| 00:00.30 | Thomas___ | what is the url of this famous picture ? |
| 00:01.19 | martiancode | itchi: lol@cheeese |
| 00:02.25 | Caelum | Thomas___: I don't think it matters, but not sure. Why do you want /boot secondary? |
| 00:04.09 | Thomas___ | Caelum don't know but I care about swap because last time I install debian it created swap in logical and secondary so after I cant create new secondary space on my disk |
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| 00:05.26 | itchi | martiancode: I have my Python t-shirt too :-p |
| 00:05.35 | Thomas___ | what is the url of this famous picture ? |
| 00:05.35 | NTLDR_FEHLT | moinmoin |
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| 00:08.40 | Snake-Eyes | I installed fresh version debain etch on a box and soon as it boots grub gives me error 22. I have 4 drives and its on second partition with win2k being on the first partition. Any sugestions ? (I'm not near the box right now) |
| 00:08.41 | itchi | martiancode: I gona sleep, otherwise tomorrow it go to be to hard |
| 00:08.56 | streuner | itchi: the 'grey' one seems to be good quality, how much is that? |
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| 00:09.24 | itchi | streuner: The gray 15 euro, the black 10 |
| 00:09.25 | raf256 | I have idea how to fix yet another thing which is fucked up in debian |
| 00:09.45 | itchi | streuner: It's the brand Fuit of the Loom |
| 00:09.46 | streuner | itchi: is it possible to buy another one? |
| 00:09.52 | raf256 | linking binaries on run - why it is not threaded? it means x2 slower startup time then possible on dual core |
| 00:09.53 | streuner | yeah, those are good... |
| 00:09.55 | itchi | oeps, fruit |
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| 00:10.07 | itchi | streuner: Yeah |
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| 00:10.26 | martiancode | itchi: alright mate have a very good night :-) |
| 00:10.46 | raf256 | which part of software links binarie with its libs on execution? kernel? ld? |
| 00:11.04 | itchi | Yeah, gona aptitude install sleep :-p |
| 00:11.25 | streuner | n8 |
| 00:11.37 | itchi | Thanks :-0 |
| 00:12.22 | stew | selim: then it sounds like your proftpd.conf was never setup |
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| 00:13.35 | selim | stew: thank you for your help I've found the problem, the update scrambled the proftpd conf in some way, the userdata for the mysql db was definitly wrong, I've changed that now and it works |
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| 00:13.57 | tenco | hows this memcheck utility named, again? |
| 00:14.10 | stew | tenco: memtest86+ ? |
| 00:14.16 | tenco | stew: ah. thanks :) |
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| 00:14.44 | stew | DeliPenguen: please turn that off in here |
| 00:14.44 | streuner | !tell DeliPenguen about away |
| 00:15.08 | DeliPenguen | ups.. sorry |
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| 00:15.41 | tenco | stew: no. memtest from sysutils is what i want |
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| 00:16.48 | |zetetic| | hi all |
| 00:17.15 | Ankman | hi |
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| 00:17.42 | Ankman | anybody know where Skype saves the username and password? |
| 00:19.24 | magyar | how can i open and edit files from Excell 2003 and Openoffice? |
| 00:19.42 | nvzn | apt-get update gives me errors about a corrupted bzip2 file... 99% [19 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 00:19.45 | nvzn | bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly; |
| 00:19.59 | ben1756 | in microsoft office or openoffice - maybe? |
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| 00:21.06 | magyar | in Openoffice |
| 00:21.36 | ben1756 | nvzn: you can completely wipe out the directory for the appropriate repository under /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 00:21.50 | ben1756 | nvzn: (and then run apt-get update again) |
| 00:22.06 | ben1756 | magyar: what's the problem? don't have openoffice? |
| 00:22.27 | |zetetic| | I'm running debian etch. If I boot on the system with the printer on the printer works without any problems. But if I only turn on the printer after booting on my debian system, the printer doesn't work! Anyone can help me with this issue? |
| 00:22.47 | foodoo | i have a problem: Xorg with ati card and radeon Xorg driver refuses to run at mode 1024x768, defaults to 640x480. any ideas why this happens? |
| 00:23.08 | nvzn | ben1756: ok |
| 00:23.09 | magyar | ben1756: i do, but i can not edit my excell file in openoffice. If I edit my formula I get "Please enter an amount between -10,000,000 to 10,000,000" |
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| 00:24.06 | eagles | how can i unban myself from the ubuntu irc chat channel |
| 00:24.38 | ben1756 | magyar: I'm not sure that I can offer any help in that case |
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| 00:24.53 | |zetetic| | and one more thing... If I turn off the printer and then turn it on (while on my gnome session) when I try to print something the printer job is always stopped - the system gives this errors: "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocanonij) crashed on signal 11!" and "Stopped: job-stopped" |
| 00:24.55 | ben1756 | magyar: I'm an emacs/latex guy myself |
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| 00:25.38 | eagles0513875 | how can i unban myself from a channel |
| 00:25.47 | raf256 | eagles0513875: pay 25 bucks |
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| 00:25.54 | eagles0513875 | u serious |
| 00:25.57 | raf256 | srsly |
| 00:26.19 | eagles0513875 | cuz some jerk gave me a command that said would make the bots laugh but instead it banned me from the channel |
| 00:26.22 | eagles0513875 | lol |
| 00:26.40 | streuner | eagles0513875: talk to the OP who banned you |
| 00:26.44 | raf256 | eagles0513875: ask for help in ##help |
| 00:26.48 | eagles0513875 | ok |
| 00:26.51 | raf256 | eagles0513875: ask for help in #help |
| 00:27.09 | eagles0513875 | there r no ops in the other channel |
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| 00:28.11 | stew | eagles0513875: /msg ChanServ access #channelname list |
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| 00:31.47 | ben1756 | I've gotten myself in a bit of a jam. I've got a server with an encrypted root filesystem that seems to have spontaneously decided not to boot. |
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| 00:34.07 | ben1756 | The /boot partition is unencrypted and the kernel and initfs seem to load just fine. I'm prompted for my luks pass and seems to set the loopback device. |
| 00:34.41 | ben1756 | The problem is: 'Mounting /dev/hdb2 on /root failed: No such device' |
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| 00:36.43 | ben1756 | Can anyone offer some suggestions? I'm having some difficulty understanding the nature of the error. When I try mounting the partition manually from Busybox, I get 'Device or resource busy' |
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| 00:40.41 | Quintin | What kernel does the 6.10 liveCD use? |
| 00:40.47 | Quintin | wrong chan |
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| 00:41.11 | Quintin | Does anyone here have dual core intel cpu ? or hyperthreading cpu? I need help confirming bug |
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| 00:42.56 | tsb | How do I search for a specific file using aptitude? I am looking for the package which holds 'syncml-obex-client' |
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| 00:43.03 | stew | tsb: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:43.19 | tsb | thanks :) |
| 00:44.09 | tsb | hrm. I don't have it installed, that's the thing.. |
| 00:45.23 | stew | install it |
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| 00:47.21 | |zetetic| | anyone knows why this is happening? - /usr/lib/cups/filter/pstocanonij failed |
| 00:48.22 | streuner | Does CUPS running at all? |
| 00:49.05 | streuner | or better, what command did you use? |
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| 00:51.04 | tsb | stew: :) but I don't know which package offers it. I do now, but that was pure luck after installing a few sensible choices |
| 00:51.48 | stew | tsb: use apt-file to figure out which package... |
| 00:51.51 | stew | tsb: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 00:52.00 | tsb | okay, thank you. |
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| 00:54.41 | Cholito | somehow I get disconnected every X minutes (from5 to 120+) and I have no idea why. Does anyone have an idea where should I start? =/ |
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| 00:55.30 | Ciantic | Which scripts from /etc/init.d Debian runs during startup? |
| 00:55.37 | Cholito | oh, this doesn't happens in Windows... |
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| 00:56.05 | stew | Cholito: the ones linked to by /etc/rcS.d then /etc/rc2.d |
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| 00:56.18 | stew | Ciantic: |
| 00:56.29 | Cholito | oh... |
| 00:56.33 | stew | Cholito: are you behind a natting router? |
| 00:56.53 | Cholito | "natting"? do you mean a router that redirects ports? =/ |
| 00:57.17 | Ciantic | stew, thanks |
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| 00:57.34 | stew | Cholito: yes. it would nt be uncommon for them to time out after X minutes of inactivity |
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| 00:57.52 | stew | Ciantic: use rcconf or update-rc.d if you want to change what is run |
| 00:57.55 | streuner | uh |
| 00:57.58 | stew | Netham: please do not do that |
| 00:58.00 | Cholito | Netham, ? |
| 00:58.13 | streuner | !shoot Netham |
| 00:58.21 | Netham | wow |
| 00:58.28 | Netham | that was alot of version replies |
| 00:58.31 | enouf | dpkg nice choice |
| 00:58.58 | Cholito | stew, do I have to change something in the router? |
| 00:59.33 | stew | Cholito: does it only happen during inactivity or does it happen when you are using the connection? |
| 00:59.36 | Ciantic | stew, so first comes rcS.d and then rc[i=0;i++].d |
| 00:59.44 | Cholito | stew, always |
| 00:59.57 | enouf | !tell Ciantic about rcconf |
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| 01:00.00 | stew | Ciantic: no, rcN.d where N is the runlevel that is staring. 2 is the default runlevel in debian |
| 01:01.00 | Ciantic | sorry if I broke the rules, these might be too trivial questions to channel |
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| 01:01.32 | stew | Ciantic: no, don't worry |
| 01:01.46 | stew | Ciantic: you might want to look at the debian reference, /msg dpkg reference |
| 01:01.48 | Cholito | as long as they are debian related =P |
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| 01:02.51 | zinx | !ops Morg!i=selma-nu@62.162.14.105 <- free porno video spammer |
| 01:02.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: Morg!i=selma-nu@62.162.14.105 <- free porno video spammer |
| 01:03.02 | Whopper | zinx: i got that too |
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| 01:03.03 | enouf | Ciantic: /msg dpkg runlevels, /msg dpkg services, install sysv-rc-conf and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/* |
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| 01:04.08 | Cholito | stew, it happens all the time =/ |
| 01:04.12 | Ciantic | oh, thanks |
| 01:04.44 | stew | Ciantic: i dunno then. does it happen to connections to machines on the same side of the router? |
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| 01:04.51 | stew | Cholito: ^^ |
| 01:05.14 | Cholito | no, as I'm the only one using Linux |
| 01:05.25 | Cholito | it doesn't happen when I switch to Windows |
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| 01:07.03 | braindead_moron | i have a kernel package from a vendor that has a "dependency" on a package I don't have access to.. The kernel works fine without the "dependency" but then apt is broken.. Is there a way to "spoof" apt and create/install a dummy package that supplies the "dependency"? |
| 01:07.30 | abrotman | !tell braindead_moron about equivs |
| 01:07.35 | abrotman | braindead_moron: what is the dep that is missing ? |
| 01:09.15 | Guerin | braindead_moron: bearing in mind that a broken dependency usually means something won't work - at all. |
| 01:11.11 | braindead_moron | Guerin: This is a customer kernel from empororer linux, they release it to the masses but set up a bogus "dependency" on an "empconfig" package that isn't really needed for use of the kernel, I guess to encourage people to just pay them $300 to install linux ? |
| 01:11.34 | Cholito | stew, what I don't understand is that it only happens in Linux, not in Windows... |
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| 01:12.32 | Guerin | braindead_moron: haha |
| 01:12.58 | Guerin | braindead_moron: that in itself is a good reason not to use their shit |
| 01:13.08 | Guerin | who knows what else they've fucked up |
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| 01:13.28 | braindead_moron | Guerin: I've probably tired 15 kernels trying to get this laptop to hibernate correctly, and theirs is the only one that works :-( |
| 01:13.29 | Guerin | although, that said, it's probably nothing a six year-old couldn't figure out |
| 01:13.31 | abrotman | braindead_moron: why are oyu using the kernel ? |
| 01:13.43 | Guerin | braindead_moron: using what suspend mechanism? |
| 01:13.43 | braindead_moron | err s/tired/tried |
| 01:14.12 | Dewi | braindead_moron: maybe you should reverse engineer why it's working for you now, and try to create a properly packaged kernel that does the same |
| 01:14.42 | braindead_moron | Guerin: I've tried suspend2 and the regular /proc/acpi/sleep methods... |
| 01:14.52 | Guerin | braindead_moron: what laptop? |
| 01:14.53 | Dewi | Guerin: I know nothing about kernel packaging... is there a possibility he could rip out the working kernel binary and repackage it sensibly himself? |
| 01:14.58 | braindead_moron | Dell D820 |
| 01:14.59 | Guerin | suspend2 has been glorious for me |
| 01:15.08 | Guerin | oh, dell |
| 01:15.11 | Guerin | all bets are off |
| 01:15.19 | Guerin | Dewi: yes, he could very well do that |
| 01:16.00 | braindead_moron | Yeah, I really wanted a MacBook Pro but my sys-admin ordered me this damend Dell anyway :-( |
| 01:16.00 | Guerin | in principle it's a matter of un-aring the package and editing a file in gontrol.tgz |
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| 01:16.01 | abrotman | control even :) |
| 01:16.22 | Guerin | but I got top marks for my research |
| 01:16.28 | Guerin | so it's all worth it |
| 01:16.37 | braindead_moron | ok, one more quick question, can I use dpkg or something to query the dependencies of a .deb? |
| 01:16.51 | braindead_moron | i don't see anything about that in man dpkg... |
| 01:16.55 | Guerin | dpkg: apt-cache show |
| 01:17.00 | Guerin | muh |
| 01:17.03 | Guerin | see, i'm stupid |
| 01:17.17 | braindead_moron | Guerin: But it isn't in my apt repository, it is just a .deb i have locally |
| 01:17.38 | abrotman | braindead_moron: you can extract it ... change the control file .. and repack it |
| 01:17.39 | Guerin | braindead_moron: once it's installed it should do it. |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | !info dpkg-repack etch |
| 01:18.00 | dpkg | dpkg-repack: (puts an unpacked .deb file back together), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.25 (etch), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 01:18.05 | Guerin | you don't even need to do that |
| 01:18.05 | braindead_moron | abrotman: That sounds even easier then the equivs route? |
| 01:18.13 | abrotman | debatable |
| 01:18.20 | Cholito | well, I will ask again in case some1 has a clue of what is happening |
| 01:18.31 | Guerin | just ar x foo.deb, then edit some file in the resulting control.tgz, then re-tar and re-ar |
| 01:18.42 | Guerin | !some1 |
| 01:18.48 | Cholito | somehow I get disconnected every X minutes (from5 to 120+) and I have no idea why. Does anyone have an idea where should I start? =/ |
| 01:18.49 | Guerin | rrr |
| 01:18.59 | Guerin | Cholito: call your ISP and complain |
| 01:19.06 | Cholito | yeah, right |
| 01:19.11 | Guerin | no, seriously |
| 01:19.18 | Guerin | chances are it's their problem, not yours |
| 01:19.26 | Cholito | it only happens in Linux, not in Windows |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | Cholito: disconnected from what ? |
| 01:19.36 | Guerin | in any case, they may be able to give you information |
| 01:19.58 | Cholito | abrotman, from internet, go offline |
| 01:20.13 | abrotman | everything ? |
| 01:20.14 | enouf | braindead_moron: fwiw .. some Hibernation info (using suspend2) for an 810 http://tkrat.org/d810/ |
| 01:20.20 | Cholito | abrotman, yeah |
| 01:20.27 | Cholito | irc, http, gaim |
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| 01:20.59 | Cholito | for a few seccond thou, and it's *really* anoying |
| 01:21.00 | |ryan| | I'm trying to install debian etch with debootstrap (the version from etch) |
| 01:21.16 | |ryan| | It's not setting up apt or baseconfig, anybody know what gives? |
| 01:21.50 | Cholito | yes, I reconnect in a few minutes (2 max) but it shouldn't happen right? |
| 01:22.02 | Guerin | |ryan|: does it error? |
| 01:22.20 | Guerin | |ryan|: and what branch? (hint: if it's not sarge it probably should be) |
| 01:22.47 | |ryan| | no errors at all |
| 01:22.55 | |ryan| | and I said I was installing etch |
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| 01:23.07 | Guerin | |ryan|: and output of dpkg -l |grep apt inside the chroot? |
| 01:23.13 | Guerin | put it on paster |
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| 01:23.28 | |ryan| | dpkg -l returns nothing |
| 01:23.28 | dpkg | ii returns nothing 3.9-5.2 |ryan|'s private porn collection |
| 01:23.48 | Guerin | |ryan|: answer my second question. |
| 01:24.04 | Cholito | LOL |
| 01:24.25 | Cholito | abrotman, any idea about it? |
| 01:24.36 | |ryan| | running dpkg -l yeilds no output. What do you mena what branch? I already said I was doing etch... |
| 01:24.56 | n3kl | xen networking is confusing. |
| 01:25.03 | abrotman | there is no base-config in etch |
| 01:25.24 | Guerin | |ryan|: but when you run debootstrap, you choose a target |
| 01:25.58 | |ryan| | debootstrap etch chroot http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ < That's what I ran. |
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| 01:27.12 | stew | |ryan|: you need to manually edit /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/fstab /etc/hosts /etc/hostname ; passwd root ; install a kernel and bootloader and install the bootloader |
| 01:27.43 | |ryan| | stew: Isn't it a problem that dpkg reports NOTHING installed? |
| 01:28.11 | Guerin | |ryan|: this is why I suggest installing sarge with debootstrap. It doesn't change and is known to work. |
| 01:28.13 | stew | |ryan|: did you chroot, then run dpkg -l ? |
| 01:28.22 | |ryan| | stew: correct. |
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| 01:28.50 | |ryan| | Guerin: It seems to work for vservers.... |
| 01:28.59 | stew | |ryan|: what does "ls -l chroot/var/lib/dpkg/status" say? |
| 01:29.41 | |ryan| | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2007-02-25 17:26 chroot/var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 01:29.50 | |ryan| | empty file. |
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| 01:30.32 | stew | |ryan|: yeah that's a problem. what about "ls chroot/usr/share/doc/ | wc -l" ? |
| 01:31.02 | |ryan| | stew: 65. There's stuff in there.... |
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| 01:32.16 | Guerin | beatings |
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| 01:32.36 | stew | |ryan|: sounds like debootstrap must have failed or gotten interrupted |
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| 01:33.05 | |ryan| | stew: I tried wiping the chroot dir and retrying, had the same problem again. |
| 01:33.28 | piyush | hi dp |
| 01:33.35 | stew | |ryan|: does debootstrap seem to succeed? |
| 01:33.36 | Guerin | |ryan|: same version as worked on the vservers? |
| 01:33.49 | Guerin | |ryan|: try sarge, just for s&g |
| 01:34.03 | stew | |ryan|: is the partition that contains the chroot-to-be mounted with any non-standard options, like nodev? |
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| 01:34.34 | |ryan| | stew: It's just a directory, not a seperate partition, and yes it's the same version I used for vserver creation. |
| 01:34.48 | |ryan| | Maybe it doesn't like the kernel.org mirror? |
| 01:35.48 | Guerin | anything's possibl;e |
| 01:36.12 | |ryan| | i'll try it with the default package soruce.... |
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| 01:36.27 | |ryan| | I was using kernel.org because it's faster. |
| 01:37.28 | iturk | hi there! is there a way to unzip a precompiled dll file? |
| 01:38.33 | |ryan| | iturk: What you are asking does not make sense. Can you please explain? |
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| 01:40.36 | Guerin | iturk: the short answer is `no' |
| 01:40.52 | Guerin | iturk: the long answer is `decompilers are not like unzippers' |
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| 01:41.25 | Guerin | (and the really long answer is too long and too full of profanity to print) |
| 01:41.48 | abrotman | lastly .. there aren't DLLs in debian |
| 01:41.50 | iturk | |ryan|: there is a dll file that has the distribution of some application inside it. This dll file is called by the author by precompiled dll file. This dll file its aimed for windows users. The author give us the source code (for the Unix user) and tells us to compile and to create a library. I just dont know the process of how to create a library. This is the website -> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~mrmenken/jclips/ Can someone help ??? |
| 01:42.50 | |ryan| | arg |
| 01:43.07 | |ryan| | ok, so debootstrap never says it's extracting apt |
| 01:43.17 | archville | Anyone here used kexec succesfully on Etch to change the kernel without rebooting ? |
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| 01:43.23 | archville | I'm just getting kernel panics |
| 01:43.33 | Guerin | iturk: ask the author for instructions on how to build it |
| 01:43.44 | iturk | Guerin: there is a makefile inside |
| 01:43.57 | Guerin | iturk: this is irrelevant to my advice. |
| 01:44.00 | |ryan| | archville: you know kexec will end all running proccesses right? kexec just skips going thrugh the bios/bootloader |
| 01:44.26 | archville | |ryan|, yes, i'm just playing with it, nothing serious, trying to change kernel |
| 01:44.38 | Quintin | I need someone with a dual-core intel CPU and someone with a hyper-threading CPU to help me confirm a bug please. Take about 5 minutes to do. |
| 01:45.01 | |ryan| | wtf is wrong with this? |
| 01:45.49 | bzed | Quintin: probably just tell about your bug, probably it's just old and known |
| 01:45.54 | abrotman | Quintin: give us more info |
| 01:45.57 | iturk | Guerin: i already asked -> http://pastebin.ca/372455 |
| 01:45.58 | Guerin | Quintin: i have a hype-threaded cpu |
| 01:46.15 | Quintin | Guerin: Is hyperthreading enabled? you have 2 cpus in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 01:46.27 | Quintin | Guerin: apt-get install pnscan, pnscan example.com 1:1024 |
| 01:46.31 | Guerin | Quintin: i have a SMP kernel installed, but only on CPU in cpuinfo |
| 01:46.33 | Quintin | bzed: I already searched for it. |
| 01:46.43 | Guerin | you have hit the limit of what I know about hypethreading |
| 01:46.50 | Guerin | other than `it's not worth worrying about' |
| 01:47.01 | Quintin | Guerin: might need 'ht=on' after grub boot. anyway it will help a test with ht off too, just to confirm things |
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| 01:47.36 | Quintin | abrotman: pnscan hangs whole system on my ht cpu. with no ht, it works as expected. |
| 01:48.03 | Quintin | I doubt it's a bad implemenation of ht, since it's Intel kit, and everything else works fine |
| 01:48.30 | iturk | Guerin: of what is saying in the website and what is saying me now maybe compilation its the only think necessary but i dont know if i should make a zip of the source code that i have now and to add it to my java.library.path |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | Quintin: dual core is different than HT |
| 01:49.04 | Quintin | abrotman: no shit? for realz?!?!??! |
| 01:49.10 | abrotman | you're on your own now |
| 01:49.21 | Quintin | abrotman: that's why I want to test on it. I also need to get a dual cpu to test too maybe |
| 01:49.33 | abrotman | don't care anymore |
| 01:49.50 | asg | abrotman: this d420 is a dual core :p |
| 01:50.02 | Quintin | thank you for your contribution of stating the obvious. this bug will soon be squashed. |
| 01:50.10 | numist | abrotman: having fun? |
| 01:50.40 | Quintin | asg: Can you try running pnscan for me? |
| 01:51.02 | bzed | iturk: building that is easy |
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| 01:51.26 | abrotman | numist: define fun |
| 01:51.26 | iturk | bzed: yes a "make" does it no problem |
| 01:51.29 | bzed | iturk: give me a seocnd |
| 01:51.34 | numist | abrotman: yeah, sounds like it |
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| 01:53.53 | bzed | iturk: oh, seems I';ve missed the makefile :D I build it on my oen now ;) |
| 01:53.53 | Guerin | hoily fuck, my muscle memory has abandoned me |
| 01:53.53 | Surferdude | does anyone here know how to configure ppp for bluetooth? |
| 01:53.53 | Guerin | either that, or my root password has changed |
| 01:53.53 | iturk | bzed: it will take some time |
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| 01:53.54 | Surferdude | i have a /dev/rfcomm0 but ppp0 doesnt seem to exist |
| 01:53.54 | bzed | iturk: about 3 sonds O_o |
| 01:53.54 | asg | Quintin: seems to run and not lock things up. Any particular options you would like me to use? |
| 01:53.54 | bzed | *seconds |
| 01:53.55 | iturk | bzed: great :D |
| 01:53.55 | Quintin | asg: no, just a regular scan.. pnscan myhost.com 1:1024 or so is what halts system. |
| 01:53.55 | bzed | iturk: well.. 9 seconds ;0 |
| 01:53.55 | Quintin | asg: what cpu you are using? pentium d or core? |
| 01:53.57 | bzed | Quintin: sounds more like buggy hardware or buggy NIC drivers |
| 01:54.12 | iturk | bzed: ;) ok! for some time that i am trying to make it work can you test it? |
| 01:54.19 | asg | Quintin: model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU U2500 @ 1.20GHz |
| 01:54.24 | Quintin | bzed: it's an intel nic. highly doubt it because of that. |
| 01:54.27 | asg | Quintin: the scan ran and completed fine |
| 01:54.28 | bzed | iturk: tell me how. it executes and give me a prompt. |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | asg: the gov't is too good to you :) |
| 01:54.56 | bzed | Quintin: they work well, indeed. which board/chipset/... do you have? |
| 01:54.57 | asg | abrotman: I saved the gov't 20k on friday finding an educational promo for a sunfire x4600 |
| 01:55.07 | iturk | bzed: could you follow the instructions of the website to run that simple example? |
| 01:55.16 | Quintin | bzed: 915.. ish. let me get box |
| 01:55.24 | Quintin | asg: cool, thanks. I'm guessing it is a HT specific issue then |
| 01:55.36 | asg | Quintin: ah, okay. |
| 01:55.38 | bzed | iturk: I'd need java for that, no better not :P |
| 01:55.41 | Quintin | bzed: D915GEV |
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| 01:55.54 | abrotman | asg: get me one! |
| 01:56.02 | iturk | bzed: yes for shore well never mind :( |
| 01:56.10 | asg | abrotman: spoopin gets one too; I'm a great boss |
| 01:56.13 | Quintin | now I just need someone with a hyperthreading cpu... |
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| 01:56.34 | abrotman | asg: the x4600 or the laptop ? |
| 01:56.35 | bzed | Quintin: hmm, which kernel do you use? |
| 01:56.40 | asg | abrotman: the laptop |
| 01:56.47 | Quintin | bzed: 2.6 |
| 01:56.48 | abrotman | Quintin: i have one! |
| 01:57.01 | Quintin | abrotman: are you volunteering? ;) |
| 01:57.03 | hamond | something wrong with debian repos? when i try the .au site i get: |
| 01:57.04 | asg | Quintin: I have one at work but I'll have to wait till tomorrow to test it since if it panics, I need to reboot it. |
| 01:57.09 | hamond | Err ftp://ftp.au.debian.org etch/main Packages |
| 01:57.10 | hamond | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.16 | abrotman | Quintin: no .. i wouldn't turn HT on .. it's a total waste |
| 01:57.16 | asg | hamond: use another mirror |
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| 01:57.42 | Quintin | abrotman: it's not a total waste. some things are a bit slower.. certain threaded apps will go 10-25% faster with it though :P |
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| 01:57.51 | asg | abrotman: 8-way dual core opterons, 32G of memory ... |
| 01:57.52 | hamond | when i try the US site, i get: Failed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 01:58.05 | Quintin | abrotman: it also just looks hot when you have 2 cpus, even if it's not two *physical* cpus |
| 01:58.05 | abrotman | Quintin: i've never seen a benchmark that supports that |
| 01:58.17 | abrotman | oh that's just stupid :) |
| 01:58.26 | Quintin | LOL |
| 01:58.29 | Quintin | yes it is. but still |
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| 01:58.36 | Quintin | I can give you such a benchmark :P |
| 01:58.43 | raf256 | when I run my desktop from kdm then all fonts are bolder then usuall, wtf? |
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| 01:59.13 | Quintin | I'm running etch install now in qemu... never used it before. Looks pretty groovy |
| 01:59.13 | asg | raf256: are they bigger also? |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | argh .. crap weather |
| 01:59.47 | Quintin | abrotman: oh? where you at? |
| 01:59.48 | raf256 | asg: no, only fatassier |
| 01:59.51 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | Quintin: philly-ish |
| 02:00.00 | asg | abrotman: I've been sick all day though |
| 02:00.04 | hamond | asg, what say ye? |
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| 02:00.14 | raf256 | asg: is it possible kdm changes antialias of fonts somehow |
| 02:00.17 | Quintin | abrotman: there was about 18" of snow on everything here in IN. it's melting now though |
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| 02:00.25 | abrotman | asg: you didn't eat enough melted cheese |
| 02:00.30 | abrotman | Quintin: you can keep it! |
| 02:00.35 | Quintin | I didn't even put on a jacket when I went to church today |
| 02:00.39 | asg | abrotman: only managed a few crackers and some soup |
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| 02:00.52 | asg | hamond: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to a pastebin |
| 02:01.07 | asg | abrotman: at least the beer is staying down |
| 02:01.10 | Mark_Iron | hi - one question zu etch .. I'm getting errors (s. below) when trying to compile under etch ... what dev-package I'm missing? |
| 02:01.11 | Mark_Iron | --- |
| 02:01.12 | Mark_Iron | mess-debian.c:26:19: error: stdio.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 02:01.12 | Mark_Iron | mess-debian.c:27:20: error: stdlib.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 02:01.12 | Mark_Iron | mess-debian.c:28:20: error: unistd.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 02:01.12 | Mark_Iron | mess-debian.c:29:23: error: sys/types.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
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| 02:01.19 | abrotman | !pal |
| 02:01.23 | asg | heh |
| 02:01.28 | Quintin | hamond: http://daecom.biz/paste/ |
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| 02:01.45 | abrotman | asg: well .. i felt the same way .. but mine was self-induced :) |
| 02:01.51 | Quintin | Mark_Iron: http://daecom.biz/paste/ |
| 02:02.01 | hamond | just one line: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 02:02.06 | raf256 | Mark_Iron: aptitude install furher |
| 02:02.18 | Mark_Iron | I have aptitude |
| 02:02.30 | raf256 | erm.. please use paster |
| 02:02.36 | asg | hamond: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib <--- see if that works |
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| 02:02.59 | Mark_Iron | gcc -o mess mess-debian.c gives me some errors .. I will paste them in few seconds |
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| 02:04.20 | Mark_Iron | some dev-packages seem NOT to be installed --- http://daecom.biz/paste/?q=25 |
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| 02:04.28 | hamond | asg, no diff. |
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| 02:04.38 | asg | hamond: and that's on running 'apt-get update'? |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | hamond: nslookup ftp.jp.debian.org |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: find the error farther up |
| 02:04.53 | hamond | hangon, i have not changed to ftp. |
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| 02:06.04 | Mark_Iron | I'm sorry abrotman .. I'm not able to follow you quite ;-/ |
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| 02:06.28 | abrotman | Mark_Iron: there's probably a real error father up |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | farther up |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | stew: how's the snow?! |
| 02:07.33 | stew | abrotman: good, looks like an inch so far |
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| 02:07.34 | stew | abrotman: you? |
| 02:07.39 | abrotman | stew: made a big mess around here .. we got a pile of sleet with it |
| 02:07.40 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: well . gcc is missing some IO-Libraries --- it's fresh etch sparc installation |
| 02:07.46 | abrotman | !b-e Mark_Iron |
| 02:07.47 | dpkg | Mark_Iron: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 02:07.59 | Mark_Iron | great ! .. tnx !!! |
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| 02:08.25 | raf256 | asg: say what - it was the fault of antialiasing/DPI! for some reason it works diffrent in one starts via kdm! |
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| 02:09.09 | Caelum | what's the command to update a debian changelog? |
| 02:09.29 | liable | update it? |
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| 02:09.37 | liable | aptitude can fetch them |
| 02:09.46 | liable | but just for viewing |
| 02:09.48 | Caelum | there was a command to add a new entry at the top of a debian/changelog |
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| 02:10.28 | justin | Caelum: dch? |
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| 02:11.21 | Mark_Iron | abrotman: now it's working ;-) .. thanks a lot ! |
| 02:11.21 | Caelum | justin: that's what I remember...but apt-file can't find it, can you tell me what package it's in? |
| 02:12.18 | Quintin | So, I'm making web frontends for some network utils. Right now I have ping, whois, and nslookup. what else should I have? |
| 02:12.21 | asg | Caelum: apt-file is your friend |
| 02:12.33 | justin | !tell Caelum about search |
| 02:12.40 | asg | Quintin: nslookup is deprecated, use host or dig |
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| 02:12.56 | liable | Quintin: tracreoute, nmap? |
| 02:12.59 | asg | Quintin: traceroute / mtr should also be considered |
| 02:13.09 | Quintin | asg: you're deprecated! I'll add those too :) |
| 02:13.14 | Quintin | asg: kk :D thanks. |
| 02:13.20 | asg | I'm an old fart, that's true |
| 02:13.40 | Quintin | liable: I was thinking traceroute.. though not sure how useful it would be since it's from my comp. I'll do it though |
| 02:13.41 | hamond | asg, looks good, i tried 3 times and they all go thro' without problem. was my earlier source list wrong? |
| 02:13.59 | hamond | asg, or is it the repo? |
| 02:14.08 | asg | hamond: could be either |
| 02:14.22 | asdf25 | does anyone know why the firefox SessionManager extension isn't working for me in etch? |
| 02:14.51 | Quintin | dig host traceroute nmap mtr |
| 02:15.09 | Guerin | does etch pam have some password-bruteforce protection? |
| 02:15.41 | Guerin | i just had to change my password because i failed it a few times, and then when I entered it *correctly* it wouldn't let me change it |
| 02:15.47 | Guerin | not etch, sorry, sid |
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| 02:16.22 | asg | Guerin: I think that's just the booze talking |
| 02:16.26 | Guerin | i wish' |
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| 02:16.46 | Guerin | i have to go pick some up from the shop, if anything it's the *lack* |
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| 02:17.32 | madd_matt | Guerin, all else fails change it in /etc/passwd |
| 02:17.39 | Guerin | madd_matt: i had to. |
| 02:17.44 | Quintin | Guerin: hax it! |
| 02:17.48 | wydd | Please, refresh my memory: what's the command to show which package a given insalled file belongs to? |
| 02:17.50 | Guerin | even passwd in init=/bin/sh wouldn't work |
| 02:17.59 | Guerin | wydd: dpkg -S |
| 02:18.02 | Quintin | Guerin: I don't *think* there is anything protecting against that. or boot singleuser without pass |
| 02:18.16 | Guerin | Quintin: yeah, wouldn't work |
| 02:18.19 | Quintin | Guerin: d'oh |
| 02:18.21 | madd_matt | Guerin, maybe you just had your password wrong :P |
| 02:18.32 | Guerin | madd_matt: no, i had it right eventually |
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| 02:18.46 | Guerin | madd_matt: i thought that, too, but I found the post-it note :) |
| 02:19.07 | raf256 | what to use to record network activity of my box and send me reports? |
| 02:19.14 | asg | raf256: ntop |
| 02:19.20 | hamond | abrotman, why do you ask me to nslookup on the jp site? |
| 02:19.21 | raf256 | simple, wrking out of the box tool for security |
| 02:19.23 | madd_matt | Guerin, my paper with all my passwords disappeared off my desk recently :P |
| 02:19.25 | Quintin | Guerin: on the monitor? or under the keyboard. |
| 02:19.32 | Guerin | Quintin: ssh! |
| 02:19.32 | wydd | Guerin, dpkg -S searches for a filename only from installed packages. I want to search the available database instead... like grepping Contents |
| 02:19.35 | abrotman | to make sure dns is working |
| 02:19.38 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | wydd: apt-file |
| 02:19.44 | raf256 | asg: I ment, one that runs as deamon and generates reports sortd by ports, hosts, security allerts |
| 02:20.01 | asg | raf256: snort |
| 02:20.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:20.16 | Guerin | careful you don't get snorted |
| 02:20.17 | raf256 | asg: it works ok out-of-the box? |
| 02:20.21 | Guerin | raf256: no. |
| 02:20.28 | raf256 | also I want to monior only my own box, not network in promisomething mode |
| 02:20.34 | braindead_moron | Sorry, I might have missed the answer, can I use dpkg or something to query the dependencies of a .deb? (not of something in the apt repository, but just of the file) |
| 02:20.35 | asg | raf256: no security tool works out of the box. They must all be tuned to your environment |
| 02:20.42 | Guerin | raf256: any non-trivial secutiy tool requires knowledge and configuration, since they're all potentially harmful. |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | braindead_moron: dpkg -I |
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| 02:21.02 | hamond | got to get back to work, bye. |
| 02:21.04 | raf256 | what is a trivial tool to monitor and generate logs about system activites |
| 02:21.05 | wydd | abrotman, Guerin, that's it, thanks a lot! |
| 02:21.10 | braindead_moron | abrotman, thanks |
| 02:21.22 | stew | raf256: syslog |
| 02:21.38 | raf256 | stew: you mean reading /var/log ? |
| 02:21.44 | Quintin | asg: mtr doesn't seem to just run and return output.. |
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| 02:21.53 | stew | that's where syslog puts the logs it generates about system activities |
| 02:21.54 | asg | raf256: or use swatch, sec, or logwatch to read them for you |
| 02:21.55 | {Nathan} | I am running a netinst of Etch and the installer always stops at 5% after it asks me what packages I want (EG Laptop, Desktop Environment, etc). Any ideas? This is my second attempt on the daily build. |
| 02:22.15 | asg | Quintin: no, it's more interactive ... you could do some web 2.0 thingy ;) |
| 02:22.24 | Guerin | {Nathan}: the daily is dfoing that now? Which day? |
| 02:22.34 | raf256 | asg: which of them would you reccomend? its a box with shell accounts, I want to monitor to where users connect and who connects to this box etc |
| 02:22.35 | {Nathan} | Guerin, I downloading it today |
| 02:22.40 | {Nathan} | downloaded* |
| 02:22.43 | Quintin | asg: barf |
| 02:22.45 | raf256 | also monitoring all dmeshg with "grsec" and "iptab_bad" in them would be nice |
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| 02:22.50 | raf256 | *all dmesh |
| 02:22.51 | raf256 | *all dmesg |
| 02:22.52 | Guerin | {Nathan}: that's irrelevant. I can download a version from 1996 tomorrow, but it'll still be from 1996 |
| 02:22.52 | asg | raf256: sec is the most powerful with the highest learning curve. The others are relatively simple |
| 02:23.26 | {Nathan} | Guerin, I downloaded the build that said it was the daily build of Etch today. That's all I can tell you. It was from debian.org. |
| 02:23.54 | Quintin | hmm |
| 02:24.04 | Quintin | qemu is at "5%" for installing software for quite along time now. |
| 02:24.06 | Quintin | vmware, here I come! |
| 02:24.11 | Guerin | {Nathan}: what I'm trying to ascertain is when it was *built* |
| 02:25.00 | {Nathan} | Guerin, probably today because it said it was the daily build |
| 02:25.12 | raf256 | Quintin: why? qemu is very nice, with kqemu |
| 02:25.17 | asg | Quintin: install the kqemu kernel module for speed |
| 02:25.22 | raf256 | Quintin: almost 50% of native speed |
| 02:25.48 | Quintin | what's the pkg name called? |
| 02:25.56 | raf256 | kqemu-* (sources?) |
| 02:26.10 | raf256 | move it to kernel source tree, make install modprobe kqemu and done |
| 02:26.17 | bzed | Quintin: http://inprotect.sourceforge.net// |
| 02:26.19 | raf256 | speaking of, how to make the /dev/kqemu to be 660 ? |
| 02:26.32 | abrotman | you shouldn't have to |
| 02:26.42 | Quintin | waaaaaahhhhhhhh. I want a package. :P |
| 02:26.49 | raf256 | 660? it is 666 but I want 660 root.qemuuser for security |
| 02:26.52 | raf256 | Quintin: no |
| 02:27.33 | raf256 | so? with udev how to set chmod of /dev/kqemu |
| 02:27.50 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 02:27.51 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 02:27.53 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:27.53 | Quintin | bzed: thanks, I'm looking at that now |
| 02:28.03 | raf256 | neat |
| 02:28.06 | raf256 | !raf256 rulez |
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| 02:28.11 | raf256 | :( |
| 02:28.16 | Quintin | !lose raf256 |
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| 02:28.17 | dpkg | raf256: You Lose. |
| 02:28.22 | liable | http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ |
| 02:28.23 | Caelum | kqemu for linux or windows? |
| 02:28.32 | raf256 | kqemu for ever |
| 02:28.41 | Quintin | omg |
| 02:28.42 | Quintin | FUCK YES |
| 02:28.46 | Quintin | WHY DID I NOT CODE THAT |
| 02:28.46 | raf256 | omg Im so emo |
| 02:28.49 | bzed | Quintin: http://nmap-cgi.tuxfamily.org/ |
| 02:28.51 | Quintin | I order from papajohns.com all the time |
| 02:29.08 | abrotman | liable: i need one for papa john's please! |
| 02:29.10 | Quintin | that is the shit. does it worK? can you input coupon codes? |
| 02:29.14 | Quintin | bzed: kewl. I'll check that one too |
| 02:29.20 | Quintin | abrotman: papa johns? pwn! |
| 02:29.21 | raf256 | !bitchslap author of logwatch docs |
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| 02:29.36 | Caelum | what's the most popular linux virtualization software now? I rather like colinux |
| 02:29.43 | raf256 | Caelum: I think qemu |
| 02:29.52 | raf256 | it works well and have nice #qemu community ehre |
| 02:29.52 | asg | Caelum: depends on what you want to virtualize and in what way. |
| 02:29.56 | EricBlade | helllllllllllllppppppppp :D i just booted Etch up after having used windows for the last week or two, and X refuses to operate |
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| 02:30.02 | Caelum | colinux uses qemu |
| 02:30.07 | raf256 | EricBlade: it is punishment |
| 02:30.19 | raf256 | Caelum: so whats wrong with qemu |
| 02:30.24 | EricBlade | raf256: for what, avoiding these hideous shells? |
| 02:30.28 | Caelum | nothing... just wondering |
| 02:30.43 | raf256 | speaking of |
| 02:30.51 | raf256 | is there any ncurses desktop manager? |
| 02:31.03 | Guerin | raf256: wtf? |
| 02:31.04 | raf256 | something like screen, with windows and clock |
| 02:31.06 | EricBlade | seriously, i've got no errors in the logs, or anything. it just stops. no signals, no errors, nothin |
| 02:31.07 | Guerin | what would be the point? |
| 02:31.16 | asg | desqview |
| 02:31.20 | liable | raf256: mc is the closest sort of thing |
| 02:31.21 | Guerin | EricBlade: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 02:31.27 | raf256 | Guerin: imagin like screen, but you can have windows like split them |
| 02:31.33 | raf256 | asg: desqview? |
| 02:31.38 | Guerin | raf256: what, like screen(1)? |
| 02:31.53 | raf256 | Guerin: can I have a clock @ bottom line? |
| 02:31.59 | asg | raf256: that was a jike |
| 02:32.00 | Guerin | raf256: you have my permission |
| 02:32.02 | asg | *joke |
| 02:32.08 | Caelum | yeah, you can have an always visible status line in screen... |
| 02:32.11 | raf256 | Guerin: is that doable? |
| 02:32.17 | Guerin | i have a nifty toolbar which tells me which window I'm on and shit |
| 02:32.18 | unlink | where can i get a document on the exact semantics of file mode on linux? (to answer questions like: what does the sticky bit do on sockets? what does the significance of a setgid directory?) |
| 02:32.21 | stew | you'll have to get emm386 working before ou can use desqview though |
| 02:32.28 | asg | hehe |
| 02:32.28 | Guerin | it's very useful when neting screens within screens |
| 02:32.33 | raf256 | Guerin: shere the config \o/ |
| 02:32.41 | unlink | man 1 chmod isn't enough |
| 02:32.41 | Caelum | I just press ctrl+a-w to see what screen I'm in |
| 02:33.05 | asg | unlink: /msg dpkg permissions |
| 02:33.11 | Guerin | raf256: caption always "$LOGNAME@%H %-Lw%{kW}%50>%{Wk}%n%f* %t%{-}%+Lw%<%{- kW}" |
| 02:33.15 | raf256 | how to connect to other persons running screen to see what he is doing? (I can log into his user if needed) |
| 02:33.18 | Guerin | raf256: in .screenrc |
| 02:33.27 | raf256 | Guerin: add that line there? ok |
| 02:33.35 | archville | I know this is not really Debian-related but anyone kows do to compare two files line by line ? |
| 02:33.36 | Guerin | raf256: man screen |
| 02:33.42 | Guerin | archville: diff |
| 02:33.47 | archville | Guerin, thx |
| 02:33.54 | raf256 | or kdiff |
| 02:34.37 | raf256 | admn |
| 02:34.39 | raf256 | damn |
| 02:34.48 | raf256 | linux devels should learn how to write user friendly docs |
| 02:35.10 | EricBlade | maybe after doing an apt-get upgrade, it'll work again |
| 02:35.10 | Quintin | bzed: nessus is taking 20mB of my disk! ohnoz :s |
| 02:35.11 | karsten | raf256: Or covering all bases: Damn Adam! |
| 02:35.11 | asg | Quintin: only 20? |
| 02:35.14 | Quintin | asg: yea |
| 02:35.21 | Quintin | asg: I have 512 to work with |
| 02:35.29 | asg | Quintin: it took close to 90 on sid the other day |
| 02:35.31 | karsten | Quintin: 512 what? |
| 02:35.38 | bzed | MB? |
| 02:35.48 | Quintin | MB |
| 02:35.50 | Quintin | for / |
| 02:35.58 | Caelum | that's insane |
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| 02:36.25 | Quintin | shrug |
| 02:36.31 | Quintin | total on the machine.. hmm. |
| 02:36.34 | Quintin | sshfs#root@daecom.biz:/ 7.5T 0 7.5T 0% /home/quintin/Desktop/daecom.biz |
| 02:36.38 | karsten | Quintin: What are you doing / building for? |
| 02:36.40 | Quintin | 7,5 TB looks like |
| 02:36.53 | Quintin | karsten: it's just a network server |
| 02:36.57 | raf256 | thoes existing log watch totally suck uss |
| 02:36.59 | Quintin | asg: hmm |
| 02:36.59 | raf256 | *ass |
| 02:37.07 | karsten | Quintin: What are you trying to put on it? |
| 02:37.20 | Quintin | karsten: right now? nmap and nessus |
| 02:37.27 | karsten | Quintin: With that little space for local storage, I'd be looking at netboot / networked filesystem configurations. |
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| 02:37.43 | karsten | Quintin: You're going to have trouble just dealing with package lists. |
| 02:37.44 | raf256 | jesus |
| 02:38.08 | asg | raf256: karsten is already here |
| 02:38.11 | Quintin | karsten: there is a lot of local storage. just small / |
| 02:38.31 | karsten | asg: I can come again if you'd like ;-) |
| 02:38.38 | asg | haha |
| 02:38.39 | karsten | Quintin: OK. |
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| 02:38.56 | raf256 | ..and names him vista |
| 02:39.04 | netsrak | raf256: You called? |
| 02:39.16 | EricBlade | aha, there's a pretty nasty problem. X is putting hte monitor into "720X320" res |
| 02:39.18 | EricBlade | wtf is that |
| 02:39.30 | Guerin | EricBlade: that's a broken x config |
| 02:39.36 | EricBlade | it worked a week ago, no changes |
| 02:39.37 | karsten | Quintin: /msg dpkg partitioning howto. |
| 02:39.41 | Quintin | bzed: looks like I need some CPAN modules and stuff... setting up that stuff now |
| 02:39.42 | Guerin | still, no reason your monitor should barf on it |
| 02:39.47 | tuxie_ | hi all, how can I boot a shell with lilo? I can't boot my debian so I need access to a shell |
| 02:39.50 | Quintin | karsten: uh, I know how to partition a disk, thanks. |
| 02:39.51 | EricBlade | the monitor isn't, the video card isn't outputting anything in it |
| 02:40.05 | raf256 | how to see history who was logged into the machine? |
| 02:40.07 | Guerin | mm, funky |
| 02:40.13 | Quintin | raf256: lastlog |
| 02:40.19 | Guerin | raf256: auth.log too |
| 02:40.29 | karsten | Quintin: Server's down: http://tinyurl.com/243h77 (Google cache) |
| 02:40.43 | EricBlade | back in the day we used to have "xf86config" .. what's it's equivalent now? |
| 02:40.43 | karsten | Quintin: Gives you a rough idea as to how much space you need minimally. |
| 02:40.56 | karsten | !drxx EricBlade |
| 02:40.57 | dpkg | EricBlade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 02:41.29 | raf256 | how to check which programs there where using? |
| 02:41.36 | Quintin | EricBlade: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 02:41.38 | karsten | raf256: ?? |
| 02:41.41 | raf256 | how to allow user FOO only to run programs BARF and BAZ |
| 02:41.42 | Guerin | raf256: read their bas history |
| 02:41.48 | Guerin | raf256: you don't |
| 02:41.51 | raf256 | Guerin: it can be forged or deleted |
| 02:41.53 | Guerin | raf256: that way lies madness |
| 02:41.53 | raf256 | Guerin: I need to |
| 02:41.54 | karsten | raf256: chroot install, rsh |
| 02:42.05 | karsten | raf256: Where that's restricted shell, not remote. |
| 02:42.16 | Guerin | raf256: you probably need to learn about selinux and/or grsec |
| 02:42.22 | Quintin | raf256: chroot |
| 02:42.23 | Guerin | raf256: this is not a debian question |
| 02:42.24 | raf256 | karsten: rsh allows me to state exacly which programs users are allowed to run? |
| 02:42.26 | karsten | raf256: rbash, not rsh. |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | he could do ACLs :) |
| 02:42.28 | raf256 | Guerin: Im learning grsec |
| 02:42.29 | Guerin | chroot doesn't do that |
| 02:42.37 | karsten | raf256: You define the path, they can't change it or local directory. |
| 02:42.40 | karsten | raf256: Yes. |
| 02:42.47 | karsten | raf256: man rbash |
| 02:42.51 | Cholito | i made this question a couple of hours ago but I didn't got any answer or hint so I'll ask again, maybe any of you can help me ;) |
| 02:42.52 | EricBlade | bah, Windows can operate my monitor at 1600x1200, X won't even detect it |
| 02:42.59 | Guerin | EricBlade: so tell it |
| 02:43.02 | raf256 | so I just install rsh, then set it as theirshell? |
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| 02:43.10 | karsten | raf256: No, it's a bash feature. |
| 02:43.10 | Cholito | somehow I get disconnected every X minutes (from5 to 120+) and I have no idea why. Does anyone have an idea where should I start? =/ |
| 02:43.18 | Guerin | raf256: it seems like you think this is simple. It's not. |
| 02:43.26 | EricBlade | guerin: yeah, then it blows up |
| 02:43.31 | Guerin | Cholito: did you call your ISP yet? If not, do so now. |
| 02:43.37 | raf256 | karsten: what exacly to do: user foo can only run application bar1 bar2 bar3 |
| 02:43.41 | Guerin | EricBlade: :) |
| 02:43.42 | Cholito | it only happens when using Linux...there is no such problem in Windows |
| 02:43.49 | karsten | raf256: chsh -s /bin/rbash <user> |
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| 02:43.54 | Cholito | Guerin, they don't give Linux support... |
| 02:43.56 | Guerin | Cholito: so you said. This is irrelevant. |
| 02:44.06 | Cholito | *what* is irrelevant |
| 02:44.07 | Guerin | Cholito: they might have information about why the link died. |
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| 02:44.18 | Guerin | Cholito: that it only happens on linux. |
| 02:44.19 | raf256 | karsten: and where do I configure the "bar1 bar2 bar3"? |
| 02:44.30 | karsten | raf256: Define the user shell. Set $PATH to a desired value. Put the programs you want them to run in that path. Make .bashrc and .bash_login read-only to them and owned by another user (or root). |
