31.54 | gh0zt | not sure |
| 01:31.55 | antum | How do I allow a user write access to other directories on the system, I'm not too sure what to search for in Google |
| 01:32.04 | jelly-home | holycow: uh, not gparted, gpart |
| 01:32.06 | rahul | antum: add them to appropriate groups |
| 01:32.11 | bzed | antum: man chown, man chmod |
| 01:32.14 | rahul | antum: /etc/groups, man adduser |
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| 01:32.27 | holycow | jelly-home, i haveto backup first before trying gpart ... but i guess i should just be able to use cfdisk to recreate the partition table |
| 01:32.30 | holycow | jelly-home, *nod* |
| 01:32.39 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: the barrier to people running their own sites isn't cpu time or disk space - it's bandwidth, uptime and redundant power |
| 01:32.49 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: none of those issues are solvable locally in the home |
| 01:32.49 | antum | rahul bzed thanks that should get me going, is that the best way to allow a user to sftp files into website directories? |
| 01:32.58 | holycow | jelly-home, when you use cfdisk to modify the partition table ... does that delete grub from there as well? would you know? |
| 01:33.04 | colsham | jelly-home, i had MBRs in two drives in a system, one is a backup drive which i created an MBR to troubleshoot a no-boot problem. i want to remove it now |
| 01:33.07 | jelly-home | holycow: I _think_ it doesn't do any writing, but it's been a long time since I've used it |
| 01:33.17 | holycow | *nod* |
| 01:33.19 | Guerin | colsham: why? |
| 01:33.30 | bzed | antum: no, that's :how to give users access to some directory |
| 01:33.31 | Guerin | colsham: just leave it be, it'll only boot the first one it can find. |
| 01:33.34 | jelly-home | colsham: there's no reason to, it won't do any harm |
| 01:33.38 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, there are no barrieers to people running their own site |
| 01:33.43 | colsham | Guerin, i can't boot up the system with two MBRs. |
| 01:33.44 | antum | bzed what should i be searching for? |
| 01:33.49 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: yes, there are. CLearly. |
| 01:34.02 | Guerin | colsham: by definition there is only ever ONE MBR |
| 01:34.07 | colsham | Guerin, i get GRUB error 154. |
| 01:34.07 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, nope |
| 01:34.12 | Guerin | colsham: it's the boot record on the first disk |
| 01:34.12 | rahul | antum: check if there's already a dedicated group for the web root |
| 01:34.15 | colsham | sorry, error 15. |
| 01:34.18 | rahul | antum: if not, you might want to create one |
| 01:34.31 | Guerin | colsham: are you positive it's that? |
| 01:34.45 | elein | i just did a dist-upgrade and it seems to have hosed my gnome installation, including gnome-terminal. I'm trying to put things back and am getting the following messages. help. http://rafb.net/p/daC0Jo88.html |
| 01:34.49 | antum | rahul no there's not, all the files are owned by root/root |
| 01:34.49 | jelly-home | colsham: mbr is just some code in the boot sector of a drive |
| 01:34.56 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: then why are poeople flocking to myspace rather than running their own sites? |
| 01:35.07 | rahul | antum: I recommend creating a webmaster group or some such |
| 01:35.12 | Azar | elein: upgraded from sarge to etch? |
| 01:35.18 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, they are stoopid |
| 01:35.21 | jelly-home | colsham: you might not be describing the situation correctly or completely |
| 01:35.23 | colsham | Guerin, after this discussion, not too sure. but i am positive that when the backup drive is in, i get grub error 15. |
| 01:35.26 | Ki11Bi11 | :) |
| 01:35.27 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: you lose. |
| 01:35.27 | bzed | antum: really depends on your needs. normally you'd want to do some chroot-ting by unsing rssh as shell and things like that. I need to go to bed now, but here're enough people to help you.... 0235am here |
| 01:35.30 | rahul | antum: it's more extendable if you have multiple webmasters |
| 01:35.31 | bzed | n8 |
| 01:35.34 | elein | azar, did not specify which. should I have? |
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| 01:35.50 | antum | bzed thanks |
| 01:35.53 | Guerin | colsham: error 15 means that the partition is there and set up pproperly, but the specified kernel isn't |
| 01:35.56 | colsham | and this happens after an improper power-down. |
| 01:35.58 | Ki11Bi11 | i'd rather be rich than win |
| 01:36.16 | jelly-home | colsham: ah, how are you connecting the backup drive? |
| 01:36.17 | Azar | elein: first you should have pointed your sources to the desired version, then read the etch upgrade documentation, there it tells you how things work.. |
| 01:36.21 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: well, as they say, nobody ever went broke underestimating the general public |
| 01:36.21 | rahul | !win Ki11Bi11 |
| 01:36.22 | dpkg | Congratulations, Ki11Bi11! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 01:36.36 | rahul | indeed. I'd rather be rich than win a lifetime supply of spam. |
| 01:36.36 | antum | rahul ok so once I create the group, I change the owner of /var/www to webmasters... then how does someone actually ftp to that directory? |
| 01:36.40 | colsham | jelly-home, not now. this is why i can chat. |
| 01:36.40 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: but it's not very useful in discussion to attribute things to plain old stupidity |
| 01:36.41 | elein | i did not change my sources. |
| 01:36.52 | Azar | elein: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 01:36.52 | rahul | antum: they just cd to that dir |
| 01:36.59 | jelly-home | colsham: I'm asking how? Which bus is used? |
| 01:37.28 | colsham | Guerin, in that case, if i cp over all the files in /boot fr my working file to my backup drive, it would be ok? |
| 01:37.38 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, you asked why someone does something stupid... |
| 01:37.40 | Azar | elein: this ofcourse depends on what you intended to "upgrade" |
| 01:37.42 | Guerin | colsham: only if that's where it's looking |
| 01:37.52 | antum | rahul ok, i'll give it a try |
| 01:37.55 | jelly-home | colsham: it could be your BIOS thinks the backup drive is the first one to boot from, when the backup drive is connected. |
| 01:38.00 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: myspace might be stupid in itself, but peoples' reasons for using it aren't. |
| 01:38.28 | elein | azar, this looks helpful. I am clueless about this. I intended a general upgrade. The original problem was getting gcc4 but it expanded. |
| 01:39.00 | Ki11Bi11 | Guerin, you may be right i've never been to mysapce, i'm talking about virtualization being the next big thing for us computer types |
| 01:39.11 | Guerin | Ki11Bi11: ... |
| 01:39.25 | Azar | elein: dist-upgrade is mainly used when you want to upgrade from one Debian version to another upwards ofcourse. It should not be used "just because" or for a single package upgrade... as far as I know |
| 01:39.32 | muse | Would someone be kind enough to point me to a tutorial for setting up LVM on debian during an Install |
| 01:39.33 | colsham | Guerin, 'it' is definitely looking at the drive i am currently using becos now the backup drive is disconnected. but when i connect up the backup drive, i fail to boot with grub error 15. |
| 01:39.35 | holycow | jelly-home, as an aside, that box is still running and the hd is still mounted. i should be able to use cfdisk to recreate the partition table and 'reinstall' grugb if i need to on the live box eh? not rebooted yet ... |
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| 01:39.43 | abrotman | muse: sarge or etch ? |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:39.46 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
| 01:39.56 | elein | azar, it was advice from someone who is now not available. :( |
| 01:39.57 | Azar | elein: for packages not provided by your Debian version but by a higher version you can use the backports |
| 01:40.01 | Guerin | colsham: ok, you need to fix your boot: line in grub |
| 01:40.09 | jelly-home | holycow: hmm cat /proc/partitions ? |
| 01:40.12 | muse | abrotman: testing... |
| 01:40.27 | holycow | jelly-home, all there |
| 01:40.30 | stew | elein: you can't install gcc4 on sarge |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | muse: see 'ig' above |
| 01:40.41 | stew | elein: you'd have to upgrade to etch first |
| 01:40.41 | muse | thx |
| 01:40.46 | colsham | Guerin, menu.lst? which line? |
| 01:40.51 | Azar | elein: since I have no idea about gnome or kde, because I never used them I do not know how to help you... |
| 01:40.59 | jelly-home | holycow: now you have their sizes in blocks, shouldn't be too hard to recreate the part.table |
| 01:41.23 | elein | azar, ok. OK. That is why we did the dist-upgrade, but the release notes say not to do the upgrade while gdm is running and it is. so that makes sense. |
| 01:41.25 | Azar | elein: read that documentation I gave you first, then upgrade to etch if you want |
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| 01:41.39 | Azar | yep :) |
| 01:41.54 | Ki11Bi11 | There is a tide in the afairs of men, that taken at the flood, leads on to victory! |
| 01:41.56 | Azar | and change your sources from / stable to / etch |
| 01:42.06 | jelly-home | holycow: it's a good thing you did that on a live machine, so that kernel still remembers the partitions |
| 01:42.19 | holycow | *whew* thanks for that! |
| 01:42.35 | holycow | printed off that table |
| 01:42.36 | holycow | heh |
| 01:42.45 | elein | azar, thank you |
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| 01:44.08 | colsham | boot line of menu.lst looks ok. |
| 01:44.08 | jelly-home | holycow: you can save the output of sfdisk -d /dev/??? when you install a new machine (or after restoring this one), the output can be piped back to sfdisk to recreate the table |
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| 01:44.44 | jelly-home | hmm |
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| 01:45.15 | holycow | jelly-home, intersting, i'm looking for the calculations on google to convert blocks to size ... i don't think cfdisk alocates by block |
| 01:46.30 | jelly-home | holycow: also, kernel shows 1k blocks in /proc/partitions |
| 01:46.46 | jelly-home | holycow: take a look: http://paste.debian.net/22321 |
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| 01:47.03 | colsham | concerning MBR, is there only one copy in one drive? |
| 01:47.17 | holycow | oh! |
| 01:47.44 | stew | colsham: yes, the first 512 bytes of the drive |
| 01:47.51 | holycow | jelly mine doesn't |
| 01:47.59 | csimon | Hi. How would I change the mapping of my mouse's buttons? Instead of using the left-button for normal use and the right for bringing up options and such, I'd like to switch them. |
| 01:47.59 | antum | rahul i still can't find any info on Google for setting up multiple sftp users and only allowing them access to their website directories. do you have any links or ideas on what to search for? |
| 01:48.07 | stew | well thats the boot sector, the bootrecord is less |
| 01:48.19 | stew | csimon: use xmodmap |
| 01:48.21 | jelly-home | holycow: you can tell cfdisk to use sectors, when it asks for "Size in MB", tell it something like 1200000s |
| 01:48.31 | jelly-home | holycow: the s bit indicates sectors |
| 01:48.32 | holycow | ohhhhh |
| 01:48.40 | colsham | stew, if that info is corrupted, the whole drive is inaccessible? |
| 01:48.56 | holycow | http://pastebin.ca/365576 |
| 01:49.10 | rahul | antum: oh, their own website dirs? |
| 01:49.16 | rahul | antum: oh boy, you're in for some fun |
| 01:49.18 | stew | colsham: if the partition table is corrupted then possibly unless you can reconstruct the partition table. if you just lost your bootloader, you can replace it easily |
| 01:49.56 | rahul | antum: uh, you're going to need to chroot them and create an entire unix environment inside each of their home dirs |
| 01:50.10 | rahul | or at least enough for them to do what they need to do |
| 01:50.17 | g333k_laptop | what's the best atari emulator? |
| 01:50.17 | jelly-home | holycow: your hda is 320GB? |
| 01:50.23 | bintut | is there a separate repository for beryl+aiglx on debian etch? |
| 01:50.29 | holycow | no main one is 160 |
| 01:50.36 | holycow | hda |
| 01:50.43 | colsham | stew, i am referring to the MBR. is there no way to have a backup copy in another sector of the drive? |
| 01:51.07 | jelly-home | holycow: ah, I count the whole disk too by mistake |
| 01:51.33 | fsmunoz | bintut, yes. |
| 01:51.34 | colsham | stew, i am thinking about physical damage to the sector of the drive holding the MBR. |
| 01:51.35 | antum | rahul, crap |
| 01:51.39 | jelly-home | holycow: yes, the /proc/partitions numbers are in kilobytes. You'll need to double them to get sectors |
| 01:51.45 | bintut | fsmunoz: where can i find it? |
| 01:52.01 | antum | rahul, i've suddenly decided i don't need to do that :) |
| 01:52.24 | rahul | antum: let's hope you trust your users |
| 01:52.24 | stew | colsham: yes. i am also referring to the mbr. you can easily save a copy of the mbr using dd. |
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| 01:52.34 | fsmunoz | bintut, #1 and #2 on a google search for "Beryl Debian" |
| 01:52.43 | stew | colsham: i don't know if there are alternatives if the boot sector is no longer usable |
| 01:53.11 | holycow | jelly-home, if those are in kb ... and cfdisk asks for mb ... i should be able to just multiply right? |
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| 01:53.17 | holycow | or rather divide? |
| 01:53.21 | antum | rahul, i'm just going to look after the ftp side of things myself, i wont have any external users connecting to the site... especially if it means all that extra setup. |
| 01:53.47 | antum | so all i need to do is change the group of my /var/www to webmasters and then add myself to that group? |
| 01:54.08 | rahul | antum: yes |
| 01:54.18 | jelly-home | holycow: there's also some munging to do, and it's better to do it in sectors. |
| 01:54.21 | colsham | stew, umh dd, that is backing up everything else. i am thinking of saving the MBR itself only. |
| 01:54.23 | stew | antum: you'll also probably want to make the directory g+s and you might want to change users' umask from 022 to 002 |
| 01:54.24 | antum | rahul, cool i think i can manage that |
| 01:54.26 | holycow | jelly-home, oh crap |
| 01:54.36 | antum | stew, what does all of that do? |
| 01:54.44 | stew | antum: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 01:54.50 | antum | stew thanks |
| 01:54.58 | holycow | jelly-home, so doubling a block gets a sector? |
| 01:55.00 | stew | colsham: "dd if=/dev/foo count=1 bs=512" will get the boot sector of /dev/foo |
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| 01:56.04 | jelly-home | holycow: kernel knows the partition size in kilobytes. However, the second and other partitions usually start at offset 63 to the track |
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| 01:56.04 | jelly-home | holycow: yes. |
| 01:56.04 | jelly-home | holycow: get a calculator |
| 01:56.04 | bintut | fsmunoz: ok.. thanks.. |
| 01:56.14 | fsmunoz | yw |
| 01:56.52 | StyXman | hi all. what do I need to put into the kernel to make UUIDs to work? I tried putting EFI support, but it doesn't work. |
| 01:56.56 | colsham | stew, great, thks. |
| 01:57.17 | Redhatter | jelly-home, /exec echo $(( <expression> )) works for integer stuff. |
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| 01:58.14 | jelly-home | Redhatter: need float, sorry |
| 01:58.26 | jelly-home | Redhatter: I could exec bc |
| 01:58.39 | Azar | jelly-home: write one in C for yourself :) |
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| 01:59.20 | jelly-home | holycow: maybe we should use /msg or another channel not to nag others with numbers |
| 01:59.34 | twobitsprite | hmm... this is probably a FAQ, but it's hard to google for... I just installed a ttf and it looks all pixle-y... the image on the website I d/led it from looks good though...? |
| 01:59.49 | holycow | jelly-home, if you wouldn't mind :) let me ident |
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| 02:00.13 | csimon | stew: Thanks. |
| 02:00.21 | helloyo | in kontact i cannot access my address book as it can't find libkaddressbookpart.la, any ideas? |
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| 02:01.12 | abrotman | !find libkaddressbookpart.la sarge |
| 02:01.22 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libkaddressbookpart.la' (1): (/usr/lib/kde3/libkaddressbookpart.la) in utils/kaddressbook. |
| 02:01.56 | helloyo | abrotman: thanks, but that doesn't seem to be in my repos |
| 02:02.15 | abrotman | kaddressbook isn't ? |
| 02:02.18 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 02:02.23 | helloyo | 4.0 |
| 02:02.31 | helloyo | nope, no kaddressbook |
| 02:02.54 | abrotman | !find libkaddressbookpart.la etch |
| 02:03.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libkaddressbookpart.la' (1): (/usr/lib/kde3/libkaddressbookpart.la) in utils/kaddressbook. |
| 02:03.36 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/kaddressbook |
| 02:04.02 | twobitsprite | why is it, whenever I search for a howto, I always get the gentoo wiki as like the first hit... |
| 02:04.16 | helloyo | abrotman: thanks, i'll have a look... very strange that its not there in my repos |
| 02:04.22 | Redhatter | Unofficial gentoo wiki, I might add. |
| 02:04.38 | twobitsprite | Redhatter: yeah! :) |
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| 02:04.50 | Redhatter | twobitsprite, That said... you'll probably find some of the info is relevant to Debian. |
| 02:04.59 | twobitsprite | Redhatter: usually is to some degree |
| 02:05.07 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=software+raid+howto&btnG=Google+Search |
| 02:05.38 | twobitsprite | Redhatter: yeah, I've always found it odd that there wasn't one |
| 02:05.43 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:05.49 | Guerin | !wiki |
| 02:05.54 | Guerin | bah |
| 02:06.01 | Guerin | wiki.debian.net not good enough for ya? |
| 02:06.14 | Acurax | http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 02:06.22 | Guerin | same-same |
| 02:06.35 | twobitsprite | Guerin: hmm... for some reason, I've never stumbled accross it... |
| 02:06.46 | Guerin | twobitsprite: because you never bothered to try |
| 02:06.56 | Acurax | Exactly ;] |
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| 02:07.15 | twobitsprite | Guerin: I'm almost positive that I've googled for debian wiki before |
| 02:07.20 | Stevie-O | Someone might ask, "why not gooogle for 'debian wiki'?" |
| 02:07.23 | twobitsprite | Guerin: why so hostile and assuming? |
| 02:07.26 | Stevie-O | in fact, I've googled for that |
| 02:08.02 | hatter | i just googled it and it came up top result |
| 02:08.18 | twobitsprite | hatter: indeed it does... not sure why I haven't seen it |
| 02:08.29 | Guerin | twobitsprite: sorry, if you actually have searched and not found that, you're not slack, you're FUCKING USELESS |
| 02:08.41 | Guerin | :) |
| 02:08.45 | hatter | lol |
| 02:08.56 | colsham | Guerin, stop being a PITA. |
| 02:09.02 | hatter | yeah guerin |
| 02:09.04 | Redhatter | Well, you can't expect me to know everything about Debian... I've been using it since Friday on a Loongson box here. Before that, I hadn't touched Debian since 2003. |
| 02:09.09 | Guerin | colsham: i am not a lebanese bread! |
| 02:09.09 | twobitsprite | Guerin: c'mon now... what is it with all you no-life IRCers trying to inflate your egos at the expense of others? |
| 02:09.25 | Guerin | twobitsprite: ah, don't be sore |
| 02:09.27 | colsham | Guerin, pain in the arse. |
| 02:09.41 | Guerin | colsham: i'm certainly not being a pain in YOUR arse |
| 02:09.42 | hatter | enough now, we all know where the wiki is now. I didn't know it existed either |
| 02:09.43 | karsten | Redhatter: Learn faster! |
| 02:09.47 | twobitsprite | Guerin: I'm not sore, I just find it... well... useless |
| 02:09.49 | Redhatter | Lots has changed in the Debian world since then. ;-) |
| 02:09.57 | stew | twobitsprite: Guerin: please use ignore |
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| 02:10.11 | hatter | its hard enough to keep up with when you use it daily |
| 02:10.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:10.27 | hatter | guerins answer was better than no answer IMHO |
| 02:10.57 | hatter | i now know of the wiki :) |
| 02:11.36 | hatter | so hows the RC bugs going ? |
| 02:11.42 | colsham | Guerin, true, but in everyone else's. |
| 02:11.45 | hatter | hold on , i will look myself.... lol |
| 02:11.47 | karsten | hatter: SIYH |
| 02:12.27 | dkr | yeah, but he shouldn't be calling people "fucking useless", no matter what. the number of vulgar trolls on freenode seems to have jumped up altely, o rmaybe I am just getting old and crotchety, :) |
| 02:12.27 | karsten | Guerin: We didn't mean _lebenese_ bread.... |
| 02:12.27 | Guerin | colsham: ttbomk i'm in NOBODY's arse at the moment. If you have evidence to the contrary, send pix to karsten. |
| 02:12.31 | Guerin | karsten: mein leben! |
| 02:12.41 | karsten | Guerin: Shatzie! |
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| 02:12.59 | colsham | Guerin, no need, karsten can feel it. :D |
| 02:13.00 | Guerin | !offence |
| 02:13.01 | dpkg | well, offence is don't take offence at things in IRC, none of us exist, we're just lines of text on your screen |
| 02:13.11 | Guerin | dkr: ↑ |
| 02:13.22 | PupenoR | I have a software raid1 that won't come up at boot but if I assebly and start it (mdadm -A /dev/md2 /dev/sda3 -R) it will just start and then the system would just work. The other raids just work (md0, md1). Any ideaws about what is wrong and/or how to find out? |
| 02:13.37 | stoned | hey man I feel pretty good |
| 02:13.47 | dkr | Guerin: that doesn't give you the right to be offensive, there are standards of etiquette on the net. You should learn them |
| 02:13.53 | karsten | stoned: I've felt better ;-) |
| 02:13.54 | colsham | stoned, why? |
| 02:14.03 | Guerin | dkr: thanks, I have. I just choose to ignore them from time to time. |
| 02:14.14 | stoned | karsten: I feel much more better than you ! =D |
| 02:14.30 | Guerin | the point y'all have missed is that it's not an issue to get pissy about. Lighten up. |
| 02:14.46 | dkr | Guerin: then we will complain about your unacceptable behaviour from time to time. ;) |
| 02:14.54 | Guerin | dkr: please do ;) |
| 02:15.14 | stoned | ahhh boy |
| 02:15.16 | bwlang | has anybody tried splunk... they ship debs. It sounds interesting (though i wish it was open) |
| 02:15.25 | karsten | Guerin: Now, if you behave acceptably, we'll be forced ... |
| 02:15.27 | kiba | sometime I have a strange feeling that there is no internet and none of you actually talk to me and don't actually exist |
| 02:15.31 | kiba | just illusions. |
| 02:15.32 | karsten | Guerin: ... to complain about your acceptable behavior. |
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| 02:15.42 | kiba | that the programs did to you |
| 02:15.45 | dkr | kiba: it's called solipsism, msot children go through that phase. :) |
| 02:15.50 | karsten | bwlang: Nope, though it sounds vaguely interesting. I don't much care for their slogan. |
| 02:15.51 | stoned | you're beating that joke upside down |
| 02:15.52 | colsham | karsten, :D |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | dkr: are you a dick to everyone? |
| 02:16.21 | Guerin | karsten: is that better or worse than the alternative? |
| 02:16.33 | karsten | abrotman: Guerin: dkr: #debian-dick-wangling puhleaze. |
| 02:16.41 | abrotman | karsten: what? |
| 02:16.41 | dkr | abrotman: huh? I called someone on calling someone "FUCKING USELESS" bt elling him he should be saying things liek that. and that is ebing a dick? |
| 02:16.50 | abrotman | i love ebing |
| 02:17.19 | twobitsprite | ebing a dick, no less |
| 02:17.20 | dkr | er, should not , :) my typing sucks. :) |
| 02:17.26 | colsham | Guerin, i think it is worse. it hurts you more to make you behave in a acceptable manner. :D |
| 02:17.50 | abrotman | !kingsleysmite Guerin |
| 02:17.50 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer Guerin: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.87136486758585! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 02:17.51 | stoned | dkr: Guerin: abrotman: Debian sucks! |
| 02:17.51 | pinx | yea -- better to let it out once in a while |
| 02:18.09 | dkr | stoned: you can't distract us! :P |
| 02:18.11 | karsten | stoned: ...but it doesn't inhale. |
| 02:18.15 | stoned | damn you! |
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| 02:18.26 | kiba | I know this is real |
| 02:18.28 | pinx | I'll have an ounce of whatever stoned is on |
| 02:18.35 | kiba | I got ubuntu CDs |
| 02:18.43 | stoned | kiba: sorry. |
| 02:18.44 | kiba | because I ordered them |
| 02:18.46 | Guerin | pinx: you probably have better gear from Kawhia |
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| 02:19.03 | pinx | Guerin: yea - true -- and cheaper ;-) |
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| 02:19.30 | pinx | kiba: try #ubuntu |
| 02:19.35 | amphi | kiba: but why? |
| 02:19.52 | stoned | pinx: its pretty good |
| 02:19.56 | Guerin | twobitsprite: the only way to find out for sure is to test it! Extensively! |
| 02:20.08 | colsham | back to serious business. what can i do about my backup drive? when i connect it up, the system failed to boot, with grub error 15. |
| 02:20.10 | pinx | testing testing........ |
| 02:20.22 | karsten | colsham: Bad geometry. |
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| 02:20.36 | stoned | you know in some languages they say a word twice to emphasize it, and its normal |
| 02:20.39 | stoned | not english though |
| 02:20.46 | PupenoR | I have a software raid1 that won't come up at boot but if I assebly and start it (mdadm -A /dev/md2 /dev/sda3 -R) it will just start and then the system would just work. The other raids just work (md0, md1). Any ideaws about what is wrong and/or how to find out? |
| 02:20.47 | Guerin | hm, i though 15 was `the partition is here but there's no kernel' |
| 02:20.49 | karsten | stoned: Yeah, yeah. |
| 02:20.57 | colsham | karsten, it was working all along, until i did an improper power-down. |
| 02:21.04 | pinx | colsham: is grub looking for some non-existant mbr on teh backup drive? |
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| 02:21.10 | stoned | karsten: besides that and few others |
| 02:21.11 | Guerin | stoned: in korea, the day after tomorrow is `tomorrow tomorrow' |
| 02:21.13 | twobitsprite | stoned: that is somtimes, just sometimes true |
| 02:21.18 | kiba | amphi: solipism is impossible to dispute isn't it. But there are some evidence that the internet is real. I met people that I talked with the internet |
| 02:21.21 | stoned | karsten: In urdu/hindi also |
| 02:21.24 | stoned | er.. |
| 02:21.25 | stoned | Guerin: ! |
| 02:21.28 | pinx | manyana manyana is tomorrow morning |
| 02:21.40 | Guerin | pinx: ñ! |
| 02:21.50 | colsham | pinx, how to tell? i have checked menu.lst, looks clean. |
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| 02:22.06 | karsten | colsham: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml?style=printable |
| 02:22.07 | Guerin | pinx: /msg dpkg extended chars |
| 02:22.20 | pinx | what was that about locales - I got distracted with testing gear |
| 02:22.31 | colsham | karsten, thks, will go take a peep at it. |
| 02:22.37 | Guerin | pinx: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 02:22.37 | karsten | stoned: My great great grandfather believed myths like that. |
| 02:22.49 | karsten | stoned: ... but that that that that that referred to is actually the other. |
| 02:23.28 | karsten | colsham: Do both disks have GRUB installed on them? |
| 02:23.46 | karsten | colsham: You may want to try booting from floppy / CD / USB until you sort 'em out. |
| 02:23.58 | Azar | stoned: ! :P |
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| 02:24.12 | stoned | hola |
| 02:24.22 | stoned | karsten: huh? |
| 02:24.31 | stoned | what myth? |
| 02:24.50 | pinx | stoned the myth you mythed |
| 02:24.58 | Azar | hehe |
| 02:25.05 | karsten | stoned: The double double word myth. |
| 02:25.13 | stoned | everytime I talk to my parents they mix like 3 languages together, and say some words twice to emphasize, more in non english langues thy speak |
| 02:25.26 | pinx | stoned mythed it twithe? |
| 02:25.28 | karsten | stoned: Perhaps you mythed the point, tho to thpeak. |
| 02:25.32 | stoned | its not a myth I know a lot of those words in urdu but I don't know them in english |
| 02:25.41 | stoned | god |
| 02:25.47 | karsten | Yeth? |
| 02:25.47 | stoned | my older brother used to talk like that |
| 02:25.51 | stoned | just to taunt me |
| 02:25.54 | stoned | STOP IT! |
| 02:25.54 | Azar | sounds like a Myst story |
| 02:26.02 | pinx | thtop what? |
| 02:26.08 | stoned | shut up! |
| 02:26.13 | stoned | leave me alone! |
| 02:26.17 | Azar | whet? |
| 02:26.22 | karsten | Azar: Asprin gives me headaches! |
| 02:26.22 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:26.24 | stoned | Myst was a good game |
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| 02:26.35 | stoned | I loved that game |
| 02:26.39 | Azar | yep I still have it, and all the books and stuff |
| 02:26.47 | karsten | Azar: http://www.amazon.com/Another-Fine-Myth-Robert-Asprin/dp/0441023622 |
| 02:26.48 | Azar | I have both in fact |
| 02:26.55 | Azar | Myst and Raven |
| 02:27.03 | stoned | Azar: I just used to go and beat the game all the time in the library and people would be like WHOAH how di dyou do that |
| 02:27.03 | abrotman | windows games ? |
| 02:27.12 | Azar | abrotman: yep old ones |
| 02:27.13 | stoned | Azar: I still remember the code for the fireplace |
| 02:27.15 | stoned | to get the white page |
| 02:27.23 | Azar | hehe |
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| 02:27.39 | phliver | can somebody point me in the right direction? i noticed on my notebook during boot that im getting messages saying "skipping already loaded module". its mearly cosmetic but looks bad when i show my friends ;) |
| 02:27.40 | stoned | when the story unveiled itself I was like fuck |
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| 02:27.47 | Azar | I got the entire images collection saved... I use them as my X background |
| 02:27.50 | stoned | Azar: I thought it was the fat one that was bad guy |
| 02:27.52 | pinx | ith it kickable to talk about old windothe gameth on here> |
| 02:28.01 | abrotman | phliver: two different magical module systems are trying to load modules |
| 02:28.08 | karsten | phliver: is the module listed (perhaps more than once) in /etc/modules ? |
| 02:28.13 | abrotman | pinx: no |
| 02:28.18 | phliver | abrotman: i kind of figured that :) |
| 02:28.21 | stoned | Azar: so I free the cool one and I get trapped. same thing with the other one. I then took 4 months to figure out what the hell to do |
| 02:28.22 | Guerin | oh, singtards |
| 02:28.26 | Guerin | they all seem to hate me |
| 02:28.41 | Azar | stoned: http://www.cyanworlds.com/games/myst5.php |
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| 02:28.45 | phliver | karsten: nope. i believe it started happening after upgrading the kernel to 2.6. happens every time |
| 02:28.48 | abrotman | Azar: OT .. come on |
| 02:28.50 | stoned | finally I found the white page and then it took me a few more weeks to figure out how to get it to the father |
| 02:28.54 | karsten | pinx: Only if itth exthethive dithcuthion. |
| 02:29.00 | Azar | oh sorry, sorrryy |
| 02:29.11 | karsten | phliver: Something to do with modprobing I suspect. |
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| 02:29.16 | phliver | and i don't have the boot log handy, but i believe i can see similar modules load much earlier |
| 02:29.19 | stoned | karsten: HAH! |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | Azar: msg him or something if you really want to stroll down memory lane |
| 02:29.22 | stoned | wimp |
| 02:29.27 | pinx | karsten: it'th getting that way |
| 02:29.34 | Azar | abrotman: ok :) |
| 02:29.52 | stoned | hey |
| 02:29.52 | stoned | I don't cyber ok |
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| 02:30.08 | Azar | haha hey stoned, I start feeling sorry we didn't grew up together |
| 02:30.31 | stoned | lol ok word |
| 02:30.35 | stoned | I guess |
| 02:30.47 | stoned | I enjoy a lot of Psycroptic and Debian |
| 02:30.51 | Azar | nothing wrong with making up in /msg you know.. |
| 02:31.33 | stoned | I have sampled many distributions |
| 02:31.33 | Guerin | !aww |
| 02:31.34 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 02:31.45 | stoned | I cannot part with Debian |
| 02:31.46 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 02:31.54 | mynullvoid | how do I fix this? W: GPG error: http://secure-testing.debian.net etch/security-updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 946AA6E18722E71E |
| 02:31.55 | stoned | I don't know why |
| 02:32.11 | Guerin | !topicbadger mynullvoid |
| 02:32.12 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that mynullvoid didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 02:32.17 | Azar | mynullvoid: see /topic |
| 02:32.17 | abrotman | mynullvoid: why are you using that URL ? |
| 02:32.22 | stoned | I mean I tried the shiny new ubutnu also, and fedora and suse and many others |
| 02:32.23 | abrotman | mynullvoid: that's seriously out of date |
| 02:32.35 | mynullvoid | ops |
| 02:32.36 | stoned | I think its because of the simplicity and organization of the packages |
| 02:33.08 | stoned | imo anyway |
| 02:33.24 | stoned | thats why debian kicks buttocks |
| 02:34.06 | stoned | oh and also because it is free too |
| 02:34.16 | Azar | anyways, I can't wait to see who's getting elected, abrotman, can I assist to the debates? or is just for DDs ? |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | Azar: you mean ask questions ? |
| 02:34.44 | Azar | abrotman: noo, just to look |
| 02:34.51 | stoned | elected for what? |
| 02:34.54 | abrotman | Azar: yes .. and the logs are made public |
| 02:34.55 | Azar | I hope voice will be taken away while people talk |
| 02:34.56 | abrotman | stoned: DPL |
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| 02:35.01 | stoned | whats a dpl? |
| 02:35.04 | abrotman | !dpl |
| 02:35.04 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Anthony Towns (aj). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
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| 02:35.07 | Azar | cool |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | no more drugs for stoned |
| 02:35.19 | stoned | where am I? |
| 02:35.33 | abrotman | Azar: yes .. ti's a moderated channel .. i believe don will be taking care of the debate again |
| 02:35.41 | Azar | no, few more weeks and you CAN ask "when am I?" |
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| 02:35.44 | abrotman | stoned: in #debian .. i know it's hard for you to believe that people talk about debian in here ... |
| 02:35.53 | stoned | lol |
| 02:35.58 | Azar | abrotman: yes I read don's announcement |
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| 02:36.37 | Azar | so the channel will be open for anyone wanting to look ? or limited ? |
| 02:36.39 | stoned | hey abrotman you don't have any copies of my mp3s do ya? |
| 02:36.42 | abrotman | Azar: yes |
| 02:36.50 | Azar | :) yay |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | stoned: eh .. i don't think i do .. i normally download that stuff to /tmp/ |
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| 02:37.42 | stoned | I found backups of everything else but those |
| 02:38.11 | stoned | eh that stuff sucked anyway, screw it, I'll record stuff with better tone and quality |
| 02:38.17 | hatter | what could cause /root/.bash_history to be zero bytes |
| 02:38.27 | hatter | without me doing it |
| 02:38.35 | dkr | a rootkit |
| 02:38.45 | pinx | when I'm changing locales and selecting from dpkg-reconfigure, do I have to unselect the non-utf-8 ones? |
| 02:39.02 | hatter | yeah, any reason without it being a rootkit ? |
| 02:39.08 | stoned | if root was never allowed to login and user used sudo maybe? also it could mean you have someone accessing it illegall |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | stoned: did dell eat your data ? |
| 02:39.24 | stoned | abrotman: no I accidentally del the wrong dir |
| 02:39.25 | dkr | hatter: someone other than you cleared history maybe |
| 02:39.32 | abrotman | stoned: doh! |
| 02:39.34 | hatter | i am the only user |
| 02:39.39 | stoned | doh is right |
| 02:39.47 | pinx | Guerin: help please? |
| 02:39.57 | hatter | i looked in the history earlier today... |
| 02:39.59 | dkr | hatter: you neved ran a root login shell, onl yused sudo... |
| 02:40.05 | hatter | then i ran a tape backup |
| 02:40.10 | hatter | i dont use sudo |
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| 02:40.25 | dkr | maybe you restored and overwrite the history file? |
| 02:40.47 | hatter | no restore, |
| 02:40.51 | dkr | maybe history logging is disabled and you were looking t anothe rmachine when you saw commands in it... |
| 02:40.57 | Caelum | anyone using libflashsupport? I tried the deb from revolutionlinux and my firefox keeps dying with it |
| 02:41.01 | Ryushin | abrotman: Hey, Acronis Disk Directory was able to rebuild the partition table. gpart and testdisk both couldn't do it. Thanks goodness I bought that last year. |
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| 02:41.17 | hatter | dkr: straws are good :) |
| 02:41.17 | abrotman | Ryushin: that sucks .. i mean .. good for you .. bad for gpart :) |
| 02:41.24 | hatter | i prefer straws than rootkits |
| 02:41.42 | Ryushin | abrotman: yea, I as reading that it hasn't been updated in a while. |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:41.55 | hatter | how often is the .bash_history update ? |
| 02:41.58 | abrotman | Ryushin: i should have had you check the UBCD too |
| 02:42.11 | Guerin | pinx: yesh? |
| 02:42.23 | hatter | only after logout ? |
| 02:42.25 | Ryushin | abrotman: Ubuntu CD? |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | Rydekull: google "ubcd" |
| 02:42.47 | Guerin | pinx: no, you can have any arbitrary number of locales built, but only one as default |
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| 02:43.19 | Daveman | How are we doing tonight, abrotman? |
| 02:43.32 | Ryushin | Cool. Going to have to try that out. |
| 02:43.45 | abrotman | Daveman: hey .. it's raining .. |
| 02:43.52 | Ryushin | Thanks for the tips though, they got me through to making it work. |
| 02:44.15 | Daveman | heh, sucks... for you :p |
| 02:45.02 | abrotman | no way .. snow going away! |
| 02:45.18 | Daveman | aww :( |
| 02:45.37 | Daveman | hater |
| 02:45.49 | Daveman | oh right, you like it... "warm" ... bleh. |
| 02:45.56 | hatter | daveman: no.... its Hatter |
| 02:45.59 | Daveman | haha 90F ... *dies* |
| 02:46.01 | abrotman | i don't mind snow .. it's the ice |
| 02:46.08 | Daveman | it IS ice :P~ |
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| 02:46.14 | Daveman | EASTCOASTSURPRISE |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:46.39 | pinx | Guerin: ok - i've got allt eh relevant utf-8 ones selected and en-gb utf-8 as default - now what? |
| 02:46.40 | hatter | move to Australia :) |
| 02:46.48 | abrotman | Caelum: what is libflashsupport ? |
| 02:46.59 | Daveman | sif :P |
| 02:47.00 | Guerin | pinx: now relogin |
| 02:47.24 | pinx | Guerin: ok -- brb |
| 02:47.29 | Caelum | abrotman: http://pulseaudio.revolutionlinux.com/PulseAudio |
| 02:47.41 | Caelum | abrotman: lets you use pulseaudio and such with adobe flash 9 |
| 02:47.57 | abrotman | Caelum: eh .. doesn't adobe have an installer ? |
| 02:48.27 | hatter | someone know why this would appear in middle of output of df : df: `status': No such file or directory |
| 02:48.29 | Caelum | abrotman: there's an installer for flash9 in debian, but it doesn't come with libflashsupport |
| 02:48.49 | karsten | hatter: Bogus entry in /etc/mtab? |
| 02:48.49 | abrotman | Caelum: tried other browser ? |
| 02:48.50 | abrotman | s |
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| 02:49.16 | hatter | karsten: if the machine hasn't been rebooted ? |
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| 02:49.31 | hatter | is mtab is created from fstab ? |
| 02:49.46 | Daveman | :D |
| 02:50.22 | hatter | nevermind, reading about mtab now, i had forgotten its purpose |
| 02:50.24 | pinx | Guerin: ok - nothing has apparently changed :( |
| 02:50.26 | Guerin | hatter: it's created from /proc/mounts or something |
| 02:50.40 | Caelum | abrotman: actually I was using firefox from experimental, that was probably the problem...will try the regular unstable iceweasel |
| 02:51.10 | Guerin | pinx: nothign should appear different except you should §ëē utf-8 ;) |
| 02:51.14 | karsten | hatter: compare /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | Caelum: eh .. on etch ? |
| 02:51.45 | karsten | hatter: /etc/mtab is created and updated as filesystems are mounted/umounted, and is used by many utilities, but /proc/mounts is the dispositive source of information on what's actually mounted. |
| 02:51.47 | hatter | anyone think of any problems leaving external maxtor nas mounted permanently with smbfs for daily backups ? |
| 02:51.54 | pinx | Guerin: nope can't type that up-arrow yet |
| 02:51.57 | abrotman | Caelum: yeah .. i'd try against iceweasel or epiphany or something |
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| 02:52.02 | hatter | karsten: thanks |
| 02:52.08 | Guerin | pinx: in rxvt-unicode-ml? |
| 02:52.16 | hatter | karsten: must be a typo in a mount then |
| 02:52.45 | pinx | Guerin: I'm just trying key combinations in gaim - no change |
| 02:53.14 | Guerin | pinx: the arrows are a rxvt-unicode-ml thing |
| 02:53.24 | karsten | hatter: /etc/fstab is a list of known partitions you *can* mount, /etc/mtab is a list of partitions which *are* mounted (or should be). |
| 02:53.30 | Guerin | pinx: for other special characters ask dpkg about extended chars |
| 02:53.54 | fridim | Are you ok with : rsync -a --exclude='- /home/*/no-backup/' /home /mnt/backup ? |
| 02:54.09 | StyXman | hi all. what do I need to put into the kernel to make UUIDs to work? I tried putting EFI support, but it doesn't work. |
| 02:54.11 | fridim | (since it's a backup, I prefer to be sure) |
| 02:54.17 | Guerin | fridim: you might add --progress ;) |
| 02:54.27 | Guerin | fridim: but yes, that will work |
| 02:54.34 | fridim | guerin, it's in crontab, I don't care |
| 02:54.41 | Guerin | ah, cool |
| 02:54.50 | abrotman | StyXman: tried asking ##kernel ? |
| 02:55.04 | Guerin | fridim: why `- ' in front of /home? |
| 02:55.14 | StyXman | abrotman: I just though of that, yes |
| 02:55.18 | Daveman | :) |
| 02:55.22 | StyXman | ##linux, actually |
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| 02:55.26 | fridim | Guerin, it's in the man? |
| 02:55.32 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:55.38 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:55.44 | fridim | Guerin, maybe --exclude '/home/*/no-backup/' |
| 02:56.00 | fridim | Guerin, that was a rethorical question :) |
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| 02:58.06 | karsten | Guerin: ftrm! |
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| 02:58.14 | karsten | fridim: What if there weren't any? |
| 02:59.27 | fridim | karsten, seems to work |
| 02:59.31 | hatter | what are the current rootkit revealers ? rkhunter and anything else ? |
| 02:59.38 | pinx | Guerin: rxvt-unicode-ml is only in unstable |
| 02:59.48 | holycow | does anyone know if you change the partition info with cfdisk, does the grub installed in the bootsector get modified / deleted as well? |
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| 03:00.01 | mave_ | hatter: chkrootkit, afaik |
| 03:00.15 | karsten | hatter: That's the big one. Tiger, debescan, checksecurity, rats are a few others. |
| 03:00.21 | Guerin | pinx: it's just a terminal emulator ;) |
| 03:00.23 | hatter | thanks |
| 03:01.00 | pinx | Guerin: ok - thanks - I'm not making progress here and there's stuff to do. Back later |
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| 03:01.29 | hatter | hmmm, checkrootkit told me what i know, that .bash_history is empty.... |
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| 03:03.59 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:04.01 | hatter | df: 'status' : no such file or directory - how can i find what this is referring to ? |
| 03:04.03 | iamtheric | hey |
| 03:04.11 | lkthomas | how could I specific which package should be upgrade on apt-get ? |
| 03:04.16 | hatter | i got it. |
| 03:04.16 | karsten | hatter: 'strace df' |
| 03:04.19 | iamtheric | apt-get install |
| 03:04.20 | hatter | its the tape drive |
| 03:04.23 | PupenoR | Are there single-port ssh/ip/ethernet <-> serial devices? maybe as a PCI card that would go into the computer? so I can service a computer that won't boot? |
| 03:04.43 | hatter | karsten: thx |
| 03:04.47 | iamtheric | how wont it boot? |
| 03:04.50 | hatter | i will do that anyway, havent used strace |
| 03:04.53 | karsten | PupenoR: Net Weasel, IIRC. |
| 03:05.27 | karsten | PupenoR: More generally: serial console, but that may not help if you can't get BIOS over serial. Most server hardware does support that these days. How many systems? |
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| 03:07.34 | bintut | how can i install win32codecs on debian etch? is there a repository for it including mplayer? |
| 03:08.02 | karsten | PupenoR: Erm, "PC Weasel": http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4557 http://www.realweasel.com/intro.html |
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| 03:08.16 | amphi | !tell bintut about debian-multimedia |
| 03:08.23 | PupenoR | karsten: mmhh... the computers that would deserve such a device are the important ones... they are expensives, they are server hardware... but the one we have here still hase a crappy bios. |
| 03:08.29 | karsten | PupenoR: I think that functionality's being rolled into a lot of system boards now, particularly if you can direct BIOS to COM. |
| 03:08.32 | hatter | when does .bash_history get appended to ? |
| 03:08.52 | amphi | hatter: when the sheel terminates, I believe |
| 03:08.56 | amphi | *shell |
| 03:08.59 | karsten | hatter: When shell exits, cleanly. |
| 03:09.04 | hatter | thx |
| 03:09.19 | karsten | hatter: If you kill the system rather than shutdown, it may not be written. |
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| 03:09.38 | karsten | PupenoR: There's also stuff from various suppliers, including Avocent, some of which works better than others. |
| 03:09.38 | hatter | strange, the terminal has not logged out but during the time the .bash_history is zero |
| 03:09.53 | karsten | PupenoR: The avocent Java-based Internet KVM is complete pants. |
| 03:09.54 | hatter | maybe i did an oops... but i don't remember any |
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| 03:10.30 | PupenoR | karsten: it seems thes net weasel are only VGA/Keyboard <-> RS323, no IP stuff, right? |
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| 03:11.19 | karsten | PupenoR: You'd need a serial concentrator and/or serial-to-TCP converter. |
| 03:11.53 | hatter | pupenor: www.opengear.com have some interesting looking stuff |
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| 03:12.22 | PupenoR | karsten: yeah, I wante all in one. Something like this: http://www.avocent.com/web/en.nsf/Content/DSR1024 but it costs as much as our servers. |
| 03:13.01 | claudio` | is there life? |
| 03:13.10 | abrotman | not here |
| 03:13.11 | hatter | claudio`: after death ? |
| 03:13.23 | karsten | PupenoR: http://www.google.com/search?q=RS-232+Internet+%28concentrator%7Cconverter%29 |
| 03:13.39 | claudio` | out of debian :-) |
| 03:13.41 | karsten | PupenoR: Do *NOT* get the KVM. |
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| 03:13.51 | PupenoR | karsten: why not? |
| 03:13.58 | karsten | PupenoR: They're complete crap. Utterly unnecessary for Linux. |
| 03:14.09 | karsten | PupenoR: And over-the-net performance is abysmal. |
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| 03:14.50 | karsten | PupenoR: They're _ok_ over 10/20gbps between my desk and the DC. 150mbps to a remote site sucks (60+ seconds for a screen draw at boot), and to India (where our overnight techs are) is utterly unusable. |
| 03:15.08 | karsten | PupenoR: We were going to provision several thousand servers with these. We've reconsidered. |
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| 03:15.12 | PupenoR | puting a VGA/keyboard <-> RS232 and connecting it to another PC's RS232 port (both running linux), can't I just do it? |
| 03:15.35 | karsten | PupenoR: All you need is serial out. |
| 03:15.55 | PupenoR | karsten: serial-out from the to-be-controlled computer, right? |
| 03:16.05 | karsten | PupenoR: http://www.avocent.com/web/en.nsf/Content/CycladesACS_Landing |
| 03:16.38 | karsten | PupenoR: <racked server> -- < serial concentrator > ~~ { internet cloud } ~~ < you FTW > |
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| 03:16.58 | bwlang | i've only ever had to go in to our colocation facility once because of a screw up... i'm not sure these remote kvms are really needed. |
| 03:17.11 | karsten | PupenoR: The main difference is that this requires that your server kit be capable of sending BIOS over serial. |
| 03:17.13 | bwlang | what's wrong with ssh? |
| 03:17.17 | PupenoR | karsten: this is to control only one server. Can't I replace the serial concentrator with a PC running Linux? |
| 03:17.46 | karsten | bwlang: How many BIOSes do you know of which support 1) Ethernet cards 2) DHCP 3) SSH 4) Authentication |
| 03:17.55 | karsten | PupenoR: Sure. |
| 03:18.01 | karsten | PupenoR: That's why I asked how many systems. |
| 03:18.10 | PupenoR | karsten: like this: PC (to be controlled) <-> net weasel <-> RS232 <-> PC (controller) running Linux <-> internet. |
| 03:18.35 | PupenoR | karsten: we have lot's of single servers spread across the country... we may start having pairs of servers, but no datacenter with a hundred of them. |
| 03:18.38 | karsten | PupenoR: If that's all you've got, then cross-cabling a few systems comports together gives you access. |
| 03:18.42 | bwlang | 0... but i i'm not sure people *really* need bios access... it's so unusual that you can fix something from the bios but not via ssh |
| 03:19.05 | karsten | bwlang: Wait until you start getting Northbridge GART errors on Sun v40zs. |
| 03:19.12 | karsten | bwlang: That requires a BIOS fix. |
| 03:19.49 | karsten | PupenoR: The other thing that is a real lifesaver is managed power. If you can simply cut power to a system you're going to avoid a lot of long walks / night flights. |
| 03:19.56 | bwlang | ouch... i just use cheapo supermicro servers... no stellar performance, but i've never HAD to do a bios upgrade (only 20 or so machines though) |
| 03:20.04 | karsten | PupenoR: Though remote hands may be able to deal with that. |
| 03:20.26 | karsten | bwlang: Depends on what you've got. Care to budget me swapping out a few hundred v20zs / v40zs? |
| 03:20.37 | karsten | bwlang: ... oh yeah, with 12 - 128 GB RAM. |
| 03:20.42 | bintut | thanks amphi.. |
| 03:21.05 | karsten | bwlang: ... OK, 128 GB *isn't* a v*z, but we provision 'em fat here. |
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| 03:21.33 | bwlang | no no no... i have no interest.... my biggest machines are about 32- 64G of ram... but with machine that expensive you can afford to buy fancy remote kvm stuff. |
| 03:21.36 | hatter | 128 Gb RAM ? |
| 03:21.38 | hatter | omg |
| 03:21.52 | hatter | google servers ? |
| 03:21.55 | karsten | hatter: No. |
| 03:22.05 | karsten | hatter: Yeah, we ran into a problem with our default installer. |
| 03:22.10 | hatter | lol |
| 03:22.12 | hatter | hmm |
| 03:22.14 | karsten | hatter: ... it likes to provision 2xRAM as swap. |
| 03:22.21 | hatter | hahahahaaa |
| 03:22.22 | karsten | hatter: ... system only had a 70GB drive at the time. |
| 03:22.40 | hatter | nice ram drive.... |
| 03:22.51 | karsten | Solution: Remove 100 GB of RAM.... |
| 03:22.55 | hatter | omg |
| 03:23.04 | hatter | how is that ram supplied ? |
| 03:23.11 | bwlang | on pallets ;) |
| 03:23.14 | Guerin | hatter: dumptrucks |
| 03:23.15 | karsten | hatter: In spades ;-) |
| 03:23.16 | hatter | massive cards with banks ? |
| 03:23.30 | hatter | not in a race car ;) |
| 03:23.32 | Guerin | mm, i want a game of cards |
| 03:23.40 | Guerin | i wonder if we can scare up one more player |
| 03:23.46 | PupenoR | is there anything like the net weasel card, but cheaper? 40% of the price of the server in that card is too much. |
| 03:23.53 | karsten | hatter: That particular system was multiproc, possibly 8 procs w/ 16GB banks each. |
| 03:24.09 | karsten | PupenoR: I'm not sure they're even still in production. Page/site are dated 2001. |
| 03:24.10 | hatter | karstenL for what function ? |
| 03:24.25 | karsten | PupenoR: Big news was providing a PCI (rather than ISA) model. |
| 03:24.30 | nevyn | hrm |
| 03:24.31 | karsten | hatter: _not_ weather prediction. |
| 03:24.46 | PupenoR | karsten: yeah :( |
| 03:25.03 | hatter | fox had a show recently on the earth simulator, the 2nd or 3rd largest supercomputer at the moment |
| 03:25.09 | hatter | geez |
| 03:25.24 | hatter | there;s a building the same size next to it.... that is the airconditioner |
| 03:25.31 | abrotman | PupenoR: serial console! |
| 03:25.32 | bwlang | PupenoR: i use hacom boxes as firewalls at my remote sites... you could easily rig one to allow ssh access and serial line access to the real server. |
| 03:25.49 | PupenoR | abrotman: what? |
| 03:26.10 | hatter | what about those little wr45g ? |
| 03:26.10 | PupenoR | bwlang: the problem is not IP <-> serial, but serial <-> vga/keyboard. |
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| 03:26.55 | karsten | hatter: We're ~3k cores here. |
| 03:27.06 | bwlang | PupenoR: i'm not sure about it... but i think there are some bios that will support serial line access |
| 03:27.35 | hatter | karsten: dont tell me, you might have to kill me |
| 03:27.35 | PupenoR | bwlang: yes, I'll check our servers for that, but I can't count on it. |
| 03:27.35 | claudio` | I'm trying to install iceweasel but it need a several dependencies. Should i install these one for time? |
| 03:27.37 | claudio` | :\ |
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| 03:28.18 | abrotman | claudio`: did you read the instructinos at backports.org ? |
| 03:28.22 | claudio` | s/ a / / |
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| 03:28.29 | claudio` | abrotman: really not |
| 03:28.33 | claudio` | i don't know that site |
| 03:28.45 | abrotman | claudio`: how'd you get iceweasel then ? |
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| 03:29.09 | claudio` | from the GNUZilla web site |
| 03:29.31 | karsten | claudio`: In general, install through Debian if you can. |
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| 03:30.11 | claudio` | It's what i'm trying to do but iceweasel don't seems to be in the debian mirrors |
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| 03:30.42 | claudio` | Does backports.org is officially afiliated with debian? |
| 03:30.55 | Guerin | claudio`: yes and no. Affiliated, yes. Officially, no. |
| 03:30.57 | abrotman | the iceweasel from gnu isn't the same as debian's |
| 03:31.00 | stew | claudio`: no, but it is run by debian developers |
| 03:31.29 | claudio` | stew: then i assume it's a good start point for a new debian user like me ;) |
| 03:31.41 | claudio` | I'm on that site, THX guys |
| 03:33.59 | holycow | guys if i wanted to grub-install on the current machine that is turned on onto say hda1 ... are there special parameters to tell grub to install to the bootsector? |
