| 00:00.24 | kromagg | mount |
| 00:00.41 | mango | FuzzyB: thank. I will do that.....You guys are great. Thanks a lot everyone:) |
| 00:00.42 | Guerin | mango: don't scan for viruses. It's a waste of your time. |
| 00:01.00 | DAddYE | earthian: I need apache 2.2.4 |
| 00:01.17 | FuzzyB | what is so damm important in 2.2.4 that you don't have in 2.2.3 |
| 00:01.20 | kromagg | sry wrong chan |
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| 00:02.04 | FuzzyB | [Tue Feb 27 08:01:31 2007] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_perl/2.0.2 Perl/v5.8.8 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 00:02.06 | FuzzyB | :] |
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| 00:03.25 | earthian | hm.. i dont see apache in sarge backports! :/ |
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| 00:03.39 | earthian | i remember i had it in my sarge server a while ago |
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| 00:04.57 | fasta | Why is my username printed twice when I run the command "users"? AFAIK, I am only logged in once(via a graphical session). |
| 00:05.12 | FuzzyB | stale session? |
| 00:05.20 | Guerin | FuzzyB: got a shell open? |
| 00:05.23 | fasta | FuzzyB: nothing crashed today |
| 00:05.25 | FuzzyB | of course |
| 00:05.25 | Guerin | bah fasta |
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| 00:05.39 | Guerin | fasta: such as the one you're typing `users' in? |
| 00:05.42 | fasta | Guerin: A terminal window |
| 00:05.47 | foormea | hi all |
| 00:05.55 | fasta | Guerin: "Gnome terminal" |
| 00:06.09 | Guerin | fasta: yes. One gui login, one terminal login. Open another for S&G |
| 00:06.22 | fasta | !dict S&G |
| 00:06.24 | dpkg | Dictionary 'S&G' (2): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "sg" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" sg ;; <networking> The country code for Singapore.. |
| 00:06.32 | Guerin | shits & giggles |
| 00:06.34 | foormea | i'm trying to add the tty device in my xterm (gnome-terminal) window's title. i added something in my ~/.bashrc but it adds the tty device before the prompt... (i'm running ubuntu) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7865/ |
| 00:06.51 | FuzzyB | slackware & gnome |
| 00:06.52 | fasta | Guerin: thanks |
| 00:07.59 | DAddYE | Guerin: http://ticket.lipsiasoft.org/ |
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| 00:08.56 | Guerin | DAddYE: nice! |
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| 00:09.07 | DAddYE | ;) |
| 00:09.13 | earthian | is it possible to boot a bootable cd image (iso) with grub? |
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| 00:09.21 | DAddYE | now a I can capistranize my site! |
| 00:09.27 | pythonic | hi! i get disk too small to be automatically partitioned... how small is too small? |
| 00:09.36 | earthian | or is it possible to boot a bootable ISO without a cd? |
| 00:09.37 | earthian | :) |
| 00:09.47 | pythonic | earthian: sure. try qemu. |
| 00:10.05 | earthian | but i need to boot it at boot time |
| 00:10.10 | earthian | like i boot linux |
| 00:10.16 | pinx | what's the syntax for " date --set=xxxxxxx " |
| 00:10.49 | Guerin | pinx: the date format? YYYYMMDD HH:MM:SS:CCC |
| 00:10.51 | twobitsprite | !compress |
| 00:10.51 | dpkg | hmm... compress is the thing that unix hackers used to use back in the 1980s and 1990s before gzip came around. uses a patented algorithm for compressing, so it's not Free to implement (but decompression is Free, hence gzip's ability to handle .Z files) |
| 00:10.53 | earthian | well.. grub boots 1st, i wonder if it would be capable of booting a ISO image in /boot directory.. just like initramfs but not linux but dos ? |
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| 00:11.17 | pythonic | dos sucks |
| 00:11.19 | pinx | thanks Guerin |
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| 00:11.27 | tanob | hello, i just created a new partition, called hda4, but it doesnt is shown in /dev, how can I update /dev? |
| 00:11.57 | wols | are you using udev or old schoool device files? |
| 00:12.20 | piztek | does anyone know how to add extentions to how firefox handles file types in firefox's preferences? I can get to the window to edit them, but i can't add file types, and others when I click "remember this for future file types" it doesn't save the preference |
| 00:12.21 | fasta | Guerin: S&G is "for the fun of it"? |
| 00:12.30 | Guerin | fasta: yeah, more or less. |
| 00:12.37 | pythonic | mknod /dev/hda4 b 3 4 |
| 00:12.42 | Guerin | DAddYE: how'd you end up doing it? |
| 00:12.47 | fasta | Guerin: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shits+and+giggles :) |
| 00:13.01 | fasta | Guerin: That website is a _great_ idea for machine learning. |
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| 00:13.23 | DAddYE | few minutes |
| 00:13.27 | Guerin | fasta: yeh |
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| 00:13.30 | fasta | Guerin: I am not sure whether it's one of their goals to be that, though. |
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| 00:13.46 | Guerin | fasta: i don't think so, but it sure is interesting. |
| 00:14.03 | tanob | wols, udev |
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| 00:14.35 | wols | cause what you need to do differs then |
| 00:14.47 | tanob | i restarted the udev service, but that doesnt updated |
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| 00:15.21 | earthian | probepart? |
| 00:15.29 | earthian | or it was scanpart? |
| 00:15.30 | j720LinuX | woh! running xchat onJornada 720 :) |
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| 00:15.56 | pinx | Guerin: nope - it doesn't like that syntax, and when I do tzconfig it's about 12 hours adrift |
| 00:15.57 | sts | I've got a question about building debian packages: does dpatch apply the patches even if i compile a package with dpkg-buildpackage -nc -rfakeroot? |
| 00:16.08 | earthian | tanob, try partprobe |
| 00:16.11 | Guerin | pinx: not encapsulated in quotes? |
| 00:16.15 | gravity | sts: Only if the debian/rules file is set up to use dpatch |
| 00:16.19 | pinx | nope |
| 00:16.19 | earthian | !partprobe |
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| 00:16.24 | earthian | !info partprobe |
| 00:16.29 | sts | gravity: well i suppose it is. |
| 00:16.39 | sts | gravity: i modfied the debian apache2 package |
| 00:16.53 | gravity | sts: If it already uses dpatch, then yeah it probably is. |
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| 00:17.08 | sts | gravity: why?\ |
| 00:17.19 | piztek | does anyone know how to add extentions to how firefox handles file types in firefox's preferences? I can get to the window to edit them, but i can't add file types, and others when I click "remember this for future file types" it doesn't save the preference |
| 00:17.24 | tanob | !partprobe |
| 00:17.26 | gravity | sts: It doesn't scale well to large codebases. I spent some time with dbs, which is very similar. |
| 00:17.33 | tanob | !info partprobe |
| 00:17.50 | tanob | doesnt exist :P |
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| 00:17.56 | sts | gravity: hm. apache is a large codebase ... why are they still using it? |
| 00:18.06 | gravity | sts: I don't know. |
| 00:18.13 | stew | gravity: are you still advocating quilt? |
| 00:18.23 | gravity | stew: There's nothing better. |
| 00:18.24 | Nwallins|home | wols, FuzzyB: I've tried every combination of refresh and sync. the vesa driver is sharp (i.e. exactly what I would expect from the monitor) while the ati driver is fuzzy (slightly out of focus -- annoying. could very well be refresh-related) |
| 00:18.33 | stew | i'm using dpatch for most of my packages, but i have one left to convert, maybe i'll have a look at quilt |
| 00:18.40 | gravity | stew: We may move to one of the quilt-like porcelains built on git though. |
| 00:19.04 | tanob | yes, partprobe command does the work, thanks :) |
| 00:19.04 | earthian | tanob, it should be somewhere but not as a package... it updates partitions for a running kernel i think |
| 00:19.07 | earthian | not sure tho... |
| 00:19.10 | Nwallins|home | wols, FuzzyB: for 1024x768, the ati driver is passable, but vesa is clearly sharper at that res. what is interesting is the monitor footprint is different for the different drivers |
| 00:19.22 | Nwallins|home | at the same resolution |
| 00:19.30 | tanob | but why cfdisk dont do that ? |
| 00:19.33 | gravity | stew: I really hated dpatch's patches-as-scripts deal. I consider it really stupid and pointless. |
| 00:19.42 | gravity | stew: That's one thing dbs did better. |
| 00:19.48 | earthian | will reboot now, need to run partition magic again... I am trying to recover my half of a terabyte of data :/ |
| 00:20.02 | wols | Nwallins|home: clearly a sign of different refresh |
| 00:20.18 | twobitsprite | what the hell is with gnu rejecting man? |
| 00:20.18 | stew | gravity: dpatch was just what I learned first becuase a co-maintainer switched our package to dpatch |
| 00:20.26 | stew | gravity: "porcelains"? |
| 00:20.27 | Nwallins|home | wols: I have tried everything in monitor section of xorg.conf -- no setting there makes ati acceptable |
| 00:20.33 | gravity | stew: Yeah, that's pretty common. It's sort of a least common denominator system. |
| 00:20.41 | EdLin | twobitsprite: once upon a time, nroff was proprietary. |
| 00:20.55 | twobitsprite | EdLin: ahh... and they just never looked back? |
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| 00:21.06 | EdLin | twobitsprite: yes. |
| 00:21.12 | twobitsprite | EdLin: lame |
| 00:21.16 | gravity | stew: Yeah, git itself was originally considered to be the "plumbing" on which an actual SCM would be built. It eventually grew commands to behave like a real SCM itself, but other porcelains exist on the plumbing. cogito is the most famous. |
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| 00:21.37 | sts | gravity: SCM? |
| 00:21.45 | no0tic | hi, you have a spam bot here... |
| 00:21.48 | EdLin | twobitsprite: all operating systems are lame, GNU/Linux is just one of the least lame ones. |
| 00:21.49 | gravity | sts: Souce Control Management system. Or something similar :-) |
| 00:21.56 | gravity | sts: CVS, SVN, etc |
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| 00:22.19 | DAddYE | stew: last question but Ive httpd 2.2.4 on usr/local how I can add it on init.d ? |
| 00:22.26 | tanob | what is the package that provides a tool to create a fat partition ? |
| 00:22.35 | tanob | *format a partition as fat32 |
| 00:22.46 | Nwallins|home | wols: do you know a way to work around the different refresh in the ati driver? |
| 00:23.39 | earthian | Nwallins|home, do you know properties of your monitor? |
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| 00:24.08 | earthian | you could use them in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at the step of monitor detection or so... |
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| 00:24.26 | earthian | or xorg.conf file if you are familiar with it |
| 00:24.29 | Nwallins|home | earthian: the issue is, the monitor looks great at reasonable resolutions under vesa driver |
| 00:24.39 | earthian | what card? |
| 00:24.39 | stew | gravity: ahh, gotcha, heh, i was going to say, "when i hear the word porcelain, i think of..." but i guess i was actually thinking of the same thing |
| 00:24.42 | Nwallins|home | earthian: switch "vesa" to "ati", and the monitor looks blurry |
| 00:24.54 | earthian | what card is it? |
| 00:24.55 | Nwallins|home | earthian: ATI Rage XL, onboard, 8MB |
| 00:24.59 | gravity | stew: Yeah, that's Linus for you :-) |
| 00:25.00 | earthian | oh |
| 00:25.26 | tanob | dosfstools :) |
| 00:25.37 | stew | DAddYE: i would think that the installer installed a script in init.d already, use rcconf or update-rc.d to enable it |
| 00:25.45 | earthian | blurryness should not be caused by refresh rates afaik |
| 00:25.54 | stew | gravity: i don't see myself switching off svn anytime soon... |
| 00:26.03 | Nwallins|home | earthian: dunno -- I would just use the vesa driver but the performance really sucks |
| 00:26.07 | DAddYE | stew: thanks |
| 00:26.10 | sts | gravity: would you send me a link to git/quilt sites? |
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| 00:26.35 | gravity | stew: It works for most people. Now that I've got the basic hang of git, I'm not going back to svn. Or anything non-distributed. |
| 00:27.04 | gravity | sts: Quilt doesn't really have any sites. Just look at the docs in the debian package. As for git, just google it. It's the first hit. The docs in git-docs are also fantastic, as are the manpages. |
| 00:27.05 | stew | sts: "http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/quilt is the current best approximation of an upstream homepage." |
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| 00:27.36 | stew | gravity: after years of using svn, i'm finally becoming competent, i'd hate to start over :) |
| 00:27.36 | gravity | quilt has a really good tutorial and manpage. It's a fairly simple to use, but it's got a lot of power. |
| 00:27.47 | stew | gravity: and i'm finally getting erich's laysvn into usable shape |
| 00:27.51 | gravity | stew: hehe. Yeah, I never really set up my own repo for svn. |
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| 00:28.09 | gravity | stew: Ah, so someone is actually using that. Interesting. What does it do that svn:externals doesn't? |
| 00:28.32 | earthian | Nwallins|home, you could try searching for a different driver maybe? fglrx? mesa dri? not sure for that chip tho... i had ati radeon and know a lot with that kind of cards as i have fixed a lot of things there... onboard ati and not radeon is different to me so not sure at ll. |
| 00:28.38 | earthian | ll=all |
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| 00:30.26 | stew | gravity: afaik svn:externals only lets you add a new repo into a subdirectory, laysvn lets me have files in the same directory from different repos |
| 00:30.45 | gravity | stew: Ah, I see. Interesting. |
| 00:30.52 | sts | stew, gravity: distributed, hm ... the folks over at Best Practical wrote a distributed version control system that integrates with SVN, called SVK. |
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| 00:31.16 | sts | stew, gravity: http://bestpractical.com/svk/ |
| 00:31.20 | gravity | sts: Yeah. I've never used it. It's supposed to be ok. |
| 00:31.21 | seshomaru123 | hi - just installed debian , looking for firefox , i know its under a different name,,,,what is it? |
| 00:31.27 | stew | gravity: i use it so that i have multiple repos i might possibly have checked out in $HOME, one for .bash/.zsh one for .emacs one for x related stuff. |
| 00:32.06 | gravity | sts: The general consensus is that's it's inferior to systems that were designed to be distributed. |
| 00:32.10 | sts | gravity: me neither, i just read you say you won't switch to something thats not distributed ... well suppose they made svn distributed somehow. |
| 00:32.30 | gravity | sts: There's also tools like git-svn that do the same thing |
| 00:32.38 | stew | gravity: and so i have multiple possible branches for .emacs depending on if its emacs21 or -snapshot, and different X branches depeding on if its ion3 or wmii or ratpoison |
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| 00:33.16 | gravity | stew: Hrm. I don't know if I get it. Why not just keep the various branches and then merge in the changes as you make them? |
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| 00:34.01 | pinx | I got date/time set, but ntpd is screwing up. In the logs it gives 'address already in use' and 'bad file descriptor'. Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 00:34.11 | stew | gravity: what do you mean? like if i make a change to (for instance) .xsesion, then copy it into a repository by hand? |
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| 00:34.43 | FernandoMM | Hello. Between vesa and fbdev. Which one is the most compatible? |
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| 00:35.00 | wols | VESA probably |
| 00:35.08 | seshomaru123 | people - please tell me , what is firefox called in debian , iceweasel or something? |
| 00:35.09 | wols | exists for longer |
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| 00:35.14 | gravity | stew: You implied that you were keeping multiple branches of config files around. Each branch was for something like a specific wm. What problem does laysvn solve there? |
| 00:35.19 | wols | yes iceweasel |
| 00:35.36 | FernandoMM | wols: VESA support old graphic cards better than fbdev, right? |
| 00:35.46 | wols | I'd say so |
| 00:35.53 | wols | tho there is vesa 1.0 and 2.0 |
| 00:36.00 | seshomaru123 | wols apt-get cannot find this pacakge do i need a special repository fpr that? |
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| 00:36.26 | wols | in etch, there is iceweasel |
| 00:36.32 | seshomaru123 | i see |
| 00:36.35 | seshomaru123 | in sarge? |
| 00:36.39 | Dewi | wols: blimey, you still here? |
| 00:36.39 | wols | but there is also a firefox transition package afaik |
| 00:36.54 | wols | there is always a firefox in main, no matter which debian |
| 00:36.55 | Dewi | wols: I've had a good full night of sleep |
| 00:36.55 | stew | gravity: the fact that on one machine i want my home directory to have the wmii branch of my X repository, and also the -snapshot branch of my emacs repository. on some other machine i want the ion3 branch of X and the -snapshot version of emacs, on some server, i don't need X and i want the emacs21 version of emacs |
| 00:37.19 | FernandoMM | wols: thanks for the answers |
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| 00:37.34 | seshomaru123 | wols - thanks |
| 00:37.47 | wols | I will soon have a night full of sleep, not a full one I guess |
| 00:37.59 | gravity | stew: I think I get it. You could solve it with a lot more branches, but this sounds like it lets you get away with fewer |
| 00:40.15 | stew | gravity: right |
| 00:40.19 | gravity | Cool |
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| 00:41.32 | stew | gravity: and its pretty transparant, "laysvn -l layername foo" works just like "svn foo" would, so stuff like "laysvn -l emacs -m message commit" or "laysvn -l emacs status" or "laysvn -l emacs add .emacs.d/newfile" all work like they would in svn |
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| 00:43.28 | saint-takeshi | i think i need to install kernel sources, recompile my kernel, then install the ATI driver...but i don't really know how...anyone got a link to an easy to follow guide how to do that |
| 00:43.38 | saint-takeshi | ? |
| 00:45.05 | Wyzard | !tell saint-takeshi about fglrx |
| 00:45.18 | Wyzard | You don't need to (and shouldn't) recompile the whole kernel |
| 00:45.36 | nevyn | Wyzard: unless you really want to ;) |
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| 00:47.13 | saint-takeshi | it sounds like a handy thing to know how to do. i'm thinking about a full reformat, to be honest, i've installed everuest in about 4 different places, from trying to teach myself windows emulation (one of which was loose in my home directory) |
| 00:48.01 | Wyzard | Recompiling the kernel has nothing to do with a "full reformat" |
| 00:49.01 | mhammerton | hey i was wondering if someone can help me i am trying to install etch 64bit(the daily built image) on some xeon 5050 boxes, but during the install after i select a network mirror to install from it just hangs there on 5% forever, anyone has any idea what it is or how i can get around it? |
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| 00:49.30 | Guerin | mhammerton: known bug. |
| 00:49.39 | saint-takeshi | no, i'm aware of that, but it would have the same effect in terms of cleanin g out all the things i've compiled badly and injstalled wrongly that have affected the kernel (many, many openGL-related things, video drivers, other weird drivers from source) |
| 00:49.53 | Wyzard | No, it wouldn't |
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| 00:50.11 | saint-takeshi | no? |
| 00:50.12 | Guerin | mhammerton: boot the installer with boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true |
| 00:50.18 | Guerin | !5% error |
| 00:50.21 | Wyzard | Reformatting and reinstalling would clean out all the junk, of course |
| 00:50.29 | Wyzard | Compiling a custom kernel would not |
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| 00:51.15 | pythonic | how can i name (i.e. like a hostname) a dynamic ip address? |
| 00:51.39 | mhammerton | Guerin: Thanks |
| 00:51.45 | Guerin | !5% error is d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like |
| 00:51.46 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 00:52.16 | Wyzard | pythonic: Are you looking for a DNS service like dyndns.org? |
| 00:52.30 | saint-takeshi | it would give me a clean kernel to install the radeon propriatatry drivers into |
| 00:52.30 | michlemken | is there some package which keeps the bios time right on time? |
| 00:52.52 | pythonic | i'm using krb5-kdc which listens on anything but localhost. i want to put a hostname in krb5.conf that kinit can use. |
| 00:53.05 | DAddYE | how I can find a file ? |
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| 00:53.24 | pythonic | (i'm just testing krb5 atm) |
| 00:53.31 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: Your kernel isn't "unclean" now... again, it's completely unrelated to all the stuff you've installed |
| 00:53.39 | michlemken | DAddYE: man find |
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| 00:53.46 | DAddYE | thankssssssss |
| 00:54.41 | pythonic | is there no virtual hostname that represents "this host but on eth0 not lo"? |
| 00:54.53 | michlemken | DAddYE: ... or man grep |
| 00:54.55 | saint-takeshi | wyzard: then why won't direct rendering work? |
| 00:55.03 | DAddYE | thanks people |
| 00:55.26 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: Have you built and installed an fglrx-kernel package? |
| 00:55.36 | saint-takeshi | a what now? |
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| 00:55.54 | Wyzard | !tell saint-takeshi about fglrx |
| 00:55.55 | Wyzard | (again) |
| 00:56.13 | x_link | Hi |
| 00:56.29 | x_link | Would somebody like to just explain for me with easy words what kernel is and actually does? |
| 00:56.42 | michlemken | who is helping me synchronizing the bios time??? |
| 00:56.59 | pythonic | putting it another way: ping localhost pings 127.0.0.1 (i.e. localhost on lo) ; is there ping foo that'll ping localhost on eth0 (or ppp0, or whatever)? |
| 00:57.16 | Wyzard | x_link: It's the software that provides services for applications to actually *do* things like open files and communicate on the network |
| 00:57.27 | saint-takeshi | x_link: the kernel is the core of an operating system, and controls how your OS interacts with your hardware |
| 00:57.53 | saint-takeshi | x_link: no, it's what wyzard said |
| 00:57.53 | x_link | hrmm ok |
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| 00:58.10 | Guerin | x_link: kernel=driveshaft |
| 00:58.19 | x_link | Guerin: I don't know what word |
| 00:58.31 | Guerin | except wyzard's explanation wasn't brain-dead simple |
| 00:58.34 | x_link | So when i hit the FireFox icon... then the kernel actually opens it? |
| 00:58.36 | Guerin | heh, turns out mine wasn't either |
| 00:58.58 | Guerin | x_link: it's the fundamental thing without which no other programs can work. |
| 00:59.13 | x_link | hmm ok |
| 00:59.19 | x_link | I must find a site on swedish about kernel. |
| 00:59.22 | michlemken | x_link: the kernel is linux - invented by Linus Torvalds - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds - it's the operating system |
| 00:59.24 | x_link | What it does etc. |
| 00:59.34 | Guerin | x_link: that's quite technical |
| 00:59.46 | x_link | ok |
| 00:59.54 | x_link | I will do it tomorrow when I wake up |
| 01:00.05 | Wyzard | x_link: When you click on the Firefox icon, there's a bunch of non-kernel code controlling looking up which program that icon represents, but it's the kernel that actually loads the Firefox program and starts it running |
| 01:00.07 | x_link | Guerin: I will start going on Linux classes =) |
| 01:00.24 | x_link | Wyzard: ok |
| 01:00.36 | x_link | Thanks for your explanation =) |
| 01:00.50 | x_link | Now I have to go to bed, must read more Linux stuff when I get back home tomorrow. |
| 01:00.53 | x_link | Take care folx! Bye! |
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| 01:02.35 | michlemken | time? |
| 01:02.40 | kritical | Does anyone know of a reason why top could display high cpu usage however doesn't list the process tying things up? |
| 01:03.11 | kritical | For instance, are any processes hidden by default? |
| 01:03.52 | stew | kritical: exactly how is it reporting the high cpu usage? |
| 01:05.07 | kritical | stew: under user |
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| 01:05.30 | kritical | User CPU % was high, Idle CPU % was low |
| 01:06.17 | stew | kritical: what about WAit and SYstem? |
| 01:06.30 | kritical | Both low |
| 01:06.48 | stoned | x_link: ho |
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| 01:06.52 | stoned | hi |
| 01:07.16 | stoned | oh nm he left |
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| 01:08.37 | x_link | stoned: Hi =) |
| 01:08.58 | x_link | I forgot to turn off my monitor =) so good night now |
| 01:09.02 | stoned | x_link: hey that game secret maryo you were asking about |
| 01:09.07 | kritical | It's very dis concerning, the only reason I can think of would be a root kit? |
| 01:09.10 | x_link | yeah |
| 01:09.19 | x_link | stoned: Hurry, I really have to go =) |
| 01:09.27 | stoned | x_link: well i packaged it, now go |
| 01:09.36 | x_link | stoned: Ohhh great !! |
| 01:09.53 | x_link | Well done stoned, really kind of you. |
| 01:10.00 | x_link | stoned: So where can I download it from now? |
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| 01:10.18 | x_link | I will ask tomorrow |
| 01:10.21 | x_link | Good night stoned ! |
| 01:10.34 | stoned | later, i'll have to setup a mirror or actually know what you can just get the deb |
| 01:11.35 | stoned | i have to make sure its good with debian guidelines and all that mombojo |
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| 01:12.39 | jcapone | how do I make samba shares accessible to programs under gnome easily.. like doing "mount" on them in nautilus doesnt mae them show up.. |
| 01:12.41 | stoned | x_link: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/smc_0.99_i386.deb if you come around or just ask me later, hopefully by tomorrow it should be cleaned up and ready for testing by someone |
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| 01:14.15 | saint-takeshi | nearly working now, i can access the ATI control thing, but still using indirect rendering....how do i turn direct rendering on |
| 01:15.15 | stoned | saint-takeshi: you are loading the dri module in xorg.conf? |
| 01:15.57 | vook | how would set up my system to direct *all* messages to <something> instead of stdout? My tty's are being flooded with wifi/network hw messages. |
| 01:16.06 | saint-takeshi | i WAS before i changed drivers, i'll check just now |
| 01:16.23 | saint-takeshi | yep. |
| 01:16.36 | stoned | saint-takeshi: also you have libgl1-mesa-dri etc. |
| 01:16.57 | saint-takeshi | how do i check if DRI's loading properly? |
| 01:17.10 | stoned | glxinfo|grep direct |
| 01:17.18 | vook | saint-takeshi: type glxinfo | less at an xterm |
| 01:17.54 | saint-takeshi | "direct rendering: no" |
| 01:18.02 | saint-takeshi | how do i make that say yes? |
| 01:18.07 | stoned | lol |
| 01:18.21 | vook | saint-takeshi: what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 01:18.47 | vook | chipset,etc... |
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| 01:19.31 | saint-takeshi | MSI ati radeon 9250 (i think that's r280) |
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| 01:19.46 | saint-takeshi | you need the rest of my specs? |
| 01:19.50 | vook | na |
| 01:19.53 | earthian | omfg!! the upgrade "linux-image-2.6.18-4-k7" killed my nvidia-glx-legacy that is depended on nvidia-kernel-legacy that is depended on linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 :( |
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| 01:20.03 | karsten | is it just me or is there no ar(5) manpage in debian? |
| 01:20.05 | earthian | where are the updated drivers? |
| 01:20.06 | earthian | ffs |
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| 01:20.21 | irkite | Hi, I installed a "Desktop" using debian's base-config, how do I get a GUI now? |
| 01:20.27 | earthian | karsten: its you |
| 01:20.30 | jcapone | earthian: are you mixing sources? |
| 01:20.38 | earthian | jcapone: no |
| 01:20.51 | karsten | earthian: And here I thought it was 'u'. |
| 01:20.58 | vook | saint-takeshi: make sure you have the line -- Load "glx" -- under the 'Section "Module"' in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. |
| 01:21.09 | jcapone | jcapone: if you are using a single 100% debian distribution then you need to bitch at the maintainer for nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 01:21.15 | karsten | earthian: auto-apt search ar.5.gz shows nothing. |
| 01:21.20 | jcapone | earthian: sorry that was for you |
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| 01:21.25 | moparisthebest | I am using debian stable and just upgraded from 1gb to 2gb of RAM, the bios recognizes it but the OS does not, anyone know of a reason? |
| 01:21.31 | FuzzyB | is there a way to get dpkg to spit out the post processing scripts? I just installed tftpd, and it didn't write the linues needed into inetd.conf |
| 01:21.42 | karsten | moparisthebest: 'mem=' boot param? |
| 01:21.51 | moparisthebest | where would that be karsten ? |
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| 01:21.59 | FuzzyB | on the line you boot the kernel with |
| 01:22.03 | karsten | FuzzyB: /var/lib/dpkg/info/tftpd.postinst |
| 01:22.07 | earthian | hmm.. karsten i see ar(1) ar(5) is not here too :/ |
| 01:22.08 | FuzzyB | thanks karmatronic |
| 01:22.10 | FuzzyB | karsten: |
| 01:22.11 | karsten | FuzzyB: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 01:22.36 | vook | saint-takeshi: and go to ati.com for your X drivers (rather than using the debian package). |
| 01:22.40 | karsten | moparisthebest: erm that was for you WRT cmdline |
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| 01:22.46 | earthian | jcapone: where are the maintainerS? |
| 01:22.55 | earthian | what chan or so? |
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| 01:23.02 | moparisthebest | what karsten ? |
| 01:23.19 | karsten | moparisthebest: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 01:24.00 | moparisthebest | karsten, all that shows up is 'root=/dev/hda5 ro' |
| 01:24.06 | FuzzyB | karsten: perfect thanks |
| 01:24.08 | karsten | moparisthebest: That would be a "no" then. |
| 01:24.14 | karsten | FuzzyB: NP. |
| 01:24.29 | moparisthebest | hmm, I wonder what the problem is then... |
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| 01:24.36 | jcapone | !maint nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 01:24.38 | FuzzyB | now lets just see if this damm t1000 will take this netboot this round |
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| 01:25.45 | jcapone | !+maint nvidia-kernel-legacy |
| 01:25.47 | dpkg | Package 'nvidia-kernel-legacy' does not exist. |
| 01:26.03 | karsten | moparisthebest: Duh! |
| 01:26.10 | karsten | moparisthebest: ... it's obviously something else ;-) |
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| 01:26.18 | moparisthebest | obviously, but what? :P |
| 01:26.29 | jcapone | earthian: you are using sarge? |
| 01:26.32 | moparisthebest | when I upgraded from 512 to 1gb it worked fine |
| 01:26.51 | karsten | moparisthebest: ... in the last place you look. |
| 01:27.06 | karsten | moparisthebest: Check /var/log/dmesg, /proc/meminfo, 'free'. |
| 01:27.08 | saint-takeshi | so should i remove the debian package ones? |
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| 01:27.15 | setog3 | oh yeah 91 !! |
| 01:27.44 | moparisthebest | I would feel alot safer probing around if the server wasnt in 1000 miles away :/ |
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| 01:27.53 | earthian | holly f***ing sh***t!!!!!! rofl!!! i just recovered my 500 gig partition!! unbelievable... fsck did not find erors fs? |
| 01:27.54 | saint-takeshi | vook : i just installed every package with "fglrx" in the name, should i remove them all? |
| 01:27.57 | earthian | hehe |
| 01:28.05 | earthian | ptedit++ |
| 01:28.22 | Guerin | earthian: 500G?!?111/ |
| 01:28.30 | karsten | !win earthian |
| 01:28.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, earthian! You have won the US presidency! |
| 01:28.33 | selim | I've upgraded my system from sarge to etch but after the upgrade my system does not start networking correctly eventhough my ifup -a does work exactly as it should |
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| 01:28.48 | karsten | earthian: ... and we're going to insist you take it. |
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| 01:29.54 | jmazaredo | initramfs console why i get this |
| 01:29.59 | vook | saint-takeshi: I dunno, but if memory serves, you aren't going to get proprietary ati linux X drivers from the debian repositories, you'll get X drivers that 'work' with ATI chipsets. |
| 01:30.47 | saint-takeshi | no, there's stuff in non-free or contrib that works better than my attempt at using the prop ones off the site |
| 01:31.07 | vook | oh, ok, yeah, in non-free |
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| 01:31.37 | jcapone | so is there some way in gnome to access samba share from k3b or gnomebaker? I could use fstab but I have no really easy way of mounting that share with gnome cause I cant seem to get usermounts on smbfs in fstab |
| 01:31.38 | saint-takeshi | i don't care what i use as long as i can play my games, and eventually get compiz or beryl to work |
| 01:32.36 | saint-takeshi | jcapone: trying to burn stuff from a windows box on your network? |
| 01:32.50 | selim | anyone some idea why it stopped working after the upgrade? |
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| 01:33.13 | jcapone | saint-takeshi: exactly. I put the burner in his linux box.. he got synergy setup I am trying to make it easy for hime to access it graphically |
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| 01:33.43 | jcapone | saint-takeshi: you can do mount in nautilus network brower, but it doesnt show up anywhere but in nautilus on the desktop the userland apps dont seem aware of the "mount" |
| 01:34.03 | jcapone | I think it might be suppose to work that way maybe I am missing a package for that |
| 01:34.21 | earthian | heh... fdisk and many other partitioning soft refuses to work with the partition table that is a mess... but damn them! i can now move my files for the time being somewhere else. |
| 01:34.32 | saint-takeshi | jcapone: i've noticed that, trying to transcode rm format video to avi over the network, eventually just gave up |
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| 01:35.21 | moparisthebest | anyone know how to check the options the kernel was compiled with? |
| 01:35.33 | jcapone | saint-takeshi: I thought maybe I was doing something wrong or missing some kind of messaging program that notifies userland programs of this fony "mount" nautilus does |
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| 01:35.39 | karsten | moparisthebest: /boot/ |
| 01:35.41 | vook | apt-cache search samba browser |
| 01:36.10 | karsten | moparisthebest: Specifically: /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
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| 01:36.20 | moparisthebest | thanks again karsten |
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| 01:38.06 | saint-takeshi | jcapone: isn't there a plugin for nautilus to burn CDs? |
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| 01:38.38 | jcapone | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.40 | jcapone | saint-takeshi: you got more questions than me.. and I am the one with the problem :P |
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| 01:40.32 | karsten | earthian: So how'd you fix it? |
| 01:40.37 | saint-takeshi | jcapone: yeah, basically, my answer is "i had the same problem, but i couldn't fix it" |
| 01:40.41 | Azar | yeee!!! linux motherboard! First desktop motherboard supported by LinuxBIOS: GIGABYTE M57SLI-S4 |
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| 01:41.04 | Azar | I want a Debian motherboard! |
| 01:41.04 | jcapone | saint-takeshi: heh |
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| 01:41.10 | Azar | :) |
| 01:41.12 | earthian | karsten: i was playing a little with numbers in partition editor program that makes raw editing of partitions |
| 01:41.19 | earthian | it supports extended ones |
| 01:41.35 | earthian | now the ending is outside the disk a little... have to fix asap |
| 01:41.42 | jcapone | well I am gonna work on seeing why I cant use fstab |
| 01:41.59 | michaele | I am having some very specific problems with associating a ttySx node with a PCI Serial Device |
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| 01:43.30 | michaele | after issuing 'setserial /dev/ttSx' to confirm that the node is created correctly, i get a '/dev/ttyS0: No such device or address' |
| 01:44.30 | earthian | hey, what driver do i need for nvidia geforce 400 mx ? |
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| 01:45.23 | Azar | earthian: what Debian version, what kernel version you got? |
| 01:45.28 | saint-takeshi | erthian: nv or the ones from nvidia.com |
| 01:45.34 | Azar | no!!! |
| 01:45.47 | Azar | do not get from nvidia.com |
| 01:45.52 | earthian | Azar: etch and 2.6.18-4-k7 (the one from today's upgrade) |
| 01:46.01 | Azar | saint-takeshi: this is Debian, and has nothing to do with the nvidia-site driver |
| 01:46.12 | Azar | !etch nvidia |
| 01:46.20 | Azar | !nvidia etch |
| 01:46.45 | saint-takeshi | Azar: sorry, my bad. |
| 01:46.57 | Azar | dpkg lost the nvidia for etch |
| 01:47.02 | Azar | ok |
| 01:47.12 | Azar | earthian try the nvidia one-liner |
| 01:47.14 | earthian | !nvidia |
| 01:47.14 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 01:47.23 | Azar | !nvidia one-liner |
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| 01:47.23 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 01:47.53 | saint-takeshi | is there an ATI one-liner? |
| 01:47.53 | Azar | earthian: this one-liner works in Sarge dunno if works in Etch but try it |
| 01:48.04 | Azar | saint-takeshi: dunno, /msg dpkg ati |
| 01:48.16 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 01:48.17 | earthian | will try |
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| 01:50.12 | Azar | earthian: you need to look at your /etc/apt/sources.list and add .... contrib non-free at the end of each source (minus the security line), save, aptitude update, aptitude upgrade >>> then use the nvidia one-liner |
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| 01:51.28 | saint-takeshi | am i a debian nazi for despising rpm-based distros? |
| 01:51.46 | Azar | saint-takeshi: no, is just a matter of personal preference |
| 01:51.52 | jmalicki_ | saint-takeshi: what do you despise about rpm vs. deb? |
| 01:51.54 | moparisthebest | probably saint-takeshi, but there is nothing wrong with that :) |
| 01:52.12 | moparisthebest | besides, the package alien works pretty good at converting rpms to deb |
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| 01:52.50 | Azar | one can be a Debian hard liner when is reluctant to use proprietary software.. |
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| 01:53.55 | saint-takeshi | jmalicki: i've used fc6, mandrake (just before the name change) and i think i used redhat 4 or 5...and it was just a damned uncomfortable experience. mandrake was too similar to window$ for me and fedora just didn't seem to work at all |
| 01:53.55 | jmalicki_ | azar: proprietary isn't that hardline, when one won't use non-free software, that's hardcore |
| 01:54.03 | Azar | I can't wait to buy my first desktop with a linuxBios motherboard! |
| 01:54.08 | jmalicki_ | saint-takeshi: what does that have to do with rpm? |
| 01:54.19 | niken | hi guys, which package would provide remote monitoring of a debian system? |
| 01:54.26 | Azar | jmalicki_: right my wording was bad |
| 01:54.26 | jmalicki_ | niken: nagios? |
| 01:54.52 | niken | jmalicki_: thks, will check it up. |
| 01:54.57 | jmalicki_ | azar: its the "oh, its free for noncommercial users only? you're part of the problem!" ;) |
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| 01:55.16 | parsonsd | neat. i do the apt-get just like the nvidia instructions say, and i get "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-686" |
| 01:55.22 | Azar | look what a beauty: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/2/21/490 |
| 01:55.38 | Azar | parsonsd: use the nvidia one-liner |
| 01:55.40 | parsonsd | using module-assistant, i get "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-common" |
| 01:55.47 | parsonsd | hokay |
| 01:55.56 | Azar | parsonsd: the nvidia driver from nvidia site is NOT GOOD for Debian |
| 01:56.17 | Azar | parsonsd: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 01:56.43 | saint-takeshi | jmlacki: they're all rpm based, and all uncomfortable. equally suse, i don't even know what i disliked about suse, i just didn't enjoy doing geeky stuff on something so damned simple |
| 01:56.52 | Azar | parsonsd: what linux kernel are you using? |
| 01:57.11 | jmalicki_ | saint-takeshi: but what does the user interface have to do with the package manager? |
| 01:57.37 | theblue | Well, pisscake. |
| 01:57.50 | SportChick | hey theblue |
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| 01:58.25 | bzed | saint-takeshi: you disliked yast which tries to know anything better than you |
| 01:58.26 | theblue | Um, ok. |
| 01:58.34 | saint-takeshi | jmalicki_: it's just the common denominator. and it wasn't just the UI, it was the..."feel" of the distro |
| 01:58.35 | parsonsd | heh -- E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-source ... lovely ;) |
| 01:58.52 | parsonsd | etch : Linux mugwump 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 01:58.53 | saint-takeshi | distros* |
| 01:58.55 | Azar | parsonsd: what kernel? what debian version? |
| 01:59.04 | Azar | ah etch? |
| 01:59.24 | parsonsd | yeh, etch, with xorg. (sorry about the system name there... :P ) |
| 01:59.28 | bzed | parsonsd: do you have contrib and non-free in your sources.list? |
| 01:59.29 | Azar | parsonsd: did you downloaded the nvidia driver from the nvidia site? |
| 02:00.12 | parsonsd | bzed - yeh, i put in one for .debian-multimedia.org to get abcde... |
| 02:00.19 | bzed | parsonsd: should look like this: main contrib non-free in each line |
| 02:00.20 | niken | jmalicki_: nagios looks promising. do you know if it works with vnc? web info on this is quite vague. |
| 02:00.40 | parsonsd | azar : yeh, that's how i've been keeping up with the various changes in glibc or whatever affects xorg |
| 02:00.48 | bzed | parsonsd: not only the debian-multimedia |
| 02:00.51 | saint-takeshi | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/misc/fglrx.ko |
| 02:00.51 | saint-takeshi | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 02:00.54 | bzed | niken: why vnc? |
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| 02:01.04 | jmalicki_ | niken: i've only ever seen it used via web and email, not as a gui |
| 02:01.07 | bzed | niken: you don't need vnc to monitor a system |
| 02:01.08 | saint-takeshi | how do i fix that? do it from outside X? |
| 02:01.09 | jmalicki_ | niken: so im not sure |
| 02:01.18 | xerophyte_ | how can i find out which package /usr/bin/mail file belongs .. with redhat i search rpm -qf /usr/bin/mail how can i find out in debian ? |
| 02:01.25 | parsonsd | bzed : goodness! what is in contrib or nonfree? (nvidia, huh?) |
| 02:01.41 | bzed | parsonsd: nvidia, and it's non-free |
| 02:01.58 | niken | bzed: i am already using vnc to run a system remotely, adding in nagios would be better. |
| 02:02.01 | Azar | parsonsd: that driver you installed is a poison you need remove it first |
| 02:02.02 | parsonsd | bzed : so not just deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main, but deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 02:02.10 | bzed | parsonsd: yes |
| 02:02.14 | Azar | !nvidia-installer |
| 02:02.14 | dpkg | nvidia-installer is, like, a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 02:02.24 | bzed | parsonsd: now apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 02:02.35 | bzed | !tell parsonsd about nvidia oneliner |
| 02:02.44 | bzed | parsonsd: and then jsut do what dpkg told you |
| 02:02.46 | Azar | bzed: did that |
| 02:02.53 | karsten | xerophyte_: dpkg -S <filename> If it's a symlink, 'chase <symlink> to find source (through /etc/alternatives usually and look that up. Install chase as needed. |
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| 02:03.15 | parsonsd | bzed - unless i missed something, i did that until it choked on finding nvidia-kernel-src |
| 02:03.17 | Azar | bzed: he infected his system with the nvidia installer that why is not working with the nvidia oneliner |
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| 02:03.28 | xerophyte_ | karsten, thx |
| 02:03.35 | bzed | Azar: nah, that's can't be the raeson |
| 02:03.35 | Azar | hell mister abrotman |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | hi |
| 02:03.44 | bzed | parsonsd: did you apt-get update? |
| 02:03.51 | Azar | bzed: well he tried all funky stuff with it |
| 02:05.26 | Azar | he needs to REMOVE the Nvidia Installer |
| 02:05.26 | bzed | Azar: at least apt should be able to get and install the packages |
| 02:05.27 | Azar | bzed: a cleanup must be done |
| 02:05.27 | bzed | Azar: I think there's not really a way to remove it :\ |
| 02:05.27 | Azar | bzed: yes it is and it is highly recommended |
| 02:05.27 | parsonsd | nvidia-installer is just a cranky, little sh script |
| 02:05.27 | parsonsd | it IS cranky |
| 02:05.27 | bzed | parsonsd: does it have an uninstall function? |
| 02:05.27 | Azar | uninstall? rm |
| 02:05.33 | bzed | Azar: rm what? |
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| 02:05.58 | smo | hi all |
| 02:06.09 | Azar | parsonsd: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 02:06.15 | smo | anyone know a channel for debian-live support? |
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| 02:06.42 | abrotman | #debian-live on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:06.45 | Azar | Make sure to remove all the garbage created by the nvidia installer, since it places files in different locations, and may cause problems |
| 02:07.07 | parsonsd | bzed - no, not really. maybe azar has somethign with `rm` |
| 02:07.14 | bzed | parsonsd: I'd not do this before you ahve the new kernel modules ready |
| 02:07.21 | bzed | parsonsd: or are you on a different system now? |
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| 02:07.32 | parsonsd | bzed - tru |
| 02:07.42 | Azar | parsonsd: from the link: Something like: nvidia-installer --uninstall should do |
| 02:07.51 | bzed | parsonsd: well then, did you apt-get update ? |
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| 02:08.19 | seshomaru123 | hi - anyone has any experience with enabling active x on ie4linux? what i want to know is :is it possible? |
| 02:08.22 | parsonsd | bzed - no, i'm not. i started in on it cos someone else mentioned it. not like i've not seen the conversation a hundred times, just that i chose now to try it. |
| 02:08.39 | Azar | parsonsd: using "aptitude update" "aptitude upgrade" will remove leftovers |
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| 02:08.43 | parsonsd | bzed - no, it choked on me again -- similar output, but also a little more |
| 02:08.48 | bzed | parsonsd: the update? |
| 02:08.51 | Azar | bzed: apt-get will not remove junk |
| 02:09.06 | parsonsd | bzed - i think maybe i added too many changes to sources.list |
| 02:09.17 | bzed | Azar: but removing junk before having a replacement ready makes no sense |
| 02:09.29 | bzed | parsonsd: poste oyur sources.list into a pastebin |
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| 02:09.34 | parsonsd | bzed - for instanace: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/contrib |
| 02:09.38 | Azar | bzed: really? ok master |
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| 02:09.52 | bzed | Azar: do you know if the uninstall tries to restart x? |
| 02:10.33 | Azar | bzed: I havent tried that stuff since woody, so things might have changed: research the nvidia site maybe there is some documentation, or the README file installed with the installer |
| 02:10.39 | bzed | Azar: or what'll happen if the next program is missing anything? |
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| 02:10.51 | stoned | Azar: whats up |
| 02:10.59 | bzed | parsonsd: give me a second, I'll give you a good sources.list |
| 02:11.06 | Azar | bzed: aptitude uninstalls and installs whatever.... aptitude will not remove stuff "just because" |
| 02:11.12 | Azar | stoned! :) |
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| 02:11.18 | stoned | whats goin on |
| 02:11.32 | bzed | Azar: we're not removing junk with aptitude |
| 02:11.36 | Azar | stoned: with me? work, lots of work |
| 02:11.45 | smo | how can i recreate the .img file for usb generated by make-live script without using it??? ( i changed things in the squashfs file..) |
| 02:11.50 | bzed | Azar: but by using some fucked nvidia scripts :\ |
| 02:11.57 | Azar | bzed: ok I can't participate in this any longer, you take the stuff in your hands |
| 02:11.57 | bzed | parsonsd: http://pastebin.ca/375199 |
