| 00:01.28 | karsten | pickcoder: http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=VBK |
| 00:02.33 | karsten | pickcoder: I can get WAV as well. STR dealing with a similar voicemail system file a few years back, someone managed to get it converted for me. |
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| 00:03.20 | tonyb2 | hmm |
| 00:03.24 | tonyb2 | coolish |
| 00:03.42 | tonyb2 | hi |
| 00:04.07 | tonyb2 | :D |
| 00:05.09 | karsten | pickcoder: Looks not |
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| 00:07.41 | StarWars | hmm reinstall the box ;p |
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| 00:08.58 | fsmunoz | Eh, the Alan Cox answer to ESR on fedora-dev was sweet. Also, this gem: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-February/msg01032.html |
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| 00:13.25 | concept10 | What is the best way to track installs? for example, im installing a lot of -dev files to build a certain app, but I want to remove them when im done |
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| 00:14.38 | stew | concept10: you can try this one from one of our friendly ops: http://p12n.org/hacks/aptitude-build-dep |
| 00:14.44 | OoberMick | concept10: debfoster? http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/debfoster |
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| 00:15.38 | amphi | fsmunoz: it's ESR's fault for using fedora in the first place |
| 00:16.09 | concept10 | stew, thanks looks nice |
| 00:16.15 | dkr | concept10: /var/log/dpkg.log :) |
| 00:16.26 | OoberMick | stew: that aptitude hack looks pretty damn good |
| 00:16.36 | concept10 | OoberMick, I dont think debfoster knows what to do with -dev libraries |
| 00:16.42 | karsten | concept10: aptitude logs installs. |
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| 00:17.04 | karsten | concept10: Sometimes your best bet is simply to note which packages you've installed for a given build project, and remove them after the fact. |
| 00:17.08 | concept10 | karsten, yeah, I know, I need to get into the habit of using it |
| 00:17.29 | concept10 | karsten, yeah, thats what I was thinking I should do |
| 00:17.42 | karsten | concept10: It will also take care of uninstalling any deps that the build packages installed, though I'd think those would generally be pretty slim. |
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| 00:18.29 | concept10 | so -dev files are only used doing builds, correct? |
| 00:18.43 | Guerin | packages |
| 00:18.51 | concept10 | yeah |
| 00:19.07 | fsmunoz | amphi, uh, actually, I'm siding with the fedorians on this one... |
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| 00:19.27 | OoberMick | concept10: debfoster just keeps a list of the packages you want and removes any packages that you don't. If you tell it you don't want the -dev's it will remove them. I tend to use debfoster when I'm mantaining a "slim" system |
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| 00:19.46 | fsmunoz | amphi, the shortcommings he describes are just ways to say "I want WMV support out of the box, binary dirvers out of the box and CNR for all apps out of the box". |
| 00:19.54 | amphi | fsmunoz: well, ESR is a notorious blowhard |
| 00:20.13 | concept10 | OoberMick, I guess I will try it. I never trusted debfoster to actually let it remove anything |
| 00:20.24 | Guerin | fsmunoz: if he wants all that, let him run windows |
| 00:21.09 | StarWars | http://www.pastebin.ca/368339 Gcc |
| 00:21.09 | concept10 | What is Fedora |
| 00:21.09 | fsmunoz | That is true. |
| 00:21.09 | Guerin | ESR's problem is that he doesn't believe in using the right tool for the right job - he want to mangle tools in order to make them do the job he wants |
| 00:21.09 | rahul | concept10: it's a hat you put on your penix |
| 00:21.14 | rahul | !penixstrike concept10 |
| 00:21.14 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking concept10 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:21.21 | Guerin | `I need to drill a hole, but this handsaw just won't do it - they should have designed it better!' |
| 00:21.37 | concept10 | No seriously, I can't believe anyone actually uses Fedora, unless you want to get familiar with a RH system |
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| 00:21.53 | fsmunoz | amphi, what I mean is that even if Ubuntu - his newfound love - shares more with Debian in terms of core OS, the reasons he gave for moving (apart from the repositories stuff) side Debian closer to Fedora than to the "new" Ubuntu/Linspire thing that they've got going. |
| 00:21.56 | uni-svigi | hello |
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| 00:22.14 | Guerin | i was just talking about this in another channel |
| 00:22.15 | StarWars | stew or rahul http://www.pastebin.ca/368339 Gcc can i use apt-get install gcc ??? |
| 00:22.29 | rahul | StarWars: you need to upgrade to testing. |
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| 00:22.46 | Guerin | ubuntu is the new fedora, dominated by ESRian pragmatists |
| 00:22.49 | StarWars | i upgrade rahul |
| 00:22.54 | fsmunoz | AC answer's looks like straight from a Debian developer Red Book :) |
| 00:22.57 | rahul | StarWars: ok, now install build-essential |
| 00:23.08 | concept10 | I think that its bad that Fedora doesnt officially support dist-upgrades with any package manager. Or has this changed? |
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| 00:23.44 | karsten | concept10: Not AFAIK. RPM has the disadvantage of breaking its own compatibility in upgrades. |
| 00:23.54 | fsmunoz | Guerin, yes, seems like it... but in all fairness, Fedora always had a genuine concern with free software. Ubuntu also, but it seems that of late things are achanging... |
| 00:23.56 | stew | StarWars: you can get rid of the sarge sources, they aren't doing anything good for you anymore. consider changing "testing" to "etch" if you want to stay with stable once the current testing is released |
| 00:24.00 | charles_ | I'm having a bit of trouble with an iptables setup, if anyone is familiar with setting up a DMZ or nat'd box, I'd appreciate it |
| 00:24.05 | Guerin | fsmunoz: yes. |
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| 00:24.40 | StarWars | gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21) |
| 00:24.47 | ruied | is there any SIP phone available for debian stable? |
| 00:24.54 | Guerin | ruied: yes. |
| 00:24.58 | concept10 | What I don't understand about Debian (as well as other distros) is how you let politics affect quality |
| 00:25.04 | ruied | Guerin, which one? |
| 00:25.07 | dkr | concept10: that combined with poor support(not applying bug fix patches) for other than current core is why I switched away from fedora. |
| 00:25.07 | stew | ruied: linphone |
| 00:25.10 | Guerin | ruied: it's called gnomemeeting |
| 00:25.14 | Guerin | concept10: wtf |
| 00:25.15 | karsten | charles_: For basics, there are a few decent HOTWOs and FAQs. For anything complex, I'd suggest an iptables wrapper management tool (eg: a firewall builder tool). |
| 00:25.20 | ruied | Guerin, thanks! |
| 00:25.26 | Guerin | concept10: licensing issues aren't politics |
| 00:25.32 | StarWars | checking whether gcc works or not ... yes |
| 00:25.43 | uni-svigi | I have an old 80gb seagate ide hdd, but I use it in an old pentium1 machine, and jumped to 32gb because of the bios won't see it |
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| 00:26.06 | StarWars | is Working ..Thanks guys Special 10x to dpkg the best boot :) |
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| 00:26.15 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 00:26.15 | dpkg | Guerin: :) |
| 00:26.20 | uni-svigi | sarge says that the native capacity is 80gb and the current capacity is 32gb, cfdisk runs fine |
| 00:26.23 | concept10 | Guerin, Im not talking about licensing issues, im talking about releases. I subscribe to release "when its done(tm)" but come on, almost three release managers and no new release? |
| 00:26.29 | stoned | Guerin: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org what do you think now |
| 00:26.34 | concept10 | Maybe thats part of the problem |
| 00:26.39 | uni-svigi | will my data beyond the 32gb limit corrupt? |
| 00:26.42 | Sakunix | Hi I have a 13.6gb hdd is there anyone who could walk me through setting up partitions nicely? |
| 00:26.42 | Guerin | concept10: hah. |
| 00:26.44 | stoned | concept10: sup |
| 00:26.48 | Guerin | !overfiendsphallus |
| 00:26.48 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 00:26.48 | stew | concept10: have you been helping close RC bugs? |
| 00:26.55 | stoned | overfiend! |
| 00:26.58 | karsten | uni-svigi: Linux should see a full 80 GB regardless of BIOS. |
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| 00:27.03 | stoned | omg! Urotskidoji!! |
| 00:27.09 | Guerin | concept10: that quote explains why debian takes so long to release: because it's *huge* and yet, it *works* |
| 00:27.11 | stoned | Guerin: overfiend is the shit! |
| 00:27.16 | uni-svigi | karsten: It sees:) |
| 00:27.16 | StarWars | stew " sarge sources " so my old php 5 is no good ? i need new install php5 ? |
| 00:27.22 | karsten | uni-svigi: You may need a boot partition for GRUB however, in the 1st 2 GB of the disk. |
| 00:27.24 | concept10 | stoned, nothing, building this package called Wired :http://wired.epitech.net/index.php |
| 00:27.26 | Guerin | concept10: huge, stable, quick releases: pick 2. |
| 00:27.33 | stew | StarWars: you still have "sarge" in you /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 00:27.39 | Sakunix | uni-svigi: There is a jumper setting on some drives that limits their capacity to 32gb have you checked that |
| 00:27.51 | stoned | concept10: check out what I did to my page. I took care of the color scheme and contrast now I'm gonna focus on menu/content |
| 00:27.53 | concept10 | stew, unfortunately, no, but I enjoy being on unstable |
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| 00:28.01 | stoned | concept10: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 00:28.08 | stoned | comments? |
| 00:28.10 | uni-svigi | Sakunix: yeah, I jumped, because without the jumper, the bios won't recognize it |
| 00:28.10 | StarWars | stew I GO chk .w8 |
| 00:28.12 | stew | concept10: you lose the right to complain about the late release then |
| 00:28.21 | uni-svigi | karsten: It boots without any problems |
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| 00:28.38 | Guerin | stoned: looks fine. GOod and simple. |
| 00:28.41 | uni-svigi | first I created the root partition and the swap before the 32gb limit |
| 00:28.54 | uni-svigi | and tried to create the remainder too |
| 00:28.59 | concept10 | stew, im not talking about for me, as a user, I mean for the overall health of the Debian namesake and reputation |
| 00:29.02 | karsten | uni-svigi: In which case you'd seem to have very few issues. |
| 00:29.16 | StarWars | stew Yes .the last 2 deb links |
| 00:29.18 | StarWars | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free |
| 00:29.18 | StarWars | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian-volatile sarge/volatile main |
| 00:29.20 | uni-svigi | it works, but I don't know it'll become corrupted |
| 00:29.27 | StarWars | i put them out or what ? |
| 00:29.29 | Guerin | concept10: hah ... the irrelevant shit, then |
| 00:29.32 | Sakunix | uni-svigi: That is really strange. You got another machien to wack it into the see if its possible just that drive |
| 00:29.36 | concept10 | hehe |
| 00:29.45 | karsten | uni-svigi: It won't. |
| 00:29.54 | concept10 | Guerin, not to me. I don't like people bath mouthing Debian |
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| 00:30.02 | karsten | uni-svigi: Post-boot, it's the kernel that's in control, not the BIOS. |
| 00:30.07 | uni-svigi | even if the bios cannot handle it, linux will handle it perfectly? good |
| 00:30.08 | Guerin | concept10: let them badmouth it. |
| 00:30.11 | concept10 | Guerin, because of any reason |
| 00:30.25 | uni-svigi | in another machine works without the 32gb jumper |
| 00:30.51 | concept10 | There are so many distros leaching from Debian, and I always wonder how much are they giving back |
| 00:30.57 | uni-svigi | but thanks for you helps |
| 00:31.19 | stew | concept10: if debian gets into the habit of releasing kernels with RC bugs, i don't htink that would improve debian's image |
| 00:31.19 | karsten | concept10: So long as they're license compliant, we really can't complain. |
| 00:31.20 | Guerin | concept10: free software is not zero-sum |
| 00:31.48 | Guerin | concept10: they're not `leeching' inasmuch as they don't typically take up any dev time, or anything - other than a little bit of bandwidth |
| 00:32.00 | concept10 | Linspire says they are moving from Debian to Ubuntu - I say who cares, what does Linspire contribute to upstream is all I care about |
| 00:32.14 | Guerin | concept10: and nobody else cares either. |
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| 00:33.54 | fsmunoz | concept10, even if they make stuff available is not easy to integrate stuff... the changes are there for Debian to take in 99% of the situations, but different concerns, directions and focus prevent it's usage. |
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| 00:34.44 | karsten | Guerin: Actually, it *is* zero-sum. |
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| 00:35.05 | karsten | Guerin: ... we're just using Big-0, so we've got large values of zero. |
| 00:35.16 | Guerin | hehe |
| 00:35.24 | concept10 | fsmunoz, theres nothing wrong with not accepting all of Ubuntus packages and direction. I agree with that. Ubuntu adds alot of shit I dont need |
| 00:35.38 | concept10 | The only thing I liked about Ubuntu is that they took the Debian model, and put a organized face on it. For example, specs on the wiki, (everything on the wiki) |
| 00:35.41 | karsten | Guerin: See, it's really "F0SS", not "FOSS", but people keep missing that. |
| 00:35.43 | peterS | why are we talking about linspire and ubuntu in #debian? |
| 00:35.49 | Guerin | hehe |
| 00:36.04 | Guerin | peterS: because concept10 is getting all protective |
| 00:36.06 | Guerin | so cute |
| 00:36.11 | karsten | peterS: We've solved all our problems and we're taking on the world. |
| 00:36.11 | stew | blame esr |
| 00:36.12 | ruied | Guerin, I would like to connect gnophone to my astreisk box, but it seems that gnomemeeting just connects to "gnome's" server |
| 00:36.14 | concept10 | what! |
| 00:36.19 | dkr | concept10: that's just a different kind of organization, (one the younger kids use :) debian is quiet organized in different ways |
| 00:36.33 | Guerin | ruied: it should be configuratable |
| 00:36.39 | peterS | debian is organized and next week we're going on strike |
| 00:36.57 | Guerin | peterS: s/on strike/to the pub/ |
| 00:37.08 | peterS | oh yeah, that's what I meant. small slip there. |
| 00:37.11 | ruied | Guerin, going to check, but didn't find sip server confs... |
| 00:37.22 | concept10 | I give up, after all, I cant believe i'm getting ALL of this software for free! (It's mine, all mine! gimme gimme gimme) |
| 00:37.31 | Guerin | ruied: i haven't used it in some years, so I dunno. |
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| 00:39.03 | concept10 | stoned, that wired app looks cool |
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| 00:40.09 | Quintin | stew: esr == idiot |
| 00:40.12 | stoned | concept10: I have not messed with anything lately I've been busy on my site |
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| 00:40.18 | stoned | concept10: css and php is fun! |
| 00:40.25 | Guerin | Quintin: holy crap, we agree on another thing! |
| 00:41.21 | fsmunoz | What makes it even worse is that ESR accepted a position in Linspire... |
| 00:41.35 | Guerin | i don't see how that makes anything worse |
| 00:41.38 | fsmunoz | So, it's not even just some simple bitching. |
| 00:41.42 | concept10 | stoned, php cant never been fun |
| 00:41.48 | Guerin | just means people have more reason to point and laugh at him |
| 00:41.53 | Quintin | I really don't know anyone as stupid as him. and wtf is with him saying he's a 'core linux developer' or whatever |
| 00:42.15 | Quintin | stoned: http://esbf.mine.nu/ <-- that's how you make a website! |
| 00:42.19 | concept10 | Why do people care what ESR thinks? |
| 00:42.27 | fsmunoz | True |
| 00:42.29 | Guerin | Quintin: remember, to `Open Source' people `linux' = `GNU/linux' and `talking shit' = `development' |
| 00:42.57 | concept10 | It always amuses me when people get on the lists, or in forums and explain why they are "leaving" a distro |
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| 00:43.11 | concept10 | you dont have to explain to anyone |
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| 00:43.13 | Quintin | don't let the door hit your ass on your way out. :) |
| 00:43.24 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:43.26 | karsten | concept10: Its histrionics and drama. Periodically it's also useful and instructive. |
| 00:43.37 | Guerin | i was going to say `don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you' |
| 00:43.51 | The_Tick | I was informed that there was a magical robot in #debian which gives users answers based on what they type |
| 00:43.58 | The_Tick | is there such a thing in here? |
| 00:43.58 | Guerin | The_Tick: indeed there is |
| 00:43.59 | Quintin | !test |
| 00:44.00 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 00:44.09 | concept10 | Thats like me going into #fedora and saying "Hey Im leaving fedora because you don't have apt-get dist-upgrade!" bye mofos! |
| 00:44.11 | The_Tick | is that some custom bot or what does it run under? |
| 00:44.20 | dondelelcaro | you're talking about ESR. What else has he contributed recently? |
| 00:44.21 | uni-svigi | good night everyone |
| 00:44.22 | Guerin | The_Tick: it is a blootbot |
| 00:44.25 | karsten | concept10: I washed my hands of RH/FC years ago (other than when I'm getting paid to suffer), for various reasons, some of which are now included in books on Debian. I've had beefs with various projects (GNOME, Galeon). There are others I think work really well. |
| 00:44.26 | Quintin | The_Tick: I think it's based on blootbot |
| 00:44.36 | concept10 | dondelelcaro, thats the real point |
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| 00:44.46 | The_Tick | awesome, thanks guys |
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| 00:45.03 | karsten | concept10: Considered criticisms, including of social / structural / leadership issues within projects _are_ relevant. |
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| 00:45.15 | concept10 | karsten, my beef is with GNOME, I file bugs when they remove stuff |
| 00:45.23 | Guerin | karsten: *considered* being the most elusive part. |
| 00:45.29 | karsten | concept10: This isn't to say that criticisms are considered or worthwhile. |
| 00:45.36 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah, I was getting to that. |
| 00:45.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:46.18 | sidjster | hot plug gotta come out for etch? |
| 00:46.22 | concept10 | It doesnt matter, open source isnt never going to die, or become mainstream as long as we have these attitudes |
| 00:46.36 | lleoneye | hi all anyone know why a few apps like iceweasel don't use kde theme for their gui after the default kde installation? |
| 00:46.39 | karsten | Guerin: I'd say ESR has pointed out a few specific failings of RH/FC. I've sat in on some very interesting meetings covering similar topics, involving people who pay (and are paid) to care about such things. |
| 00:46.40 | Guerin | concept10: who cares about open source again? Other than ESR? |
| 00:46.59 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, because they are gtk apps and not qt apps. |
| 00:47.19 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, there is a theme engine that makes gtk apps use qt though... |
| 00:47.22 | Quintin | SuSE is pretty cool |
| 00:47.30 | Guerin | karsten: whatever useful content he emits is largely lost in the reams of utter shit which he also emits. But he has indeed contributes some useful things. |
| 00:47.43 | concept10 | Guerin, i meant free software.. You know what I mean :) |
| 00:47.46 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, gtk-qt-engine IIRC |
| 00:47.52 | karsten | Guerin: ESR is markedly full of himself, yes. |
| 00:47.53 | Guerin | Quintin: suse would be pretty cool if a. it lacked yast b. it wasn't rpm and c. it wasn't novell |
| 00:47.55 | lleoneye | ahh nice |
| 00:48.02 | karsten | Guerin: That isn't to say he's not all noise and no signal. |
| 00:48.04 | lleoneye | cool thx |
| 00:48.07 | dkr | esr is a loudmouth blowhard, but he far from an idiot. |
| 00:48.07 | dkr | what amuased me was that part of his objection to fedora was that the developers were becoming moer concerned with free software idealism. :) I guess he won't be going from ubuntu to debian, :) |
| 00:48.09 | karsten | Guerin: I don't think he's a stopped clock either. |
| 00:48.14 | Quintin | Guerin: what's wrong with novell? Yes, yast sucks. |
| 00:48.15 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, then run "gtk-theme-switch2" and select "Qt". |
| 00:48.50 | Guerin | Quintin: aside from the MS patent licensing and general evil corporate agenda, not too much. |
| 00:48.54 | Guerin | but that's enough |
| 00:49.03 | lleoneye | nice thx a lot |
| 00:49.08 | concept10 | im sick of looking for packages when building stuff |
| 00:49.11 | fsmunoz | yw |
| 00:49.19 | Quintin | Guerin: I think it's cool though cause it comes with everything you need to get work done. example: adobe pdf plugin working in firefox |
| 00:49.23 | simonrvn | the app name is switch2 FYI |
| 00:49.24 | karsten | concept10: apt-cache show auto-apt |
| 00:49.30 | concept10 | why do I have to open autogen.sh to find out what I need |
| 00:49.46 | karsten | concept10: ph33r auto-apt run |
| 00:49.47 | Guerin | Quintin: i don't consider that a benefit, since OSen never successfully guess what I want to use. |
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| 00:50.24 | Guerin | and `adobe pdf plugin in firefox' is *definitely* not a feature |
| 00:50.32 | Quintin | Guerin: I consider it a benefit, 'cause actual users are 'idiots' and just want pretty point & click stuff that 'just works' |
| 00:51.01 | lleoneye | btw. my last question before im going to sleep, anyone know why kde dont auto load the systray volume icon and how to enable it? |
| 00:51.03 | Arafangion | Quintin: What's so idiotic about expecting things to work? |
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| 00:51.27 | lleoneye | the sound is working fine |
| 00:51.36 | Quintin | Arafangion: 'idiots' from Guerin's POV |
| 00:51.42 | lleoneye | i just dont have that icon |
| 00:51.45 | Arafangion | :) |
| 00:51.50 | Quintin | lleoneye: are you in 'audio' group? |
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| 00:52.03 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, add the sound mixer applet |
| 00:52.19 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, warning, it's fugly. |
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| 00:52.36 | lleoneye | i am quintin |
| 00:52.37 | olsen | stew: i've did aptitude install xorg but nothing, it installed but not everything |
| 00:52.44 | concept10 | karsten, thats neat, is that the only time it runs? (when you auto-apt run?) |
| 00:53.03 | dkr | olsen: xserver-xorg |
| 00:53.07 | lleoneye | hmmm but that applet is not the default one that shows a volume bar |
| 00:53.15 | karsten | concept10: Um, that's how you get it to auto-detect deps for you, yes. Not sure quite what you mean by question. |
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| 00:53.19 | lleoneye | its just a icon that opens a mixer window |
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| 00:53.23 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, right click on the panel, Add Applet, sound mixer. |
| 00:53.36 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, umm |
| 00:53.41 | concept10 | karsten, meaning I dont want it fetching stuff all of the time |
| 00:53.52 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, well, I had the same problem some days ago and that was the best I could do |
| 00:54.04 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, I don't remember the standard icon... |
| 00:54.04 | olsen | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.4.2-1.1) but it is not installable |
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| 00:54.22 | lleoneye | its like in windows or mac |
| 00:54.27 | karsten | concept10: It won't |
| 00:54.28 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, maybe in Control Center, in the Sound pane? Something like "display applet" or what not? |
| 00:54.32 | karsten | concept10: RTFM. |
| 00:54.33 | olsen | dkr: any idea? |
| 00:54.50 | lleoneye | a icon that when you click on it a tiny window appears with a single volume bar |
| 00:54.58 | lleoneye | the master one |
| 00:55.15 | lleoneye | with the possibility to change volume up and down |
| 00:55.37 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, yes, a simple one. It was missing from my install also. |
| 00:55.38 | ruied | I've tried kpone that has SIP protocol, but it doesn't have auto answer... |
| 00:55.49 | lleoneye | strange |
| 00:55.55 | stew | olsen: you aren't trying to mix releases are you? |
| 00:55.58 | ruied | are there any other SIP phones for debian stable??? |
| 00:56.27 | olsen | stew: one sec, i'll show you my sources.list |
| 00:56.34 | stew | ruied: apt-cache search sip phone |
| 00:56.50 | stew | olsen: better yet, show me the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy fontconf-config" |
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| 00:58.44 | olskolirc | ? |
| 00:58.48 | olskolirc | e |
| 00:58.50 | olskolirc | ? |
| 00:58.52 | olskolirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.58 | olskolirc | im getting confused looking |
| 00:59.05 | olskolirc | !dpkg w32codecs |
| 00:59.13 | dkr | !dpkg debian-multimedia |
| 00:59.20 | dkr | .org? |
| 00:59.28 | justin_ | !+debian-multimedia |
| 00:59.28 | dpkg | well, debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 00:59.30 | olskolirc | lol |
| 01:00.00 | dkr | heh, I switched to your syntax, :) |
| 01:00.22 | e1z0 | labos |
| 01:00.39 | lleoneye | i dunno what to use kde or gnome heh |
| 01:00.41 | olsen | stew: http://olsen.liquid-layouts.com/sources.list - http://olsen.liquid-layouts.com/fontconf.txt |
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| 01:01.40 | stew | !depends libfontconfig1 |
| 01:01.45 | stew | !info fontconfig-config |
| 01:01.48 | dpkg | fontconfig-config: (generic font configuration library - configuration), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.4.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 144 kB, Installed size: 356 kB |
| 01:01.49 | dpkg | libfontconfig1: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), fontconfig-config (= 2.4.2-1) |
| 01:02.10 | olsen | hm |
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| 01:02.23 | stew | olsen: what happens when you run "aptitude install fontconfig-config" ? |
| 01:02.34 | stew | oh |
| 01:02.35 | stew | wait |
| 01:02.36 | olsen | ldd (GNU libc) 2.3.6 |
| 01:02.36 | olsen | Copyright (C) 2005 Free Software Foundation, Inc. |
| 01:02.36 | olsen | This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO |
| 01:02.36 | olsen | warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. |
| 01:02.36 | olsen | Written by Roland McGrath and Ulrich Drepper. |
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| 01:02.51 | olsen | ups, sorry about that |
| 01:03.17 | fsmunoz | No worries |
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| 01:03.29 | fsmunoz | It's always poetry to the lot of us |
| 01:03.33 | fsmunoz | :D |
| 01:03.37 | olsen | :) |
| 01:04.28 | olsen | stew: it let me install it |
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| 01:05.05 | olsen | stew: is my sources.list fine? |
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| 01:06.34 | fsmunoz | lleoneye, try both. My humble opinion is that GNOME looks better, but KDE is more complete. YMMV, also look at xfce if you're intrested. |
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| 01:07.27 | Arafangion | imho, from a programmer's point of view, KDE is better designed, but let's not bring up this linus-kde-gnome-stallman debate. |
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| 01:07.51 | hatta | fluxbox! |
| 01:07.59 | hatta | sorry I had to |
| 01:08.06 | Arafangion | hatta: Not a DE |
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| 01:09.16 | Ber__ | loading of a module seems not to work, is there a way to read the error-msg? |
| 01:10.51 | jae | Anyone here know why python2.3 was dropped just like that? |
| 01:11.04 | Arafangion | jae: Because it's ancient. |
| 01:11.24 | Arafangion | jae: Even in debian terms. |
| 01:11.43 | jae | I just wonder if anyone thought about users' scripts |
| 01:11.56 | k31th | WHats the best way to search thru a dir for php files for a certain phrase ? |
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| 01:12.01 | amphi | Ber__: tail syslog as you modprobe it |
| 01:12.03 | justin_ | jae: what python2.3 code is not compatible with 2.4? |
| 01:12.06 | k31th | i need to find the files its located in. |
| 01:12.08 | unlink | i ran an rm -fr. why is it in an uninterruptable sleep? |
| 01:12.19 | jae | I upgraded python-pysqlite2 here, and it went boom due to /usr/bin/python2.3 in the #! |
| 01:12.19 | predder | I just deleted a 2.3gb file from /var/log (which is on it's on raid1 mdadm partition). du -hsc /var/log/ shows the space is free but df -h shows the partition is still full. I ran sync... any ideaS? |
| 01:12.28 | lleoneye | fsmunoz: i noticed that too |
| 01:12.48 | justin_ | predder: restart the syslog daemons |
| 01:13.01 | lleoneye | the search for files in gnome is a pain |
| 01:13.03 | Ber__ | amphi: you know where modules are beeing loaded from? |
| 01:13.05 | jae | Usually, before a package is dropped completely, it gets deprecated... could someone point me to where python2.3 was deprecated? |
| 01:13.14 | predder | justin_, what does the syslog daemon have to do with df? |
| 01:13.22 | magyar | "/lib/init/rw/.ramfs" << what would this be ?? |
| 01:13.22 | Arafangion | jae: I don't think you realise how old python 2.3 is |
| 01:13.30 | amphi | Ber__: try manually |
| 01:13.34 | justin_ | predder: you mean, what does the syslog daemon have to do with files in /var/log? |
| 01:13.37 | Arafangion | jae: You just might as well ask why we don't support Kernel 2.2 anymore. |
| 01:13.43 | jae | I do think you underestimate me (oh, not to mention "insult") |
| 01:13.56 | Ber__ | amphi: sorry, I don't understand what "manually" means |
| 01:14.01 | justin_ | jae: ln -s python2.4 python2.3 |
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| 01:14.15 | predder | justin_, well, the problem is not that the folder is full, because it's not. The problem is df still says the space on disk is in use after I deleted the file |
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| 01:14.24 | predder | anyway I restarted the daemon but nothing's changed.. |
| 01:14.26 | amphi | Ber__: modprobe foo where foo is the module name |
| 01:14.40 | jae | justin_, Arafangion: I just hope this will be in the release notes for etch |
| 01:14.47 | justin_ | predder: because the file is not deleted yet |
| 01:14.57 | jgraham_ | I've got a Debian testing system running a kerberos server and OpenLDAP server. I've had it up and running and clients using GSSAPI authentication to get to LDAP for quite some time, but today I noticed that clients (say ldapwhoami) keep defaulting to SASL/DIGEST-MD5 authentication -- even though the server claims support for GSSAPI (and if I run say "ldapwhoami -Y GSSAPI" it properly auths with GSSAPI). saslauthd is working properly, all other reque |
| 01:15.22 | Ber__ | amphi: I guess it's just the wrong location (Module xxx not found), but as I put a symbolic link to the directory containing the module into /lib/modules, might it be another problem? |
| 01:15.30 | predder | justin_, ok? So how can I enforce the file to be deleted? It no longer shows up using ls and I've run "sync" to flush the changes to disk |
| 01:15.41 | justin_ | predder: restart whatever program had it open |
| 01:16.00 | Arafangion | jae: If a developer wants to specifically hard-code his application so that it refers to something in a way that it cannot use any newer, *compatible* version, that's his problem. |
| 01:16.51 | jae | /usr/bin/pythonN.M was, IIRC, mainly a Debian invention. Not sure upstream did it that way before Debian did. |
| 01:17.03 | amphi | Ber__: why did you do that? |
| 01:17.18 | Arafangion | jae: No, it's not a debian invention. Others do it the same way as well, as does windows. |
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| 01:17.32 | jae | *do*... I was talking about *did* |
| 01:18.04 | predder | thanks justin_, I ran lsof and it looks like someone is tailing the file which is stopping the disk delete. Appreciate the help :) |
| 01:18.05 | Ber__ | amphi: s.o. told me that this is the place to store your modules at and where everybody is looking for them. I didn't want to move the directory so I used a symlink |
| 01:18.26 | Arafangion | jae: Python goes to great pains to ensure compatibility, python code is just as compatible in 2.5 as it is in 2.4, 2.3, and right back down to 1.5 |
| 01:18.57 | Arafangion | jae: But, python can't help if dev's specifically ensure tight coupling and specifically refer to particular versions. |
| 01:19.46 | Arafangion | Heck, it's starting to get hard to find modules compiled for 2.3 now, it's that old. |
| 01:20.31 | lleoneye | nite |
| 01:20.31 | jae | In Debian terms, it's current. That's what counts, at least from my POV. |
| 01:20.43 | olsen | stew: installed fontconfig-config |
| 01:20.43 | Arafangion | jae: It is not current in Debian terms. |
| 01:20.47 | jae | Release management, SOP |
| 01:20.55 | olsen | stew: but i still cant install xserver-xorg |
| 01:21.10 | jae | It's the default Python in Debian's current stable (or has etch been released yet?) |
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| 01:22.08 | Caelum | when I do firefox "url" it tells me iceweasel is running but not responding, when it's working just fine |
| 01:22.18 | fsmunoz | WTF? KDE uses BitKeeper? |
| 01:22.30 | Kage[Work] | Ok, anyone here skilled with nfs? There's no NFS channel on Freenode |
| 01:22.35 | olsen | anyone can help? |
| 01:22.45 | pipeline | Kage[Work]: Ask a real question. |
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| 01:23.42 | Arafangion | jae: Whatever the case, why does the developer mandate the particular version? |
| 01:24.09 | Arafangion | (Even mysql modules are out of date for python 2.3, and don't work with mysql by default) |
| 01:24.11 | Kage[Work] | pipeline: Ok, I have a machine here at work that I need to mount a couple filesystems from the NFS on the server the machine auths through using ldap |
| 01:24.14 | fsmunoz | Uffff. Just remembered that it was an April's Fool joke. |
| 01:24.38 | Kage[Work] | pipeline: One of the mounts, shown in `mount` on this machine is: fireball.phys.wvu.edu:/fireball/fireball-apps on /fireball-apps type nfs (rw,nosuid,soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,addr=157.182.109.198) |
| 01:24.55 | pipeline | Kage[Work]: You're out of my depth already. I didn't know NFS even supported LDAP as an auth mechanism. |
| 01:25.04 | Kage[Work] | I'm not exactly skilled with nfs, so I'm not too sure what I'm doing, and need some assistance |
| 01:25.18 | Kage[Work] | pipeline: it apparently doesn't, but this is coming from `mount` and fstab |
| 01:25.24 | jae | Because it seemed to be a good idea, due to Python being *so* compatible with itself |
| 01:25.51 | jae | And because it is^wwas supported |
| 01:26.06 | jnguy | Hello. Is there anyway to remove a package via apt-get without removing all of its dependencies? |
| 01:26.25 | Arafangion | jae: Since python is so compatible with itself, *why not use the latest!?!?* |
| 01:26.45 | jae | Because it might not be as compatible as you claim |
| 01:27.10 | sidjster | dont use apt |
| 01:27.24 | jnguy | sidjster: me? use dpkg instead? |
| 01:27.42 | sidjster | sure |
| 01:27.46 | jnguy | hm. okay. |
| 01:27.51 | Arafangion | jae: Then... even on etch, try apt-get install python2.3 |
| 01:27.54 | jnguy | thanks. |
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| 01:28.21 | justin_ | !+info python2.3 etch |
| 01:28.22 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:28.24 | dpkg | Package 'python2.3' does not exist. |
| 01:28.28 | quaal | hello.. i'm trying to connect to an openvpn server and i'm getting this error.. http://pastebin.ca/368365 |
| 01:28.30 | olsen | will it work if i install xorg on etch and then i upgrade to unstable? |
| 01:28.35 | quaal | was wondering if anyone knew what would cause this |
| 01:28.53 | Arafangion | justin_: It's in contrib, afaik. |
| 01:28.57 | jae | Arafangion: won't help, as I said earlier: no 2.3 support in pysqlite2 package |
| 01:29.05 | Ber__ | amphi: still there? |
| 01:29.10 | jae | Python2.3 is still installed on this box |
| 01:29.51 | Arafangion | jae: Get the sarge version, and port it. By this rationale, we should still be supporting python 1.5.2 |
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| 01:30.15 | jae | What rationale do you think I'm following, pray tell? |
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| 01:30.35 | Arafangion | jae: That a specific version should always exist. |
| 01:30.41 | jae | Never said so |
| 01:31.07 | jae | I even explicitly asked for a pointer to where Py2.3 was deprecated |
| 01:31.42 | jae | If version V is default in N, it shouldn't be completely removed in N+1, but deprecated |
| 01:31.59 | jae | At least I thought that was the model Debian followed |
| 01:32.31 | Arafangion | jae: You do have a point. |
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| 01:33.22 | foo | I did apt-get install php4-mysql on debian... but for some reason it's not showing up in phpinfo(). Any ideas? |
| 01:33.44 | dondelelcaro | foo: you don't have it loading the mysql.so in your php.ini file. |
| 01:34.01 | foo | ahh, that's where it is. |
| 01:34.06 | foo | I was looking in the wrong place |
| 01:34.34 | jae | And btw, Python 2.3 is gone, completely (it could only be in main anyway, but I have contrib and non-free active too here) |
| 01:34.51 | foo | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 01:34.57 | dondelelcaro | jae: python2.3 no longer exists in testing and unstable. It's only in stable. |
| 01:36.08 | jae | dondelelcaro: I know :) |
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| 01:37.03 | jae | Oh, just installed 2.5, and a nice example of Python compatibility: "Warning: 'with' will become a reserved keyword in Python" :) |
| 01:37.21 | jae | Of course, I forgot to copy the "2.6" at the end :) |
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| 01:50.49 | Arafangion | Is it possible to have an ssh "client" on a website, and allow users to have a line-oriented ssh session? |
| 01:51.03 | Arafangion | Won't neccessarily support the full curses interface, but does one exist? |
| 01:51.22 | predder | !badger |
| 01:51.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, badger is bar baz quuz thump |
| 01:51.39 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: yes, but they're generally considered to be a horrible idea |
| 01:51.57 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: I have no other alternative. :( |
| 01:52.15 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Not even ssh-over-http tunnels work, too slow and unreliable. |
| 01:52.19 | stoned | clear |
| 01:52.32 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: And the firewall is <censored> crap. |
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| 01:53.15 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: uh... you clearly have to atually connect using ssh... otherwise it doesn't work. |
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| 01:53.32 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: you should be able to find some port that you can get out on without stupidity. Tunnel through that. |
| 01:54.01 | dondelelcaro | (and if ssh over http is too slow, there's no way doing it via *http* is going to be faster) |
| 01:54.03 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: The only port I can tunnel over is 443, and that's unreliabe. |
| 01:54.14 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: why? |
| 01:54.20 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Sure there is, a solution that mimics a dumb line printer interface. |
| 01:54.23 | dondelelcaro | then get EVDO or something that doesn't suck. |
| 01:54.32 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: This is university crapage. |
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| 01:54.45 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: what university? |
| 01:54.59 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: It's a uni in Australia. |
| 01:55.12 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Don't worry, they've discontinued Engineering, I'm the last year through. |
| 01:55.35 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: well, talk to your network ops and get them to fix it. There are no extant solutions that do what you're requesting. |
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| 01:55.52 | dondelelcaro | (well, that do it without being absolutely horrible ideas and no better than using telnet) |
| 01:55.55 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: They are under the delusion that it's "impossible". |
| 01:56.02 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro: Even telnet would be nice. :( |
| 01:56.31 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: well, complain to your administration then; or search freshmeat. |
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| 01:56.47 | dondelelcaro | regardless, it's rather OT here. |
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| 01:58.25 | boven | i have been passed an old pc and i want to add it to my wlan as a server. this old pc comes without keyboard or mouse. is it possible to set up the server via the wlan using only a connected host? |
| 01:59.41 | justin_ | boven: you can't just plug a keyboard into it for 10 minutes? |
| 02:00.52 | boven | justin_: of course i can use my current keyboard/mouse on the old pc. i would like to do it remotely as much as possible. |
| 02:00.52 | Supaplex | is usb-storage for cdroms on usb to? |
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| 02:01.11 | boven | i mean setting the old pc up as a server. |
| 02:01.13 | justin | boven: if you boot inexpert mode you can enable ssh |
| 02:01.18 | afra23 | within /etc/network/interfaces, IP aliasing doesn't seem to work. I have it as iface eth0:0 inet static - is this correct? |
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| 02:02.31 | Quintin | boven: apt-get install openssh-server .. |
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| 02:04.15 | concept10 | stoned, you around ? im about to drop some heat on you |
| 02:04.16 | Supaplex | my system can boot via usb-hdd. What use to be /dev/hda is on on usb (usb<->pata adapter). If my sata drives come up as sda1,sda2 (md+lvm+rootfs), how do I resetup grub for this? |
| 02:05.01 | stoned | gyg |
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| 02:05.06 | stoned | titina |
| 02:05.08 | Supaplex | that drive is now sdc, and I can't reload the order on the debian-live cd. usd-storage refuses to unload (I suspect from the usb-cdrom) |
| 02:05.19 | stoned | er.. typo, "huh" and "yoyoma" |
| 02:05.22 | Supaplex | usb-storage* |
| 02:05.34 | justin | Supaplex: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:05.53 | justin | Supaplex: you still get to the grub menu, right? |
| 02:06.50 | Supaplex | I get error 17 on boot |
| 02:07.17 | justin | Supaplex: when |
| 02:09.00 | stoned | concept10: yo yo ma |
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| 02:09.49 | concept10 | stoned, I want to send you a track, you going to be around for 5 mins? |
| 02:09.59 | Supaplex | on boot, no menu, nothing. I get the same w/ or w/o the drive in, so I think the oldoldold install of grub is on sda1. how do I remove it from there? |
| 02:10.02 | Quintin | Is a sound blaster 24-bit card going to be any better than my integrated intel HDA realtek audio? |
| 02:10.17 | stoned | concept10: should you even be asking me that? You know I don't have a life |
| 02:10.27 | concept10 | stoned, im still trying to figure out a bass line.. heh |
| 02:10.33 | Quintin | Supaplex: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1 count=512 . maybe! |
| 02:10.35 | concept10 | Quintin, of course |
| 02:10.49 | Quintin | concept10: of course? You think so? how so? *listens* |
| 02:11.12 | stoned | I have latency problems sometimes on that same sound chip |
| 02:11.21 | stoned | I am seriously considering a dedicated SC |
| 02:11.31 | stoned | and a DI box too |
| 02:11.43 | geo-rge | why? you play bass? |
| 02:11.45 | stoned | those two will help immensely in the sound quality |
| 02:11.47 | stoned | geo-rge: yes |
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| 02:12.09 | Quintin | stoned: what kind of issues? |
| 02:12.14 | geo-rge | you hip to willis? |
| 02:12.17 | stoned | ummm latency |
| 02:12.33 | stoned | other than that its fairly good |
| 02:12.37 | Quintin | well, I have some fancy pants 24bit sound blaster live, THING, in my box of parts and stuff. and I'm wondering if I should put it in my desktop |
| 02:12.42 | stoned | willis? |
| 02:13.03 | stoned | Quintin: you know who wears fancy pants? the gay people |
| 02:13.09 | geo-rge | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9rywP7qYw |
| 02:13.18 | geo-rge | stoned: go look at that |
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| 02:13.57 | Quintin | stoned: like.. what latency issues? :P I don't get it. example? |
| 02:14.23 | stoned | well hes talking about bullshit |
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| 02:14.54 | stoned | talking abour particular chords which confuse people but not me |
| 02:15.07 | stoned | they dont' do that when teaching proper classical music |
| 02:15.32 | boven_ | justin: sorry, accidental disconnect earlier on. minimunm, i need to set up the remote pc with ssh before remote installation can proceed? |
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| 02:16.14 | Quintin | boven: why don't you just use the netinst disc and do a regular install, then setup openssh when you're done? |
| 02:16.29 | stoned | but whatever his musical sensebility might be, seems like he has very good technique |
| 02:16.42 | stoned | so props on that |
| 02:16.48 | `Um3ggh1U` | hello |
| 02:16.52 | stoned | hi |
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| 02:16.53 | boven_ | Quintin: don't have the disc. |
| 02:17.16 | geo-rge | stoned: probably best on planet |
| 02:17.29 | stoned | I doubt it |
| 02:17.57 | stoned | Necrophagist, Primus, Spawn of Possession feature virtouso bassists |
| 02:18.05 | geo-rge | why? you think you're better? |
| 02:18.07 | stoned | not only in technique, but in note choices too |
| 02:18.13 | concept10 | Quintin, the more the bits, the better (I live for 32bit float) |
| 02:18.21 | geo-rge | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taGr3-uX0c |
| 02:18.27 | boven_ | Quintin: i can download and burn the disc. i am trying to work out remote installation, with gui if possible. |
| 02:18.34 | stoned | it if fair to say he is _one of the best_ but certainly not best on the planet |
| 02:18.49 | geo-rge | I think you might learn something looking at that one... |
| 02:19.11 | stoned | alright |
| 02:19.24 | stoned | show me a video of this guy playing an actual song or a bass solo |
| 02:19.29 | Quintin | concept10: why? any music I download or rip is 16bit |
| 02:19.43 | geo-rge | I already did :P |
| 02:19.47 | stoned | ah |
| 02:20.15 | Quintin | boven: You have to have console access for the installation. GUI? wtf? Go buy SuSE or something then. |
| 02:20.20 | cokeslut | sup? |
| 02:20.21 | raxip | hi |
| 02:20.32 | concept10 | Quintin, it doesnt matter really if youre only using 16bit, I record 24bit or 32bit floating point |
| 02:20.39 | stoned | yeh like I said, his technique is very good, so he can play whatever, but I don't care for what he is playing. The sounds he is producing, I don't like them |
| 02:21.23 | Quintin | concept10: hm. I dunno what I record. 24 bit? maybe.. |
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| 02:22.03 | concept10 | Quintin, if you dont know, then youre probably using 16. Most default settings are 16bit. |
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| 02:22.20 | boven | Quintin: setting up a server with an old pc is not a problem for me now. what about a blade server which does not have keyboard or mouse port? |
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| 02:22.27 | __marp | how can i config my video card for gnome? |
| 02:22.32 | raxip | secret |
| 02:22.34 | cokeslut | you tell me |
| 02:22.39 | geo-rge | that;s the point of the first video... freedom is being able to go from one chord to the next in either direction. "that's freedom, that's what you want" |
| 02:22.39 | stoned | huh |
| 02:22.53 | stoned | cokeslut: troll? |
| 02:22.57 | sidjster | your vid card for gnome? |
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| 02:23.43 | justin | boven: have you ever used a blade server before? |
| 02:24.34 | Quintin | concept10: no... it's 24 I am pretty sure. :P |
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| 02:24.46 | boven | justin: i am on a learning curve to one. that is why i start off with an old pc. this is easy since it still have a kbd and mouse port. |
| 02:24.56 | Quintin | concept10: I haven't done that kind of stuff for awhile.. but the recorder had 16 & 24, I think. it's a korg |
| 02:25.23 | Quintin | __marp: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 02:25.30 | justin | boven: you seem to be making quite a few assumtions on how blades actually work |
| 02:25.31 | Quintin | !gnome oneliner |
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| 02:25.41 | Quintin | !test |
| 02:25.42 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 02:25.43 | justin | boven: I suggest you read the documentation for whatever kind of blade system you have |
| 02:25.51 | Quintin | !gnome |
| 02:25.51 | dpkg | i heard gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 02:26.06 | Quintin | !install gnome |
| 02:26.06 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 02:26.11 | boven | justin: i have to make it work as the coming part of my job. |
| 02:26.30 | justin | boven: better start reading then |
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| 02:26.57 | boven | justin: i have done that. the problem on my head is how to set it up in a wlan. |
| 02:27.44 | justin | boven: what is your actual problem? |
| 02:28.17 | concept10 | Ive got a stupid USB key that will not mount or unmount! I hate sneakernet |
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| 02:28.38 | boven | justin: as before, how to set it up, via the wlan. |
| 02:29.00 | geo-rge | concept10: if it won't mount, how would you ever have the opportunity to umount? |
| 02:29.38 | justin | boven: is this a problem that you actually have, or one that you invented? |
| 02:30.02 | concept10 | geo-rge, I had it mounted earlier, needed to umount, if didnt want to so I just yanked it out. No time for mount games, give me my stuff! |
| 02:30.37 | boven | i suppose this place is not for advanced stuff like this. its for kids like you to fool around. |
| 02:30.37 | geo-rge | perhaps that's why you can no longer mount it |
| 02:30.37 | concept10 | I just had it mounted on another box |
| 02:30.44 | boven | justin: i suppose this place is not for advanced stuff like this. its for kids like you and that stupid Quinitn to fool around. |
| 02:30.47 | concept10 | How do I clear this, do I have to reboot? |
| 02:31.27 | geo-rge | concept10: are you sure the formatting on the usb stick is still good? (example: can you mount it on a different machine) |
| 02:31.59 | geo-rge | stoned: do you like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_9Ihw2ir1g&mode=related&search= |
| 02:32.04 | concept10 | geo-rge, I just had it mounted, plus I see it when I plug it in with messages |
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| 02:32.45 | geo-rge | concept10: that means the kernel is seeing the usb as a storage unit... |
| 02:33.14 | stoned | now this is what I'm talking about |
| 02:33.15 | geo-rge | but now is there a reason you're being told as to why it can't be mounted? |
| 02:33.27 | stoned | he has hacked the cello kernel to bits |
| 02:33.33 | stoned | he is the master of cello |
| 02:33.35 | geo-rge | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVjZUooS3us&mode=related&search= |
| 02:33.42 | geo-rge | his solo on speak low |
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| 02:33.57 | stoned | wait a minute |
| 02:34.04 | stoned | that isnot a cello wtf is that |
| 02:34.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:34.14 | stoned | whoah holy hell that is like whoah |
| 02:34.14 | justin | stoned: I know what it isn't |
| 02:34.28 | Guerin | *@*.sg always get arsed with #debian |
| 02:34.28 | stoned | its huge |
| 02:34.48 | Guerin | singtards tend to just have chips on thier shoulders, probably from living in a police state |
| 02:35.01 | justin | Guerin: I wonder where he got the idea that blades can't use keyboards from |
| 02:35.07 | Guerin | right |
| 02:35.12 | rahul | stoned: sorry. I'll put it away if it's scaring you |
| 02:35.24 | Guerin | justin: maybe it has an AT connector |
| 02:35.28 | markybob | Guerin, i actually liked it when i was there. pretty nice place |
| 02:35.30 | stoned | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-st6f-R_QXo |
| 02:35.38 | justin | stoned: #youtube |
| 02:35.39 | stoned | this is the god of all that is guitar on this planet |
| 02:35.42 | stoned | Andres segovia |
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| 02:35.45 | stoned | ok sorry |
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| 02:36.24 | Quintin | Supaplex: uuid= ? |
| 02:36.35 | unlink | ok. why is my cd drive spinning? |
| 02:36.48 | unlink | anyone's guess is as good as mine. |
| 02:36.49 | markybob | unlink, to get to the next byte? |
| 02:36.49 | geo-rge | because the earth is spinning too |
| 02:37.02 | markybob | thank you, thank you |
| 02:37.09 | Quintin | One time a friend was connected via ssh to my machine, and the drive started spinning |
| 02:37.16 | justin | unlink: spinning as opposed to...? |
| 02:37.18 | Quintin | he was doing a listing of the porn DVDR in one of the drives :( |
| 02:37.28 | unlink | unsolo: not spinning. |
| 02:37.32 | unlink | * justin: |
| 02:37.44 | unlink | the CD drive itself is still |
| 02:37.50 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 02:37.50 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:37.52 | unlink | it's the CD inside that's spinning without cause |
| 02:37.56 | Guerin | markybob: i've only been there for a couple days, I found it somewhat claustraphobic compared to other places in Asia. Even Beijing seems less totalitarian. |
| 02:37.57 | Supaplex | Quintin: mount man page says the uuid must exist in /proc/partitions, but I've never seen those there. I wonder why... |
| 02:38.07 | markybob | rahul, thank God, the old rahul is back! ;) |
| 02:38.12 | Guerin | markybob: i apologise for offending you yesterday, by the way. |
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| 02:38.29 | rahul | heh |
| 02:38.31 | geo-rge | wow, that's the second bromberg solo in a row, and he played "love supreme" line on both |
| 02:38.36 | Quintin | Supaplex: when I migrated my machine I didn't mess with /proc, just menu.lst and fstab |
| 02:38.37 | markybob | Guerin, thank you. i also apologize if i got out of line. i had a couple of beers in me :) |
| 02:38.47 | justin | unlink: ooh, spinning still? was probably gnome-value-manager or such |
| 02:38.55 | rahul | I didn't |
| 02:38.58 | unlink | justin: it's not running. |
| 02:39.01 | rahul | otherwise I'd be talking about penixes and asses |
| 02:39.02 | unlink | volume manager. |
| 02:39.06 | Guerin | markybob: i'm a great fan of people not apologising for what they said, just how it came across. No drama. |
| 02:39.09 | markybob | Guerin, my favorite part was going to a starbucks in singapore. it just felt so incredibly out of place to be there |
| 02:39.11 | justin | unlink: hald? anything like that? |
| 02:39.34 | concept10 | stoned, im pissed, I just made two new tracks, but cant send because this drive will not mount, Ill send later or tommorow,, im out of here |
| 02:39.35 | rahul | (speaking of asses) |
| 02:40.03 | rahul | I have a picture of the person who keeps winning first place in those beauty contests |
| 02:40.11 | concept10 | stoned, I need to put my server back online, this USB key sneakernet is killing me |
| 02:40.13 | Guerin | markybob: hah, when you walk out of the arrival gate at Beijing Xinhua airport thinking `so this is Communist China' the first thing you see is a Starbucks, a KFC, a Burger King, a Dunkin Donuts and a McDonald's |
| 02:40.21 | rahul | then again, markybob sees better asses than hers every day. |
| 02:40.41 | stoned | lol |
| 02:40.44 | rahul | yeah, "communist" china |
| 02:40.44 | stoned | that sucks |
| 02:41.05 | rahul | they're more straight up corrupt than communist these days |
| 02:41.20 | rahul | they just allow their friends to run businesses |
| 02:41.24 | Guerin | they just use communism as a tool to maintain corruption |
| 02:41.26 | Supaplex | Quintin: yea, I guess I'll just wing it until my new hardware solves a few little issues. |
| 02:41.33 | Guerin | that's nothing new, however |
| 02:41.46 | rahul | s/communism/power/ and it's even less new :) |
| 02:41.52 | Guerin | right |
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| 02:42.22 | rahul | my god, but that anti-thong that girl is wearing is hot |
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| 02:43.05 | Guerin | rahul: isn't it winter there? Seems cold to me. |
| 02:43.07 | kombi | anyone ever done JNDI between two wars in jboss( non ejb ) |
| 02:43.07 | markybob | rahul, i just saw your pm. 'wow' is about all i can say |
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| 02:43.22 | rahul | heh |
| 02:43.51 | Guerin | kombi: wow, that gets the award for `least comprehensible while probably still being correct' line evar |
| 02:43.53 | rahul | kombi: #java |
| 02:44.23 | rahul | kombi: and the point of jboss is that you need to buy docs and consulting to get it to actually work |
| 02:44.26 | g333k_laptop | hello I have 2 computers, one linux box that 2 NICs with a internet connection and another windows box, how can I share the internet connection to the windows box? |
| 02:44.40 | geo-rge | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Pp_DpZL58&mode=related&search= <-- gary willis composition |
| 02:44.41 | Guerin | rahul: bah, the world needs more skinny tart photos like it needs a hole in the head. |
| 02:44.45 | rahul | it's the most beautiful abuse of the open source community out there |
| 02:44.54 | rahul | Guerin: yeah, but look at what she's wearing! |
| 02:45.03 | rahul | or not wearing as the case may be |
| 02:45.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:45.30 | rahul | markybob: find some hot chicks and get them to wear that and take photos |
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| 02:45.55 | rahul | you've got to know girls who have 100x better bodies than that girl |
| 02:46.11 | markybob | rahul, ha! i dont know where you come from, but the chicks i know dont just take their clothes off for geeks ;-) |
| 02:46.20 | markybob | rahul, you've gotta be a soccer start ;) |
| 02:46.21 | rahul | heh |
| 02:46.24 | rahul | haha |
| 02:46.31 | markybob | s/start/star |
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| 02:48.35 | kombi | rahul: could not join that room |
| 02:48.51 | stoned | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_tuLEmWccM |
| 02:48.55 | stoned | I'm sorry I have to share this |
| 02:48.59 | rahul | kombi: oh well, hire jboss |
| 02:49.03 | stoned | this is just too hilarious |
| 02:49.06 | stoned | please check it out |
| 02:49.08 | stoned | lol |
| 02:49.11 | JoshJ | I downloaded the sarge 3.1r5 i386 iso, burned it to a disc, and rebooted... but when I reboot it just takes me to my usual GRUB loader and not the debian installer |
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| 02:49.39 | geo-rge | sounds like schwartzaneger |
| 02:49.39 | JoshJ | (I'm currently on ubuntu and it will boot from an ubuntu livedisc so I know my disc drive isn't screwed up |
| 02:50.09 | markybob | JoshJ, tell your bios to boot from cdrom instead of hd |
| 02:50.25 | rahul | heh |
| 02:50.35 | JoshJ | markybob: in case it's not obvious, that's where the livedisc boots from |
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| 02:50.39 | stoned | dude |
| 02:50.43 | stoned | I can't stop laughing |
| 02:51.04 | stoned | I have that instruction video lol |
| 02:51.07 | rahul | is he like that IRL? |
| 02:51.20 | rahul | I hear Vai is quite a prick |
| 02:51.21 | stoned | no, they are making fun of him cuz hes pretty much the fastest one in the world |
| 02:51.26 | rahul | yeah |
| 02:51.39 | markybob | JoshJ, run and md5 check on the image? |
| 02:51.40 | stoned | and a lot of people cut down blazing speed on guitar and stuff |
| 02:51.47 | JoshJ | markybob: good idea |
| 02:51.49 | geo-rge | also known as mister tendonitis |
| 02:51.51 | stoned | they call it technical wankery cuz they can't pull it off and they wished they could |
| 02:52.00 | rahul | hehe |
| 02:52.47 | geo-rge | most of what he does is set classical to metal instrumentation |
| 02:54.03 | rahul | he did a frigging amazing cover of mr crowley with tim owens |
| 02:54.42 | markybob | rahul, how come crowley gets to be called "mr" and owens just gets his first name? |
| 02:54.55 | rahul | heh |
| 02:55.04 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 02:55.04 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 02:55.05 | stoned | mr. crowly is a song title |
| 02:55.14 | geo-rge | tim crowley? |
| 02:55.19 | stoned | who? |
| 02:55.20 | markybob | heh |
| 02:55.30 | karsten | In info, how do you exit help? |
| 02:55.36 | geo-rge | q |
| 02:55.37 | rahul | tools. |
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| 02:55.53 | geo-rge | wait, that's how you exit info |
| 02:55.54 | karsten | geo-rge: Nope. |
| 02:55.57 | geo-rge | u? |
| 02:55.59 | karsten | geo-rge: That quits info. |
| 02:56.05 | karsten | geo-rge: C-x 0 |
| 02:56.11 | karsten | geo-rge: Intuitive, innit? |
| 02:56.15 | geo-rge | heh |
| 02:56.23 | ix | Hmm... I seem to be having issues with my e1000-card - whenever I try to start it up, it starts at 1000Mbps, then the link falls down and comes up again at 100Mbps, on a gigabit-switch. |
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| 02:56.46 | ix | What could be the reason for this behaviour? |
| 02:56.47 | karsten | ix: ethtool may help |
| 02:56.48 | markybob | ix, switch cables |
| 02:56.51 | geo-rge | stoned: I found another lesson thing, one sec |
| 02:56.56 | ix | markybob: tried several |
| 02:56.59 | ix | karsten: will try! |
| 02:57.03 | markybob | ix length? |
| 02:57.11 | geo-rge | meanwhile check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu489l2UdI4 |
| 02:57.24 | ix | just testing for now, approx. 2 metres |
| 02:58.02 | madd_matt | ix, i'd suspect your cable isn't quite up to spec, so gigabit fails. Is it a home-made cable? Are your ends capped properly? Maybe test with a short cat6 patch cable that is known to be good? |
| 02:58.30 | markybob | geo-rge, that kind of thing can only be enjoyed while high |
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| 02:59.09 | stoned | is that scott henderson on the guitar |
| 02:59.10 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 02:59.13 | stoned | you gotta be shittin me |
| 02:59.16 | geo-rge | stoned: yep |
| 02:59.16 | MarkH_UK | any courier users in here? |
| 02:59.17 | rahul | mr crowley, did you talk with the dead |
| 02:59.20 | stoned | that guy is a tool |
| 02:59.24 | stoned | a complete tool |
| 02:59.26 | ix | madd_matt: I'll try to test with a cat6 cable, if I can find one. |
| 02:59.28 | unlink | justin: no |
| 02:59.30 | stoned | I bought his instructional dvd |
| 02:59.46 | stoned | he plays reall we and is very good. but he makes faces |
| 02:59.57 | ix | madd_matt: I didn't make the cable, some other kid did - I'll try making it myself. |
| 03:00.02 | unlink | unsolo: ostensibly there's no reason why, nothing is using CPU |
| 03:00.02 | stoned | every time he hits a note, his face contorts up n down |
| 03:00.08 | stoned | annoys the shit outta me |
| 03:00.17 | unlink | er |
| 03:00.22 | unlink | justin: ostensibly there's no reason why, nothing is using CPU |
| 03:00.24 | geo-rge | stoned: yeah, he did that on his instructional video |
| 03:00.32 | rahul | I couldn't even enjoy that music while stoned. |
| 03:00.36 | unlink | justin: it has been spinning nonetheless for 40 minutes |
| 03:00.38 | karsten | unlink: If you're building a lot of cable, buy a cable tester |
| 03:00.39 | geo-rge | the one on melodic contours |
| 03:00.41 | markybob | rahul, ha :) |
| 03:00.50 | rahul | it's too mellow. |
| 03:00.52 | unlink | karsten: uh, what? |
| 03:00.56 | rahul | gives me a headache. |
| 03:00.57 | MarkH_UK | I'm having some issues with courier pop3, it is saying on our security log that the plain text auth is enabled but i cant see how |
| 03:00.59 | stoned | iceweasel has crashed on me 7th time in a row |
| 03:01.09 | MarkH_UK | the only thing it is doing is allows USER / PASS to send over 110 |
| 03:01.23 | MarkH_UK | but we start up all smtpd's with TLS / SSLv3 |