| 02:44.38 | karsten | raf256: RTFM |
| 02:45.09 | Cholito | Guerin, what does it mean? =/ |
| 02:45.15 | Guerin | Cholito: ... |
| 02:45.16 | raf256 | so like... PATH=`which bar1`:`which bar2`:`which bar3` ? |
| 02:45.26 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:45.27 | EricBlade | sweet looks like every time I boot, I'll need to re-configure the X.org packages, and re-install the Nvidia drivers |
| 02:45.33 | Guerin | no, that's *retarded* |
| 02:45.36 | karsten | raf256: man rbash. Read. Then ask intelligent questions. |
| 02:45.42 | karsten | EricBlade: Nope. |
| 02:45.45 | Guerin | karsten: don't hold out. |
| 02:45.51 | Guerin | karsten: hope, I mean. |
| 02:45.57 | EricBlade | karsten: you say that now, but that's the way it seems to be working |
| 02:46.02 | cokeslut | hey |
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| 02:46.19 | karsten | Cholito: ~/.xsession-errors, /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:46.33 | Cholito | ? |
| 02:46.50 | larsl | What do I need to add in /etc/sudoers to allow a specific user to run 'tail -f /var/log/messages' and see the output? |
| 02:46.56 | cokeslut | out of interest |
| 02:46.56 | karsten | EricBlade: If you could tell us what's changed and give some inkling why we might have more to go on. |
| 02:46.58 | Guerin | larsl: man sudoers |
| 02:47.19 | karsten | Cholito: Where to look for why X disconnected. |
| 02:47.35 | Cholito | karsten, is not X it's my connection |
| 02:47.40 | raf256 | karsten: ok I read entire man page |
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| 02:47.53 | raf256 | still it seems PATH=`which bar1`:`which bar2`:`which bar3` is the way to go |
| 02:47.54 | larsl | Guerin: I've read that, and it seems to let me run it, but I can't see any output and it exits immediately even with -f. |
| 02:48.06 | karsten | raf256: Nope. |
| 02:48.17 | abrotman | raf256: that wouldn't work |
| 02:48.23 | karsten | raf256: Your PATH definess a directory from which *ANY* executable can be run. |
| 02:48.36 | karsten | raf256: A path *can't* be a full-path-to-a-file. |
| 02:48.36 | raf256 | if I dont hant to by hand create some funku /usr/bar and cp files there - which is retarded becasue I have to remember about updating it after aptitude upgrade |
| 02:48.39 | ben1756 | question: in the case that the initial ramdisk on a system has an incorrect configuration option in it, is it possible to make the change so that it persists in the image (maybe remove 'ro' from the supplied kernel options)? |
| 02:48.49 | karsten | raf256: mkdir /usr/local/restricted-path |
| 02:49.11 | karsten | raf256: ln -s /bin/foo /bin/bar /bin/baz /usr/local/restricted-path |
| 02:49.12 | raf256 | karsten: and update that by hand after upgrading software? not very comfortable... or can thoes be symlinks |
| 02:49.15 | raf256 | oh ok |
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| 02:49.55 | wydd | make[3]: nonet: Command not found ... what is nonet? |
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| 02:49.58 | karsten | raf256: echo "PATH=/usr/local/restricted-path" > /home/restricted-user/.bashrc; chown root.root /home/restricted-user/.bashrc; chmod 644 /home/restricted-user/.bashrc |
| 02:50.00 | raf256 | what command is "execured" when using fish protocol? |
| 02:50.08 | raf256 | thanks karsten |
| 02:50.30 | karsten | wydd: What makefile? What are you building? |
| 02:50.34 | raf256 | what commad is executed inside shell when ssh is used to transfer files? |
| 02:50.52 | Guerin | raf256: ssh isn't used to transfer files |
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| 02:51.01 | karsten | Guerin: It can be. |
| 02:51.02 | raf256 | Guerin: strange I use it to |
| 02:51.08 | karsten | Guerin: fish == file transfer over ssh |
| 02:51.10 | asg | raf256: cat file | ssh me@foo 'cat - > file' |
| 02:51.11 | wydd | pilot-link |
| 02:51.12 | Guerin | karsten: it *can* be but there's no `standard command' |
| 02:51.18 | bzed | n8n8 4am again :( |
| 02:51.24 | wydd | karsten, pilot-link |
| 02:51.30 | raf256 | karsten: what program is executed in ssh when using fish protocol? |
| 02:51.33 | stew | s/-// |
| 02:51.36 | abrotman | !tell EricBlade about root |
| 02:51.44 | karsten | raf256: strace <whatever's using fish> |
| 02:51.54 | karsten | wydd: RTFMF |
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| 02:52.20 | karsten | !rtfmf |
| 02:52.20 | dpkg | it has been said that rtfmf is read the fine makefile |
| 02:52.31 | EricBlade | that's bullshit, re: root as irc |
| 02:52.38 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 02:52.42 | EricBlade | yeah, it is |
| 02:52.47 | Guerin | EricBlade: wtf |
| 02:52.56 | wydd | dpkg, karsten oh, I'd never thought I was going to hear that |
| 02:52.59 | raf256 | EricBlade: wtf do you irc as root |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | fine .. go irc as root on a server where there are dishonest people and see how long it takes for them to own your box |
| 02:53.05 | karsten | EricBlade: Your choice, our ignore. |
| 02:53.09 | EricBlade | because i happened to be logged in as root |
| 02:53.17 | karsten | !tell EricBlade about su |
| 02:53.21 | EricBlade | you know what, i've been doing this longer than ALL of you |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | windows user! |
| 02:53.22 | karsten | !tell EricBlade about root |
| 02:53.23 | raf256 | EricBlade: are you mentally challanged? |
| 02:53.24 | Guerin | EricBlade: we don't want to receive spam from you because you got rooted by an irc client |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | EricBlade: that doesn't make you right |
| 02:53.40 | karsten | Guerin: abrotman: /ignore |
| 02:53.40 | EricBlade | What the fuck ever |
| 02:53.40 | raf256 | EricBlade: even better do use sux not su IMHO |
| 02:54.08 | raf256 | and ppl say _I_ am unfriendly |
| 02:54.10 | markybob | abrotman, aww...you hurt his feelings, man |
| 02:54.15 | braindead_moron | ok, everyone wish me luck, the equivs package is in place as is the emporer linux kernel, i guess we shall see if this POS boots! |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | markybob: wtf are feelings ? |
| 02:54.23 | Guerin | !bless braindead_moron |
| 02:54.23 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child braindead_moron, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 02:54.30 | karsten | EricBlade: You're welcome to behave as you want. Google "principle of least privilege" and understand that if you annoy the regulars you're really cutting down your odds. |
| 02:54.41 | asg | abrotman: activate your emotion chip you clod |
| 02:54.46 | EricBlade | Maybe the regulars need a vacation then |
| 02:54.56 | Guerin | !fix EricBlade |
| 02:55.20 | abrotman | asg: will i stop using contractions too ? |
| 02:55.32 | raf256 | actually EricBlade is right you need vacation, give me op and go enjoj yourselfs |
| 02:55.37 | Guerin | EricBlade: i don't see how doing something very stupid makes US the ones with the problem. |
| 02:55.39 | ben1756 | if a system cannot boot and is trapped in the initial ramdisk (i.e. root filesystem cannot be mounted) is it possible to make persistent changes to that image while in Busybox- in this case? |
| 02:55.41 | asg | abrotman: or start having them |
| 02:55.42 | raf256 | s/joj/joy |
| 02:55.48 | karsten | ben1756: No. |
| 02:55.50 | zophy__ | what do i use to take a screenshot ? |
| 02:55.51 | abrotman | asg: hehe |
| 02:55.56 | abrotman | !ss |
| 02:55.56 | dpkg | methinks ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 02:56.04 | karsten | ben1756: However you might be able to dig yourself out of the hole you're in. |
| 02:56.12 | EricBlade | If an IRC program can allow someone to control it, then there's a problem with that IRC program |
| 02:56.21 | ben1756 | I can install a cd-rom and boot using a livecd and mount/change it- I know. |
| 02:56.34 | karsten | ben1756: If you can get some persistent storage mounted, you can save your changes. |
| 02:56.37 | Guerin | EricBlade: same can be said of anything. Should we all be root permanently on the presumption that our software is flawless? |
| 02:56.40 | asg | EricBlade: yes, all programs have bugs. Why risk it by running them as root when there is absolutely no reason to do so? |
| 02:56.41 | stew | EricBlade: yes, there have been several such problems in the past, which is why we discourage people from using them as root. please just move on |
| 02:56.42 | karsten | Guerin: Drop it. |
| 02:57.12 | karsten | Ouch! |
| 02:57.14 | EricBlade | I'm just pissed because I logged in as root, unintentionally, and received 4 entire PAGES of warnings from people |
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| 02:57.27 | Quintin | *my* software *is* flawless. |
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| 02:57.33 | Guerin | EricBlade: the system is working - you won't do that again in a hurry ;) |
| 02:57.40 | raf256 | Quintin: how much for the helloworld? |
| 02:57.42 | Guerin | Quintin: DJB, is that you? |
| 02:57.46 | ben1756 | karsten: I'm not sure I follow. I can mount storage from within the filesystem and even chroot into the target root filesystem, but I don't understand how that you 'dig me out of this hole' |
| 02:57.50 | asg | Guerin: haha |
| 02:58.04 | ben1756 | *how that would |
| 02:58.07 | EricBlade | so, anyway, does GDM use a different Xorg config than startx ? |
| 02:58.15 | abrotman | no |
| 02:58.20 | Quintin | raf256: you want to license it? $995 for 1-user license with five years of updates to new versions. |
| 02:58.22 | Guerin | EricBlade: shouldn't do, but it's possible to configure it so |
| 02:58.30 | EricBlade | GDM is running me at 720x320, which isn't valid |
| 02:58.34 | markybob | abrotman, someone who's done this much longer than all of us doesnt know that? |
| 02:58.43 | karsten | ben1756: If you can solve your problem, *and* make the appropriate changes to a copy of your initrd, *and* same the to disk *and* boot your system fully, *and* update the _source_ initrd image ... you've dug yourself out of your hole. |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | markybob: is that sarcasm i smell ? |
| 02:58.51 | markybob | :) |
| 02:59.01 | EricBlade | i fixed it for startx, but then i did a telinit 1 telinit 22, and it started doing it again |
| 02:59.08 | Quintin | karsten: should only take 30m, I should think.. |
| 02:59.10 | karsten | ben1756: What you're running right now, though, is an in-memory instance of a filesystem which is stored on a disk you likely can't access. |
| 02:59.15 | Guerin | wow, what does runlevel 22 do? |
| 02:59.18 | abrotman | EricBlade: how did you install your nvidia drivers ? |
| 02:59.25 | asg | Guerin: takes your system to 11 |
| 02:59.25 | karsten | Guerin: It goes to 11, twice. |
| 02:59.27 | EricBlade | using the nvidia install program |
| 02:59.30 | Guerin | 00 |
| 02:59.33 | Guerin | nifty |
| 02:59.34 | ben1756 | karsten: thank you I understand. |
| 02:59.36 | EricBlade | bah, it's something that init is doing |
| 02:59.45 | abrotman | it's those crappy nvidia drivers :) |
| 02:59.52 | abrotman | and your non-debian installation method |
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| 03:00.16 | ben1756 | karsten: I can remount /boot, mount the image on loopback, make changes, and reboot |
| 03:00.25 | raf256 | I use nvidia install program, it works well |
| 03:00.32 | Guerin | fsvo works |
| 03:00.39 | EricBlade | abrotman, let's consider that the community-written NV drivers don't function at all |
| 03:00.47 | abrotman | that's nice ... |
| 03:00.50 | Guerin | EricBlade: sure they do |
| 03:00.52 | ben1756 | karsten: that can be done right? |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | i wasn't commenting on the nv driver |
| 03:00.54 | raf256 | open source NV drivers sucks cocks totally |
| 03:01.01 | raf256 | Guerin: are you kidding? they are some joke |
| 03:01.03 | karsten | ben1756: Depends on what your initrd image is. If it's cramfs, yes, I think, *if* write is supported (may be read-only). If it's the new gzip'd ar/cpio image, you've got a few more steps. |
| 03:01.08 | abrotman | no .. nvidia sucks .. |
| 03:01.09 | Guerin | EricBlade: they work much better than the proprietary drivers, in ther sense that they don't randomly crash your box hard |
| 03:01.10 | raf256 | they work about x10 slower |
| 03:01.12 | markybob | wow. you silly people and your assumptions |
| 03:01.15 | raf256 | and NO 3D MODE AT ALL! |
| 03:01.16 | markybob | ;) |
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| 03:01.23 | markybob | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:01.24 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | raf256: they do have 3d mode |
| 03:01.27 | Guerin | raf256: if you want games, buy a wii |
| 03:01.33 | raf256 | Guerin: lol |
| 03:01.52 | raf256 | oss nv driver is crap-slow. |
| 03:02.00 | Guerin | raf256: i believe in using the right tool for the job - nvidia's crap isn't the right tool. |
| 03:02.05 | raf256 | while nvidia.com one works well and like x10 fasster |
| 03:02.15 | raf256 | Guerin: why exacly? |
| 03:02.18 | EricBlade | the above ^^ line also fails miserably, which is why i use the nvidia install program |
| 03:02.27 | abrotman | fails HOW? |
| 03:02.29 | Guerin | except it has remote exploits in and randomly crashes your shit |
| 03:02.31 | markybob | well. that was detailed |
| 03:02.37 | raf256 | Guerin: nvidia.com: fast and works well ; oss: slow and works well |
| 03:02.48 | raf256 | Guerin: and it eat babies! hole was fixed long ago |
| 03:02.54 | EricBlade | well, i'd copy and paste it to try it again to give an accurate description, except there is no console mouse driver |
| 03:02.57 | raf256 | like 2 months |
| 03:03.01 | tarcisio | portugues? |
| 03:03.04 | abrotman | !pastewithoutx |
| 03:03.04 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is, like, you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
| 03:03.05 | abrotman | !br |
| 03:03.05 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:03.16 | EricBlade | i have gpm, gpm in etch = no work |
| 03:03.24 | Guerin | raf256: the point is that there's no way of knowing thrre ain't another |
| 03:03.26 | raf256 | as much as I like OSS, the OSS nv is just crap for any 3d purpose |
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| 03:03.36 | abrotman | raf256: mine works fine! |
| 03:03.41 | raf256 | abrotman: 3d? |
| 03:03.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:03.49 | markybob | people have forgotten how to use the pen and paper |
| 03:03.51 | Guerin | if you're in serious need of 3d under free software, you probably need to buy a supported ati |
| 03:03.57 | EricBlade | scrolls way too fast |
| 03:04.07 | raf256 | abrotman: aptitude install amoeba and tell me if 1600x1200 mode funs smooth |
| 03:04.07 | karsten | raf256: Yeah, we heard you twice the first time ... |
| 03:04.12 | abrotman | EricBlade: you've been doing this a while .. you should know how to redirect output |
| 03:04.16 | EricBlade | guerin: the ATI drivers are way worse |
| 03:04.21 | karsten | raf256: ... four times the second, 8 the third, 16 the fourth .... |
| 03:04.25 | abrotman | raf256: i'm on the laptop .. screen doesn't go that high |
| 03:04.39 | raf256 | well even if 800x600 work well |
| 03:04.44 | raf256 | then I might afree its not totally crap |
| 03:04.46 | Guerin | EricBlade: only the proprietary ones. I'm not talking about those; I'm talking about the radeon drivers which are good (pre-9250 or whatever) |
| 03:04.53 | Guerin | EricBlade: or the intel drivers. |
| 03:05.04 | Guerin | but again, if you want to play games, buy a fucking console |
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| 03:05.16 | raf256 | Guerin: stupid attitude |
| 03:05.22 | raf256 | there are native doom3 and more |
| 03:05.26 | raf256 | lets support thoes games |
| 03:05.26 | abrotman | nvidia has a stupid attitude :) |
| 03:05.38 | raf256 | abrotman: yes, but that doesnt change the facts |
| 03:05.40 | EricBlade | as well as wine's ability to run stuff |
| 03:05.50 | markybob | abrotman, eh. i'm not entirely sure. i'm not sure that they could release it even if they wanted to |
| 03:05.53 | raf256 | ouch my eye |
| 03:06.11 | abrotman | markybob: they have made enough money .. they could buy the IP they don't own :) |
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| 03:06.23 | Guerin | they could probably buy all of SGI |
| 03:06.31 | EricBlade | immediatly after running the NV install program, it works. The next run, it doesn't |
| 03:06.45 | markybob | abrotman, eh, maybe. hard to say without knowing what's theirs and what's not :) |
| 03:06.46 | dvs | EricBlade: what do you mean by "the next run"? |
| 03:06.46 | raf256 | EricBlade: perhaps someone owned your irc root |
| 03:06.49 | Guerin | EricBlade: solution: don't use the nvidia install program, it's clearly fucking shit. |
| 03:07.05 | dvs | Guerin: is that a scientific term? ;-) |
| 03:07.06 | Guerin | EricBlade: and in any case, not a #debian issue. |
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| 03:07.20 | abrotman | markybob: they could at least try damn it! |
| 03:07.21 | Guerin | dvs: yes, very well known it is too. |
| 03:07.24 | dvs | heh |
| 03:07.29 | EricBlade | it is running in debian |
| 03:07.38 | EricBlade | and, it's not the fault of the drivers |
| 03:07.39 | abrotman | you won't install the drivers using the debian method |
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| 03:07.43 | Guerin | EricBlade: it's a black-box. We don't support it. |
| 03:07.45 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 03:08.05 | raf256 | there was some action |
| 03:08.07 | EricBlade | no, it's not, because debian is overwriting the xorg.conf with bad info |
| 03:08.10 | Guerin | it's schrödinger's driver! |
| 03:08.14 | raf256 | that 1000 ppl pay 10 bucks or something |
| 03:08.25 | raf256 | to open nv |
| 03:08.27 | Guerin | how do you know it's not crap? as soon as you install it it's crap! |
| 03:08.28 | asg | Guerin: the cat popped out for a bite? |
| 03:08.30 | karsten | raf256: WRT fish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Files_transferrer_over_shell_protocol |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | nv is open |
| 03:08.45 | raf256 | nvidia's one |
| 03:09.00 | Guerin | raf256: that buys a month of time for two qualified devs. Enough to maybe write a brief spec. |
| 03:09.21 | Guerin | raf256: multiply it by another couple orders of magnitude and you might be cooking - oh, there's nouveau! |
| 03:09.41 | abrotman | !kikismite Guerin |
| 03:09.46 | EricBlade | sweet, as soon as I run telinit to change the runlevel, so GDM will work, it re-writes my xorg.conf with bad info |
| 03:09.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:10.05 | Guerin | EricBlade: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 03:10.12 | raf256 | Guerin: wtf |
| 03:10.16 | Guerin | EricBlade: if you can replicate this with another driver, file a bug. |
| 03:10.20 | stew | EricBlade: debian won't overwrite your xorg.conf unless you explicitly ask it to |
| 03:10.21 | raf256 | Guerin: the nvidia linux driver is open - simply release it |
| 03:10.30 | raf256 | Guerin: the nvidia linux driver is ready - simply release it |
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| 03:10.40 | Guerin | raf256: it's not open at all. It's under very heavy lock and key from SGI. |
| 03:10.53 | raf256 | well, lets give $ to SGI |
| 03:10.53 | EricBlade | There's an SGI still? |
| 03:10.56 | stew | EricBlade: the problem you are describing comes up here every day from people that used the nvidia installer instead of using the debian tools to install the nvidia software |
| 03:11.23 | karsten | EricBlade: If your xorg.conf is being rewritten via init, check your inittab for funkiness. |
| 03:11.28 | raf256 | last time I used open 'nv' driver, any 3d application refused to start |
| 03:11.29 | Guerin | EricBlade: sure, they were the tool of choice for george lucas last I checked. |
| 03:12.06 | raf256 | how to use 3d (opengl) in 'nv' driver |
| 03:12.23 | zealot | nv? |
| 03:12.28 | Dewi | Guerin: there's still a george lucas?!? |
| 03:12.29 | Guerin | !nofp |
| 03:12.29 | dpkg | from memory, nofp is Not Our Fucking Problem |
| 03:12.34 | stew | raf256: just like you would with any other driver. it just won't be accellerated |
| 03:12.35 | dvs | Dewi: heh |
| 03:12.36 | Guerin | raf256: ↑ |
| 03:12.41 | karsten | Guerin: Apparently Solaris and Linux: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/sad/275132362.html |
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| 03:12.43 | abrotman | raf256: depends on the card |
| 03:12.47 | raf256 | stew: no, they dont start at all |
| 03:12.55 | raf256 | abrotman: 5600 fx |
| 03:13.01 | raf256 | or 5200 was it |
| 03:13.26 | zealot | raf256, my old fx5200 got 3100fps in glxgears |
| 03:13.30 | Guerin | karsten: iirc they still have a big server farm too |
| 03:13.47 | Guerin | a guy i knew came from there and worked on LoTR |
| 03:14.00 | zealot | raf256, and you? |
| 03:14.42 | raf256 | how to tell it to show fps |
| 03:14.45 | Quintin | .... |
| 03:14.48 | zealot | ... |
| 03:14.52 | Quintin | GLXGEARS IS NOT A FUCKING BENCHMARK |
| 03:14.56 | Quintin | thanks! |
| 03:14.57 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:15.06 | raf256 | awesome but zealot asked me |
| 03:15.11 | raf256 | zealot: so how to see fps |
| 03:15.15 | karsten | Guerin: They're not hiring for SGI these days. Indy's just about completely dead. http://www.lucasfilm.com/employment/jobs/lcl/job20070208.html |
| 03:15.21 | Quintin | -printfps, you sicko. |
| 03:15.34 | Guerin | so all sgi has left is XFS... |
| 03:15.37 | raf256 | 10654 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2130.708 FPS |
| 03:15.48 | karsten | Guerin: SGI is Linux these days... |
| 03:15.49 | zealot | so slow |
| 03:15.57 | Quintin | I get about 16k fps |
| 03:16.02 | raf256 | wtf |
| 03:16.07 | Quintin | Guess what, it doesn't mean *shit*. |
| 03:16.09 | Guerin | i get real-time |
| 03:16.10 | zealot | no cheating, man |
| 03:16.16 | karsten | Guerin: http://www.sgi.com/products/ |
| 03:16.17 | Guerin | that's way more FPS than you |
| 03:16.33 | raf256 | is there a opengl benchmark? |
| 03:16.34 | zealot | did you use a 1-dot window? |
| 03:16.49 | gravity | SGI still has bankrupcy. That's got to count for something. |
| 03:17.07 | zealot | raf256, of course not, but it's still interesting |
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| 03:17.16 | abrotman | yes there is-ish |
| 03:17.27 | raf256 | is there some benchmark tool then |
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| 03:17.42 | Guerin | raf256: yeah, it's called whydoyoufuckingcare |
| 03:17.56 | zealot | is SGI still alive? |
| 03:17.57 | raf256 | bash: whydoyoufuckingcare: command not found |
| 03:18.03 | Quintin | ... |
| 03:18.16 | abrotman | zealot: life support |
| 03:18.16 | raf256 | oh wait I forgot to apt-get install it first |
| 03:18.49 | raf256 | $ whydoyoufuckingcare whydoyoufuckingcare v 1.2 - Guerin likes little boys |
| 03:20.33 | zealot | caniaskwhatyouaretalkingabout? |
| 03:20.33 | zealot | -_- |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | raf256: what the hell is wrong with you? |
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| 03:22.09 | bradel | vnc problem. i can get into the 'sheel |
| 03:22.27 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:22.37 | asg | I'm drawing a blank on that one |
| 03:22.52 | bradel | vnc problem. i can get into the 'shell' screen of a remote machine but when i try to startkde, i get 'Failed to start kdeinit'. |
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| 03:23.26 | raf256 | bradel: wtf? use vnc to connect to running X server |
| 03:23.31 | raf256 | * X session even |
| 03:23.52 | raf256 | use vncsomething on the target desktop and vncviewer on client |
| 03:23.55 | bradel | raf256: you a newbie? |
| 03:24.09 | raf256 | bradel: lol yes omg why |
| 03:24.29 | bradel | raf256: know what vnc stands for? |
| 03:25.08 | raf256 | Virtual Network Computing and? |
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| 03:25.59 | raf256 | zealot: wtf? |
| 03:26.15 | bradel | that remote machine can run kde. i have started vnc4server on the remote machine and then i started xvnc4viewer on a local machine and i want to access the remote machine, in kde. anything wrong with that? |
| 03:26.43 | raf256 | bradel: why the hell you start kde when connected? |
| 03:26.53 | raf256 | 1. startkde 2. start vnc server 3. start viewer |
| 03:27.07 | bradel | raf256: why would anyone want to use kde? |
| 03:27.24 | raf256 | you just said that |
| 03:27.26 | raf256 | " but when i try to startkde, i get 'Failed to start kdeinit'." |
| 03:27.31 | markybob | this is very entertaining. much better than the oscars. |
| 03:27.40 | raf256 | bradel: are you high? |
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| 03:27.58 | Quintin | woo, found a use for all my old banking books |
| 03:28.06 | Quintin | propped up my monitor so it is at proper height :D |
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| 03:28.21 | bradel | raf256: maybe i should mention the obvious too. i have of course started kde in the remote machine. |
| 03:28.46 | raf256 | bradel: so why are you tring to start "startkde" again? |
| 03:28.49 | abrotman | markybob: did you bring the popcorn ? |
| 03:29.03 | markybob | abrotman, unfortunately i'm fresh out. i do have some beer, though :) |
| 03:29.16 | abrotman | which one ? |
| 03:29.20 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:29.21 | bradel | raf256: becos i only get the 'shell' screen on the remote machine. |
| 03:29.38 | hellop | <--- Spaten Optimator |
| 03:29.41 | markybob | abrotman, brahma. |
| 03:29.43 | raf256 | bradel for now |
| 03:30.01 | hellop | VNC is like what, super easy? read the docs |
| 03:30.02 | stew | bradel: which vncserver are you running? |
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| 03:30.18 | bradel | raf256: from shell screen, who do get to kde? |
| 03:30.29 | bradel | stew: vnc4server |
| 03:30.55 | stew | bradel: when you say "shell screen" do you mean some bash prompt? or do you mean an empty x root window? |
| 03:31.49 | bradel | stew: to be precise, i think it is konsole screen. i can execute commands in it. |
| 03:32.14 | bradel | stew: but no menu bar. |
| 03:32.14 | raf256 | stew: any idea why he tries to startkde via ssh instead startkde, open xterm, run vnc server and then connect client? |
| 03:32.16 | markybob | abrotman, got a minute to spare? i was hoping to pm you a link to some logos i've been working on and i'd like your opinions |
| 03:32.23 | abrotman | sure |
| 03:32.30 | abrotman | i'm not quite asleep yet :) |
| 03:33.08 | bradel | raf256: this is learn fr online. let me see if i have it saved. |
| 03:34.17 | bradel | stew: my problem is, with only a konsole screen, and no menu bar, i can't get to kde. |
| 03:34.56 | stew | raf256: becuase when he runs the vnc server its starting a different x server, so it doesn't matter that he ran startkde to start the x server hosting the xterm |
| 03:35.27 | stew | bradel: read /usr/share/doc/vnc4server/README.Debian and see how you can change the Xsession startup script used when the server starts |
| 03:35.59 | bradel | stew: k, thks. |
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| 03:40.42 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:40.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:40.56 | dvs | Mmmmm. Frozen beef! |
| 03:41.08 | abrotman | no mas! |
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| 03:41.44 | bradel | away to work on vnc config. bye. |
| 03:41.56 | abrotman | enouf: you live in NYC . i'm sure you can get one at this time |
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| 03:42.38 | enouf | abrotman: well .. I'm in the outer burroughs/subburbs .. but yes .. even on Sunday evening, I can get "close" |
| 03:42.57 | abrotman | eww ... you're from jersey! |
| 03:43.19 | enouf | abrotman: and i'm ordering a nice juicy 10oz angus beef cheeseburgwer as we speak ;-) |
| 03:43.34 | abrotman | eh . it's almost 11pm |
| 03:43.36 | enouf | No no no .. don't mall hair me man! |
| 03:43.56 | enouf | abrotman: I got service till 3am here ;-) |
| 03:44.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:44.21 | enouf | abrotman: i am in NYS .. if that helps |
| 03:44.35 | abrotman | enouf: http://www.dennysbeerbarrelpub.com/burgercreation.htm .. those are burgers! |
| 03:45.06 | enouf | abrotman: indeed! .. now you're talking |
| 03:45.23 | abrotman | enouf: closer for you would be the clinton diner in clinton, nj |
| 03:45.25 | enouf | abrotman: southern and western folk have no clue ;-) |
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| 03:45.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:46.00 | remote | hi, also is no longer working after I installed udev (ALSA snd_pcm_open error: No such device) anyone can help? |
| 03:46.04 | Guerin | and that, folks, is why americans are obese |
| 03:46.05 | remote | ALSA* |
| 03:46.09 | enouf | haha --> "15 AMAZING POUNDS-2 PERSON CHALLENGE" |
| 03:46.28 | abrotman | Guerin: those aren't normal |
| 03:46.29 | enouf | that's atleast a 1/4 a cow .. lol |
| 03:46.33 | Guerin | abrotman: oh, i know |
| 03:46.49 | Guerin | abrotman: but the culture of `eat as much as you can' is |
| 03:46.49 | abrotman | a 1/2lb is a bit much for me .. though i have eaten a 1lb burger |
| 03:46.53 | abrotman | with fries and slaw :) |
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| 03:47.10 | enouf | Guerin: most americans are obese b/c they eat crap |
| 03:47.19 | Quintin | remote: /j #alsa |
| 03:47.19 | Guerin | enouf: and lots of it. |
| 03:47.20 | enouf | Guerin: what abrotman posted is not crap |
| 03:47.20 | abrotman | remote: put the snd_pcm_oss in /etc/modules |
| 03:47.44 | remote | its loaded |
| 03:47.47 | Guerin | enouf: sure |
| 03:48.31 | remote | abrotman, have you had this problem as well? |
| 03:48.38 | abrotman | remote: are you in the audio group ? |
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| 03:48.43 | abrotman | remote: no .. i never have problems :) |
| 03:49.10 | remote | i added myself but it didn't solve the problem |
| 03:49.37 | remote | weird |
| 03:49.47 | remote | when i pipe /dev/urandom in /dev/dsp it works fine |
| 03:49.48 | abrotman | does the device exist ? |
| 03:50.00 | enouf | as long as you mix that with Fish, Chicken(white meat), Fruit, and Greens == balanced .. screw the FDA and their grain pyramid .. it's a marketing scheme .. more hydrogentaed and corn based bullshit reconstituted products |
| 03:50.02 | remote | i mean; i hear noise |
| 03:50.16 | rfrank | how do I use scp to connect to a server? |
| 03:50.22 | rfrank | scp user@address right? |
| 03:50.30 | ben1756 | I'm having trouble mounting my initramfs. I try mounting via loopback and the mount point shows nothing inside the directory. Help? |
| 03:50.34 | enouf | Guerin: you know what I mean .. hydrogenated oils and nitrates |
| 03:50.37 | Guerin | rfrank: man scp |
| 03:50.44 | rfrank | yeah thanks, that helps x_X |
| 03:50.46 | Guerin | enouf: yeah. Processed crap. |
| 03:50.58 | Guerin | rfrank: it does. |
| 03:51.03 | enouf | white "bleached" flour crap |
| 03:51.12 | rfrank | okay that man page didn't help me at all |
| 03:51.18 | Guerin | rfrank: read it again |
| 03:51.18 | rfrank | it just tells me again what all the commands are |
| 03:51.21 | enouf | once in a while (as a burger bun) ain't so bad ;-) |
| 03:51.28 | rfrank | and I dont' need to knwo that b/c it isn't working x_x |
| 03:51.34 | Guerin | mm, burgers sound good |
| 03:51.38 | Guerin | i might make some tonight |
| 03:51.45 | abrotman | Guerin: we've got a 15lb-er for you |
| 03:51.52 | theblue | I'm planning on installing Debian on my NSLU2, how would I drop to a console to change the APT key? |
| 03:52.00 | Guerin | can i take a raincheck until I'm in Philly? |
| 03:52.15 | rfrank | yeah uh |
| 03:52.17 | Guerin | theblue: ctrl+alt+f{1234] |
| 03:52.18 | abrotman | Guerin: that's 6.8 kg .. for the rest of the world :) |
| 03:52.23 | theblue | Guerin, It's over SSH. |
| 03:52.23 | abrotman | Guerin: it's about three hours from philly :) |
| 03:52.33 | abrotman | Guerin: it's near where i went to Uni |
| 03:52.35 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah ... about as much meat as a person is supposed to eat in a month |
| 03:52.38 | Guerin | oh |
| 03:52.46 | rfrank | I type scp rfrank@192.168.2.4 and it just tells me what all the switches are |
| 03:52.47 | rfrank | x_x |
| 03:52.52 | Dewi | abrotman, Guerin : ugh. I just ate a chocolate bar from the snack tray instead of lunch. Stop talking about food! |
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| 03:52.54 | Guerin | well, once I've gone tha 15,000km to get there, another couple hundred won't matter |
| 03:53.04 | markybob | rfrank, really, read the man page. it's not a hard man page |
| 03:53.05 | abrotman | Guerin: there is one about .. 1.5 from philly .. clintondiner |
| 03:53.08 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah, i just ate leftover chinese from last night ... and beer |
| 03:53.09 | theblue | Guerin, Is there a way to specify which terminal to use in SSH? |
| 03:53.18 | ben1756 | I've tried mounting two ways: by losetup and then mount and then just mount -o loop. I've tried supplying -t {ramfs,tmpfs}. I'm nearly certain that it was created by initramfs and not mkinitrd and so is not cramfs. |
| 03:53.20 | Guerin | theblue: TERM environment |
| 03:53.27 | theblue | Guerin, Huh? |
| 03:53.28 | rfrank | markybob, really, I read it, it doesn't give any examples or anything, doesn't help me at all |
| 03:53.31 | stew | rfrank: scp is for copying files. so you need a src and a destination. scp /path/to/localfile rfrank@192.168.2.4:/remote/file |
| 03:53.36 | abrotman | Guerin: http://www.clintonstationdiner.com/zeus.htm |
| 03:53.37 | Dewi | Guerin: Beer! And you're not even in a significantly different timezone. Argh. |
| 03:53.41 | Guerin | theblue: export TERM=something |
| 03:54.01 | theblue | Guerin, But what would the something be, and where would I type that? |
| 03:54.07 | Guerin | Dewi: i knocked off work at midday and haven't yet needed to submit my research proposal for this year |
| 03:54.07 | theblue | Local console? |
| 03:54.12 | Guerin | although term did start today |
| 03:54.18 | rfrank | you can't login, get a file listing, etc? |
| 03:54.19 | rfrank | x_x |
| 03:54.20 | Dewi | Guerin: here too |
| 03:54.27 | Guerin | theblue: typical values are `linux' `xterm' and `screen' |
| 03:54.29 | markybob | rfrank, that's ftp, not scp :) |
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| 03:54.35 | stew | rfrank: no, perhaps you want sftp |
| 03:54.52 | rfrank | stew, I've tried using ftp, it sucks. the connection dies all the time. |
| 03:54.55 | Dewi | Guerin: but I'm no longer an academic. I just hope that term starting today means that most of my friends (who provide services at universities) are having a bad day today |
| 03:55.04 | stew | rfrank: have you tried sftp? |
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| 03:55.06 | Guerin | that's nice of you |
| 03:55.07 | rfrank | stew, In the middle of transfers, too; someone will be copying some huge files to my se r ver and it'll just die |
| 03:55.14 | enouf | abrotman: I know that place .. from way back, but can; recall exactly when .. that's atleast a 1/2 a cow .. M00! |
| 03:55.17 | Dewi | Guerin: well, you know... I hate my job |
| 03:55.19 | theblue | Guerin, Do I use that command on the local console or the NSLU2? |
| 03:55.23 | abrotman | rfrank: did you try more than one ftpd ? |
| 03:55.25 | Guerin | Dewi: *shock* |
| 03:55.25 | rfrank | stew, I was using proftpd and I made it secure - I'm pretty sure sftp is different from ftps so no |
| 03:55.30 | abrotman | enouf: hehe |
| 03:55.37 | rfrank | abrotman, yes, I've tried other ones before, even on different OSes, had the same problem |
| 03:55.40 | rfrank | never w/ scp |
| 03:55.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:55.44 | stew | rfrank: yes, sftp is different. it uses ssh as the transport |
| 03:55.45 | Guerin | theblue: the term environment variable is fed to ssh when you login |
| 03:55.48 | Dewi | Guerin: I see no reason why other people should be allowed to enjoy theirs |
| 03:55.54 | rahul | rfrank: you can get file listings with scp if you use zsh |
| 03:55.58 | Guerin | Dewi: that seems equitable. |
| 03:56.03 | theblue | Guerin, But then how do I tell it not to use the installer? |
| 03:56.04 | rahul | tab completion will do that |
| 03:56.05 | Guerin | Dewi: you're a fun-communist! |
| 03:56.07 | ben1756 | I'm trying this in knoppix. There is one file on the initramfs that I am trying to change. I would completely rebuild it from a chroot on the target root filesystem, but I cannot remember the steps I followed to get luks to work properly. |
| 03:56.23 | Dewi | Guerin: equal-opportunity misanthropist. |
| 03:56.25 | rahul | ben1756: why would we know? |
| 03:56.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:56.29 | Dewi | Guerin: was it you that said that or abrotman? |
| 03:56.34 | Guerin | Dewi: not me. |
| 03:56.38 | rahul | ben1756: how do you know anyone here has ever used knoppix? |
| 03:56.51 | abrotman | Dewi: not me :) |
| 03:57.10 | Dewi | abrotman: aah well, some other regular with a sense of humour then. Maybe rahul. :P |
| 03:57.11 | Guerin | it ain't meee, babe, aww, naw, naaw |
| 03:57.27 | rfrank | me neither |
| 03:57.33 | Dewi | I could grep my logs, but I think I've procrastinated about enough for today |
| 03:57.42 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:57.52 | rahul | what did I say? |
| 03:57.58 | ben1756 | rahul: that tools are all the same. I'm just trying to get the machine to boot. If you'd rather that I use a debian machine to operate, I can tell you that I've unplugged the drive and plugged it into one. |
| 03:58.17 | rahul | ben1756: I can boot debian and I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 03:59.02 | markybob | well, why stall any longer? |
| 03:59.04 | markybob | !based on debian |
| 03:59.04 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 03:59.11 | rahul | heh |
| 03:59.27 | rahul | fine then |
| 03:59.29 | ben1756 | uncalled for |
| 03:59.36 | Dewi | rahul: to be fair, would getting debian booting again really fall under knoppix support? |
| 03:59.42 | rahul | ben1756: yes, your off-topic question is uncalled for |
| 03:59.48 | Dewi | rahul: let's not just pass these things back and forth |
| 04:00.09 | rahul | Dewi: what is he talking about, then? |
| 04:00.20 | rahul | is debian not booting or is knoppix not booting? |
| 04:00.23 | stew | rahul: he's trying to use knoppix to repair his broken debian. |
| 04:00.34 | ben1756 | Debian is not booting. Knoppix is the rescue ship. |
| 04:00.48 | rahul | why is he fiddling with initrds? |
| 04:00.52 | stew | ben1756: are you just trying to rebuild the initrd or are you asking for help fixing luks? |
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| 04:01.05 | rahul | and what's luks? |
| 04:01.23 | stew | rahul: a method of setting up cryptoloop |
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| 04:02.17 | ben1756 | I'm not trying to do either. The initramfs has an incorrect value used by the cryptoloop premount scripts. I'm just trying to make a persistent change to that value so that my system will boot. Hence: I'm trying to mount the initrd rw so that I can do so. |
| 04:02.22 | rahul | hmm, cramfs is not writable, is it? |
| 04:02.29 | rahul | he can't just mount it and change the file |
| 04:02.44 | ben1756 | I don't think that it's a cramfs. |
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| 04:03.28 | ben1756 | I say initrd just because that's what the file was named |
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| 04:03.45 | rahul | now I'm even more confused. |
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| 04:04.22 | roler | I run dovecot. It looks like I have stupid bots attempting to brute force logins... After a while, dovecot quits. Is there a way to prevent it from quitting? |
| 04:04.44 | rahul | roler: well... does it _say_ why it's quitting? |
| 04:04.46 | ben1756 | I may be mistaken- but I understood that initramfs and initrd were separate methods of booting the system |
| 04:04.57 | rahul | roler: or is it just segfaulting because it has a buffer overflow or something? |
| 04:05.33 | rahul | ben1756: initrd stands for initial RAM disk |
| 04:05.33 | roler | Feb 25 19:50:25 fordmuscle dovecot: Login process died too early - shutting down |
| 04:05.40 | rahul | or initialization or something |
| 04:05.55 | rahul | roler: strange. it shuts down the whole daemon because of that? |
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| 04:06.15 | roler | rahul; yup. that's it's shutting down message. But i'm getting 100's of "Aborted login" messages |
| 04:06.41 | rahul | roler: can you just firewall that IP address that's attacking you? |
| 04:07.25 | roler | rahul; well, In my experience (i've been dealing with a ton of spam bots that attack message forums and html forms in general) that once they find you, they spread your informatino around and it never stops - coming from 100's of different IPs |
| 04:07.44 | rahul | roler: sure, but is that what's happening in this case? |
| 04:08.09 | Dewi | rahul: dovecot should not fail due to login attacks |
| 04:08.13 | GMouse | I have a headless server that occasionally goes down, usually after several days. But today, it went down for the fifth time while I was out. It stays running, but is considered to be unreachable whenever I try to ping it. Anyone know what's going on or where I can look to find that out? |
| 04:08.15 | roler | rahul; I get 100's of messages like this: dovecot: pop3-login: Aborted login: user=<spencer>, method=PLAIN, rip=217.57.84.18, lip=209.11.240.203 |
| 04:08.19 | rahul | Dewi: yeah, I already said that :) |
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| 04:09.00 | rahul | GMouse: is it behind a firewall? |
| 04:09.18 | GMouse | It's on a home network and there is no firewall between it and this system. |
| 04:09.21 | Dewi | roler: http://www.dovecot.org/list/dovecot/2006-August/015679.html |
| 04:09.35 | markybob | GMouse, read your syslog |
| 04:09.37 | Dewi | roler: maybe you just need to scale those up a bit |
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| 04:10.00 | GMouse | markybob: I assume that's a file in /var/log? |
| 04:10.05 | markybob | GMouse, yes |
| 04:10.14 | GMouse | ok, hold on a sec |
| 04:10.18 | GMouse | I need to bring it back up yet again. |
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| 04:10.53 | jcapone | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.59 | enouf | ben1756: you should readup on knoppix mounting FSs .. cloop and unionFS (depending upon which version) .. now I have to go get that bacon double cheeseburger deluxe I ordered ;-) |
| 04:11.16 | rahul | GMouse: also, what host says your machine is unreachable? |
| 04:11.16 | enouf | erm .. 2 of them ;-) |
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| 04:11.35 | Dewi | GMouse: if it's just your network going down you can try ifdown/ifup... or remove the module and reinstall... ultimately you might have a flaky network card or something |
| 04:11.58 | rahul | GMouse: and what is "this computer"? |
| 04:12.27 | rahul | GMouse: are there any routers between that host and "this computer"? or are they on the same ethernet network? |
| 04:12.35 | GMouse | I'm on my desktop, a gentoo box. I have a file-server, an Etch box. |
| 04:12.36 | roler | dewi; thanks, trying that now since they were rem'd out |
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| 04:12.52 | GMouse | They're on the same switch, no firewalls, except for the one on the network's perimeter. |
| 04:13.29 | DavidCraft | i am on a via box, and i am trying to compile and install via unichrome video drivers, and im not having much luck. Im still fairly new to linux as it is. Right now i see an error that says ./makedriver: line 276: dos2unix: command not found. here is the link to the install documentation: http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/cle266cn400cn-cx700cn800xorg40072-kernel-src_20061226a(20070212111755).zip there is a pdf in that zip file. If anyone can |
| 04:13.29 | rahul | GMouse: you might want to use the "arp" command when the machine is down to check if you have an arp entry for the other machine, then. |
| 04:13.45 | markybob | ah. good call. often forget about arp |
| 04:13.56 | rahul | arp arp arp. |
| 04:14.07 | Dewi | markybob: I think this indicates that arp is awesome |
| 04:14.21 | Dewi | markybob: it's doing a tough job and we barely know it exists |
| 04:16.03 | markybob | whoever mentioned burgers earlier, thanks for the idea. this is yummy |
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| 04:17.38 | GMouse | Funny, nothing looks out of place in syslog. |
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| 04:20.05 | GMouse | But it just went down again...and arp isn't able to give me a MAC for the server. |
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| 04:20.41 | markybob | GMouse, switch cables. then switch cards if it continues |
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| 04:21.19 | GMouse | Basically, hardware issues? |
| 04:21.33 | rahul | probably |
| 04:22.31 | GMouse | Thanks. Well, I'll have to test out the hardware sometime later, then. |
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| 04:31.12 | linux2 | anyone know if you can install debian on an array? |
| 04:31.18 | linux2 | im trying to install it on a compaq array |
| 04:31.24 | linux2 | im not sure if debian is seeing the drives |
| 04:31.32 | linux2 | it doesn't show it in the partitioner |
| 04:31.36 | rahul | linux has great support for this |
| 04:31.54 | markybob | linux2, which kernel ? |
| 04:31.55 | linux2 | rahul: this is a really old compaq raid array |
| 04:31.58 | linux2 | its on eisa |
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| 04:32.05 | markybob | oh eek |
| 04:32.08 | rahul | eh? |
| 04:32.14 | linux2 | markybob: not sure. whatever one the debian installer users |
| 04:32.19 | linux2 | well it shows up in mandriva |
| 04:32.29 | markybob | linux2, boot installer with linux26 |
| 04:32.34 | linux2 | and i know the module is cpqarray |
| 04:32.39 | rahul | the debian installer uses the kernel you boot it with |
| 04:32.42 | linux2 | im pretty sure thats the default |
| 04:32.43 | ben1756 | rahul: problem is fixed |
| 04:32.45 | rahul | use a scsi-capable one |
| 04:32.48 | linux2 | what does it do if you just press enter |
| 04:32.57 | linux2 | it sees the non-raided scsi drives |
| 04:32.59 | liable | if you are using the etch installer, i would try the 2.4 kernel |
| 04:33.04 | linux2 | just not the one on the raid controller |
| 04:33.07 | linux2 | liable: yeah im using etch |
| 04:33.12 | rahul | hmm |
| 04:33.32 | rahul | the vanilla kernel worked with the SMART array on a dl380, back in woody. |
| 04:33.44 | linux2 | rahul: yeah its a smart array |
| 04:33.53 | rahul | yeah, it's eisa, tho :\ |
| 04:33.55 | linux2 | this is a proliant 3300 i think |
| 04:34.01 | linux2 | rahul: the module supports eisa |
| 04:34.08 | ben1756 | rahul: thanks much for the help |
| 04:34.12 | linux2 | i just don't see how to get the debian installer to see it |
| 04:34.14 | markybob | linux2, could just be an installer bug. why dont you try with the stable, sarge installer? |
| 04:34.28 | linux2 | markybob: i already tried stable |
| 04:34.35 | linux2 | stable has issues with the cpqarray module |
| 04:34.39 | linux2 | its actually broken in it |
| 04:34.49 | rahul | ben1756: don't think I helped you much. I had no clue what you were talking about :P |
| 04:34.49 | markybob | well, i'm out |
| 04:34.59 | rahul | but you're welcome anyway :P |
| 04:35.03 | liable | linux2: boot the 2.4 kernel |
| 04:35.56 | rahul | later makrybub |
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| 04:36.58 | linux2 | liable: ok brb |
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| 04:39.21 | ben1756 | rahul: the target set up with cryptoloop for the root filesystem had changed; when booting, the block device for root didn't exist, so trapped at the initrd. Instead of changing the location of the created block device in the initrd, I just changed the root= target. |
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| 04:40.11 | rahul | hmm |
| 04:40.15 | rahul | is that how initrds work? |
| 04:40.21 | rahul | oh well. |
| 04:41.10 | ben1756 | well, thanks just the same. I had good moral support. |
| 04:41.15 | ben1756 | goodnight all. |
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| 04:49.20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello |
| 04:50.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | When I boot up and log into KDE, everything seems to work fine until suddenly Xorg restarts |
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| 04:50.39 | Guerin | !log |
| 04:50.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | U checked Xorg.0.log, but there was nothing of interest |
| 04:50.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | I|| |
| 04:50.56 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: .xsession-errors |
| 04:51.07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Argh... U.S. layout |
| 04:52.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Whoa...thats one gigantic file |
| 04:52.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Mind if I DCC it to you |
| 04:52.56 | Guerin | yes |
| 04:53.02 | Guerin | just read it |
| 04:53.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn |
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| 04:53.11 | Guerin | the last entry will tell you what you need to know |
| 04:53.24 | Guerin | friends don't let friends DCC |
| 04:53.43 | Dark_Apostrophe | There are lots of errors, just none that seem enough to crash xorg |
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| 04:53.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 3106, errno = 0 |
| 04:54.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | *** kdesktop got signal 1 (Exiting) |
| 04:54.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | That, maybe |
| 04:54.28 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:54.39 | LeFallen | Dovecot is failing to auth SOME LDAP users for me even though I can auth them directly using LDAP tools. Anyone have any hints as to where I can start working out what's going on? |
| 04:54.44 | Guerin | something's telling kdesktop to exit |
| 04:54.58 | Guerin | but it's a legitimate exist, not a crash, so the fault is not with kdesktop |
| 04:55.32 | Guerin | LeFallen: #ldap? I'd probably start by auditing the ldap configs and then use a packet sniffer. |
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| 04:56.20 | LeFallen | Guerin: The thing is LDAP appears to be returning err=0 for the requests - as in authenticating them correctly - when dovecot asks. |
| 04:56.32 | Guerin | mm, funky |
| 04:56.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Heres the last of the content in that file |
| 04:56.37 | LeFallen | And LDAP is authenticating the users successfully through other means. |
| 04:56.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://pastebin.ca/raw/372589 |
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| 04:56.49 | Guerin | i know nothing about ldap in particular |
| 04:56.55 | sivik | some one a while back told me where to download a script that installed the correct ati drivers that made my xpress 200m finally work correctly and i had to reformat my machine and i forgot to save that script, could someone tell me where i woudl find it? |
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| 04:57.09 | Guerin | sivik: /msg dpkg ait |
| 04:57.13 | Guerin | ati, too |
| 04:57.14 | daxxar | Anyone know of something like UnionFS or AUFS that's a bit more mature (or atleast stable)? I've read a lot of places that people recommend AUFS over UnionFS because it's faster and more stable, but I'm getting kernel Oops'es at umount etc, so I'm hoping for an alternative. :-) |
| 04:57.18 | LeFallen | Guerin: It's weird because the records don't LOOK any different to any others, they just don't work. |
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| 04:57.54 | eshaase | is there a tool that monitors network traffic from the command-line? |
| 04:58.08 | sivik | Guerin: it wasn't a dpkg, doing it that way never worked, it has only worked with that script, not the how to from the web |
| 04:58.11 | sivik | eshaase, yes |
| 04:58.11 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Mind having a look at that |
| 04:58.13 | sivik | eshaase, snort |
| 04:58.14 | stew | eshaase: iptraf? |
| 04:58.15 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: looks like amarok is being typically retarded. Ask #kde to explain expoicitly what this means |
| 04:58.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... |
| 04:58.25 | crazy_penguin | Good morning to all! |
| 04:58.27 | Guerin | sivik: no idea. |
| 04:59.35 | eshaase | theres not a standard network monitoring tool? |
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| 05:00.07 | markybob | eshaase, ping? |
| 05:00.08 | Guerin | eshaase: no. |
| 05:00.12 | markybob | :) |
| 05:00.15 | Guerin | markybob: not testing, monitoring |
| 05:00.22 | Guerin | mind you |
| 05:00.24 | markybob | Guerin, cron with ping ? :) |
| 05:00.29 | Guerin | it CAN be used as a monitoring tool |
| 05:00.31 | Guerin | heh, right |