| 02:12.06 | subopt | I'm trying to build/install the Matrox driver i need, but it needed pkg-config. I installed that, but now pkg-config doesn't know what XORG_CFLAGS and XORG_LIBS should be. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:13.05 | Azar | stoned: well the newest thing is that I finally got my new prescription glasses :) |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | probably install x-dev |
| 02:13.06 | parsonsd | bzed - http://channels.debian.net/paste/5525 |
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| 02:13.20 | Azar | stoned: and from the news front: new linuxBios mobo!! |
| 02:13.22 | selim | does someone know where I can find some information about the networking interface startup problem? |
| 02:13.26 | gravity | Please don't install x-dev. Ever. |
| 02:13.35 | bzed | parsonsd: did you see the link I linked you to? that's mine which will work just fine |
| 02:13.40 | Azar | stoned: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/2/21/490 |
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| 02:13.57 | gravity | subopt: You want xutils-dev and xserver-xorg-dev |
| 02:14.08 | parsonsd | bzed - just opened it |
| 02:14.10 | gravity | subopt: You may need a few other things too |
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| 02:14.30 | subopt | gravity: thanks. |
| 02:14.33 | Azar | stoned: I did not see you on the list |
| 02:14.41 | bzed | Azar: as soon as I have the money I'll get that board, my actual one is buggy anyway |
| 02:14.58 | Azar | bzed: oh man, my heart is sold out to that mobo |
| 02:15.23 | Caelum | how do you stop a module from loading? I put a file into /etc/modprobe.d/ with the line blacklist snd-intel8x0 but it's still loading |
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| 02:15.46 | Azar | Caelum: #comment it in the module list |
| 02:16.06 | Azar | Caelum: in the /etc/modules I think |
| 02:16.26 | Caelum | /etc/modules is just the ones force inserted at boot time |
| 02:16.31 | Daejeo1 | how can i shutdown the dedian box from command |
| 02:16.40 | bzed | Caelum: it could be that some alsa stuff tries to load the module, too |
| 02:16.43 | Caelum | Daejeo1: sudo shutdown -h now |
| 02:16.44 | subopt | gravity: Okay, that stuff's in. Now, how do i tell pkg-config to re-config itself? |
| 02:16.50 | h3xis | Daejeo1, halt |
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| 02:16.57 | bzed | Daejeo1: shutdown -h now |
| 02:17.04 | gravity | subopt: Um... I don't understand. |
| 02:17.05 | saint-takeshi | right, i know i'm close, but the vendor string's still coming up as "SGI" which (i think) is because it's loading some kind of other module i don't want it 5to, which is stopping me loading fglrx |
| 02:17.09 | gravity | subopt: autoreconf? |
| 02:17.10 | bzed | Daejeo1: halt will work on linux, too, just never do it on a unix machine |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | gravity: i thought that was the metapackage for etch |
| 02:17.30 | h3xis | bzed, what happens on a unix machine? |
| 02:17.30 | subopt | gravity: maybe. I'll check. |
| 02:17.35 | Azar | stoned.. ? |
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| 02:17.41 | bzed | h3xis: it just does what it says - halt |
| 02:17.47 | saint-takeshi | i tried adding fglrx to /etc/modules, but it did nothing |
| 02:17.57 | h3xis | bzed, as in? shuts down? freezes? |
| 02:17.58 | gravity | abrotman: Nope. |
| 02:18.04 | bzed | h3xis: no shutdown, nothing. it's halted. frozen. dead. |
| 02:18.15 | h3xis | bzed, wow, why is that a command? |
| 02:18.31 | gravity | abrotman: There is one, xorg-dev or something, but that may not even work for him. It's geared towards building apps. |
| 02:18.32 | bzed | h3xis: it's jsut used by the script which will shotdown the machine |
| 02:18.33 | saint-takeshi | h3xis: for emergencies |
| 02:18.44 | h3xis | ah okay |
| 02:18.44 | abrotman | gravity: kind of seems what it's looking for |
| 02:18.45 | saint-takeshi | lol |
| 02:18.59 | bzed | h3xis: there's also poweroff, which will exactly do what it says, too ;) |
| 02:19.01 | gravity | abrotman: He's building a driver though? |
| 02:19.15 | Azar | bzed: this is for you: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/462 |
| 02:19.28 | abrotman | gravity: sure .. but where is XORG_LIBS defined from pkg-config ? |
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| 02:19.54 | parsonsd | bzed : i'm getting a similar error with your sources " Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.de.debian.org testing/non-free Packages"... it goes on... i'm not gonna try to track it down now. i'll have to do it later. |
| 02:19.56 | gravity | abrotman: The macros in xutils-dev |
| 02:20.10 | abrotman | but x-dev doesn't pull that ? |
| 02:20.18 | abrotman | or it's just going away ? |
| 02:20.20 | gravity | abrotman: x-dev is a dead package, iirc |
| 02:20.28 | bzed | parsonsd: poste the exact output please? are you sure, that your sources.list is an exact copy |
| 02:20.32 | saint-takeshi | so how do i remove the SGI module and replace it with fglrx? |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | !info x-dev etch |
| 02:20.42 | bzed | Azar: I know that, but it's a bit overkill to remove the nvidia driver, don't you think so? |
| 02:20.49 | gravity | It exists, but we're not using it. |
| 02:20.52 | parsonsd | bzed : wierd tho. i think my errors meant that it wasn't gonna give me anything non-free... but i'll post both... |
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| 02:20.54 | dpkg | x-dev: (dummy package for transition purposes), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 7.0.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 3 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 02:20.58 | abrotman | gravity: it's a dummy package ... |
| 02:21.00 | gravity | Yeah |
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| 02:21.10 | abrotman | which .. is why i reocmmended it .. i'm a dummy :) |
| 02:21.22 | Azar | bzed: back in the days when I goofed by installing it, that was the way: remove the nvidia driver, clean up then do the Debian one-liner |
| 02:21.30 | gravity | abrotman: Why not recommend the actual package he needs then? |
| 02:21.36 | Azar | bzed: what sense would make to keep a junk like that in the system? |
| 02:21.36 | selim | bzed: do you have some idea why my eth0 interface does not start at machine startup after upgradeing to etch? |
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| 02:22.06 | abrotman | gravity: i didn't realize x-dev was deprecated |
| 02:22.12 | Azar | selim: did you prepare for the upgrade to etch before? or just used dist-upgrade and expect everything work ok? |
| 02:22.15 | parsonsd | bzed : http://channels.debian.net/paste/5526. |
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| 02:22.40 | bzed | Azar: that cleanup you've linked to will not remove stuff which is not in debian packages btw, it jsut removes non-needed packages |
| 02:22.52 | parsonsd | bzed - top part is a cat of sources.list and the 2nd part is the last bit of the output from the one-liber |
| 02:23.02 | parsonsd | s/ber/ner |
| 02:23.04 | gravity | abrotman: :-) |
| 02:23.13 | bzed | parsonsd: apt-get update - NOT upgrade |
| 02:23.16 | abrotman | gravity: x-dev only pulls x11proto-core-dev .. whatever that is |
| 02:23.22 | Azar | bzed: and aptitude would know that nvidia installer is not needed |
| 02:23.35 | selim | Azar: no I've tested the upgrade on the same machine and it worked before but this time I had a problem with bringing the eth0 interface up again |
| 02:23.38 | bzed | Azar: nvidia isntaller is not a debian package, it's a dumb shell script |
| 02:23.39 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, x-dev isn't the package you thought it was. tbh, I don't remember what it was to begin with. It's pretty much replaced by the protocol headers |
| 02:23.49 | Azar | selim: this is how you prepare for Etch upgrade: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:24.05 | parsonsd | bzed - oh damn. |
| 02:24.06 | abrotman | gravity: i thought it was basically the x headers you'd need for building X related items |
| 02:24.17 | gravity | abrotman: Nope. Those are mostly in the -dev packages |
| 02:24.22 | bzed | Azar: it's a shar as far as I remember, which will extract some dumb installer and start it with the params you've specified |
| 02:24.30 | abrotman | gravity: so xorg-dev would pull what he needs ? |
| 02:24.40 | parsonsd | bzed - thnks :S |
| 02:24.49 | gravity | abrotman: I don't know. |
| 02:24.50 | bzed | parsonsd: np :) |
| 02:24.55 | bzed | parsonsd: now do this: update-pciids; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare |
| 02:25.02 | gravity | abrotman: Like I said, that's geared towards building apps, not drivers. |
| 02:25.08 | Azar | parsonsd: ever tried to read the README file that the nvidia installer came with? |
| 02:25.18 | abrotman | !depends xorg-dev etch |
| 02:25.21 | bzed | parsonsd: not more, the rest of the oneliner is soemthign you need to do after runnign that nvidia-installer with --uninstall |
| 02:25.27 | dpkg | xorg-dev: depends on libdmx-dev, libfontenc-dev, libfs-dev, libice-dev, libsm-dev, libx11-dev, libxau-dev, libxaw7-dev, libxcomposite-dev, libxcursor-dev, libxdamage-dev, libxdmcp-dev, libxevie-dev, libxext-dev, libxfixes-dev, libxfont-dev, libxft-dev, libxi-dev, libxinerama-dev, libxkbfile-dev, libxkbui-dev, libxmu-dev, libxmuu-dev, libxpm-dev, libxrandr-dev, libxrender-dev, libxres-dev, libxss-dev, libxt-dev, libxtrap-dev, libxtst-dev, libxv-dev, ... |
| 02:25.29 | parsonsd | azar - it's monsterous |
| 02:25.38 | Azar | parsonsd: why? |
| 02:25.57 | abrotman | holy jeez |
| 02:25.58 | bzed | parsonsd: you should write the one-liner down, in case the --uninstall kills your x |
| 02:25.59 | gravity | abrotman: Because it pulls in a zillion dependencies, I don't generally think it's a good package to install anyway. I added it grudgingly. |
| 02:26.00 | Azar | is monstruous to read something that shows you how to run, install/uninstall stuff? |
| 02:26.11 | abrotman | gravity: i blame azar |
| 02:26.13 | gravity | abrotman: It's a bug if a package build-depends on it for instance |
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| 02:26.18 | parsonsd | azar - i did. i told the local admin where i used to work how to make it happen.... |
| 02:26.21 | Azar | parsonsd: I suggest you REMOVE the nvidia installer first |
| 02:26.44 | abrotman | gravity: seems xorg-dev is the kitchen sink .. if all else fails |
| 02:26.46 | bzed | Azar: let them first build the new module |
| 02:27.00 | bzed | Azar: you can;t remove the old stuff while X is runnign anyway |
| 02:27.03 | parsonsd | bzed - written down -- /tmp/nvidia-oneliner !! |
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| 02:27.07 | gravity | abrotman: It's meant for building apps. They tend to need lots of the libs. Building drivers doesn't need as much. |
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| 02:27.18 | Azar | parsonsd: if you do not remove the nvidia installer you risk to have a faulty installation with the Debian nvidia , then you will have to remove both |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | see .. this is why we keep letting gravity come around .. he knows stuff! |
| 02:27.29 | Azar | bzed: golly holly! |
| 02:27.32 | parsonsd | azar - point taken |
| 02:27.35 | Azar | go in command line |
| 02:27.42 | gravity | The drivers need xserver-xorg-dev and some x11proto* packages. |
| 02:27.45 | bzed | parsonsd: fine. then you can do everything until m-a prepare, then doi the --uninstall stuff of the installer, and then the rest of the oneliner |
| 02:27.52 | Azar | read the README file, remove the stuff then do the nvidia one liner at command line |
| 02:28.02 | stoned | Azar: a good movie title would be " Go in the line of command " |
| 02:28.04 | abrotman | gravity: so while xorg-dev works .. it's overkill .. |
| 02:28.05 | gravity | Much slimmer. If you need to re-run the autotools, you need xutils-dev. |
| 02:28.06 | stoned | or something |
| 02:28.12 | Azar | stoned: yep hahahaha |
| 02:28.29 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, it looks like it will. |
| 02:28.35 | Azar | parsonsd: never avoid the command line, it is nothing so horrendous on using it |
| 02:28.58 | bzed | parsonsd: you'll probably have to do a 'rmmod nvidia' after the uninstall. you'll have to stop X for that, though |
| 02:29.12 | Azar | parsonsd: there is life without X: links for browser (text only) irssi for irc , ... |
| 02:29.24 | gravity | Even better is to pull the debian packaging and merge it in to a local branch of upstream's driver that you want. Then you get the packaging for free. |
| 02:29.39 | gravity | That should be pretty easy now |
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| 02:30.38 | Azar | parsonsd: and you have up to six different terminals on command line, in one you can run irssi client, on another you can run the "links" browser on another one perform admin command line tasks... |
| 02:30.47 | Azar | with the Fn keys |
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| 02:31.02 | abrotman | gravity: but you need to know git ? |
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| 02:31.10 | bzed | Azar: man screen ;) |
| 02:31.23 | saint-takeshi | where is the kernal config file? |
| 02:31.34 | bzed | saint-takeshi: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | /boot/ |
| 02:31.37 | Azar | bzed: people need to know a bit of basic to survive on command line.... |
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| 02:32.35 | saint-takeshi | bzed: tried that, go "permission denied" |
| 02:33.40 | parsonsd | azar - never been afraid of the command line -- except for the school's sites which need flash (bleh) |
| 02:33.49 | bzed | saint-takeshi: well, that'll give you the file, you don't want to execute it, eh? ;) |
| 02:34.19 | saint-takeshi | oh, my bad |
| 02:35.04 | saint-takeshi | crap, all the CONFIG_DRM strings are set to "m" ...what's that? manual? |
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| 02:35.29 | Guerin | saint-takeshi: module. Why are you trying to build a kernel without knowing this? |
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| 02:36.26 | saint-takeshi | i'm not, i'm trying to edit it, so it'll load fglrx instead of whatever it's loading now |
| 02:36.49 | Guerin | wtf |
| 02:36.52 | selim | Azar: I've checked the prepare documentation but there is nothing which I have not done before upgradeing |
| 02:36.57 | Guerin | saint-takeshi: you don't edit a kernel config |
| 02:37.06 | Guerin | especially not to configure a kernel |
| 02:37.10 | bzed | saint-takeshi: you don;t do that in the kernel config, you'll have to look into /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 02:37.51 | saint-takeshi | ah, okay...i did ask, but nobody responded |
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| 02:38.11 | saint-takeshi | so i edit /etc/modprobe.d? |
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| 02:38.45 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: I did tell you that compiling a custom kernel has nothing to do with getting fglrx working, and nothing to do with cleaning out your cluttered installation, and that you don't need to do it |
| 02:39.18 | Azar | selim: what make is your mac ? |
| 02:39.31 | Azar | mster Guerin, hello |
| 02:40.00 | saint-takeshi | i need to load the fglrx kernel module, which won't load because something else is loaded instead |
| 02:40.09 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, that's why it's mainly an ideal. But it's at least possible now |
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| 02:40.45 | abrotman | gravity: so if i wanted to build just the i810 driver for 7.2 i could do it now ? |
| 02:40.51 | selim | Azar: make? mac? |
| 02:41.02 | gravity | abrotman: Sure |
| 02:41.12 | bzed | saint-takeshi: what's the name of the module that is loaded instead? |
| 02:41.19 | selim | Azar: sorry don't know what you mean |
| 02:41.33 | Azar | selim: let's take it slowly: you upgraded to Etch from? SArge? what kernel did you used with Sarge before upgrade? what kernel do you have now? |
| 02:41.57 | Azar | selim: and finally what ethernet card are you using? |
| 02:41.59 | selim | Azar: kernel 2.6.8 and yes I upgraded from sarge |
| 02:42.10 | saint-takeshi | i'm not sure, what would i do to check that? i THINK it's "radeon" or "SGI" |
| 02:42.22 | Azar | selim: with Etch you could/should upgrade the kernel to at least 2.6.17 |
| 02:42.36 | selim | Azar: it's vmware virtual machine so I think it's a amd module needed, but it's working when I do a ifup eth0 manually |
| 02:42.44 | selim | Azar: so it's no driver problem |
| 02:42.58 | Wyzard | selim: pcnet32 is the driver to use with VMware |
| 02:43.09 | Azar | selim: can you perform "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" successfully with it? |
| 02:43.37 | selim | Azar: yes |
| 02:43.39 | Wyzard | selim: (though after you install VMware Tools, you'll want to blacklist pcnet32 and regenerate your initrd so that vmxnet gets used instead) |
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| 02:44.08 | Azar | selim: what Wyzard say because personally I don't know about VMware |
| 02:44.12 | pythonic | how do i get krb5kdc to listen on localhost? |
| 02:44.36 | selim | Wyzard: that's another problem I have I can't run vmware tools cause I have no fitting sources for the now running 2.6.18-3-686 kernel |
| 02:45.20 | Wyzard | selim: Install linux-headers-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 02:45.55 | selim | Wyzard: I've already done that but vmware-config.pl keeps telling me there are no versions.h in the specific include dir |
| 02:45.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: etch has -4- now |
| 02:46.02 | Wyzard | selim: Better yet, install linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-headers-2.6-686 -- those will automatically pull in the latest kernel, as new versions are released |
| 02:46.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: I know, but he's running -3 now |
| 02:46.21 | Caelum | anyone know how to stop a module from being loaded by modprobe? I've checked all the init scripts, put a blacklist <module> line into a file in /etc/modprobe.d, but it still gets loaded |
| 02:46.32 | abrotman | Wyzard: going to be hard to get though .. |
| 02:46.49 | selim | Wyzard: Ok, I'll try that |
| 02:47.00 | Wyzard | then he'll need to upgrade to -4... which linux-image-2.6-686 will accomplish :-) |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:47.12 | stew | Caelum: which module? if it is loaded by the initrd, youd have to update-initramfs -u |
| 02:47.21 | Caelum | stew: snd-intel8x0 |
| 02:47.29 | Caelum | I don't think it's in initrd... |
| 02:47.50 | stew | Caelum: is it in /etc/modules? |
| 02:47.54 | Caelum | nope |
| 02:48.01 | Wyzard | Caelum: You'd be surprised at things that get loaded by the initrd... it's best to regenerate the initramfs anytime you blacklist something |
| 02:48.11 | stoned | in the debian/rules files, if I need to tell it to go into a subdir and do some making, how would I specify that, I can't figure out how to tell it to go into a subdir |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | in the rules file ? |
| 02:48.36 | stoned | yes |
| 02:48.59 | Caelum | stoned: (cd dir; $MAKE) ? |
| 02:49.09 | stoned | oh you can do that |
| 02:49.15 | stoned | hmm ok then |
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| 02:50.19 | saint-takeshi | saint-box:/etc/modprobe.d# modprobe -v fglrx |
| 02:50.19 | saint-takeshi | insmod /lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/misc/fglrx.ko |
| 02:50.20 | saint-takeshi | FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.18-3-k7/misc/fglrx.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 02:50.20 | saint-takeshi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:50.33 | saint-takeshi | sorry |
| 02:50.41 | Caelum | saint-takeshi: you have to be root |
| 02:50.53 | Caelum | oh, you are... |
| 02:50.55 | saint-takeshi | i *am* root |
| 02:50.56 | selim | Wyzard: aptitude can't find any package which name is linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:51.10 | Zesturian | is it possible for patch to retain the original files permissions? |
| 02:52.17 | Caelum | I don't think so |
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| 02:52.28 | saint-takeshi | i'm convinced there's a module loading instaed of fglrx, but i don't know how to make it go away |
| 02:52.57 | Wyzard | selim: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:53.09 | saint-takeshi | i'm fairly sure it's radeon and/or DRM_RADEON, but i don't fully understand what i'm doing |
| 02:54.25 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: lsmod | grep radeon |
| 02:54.43 | selim | Wyzard: sorry, I'm fairly new in apt but all I get is a list is there some way to install the newest package without nameing it directly? |
| 02:54.51 | saint-takeshi | radeon 100000 0 |
| 02:54.51 | saint-takeshi | drm 61844 1 radeon |
| 02:55.08 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: then yes, radeon is loaded, though I don't know whether it'd conflict with fglrx |
| 02:55.30 | Wyzard | selim: Better yet, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 | grep 686 |
| 02:55.48 | saint-takeshi | how do i un-load it? couldn't do any harm, surely |
| 02:56.02 | Wyzard | selim: If you're running testing or unstable (since you said you upgraded from sarge) on x86 (which you must be since you're running a -686 kernel now), it should exist |
| 02:56.06 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: rmmod |
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| 02:56.44 | selim | Wyzard: it is existing and I'm installing -4-686 right now |
| 02:56.45 | stoned | Caelum: getting errors if i try to specify it on one line |
| 02:57.01 | stoned | debian/rules:43: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop. |
| 02:57.09 | Wyzard | selim: I don't mean 2.6.18-4-686, I mean 2.6-686 |
| 02:57.16 | stoned | (cd blah; $MAKE) |
| 02:57.24 | Wyzard | selim: You do want the former, but the latter depends on it and you want that too |
| 02:57.47 | stoned | how would I properly specify in the debian/rules file to to into subdir and run commands |
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| 02:58.09 | Caelum | stoned: your indentation in the makefile might be wrong |
| 02:58.11 | stoned | s/to/go |
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| 02:58.41 | stoned | Caelum: i see |
| 02:58.43 | stoned | hold on |
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| 02:58.46 | saint-takeshi | rrmod radeon && rmmod drm && moprobe -v fglrx |
| 02:58.48 | stoned | it doesn't like spaces duh |
| 02:58.49 | saint-takeshi | worked |
| 02:58.52 | zpertee | Need help setting up ssh keys. I've ready many, many "how-tos" and I'm not getting anywhere. |
| 03:00.10 | saint-takeshi | how do i make it load fglrx |
| 03:01.28 | selim | Wyzard: Ok, installed now |
| 03:02.28 | Wyzard | selim: You'll need to reboot so you're actually running that -4 kernel you installed |
| 03:02.44 | Wyzard | selim: Did you install linux-headers-2.6-686 (and therefore, by dependency, linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686) too? |
| 03:03.05 | selim | Wyzard: yes |
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| 03:03.33 | Wyzard | selim: then after you reboot, vmware-config should work |
| 03:03.55 | Wyzard | selim: It'll automatically find the headers in /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686/build, which is a symlink created by the headers package |
| 03:04.24 | saint-takeshi | i mean how do i make it load fglrx at boot? |
| 03:04.45 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: Put it in /etc/modules |
| 03:05.13 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: It'd also be a good idea to run "depmod -ae" and "update-initramfs -u", though that may not actually be necessary |
| 03:05.38 | crn | is there a net install for etch? |
| 03:05.42 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: Now that fglrx is installed it'll probably take precedence at boot time so radeon won't get loaded, but I don't use ATI stuff myself so I'm not sure of that |
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| 03:06.28 | saint-takeshi | okay, so should i restart X and see if direct rendering works? |
| 03:06.47 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: Well, you need to configure X to actually use the fglrx driver |
| 03:06.59 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: The kernel module doesn't do anything by itself |
| 03:07.20 | abrotman | !d-i crn |
| 03:07.20 | dpkg | crn, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:07.29 | saint-takeshi | so i just need to add fglrx to section "modules" |
| 03:08.00 | saint-takeshi | in xorg.conf |
| 03:08.05 | Wyzard | no, it's the Driver line in the Device section |
| 03:08.16 | Wyzard | or let debconf do it for you |
| 03:08.20 | Wyzard | !tell saint-takeshi about drxx |
| 03:09.55 | saint-takeshi | right, done. NOW i restart X and run glxinfo | grep direct |
| 03:10.01 | saint-takeshi | right? |
| 03:10.01 | selim | Wyzard: sorry no it's not |
| 03:10.04 | crn | abrotman, thanks. will do. |
| 03:10.12 | Wyzard | selim: What's not what? |
| 03:10.17 | Wyzard | saint-takeshi: yes |
| 03:10.28 | abrotman | crn: second URL .. get a daily |
| 03:10.53 | selim | Wyzard: vmware-configure is not finding automatically the linux-kernel header files |
| 03:11.12 | crn | abrotman, got it. |
| 03:11.49 | Wyzard | selim: Did you reboot? |
| 03:11.58 | selim | Wyzard: yes |
| 03:12.08 | Wyzard | selim: uname -r |
| 03:12.14 | Wyzard | selim: Double-check what kernel version you're running |
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| 03:12.31 | selim | Wyzard: 2.6.18-4 |
| 03:12.53 | Wyzard | Literally "2.6.18-4", or "2.6.18-4-686" ? |
| 03:13.17 | selim | Wyzard: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:13.21 | Wyzard | ok |
| 03:13.44 | Wyzard | selim: ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:13.50 | Wyzard | Is there a symlink called "build" ? |
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| 03:14.49 | alterego | Has the 'emacs' package been removed. I can't install it :( |
| 03:14.55 | selim | Wyzard: where should this be? |
| 03:15.27 | Wyzard | in that directory, /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:15.36 | stoned | man |
| 03:15.39 | stoned | keytouch is awesome |
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| 03:15.58 | Wyzard | There should be a symlink called "build" which points to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686 |
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| 03:16.44 | selim | Wyzard: yes there is a symlink build |
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| 03:17.32 | Wyzard | selim: And the pointed-to directory (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-686) does exist, right? |
| 03:17.49 | selim | Wyzard: correct |
| 03:18.32 | Wyzard | selim: and vmware-config doesn't see it when it needs to compile its modules? |
| 03:18.49 | selim | Wyzard: no |
| 03:19.06 | selim | Wyzard: it try's to search in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 03:19.10 | Wyzard | selim: When it prompts for the kernel headers location, it should default to the "build" symlink for the current kernel version if that exists, otherwise it defaults to /usr/src/linux |
| 03:19.18 | Wyzard | selim: What version of VMware are you trying to install? |
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| 03:20.10 | selim | Wyzard: gsxserver 3.5.1 |
| 03:20.31 | Wyzard | selim: ah, that's an older version |
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| 03:20.47 | Rappermas | alright, how do i get apache talking to php? |
| 03:20.52 | crn | abrotman, o.k. it's coming down now. thanks again. |
| 03:21.00 | Wyzard | selim: See if the "vmware-any-any" patch works for it, or install VMware Server 1.0, which is basically the successor to GSX Server (and it's free of charge, too) |
| 03:21.03 | abrotman | crn: enjoy! |
| 03:21.16 | Rappermas | seems that mod_php4 doesn't exist |
| 03:21.20 | Rappermas | and it was either that or out of luck |
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| 03:21.23 | Rappermas | so here i am, out of luck |
| 03:22.31 | selim | Wyzard: Ok, thank you, do you know if it's save to update gsx server with vmware server? |
| 03:22.33 | DAddYE | what is linux-image ? |
| 03:23.07 | archville | selim, vmware server should work well at least from my experience. |
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| 03:23.20 | DAddYE | what is linux-image ? |
| 03:23.39 | Wyzard | selim: "Server 1.0" is basically what would have been "GSX Server 4.0" |
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| 03:24.14 | Wyzard | selim: I've never used GSX, but Server 1.0 works fine on current Debian systems, and it says it supports VMs created with GSX (and I'd be highly surprised if it had any problems with that) |
| 03:24.29 | DAddYE | what is linux-image ? |
| 03:24.40 | Wyzard | DAddYE: It's the package containing the kernel |
| 03:24.52 | Wyzard | DAddYE: and it's considered rude to repeat like that |
| 03:25.15 | DAddYE | is possible in vps pass from sarge to etch? |
| 03:25.39 | Wyzard | should be, though it depends on what restrictions your VPS provider imposes |
| 03:25.46 | Wyzard | You might not be able to upgrade the kernel, for example |
| 03:26.55 | stoned | man I need to completely redo this whole package |
| 03:26.55 | Wyzard | selim: Server 1.0 is basically the official upgrade path for GSX users |
| 03:26.55 | selim | Wyzard: thank you I'll try that |
| 03:27.13 | abrotman | DAddYE: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 03:27.20 | abrotman | DAddYE: then apt-cache show |
| 03:27.33 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.39 | abrotman | peachy |
| 03:27.48 | stoned | life is that |
| 03:27.51 | DAddYE | abrotman for pass in etch? |
| 03:27.59 | abrotman | pass ? |
| 03:29.58 | Wyzard | I think he means upgrade |
| 03:30.06 | Wyzard | pass from sarge to etch |
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| 03:31.10 | DAddYE | Wyzard: yep |
| 03:31.36 | DAddYE | dpkg: have a way for upgrade to etch but I dont remember what I want to write |
| 03:31.42 | pinx | what's the method the make a device automount when it's plugged in? |
| 03:31.50 | Wyzard | DAddYE: You might find it easier to ask for help in #debian-it, btw |
| 03:32.17 | DAddYE | Wyzard: how u know that im italian? |
| 03:32.28 | Wyzard | DAddYE: /whois DAddYE |
| 03:32.32 | DAddYE | hehe |
| 03:32.42 | DAddYE | italian are bad boy |
| 03:32.43 | DAddYE | hehe |
| 03:32.47 | pinx | I have hotplug working but I have to mount manually - can I automate this? |
| 03:32.48 | Wyzard | DAddYE: I see "telecomitalia.it" and figure you're Italian |
| 03:33.40 | DAddYE | Wyzard: u remember what I want to write at dpkg user for say me information for upgrade from sarge to etch? |
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| 03:34.00 | abrotman | !tell DAddYE about sarge->etch |
| 03:34.19 | msn | I am getting this in my Apache File does not exist: /htdocs even though I havent setup htocs in any website |
| 03:34.23 | DAddYE | Thankssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
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| 03:35.17 | x3n0 | anyone know which repo holds the kernel headers (2.6.19)? |
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| 03:36.42 | Wyzard | x3n0: 2.6.19 isn't in Debian |
| 03:37.09 | x3n0 | not even sid? |
| 03:37.13 | msn | 2.6.18-4 is the last for i386 i think |
| 03:37.18 | stoned | no |
| 03:37.18 | msn | in sid |
| 03:37.18 | Wyzard | x3n0: We're currently at 2.6.18 due to the etch freeze... after etch is released we'll probably jump straight to 2.6.20 |
| 03:37.35 | x3n0 | crap |
| 03:37.37 | x3n0 | :( |
| 03:38.04 | msn | anything special in 2.6.19 you need x3n0 |
| 03:38.07 | stoned | why crap |
| 03:38.08 | abrotman | !depends linux-image-2.6-686 sid |
| 03:38.14 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: depends on linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 03:39.02 | x3n0 | well i'm running 2.6.19 @ the moment |
| 03:39.19 | Caelum | what's the fs type of initrd images? I'm trying to mount -o loop one |
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| 03:39.45 | msn | k |
| 03:39.45 | x3n0 | but I need the headers to complile the fglrx kernel mod |
| 03:40.03 | abrotman | so get them wherever you get your kernel |
| 03:40.36 | x3n0 | hmm |
| 03:40.43 | x3n0 | maybe |
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| 03:41.21 | x3n0 | its a real pain |
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| 03:41.50 | msn | hmmmm get the kernel source use the oldconfig and recompile |
| 03:42.08 | msn | will get you everything other than ofcourse the deb atches |
| 03:42.09 | x3n0 | can't find a staight 2.6.19 @ kernel.org |
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| 03:42.13 | msn | patches* |
| 03:42.20 | abrotman | x3n0: bullshit |
| 03:42.21 | croddy | is there a kernel that supports this horrific jmicron IDE controller i'm stuck with? 2.6.18-4-486 is no good; i'm happy to build one if that's what it takes |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | !tell croddy about kmuto |
| 03:42.42 | stoned | abrotman: what do you mean bullshit? |
| 03:43.01 | abrotman | if you can't find a .tar.bz2 at kernel.org you've got issues |
| 03:43.04 | stoned | abrotman: he can't find one. Doesn't mean there isn't one on the kernel.org |
| 03:43.07 | abrotman | x3n0: which version of debian is this |
| 03:43.12 | x3n0 | abrotman: whats bullshit? |
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| 03:43.33 | croddy | thanks abrotman, but i have the latest from sid. the system is installed and works. i'm just pumping out coasters .... very slowly. also that link is dead. |
| 03:43.40 | x3n0 | sid |
| 03:43.56 | x3n0 | but it began life as knoppix |
| 03:43.57 | abrotman | croddy: sid has 2.6.17 .. kmuto has 2.6.20 on top of sarge |
| 03:44.23 | abrotman | sid has 2.6.18 |
| 03:44.28 | stoned | kmutos images didnt' work for me |
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| 03:44.36 | stoned | then again I didn't want sarge to begin with |
| 03:44.41 | croddy | well, sid has 2.6.18 now, and the link is dead, but i'll build 2.6.20 from kernel.org. do you actually know this works with the jmicron, or are you just banging keys for fun to see if you can waste some of my time? |
| 03:44.59 | stoned | yes it works with jmb 363 ata controller |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | jfe elfje!!jf #$ |
| 03:45.05 | croddy | thank you sir |
| 03:45.06 | stoned | 2.6.18-4 I know of |
| 03:45.09 | abrotman | croddy: banging keys ? :) |
| 03:45.12 | x3n0 | so prob doesn't really fall any where really |
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| 03:53.47 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:53.47 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 03:55.55 | x3n0 | lol |
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| 04:05.35 | n3kl | Hi. I would like to start watching stats on my network, such as machine interface bandwidth usage and memory usage of my other debian boxes and display graphs similar to what ntop can do for traffic passing through through the interface. I believe snmp is what I am looking for, yes? and also, what sort of tool would I need for the graphing? Any software packages tha tpeople woudld recomend? |
| 04:06.32 | guk | I don't know about setting up snmp but mrtg seems to be nice for graphing that stuff |
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| 04:07.03 | guk | http://solosoft.org:81/monitor/192.168.100.1_1.html <-- a default mrtg page |
| 04:08.22 | n3kl | guk: hmmm, does it do host stats, or just network load stuff? |
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| 04:08.47 | guk | I think it does about everything ... like im not 100% positive but im sure googling the page would bring you to the home site |
| 04:08.53 | bluedeath | Im looking for a distro I can install on a computer with 96M of ram |
| 04:09.02 | bluedeath | for some reason suse 10.1 won't |
| 04:09.19 | guk | which would prolly get you started in some way ... (you would be surprised what supports snmp) I found a nice windows app which can scan all the active IP's on your network and check them for snmp ... my cable modem supports it ... and so does my router ... |
| 04:09.37 | guk | bluedeath: debian should be able too run on that ... |
| 04:09.44 | n3kl | guk: cool, I will check more into it. thanks |
| 04:09.47 | guk | I wouldn't expect too much outa that machine tho ... it'll be really slow |
| 04:09.48 | bluedeath | guk- with xwindows too ? |
| 04:09.58 | bluedeath | guk- the swap is 2gb... |
| 04:10.03 | guk | yeah ... but you would have to use somthing like windowmaker or like fluxbox or somthing |
| 04:10.18 | n3kl | flux |
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| 04:10.20 | guk | bluedeath: yeah but when it swaps the system will basicly "lock up" |
| 04:10.23 | n3kl | imho |
| 04:10.29 | guk | and shoot the load up to like 10.0 and make the mouse all choppy |
| 04:11.00 | Guerin | bluedeath: 96MB isn't much for an x box |
| 04:11.01 | guk | in my honest opinion ... I find linux slower then like windows xp on the same system (running KDE or gnome) |
| 04:11.19 | bluedeath | eh |
| 04:11.20 | Guerin | bluedeath: it'll run, but you need to not run things like kd/gnome/firefox |
| 04:11.28 | guk | no it isn't much at all ... I would recomend somthing like windows 9x or like ... dsl linux ... (damn small linux) |
| 04:11.33 | guk | run opera ... |
| 04:11.37 | Guerin | fuck opera |
| 04:11.41 | bluedeath | actually I forward the X server to the windows machine |
| 04:11.41 | guk | on somthing thin like windowmaker ... it might almost be bareable |
| 04:11.48 | bluedeath | but it doesnt seem to affect the speed much |
| 04:12.00 | guk | no ... but the system will swap to cheese if you try to do anything on it |
| 04:12.01 | Guerin | bluedeath: should be ok then |
| 04:12.28 | bluedeath | guerin- no, I mean, it was hell slow on a system with 256M |
| 04:12.32 | guk | it will have to be as minimal as possible ... have you ever looked into somthing like gentoo ... where you could build it as tiny and optimized for that system as possible |
| 04:12.46 | Guerin | bluedeath: only if you run gnome/kde |
| 04:12.55 | guk | (of course there is a larger learning curve with that method) but if you want to get it to run that's pretty much your options |
| 04:12.56 | Guerin | \gentoo is a retarded idea for that box |
| 04:12.59 | bluedeath | guerin- and when I typed free it told me 96M was used as well as 300M of swap, and that was without x-windows |
| 04:13.01 | Guerin | it'll take months to build |
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| 04:13.08 | guk | I wouldn't think so ... you could compile the apps with as minimal support as possible |
| 04:13.14 | guk | and only compile what's needed |
| 04:13.19 | Guerin | bluedeath: then you were doing something very wrong |
| 04:13.31 | Guerin | debian will be fine |
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| 04:13.40 | bluedeath | yeah, but the box is actually running the mmorpg client and the kde |
| 04:13.44 | hark | bluedeath: you should be able to do fine, just don't run firefox ;) |
| 04:13.44 | Guerin | i've run it on a box with 48MB |
| 04:13.47 | bluedeath | so even if I forward it to my windows box |
| 04:13.55 | Guerin | don't run kde |
| 04:14.04 | bluedeath | its still the linux box that is 'running' those things, even if the windows box 'display' them |
| 04:14.12 | hark | leave gnome/kde and even xfce |
| 04:14.27 | guk | try to stick with GTK apps ... |
| 04:14.31 | guk | cause KDE apps end up loading all the KDE libs |
| 04:14.34 | Guerin | for a box which is that short on ram, it should be the X *terminal* not the box running all the apps |
| 04:14.35 | guk | which chew the shit outa your RAM |
| 04:14.40 | pythonic | how long does new maintainer process take these days? |
| 04:14.45 | Guerin | gtk isn;t much better |
| 04:15.20 | bluedeath | so can an app that need the x-devel packages and the gtk-devel apps run with windowmaker ? |
| 04:15.20 | guk | no ... but memory wise it's better then KDE ;) |
| 04:15.21 | guk | which likes to load all the libs up |
| 04:15.21 | Guerin | pythonic: ask #debian-mentors irc.debian.org |
| 04:15.21 | pythonic | Guerin: okay, thanks! :-) |
| 04:15.21 | Guerin | pythonic: why wouldn't it? |
| 04:15.24 | bluedeath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.28 | Guerin | nothing is window-manager-specific |
| 04:15.30 | bluedeath | I thought there was no X clients for windows ? |
| 04:15.48 | guk | bluedeath: get it to run rdesktop or vnc etc etc |
| 04:15.57 | guk | it's too slow to host the apps but it's fine to display them |
| 04:16.17 | bluedeath | erm, or no X server, I havent done that stuff since a long time |
| 04:16.28 | epsilon | Could anyone help me understand what chkrootkit is trying to tell me please, is someone logged in on the server as root on tty6? |
| 04:16.29 | bluedeath | and cygwin can't run the apps even with its own X server |
| 04:16.40 | epsilon | "Checking `chkutmp'... The tty of the following user process(es) were not found in /var/run/utmp !" - "! root 1878 tty6 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6" |
| 04:16.41 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:16.42 | bluedeath | basically because of x-devel and gtk-devel, which it lacks |
| 04:16.56 | Guerin | oh well |
| 04:17.01 | hark | there's xming too.. |
| 04:17.02 | Guerin | buy some more ram, not like it's expensive |
| 04:17.29 | archville | Uhmm, d4x downloader hangs when i exit the program ¿ Anyone has the same problem ? (Debian Etch, fully updated, Gnome) |
| 04:17.41 | bluedeath | pc-1200 ram _is_ expensive, and not worth the expense for a junkyard computer |
| 04:17.57 | bluedeath | or rather, the more correct term "pc-100" |
| 04:18.17 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 04:18.22 | croddy | i've probably got 20 pc100 sticks in my closet |
| 04:18.24 | hark | no it isn't |
| 04:18.25 | Guerin | it's not expensive at all |
| 04:18.30 | croddy | you may know someone like me, just ask for some. it'll be free |
| 04:20.49 | n3kl | guk: so I actually had mrtg installed, I just remebered that I had stayed away from it because the config is a friggin joke. Good think I just found a howto that describes a tool called cfgmaker designed to build mrtg configs. =] |
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| 04:21.31 | bluedeath | technically I could use vmware and install linux on that |
| 04:21.45 | bluedeath | but I wouldnt have a network and that router would be useless |
| 04:22.00 | bluedeath | that was the reason for getting a linux box, so I could learn networking |
| 04:22.20 | bluedeath | and how to use 2 computers at once when you have 1 sreen and one keyboard (ie: gotta ssh in) |
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| 04:23.07 | epsilon | can anyone tell me what the issue is to the question I've written? Don't understand what#s chkrootkit is telling to me... |
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| 04:24.00 | jason0_ | How can I switch to debian testing (for nslu2)? |
| 04:25.11 | bluedeath | epsilon- you do really that tty6 is a local connection ? |
| 04:25.16 | bluedeath | *realize |
| 04:25.44 | bluedeath | local connection on the 7th virtual screen... |
| 04:26.19 | epsilon | bluedeath: it's a server in remote location, no one should be logged in local - expect the network has issues yesterday and possible some supporter logged in locally |
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| 04:27.31 | epsilon | but finger or who don't show any logged in user expect me (which is not root right now) |
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| 04:28.22 | bluedeath | epsilon- and whats your tty ? |
| 04:28.38 | archville | !grub |
| 04:28.39 | dpkg | somebody said grub was the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 04:28.44 | epsilon | I'm connecting via SSH |
| 04:29.39 | bluedeath | one of the problem I have with EXT2 is that I can corrupt my filesystem if I get angry at my computer and shut off the house breaker |
| 04:29.48 | bluedeath | so what filesystem do you suggest for when I do that ? |
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| 04:30.32 | pythonic | in debian installer software selection what does "standard software" install? |
| 04:30.51 | krazykit | bluedeath, ext3. or buy a UPS. or don't shut off the house breaker. |
| 04:31.02 | Guerin | and don't have electrical storms |
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| 04:31.12 | Guerin | or any other sort of power failure |
| 04:31.20 | bluedeath | krazykit- the computer started it |
| 04:31.30 | pythonic | yeah, and my computer doesn't do too well when i fire my shotgun at it :-/ |
| 04:31.34 | krazykit | bluedeath, those damn uppity computers. |
| 04:31.35 | bluedeath | by provoking me with Yast2 |
| 04:32.10 | Guerin | pythonic: read the install guide |
| 04:32.12 | bluedeath | It told me it couldnt update my packages just because it couldn't find a damn file with a list of ISP in it |
| 04:32.20 | bluedeath | the file was like /usr/docs/providers.txt |
| 04:32.24 | Guerin | shotgun is good good for yast |
| 04:33.00 | g333k_laptop | hi any suggestion for this problem: I have a network with identical PCs, I want to clone one PC and restore it to all my network PCs, I mean using a ftp server so all my PCs will download and restore the image using the network, what tools should I use? |
| 04:33.33 | baggend | emacs-snapshot has just apparently decided to change its default font, and changing it via shift-mouse1 doesn't stick between runs. Any ideas? |
| 04:34.12 | Guerin | baggend: (set-default-font "fixed") |
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| 04:35.05 | krinns | hi al |
| 04:35.30 | baggend | Guerin: I did set-default-font 'face name that looks like it's probably right' while in emacs and then told it to save the config but it didn't do it. I guess I'll try manually putting it in my .emacs (fixed looks really squished all of a sudden) |
| 04:35.34 | krinns | i have some jobs in printing and i want when my jobs come in queue prinetr 1 print that job |
| 04:35.44 | krinns | is this possible in debian |
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| 04:36.23 | baggend | g333k_laptop: You're going to need to set up a custom netboot environment that'll load up a linux distro for you and then use that to write the image to the hard disk. |
| 04:36.48 | baggend | g333k_laptop: While you certainly CAN do that, you're much better off just looking at some of the tools that are already out there for doing network deployments. |
| 04:38.08 | pythonic | i guess "standard software" is installed whether it's checked or not... http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds02.html |
| 04:38.10 | g333k_laptop | baggend, I've tried ghost for linux (g4l), but when I have many PCs downloading the image it brakes |
| 04:38.50 | bluedeath | g333k_laptop- you should try "Im in ur network, deploying ur images v4.31" |
| 04:39.27 | DAddYE | where I can found a source.list? |
| 04:40.01 | g333k_laptop | bluedeath, let me check it out |
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| 04:40.46 | g333k_laptop | bluedeath, lol |
| 04:41.28 | g333k_laptop | There should be a script that works good for my needs |
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| 04:45.33 | bluedeath | thats unfair |
| 04:45.51 | bluedeath | Im going to sue freenode at the UN Human Rights Commission soon |
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| 04:48.43 | pepito | hey, dows someone know if I can install a SB X-Fi on my Debian? |
| 04:48.56 | pepito | im trying, but I can't find the solution to get some sound! |
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| 04:50.26 | rellik | how do I resume a process that I stopped (vim :st) |
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| 04:51.21 | baggend | rellik: fg |
| 04:52.19 | rellik | baggend, thanks |
| 04:52.24 | DAddYE | there isn't for etch deb http://http.us.debian.org etch/main ? |
| 04:52.52 | baggend | DAddYE: Not sure what you mean? |
| 04:53.03 | baggend | rellik: np |
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| 04:53.31 | DAddYE | !tell baggend sarge->etch |
| 04:53.39 | dmlb2000 | anyone know the command to force apt to reinstall everything currently installed? |
| 04:53.44 | DAddYE | I do all, but #deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US etch/non-US main contrib non-free don't work |
| 04:53.48 | DAddYE | is correct? |
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| 04:54.17 | baggend | DAddYE: non-US was removed quite a while ago. You don't need it anymore. |
| 04:54.27 | DAddYE | goood |
| 04:54.32 | baggend | dmlb2000: One sec, lemme look it up. |
| 04:54.40 | DAddYE | any ave a source.list for etch? |
| 04:54.49 | DAddYE | I've only 2 deb is correct? |
| 04:54.55 | dondelelcaro | DAddYE: it's the same as your current sources.list but with etch instead of stable or sarge. |
| 04:55.33 | DAddYE | ok |
| 04:56.08 | DAddYE | im updating all, |
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| 04:58.37 | baggend | dmlb2000: There's a "right" way to do it that I remember using a while ago but I can't seem to find it at the moment. |
| 04:59.11 | dmlb2000 | hmmm... is there a place to start looking? I can help google/man/README or whatever |
| 04:59.57 | baggend | dmlb2000: This should work though: dpkg -l |grep ^ii | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs apt-get install |
| 05:00.11 | baggend | dmlb2000: I take no responsibility for the outcome of that though. I just threw it together on the command line. :) |
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| 05:00.38 | baggend | dmlb2000: Wait... nevermind... found it. :) |
| 05:00.40 | dmlb2000 | hehe yeah, I know... this is going to get interesting ;) luckly I have debootstrap ;) |
| 05:00.44 | dmlb2000 | Ooo okay |
| 05:00.46 | baggend | !reinstall dmlb2000 |