| 03:01.28 | markybob | stoned, using nspluginwrapper? |
| 03:01.40 | stoned | i dunno |
| 03:01.43 | rahul | I need something more psychedelic for listening when I'm stoned |
| 03:02.02 | markybob | rahul, that's the only reason phish is famous. however they're spelled |
| 03:02.16 | rahul | led zep works well because the cover band I know brings the good stuff :) |
| 03:02.19 | rahul | markybob: hehehehehehehe |
| 03:02.28 | stoned | just a reminder |
| 03:02.29 | stoned | !ot |
| 03:02.29 | dpkg | ot is, like, Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 03:02.59 | rahul | http://myspace-926.vo.llnwd.net/00971/62/95/971575926_l.jpg <- that's a phish t-shirt |
| 03:03.02 | justin | unlink: does the eject button work? |
| 03:03.12 | MarkH_UK | so anyone who admins courier here at all? |
| 03:03.21 | MarkH_UK | need some help, been at this most of the evening. |
| 03:03.39 | JoshJ | hm |
| 03:03.42 | karsten | unlink: cable tester == tool that tests integrity of Ethernet cable. |
| 03:03.54 | JoshJ | i think i simply mis-burned the cd. i just re-burned it with a different cd burning program, gonna try again |
| 03:04.04 | JoshJ | where can i find the md5 to check? |
| 03:04.13 | markybob | rahul, i knew a girl who quit college to drive around and go to every phish concert |
| 03:04.27 | markybob | JoshJ, 7c10e124c3f257419032453c683b8d6e debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:04.30 | Xenguy | kewl |
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| 03:04.40 | unlink | justin: http://pastebin.ca/368485 |
| 03:04.43 | unlink | justin: no |
| 03:04.45 | karsten | markybob: Teach a girl to read, and you've got an English major. Teach a girl to phish.... |
| 03:04.57 | unlink | karsten: yes, i know what it is, i've used them. but why are you telling me this? |
| 03:04.59 | markybob | karsten, ironically enough, she was an english major ;) |
| 03:05.00 | rahul | heh |
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| 03:05.02 | JoshJ | ah, thanks |
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| 03:05.08 | JoshJ | for future reference where on the site is that? |
| 03:05.15 | justin | unlink: lsof? |
| 03:05.24 | karsten | unlink: Um. I'm misfiring. Ix. |
| 03:05.26 | markybob | JoshJ, same folder the iso is in |
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| 03:05.32 | markybob | JoshJ, md5sum file |
| 03:05.39 | karsten | ix: If you're building a lot of cable, buy a cable tester |
| 03:05.47 | JoshJ | well that kind of sucks, because i didn't get it out of a folder |
| 03:05.53 | karsten | !win me |
| 03:05.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 03:05.57 | rahul | haha |
| 03:06.00 | rahul | that chick again |
| 03:06.15 | rahul | if she weren't wearing that thing, she wouldn't win |
| 03:06.29 | unlink | justin: not in there. |
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| 03:08.05 | archville | Hi, i've just intalled Etch today. Everything works but it seems /dev/dsp* does not exists. I can hear sound in some apps, but a lot of apps complain about dev/dsp is needed. |
| 03:08.27 | rahul | you need to set up alsa's oss compatibility |
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| 03:08.31 | abrotman | you may need the alsa OSS compat stuff |
| 03:08.33 | rahul | or use alsa apps instead of oss apps |
| 03:08.41 | archville | Uhmm, i've installed alsa-base, utils and alsa-oss |
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| 03:09.22 | markybob | Arafangion, modprobe snd_pcm_oss |
| 03:09.28 | Sivik | how do i get past the problem "sudo, time stamp too far in the future" |
| 03:09.38 | magyar | sid had a smooth transition from firefox to iceweasle on Monday.....NOT |
| 03:09.40 | archville | markybob, ok, trying... |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | Sivik: travel back in time! |
| 03:09.49 | Xenguy | Sivik: sounds like a natural for google ? |
| 03:10.11 | Sivik | Xenguy: thats kinda hard since i am trying to install my gui |
| 03:10.11 | markybob | abrotman, always love your advice ;) |
| 03:10.19 | archville | markybob, it worked, not /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp2 exist |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | markybob: it's better than average :) |
| 03:10.34 | Xenguy | Sivik: ahh, well try apt-get install links |
| 03:10.34 | archville | how can i setup it to autoload the module ? |
| 03:10.38 | Sivik | Xenguy: and for some reason, when i run sudo kdm, it get weird symbols and i can't get back to any other ttys |
| 03:10.44 | magyar | how do i recover my stored passwords from a firefox profile? |
| 03:10.47 | markybob | archville, add it to /etc/modules |
| 03:10.50 | Xenguy | Sivik: so work from the CLI for now |
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| 03:10.56 | archville | markybob, thanks a lot :) |
| 03:11.04 | markybob | np |
| 03:11.05 | Xenguy | Sivik: think of it as boot camp (no pun intended :-) |
| 03:11.06 | Sivik | Xenguy: thats what i'm trying to do, i'm not good at using lynx |
| 03:11.17 | Sivik | Xenguy: ok |
| 03:11.30 | karsten | Sivik: There are much better text-mode browsers. |
| 03:11.30 | Xenguy | Sivik: lynx and links is simple enough - just be methodical and learn to work low-level |
| 03:11.38 | Sivik | Xenguy: ok |
| 03:11.48 | karsten | Sivik: w3m, links, elinks, elinks2. I prefer w3m myselfl |
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| 03:14.18 | Sivik | orangefly: you have to move that file from where you downloaded it to the /lib/firmware folder |
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| 03:15.15 | Smoked1 | I am trying to download a 5GB file from my server via ftp but it does not even show up. If I specify the filename it says that the file is too big. Does ftp have some sort of size limitation? |
| 03:16.32 | __marp | so i just installed debian, and when attempting to launch synaptic package manager in gnome, i get a "cannot launch entry" error, saying failed to execute child process "gksu" (no such file or dir). How can i fix this? |
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| 03:17.23 | markybob | __marp, apt-get instlal gksu ? |
| 03:17.29 | markybob | install* |
| 03:17.35 | __marp | er |
| 03:17.36 | __marp | ok :D |
| 03:17.47 | tenzin_ | hi .. what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude ?? |
| 03:17.53 | rahul | apt-get is deprecated |
| 03:17.59 | markybob | tenzin_, apt-get came first. aptitude has more features |
| 03:18.01 | rahul | aptitude is a smarter, more complete apt frontend |
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| 03:18.09 | __marp | wots a sudoer |
| 03:18.21 | rahul | apt-get is like Xt. it was there to get people started |
| 03:18.22 | bosko | Hi, how can I connect to a remote SSH Server from the terminal? |
| 03:18.34 | rahul | bosko: with the ssh command... |
| 03:18.36 | markybob | bosko, you cant be serious |
| 03:18.50 | Xenguy | tenzin_: check out this article: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html |
| 03:18.56 | bosko | hurr, Im retarded |
| 03:19.02 | abrotman | __marp: man sudo |
| 03:19.10 | rahul | hmm, I better take a shower and get over to the bar... see if the manager likes the CSS I made |
| 03:19.17 | tenzin_ | i did a aptitide remove eclipse and it removed most of my gnome apps... saying they are not used ... |
| 03:19.22 | abrotman | rahul: that's a weird bartender |
| 03:19.30 | rahul | why? |
| 03:19.32 | bosko | I was using putty on windows all day at work, come home, need to access my SSH, and just totally blanked out |
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| 03:20.21 | rahul | abrotman: because he chose me to do his web design? :P |
| 03:20.23 | markybob | abrotman, btw, i still need a c programmer :) any recommendations? driving me nuts |
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| 03:20.48 | dnanar_ | hi all ! |
| 03:20.50 | markybob | rahul, how's your c? |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | markybob: argh ? :) |
| 03:21.03 | rahul | markybob: if I told you, I'd have to kill you |
| 03:21.04 | unlink | yeah, this is pretty weird |
| 03:21.08 | markybob | abrotman, heh :) |
| 03:21.09 | abrotman | rahul: free beer! |
| 03:21.34 | rahul | abrotman: oh, yeah |
| 03:21.34 | rahul | abrotman: at other bars, too |
| 03:21.34 | Xenguy | !beer everyone |
| 03:21.34 | abrotman | markybob: most of the good C programmers i know i have full time jobs |
| 03:21.34 | dnanar_ | im searching a command to show an image in fulscreen mode with a simple bash command, does anyone know how to do this please ? |
| 03:21.52 | rahul | abrotman: he bought be a drink at another bar last week and gave me a quarter of his burrito and the bartender bought me my next drink |
| 03:21.55 | markybob | abrotman, i'm running into the same problem. i just need someone who wants a weekend job for some quick money. my c is too rough for what i need |
| 03:22.01 | rahul | psht, yuengling is cheap |
| 03:22.11 | Xenguy | !beer everyone |
| 03:22.12 | abrotman | markybob: ##c ? .. ewww |
| 03:22.15 | rahul | markybob: why do you need to do it in C? |
| 03:22.25 | abrotman | rahul: it is . but it's the worst liquid gold |
| 03:22.29 | rahul | heh |
| 03:22.30 | abrotman | erm. not hte worst |
| 03:22.37 | markybob | rahul, because that's how php extensions are made. certain things you cant pick and choose :) |
| 03:22.43 | rahul | markybob: oh god |
| 03:22.47 | rahul | you didn't even mention php |
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| 03:23.00 | markybob | rahul, extension for php written in c. |
| 03:23.06 | rahul | see, you're going to drive me to drink if you talk about this |
| 03:23.11 | Smoked1 | Anyone got anything on my FTP question? |
| 03:23.18 | rahul | so I can blame you. |
| 03:23.21 | Xenguy | rahul: you've finished those 2 already?! |
| 03:23.27 | markybob | rahul, i've already started drinking and this thing has been fucking me up the ass for months |
| 03:23.34 | rahul | heh |
| 03:23.47 | markybob | Smoked1, use a real ftp daemon? vsftpd? |
| 03:23.54 | rahul | markybob: you need to be really drunk if that's all you need to relieve that kind of pain |
| 03:24.01 | Smoked1 | im using pure-ftpd |
| 03:24.03 | Xenguy | Smoked1: I have a vague recollection of a 4Gb file limit - but can't remember details. Are you running an old kernel or something? |
| 03:24.03 | rahul | markybob: you're supposed to use lube, man |
| 03:24.10 | markybob | Smoked1, that's what i said, use vsftpd |
| 03:24.16 | markybob | rahul, i knew i forgot something! |
| 03:24.20 | rahul | heh |
| 03:24.29 | Smoked1 | it's the latest kernel |
| 03:24.36 | Smoked1 | from debian anyways |
| 03:24.41 | Xenguy | Smoked1: scratch that idea |
| 03:24.41 | rahul | just in case you need something extra |
| 03:24.46 | rahul | anyway, off to shower |
| 03:25.29 | markybob | Smoked1, really, use vsftpd. it's good enough for kernel.org, suse.org, debian.org, openbsd.org, redhat.org, etc. |
| 03:25.43 | Xenguy | Smoked1: vsftpd is best |
| 03:25.49 | markybob | oh, yeah, gnu.org |
| 03:25.55 | Smoked1 | I'll check it out |
| 03:27.05 | dnanar_ | anyone may help me please ? |
| 03:27.35 | abrotman | dnanar_: i think i just answered oyu on the other server :) |
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| 03:28.20 | markybob | abrotman, so there's no need for me to call !ask ...yay :) |
| 03:28.28 | abrotman | dnanar_: and it seems feh has an option for that |
| 03:28.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:28.53 | abrotman | mmmm .. beer |
| 03:29.03 | markybob | abrotman, i've got plenty, buddy. come on over |
| 03:29.18 | abrotman | i've had mine :) |
| 03:29.37 | abrotman | now i'm watching about the history of the flying wing! |
| 03:29.48 | markybob | abrotman, i thought it was black history month? |
| 03:29.50 | markybob | ha! ;) |
| 03:30.00 | abrotman | markybob: B2 is on now |
| 03:30.23 | Xenguy | "Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life." -- George Bernard Shaw |
| 03:30.33 | abrotman | amen! |
| 03:30.47 | markybob | abrotman, i honestly dont get why there's no brazilian month or british/cracker month. |
| 03:31.01 | abrotman | markybob: wrong planet |
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| 03:31.17 | markybob | abrotman, my bad. thankfully google's working on that intraplanetary protocol |
| 03:31.43 | Quintin | would my comp be noticeably faster with SATA sw raid 0? |
| 03:32.08 | markybob | Quintin, probably not. the 'sw' part kind of offsets the benefits |
| 03:32.19 | Quintin | hw? |
| 03:32.24 | markybob | Quintin, then yes |
| 03:32.34 | Quintin | for realz?! I might do that |
| 03:34.08 | abrotman | markybob: google is wise .. google is good :) |
| 03:34.23 | abrotman | Quintin: RAID0 isn't RAID |
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| 03:35.04 | markybob | abrotman, he didnt ask about redundancy. he asked about performance |
| 03:35.07 | markybob | "RAID 0 should really be called "AID", since it involves no redundancy. Files are broken into stripes of a size dictated by the user-defined stripe size of the array, and stripes are sent to each disk in the array. Giving up redundancy allows this RAID level the best overall performance characteristics of the single RAID levels, especially for its cost. For this reason, it is becoming increasingly popular by performance-seekers, e |
| 03:35.07 | markybob | specially in the lower end of the marketplace." |
| 03:35.48 | Quintin | sure it is |
| 03:35.55 | markybob | abrotman, so, i agree, but not really for what he asked ;) |
| 03:35.56 | Quintin | 'redundant' in that there are more disks that are the same |
| 03:36.27 | Quintin | I'm just wondering about a snappier desktop... I can rsync the stuff to another disk or box on my network daily. |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | Quintin: RAID0 has absolutely .. ZERO possibility of recovering from a failed disk |
| 03:37.07 | Quintin | abrotman: I know.. see above.. ;) |
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| 03:43.03 | Smoked1 | I did a apt-get remove pure-ftpd but it's still installed and running. Am I missing something here? |
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| 03:44.05 | markybob | Smoked1, just apt-get install vsftpd. it'll remove conflicting packages if there are any |
| 03:44.23 | Smoked1 | oh ok. Thanks |
| 03:44.27 | magyar | in kde, when i read a mail with multiple html links, if i try to open the second link, i get an error saying "iceweasel is already running, close it or restart". it used to just open another tab, is there a way to fix this error ? |
| 03:45.41 | stoned | abrotman: hey check out my site again I think I did a damn good job on the colors. :D |
| 03:45.48 | abrotman | URL |
| 03:46.27 | markybob | stoned.is.dreaming.com ? i cant remember |
| 03:46.27 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 03:46.30 | Smoked1 | Anything that I should know about vsftpd before I start configuring it? I assume that there is a config file in /etc? |
| 03:46.31 | markybob | org! |
| 03:46.34 | Quintin | How would I disable an audio device? Prevent the module from loading maybe? |
| 03:46.39 | stoned | man I am love with the colors |
| 03:46.44 | stoned | gimp and png are the shit |
| 03:46.56 | stew | Quintin: yes or delve into the mystery that is .asoundrc |
| 03:47.14 | Quintin | where does one disable modules? |
| 03:47.16 | markybob | stoned, latin really necessary? :) |
| 03:47.22 | Quintin | stoned: http://ebsf.mine.nu/ did you look? |
| 03:47.32 | stoned | markybob: just bullshit text man just to see |
| 03:47.33 | Smoked1 | I always founf gimp to be a pain. I still have to use windows for photoshop. |
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| 03:47.42 | stew | Quintin: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 03:47.51 | stew | Quintin: make sure it isn't in /etc/modules |
| 03:48.01 | stoned | whats this |
| 03:48.31 | Avochelm | stoned, you need more buttons on the bottom. you're not cool enough yet |
| 03:49.39 | stoned | Avochelm: i know |
| 03:49.42 | abrotman | stoned: the submenus went away |
| 03:49.53 | stoned | abrotman: yeah, i'm slowly learning better degisn |
| 03:49.55 | stoned | design* |
| 03:49.57 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:49.58 | Avochelm | :) |
| 03:50.30 | stoned | but I love buttons |
| 03:50.40 | Quintin | stoned: what is your link again? stoned.somethingsomething |
| 03:50.43 | stoned | I got buttons everywhere on jackets, in my car, on my walls |
| 03:51.37 | stoned | !stoned |
| 03:51.44 | Avochelm | stoned, are you sure your not stuck in the hippie era? |
| 03:51.54 | Xenguy | Quintin: stoned.dont.boggart |
| 03:52.00 | stoned | It doesn't matter |
| 03:52.03 | stoned | Xenguy: /me passes |
| 03:52.18 | stoned | Avochelm: I got buttons on all my hats too |
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| 03:53.04 | Avochelm | naturally |
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| 03:53.37 | stoned | but the buttons at the bottom reall mean that I support all the buttons I have |
| 03:53.57 | stoned | do I support them in any other way than saying, hey great job, alrigh! ? no. |
| 03:54.09 | bintut | what's a good cd audio and mp3 player that you can recommend for gnome? |
| 03:54.17 | abrotman | quod libet |
| 03:54.19 | stoned | beep media player |
| 03:54.33 | Xenguy | dewey decimal system |
| 03:54.35 | Smoked1 | Xenguy: vsftpd seems like a great ftp deamon but it did not fix my problem |
| 03:54.45 | stoned | vsftpd is great |
| 03:54.49 | Xenguy | Smoked1: something about file size then? |
| 03:55.07 | Smoked1 | Yeah it has to be. |
| 03:55.23 | Smoked1 | The file does not even show up in my client |
| 03:55.28 | Xenguy | Is there a 4 Gb file size limit in linux somewhere then? |
| 03:55.42 | Xenguy | or am I just starting an ugly rumour ;-) |
| 03:55.44 | Xenguy | ? |
| 03:55.56 | Smoked1 | I ran ulimit -a and it shows unlimited for file sizes |
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| 03:56.17 | JoshJ | Well, that's annoying. |
| 03:56.25 | JoshJ | I got it to install fine, but it won't make the first boot |
| 03:56.48 | Smoked1 | Maybe I will just use SCP but I would still like to know why this happens |
| 03:56.51 | JoshJ | It hangs when trying to deal with the various USB ports on my computer |
| 03:56.58 | JoshJ | Is this a known problem? |
| 03:57.26 | abrotman | it being ? |
| 03:57.49 | JoshJ | something like "usb.c device ##### assigned address 3" *wait a moment* error: address refused (-101) |
| 03:58.04 | JoshJ | i only have one computer so i can't look it up on there and chat here |
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| 03:58.21 | JoshJ | it repeats nonstop |
| 03:58.26 | JoshJ | sometimes address 2, sometimes address 3 |
| 03:58.40 | stoned | it |
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| 03:59.08 | JoshJ | ? |
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| 03:59.38 | stoned | it is one of the words the former knights of Nee cannot bear to hear |
| 04:01.34 | rahul | damn penices. |
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| 04:01.55 | abrotman | pencils ? |
| 04:01.58 | stoned | you know rahul it makes me wonde |
| 04:02.06 | rahul | hah |
| 04:02.08 | stoned | you're obsessed with the cock |
| 04:02.10 | rahul | abrotman: good idea |
| 04:02.11 | stoned | you love it |
| 04:02.19 | rahul | yeah, I love my cock |
| 04:02.28 | Xenguy | stoned: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar =) |
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| 04:02.30 | rahul | I would give my left nut to keep my cock |
| 04:02.30 | stoned | you're always penixstrikin people and talking about yoru balls and penises all the time |
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| 04:02.40 | stoned | its like a really really bad jay from the jay & silent bob |
| 04:02.46 | rahul | heh |
| 04:02.52 | stoned | im just saying man, its kinda not funny |
| 04:02.53 | abrotman | rahul: go to the bar! |
| 04:03.01 | rahul | yeah, I'm geting dressed |
| 04:03.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 04:03.05 | rahul | oh gotta take my pra |
| 04:03.07 | rahul | pda |
| 04:03.12 | rahul | not bra, you wierdos |
| 04:03.37 | abrotman | !karstensmite rahul |
| 04:03.39 | Xenguy | rahul: you need your arm - take it with you |
| 04:03.42 | abrotman | :( |
| 04:03.47 | rahul | heh |
| 04:03.51 | JoshJ | meh |
| 04:03.52 | rahul | oh, and I love anti-thongs, too |
| 04:03.58 | JoshJ | i'm going to try another install i guess |
| 04:04.00 | rahul | on girls' asses |
| 04:04.04 | JoshJ | if not i'm going to have to go back to ubuntu :( |
| 04:04.06 | stoned | dude |
| 04:04.13 | rahul | and boobies! BOOBIES |
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| 04:04.37 | stoned | tokery in Urdu meanks basket. |
| 04:04.46 | stoned | means* |
| 04:04.55 | Xenguy | JoshJ: gnusense :-) |
| 04:05.00 | JoshJ | Xenguy, i'd rather not |
| 04:05.08 | JoshJ | seems silly to me to run a distro based on a distro based on debian |
| 04:05.08 | rahul | stoned: indeed |
| 04:05.09 | Xenguy | JoshJ: picky picky :-) |
| 04:05.11 | geo-rge | JoshJ: then do it :) debian makes it easy: all the free stuff is in main, nothing not free in main |
| 04:05.14 | JoshJ | when i can just run debian ;\ |
| 04:05.16 | Quintin | anti-thong? |
| 04:05.22 | JoshJ | geo-rge,i'm aware, that's why i'm trying to get debian to work |
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| 04:05.25 | Quintin | ubuntu is an ancient african word |
| 04:05.28 | Quintin | it has many meanings |
| 04:05.33 | rahul | maybe I'm just messed up from all the hot girls who are not my type being after me |
| 04:05.37 | Quintin | one intrepration is "cannot comprehend debian" |
| 04:05.39 | JoshJ | quintin: including "i can't install debian"? |
| 04:05.41 | geo-rge | JoshJ: why doesn't it work? |
| 04:05.56 | JoshJ | geo-rge, like i said earlier, it's hanging on the usb device recognition |
| 04:06.00 | JoshJ | hangs with nothing in the ports, too |
| 04:06.06 | geo-rge | you have unsupported or questionably supported hardware? |
| 04:06.07 | JoshJ | so i dunno what the problem is, exactly |
| 04:06.13 | geo-rge | ok |
| 04:06.27 | JoshJ | they're standard usb ports... my wifi card is probably not supported, but i don't care about wireless so ;[ |
| 04:06.33 | Quintin | JoshJ: what version? what kernel? tried noapic acpi=off blah blah? |
| 04:06.33 | geo-rge | what are some of the other oses you've had installed on the same hw? |
| 04:06.41 | JoshJ | geo-rge, ubuntu 6.06 and 6.10 |
| 04:06.46 | JoshJ | and obv windows xp that came with it |
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| 04:06.47 | geo-rge | also, what does usb have to do with installation? |
| 04:06.55 | JoshJ | geo-rge, it installed fine, the first boot won't work |
| 04:07.06 | geo-rge | which boot loader? |
| 04:07.09 | JoshJ | grub |
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| 04:07.23 | JoshJ | the default 3.1r5 sarge install for x86 |
| 04:07.32 | JoshJ | i didn't do anything fancy |
| 04:07.39 | geo-rge | ok, what happens when you try to boot? (also, did you try booting the other os inbetween?) |
| 04:07.55 | JoshJ | you know that wall of text it gives, right? |
| 04:08.08 | JoshJ | partway through there's a part where it detects USB stuff (usb.c) |
| 04:08.13 | JoshJ | and it sits there looping |
| 04:08.16 | geo-rge | oh, ok |
| 04:08.30 | JoshJ | it tries to assign the usb device an address |
| 04:08.41 | JoshJ | and it comes back with "refused" or "denied" (i forget which) and error(-101) |
| 04:08.46 | geo-rge | what is connected to your usb ports? |
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| 04:09.14 | JoshJ | a usb printer (HP), a usb mouse, and a usb thumbdrive, all of which "just worked" in ubuntu, but i also tried it with nothing in the ports and the same problem |
| 04:09.32 | geo-rge | well the difference is probably the kernel |
| 04:09.36 | JoshJ | presumably |
| 04:09.48 | JoshJ | i'd go ahead and guess that ubuntu has a newer kernel than sarge |
| 04:10.00 | geo-rge | I wonder if you can use ubuntu installer and hand it debian sources |
| 04:10.16 | JoshJ | that sounds like a quick route to a broken system :p |
| 04:10.20 | stoned | why would you do that |
| 04:10.28 | geo-rge | (everyone here is gonna yell at me now :P but it's worth a shot) |
| 04:10.35 | abrotman | no |
| 04:10.46 | JoshJ | bleh. i guess i'll need to download a debian testing image and do things that way :\ |
| 04:10.47 | geo-rge | see? it's starting |
| 04:11.03 | geo-rge | that might be a better approach, yeah |
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| 04:11.29 | geo-rge | are you installing onto the usb storage at all? or from it? |
| 04:11.33 | JoshJ | no |
| 04:11.40 | geo-rge | ok |
| 04:11.42 | JoshJ | did put some files on it from my old ubuntu install's home dir |
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| 04:12.05 | JoshJ | namely, my firefox bookmarks and a few personal files + images |
| 04:12.23 | geo-rge | note that the permisions on those might be lost if the usb is formatted with fat or like that |
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| 04:12.30 | stoned | well you got two gigs of space at gmail and like 100 invites |
| 04:12.33 | JoshJ | yeah, i wouldn't be surprised |
| 04:12.36 | JoshJ | stoned, lol |
| 04:12.37 | duder | what's the name of the package with basic packages for building things? |
| 04:12.40 | stoned | thats like 200GB of storage |
| 04:12.41 | duder | like gcc and libs |
| 04:12.46 | abrotman | !b-e duder |
| 04:12.46 | dpkg | duder: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 04:12.56 | duder | build-essential!! thank you |
| 04:13.00 | stoned | store important documents and stuff elsewhere |
| 04:13.03 | JoshJ | do i want the weekly testing build? |
| 04:13.09 | insulina | hello, does anyone know a good GUI for apt-get , that is not to heavy ?? |
| 04:13.10 | geo-rge | that would include at least... binutils, gcc, make |
| 04:13.18 | JoshJ | or do i want the RC1? |
| 04:13.18 | stoned | JoshJ: ye |
| 04:13.22 | stoned | weekly |
| 04:13.22 | geo-rge | and -a few- libs |
| 04:13.30 | abrotman | insulina: synaptic |
| 04:13.41 | geo-rge | good and gooey |
| 04:13.48 | JoshJ | i'll assume i want CD-1.iso ? |
| 04:13.56 | geo-rge | or netinstall |
| 04:13.56 | stoned | JoshJ: what about netinstall? |
| 04:14.02 | JoshJ | where's the testing netinstall cd? |
| 04:14.09 | stoned | !d-i |
| 04:14.09 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 04:14.11 | geo-rge | I guess cd1 has build tools |
| 04:14.25 | abrotman | geo-rge!! |
| 04:14.31 | insulina | thanks |
| 04:14.40 | geo-rge | abrotman!! |
| 04:14.41 | stoned | Thumbalina |
| 04:14.44 | JoshJ | oh, durr |
| 04:14.44 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:14.49 | JoshJ | the header about sarge had me mixed up |
| 04:14.57 | JoshJ | i was on the right page, wrong row |
| 04:15.02 | rahul | BAR TIME |
| 04:15.05 | JoshJ | the debian site is a bit of a mess :p |
| 04:15.16 | stoned | JoshJ: not really |
| 04:16.01 | geo-rge | JoshJ: not sure, but if you find both, I guess you could pick either... and better if you use jigdo to get the images |
| 04:16.19 | geo-rge | debian still use that currently? |
| 04:16.42 | JoshJ | i don't think there's a jigdo thing for testing |
| 04:16.46 | JoshJ | at least, not on that page |
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| 04:17.24 | JoshJ | i'm ok with the semi-slow download |
| 04:17.38 | geo-rge | the thing is it makes better sense to use jigdo for testing since it changes a bit more often... the idea behind, is you rejigdo and it's supposed to update your image |
| 04:17.55 | JoshJ | er... |
| 04:18.06 | JoshJ | this should be a "burn once, install, forget" cd for me |
| 04:18.14 | JoshJ | and i can update without the cd later on with apt-get |
| 04:18.24 | geo-rge | wellthen... I'd consider cd1 |
| 04:18.54 | geo-rge | especially if it has all of build-essential on it |
| 04:19.28 | geo-rge | do any of the packages cds function like a netinst? |
| 04:19.40 | geo-rge | used to be, cd1 did, that still true? |
| 04:20.03 | JoshJ | geo-rge, you're asking the wrong person. i've been an ubuntu person since last summer, and finally got tired of the non-free software in it, etc |
| 04:20.18 | geo-rge | if not, I'll have to take back my recommend for cd1, choosing the netinst instead |
| 04:20.29 | JoshJ | yeah, i'm halfway through the netinst download |
| 04:20.36 | JoshJ | probably going to have to go to sleep and install it tomorrow though :( |
| 04:20.39 | geo-rge | well I'm asking anyone who can/wants to answer :) |
| 04:20.43 | JoshJ | :p |
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| 04:21.08 | geo-rge | but no one is, I guess that's par for the course |
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| 04:21.42 | geo-rge | so you'll either have to make your best guess or else look at the web site |
| 04:21.57 | JoshJ | or just download netinst and be done with it :p |
| 04:22.11 | geo-rge | right, hopefully that's the best guess :) |
| 04:22.26 | JoshJ | if this doesn't work i'll have to go try gentoo or something ;[ |
| 04:22.49 | geo-rge | you -could- make a debian chroot on your ubuntu |
| 04:23.02 | geo-rge | then the installer won |
| 04:23.04 | JoshJ | the ubuntu that got wiped out by the debian installer? |
| 04:23.08 | geo-rge | 't be involved at all |
| 04:23.31 | JoshJ | the install was successful, which annoys me. if it doesn't work, the install should fail dammit >:[ |
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| 04:23.41 | geo-rge | well hey... what's a debian installer to think it should do? :) |
| 04:24.07 | JoshJ | i dunno, check to see if it works or something instead of hanging on reboot |
| 04:24.48 | geo-rge | "I warned him... at least twice... now I'll do as he asked and do all the formatting/partitioning/copying and then try to reboot" :) |
| 04:25.08 | JoshJ | ? |
| 04:25.26 | geo-rge | lilo does do some kind of testing, dunno what grub does... and I dunno what the test it does is |
| 04:25.34 | JoshJ | i hope that's sarcasm, because i definitely didn't get any warnings about the USB devices |
| 04:25.53 | geo-rge | but you might have gotten warnings to back up your hd |
| 04:25.59 | JoshJ | ah, yes |
| 04:26.11 | JoshJ | the stuff i wanted to keep are on my thumbdrive :p |
| 04:26.12 | geo-rge | be that as it may, you still have all your choices |
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| 04:27.43 | geo-rge | what kernel did you have under ubuntu |
| 04:28.07 | JoshJ | i *think* it was 2.6.17.something |
| 04:28.11 | JoshJ | i know it was 2.6.something |
| 04:28.24 | Guerin | !think |
| 04:28.25 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 04:28.28 | JoshJ | heh |
| 04:28.50 | JoshJ | i know i was using whatever was on the dapper install, the edgy install, and the most recent edgy kernel |
| 04:28.58 | geo-rge | Guerin, it's erased... there's no more knowing possible on that particular point |
| 04:29.11 | JoshJ | what kernel does sarge use? |
| 04:29.19 | Guerin | geo-rge: sure there is, just ask the #ubuntards what kernel was in whichever release |
| 04:29.21 | geo-rge | 2.6.8 |
| 04:29.30 | Guerin | since they're all releases, it's not like debian's moving kernels |
| 04:29.35 | JoshJ | yeah, that's definitely a lot older than what i had on ubuntu |
| 04:29.56 | geo-rge | JoshJ: Guerin's comment is valid if you didn't replace your kernel after install |
| 04:30.07 | Guerin | JoshJ: if you need sarge with a newer kernel, /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 04:30.13 | Guerin | otherwise use etch |
| 04:30.27 | JoshJ | Guerin, i don't care about sarge/etch/whatever, i'm probably going to upgrade to unstable |
| 04:30.32 | JoshJ | i just want a working install to begin with :p |
| 04:30.34 | geo-rge | Guerin: he picked latter and netinstall for same |
| 04:31.08 | geo-rge | what would we have all done if we were at Linus' point in 1991... |
| 04:31.23 | JoshJ | linux from scratch? :p |
| 04:31.32 | JoshJ | only, unlike modern LFS, it was REALLY from scratch |
| 04:31.41 | geo-rge | at that point that's what it was |
| 04:32.00 | JoshJ | oh, given a lot of time, i'd like to make a LFS system just for the hell of it |
| 04:32.06 | geo-rge | distributions were nonexistant... since linux was up to that year nonexistant too |
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| 04:34.44 | Guerin | !bless JoshJ |
| 04:34.45 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child JoshJ, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:34.53 | JoshJ | er |
| 04:35.12 | JoshJ | all i'm going to do tomorrow is install the latest weekly build of testing >_> |
| 04:35.22 | JoshJ | heck, i've already got the partitions set up from that sarge install |
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| 04:35.39 | Guerin | JoshJ: what are you going to do with the other 23.5 hours? |
| 04:35.45 | JoshJ | er |
| 04:35.49 | JoshJ | that was phrased terribly :p |
| 04:36.00 | JoshJ | swap "is" and "tomorrow" |
| 04:36.02 | Guerin | if you want a real challenge, google for an old sid snapshot and try to install that ;) |
| 04:36.10 | JoshJ | lol |
| 04:36.18 | JoshJ | the challenge is apparently not in the install |
| 04:36.20 | JoshJ | but in the first boot |
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| 04:37.32 | JoshJ | but i needed to do a fresh install anyway, my prior system setup was the generic ubuntu noob dual boot setup |
| 04:37.43 | JoshJ | i took the time to make a separate /home partition this time :p |
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| 04:38.04 | geo-rge | yeah, that's handy |
| 04:38.16 | JoshJ | though, i do want to know one thing- why the hell did the default partition size estimator go "7 gigs / , 40 gigs /home" ? |
| 04:38.29 | Guerin | JoshJ: perfectly reasonable |
| 04:38.33 | JoshJ | i kinda think i'd want more than 7 gigs for all the apps >_> |
| 04:38.38 | geo-rge | no idea, I always build my own setup |
| 04:38.40 | Guerin | JoshJ: hell no. |
| 04:39.07 | geo-rge | well, it depends on the use of the machine tho, doesn't it? |
| 04:39.13 | JoshJ | my proportions were definitely the other way around when i used ubuntu |
| 04:39.41 | JoshJ | and i can't see debian being much differently, especially since i decided to delete my collection of *ahem* acquired super nintendo games |
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| 04:40.22 | geo-rge | I did tend to make the /home larger... but I have 100g in an lvm pv/vg and most of that is free |
| 04:40.32 | JoshJ | i just went 30/20 |
| 04:40.34 | geo-rge | I'm probably using 25gb right now |
| 04:40.57 | JoshJ | of course i still have the xp install which is using up WAY more space than it really should, even though i've deleted basically everything on it >:[ |
| 04:41.01 | geo-rge | I can add to that on the fly, and I'm cool with that :) |
| 04:41.09 | JoshJ | there's no reason for a completely minimalist install of xp to be over 20 gigs :( |
| 04:41.12 | Guerin | JoshJ: if you have a bunch of media in / someplace, then sure |
| 04:41.36 | Guerin | JoshJ: but once you exclude /home and /media/data* on my box, you're left with ~2.5G |
| 04:41.55 | JoshJ | Guerin, i put that stuff in ~ (usually in subfolders on my desktop) but I don't keep a ton of movies, documents, or other stuff |
| 04:41.57 | geo-rge | if this is going to be a server, you'll want to split into more partitions... |
| 04:42.09 | JoshJ | i do, however, tend to install a ton of apps |
| 04:42.21 | JoshJ | geo-rge, nope, one-person laptop :) |
| 04:42.25 | Guerin | yeh, i put all my media on separate drives, mounted as /media/data[012] |
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| 04:43.15 | Guerin | then export them over NFS for great justice |
| 04:43.33 | Quintin | geo-rge: pv/vg ? |
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| 04:43.41 | geo-rge | lvm stuff |
| 04:43.47 | madd_matt | I use my own /share/{mediatype}/ setup for my media. Served via ftp/http/cifs/ntp |
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| 04:43.53 | madd_matt | ie, /share/music |
| 04:44.15 | madd_matt | *eg /share/music -- i get irritated when others get it mixed up, i'll do it right ;) |
| 04:44.30 | Quintin | Guerin: 12 physical drives? |
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| 04:44.42 | Guerin | Quintin: no, three. |
| 04:44.53 | JoshJ | lol |
| 04:45.00 | Quintin | madd_matt: er, network time protocol? ... you are just using TLA to try and be cool now. |
| 04:45.11 | iratsu | does base-config take care of setting up the keyboard? |
| 04:45.22 | geo-rge | Quintin: I haven't yet done an lvm setup with more than one physical vol in a vol group, or even more than one vg on a system |
| 04:45.25 | Guerin | i did have six in here at one point - no raid, either - but two and a dvd burner died in a powersurge |
| 04:45.29 | madd_matt | Quintin, oops, NFS :$ -- i'm configuring an ntp server right now too, must be thinking things ;) |
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| 04:45.38 | Quintin | Guerin: lose any data? |
| 04:46.02 | Guerin | Quintin: nothing I didn't have backed up, i was just setting the thing up |
| 04:46.13 | Guerin | to this day my second ide channel is a bit duicky |
| 04:46.33 | Quintin | IDE = sux |
| 04:46.42 | Guerin | IDE=good enough and cheap |
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| 04:46.55 | Quintin | I only have 1 IDE on my mobo. sadness |
| 04:47.09 | Guerin | i suppose one day sata will be ubiquitous, but until then, IDE works |
| 04:47.11 | Quintin | I'm gonna get an addin card I think. it's like IDE, SATA, USB, 1394 all in one |
| 04:47.22 | Quintin | $50 at newegg |
| 04:47.44 | dongs | "kernel: Out of socket memory" how to fix? my tcp-related sysctls are at http://rafb.net/p/sTGpbd20.html |
| 04:47.46 | Quintin | myspace is so great <3 |
| 04:47.58 | Guerin | !pal Quintin |
| 04:48.20 | Quintin | all the hot 17 yo girls. :-S |
| 04:48.22 | g333k_laptop | why do I see weird characters in text files in linux? |
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| 04:48.40 | Quintin | g333k_laptop: 'file myfile' |
| 04:48.45 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: because they were written in a character set other than the one you're viewing it in |
| 04:48.46 | JoshJ | g333k_laptop,were the text files made in windows? |
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| 04:49.07 | Guerin | you can use a good tool called `demoroniser' to fix most of that |
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| 04:49.24 | timthelion | um, fuser shows a whole ton of pids for a file that is acting oddly(saying it has been modified when I didn't modify it) |
| 04:49.25 | Quintin | Guerin: love the name. |
| 04:49.30 | Guerin | yep |
| 04:49.34 | timthelion | how can I get info on those pids? |
| 04:49.47 | g333k_laptop | JoshH, I think yes.... I downloaded them... btw they are subtitles files |
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| 04:49.58 | Guerin | timthelion: other than ps? Not much. |
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| 04:50.15 | JoshJ | g333k_laptop, yeah, windows uses a different character for linebreaks |
| 04:50.18 | g333k_laptop | Guerin, JoshH, the output of file command is: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators |
| 04:50.25 | JoshJ | yep |
| 04:50.26 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: most subtitle engines have the ability to display all manner of retarded formats, don't sweat it |
| 04:50.40 | Guerin | g333k_laptop: in other words `retarded windows text file' |
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| 04:50.42 | g333k_laptop | JoshJ, So I have to convert them to what format? |
| 04:50.46 | JoshJ | CRLF is the windows linebreak format- "Carriage Return and Line Feed" |
| 04:50.48 | Quintin | g333k_laptop: or 'stupid dos textfile' |
| 04:51.01 | Quintin | g333k_laptop: apt-get install dos2unix. or use a perl one liner |
| 04:51.05 | JoshJ | you simply need to convert it to a linux-style text file which uses sane linebreaks |
| 04:51.26 | JoshJ | what Quintin said :) |
| 04:51.40 | Quintin | !win quintin |
| 04:51.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, quintin! You have won the US presidency! |
| 04:51.56 | timthelion | Help, I'm either using fuser wrong(I hope) or I've got a serios problem! |
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| 04:52.09 | timthelion | I am doing fuser -m file |
| 04:52.29 | dongs | anyone |
| 04:52.30 | dongs | "kernel: Out of socket memory" how to fix? my tcp-related sysctls are at http://rafb.net/p/sTGpbd20.html |
| 04:52.35 | Guerin | timthelion: when in doubt, plug it out |
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| 04:52.45 | Guerin | dongs: don't repeat |
| 04:52.59 | dongs | Guerin: then answer the question |
| 04:53.02 | karsten | So, I'm trying to create a data stream that's an ar archive. ar appears to somewhat arbitrarially seperate files by whitespace or not. |
| 04:53.08 | karsten | Suggestions? |
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| 04:53.27 | Quintin | karsten: tar? |
| 04:53.29 | timthelion | Guerin: I don't understand the man page for fuser |
| 04:53.35 | Guerin | dongs: if I could, I would |
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| 04:53.45 | karsten | Quintin: I'm creating the stream in a shell script. |
| 04:53.50 | timthelion | Guerin: so I don't know how to tell if I am doing the right thing |
| 04:54.10 | karsten | Quintin: tool to run tests on a bunch of hosts, return output, I'd like to seperate output into files. A simple packaging format is a Good Thing. |
| 04:54.21 | JoshJ | timthelion, if your system explodes, you did the wrong thing |
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| 04:54.24 | Guerin | timthelion: what i mean is, if you think you're pwned, plug the box out of the network, go and get a beer, and take your time |
| 04:54.28 | JoshJ | telling that you did the right thing is a lot harder :p |
| 04:54.31 | karsten | Quintin: So tar's a bit too complex I suspect. A perl recipie to create an ar string would be good. |
| 04:55.12 | timthelion | Guerin: I don't know, and disconnecting the network won't help, I mean I can't do anything without your help |
| 04:55.26 | Guerin | timthelion: you only have ONE computer? |
| 04:55.30 | Quintin | !pwn timthelion |
| 04:55.38 | Guerin | WTF sort of sicko are you! |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:55.43 | Guerin | 1 |
| 04:55.51 | Quintin | I have like eight. |
| 04:55.55 | JoshJ | Guerin, only one computer makes sense for quite a lot of people |
| 04:55.56 | Quintin | *per room*. |
| 04:56.05 | Quintin | ... |
| 04:56.08 | Guerin | JoshJ: dict sarcasm |
| 04:56.33 | karsten | ... per room ;-) |
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| 04:56.38 | Guerin | i have two, but one is my wife's. Plus one in texas. Plus two in parts on the floor right now. |
| 04:56.42 | JoshJ | karsten, nanobots don't count :p |
| 04:57.01 | karsten | JoshJ: *Fembots*, thankyewverymuch. |
| 04:57.04 | Quintin | Guerin: you're married? what's it like? what is one doing in texas? |
| 04:57.25 | JoshJ | wall to wall fembots? i must say, that sounds like quite the decor ;) |
| 04:57.33 | P_Kable | abo-164-252-68.guy.modulonet.fr |
| 04:57.33 | Guerin | Quintin: one is a server in a big climate-controlled room someplace |
| 04:57.50 | Guerin | Quintin: being married is awesome - if you're married to the right person. Which I am. |
| 04:58.04 | JoshJ | i've got one computer here at college, and my family has 3 at the house :| |
| 04:58.12 | Guerin | i hear if you marry the wrong person, it's living hell, and then after divorce the real badness starts |
| 04:58.16 | geo-rge | the left person said no, huh? :) |
| 04:58.26 | g333k_laptop | Quintin, I used dos2unix with the file but I still see the accented vocals like # characters |
| 04:58.31 | Quintin | Guerin: how long you been married? How do you know if it's the wrong person? what OS your wife run? |
| 04:58.37 | karsten | ... to get confused. |
| 04:58.43 | Guerin | heh |
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| 04:58.46 | karsten | Quintin: WifeOS, of course. |
| 04:59.04 | lolo2332 | can't initialize iptables table `nat': Permission denied (you must be root) -- anyone know why i get this and im useing root |
| 04:59.08 | Skept | hi can i change the background color of shell from black to some other color? |
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| 04:59.20 | Guerin | Quintin: together since 1995, married since '00. Deb runs (appropriately) debian. |
| 04:59.23 | karsten | Skept: Refer to your terminal docs. |
| 04:59.31 | geo-rge | lolo2332: probably it's right about you not being root... |
| 04:59.32 | JoshJ | Skept, you talking about the gnome-terminal, or a tty? |
| 04:59.38 | Skept | a tty |
| 04:59.42 | geo-rge | so you'll have to tell us more details |
| 04:59.45 | Guerin | Quintin: i can't answer that other question, It's been so long since I found a wrong person. |
| 04:59.45 | karsten | Guerin: So is debgue a future Debian derivative? |
| 04:59.46 | lolo2332 | it says root@..... |
| 04:59.53 | geo-rge | whoami |
| 05:00.03 | Guerin | karsten: Debgueoutful |
| 05:00.11 | Quintin | Guerin: does she admin the box? |
| 05:00.29 | Guerin | Quintin: it don't take a hell of a lot of admin, it's an etch box on a thinkpad. |
| 05:00.34 | geo-rge | root@guerin.org? :) |
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| 05:00.53 | Guerin | but yeah, she's mostly too proud to ask for help, so I wouldn't know if there was anything wrong |
| 05:01.09 | Guerin | she did get me to set up the suspend2 stuff |
| 05:01.21 | karsten | Quintin: S |
| 05:01.22 | Guerin | geo-rge: guerin.org was taken long ago, and not by me |
| 05:01.24 | Guerin | sadly |
| 05:01.39 | karsten | Quintin: She admins the box, of course ... |
| 05:01.43 | Quintin | does she do computer stuffs? or does she use linux cause you do? |
| 05:01.46 | karsten | Quintin: ... but Guerin has root access. |
| 05:01.50 | lolo2332 | geo-rge: root |
| 05:02.10 | Quintin | karsten: :-D |
| 05:02.13 | Guerin | Quintin: what do you mean `do computer stuffs'? |
| 05:02.15 | g333k_laptop | JoshJ, Quintin, I used dos2unix with the file but I still see the accented vocals like # characters |
| 05:02.26 | JoshJ | g333k_laptop, it's possible that you're stuck with that |
| 05:02.28 | Guerin | Quintin: she uses debian by choice, if that's what you mean. |
| 05:02.33 | Quintin | Guerin: like for work. there are not many linux using chicks that I know |
| 05:02.35 | JoshJ | alternatively, try the demoroniser that someone else suggested |
| 05:02.47 | geo-rge | lolo2332: explain the whole situation |
| 05:02.48 | Quintin | !demoroniser |
| 05:02.48 | dpkg | methinks demoroniser is for converting word's annoying little smart-quotes to ASCII. It's at http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ |
| 05:02.50 | g333k_laptop | JoshJ, I remember somebody used another tool in the past |
| 05:02.51 | karsten | g333k_laptop: Probably charset issues. Look at iconv, or a modern variant of the demoronizer |
| 05:02.57 | Guerin | Quintin: she works for a bank, nothing to do with computers. I don't work in any sort of IT either, never have. |
| 05:03.04 | JoshJ | oh, hm |
| 05:03.12 | JoshJ | if that's what demoroniser does, it probably won't help you |
| 05:03.12 | Quintin | Guerin: oh, hm. why are you using debian then? |
| 05:03.23 | g333k_laptop | What's my problem??? I have to convert that file to unicode? |
| 05:03.34 | Guerin | Quintin: because on August 14 2003 I got blaster and though `there has to be a better way' |
| 05:03.36 | g333k_laptop | I used dos2unix |
| 05:03.45 | Guerin | went and downloaded some RMS speeches and it was all over |
| 05:03.46 | karsten | g333k_laptop: _From_ whatever b0rken format it's in. |
| 05:03.46 | JoshJ | you may just have to deal with the ### characters, or do apt-cache search for something |
| 05:03.56 | g333k_laptop | karsten, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators |
| 05:04.01 | Quintin | "and I've been a hippy ever since" |
| 05:04.01 | karsten | g333k_laptop: dos2unix just fixes cr/lf linefeed issues. |
| 05:04.22 | g333k_laptop | karsten, what I want to fix are the spanish characters |
| 05:04.22 | JoshJ | Guerin,wtf, you remember the exact date? |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | Quintin: i fucking hate hippies. I'm a long-term pragmatist and a short-term idealist. |
| 05:04.37 | karsten | g333k_laptop: man iconv |
| 05:04.55 | karsten | Guerin: blaster? |
| 05:04.58 | Guerin | JoshJ: yeah, i have a freakish memory for details. |
| 05:05.04 | Xenguy | there are no hippies you freaks |
| 05:05.04 | Quintin | karsten: windoze worm |
| 05:05.08 | JoshJ | karsten, blaster was a HUGE windows virus back in the day |
| 05:05.08 | Guerin | karsten: the w32 worm. |
| 05:05.11 | karsten | Ah, yeah. |
| 05:05.14 | dongs | "kernel: Out of socket memory" how to fix? my tcp-related sysctls are at http://rafb.net/p/sTGpbd20.html |
| 05:05.24 | karsten | Guerin: I remember hearing about those..... |
| 05:05.30 | karsten | !tell dongs about repeat |
| 05:05.48 | karsten | dongs: GIYF or find a place where people know the answer. Obviously not here. |
| 05:05.51 | Quintin | dongs: #kernel? #networking? |
| 05:05.58 | g333k_laptop | karsten, I want to convert from? to ? |
| 05:06.08 | Xenguy | that was like 40 frickin years ago - why do people go on about hippies in this day and age? |
| 05:06.10 | karsten | g333k_laptop: FIIK. RTFM. Try shit. |
| 05:06.31 | JoshJ | Xenguy, because it's an easy ad hom attack |
| 05:06.34 | Quintin | !wtf giyf |
| 05:06.35 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 05:06.43 | Quintin | !wtf fiik |
| 05:06.43 | JoshJ | don't like an idea? label them hippies or communists |
| 05:06.44 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 05:06.45 | Xenguy | JoshJ: thank you for a rational response :-) |
| 05:07.01 | Quintin | rms = hipommunist |
| 05:07.01 | Guerin | !fiik |
| 05:07.01 | dpkg | it has been said that fiik is Fuck If I Know |
| 05:07.01 | karsten | Quintin: /msg bots |
| 05:07.18 | Guerin | Quintin: bollocks, theren't nothing hippy or communist about RMS. |
| 05:07.30 | Guerin | Quintin: JoshJ is dead on about that. |
| 05:07.41 | JoshJ | I treat "hippies" and "communists" as variants of Godwin's Law |
| 05:07.52 | geo-rge | yes... try shit... if it doesn't work, spit it out! |
| 05:07.56 | Xenguy | Guerin: RMS is a genius, period, end of story ;-) |
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| 05:08.04 | Quintin | on his website he says his personal computer use consists of writing and reading email in emacs, and sometimes coding in it. |
| 05:08.07 | Guerin | most of the time when people call someone a `hippy' they mean `utopianist' |
| 05:08.15 | Guerin | and I hate utopianists |
| 05:08.28 | karsten | Guerin: Y'know ... |
| 05:08.33 | JoshJ | Guerin, the problem is most of the people throwing around labels like that have too small of a vocabulary for words like "utopianist" |
| 05:08.36 | karsten | Guerin: ... if we could only get rid of all of 'em ... |
| 05:08.42 | karsten | Guerin: ... this would be a perfect world. |
| 05:08.44 | JoshJ | XD |
| 05:08.50 | Guerin | so don't call me a hippy, even if I do have an organic garden, like catching my own meat/fish, have long hair and a beard and own practically everything Neil Young ever recorded ;) |
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| 05:09.00 | Guerin | karsten: heh |
| 05:09.01 | stoned | karsten: grumble |
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| 05:09.10 | stoned | yeh |
| 05:09.17 | stoned | don't call me a hippy either cuz i toke |
| 05:09.23 | insulina | anyone knows a good web browser that is not to heavy ?? |
| 05:09.35 | Guerin | JoshJ: i particularly hate simplistic labels because I'm a political scientist working as a media analyst. They're stock in trade on the airwaves. |
| 05:09.40 | stoned | insulina: links2, elinks, lynx, dillo |
| 05:09.41 | JoshJ | insulina, links, lynx, dillo? |
| 05:09.53 | JoshJ | Guerin, do something about the stupid "liberal" vs "conservative" thing |
| 05:09.57 | Xenguy | insulina: links |
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| 05:10.01 | JoshJ | seriously, the 2-axis political scale is >>>>> the 1-axis |
| 05:10.16 | Guerin | JoshJ: yeah, but it's *hard* |
| 05:10.17 | insulina | tx |
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| 05:10.28 | Xenguy | JoshJ: do they represent the corporate agenda? If yes, there is no difference |
| 05:10.30 | madd_matt | insulina, if you want something a little heavier than dillo or links -g, try opera. I find it runs a bit faster than firefox. Not open source though. |
| 05:10.32 | JoshJ | yeah, it's easy for the one side to be throwing around the term "godless liberal" |
| 05:10.51 | JoshJ | i don't see quite as much use of the word "neocon", but it's definitely a problem |
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| 05:11.15 | Guerin | and even it is problematic, because the idea of axes is a bit of a delusion - some thorist (hegel? I foget) conceived of the axis as a horseshoe - as ideologies get further apart, they end up coming closer together. See Stalin + Hitler. |
| 05:11.20 | Xenguy | JoshJ: neocon is a clearly identifiable segment of pychotics |
| 05:11.27 | JoshJ | lol Xenguy |
| 05:11.29 | JoshJ | Guerin, i'd disagree |
| 05:11.31 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 05:11.57 | JoshJ | hitler and stalin may have had different ideologies about government control of the economy |
| 05:12.01 | insulina | madd_matt: tx , but i think opera is too heavy for this ;) ... i setting a 166 ... |
| 05:12.07 | JoshJ | but their ideology about government control of individuals is definitely the same |
| 05:12.19 | Quintin | insulina: opera pwns |
| 05:12.20 | JoshJ | the horseshoe phenomenon is the problem with the 1-axis perspective |
| 05:12.23 | xixor | hello everybody, I am working on a PIII with a creative labs SB Live! audio cards, but can't seem to get it working. I am not too sure where too start wtih getting it working though |
| 05:12.26 | Guerin | nah, the neocons are a legitimate bit of politics - essentialist ethnocentric hypervigilance is how I've heard it described best |
| 05:12.28 | Quintin | insulina: k-meleon pwns also, but it's w32 only |
| 05:12.28 | JoshJ | 2-axis makes a lot more sense :p |
| 05:12.33 | madd_matt | insulina, in that case, try dillo or links -g |
| 05:12.36 | JoshJ | Guerin, you're leaving out the religious perspective |
| 05:12.50 | Guerin | JoshJ: ethnocentric includes judeo-christian-centric |
| 05:12.59 | Xenguy | JoshJ: amerika is the foremost proponent of ideological control these days - and they call it 'democracy' =) |
| 05:13.07 | JoshJ | Xenguy, don't start with me ;[ |
| 05:13.07 | Quintin | xixor: /j #also |
| 05:13.10 | Quintin | xixor: /j #alsa |
| 05:13.14 | Xenguy | JoshJ: mwaha |
| 05:13.19 | JoshJ | i see you're .ca, but seriously |
| 05:13.23 | Guerin | Xenguy: bollocks, the norkies and china still have them beat |
| 05:13.29 | JoshJ | america as "the land of the free" is more "the land of broken promises" |
| 05:13.36 | Guerin | iran somewhat less so, but that appears to be changing |
| 05:13.40 | Xenguy | Guerin: no, they are rookies in comparison |
| 05:13.52 | JoshJ | the best way to describe the neocons |
| 05:13.58 | JoshJ | is "we believe in freedom, but only if you're one of us" |
| 05:14.08 | Guerin | Xenguy: no, they explicitly are not. This is a recent phenomenon in the US, and an old pohenomemon in East Asia |
| 05:14.14 | Guerin | i know this because I lived there |
| 05:15.04 | Xenguy | Guerin: I appreciate your Asian perspective; but Amerika is fucked these days unfortunately |
| 05:15.22 | JoshJ | i suspect america is going to swing rather suddenly to one side or the other within the next 20 years |
| 05:15.36 | Guerin | Xenguy: yeah, i'm not so sure it isn't a blip. Get back to me in 10 years. |
| 05:15.38 | JoshJ | either the neocons will be completely evicted from politics |
| 05:15.43 | JoshJ | or they'll have taken things over completely |
| 05:15.45 | Guerin | JoshJ: right. |
| 05:15.47 | JoshJ | if the latter, i'm GTFO'ing |
| 05:15.50 | Xenguy | JoshJ: they are statistically divided 50/50 pretty much |
| 05:15.52 | Guerin | heh, awesome |
| 05:15.57 | Xenguy | Guerin: heh |
| 05:16.04 | JoshJ | Xenguy, i disagree |
| 05:16.10 | JoshJ | the neocons are a vocal minority |
| 05:16.12 | Xenguy | JoshJ: how so? |
| 05:16.19 | JoshJ | i live in the south, neocon central |
| 05:16.29 | Xenguy | JoshJ: I'm doing metrics on support for the war |
| 05:16.32 | g333k_laptop | karsten, well I have tried... I really dont know to and from encodings I have to specify to iconv |
| 05:16.33 | JoshJ | a lot of people identify themselves as "christian" and vote for the pro-christian party |
| 05:16.47 | JoshJ | however a lot of those aren't really the fundamentalists |
| 05:16.57 | JoshJ | there's an awful lot of fearmongering going on |
| 05:16.57 | g333k_laptop | karsten, I though UTF-8 to ISO-8859-1 |
| 05:16.58 | Xenguy | JoshJ: so confusion is a factor |
| 05:17.04 | JoshJ | less confusion, more fear |
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| 05:17.17 | Guerin | look up a concept called `dog whistle politics' if you get the chance - it's a pretty in-depth polisci term, but is explains the tendency of neocons to use superficially normal, rational sounding things which inspire strong feelings of enmity against a particular group |
| 05:17.19 | JoshJ | when you've got ann coulter labeling anyone that's not a republican as a "godless liberal" |
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| 05:17.32 | Xenguy | JoshJ: fear is a keyword (I really liked V for Vendetta for these themes BTW) |
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| 05:17.59 | JoshJ | and you've got the anti-gay marriage segment that's telling them that their children will not be safe from "the gay agenda" if the democrats are elected |
| 05:18.06 | JoshJ | the fear is a *huge* element of it |
| 05:18.23 | JoshJ | i put the neocons on a 20-year timetable for a reason |
| 05:18.41 | Guerin | JoshJ: right - this is the `dog whistle' talking - people already inclined to think these things are given a chance to read it into an otherwise fairly neutral speech |
| 05:18.44 | JoshJ | if they don't take over fully within 20 years, they'll find themselves rather suddenly out of a job from the next generation |
| 05:18.51 | Guerin | a stealthy way of radicalising mainstream political discourse |
| 05:18.52 | JoshJ | Guerin, i read an excellent paper not too long ago |
| 05:19.01 | JoshJ | called "the heterosexual agenda" |
| 05:19.07 | Guerin | heh, nice |
| 05:19.11 | Xenguy | JoshJ: fear is central to every agenda now, because it is a core element of control - learning to breathe through fear will become important for our kids in the days to come... |
| 05:19.23 | JoshJ | basically taking all the same sorts of anti-gay marriage arguments and using them to handle the opposite side |
| 05:19.30 | Guerin | right |
| 05:19.35 | JoshJ | stuff like "over 90 percent of heterosexuals have had oral sex" |
| 05:19.37 | Guerin | i just wrote a paper about a similar concept |
| 05:19.49 | JoshJ | if you want, i'll send it to you |
| 05:20.06 | JoshJ | (it's about 30-40 pages, pdf) |
| 05:20.15 | Guerin | JoshJ: link? |
| 05:20.36 | JoshJ | hold on |
| 05:20.36 | Quintin | m2 plz |
| 05:20.36 | Quintin | me2 |
| 05:20.46 | Guerin | Quintin: just because you want more ammo for your hatin' gays thing |
| 05:20.56 | Guerin | Quintin: take it as a compliment, honestly! |
| 05:21.04 | JoshJ | i'm not gay and really don't care about "the gays" one way or another |
| 05:21.13 | JoshJ | but the idea that the government can tell me who i can and can't have sex with, and how, is fucking ridiculous |
| 05:21.22 | Xenguy | JoshJ: absolutely |
| 05:21.23 | JoshJ | http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/Articles/000,015.pdf <-- note the pdf |
| 05:21.47 | Xenguy | JoshJ: what goes on in the bedrooms of free citizens is *not* any governments business |
| 05:21.50 | JoshJ | and the idea of laws being passed based on one religion is ridiculous |
| 05:22.07 | Guerin | JoshJ: only in a multi-ethnic society |
| 05:22.08 | JoshJ | if your prime argument in favor of a law is "the bible says it's a sin", STFU dammit >:[ |
| 05:22.14 | Rusty1 | simplify and make symbolic, US politics in a nutshell |
| 05:22.18 | Guerin | (which of course the US is) |
| 05:22.24 | Guerin | Rusty1: s/US// |
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| 05:22.48 | JoshJ | Guerin, i'd argue that even in single-ethnic societies that the law should allow for people to reject the religion they were brainwashed into |
| 05:23.13 | Quintin | Guerin: dislike, not hate. |
| 05:23.19 | karsten | g333k_laptop: Something like that. I've told you all I know. I'm not going to solve your issue for you, sorry. |
| 05:23.23 | Xenguy | JoshJ: religion should not be allowed to be compulsory |
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| 05:23.34 | Guerin | JoshJ: that would depend on the religion. It's a legitimate exercise of sovereignty to decide upon and enforce a national religion. |
| 05:23.43 | Guerin | Quintin: at least you're honest about it. |
| 05:23.43 | JoshJ | Guerin: bullshit |
| 05:23.43 | Xenguy | Guerin: nonsense |
| 05:23.49 | Guerin | not at all |
| 05:24.08 | Xenguy | Guerin: religion is most often brainwashing, that's it |
| 05:24.11 | JoshJ | Xenguy, and it is in effect compulsory if the government effectively writes the religion into law, but doesn't actually say "you must be religion x" |
| 05:24.18 | Guerin | Xenguy: only someone who's not religious would say so. |
| 05:24.21 | JoshJ | that's what the neocons are trying to do in america |
| 05:24.27 | Rusty1 | if you have a sovereign |
| 05:24.28 | Xenguy | Guerin: no gov't has the right to brainwash me or anyone else |
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| 05:24.36 | JoshJ | Guerin, except most people who are religious will claim that other religions are brainwashing |
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| 05:24.45 | JoshJ | plenty of christians think the muslims in the middle east are brainwashed ;] |
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| 05:25.10 | Guerin | JoshJ: yes, I agree to an extent there. Though the neocons' use of religion is more a tool than a deep-held conviction, It gives them access to two powerful voting blocs: zionists and the reliright |
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| 05:25.32 | JoshJ | yes, and i suspect that will end up as a major factor their downfall in ~20 years |
| 05:25.34 | Xenguy | T. Leary said 'Question Authority and Think for Yourself' -- I couldn't say it any better |
| 05:25.49 | streuner | haha |
| 05:25.56 | JoshJ | Xenguy... the irony... |
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| 05:26.15 | JoshJ | i don't know if you're aware, but the percentage of atheists in the USA is definitely growing |
| 05:26.21 | JoshJ | and it's mostly the younger generations |
| 05:26.40 | JoshJ | which is a large part in me giving the neocons 20 years to fully take over or become irrelevant :) |
| 05:26.49 | Quintin | Guerin: I don't even know if it would be dislike. I dislike all but 1 of such people that I know personally, would be more correct |
| 05:26.54 | Guerin | JoshJ: this is because of the `brainwashing of youth' by TV, beer, teen sex, etc. |
| 05:27.21 | JoshJ | yes, because alcohol and sex are new to this generation |
| 05:27.23 | JoshJ | *rolleyes* |
| 05:27.25 | Guerin | Quintin: is this a reverse form of the `I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black' argument? |
| 05:27.43 | Guerin | JoshJ: don't you know that every generation invents things afresh? |
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| 05:27.54 | pab | agnostic |
| 05:27.54 | Guerin | like oral sex, for instance |
| 05:28.01 | Guerin | and doing headstands in bars |
| 05:28.06 | JoshJ | Guerin, i'm well aware that every generation is the target of distrust from older generations |
| 05:28.07 | Guerin | nobody EVER did that before |
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| 05:28.26 | Quintin | Guerin: don't follow |
| 05:28.27 | JoshJ | the oral sex thing is an interesting backlash against the religious perspective of virginity |
| 05:28.40 | JoshJ | if i were a sociologist, i'd probably study that in detail |
| 05:28.41 | Guerin | Quintin: nah, i'm just teasin' |
| 05:28.47 | Quintin | I'm pro-oral sex |
| 05:28.54 | Quintin | vote for Q |
| 05:28.56 | JoshJ | lol |
| 05:28.59 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:29.07 | stoned | Guerin: every civilization rather |
| 05:29.12 | vipersniper | what do i need to get a printer up and running on debian "apt-get install cupsys cupsys-client gimp-print?" |
| 05:29.14 | Guerin | stoned: right. |
| 05:29.28 | Guerin | vipersniper: more or less. Then go to http://localhost:631 |
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| 05:29.34 | Quintin | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050130 |
| 05:29.40 | streuner | vipersniper: linuxprinting.org |
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| 05:29.52 | Guerin | stoned: a politician in our govt was recently described as `having more positions than the Kama Sutra' |
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| 05:30.04 | stoned | lol |
| 05:30.41 | JoshJ | i would argue that a lot of the modern "sexualization of young girls" is due to young girls being told their virginity is the most important part of who they are |
| 05:30.44 | mfrisch | stoned: you a texan yet |
| 05:30.46 | JoshJ | forbidden fruit and all that ;[ |
| 05:31.04 | stoned | mfrisch: I don't know yet |
| 05:31.13 | Guerin | JoshJ: right. Not the fault of paris hilton, etc. |
| 05:31.24 | Guerin | i'd agree broadly with that line |
| 05:31.25 | stoned | Prodigy kicks ass |
| 05:31.34 | stoned | hey look man |
| 05:31.34 | mfrisch | stoned: did you buy a gun yet? |
| 05:31.35 | Guerin | stoned: yes, prodigy does. Seen 'em? |
| 05:31.41 | JoshJ | Guerin, barbie was the notional cause of sexualizing girls ... what, 30 years ago? |