| 05:00.44 | markybob | http://www.zenoss.com/ |
| 05:01.00 | markybob | (joking aside) |
| 05:01.11 | DavidCraft | i am on a via box, and i am trying to compile and install via unichrome video drivers, and im not having much luck. Im still fairly new to linux as it is. Right now i see an error that says ./makedriver: line 276: dos2unix: command not found. here is the link to the install documentation: http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/cle266cn400cn-cx700cn800xorg40072-kernel-src_20061226a(20070212111755).zip there is a pdf in that zip file. If anyone can |
| 05:01.15 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:01.47 | Guerin | DavidCraft: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:02.15 | stew | DavidCraft: /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 05:02.36 | markybob | Guerin, was that wtf directed at me? |
| 05:02.50 | Guerin | markybob: not you, but the zenoss thing in general |
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| 05:05.15 | DavidCraft | what? i dont understand |
| 05:05.31 | eshaase | given someones /whois info can i figure out their location? |
| 05:05.46 | markybob | DavidCraft, really? apt-get install sysutils |
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| 05:06.30 | stew | eshaase: http://geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation&ipaddress=cpe-72-177-7-248.austin.res.rr.com |
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| 05:07.23 | DavidCraft | what is /msg? |
| 05:07.27 | linux2 | humm i can't get it |
| 05:07.39 | linux2 | cpqarray doesn't seem to see my compaq SMART controller |
| 05:08.02 | stew | DavidCraft: a command type type into your irc client |
| 05:08.10 | stew | dpkg: tell DavidCraft about dos2unix |
| 05:08.42 | eshaase | stew: so what exactly is that string in a /whois? |
| 05:09.04 | stew | eshaase: huh? |
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| 05:10.44 | Yeti | Question? |
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| 05:11.00 | markybob | !ask |
| 05:11.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 05:12.33 | Yeti | Oh, how many times have I seen that... anyway |
| 05:12.42 | Yeti | Here's where it stands. |
| 05:13.27 | Yeti | I've got a gig of ram, 120 gb hard drive, I've allocated 5 Gb the first partition, on which win xp pro currently resides, and the other 115 Gb is sitting there as unused NTFS space. I'm about to throw debian etch on a third partition, and I'm going to use the fourth and final for swap. |
| 05:13.45 | LeFallen | I have a problem with Dovecot; I'm running Debian version sarge. When I try to do user authentication (for SOME users) via LDAP, I get the following output: "login failed". I expected it to do an auth and not fail. |
| 05:13.45 | Yeti | My question is, how big should I make the third and fourth partitions? |
| 05:13.56 | Yeti | I want as much free space as possible on my second one, without affecting the linux OS. |
| 05:14.48 | linux2 | can you build a custom kernel from the debian etch install cd? |
| 05:15.39 | Yeti | Does anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 05:15.40 | markybob | Yeti, you should be ok with 1.5G swap. whatever's left over after that can go to / |
| 05:15.56 | linux2 | http://www.pocock.com.au/linux-doc/debian-raid-hw.html |
| 05:16.00 | linux2 | im trying to do that |
| 05:16.05 | markybob | linux2, yes. now ask how much fun it is to do that :-) |
| 05:16.07 | linux2 | but its for an older install so im not sure |
| 05:16.16 | linux2 | markybob: yeah i gotta do it |
| 05:16.22 | linux2 | to install on a hardware raid controller |
| 05:16.25 | linux2 | o joy |
| 05:16.25 | linux2 | lol |
| 05:16.46 | linux2 | i cannot find where the kernel source is on the debian install cd |
| 05:16.47 | linux2 | you know? |
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| 05:17.44 | markybob | linux2, did you look at the installer wiki? for example: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 05:17.54 | Yeti | markybob, thanks for the help. I'm trying to have as much possible space left on the second ntfs partition, so how much would I need for swap, and how much for ext 3? |
| 05:18.29 | DavidCraft | where can i post a new error? |
| 05:18.47 | markybob | Yeti, you could have a pretty full gnome install on, say, 5G. might wanna give yourself 8 to have some room |
| 05:18.56 | Guerin | DavidCraft: if you need to go error-by-error you should consider not doing this until you have a clue |
| 05:19.08 | Guerin | 5G is plenty |
| 05:19.20 | linux2 | markybob: humm no i didn't. i would like this to not take forever |
| 05:19.20 | Yeti | markybob, again, thanks much for the advice! :) So you think I should have a 5 - 8 Gb ext 3 partition, and a 1.5 Gb swap partition? |
| 05:19.22 | markybob | depending what he does with his home. |
| 05:19.28 | karsten | !tell DavidCraft about paster |
| 05:19.29 | Guerin | yes, /home is the key |
| 05:19.31 | markybob | Yeti, yes |
| 05:19.32 | linux2 | markybob: i don't really need a custom cd. i hink the floppy way is faster |
| 05:19.58 | markybob | linux2, i agree |
| 05:19.58 | markybob | linux2, not sure how to do that 'simply' with the new installer, though |
| 05:20.03 | markybob | linux2, you should try #debian-boot |
| 05:20.05 | linux2 | yeah, it doesn't seem to include the kernel source |
| 05:20.09 | markybob | linux2, they'll probably know better |
| 05:20.13 | Yeti | markybob, you are awesome, thanks much. Last question, I'm intending on using this second partition for files and porn and whatever, accessible from all os's comfortably. Do you think I should have it in NTFS or FAT32? |
| 05:20.33 | karsten | Yeti: fat32 |
| 05:20.44 | markybob | Yeti, you're in luck. version of of ntfs-3g just came out. personally i'd use ntfs |
| 05:21.02 | karsten | markybob: Really? |
| 05:21.04 | markybob | really |
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| 05:21.24 | linux2 | markybob: only a couple of peopel in there |
| 05:21.30 | Yeti | karsten, that's what I was thinking, but I've got a guy sitting behind me who is twice my age and has been programming for years. Needless to say, he's got a lot more computer experience than I do, so it's hard to argue with him. He is under the impression I should be using ntfs. What should I tell him? |
| 05:21.31 | karsten | markybob: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ ? |
| 05:21.31 | markybob | Yeti, ntfs-3g lets you write/read to ntfs really very well |
| 05:21.34 | markybob | yep |
| 05:21.50 | karsten | Yeti: One sec |
| 05:21.54 | Yeti | markybob, sexy. Thanks much, that is awesome. |
| 05:21.57 | markybob | karsten, see the big "1.0!" on the top left logo? :) |
| 05:21.58 | Yeti | karsten, take your time. :) |
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| 05:22.51 | markybob | Yeti, you should agree with him. ntfs is much better. only problem used to be linux support to write to ntfs. now that's fixed, so you'll be good |
| 05:22.58 | Yeti | So.... five to eight gigabytes for ext3... I have no idea which I should do. :/ |
| 05:23.01 | Guerin | ntfs is shite |
| 05:23.16 | Guerin | have a fat32 DMZ if you need to share files between windows and debian |
| 05:23.21 | Yeti | Guerin = poopoo head |
| 05:23.21 | Yeti | ;) |
| 05:23.37 | markybob | doesnt fat32 max out at 32GB? |
| 05:23.43 | markybob | or am i on crack? |
| 05:24.00 | Guerin | markybob: no, that's just the artificial limit windows' fat maker has |
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| 05:24.10 | markybob | hrm. interesting. |
| 05:24.25 | Guerin | markybob: you can make fat filesystems of arbitrary size under linux, or on pre-winxp(?) windows |
| 05:24.30 | kman | anyone here know anything about programming language grammars? |
| 05:24.34 | Guerin | i think there IS an upper limit of 200G or something |
| 05:24.47 | Guerin | kman: programmers tend to. THis is not a programming channel. |
| 05:24.53 | kman | o i know that |
| 05:25.01 | Guerin | kman: so why did you ask? |
| 05:25.12 | Yeti | markybob, so do you think I should use 5, or 8? What are the advantages of using 8? I mean, it's just 3 Gb, but if I don't need it, then I'd rather have the extra room. Every bit helps. |
| 05:25.17 | kman | cause im looking around for help |
| 05:25.23 | Guerin | Yeti: just use 8 |
| 05:25.29 | Guerin | kman: which language? |
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| 05:25.40 | karsten | Yeti: As someone with ~20 years Unix experience, ~10 years linux and ~15 years windows (including NT 4.0 -> server 2k3), FAT32 is the best common-grounds filesystem. |
| 05:25.41 | kman | none, its programming language theory |
| 05:25.44 | markybob | Yeti, depends how many files you want in your home partition. what you wanna do and work with. i'd agree that if you can spare it, just use 8 |
| 05:25.44 | Yeti | Guerin, I guess I will do. |
| 05:25.49 | Guerin | kman: in that case, you're beyond help. |
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| 05:25.54 | kman | grrr |
| 05:26.00 | kman | thanks anyway |
| 05:26.07 | krustofski | yeah asshole! |
| 05:26.13 | krustofski | this isnt #programming4newbs |
| 05:26.18 | predder | the debian homepage would look much better if the logo was marquee |
| 05:26.28 | Guerin | predder: haha |
| 05:26.31 | karsten | Yeti: It's well-supported on both platforms, is stable, and well understood. Linux NTFS support sorta comes and goes. It seems to be updated now (as of two days ago) but that would be new, unknown, and possibly unstable code. |
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| 05:26.39 | Guerin | predder: i dare you to file a bug against www.debian.org |
| 05:26.46 | Guerin | double-dog dare, even |
| 05:26.48 | Supaplex | !stab predder's marquee obsession |
| 05:26.49 | Yeti | karsten, if I run into problems and end up wanting it fat32, I'll just switch it. PartitionMagic ftw! ;) |
| 05:26.50 | karsten | Yeti: If you were running Windows only, sure, I'd say NTFS. But you're not. |
| 05:27.05 | markybob | karsten, that's a bit of fud. ntfs-3g has been working well for a long time. just hasnt be 1.0 until recently |
| 05:27.06 | Guerin | Yeti: wtf does partitionmagic have to do with filesystems? |
| 05:27.36 | karsten | Yeti: That's a destructive reformat I suspect, you're going to need slackspace. |
| 05:27.41 | Yeti | Guerin, www.wikipedia.org |
| 05:27.49 | Guerin | markybob: that `long time' is still measured in months, not years |
| 05:27.50 | Yeti | karsten, nope. |
| 05:27.55 | Yeti | that's why it's ftw. ;) |
| 05:28.03 | karsten | markybob: I'll posit vfat is substantially more stable, tested, and deployed code than ntfs-3g. |
| 05:28.10 | Guerin | Yeti: no, i mean: partitionmagic is a *partitioning* device, not a filesystem tool. |
| 05:28.30 | Guerin | Yeti: you can do that task with mkfs, not some $100 piece of bloatware |
| 05:28.32 | markybob | karsten, linux kernel 2.2 is more tested and older. let's all use that |
| 05:28.35 | karsten | Guerin: it's a typical Windows software chimera that does many things poorly. |
| 05:28.45 | Yeti | Guerin, there's a number of things it can do, including swapping filesystem types on an existing partition which already has data on it. Without unallocated space to help. :) |
| 05:28.47 | karsten | markybob: Some of us do ;-) |
| 05:29.07 | Guerin | Yeti: by copying said data to free space elsewhere and so on. WHich is trivial. |
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| 05:29.19 | Yeti | Wait, did someone just call partitionmagic a $100 piece of bloatware? |
| 05:29.20 | markybob | karsten, http://www.ntfs-3g.org/quality.html |
| 05:29.20 | Guerin | Yeti: just try doing it on full filesystems. |
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| 05:29.27 | Guerin | Yeti: that would be me. |
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| 05:29.42 | Guerin | Yeti: though I admit I guessed at the price. |
| 05:29.58 | ipfreely | i cant seem to get maildrop to work w/ mysql on debian |
| 05:30.03 | Yeti | I run it strictly off the cd, I got it for free, you don't have to install it to use it, and it's no more windowsian then linuxian. It can format file systems into a number of types, including linux and windows structures. |
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| 05:30.11 | ipfreely | anybody else have this issues or know how to fix it ? |
| 05:30.16 | karsten | markybob: And what say you WRT, oh, say, reiserfs, jfs, xfs? |
| 05:30.25 | karsten | !tell ipfreely about smart questions |
| 05:30.38 | karsten | ipfreely: Might ask #mysql as well. |
| 05:30.56 | Guerin | Yeti: minimal force == good |
| 05:31.00 | markybob | karsten, if you use reiserfs, you're smoking some good shit. i have no opinion on jfs. xfs makes sense for certain deployments, such as very large databases |
| 05:31.14 | markybob | karsten, but my opinion on those things has what to do with ntfs-3g? :) |
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| 05:31.31 | karsten | markybob: I'd be a lot more comfortable with a several-years-old codebase, a large userbase, and a large, independent, set of "it's good" vs. "it sucks" statements. |
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| 05:31.46 | Guerin | yes |
| 05:32.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Had to make uninstall amarok |
| 05:32.06 | karsten | markybob: My point is that reiser, xfs, and jfs, good in their own right, and relatively mature, have some very significant drawbacks. |
| 05:32.06 | ipfreely | karsten: thanks, but i doubt this is a mysql related issue |
| 05:32.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: But it works now |
| 05:32.13 | Guerin | it's going to take a bunch of `it is good's to offset the enormous number of `it is shit's |
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| 05:32.20 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: sounds ideal! |
| 05:32.23 | dewbie | hello all |
| 05:32.36 | karsten | markybob: If someone with a lot of experience with Linux and multiple filesystems wanted to try ntfs-3g, sure. I wouldn't point a n00b at it yet. |
| 05:32.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Except for the fact that I love amarok |
| 05:33.05 | Guerin | Dark_Apostrophe: you have my condolences. |
| 05:33.10 | markybob | karsten, very well. have you used ntfs-3g? |
| 05:33.13 | concept10 | anyone as fosdem? |
| 05:33.23 | concept10 | *at |
| 05:33.23 | karsten | markybob: Saying that ntfs-3g is superior to all other NTFS implementations is damning it with very faint praise. |
| 05:33.23 | Guerin | concept10: lots of people, most of whom aren't on irc. |
| 05:33.42 | concept10 | Guerin, some people where in here last night |
| 05:33.47 | karsten | markybob: I haven't, nor has anyone in my fairly considerable circle of Linux-using aquaintences, best of my knowledge. |
| 05:33.49 | Guerin | where? |
| 05:33.49 | markybob | karsten, oh c'mon. i said no such thing. i said writing to ntfs is now working well |
| 05:33.59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Guerin: Funny. *yawn* |
| 05:34.11 | Guerin | markybob: a statement you have yet to substantiate with any meaningfully long-term data |
| 05:34.13 | karsten | markybob: Those very same folks *have* used vfat. Extensively. For years, and years, and years, with _no_ filesystem-related issues. |
| 05:34.16 | markybob | karsten, i suggest you try it if you're going to be damning it. that's all. i have used it. |
| 05:34.54 | karsten | markybob: My assertion was that the code is new, not widely deployed, and not widely understood. I don't believe you've addressed any of those three points. |
| 05:34.55 | markybob | karsten, filesystem != drivers. ntfs-3g is a driver to access a filesystem |
| 05:35.06 | Yeti | thanks again for the help :) |
| 05:35.07 | Yeti | later! |
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| 05:35.32 | karsten | markybob: Quit with the wanker symantics arguments already. |
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| 05:35.45 | markybob | ha! |
| 05:35.50 | Guerin | no, really |
| 05:35.51 | karsten | markybob: You and I both know what I'm talking about and what I mean. |
| 05:36.01 | Guerin | evidence! we wants it! |
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| 05:36.23 | Guerin | markybob: i'll give you a couple years to get back to me, since that's how long it'll take before I really believe it. |
| 05:36.24 | karsten | markybob: It may be perfectly solid shit. It's new. It is *not* time-tested. I'm willing to give it time. |
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| 05:36.37 | karsten | markybob: Any argument with any of that? |
| 05:36.39 | Guerin | markybob: let's all switch to ext4! |
| 05:36.52 | eshaase | stew: in your /whois what exactly is rrcs-72-43-105-66.nyc.biz.rr.com? |
| 05:36.52 | markybob | why? you wont believe it anyway. nevermind the testimonials section or the articles written about it. nevermind the first hand experience of others. fuck it all. i say we all go back to kernel 2.2 for everything |
| 05:36.53 | Guerin | it's been out since November 2006! It must be great! |
| 05:37.10 | karsten | markybob: That's one strawman burned. Have another? |
| 05:37.55 | markybob | karsten, i dont honestly know what that means. i assume it's a culture thing (brazilian here) |
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| 05:38.16 | karsten | markybob: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man |
| 05:39.13 | concept10 | the sound in the fosdem videos is horrifuckingble |
| 05:39.16 | karsten | markybob: Arguing strawmen or red herrings is throwing irrelevent or readily dismissed items into an argument. My point in drawing your attention to this is that you're failing to address the meat of my objections. |
| 05:39.51 | karsten | markybob: I accept _your_ points, I appreciate the information WRT ntfs-3g, and its recent 1.0 status, as well as your testemonials to its utility. |
| 05:40.06 | markybob | karsten, because your objections are based on anything solid. you dont bugs or catastrophes to point to to say 'dont use that!' |
| 05:40.11 | markybob | s/are/arent |
| 05:40.27 | karsten | markybob: I _don't_ tend to use NTFS much myself (I avoid dual-booting situations), would most likely use it only in a rescue scenario, and am unlikely to have much need for it. |
| 05:40.33 | markybob | karsten, i can certain agree to disagree, though. |
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| 05:41.01 | karsten | markybob: My own ~25 year experience with technology is that new shit breaks. New shit based on moving targets, inentionally obscured code, and proprietary systems breaks worse. |
| 05:41.27 | karsten | markybob: Nope, I've got absolutely _no_ specific evidence of ntfs-3g failures. |
| 05:41.36 | Guerin | markybob: the onus is on people to prove that their shit *works*, since if it doesn't data goes bye-bye |
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| 05:42.31 | karsten | markybob: However, fourth repeat (one more than I usually go), can you demonstrate that it's got, say, the 15 *year* track-record of vfat? |
| 05:43.27 | markybob | karsten, no, i cant. i dont believe that should warrant a 'do not touch' status, however. |
| 05:43.42 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.47 | karsten | Yep, 15 years ;-) |
| 05:43.50 | markybob | karsten, we werent talking about an office server that's "vital" |
| 05:44.07 | karsten | markybob: It *does* warrant a "don't send n00bs down the primrose path" attitude. |
| 05:44.29 | karsten | markybob: We're talking about someone who's new to Linux and should have a good impression. |
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| 05:45.07 | karsten | markybob: There's a lot of reason to be reasonably conservative in technology. |
| 05:45.50 | karsten | Wow, vfat source is only 1057 lines, comments included.... |
| 05:45.55 | markybob | karsten, that's just the part where we disagree, because you think him using ntfs-3g will give him a bad impression, whereas i do not. however, i will agree with you that having him use vfat has a lower risk and is more conservative |
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| 05:46.32 | karsten | markybob: Glad you see that, even if you don't agree. |
| 05:46.43 | karsten | markybob: After all, you're the one who says you've used this. |
| 05:46.49 | karsten | markybob: ... you're more likely right ;-) |
| 05:47.26 | markybob | karsten, hope so, cuz i'm still using it ;) |
| 05:47.38 | karsten | markybob: let us know if you're not ;-) |
| 05:48.14 | karsten | markybob: Any read on performance of ntfs-g3 v. vfat? |
| 05:48.59 | markybob | karsten, i have not done any sort of benchmarking, no. however, i havent ever paused to think 'this is taking longer than i'd expect', either. |
| 05:49.09 | karsten | OK. |
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| 05:50.00 | markybob | my interests in ntfs-3g have been purely from a user standpoint, not developer. |
| 05:50.02 | karsten | http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html |
| 05:50.11 | rahul | how do I clear alsa's playback buffer? I had an app crash and now it's looping the same sample over and over again, even when I play something else |
| 05:50.12 | karsten | Understood, and likewise. |
| 05:50.20 | rahul | frigging support for hardware mixing :P |
| 05:50.37 | karsten | I've found that as a user, my needs are best served by stable, conservative cod.e |
| 05:51.44 | karsten | rahul: unload audio drivers. or reboot. |
| 05:51.45 | rahul | fuck |
| 05:51.45 | rahul | !penixstrike karsten |
| 05:51.45 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking karsten to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 05:51.45 | markybob | could you unload the drivers? wouldnt it show as in-use? |
| 05:51.45 | rahul | I don't have them modular |
| 05:51.45 | markybob | ah. even worse :) |
| 05:51.45 | karsten | rahul: Well, rebooting should unload 'em ;-) |
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| 05:51.46 | rahul | don't make me penixstrike you again |
| 05:51.46 | rahul | :P |
| 05:51.58 | karsten | rahul: I rather enjoyed it the first time. |
| 05:52.00 | markybob | rahul, out of curiosity, what happens when you do /etc/init.d/alsa restart ? |
| 05:52.11 | rahul | Usage: /etc/init.d/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume} |
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| 05:52.43 | dewbie | Hi |
| 05:52.49 | rahul | whoa |
| 05:53.02 | markybob | rahul, whoa? what happened? |
| 05:53.05 | rahul | I killed gv and the sound loop stopped |
| 05:53.05 | karsten | rahul: unload/reload is equivalent of restart (that's usually what it calls internally). |
| 05:53.16 | ACU01 | guys I made it! a RAID1 with two IDE HDD for OS and a RAID1 for 2 SCSI - the IDE HDD with the OS was a pain - it worked only when I made 4 RAIDS (one for /boot one for / one for swap and one for the rest) |
| 05:53.19 | karsten | rahul: ghostview? |
| 05:53.30 | markybob | how does that make sense? :) |
| 05:53.30 | rahul | karsten: yes |
| 05:53.41 | karsten | rahul: You're weird, sir. |
| 05:53.42 | rahul | markybob: call me keanu. |
| 05:53.46 | markybob | ha! |
| 05:54.07 | ACU01 | I think Debian should be advertised as POWER and FREEDOM UNCONFIGURED ! |
| 05:54.33 | markybob | ACU01, anyone really interested in Debian probably knows that most things are unconfigured by default |
| 05:54.39 | markybob | otherwise, they go to ubuntu ;) |
| 05:54.52 | NetEcho | howcome when I do something like apt-get remove kopete it trys to remove the entire kde suite? |
| 05:55.17 | concept10 | NetEcho, because thats probably recommended |
| 05:55.20 | NetEcho | I highly doubt an entire desktop environment is dependant on a Messenger |
| 05:55.21 | Supaplex | does kde depend on it? |
| 05:55.22 | markybob | NetEcho, the entire suite, or the kde metapackage ? |
| 05:55.34 | NetEcho | kde / kdenetwork / kopete |
| 05:55.38 | NetEcho | kopete is like gaim |
| 05:55.57 | NetEcho | I just wanna remove kopete |
| 05:56.45 | ACU01 | markybob: if anyone is interested in Debian it does not mean that they are born knowing Debian and that most things are not configured - sometimes they think things are not finished or they dont work (or they would not know the difference) |
| 05:57.14 | markybob | ACU01, do you need help with something? |
| 05:57.55 | ACU01 | markybog: thanks, not right now - as I said I just made the RAID1 with the IDE rolling .... |
| 05:58.05 | markybob | ah, ok |
| 05:58.16 | ACU01 | markibob: sorry for mispelling |
| 05:58.29 | ACU01 | I did it again markybob |
| 05:58.32 | dewbie | Goodnight all. |
| 05:58.37 | markybob | no worries :) |
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| 06:00.47 | colera | i am having touble installing my wireless drivers. |
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| 06:01.07 | colera | they are the ipw2200 |
| 06:01.15 | NetEcho | hah have fun |
| 06:01.28 | NetEcho | I had hell of a time with those last time I tried to install my Wifi |
| 06:01.37 | markybob | !ipw2200 |
| 06:01.38 | dpkg | somebody said ipw2200 was a driver for Intel wireless cards. It's built into kernels >= 2.6.15 and only compiles on a 2.6 kernel. If you need to build, you'll need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages, and contrib sources (ask me about <contrib>). To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. Ask me about <ipw2200 firmware>. Project page: http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
| 06:01.38 | colera | i did them about a year ago no problem |
| 06:02.32 | colera | hmm maybe it's because i am installing on a 2.4 kernel |
| 06:02.39 | markybob | there you go |
| 06:03.07 | concept10 | gosh I hate it when firefox segfaults |
| 06:03.12 | colera | markybob: i downloaded the debian base install disc from the internet and it automatically put me on 2.4 |
| 06:03.22 | colera | is that normal? |
| 06:03.25 | NetEcho | install/installgui uses 2.6 |
| 06:03.32 | markybob | colera, fyi, you can install with 2.6 by using "linux26" on installer boot |
| 06:04.04 | markybob | colera, or you could use etch installers, which now use 2.6 by default |
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| 06:04.47 | colera | how do i is etch still in beta or something? |
| 06:04.56 | markybob | colera, still in testing, yes :) |
| 06:05.04 | markybob | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:05.05 | warlock | what is the command to set a specefic size to a dir? so the dir can't be larger then 10mb for an example? |
| 06:05.14 | colera | markybob: thanks |
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| 06:10.02 | warlock | what is the command to set a specefic size to a dir? so the dir can't be larger then 10mb for an example? |
| 06:10.18 | bintut | anyone here have worked and/or porting debian to the embedded system? |
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| 06:12.19 | valdyn | !quota |
| 06:12.20 | dpkg | quota is, like, a Debian package for managing disk space quotas. It can be made to cap space usage by certain uids or gids; see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Quota.gz (in the "doc-linux-nonfree-text" package) for a (slightly out-of-date) introduction. |
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| 06:13.25 | SNIa | hello all |
| 06:13.32 | warlock | thanks valdyn |
| 06:14.28 | warlock | didn' |
| 06:14.32 | warlock | didn't find the file valdyn * |
| 06:15.01 | SNIa | I'm using initramfs, I extract the cpio archive I do not see /init. however when I boot, I set grub to not go further than initrd, I see /init script, how is this file created when it's not in the cpio initrd file? |
| 06:15.31 | valdyn | warlock: apt-get install quota |
| 06:15.35 | warlock | cheers |
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| 06:16.29 | warlock | valdyn, can you give me an example of how to use quota? As its 7am, and my brain not helping me much :) |
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| 06:18.11 | SNIa | anyone know how initrams creates the /init script, when I don't see it in the initrd file? |
| 06:18.16 | SNIa | initramfs |
| 06:20.13 | ACU01 | guys I have a quick question: I want to buy a laptop with an AMD Turion X2 - I can choose between Gateway MT6451 with a dual core AMD Turion 1.6 Ghz and a COmpaq V6205NR with a single core AMD Turion but at 2 Ghz - obviously I will erase Vista and install Debian - I wonder if anyone has any suggestion or experience with anyoof this |
| 06:20.50 | markybob | ACU01, i have a turion x2...go dual-core. it's been very, very useful with multi-tasking. dual-core is a beautiful thing |
| 06:20.55 | Tigger_ | SNIa, i think i'm sure it's done via dpkg when the kernel is installed |
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| 06:21.10 | siimo | ACU01: have you googled for those specific models on the net for linux support... also try looking in ubuntu wiki in notebook support database |
| 06:21.52 | markybob | ACU01, personally i suggest the hp pavillion dv6000. it's what i have and every single piece of hardware works perfect. i even get it to sleep :) |
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| 06:25.53 | markybob | ACU01, feel free to remember my nick and ask me for any help you might need on the dv6000 |
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| 06:27.32 | aarm_ | Does anyone here have experience setting up centericq on debian? |
| 06:27.48 | aarm_ | specifically for google talk? |
| 06:30.21 | ACU01 | markybob: it seem that the reviews are preety good - the Gateway is 100$ less for the same features (I found at bestbuy the Gateway with 699$) the only thing I do not like is that gateway have PATA HDD with 4200 rpm while the HP has SATA with 5400 rpm which I know counts a lot - but I have to look at the wireless card - as now I have a dell p4 with a broadcom and I cannot use it with Debian (which is anoying of course) |
| 06:30.53 | markybob | ACU01, which broadcom chipset? |
| 06:31.22 | Tigger_ | SNIa, are you trying to edit the installer script or the startup script on an installed system? |
| 06:32.14 | markybob | ACU01, furthermore, have you heard of ndiswrapper? it lets you use windows wireless drivers in linux with no sweat |
| 06:32.27 | ACU01 | I think is 4000 (I forgot now since I gave up - I made it work with Ubuntu using ndiswrap) strangely enough I could not with Debian Etch - so few months I just gave up on it |
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| 06:32.56 | markybob | ACU01, probably 4312. that's what my hp came with. that problem was actually just fixed last month and it'll be part of the 2.6.21 kernel. |
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| 06:33.35 | jetscreamer | &part |
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| 06:34.48 | eshaase | anyone know of a good alternative to limewire? |
| 06:34.50 | ACU01 | markybob: then we have to compile the kernel... for Debian but anyhow is good news - but now since I know I will see if I can avoid broadcom ---- the last question - do you feel a difference in performance with dual core? |
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| 06:34.55 | markybob | eshaase, amule? |
| 06:35.14 | markybob | ACU01, absolutely. |
| 06:35.59 | markybob | ACU01, dual-core has made all the difference for me. i can be compiling a program (which will use 100% of one core) and then load up a browser and do whatever else i want with no real slow down since it'll use the other core |
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| 06:36.54 | ACU01 | It seem that I have to go then with HP (though I end up paying 200$ more than I expected) - for performance is cool - I use it for few bioinformatics tools and they are preety heavy |
| 06:37.34 | valdyn | compiling is probably not even an ideal benchmark as its pretty i/o heavy too |
| 06:38.18 | eshaase | markybob: any others? |
| 06:38.30 | valdyn | eshaase: bittorrent |
| 06:38.31 | markybob | eshaase, i dont know. i dont use p2p |
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| 06:43.19 | ACU01 | markybob: and others: thanks - I will sleep over it and think - what I see the only serious difference is that the Gateway hard disk is PATA and 4200 rpm - and I know also that HP service is absolutely outstanding - |
| 06:43.47 | ACU01 | and their HDD are SATA 5400 rpm |
| 06:44.06 | ACU01 | good nite |
| 06:44.18 | markybob | see ya |
| 06:44.20 | Tigger_ | nite nite ACU01 :) |
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| 06:48.13 | kingsley_ | Why does the following use of the "par" command insert spaces into its output? |
| 06:48.24 | kingsley_ | echo -e "[1].\n[2]." | par |
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| 06:49.56 | youkd | how can add input device ? (/dev/input/eventX) |
| 06:50.39 | valdyn | !wayttd youkd |
| 06:50.40 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, youkd? |
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| 06:52.17 | youkd | i'm load touchscreen driver and wanna add /input/eventX for use at directfb |
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| 06:59.41 | nescius | does apt-get have a repackage option? like making a deb package from already installed one? |
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| 07:05.57 | jetscreamer | eshaase: azureus |
| 07:06.31 | jelly-home | nescius: use dpkg-repack package for that |
| 07:06.51 | nescius | oh, thanks |
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| 07:07.17 | nescius | i am also looking for php4-cli for woody |
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| 07:09.48 | nescius | i removed every repositories in my system and left only archive set on woody, but it doesnt have this package in repositories |
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| 07:12.03 | eshaase | jetscreamer: ? |
| 07:12.08 | eshaase | jetscreamer: oh |
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| 07:14.37 | yoint717 | can someone please tell me what SmcOpenConnection failed means |
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| 07:15.36 | dimir | Moin! |
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| 07:16.24 | vivid | hello, ive just installed etch from a netinst and im having issues with no sound. Which packages do i need to install to get a working sound system? |
| 07:16.46 | yoint717 | anyone know why my SmcOpenConnection is failing? |
| 07:18.40 | yoint717 | xorginfo |
| 07:22.11 | cahoot | vivid: install alsa-utils and run dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 07:27.52 | jae | Safety: do your own firewall thing |
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| 07:32.23 | jelly-home | nescius: there's only php4-cgi in woody afair |
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| 07:33.07 | chronographe1 | hi all, anybody know a irc room about virtual box? |
| 07:33.16 | chronographe1 | or a good resource? |
| 07:33.23 | nescius | jelly-home, indeed, i thought that its an actuall error, well, another sleepless night.. thank you anyway |
| 07:33.56 | chronographe1 | nvm |
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| 07:37.23 | colera | okay so now i have the ipw2200 drivers installed and i used modprobe to load them but when i type iwconfig there it just says: no wireless extensions |
| 07:37.26 | colera | ? |
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| 07:47.41 | bintut | anyone here tried emdebian? |
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| 08:07.56 | factor | i switched from amd to intel and my bootup gives me problems mounting root kernel panic cant munt vfs on root 3,54 |
| 08:08.34 | factor | i can boot my knoppix,but its root is not hd based |
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| 08:09.43 | sep | factor, perhaps you have a amd kernel installed ? |
| 08:09.46 | sep | k7 ? |
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| 08:10.03 | factor | at the prompt i even put in the root=0354 |
| 08:10.04 | cahoot | would that even start ? |
| 08:10.14 | sep | factor, or your initrd dont contain drivers for your hardware |
| 08:10.32 | factor | drives z |
| 08:10.37 | sep | cahoot, who knows- i know none that have tested such a thing :) |
| 08:10.56 | factor | sorry on my phone right now |
| 08:11.02 | factor | my hd setup is the same |
| 08:12.00 | factor | and i have even chrooted and placed the knoppix kern and modules on the drive |
| 08:12.13 | factor | same prob |
| 08:13.05 | factor | it boots fine just does not get root fs |
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| 08:14.55 | factor | could i add something on the lilo prompt to grab root |
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| 08:16.33 | factor | like init= something |
| 08:16.53 | sep | factor, boot livecd, mount your drives, chroot into it, and install a generica 386/486 kernel and try to boot that. |
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| 08:17.09 | sep | factor, you have ofcourse checked that the kernel you use have drivers for your hardware right ? |
| 08:18.06 | factor | yes knoppix has my fs capabilites as well as my orig kern |
| 08:18.19 | maddash | i'm getting strange characters in mrxvt (ie, when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, the ncurses frame isn't properly rendered as in xterm) - anyone know how to fix this? |
| 08:19.32 | factor | linux finds the hard drives and partitionms |
| 08:20.10 | factor | just does not get the root fs mounted |
| 08:24.08 | factor | actual error - VFS cannot open root device "0354" or unknown-block(3,84) please append a correct"root=" boot option |
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| 08:27.04 | streuner | factor: use Knoppix-Live-CD to chroot the box and install another kernel, update your bootloader. |
| 08:27.26 | factor | that is what i did |
| 08:27.34 | factor | same problem |
| 08:27.42 | streuner | what kind of CPU do you have? |
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| 08:28.05 | factor | p4 cele |
| 08:28.18 | factor | was a k7 |
| 08:28.35 | streuner | just use a i386 |
| 08:28.43 | ManuP | MSG ManuP test |
| 08:28.43 | streuner | or such |
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| 08:29.12 | factor | knoppix should be that right |
| 08:29.35 | factor | iam trying to use the knoppix kerel |
| 08:29.41 | streuner | no |
| 08:29.49 | streuner | Don't do that! |
| 08:30.16 | factor | so chroot and recompile |
| 08:30.22 | streuner | no |
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| 08:30.38 | streuner | chroot and install via apt-get install <kernel> |
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| 08:30.48 | Gnea | factor: if you use a knoppix kernel with your debian install, we will not support you. |
| 08:30.58 | factor | heh |
| 08:31.08 | cahoot | *we*? |
| 08:31.16 | Gnea | #debian |
| 08:31.31 | factor | hold on let me try the apt-get |
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| 08:32.49 | Gnea | using knoppix to get the system to work is fine, just don't want to use a knoppix-based kernel with a debian system - creates too many problems :) |
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| 08:34.21 | Gnea | factor: because your hardware changed, other things are affected as well - using an AMD-based kernel on an Intel-system *will* result in instability |
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| 08:40.31 | factor | apt-getting |
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| 08:42.09 | aronofsky | Hi, im tryin to install debian on soft raid partition, so I create a raid volume for / and a simple ext3 part for /boot on my first disk but It doesnt seem to work, when creatin partition it tells me :"failed to create a file system : The ext3 file system creation in partition #2 of IDE1 master(hda) failed" ... what is the proper way to do that ? |
| 08:42.18 | factor | does debian have any of the 3d desktops available |
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| 08:43.10 | streuner | it's possible to use them in Debian |
| 08:43.19 | maddash | factor: sudo aptitude install 3ddesktop |
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| 08:44.06 | factor | still installing kern only one term |
| 08:44.09 | baggend | factor: compiz is currently available in unstable, and beryl is awaiting upload. |
| 08:44.15 | factor | fifo |
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| 08:44.27 | factor | cool |
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| 08:45.18 | kirc5467 | k |
| 08:45.23 | aronofsky | anyone about my soft raid problem, im really stuck here |
| 08:45.27 | baggend | aronofsky: Is hda part of the RAID setup? |
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| 08:49.38 | aronofsky | baggend, actually yes, i created raid volume for / on hda/hdb and then a simple ext3 partition on hda for /boot |
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| 08:50.48 | WuPeak | hi there. i have a virtual server. now i'm wondering if there is a possibility to backup the whole system over the internet to my harddisk as an image. |
| 08:50.57 | WuPeak | so that in case of a problem, i can restore the system with this image... |
| 08:51.01 | WuPeak | is this possible? |
| 08:51.09 | baggend | aronofsky: Can you put the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' and 'fdisk -l /dev/hdb' up on pastebin so I can take a look? |
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| 08:52.04 | maddash | h3xis: north carolina state u? how's it there? |
| 08:52.05 | baggend | WuPeak: I'm not sure what you mean by "virtual server". Can you be more specific? |
| 08:52.28 | h3xis | maddash, wet :| |
| 08:52.49 | maddash | h3xis: :P it's snowy up here. |
| 08:52.59 | h3xis | :< |
| 08:53.01 | h3xis | you suck |
| 08:53.07 | h3xis | it's not cold enough here |
| 08:53.12 | h3xis | it's about 43 now |
| 08:53.15 | WuPeak | baggend: it's a guest system on which i have root access over ssh |
| 08:53.46 | factor | ok rebooting |
| 08:53.52 | maddash | h3xis: bah. this snow will only last a couple of days. after that, it's brown slushy-land |
| 08:53.54 | aronofsky | baggend, actually i cat because it refuses to create partitions so the command doesn't give anything |
| 08:53.55 | baggend | WuPeak: But it's a guest system that's being virtualized via something like qemu, vmware, etc? |
| 08:54.23 | WuPeak | baggend: yes it is. but i do not know the virtualization tool |
| 08:54.27 | h3xis | maddash, hm yeah. it's just been raining the past few days and has been very windy |
| 08:54.27 | baggend | aronofsky: 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' as root doesn't give any output? |
| 08:54.30 | factor | no same problem |
| 08:54.45 | h3xis | maddash, warm enough to wear shorts :D |
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| 08:54.53 | factor | kernpanic cannot opoen root device |
| 08:55.15 | baggend | WuPeak: Well, the best way to get the image then would be to have whoever is running the host OS to just send you a snapshot of the disk. Otherwise, you could use something like rsync to dump into a local tar file. |
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| 08:55.50 | dromer | hi, I accidentally upgraded firefox to the 2.0.0.1 iceweazel package. how can I go back to 1.5? |
| 08:55.55 | baggend | WuPeak: Keep in mind that with the latter option, the system wouldn't be in a perfectly consistent state. Files that changed during the copy process may or may not be up to date on your local copy. |
| 08:56.07 | maddash | h3xis: you suck. |
| 08:56.12 | h3xis | ^^ |
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| 08:56.26 | aronofsky | baggend, no , as soon as the disk isn't partitioned yet |
| 08:57.08 | factor | iam now using linux-image-2.6.18-686 |
| 08:57.34 | WuPeak | baggend: i think rsync is what i need. i just need a snapshot of the system if in case i missconfigure something, i can get the original back...$ |
| 08:58.03 | baggend | aronofsky: Sounds like hda got taken offline for you by virtue of being in your RAID set. In that case, you'll either need to set up /boot on another disk that isn't set up as part of a RAID array, or focus on setting the system to boot to software RAID. |
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| 08:59.18 | aronofsky | baggend, ok , i aint got no other disk available so solution 2 ... what should I do, recreate initrd image with raid modules ? |
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| 08:59.34 | baggend | WuPeak: Well, if you can, go for the option of having the person running the host server give you some sort of backups. The IDEAL situation is to have a live image (easy enough to do in virtualization software) of your box. |
| 08:59.52 | baggend | WuPeak: rsync won't give you that, but it's a good 2nd choice if the first isn't an option. |
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| 09:00.33 | WuPeak | baggend: ok. i'll get in touch with the offerer. thx |
| 09:00.47 | baggend | aronofsky: http://deb.riseup.net/storage/software-raid/ |
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| 09:01.57 | baggend | aronofsky: I believe that most of the stock Debian kernels already have support for software RAID compiled, so you shouldn't need to mess with your kernel or your initrd. |
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| 09:02.55 | aronofsky | baggend, because I already try to boot on raid device and it doesn't work so there must have something to change |
| 09:03.26 | baggend | aronofsky: What error do you get when booting to RAID? |
| 09:04.04 | aronofsky | baggend, no boot device available or somthing like that |
| 09:04.26 | baggend | aronofsky: Is it a grub error or a kernel error? |
| 09:05.22 | anapivirtua_ | Hi all |
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| 09:07.11 | aronofsky | baggend, dont really know , when I boot i directly got the following message : "No bootable device - insert boot disk and press any key" |
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| 09:07.59 | baggend | aronofsky: That means that you don't have a bootloader set up correctly. You need to get grub installed and working. See the link that I sent you earlier. It has directions on how to set grub up to work with a software RAID setup. |
| 09:08.19 | aronofsky | baggend, so I got to use a livecd to do so |
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| 09:08.28 | factor | ok i am off to sleep |
| 09:08.38 | streuner | sleep well |
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| 09:09.45 | baggend | aronofsky: Yup, either a livecd or if you have another disk in the system with a bootable installation. You could do it just using one of the debian installer disks, but it would be harder than it needed to be. |
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| 09:13.49 | chronographe1 | hi all can someone tell me how to unmount my lexmark usb printer? |
| 09:14.35 | chronographe1 | or get the bloody thing working? |
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| 09:15.37 | baggend | chronographe1: Lexmark makes a lot of printers. :) Which one are you using? |
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| 09:17.06 | xand | how do you "unmount" a printer |
| 09:17.07 | xand | ? |
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| 09:17.55 | chronographe1 | the z65 it suck to get working in linux |
| 09:18.16 | chronographe1 | i dont know, i want to get the bloody lexmark working through a virtualbox xp machine |
| 09:19.08 | stefano | hello everybody. I'm going to ask something esotic, but interesting: do you think it could be possible to boot an entire system from a directory? I mean: I have a usbdisk and I'd like to install a whole debian sid inside the /debian/ of that disk. So I'll have a /debian/usr, /debian/dev and so on....how could it be done?chrooting from an initramfs script? |
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| 09:19.40 | chronographe1 | i got a driver for lexmark z65 (for linux and all!) but its a bit overwhelming trying to change it with alien and everything... i hav eyet to find a good guide to doing it. |
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| 09:20.10 | baggend | stefano: You wouldn't even need to chroot it. As long as the USB stick is bootable, you can define / to be whatever you darned well please. :) |
| 09:20.20 | baggend | chronographe1: What's it called? |
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| 09:20.39 | maddash | baggend: pray tell how, without chroot |
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| 09:20.54 | chronographe1 | z65 is what its called |
| 09:21.14 | stefano | baggend: so it's easier than I expected...but how could I do it? something to tell grub? |
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| 09:22.08 | baggend | maddash: By specifying a root device as a kernel boot option and fixing up your fstab. |
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| 09:22.30 | maddash | baggend: but how would you access the shell in the first place? |
| 09:22.42 | baggend | stefano: Well, you'd need to make the USB stick bootable. Unfortunately, I can't say much about the specifics, but I'm sure google can help you. :) |
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| 09:23.14 | baggend | maddash: You wouldn't need to get to the shell. If you're setting the system up on a USB stick you could edit the files before actually booting to it. |
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| 09:23.42 | stefano | baggend: I could make it bootable. it's working fine (I've also tried with encrypted root) but the problem is that I don't know how to tell it to set the root to /dev/sda1/[somedir]... |
| 09:24.14 | carlsen | trying to set-up ipsec-vpn. got a doc fr the web titled: Creating a radius based VPN with support for Windows clients. Don;t know when it was written but is the set-up still as complicated today? |
| 09:24.17 | solemnwarning | Is there any software I can use to setup a DNS server on my machine that relays DNS lookups over a socks proxy? |
| 09:24.36 | carlsen | it is a Debian Admin doc. |
| 09:24.44 | baggend | stefano: Oh yeah... I forgot a detail... :) |
| 09:25.07 | stefano | baggend: :-) |
| 09:25.24 | aronofsky | baggend, actually I dont really what I should change on my grub to boot on raid as soon as the link you provide talks about modifying grub in case of first disk failure |
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| 09:26.41 | baggend | stefano: Well, ok... I have a crazy idea and a not so crazy idea. The crazy idea involves setting up your fstab to mount /dev/sda1 as root, and then to do a bind mount (see man mount) from /somedirectory to /. |
| 09:26.49 | baggend | stefano: I'm not sure if it would work... but it might... :) |
| 09:27.24 | baggend | stefano: The other option would be to edit your initrd image and have it mount /dev/sda1 and then chroot to /somedir. That's the 'sane' alternative. (But I think the first one is cooler... if it works.) |
| 09:27.52 | carlsen | has anyone here set-up ipsec-vpn? |
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| 09:28.57 | baggend | aronofsky: Come to think of it, how did you build this system in the first place? Did you just install from a Debian install CD and never got it to boot after that? |
| 09:29.22 | aronofsky | baggend, yes exactly |
| 09:30.06 | stefano | baggend: I think the first one could work...I'm going to try. The second one is the one I was thinking...I'm going to try now and let you know. Just the time to debootstrap on my disk :-) |
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| 09:30.06 | baggend | aronofsky: Hmm... debian-installer should have taken care of getting grub set up properly for you. You partitioned both disks as RAID volumes and told the installer to install grub to them? |
| 09:30.15 | Gnea | wow, exim4 is actually sucking ass for once |
| 09:30.39 | Gnea | tried searching google and got crap - nothing that really explains it nor solves it |
| 09:30.51 | baggend | stefano: Yeah, definitely /msg me with what you find out. (I'll probably be in bed by then.) I'm very curious to see if the bind mount idea works. :) |
| 09:30.58 | streuner | What kind of problem, Gnea? |
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| 09:31.02 | Gnea | lowest numbered MX record points to local host: <-- this is bullshit, nothing is pointed at localhost |
| 09:31.05 | aronofsky | baggend, actually the installer propose me to install grub automatically on master device, i just said yes |
| 09:31.16 | stefano | baggend: don't worry, I'll inform you! :) |
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| 09:31.57 | stefano | baggend: I think the first one could work:I've used the bind mount on my amd64 and it used to work...but let's see |
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| 09:32.11 | DeliPenguen | hi hi hi |
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| 09:33.12 | baggend | aronofsky: Hmm... well, what I would suggest before messing around with trying to set up grub manually, would be to do a clean reinstall of Debian. Repartition the disks, set them up as RAID devices, get grub installed, etc. If it still doesn't work then go to other options. I've set up a couple of systems with bootable software RAID just using the Debian installer and they've always worked for me. |
| 09:33.34 | baggend | stefano: I use the bind mount thing all the time, but I've never used it to remount root back on top of itself. :) |
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| 09:33.57 | DeliPenguen | i couldn't fix my segmentation fault errors :( |
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| 09:34.19 | DeliPenguen | some applications gives segmentation fault |
| 09:35.00 | aronofsky | baggend, I just reinstall and its the same, maybe i did something wrong but i dont see what |