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| 03:35.22 | karsten | Hrm. Is there a default printer spool name that's commonly used? |
| 03:35.28 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 for mbr, hd0,0 for installing to the first partition |
| 03:35.29 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 03:35.39 | holycow | jetscreamer, danke kindly sir |
| 03:35.53 | jetscreamer | it 'might be hd0,1 for the first partition |
| 03:36.03 | jetscreamer | i forget, but i think it's 0,0 |
| 03:36.23 | holycow | actually i was about to say |
| 03:36.33 | holycow | its good to know for comparison, but i only need it reinstalled on mbr |
| 03:36.38 | jetscreamer | hd0 |
| 03:36.39 | holycow | very muchly appreciated |
| 03:36.55 | jetscreamer | check /boot/grub/device.map |
| 03:36.59 | jetscreamer | for accuracy |
| 03:37.17 | holycow | indeedy it is! |
| 03:37.19 | holycow | woot! |
| 03:37.21 | holycow | sweet |
| 03:37.37 | karsten | ... or any self-discovery method for determining same? |
| 03:37.40 | streuner | !moo |
| 03:37.40 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:37.46 | holycow | hey streuner :) |
| 03:38.07 | hatter | !monkeys |
| 03:38.08 | dpkg | monkeys is probably the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
| 03:38.16 | jetscreamer | /var/spool isn't it? |
| 03:38.23 | holycow | thank god i'm not a holymonkey |
| 03:38.24 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 03:38.28 | holycow | although *hmmm* |
| 03:38.44 | Harzilein | hmm |
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| 03:39.02 | Harzilein | did nvidia-glx-legacy become abandoned? |
| 03:39.13 | Harzilein | looks like i have to get the installer myself :/ |
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| 03:39.41 | holycow | Harzilein, not sure what you mean about abandandoned ... its only good up to certain kernels |
| 03:39.57 | holycow | we can't recompile nvidia drivers for obvious reasons, so when they stopped, we did |
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| 03:42.58 | holycow | totally |
| 03:43.05 | holycow | there is a project to make open source vid cards |
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| 03:43.13 | holycow | i'm going to buy like 2 dozen when they arrive |
| 03:43.14 | haggz | is update-alternatives safe to learn through experimentation, or am I likely to break normal system operations if I misconfigure it? the manpage is kind of intimidating. |
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| 03:43.31 | claudio` | re |
| 03:43.52 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: apt-get install pkg-config xserver-xorg-dev && md /usr/src/nvda && cd /usr/src/nvda && wget -c ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9746/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run && sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9746-pkg0.run -anN |
| 03:44.04 | hatter | cant wait until i become a huge company and turn into self propagating corporate asshole |
| 03:44.13 | holycow | lol |
| 03:44.38 | jetscreamer | haggz: update-alternatives --all is easy, adding a new alternative isn't, imo |
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| 03:44.52 | hatter | mmmm, something to look forward to.... get some new buddies.... ms, symantec, ati, nvidia, |
| 03:45.00 | holycow | hatter, it has actually been shown in experimentation that the higher up in the hierarchy you are the more self centered and less informed one is |
| 03:45.13 | holycow | by definition a ceo is a retard as part of being in their position it seems |
| 03:45.25 | holycow | but i'm not making any excuses for ballmer |
| 03:45.26 | jetscreamer | unless the ceo is the founder |
| 03:45.26 | nevyn | not a retard |
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| 03:45.29 | nevyn | a sociopath |
| 03:45.36 | holycow | or that, indeed |
| 03:45.40 | m1ke_l | ballmer is insane by all counts |
| 03:45.43 | holycow | jetscreamer, ah yeah actually good point :) |
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| 03:45.52 | karsten | Hrm.... |
| 03:45.52 | nevyn | not that anyone in here can talk... |
| 03:45.56 | holycow | m1ke_l, heh, thats an interesting postulate |
| 03:45.58 | jetscreamer | i can type though |
| 03:46.00 | holycow | i never thought about that |
| 03:46.15 | karsten | So, I've got CUPS installed locally, but there's another ssytem running CUPS with a whole mess of printers configured on it. |
| 03:46.18 | m1ke_l | watch any video of him or read any interview....he is insane |
| 03:46.22 | hatter | agreed. it has been shown over and over again. it should be a section of business management course; what yuou will turn into... |
| 03:46.38 | Harzilein | jetscreamer: since when do i need to get it myself? |
| 03:46.45 | holycow | m1ke_l, i think you are onto something frankly |
| 03:46.47 | claudio` | Ok, but i haven't solve the dependencies problem. Even using the backports.org mirrors should I install all the dependencies one for time (since all backports are deactivated by default) ? |
| 03:47.01 | karsten | How woudl I configure CUPS to use said print server? |
| 03:47.03 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: that's for the nvidia installer, not the debian-ized version |
| 03:47.05 | Harzilein | jetscreamer: this is actually just the error with the nvidia (X11!) module not being found |
| 03:47.24 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: i could never get that one to work anyway... the .run 'just works'(tm) |
| 03:47.28 | jetscreamer | no error, either |
| 03:47.30 | Harzilein | jetscreamer: but in the past the debianized version got recommended by debian people |
| 03:47.34 | nevyn | so.. anyone here used GLPI, OCSng or puppet? |
| 03:47.35 | abrotman | claudio`: did you read the instructinos at backports.org ? |
| 03:47.42 | claudio` | abrotman: yes |
| 03:47.57 | stew | claudio`: get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
| 03:47.58 | Harzilein | jetscreamer: well, the debian package worked for me (and my oldish TNT2) |
| 03:47.59 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: i recommend stuff they don't..... but, otoh, what i recommend always worked for me |
| 03:48.07 | Guerin | karsten: the server you want to use is on another box on the network? |
| 03:48.15 | karsten | Guerin: I think so. |
| 03:48.18 | haggz | jetscreamer: thanks, I was contemplating trying to add some new automatic file processing abilities by pointing my alternatives at some custom scripts, but I think I'll find another way to do what I want. |
| 03:48.21 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: if you have a tnt2 you needthe latest legacy driver, not the 'latest' |
| 03:48.25 | jetscreamer | i 'think |
| 03:48.37 | jetscreamer | might be tnt1though |
| 03:48.38 | Guerin | karsten: on that box, publish whichever printers you want remote access to in the cups UI |
| 03:48.38 | karsten | Guerin: I'm running Debian at this point. Under RHEL4, KDE's print configurator thingee saw a bunch of other printers out there. |
| 03:48.48 | jetscreamer | centos > rhel |
| 03:48.58 | karsten | Guerin: ... and locally I do what? The remote print server is already configured AFAICT. |
| 03:48.59 | Guerin | karsten: then your local cups server will automagically see them and you'll be able to print to them |
| 03:49.05 | Harzilein | jetscreamer: so i wonder what's broken now... there are lots of threads of people encountering the same behaviour |
| 03:49.10 | jetscreamer | well at least my webhosts imlementation of both |
| 03:49.23 | karsten | Guerin: Um. What do I tell my local CUPs config WRT remote server? |
| 03:49.30 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: i've seen many ppl go through hell with the debian nvidia stuff |
| 03:49.34 | jetscreamer | been a while though |
| 03:49.41 | Guerin | karsten: you shouldn't need to do anything |
| 03:49.55 | jetscreamer | Harzilein: if you paste what i typed it will 'just work' (assuming etch or >) |
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| 03:50.02 | Guerin | karsten: as long at the server has the printer published, it advertises it on the network, which cups automatically checks |
| 03:50.06 | karsten | Guerin: Then HTF do I "see" the remote printers? |
| 03:50.12 | karsten | Guerin: Hrm... |
| 03:50.17 | karsten | Guerin: That doesn't appear to be working. |
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| 03:50.26 | claudio` | sorry |
| 03:50.35 | ooXoo | how to disable log file? |
| 03:50.37 | claudio` | abrotman: yes, i've read the backports.org instruction |
| 03:50.37 | Guerin | karsten: they Just Show Up. If they don't, then it's likely the printer isn't published or isn't set up on the network |
| 03:50.45 | Guerin | ooXoo: you can't |
| 03:50.48 | karsten | Guerin: Could be that my auth stuff not being properly configurated has something to do with it. |
| 03:50.55 | Guerin | possible |
| 03:50.55 | ooXoo | I ment - how to disable journal in file system |
| 03:51.04 | karsten | Guerin: OK. Well, They're Just Not Showing Up[tm] at present. |
| 03:51.04 | jetscreamer | jsut mount it as ext2 |
| 03:51.06 | ooXoo | in reisersfs, in ext3 |
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| 03:51.14 | jetscreamer | if ti's ext3 |
| 03:51.18 | Guerin | ooXoo: in reiserfs it can't be done, ttbomk |
| 03:51.25 | Guerin | ooXoo: in ext3, just mount it as ext2 |
| 03:51.30 | jetscreamer | lose the reiser imo |
| 03:51.36 | Guerin | seconded |
| 03:51.54 | claudio` | stew: do you need the output of apt-get? |
| 03:52.00 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... and the wife. |
| 03:52.11 | ooXoo | so when I am 100% shure I do not need journaling I should use ext2 filesystems? I thought reiser is faster? ext2 have ACLs and xattr? |
| 03:52.33 | karsten | ooXoo: Yes on ACLs, not sure on xattr. |
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| 03:52.46 | Guerin | ooXoo: reiser is not fun times. ext2 is very fast, and ttbomk has both acls and xattr. |
| 03:53.02 | karsten | ooXoo: ext2fs should be faster (no journaling overhead) than ext3. Reiserfs has better performance on directories w/ large numbers of files. |
| 03:53.07 | hatter | why do we still speak of ext2 ? |
| 03:53.09 | ooXoo | ttbomk? is it in debian stable? |
| 03:53.13 | karsten | Guerin: What have you had happen WRT reiserfs? |
| 03:53.17 | Guerin | !ttbomk |
| 03:53.18 | dpkg | it has been said that ttbomk is to the best of my knowledge |
| 03:53.27 | ooXoo | heh |
| 03:53.28 | ixrp | is there any way to change mail settings for cron? for example the subject of the email or the return-path. |
| 03:53.37 | karsten | hatter: If you have a small filesystem, or no need for journaling, it's a sane choice. |
| 03:53.40 | litage | what happens if you specify a value for "vga=" in lilo.conf that your LCD or video card doesn't support? |
| 03:53.50 | hatter | would anyone seriously use ext2 with no journalingh ? |
| 03:53.50 | karsten | ixrp: man 5 crontab |
| 03:53.50 | Guerin | karsten: reiser3, just data loss after power failure. Reiser4 was actually pretty good, though I only used it for ~9 months. |
| 03:53.52 | jetscreamer | karsten: i thought reiser already did 'lose' his wife... |
| 03:53.59 | stew | claudio`: sure |
| 03:54.00 | Guerin | hatter: sure, why not? |
| 03:54.01 | karsten | litage: Britney Spears shaves your head. |
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| 03:54.13 | litage | .... |
| 03:54.19 | Guerin | hatter: on machines with redundamt power, where ther'es a need for great speed, it's a perfectly sane thing to do. |
| 03:54.22 | ooXoo | reiserfs is fast while reading / searching files |
| 03:54.28 | jetscreamer | litage: it's a blank screen |
| 03:54.33 | ooXoo | can't I disable the stupid journal in raiser? |
| 03:54.34 | jetscreamer | in my exp |
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| 03:54.47 | jetscreamer | litage: hwinfo --framebuffer |
| 03:54.49 | ooXoo | I dont need it since the "device" is actually a loopback file (qemu) |
| 03:54.50 | hatter | the speed is that much better ? |
| 03:54.51 | jetscreamer | !hwinfo |
| 03:54.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
| 03:54.52 | Guerin | ooXoo: nttbomk |
| 03:54.54 | hatter | in this day ? |
| 03:54.58 | litage | jetscreamer: how would one fix that if it occured/ |
| 03:55.00 | karsten | ixrp: MAILTO. Or explicitly mail your results (cmd | mail -s "subject" recipient) |
| 03:55.03 | Guerin | hatter: yes, much better. |
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| 03:55.08 | ixrp | karsten: do you understand my question? i read the cron doc carefully before post here. |
| 03:55.09 | ooXoo | hatta, reiser is MUCH faster in things like find |
| 03:55.10 | jetscreamer | litage: append vga=normal |
| 03:55.18 | claudio` | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5444 |
| 03:55.21 | stanford | I'm trying to install Debian using netInstall but it doesn't detect my Ethernet card, but a ubuntu liveCD can detect it. What should I do? |
| 03:55.22 | jetscreamer | litage: you can hit e when grub boots |
| 03:55.31 | litage | jetscreamer: i'm talking about lilo.. |
| 03:55.46 | jetscreamer | litage: then just add it to the boot: line |
| 03:55.48 | karsten | ixrp: If you need that much control over your mail, invoke it explicitly. |
| 03:55.49 | streuner | stanford: Which iso did you try? |
| 03:56.03 | litage | jetscreamer: when my box boots, there's no "boot:" line |
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| 03:56.25 | jetscreamer | litage: i think you hit tab or exsc to call it... i forget been a while since lilo |
| 03:56.28 | jetscreamer | esc |
| 03:56.31 | litage | thanks |
| 03:56.48 | karsten | litage: Damned hippy freaks. Try "sandles" or "moccasins". |
| 03:56.50 | jetscreamer | litage: they have online manpages |
| 03:56.54 | PupenoR | I have two raid1s that just won't be automatically assembled with all its parts at boot, any ideas why that might be? only the first of md0 and md1 (root and swap) are up, while both parts of md2 (/var) is up. |
| 03:57.01 | stanford | streuner, for ubuntulive CD i tried the newest one |
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| 03:57.08 | karsten | litage: <shift> should give you a lilo prompt. |
| 03:57.11 | stew | claudio`: can you give me the output of "LANG=C apt-cache policy iceweasel" |
| 03:57.11 | litage | karsten: shwa? |
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| 03:57.17 | litage | karsten: sandles or maccasins? |
| 03:57.23 | stanford | streuner, i can see it in lspci but I don't know which module it loads when I type lsmod because there's so many |
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| 03:57.38 | LeFallen | Anyone know of a PCI-X SATA2 card that uses the Sil3124 chipset? |
| 03:57.48 | ixrp | karsten: i know the option mailto; so the answer to my question is a simply NO, you can't modify the options of the email sent by cron; you can only specify the local account. |
| 03:57.58 | JB318 | Is this the place for etch d-i RC1 issues? |
| 03:57.59 | litage | ah |
| 03:58.08 | streuner | standford: no, which d-i (debian-installer) and what NIC do you have (lspci -v | grep -i eth) |
| 03:58.16 | Guerin | JB318: #debian-boot irc.debian.org |
| 03:58.36 | stew | JB318: rc1 is known to be broken, use a daily build |
| 03:58.43 | claudio` | stew: sure: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5445 |
| 03:58.55 | JB318 | Guerin: Is that OFTC? |
| 03:59.00 | Guerin | JB318: yes. |
| 03:59.03 | JB318 | k, thx |
| 03:59.10 | ixrp | karnten: but thanks for your support. |
| 03:59.11 | karsten | ixrp: No. |
| 03:59.14 | ooXoo | Guerin, the nolog option in reiserfs diables journaling |
| 03:59.22 | Guerin | ooXoo: good luck with that. |
| 03:59.40 | karsten | ixrp: The answer is "if you want explicit control over mail options, handle the mail yourself (which does suggest that cron's abilities are limited)". |
| 03:59.40 | stew | claudio`: so the problem is that you already installed iceweasel from testing, but you are running stable |
| 03:59.43 | jetscreamer | litage: If prompt isn't set, when the word "LILO" appears, press Control, Shift, or Alt, and the boot prompt appears. You also can press the Scroll Lock key before LILO is printed and not have to wait poised over the keyboard for the right moment. |
| 03:59.47 | stew | claudio`: you can't mix stable and testing |
| 04:00.07 | stanford | streuner, it's a marvell technology card and i see 88E8036 |
| 04:00.33 | karsten | ixrp: cron will simply bundle up and stdout/stdin and generate mail. If there's no output, there's no mail. If you want *explicit* mail handling, pipe your output to a client or your mailserver directly with headers and arguments you want. I'd script that rather than try to do it all on the crontab line. |
| 04:00.43 | jetscreamer | http://72.14.203.104/linux?q=cache:aC7ho4gcykQJ:www.unix.org.ua/orelly/linux/lnut/ch04_05.htm+lilo+boot:+manpage&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=12&gl=us&lr=lang_en |
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| 04:00.53 | stanford | streuner, the netinstall cd was stable version downloaded yesterday |
| 04:00.57 | litage | jetscreamer: thanks. i'll read through lilo's manpage to find out about the prompt |
| 04:01.15 | claudio` | stew: can't i use the backports.org software with a stable release? |
| 04:01.19 | streuner | !d-i standford |
| 04:01.19 | dpkg | standford, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 04:01.20 | stanford | streuner, do you think testing cd would work? |
| 04:01.29 | stew | claudio`: yes, but not the testing one that you have installed |
| 04:01.34 | ixrp | karsten: what's the best shell command for send emails across a shell script? mail? i don't have the mail command. i have postfix. |
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| 04:01.46 | streuner | standford: sure, just try the second URL mentioned (d-i) |
| 04:01.50 | stew | claudio`: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
| 04:01.52 | me_too | hi |
| 04:01.55 | haggz | I think the website designers/maintainers should streamline and update the path to Etch installation, I think the average 'I want to try Debian' person is installing Sarge a lot more often than Etch, and using a suboptimal installation path 50% of the time when they do find the Etch links. |
| 04:01.56 | me_too | how do i install debian with kernel 2.6? it keeps putting 2.4 even though the website page i got the ISO off of said 2.6 was the default for sarge |
| 04:02.16 | karsten | ixrp: Depends on what you want to do. Debian's 'mail' is pretty full-featured. I frequently invoke mutt. Or any Sendmail-compatible MTA (postfix, exim4). |
| 04:02.17 | claudio` | stew: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 |
| 04:02.17 | stanford | okay, thanks I'll try that |
| 04:02.39 | stew | claudio`: thats good, so remove iceweasel and try installing it from backports again |
| 04:02.54 | jetscreamer | me_too: expert26 with a sarge cd |
| 04:02.55 | karsten | haggz: etch isn't released yet. Why would we want it to appear to be the official release? |
| 04:02.56 | claudio` | stew: yes.. i'm trying, THX |
| 04:03.00 | jetscreamer | at the boot: prompt |
| 04:03.03 | streuner | standford: what kernel does the live-CD use? |
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| 04:03.16 | me_too | thanks a lot |
| 04:03.20 | me_too | efnet pwns you noobs |
| 04:03.21 | me_too | bye |
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| 04:04.05 | Guerin | karsten: never been pwned by efnet before, noob? |
| 04:04.14 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 04:04.34 | Guerin | karsten: see pix @ 127.0.0.1~ |
| 04:04.57 | karsten | Guerin: OMG! You've been taking pix of me! pwn3d! |
| 04:05.07 | Guerin | pyowpyow! |
| 04:05.19 | claudio` | stew: "E: Package iceweasel has no installation candidate" |
| 04:05.26 | jetscreamer | Guerin is an ugly girl |
| 04:05.33 | karsten | jetscreamer: I'm uglier. |
| 04:05.34 | haggz | karsten: I didn't mean to imply that everyone should be using it, but I've noticed a lot of people who come in here with installation questions who get the answer "you probably want Etch" and get sent to the Etch netinstall links. I understand that once Etch is released the website will be totally reworked so maybe its not worth the time to try to make a lot of changes during the transition. |
| 04:05.35 | claudio` | maybe i put a wrong package's name? |
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| 04:05.36 | jetscreamer | sounds like sarge to me, claudio |
| 04:05.59 | jetscreamer | claudio`: try apt-cache search iceweasel |
| 04:06.05 | Guerin | jetscreamer: *sob* - it's the beard, isn't it? |
| 04:06.16 | jetscreamer | oh you grew a beard? |
| 04:06.16 | stew | does bpo even have an iceweasel package? |
| 04:06.31 | stew | claudio`: there is no backport of iceweasel |
| 04:06.35 | streuner | stew: i doubt it |
| 04:06.40 | claudio` | oh |
| 04:06.53 | karsten | haggz: People with clue can find etch. |
| 04:06.55 | jetscreamer | just use netscape |
| 04:06.55 | claudio` | ... |
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| 04:06.59 | karsten | haggz: People w/o clue should use sarge. |
| 04:07.00 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 04:07.13 | Guerin | jetscreamer: yeah - they tried to make me get rid of it, but no matter how much I scraped it off, it kept growing back, so I thought, let it be |
| 04:07.20 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:07.30 | claudio` | Then how can i install it? |
| 04:07.30 | karsten | Guerin: You could write a song about that .... |
| 04:07.31 | claudio` | :| |
| 04:07.37 | karsten | !tell claudio` about backports |
| 04:07.42 | Guerin | karsten: those are words of wisdom. |
| 04:07.43 | jetscreamer | claudio`: compile it from source maybe |
| 04:07.44 | karsten | Feh. |
| 04:07.49 | karsten | claudio`: Nevermind, sorry. |
| 04:07.55 | jetscreamer | real men run experimental |
| 04:07.56 | claudio` | karsten: np |
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| 04:08.09 | karsten | jetscreamer: Real men are _in_ experimental. |
| 04:08.23 | jetscreamer | i'm experimented on, does that count? |
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| 04:08.35 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... though I've dated a few unstable women as well... |
| 04:08.45 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 04:09.06 | jetscreamer | happyalmostfuckingbirthdaytofuckingme |
| 04:09.09 | streuner | gravity: haha |
| 04:09.16 | jetscreamer | beer#2 |
| 04:09.19 | claudio` | jetscreamer: some hours ago i'd tried to compile the sources and someone here told me to use debian package. Now i've learned that there is no debian package for that software (iceweasel).. and i'm coming back to install it from source. |
| 04:09.21 | Guerin | ah, beer |
| 04:09.25 | haggz | Karsten: Those are very good points. Come to think of it, I think my REAL suggestion is that people be required to pass a short quiz demonstrating they understand the differences between stable, testing, and unstable before they are allowed to download anything! |
| 04:09.34 | claudio` | Should i become crazy? :-) |
| 04:09.37 | pinx | Mmmm -- beer |
| 04:09.38 | gravity | ... no debian package for iceweasel? |
| 04:09.40 | gravity | wtf? |
| 04:09.42 | Guerin | gravity: stable |
| 04:09.47 | gravity | Aha |
| 04:09.47 | streuner | gravity: bpo... |
| 04:09.49 | stew | gravity: in bpo |
| 04:09.53 | cwheeler | I need to know what pkgsel fails with error code 1 means |
| 04:09.56 | jetscreamer | claudio`: if you want iceweasel, and you have a clue, and it's a desktop, upgrade to etch |
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| 04:10.08 | karsten | haggz: But we'd lose _so_ many users to $OTHER_DISTRO! |
| 04:10.14 | pinx | !beer to Guerin |
| 04:10.15 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: tasksel sucks |
| 04:10.19 | Guerin | arr! |
| 04:10.29 | gravity | tasksel even |
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| 04:10.38 | Guerin | i still hold out hope that the eejit who has my $5.50 firewall will email |
| 04:10.39 | karsten | gravity: I hear x.org's been pulled from etch ;-) |
| 04:10.47 | streuner | stew: he want etch, soon or later those packages are too old for him anyways... |
| 04:10.53 | jetscreamer | what i don't like is it doesn't install all of one thing, it installs some of everything |
| 04:10.55 | gravity | karsten: xfree864lyfe |
| 04:11.07 | jetscreamer | xorg++ gravity++ |
| 04:11.14 | pinx | Guerin: if he's a real eejit - you've shat out |
| 04:11.16 | witless | is there software in the sarge archives that provides web-based discussion forum, ability to post articles and photos, etc., and ideally is python based? |
| 04:11.18 | Guerin | i want xfree87!11 |
| 04:11.19 | rares000 | x.org has been pulled from etch? |
| 04:11.21 | stew | streuner: ok |
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| 04:11.37 | rares000 | what the hell? |
| 04:11.37 | karsten | gravity: There, now I've done it ;-) |
| 04:11.40 | stew | rares000: no, ignore that |
| 04:11.40 | gravity | julien did almost all the work on getting 7.2 in to experimental, btw. I'll be building and uploading the drivers over tonight and tomorrow. Then 7.2 will be all in. |
| 04:11.40 | jetscreamer | no rares000 least not afaiaware |
| 04:11.43 | gravity | hehe |
| 04:11.48 | gravity | rares000: He's just messing with me :-) |
| 04:11.57 | karsten | rares000: gravity's the DD for x.org |
| 04:12.02 | gravity | But yeah, 7.2 lamost completely in Debina |
| 04:12.03 | karsten | rares000: I'm giving him the piss. |
| 04:12.05 | gravity | s/the/a/ |
| 04:12.13 | karsten | (or taking it) |
| 04:12.22 | Guerin | pinx: ? |
| 04:12.26 | Guerin | pinx: parse error |
| 04:12.29 | karsten | witless: In general: search blogs or cmss. |
| 04:12.31 | rares000 | well i just shit myself |
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| 04:12.40 | witless | karsten: thanks |
| 04:12.48 | gravity | And we're moving to get the hot new rander lovin' in ASAP. Server 1.3 should be a bleeding edge release in the next few days when keithp is done with it, but we'll probably have the pre-release versions in the archive if we beat him to it |
| 04:12.50 | karsten | rares000: Here's some paper. |
| 04:12.50 | jetscreamer | how did you get yourself to come out of your ass though |
| 04:13.06 | stoned | Azar: you there |
| 04:13.08 | Guerin | etch release december 2006? oh, you mean THIS 2006? Not 2006 post-cylon era? |
| 04:13.10 | pinx | mas ninguém fez uma oferta comprar ele ainda. |
| 04:13.22 | pinx | Ooops --- sorry - wrong window |
| 04:13.29 | jetscreamer | Guerin: that's a typo, they meant 20006... |
| 04:13.31 | rares000 | jetscreamer: i was trained to do that by an AI i'm writing which i can't get to stop looping |
| 04:13.34 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:14.11 | karsten | witless: I used to like drupal though it's being dropped from etch (really, afaik). |
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| 04:14.25 | cwheeler | jetscreamer what's the solution? |
| 04:14.41 | cwheeler | abort install, boot and use synaptic? |
| 04:14.59 | karsten | witless: http://swik.net/Debian/Planet+Debian/Ingo+Juergensmann:+Blog+migration+finished/x4k4 |
| 04:15.01 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: not abort install, just abort tasksel |
| 04:15.09 | witless | karsten: currently my servers have sarge but i'll upgrade to etch when it goes stable. are you aware of a preferred package, ideally that uses python, and even better if it uses postgresql :-) |
| 04:15.25 | karsten | witless: Maybe serendipity. Not python (php), but ... |
| 04:15.31 | jetscreamer | dselect is your god |
| 04:15.33 | karsten | witless: Scoop! |
| 04:15.37 | karsten | (Perl). |
| 04:15.49 | karsten | witless: ... might look for something using RoR (ruby on rails) |
| 04:16.35 | cwheeler | jetscreamer how do i get to dselect? |
| 04:16.50 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: i was only joking (kinda) |
| 04:16.52 | witless | hmmm |
| 04:16.52 | karsten | cwheeler: practice, practice, practice |
| 04:16.58 | jetscreamer | use tasksel or synaptic |
| 04:17.00 | witless | are there any that are particularly good under heavy load? |
| 04:17.01 | jetscreamer | err |
| 04:17.05 | jetscreamer | not tasksel |
| 04:17.10 | jetscreamer | i meant aptitude |
| 04:17.21 | jetscreamer | but you just type 'dselect' |
| 04:17.25 | jetscreamer | no ' |
| 04:17.47 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 04:17.48 | dpkg | methinks dselect is a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. see fix-unmet |
| 04:18.20 | jetscreamer | oh is the xorg driver thingy fixed gravity? (/me is sure it is by now) |
| 04:18.22 | karsten | witless: Most stuff seems to be php, honestly. |
| 04:18.30 | gravity | jetscreamer: Which driver thingy? |
| 04:18.37 | witless | i'm ok with php, i just like python a lot more |
| 04:18.40 | jetscreamer | the one from a couple weeks ago |
| 04:18.47 | Gokee2 | I can`t get connected to the network, however with kismet I can see all the packets that go through. Can I send a file over the network, sniff it, and put it back together as a whole file? The network is not encrypted. |
| 04:18.54 | jetscreamer | where the packages weren't getting installed |
| 04:18.58 | gravity | jetscreamer: You'll have to remind me, sorry :-( I've had a lot on my mind lately |
| 04:19.00 | jetscreamer | some dependency thing |
| 04:19.07 | jetscreamer | i'm sure it is it wa sa while |
| 04:19.09 | Rusty1 | witless: perhaps a zope thing? |
| 04:19.09 | gravity | jetscreamer: Oh, the -all package missing? |
| 04:19.12 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 04:19.18 | witless | yeah, i was just looking at one of those |
| 04:19.27 | gravity | Yeah, that's pretty much as fixed as it's going to be |
| 04:19.43 | gravity | We've strained apt and its frontends to the limit on this one, so if they fail there's not much to be done at this point |
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| 04:20.04 | jetscreamer | anyibody: how come the sdl-alldoesn't supply sdl-alsa |
| 04:20.19 | Rusty1 | witless: turbogears, django also worth a look |
| 04:20.26 | ooXoo | !why is kqemu not in testing |
| 04:20.27 | dpkg | kqemu is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=kqemu |
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| 04:20.40 | jetscreamer | as in libsdl1.2debian-alsa |
| 04:20.42 | witless | i'm looking for something pretty end-user-ready, with account management etc |
| 04:21.00 | jetscreamer | vs libsdl1.2debian-all |
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| 04:21.30 | jetscreamer | the -all doesn't seem to actually be 'all' |
| 04:22.09 | cwheeler | jetscreamer to do that i need to finish the install and boot the system right? |
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| 04:22.15 | cwheeler | oh it won't install grub either :( |
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| 04:23.04 | Rusty1 | witless: http://zwiki.org/FrontPage, dunno |
| 04:23.04 | jetscreamer | cwheeler: yeah, mostly (chroots don't count) |
| 04:23.15 | mave | ooXoo: you are looking for kqemu? |
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| 04:24.42 | lumgwada | heya, when a ssh session crashes and the next time you log in you can see the tty session when you type w ... is there any way you can rejoin the terminal session? cheers. |
| 04:24.53 | witless | zope is scary |
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| 04:27.23 | schme | lumgwada: use screen :) |
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| 04:27.36 | dav_ | elo |
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| 04:27.59 | lumgwada | schme: cheers |
| 04:28.36 | dav_ | i v installed snort and looking for a way to make "active filtering" i mean by example if a hhost is trying a scan port or buffer overflow or anything else dangerous automatickly ban his ip for by example 10 minutes |
| 04:29.10 | dav_ | snort + iptable i mean but can't find any docs on that |
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| 04:33.56 | haggz | I installed beryl into my sid partition mostly to see if it would work, and it actually reduces my CPU load substantially while running a GUI since it offloads so much to the card. I wasn't expecting it would be a performance booster. |
| 04:34.46 | Guerin | hah, cool |
| 04:35.06 | Guerin | though I hate to think what MW you were using which burned so much cpu |
| 04:35.12 | Guerin | ]s/MW/WM/ |
| 04:36.33 | haggz | Guerin: any WM will use a bunch of cpu if you open a lot of bitmaps and start doing a lot of fast scrolling/dragging/etc, just on the basis of shifting memory around. |
| 04:36.40 | claudio` | I can't compile iceweasel due to the follow problem |
| 04:36.41 | claudio` | checking whether the C compiler (gcc ) works... no |
| 04:36.44 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:36.47 | claudio` | and.. "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables." |
| 04:37.01 | Guerin | !b-e claudio` |
| 04:37.02 | dpkg | claudio`: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 04:37.05 | claudio` | but of course gcc is installed. I've also installe the GNU make utiliy and automake |
| 04:37.18 | claudio` | uhm.. ok |
| 04:37.21 | claudio` | THX Guerin |
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| 04:37.46 | krenin | Debian ROCKS :) |
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| 04:37.47 | krenin | Hi folks. |
| 04:38.03 | dererk | Hi |
| 04:38.04 | haggz | guerin: but beryl takes all of that graphic information and just hands it all over the GPU and the gpu caches it and moves it around, basically the cpu just has to send xwindows management information, -- it only has to ever move the bitmaps once, to get them from disk or wherever to the GPUs memory supply. |
| 04:38.29 | Guerin | haggz: i don't have any sort of problems with slow bitmaps, since my wm has none |
| 04:39.18 | haggz | guerin: i meant working with image files themselves, not bitmaps deployed by the WM |
| 04:39.23 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:39.54 | smacnay | is there some sort of method of listing files in a dir and getting their sizes to fit a certain number of MB... for example, determining how many files will best fit one CD for a backup? |
| 04:40.36 | haggz | guerin: i like the alt-f2, alt-f3, etc "window manager" if Im not working with graphical data ;) |
| 04:40.40 | gravity | That doesn't make sense |
| 04:41.01 | gravity | If you're talking about editing things in the gimp or whatever, the gimp isn't offloading anything to the graphics card. |
| 04:41.29 | gravity | Compositing will save you on expose events though |
| 04:41.49 | haggz | gravity: yes, thats what Im talking about, if you just open about a dozen overlapping windows of large images |
| 04:42.16 | haggz | gravity: if your cpu has to move the information in and out of the graphics framebuffer it gets expensive |
| 04:42.18 | gravity | haggz: Yeah, that makes sense. You're chewing through video memory doing that, but it works. |
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| 04:42.39 | gravity | haggz: It's not so much that it's moving the information around as that the apps don't have to redraw every time you expose the window |
| 04:42.53 | gravity | The compositing manager just copies the data that's already rendered offscreen |
| 04:43.14 | gravity | tbh, I haven't looked at the details of the composting code enough to know if it's moving it or just pointing to it really |
| 04:43.34 | haggz | gravity: yeah I don't know the precise details of exactly where/when the memory pages get moved, I just track my cpu usage, and I've read up on the theory of it |
| 04:43.44 | gravity | Yeah |
| 04:44.38 | gravity | I've been telling people for a while now that they'd save on expose events with compiz or beryl, and that this would be the most noticeable for remote X apps. No one seemed to believe me though :-) |
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| 04:45.00 | haggz | gravity: yes, its very noticeable. |
| 04:45.05 | gravity | Yeah |
| 04:45.50 | Azar | dondelecaro I have few questions about March 16 where can I ask? |
| 04:45.56 | dondelelcaro | March 16th? |
| 04:46.15 | Azar | yes.... |
| 04:46.22 | dondelelcaro | it's the day after the ides... |
| 04:46.26 | Azar | :) |
| 04:46.28 | witless | any idea why drupal is being dropped? |
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| 04:46.48 | Azar | the dpl debates |
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| 04:46.59 | dondelelcaro | Azar: the dpl debates aren't necessarily happening on that date |
| 04:47.13 | Azar | oh I was reading on an article |
| 04:47.14 | dondelelcaro | that's the rules and schedule from last year |
| 04:47.16 | gravity | witless: Apparently it's a security nightmare |
| 04:47.22 | Guerin | witless: debian-devel-anmnource will know |
| 04:47.25 | witless | gravity: fair enough |
| 04:47.31 | Azar | ah.. |
| 04:47.35 | dondelelcaro | Azar: what article/ |
| 04:47.39 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Has anyone else volunteered to help out? |
| 04:47.54 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah; I need to put together a message which lists who has volunteered; we've got more than enough |
| 04:47.58 | gravity | Cool |
| 04:48.05 | Azar | yeah it say 2006 I thought is a typo though: http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/projects/debian/dpl_debates/debate_rules_public.txt |
| 04:48.05 | haggz | gravity: You could actually use an adaptation of beryl technology to make a true "killer app" -- a network administration utility that let you see every machine on the network as a 'datacube' floating in space, with whatever it was serving displayed on the exterior. Just send xwindows information from each machine to a powerful central server that renders each one and then arranges them in a 'solar system' |
| 04:48.09 | gravity | heh, so I'm the only one who replied publicly |
| 04:48.26 | dondelelcaro | yeah, most people /msg'ed me |
| 04:48.28 | gravity | haggz: Go for it. It sounds cool. |
| 04:48.56 | dondelelcaro | Azar: could you tell me which article, though? I'd like to get it corrected before I have people bugging me about it |
| 04:49.17 | Guerin | haggz: you could call it xuniverse! |
| 04:49.29 | Azar | dondelelcaro: http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2007/02/msg00150.html |
| 04:50.07 | dondelelcaro | oh... the "are the rules that we used last year" was the key bit. ;-) |
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| 04:50.32 | claudio` | I've problem with gtk+2 (and glib?) during the iceweasel installation. This is the output: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5446 . Any idea on how to solve the problem? |
| 04:50.38 | gravity | We need to decide if we want to do it that way again. I remember it being disorganized at the organized parts :-) |
| 04:50.41 | Azar | dondelelcaro: in any how, if I can help with something just let me know .. |
| 04:50.49 | dondelelcaro | Azar: thanks |
| 04:51.04 | haggz | guerin: I actually want to write up a design model for it and just make it available, I think people working on cutting edge enterprise network management technologies might have a use for it. |
| 04:51.22 | dondelelcaro | Azar: will do; I think we may have enough people to help right now, but if we need more, I'll definetly ask. |
| 04:51.50 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah; I think I've kind of worked out those kinks... I'm going to have a mandatory practice session for the candidates because none of them took me up on it last time |
| 04:51.51 | Azar | cool, thanks. I imagined it should be people working on the Debian project |
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| 04:52.07 | dondelelcaro | well, i lie. aj did. |
| 04:52.10 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Heh, that might work out. I remember it was mainly confused candidates :-) |
| 04:52.34 | gravity | The rest worked out pretty well, even the degeneration in to complete chaos. |
| 04:53.23 | Azar | if they are too many (candidates) you might schedule like 4 at a time then pick the winners and make a final debate |
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| 04:53.57 | gravity | It's not really the kind of debate that has winners and losers |
| 04:54.15 | Azar | gravity: it would help with chaos |
| 04:54.16 | dondelelcaro | yeah; it's really a "see how the candidates respond when they're not coached" thing |
| 04:54.37 | Guerin | Azar: it would be a serious hindrance to transparency and credibility |
| 04:54.39 | gravity | Azar: The chaos fits the project really well though, and it gives us a real view in to what the candidates are thinking |
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| 04:54.53 | gravity | Although, tbh, most of that came out on -vote over the previous few weeks |
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| 04:55.00 | gravity | O |
| 04:55.04 | dondelelcaro | yeah |
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| 04:55.24 | dondelelcaro | -vote is where most of the serious stuff happens; the debate is (unfortunatly) a bit too strapped for time to be seriuosly into the content |
| 04:55.26 | gravity | It's going to be insane this year. Tons of candidates and fresh controversy. |
| 04:55.37 | gravity | Right, the debate is fun though, so it's worth doing |
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| 04:55.53 | Azar | Id pay to hire Simon to be one of the judges |
| 04:56.01 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I know what module is being used by a program? |
| 04:56.11 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: what type of module? |
| 04:56.40 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro: vmware module |
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| 04:56.50 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro: vmnet.o to be particular. |
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| 04:57.54 | graytron | dondelelcaro: hmm, may i comment on your debate_rules_public.txt... if i'm not mistaken irc.debian.org is on OFTC network, not freenode? |
| 04:58.02 | dondelelcaro | graytron: that's from last year |
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| 04:58.15 | graytron | dondelelcaro: ehh *embarrassment* |
| 04:58.28 | dondelelcaro | graytron: the main thing there is the actual debate format, really |
| 04:58.37 | graytron | there are dates yeah |
| 04:58.56 | dondelelcaro | (that's the bit that needs critiquing; the dates/times/places and other administrivia are subject to change) |
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| 05:01.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:01.27 | Azar | Guerin are you one of them? |
| 05:01.41 | liable | god help us |
| 05:01.45 | Azar | :P |
| 05:02.17 | haggz | gravity: There's an excellent case study of how compositing technologies relate to CPU load starting at http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/13 |
| 05:02.31 | Guerin | Azar: fuck no |
| 05:02.33 | Azar | I would not be surprised to see Guerin among the candidates: he has what it takes: a wife. Remember Debian name comes from Debra+Ian |
| 05:02.50 | Azar | Guerin: what is your wife name? |
| 05:03.26 | Guerin | Azar: you won't believe this, but - Debora |
| 05:03.38 | Guerin | commonly known as Deb |
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| 05:03.53 | Azar | Debian could become say...Debrin |
| 05:03.58 | hatter | where do i go to notify of bugs in the d-i |
| 05:04.20 | dondelelcaro | hatter: http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer; if it's not there, use reportbug. |
| 05:04.20 | hatter | (bug) that is |
| 05:04.23 | Guerin | hatter: use reportbug |
| 05:04.52 | graytron | will reportbug work in etch? |
| 05:04.55 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 05:04.57 | Guerin | graytron: yes. |
| 05:05.23 | graytron | great :) and querybts? |
| 05:05.41 | Guerin | graytron: why would it not? |
| 05:05.54 | Azar | stoned is not over yet: Dell slaps Rollins with $5m in the face... |
| 05:05.55 | graytron | Guerin: because they don't work in sarge |
| 05:06.02 | Guerin | graytron: yes, they do. |
| 05:06.16 | Guerin | well, reportbug does |
| 05:06.22 | Guerin | i've never used querybts |
| 05:06.29 | liable | henry rollins? |
| 05:07.02 | hatter | damn. painful to write bug out. |
| 05:07.15 | graytron | Guerin: ok maybe its just querybts |
| 05:07.32 | Azar | liable: I guess henry is his first name |
| 05:07.58 | Azar | nay Kevin Rollins |
| 05:08.24 | claudio` | 'night |
| 05:08.41 | graytron | Guerin: its just that "--query-bts" is the default in reportbug and it bugs when it calls querybts |
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| 05:08.49 | Azar | liable: who was that guy? |
| 05:09.11 | krenin | /topi |
| 05:09.13 | krenin | oops |
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| 05:09.58 | Azar | hatter: since I do not have a working mta, I used my trivial webmail and reported my bug from there |
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| 05:10.31 | liable | Azar: google him, hes a pretty old hard core rocker |
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| 05:10.54 | hatter | azar: it was a laziness complaint. trying to remember and verbalise what the issue was. |
| 05:10.59 | Azar | ahhhhhhhhh ! me slaps forehead, ofcourse henry rollins! :) |
| 05:11.06 | dondelelcaro | Azar: you don't even need a working MTA; reportbug can connect directly to bugs.debian.org |
| 05:11.14 | graytron | the rollins stones henry rollins? |
| 05:11.17 | hatter | Henry Rollins: also typecast as muscle goon |
| 05:11.31 | hatter | report bug is a package ? |
| 05:11.35 | Azar | dondelelcaro: I tried and it really did not worked, or maybe worked but I would not have a clue if they got it |
| 05:11.53 | graytron | hatter: reportbug yeah |
| 05:12.00 | Azar | by using a webmail I got feedback and help |
| 05:12.06 | dondelelcaro | Azar: if it doesn't work, it's usually because you're behind an ISP that blocks 25; in which case you use your ISPs MTA. |
| 05:12.32 | Azar | dondelelcaro: that is the correct assumption: I asked my ISP to block 25 |
| 05:12.36 | hatter | which is what Australias 3 bigggest do |
| 05:12.49 | graytron | hatter: the querybts in Sarge doesn't always (ever?) work though, i suppose because the bug tracking system evolves and querybts isn't up-to-date |
| 05:13.10 | dondelelcaro | it's quite possibly because I've no idea if anyone actually uses querybts |
| 05:13.27 | dondelelcaro | (or at least, no bugs against it have ever ended up where I've seen them) |
| 05:13.43 | graytron | dondelelcaro: i'd like to check bugs before reporting and querybts seems like a cool util for that :) |
| 05:13.44 | hatter | http://bugs.debian.org/debian-installer; this says its for the unstable installer |
| 05:14.01 | hatter | oops |
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| 05:14.16 | dondelelcaro | graytron: the best is to just use the BTS web pages themselves. |
| 05:14.16 | hatter | dont know how i got to unstable, now changed ot testing |
| 05:14.17 | graytron | dondelelcaro: probably no bugs reported because its "documented" somewhere that querybts may not work in stable |
| 05:14.34 | graytron | dondelelcaro: unfortunately :/ |
| 05:14.37 | Azar | so hatter now that you managed to awake my curiosity: what was about laziness? what complaint? |
| 05:14.59 | dondelelcaro | hatter: it just reports bugs that are against the version of debian-installer which is in unstable; you can ignore that bit. |
| 05:16.30 | pinx | while running vlc I get lines of errors like this -- Gdk-CRITICAL **: file gdkdraw.c: line 90 (gdk_draw_rectangle): assertion `gc != NULL' failed. Anyone able to help me fix this? |
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| 05:17.48 | Azar | Mr Steve McIntyre gives us some pieces of news: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2174 |
| 05:17.50 | stoned | Azar: hello! |
| 05:17.57 | hatter | azar: my laziness, my complaint about writing a bug report and trying to verbalise it |
| 05:17.58 | Azar | stoned!! :) |
| 05:18.02 | stoned | check your msg |
| 05:18.34 | Azar | I did and I get strange messages from freenode |
| 05:18.38 | Azar | you did not see my replies? |
| 05:18.42 | stoned | nothing |
| 05:18.46 | stoned | you have identified? |
| 05:18.49 | Azar | damn I am registered and IDed |
| 05:18.51 | Azar | sure |
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| 05:19.00 | Azar | let me try ID again? |
| 05:19.12 | stoned | I think I'm moving to Topeka |
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| 05:19.21 | stoned | KS |
| 05:19.37 | Azar | damn.... you know when the date changed last night I did not know I have to ID again |
| 05:19.48 | concept10 | stoned, what happened to you earlier? |
| 05:19.59 | stoned | concept10: I have no idea |
| 05:20.06 | stoned | what happened to me? |
| 05:20.42 | concept10 | stoned, I was asking you questions, got no response for about 15 mins , so I bounced |
| 05:20.50 | stoned | concept10: when? |
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| 05:21.18 | concept10 | stoned, earlier, when we were in ##recording |
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| 05:21.28 | stoned | oh |
| 05:21.42 | stoned | I started playing guitar and I forgot about computer |
| 05:21.49 | stoned | sorry |
| 05:22.22 | graytron | guitar: A GTK+ archive extraction/viewing tool |
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| 05:23.17 | concept10 | The four characters "GTK+" is starting to make me sick |
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| 05:24.54 | Overand | how can I use imagemagick (convert) to scale a whole directory of jpegs? convert -scale 50% *.jpg lowrez/ isn't doing it |
| 05:25.08 | Twistedemo | Question... I just connected my mac mini to my TV.. and the resolution is messed up... and the whole terminal doesnt fit on the TV.. aka I am missing like 2 lines of text on the top of the screen and like 5 on the bottom |
| 05:25.11 | concept10 | im trying to develop a GTK+ app and the amount of layers of APIs and libraries that make up this toolkit is astonishing |
| 05:25.36 | Overand | eh gotta run anyway |
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| 05:26.01 | Azar | Twistedemo: what has that to do with the Debian-linux ? |
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| 05:28.32 | Twistedemo | Azar: How do I fix it? |
| 05:28.34 | cwheeler | I can't find the net install images for etch |
| 05:28.44 | Twistedemo | ...? |
| 05:29.00 | jetscreamer | internet seems to have a lot more latency since this last update of yesterday, sid... thoughts, clues? |
| 05:29.00 | liable | !d-i |
| 05:29.00 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 05:29.01 | Twistedemo | My mac mini has debian installed on it.. that was.. implied. |
| 05:29.22 | liable | teh pipes are full!! |
| 05:29.22 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 05:29.34 | Azar | Twistedemo: fix what? |
| 05:29.50 | cwheeler | is there a url for the development page? |
| 05:29.59 | Twistedemo | Azar: the resolution? |
| 05:30.07 | cwheeler | i found cd images but no net install |
| 05:30.10 | Azar | Twistedemo: what operating system are you using? |
| 05:30.33 | Twistedemo | Azar: ...debian? That's why I am here.. |
| 05:30.52 | Azar | is Debian using "mac mini" ? never heard of that |
| 05:31.11 | Twistedemo | What the funk are you talking about? |
| 05:31.28 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.33 | Twistedemo | Right... |
| 05:31.40 | haggz | azar: its either PPC or x86 architecture depending on when it was made, so it can run Debian |
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| 05:32.20 | Twistedemo | Debian has like 6 different architectures that it supports... PPC is one of them.. aka Mac |
| 05:32.22 | Azar | hggh: ahhhh sorry Twistedemo |
| 05:32.29 | Twistedemo | :D all good |
| 05:32.36 | Twistedemo | I was just.. confused. |
| 05:32.43 | Azar | me too :) |
| 05:32.58 | Azar | Twistedemo: are you using.... Sarge? |
| 05:33.19 | Twistedemo | etch |
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| 05:34.03 | Twistedemo | I'd managed to change resolutions on Xserver... that looks fine.. I just dont know how to change resolutions in bash/console |
| 05:34.09 | Twistedemo | *I've |
| 05:34.18 | numist | hrm... |
| 05:34.42 | Azar | !drxx |
| 05:34.42 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 05:34.48 | Azar | Twistedemo: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 05:34.51 | numist | so.. I'd like to build a system that runs in ram out of a squash or cramfs, does anyone have any information on doing this? |
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| 05:35.25 | Twistedemo | Azar: Thats Xserver dude.. that already works.. I need to change it outside of the gui |
| 05:35.53 | Azar | Twistedemo: ah the TV ofcourse... hmmmm dunno ? |
| 05:35.57 | Azar | wait |
| 05:36.10 | Azar | did you told your configuration that you use an LCD or a CRT? |
| 05:36.25 | haggz | twistedemo: hmm I think you need /etc/console-tools/config changes perhaps? |
| 05:36.58 | Guerin | Twistedemo: use svgatextmode or pass a vga= option to grub |
| 05:37.03 | Twistedemo | haggz, is that were the console resolution settings are kept? |
| 05:37.16 | Guerin | Twistedemo: 792 is 1024x768x24, for instance |
| 05:37.19 | Twistedemo | Ohhh... vga = makes sense. |
| 05:37.28 | Azar | yeee!! Guerin you are great! |
| 05:37.33 | Twistedemo | yeah I knew that :D |
| 05:37.44 | Twistedemo | Guerin, thank you kind sir :D |
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| 05:38.20 | Guerin | fucking fucker with my $5.50 router - hurry up ane email me! |
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| 05:38.37 | simonrvn | Guerin: what router is it? |
| 05:38.50 | Guerin | i go to all the trouble of buying his poxy p2-266 at auction and he doesn't email my arse so I can puck it up |
| 05:38.59 | simonrvn | oh hehe |
| 05:39.06 | Guerin | simonrvn: just a beige DEC box upon which I'll install obsd |
| 05:39.12 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 05:39.20 | ldexter | GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 05:39.40 | ldexter | service provider is upgrading their IOS routers but failed to notify meeeeeee |
| 05:39.48 | ldexter | i can't evne type |
| 05:39.52 | Guerin | ldexter: sue them |
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| 05:40.02 | Guerin | for loss of irc time |
| 05:40.06 | ldexter | service provider is upgrading IOS on their border routers but failed to notify meeeeeee |
| 05:40.11 | ldexter | sleep time* |
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| 05:40.32 | ldexter | gahhhh.. wrong channel |
| 05:40.37 | ldexter | good night! |
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| 05:41.15 | numist | dondelelcaro: I recall from your talk you mentioned live-package.. who should I ask about it? |
| 05:41.45 | Guerin | numist: numa-numa-ist? |
| 05:41.59 | numist | Guerin: er... close? |
| 05:42.05 | numist | dragostea din tea? |
| 05:42.18 | Guerin | when I was in china that tune was all the rage ... there was no escape |
| 05:42.27 | numist | oh no |
| 05:42.32 | numist | when were you in china? |
| 05:42.49 | Guerin | numist: feb/mar 2006 |
| 05:43.01 | numist | cool |
| 05:43.20 | Guerin | on my World Tour which only lasted 4 months due to a motorbike accident |
| 05:44.40 | Guerin | it was that and crazy frog for months |
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| 05:46.07 | K|NgGh0sT | Just wondering, I noticed my computer never uses the swap partition... anyreason why? |
| 05:46.17 | Guerin | K|NgGh0sT: because it doesn't need to, maybe? |
| 05:46.19 | Azar | numist what was that? |
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| 05:47.31 | Redhatter | K|NgGh0sT, Linux considers unused memory, wasted memory... thus only uses swap if it absolutely *must*. |
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| 05:47.58 | dondelelcaro | numist: you can ask anyone |
| 05:48.24 | K|NgGh0sT | I mean, its never accessed it, even when handling a huge load, and large files |
| 05:48.30 | K|NgGh0sT | Did I set it up wrong? |