| 05:00.52 | baggend | !dmlb2000 reinstall |
| 05:00.55 | baggend | dammit... |
| 05:00.59 | baggend | one sec. :) |
| 05:01.00 | dmlb2000 | hehe |
| 05:01.32 | baggend | !tell dmlb2000 about reinstall |
| 05:01.43 | baggend | There we go. Did it come through? |
| 05:02.26 | dmlb2000 | Yeah... dpkg messaged me ;) thanks |
| 05:02.58 | baggend | np. :) I know that command works because I've used it to un-b0rk a couple of systems after accidentally doing a rm -rf /usr/bin :) |
| 05:03.08 | baggend | don't ask :) |
| 05:03.52 | dmlb2000 | hehe better than un cpio'ing an initrd and having the file paths being all absolute paths |
| 05:04.04 | Supaplex | baggend: only a couple.. ok. :P |
| 05:04.05 | dmlb2000 | and having the initrd be for a different arch ;) |
| 05:04.21 | baggend | Supaplex: Ok... a FEW... :) |
| 05:04.32 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 05:04.33 | baggend | dmlb2000: Ouch! Good to know I'm not the only one... :) |
| 05:04.55 | dmlb2000 | yeah ia64 doesn't work so hot on an x86 ;) |
| 05:05.19 | Supaplex | I nuked /dev on my first roothat box when it was 3 days old. that was fun. |
| 05:05.33 | eshaase | do ubuntu packages work with debian? |
| 05:05.37 | dmlb2000 | that's easy to fix nowadays |
| 05:05.44 | Supaplex | eshaase: do ford parts run on bwm? |
| 05:05.57 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 05:05.57 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
| 05:06.03 | eshaase | Supaplex: haha, i'll take that as a no then =) |
| 05:06.09 | eshaase | Supaplex: don't they use .deb files? |
| 05:06.17 | stew | eshaase: you can "backport" them: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 05:06.18 | Supaplex | eshaase: yes. |
| 05:06.51 | Supaplex | eshaase: cominght distros just because they use the same package management = trouble |
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| 05:07.03 | supervillain | I want to ask how to make NoDisplay=true hide my desktop files, it's not working in Feisty. |
| 05:07.10 | Supaplex | cominght/cominglieing/ or wtfever :P |
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| 05:07.32 | Supaplex | supervillain: ubuntu is that way -> #ubuntu |
| 05:07.47 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 05:08.09 | Supaplex | yea, you know what I meant. :) |
| 05:08.23 | baggend | yup :) |
| 05:08.32 | Supaplex | aka multi-distro-orgy |
| 05:08.43 | baggend | kinky... |
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| 05:09.33 | baggend | It's a good thing Emacs provides a way to deal with that problem: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/92q4/condomman.html |
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| 05:11.53 | Supaplex | because emacs needs it most after all. |
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| 05:13.02 | thelostbutler | hello folks does anyone know which debian package has the perl module Data::Table ? perl package data-table. http://search.cpan.org/~ezdb/Data-Table-1.50/Table.pm |
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| 05:13.37 | pythonic | hi! i have a disk image in a file, partition table and all... how do i mount a partition from it? |
| 05:13.42 | Supaplex | !tell thelostbutler -about search |
| 05:14.21 | thelostbutler | Supaplex : thanks |
| 05:14.43 | tenzing_ | hi ... what is the version of apache in debian etch rite now?? is it apache 2.2 or apache2.0? |
| 05:15.15 | Supaplex | tenzing_: packages.debian.org |
| 05:15.36 | dondelelcaro | !+info apache2 etch |
| 05:15.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:15.39 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-3.3 (etch), Packaged size: 37 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
| 05:15.44 | pythonic | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=apache2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 05:15.45 | Supaplex | thelostbutler: if it's not in debian, nor available via a backport, consider dh-make-perl |
| 05:16.34 | thelostbutler | Supaplex: instead of going through apt-file, i actually did a search on packages.debian.org . http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=table.pm&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 05:17.14 | thelostbutler | i figured data::table would be something like Data/table.pm |
| 05:17.21 | Supaplex | thelostbutler: yup, that's powered by apt-file. |
| 05:17.23 | Malf | thelostbutler is there a reason you don't just get it through like ppm or something? |
| 05:17.37 | Malf | that's where I had to grab most of my perl packages |
| 05:17.54 | Supaplex | Malf: dh-make-perl is the cpan -> deb builder. and isn't ppm activestate? |
| 05:18.28 | Malf | yeah I meant cpan |
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| 05:18.54 | Malf | burnt out from windows at work |
| 05:19.15 | thelostbutler | Malf: there is a source package. but i rather use a precompiled debian perl module. it is easy for version maintanance |
| 05:19.53 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: yeah, using the Debian packages if they exist, or dh-make-perl --cpan if they don't is the way to go. |
| 05:20.30 | Malf | thelostbutler: A source package for what? |
| 05:20.33 | Supaplex | I like, dh-make-perl --build --cpan MyCPAN::Module |
| 05:20.33 | thelostbutler | doncelelcaro: yes that is the way if the system has a direct access to the net, this system is behind a filewall and can't access the net |
| 05:20.48 | thelostbutler | Malf: data-table on cpan |
| 05:20.53 | Supaplex | which builds libmycpan-module-perl_1.0.deb |
| 05:20.54 | dondelelcaro | thelostbutler: that's still ok; you can build the package on another system, and move the deb to it. |
| 05:21.05 | Malf | ahh |
| 05:22.14 | Malf | *shrugs* using cpan as is seems to work pretty well for me but whatever floats your boat I suppose |
| 05:22.33 | dondelelcaro | the reason why you don't want to use cpan is because it's non trivial to upgrade and remove packages with CPAN. |
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| 05:22.47 | dondelelcaro | (well, use cpan directly; dh-make-perl *can* use cpan) |
| 05:22.51 | Malf | seemed to be for me was all |
| 05:23.36 | dondelelcaro | it'll work to install, but when you're maintaining a few dozen (or hundreds or thousands) of machines, these sorts of stupid tasks add up. |
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| 05:23.50 | jerware | hi |
| 05:23.57 | jerware | is etch stable yet |
| 05:24.15 | dondelelcaro | jerware: no |
| 05:24.19 | jerware | fuck |
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| 05:25.00 | thelostbutler | thanks for the suggestions folks |
| 05:25.06 | dondelelcaro | np; good luck |
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| 05:26.22 | colera | what repository do i have to add to get g++? |
| 05:26.35 | dondelelcaro | colera: if you've got main, you can install g++ |
| 05:26.47 | colera | i search for it and nothing comes up |
| 05:26.48 | colera | ? |
| 05:26.54 | dondelelcaro | !+info g++ |
| 05:26.55 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 05:26.59 | centrx | what are you typing |
| 05:27.03 | dpkg | g++: (The GNU C++ compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (sid), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 05:27.05 | colera | i searched for "g++" |
| 05:27.11 | dondelelcaro | colera: how did you search for it? |
| 05:27.12 | centrx | what do you mean "searched" |
| 05:27.19 | colera | oh, sorry |
| 05:27.23 | colera | in aptitude |
| 05:27.50 | dondelelcaro | colera: you wanted ^g\+\+ |
| 05:28.05 | dondelelcaro | + means at least one of the preceding character; it's not a literal + sign. |
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| 05:28.19 | colera | hmm so i have to escape it out? |
| 05:28.22 | colera | alright i will try that |
| 05:28.25 | centrx | anyway, you don't need to search for it |
| 05:28.28 | centrx | just type apt-get install g++ |
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| 05:28.52 | dondelelcaro | or aptitude install g++; in this case. |
| 05:29.27 | colera | centrx: okay, i just feel wierd installing something before i look at the description, that's why i like gentoo package management i can search the repository first for matches and the install the ones i want |
| 05:29.54 | centrx | colera you can do that here, I don't know what the story with aptitude searching is |
| 05:30.01 | dondelelcaro | colera: you can do the same in Debian, you just have to know how to use a regex. |
| 05:30.18 | centrx | colera I would have just done, in console, apt-cache show g++ |
| 05:30.28 | centrx | colera or if I couldn't find it, apt-cache search g++ |
| 05:30.47 | dondelelcaro | centrx: that'd be pretty useless for the same reason |
| 05:30.49 | colera | centrx: cool, that's what i was looking for. |
| 05:31.13 | centrx | ah yes the search wouldn't work properly, but the show does |
| 05:31.17 | dondelelcaro | apt-cache search '^g\+\+' <-- this is the command that would actually do something useful |
| 05:31.25 | centrx | and the only reason it doesn't work properly is because of the plus signs |
| 05:31.33 | centrx | so that's a rare case |
| 05:31.40 | centrx | s/properly/normally |
| 05:31.41 | dondelelcaro | right; it's a regex... just like it is in aptitude |
| 05:31.51 | dondelelcaro | and indeed, it's actually working normally. |
| 05:31.51 | colera | right, but why would the apt-cache work without escaping the +? |
| 05:32.01 | centrx | the search doesn't |
| 05:32.08 | dondelelcaro | colera: you used apt-cache show, which shows an exact package name. |
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| 05:32.10 | colera | but show would? |
| 05:32.15 | colera | okay |
| 05:32.16 | colera | i see |
| 05:32.31 | centrx | yes, because it's not doing regex comparisons, which are done for the search |
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| 05:37.05 | pythonic | hmm... grub/lilo install in debian installer in qemu does not work :-/ |
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| 05:39.25 | Malf | still not sure what the difference is between having it update on its own versus making a package to do it but meh |
| 05:39.53 | ruben | I'm trying to install debian off a netinst cd. But the package mirrors all seem to be not working. |
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| 05:40.09 | MrKeuner | hi, is it possible to get a kernel lock on a file before appending it? |
| 05:40.22 | DAddYE | any can help me with: Enabling proxy as a dependency |
| 05:40.22 | DAddYE | This module is already enabled! |
| 05:40.22 | DAddYE | Enabling cache as a dependency |
| 05:40.22 | DAddYE | This module does not exist! |
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| 05:40.40 | ruben | oh now it's suddenly started working for no apparent reason |
| 05:40.50 | Guerin | !5% issue |
| 05:41.02 | Guerin | !5% error |
| 05:41.02 | dpkg | 5% error is probably d-i stopping at 5%? boot the installer with `boot debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like |
| 05:41.07 | Guerin | ruben: ↑ |
| 05:41.13 | hark | oh, there is a factoid for that now.. nice |
| 05:42.17 | hark | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 05:42.40 | ruben | huh ? |
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| 05:43.28 | hark | ruben: if it's working for you, good .. ignore it |
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| 05:53.48 | hatter | how could the gnome keyboard layout be different than the standard shell keyboard layout ? |
| 05:55.34 | valdyn | hatter: by using the gnome keyboard applet |
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| 05:56.04 | alvarezp | hatter: The world will never know. I think it should be the same as the OS, too, but not all OSes are capable of giving uniform kb info. |
| 05:56.05 | hatter | valdyn: thx, do u know what changes the bash k/b layout ? |
| 05:56.25 | alvarezp | hatter: try loadkeys |
| 05:56.25 | hatter | alvarezp: yeah, seems so silly |
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| 05:56.44 | valdyn | !keyboard |
| 05:56.44 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys" |
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| 05:58.42 | valdyn | hatter: 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' on this sid system, it probably changed since sarge |
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| 06:00.59 | hatter | valdyn: that fixed it for me. thx. on Etch btw. |
| 06:00.59 | manu_hack | anyone familar with printer config? |
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| 06:01.45 | MrKeuner | hi, is it possible to get a kernel lock on a file using bash |
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| 06:02.33 | stoned | Guerin: hey |
| 06:02.58 | Guerin | stoned: ho |
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| 06:04.23 | stoned | lookit what I did with http://stoned.is.dreaming.org |
| 06:04.23 | stoned | should works in all browsers now too |
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| 06:04.25 | Guerin | stoned: wot, no xhtml? |
| 06:04.26 | stoned | Guerin: nah |
| 06:04.33 | archville | stoned, not bad. :) |
| 06:04.35 | stoned | I was convinced not to use it |
| 06:04.42 | Guerin | stoned: by whom? |
| 06:04.46 | stoned | people in CSS |
| 06:04.48 | stoned | #css |
| 06:04.51 | Guerin | rrr |
| 06:05.15 | stoned | archville: thanks |
| 06:05.41 | hatter | stoned: i don't like the colours. please add some pink. |
| 06:05.46 | archville | My latest one was: http://tpl.berlios.de/ but it is unfinished. (and spanish) |
| 06:05.50 | stoned | lol |
| 06:05.56 | hatter | lol |
| 06:06.39 | hatter | also, please send some good buds to Australia - addressed to John Howard, Parliament House, Canberra, Australia. Thx. |
| 06:06.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:07.19 | hatter | I will be happy to get them, my day job is very hectic :) |
| 06:08.01 | stoned | so its much better design this time eh |
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| 06:08.15 | stoned | no more transparent faggotry |
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| 06:12.21 | g333k_laptop | hi, how can I list all the enviroment vars? |
| 06:12.34 | stoned | env |
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| 06:13.01 | g333k_laptop | I want to save more commands for my history |
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| 06:15.17 | ruben | I'm doing a debian install off a netinst cd. On the "Debian software selection" screen there appear to be a number of choices I should be able to check mark. But how do I choose them? Pressing enter seems to skip to the next screen. |
| 06:15.32 | stoned | space |
| 06:15.42 | pinx | ruben arrows |
| 06:15.49 | stoned | ruben: spacebar when you highlight will toggle the * on or off |
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| 06:15.58 | ruben | thanks. space works. arrows dont work. |
| 06:16.07 | stoned | ruben: don't use tasksel anyway |
| 06:16.08 | pinx | heh |
| 06:16.24 | stoned | ruben: leave em all blank and install what you need manually later with aptitude |
| 06:16.34 | stoned | at least this is what I think anyway |
| 06:16.50 | pinx | stoned - is there enough in the basic install to do that? |
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| 06:17.15 | zorrolero | stoned: isn't set better then env? |
| 06:17.20 | stoned | no tasksel downloads the packages first and then does it |
| 06:17.30 | stoned | zorrolero: sure |
| 06:17.42 | ruben | ok. shouod i at least install the desktop environment? |
| 06:17.55 | stoned | ruben: nah |
| 06:18.02 | stoned | you can get it later |
| 06:18.14 | g333k_laptop | what variable do I have to modify to save a longer history commands than now? |
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| 06:19.13 | stoned | g333k_laptop: man history might tell you something |
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| 06:19.39 | hark | man bash /history |
| 06:19.45 | Adlai | !beer me |
| 06:19.47 | Adlai | aha! |
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| 06:19.59 | Adlai | now it's _really_ time for bed |
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| 06:20.26 | VonFluffy | no it isnt |: |
| 06:20.38 | pinx | beer-o'clock here :) |
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| 06:20.48 | baggend | Cheers to that! :) |
| 06:20.50 | zorrolero | g333k_laptop: "set | grep HIST" ,) |
| 06:22.38 | xerophyte_ | is there anyway to find corresponding config option for the modules which is from lsmod in the kernel .config ? |
| 06:24.35 | g333k_laptop | zorrolero, does the user and the root share the same value of HISTSIZE ? or do I have to modify the value for each user? |
| 06:25.02 | pinx | g333k_laptop: config per user |
| 06:25.23 | ruben | What do I choose for "Configuring Exim v4"? |
| 06:26.28 | pinx | g333k_laptop: histfilesize defaults to 500 lines, but i don't know what the maximum is |
| 06:26.56 | pinx | g333k_laptop: it's been doing 2500 for me happily ;-) |
| 06:26.57 | hark | g333k_laptop: echo $HISTFILESIZE |
| 06:28.15 | g333k_laptop | I think that what I have to modify is $HISTSIZE |
| 06:28.20 | pinx | g333k_laptop: change $HISTFILESIZE as the user whose .bash_history file you want to change |
| 06:28.35 | pinx | g333k_laptop: read the scrollback |
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| 06:33.23 | xerophyte_ | is there anyway you can find out which drivers are compiled in the kernel, one of the server i have has kernel which all the drivers and modules are compiled in . is there anyway to list them ? |
| 06:33.40 | g333k_laptop | pinx, ok so I will leave HISTSIZE =500 and modify HISTFILESIZE to 10000 |
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| 06:35.46 | Tigger_ | whats debian ? |
| 06:36.10 | lando | are u serious? |
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| 06:36.34 | Tigger_ | nah only kidding lando lol |
| 06:36.53 | Tigger_ | it just went quiet :) |
| 06:37.27 | hark | g333k_laptop: read man bash again.. |
| 06:37.48 | hark | !tell Tigger_ -about debian |
| 06:37.50 | hark | heh |
| 06:38.08 | eshaase | anyone here familiar with /etc/gre.c and GRE_PATH? |
| 06:38.08 | Tigger_ | oh i'll go take a look :) |
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| 06:39.12 | stoned | haha Tigger_ thats a great nick you even have a tail |
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| 06:39.27 | helloyo | could somebody please help me setup my wifi? |
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| 06:39.49 | Tigger_ | hehe stoned :) tis good ain't it wid the tai too hoo hoo hoo ! |
| 06:40.43 | stoned | hahaha /me happily starts clapping =D |
| 06:40.46 | helloyo | wireless settings in kde doesn't detect any wireless interfaces, it was easy to setup in ubuntu though, so it should be relatively painless |
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| 06:41.11 | Tigger_ | :) |
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| 06:43.03 | Tigger_ | helloyo, what wireless interface have you got? |
| 06:43.20 | helloyo | Tigger_: not sure sorry, how can i check? |
| 06:43.32 | Tigger_ | is it pci ? |
| 06:43.55 | helloyo | Tigger_: yes |
| 06:44.05 | Tigger_ | try lspci |
| 06:44.40 | helloyo | Tigger_: Texas Instruments |
| 06:45.24 | Tigger_ | ok the way i did mine was........................... |
| 06:45.42 | Tigger_ | i have a broadcom one................ |
| 06:46.20 | Tigger_ | so i search on google for ndiswrapper boadcom debian |
| 06:46.54 | helloyo | Tigger_: yeah... |
| 06:46.55 | Tigger_ | u may know with ndiswrapper you can use windows drivers on debian |
| 06:47.19 | helloyo | Tigger_: ok, i do now, if it helps anything it worked easily in ubuntu... |
| 06:47.24 | xerophyte_ | is there anyway to find which kernel config option come with this module mptsas ? |
| 06:48.23 | hark | xerophyte_: yes, a bit tricky.. |
| 06:48.34 | Tigger_ | cool helloyo :) pitty u havn't still got ur config files backedup from ubuntu |
| 06:48.52 | archville | Uhmm some apps look definitelly worse than others on my Gnome desktop (In Etch). Maybe it is GTK or something, it is especially noticeable in Gambas or XMMS ¿ Any tip ? |
| 06:48.56 | xerophyte_ | hark could you please explain ? i badly need to search them |
| 06:49.01 | helloyo | Tigger_: haha, nothing is detecting the a wireless card, so i think thats the main problem |
| 06:50.33 | Tigger_ | i'm sure u'll find a howto or a Journal about it via google helloyo |
| 06:50.38 | peterS | xerophyte_: what do you mean "come with this module"? |
| 06:50.50 | helloyo | Tigger_: yeah, thanks, not having too much luck yet |
| 06:51.35 | helloyo | can anyone else help me setup my wireless card? |
| 06:52.13 | peterS | xerophyte_: I mean there's CONFIG_FUSION_SAS that enables the module. it has suspend/resume support if you enable CONFIG_PM. other than that, it's governed by the usual kernel config options |
| 06:52.13 | xerophyte_ | PeterS the module mptsas is for the SI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS1068 PCI-X Fusion-MPT SAS, i want to know which kernel .config option come with that module |
| 06:52.54 | peterS | options don't "come with" modules. they affect whether modules are compiled or not, or they affect what features of a module are enabled. I cannot tell what you are asking about. |
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| 06:53.15 | Tigger_ | if you got the windows drivers and install ndiswrapper it maybe quite painless and work straight away helloyo |
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| 06:53.35 | helloyo | Tigger_: ok, i'll give it a try |
| 06:53.44 | Tigger_ | cool helloyo :) |
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| 06:54.02 | xjkx | how do i nmap 10.x.x.1 ? Like the x would be changing and the 10 and the 1 would be the same in all scans |
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| 06:54.29 | djr_ | 10.1-255.1-255.1 |
| 06:54.39 | Tigger_ | gtg ppl u all TC now and be well :) hoo hoo hoo TTFN! |
| 06:54.41 | peterS | xjkx: I dunno, specifying a netmask of 255.0.0.255 ought to do it, if nmap lets you specify an IP/netmask pair |
| 06:54.48 | hark | xerophyte_:moment.. a bit busy |
| 06:54.57 | ruben | stoned: ok now I've installed debian. How do I get a desktop? |
| 06:55.27 | helloyo | my wifi card is coming up under lspci but not in ifconfig |
| 06:55.39 | xerophyte_ | hark thx .. let please msg me when you are free .. i really appreciate |
| 06:56.12 | lando | ruben: what desktop do u want? |
| 06:56.41 | VonFluffy | su |
| 06:56.51 | VonFluffy | ouch i almost typed my password in irc |
| 06:56.54 | lando | ha |
| 06:57.05 | ruben | hmm, I'm not sure. Is kde a good choice? |
| 06:57.24 | ruben | Can I install many desktops? |
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| 06:57.31 | lando | ruben: yep |
| 06:57.33 | VonFluffy | ruben: as many as you like |
| 06:57.35 | xjkx | djr_, wtf does it mean 'Strange read error from 10.6.68.1: Transport endpoint is not connected' ? |
| 06:57.37 | peterS | xerophyte_: debian kernels already have the mptsas module enabled. if you can't search through kernel source to find out how to rebuild specific modules ... don't recompile your kernel. |
| 06:58.05 | djr_ | xjkx: Really dont know |
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| 06:59.17 | xerophyte_ | PeterS i am not worried about mptsas modules i want to know how to find lsmod out with corresponding option .. |
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| 06:59.30 | xerophyte_ | PeterS if you don't x .. please dont do y .. does not cut much |
| 06:59.38 | djr_ | xjkx: http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2006/q2/0022.html |
| 06:59.56 | xjkx | ty |
| 07:00.25 | ruben | Do most people install all the desktop environments listed? |
| 07:01.02 | djr_ | ruben: no |
| 07:01.25 | ruben | Is there a recommended choice? |
| 07:01.35 | pstickne | I like my KDE/GTK hybrid... |
| 07:01.39 | pstickne | err, gnome |
| 07:02.11 | hark | xerophyte_: find -type f -name Makefile | xargs grep module_name |
| 07:02.27 | hark | gives me CONFIG_FUSION_SAS |
| 07:02.40 | hark | for mtsas |
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| 07:02.57 | hark | *mptsas |
| 07:03.04 | djr_ | doesnt find rquire a path? |
| 07:03.09 | xerophyte_ | hark perfect, thx |
| 07:03.10 | pstickne | ruben, just try them until you find one that you like ... if you have the resources, I think KDE is the most 'windows friendly' although XFCE is nice and GNOME reminds you of a padded mental ward cell. |
| 07:03.12 | djr_ | find . -type f -name Makefile | xargs grep |
| 07:03.12 | hark | of course |
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| 07:03.58 | hark | no, do it, say in your headers directory |
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| 07:04.13 | hark | back to work now .. |
| 07:04.57 | peterS | hark: don't waste your time with him. I already told him exactly the same answer and he ignored me. |
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| 07:10.32 | kottlett | hi! do I encounter network problems, or is http://www.de.debian.org/ down? |
| 07:11.07 | pinx | kottlett: did you try a ping? |
| 07:11.10 | peterS | kottlett: 64 bytes from www.de.debian.org (141.76.2.5): icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=160 ms |
| 07:11.32 | djr_ | 4 bytes from www.de.debian.org (141.76.2.5): icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=49.1 ms |
| 07:11.38 | djr_ | 64* |
| 07:12.02 | kottlett | hm.... From Frankfurt1.belwue.de (129.143.1.22) icmp_seq=1 Time to live exceeded - ok, seems to be my network o_O |
| 07:12.12 | djr_ | heh |
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| 07:12.28 | djr_ | traceroute and paste to me pls |
| 07:12.34 | pinx | from New Zealand - 64 bytes from www.de.debian.org (141.76.2.5): icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=450 ms |
| 07:12.52 | kottlett | djr_: where are you? |
| 07:12.56 | djr_ | .se |
| 07:13.40 | hark | peterS: ah, sorry. just read the lastlog |
| 07:14.02 | Azar | I had freezes today too when I did an update request, germany is my source |
| 07:14.16 | Azar | some 15 hours ago |
| 07:15.05 | pinx | djr_: you aren't pingable |
| 07:15.07 | Azar | hopefully has nothing to do with the market plunge :) |
| 07:15.18 | djr_ | pinx: I drop echo's |
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| 07:15.27 | xerophyte_ | hark, thx again, do you know how can i find the description for the config option CONFIG_FUSION_SAS ? |
| 07:15.33 | kottlett | hm... actually looks quite ok http://www.belwue.de/netzstatus/ |
| 07:15.36 | djr_ | pinx: try some other icmp protocol or tcp ping me |
| 07:15.55 | djr_ | xerophyte_: in menuconfig, press "?" to get more info |
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| 07:16.45 | xerophyte_ | djr_, yes just wondering if i can find way grep the description for certain configuration option |
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| 07:17.17 | djr_ | the description is avail in the documentation |
| 07:17.36 | djr_ | and prolly on most google.com searches |
| 07:18.54 | peterS | it's called kernel source, go read it. this stuff is _not_ hard to find if you are at least a tiny bit familiar with how the source is structured |
| 07:19.13 | kottlett | djr_: got it... the packages bounce between frankfurt and mannheim :-/ |
| 07:19.28 | djr_ | kottlett: stuck in two routers? |
| 07:19.51 | kottlett | looks like... the trace spins between the two |
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| 07:20.45 | djr_ | happens to my isp quite often |
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| 07:22.10 | xerophyte_ | djr_, this worked little find . -type f -name Kconfig | xargs grep FUSION_SAS -A 10 |
| 07:22.53 | Azar | kottlett: it happened the same to me few hours ago, I am using also a .de source |
| 07:23.12 | djr_ | kottlett: can u show me the route? |
| 07:23.20 | djr_ | kottlett: pastebin.us then privmsg or something |
| 07:23.35 | peterS | if you're using privmsg why bother with a pastebin |
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| 07:23.55 | djr_ | true :p |
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| 07:24.28 | kottlett | djr_: I'm sitting in a university in germany, and the route actually isn't getting out the network of german universities |
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| 07:27.38 | Azar | hehe a virtual Richard Stallman tool! |
| 07:28.16 | Azar | Once installed, Virtual Richard M. Stallman checks the operating system for non-free software and prints out a list |
| 07:28.33 | Azar | cool too bad is not packaged for Debian |
| 07:29.12 | peterS | true, I wish we had a 'vrms' package |
| 07:29.44 | Azar | guess who has it? |
| 07:29.58 | Azar | who needs it most? ubuntu |
| 07:30.02 | Azar | http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?src=rss&id=1385 |
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| 07:31.01 | Azar | heck I am gonna try apt-get install vrms |
| 07:32.46 | Azar | :) not only installed but it already found 5 non-free packages! |
| 07:33.09 | Azar | 3 nvidia 1 rar and 1 tome |
| 07:34.00 | Azar | and I can take tome out since I really don't play it |
| 07:34.00 | Azar | I don't remember installing rar, never used it.. |
| 07:34.09 | Azar | maybe came with something else |
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| 07:34.54 | stoned | http://demo.1976design.com/dropshadows/cat.gif <-- =D |
| 07:35.40 | stoned | it almost looks alive! |
| 07:35.54 | Azar | haha |
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| 07:37.45 | concept10 | stoffell, http://rudd-o.com/wp-content/uploads/images/funny/Ceiling_cat_is_watching_you_masturbate.jpg |
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| 07:39.14 | Azar | haha |
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| 07:40.03 | concept10 | funniest cat picture ever |
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| 07:46.39 | eshaase | what is libXm.so.3? |
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| 07:48.41 | hark | motif stuff |
| 07:49.03 | hark | !find libXm.so.3 |
| 07:49.06 | Azar | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+libXm.so.3&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 07:49.52 | Azar | non-free? eww |
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| 07:53.49 | peterS | Azar: yes, it's owned by ... wait for it ... The Open Group. ha ha ha. |
| 07:54.21 | peterS | when motif became OpenMotif, I guess the licensing situation improved somewhat ... but not enough |
| 07:54.40 | ruben | I installed kde with aptitude. Now how do I run it as my desktop? |
| 07:54.56 | peterS | simplest way: install 'kdm' to go with it |
| 07:56.03 | Azar | isn't that a bugger that now all take "open" word as being like the latest clothing fashion and shamelessly use it on their proprietary, commercial products? |
| 07:57.05 | peterS | well, historically they have a reason to use the term. they mean 'open standard', referring to X11. |
| 07:57.23 | Azar | peterS: I stoped being fooled by anything that selfproclaims as "open" I know many comercial products avoid using the word "free" so not to give false impression to customers |
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| 07:57.37 | peterS | doesn't mean all X servers and libraries are open source, it just means they talk to each other using well-documented protocols published in a long series of O'Reilly books |
| 07:58.20 | peterS | so don't be fooled by OpenVMS either, e.g. |
| 07:58.21 | Azar | peterS: is the xorg the free source variant to xfree ? |
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| 07:58.35 | Azar | what is a VMS? |
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| 07:58.45 | maddash | !vms |
| 07:58.45 | dpkg | [vms] a stable, secure, reliable OS from DEC, that runs on VAX and Alpha or older than areess64 by about 10 years. or rather confusing for someone thats only used *nix boxes |
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| 07:59.01 | Azar | ah I see |
| 07:59.18 | peterS | Azar: xorg is the heir to the "Sample Implementation" of X11. the SI has always been free software. but most Unix vendors (and VMS for that matter) ship proprietary X11 systems, which just happen to be _based on_ the Sample Implementation originally written at MIT |
| 07:59.32 | Azar | well now that we managed to get the first linuxBios motherboard their asses will be on fire |
| 07:59.48 | peterS | !vms =~ s/VAX and Alpha/VAX, Alpha and Itanium/ |
| 07:59.48 | dpkg | peterS: OK |
| 08:00.41 | peterS | !vms =~ s/DEC/Digital (now HP)/ |
| 08:00.41 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 08:01.26 | Azar | hmm that why the vrms was mentioning xfree86 as non-free |
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| 08:02.10 | Azar | peterS: did you see on the news the fall of the market? |
| 08:02.14 | peterS | Azar: xfree86 may or may not actually be non-free. XFree86 4.4.0 and newer have a license which is probably still free, but is no longer compatible with the GPL. which means you can't have a GPL program using an X11 library. which is a rather common situation. |
| 08:02.14 | maddash | !wdm |
| 08:02.14 | dpkg | i guess wdm is at http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ (xdm replacement) or to fix, apt-get install wdm |
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| 08:02.33 | maddash | !wdm =~ s/fix/install/ |
| 08:02.34 | dpkg | maddash: OK |
| 08:02.36 | maddash | !wdm |
| 08:02.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, wdm is at http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ (xdm replacement) or to install, apt-get install wdm |
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| 08:02.53 | ruben | It appears I must run kdm as root... |
| 08:02.53 | Azar | mister maddash nice slides on etch |
| 08:03.25 | maddash | Azar: hi there. "nice slides"? |
| 08:04.02 | Azar | maddash: either your nick is similar with the authors' on the latest slides presentations about etch's progresss |
| 08:04.27 | Azar | ouch, sorry not similar, my bad |
| 08:04.41 | maddash | Azar: :P "mad dash to med school" |
| 08:05.17 | Azar | anyways.. where was I? oh.. it seems that the servers used on international trades were stuffed with requests and the numbers started rolling like 200/second... |
| 08:05.36 | peterS | Azar: history of the X sample implementation: written at MIT and elsewhere, then an industry consortium full of Unix vendors formed to support it (the X Consortium, "x.org"), then the X Consortium sort of dissolved and The Open Group took its place. XFree86 was a fork from a long time ago that kept up with x.org development. Then the XFree86 4.4.0 license fiasco came about, and the world got pissed off at XFree86 ... |
| 08:05.41 | Azar | dash as in boulder dash? |
| 08:05.42 | peterS | ... (specifically lead developer David Dawes) and somehow convinced The Open Group to give the x.org domain to freedesktop.org, so the XFree86 fork now known as 'xorg' is the official sample implementation now, and the original code that XFree86 was based on is effectively gone away. So is that confusing enough yet? |
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| 08:06.42 | Azar | wow, thanks for the info peterS |
| 08:07.32 | Azar | so they kicked xfree86 for good! :) |
| 08:07.40 | maddash | !wdm ~= s/install,/install it from the repository:/ |
| 08:07.48 | Azar | they stuffed the licence on their mouth : there eat now |
| 08:08.15 | maddash | s/licence/license/g |
| 08:08.37 | Azar | funny you know how is called a lawyer in spanish? "licenciado" |
| 08:08.41 | peterS | Azar: we voted with our feet. all major Linux vendors moved away from xfree86 as quickly as we could, when the 4.4.0 license thing (the "XOz license") happened. I forget when the Open Group separated itself from the responsibility of maintaining the X sample implementation and gave away the x.org domain. |
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| 08:09.17 | Azar | that's so cool |
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| 08:10.50 | maddash | Azar: "licenciado"? aren't they called "abogados"? |
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| 08:11.49 | peterS | Azar: you want to know the really funny part? a few years _before_ XFree86 4.4.0, a very very similar thing happened: the current Sample Implementation was X11R6.3, and The Open Group was about to release X11R6.4, when they decided they would restrict the license. XFree86 immediately said "screw you guys, we'll take X11R6.3 and go from there". The Open Group realised that most of the _real_ innovation in X11 was ... |
| 08:11.56 | peterS | ... happening in XFree86, so this would be pretty serious. So they backed down and released X11R6.4 with the same license as X11R6.3. So ... a few years later, when XFree86 tried to pull a very similar trick, I was amazed - they should have learned the lesson from what they did to The Open Group. |
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| 08:15.06 | OmnipotentEntity | Is there a HOWTO on getting flash to work on a amd64 system? |
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| 08:15.59 | VonFluffy | OmnipotentEntity: install nspluginwrapper or get a 32bit browser |
| 08:17.03 | OmnipotentEntity | VonFluffy, is that in the default repo? |
| 08:17.20 | VonFluffy | OmnipotentEntity: its not open source so i doubt it |
| 08:17.51 | ruben | help. I installed a package but chose some wrong options whilst installing it. Can I go back and change them without reinstalling the package? |
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| 08:18.31 | OmnipotentEntity | ??? http://freshmeat.net/projects/nspluginwrapper/ This says it's GPLed. |
| 08:18.57 | djr_ | ruben: what package manager? |
| 08:19.07 | tarzeau | has someone got a mirror of the hp web jetadmin software? |
| 08:19.25 | ruben | Well I ran this command as root: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 08:19.44 | ruben | djr_: does that answer your question? |
| 08:19.59 | maddash | ruben: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:20.17 | ruben | maddash: what is xserver-xorg? |
| 08:20.51 | maddash | ruben: X11 |
| 08:21.22 | Azar | hello mr tarzeau |
| 08:21.28 | ruben | maddash: i see. Why not: dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system? |
| 08:21.40 | maddash | ruben: i think that's just a dummy pkg |
| 08:21.54 | peterS | ruben: well, we just happen to know that xserver-xorg is one of the packages pulled in by 'x-window-system', and 'xserver-xorg' is the package that has the actual config questions you are most likely talking about |
| 08:22.00 | tarzeau | hi Azar |
| 08:22.26 | Azar | tarzeau: last week I read about a job that fits your hobby: game rater |
| 08:22.35 | ruben | unfortunately it says this: xserver-xorg is not installed |
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| 08:22.47 | tarzeau | Azar: where? |
| 08:22.49 | peterS | ruben: oh so you have debian 3.1 - in that case the package in question was named "xserver-xfree86" |
| 08:23.00 | Azar | tarzeau: somewhere on some news site, if you want I can go look |
| 08:23.02 | tarzeau | Azar: i doubt it's about free software -- my main interest is in free software, not games |
| 08:23.13 | maddash | how does openssh generate a RSA fingerprint for a remote host? |
| 08:23.29 | Azar | tarzeau: true, was some company in NY needing badly people full time to play games |
| 08:23.38 | peterS | maddash: uh ... it doesn't generate one, it gets the public key from the remote host |
| 08:24.14 | maddash | peterS: where does in the OpenSSH doc does it say this? |
| 08:24.28 | peterS | I don't know whether it says this |
| 08:24.34 | Azar | tarzeau: did you try the Virtual RMS ? :) |
| 08:24.37 | ruben | Thanks that got me back to the questions... but it skipped the question about whether I want it to autodetect my video card. So is there a way to get that question back? |
| 08:24.44 | peterS | but obviously it can't just _guess_ the remote host key, it has to be told this by the remote host |
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| 08:25.11 | peterS | ruben: that question _might_ be in 'xserver-common'. I cannot recall right now. |
| 08:25.30 | maddash | peterS: client doesn't have to guess - could simply use a hash of the hosts' ip or mac addr, theoretically |
| 08:25.51 | peterS | maddash: if the client has already been told what the host key is, then yes, it knows. if not, it doesn't know. |
| 08:26.18 | maddash | peterS: so under what conditions would the remote host's RSA print change? |
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| 08:26.24 | peterS | maddash: if you already told the client about the server's host key, then the client reads that and compares the two when you connect, to make sure you're getting to the host you think you're getting to |
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| 08:27.05 | unlink | despite being set to go to my homepage when it starts up, iceweasel instead goes to http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/ |
| 08:27.35 | peterS | maddash: the remote host key changes in 3 circumstances: (1) the administrator changed the key for reasons unknown; (2) the machine itself moved to different hardware or was reinstalled for other reasons, and the key was regenerated; (3) you're reaching the wrong host because some joker hacked an Internet router to redirect your packets for his own evil purposes |
| 08:27.35 | VonFluffy | unlink: time to spank the weasel with a stick? |
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| 08:27.50 | atlas95 | hello |
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| 08:27.56 | atlas95 | someone use initng please? |
| 08:27.59 | ruben | peterS: nope unfortunately xserver-common was not it. Any other suggestions? |
| 08:28.06 | atlas95 | dhcdbd seems to be bugged |
| 08:28.10 | peterS | maddash: case (3) is the reason ssh has to check the host key to make sure it's the same as the client was told earlier |
| 08:28.15 | atlas95 | I can't start networkmanager |
| 08:28.21 | peterS | maddash: in fact that's the reason hosts _have_ keys in the first place |
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| 08:28.47 | yang | how can I set wtmp to log everything, and not restart on reboot? |
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| 08:29.34 | peterS | ruben: hmmm, that question seems to be in 'xserver-xorg' on my system, so 'xserver-xfree86' should be correct. |
| 08:30.34 | ruben | peterS: well xserver-xfree86 skips over the question about do I want to autodetect my video card it seems.. |
| 08:30.42 | peterS | yes, you said that already |
| 08:31.00 | peterS | I don't use the debian version you have installed, so I can't easily check on it |
| 08:31.05 | xixor | howdy |
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| 08:32.05 | maddash | peterS: it's also the reason why i'm asking this. i've been periodically accessing my school's sshD the past few times without a hitch. but when i tried again today, ssh panicked about fingerprint changes |
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| 08:32.22 | scx | !hashima |
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| 08:33.00 | peterS | maddash: well it either means you're connecting to a different ssh server than your client was expecting, or the server has been reinstalled (and the host keys not restored from the old install). |
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| 08:33.48 | tarzeau | Azar: of course. |
| 08:34.05 | tarzeau | Azar: i'm quite far away from NY, besides i've got a great debian job |
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| 08:34.31 | Azar | wow nice, tarzeau |
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| 08:35.12 | christianp | hi all |
| 08:35.43 | christianp | i'm installing flashplayer plugin for iceweasel 2.0.0.1 on my amd64 etch debian box. I copied .so into /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins and .xpt into /usr/lib/iceweasel/components but the plugins seems non to work. Does i t depend from the architecture (64)? Is there a way to make my iceweasel working? thanks |
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| 08:36.27 | Gnea | okay, got a bit of a networking/web problem... i can surf web pages from the firewall system just fine, but any system behind it cannot. nothing's changed, and i've restarted squid and reloaded firewall settings and checked forwarding and all of that ... everything else works, but web browsing does not... using iceweasel 2.0 |
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| 08:36.49 | tarzeau | Gnea: tried sniffing on the gateway? |
| 08:37.03 | tarzeau | Gnea: does the browser send requests at all? do they arrive? |
| 08:37.12 | Azar | Gnea maybe the port is blocked by the firewall? |
| 08:37.53 | ruben | Ok. I believe I have installed and configured kde and x-window-system correctly. But I still don't know how to get a nice desktop running. If I run kdeinit it says Aborting: $DISPLAY is not set. What do I do now? |
| 08:37.56 | Gnea | tarzeau: i can telnet to port 80 just fine |
| 08:37.56 | peterS | christianp: that's really a question for whoever built your flash player plugin - Adobe, perhaps? they should tell you whether or not they support the amd64 architecture. I've heard that they do not, but I have not checked for myself. |
| 08:38.01 | Azar | or give iceweasel rights to go? |
| 08:38.03 | Gnea | Azar: it's not. |
| 08:38.17 | Gnea | no, i disabled squid and made it go direct, same thing |
| 08:38.36 | peterS | ruben: I told you an hour ago, try installing kdm |
| 08:38.54 | peterS | ruben: failing that, try the 'startkde' command |
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| 08:39.30 | Supaplex | if anyone has and background with bcdedit (vista bootloder), please join me in ##bcdedit (it's OT for debian imo) TIA. |
| 08:39.33 | tarzeau | Gnea: can you run a sniffer? ngrep or tcpdump port 80 ? |
| 08:39.33 | Azar | Gnea: is the firewall set up to let the browser go in both directions? |
| 08:39.36 | Supaplex | and/any/ |
| 08:39.46 | christianp | peterS: i try installing it forcing architecture, but it seems not to work anyway |
| 08:39.47 | christianp | :( |
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| 08:40.02 | peterS | christianp: if they don't support amd64, they don't support amd64. not much we can do about it, complain to Adobe |
| 08:40.20 | Gnea | Azar: yes. |
| 08:40.22 | christianp | ok, thanks :) |
| 08:40.38 | Gnea | tarzeau: working on that |
| 08:40.41 | tarzeau | peterS: is that the case? would be nice to have in the faq |
| 08:40.44 | peterS | christianp: I've _heard_ that you can run a 32-bit version of firefox / iceweasel, if you go to a lot of trouble - then your non-Debian plugins will work. but since I don't have an amd64 and I don't use iceweasel, I can't really tell you any details about that |
| 08:40.46 | Azar | so is not the browser affected, the systems behind the firewall using it are, right? |
| 08:40.56 | tarzeau | peterS: ah true, the compaq libs (32bit) |
| 08:41.19 | christianp | ok, peterS |
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| 08:41.35 | ruben | peterS: kdm is already installed |
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| 08:42.48 | peterS | ruben: did it not start after it was installed? try "/etc/init.d/kdm start" as root |
| 08:42.50 | ruben | peterS: startkde says xsetroot: unable to open display '' |
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| 08:44.04 | Gnea | wtf... it just started working again |
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| 08:44.15 | Azar | Adobe has said for a while now that there won't be a 64 bit version of flash 9. |
| 08:44.16 | Gnea | tarzeau / Azar: must've been something the ISP was doing |
| 08:44.21 | Gnea | works fine now |
| 08:44.31 | maddash | ruben: you'll need to export XAUTHORITY=/home/user/.Xauthorty for root's .bashrc |
| 08:44.33 | Azar | Gnea :) cool |
| 08:44.49 | scx | anyone here has Quake4 in Debian ? |
| 08:44.58 | xand | !anyone |
| 08:44.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:45.21 | scx | ok, guilty |
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| 08:45.29 | Azar | christianp: tried Gnash? |
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| 08:45.49 | christianp | Azar: yes, but it doesn't work with some sites |
| 08:45.55 | ruben | maddash: what is that supposed to do? |
| 08:45.57 | scx | I want to try Quake4 but I dunno if there's a Linux box or it is just the same Win box plus the installer |
| 08:46.18 | Azar | christianp: well the last I could find out, Adobe flash 9 does not work with 64 |
| 08:46.47 | maddash | ruben: allow root to display your kdm |
| 08:46.55 | scx | so, if anyone here has Q4 can tell me if I just buy the normal box or what |
| 08:47.01 | christianp | Azar: i find nspluginwrapper to use 32bit plugins to amd64... i'm trying |
| 08:47.03 | christianp | thanks |
| 08:47.07 | scx | please :) |
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| 08:49.10 | xixor | mhm... |
| 08:49.18 | xixor | tell xixor about public_key |
| 08:49.29 | xand | !tell xixor about no public key |
| 08:49.57 | ruben | maddash: It didn't seem to be necessary. I'm in kde now. |
| 08:50.01 | xixor | thanks |
| 08:50.26 | maddash | ruben: okey doke. |
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| 08:52.33 | xixor | I picked up a new server today, I am pretty pumped |
| 08:52.34 | suppaman | hi |
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| 08:53.31 | suppaman | I can't have my sshd to accept publickey, it switch back to interactive |
| 08:53.47 | suppaman | this happened some time ago when I did an upgrade (I was in unstable) |
| 08:53.51 | suppaman | now I'm on testing |
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| 08:54.20 | stoned | hey Azar you here.. or there? |
| 08:55.27 | buu | Ok. Just a sanity check. I have a raid5 setup using mdadm. It fails a drive and removes it. I add a new drive then mdadm --add the new drive to the raid. I examine the raid and it shows the new drive as "spare rebuilding" and StatE: clean, degraded, recovering. |
| 08:55.39 | buu | Am I done, or do I need to do something else to restore the original setup? |