| 05:31.42 | stoned | anything we want is because we can't have it |
| 05:31.49 | stoned | look at tits for example |
| 05:31.53 | stoned | just let me give an exmaple |
| 05:31.55 | JoshJ | and of course now that the OLDER generation is the one that grew up with barbies, barbies are ok |
| 05:31.57 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:32.01 | Guerin | right |
| 05:32.19 | stoned | how much money do you think a titty bar on a saturday night is gonna make in one of those african tribes |
| 05:32.26 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:32.27 | stoned | none, cuz they see it all day long every day |
| 05:32.27 | Supaplex | you men and your barbies |
| 05:32.34 | stoned | if wemen started wearing gloves |
| 05:32.36 | JoshJ | stoned, nothing because those african tribes don't have any money |
| 05:32.44 | stoned | I think a handjob would be the ultimte act |
| 05:32.50 | Guerin | that would be a funny experiment |
| 05:32.55 | JoshJ | no experiment necessary |
| 05:32.59 | stoned | you'd be like, man she teased me all night man, wouldn't give up the hand |
| 05:33.04 | Guerin | it'd still be *funny* |
| 05:33.04 | JoshJ | in the '20s, the ankle was considered the height of female sexuality |
| 05:33.07 | mfrisch | stoned: I grew up around nude beaches and nudity looses its flair |
| 05:33.12 | stoned | guys would go to bars and pay girls just to take off thier gloves |
| 05:33.19 | stoned | WHY? all because its something we're not supposed to see |
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| 05:33.39 | Xenguy | gimmee a footjob any day =) |
| 05:33.49 | Guerin | i have to go and do dishes |
| 05:33.50 | JoshJ | lol |
| 05:33.51 | stoned | I mean tits are illegal in this country |
| 05:33.58 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 05:34.00 | JoshJ | the freudian perspective on sexuality is really hilarious |
| 05:34.01 | stoned | tits in this country of ours is put in the same category as handguns |
| 05:34.03 | stoned | you can have em |
| 05:34.04 | Guerin | I leave you with PJ Harvey's `Sheela-na-gig', which I think is appropriate |
| 05:34.13 | stoned | but whip em out in public and you can get arrested |
| 05:34.14 | JoshJ | especially regarding fetishes |
| 05:34.15 | stoned | am I right? |
| 05:34.18 | stoned | AM I right? |
| 05:34.22 | JoshJ | stoned, mardi gras :p |
| 05:34.23 | Quintin | stoned: well, depends on where you are. supposed to be able to show them |
| 05:34.39 | JoshJ | also it's legal with respect to breastfeeding in many places |
| 05:34.39 | Quintin | stoned: arrested, maybe. they wouldn't be charged though |
| 05:34.51 | stoned | they they're all about like anti tits and blah blah protect your kidds from this filth |
| 05:34.54 | stoned | protect em |
| 05:35.00 | stoned | THEY'RE MADE FOR KIDS! |
| 05:35.03 | JoshJ | XD |
| 05:35.07 | stoned | god our laws are soo stupid |
| 05:35.09 | Quintin | LOL |
| 05:35.10 | stoned | anyway im done |
| 05:35.19 | Xenguy | stoned: kid friendly - damn straight :-) |
| 05:35.21 | JoshJ | the retarded perspective on sexuality in this country is 100% due to the retarded religious perspective :( |
| 05:35.27 | Quintin | Everyone seen that pic of the baby? with the "ARE THOSE BOOBS FOR ME?" caption? |
| 05:35.38 | Guerin | joke(breasts,train set) |
| 05:35.40 | JoshJ | it's even worse in islamic countries, but it's bad here :\ |
| 05:35.58 | Xenguy | Quintin: hehe |
| 05:36.17 | Supaplex | But I was born naked! HAH |
| 05:36.25 | stoned | I wonder what it would take to come back to square one |
| 05:36.37 | stoned | make a round trip and be so easily entertained again |
| 05:36.43 | karsten | Supaplex: Quintin: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:37.04 | Quintin | karsten: You just get here? .. |
| 05:37.21 | Supaplex | heh but stoned just keeps rambling on and on and o... nm |
| 05:37.22 | Guerin | karsten: this has been going on since you were last here |
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| 05:37.37 | Guerin | with nary a pesky technical question amongst! |
| 05:37.40 | karsten | Quintin: And my response to that has what bearing on topicality of tits and islam to #debian? |
| 05:37.57 | Xenguy | sometimes OT is just a good idea who's time has come =) |
| 05:38.02 | stoned | just one time, to be so easily entertained. when you're 12 all you need a flap jack pair of tittes on National Geographic would gimme a boner for a month, now I need gaping rectal prawn just to break morning pisswood.. i mean.. i dunno. i think now its time for me to shut up =D |
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| 05:38.11 | JoshJ | ...wtf |
| 05:38.21 | Guerin | stoned: i blame the dope |
| 05:38.27 | stoned | i'm jokin |
| 05:38.30 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:38.33 | Guerin | stoned: and the fact that your future wife is away at skool |
| 05:38.39 | Guerin | stoned: sure you are |
| 05:38.40 | Supaplex | ohhh |
| 05:38.56 | Xenguy | is it getting personal now? |
| 05:39.03 | Guerin | stoned: when's she get back anyway, dude? |
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| 05:39.16 | stoned | fuckin immigration bullshit |
| 05:39.19 | Supaplex | Guerin: which one? |
| 05:39.23 | streuner | Xenguy: sure ;-) |
| 05:39.32 | Guerin | Supaplex: ? |
| 05:39.36 | stoned | looks tome like I'd have to go and marry her in pakistan and then get the sponsorship done that way |
| 05:39.37 | Xenguy | streuner: heh, OK I'm game then |
| 05:39.53 | stoned | I dunno how long its gonna take |
| 05:40.01 | Supaplex | Guerin: which one of stoned's? |
| 05:40.05 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 05:40.07 | streuner | Xenguy: we aren't bot, so expect some personal 'taste' in any discusssion... |
| 05:40.13 | Guerin | Supaplex: ttbomk he only has one future wife |
| 05:40.22 | Xenguy | streuner: oh yeah, got that down :-) |
| 05:40.23 | Guerin | Supaplex: otherwise it'd be his futuer EX-wife |
| 05:40.25 | Supaplex | oh wiffffeeee. ok. |
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| 05:40.52 | karsten | OK: 'run_test' is a shell function I've defined. args are test name, destination file, and commandname + args. |
| 05:41.07 | geo-rge | oh, nice... an OT crosspost about OT |
| 05:41.22 | karsten | Problem is when I want to pipe stuff, etc. So: run_test ps-recipies ps-recipies ~/bin/ps-recipies "| awk -v user=$USER '$1 !~ "(root|daemon|user)" |
| 05:42.04 | Guerin | karsten: begone with your computer talk! |
| 05:42.13 | karsten | ps-recipies is a shell script. Standardized PS over a number of different platforms. |
| 05:42.17 | karsten | Guerin: Suck me. |
| 05:42.19 | JoshJ | it is entirely too late for me to be deciphering shell |
| 05:42.21 | Supaplex | looks like crude perl just waiting to happen. |
| 05:42.26 | Guerin | karsten: fie dorrah |
| 05:42.29 | karsten | Supaplex: Dunnit jes? |
| 05:42.45 | Supaplex | huh? |
| 05:42.58 | Supaplex | oh, nm. |
| 05:43.00 | karsten | Supaplex: Translating: doesn't it, just? |
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| 05:43.23 | JoshJ | bah. i'm going to go get some sleep now |
| 05:43.27 | JoshJ | i'll install debian tomorrow |
| 05:43.33 | JoshJ | hopefully it boots this time |
| 05:43.41 | theblue | Anyone tried installing Debian on the NSLU2? |
| 05:43.55 | JoshJ | if not i'll be back in here asking for help, and if nothing works, i'll go to gentoo or something :\ |
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| 05:44.44 | Supaplex | karsten: user="${USER}" ? I'm not clear on your question, but I vagley think it's a quoting issue. |
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| 05:45.47 | karsten | Supaplex: yeah. I'm trying to pass a multi-token string to a shell function, where said string includes quotes and pipes. |
| 05:46.01 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 05:46.02 | pstickne | eww. |
| 05:46.30 | Supaplex | so the function catches $1 $2 $3 .. right? |
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| 05:47.28 | karsten | Supaplex: Yeah. |
| 05:48.06 | Supaplex | is there some source I can tossle with? |
| 05:48.20 | karsten | Supaplex: Set of shifts. NAME=$1; shift; DESTFILE=${1:-$NAME}; shift; COMMAND=${@:-$NAME} |
| 05:48.26 | stoned | hey Guerin did you see my site lately i made a transparent png in gimp. my first one ever |
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| 05:49.15 | karsten | Supaplex: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5466 |
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| 05:50.01 | stoned | I learned layers today hehe |
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| 05:50.56 | karsten | Supaplex: Invocations: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5467 |
| 05:51.50 | karsten | Supaplex: ... some sample invokes that you should be able to run. |
| 05:51.50 | karsten | Supaplex: The idea is to run all of this in a shell script which can be invoked on a bunch of hosts. Output is in 'ar' archive format, so I can un-ar the stream locally to get files to play with. |
| 05:51.57 | Supaplex | ahh |
| 05:52.37 | Supaplex | I'm use to quoting stuff like local TESTNAME=$1 as local TESTNAME="$1" |
| 05:52.40 | karsten | So there's a line in that script to generate an appropriate 'ar' header for the output. |
| 05:52.57 | karsten | Yeah, this is slightly more advanced than that. |
| 05:53.54 | Supaplex | http://debian.privatepaste.com/dcUJXowGqF ouuu pretty colors. (same paste) |
| 05:54.04 | Supaplex | <<-- eaisly amused @ times |
| 05:54.37 | Supaplex | I missed the closing } tho |
| 05:54.45 | karsten | Yeah, I'm coding in vim, highlighting on. |
| 05:55.02 | JoshJ | lol |
| 05:55.07 | JoshJ | sounds like nethack >_> |
| 05:55.19 | karsten | "It's full of stars". |
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| 05:58.23 | cld2 | anyone have a .deb for proggy fonts? |
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| 06:00.23 | karsten | cld2: ?? |
| 06:00.35 | corpcomp | How do I go about turning off DHCP so I can permanently set the IP of eth0 |
| 06:00.51 | karsten | corpcomp: man 5 interfaces |
| 06:02.10 | cld2 | karsten: its a set of fonts, but I cant seem to find a package for it. |
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| 06:02.17 | JoshJ | proggy is the name of the fonts? |
| 06:02.44 | JoshJ | try apt-cache search font | grep pro or something similar to that |
| 06:03.04 | karsten | cld2: There are instructions for installing arbitrary fonts, which has gotten much more straightforward, but I forget the specific procedure. |
| 06:03.12 | karsten | cld2: If you've got the fonts, you can install 'em. |
| 06:03.15 | JoshJ | on GNOME, you just drag the font file into the font folder |
| 06:03.47 | cld2 | karsten: I have the .pcf files and I was trying mkfontdir but im not having luck yet. |
| 06:03.50 | simonrvn | i sitck 'em in ~/.fonts and run fc-cache -vf |
| 06:04.03 | simonrvn | stick* |
| 06:04.04 | cld2 | simonrvn: thanks, ill give that a go |
| 06:04.32 | simonrvn | a pcf you might have to do it the old school X way with mkfont* shite |
| 06:04.39 | simonrvn | but try that ^^ first |
| 06:04.39 | karsten | simonrvn: Systemwide? Isn't there a /usr/local/ path that's on the font search? |
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| 06:05.38 | simonrvn | no, that's just per user... probably is a system-wide one there |
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| 06:10.35 | cld2 | thanks all |
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| 06:13.04 | dongs | "kernel: Out of socket memory" how to fix? my tcp-related sysctls are at http://rafb.net/p/sTGpbd20.html |
| 06:13.22 | Supaplex | karsten: http://debian.privatepaste.com/f20VhVtQoJ |
| 06:13.24 | karsten | !tell dongs about repeat |
| 06:13.44 | karsten | Supaplex: yeah, that's pretty much what I'm seeing. |
| 06:13.58 | Supaplex | see line 6+7? |
| 06:14.20 | dongs | karsten: shut the fuck up, i saw you repeat the same shit earlier. unless you actually have some USEFUL input related to my question, get back to being a retard on irc |
| 06:14.33 | karsten | Supaplex: I've tried various quoting strategies on the awk invocation w/o success. |
| 06:14.38 | karsten | !ops dongs abusive |
| 06:14.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: dongs abusive |
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| 06:15.12 | dongs | !retard karsten acting like a typical linux user |
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| 06:15.20 | peterS | dongs: tone it down |
| 06:16.01 | dongs | peterS: sure. |
| 06:16.29 | dongs | just seems counterproductive, he wasted more time typing that shit than actually answering my question |
| 06:16.36 | dongs | so I was pointing that out. |
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| 06:17.30 | Supaplex | good luck with that. |
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| 06:17.50 | theblue | Would it be a good idea for me to try out the RC1 installer on my Linksys NSLU2? |
| 06:17.54 | dongs | ya seriously. |
| 06:17.56 | theblue | Or would it brick the thing? |
| 06:18.09 | lkthomas | guys |
| 06:18.22 | lkthomas | how to read load average on top actuallly ? |
| 06:18.25 | Supaplex | theblue: if you have a good way to unbrick it, I guess you have a way out. Who else has tried this? |
| 06:18.28 | dongs | Supaplex: typical linux users are only ready to tell everyone to rtfm, and when faced with an actual serious question they start banning,etc. |
| 06:18.40 | theblue | dongs: No, that's just this channel. |
| 06:18.46 | theblue | dongs: Ever been to #ubuntu? |
| 06:18.47 | peterS | theblue: the rc1 installer does not work right now, we've been recommending the daily snapshots for awhile now |
| 06:18.50 | lkthomas | I got this: load average: 0.21, 0.16, 0.06. is this means high or low ? |
| 06:18.54 | dongs | oh, lets try there. |
| 06:19.03 | karsten | lkthomas: man top |
| 06:19.04 | Supaplex | dongs: I was going to look, until you started acting like a two year old. |
| 06:19.08 | theblue | peterS: Are there daily snapshots or a sarge installer for the NSLU2? |
| 06:19.21 | dongs | Supaplex: shrug, as if I actually expected you to. |
| 06:19.46 | peterS | theblue: I don't know much about it - I think the regular arm installer images are supposed to work on a slug, but I haven't actually heard this confirmed |
| 06:19.48 | karsten | lkthomas: That's 1m/5m/15m load average, defined as average length of the CPU run queue. |
| 06:19.57 | karsten | lkthomas: Those are relatively low values. |
| 06:20.06 | theblue | peterS: They don't, there needs to be a proprietary microcode for the Ethernet. |
| 06:20.08 | lkthomas | ahha |
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| 06:20.13 | lkthomas | length |
| 06:20.15 | lkthomas | ok |
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| 06:20.53 | karsten | lkthomas: It's the number of runnable processes on your system. Does not necessarially correlate to CPU usage, jobs waiting for IO are considered "runnable". |
| 06:20.53 | concept10 | stoned, still up? |
| 06:21.00 | Supaplex | lkthomas: that number is the number or processes waiting to run on the cpu. |
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| 06:21.13 | Supaplex | that/that's/ |
| 06:21.18 | Supaplex | er nm that. |
| 06:21.21 | lkthomas | karsten, I heard if the value is over 1, that's a busy server |
| 06:21.27 | karsten | lkthomas: values higher than your number of CPUs suggests you could get more done by distributing the load to other systems. |
| 06:21.34 | karsten | lkthomas: Could be. See above. |
| 06:21.38 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 06:21.48 | lkthomas | ok |
| 06:21.52 | lkthomas | seems make sense for me |
| 06:21.56 | karsten | lkthomas: I've seen loads > 1000. Generally indicates unhappiness. |
| 06:22.05 | lkthomas | LOL ? |
| 06:22.12 | lkthomas | over 1000 ?! |
| 06:22.15 | karsten | lkthomas: The real question you want to ask at that point is _why_ is the load that high. |
| 06:22.16 | Supaplex | heh > 5 makes me grumble :P > 15 makes me cry |
| 06:22.22 | karsten | lkthomas: Yeah. Lots of hung NFS mounts. |
| 06:22.29 | lkthomas | karsten, LOL |
| 06:22.51 | karsten | lkthomas: Not so funny when it's like that on 100s of farm systems. |
| 06:22.56 | Supaplex | I'm sure it gets better when it approaches 1000. hah not. |
| 06:23.05 | lkthomas | haha |
| 06:23.19 | lkthomas | LOL Supaplex |
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| 06:35.13 | Supaplex | dongs: http://debian.privatepaste.com/df0z6yty1Z comes from net/ipv4/tcp_timer.c (2.6.19). You might find the comments (and the source) generally helpful. How long have you seen this issue and what changed at that time? I've seen some LKML posts about poor switches/nics etc. how much memory does the system have? ecn might be able to throttle/stave off congestion. What application is handling all this network use? |
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| 06:35.48 | niles | hi |
| 06:36.03 | niles | i have a limewire question |
| 06:36.09 | niles | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.10 | niles | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.15 | niles | to disk ? |
| 06:36.36 | Supaplex | does the disk still fail? |
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| 06:42.17 | NetEcho | wow |
| 06:42.25 | NetEcho | the deb install lets you use a firewire port as a nic? |
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| 06:43.27 | Supaplex | NetEcho: all part of ieee1394. isn't it great? :) |
| 06:43.38 | geoaxis | hello people, how can I control services in debian (add , remove services from debian easily) |
| 06:43.40 | NetEcho | gah it won't do DHCP |
| 06:44.02 | geoaxis | I want ssh to start automatically |
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| 06:44.24 | NetEcho | ah the router doesn't like no hostname |
| 06:44.48 | hark | !tell geoaxis -about services |
| 06:44.54 | hark | !tell geoaxis -about ubuntu |
| 06:44.55 | Supaplex | geoaxis: update-rc.d |
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| 06:45.48 | geoaxis | hark : i am using ubuntu live cd to get xchat, I have seprate box on which debian is installed |
| 06:46.00 | ix | How can I pass options to a module which is autoloaded? |
| 06:46.01 | hark | nice |
| 06:46.03 | Supaplex | NetEcho: well, dhcpd of some flavor would have to be on the segment. humm ethernet<->ieee1394-net bridge. hummmm. |
| 06:46.10 | Supaplex | !tell ix -about modconf |
| 06:46.13 | NetEcho | good point |
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| 06:46.27 | NetEcho | anyone got a link to the new etch isos? |
| 06:47.23 | Supaplex | NetEcho: google: etch daily iso ? |
| 06:47.40 | Supaplex | maybe d-i |
| 06:47.51 | NetEcho | do they actually update it every day? |
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| 06:48.06 | Supaplex | yea |
| 06:48.16 | NetEcho | wow |
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| 06:48.39 | Supaplex | use a RC if you have any doubts on a daily (or vice-versa) |
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| 06:49.37 | hark | http://cdimage.debian.org/ |
| 06:49.49 | NetEcho | found it |
| 06:49.50 | NetEcho | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 06:56.30 | Penix | wenas |
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| 06:58.42 | predder | !spanish |
| 06:58.42 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:01.58 | Crypticfortune | ok, still fighting with trying to get 2.6.21-rc1 kernel to boot... anyone here tried running it? |
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| 07:02.30 | Crypticfortune | i get an error about not being able to mount root (complete boot up log and kernel panic is here: http://rafb.net/p/Lzx0Eq88.html |
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| 07:05.52 | predder | Crypticfortune, didn't they start making parrallel stuff sda now too? |
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| 07:06.17 | predder | try adding root=sdb5 rather than sda? |
| 07:06.42 | Crypticfortune | predder: yeah, there was a note that PATA stuff would be under sda instead of hda, but i have SATA, so i dont think it's related... |
| 07:06.47 | Crypticfortune | predder: worth a shot ^^ |
| 07:07.20 | predder | just incase it's detecting the optical first and making that sda and your hdd sdb |
| 07:07.32 | predder | I assume you're pointing to the right root partition ;) |
| 07:09.05 | Crypticfortune | predder: nope. same error. |
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| 07:09.24 | dongs | Supaplex: 4gb of memory, about 1000req/second, and ive already dedicated probably close to gig of ram to ipv4 buffers. |
| 07:09.59 | Crypticfortune | predder: and yes, the package default 2.6.18 debian kernel boots using the same kernel boot options (but i don't get agpgart support, so trying to use a newer kernel (it's a brand new machine on an intel Q965 chipset)) |
| 07:10.01 | predder | Crypticfortune, the only other thing I can suggest is going into your bios sata controller options and running it in legacy mode rather than AHCI |
| 07:10.33 | Crypticfortune | predder: yeah, it used to be legacy IDE mode yesterday when i started this, and had the same problem. people suggested AHCI... |
| 07:10.54 | dongs | sysctl_tcp_max_orphans |
| 07:10.54 | dongs | hm |
| 07:10.55 | predder | ok, well AHCI should be better supported anyway 'cause it's an open standard.. just a suggestion |
| 07:11.23 | predder | AHCI is definently better. oh, 965 chipset? You're plugged into the ICH8 controller right not the JBMicron one? |
| 07:11.44 | predder | Why 2.6.21 rather than 2.6.20? |
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| 07:13.25 | Crypticfortune | predder: well, it's a packaged hp box, so i did no plugging of anything myself, i could try to check though. |
| 07:13.49 | Crypticfortune | i tried 2.6.20 also, but same problem |
| 07:14.05 | Crypticfortune | also, if it helps, this is what happens on a successful boot (using 2.6.18) http://rafb.net/p/bWQqpX96.html |
| 07:14.11 | predder | well it should really tell you in the bios what controller it's plugged into |
| 07:15.50 | predder | does it have a card reader? |
| 07:16.14 | predder | 'cause they usually get detected as sd*'s as well which could throw the number off |
| 07:17.46 | Crypticfortune | predder: no card reader... (its an hp dx7300 if you'd like it look it up), but this is strange, the hard drive isnt showing up under the bios device configuration list...it did yesterday |
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| 07:23.41 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, no physical connection problem though |
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| 07:27.09 | predder | sorry Crypticfortune, i'm out of ideas! next thing I would try is more modules :P |
| 07:27.22 | pinx | I started vlc and wanted to select a playlist, but it froze, and now I can't close it or get rid of the frozen windows. Help? |
| 07:28.02 | markybob | pinx, kill -9 |
| 07:28.07 | Crypticfortune | predder: well, thanks for help your help anyway |
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| 07:28.36 | pinx | markybob: nope - that didn't work |
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| 07:28.48 | Crypticfortune | predder: btw, how would i know the difference between the ICH8 controller and a JBMicron one? (other than in bios) |
| 07:29.26 | markybob | pinx, you really dont have a clue, do you? you're supposed to enter the pid after kill -9. `ps a |grep vlc` see the number on the far left? put that after kill -9 |
| 07:29.46 | Cholito | pinx, ps ax | grep vlc |
| 07:29.54 | pinx | there is no entry for it in ps |
| 07:30.08 | Cholito | and the kill it, i think is some kind of kwvlc or so |
| 07:30.12 | hark | pinx: or do a killall vlc |
| 07:30.15 | Cholito | s/the/then |
| 07:30.28 | pinx | there is no entry for vlc in ps, or top |
| 07:30.31 | hark | or wxvlc |
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| 07:30.44 | ix | I know I can pass options to a module, but can I pass options to a driver which is compiled into the kernel in any way? |
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| 07:31.20 | pinx | markybob: I have been looking for the pid, but there isn't one |
| 07:31.27 | dondelelcaro | ix: you do it at boot time. |
| 07:31.32 | Cholito | pinx, and the system monitor? |
| 07:31.43 | dondelelcaro | pinx: if there's no entry in /proc or ps, then the thing isn't running. |
| 07:31.56 | dondelelcaro | (or you've got a trojaned or otherwise non-standard kernel) |
| 07:32.21 | pinx | Cholito: there is no process, it's dead, but the windows are still there |
| 07:32.42 | Crypticfortune | pinx: that or the frozen window isnt vlc's fault |
| 07:32.50 | predder | Crypticfortune, physically looking at the board they'll be seperated, there'll be 4 as the onboard and 2 different somehow (probably a different colour, angle or board location) belonging to the jbmicron |
| 07:32.52 | pinx | dondelelcaro: sarge as per apt-get updated and upgraded yesterday |
| 07:33.24 | Cholito | pinx, if the process is dead, how come the window is still there? |
| 07:33.52 | pinx | Cholito: I don't know - that's why I am asking you experts ;-) |
| 07:35.13 | Crypticfortune | predder: hmm, not on mine...i've got 3 connectors labeled sata0 (blue - goes to hd now), sata1 (white, goes to dvd), and sata2 (light blue, empty)... |
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| 07:35.39 | predder | Crypticfortune, oh your dvd is sata |
| 07:36.14 | predder | you probably dont have another controller then! sorry for the wild goose chase |
| 07:36.33 | ix | dondelelcaro: and how do I pass an option to a specific driver_ |
| 07:36.36 | ix | ? |
| 07:36.43 | predder | its just ICH8 chipsets dont have pata so I made an assumption that it would use this third party chipset for it |
| 07:36.46 | Crypticfortune | predder: heheh no problem. been trying to get some linux to work on this thing properly all week, any help is appreciated =p |
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| 07:39.00 | pinx | Cholito_: I don't know - that's why I am asking you experts ;-) |
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| 07:39.39 | Cholito_ | lol |
| 07:40.13 | Crypticfortune | pinx: another solution: ctrl-alt-backspace (careful, will kill all of X) |
| 07:40.25 | Cholito_ | that's another one |
| 07:40.42 | pinx | Crypticfortune: yea -- I didn't really want to do that |
| 07:40.43 | NetEcho | uhm I remember using dd in some form before to whipe out my MBR to kill a Bootsector virus anyone know the correct syntax? |
| 07:41.00 | pinx | it'd be easier to log out and back in |
| 07:42.18 | Cholito_ | pinx, that the Crypticfortune's option |
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| 07:46.21 | deepz | guys i have 3945abg wireless chipset on my laptop...i have installed etch.... |
| 07:46.28 | deepz | 3945 packages are in contrib |
| 07:46.56 | Crypticfortune | NetEcho: well, assuming all bootsectors are 512 bytes (im not sure of this...but google seems to think so), i think "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hd<yourdive> bs=512 count=1" would do it? |
| 07:47.07 | NetEcho | found it |
| 07:47.09 | deepz | which exact package do i install i ahev core2duo |
| 07:47.16 | NetEcho | I'm actually using it to whipe the entire drive |
| 07:47.59 | Crypticfortune | NetEcho: that should kill it too =p |
| 07:48.11 | NetEcho | without the last 2 params yea |
| 07:48.19 | NetEcho | got an annoying BS virus |
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| 07:54.06 | entr0py | what command would show me the latest version of a package available? |
| 07:54.25 | markybob | apt-get update && apt-cache show foo |
| 07:55.41 | NetEcho | whats the command for searching? |
| 07:55.41 | dondelelcaro | apt-cache policy foopkg; |
| 07:55.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell NetEcho -about search |
| 07:56.04 | NetEcho | thx |
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| 07:56.45 | entr0py | i have debian 3.1 and if i'm reading this right, it shows that the latest postfix available is 2.1.5-9? |
| 07:57.16 | NetEcho | wtf |
| 07:57.22 | NetEcho | I do apt-get and it asks for the cd |
| 07:57.24 | markybob | entr0py, yep |
| 07:57.29 | markybob | entr0py, in 3.1 |
| 07:57.31 | narma | hello, I wonder if there is a date for when etch will be in stable release ? |
| 07:57.42 | markybob | NetEcho, remove cd line in /etc/sources.list |
| 07:57.47 | NetEcho | thx |
| 07:57.48 | pingouin | when it'll be ready narma |
| 07:57.55 | entr0py | markybob; heh, that sucks, i need features of 2.3 |
| 07:57.57 | Crypticfortune | entr0py: incidentally, apt-cache show postfix for me shows 2.3.6-1 |
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| 07:58.15 | NetEcho | there is no sources.list |
| 07:58.28 | NetEcho | oh |
| 07:58.29 | entr0py | Crypticfortune: you're running a newer debian though, right? |
| 07:58.31 | NetEcho | /etc/apt |
| 07:58.32 | Guerin | entr0py: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:58.35 | Crypticfortune | entr0py: yup |
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| 07:59.22 | entr0py | Guerin: is any of that dangerous? or pretty safe to do? |
| 07:59.23 | markybob | narma, /topic |
| 07:59.36 | Guerin | entr0py: quite safe. |
| 07:59.50 | entr0py | cool |
| 08:00.06 | NetEcho | this is gonna take time to get used to again |
| 08:00.09 | Guerin | safer than running testing or unstable on your mail server ;) |
| 08:00.38 | Guerin | NetEcho: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> is a good place to start |
| 08:00.49 | hark | dpkg-reconfigure gdm or /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 08:00.56 | NetEcho | thx |
| 08:01.12 | narma | thank you markybob :) sorry to not see it before.... |
| 08:01.18 | entr0py | Guerin: that's what I'm trying to avoid. My client specified debian, so that's what I'm using, but I didn't realize the postfix would be so old |
| 08:01.32 | Guerin | entr0py: yeh, sarge is about to release.' |
| 08:01.39 | Guerin | sorry |
| 08:01.40 | Guerin | etch |
| 08:01.43 | NetEcho | nice |
| 08:01.44 | Guerin | !sing sarge |
| 08:01.45 | dpkg | Any day now, any daaay nooww, I shall beee reeleeeassed... |
| 08:02.10 | Guerin | bah, younguns in here probably don't even know the choon |
| 08:02.13 | markybob | sounds like my wife. "we'll have sex one of these days, just not today" |
| 08:02.18 | Guerin | hah |
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| 08:02.29 | Guerin | markybob: any day now, it shall be released |
| 08:02.34 | markybob | heh |
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| 08:05.46 | entr0py | Guerin: I started the process by updating my sources.list, and when I run apt-get update, it hangs connecting to ftp.fi.debian.org at 63% |
| 08:06.10 | entr0py | can I subst ftp.de.debian.org? |
| 08:06.11 | pinx | Guerin: I know the tune ;-) |
| 08:06.17 | dondelelcaro | best to use a backport of postfix if you actually use it. |
| 08:06.24 | liable | amazing, i think they might have actually fixed my phone line |
| 08:06.32 | dondelelcaro | although, unless you specifically need features from the newest postfix, there's really no point. |
| 08:06.43 | entr0py | i need features of 2.3 |
| 08:06.56 | entr0py | specifically pipe variables for ${sender}, etc |
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| 08:07.33 | dondelelcaro | entr0py: then you want to use the backport on backports.org of 2.3.6-1 |
| 08:08.33 | Guerin | mm, that's an option too |
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| 08:09.06 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, simple sid backport is <reply> First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 08:09.07 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 08:10.48 | entr0py | dondelelcaro, too many options ;) |
| 08:10.51 | liable | bug count for etch has gone down about 10 in the last month or two |
| 08:11.03 | NetEcho | any idea what the module name is that make the computer beep through the internal speakers? |
| 08:11.11 | NetEcho | nm |
| 08:11.40 | Guerin | liable: only another year or so to go! |
| 08:11.58 | liable | woohoo |
| 08:12.16 | hark | !when will etch be released |
| 08:12.16 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some entrails... ok, etch should be out by Passover. |
| 08:12.37 | liable | heh |
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| 08:13.08 | liable | is dpkg jewish? |
| 08:13.21 | NetEcho | anyone know how to keep debian from loading mod pcspkr at boot? |
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| 08:13.40 | Guerin | NetEcho: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 08:13.42 | solid_liq | how do I enable autoindent and insertion of the # character at the beginning of the line when editing bash scripts? I can't remember the option's name |
| 08:13.44 | NetEcho | thx |
| 08:13.44 | liable | NetEcho: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 08:13.53 | solid_liq | in vim that is :) |
| 08:13.54 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: date of release is <reply> The next release of debian will release on (Jan|Feb|Mar|Apr|May|Jun|Jul|Aug|Sep|Oct|Nov|Dec) (|1|2)(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9), 20(0|1|2|3)(0|1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9). If you ask again, the date will change. |
| 08:13.57 | NetEcho | thats for sarge isn't it? |
| 08:13.59 | Guerin | NetEcho: i have heard reports that this doesn't always work for that particular module |
| 08:14.07 | NetEcho | this is etch |
| 08:14.23 | NetEcho | nm |
| 08:14.50 | NetEcho | hrm |
| 08:14.55 | NetEcho | KDM can be annoying at times |
| 08:15.39 | Guerin | yes |
| 08:15.42 | dondelelcaro | !date of release |
| 08:15.42 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on Apr 26, 2026. If you ask again, the date will change. |
| 08:15.44 | Guerin | it has a k on front |
| 08:16.04 | NetEcho | !date of release |
| 08:16.04 | dpkg | The next release of debian will release on Feb 17, 2010. If you ask again, the date will change. |
| 08:16.06 | NetEcho | lol |
| 08:16.10 | liable | that seems like a realistic date |
| 08:16.15 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: date of etch release is <reply> see date of release |
| 08:16.16 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 08:16.26 | entr0py | how would i list all postfix-* packages on my system? |
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| 08:16.32 | dondelelcaro | entr0py: dpkg -l postfix-* |
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| 08:16.50 | dondelelcaro | (possibly with |grep ^i |
| 08:16.53 | craigevil | Perhaps it will release by Christmas |
| 08:17.01 | dondelelcaro | (or grep ^[hi]i) |
| 08:17.56 | entr0py | and now that i've verified that i have the files i need to replace... hmm.. install from disk? |
| 08:18.06 | entr0py | apt-get doesn't like files? |
| 08:18.12 | markybob | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 08:18.27 | markybob | entr0py, --^ do that |
| 08:18.31 | dondelelcaro | entr0py: you shouldn't get the files. Add a sources.list line for backports.org, and use apt-get or aptitude. |
| 08:18.51 | dondelelcaro | the howto on the site explains how to do this. |
| 08:18.51 | entr0py | oh, ok... |
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| 08:19.20 | entr0py | sorry, i don't use debian very much |
| 08:19.25 | dondelelcaro | np; you'll figure it out |
| 08:20.32 | NetEcho | is AppleTalk needed? |
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| 08:21.10 | NetEcho | yea blacklist doesn't work |
| 08:21.53 | dondelelcaro | unless you're using it, not really. |
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| 08:22.16 | grendal_prime | i got kinda werid thing here...i upgraded this machine the other day...now i have this werid kdm screen, the login manager screen i believe it is...no longer does it list the users on the left hand side of the screen...i liked that ..it made it easy for my daughter to log in..how do i get it back? |
| 08:22.17 | NetEcho | so how do I keep appletalk from loading on bootup and pcspkr |
| 08:22.34 | entr0py | dondelelcaro, apt-get wants to remove postfix-tls from my system and i don't see it on backports... is tls in the main package now? |
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| 08:23.53 | grendal_prime | the fact that there was a picture on the screen and she could just click on it worked great. now...shes lost ..and angry, shes only 6 and i think its unfair at this point to complicate things for her |
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| 08:24.08 | grendal_prime | hehehe.. |
| 08:24.13 | dondelelcaro | entr0py: it depends on libssl, so I assume so. |
| 08:24.20 | hark | grendal_prime: a different theme maybe? run kdmsetup or something, i guess |
| 08:24.40 | dondelelcaro | grendal_prime: sounds like the faces chooser isn't running |
| 08:25.28 | grendal_prime | i cant seem to find the faces chooser app...i though it was...well shit hold on |
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| 08:26.17 | entr0py | so i also notice that it says "will be installed: libdb4.3 lsb-base postfix". Does that mean it will be installed in parallel to older libdb etc. |
| 08:26.32 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
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| 08:26.43 | dondelelcaro | libdb has symbol versioning (in debian anyway) so it's no big deal. |
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| 08:27.13 | NetEcho | dondelelcaro any idea how to keep a module from loading other than the blacklist |
| 08:27.19 | NetEcho | blacklist doesn't seem to want to work |
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| 08:28.22 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: what is loading it? |
| 08:29.23 | NetEcho | no idea |
| 08:29.26 | NetEcho | its a default module |
| 08:29.35 | NetEcho | its the thing that beeps the PC speaker |
| 08:29.44 | NetEcho | and for my laptop thats the laptop speakers on full volume |
| 08:30.00 | markybob | pcspkr |
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| 08:30.20 | NetEcho | yea |
| 08:30.28 | NetEcho | I need it unloaded on startup |
| 08:30.33 | NetEcho | blacklist won't do it |
| 08:30.35 | markybob | NetEcho, here's an idea...delete it. cant load what isnt there |
| 08:30.44 | NetEcho | where would I find it? |
| 08:30.57 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.04 | markybob | locate |
| 08:31.05 | markybob | find |
| 08:31.11 | markybob | whatever |
| 08:31.42 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: it's not a module |
| 08:31.57 | dondelelcaro | it's built into the kernel; if you don't want your laptop to beep, disable the terminal beep. |
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| 08:32.46 | dondelelcaro | !bell |
| 08:32.46 | NetEcho | or remove pcspkr.ko as markybob suggested |
| 08:32.46 | dpkg | methinks bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc |
| 08:33.11 | NetEcho | it beeps outside of terminal too |
| 08:33.17 | dondelelcaro | NetEcho: where? |
| 08:33.24 | NetEcho | login manager |
| 08:33.27 | NetEcho | any programs |
| 08:33.35 | NetEcho | its like windows before you install the sound card drivers |
| 08:33.49 | cydork | dondelelcaro: it is a module i guess. debian kernel config has this.. CONFIG_INPUT_PCSPKR=m |
| 08:33.56 | NetEcho | yea |
| 08:33.59 | NetEcho | I deleted the module |
| 08:34.04 | dondelelcaro | programs don't beep unless you've got the termbeep on. |
| 08:34.07 | NetEcho | rmmod temp disables it |
| 08:34.19 | dondelelcaro | ah; perhaps it's a module now |
| 08:34.27 | NetEcho | should have always been |
| 08:34.27 | Crypticfortune | when i compile a new kernel using make-kpkg should i be getting an initrd? (im not getting one, but im wondering if that's why my kernel won't boot...) |
| 08:34.36 | NetEcho | most vanila kernels keep it as a module |
| 08:34.55 | markybob | Crypticfortune, depends on how well you configured it |
| 08:34.56 | NetEcho | so far debian has given me the least bit of trouble |
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| 08:35.22 | markybob | Crypticfortune, if you want it to make an initrd it's make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers ...for example. fyi |
| 08:36.08 | Crypticfortune | markybob: well, i imported the config from the debian 2.6.18 package kernel, and only changed a few places, so a lot of modules might be necessary (but from looking at the boot up messages, it looks like they're still loading from somewhere...) |
| 08:36.17 | grendal_prime | ya i cant find the damn faces chooser |
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| 08:36.42 | NetEcho | ack |
| 08:36.43 | markybob | Crypticfortune, probably best to make the initrd, then. |
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| 08:36.45 | NetEcho | something happened n |
| 08:36.52 | NetEcho | its not loading my network now |
| 08:36.57 | Crypticfortune | markybob: k, thanks. i'll give that a try |
| 08:37.13 | markybob | NetEcho, did you get rm happy? |
| 08:37.13 | uden | hi ... when i do "aptitude install <pkg_name>" i get an error saying "Segmentation faulttate information... 0%"... please help mee |
| 08:37.20 | NetEcho | nope |
| 08:37.25 | NetEcho | removed pcspkr and thats it |
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| 08:37.37 | NetEcho | it sees eht1 |
| 08:37.40 | NetEcho | just doesn't connect it |
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| 08:37.54 | cydork | NetEcho: check /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs |
| 08:38.01 | NetEcho | already did that cydork |
| 08:38.06 | NetEcho | doesn't work |
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| 08:38.22 | NetEcho | but thats no longer relavent to eth1 not working |
| 08:38.33 | NetEcho | hrm |
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| 08:38.56 | uden | the synaptic package manager says i have 9 broken packages... how do i correct them? |
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| 08:39.46 | cydork | uden: run apt-get -f install |
| 08:39.58 | cydork | uden: synaptic should also have a option for that.. |
| 08:40.02 | NetEcho | says link is ready so thats weird |
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| 08:40.08 | craigevil | uedn: click on Custom Filters>Broken and either try reinstalling or removing them |
| 08:40.09 | atula | hi everyone. what is the command to probe a newly added disk again? |
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| 08:40.16 | atula | this is a hot swapable disk |
| 08:40.24 | uden | cydork, apt-get -f install gives the same segmentation fault error |
| 08:40.40 | NetEcho | wtf |
| 08:40.47 | NetEcho | it says eht1 link is ready on bootup |
| 08:40.50 | NetEcho | but it doesn't work |
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| 08:41.13 | NetEcho | whats the dhcp client command that debian uses? |
| 08:41.13 | markybob | NetEcho, does it work if you use ifconfig and route manually? |
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| 08:41.22 | NetEcho | never done it manualy before |
| 08:41.23 | markybob | NetEcho, dhclient eth1 |
| 08:41.23 | rrk | netecho what does ifconfig say |
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| 08:41.28 | NetEcho | 1 sec |
| 08:41.48 | cydork | uden: try to run strace apt-get -f install and pastebin the output. |
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| 08:42.09 | uden | craigevil, Custm filters in the synaptic? |
| 08:42.10 | NetEcho | dhclient worked |
| 08:42.20 | uden | cydork, ok |
| 08:42.21 | NetEcho | so the bootup isn't running dhclient properly |
| 08:42.29 | NetEcho | meh |
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| 08:42.54 | rrk | can some help with a module problem ? |
| 08:43.00 | hark | uden: does an aptitude update also segfault? |
| 08:43.03 | NetEcho | what kind of module problem? |
| 08:43.08 | markybob | NetEcho, your interfaces file is probably wrong. take a look |
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| 08:43.32 | uden | hark, yes ... it does |
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| 08:43.40 | NetEcho | markybob path? |
| 08:43.45 | markybob | NetEcho, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:43.51 | NetEcho | I'm pretty new to debian |
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| 08:44.00 | markybob | NetEcho, man interfaces |
| 08:44.02 | rrk | i have a sis965L there is no pci id in modules.pcimap for it but it is suppose to work with sis_sata and libdta |
| 08:44.04 | hark | uden: remove /var/cache/apt/*.bin and run the update again |
| 08:44.07 | NetEcho | used to slackware but I've known debian to present a lot less compatibility issues with my laptop |
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| 08:44.31 | uden | cydork, http://pastebin.ca/368736 |
| 08:44.34 | NetEcho | so what am I looking for in there markybob? |
| 08:44.58 | NetEcho | I see |
| 08:45.02 | NetEcho | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 08:45.08 | NetEcho | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 08:45.13 | NetEcho | hostname Eclipse |
| 08:45.51 | markybob | NetEcho, paste your interfaces file in pastbin and link me |
| 08:46.01 | NetEcho | kk |
| 08:46.04 | NetEcho | hrm |
| 08:46.08 | NetEcho | this is gonna be interesting |
| 08:46.11 | NetEcho | oh wait ssh |
| 08:46.48 | uden | hark, hurrayy!! it worked.... thanks |
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| 08:48.53 | NetEcho | markybob: http://pastebin.ca/368739 |
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| 08:50.01 | markybob | NetEcho, simplify things a bit. make it this http://pastebin.ca/368740 |
| 08:50.23 | NetEcho | I need the hostname tho |
| 08:50.33 | msingh | is there a good alternative to giFT that someone can recommend? |
| 08:50.49 | NetEcho | my router for some reason hates clients without a hostname |
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| 08:51.13 | markybob | NetEcho, then put it in there. i dont care. you just needed auto eth1, which you didnt have |
| 08:51.23 | entr0py | NetEcho: is your router by chance a Motorola? |
| 08:51.31 | NetEcho | nope |
| 08:51.32 | dimir | M'oink 'oink 'oink! |
| 08:51.51 | NetEcho | what about the hotplug markybob? |
| 08:51.59 | NetEcho | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 08:52.06 | markybob | again, dont care |
| 08:52.13 | NetEcho | but it can be put in? |
| 08:52.20 | markybob | yes |
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| 08:53.23 | NetEcho | lets give it a shot then |
| 08:53.44 | rrk | can someone tell how depmod gets pci ids for the module.pcimap |
| 08:54.22 | Supaplex | modinfo |
| 08:54.28 | Supaplex | is my guess. |
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| 08:54.52 | rrk | what is modinfo? |
| 08:55.05 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.33 | Supaplex | try man modinfo |
| 08:56.37 | rrk | ok i just googled ok i think i need to put the sis965L id is some structure with in the sis_sata driver |
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| 08:58.21 | markybob | NetEcho, ? |
| 08:58.23 | rrk | markbob lshw finds the sis965L it but there is no id in the pcimap |
| 08:58.54 | markybob | rrk you did update-pciids and it still doesnt show pci id? |
| 08:59.32 | rrk | i'll try part of the problem is it is a livecd |
| 08:59.50 | Supaplex | must not be debian-live |
| 08:59.54 | Supaplex | tsk tsk |
| 08:59.59 | markybob | great. yeah. |
| 09:00.06 | markybob | sigh |
| 09:00.13 | Supaplex | !sigh |
| 09:00.13 | dpkg | somebody said sigh was we are living hard times pal |
| 09:00.27 | rrk | yep it is sidux kanotix knoppix mepis you name i have tried it |
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| 09:00.43 | markybob | which has nothing to do with #debian |
| 09:00.55 | markybob | so please stop wasting our time |
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| 09:01.14 | rrk | net install don't work either |
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| 09:01.23 | mc__ | Hello! My xserver refuses to start, i always have to chmod /dev/null to 666 first,how can i do this permanently? At the moment i have to do it at every reboot |
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| 09:01.46 | Supaplex | rrk: try it with a debian-live cd, if you can. |
| 09:02.11 | Supaplex | mc__: in sid? with udev? |
| 09:02.36 | rrk | ok i can try that |
| 09:02.39 | mc__ | Supaplex: yes |
| 09:03.11 | xixor | hey everyone, I am still using the same kernel which installed with Debian unstable last April, 2.6.16-1-686, is there a package for a newer kernel? 2.6.20? |
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| 09:03.26 | Supaplex | mc__: I recall a slightly nasty udev bug in bts. |
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| 09:03.38 | Supaplex | !btssmite mc__ |
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| 09:04.10 | mc__ | Supaplex: lol |
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| 09:04.20 | dpy | hi guys |
| 09:04.44 | Supaplex | welcome to #debian dpy. |
| 09:04.57 | dpy | could anyone shed some light on the usage of section 7.5.1 of the debian policy manual |
| 09:05.01 | dpy | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces |
| 09:05.30 | rrk | ok Supaplex 20 minutes to debian live |
| 09:05.36 | dpy | how do I specify which files of a package should overwrite which other files of another package |
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| 09:06.05 | dpy | do I denote the package to completely replace the other package ? I doubt this would be correct |
| 09:06.52 | fredl | hey guys. I'm having problems with dbconfig-common... On Ubuntu, I'm trying to install torrentflux and I've set dbc_debug=1 to see what's going on... |
| 09:07.21 | xixor | For example, doing an apt-cache search kernel-image- doesn't reveal any new kernels it seems? |
| 09:07.36 | liable | xixor: linux-image |
| 09:07.42 | liable | fredl: try #ubuntu |
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| 09:08.29 | fredl | liable... |
| 09:08.32 | markybob | xixor, yeah, a while back the name changed. since debian can use various different kernels (other than linux), it's now linux-image |
| 09:08.40 | xixor | ah, interesting |
| 09:08.42 | xixor | that is good to know |
| 09:08.49 | fredl | you know that #ubuntu is mostly for n00bs, c'mon. |
| 09:08.59 | markybob | !based on debian |
| 09:08.59 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 09:09.02 | liable | fredl: and #debian is for debian folks |
| 09:09.04 | markybob | no one gives a crap |
| 09:09.07 | liable | bye bye |
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| 09:09.14 | xixor | markybob: my current kernel package is a kernel-image |
| 09:09.22 | liable | xixor: sarge? |
| 09:09.31 | markybob | xixor, i believe you. point, good sir? :) |
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| 09:09.42 | xixor | markybob: no point |
| 09:09.46 | markybob | ok |
| 09:09.52 | xixor | liable: my /etc/debian_version says 4.0 |
| 09:09.57 | xixor | ha |
| 09:10.03 | liable | if you have sarge, you wont get new kernels, cept for security upgrades |
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| 09:10.19 | xixor | I can never remember which version I am using |
| 09:10.21 | liable | xixor: then you need to upgrade your kernel.. |
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| 09:10.39 | fredl | liable, fine, I have the same problem with my Debian VMware host. |
| 09:10.40 | xixor | liable: I think I am using etch |
| 09:10.48 | maddash | !tell me about reverse dnsb |
| 09:10.49 | GhostlyDeath | How do I make it so I can access (R/W) my Windows drive automatically? would "/dev/sda1/windowsntfsdefaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1" work? |
| 09:10.50 | maddash | !tell me about reverse dns |
| 09:10.51 | dpy | "Packages can declare in their control file that they should overwrite files in certain other packages, or completely replace other packages. The Replaces control file field has these two distinct purposes." |
| 09:11.09 | markybob | xixor, if you wanna always have the latest kernel, install linux-image-686 (assuming you're on a 686 system) |
| 09:11.10 | dpy | how do I denote which files from what other package this package Replaces |
| 09:11.16 | liable | xixor: yes, so install a linux-image, if you have a kernel-image, then you must have installed pre etch |
| 09:11.37 | liable | !tell markybob about selftell |
| 09:11.39 | xixor | markybob: I am on a PIII, that is 686 I believe right? |
| 09:11.40 | liable | oops |
| 09:11.47 | liable | !tell maddash about selftell |
| 09:11.49 | Supaplex | maddash: just /msg the bot on those :) |
| 09:11.50 | whaq | You, Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. |
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| 09:12.13 | markybob | xixor, yes |
| 09:12.18 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone? |
| 09:12.24 | maddash | Supaplex: i can't; my slash key is broken |
| 09:12.47 | liable | how did you /j #debian then? |
| 09:12.52 | markybob | GhostlyDeath, what do you use? sid? |
| 09:12.56 | GhostlyDeath | GNOME |
| 09:12.59 | markybob | wtf |
| 09:13.19 | GhostlyDeath | I just want to access my windows drive |
| 09:13.23 | maddash | i didn't; lostirc didn it for me |
| 09:13.24 | GhostlyDeath | without problems |
| 09:13.26 | liable | maddash: anyway, dpkg should have just opened a query, so you can just ask in that window now |
| 09:13.27 | maddash | did* |
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| 09:13.36 | maddash | liable: which is what i'm doing now |
| 09:13.46 | markybob | i want someone who can tell me what version of debian they're using |
| 09:13.48 | xixor | markybob: is there anything that should be done from upgrading to kernel-image, other than that package? Just give the machine a reboot? |
| 09:14.04 | markybob | xixor, just reboot her up |
| 09:14.09 | GhostlyDeath | it says "You do not have the necessary permissions to view /windows" |
| 09:14.14 | xixor | markybob: sweet |
| 09:14.54 | xixor | time to take the plunge |
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| 09:15.16 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: you can allocate a user to a vfat or ntfs mount in /etc/fstab |
| 09:15.36 | maddash | will i encounter any problems if i swap out my current etch kernel with a vanilla 2.6.20? |
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| 09:15.51 | markybob | maddash, not if you configured it properly |
| 09:15.52 | liable | not if you built it properly |
| 09:16.29 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: man mount - it's all in there |
| 09:16.36 | markybob | maddash, and you do know that there's 2.6.20.1 now, right? |
| 09:16.37 | maddash | markybob: how would i configure it improperly? assume that i cp my current /boot/config and `make oldconfig` |
| 09:17.01 | markybob | maddash, if you're pulling that stunt, make sure you use --initrd with the make-kpkg |
| 09:17.04 | maddash | markybob: thanks for that update |
| 09:17.04 | GhostlyDeath | I still don't get permission |
| 09:17.27 | Supaplex | markybob: re xixor, depending on the kernel used, he might have to revert. let's hope it all goes ok. eg, initramfs (and not initrd) can eaisly fail to boot if update-initramfs isn't called after the package is installed (just fyi) |
| 09:17.36 | maddash | markybob: that's all? i'll be fine after that? |
| 09:17.54 | Supaplex | I hope that's fixed in a newer kp |
| 09:17.55 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: umount it and start again |
| 09:18.15 | markybob | maddash, you should be ok, yeah. make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers then dpkg -i those .deb files |
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| 09:19.33 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: you need to set the uid and gid at mount time |
| 09:19.59 | liable | GhostlyDeath: try umask=000 (to test) |
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| 09:20.05 | maddash | markybob: ok. sounds as simple as compiling one of the 2.6.18.3 etch kernel sources. so how is running the vanilla diff from running etch? |
| 09:20.09 | liable | !tell GhostlyDeath about vfatrw |
| 09:20.18 | GhostlyDeath | I'm not using vfat |
| 09:20.22 | Supaplex | liable: didn't he say ntfs? |
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| 09:20.35 | markybob | maddash, really, if you dont know, there's no reason for you to be doing this. really. dont waste your time |
| 09:20.37 | Supaplex | nm :) |
| 09:20.45 | Supaplex | !tell GhostlyDeath -about ntfs |
| 09:20.49 | pinx | liable: it's ntfs |
| 09:20.51 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: there's a start. |
| 09:20.53 | liable | Supaplex: same thing, the factoid even mentions ntfs (but i didnt notice what he said :) |
| 09:21.04 | markybob | Supaplex, and then told me "gnome" when i asked if he was using "sid"...why i stopped talking about that topic :) |
| 09:21.09 | Supaplex | but ntfs isn't vfat :) |
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| 09:21.41 | Supaplex | markybob: that was etch, right? |
| 09:21.45 | liable | meh, there *was* a vfat factoid that said ntfs is the same, just change fs |
| 09:21.49 | pinx | but you can define a uid and gid for ntfs at mount time too -- can't you? |
| 09:21.50 | xixor | markybob: cool, kernel is going, thanks, eh |
| 09:22.01 | markybob | xixor, good. np |
| 09:22.32 | GhostlyDeath | I'm using the root console markybob |
| 09:22.33 | markybob | no one's really gonna tell this guy that he's not gonna get any kind of good write (which he requested) without ntfs-3g, huh? |
| 09:22.37 | Supaplex | xixor: I guess this was your desktop eh? |
| 09:22.49 | maddash | markybob: actually, i *need* to do this. if you're too sophisticated to explain to me, then perhaps there's a piece of doc you know of that could? |
| 09:22.50 | xixor | Supaplex: what do you mean? |
| 09:23.06 | Supaplex | xixor: your shiny new kernel after reboot. |
| 09:23.24 | xixor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:23.50 | markybob | maddash, it's the same kernel! damnit, man. debian kernel...vanilla kernel...it's all linux kernel! |
| 09:23.55 | xixor | Supaplex: its sort of a desktop/server that sits in the corner of my apartment. Gets used as a server sometimes, used as a desktop sometimes. It is only a P3 933 w/ 512 ram, so its not a killer system |
| 09:24.01 | Supaplex | xixor: ahh. I didn't see anyone ask if it was a remote box before you rebooted. glad you're back :) |
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| 09:24.27 | GhostlyDeath | What do I set gid as? |
| 09:24.40 | maddash | markybob: not entirely. the vanilla only becomes debian after the appropriate patch is applied... |
| 09:24.46 | GhostlyDeath | 100 to match users? |
| 09:24.51 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: same group as the user you want |
| 09:24.53 | markybob | oh my dear lord |
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| 09:25.11 | Supaplex | markybob: chill. have you ever apt-get source kernel-image-foo and check the patches directory? there are subtle differences. |
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| 09:25.21 | GhostlyDeath | ok |
| 09:25.23 | GhostlyDeath | got it all |
| 09:25.34 | xixor | I just started using Amarok, what a sweet program |
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| 09:25.42 | Supaplex | ntfs gid is less important. if you own file/dirs, gid is trivial. |
| 09:25.44 | GhostlyDeath | "/dev/sda1/windowsntfsrw,exec,group,owner,auto,user,users,umask=022,gid=1000,errors=remount-ro 0 0" |
| 09:25.56 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: set "type" to "auto" if it chokes on "ntfs" |
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| 09:26.23 | maddash | markybob: see, i've asked this before (well, i actually questioned the purpose of the patch; equivalent to what i'm asking now), and i was told that the patches implemented the apt system. which leads me to wonder whether i'd still be able to aptitude (and friends) while running vanilla. |
| 09:26.39 | markybob | maddash, yes. whoever told you that was on crack |
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| 09:27.08 | markybob | maddash, you'll be fine. there are many vanilla kernels running debian just fine...with apt-get and aptitude hanging in there |
| 09:27.22 | Supaplex | maddash: you can install a vanilla kernel just fine. you don't even need package management. but, you're on you own there. that's why kp was created. |
| 09:27.27 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 09:27.33 | GhostlyDeath | I can't write to it though.. |
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| 09:27.55 | markybob | i tried to tell you guys. |
| 09:27.59 | markybob | ntfs-3g |
| 09:28.00 | maddash | Supaplex: kp = kernel-package? |
| 09:28.06 | Supaplex | maddash: yup |
| 09:28.58 | Supaplex | takes most of the brainyness work out of rolling a new kernel :) |
| 09:29.21 | maddash | Supaplex: i'm confused. "you don't even need package management." <----- that would imply that vanilla doesn't have pkg management. but isn't pkg management equivalent to apt? |
| 09:30.00 | Supaplex | vanilla how? |
| 09:30.06 | GhostlyDeath | what umask is equivelent to -rwxrwxrwx? |
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| 09:30.10 | Supaplex | bare bones, or kp rolled? |
| 09:30.31 | markybob | maddash, please stop listening and getting more confused. vanilla kernel has nothing to do with aptitude working. you'll be fine |
| 09:30.34 | Supaplex | kp rolled is well.. it ends in .deb, so it's managed, even if there are no patches/ |
| 09:30.59 | Crypticfortune | w00t! thank you markybob! new 2.6.21-rc1 kernel effeectively up and running thanks to --initrd! |
| 09:31.11 | maddash | Supaplex: kp-rolled, i think, since i plan on using make-kpkg to compile the kernel, and make-kpkg comes from kp |
| 09:31.12 | Crypticfortune | X comes up and everything. wonderful |
| 09:31.14 | markybob | Crypticfortune, you're welcome :) |
| 09:31.14 | GhostlyDeath | Anyone? |
| 09:31.26 | maddash | Supaplex: "vanilla" previously referred to the vanilla kernel |
| 09:31.52 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: auto defaults,uid=1xxx,gid=1xxx 0 0 |
| 09:32.06 | pinx | that allows me to write to my ntfs partition |
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| 09:32.48 | GhostlyDeath | heh |
| 09:33.05 | GhostlyDeath | An Ad says "Companies are switching from Linux to Windows Server" |
| 09:33.13 | Supaplex | FUD |
| 09:33.32 | Supaplex | !think |
| 09:33.32 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 09:33.32 | Arafangion | GhostlyDeath: Since when did we believe ads? |
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| 09:33.57 | GhostlyDeath | When some of us got brainwashed by corporate powers |
| 09:34.04 | Arafangion | GhostlyDeath: And "switching from", implies that they switched TO 10 years ago. (Companies move slowly). |
| 09:34.09 | markybob | Arafangion, some are true. like life being better with a little captain in you |
| 09:34.11 | fredl | *sigh* |
| 09:34.12 | Arafangion | GhostlyDeath: Linux was not suitable for companies then. |
| 09:34.24 | fredl | so do you guys get a lot of frustrated Ubuntu users here lately? |
| 09:34.25 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: some of you maybe - but nobody in here |
| 09:34.29 | Arafangion | markybob: The ones that are true tend to be humours. |
| 09:34.36 | londain | don;t know about companies - but people around these parts don't like the fact that vista won't work with their ipods |
| 09:34.37 | GhostlyDeath | I'm not brainwashed though |
| 09:34.41 | GhostlyDeath | I thought the ad was funny |
| 09:34.47 | Arafangion | fredl: Yes, because the #ubuntu channel is even worse than #debian :( |
| 09:34.52 | Supaplex | fredl: all our debian children demand we support them at one time or another, it seems. |
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| 09:35.27 | GhostlyDeath | I also run Win XP Pro/Media |
| 09:35.34 | GhostlyDeath | for all Windows stuff |
| 09:35.47 | GhostlyDeath | pinx: most of the time |
| 09:36.04 | Supaplex | lots of bang for the $$$ |
| 09:36.08 | GhostlyDeath | what umask is equivelent to rwxrwxrwx? |
| 09:36.13 | fredl | Supaplex, I'm not some newbie or anything, I have no dislikes against either Debian OR Ubuntu... it seems to be becoming such that Ubuntu is pretty and looks good on the desktop but a ton of people on #ubuntu are wellwilling, but really newbies themselves... |
| 09:36.22 | maddash | markybob, Supaplex: ok, i've finally dug up the relevant info. it seems that the debian patches are used to clear up debian-specific bugs encountered when running a vanilla kernel - is this right? |
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| 09:36.31 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: auto defaults,uid=1xxx,gid=1xxx 0 0 |
| 09:36.34 | pinx | that allows me to write to my ntfs partition |
| 09:36.35 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: why do you need that umask? do you have linux executables on there? |
| 09:36.40 | GhostlyDeath | yes |
| 09:36.49 | pinx | wtf??? |
| 09:36.57 | Supaplex | maddash: yes |
| 09:36.59 | fredl | while a lot of people on #debian know more about the server part but if you ask anything it's 'why don't you go ask on #ubuntu' |
| 09:37.14 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: like what? that's highly odd. :P |
| 09:37.25 | GhostlyDeath | developmental folders and stuff |
| 09:37.33 | GhostlyDeath | So I don't need to have duplicates! |
| 09:37.57 | GhostlyDeath | It's a waste of programmers time to copy and paste back and forth |
| 09:38.05 | GhostlyDeath | between OSes |
| 09:38.09 | Crypticfortune | hmmm, im running etch, and xorg 7.1, but "apt-cache search beryl" turns up nothing....what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:38.13 | GhostlyDeath | so if both OSes can read NTFS... |
| 09:38.19 | GhostlyDeath | but only one can read ext3 |
| 09:38.22 | GhostlyDeath | you get the idea |
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| 09:38.31 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: there are ext2 drivers for windows to |