| 05:48.40 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: do you see it listed in /proc/swaps? |
| 05:49.10 | K|NgGh0sT | no |
| 05:49.17 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: then you don't have it set up. |
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| 05:49.29 | numist | dondelelcaro: well, pretty certain no one active in here now has used it |
| 05:49.30 | Redhatter | K|NgGh0sT, as root: swapon /dev/<foo> |
| 05:49.43 | dondelelcaro | numist: I have, actually. |
| 05:49.44 | Redhatter | Then add the appropriate line to /etc/fstab to make it permenant. |
| 05:49.47 | K|NgGh0sT | whats the syntax to see all the partitions |
| 05:50.03 | Guerin | fdisk -l |
| 05:50.24 | numist | dondelelcaro: well you weren't active :P |
| 05:50.32 | pinx | K|NgGh0sT: look in /etc/mtab to see what's mounted |
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| 05:50.59 | numist | dondelelcaro: can you insert your own configurations, and install the image to an IDE drive (like, a CF card)? |
| 05:51.15 | raf256 | !bitchslap qemu and/or debian installer |
| 05:51.35 | dondelelcaro | numist: I assume so; it's set up to work with usb keys too |
| 05:51.39 | K|NgGh0sT | pinx, I dont see it in there |
| 05:51.57 | K|NgGh0sT | But fstab has this.. /dev/sda2 none swap sw 0 0 |
| 05:52.40 | pinx | K|NgGh0sT: is /dev/sda2 your swap partition? |
| 05:52.40 | numist | dondelelcaro: well, I saw on the page something along the lines of 'only unchanged, official packages' 'no configuration of the live system'.. actually everything on debian-live.alioth.debian.org looked rather depressing for a router that runs entirely in RAM |
| 05:52.49 | numist | dondelelcaro: well, I'm not certain that live-package is what I want |
| 05:52.54 | tenzin_ | hi .. i have debian etch textonly on a powerbook g3, i installed xfce4 and now when i do startx the screen just hangs ... please help |
| 05:52.55 | K|NgGh0sT | pinx, yes |
| 05:54.03 | K|NgGh0sT | /dev/sda2 3040 3288 2000092+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 05:54.03 | dondelelcaro | numist: oh; for that it may not be the best bet... but panthera (Daniel Baumann) on OFTC is probably the best person to ask... or you could e-mail him. |
| 05:54.04 | numist | email might be best, I'm about to put milami to bed |
| 05:54.04 | numist | I'll get his email from him on oftc |
| 05:54.04 | pinx | K|NgGh0sT: (18:48:45) Redhatter: K|NgGh0sT, as root: swapon /dev/<foo> |
| 05:54.10 | K|NgGh0sT | I did that, said it was already on |
| 05:54.15 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: and have you mkswap'ed it? and swapon'ed it? |
| 05:54.18 | numist | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 05:54.25 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: then it should show up in /proc/swaps. |
| 05:54.45 | dondelelcaro | it may not get used; that's really up to the kernel memory manager. |
| 05:54.46 | K|NgGh0sT | Ya, its there |
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| 05:55.00 | K|NgGh0sT | Mighta been there before, forgot that sda2 was the swap |
| 05:55.18 | K|NgGh0sT | Cause my ram is always at max usage, and swap never gets used |
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| 05:55.28 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: your ram should always be at the maximum usage3 |
| 05:55.39 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: run 'free;' and see what the second line says. |
| 05:55.52 | dondelelcaro | -/+ buffers/cache: 751680 281988 <-- this one. |
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| 05:56.43 | K|NgGh0sT | -/+ buffers/cache: 506480 530164 |
| 05:56.58 | dondelelcaro | K|NgGh0sT: so you have 530M trivially freeable. |
| 05:57.28 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm, weird |
| 05:58.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks everyone |
| 05:58.11 | haggz | kinghost: swap not being used is good, it means that you have enough ram. In fact, when people have system performance issues "increase RAM until swap is no longer being used" is often the best fix. |
| 05:59.34 | K|NgGh0sT | Was just confused, cause Mythtv chugs a lot |
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| 06:00.18 | Guerin | mythtv does |
| 06:00.30 | niru | how can I check which service is using which port |
| 06:00.32 | Guerin | since it's constantly reading and writing to/from disk |
| 06:00.38 | niru | any command in debian |
| 06:00.41 | Guerin | niru: netstat -punta |
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| 06:01.06 | Azar | hahahaha oh my nice welcome did mr Debian had: http://www.flickr.com/photos/imurdock/397267499/ |
| 06:02.34 | unlink | why is it that sometimes it takes 15 seconds to spawn an xterm when the load average is 0 and the system is otherwise responsive? |
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| 06:05.35 | niru | Guerin:it is not showning the port |
| 06:06.11 | Gokee2 | How can I have module-assistant fetch what it needs for the new kernal modules (at least ndiswrapper) before booting into the new kernel? |
| 06:08.47 | witless | what does [security] next to a package name mean? |
| 06:09.19 | lowlevel | 1am |
| 06:09.25 | lowlevel | woops, sorry. |
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| 06:11.54 | niru | which package is for removable media and drives |
| 06:12.06 | Azar | hey this is soo neat! Vim's Feature of the Day #2: Context-Aware Completion for XML |
| 06:12.14 | holycow | guys ... what is the math for converting blocks to sectors? |
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| 06:12.26 | Azar | http://www.bononia.it/~zack/blog//posts/2007/02/dtd2vim.html |
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| 06:13.47 | roger21 | ÷ |
| 06:15.06 | mazzanet | hokay |
| 06:15.16 | mazzanet | so i just raid1ed up my /boot partition |
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| 06:15.46 | mazzanet | i'm figuring i'll need to tell grub where /boot is? |
| 06:17.06 | Guerin | mazzanet: you lose |
| 06:17.21 | Guerin | mazzanet: tell it where one of them is |
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| 06:18.42 | mazzanet | erm |
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| 06:19.11 | mazzanet | oh yeah because the kernel will then bring up the arrays |
| 06:19.23 | Guerin | right |
| 06:19.31 | Guerin | raiding /boot is pointless |
| 06:19.49 | liable | hrm, i have a fingerprint reader on my laptop, i wonder if i can get it to authenticate with my server over ssh.. |
| 06:19.57 | Azar | hey this is cool: signing-party: http://debaday.debian.net/2007/02/18/signing-party-complete-toolkit-for-efficient-key-signing/ < do we have that on Sarge repos? |
| 06:20.22 | mazzanet | Guerin: i thought that too but many of the raid1 guides around do it so *shrug* |
| 06:20.25 | Guerin | liable: hm, funky. I dunno. |
| 06:20.40 | liable | Guerin: if you mirror your system, and dont have /boot on it, how do you boot from it when the disk with /boot fails? |
| 06:20.47 | Guerin | Azar: 2007/02/18 -> no |
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| 06:20.56 | Guerin | haha |
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| 06:21.18 | Guerin | liable: sure, the point being that you don't get any live benefit from raiding it |
| 06:21.29 | Guerin | but of course it does mean you can swap out |
| 06:22.35 | Azar | gpg-key2ps and gpg-mailkeys are included in Debian woody and sarge. caff, pgp-clean, gpglist and gpgsigs are added as of etch (and sid). |
| 06:23.05 | Azar | so etch will have the full package |
| 06:23.25 | litage | in which file should i put "options usbhid pb_fnmode=2"? |
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| 06:24.43 | liable | firefox the retard is showing a favicon for my bank for another site in my bookmarks.. |
| 06:26.01 | Coweater | clear cache usually fixes junk like that, i've had it show images in pages from other sites |
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| 06:27.06 | Guerin | liable: that's a module-loading option? |
| 06:27.37 | liable | Guerin: eh? i dunny understand |
| 06:27.42 | Gokee2 | How can I have module-assistant fetch what it needs for the new kernal modules (at least ndiswrapper) before booting into the new kernel? |
| 06:28.27 | liable | Gokee2: a new kernel doesnt neccesarily mean new module-source is required |
| 06:28.36 | liable | just rebuild the modules |
| 06:29.14 | raf256 | anyone uses kqemu on debian? |
| 06:29.41 | Guerin | liable: i mean, a module you want to apply to usbhid? |
| 06:29.52 | Guerin | !anyone use kqemu on debian? |
| 06:29.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses kqemu on debian, not even the people who use it. |
| 06:30.18 | liable | Guerin: wrong person? |
| 06:30.27 | liable | raf256: did once upon a time |
| 06:30.40 | raf256 | liable: is it stable? how big speed gain? |
| 06:31.03 | Gokee2 | liable, I booted into the new kernal and m-a needed more source stuff |
| 06:31.07 | liable | i changed my keyboard settings in gnometard, and now the fucker isnt running xmodmap at login. |
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| 06:31.29 | liable | raf256: speed gain is worth it, for sure |
| 06:31.37 | liable | raf256: its oss now i believe |
| 06:31.38 | Gokee2 | And my internet does not work with the new kernel without the ndiswrapper module |
| 06:31.49 | raf256 | I am using qemu as a sandbox.. is kqemu secure? |
| 06:31.52 | hark | Gokee2: headers probably |
| 06:31.55 | Gokee2 | Which needs the internet to install.... |
| 06:32.18 | Gokee2 | hark, So can I make m-a fetch them? |
| 06:32.19 | liable | Gokee2: ah, kernel-headers for the new kernel? |
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| 06:32.28 | signuts_ | Hey all |
| 06:32.29 | liable | Gokee2: just boot into the old kernel.. |
| 06:32.37 | Gokee2 | liable, I am in the old kernel now |
| 06:32.46 | signuts_ | Where do I get a sources.lst, when I installed I didn't have network access |
| 06:33.15 | liable | Gokee2: so get your headers and compile away |
| 06:33.17 | hark | signuts_: sarge or etch? |
| 06:33.24 | signuts_ | etch |
| 06:33.46 | liable | i dont understand the logic of removing apt-setup |
| 06:34.06 | Guerin | signuts_: apt-spy |
| 06:34.08 | Gokee2 | liable, I don`t think it will compile untill I am in the new kernal? At least I can`t make it. What are the headers named? |
| 06:34.09 | hark | signuts_: look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ and/or /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 06:34.20 | hark | apt-spy or netselect-apt |
| 06:34.31 | signuts_ | ahh |
| 06:34.34 | hark | or |
| 06:34.41 | hark | !sources.list |
| 06:34.41 | dpkg | i heard sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 06:34.46 | liable | Gokee2: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 06:34.52 | hark | ^ replace sarge with etch |
| 06:34.59 | Azar | Guerin: how is correct to say: javascript programmer or javascript scripter ? |
| 06:35.06 | hark | signuts_: and /msg dpkg etch security |
| 06:35.18 | Guerin | Azar: i don't know. |
| 06:35.19 | liable | Gokee2: it wont build without being in the new kernel, no. |
| 06:35.30 | Gokee2 | liable, uname -r gives the kernel I am in right now? How would I find out the kernel I just installed? |
| 06:35.31 | Azar | ah damn, hey thanks anyways |
| 06:35.44 | hark | scripter is not a word, i think.. |
| 06:35.47 | pinx | Azar: javascript programmer -- it flows better |
| 06:35.52 | liable | Gokee2: doh, look in /boot |
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| 06:36.06 | Azar | pinx: I was in doubt since javascript is not a programming language |
| 06:36.07 | Gokee2 | liable, Ah ok |
| 06:36.22 | Azar | so sounds nice but is a lie I guess |
| 06:36.32 | pinx | Azar: ok -- javascript writer then |
| 06:36.40 | Azar | :) cool thanks |
| 06:36.58 | liable | Gokee2: s/vmlinuz/linux-headers/ |
| 06:37.35 | Gokee2 | liable, Ok I have the headers, is that everything I will need? |
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| 06:37.55 | liable | Gokee2: should be. |
| 06:38.07 | Gokee2 | ok I will reboot and find out :) |
| 06:38.25 | liable | gl |
| 06:38.31 | Gokee2 | ty |
| 06:38.57 | Gokee2 | mount.... FAILED. Where is the boot log kept? |
| 06:39.10 | Gokee2 | I did not have time to read what mount failed |
| 06:39.32 | hark | !bootlog |
| 06:39.33 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 06:40.44 | Gokee2 | crap it wants linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 I installed linux-headers-2.6.18-3 and it also wants linux-kbuild-2.6.18 |
| 06:41.00 | Gokee2 | hark, ty |
| 06:41.32 | liable | i prefer to ^s ^q during boot than bootlogd, but you gotta be quick.. |
| 06:41.46 | Gokee2 | ^s ^q? |
| 06:42.00 | hark | ctrl |
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| 06:42.19 | Gokee2 | ctr+s and ctr+q stop the boot or? |
| 06:42.25 | liable | stops the boot sequence then restarts it |
| 06:42.26 | hark | Gokee2: apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-686 would have pulled it all in |
| 06:42.45 | liable | you can then scroll |
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| 06:43.09 | cryosphere | the only reason I'm asking this question here is because everyone in the chatroom for my distro (ubuntu) is too much of a wuss to try to help me |
| 06:43.23 | Gokee2 | ya I forgot the -686 its installing now |
| 06:43.35 | muhoo | i am screwed. i have to browse windoze-style RTF-format help files from debian. what tool can do that? |
| 06:43.36 | hark | cryosphere: tough luck... |
| 06:43.38 | Guerin | cryosphere: we will gladly help you install debian |
| 06:43.55 | liable | muhoo: oo does rtf |
| 06:44.00 | cryosphere | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.02 | Gokee2 | so I hit ctr+s and look then ctr+q to boot again? |
| 06:44.05 | muhoo | liable: for browsing? |
| 06:44.15 | cryosphere | I diffed the syslog for a successfull boot seq and failure, if you want to help please see http://www.pastebin.ca/365779 |
| 06:44.24 | liable | muhoo: browsing, like intarweb? |
| 06:44.26 | muhoo | oo doesn't "do" rtf, it will convert from it to its native format. |
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| 06:44.33 | muhoo | liable: you betcha |
| 06:44.45 | Guerin | cryosphere: anything which isn't reliable is a sign of possible hardware failure |
| 06:44.56 | muhoo | that's the way windoze help system work, apparently. they use rtf files which have hyperlinks embedded |
| 06:45.06 | cryosphere | well, right because I'm not doing ANYTHING between rebooting |
| 06:45.13 | hark | muhoo: nope, but there's always abiword, kword etc. apt-cache search rtf |
| 06:45.14 | muhoo | i have to browse around in that muck. |
| 06:45.17 | liable | muhoo: do/read/you can look at/works/is usable/whatever/ |
| 06:45.19 | Gokee2 | ah a mount problem with hdc |
| 06:46.02 | cryosphere | AND i'm getting some "unrecognize memory module . . stabily may be effected . . press esc to continue" biznez before I get to the grub menu |
| 06:46.10 | cryosphere | *stability |
| 06:46.12 | muhoo | abiword/kword just open the file and convert it |
| 06:46.13 | liable | cryosphere: install debian on your crappy hardware, and *then* we can tell you that you have shit hardware :P |
| 06:46.16 | Guerin | cryosphere: there's your problem |
| 06:46.19 | muhoo | i need to *browse* it. |
| 06:46.28 | Guerin | cryosphere: remove that stick o' ram and try again |
| 06:46.33 | muhoo | whole directories of it |
| 06:46.41 | muhoo | files each one screenful, basically |
| 06:46.42 | Guerin | muhoo: you have our condolences |
| 06:46.48 | hark | cryosphere: isn't the error obvious? |
| 06:46.48 | muhoo | :-( |
| 06:47.01 | Guerin | muhoo: convert them to plain text and cat them together |
| 06:47.04 | muhoo | i guess there's nothing available for linux that does this. aw rap. |
| 06:47.08 | cryosphere | Guerin: I was just hoping there is a way around it, since my windows boots everytime |
| 06:47.09 | hark | or unrtf them |
| 06:47.11 | Guerin | muhoo: chm? |
| 06:47.26 | muhoo | Guerin: supercollider |
| 06:47.26 | Guerin | cryosphere: windows is stupid |
| 06:47.26 | Gokee2 | What is "aw rap"? |
| 06:47.29 | cryosphere | its a dual-boot machine |
| 06:47.41 | Guerin | cryosphere: so use windows |
| 06:47.42 | muhoo | Gokee2: rap, crap without the c |
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| 06:48.18 | muhoo | heh. that quieted everyone down :-) |
| 06:48.22 | hark | muhoo: wait, it's not .rtf ? |
| 06:48.31 | cryosphere | Guerin: unfortunetly I'm addicted to using free software and having control over the freq avail to my CPU which is impossible with windows |
| 06:48.33 | muhoo | hark: the files are .rtf |
| 06:48.34 | liable | heh, i am on dialup atm, i wonder if i can get my old r40 to be a wireless dialup router |
| 06:48.40 | cryosphere | I guess I need some new memory |
| 06:48.47 | Guerin | cryosphere: yes. |
| 06:49.03 | Guerin | muhoo: convert to html |
| 06:49.15 | Guerin | liable: i bet you can |
| 06:49.20 | Gokee2 | GGGRRRRRR I now need ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 |
| 06:49.38 | hark | !info unrtf |
| 06:49.42 | muhoo | Guerin: any tool that'll convert whole hierarchal diretory trees from rtf to html, preserving the links? |
| 06:49.55 | liable | Guerin: me too, it has madwifi, which does ap mode, its just a matter of how lazy i am.. :P |
| 06:50.15 | dpkg | unrtf: (RTF to other formats converter), section text, is optional. Version: 0.19.3-1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 47 kB, Installed size: 260 kB |
| 06:50.29 | muhoo | /usr/share/SuperCollider/Help/crucial/Sample/ArrayBuffer.help.rtf stuff like that |
| 06:50.51 | muhoo | hmm... there's "helpdeco"... |
| 06:51.36 | muhoo | HAH! |
| 06:51.56 | muhoo | i'm riding around on an ox looking for an ox |
| 06:52.02 | muhoo | emacs can already read and decode them |
| 06:52.03 | muhoo | that rules |
| 06:52.14 | litage | is there a good guide on how to compile your own kernel in debian? |
| 06:52.26 | muhoo | it's part of the sclang package. ok, nevermind |
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| 06:53.28 | jetscreamer | lies |
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| 06:53.47 | liable | lies and scandals! |
| 06:53.48 | Guerin | emacs FTW |
| 06:53.53 | liable | ohnos |
| 06:53.56 | Gokee2 | Time for the 6th reboot. This is almost as bad as windows |
| 06:54.19 | liable | Gokee2: only when you dont know what your doing :P |
| 06:54.23 | jetscreamer | litage: basically, just start with a stock config and when you do make menuconfig, only de-select what you know for damn sure you don't need |
| 06:54.23 | Guerin | litage: install kernel-pacoage and /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 06:54.34 | Guerin | litage: package, obviously |
| 06:54.34 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 06:54.39 | holycow | okay does anyone know how to compute block size to mb by chance? |
| 06:54.48 | litage | thanks Guerin |
| 06:54.51 | Gokee2 | liable, I should know after installing 10+ kernels :/ |
| 06:55.01 | Guerin | holycow: you want to know your block size? normally 512k |
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| 06:55.13 | liable | litage: google 'very verbose kernel compile' its way old now, but has some good basic pointers |
| 06:55.18 | Gokee2 | I don`t do it often enough :/ |
| 06:55.19 | holycow | guering ah okay. |
| 06:55.26 | jetscreamer | beer 5... or is it 6... note that i might drink once every few months... |
| 06:55.35 | litage | thanks guys |
| 06:55.36 | liable | litage: prolly better ones out there, but i havent bothered looking for a hile |
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| 06:55.47 | Guerin | jetscreamer: good thing a computer isn't `heavy machinery' |
| 06:55.50 | jetscreamer | i've killed a few ppl since beer #2 |
| 06:56.00 | jetscreamer | virtually |
| 06:56.10 | Guerin | he hastens to add |
| 06:56.13 | holycow | and 1024k are in one mb right? |
| 06:56.22 | Guerin | holycow: 1 |
| 06:56.26 | liable | beer #3 here, and i think i might just have to get shitfaced today :) |
| 06:56.27 | jetscreamer | yes 1024 is a true mb |
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| 06:56.40 | holycow | okay |
| 06:56.42 | jetscreamer | 1000 is the sales method |
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| 06:57.35 | Gokee2 | yay I have net in my new kernel |
| 06:57.38 | Gokee2 | kernal |
| 06:57.48 | liable | !kernal |
| 06:57.48 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 06:57.49 | jetscreamer | it's DEPRESSING not being able to buy yourself a new computer after you cash a large check dammit! |
| 06:58.02 | liable | sell the wife |
| 06:58.02 | jetscreamer | s/able/able to afford/ |
| 06:58.35 | jetscreamer | she's a rarity, not_to_be_sold |
| 06:58.38 | litage | if i follow the "kp mantra", will that apply the Debian patches automatically? |
| 06:58.50 | jetscreamer | litage: debian sources have the patches |
| 06:58.59 | liable | go vanilla |
| 06:59.03 | jetscreamer | if you d/l a kernel from kernel.org... |
| 06:59.03 | litage | liable: why's that? |
| 06:59.09 | jetscreamer | aka vanilla |
| 06:59.10 | liable | arent the patches pretty make just cramfs? |
| 06:59.25 | jetscreamer | grow the thought |
| 06:59.47 | litage | liable: i'm compiling a kernel for Etch on my MacBook Pro. should i use the Debian patches in addition to the mactel-linux patches, or just the mactel-linux patches? |
| 06:59.53 | cast | hey all. i don't quite understand why chroot is so widely suggested when root can break out. that makes it useless for trying to restrict apps needing root to run, and as far as apps that dont, they're not root so they can't really mess up your system as that user should only have permissions to do very little...unless a priv. elevation exploit is used to get root, in whice case chroot or not the result is perhaps the same. or am i ... |
| 06:59.59 | cast | ... missing something? |
| 07:00.22 | liable | litage: i would just get vanilla source, patch whatever mac shit you need, then compile |
| 07:00.51 | litage | liable: why do recommend against using the Debian patches? |
| 07:01.09 | jetscreamer | ahhh this is #7 not 6 |
| 07:01.16 | jetscreamer | it feels like 7 |
| 07:01.58 | liable | litage: i dont, i just gave up on debian sources years ago when patches to the debian source would fail, never looked back.. |
| 07:02.22 | holycow | if i'm recreating a partition table on an hd where the data is safe ... what happens if the partition table isn't down to the EXACT sector? data loss or complete partition corruption? note: say with ext3 |
| 07:04.14 | holycow | well i guess we shall find out :) |
| 07:04.15 | holycow | heh |
| 07:04.17 | cast | holycow: well imagine you're missing the first few sectors of the file system, what do you think happens? |
| 07:04.31 | kintaro0e | hello everyone i need help,what is this error: Feb 21 15:00:18 shakey named[28374]: master/us.foo.com.external.zone:20: ignoring out-of-zone data (dns3.foo.com) |
| 07:04.42 | holycow | i am imagining complete partition destruction |
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| 07:06.55 | tarzeau | is there any way to find out by software if there is a floppy drive connected? |
| 07:07.14 | raf256 | holy shit, I dont have sound in flash movies. how to fix? |
| 07:07.15 | raf256 | on youtube |
| 07:07.27 | raf256 | perahsp I can download normal .mpeg and kaffeine play it? |
| 07:07.30 | tarzeau | raf256: non-free flash player? |
| 07:07.30 | raf256 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHO8l-Bd1O4 |
| 07:07.38 | raf256 | tarzeau: Im not shure, how to check? |
| 07:07.52 | tarzeau | raf256: in the browser try: about:plugins |
| 07:07.54 | Guerin | raf256: not from youtube - on gvid you can downlaod some clips |
| 07:08.05 | raf256 | !bitchslap youtube |
| 07:08.05 | Guerin | raf256: oh, sound |
| 07:08.23 | Guerin | raf256: it's because it monopolises the pcm |
| 07:08.27 | raf256 | tarzeau: Shockwave Flash 7.0 r68 File name: libflashplayer.so |
| 07:08.42 | Guerin | raf256: you need to make it use alsa, and kill anything else which wants the sound device |
| 07:08.44 | tarzeau | raf256: you could try version 9.0r31 |
| 07:08.53 | raf256 | tarzeau: in testing? just upgrade? |
| 07:09.18 | tarzeau | raf256: no idea, i've got sid. there's also one on backports.org |
| 07:09.18 | holycow | okay, let me turn this around |
| 07:09.40 | holycow | i have the EXACT #blocks of the hd with toasted partition table |
| 07:09.50 | holycow | i have done the calculations here: http://pastebin.ca/365806 |
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| 07:10.19 | holycow | provided i match up the EXACT cylinder counts i should be able to match the existing data structure the ext3 partitions are currently in right? |
| 07:10.22 | raf256 | tarzeau: what is the full name of that package |
| 07:10.58 | holycow | note: getting exactly cylinder counts setup via cfdisk seems fairly straight forward |
| 07:11.11 | tarzeau | raf256: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 07:13.12 | jetscreamer | raf256: also maybe the mozilla-vlc plugin |
| 07:13.17 | jetscreamer | and/or |
| 07:14.37 | raf256 | oh it works now |
| 07:14.41 | raf256 | just upgraded the free one |
| 07:18.47 | Gokee2 | gerber I got nvidia drivers installed per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers but the nvidia kernal mod is 1.0-8776 and nvidia-glx is 1.0-9625. What do I do to get a better nvidia-glx? I have never ran into this problem before |
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| 07:32.29 | GingerDog | hi; would the 2.6.19 kernel run fine on Sarge without me upgrading anything in userspace? |
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| 07:34.13 | cast | i guess that depends on what things you're doing in the userspace - grab a backports.org kernel though and it should be smoothish sailing |
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| 07:34.36 | GingerDog | hmm; hadn't thought of backports; thanks |
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| 07:35.20 | GutterPunk | Hi |
| 07:35.40 | GutterPunk | I just installed a system on a software raid 5. During installation grub installation fails |
| 07:35.56 | cast | does grub do raid5? |
| 07:36.15 | cast | i have a feeling that was a SoC project |
| 07:36.17 | GutterPunk | well I don't know... |
| 07:36.22 | d0ug | If i cant get onto root on my coloed box, apparently because someone rooted it (but did no apparent damage that I can see), do i have to either figure out how to hack back into my box or pay the isp $70 an hour do deal with it for me? |
| 07:36.55 | d0ug | ... from an aol host according to finger :( |
| 07:36.56 | d0ug | sigh |
| 07:37.06 | holycow | well wrote the partition table, and reinstalled grub |
| 07:37.15 | holycow | hopefully i won't haveto reboot for a while :) |
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| 07:37.31 | cast | d0ug: well it'll take sub 5 minutes to set a new passwd, but maybe they round up to the nearest hour |
| 07:37.35 | holycow | would anyon ehave experience with gpart? how long would that normall run on a 160 gig hd? |
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| 07:37.48 | stew | GutterPunk: you need a /boot that is not on raid for grub to load the initrd from |
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| 07:37.56 | stew | GutterPunk: or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 07:38.00 | Gokee2 | Why is the only nvidia-glx driver for xorg nvidia-glx-legacy? Why is nvidia-glx not for xorg? |
| 07:38.24 | cast | d0ug: check the kernel ver, then look for the latest priv. elevation exploit [uselib was the last i remember], but at any rate server needs an entire new install anyway |
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| 07:38.55 | GutterPunk | stew, can it be raid 1? or no raid whatsoever? |
| 07:39.45 | stew | GutterPunk: i'm not sure |
| 07:40.10 | GutterPunk | stew, well I'll try again and let you know :) |
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| 07:40.28 | d0ug | damnit i've got years worth of crap scattered around this box.. oh well, you're right |
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| 07:41.53 | cast | d0ug: well backitup and reinstall. and keep note of everything you have installed now, and maybe check around for security issues till you find out what it probably was. otherwise the guy will just root you again next week |
| 07:42.57 | hatter | roots .bash_history won't get update until the root user logs out, is that right ? |
| 07:43.10 | d0ug | well a lot of the stuff i want to get can be read by root only... think i'll have to suck it up and pay the cash for the isp to go in with a boot disk |
| 07:43.28 | cast | hatter: not really. depends on the settings. i think that might be the defaults in debian though, not sure |
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| 07:43.54 | d0ug | maybe i changed my pw when i was drunk on klonopin and forgot |
| 07:45.06 | cast | d0ug: you don't happen to have put a key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys do you? |
| 07:45.37 | d0ug | Well, ... did mess with ssh, but i can't su |
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| 07:46.57 | d0ug | didn't tweak a file like that directly though |
| 07:47.06 | haggz | d0ug: you just inspired me to write a short piece of fiction written from the point of a sysadmin with multiple personalities frantically trying to protect his box against himself |
| 07:47.09 | hatter | does the bash history, i.e. when you push the up arrow key to see previous commands, go around in circles ? |
| 07:47.24 | cast | anything useful to your cause listed in /etc/sudoers? |
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| 07:48.11 | d0ug | lol haggz |
| 07:48.19 | haggz | "The strange case of Sysadmin Jekyll and Cracker Hyde" |
| 07:49.20 | d0ug | cast: well, can't even read sudoers as nonroot, didn't mess with anything of significance since i last could log in, and finger suggests that someone got in as root from aol |
| 07:49.27 | d0ug | which is embarrassing |
| 07:49.54 | hatter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:50.12 | Guerin | hatter: ssh! |
| 07:50.13 | haggz | d0ug: probably got in as root from an aol box they had cracked and were already using remotely |
| 07:50.28 | cast | d0ug: obviously can't read sudoers but i was thinking maybe yo uremember ;) |
| 07:50.57 | cast | d0ug: like it might be common to have apt-get or dpkg in sudoers, then one could make a special pkg with a post install script that'll reset your root pass perhaps |
| 07:51.18 | d0ug | maybe i need to apt update/upgrade more than once a year or make root's password not an asdf kinda thing |
| 07:51.23 | Guerin | cast: i don't think that can be scripted |
| 07:51.42 | Guerin | though it could just run john, or zero out the field in shadow |
| 07:51.47 | Guerin | i mean |
| 07:51.52 | cast | could you drop your public key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys then? |
| 07:51.52 | GutterPunk | stew, are you sure that only the boot partition can't be raid? |
| 07:51.55 | Guerin | there's many ways to skin that particular cat |
| 07:52.24 | sep | GutterPunk, i have /boot as a raid1 partition, |
| 07:52.26 | GutterPunk | stew, because it takes some time to install this stuff :) I'm assuming the / partition can be raid? |
| 07:52.38 | d0ug | cast: permission denied |
| 07:52.43 | GutterPunk | sep, and that's working ok? You configured it that way during installation? |
| 07:52.49 | sep | but you must use lilo insteda of grub, since grub dont like raid1 much (atlest traditionally) |
| 07:53.13 | holycow | actually grub works with raid1 just fine |
| 07:53.16 | hatter | grub works with raid |
| 07:53.18 | holycow | as long as its on the bootsector |
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| 07:53.26 | sep | GutterPunk, when i installed, raid was not an option. |
| 07:53.30 | holycow | iirc |
| 07:53.33 | sep | GutterPunk, i haev done that later |
| 07:53.35 | GutterPunk | sep, Alright, please stick around :) I might need your help... |
| 07:53.39 | holycow | sep, *nod* yeah it does now |
| 07:53.58 | sep | holycow, nice :) |
| 07:54.11 | GutterPunk | sep, well, if I create four partitions of the same size for boot now, all ext3, it's perfectly possible to configure them as raid later? |
| 07:54.18 | sep | holycow, time to replace lilo for grub here too then |
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| 07:54.46 | sep | GutterPunk, sure. but only raid1 i belive |
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| 07:54.53 | holycow | sep, well just make sure you look it up, i think it has to be installed on bootsector .. i can't remember details but i have sarge running on raid 1 here with grub |
| 07:55.06 | GutterPunk | sep, well that's ok, a mirrorred boot is probably best anyway |
| 07:55.06 | sep | holycow, ofcourse |
| 07:55.32 | itchi | Hello my lovely #Debian :-p |
| 07:55.37 | sep | GutterPunk, raid1 with 4 drives on /boot and raid5 the others ? |
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| 07:56.18 | Mportnoy | anybody knows how to setup a VPN server for Windows XP machines ? |
| 07:56.33 | GutterPunk | sep, yes. or is that not the best way? |
| 07:56.53 | cast | Mportnoy: using openvpn? |
| 07:56.57 | holycow | Mportnoy, openvpn with an openvpn client for windows ... check the openvpn.org site |
| 07:56.59 | sep | sure |
| 07:57.00 | holycow | they have a list of them there |
| 07:57.28 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:57.29 | predder | GutterPunk, as I learned recently, if you're raid1'ing /boot using mdadm in sarge do not use Yaird to generate your initrd you wont be able to boot when a drive is disconnected |
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| 07:57.45 | Mportnoy | holycow: I need to use the client of XP , ipsec or something like that |
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| 07:58.03 | holycow | openvpn isn't ipsec its over ssh |
| 07:58.24 | GutterPunk | predder, alright, I'll keep that in mind |
| 07:58.32 | holycow | i don't think there is a vpn server that supports ipsed on linux ... not a free one |
| 07:58.47 | holycow | i run astaro firewall with ipsec support but i think thats a proprietary solution |
| 07:59.04 | b0xii | ya think? |
| 07:59.13 | holycow | supposedly some work is bieng done to support ipsec in openvpn with contribution from astaro |
| 07:59.27 | holycow | Mportnoy, why ipsec? openvpn is good enough no? |
| 07:59.41 | holycow | i would think if you control the server you control the clients too? |
| 08:00.06 | Mportnoy | holycow: the problem is that they have to install the client on each machine |
| 08:00.17 | holycow | sure why not? |
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| 08:00.33 | Mportnoy | holycow: more trouble shoot and support |
| 08:00.50 | Mportnoy | holycow: but if you know how to do it with openvpn that would be great tho |
| 08:01.14 | holycow | Mportnoy, well frankly the xp client is a fucking piece of shit |
| 08:01.23 | holycow | i had 5 instances just fucking die the other month |
| 08:01.31 | holycow | simply one after another stopped working |
| 08:01.44 | holycow | i'm not sure its actually less support my self |
| 08:02.01 | hatter | openvpn is quite documented. check out the website |
| 08:02.19 | holycow | and you can't fix the goddamend ms vpn client |
| 08:02.25 | holycow | i could hire someone to fix the open source clients |
| 08:02.32 | Mportnoy | holycow: whats your config or guide for open in debian ? |
| 08:02.36 | holycow | i wanted to hire someone to fix the ms vpn client ... but you know no can do |
| 08:02.44 | enouf | !fix ms vpn client |
| 08:02.45 | hatter | preaching to the converted in here. |
| 08:02.47 | Redhatter | Mportnoy, If you need a Windows-XP friendly VPN, look into PPTP |
| 08:03.06 | Redhatter | That, with a Radius backend auth server on a Linux box... should do. |
| 08:03.10 | holycow | hatter, true enough, just venting i guess. i couldn't believe it especially after we paid for the damned licences |
| 08:03.26 | Mportnoy | Redhatter: you know howto do it ? |
| 08:03.26 | holycow | Mportnoy, simple auth against radius server |
| 08:03.44 | Redhatter | Mportnoy, The PPTP docs are pretty well covered. |
| 08:04.03 | Redhatter | I moved to OpenVPN for the network here, but I did have PPTP for a while. |
| 08:04.09 | haggz | Debian Fortune: Using proprietary software with no access to source code is like living in a society where you aren't allowed to read the lawbooks. |
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| 08:04.49 | Mportnoy | Redhatter: why you move to OPen vpn ? |
| 08:04.53 | holycow | haggz, man have i learned that one the hard way |
| 08:05.21 | Redhatter | Mportnoy, Better security (AES256 kicks MPPE any day)... better compatability. |
| 08:05.27 | holycow | haggz, we are moving to openoffice not only because it works better, but we REALLY sometimes jus tneed to fix things |
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| 08:05.52 | holycow | yeah pptp isn't too secure i wouldn't use that ... i can't comment on exactly WHY its less secure tho |
| 08:05.56 | holycow | thats what all the docs say :) |
| 08:06.16 | Redhatter | holycow, In my case, I was using it to protect my wireless link. |
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| 08:06.35 | holycow | Redhatter, well yeah, better than nothing true |
| 08:06.43 | Redhatter | No real need for über security there... but there were some compatibility issues with it. |
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| 08:06.51 | Mportnoy | Redhatter: do you have any howto for openvpn and debian ? |
| 08:06.59 | Mportnoy | and with windows clientss |
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| 08:07.24 | Redhatter | `google Debian OpenVPN howto |
| 08:07.30 | holycow | ms windows client cannot do open vpn |
| 08:07.31 | no_body | Debian OpenVPN howto: http://deb.riseup.net/networking/openvpn/ |
| 08:07.35 | holycow | microsoft has no clue what ssh is |
| 08:07.43 | holycow | oh you mean openvpn clients? |
| 08:07.44 | holycow | :) |
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| 08:08.08 | Mportnoy | openvpn client for Xp machines |
| 08:08.27 | holycow | yeah i can only poitn you to their website and google, i don't have anything to forward to ya |
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| 08:09.29 | jovano | openswan with ipsec can handle MS system too. can openwpn? |
| 08:09.34 | predder | damn, I was going to `google hot man love |
| 08:09.53 | holycow | jovano, no |
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| 08:10.34 | jovano | what is this thing about openvpn client for XP then? |
| 08:10.55 | enouf | jfgi or se #windonts |
| 08:11.02 | Mportnoy | Any guide on howto setup and OpenVpn SErver for windows XP machies ? |
| 08:11.11 | nyk2005 | I'm using a debian system and the permissions of files in cgi-bin get reset to 600 from 700 every hour! what script could be responsible? there's nothing in cron.hourly! |
| 08:11.12 | holycow | gpart doesn't support ext3? *hmmm* |
| 08:11.15 | hatter | hmmmm, i am concerned at the moment about a break-in, i can find no other signs except roots .bash_history being 0 bytes.i have apt install chkrootkit and a few others, and everything seems fine, what else should i do ? |
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| 08:12.15 | jovano | hatter: what sort of break-in, accessing your system as root? |
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| 08:12.34 | nyk2005 | maybe /etc/cron.d/awstats |
| 08:12.59 | hatter | I am currently logged in as root, with 2 terminals, i noticed half through today .bash_history became zero bytes, i had looked in there earlier this morning |
| 08:13.08 | hatter | this is the only thing strange so far |
| 08:13.24 | holycow | nm, i guess it does |
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| 08:13.37 | hatter | i may have oopsed, but i cant remember anything, now .bash_history has 30 bytes |
| 08:13.40 | creature | hatter: Checked your last log? |
| 08:13.48 | hatter | with 'date' in there whihc i have not done today |
| 08:14.04 | creature | But if someone has root, they can hide themselves pretty much entirely. |
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| 08:14.14 | enouf | hatter: did cron.daily run today already? also see /var/log/auth |
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| 08:14.36 | jovano | hatter: clearing your history would not be an interesting to do if someone has broken into your system. |
| 08:15.04 | creature | jovano: It would be a way to hide what they did. |
| 08:15.06 | psyche__ | rm -rf / <-- how i can resurrect files? |
| 08:15.21 | hatter | creature: lastlog looks right, how good is chkrootkit ? |
| 08:15.25 | jovano | creature: true. |
| 08:15.33 | enouf | hatter: as root what's echo $HISTFILESIZE say? |
| 08:15.51 | hatter | 500 |
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| 08:16.32 | enouf | same here // but perhaps a system updated it and cleared it do another setting somewhere .. dunno check those logs |
| 08:16.57 | jovano | mine says 500 too. seems like a standard answer. someone else should check it. |
| 08:17.08 | enouf | it is standard |
| 08:17.21 | enouf | er default |
| 08:17.28 | creature | hatter: Does "who" show any remote addresses? |
| 08:17.31 | jovano | it can't tell us anything then. |
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| 08:18.36 | hatter | who shows my login |
| 08:18.40 | hatter | my 2 logins |
| 08:18.46 | hatter | but a root kit would change those things |
| 08:18.56 | hatter | maybe i should rename ps and send it to that box |
| 08:19.08 | hatter | see if anything funny is running |
| 08:19.38 | hatter | can you hide the output of ps even when it is run as a different name ? |
| 08:19.46 | jovano | psyche__: nothing can save your system now. |
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| 08:21.06 | psyche__ | its not my system :D |
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| 08:21.19 | psyche__ | i helped my noob friend a little and i got pissed off :D |
| 08:21.25 | jovano | i have a problem of my own. how to browse .xml file offline? i can read it online but offline i get the source code. |
| 08:21.51 | jovano | psyche__: and you did that to his system? |
| 08:21.57 | hatter | psyche__: please dont help any of my friends |
| 08:22.02 | psyche__ | and then i gave him that command and he pasted it into terminal right away, i didnt have time to stop him :D |
| 08:22.04 | jovano | :D |
| 08:22.18 | hatter | psyche__: seriously ? |
| 08:22.21 | psyche__ | yep |
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| 08:23.04 | psyche__ | and now im on killing list |
| 08:23.12 | jovano | psyche__: better hide. his is going to f--- you. |
| 08:23.18 | psyche__ | :D |
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| 08:23.20 | psyche__ | sure |
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| 08:23.36 | pihhan | hey |
| 08:23.47 | pihhan | i propably found problem with default etch compiler |
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| 08:24.00 | pihhan | it does loop and ate as much memory as it have |
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| 08:24.30 | Dewi | pihhan: how much memory is that? |
| 08:25.20 | pihhan | Devi: it eat about 320MB ram + some swap if it is there |
| 08:25.35 | jovano | hatter: if someone breaks into your system as root, he can do a 'rm -rf /' to it too. |
| 08:25.36 | pihhan | it is able to completely make computer unusable |
| 08:26.01 | hatter | jovano: of course, but its more valuable as a spam server |
| 08:26.08 | hatter | or a platform to break into somehwere else |
| 08:26.38 | Dewi | pihhan: what are you compiling? |
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| 08:26.53 | pihhan | Devi: crystalspace 3D |
| 08:27.14 | raf256 | I have hand builded kernel. How to install kqemu? |
| 08:27.20 | jovano | that brings to mind one question. can i use one system to controll the operations between two other systems? |
| 08:27.32 | Dewi | raf256: is your hand-built kernel packaged? |
| 08:28.55 | Dewi | raf256: oh, it's a kernel module. Compile it against your kernel headers. |
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| 08:29.13 | hatter | jovano: what sort of control are you speaking of ? |
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| 08:29.50 | raf256 | Dewi: ok I have the kqemu.tar.bz2... I unpack it into my kernel tree right? and then what? |
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| 08:30.13 | jovano | hatter: say, file transfer. can i issue command in my system to effect file transfer between two other systems, thro' ssh perhaps? |
| 08:30.20 | Dewi | raf256: I'm sorry, I don't know |
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| 08:31.34 | psyche__ | jovano |
| 08:31.38 | haggz | speaking of kernels, I see that 2.6.21 rc1 is out, I think I'm gonna try compiling and installing it. |
| 08:31.45 | psyche__ | you want to transfer files through ssh? |
| 08:32.01 | psyche__ | you can do it with scp |
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| 08:32.13 | hatter | jovano: still a bit lost, u mean without logging into the systems ? |
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| 08:32.52 | psyche__ | scp -r user@host.com:/etc/shadow <own home folder> |
| 08:33.42 | hatter | which is getting a file from remote and bringing to you |
| 08:34.13 | jovano | hatter, psyche__ , of course assume i can login to both other systems. can i scp/rsync <system A dir/files> <system B dir/files> ? |
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| 08:34.18 | pihhan | so, i did not found compiler problem |
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| 08:34.27 | hatter | sure, as psyche said |
| 08:34.28 | hatter | scp |
| 08:34.37 | jovano | while i am neither system A nor B? |
| 08:34.42 | Dewi | jovano: you'd just log into one of them and, assuming it can contact the other, use scp |
| 08:34.50 | pihhan | i did found source in c++ so huge, that my machine cannot build it |
| 08:35.22 | Dewi | pihhan: how did it stop? |
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| 08:35.30 | hatter | jovano, if you look into password less keys, it sort of seems like you arent logged in, but you still need to be one of the systems |
| 08:35.40 | Dewi | pihhan: did you run out of swap? |
| 08:35.41 | hatter | though passwordless keys are not recommended |
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| 08:36.17 | pihhan | Devi: no, i did run out of cpu, as it swapped to death |
| 08:36.36 | pinx | jovano: I am frequently logging into a remote bax and rsync'ing to another remote box, but I use passwds |
| 08:37.40 | jovano | pinx: interesting. using ssh? you don't have to login to both the other two boxes? |
| 08:38.01 | pinx | jovano: no - I ssh into one and then just work rsync from there |
| 08:38.17 | pihhan | jovano, just ssh to one box and use its rsync to connect to another |
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| 08:38.31 | jovano | pinx: pihhan: cool. |
| 08:38.40 | pinx | jovano: rsync will make it's own connection over ssh |
| 08:39.09 | pinx | jovano: if you can do it with "real" passwords it'd be better |
| 08:40.00 | jovano | pinx: pihhan: as an extension to the discussion, can i install debian in a remote system? |
| 08:40.01 | pinx | jovano: but public/private keys can be used - it's just less secure |
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| 08:40.31 | pinx | jovano: if it's a box you can boot remotely - then yes - do a netinstall |
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| 08:40.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me what's wrong here please? http://pastebin.ca/365855 |
| 08:40.55 | pihhan | jovano, yes, if you have write persmission to disk and new filesystem, debootstrap might help |
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| 08:41.34 | GutterPunk | sep, during setup the installation of grub still fails... Do you have any idea why? /dev/sda is an ext3 filesystem for boot /dev/md0 is the /, and /dev/md1 is another raid partition.... Why can't I install grub? |
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| 08:41.39 | madar | hi |
| 08:41.48 | GutterPunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:41.52 | jovano | pinx: great. now if my non-tech friend faraway wants me to help install debian. it can be done. |
| 08:42.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
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| 08:42.19 | pihhan | jovano, does he have some os there? |
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| 08:42.49 | jovano | pihhan: assume he now had MS WIndow. |
| 08:42.50 | Disvroian | Hy can i install by virtual pc a linux the mbr will be modified ? |
| 08:43.03 | pihhan | jovano, you know you cannot simply replace existing OS over network with another |
| 08:43.17 | pinx | jovano: if it's someone'e PC and he can get the floppies/CD images for a netinstall boot, that'd be even easier |
| 08:43.21 | pihhan | jovano, he is needed to do that |
| 08:43.34 | madar | I need some help:( : Fatal error: Call to undefined function, what can i do? ( i have alredy edited: php.ini extension=mysql.so) |
| 08:43.53 | jovano | pihhan: pinx: there are people who just want it and not do it themselves. |
| 08:44.07 | pinx | jovano: he will need to defrag his windows filesystem and then create the partitions in teh space cleared |
| 08:44.24 | litage | when compiling your own kernel, what needs to be done to add LVM support? |
| 08:44.45 | pihhan | litage, choose its support in kernel menu? |
| 08:45.07 | pihhan | litage, and install tools to manage lvm partitions |
| 08:45.11 | jovano | pinx: he may have to do a minimum. defrags, create partitions, what else? |
| 08:45.13 | litage | pihhan: i searched for "lvm" and "LVM" in the menuconfig, but it didn't list anything |
| 08:45.32 | madar | I need some help:( : Fatal error: Call to undefined function, what can i do? ( i have alredy edited: php.ini extension=mysql.so) |
| 08:45.34 | pihhan | litage, look for raid support |
| 08:45.51 | pinx | jovano: download the relevant ISO images for boot, netinstall, etc and then install it |
| 08:45.53 | pihhan | litage, what kernel are u trying? |
| 08:46.01 | litage | pihhan: 2.6.18.7 |
| 08:46.16 | pihhan | it should be there then |
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| 08:46.51 | jovano | pinx: the q is, can i do those for him remotely? |
| 08:46.59 | pinx | jovano: creating a dual-boot system is quite well-documented |
| 08:47.21 | pihhan | jovano, not sure how it might be difficult |
| 08:47.31 | pinx | jovano: I doubt it - he'll have to learn how to follow the instructions |
| 08:47.35 | madar | hi |
| 08:47.36 | madar | I need some help:( : Fatal error: Call to undefined function, what can i do? ( i have alredy edited: php.ini extension=mysql.so) |
| 08:47.51 | litage | pihhan: i'm in "Device Drivers > SCSI device support" but there's no mention of LVM or dm_mod there or in any sub-menus |
| 08:47.54 | pihhan | jovano, if he can run knoppix for example, he can enable ssh and you can do all necessary actions then |
| 08:48.02 | dorel__ | umm, etch repositories are etch or stable? |
| 08:48.04 | pihhan | litage, dont look into scsi |
| 08:48.42 | jovano | pihhan: interesting. and knoppix can be booted fr the cd. that is one cool way. |
| 08:49.16 | pinx | jovano: there are several options - knoppix might be easier for him and let you in earlier |
| 08:49.33 | pihhan | litage, Device Driver/Multi-device support |
| 08:49.35 | hatter | but if hes behind a firewall/router or something, you will have to port forward |
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| 08:49.56 | litage | pihhan: great, thanks. that should be built into the kernel, not as a module, right? |
| 08:50.00 | madar | I need some help:( : Fatal error: Call to undefined function, what can i do? ( i have alredy edited: php.ini extension=mysql.so) |
| 08:50.04 | baggend | Anyone know how to tell Gnome to not draw on the root window anymore? I found a gconf setting to tell Nautilus to not do it, but some part of gnome is still doing it. (My attempts to draw to the root window only show up for a split second during logout.) |
| 08:50.17 | jovano | pinx: pihhan: interesting discussion. thks. gotta go. bye. |
| 08:50.28 | pihhan | litage, i think it does not matter, you need to init that partition with tools |
| 08:50.47 | pihhan | litage, so you need some initrd image to do before boot, or boot from another partition |
| 08:50.57 | litage | k |
| 08:51.13 | litage | madar: that's a very undescriptive question you've asked |
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| 08:51.42 | litage | madar: type this: /msg dpkg ask |
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| 08:54.44 | eps | oh god why did iceweasel update from last night kill my profile? |
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| 09:06.03 | crm_ | well.. for anyone listening .. i think i have an interrupt conflict |
| 09:06.37 | crm_ | ive just received this pcmcia usb2.0 card and when i plug it in it says "allocating irq10" etc then it freezes up |
| 09:06.57 | crm_ | not sure how to get around this? |
| 09:07.03 | tarzeau | can i tell vim to be like cat, using syntax highlighting? |
| 09:07.38 | Guerin | 002.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 |
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| 09:09.09 | Disvroian | Hy can i install by virtual pc a linux the mbr will be modified ? |
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| 09:13.59 | LeFallen | Disvroian: It won't modify your real MBR |
| 09:14.21 | Disvroian | LeFallen: ok thanks a lot |
| 09:14.49 | LeFallen | Disvroian: That's the point see, it's a virtual PC only :) |
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| 09:15.47 | Disvroian | LeFallen: yeah but in case .. ;) but thanks |
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| 09:19.27 | GutterPunk | I'm currently chrooted in my debian install. I can't boot it because of the raid configuration. I installed grub inside this chroot but I don't get the necessary grub files in the boot partition... |
| 09:19.41 | GutterPunk | like stage1 and the likes |
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| 09:26.36 | Guerin | FUCKSHITDAMN |
| 09:26.38 | Guerin | grr |
| 09:26.48 | overnout | :0 |
| 09:26.52 | Guerin | the fucking box i bought for a firewall is ALSO pci 2.1 |
| 09:27.05 | Guerin | not pci 2.2 like I need |
| 09:27.15 | overnout | cant you bring it back ? |
| 09:27.25 | maddash | Guerin: wife got you mad? |
| 09:27.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone tell me what's wrong here please? http://pastebin.ca/365855 |
| 09:27.40 | Guerin | i bought it for $5.50 at auction, there's not really much point in taking it back |
| 09:27.46 | overnout | oh! |
| 09:27.47 | Guerin | it just means I have to source another fucking box |
| 09:27.49 | overnout | hehe |
| 09:28.00 | overnout | for 5.50 what do you want |
| 09:28.00 | Guerin | and can't set my shit up tonight |
| 09:28.10 | Guerin | pci 2.2, that's all I need |
| 09:28.19 | overnout | why whats the diff? |
| 09:28.29 | petemc | .1 |
| 09:28.46 | Guerin | overnout: practically nothing, except my ralink 2500 wireless card only works on 2.2 and above |
| 09:28.53 | overnout | :S |
| 09:29.07 | Guerin | not that much to ask, since the fucking technology dates back to 1998 |
| 09:29.10 | Guerin | grrr |
| 09:29.17 | overnout | ouch ! |
| 09:29.54 | psyche__ | how i can install fedora through internet? |
| 09:30.03 | maddash | psyche__: netinstall? |
| 09:30.07 | overnout | go ask in fedora |
| 09:30.11 | psyche__ | i dont mean that... |
| 09:30.12 | maddash | psyche__: this is #debian, btw |
| 09:30.28 | psyche__ | yea i know but im dont support fedora or use it but my friend need it |
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| 09:30.39 | overnout | i dont know i dont use fedora |
| 09:31.28 | Guerin | i wonder if the pci thing is in bios |
| 09:31.33 | Guerin | flashing a bios |
| 09:31.36 | Guerin | might do it? |
| 09:31.41 | overnout | i may be a software thing |