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| 08:56.17 | Azar | here :) |
| 08:56.27 | Azar | suppaman: so you upgraded from unstable to testing? |
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| 08:56.35 | suppaman | Azar: quite sort of |
| 08:56.48 | Azar | suppaman: interesting, I never could do that |
| 08:57.00 | suppaman | Azar: I had an unstable of several months ago and I upgraded to testing two weeks ago |
| 08:57.11 | stoned | Azar: check it out |
| 08:57.19 | suppaman | Azar: luckily testing had gone further in the meanwhile |
| 08:57.32 | suppaman | Azar: so nothing breaked up |
| 08:57.55 | stoned | Azar: why not |
| 08:58.07 | Azar | damn the browser page is blank |
| 08:58.09 | suppaman | anyway now I'm getting crazy, I used to have my pub key (I'm on ibook) in authorized on the debian machine and that was really useful |
| 08:58.27 | Azar | I mean I can go to other sites, but that one does not work? |
| 08:58.28 | suppaman | should I make a reconfigure ? I edited the sshd config file and it should be fine |
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| 08:58.40 | stoned | Azar: what browser? |
| 08:58.46 | Azar | suppaman: what you did is unique for my knowledge |
| 08:58.50 | Azar | stoned: firefox |
| 08:58.58 | peterS | buu: that should be all. it'll show the rebuilding progress when you 'cat /proc/mdstat'. if you want to change the amount of disk bandwidth to devote to the rebuild, adjust /proc/sys/dev/raid/* |
| 08:58.58 | karmatronic | hello there |
| 08:59.27 | suppaman | Azar: we discussed it here, I think you were of the party too |
| 08:59.31 | karmatronic | suppaman: what s your problem exactly ? |
| 08:59.34 | suppaman | I could check in xchat logs |
| 08:59.47 | suppaman | karmatronic: I am forced to interactively put in the ssh password |
| 09:00.05 | Azar | suppaman: me? the way I know and did allways was from the stable up to testing and up to unstable.... never backwads |
| 09:00.34 | Azar | suppaman: what you did was backwards and I never tried that stuff as it is said that will not work.. |
| 09:00.34 | suppaman | this is my sshd_config |
| 09:00.35 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/o3VGHD13.html |
| 09:00.43 | buu | peterS: Hrm. It's got 200000 and 1000, am I likely to get more than 200000 out of it? |
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| 09:01.25 | Azar | damn!!! my browser died |
| 09:01.27 | peterS | buu: you tell me whether your disks can do 200 MB/s. most disks can do about 40-50 MB/s. |
| 09:01.37 | Azar | this is the second time I can't see a website |
| 09:01.37 | buu | Heh, well, they are sata |
| 09:01.45 | suppaman | Azar: that was backward speking of hierarchy but it was an evolution talking of package version as my unstable was upgraded to a point many months before |
| 09:01.50 | stoned | Azar: something is wrong with your browser |
| 09:01.53 | buu | But yeah, 200mb/s sounds pretty good. |
| 09:01.58 | suppaman | karmatronic: while I'd like to use my public key |
| 09:01.59 | Azar | stoned: I guess so |
| 09:02.03 | karmatronic | suppaman: you shouldnt allow root login |
| 09:02.03 | xand | buu: 200 millbits? pfft |
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| 09:02.06 | Azar | I will remove it and reinstall |
| 09:02.12 | buu | xand: 2 MILLION BATS. |
| 09:02.14 | xand | +i |
| 09:02.15 | peterS | buu: that's a start. SATA at least gives you a theoretical bandwidth of 150 MB/s. disk technology isn't anywhere near that, though, unless the disks are solid-state flash devices or something |
| 09:02.15 | buu | (per second) |
| 09:02.18 | xand | :O |
| 09:02.24 | Azar | or I can try using links |
| 09:02.34 | buu | peterS: Yeah. And I've got like 4 of them plugged into a single pci slot |
| 09:02.44 | Azar | gotta exit X to check on something |
| 09:02.45 | xixor | hm..so, just did a dist-upgrade to etch, and it boots into a grub prompt now |
| 09:03.08 | karmatronic | suppaman: have you tried generating a new pu/priv key ? |
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| 09:03.11 | suppaman | I did |
| 09:03.14 | peterS | buu: so then you start to run into the PCI limit of 133 MB/s (IIRC). 64-bit and/or 66 MHz PCI will do better than that, as will PCIe and such |
| 09:03.24 | karmatronic | suppaman: and ? |
| 09:03.28 | suppaman | and I then added on the remote host and it doesn't work |
| 09:03.40 | simonrvn | yeh, 133 |
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| 09:03.46 | buu | peterS: Yeah. That's more than fast enough though, I just wanted to make sure it was going as fast as it could. |
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| 09:04.12 | karmatronic | suppaman: if you re connecting from a unix box you can use ssh -vvv to get infos on why public key doesnt work |
| 09:04.18 | peterS | right, the 200 MB/s kernel speed limit most likely is _not_ your limiting factor |
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| 09:04.44 | suppaman | mmm |
| 09:04.45 | suppaman | debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /Users/suppa/.ssh/id_rsa. |
| 09:04.59 | suppaman | it's my ibook so I think it's a unix box after all |
| 09:05.00 | peterS | suppaman: ~/.ssh/config: "Protocol 2" |
| 09:05.35 | peterS | suppaman: ssh RSA1 keys are usually named "~/.ssh/identity" |
| 09:05.49 | suppaman | I think it's rsa 2 |
| 09:05.53 | karmatronic | suppaman: generate a new pair but put them a name |
| 09:06.04 | peterS | yeah, protocol 2 keys are usually called .ssh/id_rsa and .ssh/id_dsa. |
| 09:06.10 | suppaman | I never had identity before, I always used id_rsa and id_rsa.pub |
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| 09:06.32 | peterS | suppaman: so use "Protocol 2" in .ssh/config to force protocol 2. something tried to use protocol 1, it seems. |
| 09:06.44 | suppaman | peterS: should I add Protocol2 to my client ssh config ? |
| 09:06.51 | suppaman | wait would you like to see a -vvv output ? |
| 09:06.52 | peterS | that's what I just said. twice. |
| 09:06.58 | peterS | maybe I should continue to repeat myself? |
| 09:07.02 | morand | installed nagios2, got msg : Starting nagios2 monitoring daemon: nagios2. In the log, i get : SERVICE ALERT: localhost;HTTP;CRITICAL;SOFT;1;Connection refused. anyone here can help? |
| 09:07.14 | simonrvn | nah, i understood you just fine peterS ;p |
| 09:07.19 | karmatronic | suppaman: just generate a new pair and with a proper output file |
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| 09:07.30 | suppaman | peterS: I'd like to hear it one more time :-) |
| 09:07.40 | peterS | suppaman: see Figure 1. |
| 09:07.47 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 09:08.07 | peterS | (google that phrase, if you don't already know what I mean by it.) |
| 09:08.33 | peterS | google://"see figure 1" first hit is a winner |
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| 09:08.41 | peterS | (using the quotes) |
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| 09:09.05 | suppaman | I suspect to know already what it means |
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| 09:09.21 | suppaman | I knew in fact |
| 09:09.39 | peterS | it's a classic, though, quite funny stuff. http://www.dourish.com/goodies/see-figure-1.html |
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| 09:11.12 | suppaman | finger apart it doesn't work |
| 09:11.29 | suppaman | karmatronic: do you think name matters ? or better do you think standard names don't work ? |
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| 09:12.27 | karmatronic | standard names work |
| 09:12.38 | karmatronic | but if you have multiple ssh hosts |
| 09:12.43 | simonrvn | ,.|.. <-- one-liner |
| 09:12.50 | suppaman | indeed they used to do |
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| 09:13.15 | karmatronic | suppaman: if you have multiple hosts , you get sure you re using the right keys |
| 09:13.22 | suppaman | karmatronic: $ ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 09:13.22 | mark123 | hi, is there a php4-mysqli package for debian anywhere? |
| 09:13.47 | karmatronic | suppaman: yeah , and when you re asked for an output name file |
| 09:13.55 | suppaman | karmatronic: aren't key client-centric ? how could I have multiple hosts ? |
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| 09:14.02 | suppaman | s/key/keys/ |
| 09:14.16 | xixor | hey everyone, I am wondering if anyone can give me a quick hand with grub. After a reboot my system boots direclty into a grub shell, trying to install it to boot to hda1 |
| 09:14.26 | suppaman | karmatronic: anyway I'm calling private ibook_rsa |
| 09:15.01 | peterS | suppaman: I use a different key for each system I ssh to. I then put things like this in .ssh/config: Host svn.debian.org User peters-guest IdentityFile ~/.ssh/id_alioth |
| 09:15.10 | karmatronic | suppaman: actually you should name itafter the ssh servers you re gonna connect to |
| 09:15.14 | peterS | (those are separate lines) |
| 09:15.55 | peterS | karmatronic: not really a big deal, I only do it because it's easy. I wouldn't really worry about it, it's not like someone on the server can figure out your client key. the magic of rsa. |
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| 09:16.45 | suppaman | karmatronic: right, it has a sense |
| 09:17.07 | karmatronic | suppaman: i m not saying it s your problem |
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| 09:17.39 | karmatronic | suppaman: the only thing is that from the error message you put before , it seemed like the client rsa file wasnt found |
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| 09:17.51 | suppaman | actually I connect only to two hosts, one frequently and the other very rarely |
| 09:17.53 | karmatronic | suppaman: so i told you to name it well to get sure |
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| 09:17.58 | suppaman | I understand |
| 09:18.08 | karmatronic | suppaman: anyway , you have to |
| 09:18.20 | karmatronic | suppaman: 1 generate the pair from the client host |
| 09:18.21 | suppaman | so now I have to say ssh to use that key, lyke peterS said |
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| 09:18.34 | suppaman | like |
| 09:18.49 | karmatronic | 2 copy the public key generated to the server |
| 09:18.50 | peterS | suppaman: I am curious why your client tried to use id_rsa with protocol 1. This should _never_ happen. Unless you specifically tell it to use the 'id_rsa' key, with a command line option or something. |
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| 09:19.11 | n0rus | I'am trying to install debian from a usb stick. So far it boots fine and loads the kernel. The machine does not have any cd-roms attached and the installer says that no cd-roms were found and the installation cannot continue. How do I solve this problem? |
| 09:19.28 | karmatronic | suppaman: have you copied the ssh public key generated to the ssh server |
| 09:19.50 | suppaman | I have |
| 09:19.52 | peterS | karmatronic: shhh, let him answer my question first. why was it trying to use id_rsa with protocol 1 |
| 09:20.05 | peterS | it should never do that unless you tell it to, and why would you tell it to |
| 09:20.28 | suppaman | peterS: how can you say my client was doing that ? |
| 09:20.35 | cydork | n0rus: you need a iso image on the usb stick.. |
| 09:20.42 | peterS | suppaman: you told us it tried to read id_rsa and complained that it was not an RSA1 key. |
| 09:20.44 | yang | how can I set wtmp to log everything, and not restart on reboot? |
| 09:20.58 | n0rus | cydork: I have the following image on the stick: debian-31r5-i386-netinst.is |
| 09:21.01 | n0rus | debian-31r5-i386-netinst.iso |
| 09:21.04 | suppaman | peterS: here's the output -vvv before adding Protocol 2 to .ssh/config http://rafb.net/p/RdZ5eL84.html |
| 09:21.08 | peterS | suppaman: that tells me that it was trying to use protocol 1 and also trying to use the 'id_rsa' key name instead of the 'identity' key name like it normally does. so I'm wondering why it would do that. |
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| 09:22.04 | peterS | suppaman: aha! so it's _not_ an error message, just a debug message. never mind, then. |
| 09:22.12 | suppaman | karmatronic: I have ibook_rsa.pub on my server, now I have to append it to authorized_keys, don't I ? |
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| 09:22.25 | karmatronic | right |
| 09:22.31 | suppaman | peterS: yes, I _can_ connect but I'm forced to interactive and I don't want to |
| 09:22.42 | karmatronic | suppaman: you can also use ssh-copy-id to do it directly from the client |
| 09:22.56 | Edward_TLS | "e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO" <-- what is TSO for.. ? |
| 09:23.06 | ruben | I'm running kde in Debian 3.1 on an iBook. Does anyone know how to configure the trackpad (eg speed and tapping)? |
| 09:23.10 | suppaman | karmatronic: nice, actually authorized_keys has just one entry (my previous key) so I can just rename ibook_rsa.pub |
| 09:23.16 | peterS | suppaman: if you don't want to force protocol 2, you can generate a protocol 1 key as well: 'ssh-keygen -trsa1' and accept the default filename of ~/.ssh/identity |
| 09:23.45 | suppaman | karmatronic: $ cp ibook_rsa.pub authorized_keys |
| 09:23.47 | karmatronic | suppaman: from you debug file , i insist that it seems that you didnt properly generate the rsa file |
| 09:23.59 | suppaman | karmatronic: ok let's check that then |
| 09:24.01 | peterS | Edward_TLS: TCP segmentation offloading, I suspect |
| 09:24.10 | pinx | any experts on automount here? I've installed it and amended /etc/auto.master and /etc/auto.misc with the mount info for my USB cardreader, but it's doing anything when I plug the device in. Anyone help? |
| 09:24.22 | suppaman | now I have to say my client to use ibook_rsa key |
| 09:24.28 | suppaman | so I edit .ssh/config |
| 09:24.48 | karmatronic | ok |
| 09:25.02 | Edward_TLS | peterS, I got it.. ;) I'll check wikipedia for it.. ;) |
| 09:25.42 | peterS | Edward_TLS: wow, that was a wild guess and I got it right. well, not a _wild_ guess, it was an educated guess. |
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| 09:25.58 | suppaman | and add: Host remotehostname |
| 09:26.31 | Edward_TLS | peterS, When large chunks of data are to be sent over a computer network, they need to be first broken down to smaller segments that can pass through all the network elements like routers and switches between the source and destination computers. This process is referred to as segmentation. Segmentation is often done by the TCP protocol in the host computer. Offloading this work to the network card is called TCP segmentation offload (TSO) |
| 09:26.36 | pinx | peterS: you want to take a wild, educated guess at my automount problem? ;-) |
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| 09:26.50 | peterS | Edward_TLS: thank you for cutting and pasting from some web site |
| 09:27.00 | Edward_TLS | wikipedia hehe.. |
| 09:27.09 | suppaman | karmatronic: and IdentityFile $HOME/.ssh/ibook_rsa (i have moved the key there) |
| 09:27.24 | peterS | if I didn't already have an idea of what TCP segmentation offloading is, I wouldn't have known to call it that |
| 09:27.27 | Edward_TLS | peterS, wikipedia |
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| 09:27.36 | peterS | Edward_TLS: you already said that, thanks |
| 09:27.36 | Edward_TLS | hehe |
| 09:27.43 | peterS | Edward_TLS: you already said _that_ too, thanks |
| 09:28.03 | mark123 | xit |
| 09:28.05 | Edward_TLS | peterS, ok I'll get back to my work now.. |
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| 09:28.10 | suppaman | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interactive |
| 09:28.10 | suppaman | debug1: Next authentication method: publickey |
| 09:28.10 | suppaman | debug1: Trying private key: $HOME/.ssh/ibook_rsa |
| 09:28.10 | suppaman | debug1: Next authentication method: keyboard-interactive |
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| 09:28.29 | suppaman | I tought 4 rows were legit |
| 09:28.32 | peterS | no |
| 09:28.35 | peterS | 2 rows is legit |
| 09:28.44 | suppaman | I'd have bet 3 :-) |
| 09:28.48 | peterS | at least according to some of us. some people would say 1. |
| 09:28.57 | suppaman | or one half |
| 09:29.03 | simonrvn | o |
| 09:29.07 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 09:29.47 | suppaman | here it is the output <http://rafb.net/p/s43GUM36.html> |
| 09:29.52 | pinx | Help please anyone? |
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| 09:30.18 | suppaman | pinx: I'm sorry I never used automount |
| 09:30.25 | pinx | :( |
| 09:31.12 | zik | quit |
| 09:31.12 | peterS | I've used automount a lot, but not too much under Linux, and I think I mainly used it with NIS |
| 09:31.13 | peterS | also, this was like 10 years ago |
| 09:31.37 | pinx | peterS: am I expectging too much for it to work like Xp or similar - just to be able to plug a dvice in and it to "just work" (tm) |
| 09:31.52 | ruben | help. Does anyone know how to configure an iBook trackpad in Debian? |
| 09:31.55 | suppaman | the point that is getting me crazy is that I can not identify what's actually happening and _why_ my key isn't accepted |
| 09:32.10 | peterS | pinx: automount is not the usual solution for what you want. most people use an unholy combination of software such as udev, dbus and gnome-volume-manager |
| 09:32.21 | suppaman | I can obviously connect to other hosts with the ibook without problems |
| 09:32.24 | pinx | good grief |
| 09:32.37 | cahoot | suppaman: wrong format, wrong perms? |
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| 09:33.25 | suppaman | format of what ? |
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| 09:33.29 | maddash | !find libbusiness-creditcard-perl |
| 09:33.36 | dpkg | libbusiness-creditcard-perl: (Validate/generate credit card checksums/names), section perl, is optional. Version: 0.30-1 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
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| 09:33.39 | peterS | suppaman: sometimes it's file permissions. if either ~, ~/.ssh or ~/.ssh/authorized_keys are group-writable, sshd gets suspicious about them since theoretically someone else might add a key to that file |
| 09:33.58 | peterS | suppaman: also, it's quite easy to misspell "authorized_keys" |
| 09:34.15 | suppaman | I copied the name from the sshd_config to be sure |
| 09:34.39 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know if the nForce 590 SLI MotherBoard will work for linux / debian etch |
| 09:34.48 | suppaman | mm this could be a clue, from the debian machine I cannot connect to any ssh server |
| 09:34.52 | suppaman | I get a "Host key verification failed." |
| 09:34.57 | peterS | suppaman: wait, where does that name appear in sshd_config? it isn't in mine |
| 09:35.28 | suppaman | AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 09:36.00 | peterS | oh, lame. that's already the default location, I wonder why someone tried to override it. |
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| 09:36.20 | suppaman | so it seems that the thing the breaks my incoming connection breaks my outgoing connections too |
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| 09:36.45 | suppaman | I tried three ssh server and I got a"Host key verification failed." everytime |
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| 09:45.45 | suppaman | anyway I'm off now thanks guys |
| 09:45.48 | suppaman | see figure 1 apart |
| 09:45.52 | suppaman | bye |
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| 09:51.29 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 09:57.05 | tarzeau | !debstats |
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| 09:57.37 | tarzeau | who runs debstats again? there seems to be a redirect failed problem |
| 09:57.38 | peterS | sussudio |
| 09:57.38 | cahoot | do they exist? |
| 09:57.38 | tarzeau | peterS: ah, i keep using com instead of org |
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| 09:57.40 | tarzeau | i wonder if anyone tried this patch yet: http://www.webservertalk.com/archive242-2006-12-1751482.html |
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| 10:00.38 | peterS | tarzeau: it's "obviously correct" in the sense that it clearly does exactly what it looks like it does |
| 10:01.40 | GutterPunk | Anyone know of a good SSH GUI client with bookmarks and stuff like that? |
| 10:02.11 | tarzeau | peterS: guess i'll apply it to my kernels then, and hope it gets into linux kernel.org main line |
| 10:02.11 | GutterPunk | Better even, an SSH/SCP frontend tool |
| 10:02.28 | tarzeau | peterS: it's not fixed since .19, .20 and .20.1 at least, and even maybe .18 |
| 10:02.28 | xand | GutterPunk: perhaps putty |
| 10:02.43 | GutterPunk | xand, well that's the windows tool :) |
| 10:02.52 | GutterPunk | but yes, something like that would be great |
| 10:02.53 | xand | GutterPunk: not just windows |
| 10:02.56 | peterS | GutterPunk: putty is in debian |
| 10:02.58 | xand | apt-get install putty |
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| 10:04.27 | peterS | GutterPunk: as for bookmarks and stuff, I put those in ~/.ssh/config. so for example I can type 'ssh alioth' and it applies all my alioth settings and goes to alioth.debian.org with my correct username and so forth |
| 10:04.27 | GutterPunk | xand, great... but it's gtk1 :( |
| 10:04.32 | peterS | GutterPunk: openssh doesn't include a gui but the config file certainly qualifies as 'bookmark' support, in my book |
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| 10:04.46 | GutterPunk | peterS, yes, but I'd like to switch between sessions without using a bunch of terminales |
| 10:05.21 | peterS | GutterPunk: oh, I tend to use 'screen' when I need to do lots of things at once and still keep my terminals tidy |
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| 10:05.51 | peterS | you can have an arbitrary number of terminals inside a single screen session that uses a single xterm |
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| 10:08.01 | GutterPunk | peterS, I'll try that. good idea :) |
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| 10:08.02 | karsten | GutterPunk: screen rawks. |
| 10:08.03 | karsten | .... and it goes "ni!" |
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| 10:08.04 | peterS | karsten: I keep a subset of my .ssh/config at http://p12n.org/tmp/ssh.config for illustrative purposes |
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| 10:10.40 | GutterPunk | peterS, I know about that stuff, but I'm always using ssh root@blabla.com -p2406 and so on... time to change all that :) |
| 10:10.55 | GutterPunk | gonna look at your config |
| 10:11.13 | peterS | GutterPunk: heh, indeed. if you always use the same port number and the same username, may as well put it in the config file (along with a shorter alias for the hostname) |
| 10:12.15 | ole | hi, I just installed a firewall for my home lan using and old computer, I was just wondering if there is any way to make it provide QoS features and priority to certain type of traffic such as web |
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| 10:12.26 | ruben | I'm trying to get Debian on my iBook to play sound. How do I do this? |
| 10:12.28 | peterS | GutterPunk: btw, the "ServerAliveInterval" line you see in my example config is a workaround for a stupid NAT box that times out TCP connections that idle for too long |
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| 10:12.48 | tralala | I have two different ISPs and two different routers which are on the same LAN. R1 runs linux and R2 is a cisco. R1 is accessible via its ISP (for ssh) but I want it accessible via R2 as well. My problem is that I don't know how to tell R1 to route the connection initiated through R2 via R2. Can anybody suggest a way to do it? |
| 10:12.51 | peterS | GutterPunk: ...just a side note, in case you've ever had that happen to you |
| 10:13.24 | Coke | I'm trying to setup an IPP compatible printer on the network, I set it to ipp://192.168.0.195/printers/lp0 ,but I'm not sure that's the right URL. The IP is correct, how do I find out what the complete URL should look like? Currently, CUPS says the printer is online and accepting jobs, but it doesn't print any jobs and there's nothing in the error_log. |
| 10:15.19 | peterS | Coke: maybe 'lpinfo -h 192.168.0.195 -v'? I'm not sure if that will work |
| 10:15.19 | GutterPunk | peterS, I don't have that problem... but I'll fix it anyway :D |
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| 10:15.26 | ole | tralala, you mean an incoming connection from R1's WAN need to access R2? |
| 10:15.44 | peterS | GutterPunk: well ServerAliveInterval does generate useless traffic, so I only use it for hosts behind stupid NAT routers that make it necessary |
| 10:16.03 | Coke | peterS: lpinfo: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused |
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| 10:16.33 | GutterPunk | peterS, I'll just comment it out for the time being. but when the problem occurs, at least I'll know how to fix it |
| 10:16.38 | GutterPunk | brb |
| 10:16.44 | peterS | Coke: maybe lpstat -h 192.168.0.195 -t? |
| 10:17.28 | Coke | peterS: lpstat: Unable to connect to server |
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| 10:17.40 | Coke | peterS: are you sure those lp commands know how to speak IPP? |
| 10:17.43 | peterS | Coke: so that must be a cups-specific thing too, I thought it was for all of ipp.. |
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| 10:18.05 | Coke | peterS: naw, I think all lp-thingies are cups/lpd |
| 10:18.09 | tralala | ole, actually the other way around - an ssh connection comming from R2's WAN to R1 has to be routed over R2's WAN otherwise it cannot be established |
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| 10:18.39 | peterS | Coke: lpstat is the traditional name for a tool used on a System V print server. but CUPS is not specific to that, it uses IPP and so on |
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| 10:19.08 | Coke | peterS: obviously it doesn't work very well. |
| 10:19.12 | tralala | ole, R2 is doing DNAT wich works fine. The problem is (I suspect) that R1 tries to reply to the connection request over its own WAN instead of routing it through R2 |
| 10:19.22 | cahoot | Coke: is the cups server configged for lan connection? |
| 10:19.24 | Coke | peterS: could I telnet to the printer just to make sure it's actualy listening? |
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| 10:19.44 | peterS | Coke: or point a web browser to it, port 631 |
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| 10:19.50 | Coke | cahoot: I added a printer with the IPP URI ipp://192.168.0.195/printers/lp1 which is not my local computer, so I pressume yes. |
| 10:19.53 | ruben_z | help anyone. How do I get my ibook to play sound running debian? |
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| 10:20.10 | Coke | peterS: unable to connect. |
| 10:20.31 | peterS | Coke: connection refused, or...? also, you cannot seem to decide whether you set up /printers/lp0 or /printers/lp1.... |
| 10:20.51 | cahoot | Coke: http://www.linuxprinting.org/~till/printing-tutorial/tut.html#1_3 |
| 10:21.08 | peterS | IPP is based on HTTP so a web browser client should at least get _something_ back. |
| 10:21.10 | ole | tralala, you should take a look at route command manual page |
| 10:21.25 | ole | seems to be what you need to touch |
| 10:21.30 | Coke | peterS: I read the manual, seems lp queues on this hw is from 1-4 only so I changed it to 1. |
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| 10:23.00 | pinx | peterS: for your information - autofs rocks :D |
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| 10:23.24 | Coke | cahoot: I don't get it, isn't that the ACL's for my local CUPS server? |
| 10:23.39 | peterS | pinx: oh, I didn't realise you were using the non-autofs version of automount (known as amd, I believe). I should've warned you. |
| 10:24.50 | Coke | peterS: Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at 192.168.0.195:631 |
| 10:25.10 | tralala | ole, do you have any particular idea how to set up the route? |
| 10:25.12 | pinx | peterS: it's autofs / automount and it works a treat |
| 10:25.14 | Coke | peterS: telnet says connection refused. |
| 10:25.37 | peterS | Coke: well, connection refused means your remote machine is not in fact running an ipp server. that's supposed to listen on TCP 631. |
| 10:25.38 | Coke | peterS: I can't see anything in the manual that would suggest the printer is listening on port 631 anyways. |
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| 10:25.54 | peterS | I wonder what they mean by ipp compatible, then |
| 10:25.59 | Coke | peterS: me too. |
| 10:26.05 | peterS | try port 515, that's BSD lpd |
| 10:26.06 | Coke | peterS: they even have example URL's |
| 10:26.33 | Coke | peterS: ooh, it connected and gave me an error :) |
| 10:26.43 | Coke | it is also "appletalk" compatible. |
| 10:26.50 | peterS | Coke: and there's always good old raw mode port 9100, which is what I always used to use |
| 10:27.04 | Coke | peterS: it seems the printer has lpd support. |
| 10:27.09 | peterS | (that's for HP JetDirect printers and interfaces, I don't know if other vendors implement it) |
| 10:27.14 | Coke | peterS: the error it gave me was: lpd: invalid command |
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| 10:27.31 | peterS | lpd support should work, but if you have a raw mode (port 9100 or whatever) that's usually simpler to deal with |
| 10:27.33 | Coke | peterS: maybe I can set CUPS up to use lpd? |
| 10:27.37 | jethro | hello |
| 10:27.46 | peterS | yeah, cups can talk to either form |
| 10:27.55 | tenzing_ | !grub recovery |
| 10:28.12 | jethro | is there an equivalent to FreeBSD's daily security output in debian? |
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| 10:28.46 | Coke | peterS: WEEHAW! lpd is working. |
| 10:28.56 | Coke | Wow, great printer buy, supports all the -real- standards, including GS. |
| 10:29.14 | xixor2 | !tell xixor about iceweasel |
| 10:29.18 | Coke | only, it prints the text garbage instead of the actual postscript testpage. |
| 10:29.38 | xixor2 | !tell xixor about firefox |
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| 10:29.43 | jethro | ie: something that gives info like df -h, netstat -anp , mailq, infos on rejected mail, rejected DNS AXFR, ... |
| 10:30.01 | peterS | Coke: sometimes printers have trouble autodetecting the input language. lpd might even be getting in the way in that regard. |
| 10:30.08 | tenzing_ | hi ... how can i recover grub after reinstalling windows and it erased the mrb |
| 10:30.34 | Coke | peterS: I'll experiment. Thanks anyway. |
| 10:30.34 | petemc | !fixmbr |
| 10:30.35 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 10:30.52 | xixor2 | !tell xixor about life |
| 10:31.12 | tenzing_ | wow ... i like dpkg !! |
| 10:31.28 | peterS | she's pretty useful, yeah |
| 10:31.39 | xand | she? |
| 10:31.40 | xand | :S |
| 10:31.51 | tenzing_ | is dpkg a she-bot? |
| 10:31.57 | tenzing_ | :) |
| 10:31.58 | tralala | dpkg, gender |
| 10:31.58 | dpkg | I'm sexless |
| 10:32.04 | tenzing_ | hahah |
| 10:32.04 | peterS | shebot 6000 |
| 10:32.26 | tenzing_ | sexless as in priceless?? |
| 10:32.27 | pinx | I have autofs working now but i can't get Knqueror to let go of the device and allow it to be unplugged without causing trouble. Any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 10:32.30 | peterS | (there's a jewish comic strip with a similar name) |
| 10:32.41 | karmatro1ic | back |
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| 10:33.50 | xixor2 | wow |
| 10:34.24 | xixor2 | I just set a new personal best: fast download top-speed ever attained: 1160 kb/s from http://http.us.debian.org |
| 10:34.58 | xixor2 | I don't think I have ever had a download even come close to that, anywhere, ever, for any reason |
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| 10:36.16 | peterS | wow, what a big penis you have |
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| 10:36.21 | xand | OH MY |
| 10:36.28 | xand | what is this! ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/ubuntu/releases |
| 10:36.30 | xixor2 | peterS: thnx |
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| 10:36.40 | xand | there are ubuntu CDs on the debian ftp server :o |
| 10:36.45 | xixor2 | peterS: its bulky, but I consider it carry-on. |
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| 10:37.07 | peterS | xand: just goes to show, not all ftp servers in the debian mirror network carry only debian mirror network content |
| 10:37.40 | nixvada | when using alian to convert rpm packages to .deb which linux distro do you suggest using |
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| 10:37.59 | peterS | ftp doesn't have name-based virtual hosts like http does, so the server cannot know what DNS name you're trying to call it in order to show you only the files you wanted |
| 10:38.03 | xand | s/*.deb// debian of course |
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| 10:41.11 | anish | is any one running xen with debian |
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| 10:41.42 | peterS | anish: lots of people do, there are even specific debian kernels intended for use in xen |
| 10:42.20 | nixvada | i am |
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| 10:42.38 | anish | I want to learn more about running xen |
| 10:42.51 | anish | I have worked in VMware... |
| 10:42.58 | anish | a lot of time... |
| 10:43.03 | anish | buts its easy..... |
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| 10:43.20 | anish | Now I am planning to migrate to XEN... |
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| 10:44.11 | nixvada | it runs great no problems here |
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| 10:44.49 | anish | Once I tried XEN, long back.. It ended.. in kernel problems... |
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| 10:45.14 | anish | I searched xensource... but I found it too hard |
| 10:45.42 | anish | I need a betutiful guide to XEN. |
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| 10:46.54 | anish | so nixvada how did u installed xen, through, apt-get or using the configure methood? |
| 10:46.57 | maddash | i have 20GB worth of data on a fat32 partition which i'd like to encrypt. are there any partition-level encryption schemes (kernel driver, not userspace, mind you) for debian? |
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| 10:50.10 | JoachimLM | Hello world |
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| 10:50.20 | anish | nixvada do u still have XEN within your Debian.... |
| 10:50.46 | anish | can us share the grub configuration for XEN |
| 10:51.29 | anish | I just need to have a look, the way grub.conf looks after installling XEN |
| 10:51.41 | wols | maddash: cfs, lufs-cryptfs for example |
| 10:52.15 | wols | ut if it has to be in kernel space, download the kernel sources and look |
| 10:52.34 | RichiH | !gamp |
| 10:52.34 | dpkg | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! |
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| 10:53.59 | maddash | wols: which kernel sources? 2.6.18.3 (etch) doesn't seem to have any |
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| 10:54.12 | xand | siNCap_: go away |
| 10:54.13 | wols | athen you're out of luck, aren't you? |
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| 10:54.30 | xand | RichiH: spambots attack :( |
| 10:54.33 | xand | :D |
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| 11:00.31 | cppasper | Hi, after running debootstrap --arch arm --verbose sid . http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ the root filesystem seems to lack configuration files, is there a post-install script in need of a first-run? |
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| 11:09.15 | tarzeau | can i disable the tabs left/right scrolling in iceweasel/firefox (2.x)? |
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| 11:09.45 | cppasper | tarzeau: take a look at about:config |
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| 11:10.54 | DAddYE | sorry, nubble question, how I can change root pwd? |
| 11:11.08 | Grub_Now | DAddYE: passwd ( as root) |
| 11:11.20 | ma3x | hey tarzeau how is it going pal? |
| 11:11.45 | tarzeau | ma3x: thanks fine. hopefully for you too? |
| 11:11.51 | ma3x | the tab scrolling you mean? |
| 11:12.02 | ma3x | yeap, im great |
| 11:12.04 | DAddYE | thanks |
| 11:12.13 | tarzeau | ma3x: yeah the scrolling of the tabs, it's making me sick |
| 11:12.13 | Coke | peterS: oufff. I only get garbled text from the test page... :/ |
| 11:12.43 | ma3x | that's just if you move the mouse over the tabs and you start scrolling, right? |
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| 11:13.02 | tarzeau | ma3x: no, if you have 15+ tabs, you get a scroller for the tabs |
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| 11:13.24 | justinhe | oh yeah ,what a long time ! i am back to debian again ! |
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| 11:14.20 | justinhe | how is linux going these year ? i am just coming back from the Mars |
| 11:14.43 | ma3x | tarzeau: tried about:config? |
| 11:14.44 | tarzeau | justinhe: how many years have you been away from #debian ? |
| 11:14.47 | justinhe | is anybody here on the earth ? |
| 11:14.51 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes, i can't find it |
| 11:15.04 | justinhe | about 4 years |
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| 11:15.42 | ma3x | hold on I'm searching for it |
| 11:15.46 | justinhe | during these 4 years , i don't have even a computer |
| 11:15.59 | ma3x | tarzeau: btw what version you got? |
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| 11:16.08 | ma3x | 2.0.0.2? |
| 11:16.19 | _slacker_ | hi all, anyone knows why in debian when start bluetooth hcid the inquiry is disabled by default? |
| 11:16.21 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes |
| 11:16.22 | justinhe | what a pity i dont catch the development of debian |
| 11:16.28 | DAddYE | Ive upgrade sarge to etch I do a good thing? |
| 11:16.35 | karmatronic | justinhe: what happened ? |
| 11:16.43 | karmatronic | DAddYE: yes |
| 11:17.01 | kryptoz | guys how can i improvise this "if [ not `rpm -qa | grep antlr-2.7.5` ]; then echo "not there install";else echo "already present, nothing to do"; fi" |
| 11:17.18 | justinhe | i got to the Mars for a special task ! |
| 11:17.41 | justinhe | i dont use PC when i was on the Mars |
| 11:17.55 | karmatronic | justinhe: that s a shame |
| 11:17.58 | justinhe | well , it is not called PC , |
| 11:18.10 | karmatronic | justinhe: i heard martians loved debian |
| 11:18.16 | xand | justinhe: wtf are you talking about? |
| 11:18.23 | djr_ | rpm -qa | grep antlr-2.7.5 && echo "not there install || echo "already present" |
| 11:18.38 | DAddYE | thank karmatronic |
| 11:18.41 | ma3x | tarzeau: you can hide I think using some code in userChrome.css. Google would know |
| 11:19.06 | justinhe | i am talking about the machine i used on the Mars |
| 11:19.08 | tarzeau | ma3x: well thanks. |
| 11:19.24 | DAddYE | one question, ive a vps, but it's normal che during the upgrade install some x11 component? |
| 11:19.25 | justinhe | i just cant descript it ?! |
| 11:19.32 | Trewas | tarzeau: set browser.tabs.tabMinWidth to some small value, that should get rid of tab scrolling |
| 11:19.44 | ma3x | tarzeau: the chrome dir |
| 11:19.58 | tarzeau | ma3x: there's an extension to make it usable |
| 11:20.03 | justinhe | so , i feel debian more kind |
| 11:20.06 | ma3x | tarzeau: yeah |
| 11:20.08 | tarzeau | Trewas: not if you have even more tabs |
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| 11:20.43 | justinhe | it is really happy that i can use debian again |
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| 11:21.19 | Trewas | tarzeau: tab mix plus extension gives an option for multi-row tab-bar |
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| 11:23.18 | ma3x | tarzeau: do you know the fix of #412585 ? every time I start firefox it connects to www.firefox.com |
| 11:23.28 | ma3x | even though I have the homepage set to blank |
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| 11:24.43 | tarzeau | ma3x: not sure if the updates/0 directory or file helps. |
| 11:24.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: really, tried links2 -g yet? |
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| 11:28.53 | ma3x | tarzeau: hell not bad this links2 |
| 11:29.11 | tarzeau | ma3x: does javascript and https too! |
| 11:29.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: seen all the options it has w/ f9? |
| 11:29.46 | DAddYE | i run mysqld how I can exit from this process? ctrl c and z don't work |
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| 11:30.16 | tarzeau | DAddYE: you can send it signals using kill |
| 11:30.24 | solars | wasn't it possible to reload a users groups after adding the user to a new group without relogin ? |
| 11:30.30 | xand | /etc/init.d/mysql stop? |
| 11:30.31 | DAddYE | tarzeau: thanks |
| 11:30.39 | DAddYE | xand: if is busy |
| 11:30.45 | DAddYE | xand: I open a console |
| 11:30.52 | DAddYE | sorry a new session |
| 11:31.13 | xand | huh |
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| 11:32.01 | sujith | hello |
| 11:32.12 | hark | solars: newgrp |
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| 11:33.34 | StPaul | hello i have some problems. Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xfree86/xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge2_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 212.211.132.250 80] |
| 11:33.41 | StPaul | is there something to do ? |
| 11:33.52 | xand | did you do apt-get update first? |
| 11:34.06 | Coke | Could anybody buy me some clues as to how I can get my lpd/ipp/raw compatible printer to actualy format print the postscript I send to it instead of printing it as ASCII text? |
| 11:34.07 | StPaul | aaa nope |
| 11:34.10 | ma3x | tarzeau: its great, it beats IE |
| 11:34.18 | xand | Coke: buy you some? no thanks |
| 11:34.33 | StPaul | thx xand |
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| 11:34.56 | xand | Coke: you need a printer that supports postscript |
| 11:35.00 | Coke | xand: it does. |
| 11:35.06 | solars | hark, thx |
| 11:35.06 | xand | you didn't say that |
| 11:35.17 | Coke | xand: no, I didn't. |
| 11:35.22 | xand | if it does, it should just work |
| 11:35.24 | Coke | Oh, by the way, the printer is postscript level 1 and 2 compatible. |
| 11:35.36 | Coke | xand: indeed. |
| 11:35.54 | StPaul | r5 is the latest ? |
| 11:36.00 | Coke | Someone here mentioned earlier that some printers might have a problem detecting the format if one uses IPP or lpd. |
| 11:36.18 | hark | StPaul: yes |
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| 11:38.01 | Coke | xand: well, the generic PCL6 was detected well enough anyway and printed nicely. |
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| 11:43.22 | freetos | if i install the testing-dvd's will i be able to upgrade to the final version when it(4.0) comes out? |
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| 11:44.14 | hark | ..yes |
| 11:44.27 | RichiH | freetos: of course |
| 11:44.53 | freetos | cool, they took a week to download with bittorrent |
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| 11:49.51 | Ronin | a week? what are you on dialup? ;) |
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| 11:50.02 | justinhe | hi |
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| 11:53.25 | justinhe | what does wtf mean ? |
| 11:54.03 | xand | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:54.09 | justinhe | hello~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 11:54.11 | HymnToLife | What The Filesystem check |
| 11:54.14 | hark | justinhe: you mean wtf does wtf mean? |
| 11:54.32 | xand | justinhe are you mad? |
| 11:54.32 | justinhe | ? |
| 11:54.38 | justinhe | wtf ? |
| 11:54.42 | justinhe | i dont know ! |
| 11:54.49 | djr_ | :) |
| 11:54.51 | justinhe | toooooooooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~ short |
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| 11:55.59 | justinhe | wtf does wtf mean ? ! |
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| 11:56.10 | hark | !zoo |
| 11:56.11 | dpkg | from memory, zoo is fuck, fuck, fuck a duck, screw a kangaroo! slap and bang an orangutan, it's an orgy at the zoo! |
| 11:56.11 | xand | stop that |
| 11:56.13 | xand | !wtf |
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| 11:56.32 | hark | that's the bsd one |
| 11:56.41 | hark | !wtf wtf |
| 11:56.43 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 11:56.51 | hark | ~wtf wtf |
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| 11:57.04 | justinhe | i see |
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| 11:57.17 | justinhe | OS~~~ |
| 11:57.21 | xand | ? |
| 11:57.26 | justinhe | OMG ~~~ |
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| 11:57.38 | hark | justinhe: stop trolling |
| 11:57.45 | justinhe | ok |
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| 11:58.14 | justinhe | i love to hear dirty words |
| 11:58.21 | xand | haha |
| 11:58.42 | justinhe | especially from a woman |
| 11:59.19 | justinhe | !wtf |
| 11:59.31 | xand | do you have a debian question, justinhe? |
| 11:59.44 | justinhe | i will have |
| 11:59.55 | Alessio | lol |
| 11:59.59 | justinhe | i mean here is too silent |
| 12:00.12 | justinhe | and i want to give you some fun |
| 12:00.50 | jelly | justin: the fun has to be debian related. |
| 12:01.38 | smokie | hi, i installed debian-testing netinst and had stopped after the base system because of network probs. I can boot the base system, but how can i finish the installation? I miss base-config. |
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| 12:01.56 | maddash | smokie: run tasksel |
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| 12:02.46 | smokie | ok, i get laptop and manual selection. I think i need to add some apt-sources ? |
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| 12:14.50 | queuetue | Is there something I'm not getting about etch's apache2 virtualhost configuration? I've created a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ , put a <VirtualHost *> directive in it with a ServerName foo, used a2ensite to enable it, restarted apache, and ... the default site comes up when I go to that hostname. If I disable 000-default, my virtualhost works (but all 'default' sites break, of course..) What am I missing here? |
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| 12:15.52 | claudio` | hey |
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| 12:16.42 | queuetue | I've set up a %v customlog in default, and it shows the servername is correct... WTH? |
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| 12:17.41 | avtobiff | queuetue, you should not put <VirtualHost *> in the specific file? you should put som ip or domainname there (i think) |
| 12:18.40 | DAddYE | the message that are show when we log in console is editable? |
| 12:18.51 | queuetue | avtobiff: I'm pretty sure you're wrong there. The ServerName directive indicates what hostname you want the virtualhost to respond to ... or at least it seems to on every other apache install I've used. |
| 12:19.17 | avtobiff | queuetue, ok |
| 12:19.22 | pngwn | DAddYE, /etc/motd |
| 12:19.46 | DAddYE | thanksssssssssssss |
| 12:20.09 | avtobiff | DAddYE, ok. i run NameVirtualHost ip <VirtualHost ip> anyways |
| 12:20.18 | DAddYE | ? |
| 12:20.30 | claudio` | Why i've installed x-window-system-core (testing) and i haven't the xorgconfig file? |
| 12:20.50 | queuetue | avtobiff: That's what you'd do if you want to it to respond to a specific IP. * responds to all IPs. |
| 12:20.52 | liable | claudio`: xorg.conf |
| 12:21.01 | karmatronic | claudio`: sarge still uses XFree86config i think |
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| 12:21.19 | avtobiff | queuetue, yes. and you. well... nevermind then. gl hf |
| 12:21.28 | avtobiff | i just tried to help. |
| 12:21.31 | claudio` | liable, uhm.. sure.. but i would like to understand if it's an error or no. |
| 12:21.52 | karmatronic | liable: better answer :) |
| 12:21.53 | tarzeau | mozilla sunbird? lightning? seamonkey? |
| 12:21.54 | sts | hello folks |
| 12:22.02 | liable | claudio`: do you have xorg.conf? it should be in /etc/X11/ |
| 12:22.12 | lechef | when will i be able to install debian again? |
| 12:22.15 | claudio` | liable, yes.. of course but why there is not a xorgconfig binary? |
| 12:22.15 | DAddYE | why console say me u have an email and how I can read this? |
| 12:22.16 | liable | tarzeau: mozilla pony !! |
| 12:22.18 | lechef | i have no cds left to burn |
| 12:22.21 | tarzeau | liable: heh :) |
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| 12:22.30 | sts | does anybody know how i can update a repository managed with reprepro with new packages (version number hasn't changed)? |
| 12:22.46 | lechef | and the installation hangs at 40% when trying to search the mirror |
| 12:22.48 | petemc | DAddYE: mail , or install mutt |
| 12:22.52 | queuetue | avtobiff: I wasn't trying to argue, just telling you how it is supposed to work, and how Apache documents it working. I'm just trying to figure out what's unusual about a debian install that makes it act differently. |
| 12:22.54 | DAddYE | ok |
| 12:23.03 | liable | claudio`: ah, you want 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
| 12:23.17 | smokie | where can i get a list of possible sources or mirrors for etch? I have only security.debian.org in my source.list |
| 12:23.39 | avtobiff | queuetue, ok. i have cheated in the way i told you. I Just Want It To Work[TM] :-/ |
| 12:23.44 | lechef | why does the installer hang at 40%? |
| 12:23.50 | claudio` | liable, maybe.. let me try. THX |
| 12:23.57 | lechef | it is at searching through the mirror |