| 09:38.38 | markybob | first of, windows reads ext3 just fine, with the right drivers |
| 09:38.42 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: you can make XP read ext3 |
| 09:38.51 | GhostlyDeath | using explorer? |
| 09:39.03 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: anyway, help umask from the shell. |
| 09:39.04 | GhostlyDeath | R/W access? |
| 09:39.09 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: yes, yes |
| 09:39.23 | markybob | Crypticfortune, check your pm from dpkg |
| 09:39.47 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: you need to do some more basic research in man, google, etc |
| 09:39.57 | Supaplex | imo the ext2/3 driver for windows would be more suitable than ntfs* in linux. but, I don't touch ntfs unless I reallllllyyy have to. (which is almost never) |
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| 09:40.13 | markybob | GhostlyDeath, you should've said that from the start. http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 09:40.35 | GhostlyDeath | What about for Win98? |
| 09:40.41 | Supaplex | STFW |
| 09:41.06 | fredl | So is there some actual animosity between Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 09:41.08 | markybob | c'mon. i'm alone in thinking this guy cant be for real? |
| 09:41.14 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: win98 is not on NTFS |
| 09:41.21 | GhostlyDeath | I meant |
| 09:41.27 | GhostlyDeath | What if I wanted 98 to read ext3? |
| 09:41.34 | Crypticfortune | markybob: oh ok. so basically it's just not in the official unstable distribution yet, i see. |
| 09:41.34 | GhostlyDeath | You can get drivers for ntfs under Win98 |
| 09:41.38 | Supaplex | fredl: define actual. |
| 09:41.51 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: go and google - it's all there |
| 09:42.02 | Supaplex | GhostlyDeath: http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+98+ext3fs |
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| 09:42.20 | fredl | I'm just curious, I decided a while ago to switch from Debian to Ubuntu because the releases were quick, the desktop was supported quite well, and the support on IRC was decent... |
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| 09:42.37 | pinx | I got more abuse for a sensible question earlier |
| 09:42.44 | rrk | Supaplex 1 live debian booted it is about worthless no fdisk parted or cfdisk and the display is hosed so i'm on console |
| 09:43.04 | Arafangion | fredl: was, being the operative term :( Seems that whenever I have a *real* (ie, actual technical problem) question, #ubuntu will ignore you :( |
| 09:43.05 | Supaplex | rrk: fix /etc/apt/sources.list and install something. |
| 09:43.21 | fredl | Arafangion, yes, that's exactly my observation. |
| 09:43.21 | rrk | ok |
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| 09:43.51 | fredl | Arafangion, I'm actually considering switching back to Debian now. |
| 09:44.11 | fredl | Arafangion, at least on here you can get some answer to questions that exceed the level of 'how can I move a file?' |
| 09:44.21 | Supaplex | haha. that's sad. |
| 09:44.22 | Arafangion | fredl: You could also try #ubuntu+1 |
| 09:44.26 | Arafangion | Supaplex: It's the truth :( |
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| 09:44.40 | Arafangion | fredl: Personally, I use ubuntu only on laptops. |
| 09:44.51 | Arafangion | fredl: And only because they've done a heck alot of work there. |
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| 09:44.57 | Supaplex | I'd use ubuntu just to help out. but well, ... I'd use debian instead anyway. |
| 09:45.29 | fredl | Well Debian *does* have it's own problems ya know... |
| 09:45.31 | pinx | Arafangion: fredl - I have had sarge running on my windows toshiba laptop for a while now with no serious problems |
| 09:45.34 | Supaplex | !hug debian.org |
| 09:45.36 | Arafangion | fredl: True. |
| 09:45.49 | Arafangion | fredl: But they're *different* problems, and they actually do fix them professionally. |
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| 09:45.56 | qwertz | HI, I've got several PC with different hardware specs to install with Debian. Is there an easy way to make an image and put it on all PC regardless of partition values etc.? |
| 09:46.06 | fredl | I mean the incredibly long release cycles really are a problem. |
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| 09:46.13 | Arafangion | fredl: I disagree. |
| 09:46.22 | Supaplex | !fai |
| 09:46.22 | dpkg | hmm... fai is Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 09:46.35 | jelly-home | fredl: only if you use software from the distro exclusively |
| 09:46.42 | maddash | once you've had debian, you wouldn't want anything else...unless you've got OCD (like me), in which case gentoo is the distro of choice.... |
| 09:46.45 | fredl | Arafangion, well, I write some software, I'm trying to grow a business and eventually maybe sell some services to companies that way... |
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| 09:47.09 | jelly-home | maddash: plenty of thing to tune on a Debian system too... |
| 09:47.12 | Arafangion | fredl: I don't see the problem. |
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| 09:47.19 | Arafangion | fredl: I'm also a programmer. |
| 09:47.22 | fredl | Arafangion, I can't really in my right mind advice potential clients to use Debian stable. |
| 09:47.27 | fredl | well I could... |
| 09:47.27 | Arafangion | (Though, most of my dev is on windows) |
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| 09:47.49 | fredl | testing is a somewhat viable alternative... |
| 09:47.50 | Arafangion | fredl: You can, however, package your program with everything it needs and stick it in /opt/fredl |
| 09:48.00 | maddash | jelly-home: pray tell. ./configure doesn't cut it for me. |
| 09:48.02 | Supaplex | I don't really have to backport much. I use sarge on production servers with minimal backports (eg, zabbix), and mostly etch to tame the update cycles. |
| 09:48.10 | fredl | but more often than not, I *need* software from unstable for my development work. |
| 09:48.21 | jelly-home | fredl: backports! |
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| 09:48.45 | fredl | jelly-home, yeah that's a great thing, I know. Also, 'testing' isn't bad at all. |
| 09:48.45 | pinx | even I managed to backport a few things into sarge |
| 09:48.48 | ram____ | hi can some one tell me.. how to setup PXE boot server using debian in mynetwork |
| 09:49.00 | jelly-home | fredl: testing is ok, but not really for production |
| 09:49.21 | fredl | jelly-home, but when *I* can handle that doesn't really mean a sometimes clueless client can. |
| 09:49.22 | maddash | ram____: i think that's equivalent to setting up a dhcp server on debian |
| 09:49.23 | Supaplex | ram____: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 09:49.41 | Supaplex | maddash: that's one piece of the pie, yes. :) |
| 09:49.51 | fredl | if I'm a fultime employee of that client and I sysadmin their systems, sure, no problem. But I usually don't. |
| 09:50.19 | rrk | Supaplex up with ssh and parted |
| 09:50.28 | jelly-home | fredl: you could create your own repository and configure the clients' systems to use it |
| 09:50.37 | fredl | pinx, if you know how to backport stuff, you're far beyond 'clueless' :) |
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| 09:50.57 | rrk | no hd no 964 only a 190 with no takers in ls mod |
| 09:51.54 | pinx | fredl and you can log into their systems and look after the packages for them yourself |
| 09:51.54 | fredl | jelly-home, that's an approach I'm taking right now, for Ubuntu that is, since I see that packages which have long been in Debian are not in Ubuntu. |
| 09:51.54 | pinx | fredl heh - tell markybob that ;-) |
| 09:51.55 | Supaplex | rrk: what kernel is it? I'm a touch sleep deprived, or I would have mentioned you can roll your own live cd to (earlier) |
| 09:51.59 | Supaplex | oh, but that requires a running debian system heh. |
| 09:52.15 | rrk | 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 09:52.33 | fredl | well, I think it's a shame that Ubuntu and Debian cannot work closer together and combine the best of both. |
| 09:52.54 | pinx | Debian *is* the best of both |
| 09:53.00 | Supaplex | rrk, have another system to build modules on? isn't that what you're doing? (I caught the tail end of this thread...) |
| 09:53.26 | fredl | pinx, I agree with you actually. |
| 09:53.30 | rrk | yes i have lots of them |
| 09:53.33 | Supaplex | fredl: we do, more then you might realise. |
| 09:53.38 | fredl | pinx, see VHS / Betamax |
| 09:53.50 | pinx | fredl -- exactly |
| 09:54.08 | fredl | really Supaplex ? How involved are you in Debian? |
| 09:54.43 | fredl | see, I've recently been making my own deb's, I'm wondering what to focus on, Debian or Ubuntu. |
| 09:54.47 | Supaplex | fredl: I know my way around. don't know everything (might never hah). I've seen our patches in their bts, and their patches end up in our bts. |
| 09:54.52 | GhostlyDeath | hmm |
| 09:54.54 | pinx | fredl - that's one of the real joys of being on here - some of the main guys are on here too |
| 09:55.04 | GhostlyDeath | my drive is mounted as ro when rw is set... |
| 09:55.10 | fredl | I've been chatting on #debian-mentors and got fantastic help there. |
| 09:56.22 | fredl | well truth be told, s/Ubuntu/Redhat/ |
| 09:56.52 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: why set it? What are your defaults? |
| 09:56.53 | maddash | ubuntu is commercially viable? |
| 09:57.11 | fredl | maddash, I think so. you don't agree? |
| 09:57.20 | GhostlyDeath | "rw,exec,group,owner,auto,uid=1000,umask=000,gid=1000" are my options |
| 09:57.22 | fredl | maddash, that's mostly me thinking in numbers. |
| 09:57.29 | liable | coninical supports it commercially |
| 09:57.29 | pinx | fredl - it only *looks* nicer |
| 09:57.30 | fredl | maddash, but I might be wrong. |
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| 09:58.07 | maddash | fredl: depends on whom you sell it. |
| 09:58.33 | liable | GhostlyDeath: the gid and uid are kinda pointless with umask 000 |
| 09:58.34 | fredl | maddash, well, to corporate customers, those that have sufficient cash to pay my freelance fee. |
| 09:58.44 | maddash | fredl: it's too human-esque for corporate customers |
| 09:58.54 | pinx | GhostlyDeath: auto is the default - no need for that |
| 09:59.16 | rrk | Supaplex whats next |
| 09:59.27 | maddash | fredl: if you get what i mean |
| 09:59.34 | fredl | maddash, but to those corporate customers it also has a 'face', there's many more users that know of Ubuntu, despite some Ubuntu folks still saying 'Debian is the rock Ubuntu was built on' |
| 09:59.50 | markybob | s/was/is |
| 09:59.51 | GhostlyDeath | heh, rock |
| 10:00.02 | fredl | maddash, yeah I get you. That's why I also said s/Ubuntu/Redhat |
| 10:00.19 | maddash | fredl: geez. so the point is moot. |
| 10:00.30 | markybob | i'm still wondering how "rock" is funny |
| 10:00.33 | fredl | uhuh, agreed. |
| 10:00.48 | fredl | I don't think it's funny and didn't mean it funny. |
| 10:00.48 | dpy | how do I trigger a reinstall of a package during a uninstall of another package ? |
| 10:01.10 | Supaplex | rrk: what happens after you modprobe sis_sata? |
| 10:01.15 | liable | dpy: just install it |
| 10:01.20 | rrk | module not found |
| 10:01.22 | pinx | dpy - open another screen |
| 10:01.24 | liable | dpy: unless it has a conflict |
| 10:01.37 | Supaplex | rrk: what kernel were you using before that had it? |
| 10:01.44 | maddash | doesn't redhat violate gpl by *selling* it's distro? |
| 10:01.45 | GhostlyDeath | everything on earth was built on rocks |
| 10:01.45 | markybob | dpy, you'll have to just apt-get --reinstall install foo manually after removing the other one |
| 10:01.48 | rrk | 20 |
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| 10:01.50 | dpy | no, the problem is, I can't use apt-get itself in the postrm, locking issue |
| 10:02.04 | fredl | well anyway, thanks for letting me vent freely without kicking my ass :) |
| 10:02.09 | dpy | markybob: the boss doesn't accept this |
| 10:02.13 | fredl | </soapbox> :) |
| 10:02.14 | markybob | ha! |
| 10:02.29 | Supaplex | rrk: it might be sata-sis or sata_sis |
| 10:02.34 | liable | dpy: paste the errors |
| 10:02.42 | Supaplex | rrk: ok. I have 2.6.19.1 |
| 10:02.45 | liable | to a pastebot.. |
| 10:02.50 | fredl | suffice it to say that dbconfig-common installs and works without a problem on unstable :P |
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| 10:03.24 | rrk | ok looks like sata_sis |
| 10:03.33 | fredl | so anybody here ever tried Nexenta? |
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| 10:03.46 | fredl | I mean, talk about lost children :P |
| 10:03.51 | markybob | fredl, that sounds like the latest ED drug |
| 10:04.04 | fredl | you never heard of it markybob? |
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| 10:04.18 | Supaplex | rrk: what's the pci bus id of the controller? |
| 10:04.22 | rrk | ok it is in no users |
| 10:04.23 | markybob | fredl, i know what it is, yes, but i also think the name is funny :) |
| 10:04.28 | rrk | i sec |
| 10:04.36 | fredl | yeah I wonder who came up with it. |
| 10:05.02 | dpy | http://rafb.net/p/kIQbGq33.html |
| 10:05.02 | fredl | Nexenta somewhat resembles Ubuntu, although I don't know why. |
| 10:05.11 | fredl | it doesn't even sound the same. |
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| 10:05.37 | Supaplex | it was the first available domain when they were looking for one. ;) |
| 10:05.40 | dpy | http://rafb.net/p/X1MoIt61.html <-- the postrm script |
| 10:05.45 | wam | why does context.portal_catalog(searches...) return objects which the current user may not see? The user has no global role and is not in allowedRolesAndUsers for that catalog-objects... |
| 10:05.55 | fredl | Soluntu ? |
| 10:06.09 | SlayerXP | good morning has dweebians |
| 10:06.15 | SlayerXP | s/has/hash/ |
| 10:06.31 | rrk | 00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS965 [MuTIOL Media IO] (rev 48) |
| 10:06.46 | fredl | Sololo ? |
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| 10:06.56 | maddash | lol "dweebians" - cute |
| 10:07.03 | dpy | markybob: any suggestions... |
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| 10:07.13 | fredl | Ularis? |
| 10:07.22 | Supaplex | rrk: lspci -n -s 00:02.0 |
| 10:07.39 | markybob | maddash, no. i dont think it can be done. really. but i'm not a debian maintainer and have limited experience with that type of thing |
| 10:07.55 | rrk | 00:02.0 0601: 1039:0965 |
| 10:08.07 | markybob | dpy, --^ that was for you |
| 10:08.09 | maddash | markybob: huh? |
| 10:08.12 | Supaplex | was basantashrestha quit in unicode or extended ascii? that keeps goofing up my xterm. |
| 10:08.12 | markybob | maddash, nm |
| 10:08.26 | maddash | markybob: yes, saw that right after i hit <enter> |
| 10:08.32 | GhostlyDeath | know what makes me angry? When my mouse pointer decides to hide itself... |
| 10:08.48 | fredl | really.. |
| 10:09.00 | pinx | Supaplex: utf8 |
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| 10:09.40 | Supaplex | rrk: let me stab around in my kernel sources. |
| 10:09.49 | rrk | ok |
| 10:09.54 | markybob | 4am and i'm still not in bed. i'm an idiot |
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| 10:10.01 | fredl | indeed. |
| 10:10.17 | rrk | so am you must be centeral time to |
| 10:10.23 | fredl | <fredl> you you're a guru who doesn't know if you have dbconfig-common installed? :) |
| 10:10.23 | fredl | <[miles]> jeje |
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| 10:11.15 | markybob | rrk, currently. i travel a lot |
| 10:11.22 | fredl | So I want to buy a new server... |
| 10:11.34 | rrk | used to do that |
| 10:11.39 | markybob | fredl, penguincomputing.com ? |
| 10:11.50 | fredl | it should do tons of things. But most of all, it should sit close to my TV, be small, be quiet. |
| 10:12.08 | GhostlyDeath | damnit, cant Sync my palm pilot |
| 10:12.46 | fredl | it should run multiple OS' at the same time, so VMWare sounds like a plan, but Xen sounds like a better plan, while KVM sounds even better but is not 'quite there' yet. |
| 10:13.13 | markybob | fredl, http://www.hushtechnologies.net/ for quiet |
| 10:13.19 | fredl | penguincomputing still lives? |
| 10:13.21 | fredl | wow |
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| 10:14.18 | fredl | oh a lot of those mini desktops these days are pretty quiet actually markybob |
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| 10:14.38 | fredl | I was in a computershop only yesterday and I nearly fell backwards. |
| 10:15.18 | fredl | they had like, these almost 'walkman' (the old ones with a CD, not the new ones) size PC's |
| 10:15.29 | Supaplex | rrk: what kernel do you have now? |
| 10:15.31 | fredl | I looked at the specs and was like 'whoah!' |
| 10:15.56 | fredl | had like, a dual core CPU, 1G of Ram, 80G disk, fast graphics card. |
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| 10:16.07 | pinx | the only limit on minimizing the size of a PC now is the need for a screen and keyboard |
| 10:16.10 | rrk | 2.6.18-3-486 |
| 10:16.14 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 10:16.19 | fredl | I immediately thought" "I want a beowulf of these" |
| 10:16.30 | markybob | any ideas when amd barcelona hits the streets? |
| 10:16.32 | pinx | my girlfriends nephew produces a roll-up keyboard a while back |
| 10:16.54 | HardDisk_WP | a question: i have a Colorado T1000 tape drive, connected via LPT |
| 10:16.54 | HardDisk_WP | what module to load and how tu use it? |
| 10:16.55 | Supaplex | fredl: have you heard about the teraflop processor? |
| 10:17.11 | fredl | pinx, I've seen those too. Water resistant, and they light up in the dark, I kid you not! |
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| 10:17.29 | fredl | Supaplex, nope, isn't that's what's in the PS3 ? :) |
| 10:17.35 | Supaplex | rrk: dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 shows this, right? |
| 10:17.37 | pinx | fredl - yes - and they can carry a lot of the motherboard too |
| 10:17.44 | Supaplex | fredl: no, recent intel press release |
| 10:18.17 | fredl | 80 cores... |
| 10:18.21 | fredl | found it. |
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| 10:18.38 | Supaplex | yyyup. get me on, ok? |
| 10:18.42 | Supaplex | one* |
| 10:18.51 | fredl | well thing is... |
| 10:18.54 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 10:18.59 | pinx | the teraflop is still experimental, but it's not far away |
| 10:19.00 | fredl | even when you think you have 'multiple cores' |
| 10:19.07 | fredl | they're not standalone computers. |
| 10:19.27 | fredl | I mean that's what I hoped for when I started digging into Xen's paravirtualization. |
| 10:19.33 | rrk | Supaplex i just did uname -r for the kernel version |
| 10:19.34 | Supaplex | smp happy john anyone? :P |
| 10:20.02 | fredl | Supaplex, you heard of paravirtualization? |
| 10:20.08 | Supaplex | rrk: ok, I'm assuming dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.18-3-486 says that's installed, so I'm fetching that package to build against. |
| 10:20.21 | Supaplex | fredl: yes. blame vmware <3 |
| 10:20.55 | fredl | well VMware is trying to catch up there, I think. But from what I understand, Xen has done some pioneering work on it. |
| 10:21.19 | Supaplex | humm maybe. I understand vmware has provided some code contributions. |
| 10:21.28 | Supaplex | I haven't toyed with xen yet. |
| 10:21.52 | sepski | fredl, i am tring to pxeboot a jackpc here. it's so small it fits in a hole in the wall. |
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| 10:22.05 | sepski | not too powerful tho :/ |
| 10:22.06 | rrk | i have a stupid port question can anything other than a firewall /iptables block a port ? |
| 10:22.23 | sepski | rrk, the service running there can have acl's |
| 10:22.24 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 10:22.44 | sepski | rrk, or use tcpwrappers like hosts.allow, hosts.deny |
| 10:22.56 | fredl | sepski that's always the problem huh? Those nano-itx boards are nice too, and VIA has already announced even smaller ones. |
| 10:22.58 | rrk | ok but i don't think there are ACL controls |
| 10:23.28 | fredl | Supaplex, Xen *is* pretty cool, it's in many ways far ahead of it's time I think. |
| 10:23.34 | Supaplex | block a port for what? some one thing, or anything? |
| 10:23.40 | rrk | i have postgres configured but can not see 5432 |
| 10:23.50 | fredl | miniature-drama in itself however. Should Linux include Xen support I wondered.... |
| 10:23.58 | Supaplex | does netstat show it? |
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| 10:24.13 | rrk | neither nmap or lsof says it is open -- and have setup postgres many a time |
| 10:24.13 | Supaplex | sure why not. we can be open. |
| 10:24.32 | naoel | what is the name of the config file of gkrellm? |
| 10:24.37 | rrk | no on netstat also |
| 10:24.42 | Supaplex | is there some subtle 'tcp/listen' directive you need? |
| 10:25.04 | Supaplex | try reconfiguring the package. |
| 10:25.04 | fredl | anybody here already installed Linux on a PS3? |
| 10:25.10 | Supaplex | fredl: yea |
| 10:25.16 | Supaplex | well, not I |
| 10:25.28 | fredl | well I read it's been done :) |
| 10:25.35 | rrk | basicly there is the host allow in pg_hba and the tcp and port in postgresql.conf and that is it |
| 10:25.38 | Supaplex | iirc, there's a debian-live image for it |
| 10:25.39 | fredl | I wonder how it performs. |
| 10:25.54 | fredl | those PS3 CPU's are pretty powerfull aren't they? |
| 10:25.54 | naoel | what's the chat channel for gkrellm? |
| 10:26.01 | Supaplex | hosts.allow won't affect seeing it via lsof/netstat |
| 10:26.02 | rrk | ok |
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| 10:26.17 | Supaplex | or even nmap, it'll just cut off service before it's handed down. |
| 10:26.29 | Supaplex | !gkrellm |
| 10:26.29 | dpkg | gkrellm just rocks. http://gkrellm.net, or have a look at http://gkrellm.luon.net for 4 cool plugins If you have seen the movie Forbidden Planet, you might recall the Krell had a room with wall to wall meters for monitoring their power systems, and that is what I was thinking of when I came up with the GKrellM name. |
| 10:26.53 | Supaplex | such a ... informitive factiod. |
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| 10:31.39 | naoel | ? |
| 10:32.01 | naoel | am i still online? |
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| 10:32.11 | fredl | anybody here own a PS3? |
| 10:32.12 | Supaplex | !test naoel |
| 10:32.12 | dpkg | Testing naoel... ROM BASIC NOT FOUND$#$ |
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| 10:33.12 | naoel | i just want to know where to locate the gkrellm config file so that i can cp it over to another system. |
| 10:34.02 | karsten | naoel: find . -name \*gkrellm\* |
| 10:34.10 | karsten | naoel: ... from your home directory, as a first pass. |
| 10:34.27 | naoel | ok, thks. |
| 10:34.57 | Supaplex | naoel: or start it with strace and check the log. eg, strace -e open -Ffo log gkrellm |
| 10:35.15 | pinx | naoel: man locate |
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| 10:35.33 | naoel | thks a plenty. |
| 10:35.45 | maddash | karsten: why "\*"? |
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| 10:37.06 | karsten | maddash: man find |
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| 10:37.17 | karsten | maddash: or try it with and without. |
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| 10:37.45 | karsten | maddash: Hint: the '\' is more for bash (or other shell if used) than find. |
| 10:38.09 | maddash | karsten: it works fine without the "\" |
| 10:38.18 | maddash | karsten: which is what i've always been doing... |
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| 10:38.46 | rrk | Supaplex reconfigure did the trick -- never had to do that before but then again i have never installed it on a ARM |
| 10:38.52 | naoel | thks guys, found it at ~/.gkrellm. bye. |
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| 10:39.06 | Supaplex | rrk: ahh cool. |
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| 10:39.27 | Supaplex | what's this sata_sis on? x86? |
| 10:39.36 | frenchninja | damn Supaplex is a great game |
| 10:39.42 | frenchninja | you just reminded me to go hunting for Rocks n Diamonds |
| 10:39.44 | Supaplex | you bet |
| 10:39.44 | karsten | maddash: mkdir subdir; touch foogkrellm1 subdir/bargkrellm1; find . -name *gkrellm*; find . -name \*gkrellm\* |
| 10:39.55 | karsten | maddash: Now explain why. |
| 10:40.04 | rrk | those buffalo linkstation pro's with a full debian install are nice |
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| 10:41.17 | Supaplex | I wonder how m-a handles these one off modules after the fact. eg, how do we recompile sata_sis after our changes, and expect it to work? (baring stupid code bugs we add) |
| 10:41.27 | maddash | karsten: hm, never realized that the escape was needed |
| 10:41.46 | karsten | maddash: What's * do, and when's it do it? |
| 10:41.55 | Supaplex | echo * |
| 10:42.21 | maddash | karsten: wildcard. "*" alone is filtered away by bash, whereas "\*" passes it to `find` |
| 10:42.23 | Supaplex | great replacement for ls, when /lib is hosed. |
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| 10:42.27 | karsten | Supaplex: Poor man's 'ls' ;-) |
| 10:42.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know how to extract files or mount a bin/cue image? |
| 10:42.47 | Supaplex | yyup. been stuck there. not a lot of fun. |
| 10:42.49 | maddash | karsten: not really....ls only costs two keytaps... |
| 10:42.50 | karsten | Supaplex: In /proc, it's poor man's ps. |
| 10:42.50 | rrk | i no the feeling i was poking the source trying to figure where to kick it |
| 10:43.07 | karsten | maddash: ldd $( which ls ) |
| 10:43.09 | Supaplex | hehe yea |
| 10:43.13 | karsten | maddash: Now visual disk damage. |
| 10:43.19 | karsten | s/visual/visualize/ |
| 10:43.32 | Supaplex | or a FUBAR libc upgrade |
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| 10:43.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello? :) |
| 10:43.53 | karsten | Supaplex: Sure. Or any of the other 9 libs linked by ls. |
| 10:43.55 | rrk | done that one long distance via ssh |
| 10:44.02 | stick_of_gum | hey, how can i redirect the ftp connection to a subnet machine ? |
| 10:44.19 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: convert it to an iso. mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop file.iso /over/there |
| 10:44.20 | rrk | ssh tunnel |
| 10:44.20 | maddash | karsten: ldd `which echo` |
| 10:44.41 | Supaplex | maddash: echo is internal to $SHELL |
| 10:44.50 | Supaplex | maddash: help help; help echo |
| 10:44.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: How do I convert it to ISO? |
| 10:45.11 | Supaplex | !bin2iso |
| 10:45.23 | maddash | Supaplex: echo /proc/* doesn't list processes... |
| 10:45.38 | karsten | maddash: '*' is expanded by the shell, prior to command execution (man bash or your shell's manpage for the gory details on parameter expansion, precedence, etc), to any matching files. If there _aren't_ any matches, '*' isn't globbed and is passed to the invoked command. '\' escapes '*' and ensures that it isn't globbed. |
| 10:45.44 | Supaplex | maddash: yea, just the pids and a few sundry directories. |
| 10:45.47 | karsten | maddash: Single quotes should also work. |
| 10:46.17 | stick_of_gum | please |
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| 10:46.20 | fredl | any XBOX hackers here by any chance? :) |
| 10:46.22 | Supaplex | Dark_Apostrophe: I don't deal with bin images often. |
| 10:46.25 | stick_of_gum | how can i redirect the ftp connection to a subnet machine ? |
| 10:46.30 | fredl | </offtopic? |
| 10:46.35 | Supaplex | stick_of_gum: that makes no sense |
| 10:46.41 | karsten | maddash: It's also helpful to know that there are staticly linked executables and shells, most notably "sash", which has a whole host of built ins. You should be able to recover a Debian system in most cases with little more than sash. |
| 10:46.41 | Supaplex | subnet machine? |
| 10:46.44 | petemc | stick_of_gum: iptables |
| 10:46.47 | Supaplex | behind nat? |
| 10:47.07 | maddash | karsten: i am khumbled by your kwisdom. |
| 10:47.24 | maddash | karsten: that would require that i install sash ahead of time |
| 10:47.42 | karsten | maddash: Don't know if you were around earlier, but my issues with the shell script I was messing with also largely pertain to shell quoting and expansion. |
| 10:47.48 | karsten | maddash: So do it already then ;-) |
| 10:48.01 | Supaplex | karsten: a few years ago I had a smbfs mount, and I was to lazy to clean up the uid/gid/umask stuff, but I was still logged in when libc or something handling that change when *pewf*. |
| 10:48.15 | karsten | maddash: It's among the first set of packages I add to a new Debian install. |
| 10:48.33 | Supaplex | karsten: since that box was in another state, I uploaded static executables so I could fix the problem :) |
| 10:48.46 | Supaplex | to the smbfs share on that other system hehe. |
| 10:48.50 | karsten | maddash: It pays to know your tools well. There's a couple guys I work with who humble me greatly. |
| 10:48.55 | Dark_Apostrophe | Supaplex: Ok.. |
| 10:49.03 | karsten | Supaplex: Schwing. |
| 10:49.22 | Supaplex | it saved me a weekend trip! |
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| 10:49.26 | karsten | Supaplex: Yeah, I worked out a few methods for installs and recovery basically out of necessity, similar sorts of circumstances. |
| 10:49.51 | maddash | karsten: sash depends on liblock |
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| 10:50.04 | maddash | karsten: *liblockfile |
| 10:50.08 | Supaplex | I don't know |
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| 10:50.15 | Supaplex | er nm that, backlog. |
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| 10:50.33 | karsten | ldd $( which sash ): /usr/bin/ldd: line 161: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file not a dynamic executable |
| 10:50.34 | naoel | another problem. i want to burn .gkrellm to a cd using k3b but it is not accessible in k3b. its a hidden file. any suggestion? |
| 10:50.36 | ElDios | Hi guys.. simple question, does anybody know how t add the dansguardian module to webmin? |
| 10:50.51 | ElDios | looks like there's no precompliled package for debian |
| 10:50.57 | ElDios | right? |
| 10:51.07 | Supaplex | webmin is toast. |
| 10:51.14 | ElDios | XD |
| 10:51.20 | liable | naoel: make the hiddens files viewable in your window manager? |
| 10:51.22 | karsten | !webmin |
| 10:51.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 10:51.34 | ElDios | not for annoying customers :D |
| 10:51.48 | Supaplex | over a year ago. |
| 10:52.01 | naoel | liable: it is not viewable under k3b, so cannot be selected for burning. |
| 10:52.02 | karsten | maddash: That's a Debian / APT packaging dependency, not a linked library. |
| 10:52.06 | pinx | ElDios: is there not a feature within webmin itself to add that? |
| 10:52.17 | liable | naoel: is it viewable from your wm? |
| 10:52.25 | naoel | liable: yes. |
| 10:52.35 | liable | naoel: if it is, then check k3b settings |
| 10:52.36 | rrk | Supaplex did you modify the source on the sis driver? |
| 10:52.46 | naoel | ok |
| 10:52.49 | maddash | karsten: but apt dep is a sufficient condition for linked library dep |
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| 10:52.59 | ElDios | pinx... dunno.. I was just looking for the ready-to-install precompiled package inside apt... and I didn't find it. if there's not I'm going to install it manually |
| 10:53.19 | pinx | eldios - better to log into webmin and look there |
| 10:53.19 | rrk | there was a stucture in there that held to pci id's |
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| 10:53.35 | pinx | ElDios: webmin has it's own way of installing stuff |
| 10:53.44 | ElDios | oke... thnx |
| 10:53.49 | Supaplex | rrk: that was the easy part :) |
| 10:53.59 | naoel | liable: nothing in k3b setting to display hidden files. |
| 10:54.04 | ElDios | Supaplex => Version 1.320 (21 January 2007) |
| 10:54.09 | ElDios | not so toast anyway |
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| 10:54.32 | liable | naoel: eh, sorry, dont have it myself to play |
| 10:54.34 | Supaplex | ElDios: debian obsoleted it. |
| 10:54.50 | liable | ages ago |
| 10:54.54 | ElDios | O_o' |
| 10:54.58 | liable | well, actually |
| 10:55.06 | liable | post sarge |
| 10:55.14 | Supaplex | so says thefactoid. |
| 10:55.14 | naoel | liable: thks anyway. got to go get a bite. will work on this later. bye. |
| 10:55.17 | pinx | Supaplex: debian runs webmin just fine |
| 10:55.25 | rrk | that whole thing was screwy sis swears there driver will do the 965L but i found nothing in their source that says so |
| 10:55.32 | Supaplex | rrk: http://armada.daxal.com/~supaplex/sata_sis.c |
| 10:55.55 | pinx | ElDios: if you have webmin already running, just log in and see what it offers you |
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| 10:56.15 | Supaplex | that's for 2.6.19.1, wont' work in 2.6.18, but I'm compiling it now anyhow. |
| 10:56.22 | Supaplex | rrk: ^^^ |
| 10:56.35 | rrk | ok |
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| 10:57.03 | ElDios | pinx alrady doing that :D I found a 3rd party modules section in webmin homesite |
| 10:57.19 | pinx | ElDios: yep -- there ya go |
| 10:57.53 | ElDios | then the answer is.... "install it by hand" as I thought :D |
| 10:57.57 | ElDios | thnx guys |
| 10:58.01 | ElDios | have a nice weekend |
| 10:58.02 | ElDios | cya |
| 10:58.03 | Supaplex | enjoy |
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| 10:59.53 | DimmuR | can any1 advice me some software for debian for analysing and testing squid configuration? |
| 10:59.56 | rrk | Supaplex the 965L is different from the 965 basicly by id only i think |
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| 11:01.04 | petemc | DimmuR: a browser on a client machine? |
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| 11:05.34 | DimmuR | petemc: if it can show me ip, proxy port and address then doesn't matter |
| 11:05.40 | Supaplex | power flicker-- |
| 11:05.52 | Supaplex | rrk: ugh :-( |
| 11:06.26 | rrk | ok i take it --it didn't work |
| 11:06.44 | Supaplex | !lart Supaplex's local power company |
| 11:06.49 | rrk | and the power kill the compile |
| 11:06.52 | petemc | DimmuR: there are websites that you can visit that would show that info |
| 11:06.59 | Supaplex | oh just everything. |
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| 11:07.17 | SPACE_NINJA | what levels are there? stable testing and? |
| 11:07.39 | petemc | unstable |
| 11:07.56 | k31th | Where is a good place to buy a SSL cert ? |
| 11:07.56 | Zaggynl | endboss level |
| 11:07.57 | SPACE_NINJA | ok |
| 11:08.07 | SPACE_NINJA | so I want testing? |
| 11:08.14 | Supaplex | rrk: rerolling. |
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| 11:08.23 | Zaggynl | testing is good, I use it on my laptop, haven't had any problems |
| 11:08.30 | rrk | ok i'm going to find some tea |
| 11:08.37 | Supaplex | k31th: a CA (certificiate authority) |
| 11:08.37 | SPACE_NINJA | what do you use on your stationary? |
| 11:08.41 | almathea | !greenhouse |
| 11:08.42 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 11:08.55 | Supaplex | rrk: k. |
| 11:08.56 | SPACE_NINJA | hehe |
| 11:08.58 | Haggis | http://www.comodo.com/ k31th |
| 11:09.09 | I-kido | loll good 1 |
| 11:09.11 | almathea | so its truth... |
| 11:09.14 | tenzin_ | haha |
| 11:09.49 | k31th | Supaplex: yes |
| 11:10.07 | almathea | so you guys are gentoo haters? |
| 11:10.15 | tenzin_ | so debian is a environment friendly distro...? |
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| 11:10.27 | hark | !gentoosmite almathea |
| 11:10.30 | cydork | yes :) |
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| 11:11.01 | liable | almathea: no, we just dont talk about it in here |
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| 11:11.03 | Supaplex | k31th: you want a debian specific ssl certificate authority? I guess we're just good chaps to ask. I buy them with my domains so I get cheaper domains. |
| 11:11.48 | almathea | liable: Ive got some not nice comments already, so it is talked about. |
| 11:12.20 | liable | *shrug* |
| 11:12.21 | hark | nah, no one cares .. |
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| 11:12.48 | Supaplex | never mind most of it. it's purely satrical anyway. |
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| 11:13.36 | itchi | FOSDEM tomorrow! :-) |
| 11:13.38 | almathea | ok, then, Ill take you word. But hate for hate. |
| 11:13.45 | rrk | bk |
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| 11:14.11 | Supaplex | you can make your own choice. |
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| 11:14.44 | liable | eek, i was afraid to start aconversation with that person for fear of it becoming a rant. |
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| 11:15.00 | Supaplex | did we break his arm or something? |
| 11:15.23 | valdyn | you dared to make a joke about gentoo? ooo |
| 11:15.48 | liable | he did it, joined, andtriggered dpkg.. |
| 11:15.51 | Supaplex | tell my mama and send me to bed! |
| 11:15.59 | liable | my space key is sucking |
| 11:16.19 | Supaplex | liable: in a kinky way, or just an awry way? |
| 11:16.27 | sepski | liable, explains why your sitting on your keyboard ? |
| 11:16.31 | sepski | :D |
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| 11:17.52 | cydork | hehh |
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| 11:18.16 | Supaplex | !lart liable's sucky spacebar |
| 11:18.23 | Supaplex | haha punny |
| 11:18.29 | liable | hah |
| 11:18.51 | Supaplex | !botsnack |
| 11:18.51 | dpkg | Supaplex: thanks |
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| 11:21.46 | SPACE_NINJA | is this the place to download amd64 isos? I heard debian don't support amdt64 officially, is that right? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 11:23.06 | hark | etch officially does |
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| 11:23.50 | Haggis | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ SPACE_NINJA |
| 11:23.51 | SPACE_NINJA | what's etch? |
| 11:24.03 | dimir | LOL |
| 11:24.19 | dimir | SPACE_NINJA: It's code name for Windows Vista!!! \o/ |
| 11:24.24 | hark | !tell SPACE_NINJA -about releases |
| 11:25.14 | SPACE_NINJA | but is etch the latets? |
| 11:25.15 | HardDisk_WP | a question, what package do I have to install to give apache2 SSL ability? |
| 11:25.16 | hark | !etch |
| 11:25.16 | dpkg | etch is probably the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 11:27.03 | hark | HardDisk_WP: i don't think there's a separate package for that, iirc |
| 11:27.11 | Supaplex | HardDisk_WP: maybe something with mod_ssl in it. see also a2enmod |
| 11:27.15 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 11:27.16 | js_ | what can i use to receive a phone call and run certain programs depending on which numbers the caller presses? |
| 11:27.17 | Haggis | HardDisk_WP, run script apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 11:27.29 | Supaplex | js_: asterisk |
| 11:28.07 | js_ | Supaplex: ah, cool.. what does it require to work? |
| 11:28.18 | petemc | lots of reading |
| 11:28.29 | hark | lots |
| 11:28.33 | cydork | and some hardware.. |
| 11:28.34 | petemc | and head scratching |
| 11:28.40 | js_ | its that hard? |
| 11:28.48 | petemc | its not trivial |
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| 11:29.21 | Crypticfortune | ok, new question: why can't i select 1680x1050 as a screen solution out of the handy gnome "screen resolution" dialogue, even though "1680x1050" is listed as a mode in my xorg.conf? |
| 11:29.25 | shay | if I have a multiple deb sources in source.list(5), and a package is available in the different mirrors, which one is going to be installed? |
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| 11:29.28 | Rippawallet | hey |
| 11:29.31 | Supaplex | js_: asterisk wiki (google it), Asterisk TFOT PDF, and #asterisk are all good resources. |
| 11:29.34 | Rippawallet | terminal wont open |
| 11:29.44 | Rippawallet | yesterday i was messing about with changing host |
| 11:29.45 | SPACE_NINJA | when will etch come out? |
| 11:29.45 | Suprano__ | what means Legacy ? |
| 11:29.48 | Rippawallet | but it didnt work |
| 11:29.53 | js_ | Supaplex: do i need a provider of something for it? the computer will be in a datacenter |
| 11:29.59 | Rippawallet | and now a terminal wont open >.> |
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| 11:30.08 | hark | !when will etch be released |
| 11:30.08 | dpkg | Hold on, let me get some tea leaves... ok, etch should be out by Christmas. |
| 11:30.11 | Supaplex | !tell SPACE_NINJA -about wwer |
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| 11:30.33 | Rippawallet | so, any halp? |
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| 11:31.35 | Rippawallet | js_, can you help? :D |
| 11:31.45 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: have you restarted X since you changed the hostname? |
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| 11:32.04 | Rippawallet | Supaplex, like, restarted my PC? |
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| 11:32.57 | Supaplex | sure, if you can't figure out how to logout and back in... |
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| 11:33.19 | Rippawallet | Supaplex, yeah. |
| 11:33.19 | Supaplex | kde? gnome? something else? |
| 11:33.20 | Rippawallet | I have |
| 11:33.23 | Rippawallet | xfce |
| 11:33.34 | Supaplex | does anything else run? |
| 11:33.39 | valdyn | shay: the one with highest priority, if that is equal, the first |
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| 11:33.40 | Supaplex | just no termal. |
| 11:33.52 | ram____ | in FC4, we use to put startup execute commands in rc.local.. how about in debian, ? |
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| 11:34.06 | Rippawallet | Supaplex, internet doesnt |
| 11:34.09 | hark | !rc.local |
| 11:34.09 | dpkg | rc.local is, like, the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 11:34.10 | Rippawallet | iceweasel |
| 11:34.14 | Rippawallet | or the one that comes with it |
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| 11:34.25 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 11:34.26 | dpkg | well, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 11:34.46 | Supaplex | valdyn: uh thanks for the flood. |
| 11:34.55 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: does the program open? what exactly with the host did you change? |
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| 11:35.17 | Rippawallet | Supaplex, it |
| 11:35.18 | Rippawallet | well |
| 11:35.22 | Rippawallet | in root |
| 11:35.25 | Rippawallet | someone told me to do |
| 11:35.28 | Rippawallet | hostname rippawallet |
| 11:35.30 | valdyn | shay: or your crontab |
| 11:35.30 | Rippawallet | so i did |
| 11:35.33 | Rippawallet | and then |
| 11:35.37 | Sir_Penguin | Hello all :) Just a quick question, can't find it on the site (probably could if i searched a bit more, I'm awful at it though :p). I want to download Debian 3.1 for the i386 arch except the thing is, there's 20 odd binaries, not sure what one to get... Any help would be appreciated :D |
| 11:35.38 | HardDisk_WP | Haggis, bash: apache2-ssl-certificate: command not found |
| 11:35.41 | Rippawallet | i tried to open a new terminal, and it wouldnt :[ |
| 11:35.45 | ram____ | dpkg: i dont see in /etc/rc.boot ? |
| 11:36.24 | liable | ram____: which debian version? |
| 11:36.25 | Supaplex | Sir_Penguin: grab the netinst cd. that's all you should need if you have net access on the machine to install for. |
| 11:36.32 | liable | ram____: dpkg is a bot |
| 11:36.39 | ram____ | 3.1 |
| 11:36.44 | Haggis | HardDisk_WP, i hate info that is incorrect ,sorry m8 |
| 11:36.46 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: ok, cat /etc/hostname |
| 11:36.52 | Rippawallet | where |
| 11:36.57 | valdyn | ram____: rc.boot is not a good place for networked services |
| 11:36.57 | Rippawallet | in terminal? |
| 11:36.58 | liable | ram____: you need to make a script yourself then |
| 11:36.59 | HardDisk_WP | Haggis, k |
| 11:37.01 | Sir_Penguin | Supaplex, I'm not sure if my wireless adapter will be supported and I can almost never connect to my modem :( |
| 11:37.08 | Sir_Penguin | *wireless antenna |
| 11:37.12 | Rippawallet | because i cant open a terminal lol |
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| 11:37.17 | liable | ram____: etch has an rc.local for you redhat people |
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| 11:37.31 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: hit C+A+F1 to swap to a console, and C+A+F7 to come back to X. |
| 11:37.33 | ram____ | yes correct.. how about in debian |
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| 11:37.37 | Rippawallet | hey Supaplex, i did /exec x1-6-00-13-d4-1b-a2-25 |
| 11:37.39 | Rippawallet | i mean |
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| 11:37.49 | valdyn | ram____: what services is it you want to add? |
| 11:37.50 | Rippawallet | /exec cat /etc/hostname |
| 11:38.00 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: ok, that works. |
| 11:38.01 | liable | ram____: erm, i said, you need to make it yourself.. |
| 11:38.06 | Rippawallet | and i got x1-6-00-13-d4-1b-a2-25 |
| 11:38.15 | ram____ | valdyn: i want to run manual script of iptables firewall |
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| 11:38.45 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: ahh, as root you'll need to run host x1-6-00-13-d4-1b-a2-25 to reset it back. hopefully thats what it was before this hiccup. |
| 11:38.48 | SIGFPE | can anyone point me to TFM so I can RTFM on getting apache2.2 and SSL to actually work properly? |
| 11:38.50 | valdyn | ram____: that has to run after networking comes up, rc.local is probably bad for this, rc.boot is bad for this |
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| 11:39.06 | ram____ | valdyn: then ? |
| 11:39.15 | Rippawallet | Supaplex, in a root terminal? |
| 11:39.15 | Supaplex | SIGFPE: use a2enmod |
| 11:39.15 | Rippawallet | or as root account |
| 11:39.18 | ram____ | valdyn: whre should i put. that script ? |
| 11:39.22 | SIGFPE | Supaplex: yes, I've done that |
| 11:39.23 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: root has to run it to modify the hostname. |
| 11:39.28 | Rippawallet | k |
| 11:39.28 | mwe | irc and apt can't resolve names while firefox can. What could be causing that? |
| 11:39.35 | valdyn | ram____: hold on, im sure there's a package that avoids you having to script that much |
| 11:39.41 | sepski | SIGFPE, and ther is a ssl sitefile config example in /usr/share/doc |
| 11:39.55 | ram____ | valdyn: ok.. |
| 11:40.07 | liable | doesnt iptables have a 'save' function? |
| 11:40.15 | Supaplex | SIGFPE: 1m, testing here. |
| 11:40.43 | ram____ | liable: yes it has.. but i want to change the script depends on situation.. so i dont want to save |
| 11:40.45 | Supaplex | liable: iptables-save > saveme.txt |
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| 11:41.03 | valdyn | ram____: that ipmasq package probably, read the description |
| 11:41.15 | liable | ram____: check out /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 11:41.22 | SIGFPE | sepski: yes, saw that as well, tried putting some off it together... there apparently used to be an apache2-ssl-certificate script... did that die? |
| 11:41.30 | SIGFPE | And I was hoping someone could point me towards documentation on this? |
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| 11:41.42 | sepski | SIGFPE, that's replaced by make-ssl-cert |
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| 11:41.55 | SIGFPE | sepski: ah ha, thanks :) |
| 11:42.05 | Rippawallet | hey Supaplex, i chose to use gnome and it all works |
| 11:42.05 | Rippawallet | lol |
| 11:42.06 | ram____ | liable: yes i have read that.. its for services startup.. but just only command execute , where should i put ( in RH i use to put the same thing under rc.local) its just runs |
| 11:42.47 | rrk | ram__ in /etc/ ls |grep rc.* those are your run levels 0-5 2 has network so start it there /etc/init.d is where the script should be look in the rc.X those are link |
| 11:42.50 | liable | ram____: for sarge, i just made a simple bash script that i ran at s99 from init.d |
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| 11:43.01 | rrk | you will get the idea |
| 11:43.03 | SIGFPE | sepski: happen to know what the template is? |
| 11:43.20 | HardDisk_WP | hmpf, installing apache-ssl didnt help, apache2 still dont listen at 443 |
| 11:43.25 | Rippawallet | Supaplex, :]? |
| 11:43.35 | liable | ram____: make a script that does what you want, stick it in /etc/init.d/ and check out man update-rc.d |
| 11:43.37 | Supaplex | SIGFPE: /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
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| 11:43.46 | Supaplex | Rippawallet: cool. |
| 11:43.52 | sepski | SIGFPE, if you just want to creathe a bogus selfsgned ssl cert you can use default-snakeoil |
| 11:44.07 | hark | ram____: or /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 11:44.38 | Supaplex | SIGFPE: most any respecting certificate authority will generate a free 30day one. I'm lazy with my intranet that way. :P |
| 11:44.51 | sepski | SIGFPE, if your going to use that for something real you should get a cert from cacert.org |
| 11:44.57 | valdyn | i wouldnt edit system scripts unless i really have to, but that's just me.. |
| 11:45.17 | SIGFPE | sepski: yes, I'm aware, but it's internal so cacert couldn't ping it to verify :-\ |
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| 11:46.50 | ram____ | hark: thats sounds good.. let me try and get back to you |
| 11:47.11 | hark | probably similar to what you'd expect :) |
| 11:47.15 | hark | !bootmisc |
| 11:47.15 | dpkg | from memory, bootmisc is where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 11:48.40 | ram____ | hark: no its not worked |
| 11:48.42 | rrk | Supaplex when are you around -- i have to go do a dog and pony 90 miles south thsi morning |
| 11:48.58 | disposable | i have about 2000 files with names like this%20is%20a%20filename. is there a renamer that can strip this off or translate it to spaces/underscores? |
| 11:49.22 | valdyn | !mrename |
| 11:49.25 | rrk | its called python |
| 11:49.49 | valdyn | disposable: mmv probably |
| 11:50.08 | liable | ram____: bash -x /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 11:50.15 | liable | for debug |
| 11:50.28 | disposable | valdyn: thank you for the tips |
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| 11:51.45 | jelly-home | !prename |
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| 11:52.28 | jelly-home | ah, it's in perl package. |
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| 11:53.44 | ram____ | liable: what happends when i run that command ? |
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| 11:56.06 | jelly-home | prename 's/(%([0-9A-F]{2}))/pack("C",hex($2))/ge' some%20urlescaped%20filename |
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| 11:56.31 | disposable | jelly-home: are you joking? :) |
| 11:56.37 | jelly-home | disposable: no |
| 11:57.07 | jelly-home | disposable: just tried it on a file called it%27s%20cool |
| 11:57.15 | disposable | jelly-home: what would i need to type in for my 2000 files? |
| 11:57.17 | liable | ram____: it runs the script and gives you line by line output |
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| 11:57.28 | jelly-home | disposable: prename 's/(%([0-9A-F]{2}))/pack("C",hex($2))/ge' * ? :-) |
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| 11:57.37 | ram____ | liable: after i put my script last line of bootmis.sh its works |
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| 11:57.48 | ram____ | great thanks all who supportted to extended support.. |
| 11:58.00 | jelly-home | disposable: NO WARRANTY |
| 11:58.22 | disposable | jelly-home: i'll find you if it erases my /. |
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| 11:58.45 | shay | valdyn, how do I set "priorities" of deb sources? |
| 11:58.49 | jelly-home | disposable: someone more versed in perl could probably shorten the s/.../.../ bit, but this works for me |
| 11:58.53 | liable | ram____: sweet |
| 11:59.10 | disposable | jelly-home: it worked :) thank you |
| 11:59.12 | petemc | ls grep "%20" |perl -e 'while (<STDIN>) { chomp; print "$_\n"; $new = $_; $new =~ s/%20/ /g; print "-> $new\n"; rename($_, $new);}' |
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| 11:59.28 | petemc | forgot a pipe there |
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| 12:00.34 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know how to set up apache 2 with SSL support? |
| 12:00.56 | abrotman | what part are you having trouble with? |
| 12:01.08 | liable | the ssl part! |
| 12:01.19 | petemc | plus the apache part |
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| 12:01.32 | petemc | a combination of the rwo |
| 12:01.33 | petemc | two |
| 12:01.41 | vlt | Hello. How can I substitute all chars _not_ in the range "a-zA-Z0-9" with sed? I tried 's/[^a-zA-Z0-9]//g' but that seems to be wrong ... |
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| 12:01.50 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, I installed apache2, working fine since months. now I began to worry "hmm, why don't I have a SSL server" and installed apache-ssl, but I can't connect via HTTPS |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | petemc: ruh roh george |
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| 12:02.02 | jelly-home | vlt: should work... |
| 12:02.08 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: that'd be .. wrong |
| 12:02.16 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: etch or sarge ? |
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| 12:02.20 | HardDisk_WP | vlt, remove the //g and replace with /g |
| 12:02.20 | Rippawallet | l4wl |
| 12:02.23 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, etch |
| 12:02.37 | liable | apache2 doesnt have apache-ssl does it? |
| 12:02.40 | sepski | HardDisk_WP, edit the site files to use :80, add 443 to ports.conf, make a sitefile with :443 (example in /usr/share/doc) |
| 12:02.46 | sepski | a2enmod the ssl module |
| 12:02.51 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: a2enmod the bah |
| 12:02.52 | sepski | restart apache |
| 12:02.55 | abrotman | not the sheep |
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| 12:03.26 | liable | sheep? where? |
| 12:03.32 | abrotman | i didn't say anything! |
| 12:03.44 | jelly-home | HardDisk_WP: no, s/...//g is ok if he wants to eg. delete |
| 12:03.48 | vlt | HardDisk_WP: Errm, why? |
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| 12:04.12 | jelly-home | vlt: funny, looks like [^...] doesn't work as expected |
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| 12:04.25 | HardDisk_WP | vlt, okay, my mistake |
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| 12:05.00 | vlt | jelly-home: very funny!!11!1! ^^ |
| 12:05.01 | jelly-home | abrotman: what fnord sheep are you talking about? |
| 12:05.10 | abrotman | jelly-home: ask liable |
| 12:05.17 | abrotman | dpkg? |
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| 12:05.21 | abrotman | yay! |
| 12:05.23 | abrotman | !wb dpkg |
| 12:05.25 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 12:05.26 | vlt | jelly-home: Where can I find the regexp syntax used by sed? |
| 12:05.34 | jelly-home | !sheep |
| 12:05.35 | dpkg | sheep go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 12:05.37 | zamuro | dpkg: Kiss me |
| 12:06.14 | liable | jelly-home: http://news.imagethief.com/photos/xinjiang/picture6565.aspx |
| 12:06.19 | liable | sexy! |
| 12:06.29 | liable | just ask Guerin |
| 12:06.50 | jelly-home | vlt: since the manual says "POSIX.2 BREs should be supported", I guess man 7 regex |
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| 12:08.55 | jelly-home | vlt: it works fine, actually... my bad |
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| 12:09.26 | xand | is Icedove meant to have references to "Mozilla Thunderbird" in its dialog boxes? |
| 12:09.42 | valdyn | xand: no |
| 12:09.44 | jelly-home | vlt: sed 's/[^a-zA-Z0-9]//g' removes everything but alphanumerics, I got confused for a bit there |
| 12:09.54 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know what could cause root@www:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 12:09.54 | HardDisk_WP | bash: apache2-ssl-certificate: command not found |
| 12:09.57 | liable | xand: file a bug |
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| 12:09.59 | xand | valdyn: ah well I guess "they" missed some then |
| 12:10.10 | streuner | liable: http://liable.mine.nu/debian/thinkpad_T60p.html <-- dead |
| 12:10.47 | liable | streuner: ya, google has a cache though |
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| 12:11.04 | Crypticfortune | ok, another question: why would my monitor being going to 60hz instead of 75hz at 1680x1050 even though my xorg.conf lists VertRefresh as 56-75? |
| 12:11.10 | liable | streuner: i can hook the box up to my dialup, but ithought i would just wait, its been down for months now |
| 12:11.28 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: is it a LCD? |
| 12:11.46 | streuner | liable: well, send me the files and stuff and i host it for you |
| 12:11.50 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: yeah, a dell E228WFP (running over analog (sadly)) |
| 12:12.03 | vlt | jelly-home: man regex: If the list begins with "^", it matches any single character (but see below) not from the rest of the list |
| 12:12.10 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: you'll probably have a better picture at 60Hz anyway |
| 12:12.16 | vlt | jelly-home: So it should work ... |
| 12:12.16 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: it's not installed or it's not the command |
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| 12:12.28 | vlt | jelly-home: Aah, it works for you ..?!? |
| 12:12.35 | jelly-home | vlt: yes. |
| 12:12.35 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, I know what's going on...the command has been removed for etch |
| 12:12.42 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert |
| 12:12.48 | streuner | liable: there are also some host-sites which are free, limited access, limited spaces... |
| 12:12.48 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, same thing happened with apt-setup... |
| 12:13.07 | Rippawallet | WOWWWWWWWWWW |
| 12:13.13 | liable | streuner: it doesnt get that many hits to bother, gimme 5 and it'll be up |
| 12:13.13 | Rippawallet | #pcw on quakenet has 1600 people |
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| 12:13.14 | Rippawallet | >.> |
| 12:13.26 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: well, the monitor is mis-detecting the resolution at 60hz and scaling the screen funny (even though the other resolutions work fine at 75hz), so i thought i'd try to get it to go 1680x1050 at 75hz |
| 12:13.54 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: if the computed refresh is even a tiny bit above 75Hz, it won't be used... so adjuct the limits in the configuration a bit |
| 12:14.19 | vlt | jelly-home: What does `echo $(head -c 1024 /dev/urandom | sed 's/[^a-zA-Z0-9]//g' | head -c 16)` show you? |
| 12:14.23 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: or remove them altogether and see if X uses DDC values from the monitor |
| 12:14.43 | abrotman | Rippawallet: noone cares .. do you have a debian question? |
| 12:14.48 | Rippawallet | yeah |
| 12:14.57 | Rippawallet | when i got into the full screen terminal |
| 12:14.59 | Rippawallet | how do i exit |
| 12:14.59 | Rippawallet | lol |
| 12:15.32 | Rippawallet | :)? |
| 12:15.34 | Rippawallet | abrotman? |
| 12:15.43 | abrotman | logout |
| 12:15.47 | jelly-home | vlt: some printable characters. |
| 12:15.58 | zamuro | Rippawallet: The fullscreen mode? f11, maybe? |
| 12:16.15 | jelly-home | vlt: try forcing locale environment to C and see what happens |
| 12:16.57 | jelly-home | vlt: unsetting my custom LC_CTYPE makes it print only ASCII alphanumerics as expected |
| 12:17.41 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: oo deleting them entirely did work. however something's still wrong. it's still detecting 1680x1050 as 1280x1024.... |
| 12:18.02 | jelly-home | vlt: or just use pwgen -s 16 1 :-) |
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| 12:18.09 | vlt | jelly-home: You're right. Setting LANG=C works. Weird. |
| 12:18.22 | vlt | jelly-home: That's what I was really looking for ;-) |
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| 12:18.30 | vlt | jelly-home: Thank you. |
| 12:18.31 | jelly-home | vlt: sounds like sed is acting smart. |
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| 12:20.28 | vlt | jelly-home: sed seems to be toooooo smart ;-) |
| 12:21.11 | jelly-home | vlt: apparently so |
| 12:21.55 | jelly-home | vlt: I use pwgen or makepasswd... pwgen is shorter to type ;-) |
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| 12:23.37 | jay__ | python-mode gives recursive call to sb-info error |
| 12:23.43 | okuz | hello, i just installed debian and i have only 800x600 resolution and its pretty annoying, how can i change it ? |
| 12:23.45 | jay__ | in emacs |
| 12:23.50 | xand | emacs-- |
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| 12:24.46 | tenzin_ | okuz: may be you have to reconfigure your xorg |
| 12:25.21 | okuz | tenzin_, how? i'm still a newbie |
| 12:26.06 | tenzin_ | okuz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 12:27.33 | okuz | tenzin_, i got debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
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| 12:27.57 | liable | arg, just screwed my servers network config, now i need to find a monitor |
| 12:28.43 | Grub_Now | okuz: you got apt-* running? |
| 12:28.55 | xand | liable: serial console ftw |
| 12:28.56 | Garda | Slayer XP: is spamming |
| 12:29.03 | tenzin_ | Grub_Now: hi .. |
| 12:29.11 | Grub_Now | tenzin_: hello :) |
| 12:29.28 | Crypticfortune | hmmm after trying a few more resolutions, im confused. i have an intel Q965 chipset (using i810 drivers) and it doesnt detect my possible resolutions correctly. i can tweak the list of reported resolutions using 915resolution, but when i try to use those X always makes them 60hz and then the monitor doesnt detect them correctly |
| 12:29.35 | liable | xand: i have been meaning to get around to getting the cables.. |
| 12:29.42 | liable | s/s// |
| 12:30.14 | abrotman | isn't there some i915resolution tool ? |
| 12:30.23 | tenzin_ | okuz: may be you have another dpkg-reconfigure running |
| 12:30.35 | abrotman | !info 915resolution etch |
| 12:30.39 | dpkg | 915resolution: (resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset), section x11, is extra. Version: 0.5.2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 12:30.57 | okuz | Grub_Now, i have XFree86 |
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| 12:31.22 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: yeah, that's what im using, but X always makes the modified resolutions 60hz and then the LCD doesnt display it right |
| 12:31.56 | abrotman | oh |
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| 12:32.11 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: (at least im guessing it's the 60hz factor. it could be that 915resolution isnt working right for my chipset...) |
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| 12:33.25 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: on mine, all the default modes come up as 75hz and they work...(but they're scaled funny because they're 4:3 not 16:9) |
| 12:33.42 | Crypticfortune | stupid widescreen lcd.... |
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| 12:35.29 | fredl | hey guys, I'm trying to download a torrent from within firefox, but it seems I messed up something coz it says the application associated to that filetype doesn't exist. |
| 12:36.03 | zamuro | have you associated already? |
| 12:36.08 | fredl | so when I go into Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> File Types -> Manage |
| 12:36.13 | SlayerXP | fredl: please state your debian-specific question after the tone. *beeep* |
| 12:36.29 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: send it to me! |
| 12:36.31 | fredl | Then all I see in there is an SPL association. |
| 12:36.42 | fredl | but no button to 'add' anything. |
| 12:36.59 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: heheh i might trade you if i could, but it belongs to my lab =p |
| 12:37.45 | abrotman | they'll never notice! |
| 12:37.54 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: though mine is attached to a laptop :) |
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| 12:38.42 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: you could send me the laptop ^^ |
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| 12:42.40 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: no .. sorry .. just the screen :) |
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| 12:43.18 | jochus | hello, can somebody provide me a link or something like that with information about apt-get? Im not interested in the using of it, I want to know how it works and how they developped it |
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| 12:43.31 | jochus | google always gives me information about HOW TO USE :p |
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| 12:43.42 | dondelelcaro | jochus: use the source, luke. |
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| 12:43.51 | jochus | apt-get source apt |
| 12:43.54 | jochus | I did ... but |
| 12:43.58 | jochus | I don't get it :( |
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| 12:45.53 | FlopsyPete | What does ipw2100-source do that ipw2100-modules-* doesn't do? |