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| 09:37.30 | baggend | aronofsky: Looks like you're not the only person with this problem. Take a look at this: http://valery.bgit.net/blog-en/2006/07/30/debian-installer-sata-and-software-raid/ |
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| 09:37.41 | baggend | (luckily there's a solution in there) |
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| 09:38.51 | baggend | Gnea: We're going to need a bit more info before we can try and help you. When is the error happening, how is exim setup, etc. |
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| 09:44.14 | Gnea | baggend: exim4 is setup as an internet site with the error occurring on any incoming email |
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| 09:44.27 | Gnea | baggend: using sarge+backports |
| 09:45.11 | baggend | Gnea: Is exim giving you the error or are you getting it on the remote machine doing the sending? |
| 09:45.12 | streuner | and those packages are from backports.org? |
| 09:45.55 | Gnea | baggend: again, this is with recieving. sending produces a different error. |
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| 09:47.29 | baggend | Gnea: Judging by the error it sounds as though exim doesn't know that it IS the domain the mail is headed to. |
| 09:48.00 | Gnea | baggend: i'm inclined to agree. i can't seem to figure out how to troubleshoot it any further. |
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| 09:48.11 | baggend | baggend: There's a setting in exim where you tell it what domains it is the final point for. Lemme dig it up really quick. |
| 09:48.18 | Gnea | it should simply work because everything else is setup correctly. |
| 09:48.33 | Gnea | yeah, it's in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 09:48.38 | Gnea | and that is setup correctly. |
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| 09:49.06 | Gnea | well, it should be setup correctly |
| 09:49.14 | baggend | Gnea: Yup. Under dc_other_hostnames. |
| 09:49.34 | baggend | Gnea: What address are you sending mails to to receive this error? |
| 09:49.41 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 09:50.57 | jelly-home | Is it normal that aptitude changelog doesn't work for packages in experimental? |
| 09:50.57 | jelly-home | E: Couldn't fetch URL http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/x/xine-lib/xine-lib_1.1.4-2/changelog |
| 09:50.58 | Gnea | baggend: gnea@garson.org |
| 09:52.27 | baggend | Gnea: So just to get the two obvious bits out of the way, is 'garson.org' part of dc_other_hostnames, and is gnea either a local user account or listed in /etc/aliases? |
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| 09:52.45 | baggend | Gnea: Make that 3. And have you restarted exim since making the last config change. |
| 09:53.46 | Zaggynl | How do I force x-window-system to use 1280x1024? |
| 09:54.01 | Zaggynl | It defaults to 1024x768, but my laptop can do 1280x1024 |
| 09:54.07 | psyche__ | Zaggynl open x config |
| 09:54.10 | psyche__ | or... |
| 09:54.11 | Zaggynl | xorg.conf? |
| 09:54.15 | streuner | !drxx Zaggynl |
| 09:54.15 | dpkg | Zaggynl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 09:54.19 | psyche__ | do you have xorg or xfree86? |
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| 09:54.25 | Zaggynl | xorg |
| 09:54.36 | maddash | does anyone else see boxes with little numbers inside? "छोडà¥à¤¦à¥ˆà¤›" |
| 09:54.37 | GhostlyDeath | hey |
| 09:54.42 | IdahoEv | if "top" shows that 426MB of my 512MB RAM is used, but there are few processes and none is using more than 2k, how do I figure out what is using up that memory? |
| 09:54.46 | Zaggynl | maddash, yup |
| 09:54.59 | psyche__ | Zaggynl: then use dpkt-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:55.03 | Zaggynl | okay |
| 09:55.07 | maddash | IdahoEv: `free` and read the +/- cache line |
| 09:55.08 | psyche__ | Zaggynl: then use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:55.09 | Gnea | baggend: no, garson.org is part of dc_relay_domains |
| 09:55.16 | IdahoEv | maddash: thanks |
| 09:55.32 | Gnea | baggend: yes, gnea is a local user and i restart exim everytime there's a config change |
| 09:55.34 | baggend | maddash: Nope. I see what looks like... Hindi I think? I'm not sure. But you probably just don't have the right fonts installed. |
| 09:56.06 | Gnea | baggend: garson.org is a domain, not a hostname, so it doesn't belong in dc_other_hostnames |
| 09:56.25 | petemc | it belongs in local_domain s |
| 09:56.27 | baggend | Gnea: Yes it does. It's the endpoint domain for incoming emails. The dc_other_hostnames line is misleading. |
| 09:56.41 | Gnea | i see. ok, i'll try that |
| 09:56.44 | maddash | baggend: any clue how i could fix this? |
| 09:56.46 | IdahoEv | maddash: can you translate that +/- cache line for me? |
| 09:56.55 | ma3x | why the hell every time I open firefox, it says connecting to firefox? |
| 09:57.05 | ma3x | it tries to open firefox from the addressbar |
| 09:57.19 | cydork | IdahoEv: top can sort by memory usage too! press M while running top |
| 09:57.22 | IdahoEv | ma3x: it is probably calling home to check the version number |
| 09:57.27 | baggend | baggend: Yup, just install the appropriate fonts. :) But your next question is going to be "What are the appropriate fonts" to which I'll say "I don't know". :) |
| 09:57.36 | Gnea | baggend: bam, that did it. thank you :) |
| 09:57.45 | baggend | maddash: Umm... that line where I just talked to myself... that was supposed to be to you... :) |
| 09:57.49 | ma3x | IdahoEv: so it's always unable to connect |
| 09:57.52 | baggend | Gnea: Awesome, glad to help. :) |
| 09:57.53 | maddash | IdahoEv: ok... |
| 09:58.02 | IdahoEv | cydork: got that - that's why I asked, because very few procs in top show memory usage, they should add up to about 35k total |
| 09:58.12 | Gnea | baggend: extremely funny, considering #exim couldn't field the question |
| 09:58.16 | streuner | !baggend++ |
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| 09:58.35 | maddash | baggend: nice one . :P your conjecture is correct, though. |
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| 09:58.47 | Gnea | !beer baggend |
| 09:58.51 | baggend | maddash: I can tell you that in my case I just did a search for xfonts packages and installed pretty much all the ones that I found. |
| 09:58.53 | stefano | baggend: not working...the system tries to mount the /proc /sys /dev BEFORE going to the bind... |
| 09:58.56 | IdahoEv | top says 426MB are used, and I have a binary that needs 300MB to run happily. i'm wondering why the mem is not free since nothing else is running. |
| 09:58.56 | petemc | Gnea: stop talking shit, i suggested the domain needed to go in local_domains, which is the common answer to that common error |
| 09:58.57 | baggend | Mmm, tasty! :) |
| 09:59.15 | maddash | baggend: that must've put a dent on your HD |
| 09:59.24 | petemc | Gnea: and the dc_ is debian specific, its not part if exim config |
| 10:00.05 | baggend | maddash: Well... I've got a terabyte of disk space so... a very small dent... :) |
| 10:00.31 | Gnea | petemc: if i was lying, i'd be talking shit. however, i'm telling the truth. |
| 10:00.47 | petemc | Gnea: you dont know what you're talking about, is the problem |
| 10:01.02 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 10:01.05 | IdahoEv | my binary (a chess AI) is running hella slow because it starts swapping to disk. it needs those 300MB of physical mem to be fast. so I want to know why my system thinks they are used up already. |
| 10:01.41 | maddash | baggend: "near-infinity" would've sufficed. |
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| 10:01.52 | Gnea | petemc: oh okay, i help over 20 people out per week, and the one time that i have a problem, someone actually helps me out - not only do i get the help, but they're able to work with my frustration |
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| 10:02.07 | helloyo | you know when you go through a hundred distros in a frantic attempt to find your ideal distro? well i think mine is debian |
| 10:02.21 | baggend | maddash: Actually, it looks like it's not really all that bad. My entire /usr/share/fonts is only 222 MB. |
| 10:02.48 | baggend | helloyo: Welcome! Some of us have known that longer than others, but everyone learns it sooner or later. :) |
| 10:03.04 | maddash | baggend: wow....my etch setup is < 4G |
| 10:03.04 | amphi | helloyo: what took you so long? ;) |
| 10:03.05 | Gnea | petemc: at any rate, the problem is solved, and now i know the difference between the debian-specifics of exim. thank you |
| 10:03.24 | streuner | that wasn't the 'right' word... |
| 10:03.32 | streuner | dude |
| 10:03.33 | IdahoEv | maddash: http://pasteserver.net/250 |
| 10:03.56 | helloyo | baggend: amphi: haha, i've used it on and off for years now, but i always get distracted by flashy effects, and then i realise i want a straightforward system that just works as i want it to: debian |
| 10:04.04 | ix | Soo... when booting over network, I only need to compile one driver as a module, and subsequently have to create a single-module initrd. Are there any good guides on how to make initrd-images around? |
| 10:04.07 | IdahoEv | The above is with essentially nothing running but a couple of ssh shells. (no GUI) |
| 10:04.25 | maddash | amphi! guess what? i finally fixed my fn+f3 problem! |
| 10:04.48 | amphi | maddash: I didn't know you had one ;_ |
| 10:04.51 | amphi | ;) |
| 10:04.59 | baggend | maddash: Not counting /home, I'm only up to 5.6GB. That's a fully up to date sid system with a handful of experimental packages thrown in. |
| 10:05.15 | maddash | IdahoEv: according to your text dump, those tiny programs you tell of are using 166480 KB of phys mem. |
| 10:05.16 | amphi | maddash: it was more than trap tha acpi event and do foo? |
| 10:05.19 | baggend | helloyo: If you want flashy effects 'apt-get install compiz' :) |
| 10:05.27 | Gnea | !initrd |
| 10:05.27 | dpkg | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 10:05.41 | stefano | baggend: wanting to use the chroot script on initrd...which could be the correct point to put it? local-top? |
| 10:05.54 | helloyo | baggend: hehe, i'm currently on the latest sabayon, so i have all the flash i can handle, but its too much too keep track of... |
| 10:05.55 | IdahoEv | maddash: so why is "used" = 425748? |
| 10:06.05 | maddash | amphi: yeah. i wanted fn+f3 to blank the screen such that any other user input would cause it to unblank (like in windows). this can only be done with `xset dpms force off` |
| 10:06.06 | Gnea | ix: check that url that dpkg just put out - it explains it all |
| 10:06.06 | ix | Gnea: thanks |
| 10:06.11 | IdahoEv | maddash: never mind, d\id the math |
| 10:06.18 | Gnea | oh yes, email is flooding in now |
| 10:06.24 | Gnea | and my spam filter is going nuts |
| 10:06.39 | amphi | maddash: uhuh |
| 10:07.08 | amphi | maddash: you just been blank, or turn off the backlight? |
| 10:07.23 | baggend | Gnea: Maybe you should re-break it... unless you really need some Xanax. :) |
| 10:07.34 | maddash | amphi: backlight. |
| 10:07.48 | baggend | stefano: Hmm... good question.... |
| 10:07.55 | maddash | amphi: anyway, pressing fn+f3 used to do nothing, and /var/log/acpid would yield yield "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server " in |
| 10:08.05 | maddash | amphi: r/in/ |
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| 10:08.30 | JJ|Laptop | does anyone know what a perfect square polinomial is and how to find it? |
| 10:08.40 | maddash | amphi: so i'd have to `xhost +local:root` after every boot so that fn+f3 would do it's job. but this is no longer the case. |
| 10:08.40 | aronofsky | baggend sorry still me, when i try to do "device (hd0) /dev/sda" i got : "Error 15: File not found"... I dont understand |
| 10:08.41 | amphi | maddash: how bizarre |
| 10:09.53 | baggend | JJ|Laptop: Nope, but Google gave me this: http://www.wtamu.edu/academic/anns/mps/math/mathlab/col_algebra/col_alg_tut7_factor.htm |
| 10:09.58 | maddash | amphi: the key is to insert at the top of the handler script: "export XAUTHORITY=/home/myself/.Xauthority" |
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| 10:10.37 | baggend | aronofsky: That page is for using RAID with SATA drives. I think you're using IDE, so you'd be doing "device (hd0) /dev/hda" |
| 10:11.13 | amphi | maddash: I'm not clear what you're doing; having fn-f3 toggle backlight on/off works for me |
| 10:12.14 | maddash | amphi: your backlight turns back only if you press fn+f3 again |
| 10:12.16 | baggend | stefano: I'm still reading, I didn't forget about you. |
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| 10:12.49 | amphi | maddash: that's what I mean by 'toggle' |
| 10:12.54 | maddash | amphi: open a cli and try out "xset dpms force off" |
| 10:13.03 | stefano | baggend: I think I know where to put it. it should be on local-bottom and, there, I give a mount -o bind |
| 10:13.11 | Crypticfortune | anyone familiar with ldap? I'm trying to get my debian box to authenticate via our lab ldap server, but i rebooted and now get "Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." whenever i try to login... |
| 10:13.12 | amphi | maddash: why? I'm happy with how it behaves |
| 10:13.36 | baggend | stefano: Sounds good to me. :) |
| 10:14.06 | aronofsky | baggend, no im using sata but it seems disks are on hda, strange |
| 10:14.20 | stefano | baggend: I don't know if I should consier "mount -o bind /debian/ /" or "/root/debian/ /root/", because I think we're still in init's directory treee |
| 10:14.34 | Crypticfortune | i dont know what authentication service is failing or why...it's not really a detailed error.... |
| 10:14.56 | maddash | amphi: i take it that you've never used windows on your thinkpad? |
| 10:15.04 | baggend | stefano: I think it would be '/root/debian /root'. This is all getting executed from within initrd. |
| 10:15.34 | maddash | amphi: or pressed fn+f3 from inside of windows? it's different from the setup you have |
| 10:15.43 | baggend | Crypticfortune: I think it's the pam LDAP module that's failing to contact your LDAP server. |
| 10:16.31 | stefano | baggend: sounds good. let's try :) |
| 10:17.22 | aronofsky | baggend, another strange thing , when I do "root (hd0,0)" ( my raid part is on hda1 ) it tells me it has deteced ext3 partition and no "type 0xfd (Linux RAID Autodetect)" as it should |
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| 10:17.55 | stefano | baggend: YES!!!! It's working! :-) |
| 10:18.23 | baggend | aronofsky: Hmm... |
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| 10:18.34 | stefano | baggend: /root/debian /root is the key |
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| 10:19.09 | baggend | aronofsky: Well, I'm running out of ideas, but I did find this. Look down to section 3) of the initial message. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=251905 |
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| 10:19.38 | baggend | stefano: Awesome! :) So you've now got a fully bootable USB stick with debian installed under /debian? |
| 10:19.45 | baggend | stefano: Where can I download it? :) |
| 10:19.53 | pif | hi, what is the firmware location in debian? |
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| 10:20.02 | RubenGA_ | Hi |
| 10:20.03 | pif | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.08 | stefano | baggend: yes. I've a lacie 40 GB hard drive with a debian sid installed in /debian and booting it |
| 10:20.19 | wols | got a problem with a WLAN acx111 PC Card. driver seems to be OK and after a /etc/init.d/networking restart it triess to connect to the AP. when it does, I get the error auth FAILED: peer sent response code 12(Assoc denied (reason outside of 802.11b scope) -- maybe MAC filtering by peer?) still waithing for authentication |
| 10:20.42 | wols | thing is, MAC filtering is off and even if, the MAC of the card is entered into the AP |
| 10:20.42 | stefano | baggend: I think I'll make it available and write a little howto to put in some debian wiki... |
| 10:21.25 | baggend | pif: Yup, /lib/firmware |
| 10:21.26 | wols | pif: /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 10:21.32 | wols | at least that worked for me |
| 10:21.41 | petemc | depends on the kernel version |
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| 10:21.51 | wols | 2.6.20.1 |
| 10:21.55 | wols | here |
| 10:22.03 | petemc | you used hotplug woth 2.6.20? |
| 10:22.18 | scx | no man no... |
| 10:22.21 | baggend | stefano: Let me know when you get the writeup done and I'll put a link up to it on my blog. |
| 10:22.26 | scx | oops, wrong chan :p |
| 10:22.30 | ma3x | wols: where did u get 2 6 20 ? it ain't released yet in sid |
| 10:22.40 | wols | installed sarge and made a new kernel to be able to load acx111 |
| 10:22.45 | stefano | baggend: sure. and thank you! :) |
| 10:22.49 | wols | ma3x: kernel.org as always |
| 10:22.54 | baggend | scx: Yes man, yes! ;) |
| 10:22.56 | ma3x | wols: is there a .deb? |
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| 10:23.09 | wols | yes. on my harddisk, made with kernel-package |
| 10:23.16 | baggend | stefano: Glad to help. That's a very cool setup. :) |
| 10:23.23 | ma3x | wols: wireless sux. get ethernet |
| 10:23.27 | wols | and compiled for me only, no unnecessary drivers (for my hardware) |
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| 10:24.01 | ma3x | wols: I got acx111 chip too - one wall and it reduces the speed from 10 to 4 mbits |
| 10:24.05 | baggend | wols: Are you that desperate for HD space that you can't build a few "unnecessary" drivers? |
| 10:24.27 | stefano | baggend: the power of the free Oses is in doing strange things and make it work. Now I can install different Linux systems in the same file system, just with one command in initramfs. Cool...really cool! |
| 10:24.34 | wols | baggend: I'm desperate for cpu cycles. 300MHz PII |
| 10:24.55 | scx | !yes |
| 10:24.56 | dpkg | really??? wohoo! |
| 10:25.21 | wols | baggend: I'm considering a serious attack of gentoo ricerness by recompiling everything that could be speed critical |
| 10:25.23 | baggend | stefano: Very cool. But, really, why would you want to boot to anything other than Debian? ;) |
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| 10:25.32 | slacker_nl | hello |
| 10:25.35 | petemc | wols: surely installing a packaged kernel takes less cpu cycles than compiling one? |
| 10:25.36 | baggend | wols: You said it, not me... ;) |
| 10:25.37 | slacker_nl | does anyone know a good howto/tutorial for encrypting a livecd (bootable linux cd)? |
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| 10:26.12 | wols | petemc: yes, but I needed the acx driver anyways, and I always compile my own |
| 10:26.37 | wols | I know it's not necessary anymore, but it just "feels right" |
| 10:26.53 | stefano | baggend: nope...but I can install stable,unstable and testing on the same part. Or i386 and amd64 without having too many partitions (or VMs) around. And, above all...on my usb disk without having all those boot, dev, etc, on my root |
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| 10:26.58 | dav_ | elo |
| 10:27.24 | baggend | wols: Oh good, you're not another ricer. :) I was waiting to hear something along the lines of "unnecessary modules will slow down my kernel". :) I always knew Debian users were smarter than the average bear... :) |
| 10:27.24 | wols | but that all doesn't solve my pronblem: any insight in the error message above from acx? that auth failed thing to the AP? |
| 10:27.42 | dav_ | i have established a vpn link (ppp over ssh) between two computers how can i do to route all my traffic(net traffic through the vpn), the interface is ppp0 and the server is 10.0.0.1 |
| 10:27.59 | wols | baggend: well, they might slow the machine down by eating memory. and the 6.4 hdd is no biggie either :P |
| 10:28.04 | dav_ | in that way i will have a wifi enrypted +wep security |
| 10:29.00 | wols | but my main goal is really going all out ricing and hopefully being able to watch a movie on that box :) |
| 10:29.19 | baggend | stefano: I had a not-nearly-as-cool setup for a while on my system with 3 different /root partitions, and a separate partition for holding /etc /tmp and /boot that got shared by all 3. |
| 10:29.43 | baggend | stefano: But I've since gone to pure amd64 and hardly use the others at all. Though I do keep one of them around as a chroot. |
| 10:30.10 | Gnea | dav_: route 0.0.0.0/1 and 128.0.0.0/1 to the server |
| 10:30.11 | baggend | wols: Movie on a 300? Well... maybe... but not fullscreen. :) |
| 10:30.26 | baggend | wols: Unless your screen's 3 inches. :) |
| 10:30.30 | wols | please don't shatter my illusions. they're fragile! :P |
| 10:30.38 | Gnea | dav_: if you want a truely encrypted wifi link, disable wep and setup openvpn ;) |
| 10:30.41 | stefano | baggend: same setup here. I'm using pure amd64 (except for iceweasel for the flash plugin...) and have a chroot ia32 but I don't use it at all... |
| 10:30.47 | dav_ | Gnea, hum i tried to do route add default gw 10.0.0.1 what was done but the traffic continued to go through the old (unencrypted interface) |
| 10:30.58 | baggend | stefano: Hmm... I take it you haven't heard about nspluginwrapper yet? :) |
| 10:31.04 | amphi | wols: if the card has 2d accel, and you use the xv driver, you might be ok |
| 10:31.07 | dav_ | Gnea, i have done it but i have the same problem with openvpn for routing ALL the traffic |
| 10:31.10 | stefano | baggend: ...no... |
| 10:31.26 | baggend | stefano: Google it... you can thank me after you get back from YouTube. :) |
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| 10:31.30 | amphi | wols: not for the more cpu-heavy codecs though, obviously |
| 10:31.32 | wols | In reality I want to get the biggest movie display I can scrounge from thwat hardware. but that will mean compiling my own mplayer, glibc, kernel, etc |
| 10:31.47 | stefano | baggend: great! and, don't ask me why, it's already installed here... |
| 10:32.04 | Gnea | dav_: like this: ip r a 0.0.0.0/1 via 10.0.0.1 dev ppp0 |
| 10:32.11 | baggend | So anyone know how to teach dpkg about things? nspluginwrapper would be a good thing for it to learn about. |
| 10:32.24 | Gnea | baggend: yeah |
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| 10:32.59 | Gnea | i don't see a debian package |
| 10:33.13 | dav_ | Gnea, doesn't work |
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| 10:33.27 | Gnea | dav_: don't forget to route all of 128.0.0.0/1 to there too |
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| 10:33.44 | dav_ | Gnea, no i works but i tried to connect to 192.168.10.3 other ip of the server and it continued to use the old route |
| 10:33.45 | Gnea | dav_: your default should remain the same as originally set |
| 10:34.07 | Gnea | dav_: the 128 takes care of private address space |
| 10:34.11 | dav_ | Gnea, because when i do who on the shell it says connection coming from 192.168.10.blab |
| 10:34.29 | maddash | is it "DEB-ian," "deb-IAN," or "DEEB-ian"? |
| 10:34.34 | baggend | !nspluginwrapper |
| 10:34.34 | dpkg | well, nspluginwrapper is at http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ |
| 10:34.37 | baggend | Sweet. :) |
| 10:34.42 | Gnea | maddash: deb-ee-an |
| 10:35.29 | Crypticfortune | if i took out all references to ldap from my /etc/nsswitch.conf file, it shouldnt even be trying to access ldap on logon anymore, right? |
| 10:35.38 | stefano | baggend: mmm...my amd64 iceweasel detects the flash plugin but I can't see any flash on any flash page... |
| 10:35.44 | Crypticfortune | or does /etc/pam.d/ stuff still matter? |
| 10:35.58 | maddash | Gnea: i've been muttering "DEEEB-ee-an" to myself all day. geez |
| 10:36.02 | scx | who am I |
| 10:36.02 | baggend | stefano: Hmm... but about:plugins shows it as being loaded? |
| 10:36.02 | Gnea | dav_: i gave up on ssh+ppp long ago, it's too primitive - openvpn is much better for what you want to do, and it supports the routing properly |
| 10:36.06 | dav_ | gnea: it is making me crazy no way to route the complete traffic :( |
| 10:36.07 | scx | !who am I |
| 10:36.08 | dpkg | scx shut up, you are a nobody |
| 10:36.18 | stefano | baggend: it shows the flash plugin but not the nspluginwrapper |
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| 10:36.30 | dav_ | gnea: do you have script of that type you can give me for client/server |
| 10:36.49 | Gnea | dav_: no, you'd have to read and learn how to set it up |
| 10:36.51 | Gnea | !openvpn |
| 10:36.56 | Gnea | errr |
| 10:37.01 | Gnea | http://openvpn.net |
| 10:37.04 | Gnea | and apt-get install openvpn |
| 10:37.06 | dav_ | gnea: i lost a least 2 night to do it |
| 10:37.07 | baggend | stefano: It should say something along the lines of "Shockwave Flash" "Filename: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so" |
| 10:37.29 | Gnea | dav_: well, you'll need to take the time to get it up and running at your leisure then, sorry |
| 10:37.35 | scx | Impresive bot! can I find the source code somewhre? |
| 10:37.37 | Gnea | openvpn is not for the squeemish |
| 10:37.57 | baggend | !openvpn |
| 10:37.57 | dpkg | i heard openvpn is at http://openvpn.net |
| 10:37.59 | stefano | baggend: no...it says about the flash and nothing else. I think it doesn't see the plugin...now I try to tweak |
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| 10:38.56 | baggend | stefano: I had to manually put mine in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins. Also make sure that you copy flashplayer.xpt in there with it. |
| 10:39.02 | Gnea | dav_: and i don't say that lightly - there's no end-all solution with openvpn, but there's lots of documentation, mailing lists and whatnot out there that you can use to get it up and running |
| 10:39.14 | stefano | baggend: yes, I think I have to do it |
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| 10:39.34 | baggend | stefano: Look at /usr/share/nspluginwrapper/README.Debian for a few more details if you haven't already. |
| 10:40.03 | baggend | umm, /usr/share/doc/nspluginwrapper/README.Debian is what I meant. |
| 10:40.07 | baggend | forgot the doc |
| 10:40.55 | baggend | Wow, it's 2:40 in the morning... well all, it's been fun, but I'm going night-night. |
| 10:41.15 | geo-rge | is there also night-day? |
| 10:41.35 | baggend | geo-rge: Oh yes... I've done that too many times... especially after drinking all night. :) |
| 10:42.03 | geo-rge | well I'm with ya bro... gotta get up tomorrow |
| 10:44.01 | rhalff_ | hi is there a way to get the mac address from an attached machine which doesn't have an ip address assigned ? |
| 10:44.09 | rhalff_ | would like to try wake on lan on it. |
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| 10:44.47 | geo-rge | rhalff_: it would be a lot easier if you have physical access to the machine as well as admin access |
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| 10:46.32 | rhalff_ | geo-rge, I have, but it's kinda far away :) |
| 10:47.11 | geo-rge | ahh, convenience issue |
| 10:47.25 | rhalff_ | geo-rge, but what utility can I use ? |
| 10:47.39 | rhalff_ | probably won't work anyways, just wanna see if I can see it. |
| 10:47.40 | geo-rge | theres a utility? |
| 10:47.40 | stefano | !nspluginwrapper |
| 10:47.52 | streuner | rhalff: ifconfig ;-) |
| 10:48.04 | stefano | goodnight baggend ! |
| 10:49.34 | baggend | stefano: Gnight. And I just updated nspluginwrapper in dpkg. |
| 10:49.38 | baggend | !nspluginwrapper |
| 10:49.39 | dpkg | well, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with Flash and a few others. Debian packages are available at http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/projects/nspluginwrapper/ |
| 10:49.54 | rhalff_ | ah well, will never install a new kernel again and just do a reboot, because it will probably work.. :p |
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| 10:50.01 | baggend | And now I'm really going to bed. :) |
| 10:50.13 | stefano | baggend: good! goodnight and thank you! |
| 10:51.01 | Gnea | now that's awesome |
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| 11:10.39 | scx | !woman is a great package but it doesnt come with Howto-s or even with documentation |
| 11:10.39 | dpkg | ...but woman is already something else... |
| 11:10.49 | scx | !woman is also a great package but it doesnt come with Howto-s or even with documentation |
| 11:10.50 | dpkg | scx: okay |
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| 11:11.23 | ManuP | how do i disable the shit-backspace shortcut. i hate it when i type it by accident. |
| 11:11.52 | Eclipser | shit-backspace o.O |
| 11:11.56 | Gnea | scx: enough. |
| 11:12.22 | ManuP | lol, sorry. |
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| 11:12.27 | ManuP | how do i disable the shift-backspace shortcut. i hate it when i type it by accident. |
| 11:12.34 | ManuP | so, thats right *g* |
| 11:12.49 | Gnea | there's a shift-backspace shortcut? |
| 11:13.10 | ManuP | Gnea, type it and see what is happening... but save all applications before *g* |
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| 11:13.20 | Gnea | ManuP: where? |
| 11:13.35 | Gnea | i typed it and nothing happened |
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| 11:13.40 | ManuP | Gnea, what where? |
| 11:13.50 | DeliPenguen | ManuP, what is it doing? |
| 11:13.52 | Gnea | ManuP: i think you're assuming that everyone has the same setup as you |
| 11:13.53 | ManuP | Gnea, it should restart your X-Server. |
| 11:13.58 | Gnea | ManuP: are you in X? |
| 11:14.01 | Gnea | nope |
| 11:14.03 | DeliPenguen | it is control alt backspace |
| 11:14.04 | Eclipser | ctrl+alt+backspace kills it |
| 11:14.04 | GhostlyDeath | He's in Y |
| 11:14.06 | ManuP | Gnea, jip |
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| 11:14.08 | Gnea | that's what ctrl-alt-backspace is for |
| 11:14.08 | geo-rge | what where who why which when how |
| 11:14.22 | Gnea | where did you get shift from? |
| 11:14.29 | GhostlyDeath | ctrl+alt-delete |
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| 11:14.39 | ManuP | Eclipser, at my system (shit)shift Backspace RESTARTS X |
| 11:14.52 | GhostlyDeath | - is usually sequence, while + is all at once |
| 11:14.53 | Gnea | ManuP: using what window manager? |
| 11:15.01 | ManuP | Gnea, gdm |
| 11:15.08 | Gnea | ManuP: gdm isn't a window manager. |
| 11:15.18 | Gnea | !gdm |
| 11:15.18 | dpkg | [gdm] the Gnome Display Manager. A gnome based display manager based on xdm, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind.. see gdm fix, or uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession, or kicks ass!, or (a word that You can confuse with "gpm", gpm is that thingy to have mouse cursor in text console) |
| 11:15.26 | ManuP | is it enougth to delete TerminateServer in my xmodmap? |
| 11:15.28 | GhostlyDeath | My window manager is prboom |
| 11:15.29 | Gnea | 2 entirely different things. |
| 11:15.36 | ManuP | Gnea, ehmm.. .then metacity i think. |
| 11:15.41 | DeliPenguen | i loved dpkg :) |
| 11:15.42 | ManuP | !metacity |
| 11:15.42 | dpkg | somebody said metacity was a lightweight, "crack free" windowmanager for gnome2 which nobody makes documentation on |
| 11:16.13 | maddash | "crack free"? |
| 11:16.17 | Gnea | ManuP: then you need to modify the keybindings for metacity |
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| 11:16.28 | Gnea | "free crack" |
| 11:16.34 | maddash | !xdm |
| 11:16.34 | dpkg | xdm is probably the X windows login screen you might see every time you boot up. If you don't like it and want to just boot into console mode, you can read /usr/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ for a full explanation, or just 'dpkg --purge xdm', or 'apt-get remove xdm' (yes it's safe to remove task-x-*) |
| 11:16.47 | ManuP | Gnea, what about changing the Xmodmap? |
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| 11:16.59 | Gnea | ManuP: i don't run that crap, i wouldn't know |
| 11:17.23 | ManuP | Gnea, aha... how do you configure your keyboard? |
| 11:17.24 | GhostlyDeath | W Server > X Server |
| 11:17.30 | ManuP | !xmodmap |
| 11:17.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session |
| 11:17.37 | Gnea | ManuP: using E17's keybinding feature |
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| 11:17.56 | GhostlyDeath | !kde |
| 11:17.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 11:17.57 | ManuP | Gnea, what is E17? |
| 11:18.02 | cahoot | ManuP: you're you haven't done some modifications yourself - that keycombo just produces an annoyed beep here |
| 11:18.04 | Gnea | xmodmap is only necessary for keys that don't have a default value, like a multimedia keyboard |
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| 11:18.13 | Gnea | ManuP: a really nice window manager |
| 11:18.17 | Gnea | !enlightenment |
| 11:18.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, e is from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite, or http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
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| 11:18.33 | scx | kwin |
| 11:18.34 | ManuP | Gnea, ah.. enlightenment. heard of it. |
| 11:18.55 | Gnea | ManuP: E17 is still DR17 (development release) so it's not ready for public consumption at this time |
| 11:19.05 | ManuP | Gnea, "silly bulky, overdone wm" *g* but also "best looking" |
| 11:19.11 | Gnea | that's why everyone's still using win95 knock-offs :) |
| 11:19.33 | ManuP | lol |
| 11:19.35 | scx | will E17 ever be ready? |
| 11:19.38 | Gnea | ManuP: it's gotten much better - still looks good, but is also lean and slick these days |
| 11:19.53 | Gnea | scx: will suse last another 20 years? |
| 11:19.54 | maddash | !wdm |
| 11:19.54 | dpkg | i guess wdm is at http://linux.prodepi.com.br/projects.html (xdm replacement) or to fix, apt-get install libpam-pwdb |
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| 11:20.00 | maddash | !find libpam-pwdb |
| 11:20.09 | scx | Gnea: ? |
| 11:20.15 | Gnea | scx: exactly. |
| 11:20.22 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libpam-pwdb' returned no results. |
| 11:20.30 | maddash | someone (dondelelcaro) should fix dpkg |
| 11:20.34 | scx | Gnea: what's your problem? |
| 11:20.44 | scx | Gnea: I'm not attacking you |
| 11:20.50 | ManuP | Gnea, cool... when i need a small wm i would use fluxbox. |
| 11:20.54 | ManuP | !fluxbox |
| 11:20.55 | dpkg | fluxbox is, like, a forked off blackbox and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
| 11:20.57 | Gnea | and i'm not defending myself |
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| 11:21.11 | Gnea | ManuP: yeah, fluxbox is tight |
| 11:21.13 | dondelelcaro | ManuP: ? |
| 11:21.18 | dondelelcaro | s/ManuP/maddash/ |
| 11:21.22 | ManuP | dondelelcaro, ? |
| 11:21.24 | maddash | ManuP: even fluxbox is bloated in the light of icewm |
| 11:21.40 | maddash | dondelelcaro: fix !wdm |
| 11:21.54 | ManuP | maddash, knoppix uses icewm, doesnt it? |
| 11:22.06 | maddash | ManuP: kde, the last time i tried it |
| 11:22.10 | dondelelcaro | maddash: why don't you fix it? |
| 11:22.22 | maddash | dondelelcaro: i'm not an op |
| 11:22.28 | dondelelcaro | maddash: you don't need to be. |
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| 11:23.06 | Gnea | here, i'll fix it |
| 11:23.06 | maddash | dondelelcaro: you're the only one i've seen telling dpkg to ~=s/.../.../g |
| 11:23.06 | beau | can someone help me get gtkpod to see my ipod? |
| 11:23.06 | maddash | dondelelcaro: can you show me how? |
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| 11:23.07 | dondelelcaro | maddash: /msg dpkg help |
| 11:23.11 | Gnea | !wdm |
| 11:23.12 | dpkg | well, wdm is at http://linux.prodepi.com.br/projects.html (xdm replacement) or to fix, apt-get install wdm |
| 11:23.18 | ManuP | lets try if it works.. otherwise i get disconnected.... |
| 11:23.52 | maddash | Gnea: that makes no sense. |
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| 11:24.07 | Gnea | maddash: what should it be? |
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| 11:24.55 | amphi | maddash: in answer to your earlier question, no, I have not run ms windows on this laptop |
| 11:24.58 | Gnea | oh ok, i see |
| 11:25.17 | Gnea | !wdm |
| 11:25.17 | dpkg | from memory, wdm is at http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ (xdm replacement) or to fix, apt-get install wdm |
| 11:26.02 | maddash | amphi: i see. |
| 11:26.44 | amphi | maddash: I fdisked it and the 'hidden' partition away at once |
| 11:27.14 | maddash | amphi: ouch! so your belly button does nothing at boot time? |
| 11:28.10 | amphi | maddash: you mean the 'abscess ibm' button? |
| 11:28.25 | ManuP | why doesnt this work: bindkeyspath = $HOME/.xbindkeysrc if [ -f $bindkeyspath ]; then xbindkeys $bindkeyspath fi |
| 11:28.33 | geo-rge | boot belly BAUH! |
| 11:28.42 | amphi | maddash: in any case, I've put another hd in this since then |
| 11:28.52 | maddash | amphi: s/belly/blue/ geez. |
| 11:29.18 | maddash | amphi: how's the new one compare to the old one? |
| 11:29.24 | amphi | maddash: in X, it launches an xterm for me; in console I haven't thought of a use for it |
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| 11:29.34 | maddash | Gnea: how'd you feed the new info to dpkg? |
| 11:29.35 | amphi | maddash: it's bigger ;) |
| 11:29.46 | Gnea | maddash: very carefully :) |
| 11:29.58 | amphi | with a long spoon? |
| 11:30.03 | beau | anyone know how to get my ipod working with gtkpod? |
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| 11:30.08 | maddash | amphi: :P ditto, in X, but what about boot time? it doesn't bother you? |
| 11:30.09 | Gnea | maddash: if you know how to manipulate an infobot, then it's cake |
| 11:30.20 | Gnea | beau: nope, don't own one |
| 11:30.22 | amphi | maddash: what doesn't bother me?? |
| 11:30.54 | maddash | amphi: your numbed blue access ibm key |
| 11:31.14 | amphi | maddash: what should I want it to do? |
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| 11:32.07 | maddash | amphi: boot to safety? |
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| 11:32.32 | amphi | maddash: boot to safety? what on earth do you mean? |
| 11:33.29 | GhostlyDeath | boot so you don't die |
| 11:33.39 | GhostlyDeath | or something |
| 11:33.41 | beau | has anyone here ever mounted an ipod? |
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| 11:33.59 | GhostlyDeath | has anyone here ever mounted a NES? |
| 11:34.22 | maddash | amphi: safety partition. you realize that if something goes wrong (eg, mbr gets splashed), your thinkpad is bricked, right? unless you've got your thinkpad recovery cd's. |
| 11:34.29 | Gnea | beau: you're better off just stating what your exact problem is. you wont' get any decent or helpful response asking if anyone's done anything. |
| 11:35.18 | beau | I cant get gtkpod to mount my ipod will someone help? |
| 11:35.21 | amphi | maddash: wtf? if the mbr has a problem, I boot from a cd and fix it |
| 11:35.32 | Gnea | !tell beau about ask |
| 11:35.45 | Gnea | beau: please, ask appropriately and do not ask so often. |
| 11:35.48 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 11:35.48 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 11:36.28 | maddash | amphi: oops. i meant that you could never upgrade your bios. |
| 11:37.51 | amphi | maddash: ah, perhaps, I'm not sure about that - the bios, such as it is, seems ok, so that's not a big worry IMHO |
| 11:38.44 | maddash | amphi: wireless bug.? fan control update.? |
| 11:39.37 | maddash | amphi: ie, http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-59096.html |
| 11:40.26 | beau | can someone tell me how to mount a drive or staorage device? |
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| 11:40.59 | ktwilight | beau, man mount |
| 11:41.08 | beau | or can someone tell me how to see what drives are mounted on my system |
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| 11:41.24 | cahoot | just type mount |
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| 11:42.02 | amphi | maddash: I have a T42, and like I said, everything works ok |
| 11:42.10 | cahoot | beau: /msg dpkg usbstorage |
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| 11:43.28 | mic_p | Hi to all. I just re-compiled a 2.6.20.1 kernel for my debian, following the varios "debian way" how-to. All work except the IDE channel (cdrom and disk), so now /dev/hdXXX device. Where I have to see for make them work? |
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| 11:43.50 | wols | what IDE controller do you have? |
| 11:43.52 | maddash | amphi: i forgot. in that case, you're fairly bug-free. |
| 11:44.40 | wols | and if you don't have access to your harddisk and cdrom, you get a kernel panic at boot, what does it say? |
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| 11:45.03 | amphi | maddash: so it would seem |
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| 11:51.12 | ma3x | wols: how do you install 2.6.20? is there a deb? or you have to compile it? |
| 11:51.15 | gopss | not sure |
| 11:51.38 | liable | compile atm |
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| 11:52.56 | mic_p | wois: I have an Nvidia MCP55. With the etch kernel, all work. |
| 11:53.40 | mic_p | wois: I have not kernel panic, because I have the HD root on the a s-ata controller that work. |
| 11:56.12 | GhostlyDeath | My wireless stopped working |
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| 11:57.47 | beau | can someone please help me mount a usb storage device (ipod) |
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| 11:58.31 | GhostlyDeath | My wireless drivers stopped loading.. |
| 11:58.43 | x_link | Is it possible to have to many repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 11:58.56 | ktwilight | beau, check which device it is via dmesg |tail then mount it |
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| 12:01.25 | beau | ktwilight : thank you, can you walk me through that? |
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| 12:01.25 | ktwilight | yes, dmesg | tail then check what device it is, then mount it. |
| 12:01.25 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 12:01.25 | mic_p | x_link, of course. Simply put them on the sources.list and apt-get update |
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| 12:02.07 | beau | I did the dmesg part now what? |
| 12:02.07 | beau | total n00b please be patient |
| 12:02.07 | ktwilight | oh |
| 12:02.09 | qRohde | hi. I got a "tiny" question. I got a computer, it has no cd-drive and no space for one. I don't have an external drive and I want to install Debian on it. What do I do? (I got a ethernet-interface and a 128 mb usb memory-stick if it can help) |
| 12:02.12 | Gnea | !anybody |
| 12:02.13 | beau | it says this : USB Mass Storage device found at 5 |
| 12:02.22 | x_link | mic_p: I know how to add a repo, but can /etc/apt/sources.list be "full"? |
| 12:02.22 | x_link | So that I can't add anymore repos. Or I can add how many I like? |
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| 12:02.36 | ktwilight | beau, paste it all up at www.rafb.net/paste |
| 12:08.20 | Gnea | x_link: no, it can't be 'full', only 'redundant' |
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| 12:08.21 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:08.24 | mic_p | x_link: did you receive some errors? I haven't seen errors that become from a "full" repo list, except that that you can solve with the APT::Cache-Limit "42123456"; (or higher) number in your apt-conf |
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| 12:17.37 | scx | what the hell was that? |
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| 12:19.33 | Gnea | netsplit |
| 12:19.33 | itchi | bananasplit :-) |
| 12:19.34 | Gnea | haha |
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| 12:19.38 | mic_p | so, no one can help me with my kernel-problem? |
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| 12:19.55 | cahoot | mic_p: if you choose to compile a kernel it's only you that can really make it work - looks like you need add support for your sata |
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| 12:19.56 | |ac3| | I have a dhcp-pxe-nfs server capable of serving images over pxe. How can i boot knoppix from pxe? |
| 12:19.56 | |ac3| | I cannot seem to find a good howto concerning this |
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| 12:19.57 | tenzing_ | hi .. is there locale chooser for firefox/iceweasel in debian repo? |
| 12:19.58 | sep | |ac3|, well you know it might be a good idea to ask the knoppix guyes about that ? try in the channel #knoppix |
| 12:19.59 | mic_p | cahoot: yes, sure! But I copy the "old" .config from the 2.6.18 and re-compile following the "debian-way", so I except that all work. My sata work but not my ide, and on my new config my ide are selected (M) |
| 12:20.00 | qRohde | can I via my other computer install a Debian install-cd on a partition on my harddisk via my other computer? |
| 12:20.00 | mic_p | cahoot: expect, not except :) |
| 12:20.00 | cahoot | mic_p: there's been a change in the config wrt sata |
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| 12:20.02 | cahoot | mic_p: doh - disregard |
| 12:20.03 | Gnea | mic_p: you should run make oldconfig first - you can still continue with the debian-way after |
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| 12:20.04 | GhostlyDeath | help! |
| 12:20.06 | mic_p | Gnea: thanks! I'll try. |
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| 12:20.07 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: ? |
| 12:20.08 | cahoot | mic_p: if you made ide M you need an initrd I guess |
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| 12:20.10 | angerman | man I love my VPS... |
| 12:20.10 | |ac3| | sep: they are asleep:) |
| 12:20.10 | angerman | it feels like umount is going to suck big time ... |
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| 12:20.12 | GhostlyDeath | ipw3945 doesn't work |
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| 12:20.13 | liable | GhostlyDeath: yes it does |
| 12:20.14 | Gnea | never used ipw3945 |
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| 12:20.15 | angerman | what can I do from virtuozzo, if only: init, umount (2x) runs? |
| 12:20.15 | mic_p | cahoot: |
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| 12:20.16 | mic_p | cahoot: sorry :). I'll make it as statically compiled now. |
| 12:20.16 | sep | |ac3|, then i guess you must use their email list, or simply wait until they awake |
| 12:20.18 | angerman | umount -avt noproc,nonfs,nosmbfs is climbing slowly ... but steadyly... |
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| 12:20.20 | angerman | anyone? |
| 12:20.20 | angerman | I've tried sending SIGKILL and SIGTERM to the process. but as usualy with umount nothing works |
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| 12:20.20 | angerman | hmm okay. waiting 25minutes made the system figure out something was nuts and killed it ;) *yey* |
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| 12:26.09 | GhostlyDeath_ | son of a bitch... |
| 12:26.09 | User90 | anybody can say me how i can view my versión of my linux for command? |
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| 12:26.31 | GhostlyDeath_ | I got no damn sound at all |
| 12:26.40 | Gnea | User90: the debian version or kernel version? |
| 12:26.53 | User90 | de distro of linux versión |
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| 12:26.59 | Gnea | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:27.34 | GhostlyDeath_ | How do I get sound? |
| 12:27.41 | GhostlyDeath_ | and how do I get my damn wireless working? |
| 12:27.53 | Gnea | bang your head against a hallow wall |
| 12:28.06 | Gnea | j/k |
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| 12:28.26 | me-here | LOL |
| 12:28.32 | me-here | oh man |
| 12:28.46 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: just setup alsa and look for some docs on your wifi nic |
| 12:28.53 | GhostlyDeath_ | ALSA is set up |
| 12:29.02 | Gnea | then sound should be working |
| 12:29.08 | GhostlyDeath_ | it's not |
| 12:29.08 | roym | Hi all, how can I get rid of packages that show up as "rc ..." in dpkg -l? |
| 12:29.15 | GhostlyDeath_ | Wireless and Sound were working before |
| 12:29.29 | GhostlyDeath_ | after the KDE startup sound played, everything went splat |
| 12:29.31 | litage_ | the keyboard on my laptop no longer works in kdm or even tty1. how can i figure out what's going on? |
| 12:29.31 | Gnea | then you'll need to re-set it up |
| 12:29.31 | User90 | thank you Gnea |
| 12:29.52 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: what changed? |
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| 12:30.14 | GhostlyDeath_ | wireless stopped working |
| 12:30.16 | GhostlyDeath_ | after a reboot |
| 12:30.24 | Gnea | why did you reboot? |
| 12:30.35 | GhostlyDeath_ | to shut my computer off? |
| 12:30.48 | Gnea | that would be a shutdown, not a reboot |
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| 12:30.50 | Gnea | 2 different things |
| 12:30.55 | GhostlyDeath_ | well |
| 12:30.58 | GhostlyDeath_ | I hiberanated |
| 12:30.59 | xored | iam iam running a debian box with mysql5 with < 10 customers and suddenly, mysql takes around 80% of the CPU all the time. Any suggestions? how could i debug ? |
| 12:31.02 | GhostlyDeath_ | then after that I restarted |
| 12:31.12 | GhostlyDeath_ | it shuts the system off then back on |
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| 12:31.22 | Gnea | xored: #mysql |
| 12:31.34 | xored | Gnea: iam asking there too, thank you |
| 12:31.40 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath: using what branch? |
| 12:31.46 | GhostlyDeath_ | branch? |
| 12:31.50 | Gnea | !branch |
| 12:31.50 | dpkg | [branch] what version of Debian you're using: sarge/stable, etch/frozen, sid/unstable |
| 12:31.55 | GhostlyDeath_ | etch |
| 12:32.00 | Gnea | oh |
| 12:32.08 | Gnea | what kernel? |
| 12:32.23 | GhostlyDeath_ | 2.6.18 probably |
| 12:32.25 | GhostlyDeath_ | amd64 |
| 12:32.30 | Gnea | oh |
| 12:32.31 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 12:32.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing ... |
| 12:32.57 | xored | !mysql |
| 12:32.59 | xored | ;) |
| 12:34.04 | GhostlyDeath_ | 2007-02-26 07:33:26: ERROR: Could not find Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection |
| 12:34.05 | roym | Sorry to have to ask again, but how can I get rid of packages that show up as "rc ..." in dpkg -l? |
| 12:34.30 | Gnea | apt-get remove <package> |
| 12:34.42 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath_: is your web browser working? |
| 12:34.46 | GhostlyDeath_ | yes |
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| 12:34.55 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath_: did you run alsaconf? |
| 12:35.07 | roym | Gnea - thanks! |
| 12:35.29 | GhostlyDeath_ | it ran when I installed Linux |
| 12:35.48 | GhostlyDeath_ | guess Ill rerun it |
| 12:35.50 | ManuP | if i want to start a program for all users after logging in, where do i write this? |
| 12:35.53 | Gnea | good idea |
| 12:35.54 | roym | Gnea, sadly it says "Package XXX is not installed, so not removed"... |
| 12:36.09 | Gnea | roym: so what's the problem? |
| 12:36.12 | roym | I guess the rc means it hasn't yet been installed.. |
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| 12:36.22 | roym | I just need to clean out the dpkg listings |
| 12:36.37 | Gnea | it basically means it was once installed |
| 12:36.45 | Gnea | which is a good thing |
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| 12:36.57 | roym | Gnea, is there a purge or something? |
| 12:36.59 | Gnea | dpkg -l | grep ^ii <-- if you only want to list currently installed packages |
| 12:37.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep ^ii <-- if you only want to list currently installed packages |
| 12:37.19 | GhostlyDeath_ | programs take forever ot open |
| 12:37.21 | Gnea | roym: dpkg --purge <package> |
| 12:37.30 | Gnea | GhostlyDeath_: on an amd64? |
| 12:37.46 | GhostlyDeath_ | they usually don't take this long |
| 12:37.53 | roym | Gnea, that did it!! |
| 12:38.00 | Gnea | :) |
| 12:38.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | Still no sund |
| 12:38.42 | GhostlyDeath_ | sound* |
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| 12:40.24 | raf256 | !bitchslap Linus |
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| 12:40.36 | raf256 | "error 153" while making kernel - what the fuck |
| 12:40.58 | Folke | [Uptime: 6d 00:02:09] |
| 12:41.06 | raf256 | linux devels never heared of writting descriptive error messages? |
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| 12:41.56 | raf256 | !bitchslap binutil devels |
| 12:42.12 | fausto | hi someone can suggest me a good howto to create imap mailboxes "ham" and "spam" for the imap users of my server |
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| 12:42.52 | fausto | i need that when users open their mailbox with a client or horde imp they can see the folders |
| 12:43.09 | fausto | imap FOLDERS "ham" and "spam" |
| 12:43.12 | litage_ | sadfsdf |
| 12:43.34 | Folke | litage: Nice :) |
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| 12:45.40 | One_ | How can I change my nickname??? |
| 12:46.25 | ewanm89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.37 | HymnToLife | One_, /nick yourcoolnewnickname |
| 12:46.50 | One_ | ewanm89, HymnToLife Thanks!!!!!! |
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| 12:47.07 | cahoot | raf256: maybe you try that input in #kernelnewbies? |
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| 12:51.27 | raf256 | cahoot: I googled it - to old binutils |