| 09:31.57 | overnout | perhaps |
| 09:32.01 | overnout | it might |
| 09:32.55 | overnout | im not sure thow |
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| 09:36.32 | Rothgar` | I can't start my MySQLd it just exits straight away and doesn't seem to output a log file |
| 09:38.30 | maddash | Rothgar`: where do you chk for a log file? |
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| 09:42.13 | d0ug | how can i get oo to pre load a la ms word |
| 09:42.16 | Guerin | d0ug: google openoffice prelink |
| 09:42.16 | d0ug | k ty |
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| 09:42.49 | niru | Guerin:my openoffice is not checking for spellcheck |
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| 09:43.11 | niru | Guerin:is it problem with openoffice or do I need to have some package |
| 09:43.12 | helloyo | will doubling my 512MB of RAM make much difference in kde? |
| 09:43.48 | Guerin | niru: there is a faq about this; you need to set your language to one for which there is a dictionary, and you need to choose a font which exists on your system (not one which oo.o substitutes another for) |
| 09:43.54 | Guerin | helloyo: probably |
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| 09:44.52 | Rothgar` | maddash: it doesn't work |
| 09:45.04 | Rothgar` | Mysqld isn't logging anything or outputting anything of use |
| 09:45.15 | helloyo | Guerin: i am using system guard, and my memory status is currently half application, and most of the rest cache, but its not full if that makes any difference |
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| 09:45.27 | maddash | Rothgar`: you might fare better if you ask in another channel, ie, #mysql |
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| 09:46.27 | Guerin | helloyo: most of your ram usage will be applications. You'll notice if it ever gets full because it'll start to swap. more ram will speed things up because it can cache more aggressivelyt. |
| 09:46.59 | helloyo | Guerin: thanks, i was wondering if it would make use of extra ram |
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| 09:47.56 | Guerin | hell yeah |
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| 09:48.08 | Guerin | linux will enthusiastically thrash as much ram as you put into it |
| 09:48.10 | nyk2005 | I'm using a debian system and the permissions of files in cgi-bin get reset to 600 from 700 every hour! what script could be responsible? there's nothing in cron.hourly! |
| 09:48.28 | helloyo | Guerin: hehe, great, one last thing, dual core vs single core, worth it? |
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| 09:49.08 | Guerin | helloyo: depends. I wouldn't spend any more on a dual-core chip unless I was future-proofing or has special reuirements |
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| 09:50.26 | helloyo | Guerin: not really, just giving the gf my current parts, and doing a minor upgrade my self, mainly just switching to pci-e for an nvidia card to run beryl properly, upping the ram, and thinking of an amd x2 3800+ processor |
| 09:50.27 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 09:51.06 | d0ug | got me a canon pixma ip62200, looks like it's not very linux friendly.. should i mess with existing cups drivers until i get lucky or share it off of a windows box with samba or would i need the real drivers either way? |
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| 09:53.01 | Guerin | d0ug: all canon gear is unfriendly |
| 09:53.04 | Crissi | hello |
| 09:53.28 | bintut | i am running debian etch here with a dual nic.. in my /etc/network/interfaces, both eth0 and eth1 are configured to acquire ip addresses from a dhcp server.. i want to get only the other relevant information from the dhcp server that listens on my eth0.. currently, both dhcp servers sends the name server's ip address and my /etc/resolv.conf was changed by the dhcp server from eth1. how can i set this in such a way that it will only append information on m |
| 09:53.28 | bintut | y /etc/resolv.conf ? |
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| 09:54.48 | Crissi | i have problems with suspend to ram on etch with a dell inspiron (dualcore cpu)... it has worked until last kernel update... now it came back instead of suspend on first try, on second try the machine locks up. has someone same problem? |
| 09:56.04 | debmin | hi all |
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| 09:57.31 | litb | hi all! |
| 09:57.39 | litb | how can i change my xserver resolution? |
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| 09:57.53 | litb | i looked for xorgconfig , but i did not find it in the repositories |
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| 09:58.07 | Crissi | litb: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:58.10 | geoaxis | hello, I am looking for documentation on how to install debian from internet using non debian live cd |
| 09:58.14 | geoaxis | is i possible? |
| 09:58.18 | petemc | !drxx litb |
| 09:58.18 | dpkg | litb: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:59.27 | Guerin | !chroot install |
| 09:59.28 | dpkg | i guess chroot install is http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en, or ask me about <debootstrap> |
| 09:59.32 | Guerin | geoaxis: ↑ |
| 09:59.52 | GaardenZwerch | wpa_supplicant & roaming trouble: I need "iface eth1 inet manual" in interfaces, wpa_suppl starts, associates but dhclient doesn't run, so i get no ip. |
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| 10:00.42 | Guerin | why `manual'? |
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| 10:01.28 | GaardenZwerch | Guerin: the README.modes says its a MUST. if I put 'dhcp', then the wpa options get ignored. |
| 10:01.38 | Guerin | oh. |
| 10:02.00 | Guerin | GaardenZwerch: perhaps put the dhclient stuff in an `up' command? |
| 10:02.04 | Guerin | or similar |
| 10:02.13 | Guerin | i know nothing about wpa supplicant |
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| 10:03.33 | GaardenZwerch | thx n e way |
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| 10:06.46 | d0ug | Guerin: there's no generic enough driver that this sucker would understand? damn, am i reaching for the stars here? sigh.. "turboprint" for 30 euros |
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| 10:07.21 | maddash | is there some way for me to get libpoppler-dev (>=.5) setup on my etch? |
| 10:07.25 | Guerin | d0ug: canon are bastards. You might be lucky, but i think it's distant. |
| 10:07.35 | Guerin | maddash: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 10:07.44 | Guerin | d0ug: linux-printing.org |
| 10:08.02 | WormFood | I found turboprint works better than the factory drivers with my printer (pixma 3000) |
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| 10:08.18 | Guerin | WormFood: again, that's just becaus ecanon gear is *shit* |
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| 10:08.41 | Zap-W | how to have exim force matching of the "envelope to" ( RCPT TO: command) with the To: header |
| 10:08.42 | WormFood | actaully, the printer seems pretty nice, but the drivers are shit for sure |
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| 10:08.51 | Guerin | Zap-W: #exim |
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| 10:08.59 | Zap-W | tried that |
| 10:09.05 | Guerin | Zap-W: try harder |
| 10:09.11 | Zap-W | i need an exim book |
| 10:09.20 | Guerin | Zap-W: this is not a library |
| 10:09.26 | Zap-W | lol |
| 10:09.30 | d0ug | well, following googled instructions i got prelink and ran /etc/init.d/prelink or whatever and it's been a good 20 minutes... sound about right? the site said it'd take a while |
| 10:09.38 | Guerin | WormFood: oh yeah, canon *hardware* is great - their cameras especially. Just the company itself is shit, and gear is only as good as the weakest link. |
| 10:09.56 | Guerin | d0ug: yeah, it takes freaking ages |
| 10:10.00 | WormFood | Guerin, I won't argue with that statement |
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| 10:10.28 | WormFood | the printer only cost me $10 (new), so I can't complain too much |
| 10:10.34 | Guerin | heh |
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| 10:11.12 | WormFood | I was buying a camera, and they had an $80 rebate if I bought a printer too, so I got a $90 pinter (retails for $100) |
| 10:11.28 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:11.33 | WormFood | I was going to sell it, but liked it enough to keep it |
| 10:11.34 | tupperware | hi there! |
| 10:11.36 | maddash | Guerin: oooh pretty. thanks. |
| 10:11.37 | tupperware | how is it going? |
| 10:11.39 | Guerin | and I bet you pay about that whenever you want to put ink in it |
| 10:11.54 | WormFood | what does a walrus and a tupperware have in common? they both like a tight seal! :) |
| 10:12.05 | Guerin | !smite WormFood |
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| 10:14.37 | arnolde | i backup my working drive with rsync. am wondering how easy or difficult it would be to use the backup drive as the working drive if the current one breaks down. |
| 10:15.28 | WormFood | just install a boot loader, and adjust fstab and/or boot paramaters (if needed), and it should work |
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| 10:15.40 | litb | !xmd5 |
| 10:15.41 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 10:17.16 | arnolde | WormFood, will grub-install with the correct device spec enough if i have saved /boot with rsync? |
| 10:18.03 | WormFood | if the same data, is in the same partitions, and they are formatted in the same file system, then I would expect it to work |
| 10:18.17 | WormFood | I mean, same as the original |
| 10:18.27 | arnolde | ok |
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| 10:19.11 | WormFood | you'll also want to make sure your ownership and permissions are the same as on the original drive (if you downloaded as a user, that my be problems) |
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| 10:19.47 | WormFood | if you want to backup your drive, over the network, there are better ways than rsync |
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| 10:20.05 | WormFood | if I were to do that myself, I'd probably use tar and netcat |
| 10:20.07 | arnolde | WormFood, like? |
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| 10:20.15 | arnolde | ok |
| 10:20.28 | WormFood | perhaps someone else here has a better solution |
| 10:20.35 | arnolde | they preserves all the permissions? |
| 10:20.44 | WormFood | if you give tar the right options, it will |
| 10:20.57 | arnolde | umh. |
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| 10:21.37 | arnolde | bye |
| 10:21.46 | ubushine | hey folks -- quick quesiont. new etch install. no desktop, no x-windows. basic install. takes up 618MB. does this sound kind of heavy to anyone, or is this right? i could swear a sarge install, years ago took about 400MB? |
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| 10:22.12 | WormFood | I do a quick basic install with no X and mine only takes up about 300 meg |
| 10:22.36 | ubushine | WormFood, thought so. wonder what i did? |
| 10:22.44 | WormFood | don't remember which branch tho...sarge I think |
| 10:23.10 | ubushine | WormFood, well, ya. i said sarge too around 400MB for me too. |
| 10:23.13 | WormFood | I'm trying to get it to below 100 meg....not sure the best way to go about doing that |
| 10:23.40 | ubushine | anyone with a basic etch install? 600MB sound right? |
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| 10:24.03 | hark | did you use tasksel? |
| 10:24.05 | ubushine | no audio, nothing really but ssh |
| 10:24.23 | ubushine | i used the etch installer. is that tasksel? |
| 10:25.26 | hark | the screen you get for tasks like database server, desktop etc. |
| 10:25.44 | ubushine | yup. installer must use tasksel then |
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| 10:26.08 | xerophyte | does anybody know why do i get this error when i compile 2.6.20 kernel http://sial.org/pbot/paste ? |
| 10:26.17 | hark | you can skip that, many do.. |
| 10:26.20 | ubushine | didn't choose database, desktop. addes ssh after |
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| 10:27.33 | xerophyte | sorry http://sial.org/pbot/23098 |
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| 10:31.10 | n0mad | i m looking for a xmms gnome applet. playground has not even basic functionality working. other options ? |
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| 10:39.42 | whitenoyce | Where would one put the --init-file arg to /etc/init.d/mysql start the debian way? |
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| 10:42.27 | whitenoyce | should i just go in and edit /etc/init.d/mysql? |
| 10:42.51 | k31th | do i need to worry about an SPF record? |
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| 10:50.27 | miguelanxo_ | Hi there |
| 10:50.47 | miguelanxo_ | is there some channel related to imap/pop adminitration? |
| 10:51.37 | petemc | miguelanxo_: the imapd or pop3d you use should generally have their own channels |
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| 10:53.18 | Crypticfortune | ok, probably a simple question, but i just set up debian, and X won't start. it says "GARTInit: unable to open/dev/agpgart (no such file...)" and a few more video card related errors. xorg.conf has the right driver listed (i810). what else can i fix? |
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| 10:54.06 | whitenoyce | ok fuck it, just editing /etc/init.d/mysql straight... |
| 10:54.33 | simonrvn | Crypticfortune: missing /dev/agpgart |
| 10:55.19 | Crypticfortune | simonrvn: that i am....but why? and/or how do i fix that? |
| 10:55.54 | simonrvn | start by making the device file. got kernel sourse? then see Documentation/devices.txt |
| 10:55.58 | simonrvn | source* |
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| 10:56.55 | _SlackJr | test |
| 10:57.33 | simonrvn | test failed |
| 10:57.36 | Solak | hmz. beryl needs libstartup-notification1, and testing only has 0. |
| 10:57.59 | simonrvn | testing is ok to have a sid package if the deps are ok |
| 10:58.49 | Solak | simonrvn: yes, but which one? |
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| 10:59.18 | Solak | best would be a package that installs beryl... |
| 10:59.47 | Solak | hmm, there's one for compiz though... |
| 11:00.09 | Crypticfortune | simonrvn: i doubt i have any debian specific kernel source. what's the package name for that? |
| 11:00.37 | cast | Crypticfortune: use apt-cache search if you don't know what a pkg name is. |
| 11:01.35 | Crypticfortune | cast: i did. "apt-cache search kernel" is rather a lot to go through. think i found one though: linux-doc-2.6.18 |
| 11:02.30 | cast | apt-cache search kernel|egrep 'linux.*source' or something... |
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| 11:03.01 | cast | i'm not sure how to do grep linux|grep source in one grep, grep linux^source? mmm |
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| 11:04.12 | biw | hi, just wondering if anyone knows an easy way to get a list of installed packages that came from the experimental release? |
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| 11:04.21 | claudio` | yo |
| 11:04.23 | Gnea | ok, i figured out my timing problem... went and bought a new mobo battery and it still does the same thing - turns out /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh uses --badyear and that screwed everything up by inserting a random 'wrong year' into the hardware clock (so every reboot/crash the system would think it's 1996, 2008, 1972, 2001, etc... randomly) |
| 11:04.28 | Crypticfortune | its 'linux|source' but yeah, i wasnt even sure where to start looking =p |
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| 11:06.35 | claudio` | What's the gtk+-2.0 package's name? |
| 11:06.53 | Gnea | claudio`: apt-cache search libgtk |
| 11:07.03 | Gnea | then apt-cache show <result> |
| 11:07.28 | claudio` | Gnea: already done.. and libgtk are already installed on my system but i can't compile iceweasel because it don't in these libs |
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| 11:08.00 | Gnea | actually, it should tell you in the first search result |
| 11:08.00 | Gnea | claudio`: no, you can't compile it because you don't have the headers - install the -dev portions of those packages |
| 11:08.03 | claudio` | This is the output: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5448 |
| 11:08.19 | Gnea | apt-cache search lib<something> dev |
| 11:08.23 | claudio` | Gnea: already tried to install it but don't seems to be in the debian mirror (nor in the backports) |
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| 11:08.40 | Gnea | claudio`: you need to make sure the package name is precisely right |
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| 11:09.03 | Solak | hmm, compiz also requires libnotification-1 >= 0.7 |
| 11:09.46 | Gnea | claudio`: that's why use apt-cache search |
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| 11:10.02 | bbelt16a2 | hey peeps |
| 11:10.11 | bbelt16a2 | i got a quick question |
| 11:10.14 | Gnea | claudio`: you can specify more than one search item to search for at once, separated by spaces, no need for grep |
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| 11:10.34 | bbelt16a2 | how di send the signal sighup to a process say smbd |
| 11:10.39 | bbelt16a2 | yes gnea |
| 11:10.41 | claudio` | Gnea: ok but i don't see any -dev package from gtk+2 only from the 1.2 version |
| 11:10.49 | bbelt16a2 | but its sorts ina OR fashion not a And fashin |
| 11:10.55 | claudio` | nono sorry |
| 11:10.58 | claudio` | it's there |
| 11:11.02 | claudio` | let me try |
| 11:11.06 | Gnea | cool |
| 11:11.14 | Gnea | bbelt16a2: what's your point? |
| 11:11.42 | qwertz | Hi, just installed a clean debian etch in minimal configuration. then installed mpg123 and tried to play a mp3 file but mpg123 dies with "no supported rate found" - "oss-compat" is installed - any hints what else could go wrong? |
| 11:11.43 | bbelt16a2 | well.. non really? |
| 11:11.48 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 11:11.51 | bbelt16a2 | how do i send the signal sigup? |
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| 11:11.57 | Gnea | kill -HUP <pid> |
| 11:12.02 | bbelt16a2 | ok |
| 11:12.09 | Gnea | man kill <-- outlines it |
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| 11:17.14 | anapivirtua | Hi all. |
| 11:18.39 | Crypticfortune | hmmm reading Documentation/devices.txt didnt help. how's debian supposed to set up /dev/agpgart? |
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| 11:28.42 | zamuro | Mornin, y'all. |
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| 11:33.13 | daxxar | How can I make a 100% copy of my USB pendrive? (I.e. a *real* backup that I can restore - partitions, data, etcetera) |
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| 11:33.32 | daxxar | Can I use something like dd if=/dev/sdb of=-|gzip ..? |
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| 11:33.53 | OoberMick | yep |
| 11:34.30 | OoberMick | i'd just dd to a file then gzip layer but the pipe will probably work |
| 11:34.31 | daxxar | Hm, great. :-D |
| 11:34.40 | DocPlatypus | daxxar: the same way you'd make a backup of any other hard drive |
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| 11:34.58 | daxxar | Hm, seems I need dd if=/dev/sdb|gzip, of can't be -, and it defaults to stdout. |
| 11:35.06 | DocPlatypus | yeah |
| 11:35.20 | DocPlatypus | wait, you're running a filesystem on the raw device? |
| 11:35.32 | DocPlatypus | my pen drive had a partition table |
| 11:35.51 | DocPlatypus | actually, still has |
| 11:36.00 | daxxar | Uhm, hum? |
| 11:36.02 | petemc | dd if=/dev/sda | gzip | of=usb.gz |
| 11:36.03 | daxxar | No, I have a partition table |
| 11:36.12 | DocPlatypus | oh. |
| 11:36.19 | petemc | may need another dd in there actually.. |
| 11:36.40 | petemc | its not the best way to back up stuff |
| 11:36.43 | DocPlatypus | personally I would just use BSD-style dump and restore and make a new partition table by hand if it came down to that |
| 11:36.49 | petemc | partition tabls can be recreated.. |
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| 11:37.14 | daxxar | Perhaps just tarball the contents. |
| 11:37.26 | daxxar | I don't care for file permissions or anything but the data, when I think of it. |
| 11:37.28 | cast | could just gzip < /dev/sda > usb.gz? |
| 11:37.30 | daxxar | It's currently a fat-partition. |
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| 11:39.29 | DocPlatypus | yeah I need to buy one of the little 32 meg drives for the most essential Windows programs |
| 11:39.35 | DocPlatypus | like the ext2fs driver |
| 11:39.43 | DocPlatypus | since my main pen drive is ext2 |
| 11:39.52 | cast | lol @ 'essential Windows programs' |
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| 11:40.16 | cast | DocPlatypus: wouldn't it be easier to partition the drive? |
| 11:40.53 | DocPlatypus | cast: it would, but Windows will ignore the partition table and only show one drive letter |
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| 11:41.31 | daxxar | DocPlatypus: What? :-o |
| 11:41.34 | DocPlatypus | unfortunately the most powerful computer I have access to on a regular basis will be running Windows XP for the forseeable future |
| 11:41.55 | daxxar | DocPlatypus: Get a quemu-enabled linux on your pendrive. I've read articles about that. ;-) |
| 11:42.02 | daxxar | qemu* |
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| 11:42.15 | daxxar | Assuming there's like some kind of acceleration (kernel layer?) under win32 |
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| 11:42.41 | DocPlatypus | it's tempting but most of the stuff I run is available for Windows natively anyway |
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| 11:43.19 | DocPlatypus | things like OpenOffice.org, VLC, XChat |
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| 11:44.31 | daxxar | There's also the chance of just booting some livecd-distro from your usb-pen, then you can have persistent changes too. |
| 11:44.46 | Crypticfortune | im confused. i have an Q965 chipset which has an onboard i810 graphics adapter. should /dev/agpgart be there constantly? if so, why is it not there? |
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| 11:45.40 | DocPlatypus | the laptop has some screwball video chipset that the X server on most live CDs won't recognize |
| 11:46.22 | DocPlatypus | Crypticfortune: I have an i815 here and a /dev/agpgart |
| 11:46.25 | DocPlatypus | if that helps |
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| 11:47.36 | Crypticfortune | DocPlatypus: is intel-agp loading as a module for you? |
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| 11:48.51 | haggz | I think I just recreated a hack that was cutting edge in 1978, using cron and fortune+festival to read me a new fortune every 15 minutes. |
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| 11:50.14 | OoberMick | haggz: how long before you get sick off it and turn it off? |
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| 11:51.31 | DocPlatypus | Crypticfortune: not that I can tell |
| 11:51.41 | DocPlatypus | oh wait... yes it is |
| 11:52.09 | haggz | OoberMick: I've already decided to sneak this into the crontabs of some of my friends with some customized fortunes |
| 11:52.10 | Crypticfortune | i wonder why mine isnt. if i set it to load at boot will i get /dev/agpgart automatically? |
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| 11:53.25 | Crypticfortune | i tried loading intel-agp with modprobe and making agpgart with mknod, but that still didn't work. i don't understand debian =( |
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| 12:04.13 | sidjster | tea time |
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| 12:06.02 | Crypticfortune | DocPlatypus: what kernel are you using? |
| 12:07.05 | DocPlatypus | Crypticfortune: 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 12:08.20 | Crypticfortune | im using 2.6.18-3-amd64... i wonder why you get agpgart and i dont =( |
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| 12:09.42 | simonrvn | module not loaded? |
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| 12:11.32 | Crypticfortune | simonrvn: i can load it manually with modprobe -i intel-agp (i assume that's the right one?), but that still doesnt make /dev/agpgart work |
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| 12:14.49 | sidjster | how do i purge config files? |
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| 12:16.33 | Neverther | --purge? |
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| 12:17.35 | sidjster | trying to remove hotplug config files |
| 12:17.45 | sidjster | dpkg worked |
| 12:17.56 | sidjster | so never mind |
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| 12:20.00 | DGnome | Is there a debian package of ZoneMinder? I can find a reference to it on http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html but nothing more... |
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| 12:25.39 | fo0 | hi |
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| 12:27.09 | fo0 | anyone have this probleme : aoss streamtuner work on root but in session user don't work and exit with :** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): ? |
| 12:27.13 | twobitsp1ite | so, I'm trying to burn some mp3s to a CD using "burn -A -a /my/mp3s/*" and it says "Please insert a blank CD/DVD."... I know it's blank, and I know I've writen to this cd-drive before... |
| 12:27.43 | Neverther | fo0, permission problem, ls -l /dev/dsp and see the group, then add yourself to the group |
| 12:27.52 | Neverther | or chmod it as root :p |
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| 12:28.17 | DGnome | adding a group to the user is preferred |
| 12:28.56 | twobitsp1ite | anyone have any ideas about my cd burning problem? |
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| 12:29.23 | DGnome | twobitsp1ite: try another blank cd? |
| 12:29.34 | fo0 | Neverther, i'm trying but /dev/dsp don't exist |
| 12:29.36 | twobitsp1ite | DGnome: this is the third one |
| 12:29.47 | DGnome | twobitsp1ite: oh, mkay |
| 12:29.52 | fo0 | and yes my user is in group audio |
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| 12:30.03 | elshaa | hi |
| 12:30.10 | twobitsp1ite | fo0: do you have alsa running? |
| 12:30.16 | DGnome | fo0: do you have audio support/driver compiled? |
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| 12:30.28 | sidjster | do i just rmdir hotplug ? after dpkg --purge hotplug? |
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| 12:30.35 | elshaa | can the cmd_alias parameter of /etc/sudoers contains precise commands like "/bin/mv /tmp/file /etc/file", instead of just "/bin/mv" ? |
| 12:30.40 | fo0 | DGnome, yes i have |
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| 12:32.43 | sidjster | foo your using alsa right? |
| 12:33.04 | fo0 | yes |
| 12:33.12 | claudio` | does anyone use icesweasel ? |
| 12:33.48 | fo0 | i do'nt understand why in root it's ok ... and in session user don't work |
| 12:33.50 | sidjster | alsaconf was run right? |
| 12:33.57 | fo0 | yes sidjster |
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| 12:34.11 | sidjster | alsa mixer is un muted? |
| 12:34.35 | cast | !tell claudio` ask |
| 12:34.36 | fo0 | alsamixer is ok too |
| 12:34.47 | cast | :( |
| 12:34.53 | sidjster | you have sound as root? |
| 12:34.57 | fo0 | yes |
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| 12:35.18 | sidjster | alsactl store ? |
| 12:35.38 | fo0 | yes |
| 12:36.25 | fo0 | oh moment maybe i look /dev/mixer |
| 12:36.27 | DGnome | fo0: do you have alsa-oss package installed? |
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| 12:36.40 | DGnome | and other alsa packages |
| 12:36.45 | fo0 | yes DGnome |
| 12:36.49 | DGnome | as well as alsa-support in the kernel |
| 12:36.51 | sidjster | do i just rmdir hotplug ? after dpkg --purge hotplug? |
| 12:37.00 | spanglesontoast | hey does anyone know why my wireless device can scan for networks but not be connected |
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| 12:38.17 | Crypticfortune | ok, still on a quest to get agpgart, now trying to compile my own kernel. anyone know what to look for inside menuconfig to make sure that happens? |
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| 12:38.26 | spanglesontoast | is there any options in ifconfig to specify the main internet connection device |
| 12:38.27 | spanglesontoast | ? |
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| 12:39.15 | cast | spanglesontoast: man route? |
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| 12:40.23 | spanglesontoast | hmm |
| 12:40.24 | fo0 | DGnome, yes alsa-support isntalled |
| 12:40.37 | fo0 | s/isntalled/installed/ |
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| 12:42.04 | elshaa | What's the command to make a user beeing part of a group (not vigr) ? |
| 12:42.18 | DaveyB | Windows uses Widgets, Macs use Gadgets, what does Linux use? |
| 12:42.26 | Ronin | logic |
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| 12:42.31 | elshaa | sorry, got it : usermod |
| 12:42.32 | HymnToLife | elshaa, edit /etc/group |
| 12:42.40 | HymnToLife | or usermod, too :p |
| 12:42.42 | DaveyB | Ronin, was that a serious answer? |
| 12:43.02 | Ronin | no but then i dont know what the heck a widget or gadget is |
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| 12:43.42 | Ronin | maybe explain to us linux geeks what they are and we can say what the linux version may be called |
| 12:43.48 | DaveyB | under X Windows, "widgets" is the collective name for buttons, sliders, menu bars, title bars, and all the other paraphernalia that windows can have or contain - awidget set is a collection of all the necessary widgets of a particular style - think "Toolbox"... |
| 12:43.59 | spanglesontoast | ahhhh |
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| 12:44.07 | spanglesontoast | it's to do with eth0 |
| 12:44.12 | spanglesontoast | if i disable it completely |
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| 12:44.15 | spanglesontoast | it works |
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| 12:44.50 | carlosz | DaveyB: in gnome there are gdesklets |
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| 12:45.27 | DaveyB | carlosz, he he thankyou |
| 12:45.44 | petemc | DaveyB: gnome uses gtk , kde uses qt |
| 12:46.21 | petemc | older examples may be motif |
| 12:47.16 | DaveyB | not gdesklets |
| 12:47.34 | DaveyB | petemc, carlosz thankyou |
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| 12:49.42 | DGnome | fo0: try using alsa-ouptu instead of oss? |
| 12:49.51 | DGnome | fo0: alsa-output |
| 12:50.00 | Suprano | !tell suprano nopublickey |
| 12:50.19 | Suprano | !tell suprano publickey |
| 12:50.24 | Suprano | grml |
| 12:50.26 | DaveyB | Why not use EDS |
| 12:50.34 | DaveyB | That sucks even more than OSS :) |
| 12:50.37 | DaveyB | IMO |
| 12:50.43 | Suprano | !tell suprano no public key |
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| 12:51.35 | DaveyB | !tell DaveyB no public key |
| 12:52.52 | ewanm89 | use /msg dpkg ... |
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| 12:54.56 | tuvwx | has anyone tried the etch netinstaller recently? about two weeks ago it was hanging right after tasksel if anything is selected there. i guess it has to with apt keys |
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| 12:55.51 | fasta | What is a very lightweight png viewer? |
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| 12:58.02 | cast | feh is a nice image viewer |
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| 13:09.01 | derjohn | doesn't etch's apache (1) provide mod_proxy ? |
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| 13:11.12 | guiden | why is gnome the default desktop? is it beacouse qt is not open source? |
| 13:11.41 | hark | it's not |
| 13:11.58 | hark | There is no default desktop as such.. |
| 13:12.19 | hark | you can get images with KDE and XFCE as desktop-base too |
| 13:13.04 | sep | derjohn, seams not to. |
| 13:13.06 | claudio` | Does FireFox2 is in some debian mirror? |
| 13:13.19 | hark | sarge? |
| 13:13.33 | tuvwx | claudio`, it's called iceweasel in etch |
| 13:13.44 | claudio` | uhm.. i'm new to debian |
| 13:13.49 | claudio` | etch is the latest unstable? |
| 13:13.58 | derjohn | sep, but it's reference in the default config (within an ifmodule). and there is /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy.so |
| 13:14.03 | Gnea | !etch |
| 13:14.04 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 13:14.04 | tuvwx | claudio`, etch is the current testing |
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| 13:14.11 | Gnea | ugh... Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/experimental/contrib/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 13:14.12 | hark | !tell claudio` -about releases |
| 13:14.20 | derjohn | hm can I loadmodule a libxxx.so ? |
| 13:14.22 | hark | claudio`: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:14.28 | derjohn | i'll try ;) |
| 13:14.31 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.32 | claudio` | hark: 3.1 |
| 13:14.39 | Gnea | !stable |
| 13:14.39 | dpkg | well, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Sarge (3.1), or ask me about releases. |
| 13:14.49 | hark | that's stable (sarge) |
| 13:14.56 | claudio` | uhm.. ok |
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| 13:15.15 | claudio` | I suppose the etch is better |
| 13:15.22 | hark | i don't think even backports has it |
| 13:15.41 | hark | claudio`: for a desktop, sure |
| 13:15.47 | claudio` | How can i get all the latest software? |
| 13:15.52 | claudio` | Or better, how can i switch to etch? ;) |
| 13:16.20 | hark | claudio`: /msg dpkg sarge->etch and read the etch release notes |
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| 13:16.28 | claudio` | hark: ok thx |
| 13:16.45 | claudio` | ah |
| 13:16.53 | claudio` | so i only need to do an apt-get upgrade, right? |
| 13:17.22 | hark | dist-upgrade, the release notes should explain it well... |
| 13:17.23 | derjohn | sep, well, not straigtforward: LoadModule proxy_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libproxy.so , while the module ships with apache, not as libapache-blah. |
| 13:17.28 | tuvwx | claudio`, no.. read again |
| 13:17.28 | derjohn | issue solved :) |
| 13:17.31 | sep | claudio`, no read the release notes |
| 13:17.36 | claudio` | ok |
| 13:17.40 | claudio` | time to RTFM |
| 13:17.40 | Gnea | claudio`: you're better off using backports with sarge instead of switching to etch, unless you're ready to do some serious help and are willing to put up with broken/missing packages :) |
| 13:17.41 | claudio` | THX |
| 13:17.49 | claudio` | Gnea: ah |
| 13:18.09 | Gnea | but, that's up to you |
| 13:18.11 | Gnea | !backports |
| 13:18.12 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 13:18.22 | tuvwx | claudio`, the dpkg factoid is all you need to do. if you don't understand what's in there then you probably should read some more |
| 13:18.34 | hark | claudio`: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 13:19.12 | hark | but if you're new, better stay with stable and read a few docs as such. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:19.29 | claudio` | yes |
| 13:19.31 | claudio` | i'll do |
| 13:19.33 | claudio` | thx again |
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| 13:31.50 | liable | why can i not seem to get ppp0 to be part of a bridge?? |
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| 13:33.06 | lotus-blade | how do I get the latest kernel sources and install them so that I can rebuild the kernel? I know how to build the kernel, but never installed debian before |
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| 13:33.51 | liable | lattenero: apt-get search linux-source |
| 13:33.56 | liable | err |
| 13:33.59 | tempest2k4 | think its apt-get install linux-source summat |
| 13:34.00 | liable | apt-cache |
| 13:34.21 | tempest2k4 | ahh |
| 13:34.26 | lotus-blade | that will get the kernel? |
| 13:34.49 | tempest2k4 | look at apt cache at the one you uwant then apt0get it |
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| 13:35.11 | cast | lotus-blade: google for the debian way using make-kpg |
| 13:35.18 | cast | kpkg* |
| 13:35.55 | psyche__ | lotus-blade build kernel manually |
| 13:35.57 | psyche__ | thats better way |
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| 13:36.15 | psyche__ | http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ |
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| 13:48.29 | kraehe | moin |
| 13:48.58 | kraehe | does someone know when libc6 first entered Debian archives? |
| 13:49.03 | Thms | is there a sidebar for linux with RSS reader ? |
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| 13:49.56 | stouset | Is there an idiomatic way to get the user's name from the GECOS field? |
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| 13:50.47 | stouset | Or is it just "getent passwd foo | cut -d: -f5 | cut -d, -f1" |
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| 13:53.27 | cast | not understanding the 2 key words you used. NFI |
| 13:54.12 | lotus-blade | what is the differance between a regular kernel and a kernel-smp? |
| 13:54.54 | sohmestra | lotus-blade: -smp is intended for multiple processor systems |
| 13:55.07 | lotus-blade | ah ok thanks |
| 13:55.34 | Neverther | or multiple cores |
| 13:55.44 | Neverther | which is kinda same thing |
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| 13:57.00 | MatBoy | is it possible in a good way to install the Nvidia driver 1.0-9746 ? |
| 13:57.22 | wam | Hi, my home-dir is crypted with cryptsetup and mounted via pam_mount. Anything works ok - but under load sometimes, the partition becomes read-only. Where could this come from? |
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| 13:58.16 | cahoot | MatBoy: this is blasphemy and only for informational use - I use nividias installer (on sid) |
| 13:59.02 | MatBoy | cahoot, I'm using the normal one-liner for Etch, but OK, that is frozen and I'm still on 8776 |
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| 13:59.34 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: build nvidia-graphics-drivers (source package - its in experimental) |
| 13:59.50 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, stable enough ? |
| 14:00.03 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: I have used it with no problems |
| 14:00.03 | cahoot | source pkg in what respect? |
| 14:00.20 | foxure | Hello, how can i check what my pysical serial port corenspond to in /dev/ ? |
| 14:00.20 | h3sp4wn | its what the sources is called |
| 14:00.33 | petemc | foxure: dmesg |grep tty |
| 14:00.38 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, but isn't there a deb to download ? |
| 14:00.55 | foxure | petemc, no answer means that it isnt configured? |
| 14:01.01 | h3sp4wn | http://packages.debian.net/source/experimental/nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 14:01.05 | petemc | foxure: is it a normal serial port? |
| 14:01.08 | MatBoy | other question.... was nv not supporting Xinerama or only Nvidia ? |
| 14:01.31 | foxure | petemc, a onboard 9pinout port. A would call it normal:) |
| 14:01.38 | petemc | foxure: your dmesg may just have been overwritten with other stuff |
| 14:01.54 | ewanm89 | I use Nvidias installer on sid too. |
| 14:01.57 | streuner_ | !tell h3sp4wn about experimental |
| 14:02.08 | h3sp4wn | streuner_: I know all about experimental thanks |
| 14:02.28 | streuner_ | h3sp4wn: sure, but you're ignorning the factoid at all. |
| 14:02.48 | petemc | foxure: hwinfo --short |
| 14:02.54 | streuner_ | " #debian does not support experimental." |
| 14:03.09 | h3sp4wn | does it support the nvidia.com installer ? |
| 14:03.13 | bzed | http://pastebin.ca/357419 |
| 14:03.15 | streuner_ | no |
| 14:03.34 | bzed | h3sp4wn: on your own risk, though |
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| 14:03.54 | foxure | petemc, okey, thx, will check that |
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| 14:04.15 | h3sp4wn | I think using the source from experimental is less likely to cause issues than the nvidia.com installer |
| 14:04.49 | h3sp4wn | (presuming there is a reason 9746 is required) |
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| 14:05.20 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, have you ever used that run-file ? |
| 14:05.51 | bzed | the experimental source works for me, and it'll always work better than that crap nvidia installer |
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| 14:06.15 | h3sp4wn | MatBoy: Once and it made a complete mess (and was a pain to get rid of) |
| 14:06.26 | MatBoy | mhh not a good idea |
| 14:06.29 | bzed | but it was pretty buggy some weeks ago and crashed all the time. seems to work well now, though |
| 14:06.46 | MatBoy | h3sp4wn, I rember myself something about a year ago indeed.. was not nice |
| 14:07.03 | MatBoy | bzed, but sid or experimental ? |
| 14:07.08 | bzed | ex |
| 14:07.08 | h3sp4wn | I havent had issues with 9746-1 or 9746-2 (on xorg 7.1) |
| 14:07.40 | MatBoy | bzed, just added it to the sources and ran the oneliner, removed it from sources and done ? |
| 14:07.43 | bzed | 1.0.9746-2 works very well for me |
| 14:08.06 | bzed | MatBoy: http://pastebin.ca/357419 - on your own risk. I won't help you to get out of it ;) |
| 14:08.44 | foxure | petemc, do you know what it should be namned in that, Can't find it, maybe is someone of the undetected stuff. |
| 14:09.00 | MatBoy | bzed, ok, thanks... let me look at it |
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| 14:09.57 | petemc | foxure: doesnt mention ttyS0 at the end? |
| 14:10.02 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 14:10.20 | HardDisk_WP | anyone online who can help me with procmail? |
| 14:10.53 | sohmestra | HardDisk_WP: I bet #procmail can. |
| 14:11.32 | foxure | petemc, nope |
| 14:11.43 | foxure | petemc, not att all in the document |
| 14:11.44 | cahoot | foxure: grep tty /var/log/dmesg should turn it up |
| 14:11.45 | petemc | foxure: is the serial port enabled in the bios? |
| 14:11.51 | petemc | cahoot: been there |
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| 14:12.28 | foxure | petemc, Hmm. i think i thats can be the problem:) |
| 14:12.33 | foxure | will test |
| 14:12.44 | foxure | cahoot, no hit there, but i will test to check bios |
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| 14:13.35 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
| 14:13.52 | ^Timo^ | does anyone knows how to change homedir for some uers? |
| 14:13.56 | ^Timo^ | user* |
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| 14:14.12 | ^Timo^ | nevermind |
| 14:15.15 | sohmestra | vipw, change /home/foouser to whatever you want. |
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| 14:16.24 | ameer | hello all |
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| 14:18.44 | Kvant | or use: usermod -d /home/somewhere someusername |
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| 14:19.52 | VImtermute | oy |
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| 14:20.19 | krinns | hi |
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| 14:29.00 | Flimzy | I have a P4 server that continually overheats... for some reason the CPU fan is not coming on. During the boot process ACPI reports that the fan is on... but it's not spinning. |
| 14:29.07 | Flimzy | The fan *does* spin temporarily immediately after the reboot |
| 14:29.17 | Flimzy | prior to the POST |
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| 14:29.19 | Flimzy | so I know the motor works |
| 14:29.32 | abrotman | there is a fan control program |
| 14:29.34 | Flimzy | Is this a misconfigured ACPI? |
| 14:29.39 | Flimzy | Or is it a hardware problem? |
| 14:30.27 | abrotman | acpi isn't the best followed spec |
| 14:30.58 | Flimzy | what's the name of the fan control program I should look for? |
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| 14:32.11 | Neverther | Flimzy, tried setting it in bios? |
| 14:32.30 | Flimzy | Neverther: I looked, didn't find anything about fan control. I did find and set the CPU temp warning beep |
| 14:32.45 | pickcoder | *yawn* |
| 14:32.53 | Neverther | <3 hardware control on MAD |
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| 14:33.01 | Neverther | aka amd |
| 14:33.09 | Neverther | Flimzy, google? |
| 14:33.32 | Neverther | i only know manual controller for nvidia fans ^^ |
| 14:33.46 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 14:34.05 | Neverther | made a script for it to adjust it along temp |
| 14:34.10 | Gnea | are contrib packages no longer being maintained in unstable? |
| 14:36.03 | Flimzy | Gnea: AFAIK, they're being mantained. |
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| 14:37.38 | lindenle | I changed the MAC address of my ethernet card (spoofed) with ifconfig hw ether and now i want to change it back can anyone help me...Of course i am asking b/c i did not write it down ;) |
| 14:38.01 | Flimzy | lindenle: it should be written on the NIC. |
| 14:38.13 | pearsen | which videoconferencing softwares do debian support? |
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| 14:38.13 | abrotman | Flimzy: apt-cache search fan control |
| 14:38.14 | Flimzy | lindenle: If you reboot w/o spoofing, it should revert. |
| 14:39.12 | Flimzy | abrotman: I see a turn-based RPG, a window manager, and a few brand-specific laptop tools there. |
| 14:39.32 | abrotman | Flimzy: clearly you want the RPG |
| 14:39.40 | Flimzy | abrotman: of course :) |
| 14:39.53 | abrotman | i've sene it .. hold on |
| 14:40.02 | Crypticfortune | anybody out there using the latest stable kernel (2.6.20.1)? |
| 14:40.51 | pearsen | videoconferencing , anyone? |
| 14:40.58 | Flimzy | Heck, if I could just turn the fan on all the time, I'd be happy. |
| 14:41.04 | Flimzy | it's in a server room, so I don't care about the noise |
| 14:41.12 | abrotman | Flimzy: do you have acpid installed ? |
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| 14:41.15 | Flimzy | pearsen: Ask a few more times, maybe the answer will come to us. |
| 14:41.18 | Flimzy | abrotman: yes. |
| 14:41.20 | Crypticfortune | i tried compiling it using the almost the same config as the default debian one (2.6.18.1-3 i think?), but now when i boot it cant find the root drive. very strange.... |
| 14:41.27 | heidaro | How do I add a user to the system so he can switch user to root? |
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| 14:41.38 | abrotman | pearsen: ekiga, gnomemeeting .. apt-cache search |
| 14:41.39 | Flimzy | Crypticfortune: PATA devices changed between 2.6.18 and 2.6.19 |
| 14:41.54 | Flimzy | heidaro: adduser foo |
| 14:42.05 | pearsen | abrotman, i know that the two are the same. |
| 14:42.07 | Flimzy | heidaro: Any user can run 'su' |
| 14:42.07 | abrotman | Flimzy: P4 you said ? |
| 14:42.11 | Crypticfortune | heidaro: add the user to /etc/sudoers (man sudo for more info) |
| 14:42.13 | Flimzy | abrotman: yes |
| 14:42.16 | abrotman | pearsen: depends which version of debian you have as to which you can get |
| 14:42.30 | pearsen | abrotman, etch. |
| 14:42.31 | dob1 | what is the default version of the kernel of etch ? |
| 14:42.32 | heidaro | Flimzy: Not to switch user to root. |
| 14:42.37 | abrotman | pearsen: that's ekiga |
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| 14:42.43 | heidaro | Crypticfortune: I want to su to root, not sudo. |
| 14:42.53 | Flimzy | heidaro: yes, any user can su to root. |
| 14:42.59 | Flimzy | heidaro: If they know the root password, of course. |
| 14:43.01 | Crypticfortune | heidaro: try "sudo su" ^^ |
| 14:43.11 | pearsen | abrotman, can it link up with MS Windows users? |
| 14:43.16 | abrotman | i have no idea |
| 14:43.26 | abrotman | maybe if they have an h323 client |
| 14:43.43 | heidaro | okay thanks |
| 14:43.46 | h3sp4wn | sudo su is pointless - either use su - or sudo -i |
| 14:43.53 | Flimzy | pearsen: There are proably VC tools for LInux that have Windows versions... But not any *mainstream* ones, taht I know of. |
| 14:43.56 | Flimzy | pearsen: Try google. |
| 14:44.15 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: sudo su would prompt for the user's password instead of root's password. so there could be a point. |
| 14:44.26 | h3sp4wn | sudo -i would do the same thing |
| 14:44.29 | Flimzy | h3sp4wn: Not much more point than 'sudo bash', tho |
| 14:44.50 | pearsen | what about the webcam, which ones have Linux support? |
| 14:44.51 | Flimzy | maybe he's specifically debugging 'su' :) |
| 14:44.57 | Flimzy | pearsen: google. |
| 14:45.07 | caitriona | ekiga should be able to link with xlite I think. |
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| 14:45.14 | Flimzy | pearsen: I'm not going to list 300 webcam models on this channel. |
| 14:45.23 | abrotman | !hcl |
| 14:45.23 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 14:45.38 | Crypticfortune | Flimzy: in what way did PATA stuff change? i noticed that i had to enable a lot of SATA/PATA drivers in menuconfig, but should i be looking for my drives in a new place now? (not /dev/sda anymore?) |
| 14:45.43 | caitriona | ekiga is doing doing SIP |
| 14:46.03 | caitriona | s/doing doing/doing/ |
| 14:46.06 | pearsen | Flimzy, you are a damn fool. google will give too much info. i need an informed opinion. |
| 14:46.23 | Flimzy | Crypticfortune: PATA went from /dev/hdXX to /dev/sdXX. The libSATA drivers now support PATA. Note that you can still use the old drivers if you want to... |
| 14:46.28 | pearsen | Flimzy, if you don't have it, STFU. |
| 14:46.28 | abrotman | pearsen: i like that one |
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| 14:46.34 | Flimzy | pearson: If you want an opinion, ask for an opinion. You asked for a fact. |
| 14:46.42 | pearsen | abrotman, which one? |
| 14:46.57 | Flimzy | person: I have personally used half a dozen different webcam versions in Linux. |
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| 14:47.09 | abrotman | pearsen: the one you bought |
| 14:47.21 | pearsen | Flimzy, name names. |
| 14:47.23 | Flimzy | pearson: Get a Connectix ColorCam. It work sin Linux. There's your informed opinion. You damn fool. |
| 14:47.34 | pearsen | abrotman, :D. you are funny. |
| 14:47.37 | abrotman | you're lazy |
| 14:47.47 | pearsen | abrotman, you are nut. |
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| 14:47.58 | Crypticfortune | Flimzy: ah, well, im pretty sure my drive is only SATA so it was /dev/sda before and it shoudl be /dev/sda now... |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | duh |
| 14:48.11 | Crypticfortune | still dont know why it cant find root though.... |
| 14:48.12 | tarzeau | does anyone still use the #debian faq wiki? |
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| 14:48.19 | Flimzy | pearson: The Connectix WebCam also works in Linux. Which is the first model of webcam ever made... B&W. Use that and shut up and leave us alone. |
| 14:48.26 | tarzeau | i'd like to move most/part of it to wiki.debian.org |
| 14:48.32 | abrotman | !wikifaq |
| 14:48.36 | abrotman | !faqwiki |
| 14:48.38 | abrotman | guess not? |
| 14:48.43 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: Are you using an intel chipset ? (with a choice of ahci or the old one) |
| 14:48.50 | Flimzy | Crypticfortune: If you use SATA, then it should not have changed... you are correct. |
| 14:49.02 | tarzeau | abrotman: guess i'll create an irc entry at for users on the mainpage |
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| 14:49.07 | abrotman | Flimzy: i can't find anything to even dump info about it |
| 14:49.14 | Flimzy | abrotman: heh |
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| 14:49.23 | pearsen | Flimzy, i don't call you a damn fool for no reason. |
| 14:49.25 | Flimzy | abrotman: The fan on this system used to go on and off automatically |
| 14:49.34 | Flimzy | pearsen: I know. You called me a damn fool because you're a lazy bastard. |
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| 14:49.52 | Flimzy | abrotman: And I have not changed the software. So I'm inclined to think it may be a hw problem. |
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| 14:50.11 | pearsen | Flimzy, no, you damn fool. i call you one becos you are a MFSOB. :D :D |
| 14:50.13 | Flimzy | I *did* upgrade from 512mb to 2gb RAM.... but that shouldn't affect the fan |
| 14:50.22 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: yeah, its an intel Q965 chipset. i dont know what ahci is, but its from a new computer my lab just got, so it shouldnt be an old one =p |
| 14:50.36 | abrotman | Flimzy: check the BIOS perhaps ? |
| 14:50.42 | Flimzy | Ouch. pearsen hurt my feelings :( |
| 14:50.50 | Flimzy | abrotman: I've checked there. Guess I'll double check. |
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| 14:51.31 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: ah here we go. lspci reports it as Intel 82801H (ICH8 family) |
| 14:52.56 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: What module is currently loaded ? |
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| 14:53.45 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: I guess ata_piix |
| 14:53.51 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: i think ata_piix is the one responsible. it loads with the new kernel too |
| 14:54.09 | h3sp4wn | Look in the bios - there should be a way to change the sata mode to ahci |
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| 14:56.15 | am_ | how to compile the linux source in debian |
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| 14:56.48 | waKKu | hi folks.. |
| 14:57.06 | Zaggynl | Anyone knows how to speed up DVD burning? |
| 14:57.12 | sohmestra | am_: apt-get install kernel-package linux-image-whateverwhatever; man make-kpkg |
| 14:57.18 | Zaggynl | 16x DVD burner, 4x or less burning speed with k3b |
| 14:57.22 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: Could be something like disabling legacy support or whatever (each manufacturer varies) |
| 14:57.24 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: nope. i dont see any mention of ahci in the bios. all the SATA options are basically "enable/disable" |
| 14:57.45 | h3sp4wn | It may not be mentioned directly as ahci |
| 14:57.51 | waKKu | someone knows sieve mail filtering ? i'm trying to use "copy" extension with cyrus+sieve but getting some problems |
| 14:58.06 | Crypticfortune | this is an hp dx7300 incidentally (not my choice...lab bought it) |
| 14:58.24 | abrotman | !tell am_ about kp |
| 14:58.40 | amphi | !tell am_ about debian-kernel |
| 14:58.47 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: hp supports linux doesn't it ? |
| 14:58.48 | am_ | i have done aapt-get install linux-source-2.6.16.. |
| 15:00.03 | bzed | Crypticfortune: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html http://linux-ata.org/driver-status.html could be some help |
| 15:00.13 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: on their server machines. not so much on these desktop models... |
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| 15:00.36 | bzed | Crypticfortune: I'd guess all you need is a recent kernel |
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| 15:02.08 | Crypticfortune | bzed: thanks, reading those now. im using 2.6.20.1 (most recent stable) |
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| 15:02.33 | bzed | Crypticfortune: and it doesn;t work? |
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| 15:03.15 | Crypticfortune | bzed: nope. claims it can't find the root partition (should be /dev/sda5) |
| 15:03.15 | bzed | Crypticfortune: aaah I remember that the q965 chipset sucked for some reason. just don't know why anymore |
| 15:03.55 | bzed | Crypticfortune: are you using any raid magic? |
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| 15:04.02 | Crypticfortune | bzed: yeah, it has to boot with pci=nommconf, but it's been working in all the previous kernels as long as i do that |