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| 12:47.02 | Crypticfortune | hmm, so i found this note about someone else whose dell monitor is incorrectly reporting valid synch rates: http://tinyurl.com/38cy3d but the "NoMaxPClkCheck" thing doesnt work for me. it still thinks it cant do it. |
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| 12:47.37 | Crypticfortune | anyone familiar with overriding that stuff in xorg.conf? |
| 12:47.37 | Noboru | anyone is awake ? |
| 12:47.51 | Crypticfortune | Noboru: yup |
| 12:47.59 | Noboru | hi there |
| 12:48.12 | Noboru | can i just download debian-netinstall.iso ? |
| 12:49.24 | HardDisk_WP | a question: how can I make a certificate created by $ sudo openssl req -new -x509 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem \ |
| 12:49.25 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.26 | Crypticfortune | that's what i did |
| 12:49.34 | HardDisk_WP | being signed by CAcert? |
| 12:49.49 | HardDisk_WP | i think I need some .csr file, how to create it? |
| 12:50.05 | Noboru | can i install debian with just that netinstall.iso ? |
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| 12:50.23 | HardDisk_WP | Noboru, yes |
| 12:50.38 | HardDisk_WP | but I would suggest doing this only with a DSL connection |
| 12:50.52 | Noboru | i have dsl |
| 12:51.05 | Noboru | i mean, i only want to install a basic debian system |
| 12:51.16 | Noboru | after that,i download whatever thing i need by then |
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| 12:51.29 | Noboru | shall i go for netinstall.iso ? |
| 12:51.30 | Crypticfortune | Noboru: exactly |
| 12:52.27 | xand | Noboru: yes |
| 12:52.28 | Noboru | thanks.downloading. |
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| 12:57.26 | abre | im using etch, and using the make-ssl-cert script, however i want to provide my own information for the certificate to make it look a bit more reputable. how do i go about doing this? |
| 12:57.57 | petemc | abre: it doesnt prompt you for information? |
| 12:58.06 | abre | nope |
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| 12:59.49 | abre | i presume its meant to then |
| 12:59.56 | Noboru | how long does it last untill by then that sarge loses support from debian team officially ? |
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| 13:01.09 | petemc | Noboru: they stopped security updates for woody a year after sarge released |
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| 13:01.52 | Noboru | i see |
| 13:02.23 | Ber | Hy, I put an symlink to a directory containing a module into /lib/modules/<Kernel>/ and added the modules name into the /etc/module - but the module will not load during booting, whats wrong? |
| 13:03.04 | tarzeau | Ber: error msg? |
| 13:03.20 | Ber | no error msg |
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| 13:03.32 | tarzeau | Ber: can you load it with modprobe ? |
| 13:03.35 | Ber | (when I try to load it it says: Module not found) |
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| 13:05.18 | sidjster | hey stones |
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| 13:07.10 | OGl | im having a problem with flash player, youtube videos without sound, ive read in some discussion boards i should get alsa-oss but no sucess :/, any sugestion? |
| 13:07.12 | liable | !ping |
| 13:07.13 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:07.40 | Ber | tarzeau: When I try to load it it says: Module not found |
| 13:08.12 | abrotman | OGl: turn up the mixer levels ? |
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| 13:09.11 | OGl | abrotman yep |
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| 13:12.59 | tristano | hello, i've a trouble. when i unmount my usb pen, it remount byself! |
| 13:13.02 | tarzeau | OGl: which flash plugin? |
| 13:13.08 | xand | tristano: unplug it! |
| 13:13.12 | tarzeau | OGl: check with about:plugins , the version number |
| 13:13.34 | tristano | xand: theorically, it must stay unmounted... |
| 13:14.06 | OGl | oh, let me ee |
| 13:14.09 | tristano | (i use kde) |
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| 13:16.06 | OGl | Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 |
| 13:16.07 | tarzeau | OGl: i also have that problem |
| 13:16.26 | OGl | geez |
| 13:17.36 | abrotman | i thought flash9 used alsa |
| 13:18.07 | Firestarter- | yeah I had problems with Flash 9 had to switch back to 7 |
| 13:18.25 | Firestarter- | Defienetly don't work with KDE |
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| 13:19.17 | OGl | abrotman do u have flash 9? |
| 13:19.35 | sidjster | i use flash 9 with kde |
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| 13:19.48 | sidjster | and gnome |
| 13:19.48 | abrotman | OGl: in some of my browsers |
| 13:20.29 | Firestarter- | sidjster: what did you do to get it working in kde and what browser? |
| 13:20.35 | OGl | and u dont have problems with sound? |
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| 13:20.44 | abrotman | i don't tink so |
| 13:21.13 | selim | hi, I would need some help for my dist-upgrade from sarge to etch |
| 13:21.14 | sidjster | konqueror |
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| 13:21.30 | Ronin | !tell selim about sarge->etch |
| 13:21.37 | Ronin | doh |
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| 13:22.47 | hark | OGl: Flash 9 would requires alsa. So make sure that is working fine.. |
| 13:22.53 | selim | I've changed all the sources to etch and made a update and a dist-upgrade afterwards, the whole list was downloaded and installed I even got the questions for some configuration afterwards but after that I tried to install php5 and got a great list of undone configurations does anyone know what this could be? |
| 13:22.55 | hark | -s |
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| 13:23.41 | sidjster | selim what kernel? |
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| 13:24.17 | selim | sidjster: just one moment |
| 13:24.41 | hark | run dpkg --configure -a |
| 13:24.56 | cortex_ | I have started installation of etch on a server, and on running debootstrap i get an apt key verification error. What can I do to import the correct archive key, as apt-key and friends are not available? |
| 13:25.15 | selim | sidjster: 2.6.8-3.686 |
| 13:26.22 | selim | hark: was that for me? |
| 13:27.19 | sidjster | slelem apt-get install 2.6.18 |
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| 13:27.43 | sidjster | or what ever |
| 13:27.53 | zamuro | Pobrecitos, vale... ¿No tienen real para comprar ropa? Todos salen en las fotos así como faltos de real pa la ropa... |
| 13:27.59 | zamuro | Sorry... |
| 13:28.00 | zamuro | LOL |
| 13:28.02 | sidjster | english |
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| 13:28.15 | zamuro | sidjster: I know... sorry bout that. |
| 13:28.33 | zamuro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc <-- Windows vista voice recognition rofl |
| 13:29.16 | hark | selim: yes, and do an aptitude update/dist-upgrade as well |
| 13:29.45 | FlopsyPete | What does ipw2100-source do that ipw2100-modules-* doesn't do? |
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| 13:30.38 | selim | hark: again, afterwards or only once before? |
| 13:30.48 | cortex_ | Ok, so it seems I hit the etch archive key problem, is there any way I can add the key manually or do i have to rerun the installation? |
| 13:30.49 | sidjster | he already did dist-upgrade |
| 13:31.03 | selim | sidjster: thank you |
| 13:31.16 | sidjster | he has no linux image |
| 13:31.37 | sidjster | apt-get install linux-image 2.6.18 |
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| 13:32.33 | selim | sidjster: it may be a stupid questions, but what is linux-image? |
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| 13:33.38 | abrotman | selim: linux kernel package |
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| 13:33.57 | abrotman | yay bots! |
| 13:34.10 | hark | wb |
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| 13:34.37 | selim | abrotman: but only kernel, correct? |
| 13:34.45 | hark | selim: sorry, a bit busy here, but what did you mean by undone configurations? |
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| 13:35.10 | abrotman | selim: what else are you looking for ? |
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| 13:35.40 | selim | hark: that my aptitude or dpkg keeps telling me <package name> is not configured yet, if I try to configure them I get the same message for another package |
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| 13:36.14 | Grub_Now | lol |
| 13:36.17 | valdyn | selim: dpkg --configure -a |
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| 13:36.41 | hark | selim: the dpkg configure not help? |
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| 13:39.02 | selim | hark: I've not tested it yet, but I will try the dpkg --configure -a now |
| 13:39.16 | sidjster | power went out shut down my sid boxes now one wont shutdown dammit |
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| 13:44.57 | Crypticfortune | did nscd get replaced by something else in etch? why do i have no nscd? |
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| 13:48.29 | Crypticfortune | nvm *^^* |
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| 13:49.14 | TolstoyInlove | Crypticfortune, http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch |
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| 13:49.57 | Noboru | can i ask a cpu issue ? |
| 13:50.34 | ewanm89 | Noboru: Just Ask! |
| 13:51.58 | Noboru | oklien, do you think the new intel made pentium D CPU can do server works? |
| 13:51.58 | jetscreamer | why couldn't it |
| 13:51.59 | Noboru | such like some basic httpd,database services and so on. |
| 13:51.59 | ewanm89 | Noboru: Why couldn't it? |
| 13:51.59 | Noboru | if so,how come the Xeon <in the same class in this topic> is still that expensive ? |
| 13:51.59 | jetscreamer | !say why couldn't it |
| 13:51.59 | dpkg | why couldn't it |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | !pal Gnea |
| 13:52.05 | tarzeau | Noboru: because it still sells? |
| 13:52.14 | Muisje | Noboru, i'm running a server on an AMD athlon XP 2200+ |
| 13:52.16 | Muisje | So... |
| 13:52.24 | ewanm89 | Noboru: So intel make money |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | Noboru: additional cache for starters |
| 13:52.31 | jetscreamer | because the xeon is certified for smp |
| 13:52.35 | jetscreamer | and cache |
| 13:52.52 | Muisje | xeons should stop sucking up way too much power |
| 13:52.52 | ewanm89 | Noboru: My server runs on a AMD Sempron! |
| 13:53.03 | selim | is there another change to be made when I want to change the static ip of my machine? I've tried to change the ip in /etc/networking/interfaces isn't that enough? |
| 13:53.26 | selim | I changed it and it won't come up again |
| 13:53.31 | Noboru | a friend of mine who manages a site,he told me last night that his Xeon server has less,say much less cpu usage compare to the pentium D one,i doubt that but he shown me the pic comes from screensnap. |
| 13:53.33 | Muisje | selim, ifdown ifup |
| 13:53.43 | jetscreamer | selim: it 'should' be enough |
| 13:53.52 | jetscreamer | what Muisje said |
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| 13:54.27 | jetscreamer | his xeon is 'probably' a dualie at least |
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| 13:55.05 | Muisje | jetscreamer xeons tend to suck up around 150 watt each |
| 13:55.08 | Noboru | exactly, dual xeon 2.8 |
| 13:55.19 | Noboru | i forgot to mention that,sorry. |
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| 13:55.41 | abrotman | selim: yes .. that's enough |
| 13:56.11 | liable | i have... ppp0 active, masquerading to ath0 which is acting through hostapd, to serve as an access point. when i bring up eth0 on the box, it cant ping the other network. clues? |
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| 13:56.15 | Muisje | Remember, Data Centers in America are responsible for 2 % of the power consumption, it's as much as all televisions consume (in america of course) |
| 13:56.19 | sidjster | skype any good? |
| 13:56.24 | justin | sidjster: no |
| 13:56.31 | sidjster | dang |
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| 13:56.57 | zamuro | rotflmao @ lonelyterrorist15 |
| 13:57.23 | Muisje | Thanks to xeon processors alot of DC's are considering or are already letting the owner pay for server power comsumption |
| 13:58.05 | Muisje | Intel should consider to be more affective with less power, instead of using more power to achieve new technologies. |
| 13:58.42 | TolstoyInlove | Crypticfortune, it's in testing repository: http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/nscd |
| 13:59.02 | sidjster | whoever comes up with a cooling technique will make a million dollars |
| 13:59.18 | Noboru | Muisje, they are doing it,i heard they released core 2 serial cpu which save 60% approxiemately. |
| 13:59.25 | sidjster | blowing hot air on a hot chip dosent work |
| 13:59.49 | sidjster | only reason for multiple processors is heat |
| 14:00.11 | Muisje | Noboru, they aren't doing it, they do try but fail enourmously |
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| 14:00.44 | Noboru | oh |
| 14:00.54 | abrotman | Muisje: you could buy Via powered servers i suppose |
| 14:01.27 | Noboru | Muisje, but how about amd's ? i mean their server cpu ,i.e. opeteron 146 ,which runs at very low ghz but costs more than a althon XP |
| 14:01.31 | justin | sidjster: http://www.sun.com/servers/coolthreads/t2000/ |
| 14:01.55 | Gathond | abrotman: I'm not entirely convinced they are better .. since you would need approximately 20 times as many:) if the performance of my C3 1 Ghz is the benchmark |
| 14:01.56 | Noboru | yeah i know althon xp is for desktop but still i dont get why opteron costs more. |
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| 14:02.15 | Gathond | abrotman: of cause that depends on whether your application is bound by some other limit than CPU power |
| 14:02.16 | Muisje | Noboru, AMD's tend to use less power and are on longterms alot cheaper than Intel. |
| 14:02.18 | jetscreamer | certified for mp |
| 14:02.23 | saintiss | hi |
| 14:02.23 | jetscreamer | and cache |
| 14:02.25 | saintiss | how can I check if X is using defoma? |
| 14:02.46 | smiler | Noboru: more cache perhaps? i dont know much about those opterons through |
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| 14:03.35 | jetscreamer | you want a core duo anyway so quit asking :) |
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| 14:03.59 | jetscreamer | get an E6300 or so maybe |
| 14:03.59 | Noboru | if you insist that would be the size of L2 cache issue ....intel pentium D 915 has 4MB L2 cache but it costs much much less than an old Xeon. |
| 14:04.13 | Muisje | I think technologies should be based more on lower power consumption. Less power = more stability |
| 14:04.21 | abrotman | Gathond: i'm assuming performance is less of an issue than heat/power |
| 14:04.23 | Noboru | although that old xeon has only 512kb L2 cache |
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| 14:04.33 | abrotman | Muisje: they are not |
| 14:04.35 | jetscreamer | some have 512 some have 1gb |
| 14:04.45 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 14:04.52 | Muisje | abrotman, i'm saying they should. |
| 14:04.54 | fireba11 | Muisje: they are discussing how to calculate a speed/power value right now |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | Muisje: i meant about amd vs intel |
| 14:05.28 | jetscreamer | (or was it 256/512) |
| 14:05.30 | Muisje | abrotman i'm not saying AMD isn't doing the same as intel |
| 14:05.36 | valdyn | Noboru: opteron already costs more just b/c its marketed at servers |
| 14:06.21 | Muisje | I just think company's should become more aware of end-user power consumption |
| 14:06.21 | jetscreamer | 512/1024 |
| 14:06.43 | Noboru | valdyn, i know,but i dont know if that is due to the marketing at all or no. |
| 14:06.47 | Muisje | and not end up in discussions but affectively. |
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| 14:07.17 | fireba11 | Muisje: i'm only buying athlon64x2 EE versions right now .. that is a nice step together with a efficient power supply to cut down on power cunsumption |
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| 14:08.07 | Muisje | fireba11, if your PSU cuts down power consumption, your processors won't be as fast as they are suppose to be. |
| 14:08.20 | Gathond | Muisje: that will only happen if end users start caring about it |
| 14:08.44 | Gathond | otherwise it will just bankrupt whatever company does it |
| 14:08.53 | valdyn | Muisje: there's plenty energy efficient solutions for end users, its their choice |
| 14:08.53 | Muisje | Gathond, imagine if technologies keep expanding like this with more power consumption yearly. |
| 14:09.26 | fireba11 | Muisje: if i use a PSU with efficiency of about 80% i use less power than with one of 75% efficiency .. what's your point ? |
| 14:09.28 | sidjster | i love my 650watt psu :) global warming rocks |
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| 14:09.36 | Gathond | Muisje: I do actually think its leveling of at the moment, but yes |
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| 14:10.32 | fireba11 | it's frightening enough that "80+" meaning efficiency qualifies as a marketing label ... it's still desastrous low |
| 14:11.02 | Muisje | All i want to say is that More Power isn't the correct way to achieve more. |
| 14:11.15 | sidjster | more power rocks |
| 14:11.56 | fireba11 | sidjster: quit trolling |
| 14:12.14 | valdyn | maybe there's a #physics channel |
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| 14:12.37 | sidjster | trolling? dont you catch fish like that? |
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| 14:13.15 | Noboru | so i do not really need scsi hdd to do server works ? |
| 14:13.22 | valdyn | Noboru: nope |
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| 14:13.39 | fireba11 | Noboru: not at all |
| 14:13.40 | sidjster | coming for the guy that spells disaster |
| 14:13.49 | fireba11 | btw hi valdyn :-D |
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| 14:14.17 | Noboru | i see |
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| 14:14.48 | Noboru | so i can just just desktop specs to do server works ,cuz they are improved a lot nowadays right |
| 14:14.59 | valdyn | Noboru: nope |
| 14:15.08 | Noboru | oh? |
| 14:15.10 | brejoc | hi everybody |
| 14:15.39 | valdyn | Noboru: server means 'offering a service', that's not in itself bound to any technical requireements at all, your mobile phone could be a decent server for a few things |
| 14:15.56 | fireba11 | Noboru: you need to keep in mind those aren't intended for 24/7/365 use and will fail faster ... but you need redundancy and/or backups anywy |
| 14:16.02 | ewanm89 | Noboru: Any computer can do server stuff. Hardware depends on the number of hits your looking at.. |
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| 14:16.41 | Noboru | fireba11, really that serious ? for example a scsi hdd is really different ? |
| 14:16.49 | valdyn | Noboru: no |
| 14:17.00 | valdyn | Noboru: scsi disks don't last longer. |
| 14:17.07 | sidjster | fireball is way over dramatic |
| 14:17.15 | fireba11 | Noboru: not considderably .. about 10-15% |
| 14:17.39 | fireba11 | Noboru: every HD might fail so it doesn#t really make a difference |
| 14:18.06 | Noboru | I see. |
| 14:18.06 | jetscreamer | some brands fail more than others (maxtor) |
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| 14:18.12 | justin | http://labs.google.com/papers/disk_failures.pdf |
| 14:18.26 | sidjster | fireball just wants to sound smart if you run a scsi in 100 degree heat its gonna die |
| 14:18.37 | fireba11 | jetscreamer: hehe .. true .. but i won't say brand but series .. got some old IBM running 24/7 for 10 yeras now ... |
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| 14:18.59 | ewanm89 | Noboru: They just give faster access times of IDE. A SATA Raid array is more in keeping with servers but they can run of standard IDE drives. |
| 14:19.00 | valdyn | Noboru: there's disk types with more and some with less moving parts, there's good and low quality disks, that's not related directly to the interface |
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| 14:19.10 | fireba11 | sidjster: statistically speaking they WILL fail faster .. the difference doesn't matter practically though |
| 14:19.15 | ram____ | does any one help me installing Debian on HP R class 9000 series |
| 14:19.21 | justin | http://www.usenix.org/events/fast07/tech/schroeder/schroeder_html/index.html |
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| 14:19.27 | justin | fireba11: Noboru see links I just posted |
| 14:19.29 | sidjster | ok |
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| 14:19.45 | Noboru | ok |
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| 14:25.14 | Noboru | justin, very good page. |
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| 14:27.06 | stoned | hello boyos! |
| 14:27.22 | sidjster | hey stoned |
| 14:27.28 | sidjster | wish i was |
| 14:27.44 | ram____ | here any one sucess installing Debian on HP R class servers ? |
| 14:27.46 | stoned | I just got out of bed and bathroom |
| 14:27.52 | ram____ | iam having problem with that |
| 14:27.55 | stoned | now I am ready to get baking |
| 14:27.57 | saint-takeshi | i just ordered a radeon 9250, and i was wondering if there's any known problems with ATI cards under linux, and whether i'm better using the proprietary drivers or the open ones? |
| 14:28.17 | sidjster | 9800 pro seems fine here |
| 14:28.20 | stoned | saint-takeshi: I don' tkonw about that particular one |
| 14:28.25 | saint-takeshi | i'va always used nvidia cards in the past |
| 14:28.26 | stoned | saint-takeshi: I own an X1900XTX |
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| 14:28.54 | stoned | saint-takeshi: this is my first ATI card ever, and OSS drivers will not run this card. I have to use fglrx |
| 14:29.25 | stoned | saint-takeshi: fglrx sucks. Cards are great, drivers are the problem. If you are still able to, cancel your order and get yourself an nvidia which is less headache |
| 14:29.47 | tarzeau | ack to stoned |
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| 14:30.02 | stoned | actually the windows drivers are not ad |
| 14:30.03 | MatBoy | what package do I need to install of java to run a .jar on my desktop ? |
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| 14:30.16 | stoned | I can use HDR + AA + AF simultaneously |
| 14:30.18 | tarzeau | MatBoy: see /topic ? |
| 14:30.42 | stoned | Oblivion looks sweet on this card, and it has a higher minimum average FPS for oblivion over any other nvidia card in the 200$ range |
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| 14:30.46 | saint-takeshi | hmm...i'm hoping to use it for gaming, will i need to install the drivers in Cedega? |
| 14:30.46 | MatBoy | tarzeau, If I knew, I wouldn't ask |
| 14:31.04 | tarzeau | MatBoy: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallJava |
| 14:31.04 | orzel | hello. The vserver-kernel is broken in etch, and i'm switching to the one in sid. Does anybody here knows how stable this one is ? and why a known-to-be-broken vserver-kernel has been in etch for so long ? |
| 14:31.05 | stoned | saint-takeshi: fglrx + cedega should be alright |
| 14:31.20 | MatBoy | tarzeau, thanks ! |
| 14:31.26 | stoned | orzel: file a bug report? |
| 14:31.37 | MatBoy | is it a good idea maybe to make something like !wiki package ? |
| 14:31.48 | stoned | orzel: don't just get the sid package, you backport it maybe |
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| 14:32.03 | stoned | !install java |
| 14:32.03 | dpkg | i heard install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 14:32.04 | saint-takeshi | ah, good it's just for gaming and teaching myself blender, i'm not wanting to use d desktops or anything |
| 14:32.21 | stoned | or actually its in non-free |
| 14:32.23 | stoned | isn't it |
| 14:32.31 | orzel | stoned: i dont really know what the problem is. but people on #vserver (other irc network) all seem to say it's known stuff. It froze my server several time. |
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| 14:32.45 | stoned | orzel: file a bug |
| 14:33.01 | stoned | if possible, help to resolve the bug to get it working faster |
| 14:33.06 | MatBoy | stoned, :) |
| 14:33.13 | orzel | stoned: i want the more stable one, how can i know which one is best ? backports/etch/sid//.. ? who could be able to tell me? |
| 14:33.14 | stoned | is it a debian package specific bug? you think |
| 14:33.32 | stoned | orzel: not me surely. I don't know what vserver is |
| 14:33.39 | orzel | i think yes. i'm using vserver on ~10 other (gentoo) computer with no problem. |
| 14:33.56 | orzel | the problem is that the debian package doesn't say which vserver patch version they are using. so i can't really compare. |
| 14:34.13 | stoned | !tell orzel -about simple sid backport |
| 14:34.22 | orzel | stoned: a patch to the kernel to support virtual server. |
| 14:34.30 | stoned | try to build the vserver from the sid's source package |
| 14:34.40 | stoned | I dunno beyond that |
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| 14:34.51 | stoned | wait here and try again later when someone knows about your problem |
| 14:34.55 | orzel | i've installed the one package from sid, and it installs fine. i just need to reboot. |
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| 14:36.16 | stoned | orzel: if you believe it is a debian specific bug/problem then don't forget to report it |
| 14:39.03 | orzel | they use a broken patch. which makes me wonder, which patch is used in sid.. ? |
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| 14:41.19 | dazjorz | Hi again |
| 14:41.27 | dazjorz | How do I now fomat a partition to FFS? ^_^ |
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| 14:44.01 | sergiu | hello, how can i change the languages with the left-win key, it's seems i need to edit xorg.conf |
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| 14:44.31 | stoned | orzel: why don't you patch it yourself |
| 14:44.41 | stoned | then create yourself a deb package |
| 14:45.42 | orzel | i'm not used to debian, i dont know how to do this 'the right way' in a perfect secure manner |
| 14:46.19 | orzel | funnily, i used debian on this server because i didn't want the 'do-it-yourself' way of gentoo (that i usually use) |
| 14:46.40 | orzel | and now i need to do it myself, but it's harder than on gentoo. (i just compile my kernel and put in /boot) |
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| 14:46.56 | sergiu | hello all |
| 14:46.56 | jetscreamer | !kp-mantra |
| 14:46.56 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean && make-kpkg --revision=$(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. Add MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.3 CC=gcc-3.3" before each command if you're building an older kernel |
| 14:47.07 | stoned | orzel: you use gentoo on servers? |
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| 14:47.22 | stoned | orzel: no offence, but whats wrong with you? |
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| 14:47.46 | sergiu | can i use debian with xfce ? |
| 14:47.53 | stoned | sergiu: absolutely |
| 14:47.55 | orzel | stoned: nothing. on the contrary, i'm fine with that. |
| 14:48.03 | stoned | sergiu: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 14:48.23 | orzel | stoned: any problem in particular you see ? some security issue maybe? |
| 14:48.26 | stoned | orzel: oh I forgot a smiley, it was a joke |
| 14:48.32 | scv | it's time to... |
| 14:48.54 | stoned | !stoned |
| 14:49.02 | stoned | wtf is with the bot |
| 14:49.16 | jetscreamer | !pal stoned |
| 14:49.27 | stoned | did the bot forget me or something? |
| 14:49.31 | stoned | dpkg hi |
| 14:49.31 | dpkg | hi |
| 14:49.33 | jetscreamer | don redid the factoid db cleaning it up |
| 14:49.45 | jetscreamer | he does that like every year or two i think |
| 14:49.52 | jetscreamer | and then it's weird |
| 14:49.54 | stoned | well it needs to be done too |
| 14:49.54 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 14:50.02 | stoned | so what up grampa? :D |
| 14:50.06 | stoned | hehe |
| 14:50.23 | sidjster | very nice stoned i saw the blank page a few days ago |
| 14:50.26 | jetscreamer | last time he redid the db, this bastardized version came out: |
| 14:50.29 | stoned | !stoned |
| 14:50.34 | jetscreamer | !rontfs |
| 14:50.34 | stoned | dude what in the shit! |
| 14:50.39 | jetscreamer | !ro-ntfs |
| 14:50.42 | jetscreamer | damn |
| 14:50.49 | jetscreamer | even more bastardized |
| 14:50.54 | stoned | !listkeys stoned |
| 14:50.55 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'stoned' by key (4): you're stoned ;; #debian stoned ;; _default stoned ;; stoned. |
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| 14:50.58 | jetscreamer | !listkeys rontfs |
| 14:51.00 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rontfs' by key returned no results. |
| 14:51.05 | jetscreamer | !listkeys ro-ntfs |
| 14:51.06 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ro-ntfs' by key (4): #debian ro-ntfs ;; #debian-bots ro-ntfs ;; ro-ntfs ;; _default ro-ntfs. |
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| 14:51.15 | dazjorz | !listkeys ffs |
| 14:51.16 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ffs' by key (12): #debian ffs copy ;; _default ffs ;; debian's stuffs ;; kndffs ;; _default ffs copy ;; ffs copy ;; jffs ;; diffserv ;; ffs ;; _default diffserv ;; #debian ffs ;; ffs #DEL#. |
| 14:51.19 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-ro |
| 14:51.23 | jetscreamer | zomg |
| 14:51.25 | dazjorz | !ff |
| 14:51.25 | dpkg | it has been said that ff is hexadecimal for 255 |
| 14:51.26 | dazjorz | !ffs |
| 14:51.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 14:51.29 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 14:51.30 | dpkg | msg the bot is, like, please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 14:51.33 | dazjorz | Fast File System :) |
| 14:51.42 | dazjorz | How do I format a partition for FFS |
| 14:51.43 | hark | !bot abuse |
| 14:51.44 | dpkg | Leave me alone.. I feel abused and molested. |
| 14:51.58 | xand | er |
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| 14:52.59 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org <-- new crappy logo and a crappy calendar for fun, going to remove it, it is useless and I removed the pagefiller latin text fixed the menus, and now today I work on one menu, home/about, and music. |
| 14:53.22 | stoned | Hopefully after the weekend I shall be done with all that, and then I can concentrate on the debian menu |
| 14:53.23 | chemaja | AFAIK, in Gnome 2.14 (ie. Etch) you should (?) be able to right-click a file and choose Open with Other Application menu-item to permanently change the mimetype-to-application association (eg. change .html files from epiphany to iceweasel). Is this true? Or am I doing it all wrong? |
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| 14:53.44 | stoned | chemaja: sounds like it |
| 14:54.10 | hark | chemaja: properties and open with.. |
| 14:54.12 | chemaja | stoned, ok. can anyone test this for me on their Etch's Gnome 2.14.3? |
| 14:54.19 | jetscreamer | chemaja: try update-alternatives |
| 14:54.38 | stoned | update-alternatives --config sensible-browser |
| 14:54.46 | stoned | I think or debian-sessnible browser |
| 14:54.49 | stoned | I can't remember |
| 14:54.54 | jetscreamer | i never learned all that, i just do --all |
| 14:54.55 | chemaja | hark, yours is correct (open with) |
| 14:55.07 | h3sp4wn | x-www-browser affects some things |
| 14:55.43 | hark | there's galternatives for a GUI |
| 14:55.43 | chemaja | hark, except now Gnome is being retarded because the contents of the file seem to be XML but the file extension is .html and the only option it gives me is to Cancel! |
| 14:55.56 | chemaja | i probably have to futz around in gconf-editor or something |
| 14:55.57 | chemaja | grr |
| 14:55.59 | CrakeHunter | hello, if theres a testing version for debian4, wheren can i get it? |
| 14:56.04 | hark | well, gnome is retarded |
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| 14:56.10 | stoned | !d-i CrakeHunter |
| 14:56.10 | dpkg | CrakeHunter, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 14:56.30 | stoned | CrakeHunter: you want the second link |
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| 14:56.38 | chemaja | hark, poor me, i always like to give it a chance |
| 14:56.46 | hark | chemaja: where? in the open with dialog? |
| 14:56.58 | Noboru | i plan to buy a 1U server,btw :) then install debian |
| 14:57.22 | chemaja | hark: i do the open-with assoc thingy ok, then when i next double click i get an error dialog. |
| 14:57.25 | Noboru | i checked, compared debian with freebsd, the second one hurts me,hmm so well i go for debian anyways. |
| 14:57.50 | justin | Noboru: save your money on the CPU and buy lots of ram and disks |
| 14:58.01 | hark | chemaja: the 'contents appear to be of type foo but extension is bar'? |
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| 14:58.11 | chemaja | hark yea |
| 14:58.20 | Noboru | justin, the disks are cheap nowadays,yeah ,the CPU part |
| 14:58.47 | jetscreamer | hey would apt-cache search kde |grep metapackage work? how would one list just metapackages? |
| 14:58.47 | scv | who says that the ram is the future? |
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| 14:59.14 | hark | chemaja: you can get rid if that iirc, it's supposed to be for security reasons? |
| 14:59.15 | jetscreamer | i believe computers will run from ramdrives or the equiv, eventually |
| 14:59.36 | hark | chemaja: and you can right click and select with open with still |
| 14:59.47 | chemaja | wtf i wonder if Gnome devs are smart enough to always remember to populate an app's gconf tree with all gconf keys recognisable by the app |
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| 15:00.01 | chemaja | hark lol security |
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| 15:00.15 | scv | jetscreamer, can you run vista from a ramfrive? |
| 15:00.23 | chemaja | yea i can right click open with but that's a dirty dirty workaround ;) |
| 15:00.25 | rdz | hi all. i'm want to compile a package myself and i downloaded it by apt-get source [package]. but apt-get source does only give me a tar.gz-file. i unpacked me and i modified the source, but then when doing dpkg-buildpackage i get: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to pdp-0.12.4.tar.gz: binary file contents changed |
| 15:00.25 | rdz | dpkg-source: building pdp in pdp_0.12.4-4.3.dsc |
| 15:00.25 | rdz | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source. obviously i am doing things in the wrong way. but what is the correct way? |
| 15:00.36 | jetscreamer | scv: if you have enough money i'm sure you could |
| 15:00.55 | scv | jetscreamer, I doubt that |
| 15:01.01 | jetscreamer | scv: why |
| 15:01.02 | rdz | haha, i unpacked me:should read: i unpacked it |
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| 15:01.25 | scv | jetscreamer, you always have no ram to run the lastest windows |
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| 15:01.33 | jetscreamer | i don't have 160gb of ramdrive available though |
| 15:01.45 | scv | how much? |
| 15:01.58 | scv | this is the point |
| 15:02.08 | chemaja | hark, yay i love unanswered threads http://www.mail-archive.com/gnome-list@gnome.org/msg01583.html |
| 15:02.08 | chemaja | :( |
| 15:02.12 | jetscreamer | scv: that's why i said 'if you have enough money' |
| 15:03.05 | jetscreamer | you know, a fantasy |
| 15:03.15 | jetscreamer | but a doable one |
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| 15:04.32 | scv | so, it's a dream |
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| 15:04.46 | stoned | well |
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| 15:04.52 | stoned | we have control over fantasies |
| 15:04.54 | stoned | we can't control dreams |
| 15:05.00 | stoned | so not, its not a dream |
| 15:05.07 | stoned | no* |
| 15:05.11 | stoned | scv: close though |
| 15:05.21 | scv | i mean... even i have the money |
| 15:05.24 | jetscreamer | scv: it's doable atm. i'm just not rich enough. |
| 15:05.35 | stoned | yet |
| 15:05.41 | rdz | hello. how does one modify a source from a package from apt-get source, so that one can build a package after having modified it? |
| 15:05.42 | scv | i won't pay for that |
| 15:05.50 | jetscreamer | someday it will be like a pc... cheap. |
| 15:05.59 | stoned | rdz: /msg dpkg package basics |
| 15:06.05 | valdyn | rdz: with an editor |
| 15:06.11 | jetscreamer | pc's weren't cheap in the beginning |
| 15:06.16 | jetscreamer | but, nothing is |
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| 15:06.41 | stoned | rdz: apt-get source pkgname - modify the source/rules/whatever you want, then build the package with dpkg |
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| 15:06.57 | stoned | KILL! |
| 15:06.59 | scv | the cheap pc is not bad, but the cheap plastic junk is |
| 15:07.29 | rdz | valdyn, my problem is: apt-get source gives me a tar.gz-file. when i untar modify it and then pack it again into a tar.gz, then dpkg-buildpackage gives the error i posted above |
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| 15:08.32 | scv | fireba11, are you ball? |
| 15:08.40 | valdyn | rdz: apt-get source does not only give you a tar.gz file |
| 15:08.50 | fireba11 | scv : ? |
| 15:08.53 | rdz | rdz, so i am wondering what is the CORRECT way of doing it? or why is dpk-buildpackage complaining, that source have changend? i mean it is the idea of apt-source to modify the sources, or do i understand something wrong? |
| 15:09.05 | rdz | valdyn, yes it does |
| 15:09.12 | scv | fireba11, is the ball your last nick? |
| 15:09.17 | rdz | valdyn, i mean it does not unpack it |
| 15:09.25 | valdyn | rdz: it gives a .dsc file too |
| 15:09.31 | valdyn | rdz: and a debian diff |
| 15:09.40 | rdz | valdyn, exactly |
| 15:09.53 | fireba11 | scv hope |
| 15:09.56 | fireba11 | nope |
| 15:09.56 | valdyn | rdz: first you run dpkg-source -x file.dsc, then you got the source tree, edit things, run dpkg-buildpackage inside that source tree |
| 15:09.58 | scv | oh |
| 15:09.58 | rdz | valdyn, do i have the edit the .dsc as well? |
| 15:10.24 | rdz | valdyn, that is wwhat i was loogin for |
| 15:10.27 | rdz | valdyn, many thanks |
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| 15:10.38 | rdz | s/loogin/looking |
| 15:10.45 | valdyn | rdz: .dsc is irrelevant as soon as source is extracted and debian patch applied |
| 15:10.54 | valdyn | rdz: ...which dpkg-source -x did |
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| 15:13.59 | CrakeHunter | generally, debian 4 is it worth trying yet? |
| 15:13.59 | CrakeHunter | or too unstable |
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| 15:14.38 | stoned | its usually fine |
| 15:14.44 | jetscreamer | it's fine for a desktop |
| 15:14.46 | rdz | valdyn, hm sorrry but i still can't quite follow |
| 15:14.47 | stoned | not yet ready for a server |
| 15:14.52 | jetscreamer | be safe if server |
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| 15:14.59 | valdyn | rdz: did you run dpkg-source -x successfully yet? |
| 15:15.01 | rdz | it seems that apt-get source already does dpkg-source -y |
| 15:15.06 | rdz | valdyn, yes |
| 15:15.10 | rdz | but nothing has changed |
| 15:15.14 | valdyn | rdz: fine, now edit your source code |
| 15:15.20 | CrakeHunter | k, ill try it then ;) |
| 15:15.30 | fredl | anybody here ever use xmame? |
| 15:15.37 | valdyn | rdz: dpkg-buildpackage fails? |
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| 15:16.01 | rdz | the source tree is only pdp-0.12.4/pdp-0.12.4.tar.gz and pdp-0.12.4/pdp-0.12.4.tar.gz.cdbs-config_list |
| 15:16.17 | rdz | so the source is still in tar.gz. file |
| 15:16.19 | Noboru | security debian server is bloody slow right now |
| 15:16.22 | valdyn | rdz: there should be at least a debian direcotry too |
| 15:16.39 | rdz | valdyn, sorry yes |
| 15:16.45 | koflerm | Hy, someone who could help me with my vodafone usb umts box ? globesurfer icon; |
| 15:16.58 | rdz | but i need to change something in the tar.gz |
| 15:16.59 | Noboru | debian install is stuck at apt testing .hmm |
| 15:17.10 | valdyn | rdz: that's possible that there's .tar.gz files, for changes you'd have to recreate those tarballs |
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| 15:17.55 | rdz | valdyn, ok, but after recreation dpkg-buildpackage refuses to build the package because the tar.gz has changed |
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| 15:18.19 | rdz | dpkg-source: building pdp using existing pdp_0.12.4.orig.tar.gz |
| 15:18.20 | rdz | dpkg-source: building pdp in pdp_0.12.4-4.3.diff.gz |
| 15:18.20 | rdz | dpkg-source: cannot represent change to pdp-0.12.4.tar.gz: binary file contents changed |
| 15:18.21 | archville | Hi. |
| 15:18.26 | rdz | that is the error i get then |
| 15:18.35 | Noboru | how do i skip this apt testing duing debian install ? |
| 15:18.38 | Noboru | its stuck there |
| 15:18.43 | rdz | so it seems i have to update a certain file first, but i don't know which |
| 15:18.45 | valdyn | rdz: uh? dpkg-buildpackage is running dpkg-source? |
| 15:18.58 | koflerm | Hy, someone who could help me with my vodafone usb umts box ? globesurfer icon; |
| 15:19.08 | valdyn | rdz: which package is that the source of, so i can look myself? |
| 15:19.20 | rdz | valdyn, this is not the whole output.... there are quite a lot of lines before of that |
| 15:19.26 | rdz | valdyn, pd-pdp |
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| 15:20.23 | archville | I've installed nvidia drivers (from the script supplied by nvidia.com) and the work, but after installing it, nvidia framebuffer does not load on boot. ¿ Anything i can do to enable it for the console ? |
| 15:20.26 | yousefroukouz | hello,what does it means if the letter J appears and nothing happen if i boot from usb containing dsl embedded |
| 15:20.49 | rsd- | hi i'm trying to use xargs to move files, but how do i specify the output comign from mv as an argument? i.e. "find . -name "*" -print | xargs mv blah directory/" ... what do i put there? |
| 15:20.51 | yousefroukouz | any idea pleae? |
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| 15:21.59 | jelly-home | rsd-: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:22.33 | rsd- | jelly-home: move all my mp3s (5000+) to another directory .. but i need to pass each mp3 that find comes up with to xargs to move them |
| 15:22.37 | valdyn | rdz: i don't know what this guy is doing, maybe you can represent your changes via another patch in the patches directory |
| 15:22.52 | yousefroukouz | hello? |
| 15:22.53 | jelly-home | rsd-: man mv, --target-directory |
| 15:22.57 | valdyn | rdz: how this is tied together isn't up to debian but to the package's maintainer |
| 15:23.06 | rdz | valdyn, i see |
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| 15:23.16 | rdz | valdyn, many thanks for checking that for me |
| 15:23.31 | jelly-home | rsd-: xargs always appends the arguments at the end |
| 15:23.51 | rdz | valdyn, obviously a command checks whether the sources have changed. is there some way to omit this check? |
| 15:24.34 | rdz | valdyn, the thing is i only need to give one option more to configure |
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| 15:24.47 | valdyn | rdz: debian/rules |
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| 15:24.53 | rdz | i don't even need to change the source itself |
| 15:25.07 | valdyn | rdz: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS = --enable-mmx |
| 15:25.16 | rdz | valdyn, oooooh |
| 15:25.18 | rdz | soooo easy |
| 15:25.24 | rdz | it could have been so easy |
| 15:25.32 | rsd- | jelly-home: oh ok thanks |
| 15:25.39 | rdz | valdyn, many thanks for taking your time for my problems |
| 15:25.53 | valdyn | rdz: this is public debian helper scripts / macros or somesuch, but how this is used is up to each packages maintainer |
| 15:26.12 | rdz | valdyn, i see |
| 15:28.03 | rsd- | jelly-home: hmm, now i'mg etting an error from xargs about unmatched single quotes |
| 15:28.42 | rsd- | jelly-home: this is my command: find . -name "*.mp3" -print -maxdepth 1 | xargs mv -t myfolder/ |
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| 15:28.49 | jelly-home | rsd-: sounds like to need to read about find's -print0 and xargs -0 options |
| 15:28.59 | rsd- | ok |
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| 15:31.25 | dromer | hi, I'm having trouble umounting my camera, to sudo umount /dev/sda1 bash gives back "umount: /media/usb: device is busy" twice |
| 15:32.32 | stew | dromer: you need to close the files open in /media/usb before umounting. "lsof | grep /media/usb" might help you find them |
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| 15:33.11 | dromer | stew: aah, I had the folder still open :) |
| 15:33.12 | dromer | thnx |
| 15:34.46 | stew | dromer: yeah, that's often the problem. having a shell open with /media/usb as the current directory is enough to prevent unmounting |
| 15:35.31 | dromer | exactly what happened :) |
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| 15:37.17 | kelt | hi, I was wondering how to get the ip addresses of anyone who has sshed into a debian machine? shouldn't it bee in /var/log/secure.log ? |
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| 15:38.15 | apk | kelt: auth.log |
| 15:38.31 | is_null | hello everybody, is there an equivalent to gentoo's packages.keyword in debian please ? a system must remain stable, but it needs acx100-source wich is only in unstable |
| 15:39.08 | archville | is_null: apt-get |
| 15:39.16 | valdyn | is_null: http://packages.debian.org/, download it, dpkg -i it |
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| 15:39.30 | pickcoder | is_null: well if the source tree for the module is in unstable then you can imagine that the module has not been tested enough to be considered stable |
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| 15:39.54 | iratik | holy freaking crap - -- i just realized that our mail server is sending spam! |
| 15:40.18 | dromer | iratik: that's not good ;) |
| 15:40.21 | is_null | pickcoder: thank you, i know what is unstable, i have used this pacakge for years when i when using debian |
| 15:40.43 | iratik | ...-- alright i guess i need to find out if it sent it to anyone else besides myself |
| 15:40.57 | iratik | because we aren't blacklisted - and if we were - we would have been blacklisted a while back |
| 15:41.03 | pickcoder | is_null: is there not a source package for the version you're running? |
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| 15:41.16 | is_null | pickcoder: no |
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| 15:41.28 | kelt | iratik: you need to shut off relay access... |
| 15:41.40 | iratik | i did! |
| 15:41.47 | iratik | its limited to really lo... oh ... |
| 15:41.50 | is_null | pickcoder: there is really no way to force a package to be apted from a specific repository please ? |
| 15:41.53 | iratik | oh crap |
| 15:41.55 | pickcoder | is_null: I dunno if module-assistant will have a problem with a sid source package or not |
| 15:42.10 | pickcoder | is_null: sure, you can install whatever deb you want |
| 15:42.30 | is_null | pickcoder: but then it's not updated by the update function of apt ? |
| 15:42.36 | iratik | mynetworks = 192.168.1.0/24, 127.0.0.0/8 |
| 15:42.40 | is_null | (as far as i know from dpkg) |
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| 15:43.05 | pickcoder | is_null: exactly |
| 15:43.07 | MatBoy | I can;t get ridd of this following error when I want to start a .jar. Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit What do i miss ? I tried alomst every javapacke |
| 15:43.10 | sts | hello folks! which packages includes apache2's suexec2? |
| 15:43.13 | MatBoy | *javapackage |
| 15:43.22 | Noboru | bedding time,thanks for helps,later |
| 15:43.24 | pickcoder | !tell is_null about pinning |
| 15:43.31 | is_null | ok, thank you, i'll compile this module within the kernel in that case |
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| 15:43.40 | tarzeau | MatBoy: what java did you install? dpkg -l | grep sun says what? |
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| 15:43.57 | kelt | someone has hacked into my webserver using ssh I believe, and then setup a script to use apache to ping websites... |
| 15:44.09 | MatBoy | tarzeau, I installed the libgtk-java and java5 also |
| 15:44.09 | tarzeau | kelt: did you have an easy password? |
| 15:44.10 | iratik | now i'm a little lost --- the emails were really sent to 'abuse@ourdomain' -- and they got forwarded to the webmaster account |
| 15:44.17 | MatBoy | but I cleaned some up for now |
| 15:44.19 | tarzeau | MatBoy: but which java? which version? |
| 15:44.25 | iratik | and it read that i was getting spam from myself - but it was ? from abuse? |
| 15:44.28 | tarzeau | MatBoy: the jre or jdk? |
| 15:44.37 | MatBoy | tarzeau, jre |
| 15:44.38 | kelt | tarzeau: no, not really... it's alpha numeric and longer than 8 chars |
| 15:44.48 | MatBoy | tarzeau, sun-j2re1.5 this is what I have installed now |
| 15:45.03 | tarzeau | MatBoy: i don't know. i have the jdk... i'm not a java fan or so |
| 15:45.20 | kelt | I think they deleted the auth.log and also I noticed when I did ps aux there was a sshd session that was [priv] |
| 15:45.24 | tarzeau | kelt: can you not find out how the person came in? |
| 15:45.37 | tarzeau | kelt: from where? when? |
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| 15:45.47 | iratik | can i do cat file.gz | zgrep ... ? |
| 15:45.50 | tarzeau | kelt: got any buggy software? didn't do security updates? |
| 15:45.52 | MatBoy | tarzeau, me neither, but I want to use a nice frontend for Hylafax |
| 15:45.55 | kelt | tarzeau: I'm gonna have to investage it some more |
| 15:46.12 | valdyn | kelt: [priv] ssh is unusual how? |
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| 15:46.44 | pickcoder | kelt: install rkhunter if you're on etch |
| 15:46.53 | pickcoder | install chkrootkit, regardless |
| 15:46.55 | pickcoder | and run then |
| 15:46.57 | pickcoder | ~them |
| 15:47.01 | apt | They're everywhere! |
| 15:47.04 | kelt | valdyn: no one should be running ssh on this machine besides me, and I didn't make any priv ssh |
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| 15:47.20 | valdyn | kelt: you logged in via ssh? |
| 15:47.40 | iratik | w |
| 15:47.49 | sts | hello folks! which packages includes apache2's suexec2? |
| 15:47.54 | kelt | yes valdyn, but I saw 2 ssh's ... one was me, and the other was me... but [priv] |
| 15:48.07 | valdyn | kelt: that's as expected |
| 15:48.10 | kelt | I was only logged in once. |
| 15:48.20 | valdyn | kelt: like this one root 32133 0.1 0.1 48200 2660 ? Ss 16:47 0:00 sshd: valdyn [priv] |
| 15:48.20 | sts | kelt: that's ok |
| 15:48.39 | valdyn | kelt: and yes its supposed to be 2 |
| 15:48.39 | kelt | yeah valdyn, okay... I didn't know that. :) |
| 15:48.41 | sts | kelt: install lsof |
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| 15:49.17 | valdyn | kelt: sshd: valdyn [priv] and sshd: valdyn@ttyq0 |
| 15:49.17 | sts | kelt: the tool can help you |
| 15:49.20 | kelt | okay, I'll install rkhunter, chkrootkit, and lsof... thanks everyone! |
| 15:49.42 | sts | what package includes apache2's suexec2?! |
| 15:49.57 | stew | sts: apache2.2-common |
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| 15:50.05 | sts | stew: thanks |
| 15:50.23 | valdyn | kelt: so not hint that you're comproised, except that missing auth.log, if it is really missing |
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| 15:51.09 | stew | kelt: make sure /var/log/auth.log.0 isn't the one being written to |
| 15:51.18 | kelt | valdyn: I'm not hinting that I'm compromised... I was compromised. I did a tail -f /var/log/*/*.log and apache was all over the place GET and POSTing to other websites. |
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| 15:51.28 | Ronin | kelt: php? |
| 15:51.35 | valdyn | kelt: that doesn't mean you got compromised |
| 15:51.39 | kelt | Ronin: yeah, I have php installed |
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| 15:52.17 | sts | kelt: did you analyze the script that was doing the GET/POSTs? |
| 15:52.17 | kelt | valdyn: okay... I guess you're right... but when I can't even used my internet because of it, I consider it so... lol |
| 15:52.22 | valdyn | kelt: except that you read the log wrongly, apache recieves those requests, it doesn't send them... |
| 15:52.37 | valdyn | kelt: you may still be compromised though, just saying so far i see no hint at it |
| 15:53.02 | stew | kelt: what log was showing something posting to other websites? |
| 15:53.22 | kelt | access.log |
| 15:53.38 | kelt | I think... |
| 15:53.46 | stew | kelt: that is posts coming into your server from web browsers, not your server hitting other webservers |
| 15:53.46 | valdyn | kelt: like |
| 15:53.58 | valdyn | kelt: 66.249.65.172 - - [23/Feb/2007:15:37:30 +0100] "GET /robots.txt HTTP/1.1" 404 285 ? |
| 15:54.04 | jelly-home | .... some.php?i=http://foo.com/include-me.html&... |
| 15:54.45 | stew | POST /paypal.php?creditcard=44142222... |
| 15:55.06 | jelly-home | stew: we need the whole line! |
| 15:55.10 | pickcoder | kelt: any web form can be used for cross-site scripting these days |
| 15:55.15 | stoned | lol |
| 15:55.22 | stew | jelly-home: :) |
| 15:55.23 | pickcoder | kelt: if you don't sanitize the form input, you're asking for problems |
| 15:55.36 | pickcoder | I had a goober use our catalog request form to send spam through our mail server |
| 15:55.51 | pickcoder | I fixed that quick, fast, and in a hurry when I saw the mail queue stacking up |
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| 15:58.03 | sidjster | why with cups do i get black and white at 600dpi and color at 300dpi? |
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| 15:58.31 | jetscreamer | that seems to be usual printer defaults, sidjster |
| 15:58.45 | sidjster | black and white? |
| 15:58.52 | kelt | thanks everyone... I'm going to look into it |
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| 15:59.01 | jetscreamer | the dpi per color/bw |
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| 16:01.45 | sidjster | i have to say that is lame |
| 16:02.25 | Gathond | why? if its just defaults, it might be alot faster/cheaper |
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| 16:03.05 | jetscreamer | 300 is like normal color,not photo quality, iirc |
| 16:03.13 | sidjster | its not defaults no printing over 300dpi color |
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| 16:03.19 | Gathond | on the other hand I'm not entirely sure if its uncommon for printers to support a higher resolution in bw than color, its probably far easier to make it high dpi with only one color |
| 16:03.19 | jetscreamer | but ii forget i don't print much |
| 16:03.22 | sidjster | thats gay |
| 16:03.32 | Gathond | sidjster: its happy?:) |
| 16:03.38 | jetscreamer | i do know it's usually 600/300 at default settings |
| 16:03.38 | sidjster | i gotta set up a windows machine to print? |
| 16:03.58 | jetscreamer | faster |
| 16:04.04 | sidjster | most retarded thing ive ever heard |
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| 16:04.19 | jetscreamer | sidjster: that's like printers, not win or lin |
| 16:04.23 | Gathond | sidjster: I'm guessing its just a default and can be changed, but that would depend on the printer in question and more importantly the state of the driver |
| 16:04.24 | sidjster | 1 dpi would be faster just guess whats on the page |
| 16:04.30 | jetscreamer | you 'can' change the dpi |
| 16:04.34 | jelly-home | sidjster: it depends on your driver |
| 16:04.36 | anapivirtua | Oyo § |
| 16:04.59 | jetscreamer | well what Gathond said |
| 16:05.00 | JordiGH | Is it theoretically possible that Debian is more energy-efficient on a laptop than another popular OS, i.e. makes batteries last longer? I ask, because my girlfriend is thrilled that apparently her laptop batteries last longer with Debian, but I'm skeptical that this is actually true. |
| 16:05.17 | jelly-home | JordiGH: less useless services? |
| 16:05.28 | jetscreamer | JordiGH: xp sp2 has some usb2.0 bug thingy that drained batteries faster |
| 16:05.38 | jetscreamer | not sure what hw it applied to |
| 16:05.44 | JordiGH | Hm. |
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| 16:05.57 | justin | JordiGH: usually it is not true since laptops have broken acpi supoprt that only XP understands |
| 16:06.16 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Which services could consume energy? |
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| 16:06.37 | JordiGH | justin: Oh, broken? Hm. This might explain why I have been unable to get the damn thing to suspend or hibernate. |
| 16:06.53 | jelly-home | JordiGH: the ones that use cpu or disk needlessly? |
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| 16:07.11 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Ah, right. CPU. That's the biggest energy drain. |
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| 16:07.34 | jetscreamer | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918005 |
| 16:07.35 | artis | hi can u tell me how instal debian if i downloaded this dvd iso image "debian-update-3.1r5-i386-1.iso" its 1.7 gb .. tnx |
| 16:07.38 | jetscreamer | ^^usb 2.0 |
| 16:07.52 | jetscreamer | artis: you burn the .iso to a cd |
| 16:08.00 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I have no idea which OS you're referring to, but my preinstalled XP Home came with lots of stuff that I don't really use |
| 16:08.03 | artis | i made dvd but it seems not bootable .. |
| 16:08.08 | artis | yes to a dvd |
| 16:08.13 | jetscreamer | err yeah make that dvd |
| 16:08.38 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I'm referring to a very similar situation like yours, but y'know how most of Harry Potter's associates can't say Voldemort? ;-) |
| 16:08.46 | artis | is it must be bootable ? |
| 16:09.05 | jetscreamer | yes bootable |
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| 16:09.13 | jelly-home | JordiGH: UBUNTU?! |
| 16:09.16 | JordiGH | artis: That's odd. Is it supposed to be bootable? Did you tell your computer's BIOS to boot it? |
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| 16:09.38 | artis | sure yes i'm not a noobie :) |
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| 16:09.41 | JordiGH | Ubuntu is more like Slytherin and we're Gryffindor. |
| 16:09.57 | JordiGH | artis: Did you check for burn errors? |
| 16:09.59 | justin | AngusRF: pretty sure that is the wrong image |
| 16:10.02 | justin | er |
| 16:10.08 | artis | windows loading instead of boot |
| 16:10.08 | justin | artis: pretty sure that is the wrong image |
| 16:10.34 | jetscreamer | artis: http://www.numediasoft.com/Downloads/DVDWriterPro2.exe if you need a burner that works |
| 16:10.43 | JordiGH | Or! |
| 16:10.47 | artis | its official dvd imgae downloaded from university ftp it cant be wrong |
| 16:10.49 | JordiGH | http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 16:11.10 | JordiGH | http://www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 16:11.13 | justin | artis: of course, you couldn't possibly have downloaded the wrong cd image *rolles eyes* |
| 16:11.17 | jelly-home | JordiGH: does it work on win98? |
| 16:11.26 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Fuck if I know. |
| 16:11.54 | artis | i checked dat iso it contains only 3 directories in it |
| 16:12.01 | ezguy | hi, any ideas why /proc/cpuinfo show only 1.0ghz on 1.8ghz Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2210? |
| 16:12.02 | justin | artis: because it is the wrong one! |
| 16:12.23 | artis | maybe it is update dvd ? |
| 16:12.33 | justin | artis: bingo |
| 16:12.37 | JordiGH | ezguy: Does your BIOS see all those hertz? |
| 16:12.39 | jetscreamer | there are 3 dvd's iirc |
| 16:12.41 | jetscreamer | or 2 |
| 16:12.46 | jetscreamer | you wnat #1 |
| 16:13.04 | artis | if i install small version of debian cud i later update it using my dvd ? |
| 16:13.30 | jetscreamer | artis: yeah why don't you just use the net installer if it's an option? |
| 16:13.35 | jetscreamer | but yes you can |
| 16:13.35 | JordiGH | ezguy: As I recall it, Linux pretty much has to benchmark your processor in order to know its clock speed. |
| 16:13.56 | ezguy | JordiGB: yes. bios, dmidecode and dmesg show/see 1.8ghz |
| 16:14.02 | justin | artis: not likely |
| 16:14.08 | artis | check it and tell me is it rite image plz http://ftp.litnet.lt/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 16:14.20 | JordiGH | ezguy: Hmm... no clue, then. Sorry. |
| 16:14.31 | lsl23 | I used apt-get and updated to php-52 and I need to go back to 51 can someone help me? |
| 16:14.36 | artis | ill try net installer |
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| 16:14.47 | artis | exactly |
| 16:14.48 | justin | artis: http://ftp.litnet.lt/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 16:15.01 | selim | hark: are you there? |
| 16:15.06 | JordiGH | !tell lsl23 about downgrade |
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| 16:15.18 | Trewas | ezguy: maybe you have cpu frequency scaling enabled |
| 16:15.52 | ezguy | enable where? |
| 16:16.10 | tinus | Hi. I am running a server and I upgraded to unstable, because I really need newer software than stable offers, and backports is broken. Now the dist-upgrade won't work because it wants to remove the current running kernel, before it can install a newer kernel. What should I do? |
| 16:16.16 | artis | justin: u suggest me install this ? |
| 16:16.22 | justin | artis: yes |
| 16:16.28 | artis | i mean download |
| 16:16.29 | selim | ok, I've tried dpkg --configure -a now but the system keeps telling me that there is a dependency problem and it leaves all the configurations unconfigured |
| 16:16.35 | tinus | advised is that I keep the current kernel (it's dangerous to remove it), but then apt wont update my system |
| 16:16.41 | ezguy | Trewas: in the BIOS? |
| 16:16.49 | artis | and later update using my prev dvd ? |
| 16:16.59 | justin | tinus: maybe you should be upgrading to etch? |
| 16:17.15 | tinus | justin: that's testing, yeah? |
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| 16:17.49 | tinus | justin: I was advised to better run unstable rather than testing |
| 16:17.50 | Trewas | ezguy: in linux, I'm not aware are there different types of frequency scaling but with 2.6.x kernels directory /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ should include some info |
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| 16:19.50 | nescius | hi |
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| 16:20.35 | nescius | i forgot again, how do i change a hostname forever? ..in which file is it saved? |
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| 16:21.07 | rahul | forEVER? |
| 16:21.10 | rahul | /etc/hostname |
| 16:21.40 | jelly-home | and /etc/hosts |
| 16:21.41 | rahul | and don't blame me if your system takes forever to do certain things because you didn't set up forward and reverse lookup on that host in /etc/hosts |
| 16:21.45 | nescius | thanks |
| 16:22.18 | sidjster | gimp has 600x600 printing thank god |
| 16:22.22 | nescius | i will not blame you, they fire me |
| 16:23.12 | MatBoy | tarzeau, I found it |
| 16:23.17 | MatBoy | the java-problem |
| 16:23.34 | tarzeau | MatBoy: nice |
| 16:23.35 | MatBoy | tarzeau, apt-get remove gcj-4.1-base did the trick |
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| 16:23.45 | MatBoy | tarzeau, here you go |
| 16:23.46 | MatBoy | http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/awt-AWTError-load-AWT-toolkit-gnu-awt-peer-gtk-GtkToolkit-ftopict355246.html |
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| 16:23.53 | CmdrChalupa_ | I have the kernel-source package installed, I am in /usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.18, I'd like to patch those sources up to 2.6.18-3-xen-vserver, the patches are in the debian/ directory, but I'd like to use the scripts, and do it the 'right way', could someone point me to some docs? |
| 16:23.59 | ezguy | Trewas: can i disable it and how? |
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| 16:25.45 | ezguy | Trewas: I think i need disable the cpuspeed services. |
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| 16:28.39 | earthian | hello, what do you think, would a system of Pentium 2 450 Mhz with 128MB sdram, 8mb of agp4x ati gfx and 6 GB disk be enough usefull as a desktop system for use with office software as P4 1.4 Ghz, 256 MB DDR, 40 GB Hdd and 32 MB of gfx on Windows XP for the same reason? If I am not clear, please say so...i have a difficutly here to express my idea! |
| 16:28.56 | earthian | that P2 system with debian |
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| 16:29.16 | earthian | or maybe even ubuntu...but that is not the part of the question..... |
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| 16:29.57 | justin | earthian: upgrade the memory to 1G and anything will run |
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| 16:30.26 | earthian | the idea of this question is how much would a person working with for example openoffice.org notice that he/she is working on pentium 2 with 450mhz/128mb ram |
| 16:30.39 | earthian | justin, that machine takes only 256mb of ram :o |
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| 16:30.41 | earthian | as a max |
| 16:30.45 | earthian | it is very old |
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| 16:30.59 | sidjster | im running p2 366 |
| 16:31.07 | sidjster | works great |
| 16:31.18 | earthian | 512K of L2 cache? |
| 16:31.37 | sidjster | no image editing |
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| 16:31.50 | Trewas | ezguy: "echo performance > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor", that should set the speed to maximum |