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| 12:52.06 | OsBrEaKeR_ | can anyone help me http://pastebin.com/889216 |
| 12:52.42 | Od2 | Hi, I just wanted to ask if anyone has been experiencing SSH problems in testing? My connections have started dropping out if I leave it idle! |
| 12:52.57 | Crypticfortune | hmmm....so when i do "sudo ifconfig eth0 down" you'd expect that eth0 would stay down, right? why does it immediately come back up on it's own? |
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| 12:53.42 | Crypticfortune | Od2: try adding "ServerAliveInterval 30" to your .ssh/config |
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| 12:54.36 | Crypticfortune | Od2: (or "ssh -oServerAliveInterval=30 blahblah..." on the commandline) |
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| 12:54.47 | Od2 | Crypticfortune, thanks I will try that, it's only started happening recently so I thought it might be due to an upgrade. |
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| 12:57.10 | Crypticfortune | im still very curious why "ifconfig eth0 down" doesnt make eth0 stay down.... |
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| 12:57.50 | Od2 | If there are any screen (the console program) gurus, I have a weird problem with two near-identical servers. Resizing the PuTTY term in one fails to resize screen, but works in the other. All checked config files are the same. :S |
| 12:57.53 | sep | Crypticfortune, comment out the auto eth0 line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:58.35 | MoonDuck | Hi. In the installation process i was prompted to select certain package groups. How can I see that selection again? I'm looking for the easiet way to install a reasonably complete C/C++ development server.. |
| 12:59.09 | SlayerXP | MoonDuck: "aptitude install build-essential" is a starting place. |
| 12:59.17 | Od2 | MoonDuck, that was probably the 'tasksel' program |
| 12:59.35 | MoonDuck | thanks a lot guys |
| 12:59.36 | ManuP | how do i start a prgram (automatically) after logging in (gdm)? the setting should be the same for every user. |
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| 12:59.45 | Crypticfortune | sep: ahh thanks! |
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| 13:00.16 | MoonDuck | oh nice, it was tasksel, but no development menuitem ) |
| 13:00.17 | ManuP | i tried to edit /etc/X11/Xsession.. but it didnt work. |
| 13:00.27 | MoonDuck | i'll just apt-get the build-essential stuff |
| 13:00.30 | MoonDuck | thanks again! |
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| 13:01.30 | Crypticfortune | Od2: that's using the same version of putty in both cases? (ive noticed very different behaviour of screen with different versions of putty) |
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| 13:02.37 | Od2 | Crypticfortune, yep, both .58 and .59 have same behaviour |
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| 13:03.34 | Od2 | Just so bizarre that it works on one and not the other, I've checked the config files I can think of are identical (/etc/screenrc, /etc/bash*, ~/.bash*). |
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| 13:06.29 | Crypticfortune | Od2: all the putty options are the same too (like terminal settings)? (ie try: load session A, change the hostname to B, see if same thing still happens?) |
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| 13:08.04 | angerman | Am I right in assuming sarge comes with python 2.3? |
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| 13:09.23 | Od2 | Crypticfortune, yep, a clean PuTTY (just entering the hostname) has same result. I notice that the non-resizing one has a tendency to blank the display at the slightest provocation (minimize etc), you have to "Ctrl-A L" to get it back! |
| 13:10.57 | Crypticfortune | Od2: very strange...sorry. im out of ideas... |
| 13:11.09 | jelly-home | Od2: was $TERM when screen started the same? |
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| 13:12.02 | Od2 | Crypticfortune, no worries, thanks for trying, much appreciated. |
| 13:12.18 | Od2 | jelly-home, yep, PuTTY supplies 'xterm' to both |
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| 13:12.48 | jelly-home | Od2: you have a fresh screen in both, not some reattached session? |
| 13:13.17 | Od2 | It is weird, as the non-resizing server is also the one that drops the (LAN) connection if idle, only started doing that very recently. |
| 13:13.26 | Od2 | Yep, just typing 'screen' |
| 13:13.59 | Od2 | I think I shall go through screens extensive manual when I have the time! |
| 13:14.00 | raf256 | usser connected via ssh can not change his default shell? the shell will always be executed right as he connectes - so it can be used for security? |
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| 13:14.38 | Od2 | raf256, I think the user can just start a new shell from their current shell |
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| 13:14.46 | tenco | hi |
| 13:14.51 | jelly-home | Od2: were terminfo definitions for xterm tampered with? Are they the same? md5sum /usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm |
| 13:15.03 | raf256 | Od2: yes, but he will be audited by the first shell and no way to avoid that? |
| 13:15.07 | tenco | i configuring linux 2.6.20.1 for stable. do i have to enable sysfs support? |
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| 13:15.55 | raf256 | I want to log all what user is doing and be able to view his consoe live - howto? should I give him screen as shell? |
| 13:16.04 | Od2 | jelly-home, they are the same :(. I'm just gonna cry. |
| 13:16.11 | jelly-home | tenco: I think sysfs is strongly recommended, as some kernel configuration options are only available there |
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| 13:16.54 | tenco | jelly-home: it's deprecated and shouldn't be used |
| 13:17.33 | jelly-home | tenco: since when? |
| 13:17.33 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.42 | bkw | I found it in a log. |
| 13:18.17 | lero_ | hi. why debian create new symlinks when you update some package (e.g portmap) if you have removed it to not start? |
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| 13:18.33 | tenco | jelly-home: dunno. but linux's menuconfig told me that |
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| 13:19.05 | cahoot | tenco: fwiw I enabled it - didn't seem to do any harm |
| 13:19.06 | jelly-home | tenco: I have no idea, this must be new in 2.6.20 |
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| 13:20.01 | Od2 | bkw, I don't think so, it tries to run anacron and if that fails I think it will just try to run anything under /, don't *think* run-parts is recursive... |
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| 13:20.22 | Od2 | Od2, oh wait |
| 13:20.30 | Od2 | Od2, I got confused by the cd / |
| 13:20.32 | lero_ | hi. why debian recreate symlinks in rcX.d when you update some package (e.g portmap) if you have already removed it? |
| 13:20.49 | Od2 | Od2, it runs whatever is in /etc/cron.daily directory. |
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| 13:20.57 | Od2 | Doh |
| 13:21.01 | Od2 | I can't use IRC anymore |
| 13:21.03 | sep | lero_, why dont you just remove the package if your not going to run it anyway ? |
| 13:21.04 | Od2 | Talking to myself |
| 13:21.23 | Od2 | bkw, that speel was for you |
| 13:21.49 | lero_ | sep: i can't remove inetd ;) |
| 13:21.52 | bkw | ok |
| 13:22.00 | lero_ | many things depends on them |
| 13:22.06 | bkw | Od2: is anacron, cron? |
| 13:22.17 | lero_ | i just want to know why debian don't preserve my prefs. |
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| 13:22.54 | Od2 | bkw, it's similar, I believe anacron is a less rigorous cron, optionally installed for laptops or other computers that are off a lot. |
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| 13:22.59 | tenco | cahoot: jelly-home: since this is a router which is low on ram, i'll try it. at this time, i still have a monitor & keyboard attached to it |
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| 13:23.49 | jelly-home | lero_: it usually does... if some package upgrade recreated an /etc/rc?.d/ symlink, it's either a bug or a forced readdition for some good reason |
| 13:24.13 | solemnwarning | Are there any DHCP+DNS packages designed for easilly setting up a caching DNS server and a DHCP that are linked? |
| 13:24.16 | cahoot | jelly-home: my impression is that's recreating those are the rule |
| 13:24.26 | Thomas- | I have already installed debian etch on my computer successfuly, but now I formated my disk and I re-downloaded it but it can't install initframe-tools, how to do ? |
| 13:24.28 | solemnwarning | The ISC ones are a pain in the ass to configure for anything simple |
| 13:24.37 | Od2 | solemnwarning: dnsmasq |
| 13:24.48 | sep | lero_, instead of removing them, set them to Knn ? and it would be more sane to have it only listen on loopback then removing it if things depensd on it. |
| 13:24.54 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 13:24.58 | sep | in /etc/default/portmap |
| 13:25.06 | tenco | wth. have to enable compat_vdso. else i would need glibc 2.3.3 but stable ist 2.3.2. how old is stable? |
| 13:28.39 | Crypticfortune | one more question: how do i tell gnome to use sudo to authenticate root to do administrative stuff instead of su? |
| 13:28.40 | jelly-home | cahoot: maybe inetd is a special case, but I'm sure either the policy or update-rc.d doc mention custom updates to /etc/rc?.d/ links are to be preserved |
| 13:28.42 | cahoot | jelly-home: after doing update-rc.d remove <some serveice> those symlinks tend to get recreated when the pkg is updated |
| 13:28.42 | lero_ | jelly-home: all the upgrades i saw, it recreated rc?.d symlinks. it's a boring thing, to remove manually after each upgrade. |
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| 13:28.43 | jelly-home | lero_: did you delete all of /etc/rc?.d/???inetd ? Try leaving a dummy K* link alone. |
| 13:28.43 | Thomas- | I have already installed debian etch on my computer successfuly, but now I formated my disk and I re-downloaded it but it can't install initframe-tools, how to do ? |
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| 13:28.47 | jelly-home | lero_: from update-rc.d(8): If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d does nothing. |
| 13:28.58 | Od2 | Thomas-, what's an initframe-tool? |
| 13:29.54 | Thomas- | Od2 don't know, a package |
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| 13:30.12 | jelly-home | lero_: there's a whole paragraph discussing the issue in there |
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| 13:30.34 | vince36 | Thomas-, means initramfs-tool ? |
| 13:30.53 | Crypticfortune | ooo solved my own question. setting /apps/gksu/sudo-mode with gconf |
| 13:31.19 | lero_ | jelly-home: yeah i saw this thing to leave a K* in some directorie |
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| 13:31.52 | wols | ma3x: I compiled it to a deb |
| 13:32.11 | Thomas- | vince36 yes! |
| 13:32.56 | Deffie | hi all, can i relate network interfaces configuration with their mac addresses rather than their name ? or can i link all together ? |
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| 13:33.15 | ma3x | wols: where's it? |
| 13:33.41 | lero_ | but it is not the way that would have to be. |
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| 13:33.56 | Thomas- | I have already installed debian etch on my computer successfuly, but now I formated my disk and I re-downloaded it but it can't install initramfs-tools, how to do ? |
| 13:34.26 | Cholito | i have a bunch of files and I'm looking for a sentence in those files, how can I do that? =/ |
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| 13:34.34 | Cholito | I mean |
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| 13:34.42 | jelly-home | Cholito: grep? |
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| 13:35.01 | wols | question about WEP/wireless: when not using any encrpytion, in /etc/network/interfaces "wireless_keymode open" is all I need? |
| 13:35.02 | Cholito | yeah, but I need to know which file is the one it has that sentence |
| 13:35.13 | jelly-home | Cholito: man grep :-) |
| 13:35.22 | wols | cause for some reason, my driver (acx.ko) thinks there is WEP enabled and expects it |
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| 13:35.28 | uwe | hello, im trying to install oracle on debian etch on amd64, there are some packages here : http://oss.oracle.com/debian which are for i386, how can i tell apt to get those too and not try to find the amd64 ones. |
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| 13:36.27 | Cholito | jelly-home, cat -H =))) |
| 13:36.30 | Cholito | thanks |
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| 13:36.52 | stoned | trip> hmm i dont think i have used this body before. no... i never used this body before |
| 13:36.58 | uwe | and because the architecure doesnt match, but i have the ia32lib installed, can i make it just install it ? |
| 13:38.03 | jelly-home | stoned: wtf? |
| 13:38.44 | stoned | jelly-home: my thoughts exactly |
| 13:38.55 | ma3x | stoned is a serial killer |
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| 13:39.03 | stoned | ma3x: better watch out |
| 13:39.07 | stoned | btw good morning |
| 13:39.12 | stoned | beautiful day outside |
| 13:39.14 | ma3x | you sleep a lot |
| 13:39.14 | jelly-home | ... of common sense? :-) |
| 13:39.16 | stoned | smile on my face |
| 13:39.30 | stoned | ma3x: almost 8 in the morning, I went to bed around 10pm |
| 13:39.34 | stoned | its not much, like 10 hours |
| 13:39.58 | stoned | back to php tutorials and guidea I go |
| 13:40.00 | ma3x | yeah, i usually sleep 12 hours |
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| 14:07.45 | Internat-bed | that was a tad nasty\ |
| 14:07.45 | sidjster | holy crap |
| 14:07.47 | kon | holy crap indeed |
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| 14:08.01 | kon | *scrolls up a few* |
| 14:08.01 | stoned | dude |
| 14:08.01 | stoned | crap is crap |
| 14:08.01 | kon | oh my |
| 14:08.01 | stoned | holy or evil |
| 14:08.01 | kon | please |
| 14:08.01 | Internat-bed | and for the record i searched apt-get to see what duplicate finders it had fo rme, but they werent that crash hot |
| 14:08.02 | stoned | god's shit or the devil's |
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| 14:08.04 | stoned | shit is shit |
| 14:08.05 | sidjster | well if this is it ill see you guys on the other side |
| 14:08.05 | zOap | what the h is going on? ##php is unavailable and all channels are throwing people out? |
| 14:08.05 | kon | and shit happens |
| 14:08.06 | stoned | now, I like honeybee shit |
| 14:08.06 | kon | but it's better to smoke it |
| 14:08.06 | stoned | when bees shit, you get honey |
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| 14:08.07 | stoned | (not really but its funny to think of this way) |
| 14:08.07 | tenco | wth |
| 14:08.07 | kon | lol |
| 14:08.07 | stoned | :D |
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| 14:08.07 | jelly-home | stoned: they don't shit, they barf. |
| 14:08.08 | stoned | jelly-home: eitherway man, its bees' internal body fluids |
| 14:08.08 | stoned | we so enjoy |
| 14:08.09 | stoned | islamic holy book has an entire BOOK on the honeybee |
| 14:08.09 | jelly-home | stoned: yeah, same thing with a nice steak |
| 14:08.09 | stoned | its sacred |
| 14:08.09 | sidjster | every day all day honey in my tea bee barf |
| 14:08.10 | stoned | you'll burn forever if you kill a bee |
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| 14:08.10 | stoned | and you'll never get any more honey in eternity |
| 14:08.11 | stoned | and stuff |
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| 14:08.12 | ebw | What was that? A server down ? |
| 14:08.12 | solemnwarning | Can dnsmasq be configured to use a NAT gateway? |
| 14:08.12 | stoned | I once beat up a bee in my highschool. some dude in a constume. |
| 14:08.13 | ajs | Has anybody seen a case where Java can cause userspace (debian etch) to totally die? |
| 14:08.13 | stoned | ebw: which one? |
| 14:08.13 | solemnwarning | I don't see anything in dnsmasq(8) about gateways |
| 14:08.13 | Deffie | how can i relate ethernet interface names with their physical port ? |
| 14:08.13 | ajs | My flatmate runs one small Java program and I can't even login any more. |
| 14:08.13 | ajs | alt-sysrq e is the only way. |
| 14:08.13 | stoned | ajs: the java6 webstart has caused a full system lock many times |
| 14:08.14 | jelly-home | stoned: dude, there's a lot of nonsense in that book, a praise of honey sounds quite nice. |
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| 14:08.14 | sidjster | like die like write to bios rom never to be rebooted? |
| 14:08.14 | stoned | jelly-home: I won't go there. |
| 14:08.14 | ebw | stoned: I' meant all the connects and disconnects ? |
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| 14:08.15 | Od2 | solemnwarning, dnsmasq works with NAT, the 'masq' bit stands for 'masquerade'... |
| 14:08.16 | wols | solemnwarning: there is no need for that. what would it need a nat gateway for? |
| 14:08.16 | stoned | ajs: I use java purely as a user, and yeh, I dunno I think java6 hs bugs in sid which are horrible |
| 14:08.16 | solemnwarning | Maybe so the clients can actually access the net? |
| 14:08.17 | solemnwarning | It's not like clients can magically tell what IP the gateway is |
| 14:08.17 | stoned | ebw: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:08.17 | Od2 | solemnwarning, yeah they can, that's what DHCP is for :P |
| 14:08.18 | stoned | DHCP |
| 14:08.18 | stoned | nm |
| 14:08.18 | wols | they can. if you have set your NAT up properly |
| 14:08.19 | wols | there is such a thing called "default gateway" you know |
| 14:08.19 | stoned | I've got 9 clients on my lan |
| 14:08.19 | solemnwarning | So how do I tell dnsmasq what gateway address to give the clients? |
| 14:08.20 | stoned | sigh |
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| 14:08.20 | ajs | stoned, I see that here |
| 14:08.20 | Od2 | solemnwarning, well usually it is itself, but you'll have to read the manual for that, it's in the config file comments I believe |
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| 14:08.21 | ajs | stoned, kernel doesn't get touched (no OOM or anything similar) but it DoS's the userspace |
| 14:08.21 | ajs | I can't even login without killing everything |
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| 14:08.22 | mrcheeks | just wanted to let you know that the bug fix release of XPontus XML Editor is ready(http://xpontus.sf.net). There is a debian package for it |
| 14:08.22 | stoned | its a bitch isn't it aj |
| 14:08.22 | ajs | And confirmed, I'm using Java6 on testing (-t experimental) |
| 14:08.22 | stoned | ooh |
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| 14:08.22 | stoned | why from experimental? |
| 14:08.22 | ajs | Yeah, question is whose fault is it so I can moan to the right person. |
| 14:08.23 | stoned | ajs: you can't complain about experimental package, you can only file bugs and help to resolve them |
| 14:08.23 | ajs | Not really talking about debian. |
| 14:08.23 | ajs | I assume this is a kernel problem |
| 14:08.23 | ajs | Since no unprivileged userspace program should be able to DoS a server |
| 14:08.23 | stoned | I dont' think so, its a java problem I think |
| 14:08.23 | ajs | Regardless |
| 14:08.23 | ajs | It's kerenl |
| 14:08.23 | stoned | could be |
| 14:08.23 | ajs | ..kernel |
| 14:08.24 | ajs | Even if Java did the world's nastiest things, it isn't running as root |
| 14:08.24 | stoned | true |
| 14:08.24 | jelly-home | ajs: you can't blame kernel for an eg. fork bomb |
| 14:08.24 | ajs | jelly-home, it isn't a fork bomb. |
| 14:08.24 | ajs | This program does no forks |
| 14:08.25 | jelly-home | ajs: does it spawn zillions of threads? |
| 14:08.25 | ajs | no |
| 14:08.25 | stoned | whats it doing? |
| 14:08.26 | stoned | how you mean dos the userspace |
| 14:08.26 | stoned | how is it dossing |
| 14:08.26 | ajs | I mean it can run something that prevents other programs from being scheduled |
| 14:08.26 | jelly-home | ajs: so, what does it do? |
| 14:08.26 | ajs | so I have to sysrq E it |
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| 14:08.26 | ajs | Terming everything |
| 14:08.26 | ajs | Then getty gets respawned by init |
| 14:08.27 | ajs | and everything's rosy |
| 14:08.27 | jelly-home | ajs: have you tried stracing it? |
| 14:08.27 | ajs | no, it's hard to reproduce |
| 14:08.27 | ajs | you can run the same program 20 times without problems |
| 14:08.27 | ajs | obviously, sure, some java6 bug |
| 14:08.27 | ajs | but it's causing the kernel to do undesirable things |
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| 14:08.29 | Deffie | Deffie: how can i relate ethernet interface names with their physical port ? |
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| 14:08.31 | jelly-home | jelly-home: talking to yourself is dumb ;-) |
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| 14:08.32 | cahoot_ | Deffie, I think you only can do that if you know the mac and slot for each card |
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| 14:08.33 | stoned | jelly-home: you alright? |
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| 14:08.37 | Thomas__- | It's not the first time I install debian etch, I installed 4 or 5 successfully, but now when I install it on the same PC, it can't install initramfs-tools, I tryed to re-download the iso and re-burn it on a different CD, it is the same, I checked the md5sum, it is good, how to do ? |
| 14:08.38 | wols | is there an error message? |
| 14:08.40 | freetos | perhaps iraq's don't won't a police force, hear about the two women who blew up police station |
| 14:09.26 | Thomas__- | wols yes, Can't install initramfs-tools |
| 14:09.33 | jelly-home | freetos: did their explosive devices run debian? |
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| 14:10.19 | wols | is that initial base install or before? ie is it installed from a .deb or from the base tarball? |
| 14:10.20 | freetos | jelly-home, terrorist and governments alike choose linux;-) |
| 14:10.26 | abrotman | #politics ? |
| 14:11.06 | Thomas__- | wols it is in the install of the base, before it normally ask if I want the d-i to install web server or .. |
| 14:12.06 | wols | go to 2nd virtual console and try to install it there via dpkg if possinle |
| 14:12.36 | reparaz | Hi, can anybody confirm that ~/.bash_history is "-rw-rw----+ 1 root" by default in debian sarge? |
| 14:12.39 | Thomas__- | wols I don't know wtf, before the etch installer can install it.. |
| 14:12.45 | reparaz | I suspect I've a fascist sysadmin |
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| 14:16.03 | reparaz | anybody in sarge can confirm that ~/.bash_history is "-rw-rw----+ 1 root" ? |
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| 14:17.43 | loca|host | how can i reset my localtime ? i have it (UTC+0100) i would like to change it to GMT+2 |
| 14:17.57 | stew | reparaz: -rw------- 1 stew stew |
| 14:18.07 | stew | loca|host: tzconfig |
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| 14:18.25 | loca|host | stew, any difference between UTC+1 and GMT+1 ? |
| 14:18.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/fosdem2007/ |
| 14:18.39 | jelly-home | reparaz: if you're root and have ACL support on that filesystem, perhaps |
| 14:18.53 | stew | loca|host: yes. but i can never remember what it is |
| 14:19.50 | loca|host | stew, am allways getting (UTC+1), no GMT there |
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| 14:21.10 | jelly-home | loca|host: UTC is nowadays used as reference, so you probably want UTC+2 |
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| 14:21.48 | reparaz | jelly-home: I'm not root, I don't have root access, I suspect root is peeping and spying me |
| 14:22.07 | reparaz | stew: thanks, there's then no reason to think root hasn't changed my .bash_history |
| 14:22.17 | reparaz | he has removed any other shell... grrr |
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| 14:23.09 | jelly-home | reparaz: root has no reason to chown your files is s?he wants to spy on you |
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| 14:24.36 | reparaz | jelly-home: I think he has done that so that preventing me from erasing my own histfile... |
| 14:24.59 | loca|host | jelly-home, can you help me out there : http://pastebin.ca/373039 |
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| 14:25.03 | stew | reparaz: as long as you own your home directory, you can remove the files in it |
| 14:25.04 | loca|host | i've set my TZ to GMT+1, UTC became UTC-1 |
| 14:25.15 | jelly-home | reparaz: that's just dumb |
| 14:25.32 | ki11bi11 | is there a drWho program to diagnoes my debian system |
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| 14:26.04 | jetscreamer | yeah it's on the bbc |
| 14:26.30 | ki11bi11 | apt-get install tardis |
| 14:27.21 | ewanm89 | Couldn't find package tardis |
| 14:27.29 | loca|host | anyone ? |
| 14:27.39 | mindframe | is there a way to get a package to install without a dependency (i.e. need mozplugger without iceweasel) |
| 14:27.41 | ki11bi11 | ewanm89, i was joking...kinda |
| 14:27.46 | ki11bi11 | :) |
| 14:27.51 | ewanm89 | apt-get install k9 |
| 14:29.06 | ewanm89 | ki11bi11: I was just checking! |
| 14:30.06 | ki11bi11 | i wish there were an expert system to give my debian machine a check up may fix things:( |
| 14:30.10 | jelly-home | loca|host: No idea... why not use TZ='Africa/Tunis'; export TZ anyway? |
| 14:30.28 | Eulex | http://www.angryfacts.com/ xD |
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| 14:31.28 | ki11bi11 | mindframe there is a dpkg --force thingy |
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| 14:32.37 | enouf | mindframe: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 14:32.38 | jelly-home | Eulex: are any of these true? :-) |
| 14:33.03 | enouf | mindframe: using epiphany? |
| 14:33.40 | enouf | I have mozplugger without iceweasel/firefox .. |
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| 14:34.34 | Jtag_me | Are there any Official Debian people here,i need to speak to someone regarding an ARM port of Debian to the HP Jornada 720 |
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| 14:35.29 | sep | Jtag_me, you can try to ask in #debian-arm. not sure if it's here or ni oftc |
| 14:35.35 | abrotman | !arm |
| 14:35.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, arm is Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | doh |
| 14:35.44 | enouf | though I haven't figured out yet how to use it :-p .. I installed it ok .. and even shows in about:plugins ; I even restarted browser .. can't seem to find where to set the settings, though haven't looked very hard either, nor have I rebooted in about a month |
| 14:35.46 | reparaz | stew: rm -rf .bash_history: operation not permitted |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | i think it's on OFTC |
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| 14:36.07 | londain | hello - anyone have any information about getting the kernel to compile without the 'security' directory and potential problems |
| 14:36.17 | Eulex | jelly-home, I think some contain at least some piece of truth |
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| 14:36.21 | reparaz | stew: and I own my home |
| 14:36.30 | jelly-home | reparaz: is the file writable for you? |
| 14:36.53 | Jtag_me | #debian-arm is dead |
| 14:37.00 | jelly-home | reparaz: if it is and you're concerned about privacy, you can truncate it. |
| 14:37.08 | enouf | Jtag_me: try irc.oftc.net |
| 14:37.15 | Jtag_me | thanks |
| 14:37.24 | reparaz | jelly-home: nope: it is -rw-rw----+ 1 root |
| 14:37.26 | Thomas__- | It's not the first time I install debian etch, I installed 4 or 5 successfully, but now when I install it on the same PC, it can't install initramfs-tools, I tryed to re-download the iso and re-burn it on a different CD, it is the same, I checked the md5sum, it is good, how to do ? I just trying expert installation and I sucessfully installer the initramfs but I selected unstable and I want etch ! How can I do? |
| 14:37.36 | reparaz | jelly-home: like cat /dev/null > .bash_rc |
| 14:37.52 | jelly-home | reparaz: right |
| 14:38.13 | reparaz | shit: -bash: .bash_history: operation not permited |
| 14:38.28 | reparaz | after doing that :) |
| 14:38.30 | enouf | abrotman: there's about 15 people in oftc.net #debian-arm ... should you/i/we alter the factoid? |
| 14:38.38 | abrotman | enouf: i already did :) |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | !arm |
| 14:38.45 | dpkg | well, arm is Advanced RiSC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:38.46 | enouf | attaboy ;-) |
| 14:38.48 | Thomas__- | abrotman can you help me ? |
| 14:38.51 | reparaz | sorry, after doing cat /dev/null > .bash_history I get "-bash: .bash_history: operation not permited" |
| 14:38.55 | jelly-home | reparaz: so use another file name for history, d'oh |
| 14:39.04 | abrotman | Thomas__-: did you use a daily? |
| 14:39.16 | reparaz | nope, it still gets increasing my .bash_history :) |
| 14:39.31 | abrotman | ~/.bash_history |
| 14:39.36 | Thomas__- | abrotman yes I tryed yesterday and today |
| 14:39.47 | enouf | echo $HISTFILE |
| 14:40.05 | jelly-home | reparaz: it might not be your current shell |
| 14:40.10 | abrotman | Thomas__-: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:40.31 | Jtag_me | thanks enouf |
| 14:40.39 | enouf | Jtag_me: no prob |
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| 14:41.16 | jelly-home | reparaz: but really, if a root has done this, the best thing to do is contact the admin(s) or support. |
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| 14:41.46 | Thomas__- | abrotman I can't be from unstable to testing ? |
| 14:41.48 | Thomas__- | downgrade |
| 14:41.52 | abrotman | no |
| 14:42.00 | abrotman | oh .. his kingsley rating goes down! |
| 14:42.05 | Thomas__- | arg okay |
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| 14:42.35 | reparaz | jelly-home: root is another student |
| 14:42.44 | Thomas__- | abrotman maybe I'll try to install stable and after upgrade to etch if stable can install on my brand new hardware |
| 14:42.50 | abrotman | that might be a better plan |
| 14:43.06 | Thomas__- | but last time I used sarge it can't install on my hardware |
| 14:43.16 | reparaz | hmm, the "+" in "-rw-rw----+ 1 root" is something special? |
| 14:43.45 | jelly-home | reparaz: means there are ACLs (a superset of normal unix permissions) on the file. |
| 14:44.06 | jelly-home | reparaz: man getfacl, setfacl |
| 14:44.09 | Thomas__- | abrotman maybe that changed from 31r3 to 31r5 |
| 14:44.17 | Thomas__- | last time I used 31r3 |
| 14:44.25 | abrotman | Thomas__-: doubt it .. /msg dpkg sarge uni |
| 14:44.26 | reparaz | jelly-home: thanks |
| 14:45.05 | Thomas__- | abrotman or maybe in expert install of etch I can use yaird ? |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | linux26 ? |
| 14:45.19 | Thomas__- | but what is the difference betwin yaird and initramfs |
| 14:45.22 | Thomas__- | abrotman yes |
| 14:45.25 | abrotman | i think yaird is going away |
| 14:45.29 | abrotman | !yaird |
| 14:45.33 | abrotman | hrm ... |
| 14:45.49 | enouf | !infi initramfs-tools etch |
| 14:45.55 | enouf | !info initramfs-tools etch |
| 14:45.57 | Thomas__- | abrotman not I had the choice |
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| 14:46.04 | dpkg | initramfs-tools: (tools for generating an initramfs), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.85e (etch), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 372 kB |
| 14:46.16 | Thomas__- | !bl |
| 14:46.17 | dpkg | it has been said that bl is a program for Blink Keyboard LEDs |
| 14:46.20 | solars | hey, does anyone know a console based filemanager with vim keybindings? |
| 14:46.21 | Thomas__- | !blah |
| 14:46.21 | dpkg | bleh means insert appropriate value here. see bleh, or meh |
| 14:46.27 | Thomas__- | hmm |
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| 14:46.51 | enouf | yaird is going away .. if not gone already |
| 14:47.20 | jelly-home | also: yaird -- doesn't need udev, initramfs-tools -- needs udev |
| 14:47.20 | Thomas__- | what is the difference ? |
| 14:47.33 | Thomas__- | hm k |
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| 14:48.09 | reparaz | I'm thinking to do a perl script that scans continiously from /proc or ps -aux to investigate if my root is peeping my .bash_history... |
| 14:48.16 | jelly-home | which is nice to know when one is installing a backported kernel on stable and doesn't want udev mess |
| 14:48.31 | stew | also initramfs-tols -- under active development, yaird -- dead upstream |
| 14:48.44 | jelly-home | reparaz: root can do whatever s?he wants, there's nothing you can do to help |
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| 14:49.52 | enouf | Thomas__-: is this a Xen kernel install? |
| 14:49.55 | reparaz | jelly-home: sure, but he has to notice that I've an script to check if he's watching me; I agree that he *can* always win |
| 14:49.57 | stew | reparaz: you know you can just turn off history. but if you are not comfortable with the fact that root can see what you are doing, its time to find another host. becuase there is nothing you can do about it |
| 14:50.06 | Thomas__- | enoufno |
| 14:50.11 | Thomas__- | enouf: no |
| 14:50.45 | enouf | I heard ya ;-) |
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| 14:51.05 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:51.24 | Thomas__- | Is there a way to have the etch RC1 installer because when I installed and it worked it was with this installer |
| 14:51.39 | bkw | Feb 25 06:25:02 tor su[6283]: Successful su for nobody by root ; Feb 25 06:25:02 tor su[6283]: + ??? root:nobody Anybody who know if it's normal that root need to become nobody to do any task on default debian systems? |
| 14:51.49 | stew | Thomas__-: if you did have the etch RC1 installer now, it wouldn't work. |
| 14:52.00 | stew | bkw: that is normal |
| 14:52.07 | Thomas__- | stew no, not now, now it is the daily from today |
| 14:52.15 | stew | bkw: and 6:25 is when cron.daily runs be default on debian. |
| 14:52.15 | bkw | stew: sure about that? |
| 14:52.54 | stew | Thomas__-: the RC1 is broken. even if it wasn't broken for you before. the exact same installer would be broken now becuase it was depending on gpg keys that have expired since the last time you used it |
| 14:53.01 | stew | bkw: 100% positive |
| 14:53.04 | bkw | stew: but what does the ??? mean? |
| 14:53.12 | Zao | bkw: Nothing wrong with dropping permissions to minimize attack vectors. |
| 14:53.23 | Thomas__- | okay stew |
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| 14:53.42 | bkw | Zao: how can that be done? |
| 14:53.44 | stew | bkw: what you are seeing is updatedb running: /etc/cron.daily/find |
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| 14:54.15 | Zao | root may su to whatever user he likes. |
| 14:54.23 | stew | bkw: i'm not sure about what the ??? is supposed to be indicating |
| 14:54.36 | jelly-home | tty I think |
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| 14:55.18 | enouf | Thomas__-: ppc? vserver? (only 12-15 more guesses to go) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401183 just reading the changelogs and bug reports |
| 14:55.44 | Thomas__- | enouf no, intel c2d |
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| 14:56.10 | bkw | Zao: I do have sudo for users. But can I disable "su", I mean a normal users who knows the roots passwd? |
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| 14:56.33 | enouf | Thomas__-: ok .. so .. New Daily, Install in expert mode, you get Unstable? .. and can't install initramfs-tools? |
| 14:56.48 | Zao | bkw: Simple solution - don't give your users the root password. |
| 14:56.51 | Thomas__- | Thomas__- expert mode I can have unstable with initramfs tools |
| 14:56.54 | jelly-home | stew, bkw: yeah ??? means the process didn't have a controlling tty. Compare su[31242]: + pts/3 jelly:root |
| 14:57.13 | concept10 | python whitespace makes me cry :( |
| 14:57.18 | enouf | Thomas__-: I'm just misunderstanding your issue |
| 14:57.29 | jelly-home | concept10: why? |
| 14:57.32 | Thomas__- | enouf why ? |
| 14:57.38 | enouf | gaj |
| 14:57.43 | Thomas__- | gaj ? |
| 14:57.44 | Zao | bkw: Change the permissions of /bin/su ? |
| 14:57.47 | enouf | gah |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | concept10: i can show you a language that will really make you cry |
| 14:57.59 | Thomas__- | gah = ? |
| 14:58.10 | enouf | why am I misunderstanding? .. |
| 14:58.27 | Zao | bkw: Or mess around with PAM. |
| 14:58.27 | Thomas__- | now I have unstable and it works |
| 14:58.30 | Thomas__- | but I want etch :/ |
| 14:58.32 | concept10 | jelly-home, most of my debugging consists of whitespace issues.. thats why |
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| 14:58.36 | bkw | Zao: Users don't have root's passwd. But I mean a normal user, i e myself. I don't want anyone to be able to say in #mode |
| 14:58.48 | enouf | Thomas__-: but with Etch no initramfs-tools? wtf? |
| 14:58.48 | jelly-home | concept10: 1. don't use tabs 2. use a better editor |
| 14:59.07 | bkw | Zao: changing /bin/su chmod, is that really ok to do? |
| 14:59.12 | concept10 | jelly-home, using vim right now |
| 14:59.13 | Thomas__- | enouf with etch the initramfs tools fails to install, with unstable the d-i installer install it sucessfull |
| 14:59.14 | enouf | Thomas__-: are you saying you can NOT install Etch? and have to resoret to unstable? |
| 14:59.21 | Zao | bkw: It's your system. :) |
| 14:59.37 | Thomas__- | enouf in the d-i installer of etch I can select unstable |
| 14:59.42 | jelly-home | concept10: if the original authors used mixed tabs and spaces, find them and beat them with a stick |
| 14:59.47 | enouf | Thomas__-: that makes no sense to me .. but I'm foolish some tinmes |
| 14:59.55 | Thomas__- | okay |
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| 15:00.50 | concept10 | jelly-home, no, this one is my fault this time.. |
| 15:00.50 | jelly-home | concept10: I'd have thought vim would have a decent .py mode with autoindenting and copy/paste indentation fixing, doesn't it? |
| 15:01.00 | enouf | Thomas__-: i thought so (about being able to select Unstable or Etch) though i thought it was only previously available as a choice using wither Netinstaller or businesscard |
| 15:01.11 | beau | can someone please help a linux n00b mount an ipod |
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| 15:01.23 | stew | bkw: you can take of the suid bit fom su which would make it so that only rootc could use su. you just better make sure you have some other way of becoming root |
| 15:01.26 | enouf | Thomas__-: but .. the not being able to install a pkg is what's weird |
| 15:01.32 | Thomas__- | enouf yes it is business |
| 15:01.49 | enouf | Thomas__-: try a full CD if you can .. or atleast a netinstall |
| 15:02.09 | Thomas__- | enouf why ? business is the same no ? |
| 15:02.31 | abrotman | concept10: i'm going to /msg you a url |
| 15:02.35 | enouf | Thomas__-: business is really small ~50MB only .. netinstall ~170MB or so |
| 15:02.42 | Thomas__- | yes |
| 15:02.46 | Thomas__- | I try netinstall so.. |
| 15:02.54 | enouf | ok .. good luck ;-) |
| 15:03.28 | Thomas__- | thanks ;p |
| 15:03.40 | jelly-home | enouf: but they'll have the same version of initramfs-tools on, won't they |
| 15:03.56 | Thomas__- | enouf while the download I'll try sarge install |
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| 15:04.26 | enouf | Thomas__-: doubtful it'll recognize your newer hardware .. but ok .. |
| 15:04.29 | enouf | !nie |
| 15:04.30 | dpkg | HearYe, HearYe, All Hail! :: See what's New In Etch http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch .. changes from Sarge, technical issues when doing a Sarge2EtchUpgrade, etc .. |
| 15:04.40 | Thomas__- | yes enouf but cd RW powaa :p |
| 15:04.48 | enouf | haha |
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| 15:05.51 | concept10 | jelly-home, sorry, too pissed to respong :( |
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| 15:07.18 | bkw | stew: sudo? |
| 15:07.19 | jelly-home | concept10: kk |
| 15:08.01 | stew | bkw: sure |
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| 15:10.52 | bkw | stew: should I chmod /sbin/su to have it only runable by root? |
| 15:10.58 | Thomas__- | ahahah enouf etch don't recongnize my ethernet cared -_- |
| 15:11.03 | Thomas__- | card |
| 15:11.48 | stew | bkw: as long as you take off the suid bit, it doesn't matter who can run it, it will only work for root |
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| 15:13.00 | beau | can someone help me mount an ipod |
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| 15:13.15 | solars | I want to install unstable on a amd64, is the netinstall for sarge amd64, and upgrading the way to go ? |
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| 15:13.30 | Thomas__- | solars yes you can do that |
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| 15:14.10 | solars | Thomas__-, there aren't any netinstall isos of unstable+64, right ? |
| 15:14.52 | Thomas__- | solars you can download the etch business/netinstall and in expert mode choose unstable |
| 15:15.32 | tralala | solars, this should work if your hardware is not too new for sarge |
| 15:15.43 | solars | Thomas__-, and this has 64bit support builtin, right ? |
| 15:15.51 | Thomas__- | solars don't know, i think |
| 15:15.53 | solars | its a a8n-sli |
| 15:15.59 | solars | alright |
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| 15:19.42 | enouf | jelly-home: sorry .. I missed your question .. I would think so .. bt perhaps something's a bit funky with the installers (business vs netinstall), dunno if fosdem thins last weekend put some builds on hold ?? |
| 15:19.59 | enouf | s/thins/this |
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| 15:20.04 | beau | would there be a better channel to ask how to install an ipod? |
| 15:20.23 | enouf | beau: have you apt-cache search ipod ? |
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| 15:20.43 | beau | what does that command do exactly? |
| 15:20.58 | enouf | !tell beau -about apt howto |
| 15:21.12 | JordiGH | beau: It searches the Debian archives about any package that has the string "ipod" in its description. |
| 15:21.20 | enouf | beau: it searches |
| 15:21.43 | mindframe | any gui smb clients? |
| 15:21.52 | JordiGH | mindframe: Konqueror? |
| 15:22.02 | mindframe | besides that? |
| 15:22.18 | justin | what is a gui smb client? |
| 15:22.45 | mindframe | something for browsing the windoze networks with a graphical user interface. |
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| 15:22.56 | jamonation | smb4k |
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| 15:23.17 | justin | how often do you browse the network versus mount a particular share? |
| 15:23.38 | bkw | stew: I did chmod a-s /bin/su and it did what I want :) thanks. |
| 15:24.10 | JordiGH | Man, they ask for a GUI, you give them a KDE GUI, and they don't like it. I think it's more KDEism again. I'm feeling opressed. |
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| 15:24.10 | mindframe | i dont :/ |
| 15:24.10 | enouf | beau: if you're using Gnome, you may want to look at, install, configure gnome-volume-manager |
| 15:24.11 | jamonation | or you can use mount -t smbfs |
| 15:24.24 | enouf | beau: that handles gnome's auto-mounting and such |
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| 15:24.31 | jamonation | that way you can have a persistent share mounted from fstab on startup |
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| 15:24.53 | amphi | in multisync0.9.0, does anyone else have the problem that the options for irmc-sync plugin do not work, with an error "Unable to find MSyncPlugin (irmc-sync)!!!" ? |
| 15:25.06 | beau | enouf : actually I am running kde, |
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| 15:25.59 | beau | enouf : actually I have installed the software I just need to mount the ipod |
| 15:26.43 | enouf | beau: KDE certainly has the same type of thing .. Open Konqueror and type ipod:/ in the URL address |
| 15:26.58 | enouf | beau: try media:/ as well |
| 15:27.01 | JordiGH | Konqui is the Emacs of file access protocols. |
| 15:27.13 | enouf | JordiGH: heh |
| 15:27.14 | JordiGH | !praise Konqui |
| 15:27.23 | Thomas__- | enouf what do you think about "Thomas__-: in expert mode first choose sid and install d-i components (udebs). then just before base install go back to choose mirror and this time choose etch. Then do base install... does that work?" |
| 15:27.36 | dukez | hi, i've just upgraded to etch (partially, only kernel and udev now) and now I can't boot. It can't find a /sbin/init on the target partition. It says before "Can't mount parition, deivce or resource busy". Any idea ? Thx |
| 15:27.39 | enouf | JordiGH: can you believe it has it's own ipod:/ protocol ?/ insane |
| 15:27.44 | jetscreamer | yeh i don't prefer kde but knoq is okByMe |
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| 15:27.51 | jetscreamer | konq |
| 15:28.07 | fireba11 | dukez: how did yout ry to upgrade ` |
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| 15:28.26 | JordiGH | enouf: Yeah. It's crazy. It's like we can access all the files we should be able to access, all from one spot! |
| 15:28.37 | enouf | Thomas__-: it can, if the correct normal way doesn't, I suppose |
| 15:28.59 | dukez | fireba11: i've installed kernel 2.6.18, udev, initramsfs, upgraded libc and some start scripts. I can't run a dist-upgrade now since there are a lot of software that won't run after |
| 15:29.26 | enouf | Thomas__-: just try the netinstall normally 1st is my suggestion .. but .. whatever |
| 15:29.40 | Thomas__- | yes enouf I burn it now |
| 15:29.58 | enouf | JordiGH: hehe .. unfortunately the ipod is a bit "DefectiveByDesign" |
| 15:30.02 | fireba11 | dukez: hm .. had no problems with the boxes i upgraded so far except for a few config quirks ... |
| 15:30.07 | dukez | fireba11: there's also a strange thing. when I tell grub to use root "sda", once booted in Ash, the device is recognized as sdc ; and if I tell grub to use sdc, then the device is sda.. I don't understand that |
| 15:30.23 | dukez | fireba11: hum, bad luck I guess :) |
| 15:30.46 | stew | dukez: you can could volume labels instead |
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| 15:30.58 | enouf | beau: if conncting through USB maybe do a "/msg dpkg usb-storage" in your irc client |
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| 15:31.10 | dukez | stew: how does this work ? never used that. Just root=LABEL ? |
| 15:31.13 | Thomas__- | enouf http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ can you see the md5sum of the netinstall or ? |
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| 15:31.39 | enouf | beau: if you have trouble seeing it .. also "dmesg | tail" in your Shell, should show you it being connected , and recognized |
| 15:31.59 | enouf | Thomas__-: go to the Parent Dir |
| 15:32.11 | Thomas__- | enouf it is slow @ my home |
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| 15:32.17 | Thomas__- | can you say it to me please enouf |
| 15:32.31 | enouf | Thomas__-: heh .. I got high-speed and it's lagging here |
| 15:32.37 | tenco | how can i track which processes access the hdd to write/read data? |
| 15:32.39 | Thomas__- | enouf yes me too |
| 15:32.46 | Thomas__- | enouf its good now |
| 15:32.47 | enouf | Thomas__-: no .. the MD5s are in the same Dir |
| 15:32.56 | enouf | ok |
| 15:33.04 | stew | dukez: root=LABEL=somelabel |
| 15:33.09 | delire | i'm considering buying a Lenovo ThinkPad T60. does anyone here have experience with (pre) Etch on this machine? i particularly need suspend and wireless (and reboot/shutdown) to work flawlessly from kernel to kernel, which is not the case on my Asus M6N. |
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| 15:33.16 | dukez | stew: ok and how do I set a label to a partition ? |
| 15:33.38 | stew | dukez: e2label |
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| 15:33.50 | dukez | stew: thank you, i give it a try |
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| 15:34.44 | feona | hi |
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| 15:35.59 | delire | enouf: it seems udev mostly works these days. in the beginning i was doubtful of the move. |
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| 15:36.32 | enouf | delire: it's still overwhelming and confusing .. to say the least .. add dbus and hal .. and whoa |
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| 15:36.45 | delire | enouf: yeah. |
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| 15:37.39 | Thomas__- | enouf I use normal install with the netinst? |
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| 15:37.48 | dukez | stew: seems to work ! |
| 15:37.51 | Thomas__- | not expert |
| 15:37.56 | enouf | Thomas__-: sure .. do whatever you like ;-) |
| 15:38.00 | Thomas__- | okay |
| 15:38.05 | delire | enouf: at an end-user level, i'm bored by my network devices spontaneously rename themselves. this morning i had an 'eth3' where yesterday there was an 'eth1'. |
| 15:38.08 | Thomas__- | enouf I like sex |
| 15:38.15 | enouf | Thomas__-: erm .. use expert if you;'re comfortable |
| 15:38.17 | rpedro_ | hello. does the jigdo download of etch get the new graphical installer? |
| 15:38.24 | delire | s/rename/renaming |
| 15:38.47 | Thomas__- | enouf mhh its the same for the error expert or normal enouf (with business) |
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| 15:38.54 | enouf | delire: ouch .. /etc/udev/rules.d et al |
| 15:39.09 | delire | enouf: yes i've been meaning to grokk this. |
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| 15:39.39 | JordiGH | grok |
| 15:39.40 | JordiGH | One k. |
| 15:39.46 | JordiGH | Grokked, though. |
| 15:40.00 | stew | dukez: if you have udev .090 or later it will statically name your network devices the first time they are encountered |
| 15:40.37 | enouf | delire: find /etc -type f -name "*persistent*" |
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| 15:40.56 | dukez | stew: ok |
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| 15:41.09 | stew | oh |
| 15:41.12 | stew | i mean t delire |
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| 15:41.21 | enouf | delire: and /usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 15:41.23 | Thomas__- | enouf when etch will be stable, unstable will be testing ? |
| 15:41.28 | necrite_ | hi all . i need some help with vsftpd :S anyone can helpme? |
| 15:41.46 | necrite_ | i have vsftp running with virtual users, but, how can i setup the home directory to virtual users? |
| 15:41.47 | stew | Thomas__-: no, a new release named lenny will be testing. sid is always unstable |
| 15:41.57 | Thomas__- | arg, okay |
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| 15:42.07 | Thomas__- | lenny :O, ugly name |
| 15:42.13 | enouf | !lenny |
| 15:42.14 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 15:42.27 | Thomas__- | xD |
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| 15:43.43 | Thomas__- | and etch, where they find this word ? :p |
| 15:43.51 | JordiGH | etch-a-sketch |
| 15:43.53 | Ronin | Thomas__-: watch toy story |
| 15:44.00 | JordiGH | The big question is what will happen when they run out of character. |
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| 15:44.02 | JordiGH | characters |
| 15:44.04 | stew | Thomas__-: they are all named after toy story characters |
| 15:44.12 | Ronin | JordiGH: dont see that happening any time soon |
| 15:44.12 | JordiGH | And if Pixar is going to sue for copyright infringement. |
| 15:44.20 | Thomas__- | okay stew |
| 15:44.41 | enouf | follow the URL .. there are tons of characters .. I never even heard of :-P |
| 15:44.51 | stew | JordiGH: it would be trademark infringement, and they are going to have a hard time arguing that their marks extend into the realm of computer operating systems |
| 15:45.33 | JordiGH | Ronin: In A.D. 2101, Debian was beginning... |
| 15:45.46 | JordiGH | <Pixar> All your codenames are belong to us |
| 15:45.54 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:46.04 | Ronin | you need to get out more JordiGH :) |
| 15:46.24 | JordiGH | My girlfriend says the same thing. :-( |
| 15:47.12 | JarJarBinks | When using find, how do I run a command like this: find foo/ -iname \*.bmp -exec convert {} {}.jpg && rm {} \; I can't delete the file, and use &&, how would you do that |
| 15:47.27 | dukez | stew: yeah, perfect, thx ! |
| 15:47.37 | cahoot | JarJarBinks: just use mogrify |
| 15:47.44 | jahshua | anyone have any good links/info on setting up wireless connection in Debian? |
| 15:47.45 | jahshua | i have ... Atheros AR5005G wireless network adapter and PCMCIA adapters ENE CB1410 Cardbus Controller. |
| 15:47.58 | enouf | maybe pipe it to xargs JarJarBinks |
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| 15:48.15 | JarJarBinks | enouf: I did that too |
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| 15:48.24 | JarJarBinks | in the -exec |
| 15:48.44 | JarJarBinks | also, I hoped I could do -exec convert {} {}:r.jpg \; |
| 15:48.52 | enouf | JarJarBinks: use cahoot suggestion .. or use -exec OR xargs |
| 15:49.03 | cahoot | JarJarBinks: mogrify (in IM) does what you want |
| 15:49.13 | JarJarBinks | thanks guys |