| 12:23.58 | sts | reprepro reports me when running with includedeb: File "pool/web/a/apache2/apache2-threaded-dev_2.2.3-3.3onoat_i386.deb" is already registered with other md5sum! |
| 12:24.06 | lechef | before the installation of the software |
| 12:24.10 | queuetue | lechef: Check the other consoles and see if it is a key problem. If it is, check the IRC topic. |
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| 12:24.30 | lechef | its not a key problem |
| 12:24.35 | lechef | i dont get to that |
| 12:24.38 | lechef | it hangs before |
| 12:24.58 | lechef | the last entry in the console is get 3: .... |
| 12:26.16 | claudio` | liable, yes.. that is what i'm looking for. THX |
| 12:26.24 | maddash | why are so many people reporting problems with the netinstall? i breezed through mine without a hitch. |
| 12:26.36 | tarzeau | maddash: same here. which one? |
| 12:26.42 | lechef | my netinstall is from yesterday |
| 12:26.42 | maddash | tarzeau: etch |
| 12:26.53 | maddash | tarzeau: from about a month ago, though |
| 12:27.33 | maddash | lechef: which release is this? |
| 12:27.47 | lechef | debian-testing-i386-netinst |
| 12:28.05 | enouf | Anyone having installation problems with recent daily or weekly images .. Boot with this option ""debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true"" |
| 12:28.09 | liable | claudio`: sweet |
| 12:28.28 | maddash | lechef: have you tried different mirrors? |
| 12:28.33 | enouf | lechef: ^^^ smokie ^^^ |
| 12:28.56 | lechef | yeah |
| 12:29.04 | lechef | i tried some german ones and us servers |
| 12:29.22 | lechef | @ enouf when i do this i get kernel image debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true not found |
| 12:29.27 | enouf | News:: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 12:30.04 | enouf | lechef: that's from the Boot prompt of the installer? |
| 12:30.15 | lechef | yes |
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| 12:30.30 | enouf | lechef: have you checked the md5sum of your d/l ? |
| 12:30.40 | lechef | yeah |
| 12:30.48 | lechef | yesterday i came further |
| 12:30.55 | lechef | up to the key issue |
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| 12:31.03 | lechef | which i couldnt resolve |
| 12:31.12 | smokie | maddash, how can i enter the mirror selection ? |
| 12:31.17 | lechef | but there are new hints now which i wanted to try |
| 12:31.33 | lechef | but now i cant get over the mirror searching thing |
| 12:31.42 | enouf | smokie: manually, you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list .. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 12:31.58 | Coke | Hmm, why is there no python-gtk2 debug package available? |
| 12:32.14 | Coke | apt-cache search python gtk debug yields nothing of interrest. |
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| 12:32.55 | enouf | tarzeau: that silly nonsense with that atkbd.c issue I've run into myself .. but I only recall it happening when enabling/loading the module "evbug" |
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| 12:33.14 | enouf | tarzeau: and possibly going back tio 2.6.8 kernel from sarge |
| 12:33.54 | tarzeau | enouf: so not using the evbug module fixes it? don't build it at all? |
| 12:34.24 | smokie | enouf, i only have security.debian.org in sources.list. What are the normal repositories for etch ? |
| 12:34.38 | lechef | i dont need the "" around debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true right ? |
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| 12:34.51 | enouf | Cone: visit p.d.o and search there .. you may need/want contrib or non-free appended to your sources, though I wouldn't know why for what your searching for |
| 12:35.03 | enouf | lechef: AFAIK ..no |
| 12:35.20 | enouf | tarzeau: well .. see if you have it loading at boot |
| 12:35.27 | smokie | eniac, p.d.o ? |
| 12:35.29 | enouf | tarzeau: lsmod and /etc/modules |
| 12:35.40 | lechef | so it seems like im just lucky as always |
| 12:35.42 | lechef | special case |
| 12:35.46 | lechef | this sucks |
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| 12:36.32 | maddash | what is it with this bhaal guy? |
| 12:36.45 | enouf | tarzeau: and for shits and giggles check /etc/sysctl.conf for this entry #kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 .. is it uncommented? |
| 12:36.54 | smokie | enouf, what does p.d.o mean ? |
| 12:37.01 | enouf | !pdo |
| 12:37.01 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 12:37.09 | maddash | !shits and giggles |
| 12:37.17 | Bhaal | maddash: 'this bhaal guy' ??? |
| 12:37.23 | enouf | heh |
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| 12:37.42 | tarzeau | enouf: thanks for the tips |
| 12:37.56 | maddash | Bhaal: thought you were a bot there. what's with the periodic parting/joining? |
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| 12:38.51 | Bhaal | maddash: If you do a whois on me you would have noticed I am an irc oper.. The channel cycling is to pick up the ONJOIN spambots which frequent this channel and a few others... When they spam me I kline them... |
| 12:39.00 | enouf | tarzeau: no biggy .. wouldn't have known about it if it hadn't occured to me .. Also check your ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile (and anywhere else you can think of) that might have a debugging feature enabled |
| 12:39.05 | tarzeau | enouf: config-2.6.20-1:# CONFIG_INPUT_EVBUG is not set |
| 12:39.11 | tarzeau | enouf: i don't even build it. |
| 12:39.29 | tarzeau | enouf: the kernel doesn't even get me that far |
| 12:39.37 | tarzeau | enouf: it's an endless loop when booting |
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| 12:39.45 | enouf | tarzeau: though I specifically recall loading that module (as a test) , thej noticed the buffer filled with those messages, so I removed it |
| 12:39.55 | maddash | Bhaal: i have no idea of what you just told me. layman's terms? |
| 12:40.03 | Bhaal | maddash: They probably dont get to as many people as they would like coz of the need to be registered to message someone, but they annoy me... |
| 12:40.11 | enouf | tarzeau: hrm .. ok .. I'm still using 2.6.16 ;-) |
| 12:40.14 | tarzeau | enouf: i see, well that won't fix my problem :( (that according to google others seem to have as well) |
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| 12:40.24 | tarzeau | enouf: it only happens on SOME machines |
| 12:40.35 | Bhaal | maddash: Ever joined a channel and had someone message you almost instantly saying something like 'Go visit this cool website' ?? |
| 12:40.50 | enouf | tarzeau: I see... |
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| 12:41.00 | spenxula | hello how can i learn bandwidth speed of a whatever ip ? |
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| 12:43.25 | fireba11 | spenxula: no other way than trying |
| 12:44.38 | Bhaal | maddash: Understand? |
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| 12:44.47 | maddash | Bhaal: nope, haven't been around enough times for that. but you don't have to justify yourself to me. |
| 12:44.50 | enouf | spenxula: If your looking for the fastest mirror apt-spy is supposed to help, but i've heard conflicting reports |
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| 12:45.02 | Bhaal | maddash: One day you will cop it... |
| 12:45.04 | Bhaal | :) |
| 12:45.15 | maddash | Bhaal: do you get paid doing this? |
| 12:45.31 | wols | maddash: such things rarely happen on freenode. mostly a efnet, undernet or similar network problem |
| 12:46.32 | wols | no. opers rarely get paid on any network |
| 12:46.33 | Bhaal | maddash: Nah mate.. |
| 12:46.58 | Bhaal | wols: It happens here more then you think, but only a few channels, #Debian being one of them... |
| 12:47.01 | wols | maddash: but don't give them ideas! |
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| 12:47.25 | Bhaal | wols: I kline about 10-15 clients a day for spambots... |
| 12:47.28 | wols | I rarely if ever get onjoin spam on freenode and I have a 25h mandatory disconnect by ISP |
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| 12:47.41 | wols | but then, maybe freenoed watches their network more than undernet et al |
| 12:47.41 | liable | heh, it used to happen a shitload, its been very quiet in the last year |
| 12:47.42 | enouf | !pony Bhaal |
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| 12:47.59 | sts | I need help with building debian packages. I'm trying to rebuild the apache2 source package. the debian maintainers are using dpatch. so i ran dpatch-edit-patch, changed on line in the ./configure arguments, which are defined in debian/rules, and saved the patch. the patch is even in debian/patches/00list but it seems as it's not beeing applied. |
| 12:48.04 | solars | I'm using opera in a 32bit chroot jail on amd64, if I try to start it with schroot it cannot connect to the xserver, can anyone help me with that ? |
| 12:48.19 | enouf | xand: will tell ya .. it's ben mostly 88.x.x.x. IPs as of late |
| 12:48.40 | enouf | s/ben/been .. concerning spambots and such |
| 12:48.51 | sts | did i overlook something and the package is not using the sources from the apache2-2.2.3 source directory? is it using anything from outside? |
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| 12:49.03 | Bhaal | liable: It used to be spambots which would join, grab the channel list and part, then spam everyone ... My script also handles that, I have been running it for over 12mths now... The channel cycle thing is recent addition though... |
| 12:49.35 | sts | stew: around? |
| 12:49.47 | Bhaal | That said, I would suggest that no one sends me a priv message saying 'Porno' |
| 12:49.56 | enouf | hehe .. |
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| 12:50.29 | Bhaal | If they do, you will get 0w3n3d for 5000 minutes |
| 12:50.42 | Bhaal | s/they/you |
| 12:50.48 | Ironhand | I'm having a problem where an NFS share regularly hangs, normally during significant amount of reading from the share. I can find nothing in any logs on the server or client. Usually after 10-20 minutes, the share comes back of its own, though a forced unmount followed by a mount fixes the problem too. Anyone have an idea what could be going on here? |
| 12:50.57 | wols | Bhaal: sometimes a dynamic IP comes in handy :) |
| 12:51.06 | Bhaal | wols: It would indeed |
| 12:51.16 | Ronin | so lets all msg Bhaal ? ;) |
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| 12:51.29 | Bhaal | Pretty much all broadband in .au is dynamic, but I havent had an IP change in 12mths... |
| 12:51.49 | Bhaal | Ronin: Go for it... Tis your funeral |
| 12:52.07 | Ronin | heh |
| 12:52.33 | hark | Ronin: well, you could get dpkg to say it for you ;) |
| 12:52.35 | liable | heh, dont annoy ops, definately dont annoy irc cops :) |
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| 12:52.50 | maddash | Bhaal: so what if someone asked you about pornview? |
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| 12:54.21 | Bhaal | maddash: Nothing.. Its not that specific... The auto-kline is triggered by phrases used in spam messages I receieve, not the entire message, but something which I find doesnt change between messages |
| 12:55.40 | enouf | tarzeau: I noticed that horrid default Tab scroll thing too .. in many apps, even Konsole and Epiphany (which uses the moz engine and has about:config and such) .. it sucks .. Once the tabs fill the space width of one menu-bar (perhaps 10-12 tabs) ..an Arrow appears RATHER than the tabs shrinking to accomodate the new ones .. it's funny, I recall even Mozilla on win98 (way back) had this enabled as default |
| 12:56.12 | Edward_TLS | I put net.ipv4.tcp_max_syn_backlog=2048 and Still I don't get more then 256 SYN_RECV with netstat |
| 12:56.50 | hark | enouf: that's easy to change for FF |
| 12:56.55 | enouf | tarzeau: so i happily use links2 -g with many windows open instead :-) (been doing for a while) and the issue with that is the task bar gets full :-( |
| 12:57.10 | enouf | hark: then it's easy for Epiphany .. care to shre ;-) |
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| 12:57.17 | enouf | s/shre/share |
| 12:57.39 | heh_v_water | you know whats driving me nuts and it's not a big thing is in etch using kde, when you click the show desktop applet it minimizes everything, but the moment you click one window to come up they all do.. never used to do this |
| 12:57.58 | hark | enouf: heh, good luck for epiphany.. |
| 12:58.09 | enouf | hark: I tried Mozilla on Debian a little while back and it was a wreck, so I --purged it |
| 12:58.24 | enouf | hark: same thing basically, if it's a about:config option |
| 12:59.01 | sts | is nobody familiar with building packages?! |
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| 12:59.26 | maddash | sts: this is something very google-able |
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| 12:59.31 | hark | wait, let me try here.. |
| 12:59.38 | sts | maddash: i don't think so |
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| 12:59.53 | heh_v_water | sts, it is |
| 12:59.57 | maddash | sts: for starters, man dpkg|grep build |
| 13:00.06 | sami82 | how can O change the password for several users ? |
| 13:00.21 | sami82 | I* |
| 13:00.29 | wols | become root, man passwd |
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| 13:00.36 | sts | maddash, heh_v_water: I have a congrete problem, I don't want to start building packages. I already did. |
| 13:00.53 | maddash | !tell sts about source |
| 13:01.22 | enouf | hark: actually i used to be pretty handy editing and customizing my userChrome.css, userContent.css, User.js, Prefs.js files.. perhaps I'll look into it again ;-) BTW -- Epiphany's config files are in file:///home/$USER/.gnome2/epiphany/mozilla/epiphany/ atleast here |
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| 13:02.49 | sami82 | wols, I can't find an option for such thing.. |
| 13:02.54 | rpc | howdy |
| 13:02.55 | sts | maddash: still not working. the dpatch-patch is applied but it still using the original configure options. |
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| 13:03.06 | rpc | how would you go about tracking down a wicked networking problem? host can send packages but can't receive.. it's just mute |
| 13:03.13 | rpc | the host is connected to an ethernet bridge, i have few more and they all work just fine but this one won't... is there any trivial stuff to check? |
| 13:03.34 | sts | maddash: i changed --with-suexec-docroot=/var/www in my patch to --with-suexec-docroot=/home/customers, but it's not using my patch somehow |
| 13:04.10 | enouf | the only reason I use epiphany form time to time is it'smuch much less bloated than Firepoop/Icecrapper .. and links2- g just can't handle ALL that crappy website code out there (specific sites, like newegg.com, amd.com, ati.org, etc) ..so to render even mildly correctly , for readability I have to resort to these other choices/browsers |
| 13:04.11 | sts | allthought it is telling me: "applying patch 999_sts" |
| 13:04.21 | solars | does anyone know how to fix ugly fonts in opera when using a 32bit chroot? |
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| 13:04.42 | enouf | !shoot MS/IE and it's spawn |
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| 13:05.16 | maddash | sts: i don't build packages very often (i just make install), and i've never built apache, so i. don't think i would be of much use to you |
| 13:06.13 | sts | great |
| 13:06.48 | hark | enouf: actually i use the Tab mix plus extension to revert FF's behavior to the way it was before.. smaller tab widths and multiline (instead of that scrolling) with a single close button on the right. |
| 13:06.54 | enouf | solars: can you tell me how to fix it in any/all gnome apps? .. I can't use them because of it .. but I'm forced to kinda (well, not forced, but), as in the epiphany browsrer scenario |
| 13:07.09 | solars | enouf, nope sorry |
| 13:07.17 | enouf | solars: I gues it's an anti-aliasing issue for me anyways |
| 13:07.34 | solars | enouf, never had problems with xorg and fonts lately |
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| 13:07.54 | enouf | hark: right .. I like the (x) too on tabs, instead of stupid favicons ;-) |
| 13:07.58 | hark | enouf: there are unofficial extensions for epiphany which remove the close button etc. but they are bad hacks for the most part.. |
| 13:08.24 | enouf | hark: well .. i'll take a look .. thanks |
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| 13:09.36 | heh_v_water | in firefox i have an add-on called toolbar buttons, it makes a close tab button available then i just tweeked my layout and added my own close tab button in the old place |
| 13:09.59 | hark | enouf: http://www.sstuhr.dk/epiphany-extensions/ |
| 13:10.11 | enouf | ahh .. looking .. thanks hark .. |
| 13:10.35 | enouf | heh_v_water: nice .. i just find the default setup absurd .. but hey |
| 13:10.47 | heh_v_water | enough I hate the new setup too |
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| 13:10.55 | heh_v_water | uugh |
| 13:11.00 | heh_v_water | nouf^^ |
| 13:11.01 | enouf | heh_v_water: even Konq has this tab sorting issue |
| 13:11.04 | heh_v_water | aaagh! :P |
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| 13:11.31 | hark | too bad ff is such a memory hog.. |
| 13:11.32 | maddash | [sigh] UI |
| 13:11.34 | vk5hsx | does anyone know whether Martin has decided to continue with DWN after the decision regarding payments to Debian developers>? |
| 13:11.35 | enouf | !scream |
| 13:11.35 | dpkg | GAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! |
| 13:11.43 | enouf | attagirl dpkg |
| 13:12.08 | heh_v_water | hark, yah whats up with that it didn't get really bad until about 6-7 months ago |
| 13:12.24 | maddash | vk5hsx: payment??? debian devs??? |
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| 13:12.40 | hark | maddash: yes |
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| 13:13.04 | maddash | hark: how much are we talking about? |
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| 13:13.11 | vk5hsx | <maddash> to get 'Etch' out on time.. payments for some dev to work full-time |
| 13:13.15 | hark | vk5hsx: don't think so.. he'll probably mention it on his blog, i guess |
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| 13:13.42 | vk5hsx | <hark>shame that, look forward to it.. |
| 13:14.14 | freetos | will etch ship with a real time kernel? |
| 13:14.27 | heh_v_water | IMHO I could care less if etch didn't come out until august as long as they get it right and tight |
| 13:14.35 | tarzeau | enouf: cool :) |
| 13:15.01 | Valiante | My motherboard supports PC1600/DDR200 or PC2100/DDR266 DDR memory. Is there a command to find out which I currently have? |
| 13:15.13 | vk5hsx | agreed, having 'some' paid an 'others' not will cause untold frustration, prlblems and trouble.. |
| 13:15.35 | enouf | heh_v_water: ack* |
| 13:16.02 | wols | Valiante: look in BOS what FSB you use |
| 13:16.04 | hark | vk5hsx: s'ok, it failed anyway ;) |
| 13:16.13 | sts | heh_v_water: do _you_ know why my patch is not applied? |
| 13:16.14 | enouf | Valiante: lm-sesnors has a script called decode-dimms.pl |
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| 13:16.23 | enouf | erm lm-sensors Valiante |
| 13:16.40 | vk5hsx | last I heard it was decided and voted on.. |
| 13:16.41 | sts | heh_v_water: well, it's applied, but it seems to be ignored that the rules file is changed. |
| 13:17.08 | heh_v_water | sts, I don't although IIRC when you build from deb-src, once you build it once, you can't go back and make changes I believe you have to re-download the source but don't take my word on this |
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| 13:17.13 | Valiante | enouf: what/who is lm_sensors ? |
| 13:17.16 | heh_v_water | sts, kind of like the make clean idea maybe? |
| 13:17.28 | enouf | !tell Valiante -about search |
| 13:17.38 | scx | I am I am! |
| 13:17.45 | maddash | Valiante: [sigh] `sudo apt-cache search lm_sensors` |
| 13:18.21 | enouf | Valiante: or just look int the BIOS setu as wols said |
| 13:18.22 | Valiante | sorry - i'm *very* new to linux and just learning my way around |
| 13:18.26 | hark | dmidecode? lshw? |
| 13:18.31 | tarzeau | hwinfo! |
| 13:18.33 | claudio` | There is not xlockmore in the testing mirrors? :\ |
| 13:18.35 | enouf | s/setu/setup |
| 13:18.46 | Valiante | i've tried both dmidecode and lshw and both only tell me how much RAM is installed, not what type |
| 13:18.46 | enouf | hark: no go AFAIK with those tools |
| 13:18.47 | tarzeau | Valiante, enouf: mbmon also can read temperatures |
| 13:19.16 | Valiante | i can't look in the bios - i'm running remotely |
| 13:19.19 | Valiante | ssh |
| 13:19.25 | enouf | hark: I tried .. you can obtain SD vs DDR and size of modules (128/256MB sticks etc)but that's about it |
| 13:19.27 | tarzeau | Valiante: just install mbmon, and run it? |
| 13:19.27 | heh_v_water | they have mothebroard monitor for linux? |
| 13:19.43 | tarzeau | Valiante: it works without having any lm support in the kernel or its modules |
| 13:19.51 | heh_v_water | is it liek the ol windows app with the dashboard and stuff? |
| 13:20.03 | Valiante | i'm running command-line only |
| 13:20.04 | enouf | Valiante: no worries ;-) .. dpkg is here to help |
| 13:20.28 | sami82 | is it possible there is no such command to change the password for several users in Linux?? |
| 13:20.28 | sts | heh_v_water: i'll try to. |
| 13:20.40 | tarzeau | sami82: there is one command for one user |
| 13:20.50 | tarzeau | sami82: and you can run the command as many times you want, for any amount of users |
| 13:21.09 | enouf | tarzeau: does it also spit out detailed dimm info? |
| 13:21.12 | tarzeau | sami82: this is nothing linux specific, it's been like that for many years, decades of years |
| 13:21.35 | tarzeau | enouf: i'm not sure on that. lshw does that part i think, but even that isn't 100 % right, i've seen computers where it was wrong/failed |
| 13:21.35 | enouf | tarzeau: I here conky is nice (GUI) widget |
| 13:21.52 | scx | conky? |
| 13:21.57 | enouf | tarzeau: actually looks nice, but I don't need it now/here, otherwise i'd use it |
| 13:21.57 | wols | tarzeau: mbmon doesn't display RAM frequencies, only temps, fanspeeds and voltages |
| 13:22.06 | wols | Valiante: what cpuspeed do you have? |
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| 13:22.15 | tarzeau | wols: true, sorry i thought that's what he want when i've heard lm_sensors |
| 13:22.20 | wols | and: why do you need to know what kind of DIMMs? |
| 13:22.32 | Valiante | 1.7ghz |
| 13:22.33 | tarzeau | wols: i think you confused the both people i spoke to? |
| 13:22.42 | tzafrir_laptop | sami82, chpasswd |
| 13:22.43 | Valiante | AMD Athlon |
| 13:22.55 | wols | Valiante: speed. not type |
| 13:23.03 | Valiante | i already said 1.7ghz |
| 13:23.04 | sami82 | tzafrir_laptop, ok I'll check it :) |
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| 13:23.26 | tzafrir_laptop | give it input from stdin (e.g: a data file) |
| 13:23.34 | Valiante | i need to know so i can upgrade |
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| 13:23.44 | wols | that's 133. there are no FSB200 athlons at 1.7. and there are no 1.7GHz athlons either btw |
| 13:23.55 | wols | there is a 1733 one. so be prices. what speed? |
| 13:24.03 | Valiante | well i'm just telling you what lshw has told me |
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| 13:24.13 | Valiante | description: CPU |
| 13:24.13 | Valiante | product: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ |
| 13:24.13 | Valiante | vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] |
| 13:24.15 | wols | for upgrading it is irrelevant. you won't find any DDR200 RAM anywhere |
| 13:24.35 | Valiante | so basically i should just purchase DDR266 ? |
| 13:24.41 | wols | heck, you usually find DDR400 only. and that is fine since that can run at lower speeds without a problem |
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| 13:24.47 | enouf | wols: what? that's nonsense |
| 13:24.47 | wols | no, you should buy DDR400 |
| 13:25.00 | enouf | wols: i can still get PC100 if I want .. |
| 13:25.00 | wols | enouf: why nonsense? |
| 13:25.02 | Valiante | it's an old motherboard which only supports PC1600/DDR200 or PC2100/DDR266 DDR memory |
| 13:25.26 | wols | enouf: yes, but NOT DDR200. or you pay for it more than for DDR400 if you really can find it. well maybe ebay's bargain bin but that's it |
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| 13:25.48 | wols | even when DDR was introduced, DDR200 was rare since it eas easier to make DDR266 anyways |
| 13:25.55 | Valiante | the point is, it's got to be compatible with what i already have |
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| 13:26.03 | Valiante | i just want to add to it, not replace it |
| 13:26.15 | enouf | wols: prmatically, it would make sense for Valiante to go for the highest speed the mobo supports .. if the other dimms are slower, then it'll just pull downthe speed to equal for the newer |
| 13:26.21 | wols | as I told you: DDR400 runs fine at DDR200 speeds. just like your CPU would run fine at 100MHz if you wanted to |
| 13:26.33 | enouf | erm s/prmtically/pragmatically |
| 13:26.45 | Valiante | but if the mobo doesn't support DDR400 then it won't boot at all, right? |
| 13:26.49 | wols | enouf: it makes sense to buy the cheapest. and since most DDR still sold or made is 400, that's the cheapest |
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| 13:27.02 | wols | Valiante: are you listening what I say? |
| 13:27.07 | Valiante | I am |
| 13:27.19 | enouf | wols: I concur .. that's what I said |
| 13:27.26 | wols | if you buy higher speed grade ram you can run it without a problem at lower speeds. doesn't make any problems for the ram to run lower than rated |
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| 13:27.57 | Valiante | Are you sure? I've had machines not boot at all in the past due to unsupported ram |
| 13:28.17 | wols | yes, cause newer ram sometimes uses newer, higher density chips |
| 13:28.18 | enouf | Valiante: unsupported could mean Registered .. which will not work |
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| 13:28.25 | wols | and the refresh of the chipset can't cope with that |
| 13:28.32 | wols | very rare in DDR tho |
| 13:28.35 | Valiante | Surely if the manufacturer states that it doesn't support any more than DDR266 then DDR400 wouldn't work? |
| 13:28.49 | enouf | Valiante: yep rarer in DDR than in PC100/133 |
| 13:28.59 | wols | Valiante: what stops you running DDR400 at your DDR266 speeds |
| 13:29.12 | wols | ànd you still haven't answered me what I asked: what is your CPU speed? |
| 13:29.22 | Valiante | So you both agree that DDR400 should work ok, despite Gigabyte saying their board only supports 200 or 266? |
| 13:29.31 | wols | cause there frigging is no athlon 1700Mhz. simply is not |
| 13:29.32 | enouf | Valiante: PC2100-3200 are interchangeable IIRC |
| 13:29.36 | Valiante | I answered that twice - it's 1.7ghz |
| 13:29.46 | Valiante | description: CPU |
| 13:29.46 | Valiante | product: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ |
| 13:29.46 | Valiante | vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] |
| 13:30.05 | wols | no that cpu runs at 1466 MHz. NO 1700 |
| 13:30.08 | guiden | debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso, is this the iso I want if I have a amd64 computer? |
| 13:30.15 | wols | and that cpu is a FSB133 one of course |
| 13:30.21 | Valiante | unless "size: 1467MHz" means that's the true speed? |
| 13:30.27 | enouf | Valiante: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i mhz |
| 13:30.51 | Valiante | description: CPU |
| 13:30.51 | Valiante | product: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1700+ |
| 13:30.51 | Valiante | vendor: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] |
| 13:30.51 | Valiante | physical id: 4 |
| 13:30.51 | Valiante | bus info: cpu@0 |
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| 13:30.52 | wols | note how "XP 1700+" nowhere says anything about MHz |
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| 13:31.11 | Valiante | oops |
| 13:31.14 | enouf | Valiante: please stop pasting in the channel |
| 13:31.14 | wols | !moron Valiante |
| 13:31.15 | dpkg | Valiante: You are moron #77 |
| 13:31.30 | Valiante | oh thanks |
| 13:31.30 | wols | vk5hsx: don't do this |
| 13:32.07 | Valiante | how was i to know that would happen? |
| 13:32.07 | Valiante | i was just trying to give you all the information i have |
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| 13:32.08 | wols | guiden: only if you want to run it at 64bit. unless you have a specific reason for that, don't. but yes it will run. the i386 one will also run |
| 13:32.08 | enouf | Tell Valiante -about paster |
| 13:32.12 | enouf | !Tell Valiante -about paster |
| 13:32.16 | Valiante | i've never used linux before this week, hell i've never even used mIRC before today |
| 13:32.37 | enouf | Valiante: live and learn .. and do NOT be a reading barbie ;-) |
| 13:32.42 | guiden | but what will i miss that the i386 has, can't I enalbe other repositories? |
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| 13:33.02 | guiden | wols |
| 13:33.10 | wols | you will get additional headaches when using i386 binary packages like flash plugin or the like |
| 13:33.12 | Valiante | wtf is a reading barbie? |
| 13:33.30 | cahoot | don't ask |
| 13:33.36 | enouf | Valiante: /msg dpkg be a reading barbie .. and while your at it /topic |
| 13:33.53 | guiden | but hasn't anyone compiled flash with a 64 compiler? |
| 13:34.12 | enouf | guiden: blame your ever loving POS comp that made it |
| 13:34.14 | wols | since only adobe can do that (flash is closed source): afaik no |
| 13:34.49 | guiden | ok |
| 13:35.03 | guiden | but is it that hard for them to do it? |
| 13:35.09 | Valiante | Nice |
| 13:35.26 | Valiante | So asking for help is considered lazy? |
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| 13:35.32 | guiden | maybe the debain 64 teamhase made progress, |
| 13:35.33 | wols | ask adobe not us |
| 13:35.39 | guiden | team has |
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| 13:35.49 | Ronin | Valiante: no, asking us to do your legwork is though |
| 13:35.51 | wols | no, wanting us to do your work is |
| 13:35.55 | Valiante | What work? |
| 13:36.01 | enouf | heh |
| 13:36.19 | Valiante | What have I asked you to do? |
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| 13:36.35 | wols | we tell you where you can read the docs to solve your problem(s). we will not directly solve your problems for you if docs already explain them |
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| 13:37.38 | enouf | Valiante: legwork usually involves some reading PRIOR to asking same old questions .. and not adhering to channel policy (concerning pasting only so far ;-)) |
| 13:38.29 | scanf | wols: dunno about that bit. I ask for help on undocumented problem here and nobody knows. I ask for help on documented problem and I get told to read abook. |
| 13:39.16 | wols | that's what I just said. and the undocument problems: we sadly don't know evreything |
| 13:39.31 | enouf | Valiante: if you're interested in learning about Debian a bit, may I suggest, as a start , to /msg dpkg grounding |
| 13:39.51 | Valiante | All I asked is if anyone knew of a command that might tell me what type of RAM I have installed. That's it! |
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| 13:40.00 | guiden | wols, what experiences have you had with the amd64 version? |
| 13:40.01 | petemc | Valiante: dmidecode |
| 13:40.11 | enouf | Valiante: relax mate .. it's over ... |
| 13:40.13 | Valiante | With regards to pasting, I had no idea that was such a bad thing - now I do - I won't do it again, will I? |
| 13:40.25 | Valiante | In my defence, I'm very new to all of this and I'm struggling as it is. |
| 13:40.50 | enouf | petemc: good choice, but won;t tell him what he wants to know .. and he's already been given theanswer |
| 13:41.00 | cahoot | Valiante: please don't make a big thing out of this - it's only irc |
| 13:41.12 | enouf | s/he/s/he ..heh |
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| 13:41.38 | wols | guiden: none :) |
| 13:41.54 | cahoot | Valiante: all is forgotten after the next screen |
| 13:42.12 | enouf | !comfort Valiante |
| 13:42.12 | dpkg | There, there, Valiante. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:42.13 | guiden | hehe lol, screw you I'm doing the installation :) |
| 13:42.15 | Ronin | forgot what? :) |
| 13:42.29 | enouf | heh |
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| 13:42.37 | wols | guiden: any special reason besides "I can"? |
| 13:42.49 | cahoot | Ronin: hm - better check you ram |
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| 13:43.04 | wols | the scripts by lm-sensors is kinda iffy since it needs its special drivers loaded :( |
| 13:43.22 | VImtermute | oy |
| 13:43.28 | guiden | eh, don't understand, bye for now |
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| 13:44.17 | rpc | is it possible to tell netstat to show only established sessions? |
| 13:44.21 | wols | guiden: why you want to install amd64? |
| 13:44.30 | wols | rpc: |grep -i established |
| 13:44.47 | rpc | wols hm yes that's what i do for now... i would love a switch in netstat instead :s |
| 13:44.49 | wols | Valiante: make your irc window smaller. faster scrolling |
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| 13:44.53 | DAddYE | sorry one program, capistrano give me this error on debian etch ** [out :: my.host.org] ssh: connect to host lipsiacars.lipsiasoft.org port 22: Invalid argument |
| 13:44.59 | DAddYE | can any help me? |
| 13:45.17 | DAddYE | is possible to return back at the old openssh ? |
| 13:45.29 | rpc | DAddYE apt-get install ssh |
| 13:45.30 | enouf | many clients have a /clear screen or similar command .. mine does |
| 13:45.41 | Valiante | wols: how do i do that? (joke) |
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| 13:45.59 | DAddYE | rpc: I just have ssh and work correctly, is a vps! |
| 13:46.08 | apk | I have a package (a kernel) set to "deinstall" according to `dpkg --get-selections`. I have long since deleted the .deb and deleted the files. How do I get dpkg to forget about it? |
| 13:46.33 | rpc | DAddYE and what doesn't work? i think i didn't fully understand your question |
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| 13:47.01 | DAddYE | svn: Can't make directory '/var/www/apps/lipsiacars/releases/20070228134231': Permission denied |
| 13:47.18 | wols | DAddYE: apt-get install ssh ? |
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| 13:47.37 | rpc | DAddYE are you root? |
| 13:47.44 | DAddYE | wols: I JUST HAVE SSH on development and server |
| 13:47.57 | DAddYE | rpc: yess |
| 13:48.18 | DAddYE | rpc: if Im connect with console I can create without problem |
| 13:49.00 | wols | cause whataver svn runs under has no permission to write in the /var/www subtree |
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| 13:49.20 | wols | when you are there via ssh you run under a different account |
| 13:49.27 | DAddYE | wols: how I can add the permission? |
| 13:49.34 | DAddYE | wols: no always root |
| 13:49.41 | wols | you run svn as root? |
| 13:49.47 | DAddYE | yesse |
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| 13:50.15 | wols | I don't think so. Permission deneid says otherwise |
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| 13:51.22 | DAddYE | wols: I don't thinks so, because I add now for test chmod 777 |
| 13:51.27 | DAddYE | wols: and don't work |
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| 13:51.51 | wols | what are the perms in /var/www/apps/lipsiacars/releases/ = |
| 13:51.53 | wols | ? |
| 13:52.00 | DAddYE | 777 |
| 13:52.18 | wols | you are lying to me |
| 13:52.27 | wols | if perms are 777 anyone can make any file |
| 13:52.46 | DAddYE | wols: I know is for test to know what is the problem |
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| 13:53.26 | wols | I don't actually understand what you're saying here but: if you know, why do you ask us who don't have your insight? |
| 13:53.48 | DAddYE | svn co --no-auth-cache -q -r4 svn+ssh://root@my.host.org/var/www/apps/lipsiacars/repos/trunk /var/www/apps/lipsiacars/releases/20070228135250 |
| 13:53.51 | DAddYE | is my code |
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| 13:54.48 | DAddYE | why this problem |
| 13:55.00 | DAddYE | ????????? |
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| 13:55.45 | DAddYE | ? |
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| 13:58.10 | DAddYE | wolsssssssssssss? |
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| 14:00.37 | setog3 | 86 .. :D |
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| 14:01.07 | DAddYE | can any help meeeeeeeeee? |
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| 14:01.13 | DeeJay | I'm trying to send an email telnetting my smtp server, but when i get the email my virus/antispam catches is as a "wrong" message, i've pasted it on http://paste.prco23.org/4383 - And how i try to email is at http://paste.prco23.org/4384 - What am i doing wrong? :/ |
| 14:01.21 | DAddYE | same Im stupid |
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| 14:04.41 | petemc | DeeJay: it explains why it thinks its spam in the message, what part dont you understand? |
| 14:04.41 | DeeJay | Hmm well i'm sending it incorrectly it seems |
| 14:04.42 | DeeJay | I have a website running, a CMS that sends the same way thru my smtp server |
| 14:04.42 | DeeJay | And it does fine |
| 14:04.43 | DeeJay | I have tried to compare the sources of the email, but no luch |
| 14:04.45 | DeeJay | luck* |
| 14:05.26 | xand | DeeJay: ask in #spamassassin |
| 14:05.32 | DeeJay | Okay thanks |
| 14:05.43 | DeeJay | We didnt have the channel on quakenet :) |
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| 14:14.49 | DAddYE | any can help me with: svn co -q -r2 svn+ssh://root@lipsiacars.lipsiasoft.org/var/www/apps/lipsiacars/repos/trunk /var/www/apps/lipsiacars/releases/20070228140038 ? |
| 14:14.59 | DAddYE | give me this error: |
| 14:15.08 | DAddYE | svn: Can't make directory '/var/www/apps/lipsiacars/releases/20070228140038': Permission denied |
| 14:15.21 | DAddYE | any? |
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| 14:15.51 | n0rus | Are there debian installer experienced people here? |
| 14:16.20 | n0rus | I'm stuck on a partitioning phase |
| 14:16.34 | n0rus | I do: d-i partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select Manually edit partition table |
| 14:16.58 | n0rus | Then I don't know how to tell the installer to select: pri/log 1.0 GB FREE SPACE |
| 14:17.52 | tarzeau | n0rus: arrow keys? |
| 14:18.06 | tarzeau | n0rus: tabulator and them? then enter? |
| 14:18.22 | ma3x | tarzeau: you're german speaking? |
| 14:18.32 | tarzeau | ma3x: yes i can |
| 14:18.56 | n0rus | tarzeau: are you even familiar with automatic installation procedure? |
| 14:19.11 | tarzeau | n0rus: yes |
| 14:19.22 | ma3x | tarzeau: check query |
| 14:19.38 | tarzeau | n0rus: oh, i've misread your question |
| 14:19.54 | tarzeau | n0rus: you've only got one harddisk as destination? and you're using which installer etch rc1 or a daily one? |
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| 14:20.16 | n0rus | tarzeau: it's a CF-card that need only one / partition. I'm installing sarge |
| 14:20.26 | n0rus | needs, I ment |
| 14:21.03 | tarzeau | n0rus: i see. the d-i is pretty different with all releases. i'd need to check my config files for sarge. i didn't succeed with etch automatic installs yet (using d-i+preseed) |
| 14:21.35 | n0rus | tarzeau: I didn't take a look at the etch preseed syntax |
| 14:22.21 | DAddYE | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:25.24 | sidjster | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.44 | sidjster | Suspicious TCP Data alot of them |
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| 14:26.25 | djr_ | perhaps bad packets, bad flags, spoofed src addr, traffic to ports rarely used etc |
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| 14:26.32 | djr_ | fragmented packets |
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| 14:26.55 | sidjster | Possible Port Scan' just keeps filling up the log |
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| 14:27.04 | abrotman | sidjster: what kind of router? |
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| 14:27.18 | sidjster | netgear fvs318 |
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| 14:27.50 | wols | sidjster: should ask the router maker what they think is a suspicious packet |
| 14:27.51 | sidjster | i just cleared the logs 3 min ago and there filling back up |
| 14:27.54 | wols | how should we know? |
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| 14:28.36 | djr_ | sidjster: I suggest not logging too much |
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| 14:29.39 | abrotman | sidjster: so ask netgear .. not us |
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| 14:32.24 | wols | most probably it's some tripe as connection (attempt) on non standard port |
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| 14:33.47 | foyleaber | How can I (under root) list all my ssh users and their passwords? |
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| 14:36.18 | vook | /quit |
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| 14:41.29 | abrotman | foyleaber: their hashed passwords? |
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| 14:42.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: and probably salted too |
| 14:43.03 | abrotman | depends |
| 14:43.09 | tarzeau | foyleaber: but what do you really want to do? and why? |
| 14:43.12 | panagos | when is debian etch out? |
| 14:43.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've never seen unsalted hashed system account password |
| 14:43.29 | tarzeau | panagos: dunc-bank.zoy.org |
| 14:44.01 | tarzeau | panagos: when the rc bug count is 0. now it's 86 |
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| 14:45.04 | foyleaber | tarzeau - Well, just list ssh users |
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| 14:45.23 | tarzeau | foyleaber: what's your definition of ssh users? |
| 14:45.31 | tarzeau | foyleaber: can you not just say users? |
| 14:45.38 | abrotman | !tell panagos about wwer |
| 14:45.52 | panagos | tarzeau: what does rc mean? |
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| 14:45.58 | Ronin | release canadiate |
| 14:46.13 | tarzeau | Ronin: no |
| 14:46.13 | foyleaber | I just want a list of users on the system |
| 14:46.25 | tarzeau | Ronin, panagos in this case it means release critical |
| 14:46.38 | tarzeau | Ronin: your rc is for version names |
| 14:46.55 | tarzeau | but rc is also remote control, sometimes and many other things, according to dict rc |
| 14:47.13 | Ronin | doh |
| 14:47.17 | Ronin | just ignore me :) |
| 14:48.24 | panagos | in "~/.bashrc", what does "rc" mean? |
| 14:49.02 | tarzeau | panagos: run commands, as in dict |
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| 14:53.13 | lotus-blade | how do you open th ports in debian? I need to open port 80 |
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| 14:53.46 | stew | lotus-blade: what is closing the port? debian doesn't install any firewalling by default |
| 14:53.47 | Ronin | lotus-blade: you install somethign that listens on port80 |
| 14:54.07 | lotus-blade | apache2 |
| 14:54.35 | lotus-blade | and it is the second choice on security level when I installed |
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| 14:55.27 | Ronin | lotus-blade: is it running? are you behind a box from your isp? does your isp block 80? |
| 14:56.00 | lotus-blade | not that I know of. suddenlink has all open ports that i know of |
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| 14:59.36 | wols | leonardo: if you run this as root: netstat -anp |grep LISTEN |grep 80 |
| 14:59.42 | wols | it should tell you if apache listens |
| 14:59.53 | wols | or if in fact anything listens on port 80 |
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| 15:01.51 | sugoruyo | hi all |
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| 15:03.42 | sugoruyo | can someone help me get started into debian? i'd like to know where i can find stuff like community documentation etc. kind of like the ones available for ubuntu... |
| 15:04.20 | Ronin | sugoruyo: guess you'd have to explain in detail what is available for ubuntu :) |
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| 15:04.48 | mindframe | anyone here use the pam_chroot module to chroot ssh? |
| 15:05.04 | sugoruyo | well they have this forum on their official website, and when some useful posts are made they turn it into a wiki page of sorts... |
| 15:05.06 | abrotman | !wiki |
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| 15:05.12 | abrotman | oh come on |
| 15:05.17 | abrotman | !wikifaq |
| 15:05.34 | sugoruyo | that kind of thing i guess |
| 15:05.35 | abrotman | sugoruyo: wiki.debian.org forums.debian.net debian.org/docs |
| 15:05.45 | abrotman | !forums |
| 15:05.48 | dpkg | hmm... forums is http://forums.debian.net/ http://www.debianhelp.org/ http://www.debianplanet.org/, or http://www.debianforums.org (basically dead) |
| 15:05.50 | lotus-blade | all I see is a tcp6 refferance |
| 15:05.53 | h3sp4wn | sugoruyo: The difference is the debian documentation is more likely to be correct |
| 15:06.04 | sugoruyo | most of the stuff i've run into on the official site of debian seems to be outdated |
| 15:06.15 | h3sp4wn | sugoruyo: (especially compared to the ubuntu forums which is maybe 5% stuff done properly) |
| 15:06.18 | abrotman | sugoruyo: such as ? |
| 15:06.41 | sugoruyo | don't recall a particular example but i found articles about stuff |
| 15:06.50 | sugoruyo | i wanted to do that were made for 2.0 |
| 15:06.55 | sugoruyo | and so on... |
| 15:07.08 | sugoruyo | h3sp4wn, that's why i don't want ubuntu |
| 15:07.09 | h3sp4wn | sugoruyo: http://debian-administration.org is pretty good |
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| 15:08.20 | lotus-blade | wols: this is the output: tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 4662/apache2 |
| 15:08.45 | wols | any reason it's ipv6? |
| 15:08.57 | wols | would that inclued ipv4? |
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| 15:09.03 | lotus-blade | no clue, I don't use ip6 |
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| 15:10.03 | stoned | kickapoo |
| 15:10.25 | kalila | if two css files are defined using <link rel="stylesheet"... in <head>, which takes precedence? |
| 15:10.29 | kalila | the first or the second? |
| 15:10.56 | abrotman | kalila: ask #web |
| 15:11.28 | eisen | Where should /usr/src/linux point to with the debian kernel image to compile modules? |
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| 15:11.57 | atlas95 | hi |
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| 15:12.24 | stew | eisen: nowhere. its recommended that you have no such directory |
| 15:12.35 | stew | eisen: (read README in the kernel source) |
| 15:12.51 | eisen | that does not help when the module source requires it though |
| 15:12.55 | hark | though m-a prepare should set that up |
| 15:13.09 | stew | eisen: file a bug against the module source. it shouldn't be there |
| 15:13.17 | stew | eisen: it should be using /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/bulid |
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| 15:13.36 | karmatronic | bulid/build |
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| 15:13.38 | eisen | yeah, tried that. Does not work though |
| 15:13.56 | eisen | setting that symlink to /lib/modules... that is |
| 15:13.58 | karmatronic | eisen: do you have your kernel sources |
| 15:13.59 | karmatronic | ? |
| 15:14.03 | stew | eisen: setting what symlink exactly? |
| 15:14.03 | eisen | yeah |
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| 15:14.13 | karmatronic | eisen: and where are there? |
| 15:14.46 | stew | eisen: what source are you compiling? it should be fixed to look in the correct location |
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| 15:15.09 | eisen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.14 | eisen | and it's truecrypt |
| 15:15.26 | eisen | sadly the build system is rather minimal |
| 15:15.29 | stew | eisen: what does /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build symlink to? |
| 15:15.37 | stew | eisen: is it from a debian package? |
| 15:15.51 | eisen | truecrypt? |
| 15:15.54 | stew | yes |
| 15:15.59 | eisen | no, it's from the site |
| 15:16.08 | eisen | I don't think there's a debian package |
| 15:16.39 | stew | eisen: well you sould tell them that looking for /usr/src/linux is broken |
| 15:16.41 | stew | 10:15 < stew> eisen: what does /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build symlink to? |
| 15:16.50 | eisen | I'm looking |
| 15:17.10 | eisen | to the linux headers in /usr/src |
| 15:17.22 | eisen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:17.25 | stew | eisen: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:17.28 | stoned | stew: I'm all over the dh_make manpage and I can't generate a diff.tar.gz! |
| 15:17.44 | eisen | 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 15:17.44 | stoned | stew: I can get a binary package and orig.tar.gz no problems |
| 15:17.55 | stoned | stew: what am I missing? |
| 15:18.04 | stew | stoned: the .orig.tar.gz is probably named incorrectly |
| 15:18.22 | stew | stoned: it needs to be exactly $packagename_$upstreamversion.orit.tar.gz |
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| 15:18.28 | stoned | I see |
| 15:18.30 | stew | orig* |
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| 15:21.25 | eisen | it's odd, maybe it does not work with the latest kernel at all |
| 15:21.41 | eisen | although one might assume building it would fail then |
| 15:21.52 | eisen | but it complains about the module format when inserting |
| 15:22.33 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 15:22.33 | dpkg | [mentors] Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 15:22.46 | wols | !praise gentoo |