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| 16:32.00 | earthian | are you using openoffice suite? does it lag ? |
| 16:32.23 | sidjster | it dosent really lag unless you are editing graphics |
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| 16:32.31 | ezguy | thanks. |
| 16:32.33 | Trewas | ezguy: however, it will be reseted back to defaults during reboot |
| 16:32.33 | sidjster | then make some tea |
| 16:32.35 | earthian | ok great! |
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| 16:33.35 | Trewas | ezguy: but unless frequency scaling is actually causing some problems, why not leave it enabled... |
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| 16:34.32 | ezguy | Trewas: is there a sysctl param to make change perm. |
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| 16:35.24 | earthian | :/ i dont have cpufreq under /sys/.../cpu0/ :( |
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| 16:36.11 | earthian | Trewas, do you know anything if it is possible to enable cpu frequency with amd64 opteron 250 cpus? |
| 16:36.34 | Trewas | ezguy: hmm dunno what would be the easiest way to disable it permanently, the only linux computer I am using frequency scaling is a ubuntu laptop and there it worked automagically |
| 16:36.45 | pickcoder-mtg | earthian: why would you want to scale an Opteron? |
| 16:37.15 | earthian | i am not using 100% of it and it gets hot and makes my fans spin at high speeds which is very loud |
| 16:37.35 | selim | anyone who can tell my why dpkg can't configure this packages after a dist-upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 16:37.37 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 16:37.41 | pickcoder-mtg | earthian: then why do you have Opterons? |
| 16:37.43 | pickcoder-mtg | <g> |
| 16:38.07 | sidjster | selim did you get your kernel? |
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| 16:38.11 | MegaROM | hellow |
| 16:38.18 | Trewas | earthian: loading the correct modules should do, cpufreq_ondemand and whatever scaling driver should be used... acpi_cpufreq in this pentium m, no idea what is the riht one for opterons |
| 16:38.20 | earthian | sorry, i am unable to answer that question... i am not so smart after all :( |
| 16:38.21 | selim | sidjster: yes I installed it |
| 16:38.21 | dazjorz | if I want to run a program but I don't want it to edit or create any files outside of the current directory, and it needs things like /dev/null and /usr/bin/env so it'd be too much to set up a chroot, how do I do that? |
| 16:38.22 | rahul | hmm |
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| 16:38.30 | rahul | I should enable freq scaling on my opteron box |
| 16:38.31 | sidjster | uname -a |
| 16:38.40 | earthian | ok thanks Trewas |
| 16:38.40 | rahul | it's in a crowded office 4 hours away :P |
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| 16:38.48 | MegaROM | i wanted to ask how do i make itso loadkeys be2-latin1 is called before i loggin in term ? |
| 16:39.07 | sidjster | well |
| 16:39.24 | ithium | hi, does anyone know how to change the arch type in Debian? I have a system that was i386 that I have just upgraded to amd64, and I don't know where Debian stores that information. |
| 16:39.34 | sidjster | selim uname -a? |
| 16:40.19 | selim | sidjster: should I have done that before dist-upgrade? |
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| 16:40.38 | sidjster | what does uname -a say? |
| 16:40.49 | boodie | Hi - how are you all? |
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| 16:40.58 | pickcoder-mtg | ithium: which CPU is it |
| 16:41.01 | selim | sidjster: debian 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 16:41.10 | sidjster | that is not etch |
| 16:41.18 | ithium | pickcoder: Opteron. |
| 16:41.37 | sidjster | you need to apt-install linux-image 2.6.18 |
| 16:41.40 | rahul | ithium: you don't upgrade the distro to a different arch |
| 16:41.40 | pickcoder | dual-core? |
| 16:41.48 | ithium | pickercoder: I know what kernel I want, but apt gets the i386 list still, hence my question. |
| 16:41.51 | rahul | ithium: that's like upgrading from ARM to MIPS |
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| 16:41.56 | selim | sidjster: I've tried it again but it's not possible |
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| 16:42.04 | Rippawallet | hey |
| 16:42.13 | rahul | ithium: each kernel package has a different name |
| 16:42.17 | stew | selim: if you are having a depency problem please put the output of apt-get/aptitude into a pastebin |
| 16:42.18 | Rippawallet | hey |
| 16:42.20 | sidjster | you changed apt sources from stable to etch right? |
| 16:42.28 | stew | selim: (along with the command you are actually running) |
| 16:42.31 | rahul | ithium: get the one with amd64 in its name. when you see it working, remove the i386 one |
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| 16:42.47 | Rippawallet | im on debian, but all my stuff is on ubuntu in /dev/hda5. how can i get it from /dev/hda5 to where i am now? |
| 16:42.58 | ithium | rahul: I can't get the amd64 one until apt gets the list of amd64 packages... apt is stuck on i386. |
| 16:43.02 | pickcoder | ithium: that's impossible to do on a 32-bit distro |
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| 16:43.08 | sidjster | you can not have etch with a kernel-image |
| 16:43.09 | Rippawallet | :) |
| 16:43.09 | pickcoder | gah |
| 16:43.10 | Rippawallet | anyone? |
| 16:43.14 | pickcoder | that was for rahul |
| 16:43.15 | caitriona | Rippawallet, man mount |
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| 16:43.19 | rahul | ithium: that makes no sense |
| 16:43.22 | Rippawallet | ok thanks |
| 16:43.24 | pickcoder | you can't install an amd64 kernel on a 32-bit distro |
| 16:43.24 | MegaROM | i wanted to ask how do i make itso loadkeys be2-latin1 is called before i loggin in term ? ... anybody ? |
| 16:43.25 | znh | Hello. Is it possible to automatic start wpa_supplicant? |
| 16:43.30 | selim | sidjster: correct |
| 16:43.35 | rahul | ithium: you're either 32-bit or 64-bit |
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| 16:43.46 | sidjster | you need linux-image |
| 16:43.52 | ithium | rahul/guys: the kernel I want is linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 |
| 16:43.57 | sidjster | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 16:43.58 | rahul | ithium: you need to install a different port if you want to change the arch of your box |
| 16:44.04 | MegaROM | loadkeys ? |
| 16:44.08 | ithium | however, like I say, I was just on i386 |
| 16:44.15 | pickcoder | ithium: uname -r |
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| 16:44.18 | ithium | rahul: say again? |
| 16:44.23 | rahul | ithium: you will always be i386 |
| 16:44.31 | selim | sidjster: my apt keeps telling me it can't install something couse the configuration is not complete |
| 16:44.33 | rahul | ithium: you can't install ARM and then get MIPS packages on it |
| 16:44.50 | MegaROM | im doin that tho |
| 16:44.57 | MegaROM | with psptoolchain ;) |
| 16:45.27 | ithium | pickcoder/all: I say again, I have a system that was i386 but has been upgraded. surely there is a way to get apt to install the amd64 packages rather than the i386 packages. |
| 16:45.27 | MegaROM | rahul ^^ |
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| 16:45.42 | Rippawallet | caitriona, once i do the mount command do i need to edit anything else? |
| 16:45.49 | HardDisk_WP | where can I download locales for Iceweasel//Icedove? |
| 16:45.53 | ithium | all: otherwise, how do people cope when they move to a different cpu? |
| 16:45.54 | pickcoder | ithium: uname -r |
| 16:45.58 | pickcoder | or uname -a |
| 16:46.13 | rahul | MegaROM: you're booting your system as a different arch from what you installed? |
| 16:46.13 | caitriona | Rippawallet, you may want to add the filesystem to your fstab - man 5 fstab |
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| 16:46.32 | ithium | pickcoder: not helpful. Like i said, I already know what arch I am on, thanks anyway. |
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| 16:46.41 | earthian | Trewas, what does that mean: WARNING: Error inserting powernow_k8 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko): No such device |
| 16:46.44 | Rippawallet | caitriona, what would happen if i didnt add it? |
| 16:46.50 | pickcoder | ithium: you can't upgrade to AMD64 from a 32-bit distro |
| 16:46.51 | earthian | cpu not supported or what? |
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| 16:46.58 | pickcoder | ithium: please paste the output of uname -a |
| 16:47.14 | pickcoder | if you installed amd64 it should install an x86_64 kernel |
| 16:47.38 | caitriona | Rippawallet, adding it to fstab lets you mount it at boot, or (with appropriate options) lets users mount and unmount it, without needing all the details for the mount command |
| 16:47.52 | Rippawallet | ah |
| 16:47.53 | Rippawallet | thanks |
| 16:47.54 | caitriona | the details for mount can go in fstab |
| 16:48.08 | caitriona | and then you can use the short form of the mount command |
| 16:48.13 | caitriona | mount /path |
| 16:48.19 | ithium | pickcoder: there's currently no kernel on this system so that is not applicable. |
| 16:48.29 | earthian | anybody, what does that mean: WARNING: Error inserting powernow_k8 (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/powernow-k8.ko): No such device |
| 16:48.32 | pickcoder | ithium: so what is the box running on? |
| 16:48.40 | earthian | my cpu is not supported? |
| 16:48.46 | justin | earthian: what cpu do you actually have? |
| 16:48.47 | stew | earthian: it means that no hardware was found that is supported by that module |
| 16:49.01 | earthian | thanks stew |
| 16:49.12 | ithium | pickcoder: it was a Xen 2 PVM guest, and I'm moving it to a Xen 3 HVM guest, hence it needs its own kernel, but the new machine is Opteron based. |
| 16:49.14 | caitriona | Rippawallet, basically, if you are mounting a filesystem temporarily, just use mount, if you are using that filesystem all the time, or on a frequent basis (ie, removeable media), then add it to fstab |
| 16:49.27 | Rippawallet | ah |
| 16:49.29 | Rippawallet | all i want to do |
| 16:49.32 | Rippawallet | is so i can get my code |
| 16:49.32 | earthian | justin, i said.. amd opteron 250 ... i have read in amd.com that opterons should support powernow-k8 but.. probably the different ones |
| 16:49.34 | pickcoder | ithium: figure it out yourself then |
| 16:49.37 | pickcoder | I don't have time for this |
| 16:49.37 | Rippawallet | from ubuntu onto debian |
| 16:49.43 | Rippawallet | and then unmoun |
| 16:49.43 | Rippawallet | :] |
| 16:50.03 | MegaROM | i use colinux atm |
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| 16:50.09 | MegaROM | got ubuntu at home |
| 16:50.11 | stew | ithium: i don't know of any easy way to move from i386 to amd64 besides reinstalling and migrating, or installing amd64 into a chroot and mograting to that |
| 16:50.15 | MegaROM | debian in colinux |
| 16:50.16 | selim | stew: http://rafb.net/p/6nVr2G86.html |
| 16:50.28 | MegaROM | but i cant get rc.local to loadkeys |
| 16:50.42 | ithium | pickcoder: no problem - just remember to try and answer the actual question rather than some other one ;o) |
| 16:51.03 | stew | selim: what are you tring to do? there is no package named "2.6.18" |
| 16:51.04 | Rippawallet | caitriona, because all i want to do is transfer code, should i not add it to fstab? |
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| 16:51.09 | ithium | stew: thanks... not sure how to successfully migrate an existing system to a new install |
| 16:51.09 | MegaROM | somebody care to help me to pointout howto do debian loadkeys before login ? |
| 16:51.10 | pickcoder | ithium: like I said a while back.. you can not upgrade to Amd64 from a 32-bit distro |
| 16:51.14 | stew | selim: are you simply trying to upgrade your kernel? /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
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| 16:51.31 | sidjster | is that german? |
| 16:51.34 | Thms | how to have php5 in debian sarge ? |
| 16:51.39 | ElDios | Hi guys.. anyone ever had this problem with dansguardian@webmin "Undefined subroutine &main::init_config called at ./dansguardian-lib.pl line 5."? |
| 16:51.41 | stew | Thms: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 16:52.32 | jelly-home | ElDios: there's no webmin in Debian any more :-| |
| 16:52.38 | stew | jelly-home: yes there is |
| 16:53.08 | caitriona | Rippawallet, there's probably no need if it's a one time thing. |
| 16:53.09 | jelly-home | oops |
| 16:53.12 | ElDios | jelly-home: at the moment there's still s/thing |
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| 16:53.16 | Rippawallet | ok thanks |
| 16:53.19 | jetscreamer | a long time ago, i had a celery 333@500, bx440 chipset, with a gf2mx that outpreformed a duron 900 with an sis 730 chipset onboard video(disabled), and the same exact gf2mx. was this just because of the crappy sis chipset, or is that something i can expect with any motherboard that has onboard video? |
| 16:53.22 | jetscreamer | ot btw |
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| 16:53.56 | Rippawallet | caitriona, err, so how do i mount /dev/hda5 |
| 16:54.00 | jelly-home | ElDios: yes, sorry for that |
| 16:54.07 | ElDios | ^_^ |
| 16:54.29 | caitriona | Rippawallet, you read man mount for the syntax, and follow it. |
| 16:54.42 | jelly-home | there will be no webmin in Debian come etch time! |
| 16:54.48 | stew | correct |
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| 16:55.03 | stew | i predict there will be webmin come lenny time, but that is, of course, just wild speculation |
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| 16:55.19 | ithium | stew: so do you have any idea where Debian stores the current arch? |
| 16:55.42 | stew | abrotman: i predict you will be wrong |
| 16:55.51 | pickcoder | what's so horrible about webmin? |
| 16:55.51 | abrotman | stew: i think you have more than a prediction :) |
| 16:56.02 | pickcoder | provided it's armor plated with firewall rules |
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| 16:56.12 | jelly-home | stew: I dislike webmin's design... was thinking of doing a usermin replacement with a nicely separated frontend/backend |
| 16:56.15 | stew | pickcoder: its not armor plated with firewall rules |
| 16:56.19 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:57.15 | stew | ithium: dunno. if i really wanted to find out, i'd probably start by stracing dpkg-architecture and see where it looks |
| 16:57.25 | ithium | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 16:58.38 | pickcoder | gah I'm in a bad mood today |
| 16:58.38 | stew | ithium is going to eventually be templetd to dpkg --force-architecture which will probably pretty gloriously screw up his install |
| 16:58.44 | stew | s/templetd/tempted/ |
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| 16:58.48 | stew | pickcoder: happy friday! |
| 16:58.49 | pickcoder | stew: I know.. he has no idea what he's getting himself into |
| 16:59.06 | pickcoder | especially when he needs to resort to 32-bit libs again after all the hassle |
| 16:59.13 | pickcoder | with no extra gain in HP |
| 16:59.18 | pickcoder | stew: thanks |
| 16:59.20 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 16:59.23 | pickcoder | vacation time! |
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| 16:59.34 | pickcoder | 1 week away and then another week in CA for a conference |
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| 16:59.41 | Vme | i'm installing debian and for some reason I get fsck errors at boot time....however, my computer seems to be complete locking up so I can't hit CONTROL-D to continue or type my root password |
| 17:00.03 | stew | Vme: boot a livecd and fsck from there? |
| 17:00.29 | ACU01 | I wanted to install Debian in my computer. I connected to the Debian site and received the answer the security services cannot be install or they are not available at this time - I started the installation but the computer stalled at 5% for two hours |
| 17:00.29 | jetscreamer | Vme: if you're installing, me, i'd start over |
| 17:00.42 | Vme | stew: what FSCK do i want to do? fsck -y ? |
| 17:01.02 | Vme | its on two of my SATA drives |
| 17:01.10 | Vme | on /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 |
| 17:02.26 | stew | Vme: sure |
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| 17:02.42 | Rippawallet | CAiRO, :S |
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| 17:03.32 | weasel00 | how would i set apt-get to display all the dialog boxes for a package i am trying to install? |
| 17:03.56 | valdyn | weasel00: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 17:04.46 | stew | weasel00: "DEBIAN_PRIORITY=low apt-get install foo" or "apt-get install foo" followed by "dpkg-reconfigure foo", dpkg-reconfigure debconf will change the priority permanently |
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| 17:06.07 | weasel00 | thank you stew!! |
| 17:06.14 | weasel00 | and valdyn!! |
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| 17:07.09 | Vme | can you recommend a live CD |
| 17:07.22 | Vme | my live CD i have doesn't mount SATA drives for some reason |
| 17:07.25 | ft | Vme: grml. |
| 17:07.30 | ft | Vme: grml.org |
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| 17:07.40 | valdyn | Vme: needs a kernel that does support your sata controller |
| 17:08.05 | Vme | seems like there should be a way to do this without a live CD? |
| 17:08.23 | Vme | i don't understand why it locks up when it books becuase of a failure with FSCK? |
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| 17:08.50 | chops | Vme: What does it say when it "locks up"? |
| 17:08.52 | valdyn | Vme: a failure with fsck isnt fsck's fault but your disks filesystem ( or even your disk ) being severely damaged |
| 17:09.47 | Vme | just says i need to run fSck manually and to hit control d or enter root password |
| 17:09.53 | Vme | but it won't let me do either?? |
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| 17:10.19 | valdyn | Vme: have you actually tried to enter root's password and hit enter? |
| 17:10.24 | chops | Vme: Does it give any more output? It should give a reason why you need to run fsck manually if it's saying that. |
| 17:10.32 | valdyn | Vme: there's no feedback for the password on the screen, that's expected |
| 17:10.56 | Vme | when i type it in and hit enter nothing happens |
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| 17:11.51 | valdyn | Vme: fsck tried to tell you that your disk's filesystem cant be repaired without loss of data and that it won't repair your disk without user confirmation |
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| 17:12.33 | Rippawallet | c |
| 17:12.51 | valdyn | Vme: just use a live cd. |
| 17:13.09 | zoldar | hello, how to compile kernel modules do redhat cluster from redhat-cluster-source package? nothing seems to happen there when i do make-kpkg modules (as usual). I've noticed that the package lacks /debian directory. Anybody got experience with this? |
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| 17:13.43 | valdyn | zoldar: is there a redhat*tar.bz2 ( or gz ) file in /usr/src ? |
| 17:14.05 | zoldar | yes it is - i've unpacked it |
| 17:14.28 | valdyn | zoldar: so now the source tree is in /usr/src/modules ? |
| 17:14.35 | zoldar | right |
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| 17:14.44 | valdyn | zoldar: run 'make-kpkg modules-image' |
| 17:14.49 | zoldar | but there's no debian directory |
| 17:14.58 | zoldar | ok i'll try |
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| 17:15.17 | Rippawallet | http://3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592.com/ |
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| 17:15.58 | zoldar | nothing |
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| 17:16.15 | zoldar | as if it wasn't there at all |
| 17:16.19 | valdyn | zoldar: look at the bts |
| 17:16.36 | zoldar | err, sorry, what? |
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| 17:17.16 | valdyn | !bts |
| 17:17.17 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 17:18.23 | valdyn | zoldar: that package seems to be broken, bts might have a bug report already |
| 17:18.34 | zoldar | thanks, i've been googling that problem, and there was similiar problem reported as bug, but it was almost a year ago, and there was no solution :( |
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| 17:19.04 | zoldar | well, they should have plenty of time to fix it then |
| 17:19.20 | zoldar | sh... :( |
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| 17:20.09 | nescius | does stable have php-pear |
| 17:20.20 | MaxeyPad | I have a debian sarge system and the old progeny archive is broken...its not been updated in a while. Where could i find other package mirrors for sarge |
| 17:20.23 | MaxeyPad | for apt |
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| 17:21.42 | Kvant | MaxeyPad, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 17:24.30 | nescius | i mean php-pear for stable, i cant use the testing one because of php5 dependency |
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| 17:39.29 | Christoph_vW | I am just trying to install Debian on my new server - but it doesn't detect the NICs |
| 17:39.32 | Christoph_vW | Intel® (ESB2/Gilgal) |
| 17:39.35 | Christoph_vW | any idea? |
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| 17:39.49 | Vme | is there something wrong with this line in my /etc/fstab?? /dev/sda1 /mnt/disk2 ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 17:40.28 | Vme | i'm mounting that drive as just a drive to store files |
| 17:40.28 | Vme | its not running any part of the OS |
| 17:40.53 | stew | Vme: in the last column 1 indicates the root partition, this is not your root partition. man fstab |
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| 17:47.09 | Smoked1 | I am getting a poweredge server that has 3 SCSI drives and I am going to install debian. My question is what would be the best RAID config to use with three drives? I was thinking RAID5 but with raid 5 I think that I should get another drive to use as a hot spare. Looking for some input on this from some other experienced admins. |
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| 17:48.11 | apk | Smoked1: What is the machine for? Does it store important data? Are there other machines that will pick up if this fails? Is performance more important than any data on it? |
| 17:48.35 | Smoked1 | This will be a web server. All of the data is important yes |
| 17:48.42 | Smoked1 | No machines for failover |
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| 17:49.18 | Smoked1 | Performance should not be that much of an issue because it will only be hosting a few sites |
| 17:49.26 | CrakeHunter | hello, im trying to install the nvidia drivers (official). unfortunately the installation routine tells me that it connaot find the kernel-source. i should install kernel-src or/and kernel-dev. now id like to know which packages from the repositories i have to install exactly |
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| 17:49.41 | CrakeHunter | btw debian 4 runs like a charm so far :) |
| 17:50.05 | apk | If you only have 1 web server, (no failover) it can't be that important. |
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| 17:50.43 | apk | Or you're like me and it is that important, but your boss won't spend the money for another server. (: |
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| 17:50.52 | Smoked1 | Bingo! |
| 17:51.25 | Smoked1 | I would like nothing more than to have a nice cluster but it's just not in the budget |
| 17:51.34 | squisher | I'm having a weird problem... when I ssh into my server, and try to tail the apache's access.log, my ssh session just hangs with no output |
| 17:51.35 | apk | Smoked1: I assume the data stored on it is backed up elsewhere? |
| 17:51.38 | Smoked1 | Even round robin dns would be ok |
| 17:51.48 | squisher | when I go to the server, I can tail the access.log just fine... |
| 17:52.00 | Smoked1 | Will be backed up to tape and stored offsite |
| 17:52.18 | Smoked1 | Also backed up over the network to another hard disk |
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| 17:53.36 | CrakeHunter | does anyone know which packages i have to install be4 installing the (official) nvidia drivers? |
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| 17:54.00 | valdyn | CrakeHunter: on which debian release? |
| 17:55.19 | CrakeHunter | deb 4 |
| 17:55.19 | valdyn | CrakeHunter: linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential |
| 17:55.19 | rahul | CrakeHunter: note that the official drivers are not the ones that nvidia ships |
| 17:55.19 | rahul | debian has the nvidia drivers already. |
| 17:55.19 | CrakeHunter | o, uhm sry i wasnt clear then. i am talking about the latest nvidias from www.nvidia.com |
| 17:55.29 | rahul | CrakeHunter: you're on your own if you want those |
| 17:55.31 | CrakeHunter | i know ppl dislike them, but i need them 4 cedega (cough) |
| 17:55.37 | CrakeHunter | okay :/ |
| 17:55.44 | rahul | they WILL break your X installation |
| 17:55.52 | rahul | or an X upgrade will break them |
| 17:56.18 | rahul | if you use them as packaged by debian, they will work with other debian packages. |
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| 17:56.30 | Smoked1 | apk: What are your thoughts sir? |
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| 17:56.57 | CrakeHunter | ok then... i just choose the package manager to install the nvidias then... thx |
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| 17:57.17 | x_link | Is there anyway I can see if my RAM is working as Dual Channel? Just bought another RAM today |
| 17:57.36 | abrotman | your bios should tell you |
| 17:57.46 | valdyn | x_link: boot screen of your bios |
| 17:57.54 | cahoot | dmidecode? |
| 17:58.23 | x_link | valdyn: Okey, cause I have 2 yellow slots and 2 black ones, I put them in the yellow slots. |
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| 18:00.30 | sidjster | gigabyte board?? dual channel? |
| 18:00.31 | epsilon | you have 4 slots like [yellow black] [yellow black]? |
| 18:00.56 | sidjster | slot 1,3 |
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| 18:01.30 | sidjster | tells you on boot will say DUAL CHANNEL ENABLED |
| 18:01.33 | epsilon | or both black - the manual should tell you that |
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| 18:02.04 | sidjster | what mobo? |
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| 18:02.29 | sidjster | i just lowered my ram timings 2 2 2 10 |
| 18:02.37 | sidjster | mushkin rocks |
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| 18:08.04 | eefwak | rahul: |
| 18:08.14 | eefwak | rahul see, I'm banned |
| 18:08.17 | rahul | it's a funny looking ewok! |
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| 18:08.36 | rahul | heh, that's what you get for being inferior to me |
| 18:08.42 | eefwak | I couldn't get in here unless I changed my nick |
| 18:08.50 | ardya | you kawfee |
| 18:08.55 | eefwak | you ardya |
| 18:09.02 | rahul | no, he's a funny-looking ewok now |
| 18:09.18 | rahul | !penixstrike eefwak |
| 18:09.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking eefwak to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:09.22 | ardya | that assumes ewoks arent funny looking |
| 18:09.30 | rahul | heh :) |
| 18:09.48 | eefwak | heh |
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| 18:10.01 | eefwak | !sussudio |
| 18:10.01 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, eefwak! |
| 18:10.06 | eefwak | !kawfee |
| 18:10.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kawfee is KAWFEH, or married to Boris, the russian Ebay Bride. A troll; like a bot, but squishier, or see also smartass |
| 18:10.11 | sidjster | !shoot rahul |
| 18:10.19 | nescius | oh crap! apache wont run and die before it touch the logs so i dont know what happened |
| 18:10.19 | sidjster | got em for ya |
| 18:10.28 | nescius | ..stable |
| 18:10.32 | rahul | nescius: strace it, maybe? |
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| 18:10.46 | nescius | nothing, it simply hangs up |
| 18:10.49 | eefwak | sussudio: hi there |
| 18:11.07 | CrakeHunter | is there a way to check the package manager for recently installed packages? (sorted by time, so that if i want to remove a package i can find it without writing it down) |
| 18:12.10 | sidjster | just use aptitude |
| 18:12.15 | nescius | apachectl configtest |
| 18:12.16 | nescius | Syntax OK |
| 18:13.33 | Christoph_vW | has someone running debian on a board with the ESB2 southbridge here? |
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| 18:13.58 | Christoph_vW | it doesn't detect the hdds on the S-ATA controller and the NICs aren't detected either |
| 18:14.33 | nescius | am i cursed because i said that debian worth $%^? why this things happening to me?! |
| 18:14.55 | nescius | how can i like it when anything work here?! |
| 18:15.31 | rahul | Christoph_vW: use a kernel version that has support for them |
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| 18:15.53 | rahul | nescius: it works for us... we don't know what you did... |
| 18:16.15 | nescius | reinstalled it with new stable version |
| 18:16.43 | Christoph_vW | rahul: and where do I get an installer cd then? |
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| 18:17.09 | rahul | Christoph_vW: tell me what kernel you need and we can go from there |
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| 18:17.49 | Christoph_vW | I think > 2.6.20 |
| 18:17.57 | rahul | eew |
| 18:18.14 | nescius | at last it saying something again |
| 18:18.20 | nescius | PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - eaccelerator_clear in Unknown on line 0 |
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| 18:20.39 | nescius | and its missing /etc/apache/share/magic which doesn't exists |
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| 18:20.59 | nescius | config files were also updated |
| 18:21.34 | Christoph_vW | yes, I need at least 2.6.20 |
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| 18:22.21 | Christoph_vW | how can I get a debian installer cd with kernel 2.6.20 or higher? |
| 18:22.24 | nescius | i need /etc/apache/share/magic where does it located? |
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| 18:23.54 | justin | Christoph_vW: where did this 2.6.20 requirement come from? |
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| 18:24.45 | Gliner | zdraveite |
| 18:24.51 | nescius | zdravim |
| 18:24.54 | Christoph_vW | the ESB2 southbridge of my mainboard |
| 18:24.59 | nescius | (doprdele) |
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| 18:25.52 | nescius | excuse me, because i am still in work and depressed because i will have to be here in satturday also |
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| 18:26.26 | Christoph_vW | I already had to install Fedora Core 6 on my other computer - because the debian kernel was too old :( |
| 18:26.57 | Ronin | Christoph_vW: 2.6.x is too old? |
| 18:27.16 | nescius | excuse me, but how do i locate a file in apt-cache? |
| 18:27.18 | Christoph_vW | for new mainboards, yes |
| 18:27.45 | Christoph_vW | the Tyan Tempest 5000PX req. 2.6.20 or higher |
| 18:27.50 | chemaja | nescius, apt-file |
| 18:27.58 | Christoph_vW | and the Asus P5B Deluxe req. 2.6.18 or higher |
| 18:28.17 | nescius | lol! |
| 18:28.19 | nescius | bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 18:28.33 | chemaja | nescius, aptitude install apt-file |
| 18:28.37 | justin | !tell nescius about search |
| 18:29.01 | Christoph_vW | and Fedora x64 runs like crap - apps like firefox and gaim crashing 40 times a day |
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| 18:29.42 | nescius | no way! there is no way to make me install libstdc++5 |
| 18:29.51 | chemaja | Christoph_vW, fedora is having QA issues in general atm apparently. |
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| 18:30.12 | nescius | thats almost the same as reinstall it from scratch |
| 18:30.13 | chemaja | Christoph_vW, as read on thar interwebs by me while casually browsing earlier today |
| 18:30.24 | Christoph_vW | when I don't find a way to install debian on these machines I am forced to install Windows Server 2003 |
| 18:30.36 | nescius | then i would pick any other distribution but debian |
| 18:30.43 | chemaja | Christoph_vW, won't you think of the children? |
| 18:31.02 | Christoph_vW | the only distribution with a recent kernel I found was FC6 |
| 18:31.02 | nescius | ..sorry for the tone |
| 18:31.16 | chemaja | Christoph_vW, http://distrowatch.com |
| 18:31.17 | Christoph_vW | but this isn't stable |
| 18:32.01 | chemaja | Christoph_vW, FC6 is balls. I've given that thing 5 too many attempts. |
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| 18:32.07 | nescius | i am using, unfortunally, debian stable, can you locate file "/etc/apache/share/magic" for me? i need it for running apache |
| 18:32.43 | Christoph_vW | no search option for kernel versions there :( |
| 18:32.51 | justin | nescius: the bot told you how to search for files |
| 18:32.52 | nescius | can you please locate the file for me? it should be in some package but i dont know where |
| 18:32.52 | rahul | !find /etc/apache/share/magic |
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| 18:33.12 | chemaja | nescius, http://packages.debian.org/stable/admin/apt-file |
| 18:33.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/apache/share/magic' returned no results. |
| 18:33.25 | rahul | it's not in debian |
| 18:33.31 | nescius | justin, and i told you that i cannot use apt-file because of its dependency |
| 18:33.33 | rahul | why are you looking for it? |
| 18:33.44 | rahul | nescius: stop trolling. seriously. |
| 18:33.50 | justin | nescius: the bot told you MULTIPLE ways to search for files |
| 18:33.52 | rahul | apt-file works fine on debian |
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| 18:34.18 | nescius | because apache with normally default settings saing that it needs it |
| 18:34.28 | rahul | nescius: in debian? |
| 18:34.34 | nescius | yes, in debian |
| 18:34.40 | nescius | debian stable |
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| 18:34.48 | rahul | why does no one else have this problem? |
| 18:35.02 | Ronin | rahul: you're special :) |
| 18:35.07 | rahul | where is the file referenced? |
| 18:35.22 | nescius | Syntax error on line 444 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: Invalid command 'TypesConfig', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 18:35.34 | nescius | its all connected with mod_mime_magic |
| 18:35.39 | rahul | nescius: what does that have to do with the file? |
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| 18:35.59 | justin | funny, apache on my system says MIMEMagicFile /usr/share/misc/file/magic.mime |
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| 18:37.38 | chemaja | Silence of the Trolls |
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| 18:38.11 | JoJoCrasher | any of you have your gnome menus get all fucked up after a recent update? |
| 18:38.19 | JoJoCrasher | like missing icons and shit |
| 18:38.37 | JoJoCrasher | missing everything I manually added to the menus/drawers |
| 18:39.53 | JoJoCrasher | 710 people, and im the only motherfucker awake? |
| 18:39.59 | JoJoCrasher | this is worse than #hack |
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| 18:40.25 | js_ | patient guy |
| 18:40.48 | nescius | rahul, i forgot, now its keeping diing from phpeaccelerator |
| 18:41.18 | cahoot | as motherfuckers go you're probably alone |
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| 18:42.14 | CrakeHunter | hi again, whats the command to test the glx function of my nviida - just installed the nvidia drivers |
| 18:42.16 | rahul | nescius: what debian package is it from? |
| 18:42.34 | CrakeHunter | glxinfo |grep rendering doesnt work |
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| 18:43.15 | rahul | "doesn't work"? |
| 18:43.18 | rahul | that's ridiculous. |
| 18:43.22 | hark | !doesn't work |
| 18:43.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 18:43.26 | eefwak | it doesn't work! |
| 18:43.33 | CrakeHunter | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 18:43.43 | hark | install mesa-utils |
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| 18:44.46 | rahul | CrakeHunter: that's not not working. that's not having the required package installed. |
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| 18:45.00 | nescius | rahul, i dont know that, history of the shell is too small, and i was trying stracing apache several times |
| 18:45.02 | rahul | please tell us the truth next time. |
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| 18:45.25 | rahul | nescius: so you have random shit installed on your box that's not from debian and it's debian's fault that the random shit doesn't work? |
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| 18:45.28 | nescius | rahul, thanks for the patience |
| 18:45.40 | nescius | haha! brave mister rahul |
| 18:46.02 | rahul | typically, we call people like you trolls. |
| 18:46.02 | nescius | no, there are only stable repo listed |
| 18:46.08 | stoned | hey |
| 18:46.10 | stoned | I got one page done |
| 18:46.22 | nescius | hey! i thought that you invented rtfm |
| 18:46.32 | rahul | you used a whole page of paper to roll a joint? |
| 18:46.49 | rahul | how are you still able to type? |
| 18:46.59 | nescius | funny |
| 18:47.03 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=hydrogen <-- checkit, download them if you want, use em if you want. I've seen hydrogen beats being released under gpl. It is XML source, so I guess it is considered software. I will include lisense information soon as I find it. |
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| 18:47.56 | rahul | stoned: dude, that page is KILLING my machine |
| 18:48.04 | stoned | rahul: how? |
| 18:48.06 | rahul | it's worse than about 10% of the myspace pages out there |
| 18:48.39 | nescius | yet its xml : |
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| 18:48.42 | rahul | assweasel is thrashing like crazy getting all the shit loaded |
| 18:49.03 | CrakeHunter | id like to know why debian has renamed firefox? is there a story behind? |
| 18:49.06 | stoned | argh |
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| 18:49.10 | stoned | it is broken xhtml |
| 18:49.13 | stoned | i will fix it |
| 18:49.14 | Ronin | !why iceweasel |
| 18:49.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, why iceweasel is debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 18:49.36 | nescius | so troll, he? |
| 18:49.48 | rahul | stoned: you're missing the umlaut over the e and the a in debian |
| 18:49.55 | rahul | ;) |
| 18:50.03 | CrakeHunter | heh, fun, i like the name ;) |
| 18:50.16 | nescius | i am going to uninstall it and try it again |
| 18:50.26 | nescius | apt-get remove right? |
| 18:50.42 | rahul | nescius: you have random shit everywhere. you need to reinstall the box |
| 18:50.48 | rahul | and stop using non-debian files |
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| 18:51.04 | nescius | rahul, how do you know wiseass? |
| 18:51.19 | eefwak | nescius: rahul is a wiseass |
| 18:51.22 | rahul | because you have non-debian shit all over your machine, according to you |
| 18:51.25 | nescius | i didnt installed this box anyway |
| 18:51.36 | rahul | nescius: then how do you know it's debian? |
| 18:51.40 | g333k_work | hi, can you recommend me a USB tv tuner supported by linux? |
| 18:51.45 | rahul | how do you know what's installed? |
| 18:51.49 | eefwak | look at the file in /etc |
| 18:51.52 | rahul | g333k_work: usb? eew. |
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| 18:52.00 | Zythion | Hello everyone. |
| 18:52.00 | nescius | bacause debian is everywhere in this company, thats why |
| 18:52.10 | rahul | eefwak: echo 22.5 > /etc/redhat_version |
| 18:52.13 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:52.14 | Zythion | ;) |
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| 18:52.16 | g333k_work | rahul, yep... so I can use it with my laptop and my desktop |
| 18:52.17 | Zythion | The way to go. |
| 18:52.20 | cydork | g333k_work: check http://www.linuxtv.org/ if they have some info about that.. |
| 18:52.29 | rahul | nescius: whoever set up the box made a real mess. |
| 18:52.33 | g333k_work | cydork, thanks |
| 18:52.45 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionf |
| 18:52.45 | Zythion | /index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8 |
| 18:52.46 | Zythion | .com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:52.47 | rahul | nescius: it is not our job to learn your company's local hacks for setting up apache |
| 18:52.49 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionf |
| 18:52.50 | cydork | wtf?? |
| 18:52.51 | eefwak | haha |
| 18:52.53 | shao_lap | .. |
| 18:52.54 | Zythion | /index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.phphttp://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:52.55 | eefwak | Zythion: NO! |
| 18:52.55 | shao_lap | kick |
| 18:52.57 | rahul | ... |
| 18:53.00 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:53.01 | eefwak | bad dog |
| 18:53.04 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:53.08 | cydork | !ops Zythion spaming |
| 18:53.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: Zythion spaming |
| 18:53.08 | chemaja | heehee |
| 18:53.09 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:53.10 | Ronin | !ops Zythion is flooding teh channel |
| 18:53.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: ronin complains about: Zythion is flooding teh channel |
| 18:53.12 | Ronin | doh |
| 18:53.12 | sidjster | what the hell |
| 18:53.14 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:53.19 | Zythion | http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php http://z8.invisionfree.com/Klosd/index.php |
| 18:53.22 | cydork | Ronin: you lose |
| 18:53.22 | Ronin | another day another jackass |
| 18:53.23 | dErFFF | wtf |
| 18:53.25 | chemaja | Zythion, you're going down, buddy. |
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| 18:54.06 | xand | what programs does package nd generating |
| 18:54.06 | xand | libdvbpsi4-dev - development files for libdvbpsi4 |
| 18:54.08 | xand | oh shit |
| 18:54.24 | xand | what programs does package dvb-utils install? (on etch) |
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| 18:55.53 | cahoot | xand: try apt-cache show dvb-utils |
| 18:56.12 | xand | thanks |
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| 18:56.17 | nescius | almost everything has label with stable, there is a http://www.midgard-project.org listed, i will remove it (after i'll learn how) and try the installation again, su untill then |
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| 18:58.03 | xand | o.o |
| 18:58.08 | xand | cahoot: yes? |
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| 19:01.24 | xand | erm |
| 19:01.26 | xand | cydork: yes? :P |
| 19:01.55 | pickcoder | the gremlins are still running around apparently |
| 19:02.06 | pickcoder | no one knows why our wireless link died |
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| 19:02.29 | pickcoder | no one knows why our wireless link died |
| 19:02.31 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:03.14 | cydork | xand: blondie whould have never asked that question.. who are you ? :P |
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| 19:03.49 | xand | cydork: ORLY |
| 19:03.54 | nescius | rahul, my list of sources is here http://rafb.net/p/Suc3Ad44.html i've just commented out the last line |
| 19:04.02 | pickcoder | gah |
| 19:04.11 | earthian | hello, i am trying to send a file with skype, but the "open" button in open file dialog does not work!!! wtf? |
| 19:04.17 | cydork | xand: ^_^ |
| 19:04.23 | earthian | i remember i was able to send files before what could cause that? |
| 19:04.23 | rahul | nescius: that's irrelevant |
| 19:04.36 | nescius | rahul, whats relevant then? |
| 19:04.38 | rahul | nescius: you've modified files from what debian makes them |
| 19:04.38 | cydork | earthian: blame skype :) |
| 19:04.40 | Quintin | earthian: latest version of skype really sucks. dunno why. recommend downgrading |
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| 19:04.48 | bzed | earthian: blame skype for not sharing their source |
| 19:04.52 | cydork | Quintin: they have a new version?? |
| 19:05.07 | rahul | nescius: you have added configurations for things that are not in debian. how are we supposed to know why you didn't set them up to work? |
| 19:05.12 | nescius | rahul, i am not trolling, i just want to get it fixed and go home |
| 19:05.13 | earthian | but that is not problem of skype... something fuked in qt3 or so |
| 19:05.33 | nescius | rahul, what? |
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| 19:05.45 | Quintin | cydork: I do believe so. when I set up skype on my new pc it was acting all screwed up .. before it worked admirably |
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| 19:06.09 | nescius | rahul, like which? |
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| 19:08.44 | JoshJ | so, I was in here last night trying to install sarge, and it didn't work |
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| 19:08.53 | JoshJ | so i got the latest testing snapshot, and it's not working either, for a different reason |
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| 19:09.11 | JoshJ | it actually boots this time, but it won't connect to the internet :( |
| 19:09.26 | rahul | nescius: it's your box. how do we know all the random things you've changed? there was that mime magic file, for example |
| 19:09.50 | rahul | nescius: and this phpeaccelerator, which you say is part of the strace but you don't know where the program came from |
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| 19:10.07 | pickcoder | JoshJ: what kind of internet connection do you have |
| 19:10.08 | JoshJ | Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC <-- this is what my ethernet hardware is |
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| 19:10.55 | nescius | php4-eaccelerator - stable |
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| 19:12.07 | markybob | blah. eaccelerator sucks |
| 19:12.18 | rahul | duh, it's for php |
| 19:12.23 | rahul | !penixstrike markybob |
| 19:12.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking markybob to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:12.27 | bzed | php suxx |
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| 19:12.40 | bzed | would be a fast sucker then |
| 19:13.11 | bzed | turck-mmcache is in debian, if you need fast suxxors |
| 19:13.21 | stoned | rahul: I fixed the errors |
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| 19:13.24 | nescius | markybob, thats for surre but we need it, because of ezpublish (!) |
| 19:13.29 | JoshJ | pickcoder, a quick google search suggests that is in the debian kernel |
| 19:13.33 | nescius | now this suck! |
| 19:13.35 | stoned | rahul: it all validates properly now. http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=hydrogen |
| 19:13.38 | pickcoder | JoshJ: what kind of internet connection do you have |
| 19:13.38 | stoned | check it |
| 19:13.44 | JoshJ | <JoshJ> Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC <-- this is what my ethernet hardware is |
| 19:13.51 | pickcoder | that's not what I asked |
| 19:13.54 | markybob | nescius, i dont have a clue what ezpublish is, but why dont you use an accelerator that doesnt segfault all the time? like apc, which will soon be officially integrated into php itself? |
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| 19:14.04 | JoshJ | it's cat-5 to my university's LAN |
| 19:14.09 | rkirmizi | hi all |
| 19:14.15 | pickcoder | so it's a permanent internet connection |
| 19:14.15 | rkirmizi | i have a problem |
| 19:14.17 | JoshJ | yes |
| 19:14.20 | JoshJ | not DHCP |
| 19:14.32 | rkirmizi | i have a debian server and plesk on it |
| 19:14.36 | pickcoder | did you configure the interface correctly? |
| 19:14.49 | bzed | JoshH: permament does nto mean NOT dhcp |
| 19:14.59 | JoshJ | bzed, i'm 99% sure it's a static IP |
| 19:15.05 | rahul | stoned: it's the layered translucent stuff I think |
| 19:15.09 | bzed | JoshH: you can still give out staticIPs via dhcp |
| 19:15.10 | rkirmizi | i wanna uninstall anything on my server but one of my web site must stay there |
| 19:15.12 | JoshJ | hm |
| 19:15.25 | pickcoder | JoshJ: more than likely it's DHCP |
| 19:15.25 | rkirmizi | how can i install plesk and all its components |
| 19:15.30 | Quintin | Is it just me or is sshfs *really* buggy? |
| 19:15.33 | rkirmizi | i wanna use only apache mysql |
| 19:15.34 | stoned | rahul: what is? |
| 19:15.34 | rahul | stoned: and half the pages are blank |
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| 19:15.38 | pickcoder | else they have a room of monkeys maintaining IPs |
| 19:15.40 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:15.43 | rahul | stoned: what makes assweasel crawl |
| 19:15.45 | stoned | rahul: i posted the link to the hydrogen page |
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| 19:16.00 | nescius | markybob, then you are lucky, our programers keeping telling us strange and scarry stories about this ezpublish, they are also eventually going mad |
| 19:16.01 | stoned | rahul: if I had inteded for you to see the empty pages I would have told you so |
| 19:16.02 | rahul | stoned: I mean, I've seen worse on myspace... |
| 19:16.07 | fusion | Hi, does debian-64 run 32 bit libs and binaries very well? (very well meaning will most of them run?) I've heard fedora does and I tried using it but I really don't fancy it |
| 19:16.09 | stoned | rahul: this is bad? |
| 19:16.11 | rahul | stoned: yeah, well, I'm poking around |
| 19:16.15 | stoned | rahul: how is this bad? |
| 19:16.18 | JoshJ | hm |
| 19:16.21 | bzed | JoshH: school/uni networks ususally use DHCP because it happens that they have to change networks and IP ranges... and changing the IP on every computer is a waste of time |
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| 19:16.24 | Quintin | I use IP addresses assigned via DHCP using MAC addr to give certain addy |
| 19:16.25 | stoned | rahul: join #css if you can |
| 19:16.26 | rahul | stoned: being better than the worst myspace pages? heh |
| 19:16.33 | JoshJ | well, it does use DHCP, but the automatic connecting didn't detect it :( |
| 19:16.43 | nescius | markybob, but the ezpublish doesnt work with php5, so we have to stick with php4 |
| 19:16.44 | stoned | rahul: I'm only using 1 transparent png |
| 19:16.51 | Thms | anyone know what is LLC or VC for my internet connection in my router ? |
| 19:16.56 | stoned | there is nothing but css and xhtml and 1 transparent png |
| 19:16.58 | rahul | stoned: the bg for the main content area is translucent |
| 19:17.02 | bzed | fusion: didn;t have any problems so far. but all I use is google-earth, opera, skype and a few small programs |
| 19:17.03 | markybob | nescius, doesnt work with php5? php5 has been out for ages. that's pathetic |
| 19:17.08 | markybob | nescius, you guys need to move on :) |
| 19:17.08 | fusion | Thms what area are you in |
| 19:17.11 | rahul | stoned: yeah, what makes yours better is tha it doesn't use flash ;) |
| 19:17.14 | pickcoder | JoshJ: paste your /etc/network/interfaces on a pastebin |
| 19:17.15 | stoned | rahul: its the same iamge, with a different brightness value |
| 19:17.15 | Thms | fusion: area ? France ? |
| 19:17.19 | stoned | position fixed |
| 19:17.20 | fusion | bzed: ah this is a server... perhaps I should at least try it |
| 19:17.23 | Quintin | sshfs ? buggy ? |
| 19:17.27 | JoshJ | pickcoder, hang on |
| 19:17.27 | rahul | stoned: no, it's a solid color |
| 19:17.34 | nescius | markybob, haha! its not even in debian stable, so what do you want? |
| 19:17.35 | rahul | stoned: oh, it's pegged to the window |
| 19:17.36 | fusion | Thms: try one - if it doesn't work, try the other :) |
| 19:17.37 | JoshJ | i'm trying to find my info on windows so i can put that info on linux |
| 19:17.39 | stoned | rahul: what browser are you viewing it in |
| 19:17.43 | bzed | fusion: hmm, which 32 bit stuff do you need on a server? |
| 19:17.51 | stoned | konqi and icewanker do it properly |
| 19:17.54 | stoned | it all validates |
| 19:17.55 | fusion | bzed: DirectAdmin (clients love it) |
| 19:17.58 | Thms | fusion: both work, but I want to know what is the best |
| 19:17.58 | rahul | stoned: assweasel |
| 19:17.59 | stoned | its got eye candy and soothing colors |
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| 19:18.03 | enouf | JoshJ: switch to Alt-F2 enter a shell and modprobe 8139too |
| 19:18.04 | markybob | nescius, debian stable is ancient. that doesnt make it ok. you can use php5 backports to get php5 in stable very easily and safely |
| 19:18.08 | rahul | stoned: it's demanding on resources |
| 19:18.14 | JoshJ | enouf, that's another problem |
| 19:18.15 | stoned | rahul: what are you running man |
| 19:18.17 | fusion | Thms: What does your telco prefer? |
| 19:18.18 | JoshJ | i don't have a GUI |
| 19:18.21 | stoned | like a 266mhz p2 |
| 19:18.21 | stoned | ? |
| 19:18.25 | Thms | fusion: telco ? |
| 19:18.26 | JoshJ | the testing snapshot seems to only have installed a minimal shell |
| 19:18.30 | rahul | stoned: heh |
| 19:18.30 | enouf | you don't need GUI JoshJ |
| 19:18.36 | fusion | Thms: telephone company |
| 19:18.37 | Thms | fusion: I don't see any differences if you mean my connection |
| 19:18.39 | JoshJ | then why do i need to alt-f2? |
| 19:18.42 | rahul | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ |
| 19:18.44 | enouf | JoshJ: erm .. for modprobing .. |
| 19:18.45 | stoned | ahh |
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| 19:18.54 | stoned | rahul: now thats your problem :) |
| 19:18.56 | fusion | there probably isnt much difference when it comes down to DSL |
| 19:19.04 | rahul | stoned: web pages should not be CPU intensive... |
| 19:19.07 | fusion | odd that both work though |
| 19:19.18 | Thms | okay fusion |
| 19:19.19 | enouf | JoshJ: then don't .. the install screen is usually occupying f1 |
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| 19:19.27 | rahul | stoned: you're not even using DHTML... |
| 19:19.30 | JoshJ | enouf, like i said, i got it to install properly |
| 19:20.48 | rahul | (or are you?) |
| 19:20.48 | pickcoder | JoshJ: enouf's instructions are for the installer |
| 19:20.48 | stoned | rahul: ok, tarzeau and you are apparantly the only ones requesting this, so I guess I'll php dynamic stylesheets. You can pick the one you want from the dropdown menu |
| 19:20.49 | pickcoder | not the base-install which you now have |
| 19:20.49 | JoshJ | though if i have to reinstall to get the network to work i'm fine with that i guess :/ |
| 19:20.49 | enouf | JoshJ: fine .. just modporbe from outerspace then ;-P |
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| 19:20.50 | stoned | rahul: I'll make it plaintext only |
| 19:20.50 | stoned | rahul: cry baby |
| 19:20.50 | stoned | :) |
| 19:20.50 | rahul | stoned: color is fine. |
| 19:20.50 | rahul | stoned: translucency is what kills it |
| 19:20.50 | nescius | markybob, indeed it is, but i dont have stomack for reinstalling every server here with something fresh, i did it once with some hot new server which has SAS disks, i tried debian etch rc4, but without success, so then i sticked with centos which works flawlessly |
| 19:20.50 | enouf | JoshJ: thn lsmod will show if it's loaded or not .. lsmod | grep 8139 |
| 19:20.50 | rahul | stoned: my myspace page works well on my system |
| 19:20.50 | stoned | rahul: I am NOT using opacity filters or opacity properties anywhere |
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| 19:20.51 | JoshJ | enouf, thanks, i'll be rebooting in a minute |
| 19:20.51 | rahul | stoned: maybe it's the overlapping iframes... |
| 19:20.58 | JoshJ | one thing though, where do i find my DNS name on windows? it's not in ipconfig :/ |
| 19:21.09 | stoned | rahul: its just a div, with a background image. i used the bodybg, brightened it up a tad bit, and stuck inside the context text div with position fixed so it dosnt scroll |
| 19:21.12 | rahul | uh |
| 19:21.17 | stoned | there is no translucency stuff here in css |
| 19:21.19 | rahul | how do you select stylesheets in assweasel? |
| 19:21.20 | markybob | nescius, in that case, you're kinda screwed :) sorry. eaccelerator is not stable and appears that it will continue on that route |
| 19:21.23 | rahul | do I need to use mozilla? |
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| 19:21.35 | rahul | stoned: yeah, I see tat now |
| 19:21.40 | stoned | rahul: look at the css |
| 19:21.50 | pickcoder | JoshJ: um.. it's in the TCP setup window unless you're using DHCP |
| 19:21.53 | nescius | markybob, its more stable than ezpublish :D |
| 19:22.03 | enouf | JoshJ: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:22.07 | rahul | stoned: my myspace page is twice as fast as your page there |
| 19:22.08 | enouf | usually |
| 19:22.10 | rahul | I don't get it. |
| 19:22.11 | JoshJ | er... |
| 19:22.13 | enouf | are where the nameservers are |
| 19:22.15 | pickcoder | then all are fields are greyed out |
| 19:22.18 | bzed | JoshH: ipconfig /all |
| 19:22.20 | JoshJ | enouf, i doubt windows XP has a /etc for me to find it in |
| 19:22.21 | bzed | JoshH: in windows... |
| 19:22.22 | JoshJ | bzed, thanks |
| 19:22.22 | markybob | nescius, like i said, i dont know ezpublish, but that sounds like a pretty bad compliment to eaccelerator ;) |
| 19:22.25 | rahul | stoned: I assume it's all the position: stuff |
| 19:22.31 | stoned | rahul: probably because my page is loading 1mb of images on load |
| 19:22.32 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:22.35 | enouf | JoshJ: oh .. on XPoop ? .. no idea .. hrm |
| 19:22.39 | rahul | stoned: really? |
| 19:22.43 | rahul | you kawfee |
| 19:22.45 | stoned | rahul: unfortunately |
| 19:22.48 | enouf | JoshJ: does ipconfig /all help? |
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| 19:23.00 | rahul | stoned: what do you use a MB of images for? |
| 19:23.00 | JoshJ | no, that doesn't seem to have what i'm looking for |
| 19:23.09 | stoned | rahul: main bg is 400kb png, and I copied it over, brightened it up, and again its 400kb in another div. plus the buttons |
| 19:23.15 | stoned | about 850kb is used |
| 19:23.19 | rahul | holy crap |
| 19:23.23 | JoshJ | all i had to do was /whois myself here |
| 19:23.30 | rahul | wtf, it's 1600 px wide? |
| 19:23.39 | stoned | yup |
| 19:23.47 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 19:23.47 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:23.48 | stoned | css can't stretch images |
| 19:23.49 | pickcoder | JoshJ: um..you really should go into the TCP/IP config under net settings |
| 19:23.49 | enouf | late again .. hrm |
| 19:23.52 | rahul | bleh |
| 19:24.03 | JoshJ | anyway, i'm going to reboot now and try to set this stuff up properly |
| 19:24.05 | stoned | rahul: so I decided to make the image bit in case someone has a 1900x or 1600x resolution |
| 19:24.07 | JoshJ | thanks for the help |
| 19:24.07 | pickcoder | if it's using DHCP then you really shouldn't manually configure the nic |
| 19:24.16 | stoned | s/bit/bi |
| 19:24.19 | stoned | big! fuck |
| 19:24.19 | JoshJ | pickcoder, the debian autodetect thing didn't work for DHCP |
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| 19:24.28 | rahul | stoned: if they have 1900 wide it'll look like crap, because the image doesn't tile well |
| 19:24.29 | bzed | JoshH: what does ifconfig -a say?> |
| 19:24.31 | pickcoder | JoshJ: maybe that's because the module didn't load? |
| 19:24.38 | JoshJ | pickcoder, gonna check that too |
| 19:24.45 | stoned | rahul: well I can make it bigger ;) |
| 19:24.56 | rahul | yep, it looks like crap on my system when I max the window |
| 19:24.56 | JoshJ | bzed, i can't do that and talk to you on windoze at the same time ... |
| 19:24.59 | JoshH | bzed: stop trying to tab complete him |
| 19:25.03 | rahul | heh |
| 19:25.16 | JoshJ | will look at it when i reboot, thanks |
| 19:25.18 | bzed | JoshH: outch lol sorry :D |
| 19:25.23 | JoshH | :P |
| 19:25.25 | rahul | not that I should talk. my myspace page's bg doesn't tile at all. |
| 19:25.28 | JoshJ | anything else before i reboot? |
| 19:25.30 | stoned | rahul: for my first time I think I did pretty good |
| 19:25.34 | stoned | rahul: fuck myspace |
| 19:25.45 | rahul | stoned: sure, but look at my css |
| 19:25.47 | stoned | rahul: /msg me your myspace link |
| 19:25.49 | rahul | stoned: http://www.myspace.com/photinodecay |
| 19:25.52 | bzed | JoshJ: if you have an eth0 interface (ifconfig -a will show that) try dmesg | grep eth |
| 19:26.05 | JoshJ | allright |
| 19:26.09 | stoned | hmm |
| 19:26.11 | bzed | JoshJ: it should show you if your network card has a link |
| 19:26.13 | rahul | mutliline links are still a pain, tho |
| 19:26.18 | rahul | and image links |
| 19:26.20 | stoned | rahul: http://www.myspace.com/hborger |
| 19:26.26 | bzed | JoshJ: if it has a link, try dhclient eth0 and check if you get an IP |
| 19:26.38 | JoshJ | ok |
| 19:26.40 | rahul | haha |
| 19:26.42 | JoshJ | i'll try this now, thanks |
| 19:26.44 | rahul | that's kinda... minimal |
| 19:26.45 | bzed | JoshJ: if you do, something is just wrong in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:27.00 | JoshJ | yeah |
| 19:27.11 | stoned | i recently do myspace cuz all my friends forced me to use it |
| 19:27.16 | markybob | rahul, you have a myspace sound with an embedded song...wow. how precious ;) |
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| 19:27.27 | rahul | markybob: wha? |
| 19:27.42 | rahul | I mostly use myspace to keep track of bands |
| 19:27.58 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:28.06 | stoned | rahul you're a funny looking kid |
| 19:28.08 | rahul | as you can see from my frinds :P |
| 19:28.10 | stoned | in a good way |
| 19:28.10 | rahul | heh |
| 19:28.46 | rahul | the pics I have of me on there are some of the wierder ones |
| 19:29.02 | rahul | http://myspace-444.vo.llnwd.net/01208/44/42/1208202444_l.jpg <- and no, that's not my face |
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| 19:29.14 | rahul | it's my EYE! |
| 19:29.30 | concept10 | markybob, that was funny |
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| 19:29.39 | rahul | oh, might as well get rid of the morgue directions map |
| 19:30.12 | stoned | http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=46483774&albumID=0&imageID=231114 <--me =D |
| 19:30.12 | rahul | eh, maybe not, it might come useful in the future |
| 19:30.17 | markybob | rahul, i was going to ask you for your opinion on some logo designs...but now that i've seen your myself...well.. |
| 19:30.19 | markybob | ;) |
| 19:30.23 | rahul | stoned: heh |
| 19:30.25 | concept10 | lol |
| 19:30.28 | rahul | haha |
| 19:30.31 | rahul | markybob: what logo? |
| 19:30.32 | stoned | hey quit lguing at me |
| 19:30.34 | stoned | :( |
| 19:30.39 | rahul | heh, I don't have a logo |
| 19:31.07 | markybob | rahul, i'll pm you the location if that's ok. dont want everyone in here having a field day |
| 19:31.09 | concept10 | rahul, you have that 1996 flair about you |
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| 19:31.13 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:31.22 | rahul | I am so 90s, I know |
| 19:31.24 | stoned | that was the old me |
| 19:31.29 | rahul | markybob: ok |
| 19:31.34 | stoned | http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=46483774&albumID=0&imageID=231435 <-- new clean me |
| 19:31.42 | concept10 | The great days of stars in the background and MIDI files |
| 19:31.50 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:32.06 | stoned | click to play the song on my myspace page www.myspace.com/hborger |
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| 19:32.16 | stoned | I set it to not autoplay, it annoys me and im sure it annoys other people too |
| 19:32.20 | stoned | its a good song |
| 19:32.20 | concept10 | my page sucks too |
| 19:32.29 | stoned | concept10: here lookit this |
| 19:32.41 | stoned | concept10: http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=hydrogen |
| 19:32.47 | stoned | check the beats out |
| 19:32.51 | stoned | I finally got one page done today |
| 19:33.21 | ewanm89 | Do you have any idea why all my php login pages won't work? The form just comes back empty aking for username and password. This is across PHPMyadmin, Mediawiki and my wordpress blog. |
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| 19:33.31 | rahul | oh, I have autoplay disabled globally on myspace |
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| 19:34.01 | stoned | concept10: this is the first time I have done a website really |
| 19:34.07 | stoned | with php and xhtml and css and all that |
| 19:34.11 | stoned | Its fun man I tell ya |
| 19:34.30 | concept10 | stoned, I got error trying to load song |
| 19:34.32 | stoned | plus I am loving my creations. I can be artistic with loads of translucencies and l33t imaes |
| 19:34.38 | stoned | concept10: why? |
| 19:34.39 | rahul | concept10: try again. it's myspace. |
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| 19:34.56 | concept10 | stoned, maybe I dont have the drum kits |
| 19:35.01 | ZeeO | hey guys need some help my buddy payed for a server from hosting biz then tryed to use some guide to set it all up seems he messed up good how can i remove all the packages he install and go back to a base system so i can start fresh with out reloading os cuz its on remote server |
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| 19:35.16 | concept10 | stoned, BTW I have thousands of drum samples if you want some |
| 19:35.27 | stoned | concept10: oh sure, break em out |
| 19:35.29 | stoned | now he tells |
| 19:35.31 | concept10 | stoned, even ones I recorded myself |