| 15:04.07 | DGnome | Zaggynl: dvd burning speed depends on the media, the drive gets that info from the media. |
| 15:04.21 | Crypticfortune | bzed: no raid. just 1 250gb drive |
| 15:04.23 | Zaggynl | hm okay |
| 15:04.33 | DGnome | Zaggynl: so, if you have a 4x disc.. you get 4x burning |
| 15:04.39 | bzed | Crypticfortune: and it worked before and just stopped working with 2.6.20? |
| 15:04.44 | DGnome | Zaggynl: maximum |
| 15:04.47 | h3sp4wn | bzed: The chipset has 2 modes (and drivers) - ahci and ata_piix (ata_piix sucks) |
| 15:04.49 | Detox_at_Work | ok silly question,,,, have P233 w/512 ram want easy for new linux user distro but run fairly quick,,, put debian and xfce? |
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| 15:05.02 | Zaggynl | DGnome, the disk reads 16x |
| 15:05.14 | DGnome | Zaggynl: no idea then |
| 15:05.22 | Disvroia1 | Hy i try to connect with vino to my second computer i would to used ssh for connect ssh -L 5900:192.168.1.2:5900 192.168.1.2 he ask me for a password i try the root pass and vino pass and the pass user of the session but all the time i have bad password any idea ? |
| 15:05.44 | Crypticfortune | bzed: well, its a new comp and ive been trying to get some form of linux going on it. the gentoo boot cd works with pci=nommconf, debian works with pci=nommconf (but no agpgart support, thus trying newer kernels) |
| 15:05.45 | Detox_at_Work | port 5900 is normally for vnc |
| 15:05.58 | Detox_at_Work | ssh is normally port 22 |
| 15:05.59 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: SATA Emulation (choices are IDE RAID and AHCI) |
| 15:06.10 | h3sp4wn | Crypticfortune: http://h200003.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?lang=it&cc=it&taskId=110&prodSeriesId=3232029&prodTypeId=12454&objectID=c00805464 |
| 15:06.19 | Disvroia1 | Detox_at_Work: yes but vino use the same port |
| 15:06.32 | witless | does /sbin/syslogd get restarted periodically? |
| 15:06.36 | bzed | Detox_at_Work: there's also damn small linux, which is based on debian.. probably enough for such an old box |
| 15:06.41 | DGnome | Disvroia1: try ssh -L 5900:192.168.1.2:5900 USER@host |
| 15:07.01 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: mine only lists SATA emulation: IDE or RAID (no AHCI) :( |
| 15:07.12 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: maybe there's a firmware update i can get.... |
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| 15:07.46 | Disvroia1 | DGnome: that work i enter inside the computer by ssh but on interface |
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| 15:07.53 | bzed | Crypticfortune: is probably the raid enabled (although there's only one disk in) ? |
| 15:07.55 | Disvroia1 | DGnome: sorry no interface |
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| 15:08.14 | RichiH | off the top of your collective heads, are RTP and RTCP cleartext or binary? |
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| 15:09.06 | bzed | RichiH: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1889.html |
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| 15:09.49 | Disvroia1 | DGnome: do you have any idea why he don t start with an interface ? |
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| 15:10.03 | RichiH | all those joins and parts make me suspicious.. |
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| 15:10.24 | bzed | RichiH: looks like somebody is playing with something |
| 15:10.32 | sussudio | spambots |
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| 15:10.46 | sussudio | !ops spam/joinbots |
| 15:10.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: sussudio complains about: spam/joinbots |
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| 15:11.03 | RichiH | bzed: yah, which is why i am trying to figure out what they are up to |
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| 15:12.02 | loca|host | anyone know how to install informix ? |
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| 15:13.35 | Flimzy | !tell loca|host about anyone use |
| 15:13.37 | witless | does /sbin/syslogd get restarted periodically? |
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| 15:13.55 | stew | witless: it gets restarted by logrotate |
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| 15:14.10 | witless | stew: do you know about how frequently? |
| 15:14.15 | stew | witless: daily |
| 15:14.16 | smacnay | is there a tool that can determine how many files will fit in a certain size container? I want to back up data on CD but am not sure how many will fit with best efficiency. |
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| 15:14.48 | DGnome | Disvroia1: are you trying to access a vnc-server behind a firewall with an ssh-server via an ssh-tunnel? |
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| 15:14.58 | Crypticfortune | bzed, h3sp4wn: ok, booting with BIOS set to RAID mode to the old kernel loads the AHCI driver, but the new kernel still won't boot... |
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| 15:15.01 | witless | stew: thanks |
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| 15:15.09 | Disvroia1 | DGnome: i m in local |
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| 15:15.18 | Disvroia1 | DGnome: then no firewall |
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| 15:15.24 | DGnome | Disvroia1: why do you need an ssh-tunnel then? |
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| 15:15.35 | Disvroia1 | for try it |
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| 15:15.39 | Disvroia1 | DGnome: for try it |
| 15:15.42 | Disvroia1 | ;) |
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| 15:15.55 | bzed | Crypticfortune: #storage @oftc.net are the kernel guys |
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| 15:16.15 | threw | hi all ! |
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| 15:16.29 | RichiH | for the record, i am klining whatever messages me |
| 15:16.31 | prock | is there a max $DISPLAY number? |
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| 15:16.41 | Crypticfortune | bzed: k, maybe i'll talk to them later...gotta go now. thanks for the help! |
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| 15:17.12 | abrotman | RichiH: can i send you a sexy photo? |
| 15:17.14 | abrotman | :) |
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| 15:17.44 | abrotman | oh .. can we just kill 88.* again ? |
| 15:17.46 | DGnome | Disvroia1: well, ssh -L localport:remote-dest-ip:remote-dest-port USER@host and make sure you have passwords correct and so on, vnc servers enabled |
| 15:17.52 | stew | [SAtAN][BLUES]: are you having trouble with your irc client? |
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| 15:18.07 | threw | i have a little question about ssh/Xming/windows/linux: i would like to put on a usb stick xming & portable putty to be able to connect myself to my own computer (with X11 forwarding) (under debian) from any computer under windows ; i've downloaded Portable Putty, and i ve put it on my usb drive. but should i do a particular task to install xming into the usb stick please ? |
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| 15:18.29 | abrotman | i don't get them anymore :( |
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| 15:18.42 | abrotman | oh .. 85.* too! |
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| 15:19.20 | RichiH | abrotman: depends ;) |
| 15:19.27 | DGnome | Disvroia1: and remember that udp is not supported over ssh-tunnels |
| 15:19.37 | abrotman | RichiH: it's not of me! |
| 15:19.41 | abrotman | sicko! |
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| 15:20.17 | RichiH | abrotman: that remains to be seen |
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| 15:20.30 | Crypticfortune | h3sp4wn: also, it looks like i have the latest bios. i wonder why it doesnt list AHCI in the bios like that page says it should.... |
| 15:20.42 | Disvroia1 | DGnome: i try that ssh -L localport:remote-dest-ip:remote-dest-port USER@host but i have the same pb i go in my second computer but i don t have graphical interface |
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| 15:20.53 | tarzeau | simonrvn: dead http://wiki.kisikew.org/bin/view/Main/SimonRaven |
| 15:20.55 | RichiH | abrotman: yah, it's turkish |
| 15:20.57 | threw | anyone may help me please ? or know a better channel where i coul ask my question ? |
| 15:21.08 | abrotman | RichiH: ban the lot of them! |
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| 15:21.30 | Disvroia1 | DGnome:The local port is 5900 |
| 15:21.31 | abrotman | threw: ask the xming people ? |
| 15:21.33 | RichiH | abrotman: i am klining, instead |
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| 15:21.44 | abrotman | oh ... |
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| 15:21.47 | abrotman | KILL! |
| 15:21.48 | threw | abrotman, have they got an irc channel ?! |
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| 15:21.59 | abrotman | threw: i thought they did .. but i don't see it on freenode |
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| 15:22.25 | threw | abrotman, yes i have searched one on searchirc.com without success |
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| 15:22.38 | abrotman | threw: not sur ethen |
| 15:22.42 | abrotman | mailing list! |
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| 15:23.02 | threw | abrotman, what does mean "not sur ethen" please ? |
| 15:23.08 | abrotman | not sure then |
| 15:23.15 | abrotman | try a mailing list perhaps |
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| 15:23.37 | threw | abrotman, ah ok :) yes but i need an answer for tommorrow :( |
| 15:23.38 | abrotman | i don't think xming is in debian :) |
| 15:23.53 | threw | abrotman, yes but i dont find a better channel :( |
| 15:24.07 | abrotman | really? |
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| 15:24.30 | threw | yes ! |
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| 15:24.53 | abrotman | maybe #freedesktop ? |
| 15:25.04 | RichiH | test |
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| 15:25.07 | abrotman | threw: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Xming#head-a68fa8efe4a09d8c0c63ae60426d9366434bccb2 |
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| 15:33.12 | mbd | hey im having some trouble getting my newly installed debian 3.1r4 to boot. the booting stops at "INIT: No inittab file found. Enter runlevel: ". i think it might be related to LVM, since i have /etc / and /home on LVs with raiserfs. /boot is raiser fs on normal partition |
| 15:33.31 | mbd | also swap is on a LV |
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| 15:34.24 | mbd | maybe debian dosnt support /etc on a LV? |
| 15:35.07 | stew | mbd: you can't have /etc/ on a separate partition if that is what you are saying |
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| 15:35.16 | mbd | why not? |
| 15:35.26 | stew | mbd: if you have /etc/ on a separate partition, it won't be able to find fstab on / to see where your /etc partition is |
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| 15:35.41 | mbd | oh, i c |
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| 15:35.51 | stew | mbd: and, for instance, the init process (staring with inittab) won't find any init scripts from which to mount partitions |
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| 15:36.06 | mbd | any way around that? (/etc on own partition would make it easier, since i often reinstall) |
| 15:36.20 | stew | mbd: not that I know of |
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| 15:36.23 | mbd | ok |
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| 15:36.48 | shufla | hello. how to pass -rfakeroot to svn-autoreleasedeb by its config file? <option name="gain-root-command" value="fakeroot"/> or <option name="-r" value="fakeroot"/> do not works... |
| 15:37.01 | Suva | Hey, can anyone give me any tips how to make the installer detect IDE drive |
| 15:37.09 | mbd | thanks st |
| 15:37.11 | mbd | stwe |
| 15:37.14 | mbd | stew |
| 15:37.14 | Suva | I have HP Compaq nx6325 |
| 15:37.18 | mbd | ;) |
| 15:37.25 | Suva | With Fujitsu 80GB HDD |
| 15:37.33 | Suva | But for some reason installer doesn't see the HDD |
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| 15:39.27 | Thms | is there something like partition magic in debian ? |
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| 15:40.02 | MatBoy | I have found a doc about installing Debian on a USB stick so you can always boot a PC from it. Is there not a real easy way to do this ? |
| 15:40.03 | stew | Thms: parted / gparted |
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| 15:40.14 | Thms | thanks |
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| 15:41.01 | stew | MatBoy: "/msg dpkg usb-install" will give you instructions on putting an installer on a usb key which can be used for recovery |
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| 15:41.42 | MatBoy | stew, thanks, but taht one is not encrypted I guess ? http://feraga.com/node/30 I found this and I think this is nice |
| 15:42.36 | pickcoder | Suva: which installer? |
| 15:42.45 | Suva | pickcoder: Sarge |
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| 15:43.05 | pickcoder | eep |
| 15:43.19 | Suva | eep what? |
| 15:43.35 | pickcoder | Suva: did you trying "linux26" at the install boot prompt? |
| 15:43.41 | pickcoder | -ing |
| 15:44.08 | Suva | pickcoder: Yes |
| 15:44.11 | Suva | No help |
| 15:44.19 | pickcoder | it's an ATI chipset |
| 15:44.30 | pickcoder | do you have to run Sarge? |
| 15:44.36 | pickcoder | Etch will probably work better for it |
| 15:44.39 | Suva | pickcoder: No |
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| 15:44.47 | pickcoder | though ACPI may be problematic from what I've read |
| 15:44.49 | Suva | Ok, burning etch netinstaller now |
| 15:44.52 | stew | MatBoy: afaik the newer installer could do this stuff for ou |
| 15:45.06 | MatBoy | stew, that is true indeed |
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| 15:45.10 | abrotman | Suva: is it an etch daily? the rc1 is busted |
| 15:45.29 | Suva | abrotman: Daily |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:45.41 | Suva | Does it work? :) |
| 15:45.49 | Suva | Because if it doesnt I wasted another CD :) |
| 15:45.51 | pickcoder | Suva: you should upgrade your BIOS if you haven't already |
| 15:45.57 | pickcoder | before you run the installer |
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| 15:46.47 | MatBoy | stew, much more easier that way indeed... thanks agaiN ! |
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| 15:46.49 | Suva | pickcoder: Hmm, okay |
| 15:46.57 | tristano | !ntfs-3g |
| 15:46.57 | dpkg | I heard ntfs-3g is available in Debian testing/unstable, a new, beta quality fuse-based driver for NTFS with decent write support, currently works on i386 and possibly amd64. See http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html , ask me about <ntfs> and see http://www.linux-ntfs.org also .. <captiventfs> (which appears deprecated). |
| 15:47.41 | Suva | Cool thing, I just bought this computer |
| 15:48.14 | Suva | And when I booted to preinstalled windows, it was allready bloated with hundreds of system tray apps :) |
| 15:48.54 | Suva | I will try to upgrade the bios then |
| 15:48.55 | tristano | excuse me, but there is ntfs-3g on .deb o i must compile it? |
| 15:49.02 | pickcoder | Suva: most of it technical support stuff |
| 15:49.09 | pickcoder | for people that can't really use a computer |
| 15:49.12 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 15:49.16 | Suva | :) |
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| 15:53.07 | mike1o | im thinking of switching from ubuntu to debian... i shouldnt have too much trouble right? |
| 15:53.35 | schme | mike1o: noq |
| 15:53.39 | schme | mike1o: no. |
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| 15:54.05 | mike1o | schme, is becoming too windosish |
| 15:54.14 | mike1o | *ubuntu |
| 15:54.23 | schme | How so? |
| 15:54.49 | schme | or rather; what is windowish? |
| 15:55.00 | mike1o | schme, a lot people who dont know anything about linux are starting to use it |
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| 15:55.27 | schme | I don't really see the problem there :) |
| 15:55.28 | Hotwire | mike1o: isn't that a good thing? |
| 15:55.30 | kelsin | It's the one I trust most putting on my parents computer :) |
| 15:56.06 | schme | I don't know much about linux. I basically think the kernel source is a mess. I use it anyway :) |
| 15:56.10 | mike1o | i guess but its good for them & humanity... but for me it's time for the switch i guess |
| 15:56.25 | kelsin | mike1o: same reason I'm on debian now :) |
| 15:56.26 | Ronin | too windowish? |
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| 15:56.33 | mike1o | im no expert either |
| 15:56.47 | abrotman | Ronin: windows-ish |
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| 15:57.14 | Hotwire | i switched to debian because some ubuntu packages are poorly maintained, which i think may be a product of the rushed development cycle |
| 15:57.16 | Ronin | which means? |
| 15:57.31 | schme | Ronin: I am wondering that too. |
| 15:57.51 | mike1o | i find myself hacking ubuntu... guess that means i need something more hacker-friendly! |
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| 15:58.13 | schme | I think that it's all good tho. Users shouldn't need to know much about linux. |
| 15:58.22 | pickcoder | ubuntu makes lots of decisions by itself |
| 15:58.23 | schme | leave that to kernel developers :) |
| 15:58.25 | caitriona | I still like ubuntu's ability to make a release schedule and mostly stick to it. |
| 15:58.27 | mike1o | window-sish= a lot of unneccesary GUI's |
| 15:58.27 | pickcoder | sometimes bad ones? |
| 15:58.49 | amico | I setup a dns Server, how come Registrant companies will not allow my to put my Name server servers for NS1 and two? do i need to further register them? |
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| 15:58.55 | schme | mike1o: can't you just avoid installing X ? |
| 15:59.01 | kelsin | As long as the relationship with Ubuntu and Debian remains solid, I love the idea of having it there. Choice is always good |
| 15:59.03 | Ronin | mike1o: just dont install x |
| 15:59.13 | mike1o | i no... |
| 15:59.15 | Ronin | not i dont think you should make the move to debian mind you |
| 15:59.18 | mike1o | i want x |
| 15:59.26 | mike1o | why not |
| 15:59.28 | schme | Ronin: You took the words out of my mouth :) |
| 15:59.51 | schme | mike1o: so pick a window manager that better suits your taste... or whatever the problem is .. ? |
| 15:59.51 | Ronin | mike1o: then dont install all the various wms, pick one |
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| 16:00.10 | mike1o | thats why i want to switch to debian... |
| 16:00.17 | mike1o | cause i can choose more stuff |
| 16:00.21 | Ronin | mike1o: that doesnt make sense |
| 16:00.44 | schme | mike1o: I find your urge to switch all good, but your reason seems bizarre :) |
| 16:00.47 | mike1o | whereas in ubuntu u only have gnome or kde... |
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| 16:00.54 | Ronin | i doubt that verymuch |
| 16:01.10 | Ronin | course having never ran ubuntu mythoughts are worth the paper theyre written on |
| 16:01.15 | schme | mike1o: my dad runs ubuntu without gnome and kde |
| 16:01.21 | caitriona | What I'd like to see with respect to a distribution: 1) I should not be forced to use the GUI. 2) I should not be forced to use the console, or a terminal. 3) I should not be treated condescendingly for using the GUI or the console. |
| 16:01.29 | kelsin | I don't think I can explain it better, but I moved for the same reason. Stuff didn't feel "right" when not in gnome with ubuntu. The default desktop works wonderfully but outside of that you feel like you're just installing debian packages and it loses the ubuntu feel |
| 16:01.31 | Ronin | mike1o: but www.debian.org for all your debian needs |
| 16:01.50 | kelsin | anyway, I'm loving debian so far :) onto breakfast |
| 16:01.50 | caitriona | in other words, it should be just as user friendly or user unfriendly as I want :P |
| 16:01.59 | schme | the ubuntu feel? |
| 16:02.01 | Ronin | caitriona: 1. you're not, 2. you're not, 3, that depends on the channel |
| 16:02.05 | mike1o | kelsin, exactly |
| 16:02.18 | amico | any clue? |
| 16:02.44 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:02.55 | schme | I generally don't want distributions to feel a certain way. |
| 16:02.55 | Ronin | heh |
| 16:02.59 | caitriona | Ronin; there's still a lot of things that really aren't user friendly. |
| 16:03.03 | mike1o | i feel like im hacking ubuntu to take the ubuntu part away and turn it back into debian... |
| 16:03.07 | schme | other than the feel of a solid unix system. |
| 16:03.36 | caitriona | All to common, "there's a gui for that, but you're not supposed to use it" |
| 16:03.49 | mike1o | schme, yup |
| 16:03.52 | Suva | Thanks, Etch installer worked! |
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| 16:04.09 | schme | mike1o: No matter what distribution I am on they all feel the same. |
| 16:04.29 | Ronin | caitriona: in what? |
| 16:04.56 | mike1o | schme, i've installed a couple of debians and the install procedure seemed more detailed with respect to the ubuntu one |
| 16:04.58 | Ronin | caitriona: well its usually best to know the cmd line technicque as the gui can break etc. |
| 16:05.09 | hark | MeSSaGe: much better! |
| 16:05.39 | caitriona | well yeah, but until you can satisfy the point and drool people, linux isn't going to gain much ground on the desktop. |
| 16:05.46 | schme | mike1o: I see. I have really never installed ubuntu so I wouldn't know. What part felt more detailed? |
| 16:05.55 | Ronin | hopefully it will never be point and click |
| 16:05.57 | schme | caitriona: who cares? |
| 16:06.09 | mike1o | plus in ubuntu u got all this preinstalled stuff i never really use... |
| 16:06.19 | schme | mike1o: uninstall it :) |
| 16:06.39 | mike1o | schme, yeah but they're all linked by virtual packages... |
| 16:06.44 | pickcoder | caitriona: the problem with GUIs for everything is that you can't always write a GUI that covers everyone's requirements |
| 16:06.51 | Solak | Ronin: well, as long as it comes in two flavors; one point-and-click, and one not... |
| 16:06.53 | schme | mike1o: uninstall all virtual packages then:) |
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| 16:07.03 | mike1o | schme, debian shows exactly what its doing |
| 16:07.13 | mike1o | schme, i guess :-) |
| 16:07.24 | pickcoder | caitriona: if you did, it would eventually become just as complex as editing the configuration manually |
| 16:07.34 | pickcoder | so that really defeats the purpose of it |
| 16:07.34 | schme | mike1o: I remember from using apt-get on ubuntu that it showed exactly the same information as on debian.. |
| 16:07.43 | Solak | mike1o: yeah, with debian (as long as you don't use tasksel) you have more control over the packages... |
| 16:07.43 | caitriona | schme, I'd like to be able to stick some form of linux distro on my grandparent's computer, and have them happy with it |
| 16:08.01 | Solak | mike1o: though, I must admit that I'm not familiar with newer distro's like ubuntu... |
| 16:08.02 | schme | desktop OS isn't really a goal I see as interesting. |
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| 16:08.20 | mike1o | schme, ubuntu debian's apt |
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| 16:08.38 | schme | mike1o: You've lost me. What part showed more what it was doing? |
| 16:08.48 | schme | caitriona: so teach 'em bash :) |
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| 16:08.59 | mike1o | schme, i was answerting the other questions sorry |
| 16:09.15 | schme | oh |
| 16:09.31 | mike1o | schme, well on the type of system u want to install for example |
| 16:10.04 | caitriona | part of why I think the desktop is so important is that I don't think we are going to see a lot of hardware vendors jumping to support linux until there is sizeable market share on the desktop |
| 16:10.13 | caitriona | esp. not for consumer-level hardware. |
| 16:10.15 | schme | mike1o: from what I remember debian install pretty much asks you where to install, where to get the packages, and what packages you want in. |
| 16:10.44 | schme | caitriona: oh. I find that terribly uninteresting too :) |
| 16:10.45 | mike1o | schme, in debian u got a lot of more options and u can decide on startup exactly what packages u want to install... |
| 16:11.10 | schme | mike1o: ya mean ubuntu doesn't let you select packages? |
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| 16:11.38 | mike1o | schme, on ubuntu u gotta install everything first and then after u installed everything u apt-get & remove |
| 16:11.57 | abrotman | !u |
| 16:11.57 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:12.17 | schme | caitriona: of course I don't see gaining more linux users or a "market share" as an interesting goal either :) |
| 16:12.27 | schme | mike1o: now that is silly |
| 16:12.49 | schme | mike1o: even suse lets you decide what packages you want >< |
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| 16:12.58 | mike1o | schme, that's it I'm making the switch |
| 16:13.06 | schme | good on ya. |
| 16:13.18 | mike1o | schme, of course that's just the install... |
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| 16:15.39 | Ronin | schme: not having tried ubuntu im guessing but id bet they do that as well, i know folks that use it as servers and they pick and choose |
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| 16:18.34 | schme | Ronin: Ya it sounds very strange. |
| 16:19.00 | Ronin | i know it definitely does make some decisions for you |
| 16:19.17 | schme | So does debian tho. |
| 16:19.30 | mike1o | schme, that's true... but it's about the only choice u have at install time |
| 16:20.08 | schme | mike1o: what to install and where to install it? |
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| 16:20.37 | mike1o | schme, yes |
| 16:20.44 | schme | mike1o: actually I am in the process of switching away from debian on my main computer. |
| 16:20.57 | schme | mike1o: what more choices do ya need ? :) |
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| 16:21.40 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 16:21.42 | mike1o | schme, i (like most people) have preferred apps |
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| 16:21.59 | schme | mike1o: Don't we all :) |
| 16:22.53 | schme | mike1o: Surely ubuntu lets you decide what packages to install during the initial install so you can get your preferred apps on the system? |
| 16:23.04 | schme | it almost sounds like I'm advocating ubuntu >< |
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| 16:23.27 | caitriona | schme, ubuntu doesn't really make any choices during the install. |
| 16:23.34 | schme | For the record I find ubuntu Yet Another Pointless Distribution. |
| 16:23.44 | caitriona | it gives you a one-size-fits-all desktop distribution. |
| 16:23.55 | caitriona | you can customize after its installed |
| 16:24.07 | stew | please go to #ubuntu to discuss the ubuntu installer |
| 16:24.25 | schme | ya |
| 16:24.28 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out the size of a dir and its subdirs in shell?? |
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| 16:24.46 | stew | HardDisk_WP: use du |
| 16:24.47 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: du -hs /path/to/dir |
| 16:24.49 | schme | HardDisk_WP: man du |
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| 16:24.55 | caitriona | although, it's the opposite approach from debian... which has a small base set. |
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| 16:25.08 | stew | celo: are you having trouble with your irc client? |
| 16:25.11 | schme | hrm.. |
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| 16:25.36 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 16:25.45 | Azar | I guess he uses an automated bot to keep him on irc? |
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| 16:26.11 | Ronin | that or it is a bot |
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| 16:26.35 | schme | caitriona: I find the debian base set annoyingly big |
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| 16:26.54 | schme | caitriona: which is part of why I am switching off it :) |
| 16:26.55 | numist | how do I get a list of all installed packages on my system? |
| 16:27.01 | valdyn | schme: file a bug report as to what should not be in base |
| 16:27.14 | stew | numist: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep ^.i" |
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| 16:27.32 | mike1o | schme, not during the install |
| 16:27.36 | schme | valdyn: No. It is not a debian problem, it is a schme problem. :) |
| 16:27.36 | numist | stew: hm, thanks. no wonder it's not in a manpage :P |
| 16:27.53 | stew | numist: you can drop the COLUMNS=200 on etch or sid |
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| 16:28.07 | numist | stew: ya |
| 16:28.11 | schme | valdyn: it all fits very well in the debian distribution, it just doesn't fit me quite as well as it has over the years :S |
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| 16:29.21 | Azar | schme: when I moved away from the windowsworld, I decided to pick a distro that does not look anything like windows: I picked Debian and started learning something new from the bottom up. I spent like 3 years on command line before I decided to install Xwindows. I guess that sums it up for you? |
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| 16:29.42 | schme | Azar: No. |
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| 16:30.00 | aadil | hey |
| 16:30.02 | aadil | sup ppl? |
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| 16:30.40 | Azar | ..ofcourse this was MY way. If you want to use Debian be prepared to read a lot, and learn. This is not "plug the appliance on the power push a button and works" |
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| 16:31.21 | schme | Azar: I switched off windows back at win 2.0 actually. And when I decided to visit the linux world I was on slackware for a couple of years (fvwm, from basically day one). And I've been on debian as my main system since '97. |
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| 16:31.56 | Azar | schme: well then do whatever you want to do. |
| 16:32.09 | Ronin | aadil: where? |
| 16:32.26 | schme | Azar: Ya. Why would I do anything any other way? :) |
| 16:32.47 | Azar | isn't there a way to limit the number / sec of join/part so we can stop the autojoins going wild? |
| 16:32.50 | aadil | Ronin, some friend of mine told me to get my ninja squirrel horde - saything that there was an ubuntu vs debian fight in here |
| 16:32.54 | aadil | so here i am |
| 16:32.59 | schme | Azar: It's not like I am not going to maintain debian systems, just not going to use it on my main computer. |
| 16:32.59 | redoverlord | schme, why refuse the ease of use of a GUI? |
| 16:33.05 | aadil | with the squirrels |
| 16:33.13 | schme | redoverlord: The what now? |
| 16:33.16 | Ronin | aadil: nope they lied to you, even when we were talking about ubuntu there was no fight, just a discussion |
| 16:33.30 | schme | redoverlord: Ya want a list? ;) |
| 16:33.40 | Azar | stew? |
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| 16:33.47 | aadil | Ronin, ok then - guess i'll hang around and participate too |
| 16:33.48 | aadil | :) |
| 16:34.10 | redoverlord | schme, u said "3 years on command line" |
| 16:34.10 | schme | redoverlord: using a mouse to control your computer is not very ergonomic, quick, or functional. |
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| 16:34.11 | schme | redoverlord: I said no such thing. |
| 16:34.12 | stew | Azar: the join rate is already set by +J |
| 16:34.15 | Azar | redoverlord: it was me |
| 16:34.25 | Azar | stew: ah, thanks |
| 16:34.26 | redoverlord | ooops |
| 16:34.31 | aadil | heh |
| 16:34.33 | redoverlord | must be those damn beers |
| 16:34.41 | stew | Azar: they are slowly getting klined |
| 16:34.42 | aadil | how much beer u had tonight redoverlord ? |
| 16:34.47 | redoverlord | holy beers actually |
| 16:34.49 | Azar | :) |
| 16:34.54 | schme | redoverlord: I do however spend 95% of my computer in ratpoison and emacs, and I don't own a mouse to start off with :D |
| 16:34.59 | redoverlord | right now? only 5 bottles |
| 16:35.23 | aadil | bottles? u mean the big ones? |
| 16:35.26 | aadil | or chopines? |
| 16:35.32 | vader-- | does anyone know how to remove/disable the afs3-fileserver |
| 16:35.32 | redoverlord | i tried playing quake without a mouse, but that lasted 10 secs |
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| 16:35.45 | schme | a vast majority of the debian systems I maintain don't have X installed to start off with.. so there is no GUI ;) |
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| 16:36.03 | schme | redoverlord: hehehehe |
| 16:36.11 | redoverlord | as far as servers are concerned i dont install X |
| 16:36.29 | aadil | servers dont need x |
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| 16:36.30 | redoverlord | but i hate to watch pr0n in ascii mode |
| 16:36.35 | Althaser | what generate /usr/src/rpm ?? please |
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| 16:36.45 | aadil | only some loving, stable kernel and a cold room |
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| 16:36.49 | aadil | that servers need |
| 16:36.54 | schme | only reason I have X installed on this machine is 'cause I *need* iceweasel. |
| 16:37.09 | aadil | heh |
| 16:37.10 | schme | For online banking once / month. |
| 16:37.20 | schme | darn bank that won't work with w3m >< |
| 16:37.45 | Ronin | Althaser: /rpm ? |
| 16:38.08 | redoverlord | for me its cos we need rdesktop to read our mails |
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| 16:38.56 | Althaser | Ronin I have a dir rpm under my /usr/src but I don't know what package created it :P |
| 16:39.19 | mindframe | anyone here use maradns? |
| 16:39.20 | eshaase | the time on my newly installed system seems to be off, how do i go about setting it permanently? |
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| 16:40.17 | Althaser | Ronin rpm has BUILD RPMS SOURCES SPECS SRPMS but they are all empty :P |
| 16:40.23 | jetscreamer | probably alien or rpm |
| 16:40.25 | stew | Althaser: you can try "dpkg -S usr/src/rpm" |
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| 16:40.45 | schme | rdesktop to read mails? |
| 16:40.53 | Althaser | stew I already did :) no results :P |
| 16:41.09 | stew | Althaser: someone use rpmbuild on there? |
| 16:41.17 | xenoborg | read mail really fast |
| 16:41.19 | holycow | what would be the line in hosts.allow to let a specific ip address in for ssh? sshd: 192.168.1.1/255.255.255.0 say? that doesn't seem to work for some reason |
| 16:41.27 | Althaser | no |
| 16:41.31 | schme | speaking of mail I found freepops last weekend. Marvelous. I can finally start using my hotmail account :) |
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| 16:41.44 | aadil | freepops? |
| 16:41.49 | redoverlord | office mails are read on outlook/exchange :( they removed postfix 2 years ago |
| 16:42.17 | aadil | heh, it must suck but use rdesktop on outlook |
| 16:42.21 | aadil | to* |
| 16:42.25 | aadil | :p |
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| 16:42.30 | stew | Althaser: the rpm package crates those (pager /var/lib/dpkg/info/rpm.list) |
| 16:42.31 | aadil | ;) |
| 16:42.45 | redoverlord | hah, as if aadil doues not do same :P |
| 16:42.46 | Kevin` | there's a linux client for outlook, forget what it's called, but it's a common name.. |
| 16:42.50 | numist | stew: as a followup, what about listing packages that were manually installed? |
| 16:43.03 | aadil | redoverlord, shhhh! |
| 16:43.06 | schme | aadil: It runs as a daemon and I connect to it with fetchmail and it gives me my hotmail mail. Like a "stupid web interface to pop3" gateway :) |
| 16:43.07 | petemc | Kevin`: evolution, but it just scrapes outlook web access aiui |
| 16:43.15 | stew | numist: what do you mean by manually? you mean not automatic (from aptitudes perspective) ? |
| 16:43.30 | aadil | no one must know that we're 1337 admins with 2 fat livers and lungs redoverlord |
| 16:43.31 | aadil | :p |
| 16:43.33 | numist | stew: exactly.. trying to build a minimal package list for a new installation |
| 16:43.44 | numist | from an existing installation |
| 16:43.53 | aadil | schme, ah oki |
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| 16:44.42 | stew | numist: iirc: aptitude search "~i~A" |
| 16:44.49 | stew | numist: oh that's probably backwards |
| 16:44.52 | buscon | Hi, I need to run base-config sarge command, how can I do it in etch? |
| 16:45.05 | Althaser | stew nice :) thanks a lot |
| 16:45.24 | stew | numist: aptitude search "!~A" |
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| 16:46.02 | schme | aadil: I got one years ago, never used it. and two weeks ago a friend called me and was pissed that I hadn't answered his email. >< |
| 16:46.10 | numist | stew: hm, thanks |
| 16:46.22 | numist | er hrm |
| 16:46.24 | stew | numist: i'm not positive on that one, you should consult the aptitude docs |
| 16:46.32 | numist | I'm not sure that's it.. I dont think I installed zope on my router |
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| 16:47.11 | aadil | schme, heh - while he called he could have talked about the things he mailed u about |
| 16:47.12 | aadil | :) |
| 16:47.12 | numist | ohh ~i!~M |
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| 16:47.53 | schme | aadil: Ya. If it was all that important in the first place he should have used the email account I actually USE too >< |
| 16:47.56 | numist | hrm, that can't be it either... |
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| 16:49.34 | xrxyz | I just bought an HP a1730n and you cant put a hard drive in it, and I dont think you can boot from a USB port. |
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| 16:49.58 | xrxyz | Can it be possible that you cant boot from a USB port on a brand new HP? |
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| 16:50.28 | Azar | boot what? |
| 16:50.29 | schme | xrxyz: Did you check the BIOS settings? |
| 16:50.39 | redoverlord | xrxyz, check th ebios |
| 16:50.58 | redoverlord | normally u can even boot via the eth0 |
| 16:51.12 | xrxyz | I think there is a net boot |
| 16:51.24 | aadil | (praise teh lord) |
| 16:51.32 | aadil | :) |
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| 16:51.42 | xrxyz | I looked in the bios settings and I could not find anything. |
| 16:52.02 | Azar | primary boot device? |
| 16:52.03 | redoverlord | was mardi gras yesterday aadil. so ideas are rushing in :P |
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| 16:52.30 | xrxyz | It is not very friendly to LInux if you cant add a hd or boot from a USB port. |
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| 16:52.47 | schme | xrxyz: Why can't you add a HD? |
| 16:52.55 | xrxyz | there is no space |
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| 16:53.08 | aadil | heh |
| 16:53.10 | xrxyz | I checked that out. |
| 16:53.20 | valdyn | xrxyz: space? what'd you need space for? |
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| 16:53.22 | xrxyz | None of the HPs at Best Buy can take a second HD |
| 16:53.24 | schme | How about the 320GB one that is in there? |
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| 16:53.27 | valdyn | xrxyz: leave the case open for install? |
| 16:53.37 | Azar | xrxyz: if you bought a brand new HP you should call them HP and smack them |
| 16:53.38 | xrxyz | U need a space to put the HD |
| 16:53.40 | schme | debian fits on 320GB I am sure! |
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| 16:54.14 | valdyn | maybe that hp box is for etch+10 |
| 16:54.33 | xrxyz | Also there is only one SATA connection |
| 16:54.44 | valdyn | xrxyz: and no cdrom drive? |
| 16:54.57 | xrxyz | THere is a CDROM drive |
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| 16:55.15 | Azar | his BIOS does not reveal him the boot devices ? |
| 16:55.17 | redoverlord | burn the iso and put it in the dvdrom |
| 16:55.29 | schme | dvd reader and 320GB harddrive. it sounds debian friendly |
| 16:55.30 | xrxyz | PUtting in a second HD would be a complete pain in the ass. |
| 16:56.03 | redoverlord | remove the dvdrom, use the ide cable and connect it to the second hdd |
| 16:56.08 | xrxyz | I need the computer for windows |
| 16:56.15 | valdyn | geez |
| 16:56.16 | schme | oh |
| 16:56.35 | xrxyz | So it aint very Debian friendly. |
| 16:56.35 | Azar | :) |
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| 16:56.44 | redoverlord | u need 320GB for windows? |
| 16:56.48 | xrxyz | If I just used the computer for Debian, no problem. |
| 16:57.00 | schme | so shrink the 320gb partition to 1-2 gb or whatever windows needs these days. |
| 16:57.11 | xrxyz | I dont want to partition the HD |
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| 16:57.19 | ebw | hi |
| 16:57.22 | valdyn | !rube goldberg install |
| 16:57.22 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 16:57.31 | xrxyz | That is not the optimal solution |
| 16:57.33 | redoverlord | windows can read a 320GB partition? |
| 16:57.58 | xrxyz | I am buying a new stinking computer, I should be able to get what I want at Best Buy. |
| 16:57.58 | Azar | xrxyz: do you have windows installed on that HP? |
| 16:58.00 | schme | But you want to run linux on a usb stick? |
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| 16:58.18 | xrxyz | I wanted to add a second HD |
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| 16:58.30 | Azar | bah |
| 16:58.33 | xrxyz | But that is not possible with any of the HPs at Best Buy. |
| 16:58.46 | schme | are there no free pci card slots either? |
| 16:58.50 | xrxyz | Vista is installed |
| 16:58.54 | redoverlord | i guess xrxyz will be stuck with some livecd |
| 16:58.56 | Azar | xrxyz: buy a barebone kit and build the PC the way you want it |
| 16:59.00 | xrxyz | I have a dual boot computer now |
| 16:59.03 | ebw | I've installed debian with the desktop task and after logging in gnome pops up. Can I make the System -> Systemadministration -> users and groups thing use sudo? |
| 16:59.14 | xrxyz | That is a pain in the ass |
| 16:59.15 | schme | xrxyz: buy a scsi card and an external hd. |
| 16:59.33 | xrxyz | That might be an idea |
| 16:59.43 | xrxyz | will it boot form SCSI? |
| 16:59.46 | redoverlord | xrxyz, vmware boy |
| 17:00.03 | schme | xrxyz: that really depends on your scsi card :) |
| 17:00.12 | Flimzy | xrxyz: any (good) SCSI Card has its own BIOS that allows it to boot from an attached device |
| 17:00.22 | valdyn | i cant imagine how this mini tower cant have space for 2 harddisks |
| 17:00.36 | xrxyz | It dont |
| 17:00.42 | redoverlord | pfff, even a mac has space |
| 17:00.43 | Flimzy | xrxyz: what model of PC is it? |
| 17:00.55 | xrxyz | There is no spot for the HD to fit securely |
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| 17:01.03 | xrxyz | a1730n |
| 17:01.07 | xrxyz | Brand stinking new |
| 17:01.12 | schme | http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/store_access.do?template_type=product_detail&product_code=RK574AA%23ABA&jumpid=oc_R1002_USENC-001_HP%20Pavilion%20a1730n%20Desktop%20PC&lang=en&cc=us the a1730n |
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| 17:01.28 | schme | sorry about the long url |
| 17:01.48 | valdyn | xrxyz: isnt your problem that you just have no frame to build your harddisk into one of the 2 free 5 1/4 inch slots? |
| 17:02.06 | schme | xrxyz: You could call HP support and ask 'em if the machine lets you boot from a usb harddrive. |
| 17:02.13 | xrxyz | I have one free 5 1/4 spot |
| 17:02.22 | Flimzy | schme: or find out just by trying... or looking in the bios |
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| 17:02.43 | schme | Flimzy: We have already suggested checking the bios ;) |
| 17:02.46 | xrxyz | I had HP on the internet last night, and the guy said you couldnt |
| 17:02.52 | xrxyz | But he may have been a nitwit. |
| 17:02.59 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Have you tried? |
| 17:03.10 | schme | nitwits working the support?! REALLY?! |
| 17:03.27 | valdyn | hah |
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| 17:03.46 | bigup_hpc | hi all |
| 17:04.03 | schme | The hp site could tell you what motherboard was in the machine and all, but no - let's not do that. |
| 17:04.08 | Flimzy | xrxyz: So what exactly is your problem anyway? |
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| 17:04.35 | xrxyz | I want to add a second device to run linux |
| 17:04.42 | jetscreamer | couldn't smart boot manager boot the usb stick? |
| 17:04.49 | Flimzy | xrxyz: So is it that you need more HD space... or you just want to dual boot? |
| 17:04.49 | xrxyz | Preferrably without messing with the mbr of the main HD |
| 17:04.51 | redoverlord | xrxyz, why not resize ur partitions? |
| 17:04.57 | Flimzy | xrxyz: b/c it's very trivial to dual boot on a single HD. |
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| 17:05.11 | xrxyz | IT is not so trivial |
| 17:05.15 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Even with a second HD you would have to mess with the mbr |
| 17:05.22 | redoverlord | u got a 320 GB hdd |
| 17:05.27 | Flimzy | xrxyz: It is trival. I do it in my sleep all day long with my hands tied behind my back. |
| 17:05.29 | jetscreamer | resize partitions BAD |
| 17:05.32 | redoverlord | i have a 18 GB hdd |
| 17:05.35 | Flimzy | jetscreamer: bs |
| 17:05.42 | jetscreamer | bad bad bad |
| 17:05.49 | bigup_hpc | has somebody had this problem ? when i keep pressing a key on my keyboard the cursors stop moving : all key do that but not ctr or compose key..... debian unstable kernel 2.6.20 xorg 7.1 |
| 17:05.49 | jetscreamer | well, can be |
| 17:05.52 | xrxyz | Why would I have to mess with the MBR with a second HD? |
| 17:05.57 | Flimzy | My first Linux install was on a 386DX/40 with 4mb RAM, and 170mb HD, tri-booting DOS 6.2, OS/2 Warp, and Linux. |
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| 17:06.06 | Flimzy | xrxyz: So you can boot. duh |
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| 17:06.17 | bigup_hpc | very strange... |
| 17:06.22 | jetscreamer | you would mess with the mbr on the boot drive |
| 17:06.27 | Flimzy | xrxyz: There's a reason MBR stands for master BOOT record |
| 17:06.27 | xrxyz | What happens if the HD goes bad? |
| 17:06.33 | redoverlord | FliesLikeABrick, he would go into bios each time to change boot order |
| 17:06.34 | jetscreamer | theoretically, unless you like used a boot floppy |
| 17:06.34 | Flimzy | xrxyz: then you lose your data. |
| 17:06.42 | xrxyz | Not if you have a second HD |
| 17:06.53 | Azar | xrxyz: might be this? http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37774 |
| 17:06.59 | Flimzy | xrxyz: If you have a second HD, you still have to tell the MBR to boot from the second drive. |
| 17:07.00 | jetscreamer | everybody should have 3 hd's |
| 17:07.00 | redoverlord | MBR goes, u boot with a livecd |
| 17:07.02 | schme | It is just the mbr.. big deal. |
| 17:07.03 | PupenoR | Is there some nice Debian livecd to do maintainance? the install cds can be used, but the shell is limited, I mean, there are not a lot of programs in it. And running another distro like Ubuntu may not be the best due to version missmatch of tools (like mdadm). |
| 17:07.10 | Flimzy | xrxyz: So you change the MBR on the primary drive, and tell it to load Linux from the secondary drive. |
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| 17:07.17 | xrxyz | I think you tell the bios to do that |
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| 17:07.24 | schme | PupenoR: debian from scratch maybe ? |
| 17:07.31 | jetscreamer | PupenoR: kanotix works, but it's a full on live cd (700mb +/-) |
| 17:07.32 | redoverlord | finnix, gentoo, even the netinstall deb |
| 17:07.36 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Sure. But then you have the 2nd drive's MBR telling to boot Windows from the 1st drive. Same thing. |
| 17:07.39 | xrxyz | That is suboptimal |
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| 17:07.49 | Flimzy | PupenoR: You could probably use Ubuntu or knoppix, but don't ask us for support :) |
| 17:07.58 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 17:07.59 | jetscreamer | #kanotix |
| 17:07.59 | dpkg | it has been said that livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 17:08.01 | abrotman | yay! |
| 17:08.06 | redoverlord | some silly question xrxyz : why do u need vista? |
| 17:08.10 | abrotman | !u |
| 17:08.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:08.14 | redoverlord | to simulate beryl? |
| 17:08.17 | Flimzy | xrxyz: I think it's time for you to stop being difficult and either accept one of our suggestions, or decide it's impossible. Either way, we can't help you any more. |
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| 17:08.28 | schme | How is changing the MBR suboptimal? Seems a lot nicer than setting BIOS options when you want to switch OS :) |
| 17:08.38 | xrxyz | I should be able to go to Best Buy and get an optimal Linux setup |
| 17:08.39 | jetscreamer | xrxyz: fyi, what you want to do is simple... just daunting. |
| 17:08.50 | jetscreamer | you can at fry's, but it's lindows |
| 17:08.56 | jetscreamer | err linspire |
| 17:08.58 | PupenoR | jetscreamer: full live cd is ok. Although one that starts, asks for IPs, starts sshd and drops into a shell or something like that. |
| 17:09.02 | redoverlord | optimal install : done by urself |
| 17:09.03 | xrxyz | I have had at least 4 dual boot computers |
| 17:09.04 | schme | shrinking a windows partition is no pain, changing the MBR is no pain. |
| 17:09.07 | schme | hehe. |
| 17:09.09 | PupenoR | jetscreamer: is kanotix 100% debian sarge? |
| 17:09.10 | xrxyz | It is not the optimal setup. |
| 17:09.14 | PupenoR | Flimzy: that I don't want. |
| 17:09.18 | jetscreamer | PupenoR: no it's like 99.99 debian sid |
| 17:09.22 | Azar | jetscreamer: is now called linbutu |
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| 17:09.33 | jetscreamer | PupenoR: but it will do what you said (boot options) |
| 17:09.38 | redoverlord | why u think the guy at bestbuy would give u optimal install? |
| 17:09.39 | jetscreamer | Azar: yeah i read about that |
| 17:09.41 | schme | I agree that dual booting is not optimal. Of course I very seldom reboot anyway. |
| 17:09.42 | xrxyz | It is also a bit of a pain in the ass |
| 17:09.46 | redoverlord | optimal depends on u and ur needs |
| 17:09.58 | PupenoR | jetscreamer: yes, but I'd be afraid of breaking something due to version diferences. |
| 17:10.03 | Azar | honorables, please start using "you" instead of "u" |
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| 17:10.29 | schme | Azar: please start yousing ? :) |
| 17:10.31 | Azar | ..makes the reading more pleasant |
| 17:10.50 | redoverlord | u makes the typing more pleasant :P |
| 17:10.52 | Ronin | !u |
| 17:10.52 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:11.33 | hkn | does anyone have any experience setting up a hardware raid? the netinstall cd is not detecting my raid array |
| 17:11.45 | schme | If typing you is a pain you needs to switch right over to dvorak. |
| 17:12.37 | schme | xrxyz: Just try booting from a usb harddrive. |
| 17:12.40 | VImtermute | !ne1 |
| 17:12.40 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 17:12.43 | Flimzy | Are there any real-time tools that can tell me the current speed of a Xeon processor? I'm curious if this processor is being throttled slower due to thermal issues or something |
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| 17:12.58 | VImtermute | !wud |
| 17:12.58 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 17:13.04 | cahoot | dmidecod? |
| 17:13.05 | cahoot | e |
| 17:13.39 | Azar | hkn: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 17:14.25 | cahoot | Flimzy: dmidecode seems to display the current cpu speed |
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| 17:14.45 | Flimzy | cahoot: thanks |
| 17:16.09 | Flimzy | Can anyone tell me what the pgfault value in /proc/vmstat means? Is it bad that that number is growing? |
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| 17:16.19 | hkn | Azar, this is for sata raid, this computer has a hardware raid controller, its a dell poweredge 6400 |
| 17:16.31 | hkn | Azar, scsi raid |
| 17:16.34 | Azar | ah.. |
| 17:17.15 | hkn | Azar, it says no partitionable media were found |
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| 17:17.29 | hkn | and fdisk -l replys with nothing |
| 17:17.43 | Azar | hkn: thats an old one.. |
| 17:18.49 | redoverlord | hkn: lspci |
| 17:19.08 | redoverlord | find the scsi card model |
| 17:19.14 | redoverlord | then modprobe |
| 17:19.19 | Azar | hkn: see if this helps http://www.mail-archive.com/yoper-dev@lists.yoper.com/msg00492.html |
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| 17:19.25 | redoverlord | sda will appear |
| 17:19.26 | hkn | redoverlord, Azar how do i run lspci off the netinst disk, it says /bin/sh lspci not found |
| 17:19.39 | bzed | hkn: get some live cd |
| 17:19.47 | bzed | like the debian live cd or knoppix |
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| 17:20.01 | Azar | hkn: maybe the Debian Etch will help more.. |
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| 17:20.25 | Azar | Debian Sarge / the stable might not have the kernel that supports your raid |
| 17:20.51 | hkn | Azar, this is going to hold our webserver and database everyone wants debian or ubuntu on it, and a stable version to boot |
| 17:20.55 | redoverlord | hkn, have u created the array in the scsi bios? |
| 17:21.00 | hkn | redoverlord, yes |
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| 17:21.10 | stew | hkn: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 ; /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.19 |
| 17:21.15 | redoverlord | raid 0+1 i guess |
| 17:21.24 | hkn | redoverlord, i have a logical disk 0, gentoo found it just fine and partitioned it, raid 5 |
| 17:21.46 | redoverlord | oki, then use the non net-install debian cd |
| 17:22.14 | redoverlord | gentoo found what with lspci? |
| 17:22.27 | stew | redoverlord: why would he use the non net-install over the net-install? |
| 17:22.56 | redoverlord | nost same modules present stew |
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| 17:23.15 | redoverlord | :/s/nost/not |
| 17:23.16 | hkn | ok let me go burn a copy of the livecd |
| 17:23.32 | hkn | redoverlord, i don't think that works in irc:) |
| 17:23.46 | redoverlord | it works: u understood |
| 17:24.04 | Ronin | redoverlord: you ircing from a blackberry or cell phone? |
| 17:24.19 | redoverlord | niet: deb etch |
| 17:24.37 | stew | redoverlord: the netinst and the non-netinst use the same kernel |
| 17:24.53 | hkn | stew, i think its just the packages included on the cd that differ |
| 17:24.56 | Ronin | with a full keyboard i trust? make it easy on us old farts and use all the keys ;) |
| 17:25.27 | hkn | brb |
| 17:25.30 | stew | hkn: correct. you need an installer with a newer kernel. kmuto provides them |
| 17:25.42 | redoverlord | except that my esc key is not working :( and the kbd is filled with beer |
| 17:25.44 | loca|host | anyone know how to install informix ? |
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| 17:26.40 | beggi9 | http://bestofoss.googlepages.com |
| 17:26.57 | Azar | beggi9: not here please |
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| 17:27.35 | redoverlord | oki stew. not expert. hkn , gentoo says what regarding scsi/raid with lspci? |
| 17:28.06 | ghort | anyone with good iproute knowledge to help me with a source address selection problem ? |
| 17:28.24 | stew | ghort: try us |
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| 17:29.12 | ghort | fine, I've got a table with this only rule : default via 192.168.182.1 dev eth0 src 192.168.182.201 |