| 15:22.55 | jetscreamer | patch written for different kernel perhaps |
| 15:23.01 | wols | where else can you find glibc optimising howtos |
| 15:23.06 | hark | invalid module format ? |
| 15:23.09 | eisen | I tried the module assistant with no luck. I can only assume the .config is not in the right place. |
| 15:23.12 | abrotman | wols: gnu.org ? |
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| 15:23.27 | wols | abrotman: not for optimizing it |
| 15:24.03 | wols | I want to totally rice out my kernel-libs-mplayer chain to get working videoplayback on a PII 300 notebook :) |
| 15:24.08 | eisen | hark: yeah, invalid module format |
| 15:24.35 | eisen | maybe it's not compiled for k7 by that crappy truecrypt build script |
| 15:24.47 | abrotman | wols: aalib ? |
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| 15:24.55 | Ciantic | anyone happens to know pretty way to get commandline args $2-$N in bash? |
| 15:24.57 | hark | !invalid module format |
| 15:24.57 | dpkg | [invalid module format] the error you get when you try to load a kerenl module which was compiled with a incompatibily different version of gcc from the versio nused to compiled the kernel. "cat /proc/version" will tell you what version of gcc was used to compile the kernel |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | Ciantic: #bash ? |
| 15:25.09 | jetscreamer | between 2.6.17 and 2.6.18 they changed the module format or something, if that helps |
| 15:25.24 | jetscreamer | or .16->.17 i forget |
| 15:25.25 | MarcoPau | hey my audio device will stay occupied after playing a flash vide on firefox, thus I won't be able to play any audio after that, unless I kill firefox. I also installed libpulse and libesd plus libflashsupport, but that didn't make any difference. Anybody has a hint? |
| 15:25.36 | hark | hmm, but shouldn't be for this case |
| 15:26.15 | simonrvn | !invalid module format =~ s,kerenl,kernel, |
| 15:26.15 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 15:26.20 | abrotman | kenrel! |
| 15:26.30 | simonrvn | !invalid module format =~ s,versio nused,version used, |
| 15:26.30 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 15:26.50 | simonrvn | sheesh, you'd think they'd pay attention to the spelling .. |
| 15:26.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:27.04 | abrotman | !kikismite simonrvn |
| 15:27.06 | simonrvn | it's a factoid |
| 15:27.10 | enouf | eisen: what does ls -al /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/ | grep build say? |
| 15:27.12 | cahoot | MarcoPau: what is FIREFOX_DSP set to? |
| 15:27.17 | simonrvn | !abrotmansmite abrotman |
| 15:27.24 | MarcoPau | cahoot: where to check? |
| 15:27.25 | abrotman | i don't have one |
| 15:27.29 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 15:27.29 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 15:27.32 | abrotman | that's all i got ... |
| 15:27.37 | simonrvn | !smite abrotman |
| 15:27.46 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.03 | eisen | so you mean the debian stock kernel is compiled by a different gcc than the one currently available in testing? |
| 15:28.11 | eisen | I would consider this a bug then |
| 15:29.00 | jetscreamer | eisen: not a bug but a function of time |
| 15:29.08 | jetscreamer | use the same gcc |
| 15:29.10 | jetscreamer | you can |
| 15:29.14 | MarcoPau | cahoot: there's many antries |
| 15:29.20 | eisen | enouf: build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 15:29.20 | MarcoPau | entries* |
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| 15:29.39 | foyleaber | I know how to find files, but how can I search for a certain piece of text within a file list? |
| 15:30.17 | jetscreamer | foyleaber: they'll tell you here, but that and much much more is frequently asked in #bash |
| 15:30.27 | jetscreamer | watch out for greycat & mwilson :) |
| 15:30.28 | foyleaber | Ah I see, sorry |
| 15:30.36 | jetscreamer | foyleaber: it's cool to ask here though |
| 15:30.40 | petemc | foyleaber: find /etc -type f -exec grep 192.168.0 {} \; -print |
| 15:30.45 | petemc | thats a shitty way to do it |
| 15:30.47 | petemc | but it works.. |
| 15:30.50 | jetscreamer | that's just an additional place to ask stuff |
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| 15:31.06 | jetscreamer | one with a big faq |
| 15:31.19 | MarcoPau | cahoot: there are some for /etc/alternatives/mozilla and for /etc/firefox/firefoxrc |
| 15:31.39 | eisen | well, I'll compile my own kernel then. To see if it works then. |
| 15:31.40 | cahoot | do the differ in content? |
| 15:31.43 | foyleaber | petemc - I assume the 192.168.0 is what it will be searching? |
| 15:31.48 | petemc | foyleaber: right |
| 15:31.51 | foyleaber | kk |
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| 15:32.15 | enouf | foyleaber: man grep see the -i -r options |
| 15:32.18 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:33.03 | enouf | foyleaber: but that works really for starting at an Parent dir that contains all the files in question |
| 15:34.02 | bryant | omfg some dude made like 50 attempts at my sshd |
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| 15:34.59 | Ronin | bryant: heh you get used to it |
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| 15:36.00 | bryant | http://pastebin.ca/375719 |
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| 15:36.04 | Ronin | yep |
| 15:36.06 | znh | Hello. |
| 15:36.08 | bryant | good god |
| 15:36.14 | petemc | bryant: its a worm, unless you have weak passwords its not of great concern - and there are ways to mitigate it |
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| 15:36.28 | Ronin | its just a worm bryant |
| 15:36.35 | znh | I'd like to know when the new kernel image for Debian Testing will be released. As the lastest kernel image contains a serious bug which corrupts the filesystem. Attention please |
| 15:36.40 | Ronin | be grateful it was only 50 |
| 15:36.41 | bryant | petemc: I'm about to have a nervous breakdown. what constitutes a weak password? |
| 15:36.54 | hark | foyleaber: find whatever |xargs grep pattern |
| 15:36.59 | petemc | bryant: dictionary words etc |
| 15:37.08 | petemc | passsword, master |
| 15:37.21 | jelly | znh: which filesystem? |
| 15:37.27 | znh | jelly, any |
| 15:37.40 | petemc | znh: is this bug reported? |
| 15:37.46 | Ronin | bryant: pick an alphnumeric, case sensitve one and a good length as well |
| 15:37.51 | bryant | brb gotta change my passwd |
| 15:37.55 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:37.56 | znh | petemc, yep and it has been solved by Linus himself, since December.. |
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| 15:38.01 | eisen | ok, that did not help. The testing kernel is compiled by the same gcc as on my box anyways |
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| 15:38.13 | panagos | will KDE 3.5.5 work under sarge? |
| 15:38.14 | jelly | znh: reference? |
| 15:38.35 | znh | jelly, http://kerneltrap.org/node/7518 |
| 15:38.52 | Trewas | znh: I'm very surprised if the debian kernels don't already have the fix |
| 15:39.38 | simonrvn | debian-built kernels are patched |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | !backports |
| 15:39.39 | dpkg | methinks backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 15:40.38 | simonrvn | for instance, sarge's 2.6.8 is more like a 2.6.20 without the new features and all the bug fixes... but that's stretching it A LOT |
| 15:40.42 | znh | Trewas, the problem still exists |
| 15:41.11 | streuner | heh |
| 15:41.23 | simonrvn | then file a bug on it and stop complaining here |
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| 15:42.04 | znh | simonrvn, it has already been fixed, for months! |
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| 15:42.12 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 15:42.24 | simonrvn | with debian's BTS |
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| 15:43.25 | znh | heh, this is a on-topic channel |
| 15:43.46 | bryant | ronin: my IQ is 163. what do you think? |
| 15:43.56 | VImtermute | yes. |
| 15:43.57 | VImtermute | :> |
| 15:43.59 | bryant | ronin: :P thanks for the advice, anyway |
| 15:44.04 | Ronin | iq doesnt mean smart or common sense |
| 15:44.06 | simonrvn | iq has nothing to do with intelligence, it's culturally biased |
| 15:44.10 | jelly | znh: it is, but if you want it fixed sooned, check for it being reported against linux-2.6 and/or report it. |
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| 15:44.38 | panagos | abrotman: !backports referred to me? |
| 15:44.54 | abrotman | yes ... try backports.org or ask #debian-kde |
| 15:44.59 | jelly | iq is a nice measure of ability to work iq tests ;-) |
| 15:45.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:45.18 | bryant | this is odd - the reverse dns of the one and only ip addr that keeps attacking me gives no results |
| 15:45.21 | simonrvn | a good measure of a person is their behaviour |
| 15:45.23 | jetscreamer | my iq is immesurable! (i refuse the test) |
| 15:45.30 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:45.31 | cydork | bryant: also using denyhosts or fail2ban is a good idea.. |
| 15:45.43 | Ronin | bryant: just ignore it, its a owned windows box, look into fail2ban etc. |
| 15:45.52 | Ronin | we could trade log files if you like? heh |
| 15:45.59 | znh | jelly, sooner? Err, do they even know that it exists? December is way back ago |
| 15:46.16 | simonrvn | i use iptables denyhosts, and sshd_sentry |
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| 15:46.28 | bryant | ronin: sure, paste away |
| 15:47.07 | simonrvn | put it this way, if the iptables doesn't stop them, denyhosts does ;) |
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| 15:47.24 | Trewas | znh: according to bug #401006 it was fixed in kernel 2.6.18.dfsg.1-9 in january 24th |
| 15:47.34 | simonrvn | there you go |
| 15:47.50 | simonrvn | i gtg, got a celebration to go to ;) |
| 15:48.01 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 15:48.02 | Ronin | heck a decent password and user name stops the owned windows machines i swear |
| 15:48.04 | simonrvn | 1 year anniversary of the reclamation at six nations! woot! |
| 15:48.29 | simonrvn | Ronin: yup |
| 15:48.29 | freetos | what kernel does sarge use? |
| 15:48.31 | znh | Trewas, well. They did it wrong then |
| 15:48.44 | wols | freetos: 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 |
| 15:48.55 | wols | at least I think it's .27 |
| 15:48.55 | cableroy | hi, i need a program that can watch if a file is created on the file system |
| 15:48.58 | freetos | wols, thanx |
| 15:49.09 | Trewas | znh: have you seen the bug still in the newer kernels? and are you sure it's the same bug |
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| 15:49.49 | znh | Trewas, Yeah. rTorrent still complains about hash errors, while I am using the newest kernel available (2.6.18-3-686) for testing |
| 15:49.56 | jelly | znh: hmm... are you running the corresponding 2.6.18-4-xxx binary ? |
| 15:50.36 | jelly | znh: upgrade linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 15:50.36 | bryant | brb |
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| 15:51.26 | jelly | znh: this will get the newer kernel package and hopefully keep it up-to-date on further ABI changes |
| 15:51.40 | znh | jelly, It says it's already the newest version, and yes, my reps are up to date |
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| 15:53.43 | blackba55 | can someone give me a mirror ? ... my country's is down :( |
| 15:53.52 | wols | !mirrors |
| 15:53.52 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 15:54.19 | blackba55 | i don't have apt-setup |
| 15:54.20 | jelly | znh: my apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 says it Depends on linux-image-2.6.18-4-686, and apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-686 shows I'm getting the version from testing... make sure you've updated. |
| 15:54.52 | znh | jelly, might it be possible you have reps of unstable? |
| 15:55.41 | wols | blackba55: do you know what an URL is? |
| 15:55.48 | jelly | znh: I do have both, but it's the same version in testing and unstable at present, and also the system is pinned to testing. |
| 15:56.00 | wols | dpkg's factoid just gave you 3 |
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| 15:56.37 | blackba55 | wols: i know what an URL is .... i'm using etch ... and it doesn't have any apt-setup ... |
| 15:56.52 | jelly | znh: I'm at linux-image-2.6-k7 2.6.18+6 (-686 is the same version) |
| 15:56.55 | znh | jelly, I updated my reps again, its seems to depend of linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 for me |
| 15:57.07 | jelly | znh: sounds ike your mirror is outdated |
| 15:57.33 | znh | jelly, that explains _allot_ |
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| 15:57.49 | jelly | znh: you live in 2006! :-) |
| 15:58.08 | znh | jelly, :') |
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| 15:59.18 | eisen | ok, I switched back to the previous debian kernel and it's working fine again (even after rebuilding the module). |
| 16:00.53 | jetscreamer | wow |
| 16:00.59 | jetscreamer | module format |
| 16:01.07 | jetscreamer | must have changed... |
| 16:01.13 | eisen | maybe |
| 16:01.23 | eisen | or the sources are mismatched somehow |
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| 16:02.36 | jetscreamer | i had the same with the ltmodem source, iirc |
| 16:02.46 | jetscreamer | 3 lines in the patch needed fixing |
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| 16:02.58 | jetscreamer | for the new format |
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| 16:03.50 | Zvpun | I want to run a ssh command to setup portforwarding during "/etc/init.d/networking start". This works fine but I dont know how to terminate it during "networking stop" any ideas? |
| 16:03.54 | eisen | I'll just put the image package on hold and wait if it hits other people. |
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| 16:06.00 | rgsteele | Zvpun: Edit the init.d script maybe? |
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| 16:09.20 | Zvpun | rgsteele: I edited it to start the ssh, but I dont know how to end a ssh running in background, maybe I can do something with process ids but I have no clue how to |
| 16:09.29 | cahoot | Zvpun: a script in /etc/network/if-down.d ? |
| 16:09.57 | rgsteele | Zvpun: Erm, any ssh processes running when you stop ssh will be terminated. |
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| 16:10.43 | Zvpun | rgsteele: I start ssh and its running in background, i dont stop it. I dont know how to stop it. Maybe I can kill it, but how do I know its pid? |
| 16:10.44 | petemc | rgsteele: i dont think thats the case |
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| 16:11.39 | Zvpun | cahoot, rgsteele: The question is more about. If I start A how can I terminate A later. |
| 16:12.07 | graytron | start-stop-daemon ? |
| 16:12.38 | Zvpun | I have to read the docs, I dont know start-stop-daemon. Brb. |
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| 16:17.35 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:17.36 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 16:17.55 | jan_ | hi, does anyone knows if the snort pacakge for debian can be used to run in inline mode? |
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| 16:21.05 | rgsteele | petemc: If I stop the ssh daemon, my connection will drop to the box, no? |
| 16:21.23 | lechef | if i want to install kdevelop 3.4x, what do i need to add to sources.list? |
| 16:21.26 | rgsteele | At least it always has in my world :) |
| 16:21.30 | lechef | i know something with experimental |
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| 16:21.45 | dhuv | hello all |
| 16:22.48 | enouf | Zvpun: maybe incorporate 'pkill ssh' into your script .. see http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#head-1dd3f0d072cd12fa567a6bf43263b2b2ab7b8113 and perhaps visit #bash |
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| 16:24.12 | lechef | i just read that unstable is enough |
| 16:24.33 | lechef | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian etch main contrib unstable |
| 16:24.38 | lechef | is this the right way? |
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| 16:26.32 | netman1 | Hi All. Probably discussed today: any possible solutions for the problems the new kernel images (2.6.18-4) have with xen? |
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| 16:27.00 | Milardovich | hi |
| 16:27.01 | Milardovich | hola |
| 16:27.16 | zamuro | !es |
| 16:27.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:27.16 | netman1 | I see pae issues popping up on machines that didn't have that before. |
| 16:27.38 | petemc | rgsteele: thinking about it, probably, yes - it does keep child processes alive when restarting tho.. |
| 16:28.07 | Zvpun | enouf: Thanks. I think start-stop-daemon is what I want. |
| 16:28.08 | rgsteele | petemc: Yeah, that also depends on how long the keepalive is set for though. |
| 16:28.16 | Milardovich | dpkg i'm argentine but i speak english well |
| 16:28.29 | netman1 | Especially, on 1GB machines the hypervisor complains that the new kernel has PAE enabled :-( |
| 16:28.32 | rgsteele | !fishsmite dpkg |
| 16:28.51 | Milardovich | xD |
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| 16:28.54 | enouf | Zvpun: right, then /etc/init.d/ssh stop (or similar) as rgsteele said ..yes? |
| 16:29.11 | rvalles | I updated/upgraded my sid yesterday after a week or so not doing so |
| 16:29.21 | enouf | !fix rgsteele |
| 16:29.31 | rvalles | and since then, every few minutes, my second HD which should be OFF turns ON. |
| 16:29.33 | rgsteele | eep! |
| 16:29.46 | rvalles | no filesystem or swap from that HD is mounted or being used |
| 16:29.55 | rvalles | I can't figure out what's wrong |
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| 16:30.15 | rvalles | since the HD automatically shut down after a few minutes |
| 16:30.21 | rvalles | it turns off, on, off, on... |
| 16:30.25 | enouf | !say rgsteele sings the bobbit song |
| 16:30.25 | dpkg | rgsteele sings the bobbit song |
| 16:30.41 | rvalles | I have forced a longer timeout in order not to fry it from the switching. |
| 16:30.53 | rgsteele | rvalles: Why not just disable that hdd in the bios? |
| 16:31.18 | rvalles | rgsteele: because the PC is old and the bios can only boot from there |
| 16:31.35 | rvalles | rgsteele: so /boot is there and the kernel then uses root=thenewandbigone. |
| 16:31.37 | kelsin | In unstable, it would appear that there is no nvidia-kernel package to satisfy the nvidia-glx package for the 9x series drivers, Is this just a product of unstable or is the driver found to be very buggy? |
| 16:31.54 | h3sp4wn | kelsin: 9xxx is only in experimental |
| 16:32.01 | rgsteele | rvalles: Ok, well why not create the same bootsector on the other drive using Ghost4Linux or something and do away with the booting hdd altogether? |
| 16:32.10 | h3sp4wn | kelsin: unless it has very recently changed |
| 16:32.11 | rvalles | rgsteele: it used to shut down and don't bother again; been that way for a year or so. |
| 16:32.12 | rgsteele | It's not hte most practical thing in the world, but it does what you want I think. |
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| 16:32.16 | kelsin | h3sp4wn: ok thanks |
| 16:32.26 | rvalles | rgsteele: why? because in the bios the new HD is seen as "none". |
| 16:32.50 | h3sp4wn | kelsin: You need the kernel-source from experimental (build with m-a) then you can install the deb's - why do you need 9xxx |
| 16:32.52 | rgsteele | rvalles: What do the logs say? Can you see a process that's attempting to mount it? |
| 16:32.55 | rvalles | rgsteele: if not, it'll just hang during the detection at bootup. |
| 16:32.56 | tiolxpe | anyone here had any success installing truecrypt on debian etch |
| 16:33.06 | rgsteele | rvalles: And, what kernel are you using? |
| 16:33.13 | rvalles | rgsteele: no, I cannot; I even tried shutting down everything. |
| 16:33.24 | kelsin | h3sp4wn: wanted to fool with compiz and stuff, need the texture_from_pixmap opengl extension |
| 16:33.52 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 16:34.14 | rgsteele | rvalles: Well, something's causing the filesystem to attempt to mount the device. Check the logs, especially syslog and dmesg. |
| 16:34.27 | rvalles | rgsteele: I'm using 2.6.20 with the new PATA, but it has worked fine for months (the new PATA) and for weeks (the kernel). Last night I moved to 2.6.20.1 because of the NFS bug (I use NFS), but that's after the problem appeared. |
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| 16:34.47 | h3sp4wn | kelsin: I don't remember the trigger but it is in experimental (as long as you build the kernel module its fine) I a am using it fine |
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| 16:35.02 | rvalles | rgsteele: I did check, found nothing. Also, it doesn't get mounted, and also, it doesn't get used as swap |
| 16:35.04 | rgsteele | Well, if it helps at all, when I went up to 2.6.20, I had to hand tweak my kernel because the location of the SATA drivers had changed. |
| 16:35.18 | rgsteele | Completely broke things until I did that. |
| 16:35.20 | kelsin | h3sp4wn: ok so I have to build the nvidia-kernel package, which is why it's coming up as unsatisfied :) thanks |
| 16:35.23 | h3sp4wn | kelsin: But if it messes up (because its in experimental etc) then #debian is not responsible |
| 16:35.25 | rvalles | rgsteele: I guess I'll have to go with btrace or sth like that and try to figure out things. |
| 16:35.27 | kelsin | h3sp4wn: I'll look into doing that |
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| 16:35.38 | rvalles | rgsteele: it's not 2.6.20 because the problem appeared yesterday. |
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| 16:35.48 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:35.49 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 16:35.52 | rgsteele | You said last night you moved to 2.6.20? |
| 16:35.58 | kelsin | h3sp4wn: yeah I understand, just couldn't figure out why the package wasn't there at all, figure it was a glitch thing, but now it's been a month :) that makes more sense :) |
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| 16:36.09 | rvalles | no, 2.6.20.1, and that was after the problem, not before. |
| 16:36.10 | rgsteele | Oh, 20.1 |
| 16:36.15 | rgsteele | Check the changelog for the kernel |
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| 16:36.24 | rvalles | at first I suspected udev |
| 16:36.26 | rgsteele | See what differs. Might give you some insight as to where to drill down. |
| 16:36.35 | rvalles | and that libvolumeid or whatever is called |
| 16:36.41 | rvalles | but killing udevd didn't fix the problem |
| 16:36.44 | kelsin | h3sp4wn: building the kernel driver was the step I was missing, thanks for your help |
| 16:36.50 | rgsteele | I'd check the changelog. |
| 16:36.55 | rgsteele | And go from there. |
| 16:37.01 | rvalles | even more, I killed everything I could, I was left with the bare minimum and waited... and it still happened |
| 16:37.03 | h3sp4wn | kelsin: same as above except nvidia-kernel-source/experimental and nvidia-glx/experimenal (and the /etc/modules bit is nolonger needed) |
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| 16:38.20 | Skrot | Hi, can I make scp not overwrite existing files? |
| 16:38.49 | rvalles | rgsteele: worst part is I cannot sleep with that noise! |
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| 16:39.06 | rvalles | rgsteele: and debian doesn't seem to have a btrace package, yet |
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| 16:39.27 | rvalles | so I'll have to build it by hand in order to try and figure out the problem... :/ |
| 16:39.30 | rgsteele | rvalles: Dunno what btrace is. All the tracing I've ever needed was handled by strace or gdb |
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| 16:39.48 | rvalles | rgsteele: btrace is new in 2.6.something |
| 16:40.02 | Zvpun | enouf: I dont understand your question but I am not finished yet |
| 16:40.05 | rvalles | rgsteele: a kernel-level hook to trace block device I/O |
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| 16:40.31 | rvalles | rgsteele: so I can just say "I wanna watch this block device" |
| 16:40.49 | rvalles | rgsteele: and it'll tell me which data is getting read or written |
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| 16:41.11 | rgsteele | rvalles: Maybe do an lsof |
| 16:41.11 | rvalles | rgsteele: FS developers like it... specially when they see their FSs doing really dumb things. |
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| 16:41.24 | rgsteele | rvalles: See what processes are using the device, and strace those |
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| 16:41.34 | rvalles | rgsteele: thought so... did a fuser. |
| 16:41.37 | rvalles | rgsteele: nobody. |
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| 16:42.13 | rgsteele | rvalles: When all else fails, take the machine out into the field and give it the "Office Space" treatment. |
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| 16:44.03 | rgsteele | rvalles: Maybe you could ask in #kernel |
| 16:44.13 | rgsteele | They might've seen this. |
| 16:46.21 | rgsteele | rvalles: I'd test it out for you, but silly work expects me to earn a paycheck and probably wouldn't like me doing a dist-upgrade on my home box :) |
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| 16:46.31 | Orfeous | anton@anton:/dev$ sudo mformat a: |
| 16:46.32 | Orfeous | mformat: Can't open /dev/fd0: Read-only file system |
| 16:46.33 | dkr | is 'highlight misspelled words' in gaim on etch working for anyone? the readme says you need libgtkspell, and I do have that package installed also |
| 16:46.35 | Orfeous | what to do? |
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| 16:47.10 | rgsteele | rvalles: remount -rw /dev/fd0 (syntax incorrect) |
| 16:47.18 | rgsteele | bah, s/rvalles/Orfeous/ |
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| 16:47.43 | rgsteele | mount -o remount,rw /dev/fd0 |
| 16:47.45 | lechef | does anybody know how to install kdevelop 3.4.x with apt-get ? |
| 16:47.46 | rgsteele | I think? |
| 16:48.50 | lechef | i have a testing distribution |
| 16:49.07 | rgsteele | lechef: Going out on a limb here... apt-get install kdevelop -t unstable maybe? |
| 16:49.52 | rgsteele | lechef: I know the man pages aren't like reading the comics, but they do help sometimes ;) |
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| 16:50.01 | lovingyou | hello, how to install a .deb file ? |
| 16:50.02 | lechef | hehe |
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| 16:50.16 | rgsteele | lovingyou: dpkg -i blah.deb |
| 16:50.29 | lechef | i dont like fixing dependencies |
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| 16:51.31 | valdyn | !info kdevelop etch |
| 16:51.32 | valdyn | !info kdevelop sid |
| 16:51.32 | rgsteele | lechef: Well, dpkg does it for you, unless you grab stuff from another version. In which case, it's a necessary evil. Of course, you could check backports.org, et. al., first.... |
| 16:51.39 | dpkg | kdevelop: (An IDE for Unix/X11), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.5-1 (etch), Packaged size: 7944 kB, Installed size: 24684 kB |
| 16:51.40 | dpkg | kdevelop: (An IDE for Unix/X11), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 8472 kB, Installed size: 25772 kB |
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| 16:52.20 | lechef | i already went through all this |
| 16:52.39 | lechef | at first i got some dependency problems because i had an older kdevelop-data installed |
| 16:52.44 | valdyn | lechef: have you tried the 'simple sid backport' ? |
| 16:52.48 | lechef | after deleting this i stilled had problems |
| 16:52.55 | lechef | because the package was missing |
| 16:53.04 | valdyn | lechef: you're not supposed to just install sid package(s) |
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| 16:53.12 | lechef | btw apt-get install kdevelop -t unstable doesnt work |
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| 16:53.18 | lechef | i get 3.3.5 with this |
| 16:53.41 | valdyn | lechef: because you have no sid sources, and doing that command is stupid even if it 'works' |
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| 16:55.10 | valdyn | !depends kdevelop sid |
| 16:55.15 | dpkg | kdevelop: depends on kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libattr1 (>= 2.4.4-1), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcvsservice0 (>= 4:3.5.5-1), libdb4.3 (>= 4.3.28-1), libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.7), libsm6, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), ... |
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| 16:55.46 | lechef | yes |
| 16:55.46 | enouf | Trewas: jelly-home I told that znh guy yesterday to go here http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/current/changelog and search the term "corruption" .. easily findable |
| 16:55.53 | lechef | thats why i wanted to use apt-get |
| 16:56.12 | lechef | however none of your proposals worked |
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| 16:56.23 | lechef | so i guess its just not that easy |
| 16:56.27 | valdyn | lechef: have you tried the simple sid backport? |
| 16:56.36 | lechef | my guess was to add experimental to sources.list |
| 16:56.38 | valdyn | lechef: so far i didn't propose anything |
| 16:56.41 | lechef | but i dont know how |
| 16:56.46 | rgsteele | !msg lechef simple sid backport |
| 16:56.54 | rgsteele | Bah, I hosed that syntax I bet |
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| 16:57.17 | lechef | what is a "simple sid backport" |
| 16:57.23 | znh | enouf, apperently we had a miscommunication as I havent heard you about it |
| 16:57.29 | valdyn | !simple sid backport |
| 16:57.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly. |
| 16:57.29 | lechef | sorry im pretty new |
| 16:57.41 | rvalles | 17:47:09 < rgsteele> rvalles: remount -rw /dev/fd0 (syntax incorrect) |
| 16:57.42 | enouf | znh: no worries |
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| 16:57.52 | valdyn | lechef: you can try that, but it will probably fail. If it works it's the cleanest solution around |
| 16:57.59 | oanagos | where is the apt cache stored? |
| 16:58.04 | rvalles | Orfeus: mount -o remount,rw whatever |
| 16:58.05 | rvalles | or |
| 16:58.10 | rvalles | Orfeus: mount -o remount=rw whatever |
| 16:58.12 | rvalles | not sure ;) |
| 16:58.19 | rgsteele | rvalles: I'm pretty sure I followed up with mount -o remount,rw /dev/fd0 |
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| 16:58.26 | valdyn | oanagos: you mean the db that apt-cache searches? |
| 16:58.28 | rvalles | rgsteele: I missed that |
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| 16:58.33 | rvalles | rgsteele: too bad. |
| 16:58.45 | lechef | what means probably fail? |
| 16:58.48 | rgsteele | rgsteele>rvalles: remount -rw /dev/fd0 (syntax incorrect) <rgsteele>bah, s/rvalles/Orfeous/<rgsteele>mount -o remount,rw /dev/fd0 |
| 16:58.48 | valdyn | oanagos: that db is not owned or created by apt |
| 16:58.54 | honschu | Hi, how to allow a user to use nice with a better value that is only for root? |
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| 16:59.24 | valdyn | lechef: simple sid backport involves compiling a debian package from source. That will probably fail, nothing is lost trying. |
| 16:59.41 | lechef | time |
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| 16:59.55 | valdyn | lechef: yea, a few seconds to cut and paste a command. |
| 17:00.00 | lechef | and my nerves |
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| 17:00.05 | honschu | for example "nice -n -19 ls" isn't allowed as normal user, how to allow? |
| 17:00.08 | lechef | im messing around quite a while with this |
| 17:00.17 | valdyn | lechef: pay someone to maintain your computer if you cant be bothered. |
| 17:00.19 | rvalles | rgsteele: I believed you, no need. |
| 17:00.21 | lechef | :) |
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| 17:00.32 | rgsteele | !beer rvalles |
| 17:00.42 | r3factored | Ive compiled an app from source. I used checkinstall and it worked fine ( no errors ). I installed the package with dpkg but it does not show up in dpkg -l. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 17:00.46 | rgsteele | ;) |
| 17:01.09 | valdyn | r3factored: you are search for the wrong packagename with dpkg -l |
| 17:01.15 | valdyn | r3factored: you are searching for the wrong packagename with dpkg -l |
| 17:01.24 | valdyn | r3factored: try dpkg -l | grep name |
| 17:01.25 | rgsteele | I could use a beer right now. Oh wait... is it noon yet? .... guess I could put off wanting one for another few minutes. |
| 17:01.32 | r3factored | valdyn: ah ok thanks |
| 17:02.11 | valdyn | r3factored: checkinstall used to sometimes add the version to the package name. That seems to be fixed at least for some cases, i dont know about yours |
| 17:02.13 | Ronin | rgsteele: its always after noon somewhere in the world |
| 17:02.27 | rgsteele | Ronin: I'll drink to that. |
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| 17:02.42 | matlads | :) |
| 17:02.44 | r3factored | valdyn: ahh there it is cool - dont know why i didnt think of that. I was using the same name that shows up oh well |
| 17:03.10 | r3factored | valdyn: correction i wasnt - no caps in name. cool thanks |
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| 17:03.56 | CBG | Hi, I'm looking to partition an external HD, one partition with Mac's file system, the other to install Debian onto - what file system should this be? |
| 17:04.12 | valdyn | CBG: ext3 |
| 17:04.18 | matlads | CBG: ext3 |
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| 17:04.36 | lechef | valdyn, how do i find out whether the package has been backported? |
| 17:04.53 | valdyn | lechef: nothing is backported for etch i bet |
| 17:05.25 | CBG | valdyn, matlads, I would be using Mac's Disk Utility to partition, it offers only a few Mac file systems, MS-DOS and a "UNIX File System", which of those is best, or shall I try some other app? |
| 17:05.51 | xand | use debian to do it |
| 17:05.56 | xand | with cfdisk |
| 17:06.00 | valdyn | CBG: you can format the partition from the debian installer, i guess, the partition ID has no relevance |
| 17:06.04 | lechef | valdyn, do you use kdevelop? |
| 17:06.09 | valdyn | CBG: you could chose whatever, unix is ok |
| 17:06.16 | valdyn | CBG: and you can change it later.. |
| 17:06.25 | CBG | Ok, thanks guys. |
| 17:07.21 | valdyn | CBG: only use of this ID may be retarded tools or just plain usability when listing a partition table, for users |
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| 17:08.09 | CBG | valdyn: ok, thank you. :) |
| 17:08.13 | valdyn | lechef: no |
| 17:08.14 | lechef | valdyn, there is the possibility to add experimental mirrors,right? but how do i do this? |
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| 17:08.33 | valdyn | lechef: you don't, experimental is not for users |
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| 17:09.38 | harix | TolstoyInlove: wb ;) |
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| 17:11.13 | oanagos | valdyn: i understand that the db is maintained by dpkg, but where is it stored anyway? |
| 17:11.19 | rgsteele | Any vi whizzes out there? I want to make the same change to ~200 files. So, I want a macro that will do that. I know I can do something like 'vi *.txt', and make the change, do a :wn, followed by a ., and repeat...but for 200 or so files that gets old real quick. |
| 17:11.37 | petemc | rgsteele: why do you want to use vi to do that? |
| 17:11.54 | rgsteele | Mostly because I wanted to see if I could make a vi macro do that. :) |
| 17:12.05 | petemc | sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' * |
| 17:12.07 | rgsteele | I'm pretty sure I can, I just don't know how, heh. |
| 17:12.40 | rgsteele | petemc: Yeah, but I want to add it to a particular blank spot in each file... I'm not replacing text, just adding another line. |
| 17:12.51 | petemc | sed can probably do that too |
| 17:13.03 | rgsteele | Probably, but I bet it would be neater to make vi do it ;) |
| 17:13.16 | stew | rgsteele: ask #vim |
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| 17:13.44 | x_link | hrmm |
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| 17:14.05 | rgsteele | stew: Good idea. Thanks. |
| 17:14.12 | bucketfan99 | so i was just delivered 2 debian 3.1 machines. and i did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 17:14.18 | x_link | When I re-installed my Debian Etch I did --> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7, and when I have booted I choosed to load that kernel in GRUB |
| 17:14.20 | bucketfan99 | and they are both trying to remove the currently running kernel version |
| 17:14.25 | bucketfan99 | but this sounds really wrong. |
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| 17:14.41 | x_link | But now I have 2.6.18-4-k7 as well, I haven't installed that. |
| 17:14.41 | x_link | Can somebody explain that for me? |
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| 17:17.15 | psyco-obiwan | can discover tell me how many memory my graphic card has ? |
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| 17:18.10 | cahoot | psyco-obiwan: I'd try hwinfo |
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| 17:19.39 | hamid | ! |
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| 17:20.08 | cahoot | psyco-obiwan: actullay lspci -v was enough |
| 17:21.03 | valdyn | bucketfan99: 'upgrade' doesn't remove anything |
| 17:21.11 | bucketfan99 | well it tried to |
| 17:21.30 | valdyn | bucketfan99: no, 'upgrade' does not, you did something else |
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| 17:21.53 | bucketfan99 | well, what i ddid is this. i put testingg mirrors on a stable machine and ran upgrade |
| 17:21.56 | bucketfan99 | and , it did try that |
| 17:22.29 | valdyn | bucketfan99: known issue, just install a kernel |
| 17:22.30 | psyco-obiwan | cahoot: thx, huuh..can an onboard i810 have 64meg of ram ? I had 4096 in xorg.conf till right now ;-P |
| 17:22.43 | bucketfan99 | its got a kernel already |
| 17:22.45 | bucketfan99 | what do you mean ? |
| 17:22.51 | valdyn | bucketfan99: install an etch kernel |
| 17:22.58 | cahoot | psyco-obiwan: no idea |
| 17:23.04 | bucketfan99 | risky business |
| 17:23.04 | valdyn | bucketfan99: but again: 'upgrade' does not remove a package ever |
| 17:23.20 | bucketfan99 | IT TRIED TO |
| 17:23.23 | bucketfan99 | i don't care what you say dude |
| 17:23.27 | bucketfan99 | i did 2 fucking things |
| 17:23.32 | bucketfan99 | dont tell me what it didnt do, cuz it di |
| 17:23.33 | bucketfan99 | did |
| 17:23.33 | valdyn | bucketfan99: installing a beta version is always risky, why are you upgrading to testing if you are not asking for risk? |
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| 17:23.43 | valdyn | bucketfan99: show us the logs |
| 17:23.50 | psyco-obiwan | its onboard on cheapo compaq deskpro 800Mhz...I can't imagine they have 64meg of vga mem, while the boxes where shipped with 128meg of ram... |
| 17:23.50 | bucketfan99 | which logs |
| 17:23.55 | Ronin | calm down bucketfan99 |
| 17:24.02 | valdyn | bucketfan99: output of the commands including the commands |
| 17:24.02 | bucketfan99 | ill take a time out |
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| 17:25.14 | oanagos | where can i find te openoffice.org source code? |
| 17:25.25 | valdyn | oanagos: the debian source? |
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| 17:25.58 | Rydekull | oanagos: the answer to that is kinda funny, openoffice.org |
| 17:26.36 | valdyn | asking questions then renaming yourself is smart |
| 17:26.43 | stew | bucketfan99: the only way upgrade might try to remove a package is if it was already marked for removal by some previous request |
| 17:26.53 | Rydekull | stew: he left :) |
| 17:27.16 | panagos | Rydekull: which one is it? :D |
| 17:28.05 | stoned | when aptitude proposes to downgrade a package to resolve dependencies, and you chose yes to downgrade, where do the lower version packages come from? |
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| 17:28.28 | Milardovich | http://www.eco22.com/ranking/index.php?id=492 |
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| 17:28.37 | valdyn | stoned: apt-cache policy <package> ? |
| 17:28.40 | Ronin | no need to spam Milardovich |
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| 17:29.53 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: that's a bios setting |
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| 17:30.10 | stoned | 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main Packages |
| 17:30.13 | valdyn | psyco-obiwan: i8xx gfx chips use main memory as gfx memory |
| 17:30.30 | stoned | but.. that means the main repository holds many versions of a package? |
| 17:30.34 | stoned | or not? |
| 17:30.56 | Rydekull | stoned: It can, yes, each package filename holds the versionname aswell |
| 17:31.05 | valdyn | stoned: not really |
| 17:31.26 | stoned | which one is it fellas? |
| 17:31.55 | stoned | I just recieved a notice and I have no idea which network it came from |
| 17:31.56 | stoned | lol |
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| 17:32.41 | stoned | oh nm so anyway, about the question I had asked |
| 17:32.45 | lordnazgul | is it possible to specify a different umask for a specific directory? |
| 17:32.46 | stoned | it can, but does it? |
| 17:33.00 | stew | lordnazgul: no |
| 17:33.10 | lordnazgul | stew ok thanks |
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| 17:33.24 | valdyn | lordnazgul: with a bind mount hack i guess |
| 17:33.44 | stew | interesting |
| 17:33.48 | stoned | oh nm I check it myself |
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| 17:42.03 | waspius | hello can someone tell me how to change my settings from unix to something else? |
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| 17:42.15 | stew | waspius: what settings? |
| 17:43.20 | waspius | stew: when i installed debian and opened kde a menu opened where u chose what u wanted...windows,unix,maosx and i chose unix whixh has become inconvenient |
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| 17:43.36 | Ronin | waspius: kcontrol iirc |
| 17:43.58 | stew | a grub menu? |
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| 17:44.29 | Ronin | stew: iirc when you first start kde you have to configure it |
| 17:44.40 | heh_v_water | yes it has a wizard that asks this stuff |
| 17:44.42 | stew | Ronin: and its possible to configure it to boot macosx? |
| 17:44.45 | Ronin | how it looks, behaves, flashing icons etc. |
| 17:44.55 | stew | oh |
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| 17:44.58 | Ronin | stew: ya, windows too for somd odd reason |
| 17:45.03 | heh_v_water | stew, no it's how the windows are managed IE mac-like, win-like |
| 17:45.05 | h3sp4wn | waspius: You don't like sloopy mouse pointor |
| 17:45.13 | waspius | h3sp4wn: no |
| 17:45.16 | h3sp4wn | waspius: I hate any window manager without it |
| 17:45.32 | HardDisk_WP | what's the group for update-alternatives for email? |
| 17:45.45 | waspius | Ronin: i tried the command but i get a message use help etc |
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| 17:45.51 | heh_v_water | waspius, you can also change all those settings with control panel |
| 17:46.12 | heh_v_water | oops Control Center |
| 17:46.16 | h3sp4wn | waspius: Its somewhere in kcontorl |
| 17:46.21 | waspius | heh_v_water: yeah well i dont seem to find them |
| 17:46.22 | h3sp4wn | *kcontrol |
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| 17:46.49 | Ronin | didnt i say that :) |
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| 17:49.21 | HardDisk_WP | what's the group for update-alternatives for email? |
| 17:49.36 | stew | HardDisk_WP: what do you mean by "email"? |
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| 17:49.55 | HardDisk_WP | stew, when I open email links in a application, evolution is called... |
| 17:50.11 | HardDisk_WP | had same problem w/ iceweasel, update-alt.. --config x-www-browser helped |
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| 17:50.34 | tiolxpe | i wonder if anyone can help me i am trying to compile a few applications from source and it has some dependencies when i try to install the dependencies via aptitude it tells me that it is already installed however why cant the program im trying to compile see it??? |
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| 17:51.01 | HardDisk_WP | !update-alternatives? |
| 17:51.01 | dpkg | i guess update-alternatives is a program to run from the command line?, or a tool for creating, removing, maintaining and displaying information about the symbolic links comprising the debian alternatives system |
| 17:51.10 | stew | HardDisk_WP: i don't think there is one. you could try "grep update-alternatives /var/lib/dpkg/info/evolution*" to see if it isntalled itself as an alternative |
| 17:51.11 | cahoot | tiolxpe: you want -dev pkgs |
| 17:51.22 | stew | HardDisk_WP: however it might be using mailcap instead |
| 17:51.26 | HardDisk_WP | stew, it is...icedove |
| 17:51.34 | waspius | anyway i cannot find it |
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| 17:52.00 | cahoot | tiolxpe: i e the corresponding -dev pkgs |
| 17:52.04 | waspius | another problem i have is that my touchpad is not working properly..i cannot scroll with it not does tapping work |
| 17:52.20 | waspius | i installed a driver but still the same |
| 17:52.22 | stew | !info ksynaptics |
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| 17:52.26 | dpkg | ksynaptics: (Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE), section kde, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 208 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 17:53.02 | heh_v_water | waspius if you would like to start over with your kde settings like the first time you logged in you can remove the .kde directory in your home directory as well |
| 17:53.12 | heh_v_water | log out and log back in |
| 17:53.14 | tiolxpe | cahoot, i cannot find an alternative .deb package |
| 17:53.20 | waspius | heh_v_water: ok thanx allot |
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| 17:53.39 | tiolxpe | cahoot surely i must be able to get it to compile from source witohut having to resort to .debs? |
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| 17:54.22 | cahoot | tiolxpe: you need the corresponding -dev pkg for each lib that's needed |
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| 17:55.39 | kelsin | tiolxpe: for example if the program depended on libpng you need the libpng-dev package |
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| 17:57.09 | tiolxpe | cheers i'll give that ablast |
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| 17:59.48 | tiolxpe | one thing i have done is install glib from source when i try to compile things now that i cant get in .deb it comes up saying i have two versions of "glib-2.0' returned 2.12.9, but GLIB (2.12.4)" how can i point it to use the latest version from now on? |
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| 18:01.18 | heh_v_water | tiolxpe, is there a reason for needing things like glib compiled from source? Are you making it so it does something it couldn't before? |
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| 18:02.41 | suppaman | hi |
| 18:02.45 | tiolxpe | to be honest no its me messing about i tryed to install something i could only get from source and it couldnt see glib so i tryed getting the glib.dev and it said it was already installed so i thought i'd do it from source |
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| 18:02.53 | rpedro__ | !wine |
| 18:02.53 | dpkg | from memory, wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
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| 18:03.04 | tiolxpe | i suppose the damage is done but its a learning curve :d |
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| 18:04.17 | heh_v_water | tiolxpe, yup ;lesson to learn, now the challenge is can you fix it.. hehe |
| 18:04.44 | tiolxpe | yup i'll figure it out |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | hi damog |
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| 18:06.08 | heh_v_water | tiolxpe, next time whne that happens first thing to do is look fo rthe files it can't find on your system, maybe the configure file can be changed or an addition to config comamnd can be added |
| 18:06.56 | tiolxpe | yeah i done an updatedb and tryed locate the files but couldnt find a location that stood out so i figured it wasnt actually installed |
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| 18:07.04 | tiolxpe | more than likely an oversight on my behalve |
| 18:07.17 | zan_ | http://digg.com/offbeat_news/Friends_2_0_New_Consulting_Firm_Offers_to_Optimize_your_Social_Life |
| 18:07.19 | zan_ | is that for real? |
| 18:08.03 | tiolxpe | im trying to get truecrypt on my debian etch but cant find a .deb file for it however i can find one for sarge i know you should stick to the distro but would it be bad if i installed the sarge package? |
| 18:08.09 | heh_v_water | tiolxpe, possibly, you never know though you may be right I've seen some weird things.. other thign is say your looking for a lib.. try to apt-cache search libname.so or whatever |
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| 18:08.54 | michaele | Does anyone know of a way to change the trigger level of at 16C950 UART? |
| 18:09.11 | tiolxpe | heh_v_water, thanks for the tips |
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| 18:09.51 | tziku | hello , how can i load .mrc scripts using debian ? ( .mrc is for mirc some scripts) |
| 18:10.15 | PDani | hi |
| 18:10.34 | Ronin | tziku: mirc scripts? why not use a linux client and use thier scripts instead of mirc |