| 19:35.52 | concept10 | If I could mount this USB disk |
| 19:36.05 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:36.17 | stoned | concept10: I can make a virtual ftp user and you can upload your stuff to my computer and it will be in stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/concept10 |
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| 19:36.26 | rahul | most of the bands in my top friends have really good drummers |
| 19:36.37 | kopeah | hi all |
| 19:36.41 | stoned | hola |
| 19:36.45 | pickcoder | <- ex percusionist |
| 19:36.49 | kopeah | anyone here using ldap authentication with host based authentication? |
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| 19:37.38 | concept10 | stoned, you should try that app Wired. Im serious. I think you may like that one. I built 0.4alpha last night and its decent. That app has a future |
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| 19:38.03 | stoned | concept10: check out these licks |
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| 19:38.21 | stoned | concept10: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/ma3x_sucks.mp3 |
| 19:38.59 | ma3x | stoned: change your song name to -> ma3x_rulez_my_ass god damnit |
| 19:39.39 | stoned | hehe |
| 19:39.48 | stoned | thought I'd get your attention ;) |
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| 19:40.06 | stoned | kopeah: just ask about your problem |
| 19:40.08 | ma3x | yeah exclamation mark |
| 19:40.14 | stoned | !tell kopeah -about ask |
| 19:40.24 | Ronin | drummers are an odd bunch to be polite :) |
| 19:40.31 | kopeah | thnks |
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| 19:40.35 | JoyFM | hi |
| 19:40.36 | pickcoder | so are debian users |
| 19:40.48 | concept10 | I forgot, how do I list all current mounted partitions? |
| 19:40.48 | JoyFM | what means "ata3: spurious interupt (irq...)" ? |
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| 19:41.24 | shwag | whats the best way to turn off mysql from starting up at boot? |
| 19:41.34 | markybob | concept10, cat /etc/mtab ? df ? |
| 19:41.35 | kopeah | well.. got debian running ldap server and I've been using access.conf to manage who can access certain server and who can't. I read somewhere that you can actually add host to each user record in ldap to do this instead of using access.conf but can't seems to get it working |
| 19:41.42 | pinx | concept10: /etc/mtab |
| 19:42.00 | rahul | shwag: uninstall it if you don't need it. otherwise, man update-rc.d |
| 19:42.13 | concept10 | markybob, pinx : thanks |
| 19:42.23 | concept10 | this stupid USB disk is mounted FAT16 |
| 19:42.28 | bzed | kopeah: you want to read about ldap acls, access.conf is not really the way to go here |
| 19:43.01 | kopeah | bzed tried to modify the record by adding "host" but won't take it .. I guess its not on schema |
| 19:43.11 | rahul | markybob: actually, that image probably compresses well with jpeg, fwiw |
| 19:43.13 | pinx | concept10: some usb sticks are not partition-able and are all one vfat filesystem |
| 19:43.38 | bzed | kopeah: wait, I think I didn't completely understand what you really want to do... care to explain!? |
| 19:43.40 | concept10 | pinx, I think a error has caused this. I need to repair |
| 19:43.49 | markybob | rahul, word. |
| 19:43.55 | rahul | erm |
| 19:44.00 | rahul | markybob: never mind |
| 19:44.03 | kopeah | bzed: sure |
| 19:44.08 | rahul | yours wouldn't :P |
| 19:44.13 | markybob | heh |
| 19:44.21 | rahul | stoned: the background probably compresses well with jpeg |
| 19:45.14 | kopeah | bzed: I've been using ldap authentication with several servers .. so far, I've been using access.conf to manage who get access and who doesn't. Today I read somewhere that you can actually manage that using ldap by adding host to each user's information. |
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| 19:45.34 | stoned | rahul: hmm |
| 19:45.44 | stoned | rahul: I'll try it, but jpeg compression = low quality |
| 19:45.51 | ravan | can someone please explain the difference between the size TryMethods that hibernate.conf uses |
| 19:45.51 | rahul | stoned: why low quality? |
| 19:45.57 | rahul | stoned: it's got gradients |
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| 19:46.00 | stoned | I can make a choice in the menubar, you can pick your own stylesheets |
| 19:46.06 | stoned | like one with graphics or one without |
| 19:46.08 | concept10 | Im getting mad! How do I refresh my MTAB? the stupid drive is listed mounted and I cant umount? |
| 19:46.16 | stoned | i'll make the default stylesheet to be simple and easy |
| 19:46.18 | stoned | without much grapihcs |
| 19:46.30 | rahul | stoned: jpeg uses a DCT to compress the image. smooth curves work ewll with DCT |
| 19:47.02 | ewanm89 | Do you have any idea why all my php login pages won't work? The form just comes back empty aking for username and password. This is across PHPMyadmin, Mediawiki and my wordpress blog. |
| 19:47.04 | ravan | s/size/six |
| 19:47.05 | rahul | stoned: the thing is that my myspace page works quite well, even though it has a large graphic in the bg |
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| 19:47.13 | rahul | stoned: I'm quite sure it's all the position: absolute |
| 19:47.15 | bzed | kopeah: aaah yes, you can. let me find some docs about it, I don't know it from brain |
| 19:47.34 | stoned | rahul: you looked at the css yet |
| 19:47.42 | stoned | there is like maybe 1 absolute positioned element |
| 19:47.49 | kopeah | bzed: thanks |
| 19:47.52 | rahul | stoned: well, how it interacts with the fixed ones |
| 19:48.01 | kopeah | bzed: been trying to search everywhere but no luck ..hehe |
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| 19:49.04 | bzed | kopeah: but I know it works, the company behind gosa is using it in production |
| 19:49.11 | concept10 | stoned, bbl - shutdown now -r |
| 19:49.28 | rahul | stoned: maybe you need to make the body float as well, in a scrolling box |
| 19:49.55 | stoned | rahul: what!!! it works perfectly here and even on my slow ass 866mhz pc |
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| 19:50.06 | stoned | its not slow at all I dunno maybe you have a buggy browser |
| 19:50.22 | stoned | it works perfectly in opera, konqi, galeon, firefox/iw |
| 19:50.29 | rahul | I have assweasel |
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| 19:50.40 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am trying to set up dhcpv3 with dynamic dns but am wondering where the dns entry will be taken from when i use the host definition inside dhcp config and assight ip's based on mac. Will dns be updated with my entries or with whatever the host says its hostname is? |
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| 19:50.57 | rahul | I can tell it will be slow when you have longer content. it's hard to tell with such little opportunity to scroll |
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| 19:51.01 | jones- | Hello. |
| 19:51.03 | rahul | but it's more than a 250ms lag. |
| 19:51.41 | whaq | You, Sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. |
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| 19:51.54 | rgsteele | ponyofdeath: Um, that wasn't the most clear question in the entire world. I could guess about 5 different things you wanted there. |
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| 19:52.17 | rgsteele | ponyofdeath: Collect your thoughts, and rephrase please. |
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| 19:52.41 | jones- | If I want to generate daily debian builds (.deb) for my project, what's the best name convention to use? Something like myproject-${version}_${date}_${svn_revision_number}? |
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| 19:53.05 | ponyofdeath | rgsteele: sorry english is not my native language. basically i want to specify host definition inside dhcpd config and then that will get dynamically added to the dns. |
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| 19:53.21 | rgsteele | jones-: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ |
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| 19:54.45 | bzed | kopeah: I think what you need to look for is pam_member_attribute |
| 19:54.48 | jlhenry | Hello |
| 19:54.55 | rgsteele | ponyofdeath: You could specify the static IP's/MAC addresses inside your dhcpd.conf, then force the clients to renew. If the clients are Windows boxes, just an 'ipconfig /renew' from them. |
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| 19:55.08 | rgsteele | ponyofdeath: If the clients are *nix, an ifdown/ifup should do it. |
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| 19:55.19 | rgsteele | Also, don't forget to restart the dhcp server. |
| 19:55.32 | jones- | rgsteele: thanks, so that says my_project-1.0+YYYYMMDD, good. But in that case, if I want that done automatically by a script, should I have my script edit the files in /debian to change the date every day? |
| 19:55.36 | jlhenry | I'm building a embeded system and would like to start X and autologin. |
| 19:55.40 | jlhenry | how can I do it? |
| 19:55.44 | jlhenry | I try searching about xdm but it seems that it's not possible |
| 19:55.47 | jlhenry | any idea |
| 19:56.08 | rgsteele | jlhenry: http://linux.voyage.hk |
| 19:56.12 | kopeah | bzed: ok |
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| 19:56.27 | kopeah | bzed: I'll look for more information |
| 19:56.33 | rgsteele | jlhenry: It's a Debian based distro with a focus on embedded systems. |
| 19:56.39 | jones- | rgsteele: basically my script will do a debuild, but should it also change the version inside /debian/control etc? |
| 19:56.47 | kopeah | bzed: I read this http://linsec.ca/usermgmt/openldap.php but it doesn't tell you in details |
| 19:57.56 | bzed | kopeah: imho (open)ldap is the most undocumented thing of all |
| 19:58.06 | bzed | FDS has a very nice documentation, though |
| 19:58.59 | kopeah | bzed: I agreed |
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| 19:59.27 | rgsteele | jones-: Take time to read the manual if you're going to be a package maintainer...most questions are answered there, and it's important you adhere to all of the standards. I think your specific question is answered here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html |
| 19:59.37 | bzed | kopeah: but I guess #ldap is the better place to ask. also afaik the oreilley book called LDAP is good. didn't read it yet, though |
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| 19:59.47 | jones- | rgsteele: thank you very much. |
| 19:59.52 | rgsteele | jones-: Sure :) |
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| 20:04.59 | jones- | rgsteele: I'm really sorry, but I couldn't find an answare in that page :( |
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| 20:06.23 | rgsteele | jones-: How about the rest of the manual? I can't paste every manual page in the channel... poke around a bit, get familiar with it. If you're going to maintain a package, you're going to have to know it pretty well. |
| 20:07.26 | RvGaTe | im getting well anoyed now... im trying to get a login ready, login failed and login success sounds on my gdm |
| 20:07.32 | rgsteele | jones-: Besides, I don't know the answer to your question. The first place I'd look is the manual, and then Google. And if I'd thoroughly exhausted both of those resources, I'd ask in here. But, then again Friday afternoon might not be the best time to catch the devs. |
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| 20:07.57 | jones- | rgsteele: :) |
| 20:07.57 | Flimzy | time to think of a fun machine naming convention. |
| 20:08.10 | rgsteele | jones-: Try #debian-devel |
| 20:08.17 | rgsteele | Flimzy: Transformers |
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| 20:08.27 | rgsteele | Optimus Prime ftw |
| 20:08.34 | jones- | rgsteele: ok thanks. |
| 20:08.42 | Flimzy | rgsteele: I was thinknig pasta... they have long names nobody can spell :) |
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| 20:09.10 | Flimzy | maybe I'll use names of food |
| 20:09.16 | pickcoder | Flimzy: scientific bug names |
| 20:09.21 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 20:09.22 | stew | jones-: for a version number use 1.0+yymmdd if this build comes after 1.0 and 1.0~yymmdd if this build comes before 1.0 |
| 20:09.29 | rahul | tagliatelli? |
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| 20:09.34 | AntiInit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.43 | rgsteele | Yeah. Until somebody hits the panic button and you can't remember how to spell linguine :) |
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| 20:09.56 | Flimzy | We already use candy bars at one of our sites... broadening that to be 'food' would make sense. |
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| 20:10.05 | Ronin | types of beer |
| 20:10.10 | RvGaTe | i've set up: SoundProgram=/usr/bin/play/ and paths to sounds files like: "SoundOnLoginFile=dir; SoundOnLoginSuccessFile=dir; SoundOnLoginFailureFile=dir", enabled them using "SoundOnLogin=true; SoundOnLoginSuccess=true; SoundOnLoginFailure=true"... i can play and hear the sounds when i do: "/usr/bin/play path_to_file", but still, when i open a new login using "System->New Login" i hear this anoying beep... anyone knows what i might be doing wr |
| 20:10.10 | RvGaTe | ong? |
| 20:10.15 | pirving | does debian take forever to install by extracting packages for the main systerm still? |
| 20:10.35 | Flimzy | pirving: I've never experienced Debian taknig forever to install... so I guess the answer is "no" |
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| 20:10.57 | pickcoder | pirving: if you're installing onto a CF card, then yeah it may be slow |
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| 20:11.04 | pirving | after the first reboot you'd have a black screen and it would run aapt-get |
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| 20:11.07 | pirving | routine |
| 20:11.22 | pickcoder | if you have a recent SATA disk system and CPU faster than 1Ghz then it is normally fairly fast |
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| 20:11.40 | rgsteele | RvGaTe: Sounds like whatever you're trying to use is unsupported. |
| 20:11.44 | rgsteele | No pun intended. |
| 20:11.52 | pirving | but, like Mepis it isn't a live cd or like ubuntu used to be like that |
| 20:12.10 | pirving | just go on forever downloading and installing |
| 20:12.22 | RvGaTe | rgsteele, when i do gdmsetup, why does it let me choose sounds for login then? if its unsupported, it shouldn't be selectable by the user |
| 20:12.24 | pirving | maybe it was because I used the minimal install cd |
| 20:12.54 | rgsteele | RvGaTe: Is this something you've downloaded as a package from a Debian repository? |
| 20:13.01 | Ronin | pirving: and selected a ton of packages by any chance? |
| 20:13.16 | pirving | prob, and it was an older machine |
| 20:13.18 | RvGaTe | rgsteele, its the default gdm package from debian etch repos |
| 20:13.26 | rgsteele | pirving: Also, could depend on what mirror you're using. Maybe something from Botswana isn't a winner. |
| 20:13.49 | pirving | do they make a live cd where you can install a image? |
| 20:13.59 | pirving | LOL |
| 20:14.03 | rgsteele | RvGaTe: No idea. Etch is still considered testing is my first thought. Second thought is something is incorrectly configured, though I have no idea what. |
| 20:14.18 | pirving | how do you guys feel about ubuntu |
| 20:14.21 | VImtermute | /me is afk |
| 20:14.27 | RvGaTe | pirving, go to #ubuntu |
| 20:14.28 | rgsteele | pirving: Ask #ubuntu |
| 20:14.32 | Ronin | its over there in #ubuntu > |
| 20:14.32 | pirving | I'd rather use something pure, not a knock off |
| 20:14.33 | RvGaTe | lol |
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| 20:14.50 | pirving | slackware not vecter, fedora not blag, etc |
| 20:15.02 | rgsteele | ...what the hell is blag? |
| 20:15.04 | pirving | debian not ubuntgu |
| 20:15.10 | Ronin | so then do so pirving |
| 20:15.11 | pirving | www.blagblagblag.com |
| 20:15.25 | amphi | pirving: what are you raving about? |
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| 20:15.33 | concept10 | stoned, im sending a file |
| 20:16.03 | rgsteele | amphi: No idea. It's sort of a funny, schizophrenic dialogue though :) |
| 20:16.03 | RvGaTe | rgsteele, http://www.jirka.org/gdm-documentation/x241.html, scroll down to "SoundOnLogin" it says: Supported since 2.5.90.0. im running version 2.16.4 |
| 20:16.08 | pirving | www.blagblagblag.org |
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| 20:16.10 | pirving | soryy o |
| 20:16.12 | pirving | .ORG |
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| 20:16.40 | amphi | !confuse pirving |
| 20:16.40 | dpkg | Yes, them are my gerbil yesterday, pirving? trousers of the people's republic of tahiti with extra ham |
| 20:16.42 | pirving | I wish debian would update thier website |
| 20:16.48 | concept10 | stoned, did you get that? |
| 20:16.57 | FlopsyPete | how does one get network-manager-gnome to show up in the system tray? I install it, I see 'nm-applet --sm-disable' is running but I see nothing in the GNOME panel. |
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| 20:17.10 | pirving | is thier a controversy to keep it so simple and bland |
| 20:17.21 | pirving | like compatable with lynx or links |
| 20:17.37 | bzed | that's not a controversy |
| 20:17.40 | bzed | that's jsut a fact |
| 20:17.41 | pirving | www.debian.org |
| 20:17.47 | bzed | we know that page |
| 20:17.55 | RvGaTe | brb |
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| 20:18.15 | rgsteele | pirving: If you want simplicity, become Amish. |
| 20:18.17 | amphi | pirving: what's wrong with it? you want pictures of smirking people leaping about? |
| 20:18.19 | JoshJ | well |
| 20:18.22 | JoshJ | Thanks for the help |
| 20:18.28 | pirving | maybe a penguin |
| 20:18.32 | amphi | ugh |
| 20:18.33 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, gnome removed that feature |
| 20:18.33 | bzed | JoshH: does it work? |
| 20:18.35 | JoshJ | But autoconfig worked this time |
| 20:18.35 | pirving | not the gay color |
| 20:18.40 | abrotman | pirving: usability for impaired |
| 20:18.41 | JoshJ | so i didn't even have to do anything >_< |
| 20:18.41 | zinx | pirving: Debian's logo is not a penguin |
| 20:18.46 | Ronin | colors are gay? |
| 20:18.46 | abrotman | !tell pirving about gay |
| 20:18.47 | amphi | !tell pirving about gay |
| 20:18.50 | pirving | pink |
| 20:18.50 | amphi | heh |
| 20:18.58 | FlopsyPete | concept10: what do you mean it removed it? |
| 20:19.08 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, just kidding, that was a joke |
| 20:19.09 | kopeah | bzed: thnx for your help .. I'll do more research |
| 20:19.10 | kopeah | hehe |
| 20:19.11 | bzed | !tell pirving about pr0n |
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| 20:19.22 | JoshJ | and what's up with epiphany being the default? i was under the impression iceweasel was the default |
| 20:19.24 | bzed | something better for you than to disturb the chat |
| 20:19.39 | abrotman | JoshJ: default in what ? |
| 20:19.46 | bzed | JoshJ: run update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 20:19.46 | JoshJ | well, the default on the panel |
| 20:19.49 | pirving | I would offer to redesign it |
| 20:20.08 | pirving | whats the debian symbol or logo ? |
| 20:20.11 | pirving | is there one? |
| 20:20.14 | JoshJ | a spiral |
| 20:20.14 | zinx | yes. |
| 20:20.15 | pirving | a big D |
| 20:20.19 | pirving | yeah |
| 20:20.20 | pirving | cool |
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| 20:20.24 | RvGaTe | pirving, there are actually 2 of em |
| 20:20.25 | pirving | maybe that on the page |
| 20:20.40 | abrotman | pirving: do you have a real question .. or are you just here to troll ? |
| 20:20.41 | zinx | it's on the site several times |
| 20:20.50 | pirving | I'm just saying the web page looks like it's from 1992 |
| 20:20.55 | pirving | I think it is |
| 20:20.56 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, take a look for yourself, they removed alot of features: http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/4/48/Next-gnome.png |
| 20:20.59 | abrotman | good .. then base your product selection on a website |
| 20:21.01 | zinx | also, the color is red, not pink. |
| 20:21.15 | JoshJ | the debian webpage is definitely a bit dated, but i don't see that as really a terribly bad thing |
| 20:21.17 | abrotman | i hear MS has a nice flashy website |
| 20:21.17 | RvGaTe | pirving, the website looks like that for a reason |
| 20:21.18 | pirving | I would call that fushia |
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| 20:21.28 | hark | JoshJ: it's gnome. that's why... |
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| 20:21.50 | pirving | it looks like netbsd's homepage |
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| 20:22.12 | JoshJ | abrotman, but how bad does MS's page look in lynx? |
| 20:22.17 | abrotman | NFC |
| 20:22.23 | FlopsyPete | why does the network-manager-gnome man page not say what the 'nm-applet --sm-disable' switch does? |
| 20:22.45 | RvGaTe | JoshH, MS users dont have a tx based browser |
| 20:22.55 | FlopsyPete | (sorry, the nm-applet man page) |
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| 20:23.24 | pirving | I wonder is links runs on win |
| 20:23.29 | pirving | or has a version |
| 20:23.42 | JoshJ | you can probably do so via cygwin |
| 20:24.13 | FlopsyPete | lynx is fine under windows as it is without complicating things with cygwin |
| 20:24.20 | JoshJ | ah |
| 20:24.24 | pirving | it does |
| 20:24.28 | pirving | it's in beta |
| 20:24.32 | pirving | links.sourceforge.net |
| 20:24.49 | abrotman | pirving: do you have a Debian-related question ? |
| 20:25.02 | FlopsyPete | the web site design can;t have anything to do with lynx because good looking design has no relationship to rendering with lynx |
| 20:25.20 | pirving | YEs, is there a apg-get routine during the install on the secound boot |
| 20:25.32 | pirving | like there always was with woody |
| 20:25.33 | abrotman | routine ? |
| 20:25.34 | pirving | or sarge |
| 20:25.39 | abrotman | with etch ? |
| 20:25.49 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, did you run that cmd in the terminal? |
| 20:26.17 | pirving | basicly you would boot the install cd and setup some stuff then reboot without the cd and wait forever for packages to download and install |
| 20:26.19 | FlopsyPete | concept10: it runs by itself. If I run it in a terminal I get the GUI widget in the system tray |
| 20:26.21 | Hotwire | FlopsyPete: good design should still be readable is lynx though |
| 20:26.26 | pirving | even on a Cable Modem |
| 20:26.34 | pirving | thats my question |
| 20:26.36 | FlopsyPete | Hotwire: absolutely, thats what I meant |
| 20:26.40 | pirving | and nobody has answered me |
| 20:26.48 | JoshJ | pirving, you can do it that way with the netinst CD |
| 20:26.50 | JoshJ | that's what I just did |
| 20:26.55 | pirving | Ohhhh |
| 20:26.56 | pirving | ok |
| 20:26.59 | JoshJ | it only takes about 30-40 minutes to get the stuff that way |
| 20:26.59 | pirving | I see now |
| 20:27.00 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, is the daemon running? |
| 20:27.03 | Hotwire | booting off hard disk is fun |
| 20:27.07 | abrotman | !ig |
| 20:27.07 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide .. see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html for x86 Etch/Tesing (all ARCHs and in various formats for Etch listed here http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/ ) , or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Sarge/Stable (3.1,3.1r4). |
| 20:27.08 | JoshJ | you can also download like 20 iso's and do it that way |
| 20:27.10 | pirving | Thank yo9u |
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| 20:27.18 | Hotwire | then you don;t have to wait for the whole distro to be downloaed |
| 20:27.30 | FlopsyPete | concept10: 'nm-applet --sm-disable' is running |
| 20:27.40 | pirving | does it really take 20 cd's? |
| 20:27.40 | JoshJ | The netinst cd will install a base system just fine though |
| 20:27.46 | Hotwire | (well clearly you do, but you still have a working system during that time) |
| 20:27.52 | pirving | without x windows |
| 20:28.00 | rahul | pirving: it takes 0 cds with or without anything |
| 20:28.00 | Hotwire | pirving: no 1 is fine for most people |
| 20:28.01 | pirving | X.org |
| 20:28.12 | JoshJ | well, the netinst gives you a basic system without X.org but the install process downloads and installs X.org |
| 20:28.35 | pirving | Good thing I'm not on dialup |
| 20:28.35 | JoshJ | as well as gnome, iceweasel, openoffice.org, and a bit of other stuff |
| 20:28.46 | x_link | Hi |
| 20:28.49 | rahul | pirving: you can buy a set of cds for probably $10 |
| 20:28.50 | pirving | yes, I remember gnome taking forever to download |
| 20:28.54 | x_link | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7264/ |
| 20:28.59 | pirving | I think that is my best bet |
| 20:29.02 | pirving | support the casue |
| 20:29.03 | pirving | cause |
| 20:29.04 | x_link | Could somebody PLEASE take a look on that? |
| 20:29.12 | x_link | My KDE reboots everytime I try to start Beryl. |
| 20:29.16 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, I dont think the applet runs with out the NetworkManager daemon running |
| 20:29.23 | rahul | pirving: well, it doesn't matter. if you have a fast connection, it's a waste of CDs to use them |
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| 20:29.37 | rahul | pirving: and CDs will have old packages on them, so you'll need to download updates anyway |
| 20:29.39 | bzed | x_link: your problem. beryl is not in debian for a good reason |
| 20:29.53 | pirving | Damn, MEPIS is seeming better every minite |
| 20:29.55 | x_link | Ok.... |
| 20:29.56 | pirving | anybody tried it |
| 20:29.59 | rahul | x_link: that's gibberish anyway |
| 20:30.09 | x_link | ok |
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| 20:30.16 | rahul | KDE can't reboot because of beryl. beryl is the WM, so it would be the one rebooting. |
| 20:30.17 | x_link | Thanks anyway then... |
| 20:30.18 | pirving | mepis is actually a derivitivie or a fork of ubuntu |
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| 20:30.30 | h3sp4wn | exactly so that by your earlier logic |
| 20:30.37 | h3sp4wn | even worse |
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| 20:30.42 | rahul | pirving: have fun using buggy packages buggified twice over |
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| 20:30.51 | x_link | rahul: You're proberly right, but when I do "beryl-manager" my KDE/X or whatever reboots. |
| 20:31.00 | FlopsyPete | concept10: then how do I get that to run? shouldn';t Debian take care of that for me? |
| 20:31.08 | rahul | x_link: whatever beryl-manager is... |
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| 20:31.16 | JoshJ | beryl-manager is what makes beryl come up |
| 20:31.26 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, first check it and see if its running |
| 20:31.28 | rahul | he's running that inside his X session? |
| 20:31.31 | pirving | my X.org default install never works for me.....it just come with a crappy vesa setup, I have to edit files like in slackware |
| 20:31.32 | JoshJ | yes |
| 20:31.32 | rahul | with a WM already running? |
| 20:31.39 | JoshJ | yes, beryl-manager lets you switch WMs |
| 20:31.46 | rahul | that makes no sense |
| 20:31.46 | pirving | maybe beryl is better |
| 20:31.47 | FlopsyPete | concept10: 'network-manager' isn't running |
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| 20:31.58 | JoshJ | rahul, it actually works well |
| 20:31.58 | h3sp4wn | with compiz you can do compiz --replace (I guess it works in a similar way) |
| 20:32.01 | x_link | rahul: Sorry for asking a none debian question here. I apalogise |
| 20:32.07 | pirving | whats the current version of deb? |
| 20:32.09 | JoshJ | (if you get beryl working in the first place) |
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| 20:32.11 | rahul | the WM can't be switched without it doing it |
| 20:32.11 | bzed | h3sp4wn: you can do that with beryl, too |
| 20:32.12 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, the process should be "NetworkManager" |
| 20:32.14 | JoshJ | which is the hard part :p |
| 20:32.16 | rahul | pirving: the one you install |
| 20:32.31 | x_link | JoshJ: It's not that hard to get Beryl working. =) |
| 20:32.33 | h3sp4wn | bzed: Makes sense as it is a more unstable work |
| 20:32.34 | bzed | rahul: but you can switch the window-decorator, that's what compiz/beryl actually do |
| 20:32.39 | JoshJ | x_link, says you :p |
| 20:32.40 | h3sp4wn | bzed: s/work/fork |
| 20:32.46 | FlopsyPete | concept10: yes its running, 2 instances |
| 20:32.52 | JoshJ | you're the one that it's not working for :p |
| 20:32.53 | rahul | bzed: only if the WM exec()s another WM |
| 20:32.57 | RvGaTe | For some reason i cant get my gdm login fail/success and ready sounds to work. First i tried enabling them in gdmsetup, didn't work... then i looked in my gdm config, wich i edited to: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5469 whenever i manually play the files using "/usr/bin/play path_to_file" it plays them... but whenever i start a new login or logout or reboot, it starts up with this anoying system beep.... anyone has any idea what i might be |
| 20:32.57 | RvGaTe | doing wrong? thx |
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| 20:33.05 | x_link | JoshJ: Well, maybe not EASY... but if you download all the packages from the site it shouldn't be any problem to make it run. |
| 20:33.09 | rahul | bzed: if you do it wrong, it'll kill your session |
| 20:33.09 | helo | is there an etch netinst image that works? |
| 20:33.09 | JoshJ | in theory |
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| 20:33.15 | JoshJ | helo, the one that's up there now |
| 20:33.19 | JoshJ | i just installed it today |
| 20:33.20 | helo | from november? |
| 20:33.25 | JoshJ | from... today |
| 20:33.27 | pirving | 23 cd's in all |
| 20:33.29 | JoshJ | well, wednesday |
| 20:33.29 | pirving | YES |
| 20:33.39 | pirving | it must come with like every package installed |
| 20:33.40 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, do you even have a notification area? |
| 20:33.41 | JoshJ | hold on and i'll get you a link |
| 20:33.45 | JoshJ | pirving, that's what the CDs are :p |
| 20:33.45 | RvGaTe | also, im suing gdm version 2.16.4, debian etch |
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| 20:33.57 | pirving | debain -testing |
| 20:33.59 | bzed | rahul: i know, but it worked for me. beryl looks nice, but it's too annoying to use it for serious work imho. except for switching windows, that's just great witht the preview |
| 20:34.19 | pirving | it doesn't give a veriosn number |
| 20:34.21 | pirving | *version |
| 20:34.24 | JoshJ | testing is testing |
| 20:34.27 | rahul | pirving: testing isn't a version number |
| 20:34.30 | rahul | it's a release state |
| 20:34.33 | pinx | bzed: xfce4 does that already |
| 20:34.33 | bzed | x_link: go and read the debian part in the beryl wiki, they mention how to start it |
| 20:34.43 | pirving | released feb 21 |
| 20:34.46 | rahul | bzed: he's not using debian, anyway |
| 20:34.51 | JoshJ | yeah |
| 20:34.51 | pirving | a few days ago |
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| 20:34.55 | rahul | testing means it's not released. |
| 20:35.00 | pirving | called byrel? |
| 20:35.03 | x_link | bzed: I know how to start it. But thanks |
| 20:35.06 | bzed | pinx: i think kde can do it, too. not sure, though - I don;t need it, it's just cool ;) |
| 20:35.11 | pirving | etch is current? |
| 20:35.12 | rahul | byrel? |
| 20:35.12 | bzed | x_link: obviously not |
| 20:35.17 | JoshJ | pirving, the current stable is sarge |
| 20:35.18 | pirving | SARGE IS before etch |
| 20:35.22 | rahul | pirving: etch is current testing. |
| 20:35.25 | x_link | bzed: I have always started beryl like this. |
| 20:35.28 | JoshJ | testing is the current beta for etch (basically) |
| 20:35.29 | x_link | Alot of others as well |
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| 20:35.29 | pirving | what byrel then? |
| 20:35.32 | bzed | x_link: go and read the wiki |
| 20:35.33 | FlopsyPete | concept10: yes I do, unless I'm misunderstanding what that is. I have an icon for the laptop's power status for example; notification-daemon is installed |
| 20:35.38 | JoshJ | pirving, beryl is a window manager |
| 20:35.40 | x_link | bzed: ok |
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| 20:35.48 | pirving | lol |
| 20:35.49 | jason0_ | How can I find out what configuration flags a package was built with? |
| 20:35.49 | JoshJ | the 3d desktop thing, a fork of compiz |
| 20:36.12 | JoshJ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ <-- there are the Testing cd builds |
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| 20:36.25 | JoshJ | helo, go there |
| 20:36.29 | ewanm89 | It's an opengl compositing window manager |
| 20:36.39 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, the only other thing I can think of at the moment is adding it to "Sessions" and restrarting the GDM (log out/back in) or ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:36.45 | pirving | Wierd |
| 20:37.02 | RvGaTe | anyone ? |
| 20:37.33 | Hotwire | "The program on your computer which provides access to the imap://fizzy.cardiff.ac.uk protocol has unexpectedly terminated." Anyone know what just died? and any possible causes? |
| 20:38.00 | pirving | are their screenshots of beryl???? |
| 20:38.04 | JoshJ | yes |
| 20:38.09 | RvGaTe | Hotwire, mail |
| 20:38.09 | JoshJ | but screenshots don't really show it off |
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| 20:38.11 | JoshJ | videos do |
| 20:38.15 | JoshJ | do a youtube search for "beryl" |
| 20:38.17 | pirving | is it in competition with fluxbox or gnome or kde |
| 20:38.22 | Hotwire | RvGaTe: thanks :) |
| 20:38.25 | pirving | did you read about linux trashing gnome |
| 20:38.26 | geo-rge | "the program on your computer" |
| 20:38.27 | rahul | pirving: you ask like it's not possible to have screenshots |
| 20:38.29 | JoshJ | beryl doesn't compete with those |
| 20:38.32 | pirving | isn't gnome debian's default |
| 20:38.35 | pirving | wm |
| 20:38.35 | JoshJ | beryl competes with metacity |
| 20:38.37 | helo | JoshJ: thanks |
| 20:38.40 | rahul | linux trashing gnome? |
| 20:38.43 | rahul | what does that even mean? |
| 20:38.46 | RvGaTe | !tell Hotwire about imap |
| 20:38.48 | JoshJ | i assume he means linus |
| 20:38.50 | rahul | gnome is not a WM |
| 20:38.51 | JoshJ | and linus uses kde |
| 20:38.52 | JoshJ | so... |
| 20:39.04 | nescius | rahul, maybe Linus? ;] |
| 20:39.06 | rahul | it's a pile of buggy libraries and applications |
| 20:39.08 | pirving | yes linus useses kde |
| 20:39.36 | pirving | linus I ment |
| 20:39.37 | amphi | but we hatesss it, we hatesss it |
| 20:39.37 | pirving | sorry |
| 20:39.43 | FlopsyPete | concept10: done that, I'll try restarting X now then. thanks. |
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| 20:39.46 | ewanm89 | It's a desktop enviroment |
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| 20:39.48 | pirving | fluxbox rules |
| 20:39.58 | JoshJ | so, my fonts are terrible |
| 20:39.59 | geo-rge | twm forever! |
| 20:40.07 | nescius | i like e17 rather |
| 20:40.09 | pirving | drag and drop |
| 20:40.16 | JoshJ | i assume i want msttcorefonts for less-crappy fonts in my web browser? |
| 20:40.27 | geo-rge | gnome was a drag, so I dropped it :) |
| 20:40.32 | amphi | JoshJ: or vistafonts! |
| 20:40.37 | pirving | Linus is quoted as saying he uses redhat at work and suse at home |
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| 20:40.40 | rahul | gnome is a drag queen |
| 20:40.41 | pirving | isn't that fucked |
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| 20:40.58 | h3sp4wn | nescius: I like e17 (its nicer on nvidia with composite enabled though I find) |
| 20:41.07 | helo | he gets payed to say that |
| 20:41.09 | pirving | from the book "just for fun" by linus torvalds and David Diamond,l recommend it |
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| 20:41.26 | JoshJ | hm |
| 20:41.27 | pirving | I thought he would use LFS |
| 20:41.29 | pirving | lol |
| 20:41.30 | nescius | rahul, but drop doesnt work accross *de |
| 20:41.32 | h3sp4wn | nescius: Have you managed to use the gl or glitz backends ? (I have never got them working yet) |
| 20:41.49 | RvGaTe | someone ignored my question :P |
| 20:41.49 | rahul | nescius: is that sentence supposed to mean something? |
| 20:42.00 | JoshJ | er... what repository are the truetype fonts in? |
| 20:42.10 | nescius | rahul, drag & drop :) |
| 20:42.11 | rahul | JoshJ: debian |
| 20:42.17 | amphi | pirving: linus is evil |
| 20:42.19 | geo-rge | pirving: from his pov, he is using linux from scratch... in fact he's the uniquely ultimate lfs user |
| 20:42.30 | RvGaTe | For some reason i cant get my gdm login fail/success and ready sounds to work. First i tried enabling them in gdmsetup, didn't work... then i looked in my gdm config, wich i edited to: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5469 whenever i manually play the files using "/usr/bin/play path_to_file" it plays them... but whenever i start a new login or logout or reboot, it starts up with this anoying system beep.... anyone has any idea what i might be |
| 20:42.30 | RvGaTe | doing wrong? thx (gdm version 2.16.4, debian etch) |
| 20:42.38 | pirving | amphi thinks linux is evil |
| 20:42.40 | JoshJ | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main ? |
| 20:42.44 | pirving | I'm not saying he is god |
| 20:42.54 | rahul | JoshJ: they're usually non-free |
| 20:42.57 | JoshJ | ah |
| 20:43.09 | itchi | RvGaTe: You used to get nice support of #debian-nl :-) |
| 20:43.15 | JoshJ | any free alternatives that will make my web browser fonts not look like ass? |
| 20:43.16 | pirving | I don't want to make love to him, I just think he is a good man for giving us a Unix or Minix Clone |
| 20:43.35 | JoshJ | pirving, a lot more people are responsible than linus |
| 20:43.38 | pirving | has anyone ever booted Minix here? |
| 20:43.38 | RvGaTe | itchi, if you know the answer ill be happy to read it anywhere :P |
| 20:43.39 | rahul | JoshJ: lots. |
| 20:43.47 | rahul | JoshJ: I use bitstream vera |
| 20:43.56 | rahul | JoshJ: use whatever font you want. they all work on linux. |
| 20:43.59 | concept10 | pirving, have you booted penix? |
| 20:44.01 | itchi | RvGaTe: Ba, i have drunk 3 Pisangs and i'm out of order haha :-) |
| 20:44.06 | rahul | !penixstrike concept10 |
| 20:44.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking concept10 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:44.08 | JoshJ | rahul, what package do i want? |
| 20:44.13 | rahul | JoshJ: for what font? |
| 20:44.25 | RvGaTe | itchi, shame on you ! :P |
| 20:44.26 | jstevens | wmaker |
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| 20:44.32 | rahul | JoshJ: look for xfonts-* and ttf-* packages |
| 20:44.36 | concept10 | rahul, you ruined it :) |
| 20:44.36 | JoshJ | uh, whatever it is that's showing up on these websites |
| 20:44.40 | itchi | RvGaTe: Friday he ;-) |
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| 20:44.49 | FlopsyPete | concept10: thanks for the help; that didn't work; oh well; I'll file a bug. |
| 20:44.52 | JoshJ | i assume times |
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| 20:44.56 | rahul | times? |
| 20:44.57 | RvGaTe | itchi, true, true... |
| 20:45.01 | rahul | oh god. you're sick. |
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| 20:45.08 | JoshJ | lol |
| 20:45.11 | JoshJ | it's not my site :( |
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| 20:45.25 | pirving | http://very.net/~nikolai/penix/overview.html |
| 20:45.30 | concept10 | FlopsyPete, good luck,. You may want to check the lists. They do not have any updated docs, I didnt see any |
| 20:45.31 | RvGaTe | anyone knows the answer to my question? or at least push me in the right direction |
| 20:45.35 | FlopsyPete | what does ipw2200-source provide, doesn't it just produce ipw2200-modules-*, and they already exist in the archive# |
| 20:46.10 | h3sp4wn | JoshJ: I use xfonts-terminus its easy on the eyes (even though it doesn't look that nice) |
| 20:46.28 | ponyofdeath | anyone know of a good open proxy on the east coast |
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| 20:46.45 | itchi | RvGaTe: Normaly it should be not a problem and 'work out of the box'(tm) :-s |
| 20:47.02 | RvGaTe | itchi, yup, but it didn't |
| 20:47.21 | amphi | RvGaTe: you have the fw? |
| 20:47.31 | RvGaTe | amphi, fw? whats that |
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| 20:47.59 | amphi | RvGaTe: sorry, misfire |
| 20:48.27 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe try to purge the gdm and reinstall it? Maybe did you somethings wrong with it |
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| 20:49.26 | RvGaTe | im not reinstalling gdm becouse of a config "that might be wrong"... cant afford breaking my system |
| 20:49.36 | RvGaTe | itchi, ^ |
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| 20:49.51 | itchi | RvGaTe: You not going to break the stuff |
| 20:50.30 | RvGaTe | itchi, how will a reinstall of gdm help me ? |
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| 20:50.47 | itchi | RvGaTe: I dunno what have happened, but normally gdm should works right if you have setup the sound (if it was not automagically detected) |
| 20:51.00 | RvGaTe | itchi, does it work for you ? |
| 20:51.03 | itchi | RvGaTe: I dunno, you told the troubles about it, that config modification and so |
| 20:51.08 | itchi | RvGaTe: Yeah |
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| 20:51.15 | administrator_ | is there a way to send a process immediately into the background over ssh? or is this not possible because the shell is a child of ssh? |
| 20:51.18 | itchi | RvGaTe: On every computer here, 6 |
| 20:51.31 | FlopsyPete | what does ipw2200-source provide, doesn't it just produce ipw2200-modules-*, and they already exist in the archive? |
| 20:51.33 | RvGaTe | itchi, could you pastbin your config ? |
| 20:51.45 | VImtermute | brb |
| 20:52.06 | itchi | RvGaTe: It's the default one |
| 20:52.17 | RvGaTe | itchi, could you paste the default one then? :P |
| 20:52.26 | itchi | RvGaTe: Oki, wait |
| 20:52.32 | administrator_ | for instance i want 'ssh user@host "sleep 120"' to return immediately |
| 20:52.50 | administrator_ | ssh user@host "sleep 120 &" does not work |
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| 20:53.49 | JoshJ | hm, quick question about debian's default setup coming from a former ubuntu user |
| 20:53.52 | JoshJ | su or sudo? |
| 20:53.52 | itchi | RvGaTe: http://pastebin.ca/369425 |
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| 20:54.17 | RvGaTe | itchi, cant be the default one, its empty |
| 20:54.29 | JoshJ | i just sudo'ed something by habit and got a message- does it still apply system-wide, etc? |
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| 20:54.47 | itchi | RvGaTe: Ow, sh*t, it's from the bad comuter haha |
| 20:55.02 | FlopsyPete | no-one knows what ipw2200-source does that ipw2200-modules-* doesn't do? |
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| 20:55.34 | itchi | RvGaTe: :-p http://pastebin.ca/369426 |
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| 20:56.57 | itchi | RvGaTe: It's the default one, i have not yet touch it, but works out of the box(tm) |
| 20:56.58 | bzed | JoshJ: sudo is not enabled on debian, for a good reason imho |
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| 20:57.26 | JoshJ | bzed, i was under the impression sudo was "better" than su because it kept better track of who was doing what (not that it matters on a single user system) |
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| 20:58.03 | itchi | RvGaTe: That previous one i have pasted should be display a random theme, maybe the reason why it's empty?? Dunno |
| 20:58.08 | anirban | at last I able to install XGL and Beryl on Debian Etch |
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| 20:58.12 | Gathond | JoshJ: sudo is better because you can restrict what a given user might do with it |
| 20:58.14 | anirban | and it is working fine |
| 20:58.24 | RvGaTe | itchi, let me test it, hold on |
| 20:58.29 | itchi | RvGaTe: oki |
| 20:58.36 | Gathond | JoshJ: but if you allow all you are essentially usind su with the users password as the root pass |
| 20:59.15 | JoshJ | seems "easier" to sudo something than su then something |
| 20:59.23 | itchi | RvGaTe: Maybe have you troubles with audio software mixing? |
| 20:59.41 | RvGaTe | itchi, works in console, so no problems with that |
| 20:59.43 | RvGaTe | brb |
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| 20:59.59 | JoshJ | brb |
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| 21:00.33 | JoshJ | That's more like it |
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| 21:02.11 | RvGaTe | itchi, looks like its working, lets ssee if it works on a reboot |
| 21:02.18 | itchi | RvGaTe: oki |
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| 21:05.03 | RvGaTe | itchi, works... |
| 21:05.16 | jammyd | what's the package similar to checkinstall that can automagically make .debs for you? |
| 21:05.21 | RvGaTe | itchi, why aren't you in debian-nl ? |
| 21:05.24 | nescius | rahul, ha! i finally found /etc/apache/share/magic! in error.log |
| 21:05.29 | nescius | [Fri Feb 23 21:58:55 2007] [error] (2)No such file or directory: mod_mime_magic: can't read magic file /etc/apache/share/magic |
| 21:05.41 | rahul | . . . |
| 21:05.56 | rahul | so why did you change the config to refer to a file that doesn't exist? |
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| 21:06.18 | JoshJ | i like touchpads |
| 21:06.21 | JoshJ | i just don't like "taptoclick" |
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| 21:06.29 | itchi | RvGaTe: Ask the dudes there |
| 21:06.29 | tomdick | is checkinstall no longer in etch? |
| 21:06.31 | karsten | The nipple. |
| 21:06.34 | JoshJ | heh |
| 21:06.37 | nescius | rahul, lol |
| 21:06.42 | RvGaTe | itchi, what happened ? |
| 21:06.42 | itchi | RvGaTe: They know better. I hate racisme ... |
| 21:06.44 | JoshJ | that gets in the way when you type |
| 21:06.57 | martiancode | i can't find apachectl |
| 21:06.58 | karsten | tomdick: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 21:06.59 | martiancode | can't locate it |
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| 21:07.20 | itchi | RvGaTe: But to be honnest, i not want to make noise, i can live without these, these not without me haha. These gona been see i hope |
| 21:07.24 | karsten | martiancode: /usr/sbin, if installed. |
| 21:07.33 | nweaver916 | hey guys, where is the samba password file at? i.e. where does smbpasswd write to? |
| 21:07.39 | nweaver916 | by default, deb stable |
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| 21:07.44 | chops | nweaver916: /etc/samba/smbpasswd I believe |
| 21:07.55 | rahul | nescius: your tongue isn't attractive. |
| 21:08.00 | nweaver916 | hmm...samba is working, but it's not there |
| 21:08.07 | nweaver916 | that was my first guess |
| 21:08.15 | karsten | nweaver916: ... or where configured in your samba conf file. Can be several places, depends on your auth mechanism. |
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| 21:08.22 | karsten | nweaver916: #samba |
| 21:08.27 | itchi | RvGaTe: Is the line SoundProgram=/usr/bin/play not wrong? |
| 21:08.30 | chops | nweaver916: Have you added any users? That's certainly where it is on my machine. |
| 21:08.32 | martiancode | thanks karsten it's apache2ctl |
| 21:08.37 | RvGaTe | itchi, all correct |
| 21:08.39 | nweaver916 | chops: yes, I have |
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| 21:08.58 | chops | nweaver916: Huh. You can try 'strace smbpasswd someuser'. |
| 21:09.34 | Suse_Addict | what kind file system is swap partition ? |
| 21:09.49 | JoshJ | you make it linux-swap |
| 21:09.56 | JoshJ | there's an option in the installer for formatting it as swap |
| 21:10.06 | JoshJ | it's near the bottom of the list of file systems |
| 21:10.10 | netman1 | Suse_Addict: swap, made with mkswap |
| 21:10.17 | janrocks | 82 |
| 21:10.17 | martiancode | karsten: how did you know? |
| 21:10.28 | martiancode | cause it's really what matters |
| 21:10.58 | JoshJ | question: if a package is on Non-US, do i need to add a separate repository? i assume i can't get it from ftp.us.debian.org |
| 21:11.11 | karsten | martiancode: I thought it might be in /usr/sbin and checked there. |
| 21:11.22 | karsten | martiancode: Per FHS, that's where non-critical (non-needed at boot time) sysadminly tools should be. |
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| 21:12.33 | martiancode | karsten: now i knew my problem thanks alot |
| 21:12.45 | nescius | rahul, thats the problem, i didnt change a thing, this is fresh installation from package, but i think i 've finnally found this 'magic' file, now its only matter of time when i find the config file |
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| 21:13.01 | rahul | nescius: wtf |
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| 21:13.22 | rahul | nescius: did you _purge_ apache when you uninstalled it? |
| 21:13.24 | x_link | Ahhh. it's not beryl.. even when I open nvidia-settings my KDE reboots. When I press the OpenGL setting. |
| 21:13.35 | x_link | I don't know what/where to look now =/ |
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| 21:14.08 | nweaver916 | bleh, can't pipe strace output to grep :( |
| 21:14.15 | nescius | rahul, no, i purged it while installing it again -- replacing all posible configuration files |
| 21:14.40 | rahul | nescius: then you're full of shit. |
| 21:14.52 | tomdick | karsten thanks |
| 21:14.57 | JoshJ | just for the record, msttcorefonts are in contrib |
| 21:15.01 | bzed | x_link: you have installed the nvidia drivers from experimental, haven;t you? |
| 21:15.02 | nescius | rahul, welcome in board, mister troll |
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| 21:15.33 | rahul | nescius: are you using ubuntu or something idiotic like that? |
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| 21:16.06 | karsten | rahul: Tone it down. |
| 21:16.06 | itchi | martiancode: You can look with dpkg -L fooPackage to see where all the stuff related to fooPackage is installed |
| 21:16.07 | nescius | no, mister troll, my favorite distro is working one, so anything rpm based |
| 21:16.10 | karsten | nescius: You too. |
| 21:16.26 | nescius | ubuntu is really not my cup of tea |
| 21:16.26 | nweaver916 | lol...because rpm hell is fun! |
| 21:16.42 | stoned | it is for humanity |
| 21:16.50 | nescius | nweaver916, dependency hell? deb rpm, same thing |
| 21:16.50 | rahul | nescius: seriously, you've been bitching about problems that don't exist in debian |
| 21:16.50 | stoned | we must be animals |
| 21:16.54 | x_link | bzed: No. from the nvidia.site |
| 21:17.03 | martiancode | itchi: i did dpkg -l > /home/martiancode/Desktop/packages.txt |
| 21:17.19 | nescius | rahul, really.. i wish you were right at last this time |
| 21:17.21 | nweaver916 | nescius: I have never had the issues with Deb that I had in Redhat |
| 21:17.23 | martiancode | oh -L |
| 21:17.24 | karsten | nweaver916: strace writes to stderr. |
| 21:17.25 | rahul | nescius: whatever you're doing has nothing to do with debian. ask your co-workers what you guys do there. |
| 21:17.27 | nweaver916 | apt > rhel |
| 21:17.28 | apt | rumour has it, rhel is redhat enterprise linux http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/ |
| 21:17.28 | vick_ | whenever i mount DVD, i get "This disc contains a "UDF" file system and requires an operating systemthat supports the ISO-13346 "UDF" file system specification." |
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| 21:17.33 | karsten | nweaver916: so redirect that where you want. |
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| 21:17.42 | nweaver916 | karsten: thanks |
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| 21:18.21 | karsten | nweaver916: One trick is to point it to a file or a different pty, and play with it there, or tee. |
| 21:18.34 | nescius | rahul, |
| 21:18.34 | nescius | coupert:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:18.34 | nescius | 3.0+backports.org |
| 21:18.53 | itchi | martiancode: Capital L |
| 21:19.00 | rahul | nescius: echo 55.2 > /etc/redhat_version |
| 21:19.05 | JoshJ | hm |
| 21:19.05 | itchi | martiancode: ow, missed the line :-) |
| 21:19.11 | rahul | now you're running redhat, so go to #redhat for help |
| 21:19.19 | JoshJ | either vrms is messed up, or msttcorefonts doesn't need to be in contrib |
| 21:19.27 | bzed | x_link: ah, I knew there was a hook. you've asked several times how to install the nvidia drivers, you've been told several times: do NOT use the drivers from the nvidia site, you've been told several times how to install the drivers in the right way, you've been told several times that beryls is not included in debian for a reason, and that compiz and beryl do not work without the nvidia drivers form experimental (which actually work |
| 21:19.27 | bzed | ), and you're always doing everythign on your own way... why do you really still ask stuff? |
| 21:19.33 | martiancode | itchi: yup got it i'll do it again with capital L |
| 21:19.34 | bzed | !lart x_link |
| 21:19.42 | nescius | i wish this was redhat, they are trying to help |
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| 21:20.11 | stoned | hey you know how I made beryl work |
| 21:20.19 | stoned | I followed the beryl wiki on debian installation |
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| 21:20.23 | stoned | its pretty simple |
| 21:20.29 | anton | hi |
| 21:20.33 | anton | how do i run everything in cups as root? |
| 21:20.34 | anton | i provide cupsd.conf with User root option but i am told in /var/log/cups/error_log that it is insecure :\ |
| 21:20.38 | anton | how do i force it to obey? :S |
| 21:20.41 | nescius | stoned, wow! wish you luck with that, but i think it doesnt worth |
| 21:21.18 | stoned | nescius: thats a different argument for another time. I agree, but for now, it is easy to setup |
| 21:21.21 | nescius | stoned, the problem is that it will not help you working on that machine in any way |
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| 21:21.37 | stoned | and that is the point. |
| 21:21.54 | nescius | stoned, in this case: good job! |
| 21:21.57 | nescius | ; |
| 21:22.19 | stoned | you need to buy a vowel |
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| 21:22.28 | stoned | I mean, ) |
| 21:22.36 | concept10 | stoned, did you get that file? |
| 21:22.42 | stoned | concept10: I have no idea |
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| 21:22.58 | stoned | I'v been stoning lately |
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| 21:23.03 | nescius | stoned, no, i need another keyboard |
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| 21:23.19 | lotus-blade | http://www.happypenguin.org/list?start=11&sort=cate |
| 21:23.20 | concept10 | stoned, you have that on auto? I sent you a file called stoned-1.mp3 |
| 21:23.20 | nescius | and i could use some sleep |
| 21:23.32 | lotus-blade | sorry wrong box |
| 21:23.37 | stoned | ok |
| 21:23.39 | cwheeler | I can't remember where the config menus for the default WM are, I need a hint please :) |
| 21:23.43 | stoned | hold on |
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| 21:24.04 | JoshJ | you mean for gnome, metacity, or just plain x.org? |
| 21:24.14 | cwheeler | metacity |
| 21:24.27 | lotus-blade | how do you upgrade from xfree86 to xorg and uninstall old kernels? |
| 21:24.29 | JoshJ | you'll want gconf-editor i think |
| 21:24.39 | cwheeler | thanks |
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| 21:25.15 | nescius | xfree86? wow, you are really still using that stuff? |
| 21:25.30 | JoshJ | how old is that system? o_O |
| 21:25.36 | lotus-blade | that is what came with this debian install |
| 21:26.00 | rahul | xorg also comes with that debian install |
| 21:26.15 | lotus-blade | 3.1r5 |
| 21:26.16 | rahul | whatever such a concept means |
| 21:26.32 | rahul | 3.1 was released before xorg existed... |
| 21:26.32 | nescius | lotus-blade, btw i heard that someone opened museum for old computers here.. |
| 21:26.34 | flixil | Howto see what's using the bandwich in console mode? |
| 21:26.58 | lotus-blade | not that old of a comp |
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| 21:27.21 | lotus-blade | only a inspiron 2600 |
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| 21:29.20 | lotus-blade | so how do I get rid of xfree86 and get Xorg |
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| 21:29.40 | JoshJ | flixil, install nload or ntop |
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| 21:30.02 | flixil | okos thanks i'll see |
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| 21:30.36 | priscila | is there anyway to limit the bandwidth used by apt-get or aptitude? |
| 21:30.55 | JoshJ | nload works well i think |
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| 21:31.56 | stoned | hey concept10 you there |
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| 21:32.28 | concept10 | stoned, yeah, watching a video |
| 21:32.43 | concept10 | stoned, whats up? |
| 21:32.55 | stoned | hey send me a file |
| 21:32.59 | stoned | I wanna test something |
| 21:33.00 | itchi | concept10: The FOSDEM one? maybe debconf? :-) |
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| 21:33.42 | Xenguy | flixil: try this: apt-cache search bandwidth |grep console |less |
| 21:33.56 | concept10 | itchi, watching videos from linux.conf.au (gstreamer, pretty good) |
| 21:34.02 | chops | priscila: You could also play games with iptables |
| 21:34.12 | concept10 | itchi, FOSDEM is providing live feeds? |
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| 21:34.43 | stoned | concept10 now when you send me a file it will go into http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/music/concept10 |
| 21:34.47 | itchi | concept10: Not live |
| 21:34.54 | _joey | looking for debian package 'ares' plugin for gift |
| 21:35.02 | _joey | do you know where I can find one? |
| 21:35.09 | concept10 | stoned, did you hear that crazy file I sent? |
| 21:35.15 | stoned | not yet |
| 21:35.18 | itchi | concept10: The event is this weekend, i guess the 2007 videos will be there the next week |
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| 21:35.41 | concept10 | itchi, yeah, im still trying to cathup on the LCA stuff |
| 21:35.53 | concept10 | ketchup |
| 21:36.07 | stoned | i dont like much of ketchup |
| 21:36.13 | stoned | I like mayo instead |
| 21:36.18 | stoned | and I hate mustard |
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| 21:36.23 | stoned | it reminds me of baby poop |
| 21:36.26 | flixil | I installed ntop but it crashed... anyway i found the program :) thanks a lot |
| 21:36.36 | JoshJ | np |
| 21:36.42 | streuner_ | stoned: mayo makes you fed ;-) |
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| 21:36.50 | stoned | fat? |
| 21:36.57 | itchi | hhhmm, brazil sauce |
| 21:36.59 | streuner_ | yeah, fat! |
| 21:37.07 | stoned | streuner_: you have a tial |
| 21:37.08 | stoned | tail |
| 21:37.19 | JoshJ | question: what mirrors would i want to access non-us, but free software? |
| 21:37.36 | streuner_ | joshj: /msg dpkg non-us |
| 21:37.43 | JoshJ | ty |
| 21:37.43 | concept10 | stoned, that reminds me, these girls pulled up to me last night while I was driving and asked me did I want to hookup (I had mustard on my face) |
| 21:37.51 | blondie | JoshJ: there is no non-us anymore |
| 21:38.05 | JoshJ | ah, ok |
| 21:38.10 | concept10 | stoned, Then one of them mentioned money and I laughed in her face and rolled up my window |
| 21:38.12 | JoshJ | was just looking at the package thing on the site |
| 21:38.37 | JoshJ | thanks |
| 21:38.43 | stoned | lol |
| 21:38.51 | nescius | lol |
| 21:38.53 | JoshJ | that means for etch, the only categories are main, non-free, and contrib, right? |
| 21:39.58 | concept10 | stoned, I thought they were trying to rob me (literally) but little did they know, I never go out for fast food at night without my gun |
| 21:39.59 | streuner_ | yes |
| 21:40.13 | streuner_ | joshj: /msg dpkg non-us |
| 21:40.14 | Tobe | uhoh |
| 21:40.25 | stoned | damn |
| 21:40.27 | JoshJ | streuner_, i already did :p |
| 21:40.41 | stoned | I wouldn't want to live in a place where you need a gun to go buy food |
| 21:40.41 | streuner_ | read it more carefully then |
| 21:40.43 | stoned | that is bizzare |
| 21:40.47 | JoshJ | was just making sure there wasn't a fourth category, but i don't do crypto stuff, so ... |
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| 21:41.31 | concept10 | stoned, no, its just me, on hacks like me and other weirdos are out late so you have to watch yourself |
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| 21:41.40 | itchi | JoshJ: Take a look also to /msg dpkg crypto |
| 21:41.59 | JoshJ | sure |
| 21:42.00 | itchi | JoshJ: (that's noted in the previous factoid) |
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| 21:42.04 | JoshJ | yeah, i did |
| 21:42.12 | JoshJ | and i don't need that, so... *shrug* |
| 21:42.22 | niles | is etch stable yet ? |
| 21:42.25 | JoshJ | no |
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| 21:42.32 | streuner_ | niles: /topic |
| 21:42.34 | niles | whats taking so long? |
| 21:42.37 | rahul | niles: www.debian.org |
| 21:42.43 | JoshJ | there's like 100 r-c bugs |
| 21:42.44 | niles | so i guess thats a no. |
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| 21:43.01 | streuner_ | niles: otherwise it would mention in /topic |
| 21:43.01 | concept10 | niles, they are ensuring quality so users like yourself will be satisfied consumers |
| 21:43.04 | JoshJ | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ <-- green bar |
| 21:43.10 | JoshJ | s/bar/line/ |
| 21:43.19 | rahul | niles: why do you ask us when the releases are tracked on the web site? |
| 21:43.28 | JoshJ | stuff like this: "7 release-critical bugs were closed and 7 were opened." is the reason it's not getting anywhere |
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| 21:44.38 | concept10 | JoshH, well one of the problems is what is actually deemed "release-critical" |
| 21:44.44 | JoshH | oh really |
| 21:44.45 | madd_matt | I'd much, much rather have a stable release than something rushed out the door. |
| 21:44.54 | JoshH | interesting |
| 21:44.55 | JoshJ | yeah, i suspect a lot of those problems with "release-critical" bugs are really non-critical bugs |
| 21:45.02 | JoshJ | but as i'm not a dev i don't know for sure |
| 21:45.13 | concept10 | JoshH, I meant JoshJ |
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| 21:45.25 | JoshH | i know |
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| 21:46.01 | concept10 | for example, why is jamin a release critical item? |
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| 21:46.26 | JoshJ | policy violation ,according to the page |
| 21:46.39 | concept10 | okay, leave it in testing and move on |
| 21:46.52 | rahul | concept10: then it will not be in the release |
| 21:47.00 | rahul | concept10: people who use stable will not be able to use it |
| 21:47.00 | JoshJ | seems like a policy violation is a fairly easy "fix" for the maintainer to implement |
| 21:47.01 | fsmunoz | Well, because jammin... we're jammin. I hope you're jammin to concept10... |
| 21:47.47 | concept10 | rahul, so you are saying, hold the entire distro because some extra app that only a fraction of people use? |
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| 21:48.05 | concept10 | unbelievable |
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| 21:48.23 | rahul | concept10: what if a package that you used was removed from debian? |
| 21:48.45 | concept10 | rahul, thats not the idea im throwing out |
| 21:49.01 | concept10 | Im saying, get the "base" out |
| 21:49.14 | JoshJ | who uses just the base? |
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| 21:49.26 | JoshJ | the base is damn near useless |
| 21:49.30 | JoshJ | it doesn't even have "less" for crying out loud |
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| 21:49.50 | JoshH | that's why it's called a base |
| 21:51.30 | concept10 | I mean for example, a server base and a desktop base, not the pure minimum |
| 21:51.30 | stew | JoshJ: someone building an embeded system with limited storag would probably be happy that less isn't included in base |
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| 21:51.32 | JoshJ | stew, true, that |
| 21:51.32 | rahul | concept10: the base is already frozen, isn't it? |
| 21:51.32 | bzed | there's more in the base, that's enough |
| 21:51.32 | Xenguy | flixil: apt-cache show wondershaper |
| 21:51.32 | JoshJ | bzed, i'm curious- why not get rid of more and use less? |
| 21:51.35 | JoshJ | is less that much bigger? |
| 21:51.38 | flixil | okos |
| 21:51.39 | concept10 | it just doesnt make sense to me, thats all im saying |
| 21:51.43 | Xenguy | flixil: claims to be the simplest b/w shaping tool in Debian |
| 21:51.48 | JoshJ | concept10, a policy violation is a big deal to debian |
| 21:51.49 | stew | rahul: it is |
| 21:51.51 | flixil | b/w? |
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| 21:51.54 | flixil | ohh ok |
| 21:52.20 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, 27k vs 110k |
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| 21:52.27 | JoshJ | hm |
| 21:52.29 | JoshJ | yeah, good point |
| 21:52.30 | rahul | concept10: so the base IS effectively "released" |
| 21:52.37 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, more is in /bin, less in /usr/bin |
| 21:52.48 | stew | concept10: jamin is not holding up the release. the RC bugs in the kernel are |
| 21:52.54 | stew | hah, jamin is the bug i just filed |