| 17:29.26 | ghort | IP address of eth0 is 192.168.182.201 |
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| 17:30.11 | ghort | only some packets (fw-marked in iptables output chain) go through that table ... |
| 17:30.20 | ebw | What's the difference between nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy packages? |
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| 17:30.45 | redoverlord | legacy is for those with the mx400 stuffs i guess |
| 17:30.49 | ghort | the problem is that marked packet are sent through the right interface, but with the wrong source IP address... |
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| 17:31.05 | stew | ghort: you can SNAT it on the way out |
| 17:31.16 | redoverlord | iptables -L -n ? |
| 17:31.36 | ghort | sure, it worked fine SNATING it ... but isn't SNAT a bit of overkill for locally generated packets ? |
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| 17:31.52 | stew | ghort: dunno. its what I ended up doing |
| 17:32.04 | ghort | you had similar problem ? |
| 17:32.08 | stew | yes |
| 17:32.15 | stew | ghort: you can see if anyone is home in #lartc |
| 17:32.21 | ghort | redoverlord, you want me to iptables -L -n, or you are talking to someone else ? |
| 17:32.35 | ghort | nobody's there ... already checked thanks |
| 17:33.08 | stew | i don't see what the filter table would have to do with anything |
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| 17:33.30 | ghort | exactly ... as mine is empty |
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| 17:33.41 | stew | ghort: hmm, though looking at my current firewall script, the SNAT lines are commented out |
| 17:33.56 | ebw | How can I tell aptitude to use sudo instead of su? |
| 17:34.13 | redoverlord | wrong window ghort sorry |
| 17:34.30 | ghort | np |
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| 17:34.49 | Killingfrost | hi |
| 17:35.07 | ghort | stew, hmmm where was that documented ;-P ? |
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| 17:35.17 | Killingfrost | I am having some difficulties installing a Debian unstable via PXE. |
| 17:35.17 | stew | !split access |
| 17:35.17 | dpkg | well, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 17:35.18 | limpio | hi all, i put a cd with images and typed: $ mount /cdrom, saw the images, but now i can unmount the cd rom, i tried umount /cdrom as user and root. Can somebody tell me how to unmount the cd? |
| 17:35.20 | stew | perhaps |
| 17:35.20 | mike-e | !java |
| 17:35.20 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 17:35.24 | rahul | ebw: hmm, does it use su or does it use PAM? |
| 17:36.08 | Killingfrost | it boot fine but when I reach the base system install , gpg tells me it doesnt have the public key matching the mirror |
| 17:36.21 | stew | Killingfrost: /msg dpkg etch key |
| 17:36.28 | ebw | rahul: don't know. Have * in shadow for root password and aptitude complains about "subprocess quitting right password?" or something like this. Sudo works for me. |
| 17:36.37 | stew | Killingfrost: or use a newer installer, the etch rc1 installer is known to be broken in this regard |
| 17:36.44 | pumpkin0 | limpio: "lsof | grep /cdrom" => kill all processes that still use the dir or any file in or below it. |
| 17:36.59 | rahul | ebw: *? strange. |
| 17:37.04 | Killingfrost | ok |
| 17:37.25 | ebw | rahul: I wanted to deactivate my root account, so I can only do administrative tasks with sudo. |
| 17:37.27 | limpio | pumpkin0, thx i'll do that |
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| 17:37.58 | rahul | ebw: but then sudo wouldn't require a password |
| 17:38.16 | rahul | that defeats the purpose of not allowing remote root login |
| 17:38.25 | ebw | rahul: huh? Sudo ask for the password of the user calling it? |
| 17:38.37 | rahul | your user now effectively has the permissions of root |
| 17:38.38 | ebw | rahul: so sudo ask not for the root password |
| 17:38.50 | ebw | rahul: no |
| 17:38.57 | rahul | you have only one password protecting you from remote root login |
| 17:39.03 | rahul | with a normal setup, you have two. |
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| 17:39.15 | stew | with a normal setup you have one |
| 17:39.15 | ebw | rahul: hmm. |
| 17:39.27 | rahul | stew: uh, no |
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| 17:39.38 | bzed | or better: you have only one password that protects your system from intruders whhich want to become root |
| 17:39.41 | rahul | ssh normally disallows root login |
| 17:39.41 | stew | oh, two if you disallow remote root login |
| 17:39.47 | rahul | yeah |
| 17:39.47 | stew | rahul: not in debian |
| 17:39.51 | rahul | eh? |
| 17:40.03 | bzed | with 2 passwords, you need your user passwd and the root passwd |
| 17:40.05 | ebw | rahul: my user is in /etc/sudoers and my root password is set to * in shadow to disable direct logins as root. |
| 17:40.05 | stew | rahul: a stock sshd configuration allows root login in debian |
| 17:40.13 | rahul | holy shit |
| 17:40.15 | bzed | and yes, root login is allowed in debian. why not :) |
| 17:40.28 | ebw | rahul: my problem was: How can I make aptitude use sudo ... |
| 17:40.29 | rahul | thanks for bringing that to my attention |
| 17:40.33 | limpio | pumpkin0, it didn't work, i typed as root: lsof | grep /cdrom |
| 17:40.39 | bzed | rahul: where's the problem? |
| 17:40.50 | rahul | ebw: your user is now a direct login as root, effectively |
| 17:40.59 | ebw | ok |
| 17:41.09 | limpio | pumpkin0, it gave an arrow > but i don't know what else to put there :( |
| 17:41.11 | rahul | bzed: it's one less layer of security around my system |
| 17:41.22 | ghort | stew, from the first URL ... could you tell me the purpose of this rule: ip rule add from $ip1 table T0 |
| 17:41.26 | bzed | rahul: if your root password is weak enough to make sure somebody can figure it out within a minute... your own fault. if somebody can try passwords for longer than a few secods... again: your own fault... |
| 17:41.37 | ghort | stew, (http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets) |
| 17:41.43 | ebw | rahul: but thats better than being root, as I have to call sudo and so I'm aware of the great responsibility. |
| 17:41.51 | ebw | No can someone help with aptitude |
| 17:42.10 | bzed | ebw: you could jsut start ti with sudo aptitude |
| 17:42.19 | pumpkin0 | limpio: exit the >-prompt (ESC) and retype that. Do not use anything special like " or *. |
| 17:42.31 | stew | ghort: iirc that says, "if the traffic came in via ip1, route it out via table T0" |
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| 17:42.57 | ebw | bzep: but as aptitude has this "Getting root?" thing, there must be some possibility to tell aptitude how to become root? |
| 17:43.14 | limpio | pumpkin0, exit and retype: lsof | grep /cdrom ??? |
| 17:43.25 | ghort | stew, I got that, but as table T0 is only used for packets going from local to ip1, I can't understand the use |
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| 17:43.31 | pumpkin0 | limpio: yes. |
| 17:43.39 | hkn | ok i have a debian live cd |
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| 17:43.50 | hkn | booting up with the cd |
| 17:44.29 | holycow | i have someone logged in via ssh to a box ... as am i. how do i watch they commands they are running again? |
| 17:45.25 | pumpkin0 | holycow: "ps aux". Or "w". |
| 17:45.37 | stew | holycow: install snoopy (unless you are on a amd64 where it is horribly broken) and tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
| 17:45.51 | bzed | ebw: I think you'll have to edit ui.cc in the source |
| 17:45.56 | holycow | ah okay |
| 17:45.57 | holycow | danke |
| 17:46.34 | limpio | pumpkin0, i did it, it took me back to the promt, i tried ejecting the cd, but no dice, tried as user and got this error: lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 17:46.34 | limpio | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.52 | ebw | bzed: thanks |
| 17:46.59 | ebw | bzed: will use sudo aptitude |
| 17:47.10 | bzed | ahve fun doing it the ubuntu way ;) |
| 17:47.35 | redoverlord | time to crash in |
| 17:47.48 | limpio | pumpkin0, if i shutdown the system can i get the cd out? or reboot? |
| 17:48.05 | ebw | bzed: I'm changing from ubuntu to debian, but there are a few points I liked better in ubuntu, like that sudo thing ;-) |
| 17:48.14 | pumpkin0 | limpio: the stat-error is OK, the other thing is strange. Do you have any consoles open that are still inside the /cdrom-dir ? (did you type \cdrom or /cdrom ?) |
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| 17:48.45 | limpio | pumpkin0, /cdrom |
| 17:48.45 | bzed | ebw: well, you had to use sudo aptitude in ubuntu, too ;) |
| 17:48.51 | stew | ghort: i believe it is to make sure that traffic that came in via ip1 goes back out via t0 |
| 17:49.09 | bzed | ebw: actually I don;t like the ubuntu way, because there's only one passowrd for root--stuff and for the stuff you do as user. |
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| 17:50.40 | bzed | ebw: but it's not a problem to allow that sudo stuff in debian... |
| 17:50.40 | pumpkin0 | limpio: OK, that is right. what does "fuser /cdrom" (w/o the quotes) say ? |
| 17:50.40 | jdhoreotg | does anyone know how to convert a NTFS partition back to FAT32 in any OS? |
| 17:50.40 | ghort | stew, ok, that rule is the only difference with my setup ... I'm going to set a similar rule to see if things are better with it |
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| 17:50.41 | bzed | jdhoreotg: backup the data, format it, play the data back |
| 17:50.41 | jdhoreotg | i can't |
| 17:50.41 | jdhoreotg | it's a 750GB drive |
| 17:50.46 | ebw | bzed: In the actual ubuntu you don't have to do sudo aptitude. aptitude did sudo for you with becoming root |
| 17:50.48 | jdhoreotg | i have nowhere i can back all that data up to |
| 17:50.51 | pumpkin0 | jdhoreotg: and you are sure about the FAT32 ... |
| 17:50.54 | bzed | ebw: ah ok |
| 17:51.18 | limpio | pumpkin0, it takes me back to the prompt, i did this as user and root |
| 17:51.25 | bzed | jdhoreotg: fat won't work on a 750 GB partition |
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| 17:51.30 | ebw | bzed: you have to know so many passwords nowaday, I'm glad abadoning one. :-) |
| 17:51.32 | jdhoreotg | i want full write support in Linux and NTFS#G and CaptiveNTFS don't work for me |
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| 17:51.37 | ghort | no luck ... |
| 17:51.41 | bzed | ebw: lol, just use the same for both |
| 17:52.01 | pumpkin0 | bzed: FAT32 can do 750GB, but it loses a lot of space ... |
| 17:52.02 | ebw | bzed: Is that your gain in security :-d |
| 17:52.13 | bzed | pumpkin0: sure? then windows doesn;t support it... there's some issue with it |
| 17:52.20 | ebw | bye |
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| 17:52.27 | hkn | what good is this livecd |
| 17:52.28 | ranpha | Guys what does the clock has to do with downloading packages of internet in the installer. Network works and is downloading (it already downloaded some arm packages) but now i get a error that the servers are ALL not working., can anybody help me a bit? |
| 17:52.30 | bzed | ebw: no, but it's not less secure than having a sudo with your user's password |
| 17:52.41 | pumpkin0 | bzed: windows is limited artifically because redmod wants to bost NTFS. |
| 17:52.50 | jdhoreotg | well...if i have to make 2 partitions, i'd be fine with that, but as it stands, i'd really like it as FAT32 |
| 17:52.52 | bzed | pumpkin0: that could be :) |
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| 17:53.01 | bzed | jdhoreotg: I think the limit is @ 120GB or so |
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| 17:53.25 | jdhoreotg | crap |
| 17:53.33 | bzed | jdhoreotg: I'm fine with an ext3 partition... I mount them in windows if I need to |
| 17:54.03 | jdhoreotg | i'd be fine with EXT3 as well...if i could convert a NTFS part to it |
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| 17:54.17 | abrotman | hahah |
| 17:54.20 | jdhoreotg | i REALLY don't want to lose the data on that drive |
| 17:54.22 | jelly | jdhoreotg: ext2 works fine with www.fs-driver.org driver for me. ext3 less so |
| 17:54.26 | bzed | http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
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| 17:54.32 | pumpkin0 | bzed, jdhoreotg: maximal volume size for FAT32 is 8TB. Windows can mount 1TB FAT32 partitions, but it cannot format them. |
| 17:54.33 | bzed | well exatclty :D |
| 17:54.52 | pumpkin0 | jdhoreotg: important data is always backuped. at least twice. |
| 17:54.54 | stew | jdhoreotg: refomat and restore the data from backup |
| 17:54.59 | jelly | bzed: beware, that driver doesn't support all the features of ext3 |
| 17:55.03 | bzed | pumpkin0: I don't trust windows with that, I've seen too many issues :\ |
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| 17:55.14 | bzed | jelly: i know, tell jdhoreotg |
| 17:55.23 | p3rti | hi |
| 17:55.27 | jelly | bzed: ok, I did |
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| 17:56.19 | hkn | redoverlord, you still around? |
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| 17:58.30 | hkn | Azar, you around? |
| 17:58.55 | flum | hi! how to open the X config program that the installer uses? |
| 17:59.14 | ghort | ok, thanks stew |
| 17:59.43 | cahoot | flum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or xfree86) -plow |
| 17:59.51 | hkn | stew, the livecd didnt help much |
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| 18:00.04 | flum | thanks |
| 18:00.20 | stew | hkn: which? did you try the installers i pointed you to? |
| 18:00.33 | flum | any way to get copy pasting to work between host and qemu? (probably wrong place to ask..) =) |
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| 18:00.39 | hkn | stew, the 2.6.18 kernel/ |
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| 18:01.20 | flum | dpkg-reconfigure:command not found |
| 18:01.24 | stew | hkn: i don't know what you are talking about |
| 18:01.26 | stew | flum: as root |
| 18:01.30 | flum | ah =) |
| 18:02.10 | hkn | stew, oh the kmuto no not yet, i was away burning a debian livecd that was a waste of a disk:) |
| 18:03.22 | stew | hkn: which livecd? |
| 18:03.29 | stew | hkn: did it recognize your raid controller? |
| 18:03.45 | stew | hkn: can you put the output of "lspci -n" into a pastebin? |
| 18:03.49 | hkn | Stew no |
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| 18:04.15 | hkn | stew, it didn't have lpsci i am booting with gentoo to get lspci |
| 18:04.26 | stew | which livecd? |
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| 18:05.31 | hkn | it was the debianlive one |
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| 18:06.21 | hkn | stew, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 18:07.03 | stew | !which driver |
| 18:07.03 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 18:07.16 | stew | hkn: ^^^ see if that turns up anything |
| 18:07.47 | plundra | Hmm, how do I add more 'md' devs? (using etch with udev etc) |
| 18:07.53 | loca|host | what do you recommand me setting up a backup server ? should it have mountable partitions over ssh ? nfs ? or ftp connection ? same thing for logging server |
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| 18:08.01 | Flimzy | Does 'dmidecode' report the _actual_ CPU speed? i.e. if the CPU speed is throttled for powersaving or due to heat, will it show the throttled speed? |
| 18:08.07 | rahul | plundra: mdadm |
| 18:08.19 | plundra | rahul: Oh |
| 18:08.27 | Azar | stew, now that woody is archived, say I install Woody base with my CD, the rest of the packages won't be installed? what should the sources be pointing at? |
| 18:08.32 | plundra | rahul: I figured it wanted the devs already there :-) |
| 18:08.37 | hkn | stew, checking |
| 18:08.54 | rahul | plundra: well, no... if you're creating them, they wouldn't be there with a dynamic /dev :P |
| 18:09.06 | plundra | rahul: :-] Worked great, thanks |
| 18:09.19 | flum | i just installed deb 3.1r4.. i guess im using stable mirrors.. but what ive heard debian, unless using testing repos, is old and stale.. how to change? |
| 18:09.45 | abrotman | !tell flum about sarge->etch |
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| 18:10.14 | rahul | we grow become the brightest / fight the orbits as they drive us / we grow become the brightest / lost in wisdom |
| 18:10.29 | flum | thanks |
| 18:10.36 | stew | Azar: your sources should be pointing at sarge :) (or http://archive.debian.org/ if you must) |
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| 18:11.06 | Azar | stew: cool, thanks :) |
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| 18:11.33 | abrotman | Azar: have you used another installer besides the woody installer ? |
| 18:11.34 | warlock | how to see all ports that are currently being used? |
| 18:11.42 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 18:11.42 | dpkg | from memory, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 18:11.44 | Azar | abrotman: no :) |
| 18:11.50 | abrotman | Azar: you really should |
| 18:12.13 | warlock | how to see all ports that are currently being used? |
| 18:12.21 | Azar | abrotman: I tried the sarge installer back when it just came out on CD and it did not work... stumbled on partitions |
| 18:12.23 | abrotman | Azar: you're providing help to people based on your experience with an installer that most haven't used in three years |
| 18:12.31 | abrotman | !tell warlock about open ports |
| 18:12.49 | Azar | abrotman: I am waiting for the Etch CD installer to come out so I can try it |
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| 18:13.17 | Azar | abrotman: I got a brand new PC bought in July 2006 sitting under my desk special for that Etch installer |
| 18:13.24 | loca|host | what is a hard mount and a soft mount ? |
| 18:13.26 | abrotman | Azar: so try it today .. use a daily |
| 18:13.44 | xrxyz | Can anyone here boot from a USB port on their computer? |
| 18:13.45 | abrotman | loca|host: well .. when two people love each other very much ... |
| 18:14.02 | abrotman | loca|host: 'man mount' doesn't say ? |
| 18:14.07 | Azar | abrotman: not sure if the existant Etch installer is complete.. the CD I mean |
| 18:14.10 | flum | a friend of mine also tipped me of the smart package manager, but i am not convinced. if it ware so great woudlt it be standard? is it worth using and what are the benefits? |
| 18:14.15 | abrotman | Azar: so what .. try a daily |
| 18:14.24 | Azar | a daily what? |
| 18:14.29 | abrotman | daily etch installer |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | they make daily builds |
| 18:14.54 | Azar | ah where is the site I can order from? |
| 18:14.54 | loca|host | abrotman, ok i see :) |
| 18:15.00 | abrotman | Azar: you can download it |
| 18:15.06 | Azar | :( pain |
| 18:15.07 | abrotman | Azar: use the netinst |
| 18:15.08 | xrxyz | Does anyone here ever boot from USB port? |
| 18:15.11 | abrotman | Azar: quit whining |
| 18:15.14 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 18:15.14 | dpkg | i heard usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 18:15.24 | stew | xrxyz: many people |
| 18:15.30 | h3sp4wn | flum: I have tried it - don't think its any better than aptitude (it is alot nicer to use than yum though) |
| 18:15.37 | Flimzy | Azar: I just installed Etch from CD 6 times yesterday. |
| 18:15.46 | Flimzy | Azar: and once today. |
| 18:15.48 | xrxyz | How come my brand new computer HP a1730n wont do that? |
| 18:15.50 | ranpha | what has clock settings have to do with downloading packages? |
| 18:15.56 | flum | h3sp4wn, ok thanks |
| 18:15.57 | Azar | Flimzy: I am not handy with burning CDs |
| 18:16.04 | Azar | that why I order them |
| 18:16.12 | Flimzy | xrxyz: I've booted from USB. Why won't your HP? B/c HP sucks maybe? |
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| 18:16.18 | abrotman | Azar: oh jeez .. get a friend to do it for you |
| 18:16.18 | stew | xrxyz: try http://hp.com/support |
| 18:16.21 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Or maybe your HP will and you don't know it? |
| 18:16.28 | h3sp4wn | flum: The feature whereby you can use packages for any distro I wouldn't want to try (so I didn't) |
| 18:16.40 | xrxyz | I thought HHP was LInux friendly |
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| 18:16.45 | xrxyz | That maybe. How to find out? |
| 18:16.49 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Try it. |
| 18:16.52 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Check the BIOS. |
| 18:16.55 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Check hp.com |
| 18:17.04 | Flimzy | xrxyz: Try any of the other 30 suggestions people here have given you. |
| 18:17.09 | xrxyz | Been there, did that |
| 18:17.11 | flum | h3sp4wn, yeah it feels like playin with fire in a wooden house |
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| 18:17.27 | xalbertox | Hi, is it posible to know what packages are installed with "X" sources? |
| 18:17.28 | Flimzy | xrxyz: I guess the only thing left to do, then, is to eat popcorn and whistle. |
| 18:17.28 | xalbertox | :-) |
| 18:17.39 | Flimzy | xalbertox: What are "X" sources? |
| 18:17.43 | stew | xalbertox: no |
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| 18:17.56 | xalbertox | Flimzy, Any source. |
| 18:18.04 | xrxyz | I have until Saturday to return the damn thing |
| 18:18.06 | xalbertox | stew, Is imposible? |
| 18:18.11 | stew | xalbertox: yes |
| 18:18.12 | Flimzy | xalbertox: So you want to know which binary packages are installed taht come from a said source pacakge? |
| 18:18.14 | JordiGH | xalbertox: Well, you can download the source yourself, compile it, and see what dotdebs it creates. |
| 18:18.14 | xrxyz | Anyone here use HP? |
| 18:18.18 | rahul | specific departments of HP are linux-friendsy |
| 18:18.20 | rahul | ly |
| 18:18.20 | xalbertox | Flimzy, çYes. |
| 18:18.24 | Flimzy | xalbertox: Or you want to know which binary packages are installed from which mirror? |
| 18:18.35 | jelly | xrxyz: HP what specifically? |
| 18:18.35 | rahul | xrxyz: is it an HP or a compaq? |
| 18:18.37 | stew | xalbertox: wait do you really mean "source package" or do you mean "repository" |
| 18:18.44 | xalbertox | Flimzy, Mirror source. |
| 18:18.51 | rahul | my god |
| 18:18.51 | JordiGH | xalbertox: There's also a way to know which dotdebs it creates by reading debian/rules, probably. I really should know this. :-/ |
| 18:18.51 | xalbertox | Repositories... |
| 18:18.53 | stew | xalbertox: no, that information is not recorded |
| 18:18.54 | xrxyz | HP a1730n |
| 18:18.56 | Flimzy | xalbertox: No, there's no way to know that. that info is not kept anywhere. |
| 18:18.57 | xalbertox | Ok. |
| 18:18.58 | xrxyz | Vista model |
| 18:19.08 | JordiGH | Oh, pfft. Never mind. |
| 18:19.09 | Flimzy | xrxyz: I have an HP at home. It works great. |
| 18:19.12 | rahul | reararded-ass firefox took THREE middle-clicks to register my paste |
| 18:19.16 | Flimzy | xrxyz: I have multiple hard drives in it, too. |
| 18:19.22 | xrxyz | Do you boot from USB? |
| 18:19.22 | rahul | I mean, assweasel. |
| 18:19.31 | xrxyz | I cant put multi HDs in this one |
| 18:19.42 | Flimzy | xrxyz: No, I boot from one of my multiple hard drives. |
| 18:19.45 | JordiGH | rahul: Or FireFucks. |
| 18:19.47 | xrxyz | None of the HPs at Best Buy will take a second HD |
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| 18:20.06 | Flimzy | What might account for a 96.6% idle CPU, but a load average of 8.22? |
| 18:20.17 | stew | xrxyz: i don't know how we are going to help you. it sounds like you need help from hp, or you need different hardware |
| 18:20.27 | LunarCrisis | can any one recommend a wifi access point / router that will work with debian and supports WPA |
| 18:20.29 | Flimzy | xrxyz: lies. |
| 18:20.32 | jelly | xrxyz: /me has no experience w/ HP desktop machine, but very good with their servers |
| 18:20.37 | xalbertox | Thanks Flimzy and stew |
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| 18:21.02 | xrxyz | I have never seen a computer before with no room for second hard drive |
| 18:21.05 | JordiGH | Flimzy: IEEE floating-point arithmetic. |
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| 18:21.13 | Flimzy | xrxyz: I have seen many. |
| 18:21.22 | xrxyz | How come people dont want second hard drives? |
| 18:21.23 | valdyn | Flimzy: network traffic |
| 18:21.37 | Flimzy | valdyn: network traffic itself will cause a high load average? |
| 18:21.41 | h3sp4wn | xrxyz: external s-ata is nice |
| 18:21.45 | h3sp4wn | (and fast) |
| 18:21.48 | valdyn | Flimzy: it can, yes |
| 18:21.54 | rahul | xrxyz: they don't know how to install one anyway |
| 18:22.01 | xrxyz | External SATA? |
| 18:22.20 | valdyn | Flimzy: load = number of processes waiting to do work |
| 18:22.20 | dr1v3r | guys what measure can i take on flooding of my servers? |
| 18:22.21 | Flimzy | valdyn: hrm. that could definately explain it then. |
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| 18:22.55 | rahul | dr1v3r: call your ISP |
| 18:23.00 | jelly | dr1v3r: depends on the type of the attack, the source, your provider... |
| 18:23.03 | Flimzy | dr1v3r: Build a levy? |
| 18:23.09 | rahul | heh |
| 18:23.21 | h3sp4wn | xrxyz: exactly as it sounds - still fast aswell |
| 18:23.41 | valdyn | dr1v3r: depends on the type of flood, there certainly is floods you cant do a thing about if you want your computer to stay reachable |
| 18:24.04 | Flimzy | wow, I have about 4 dozen FTP connections open for unknown reasons. |
| 18:24.16 | valdyn | ! |
| 18:24.24 | xrxyz | How do you add an external SATA? |
| 18:24.30 | Flimzy | xrxyz: You plug it in. |
| 18:24.38 | xrxyz | INto what? |
| 18:24.44 | Flimzy | xrxyz: the SATA port. |
| 18:24.58 | xrxyz | I dont have a stinking SATA port |
| 18:25.01 | valdyn | xrxyz: you put the disk into a sata enclosure and connect that enclosure to your usb or firewire port, usually |
| 18:25.14 | Flimzy | xrxyz: then you get one. |
| 18:25.25 | Flimzy | valdyn: that wouldn't be external SATA, tho. |
| 18:25.33 | valdyn | Flimzy: right |
| 18:25.36 | xrxyz | So the computer will need to boot from USB port? |
| 18:25.57 | valdyn | xrxyz: yea |
| 18:25.59 | flum | is there something in between stable and etch? so that i can get xfce4.4, k- & qemu, and not a horribly outdated system? |
| 18:26.18 | valdyn | flum: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 18:26.30 | xrxyz | I cant believe that my brand new stinking 2.4 gigaherts HP wont boot from a USB port |
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| 18:27.00 | valdyn | xrxyz: because companies benefit from stupid employees not booting their own shit? i don't know. |
| 18:27.01 | flum | valdyn, cool thanks =) |
| 18:27.01 | abrotman | whine to HP |
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| 18:27.11 | demio | hello |
| 18:27.14 | Flimzy | flum: backports. |
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| 18:27.29 | demio | do you guys know how to make linux write into hfs+ partS? |
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| 18:28.10 | flum | "All backports are deactivated by default" that sux.. any way to give that mirror higher priority? |
| 18:28.34 | JordiGH | flum: APT howto. You'll be interested in the section on keeping a mixed system. |
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| 18:29.03 | flum | kthx ill google apt howto |
| 18:29.19 | valdyn | flum: read the Instructions on backports.org |
| 18:30.00 | betegeuze | hi there - i try to burn a dvd with xcdroast. just downloaded the cdrecord-prodvd.rpm, aliened it, installed with dpkg and now the manual says: " copy the binary from "cdrecord" to "cdrecord.prodvd" which is quite unclear to me. can someone help? |
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| 18:30.14 | valdyn | flum: my god you are already there and you ask before reading those last 5 lines? |
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| 18:30.23 | JordiGH | betegeuze: Eh? Why are you using alien to burn a dvd? |
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| 18:30.33 | betegeuze | i didn |
| 18:30.34 | betegeuze | t |
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| 18:30.36 | flum | so APT::Default-Release "sarge-backports"; in sources.list would do the trick? |
| 18:30.37 | JordiGH | betegeuze: k3b has a friendlier interface than xcdroast. |
| 18:30.44 | JordiGH | flum: It should. |
| 18:30.47 | betegeuze | ok, neither works |
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| 18:30.52 | flum | cool, thanks |
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| 18:31.10 | stew | flum: you don't want to do that |
| 18:31.11 | black_ba55 | can someone explain me or give me a link to a document on how can i install kde 3.5 on debian ? .. it's really annoying |
| 18:31.14 | JordiGH | !doesn't work |
| 18:31.14 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:31.19 | stew | flum: you don't want to install from backports by default |
| 18:31.19 | valdyn | flum: using all backports whree you only need specific ones is plain stupid |
| 18:31.20 | betegeuze | in fact i installed cdrecord-prodvd but neither k3b nore xcdroast are able to find it |
| 18:31.33 | stew | betegeuze: what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:31.38 | JordiGH | betegeuze: They shouldn't need it if you installed k3b with apt. |
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| 18:31.52 | betegeuze | debian sarge with a 2.4 kernel |
| 18:31.56 | betegeuze | stable |
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| 18:32.09 | valdyn | betegeuze: why not install what k3b uses by default, namely 'growisofs' ? |
| 18:32.12 | valdyn | !sing sunday |
| 18:32.13 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 18:32.18 | flum | why not? im just learning and playing around, the only use for that emulated install is for a school course |
| 18:32.29 | stew | flum: why not run testing then? |
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| 18:32.41 | flum | it seemed alot of unstable |
| 18:32.43 | Flimzy | valdyn: ifconfig shows ~4mb of network traffic in 60 seconds... that doesn't seem to me like enough to cause a load average of > 8... |
| 18:32.46 | flum | by what i read |
| 18:32.59 | betegeuze | ok, if i try to burn a cd everything works fine, but when i try to burn a dvd, growisofs says "unable to read disc information" |
| 18:33.01 | valdyn | Flimzy: yea |
| 18:33.16 | JordiGH | betegeuze: In general, circumventing APT with stuff like "alien" is highly undesirable unless you know *exactly* what you're doing. |
| 18:33.21 | Flimzy | I have 113 sleeping processes |
| 18:33.24 | Flimzy | that seems a bit high |
| 18:33.31 | valdyn | Flimzy: not at all |
| 18:33.33 | jelly | valdyn: k3b doesn't depend on the package growisofs is in |
| 18:33.35 | Flimzy | okay |
| 18:33.38 | Flimzy | hrmph |
| 18:33.40 | Flimzy | WTH then? |
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| 18:33.48 | valdyn | jelly: it uses growisofs by default for dvds |
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| 18:34.10 | jelly | valdyn: hrm, my mistake, Recommends: dvd+rw-tools |
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| 18:34.50 | Flimzy | ide0 generated 3500 interrupts in 10 seconds |
| 18:34.52 | valdyn | Flimzy: 129 processes in total on this notebook, that's not trimmed down, but nothing 'extra' either, just gnome |
| 18:35.01 | jelly | valdyn: the problem might be users don't treat Recommends as dependencies |
| 18:35.02 | flum | does debian have universes and multiverses and other such repos= |
| 18:35.02 | Flimzy | is that typical? |
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| 18:35.30 | Azar | the difference between woody installer and sarge installer is that woody "works" even on non-supported hardware, installs and gives you the warnings about non-supported hardware. Sarge Installer simply won't install if hardware is not supported |
| 18:35.35 | valdyn | jelly: or they google before using apt-cache search |
| 18:35.41 | JordiGH | flum: No. Debian *is* universe and multiverse. |
| 18:36.06 | flum | ok cool |
| 18:36.09 | JordiGH | flum: But Debian is divided in a different way: stable (old but sturdy), unstable (new and quirky) and testing (somewhere in between). |
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| 18:36.14 | jelly | valdyn: google is not in Debian, one shouldn't have to depend on it just to do basic desktop tasks |
| 18:36.27 | valdyn | jelly: that's my point |
| 18:36.32 | betegeuze | another prob: my eyes dont work very good and english is not my native lannguage so it takes some time for me to read all this in here - maybe someone wants to talk private? |
| 18:36.38 | Azar | "man" is the Debian's google |
| 18:36.39 | valdyn | jelly: one doesn't have to, but people just do it |
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| 18:36.57 | jelly | valdyn: drat, I've got it all wrong then |
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| 18:37.19 | flum | JordiGH, ok.. and with backports its like somewhere between testing and stable then? |
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| 18:37.35 | demio | hey, do you guys know anything about mounting hfs+ on linux? |
| 18:37.40 | demio | and yes, I have googled it |
| 18:37.42 | jelly | Flimzy: yay for ide0! Do you have devices in PIO (non-DMA) mode? |
| 18:37.46 | valdyn | Flimzy: how do you see number of interrupts? |
| 18:37.52 | JordiGH | flum: backports are packages in testing or unstable that have been recompiled with libraries from stable so that they can work in the stable environment. |
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| 18:37.54 | Flimzy | valdyn: cat /proc/interrupts |
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| 18:38.13 | Flimzy | jelly: how do I tell? |
| 18:38.31 | Flimzy | jelly: hdparm /dev/hda doesn't tell me anything about pio that I recognize |
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| 18:38.49 | Flimzy | jelly: FWIW, I *did* turn on 32-bit IO earlier, as well as unmaskirq |
| 18:38.59 | valdyn | Flimzy: loot at dma |
| 18:39.07 | jelly | Flimzy: hdparm -i /dev/hda ... the active more has * next to it |
| 18:39.09 | valdyn | Flimzy: look at dma |
| 18:39.09 | Flimzy | using_dma is on |
| 18:39.13 | betegeuze | anyone knows how to make k3b burn dvds? |
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| 18:39.31 | Flimzy | jelly: it sais PIO modes:, but nothing with a * near it |
| 18:39.32 | valdyn | Flimzy: only that one is really important, the other settings don't do nearly as much |
| 18:39.34 | Flimzy | (on that line) |
| 18:39.36 | jelly | betegeuze: install dvd+rw-tools |
| 18:39.43 | betegeuze | i did already |
| 18:39.51 | jelly | betegeuze: it should work then |
| 18:39.57 | flum | JordiGH, ok i c.. wich would u recomend? im new to debian, but a master of ubuntu ;) ive also some arch linux and just a pinch of gentoo |
| 18:39.57 | Flimzy | jelly: pio == bad? |
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| 18:40.05 | flum | +experience |
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| 18:40.15 | valdyn | pio is slow and should also cause cpu load, that doesn't seem to be your case |
| 18:40.19 | jelly | Flimzy: PIO = interrupts galore, more cpu usage; DMA= good |
| 18:40.26 | Flimzy | jelly: okay, it's using udma5 |
| 18:40.29 | betegeuze | jelly, it doesnt - always puts out: growisofs: "unable to read disc information |
| 18:40.46 | Flimzy | Is there any way to tell which process(es) are generating disk i/o? |
| 18:41.01 | JordiGH | flum: What do you want your Debian for? Is security a big priority? Use stable. Do you like bugs and want the latest releases of packages, no matter if they're possibly broken? Use unstable. Do you want something in between for "desktop" (whatever that means) use? Use testing. |
| 18:41.18 | jelly | Flimzy: not in an easy way. You can use iostat (sysstat package) to see which drive is used |
| 18:41.32 | Flimzy | jelly: there's only one drive in this machien anyway |
| 18:41.36 | jelly | Flimzy: hah |
| 18:41.39 | valdyn | Flimzy: if there's significant disk i/o and your have free cpu time, then the %wa ( in top ) should be high also |
| 18:41.46 | Flimzy | jelly: well, probably an unused CD drive, too. |
| 18:42.17 | JordiGH | flum: Personally, what works for me is to use a mixed testing/unstable environment, with testing preferred. I use some specialised mathematical software that sometimes is only found in unstable, but I'm too afraid of all the possible breakage in unstable (which is really less than its name implies) to use all of the testing distribution. |
| 18:42.35 | JordiGH | Er, to use of all of the unstable distribution. |
| 18:42.42 | jelly | Flimzy: when I have to, I patch the kernel with atopcnt patch which keeps per-process I/O and network counters |
| 18:42.46 | valdyn | Flimzy: any zombies or process stuck in D state? |
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| 18:43.07 | Flimzy | top isn't showing %wa, dammit. old kernel/old top probably |
| 18:43.18 | valdyn | Flimzy: pre 2.6 kernl |
| 18:43.18 | jelly | Flimzy: vmstat 1 |
| 18:43.26 | Flimzy | yes, it's 2.4.x |
| 18:43.28 | JordiGH | flum: And if you're really adventurous and are not afraid of possible data loss or having a completely broken system, you can try using packages from experimental, which isn't a full distribution, just some really crazy packages. |
| 18:43.40 | jelly | Flimzy: is there a high % in wa column? |
| 18:43.48 | flum | JordiGH, ok i think i know enough to try testing now =) just a reinstall away if i fuckup so no biggie =) (just an emulated install ATM) thanks for the help =) |
| 18:43.51 | Flimzy | jelly: there's now wa column :( |
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| 18:43.59 | jelly | Flimzy: in vmstat? |
| 18:44.02 | quintin_ | Howdy |
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| 18:44.11 | Flimzy | jelly: yes. but idle is 96-99%, if that means anything. |
| 18:44.13 | valdyn | Flimzy: broken driver with a process 'stuck' in it can do this load thing |
| 18:44.14 | Flimzy | does idle include wait? |
| 18:44.25 | jelly | Flimzy: no, idle is good |
| 18:44.27 | valdyn | Flimzy: on old kernels yes |
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| 18:44.35 | quintin_ | I'm making an e2fs on a disk, that is going to hold mp3s that are 3-5mB in size... what block size is best to use? I'm thinking I should use larger than the default. |
| 18:44.35 | jelly | valdyn: oh does it? |
| 18:44.48 | Flimzy | valdyn: how do I check for 'D'-state zombie processes? |
| 18:44.56 | Flimzy | there are 2 zombie processes |
| 18:44.58 | Flimzy | now 1 |
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| 18:45.03 | valdyn | jelly: %wa is really idle time, but indicating that during that time its waiting for i/o and only idle for that reason |
| 18:45.06 | quintin_ | also, 5% is reserved for superuser... I should turn that down too I think? |
| 18:45.16 | peterS | quintin_: 4kB or 8kB block size would be fine. I forget whether it'll let you do 8kB |
| 18:45.32 | peterS | quintin_: 1% reserved is considered more reasonable in this day and age |
| 18:45.33 | Flimzy | root 30045 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 10:48 0:00 [update_doublech <defunct>] |
| 18:45.39 | Flimzy | would that be what I'm looking for? |
| 18:45.45 | valdyn | Flimzy: yea |
| 18:45.48 | quintin_ | peterS: yea. know what option that is? looking at manpage now |
| 18:45.58 | valdyn | Flimzy: find its parent ( pstree ) |
| 18:46.03 | peterS | the manpage is pretty clear so I'll let you read it instead of me reading it (: |
| 18:46.25 | Flimzy | valdyn: cron |
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| 18:46.52 | Flimzy | well, crond to be specific |
| 18:47.07 | valdyn | Flimzy: see if it goes away if you restart cron. I suspect though that this process isnt just abandoned but stuck in a system call |
| 18:47.08 | quintin_ | peterS: '-m' it looks like |
| 18:47.19 | Flimzy | attempting a crond restart now... it's taking it's time. |
| 18:47.20 | quintin_ | would doing a -c -c on my filesystem creation be good? |
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| 18:47.39 | jahshua | hi |
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| 18:47.57 | valdyn | Flimzy: stuck reaping? that zombie |
| 18:48.02 | peterS | quintin_: bad-block tests are often a waste of time because if bad blocks are present at all, they are automatically remapped by the hard disk itself, so that the OS never sees them |
| 18:48.13 | valdyn | Flimzy: if it is as i think, you will have to reboot |
| 18:48.16 | SeanTater | how is this possible: --> stat ./ez_install.py && ./ez_install.py <-- the first command shows me lots of info about the file and then the second says it does not exist |
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| 18:48.32 | Flimzy | valdyn: I suppose I may as well... |
| 18:48.37 | quintin_ | peterS: k. that's what I was thinking. smartctl -H says the disk is ok |
| 18:48.41 | Flimzy | valdyn: can't make this box any slower :) |
| 18:48.48 | zoOmBiOZ | CHK the new version of C99 SHELL with SAFE MODE bypass WORK test there +++>>> !!!PRIVATE!!! http://www.fencing.net/images/enc.txt? !!!PRIVATE!!! <<<+++ WE STOLED IT FROM PRIVATE CREW AND MAKE IT NOW PUBLIC FUCK PRIVATE ===> MOROCCO RULEZ |
| 18:48.50 | quintin_ | peterS: just had a client lose a lot of data so wondering if it's smart or not to do that now. |
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| 18:48.58 | foo | hmm, if I have an nfs server and another system that has the nfs share mounted.. and say, on the client I tail -f /nfsmount/somefile.txt .. and then on the server, I append data to that file.. the tail -f doesn't spit out the data right away. Sometimes this could take several seconds. Any ideas? I've had this take about 15 seconds for tail -f to show something... hmm, whack. |
| 18:49.02 | peterS | quintin_: also you should look at -i which defaults to a rather low number. if your files are 2MB or larger, I'd specify at least 1 MB per inode |
| 18:49.03 | JordiGH | flum: Btw, just so you know, Ubuntu's relation to Debian is that Ubuntu takes (or took, they don't work quite the same way anymore) a snapshot of Debian unstable, fix a small subset of the packages in Debian unstable (about 1000 packages out of 15,000 total packages), releases those as "Ubuntu main" and leaves the rest in the universe section. |
| 18:49.18 | Flimzy | gonna grab my lunch while it reboots. brb |
| 18:49.19 | quintin_ | peterS: I'll take a look... brb |
| 18:49.31 | JordiGH | !ops zoOmBiOZ |
| 18:49.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jordigh complains about: zoOmBiOZ |
| 18:49.41 | peterS | quintin_: you can use -c or -c -c if you want, it does no harm, just that with modern disks it doesn't tend to do much good either |
| 18:49.58 | Ronin | what about them JordiGH ? |
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| 18:50.13 | Ronin | ahh never mind |
| 18:50.16 | JordiGH | Ronin: Spamming. |
| 18:50.20 | peterS | I wasn't paying attention, I should've noticed that |
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| 18:50.36 | pickcoder-lunch | peterS: c'mon man! |
| 18:50.53 | peterS | mmmm, arby's |
| 18:51.11 | pickcoder-lunch | !stupid |
| 18:51.11 | dpkg | i heard stupid is the typical person. or Linux distro flamewars, BSD-vs-Linux flamewars, and anything with "vs" and "flame" and "war" in it, unless it's Vietnam. Wich would fall into the "plain braindead" category, or the opposite of smart, or alias rm='rm -rf /', or well, stupid is as stupid does. http://www.ecotopia.com/webpress/stupidity/ |
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| 18:52.00 | jelly | !start a vietnam war |
| 18:52.06 | Flimzy | the dang machine wont' even reboot. |
| 18:52.10 | Flimzy | I think I need to cut power to it. |
| 18:52.11 | Ronin | jelly: all ready done |
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| 18:52.44 | jelly | Ronin: Iraq/Iran was already done too, but see what happens now. |
| 18:52.56 | Ronin | thats sort of what i meant |
| 18:53.08 | peterS | any land war in asia will do |
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| 18:54.07 | Ronin | apk: also all ready happened |
| 18:54.14 | JordiGH | Ronin: already. |
| 18:54.16 | jelly | apk: the flapheads win. |
| 18:54.26 | Ronin | that too JordiGH |
| 18:54.31 | pickcoder-lunch | the first time they didn't |
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| 18:54.40 | JordiGH | First time's a typo, second time a misspelling. :-) |
| 18:54.43 | pickcoder-lunch | though there was no such thing as "USA" back then |
| 18:54.53 | Ronin | apk: we came we saw we kicked arse, burned the white house iirc and then got bored and went home |
| 18:55.00 | apk | France and England haven't gone to war for a while. They used to go at it every 15 years back in the day. |
| 18:55.02 | JordiGH | !ot |
| 18:55.02 | dpkg | [ot] Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
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| 18:55.46 | JordiGH | Won't someone think of the Debian n00bs! |
| 18:56.20 | Flimzy | well after the reboot load average is .86 so far |
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| 19:01.04 | quintin_ | peterS: feel free to give me a mke2fs oneliner =) still reading manpage |
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| 19:02.02 | JordiGH | quintin_: I myself use gparted for that kind of thing, but that's deemed to baroque for some. |
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| 19:02.16 | quintin_ | JordiGH: no gui on this box, it's a server. |
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| 19:02.19 | abrotman | i see bots |
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| 19:02.32 | peterS | quintin_: well the defaults it picks aren't bad. maybe -T largefile |
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| 19:02.36 | stew | abrotman: have you yet been msged by any of them? |
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| 19:02.42 | abrotman | stew: not a single one .. |
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| 19:02.48 | streuner | abrotman: better than hearing noises ;-) |
| 19:02.48 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am looking for help in setting up a ruby gems server. i have tried #ruby and mailing lists but got no help. would appreciate some help if you have dealt with setting up a local mirror/respository of gems http://rafb.net/p/mokXjZ96.html |
| 19:02.50 | abrotman | stew: would you like me to change modes or something ? |
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| 19:02.53 | quintin_ | peterS: there we go. that will work, I guess. maybe. hell if I know. :P |
| 19:02.53 | peterS | quintin_: (see /etc/mke2fs.conf for what 'largefile' represents) |
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| 19:03.12 | abrotman | okay .. don't do that again :) |
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| 19:03.25 | abrotman | hehe .. the bots are killing #-overflow too |
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| 19:03.31 | streuner | damn |
| 19:03.33 | stew | abrotman: s'ok. richi was getting /msgs, i wasn't. just curious |
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| 19:03.40 | streuner | the bots are back |
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| 19:03.53 | ranpha_ | Here is a stupid question. Are the debian servers down. i can't download a file to configure my clock |
| 19:03.54 | quintin_ | peterS: thanks, I'll take a look |
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| 19:03.59 | abrotman | stew: not a single one |
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| 19:04.04 | streuner | ranpha_: URL? |
| 19:04.10 | abrotman | stew: can't we just kill 88. and 85. ? |
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| 19:04.16 | stew | LoRez: RichiH: alindeman: are yoyu guys dealing with these? should we be helping? |
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| 19:04.19 | peterS | yay, BEATIFULGIRL____ can't spell beautiful |
| 19:04.28 | numist | stew: we're watching |
| 19:04.28 | LoRez | stew: we're attempting to, yes. |
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| 19:04.37 | Flimzy | valdyn, jelly: Thanks for your help... I *think* I have the load average under control again. |
| 19:04.40 | ranpha_ | Streuner: ever mirror has the error :-) |
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| 19:04.42 | stew | numist: LoRez: thanks |
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| 19:04.56 | pickcoder-lunch | gah |
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| 19:05.22 | quintin_ | Is there a way to see how many possible files I can have on the fs? |
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| 19:05.38 | Azar | :) |
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| 19:05.45 | quintin_ | peterS: don't have that file on my disk. |
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| 19:06.14 | peterS | quintin_: oh, that might be a more recent addition to debian |
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| 19:06.17 | Azar | the zombies day today.. |
| 19:06.18 | RichiH | stew: we are |
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| 19:06.23 | quintin_ | peterS: this is 3.1 |
| 19:06.25 | streuner | Azar: botnet |
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| 19:06.30 | peterS | quintin_: well, -T largefile just means the same as -i 1048576 |
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| 19:06.53 | streuner | Azar: google for 'botnet' |
| 19:06.59 | Azar | ok |
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| 19:07.20 | quintin_ | peterS: so.. 1mB? |
| 19:07.40 | Azar | ah |
| 19:07.43 | peterS | 1048576 is a megabyte yes. but if you can't understand what -i does, you should read the manpage again |
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| 19:08.32 | quintin_ | peterS: 1mB per inode of course |
| 19:08.46 | quintin_ | now I have to test the ext3 win32 driver. yea :p |
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| 19:08.59 | Azar | can't be something like denyhosts in Debian that can be used here? |
| 19:09.16 | Azar | :) yee |
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| 19:09.51 | chafe | There are a few packages that I must reinstall every time i reboot, can someone explain this? |
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| 19:09.58 | stew | wasn't jindal a legit user? |
| 19:10.00 | streuner | just use IGNORE QUITS as a first help |
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| 19:10.04 | chafe | they are uninstalled the next time i reboot |
| 19:10.08 | stew | LoRez: RichiH ^^^ jindal? |
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| 19:10.35 | chafe | this is extremely irritating as anyone can imagine and can be detrimental when i have to boot my laptop in a place without internet access |
| 19:10.47 | LoRez | stew: got it. |
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| 19:11.05 | RichiH | stew: seems unlikely, but i will investiag3e |
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| 19:11.08 | streuner | peterS: seems we need your old script again... |
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| 19:11.31 | stew | RichiH: i have him in my logs going way back with no apparant problems |
| 19:12.04 | RichiH | stew: removed |
| 19:12.11 | LoRez | RichiH: he's been registered for 46wks |
| 19:12.13 | Azar | he just have got in at the wrong time in the middle of the bots |
| 19:12.59 | RichiH | yah, seems like |
| 19:13.12 | Flimzy | chafe: are you booting to ramdisk or something? |
| 19:13.21 | chafe | Flimzy no |
| 19:13.30 | Flimzy | or an LVM snapshot? |
| 19:13.33 | chafe | no |
| 19:13.40 | chafe | a regular debian install on a hard disk |
| 19:13.42 | Flimzy | what packages do you have to reinstall? |
| 19:13.49 | chafe | gedit and gok |
| 19:13.51 | chafe | that i notice |
| 19:13.58 | chafe | perhaps more than i do not notice or use |
| 19:14.14 | Flimzy | strange, I dunno. |
| 19:14.16 | chafe | gok is pretty important since i have a half-functional keyboard :r |
| 19:14.24 | chafe | and i cannot install it without a fully functional keyboard |
| 19:14.39 | chafe | so whenever i boot up without an external keyboard handy and this package is missing im pissed |
| 19:14.42 | quintin_ | I can't find a lm-sensors package for my kernel.... any suggestions? |
| 19:14.51 | quintin_ | I"m using whatever stock 2.6 kernel is installed with 3.1 |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | LoRez: btw .. it's five minutes |
| 19:15.03 | valdyn | quintin_: 2.6 includes lm-sensors |
| 19:15.05 | streuner | quintin_: no need to |
| 19:15.10 | quintin_ | oh I see... |
| 19:15.15 | quintin_ | what program do I need to install then? |
| 19:15.19 | LoRez | abrotman: I know |
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| 19:15.22 | streuner | lm-sensors? |
| 19:15.25 | quintin_ | lm-sensors I guess |
| 19:15.28 | quintin_ | yea I see in list here.. |
| 19:15.29 | Azar | quintin_: hmm I use 3.1 with a 2.6.8 kernel and I did got the lm-sensors .. |
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| 19:15.33 | abrotman | LoRez: ah o |
| 19:15.40 | streuner | !info lm-sensors |
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| 19:15.48 | dpkg | lm-sensors: (utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors), section utils, is extra. Version: 1:2.10.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 484 kB, Installed size: 1392 kB |
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| 19:15.58 | quintin_ | I want to see what this power supply is outputting.. wondering if it is healthy |
| 19:16.11 | Flimzy | Is there a commandline tool to calculate bogomips after the system is booted? |
| 19:16.17 | streuner | quintin_: run as root 'sensors-detect' |
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| 19:16.39 | pickcoder | when it actually reports anything |
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| 19:16.48 | Azar | pickcoder: yea me too that why I stopped using it |
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| 19:17.35 | pickcoder | I've seen a MB state the CPU is running @ 280F |
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| 19:18.02 | ranpha_ | Can i skip configure clock in the installer? |
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| 19:18.42 | Azar | ranpha_: you know how to configure it post-install? |
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| 19:19.46 | quintin_ | No sensors found! |
| 19:20.01 | ranpha_ | Azar No, but you're going to explain. Because my install fails at setting the clock. BTW i'm using a Etch RC1 installer network. it said it was broken but i installed it earlier |
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| 19:20.15 | stew | quintin_: did you run sensors-detect? did you modprobe the stuff it added to /etc/modules? |
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| 19:20.54 | quintin_ | stew: yes. no. I think it said it was loading the modules |
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| 19:21.29 | stew | quintin_: modprobe those modules and try again |
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| 19:22.55 | Azar | ranpha_: I see, well I haven't had the chance to try the Etch installer yet... so I have no idea why is not working for you |
| 19:22.56 | quintin_ | stew: now it's showing the 2 64m ram modules, but nothing else |
| 19:23.35 | stew | ranpha_: you installed it how much earlier? |
| 19:25.25 | ranpha_ | Stew: Yes I saw the posting of "Key expiry breaks most D-I Etch RC1 images" but i tried it once /twice and it worked. Installed another testing distro but want to reverted back to debian with no lukc. My clock can't download a file??? I think |
| 19:25.25 | stew | ranpha_: when? |
| 19:25.35 | stew | ranpha_: it didn't break until recently when the 2006 key expired |
| 19:26.14 | ranpha_ | Stew when is 2-3 days ago :-) |
| 19:26.15 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:26.28 | x_link | APT wiped out everything in /usr/bin |
| 19:26.31 | x_link | How can I fix this? |