| 18:10.38 | heh_v_water | tziku, maybe run mirc using wine and load them into that? I don't believe there is a linux client that uses .mrc scriopts |
| 18:11.10 | PDani | i tried to upgrade my testing system, but i think there's some problem with python-uno package. does anybody know something about this? |
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| 18:12.07 | tziku | i have a games server and a game server ( MTA-SA ) is cotroled by an Mirc Script...so i need a windows to run 24/24 ..i don't have only a linux |
| 18:12.39 | Ronin | so run windows then |
| 18:12.49 | Ronin | eww cant believe i just typed that |
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| 18:12.53 | heh_v_water | HA! |
| 18:13.00 | tziku | :(( |
| 18:13.02 | Muisje | btw tziku it's 24/7 not 24/24 |
| 18:13.02 | Muisje | :p |
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| 18:13.16 | tziku | it 24 of 24 hours :D |
| 18:13.21 | heh_v_water | tziku, try wine although it's going to be a bit of work |
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| 18:13.46 | Ronin | or figure out what the script does and write it for a linux client |
| 18:13.56 | Muisje | 24 / 7 means hours a day / days of week |
| 18:14.28 | tziku | ok..my mistake but dosn't matter |
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| 18:14.46 | heh_v_water | i like Ronin's suggestion |
| 18:14.48 | DavidProck1981 | 24/0 |
| 18:14.48 | tziku | i don't know to write that kind of script..is with a lot of menus |
| 18:15.10 | tziku | so..i don't have only a linux 24/7 ( Muisje ) |
| 18:15.48 | DavidProck1981 | 24/365 |
| 18:15.53 | heh_v_water | ha! |
| 18:15.58 | heh_v_water | 24/7/365 |
| 18:16.18 | DavidProck1981 | that is just dumb |
| 18:16.27 | DavidProck1981 | makes no sense |
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| 18:16.58 | waspius | can someone tell me how all usb devices can be made to mount automatically? |
| 18:17.11 | heh_v_water | well in geek talk yes but in common language that is proper |
| 18:17.17 | waspius | wrong they do |
| 18:17.20 | DavidProck1981 | waspius: mine do |
| 18:17.37 | waspius | yeah it was do to having chosen the unix format before |
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| 18:18.33 | waspius | ok..probably silly question but when u add another panel how can u configure it to add apps etc? |
| 18:18.43 | Ronin | panel to what? |
| 18:18.52 | heh_v_water | my living room :P |
| 18:19.15 | waspius | what do u mean to what? |
| 18:19.23 | ryry37 | Hey, I'm using KDE 3.5.5 on Debian testing, and when I have my ethernet card enabled, it takes a long time for KDE applications to load, any one have any ideas as to why? |
| 18:19.24 | waspius | add a seconf panel on my desktop |
| 18:19.32 | heh_v_water | you mean apanel in KDE like a child panel |
| 18:19.40 | waspius | yes |
| 18:19.48 | stew | ryry37: is dns working? |
| 18:20.09 | heh_v_water | waspius, right click the panel add applet/application |
| 18:20.33 | waspius | heh_v_water: i tried but it does not work |
| 18:20.45 | ryry37 | yes, it is |
| 18:20.52 | heh_v_water | waspius, thats how it has worked for years.. you must have the wrong kind of panle |
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| 18:23.05 | ryry37 | stew: as soon as I disable the ethernet, things start to work normally again |
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| 18:23.56 | Jingcheng | Hello guys |
| 18:24.02 | heh_v_water | ryry37, what address does the ethernet device have? you didn't give it like 127.0.0.1 did you? |
| 18:24.06 | Jingcheng | I have a problem, can someone help me please? |
| 18:24.30 | cahoot | ryry37: is your system listed in /etc/hosts? |
| 18:24.38 | Jingcheng | I cannot go on the internet with debian |
| 18:24.53 | Ronin | Jingcheng: why cant you |
| 18:24.56 | Jingcheng | I cannot go on the internet with debian, does anyone perhaps know the cause and willing to help me? |
| 18:25.07 | Jingcheng | Ronin: I dont know, it just says "URL" not found |
| 18:25.26 | Ronin | is it just one url or any Jingcheng ? |
| 18:25.34 | Jingcheng | ronin, any |
| 18:25.50 | eshaase | is there a command-line app that will lock my GNOME system? |
| 18:26.01 | Ronin | can you access them using http://ip |
| 18:26.11 | Jingcheng | ronin: for example, when i go www.google.com, it says www.google.com caould not be found, please check the name and try again |
| 18:26.13 | ryry37 | heh_v_water: my internet will work fine, it has an IP that was assigned by my router |
| 18:26.23 | Jingcheng | Ronin, i do not think my network card is perhaps activated for debian? |
| 18:26.33 | Jingcheng | ronin: because I cannot do anything internet-related |
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| 18:26.43 | ryry37 | cahoot: yes, my system is listed in /etc/hosts |
| 18:26.43 | Ronin | Jingcheng: are you on debian now? |
| 18:27.08 | Jingcheng | ronin: i have 2 computers, one on debian, and the one i am using is XP, connected to the internet lol |
| 18:27.18 | waspius | what repos can i add on my system so i can have access to more apps such as knemo? |
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| 18:27.58 | Ronin | Jingcheng: on the debian one open a browser and enter 64.233.161.104 and tell us what happens, heck you can try pinging it as well |
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| 18:28.39 | Jingcheng | The connection was refused when attempting to contact 64.223.161.104 |
| 18:29.40 | Jingcheng | AKA, no connection is coming through, i mean, my network cards are glowing and stuff, but i am not receiving or sending any packets |
| 18:29.50 | ryry37 | <heh_v_water> it's IP is 192.168.0.103, as assigned by my router |
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| 18:32.26 | Jingcheng | ronin: |
| 18:32.28 | Jingcheng | or anyone |
| 18:32.31 | Jingcheng | PLEASE HELP :D |
| 18:32.33 | Jingcheng | LOL |
| 18:32.41 | Jingcheng | I seriously want internet on my debian, |
| 18:33.12 | iswm | Is there any way to install kde-devel stuff without getting rid of xfce4? |
| 18:33.14 | ryry37 | as root, type ifcofig and see if your ethernet card is listed there |
| 18:33.18 | Ronin | patience Jingcheng |
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| 18:33.24 | Jingcheng | LOL |
| 18:33.25 | Jingcheng | OK |
| 18:33.27 | PupenoR | When is Debian Etch planned for release? |
| 18:33.57 | h3xis | nevar. |
| 18:34.04 | Jingcheng | ryry37: ifcofig command not found |
| 18:34.14 | Pryon | ifconfig |
| 18:34.23 | Ronin | PupenoR: when in its ready, |
| 18:34.29 | ryry37 | Jingcheng: my bad, ifconfig |
| 18:34.32 | Jingcheng | link encap ethernet.... |
| 18:34.36 | Jingcheng | I think it is here |
| 18:34.44 | PupenoR | Ronin: no definite date then? |
| 18:34.45 | Ronin | PupenoR: it was december last year but they ran into problem, i thought jan but we're well past that now... |
| 18:34.48 | stew | PupenoR: sometime after december 2006 |
| 18:34.55 | Ronin | and before 2008 hopefully |
| 18:34.58 | Jingcheng | stew: hey |
| 18:35.10 | PupenoR | I am asking because I have a server to reinstall and I want to know if I should wait or go ahead now. |
| 18:35.16 | PupenoR | I think I'll just go ahead. |
| 18:35.22 | michaele | Does anyone know anything about changing the FIFO trigger levels of UART Serial Cards? |
| 18:35.55 | Jingcheng | Not really working......... |
| 18:35.58 | signuts | So I had a kernel panic shortly after rebuilding my raid array (the rebuild completed) but the second I went to READ from the array, I got a kernel panic! after a reboot the system came online but all 4 IDE drives (on two seperate controlers) say device or resource busy when attempting a mdrun. |
| 18:36.00 | Jingcheng | the internet that is |
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| 18:36.21 | signuts | Any MD gurus here? |
| 18:36.22 | ryry37 | does anyone know why enabeling ethernet would make KDE applications very slow, and mostly unresponsive? |
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| 18:36.54 | Pryon | DNS lookups? |
| 18:37.20 | ryry37 | there may be a problem with the DNS, but even things like kwrite |
| 18:37.48 | ryry37 | I mean that most of KDE doesn't want to work the way it should, internet on the other hand works just fine |
| 18:37.51 | yang | are there any manuals on using "iperf" ? |
| 18:37.52 | Pryon | Jingcheng: anything interesting when you do the following? ifconfig eht0 | grep 'inet addr' |
| 18:38.10 | Pryon | eth0, not eht0 |
| 18:38.23 | Jingcheng | there is a line? |
| 18:38.28 | Jingcheng | how do u make that line? |
| 18:38.30 | Jingcheng | before GREP |
| 18:38.32 | Jingcheng | grep |
| 18:38.38 | Pryon | shift \ |
| 18:38.45 | Pryon | (on a US keyboard anyway_ |
| 18:38.45 | Jingcheng | Im on an european keyboard, i cant make it |
| 18:38.59 | PDani | what's the matter with python-central package in testing? i tried to upgrade my system today, but a lot of packages complained about this /usr/bin/pycentral script. is there a workaround for this kind of problems? |
| 18:39.00 | ryry37 | copy-paste ;) |
| 18:39.02 | Jingcheng | Do you need to make that sign? |
| 18:39.10 | Jingcheng | ryry37: from where? |
| 18:39.15 | Pryon | to pipe the output of ifconfig into grep, yes |
| 18:39.34 | Pryon | Jingcheng: from your IRC client |
| 18:39.41 | Jingcheng | pryon: not the same computer |
| 18:39.42 | ryry37 | Jingcheng: just copy the line from the chat and use it, it should work fine |
| 18:39.56 | abrotman | PDani: need mroe details |
| 18:40.04 | Pryon | But really, you should be able to make that symbol. I imagine there are many European shell programmers with the same keyboard |
| 18:40.14 | Jingcheng | ok, how? |
| 18:40.33 | Ronin | look for it on the keys |
| 18:40.36 | Jingcheng | *^ÄÅSDFGYJ;:;ZXCVAWER!"#¤%&/(=`½ZX½ZX½ZX |
| 18:40.40 | Jingcheng | those are all my symbols |
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| 18:40.56 | heh_v_water | Jingcheng, shift + \ |
| 18:41.11 | Jingcheng | _::_;;;:,.-ä'¨'¨¨¨¨^^''**`´??00)9(8/&%¤#"!>>><<§½½§§§§ |
| 18:41.17 | Jingcheng | those are all my symbols |
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| 18:41.28 | Jingcheng | As a matter of fact, i dont even have the / that is that way |
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| 18:41.41 | Ronin | then why are you typing a / |
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| 18:41.58 | archville | If i update to linux-image-2.6.18-4 will i have to compile again custom kernel modules i built for 2.6.18-3 ? (rt2500 wireless, nvidia and such) |
| 18:42.10 | heh_v_water | Jingcheng, then your screwed with using any pipes i guess.. new keyboard? |
| 18:42.14 | Jingcheng | i mean |
| 18:42.17 | Jingcheng | the other / |
| 18:42.21 | Jingcheng | not this / |
| 18:42.28 | Jingcheng | but the other one that is towards the right |
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| 18:42.40 | Ronin | so how would you map a drive then? \\computername etc. |
| 18:42.44 | Jingcheng | heh_V_water: I can type things like ¨'e'eëëëëäåö¨d¨däër |
| 18:42.47 | Jingcheng | I dont know how to, thats all |
| 18:43.13 | heh_v_water | Jincghcen, linux is about learning ;D |
| 18:43.15 | PDani | abrotman: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5531 |
| 18:43.23 | Jingcheng | yeah |
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| 18:43.30 | Jingcheng | and so far, i know nothing |
| 18:43.32 | Ronin | look on the keyboard, the symbol you want looks like 2 short lines one above the other |
| 18:43.33 | Jingcheng | im a big newb |
| 18:43.35 | heh_v_water | oops class time I'm late! lol |
| 18:43.45 | Jingcheng | ___ |
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| 18:43.48 | Jingcheng | _- |
| 18:43.49 | Jingcheng | -_ |
| 18:43.51 | cahoot | Jingcheng: svensk? |
| 18:43.54 | Jingcheng | Mm |
| 18:43.56 | Ronin | no we dont need to see them here Jingcheng |
| 18:43.58 | Jingcheng | e du också eller? |
| 18:44.07 | Jingcheng | ronin: what? |
| 18:44.09 | Pryon | Jingcheng: Are you running X on that debian box? |
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| 18:44.15 | Jingcheng | pryon: yes sir |
| 18:44.20 | Jingcheng | ronin: need to see what here? |
| 18:44.36 | x_link | Hi.. when I just installed Debian Etch I did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7. But today I did apt-get update/upgrade. So no wmy kernel is 2.6.18-4-k7 instead. I use the nvidia drivers, before I installed the drivers I downloaded linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 18:44.42 | cahoot | Jingcheng: open a term exec - setxkbmap -layout se |
| 18:44.52 | x_link | But now that I use 2.6.18-4-k7 I don't get any graphic. |
| 18:45.02 | Pryon | You might try the option Option"XkbModel" "pc105" in the InputDevice section of your config file |
| 18:45.10 | x_link | Should I do apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 18:45.13 | Pryon | Not sure if that will mess up other things, though |
| 18:45.13 | x_link | ? |
| 18:45.30 | Jingcheng | cahoot: i already have the SE layout, how do u make the line with a SE layout? |
| 18:45.50 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 18:46.01 | cahoot | Jingcheng: alt-gr + the key to the left of z |
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| 18:46.12 | PDani | abrotman: any idea? |
| 18:46.15 | Jingcheng | cahoot: what is grl? |
| 18:46.20 | Jingcheng | gr? |
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| 18:46.36 | Jingcheng | oh |
| 18:46.38 | Jingcheng | alt-gr |
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| 18:46.45 | cahoot | Jingcheng: you don't have a key named Alt Gr? |
| 18:46.45 | Jingcheng | kk fh§nkz |
| 18:46.47 | Jingcheng | thanks |
| 18:46.49 | Jingcheng | Yeah i do |
| 18:46.57 | Jingcheng | i thought u said Alt - Gr |
| 18:47.02 | Jingcheng | which is something different, in math |
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| 18:47.10 | caipiira | hi all anyone know if there exist something to make QT apps sue the gtk theme in gnome ? something like the gtk-qt engine for kde! |
| 18:47.24 | dkr | how do I turn off reverse mapping in sshd when "Deprecated option VerifyReverseMapping"? |
| 18:47.24 | caipiira | sue =use |
| 18:47.31 | cahoot | Jingcheng: so got your pipe symbol now? |
| 18:47.32 | archville | caipiira, yes, look at the gentoo wiki for that there is a how-to just about it. |
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| 18:47.50 | archville | It's a little gentoo oriented, but should do for any dist. |
| 18:48.00 | caipiira | ok :) |
| 18:48.04 | abrotman | PDani: check the bts |
| 18:48.07 | caipiira | you know what to search for ? |
| 18:48.15 | Jingcheng | yeah |
| 18:48.19 | Jingcheng | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.22 | archville | caipiira, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Same_look_for_QT,_GTK_2_and_GTK_1_apps |
| 18:48.37 | caipiira | ohh excellent :) thank you |
| 18:48.56 | archville | Np did it yesterday :P |
| 18:48.58 | Jingcheng | Guys, how do i get my internet workign? |
| 18:49.03 | caipiira | hehe |
| 18:49.10 | cernui | Hi! I installed apache2, libapache2-mod-php5, and PHP5 packages, and my php scripts aren't interpreted, they are downloaded. What can I do? |
| 18:49.31 | Pryon | Jingcheng: Have you figured out how to get the pipe character yet? |
| 18:50.15 | Jingcheng | pryon |
| 18:50.18 | Jingcheng | yes |
| 18:50.22 | Jingcheng | pryon: yes |
| 18:50.23 | dererk[work] | shit.......... I can't believe this: http://paste.debian.net/22810 |
| 18:50.27 | PDani | abrotman: what is the bts? |
| 18:50.30 | dererk[work] | I've just run upgrade!!!! |
| 18:50.34 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:50.35 | dpkg | it has been said that bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 18:50.42 | Pryon | Jingcheng: And the output of the command I gave you above? |
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| 18:50.49 | Jingcheng | pryon: nothing |
| 18:51.02 | Jingcheng | pryon: enter it again with all the correct spacing please? |
| 18:51.12 | dererk[work] | my god.... |
| 18:51.21 | Pryon | ifconfig eth0 | grep 'inet addr' |
| 18:51.24 | dererk[work] | did anyone got something like this before? |
| 18:51.50 | Jingcheng | space between the pipe line and eth0, and between pipline and grep, and grep and inet? |
| 18:52.21 | caipiira | archville: its limited to QTCurve theme ? |
| 18:52.23 | Pryon | the space around the pipe is not important. grep should have a space on both sides |
| 18:52.45 | caipiira | or will it use any theme that i load into gnome theme manager? |
| 18:52.48 | Jingcheng | pryon: i get no output |
| 18:52.58 | Pryon | Then your ethernet card is not configured |
| 18:53.03 | archville | caipiira, if you want them to look the same, i suposse... yes, the final look is all Qt-ish |
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| 18:53.13 | Jingcheng | pryon: how to configure it? |
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| 18:53.17 | caipiira | ahh ok thx |
| 18:53.18 | Pryon | ifup eth0 |
| 18:53.35 | Jingcheng | Cool |
| 18:53.37 | Jingcheng | now what? |
| 18:53.42 | Jingcheng | renewal in 302400 seconds? |
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| 18:53.48 | Jingcheng | ha |
| 18:53.53 | Jingcheng | internet works now |
| 18:53.56 | dondelelcaro | dererk[work]: just run aptitude in the curses mode; run update, then use it to purge swiftfox and walk through the dependencies. |
| 18:54.04 | Jingcheng | pryon: thtas awesome, where do you learn all this stuff? |
| 18:54.11 | dondelelcaro | dererk[work]: it kind of looks like you haven't actually completed the upgrade that you were planning on running, but it's not totally clear. |
| 18:54.15 | Pryon | reading howtos and trying stuff |
| 18:54.27 | Pryon | mostly experimentation |
| 18:54.32 | dererk[work] | dondelelcaro, It'll do that |
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| 18:54.42 | dererk[work] | But, I'm _really_ amazed |
| 18:54.56 | dererk[work] | dondelelcaro, s/It/I/ |
| 18:55.01 | dondelelcaro | well, you shouldn't be. Bugs happen. |
| 18:55.12 | waspius | ok in order for my devices to be shown on the desktop just when i insert them do i need to add a device to the desktop? |
| 18:55.18 | Pryon | Jingcheng: Whenever you see a command you don't understand, do 'man commandname' and read |
| 18:55.23 | dererk[work] | dondelelcaro, you think it's a bug from dpkg? |
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| 18:55.27 | deb_user | hello |
| 18:55.35 | deb_user | what's the release schedule for etch as stable? |
| 18:55.42 | Ronin | !wwer |
| 18:55.43 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
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| 18:55.46 | Jingcheng | pryon: thanks |
| 18:55.54 | x_link | Hi Ronin, could you help me please? |
| 18:55.55 | dondelelcaro | dererk[work]: no, it's an uncaught exception in either libapt or aptitude. I'm not sure how you're triggering it or if it's transitory/corruption based. |
| 18:55.59 | x_link | If you saw my question. |
| 18:56.01 | me_here | 2009 |
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| 18:56.24 | dererk[work] | dondelelcaro, Ahh, ok, got it |
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| 18:56.43 | dererk[work] | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 18:57.15 | x_link | WWhen I installed Debian I installed linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7, but today I updated/upgraded. So now I use 2.6.18-4-k7. |
| 18:57.37 | Ronin | x_link: kernel update? |
| 18:57.38 | x_link | But when I installed the linux-headers I installed for the old kernel version, 2.6.18-3-k7. |
| 18:57.42 | caipiira | anyone know if a software will be auto updated, if i manually install something from unstable to testing and then a official higher testing version of that app appears? |
| 18:58.02 | x_link | So now when I boot 2.6.18-4-k7 on GRUB, then I don't get any graphic. |
| 18:58.13 | x_link | Ronin: I just did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 18:58.21 | dondelelcaro | caipiira: it won't be automatically updated, but it will be updated when you try to update. |
| 18:58.34 | x_link | Then I rebooted, when I did that I saw that I now have 2.6.18-4-k7 as well at the boot option. I didn't have that before. |
| 18:59.00 | caipiira | but synaptic will display me a newer version of that app ? |
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| 18:59.04 | x_link | Ronin: When I noticed that I didn't get any graphic with the -4- version I did apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7. |
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| 18:59.13 | x_link | Still doesn't work. |
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| 18:59.23 | dav_ | elo |
| 18:59.33 | x_link | Now I'm using 2.6.18-3-k7 kernel. |
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| 18:59.40 | Joe7 | hi |
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| 19:00.11 | Ronin | x_link: so you got a kernel update adn it sounds like an X one as well, rebooted and got no gui so you messed with the kernel and not teh X config? |
| 19:00.13 | dav_ | i just have a question on DNS i have registered a domain name, is it possible to use ns1.mydomain.com --> ns1 |
| 19:00.20 | dav_ | ns1.provider.com |
| 19:00.25 | x_link | If I have linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7 and linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7. I installed -3- first, will I still have 2.6.18-3-k7 running? Or did it get removed when I installed the new one? |
| 19:00.32 | caipiira | what gfx card are you using x_link ? |
| 19:00.33 | cahoot | Ronin: I suspect the nvidia drivers |
| 19:00.33 | xand | dav_: what do you mean? |
| 19:00.40 | Ronin | cahoot: yep |
| 19:00.42 | dav_ | xand: difficult to explain :) |
| 19:00.43 | Pryon | x_link: is the version of nvidia drivers you used tied to the kernel version you're using? |
| 19:00.49 | dav_ | xand: accept a dcc |
| 19:00.56 | jelly-home | x_link: when a kernel package changes the name like that, you have to rebuild the binary modules. You can have both -3- and -4- kernels and headers at the same time |
| 19:00.57 | xand | no |
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| 19:01.02 | x_link | Sorry if I explain like a lame idiot.. but that's me. |
| 19:01.11 | x_link | ok |
| 19:01.12 | caipiira | x_link you need to install the equivalent graphic card kernel too ! |
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| 19:01.46 | jelly-home | x_link: you'll have to create the nvidia stuff again |
| 19:01.47 | x_link | linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 19:01.50 | x_link | I installed that. |
| 19:01.55 | caipiira | for example -4 kernel needs a -4 graphic card nvidia kernel |
| 19:01.58 | x_link | jelly-home: Create what? |
| 19:02.10 | x_link | The only difference is the linux-headers. |
| 19:02.11 | dav_ | xand: accept the dcc i m sure it will interest you i cld even create a zone for you if u want |
| 19:02.30 | xand | what is it? |
| 19:02.38 | jelly-home | x_link: redo whatever you did to get it working in the first place? |
| 19:02.40 | x_link | I had linux-headers-2.6.18-3-k7... but since I don't use that kernel anymore I did apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 19:02.42 | xand | anyway it wont work |
| 19:03.03 | jelly-home | ... dist-upgrade should have taken care of that though |
| 19:03.08 | x_link | jelly-home: Maybe I need to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:03.19 | dav_ | xand, linux-elite.org |
| 19:03.22 | dav_ | xand, :) |
| 19:03.32 | dav_ | xand, i cld hav been cool for u |
| 19:03.34 | jelly-home | x_link: maybe you need to install an appropriate nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 19:04.40 | jelly-home | x_link: do you have nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 installed? |
| 19:05.10 | x_link | I don't have that package no. |
| 19:05.40 | x_link | jelly-home: I didn't have that package for 2.6.18-3-k7 either |
| 19:05.43 | jelly-home | x_link: that package handles dependency tracking, if you install it it should take care that dist-upgrade does the right thing if the kernel package changes the name again |
| 19:05.56 | x_link | ok |
| 19:06.17 | x_link | jelly-home: So I should now do ---> apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 19:06.19 | x_link | Right? |
| 19:06.21 | jelly-home | x_link: y |
| 19:06.26 | jelly-home | es |
| 19:06.35 | x_link | jelly-home: Okey.. I will do it now |
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| 19:07.32 | x_link | jelly-home: Thanks for helping me this much. |
| 19:07.47 | x_link | jelly-home: I should reboot when the download is done right? |
| 19:07.54 | jelly-home | x_link: no problem, yes, reboot to -4- afterward, try if X works of course |
| 19:08.04 | x_link | Yes. |
| 19:08.06 | x_link | brb then |
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| 19:08.57 | waspius | anyone know how i can make all my usb devices that mount to be shown on the desktop and how i can get the knemo application? |
| 19:11.17 | damog | waspius: they are automagically shown on my desktop using KDE |
| 19:11.58 | waspius | damog: ok thanx..do u know about the knemo application? |
| 19:12.16 | waspius | #beryl |
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| 19:14.28 | waspius | when u insert a cd with photos and u are told to import them and u say yes where do they go? |
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| 19:16.13 | Pryon | waspius: wherever you've configured the import program to put them |
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| 19:21.04 | ponyofdeath | how do i set vim to be default editor in debian instead of pico? |
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| 19:21.40 | vulture | ponyofdeath: update-alternatives (probably 'editor') |
| 19:22.20 | damog | ponyofdeath: update-alternatives --set editor /usr/bin/vim |
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| 19:23.44 | KJW | I want to be able to delete user setting files (i.e. /home/user/* ) on shutdown and restore a default set on startup, how can I do this? |
| 19:23.49 | enouf | or just export EDITOR=vim .. but update-alternatives is the more correct way, if it does work like that |
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| 19:24.22 | mindframe | how do i change my shell name in the terminal? its "user@host" right now |
| 19:24.29 | kelsin | enouf: does the update method set the EDITOR variable? |
| 19:24.49 | waspius | how can i add my user to the sudoers file so that i can use the sudo command? |
| 19:25.07 | damog | KJW: Do an script and run it on the runlevels. |
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| 19:25.32 | damog | mindframe: you have to set up the PS1 variable on .bashrc |
| 19:25.48 | damog | waspius: run visudo |
| 19:26.14 | ponyofdeath | damog: thanks! |
| 19:26.18 | enouf | kelsin: I don't know .. haven't lookedinto it .. but it should I guess .. unless there's a ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile or something that overrides it |
| 19:26.20 | KJW | damog, I think I need to put the file into init.d but don't know how to set whether it's a startup or shutdown file |
| 19:26.36 | apk | What does the + in update-alternatives mean? |
| 19:27.08 | KJW | damog, after I have it in init.d I then think I have to do: update-rc.d mybootscript defaults 90 |
| 19:27.09 | enouf | KJW: read /etc/init.d/README and /Skeleton |
| 19:27.23 | nescius_ | hi |
| 19:27.29 | KJW | enouf, ok thanks! :) |
| 19:27.32 | enouf | KJW: /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
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| 19:27.41 | asg | apk: + is the default, * is currently selected |
| 19:27.42 | waspius | damog: command is not found |
| 19:28.01 | apk | asg: How does it decide what the default is? |
| 19:28.02 | damog | waspius: install the sudo package |
| 19:28.04 | abrotman | i don't have a 'damog' command either! |
| 19:28.28 | waspius | damog: it says i have it |
| 19:28.34 | damog | waspius: run it as root |
| 19:28.38 | asg | apk: sorry, I was mistaken. '+' is the one with the highest priority. See --config option in update-alternatives(8) |
| 19:28.52 | nescius | i have one lame question on you, i am trying to recompile kernel with some patches for QoS, but they fail to make anything even menuconfig, the kernel source package is from stable |
| 19:29.00 | damog | KJW: That's correct. |
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| 19:29.17 | damog | KJW: You can know if the script is going to be executed on startup or shutdown |
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| 19:30.10 | damog | KJW: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/28 |
| 19:30.25 | damog | check both start and stop cases |
| 19:30.42 | KJW | damog thanks very much :) |
| 19:30.51 | damog | abrotman: alias damog='perl -e "print 'damog'x1000"' |
| 19:31.00 | damog | KJW: np |
| 19:32.00 | enouf | KJW: you'l prolly want to rm -rf /home/user/* in runlevels 0 and 6 (halt, and reboot), and restore the duplicate/default settings in runlevel 1 or 2 or both (or make your own use of runlevels 3,4,5, so you don't affect others .. just to test ;-)) |
| 19:32.01 | damog | nescius: how do they fail? |
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| 19:34.36 | abrotman | damog: alias damog='cowsay damog!!!' |
| 19:34.43 | enouf | KJW: another decent one http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 19:34.45 | Jingcheng | I need help |
| 19:34.50 | Jingcheng | how do i check what port I should have? |
| 19:34.53 | damog | Jingcheng: I need money |
| 19:34.56 | Jingcheng | For when activating DMZ |
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| 19:35.04 | damog | abrotman: or toilet --gay "abrotman" |
| 19:35.13 | Jingcheng | I have to set up a virtual server, what should be my private port? |
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| 19:36.07 | cusco | port for what? |
| 19:36.15 | cusco | up to you |
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| 19:36.53 | nescius | damog, http://rafb.net/p/pcADL420.html |
| 19:37.18 | KJW | good thanks for the help enouf and damog, I think I know what to do now, those links are pretty helpful too, better than what I was finding on google :) |
| 19:37.31 | nescius | there is something missing for sure, but i dont know what |
| 19:37.59 | damog | KJW: np |
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| 19:38.25 | enouf | KJW: there's much more in the dpkg stash ;-) .. just /msg dpkg <keyword> in your irc client ;-) |
| 19:38.26 | nescius | i tried 2.6.20 on another distribution, but there was the same problem with debian |
| 19:38.26 | damog | nescius: You are probably needing to install build-essential |
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| 19:39.08 | nescius | damog, ah, right, thanks |
| 19:39.33 | eshaase | is there a command-line app that will lock my GNOME system? |
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| 19:39.58 | CharminTheMoose | eshasse, xlock? |
| 19:40.31 | enouf | Has anyone evr coughed up a lungey, and happened to not see where it went? .. |
| 19:40.50 | amphi | enouf: it's on your screen, duh |
| 19:40.52 | enouf | ew... and whoops .. |
| 19:41.09 | enouf | amphi: wrong channel dammit <blushes> |
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| 19:41.42 | wols | nescius: how about installing build-essential? |
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| 19:42.18 | wols | damog: stop typing my lines :P |
| 19:42.25 | nescius | wols, you are right about that but too late, but thanks anyway, |
| 19:42.37 | eshaase | CharminTheMoose: theres one for GNOME |
| 19:42.49 | wols | nescius: libncurses5 too btw :) |
| 19:43.37 | nescius | yes, hmm, that would be handy but i am already installing qt libs because i am too lazy for cursed |
| 19:43.47 | abrotman | damog: that's not nice |
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| 19:49.09 | wols | I'm recompiling libc6 (2.3.6) and the dplg-buildpackage tries to compile for x86-64? is that normal? |
| 19:49.19 | wols | checking host system type... x86_64-pc-linux-gnu |
| 19:49.24 | wols | but this is a xp1700 |
| 19:49.49 | nescius | mind if i ask about kernel drivers in stable? i am still installing those qt3 libs so i cant look myself |
| 19:50.07 | cahoot | wols: it's trying to boost the systems confidence |
| 19:50.12 | nescius | i want to know if there are v4l drivers for logitech webcam |
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| 19:50.41 | nescius | or forget the webcam and tell me if they were compiled or not |
| 19:50.50 | nescius | ..in default kernel |
| 19:51.59 | wols | cahoot: maybe but it makes gcc so confused in the process it stops working |
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| 19:52.08 | hole_ | hi! |
| 19:52.11 | wols | which makes wols a very angry guy with the powercable |
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| 19:54.10 | cahoot | wols: my k7 system (etch) also has a glibc-86-64 |
| 19:54.23 | wols | osm |
| 19:54.29 | wols | isn't that fscked up? |
| 19:54.46 | wols | what for? I saw it needed some x64 lib as build-dep too |
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| 19:55.06 | hole_ | is there any lightweight distro that supports pcmcia wifi cards without any extra installations exept maybe ndiswrapper |
| 19:55.07 | cahoot | wols: beyond my knowledge - runs like it shall though |
| 19:55.08 | wols | I get a strange error: configure: error: cannot compute suffix of object files: cannot compile |
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| 19:55.24 | wols | hole_: #linux |
| 19:55.29 | hole_ | ok th |
| 19:55.30 | hole_ | x |
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| 19:56.42 | keith80403 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.34 | wo_Ot | hey, i have a question, why is debian dont like my ati card? |
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| 19:58.41 | wols | what card type? |
| 19:58.53 | dkr | keith80403: make sure /etc/localtime is symlinked to the correct tz file, and not a copy of the old one |
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| 20:00.07 | keith80403 | dkr, /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Mountain, ----- 2005-05-10 13:54 /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Mountain |
| 20:00.46 | keith80403 | dkr, Where would I check to see whether the DST update has been installed? Package name? .deb file ? |
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| 20:01.39 | dkr | dpkg -l tzdata |
| 20:01.40 | dpkg | ii tzdata 1.8-15 dkr's private porn collection |
| 20:01.47 | dkr | keith80403: oh, is this etch or sarge? |
| 20:01.51 | CrippsFX | I'm running debian etch, and I tried to enable composite by adding : Section "Extensions" <newline>Option "Composite" "true"<newline>EndSection<eof> to my xorg.conf, but when I try startx afterwards, it says that "Extensions is not a valid section" yet all the docs I've seen say to add an "Extensions" section ... can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:03.57 | dkr | keith80403: in sarge the tzdata is part of libc6 package, in etch it is a separate package called tzdata |
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| 20:05.42 | rahul | that's an interesting way to hide porn |
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| 20:06.16 | waspius | can i make only my external hard drive show up on my desktop and not my partition? |
| 20:06.41 | rahul | waspius: uh, that is a meaningless question |
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| 20:06.55 | waspius | ok sorry :( |
| 20:06.56 | rahul | "on your desktop" is gibberish. there is no desktop in linux. |
| 20:07.02 | rahul | and what is "your partition"? |
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| 20:07.20 | rahul | you mean in the main linux filesystem? all filesystems are mounted there. that's how you get access to them. |
| 20:07.50 | rahul | there are no files to linux other than the ones in the filesystem tree |
| 20:07.54 | waspius | rahul: desktop=where the backround is...there where u see all your icons etc |
| 20:08.02 | stew | waspius: which descktop environment do you use? gnome? kde? |
| 20:08.04 | rahul | I see no icons |
| 20:08.07 | waspius | kde |
| 20:08.14 | stew | waspius: ask in #debian-kde |
| 20:08.18 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 20:08.33 | stew | (if you don't get an answer here) |
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| 20:10.15 | s2211 | hi |
| 20:11.07 | s2211 | how extract a large tar file via ftp without getting the file? ncftp ? |
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| 20:11.25 | Daveman | voodoo? |
| 20:11.26 | keith80403 | dkr, Thanks, I'll check for an updated libc6 package. |
| 20:11.43 | Kronoz | hello, I'm having trouble installing debian from etch weekly build (from 21st), I set the network settings with dynamic ip to router with 4.2.2.2 as my dns server but it won't scan the mirror or connect to the repo |
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| 20:14.30 | abrotman | s2211: wget | tar ? |
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| 20:15.17 | s2211 | "tar -cf - /db | ncftpput -u user -p pass host /ftp/dbback.tar" this the way I backup. how to exctract without fitdt getting the large file? |
| 20:15.32 | petemc | you cant do it without downloading it |
| 20:15.52 | s2211 | petemc: no, file is way big |
| 20:16.14 | petemc | s2211: then you'll need to ssh to the machine |
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| 20:16.35 | s2211 | petemc: what ssh ? |
| 20:16.53 | petemc | look it up |
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| 20:18.32 | dkr | untar it on the ftp server... |
| 20:19.09 | dkr | I used rdiff-backup for backups, it is quite nifty (only backs up increemntal changes, so if one line changes, you only back that up, not the whole file again |
| 20:19.13 | dkr | use |
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| 20:20.17 | damog | abrotman: heh |
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| 20:22.07 | pif | hi, any bluetooth expert here ? (bluez) |
| 20:22.38 | damog | pif: what's your problem? |
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| 20:23.02 | pif | I'm trying to make my device visible |
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| 20:23.19 | pif | but I can't find the setting |
| 20:23.23 | damog | what setting? |
| 20:23.29 | damog | what have you tried so far? |
| 20:23.29 | keith80403 | dkr, RE: The libc6 package, do you know if 2.3.2.ds1-22 is the version with the DST updates? |
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| 20:23.50 | pif | iscan enable; pscan enable; |
| 20:23.55 | pif | to no effect |
| 20:24.11 | dkr | keith80403: my sarge system has 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 which does have the tzdata updates for DST |
| 20:24.43 | pif | gnome's bt manager has that preference |
| 20:24.47 | petemc | pif: have you checked /usr/share/doc/bluez/ ? |
| 20:24.49 | dkr | in fact the changes for US DSt chanegs were added quite a long time ago |
| 20:25.02 | pif | but I'd like to know what setting is used |
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| 20:25.50 | keith80403 | dkr, OK, I won't worry about it then - thanks for your help. |
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| 20:26.27 | dkr | keith80403: I'd worry if zdump still doesn't show the right dates |
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| 20:27.48 | ebbs | Hi. My gnome-power-manager Icon just disappeared, so I restarted my system... The manager itself runs... ("ps -A"), but the Icon is missing. What can I do to make it to appear again? (In ##gnome nobody answers) |
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| 20:27.55 | damog | pif: |
| 20:27.59 | damog | damog@cochina:~$ hcitool dev |
| 20:27.59 | damog | Devices: |
| 20:28.00 | damog | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.09 | damog | just after installing the bluetooth package |
| 20:28.21 | dkr | keith80403: in factmt eh changelog shows that the sarge5 version is the one that updated the tzdata, so you need to upgrade it |
| 20:29.05 | pif | damog : and that make it visible to other bt devices? |
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| 20:29.23 | lepine | Hey guys, has debian sarge been updated for the 2007 DST laws? |
| 20:29.25 | dkr | keith80403: maybe you have an old mirror in your sources.list that hasn't been updated |
| 20:29.33 | dkr | lepine: heh, thats what i was just saying |
| 20:29.34 | keith80403 | Hm... |
| 20:29.43 | damog | pif: I'd have to try |
| 20:29.46 | keith80403 | dkr, What's a good mirror? |
| 20:29.49 | dkr | lepine: make sure you have libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sarge5 |
| 20:29.53 | lepine | hehe, did you get an anwser? i just joined |
| 20:30.05 | dkr | keith80403: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 20:30.33 | keith80403 | dkr, I'll check that one in a few minutes. |
| 20:31.34 | damog | pif: what does hciconfig -a returns to you? |
| 20:31.48 | dkr | apparently australia made some changes, too: "Update debian/patches/90_glibc232-timezones.dpatch with tzdata 2006p-1. This includes DST rules for West Australia and support for the "Energy Policy Act 2005". |
| 20:32.26 | lepine | what's the command to list packages installed again? |
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| 20:32.35 | dkr | dpkg -l |
| 20:32.36 | lepine | dselect with some options IIRC |
| 20:32.52 | lepine | ah! simple enough |
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| 20:32.56 | dkr | or dpkg -l |grep '^i' heh, :) |
| 20:32.58 | biz | hi, is there a way to access a scanner which is connected to a remote debian system? |
| 20:33.18 | dkr | lepine: you just need dpkg -l libc6 to check libc6 version, though |
| 20:33.26 | buu | dpkg: java? |
| 20:33.27 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 20:33.47 | damog | biz: probably over ssh you mean? |
| 20:33.50 | lepine | i've got the same as you listed, so i guess i'm fine then |
| 20:34.05 | alec | I have several users I want to be able to log as they run commands as a specific user. sudo and sudosh have almost everything I want except that I'd like all commands to be run under sudo without having to type "sudo command". Is there any way I can have bash prefix every command with sudo? I thought of making everything an alias with sudo prepended, but this doesn't cover invocations by absolute path. |
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| 20:34.15 | lisapc | hi |
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| 20:34.37 | dkr | lepine: zdump -v /etc/localtime | grep 2007 should show March 11 |
| 20:34.51 | lisapc | when installing, my system freezes at; the message: "Probing/Loading AGP Modules. whats AGP anyway? |
| 20:35.05 | damog | alec: what about some aliases on their home directories? |
| 20:35.05 | lepine | march 11th and nov 4th |
| 20:35.07 | lepine | hurray! |
| 20:35.17 | lepine | thanks |
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| 20:36.06 | dkr | lisapc: advanced graphics port |
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| 20:36.11 | alec | damog: I tried aliases, but that doesn't catch commands like "/bin/rm", only "rm" |
| 20:36.12 | wols | lisapc: the thing where your videocard gets in |
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| 20:36.24 | lisapc | dkr why would it freeze there while probing that? |
| 20:36.45 | lisapc | dkr it said it picked up my Nvidia 7300 |
| 20:37.01 | lisapc | so why feeeze at: "Probing/Loading AGP Modules" ? |
| 20:37.05 | lisapc | any ideas pls? |
| 20:37.22 | lisapc | wols videocard gets in? |
| 20:37.22 | dkr | lisapc: I vaguely recall somethign about problems resolved by disabled agpgart |
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| 20:37.42 | lisapc | dkr why does a system need AGP? |
| 20:37.46 | wols | lisapc: cause you load the wrong agp module for your chipset perhaps? |
| 20:37.56 | wols | AGP: the slot inside your PC where the videocard is seated |
| 20:38.03 | lisapc | wols its doing it itself |
| 20:38.09 | lisapc | its a notebook |
| 20:38.11 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGP |
| 20:38.32 | lisapc | i should disable it? |
| 20:38.39 | Ahil | lisapc, skip loading agp modules |
| 20:38.39 | lisapc | what happens if I disable the AGP? |
| 20:39.04 | lisapc | Ahil im sorry, confused. whats agp modules again? |
| 20:39.08 | lepine | lisapc, it being a notebook doesn't necessarily make it NOT use AGP |
| 20:39.29 | waspius | i have downloaded a file that i am trying to configure but when i try to ./configure it make install etc i get an error "checking for x..configure: error: cant find x includes. please check your installation and add the correct paths |
| 20:39.29 | lisapc | lepine can my video card still function if agp is disabled? |
| 20:39.40 | lepine | that's what i'm wondering ... |
| 20:39.59 | wols | waspius: xlib-dev, or just the X dev package |
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| 20:40.06 | lepine | i would be inclined to say yes, but this could be quite risky .. imagine booting and seeing nothing ... |
| 20:40.11 | wols | lisapc: yes but quite slower |
| 20:40.11 | peterS | lisapc: in modern kernels they are "agpgart" plus a backend module such as "intel-agp" or "via-agp" |
| 20:40.30 | wols | you can't really disable agp since it's hardware but you can not use some of its functions it has over PCI |
| 20:40.37 | lisapc | peterS its a Centrino system. does that mean anything? |
| 20:40.43 | wols | like GART (which is what this driver message is about) |
| 20:40.49 | peterS | lisapc: probably "intel-agp" then, but I don't know for sure |
| 20:40.51 | waspius | wols: i dont know |
| 20:41.19 | wols | peterS: if it is centrino, then intel yes. centrino is a brand where you must have an intel chipset |
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| 20:41.40 | peterS | wols: right, that's what I figured |
| 20:41.50 | lisapc | can I try to type: ubuntu noagp ? |
| 20:41.57 | mhall | How do I get a tail -f style of output of the same stuff which is output by the dmesg command? I am watching for IO errors from a flaky Fibre Channel SAN... |
| 20:42.01 | wols | lisapc: no, type /join ubuntu |
| 20:42.02 | queuetue | Hi. How do I switch the architecture of a machine, from 386 to amd64? |
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| 20:42.11 | mhall | queuetue: Reinstall. |
| 20:42.13 | wols | queuetue: reinstal |
| 20:42.27 | lisapc | ok ty |
| 20:42.28 | lisapc | bye |
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| 20:42.36 | wols | mhall: tail -f /var/log/kern.log.1.gz |
| 20:42.36 | mhall | queuetue: It's literally the same from Linux's view as switching from X86 to MIPS or X86 to SPARC or ... |
| 20:42.38 | wols | mhall: tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 20:42.45 | waspius | wols: any idea? |
| 20:42.48 | mhall | wols: ah it's put into kern log, perfect, thanks! |
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| 20:42.53 | wols | !any idea |
| 20:42.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little vegemite, and a handful of starving bunnies. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 20:43.05 | wols | waspius: I told you waht to do: install the X dev package |
| 20:43.12 | peterS | dpkg, you don't need no bag full of condoms, you perv. |
| 20:43.22 | wols | xlib-dev or similar. it has x in its package name and ends with -dev |
| 20:43.33 | queuetue | mhall: Well, it's actually an amd64 domu running under an amd64 xen kernel, using modules physically copied over. I just want to install an additional set of amd64 modules, and apt-get won't let me. This is undoable? |
| 20:43.34 | wols | peterS: bots have GREAT stamina |
| 20:43.37 | waspius | ok i will try and find it thanx |
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| 20:44.17 | queuetue | " package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)" ... |
| 20:44.34 | peterS | waspius: there used to be a package 'xlibs-dev', now it has been split into several dev packages. which ones you need depends on your application. start with libx11-dev and libxt-dev. |
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| 20:45.34 | waspius | ok thanx |
| 20:45.37 | queuetue | dpkg -i --force-architecture worked. :) |
| 20:45.50 | queuetue | Uhm.. thanks. :) |
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| 20:47.33 | Creeture | Good day all. In trying to troubleshoot why my IDE chipset won't let me enable DMA, I found that the generic IDE driver is claiming ownership before piix. Is there a kernel boot param to override this? piix is built as a module and I'd rather not compile a custom kernel. |
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| 20:50.09 | waspius | peterS: i get this error checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl |
| 20:50.09 | waspius | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! |
| 20:50.49 | peterS | waspius: so you want libqt3-mt-dev |
| 20:51.06 | waspius | peterS: ok thanx allot |
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| 20:52.08 | peterS | waspius: the usual way to find that package would be this: apt-cache search libqt3 dev |
| 20:52.34 | peterS | waspius: ...relying on knowledge of the Debian package name conventions, where libraries almost always start with lib and have a version number in their package name |
| 20:52.41 | waspius | peterS: i did apt-get install libqt3.dev and downloaded it |
| 20:53.02 | waspius | peterS: i dont have such knowledge :( |
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| 20:53.32 | waspius | peterS: this is another error i get checking for KDE... configure: error: |
| 20:53.32 | waspius | in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. |
| 20:53.33 | waspius | So, check this please and use another prefix! |
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| 20:54.03 | earthian | hello, i have a lcd monitor that supports 60 70 and 75 khz refresh, however now i see only a odd value of 76 khz how do i get the normal values? |