| 21:53.07 | itchi | concept10: There may be not a 'discrimination' |
| 21:53.10 | JoshJ | keep in mind debian is obligated to keep the main system completely free so that the people who build systems based off it (like ubuntu and even people who simply release computers with debian) can distribute as well |
| 21:53.14 | stew | and that will be fixed long before the etch RC2 is out, its just a debian/copyright problem |
| 21:53.45 | karsten | Supaplex: Still around? I've solved my quoting problem. |
| 21:53.47 | chops | concept10: If you want etch to "release" now, just upgrade to it. It's available. No one's stopping you. |
| 21:54.14 | concept10 | itchi, I agree with no discrimination |
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| 21:54.19 | karsten | Supaplex: Fix: define a "test_case" shell function for complex tests. Pass "test_case" to my "run_test" wrapper. Quoting/dequoting is now properly handled.w |
| 21:55.09 | itchi | concept10: I hoped you understand me |
| 21:55.19 | stew | concept10: once the installer is ready to go, you will see the release managers start to get agressive about removing packages from etch that are holding up the release. until we have a kernel we don't have an installer and until we have an installer there is no reason to push the release out |
| 21:55.58 | JoshJ | what's wrong with the kernel right now? |
| 21:56.00 | concept10 | itchi, yeah, i understood |
| 21:56.10 | concept10 | stew, thanks for the insight |
| 21:56.17 | karsten | JoshJ: It has bugs. </short_answer> |
| 21:56.20 | Supaplex | karsten: cool. |
| 21:56.21 | JoshJ | lol |
| 21:56.34 | JoshJ | anything specific that's a problem, or just a bunch of assorted things? |
| 21:56.41 | concept10 | it really doesnt matter to me, on debian desktop I run unstable, and laptop ubuntu feisty |
| 21:56.46 | itchi | concept10: It's important to us eyes to have _the_ quality, us like it and us will not change of mind :-) |
| 21:57.16 | karsten | Supaplex: Yeah, so I was thinking to myself, "Self, what's a good shell-friendly way to wrap up something in a way that you can pass it off to something else in shell and not have quoting and pipes and stuff all blown to sh*t?" |
| 21:57.28 | karsten | Supaplex: And I answered myself: "Self, shell functions!" |
| 21:57.28 | concept10 | I like to see the package changes and see whats changing between debian and ubuntu |
| 21:57.30 | stew | JoshJ: http://bugs.debian.org/src:linux-2.6 <- the ones that are serious/critical/grave that are not tagged with etch-ignore must be fixed |
| 21:57.46 | karsten | Supaplex: Subsequent running down streets naked omitted from retelling of tale. |
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| 21:58.05 | niles | sigh |
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| 21:58.10 | foggles | is Etch stable yet? |
| 21:58.16 | rahul | wtf |
| 21:58.16 | karsten | foggles: No. |
| 21:58.20 | niles | sigh |
| 21:58.20 | rahul | foggles: why are you asking us? |
| 21:58.24 | foggles | what's taking so long? |
| 21:58.35 | karsten | !tell foggles about WIR |
| 21:58.37 | JoshJ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=linux-2.6;dist=unstable <-- this behemoth of a page, apparently |
| 21:58.42 | niles | foggles: everyone's busy whacking off to xena worrior princess. |
| 21:58.46 | karsten | !tell foggles about siyh |
| 21:58.52 | karsten | !topicsmite foggles |
| 21:58.52 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon foggles. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:58.59 | rahul | !penixstrike foggles |
| 21:58.59 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking foggles to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:59.20 | concept10 | Okay, we have the Are we there yet trolls coming in |
| 21:59.29 | niles | yea anyway. foggles has a point. |
| 21:59.49 | rahul | yeah, he's not helping. that's his point. |
| 21:59.59 | Supaplex | etch is delayed everytime asks and doesn't bother to look for themself |
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| 22:00.05 | nescius | concept10, hello |
| 22:00.14 | concept10 | niles, complaining in this channel will not get debian closer to release |
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| 22:00.20 | karsten | foggles: Everytime someone asks "Is Debian released yet", God kills a DD. |
| 22:00.27 | rahul | heh |
| 22:00.29 | niles | http://loljesus.com/page/2/ |
| 22:00.42 | JoshJ | rahul, i kinda think that asking everyone to help on debian is a bit much... it's not like most people are capable of kernel development :| |
| 22:00.45 | niles | http://loljesus.com/wp-content/uploads/suckit.JPG |
| 22:00.47 | stew | foggles: this is why etch isn't realease yet: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 22:00.50 | niles | speaking of god |
| 22:00.54 | stew | JoshJ: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
| 22:00.57 | concept10 | nescius, may I help you, sir? |
| 22:01.21 | nescius | concept10, maybe, by killing me |
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| 22:02.00 | niles | will etch have the same desktop features as vista ? |
| 22:02.10 | nescius | the bloody thing died after upting some of packages |
| 22:02.13 | JoshJ | what "features" are you talking about? |
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| 22:02.28 | karsten | What's a good term for something which stands as an indicator of status, but isn't specifically designed for that. "Sentry" or "canary in a coalmine" sort of concept. Eg: it is happy, things are good, it's unhappy, things aren't. |
| 22:02.40 | nescius | niles, i hope not! |
| 22:02.43 | rahul | karsten: indicator |
| 22:02.49 | rahul | heh |
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| 22:02.50 | niles | but it looks so fuck |
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| 22:02.52 | niles | 'n cool |
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| 22:03.04 | JoshJ | niles, you can install compiz or beryl for eyecandy on debian or ubuntu |
| 22:03.06 | concept10 | niles, go buy it |
| 22:03.07 | rahul | karsten: like economic indicators |
| 22:03.13 | karsten | rahul: Something like. |
| 22:03.17 | JoshJ | compiz is in the debian packaging system |
| 22:03.26 | nescius | niles, what? |
| 22:03.26 | niles | concept10: i like linux becuase the software is freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:03.28 | niles | weeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:03.30 | foggles | awww, but UNIX is more fun than Windows! |
| 22:03.35 | JoshJ | niles, then install compiz on debian |
| 22:03.36 | foggles | why would niles want to buy Windows? |
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| 22:03.42 | sadasdsadad | http://instincts.ru/go.php?1739448361 Join Please |
| 22:03.43 | rahul | and trolling is more fun than what? |
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| 22:03.47 | karsten | rahul: Actually, the argument I'm trying to make is that in grid monitoring, one of your best health indicators is your job performance, both successful exit and runtime/pending time characteristics. |
| 22:03.50 | itchi | niles: Pardon? Linux, mean you GNU?? :-) |
| 22:03.58 | concept10 | You two clowns need to find something to do |
| 22:04.01 | karsten | !ops ban 89.191.106.111 spam |
| 22:04.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: ban 89.191.106.111 spam |
| 22:04.03 | niles | GNU is not a product |
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| 22:04.14 | foggles | GNU's not UNIX |
| 22:04.16 | JoshJ | GNU's Not Unix |
| 22:04.24 | nescius | rahul, nothing is more fun than speaking with you, my dear |
| 22:04.28 | niles | foggles: we need something better to do. to gentoo.org |
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| 22:04.41 | foggles | DAWWYEAH |
| 22:04.51 | rahul | what is with all the trolls? |
| 22:04.58 | rahul | did middle schools let out already? |
| 22:05.01 | karsten | !friday |
| 22:05.01 | dpkg | [friday] Tardsday Eve Eve |
| 22:05.12 | cwheeler | are there any issued changing debian to postfix from exim? I'm familiar with postfix already |
| 22:05.14 | karsten | rahul: Here it's a break week. May have something to do with it. |
| 22:05.16 | itchi | rahul: Holliday for the kids :-( |
| 22:05.19 | niles | im in college :P\ |
| 22:05.23 | niles | and i bring a gun |
| 22:05.26 | concept10 | yeah, its 4:00pm, they just got home and booted up! |
| 22:05.30 | foggles | maybe if you guys were actually helpful rather than calling everyone n00bs |
| 22:05.33 | foggles | there wouldn't be trolls |
| 22:05.38 | JoshJ | foggles, there'll always be trolls |
| 22:05.52 | JoshJ | because debian's not red hat, debian's not ubuntu, GNU/Linux is not Windows, etc |
| 22:05.54 | tdi | hi all. friend copied shadow file from woody to sarge, the passwords do not work. where is the place where these things are controlled, pam/password on both machines has md5 |
| 22:05.55 | MatBoy | does someone know if there is kernel-image out there for Debian that lowers the clock from 1000Mhz to 100Mh ? |
| 22:05.56 | cwheeler | cool niles I found my uzi magazine loader today, thought i'd lost it |
| 22:05.59 | JoshJ | and of course, vi's not emacs, etc, etc |
| 22:06.01 | fsmunoz | foggles, right then, anything specific you need help with? |
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| 22:06.20 | foggles | I don't need help with anything |
| 22:06.21 | rahul | foggles: so you're saying you're a troll because you are mentally deficient? |
| 22:06.21 | fsmunoz | okie |
| 22:06.23 | niles | fsmunoz: i do |
| 22:06.30 | niles | hurry up and make etch stable |
| 22:06.30 | foggles | but I'm sick of seeing people asking for help and getting knocked for not reading the manual |
| 22:06.30 | cwheeler | and gnu's not unix |
| 22:06.33 | foggles | or not search google |
| 22:06.33 | foggles | etc |
| 22:06.37 | fsmunoz | niles, ok |
| 22:06.41 | fsmunoz | niles, done. |
| 22:06.43 | niles | finally |
| 22:06.44 | rahul | foggles: why? are we their babysitters? |
| 22:06.50 | JoshJ | foggles, it's better for people to help themselves first |
| 22:06.52 | stew | karsten: you got spam in /msg? |
| 22:06.53 | fsmunoz | It should appear in debian.org in a couple of hours. |
| 22:06.58 | simonrvn | trolls don't happen because people are called 'n00bs', trolls happen because there are people who can't conmtrol themselves |
| 22:07.00 | rahul | foggles: is it our job to read the docs that they already have? |
| 22:07.00 | foggles | maybe they TRIED searching Google |
| 22:07.02 | concept10 | foggles, Maybe try #reading |
| 22:07.04 | foggles | and couldn't find anything |
| 22:07.06 | rahul | foggles: they didn't |
| 22:07.07 | foggles | so that's why they came here? |
| 22:07.12 | foggles | a lot of people do |
| 22:07.16 | foggles | a lot of people come to me with questions |
| 22:07.18 | rahul | most people don't |
| 22:07.24 | foggles | after spending hours of fucking around |
| 22:07.28 | foggles | and getting nowhere |
| 22:07.36 | stoned | foggles: looks like you need to vent |
| 22:07.36 | nescius | like me |
| 22:07.37 | rahul | most people's questions are answered in the first 3 or 4 google links |
| 22:07.37 | stew | can we drop it? |
| 22:07.40 | niles | whacking off to xena worior princess |
| 22:07.41 | stew | foggles: do you have a question? |
| 22:07.45 | stoned | go smoke a doobie and come back later |
| 22:07.51 | karsten | stew: Now, he spammed channel once and /parted. |
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| 22:08.02 | niles | http://loljesus.com/wp-content/uploads/suckit.JPG |
| 22:08.02 | concept10 | Listen. You will never get anywhere if you don't read. Do you think IRC owes you fucking something? |
| 22:08.09 | stew | karsten: oh, i'm blind |
| 22:08.10 | nescius | i did the most worst thing that could happen, i updated something working |
| 22:08.12 | foggles | no |
| 22:08.13 | niles | i thought you're our slaves |
| 22:08.14 | karsten | stew: "Join my forum" spam. /lastlog |
| 22:08.19 | JoshJ | nescius, lol |
| 22:08.20 | stew | niles: please keep it on topic |
| 22:08.25 | foggles | I'm just sick of this attitude |
| 22:08.25 | stoned | and civil. |
| 22:08.31 | simonrvn | nescius: i do that all the time, it's called sid hehe |
| 22:08.34 | karsten | stew: See /msg |
| 22:08.35 | eefwak | topic? when was there ever a topic in here? |
| 22:08.37 | foggles | so many people tell me "oh, Linux people just flame you if you ask a question" |
| 22:08.38 | stew | foggles: please just drop it unless you have a quesiton |
| 22:08.40 | eefwak | simonrvn: hi |
| 22:08.40 | JoshJ | foggles: welcome to the internet |
| 22:08.41 | foggles | and it's true |
| 22:08.42 | eefwak | simonrvn: ltns |
| 22:08.44 | foggles | I won't drop it |
| 22:08.48 | JoshJ | no, it's not "just linux people" |
| 22:08.49 | simonrvn | eefwak: hi |
| 22:08.50 | JoshJ | it's everyone |
| 22:08.50 | concept10 | foggles, dude dont bother |
| 22:08.54 | stoned | foggles: that we must volunteer our free time to help support users like you who think we owe you something? |
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| 22:08.59 | JoshJ | go in #windows or whatever and ask a dumb question in there :P |
| 22:09.02 | stoned | foggles: is that what you're pissed about? |
| 22:09.06 | stoned | bah.. shameful |
| 22:09.07 | foggles | I never asked you to help me with shit |
| 22:09.14 | stew | foggles: please keep it on topic |
| 22:09.21 | foggles | what is the point of having support groups if you just tell people to fuck off |
| 22:09.22 | stew | foggles: if you don't have a debian question, please just drop it |
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| 22:09.23 | foggles | when they need support? |
| 22:09.29 | stew | foggles: drop it |
| 22:09.30 | itchi | Guys, make a #kids one, it's also FREE and move one please :-p |
| 22:09.31 | karsten | foggles: Don't argue with ops. |
| 22:09.32 | stoned | foggles: no one said that |
| 22:09.51 | stoned | itchi: scratchy |
| 22:09.52 | stoned | :D |
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| 22:10.07 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 22:10.10 | stoned | my website looks bomb! |
| 22:10.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@89.191.106.111] by stew |
| 22:10.23 | niles | http://loljesus.com/wp-content/uploads/wrong.JPG |
| 22:10.25 | markybob | like a bomb blew up, maybe |
| 22:10.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 22:10.30 | JoshJ | so, what are some of the better games in the free repository? |
| 22:10.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 22:10.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@156.12.180.93] by stew |
| 22:10.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
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| 22:10.45 | stew | niles: you have been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 22:10.46 | stoned | http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/index.php?page=hydrogen <- I got the hydrogen page done. It should work in everything but IE |
| 22:10.55 | itchi | stew: Leave the gun near you hehe ;-) |
| 22:11.03 | stoned | markybob: haha |
| 22:11.11 | stoned | so now to make a list of music apps |
| 22:11.20 | stoned | well, the ones concerning the guitar anyway |
| 22:11.25 | eefwak | wow |
| 22:11.28 | eefwak | who's stew? |
| 22:11.35 | eefwak | stew: When did you become op? |
| 22:11.36 | JoshJ | the /whois command is good for that |
| 22:11.53 | simonrvn | a while ago |
| 22:12.05 | stoned | simonrvn: hio |
| 22:12.09 | stoned | hi |
| 22:12.14 | simonrvn | ih |
| 22:12.26 | stoned | ix! I have just folded space from ix! |
| 22:12.31 | karsten | eefwak: He's nobody to be trifled with. That is all you need know. |
| 22:12.32 | x_link | bzed: I thought I did it the right way this time. |
| 22:12.47 | simonrvn | hehe stoned |
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| 22:12.55 | eefwak | karsten: I'll trife with anyone I want to. |
| 22:13.03 | x_link | I asked and a guy told me that is the right way, downloaded the pkg1.run file from nvidia and did the command. |
| 22:13.08 | stoned | hah |
| 22:13.13 | stoned | the dickwaving begins again |
| 22:13.26 | stoned | x_link: no |
| 22:13.33 | stoned | x_link: no msg please |
| 22:13.54 | x_link | It was about the game, but ok |
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| 22:14.14 | nethenson | hello |
| 22:14.26 | stoned | don't have a deb package for that game? |
| 22:14.27 | karsten | eefwak: http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=bst&media=WAVS&type=Movies&movie=Princess_Bride"e=triffle.txt&file=triffle.wav |
| 22:14.29 | stoned | x_link: |
| 22:14.37 | markybob | stoned, pretty decent css, though. fixed positions were used nicely |
| 22:14.39 | stoned | super maryo chronicles should have a deb package |
| 22:14.53 | stoned | markybob: thank you |
| 22:15.00 | stew | eefwak: uhh, 3/4 of a year ago or so? |
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| 22:15.12 | eefwak | stew: I've been MIA |
| 22:15.15 | x_link | stoned: I found a .deb, but I can't run the dpkg -i command on it. |
| 22:15.21 | eefwak | stew: Can you remove bans? |
| 22:15.24 | stoned | x_link: why not? dependency problems? |
| 22:15.31 | x_link | I don't remember, I removed it. |
| 22:15.41 | stew | eefwak: i'll ask the people that put the ban in plac |
| 22:15.48 | stoned | x_link: and what happens when you try to build the source? |
| 22:16.00 | eefwak | Who put the ban in place for "kawfee"? |
| 22:16.31 | stoned | its fun too |
| 22:16.33 | redbox | eefwak: ban envading? heh |
| 22:16.47 | simonrvn | exactly what he's doing |
| 22:16.47 | nethenson | Can I make apt-get to use a different download program? (e.g. like axel) |
| 22:16.49 | x_link | stoned: I don't know... I didn't understand much so I removed it. |
| 22:16.54 | itchi | eefwak: If 'he' is banned, believe it, there is a reason! |
| 22:16.58 | rahul | the ban was placed by people who are no longer here |
| 22:17.00 | stoned | !smc |
| 22:17.00 | dpkg | hmm... smc is the Self-Made Critic at http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/ |
| 22:17.14 | stoned | dpkg smc is also Secret Maryo Chronicles is an Open Source two-dimensional platform game with a style designed similar to classic sidescroller games. which utilizes the platform independent libray, SDL and since Version 0.98 with the OpenGL accelerated Graphics Renderer developed in C++. |
| 22:17.14 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 22:17.24 | eefwak | stew: what rahul said |
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| 22:17.44 | eefwak | stew: can you remove the ban since the people who placed it are no longer here? |
| 22:17.50 | stoned | x_link: the game is fine here on sid |
| 22:17.51 | abrotman | stew: that ban is *extremely* intentional |
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| 22:18.03 | x_link | stoned: Can you send me the file you downlaoded? |
| 22:18.03 | eefwak | abrotman: hi, how are you? |
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| 22:18.10 | stew | eefwak: i'm not doing anything like that. i've forwardd your request to other ops |
| 22:18.20 | eefwak | stew: great, thanks |
| 22:18.20 | abrotman | stew: it's been a standing ban almost as long as i've been here |
| 22:18.29 | redbox | eefwak: stop ban evading :P |
| 22:18.35 | rahul | abrotman: why? |
| 22:18.36 | eefwak | I'm not! |
| 22:18.47 | abrotman | rahul: notable fucktard and troll :) |
| 22:18.52 | rahul | heh |
| 22:18.52 | redbox | eefwak: so its just coincidence that eefwak is kawfee backwards? |
| 22:18.57 | eefwak | purely |
| 22:18.59 | stew | can we please just drop it |
| 22:18.59 | abrotman | he is ban evading |
| 22:19.02 | rahul | abrotman: well, so are half the regulars :P |
| 22:19.03 | stoned | dpkg smc is also http://www.secretmaryo.org/ |
| 22:19.03 | dpkg | okay, stoned |
| 22:19.16 | simonrvn | i was here when it happened |
| 22:19.24 | abrotman | big surprise |
| 22:19.26 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:19.29 | eefwak | so you can explain what happened. |
| 22:19.38 | simonrvn | abrotman said it |
| 22:19.39 | karsten | ... by not getting banned. |
| 22:19.50 | eefwak | abrotman is wrong |
| 22:20.01 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:20.02 | eefwak | mean |
| 22:20.08 | stew | drop it |
| 22:20.27 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:20.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@pool-71-164-248-220.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] by dondelelcaro |
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| 22:20.28 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:20.32 | stoned | I ban evaded once a long time ago and I got banned for like a few hours |
| 22:20.39 | abrotman | that didn't last too long ... |
| 22:20.42 | stoned | so don't do that or you could get perm bans |
| 22:20.56 | stoned | abrotman: hah, *poke* |
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| 22:21.19 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@156.12.180.93] by stew |
| 22:21.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 22:21.55 | rahul | hmm, if the person who requested the ban no longer comes to the channel, what's the point of the ban? |
| 22:22.14 | stoned | this game kicks ass |
| 22:22.21 | stoned | colorful |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | rahul: it's a permaban |
| 22:23.03 | rahul | that makes no sense |
| 22:23.29 | x_link | stoned: Can you give me the link you used to download the file from? |
| 22:23.47 | redbox | rahul: thats like saying "if a president is no longer a president why should we follow rules signed by him?" |
| 22:24.44 | rahul | redbox: no, it's like if the plaintiff doesn't show up to court, he shouldn't win the case |
| 22:24.48 | dondelelcaro | this channel is here to provide support to users; if your prescence gets in the way of that multiple times repeatedly, and moreover you waste mine or the other ops time doing, expect to be banned. |
| 22:25.13 | evaneus | hi, trying to update myql from 4.1.4 -> 5.0.34 using --- apt-get install mysql-server (testing)..... but it hangs forever on /etc/init.d/mysql stop -- seen that before anyone? |
| 22:25.23 | dondelelcaro | rahul: um... I'm still here, and I'm the one who put the ban in place. Next question? |
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| 22:25.46 | redbox | rahul: not at all like that. you don't need to be here for a ban to remain in place. its not like the op banned him because _just_ the op didnt like him.. |
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| 22:26.36 | simonrvn | rehjust because the server seems to have set the ban, doesn't mean the op doing it is no longer here |
| 22:26.43 | simonrvn | rahul ^^ |
| 22:27.13 | simonrvn | there's a number of reasons why that happens |
| 22:27.23 | JoshJ | netsplits! |
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| 22:28.26 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Do you track users and IPs somehow? Just curious. |
| 22:28.41 | stoned | if he told ya, he'd have to kill ya |
| 22:28.43 | stoned | :D |
| 22:29.08 | dondelelcaro | karsten: not really; if I remember someone, it's generally a bad thing |
| 22:30.32 | JoshJ | i'm unmemorable. whenever someone tries to talk to me they keep calling for JoshH. |
| 22:30.40 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 22:31.29 | stoned | My most sincere apologies to #debian for being overly OT. Won't happen again. |
| 22:33.03 | jennam | ot? |
| 22:33.14 | simonrvn | off-topic |
| 22:33.19 | jennam | oh |
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| 22:33.22 | JoshJ | is anyone in here using compiz on etch from the default package install? (ie: apt-get install compiz) |
| 22:33.35 | anton | how do i run everything in cups as root? |
| 22:33.38 | anton | i provide cupsd.conf with User root option but i am told in /var/log/cups/error_log that it is insecure :\ |
| 22:33.41 | anton | how do i force it to obey? :S |
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| 22:34.18 | JoshJ | if so, how do i *start* compiz? i've used beryl in the past and it started via a program called beryl-manager. does compiz have similar, or do i have to muck with my X configuration? |
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| 22:34.38 | nescius | is there a way how to downgrade package? i dont mind that it could fail, i am fighting with this $%^ about 5hours by now |
| 22:34.44 | stoned | JoshJ: I think you start it with compiz --replace |
| 22:34.59 | stoned | JoshJ: that will replace the current windowmanger with compiz window manager I think |
| 22:35.08 | JoshJ | :~$ compiz --replace |
| 22:35.08 | JoshJ | /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension |
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| 22:35.23 | stoned | JoshJ: enable it in xorg.conf |
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| 22:35.23 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, you need to chjange your xorg.conf |
| 22:35.24 | ribasushi | hi |
| 22:35.39 | nescius | debian stable 3.0+backports.org |
| 22:35.56 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install/Debian#Configure_xorg.conf |
| 22:36.03 | fsmunoz | It's for beryl, but the procedure is the same |
| 22:36.07 | JoshJ | heh |
| 22:36.09 | dondelelcaro | !downgrade |
| 22:36.09 | JoshJ | i was about to ask that |
| 22:36.10 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 22:37.14 | Solak | JoshJ: you got Beryl working with Debian? |
| 22:37.25 | JoshJ | no, on ubuntu |
| 22:37.39 | stoned | JoshJ: if you're using ubuntu you should join #ubuntu |
| 22:37.47 | Solak | JoshJ: when I try to configure I get the message the one of the libs (libstartup-notication0) is too old. |
| 22:37.53 | ribasushi | there is a bug in the latest version of libdatetime-locale-perl, I reported it both in the debian bts and on cpan but there is no response for nearly 3 weeks |
| 22:37.53 | JoshJ | i WAS on ubuntu when i used beryl |
| 22:37.57 | Solak | JoshJ: oh. |
| 22:37.58 | JoshJ | i'm on debian now, trying to use compiz |
| 22:38.09 | Arafangion | JoshJ: A bit of a schism there, eh? |
| 22:38.17 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, then after the change do a " xdpyinfo |egrep "REND|Composite" " |
| 22:38.18 | ribasushi | is there a way for me to tell dpkg to ignore dependencies for an older version of the package I have installed? |
| 22:38.19 | JoshJ | Arafangion, i have some issues with ubuntu |
| 22:38.29 | Arafangion | JoshJ: Same. |
| 22:38.29 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: no |
| 22:38.34 | ribasushi | right now it will constantly force me to upgrade to the broken version |
| 22:38.39 | Solak | JoshJ: I tried with 'compiz --replace gconf' |
| 22:38.44 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: this sucks... |
| 22:38.45 | simonrvn | !tell ribasushi about hold |
| 22:38.49 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: if you don't want it to upgrade, put it on hold. |
| 22:38.58 | JoshJ | i think i need to restart X now, right? |
| 22:38.59 | Solak | JoshJ: I ended up with windows that didn't have captions, and only 1 virtual desktop. |
| 22:39.33 | ribasushi | simonrvn: so basically downgrade the packages that depend on it and put them on hold too... |
| 22:39.36 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, right |
| 22:39.38 | Solak | maybe it has something to do with the gfx card... ATI X800. |
| 22:39.43 | ribasushi | simonrvn: this could work... |
| 22:39.45 | JoshJ | yeah, brb |
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| 22:40.47 | JoshJ | Yep, that did it |
| 22:40.57 | JoshJ | Compiz is a lot "cleaner"-looking than beryl was |
| 22:41.07 | fsmunoz | Less bling though |
| 22:41.10 | fsmunoz | IIRC |
| 22:41.11 | JoshJ | that's what i mean |
| 22:41.20 | fsmunoz | ahh, ehe, indeed |
| 22:41.35 | JoshJ | note to self... don't close out the terminal you typed "compiz --replace" in |
| 22:41.43 | JoshJ | that did a fairly good job of messing things up |
| 22:41.48 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: btw, why are you using thaw(nfreeze()) instead of dclone()? |
| 22:42.02 | justin | JoshJ: use control-d to close terminals, not the windowmanger |
| 22:42.17 | Solak | JoshJ: like I just described? |
| 22:42.21 | JoshJ | yes, solak |
| 22:42.25 | JoshJ | justin, not working |
| 22:42.48 | Solak | JoshJ: which gfx card? |
| 22:42.55 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, you're using GNOME? |
| 22:42.58 | JoshJ | ati radeon 9800 |
| 22:43.01 | JoshJ | yes, GNOME |
| 22:43.05 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: the thaw/freeze is just for bug illustration purposes, I am actually moving the serialized object to a different program and thawing it |
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| 22:43.18 | justin | JoshJ: you were supposed to run compiz --replace & |
| 22:43.25 | JoshJ | justin, i tried that, didn't work either |
| 22:43.26 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, add "compiz --replace" in the Session startup commands. |
| 22:43.27 | justin | JoshJ: hit control-z, type bg, then control-d |
| 22:44.01 | Solak | justin: should it work on debian testing? |
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| 22:44.08 | justin | Solak: what is it? |
| 22:44.16 | JoshJ | just for the record, ^z froze X |
| 22:44.22 | justin | heh |
| 22:44.32 | fsmunoz | JoshJ, actually there should be a way to tell GNOME via gconf to use beryl and not metacity. |
| 22:44.42 | JoshJ | and compiz --replace & caused the glitch solak described earlier |
| 22:44.44 | Solak | justin: well, I tried Compiz on debian testing but it didn't work... |
| 22:44.44 | JoshJ | fascinating. :| |
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| 22:44.59 | justin | afaik, beryl automatically changes your session |
| 22:45.28 | JoshJ | and fascinatingly enough, there's no compiz app in ps |
| 22:45.38 | JoshJ | nor metacity |
| 22:45.40 | JoshJ | wtfery |
| 22:46.05 | JoshJ | i can't move windows now either. fun. time to restart X again, and do it without the & |
| 22:46.05 | Solak | justin: I can't get beryl compiled under debian... |
| 22:46.19 | stoned | Solak: follow the beryl wiki |
| 22:46.21 | Solak | justin: it complains about the libstartup-notification0 |
| 22:46.24 | stoned | its got a mirror for deb packages |
| 22:46.35 | stoned | i used those and it works |
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| 22:46.50 | ZeeO | hey guys need some help my buddy payed for a server from hosting biz then tryed to use some guide to set it all up seems he messed up good how can i remove all the packages he install and go back to a base system so i can start fresh with out reloading os cuz its on remote server |
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| 22:47.20 | JoshJ | bah |
| 22:47.26 | JoshJ | i'll just put it on screen 4 and minimize it |
| 22:47.47 | JoshJ | where's the compiz tweaky thing where you can play with the settings? |
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| 22:48.11 | stoned | compiz-manager I think |
| 22:48.24 | stoned | JoshJ: why don't you just compiz <tab> <tab> |
| 22:48.35 | JoshJ | compiz and compiz.real are the only options :\ |
| 22:48.38 | doublehp | brctl problem: after doing http://rafb.net/p/esyodY75.html I can not ping "other side" of gateway ... both side using same netmask ; eth0 is 802.3, eth1 is 802.11b, can that be a problem ? |
| 22:48.47 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: well, you'll probably get a better response if you include the same information that upstream has, and moreover include the test infomration in the bug report |
| 22:48.55 | JoshJ | and compiz and compiz.real are both running in ps |
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| 22:48.59 | JoshJ | so i suspect that's not it |
| 22:49.00 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: but if upstream hasn't responded, don't expect the maintainer to fix the bug instantly. |
| 22:49.19 | Solak | stoned: W: GPG error: http://debian.beryl-project.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 3FF0DB166A7476EA |
| 22:49.31 | JoshJ | that's not a big deal |
| 22:49.34 | stoned | Solak: so look for the key there |
| 22:49.35 | JoshJ | just means you didn't set up the key |
| 22:49.46 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: I understand that, besides the only thing the maintainer can do is roll the thing back, DateTime is very spaghettized |
| 22:49.50 | JoshJ | you can still install stuff that way, i did it all the time on ubuntu with third party repositories |
| 22:49.53 | fsmunoz | Solak, visit http://debian.beryl-project.org/ and following the instructions in the bottom |
| 22:49.56 | khermans_ | can anyone suggest an efficient algorithm for determining the mdadm chunk size given the RAID0 array I will have stores files that are generally between 200 MB and 5 GB each |
| 22:49.59 | doublehp | Solak: /topic ! |
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| 22:50.04 | helo | how can i run the network configuration stuff after i've installed? |
| 22:50.10 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: I was asking how to freeze it, and downgrading the entire DateTime suite seemed to be the right answer |
| 22:50.13 | fsmunoz | Solak, i.e.: wget http://debian.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 22:50.16 | Solak | doublehp: the one about the key? that didn't work in this case... |
| 22:50.22 | stoned | doublehp: umm. keys for that mirror are not in the /topic |
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| 22:50.44 | justin | khermans_: try each and see which performs best for you |
| 22:50.59 | doublehp | Solak: theory remains the same; you "just" need to change the key itself !!! is that difficult to be clever and switch 8 digits ? |
| 22:51.07 | khermans_ | justin, has someone not done this reasearch before or published algorithm?. |
| 22:51.28 | justin | khermans_: they might have, google might dig up something |
| 22:51.32 | raxip | hello |
| 22:51.34 | cokeslut | Hello |
| 22:51.38 | khermans_ | Jussi, yeah i did google ... lol |
| 22:51.58 | x_link | ha... everything works now =) |
| 22:52.22 | dondelelcaro | ribasushi: no, the solution is to fix the STORABLE_{freeze,thaw,attach} subroutines. |
| 22:52.45 | dondelelcaro | no doubt you can find someone in #perl who you can pay to fix the bug |
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| 22:53.18 | Solak | is it normal that the apt-key add - takes a long time? |
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| 22:53.28 | dondelelcaro | (or you can look through it yourself; the bug is somewhere in DateTime::Locale::Base) |
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| 22:53.44 | dondelelcaro | Solak: only if you've screwed up the command line. |
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| 22:55.55 | Solak | dondelelcaro: then obviously I did :-( |
| 22:56.05 | Solak | dondelelcaro: though I pasted the exact line. |
| 22:56.24 | dondelelcaro | Solak: what command did you run? where did it get stuck? |
| 22:56.30 | cokeslut | I'll soon find out |
| 22:56.33 | raxip | good |
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| 22:57.19 | Solak | dondelelcaro: wget http://debian.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add - |
| 22:58.08 | cwheeler | where can i read about the different debian distributions? ie, testing, unstable, experimental? |
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| 22:58.33 | ribasushi | dondelelcaro: don't have neither the expertise nor the funds for that, so I'll wait :) |
| 22:58.35 | stoned | cwheeler: debian.orgg |
| 22:58.58 | Solak | dondelelcaro: it got the key, but it probably didn't reach apt-key |
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| 23:00.33 | rahul | you mean wget http://... | apt-key add? |
| 23:00.52 | karsten | Solak: the archive key factoid gives you the correct recipie. |
| 23:00.52 | Solak | rahul: well, that obviously didn't work... |
| 23:00.53 | rahul | wget -o - probably |
| 23:00.59 | justin | -O- |
| 23:01.19 | karsten | cwheeler: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 23:01.33 | karsten | Solak: wget -O <outfile> <URL> |
| 23:02.02 | Solak | hmmm. |
| 23:02.11 | Solak | the one on the wiki causes the same problem. |
| 23:02.18 | cwheeler | thanks karsten |
| 23:02.19 | karsten | !tell Solak about 2006 key |
| 23:02.22 | karsten | Solak: Read that. |
| 23:03.11 | karsten | Solak: If it's not the 2006 key specifically, gpg --armor --export <keyid> | apt-key add - |
| 23:03.11 | karsten | And the --armor is not necessary. |
| 23:03.11 | karsten | (but works). |
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| 23:04.00 | Solak | karsten: that's the key apt-get update gives? |
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| 23:04.31 | karsten | Solak: Those keys should be automatically added to the apt-key keyring. |
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| 23:04.50 | karsten | Solak: ... if you're installing the keyring packages. |
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| 23:06.40 | Solak | karsten: hmm, I must admit it's not entirely clear :/ |
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| 23:08.22 | Mitar | i have a problem - cannot install debian with today's daily testing netinstall - it does find my cd-rom |
| 23:08.31 | vrkhans | hi |
| 23:08.35 | vrkhans | i am new to linux |
| 23:08.52 | nethenson | hello vrkhans |
| 23:08.56 | vrkhans | i am planning to install linux |
| 23:08.57 | vrkhans | hi |
| 23:09.09 | fsmunoz | Solak, still the problem with the beryl rep key? |
| 23:09.09 | xand | HELLO |
| 23:09.09 | vrkhans | i have a 200gb hard drive |
| 23:09.21 | karsten | !tell vrkhans about d-i |
| 23:09.33 | vrkhans | how many partiion i need for dual boot |
| 23:09.40 | vrkhans | and what kind |
| 23:09.40 | nescius | vrkhans, then try something with friendly community arround |
| 23:09.58 | nescius | vrkhans, 2 |
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| 23:10.02 | Mitar | is this normal etch behaviour? |
| 23:10.06 | Mitar | any workaround? |
| 23:10.13 | xand | Mitar: did you miss "not" from your question? |
| 23:10.18 | vrkhans | hmm |
| 23:10.25 | xand | Mitar: I'd suggest using RC1 instead |
| 23:10.41 | vrkhans | i initially made 4 primary partitions |
| 23:10.52 | nescius | vrkhans, one for windoors and one for linux |
| 23:10.58 | Mitar | xand - true, it does not find cd-rom |
| 23:11.05 | karsten | vrkhans: You'll need 2+ partitions depending on how you want things set up. |
| 23:11.12 | vrkhans | 20 gb for win , 20gb for linux and 75 and 75 gb for storage |
| 23:11.26 | vrkhans | should i change it |
| 23:11.28 | capiira | you need swap too |
| 23:11.29 | Solak | fsmunoz: yep, but now more with sudo :) |
| 23:11.37 | fsmunoz | Solak, exactly |
| 23:11.40 | nescius | vrkhans, that will not work |
| 23:11.48 | fsmunoz | Solak, don't use that line if you don't use sudo normally |
| 23:11.55 | vrkhans | nescius why |
| 23:11.58 | Mitar | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 |
| 23:12.18 | karsten | capiira: Not strictly. You can use swapfiles. |
| 23:12.23 | Mitar | you are sure i can do netinstall with rc1? |
| 23:12.36 | nescius | if you want to install debian, then the storage have to be in fat32 and they have some trouble with partitions this big, dont they? |
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| 23:12.39 | Solak | fsmunoz: appears so... but apt-key won't work without (su is not such a good idea and doesn't work in that case). |
| 23:12.51 | capiira | yeah but its nicer to use partitions |
| 23:13.06 | karsten | nescius: Windows won't _create_ FAT32 partitons > ~32 GB IIRC, but can _use_ larger partitions. |
| 23:13.13 | vrkhans | does there any file system i can share both in linux and widows |
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| 23:13.27 | karsten | capiira: Yes. I agree. Distinguishing "strictly necessary" vs. "preferable". |
| 23:13.32 | karsten | vrkhans: FAT32 / vfat |
| 23:13.33 | fsmunoz | arrgh |
| 23:13.39 | fsmunoz | Solak, repeating since I don't know if you got it |
| 23:13.41 | nescius | karsten, ok then, i didnt know that, but is it still readable? |
| 23:13.41 | fsmunoz | Solak, su - |
| 23:13.44 | fsmunoz | Solak, i.e. change to root. cd to /tmp. do the wget part of the command |
| 23:13.46 | capiira | and easier too using the the installer |
| 23:13.46 | karsten | vrkhans: That's the same filesystem, as referred to by Windows and Linux. |
| 23:13.49 | fsmunoz | then fo "apt-key add root@lupine.me.uk.gpg" |
| 23:13.50 | Mitar | so what do you recommned? |
| 23:13.52 | karsten | rahul: Yes. |
| 23:13.55 | Mitar | unstable netinst? is there any? |
| 23:13.57 | karsten | rahul: NM. |
| 23:13.58 | karsten | nescius: yes. |
| 23:14.05 | vrkhans | okk |
| 23:14.20 | vrkhans | so you think 20 gb is enough for linux |
| 23:14.27 | nescius | vrkhans, some other distros can read/write ntfs |
| 23:14.39 | nescius | or youll need to update kernel |
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| 23:14.55 | Solak | fsmunoz: yeah, seems to work, but the problem isn't solved... apt-get update still complains... |
| 23:15.01 | nescius | but this isnt the best start for a beginer |
| 23:15.09 | rahul | karsten: OP |
| 23:15.11 | fsmunoz | nescius, ntfs3g uses FUSE and it's available... it will work, but probably better to go with FAT32 anyway |
| 23:15.13 | Mitar | please??? |
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| 23:15.24 | karsten | vrkhans: It's sufficient. If you'd like my druthers: don't dual boot, use seperate systems. If you've got to have both available, rdesktop (from Linux to windows) is my preference. You can also use virtualization tools (vmware, qemu, xen) to run both systems simultaneously. |
| 23:15.28 | cheal | hi. how can I fsck my root partition (without rebooting 19 times) |
| 23:15.29 | fsmunoz | Solak, did you do the commands as root? |
| 23:15.37 | Solak | yep |
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| 23:15.48 | vrkhans | for i want to use or resize that 20gb space for linux, what additional partion should i made |
| 23:15.57 | fsmunoz | Solak, "apt-key list" |
| 23:16.06 | vrkhans | in that 20gb |
| 23:16.21 | fsmunoz | Solak, does it list something about that rep? Should be the last entry... |
| 23:16.48 | Solak | no :( |
| 23:16.53 | enouf | karsten: fwiw .. that 32gb partition size creation limitation is only a construct of MS's XPoop CD (just b/c trhey wanted everyone to switch to ntfscrapola) .. a win98 CD can create much larger |
| 23:17.06 | fsmunoz | Solak, what a bloody mystery... |
| 23:17.06 | cafuego_ | yaaaaay |
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| 23:17.15 | cafuego_ | The alpha is booting an etch cd :-) |
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| 23:17.36 | rahul | ah, girls. |
| 23:18.09 | fsmunoz | Solak, I just did those steps here |
| 23:18.09 | cheal | cafuego_: setting up the alpha developer machine, right? :) |
| 23:18.09 | fsmunoz | Solak, and I get a "Nicholas Thomas" key in the "apt-key list" |
| 23:18.22 | Solak | fsmunoz: the one on the wiki did the trick as root (not very nice, mis-use of root, but it worked) |
| 23:18.32 | fsmunoz | Solak, did the apt-key add returned an "OK"? |
| 23:18.42 | karsten | enouf: Figures. |
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| 23:19.02 | Mitar | is there any unstable netinst image? |
| 23:19.05 | fsmunoz | Solak, what misuse of root? |
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| 23:19.14 | fsmunoz | Solak, the apt-key commands must be made as root... |
| 23:19.18 | Mitar | or how could i have a newer kernel on testing netinst? |
| 23:19.29 | enouf | karsten: and as you know, the filesize limit on fat32 is 2gb under legacy , and 4gb under xpoop iirc , which is a real limittion for those media hungry scriptkiddie types :-P .. but who cares |
| 23:19.30 | karsten | Mitar: boot linux26 |
| 23:19.40 | cafuego_ | cheal: Not quite so much as got given an alpha thatw as hiding under a staircase @ a large american aircraft manufacturer's offices in australia. |
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| 23:19.52 | Mitar | does not have daily etch this as a default now? 2.6? |
| 23:20.23 | karsten | enouf: the 2GB limit is not FAT32 but an earlier FAT (16?). There's a "disk size / partition limits" doc somewhere. Maybe linux large disk howto? |
| 23:20.29 | karsten | enouf: Tons of magic numbers out there. |
| 23:20.57 | karsten | enouf: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/Large-Disk-4.html |
| 23:21.11 | enouf | karsten: 2Gb partition for fat16, Filesize for fat32 |
| 23:21.16 | karsten | enouf: Mostly BIOS limits. |
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| 23:22.41 | karsten | enouf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table |
| 23:22.51 | enouf | http://ntfs.com/ntfs_vs_fat.htm belive it or not .. and only b/c it's you .. anyone else I'd tell to pissoff (any windonts luser anyways |
| 23:23.19 | karsten | enouf: fat32: 8 TiB max filesystem size, 4 GB max filesize, 255 max filename size |
| 23:23.31 | enouf | karsten: that's what I said :-) |
| 23:23.38 | cheal | cafuego_: too bad :) |
| 23:23.44 | capiira | there exist ext3 drivers for windows too but i forgot the site name |
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| 23:24.26 | enouf | karsten: though I never mentioned fat32 partition size limitation yet .. only the redmond xpoop self-imposed creation size limitation |
| 23:24.50 | karsten | enouf: I'm impressed that I remembered the FAT32 FS restriction more-or-less right. |
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| 23:25.01 | karsten | Man. FAT12: 16 MB. |
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| 23:25.31 | enouf | karsten: that's how redmond handles security issues.. via needlessly enshackling their user base .. but that's what you get if you are a b0z0 |
| 23:25.48 | enouf | karsten: som am i ;-P |
| 23:25.53 | enouf | er so am I |
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| 23:26.38 | nitro4ce | i have an error after i install the nvidia drivers. kinda X doesnt start. i get a black screen. |
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| 23:27.12 | enouf | capiira: perhaps you mean explore2fs driver? |
| 23:27.15 | xand | nitro4ce: and the error is? |
| 23:27.27 | cafuego_ | capiira: www.fs-driver.org (IFS ext2 driver) |
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| 23:28.01 | pilgrim | Hi all. K. I admit I use ubuntu...but the problem I have I don't think it's ubuntu specific. Whenever I use the help from any program...the help files (XML format) open in firefox. How do I fix this? |
| 23:28.03 | nitro4ce | xand: the error is that X doesnt start using the nvidia drivers. |
| 23:28.14 | nitro4ce | xand: i get a black screen |
| 23:28.14 | capiira | then install nvidia-xconfig too and run it one maybe that helps |
| 23:28.17 | xand | nitro4ce: no, what's the error message |
| 23:28.21 | xand | look in the X log |
| 23:28.29 | nitro4ce | xand: i dont have the x log |
| 23:28.34 | xand | yes you do. |
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| 23:28.43 | Mitar | there is no kernel with name "linux26" on etch |
| 23:28.43 | capiira | yeah cafuego that was the site |
| 23:28.47 | xand | pilgrim: #ubuntu |
| 23:28.52 | nitro4ce | xand: where? |
| 23:29.01 | xand | pilgrim: there is no firefox in recent debian |
| 23:29.06 | karsten | !tell pilgrim about ubuntu |
| 23:29.15 | Solak | ok, Beryl is installed. |
| 23:29.25 | xand | nitro4ce: /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you have etch |
| 23:30.07 | nitro4ce | xand |
| 23:30.16 | xand | yes |
| 23:30.18 | enouf | Mitar: ? |
| 23:30.22 | nitro4ce | xand: i have the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 23:30.30 | nitro4ce | xand: but not the file u say |
| 23:30.32 | capiira | i would use aiglx, xgl, what ever but opengl apps still runs bad with composite :/ |
| 23:30.34 | xand | !u |
| 23:30.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:30.41 | xand | is that file recent? |
| 23:30.47 | capiira | i hope they find a way to fix it |
| 23:31.03 | Mitar | ok, so i have dg965 mother board and i cannot install debian on it .. is there any way to do it? |
| 23:31.07 | enouf | Mitar: the netinstaller using expert or expertgui will get you to be able to choose unstabke |
| 23:31.16 | nitro4ce | xand: yes |
| 23:31.25 | xand | as in, minutes old? |
| 23:31.32 | nitro4ce | xand: yep |
| 23:31.35 | xand | look in it for lines with (EE) at the start |
| 23:31.40 | enouf | Mitar: use a daily or weekly build, not RC1 |
| 23:31.49 | Mitar | i am using a daily build |
| 23:31.52 | Mitar | today's |
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| 23:32.02 | Mitar | so i should go into expert and then? |
| 23:32.06 | xand | Mitar: did you try RC1? |
| 23:32.09 | Mitar | when should i choose unstable |
| 23:32.10 | enouf | heh .. you're heone whom posted the info about the News Mitar |
| 23:32.18 | Mitar | no ... because it has broken keys |
| 23:32.20 | enouf | er s/heone/the one |
| 23:32.25 | xand | Mitar: never unless you're an expert |
| 23:32.26 | karsten | Mitar: When you don't need to ask that question. |
| 23:32.28 | karsten | !unstable |
| 23:32.28 | Mitar | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 |
| 23:32.29 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 23:32.35 | ZeeO | !mysql |
| 23:32.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mysql is A fast and reliable open source relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. It supports a wide range of advanced functionality such as views, transaction support, recovery functionality etc. It is the worlds most popular open source database. The database is packed as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Futher information can be found at http://mysql.com and #mysql. |
| 23:32.49 | Mitar | and i am doing a netinst ... |
| 23:33.07 | karsten | Anyone know what the gzip file header looks like? I'm generating an on-the-fly ar archive and get "messages.gz: gzip compressed data, ASCII, continuation, extra field, encrypted |
| 23:33.09 | nitro4ce | xand: there are no lines starting with EE |
| 23:33.11 | karsten | ... from 'file'. |
| 23:33.21 | enouf | Mitar: did you try what I said? .. otherwise read the f2-f10 keys as the installer suggests |
| 23:33.34 | xand | nitro4ce: pastebin the file somewhere |
| 23:33.41 | nitro4ce | xand: allright |
| 23:33.49 | Mitar | xand, i meant, when at the installation step i should choose an expert |
| 23:33.52 | Mitar | ehm, unstable |
| 23:33.56 | enouf | wonders why there are even f2-f10 helpful info when it appears most don;t even bother |
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| 23:34.06 | Mitar | i tryed expert installation but it did not have any option for "unstable" |
| 23:34.13 | xand | Mitar: unstable is not what you want! |
| 23:34.16 | xand | !unstable |
| 23:34.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 23:34.17 | Mitar | the problem is that in the third step (mounting cd-rom) it fails |
| 23:34.22 | Mitar | i know what unstable is |
| 23:34.29 | Mitar | i used it for years on other machines :-) |
| 23:34.33 | xand | the option for it is after that |
| 23:34.37 | Solak | hmm, beryl doesn't work here :( same problem as compiz... |
| 23:34.45 | Mitar | i would go for stable if it would work on my system |
| 23:34.47 | nitro4ce | xand: http://pastebin.ca/369647 |
| 23:34.53 | Mitar | the next try was testing |
| 23:35.02 | Mitar | but it does not go over the mount cd-rom |
| 23:35.09 | Mitar | so ... what can i do ... :-( |
| 23:35.18 | xand | nitro4ce: # |
| 23:35.19 | xand | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found |
| 23:35.30 | nitro4ce | xand: oh didnt see that one |
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| 23:36.05 | Solak | oops :) too soon :) it works! |
| 23:36.10 | enouf | Mitar: you'll need the newer kernel maybe though (you have the Jmicron IDE controller issue I guess?).. switch to alt-f2 and apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-?? .. I forget exactly |
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| 23:36.23 | Solak | now trying to figure out how to handle it... |
| 23:36.34 | Mitar | hmm |
| 23:36.35 | Mitar | nice |
| 23:36.47 | enouf | Mitar: I thought that was already integrated into he etch daily kernel builds |
| 23:36.52 | nitro4ce | xand: but i have the distro drivers installed |
| 23:36.54 | Mitar | you can install newer kernel while you are installing the system |
| 23:37.01 | enouf | Mitar: ermm .. that Jmicron ide controller fix |
| 23:37.18 | enouf | Mitar: yes .. but I forget exactly at which stage :-P |
| 23:37.21 | quintin | So, do I want 3 large pizzas from papa johns @ 22.99 or 5 medium pizzas from pizza hut @ 25.00 ... ? |
| 23:37.44 | enouf | quintin: heh |
| 23:38.05 | quintin | or should I actually leave the house and buy real food? :-S |
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| 23:38.13 | Mitar | i doubt i have Jmicron ide controller - i have an intel motherborad |
| 23:38.35 | enouf | Mitar: oh .. you do .. OR .. you don;t need any buffoonery to et it installed |
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| 23:38.39 | h3sp4wn | Mitar: You could find a live cd with 2.6.19 and install with debootstrap (building a 2.6.19 kernel at the same time) |
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| 23:39.46 | enouf | Mitar: the 965 chipsets also use ICH8 IIRC, and the neweer 975x use ICH7, depending .. do you have a Sata CD/DVD drive? |
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| 23:39.55 | Mitar | no, ide one |
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| 23:40.01 | cheal | nitro4ce: so nvidia-glx is installed? |
| 23:40.02 | Muisje | itchi? |
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| 23:40.08 | Mitar | two sata disks and one ide cd-rom |
| 23:40.09 | enouf | Mitar: the ICH8 doesn't have support for IDE anymore IIRC |
| 23:40.26 | Mitar | there is slot! |
| 23:40.28 | enouf | Mitar: so .. you CDROM is the issue? |
| 23:40.37 | enouf | slot for what? |
| 23:40.40 | Mitar | (and cable and it is connected and linux boots) |
| 23:40.45 | Mitar | slot for ide :-) |
| 23:40.49 | enouf | and? |
| 23:41.05 | Mitar | so there is support for ide :-) |
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| 23:41.17 | enouf | Mitar: what the heckhardware do you have .. do you even know? |
| 23:41.22 | Mitar | yes |
| 23:41.40 | enouf | Mitar: Yes.. IDE support , but 3rd party controller .. UNLESS it's ICH7 |
| 23:41.44 | nitro4ce | cheal: yes |
| 23:41.59 | enouf | comprehende? |
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| 23:42.03 | nitro4ce | cheal: shall i reinstall to make sure everything is compatible |
| 23:42.09 | bzed | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ << there's an unofficial isntaller for sarge with 2.6.20, you could try that Mitar ... either you can select testing to install or just upgrade the minimal installation |
| 23:42.09 | cheal | nitro4ce: please provide the output of $ dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 23:42.31 | itchi | Muisje: :-p |
| 23:44.28 | nitro4ce | cheal: http://pastebin.ca/369663 |
| 23:44.30 | enouf | Mitar: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/current/changelog Jmicron is added/fixed as of 2.6.18-4 |
| 23:44.46 | nitro4ce | cheal: now i uninstalled everything. i was going to reinstall. |
| 23:45.06 | Mitar | i have http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/dg965ry/ |
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| 23:45.31 | Mitar | One Parallel ATA IDE interface with UDMA 33, ATA-66/100/133 support |
| 23:45.41 | enouf | Linux-2.6 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-10) ..as I said .. just install the darned unstable kernel image |
| 23:46.02 | enouf | Mitar: I never doubted IDE support .. but BY WHOM? |
| 23:46.12 | bzed | nitro4ce: uhh, please try that again with COLUMNS=100 dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 23:46.29 | Mitar | hmm, if it is the intel motherboard it is not from intel? |
| 23:46.31 | abrotman | enouf: eh .. etch and sid have the same AFAIK |
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| 23:46.40 | Mitar | true ... |
| 23:46.49 | enouf | You STILL haven't told us .. and you STILL don;t realize wghat hardware you have and whuich controllers are controlling which ports/interfaces |
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| 23:47.16 | alrs | Mitar: I'm late to this, are you dealing with an Intel MB that can't use its PATA cdrom installing etch? |
| 23:47.18 | bzed | enouf: they did - http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/dg965ry/ |
| 23:47.19 | Mitar | how can i check this? |
| 23:47.30 | enouf | abrotman: perhaps so .. haven't been watchiung these last few days (maybe a week or so) |
| 23:47.44 | cheal | nitro4ce: OK. if it still doesn't work, please provide the output of $ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l nvidia* |
| 23:47.53 | abrotman | i thought 965 needed the kmuto 2.6.20 |
| 23:48.07 | Mitar | alrs: yes, i cannot install an etch - it does not find an IDE cd-rom on dg965ry |
| 23:48.13 | enouf | It's not my job to guess which controller you have .. it's your job to find out and tell us |
| 23:48.18 | bzed | Mitar: try the sarge installer i've linked you to |
| 23:48.24 | Mitar | i will, thanks |
| 23:48.31 | alrs | It is seeing the sata drive, though? |
| 23:48.34 | Muisje | itchi, why aren't you in NL? |
| 23:48.36 | Muisje | :o |
| 23:48.37 | bzed | Mitar: just install testing with it |
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| 23:48.39 | mcbane | hi |
| 23:48.41 | enouf | and it's not my job to visit offsite URLs to read about it either |
| 23:48.57 | cheal | the answer to my question was # touch /forcefsck |
| 23:49.19 | xand | enouf: offsite? this isn't a website! |
| 23:49.20 | mcbane | how do i start a programm in bash with a different user name? (For example I am root but want to start the programm as a user) |
| 23:49.26 | alrs | I had a hell of a time with a 965 board and etch. PATA drive still doesn't work, and I could only get the SATA drive recognized by going in the bios and flipping some SATA setting to what the bios described as "Windows Vista Only" |
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| 23:49.39 | bzed | mcbane: su -c programname - username |
| 23:49.43 | alrs | Lots of advice says to set the sata controller in legacy mode, and that is wrong |
| 23:49.52 | mcbane | bzed: thanks |
| 23:49.54 | enouf | I mean heck .. I can also aste UDMA Support for UDMA 100/133 IDE Controller .. but what the fuck does that tell you about the controller itself or SouthBridge chip the Mobpo has ..absolutely niothing .. nada, zippo, zilch |
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| 23:50.05 | alrs | The kernel in the etch instaler can *just* barely deal with the sata controller |
| 23:50.08 | nitro4ce | cheal http://pastebin.ca/369671 |
| 23:50.16 | alrs | I immediately compiled my own 2.6.19 on installatio |
| 23:50.17 | enouf | oops.. I wrote "f***" .. when I meant heck :-p |
| 23:50.21 | stoned | alrs: use the weekly etch install image |
| 23:50.34 | bzed | !fuck |
| 23:50.34 | dpkg | Watch your language! |
| 23:50.37 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.10 |
| 23:50.40 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.20 |
| 23:50.41 | stoned | alrs: 2.6.18 is what you need to use, while rc1 etch is 2.6.17 |
| 23:50.42 | enouf | xand: fill in the apppropriate phrase for me then :-P |
| 23:50.43 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 23:50.54 | abrotman | !tell Muisje about sarge uni |
| 23:50.55 | alrs | This was a month or so back |
| 23:50.57 | stoned | alrs: well higher than 2.6.18 or whatever |
| 23:50.59 | alrs | whatever I used did have 2.6.18 |
| 23:50.59 | bzed | abrotman: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 23:51.03 | abrotman | yeah .. that :) |
| 23:51.06 | alrs | but like I said, it was sketchy even then |
| 23:51.07 | Muisje | Ehm, abrotman? |
| 23:51.10 | alrs | until I upgraded to .19 |
| 23:51.12 | abrotman | HI! |
| 23:51.15 | Muisje | Stop harassing me. |
| 23:51.24 | cheal | nitro4ce: thanks. you're aware that it's still not installed, though? |
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| 23:51.33 | Muisje | You may only harass me if i ask you to ;) |
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| 23:51.43 | nitro4ce | cheal: yes yes |
| 23:51.45 | enouf | xand: I though I was on a "forum" (*shiver*) for a moment there .. phew! |
| 23:51.53 | stoned | enouf: huh |
| 23:51.55 | abrotman | Muisje: then don't ask for help ? |
| 23:51.56 | xand | enouf: sickening! |
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| 23:52.08 | Muisje | I didn't ask anything abrotman? |
| 23:52.13 | alrs | I was really surprised how crappy the intel bios was |
| 23:52.16 | stoned | my fonts are too big |
| 23:52.22 | Muisje | Tab error maybe? :/ |
| 23:52.25 | alrs | I expected something a lot slicker |
| 23:52.29 | abrotman | Muisje: so you're not having any problems ? |
| 23:52.30 | enouf | stoned: .. I'm just goofing, since I can't seem to get clear answers from people .. so I might as well be vague myself :-P |
| 23:52.41 | Muisje | no more / not yet, atleast. |
| 23:52.41 | nitro4ce | cheal: is everything ok? |
| 23:52.47 | stoned | enouf: vague |
| 23:52.56 | stoned | vague us. |
| 23:52.59 | stoned | :D |
| 23:53.02 | enouf | !doobie stoned |
| 23:53.05 | Muisje | Or in correct english: not at the moment, abrotman |
| 23:53.15 | abrotman | Muisje: i'll give you a problem! |
| 23:53.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:53.29 | Muisje | But uhm abrotman, why are you telling me about sarge uni? |
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| 23:53.36 | Muisje | I don't recall asking you anything? |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | Muisje: you're asking about the sata controller for the 965 ? |
| 23:53.49 | abrotman | and how to get debian installed on it ? |
| 23:53.52 | Muisje | No? |
| 23:53.53 | sid | Gnome 2.18 will be released in a few weeks, and Ubuntu will take that and package it.. why doesn't Debian just take Ubuntu's gnome and use that? |
| 23:54.02 | abrotman | that's it .. back to the abrot-cave |
| 23:54.03 | sid | pretty much the only different between Debian GNU/Linux and Ubuntu.. is that Ubuntu doesn't have as many packages.. and they do some special stuff with gnome. but their gnome seems pretty decent... doesn't it save a lot of time/work if their gnome is taken and put into unstable? |
| 23:54.05 | stoned | abrotman: it was alrs |
| 23:54.07 | bzed | abrotman: tab-pwned :P |
| 23:54.08 | Muisje | Hehe abrotman :) |
| 23:54.33 | stoned | brotman is a german name? |
| 23:54.38 | abrotman | not for me |
| 23:54.43 | bzed | stoned: that would be brotmann |
| 23:54.46 | sid | or would that break debian in many ways if Ubuntu's gnome was put in Debian? Would it be more work to take Ubuntu's gnome and put it in Debian.. or to take vanilla gnome 2.18 from gnome.org and put it in Debian? |
| 23:54.48 | xand | sid: why would we want to pollute debian with ubuntu's broken packages? |
| 23:54.55 | abrotman | i'm not german .. and have no german ancestors |
| 23:54.57 | abrotman | Muisje: ewww! |
| 23:55.06 | stoned | bzed: it sounded german :) |
| 23:55.08 | Muisje | What? you like your coffee cold? |
| 23:55.16 | stoned | I love my coffee cold |
| 23:55.24 | stoned | prefrebly with crushed ice |
| 23:55.25 | bzed | stoned: sounds more dutch for me due to the missing n at the end :D |
| 23:55.26 | xand | abrotman: I remember someone insisting that you were german! |
| 23:55.28 | abrotman | i don't drink coffee |
| 23:55.32 | abrotman | xand: more than one |
| 23:55.33 | stoned | and lots of milk |
| 23:55.40 | cheal | nitro4ce: assuming you run 2.6.18-4-k7, yeah, but feel free to provide your X log |
| 23:55.41 | bzed | Muisje: cied coffe for me please, too |
| 23:55.43 | stoned | like an iced coffee slushie |
| 23:55.45 | cheal | nitro4ce: oh, wait |
| 23:56.00 | stoned | bzed: you have good taste in coffee. cold is good |
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| 23:56.11 | Muisje | abrotman, maybe you should... your mixing up names ;) |
| 23:56.19 | sid | xand: They seem to work pretty well. |
| 23:56.28 | abrotman | Muisje: you're mixing up homonyms :) |
| 23:56.32 | alrs | long story short with 965 mobo: it's still bleeding edge hardware, PATA cdroms aren't working yet, do a PXE net-install |
| 23:56.41 | stoned | how does one enable apache2's UserDir? for ~/public_html as in www.domain.com/~user |
| 23:57.06 | cheal | nitro4ce: so X crashes while starting? |
| 23:57.22 | enouf | Mitar: http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/g965/index.htm that's the friggin page you should be viewing .. notice how conveniently Intel leaves out any IDE UDMA Support .. It's non-fucken-existant dammit! (in their ICH8 anyways) .. you have the Jmicron issue .. get it! are we clear? ..-) |
| 23:57.30 | sid | stoned: I believe you just uncomment some lines in apache2.conf they're already setup just need to be uncommented. not sure which ones |
| 23:57.37 | stoned | its fairly easy in apache1.3 which is just UserDir enabled in |
| 23:57.44 | stoned | sid: I didn't find that line |
| 23:57.46 | enouf | !shoot Intel and all their Blista loving bitches |
| 23:58.03 | Muisje | abrotman, homonyms? (i'm foreigner remember ;)) |
| 23:58.18 | cheal | nitro4ce: did you try debsums? |
| 23:58.26 | stoned | there are no foriegners on the internet |
| 23:58.40 | abrotman | Muisje: your vs you're |
| 23:59.00 | bzed | sid: /etc/apache2/mods-enable/userdir.conf << from head... probably you need to enable to module |
| 23:59.04 | Muisje | you're right. *hits himself* |
| 23:59.13 | stoned | ahh |
| 23:59.16 | rahul | durn furriners. |
| 23:59.19 | stoned | bzed: it was me asking this.. thanks |
| 23:59.35 | bzed | stoned: ah missed that, only saw your last line |
| 23:59.43 | bzed | and its mods-enabled |
| 23:59.44 | bzed | :D |
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| 23:59.50 | stoned | word |
| 23:59.52 | Muisje | so homonyms are words that are pronounced the same but have different meanings? |