| 19:26.48 | valdyn | x_link: restore from backup |
| 19:26.59 | x_link | I don't have any backup |
| 19:27.05 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 19:27.05 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install |
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| 19:27.26 | stew | x_link: what do you mean "APT wiped out"? wiped out how? what command made it do that? |
| 19:27.27 | x_link | my_packges.txt ? |
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| 19:27.36 | x_link | stew: I did wrong command =/ |
| 19:27.37 | stew | x_link: yes. my_packages.txt |
| 19:27.41 | stew | x_link: what command? |
| 19:27.45 | x_link | I will show you stew |
| 19:27.50 | x_link | A guy told me to do it |
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| 19:27.55 | stew | x_link: what guy? |
| 19:28.01 | x_link | Cause I had problems with Beryl. Now it got like this. |
| 19:28.04 | x_link | stew: From another channel. |
| 19:28.06 | abrotman | !beer LoRez |
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| 19:28.19 | x_link | stew: apt-get remove libxcomposite1 |
| 19:28.25 | x_link | Cause I should re-install it |
| 19:28.53 | abrotman | x_link: what other channel ? |
| 19:28.58 | x_link | #Beryl |
| 19:29.01 | stew | x_link: that wouldn't remove everything in /usr/bin |
| 19:29.07 | abrotman | is beryl in debian yet? |
| 19:29.10 | stew | no |
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| 19:29.23 | stew | 23:49 * gravity needs to put in some work on beryl to get it moving again, our packager is taking some time off |
| 19:29.25 | ranpha_ | Stew when is 2-3 days ago :-) |
| 19:29.28 | x_link | stew: But i did it wrong, I did remove --purge =/ |
| 19:29.34 | x_link | Then I re-installed it |
| 19:29.38 | stew | x_link: that wouldn't remove everything from /usr/bin/ |
| 19:29.57 | x_link | apt-get remove --purge libxcomposite1 |
| 19:30.10 | x_link | I did that, then apt-get install libxcomposite1 |
| 19:30.16 | stew | x_link: and i wouldn't expect --purge to behave differently from plain remove since i wouldn't expect libxcomposite1 to have any configuration files |
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| 19:30.26 | x_link | ok |
| 19:30.27 | stew | x_link: that wouldn't cause everything to be removed from /usr/bin/ |
| 19:30.47 | Harzilein | hmm |
| 19:30.55 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ ls /user/bin |
| 19:30.56 | x_link | ls: /user/bin: No such file or directory |
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| 19:31.04 | phinite | hey all where is a fast download site for Etch, I need to grab the net-installer iso |
| 19:31.07 | StucKman | x_link: /usr/bin |
| 19:31.10 | stew | x_link: what is /user/bin ? |
| 19:31.14 | x_link | opps |
| 19:31.14 | quintin_ | phinite: mirrors.kernel.org |
| 19:31.15 | Azar | maybe he was in /usr/bin and removed everything from there while trying something |
| 19:31.15 | Harzilein | i still have no idea what could cause my xorg/nvidia-glx-legacy problem |
| 19:31.20 | StucKman | phinite: mirrors.kernel.org? |
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| 19:31.35 | quipster | what is a good "burn in" software suite for servers? |
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| 19:31.45 | Harzilein | http://hrz.da.ru/tmp/xlog <- there's an strace, it says the nvidia_drv.o isn't there, but it is, in the directory it opens before that |
| 19:31.46 | x_link | stew: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6925/ |
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| 19:32.03 | Harzilein | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 792860 Dec 4 03:09 /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o |
| 19:32.10 | Azar | Harzilein: first time problems with nvidia ? |
| 19:32.14 | quintin_ | quipster: apt-cache search burn | grep burnbx |
| 19:32.15 | stew | x_link: what is that? |
| 19:32.21 | x_link | ls /usr/bin |
| 19:32.35 | quipster | quintin: thanks |
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| 19:32.52 | stew | x_link: so APT did not, in fact, wipe out all of /usr/bin |
| 19:33.00 | Harzilein | Azar: well, i found the howto on #debian.de last year after i got the card, and it just worked as advertized |
| 19:33.11 | x_link | ok |
| 19:33.16 | x_link | stew: This guy fooled me |
| 19:33.19 | Azar | Harzilein: installed the nvidia driver from the nvidia website? |
| 19:33.21 | x_link | Cause I can't start beryl or anythig now |
| 19:33.40 | StucKman | x_link: try "xinit" |
| 19:33.50 | stew | x_link: dunno about that. beryl isn't in debian. are you having trouble with any of the debian software? |
| 19:33.53 | Harzilein | Azar: no |
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| 19:34.02 | eb1 | /ghost ebw |
| 19:34.15 | StucKman | eb1: careful... |
| 19:34.17 | x_link | Now he tellsme I have a rare linux virus |
| 19:34.18 | Harzilein | Azar: as i did not upgrade the kernel i kept the kernel module i built |
| 19:34.19 | x_link | hehe |
| 19:34.20 | eb1 | ops |
| 19:34.27 | cwheeler | really? |
| 19:34.30 | StucKman | x_link: which guy? |
| 19:34.34 | Azar | Harzilein: what Debian version, what kernel version? |
| 19:34.40 | Harzilein | Azar: and as there was a perfectly fine debian package of the x driver i took that |
| 19:34.40 | x_link | StucKman: He's in #Beryl |
| 19:34.40 | stew | x_link: based on what? |
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| 19:34.46 | StucKman | nice |
| 19:34.53 | eb1 | As soon as I load the alsa modules my system freezes ... |
| 19:34.53 | x_link | stew: He looked on the output on ls /usr/bin and said that |
| 19:35.03 | Harzilein | Azar: really, it is likely not a kernel problem, that one worked perfectly. |
| 19:35.12 | stew | x_link: ask him what tipped him off |
| 19:35.16 | phinite | StucKman: will that mini.iso do it? it's much smaller than I expected |
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| 19:35.31 | Azar | Harzilein: sorry I have no idea what Debian version and what kernel version you are in, if you upgraded or not from what to what...etc |
| 19:35.32 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 19:35.34 | dnanar | i have a *little* problem with gnome: after trying to use "tightvncserver" (a vnc server for unix) as root (how dumb am i ?) i couldnt open any gnome window as a normal user and i'm getting "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server".... then, i tried to kill the server ( it didnt solve anything...) and to run the software as normal user: i couldnt open any gnome windows as |
| 19:35.36 | Harzilein | Azar: testing, with xserver-xorg and nvidia-glx-legacy taken from unstable |
| 19:35.42 | dnanar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.53 | stew | phinite: the businesscard iso? that will work if you machine can get on the internet with a stock debian kernel |
| 19:35.59 | dnanar | oops sorry for the truncated message |
| 19:36.01 | StucKman | phinite: no, look for netinst-something |
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| 19:36.16 | norbert_ | question: I'm using Debian testing and I have no trouble to get my USB-stick and USB-camera mounted, but I've now bought myself an mp3 player (Difrnce MP820) and /dev/sda* isn't being created when I plug it into the USB port... I would like to get the mp3 player mounted to put music on it... any ideas? |
| 19:36.18 | Azar | Harzilein: all I know that the nvidia driver update is stil fairly recent for testing.. |
| 19:36.21 | dnanar | i have a *little* problem with gnome: after trying to use "tightvncserver" (a vnc server for unix) as root (how dumb am i ?) i couldnt open any gnome window as a normal user and i'm getting "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server".... then, i tried to kill the server ( it didnt solve anything...) and to run the software as normal user: i couldnt open any gnome windows as root then ! (same error) if i try to do a xhost, ive |
| 19:36.41 | stew | dnanar: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:36.43 | phinite | StucKman: I'm in /debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/rc1/images/netboot/ and it's the only iso at 5.4m |
| 19:36.59 | quintin_ | norbert_: is it not standard usb mass storage device? what does dmesg say ? |
| 19:37.00 | stew | phinite: don't use rc1, it's broken |
| 19:37.08 | Azar | ... and our dpkg is having a break |
| 19:37.09 | stew | phinite: which is why all of the actuall images were removed from that site |
| 19:37.10 | StucKman | phinite: hmmm, got no browser now |
| 19:37.14 | phinite | ok, that's very good information, thanks stew. |
| 19:37.17 | StucKman | can't tell from here ;( |
| 19:37.17 | stew | dpkg: test |
| 19:37.17 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 19:37.19 | ma3x | stew: how do you do? |
| 19:37.28 | stew | ma3x: fine, thanks |
| 19:37.30 | mave | dnanar: u must add localhost to xhost to open a x application as root: xhost +localhost |
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| 19:37.44 | dnanar | mave, xhost give me the same error message ! |
| 19:37.45 | stew | mave: that is not true, nor is it a good idea |
| 19:37.46 | phinite | beta3 then? |
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| 19:38.13 | dnanar | stew, im using irssi right now so i cant ask a private chat (or i dont how to do it...) |
| 19:38.19 | larsl | What package are the man pages for the pthread_rwlock_* functions in? I have the man pages for the thread and mutex functions, but not the rwlocks. |
| 19:38.22 | x_link | stew: I will ask you... I trust you... |
| 19:38.32 | norbert_ | quintin_, thanks, found the solution ;-)) |
| 19:38.34 | x_link | Can I switch to gnome and remove KDE and then re-install it? |
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| 19:38.58 | stew | dnanar: just ask here |
| 19:39.18 | stew | x_link: sure: /msg dpkg remove kde ; /msg dpkg install gnome ; /msg dpkg install kde |
| 19:39.25 | norbert_ | quintin_, (I have a script that tries to mount all /dev/sd** devices, but it didn't try /dev/sda itself and that's where this device seems to be) |
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| 19:39.34 | valdyn | larsl: manpages-posix-dev |
| 19:39.35 | dnanar | mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:39.38 | dnanar | dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 19:39.38 | dpkg | i guess mit-magic-cookie is 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see sshx |
| 19:39.40 | stew | dnanar: oh, you mean you can't /msg dpkg? |
| 19:39.49 | dnanar | stew, yes |
| 19:39.55 | stew | dnanar: why not? |
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| 19:40.21 | larsl | valdyn: Great, thank you. |
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| 19:40.35 | x_link | stew: I have gnome alreayd, I will switch to gnome, apt-get remove --purge kde, and then apt-get install kde. Will that wokr? |
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| 19:40.43 | esters | how to remove symbolic link to directory ? |
| 19:40.45 | quintin_ | bye bye |
| 19:40.48 | Azar | Harzilein: all I could find on google is nvidia for xfree86... nothint yet about xorg... |
| 19:40.51 | valdyn | !remove kde |
| 19:40.51 | dpkg | it has been said that remove kde is aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 19:41.01 | Ankman | rm link |
| 19:41.02 | stew | x_link: purging the kde package won't do much, as it is only a meta-package |
| 19:41.03 | valdyn | x_link: ^^^, removing the package 'kde' does about nothing |
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| 19:41.15 | x_link | ohh ok |
| 19:41.23 | ma3x | valdyn: what desktop manager do you use? |
| 19:41.27 | x_link | aptitude purge kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a |
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| 19:41.37 | x_link | I will do that command when I'm in GNOME |
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| 19:42.04 | grumbel | where can I find the reference manual for emacs? I assume it got removed/renamed or whatever due to GFDL |
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| 19:42.39 | ebw | ja |
| 19:42.47 | pickcoder | heh.. they're all on a channel together? |
| 19:43.21 | pickcoder | crap... meeting off.. meeting on.. meeting off... |
| 19:43.53 | stew | LoRez: #bothell is just a comment there? interesting |
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| 19:43.56 | dnanar | stew, both tips given by dpkg doesnt work ! well as i said before, i cant even launch a window as a non-root ! |
| 19:44.09 | LoRez | stew: no, ban forward. |
| 19:44.14 | stew | ahhh |
| 19:44.15 | stew | right |
| 19:44.22 | PaSurf | How would I purge a program (mysql) from my system that doesn't seem to want to uninstall? |
| 19:44.41 | sepski | panthera, dpkg --purge packagename |
| 19:44.47 | stew | PaSurf: show us the command you are typing and the output |
| 19:44.52 | stew | PaSurf: /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:45.11 | stew | dnanar: you cannot launch a winodw even as the user that started X? |
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| 19:45.56 | dnanar | stew yes |
| 19:46.26 | dnanar | stew, it seems that the .Xauthority file has been deleted, no idea to how to create a new one/ how to rescue it please ? |
| 19:46.26 | stew | dnanar: is xbase-clients installed? |
| 19:46.33 | ebw | can I use modules-assistant with a non-debian-packaged kernel-source? as directly from kernel.org? |
| 19:46.41 | stew | dnanar: what happens if you just run "xauth"? |
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| 19:47.12 | dnanar | stew, xauth command works. but list command in xauth answer me no results |
| 19:47.23 | PaSurf | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5457 |
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| 19:48.24 | PaSurf | There also seems to be a problem with when I uninstall mysql, the my.cnf is not there, so it cannot be reinstalled. |
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| 19:48.39 | betegeuze | cu @ll |
| 19:48.41 | stew | PaSurf: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 19:49.16 | stew | PaSurf: if you've already purged it, you can't remove it |
| 19:49.24 | stew | PaSurf: those commands produce no output? |
| 19:49.47 | ithium | hi, I'm having problems with mke2fs. For some reason it insists on using all of my available RAM. I have 4Gb RAM and it is able to make filesystems but watching top i can see it all being used up... then, when I boot as a Xen dom0 and limit my RAM to 256Mb, mke2fs quickly uses it all up and causes the system to pretty much crash - "out of memory" warnings, programs being killed with a vengeance, that kinda thing. And mke2fs won't complete making th |
| 19:49.59 | valdyn | PaSurf: why did you delete that config file? |
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| 19:50.17 | HardDisk_WP | hello all |
| 19:50.26 | PaSurf | well, the purge gave me errors, and the remove removed some files, but I was having issues with the old install, so after the purge and remove, I tried to reinstall, but am aparently missing the my.cnf file... |
| 19:50.37 | PaSurf | valdyn: I really don't know... |
| 19:50.38 | HardDisk_WP | a friend of mine plans to install debian sarge on a system with a ATI 9800 XT graphics card. |
| 19:50.48 | HardDisk_WP | is this card supported by debian Etch setup? |
| 19:50.49 | stew | PaSurf: show us the actual errors |
| 19:50.50 | valdyn | PaSurf: mysql isnt even part of that package, it belongs to the package 'mysql-common' |
| 19:50.57 | valdyn | PaSurf: my.cnf isnt even part of that package, it belongs to the package 'mysql-common' |
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| 19:51.27 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: yes |
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| 19:51.35 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, ok thanks |
| 19:51.51 | PaSurf | I had moved some databases from another server to this one. had some issue and was not able to remove the mysql packages, so I started removing the directories (/etc/mysql and /var/lib/mysql) |
| 19:52.22 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 19:52.22 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 19:52.41 | jetscreamer | how come etg (irc.enterthegame.com) loads faster in windows, but freenode is faster under linux, when i start xchat in each? same versions of xchat, just diff platforms |
| 19:52.43 | stew | perhaps that factoid should mention purging? |
| 19:52.49 | ebw | can I get alsa 1.0.14rcX for etch in some easy way? |
| 19:53.01 | stew | jetscreamer: ident perhaps? |
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| 19:53.06 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search alsa |
| 19:53.12 | valdyn | ebw: why? |
| 19:53.19 | jetscreamer | stew: it's the exact same config, also |
| 19:53.27 | PaSurf | basically the system goes to install the mysql server, then looks for my.cnf but it cannot find it. Then it tries to start the mysql server but fails |
| 19:53.30 | jetscreamer | i cp'd it from linux |
| 19:53.50 | valdyn | PaSurf: you realise that you got told the solution already? |
| 19:53.57 | jetscreamer | must be the servers |
| 19:54.01 | ebw | valdyn: because I have a MCP51 nvidia audio |
| 19:54.01 | stew | jetscreamer: does the windows machine return ident responses and the linux machine not? |
| 19:54.24 | jetscreamer | stew: afaik they both do ident |
| 19:54.41 | PaSurf | valdyn: You realise I was answering a question not answered? |
| 19:54.41 | jetscreamer | you have to ident to been recognized right? if so, they they both ident |
| 19:54.49 | valdyn | ebw: i'd leave the tools as they are , debian packages,then grab the driver source from alsa-project.org ( unless they are already part of new 2.6 kernels ) |
| 19:54.52 | esters | anyone know how to recover a deleted data from ext3 ? |
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| 19:55.21 | valdyn | esters: cant do that |
| 19:55.26 | stew | jetscreamer: you don't have to have ident to be recognized. "telnet ip.address auth" will tell you if the ip is listening for ident |
| 19:55.29 | esters | why so valdyn ? |
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| 19:55.49 | stew | esters: google for "ext3 undelete" for lots of gory details |
| 19:55.51 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 19:55.53 | ebw | valdyn: ok. I need clarification here, I thought the alsa-drivers have to be downloaded from alsa-project.org. Are they integrated into the kernel? |
| 19:55.57 | esters | ok |
| 19:56.08 | stew | ebw: yes, they are integrated into 2.6 kenrels, but not 2.4 kernels |
| 19:56.10 | valdyn | ebw: they are in 2.6 kernels included |
| 19:56.30 | jetscreamer | % Servicing ident request from 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:56.36 | jetscreamer | so the winbox does |
| 19:57.06 | ebw | valdyn: So I have to take a look into make menuconfig? But as I need alsa 1.0.14, wich is only a release candidate, i think they are not included into a stable kernel. |
| 19:57.12 | jetscreamer | well i did my 10 minutes with windows... time to reboot :/ |
| 19:57.17 | valdyn | ebw: right |
| 19:57.17 | Flimzy | Okay, I have a very strange situation... yesterday I went into the BIOS on a machine of mine and told it to power down if the CPU reached 70 deg C. Now when I go into the BIOS to disable that... the option no longer exists that I can fnid anywehre. I've gone thru _every_ bios menu about 5 times. And no, I did not flash the BIOS. Any theories, other than that I'm gonig crazy? |
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| 19:57.46 | stew | !info alsa-source etch |
| 19:57.52 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-4 (etch), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 19:57.59 | stew | !info alsa-source sid |
| 19:58.01 | dpkg | alsa-source: (ALSA driver sources), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.13-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2479 kB, Installed size: 2532 kB |
| 19:58.21 | stew | ebw: it looks like the latest debian has is 1.0.13, would this version not suffice? |
| 19:58.58 | ebw | stew: no. I tried and my system simply freezes if I try to load the modules generated by m-a a-i alsa (alsa-source 1.0.13) |
| 19:59.03 | Zaggynl | Anyone knows how I can stop windows from going over my 'taskbar' in fluxbox? |
| 19:59.14 | abrotman | ask #fluxbox |
| 19:59.19 | abrotman | but i don't think you can |
| 19:59.27 | Zaggynl | okay |
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| 20:00.05 | stew | ebw: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 20:00.44 | ebw | 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 20:01.17 | stew | ebw: did you try loading the drivers that came with that kernel before you installed the other alsa drivers over top? |
| 20:01.35 | jetscreamer | i do not get the same msg in xchat when i do the telnet auth though |
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| 20:02.05 | ebw | stew: I don't know what are you talking about. |
| 20:02.10 | stew | jetscreamer: install nullidentd |
| 20:02.21 | ebw | stew: where can I search for this drivers? |
| 20:02.25 | stew | ebw: 2.6.18-3-686 already had alsa driver before you ran m-a |
| 20:02.41 | jetscreamer | stew: is no msg good, or bad? :) |
| 20:02.45 | ebw | stew: ok I did dpkg --purge alsa-modules-blah |
| 20:02.51 | stew | ebw: dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 | grep snd |
| 20:03.00 | ebw | stew: I try to load |
| 20:03.03 | stew | ebw: aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 20:03.09 | jetscreamer | stew: nothing is broke, i was only wondering why one is faster depending on the os |
| 20:03.51 | stew | jetscreamer: well nullidentd would just sit there and answer 'foobar' to any question asked of it, which would spped up connecting from linux |
| 20:04.02 | Flimzy | ugh, and my motherboard manual shows "PC Health Status" as an option |
| 20:04.11 | Flimzy | Why did it only show up on the screen once? |
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| 20:04.26 | Flimzy | do I have a broken motherboard that occasionally thinks it doesn't have a health monitor chip or something? |
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| 20:04.45 | dmesg | hi |
| 20:04.47 | jetscreamer | stew: they both are basically as fast, loading all three... it's just which loads first, depending on os |
| 20:04.55 | ebw | stew: rebooting for modules.dep |
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| 20:05.02 | jetscreamer | i autoconnect to 3 servers |
| 20:05.09 | stew | "for modules.dep"? |
| 20:05.16 | dmesg | if i want to update from php4 to php5 is it posible by apt-get? |
| 20:05.17 | stew | doesn't sound good |
| 20:05.25 | stew | dmesg: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:05.44 | dmesg | stew sarge |
| 20:06.06 | stew | dmesg: its not officially available, but unofficially available from bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 20:06.46 | dmesg | ahh ok cause i want to install a wiki and it ask for php5 :S |
| 20:07.08 | stew | dmesg: a wiki not from apt-get ? |
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| 20:07.34 | dmesg | is it posible to install a wiki from apt? :O |
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| 20:07.59 | dmesg | stew i download the wikimedia from wikipedia |
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| 20:09.07 | stew | dmesg: mediawiki is apt-gettable from bpo as well |
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| 20:09.53 | ctgp | hi i have sound problem on asus f3j but i was a common i heard. And it was fixed by alsa-drivers-1.0.14 which is not in debian packages. When i tried to compile alse-utils i got weird error |
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| 20:10.11 | ebw | stew: Hmm. I can't recognise which modules to load .. |
| 20:10.18 | ebw | stew: and sound is not working |
| 20:10.25 | stew | ebw: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 20:11.19 | anapivirtua | Bonsoir all |
| 20:11.41 | ebw | stew: running alsamixer gives: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 20:11.42 | ctgp | i cant find anything about this error at least if i have to load any library |
| 20:11.53 | stew | ebw: did alsaconf succeed? |
| 20:12.01 | GhostOfPlazma | is your soundcard even recognized? |
| 20:12.05 | stew | ctgp: what is the error? |
| 20:12.33 | ctgp | alsa-utils-1.0.14rc1/aplay/aplay.c:300: undefined reference to `snd_device_name_free_hint' |
| 20:12.48 | ctgp | while i tried to compile its ended like that |
| 20:12.55 | GhostOfPlazma | sounds like you dont even have your soundcard setup or perhaps your kernel doesnt see it |
| 20:13.06 | stew | GhostOfPlazma: who are you talking to? |
| 20:13.14 | ebw | stew: alsaconf succeed |
| 20:13.24 | ebw | stew: alsamixer shows something, but no sound |
| 20:13.26 | stew | ebw: does alsamixer work as root? |
| 20:13.27 | GhostOfPlazma | stew , both edw and ctgp , you cant have all teh fun now |
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| 20:13.58 | stew | GhostOfPlazma: ctgp doesn't need to have his sound card recognized for what he is trying to do |
| 20:14.14 | GhostOfPlazma | stew: ahh, ok then just edw then i suppose |
| 20:14.25 | stew | ebw: are you in the audio group? |
| 20:14.25 | ctgp | just i cant change the volume |
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| 20:14.40 | ctgp | sound work properly |
| 20:14.44 | nikko | Hi. i have a problem with Debian 3.1 install. I get a black sreen when i am starting the installation.My pc is a cq armada m300 |
| 20:14.50 | stew | ctgp: are you in the audio group? |
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| 20:15.02 | stew | ctgp: if sound is working properly, why are you compiling a new version of alsa? |
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| 20:15.15 | ctgp | after compiling it work |
| 20:15.21 | hobby | is the release of etch this month? |
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| 20:15.33 | stew | nikko: did you try the 2.6 kernel? or only the only the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 20:15.38 | stew | hobby: what do you mean? |
| 20:15.38 | ctgp | because on this series f3j sound doesnt work |
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| 20:15.58 | ctgp | with alsa-driver-1.0.13 |
| 20:16.07 | ebw | stew: ok i added me to audio |
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| 20:16.11 | hobby | when will etch be availiabel? |
| 20:16.15 | stew | ebw: log out and back in, and try again |
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| 20:16.26 | stew | hobby: its available now. do you mean released? |
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| 20:16.34 | hobby | yes |
| 20:16.35 | stew | hobby: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 20:16.41 | stew | (/topic) |
| 20:16.54 | stew | ctgp: are you talking about two different sound cards then? |
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| 20:17.04 | stew | ctgp: or what is f3j? |
| 20:17.12 | ctgp | asus laptop series |
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| 20:17.24 | stew | ctgp: so you are talking about two different machines? |
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| 20:17.40 | ctgp | oh no i will explain again :) |
| 20:18.00 | stew | ctgp: ok, so sound is working fine. but doesn't work until after you compile. and you can't compile |
| 20:18.01 | ctgp | i got new laptop which is asus f3j |
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| 20:18.27 | ctgp | first sound didnt work |
| 20:18.29 | nikko | stew: i have debian 3.1r4, and i have try only with this. |
| 20:18.35 | ctgp | even alsa configure properly |
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| 20:18.37 | stew | nikko: /msg dpkg linux26 |
| 20:18.57 | stew | ctgp: then what is the problem? |
| 20:19.04 | ctgp | then i found out that it was a common problem on this model |
| 20:19.11 | stew | what is? |
| 20:19.27 | ctgp | and it fixed by installing alsa-driver-1.0.14 |
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| 20:20.11 | ctgp | and now work properly but i cant change the volume of sound and i cant install alsa-utils-1.0.14 |
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| 20:20.17 | ctgp | i get an error |
| 20:20.27 | ctgp | something like that |
| 20:20.29 | stew | !tell ctgp about enter |
| 20:20.32 | ctgp | alsa-utils-1.0.14rc1/aplay/aplay.c:300: undefined reference to `snd_device_name_free_hint' |
| 20:20.40 | stew | ctgp: why can't you change the volume? |
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| 20:21.05 | thelostbutler | hello folks does any body know what the xml builder library for ruby is ? |
| 20:21.11 | ctgp | because i cant compile alsa-utils-1.0.14 which is not debian packages |
| 20:21.17 | nikko | stew: can you give me more info about ? I am new user with linux & Debian |
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| 20:21.33 | stew | ctgp: why can't you change the volume with alsamixer after install alsa-utils with "aptitude install alsa-utils" ? |
| 20:21.47 | stew | !linux26 |
| 20:21.47 | dpkg | somebody said linux26 was the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
| 20:21.48 | stew | nikko: ^^ |
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| 20:22.22 | ctgp | because alsa-utils-1.0.14 is not in debian packages |
| 20:22.34 | TolstoyInlove | I use debian etch in my laptop. eth0 and eth1 was chanched between IEEEport and lan card? why this happens.? i dont have this problem with sarge ! |
| 20:22.42 | stew | ctgp: why can't you change the volume with the alsa-utils that is in debian pacakges? |
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| 20:23.07 | elein | i have a botched dist-upgrade. someone suggested changing references to etch from stable. I cannot remember where that file is or what it is called. help? |
| 20:23.25 | ctgp | because the sound card on asus f3j has problem like this |
| 20:23.36 | Solak | from etch -> stable? hmm. |
| 20:23.52 | elein | Solak, no stable -> etch |
| 20:23.56 | stew | elein: you can't go from etch to stable. what is making you say it is botched? are you getting errors? |
| 20:24.00 | stew | ctgp: like what? |
| 20:24.23 | ebw | stew: if i try to play a cd, i get, can't access /dev/hda .. |
| 20:24.26 | sussudio | %status |
| 20:24.26 | badgers | Since Wed Jan 31 11:16:03 2007, there have been 0 modifications, 41 questions, 6 dunnos, 1 moron and 18 commands. I have been awake for 21d 9h 8m 23s this session, and currently reference 37124 factoids. I'm using about 16736 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1628.65/69.22 child 1281.98/35.8 |
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| 20:24.41 | ctgp | i dont know everything configured properly but its not work |
| 20:25.10 | stew | ctgp: you have to be more descriptive than "not work" |
| 20:25.13 | elein | no--stable to etch. Where is that file? Sorry for the confusion |
| 20:25.17 | rob___ | hey anyone know why im getting errors about pthreads when im trying to compile any c++ app. no they dont use pthreads |
| 20:25.25 | stew | elein: man sources.list |
| 20:26.33 | ctgp | really if i got any error i mentioned. also now i use alsa-driver-1.0.14 |
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| 20:26.45 | ebw | stew: thanks! |
| 20:26.47 | elein | got it. so is it a sane thing to do to change stable to etch? |
| 20:26.49 | ebw | stew: It works! |
| 20:26.55 | ebw | stew: thats soooo cooooool! |
| 20:26.59 | stew | ctgp: what happens when you try to change the volume with the alsamixer in debian? |
| 20:27.08 | danf_1979 | is php updated on a stable debian release? |
| 20:27.12 | stew | ctgp: nevermind. i get the feeling that you don't want to answer that question. i'm done asking |
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| 20:27.24 | ctgp | nothing |
| 20:27.38 | ctgp | the sound is in maximum value |
| 20:27.48 | danf_1979 | I mean, if php devs figs a security bug, is then a new php version included on the debian stable repos? |
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| 20:27.57 | danf_1979 | fixes* |
| 20:27.59 | ctgp | and i just have to listen too loudly :) |
| 20:28.00 | rob___ | tried moving the pcm volume with alsamixer |
| 20:28.05 | rob___ | ? |
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| 20:28.24 | rob___ | i have to do that ocassionally on my thinkpad |
| 20:28.48 | abrotman | danf_1979: it should get backported if applicable |
| 20:28.51 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 20:28.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 20:28.57 | Zaggynl | boy, synaptic is taking long today with 'applying changes' |
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| 20:29.16 | danf_1979 | thanks abrotman |
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| 20:30.28 | TolstoyInlove | im use etch. my lan card not always eth0? why this happens? |
| 20:30.31 | stew | ctgp: can you pastebin the output of "amixser set Maseter 16"? |
| 20:30.51 | stew | TolstoyInlove: do you have the udev package installed? |
| 20:30.53 | ctgp | ok |
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| 20:31.28 | TolstoyInlove | stew, yes |
| 20:31.57 | stew | TolstoyInlove: the interface names are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 20:32.11 | TolstoyInlove | stew, udev is default in etch! |
| 20:32.16 | ctgp | command not found but i install alsa-utils-1.0.13 already |
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| 20:32.59 | stew | TolstoyInlove: for some values of default |
| 20:33.06 | stew | TolstoyInlove: there is nothing forcing one to use udev in etch |
| 20:33.24 | stew | !find bin/amixer etch |
| 20:33.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/amixer' (1): (/usr/bin/amixer) in sound/alsa-utils. |
| 20:34.09 | stew | ctgp: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy alsa-utils ; file /usr/bin/amixer" ? |
| 20:34.12 | rob___ | im getting errors about pthread.h declarations when im trying to compile any c++ app. i need libpthread-dev for my c programs |
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| 20:34.25 | rob___ | anyone know why this is? |
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| 20:34.33 | xDCDx | hello |
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| 20:35.15 | magnus | Does the testing install cd-image contain linux kernel 2.6.19 or newer? |
| 20:35.26 | xDCDx | I have hda which only has one bootable NTFS partition with Windows XP. I have a bigger hdb disk, which is empty. How can I replicate hda into hdb, so that hdb is bootable, using 'dd' ? |
| 20:35.49 | ctgp | alsa-utils: |
| 20:35.50 | ctgp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.50 | ctgp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.50 | ctgp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.50 | ctgp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:35.53 | stew | magnus: 2.6.18 |
| 20:36.21 | magnus | So if I want to install debian and need to use 2.6.19 for a driver for my sata, it is impossible? :( |
| 20:36.51 | stew | magnus: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.19 ; or if you have 2.6.19 running with some other linux, use debootstrap |
| 20:37.11 | magnus | thanks |
| 20:37.31 | rob___ | or just build you own kernel from source |
| 20:37.57 | stew | kinus: what does "readlink -f /lib/modules/2.6.18-200702211/build" say? |
| 20:38.01 | stew | rob___: he did |
| 20:38.08 | stew | echan |
| 20:38.21 | stew | rob___: ignore me |
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| 20:40.11 | magnus | hm dpkg did not have any info in sarge 2.6.19 |
| 20:40.22 | bzed | magnus: for 2.6.19 you'll need at least a recent udev version , which is avaiable form backports.org |
| 20:41.57 | stew | !sarge 2.6.19 |
| 20:42.02 | stew | !stable 2.6.19 |
| 20:42.05 | magnus | !sarge 2.6.19 |
| 20:42.09 | bzed | !ping |
| 20:42.09 | dpkg | pong |
| 20:42.09 | magnus | !stable 2.6.19 |
| 20:42.32 | stew | magnus: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 20:42.34 | TolstoyInlove | stew, thanks for your help |
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| 20:43.58 | magnus | stew: woha, thanks! :) |
| 20:44.32 | bzed | magnus: I'd install etch, though. |
| 20:44.59 | stew | bzed: how would you recommend he install etch? |
| 20:45.16 | stew | bzed: with custom d-i? |
| 20:45.38 | Solak | elein: ah, yes. |
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| 20:46.05 | bzed | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD ? |
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| 20:47.09 | shawn___ | How do I find out how much space I have left on my hd? |
| 20:47.16 | stew | shawn___: df or df -h |
| 20:47.16 | bzed | df |
| 20:47.50 | bzed | and use du to find out what's wasting it ;) |
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| 20:48.25 | magnus | bzed: is etch stable? |
| 20:48.39 | stew | magnus: no |
| 20:48.42 | magnus | I would like a debian sid install image with latest kernels and everything :D |
| 20:48.44 | stew | magnus: its currently testing |
| 20:48.45 | abrotman | in practice yes .. in name .. no |
| 20:48.52 | stew | magnus: why do you want sid? |
| 20:48.58 | bzed | magnus: sarge is still 'sable' |
| 20:49.02 | bzed | stable |
| 20:49.03 | magnus | ok as long as it has 2.6.19 (that sarge image on that backported site), I can later dist-upgrade to etch |
| 20:49.12 | shawn___ | K |
| 20:49.16 | abrotman | etch doesn't have 2.6.19 |
| 20:49.32 | bzed | magnus: i thikn you can select testing or unstable in thje old installer... not sure, though |
| 20:49.37 | magnus | the sarge image on backported have 2.6.20 |
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| 20:50.28 | bzed | we're using it on prduction servers since months. works well so far :) |
| 20:50.40 | Assid | bzed: etch? |
| 20:50.43 | bzed | yes |
| 20:51.49 | bzed | but it's onbly a very minimal install |
| 20:52.34 | bzed | we're have build all daemons from source since normal packages wouldn;t have worked for us |
| 20:52.57 | bzed | s/'re// |
| 20:53.38 | ebw | If I want to get rid of apt trying to access a cd it is sufficient to delete the entry in sources.list ? |
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| 20:54.18 | stew | ebw: you also must run "apt-get update" anytime you edit that file |
| 20:54.38 | ebw | stew: thanks |
| 20:55.42 | ebw | stew: with deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib I should have all binary packages for debian available? |
| 20:55.56 | holycow | http://gamedrift.com/articles.php?a=275 <-- ouch |
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| 20:57.09 | stew | ebw: you should also have "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 20:57.13 | abrotman | holycow: are you spamming us? |
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| 20:57.27 | gato_ast | hola |
| 20:57.31 | holycow | i supppose i am |
| 20:57.32 | holycow | sorry |
| 20:57.51 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:57.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:59.17 | d00d | I'm having probs with any media player when i load amarok or Totem they just freeze |
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| 20:59.28 | ebw | stew: I have this thanks |
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| 21:02.21 | abrotman | d00d: tried different types of media files? which version of debian ? |
| 21:02.37 | ebw | there is emacs-lisp-intro package, I thought there would have been a more extensive manual for emacs lisp, did that package vanish? |
| 21:02.44 | d00d | does only on videos |
| 21:02.46 | d00d | on VLC |
| 21:02.50 | d00d | it loads but its laggy |
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| 21:03.06 | abrotman | all videos? |
| 21:03.10 | d00d | hea |
| 21:03.11 | d00d | yeah |
| 21:03.14 | d00d | maybe xine ? |
| 21:03.43 | d00d | wmv file ^ |
| 21:04.17 | abrotman | are they all wmv ? |
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| 21:05.40 | AntiInit | :( Need support for Broadcom 4318 (in new kernel) but new kernel crashes at bood :( |
| 21:05.40 | d00d | and no sound |
| 21:05.40 | stew | ebw: i know some of the documentation was moved to emacs21-common-non-dfsg, don't know if that has elisp info or not |
| 21:05.46 | d00d | either |
| 21:05.49 | AntiInit | s/bood/boot |
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| 21:05.54 | d00d | ive only tryed wmv |
| 21:05.55 | ebw | stew: thanks |
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| 21:06.30 | AntiInit | anyone know of any new kernel-inage packages i.e. >2.6.18 |
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| 21:07.00 | AntiInit | takes about 30 mins to compile, then crashes at boot. Grrr |
| 21:07.21 | AntiInit | some spurious interupt... |
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| 21:08.42 | stoned | abrotman: msg |
| 21:08.42 | d00d | abrotman, etch only tryed avi and wmv and no sound on them there laggy |
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| 21:08.59 | Suprano_ | i can't compile any application that is based on the wx lib, the one compiles but returns millions of undefined reference and the other refuses to compile due to errors in /usr/include/wx-2.6/wx* |
| 21:09.12 | mo1991 | can someone tell me how I can switch to another application or minimize a full screen game while keeping the game open? |
| 21:09.14 | d00d | abrotman, fixed it |
| 21:09.30 | stoned | abrotman: sound quality is so much cleaner now |
| 21:09.42 | Wolfcastle | mo1991: if you find out how to do it please let me know |
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| 21:09.50 | abrotman | d00d: ? |
| 21:10.18 | mo1991 | wolfcastle - alt enter brings game to smaller window but focus of keyboard and mouse still stay with the game |
| 21:10.32 | Wolfcastle | mo1991: yes that only works with some games |
| 21:10.53 | Wolfcastle | mo1991: I don't understand why alt+tab doesn't work |
| 21:11.31 | justin_ | mo1991: what game is this? |
| 21:13.43 | mo1991 | enemy territory |
| 21:14.07 | justin_ | mo1991: what happens if you hit ~ after switching to window mode? |
| 21:14.08 | mo1991 | wolfenstein |
| 21:14.39 | mo1991 | justin |
| 21:14.57 | mo1991 | what happens is the function of the ~ key in the game program |
| 21:15.07 | justin_ | mo1991: yes, and your mouse? |
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| 21:15.20 | mo1991 | et |
| 21:15.26 | mo1991 | one sec |
| 21:15.33 | loca|host | what's the best iptables gui configurator ? |
| 21:15.47 | stew | !best |
| 21:15.47 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 21:15.55 | writerz_ | SaLuT A tOuS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:16.06 | mo1991 | justin - thank you this solved the problem. Have the game open right now. |
| 21:16.22 | mo1991 | gotta hit ~ and then the mouse gets free of the game |
| 21:16.43 | writerz_ | bon personne d'interessant j'me casse |
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| 21:16.56 | TonyStark | aaagoodnight to everyone |
| 21:17.01 | streuner | !fr |
| 21:17.01 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:17.22 | darxeth | anyone play wow here? :D |
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| 21:17.37 | TonyStark | I'm trying to solve a partition moagic error for a friend. It wipped away all his partitions, in a wiki I have readed that chkdsk /r solves this, but I cannot apt-cache search chkdsk... anyone? |
| 21:17.42 | ipfreely | no wow now |
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| 21:18.03 | stew | TonyStark: chkdsk is a windows tool, not a linux tool |
| 21:18.23 | TonyStark | stew, orl, I didi not know it... |
| 21:18.42 | Basic_py | Looking on clarification on /etc/apt/sources.lists.d, should apt look at /etc/apt/sources.list and then source files in lex order in /etc/apt/sources.lists.d ? |
| 21:18.42 | mo1991 | justin - I would think that there is some other way tho - like wolfcastle said alt enter only works for some games. For example playing counterstrike via cedega uses full screen and cannot be minimized |
| 21:18.59 | Flimzy | What happened to libc6-xen? does it not exist for amd64? or does it just not exist any more? |
| 21:19.02 | TonyStark | Stevie, is there some way to do it under linux? |
| 21:19.19 | anapivirtua | Night |
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| 21:20.06 | simonrvn | day |
| 21:20.17 | streuner | TonyStark: well, to check partitions only for windows (like vfat or NTFS) there are nothing in linux |
| 21:20.29 | streuner | s/are/is/ |
| 21:20.37 | TonyStark | streumer oh well :( |
| 21:21.45 | streuner | you usually use there tools to check the partition or just remove it and use something else ;-) |
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| 21:21.49 | OoberMick | I have created a user with a rbash shell but when I "su -" in to the account all the rbash stuff stops working. The user can cd to any directory or execute commands starting with /. If the user logs in normally or su's (without the -) everything works. Does anyone have any idea what is going on? |
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| 21:22.14 | Wolfcastle | mo1991: one thing you can do is open another session for games |
| 21:22.25 | Wolfcastle | mo1991: then you just switch with alt+ctr+FX |
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| 21:23.23 | riot | why does my MTA _hang_ on boot for 2+ minutes, when not connected to a network?? This is VERY annoying when booting a notebook on the road.... |
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| 21:24.36 | riot | i did not really configure it, nor do i really need any mail-stuff on my notebook |
| 21:24.36 | stew | riot: its timing out trying to do dns lookups on your mailname |
| 21:24.36 | stew | riot: you do need mail stuff on your notebook |
| 21:24.36 | riot | stew: why is it doing that by default? |
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| 21:24.37 | riot | stew: yes, but only local, as far as i understand it. |
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| 21:24.37 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 21:24.37 | riot | this is SO annoying |
| 21:24.37 | streuner | TonyStark: so what FS is it? |
| 21:24.37 | riot | it makes debian unusable! |
| 21:24.38 | simonrvn | reconfig for no checks on boot |
| 21:24.48 | riot | simonrvn: how do i do that? it never asked me. |
| 21:24.54 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:24.54 | TonyStark | streuner, it is NTFS I'm Afraid, my riend is a windows guy |
| 21:25.02 | HymnToLife | riot, edit /etc/network/interface and disable the automatic ifup |
| 21:25.06 | riot | simonrvn: hmm. guess with another priority then? |
| 21:25.10 | riot | HymnToLife: not a solution. |
| 21:25.21 | HymnToLife | why not ? |
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| 21:25.27 | HymnToLife | it works very well for me |
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| 21:25.38 | riot | HymnToLife: because i want automatic ifup when i'm NOT on the road. |
| 21:25.38 | stew | riot: what does "cat /etc/mailname" say? waht does "getent hosts $(cat /etc/mailname)" say? |
| 21:26.19 | OoberMick | riot: maybe you should try ifplugd |
| 21:27.12 | mo1991 | can someone explain what the encrypted file systems in debian etch do? Can I convert an existing system over without data loss? |
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| 21:30.04 | riot | stew: ok, i put the mailname into /etc/hosts.. this should solve that problem, heh? But doesn't that problem occur very often? Shouldn't that be avoided at install-time? I guess most new users just ignore it and show patience.. :/ |
| 21:30.37 | simonrvn | it asks you when it installs |
| 21:30.41 | mo1991 | I guess I don't mean what does it do - I relize that it encypts the data, but at what encryption standard - and do you need an unencrypted boot partition as I have seen some howto's say |
| 21:30.44 | simonrvn | the first time |
| 21:31.04 | ipfreely | itchi: hey sorry to bug you but i cant get any help in #supybot, the suck ass |
| 21:31.11 | ipfreely | s/the/they/ |
| 21:31.26 | apk | mo1991: Yes, you need an unencrypted /boot. Unless you put your kernel and an initrd on a cd or usb stick or something. |
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| 21:31.28 | ipfreely | anybody else here use supybot ? |
| 21:32.38 | mo1991 | apk - can I encrypt existing data or no? |
| 21:33.11 | apk | mo1991: No. You have to creeate an encrypted partition, then copy data to it. |
| 21:33.45 | mo1991 | Wolfcastle - btw thanks for the creat a new login idea works at least |
| 21:33.59 | mo1991 | apk - how is the data encrypted once transferred? |
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| 21:34.15 | loca|host | what's the best iptables gui configurator ? |
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| 21:34.39 | apk | mo1991: The data is encrypted at the block level. Even your fs drivers don't know it is encrypted. |
| 21:34.56 | bzed | loca|host: fwbuilder imho. but I'm faster in vi |
| 21:35.31 | loca|host | bzed, for complex networks .. :) |
| 21:35.35 | bzed | ipfreely: well, supybot sucks, maybe that's the problem :P |
| 21:36.23 | ipfreely | bzed: well i picked it for the fact that i want to learn python |
| 21:36.34 | ipfreely | but as of today im annoyed at the lack of documentation |
| 21:37.09 | ipfreely | anyhow i have a bot that i use on a gentoo server but it connects to /dev/tcp which is not available in debian |
| 21:37.13 | ipfreely | anyway to get around that ? |
| 21:37.14 | bzed | loca|host: well, the last firewall I've setup has a shell script of about 2000 lines plus like 50 configuration files for the different subnets, dmz, and what else we need |
| 21:37.30 | apk | mo1991: btw, last I heard, loop-aes was better security than dmcrypt. |
| 21:37.49 | bzed | ipfreely: /dev/tcp is a weird, bad hack from bash |
| 21:38.02 | ipfreely | ya but workaround be ? |
| 21:38.06 | bzed | ipfreely: and docu for supybot? you have the source, it's not complicated |
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| 21:38.17 | bzed | ipfreely: re-build bash with those crappy extensions |
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| 21:38.48 | bzed | or change the bot's code to use netcat or something serious |
| 21:39.27 | ipfreely | i'll go nc |
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| 21:42.02 | hdxx | hello, i want to install debian, and i wanst to ask, how many css are for install |
| 21:42.09 | hdxx | cds* |
| 21:42.16 | Gnurdux | depends what kind of install |
| 21:42.17 | apk | 1. |
| 21:42.20 | liran_ | I believe there are about 13 but you only need one. |
| 21:42.38 | Gnurdux | if you do a network install, you only need one, because it gets all the packages from the web while installing. Thats probably a good idea |
| 21:42.49 | hdxx | ok tnx, the others packets i will download from internet :) |
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| 21:44.18 | hdxx | is version 4 good for using, or is better 3 |
| 21:44.22 | rahul | hdxx: 0 |
| 21:44.35 | rahul | etch will probably be fine |
| 21:44.48 | bzed | !tell hdxx about testing |
| 21:44.49 | rahul | you can install debian without any cds |
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| 21:45.50 | DeathWolf | hello all, what's the name of the package that has all the devtools in it(gcc&all)? |
| 21:45.59 | DeathWolf | there was one that had all the typical needed devtools packages |
| 21:46.01 | rahul | "all"? |
| 21:46.08 | rahul | build-essential will pull in some of them |
| 21:46.09 | stew | DeathWolf: build-essential |
| 21:46.10 | DeathWolf | ok |
| 21:46.11 | DeathWolf | thanks |
| 21:46.22 | rahul | also, apt-get build-dep <packge> |
| 21:46.27 | DeathWolf | yeah:) |
| 21:46.58 | D0ug | What audio programs can organize songs based upon their ID3 tag info? |
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| 21:47.18 | DeathWolf | thanks |
| 21:47.18 | hdxx | tnx guys for answers |
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| 21:47.21 | bzed | D0ug: amarok |
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| 21:47.28 | D0ug | Other than amarok? |
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| 21:47.51 | bzed | hmm, there was some gnome replacement for it.. but.. amarok rocks :D |
| 21:48.03 | bzed | or are you looking for some console stuff? |
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| 21:49.16 | lando | bzed: i think the replacement was called listen |
| 21:50.54 | D0ug | Thank you |
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| 21:50.54 | fsmunoz_ | D0ug, have you tried exaile or listen ? I'm not sure they can, they just seem to be the closest clones of Amarok, maybe they also have that feature... |
| 21:50.54 | D0ug | Thank you; I did not previously know of any alternatives to Amarok (otherthan XMMS) |
| 21:50.54 | ipfreely | after install something apt-get install blah, how do i find out where each and every file of blah went ? |
| 21:50.55 | apk | ipfreely: dpkg --contents |
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| 21:50.55 | fsmunoz_ | D0ug, the above are GTK/GNOME answers' to Amarok. Add "banshee" to the mix, a Mono app. |
| 21:52.10 | fsmunoz_ | And Rhytmbox... on the simpler side you have xmms, beep media player, audacious, ad nauseuam |
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| 21:52.27 | fsmunoz_ | And Rhytmbox... on the simpler side you have xmms, beep media player, audacious, ad nauseuam |
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| 21:53.06 | nn-main | how do i format a ftape tape I tryed and got the error" switching to rawmode : invaled argument " Then quit !?? |
| 21:53.12 | bzed | BMP sucks imho |
| 21:53.21 | DeathWolf | hello again, i'm getting a Failed to fetch http://[...]/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4_amd64.deb 404 Not Found despite doing an apt-get update, what should i do? |
| 21:53.35 | nn-main | what is rong how do i fix it |
| 21:53.41 | fsmunoz_ | bzed, never used it. They all seem like XMMS, although by screenshots BMP2 is more like amarok. |
| 21:53.45 | bzed | D0ug: if you're missing something in amarok, give the version from experimental a try. schould install cleanly and works well :) |
| 21:53.46 | maddash | DeathWolf: what's inside [...]? |
| 21:53.46 | ipfreely | apk: and if it says 'failed to read archive' |
| 21:53.55 | DeathWolf | http://amd64.debian.net/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4_amd64.deb |
| 21:54.04 | DeathWolf | the correct file in that dir seems to be tagged sarge5 |
| 21:54.06 | apk | ipfreely: then you've got a bad .deb. |
| 21:54.13 | fsmunoz_ | Amarok still sets the standard in completeness. |
| 21:54.15 | maddash | DeathWolf: try another repo |
| 21:54.29 | bzed | fsmunoz: dunno bmp2, but bmp is just a gtk2 rip of xmms, with a lot of plugins missing |
| 21:54.30 | ipfreely | apk: even if i remove, purge it, it keeps saying the samething |
| 21:54.31 | DeathWolf | suggestions for amd64? |
| 21:54.38 | ipfreely | apk: is there a better way to clean it ? |
| 21:54.52 | apk | ipfreely: purge it, delete the .deb from /var/cache/apt/archives, then reinstall |
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| 21:55.31 | thedonvaughn | does sarge use udev by default? |
| 21:55.32 | bzed | there's also some new xmms thing as far as I remember... som kind of server/client thing I think |
| 21:55.56 | fsmunoz_ | bzed, yes, xmms2 |
| 21:56.26 | bzed | thedonvaughn: sarge comes with an old version of udev, not sure if it uses it as defualt, though. I think when sarge came out devfs was 'in' |
| 21:56.28 | fsmunoz_ | bzed, not planning to use it though, the whole "music server" thing for my laptop is overkill. |
| 21:56.45 | thedonvaughn | bzed: ok thats what i thought i appreciate it.. you help me more than you know :) |
| 21:56.50 | ipfreely | apk: samething, do you think its a bad pkg ? |
| 21:56.57 | apk | ipfreely: sounds like it. |
| 21:57.00 | bzed | fsmunoz: exactly. a simple player does it's job on my laptop |
| 21:57.12 | fsmunoz_ | Indeed |
| 21:57.21 | bzed | thedonvaughn: if you want to use a recent kernel you need to install udev from backports.org or you'll run into problems |
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| 21:57.45 | reber | hi |