| 15:49.15 | enouf | JarJarBinks: i suck at bask ;-P |
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| 15:49.19 | ick | When I press Print after I do LANG=C ggv somepsfile, nothing happens. I can print through the KDE printing system. Is there another viewer than just prints using lpr? |
| 15:49.22 | enouf | erm bash even |
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| 15:50.09 | justin | ick: lpr somepsfile |
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| 15:51.27 | Thomas__- | héhé enouf with netinstall, base install success, now it netinstall my desktop environment but it is blocked at 5% with please wait.. |
| 15:51.32 | JarJarBinks | can i do something like -exec convert {} {}.jpg -o -exec rm {} \; |
| 15:51.46 | JarJarBinks | with some syntax, that actually works |
| 15:51.46 | JarJarBinks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.50 | delire | enouf: cheers, this looks good. |
| 15:52.09 | enouf | Thomas__-: oh boy ... I heard of that isue .. tyhere's a workaround of somesort |
| 15:52.21 | delire | stew: just upgraded to 0.093-1. let's see if this works for me. |
| 15:52.32 | Thomas__- | enouf I don"t understand, whay can I do |
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| 15:52.44 | enouf | Thomas__-: you sure you have a Daily or Weekly build of Netinstaller? |
| 15:52.52 | Thomas__- | enouf daily |
| 15:52.54 | stew | delire: after udev is restarted, look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 15:53.01 | enouf | bah .. I went too the URL earlier too |
| 15:53.03 | delire | stew: cheers, i'll do this. |
| 15:53.18 | enouf | yep .. daily alright |
| 15:53.27 | Thomas__- | it is still 5% |
| 15:54.06 | enouf | Thomas__-: you may need to switch to alt-f2 or f3 , f4 .. and somehow hit Enter .. or enter Y then Enter |
| 15:54.20 | enouf | Thomas__-: what do those TTYs say about it? |
| 15:54.31 | Thomas__- | enouf done it is a shell now |
| 15:54.36 | Thomas__- | what is TTYs ? |
| 15:54.42 | enouf | Thomas__-: that's them ;-) |
| 15:54.57 | enouf | Thomas__-: TeleTYpe |
| 15:55.23 | Thomas__- | enouf I'll reboot and just to base install |
| 15:55.31 | hark | Thomas__-: if you have the base installed.. just install the rest manually or run tasksel |
| 15:55.50 | Thomas__- | !tasksel |
| 15:55.51 | dpkg | hmm... tasksel is the simple method of installation. simply run 'tasksel'. If it doesn't work, try updating Available packages by running 'dselect' and doing an Update, then quitting and trying tasksel again. If you don't want to use dselect, you can also 'apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available', to update the tasksel menu. Or forget all of that and just run "dselect update && tasksel", be happy, smile. |
| 15:55.55 | enouf | Thomas__-: I just don't recall the workaround .. nor do I understand why you're hitting that issue .. hrmm |
| 15:56.22 | hark | mirror related maybe? |
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| 15:57.25 | enouf | hark: all i recall is Guerin asking for an op late one night to place something about it into /topic .. and I "think" it only affected AMD64 at that time .. but I could be wway off on that |
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| 15:58.43 | hark | enouf: this 5% issue is not that uncommon.. used to be with the RC1's, but the dailies also seem to have it |
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| 15:59.07 | hark | don't remember what the reason was in the tty though.. |
| 15:59.26 | enouf | hark: I don't see anything mentioned about it http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
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| 16:00.28 | enouf | hark: it had to do with being able to select/answer the "continue" or something Question .. or maybe even a Tasksel option .. I haven't seen it personally, and know no more about it :-( |
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| 16:01.00 | enouf | hark: it may have had to do with autodetection, DHCP, networking .. whatever |
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| 16:05.18 | Muisje | itchi? Raise the limit in #debian-nl... |
| 16:05.36 | jelly-home | supporting Debian on your hardware is apparently good for business: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3661481 |
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| 16:06.47 | tenco | i have a faulty mem address (memtest86 returns errors). how can i tell the kernel to not use this address? |
| 16:07.04 | enouf | hark: I've been lurking in #debian-boot over on oftc.net, and Thomas__- is there too now .. so we'll see .. |
| 16:08.21 | wols | tenco: not really possible. all you can do is limit the used memory to less than the address where the error occurs |
| 16:08.25 | enouf | hark: turns out .. that's where he got the "chose expert, select sid, then..." stuff from |
| 16:08.26 | wols | but: it |
| 16:08.33 | wols | it's not worth it. buy new memory |
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| 16:09.31 | tenco | is there a kernel-option for this? or a patch? |
| 16:09.50 | wols | it's a kernel parameter iirc |
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| 16:12.22 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Waitaminute. HP is Debian-friendly? Will they give me free drivers too? |
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| 16:15.02 | Zap-W | anyone have info, guides or howtos about IBM's RDAC for linux |
| 16:15.13 | Gnea | Zap-W: google.com |
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| 16:16.25 | WuPeak | hi there |
| 16:16.25 | JordiGH | And Dell may well install Debian for you too: http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/ideastorm/ideasinaction?c=us&l=en&s=gen |
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| 16:17.00 | WuPeak | which directories would you exclude from an online backup? |
| 16:17.37 | WuPeak | start dir is / |
| 16:17.57 | WuPeak | at the moment i exclude only /sys/* |
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| 16:18.01 | justin | WuPeak: /proc |
| 16:18.06 | justin | WuPeak: /mnt |
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| 16:18.20 | Fox | /tmp |
| 16:18.40 | WuPeak | ok anything else? |
| 16:18.58 | justin | WuPeak: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 16:19.31 | WuPeak | thx |
| 16:19.33 | jelly-home | JordiGH: they have bootable sarge isos for new machines, yes |
| 16:20.08 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Hm. But drivers? It's all about the drivers. |
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| 16:20.28 | Wanderer | !etch |
| 16:20.29 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 16:20.56 | jelly-home | JordiGH: well, bootable means all hardware is seen, so you can install Debian. So at least drivers for newer controllers are there |
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| 16:21.26 | WuPeak | what about the /sys/ schould i exclude this or not? |
| 16:21.30 | edju | Trying to play a mov file with vlc. Video's fine, but no audio. Somewhere on debian bugs is a reference that such is expected. Anybody successful in vlc mov audio? |
| 16:21.55 | jelly-home | JordiGH: however we tried installing using their isos, and it turned out kmuto.jp images were easier to work with. there were some strange smp problems |
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| 16:22.07 | Wanderer | anyone have a sources.list for an etch/amd64 system? |
| 16:22.18 | WuPeak | ? |
| 16:22.29 | jelly-home | JordiGH: they also package some (not yet all) of the management utilities |
| 16:22.43 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Which management utilities? |
| 16:24.08 | WuPeak | justin: should i exclude /sys/. in the default config it is excluded. |
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| 16:24.32 | Thomas__- | enouf when I apt-get update I have public key problems and apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get updatedon't solve them |
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| 16:24.45 | Fox | WuPeak: yes |
| 16:25.01 | WuPeak | Fox: thx a lot. |
| 16:25.08 | WuPeak | thats all i need. |
| 16:25.09 | JordiGH | Thomas__-: It's possible that you have found a mirror that's been compromised! :o |
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| 16:25.45 | hark | Thomas__-: what key does it ask for? |
| 16:26.06 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 16:26.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing audio/realtime work |
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| 16:26.37 | enouf | Thomas__-: we need exact errors and what you did exactly .. so we know you installed debian-archive-keyring and apt-key(?) correctly |
| 16:26.39 | jelly-home | JordiGH: iLO config, raid controller config, snmp stuff, that sort of things, I can't check now as I'm home today and don't have access to any of the newer machines. |
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| 16:29.07 | Fox | ilo is for HP, not dell, or did I miss something ? |
| 16:29.14 | sineer | hi, I'm trying to make a sh script that init a daemon process if that process is not already running (pretty usual stuff)... My problem is when I do pid=`pidof myprocess` because myprocess isn't running, my init.d script exits right after executing this command instead of just assigning a void value to pid and continue running my script ( I have a if [ $pid ] right after that never execute but the else doesn't execute either, the scri |
| 16:29.14 | sineer | pt simply exit because pidof returns 1 if myprocess isn't running) |
| 16:29.22 | Wanderer | !sources.list |
| 16:29.22 | dpkg | [sources.list] something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. see <mirrors> |
| 16:29.32 | Wanderer | !mirrors |
| 16:29.32 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 16:29.54 | hark | Wanderer: look in /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/ as well |
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| 16:30.10 | hark | Wanderer: also /msg dpkg etch security |
| 16:30.14 | sineer | err.. that was a long message.. sorry. In short, why is pid=`pidof myprocess` within a script.sh exit that same script just because pidof myprocess returns -1 and how do I prevent that? |
| 16:30.29 | Wanderer | hark: I'm trying to find backports for etch |
| 16:30.35 | Wanderer | found em for sarge but need etch |
| 16:30.52 | JordiGH | etch doesn't have backports yet. |
| 16:31.05 | Wanderer | err, need unstable backports to etch |
| 16:31.22 | JordiGH | You can always use a mixed testing/unstable system. That's almost as good as backports. |
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| 16:31.45 | hark | !tell Wanderer -about simple sid backport |
| 16:31.55 | hark | or play around with pinning, i guess |
| 16:32.22 | Wanderer | !backports |
| 16:32.23 | dpkg | hmm... backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 16:32.35 | hark | etch and sid are pretty similar now at this point of time |
| 16:32.40 | enouf | !tell Wanderer -about selftell |
| 16:33.12 | enouf | Wanderer: /msg dpkg pinning /msg dpkg apt howto, and man apt_preferences |
| 16:33.16 | Wanderer | thanks enouf |
| 16:33.25 | enouf | :-) |
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| 16:33.33 | Wanderer | (mostly about the selftell ) :> |
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| 16:33.44 | enouf | righto ;-) |
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| 16:37.13 | trista | hi ppl |
| 16:37.14 | trista | im so pissed |
| 16:37.19 | trista | can you help me? |
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| 16:37.24 | trista | I just updated my kernel |
| 16:37.37 | trista | to 2.6.20 (old 2.4.27) |
| 16:37.59 | trista | and my pcmcia-slot isn't workling at the new 2.6.20 |
| 16:38.24 | trista | -- |
| 16:38.24 | trista | :( |
| 16:39.02 | jelly-home | trista: have you checked the kernel documentation? |
| 16:39.10 | JordiGH | !tell trista about enter |
| 16:39.39 | trista | hmm dunno :\ |
| 16:39.42 | enouf | trista: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.20-XXXxxx .. but also you have a TON of other stuff happening in that big of a jump .. like Udev now, remove Hotplug completely, etc, etc .. you should've done the upgrade in stages .. and WHERE did you get that kernel? |
| 16:39.44 | jelly-home | trista: some userspace software needs to be upgraded. |
| 16:39.57 | Crypticfortune | trista: mmm, joy of new kernels. im running 2.6.21-rc1, but my computer has no pcmcia, so i dunno what to tell you... |
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| 16:40.04 | JordiGH | Hey, is that kernel in Debian yet? |
| 16:40.10 | enouf | Jussi: no |
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| 16:40.17 | enouf | erm JordiGH |
| 16:40.25 | trista | at /usr/src/linux |
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| 16:40.28 | enouf | heh |
| 16:40.28 | trista | and /lib/modules |
| 16:40.36 | JordiGH | enouf: ? |
| 16:40.44 | enouf | trista: you likely got it from kernel.org |
| 16:40.48 | trista | yeah |
| 16:40.55 | trista | it's the "normal" kernel |
| 16:40.59 | trista | from kernel.org |
| 16:41.02 | JordiGH | trista: tsk! that's not the Debian way to get a kernel |
| 16:41.05 | enouf | trista: cat /proc/version |
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| 16:41.28 | JordiGH | trista: And why did you mess around with the kernel? Was something wrong with the 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:41.32 | jelly-home | trista: read Documentation/Changes |
| 16:41.36 | Crypticfortune | trista: did you import your old config and do make oldconfig first? |
| 16:41.55 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: from 2.4? might as well start anew |
| 16:41.56 | trista | I gues not :\ |
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| 16:42.10 | myren | if i have sun-java5-jre and gij installed, how do i choose between the two? |
| 16:42.15 | enouf | JordiGH: there's expermiental stuff 2.6.20 related in the svn /trunk |
| 16:42.18 | trista | i gues i have to read the doc |
| 16:42.27 | trista | and do that again |
| 16:42.27 | trista | ;\ |
| 16:42.37 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: *shrug* if you already have a working kernel, beats starting over imho (but then again, ive never tried it :p |
| 16:42.38 | trista | thanks anyway ppl |
| 16:42.39 | trista | ! |
| 16:42.44 | Edwin_Quijada | Hi! Somebody can tell me if there is a precompiled kernel with mppe support for pptp? |
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| 16:43.00 | enouf | JordiGH: but as far as Unstable? http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html read the changelog if you dare ;-) |
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| 16:43.14 | omega99 | help |
| 16:43.14 | omega99 | i |
| 16:43.15 | omega99 | just |
| 16:43.16 | omega99 | got |
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| 16:43.22 | omega99 | help |
| 16:43.23 | JordiGH | Heh. :P |
| 16:43.28 | jelly-home | kicked... from... channel |
| 16:43.29 | Ronin | omega99: type more hit enter less |
| 16:43.39 | omega99 | i just got banned from ubuntu and linux channels |
| 16:43.45 | enouf | omega99: wants to "crack a linux box" |
| 16:43.45 | Ronin | cant imagine why |
| 16:43.49 | JordiGH | Gee, I wonder why. |
| 16:43.53 | astinus | omega99: That's because you're a numpty :) |
| 16:44.00 | omega99 | whats a numpty |
| 16:44.01 | JordiGH | !numpty |
| 16:44.06 | JordiGH | !wtf numpty |
| 16:44.07 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 16:44.09 | stew | omega99: we can't help you with that, you'd have to talk to the ops in #ubuntu, "/msg ChanSev access #ubuntu list" will get you a list of ops in #ubuntu |
| 16:44.24 | myren | blarg ya'll are no help |
| 16:44.27 | enouf | omega99: do you have a Debian related question? .. otherwise pease leave |
| 16:44.28 | omega99 | freenode seems to be a shit network |
| 16:44.30 | myren | dont any of you know about /etc/alternative |
| 16:44.38 | Ronin | omega99: no one forcing you to use it |
| 16:44.39 | myren | answer some questions instead of railing at ubuntu people |
| 16:44.44 | stew | omega99: please keep it on-topic. do you ahve any debian related questions? |
| 16:44.45 | omega99 | well i am interested in why debain linux sux so bad |
| 16:44.55 | Ronin | myren: raliing at ubuntu people? i miss somethign again |
| 16:44.56 | stew | omega99: stop trolling |
| 16:44.58 | myren | i am interested in why you think debian linux sucks at all |
| 16:44.59 | astinus | omega99: Its only a shit network if you're a soapboxing troll :) |
| 16:45.02 | Ronin | omega99: well i see why you got kicked |
| 16:45.04 | jelly-home | myren: nobody knows a thing about update-alternatives here :-P :-) |
| 16:45.06 | stew | astinus: keep it on topic |
| 16:45.08 | CharminTheMoose | omega99 was disrupting '##linux as well |
| 16:45.18 | omega99 | i wasn't disrupting |
| 16:45.22 | myren | jelly-home: i was not aware there was an update-alternatives program. i just manually do it. |
| 16:45.25 | omega99 | i am a very reputable linux chat dude |
| 16:45.28 | enouf | this has got to be some College fraternity initiation ... see how many channels you can get bannned from and how quickly .. hehe |
| 16:45.37 | myren | ubuntu IS debian |
| 16:45.43 | Ronin | myren: not |
| 16:45.45 | astinus | enouf: He'll try #gentoo next, oh noes |
| 16:45.48 | DeliPenguen | this dpkg thing is a free bot or special for this channel? |
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| 16:45.56 | enouf | !tell myren about Based on Debian |
| 16:46.02 | stew | DeliPenguen: blootbot.sf.net |
| 16:46.17 | DeliPenguen | thanks |
| 16:46.20 | omega99 | does anyone know a good way to get around irc bans |
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| 16:46.40 | enouf | bye bye now ;-) |
| 16:46.42 | astinus | stew: thanks :) |
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| 16:46.47 | Ronin | omega99: ya play by the channel rules is the best one |
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| 16:46.48 | CharminTheMoose | owned |
| 16:46.52 | myren | whatever ubuntu trigger someone sent me |
| 16:46.54 | myren | dpkg LIES |
| 16:46.54 | dpkg | lies are evil, or as some would put it: "There are three types of lies; lies, damned lies, and statistics." |
| 16:47.06 | jelly-home | hehe |
| 16:47.06 | Smoked1 | Does anyone know if they plan on changing the default mail server from exim4 to postix? |
| 16:47.11 | Smoked1 | Just wondering |
| 16:47.12 | Ronin | myren: ubuntu is not debian and debian is not ubuntu |
| 16:47.14 | myren | you can VERY EASILY pin ubuntu repositories into debian. i was running xorg 6.8 from ubuntu for a while, no problem |
| 16:47.16 | JordiGH | myren: dpkg does not lie. Play nice with dpkg. |
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| 16:47.47 | myren | back before debian made the xorg switch |
| 16:47.49 | stew | myren: please go to #ubuntu to discuss ubuntu |
| 16:47.50 | samfreed | nor does god play with dice |
| 16:47.53 | JordiGH | myren: You got lucky, and although Debian and Ubuntu can share packages to some extent, if you try to do it long enough eventually you'll run into trouble. |
| 16:47.56 | samfreed | (i had to) |
| 16:47.58 | uwe | hello, im getting an error on etch/amd64 saying "undefined reference to `sem_destroy'" although i have libpthread20 and libpthread-dev installed! any idea why? |
| 16:48.05 | JordiGH | I'm guessing for one that Ubuntu isn't going to be running Iceweasel. |
| 16:48.27 | jelly-home | !dnu |
| 16:48.38 | Smoked1 | Is ubuntu based off of etch? |
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| 16:48.43 | stew | Smoked1: ask #ubuntu |
| 16:48.51 | CharminTheMoose | Debian is Not Ubuntu |
| 16:49.00 | jelly-home | CharminTheMoose: but a script? |
| 16:49.03 | JordiGH | Smoked1: It used to be snapshots of Debian unstable. I don't think it works like that anymore. |
| 16:49.04 | CharminTheMoose | random script I wrote that prints that to the screen zillions of times |
| 16:49.05 | Ronin | going to be one of those days i see |
| 16:49.17 | Smoked1 | thanks I was just wondering |
| 16:49.29 | Crypticfortune | ok, i suspect this question might have somethign to do with update-alternatives, but what's the preferred way to put gcc-4.0 into etch? it seems to have been removed from whatever tree im looking at... |
| 16:49.33 | karsten | Smoked1: This isn't the place to do that. |
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| 16:50.03 | myren | i find it hilarious how much #debian spites ubuntu. not that i blame you guys, those ubuntu people seem to be a couple levels down on the tech tree. |
| 16:50.09 | JordiGH | gcc-4.0 isn't in etch? That's surprising. |
| 16:50.25 | Ronin | myren: but we dont, well not as long as they ask ubuntu questions in #ubuntu and not here |
| 16:50.41 | myren | you should. ;) |
| 16:50.44 | Crypticfortune | JordiGH: gcc-4.1 is, but not 4.0 |
| 16:50.47 | cydork | JordiGH: it has 4.1.2 |
| 16:50.55 | Ronin | why? i actually suggest ubuntu to folks to install |
| 16:51.11 | myren | yeah sorry for continuing this any futher than it was needed. ;) |
| 16:51.14 | JordiGH | myren: I personally don't spite them. They're doing very good things for the free software community, but thinking how Debian is just like Ubuntu makes me think of how C coders think that coding in C++ is just like coding in C. :-) |
| 16:51.35 | myren | alright gonna run and pretend to be productive now. |
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| 16:52.18 | karsten | !monday |
| 16:52.18 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
| 16:52.24 | JordiGH | Crypticfortune: So why does it have to be 4.0 exactly? And moreover, why isn't that one in etch? |
| 16:52.30 | CharminTheMoose | !tuesday |
| 16:52.30 | dpkg | tuesday is probably soylent green day |
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| 16:52.41 | CharminTheMoose | soylent green day?? |
| 16:52.58 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: compiling a module for your own kernel? |
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| 16:53.24 | Crypticfortune | JordiGH: some our lab's programs won't compile under 4.1. rather than fix all of them, 4.0 would be handy |
| 16:53.40 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: take a look at snapshot.debian.net |
| 16:53.40 | JordiGH | CharminTheMoose: Soylent green is PEOPLE! |
| 16:53.46 | JordiGH | </spoiler> |
| 16:53.50 | hark | !birthday CharminTheMoose |
| 16:53.59 | jelly-home | JordiGH: Dumbledore dies. |
| 16:54.06 | Crypticfortune | JordiGH: and as for why it's not in etch....i wish i could tell you =p |
| 16:54.07 | enouf | Crypticfortune: wait for someone else to clarify this, but you have to install gcc-4.0 yourself .. then perhaps use something like "export HOSTCC=gcc-4.0; export CC=gcc-4.0" prior to building .. I don't think update-alternatives allows a way for selecting that .. OR .. I guess you could symlink to the older version |
| 16:54.16 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father! |
| 16:54.24 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: thanks ^^ |
| 16:54.42 | stew | jelly-home: Rocky wins the last fight in "Rocky" |
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| 16:55.11 | Crypticfortune | enouf: i don't need to replace 4.1 with 4.0 for all my stuff, just a few old things. |
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| 16:55.53 | stew | Crypticfortune: "/msg dpkg sdn" then use the CC= env variable to switch between 4.0 and 4.1, gcc isn't managed by alternatives |
| 16:56.13 | jelly-home | there is no gcc-4.0 in testing/unstable any more, it seems |
| 16:56.27 | stew | no, it was removed in favor of gcc-4.1 |
| 16:56.47 | JordiGH | Crypticfortune: I'm really curious. Do you know exactly why it compiles in 4.0? |
| 16:56.55 | stew | Crypticfortune: you should also check to see if 4.1 has any command line switches to allow whatever broken syntax it is barfing on |
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| 16:57.40 | JordiGH | stew: oh, good call. It probably does, unless whatever behaviour 4.0 was having that worked for Crypticfortune is considered a bug. |
| 16:57.43 | Crypticfortune | stew: good idea. i didnt even know 4.1 was out until it appeared in this box =p |
| 16:58.20 | Crypticfortune | JordiGH: yeah, i suspect i wrote something i shouldnt have. i'll look up exactly what's killing it... |
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| 16:58.55 | beau | can someone help me mount my ipod? |
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| 16:59.05 | enouf | Crypticfortune: you may need to enable contrib non-free in sources.list to obtain the docs ??? |
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| 16:59.24 | enouf | Crypticfortune: I'm very unclear about it all |
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| 16:59.45 | enouf | beau: same question ? and after all that advice .. no report? |
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| 17:00.08 | beau | sorry I had to go suddenly |
| 17:00.12 | beau | not a bot |
| 17:00.23 | karsten | beau: /lastlog |
| 17:00.56 | beau | honestly I am a n00b and I need a little help |
| 17:01.09 | Ronin | beau: like karsten said /lastlog |
| 17:01.15 | karsten | !ipod |
| 17:01.16 | dpkg | well, ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 17:01.48 | beau | I have gtkpod, but it can't mount the ipod |
| 17:01.49 | karsten | beau: '/lastlog' should show you recent irc conversation (or just scroll back in your client). |
| 17:02.04 | karsten | JordiGH: According to recent houseguests, yes. |
| 17:03.27 | beau | so essantially I need to know how to mount a usb drive |
| 17:03.42 | stew | beau: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 17:03.55 | JordiGH | karsten: You better watch out? You better be free? You better stay free, I'm telling you why? Did RMS come to your town? |
| 17:04.06 | karsten | JordiGH: Ayup. |
| 17:04.25 | karsten | JordiGH: Jolly Saint Ignucius hisself. |
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| 17:04.30 | Crypticfortune | JordiGH: oh. now that i actually check out what code was breaking, yeah, it's a dumb syntax mistake that i can't believe was passable under gcc-4.0 (declaring a function void foo::bar() instead of the declaration of class foo!) |
| 17:04.38 | beau | stew : please be patient should I type that in a terminal? |
| 17:04.51 | stew | beau: in your irc client |
| 17:04.54 | karsten | beau: In your IRC client. |
| 17:04.59 | beau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.05 | stew | beau: without the leading space |
| 17:05.19 | beau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.20 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. ask me about <automount> |
| 17:05.21 | karsten | beau: 'dpkg' is a bot. It's got factoids. What I did earlier (!ipod) was one way of signaling the bot. |
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| 17:05.23 | elshaa | hi |
| 17:05.29 | karsten | !tell beau about usb-storage |
| 17:05.33 | karsten | beau: ... ^^ is another. |
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| 17:05.40 | JordiGH | karsten: I really want to watch him do that routine sometime. Not least of why because my lifestyle heavily depends on Emacs. |
| 17:05.51 | karsten | !comfort JordiGH |
| 17:05.52 | dpkg | There, there, JordiGH. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:06.07 | karsten | JordiGH: We set up a system here for him to use.... |
| 17:06.14 | karsten | JordiGH: ... so I aliased 'emacs' to 'ed'. |
| 17:06.15 | elshaa | if I want to replicate quotas on a machine with the same partition table, do I just need to copy the aquota.* files from 1 host to the other ? |
| 17:06.25 | JordiGH | karsten: You didn't! |
| 17:06.44 | JordiGH | karsten: I'm guessing he was amused, to say the least. ;-) |
| 17:06.55 | beau | karsten : could you walk me through that? |
| 17:07.01 | karsten | JordiGH: Unfortunately I don't think he used it. |
| 17:07.08 | karsten | beau: Not at present. |
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| 17:07.54 | JordiGH | karsten: I do wonder why the M-x praise-be-unto-emacs function got removed. Maybe I should read the changelogs... |
| 17:08.09 | karsten | Heh. |
| 17:08.24 | beau | how do i load a module? |
| 17:08.28 | karsten | Apparently he's also been impressed by recent versions of vim. |
| 17:08.31 | karsten | beau: man modprobe |
| 17:08.41 | karsten | beau: or more directly: modprobe <modulename> |
| 17:08.58 | stew | awesome, vrms catches: emacs21-common-non-dfsg |
| 17:09.05 | stew | how gloriously ironic |
| 17:09.13 | JordiGH | karsten: The guy is actually a little more sensible than people sometimes give him credit for. How's the beard? Is it true he smells? |
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| 17:09.17 | jelly-home | vrms has a bug |
| 17:09.34 | karsten | JordiGH: He has a keen sense of smell. |
| 17:09.39 | JordiGH | jelly-home: It has many. |
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| 17:09.53 | jelly-home | shouldn't vrms accept, like, GFDL doc at least? :-) |
| 17:09.55 | karsten | ... and the beard is beardful. |
| 17:09.56 | JordiGH | jelly-home: The most grave bug, imho, is that it reports on GFDL. |
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| 17:10.07 | beau | karsten : I got this Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-686/modules.dep |
| 17:10.10 | jelly-home | JordiGH: my thoughts exactly! |
| 17:10.32 | karsten | beau: IIRC there's a suggestion that follows, possibly "re-run depmod -a". Try that. |
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| 17:11.25 | JordiGH | jelly-home: #364971 |
| 17:12.06 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Anyways, new GFDL is due out this year, and hopefully this embarrassment will become a thing of the past. |
| 17:12.10 | jelly-home | JordiGH: wishlist only? meh. |
| 17:12.10 | beau | like this ? modprobe re-run depmod -a ? |
| 17:12.45 | JordiGH | jelly-home: There's more than one bug that amounts to the same thing. |
| 17:12.54 | cahoot | beau: depmod -a |
| 17:12.56 | karsten | beau: No. Just "depmod -a" |
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| 17:13.21 | jelly-home | hehe "vrms and RMS disagree sometimes..." |
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| 17:14.19 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Y'know, it wouldn't be so hard to send a patch. vrms is just a Perl script. |
| 17:14.35 | JordiGH | jelly-home: And not a very long one at that. |
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| 17:15.41 | karsten | JordiGH: Y'know, it really _should_ be written in lisp. |
| 17:15.54 | BarryAllen | hi all, someone can say, if the samba package of sarge, have acl's enabled ? |
| 17:16.05 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yeah, but how to detect packages that are in non-free solely because of GFDL? |
| 17:16.11 | beau | karsten : ok I installed those modules , now what ? |
| 17:16.27 | karsten | beau: Whatever the rest of the factoid told you. |
| 17:16.31 | JordiGH | jelly-home: They usually have -doc at the end. ;-) |
| 17:16.41 | karsten | beau: cat /proc/partitions |
| 17:17.00 | JordiGH | jelly-home: And there aren't that many GFDLed packages current Debian thinking finds unacceptable. |
| 17:17.04 | karsten | beau: Should see something like /dev/sd[abcd] in there (that is /dev/sda or sdb or...) |
| 17:17.13 | JordiGH | jelly-home: We could just make a special case for them |
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| 17:17.52 | karsten | JordiGH: Of vrms finds GFDL objectionable, shouldn't it be considered more strictly doctrinaire than RMS? Doesn't that make it the _virtuous_ RMS? |
| 17:18.05 | Guerin | there's only one thing to say |
| 17:18.14 | Guerin | RMS has been replaced with a small perl script |
| 17:18.30 | JordiGH | Guerin: But the Perl script is broken... |
| 17:18.43 | karsten | JordiGH: But you repeat Guerin. |
| 17:18.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 17:18.55 | stew | JordiGH: RMS is broken if he thinks documentation isnt' software |
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| 17:19.01 | zimnyx | i got 30MB xml which i want to validate, do you know some linux commandlien tools? |
| 17:19.05 | Guerin | the t-shirt doesn't say GOOD perl script |
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| 17:19.26 | JordiGH | stew: I still think that applying the GPL to the "free software needs free documentation rant" is strange. |
| 17:19.28 | karsten | zimnyx: Depends on the XML DTD. What is it? |
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| 17:19.44 | stew | JordiGH: i'm not sure i know what you mean |
| 17:19.49 | JordiGH | stew: And apparently a few other DDs thought so too, but not enough for the resolution to fail. |
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| 17:20.04 | Guerin | zimnyx: the w3c tools are in debian, but what I'd probably use is emacs' nxml-mod, which will validate graphically, allowing you to edit and have it re-validate on the fly |
| 17:20.05 | beau | karsten : where do I look for that? |
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| 17:20.12 | karsten | zimnyx: 'aptitude search xml validator' turns up a number of things. |
| 17:20.29 | karsten | beau: When I say something like 'cat /proc/partitions', that's a command you run in a terminal. |
| 17:20.36 | beau | ok |
| 17:20.37 | karsten | beau: In general, you'd look for that on your monitor. |
| 17:20.53 | JordiGH | stew: The Emacs docs are non-free mostly because of that invariant section. Same for the GSL docs. They also have another invariant section that details authors and other administrivia. To say that I should be allowed to modify RMS's words because there are bugs in them and they're software just sounds weird to me. |
| 17:21.18 | karsten | beau: cat rm df cd ls vi grep find -- are all basic Linux commands. Learn 'em and love 'em. 'man <comandname>' for more. |
| 17:21.34 | stew | JordiGH: that's fine. they just don't belong in debian if i can't modify them |
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| 17:21.55 | Guerin | documentation is clearly software, however a manifesto isn't really |
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| 17:22.07 | stew | JordiGH: its silly that it would be illegal for me to make a wallet sized emacs reference card and give it to you. |
| 17:22.08 | beau | ok I ran the command, what do i look for |
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| 17:23.21 | karsten | !tell zimnyx about search |
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| 17:23.45 | jelly-home | why : ? |
| 17:24.07 | JordiGH | stew: I see that point now... I know... but some parts of documentation just shouldn't be modifiable, perhaps removable, though. Hopefully the next GFDL will clarify this. Then again, I'm not sure how, because RMS doesn't really want those sections to be removable either. |
| 17:24.07 | karsten | beau: What did I tell you to look for the first time? |
| 17:24.07 | karsten | !tell beau about paster |
| 17:24.08 | beau | deva |
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| 17:24.20 | stew | JordiGH: aiui, the fsf has no interest in making documentation free |
| 17:24.26 | karsten | beau: ... alternatively paste the output and we can look at it. *TO THE PASTEBIN* not to channel. |
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| 17:24.35 | Crypticfortune | so, the http link that snapshot.debian.net gave me for gcc-4.0 doesnt work (404 file not found), but i'm guessing it might still be in the repository... is there a handy way to grab just one package from a non-standard source? (i don't really want to be including snapshot in the vast majority of my apt-cache search queries) |
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| 17:24.39 | JordiGH | stew: Eben is working on a new GFDL. |
| 17:24.45 | karsten | stew: The FSF *does* freely license much of its docs, just not under DFSG terms. |
| 17:24.55 | beau | how do i post to paste bin? |
| 17:25.06 | karsten | beau: X or console? |
| 17:25.06 | Ronin | beau: copy and paste of course |
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| 17:25.09 | stew | JordiGH: and allowing an unmodifiable section to be removed would defeat the purpose, since then I'd be able to remove the manifesto, then add back a different manifesto |
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| 17:25.43 | beau | paste to where? |
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| 17:25.49 | karsten | !paster |
| 17:25.49 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:25.54 | karsten | beau: ^^ there |
| 17:25.58 | karsten | beau: In your browser. |
| 17:26.07 | JordiGH | stew: So what's your proposed solution? |
| 17:26.08 | beau | thanks |
| 17:26.18 | JordiGH | stew: Or do you think things are fine as they are? |
| 17:26.33 | JordiGH | karsten: Maybe beau is pretty, but y'know... |
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| 17:26.34 | jelly-home | JordiGH: differentiate docs from software somehow. ;-) |
| 17:26.36 | karsten | beau: You should see a message from dpkg earlier somewhere in your IRC client with the same text. |
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| 17:26.43 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Debian already voted against that. |
| 17:26.52 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yeah, once. |
| 17:27.02 | stew | karsten: to me that reads, "the fsf free licenses much of its docs under non-free terms", which is non-sensical |
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| 17:27.08 | karsten | JordiGH: Hey, it's not like *I* suffer t'account of my insanely good looks. |
| 17:27.17 | beau | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5507 |
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| 17:27.38 | stew | JordiGH: i'm fine with the current situation. in my ideal world, the FSF would reconsider documentation as software and treat it as such. |
| 17:27.39 | karsten | stew: There are cover materials which are invariant. The bulk of the docs aren't. This isn't the place for that discussion. |
| 17:27.41 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I haven't read the constitution. How do you revote on old issues? |
| 17:28.02 | stew | karsten: yes, i'm certainly aware of why they are non-free |
| 17:28.11 | JordiGH | stew: And no manifestos? Modifiable manifestos? Removable manifestos? |
| 17:28.13 | stew | JordiGH: you propose a new GR |
| 17:28.35 | stew | JordiGH: any of the above would be fine by me |
| 17:28.41 | karsten | Feh. What kernel b0rkage does the host/bus/target/lun thing? And how do you get back to /dev/[sh]d[a-g] format? |
| 17:28.48 | karsten | beau: Sec. |
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| 17:29.07 | karsten | beau: 'dmsg | grep -i usb' says what? Pastebin that if you could |
| 17:29.16 | stew | JordiGH: i don't feel like saying, "if you want to publish the documentation for this software, you also must publish my propaganda" is a good situation |
| 17:29.22 | karsten | beau: dmesg | grpe -i usb |
| 17:29.23 | simbios | hi, I am looking for a program that shows me the bios id string of my motherboard. does anyone know any? |
| 17:29.31 | karsten | simbios: dmidecode |
| 17:29.34 | karsten | simbios: I think. |
| 17:29.38 | simbios | thx man |
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| 17:30.20 | karsten | beau: While you're at it, "uname -a" output. |
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| 17:30.47 | JordiGH | stew: This seems like a rather touchy subject. It's sort of like the BSDers who think the GPL isn't really free. :-/ |
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| 17:31.30 | karsten | simbios: Finding what you want there? |
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| 17:32.01 | JordiGH | stew: The propaganda doesn't actually interfere with your usage or modification of the actual documentation. It's near the back, and you can ignore it if you wish. The reference cards should probably be allowed to have removable propaganda, though. Maybe the next GFDL can say something about invariant sections being removable if only a small portion of the text is reproduced. |
| 17:32.02 | simbios | mmm I get this at the end: Invalid entry length (0). DMI table is broken! Stop. :S |
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| 17:32.13 | elshaa | if I set quotas on /data/ (/dev/hda1) and that /data/stuff is on an other partition, will /data/stuff inherit from the /data quotas? |
| 17:32.21 | karsten | simbios: Sucks to be you :-/ |
| 17:33.13 | JordiGH | stew: Though there are certainly loopholes in the GFDL, such as being able to name that ALL of the documentation is an invariant section. |
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| 17:33.22 | karsten | elshaa: No |
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| 17:33.28 | simbios | it says Serial Number: but it doesn't show anything there :( |
| 17:33.32 | JordiGH | stew: I've often wondered if I could insert a manifesto somewhere in Wikipedia and then claim that it's an invariant section. |
| 17:33.36 | karsten | elshaa: Quotas are partition- (well, filesystem) based |
| 17:33.37 | karsten | We lost beau? |
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| 17:33.38 | elshaa | karsten: ok. Thanks |
| 17:33.52 | simbios | karsten: thx anyway |
| 17:34.09 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: then you're violating [[WP:POINT]] :) |
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| 17:34.38 | karsten | simbios: NP. Might try that on a different system. Vendor stuff varies a lot. Or (possibly) something like arcinfo under 'Doze. |
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| 17:34.45 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: or you would be, i mean |
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| 17:35.10 | karsten | simbios: Um. Wrong tool. |
| 17:36.06 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: So which has higher precedence? The GFDL or Wikipedia's policies? The latter is legal, the former isn't. |
| 17:36.10 | JordiGH | Er, s/lega/former |
| 17:36.17 | karsten | simbios: Belarc Advisor. |
| 17:36.19 | karsten | simbios: Not sure that includes BIOS information, but it might. |
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| 17:36.19 | karsten | simbios: http://www.belarc.com/free_download.html |
| 17:36.21 | jelly-home | sisoft sandra? |
| 17:36.21 | simbios | ok, I will try that. |
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| 17:37.05 | JordiGH | GFDL is legal, Wikipedia's policies aren't. |
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| 17:37.06 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: invariant sections can be removed, no? |
| 17:37.07 | JordiGH | I could sue Wikipedia under the terms of the GFDL if they modified my invariant section! |
| 17:37.07 | NefariousPrior | What ever happened to /proc/pci? That was really usefull. |
| 17:37.12 | stew | SerajewelKS: not from GFDL licensed document |
| 17:37.59 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: No. |
| 17:37.59 | karsten | NefariousPrior: /proc/bus/pci |
| 17:37.59 | SerajewelKS | stew: i thought they could not be modified, but could be removed in their entirety |
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| 17:38.34 | NefariousPrior | karsten, yeah, but that has much less usefull info. /proc/pci had brand names and chip names and the like. 8-/ |
| 17:38.38 | karsten | NefariousPrior: Apparently lspci uses /sys/bus/pci/devices/* these days. |
| 17:38.39 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: No, RMS doesn't want you to remove his rants wherever they are present. |
| 17:38.42 | karsten | NefariousPrior: man lspci |
| 17:38.43 | stew | SerajewelKS: no, read 4L |
| 17:38.52 | NefariousPrior | karsten, ahh, thanks |
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| 17:39.07 | karsten | NefariousPrior: The translation's in /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
| 17:39.14 | karsten | NefariousPrior: I'm stracing lspci now ;-) |
| 17:39.23 | dw_ | I've just been unbelievably stupid and at least partly formatted my /home partition |
| 17:39.38 | dw_ | what might be my best chance at recovering some of it? |
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| 17:39.46 | NefariousPrior | karsten, yeah, lspci is exactly what I was looking for. Gonna try getting my other vid card to work. 8-) |
| 17:40.00 | karsten | NefariousPrior: FTW! |
| 17:40.04 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: in that case, it may be appropriate to start a discussion at the village pump |
| 17:40.10 | karsten | dw_: Backups. |
| 17:40.29 | dw_ | karsten: that won't get anything back |
| 17:40.34 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: It hasn't happened yet, and prostitution is also technically illegal, but "tolerated". |
| 17:40.40 | dw_ | and I have backups of some things, but not everything unfortunately |
| 17:40.45 | NefariousPrior | karsten, I only know one thing FTW could stand for and I don't know how that applies. lol |
| 17:40.51 | pf | hello |
| 17:41.03 | jelly-home | dw_: make a copy of the whole device (partition) to another disk |
| 17:41.04 | pf | anybody develop on c++ |
| 17:41.18 | NefariousPrior | pf, no one ever |
| 17:41.37 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: except, no, you're wrong. according to [[Wikipedia:Copyrights]]: Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation; with no Invariant Sections, with no Front-Cover Texts, and with no Back-Cover Texts. |
| 17:41.38 | pf | i think i have discovered a g++ or gdb bug |
| 17:41.44 | karsten | dw_: If you've *only* reformatted the partition, dd-recover, and/or gpart, might recover _some_ of your data, but you're pretty much basickally fucked ATM. |
| 17:41.55 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: so they use the no-invariants version |
| 17:42.00 | karsten | !ftw |
| 17:42.01 | dpkg | hmm... ftw is fuck the world. For The Win |
| 17:42.09 | karsten | NefariousPrior: Instance #2 |
| 17:42.12 | JordiGH | SerajewelKS: Ah, that is different. |
| 17:42.16 | dw_ | karsten: I'll try those two :( |
| 17:42.23 | sidjster | how hard would it be to make a linux home entertainment unit? |
| 17:42.28 | SerajewelKS | JordiGH: yes, though i agree that the message at the bottom could be clearer |
| 17:42.30 | NefariousPrior | karsten, ahh, lol |
| 17:42.48 | karsten | dw_: First step: dd the disk onto other media. Work your recovery from *that* (preserve the initial instance). |
| 17:42.53 | NefariousPrior | !console junky |
| 17:43.02 | pf | i cannot see local variables in a constructor class |
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| 17:43.06 | sidjster | a few of us need to get together and start a business |
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| 17:43.20 | dw_ | karsten: problem is it was a 190 gig partition, and I don't have any other disks :/ |
| 17:43.20 | karsten | simbios: ubuntu! |
| 17:43.21 | nn-srv | hi |
| 17:43.28 | pf | I dont know if is a gcc or gdb bug |
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| 17:43.30 | karsten | dw_: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 17:43.40 | jelly-home | dw_: so buy some? |
| 17:44.05 | stew | sidjster: ask tivo how hard it is |
| 17:44.06 | karsten | dw_: if you want your data back: buy, beg, borrow, or steal. |
| 17:44.21 | sidjster | what does tivo run on? |
| 17:44.26 | stew | sidjster: linux |
| 17:44.40 | karsten | simbios: sample belarc output BTW: http://www.memorysuppliers.com/besyad.html |
| 17:44.52 | dw_ | hm, steal |
| 17:45.06 | JordiGH | pf: Maybe pibkac |
| 17:45.19 | nn-srv | what is /etc/email-adresses for???? |
| 17:45.40 | SerajewelKS | !!!! |
| 17:45.40 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
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| 17:45.51 | SerajewelKS | close enough |
| 17:45.55 | karsten | nn-srv: What's it say at the top of the file? |
| 17:46.01 | NefariousPrior | !pibkac |
| 17:46.10 | SerajewelKS | !pebkac |
| 17:46.10 | jelly-home | pebkac? |
| 17:46.10 | dpkg | from memory, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
| 17:46.11 | NefariousPrior | dpkg doesn't like me. lol |
| 17:46.23 | SerajewelKS | NefariousPrior: it's pebkac, not pibkac |
| 17:46.24 | sidjster | tivo is lame tho |
| 17:46.38 | JordiGH | pf: But you really think you found a bug in gcc? |
| 17:46.54 | karsten | nn-srv: local names are rewritten per rules in that file, when sent off-system. |
| 17:46.57 | NefariousPrior | picnic --> Problem in chair, not in computer. |
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| 17:48.30 | nn-srv | ? is that file to forwod outgoing email to a nother server? |
| 17:49.27 | SerajewelKS | i think i found a bug in gcc, but the maintainers don't believe me |
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| 17:49.37 | pf | JordiGH: I tryed a very simple code in sarge and etch |
| 17:49.44 | pf | in srage works |
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| 17:51.16 | pf | in etch doesnt work |
| 17:51.16 | JordiGH | pf: Talk is cheap. Show us the code. |
| 17:51.17 | pf | ok |
| 17:51.17 | JordiGH | btw, http://www.showusthecode.org |
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| 17:51.17 | JordiGH | Er, .com |
| 17:52.02 | dw_ | karsten: I won't be able to get my hands on another 250gig disk so I'm just going to try my luck with those I guess |
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| 17:52.16 | karsten | dw_: It's your data. Your problem. |
| 17:52.24 | sidjster | harsh |
| 17:52.36 | dw_ | karsten: thanks, I almost forgot. |
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| 17:52.51 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know what xserver to use for a geforce2 mx400 ? |
| 17:52.58 | Crypticfortune | ok, that snapshot stuff isnt working for me for gcc-4.0. so i'm just going to manually install it. i dont see checkinstall in etch, should i use equivs instead? |
| 17:53.09 | stew | NefariousPrior: you mean which driver? "nv" |
| 17:53.25 | NefariousPrior | stew: yes, thanks |
| 17:53.32 | stew | Crypticfortune: why isn't it working for you? |
| 17:53.34 | karsten | sidjster: Truth hurts. |
| 17:53.39 | karsten | sidjster: Data loss hurts worse. |
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| 17:54.03 | sidjster | i love wiping other peoples disks |
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| 17:54.33 | Crypticfortune | stew: too many dependencies to get... (or maybe im doing the getting wrong?) |
| 17:54.34 | pf | JordiGH http://cpp.sourceforge.net/?show=31253 |
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| 17:54.54 | stew | Crypticfortune: show us the command you are trying, and the output |
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| 17:55.05 | stew | Crypticfortune: /msg dpkg paste |
| 17:55.35 | Smoked1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.41 | pf | JordiGH i tried to print variable i in the constructor and "No symbol found" |
| 17:55.46 | sidjster | 4 |
| 17:56.27 | Smoked1 | Thanks |
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| 17:56.55 | jelly-home | Smoked1: how many hits / day? How many sites/domains? |
| 17:57.03 | sidjster | unless you are trying to serve the whole internet |
| 17:57.18 | Smoked1 | About 6 sites that are quite busy |
| 17:57.40 | ponyofdeath | hi, anyone know how if when i define a host in dhcpd.conf to get an ip based on mac if the hostname i specify in dhcp conf will be the one added to the dns if i have dynamic dns going? |
| 17:57.41 | karsten | Smoked1: That's an impossible question to answer meaningfully here. |
| 17:57.54 | Smoked1 | The server would not be at much of a load right now but I am thinking about the future |
| 17:57.57 | karsten | Smoked1: http://www.amazon.com/Scalable-Internet-Architectures-Developers-Library/dp/067232699X |
| 17:58.00 | karsten | Smoked1: Read that. |
| 17:58.25 | Smoked1 | k |
| 17:58.36 | sidjster | id take the 4 rigs any day |
| 17:58.37 | JordiGH | pf: I'm about to try your code, but bear in mind that it's also entirely possible that gcc optimised your variable out. |
| 17:58.47 | stew | Smoked1: if your web application is cpu bound, you are probably doing something wrong |
| 17:59.02 | Crypticfortune | stew: well, after adding "deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool gcc-4.0" to apt.sources, this is what happens: http://rafb.net/p/I5xvFM82.html |
| 17:59.12 | Smoked1 | I am just looking to get the most out of my money |
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| 18:00.01 | karsten | Smoked1: Build a scalable system. If you're concerned about availability, build in redundancy as well. |
| 18:00.06 | sidjster | fill them with ram |
| 18:00.10 | stew | Crypticfortune: can you show the output of "apt-cache policy gcc-4.0 gcc-4.0-base g++-4.0" ? |
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| 18:00.18 | AlphaDOG | I need all CD'S for install debian? |
| 18:00.22 | sidjster | raid what ever and keep em cool |
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| 18:00.35 | Smoked1 | Yes, the server has 4GB of RAM and 6 36GB U320 drives |
| 18:00.46 | JordiGH | pf: Tsk! Global using declarations! |
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| 18:02.03 | Crypticfortune | stew: i just realized maybe i should have put all those lines from snapshot.debian into apt.sources, so i tried that, but anyway, here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/C8zsB467.html |
| 18:02.08 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: what if you try gcc-4.0=4.0.3-6 |