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| 20:54.48 | wols | LCDs always ahve 60Hz times resolution lines, no matter what |
| 20:54.52 | wols | no way to change it |
| 20:55.02 | peterS | waspius: so, uh, install the KDE development packages. also at some point we have to ask: why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 20:55.09 | earthian | wols, ok how do i change to 60hz then |
| 20:55.10 | earthian | ? |
| 20:55.24 | peterS | waspius: here's a freebie, I happen to know the main KDE development package is kdelibs4-dev |
| 20:55.24 | wols | I just told you: you cannot |
| 20:55.31 | wols | unless you buy a CRT, then you can |
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| 20:55.40 | stew | wols: why can't he change to 60hz? |
| 20:55.42 | earthian | seems that dpms or so does not get correct info for my monitor since i pluged it throu vga cable |
| 20:55.53 | earthian | wols, i have 76hz |
| 20:55.56 | ezguy | hi, how long should one run a cpuburn-in test? |
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| 20:56.01 | earthian | which is not supported etc etc |
| 20:56.03 | dav_ | elo |
| 20:56.08 | dav_ | there are some things i don't understand |
| 20:56.12 | dav_ | i tried to install acid |
| 20:56.13 | wols | earthian: no you don't |
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| 20:56.21 | peterS | most LCDs these days can go from 50 Hz to 75 Hz or so. so you're probably not too far out of range, anyway. |
| 20:56.27 | dav_ | but do i need snort-pgsql too ? |
| 20:56.32 | earthian | 76 |
| 20:56.34 | earthian | :/ |
| 20:56.37 | waspius | peterS: thanx you!! |
| 20:56.39 | wols | LCDs have a single refresh rate, usually 60Hz and no matter what you set it is not changed sinec the LCD cannot change it |
| 20:57.00 | wols | even when the lcd shows something different |
| 20:57.01 | h3sp4wn | earthian: using nvidia-glx ? |
| 20:57.05 | earthian | now every time my resoltion changes the pocture slides to one side or another or i get warnings that not supported resolution |
| 20:57.14 | earthian | h3sp4wn, yes |
| 20:57.15 | wols | and for changing anding: |
| 20:57.20 | wols | !tell earthian about drxx |
| 20:57.22 | peterS | wols: then the ADC is faking it, because modern LCDs do in fact let you set refresh rates in that whole range |
| 20:57.43 | h3sp4wn | earthian: the one in etch ? |
| 20:57.47 | earthian | yes |
| 20:57.53 | h3sp4wn | earthian: Modes "1280x1024_60" "1024x768_60" "800x600_60" "640x480_60" |
| 20:57.53 | wols | peterS: you can get fairy values across the sub d connector I guess, but you won't see anything different |
| 20:58.10 | h3sp4wn | earthian: change the lines in xorg.conf to be of that format |
| 20:58.10 | earthian | ok thanks |
| 20:58.14 | wols | h3sp4wn: don't tell people to edit their xorg.conf |
| 20:58.24 | wols | !xorgmd5 |
| 20:58.24 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf | diff -sq /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:58.37 | wols | earthian: use drxx as dpkg told you |
| 20:58.44 | h3sp4wn | wols: no |
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| 20:59.08 | earthian | wols, i will do as h3sp4wn says. sorry. ;) |
| 20:59.09 | h3sp4wn | wols: dpkg-reconfigure is feature incomplete |
| 20:59.14 | stew | !no xorgmd5 is the md5sum no longer matters for "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" your xorg.conf will be overwritten regardless (and the old version saved with a different name) |
| 20:59.14 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:59.17 | stew | wols: ^ |
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| 20:59.25 | wols | stew: k |
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| 20:59.38 | earthian | <3 stew |
| 20:59.40 | wols | so etch sorg still has a broken config script? |
| 20:59.52 | stew | wols: what makes you say that? |
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| 21:00.26 | wols | well it didn't let me change refresh rates (but that was last autumn 7.0 back then) and got the monitor rates wrong |
| 21:00.35 | wols | which caused X not to work |
| 21:00.41 | earthian | wols my monitor detection etc worked fine while it was connected to dvi, but now with vga it does not know my monitor anymore.... good that i know it so i will chagne thingies in xorg.conf and that will fix it. |
| 21:01.14 | wols | mine is a CRT and therefore sub-d |
| 21:01.15 | stew | wols: what makes you say that it still has a broken config script? |
| 21:01.21 | earthian | seems that dpms support might be incomplete or so |
| 21:01.35 | wols | this: < h3sp4wn> wols: dpkg-reconfigure is feature incomplete |
| 21:01.53 | wols | cause xfree86 one usually worked fine. nothing fancy autodetect and shit but it worked |
| 21:01.53 | stew | earthian: dpms? you mean powersaving? |
| 21:02.13 | earthian | i mean: Identifier"Generic Monitor" |
| 21:02.13 | earthian | Option"DPMS" |
| 21:02.22 | stanzke | hi, i have a problem with my radeon 9500 card: when i use the "radeon" driver, there are small colored stripes in glxgears (as well as in all opengl applications), but direct rendering works fine. can somebody help me plz? |
| 21:02.37 | stew | earthian: DPMS allows xorg to be able to blank the screen and turn the monitor off in order to save power |
| 21:02.44 | earthian | mh |
| 21:02.47 | stew | earthian: it has nothing to do with resolution or refresh rates |
| 21:02.53 | stew | earthian: you are probably thinking of EDID |
| 21:02.57 | wols | stew: he means DDC |
| 21:03.00 | earthian | i told me somehow that it is some kind of detection of monitor physics? |
| 21:03.01 | wols | or EDID yes |
| 21:03.04 | earthian | maybe |
| 21:03.26 | wols | oops. DDC |
| 21:03.47 | ManuP | someone here who knows about ati radeon? --> help stanzke |
| 21:04.16 | stew | stanzke: do you need 3d accelleration? |
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| 21:04.34 | stanzke | yes. i want to use beryl |
| 21:05.04 | stew | stanzke: that driver does not support 3d accelleration for your card. you'd have to use the non-free fglrx driver from ati to get 3d accelleration |
| 21:05.27 | stanzke | :( |
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| 21:06.13 | stew | R300 Radeon 9700PRO/9700/9500PRO/9500/9600TX, FireGL X1/Z1 (2D only) |
| 21:06.18 | stew | (from the radeon manpage) |
| 21:06.21 | stanzke | but i heard from people who got it working on a x800 |
| 21:06.33 | h3sp4wn | That is out of date the manpage |
| 21:06.33 | stanzke | hmm...ok |
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| 21:07.18 | h3sp4wn | http://megahurts.dk/rune/r300_status.html (but its still experimental) |
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| 21:07.30 | stanzke | 3d acceleration works fine (thats not the problem) but i have these stripes... |
| 21:07.31 | nescius | argh, i've just recompiled kernel with a wrong options make-kpkg buildpackage and it wont let me to delete it saing its readonly file system |
| 21:07.56 | x_link | Does it matter if I use 2.6.18-3-k7 or 2.6.18-4-k7 ? |
| 21:08.20 | ManuP | x_link, why should it? |
| 21:08.42 | ManuP | x_link, 2.6.18-4 is newer. |
| 21:08.44 | peterS | x_link: they both work, use whichever one is available (2.6.18-4-k7 is the only one left on the debian mirrors) |
| 21:08.50 | x_link | ManuP: Ok...cause I got the -4- option in GRUB now... |
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| 21:09.12 | x_link | peterS: When I just had re-installed debian I did apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7 |
| 21:09.20 | x_link | But today I did apt-get update/upgrade and got -4-. |
| 21:09.31 | x_link | But I don't gete any graphic on the -4- kernel. |
| 21:09.32 | ManuP | stanzke, did you read msg from h3sp4wn above? |
| 21:09.41 | x_link | peterS: OK. |
| 21:09.45 | stanzke | yep |
| 21:10.07 | stanzke | the page says it works, but experimental |
| 21:10.12 | x_link | peterS: Maybe I should install the nvidia drivers again when I'm on the new kernel? |
| 21:10.12 | stanzke | as i knew |
| 21:10.22 | nescius | can you help me? is there a way how to remove those without formating root partition? |
| 21:10.49 | peterS | x_link: if you've installed a non-free video driver from nvidia, then yes, you have to upgrade that when you change kernels. it is part of the pain that tells you you are using non-free software. |
| 21:11.13 | wols | nescius: you can remunt the root partiiton rw |
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| 21:11.21 | x_link | peterS: I use non-free yes, but I didn't get the nvidia driver from the repo. I downloaded it from www.nvidia.com |
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| 21:11.27 | wols | but why is it read only? |
| 21:11.54 | nescius | wols, strange, it seems that its really mounted only for reading, but hows that possible? |
| 21:12.07 | x_link | peterS: But I will switch to the other kernel, and I will install the nvidia driver again there, maybe I will get graphic then. brb |
| 21:12.09 | wols | errors on it prehaps? |
| 21:12.33 | wols | what I wonder is: how did you get the kernel there when it is ro? |
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| 21:13.46 | nescius | wols, well, make-kpkg buildpackage, and after that the entire root is ro only |
| 21:14.24 | wols | I don't thnk so. make-kpkg never calls moount |
| 21:14.39 | wols | he, you're supposed to run it under fakeroot even |
| 21:14.58 | nescius | mount sez (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 21:15.26 | peterS | nescius: what does 'cat /proc/mounts' say? 'mount' will not necessarily have up-to-date info in that case. |
| 21:15.27 | wols | run fsck then |
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| 21:16.47 | s2211 | can wget http://host/file.tar |
| 21:17.00 | nescius | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 21:17.11 | nescius | /dev2/root2 / ext3 ro 0 0 |
| 21:17.23 | s2211 | can wget http://host/file.tar | tar xvf - be used in tar archives? |
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| 21:18.00 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.31 | nescius | i've just unmounted / |
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| 21:19.11 | x_link | peterS: Now I got graphic when I re-installed the nvidia driver with the new kernel. |
| 21:19.13 | nescius | screw it, i dont have time for this crap |
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| 21:19.48 | dkr | screwing takes time, though |
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| 21:20.01 | x_link | peterS: But everytime I reboot GRUB comes up, the boot list option is to long, can I not remove 2.6.18-3-k7, 2.6.18-3-k7 ( singel user-mode) can I not remove those from that list? |
| 21:20.27 | peterS | x_link: sure, 'aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.18-3-k7' if you want. do this after you have verified that 2.6.18-4-k7 works fine for you. |
| 21:20.56 | x_link | ok |
| 21:21.01 | wols | if the list is too long there must be more than those 2 kernel image in that list? |
| 21:21.03 | x_link | peterS: How do I know if it works fine? |
| 21:21.11 | x_link | I mean.. which erros should I notice if it doesn't work good? |
| 21:21.16 | peterS | x_link: what kind of a question is that? it works if it works. |
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| 21:21.27 | x_link | peterS: Ok... |
| 21:21.30 | peterS | if you notice problems that you think you can attribute to your kernel, then it doesn't work fine. |
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| 21:21.51 | wols | the important parts are "it boot" and "netowrk and disk access" |
| 21:22.01 | wols | if those work you should be able to get another kernel again |
| 21:22.01 | x_link | peterS: Sorry, I just wanted to be 100% sure |
| 21:22.06 | efaistos | 8hi |
| 21:22.13 | peterS | wols: quite so |
| 21:22.17 | efaistos | what's the java package for iceweasel ? |
| 21:23.02 | kelsin | efaistos: sun-java5-plugin worked for me |
| 21:24.54 | efaistos | kelsin: thanks i will try this one |
| 21:25.57 | kelsin | efaistos: anything that works in firefox and mozilla will work in iceweasel (at least everything I'm run into) |
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| 21:26.51 | dkr | kelsin: except displaying the firefox logo! :p |
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| 21:33.30 | ManuP | how save is it to store passwords in evolution? how are they saved and where? |
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| 21:34.35 | x_link | peterS: I got everything working now =) Even Beryl |
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| 21:37.10 | Mark_Iron | Hi ;-) ... do you have any experience with preseeding of debian boot CDs ? - particulary for systems with more than one eterhnet interface? |
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| 21:38.38 | Mark_Iron | !preseeding d-i |
| 21:38.47 | Mark_Iron | !preseeding |
| 21:39.12 | dav_ | noone here evr installed acid |
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| 21:41.02 | wols | Mark_Iron: shouldn't make any trouble no matter how many interfaces |
| 21:41.09 | wols | any special thing you have in mind? |
| 21:42.06 | Mark_Iron | wols: I insertet eth0 and eth1 in the preseeding file .. but only the last interface has been configured aufter the installation ;-/ |
| 21:42.16 | Mark_Iron | inserted .. |
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| 21:42.34 | Mark_Iron | wols: of course with different data ;-) |
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| 21:44.27 | Mark_Iron | !paste |
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| 21:46.11 | wols | so your problem is really with an unattended install? |
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| 21:48.45 | Mark_Iron | wols: probably I make an obvious mistake ... http://channels.debian.net/paste/5533 |
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| 21:54.24 | embrik | How do I install VMware on debian sarge? |
| 21:54.42 | Ronin | embrik: look on vmware url? |
| 21:54.54 | Ronin | or ask on thier newsserver |
| 21:55.04 | gpled | have a console only debian install. i want to install irssi with apt-get. trouble is i do not know what apt-get is calling irssi |
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| 21:55.24 | gpled | with yum, i would yum list|grep irssi |
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| 21:55.27 | gpled | to get the name |
| 21:55.34 | Ronin | gpled: apt-get install irssi-text iirc |
| 21:55.38 | Ronin | apt-cache search |
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| 21:55.55 | embrik | Ronin: try their newsserver, googled some, but couldn't find out about sarge, but kubuntu though. Do you think I can use the kubuntu howto? |
| 21:56.23 | Ronin | embrik: dont know ive never seen kubuntu and know nothing about vmware, why do you need it anyhow? |
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| 21:56.59 | GMouse | When I try to mount an NFS share exported from my etch fileserver, mount tells me that it "can't read superblock" |
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| 21:57.00 | rpc | hm does anyone have an experience with ejabberd install on etch? |
| 21:57.04 | rpc | i'm getting this odd RPC error msg :( |
| 21:57.27 | GMouse | Everything online points to having portmap running, but ps aux confirms that it IS running. |
| 21:58.36 | kelsin | Hal: try google, http://linuxreviews.org/quicktips/wget/ |
| 21:58.43 | embrik | Ronin: I'm a teacher, adminstrating the computers at school. When we converted to Linux, some of the teachers where unhappy about loosing some good windowsprogrammes they had been using.... |
| 21:58.44 | gpled | Ronin: thanks |
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| 22:00.52 | JordiGH | embrik: Tell them to suck it up, because you're in charge, and give them OO.o instead. |
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| 22:00.52 | JordiGH | embrik: Or is fear of mutiny more of an issue? |
| 22:00.53 | Ronin | embrik: good windows programs? *snicker* |
| 22:00.53 | Ronin | embrik: what specifically? im sure theres a linux equiv |
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| 22:00.53 | embrik | Ronin: We use oo.o of course, but this is edutanement programmes dealing with different topics in language learning, mathematics for special pupils and so on.. |
| 22:01.17 | Ronin | embrik: heck install linux and the linux equiv, kde and the xp theme and they'll never know ;) |
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| 22:01.41 | JordiGH | Ronin: There's an XP theme? That's kinda scary. |
| 22:01.43 | embrik | Ronin: :-) |
| 22:01.54 | wols | embrik: the kubuntu howto is probably fine, but how about using WINE? |
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| 22:02.40 | embrik | wols: tried wine, but can't get it working with more than 5 % of our programmes.. |
| 22:02.41 | Ronin | JordiGH: yep, in fact id use it at work on users too if i thgouth i could get away with it |
| 22:03.06 | JordiGH | Ronin: That's fascinating. |
| 22:03.28 | Ronin | beats having to explain what the email client is :) |
| 22:04.02 | JordiGH | There's a key labelled apt, but it doesn't help me change channels in irssi. |
| 22:04.07 | JordiGH | Er, alt. |
| 22:04.22 | JordiGH | ³´µµ¶¶ |
| 22:04.31 | kelsin | JordiGH: you can probably hit Esc then a window number |
| 22:04.49 | betterworld | JordiGH: try meta (it has a star on it on sun keyboards) |
| 22:06.08 | JordiGH | Meta didn't work, the esc thing. Thanks! |
| 22:06.23 | s2211 | in tar how to ignore checksum |
| 22:06.26 | JordiGH | The esc thing did. |
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| 22:06.38 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: using xterm ? |
| 22:06.49 | s2211 | in tar how to ignore checksum? in tar |
| 22:06.53 | cld2 | can anyone tell me how /etc/X11/Xsession knows which wm to use? I dont see mention of my wm by name or of the /etc/alternatives/x-windows-manager. thanks. |
| 22:07.04 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: there is meta sends escape to enable if you want that (if so) |
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| 22:07.45 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn: It's not a big deal. I found something that works. I am using an xterm. Actually, I'm kinda wondering if this OpenBSD thing spawns any ttys, and if so, how to switch to them. |
| 22:07.52 | JordiGH | (Am I offtopic enough yet?) |
| 22:08.04 | justin | cld2: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 22:08.35 | h3sp4wn | JordiGH: XTerm*metaSendsEscape: 1 (in Xresources) thats all it is |
| 22:09.00 | cld2 | justin: thanks very much. now I feel stupid. |
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| 22:10.07 | GMouse | NFS help, anyone? |
| 22:10.18 | JordiGH | Ooh, ooh, me! |
| 22:10.18 | Doug_ | Is there anyone here with some experience with the windows based Debian installer from http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 22:10.19 | JordiGH | !anyone |
| 22:10.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 22:10.36 | GMouse | :-p |
| 22:10.38 | JordiGH | That goes for both of you. :-) |
| 22:10.40 | GMouse | Fine, then. |
| 22:10.48 | Doug_ | Sorry |
| 22:10.58 | GMouse | mount: podrick:/home/public/Music: can't read superblock |
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| 22:11.07 | GMouse | I keep getting that, and it's starting to irritate me. |
| 22:11.28 | Doug_ | Is there any way I can get a Netinst image for Debian Oldstable? |
| 22:11.59 | stew | Doug_: should be available from http://archive.debian.org |
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| 22:12.07 | Doug_ | Thank you |
| 22:12.25 | Doug_ | Will there be a copy of the initrd.gz file? |
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| 22:12.36 | penguin | when you build a computer the first component to add to the case is the power supply? |
| 22:12.45 | psycose | hi all |
| 22:12.55 | GMouse | penguin: Usually the motherboard should go in first. |
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| 22:13.16 | penguin | When does the power supply go in? |
| 22:13.19 | GMouse | penguin: Depending on your case, the power supply may or may not get in the way. |
| 22:13.32 | GMouse | But you can really put things into the case in any order. |
| 22:13.46 | GMouse | Just DON'T FORGET THE STANDOFFS |
| 22:13.51 | stew | i often put the power supply in and plug it in so that the chasis is grounded |
| 22:13.58 | psycose | is there any debian sparc64 user ? |
| 22:14.02 | penguin | standoffs? |
| 22:14.19 | JordiGH | psycose: I think so. Popcon must report some users. |
| 22:14.36 | GMouse | The little screws (usually) that go into the back of the computer case and that the motherboard screws into. |
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| 22:14.45 | cld2 | penguin: those little bits that keep the mobo from resting on the metal of the case. |
| 22:14.54 | penguin | I bought an Assus motherboard |
| 22:14.55 | Doug_ | What version of Debian is oldstable? 3.0? |
| 22:14.59 | Ronin | woody? |
| 22:15.03 | cld2 | penguin: they are goldish colored yeah? |
| 22:15.06 | Doug_ | Umm |
| 22:15.09 | Doug_ | What is stable? |
| 22:15.12 | Doug_ | sarge? |
| 22:15.15 | cld2 | sarge |
| 22:15.22 | penguin | Everything is sitting in the boxes still |
| 22:15.24 | stew | !release history |
| 22:15.24 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06). The next release will be Etch. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 22:15.33 | penguin | I never built a computer before |
| 22:15.34 | cld2 | but etch has been pretty stable for me ;) |
| 22:15.37 | signuts | Some I have a degraded RAID that i've recovered, and was trying to come up with a way to limit the speed at which I copy data off the raid. rsync has a bandwidth feature, but does it work on local disks? |
| 22:15.40 | Doug_ | Its woody, thank you |
| 22:15.56 | cld2 | penguin: #hardware is very helpful and tomshardware.com has bunches of "build a computer" howtos |
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| 22:16.10 | penguin | thanks |
| 22:16.26 | GMouse | So, does anyone know what's up with this? mount: podrick:/home/public/Music: can't read superblock |
| 22:16.36 | psycose | Well i got some problem trying to update my debian sparc64 etch with a recent weekly built, trying to know about user experience ... |
| 22:16.45 | signuts | GMouse, dmesg | tail, I bet your device is b0rked? |
| 22:17.33 | stew | podrick? what is that |
| 22:17.34 | GMouse | signuts: Don't see anything amiss there. |
| 22:17.41 | GMouse | My file-server. |
| 22:17.55 | stew | GMouse: what protocol is it? |
| 22:17.57 | GMouse | I use names from A Song of Ice and Fire |
| 22:18.00 | GMouse | stew: NFS |
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| 22:18.14 | signuts | AFAIK NFS doesn't have a super-block. lol |
| 22:18.16 | GMouse | stew: And samba for the windows boxes on the lan |
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| 22:18.35 | stew | GMouse: does "rpcinfo -p podrick" return a bunch of stuff or an error? |
| 22:19.26 | GMouse | stew: Bunch of stuff |
| 22:19.34 | Doug_ | Is there such thing as a Woody Netinst? |
| 22:19.36 | stew | GMouse: how are you trying to mount it? |
| 22:19.58 | GMouse | stew: I put a line into my fstab to handle it. The funny thing is, this USED to work. |
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| 22:20.26 | GMouse | stew: But the server kept going down (possible NIC problems) so I shut it down for a few days and ordered a new NIC. |
| 22:20.48 | GMouse | stew: Which went in today, but this problem suddenly appeared. |
| 22:21.06 | penguin | Is it mostly gamers that are building their own computers? |
| 22:21.19 | Thms | !nvidia |
| 22:21.20 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 22:21.48 | penguin | I would think this build your own fashion should help Linux. |
| 22:21.48 | stew | GMouse: what command are you using to mount it? |
| 22:21.56 | GMouse | stew: mount -a |
| 22:22.17 | stew | GMouse: can you paste the one line for podrick from fstab? |
| 22:22.22 | GMouse | certainly |
| 22:22.45 | GMouse | podrick:/home/public/Music /home/michael/Music nfs rw 0 0 |
| 22:23.50 | rpc | is cp -rR the proper syntax to recursively overwrite a directory structure with another? |
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| 22:24.04 | valdyn | rpc: no |
| 22:24.11 | rpc | valdyn hm |
| 22:24.22 | rpc | valdyn i need to replace older structure with newer one |
| 22:24.31 | valdyn | rpc: so delete the old one first |
| 22:24.34 | rpc | file by file and directory after dir |
| 22:24.37 | smacnay | how oes one make .deb packages with a source dir with a ./debian dir? |
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| 22:24.47 | rpc | valdyn not all files are to be removed |
| 22:25.00 | rpc | some don't exist at source and are still needed at dest. |
| 22:25.04 | valdyn | rpc: are you not telling us the both 'directory structures' are identical, except for the files in them? |
| 22:25.21 | rpc | i probably didn't make myself clear |
| 22:25.31 | rpc | source != dest, just some of it |
| 22:25.53 | s2211 | hi back. How to list files in archive? |
| 22:25.57 | rpc | so whenever there is a common file/dir replace it, if not leave it alone |
| 22:26.04 | s2211 | hi back. How to list files in tar archive? |
| 22:26.06 | rahul | s2211: uh, what kind of archive? |
| 22:26.07 | valdyn | rpc: ok then |
| 22:26.11 | rpc | how do i do this with cp? can't figure this out |
| 22:26.29 | crn | what is the name of latest linux kernel package? |
| 22:26.44 | rahul | s2211: man tar, look at "function letters" near the beginning |
| 22:26.44 | valdyn | rpc: cp -rR does it, why -r though? |
| 22:26.52 | rpc | recursive? |
| 22:27.11 | valdyn | rpc: sure, why both -r and -R |
| 22:27.27 | s2211 | rahul: give me a sample file.tar? |
| 22:27.32 | ole | how can I set up QoS an basic traffic priority shaping on a debian box working as a LAN firewall/proxy ? |
| 22:27.38 | rpc | hm |
| 22:27.38 | valdyn | rpc: -R is better for you i believe |
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| 22:27.43 | rpc | so just -R |
| 22:27.47 | rpc | ok, thank you, trying that |
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| 22:27.57 | valdyn | rpc: look up -a too |
| 22:27.59 | rahul | s2211: what? |
| 22:28.02 | GMouse | stew: Get that line? |
| 22:28.07 | rahul | s2211: you want me to give you a tarball? |
| 22:28.16 | GMouse | stew: Realized that I forgot to append your nick to it. |
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| 22:28.30 | valdyn | rpc: -a is to preserve everything |
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| 22:28.41 | DAddYE | hello world |
| 22:28.51 | DAddYE | in wich package I can find a2enmod |
| 22:28.52 | DAddYE | ? |
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| 22:28.58 | luis | Hello. I have Debian installed on my disk. How do I boot it off my Debian CD? I can't seem to find the appropriate magic in Google. ISTR I'd pass boot=/dev/hda1 somewhere but I'm not sure where. |
| 22:29.10 | Eulex | !tell DAddYE about search |
| 22:29.18 | rpc | valdyn it doesn't work |
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| 22:29.21 | DAddYE | Eulex: taanks |
| 22:29.28 | rpc | valdyn -R just returns to bash in 0.5s |
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| 22:29.41 | rpc | and this is where i got confused |
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| 22:29.52 | Eulex | DAddYE, for this job, apt-file would be the right tool |
| 22:29.53 | valdyn | rpc: use verbose |
| 22:30.01 | valdyn | rpc: -v |
| 22:30.09 | rpc | hm checking |
| 22:30.23 | DAddYE | yeppa |
| 22:30.59 | rpc | valdyn well it spits out some flood |
| 22:31.06 | rpc | but it didn't actually replace anything |
| 22:31.14 | valdyn | rpc: lies |
| 22:31.23 | valdyn | rpc: paste stuff you do not understand |
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| 22:31.31 | valdyn | rpc: -R will overwrite |
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| 22:32.12 | flaggy | hello, is there a tool for looking at the information of a certain package (the dependencies, description, etc)? |
| 22:32.27 | Thms | how can i check my direct rendering ? |
| 22:32.50 | valdyn | flaggy: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 22:32.51 | tp76 | Any idea how to prevent GNOME (2.14) to snap windows to screen edges and other windows? It's bloody annoying. |
| 22:32.57 | amphi | Thms: xdriinfp |
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| 22:33.03 | amphi | Thms: er, xdriinfo |
| 22:33.05 | flaggy | oh, thanks |
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| 22:33.58 | stew | GMouse: what happens if you run "mount -t nfs podrick:/home/public/Music /home/michael/Music" ? |
| 22:34.01 | Thms | amphi: libgl is too old |
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| 22:34.07 | zerod | I'll find out |
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| 22:34.53 | GMouse | stew: So far, a delay |
| 22:36.16 | tp76 | (or align windows to edges of other windows, whatever you call it). |
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| 22:36.55 | phantom_ | hi all |
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| 22:37.02 | phantom_ | I have a tbird question |
| 22:37.05 | mzilikazi | is there a /etc/cups/ssl/server.crt by default? i do not seem to have one and cups is complaining |
| 22:37.07 | alec | I have several users I want to be able to log as they run commands as a specific user. sudo and sudosh have almost everything I want except that I'd like all commands to be run under sudo without having to type "sudo command". Is there any way I can have bash prefix every command with sudo? I thought of making everything an alias with sudo prepended, but this doesn't cover invocations by absolute path. |
| 22:37.30 | phantom_ | when I get mail with URL links, and I click on them, I want them to open in firefox |
| 22:37.44 | phantom_ | but instead, thunderbird does nothing |
| 22:37.53 | GMouse | alec: Why not just have them su to that user? |
| 22:38.39 | phantom_ | this is with Firefox 2.0 and thunderbird 2.0 |
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| 22:39.16 | alec | GMouse: I have been asked to prevent them from running certain commands, and have done so through sudo. If they su to the user, sudo can't prevent them from running anything. |
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| 22:39.55 | Flimzy | Ugh. mksquashfs is pissing me off. |
| 22:40.03 | GMouse | alec: Just out of curiosity, but isn't "sudo" going to always make them run these commands as root? |
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| 22:40.26 | Supaplex | !test |
| 22:40.27 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:40.30 | Supaplex | !owner |
| 22:40.31 | dpkg | dondelelcaro owns me |
| 22:40.45 | DAddYE | sorry how I can enable colorization in VI ? |
| 22:40.54 | Supaplex | dondelelcaro: dpkg on freenode appears dead.. no apt, ravenbird or others either. |
| 22:41.05 | amphi | DAddYE: :syn on |
| 22:41.58 | DAddYE | thank |
| 22:42.01 | DAddYE | amphi: thanks |
| 22:42.17 | amphi | Supaplex: this is freenode ;) |
| 22:42.47 | DAddYE | amphi: nothing happne |
| 22:42.52 | DAddYE | nothing happen |
| 22:42.56 | Supaplex | oh. my irssi windows got all mixed around. grr :P |
| 22:43.08 | Supaplex | that's it, I'm fixing my theme. |
| 22:43.12 | amphi | Supaplex: heh |
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| 22:44.49 | rahul | !penixstrike xkb |
| 22:44.49 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking xkb to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 22:46.09 | stew | !test |
| 22:46.09 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 22:47.06 | valdyn | alec: can you paraphrase what you are really trying to do? |
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| 22:49.18 | pie_ | Help. I seem to need the postgres 8.0 packages as I have a database that was working with that version. I have no-idea what I have done (I was trying to install client-libraries for it) but I seem to have uninstalled postgres. Now I can't find postgres-8.0 debs! |
| 22:49.27 | pie_ | Anyone any ideas where I can get these? |
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| 22:50.12 | pie_ | Or how I get the 8.0 database to work with the 8.1 packages? |
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| 22:52.20 | GMouse | stew: Ok, after much delay, it gave me the same error that I had originally posted. |
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| 22:53.11 | stew | GMouse: checked the syslogs on both machines? |
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| 22:54.18 | GMouse | stew: Got something interesting here: mountd[2682]: authenticated mount request from 192.168.0.7:735 for /home/public/Music (/home/public) |
| 22:54.25 | GMouse | That's on the server, of course. |
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| 22:54.48 | GMouse | stew: This box ...doesn't have a syslog(?) |
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| 22:55.51 | anson | dpkg /msg ln |
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| 22:57.57 | apk | Is it common that with ati fglrx, if I try to run X on 2 vt's at once, the kernel hangs? |
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| 23:03.33 | valdyn | apk: no idea, similar bugs are common for both nvidia and fglrx |
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| 23:04.11 | MarkH_UK | hi all |
| 23:04.22 | Suprano | you're welcome here MarkH_UK ! |
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| 23:04.32 | MarkH_UK | I am having problems running bind9 on my machine when I try to use nslookup google.co.uk |
| 23:04.41 | MarkH_UK | its coming back with No Answer. |
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| 23:04.47 | MarkH_UK | anyone able to help? |
| 23:05.24 | stew | MarkH_UK: you are running nslookup on the machine running bind? |
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| 23:05.29 | MarkH_UK | stew, yea |
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| 23:05.33 | MarkH_UK | and it fails. |
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| 23:05.43 | supervillain | Anyone here uses Seahorse? |
| 23:05.50 | stew | MarkH_UK: what happens when you run "nslookup google.co.ck localhost" |
| 23:05.59 | cokeslut | you tell me ;) |
| 23:06.04 | MarkH_UK | *** Can't find google.co.ck: No answer |
| 23:06.07 | MarkH_UK | lol |
| 23:06.13 | Flimzy | /var/cache/man is the cache of pre-formatted man pages, right? it can be deleted without detriment to the system? |
| 23:06.27 | stew | MarkH_UK: check /var/log/daemon.log for errors starting bind, it sounds like its not running |
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| 23:06.47 | MarkH_UK | Feb 28 22:57:11 localhost named[4532]: zone |
| 23:06.48 | MarkH_UK | etc |
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| 23:07.34 | MarkH_UK | hmmm |
| 23:07.36 | MarkH_UK | No error |
| 23:07.40 | MarkH_UK | just shows it loading the zones. |
| 23:07.47 | supervillain | anyone here uses seahorse?, Is it possible for a user to sign/encrypt/decrypt a file in a different computer? because were implementing it a campus. |
| 23:07.56 | stew | MarkH_UK: does "netstat -plun | grep :53" return named processes? |
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| 23:08.04 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: try dig and dig +trace to see what it's doing |
| 23:08.14 | MarkH_UK | yes it returns procs |
| 23:08.26 | MarkH_UK | udp's |
| 23:08.35 | MarkH_UK | udp 0 0 195.62.11.33:53 0.0.0.0:* 4532/named |
| 23:08.48 | stew | MarkH_UK: does it also return one for 127.0.0.1? |
| 23:09.13 | GMouse | stew: Any idea what could be going wrong? |
| 23:09.18 | MarkH_UK | udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* 4532/named |
| 23:09.30 | stew | GMouse: nope, sorry |
| 23:09.38 | stew | GMouse: nfs version mismatch maybe? |
| 23:09.50 | stew | GMouse: can other machines mount this mountpoint? |
| 23:09.51 | GMouse | Shouldn't be.... |
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| 23:10.05 | GMouse | stew: This is the only other linux system on the network. |
| 23:10.13 | MarkH_UK | any other ideas stew? |
| 23:10.28 | stew | MarkH_UK: can you query any of the local zones successfully? |
| 23:10.44 | MarkH_UK | Non-authoritative answer: |
| 23:10.44 | MarkH_UK | *** Can't find localhost: No answer |
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| 23:11.01 | stew | MarkH_UK: is localhost a zone that your are loading? |
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| 23:11.17 | weggpod | hy |
| 23:11.31 | stew | GMouse: both client and server running debian? |
| 23:11.50 | weggpod | i have a little problem with openldap and pam_ldap |
| 23:12.04 | GMouse | stew: Client's Gentoo |
| 23:12.08 | weggpod | i have this error when i want change passwd for local user |
| 23:12.22 | weggpod | passwd: Authentication information cannot be recovered |
| 23:12.34 | MarkH_UK | zone "localhost" { |
| 23:12.34 | MarkH_UK | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.34 | MarkH_UK | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.34 | MarkH_UK | }; |
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| 23:12.42 | MarkH_UK | sry. |
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| 23:12.58 | MarkH_UK | but yes this did work on another box. |
| 23:13.12 | MarkH_UK | apt-get install bind reports it can't find bind in init.d folder |
| 23:13.16 | MarkH_UK | how could i fix that? |
| 23:13.17 | weggpod | i have this in my common-password |
| 23:13.19 | GMouse | stew: The only other change that I can think of is that I switched the client from Gnome to KDE, but that shouldn't be messing with CLI commands like mount |
| 23:13.21 | weggpod | password sufficient pam_ldap.so |
| 23:13.21 | weggpod | password required pam_unix.so nullok obscure min=4 max=8 md5 use_first_pass |
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| 23:13.44 | MarkH_UK | stew? |
| 23:14.07 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 23:14.08 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 23:14.21 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: ^^^ |
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| 23:15.11 | MarkH_UK | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst: line 113: /etc/init.d/bind: No such file or directory |
| 23:15.50 | kupesoft | Is there any way for DNSMasq to respond to a lookup differently for internal requests and external requests? |
| 23:15.58 | supervillain | anyone here uses seahorse?, Is it possible for a user to sign/encrypt/decrypt a file in a different computer? because were implementing it in a campus, sorry, there where nobody around in #seahorse. |
| 23:16.13 | MarkH_UK | valdyn ? |
| 23:16.20 | MarkH_UK | valdyn any idea? |
| 23:16.24 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: i told you |
| 23:16.27 | MarkH_UK | i did that |
| 23:16.31 | MarkH_UK | and thats what happened |
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| 23:17.52 | MarkH_UK | Ok |
| 23:17.55 | MarkH_UK | still the dns problem |
| 23:17.55 | MarkH_UK | :( |
| 23:18.20 | ZeeO | hey guys whats a good ftp server with Web Gui i have tryed proftpd-mysql and can't seem to get it to connect to the database |
| 23:18.21 | weggpod | Someone can help me? |
| 23:18.29 | freeone3000 | On Deb Unstable, how do I make 'hostname xxxx' stick on reboot? I added the line to my eth0 interface in /etc/network/interfaces, but it only shows up when the machine recognizes it as well. |
| 23:18.45 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: you ran apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install bind ? |
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| 23:18.54 | freeone3000 | ZeeO: ...Why would an FTP server need a web gui? You have FTP, don't you? |
| 23:19.08 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 23:19.09 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' |
| 23:19.21 | freeone3000 | FQDN? |
| 23:19.21 | ZeeO | well i'm seting up for a buddy he needs a easy way to make users |
| 23:19.24 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 23:19.35 | valdyn | !fqdn |
| 23:19.35 | dpkg | well, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 23:19.49 | freeone3000 | Thanks. |
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| 23:20.18 | MarkH_UK | valdyn fixed that but my dns still wont resolve non auth |
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| 23:20.28 | MarkH_UK | just keep getting... |
| 23:20.28 | MarkH_UK | *** Can't find google.co.uk: No answer |
| 23:20.39 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: dig +trace google.co.uk |
| 23:20.46 | outime | Hey guys, I'm happy with my new Etch installation |
| 23:21.00 | MarkH_UK | dig: Couldn't find server 'A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET': Name or service not known |
| 23:21.13 | outime | using kde-core, I have problems with sound, can't hear nothing |
| 23:21.17 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: you have no root zone? |
| 23:21.22 | freeone3000 | outime: Is alsa installed? |
| 23:21.26 | Visual_E | ZeeO, glftpd has windows based remote admin |
| 23:21.26 | MarkH_UK | Ok |
| 23:21.28 | MarkH_UK | How can i fix? |
| 23:21.29 | outime | I was searching on Google but don't get good results |
| 23:21.31 | outime | freeone3000: yeah |
| 23:21.36 | ZeeO | thx |
| 23:21.38 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: why is your bind config fucked? |
| 23:21.40 | ZeeO | visual |
| 23:21.45 | ZeeO | i will check it out |
| 23:21.47 | MarkH_UK | valdyn I dont know? |
| 23:21.48 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: i mean, someone must have deleted your root zone |
| 23:21.58 | MarkH_UK | ? |
| 23:22.05 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: files don't just vanish by nothing |
| 23:22.05 | outime | ALSA, gstreamer, and OSS |
| 23:22.15 | MarkH_UK | valdyn the zones are there |
| 23:22.19 | MarkH_UK | the ones we run |
| 23:22.28 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: that's not enough |
| 23:22.33 | MarkH_UK | so qwhat is needed? |
| 23:22.38 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: you need a root zone |
| 23:23.22 | MarkH_UK | where? |
| 23:23.45 | stew | MarkH_UK: debian puts it in /etc/bind/db.root |
| 23:24.06 | MarkH_UK | they're all listed in there? |
| 23:24.17 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: you have that file now if it was gone before you did the confmiss thing |
| 23:24.24 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: ls -l /etc/bind/db.root |
| 23:24.37 | stew | MarkH_UK: zone "." { type hint; file "/etc/bind/db.root";}; |
| 23:24.37 | MarkH_UK | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1507 Jan 25 2005 /etc/bind/db.root |
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| 23:25.12 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: try again after restarting bind |
| 23:25.13 | MarkH_UK | its already in there |
| 23:25.35 | MarkH_UK | and yes restarted bind. |
| 23:25.49 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: grep db.root /etc/bind/db.conf |
| 23:25.54 | poi | does anyone know if there is a faster way to delete large/complex folders besides the slow "rm -rf" way? |
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| 23:26.02 | MarkH_UK | grep: /etc/bind/db.conf: No such file or directory |
| 23:26.08 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: grep db.root /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 23:26.14 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: ^^^ |
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| 23:26.22 | MarkH_UK | file "/etc/bind/db.root"; |
| 23:26.24 | freeone3000 | poi: No. Turning off -v speeds it up greatly, though. |
| 23:27.23 | poi | freeone3000: I am trying to delete my firefox objdir and it takes like 30 mins and on my windows machine it takes 1 :S |
| 23:27.25 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: grep A.ROOT-SERVER /etc/bind/db.root |
| 23:27.35 | diago | having an issue. I have a web site up using apache2 and I can view it through my LAN pcs but yet no one can access it externally. I've set up port forwarding on my router and my iptables are empty...any idea what I forgot to do? |
| 23:28.06 | freeone3000 | Your firefox objdir is that screwed up? |
| 23:28.16 | freeone3000 | What FS are you using? |
| 23:28.21 | MarkH_UK | . 518400 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. |
| 23:28.22 | MarkH_UK | A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 3600000 IN A 198.41.0.4 |
| 23:28.51 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: looks fine |
| 23:28.57 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: no idea what's wrong now |
| 23:29.02 | MarkH_UK | :/ |
| 23:29.09 | poi | freeone3000: it has a lot of subfolders and files, ext3 |
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| 23:29.56 | ZeeO | Visual_E can you link me to the windows admin tool |
| 23:30.59 | efaistos | lee: |
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| 23:31.13 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: try dig @localhost whatever.com vs dig whatever.com |
| 23:31.16 | diago | anyone know? |
| 23:31.16 | ma3x | I keep setting 'hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc' but every time after I restart its back to 0 again |
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| 23:32.12 | valdyn | ma3x: vi /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 23:32.27 | MarkH_UK | valdyn it brings back a list of root servers? |
| 23:32.45 | apk | Why do I have a file "/..deb" ? |
| 23:32.50 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: no, i want to see if the first works |
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| 23:33.30 | MarkH_UK | pasting to pm |
| 23:33.52 | valdyn | !paste |
| 23:33.52 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:33.57 | tuvwx | what is the X startup file that i should use for commands i want run on logging in to X (xfce)? |
| 23:34.09 | MarkH_UK | ;google.com. IN A |
| 23:34.14 | apk | tuvwx: .xinitrc |
| 23:34.15 | ma3x | valdyn: why you using vi? I use pico. what advantages does vi offer? |
| 23:34.16 | MarkH_UK | thats what it showed |
| 23:34.28 | Archville | ma3x: lots. |
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| 23:34.34 | justin | vi? not much, vim, lots |
| 23:34.38 | Archville | But you should try the vim-tutor. |
| 23:34.57 | Archville | It's difficult to explain all the Vim features. |
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| 23:35.11 | Archville | Maybe if you apt-get cream, it would be a better look overall. |
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| 23:36.12 | MarkH_UK | valdyn any ideas? |
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| 23:36.26 | valdyn | MarkH_UK: what about @localhost ? |
| 23:36.39 | MarkH_UK | valdyn same |
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| 23:39.04 | solars | I'm using a 32bit chroot for opera, but the fonts are quite fuzzy, does anyone know how to correct this? |
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| 23:40.07 | tupa | anyone knows how to use a debugger that can help me?? |
| 23:40.16 | tupa | I'm having trouble debugging my app |
| 23:41.59 | freeone3000 | 'start' when it runs. 'continue' when it stops. 'bt full' when it crashes. Show it to someone who knows what they're doing. |
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| 23:45.31 | MarkH_UK | valdyn no idea?/ |
| 23:46.04 | karsten | tupa: There's a really good book from FSF on the topic. |
| 23:46.22 | tupa | karsten, what is called? |
| 23:46.30 | karsten | tupa: "Debugging with GDB" |
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| 23:52.10 | savvas | does grep -P work ok in debian? |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | okay? |
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| 23:52.54 | stew | savvas: no its not supported |
| 23:53.01 | abrotman | it's in the man page |
| 23:53.05 | stew | yes |
| 23:53.08 | stew | but its not supported |
| 23:53.10 | savvas | it's in the man page but it's not working |
| 23:53.18 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.18 | savvas | something about debian policies |
| 23:53.33 | savvas | alright thank you :) |
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| 23:54.03 | Kurt | Debian is FUCKED UP |
| 23:54.04 | savvas | because it's the same on ubuntu and i was wondering, cause some guy said it works on all linux/unix OS, heh |
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| 23:54.07 | Kurt | Debian is FUCKED UP |
| 23:54.13 | abrotman | Kurt: do you have problems ? |
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| 23:54.18 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:55.05 | savvas | they really love you here :p |
| 23:55.08 | karsten | abrotman: Apparently he's drunk. |
| 23:55.34 | abrotman | karsten: /whois |
| 23:55.46 | karsten | abrotman: Trying. |
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| 23:56.40 | ivan` | i didn't know this channel had ops |
| 23:56.53 | ivan` | wrong channel |
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| 23:56.57 | stew | well then /me stops trying to /msg kurt...:) |
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| 23:57.38 | abrotman | stew: why? |
| 23:57.56 | karsten | abrotman: Probably to sort what the issue was. Stew's a good op. |
| 23:58.15 | abrotman | karsten: maybe he's an angry developer :) |
| 23:58.19 | karsten | ... on his nose. |
| 23:58.40 | MarkH_UK | stew, any help for this dns issue? |
| 23:59.03 | savvas | stew: do you know why the -P option is still there? |
| 23:59.16 | savvas | i mean, in the manpages |
| 23:59.20 | stew | savvas: you mean, why is it in the manpage if it doesn't work? dunno |
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| 23:59.40 | stew | savvas: if i were curious, i'd "apt-get source grub" and see if there are comments in the code about it |
| 23:59.48 | stew | savvas: uhhh grep not grub |
| 23:59.53 | stew | abrotman: doesn't matter anymore |
| 23:59.59 | savvas | mmm ok thanks, big help :) |