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| 21:58.18 | nn-main | how do i format a ftape tape I tryed and got the error" switching to rawmode : invaled argument " any sugestions? |
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| 21:58.47 | reber | Is snort-inline packaged inside snort package ? If not, wich IPS is recommanded in debian ? |
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| 21:59.13 | Supaplex | !tell reber -about apt-file |
| 21:59.27 | ipfreely | apk: "dpkg -L pkgname" works |
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| 22:00.00 | apk | ipfreely: dpkg --contents is the same as dpkg -L |
| 22:00.04 | apk | oh. |
| 22:00.10 | apk | you didn't specify a package. |
| 22:00.14 | reber | Supaplex, not related to my question. |
| 22:00.18 | reber | at all. |
| 22:00.18 | ipfreely | apk: no |
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| 22:00.27 | ipfreely | dpkg --contents a.deb |
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| 22:00.38 | ipfreely | dpkg -L pkg is for something already installed |
| 22:00.38 | dpkg | ii pkg is for something already installed 3.5-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:00.53 | ipfreely | dpkg not u |
| 22:02.15 | apk | hmm. go figure. |
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| 22:06.16 | Azar | stoned |
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| 22:07.28 | meff | is there a way to give preference to a certain usb mass storage device so i can get them in a certain order? my pmp and ext hdd keep switching devs |
| 22:08.08 | Azar | tarzeau |
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| 22:10.02 | mo1991 | what is a good video editor / cutter / joiner/ etc for debian |
| 22:10.45 | amphi | mo1991: cat'll join mpegs ;) |
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| 22:11.06 | amphi | mo1991: there's a bunch of avi utilities |
| 22:11.13 | mo1991 | are there any advanced video editors? |
| 22:11.16 | maddash | dd |
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| 22:12.39 | StucKman | hi all. I'm having problems with a sata disk. thing is, I run reiserfsck and there are some (lots :( ) of bad blocks. the reiserfsck does not have a -c option, so I had to run badblocks by hand. now, backblocks mentions that you have to provide the correct blocksize. I run debugreiserfs to get the block size, which I gave to bad blocks. was that correct? |
| 22:13.07 | stew | mo1991: kino is popular. no idea if it does what you are lookning for |
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| 22:15.31 | PaulFM | howdy all |
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| 22:16.09 | PaulFM | Can some kind soul please tell me how i use partimage to clone a complete drive... I only see an option to copy 1 partition at a time |
| 22:16.45 | PaulFM | if I make an image of each of all my partitions.. is there an easy way to write all of them back to a given drive? |
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| 22:17.21 | bzed | I'd neveer make an image of a full drive |
| 22:17.28 | StucKman | PaulFM: yes, except for the partiotioning itself, I think |
| 22:17.30 | bzed | if your new one is a bit too smal you'll run into issues |
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| 22:17.59 | PaulFM | bzed: well I need to copy an entire installation more than once |
| 22:18.13 | Enquest | is "mod_python 3" on Debian |
| 22:18.30 | bzed | python 3 is not evern released |
| 22:18.37 | PaulFM | StuckMan: ...so I need to make the partitions on the destination drive manually... then restore individual partitions form partimage? |
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| 22:18.49 | bzed | PaulFM: you can use sfdisk for that |
| 22:18.57 | StucKman | PaulFM: from what I know, yes, but I never really used partimage |
| 22:18.59 | Enquest | Django requires Apache 2.x and mod_python 3.x, |
| 22:19.07 | Enquest | what do they then ask? |
| 22:19.13 | sohmestra | Enquest: 2.3, perhaps. |
| 22:19.17 | bzed | PaulFM: sfdisk -d /dev/hda will give you something you can use to restore them later |
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| 22:19.33 | stew | Enquest: no debian only has 2.7 so far |
| 22:19.35 | nyty | hello |
| 22:19.39 | nyty | i need help with compiling kernel |
| 22:19.48 | nyty | http://www.xcomputer.cz/DetailPage.asp?DPG=65162 i`m compiling for this mainboard |
| 22:19.51 | Enquest | hmm, and is mod_python 2.3 compatible with python2.4 |
| 22:19.52 | nyty | but i have problem |
| 22:20.00 | nyty | it says kernel panic, cannot mount VFS |
| 22:20.02 | bzed | Enquest: ah, it has it's own version. yes, it's >3 in debian |
| 22:20.03 | stew | Enquest: mod_python 2.3 doesn't exist |
| 22:20.04 | nyty | i dont know why :\ |
| 22:20.04 | sohmestra | Enquest: no. |
| 22:20.22 | PaulFM | bzed: sfdisk.. thanks |
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| 22:20.30 | stew | !info libapache-mod-python stabe |
| 22:20.32 | sohmestra | Enquest: I run Django using python 2.3. |
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| 22:20.48 | sohmestra | Enquest: so 2.4 is not required. |
| 22:20.49 | stew | sohmestra: he's talking about mod_python, not python |
| 22:20.49 | bzed | Enquest: the mod_python from etch will work with python2.4, and i assume sarge's mod_python will work with py 2.3 |
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| 22:20.58 | StucKman | stew: yes it does, in sif |
| 22:21.00 | StucKman | sid* |
| 22:21.04 | PaulFM | so... am I looking at the wrong thing... what is the best entire disk cloning too I could use? |
| 22:21.07 | bzed | Enquest: in the worst case you can still run django as fcgi server |
| 22:21.14 | stew | !info libapache-mod-python stable |
| 22:21.19 | dpkg | libapache-mod-python: (An Apache module that embeds Python within the server), section python, is optional. Version: 2:2.7.10-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 22:21.23 | stew | StucKman: it does what? |
| 22:21.25 | Enquest | no problem I'm simple setting up a debian django server |
| 22:21.27 | Raspberry | has anybody else had issues with the response speed of qmail SMTP server for the last few months? I'm thinking it's an intentional "delay" feature that waits about 15 seconds before accepting SMTP connections... |
| 22:21.28 | _JusSx_ | " |
| 22:21.38 | bzed | PaulFM: what do you exactly want to do? |
| 22:21.41 | StucKman | stew: libapache-mod-python2.3, exists, in sid |
| 22:21.42 | _JusSx_ | "/QUIT |
| 22:21.45 | bzed | PaulFM: setup debian several times? |
| 22:22.01 | stew | StucKman: which is version 2.7 not version >3 or version 2.3 |
| 22:22.07 | bzed | Raspberry: I'd just leave that on, it's not a bug but a feature |
| 22:22.08 | Raspberry | it occurred after running an apt-get update | upgrade a few months ago and I ompiled the new version qmail for sarge |
| 22:22.18 | PaulFM | bzed: I want to be able to duplicate my entire deb setup for all the computers I have at home... ahem.... all 6 of them |
| 22:22.20 | Raspberry | bzed: that's what I thought... and it does help with spam |
| 22:22.40 | sohmestra | stew, Enquest: in any case, Django runs on sarge just fine, if that's what you're wondering. |
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| 22:22.51 | bzed | PaulFM: probably not enough to use FAI |
| 22:23.08 | PaulFM | bzed: FAI? |
| 22:23.10 | Raspberry | bzed: it'd just be nice if it wouldn't delay MY emails :) Because if I try sending three or four quick emails to people... it will reject them and I have to send them one at a time waiting about 30-60 seconds between each |
| 22:23.12 | Enquest | sohmestra, I'm doing a reinstall because I got very strange results |
| 22:23.19 | bzed | PaulFM: but you could just do a normal install, and then use dpkg --get-selections on the installed one and --set-selections on the others |
| 22:23.21 | StucKman | stew: ah, yes, right. |
| 22:23.38 | Azar | baahahahahahahahaaa bwahahahahahahahaha!! oh my god Im rolling on the floor!!! hahahaahaaa ESR bails redhat/fedora moves to ubuntu!! ahahahahahahaha!!! |
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| 22:23.47 | stew | easy |
| 22:23.47 | bzed | Raspberry: sound slike a configuration issue.. can;t help you with that, sorry |
| 22:23.54 | Raspberry | bzed: no problem :) |
| 22:23.58 | bzed | Azar: wuz? |
| 22:23.59 | Azar | oh sorry |
| 22:24.05 | Azar | I could not resist! |
| 22:24.28 | Azar | the open source idol |
| 22:24.30 | PaulFM | bzed: ...dpkg --get-selections .... hmm... sounds interesting |
| 22:24.41 | stew | idol? |
| 22:24.50 | Azar | stew: so was called by some |
| 22:24.55 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 22:25.06 | stew | ELER didn't cover it yet |
| 22:25.07 | Raspberry | One final question ... Does anybody know a good resource to configure qmail's SMTP server to accept user/pass authentication from users outside of the tcp.smtp allow list? I'd like to use my own SMTP server to send email when I'm out of the office @ wi-fi shops instead of adding their IP address (temporarily) to the tcp.smtp file and recompiling the cdb |
| 22:25.09 | debuggerboy | how to modify the $PATH variable? Anyone knows it? |
| 22:25.11 | cokeslut | don't know |
| 22:25.14 | Azar | bathroom time read: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=07/02/21/1340237 |
| 22:25.24 | bzed | PaulFM: paste it in a file, cat that into dpkg --set-selections on your taget machine.. and then apt-get install should do the magic.. I think |
| 22:25.41 | StucKman | debuggerboy: temporarily or permanently? |
| 22:25.50 | bzed | debuggerboy: edit /etc/profile if you want to change it for all users, or ~/.bashrc for you |
| 22:25.53 | debuggerboy | friends, can anyone say how can I modify the $PATH variable in debian |
| 22:25.53 | PaulFM | bzed: sfdisk -d ... will dump all partitions.... can I restore them onto an unpartitioned drive? |
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| 22:26.08 | bzed | PaulFM: yes |
| 22:26.24 | debuggerboy | I want it to change for all users. |
| 22:26.44 | PaulFM | bzed: but will its just dump the partition spec... or all the data too?..like every bit? |
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| 22:27.10 | StucKman | debuggerboy: then edit /etc/profile |
| 22:27.24 | bzed | PaulFM: it dumps only the content of your partition table.. where partitions start and where they end |
| 22:27.27 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.27 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:27.39 | debuggerboy | thanx.. but can u tell me where (which line) |
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| 22:27.56 | debuggerboy | like some.... identification line.... |
| 22:28.01 | PaulFM | bzed: ahaa.... coool..... theen I suppose I can use partimage to read partition data back in |
| 22:28.03 | StucKman | debuggerboy: the line that says something about PATH... |
| 22:28.12 | bzed | debuggerboy: the long one with PATH in... |
| 22:28.12 | Enquest | thanxs for the quick replay's |
| 22:28.14 | stew | debuggerboy: the one that says PATH=... |
| 22:28.20 | debuggerboy | okay... thanx let me check the file.. |
| 22:28.27 | StucKman | debuggerboy: it's very system dependent |
| 22:28.37 | bzed | PaulFM: true, then you can use partimage |
| 22:29.01 | bzed | PaulFM: as far as I remember partimage iss scriptable |
| 22:29.01 | PaulFM | bzed: thanks.... imma try it :-) |
| 22:29.07 | bzed | np |
| 22:29.11 | dr1v3r | guys i am trying to setup sendmail mstp auth but when i telnet i keep getting an error saying my ip may be forged. |
| 22:29.17 | debuggerboy | Let me try, Thanx for the help!!! |
| 22:29.17 | dr1v3r | everything was installed using apt |
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| 22:29.24 | dr1v3r | and i have sasl installed also |
| 22:29.27 | PaulFM | bzed: cool... thats hat I need |
| 22:29.34 | m1ke_l | what is this: "ls: reading directory .: Too many open files" |
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| 22:30.21 | StucKman | dr1v3r: does it really have to be sendmail? i would suggest postfix or even exim4 |
| 22:30.53 | dr1v3r | its all setup now lol, and plus exim was to complicated for me to figure out :( |
| 22:31.07 | dr1v3r | i am still learning all this stuff lol |
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| 22:31.29 | StucKman | dr1v3r: do you already handle sendmail well? |
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| 22:31.57 | StucKman | dr1v3r: because if not, then it's the worst election |
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| 22:32.34 | dr1v3r | its all working yea, i am just needing smtp auth as i want to use OL to send and receive the mail |
| 22:32.53 | StucKman | OL? |
| 22:33.00 | dr1v3r | sorry outlook |
| 22:33.10 | dr1v3r | and other clients |
| 22:33.17 | PaulFM | can anyone tell me.. does norton ghost work with ext2/ext3.. ie can I boot a debian install and clone it? |
| 22:33.19 | StucKman | dr1v3r: any smtp will work |
| 22:33.19 | barefoot | m1ke_l: it means that you have too many open files or there are too many in said dir to open: sysctl -a | grep fs.file-max |
| 22:33.22 | bzed | m1ke_l: well sound liek you have too many open files ;) |
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| 22:33.37 | m1ke_l | thanks but fs.file-max-65536 |
| 22:34.14 | m1ke_l | i just loaded amarok and it started scanning my mp3s |
| 22:34.21 | m1ke_l | there are less than 65536 |
| 22:34.24 | bzed | m1ke_l: ulimit -a << it's usually set to 1024 files per user |
| 22:34.26 | m1ke_l | or am i reading that number wrong? |
| 22:34.28 | dr1v3r | StucKman i keep getting a relay denied error saying my ip is forged |
| 22:34.32 | barefoot | m1ke_l: ulimit -n new_number |
| 22:34.33 | bzed | and it should not have so many opened |
| 22:34.58 | StucKman | dr1v3r: my advice is: if you're about to learn on how to configure a smtp, it better be postfix or exim4 instead of sendmail. if you already know how to configure sendmail, then keep going with your plans |
| 22:35.34 | m1ke_l | ulimit - unlimited |
| 22:35.45 | bzed | m1ke_l: for files? |
| 22:35.58 | m1ke_l | i type ulimit and the answer is unlimited |
| 22:36.05 | bzed | ulimit -n |
| 22:36.05 | bzed | or -a |
| 22:36.10 | bzed | open files (-n) 1024 |
| 22:36.23 | m1ke_l | i see now |
| 22:36.44 | mindframe | is there a way to show package version information with apt-cache ? |
| 22:36.47 | m1ke_l | now its set to 15000 |
| 22:36.51 | m1ke_l | mindframe, apt-cache show |
| 22:36.58 | rahul | heh |
| 22:37.04 | rahul | showpkg for derived information |
| 22:37.08 | m1ke_l | do i have to do somthing for that ulimit to take effect? |
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| 22:37.52 | barefoot | no |
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| 22:38.33 | bzed | yes |
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| 22:38.51 | bzed | actually I doubt you can change it, it should not be allowed to change for the normal user |
| 22:39.04 | bzed | only by the use of pam_limits |
| 22:39.10 | Wolfcastle | greetings |
| 22:39.11 | m1ke_l | even as root when i make it 25000 i cannot list contents of folder |
| 22:39.12 | Wolfcastle | how do I create a virtual midi device? |
| 22:39.30 | bzed | m1ke_l: you can change it as root only for the current shell |
| 22:39.58 | bzed | m1ke_l: and actualyl, I'm running amarok with some more than 1000 files, it works very well... with ulimit -n set to 1024 |
| 22:40.03 | m1ke_l | right..ulimit -n 25000; ls /mnt/mp3s Too many open files |
| 22:40.13 | m1ke_l | i have 25,000 |
| 22:40.18 | m1ke_l | or so |
| 22:40.31 | bzed | ls should not open a file if I'm not wrong |
| 22:40.32 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 22:40.37 | m1ke_l | i switched back to amarko 'cause rythmbox and others cant handle that many |
| 22:40.41 | HardDisk_WP | I have a directory full of files |
| 22:40.52 | HardDisk_WP | every file has a file named other, but same md5sum |
| 22:41.05 | HardDisk_WP | any way to search & destroy the dupes based on md5sum? |
| 22:41.23 | bzed | m1ke_l: which filesystem are your files on? and what does cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr say? |
| 22:41.27 | xand | yes, but i dont know about easily |
| 22:41.28 | pickcoder | how do you get vim to re-format C source? |
| 22:41.34 | m1ke_l | smb mounted |
| 22:41.48 | m1ke_l | 3648 0 65536 |
| 22:41.56 | bzed | ah |
| 22:42.00 | m1ke_l | oh? |
| 22:42.02 | bzed | then it's a samba issue |
| 22:42.08 | m1ke_l | damn that samba |
| 22:42.16 | Enquest | sohmestra, do I need to make django www-data:www-data |
| 22:42.17 | bzed | my gues is that you need to change that on the server |
| 22:42.18 | m1ke_l | maybe uilmit on the server? |
| 22:42.20 | bzed | not sure, though |
| 22:42.21 | bzed | no |
| 22:42.26 | bzed | more a limit of smb |
| 22:42.30 | bzed | smbd |
| 22:42.33 | m1ke_l | ok...ill turn nfs back no |
| 22:42.34 | bzed | but that's just a guess |
| 22:42.35 | m1ke_l | on |
| 22:42.37 | jae | Where's the permissions for /dev/vg0 (lvm volume group) being set? (Using udev) |
| 22:42.38 | bzed | yeah |
| 22:42.42 | bzed | nfs is faster, too |
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| 22:43.19 | mindframe | anyone here use truecrypt in debian? |
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| 22:43.37 | bzed | jae: lvm creates those devices |
| 22:44.03 | stew | bzed: are you sure lvm doesn and not udev? |
| 22:44.10 | bzed | stew: 99% |
| 22:44.32 | bzed | not completely, though |
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| 22:44.56 | pickcoder | gah.. never mind |
| 22:45.28 | bzed | I don't even have /dev/vg0 |
| 22:45.51 | stew | bzed: do you have a vg named vg0? |
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| 22:46.21 | jae | All I want is to give it +rx for "other" |
| 22:46.24 | bzed | no, but I don;t even have a device file with the name of my VG |
| 22:46.34 | bzed | I doubt you can do that on VGs |
| 22:46.47 | jae | To the volume group dir, not the volumes themselves, of course |
| 22:46.52 | stew | bzed: i have /dev/$vgname |
| 22:46.52 | m1ke_l | my problems are solved via nfs....thanks |
| 22:47.02 | jae | I can set it manually, but I want to keep across reboots |
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| 22:47.18 | bzed | hmm, I have only devicves for the volumes |
| 22:47.32 | bzed | that's somethign you should be able to change in udev, since they're vreated by dm |
| 22:47.37 | bzed | *created |
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| 22:48.01 | jae | And how and where? |
| 22:48.31 | bzed | # device mapper creates its own device nodes, so ignore these |
| 22:48.31 | bzed | KERNEL=="device-mapper", NAME="mapper/control" |
| 22:48.38 | jae | This was created with lvm1, pre-2.6, so maybe that's why it's still there |
| 22:48.38 | bzed | from udev.rules |
| 22:48.53 | bzed | jae: that could be |
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| 22:49.22 | jae | I like /dev/vg0/somestupidlv better than /dev/mapper/vg-somestupidlv any day |
| 22:49.26 | jae | :) |
| 22:49.51 | jae | Do you only have nodes in /dev/mapper? Or as /dev/<somedevice>? |
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| 22:50.37 | jae | (Of course, it's /dev/vg0 because the volume group's name is vg0) |
| 22:50.54 | bzed | sure |
| 22:51.01 | fsmunoz | jae, generally both are available |
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| 22:51.03 | bzed | i have both |
| 22:51.28 | bzed | and after reading some pages and stuff.. it seems that dm creates it's stuff on its own |
| 22:52.16 | bzed | I remember some discussions about that, especially related to multipathing, that they run into some race condition becuase devices were nto created fast enough |
| 22:52.18 | jae | Sorry, we misunderstood each other then (< bzed> no, but I don;t even have a device file with the name of my VG) |
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| 22:52.42 | black_13 | !rhide |
| 22:52.45 | bzed | jae: I thought you have /dev/vg0 (as file, not directory) |
| 22:52.56 | fsmunoz | Eh, that's so HP-UX |
| 22:53.10 | jae | bzed: Yeah, I realized that bit myself |
| 22:53.33 | jae | It's just a dir, but instead of 700 I want it 755 |
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| 22:53.53 | black_13 | was rhide ever packaged for debian? |
| 22:53.57 | jae | So I can auto-complete lvs when using sudo, that's the gist of what I'm after |
| 22:54.17 | mark__ | So what type of computer should I get if I want to dual boot Linux and windows? |
| 22:54.20 | bzed | jae: I'm not sure if I understand what you're trying to do |
| 22:54.36 | stew | mark__: get a black one, they look cooler |
| 22:54.49 | mark__ | I bought an HP and I cant put in a hard drive and I m not sure I can USB boot. |
| 22:55.13 | bzed | mark__: some recent amd box, they just work well. intel seems to suck, only heard about problems with the q6..somethign chipset, and sata and whatever |
| 22:55.19 | mark__ | I dont think computers are sold anymore with space for second hard drive |
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| 22:55.32 | bzed | that's why you build them on your own |
| 22:55.40 | stew | mark__: computers are in fact sold with space for a second hard drive |
| 22:55.43 | HymnToLife | mark__, partition the existing one |
| 22:55.52 | mark__ | I dont want to build my own. I cant believe I have to build my own |
| 22:55.54 | Assid | hrmm debian should make a "take over iso/script" |
| 22:55.59 | stew | mark__: you don't have to build your own |
| 22:56.12 | stew | mark__: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 22:56.12 | Assid | which takes over the host machine.. and installs a basic debian.. if it runs any other distro |
| 22:56.15 | mark__ | Give me a make and model with space for hard drive. |
| 22:56.22 | dkr | Assid: debtakeover exists, mostly, not maintained though |
| 22:56.27 | mark__ | This is fundumental |
| 22:56.34 | mark__ | fundamental |
| 22:56.41 | bzed | mark__: look for some serious model, like a cad workstation or even the macpro, they have space for tons of drives |
| 22:56.43 | stew | mark__: if you are looking for hardware recommendataions try #hardware |
| 22:56.52 | bzed | mark__: or the sun amd workstations |
| 22:56.54 | Assid | yeah.. thats why i said debian should do it.. not 3rd party |
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| 22:57.43 | mark__ | Isnt dual booting Debian and Windows Debian related? |
| 22:57.44 | dkr | Assid: I'm actually trying to migrate an odl redhat box at a colo currently so wa slooking into that. but I gave up and decided to just move the services to a new machine then tell hosting company to install debian, :) |
| 22:57.53 | stew | mark__: sure. what is the question |
| 22:58.02 | mark__ | What computer to buy |
| 22:58.05 | stew | mark__: any |
| 22:58.08 | bzed | mark__: http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra40/index.jsp] |
| 22:58.10 | Assid | dkr: err.. you could do what i did |
| 22:58.12 | bzed | without the ] |
| 22:58.21 | Assid | install a base system.. upload it.. sash.. and mv |
| 22:58.21 | mark__ | How much is a Sun workstation? |
| 22:58.38 | fsmunoz | jae, have you tried the "device_permission" thing in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf ? |
| 22:58.41 | stew | mark__: make sure it is at least a 486 or better |
| 22:58.50 | stew | mark__: you don't want a sun workstation. how about the hp you already bought |
| 22:58.57 | jae | fsmunoz: nope, thanks for the hint |
| 22:59.17 | mark__ | I spent $750 for Dual core AMD 2.4 gigaherts HP and I cant install second hard drive. |
| 22:59.28 | stew | mark__: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 22:59.41 | mark__ | What computer to buy? |
| 22:59.53 | stew | mark__: a dual core amd 2.4 gigaherts HP would work fine |
| 22:59.53 | mark__ | I can still return the one I bought. |
| 23:00.01 | fsmunoz | jae, not sure if that helps though. |
| 23:00.20 | bzed | stew: why not, it rocks :) and debian + windows +whateveryouneed work on it |
| 23:00.24 | jae | Cool, of course that variable isn't in the lvm.conf man page :/ |
| 23:00.35 | mark__ | I need windows for Pokerstars |
| 23:00.36 | bzed | mark__: remove the floppy drive and insert a hdd instead |
| 23:00.47 | bzed | mark__: and then go to #hardware |
| 23:01.00 | mark__ | There is no floppy drive, only a cd drive which I need |
| 23:01.04 | dkr | mark__: debian will run on just about anything, if you need mroe harddrives, buy abigger case. :) |
| 23:01.06 | h3sp4wn | mark__: or ask #hardware about external serial ata |
| 23:01.13 | Enquest | sohmestra, do you know how to solve this problem Mod_python error: "PythonHandler django.core.handlers.modpython" |
| 23:01.26 | bzed | jae: what do you really want to do? |
| 23:01.39 | bzed | jae: I still don't understand the reason for changing them |
| 23:01.53 | mark__ | Shouldnt Debian be pressuring the PC makers to make Debian friendly computers? |
| 23:02.13 | fsmunoz | jae, I second bzed's doubts... there is no good reason that I remember to change that... |
| 23:02.14 | bzed | no, everybody is free in what to use |
| 23:02.21 | dondelelcaro | mark__: the people who use Debian are the people who should do that. |
| 23:02.25 | Assid | mark__: debian friendly ? we wouldnt have xeons |
| 23:02.31 | dondelelcaro | (and for the large part, they do) |
| 23:02.39 | jae | I want to type /dev/vg0/, then <tab>, and have zsh complete *something* |
| 23:02.48 | Assid | debian waits for stability.. that means a large number of hardware isnt supported in that kernel |
| 23:02.56 | fsmunoz | jae, I know that the /dev/vgname isn't accessible to a regular user, but that's not bad... |
| 23:02.58 | jae | With perms of /dev/vg0 being 700, zsh can't, as it doesn't have... the perms |
| 23:03.13 | fsmunoz | jae, well... it should work in a root shell.. |
| 23:03.14 | jae | I think it is |
| 23:03.33 | jae | And I'm the boss here on my boxen, last I checked |
| 23:03.34 | bzed | jae: sudo /bin/bash :P |
| 23:03.38 | fsmunoz | jae, it's your box :) |
| 23:03.40 | dondelelcaro | Assid: actually, a large amount is; it's just the hardware that's released after we release that may not be. |
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| 23:03.54 | jae | I like sudo |
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| 23:03.59 | dondelelcaro | (and even then, it's not like it's a huge problem to use a more recent kernel) |
| 23:04.06 | Azar | oh my god! first time I get a real package upgrade (not security) on sarge and my aptitude freezed! |
| 23:04.06 | Azar | libc6 and locales |
| 23:04.06 | Azar | laggggggg.. am I still here? |
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| 23:04.08 | jae | I do not want to su, or su - all the time |
| 23:04.51 | Assid | true |
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| 23:05.12 | Assid | softlayer guys actually refuse to use debian cause "doesnt support our hardware" |
| 23:05.20 | Assid | im like which world do you live in? |
| 23:05.26 | mark__ | #hardware is pretty quiet, alot more action here. |
| 23:05.43 | bzed | mark__: a lot of beter questions to answer here ;) |
| 23:06.08 | Assid | then i asked them for a kvm and a cdrom.. they go .. sorry.. kvm is only available on certain packages |
| 23:06.33 | jelly-home | Assid: eh, one can use whichever kernel one likes with debian |
| 23:06.51 | Mark_Iron | Hi ... looking for people which are familiar with exchanging the kernel on the etch InstallCD to kernel with XEN support |
| 23:07.03 | stew | Mark_Iron: /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 23:07.07 | Assid | jelly-home: yes i know..im currently using 2.6.17 |
| 23:07.14 | Assid | since like a longgggg time.. |
| 23:07.14 | Mark_Iron | thank you steve! |
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| 23:07.20 | jelly-home | Assid: 2.6.19.3-grsec here ;-) |
| 23:07.21 | Mark_Iron | stew: |
| 23:07.25 | Assid | nice |
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| 23:07.46 | Assid | something about udev gave me issues.. i remember that |
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| 23:08.04 | Assid | or something like that.. in 2.6.18 . so i got the older kernel from my other box and loaded it |
| 23:08.19 | stew | Assid: if you want to use udev with that kernel, you'd need the udev from bpo: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:08.23 | stew | !widbu |
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| 23:08.23 | dpkg | When in doubt, blame udev! |
| 23:08.26 | jelly-home | not as an idea, but as implementation |
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| 23:08.34 | karmatronic | hi thetr |
| 23:08.37 | Assid | works fine now |
| 23:08.38 | Assid | hrmm |
| 23:08.54 | jelly-home | stew: there should be one for hal and dbus too. |
| 23:09.29 | bzed | hey, hal runs on hal :P |
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| 23:10.11 | Assid | am getting my desktop box on kubuntu mostly tho |
| 23:10.11 | Assid | lets see |
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| 23:10.28 | bzed | !lart Assid |
| 23:10.42 | bzed | dpkg, you failed. |
| 23:10.59 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 23:11.20 | Azar | so we get real packge upgrades in Sarge too? not just security ? |
| 23:11.29 | jelly-home | Azar: huh? |
| 23:11.42 | bzed | Azar: there came an update out a fwe days ago |
| 23:11.53 | bzed | Azar: with I think 3 updates and the rest from security |
| 23:11.54 | Azar | jelly-home: the libc6, libc6-dev and locales I just got were not from the security sources |
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| 23:12.13 | Azar | I guess viva Sarge5 |
| 23:12.13 | jelly-home | Azar: timezone updates! |
| 23:12.18 | Assid | hehe |
| 23:12.20 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.20 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.20 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.20 | bzed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:12.24 | Azar | yeee!!! the DST |
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| 23:12.43 | bzed | debhelper, fuhk y! |
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| 23:12.56 | Azar | bzed ah, I read about those, didn't see libc6 though in that list |
| 23:13.03 | AntiInit | help kernel panic |
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| 23:13.06 | Assid | bzed: on a wild guess.. where you think the release for etch should be due.. ballpark timeframe? |
| 23:13.17 | AntiInit | http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=398098711&size=l |
| 23:13.20 | bzed | Assid: when it's ready to be released :D |
| 23:13.21 | AntiInit | pic of panic |
| 23:13.29 | Assid | hehe |
| 23:13.35 | AntiInit | and ideas? ram + cramfs both compiled in to kernel |
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| 23:14.08 | fsmunoz | I have inside info that in the Summer etch will be out |
| 23:14.12 | Azar | Assid: as long as we keep getting bug reports coming, no etch |
| 23:14.15 | stew | Assid: did you just compile your own kernel? |
| 23:14.23 | dkr | Assid: dpkg has a list of estimates various people have made as a bet, :) (I can't recall the entry now though) |
| 23:14.28 | Assid | stew: yes |
| 23:14.36 | stew | Assid: what kernel version? |
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| 23:14.44 | stew | Assid: did you create an initrd? |
| 23:14.48 | jelly-home | AntiInit: doesn't look like initrd is loaded at all, have you used initrd=... ? |
| 23:15.04 | AntiInit | no |
| 23:15.07 | Assid | 2.6.17.3 |
| 23:15.10 | bzed | AntiInit: which initrd are you using? |
| 23:15.10 | Assid | i think i did |
| 23:15.11 | AntiInit | do i need to? |
| 23:15.17 | Azar | AntiInit: lilo or grub? |
| 23:15.18 | bzed | AntiInit: err, which kernel are you using |
| 23:15.20 | AntiInit | grub |
| 23:15.25 | Azar | damn grub! |
| 23:15.32 | AntiInit | 2.6.20 |
| 23:15.32 | Wolfcastle | I have a problem with my virtual midi device |
| 23:15.34 | jelly-home | AntiInit: have you created the initrd? |
| 23:15.39 | AntiInit | no |
| 23:15.45 | Azar | oopss so high soo high |
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| 23:15.57 | Wolfcastle | It's connected to my timidity server but when I play something with pmidi using the virtual device i get no sound |
| 23:15.59 | AntiInit | just did make make modules_install make install |
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| 23:16.07 | bzed | AntiInit: ouch! |
| 23:16.09 | stew | AntiInit: no, you don't need an initrd. but if you don't have an initrd, you need the drivers needed to mount your rootfs compiled into your kernel (including the hard disk controller (IDE/SCSI/SATA?) and the fs driver (ext3?)) |
| 23:16.14 | Assid | stew: why ? shouldnt i have? |
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| 23:16.25 | stew | oh woah |
| 23:16.25 | AntiInit | ah, thanks |
| 23:16.28 | stew | i crossed the streams |
| 23:16.33 | Wolfcastle | If i do a "aconnect -l -o" everything seems ok, it clearly says it's connected to the timidity server |
| 23:16.39 | stew | Assid: sorry, i meant AntiInit |
| 23:16.41 | bzed | !tell AntiInit about make-kpkg |
| 23:16.52 | lex | Okay, free software network gawds. Ive found a worthy problem: ive a multiple uplink router/firewall as per the infamous LART guide. I wanna measure bandwith per-uplink. Any pointers? |
| 23:17.00 | jelly-home | AntiInit: you either have to use initrd/initramfs, or have to compile in drivers for a) the controller with your boot device, b) disk (ide-disk or sd_mod), c) your root filesystem |
| 23:17.09 | stew | AntiInit: those drivers need to be included directly in the kernel (*) not as modules (M) |
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| 23:17.19 | stew | s/initrd/yaird/ |
| 23:17.31 | lex | Bear in mind, one should not use eth0/eth1, because we use the iproute2 interface. This should be iptables-log based |
| 23:17.38 | AntiInit | maybe its the ide drivers?? |
| 23:17.45 | Assid | had to redo my kernel for getting remote console to work.. but i got it to do so |
| 23:18.03 | bzed | lex: since when is iproute2 an interface? |
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| 23:18.07 | jelly-home | AntiInit: ide drivers in 2.6.19+ were moved around, make sure they're enabled |
| 23:18.10 | stew | Assid: its either the ide drivers or the fs drivers |
| 23:18.20 | Assid | what is? |
| 23:18.22 | bzed | lex: iproute2 is a program to configure a ton of networking related stuff, but not an iterface |
| 23:18.38 | bzed | jelly-home: nah, the old ones are still there |
| 23:18.43 | jelly-home | bzed: oh? |
| 23:18.44 | AntiInit | thanks! |
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| 23:19.02 | bzed | AntiInit: you probably just want to boot your old kernel and create an initrd for the new one and use it |
| 23:19.07 | Azar | zingg! lots of pennies on the floor |
| 23:19.13 | stew | lex: what do you mean by measure? iptraf will give you per interface statistics. mtrg will generate per interface graphs |
| 23:19.22 | lex | bzed: well... i meant to say interface in that it provides a set of commands to do something. Not network interface. What i mean, is that one uses virtual addresses in the ip addr style, not the eth0:1 style. |
| 23:19.26 | AntiInit | whats the command and options ? |
| 23:19.36 | Assid | err.. any nice front end ncurses firewall that works with iptables? |
| 23:19.40 | dkr | Assid: /msg dpkg "etch pool 1" or "etch pool 2". it looks like I have lost now since my estimate was 2007-02-15 :) |
| 23:20.00 | bzed | Assid: vim *cough* |
| 23:20.01 | stew | AntiInit: you are running stable? |
| 23:20.23 | lex | stew: with multiple uplinks, you have ONE network interface, with three (say for three uplinks) addresses hooked up to it. No use meassuring the per-interface traffic. I want per-virtual-address |
| 23:20.23 | AntiInit | yeah |
| 23:20.47 | lex | stew: well, not you, me... I have one interface, with three ip addresses and their own routing tables. |
| 23:20.48 | stew | AntiInit: is there a reason you are compiling your own kernel instead of using a backported stock kernel? |
| 23:20.55 | stew | lex: i dunno then |
| 23:21.04 | bzed | lex: every address is still a virtual interface, you should have a few eth0:... |
| 23:21.08 | Assid | how do i put a date to the pool |
| 23:21.12 | stew | bzed: no its not |
| 23:21.15 | concept10 | stoned, you around? |
| 23:21.16 | bzed | uh? |
| 23:21.26 | bzed | stew: when did that change!? |
| 23:21.27 | lex | bzed: not necesarily. |
| 23:21.28 | Azar | concept10: I guess not, I was calling him too |
| 23:21.39 | stew | bzed run "ip a a 172.16.1.1 dev eth0" ; then "ip a" |
| 23:21.42 | AntiInit | stew: wlan support for the broadcom 4318 is in teh new kernel |
| 23:21.48 | AntiInit | i hope |
| 23:21.53 | concept10 | I cant believe this audio app works perfectly in wine |
| 23:21.59 | bzed | stew: aaah ip magic. I still don't know that beast completely, thanks :) |
| 23:22.01 | stew | AntiInit: as of which kernel version? |
| 23:22.09 | AntiInit | think 2.6.18 |
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| 23:22.10 | Assid | err.. any nice front end ncurses firewall that works with iptables? |
| 23:22.18 | stew | Assid: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:22.32 | simbios_ | hey |
| 23:22.33 | stew | Assid: not you |
| 23:22.40 | stew | AntiInit: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 23:22.46 | simbios_ | I have four words for you! |
| 23:22.46 | concept10 | how can a windows audio app work better than a Linux native audio application? this is unreal |
| 23:22.48 | simbios_ | developers!, developers!, developers!, developers! |
| 23:22.54 | simbios_ | :D |
| 23:23.07 | bzed | AntiInit: uug, you need udev and some other stuff from backports.org if you want to run such a new kernel on sarge |
| 23:23.08 | Assid | okay how do i put in a date to the pool |
| 23:23.15 | stew | bzed: no you don't |
| 23:23.24 | jelly-home | concept10: Windows rule! :-) |
| 23:23.28 | Assid | and also is theree a nice front end ncurses based firewall that works with iptables |
| 23:23.34 | bzed | stew: O_o |
| 23:23.52 | concept10 | jelly-home, at least in the realm of audio |
| 23:23.58 | Azar | bzed dpkg has it all figured out for that task |
| 23:24.24 | Assid | i say 2007-04-02 |
| 23:24.26 | bzed | stew: I doubt the devicemapper-related stuff will work without a recent udev version |
| 23:24.29 | jelly-home | concept10: iTunes skips a lot for me, not really usable as a player |
| 23:24.46 | bzed | concept10: install amarok |
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| 23:24.58 | jelly-home | concept10: glad to hear the newer versions of Wine work better in that regard |
| 23:25.08 | dmarkey | when is debien 4 out |
| 23:25.10 | AntiInit | is this going to take me all week? |
| 23:25.12 | stew | bzed: what devicemapper stuff requires udev? |
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| 23:25.16 | concept10 | jelly-home, im not talking about iTunes. Im talking about professional audio |
| 23:25.16 | bzed | dmarkey: when it's ready to come out ;) |
| 23:25.18 | stew | AntiInit: no |
| 23:25.20 | Azar | dmarkey: when all the found bugs are fixed |
| 23:25.27 | FleaDie | Hi! |
| 23:25.30 | Assid | i wanna put a date to the pool |
| 23:25.33 | stew | dmarkey: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 23:25.37 | jelly-home | concept10: i'm talking about any audio in Wine, really |
| 23:25.38 | concept10 | I well write my own audio player before i reinstall that beast amarok |
| 23:26.20 | FleaDie | what is /etc/ld.so.nohwcap? |
| 23:26.20 | bzed | stew: none, but the old udev tries to take care of dm devices, and now dm does it on it's own |
| 23:26.20 | dmarkey | ok, what kernel is in the latest stable |
| 23:26.20 | concept10 | jelly-home, oh, okay. |
| 23:26.20 | AntiInit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.20 | Azar | dmarkey: 2.6.8 and 2.6.18 from backports |
| 23:26.22 | fsmunoz | FleaDie, man ld.so |
| 23:26.29 | stew | bzed: so why would running the kernel he is trying to run require udev? |
| 23:26.35 | dmarkey | what is backports ? unstable? |
| 23:26.36 | Assid | err isnt there a ncurses ui ? |
| 23:26.44 | stew | dmarkey: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:26.50 | mark__ | How do i tell if I am using Gnome or KDE? |
| 23:27.11 | Azar | mark__: all stuff in KDE starts with a k |
| 23:27.14 | Azar | :) |
| 23:27.19 | jelly-home | stew: dumb order of alternatives in backported kernels makes the less careful user install udev on his Sarge machine |
| 23:27.20 | bzed | stew: for example becuase hotplug is not supported anymore in that kernelk |
| 23:27.22 | concept10 | jelly-home, I just figured out Wine is great, it even installs the menus and everything! |
| 23:27.40 | stew | jelly-home: what's your point? |
| 23:27.42 | jelly-home | stew: err, order of alternatives in backported kernels' control file |
| 23:27.50 | mark__ | I have k stuff and Gnome stuff |
| 23:28.02 | mark__ | I think my desktop is a halfbreed. |
| 23:28.04 | Azar | bloated |
| 23:28.06 | fsmunoz | mark__, if everything works fine but the icons suck, you're in KDE. If it looks very clean and nice but you can't do half the stuff you want, you're in GNOME. |
| 23:28.12 | stew | mark__: is gnome-session running? |
| 23:28.18 | jelly-home | stew: I might be missing the point though |
| 23:28.18 | FleaDie | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.20 | bzed | stew: btw, I think there's 2.6.20 in bpo, they coudl have used that |
| 23:28.24 | mark__ | How do I tell that? |
| 23:28.24 | fsmunoz | FleaDie, yw |
| 23:28.24 | stew | jelly-home: he's not currently trying to use a backported kernel |
| 23:28.34 | dmarkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.39 | stew | bzed: the new devmapper stuff requires hotplug? |
| 23:28.52 | stew | dmarkey: please troll elsewhere |
| 23:28.57 | bzed | stew: no, but if I'm not wrong, the old hotplug stuff will not work on new kernels |
| 23:29.20 | mark__ | mozilla is gone from the menu |
| 23:29.42 | dmarkey | stew: i apologise, but i do hate gnome |
| 23:29.49 | e1z0 | labanaktux |
| 23:29.56 | Azar | bzed: which leads one to think that anything over 2.6.18 should be backported to etch rather than sarge? |
| 23:29.56 | stew | bzed: i don't think hotplug is broken on new kernels, but i still don't see why that would require him to install udev in order to use the kernel he is using |
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| 23:30.07 | stew | Azar: why? |
| 23:30.11 | dmarkey | has anyone here set up a sun ray server on debian |
| 23:30.21 | Azar | stew: because 2.6.20 was not even touched by debs yet? |
| 23:30.30 | jelly-home | dmarkey: which one? |
| 23:30.39 | dmarkey | 3.1.1 |
| 23:30.46 | mark__ | So how to tell if Gnome or KDE? |
| 23:30.50 | jelly-home | dmarkey: you might want to ask on the debian-sparc mailing list |
| 23:30.59 | stew | mark__: is gnome-session running? |
| 23:31.02 | fsmunoz | mark__, you're really serious? |
| 23:31.16 | stew | mark__: is nautilus running? |
| 23:31.16 | mark__ | HOw do I tell if gnome-session is running? |
| 23:31.18 | dmarkey | hmm.. but im running it on x86 |
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| 23:31.32 | bzed | Azar: exatcly. bnut there're a ton of thing why you'd want to ahve it in sarge, like multipathing. things like the recent multipath-tools do not work with older kernels, older udev and older devicemappers, you just want the new stuff. I had to backport it before bpo had it |
| 23:31.32 | stew | mark__: pgrep gnome-session |
| 23:31.51 | fsmunoz | mark__, google image search GNOME and KDE, and see. |
| 23:31.57 | dmarkey | mark__: if theres a big button in the bottom left hand corner with a big "K" your in kde |
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| 23:32.18 | concept10 | jelly-home, do you know if crossover office better than wine and worth the money |
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| 23:32.35 | stew | Azar: so the (unconfirmed) fact that hotplug might not be working in newer kernels leads you to believe that those kernels shoudln't be backported to sarge becuase 2.6.20 was not even touched by debs yet? this is not making sense to me |
| 23:32.36 | mark__ | There is no big K in the corner. |
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| 23:32.45 | Azar | bzed: with etch at the corner, and doing good, behaving stable why would one struggle to stay with sarge if they want more than a server? or basic? Id upgrade to etch in a beat and get what I need |
| 23:32.51 | dmarkey | is there a think that looks like a foot? |
| 23:32.55 | dmarkey | thing* |
| 23:33.02 | Azar | stew, exactly you are right |
| 23:33.10 | jelly-home | concept10: bought crossover to run MS Office and am very satisfied with it. Applications that are supported officially work seamlessly |
| 23:33.34 | winqubed | umm anyone know how to add a fat32 HD to the fstab? |
| 23:33.40 | dmarkey | jelly-home: how much is it? |
| 23:33.44 | bzed | stew: as soon as you need FC and multuipathing sarge just won't work without udev, dm form bpo and a recent kernel, no chance |
| 23:33.47 | lumination | just get a virtual machine and you shouldn't have a problem |
| 23:33.55 | dmarkey | you could run it in a virtualbox virtual machine |
| 23:33.57 | concept10 | jelly-home, that cool. I dont run windows apps in linux, but its nice to preview or use them without rebooting |
| 23:34.00 | Azar | bzed, any bug reported by an etch user gets priority, rather than a sarge report on a package that does not belong there |
| 23:34.03 | jelly-home | dmarkey: check their site, they might have changed pricing since 2 yrs ago |
| 23:34.11 | Decepticon | for some reason i cannot connect to my vnc server remotely, even though it is on and i restarted it and everything... what could be wrong? |
| 23:34.23 | winqubed | umm anyone know how to add a fat32 HD to the fstab? |
| 23:34.35 | Decepticon | tightvncviewer on windows xp going to tightvnc server on debian sarge, vncviewer dies on trying to connect with no error message |
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| 23:35.16 | bzed | stew: http://lwn.net/Articles/157758/ << there you go, search for udev |
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| 23:35.24 | bzed | stew: udev in sarge is < 071 |
| 23:35.34 | Decepticon | how can i test if the vnc server is operating properly from a ssh session ? |
| 23:35.58 | Decepticon | i am seeing no errors in the startup of the session so i dont know whats goong on |
| 23:35.58 | jelly-home | concept10: the version I bought has decent integration with the OS, set up mailcap entries and symlinks for binaries. Can do "iexplore &" ;-) |
| 23:36.02 | winqubed | umm anyone know how to add a fat32 HD to the fstab? |
| 23:36.05 | stew | bzed: yes, the udev in sarge will not work with the newer kernel. but the newer kernel will work fine without udev |
| 23:36.34 | concept10 | jelly-home, thats cool. I have to read up on this stuff now |
| 23:36.47 | concept10 | now it would be great if multi-touch reaches mainstream computing |
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| 23:36.56 | bzed | stew: but there's a lot fo stuff that requieres udev |
| 23:37.18 | stoned | concept10: whats up |
| 23:37.21 | stoned | concept10: I DID IT! |
| 23:37.24 | stoned | I think I did anyway |
| 23:37.25 | jelly-home | concept10: seen anything more about it other than that demo movie? |
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| 23:37.28 | stew | bzed: which stuff is AntiInit using that requires udev? |
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| 23:37.58 | streuner | liable: ping |
| 23:37.58 | concept10 | jelly-home, yep, sure have - there is a open source library of some sorts |
| 23:38.01 | stoned | concept10: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/Mortal.mp3 <-- check the sound quality now man!! tell em what you think of my new electonics settings |
| 23:38.10 | bzed | stew: no clue, they went away to fast |
| 23:38.16 | concept10 | jelly-home, http://www.whitenoiseaudio.com/touchlib/ |
| 23:38.26 | stoned | concept10: I used Audacity :) |
| 23:38.31 | stoned | thats the only app that makes sense to me |
| 23:38.40 | stoned | concept10: audacity is also multitracking app |
| 23:38.49 | stoned | I hear its a multitracking mixer |
| 23:38.58 | stoned | a good one too, what do you think concept10 |
| 23:39.03 | bzed | stoned: what about lmms? |
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| 23:39.09 | stoned | what is that? |
| 23:39.18 | bzed | stoned: apt-cache show it ;) |
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| 23:39.50 | concept10 | stoned, i will get it in a sec. The beast Firefox just crashed on me trying to open it |
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| 23:40.03 | concept10 | Beast == any stupid application |
| 23:40.12 | infernix | audacity compares more to wavelab i suppose than to cubase/logic/fruityloops |
| 23:40.12 | bzed | concept10: ever looked into lmms? :D |
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| 23:40.32 | Azar | stoned |
| 23:40.38 | concept10 | bzed, I hope its nothing like the 'beast' Audacity |
| 23:40.43 | bzed | infernix: true, but still depends on what your goal is |
| 23:41.02 | infernix | i just finished editing 6 channel wave in audacity. wavelab couldnt handle it |
| 23:41.06 | bzed | concept10: uh.. *cough* more like cubase/logic/fruityloops |
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| 23:41.27 | Azar | stoned I found something for you |
| 23:41.29 | bzed | concept10: you can even plug cubase plugins into it ;) |
| 23:41.41 | concept10 | bzed, VSTs ? |
| 23:41.45 | bzed | yes |
| 23:41.51 | concept10 | installing now... |
| 23:42.20 | concept10 | I just experiment with the music apps written for Linux, I have yet to see one that works well |
| 23:42.44 | bzed | concept10: as far as I remember lmms uses jack |
| 23:42.52 | bzed | so probably you need to setup that, too |
| 23:42.59 | bzed | don't remember anymore, though |
| 23:43.01 | concept10 | bzed, i have it, jack is great stuff |
| 23:43.08 | bzed | definitely |
| 23:43.15 | bzed | concept10: did you look into the ck patches? |
| 23:43.51 | concept10 | bzed, thats the only edge that Linux has over Win in audio. Jack. You can jack anything together! (if it supports jack) |
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| 23:44.16 | concept10 | bzed, ck patches what, the kernel? |
| 23:44.22 | bzed | yes |
| 23:44.26 | concept10 | real time? |
| 23:44.46 | winqubed | how the hell do I add a fat32 storage drive to the fstab so I can read and write to it |
| 23:45.02 | concept10 | with vim |
| 23:45.05 | jelly-home | concept10: a set of patches to improve audio and general user-interface responsivity |
| 23:45.18 | concept10 | I will check into that |
| 23:45.23 | winqubed | real help all vim is, is a text editor |
| 23:45.28 | bzed | concept10: http://tapas.affenbande.org/wordpress/?page_id=3 is interesting to read, and http://members.optusnet.com.au/ckolivas/kernel/ and http://people.redhat.com/mingo/realtime-preempt/ |
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| 23:46.00 | concept10 | bzed, oh, I thought they were different than the mingo patches |
| 23:46.03 | bzed | concept10: the ck patch works very well, I think i've tried ingo's RT patch once and it crashed |
| 23:46.06 | bzed | yeah |
| 23:46.10 | concept10 | they are? |
| 23:46.12 | bzed | ck's patches are different |
| 23:46.37 | concept10 | bzed, okay, Ill check into them |
| 23:46.39 | h3sp4wn | ingo's patch worked well when I was using it |
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| 23:47.06 | bzed | h3sp4wn: I think it just crashed on some shitpiece of hardware in my notebook |
| 23:47.09 | concept10 | bzed, oh, I know that site. Ive read that but thanks for the links |
| 23:47.23 | bzed | i've stayed with -ck since then, and they always worked well |
| 23:47.26 | bzed | concept10: np |
| 23:47.42 | h3sp4wn | bzed: did you try the new -ck ones ? |
| 23:47.55 | bzed | h3sp4wn: I'm running 19-ck on my notenbook I think. |
| 23:48.42 | bzed | h3sp4wn: not on the desktop, though.. I never run into any issues which would require them, it's idling most of the time at 50% of the cpu speed |
| 23:48.48 | infernix | if ardour gets proper midi support it'll be interesting, but until then, cubase wins on usability |
| 23:49.06 | h3sp4wn | 2.6.20-ck1-post1 (seemed to have some interesting new stuff in it from the mailing list post) |
| 23:49.08 | concept10 | jelly-home, multi-touch would be great if I could use it to operate controls on virtual instruments. Thats what I want it for. Fortunately, one of the programmers makes virtual instruments! |
| 23:49.51 | concept10 | infernix, I agree. There is no audio application that has the usabilty as great as Cubase or Nuendo |
| 23:49.54 | jelly-home | concept10: yeah, or other components |
| 23:50.11 | concept10 | jelly-home, http://nuigroup.com/log/about |
| 23:50.11 | bzed | h3sp4wn: do you ahve a link for me? |
| 23:50.37 | h3sp4wn | bzed: No its on his mailing list - I looked at the archives earler |
| 23:50.51 | infernix | concept10: exactly, and when it comes down to musicians, thats all they really care about; they don't care for experimental software that crashes deep into a project without autosaving turned on ;) |
| 23:50.53 | bzed | concept10: unio grabs all my time, so I had only a very short look into lmms, but it looks great imho |
| 23:51.06 | bzed | h3sp4wn: ah found it |
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| 23:51.14 | infernix | *off |
| 23:51.42 | concept10 | just think about using multituch with these knobs http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot6uf9.png |
| 23:51.57 | jelly-home | concept10: I like real knobs :-) |
| 23:52.21 | concept10 | but that would be a great idea. |
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| 23:52.49 | Azar | _Brandon_: not nice using root in irc |
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| 23:53.19 | jelly-home | concept10: and you could switch the controls around as you like, yeah. |
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| 23:54.12 | infernix | problem with mapping real knobs to virtual ones is that its always a hassle to map them. at least in cubase. some plugins are reasonably OK (learning functions), others are horrible |
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| 23:54.32 | concept10 | really I wish someone just made a controller that I could click on a knob on the GUI, and it maps to hardware |
| 23:54.35 | infernix | so in effect, even though we have a bunch of nice controllers, in our studio we hardly ever map them |
| 23:54.43 | bzed | h3sp4wn: the idleprio feature sounds great. and the Hz-feature weird.. who needs that!? :D |
| 23:55.06 | concept10 | infernix, NI's KORE almost does it |
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| 23:55.13 | infernix | some sort of multipoint touchscreen would be nice |
| 23:55.51 | concept10 | stoned, that site isnt working |
| 23:56.39 | concept10 | infernix, I cant get stoned to use a multi track app |
| 23:57.17 | infernix | well if you just have one mic and record everything right at once, that should be no problem ;) |
| 23:57.38 | concept10 | ineiros, he insists on using audacity |
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| 23:57.48 | concept10 | oops |
| 23:57.54 | concept10 | infernix, that was for you |
| 23:58.18 | infernix | thats too bad really, at first glance it seems that every applied effect alters the source in audacity |
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| 23:58.53 | Guerin | ok, who's got some x86 boxen of variable age lying about? |
| 23:58.57 | infernix | sounds like hell to work like that |
| 23:58.58 | Guerin | i need to get data points on when the pci 2.1->2.2 change happened |
| 23:59.12 | concept10 | infernix, see, he uses hydrogen for drums and audacity to record his guitar, he doesnt want to learn a multitrack |
| 23:59.32 | concept10 | infernix, i use cubase and nuendo myself. pro tools sometimes |
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| 23:59.41 | infernix | well he should. he's missing out on a lot. |
| 23:59.53 | Azar | Guerin: I have one that is about 4 years old? |
| 23:59.59 | infernix | Guerin: i have a few i can log on to |