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| 18:02.37 | AlphaDOG | I can only do a minimal install with debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso? |
| 18:03.16 | Ronin | AlphaDOG: no, you can do an install then use apt-get to get foo |
| 18:03.28 | Crypticfortune | jelly-home: er i'm confused. you mean like "apt-get install gcc-4.0=4.0.3-6"? is this some syntax i haven't heard of? |
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| 18:03.32 | sidjster | i cant take it |
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| 18:03.40 | AlphaDOG | I want to get a install of debian with only one cd |
| 18:03.43 | jelly-home | Crypticfortune: yes, but disregard that |
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| 18:03.51 | sidjster | good for you alpha |
| 18:04.00 | sidjster | have a blast |
| 18:04.02 | knight | hi how can i save a page using wget? |
| 18:04.04 | karsten | !netinst |
| 18:04.05 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 18:04.13 | karsten | knight: man wget. |
| 18:04.22 | karsten | knight: '-O <filename>' |
| 18:04.35 | stew | Crypticfortune: try: "apt-get install gcc-4.0=4.0.3-6 gcc-4.0-base=4.0.3-6 g++-4.0=4.0.3-6"... |
| 18:04.48 | pf | JordiGH: About optimization i compiled it with g++ -ggdb -O0 *.cpp |
| 18:04.51 | stew | Crypticfortune: (or just fix your code so that it compiles with 4.1, which you are going to have to do eventually) |
| 18:05.00 | AlphaDOG | can anyone can link me to a link? |
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| 18:05.14 | sidjster | you do get an install of debian with 1 iso cd |
| 18:05.26 | trajan__ | knight, wget 'link' |
| 18:05.29 | jelly-home | Ronin: uh, why couldn't he do a base install with cd1? |
| 18:05.30 | trajan__ | thats all |
| 18:05.46 | AlphaDOG | debian-31r0a-i386-binary-1.iso is the best? |
| 18:05.50 | sidjster | cause he already knows more than anyone here |
| 18:05.52 | stew | AlphaDOG: http://debian.org click on getting debian |
| 18:05.52 | jelly-home | AlphaDOG: if you already have the first cd, you can do the base install from it. |
| 18:05.53 | AlphaDOG | debian sarge |
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| 18:06.11 | stew | AlphaDOG: that one is fine. do you know if you can get on the internet using a stock debian kernel? |
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| 18:06.34 | pf | JordiGH: I expect that gcc does not write symbols or gdb does not read symbols |
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| 18:07.08 | AlphaDOG | stew I dont really know |
| 18:07.13 | pf | JordiGH: if its really a bug i dont know if is in gcc or gdb |
| 18:07.16 | stew | AlphaDOG: what network card do you ahve? |
| 18:07.20 | Crypticfortune | stew: ok, with that latest apt-get line, i get this. http://rafb.net/p/5JXW1n99.html |
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| 18:08.05 | stew | Crypticfortune: have you tried "apt-get -f install" |
| 18:08.13 | knight | trajan__, but wget ' link ' doesnt work |
| 18:08.20 | Crypticfortune | stew: getting closer. maybe applying the same trick to libstdc++ etc could do it... and yes, im going to fix my code. but unfortunately it's not all my code =( |
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| 18:08.39 | stew | Crypticfortune: did you gry "apt-get -f install"? |
| 18:08.48 | JordiGH | pf: Hm. You're right that I can't see the value of i. It may be a bug, but it seems like too glaring of a bug to really be one. Looking at the asm code, I see that the value of i stored in a register, apparently. |
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| 18:10.31 | Crypticfortune | stew: apt-get -f install does this: http://rafb.net/p/W5aIqR53.html (bunch of 404 not founds) |
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| 18:11.44 | sidjster | still not happy with cups resolution worked hours so far |
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| 18:12.39 | pf | JordiGH: and what about the same code works in sarge? |
| 18:12.50 | JordiGH | pf: In sarge it works? |
| 18:12.56 | knight | karsten, im not able to save a webpage using -o filename... sorry to disturb you but maybe my fault im just getting some errors listed when i use w3m to see it |
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| 18:13.17 | jelly-home | pf: sarge and etch g++ versions are wildly different, possibly gdb too |
| 18:13.42 | JordiGH | pf: Hm. http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-bugs/2003-03/msg00704.html |
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| 18:15.03 | jelly-home | JordiGH: that report is for gcc 3.2 |
| 18:15.13 | jelly-home | sarge has 3.3 by default I think |
| 18:15.29 | stew | !info gcc sarge |
| 18:15.37 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is standard. Version: 4:3.3.5-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 18:15.42 | pf | JordiGH: also, other thing: in methods that are not constructors the "print i" works |
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| 18:15.55 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I know. But it's the closest I can find. It is very weird behaviour. |
| 18:16.43 | sidjster | when do you need a spooler? |
| 18:16.56 | jelly-home | pf, JordiGH: maybe you could try gdb 6.3 (sarge) with currect g++, or vice versa and narrow the suspect. |
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| 18:17.17 | jelly-home | oooh, unstable has gdb 6.6 |
| 18:17.58 | JordiGH | jelly-home: You idiot. :-) |
| 18:18.18 | pf | jelly-home: in sarge the "print i" works |
| 18:18.44 | pf | i have tested it a few minutes ago |
| 18:19.11 | jelly-home | pf: oh well. I hear gcc 4.x has a bunch of improvements, some of them might have broken the debugger |
| 18:19.49 | enjayhch | my Debian Etch net installer seems to be a bit broken due to a missing gpg key - any suggestions on a fix? gpg and apt-key commands don't seem to be present..... |
| 18:20.28 | Crypticfortune | ugh....hell is other compilers =p |
| 18:20.32 | stew | enjayhch: you can try switching to a vt and running "apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update" |
| 18:20.37 | x_link | Hi.. if I add 2 monitors to my 6600GT card, is there any program I need or something like that for that? |
| 18:20.56 | stew | enjayhch: but this is a known problem with RC1 and the fix is to use a daily image instead |
| 18:21.24 | cahoot | x_link: tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
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| 18:21.30 | stew | !info gdb-doc |
| 18:21.32 | dpkg | gdb-doc: (The GNU Debugger Documentation), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 6.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 483 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
| 18:21.38 | x_link | cahoot: ohhh I should do it like that? |
| 18:21.43 | stew | JordiGH: suprise! non-free docs |
| 18:21.45 | x_link | I don't want to mess upp the settings on y 21" =) |
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| 18:22.14 | enjayhch | stew: this is before apt-get is available, but I will try a daily image - I am using PXE/netboot to perform install |
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| 18:22.19 | cahoot | x_link: backup xorg.conf for safety |
| 18:22.51 | tbfg | x_link, and you will need to use the nvidia propietary drivers |
| 18:22.55 | stew | JordiGH: Front Cover and Back Cover texts: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/non-free/g/gdb-doc/gdb-doc_6.6-1/gdb-doc.copyright |
| 18:22.55 | VImtermute | oy |
| 18:23.01 | x_link | cahoot: Copy it, paste it to Kedit and save it. Like that you mean? |
| 18:23.06 | JordiGH | stew: Yeah, fine, but gdb itself has a dfsg'ed version number. |
| 18:23.16 | x_link | tbfg: Is this hard or what? |
| 18:23.23 | x_link | Ahh.. I will get a bigger onitor first =) |
| 18:23.37 | x_link | This second monitor is just a 15", I just wanted to try |
| 18:23.42 | tbfg | x_link, Module assistant helps you execute "m-a m-i" as root |
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| 18:24.00 | x_link | tbfg: I didn't understand that last thing |
| 18:24.05 | x_link | Should I do that last comand now? |
| 18:24.07 | stew | JordiGH: right, becuase they had to split the .orig.tar.gz into the docs and the non-docs |
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| 18:24.17 | JordiGH | stew: Ah. |
| 18:24.23 | x_link | tbfg: Ahh I will do this another time. |
| 18:24.25 | x_link | Thanks anyway |
| 18:24.28 | stew | JordiGH: the upstream gdb tarball contains the docs, so they have to re-tar it without |
| 18:24.53 | JordiGH | stew: I see. Hm. Isn't that in violation of the GFDL, then? :-/ |
| 18:25.19 | jelly-home | the documentationectomy was apparently successful |
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| 18:26.05 | tbfg | x_link, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:26.19 | x_link | tbfg: Thanks |
| 18:26.42 | stew | JordiGH: no, the GFDL is specifically only covering "The GDB manual and associated documentation" in that tarball |
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| 18:28.37 | lotus-blade | how do you reconfig xfree86? |
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| 18:29.00 | lotus-blade | dpkg-reconfigure and then what |
| 18:29.36 | kupesoft | I've set up a wireless and wired bridge( /etc/network/interfaces @ http://www.pastebin.ca/373297 ) and for some reason traffic can't get from ath0 to eth1. I'm at a loss. Is this a firewall issue or hardware? |
| 18:29.53 | kupesoft | traffic can't get from ath0 to eth1, that is |
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| 18:31.08 | kupesoft | I've set up an ip-masquerading firewall, |
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| 18:31.38 | rpedro | hello |
| 18:32.02 | kupesoft | Everything is working excellent, except when a wireless client tries to connect to a wired client, I get a "Destination Port Unreachable" unreachable, |
| 18:32.29 | kupesoft | The gateway can reach both wired and wireless clients, |
| 18:32.32 | kupesoft | Any help? |
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| 18:32.51 | rpedro | I can't install any new packages with tasksel. the debian netinstaller cd is still broken? |
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| 18:34.11 | Edwin_Quijada | debian has mmpe into kernel . I need install a vpn with this protocol |
| 18:34.16 | Edwin_Quijada | I use debian etch4 |
| 18:34.22 | Edwin_Quijada | kernel 2.6.17 |
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| 18:34.50 | rpedro | I used the daily netinstaller from today/yesterday, and here it says it should work : http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 . any ideas? |
| 18:34.52 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: is that a question? debian does in fact have mppe support in that kernel. |
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| 18:35.40 | jelly-home | Edwin_Quijada: pptpd? |
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| 18:36.10 | Crypticfortune | is there a replacement for checkinstall in etch? |
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| 18:36.35 | mschmitt | hi |
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| 18:37.50 | mschmitt | hab ein problem, immer wenn ich meinen debian rechner starte, bleibt er ca 3 minuten bei Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac hängen |
| 18:38.03 | JordiGH | !de |
| 18:38.04 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 18:38.41 | mschmitt | #j debian.de |
| 18:39.05 | Edwin_Quijada | jelly-home: Yes!! pptpd |
| 18:39.20 | mschmitt | sry, i tought i were in the german channel |
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| 18:40.02 | jelly-home | Edwin_Quijada: I think 2.6.17 and .18 from Debian should work, but haven't tried it in a while |
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| 18:41.12 | PupenoR | Are there iso images for etch? |
| 18:41.21 | mschmitt | i have a problem, when i start my debian pc, he hangs for 3 minutes with the module Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac. can someone help me with this |
| 18:41.50 | kupesoft | Any insight on my bridging problem? |
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| 18:44.14 | akifdino | hello, i do get There is no public key available for the following key IDs: B5D0C804ADB11277 , whenever i do a apt-get. This is new, it wasn't the case befor, i tryed installing the key with gpg, but this didn't help aswell. does anyone know where the failure is? Thank you |
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| 18:44.51 | Ronin | akifdino: /topic perhaps |
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| 18:45.49 | akifdino | Ronin: dpkg does not answer |
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| 18:46.43 | stew | dpkg: tell akifdino about apt-key ADB11277 |
| 18:46.43 | peteweez | I'm looking to rip media from online flash content. I figure the best way to do this is to get the url of the media. Is there a program that can log all outgoing http requests so I can get the link? Maybe do it through a proxy on my local Apache server? |
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| 18:47.00 | akifdino | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:47.12 | akifdino | stew it didn't answer |
| 18:47.35 | akifdino | ohhh |
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| 18:47.50 | stew | 13:46 <dpkg> told akifdino about apt-key ADB11277 (gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys ADB11277 ; gpg --export ADB11277 | sudo apt-key add -;) |
| 18:47.53 | akifdino | thank you, sorry my mistake. it was answering to a private window, sorry |
| 18:48.03 | stew | no problem |
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| 18:48.20 | CoolCold | hi |
| 18:48.35 | CoolCold | anyone knows how configure dpkg to write logs? |
| 18:48.39 | CoolCold | on debian sarge |
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| 18:50.16 | simonrvn | dpkg doesn't do logs on sarge |
| 18:50.23 | NefariousPrior | Anyone know why I can move my mouse to my other monitor, but not move windows to the other monitor? |
| 18:50.28 | peteweez | If I go to say Youtube (no it's not youtube, it's just an example), and go to a video through my local apache proxy, which logs activity on the proxy, will it log the link that the flash content uses to access its media? |
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| 18:50.44 | peteweez | NefariousPrior: You have the rollover edges enabled |
| 18:50.52 | tzafrir_laptop | hi, any idea why I get the following from mlterm (terminal emulator) : |
| 18:51.07 | tzafrir_laptop | Unable to open a master pseudo-terminal device. |
| 18:51.07 | tzafrir_laptop | Unable to start - open_screen_intern() failed. |
| 18:51.17 | peteweez | NefariousPrior: right click the program on the panel, and select move to workspace... from the context menu |
| 18:51.18 | stew | CoolCold: not on sarge. that feature was added in dpkg 1.13 which wan't released until after sarge, so dpkg in etch does log |
| 18:51.19 | NefariousPrior | peteweez: Your, right. I did. But I fixed that and it still doesn't work. heh |
| 18:51.45 | enouf | peteweez: maybe try iftop |
| 18:51.47 | tzafrir_laptop | I can't seem to run mlterm, and have to revert to xterm/uxterm (which work fine) |
| 18:51.51 | peteweez | enouf: ok |
| 18:51.58 | CoolCold | stew: thanks |
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| 18:52.19 | NefariousPrior | peteweez: Yeah, switching desktops I can do, but not monitors. 8-/ |
| 18:52.24 | enouf | peteweez: read the man page .. you toggle DNS on/off with R while running |
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| 18:52.37 | peteweez | NefariousPrior: Oh OK...sry misread your question |
| 18:52.48 | peteweez | enouf: OK |
| 18:52.58 | peteweez | enouf: must be run root? |
| 18:53.06 | enouf | erm .. lemmee see |
| 18:53.16 | x_link | baah |
| 18:53.24 | peteweez | enouf: yeah I think so |
| 18:53.26 | x_link | How was I just talking to in p about transpareency? |
| 18:53.48 | enouf | peteweez: yeah |
| 18:53.52 | peteweez | enouf: and I quote: "iftop must be run with sufficient permissions to monitor all network traffic on the interface; see pcap(3) for more information, but on most systems this means that it must be run as root." |
| 18:53.59 | x_link | enouf: Hi mate |
| 18:54.09 | enouf | x_link: hola ;-) |
| 18:54.17 | x_link | enouf: Can you do me a favor, scroll up a bit and see how I was talking to about transparency, please |
| 18:54.23 | x_link | Sorry to ask about something like this. |
| 18:54.31 | enouf | hmm |
| 18:54.35 | x_link | His nick started on "e" something |
| 18:54.51 | simonrvn | x_link: pageup to scroll up |
| 18:55.00 | x_link | simonrvn: I just re-joined. |
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| 18:55.16 | simonrvn | and it cleared you screen completely? |
| 18:55.19 | simonrvn | your* |
| 18:55.25 | x_link | simonrvn: Of course. |
| 18:55.32 | x_link | I rebooted X as well. |
| 18:55.39 | peteweez | enouf: well it shows me the host...that's a start. but not a full url. |
| 18:55.46 | simonrvn | unless you quit, some clients don't do that ;) |
| 18:55.50 | x_link | simonrvn: ok |
| 18:55.53 | x_link | But I did quit =) |
| 18:56.10 | x_link | ;D |
| 18:56.16 | simonrvn | in screen |
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| 18:56.23 | x_link | simonrvn: I just want real transparency |
| 18:56.33 | x_link | I could do that in Control Center.. but then my Beryl didn't start. |
| 18:56.36 | simonrvn | anyway, let's see |
| 18:56.42 | knight | !wget |
| 18:56.42 | dpkg | i guess wget is an excellent file retrieval utility (HTTP and FTP) with many options, or the command `apt-get install wget wget-ssl` Winner of the greycat award for "Package Whose Man Page is Least Likely to be Read by Newbies". |
| 18:56.45 | x_link | I just wanted to let him know that. |
| 18:57.10 | NefariousPrior | hehe |
| 18:57.23 | simonrvn | tbfg and cahoot |
| 18:57.26 | enouf | x_link: looks like you asked about dual displays with nvidia 6600gt and were helped (though a typo was there .. it's "m-a prepare; m-a a-i") |
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| 18:57.37 | x_link | enouf: No.. not that. |
| 18:57.47 | simonrvn | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:57.48 | x_link | enouf: You don't have to look anymore =) Thanks alot anyway =) |
| 18:57.58 | x_link | simonrvn: I know... but that's not what I want now =) |
| 18:58.00 | enouf | gee .. thanks for telling me .. |
| 18:58.04 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:58.11 | simonrvn | !smack x_link |
| 18:58.24 | x_link | simonrvn: lol |
| 18:58.30 | x_link | enouf: Sorry mate =/ |
| 18:59.19 | enouf | x_link: to back a file (for ex) .. use 'cp -a /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.2007.2.26 |
| 18:59.25 | enouf | er backup |
| 18:59.34 | x_link | ok |
| 18:59.45 | enouf | x_link: the file itself tells you how to ddo it .. the comments within it |
| 18:59.47 | x_link | I just did ---> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /home/sedde |
| 19:00.03 | enouf | x_link: whatever .. that's fine |
| 19:00.03 | peteweez | OK how can I monitor what a flash application downloads? |
| 19:00.05 | akifdino | i would like to use horde, is there a debian package for it or is it better to use the source? |
| 19:00.18 | enjayhch | stew: thanks for your help - I have managed to perform an install using the daily image now |
| 19:00.39 | x_link | enouf: =) |
| 19:00.48 | enouf | x_link: you were talking about Kate and copying and pasting and such |
| 19:01.20 | x_link | I know.. but then I talked with a guy which name started with e..... i asked about transparent konsole windows etc. |
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| 19:01.26 | x_link | It was after the video card. |
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| 19:02.47 | enouf | peteweez: ok .. tried .. there might be a way wget or curl can get it .. I know "xml2" can take a pages xml/html content and parse it .. ermm |
| 19:04.28 | x_link | enouf: Is there nothing I can add in my xorg.conf to get real transparency= |
| 19:04.30 | x_link | ? |
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| 19:04.44 | enouf | peteweez: perhaps something like wget -q -O - http://slashdot.org/ | html2 | grep 'a/@href' | cut -d\= -f 2- | sort | uniq .. see http://ofb.net/~egnor/xml2/examples |
| 19:05.03 | x_link | I want that for my konsole, I don't want to use this fake transparency that just uses the wallpaper as background |
| 19:05.07 | enouf | x_link: I really have no idea .. sorry |
| 19:05.17 | x_link | enouf: Np. thanks anyway |
| 19:05.18 | peteweez | enouf: could work |
| 19:05.37 | x01 | x_link: google beryl |
| 19:05.40 | kelsin | x_link: there is not, you need to get compiz, or beryl or use xcompmgr with transet as far as I know to get real transparency |
| 19:05.41 | peteweez | enouf: I think the jerks hid the url in the actionscript tho...I decompiled it and found nothing |
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| 19:06.02 | peteweez | enouf: thanks anyway |
| 19:06.07 | enouf | peteweez: they do hide that stuff |
| 19:06.12 | peteweez | enouf: I know man |
| 19:06.16 | x_link | kelsin: I use Beryl 0.2.0-avn already |
| 19:06.37 | peteweez | enouf: I "hacked" a video site once...figured out the video links...they're HIDDEN man! |
| 19:06.39 | x_link | There is something you can do, need to compile. The program is called kdebase, but I don't know how to do. |
| 19:06.52 | x_link | kelsin: So there is a way =) but alot of work. |
| 19:07.05 | x01 | umm |
| 19:07.10 | enouf | peteweez: I used to take a link one by one and follw them .. kinda like .rm files contained another differnet URL and such .. there's a way .. maybe check your browser's cache for URLs after visiting the main page |
| 19:07.26 | peteweez | ah yeah |
| 19:07.29 | peteweez | I forgot about that |
| 19:07.30 | peteweez | thanks |
| 19:07.36 | kelsin | x_link: Well if you're running beryl you should be getting real transperency, I'm confused at what you question about xorg.conf was asking then |
| 19:07.38 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 19:07.44 | x01 | x_link: kde has native transparency support |
| 19:07.50 | eisen | x_link: so it did not work? |
| 19:07.57 | x01 | bleh =/ |
| 19:08.04 | x_link | eisen: There you are =) |
| 19:08.04 | x01 | time to backup |
| 19:08.09 | x_link | I forgot your nick |
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| 19:08.13 | eisen | heh |
| 19:08.41 | x_link | x01: What does native mean? |
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| 19:09.47 | kelsin | The windows manager int he current kde (kwin) has transperency control in it (like transet) so if you have the new xorg and the right options enabled you can just use kde to get real transperency |
| 19:09.47 | x01 | "built-in" |
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| 19:10.14 | x01 | kde has transset since v2.x i think |
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| 19:10.28 | enouf | whoa |
| 19:11.06 | enouf | ahh better ;-) |
| 19:11.15 | xand | probably a spam bot |
| 19:11.19 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:11.26 | xand | they tend to be from 88.* |
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| 19:11.39 | mschmitt | i have a problem, when i start my debian pc, he hangs for 3 minutes with the module Real Time Clock Driver v1.12ac. can someone help me with this? |
| 19:11.50 | enouf | names like that .. sure .. I keep thinking of Roy Sheider in All that Jazz, its Shotime folks! |
| 19:11.55 | enouf | er showtime |
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| 19:12.16 | knight | is it possible to save .asp pages using wget? |
| 19:12.34 | abrotman | the code or the generated output ? |
| 19:12.36 | enouf | Active Server Pages .. redmond? .... mwahaha |
| 19:12.54 | kelsin | knight: it will download the output of the asp page, not the source |
| 19:13.00 | enouf | that's like JSP i would think |
| 19:13.13 | Gnea | knight: it's no different than saving a php page |
| 19:13.29 | kelsin | knight: in order to somehow get the actual page (asp, php, jsp, whatever it is) is to configure the webserver to just server the file without processing it, or provide another way to download the file |
| 19:13.43 | kelsin | knight: or if you have ftp access to the same site you can wget to get the file that way |
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| 19:14.36 | BullWeivel | whats the best tool to check/fix a hardrive ?? |
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| 19:14.55 | Thomas___- | can I create the partitions before installing debian and install debian in theses partitions ? |
| 19:15.26 | BullWeivel | Thomas yes you can. |
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| 19:15.39 | BullWeivel | or you can just use the tools when your doing the install. |
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| 19:17.19 | abrotman | BullWeivel: that's crazy talk! |
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| 19:17.54 | EnsignRedshirt | Is there a program that shows the dependency tree of a package? No just the immediate dependencies, but the dependencies' dependencies, and so on. |
| 19:18.05 | EnsignRedshirt | s/No /Not / |
| 19:18.42 | BullWeivel | abrotman: what is crazy talk ? |
| 19:19.04 | hark | EnsignRedshirt: apt-rdepends |
| 19:19.29 | Thomas___- | hmm, I can create the swap partition after install ? |
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| 19:19.44 | senur_alex | So free unrar is not an excutable file? |
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| 19:20.27 | EnsignRedshirt | hark: Thanks, that looks like what I want. |
| 19:20.30 | akifdino | senur_alex: is your name turkish? |
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| 19:22.01 | knight | kelsin, i dont have ftp access to that site |
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| 19:24.26 | senur_alex | akifdino: my name is not turkish, why do you ask? |
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| 19:28.23 | lechef | how can i install ia32-libs-kde with apt-get? |
| 19:28.35 | lechef | i have the amd64 debian |
| 19:28.47 | lechef | i get package not found |
| 19:29.23 | lechef | apt-cache search ia32 returns only ia32-libs |
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| 19:29.37 | lechef | but they dont include the ia32-libs-kde package |
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| 19:30.50 | anirban | Hi where I can find the package nspluginwrapper |
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| 19:31.04 | anirban | is there any repository containing it |
| 19:31.17 | pirast | hi i am searching a mentor |
| 19:31.25 | stew | anirban: it hasn't been packaged yet. its being worked on though |
| 19:31.30 | stew | (at least the last time i checked) |
| 19:31.44 | stew | lechef: iirc it was removed from debian temporarily becuase it was too buggy |
| 19:31.52 | anirban | I got one link http://choralone.org/debian/n/nspluginwrapper/ |
| 19:31.59 | xand | lechef: there is no such package |
| 19:32.01 | anirban | do you think it is okay to download |
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| 19:32.35 | lechef | hmm |
| 19:32.39 | holycow | guys, offtopic, does anyone here use the xmllint command? just wondering how to MAKE SURE this is validating properly |
| 19:32.43 | lechef | seems like i need chroot |
| 19:32.54 | pirast | hi stew :-) |
| 19:32.57 | stew | hi |
| 19:33.21 | pirast | stew, could you have a look at zatacka on debian mentors? http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/maintainer-packages?action=details;package=zatacka |
| 19:33.33 | NefariousPrior | Are there any current issues with sound in gaim on etch? sound work for everything else it seems. |
| 19:33.43 | stew | pirast: ask #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 19:33.43 | pirast | stew, i was unsure how to name it because lintian gave warnings back.. |
| 19:33.50 | pirast | okay |
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| 19:35.12 | kelsin | Knight_Lord: If you don't have access to the site via ssh or ftp then there isn't a non-crack way to get the asp, php, jsp etc source from a site |
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| 19:35.21 | kelsin | Knight_Lord: wrong knight, sorry |
| 19:36.10 | xand | I wonder if he's a real knight like Bill Gates! |
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| 19:36.34 | xand | :D |
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| 19:37.13 | stew | pirast: do you have "Maintainer: Gürkan Sengün <gurkan@linuks.mine.nu>" in the control file on purpose? |
| 19:37.30 | stew | pirast: oh, this is for an NMU? |
| 19:37.37 | pirast | stew, yes |
| 19:37.39 | stew | !info zatacka |
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| 19:37.44 | pirast | lets move to mentors :-) |
| 19:37.48 | dpkg | zatacka: (Arcade multiplayer game like nibbles), section games, is optional. Version: 0.1.5dfsg1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 148 kB |
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| 19:38.28 | Suprano | !info taspring |
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| 19:40.02 | AlphaDOG | I want to install debain with only one cd "debian-31r5-i386-binary-1.iso" its good? |
| 19:40.25 | Ronin | AlphaDOG: yes that will give you a base install |
| 19:40.41 | AlphaDOG | and its the more stable version? |
| 19:40.57 | AlphaDOG | dont got iso server cd for debian? |
| 19:40.59 | lechef | stupid organisatory question: |
| 19:41.07 | lechef | where do i put my installed programs? |
| 19:41.12 | lechef | user/local ? |
| 19:41.12 | wols | stable in debian termns, not mecessarily less crash prone |
| 19:41.24 | pirast | !bug 379058 |
| 19:41.25 | wols | and if you have very new hardware, it might work worse than a testing or unstable version |
| 19:41.25 | dpkg | bug 379058 can be viewed at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379058 |
| 19:41.28 | lechef | /usr/local/myprograms ? |
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| 19:41.47 | lechef | or in /usr/local/sbin ? |
| 19:42.12 | wols | you make a deb and then it doesn't really matter much :) |
| 19:42.27 | AlphaDOG | debian its better then centos? |
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| 19:42.43 | Morydd | following the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers I've installed the legacy drivers, however, when I modprobe, the "new" driver is loaded rather than the legacy. How can i remove the "new" drivers so I can use the legacy? |
| 19:42.46 | Ronin | well seeing as this is #debian AlphaDOG what do you think we're going to say? :) |
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| 19:43.25 | AlphaDOG | Ronin not all ppl got same response :) |
| 19:43.31 | Muffin | I just downloaded an etch stable keyring...do I need to reconfigure to stay in "testing"? |
| 19:43.48 | Ronin | AlphaDOG: well #debian will natually say we're better and #centos will say that they are |
| 19:43.49 | delire | AlphaDOG: Debian is the worst distribution. Mandriva is the best. that's why I use Debian. |
| 19:44.10 | delire | make sense? |
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| 19:50.22 | kingsley | Will someone please run the following command and tell me what its output is? |
| 19:50.48 | kingsley | echo -e "[1].\n[2]." | par |
| 19:51.03 | Gnea | -bash: par: command not found |
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| 19:52.24 | mark123 | how do you upgrade the default kernel that gets installed when you build the box? i just want a newer version of the generic 2.6 kernel that it installed.. |
| 19:52.29 | AlphaDOG | ok debian its installed but possible dont got ssh deamon included? |
| 19:52.30 | mark123 | cant be bothered with manual config |
| 19:52.38 | mark123 | AlphaDOG : apt-get install ssh |
| 19:52.46 | Ronin | AlphaDOG: just not installed, install it |
| 19:52.58 | Gnea | mark123: apt-get update && apt-get install linux-image-2.6 |
| 19:53.13 | mark123 | thanks |
| 19:53.31 | xand | mark123: what version of debian? |
| 19:54.33 | kingsley | Gnea: apt-get install par |
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| 19:55.55 | Shadowdancer | anyone here who has got virtual mailboxes with postfix and courier-maildrop to work? |
| 19:56.12 | Shadowdancer | (maildrop is the problem) |
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| 20:01.46 | archville | Hi. |
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| 20:02.26 | AlphaDOG | whats the critical load of debain? |
| 20:02.41 | AlphaDOG | im at 0.59 0.78 1.00 |
| 20:02.41 | Ronin | critical load? |
| 20:02.44 | AlphaDOG | yea |
| 20:02.49 | Ronin | ahhh i see what you mean |
| 20:03.48 | chops | AlphaDOG: I don't. What do you mean by, "critical load?" :-) |
| 20:04.15 | Ronin | i think he's talking about the load average you see in uptime? |
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| 20:05.08 | wols | that's not critical in any way |
| 20:05.12 | wols | AlphaDOG: there is none |
| 20:05.40 | wols | uptime "load" is not exactly some useful measurement imho. it's a bit like glxgears fps |
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| 20:05.50 | Ronin | yep |
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| 20:06.38 | Thomas___- | how can I see the size of the swap, if it is on, etc ? |
| 20:07.16 | chops | Thomas___-: cat /proc/swaps |
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| 20:07.53 | abrotman | free |
| 20:07.53 | Thomas___- | thanks |
| 20:08.02 | Thomas___- | I can create swap before installing ? |
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| 20:08.24 | Thomas___- | hmm |
| 20:08.27 | chops | Thomas___-: Yes |
| 20:08.29 | Thomas___- | I can create swap after install debian |
| 20:08.34 | chops | Thomas___-: Yes :-) |
| 20:08.36 | wols | yes you can create it beforehand |
| 20:08.37 | Thomas___- | okay |
| 20:09.32 | AlphaDOG | when i try apt-get install apache2 it say to me something about /cdrom ... |
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| 20:10.09 | chops | AlphaDOG: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list -- if you don't want to install from cdroms, remove them from the list (possibly replacing them with http sources). |
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| 20:11.43 | AlphaDOG | chops ok u know good one http source? |
| 20:12.03 | chops | AlphaDOG: http://http.us.debian.org/ (where "us" is your country code) |
| 20:12.06 | Thomas___- | why parted take so long to scan the disk ? |
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| 20:12.26 | chops | !tell AlphaDOG about sources.list |
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| 20:17.51 | abrotman | Thomas___-: big disk ? |
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| 20:20.22 | dimir | !nickometer Thomas___- |
| 20:20.24 | dpkg | 'Thomas___-' is 99.850% lame, dimir |
| 20:20.26 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 20:21.50 | ma3x | !nickometer ma3x |
| 20:21.52 | dpkg | 'ma3x' is 22.000% lame, ma3x |
| 20:22.00 | ma3x | !nickometer abrotman |
| 20:22.02 | dpkg | 'abrotman' is 0.000% lame, ma3x |
| 20:22.04 | crazy_penguin | Good night! |
| 20:22.13 | ma3x | holy crap, how does this work? |
| 20:22.18 | Ronin | badly |
| 20:25.08 | abrotman | ma3x: dunno .. only the tards play with it |
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| 20:26.28 | Thomas___- | !nickomer dondek |
| 20:26.38 | ma3x | abrotman: what's up doc? hows your new server? |
| 20:26.39 | Thomas___- | !nickometer dpkg |
| 20:26.41 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, thomas___- |
| 20:27.00 | ma3x | thomas is gay :p |
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| 20:31.42 | simonrvn | !tell ma3x about gay |
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| 20:32.37 | ma3x | simonrvn: nothing bad about it |
| 20:32.49 | ma3x | infact most people are bi |
| 20:32.50 | simonrvn | that's my point... |
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| 20:33.30 | simonrvn | ok, probably misunderstood you, because way too often do i see people use it like "oh that's gay" and mean that it sucks |
| 20:33.31 | ma3x | hey simon got some hot pics of you? |
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| 20:33.37 | simonrvn | no |
| 20:33.44 | ma3x | muahaha |
| 20:34.00 | xand | o.O |
| 20:34.04 | simonrvn | i thought you were meaning it that way |
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| 20:34.21 | simonrvn | i'm taken already anyway ;) |
| 20:34.22 | peterS | if we can bring this back on topic |
| 20:34.26 | itchi | ma3x: Have you understand what dpkg told you? |
| 20:34.29 | simonrvn | np peterS |
| 20:34.50 | ma3x | simonrvn: taken already? c'mon you're not serious |
| 20:34.57 | peterS | *ahem*. back on topic |
| 20:35.04 | peterS | and he is serious |
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| 20:35.49 | simonrvn | indeed i am </ot> |
| 20:35.51 | ma3x | how do you know? you his girlfriend? |
| 20:35.56 | peterS | maybe |
| 20:36.02 | peterS | but that's not why we're in #debian |
| 20:36.18 | ma3x | nah, that's not the only thing |
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| 20:36.25 | ma3x | we're here to help each other |
| 20:36.32 | ma3x | and have some fun, right? :p |
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| 20:37.26 | peterS | we can have fun, but discussing who is gay and who is bi and whether there's anything particularly wrong with that is not necessary. there are other channels for that. |
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| 20:38.38 | ma3x | nothing bad about it, enjoy! |
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| 20:41.54 | AlphaDOG | on debian got a way for know the temp of my CPU and MB? |
| 20:42.15 | chops | AlphaDOG: lm-sensors. Have fun, it's a PITA to set up. |
| 20:42.42 | chops | AlphaDOG: (or was, the last time I played with it... which was quite a while ago now that I think about it.) |
| 20:43.20 | jelly-home | is there a way to hibernate a process, save its state to disk and restore it later? I don't mean stop it and let it swap off, but restart it possibly even after a reboot |
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| 20:44.02 | ki11bi11 | jelly-home, in xen you could suspend the whole machine |
| 20:44.12 | jelly-home | ki11bi11: that's an option, yes |
| 20:45.04 | ki11bi11 | jelly-home, generally a process takes a signal and then, hopefully i cooperates. i don't know of a suspend signal |
| 20:45.15 | matkor | Hi ! What is Debian solution for having multiple interfaces and every having different DNS server ? |
| 20:45.19 | jelly-home | ki11bi11: SIGSTOP ;-) |
| 20:45.55 | ki11bi11 | jelly-home, that will suspend? |
| 20:46.00 | jelly-home | ki11bi11: i'm looking for something like hibernation, but granulated per-process |
| 20:46.19 | jelly-home | ki11bi11: yes, but that suspend has a different meaning ;-) |
| 20:46.32 | jelly-home | see ctrl-z in shell |
| 20:47.11 | archville | ¿ Is there any way to make the boot process silent ? (no messages on what is booting or how) |
| 20:47.23 | ki11bi11 | and you wnat it to work for just any process? |
| 20:47.29 | sepski | archville, you can use a splash screen |
| 20:47.40 | archville | sepski, i can't use fb to show it |
| 20:47.42 | sepski | archville, then you get to guess instead of know, when things go wrong. |
| 20:47.45 | sepski | it's amusing |
| 20:48.19 | archville | i know but it is for a public machine wich won't be changed |
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| 20:48.32 | archville | i mean, no software changes that could make things go wrong |
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| 20:51.03 | jelly-home | ki11bi11: I want to know if there's a way to suspend-to-disk a single process and resurrect it at a later time |
| 20:51.38 | jmalicki_ | jelly-home: yes. |
| 20:51.55 | jmalicki_ | jelly-home: read linux kernel checkpointing |
| 20:52.07 | jmalicki_ | jelly-home: it will require a couple of years of work for you to get it working and stable |
| 20:52.30 | chops | matkor: You can run multiple bind instances, and have each one listening on only a single interface |
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| 20:53.10 | jelly-home | jmalicki_: that's all right. ;-) |
| 20:53.45 | jmalicki_ | jelly-home: but you can probably find some good jobs when you get it working ;) |
| 20:54.03 | jmalicki_ | and there are probably some conference talks in it for you too :) |
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| 20:54.08 | jmalicki_ | but yes, there's a way :) |
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| 20:54.34 | matkor | chops: Sorry for being unprecise, but I mean scenario: notebook having many network interfaces (eth, wifi, ppp(gprs) ) bringing them up and down, and than having /etc/resolv.conf updated each time by dhcpd / ppp ... |
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| 20:54.44 | Anti_Init | hi |
| 20:55.00 | Anti_Init | how can i add this builds dir to sources.list? |
| 20:55.19 | Anti_Init | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.43 | chops | matkor: Tried looking into resolvconf and dnsmasq? |
| 20:55.44 | Anti_Init | id like to be able to do an aptitude update on it |
| 20:55.48 | Anti_Init | is this possible? |
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| 20:55.52 | peterS | Anti_Init: man sources.list |
| 20:56.14 | chops | matkor: I'm not sure exactly what combination (if any) of those two can solve your problem, but I think resolvconf is designed for exactly that situation |
| 20:57.12 | Anti_Init | peterS: If i wanted an answer like that would I have bothered to ask? |
| 20:57.13 | matkor | chops: ah Debian uses reslovconf ... And yes with little support from scripts it should work ... thanks ! |
| 20:57.26 | chops | matkor: np |
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| 20:57.57 | peterS | Anti_Init: I don't give answers like that unless _I_ have verified that the manpage in question is helpful |
| 20:58.04 | peterS | and in this case it is |
| 20:58.07 | jelly-home | jmalicki_: actually I am supposed to be looking for a BsCS/BsCE style paper, this looks more like PhD material ;-) |
| 20:58.35 | peterS | Anti_Init: anyway, the probable line for sources list would be "deb http://www.kiber.../ ./" |
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| 21:00.07 | abrotman | he lives! |
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| 21:03.22 | plb | I want to setup an openMosix-like cluster, however I cannot find out if it still possible in kernel 2.6, or if something has replaced openMosix |
| 21:03.29 | ttick | what's the command to refresh the LD_LIBRARY cache once you've installed a new .so file? |
| 21:03.39 | abrotman | ld<tab><tab> |
| 21:03.49 | VImtermute | sayounara |
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| 21:05.11 | ttick | abrotman: ldconfig sound right? |
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| 21:05.56 | abrotman | try it and see .. or read the man page .. |
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| 21:06.08 | Ankman | or reinstall ;-) |
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| 21:08.29 | peterS | reinstallen macht frei |
| 21:08.29 | jelly-home | ttick: ldconfig it is |
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| 21:09.55 | jelly-home | left my belt at home |
| 21:10.00 | peterS | (that would be 'braces', another term for suspenders) |
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| 21:12.14 | ttick | jelly-home: thanks, jelly |
| 21:12.51 | peterS | jelly-home: the expression is not all that obscure, I suspect people caught it |
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| 21:19.21 | deadcat | for my webserver, when i put <?php system("killall php5-cgi"); ?> i kill the web server. is that a fix to stop this? |
| 21:20.41 | chops | deadcat: prefork or worker MPM? |
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| 21:25.00 | stoned | deadcat: wth |
| 21:25.02 | stoned | hehe |
| 21:25.30 | stoned | I'm still on php4 and apache 1.3 I been told to upgrade |
| 21:25.36 | stoned | I don't see why though |
| 21:25.42 | r00tintheb0x | http://www.mslinux.org/ |
| 21:25.52 | stoned | what he hell |
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| 21:26.18 | r00tintheb0x | lol |
| 21:26.26 | stoned | what kinda shit is shit? |
| 21:26.29 | r00tintheb0x | crazy thing to see when you're blazed eh |
| 21:26.36 | stoned | I just woke up |
| 21:26.37 | r00tintheb0x | haha |
| 21:26.42 | r00tintheb0x | thats an old joke site |
| 21:26.43 | rahul | stoned. |
| 21:26.49 | stoned | I been sleepig since like 10:00pm last night |
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| 21:27.04 | stoned | i was up for an hour or two during today anyway |
| 21:27.24 | stoned | We are now offering the MS Linux Introductory CD at a special introductory price of only $249.99 (plus shipping and handling), if you order before it ships. |
| 21:27.32 | stoned | hahaha thats just fucking crazy man |
| 21:27.41 | r00tintheb0x | hehe |
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| 21:27.47 | r00tintheb0x | look @ the shipping date though |
| 21:27.49 | r00tintheb0x | 2003 |
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| 21:28.23 | stoned | ahh whatever |
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| 21:28.23 | rahul | !penixstrike stoned |
| 21:28.23 | ma3x | stoned: you feel energized now? |
| 21:28.23 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking stoned to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:28.27 | mlk | Hi. I've gotten hold of a new drive for my Debian box. I need to replace my old drive with this new one. Anyone know of a nice step-by-step howto that explains how to clone a drive (including boot record, swap partition, etc.)? |
| 21:28.31 | stoned | no man I feel like a joint |
| 21:28.36 | rahul | heh |
| 21:28.44 | ma3x | stoned: grab some redbull |
| 21:28.45 | nevyn | mlk: Harddrive-upgrade-howto |
| 21:28.57 | stoned | ma3x: I only drink powerade |
| 21:28.57 | AlphaDOG | stoned joint suck |
| 21:29.00 | g333k_work | Hello how can I install debian in all my network pcs having all the ISOs in one of my servers? |
| 21:29.00 | AlphaDOG | beer its better |
| 21:29.04 | rahul | uh |
| 21:29.05 | mlk | nevyn: like a google search? |
| 21:29.10 | rahul | alcohol is much worse than weed |
| 21:29.17 | nevyn | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html |
| 21:29.24 | ma3x | stoned: what's the difference? |
| 21:29.25 | nevyn | no like an honest to god howto |
| 21:29.34 | mlk | thanks |
| 21:29.36 | rahul | powerade is nasty |
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| 21:29.51 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a hack or sth. which can convert a swf to iPod video? |
| 21:30.01 | HardDisk_WP | ffmpeg don't eat SWF |
| 21:30.15 | stoned | ehmm what |
| 21:30.51 | HardDisk_WP | stoned, a swf video (not youtube) |
| 21:31.00 | rahul | the video isn't in the swf |
| 21:31.16 | rahul | oh, you mean an _animation_? |
| 21:31.25 | rahul | you'll need something that can render it to frames... |
| 21:31.46 | stoned | ffmpeg -i blah.swf blah.mpg <-- and what does ffmpeg say? |
| 21:31.51 | Ronin | AlphaDOG: indeed beer is always better |
| 21:31.58 | HardDisk_WP | swf @ 0xb7fa7490]Could not find codec parameters (Video: mjpeg) |
| 21:31.58 | HardDisk_WP | ringumeier.swf: could not find codec parameters |
| 21:32.08 | stoned | hmm |
| 21:32.12 | rahul | mjpeg? |
| 21:32.24 | HardDisk_WP | I dunno, it's a swf video with audio. |
| 21:32.32 | HardDisk_WP | I would be happy about audio only |
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| 21:33.04 | ozzloy | http://rafb.net/p/yySZoA54.html how do i fix that? |
| 21:33.17 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
| 21:33.29 | stoned | http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/08/22/2121258 |
| 21:33.29 | stoned | I found this |
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| 21:33.30 | stoned | might help |
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| 21:34.01 | stoned | might use mencoder to see if this swf will convert |
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| 21:39.58 | colera | i set up my wireless card and now the wired card doesn't work. do i have to edit a config file or something? |
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| 21:40.44 | colera | could /etc/network/interfaces have something to do with it? |
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| 21:43.13 | Andrea | Hi foks, I'm trying to realize how to store a program return status into a variable.. with no luck.. |
| 21:43.37 | Andrea | Anyone have a suggestion? |
| 21:44.09 | xand | Andrea: using what? |
| 21:44.16 | Andrea | bash |
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| 21:44.50 | Andrea | xand: plain bash |
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| 21:45.51 | chops | Andrea: VAR=$? |
| 21:47.00 | raf256 | where can I get rootkits to install on my debian test box? |
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| 21:47.04 | k31th | Any of you guys use Postgrey or any other greylisting? Basically I want to know if postgrey supports auto whitelisting |
| 21:47.19 | raf256 | or programs to damage own box, besides crash and stress |
| 21:47.52 | chops | raf256: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda should damage things nicely :-0 |
| 21:47.53 | stoned | raf256: I'm not sure I trust you to tell you this |
| 21:47.53 | chops | :-) |
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| 21:48.16 | stoned | you'll probably end up taking over the world |
| 21:48.18 | stoned | or something |
| 21:48.26 | raf256 | chops: my system is already immune to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/hda :) |
| 21:48.40 | raf256 | stoned: lets do it tonight, Pinky |
| 21:49.09 | stoned | pinky? |
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| 21:49.14 | stoned | man if anything |
| 21:49.21 | stoned | I'm Brain and _you're_ pinky |
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| 21:49.25 | Andrea | chops: where I can find some info about $? (I did a search for \$\? inside the bash man, with no luck) |
| 21:49.28 | stoned | bah *grumble* |
| 21:49.31 | cokeslut | interest |
| 21:49.42 | chops | Andrea: 'false; echo $?; true; echo $?' |
| 21:49.42 | raf256 | stoned: pinky was stoned all the time =) |
| 21:49.53 | bingofuel | have an error: gcc command not found.. in a updated kernel 2.6. but.. i think is installed, |
| 21:49.57 | Caelum | is there a guide to installing an nvidia card in Debian? |
| 21:49.58 | stoned | raf256: thats untrue. pinky was merely slow |
| 21:50.00 | chops | Andrea: That's about what information there is about $? :-) |
| 21:50.02 | rahul | pinky wasn't stoned |
| 21:50.05 | abrotman | haha .. stoned is brain .. that's funny |
| 21:50.07 | stoned | !tell Caelum -about nvidia |
| 21:50.21 | stoned | abrotman: yeh |
| 21:50.21 | justin | Andrea: /Special Parameters |
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| 21:51.06 | stoned | abrotman: you think its funny do ya, well, you won't be laughing when I rule this planet |
| 21:51.28 | stoned | Caelum: don't install nvidia binary driver from nvidia.com |
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| 21:51.42 | Gnurdux | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer |
| 21:51.48 | Caelum | thanks stoned, reading |
| 21:51.54 | Gnurdux | whoops |
| 21:52.12 | stoned | Gnurdux: you're talking to your self |
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| 21:52.34 | Gnurdux | im probably the only person who only wants etch to be released so that testing gets unfrozen |
| 21:52.56 | rahul | no, I'm another |
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| 21:55.33 | jelly-home | ruling the planet is a lot of work |
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| 21:55.37 | bingofuel | gcc: command not found |
| 21:55.37 | bingofuel | ?? |
| 21:55.38 | rahul | ;; |
| 21:55.38 | geo-rge | !install it |
| 21:55.38 | robin_sz | so ... how do I add my printer thats on 192.168.1.179 to my foomatic thing |
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| 21:55.39 | bingofuel | don't work |
| 21:55.44 | chops | !doesn't work |
| 21:55.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:56.11 | robin_sz | ive tried the "add printer" option in the foomatic GUI ... it doesnt complain, but it doesnt add the rinter either |
| 21:56.14 | geo-rge | !sicco |
| 21:56.14 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 21:56.29 | varg | what could be the reason for date returning UTC when logged in as a user, but the correct local time when logged in as root? |
| 21:56.51 | dondelelcaro | varg: because the user is setting TZ=UTC or root is setting TZ=Somezone |
| 21:56.58 | geo-rge | user-selected TZ setting? |
| 21:57.02 | robin_sz | sure |
| 21:57.06 | robin_sz | why not |
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| 21:57.25 | varg | dondelelcaro: neither is the case, TZ is not set for user nor root |
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| 21:57.31 | rabe | hi |
| 21:57.57 | dondelelcaro | varg: then what are the permissions of /etc/localtime? |
| 21:57.59 | rabe | my ex2 filesystem seems to be defect, is there a way to fix it? |
| 21:58.05 | dondelelcaro | rabe: fsck.ext2 will. |
| 21:58.17 | rabe | fdisk -l says doesent look like partiontable |
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| 21:58.44 | dondelelcaro | rabe: fdisk deals with partition tables. ext2 is a filesystem. They have nothing at all to do with eachother. |
| 21:58.46 | the_empty | Dumb question- is there some way to daisy chain audio such that a debian box takes mic in and just spits it right back out the speaker output? |
| 21:59.04 | dondelelcaro | the_empty: depends on the sound card. |
| 21:59.05 | varg | dondelelcaro: ack - idiot me :-) |
| 21:59.08 | dondelelcaro | (many sound cards have a "monitor mic in" mode) |
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| 21:59.18 | geo-rge | you just invented a "PA system" |
| 21:59.20 | the_empty | preferably without interfering with the middle boxes ability to play sound as well |
| 21:59.33 | rabe | yes but if i want to see partion tabe fdisk -l shows some information normaly, or? |
| 21:59.52 | the_empty | geo-rge, heh, thanks |
| 21:59.54 | dondelelcaro | rabe: give us the exact command that you're running and the output it produces using a paste site. |
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| 22:00.13 | rahul | the_empty: uh, why not plug the mic into the speakers directly? |
| 22:00.32 | dondelelcaro | rahul: well, you usually need a mic preamp |
| 22:00.48 | geo-rge | mics don't have the power to drive spkrs |
| 22:00.52 | rahul | hmm, I guess sound cards would do that |
| 22:01.23 | dondelelcaro | they do, but just not with any useful amplitude |
| 22:01.25 | rahul | the whole mention of PA got me thinking that there was a receiver in between |
| 22:01.48 | dondelelcaro | (and generally even an amp in between isn't enough) |
| 22:02.08 | raf256 | again... |
| 22:02.15 | raf256 | is there an EASY, working out-of-the-box |
| 22:02.18 | geo-rge | heh, depends on the amp :) |
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| 22:02.27 | raf256 | software that records who connects to my computer (and to where my comp connects) |
| 22:02.30 | geo-rge | and the mic |
| 22:02.31 | raf256 | and makes daily reports? |
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| 22:02.57 | dondelelcaro | raf256: snort and/or acidlab should do that |
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| 22:03.15 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: doesnt snort have an exploit? now thats a compromitation |
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| 22:03.23 | raf256 | is acidlab good? |
| 22:03.34 | dondelelcaro | it's probably had a couple, but presumably they've been (or are being) fixed. |
| 22:03.57 | raf256 | dondelelcaro: imho that is a huge compromitation |
| 22:04.08 | raf256 | start using real language like c++ or even python or java |
| 22:04.18 | geo-rge | extracompromitigational |
| 22:04.21 | raf256 | !bitchslap devels writting applications in C |
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| 22:04.37 | Tonho- | C is cool |
| 22:04.44 | raf256 | Tonho-: to exploit it |
| 22:04.58 | raf256 | 90% exploits are stupid strcpy or buffer overflow mistakes |
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| 22:05.10 | raf256 | *like 90% |
| 22:05.36 | geo-rge | so... don't code any mistakes :) |
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| 22:06.00 | rabe | ok i posted it here http://paste.uni.cc/13334 |
| 22:06.01 | Tonho- | raf256: use C for make good programs for *nix |
| 22:06.08 | raf256 | C suckc |
| 22:06.11 | geo-rge | and it's not that alone, it's also the operating system's response thereto |
| 22:06.12 | rabe | You cann see problem on line 21 |
| 22:06.14 | rahul | geo-rge: that's what openbsd tried to do. they failed. |
| 22:06.24 | raf256 | rahul: openbsd failed? |
| 22:06.24 | rishi | I am trying to compile GNU Parted on Debian GNU/Hurd 4.0 (flubber.bddebian.com), and find that the SA_SIGINFO constant is not defined although the sigaction function is available. Is this normal? |
| 22:06.34 | rahul | raf256: their ftpd had a buffer overflow |
| 22:06.48 | raf256 | rahul: that is the one and only ever remote exploit? |
| 22:06.55 | rahul | maybe |
| 22:06.59 | raf256 | in 10 years? |
| 22:07.05 | daxxar | Anyone know of / recommend any simple IPtables web-administration interfaces? I'm setting up a NAT-box using debian, and I want a couple of the non-technical users to be able to add port forwardings from the external interface. |
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| 22:07.10 | rahul | at least out of the stuff they wrote |
| 22:07.29 | rahul | all the packges had shitloads of exploits |
| 22:07.39 | geo-rge | daxxar: probably not. why not just learn iptables? |
| 22:07.55 | daxxar | geo-rge: I know iptables, they don't. :-P |
| 22:08.13 | daxxar | And they lack rudimentary linux knowledge that should be in place before learning iptables. ;-) |
| 22:08.18 | rahul | just for port forwarding? |
| 22:08.24 | rahul | give them a script to invoke |
| 22:08.28 | Flimzy | daxxar: There are floppy/CD-based distros that do that. Coyote linux is the only one I've used. Has a Linksys-style interface. |
| 22:08.43 | rabe | did you look at http://paste.uni.cc/13334 ? |
| 22:08.49 | daxxar | Flimzy: I've already set up a complete Debian server, so I want to keep the setup :-) |
| 22:09.07 | Flimzy | daxxar: Perhaps one of thsoe interfaces is packaged as a Debian package then. *shrug* |
| 22:09.14 | daxxar | That's the problem, all decent webadmin-interfaces for stuff like iptables have been packaged as a linux distro. |
| 22:09.37 | Flimzy | daxxar: I'm sure you could package one of those interfaces as a .deb :) |
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| 22:10.07 | rabe | why does the partion not end at cylinder boundary |
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| 22:12.24 | rabe | dondelelcaro, i downloaded it at http://paste.uni.cc/13334 |
| 22:12.59 | abrotman | daxxar: text editors are easy! |
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| 22:14.21 | rabe | abrotman, easy for what ? |
| 22:14.23 | jeffwheeler | Can anybody point me in the right direction to make a bootable Live setup in a pen drive? I've found various resources, but they seem to take me to an insall-esque setup on boot. Mostly, my goal is to make a bootable pen drive that won't require any setup, that will have keep my applications/preferences. |
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| 22:14.38 | abrotman | rabe: editing text |
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| 22:14.54 | abrotman | jeffwheeler: i think there are docs at live.debian.net |
| 22:14.55 | anson | can anyone tell me why mouse touchpad moves really slow |
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| 22:15.19 | rabe | text editor ? there are plenty |
| 22:15.24 | rabe | i like scite |
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| 22:15.44 | e1z0 | labos |
| 22:16.11 | x01 | how could one know if a system had a kernel panic without access to its console? |
| 22:16.42 | x01 | didn't find anything suspicious in syslog |
| 22:17.17 | chops | x01: dmesg? |
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| 22:19.19 | x01 | dmesg is overwritten after a reboot right? |
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| 22:19.50 | entalpija | hi |
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| 22:20.18 | entalpija | i've truble: ksoftirqd/0 load so much CPU. It happens several days after network adaptors was changed |
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| 22:20.37 | rahul | entalpija: irq conflict? |
| 22:20.52 | rahul | or maybe it's just a crappy NIC chipset |
| 22:21.03 | rahul | requires excessive babysitting by the OS |
| 22:21.07 | entalpija | how to see that? |
| 22:21.15 | rahul | lspci -v -v |
| 22:21.18 | rahul | or maybe another -v |
| 22:21.25 | rahul | look at what PINs things are routed to |
| 22:21.53 | rahul | Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5 |
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| 22:22.48 | rahul | /proc/interrupts well tell you how often an interrupt is invoked |
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| 22:24.09 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 22:24.27 | robin_sz | sigh ... printers .. such a pain |
| 22:24.33 | x01 | so it's rough.. =/ |
| 22:25.07 | Ramattack | I wanted to ask one questions that could sound quite weird... where can you get out of inodes? or better said, if for example you have a 200 GB partition and can only write on it 100 MB what should you assuming is properly partitioned |
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| 22:25.54 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 22:26.40 | Ramattack | what do you think abrotman? |
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| 22:26.53 | Ronin | i think he's still trying to figure out what you asked |
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| 22:27.10 | anson | how do you change the sensitvity on a touchpad mouse? |
| 22:27.33 | freetos | look, when they step up we'll step down and when they fail to step up we'll ...? |
| 22:27.47 | Ramattack | haven't I exaplained? need a better explanation? |
| 22:28.37 | chops | Ramattack: Yes, please :-) |
| 22:28.40 | anson | anyone know how to change the sensitvity using a laptop touchpad? |
| 22:28.43 | Ramattack | ok then... |
| 22:28.52 | Ramattack | well all the problem comes with the next issue |
| 22:29.22 | Ramattack | I have a pen drive of 512 mb but can only write on it 100 mb more or less... It uses vfat file system... |
| 22:29.45 | chops | Ramattack: How much space does 'df' say is on the drive? |
| 22:29.54 | Ramattack | I have heard sometime ago that when you have space... but receive not empty space... is an inode problem... |
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| 22:30.07 | chops | Ramattack: inodes don't apply to vfat |
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| 22:30.34 | Ramattack | don't know if particularly in this issue inodes have something to do... ok doubt solved but now... |
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| 22:30.40 | Ramattack | I have.... |
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| 22:31.51 | Ramattack | imagine / mounted on soft raid 0 and mount an sata raid 0 (for example) on /docs wich has 200 gb of free space... could I run out of inodes? |
| 22:31.58 | anson | settings for touchpad anyone? |
| 22:32.00 | Ramattack | what do when running out of inodes? |
| 22:32.10 | Ramattack | or when can you be out of inodes= |
| 22:32.11 | Ronin | anson: !drxx perhaps? |
| 22:32.11 | Ramattack | ? |
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| 22:32.27 | anson | Ronin: drxx what is this? |
| 22:32.29 | anson | drivers? |
| 22:32.38 | Ronin | !tell anson about drxx |
| 22:32.42 | geiss | hi, how do i use the pmount-hal command? i see the first argument is a UDI - what is that? I want to mount a usb stick |
| 22:33.02 | Ronin | im guessing here in case its not clear, only laptops ive installed debian on ive been lucky and the touchpad worked fine out of the gate |
| 22:33.12 | Ramattack | what do you think chops? |
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| 22:33.24 | anson | no i've tryed that |
| 22:33.30 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: yes, you could run out of inodes. |
| 22:33.34 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: so? |
| 22:33.42 | chops | Ramattack: run tune2fs -l /dev/md0 (or whatever your soft raid is); if "Free inodes" is 0, you're out of inodes. |
| 22:34.31 | Ramattack | and how could avoid running out of inodes? |
| 22:34.33 | entalpija | rahul http://rafb.net/p/tIHlYT15.html http://rafb.net/p/QLttEN88.html |
| 22:34.37 | Ramattack | and how could repair it? |
| 22:34.44 | chops | Ramattack: Are you out of inodes? |
| 22:34.49 | Ramattack | not at the moment |
| 22:35.03 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: you can't avoid running out of inodes, just like you can't avoid running out of free space |
| 22:35.04 | entalpija | rahul what do U think about |
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| 22:35.11 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: you just need to make sure you have enough. |
| 22:35.11 | Ramattack | I have been thinking... and wanted to know how to fix this terrible issue |
| 22:35.25 | chops | If you're not out, there's nothing to fix |
| 22:35.25 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: use a filesystem that doesn't statically allocate inodes. |
| 22:35.46 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: if you use windows you can't run out of inodes. |
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| 22:36.44 | Ramattack | windows sucks |
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| 22:37.31 | jmalicki_ | its obviously superior if you care that much about avoiding running out of inodes and dont want to do proper provisioning |
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| 22:38.35 | anson | how do you configure your synaptics driver |
| 22:38.39 | Ramattack | and how do you calculate the number of inodes you need? |
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| 22:39.09 | stoned | sdl dev package installation is broken in sid right now, I get broken packages when trying to install libsdl(any dev package) |
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| 22:39.35 | rahul | entalpija: I'd move one of them to a different slot |
| 22:39.40 | rahul | entalpija: they're all using pin a |
| 22:39.58 | entalpija | i've only 3 slots |
| 22:40.03 | Ramattack | or another way question is there any linux filesystem that doesn't allocate statically inodes? |
| 22:40.07 | rahul | ouch |
| 22:40.13 | chops | Ramattack: You don't, mkfs.ext3 does. You can worry about this if you want, but you really shouldn't :-) |
| 22:40.17 | entalpija | rahul and 3 NIC |
| 22:40.24 | chops | Ramattack: I've never run out of inodes |
| 22:40.24 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: yes, there are. |
| 22:40.34 | rahul | entalpija: I'd ask in #linux and #kernel |
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| 22:40.39 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: every file uses an inode. |
| 22:40.44 | stoned | bummer |
| 22:40.45 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: think about your average filesize. |
| 22:40.57 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: you want (filesystem_size)/(average_filesize) indoes |
| 22:41.02 | entalpija | rahul 10x |
| 22:41.10 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: iirc xfs doesn't statically allocate inodes...? |
| 22:41.28 | Ramattack | do you want to say reyser fs? |
| 22:41.37 | jmalicki_ | i wanted to say xfs |
| 22:41.43 | jmalicki_ | reiserfs is for murderes. |
| 22:41.50 | entalpija | rahul the problem that NIC adapters use one irq? |
| 22:42.11 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: if you dont want them to use one irq use ioapic |
| 22:42.31 | Ramattack | murderers you wanted to say jmalicki? |
| 22:42.36 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: yes |
| 22:42.44 | Ramattack | sles uses it... |
| 22:42.49 | entalpija | jmalicki_ how to do that? |
| 22:42.55 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: stfw |
| 22:42.59 | Ramattack | why do you say that? |
| 22:43.09 | entalpija | ) |
| 22:43.10 | freetos | simon says step up |
| 22:43.28 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: you wouldn't want to use a filesystem written by an accused murderer would you? THINK OF THE CHILDREN! |
| 22:43.30 | freetos | simon didn't say step down |
| 22:43.46 | raf256_ | lol@ jmalicki_ |
| 22:44.01 | Ramattack | that filesystem is written by a murderer?¿?¿ |
| 22:44.07 | jelly-home | jmalicki_: whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? |
| 22:44.16 | raf256_ | !bitchslap jmalicki_ |
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| 22:44.42 | rahul | jelly-home: look at what happened when we applied that to OJ. |
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| 22:44.53 | raf256_ | who is OJ |
| 22:44.54 | jmalicki_ | "if i did it" |
| 22:44.54 | jelly-home | rahul: sucks to be you |
| 22:45.03 | jmalicki_ | raf256_: the author of "if i did it" |
| 22:45.08 | entalpija | jmalicki_ rahul as i see http://rafb.net/p/tIHlYT15.html my NIC use IRQ 5,10,12 Whats wrong? |
| 22:45.11 | raf256_ | huh? |
| 22:45.15 | rahul | entalpija: same pin, tho |
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| 22:45.17 | Ramattack | so then you all of you think I should forget about going out of inodes? the debian installation would take care of it then? |
| 22:45.27 | raf256_ | Ramattack: yeah |
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| 22:45.32 | entalpija | rahul pin A? |
| 22:45.34 | rahul | entalpija: not sure it should cause that much of a problem, tho |
| 22:45.37 | rahul | entalpija: yes |
| 22:45.47 | |ryan| | Are there still any apt respoitories for woody? |
| 22:45.47 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: step back a minute... whats your problem? |
| 22:45.49 | valdyn | Ramattack: what kind of files are on that volume that you run out of inodes? hardlinks? |
| 22:46.14 | Ramattack | I haven't get out of inodes whast just asking for the moment it happens.... |
| 22:46.16 | entalpija | jmalicki_ ksoftirqd/0 load so much CPU time |
| 22:46.18 | jmalicki_ | ramattack: have you ACTUALLY run out of inodes? |
| 22:46.23 | Ramattack | nope |
| 22:46.50 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: probably because you have lots of irqs. dont generate so many irqs. |
| 22:46.52 | valdyn | Ramattack: you dont normally run out of inodes, you just may using specific workloads, like a backup system like dirvish |
| 22:46.52 | rahul | Ramattack: do you have millions of empty files all the time? |
| 22:46.57 | Ramattack | but was wondering how to avoid it and what to do if it happens in a production server...... |
| 22:46.57 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: are you using a pentium 4? |
| 22:47.08 | entalpija | jmalicki_ celeron400 |
| 22:47.12 | rahul | jmalicki_: 3 intel eepro nics |
| 22:47.13 | raf256_ | what application can I use to insert random bits into kernel |
| 22:47.17 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: a pentium 4 based celeron? |
| 22:47.18 | raf256_ | *provide |
| 22:47.21 | valdyn | Ramattack: dd |
| 22:47.25 | valdyn | Ramattack: mistell |
| 22:47.27 | valdyn | raf256_: dd |
| 22:47.48 | Ramattack | valdyn : sorry for my english what do you want to say? |
| 22:47.48 | raf256_ | valdyn: no, I ment - I have the entropy.dat binary file and I want to give it to kernel |
| 22:47.49 | entalpija | jmalicki_ thinking this socket like P1 or P2 |
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| 22:48.01 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: oh, like 400Mhz? your problem is your cpu is just too slow for your IO workload then.... if you dont like how much cpu softirq uses, get a faster computer or move less data |
| 22:48.03 | raf256_ | valdyn: erm wait, you ment dd if=entropy.data of=/dev/random ? |
| 22:48.12 | valdyn | Ramattack: nothing, that was meant for raf256_ |
| 22:48.22 | raf256_ | mistell? |
| 22:48.27 | Caelum | I followed the directions in the Debian NVidia guide, but now X says "can't load module nvidia" |
| 22:48.38 | Ramattack | and one more question please? |
| 22:48.41 | rahul | jmalicki_: yeah, he seems to get about 2 NIC interrupts per timer interrupt |
| 22:48.50 | raf256_ | valdyn: the data is not perfect, I want kernel to use it as seed but to mangle it a bit more before giving to user space |
| 22:48.58 | concept10 | 400MHz should be enough for anyone |
| 22:49.00 | rahul | jmalicki_: more,even |
| 22:49.07 | jmalicki_ | concept10: not for this guy's workload. |
| 22:49.09 | rahul | concept10: don't you mean 640KB? |
| 22:49.12 | streuner | Caelum: 'nvidia' is nvidia-glx or the driver of the nvidia website... |
| 22:49.27 | valdyn | Ramattack: there's filesystems that cant run out of inodes, but you don't need to care about this normally, and you shouldnt base your fs choice on that, normally |
| 22:49.28 | Caelum | streuner: I installed nvidia-glx |
| 22:49.32 | entalpija | jmalicki_ why this Computer do own job befor? |
| 22:49.40 | Caelum | streuner: Is it Driver "nvidia" in xorg.conf ? |
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| 22:49.46 | concept10 | I had Sarge taking massive apache requests on a Celeron 400mhz |
| 22:49.48 | streuner | Caelum: well, read the docs about then.... (/usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/ |
| 22:49.53 | jmalicki_ | rahul: hmm... thats only a few megabits though |
| 22:49.57 | concept10 | I didnt have any problems |
| 22:49.58 | Zeug | how do i use unqualified hostnames with bind? for example id like to assign laptop to 192.168.0.12, desktop to 192.168.0.11, and have them availiable to my whole lan. |
| 22:50.08 | jmalicki_ | concept10: your concept of massive is probably different than his. |
| 22:50.26 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: until you use ONLY QUANTITATIVE STATEMENTS we cant help you |
| 22:50.46 | Ramattack | if running for example a debian box in whose kernel I have support for a hardware based sata raid or scsi raid for example..... and after having system running and in productionI add a pci hardware based scsi or sata raid... inodes are from each partition? |
| 22:50.47 | concept10 | jmalicki_, it survived two diggs , the problem was upload speed |
| 22:50.49 | jmalicki_ | entalpija: lkike "my computer is routing x Mbits of traffic but using x amounts of cpu on x hardware with x interrupts per second" |
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| 22:51.04 | Ramattack | so I have one inode table in / and another inode table in /mountpoint? |
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| 22:51.18 | jmalicki_ | concept10: so you mean your bandwidth wouldnt even allow your computer to start having a high workload. |
| 22:51.20 | jnsc | hola todos |
| 22:51.21 | valdyn | Ramattack: one table per filesystem |
| 22:51.30 | jmalicki_ | concept10: any computer can router a few Mbps, yes. |
| 22:51.40 | valdyn | Ramattack: filesystems are on partitions usually, can be on any block device |
| 22:51.44 | jmalicki_ | concept10: serving at gigabit speeds is a different story. |
| 22:52.06 | Ramattack | so one table per partition? |
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| 22:52.48 | valdyn | Ramattack: yea, practically ( though that's not right technically ) |
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| 22:53.15 | valdyn | Ramattack: you may want to understand what a filesystem is.. |
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| 22:53.19 | zimnyx | I'm looking for XML viewer that can handle 25MB files, i want similar view as FF offers. |
| 22:53.41 | bingofuel | when i make, say gcc command not found. i think i hvae installed gcc. |
| 22:53.46 | Ramattack | so imagining I have for example / file system on an ide 40 gb disk and add a hardware based sata raid or scsi raid on /docs mount-point the inode table used on /docs is different than /docs inode table isn't it? |
| 22:53.57 | Leibsle | after an update from debian 3.1 to 4.0 etch, my ssh daemon refuses a login with the message "Permission denied (publickey)" - any idea how to fix that? |
| 22:54.02 | Ramattack | so I can run out of inodes in / but not on /docs and viceversa isn't it? |
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| 22:54.26 | Ramattack | is this true? |
| 22:54.36 | valdyn | Ramattack: that's right |
| 22:54.59 | Ramattack | Ok then.... Ok.... |
| 22:55.52 | Ramattack | I have listened before that you shouldn't choose a filesystem acording to running out of inodes or no.... so what acording to then we should choose a file system? |
| 22:56.08 | Flimzy | I'm working on a system that shows 11% CPU 'wait' status... Is there any way to determine specifically if this wait time is on reads or writes? |
| 22:56.17 | Flimzy | (presuming these 'wait's are for disk I/O) |
| 22:56.23 | beau | how do i mount a usb device? |
| 22:56.25 | valdyn | Ramattack: most systems primary priority is reliability i would say |
| 22:56.44 | streuner | beau: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 22:56.56 | Ramattack | reliability.... you say... ok let's see what it is... one moment |
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| 22:57.18 | valdyn | Ramattack: most systems also have zero risk of running out of inodes, only special applications will ever cause this problem |
| 22:57.54 | Ramattack | I see.... so no problem like this running mail or web servers or things like that... isn't it? |
| 22:58.17 | abrotman | Maildir is one .. |
| 22:58.37 | valdyn | Ramattack: mail servers using Maildir to store millions of small mails, that's one of about 2 ways to run out of inodes |
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| 22:59.15 | abrotman | and i've noticed in my experience here (so far) that while using large portions of the available space, i'm not nearly as close to using that percentage of inodes |
| 22:59.37 | Ramattack | I use Maildir :( |
| 22:59.55 | Ronin | Ramattack: but how many users etc? you may never experience that problem |
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| 23:00.16 | valdyn | Ramattack: you might still not be at risk running of of inodes, its more of a theoretical way |
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| 23:00.33 | hatter | ramattack: didn't you start off this discussion regarding thumb drives ? |
| 23:00.40 | stefano | Hello everybody. I'm trying to debootstrap on powerpc but it fails with this error: |
| 23:00.46 | Ramattack | yahoo for example runs maildir too... and could it don't get out of inodes? |
| 23:00.48 | stefano | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/. mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 23:00.59 | valdyn | Ramattack: ask them |
| 23:01.05 | Ramattack | lol |
| 23:01.09 | anson | what applications are there to search for wireless networks around you? |
| 23:01.31 | abrotman | Ramattack: df -h && df -i |
| 23:01.41 | Ramattack | sorry thumb drives? |
| 23:01.57 | hatter | Ramattack: 512Mb usb drive ? |
| 23:02.02 | Leibsle | stefano, try to chroot to your directory after the debootstrap |
| 23:02.04 | Caelum | why did I get a 64 bit nvidia-glx package when I installed from i386 unstable? |
| 23:02.29 | valdyn | Caelum: did you? |
| 23:02.31 | stefano | Leibsle: the error occurs just after few seconds after launching the debootrap |
| 23:02.32 | Ramattack | yep that was the origin of my doubt |
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| 23:02.44 | anson | application to search wirless networks around you? anyone. |
| 23:02.47 | Caelum | valdyn: ldd nvidia_drv.so says: /usr/bin/ldd: line 165: /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: cannot execute binary file |
| 23:02.50 | Ramattack | valdyn and how was the other way of running out of inodes? |
| 23:02.51 | abrotman | anson: apt-cache search ? |
| 23:02.54 | Ronin | so what does that have to do with a mta Ramattack ? |
| 23:03.01 | anson | wireless? |
| 23:03.16 | Caelum | anson: iwlist |
| 23:03.31 | hatter | IIRC there is some limiting problem with file allocation for many small files on a pen drive ? |
| 23:03.32 | valdyn | Ramattack: using links |
| 23:03.32 | Ramattack | ronin well this thing of running out of inodes worries me mostly on my work environment and my production servers.... |
| 23:03.45 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 23:03.47 | abrotman | hatter: is it FAT32 ? |
| 23:03.50 | Ronin | well a usb key and a server are slighty different beasts |
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| 23:03.57 | Leibsle | stefano, and you used something like "debootstrap --arch ppc ..."? |
| 23:03.57 | hatter | Ramattack: said earlier it was vfat, yes |
| 23:04.07 | anson | doesnt support scanning? |
| 23:04.11 | Ramattack | yep so no inode trouble then... isn't it? |
| 23:04.18 | jelly-home | on a heavily used maildir store here, a partition has 14M/40M files and 100/160GB used space |
| 23:04.22 | stefano | Leibsle : debootstrap --arch powerpc sid . |
| 23:04.25 | Caelum | anson: it does |
| 23:04.35 | valdyn | Ramattack: using links to store unchanged files on incremental backups will easily use all you inodes, nothing else usually |
| 23:04.38 | beau | how do i get permission to edit? |
| 23:04.47 | abrotman | edit what ? |
| 23:04.53 | anson | is scannin need to use? |
| 23:04.56 | Rui__ | any way of limiting dvd drive speed, it makes too much noise while i watch a movie :-\ ? |
| 23:05.00 | Leibsle | stefano, i am not absolutely sure, but i dont think you can debootstrap unstable. only stable or testing |
| 23:05.03 | beau | fstab |
| 23:05.08 | Ramattack | jelly-home 14M/40M what does this mean? |
| 23:05.22 | beau | etc/fstab |
| 23:05.22 | jelly-home | Ramattack: 14M out of 40M inodes used |
| 23:05.35 | hatter | ramattack: are you associationg your inode issue with your thumb drive to a large system hard drive ? |
| 23:05.39 | abrotman | beau: be root |
| 23:05.58 | stefano | Leibsle : on i386 I can debootstrap sid. But now I'm going to try with etch |
| 23:06.02 | beau | do i have to restart? |
| 23:06.23 | Ramattack | nope exactly hatter .... lol.... I was thinking on running out of inodes on my usb stick and think what could happen if that occured on one of my production servers... thats it |
| 23:06.25 | anson | anyone ever heared of airsnort |
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| 23:06.47 | chemist | anson: airsnort is a wep cracking package |
| 23:06.58 | Caelum | anson: iwlist <interface> scanning |
| 23:07.08 | stefano | Leibsle : it seems that here in ppc only stable is debootrapping |
| 23:07.08 | anson | interface meaning eth |
| 23:07.21 | jelly-home | Ramattack: you were described the usual scenarios where that can happen, so... |
| 23:07.24 | Ramattack | so jelly-home valdyn that issue of running out of inodes on a maildir mailserver it's quite theory mostly isn't it? |
| 23:07.55 | Caelum | can someone with nvidia-glx installed do a ldd /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o and tell me if you get an error or not? |
| 23:07.56 | valdyn | Ramattack: i believe so, yes |
| 23:08.00 | jelly-home | Ramattack: for our users, yes. |
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| 23:08.06 | valdyn | Ramattack: depends on average file size |
| 23:08.11 | anson | it says interface doesnt support scanning.. but i know it does |
| 23:08.20 | chemist | ldd |
| 23:08.21 | chemist | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.oldd |
| 23:08.22 | chemist | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.oldd |
| 23:08.39 | Ramattack | I see... if a file is large... uses several inodes... isn't it? |
| 23:08.41 | Leibsle | stefano, in that case i would keep the minimal debootstrapped sarge, do dist-upgrade to etch, then to sid. and then go ahead |
| 23:08.44 | valdyn | Ramattack: check for yourself is more % inodes or space are used.. |
| 23:09.09 | valdyn | !inode |
| 23:09.10 | dpkg | hmm... inode is a filesystem entry: a file, a directory, or some other item |
| 23:09.48 | Caelum | chemist: does that work for you? |
| 23:10.17 | Ramattack | I see... jelly-home you told that because a big file uses several inodes isn't it? |
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| 23:10.28 | anson | are there any frontends for iwlist? |
| 23:10.29 | jelly-home | Ramattack: I didn't. |
| 23:10.45 | Caelum | anson: are you giving it the right interface? |
| 23:10.53 | stefano | Leibsle : sure. also because I see that the scripts of the debootstrap are etch -> sid so something must be quite wrong :-) anyway, I'll do so. Thank you |
| 23:11.09 | Leibsle | stefano, good luck :) |
| 23:11.18 | Ramattack | and why do you say then... that "for our users is like this..." should it be then for all the world users too? |
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| 23:11.32 | creature | This is entirely OT, so please forgive me: How long would it take to brute-force a 256 bit AES key? |
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| 23:11.51 | jelly-home | Ramattack: your users might receive smaller mails on average |
| 23:12.37 | Ramattack | and what happens if you're users receive small mails on average? |
| 23:12.38 | anson | interface meaning eth1 yes |
| 23:12.39 | anson | i am |
| 23:12.50 | Ramattack | or big ones? |
| 23:12.52 | stefano | Leibsle : thank you. This morning I've been able to set up (on x86) a debian installation (and booting) from inside a dir of an external disk (I have a usb disk and I debootstrapped and installed a debian in the /debian dir of the disk, succesfully) and made it boot creating a little script on the initramfs file. Now I'd like to try it on the powerpc |
| 23:13.00 | jelly-home | Ramattack: then you use more inodes per KB of message |
| 23:13.52 | jelly-home | Ramattack: a 500KB and 2KB message in a Maildir are one file, using one inode |
| 23:13.59 | jelly-home | each |
| 23:14.00 | groogs[laptop] | i have a raid 1 setup (with mdadm, on my boot drive), and had two drives in it - once of them failed (excessive read/seek errors), so I ended up removing it, and tried to replace it.. turns out (after scanning with a drive scan tool) that the drive mdadm deactivated was fine ,the problem was on the one it kept active. anyway, now I'm trying to get it working with the older drive (previously... |
| 23:14.01 | anson | my wireless card will not enable.. |
| 23:14.02 | groogs[laptop] | ...marked failed) |
| 23:14.18 | Leibsle | stefano, i never touched a powerpc machine, so i am bad with the details. you could poke around on the debian powerpc channel on OFTC maybe |
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| 23:14.53 | chemist | anson: in airsnort? |
| 23:14.56 | groogs[laptop] | If i boot via knoppix, i can use mdadm --assemble to get it up (i had to use --run the first time, then mount/umounted it, and now i don't need --run) .. but when I actually boot the system it says "kicking non-fresh hda1 from array .. no operational drives for md0 " and then kernel panics because i have no root drive |
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| 23:15.06 | groogs[laptop] | how can I tell it that drive *IS* fresh? |
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| 23:15.08 | anson | no i'm using swscanner.. but it says my device does not support scanning |
| 23:15.20 | anson | is this because it is disabled? |
| 23:15.21 | chemist | what card is it? |
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| 23:15.29 | Ramattack | so then sorry but what has to do the heighth of a message on consuming inodes= |
| 23:15.33 | anson | broadcom 4401 |
| 23:15.53 | jelly-home | Ramattack: so if your average file size is less than say 4096 bytes, you'll ran out of inodes sooner than you'll ran out of block space on an ext3 with default options. If your files are >4KB, you'll run out of blocks before you run out of inodes. |
| 23:16.15 | stefano | Leibsle : sure. But I don't think I'll have problems: those powerpcs are great machines and, once learned to deal with the yaboot, better than x86 for pking around |
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| 23:16.46 | Leibsle | stefano, too bad apple uses intel CPUs these days, eh? |
| 23:17.09 | Ramattack | so from one to 5000 kb you are using an inode if a file occupies an entire block? |
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| 23:17.21 | Ramattack | and it's not distributed on various blocks? |
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| 23:17.43 | Rui__ | any way of limiting dvd drive speed, it makes too much noise while i watch a movie :-\ ? |
| 23:17.55 | jelly-home | Ramattack: one inode per file. Blocks are used depending on the size, obviously. |
| 23:17.58 | stefano | Leibsle : well...what to say...surely it boosted Linux's compatibility. But perhaps the charm of those machines where those great low heat low power powerpc processors. with this iBook I was able to get 6 hours of battery life :) |
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| 23:18.16 | Ramattack | one inode per file or per block?? |
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| 23:18.31 | jelly-home | Ramattack: per file. I'm sorry I mentioned blocks. |
| 23:18.40 | Leibsle | stefano, on the other side, with a PowerPC you could twiddle around with OS X, dont you like it? |
| 23:18.40 | beau | I cant get permission to edit |
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| 23:18.55 | Ramattack | no no lol sorry to me please for not understanding.... |
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| 23:19.29 | chemist | anson: I dont think your card supports "monitor mode" |
| 23:19.39 | anson | what does this mean |
| 23:19.39 | stefano | Leibsle : also now with the intel ones...there's still OS X for intel apples. OS X is a good OS. Better than any "Vista" or "eXPeriences" :-) |
| 23:19.39 | NefariousPrior | Do the sound files for gaim reside in a seperate package? |
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| 23:19.58 | Leibsle | stefano :D |
| 23:20.09 | anson | chemist: how do i find networks around me? |
| 23:20.13 | NefariousPrior | stefano: wow, how wrong you are. |
| 23:20.14 | beau | to become root so i can edit certain files, do i just type su - and password in terminal? |
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| 23:20.35 | chemist | anson: you wont be able to use it as a "monitor" |
| 23:20.42 | chemist | baeu: yes |
| 23:21.15 | beau | that is what i thought, but I still cant edit |
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| 23:21.29 | anson | chemist: i have searched for wireless networks when the machine was windows, are you saying it cant with linuxs? |
| 23:21.44 | stefano | NefariousPrior : where am I wrong? |
| 23:22.04 | Ramattack | sorry jelly-home but can't understand you.... let's see if I understand... one inode per file if occupies 1k or 1 gb... but 1 k uses for example 5 blocks and 1 gb uses 200 blocks .... so although I used one inode I use too much disk space... and at this way we will finish before the block space than inodes.... isn't it? |
| 23:22.09 | chemist | anson: you can but if they are encripted you cant use any hackong tool |
| 23:22.09 | mne | hi there. I was wondering if one of you could help me. I'm considering buying one of those cheap usb2.0 print servers so that I can print in my LAN without having to turn on the computer the printer is attached to. The funny thing is that those tiny print servers just have like 2mb ram and such. Are they worth the money ? Will there be problems like slower printing and such ? I have never used any of these cheap devices before. |
| 23:22.37 | anson | chemist: how do i search for them then if they are encrypted |
| 23:22.38 | NefariousPrior | stefano: XP and MacOSX have been installed on identical machine and it was found that MacOSX ran at least twice as slow as XP. |
| 23:22.54 | valdyn | !troll NefariousPrior |
| 23:22.56 | NefariousPrior | ...not that Is support M$ or anything. |
| 23:23.08 | valdyn | !test |
| 23:23.08 | NefariousPrior | troll? |
| 23:23.08 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 23:23.34 | beau | how do I add text to a system file, just add and click save? |
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| 23:23.51 | chemist | anson: i think you need an atheros or orinocco based card and airsnort or cowpatty |
| 23:23.53 | stefano | NefariousPrior : sure. but I wasn't talking about speed... to be honest, I think that macos is slow also on powerpcs that were born for that os. and is really memory hungry. But, except for this, it's not that bad. No blue screens of death, at least :-) |
| 23:23.55 | centrx | beau yes |
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| 23:23.58 | beau | I am not being allowed to change etc/fstab |
| 23:24.08 | centrx | what does it say |
| 23:24.14 | beau | 1 sec |
| 23:24.18 | Ramattack | jelly-home are you there please? |
| 23:24.25 | Ramattack | am I correct now? |
| 23:24.32 | NefariousPrior | stefano: I misunderstood your statement. and true on BSODs. |
| 23:24.32 | jelly-home | Ramattack: size = blocks, if you fill the disk with a small number of huge files, it's filled ... no more space (no more blocks). If you create zillions of small files, you might use all the inodes, but still have free space |
| 23:24.33 | beau | The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:/etc/fstab. |
| 23:24.33 | beau | Check that you have write access to this file or that enough disk space is available. |
| 23:24.43 | NefariousPrior | valdyn: What do you mean by troll? |
| 23:24.43 | anson | chemist: i just want to find my network in my house.. how do i accomplish this |
| 23:24.59 | chemist | anson: what distro are u using? |
| 23:25.06 | anson | etch |
| 23:25.11 | Ramattack | jelly-home because each file and each directory uses one inode isn't it? |
| 23:25.20 | amphi | mne: just get a proper printer with its own network interface |
| 23:25.27 | chemist | anson: any encription? |
| 23:25.36 | jelly-home | Ramattack: yes |
| 23:25.37 | anson | yes but i could take it off |
| 23:25.58 | stefano | NefariousPrior : but I think that linux rulez. and on all machine/archs |
| 23:26.12 | chemist | anson: if its wpa you will need wpa-supplicant |
| 23:26.21 | mne | amphi, i won't buy a new printer. I have one standing next to me ... I just wonder if these small devices actually work. They even support IPP and LPR, so there should be no problem with CUPS |
| 23:26.35 | chemist | anson: do you use kde? |
| 23:26.42 | anson | gnome |
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| 23:26.50 | amphi | mne: I have no idea about such things |
| 23:27.11 | NefariousPrior | stefano: I left out the part that linux ran 7 times faster than MacOSX and XP. Didn't think it was relevant at the time, but I see we share in interest. |
| 23:27.21 | anson | i cannot find wpa-supplicant in apt-get |
| 23:27.28 | mne | amphi, that's kind of funny. I asked like 15 people and noone ever used this kind of stuff :P |
| 23:28.24 | amphi | mne: perhaps there's a reason for that... |
| 23:28.24 | stefano | NefariousPrior : sure. well...I think it's time for me to go to bed... hope we'll be able to continue next time ! :-) |
| 23:28.24 | jelly-home | mne: at least some of them work. D-Link el-cheapo printer servers we used would happily accept requests to change their IP address from anyone on the network though |
| 23:28.24 | mne | amphi, maybe... that's why i ask |
| 23:28.24 | chemist | anson: dont know about gnome but kde has kwifimanager and that works ok |
| 23:28.35 | anson | so i'm looking for wifi |
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| 23:29.01 | NefariousPrior | stefano: hehe, k |
| 23:29.05 | chemist | anson: and try apt-get install wpa_supplicant |
| 23:29.13 | Ramattack | only one little favour I cant copy to a text file all this conversation could anyone copy for me this entire conversation since I have entered and put it in pastebin or anyelse place please for reading it again??? |
| 23:29.18 | mne | jelly-home, would be no problem. it's just for LAN home use ;) so you know of some that just work and there are no caveats ? |
| 23:29.52 | anson | i found a gui for wpa_supplicant |
| 23:30.09 | chemist | called? |
| 23:30.10 | NefariousPrior | Do the sound files for gaim reside in a seperate package? |
| 23:30.10 | beau | any reason I can't edit a system file even though I put su - in a terminal? |
| 23:30.20 | jelly-home | mne: yep, they're pretty much plug, configure once and forget |
| 23:30.26 | stefano | goodnight everybody! |
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| 23:30.55 | mne | jelly-home, cool. didn't think they would actually work nicely ;) 2mb ram is not much .. |
| 23:31.08 | anson | found it |
| 23:31.11 | anson | wpasupplicant |
| 23:31.22 | jelly-home | mne: the D-Link one I remember would sometimes hang if nmap-ed too hard, nothing that a power cycle wouldn't solve |
| 23:31.25 | chemist | anson: whats the gui called? |
| 23:31.30 | anson | wpagui |
| 23:31.34 | chemist | thx |
| 23:32.00 | anson | chemist: i need a wifi lan scanner? |
| 23:32.04 | beau | do i have to start the editor from a terminal as root to edit system files? |
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| 23:32.20 | jelly-home | mne: 2MB is more buffer than your parallel or usb cable would have. ;-) |
| 23:32.36 | Ramattack | anybody could copy and paste the whole conversation on pastebin since I have entered please? don't know why but can't copy the whole conversation |
| 23:32.50 | Ramattack | the first perhaps 30 lines haven't copied |
| 23:32.58 | ma3x | hey, when I launch firefox, it connects to firefox ( I see this in the status bar ). how do I disable it? |
| 23:33.15 | chemist | anson: not to connect to your own network, i wouldnt think so |
| 23:33.18 | mne | jelly-home, right, but the little thing has to do all the the network protocol stuff. thanks for your information, i guess i will try one of those |
| 23:34.00 | anson | chemist: does this mean anything to you SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 23:34.32 | chemist | anson: module not installed for your card? |
| 23:35.06 | anson | chemist: i see the card in network manager though |
| 23:35.24 | Ramattack | could any please this is important for me |
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| 23:36.01 | beau | I need to edit /etc/fstab can someone please help me? |
| 23:36.08 | radiator | hello, I would need some help with loading modules in a specific order..... |
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| 23:36.23 | anson | chemist: how do i install the modul |
| 23:36.27 | chemist | anson: is you r card pcmcia? |
| 23:36.50 | chemist | or pci? |
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| 23:36.56 | anson | chemist: sorry but what is pcmia |
| 23:37.08 | chemist | laptop or desktop? |
| 23:37.12 | anson | chemist: it is onboard laptop |
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| 23:37.43 | rbellamy | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5509 |
| 23:37.52 | rbellamy | that's what my "apt-get update" looks like |
| 23:38.24 | chemist | anson: you might need to put the firmware for the card in a specific directory |
| 23:38.31 | chemist | what laptop is it? |
| 23:38.41 | anson | inspion 600m |
| 23:38.55 | mne | dell notebooks like to go kawooom ;) |
| 23:39.00 | anson | chemist: broadcom 4401 |
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| 23:40.49 | beau | can someone help me edit a sytem file? |
| 23:40.51 | gpm | hey guys, i have an external hd which is fat32, when it gets automounted (by hal/pmount/gnome-volume-manager) i can't read it or write to it, any clues on how i can change the default permissions for removable drives? |
| 23:41.15 | ma3x | what happens if you type "firefox" in the address bar? |
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| 23:43.00 | Ramattack | well thanks a lot everybody folks |
| 23:43.00 | anson | chemist: do i have to setup my card with ndiswrapper |
| 23:43.09 | karsten | !vfatrw |
| 23:43.09 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 23:43.14 | chemist | anson: possibly |
| 23:43.16 | karsten | gpm: ^^ |
| 23:43.32 | anson | chemist: what is ndiswrapper |
| 23:43.37 | Ramattack | you have helped me a lot.... valdyn, jelly-home, and truthly thanks a lot everybody for help me |
| 23:43.44 | karsten | !ndiswrapper |
| 23:43.44 | dpkg | ndiswrapper is probably a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux i386 only. If there is a Linux driver for your card, use that instead; if there isn't, email your manufacturer and ask for one (since it's better for everyone involved if there are real drivers), then ask me about "ndiswrapper one-liner" for information on setting up ndiswrapper. If you don't yet own a card, consider buying one that has real Linux drivers. |
| 23:43.46 | chemist | anson: 4401 broadcom should be supported |
| 23:44.06 | gpm | karsten: yeah, i know about that, but i was kinda hoping to change the way pmount handles removables...otherwise every time someone brings an external i'll have to access it as root or enter it into my fstab...kinda annoying |
| 23:44.12 | ponyofdeath | hi, i am making an image for debian and am wondering if it is safe to delete /var/log/*? Will they be regenerated as needed? Also how can i regenerate the ssh key's at next bootup automatically? |
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| 23:44.24 | chemist | anson: do lsmod in terminal and see if bcm4400 or something similar is there |
| 23:44.26 | danf_1979 | Hi, if I am going to have separate / /usr /var /tmp and /home partitions, what would be a good size in GB for / partition? (for a dedicated server, 250GB total in disk |
| 23:44.26 | karsten | gpm: Then change the defaults. |
| 23:44.39 | gpm | karsten: that's precisely what i don't know how to do |
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| 23:45.04 | Ramattack | thanks a lot thruthly folks, gone to sleep see you!!! |
| 23:45.08 | karsten | gpm: Then find out how the stick's being mounted, and find out where it's getting its config from. I'm going to guess automounter/autofs. |
| 23:45.10 | Ramattack | bye! |
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| 23:45.25 | gpm | karsten: it's pmount |
| 23:45.34 | anson | chemist: it says broadcom 43xx |
| 23:45.39 | beau | I just rebooted sorry so anyone want to help me edit this file? |
| 23:45.51 | karsten | ponyofdeath: /var/log is in general regenerated. I'd avoid removing directories. If you want to manage space, look at logrotate. |
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| 23:46.09 | karsten | gpm: There you go. That's what you want to read about. |
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| 23:46.29 | beau | my editor wont let me make th chages even though i typed su -in a term |
| 23:46.31 | gpm | yeah, i'm reading, i thought i might find a shortcut in here |
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| 23:46.34 | ponyofdeath | karsten: its not space this will be used for an image to bring up other machines and do not want any logs in var log |
| 23:46.58 | karsten | ponyofdeath: I'd suggest mounting /var seperately per-client, or configuring remote system logs. |
| 23:47.35 | chemist | anson: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7949 |
| 23:47.40 | ponyofdeath | karsten: yeah thats a project in the future for now i just want to start with a clean var log if possible |
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| 23:47.57 | ponyofdeath | karsten: do u know how i can force ssh key regen during next startup? |
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| 23:48.37 | gpm | karsten: huh, i guess this stuff is still just shaky, i just re-plugged the removable and everything works |
| 23:49.16 | ki11bi11 | does debian install disk allow the partition/ installation of raid? |
| 23:49.21 | karsten | ponyofdeath: /boot: ~64 MB, /: ~250 MB, /var: ~2-3 GB. /usr: ~4 GB. /tmp: ~250 MB. swap: n partitions sized to current ram, to max ram on system (or 2-4 GB swap in general). /home: balance of disk. Maybe a recovery "system2" partition ~250 MB. |
| 23:49.24 | anson | chemist: my encryption is wpa.. how do i use wpasupplicant |
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| 23:49.47 | chemist | anson: not sure , never used it:) |
| 23:49.49 | karsten | ponyofdeath: Read the ssh postinst file: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ssh.postinst |
| 23:49.56 | karsten | ponyofdeath: Possibly ssh-server these days. |
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| 23:50.04 | chemist | anson: but the gui should do a good job |
| 23:50.05 | ponyofdeath | karsten: thanks! |
| 23:50.16 | anson | cant figure out how to open the gui |
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| 23:50.23 | karsten | ponyofdeath: openssh-server.postinst |
| 23:50.31 | karsten | !tell anson about set up x |
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| 23:50.59 | Pedro420 | nvz: nandrew ? |
| 23:51.04 | karsten | ki11bi11: If it doesn't you can pre-partition / configure and install into the configured array. Eg: boot Knoppix first. |
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| 23:51.27 | ma3x | hello. everytime when i launch firefox it says connecting to firefox... and i wait it like 2 mins untill it times out. is this a bug? |
| 23:51.32 | chemist | anson: try wpagui from the terminal |
| 23:51.40 | ma3x | or can something be done in the about:config? |
| 23:51.46 | anson | no not fond |
| 23:51.47 | anson | found |
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| 23:52.09 | nvz | Pedro420: what? |
| 23:52.23 | chemist | not sure then, but I'm sure the wpasupplicant homepage will have docs |
| 23:53.17 | Pedro420 | nvz: MAn I think you need to come and look at this thing everytime I plug the cable into the phone it says unable to charge |
| 23:53.36 | nvz | Pedro420: heh |
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| 23:54.03 | nvz | Pedro420: I told you it looked like that one mini usb port did like everything from file i/o, audio, and power |
| 23:54.24 | nvz | Pedro420: you should have ordered one of those $10 bluetooth things |
| 23:55.05 | anson | is wpasupplicant the only one that works? |
| 23:55.13 | Pedro420 | nvz: I was sayin usb connected when I first did i but I couldn't figure out what folder to put the music in now all it says is unable to charge |
| 23:55.27 | chemist | anson: for wpa yes |
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| 23:58.53 | BLarg | Is there a way to convince the installer not to verify package signatures, or at least not to fail if a package is unsigned? |
| 23:59.05 | BLarg | I can't install etch as the lvm2 package is unsigned. |
| 23:59.59 | beau | I need to add text to /etc/fstab but the editor says I don't have permission |